| 00:00.05 | Rockj | anyway, never played with - my phone is an android. |
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| 00:04.58 | Rockj | argh at mdadm. I tell it to create 4 active devices and zero spares, still it takes the last device as a sparedevice when creating the raid. meh |
| 00:06.27 | darkkrai | htc hd2 |
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| 00:07.33 | itchi | hi, in my awstats, i see many sites "so said" connecting to my site, but suspectiuos sites, and i'm sure they don't come from there to read my stupid stuff. What's that type of spam? |
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| 00:07.54 | cr0ss | When installing apache2/php5 by apt-get, does it have --enable-so flags on? |
| 00:07.55 | itchi | I'm tired of the .ua pppf retards... |
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| 00:09.01 | nsadmin | "it"? |
| 00:09.57 | nsadmin | anyway you can get the sources and look at debian/rules to see how configure is called |
| 00:09.59 | itchi | just gona fuck the whole .ua and .ru always the same stupid people wasting much time and resources, i'm tired of these. Is there a quick way to ban a country? I don't care about them anyway |
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| 00:11.07 | itchi | or should i just se in robots.txt to ignore awstats? |
| 00:11.12 | itchi | set* |
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| 00:11.43 | cr0ss | I know that if I do it by hand I can just add the flag, but I'm wondering if by defualt that flag is set. |
| 00:11.56 | nsadmin | anyway you can get the sources and look at debian/rules to see how configure is called |
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| 00:18.39 | chouchou | hello, can someone pls help creating a backup script for a web server ? |
| 00:19.06 | chouchou | a shell / bash script |
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| 00:21.20 | itchi | chouchou: You should do that of you own man, otherwise it could miss important stuff. Or use a good tool that back it up... |
| 00:21.48 | itchi | chouchou: Or just write a dump bash script which use tar |
| 00:21.52 | chouchou | itchi: can you pls explain? what tool ? |
| 00:22.07 | itchi | chouchou: There are many backup tools to backup your data, i use rsnapshot |
| 00:22.10 | chouchou | yes, something like that, and how to I restore it back |
| 00:22.29 | itchi | chouchou: Restoring depend on how you backed it up :) |
| 00:22.46 | itchi | and with what, tar, zip, or plain files |
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| 00:23.14 | darkkrai | all my usb devices are mounting as root, it's really pissing me off, tbh |
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| 00:55.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any cd images of debian sid? |
| 00:56.12 | dvs | no, sqeeze |
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| 00:58.29 | martinmike2 | does anybody here have experience with WebDAV? |
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| 01:03.12 | martinmike2 | guess not, ill try again some other time |
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| 01:08.19 | k[ipv6 | !findutils upgrade â -> !woo |
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| 01:33.16 | benji_ | Hi, how can I launch X application with sudo -u test xclock ? I am getting the error "Error: Can't open display: :0.0" |
| 01:33.40 | dvs | benji_: dont do it as root? |
| 01:33.49 | benji_ | dvs, I don't ... |
| 01:33.55 | jordanm | he isn't doing it as root, he is going it as "test" |
| 01:34.00 | jordanm | which makes it even more difficult |
| 01:34.47 | jordanm | benji_: what is the use case for this? |
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| 01:36.00 | benji_ | I have to run the same app with 2 different .bash_profile |
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| 01:36.39 | jordanm | benji_: source /path/to/different/.bash_profile xclock |
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| 01:37.05 | jordanm | benji_: you don't have to be a different user to use a different dotfile |
| 01:37.25 | jordanm | benji_: you can even start the shell with bash --norc to ensure your .bash_profile doesn't get sourced |
| 01:37.46 | jordanm | should have been a ";" in there.. |
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| 01:40.04 | benji_ | jordanm, thanks, very useful |
| 01:40.05 | emerson | how do I capture videos from youtube.. ? |
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| 01:41.12 | emerson | ? |
| 01:42.46 | emerson | how do I download videos from you tube I tryed to install youtube-dl but I couldn't |
| 01:45.19 | Dewi | emerson: this firefox/iceweasel extension works well in my experience http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Faddons.mozilla.org%2Ffirefox%2Faddon%2F3006&ei=mtXITMm5Nob8vQOr9o2WCQ&usg=AFQjCNF-LKcTG3QJQFdMvT8u1IxwqLzDpw&sig2=YVU4irCmB3jidSehkNy3ow |
| 01:45.43 | Dewi | ew, googlified link |
| 01:45.49 | Dewi | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006/ |
| 01:45.54 | emerson | Dewi: which extension ? |
| 01:46.07 | benji_ | could use ffmpeg |
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| 01:46.10 | Dewi | emerson: Video DownloadHelper |
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| 01:46.21 | Dewi | emerson: it's really good at detecting almost any flv embed |
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| 01:46.38 | emerson | Dewi: it's a plugin you mean ? |
| 01:47.24 | Dewi | emerson: sort of. Installs onto a firefox user profile |
| 01:47.52 | emerson | Dewi: right I go to firefox website then ? |
| 01:48.14 | Dewi | emerson: if you go to the link above in firefox you will be able to click 'install' |
| 01:48.23 | Dewi | sorry, iceweasel |
| 01:48.24 | Dewi | heh |
| 01:48.52 | emerson | Dewi: right I gonna try it . |
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| 01:51.41 | t3a | how do i change x setting in kde |
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| 01:51.56 | jordanm | what X settings? |
| 01:52.43 | black | t3a: you mean editing xorg.conf |
| 01:52.45 | black | ?? |
| 01:53.03 | t3a | teamviewer siad i need to... hold on |
| 01:53.32 | t3a | i need to change it to 24bpp |
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| 02:23.29 | thepro4ever | why is it that when i copy a symbolic link to a separate location it becomes a real file |
| 02:24.46 | dalias | because you should be using cp -a if you want it to make a new symbolic link |
| 02:24.54 | dalias | same thing applies for fifos, device nodes, etc |
| 02:25.25 | thepro4ever | well i did a copy of a symbolic link that points to another symbolic link to a separate location and it created a real file |
| 02:25.33 | thepro4ever | hmm |
| 02:25.34 | dalias | yes |
| 02:25.43 | dalias | cp by itself will always read from the source and write to the dest |
| 02:25.55 | dalias | cp -a is what you want for preserving non-ordinary-files |
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| 02:51.31 | mashihabong | i have problem trying to open port 3306. |
| 02:51.51 | mashihabong | is there anyone can help me with iptables? |
| 02:52.25 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: show us your iptables, and the what you tried to do |
| 02:53.02 | mashihabong | well when i execute iptables -L |
| 02:53.07 | mashihabong | i got something like this |
| 02:53.59 | mashihabong | only one line in INPUT: ACCEPT all -- 10.0.1.100 anywhere |
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| 02:55.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any lists of known commercial software thats available for debian? |
| 02:55.25 | Benny_ | I just rebooted after installing a kernel update, and X wouldn't start; turned out dkms hadn't bothered rebuilding the fglrx modules, is there something I should check to make sure dkms will work as expected in the future? |
| 02:55.44 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: what's the default policy? |
| 02:55.57 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: the full output pasted into a paste site would be much more useful. |
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| 02:56.51 | mashihabong | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/ND3KHyPr |
| 02:57.25 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: your default policy is accept, so the port is already open. |
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| 02:58.17 | mashihabong | well, it sounds like it but the port scanner shows otherwise. |
| 02:58.32 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: from where? using what packets? |
| 02:58.46 | martinmike2 | Anybody have experience with WebDAV? |
| 02:59.06 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: best to just ask your question |
| 02:59.26 | dondelelcaro | (and if that was the question, assume the answer is yes) |
| 02:59.28 | mashihabong | the Fuyu.local is a mac... i use network utility and this is what i get. |
| 02:59.30 | mashihabong | http://pastebin.com/CxGsFhEM |
| 02:59.57 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: then you don't have anything listening on that port, or whatever network utility that is isn't scanning that port |
| 03:00.17 | mashihabong | dondelelcaro: mysql is running... |
| 03:00.17 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: if you want to know specifically, nmap -sS -p3306 foohost; |
| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 03:00.24 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 03:00.37 | martinmike2 | im running Lenny with ISPconfig 3, have the DAV modules enabled and can log into a WebDAV enabled folder, however I cannot perform any functions on it |
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| 03:00.58 | dondelelcaro | mashihabong: you don't have mysql listening on 0.0.0.0; you have it listening on 127.0.0.1, or you don't have tcp enabled in mysql. |
| 03:01.28 | mashihabong | i c |
| 03:01.48 | mashihabong | dondelelcaro: i'll take a look at the config again. |
| 03:01.59 | martinmike2 | apache2 error log is showing Permission Denied, www-data owns the folder |
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| 03:02.23 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: presumably because you haven't specifically granted those permissions to the web dav via an access stanza |
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| 03:02.57 | dondelelcaro | err, Limit stanza, rather. |
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| 03:05.20 | mashihabong | dondelelcaro: it works now. :) |
| 03:05.21 | martinmike2 | dondelelcaro: want me to pm you the apache directives? |
| 03:05.43 | mashihabong | dondelelcaro: thanks you very much for your help. :) |
| 03:11.17 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: use a paste site |
| 03:11.32 | dondelelcaro | is doing lots of other stuff, and will disappear at any second |
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| 03:17.15 | martinmike2 | dondelelcaro: http://pastesite.com/19724 |
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| 03:22.12 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: and you're loging in as the zautools user? |
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| 03:23.17 | martinmike2 | yes |
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| 03:26.36 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: hrm; then it should be working. You're not geting a 401 unauthorized, right? |
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| 03:26.57 | martinmike2 | no, getting 403 |
| 03:27.26 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: hrm; what's the precise error log entry? |
| 03:29.33 | martinmike2 | [Wed Oct 27 19:16:20 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: Unable to create collection. [403, #0] |
| 03:31.37 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: hrm; and what's the output of stat /var/www/clients/client1/web1/web |
| 03:31.38 | cr0ss | Does anyone know which package Libmisc is part of? |
| 03:31.41 | cr0ss | Something to do with cpp? |
| 03:31.56 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: (specifically, the first access line) |
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| 03:32.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell cr0ss -about search |
| 03:32.17 | dondelelcaro | !find libmisc |
| 03:32.25 | martinmike2 | Access: (0710/drwx--x---) Uid: ( 5004/ web1) Gid: ( 5005/ client1) |
| 03:32.27 | cr0ss | wow... |
| 03:32.38 | cr0ss | ok, so I searched good |
| 03:32.44 | cr0ss | I searched apt-cache |
| 03:32.47 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: and the webserver isn't running as user 5004, I assume. |
| 03:32.51 | cr0ss | and now i'm asking cause I haven't found it |
| 03:32.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libmisc' (2): (/usr/lib/dia/{libmisc_objects.la|libmisc_objects.so}) in graphics/dia-libs ;; (/usr/lib/fsl/4.1/{libmiscmaths.so|libmiscpic.so|libmiscplot.so}) in non-free/science/fsl-4.1. |
| 03:32.59 | cr0ss | thanks for showing me a bot that doesn't answer anything:) |
| 03:33.03 | martinmike2 | www-data? |
| 03:33.20 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: reread the sentence starting with: The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): ... |
| 03:33.23 | martinmike2 | normal apache2 install |
| 03:33.41 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: that user isn't www-data. |
| 03:34.07 | cr0ss | I dunno meng |
| 03:34.08 | jordanm | cr0ss: you wanted to ask dpkg about apt-file, one of the links from the factoid dondelelcaro gave you |
| 03:34.08 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: so the webserver can't write to that directory. chown www-data /var/www/clients/client1/web1/web or something similar |
| 03:34.11 | cr0ss | Doesn't mean much |
| 03:34.39 | cr0ss | dpkg -S libmisc? |
| 03:34.39 | dpkg | You Fool! libmisc is installed! |
| 03:34.40 | jordanm | apt-cache search can be quite inferiour to a nice aptitude search as well, also mentioned by the factoid |
| 03:34.49 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: you asked about libmisc, which is a library which would be in a file starting with the name libmisc |
| 03:35.26 | cr0ss | Ok, so when you search libmisc* |
| 03:35.26 | jordanm | one day needs to figure out how his irssi spell-check plugin actually works |
| 03:35.31 | cr0ss | it comes back with nothing |
| 03:35.37 | cr0ss | well, garbage |
| 03:35.43 | jordanm | cr0ss: you used apt-file to search for that? |
| 03:35.43 | cr0ss | I don't need missioncontrol |
| 03:35.50 | cr0ss | apt-cache |
| 03:35.51 | martinmike2 | k, trying with Access: (0710/drwx--x---) Uid: ( 33/www-data) Gid: ( 5005/ client1) |
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| 03:36.11 | jordanm | cr0ss: you bothered to read the factoid and relevant links from it? |
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| 03:36.26 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: then we don't distribute a libmisc. |
| 03:36.37 | martinmike2 | that did it, thnx dondelelcaro, thought I had already set the chown to www-data, guess not |
| 03:36.44 | dondelelcaro | martinmike2: np |
| 03:37.24 | dondelelcaro | (not terribly surprising, considering that libmisc would be a horribly generic name for a library) |
| 03:37.32 | jordanm | cr0ss: we could search ourselves, and tell you the the package the lib is contained in, but that doesn't help you for next time you run into a similar situation |
| 03:37.35 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: we do |
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| 03:37.44 | cr0ss | *bangs head against desk* |
| 03:37.56 | cr0ss | n$ sudo apt-file update |
| 03:37.56 | cr0ss | Can't get http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 03:38.00 | jordanm | oh, maybe not, sorry, libmiscpic, similar name.. |
| 03:38.02 | cr0ss | There's reason to insanity. |
| 03:38.03 | cr0ss | haha |
| 03:38.09 | jordanm | cr0ss: thats normal, ignore it |
| 03:38.48 | cr0ss | ok, so that didn't help much either. |
| 03:38.52 | cr0ss | Still packs I don't need |
| 03:38.53 | cr0ss | haha |
| 03:38.56 | cr0ss | so... |
| 03:39.02 | blackshirt | :d |
| 03:39.05 | blackshirt | :) |
| 03:39.06 | cr0ss | I'mma just go out on a limb, and say you guys don't know |
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| 03:39.23 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: again, I said that we don't distribute a libmisc. |
| 03:39.36 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: what is this mythical library supposed to do? [And please stop overusing enter.] |
| 03:39.46 | cr0ss | error while loading shared libraries: libmisc.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:40.01 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: while starting what? |
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| 03:41.43 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this is something which is horribly ancient and should be linking against libpam_misc.so.0 |
| 03:41.57 | qq- | find opt/cell/sdk/usr/lib/libmisc.so ... but not from debian |
| 03:42.23 | cr0ss | It should be something to do with CPP. |
| 03:42.35 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: what are you trying to start? |
| 03:43.02 | cr0ss | a tracker |
| 03:43.15 | dondelelcaro | cr0ss: so recompile it. It's clearly not compiled properly |
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| 04:00.46 | iaindalton | I know I can use ~i in aptitude (command-line) to filter a search to only installed-packages, but is there an easy way to filter many search terms without prepending ~i to each one? |
| 04:02.38 | jordanm | iaindalton: what is an example search? |
| 04:03.14 | iaindalton | jordanm: I'm trying to print which of a list of packages are installed. The list is quite long. |
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| 04:03.47 | jordanm | iaindalton: I don't understand my aptitude search ~i does not accomplish this? |
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| 04:05.27 | iaindalton | E.g. the first three packages are alacarte, at-spi, & baobab, so I'd aptitude search ~ialacarte ~iat-spi ~ibaobab |
| 04:05.48 | iaindalton | I could furthermore pass a flag that makes it print just the package name |
| 04:06.44 | jordanm | iaindalton: I don't understand. you want the output of aptitude search ~i to be in a particular format? |
| 04:06.45 | iaindalton | The weird thing is the aptitude manual says space-delimited tokens are taken as AND, not OR |
| 04:06.58 | jordanm | or.. you are trying to check if package X is installed? |
| 04:07.10 | iaindalton | jordanm: no; I might change the formattting and I might not, but that's not what I'm asking how to do |
