| 00:00.07 | ThinkRob | I may have to try taping 20 after all... |
| 00:00.30 | ThinkRob | lxsys: That pin 20 business -- I take it you're a ThinkPad user too? |
| 00:00.36 | lxsys | No, dell |
| 00:01.04 | lxsys | I used to have a t23 but I was a n00b back then and burnt the mobo out leaving the laptop on my bed |
| 00:01.12 | ThinkRob | Too bad. |
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| 00:01.16 | ThinkRob | T20s were nice. |
| 00:01.26 | lxsys | Although I'm considering getting an X60 |
| 00:01.29 | lxsys | *X60s |
| 00:01.32 | ThinkRob | Definitely. |
| 00:01.33 | ThinkRob | Nice machine. |
| 00:01.54 | lxsys | Its a toss up between X60s or another toughbook |
| 00:01.59 | ThinkRob | X300 is the best ThinkPad ever made IMHO, but the X6(0|1)s is close. |
| 00:02.12 | amphi | lxsys: I have an x61s, I like it a lot - the last 4:3 model, I believe, all shortsrceen now I think :( |
| 00:02.25 | thewanderer1 | my X60 tablet has just broken - bought used though |
| 00:02.29 | ThinkRob | Did you tape 20 because your Dell does the same thing that some of the ThinkPads used to/did (i.e. deactivating the card if it's not recognized)? |
| 00:02.45 | ThinkRob | amphi: Yeah, I got an X61s precisely because it was the last 4:3 ThinkPad ever made. |
| 00:03.01 | ThinkRob | Loved the hell outta that machine, then gave it to a family member. Now they love it. |
| 00:03.04 | lxsys | No, I taped it because the BIOS automatically disables the card and waits for dells clobbered drivers to reenable it |
| 00:03.12 | amphi | ThinkRob: ;) |
| 00:03.20 | lxsys | which is why most other vostro 1000 users use ndiswrapper |
| 00:03.27 | ThinkRob | lxsys: Yeah, that's kinda what the ThinkPad BIOS will do. |
| 00:03.37 | ThinkRob | 'cept (in theory) the modified BIOS I'm using won't do that. |
| 00:03.44 | ThinkRob | Oh well, I guess it's easy enough to try... |
| 00:04.15 | amphi | ThinkRob: do get a message about 'unsuitable card' or whatever at boot time? |
| 00:04.20 | amphi | *do you |
| 00:04.24 | ThinkRob | Not any more. |
| 00:04.28 | lxsys | Since I discovered the taping trick, ive done it to all my laptops, and its saved me ages of time, on every one. |
| 00:04.38 | ThinkRob | I grabbed a modified BIOS from Zender to avoid the usual 1802 error. |
| 00:04.51 | amphi | oh, nice, ameliorated BIOS |
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| 00:05.44 | ThinkRob | lxsys: Which pin is 20 again? |
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| 00:08.16 | lxsys | It should be the 10th pin from the left on the reverse side of the card |
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| 00:08.38 | lxsys | actually thats wrong |
| 00:10.52 | lxsys | looking at reverse side of the card, its the 2nd pin towards the left from the little cutout thingy |
| 00:11.35 | lxsys | pins are labelled from face 1 3 5 7 9 etc and behind them are the even numbers |
| 00:11.59 | lxsys | I was lucky enough to have numbers silkscreened on my broadcom card |
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| 00:12.28 | ThinkRob | lxsys: Lucky bastard. :D |
| 00:12.41 | ThinkRob | reads "Broadcom". |
| 00:12.43 | ThinkRob | Oh. |
| 00:12.45 | ThinkRob | Poor bastard. |
| 00:12.47 | ThinkRob | :P |
| 00:13.04 | lxsys | lol |
| 00:13.52 | thewanderer1 | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Iwlwifi might be relevant, too |
| 00:13.57 | lxsys | i have an rt2571 somewhere in the vast expanse of mess that I call my room |
| 00:14.03 | thewanderer1 | meanwhile... I shall sleep :P |
| 00:14.17 | ThinkRob | Yeah, I'll take Broadcom over Realtek any day. |
| 00:14.26 | ThinkRob | Broadcom's gotten better over the years. |
| 00:15.04 | ThinkRob | Alright, 20's taped. Let's try this again... |
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| 00:16.33 | ThinkRob | Sonofabitch. |
| 00:16.35 | ThinkRob | lxsys: You win. |
| 00:16.52 | lxsys | it works? |
| 00:16.57 | ThinkRob | I owe this man a beer. |
| 00:17.01 | ThinkRob | Indeed it does. |
| 00:17.08 | ThinkRob | LED's still off, BTW. |
| 00:17.12 | ThinkRob | But I figured it would be. |
| 00:17.43 | lxsys | It depends. one system i have, it is on, other its always off |
| 00:17.55 | lxsys | it depends on mobo, and bios |
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| 00:18.56 | ThinkRob | Yeah, ThinkPads are not consistent in their LED behavior re: WLAN cards. |
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| 00:19.42 | ThinkRob | Some of them only enable the LED for whitelisted cards, others only do it for certain slots, others it's both. |
| 00:20.01 | Dsbeerf | Hello someone can tell me how i can change the hostname of my box i have a vps on a debian 5 i change /etc/hostname and also /etc/hosts but every reboot it rechange to vps412 |
| 00:20.24 | lxsys | hmm, on my dell, the led is literally hooked up to the led on the motherboard |
| 00:20.32 | Dsbeerf | and in /etc/hostname it rever to vps412.private.com and the hosts got delete and reinstalled back to the default one |
| 00:20.55 | lxsys | when I had the realtek card in, the led flashed every so often to inform me that I hadnt given the card firmware |
| 00:21.50 | lxsys | anyways I'm tired... night night! |
| 00:22.02 | ThinkRob | lxsys: Right, so now my X300 has WLAN, WWAN, WiMax, GPS, and Bluetooth. |
| 00:22.06 | ThinkRob | Rock on. |
| 00:22.09 | lxsys_zzz | wow |
| 00:22.10 | ThinkRob | Thanks a ton lxsys_zzz. |
| 00:22.37 | lxsys_zzz | So have you got a script to locate your X300 should it get stolen? |
| 00:22.53 | lxsys_zzz | Because with all that kit installed, it should work nicely |
| 00:23.18 | lxsys_zzz | anyways.... i should sleep.. |
| 00:23.22 | ThinkRob | Nah, I disabled the BIOS features for that. |
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| 00:23.25 | lxsys_zzz | is addicted |
| 00:23.31 | ThinkRob | And sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine... |
| 00:23.40 | lxsys_zzz | dont tempt me |
| 00:23.53 | lxsys_zzz | i have my caffeine collection nearby too |
| 00:23.54 | ThinkRob | Dude... Saturday night... |
| 00:23.55 | ThinkRob | :D |
| 00:24.06 | ThinkRob | Speaking of which... time for more Mountain Dew. |
| 00:24.09 | lxsys_zzz | yeah and I got school monday morning |
| 00:24.23 | lxsys_zzz | in fact its actually sunday morning for me now |
| 00:24.33 | ThinkRob | lxsys_zzz: UK? |
| 00:24.36 | lxsys_zzz | (morning as in the middle of the night) |
| 00:24.38 | lxsys_zzz | yes |
| 00:24.46 | amphi | lxsys_zzz: you have a timeslip tonight? |
| 00:24.54 | ThinkRob | Nice. Used to live there myself. |
| 00:25.01 | lxsys_zzz | amphi: ?? |
| 00:25.23 | amphi | clocks change here (.es) |
| 00:25.29 | lxsys_zzz | ah. |
| 00:25.46 | lxsys_zzz | I think clocks change here soon, but I'm not exactly sure when |
| 00:26.42 | lxsys_zzz | anyways i'm turning off my monitor, i need to reboot my servers in the morning (about 6 hours time) when they're going to be quiet |
| 00:26.53 | lxsys_zzz | goodnight |
| 00:26.59 | amphi | n8 |
| 00:27.05 | ThinkRob | 'night. |
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| 00:29.48 | ThinkRob | Right, time to rotate my WPA2 keys. Back shortly. |
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| 00:45.06 | Talon_ | I want to remove packages I know for sure I will NEVER use, like tomboy notes, empathy, ekiga softphone, etc.. but if I select any of them in synaptic package manager for removal, they also want to remove gnome itself.. this is frustrating, is there an alternate way to remove these packages? |
| 00:46.20 | rww | I use the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage instead of gnome. less cruft. |
| 00:46.38 | Kurin | It would be nice if the installer would tell me WHY grub won't install |
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| 00:46.44 | Kurin | like, give me the error message |
| 00:47.07 | rww | Kurin: Ctrl-Alt-F# should have a log, for some value of # that I forget. |
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| 00:52.32 | Kurin | it's probably F4, which I can't get to, because I'm doing this on the remote console on a windows machine |
| 00:52.35 | Kurin | fantastic |
| 00:52.57 | rww | mmm, I think it was higher. F5 or F6 maybe? |
| 00:53.05 | rww | I haven't done it in a while :< |
| 00:53.08 | Kurin | nothing on those vtys |
| 00:55.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | rww: its f4 |
| 00:55.40 | Kurin | fuck |
| 00:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | f1=install, f2=console, f3 i forget, f4=logs |
| 00:55.54 | Kurin | f3 is another console |
| 00:56.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | i don't know if your remoting system allows it, but you can normally switch between them with alt-f# instead of ctrl+alt+f# |
| 00:56.49 | rww | :( |
| 00:57.04 | Kurin | Actually, I'm in text mode, so it's just alt-fx |
| 00:57.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup |
| 00:57.18 | Kurin | and alt-f4 is interpreted by windows before it gets to the server |
| 00:57.24 | Kurin | so |
| 00:57.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 00:57.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kurin: use one of the consoles to read the log. yo umust have cat at least |
| 00:58.07 | Kurin | yeah, I ran the command manually and got an error, so I assumed it was the same error |
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| 01:02.00 | hydoskee | is there a way to get a list of things you've apt-get installed? |
| 01:02.15 | Kurin | dpkg -l |
| 01:02.15 | dpkg | Kurin: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:02.27 | Kurin | cute |
| 01:02.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hydoskee: intalled by user or installed on system? |
| 01:02.50 | hydoskee | Kamping_Kaiser: installed by user |
| 01:03.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hydoskee: dpkg.log.*. not aware of other ways (happy to learn of some though :)) |
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| 01:09.01 | Neo|Desktop | hi everyone, i seem to be having some sound problems |
| 01:09.55 | Neo|Desktop | after running alsaconf i seem to be getting the following error: |
| 01:09.56 | Neo|Desktop | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 01:10.31 | Neo|Desktop | alsamixer throws the following error as well: |
| 01:10.32 | Neo|Desktop | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 01:40.00 | maximi89 | hi guys, what are the default JVM used in DEbian? Openjdk? |
| 01:41.40 | nsadmin | there's not a particular default that I know of... pick one and install it |
| 01:42.00 | nsadmin | you can probably find it at packages.debian.org |
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| 01:42.42 | maximi89 | thanks nsadmin |
| 01:42.43 | maximi89 | ;) |
| 01:43.25 | nsadmin | happy hannukahalloween |
| 01:43.38 | nsadmin | hmm, misspled. |
| 01:43.59 | nsadmin | in all cases... I am gone :) |
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| 02:04.00 | Neo|Desktop | any ideas for my alsa issue? :p |
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| 02:08.58 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 02:09.05 | ZenWalker | anybody uses blazeblogger?Ã |
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| 02:10.00 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 02:10.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:10.21 | jordanm | why when there is wordpress and other much more actively developed CMS's? |
| 02:10.54 | ZenWalker | wordpress needs php and mysql |
| 02:10.58 | ZenWalker | blazeblogger dont needs |
| 02:11.21 | jordanm | ,depends blazeblooger --release sid |
| 02:11.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'blazeblooger' was found in sid/i386. |
| 02:11.28 | jordanm | ,depends blazeblogger --release sid |
| 02:11.30 | judd | Package blazeblogger -- depends: perl. |
| 02:11.59 | ZenWalker | is on squeeze |
| 02:12.10 | jordanm | it doesn't need mysql, it needs a database, but yes, php is required |
| 02:12.28 | jordanm | anyways, what is the problem? |
| 02:13.00 | ZenWalker | can I add comments to blazeblogger? |
| 02:13.17 | jordanm | ZenWalker: I would ask #blazeblogger that sort of thing |
| 02:13.35 | Kurin | I think my remastered install CD just may work |
| 02:13.35 | jordanm | their homepage says its on freenode |
| 02:13.55 | jordanm | Kurin: were you the guy asking on debian-user ml? |
| 02:14.03 | Kurin | I feel like mailing a picture of my dick to whoever made me do this |
| 02:14.05 | Kurin | no |
| 02:14.08 | ZenWalker | yes but #blazeblogger is inactive |
| 02:14.22 | Kurin | there's a chance grub-install will fail, I guess |
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| 02:15.32 | jordanm | Kurin: what did you do to d-i.. and why? |
| 02:15.44 | jordanm | ZenWalker: good reason to use wordpress :) |
| 02:16.16 | Kurin | I put the bnx2 firmware in the initrd on the install CD |
| 02:16.28 | Kurin | so that it wouldn't prompt me for a USB stick |
| 02:16.36 | jordanm | Kurin: uhh, why didn't you just use the kmuto installer that already has that? |
| 02:17.02 | Kurin | because nobody said "yeah this is bullshit, but there's a kmuto installer that already has that" |
| 02:17.19 | jordanm | its not bullshit, but it is provided by kmuto |
| 02:17.21 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 02:17.21 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 02:19.50 | jordanm | Kurin: my logs indicate the reason no one told you is that you never asked, only complained about the lack of it |
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| 02:20.41 | thepro4ever | what app do i use to open pdf docs from the terminal? |
| 02:21.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | open or view ? |
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| 02:21.35 | thepro4ever | doesn't work |
| 02:21.55 | thepro4ever | view opens the thing in vi and shows me a bunch of hex |
| 02:22.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | let me rephrase - do you want to open the file or view its contents? |
| 02:22.12 | thepro4ever | whats the difference |
| 02:22.17 | thepro4ever | i want to see my pdf doc |
| 02:22.29 | Kurin | evince, xpdf |
| 02:22.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | in a terminal? pdf2txt perhaps |
| 02:22.54 | jordanm | those are not terminal based applications, and I doubt there is any, for the same reasons there is no image viewer |
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| 02:23.29 | jordanm | ,versions xpdf |
| 02:23.31 | judd | Package xpdf on i386 -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny2; sid: 3.02-11; squeeze: 3.02-11 |
| 02:23.36 | Kurin | Oh, I didn't even see that he wanted it from the terminal |
| 02:23.38 | Kurin | yeah good luck |
| 02:23.47 | jordanm | ah, they did get the new popplar version into squeeze |
| 02:24.01 | thepro4ever | evince does what i need thx Kurin |
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| 02:24.52 | thepro4ever | man you guys are two technical, i don't even use my gui shit anymore i just need to know what app command to use to open a pdf from a terminal, "not in a terminal" i had no idea that was even possible |
| 02:25.29 | Kurin | They meant did you want to see the contents of the document in the terminal itself |
| 02:25.33 | jordanm | that would typically be... <any pdf application> file.pdf |
| 02:25.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps thepro4ever |
| 02:25.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats exactly what i was trying to find out at the start |
| 02:26.04 | thepro4ever | any pdf app doesn't mean debian comes with adobe pdf viewer |
| 02:26.21 | thepro4ever | you guys are killin me |
| 02:26.36 | jordanm | so your real question was wanting to know of a pdf viewer.. in which case: |
| 02:26.40 | jordanm | !tell thepro4ever about search |
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| 02:27.10 | thepro4ever | jordanm: yeah but does that tell me if debian comes with a default pdf viewer or not |
| 02:27.11 | jordanm | "from the terminal" just added confusion to the question |
| 02:27.16 | thepro4ever | omg |
| 02:27.38 | thepro4ever | i surrender |
| 02:27.54 | Tramp | I liked the "open or view" - "doesn't work" part best |
| 02:28.03 | rue_house | thepro4ever, whats your origional question |
| 02:28.10 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Debian comes with very little by default. Pretty much just enough to login and to get updates from the net archives. |
| 02:28.17 | jordanm | rue_house: its resolved, doesn't matter |
| 02:28.56 | rue_house | ok... |
| 02:29.04 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: You can run it on a machine with about 500MB of disk and 48MB of ram, if you try hard. |
| 02:29.19 | thepro4ever | well my debian came with alot of stuff |
| 02:29.31 | jordanm | that is because you chose to install the desktop task |
| 02:29.31 | thepro4ever | i see your point |
| 02:29.34 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: That's because you told it to. |
| 02:30.12 | karlpinc | wonders if xpdf is in the desktop task. (I've not been following along.) |
| 02:30.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc desktop is gnome, so evince is |