| 04:07.26 | iaindalton | trying to print only the packages in the list which are installed |
| 04:07.28 | jordanm | I don't understand what you are asking how to do |
| 04:07.53 | jordanm | initself: dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 04:09.53 | iaindalton | actually, aptitude + grep gives cleaner output; I was just curious about the aptitude search format |
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| 04:11.24 | jordanm | iaindalton: cleaner output? what I just gave you is *exactly* what you asked for |
| 04:11.37 | jordanm | so if that is not perfect, then you are not asking the right question |
| 04:11.59 | iaindalton | jordanm: it includes uninstalled packages |
| 04:12.32 | jordanm | iaindalton: dpkg -l | grep '^i' | awk '{print $2}' |
| 04:13.10 | jordanm | iaindalton: what is the purpose of this? something that should be using --get-selections? |
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| 04:14.37 | iaindalton | hmm, looks like that would do the same thing actually |
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| 04:15.03 | iaindalton | I am trying to figure out which of the default gnome packages I have installed |
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| 04:17.04 | jordanm | iaindalton: still not entirely clear. could be looking for apt-cache depends gnome; or apt-rdepends gnome |
| 04:17.16 | jordanm | iaindalton: what are you really trying to do> |
| 04:17.21 | _snowball | iaindalton, the wrong one, clearly. :P |
| 04:17.23 | jordanm | s/>/\?/ |
| 04:17.57 | jordanm | how can I see who has signed my gpg key? |
| 04:18.38 | jordanm | I am actually getting quite frustrated looking through documnetation and having a hell of time referencing this... |
| 04:19.48 | iaindalton | I'm not sure how to word my explanations; I thought I had done adequately above. But never mind, grep ^i does what I want |
| 04:20.15 | jordanm | iaindalton: what do you plan to do with the list? |
| 04:20.38 | jordanm | i suppose that was the real question I was trying to get out of you |
| 04:21.05 | jordanm | *note* cross-posting question about gpg to a more appropriate channel |
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| 04:21.47 | iaindalton | jordanm: trying to figure out what the first command on this page would remove: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce |
| 04:23.05 | jordanm | iaindalton: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:23.41 | _snowball | iaindalton, GNOME. |
| 04:23.49 | jordanm | _snowball: what? |
| 04:23.59 | _snowball | iaindalton, it would remove GNOME. |
| 04:24.06 | iaindalton | I'm running ubuntu, but I asked the question here because it was an aptitude question |
| 04:24.10 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 04:24.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 04:24.15 | peterrooney | Fuck. |
| 04:24.21 | jordanm | iaindalton: but you link documentation that doesn't apply to debian |
| 04:24.28 | _snowball | If you're afraid it would remove your gtk libraries, then it won't. Because xfce uses gtk as well. |
| 04:24.33 | peterrooney | Saw that one coming. Sorry for swearing. |
| 04:24.40 | jordanm | iaindalton: in debian, "aptitude remove gnome" would accomplish what that load of crap does |
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| 04:25.23 | peterrooney | iaindalton: as a general rule, we have no way of knowing what effect it would have on an ubuntu system. |
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| 04:25.50 | jordanm | iaindalton: they patch their higher level package managers. #debian is not appropriate for asking about that sort of thing |
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| 04:26.01 | iaindalton | I only wanted to know aptitude syntax |
| 04:26.12 | jordanm | iaindalton: you wanted ubuntu support |
| 04:26.27 | peterrooney | iaindalton: you would have to ask in #ubuntu for that |
| 04:27.34 | iaindalton | alright; I didn't know they patched package managers. I thought it was a general question, and people here tend to know more low-level stuff. Sorry for bothering you. |
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| 04:28.26 | peterrooney | iaindalton: no worries. it's so common an error we have a factoid for it. |
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| 04:30.13 | iaindalton | I'm considering switching; I have a few sid PPAs installed and it's a bother |
| 04:30.58 | peterrooney | !start a factoid war |
| 04:30.59 | dpkg | dondelcaro deletes the most 1337 gamp collections |
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| 05:49.43 | Tekk_ | I have a 64 bit cpu but I only have 1 GB RAM, is there any actual advantage to using the 64 bit version in this situation? |
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| 05:50.25 | SwedeMike | Tekk_: most unlikely. |
| 05:50.45 | SwedeMike | Tekk_: only reason I can think of is if you want to migrate the installation to a more powerful machine in the future |
| 05:50.52 | _snowball | Tekk_, if you like headaches. |
| 05:51.23 | SwedeMike | otoh 64bit works quite well for server applications, it's mostly the desktop stuff that has problems. |
| 05:51.25 | Tekk_ | SwedeMike: okay, I was looking at(of all pages) the freebsd site and saw that under the supported x64 arches was my cpu so I checked and it was |
| 05:51.53 | SwedeMike | Tekk_: yes, amd64 is supported on most modern CPUs from both intel and amd |
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| 05:52.16 | Tekk_ | thanks |
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| 06:27.40 | deStone | i'm needing to run an app that is in the chroot jail |
| 06:27.51 | deStone | this is php cli btw |
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| 06:52.19 | Nai-ux | i hav put lenny on a server and it's only seeing 3.5gb ram out of 6, i read about the bigmem kernel package, is that a whole new kernel? and will kernel headers that i have still work? |
| 06:52.39 | Nai-ux | eg: if i need to build a module |
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| 06:54.07 | Nai-ux | or might these two items in apt sort me out.. linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
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| 07:00.03 | xyan | Nai-ux: yes install it from apt, the -bigmem series have the 64gb and pae options enabled.. if your system supports pae you will see all the ram |
| 07:00.18 | Nai-ux | xyan: thx |
| 07:00.22 | xyan | Nai-ux: keep in mind that 64bit will perform better in certain situations though |
| 07:01.37 | Nai-ux | there is no x86_64 debian lenny tho right? |
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| 07:05.56 | f8l | Nai-ux: There is. Look for amd64. |
| 07:07.24 | Nai-ux | f8l: thanks, i thought by the name it would be for amd cpus not intel |
| 07:08.02 | f8l | Nai-ux: This is a common mistake. ;-) |
| 07:09.42 | Nai-ux | f8l: do you know if vmware modules will compile under 64bit? |
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| 07:13.03 | f8l | Nai-ux: There should be no problems with this, but I cannot tell for sure. |
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| 07:14.52 | Nai-ux | thx il try it, if no workies will go to 32bit |
| 07:14.58 | Nai-ux | got to go |
| 07:15.00 | gnude1 | hello i want to install an mailserver with debian and need help with the exim configuraton... |
| 07:15.05 | gnude1 | can somebody help me? |
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| 07:15.17 | xyan | !ask |
| 07:15.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:16.14 | xyan | other than that the config templates are very well documented |
| 07:16.21 | gnude1 | ok. the mailserver gets the mail from the clients, and shoud send them to the next smarthost. receiving is not the problem. but every user has at the next smarthost in the internet an own email account. so the username and password must be used |
| 07:16.39 | gnude1 | i edit the passwd.client file and add here the ip adress and the unsernames and passwords. |
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| 07:17.29 | gnude1 | the first user can send and emails. because it is the first entry in the file. but the other users get an error becaude exim try only the firxt entry and to the username and password is not the right for this email adresses |
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| 07:17.45 | gnude1 | how can i configure exim to use the usernames and passwords from the clients? |
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| 07:19.42 | Bushmills | gnude1: if that's any help - i did away with smtp authentication completely, by using a vpn to the smtp server, and telling it that vpn subnet belongs to mynetworks, allowing relaying (sending) without authentication. auth is now done through allowing vpn connection. |
| 07:21.23 | gnude1 | sounds dificult |
| 07:21.34 | gnude1 | this is my first mailserver.... |
| 07:21.52 | Bushmills | actually makes things easier, as authentication is now in one single access method |
| 07:21.54 | gnude1 | the smarthost with the different mailboxes is in the internet, the mailserver should be part of the local network... |
| 07:23.49 | gnude1 | well i dont realy understand, what you mean. but... in your solution, when there is no internet connection. you cannot send internal emails, right? |
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| 07:25.04 | xyan | shouldnt it be enough then to enable relay_from_host on the internet mailserver, allowing the public ip of your private networks mailserver and setting it up to accept mails from the lan only? |
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| 07:26.17 | Bushmills | gnude1: in my case, there is no internal mail, because the clients are not in the same subnet |
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| 07:26.44 | gnude1 | bushmills: ok. then this is different to me. |
| 07:27.43 | gnude1 | is it not possible to say to exim: use the incoming autentification for the next mail-server ? |
| 07:29.05 | Bushmills | why do individual users need to authenticate on the "next" mail server at all - they did so already on your smtp server in the LAN |
| 07:29.30 | Bushmills | can't you assume that mail from that server is already authenticated? |
| 07:30.18 | gnude1 | no... the situation is at the moment as it is. |
| 07:30.29 | gnude1 | i must find an solution for this ..... :-( |
| 07:30.53 | Bushmills | there's a hack, called pop-before-smtp |
| 07:31.47 | Bushmills | but that'd assume that users relay their mail directly through the smtp server connected to internet |
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| 07:37.40 | gnude1 | please look here: http://www.linuxer.onlinehome.de/apps/exim.htm chapter 11, is there any solution, that i can use? |
| 07:39.50 | gnude1 | maybe an entry in passwd.client like this: |
| 07:39.51 | gnude1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.42 | dokma | anyone knows what would be a good chan to get help with port forwarding on a router? |
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| 07:55.06 | rww | dokma: ##networking, perhaps? |
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| 07:55.51 | xtom | dokma: i'd say it depends on the brand. any cisco chan for a cisco router e.g. |
| 07:55.54 | Freechode_H8s | USE NIGGER LINUX |
| 07:55.54 | Freechode_H8s | (ubuntu) |
| 07:55.54 | Freechode_H8s | PROBLEM SOLVED |
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| 07:56.06 | Freechode_H8s | cysqo |
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| 07:56.13 | Freechode_H8s | nigger drank |
| 07:56.15 | dokma | anyone knows what would be a good chan to get help with port forwarding on a router? |
| 07:56.21 | Freechode_H8s | imma tip n sip |
| 07:56.26 | Freechode_H8s | grip muh dik |
| 07:57.24 | Freechode_H8s | Injizzed |
| 07:57.30 | rww | !ops Freechode_H8s |
| 07:57.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: rww complains about: Freechode_H8s |
| 07:57.48 | Freechode_H8s | 8A |
| 07:58.25 | KayAteChef | my debian box isn't detecting usb storage devices but when i boot another distro on the machine I am able to detect and mount usb storage devices |
| 07:58.44 | blip2 | KayAteChef: do you mean detect or mount? |
| 07:58.48 | Freechode_H8s | !ops rww |
| 07:58.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: freechode_h8s complains about: rww |
| 07:58.49 | Freechode_H8s | !ops bob2 |
| 07:58.49 | Freechode_H8s | !ops muh dik |
| 07:58.55 | KayAteChef | fdisk -l yields nothing |
| 07:58.56 | blip2 | and what does lsusb say when you plug it in? |
| 07:59.21 | KayAteChef | I didn't try lsusb |
| 07:59.25 | Freechode_H8s | use ubuntu |
| 07:59.35 | KayAteChef | i'll reboot that achine |
| 07:59.40 | blip2 | KayAteChef: no need |
| 08:00.00 | blip2 | debian doesn't auto-mount usb drives |
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| 08:00.42 | KayAteChef | well I was hoping to mount /dev/sdc1 /media/dir |
| 08:00.52 | KayAteChef | but /dev/sdc isn't there |
| 08:01.15 | blip2 | apt-get install usbmount |
| 08:01.37 | KayAteChef | I'll give it a crack ;) |
| 08:01.42 | blip2 | hmm what does lsusb output? |
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| 08:02.03 | KayAteChef | it's booting... |
| 08:02.21 | Freechode_H8s | nazi ^ |
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| 08:03.58 | KayAteChef | ok lsusb shows the western digital usb hard drive |
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| 08:04.41 | Freechode_H8s | slip my drive into ur ass |
| 08:04.42 | Freechode_H8s | hotplug it bb |
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| 08:05.53 | AIDSisalie | but Ill still give it to you |
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| 08:06.10 | KayAteChef | hmm I just rebooted with the device plugged in and I just mounted it |
| 08:06.28 | KayAteChef | mkdir dir |
| 08:06.37 | KayAteChef | mount /dev/sdc1 dir |
| 08:06.41 | KayAteChef | worked |
| 08:06.50 | blip2 | *shrug* |
| 08:06.55 | KayAteChef | thanks |
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| 08:27.46 | dokma | hey guyz, I'm having a hard time setting up my lamp debug environment on my debian latop |
| 08:27.59 | dokma | I can't get through to the port 9000 on my laptop |
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| 08:28.16 | dokma | I forwarded port 9000 on router but can't get a connection from outside |
| 08:28.29 | dokma | when I do the same with port 22 I can ssh into the laptop |
| 08:28.55 | dokma | I can telnet from the laptop itself to port 9000 and get a connection |
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| 08:29.05 | dokma | so I guess that the router is the issue here... |
| 08:29.26 | joltcan | dokma: port 9000 to 80 on the laptop? |
| 08:29.58 | joltcan | dokma: and are you sure apache is running on that port? (netstat -anp|grep :80) |
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| 08:39.27 | KKKlanMan | sup subhuman filth |
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| 08:40.02 | anirudhr | Thanks themill |
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| 08:42.43 | ffrank | hi. i wrote a simple shell script owned by root and did chmod u+s on it. i can run it as a user, but it won't give root privs. what am i missing? the fs is not mounted nosuid. |
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| 08:45.08 | petemc | ffrank: you cant make shell scripts suid |
| 08:45.55 | ffrank | petemc: ah, i just noticed. weirder still: when i copy bash to a user's home and chmod u+s, the user isn't root either when he runs ~/bash |
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| 08:53.38 | ttiicc | where could a find all the program which are part of the Gnome Desktop environment, forexample gedit and so on! I have been wisiting their official site but couldn't find anything there |
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| 08:56.02 | mark22 | ttiicc: maybe http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnome/gnome and the depends/recommends gave an idea |
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| 09:04.23 | Hick0rd | Hello, I am wondering Is there any utility for coredumps ? |
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| 09:07.01 | SPF | Hick0rd: kill -3 |
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| 09:08.17 | antgel | i just installed blootbot in squeeze, but karma doesn't work. any clue? |
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| 09:08.47 | antgel | also, i forgot how to send a message to somebody who's not currently on teh channel, when they *do* login they get the message |
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| 09:08.48 | Hick0rd | SPF? |
| 09:09.02 | rww | antgel: memoserv? |
| 09:09.17 | antgel | rww: ah, it's not a blootbot thing? |
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| 09:09.42 | rww | oh, you meant a specific blootbot thing? no idea, then. |
| 09:10.02 | antgel | rww: no, you cloud be right, i assumed it was a bot thing |
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| 09:11.18 | SPF | Hick0rd: with kill -3 you can make a dump of the memory of a process |
| 09:12.01 | |majortombelgium | hello, I have a question: when I build a kernel with "make-kpkg --initrd buildpackage", I do not get a linux-kbuild...deb package. How do I generate such a package? I'm on squeeze |
| 09:12.04 | Hick0rd | I have a file called core.19666, and just wanna open it to check it out. |
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| 09:14.01 | dondelelcaro | Hick0rd: so run gdb on it |
| 09:14.26 | Hick0rd | dondelelcaro, how to open it with gdb ? |
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| 09:14.54 | dondelelcaro | Hick0rd: gdb -c core /path/to/executable |
| 09:15.17 | dondelelcaro | Hick0rd: man gdb; and info gdb; for details |
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| 09:16.35 | SPF | don't you need to include gdb while compiling your program to be able to read the dump? Or is this for step execution only? |
| 09:16.46 | angel-tsankov | wonders how to see to which package a file belongs |
| 09:16.48 | dondelelcaro | SPF: nope |
| 09:16.56 | dondelelcaro | angel-tsankov: dpkg -S path/to/file |
| 09:17.03 | dondelelcaro | angel-tsankov: or use apt-file |
| 09:17.35 | dondelelcaro | SPF: it certainly helps if you haven't stripped the executable, or have the debugging information available, but it's not necessary |
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| 09:18.42 | angel-tsankov | thanks to dondelelcaro |
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| 09:21.07 | Hick0rd | dondelelcaro, that's it http://pastebin.com/TYDJnsSU |
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| 09:24.19 | dokma | hey guyz I forgot what does */15 * notation in crontab does |
| 09:24.25 | dokma | is it every 15 minutes? |
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| 09:27.32 | dunpeal | Hi. With apt-cache, how do I limit my search to packages installed on the machine? |
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| 09:28.15 | Ox1 | dpkg -l |
| 09:28.16 | dpkg | Ox1: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:28.33 | Ox1 | no =/ bad bot |
| 09:29.04 | rww | dokma: yes |
| 09:29.12 | blip2 | anyone have any experience with sungem network cards under debian? |
| 09:31.11 | tomodachi | Dunedan: as Px1 said, use dpk -l |
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| 09:38.55 | twager | I am currently running a debian.img file on a usb stick..Is there a way to create a persist file so as to save my changes ? |
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| 09:42.59 | |majortombelgium | twager: you need to look at the live-build project |
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| 09:43.17 | rabby_ | hi |
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| 09:48.03 | krushik | how can i find deb's package build options? |
| 09:48.27 | babilen | krushik: in debian/rules (within the source package) |
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| 09:51.25 | inetd50 | hi, i just patched urxvt to have 256 colors, but now my copy/paste doesnt work :( |
| 09:51.36 | inetd50 | across xterm to urxvt for example |
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| 10:04.45 | wrksx | have you ever used checkinstall ? does this work good ? |
| 10:07.11 | babilen | wrksx: I use stow (/msg dpkg stow) and am very happy with it. I therefore haven't had the urge to try checkinstall, but it might be a good tool as well. |
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| 10:08.18 | wrksx | babilen, ok thanks |
| 10:09.08 | babilen | wrksx: Let me know if you try both |
| 10:09.57 | wrksx | babilen, i don't know wich one to try but dpkg told me stow only manage /usr/local |
| 10:10.26 | wrksx | babilen, so if my make install sends files another place it's useless |
| 10:10.42 | wrksx | babilen, if I understood dpkg's msg. |
| 10:11.11 | wrksx | babilen, so I feel in the mood for tryin checkinstall, but i'll read about it before that. |
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| 10:13.24 | babilen | wrksx: The point is that you can actually install almost everyhting to /usr/local, which is exactly what I am using it for. If you have different needs use checkinstall :) |
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| 10:14.43 | wrksx | babilen, I'll try checkinstall since i like the fact it creates a package. thank you. |
| 10:14.59 | babilen | have fun |
| 10:15.11 | obengdako | guys what is the difference between this debian channel on debian.org and the one on freenode? |
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| 10:16.07 | jelly | this one is older, larger and uncut |
| 10:16.27 | jelly | the oftc/debian.org one is officially official |
| 10:18.04 | wrksx | jelly, what means uncut ? |
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| 10:19.05 | terang | I find more technicaly help on OFTC; specifically because there's a lot more specialized channels =) |
| 10:19.13 | terang | er technical* |
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| 10:20.46 | babilen | obengdako: Most regulars hang out in both channels (a few don't) and there are a bunch of specialised channels on OFTC as it is the official IRC network for Debian. #debian is more active on Freenode though |
| 10:21.32 | obengdako | thanks babilen fot the info |
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| 10:23.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | obengdako: and you are on freenode atm :p |
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| 10:25.00 | obengdako | Kamping_Kaiser, what is freenode atm :p? sorry i don't understand question |
| 10:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | obengdako: you are chatting in Freenode/#debian . here. |
| 10:25.41 | obengdako | yep |
| 10:26.49 | obengdako | Kamping_Kaiser, yep |
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| 10:30.54 | wrksx | why does apache puts conf files in /etc/apache while some use /usr/local/etc ? |
| 10:31.18 | tomodachi | usr/local is usually for stuff you compile your self.. |
| 10:31.35 | wrksx | a ok I understand |
| 10:31.38 | itchi | Yeah, since the bad shit of the Freenode owner... i just stay here guys |
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| 10:32.19 | tomodachi | if i was you |
| 10:32.31 | tomodachi | i would use the apache provided by the debian repository |
| 10:32.41 | tomodachi | unless you have very specific needs and know what you are doing |
| 10:33.04 | wrksx | tomodachi, I'm using |
| 10:33.37 | wrksx | it |
| 10:33.40 | itchi | yah, rip lilo, the best passe away first pfff |
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| 10:36.46 | ov3rmind | nice morning |
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| 10:37.49 | ilor | hi, I'm looking for a (gnome) screensaver that shows cpu and memory usage. Does anyone know something like it? |
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| 10:38.23 | redguy | hi, I've got a question concerning ext3 dir_index feature. Does one have to maintain the index by running e2fsck -Df on the filesystem to maintain optimal performacne? |
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| 10:40.06 | babilen | redguy: I don't think so and would be surprised if that would be the case. |
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| 10:41.51 | babilen | redguy: (although it might still be the case) |
| 10:42.26 | redguy | babilen: well, that seems silly to me too, but the manpage states: "Optimize directories in filesystem. This option causes e2fsck to try to optimize all directories, either by reindexing them if the filesystem supports directory indexing, or by sorting and compressing directories for smaller directories" |
| 10:42.56 | redguy | "reindexing them" suggests that one might want to re-run e2fsck -D from time to time |
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| 10:43.12 | BenLue | Salut together |
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| 10:45.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | redguy: eg, on ext2 |
| 10:46.08 | BenLue | I have install pptpd. I can join local, but when i will join over DynDNS i become Error 807. Portfowarding is active, Google says my networkt is instable. Can anyone help help? |
| 10:47.24 | redguy | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure I understand you - are you implying that on ext2 one might want to run e2fsck -D on a regular basis, but not on ext3? |
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| 10:49.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | redguy: yes (note i haven't dealt with ext2 enough to have tried it) |
| 10:49.39 | babilen | redguy: I would think that *all* directories created *after* you turn on dir_index are automagically indexed, but you might want to index directories created *before* that with "e2fsck -Df" ... But I haven't yet found official information on that yet :-\ |
| 10:50.11 | Trewas | redguy: that man-page implies that indexes are used, but they might not be optimal without running that e2fsck command... just like the filesystem overall is not overall "optimal" unless you defragment it from time to time |
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| 10:51.49 | babilen | defragment ext3? (I am not aware of any tool to achieve that for ext3) |
| 10:52.19 | redguy | Trewas: that's what I was thinking, thanks for confirmation |
| 10:52.19 | tarzeau | i'd suggest to use xfs instead of ext2 or 3 |
| 10:52.55 | redguy | tarzeau: even for directories containing 30k+ files ? |
| 10:53.02 | tarzeau | redguy: especially then |
| 10:53.19 | tarzeau | redguy: haha 30k+ files, you think that's much? |
| 10:53.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | it is a lot. doesn't matter if you have more |
| 10:53.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | (for *a directory*) |
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| 10:54.00 | redguy | tarzeau: it was much for ext3 without dir_index :-) |
| 10:54.21 | tarzeau | i also prefer xfs over ext4 |
| 10:55.06 | babilen | waits for btrfs/zfs ;) |
| 10:55.29 | redguy | babilen: well, not tool I know of can defragment ext3, but You might copy all the data of an ext3 filelsytem, mkfs -t ext3 and copy them back. Poor man's defrag :-) |
| 10:55.39 | tarzeau | i just like classics like ufs,xfs and fat (camera) and support on osx,linux,windows |
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| 11:01.33 | cVsup | somebody can help with heartbeat and drbd? I have raw partition in drbd and i like that partition is enable in haresource |
| 11:02.13 | cVsup | node drbddisk Filesystem::/dev/drbd1 |
| 11:02.19 | cVsup | its correct? |
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| 11:39.15 | nothingmuch | apt-{get,cache} etc started segfaulting today |
| 11:39.19 | nothingmuch | is there any hope of even saving this VM image? |
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| 11:48.01 | coolguy4 | hi, what do I need to read and learn to be able to run sudo aptitude upgrade with confidence? I want to understand what obsolete packages are and why they are removed. I also want to understand the risks involved with upgrading packages... I'm using Debian Squeeze. |
| 11:48.37 | thiana | Has anyone seen a debian specific backup script/program? ie, one that excludes files which can be obtained by reinstalling packages. |
| 11:49.15 | abrotman | coolguy4: you want to learn about sudo or about aptitude ? |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | thiana: you want to check the files against the package hash list? and backup only those that have changed (plus /etc/ conf and /var/ data obviously) ? |
| 11:50.18 | thiana | abrotman: Essentially yes. |
| 11:50.24 | coolguy4 | abrotman: aptitude :) |
| 11:50.58 | abrotman | coolguy4: the aptitude man page is a good start .. the aptitude manual is more comprehensive |
| 11:51.15 | coolguy4 | abrotman: I seem to think that after I do an aptitude update, I should be reviewing the proposed changes with a discerning eye |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | thiana: there's a program called debsums .. but it doesn't exactly run fast |
| 11:51.25 | abrotman | coolguy4: apt-listbugs perhaps? |
| 11:51.28 | cast | i note my /etc is <7MB, i wouldn't waste time trying to selectively back it up, /var is going to be almost entirely non-packaged files |
| 11:51.41 | abrotman | coolguy4: also see 'aptitude changelog pkgname' |
| 11:52.06 | abrotman | cast: but does your /var/ contain files you actually want backed up? |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | or is it just logs and stuff tht would be rebuilt upon reinstall anyway? |
| 11:52.29 | cast | cast: i don't, but thiana seems to |
| 11:52.33 | abrotman | (remember that postgreql/mysql store their DB info in there) |
| 11:53.19 | frikinz | coolguy4: you could also run aptitude without parameter and then u to update, U to upgrade and see the proposed changes, the splitted window might help you. You can then go in menu action and tell aptitude to clear pending actions to cancel your Upgrade request to back to where yu started |
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| 11:53.42 | abrotman | frikinz: i think he's asking to see why the package is being updated |
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| 11:54.27 | coolguy4 | abrotman: can I ask what you personally do to keep your system updated? Do you just run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade regularly and hope that nothing breaks or what? |
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| 11:54.46 | coolguy4 | I'm mainly wondering what good practice is in terms of upgrading packages |
| 11:55.02 | frikinz | depends if it's your own computer or a prod server.. |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | coolguy4: depends on the system in question .. servers don't get the same treatment as my home laptop |
| 11:55.25 | coolguy4 | It's my own computer, but I care about stability |
| 11:55.59 | coolguy4 | but I guess what you're saying is you either read the changelogs or you don't? |
| 11:56.06 | cast | then you should probably not run debian testing :P |
| 11:56.30 | coolguy4 | cast: probably, but I heard squeeze had been frozen so I thought why not? Plus lenny is quite outdated now. |
| 11:57.02 | abrotman | thiana: no need to msg me, you can talk here |
| 11:57.03 | cast | reads "Plus lenny is quite stable now." |
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| 11:57.45 | abrotman | coolguy4: right, if you really care, you read the changelogs, and the BTS, etc .. otherwise, you just take it as the gospel that the maintainer isn't a moron and isn't going to hose your system :) |
| 11:58.42 | coolguy4 | abrotman: heh. Ok. Another question, sorry this is probably spelled out in the man, but why do packages become obsolete and is it really safe to allow aptitude to remove obsolete packages during an upgrade? |
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| 11:59.45 | abrotman | coolguy4: in general yes .. they've likely been superceded by something else that is to be installed |
| 11:59.49 | Xanbreon | How would someone go about having something automatically check the size of a file on startup (.xsession-errors), and if its above, lets say, 100megs, rm it? |
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| 12:01.06 | cast | Xanbreon: with find |
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| 12:02.24 | coolguy4 | abrotman: on your laptop, do you use full-upgrade or safe-upgrade? (regularly) |
| 12:02.25 | Xanbreon | cast: cheers, anymore hints before i go faq/man diving? |
| 12:02.49 | cast | i suggest testing, but something like find . -size +100M -delete |
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| 12:03.25 | cast | feel free to accidently wipe all your files based on commands pasted from strangers on irc ;P |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | coolguy4: full-upgrade .. but i've been using Debian longer than you :) |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | !tell rhct about root |
| 12:03.35 | coolguy4 | heh |
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| 12:03.45 | abrotman | coolguy4: let me rephrase .. *a lot* longer than you |
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| 12:03.51 | Xanbreon | cast: sounds like a plan ;) Thanks a lot |
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| 12:04.13 | coolguy4 | abrotman: so if something breaks, you figure out which was the offending package and you downgrade it? |
| 12:04.58 | abrotman | coolguy4: or i just fix it .. i don't generally downgrade unless it's severe |
| 12:05.13 | abrotman | rhct: you cannot speak in this channel as root .. no one should IRC as root |
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| 12:08.09 | cast | to play the devils advocate, most people on IRC are root [well, the windows equiv'] |
| 12:09.17 | abrotman | you don't know that .. but whatever ... |
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| 12:19.06 | everardo_rs | hola |
| 12:19.16 | everardo_rs | alguien en linea |
| 12:19.28 | babilen | !es |
| 12:19.28 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 12:19.44 | everardo_rs | thanks |
| 12:19.52 | babilen | everardo_rs: Or speak English in here if you prefer that :) |
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| 12:25.44 | coolguy4 | what is actually the difference between full-upgrade and safe-upgrade? Maybe I'm missing something but the man just says that full is less conservative. |
| 12:26.07 | SpiceMan | I'm trying to configure a nginx+php(fcgi) thingy here, and it's all good but php doesn't have sqlite (even though php5-common and php5-sqlite are installed, and both sqlite.ini and pdo_sqlite.ini are present in /etc/php5/conf.d) |
| 12:26.11 | SpiceMan | what am I missing? |
| 12:26.58 | babilen | coolguy4: full-upgrade allows for more actions (e.g. removal of packages) than safe-upgrade |
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| 12:28.32 | coolguy4 | babilen: safe-upgrade removed Automatically installed packages if they are unused. What does full-upgrade remove? |
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| 12:29.32 | babilen | coolguy4: think about it (and consider why/when aptitude removes automatically installed packages) ;) |
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| 12:31.58 | coolguy4 | Automatically installed packages are removed when the packages that depend on them have been removed... that's as far as my thoughts can take me :) |
| 12:32.44 | themill | coolguy4: it's not uncommon for you to need to remove packages as part of an upgrade (renamed packages, conflicting packages etc). safe-upgrade will typically refuse to do so. |
| 12:32.57 | everardo_rs_ | question, which version for pavilion dv 6000 |
| 12:33.20 | everardo_rs_ | tengo la i386 pero marca error |
| 12:33.32 | everardo_rs_ | I have the i386 but it makes error |
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| 12:34.18 | everardo_rs_ | question, which version for pavilion dv 6000 |
| 12:34.23 | SpiceMan | everardo_rs_: be less vague? |
| 12:34.23 | everardo_rs_ | I have the i386 but it makes error |
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| 12:35.42 | coolguy4 | themill: ah, well that sounds like safe-upgrade could cause more problems, because it could leave packages installed that are now duplicated by renamed packages. It also suggests that if a new conflicting package has been installed, then it leaves the conflict in place? Or does it refuse to add a new package that causes a conflict? |
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| 12:36.04 | everardo_rs_ | pavilion dv 6000 intel core 2 duo, 4 gb de ram, tarjeta nvidia, |
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| 12:37.07 | SpiceMan | everardo_rs_: the actual error message would get you more replies than all you're saying |
| 12:37.32 | babilen | everardo_rs_: You can use either i386 (32bit) or amd64 (64bit) with that processor. It might be helpful to see ^^^ :) |
| 12:37.41 | everardo_rs_ | in installation of programs is stuck |
| 12:40.01 | SpiceMan | everardo_rs_: check /var/log/syslog in another terminal |
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| 12:40.31 | everardo_rs_ | ok |
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| 12:42.13 | everardo_rs_ | thanks |
| 12:42.47 | lucian_ | hey how can i get nokia support on my linux? |