| 02:30.51 | thepro4ever | go gnome! |
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| 02:31.03 | rue_house | can I trust an icedove upgrade to not ditch all my mail? |
| 02:31.35 | Coweater | make a backup |
| 02:31.51 | rue_house | hmm yea |
| 02:32.00 | karlpinc | rue_house: If you use stable, you can probably trust it won't break. Otherwise.... |
| 02:32.16 | rue_house | it wont work, but it wont break, hah |
| 02:32.18 | jordanm | backups are always good, but I have never had a problem with icedove upgrade.. if it corrupted your mail on upgrade, that would be a grave RC bug |
| 02:33.01 | jordanm | "causes data loss" is grave |
| 02:33.15 | Kurin | "did we release with --wipe-everybodys-maildir?" "oh fuck!" |
| 02:33.22 | jordanm | hehe |
| 02:34.25 | rue_house | out of 5 postgres upgrades I didn't lose my data once |
| 02:34.31 | rue_house | the other 4 times I did |
| 02:34.51 | jordanm | sounds like you run testing or unstable |
| 02:34.57 | rue_house | no I ran stable |
| 02:35.17 | rue_house | I'm just going to testing now cause the outdatedness of stable is unbearable |
| 02:35.30 | karlpinc | rue_house: Did you follow the release notes and the readme in the postgres doc directory? I've never had a problem. |
| 02:35.37 | karlpinc | rue_house: You know about backports and volatile? |
| 02:35.54 | jordanm | rue_house: there is no way there has been 5 postgres upgrades in stable... |
| 02:36.02 | jordanm | maybe I am wrong.. |
| 02:36.08 | jordanm | ,versions postgresql |
| 02:36.09 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.5-1; sid: 9.0.1-1 |
| 02:36.10 | rue_house | I only upgrade every 4-5 years, so its pain nomatter whats I'm comming from or going to |
| 02:36.11 | karlpinc | jordanm: (Well, there have been 5 upgrades _of_ stable.) |
| 02:36.18 | jordanm | rue_house: looks like only one |
| 02:37.15 | jordanm | karlpinc: yeah, but those are only for security and RC bug fixes |
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| 02:37.39 | karlpinc | jordanm: No, I mean from one stable to the next. |
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| 02:38.30 | jordanm | ah, yeah. looking through the archives, there have been two grave postgres data loss bugs |
| 02:38.33 | Dsbeerf | Hello i have a problem when i run certain thing on debian it say errorhandler: command not found |
| 02:38.42 | Dsbeerf | whish package i need to install for errorhandler ? |
| 02:38.46 | jordanm | i doubt either made into a stable release |
| 02:39.04 | karlpinc | !tell Dsbeerf about apt-file |
| 02:39.36 | karlpinc | jordanm: Postgres itself is always _really_ good about not losing data. |
| 02:40.36 | jordanm | Dsbeerf: errorhandler would be a very generic application name.. where did you see/hear of a command called that? |
| 02:41.43 | Kurin | I think ubuntu comes with a very complex .profile that includes some syntax that if you type a command that's not found in PATH, it runs some python program |
| 02:41.58 | Kurin | which will try to guess what you meant, and tell you if it's in a package you haven't installed |
| 02:42.16 | jordanm | thats in the debian /etc/profile as of squeeze |
| 02:42.20 | jordanm | package: command-not-found |
| 02:43.41 | jordanm | that uses the new command_not_found_handle (which I *think* is new in bash 4) |
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| 02:54.12 | hackel | Is there any way to chain commands to apt-get and/or aptitude (e.g. to automatically perform an update prior to install/dist-upgrade), and thus avoid reading the package lists/building dependency tree twice? |
| 02:54.43 | dondelelcaro | hackel: start up the curses interface |
| 02:55.10 | dondelelcaro | hackel: but after updating, you're going ot have to rebuild the dependency tree anyway |
| 02:56.00 | jordanm | sounds like what yum does |
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| 02:58.54 | hackel | dondelelcaro: Heh, yes I suppose I would. I created an alias agi='aptitude update; aptitude install' and I was just looking for a way to speed it up. |
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| 03:02.57 | jordanm | hackel: aptitude install apticron and be happy |
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| 03:03.27 | jordanm | daily "update", email notifications for upgrade time |
| 03:05.01 | karlpinc | hackel: I find apt-cacher the best way to speed it up. Nothing like getting rid of network latency. |
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| 03:06.12 | karlpinc | just wishes I could get aptitude to shut up. |
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| 03:08.11 | hackel | jordanm: yeah, that's probably sufficient, guess I just feel warm and fuzzy knowing it was just updated. |
| 03:09.06 | hackel | karlpinc: thanks, but it's not the actual download speed I'm worried about increasing. Besides my 3 machines are all running different versions of things at the moment. |
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| 03:09.56 | jordanm | apt-cacher should be totally deprecated in favor of apt-cacher-ng IMO |
| 03:10.12 | karlpinc | jordanm: Even in lenny? |
| 03:10.18 | jordanm | yes |
| 03:10.23 | jordanm | ,versions apt-cacher-ng |
| 03:10.24 | judd | Package apt-cacher-ng on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.2-2; squeeze: 0.5.1-2; sid: 0.5.6-1 |
| 03:10.47 | jordanm | I run the lenny version on my file server |
| 03:11.02 | jordanm | i forgot what kind of bug/limitation I hit with apt-cacher though... |
| 03:13.44 | jordanm | ah, I think it was #517874 |
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| 03:43.04 | rue_house | why does apt want to remove dpkg-ftp when I install dselect |
| 03:43.27 | rue_house | if I understand right dpkg-ftp is important to me cause my package source is an ftp site |
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| 03:47.01 | peterrooney | rue_house: `aptitude why-not dpkg-ftp' ? |
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| 03:49.58 | rue_house | apt-get install aptitude |
| 03:50.15 | rue_house | you know, I hadn't used dselect in like 6 years |
| 03:50.53 | bjk | i just recently discovered that dselect isnt needed anymore |
| 03:51.56 | rue_house | I'm gonna ditch it |
| 03:52.08 | rue_house | its been nice, I just use apt-get now |
| 03:52.10 | bjk | i mean "required" |
| 03:52.15 | bjk | yeah |
| 03:52.34 | Rusty1 | http://docs.huihoo.com/debian/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 03:52.35 | tharkun | ponders why is registered needed to join #Debian and since when it is the flag set? |
| 03:52.58 | rww | because spam |
| 03:54.00 | Arafangion | rww: Surely +v would be more practical? |
| 03:55.18 | tharkun | rww: usually |
| 03:55.29 | rww | Arafangion: +v is not a channel mode. If you meant set the channel +m and +v people... no, not really more practical. |
| 03:55.53 | tharkun | Arafangion: i believe that would be a pain do admin it but it might be a solution also |
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| 03:58.49 | rue_house | 82 |
| 03:58.57 | jordanm | rue_house: aptitude is part of a default install, people should not need to manually install it |
| 03:59.02 | jordanm | ,priority aptitude |
| 03:59.16 | jordanm | ,info aptitude |
| 03:59.16 | rue_house | hah it wasn't 10 years ago |
| 03:59.18 | judd | Package aptitude (admin, important) in lenny/i386: terminal-based package manager. Version: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; Size: 2966.3k; Installed: 9648k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/aptitude |
| 03:59.24 | Joint | hello there i was wondering is there any program that i can control my laptop fan so i can make them go faster. so my laptop does not get that hot because every time it does. debian shutdown my computer |
| 03:59.35 | jordanm | rue_house: it has been the recommend tool for upgrading since etch, and used for tasksel |
| 04:00.02 | aDuck | does anyone know of a way of using dropbox as a backup service, without having to maintain a ~/Dropbox folder with what will be duplicated files? |
| 04:00.19 | rue_house | I installed this system 10 years ago |
| 04:00.29 | jordanm | Joint: if the fans could go faster to prevent it from shutting down, it would. you should pop that thing open to ensure dust is not preventing proper air flow |
| 04:00.35 | tharkun | Joint: make sure the heat disipator is not obstructed. It is usually that simple fact that makes temperature raise above trip point 0 |
| 04:00.43 | rue_house | tho I AM wondering about file leakage |
| 04:00.56 | Joint | damn, |
| 04:00.56 | jordanm | leakage? |
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| 04:01.15 | tharkun | rue_house: What do you mean by file leakage? |
| 04:01.32 | rue_house | after 10 yeras of packages going ina dn out, how amny files are in the system that do not belong to any installed package |
| 04:01.42 | Joint | and the other think can someone help me out with splashy |
| 04:01.50 | rue_house | for all I know it could be hundreds of megs |
| 04:02.00 | Joint | I'm not finding my grub config. i don't know where is located it at is not on /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:02.16 | jordanm | possibly, because dpkg is not aware of files an application creates outside of installation |
| 04:02.24 | jordanm | Joint: what version of debian? |
| 04:02.25 | rue_house | /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 04:02.34 | Joint | nope i found it is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 04:02.34 | Joint | ;) |
| 04:02.43 | jordanm | Joint: don't edit that file |
| 04:02.47 | jordanm | Joint: what version of debian is this? |
| 04:02.52 | Joint | debian sid |
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| 04:03.01 | jordanm | Joint: /etc/default/grub |
| 04:03.12 | jordanm | update-grub after editing |
| 04:03.13 | Joint | oh ok |
| 04:03.20 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 04:03.21 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 04:03.42 | rue_house | lilo works, always has, dosn't try to be smart, has error messages that make sense |
| 04:04.20 | jordanm | rue_house: there was a big discussion about whether or not it was capable of handling modern kernel sizes. there was much talk about no longer including it, especially from the maintainer |
| 04:04.33 | jordanm | ,versions lilo |
| 04:04.34 | judd | Package lilo on i386 -- etch: 1:22.6.1-9.3; lenny: 1:22.8-7; sid: 1:22.8-8.3; squeeze: 1:22.8-8.3 |
| 04:04.41 | jordanm | looks like it made it however |
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| 04:04.44 | bjk | someone picked it up again though which is good |
| 04:04.47 | bjk | yeah |
| 04:04.55 | rue_house | no, but if you compile your own kernels around what you NEED its fine |
| 04:05.07 | jordanm | yeah, but the old maintainer was claiming that the people that picked it up were incapable |
| 04:05.37 | rue_house | intead of all this "modularized to hell so much I need a ramdisk to hold drivers so I can boot" junk :) |
| 04:05.47 | bjk | still works for me fine |
| 04:06.11 | jordanm | instead of this goodness of I don't have to spend most of my time configuring/updating new kernels... |
| 04:06.39 | jordanm | and recompiling because this application I want needs feature X, that I had no idea what feature X was until I found an application that needed |
| 04:06.46 | jordanm | I left that crap behind with gentoo |
| 04:08.01 | rue_house | I understand why grub exists, for people who cant decide on an os so they load them all onto their machine and only every use one but want to be able to boot the others not that they ever do |
| 04:08.46 | rue_house | and as you said, kernels that have every option turned on and are so bloated its the only way they can be loaded |
| 04:08.56 | rue_house | :) |
| 04:09.22 | rue_house | ugh, another 63 packages and I'm testing! |
| 04:10.38 | yagoo | rue_house, if you test, it is only humane you reportbug, otherwise you just kinda rude in showing off you using testing |
| 04:11.19 | rue_house | ah sorry, been on stable forever, have to go to testing cause i want to use kompozer |
| 04:11.57 | jordanm | rue_house: why didn't you just get it from backports? |
| 04:12.17 | rue_house | cause every time I turn around the software I want isn't avil in stable |
| 04:12.22 | jordanm | seems silly to upgrade your OS for one application that doesn't do something silly like depend on a new xserver |
| 04:12.34 | rue_house | and some of my packages were 4 years old |
| 04:12.36 | jordanm | rue_house: but in this case, it is |
| 04:12.54 | jordanm | rue_house: what was wrong with them? did they stop functioning once bit rot hit 4 years? |
| 04:13.16 | rue_house | my 3 carefull upgrades left are postgres, icedove, and X |
| 04:13.51 | rue_house | the dependency threads start to become crazy when a few pacakges are 4 years old |
| 04:14.12 | jordanm | dependency threads? you mean it becomes more difficult to mix releases? |
| 04:14.33 | rue_house | no, but I do compile the ocasional program that isn't otherwise available |
| 04:14.40 | jordanm | points out there is now even lenny-backports-sloppy, for packages targetted at wheezy |
| 04:14.51 | jordanm | rue_house: have you filed RFPs for those packages? |
| 04:15.03 | rue_house | nope |
| 04:15.07 | jordanm | why not? |
| 04:15.22 | rue_house | I'm an oddball, prolly the only person who wants it |
| 04:15.36 | rue_house | that and I do make the accasional utility program |
| 04:15.49 | Arafangion | rue_house: I don't know if grub can boot all OS's, though. |
| 04:15.55 | rue_house | so I need dev libs that have features introduced int eh last 2 yeras |
| 04:16.11 | rue_house | I thought that was its bragging point? |
| 04:16.54 | Arafangion | What rue means is that he runs a mixed system - and figuring out the inter-release-dependencies gets crazy after a number of years of running such a system. |
| 04:17.00 | rue_house | I'm talking too much, this is making me believe there is a troll sign forming over my head... |
| 04:17.01 | Arafangion | Right? |
| 04:17.18 | rue_house | well I only been doing it for 10 years |
| 04:17.46 | rue_house | but I'm drawing a line! this will be my complete update to testing! |
| 04:18.05 | Arafangion | *upgrade |
| 04:18.43 | rue_house | I have to convert all my programs to use alsa :( |
| 04:18.59 | jordanm | rue_house: no, I just feel many have a misconception that old means that it must be upgraded. many of those people also have no reason for wanting/needing the newer packages, and they offer nothing in terms of bug reports for testing, only more support for channel. I like to promote the use of stable that debian-release puts much hard work into |
| 04:19.00 | rue_house | the xmms replacements suck :( |
| 04:19.02 | tharkun | rue_house: check bpo first it might save you a few headaches |
| 04:19.04 | jordanm | rue_house: alsa-oss |
| 04:19.08 | Arafangion | jordanm: I will second that. |
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| 04:19.31 | xuser | rue_house: upgrade your brain while you are at it |
| 04:19.49 | elliott | Is there a short howto anywhere on compiling the libc package? It's... rather tangled, and all I want to do is add a single configure option (and also build it for i386, not my native amd64). |
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| 04:19.57 | rue_house | I just want to not be running frankendebian for just a little while |
| 04:20.03 | jordanm | xuser: lets keep it civil |
| 04:20.30 | Arafangion | elliott: No, it's a very fundamental package, more so than the kernel. Infact, there's a school of thought that says that the libc is _more_ important than the kernel. |
| 04:20.43 | jordanm | elliott: libc is *not* something you want to upgrade outside of a release upgrade. what option are you looking to add? |
| 04:20.46 | Arafangion | elliott: Linux is highly unusual in that it's easier to use a different kernel version than a different libc. |
| 04:21.17 | elliott | Arafangion: Yes, thanks, but I don't want to install my own libc. |
| 04:21.29 | elliott | Arafangion: I merely want to create the .deb of it, as is done to create the pre-built binary .debs of the libc. |
| 04:21.50 | elliott | I know what I'm doing, I've built Debian packages before, it's just that glibc's build system is... tangled. |
| 04:21.51 | jordanm | elliott: what configure option are wanting to add? |
| 04:21.53 | Arafangion | elliott: One presumes that such a .deb would be installed? |
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| 04:22.28 | Arafangion | elliott: The libc is the single most problematic part of a linux system in terms of stability and performance. |
| 04:22.30 | elliott | jordanm: --enable-kernel=2.4. Don't ask... |
| 04:22.56 | elliott | Arafangion: I really don't need a lecture on what the libc is, I'm well aware and perfectly competent. Such a .deb will not be installed on this system, no, nor on any actual non-chrooted OS installation of another system. |
| 04:22.56 | jordanm | elliott: if a package is no easily recompiled, it should have a README.source. if it does not, file a bug |
| 04:23.06 | Arafangion | elliott: Hmm, sounds like you're trying to get an old binary package to link? |