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| 12:45.14 | coolguy4 | Using aptitude (the front-end) and I'm looking through all the packages that are installed, and I see gnome-keyring, so I press 'r' to see the reverse dependencies. The only reverse dependencies that are installed (with the 'i') are under 'Recommends' and 'Suggests'.... so this is something I need to figure out, what do Recommends and Suggests actually mean and can I just go ahead and remove all the packages that only have 'Recommends' and |
| 12:45.14 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.38 | abrotman | coolguy4: not quite .. there are Depends, Recommends, Suggests .. Depends are required, Recommends strongly encouraged (and aptitude installs by default), and Suggests can be skipped if you don't want them, but be aware if some functnioality is missing |
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| 12:52.42 | coolguy4 | I guess I can only figure out if a suggested or recommended package can be removed by learning what the package does and why it has been made a dependency. |
| 12:52.55 | dokma | hey guyz |
| 12:53.05 | dokma | I cannot figure out why my router won't forward ports |
| 12:53.37 | dokma | it does forward 22 and I can ssh from my desktop (outside) to my laptop (behind router) |
| 12:53.57 | dokma | any ideas how to figure out why I can't forward port 9000 (for Xdebug) |
| 12:54.19 | dokma | I have admin access to the router Thomson TG782 |
| 12:54.27 | ali3n0 | dokma, did you check nat rules? |
| 12:54.48 | abrotman | dokma: how is this a Debian question ? |
| 12:55.16 | abrotman | dokma: there is a ##networking for help with consumer routers |
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| 12:55.55 | scx | hello |
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| 12:57.38 | dokma | abrotman, I kind of feel that there is a lot of competent folks here.. and all my machines are Debian so I'm bending the roules a bit |
| 12:57.54 | abrotman | dokma: so ask them to join you in ##networking .. this is not the place for this discussion |
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| 12:58.04 | abrotman | and there are almost 300 people in ##networking |
| 12:58.08 | dokma | ali3n0, where do I check nat rules? |
| 12:58.16 | dokma | is that on the router itself? |
| 12:58.33 | dokma | abrotman, ok I'll go over to #networkinf |
| 12:58.37 | abrotman | thank you |
| 12:58.49 | dokma | abrotman, don't be such a zealot ;) |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | don't be offtopic |
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| 13:03.26 | coolguy4 | "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:" -- what is the basis of that? Recommended packages should normally be installed, right? So why does it decided not to install certain recommended packages? |
| 13:04.32 | scx | is it posiible to get screenshot of application using apt-* commands (apt-get, apt-cache, apt-file, ..., dpkg)? |
| 13:04.57 | xyan | coolguy4: lenny has the install recommended packages as default unless you set Install-Recommends "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf[.d/something] |
| 13:05.03 | scx | i want somthing similar to "Get screenshot" in Synaptic |
| 13:05.32 | xyan | scx: use scrot and make a screenshot of your terminal window |
| 13:05.43 | xyan | or do it with apt-foo | tee |
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| 13:07.41 | rabby- | doesn't lenny/sid have fastcgi support for php by "default"? |
| 13:07.45 | dokma | abrotman, you know how to tell which app is listening on a port? |
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| 13:07.59 | abrotman | dokma: fuser or lsof |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | or netstat |
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| 13:09.36 | scx | xyan: i dont want to make screenshot, i want get (like wget) screenshots) of application, which i want to install |
| 13:10.53 | xyan | scx: implement it then :O i dont think its a decent idea to integrate gui related stuff as in displaying images into a cli program |
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| 13:14.52 | scx | xyan: http://wstaw.org/w/dB0/linki/ |
| 13:14.54 | scx | http://wstaw.org/w/dB1/linki/ |
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| 13:17.26 | scx | xyan: it may just wget screenshot file or run image viewer |
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| 13:20.04 | toggle | does anyone have experience with the difference between debian unstable and ubuntu in terms of security updates? |
| 13:21.41 | xyan | scx: i understood what you want. this functionality is not implemented and this is not the right place to discuss your wishes. file a wishlist bug against apt and/or implement it yourself and post a patch |
| 13:22.19 | frikinz | which package has a screenshot for example? |
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| 13:23.14 | scx | frikinz: catfish |
| 13:23.26 | scx | a lot of packages |
| 13:24.19 | scx | it is very useful when you dont know what exacly app you want to install, but you want for example music player |
| 13:24.43 | scx | then you get screenshot of exaile, banshe, rythmbox, etc |
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| 13:29.42 | pha | Hello guys - I am trying to load up a Java KVM screen - I can load it, but when I load an *.iso via the Virtual Drive, it doesn't assign it properly. |
| 13:30.02 | pha | I have found that the port being 5901 - it needs forwarded - but i'm stuck as to what port to forward this to? |
| 13:30.26 | pha | I have the iptable rule sitting there, tried a few various ports but it's not working. |
| 13:30.50 | acemi | vnc |
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| 13:31.59 | frikinz | scx: wget -O - screenshots.debian.net/thumbnail/catfish | display |
| 13:33.03 | scx | frikinz: thx |
| 13:33.18 | pha | yeah acemi - vnc runs on the same port |
| 13:33.28 | pha | therefore, they must have the same problem as this. |
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| 13:41.10 | robuster | hi, is anyone here familiar with APF? |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | ,versions apf |
| 13:41.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'apf' was found in i386. |
| 13:42.26 | jelly | robuster: do you perhaps know the name of the package under which it is available in debian? |
| 13:42.51 | pha | hrmmm, don't think anyone knows. |
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| 13:43.00 | pha | thanks for the help anyways :) |
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| 13:43.48 | jelly | pha: what vendor/brand is your kvm thingy? |
| 13:43.57 | george1 | I've installed nvidia-driver 173 for my card previous to that i was using the nouveau driver. The nvidia driver didnt work i removed it and now i'm not sure how to activate the noveau driver again |
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| 13:46.51 | djszapi | dh_movefiles: debian/tmp does not exist -> How can I avoid this error message while building a debian package ? |
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| 13:47.44 | babilen | !tell djszapi about mentors |
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| 13:48.22 | djszapi | Note: dh_install is a much better program, and you are recommended to use it instead of dh_movefiles. |
| 13:48.52 | robuster | ,versions apf-fw |
| 13:48.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'apf-fw' was found in i386. |
| 13:49.06 | babilen | george1: Take a look at its README.Debian -- it might be as easy as replacing "nvidia" with "nouveau" in your xorg.conf (or even starting Xorg with no xorg.conf whatsoever) |
| 13:49.13 | robuster | ,versions apf-firewall |
| 13:49.16 | judd | Package apf-firewall on i386 -- sid: 9.7+rev1-2; squeeze: 9.7+rev1-2 |
| 13:49.36 | robuster | its that only jelly, do you know anything about it? |
| 13:50.08 | george1 | babilen: thing is now i have no xorg.conf .. and the Xorg -configure isnt detecting my flatscreen |
| 13:50.43 | babilen | robuster: You know that you can (i) /query the bot and (ii) obtain the same information with 'rmadison' (modulo bdo) or 'apt-cache policy' (if you have the applicable sources enabled) |
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| 13:51.54 | babilen | ,info apt-firewall --release squeeze |
| 13:51.56 | judd | No record of package 'apt-firewall' in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:52.06 | babilen | gah :) |
| 13:52.10 | babilen | ,info apf-firewall --release squeeze |
| 13:52.12 | judd | Package apf-firewall (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: easy iptables based firewall system. Version: 9.7+rev1-2; Size: 101.6k; Installed: 436k; Homepage: http://www.rfxn.com/projects/advanced-policy-firewall/ |
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| 13:53.32 | george1 | babilen: i think xorg just hates my screen, no distro seems to be able to cater for it, debian did before i fiddled :( |
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| 13:54.20 | djszapi | nobody answers on #debian-mentors :) |
| 13:54.24 | babilen | george1: The old xorg.conf might actually be available in /etc/X11/ have a look |
| 13:55.03 | george1 | babilen: true, sec. |
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| 13:57.25 | george1 | babilen: no luck, i thought nvidia backed my xorg.conf up |
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| 13:57.59 | babilen | yeah, I too. |
| 13:58.36 | babilen | djszapi: See NOTES in dh_movefile's man page -- and why don't you use dh_install? |
| 13:58.39 | dokma | hey guyz anyone knows if there is a dyndns server for Debian |
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| 13:58.59 | dokma | abrotman, you wise sage... do you know of any dyndns servers for Debian? |
| 13:59.09 | djszapi | babilen: it should also work with this one. |
| 13:59.11 | george1 | dokma: i see it in APT |
| 13:59.14 | babilen | dokma: A server? You want to provide you own dyndns service? |
| 13:59.22 | dokma | babilen, exactly |
| 13:59.31 | djszapi | as I said our other repositories use that one as well, thus I would like to remain consistent with others. |
| 13:59.33 | dokma | I already have powerdns setup with mysql backend |
| 13:59.53 | dokma | so now I just need a way to accept those dns update requests |
| 14:00.00 | dokma | and forward the update to the mysql database |
| 14:00.14 | dokma | I could code it myself but hate to reinvent the wheel |
| 14:00.33 | george1 | dokma: oh the hassle :P |
| 14:00.48 | dokma | george1, what do you see in apt? |
| 14:01.30 | george1 | dyndns |
| 14:01.36 | george1 | Is it the app your after ? |
| 14:01.44 | dokma | george1, let me check |
| 14:01.51 | george1 | I'm using testing btw. |
| 14:02.01 | dokma | I only see the client |
| 14:02.06 | george1 | Not sure if it makes a difference |
| 14:02.25 | dokma | george1, dyndns-client a virtual package |
| 14:02.36 | dokma | it offers ddclient or ez-ipupdate |
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| 14:02.43 | dokma | these are the updaters |
| 14:02.44 | george1 | dokma: Sorry that's all i see too, my bad. |
| 14:02.55 | dokma | I need the things that is on the other side of the updater |
| 14:03.04 | dokma | that accepts the requests and changes the dns records |
| 14:03.16 | george1 | Yeah i know what you mean. |
| 14:03.28 | dokma | thanks for the time though, I appreciate |
| 14:03.52 | dokma | yeah.... looks like I will have to write one myself... |
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| 14:04.11 | george1 | dokma: Good luck, probably for the best you know what you need ;) |
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| 14:05.26 | CharlieSu | I just edited a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ . How do I make these changes live? Is there a service I need to restart? |
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| 14:07.30 | itchi | Hi, can we search how many bug reports someone filled in? |
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| 14:07.38 | george1 | Why isn't xorg detecting my monitor ! |
| 14:07.41 | george1 | shakes fist |
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| 14:08.35 | Ergo^ | george1, possibly its not a monitor ? ;-) |
| 14:08.49 | Ergo^ | or you connected it wrong ;-) |
| 14:09.13 | frikinz | george1: did you try get-edid | parse-edid |
| 14:09.14 | Ergo^ | being drunk once plugged RGB connector in upside-down |
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| 14:09.32 | george1 | Ergo^: Negative, when i did the debian install it all worked fine, now i've install the nvidia driver removed it and tried to use the nouveau again it's broke =[ |
| 14:09.32 | itchi | Sorry, finally found it out on the last line of the bugs.debian.org haha :P |
| 14:10.46 | george1 | frikinz: sec. |
| 14:10.47 | itchi | The thing is that on that list it isn't 100% correct! I'm missing a bug or two :s |
| 14:11.58 | george1 | monitor and card do not support DDC 1 & 2, error: output block unchanged |
| 14:12.04 | george1 | that's for you frikinz |
| 14:12.27 | karlpinc | !tell george1 about binary-only drivers |
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| 14:13.20 | george1 | karlpinc: my bad, any way i can get xorg to detect it, debian did detect it at one point |
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| 14:14.21 | karlpinc | george1: You know about pastebin? Pastebin your x log and someone might be able to help. |
| 14:14.39 | george1 | I'm using CLI so i'm not sure how to get anything into pastebin |
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| 14:14.48 | karlpinc | !pastebinit |
| 14:14.48 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 14:16.41 | karlpinc | george1: People used to 'that other OS' are in the habit of installing all sorts of 3rd party software, which is why their systems turn to muck. Install just from the Debian repos and everything is guarenteed-ish to work together. |
| 14:17.03 | george1 | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/NwhCfWAd |
| 14:17.12 | george1 | Yeah i wanted the 173 driver for my card |
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| 14:18.48 | karlpinc | george1: That looks like the dmesg output. We're more interested in the (iirc) /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of 'lspci -nn'. |
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| 14:19.54 | karlpinc | george1: And people will want to know the version of debian. (I'm not particularly clueful when it comes to graphics drivers, someone else might know more.) |
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| 14:20.46 | george1 | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/KqY0JJGk |
| 14:21.10 | george1 | I'm running Debian 5 testing |
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| 14:23.38 | karlpinc | george1: What does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say. Debian 5 is not testing. |
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| 14:25.43 | george1 | sorry repeat that weechat is scrolling too fast |
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| 14:26.07 | karlpinc | george1: What does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say. Debian 5 is not testing. |
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| 14:27.23 | george1 | squeeze/sid |
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| 14:30.58 | karlpinc | george1: Ok. (I don't run that.) The log says: "Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new" I don't think that sounds right. You could try changing the name of that file and then starting X. The other thing to try is "Xorg -configure". I'm not sure I can help much beyond that. You know how to start X without having to reboot? |
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| 14:31.34 | hochron | startx |
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| 14:36.51 | keith4 | is anyone aware of a tool that takes grep-like syntax, but highlights matches instead of filtering them in/out? |
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| 14:39.53 | keith4 | i know that grep can highlight matches, but i'm interested in something more like.... tail -f, but with matches highlighted |
| 14:40.20 | karlpinc | keith4: So pipe tail -f to grep? |
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| 14:40.51 | jelly | keith4: the power of pipes! tail -f | grep --line-buffered |
| 14:41.24 | keith4 | yes yes. but i want to see all of the tail output, not just the matching lines |
| 14:41.52 | keith4 | ...although, i guess some combination of -A and -B might be close enough |
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| 14:42.34 | jelly | keith4: have some bashisms: tail -f | tee >(grep --color foo) >(grep -v foo) >/dev/null |
| 14:42.50 | keith4 | jelly: whoa. brilliant! |
| 14:43.52 | jelly | personally I'd use a different adjective |
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| 14:44.15 | keith4 | how about: ugly hack, but it works ;-) |
| 14:44.24 | karlpinc | kludge |
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| 14:46.59 | jelly | ( while true; do tail --follow=name /opt/pmx/var/log/pmx_log | awk -W interactive 'old!=$2{print "";old=$2} {print $0}'; sleep 1; done ) |
| 14:47.28 | jelly | $2 is a timestamp. What does tail -f do? |
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| 14:48.20 | jelly | s/tail -f/this line/ |
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| 14:50.53 | tolland | i want to run a command in the background that keeps going when I logout, and i want to capture the stdout/stderr to separate files |
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| 14:51.08 | tolland | i am confused over whether i should be looking at disown or nohup or & |
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| 14:51.37 | babilen | tolland: I would actually encourage you to use "screen" (much nicer than nohup) |
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| 14:52.41 | babilen | tolland: And read up on IO redirection |
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| 14:53.35 | Benkinooby | babilen, if you try screen, try tmux too. |
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| 14:55.35 | tolland | there is an article on reddit today about screen vs tmux |
| 14:55.36 | tolland | http://blog.fork-bomb.org/posts/2010/10/why_you_should_try_tmux_instead_of_screen/ |
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| 14:56.07 | tolland | babilen: funny, I am connected to irssi using a screen session right at the moment, i didn't think of that |
| 14:56.28 | babilen | tolland: hehe :) |
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| 14:59.42 | Benkinooby | tolland, althoug tmux is the software of my choic there is also an extension for screen callad bayabos or so... it has more elements of a gui than screen |
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| 15:04.28 | tolland | well tmux doesn't seem to be in the lenny apt repo |
| 15:04.36 | tolland | unless it is another package |
| 15:05.05 | CissWit | it is only in backports |
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| 15:12.02 | keith4 | jelly: turns out, there is a non-kludge way, called "multitail" ;-) |
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| 15:15.24 | kaneda^ | hello again |
| 15:15.47 | kaneda^ | i'm running UEFI with a kernel that is configured for UEFI, but there's no efi directory in either proc or sys |
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| 15:16.02 | kaneda^ | how do i get this to appear? |
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| 15:20.02 | itchi | Why the hell is there such spam, so useless |
| 15:20.43 | houms | how do I create an iso from a cd/dvd using command line only? I have a software disc that I would like to create an iso for |
| 15:22.27 | babilen | houms: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/cd.iso (for example) |
| 15:23.07 | itchi | readcd -v dev=/dev/hdc -f isoimage.iso |
| 15:23.15 | itchi | or that way with cdrtools |
| 15:23.27 | hochron | anyone know how to make cab files? |
| 15:23.42 | itchi | hochron: That's just an archive file |
| 15:24.22 | hochron | I used cabextract and now want to make cab files |
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| 15:24.41 | hochron | itchi: so what do you do? |
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| 15:25.42 | hochron | I cant det cabwiz.exe or cabsdk.exe so I cant really follow the instructions I got on google |
| 15:26.11 | itchi | hochron: Dunno, didn't created such type of file on *nix yet, didn't have got a need to |
| 15:26.13 | freepenguin0 | does exist a monitor for apache server for debian? a counterpart of mysql administrator for mysql |
| 15:27.20 | babilen | ,info lcab |
| 15:27.22 | judd | Package lcab (utils, extra) in lenny/i386: create cabinet (.cab) archives. Version: 1.0b12-3; Size: 9.3k; Installed: 64k; Homepage: http://coding.wooyayhoopla.be/lcab/ |
| 15:27.34 | itchi | !info lcab |
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| 15:27.55 | itchi | hochron: Seems you want lcab |
| 15:28.01 | hochron | ok |
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| 15:28.05 | hochron | thanks |
| 15:28.13 | itchi | dpkg is thinking about it, hold on |
| 15:28.13 | dpkg | itchi: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:28.17 | itchi | bah |
| 15:28.27 | dpkg | lcab: (create cabinet (.cab) archives), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0b12-3 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 15:29.04 | babilen | hochron: there is also pocketpc-cab (and probably several other) |
| 15:29.09 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 15:29.11 | babilen | !tell hochron -about search |
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| 15:29.32 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah right, is kinda faster too |
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| 15:30.31 | leed | I made a file /etc/modprobe.d/local that contains "options sata_nv swncq=0"; however, when I boot up SWNCQ is still enabled on the sata_nv driver. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:36.09 | kisuke | ok, question for yall, tring ot get nix to run off a portable HDD on multiple PCs, anything specific i need to do? |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | nix? |
| 15:36.26 | kaneda^ | so this is definitely an EFI system, the kernel is compiled for EFI support, but there's no /sys/firmware/efi or /proc/efi, implying it's not an EFI system |
| 15:36.30 | kaneda^ | what's wrong with this? |
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| 15:37.19 | kisuke | abrotman: any of the unix variants i thougt i put *nix :P |
| 15:37.26 | abrotman | yes, but which exactly? |
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| 15:38.18 | kisuke | abrotman: i would like to use debian, but it may not be viable, for whatever reason. |
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| 15:43.19 | frikinz | leed: did you try re-generating initramfs? dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 15:43.38 | leed | frikinz: thanks, I just did that acutally and it worked, thanks for the response! |
| 15:43.47 | frikinz | leed: :) |
| 15:44.29 | kisuke | abrotman: i m tring to find out if ther is some special config i needt to set to be able to use it accross multiple systems |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:44.52 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 15:45.10 | kaneda^ | i feel like i'm missing something |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | kisuke: if the target systems support booting off USB, shouldn't be much more to it |
| 15:45.23 | kaneda^ | but if it has UEFI, and the kernel is compiled for UEFI, where's my EFI?? |
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| 15:45.39 | kisuke | abrotman: kk, thanks |
| 15:45.49 | abrotman | kisuke: also /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:46.19 | kisuke | abrotman: i want to install to a USB not from one |
| 15:46.53 | kaneda^ | kisuke, he's assuming you'll want to boot from this install, which i would also assume |
| 15:47.02 | alcy | I wonder if moving to slapd.d is be inevitable in some time ? slapd.conf is so convenient. any tips folks ? |
| 15:47.19 | alcy | s/be/gonna be |
| 15:47.34 | kaneda^ | alcy, you can still use slapd.conf to generate the slapd.d folder, so atm i dont see a need |
| 15:47.54 | kisuke | kaneda^: yes, but i need a persistant image, without nuking the whole 320 GB HDD, just the partiton i have set aside for it |
| 15:48.15 | kaneda^ | doesn't change the fact that if yuo want to boot the linux partition you'll need to be able to boot from USB |
| 15:48.29 | kaneda^ | it's not magic, in other words |
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| 15:49.18 | alcy | kaneda^: just that debian & variants are moving to slapd.d, so I thought it would probably be right to start getting accustomed to it. just hope we dont start getting deprecation warnings and errors soon. :) |
| 15:49.41 | kaneda^ | ah, true, when that happens i'll figure out how to do a setup sans slapd.conf |
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| 15:50.14 | elliott | Anyone remember that page that had information about the largest set of installable Debian packages -- i.e. no conflicts etc.? |
| 15:50.17 | elliott | :) |
| 15:50.41 | kisuke | kaneda^: yeah, i knwo of a cople of boto CD i can use to load the HDD if i need to, so i should ust be able to do a regular install to the HDD? |
| 15:51.27 | kaneda^ | kisuke, i think you're missing the point, and the only difference is that you need to make that partition bootable |
| 15:51.43 | kaneda^ | elliott, do you mean http://packages.debian.org/stable/ ? |
| 15:52.10 | kisuke | kaneda^: kaneda^ it isi have a copy of grub on it ATM, test runing a ubuntu (ew) install |
| 15:52.35 | kaneda^ | nothing wrong with ubuntu ;p |
| 15:52.37 | elliott | kaneda^: No. It was a specific page that analysed all the Debian packages and then figured out -- using some program -- the largest set you could have installed at one time. It was a joke. |
| 15:52.51 | kaneda^ | elliott, i see, never heard of it, sorry |
| 15:52.51 | elliott | Well, semi-joke. |
| 15:52.53 | elliott | Okay. |
| 15:52.56 | elliott | I'll try and find it myself. |
| 15:53.12 | kaneda^ | kisuke, you should be good to go then, |
| 15:53.23 | kaneda^ | i'm out of here, i'll be back with more UEFI questions soon |
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| 16:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | Strange. dpkg reports linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 is installed, when in fact only linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-25lenny1 and linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5 2.6.32-23~bpo50+1 are installed. |
| 16:09.35 | E_mE | I'm trying to install my nvidia card drives, ive executed: sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) --- but i keep getting this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 16:09.35 | E_mE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.04 | babilen | !tell E_mE about bat |
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| 16:12.32 | E_mE | babilen: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/yzyjluvvwcjbnunh5bprtg |
| 16:13.15 | themill | jhutchins_lt: care to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy $package" for each of those three packages? (chances are you *do* have the kernel metapackage installed, which is the first one you mentioned) |
| 16:14.09 | E_mE | babilen: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/p1huylyybrrzwfsva438sw <-- as well |
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| 16:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Probably. There's just no corresponding file in /boot. I also have linux-image and linux-image- |
| 16:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | Gah. I do NOT hvae linux-image or linux-image-2.6 |
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| 16:22.55 | themill | jhutchins_lt: there are lots of packages that are called linux-image* that don't have files in /boot. |
| 16:24.24 | themill | you might like to study the description and depends entries of "apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686" |
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| 16:27.06 | delarge | hi |
| 16:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Fun and games with iceweasel, I'll just study them myself. I just think it's strange that it reports the old version number even though it's "satisfied" by the new one. Still learning the intricacies of dpkg. |
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| 16:28.48 | themill | jhutchins_lt: there's nothing to be mystified about at all here. They are different packages for different purposes and have different version numbers. |
| 16:28.50 | delarge | i added the backports lines on my sources.list (Debian lenny) |
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| 16:29.02 | delarge | and i updated the apt |
| 16:29.13 | RichiH | i hate myself for asking this, but i need to use some programs that fail when ipv6 is enabled. i know there is a central switch to switch off IPv6 (which sucks), but i can't find it |
| 16:29.17 | ThinkRob | Is JFS still considered a reliable, production-ready FS in squeeze? |
| 16:29.39 | delarge | but when i search for a package only i found the version available for lenny |
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| 16:31.17 | metalfoo | RichiH: You have to blacklist the ipv6 module. |
| 16:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | ThinkRob: squeeze itself isn't "production ready". |
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| 16:31.53 | babilen | E_mE: Thank you ⦠one second please |
| 16:32.06 | E_mE | ok babilen |
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| 16:32.14 | ShaunR | anybody know of a very simple program that uses hosts_access (tcpd.h)? looking for something were i can reverse engineer how to implement hosts_access into my own code. |
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| 16:33.08 | ThinkRob | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I know. :D I meant "insofar as squeeze is usable, is JFS OK?" |
| 16:33.12 | qq- | libwrap0-dev: /usr/include/tcpd.h |
| 16:33.28 | babilen | E_mE: You need to enable contrib in your sources.list -- /msg dpkg contrib (and you *might* want to enable non-free as well "/msg dpkg non-free sources", but that is not needed) |
| 16:34.09 | ThinkRob | jhutchins_lt: Or, even more universally: is JFS in general still considered a sane choice? |
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| 16:34.30 | E_mE | babilen: okay ill test quick |
| 16:34.48 | DogWater | If you install debian using the kmuto installer can you still update it? |
| 16:35.02 | nsadmin | sure, why not? |
| 16:35.04 | babilen | DogWater: Debian? Or the kernel? |
| 16:35.17 | HackeMate | hello, I believe I disabled NetworkManager but pidgin can't connect because it thinks networkmanager has still no active connections: how can I ensure networkmanager is not running and how can make it not start anymore? |
| 16:35.24 | DogWater | because which mirror has the packages that coincide with that kernel? etc |
| 16:35.41 | babilen | DogWater: You might actually want to use the kernel from backports afterwards (and follow the instructions on the backports site on how to enable automatic updates) |
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| 16:36.22 | nsadmin | usually it doesn't. the point of kmuto is to get debian installed |
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| 16:37.04 | nsadmin | and 9 times out of 10, it's the kernel that needs to support the devices you have which is otherwise in the way |
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| 16:38.13 | DogWater | right, i'm saying though after it is installed and a security update is released for example sshd, will apt-get update pick that up? |
| 16:38.41 | nsadmin | well ok, so that's not the kernel... that should work fine |
| 16:39.21 | jhutchins_lt | !jfs |
| 16:39.21 | dpkg | jfs is probably Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try! http://jfs.sf.net/ |
| 16:39.41 | babilen | DogWater: The kmuto images are the stable ones with a newer kernel (and maybe some firmware, â¦) |
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| 16:40.11 | nsadmin | so, we're talking sorta on the surface at the moment... so I'm curious about what your actual issue is right now |
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| 16:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: It's the same system, just a differnet kernel. |
| 16:40.34 | babilen | nsadmin: way to go :-D |
| 16:40.39 | nsadmin | maybe we can get that solved and then go back to the surface... |
| 16:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | I believe we discussed this whole thing rather extensively yesterday. |
| 16:42.44 | nsadmin | with DogWater? or with someone else? |
| 16:42.59 | nsadmin | if the latter, I guess he could read the log |
| 16:43.16 | babilen | nsadmin: There is no official log AFAIK |
| 16:43.33 | themill | /topic |
| 16:43.52 | jhutchins_lt | The nick is familiar, but they were very confused about hardware support and kernels and how things actually get into debian. |
| 16:43.53 | babilen | hides |
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| 16:44.40 | nsadmin | yeah I'm fairly confused about hardware support too, with devfs/udev and sysfs and all that stuff |
| 16:45.01 | nsadmin | but I don't think I need to know about it now |
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| 16:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | It was something along the lines of "kmuto isn't Debian because it's a different kernel, I want modern hardware support but the Debian kernel". |
| 16:48.00 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not sure we ever got any sense out of him. |
| 16:48.18 | babilen | *sigh* :) |
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| 16:50.10 | nsadmin | hmm. perhaps that's not a good backlog to read |
| 16:51.11 | wam | Hi, how can I do stateless nat in linux 2.6.3n? netfilter isn't flexible enough, as I want to snat and dnat in input and output chains, because I need local processes' packets to be natted. I read about "ip route nat" which doesn't exist since 2.6.20 and about tc being able to do this, but I couldn't confirm that. Any hints? |
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| 16:53.28 | bartzy | Hi |
| 16:53.28 | nsadmin | netfilter not flexible enough? hmm. linux has netfilter as its firewalling... is there something newer that is more flexible? is there something that is not linux that would meet your needs |
| 16:53.57 | wam | nsadmin: ? |
| 16:54.30 | wam | nsadmin: netfilter is missing a input nat or at least a prerouting snat. |
| 16:54.34 | wam | for what I require |
| 16:54.40 | nsadmin | other than that, are you willing to hack netfilter to add what you need? |
| 16:54.45 | bartzy | I ran chkrootkit on a server of mine, and ps, pstree, top & netstat binaries were INFECTED, and it said that the server is possibly infected with Ambient (ark) rootkit. Only thing to do is reinstallation ? |
| 16:54.45 | wam | no |
| 16:55.32 | nsadmin | so then you're stuck with existing software |
| 16:56.01 | wam | tell me news |
| 16:56.29 | nsadmin | maybe bsd or other unix-alike kernel has more flexibility |
| 16:57.01 | stew | wam: hmm, do you really need prerouting snat? why? |
| 16:57.39 | wam | stew: we have a node with public ip addrs and VMs with internal ips. We do 1:1 nat on the node, but we need the node being able to talk to the VM via its public ip address |
| 16:57.57 | bartzy | I ran chkrootkit on a server of mine, and ps, pstree, top & netstat binaries were INFECTED, and it said that the server is possibly infected with Ambient (ark) rootkit. Only thing to do is reinstallation ? |
| 16:58.06 | wam | stew: from a local process we enter the chains in output |
| 16:58.13 | wam | stew: that's too late for any rewriting |
| 16:58.19 | nsadmin | bartzy: both of your repeats are on my screen... |
| 16:58.30 | nsadmin | well not any more :) |
| 16:58.30 | stew | hmm |
| 16:58.47 | bartzy | sry. I'm using a stupid online client and thought maybe it didn't go through. |
| 16:59.11 | stew | wam: but snat happens in postrouting which is after output |
| 16:59.21 | nsadmin | in any case, if someone rooted you, probably you're going to have to reinstall |
| 16:59.38 | stew | (ins't it?) |
| 17:00.14 | wam | stew: right, I need to rewrite the dest-ip in postrouting, so that's ok. But my VM answers from the internal IP to the public IP of the node. I'd have to change the source IP of the VM to the public IP of the VM (which is one of the IPs of the node) to match the connection quintet. |
| 17:00.33 | bartzy | Also, anyone have a list of executable files with setuid & setgid on a regular debian system ? |
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| 17:00.55 | wam | stew: and I can't change this source IP somewhere between incoming and routing. |
| 17:01.13 | nsadmin | and totally wipe the disk (with the POSSIBLE exception of your /home) to start with |
| 17:01.29 | stew | wam: and you can't do this with "ip route add some.net/24 dev whatever src pu.bl.ic.ip" |
| 17:01.37 | stew | on the vm |
| 17:01.45 | dalias | there is no reason to wipe /home |