| 04:23.11 | elliott | Arafangion: Nope. |
| 04:23.38 | jordanm | !tell elliott about package recompile |
| 04:23.39 | Arafangion | elliott: Putting it into a chroot system sounds very sensible. :) |
| 04:23.45 | jordanm | !tell elliott about qemu-buildpackage |
| 04:24.12 | elliott | jordanm: That second one didn't come through. |
| 04:24.13 | jordanm | well, dpkg doesn't know about qemu-buildpacakge, but its own documenation does... |
| 04:24.26 | elliott | jordanm: But, uh, does dpkg-buildpackage let me add things to the configure options? |
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| 04:24.48 | elliott | jordanm: Oh, and I want the lenny source, even though I'm on squeeze -- do I have to edit my sources.list or is there another way? |
| 04:24.51 | jordanm | elliott: is it too much trouble to read the damn factoid I send you? |
| 04:24.56 | elliott | I did. |
| 04:25.16 | jordanm | well, follow up on the other things you can ask him about on the topic |
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| 04:25.29 | jordanm | such as /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 04:25.51 | jordanm | eg. step 4 |
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| 04:26.00 | jordanm | "ask me about <debian/rules>" |
| 04:26.06 | elliott | Yes, I have. |
| 04:26.25 | Arafangion | thinks jordanm must be frustrated. |
| 04:26.28 | elliott | As far as I can tell, though, none of them answers my lenny source package on squeeze question... |
| 04:26.44 | jordanm | elliott: then why are you still asking how to change configuration options? |
| 04:26.49 | jordanm | !debian/rules |
| 04:26.49 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. <makefile> |
| 04:26.57 | elliott | I stopped doing that after I had read that info file. |
| 04:27.22 | rue_house | this new kernel is really good on ram usage, wonder what they did |
| 04:28.14 | Arafangion | rue_house: There's been a lot of work in that area as of teh past year. |
| 04:28.26 | Arafangion | rue_house: That said, what do you mean by "reall good"? |
| 04:28.30 | Arafangion | *really |
| 04:28.45 | rue_house | I THINK I was suffering from memory fragmentation issues |
| 04:29.08 | rue_house | I have a greedy prime numbers program I would use every so often to push evrything into swap to sort it all out |
| 04:29.18 | Arafangion | That's more of a libc issue than a kernel issue. |
| 04:29.29 | Arafangion | But you can mitigate that by customizing how you do your allocs in your program. |
| 04:29.31 | rue_house | meh, the memory usage is staying lower than I'v ever seen it |
| 04:29.45 | rue_house | maybe its the 'nv' video drivers too, dunno |
| 04:29.45 | elliott | I think it might be sliiightly dangerous to swap in lenny repositories to source the package while on squeeze... |
| 04:29.46 | elliott | Hmm. |
| 04:29.48 | Arafangion | Of your program? |
| 04:29.58 | jordanm | !dget |
| 04:30.11 | rue_house | hmm? |
| 04:30.14 | jordanm | elliott: dget <source package> |
| 04:30.19 | Arafangion | elliott: Personally as long as they're only source packages, should be fine. |
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| 04:30.26 | jordanm | !pdo |
| 04:30.26 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 04:30.55 | elliott | jordanm: yeah, but then i have to unpack the .bz2s and apply the patches etc. myself, and I trust apt more :) I'll just chaneg my repos. |
| 04:30.58 | elliott | *change |
| 04:31.09 | jordanm | elliott: why do you make that assumption? |
| 04:31.14 | elliott | jordanm: because i tried it |
| 04:31.20 | jordanm | elliott: you did it wrong |
| 04:31.27 | jordanm | dpkg-source knows what its doing |
| 04:31.36 | elliott | well i downloaded it from p.d.o |
| 04:31.43 | jordanm | dget -u if you cant figure out how to work dpkg-source... |
| 04:31.44 | elliott | I'm not sure what package the dget tool is in; certainly not "dget" |
| 04:31.53 | jordanm | !tell elliott about apt-file |
| 04:32.05 | elliott | I know about apt-file... I was going to try it. |
| 04:32.26 | rue_house | apt-file is a must if your trying to compile something |
| 04:32.29 | jordanm | its called on a URL to a .dsc |
| 04:32.58 | elliott | Oh, it's in devscripts. Forgot to install that. |
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| 04:35.07 | Arafangion | *sigh* - mac keyboards are frustrating. |
| 04:35.18 | jordanm | also a must for compiling packages |
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| 04:44.05 | peterrooney | Arafangion: it's the misplaced dots on the home row that keep getting me |
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| 04:45.21 | arctanx | newbie packaging question... if I want to install a newer version of a package than comes with debian, am I best off starting with the old version's source package/dsc and trying to mould it into a new version so I can build a .deb? |
| 04:45.21 | rhisa | Hi. <3~ |
| 04:45.31 | arctanx | is that or something else the standard way of solving "I have a newer version but only in tarball format"? |
| 04:46.32 | jordanm | arctanx: which package? is it available from backports? |
| 04:46.59 | arctanx | it's a hypothetical question right now but I've run into the problem with pidgin before |
| 04:47.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | arctanx: some packages from testing/unstable recompile without changes |
| 04:47.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | (pidgin is not likely to be one of them) |
| 04:47.49 | arctanx | nods |
| 04:47.53 | jordanm | arctanx: pidgin is available from backports |
| 04:47.54 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 04:47.54 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:48.01 | jordanm | arctanx: that contains all your answers |
| 04:48.16 | jordanm | (and the knowledge to understand those answers) |
| 04:48.22 | arctanx | lovely, thanks guys |
| 04:49.00 | Neo|Desktop | greetings everyone |
| 04:49.38 | rue_house | eek, this I didn't expect, icedove segfaults |
| 04:49.50 | Neo|Desktop | i seem to be having some sound problems -- after running alsaconf i seem to be getting the following error: |
| 04:49.54 | Neo|Desktop | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 04:50.18 | Neo|Desktop | alsamixer throws this error as well -- amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 04:51.42 | Neo|Desktop | not sure whats up :S alsaconf should be setting up the soundcard config up right, yet i'm getting no sound whatsoever :# |
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| 04:55.06 | Neo|Desktop | any ideas? :3 |
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| 04:57.32 | rue_house | !! and the icedove upgrade deleted all the email! |
| 05:00.46 | rue_house | zippo:~$ icedove |
| 05:00.46 | rue_house | /usr/lib/icedove/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10603 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} :( |
| 05:01.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | how do you know it deleted the mail if it won't run? |
| 05:01.30 | elliott | So hey, is there an easy way to get Linux 2.4 headers? :-) |
| 05:01.47 | rue_house | cause I ran locate for a folder and its only showing up where I backed it up |
| 05:02.02 | rue_house | elliott, ftp.kernel.org? |
| 05:02.16 | elliott | rue_house: Perhaps... |
| 05:02.24 | elliott | takes a look |
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| 05:05.44 | martinmike2 | needs help getting webDAV to allow write in webmin + virtualmin setup |
| 05:06.00 | rue_house | hey the postgres upgrade didn't dleete all my data!, thats 2/6! |
| 05:06.45 | rww | lol |
| 05:07.12 | rue_house | mabe fate thought losing all my email was enough for one day |
| 05:07.30 | rue_house | I still ahve to upgrade X without installing every video driver ever made |
| 05:12.26 | rue_house | how do I get around a package wanting to install all xorg video drivers? |
| 05:12.44 | rue_house | and busybox, and an older kernel |
| 05:14.35 | martinmike2 | if someone knows how to get Webmin to allow webDAV to have write access, it would be awsome if they would help a semi-noob |
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| 05:16.44 | yagoo | not him again |
| 05:16.54 | yagoo | closes his eyes |
| 05:17.03 | flaccid | i'm trying to find which partition type and fs type is recommended for a boot partition for debian? anything in doc? |
| 05:17.26 | Neo|Desktop | flaccid: i've always used ext2 or ext3 |
| 05:17.58 | Neo|Desktop | simply because of backwards compatibility and ease of resortation in the case of any catostrophic failures |
| 05:17.59 | flaccid | Neo|Desktop: same. i just see a lot of people using fat, i assume to negate any possible posix/unix perms issues |
| 05:18.06 | yagoo | LOL |
| 05:18.26 | yagoo | says flaccid was pointing to an IRIX mkpart article and was crying about it not being on linux (#linux) |
| 05:18.42 | flaccid | i recommend ignoring yagoo, its a troll |
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| 05:18.50 | Neo|Desktop | lol |
| 05:18.54 | Neo|Desktop | i can tell |
| 05:18.55 | yagoo | flaccid, you burned everyone on #linux.. i take the last laugh |
| 05:19.04 | flaccid | putting on ignore |
| 05:19.20 | yagoo | no i think you called everyone a "dick" on #linux.. that was rude. |
| 05:19.53 | flaccid | i'll be publishing debian squeeze AMIs in ec2 in the next couple of days including using native debian kernel |
| 05:20.21 | yagoo | flaccid is a newb and disrespects with name calling. I can't help him anymore. |
| 05:20.23 | rue_house | is there a way to see the layout of a packages dependencies |
| 05:20.31 | flaccid | i'm using the hd(0,0) in pvgrub with a /boot partition. just making the little decisions on things like fs types |
| 05:20.33 | rue_house | in like a tree? |
| 05:20.49 | rue_house | I'm not installing every x video driver ever made! |
| 05:21.17 | rue_house | I can do this out by hand, but gee |
| 05:25.14 | flaccid | in the doc, ext2 i used in the /boot example with encrypted lvm |
| 05:25.49 | flaccid | i think thats enough for me to decide on ext2, and i'll make it 128mb so users can reboot with other kernels installed if they want to |
| 05:26.26 | martinmike2 | if someone knows how to get Webmin to allow webDAV to have write access, it would be awsome if they would help a semi-noob |
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| 05:28.10 | peterrooney | rue_house: it's not at all a tree, it's a graph. i suspect trying to present a graph as a tree would be an exercise in head-meets-desk. |
| 05:28.23 | rue_house | I have a package to start from |
| 05:28.33 | rue_house | I do this by hand all the time |
| 05:28.35 | rue_house | its a tree |
| 05:28.44 | rue_house | each package has a few others it depends on |
| 05:28.50 | rue_house | each of those etc etc |
| 05:28.59 | flaccid | anyone know if its possible to do partman non interactive to create a partition ? |
| 05:29.29 | rue_house | use ... oh whats it called... |
| 05:29.31 | peterrooney | rue_house: oh, i see. was overthinking the problem. |
| 05:29.40 | rue_house | there is a command line program you can script |
| 05:29.58 | flaccid | the problem is that parted has issues with ec2 ebs volumes |
| 05:30.36 | peterrooney | rue_house: apt-cache show <pkg> | awk ' /^Depends/ {some magic}' |
| 05:30.48 | rue_house | then you have to do that for each of those |
| 05:31.39 | peterrooney | debtree? |
| 05:31.45 | rue_house | Oooo... |
| 05:34.08 | peterrooney | rue_house: apparently, you're not the first person to ask this question. |
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| 05:46.31 | rue_house | aha, a purely virutual package that gets me around installing every video driver |
| 05:46.59 | trebuchet | Does the installer for Squeeze, for cryptsetup, allow for aes-xts? |
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| 05:47.49 | rue_house | hah ok wait a sec |
| 05:48.30 | rue_house | I cant install xserver-xorg-video-nv without installing xserver-xorg which requires xserver-xorg-video-all!? |
| 05:48.36 | rue_house | wtf |
| 05:50.21 | flaccid | AWS US-West EBS Snapshot debian-pv-grub-hd00-10GB 101031-0548 made public (snap-35088d5e), 128MB Linux, 8GB Linux, remaining swap. |
| 05:50.51 | trebuchet | flaccid: 64mb should be enough |
| 05:51.14 | trebuchet | 48mb would work, but I always see >32mb |
| 05:51.14 | flaccid | trebuchet: its if they want to go crazy and test out many kernels via reboots |
| 05:51.42 | trebuchet | flaccid: Well, since you're doing LVM/encryption, can you tell me if AES256-XTS is available to Squeeze through d-i? |
| 05:51.54 | trebuchet | CBC-ESSIV is not what I want |
| 05:52.02 | flaccid | trebuchet: i don't believe i am doing lvm encryption; don't need it |
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| 05:53.14 | mordocai | rue_house: welcome to the wonderful world of dependencies :P. I believe you might be able to get around with some force type options, though. |
| 05:53.27 | rue_house | oh yea |
| 05:53.54 | rue_house | not sure _I_ know where to start untangling this tho |
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| 05:54.37 | rue_house | is there a --no-sanity-or-dependency-checks-for-this-operation flag? |
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| 05:54.59 | rue_house | somehow it wants to install a kernel and headers |
| 05:55.04 | rue_house | I cant see where thats comming from |
| 05:56.38 | Neo|Desktop | oh dear, what have i done... compiling mythtv on a p4 with 128 mb of ram is a horrible thing to do |
| 05:57.02 | mordocai | Neo|Desktop: I quite agree! |
| 05:57.20 | Neo|Desktop | :P |
| 05:59.53 | aDuck | does anyone know of a way of using dropbox as a backup service, without having to maintain a ~/Dropbox folder with what will be duplicated files? |
| 06:03.41 | Neo|Desktop | rue_house: man apt-get doesn't show a switch to turn of dependency checking.. perhaps dpkg install your odd package? or if worts comes to worst edit the dependencies in the .deb yourself (read: not recomended). there sould be a proper way to install a apackage without having to install said videodrivers known to man kind :p |
| 06:04.35 | rue_house | nods |
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| 06:05.52 | rue_house | starts with --download-only |
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| 06:11.16 | rue_house | can I get apt-get to forget about finishing the last install i asked for? |
| 06:13.25 | homie | why ? |
| 06:13.47 | homie | does the package not install cleanly ? |
| 06:13.51 | homie | then just remove it again |
| 06:13.57 | homie | err purge it i man |
| 06:14.01 | homie | s/man/mean |
| 06:14.05 | rue_house | its needed |
| 06:14.20 | rue_house | its not installed, its the old version the new ver failed on dependency |
| 06:14.28 | rue_house | I need to clear its throat for a min |
| 06:15.15 | rue_house | :) does it keep package stats in a text file? |
| 06:16.08 | homie | stop the update and purge that thing, then goto /var/lib/dpkg/ there you will see available,status and other things look for the package's you wanted to install, if you have to make a change to the deps manually you are on your own though normally |
| 06:16.38 | homie | err i mean don't purge, else you won't find the package maybe in the available or status things |
| 06:18.07 | rue_house | hmm |
| 06:18.37 | rue_house | synaptic says the package is broken, I know the install didnt start, I cant find where its flagged as broken |
| 06:18.50 | rue_house | dpkg must have flagged it |
| 06:18.50 | dpkg | rue_house: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:20.38 | rue_house | --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 06:20.49 | homie | maybe |
| 06:21.54 | homie | apt -o APT::DPkg::Optons="--force-all" install blah could do it too |
| 06:22.07 | homie | s/Optons/Options/ |
| 06:22.23 | rue_house | uh |
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| 06:47.02 | rue_house | maybe I just have to tear out all of X and reinstall it |
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| 06:56.23 | Talon_ | wheres gedits settings saved? I tried to edit a perl script i've been working on and for some unknown reason gedit quit, and wont start again.. I opened a terminal and tried gedit and it immediately quits with "Segmentation fault" so i'm assuming it tries to re-load the last file that was open.. I need to clear this |
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| 07:03.29 | rue_house | sorry I use nedit |
| 07:03.55 | _snowball | Talon_, can gconf do it? |
| 07:04.21 | _snowball | Talon_, /apps/gedit-2 |
| 07:04.54 | Talon_ | omg this is tickin me off, i removed everything with the name gedit in my ~and its still seg faulting :/ |
| 07:05.00 | Talon_ | I was just using the dang thing |
| 07:05.51 | _snowball | Talon_, gconf: /apps/gedit-2 |
| 07:06.00 | _snowball | Have you tried logging out? |
| 07:06.39 | Talon_ | no |
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| 07:12.00 | Talon_ | weird, a buncha stuff wouldn't work like synapic, etc.. I tried loggin out and it just went into a mad cycle of trying to start gdm, failing, retrying, etc.. I had to hard-reset the system.. but now everything seems to be working |
| 07:12.11 | _snowball | Cool. |
| 07:12.13 | _snowball | :P |
| 07:12.24 | _snowball | Ghost in the machine. |
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| 07:15.10 | Talon_ | i guess |
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| 07:23.10 | Neo|Desktop | jees, i'm gonna have to let myth tv compile over night o.o |
| 07:23.17 | Neo|Desktop | didn't think it would take this long |
| 07:23.29 | Neo|Desktop | but its moving slower than molasis |
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| 07:47.28 | rue_house | apt-file says that I should have a /usr/sbin/alsaconf but I dont |
| 07:47.38 | rue_house | the package is installed... |
| 07:47.41 | cahoot | should be obsoleted |
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| 07:47.52 | rue_house | how do I configure alsa? |
| 07:48.02 | rue_house | (its not working) |
| 07:48.03 | cahoot | should be automagic |
| 07:48.11 | rue_house | automagic is BAD |
| 07:48.21 | rue_house | sound is not working |
| 07:48.25 | cahoot | run speaker-test in a terminal |
| 07:48.26 | rue_house | I have the drivers loaded |
| 07:48.45 | rue_house | Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_oss.so |
| 07:48.46 | rue_house | ? |
| 07:49.10 | cahoot | speaker-test syas so? |
| 07:49.19 | rue_house | yes |
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| 07:50.08 | rue_house | libasound2-plugins wasn't installed... |
| 07:50.22 | rue_house | LSA lib pcm_oss.c:397:(_snd_pcm_oss_open) Cannot open device /dev/dsp |
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| 07:50.29 | rue_house | why does alsa need oss? |
| 07:50.35 | cahoot | yes -why |
| 07:50.43 | rue_house | oss rules |
| 07:50.55 | cahoot | seem you have some strange setup |
| 07:50.57 | rue_house | alsa sucks, cause automagic never works |
| 07:51.18 | rigved | hi everyone |
| 07:52.16 | rigved | can anyone tell me why empathy does not have the option to connect to an IRC network? |
| 07:52.25 | rigved | i am using debian lenny |
| 07:52.27 | cahoot | rue_house: and you're wrong - for me sound has always worked OOTB since lenny |
| 07:53.07 | rigved | currently connected via xchat-gnome |
| 07:53.19 | rue_house | automagic is bad, cause there is no way to fix it when its wrong |
| 07:53.29 | cahoot | rue_house: and you're wrong again |
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| 07:53.36 | dissidentss | echo "" > importantfile.txt |
| 07:53.41 | dissidentss | need some help recovering this... |
| 07:53.45 | dissidentss | anyone have suggestions? |
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| 07:55.05 | cahoot | rue_house: did you at some point install oss(4)? |
| 07:55.14 | rue_house | I just upgraded from it |
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| 07:55.27 | rue_house | it was working |
| 07:56.01 | rue_house | ALSA lib pcm_oss.c:397:(_snd_pcm_oss_open) Cannot open device /dev/dsp |
| 07:56.01 | cahoot | upgraded from what? |
| 07:56.18 | rue_house | does it matter, its testing now |
| 07:56.44 | cahoot | installing oss4 blows away your alsa |
| 07:56.59 | rue_house | I dont have oss4, I'm on debian |
| 07:57.11 | cahoot | <cahoot> rue_house: did you at some point install oss(4)? |
| 07:57.11 | rue_house | debian no longer offers oss |
| 07:57.11 | cahoot | <rue_house> I just upgraded from it |
| 07:57.17 | rue_house | oh |
| 07:57.25 | rue_house | sorry, from oss, not oss4 |
| 07:57.39 | rue_house | what alsa packages do you have installed? |
| 07:58.03 | rue_house | alsamixer is working |
| 07:58.04 | _fliXR- | if i run /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils start it sets cpufreq governor to powersave but after a reboot it resides on ondemand. is there any log file where i can see if the script was started at boottime? |
| 07:58.07 | rue_house | for both cards |
| 07:59.27 | rigved | can anyone tell me how to add an IRC network in empathy on Debian lenny? |
| 07:59.35 | cahoot | rue_house: so if you cat /proc/asound/cards you see two cards listed? |
| 07:59.59 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.00 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.00 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.00 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.15 | rue_house | yea, ok 3 lines... |
| 08:00.36 | dissidentss | guess I'm screwed :( |
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| 08:01.50 | cahoot | rue_house: no 'old' oss related module loaded? |
| 08:02.15 | rue_house | no, I just removed the packages for the oss compat stuff |
| 08:02.38 | rue_house | I think I might be missing a kernel module tho |
| 08:02.48 | rue_house | is there not still one called 'sound' |
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| 08:02.50 | rue_house | ? |
| 08:03.28 | cahoot | I can't understand why speaker-test would ask for snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:03.30 | rue_house | mpg123-alsa is happily sending data somewehre |
| 08:03.48 | rue_house | its not now... |
| 08:03.52 | rue_house | but I have no noise |
| 08:03.58 | cahoot | so you have som aound app running? |
| 08:04.10 | rue_house | speakertest now |
| 08:04.39 | cahoot | how about the mpg123-alsa you mentioned above - still running? |
| 08:04.42 | rue_house | Write error: -1,Operation not permitted |
| 08:04.42 | rue_house | xrun_recovery failed: -1,Operation not permitted |
| 08:04.47 | rue_house | no it finished |
| 08:05.01 | rue_house | oooh sound users? |
| 08:05.10 | cahoot | rue_house: (as root) fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 08:05.42 | rue_house | oh root isn't listed |
| 08:06.04 | cahoot | rue_house: (as root) fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - anything listed? |
| 08:06.24 | rue_house | just my user |
| 08:06.43 | rue_house | /dev/snd/controlC0: rue 4983 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 08:07.03 | cahoot | rue_house: try this as root: alsa force-reload |
| 08:07.17 | cahoot | then speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 08:07.29 | rue_house | OOoo. |
| 08:07.59 | rue_house | hey hey |
| 08:08.19 | rue_house | :) |
| 08:08.26 | rue_house | the default device is wrong tho |
| 08:08.30 | rue_house | needs to be the other card |
| 08:09.02 | cahoot | give its module index 0 then (in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa(base) |
| 08:09.17 | cahoot | forgot what file |
| 08:10.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.00 | rue_house | yep, trying to work out the line I should give it... |
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| 08:11.46 | rue_house | but alsa dosnt load hte modules, the kernel does |
| 08:12.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.15 | rue_house | the modules are loaded by /etc/modules |
| 08:12.17 | cahoot | the alsamodules come with the kernel |
| 08:12.39 | rue_house | mine are loaded by /etc/modules, not loaded by alsa |
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| 08:13.15 | cahoot | rue_house: you're confusing matters |
| 08:13.38 | rue_house | is that file for module paramiters or for a ref for alsa |
| 08:13.50 | rue_house | if its module paramiters it cant go there |
| 08:14.31 | rue_house | er I see, those are the .. ok |
| 08:14.47 | rue_house | modprobe ueses the whole dirs amalgimaged params |
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| 08:21.44 | rue_house | bah gonna see if this thing still reboots properly |
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| 08:28.22 | botmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.34 | botmind | Lastly, when I play any aduio file, when there supposed to be silence, I am hearing something like the "white noise", it's not loud, but enough to be noticable.. |
| 08:30.27 | cahoot | botmind: cat /proc/asound/cards - the expected card listed? |
| 08:32.12 | botmind | cahoot: well yes I suppose, in Kmix I am having even additional AC97 control (which doesn't affect anything though), but there is no Master at all! only Master Mono which also doesn't do anything |
| 08:33.08 | cahoot | botmind: I suppose alsamixer doesn't offer more possibilites? |
| 08:34.00 | cahoot | botmind: it might the case your 'soundcard' has incomplete support in your running kernels alsaversion |
| 08:34.27 | Bushmills | the mixer giving me the highest number of sliders, active or not, is gamix |
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| 08:35.17 | Bushmills | maybe yoju can try to pull all outputs which don't seem to be useful to their lowest position, see whether you catch a noisy one |
| 08:35.18 | cahoot | ditto |
| 08:36.23 | botmind | cahoot: does alsamixer have graphical interface? when I launched it in the consol I've gotten "dos-style" application.. it looks pretty much the same, but it has the Master control! But it's marked as red, like it's disabled I guess and is set to 0 |
| 08:37.07 | cahoot | well function is more use than looks in this case |
| 08:37.37 | botmind | cahoot: sorry, the red was meaning that it's under control now.. but I can't really control it.. |
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| 08:39.36 | cahoot | botmind: some cards need an extra moduleoption this file might help: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz |
| 08:40.43 | cahoot | /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz might be more to the point |
| 08:40.52 | botmind | cahoot: yes, I've already found some.. there is so called "AC97 Quirk" instructions, but they are to solve some different problems then mine.. that's why I came here |
| 08:41.00 | cahoot | oh ok |
| 08:42.20 | botmind | cahoot: I'm having only the first file |
| 08:43.06 | cahoot | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt |
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| 08:44.10 | botmind | cahoot: thx! last question, how do I reload a module after editing /ect/modprobe.d/ without reboot? |
| 08:44.29 | cahoot | botmind: alsa? then alsa force-reload |
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| 08:45.12 | cahoot | botmind: else modprobe -r <module>; modprobe <module> |
| 08:45.42 | botmind | cahoot: thx! |
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| 08:46.20 | botmind | cahoot: so with reloading any module it scans for all config files in /etc/modprobe.d/ directory? |
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| 08:47.14 | cahoot | botmind: to answer to that |
| 08:47.19 | cahoot | no answer |
| 08:48.36 | botmind | cahoot: hm.. it's just it says I need to edit file /etc/modprobe.d/options but there is no such a file.. only alsa-base, sound in particular |
| 08:48.53 | cahoot | botmind: create it |
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| 08:54.46 | botmind | cahoot: modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 makes changes after I've done those options.. ok thanks again, I will be experimenting.. |
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| 08:57.33 | cahoot | botmind: my bad - jumping to conclusions here - presumed an hda-intel. intel8x0 should be well supported |
| 08:59.04 | botmind | cahoot: hmmm after this setting and reload, I'm having no sound at all! even after I've reverted changes back and reloaded again - still big red cross over the kmix's panel and no mixer to choose.. |
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| 08:59.48 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.35 | botmind | cahoot: worked! |
| 09:02.12 | cahoot | but still low volume? |
| 09:06.08 | botmind | cahoot: yes, well it's not that low! but with my previous PC I had Master Control which was increasing the volume even when PCM was on it's max |
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| 09:13.00 | botmind | cahoot: Noatun plays really lound though |
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| 09:18.57 | cahoot | botmind: you run kde? |
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| 09:37.01 | Talon_ | what are some console commands to print the size of your drive and available space? anything else other than df ? |
| 09:38.08 | Bushmills | di |
| 09:38.33 | cahoot | du? |
| 09:38.45 | Bushmills | discus |
| 09:40.07 | Talon_ | di and discus = command not found, du is just crazy lol I would have sworn I used a command other than df a long time ago that just told you the size of / and how much was in use / free |
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| 09:40.30 | Bushmills | !notfound |
| 09:41.54 | cvrse | i'd like to be able to change profiles on the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor applet without having to enter the root password everytime, i've tried SUID to /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector but this has no effect. any ideas? |
| 09:43.38 | Talon_ | cvrse, you could modify /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.gnome.cpufreqselector.policy i believe |
| 09:45.50 | Talon_ | yea, down at the bottom where it says <allow_active>auth_admin_keep</allowactive> just change auth_admin_keep to yes |
| 09:46.35 | Talon_ | that'll be for all users tho, that means any user can use the cpu scaler without entering the root password |
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| 09:47.03 | richo | is there a reason there's no linux-kbuild-2.6.36 package? |
| 09:47.28 | cvrse | Talon_, thanks alot, thats done it nicely |
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| 09:48.11 | Talon_ | no problem :) I hate being asked my root password for everything also hehe, theres quite a few of those policies i modified |
| 09:49.02 | cvrse | yup now that i know what to look for i'll have a dig around in there for a few other annoyances that wont pose much of a risk |
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| 10:00.06 | hellnest | anyone know how to avoid undetected hardware on installation progress? So we can make the progress successful |
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| 10:03.27 | niram | hey guys, i'm in deep shit |
| 10:03.39 | niram | i have accidentally removed almost everything from /dev |
| 10:03.50 | niram | i don't have a backup |
| 10:03.56 | niram | how can this be recreated? |
| 10:04.11 | niram | will simply rebooting do it? |
| 10:04.50 | hellnest | niram: try reboot first |
| 10:05.25 | niram | and if it doesn't work? |
| 10:05.31 | niram | this is a remote.. production server |
| 10:05.51 | niram | i see /dev is excluded from the backup |
| 10:06.05 | hellnest | niram: recover it using recovery CD such as parted magic or something similiar like that |
| 10:06.33 | niram | ok, i'll try rebooting |
| 10:06.45 | SwedeMike | are you running devfs? |
| 10:06.50 | niram | debian lenny |
| 10:06.52 | SwedeMike | and udev? |
| 10:06.56 | hellnest | anyway do anyone know here how to skip hardware check on installation progress?? |
| 10:06.59 | niram | standard debian lenny |
| 10:07.00 | SwedeMike | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.15 | SwedeMike | that is my lenny as well, so I'd imagine it'll be recreated upon reboot |
| 10:07.15 | cahoot | just try udevadm trigger? |
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| 10:08.59 | niram | it does run, it lists a lot of stuff like: /devices/pnp0/00:0a |
| 10:08.59 | niram | /devices/pnp0/00:0b |
| 10:08.59 | niram | /devices/pnp0/00:0c |
| 10:08.59 | niram | /block/dm-0 |
| 10:08.59 | niram | /block/dm-1 |
| 10:08.59 | niram | /block/dm-2 |
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| 10:09.41 | niram | ok, sorry for that |
| 10:09.57 | niram | as i was saying, it lists devices but it does not populate /dev |
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| 10:13.00 | cahoot | what's 'it'? |
| 10:13.45 | niram | udevadm trigger |
| 10:13.56 | cahoot | ok |
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| 10:15.24 | cahoot | niram: how about /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
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| 10:15.55 | niram | still nothing |
| 10:16.17 | niram | ls /dev |
| 10:16.17 | niram | initctl null pts shm |
| 10:16.43 | cahoot | niram: how about /etc/init.d/udev force-reload? |
| 10:17.06 | niram | the same |
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| 10:17.16 | niram | i will try rebooting.. hopefully it will work |
| 10:18.25 | niram | if it doesn |
| 10:18.31 | niram | i'm screwed |
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| 10:22.40 | niram | reboot seems to have fixed everything :D |
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| 10:59.46 | sedulous | what's that apt "diff" package downlodaer called again? i forgot... |
| 10:59.51 | sedulous | *downloader |
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| 11:00.13 | sedulous | apt-delta or something |
| 11:01.25 | hiwk | how can I install debian testing with a later kernel? I have built a 2.6.36 kernel I think will be suitable, but how do I inject that into the installation sequece? |
| 11:01.37 | sedulous | dpkg -i yourkernel.deb |
| 11:01.37 | dpkg | installs yourkernel.deb into sedulous's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:01.59 | hiwk | I want to use my kernel from day 0 in my new install |
| 11:01.59 | sedulous | hiwk: just install your kernel .deb with dpkg |