| 17:01.56 | stew | dalias: how do you know? |
| 17:02.03 | wam | stew: I can't change the vms |
| 17:02.08 | stew | oh |
| 17:02.35 | dalias | under normal circumstances nothing will be executed from /home except shell login scripts which can easily be inspected |
| 17:02.41 | wam | (they're not "mine") ;) |
| 17:02.58 | ThinkRob | dalias: In all fairness, once you've been infected with a rootkit, circumstances cease being normal. |
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| 17:03.24 | dalias | thinkrob, assuming a new OS install/root fs, things pretty much return to normal |
| 17:03.37 | dalias | even if there's ~/.lol_reinstall_rootkit, there's nothing to execute it |
| 17:03.55 | ThinkRob | What if .xinitrc calls that? |
| 17:04.05 | dalias | inspect login scripts, yes |
| 17:04.17 | ThinkRob | Fair enough. |
| 17:04.19 | dalias | but they're small, almost surely written by hand, and easy to install |
| 17:04.32 | dalias | s/install/fix/ |
| 17:04.34 | ThinkRob | Yeah, if it's feasible to do so, I guess that'd be a possibility. |
| 17:04.43 | ThinkRob | Depends on the machine though I imagine. |
| 17:04.45 | dalias | or just write a script that rm's all login scripts |
| 17:04.57 | bartzy | why no one answers :\ |
| 17:05.00 | dalias | easier than rm'ing terabytes of valuable data |
| 17:05.18 | ThinkRob | Most things are. :D |
| 17:05.28 | dalias | :) |
| 17:06.09 | stew | bartzy: /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 17:06.26 | stew | hmm, that's not complete though |
| 17:06.30 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: No one has a useful answer. |
| 17:06.43 | bartzy | stew: What ? |
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| 17:07.19 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: You could try checking it with debsums, but if it's been up and exposed and a rootkit is a genuine possibility it's best to be safe and reinstall. |
| 17:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: There's also rkhunter. |
| 17:07.47 | bartzy | yeah, but how do I remove a rootkit ? |
| 17:08.05 | bartzy | best sure way would only be to reinstall the system ? |
| 17:08.07 | ThinkRob | bartzy: By reinstalling. |
| 17:08.16 | ThinkRob | :) |
| 17:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: Carefully examine each file on the system, even the obscure ones, compare them to a known clean copy. |
| 17:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: Or just do a clean install. |
| 17:09.52 | bartzy | OK... |
| 17:09.54 | bartzy | thanks! |
| 17:09.58 | bartzy | anything about the setuid & setgid files ? |
| 17:10.01 | bartzy | files list* |
| 17:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: You may want to look into an intrusion detection system like tripwire. |
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| 17:17.04 | ma3x | hi im trying to scan active debian partition for badblocks. should i force it? i tried in single user mode, but the partition is still mounted. any tips please? |
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| 17:18.32 | mordy | try read only mode (whcih is the default).. shouldn't have any harm done there |
| 17:18.50 | ma3x | in single user mode? |
| 17:18.56 | mordy | in any mode.. |
| 17:19.08 | nsadmin | also you might try a live cd |
| 17:19.23 | ma3x | i tried live cd twice ubuntu, but it didn't find any badblocks. strange |
| 17:19.25 | mordy | you should only care about it being mounted if you're going to potentially modify the partition |
| 17:19.28 | somiaj | I'd suggest a live or recover CD -- I think the debian recovery CD's contain fsck |
| 17:19.29 | ma3x | debian always finds them :D |
| 17:19.31 | mordy | why do you think you have bad blocks? |
| 17:19.32 | nsadmin | I'm not so sure badblocks is a read-only test, so be careful |
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| 17:19.44 | mordy | the manpage says it's read only by default |
| 17:20.02 | bzed | ma3x: did you try a diag tool from your disk vendor? |
| 17:20.04 | nsadmin | oh, that sounds safe |
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| 17:20.16 | ma3x | so readonly scan is safe even for mounted partition? |
| 17:20.19 | bzed | ma3x: or gave a long selftest a try? |
| 17:20.36 | ma3x | yes in fact smartmontools are giving out the errors |
| 17:20.46 | ma3x | and badblocks just confirmed about 190 bad sectors |
| 17:20.48 | mordy | what kind of errors are they giving? |
| 17:20.55 | bzed | ma3x: time to get a new disk. |
| 17:20.56 | mordy | so your disk is dying |
| 17:20.57 | ma3x | one sec |
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| 17:21.00 | bruteforce_allti | channel for pakaging related doubts on git.debain? |
| 17:21.11 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: just ask. |
| 17:21.28 | mordy | the way it works is that the disk internally remaps bad sectors -- each disk has a bunch of unused sectors that are swapped for bad sectors when the disk detects a bad sector |
| 17:21.40 | bzed | ma3x: ^ |
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| 17:21.53 | mordy | until the disk has completely run out of extra sectors to replace them, the OS level won't see anything wrong with the disk |
| 17:22.50 | ma3x | i always get reuslts like these |
| 17:22.55 | ma3x | # 1 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 17679 214761107 |
| 17:23.03 | ma3x | no matter how many tests i try |
| 17:23.17 | bzed | ma3x: paste the whole smartmontools output into a pastebi please |
| 17:23.26 | bzed | ma3x: and... you want to replace that disk anyway |
| 17:23.29 | ma3x | and always get those smart mails for pending sectors |
| 17:23.34 | ma3x | just one sec |
| 17:23.44 | bzed | ma3x: actually you could save that work. get a new disk :) |
| 17:24.01 | bzed | ma3x: an dbetter make a backup *now* in case you don';t have one |
| 17:24.13 | mordy | ok, i'm trying to figure out how i can get a list of packages and the origin from whence they came.. i've tried something like dpkg-query -W -f '${Origin}' which doesn't provide anything (Except 'debian' for like 4-5 packages out of ~3000 installed) |
| 17:24.25 | ma3x | so the disk will go even in worse condition? |
| 17:24.45 | mordy | i've also found a mailing list post from 2004 which says to use the %O format in aptitude, but that doesn't work here (aptitude fails silently) |
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| 17:26.05 | ma3x | why does smart display SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED anyway? |
| 17:26.16 | ma3x | by the way here is the output http://paste.debian.net/98492/ |
| 17:26.17 | bruteforce_allti | In sugar package http://packages.debian.org/sid/sugar, git -> http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar.git;a=summary with each new version of sugar, we are renaming the activity. |
| 17:27.11 | ma3x | i have 2 external 2,5" hdds (pata), thought they were gonna fit into the notebook. was disappointed when i found out it was sata inside |
| 17:27.16 | bruteforce_allti | Now suppose a user has sugar-0.88 version installed on his system and he runs upgrade, then will he be able to upgrade to sugar-0.90 which acco to name is a different package. |
| 17:28.59 | mordy | i was (and still am) having a major issue with glib-2.24 (squeeze) in which g_type_init is not initializing the glib thread system |
| 17:29.08 | mordy | and causing a ton of stuff to segfault |
| 17:29.21 | ma3x | bzed longtest has always the same result it finishes after 10 secs and all you see is Completed: read failure 90% 17841 233375697 |
| 17:29.26 | bruteforce_allti | but more on less contains the same contents and the istall path is still same. If I have sugar-0.88 install and I try to install the deb file of sugar-0.90, then it gave me error regarding contents being same as in pacakge sugar-0.88 |
| 17:29.34 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: I'd guess the packages are so different, that there is no useful upgrade path |
| 17:29.59 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: but the best place to ask this is to contact the maintainer of the package |
| 17:30.13 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: he can tell you for sure what the issue is. |
| 17:30.51 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: or first try to google or see if there is something documented in /usr/share/doc/sugar-verison |
| 17:30.57 | bartzy | how do I grep several files for any lines that are NOT in another file ? |
| 17:31.19 | mordy | compiling glib from source using dpkg-buildpackage fixes it |
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| 17:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: diff |
| 17:31.36 | mordy | so does a vanilla build of glib |
| 17:31.58 | bzed | bartzy: something like grep -v -f yourfilewithlines otherfiles? |
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| 17:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: Chances are if you have been rooted not all of the changes will be obvious, that's why we recommend a clean reinstall. |
| 17:32.16 | bartzy | it's not connected my question about rootkits.. |
| 17:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: Besides which, whatever vulnerability was exploited is still there. |
| 17:32.23 | bruteforce_allti | bzed: The problem is that though we are using different names "sugar+versio_nnumber", but while installing the path only contains sugar. |
| 17:32.38 | bartzy | grep -f is great! |
| 17:32.38 | bzed | bruteforce_allti: that might also warrant a bug report :) |
| 17:32.39 | ma3x | did anyone take a look at what i pasted? is the hard disk definitely to throw away? |
| 17:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions sugar |
| 17:33.01 | judd | Package sugar on i386 -- lenny: 0.82.9-1 |
| 17:33.14 | bruteforce_allti | bzed: anyways. will contact maintainer neverthen less if not able to solve it soon. Thanks for your time. |
| 17:33.27 | mordy | ma3x: yeah, it's dying |
| 17:33.43 | mordy | just because badblocks is finding bad blocks |
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| 17:33.53 | mordy | that means your disk is on the way to the destruction |
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| 17:34.03 | mordy | it has no time to survive make its time for great justice |
| 17:34.10 | bzed | ma3x: looks like, yes. |
| 17:34.25 | bartzy | bzed: I think the file with the patterns must have full patterns ? of full lines ? |
| 17:34.28 | ma3x | :( |
| 17:34.31 | ma3x | ok thanks pals |
| 17:34.33 | bzed | bartzy: man grep ? |
| 17:34.40 | mordy | it's an old crappy pata drive.. it should be going anyway |
| 17:34.47 | mordy | i'm surprised it lasted that long |
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| 17:34.51 | ma3x | *sata |
| 17:35.02 | bartzy | it's not written there :\ |
| 17:35.08 | mordy | oh sata? |
| 17:35.17 | mordy | WD sata drives are generally good, wonder how that went kaput |
| 17:35.18 | ma3x | yup |
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| 17:35.26 | ma3x | are hdds always dying after a few years? |
| 17:35.30 | bzed | ma3x: is it your laptop's drive? |
| 17:35.33 | mordy | well, depends on the type |
| 17:35.42 | bzed | mordy: not even that. |
| 17:35.42 | ma3x | yes laptop's drive |
| 17:35.48 | bzed | ma3x: that explains it. |
| 17:35.52 | mordy | WD 2.5 drives (and wd drives in general) are built like a tank |
| 17:35.58 | bzed | ma3x: probably you just hit your laptop a bit too hard while it was working |
| 17:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | bartzy: Use diff to compare files. |
| 17:36.21 | bartzy | jhutchins_lt: again, I don't have the exact lines. |
| 17:36.21 | bzed | ma3x: also most laptop drives are dead after two years anyway... |
| 17:36.23 | ma3x | bzed possible, didn't even think of that :D |
| 17:36.46 | ma3x | generally i had always bad experience Western Digital |
| 17:37.01 | bzed | ma3x: at least I never had one which lated longer... laptops are being carries around and used in all awkward positions, that no fun for a drive :) |
| 17:37.12 | mordy | WD has always been great, seagate's the one that i've always had issues with |
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| 17:37.25 | mordy | their drives are so fragile and too slow for anything useful (random i/o) |
| 17:37.29 | ma3x | I think toshiba/samsung hds are better |
| 17:37.40 | bzed | mordy: pretty much depends on the series, they all made sh*t disks within the last years |
| 17:37.58 | bzed | and even brand new 15k FC drives sometimes just die... |
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| 17:42.01 | punkoff | Hello. I'm building a package with python-support there. |
| 17:42.06 | punkoff | I'm using dh_pythonsupport |
| 17:42.25 | punkoff | The problem is that it doesn't add its stuff into prerm/postinst if I have one |
| 17:42.39 | punkoff | If there's no postinst/prerm, it creates one successfully |
| 17:43.06 | mordy | yeah everyone's had their experiences with $vendor that never workds for them |
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| 17:44.10 | bzed | punkoff: do you have the #DEBHELPER# stanzas in your pre/postinst stuff? |
| 17:44.22 | punkoff | no. Do I need one? |
| 17:44.33 | bzed | punkoff: you might want to read the documentation. |
| 17:44.43 | bzed | punkoff: of debhelper |
| 17:44.54 | punkoff | ok, I was just following the how-to: http://ghantoos.org/2008/10/19/creating-a-deb-package-from-a-python-setuppy/ |
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| 17:45.05 | bzed | punkoff: man debhelper /Automatic generation of debian install scripts |
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| 17:45.24 | punkoff | thanks |
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| 17:45.29 | bzed | punkoff: uh |
| 17:45.37 | jake[work] | getting flooded by a server in china - ran iptables but tcpdump still show flood. help? |
| 17:45.41 | bzed | punkoff: that tutorial is... complicated. |
| 17:45.50 | bzed | jake[work]: not a debina problem. |
| 17:45.52 | bzed | *debian |
| 17:45.56 | jake[work] | linux? |
| 17:45.56 | bzed | jake[work]: talk with your ISP |
| 17:46.09 | jake[work] | can't do it locally? |
| 17:46.14 | punkoff | anyway, I've got it done except this one problem, thanks |
| 17:46.14 | bzed | punkoff: you might want to install python-stdeb |
| 17:46.41 | bartzy | how can I drop privileges in a script ? any binary that does that ? |
| 17:46.42 | bzed | punkoff: and then just run py2dsc on the tarball which was created with setup.py sdist |
| 17:46.53 | bzed | bartzy: no. |
| 17:47.05 | bartzy | meaning I want my script to do some initial stuff as root, but then drop its privileges ... |
| 17:47.12 | bzed | bartzy: not in the same one. you could use su and call a different script with that |
| 17:47.12 | bartzy | bzed: So how all the setuid binaries do that ? |
| 17:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | jake[work]: Unfortunately that's the shortcoming of an on-system firewall - you still get the packets. |
| 17:47.40 | bzed | bartzy: write your script in a language which is able to do that. |
| 17:47.51 | bartzy | bzed: What language for example ? |
| 17:47.52 | bzed | jake[work]: and again, thats offtopic here - ask your ISP. |
| 17:48.01 | bzed | bartzy: any which is not a shell script |
| 17:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | jake[work]: Like bzed suggested, it's best if they can be stopped upstream. |
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| 17:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: I don't think that's offtopic. |
| 17:48.18 | bzed | bartzy: like perl, python, C, c++, java, ...) |
| 17:48.25 | jake[work] | tnx! |
| 17:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | jake[work]: You have iptables dropping them without logging? |
| 17:48.52 | bartzy | bzed |
| 17:48.58 | bartzy | bzed: sry. And then how it's done ? |
| 17:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: How is iptables and stopping floods any more offtopic than java? |
| 17:49.01 | bartzy | in a high level ? |
| 17:49.12 | bzed | bartzy: oh, not java. ignore that. |
| 17:49.21 | jake[work] | iptables -I INPUT -s 222.87.204.3 -j DROP |
| 17:49.49 | deepy | Can I somehow uninstall IPv6 completly? |
| 17:50.53 | bzed | bartzy: man 2 setuid and friends |
| 17:51.31 | bartzy | thanks. |
| 17:51.43 | alcy | deepy: cant remember exactly, but you can "disable" it completely using some standard config system directives. |
| 17:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | jake[work]: All of my drop rules include a /32 range. |
| 17:51.47 | bartzy | nothing found in that man :| |
| 17:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | jake[work]: They're generated by shorewall. |
| 17:52.06 | bartzy | No manual entry for setuid in section 2 |
| 17:52.08 | jake[work] | ok - luckily it's just this particular ip |
| 17:52.11 | bartzy | I'll search, thanks bzed. |
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| 17:52.38 | jake[work] | would i still see the packets in tcpdump? |
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| 17:55.38 | oskie | if I have updated a file in /etc/udev/rules.d, what do I need to do to make udevd realize this? i just renamed an ethernet interface |
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| 17:59.44 | cahoot | udevadm trigger |
| 18:05.58 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:09.23 | oskie | cahoot: ah ok, it didn't have any effect tho. but its good to know that's the command |
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| 18:10.36 | natefoo | Hi all. I just tried to install python-dev on a squeeze/sid system and during the installation process, it attempted to upgrade from 2.5 to 2.6. |
| 18:11.12 | natefoo | Installation failed, links to 2.6 were created but 2.6 was not yet installed and the mercurial package installer tried to use python. |
| 18:11.36 | natefoo | Causing the entire install to bomb, and now I can't install any of the python2.6 packages by hand since they seem to have cyclical dependencies. |
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| 18:13.47 | oskie | did you try the last resort: dpkg -i with --force-all? |
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| 18:14.16 | natefoo | No, let me do that now. |
| 18:14.54 | oskie | natefoo: perhaps you could try --force-depends or something before --force-all |
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| 18:15.15 | natefoo | Too late! But it seems to have worked. |
| 18:15.38 | oskie | anyone remember the debian /dev fiasco - when /dev was replaced by a file (and dpkg would of course do rm -rf dev first)? |
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| 18:16.31 | natefoo | Last apt debaucle I had was when the kernel went to 2.6 and I didn't bother to read any sort of docs before upgrading. |
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| 18:17.51 | oskie | hehe |
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| 18:20.44 | karlpinc | wam should be using split horizon dns so his vm's don't need to be talking to the external IP address. |
| 18:20.48 | mordy | how do i display a list of packages and their origin? (*not* their release)? |
| 18:21.30 | mordy | e.g. whatever aptitude does with it's ?origin specifier |
| 18:21.50 | mordy | i'm trying to do some housekeeping and sorting of packages by release, origin, size etc. etf. |
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| 18:23.10 | natefoo | oskie: Thanks! |
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| 18:25.11 | deepy | Since xlock no longer exists, what's the alternative? |
| 18:26.40 | CissWit | i use xscreensaver |
| 18:27.31 | mordy | my goal with the 'origin' question above is to figure out, given a package, whether i built it locally, got it from a debian repo, or elsewhere |
| 18:27.37 | mordy | i know apt handles this stuff |
| 18:27.51 | deepy | CissWit: it's not even close to xlock when it comes to functionality though |
| 18:28.13 | CissWit | it locks my x, i never did much more with wlock |
| 18:28.44 | deepy | but xscreensaver doesn't want to be invoked |
| 18:28.44 | CissWit | s/wl/xl/ |
| 18:28.51 | deepy | it just brings up the settings when I launch it |
| 18:29.31 | cahoot | deepy: xlockmore also wrong? |
| 18:29.39 | deepy | Does not exist either |
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| 18:29.55 | endra | hey |
| 18:29.57 | deepy | squueze on a sidenote :p |
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| 18:30.37 | endra | if I wanted to manage my own nameserver for 100+ domains on my dedicated server, is there a specific application that I can use that will create some sort of web interface for management? |
| 18:30.42 | CissWit | deepy: xscreensaver --no-splash & |
| 18:30.48 | CissWit | it launchs the server |
| 18:31.10 | CissWit | then, xscreensaver-command -lock |
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| 18:31.14 | Jumpie | hey guys |
| 18:31.19 | CissWit | will lock the scren |
| 18:31.25 | CissWit | screen* |
| 18:31.26 | Jumpie | is there a debian 32 bit xen image available? |
| 18:31.31 | ChadStat_ | Hey guys, I'm having a wierd problem with nis. One of my nis client machines is not applying anything beyond the default group. http://pastie.org/1256137 |
| 18:31.43 | bzed | Jumpie: what is a xen image for you? |
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| 18:32.48 | Jumpie | we used xencenter and xenserver by citrix |
| 18:33.03 | Jumpie | i know you have to have a specific kernel, and the host os is centos as is most of the images |
| 18:33.08 | Jumpie | but we have a rqeuest for debian32 |
| 18:33.19 | ChadStat_ | Jumpie, I've got debian 64 running on xencenter. |
| 18:34.35 | bzed | Jumpie: can't you just 'boot' an installer in there? |
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| 18:34.50 | bzed | Jumpie: hmm although with xen.. guess that doesn't work |
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| 18:35.35 | bzed | Jumpie: we have tools in debian to do such things when you run debian instead of xencenter and such things.. |
| 18:36.05 | bzed | Jumpie: http://wiki.debian.org/VMBuilder might work for you, though |
| 18:38.43 | mordy | is anyone using squeeze? can you tell me if something like polkitd or gnome-system-monitor segfaults? |
| 18:39.06 | wbruna | hi, I noticed a specific bug is fixed on a package version already on the archive. Shall I close it, or simply mark it as fixed on that version? (I'm neither the maintainer nor the original reporter) |
| 18:39.19 | Xanbreon | mordy: using squeeze here, and gnome-system-monitor works fine for me |
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| 18:39.57 | bzed | !tell mordy about BTS |
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| 18:40.24 | ChadStat_ | Jumpie, I've got debian 64 / 32 running in xenserver / xencenter. I have a list of instructions for getting it setup |
| 18:40.34 | mordy | well, i'm not sure if it's a bug or not, or simply a problem with my configuration |
| 18:40.55 | mordy | though i can't figure out what it would be, i'm very cautious before i submit anything. iv'e searched high and low for this issue and found nothing |
| 18:40.58 | bzed | wbruna: which bug# is it? |
| 18:41.17 | mordy | superficially, glib is not calling g_thread_init when g_type_init is called |
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| 18:42.11 | wbruna | bzed: bug 595679 ; I know it's fixed because the mentioned upstream revision is already included in 1.6.4 |
| 18:42.12 | jelly-home | wbruna: personally I'd mark it as fixed and comment on it |
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| 18:42.39 | jelly-home | wbruna: but try to really verify it's fixed and not rely on the code version |
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| 18:44.29 | mordy | furthermore my problem seems to disappear when i compile glib using dpkg-buildpackage.. but i can't see how my build environment differs from whatever the package maintainers used.. |
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| 18:46.42 | bzed | wbruna: send a mail to 595679-done@bugs.debian.org then and explain that. |
| 18:48.46 | mordy | hrrm.. i have limited bandwidth, and even though i use apt-cacher, i don't want to set up a new test environment for this :( |
| 18:49.38 | mordy | Xanbreon: now i need another favor, can you run somehting like gnome-system-monitor under gdb and break under g_thread_init? |
| 18:50.44 | mordy | see if it gets called at all.. but hrrm.. |
| 18:51.39 | Jumpie | ChanServ |
| 18:51.42 | Jumpie | er ChadStat_ |
| 18:51.44 | Jumpie | what about debian 32? |
| 18:51.50 | Jumpie | he runs an app that requires it |
| 18:52.19 | Xanbreon | mordy: okies, sec |
| 18:52.21 | ChadStat_ | I've got a list of instructions that I wrote to get debian 32 / 64 running on xencenter. |
| 18:52.26 | ChadStat_ | PM me if you want them |
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| 18:52.34 | mordy | you might need the glib-dbg pkg :( |
| 18:52.58 | quidnunc | What the easiest way to install packages if aptitude and apt-get are broken? |
| 18:53.11 | metalfoo | Repai apt? |
| 18:53.12 | metalfoo | +r |
| 18:53.17 | stew | quidnunc: dpkg -i |
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| 18:53.26 | mordy | actually... a better program to try this on would be gvfs-open |
| 18:53.27 | quidnunc | stew: Yeah but I have to fetch the deb somehow |
| 18:53.35 | stew | quidnunc: wget |
| 18:53.49 | ChadStat_ | dpkg -i http://server/apt.pkg |
| 18:53.49 | dpkg | removes a liver from chadstat_ and replaces it with http://server/apt.pkg |
| 18:53.49 | quidnunc | stew: I was hoping that there was something more automatic |
| 18:54.02 | stew | quidnunc: there are, but you broke them |
| 18:54.30 | quidnunc | stew: touché |
| 18:54.35 | stew | quidnunc: how exactly are apt-get and aptitude broken? does apt-get --print-uris work? |
| 18:54.51 | Xanbreon | mordy: Im not really sure what im doing :P I dont have gvfs-open installed and I dont want to drag in all of gnome |
| 18:54.54 | wbruna | bzed, jelly-home: I tested the packaged version, seemed to be working fine; I'll close it then. Thanks! |
| 18:54.58 | quidnunc | stew: Apparently I have a bad libstdc++ |
| 18:55.04 | mordy | oh :P |
| 18:55.08 | quidnunc | stew: Or at least incompatible |
| 18:55.23 | mordy | well, i don't want to be too overwhelming :) |
| 18:55.32 | stew | that's too broken then |
| 18:55.43 | quidnunc | stew: Yeah |
| 18:55.46 | Xanbreon | mordy: If you want to give step by step instructions of what todo its ok, otherwise ill be bashing my face into a wall :P |
| 18:56.06 | stew | quidnunc: all of the things that are automatic that I know of "like apt-get and aptitude" all ultimately depend on libapt |
| 18:56.20 | stew | random quotes are random |
| 18:58.27 | mordy | Xanbreon: apt-get install libglib2.0-0-dbg; gdb /usr/bin/gnome-system-monitor; in gdb type 'b g_thread_init', then type 'r', then let it start up.. |
| 18:59.55 | Xanbreon | morbaq: http://pastebin.com/3TB6yx8s |
| 19:00.33 | Xanbreon | oops |
| 19:00.33 | mordy | ok thanks! |
| 19:00.36 | Xanbreon | mordy :P |
| 19:00.40 | Xanbreon | Is that what you needed? |
| 19:00.57 | mordy | yes |
| 19:01.03 | Xanbreon | Goodo :) |
| 19:01.40 | mordy | can you tell me the md5sum of your glib? md5sum /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so |
| 19:02.33 | Xanbreon | $ md5sum /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so |
| 19:02.33 | Xanbreon | md5sum: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.35 | Xanbreon | Hurrhm |
| 19:03.03 | mordy | :-S |
| 19:03.39 | mordy | well, where is yours installed to? :-? |
| 19:04.02 | Xanbreon | I dont seem to have one, well, whereis cant find it |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | !tell Xanbreon about apt-file |
| 19:04.46 | mordy | you've gotta have it somewhere.. that's where glib should be installing to |
| 19:05.15 | Xanbreon | Weird, let me try what abrotman just told me todo :P |
| 19:05.48 | mordy | oh actually it's in /lib |
| 19:05.58 | mordy | and the ones in /usr/lib are symlinks to there |
| 19:06.24 | mordy | my bad |
| 19:06.27 | Xanbreon | libglib-2.0.so.0.2400.2 maybe? |
| 19:06.34 | mordy | yeah sounds good |
| 19:06.44 | mordy | well, that's the version we both have installed |
| 19:06.55 | Xanbreon | $ md5sum libglib-2.0.so.0.2400.2 |
| 19:06.55 | Xanbreon | 1754e87c405e6ee87b3ffa52a90bdac6 libglib-2.0.so.0.2400.2 |
| 19:07.08 | mordy | ok weird.. :( |
| 19:07.24 | Xanbreon | Very obscure |
| 19:07.34 | mordy | well, that's the same md5sum i get |
| 19:07.36 | Xanbreon | Im using AMD64 btws |
| 19:07.44 | mordy | oh me too |
| 19:07.50 | mordy | i appreciate you helping me btw |
| 19:07.59 | Xanbreon | No problemo |
| 19:10.31 | Xanbreon | Im gona go get a bite to eat, if theres anything else I can do, leave me a nick alert ;) |
| 19:10.33 | Xanbreon | toodlepips |
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| 19:12.31 | alcy | I can't simply figure out converting qmail.schema from the qmail-ldap patch to qmail.ldif for complying with slapd.d style, any help ? |
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| 19:18.14 | Hochron | anyone know why lcab * disk2.cab gives me a segmentation fault? lcab w* test.cab works. |
| 19:19.13 | petemc | compare echo * and echo w* |
| 19:20.42 | Hochron | hmmm, as it should be... is there a file limit maybe |
| 19:20.46 | quidnunc | If I install libstdc++ do I need to restart? |
| 19:20.52 | Jumpie | why the hell are there 31 isos for debian? |
| 19:20.56 | quidnunc | is it possible I need to restart |
| 19:20.58 | Jumpie | what on earth could possibly need that much |
| 19:20.59 | Jumpie | lol |
| 19:21.01 | quidnunc | 32 was too many |
| 19:21.07 | Jumpie | i take it i can just download first iso to get going |
| 19:21.17 | Hochron | * is 4455 files |
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| 19:21.42 | Hochron | the man page doesn't say |
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| 19:22.36 | cahoot | Jumpie: just get the netinst |
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| 19:23.24 | rww | Jumpie: the complete set contains every package in the archive. You just need the first one for an offline install, and can even just use the netinst if you have internet access on the computer you're installing to. |
| 19:25.43 | Jumpie | rww yea i figured |
| 19:25.43 | Jumpie | thanks |
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| 19:32.40 | luckz | can I disable "You have new mail in /var/mail/<user>"? |
| 19:33.27 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.59 | jelly-home | almost said "biff n", then remembered it wasn't 1995 |
| 19:34.02 | Hochron | hmmm, I did some stuff but still have the same problem |
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| 19:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | 31 includes all architectures and i18n right? |
| 19:36.41 | rww | jhutchins_lt: not all architectures, no. every package in the archive for a given architecture, including all i18n packages |
| 19:37.12 | jhutchins_lt | Which is like 30,000 packages. |
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| 19:41.01 | jhutchins_lt | Wasn't there a bot function that reported the current count? |
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| 19:46.49 | nsadmin | ! listkeys arch |
| 19:47.13 | nsadmin | at a guess |
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| 19:48.46 | p3rror | hello |
| 19:49.03 | p3rror | i connect a 3g modem to my debian box |
| 19:49.34 | p3rror | and i get no tty attached to the modem |
| 19:50.10 | tomodachi | p3rror: google usb modeswitch |
| 19:50.16 | tomodachi | if its not returning a tty |
| 19:50.24 | tomodachi | your modem probably hasnt switched into a modem from being a mass storage device.. |
| 19:50.44 | p3rror | right |
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| 19:51.26 | p3rror | i think that i miss usb_modeswitch data |
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| 19:52.34 | Hochron | so does the segmentation fault from lcab signify a vulnerability in my system? |
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| 19:53.23 | quidnunc | What's the command to list a packages dependencies? |
| 19:53.48 | Hochron | In ##linux a user said '0day exploit found' after I said that |
| 19:54.10 | Hochron | is my system compromised? |
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| 19:54.39 | quidnunc | Never mind, apt-cache show works |
| 19:56.16 | petemc | Hochron: unlikely, try using strace |
| 19:56.57 | quidnunc | Are there statically linked versions of apt/aptitude? |
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| 20:06.05 | ghostrocket | hi all |
| 20:06.21 | ghostrocket | i use a script to setup my box over on amazon |
| 20:06.29 | ghostrocket | i'm having a hard time installing rabbitmq-server because it pops up a "packing configuration" dialog where all i need to do is hit enter to dismiss |
| 20:06.46 | ghostrocket | problem is that the script hangs on this step |
| 20:06.53 | ghostrocket | aptitude install -y doesn't dismiss |
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| 20:07.21 | petemc | do you see the dialog? |
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| 20:08.10 | eshat | Hi all |
| 20:08.29 | ghostrocket | yes i see it |
| 20:08.36 | ghostrocket | if i hit enter all is well |
| 20:08.41 | ghostrocket | but how do i bypass it via script |
| 20:09.07 | petemc | preseeding, perhaps |
| 20:09.29 | eshat | how can it be, that my computer does not play back 720p H264 Videos ? it is 2.66 MHz celeron with 2GB DDR2 and an nvidia geforce 6200 . That isn't too bad, is it ? |
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| 20:09.46 | Pavlz | one query please: |
| 20:10.46 | ghostrocket | preseeding? |
| 20:10.49 | Pavlz | what about Koobface for GNU/linux ? could it really infects GNU/linux ? it seems very strange to me |
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| 20:12.58 | abrotman | Pavlz: it's been out for almost two years .. why are oyu asking now? |
| 20:13.10 | petemc | ghostrocket: it can be used for unattended installs, im not sure if it can be applied to individual packages in scripts tho |
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| 20:16.41 | ghostrocket | ah ok |
| 20:16.43 | ghostrocket | thanks petemc |
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| 20:20.44 | Hochron | !strace |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | [strace] a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
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| 20:22.56 | Hochron | !lcab |
| 20:23.55 | S0me1 | Hi |
| 20:23.57 | S0me1 | I would like monitoring my system logs, if there is any error or failure happen, alerts me via email. Could you please advice? |
| 20:24.56 | petemc | logcheck |
| 20:26.10 | jhutchins | S0me1: logwatch |
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| 20:26.28 | jhutchins | S0me1: nagios |
| 20:26.31 | Hochron | can I just ./configure && make && make install something?? if I do then aptitude wont recognize it |
| 20:26.51 | jhutchins | Hochron: Nope. Build a .deb file. |
| 20:26.53 | Hochron | how do I compile the debian way? |
| 20:26.54 | Bushmills | for testing failure, i'd not check the logs, but choose a "proactive" approach instead, by checking the services, regardless whether they manage to log failure or not. |
| 20:27.15 | jhutchins | Hochron: What package are you after? |
| 20:27.18 | Bushmills | monit is one choice for such a supervision program |
| 20:27.31 | Hochron | how do you build a .deb file? lcab |
| 20:27.52 | jhutchins | ,versions lcab |
| 20:27.54 | judd | Package lcab on i386 -- etch: 1.0b11-1; lenny: 1.0b12-3; sid: 1.0b12-3; squeeze: 1.0b12-3 |
| 20:28.02 | jhutchins | !tell Hochron about search |
| 20:28.26 | jhutchins | (Ignore the |
| 20:28.42 | jhutchins | "Please search instead of asking", that was just to get you the package search tips.) |
| 20:29.11 | jhutchins | Hochron: so aptitude install lcab |
| 20:29.44 | Hochron | I think there is an input limit in the one synaptic..... yeah that one, I found 1.0b12 on the net |
| 20:29.59 | Hochron | I already installed that one.... |
| 20:30.04 | jhutchins | !tell Hochron about ssb |
| 20:30.42 | jhutchins | Um, should be current in lenny according to judd. |
| 20:31.05 | S0me1 | jhutchins, what else ? |
| 20:31.38 | Hochron | hmmm, I get a segmentation fault when I lcab * disk2.cab but lcab w* test.cab works fine |
| 20:31.50 | Hochron | * is 4455 files |
| 20:34.20 | Hochron | If I ran it as root, and showed up in /var/log/messages then could that be a vulnerability in my system? |
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| 20:43.21 | not_david | when i 'swapon' it complains of uuid. how can i automagically populate fstab with the new uuid? |
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| 20:43.33 | Hochron | can you lcab parts of the folder and the lcab it back together? |
| 20:44.31 | Hochron | that is the most recent version btw, thanks for trying to help me jhutchins |
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| 20:47.34 | cast | not_david: run blkid, edit fstab? :> |
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| 20:48.08 | not_david | cast: is doesnt show the drive |
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| 20:58.40 | not_david | tune2fs!! nevermind. i got it now. |
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| 21:09.12 | jhutchins_lt | !uuid |