| 11:02.04 | sedulous | oh |
| 11:02.28 | sedulous | i have no idea about that. i'd probably debootstrap and add the kernel. |
| 11:03.42 | sweetpi | !preseed |
| 11:03.42 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 11:04.28 | sweetpi | or use your own mirror |
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| 11:09.43 | sedulous | can't find anything about delta packages anymore |
| 11:10.54 | sedulous | maybe my memory is tricking me and Debian never had delta packages |
| 11:11.43 | sweetpi | sedulous: apt-listchanges ? |
| 11:11.54 | tdn | I am running apache 2 on Debian Lenny on a fit-PC (small embedded system). Thus, I would like to tune apache for low memory usage. Right now I use the default Lenny settings. Can you point me to some good docs on how to optimize for low RAM (256 MB total) or give me some pointers? |
| 11:13.03 | sedulous | sweetpi: no, that's not what i'm looking for. i want binary diff'ed packages to reduce the amount of data i have to download for updates. |
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| 11:13.59 | sedulous | like yum-presto in fedora or gentoo's dynamic deltup service (the latter is for source tarballs of course) |
| 11:14.35 | sweetpi | ah, no idea |
| 11:15.33 | sedulous | i'm on a 500 MB / day cap until i get DSL again on 2010-11-11. if i use more than 500 MB, my connection gets throttled to GPRS speed :/ |
| 11:15.46 | sedulous | ("mobile broadband") |
| 11:16.07 | sedulous | and my system's aptitude demands over 700 MB updates :-D |
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| 11:18.10 | sweetpi | !info debdelta |
| 11:19.50 | sweetpi | sedulous: ^^ |
| 11:20.11 | sweetpi | , versions debdelta |
| 11:20.13 | judd | Package debdelta on i386 -- etch: 0.19; lenny: 0.27; sid: 0.39trl; squeeze: 0.39trl |
| 11:20.39 | sedulous | ah, thanks, so obvious and i haven't seen it |
| 11:20.52 | sedulous | let's see how much it saves |
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| 11:22.39 | sedulous | looks very good |
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| 11:29.05 | ali3n0 | hi guys I've noticed a small problem with crontab migrating to squeeze, I used to prepend "time" before a few cronjobs so I got mails with time statistics,but now I get errors instead. any idea how to fix? |
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| 11:37.33 | jordanm | ali3n0: what errors? |
| 11:38.11 | ali3n0 | jordanm, /bin/sh: time: not found |
| 11:38.37 | ali3n0 | command is: time rsync -a --delete (etc...) |
| 11:38.43 | ali3n0 | from command line, it goes smoothly |
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| 11:47.13 | cahoot | give the full path? |
| 11:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ali3n0, time's a bash internal |
| 11:47.54 | ali3n0 | CutMeOwnThroat, I know. In Lenny it worked though |
| 11:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ali3n0, while /bin/sh seems to link to dash by default on squeeze |
| 11:48.10 | ali3n0 | CutMeOwnThroat, ah! let me check |
| 11:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ali3n0, specify the shell you're using in the script... sh is not supposed to have that internal |
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| 11:48.39 | ali3n0 | CutMeOwnThroat, tnx you got it |
| 11:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it only worked because sh was soft-linking to bash, which has it |
| 11:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's the script that's wrong |
| 11:49.01 | jordanm | yep, those are know as "bashisms" |
| 11:49.04 | ali3n0 | do you suggest update the /bin/sh link? |
| 11:49.27 | jordanm | ali3n0: no, he is suggested you don't try to use non POSIX shell features in /bin/sh :) |
| 11:50.05 | ali3n0 | so I have to learn dash-ism... |
| 11:50.14 | jordanm | if you use bashisms, you should always specify bash. doesn't rsync report time at the end anyways? |
| 11:50.23 | jordanm | ali3n0: its not a dashism, its POSIX standards |
| 11:50.52 | jordanm | here is a list of common ones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 11:51.10 | ali3n0 | jordanm, yes, but time is useful in some other cases to me |
| 11:51.20 | ali3n0 | jordanm, ok tnx I have a look now |
| 11:51.24 | jordanm | ali3n0: then you can use bash specifically |
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| 11:51.39 | Bushmills | there's an external "time" command, coming from debian package "time" |
| 11:52.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, yes... I wondered, I don't seem to have that installed |
| 11:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in /usr/bin/time, though, outside the default PATH for cron |
| 11:53.03 | ali3n0 | sometimes is useful to know how long does some nightly process take |
| 11:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody says it's not... |
| 11:53.18 | ali3n0 | I'll go for time packages next time |
| 11:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | just specifically use bash in the script, or install the time package |
| 11:53.42 | Bushmills | bash is good for that. SECONDS=0; run_process; echo $SECONDS |
| 11:54.19 | ali3n0 | Bushmills, nice tip! |
| 11:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I didn't know that |
| 11:54.36 | Bushmills | that's what IRC is good for |
| 11:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | that and wasting loads of time :) |
| 11:54.52 | ali3n0 | lovely irc, you saved my day as usual :) |
| 11:55.00 | ali3n0 | lunchtime |
| 11:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | while sleep 1; do echo $SECONDS; done |
| 11:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 11:56.10 | cipherz | Hello, for debian packages based upon source built with autotools is the generated config.h included in the built *-dev package ? |
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| 11:59.12 | X-Raimo | Hi! How to disable DNS lookup in SSH? |
| 11:59.20 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: depends what is considered waste of time. reading questions by other people, and replies often gives answers one didn't even think of asking. |
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| 12:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | X-Raimo, if you mean reverse lookup... man sshd_config /look up |
| 12:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh great |
| 12:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, see what I mean! |
| 12:03.49 | Bushmills | one needs the capacity of selective reading, of course |
| 12:04.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant he quit... again! |
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| 12:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3 seconds before I hit enter, too |
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| 12:04.54 | Bushmills | i find myself stashing away potentially useful hints for which i have no immediate use in a directory hierarchy, access with this script: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1288526421483641426d.png |
| 12:06.04 | Lint01 | does any one rin world od warcraft on debian? |
| 12:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use world of warcraft on debian |
| 12:06.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses world of warcraft on debian, not even the people who use it. |
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| 12:07.28 | Bushmills | even those people who use debian don't use debian. |
| 12:07.36 | Lint01 | !about |
| 12:07.37 | dpkg | Enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 12:08.25 | Lint01 | i don't get it, english isn;t my mastery language |
| 12:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don't generally do polls, it would be a bit silly if 740 people said what they use or not |
| 12:10.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, used to be about 900 couple of weeks ago |
| 12:10.25 | Lint01 | well is it possible ti run wow on debian? |
| 12:11.08 | botmind | Hi. I'm using an "old" Nvidia MX 440 graphic card. I have installed the legacy driver for it for linux-2.6.26-2 kernel. Then I've installed a pre-compiled RT enabled kernel which starts from 26.2.29 version, but there are no legacy drivers for it! Thus, with this graphical card I'm binded with the main repository kernel? |
| 12:11.59 | botmind | In other words, I cannot install new kernels? |
| 12:13.24 | botmind | Hmm.. Actually seems like I can answer myself - there seem to be a way installing the drivers under a custom kernel |
| 12:14.36 | Talon_ | I don't think so botmind.. I'm doing the same thing, tho every time I have a kernel update, I haveto stop gdm, and in console use nvidias installer to re-install my video driver which gets quite annoying lol. |
| 12:14.36 | sedulous | debdelta saved me about 75%, nice |
| 12:14.59 | Talon_ | and im on a newer kernel than you... /exec -o uname -r |
| 12:15.00 | Talon_ | oops |
| 12:15.04 | Talon_ | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:16.38 | botmind | Talon_: well that's the official Lenny kernel I'm using. I've tried with 2.6.33 kernel and also tried Nvidia's official installer, but it just failed to compile a kernel |
| 12:17.34 | Talon_ | oh, i'm using the testing (squeeze/sid) |
| 12:18.01 | bzed | Talon_: don't use the nvidia installer crap which will fuck up your system beyond sanity then |
| 12:18.13 | bzed | Talon_: use the packaged nvidia modules as they use dkms |
| 12:18.24 | Talon_ | but its the only way i can use compiz :/ |
| 12:18.44 | bzed | Talon_: if you have your kernel installed properly, dkms will just build your nvidia modules when you install the kernel or at least while booting |
| 12:18.45 | botmind | yes, I've been told to use legacy drivers prior to Nvidia's |
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| 12:19.07 | botmind | Talon_: which Nvidia is yours? I believe some moreover new one? |
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| 12:19.57 | sedulous | bzed: that's grossly exaggerated. i've been using the nvidia installer for years and my system isn't fucked up beyond sanity. |
| 12:20.01 | Talon_ | yea its a lil newer, its the GeForce FX Go5200 |
| 12:20.17 | botmind | Talon_: the thing is the drivers I need nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686 are only in Lenny repository, in squeeze/sid they are not even present |
| 12:20.27 | sedulous | it's not generally good advice to use it but it's useable. |
| 12:20.28 | bzed | sedulous: then either you're lucky or didn;t update the right package |
| 12:20.53 | bzed | botmind: there is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms in squeeze |
| 12:21.04 | bzed | botmind: and nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-dkms |
| 12:21.10 | sedulous | bzed: that's a very long lucky streak then, i guess |
| 12:21.11 | bzed | botmind: not sure which one you need for your card, though |
| 12:21.29 | phogg | sedulous: More like it's broken but you haven't noticed yet |
| 12:21.35 | bzed | sedulous: yeah. usually Xorg fucks up with the first upgrade when you use the nvidia installer shit |
| 12:21.42 | botmind | Talon_: yes, your card is 1 year newer than mine |
| 12:22.05 | sedulous | yeah, the occasional Xorg update overwrites a file or two, requiring running the nvidia installer again |
| 12:22.16 | sedulous | not that big of a deal |
| 12:22.17 | bzed | ⦠|
| 12:22.19 | botmind | bzed: don't I need a specific for my kernel version? |
| 12:22.33 | bzed | botmind: that will build the proper module for the currently running kernel |
| 12:22.37 | bzed | botmind: and keep it updated |
| 12:22.49 | botmind | bzed: I'm needing -legacy-96xx for aboslutely sure |
| 12:23.00 | sedulous | phogg: what could be broken? OpenGL, VDPAU & 2D acceleration is working just fine |
| 12:23.04 | bzed | botmind: assuming that it is able to build the module with your kernel sources... which need to be available of course, too |
| 12:23.18 | bzed | botmind: try nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms in squeeze then. |
| 12:23.31 | botmind | bzed: yes, kernel sources are available of course |
| 12:23.56 | botmind | bzed: then, I would need to upgrade my whole system to unstable? |
| 12:24.19 | phogg | sedulous: You overwrote files Debian installed with random other files provided by nvidia. As soon as something needs what Debian put there and thinks still is there which nvidia's version doesn't supply, bam. |
| 12:24.39 | phogg | sedulous: so it's broken even if you don't trip over it on a daily basis |
| 12:25.06 | sedulous | phogg: can you point me to some common pitfalls? I'd like to see if anything is really out of order |
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| 12:25.21 | petern_ | hmm, what's the correct way to change permissions on /dev/input/eventX devices for joysticks? |
| 12:26.41 | bzed | botmind: why unstable? |
| 12:27.06 | bzed | botmind: if you're running lenny, there is module-assistant |
| 12:27.10 | bzed | botmind: otherwise: use squeeze |
| 12:27.21 | bze | bzed: your nickname just scared the bejezus outta me |
| 12:27.34 | bze | hey i didn't type this |
| 12:27.46 | bzed | bze: why are you stealing my work nickanem? *shakesfist* |
| 12:27.54 | bze | hey it's mine! |
| 12:28.40 | Lint01 | well is it possible to run wow on debian? |
| 12:30.09 | bze | yes, and i think blizzard forums should have instructions for running client on any linux distribution |
| 12:30.34 | botmind | bzed: well it's in sid, not in sqeeze |
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| 12:31.55 | phogg | sedulous: not really, not off the top of my head. Ask google. |
| 12:32.26 | botmind | bzed: I was installing my current drivers with "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx${VERSION}-source" so you're saying I should run "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms" this time with the newer kernel? |
| 12:33.17 | bzed | botmind: try m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 12:33.38 | bzed | botmind: dkms is something completely different from m-a |
| 12:33.56 | bzed | botmind: but if you don't want to install it from unstable (which is probably the better idea), use m-a |
| 12:33.59 | bzed | in lenny I guess |
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| 12:35.41 | botmind | bzed: hmm ok, thx I will try to consider this. but you're saying upgrading to unstable is a good idea? |
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| 13:05.21 | hamid_rostami | Hi all, i have a problem with apt-get update, |
| 13:05.41 | hamid_rostami | when i update cache, apt-get give me this error: |
| 13:05.42 | hamid_rostami | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages 302 Found |
| 13:07.43 | bzrk | hamid_rostami: you got redirected, probably you need the new location in your sources.list |
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| 13:08.33 | hamid_rostami | bzrk: but I already did not add any APT line from google |
| 13:09.42 | bzrk | hamid_rostami: do grep -R dl.google.com /etc/apt/ |
| 13:10.24 | hamid_rostami | bzrk: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-talkplugin.list:deb http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable main |
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| 13:10.41 | bzrk | hamid_rostami: if you dont need the plugin, remove that file |
| 13:11.07 | hamid_rostami | bzrk: Oh, ty sir :) |
| 13:11.10 | bzrk | np |
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| 13:31.12 | miasma | how does one start X sessions in debian in a way that takes consolekit into consideration? it seems without consolekit support i can't mount usb media |
| 13:31.17 | Rockj | Anyone could point me in the correct direction for how to configure sshd to receive public key's for users via ldap? afaik, this functionality is included in sshd ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482806 ) |
| 13:31.22 | miasma | i'd like to use startx instead of gdm |
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| 13:33.45 | Rockj | miasma: /etc/inittab I guess gdm is configured. |
| 13:34.29 | miasma | Rockj: uh, no.. i'd like to know how to signal to policykit or consolekit or whatever it is that I'm starting an x session now |
| 13:34.54 | miasma | otherwise it's claiming that I don't have authorization to mount usb media |
| 13:35.59 | Rockj | miasma: oh, I don't know :-/ |
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| 13:41.21 | sbine | miasma: just disable gdm then |
| 13:41.53 | miasma | maybe i presented the question ambiguously |
| 13:41.59 | miasma | i *have* disabled gdm |
| 13:42.13 | miasma | and added: exec gnome-session to my .xinitrc |
| 13:42.35 | miasma | but it's not enough to make consolekit register my session. ck-list-sessions doesn't display it |
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| 13:43.04 | miasma | although i'm not sure if that's the real reason, but some forum suggested that |
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| 14:09.29 | thewanderer1 | Hi, I'm trying to use lxc right now and the container takes over my host's ttys despite having set "lxc.tty = 12" in the config file. I'm utterly confused. |
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| 14:11.12 | thewanderer1 | when I allow access to character devices 4:0, 4:1 and 4:2, it just hijacks my console. when I don't, it still spams data on the console (but only on that console) when run by `lxc-start -d -n mybox`. I'm never able to access anything by `lxc-console -n mybox` - it returns blank... |
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| 14:20.37 | kraehe | is there a way to tell crontab to use UTC time, even if the system has local time ? I had a job running twice this night |
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| 14:24.05 | rawtaz | question; im reading http://nigel.mcnie.name/blog/a-five-minute-guide-to-linux-containers-for-debian and it says that to add a bridge interface i need to stop networking. wont that kill my ssh connection if thats what im using to administer the machine? |
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| 14:25.00 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: exactly |
| 14:25.15 | thewanderer1 | use a local console or a bash script to run in background. |
| 14:25.28 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: i presume you are not kidding me? |
| 14:25.55 | rawtaz | so essentially one cannot administer containers without having console access or working around this using some background processes |
| 14:26.33 | rawtaz | what would the bash scripts do; start the network again after some timeout or something? |
| 14:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, funny thing, never heard of it... "more than a chroot, less than a virtual machine"? |
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| 14:32.10 | LaidBack_01_ | hey, I've got a nice little desktop machine here. I want to migrate it from a single IDE drive to twin sata drives setup as a mirror. My plan is to boot the system with gentoo, build the raid, and rsync all the info to the new array, do the necessary grub stuff, and go. |
| 14:32.21 | LaidBack_01_ | but... I would like to stay within debian kernels |
| 14:32.45 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: yes, you'd need to script config changes and restarting the network interface. |
| 14:32.47 | LaidBack_01_ | So, is there a list that tells me which kernels have the raid stuff built in so they can boot off a raid mirror? |
| 14:33.14 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: you don't have to be local to administer the containers, but the initial setup requires this, it's a pain without KVM-over-IP :P |
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| 14:33.42 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: OpenVZ (and Linux-Vserver) has been doing that for years |
| 14:33.48 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: do you mean in the way that i should set up a bunch of bridges even if i dont use all of them right away? |
| 14:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | LaidBack_01_, that's done via modules in initramfs... so the answer is: all ... and none |
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| 14:34.25 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: no... but if you're planning on adding physical interfaces to those bridges, then you won't do without bringing those particular interfaces down for a while |
| 14:34.28 | LaidBack_01_ | Okay, cool. Wasn't sure if debian did that or not. |
| 14:34.29 | LaidBack_01_ | thanks! |
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| 14:35.08 | thewanderer1 | you could always route instead of bridging... |
| 14:35.45 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: I'd be grateful if you sent me a PM if you get virtual console in the container working (`lxc-console`) - I'm having trouble with that now and am gonna be afk for an hour or so |
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| 14:36.18 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: ah ok, what youre saying is that i set up a bridge one time (or one per physical interface), but when later on i want to add more containers, i dont have to take down the network if i am fine with that container using one of the bridges i already set up? so essentially, i dont need to take down the net once for each container i create |
| 14:36.24 | czesmir | who know how install debian on raid 0? |
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| 14:37.28 | tuv | czesmir: hardware or software raid? |
| 14:37.58 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: i will, but i dont think ill get that far today, im just starting to look at this (i have installed squeeze but am sick so i wont do much today). but if/when i get that working ill let you know :( |
| 14:38.02 | rawtaz | :) |
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| 14:40.02 | czesmir | tuv: i'm not sure i have motherboard with integrated controller |
| 14:42.06 | tuv | czesmir: you're probably better off using linux' software raid |
| 14:42.58 | tuv | with the integrated controller (which is mostly software anyway), you'll lose your array if you move it to another system/motherboard |
| 14:43.20 | czesmir | yeah i know |
| 14:44.00 | czesmir | so how do software raid? |
| 14:44.15 | tuv | czesmir: i'm not sure about the integrated controller, but last time i tried to install on raid, i had to make a /boot partition off the raid |
| 14:44.39 | tuv | czesmir: debian-installer has support for creating raid. watch the menus |
| 14:45.11 | czesmir | yeah i know option dmraid=true |
| 14:45.33 | tuv | no.. in the partitioner menus |
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| 14:46.09 | cheasee | hi, ive got the problem: shortly after boot my fs gets mounted read only, tough ive set in fstab to mount rw; fsck tells it found errors which need a reboot, after that the same procedure again from beginning, i also tried on the shell to mount / -o remount=rw but that didnt work out.. what else could i do? |
| 14:46.36 | phogg | cheasee: boot from a livecd and fsck your root fs |
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| 14:47.20 | czesmir | tuv: i have windows installed already |
| 14:47.23 | tuv | czesmir: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch06s03.html#di-partition |
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| 14:47.37 | cheasee | phogg, heh i tink so too, just there would be some other possibility too |
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| 14:47.45 | cheasee | i thought |
| 14:47.47 | tuv | czesmir: which windows? |
| 14:48.29 | czesmir | windows 7 |
| 14:50.02 | tuv | czesmir: d-i partitioner can resize ntfs partitions, but windows 7/vista's partitions break after resizing them with d-i. so either 1) use d-i to resize it, install debian, then reinstall windows (it will be reinstalled to its partition - the first partition); or 2) find a way to safely resize windows 7 partition before starting d-i |
| 14:51.18 | czesmir | yeah but when i load debian installer he see two discs not one |
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| 14:51.40 | tuv | cheasee: if you have debian's cd (d-i) you can use it for such basic maintenance |
| 14:52.09 | tuv | czesmir: of course. the installer will setup raid on the two disks to make them look like one later |
| 14:52.21 | karlpinc | tuv: That is interesting. Whats with the d-i that breaks MS Win 7 partitions? |
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| 14:54.19 | cheasee | tuv: true.. its a server without optical drive, i just cant find my usb thumb and for pxe im too lazy now to setup that - wanted to ive it a shot if theres any other possibility |
| 14:54.46 | czesmir | tuv: why debian installer does not see my raid as one drive, and windows sees |
| 14:54.48 | jargon- | how do i get round this error without downgrading python? http://dpaste.com/267760/ i'm trying to import the Numeric module. |
| 14:55.04 | karlpinc | cheasee: PXE rocks. Once you set it up you leave it, and from then on you can forget about messing with cds or other external media. |
| 14:55.25 | karlpinc | czesmir: You probably don't have real raid on the windows side. |
| 14:55.39 | karlpinc | !fakeraid |
| 14:55.39 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 14:55.58 | cheasee | karlpinc, sure! ive set it up at home but atm i dont have that environment around |
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| 14:56.58 | tuv | karlpinc: iirc, it has to do with windows scattering its shit all over the partition, with particular bits at the end of the partition. there are tutorials for working around this (turn off swapfile, turn off restore points, ...) but they involve a lot of work with unguaranteed results |
| 14:57.00 | LaidBack_01_ | czesmir: Or put another way, both Linux and Windows have software raid (in addition to hardware raid) available to them. However, Linux can't read Windows software raid, and windows can't read linux software raid. |
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| 14:57.30 | nze | hi, i was wondering if FreeNX does session sharing? |
| 14:57.31 | nze | i need to remotely help a friend set up a debian box and was wondering what solution to go with (nx, tightvnc, vino..?) |
| 14:57.31 | tuv | czesmir: because windows loads the drivers of your integrated raid controller, but debian wasn't configured to do so yet |
| 14:58.02 | czesmir | so how do it to have windows and debian? |
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| 14:59.23 | tuv | czesmir: windows and debian on software raid-0? is that even possible? |
| 14:59.33 | karlpinc | tuv: And of course you don't want Linux using your windows drivers. |
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| 15:00.16 | tuv | get two pairs of disks: a pair for windows raid and a pair for linux raid. OR, get a real hardware raid controller |
| 15:00.36 | karlpinc | czesmir: You either use a standard, proven, software raid (linux dm) and run Windows in a virtual machine or vice versa. Or get a real raid card, and a spare so you don't lose all your stuff if the controller frys. |
| 15:01.27 | karlpinc | czesmir: Debian can sometimes be made to work with fake raid. See the wiki. But that's really lame. |
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| 15:02.36 | karlpinc | thinks that real raid is fine for enterprises, but not so good for everybody else because you're hardware dependent and must find compatible hardware to ensure reliability. |
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| 15:04.45 | karlpinc | tuv: I like the "buy more hardware" idea. Disk is cheap. |
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| 15:05.30 | raidghost | To disallow users to use /sbin/ifconfig could some of the system break then? |
| 15:06.03 | raidghost | or is it possible that root and services that needs access to ifconfig could be allowed and normal users denied? |
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| 15:06.36 | karlpinc | raidghost: Perhaps what you want are runlevels. |
| 15:06.43 | karlpinc | !runlevels |
| 15:06.44 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 15:06.53 | Night_Elf | Hi all. My domain's emails are stored in a hosting company server and are retreived via pop3 by a MDaemon box functioning as smartpop. Then the users connect via pop3 to this MDaemon and each retrieves his/her own emails. What is to be used in Debian so I can get rid of the MDaemon machine? |
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| 15:07.52 | karlpinc | Night_Elf: Common choices are fetchmail and dovecot. Type "/msg dpkg search" and "/msg dpkg debtags" for more info on finding other choices. |
| 15:08.12 | raidghost | dovecot karlpinc also check out postfixadmin |
| 15:08.35 | raidghost | karlpinc: thanks for the advice:-) |
| 15:08.59 | raidghost | i will check it out. |
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| 15:10.18 | karlpinc | raidghost: He didn't mention an MTA. (I like postfix, but find no need for a admin interface. YMMV.) |
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| 15:16.20 | ksmith | hey guys |
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| 15:17.46 | doublehp | sensors stopped working at 1AM (1h before winter time change); i was working on the machine, maybe i did something wrong, but i was not working on kernel or modules; what can be wrong ? http://pastebin.com/Wegz9uLw it's a server , i avoid rebooting for so few. |
| 15:18.28 | ksmith | I know this has to be simple ... but how do I activate the "Universe Repository"? |
| 15:19.07 | tensorpudding | ksmith: Open the Software Center, then go to Edit -> Software Sources |
| 15:19.29 | ksmith | on a remote machine :) |
| 15:19.44 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 15:19.49 | thewanderer1 | nze: VNC will save you the trouble. GNOME has a built-in VNC service, same for KDE. |
| 15:19.52 | tensorpudding | SSH? |
| 15:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian has no "Universe Repository" |
| 15:20.01 | tensorpudding | ugh |
| 15:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | last time I looked |
| 15:20.05 | ksmith | well, Ruby-Lang.org tells me to activate it. |
| 15:20.07 | tensorpudding | i done did it again |
| 15:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you did |
| 15:20.23 | tensorpudding | i shouldn't idle in #debian and #ubuntu |
| 15:20.26 | tensorpudding | well |
| 15:20.27 | thewanderer1 | ksmith: you're in #debian channel, you want #ubuntu ... |
| 15:20.42 | tensorpudding | edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment the lines for universe |
| 15:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or, if this is a debian system, it is most unwise to add a load of 'buntu repositories to it |
| 15:21.13 | ksmith | there are no commented lines ^^ |
| 15:21.22 | tensorpudding | oh wait, right, no universe in debian |
| 15:21.26 | tensorpudding | you tricked me! |
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| 15:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | did not |
| 15:21.55 | thewanderer1 | there's no universe in Debian. Debian just is the universe... |
| 15:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 15:22.08 | tensorpudding | ksmith: what is it you want to enable? contrib? |
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| 15:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | out of cheese error, reboot universe |
| 15:22.21 | ksmith | I just want to install the latest ruby. |
| 15:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | how late is the latest ruby? |
| 15:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | already smelling? |
| 15:22.38 | tensorpudding | the latest meaning the one not in lenny? |
| 15:22.59 | ksmith | 1.9.2 |
| 15:23.36 | qq- | , versions ruby |
| 15:23.36 | judd | Package ruby on i386 -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.5; squeeze: 4.5 |
| 15:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libruby |
| 15:23.56 | judd | Package libruby on i386 -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.5; squeeze: 4.5 |
| 15:24.04 | tensorpudding | they changed the version of debian's ruby package in lenny |
| 15:24.11 | tensorpudding | , versions ruby1.8 |
| 15:24.14 | judd | Package ruby1.8 on i386 -- etch: 1.8.5-4etch5; etch-security: 1.8.5-4etch5; etch-backports: 1.8.7.72-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-security: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.8.7.302-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.8.7.302-2; squeeze: 1.8.7.302-2 |
| 15:24.18 | tensorpudding | , versions ruby1.9 |
| 15:24.21 | judd | Package ruby1.9 on i386 -- etch: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch5; etch-security: 1.9.0+20060609-1etch5; lenny: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1; lenny-security: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1 |
| 15:24.40 | tensorpudding | don't see 1.9.2 |
| 15:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't se squeeze there |
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| 15:25.12 | thewanderer1 | I guess that 1.9.2 would be a security/bugfix release whose patches are backported to Lenny... |
| 15:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have 1.8 on squeeze |
| 15:25.22 | ksmith | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ruby tells me, there's a package ruby1.9.1 which is an interpreter for ruby 1.9.2 |
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| 15:25.59 | tensorpudding | that's a misleading name there |
| 15:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny that squeeze doesn't turn up for ruby1.9 |
| 15:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | but etch three times? |
| 15:26.38 | tensorpudding | ruby1.9.1 in sid is 1.9.2.0-1, yeah |
| 15:26.55 | tensorpudding | but it's in lenny-backports too |
| 15:27.09 | ksmith | and that tells me ... ? |
| 15:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right |
| 15:27.29 | tensorpudding | you can get it through backports, if you really need it |
| 15:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 15:27.38 | judd | Package ruby1.9.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.2.0-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.9.2.0-1; squeeze: 1.9.2.0-1 |