| 21:09.12 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 21:11.02 | edju | fstab has as options for an external drive -- noauto,user,rw,exec. When I try to mount as user -- only root can do that. The options are not correct? |
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| 21:12.17 | metalfoo | Modern distributions have mount assistants that allow you to do such things. Just make sure you are in the group plugdev |
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| 21:55.39 | adac | Hiw can i check if a kernel modul is installed? |
| 21:55.46 | adac | *How |
| 21:56.01 | ketsa | lsmod ? |
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| 21:58.06 | adac | ketsa, ok is see. hmm how do i install a module that is not there? ie. ipt_mark |
| 21:58.30 | babilen | adac: modprobe MODULE (and modprobe -r MODULE to remove it) |
| 21:58.49 | cast | do you mean install a module or load a module |
| 21:59.03 | babilen | (i explained the latter) |
| 21:59.07 | adac | install |
| 21:59.28 | cast | you could do a dpkg -S for it |
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| 21:59.46 | adac | cast babilen, since ipt_mark seems not to be installed: lsmod | grep ipt_mark does not geive back a result |
| 22:00.22 | ketsa | load it with modprobe modulename, check that it works. |
| 22:01.34 | adac | ketsa, i did first: modprobe ipt_mark then "lsmod | grep ipt_mark" |
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| 22:02.57 | adac | modprobe ipt_mark did not complain at all ketsa |
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| 22:04.53 | petemc | adac: check dmesg to see if it loaded, you can list available modules with modprobe -l |
| 22:05.00 | adac | kk |
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| 22:07.26 | adac | petemc, both do not show ipt_mark |
| 22:07.32 | cast | does the installer support setting up a RAID1 sw array for / and /boot? presumably it'll install the bootloader to both drives /boot is on? |
| 22:07.53 | babilen | adac: Is that CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK ? |
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| 22:09.23 | adac | babilen, I'm not sure if it is that |
| 22:10.46 | babilen | adac: The point is that CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_MARK is compiled into the kernel (not a module), I am however not entirely sure right now which kernel config option triggers the build of ipt_mark |
| 22:10.57 | babilen | (as module or compiled into the kernel) |
| 22:11.09 | babilen | adac: Do you have reason to believe that it is not working? |
| 22:11.46 | adac | babilen, ok i see. well I will try now to set up the vpn without that module (my howto claims that this modue would be needed). maybe it is not needed at all |
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| 22:17.11 | Nai-ux | i am missing /etc/mkinitcpio.conf in lenny, am i missing a package? or does that not work with debian. im trying to put in a Kernel Mode Setting for a graphics card |
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| 22:20.08 | Anarky | hi, I'd like some help to get sound over HDMI to work (radeon) |
| 22:20.23 | Anarky | is it the place to ask or should I go somewhere else |
| 22:20.50 | Anarky | I installed the 2.6.36 kernel from experimental as i read somewhere that it's required |
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| 22:21.07 | Anarky | bu still no luck ... |
| 22:21.29 | Anarky | it works under windows, it works with the fglrx driver |
| 22:22.02 | frikinz | adac: ipt_mark is an alias of xt_mark |
| 22:22.02 | Anarky | I'd really like to get that working under debian |
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| 22:22.43 | babilen | adac: Give me a second |
| 22:22.45 | Xanbreon | You would probs need to build the radeon driver from a git snapshot as well, and goodness knows what else to get sound over HDMI working with it |
| 22:23.09 | Anarky | Xanbreon: sure 'bout that ? |
| 22:23.16 | Xanbreon | or maybe not |
| 22:23.22 | Xanbreon | Im looking again :P |
| 22:23.23 | Anarky | that's not what i read on their website |
| 22:23.49 | Anarky | only missing part was the kms (kernel) part and it should be in 2.6.36 |
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| 22:26.01 | Xanbreon | Looks like its there for R600 and R700 |
| 22:29.08 | Xanbreon | Found some out of date docs for arch.. |
| 22:29.24 | Anarky | yup |
| 22:29.38 | Anarky | so I don't get why it doesn't work with my r600 |
| 22:29.56 | Xanbreon | do you have err |
| 22:30.00 | Anarky | nope |
| 22:30.03 | Anarky | just no sound |
| 22:30.08 | Xanbreon | something like: card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] in |
| 22:30.13 | Xanbreon | aplay -l |
| 22:30.30 | Anarky | I have a device in alsa for long |
| 22:30.47 | Anarky | card 2: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] |
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| 22:30.56 | Anarky | in dmesg i have that |
| 22:31.13 | Anarky | [ 5.843370] [drm] Enabling audio support |
| 22:31.18 | Anarky | which sounds good |
| 22:31.30 | Anarky | just it ... doesn't sound at all |
| 22:31.58 | Xanbreon | You have the section in your xorg.conf? |
| 22:32.07 | Anarky | no section in there |
| 22:32.16 | Anarky | is something required ? |
| 22:32.27 | Xanbreon | no, missread |
| 22:32.32 | Anarky | i thought it was required with radeonhd driver, not with radeon |
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| 22:32.55 | Xanbreon | You have seen this page then? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#HDMI_with_sound :P |
| 22:35.28 | Anarky | I don't think i read this page, no |
| 22:35.40 | Anarky | but i read a lot of pages ... with no luck |
| 22:35.57 | Anarky | I expected the last kernel to automagically solve the issue :/ |
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| 22:36.03 | Xanbreon | Have a look, its old, its for arch, but maybe you can try adding the kernel perimeter and it might work |
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| 22:37.24 | hochron | !uif2iso |
| 22:37.25 | Anarky | i'll try that |
| 22:37.40 | Xanbreon | Good luck :/ |
| 22:37.50 | hochron | !ssb |
| 22:37.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:40.22 | Nai-ux | is /etc/mkinitcpio.conf on debian actually /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ? |
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| 22:42.55 | chasing`Sol | hi folks, is it possible to use iSCSI during debina installation? |
| 22:43.01 | chasing`Sol | s/debina/debian/ |
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| 22:47.28 | Anarky | damn radeon |
| 22:47.36 | Anarky | what am I doing wrong ... |
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| 22:48.00 | qq- | !iSCSI |
| 22:48.00 | dpkg | somebody said iscsi was http://wiki.debian.org/iSCSI |
| 22:49.12 | Xanbreon | Anarky: see http://www.sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=21507 and http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28199&start=0&hilit=ati+hdmi |
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| 22:50.06 | Xanbreon | Also, check alsamixer that your card isnt muted |
| 22:50.18 | Anarky | thanks Xanbreon I look |
| 22:50.27 | Anarky | and for alsamixer: it's unmuted |
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| 22:52.38 | Anarky | and for the links, the second one is about the proprietary driver |
| 22:53.00 | Anarky | the 1st one about a guy who wasn't using the right device |
| 22:53.15 | Anarky | but I don't get any sound even when specifying the device to use |
| 22:53.39 | Xanbreon | Cable/hardware etc working? |
| 22:53.42 | cast | chasing`Sol: hmm, yes. at the very least with debootstrap |
| 22:53.50 | Xanbreon | Tested it with anything else? |
| 22:54.39 | Anarky | Xanbreon: just rebooted in windows where I got sound |
| 22:55.09 | Xanbreon | Its supposed to be working |
| 22:55.20 | Anarky | and when I had installed the proprietary driver it worked |
| 22:55.29 | chasing`Sol | cast, i came across http://www.david-web.co.uk/blog/?p=188 |
| 22:56.04 | Anarky | maybe rebooting under debian just makes me deaf ... |
| 22:56.07 | Anarky | :/ |
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| 22:56.54 | Xanbreon | Anarky: Sorry I cant be of anymore help, hopefully someone who has used it will come in :/ |
| 22:57.07 | Anarky | thanks for your help |
| 22:57.19 | Anarky | at least I feel a little less alone ;p |
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| 23:00.42 | Xanbreon | Heheh, Im amazed theres almost no documentation.. |
| 23:00.51 | Xanbreon | Theres not even anything on the radeon sites |
| 23:00.53 | Xanbreon | -s |
| 23:01.59 | Anarky | Xanbreon: yes, that's my problem ... |
| 23:02.08 | Anarky | looks like it should just work |
| 23:02.32 | Anarky | I guess I'm the unlucky guy for whom it doesn't ... |
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| 23:02.54 | Xanbreon | Yeh.. but really, no documentation at all |
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| 23:08.43 | edibrac | the VIRT column in the output of top .. is the amount of space in my swap partition right? |
| 23:08.56 | edibrac | er, the amount of space taken up by that process |
| 23:10.41 | Anarky | edibrac: it's the amount of virtual memory |
| 23:10.46 | Anarky | memory used |
| 23:11.06 | Anarky | + memory shared by multiple processes it acesses (like libraries) |
| 23:11.19 | Anarky | + files mapped in memory |
| 23:11.26 | Anarky | + maybe devices |
| 23:11.35 | Anarky | basically it doesn't mean anything |
| 23:11.41 | rww | hah |
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| 23:14.15 | karsten-nr | what's the tool to share keyboard/mouse between multiple systems? |
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| 23:15.12 | edibrac | is it worthwhile to figure out how to tune virtual memory? |
| 23:15.26 | karsten-nr | edibrac: it depends. |
| 23:15.29 | edibrac | say if you want to be a true master sysadmin |
| 23:15.34 | karsten-nr | edibrac: What's the system, what are you trying to configure? |
| 23:15.56 | karsten-nr | edibrac: Installing SSD is a much shorter route to bliss. |
| 23:15.58 | edibrac | just a personal email server on a VPS |
| 23:16.15 | karsten-nr | edibrac: Sure. Mess with it and keep metrics |
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| 23:17.36 | edju | fstab has as options for an external drive -- noauto,user,rw,exec. When I try to mount as user, I get -- only root can do that. The options are not correct? |
| 23:20.18 | edibrac | the RES column is what I should care about for physical memory usage right? |
| 23:20.27 | edibrac | java is such a memory pig |
| 23:20.30 | somiaj | edju: what is the command your user is using (i.e. your mount command) |
| 23:21.16 | edju | somiaj, mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:21.35 | somiaj | edju: yea users can't do that, you have to say the mount mount, mount /mount/point |
| 23:22.26 | somiaj | edju: i.e. its being restricted so users can only mount/umount that specific mount point (not the device which could be mounted elsewhere by root) |
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| 23:23.19 | edju | somiaj, Oh. Well, just tried mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 -- and got nada. |
| 23:23.34 | somiaj | edju: what is your fstab option |
| 23:23.48 | somiaj | edju: you just need to write "mount /mnt/sdb1" |
| 23:24.00 | somiaj | edju: i.e. you just tell the mount point, then it checks fstab and sees if you have primisions or not |
| 23:24.27 | Nertil | is debian good for desktop use ore more for server? |
| 23:24.38 | edju | That's it! Thanks. was I supposed to know that? |
| 23:25.05 | hidensoft | hi |
| 23:25.07 | somiaj | edju: if you read the man page // documation yes, but if not now you do,that is all that matters. |
| 23:25.46 | edju | Thanks again. was driving me nuts. |
| 23:25.46 | somiaj | Nertil: I think its a great desktop -- biggest complaint about desktop use is many don't like debians stability requirments and want the newest and crashiest software. |
| 23:25.58 | somiaj | Nertil: espically since stable is a few years behind most 'desktop flashy stuff' |
| 23:26.15 | somiaj | Nertil: but with backports for stable or running sid if you don't mind fixing things. |
| 23:26.21 | hidensoft | i looking for debian testing minimal cd , any body can help me ? |
| 23:26.36 | somiaj | Nertil: you can get debian to be fairly mondern as compared to other more popular desktop distros |
| 23:26.54 | somiaj | hidensoft: for what? |
| 23:27.13 | somiaj | hidensoft: My suggest is to install stable and upgrade -- but there are some testing installers out there, but they are still changing while it stabalizes |
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| 23:27.26 | hidensoft | somaiaj: for install debian :) |
| 23:27.34 | hidensoft | aha |
| 23:27.35 | hidensoft | ok |
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| 23:28.10 | somiaj | hidensoft: I'd grab a stable net-installer -- install the base system -- upgrade then continue install testing, this way you have a good installer. There ar testing install cd's out there but I'd have to look too. |
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| 23:29.17 | babilen | !today |
| 23:29.17 | dpkg | Known problems with Debian-Installer (D-I) daily builds are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 23:29.21 | babilen | hidensoft: ^^^ |
| 23:29.26 | hidensoft | somiaj : im new in debian and linux , can you give me a link for getting more information ? |
| 23:29.40 | fismoll8 | hey guys--I wanted to ask a question about project development etiquette. There is a piece of software I use that is wonderful, but I find the lead developer to be an idiot who is mismanaging the project. I have tried to reason with him, to no avail. His management style is slowing down the project to the point where it is practically discouraged to submit patches and what have you. Is it proper behavior to create my own fork of the projec |
| 23:29.40 | fismoll8 | direct people from the mailing list to it? |
| 23:30.22 | amphi | it might be worth seeing if anyone else supports the idea of a spork |
| 23:30.24 | fismoll8 | the latest release doesn't incorporate many patches submitted in the last couple of months...not because they are bad, but because the lead developers seem to be rather disorganized |
| 23:30.33 | fismoll8 | amphi: the lead developer does not |
| 23:30.49 | amphi | fismoll8: you don't say ;) |
| 23:30.51 | babilen | fismoll8: Sure, but what about the rest of the developers? |
| 23:31.03 | fismoll8 | they're cool, and seem open to the idea |
| 23:31.27 | babilen | !tell hidensoft -about installing testing |
| 23:32.16 | Nertil | is debian good for desktop use ore more for server? |
| 23:32.48 | EagleScreen | I'd say it is good for both |
| 23:32.50 | fismoll8 | amphi: I have to tell you, I get more and more sick of the open source movement with each passing day |
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| 23:33.05 | babilen | fismoll8: I don't see a big problem with it then -- fork it, merge regularly with upstream and be a nice citizen, but discuss it beforehand. Let them know *why* you are doing it and try to fix it. No need for a fork if the situation can be changed |
| 23:33.06 | fismoll8 | amphi: it is littered with mediocrities |
| 23:33.11 | corecode | hey |
| 23:33.32 | corecode | i'm trying to replace one package with another using dpkg - does that work? |
| 23:33.38 | fismoll8 | babilen: I see a major problem...patches are not incorporated into new releases |
| 23:33.48 | corecode | the replacement is a local .deb, and i need to remove postfix |
| 23:33.52 | fismoll8 | babilen: I don't trust the work of many of the developers |
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| 23:34.10 | EagleScreen | corecode: it may works if there isn't dependencies issues |
| 23:34.25 | fismoll8 | babilen: the latest release came out a couple days ago, and it's a joke...many solid bugfixes were left out |
| 23:34.28 | babilen | corecode: Could you be a bit more specific? |
| 23:34.34 | amphi | fismoll8: what did you expect? |
| 23:34.43 | corecode | i'm trying to replace postfix with a local package |
| 23:34.49 | corecode | of another mta |
| 23:34.54 | fismoll8 | amphi: what do you mean...these bugfixes have been around for 3 months + |
| 23:35.11 | fismoll8 | amphi: I suppose I don't follow---I am not a programmer by profession...it's a hobby |
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| 23:35.39 | amphi | fismoll8: _everything_ is littered with mediocrities |
| 23:36.12 | fismoll8 | amphi: sigh...the project was started by quality developers, and now because of one idiot it is on the downturn |
| 23:36.18 | amphi | fismoll8: if there are patches, at least you can apply them yourself |
| 23:36.35 | fismoll8 | amphi: i have already...my copy of the project is better than the latest release |
| 23:36.40 | amphi | heh |
| 23:36.49 | fismoll8 | amphi: I have send countless patches |
| 23:37.06 | amphi | fismoll8: that is very frustrating |
| 23:37.18 | fismoll8 | I don't trust the head developer enough now to do regular git pulls |
| 23:37.31 | fismoll8 | so, that makes it a bit difficult to contribute to the project |
| 23:37.58 | babilen | corecode: Yes, that works (the same mechanism as the one when you replaced exim4 with postfix) -- which MTA do you want now? |
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| 23:38.48 | corecode | my own |
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| 23:39.10 | corecode | no, that replacing is easier because aptitude does it for you |
| 23:39.26 | corecode | i now forced the deinstall of postfix |
| 23:39.34 | corecode | that worked |
| 23:40.15 | babilen | fismoll8: fork it -- push regularly to some public repo, pull/cherry-pick from (old) upstream .. I don't see a big problem with that. But I would still raise these issue within the community. They might see that you've incorporated important patches and (maybe) argue in your favour |
| 23:40.42 | babilen | corecode: You wrote your own MTA? |
| 23:41.29 | corecode | yes |
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| 23:46.53 | babilen | corecode: why? and I hope you don't cause a spam storm |
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| 23:47.01 | corecode | hardly |
| 23:47.08 | corecode | it is no daemon |
| 23:47.14 | corecode | no outside port |
| 23:47.17 | Thmstcls | lol |
| 23:47.18 | corecode | local origination only |
| 23:47.52 | babilen | mta? not mda? |
| 23:47.58 | corecode | mta |
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| 23:48.50 | corecode | works, how nice. |
| 23:49.54 | corecode | babilen: http://gitorious.org/dma if you're interested |