| 15:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
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| 15:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ksmith -abeout bpo |
| 15:28.08 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ruby1.9.1 is a pretty weird name for a ruby of version 1.9.2 |
| 15:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 15:28.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ksmith -about bpo |
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| 15:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | qq-, thx |
| 15:28.34 | qq- | np |
| 15:28.50 | jackweb | Hello! How to uninstall an application installed using make && make install [from source]? |
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| 15:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackweb, sweat and tears |
| 15:29.17 | qq- | read README |
| 15:29.18 | tensorpudding | jackweb: maybe the makefile has a job called deinstall? |
| 15:29.31 | thewanderer1 | uninstall is also a common make target |
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| 15:29.40 | tensorpudding | jackweb: if not, you're going to have to undo everything under install by hand |
| 15:29.47 | tensorpudding | probably removing a lot of files and directories |
| 15:29.49 | ksmith | thanks! |
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| 15:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe "<dpkg> No, cutmeownthroat, I won't. (target invalid?)" |
| 15:30.27 | jackweb | ok, thanks :) |
| 15:30.57 | thewanderer1 | avoid that in the future by using checkinstall :P |
| 15:31.07 | doublehp | sensors stopped working at 1AM (1h before winter time change); i was working on the machine, maybe i did something wrong, but i was not working on kernel or modules; what can be wrong ? http://pastebin.com/Wegz9uLw it's a server , i avoid rebooting for so few. |
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| 15:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jackweb, or install into /usr/local/nameofprogram, using PREFIX then you only have to remove that directory |
| 15:31.42 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: do you have the modules loaded? |
| 15:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | plus any softlinks |
| 15:32.02 | doublehp | thewanderer1: no, i don't see them; but, not sure which ones i should have |
| 15:32.18 | jackweb | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 15:32.21 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: run as root: `yes | sensors-detect` |
| 15:32.28 | qq- | !tell xiangfu_away -about away |
| 15:32.35 | thewanderer1 | then you should get them added to /etc/modules if they're not there |
| 15:32.43 | doublehp | thewanderer1: it worked for months ... |
| 15:33.04 | thewanderer1 | no idea. have you checked your uptime? |
| 15:33.12 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you don't know about a reboot... |
| 15:33.17 | chouchou | hi alll, pls 1 Dedicated server with 1 database and 4 VPSes and settings needs to be backup completely. where do I back them up to? do I need an extra dedicated server or I can use the current one ? |
| 15:33.20 | doublehp | thewanderer1: 5d |
| 15:34.00 | doublehp | thewanderer1: i use munin: uptime graph shows 5d NOW, but sensors graphs stopped 2h before winter time change |
| 15:34.02 | thewanderer1 | chouchou: question invalid. insert more cheese. beep. |
| 15:34.32 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: alright, load up all modules that you find in /etc/modules after running the mentioned command |
| 15:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, you could make a factoid from that |
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| 15:36.37 | doublehp | thewanderer1: i was asking how to know what went wrong, not how to fix it |
| 15:37.46 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: well, dmesg should yield the ultimate answer. if not, it's probably gone to the RAM hell (perhaps ended up on the physical console of the server) |
| 15:39.47 | doublehp | thewanderer1: after full reconf, still nothing |
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| 15:41.57 | raidghost | karlpinc: the way etch installs selinux . Could the same troubleshooting work on lenny? |
| 15:42.02 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: did you get any modules listed in /etc/modules, actually? |
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| 15:42.10 | raidghost | Or to much changed from etch to lenny |
| 15:42.25 | doublehp | thewanderer1: yes, via686a amongst other things |
| 15:42.43 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: rmmod and modprobe again... |
| 15:42.48 | thewanderer1 | and watch dmesg, too |
| 15:42.51 | doublehp | thewanderer1: already tried it |
| 15:43.02 | thewanderer1 | does the log tell you anything? |
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| 15:43.50 | doublehp | via686a 0000:00:07.4: base address not set - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr ... but it have been working before. I have two such lines: one days ago, one just now. So, this lines is harmless |
| 15:43.51 | jackweb | and what to do if I have to remove supertux? I had to cmake .. (in build/) and type make && make install. To uninstall there is no entry in make (as I well see) and I installed it in /opt/ |
| 15:44.18 | jackweb | (no information in supertux*/INSTALL) |
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| 15:46.03 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: then remove it from /opt/ ... |
| 15:46.19 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: do you have IPMI in there? |
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| 15:46.27 | doublehp | thewanderer1: ??? |
| 15:46.35 | jackweb | thewanderer1: ok |
| 15:46.46 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: I mean on the server. IPMI could provide valuable input... |
| 15:47.25 | doublehp | thewanderer1: no clue what it is; udev did not load the module (found some .ko in locate ) |
| 15:47.28 | edju | I had a "kernel failure" message pop on on my screen and I have no idea what it means. I don't expect a line-by-line interpretation, but if someone could take a look at http://debian.pastebin.com/3wVMjhfm and just say a few words as to what happened in simple English, greatly appreciated. |
| 15:47.42 | doublehp | thewanderer1: so if any ... udev would have loaded it |
| 15:48.08 | doublehp | thewanderer1: i feel like reboot, but, reboot requires to "press F1 to continue" ... |
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| 15:48.22 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: it looks like a hardware failure to me... |
| 15:48.37 | doublehp | thewanderer1: what means, it will happen again :/ |
| 15:48.49 | thewanderer1 | edju: you hit a kernel bug :P |
| 15:50.16 | thewanderer1 | edju: are you using nouveau video driver? |
| 15:50.43 | edju | thewanderer1, Yes, I am. Is that the source? |
| 15:51.46 | RichiH | is there any way to see what audio device a program is trying to use? |
| 15:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | edju, does that lead to a kernel panic? |
| 15:51.59 | thewanderer1 | edju: there are known bug reports regarding that. the developers might be interested in your case, though... if you want, you can look through this page which seems to include some pointers: http://www.google.com/search?q=comm%3A+ttm_swap+Tainted%3A+P&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 15:52.14 | RichiH | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works like a charm, yet pianobar can't play sounds |
| 15:52.30 | raidghost | After SE Linux is activated. You may need to reboot now. |
| 15:52.41 | raidghost | do i need to run the ./autorelabel ? |
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| 15:53.45 | edju | thewanderer1, Well, I can just install the propietary NVidia driver - would that solve the problem? |
| 15:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, /dev/dsp is OSS, while most things run over alsa these days, though.... did you go though the list you get with /msg dpkg alsa checklist ? |
| 15:54.11 | qq- | raidghost, run debian ? |
| 15:54.26 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, doing so now |
| 15:54.32 | RichiH | fwiw, amarok can play music |
| 15:54.36 | thewanderer1 | edju: probably. for me, nv works, too, just without accelerated rendering. or try a newer kernel on your own and see what happens... |
| 15:54.46 | Kennie | anyone has experience with Areca raid controllers on 5.0.6 with latest kernel? (2.6.26-2 i think).. for someone reason our raid controller keeps getting timeouts. We tried different Areca cards, different other hw, different disk, new installs but NOTHING works. |
| 15:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, pandora is also something that just works in the US |
| 15:55.05 | edju | thewanderer1, OK, thanks. |
| 15:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | international copyright law sucks... I wonder what makes it possible to provide all that in the US |
| 15:55.26 | RichiH | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does not work |
| 15:55.40 | thewanderer1 | RichiH: perhaps your sound device is busy? |
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| 15:56.14 | cahoot | no errormsg? |
| 15:56.16 | raidghost | qq-: yes running debian lenny |
| 15:56.22 | thewanderer1 | (yes, it is still not possible to have multiple apps access the sound device at the same time on Linux, at least in the default config...) |
| 15:56.34 | cahoot | thewanderer1: FUD |
| 15:56.42 | thewanderer1 | alright, we have PulseAudio. |
| 15:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, "lsmod |grep snd" gives you results? (and among them snd_pcm_oss) |
| 15:56.50 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:56.54 | RichiH | it was chromium |
| 15:57.00 | cahoot | thewanderer1: plain alsa will do just fine |
| 15:57.00 | RichiH | i stopped it and now things work |
| 15:57.06 | RichiH | ...?! |
| 15:57.29 | thewanderer1 | RichiH: apparently it had flash plugin or other evil stuff taking up the ALSA sound device |
| 15:57.49 | RichiH | i deinstalled flash |
| 15:58.04 | qq- | raidghost, i dunno , never seem your command before |
| 15:58.15 | thewanderer1 | no idea then... in any case, configuring software mixing could help |
| 15:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, that depends... dmix is enabled in alsa by default now... but that doesn't mean it's not possible to come upon circumstances where the sound device can be blocked... |
| 15:59.03 | thewanderer1 | hm. I somehow never got this to work by default... |
| 15:59.15 | petern_ | dmix is enabled by default |
| 15:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, is the module snd_pcm_oss loaded? |
| 15:59.28 | petern_ | but it's not much help if some old oss app comes along and tries to use /dev/dsp |
| 15:59.38 | petern_ | or something uses hw:0 instead of default |
| 15:59.51 | thewanderer1 | ok, this only makes me think KDE does weird things with Mumble |
| 16:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | petern_, but shouldn't dmix still work, if /dev/dsp uses the oss emulation? |
| 16:01.03 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 16:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... weird, I thought it'd be ok, then |
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| 16:01.47 | petern_ | no, the oss emulation is in kernel-space |
| 16:01.50 | petern_ | dmix is user-space |
| 16:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, you can force applications to use alsa instead the OSS device if you call them with the aoss wrapper like "aoss firefox" |
| 16:02.29 | petern_ | (cue usual rant about oss being crappy) |
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| 16:02.57 | k_1 | hey guys! quick question: does the /etc/hushlogins file have to be of any special format? |
| 16:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, or aoss chromium in this case (do this with all apps that you see blocking the sound device)) |
| 16:03.39 | k_1 | atm I have 'nick' xor 'shell path' \n and it does nothing |
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| 16:03.54 | petern_ | sadly people (especially games programmers) are still making oss-only programs |
| 16:04.13 | thewanderer1 | praises OpenAL-aware developers |
| 16:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see any hushlogins in debian |
| 16:05.15 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: chromium used alsa |
| 16:05.32 | RichiH | i found and started to suspect it via the list alsa users factoid |
| 16:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but perhaps the flas plugin doesn't? |
| 16:05.56 | k_1 | CutMeOwnThroat: /etc/login.defs |
| 16:07.04 | k_1 | either a .hushlogin in ~ or a file with usernames/shells |
| 16:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | k_1, seems like one line one keyword and either usernames or shells? |
| 16:08.55 | k_1 | CutMeOwnThroat: unfortunatly thats not workling for me |
| 16:09.03 | k_1 | permissions are fine |
| 16:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what messages it's supposed to suppress anyway |
| 16:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | does creating ~/.hushlogin give you any different behavior? |
| 16:09.59 | thewanderer1 | ^ I think Ubuntu's update notifications get silenced |
| 16:10.26 | k_1 | I have to do it like this cause that user doesn't have a ~ |
| 16:10.26 | thewanderer1 | and we already have that in Squeeze/Sid PAM... |
| 16:11.20 | k_1 | and it is _very_ relevant not to display our motd for that user - access is open to public |
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| 16:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | k_1, /usr/share/doc/login/NEWS.gz |
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| 16:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | k_1, every user has a $HOME, even if it's / - but you could have also tried with a different user |
| 16:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if it does anything at all, actually |
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| 16:14.09 | poisonbit | ~/.hushlogin works in lenny too |
| 16:14.26 | poisonbit | anyway you can't hidde openssh version unless compiling |
| 16:15.07 | k_1 | doesn't work for different/additional user either [in /etc/h..] |
| 16:15.33 | poisonbit | I use to touch /etc/skel/.hushlogin for new users |
| 16:15.43 | k_1 | poisonbit: its just the motd - we have a lot of info in there |
| 16:16.01 | poisonbit | you can also edit the motd and disable auto-updating of the motd |
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| 16:17.09 | k_1 | I don't wanna loose our motd.sh as its very nice and informative just for that one user... if theres a way around |
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| 16:17.51 | k_1 | hmm bomboclaat |
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| 16:19.17 | poisonbit | as you're putting sensitive information in a global message, you'll need to hack on :) |
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| 16:19.27 | poisonbit | if info is sensitive, move it from motd to .profiles |
| 16:19.28 | Ward| | i'm using debian stable, why does pulseaudio not work when i install it? |
| 16:19.32 | poisonbit | or .bashrc or whatever |
| 16:19.33 | Ward| | (no permission) |
| 16:19.36 | Ward| | s |
| 16:19.36 | poisonbit | doing user checking |
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| 16:20.00 | poisonbit | Ward|, does "groups" return "audio" for your user ? |
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| 16:20.46 | Ward| | poisonbit, yep |
| 16:20.57 | Ward| | i added my user to those pulseaudio groups yesterday |
| 16:21.08 | qq- | !pulseaudio |
| 16:21.08 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:22.04 | thewanderer1 | what was that tool to compile a Debian package from upstream source? |
| 16:22.40 | qq- | !ssb |
| 16:22.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:22.56 | petemc | checkinstall |
| 16:24.09 | thewanderer1 | I probably need uupdate, need lxc 0.7.3 to test... |
| 16:25.10 | Ward| | qq-, yeah i did all that and it does not work |
| 16:25.25 | Ward| | any other suggestions? |
| 16:25.35 | Ward| | i'm not used to packages jsut being broke btw |
| 16:25.42 | Ward| | does it happen a lot? |
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| 16:26.01 | thewanderer1 | I don't think PulseAudio is actually supported in Lenny |
| 16:26.15 | Ward| | ah, so they just put unsupported crap in the repo's |
| 16:26.22 | Ward| | i didn't know that |
| 16:26.30 | thewanderer1 | at least I can't recall an application which would use it there |
| 16:26.32 | Ward| | how do i find out what is actualy supported and what not? |
| 16:27.04 | Ward| | thewanderer1, ok i can see you know a ton of pulseaudio lol |
| 16:27.49 | thewanderer1 | look, I didn't even compile sound into my kernel... |
| 16:28.17 | thewanderer1 | yesterday back on 2.6.32 with Squeeze userland it was running just fine |
| 16:28.26 | thewanderer1 | (had sound back then) |
| 16:28.31 | Ward| | ok, but if you are not actually sure about something, better not say something is unsupported |
| 16:28.50 | Ward| | i assume all the stuff in the repositories are supported |
| 16:29.14 | thewanderer1 | so what was the full error message, again? |
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| 16:29.41 | Ward| | connection failed: connection refused |
| 16:29.50 | Ward| | my user is in all pulseaudio groups |
| 16:30.00 | thewanderer1 | alright... do you have pulseaudio daemon running? |
| 16:30.31 | Ward| | i have no idea, i jsut apt-get ted it |
| 16:30.41 | Ward| | i restarted it nw |
| 16:30.42 | thewanderer1 | PulseAudio is not system-wide by default... the user should start their own instance - similar to KDE's aRts |
| 16:31.04 | thewanderer1 | `pulseaudio` command is the daemon |
| 16:31.18 | Ward| | it would be nice if that was in that readme :) |
| 16:31.30 | Ward| | most sysstems automagically set it up for you |
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| 16:31.43 | thewanderer1 | yes, this is done here too, just added to autostart |
| 16:32.01 | Ward| | /etc/init.d/pulseaudio ? |
| 16:32.06 | Ward| | (start / restart/ ..) |
| 16:32.08 | thewanderer1 | no, just pulseaudio binary |
| 16:32.34 | Ward| | ah i assumed the startup script took care of the daemon aswell |
| 16:32.54 | thewanderer1 | nope, the daemon is per-user, and it installs a desktop startup script |
| 16:33.00 | Ward| | no more error :) |
| 16:33.01 | thewanderer1 | the so-called Autostart entry... |
| 16:33.21 | Ward| | hm, so it sohuld run automagically after boot? |
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| 16:33.39 | thewanderer1 | no, after logging into a desktop environment |
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| 16:33.50 | Ward| | yeah thats what i meant |
| 16:34.01 | Ward| | strange i think i restarted the VM yesterday |
| 16:34.03 | Ward| | (this is a VM) |
| 16:34.12 | Ward| | anyways thanks a lot it works fine now :) |
| 16:34.21 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it didn't end up in autostart at all |
| 16:34.29 | thewanderer1 | this is Lenny and I live in Squeeze :P |
| 16:34.36 | Ward| | how do i check please? |
| 16:34.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm... explore all autostart dirs that you can think of |
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| 16:35.30 | botmind | Hi again. I'm running Lenny and wish to upgrade to sqeeze. But the drivers for my Nvidia graphics card nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx can either be found in Lenny or sid! Then if I would upgrade to squeeze I won't be able to use my card?! Am I getting right? |
| 16:35.44 | botmind | Talon_: still here? See my question above |
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| 16:36.00 | Ward| | weird i still get errors |
| 16:36.07 | thewanderer1 | botmind: you can use Lenny packages with Squeeze if there are no library conflicts etc |
| 16:36.08 | Ward| | PCM device busy |
| 16:36.19 | Ward| | do i need to get rid of alsa somehow? |
| 16:36.22 | Ward| | or anything else |
| 16:36.32 | thewanderer1 | no, PulseAudio needs ALSA as a 'sink' |
| 16:36.46 | thewanderer1 | are you running aRts or ESD? those could be the culprits, I think |
| 16:36.46 | Ward| | weird error then |
| 16:36.56 | botmind | thewanderer1: hm can I use sid packages in sqeeze? |
| 16:37.02 | thewanderer1 | botmind: if you dare :P |
| 16:37.43 | Ward| | nope this is a fresh install |
| 16:38.08 | botmind | thewanderer1: the main conflict is the kernel! Lenny drivers work with 2.6.26 kernel only |
| 16:38.16 | raidghost | SElinux was not that hard to setup. |
| 16:38.27 | raidghost | But postfix is complaining aboute chroot something. |
| 16:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell botmind -about pieces |
| 16:38.59 | thewanderer1 | botmind: admittedly, Linus doesn't like NVIDIA nor anything else proprietary. yeah, use NVIDIA from squeeze. I was running that recently and it went rather good... |
| 16:39.04 | Ward| | thewanderer1, anyway need to go, thanks for the help, i'll return later if i can't figure it out |
| 16:39.20 | thewanderer1 | s/from squeeze/from sid/ of course |
| 16:39.51 | raidghost | "Has chrooted service in master.cf" and "init scriptis syncing with the chroots" |
| 16:40.14 | raidghost | Halleluja. 2 problems still to solve. |
| 16:40.15 | botmind | CutMeOwnThroat: "breaks me to keep ALL the pieces"??? |
| 16:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | botmind, when using sid packages breaks your system... |
| 16:41.54 | botmind | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm like how? |
| 16:42.23 | thewanderer1 | botmind: make sure you employ apt pinning when you add sid sources, or you might end up in Sid :P |
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| 16:42.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
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| 16:42.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thewanderer1: how about using old-stable :P |
| 16:43.28 | thewanderer1 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: thanks, I don't like the taste of exploits in the morning |
| 16:43.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | haha lol |
| 16:44.17 | botmind | thewanderer1: hmm in squeeze there are nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx drivers and all stuff, except than mines are 96xx not 173 |
| 16:44.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | botmind: mind telling me which card? |
| 16:45.15 | thewanderer1 | botmind: the newer the better, as long as it doesn't break :) |
| 16:45.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thewanderer1: nvidia stops supporting old cards with newer drivers. but i dont think he is using riva tnt cards |
| 16:46.02 | thewanderer1 | guys, does anyone know how exactly lxc.tty should work in Linux Containers? right now my containers are having a party on my host's ttys |
| 16:46.11 | botmind | sh4d3sl4y3r_: MX 440, kinda old one |
| 16:46.25 | thewanderer1 | ^ I have that one :P |
| 16:46.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | botmind: then you need legacy |
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| 16:47.47 | botmind | sh4d3sl4y3r_: yes right I know, but the thing is that there are 2 legacy drivers: 173xx and 96xx, while mine are 96xx but they are available only in Lenny or Sid! While I want to upgrade the kernel and seems like its imporssible unless I am upgrading so Sid.. |
| 16:48.56 | botmind | thewanderer1: you have this card? and you're running sqeeze? |
| 16:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | botmind, any old how... that's what sid is for |
| 16:49.02 | thewanderer1 | botmind: yeah |
| 16:49.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | botmind: you can use apt pinning to mix between versions |
| 16:49.14 | thewanderer1 | botmind: I had the driver from Sid, though |
| 16:49.26 | thewanderer1 | via apt pinning, yup |
| 16:49.54 | thewanderer1 | right now that PC is on 'vacation' :P |
| 16:50.36 | botmind | thewanderer1: sounds nice! seems like the best way |
| 16:50.43 | botmind | not sure what apt pinning is |
| 16:50.51 | botmind | though |
| 16:50.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thewanderer1: could you recompile the kernel recently from kernel.org on Debian? |
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| 16:51.42 | botmind | thewanderer1: btw, which motherboard, by a chance was there? |
| 16:51.44 | thewanderer1 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Linux sun 2.6.36-thewanderer #1 SMP Sun Oct 31 14:20:46 CET 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:51.57 | thewanderer1 | botmind: HP Vectra VL410 or sth like that... |
| 16:52.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | which method? dpkg? or the retro one |
| 16:52.12 | thewanderer1 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: make-kpkg |
| 16:52.18 | botmind | thewanderer1: I see.. |
| 16:52.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it failed before it coult create a deb for me :S |
| 16:52.35 | thewanderer1 | bad config :P |
| 16:52.44 | botmind | so once I would upgrade to sqeeze there would be no easy way to downgrade back to Lenny? |
| 16:52.57 | thewanderer1 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: oh, you need make-kpkg from Sid, too, in Squeeze it's broken. |
| 16:52.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | botmind: you wont be upgrading to squeeze using pins |
| 16:53.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ohh ok thanks |
| 16:53.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | we use pin to fetch a particular package from a branch. instead of upgrading the whole system |
| 16:53.56 | thewanderer1 | botmind: well, downgrading is like going down Mt. Everest, but with your head directed down |
| 16:54.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmfao |
| 16:54.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i am near mt.everest |
| 16:54.16 | botmind | sh4d3sl4y3r_: well "pins" are for the later stage, after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze use them to install a driver from Sid |
| 16:54.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | if you want to downgrade. simply remove that particular package and reinstall with stable |
| 16:55.21 | botmind | yeah well. |
| 16:55.35 | thewanderer1 | and fix the config |
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| 16:58.48 | botmind | when I was small I was thinking that business is the thing! and I was using Windows, but the more I was realising that programming is the thing, I was slowly switching to Free/Legal software then to Linux (always stable) and now after about 4 years of DE usage I seem to have myself switched to testing |
| 16:59.01 | botmind | Sqeeze means compression, pressure.. hmm |
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| 16:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf, network just went away |
| 16:59.37 | hovefirse | Hi folks! I'm trying to setup my wireless network in terminal mode (gdm disabled) but I keep banging my head against the wall. Any expert here who would like to have a look at what I'm doing? |
| 16:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also not coming up after suspending to ram |
| 17:03.10 | _snowball | hovefirse, what are you doing? |
| 17:03.28 | _snowball | ifconfig wlan0 up; dhclient wlan0 |
| 17:03.29 | _snowball | :P |
| 17:03.45 | cahoot | no wpa=? |
| 17:03.49 | botmind | Why do I want to switch? I am having several issues with my hardware: 1. this MX 440 is recognized as PCI while it's is AGP slot and I'm not sure if I'm getting the maximum performance of it 2. There is no Master control for my integrated AC97 soundcard, only PCM. This makes unable to control (or acutally reduce) the volume from Wine apps and from some Linux native too, like OpenSonic. Also when playing any musical file, when there supposed to b |
| 17:03.50 | botmind | silence, I'm hearing something like the white noise |
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| 17:05.07 | cahoot | botmind: you run kde? |
| 17:05.11 | botmind | Another thing is that I am unable to set the latency with ALSA drivers higher than 58msec!! |
| 17:05.16 | botmind | cahoot: yes |
| 17:05.52 | czesmir | tuv: you still there |
| 17:06.06 | hovefirse | snowball: It's the configuration that bugs me. dhclient wlan0 gives me a long line of "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval ...", but no result. iwconfig gives me the strangest essid |
| 17:06.28 | cahoot | botmind: I'm puzzled by your problems with an intel8x0, could it be a matter of some intervening layer lika artsd/phonon? |
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| 17:06.50 | thewanderer1 | hovefirse: wpa_supplicant can do the config for you, read up on its config syntax |
| 17:07.23 | hovefirse | thewanderer1: Any particular link you'd recommend? |
| 17:07.47 | thewanderer1 | hovefirse: /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant/* ? |
| 17:08.00 | thewanderer1 | or without the hyphen... |
| 17:08.01 | _snowball | hovefirse, what encryption is on the wifi network? |
| 17:08.04 | botmind | cahoot: there are so called AC97 Quircks, but when I apply any of them, during boot, kernel says unabled to apply setting.. -2.. what is phonon? |
| 17:08.28 | thewanderer1 | botmind: Phonon is KDE4's multimedia framework, intended to replace aRts |
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| 17:08.50 | hovefirse | But, shouldn't it be as easy as "iwconfig wlan0 essid "my_essid""...the output of iwconfig shows garbage when I run this?! And the output from the very same command when gdm enabled shows everything just fine |
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| 17:09.05 | hovefirse | snowball: None, it's wide open |
| 17:09.14 | botmind | ah.. well mine KDE is still 3.5 as I'm on Lenny, that's why I want to upgrade to see if thing would change |
| 17:09.38 | _snowball | hovefirse, well, then dhclient wlan0 should be enough. Can you past the output into pastebin? |
| 17:09.38 | thewanderer1 | hovefirse: I've seen that one before... it was a matter of quotes on the command line, it seems |
| 17:09.48 | thewanderer1 | (strange enough) |
| 17:09.51 | cahoot | botmind: is artsd enabled? fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) should tell |
| 17:10.43 | botmind | cahoot: no, it's not running now |
| 17:10.47 | hovefirse | snowball: http://pastebin.com/rkizZvDq |
| 17:11.07 | cahoot | ok |
| 17:11.31 | hovefirse | thewanderer1: OK...d'ya remember where/how the quotes should/shouldn't be? |
| 17:11.39 | jordanm | mordocai: what version of debian is that? |
| 17:12.26 | _snowball | hovefirse, andd iwlist to that as well, please. |
| 17:12.49 | thewanderer1 | hovefirse: that'd be the problem... I think I found an example invocation on the Web |
| 17:13.08 | hovefirse | snowball: Yer wish is my command! http://pastebin.com/zGBx1b23 |
| 17:13.58 | botmind | cahoot: so well there are 3 problems with this audio card: no Master control panel in Kmix, noise when playing audio files where there should be silence, unable to set latency more than 58 msec with ALSA |
| 17:14.02 | jordanm | hovefirse: what card and what version of debian is that? |
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| 17:14.38 | hovefirse | jordanm: The card works - I'm very much online when gdm is running. It's the manual configuration from the terminal that stumps me |
| 17:14.38 | cahoot | botmind: wouln't the noise be a result of PCM set at max? |
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| 17:15.00 | botmind | and these problems cause others.. when using apps |
| 17:15.04 | jordanm | hovefirse: ok... but what version of debian and which card is it? |
| 17:15.45 | thewanderer1 | hovefirse: you don't have to resign from network-manager when in console, it has a CLI front-end as well as "global connections" |
| 17:16.04 | botmind | cahoot: well it's not on max and it doesn't matter if I use audacious or listen from youtube in the browser |
| 17:16.11 | butch42 | Hello everyone. |
| 17:16.26 | thewanderer1 | botmind: PCM below 90 are optimal, usually |
| 17:16.34 | botmind | this noise is the strangest thing I've experienced with audio |
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| 17:17.04 | thewanderer1 | have you tried setting model=X parameter for the sound module, if it supports one? |
| 17:17.10 | _snowball | hovefirse, it seems that iwconfig is not setting the essid correctly. |
| 17:17.35 | hovefirse | thewanderer1: OK. But now I'm getting rather p****d on this situation, and would like to resolve it brute force! |
| 17:17.41 | botmind | thewanderer1: well it's now 87% and I'm clearly hear the noise when for example starting a track.. like it's being played from some analog device! |
| 17:17.46 | butch42 | I am trying to get qemu working with kvm/hardware virtualization support. I'd like to start it from libvirtd/virt-manager in the end. Currently I am unsure about the different flavours in Debian squeeze/testing. qemu, kvm, qemu -enable-kvm. kvm-source and modules shipped with kernel packages. |
| 17:17.52 | jordanm | hovefirse: why do you not answer my question? |
| 17:17.53 | hovefirse | _snowball: Aye, a quotation mark problem I presume?! |
| 17:18.03 | jordanm | hovefirse: a bug I would presume |
| 17:18.13 | hovefirse | jordanm: Easy, I'm trying to juggle quite a lot here! http://pastebin.com/kUbPHDbV |
| 17:18.27 | hovefirse | jordanm: Last line |
| 17:18.27 | cahoot | botmind: what if you simply try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0? |
| 17:18.33 | thewanderer1 | botmind: how about lowering PCM to 73 and checking if it persists? |
| 17:19.00 | jordanm | hovefirse: ath5k. and what version of debian? |
| 17:19.05 | hovefirse | Latest |
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| 17:19.22 | jordanm | hovefirse: "latest" means nothing in the debian world |
| 17:19.25 | _snowball | hovefirse, quotations, I think, are all right. |
| 17:19.26 | botmind | thewanderer1: you mean like echo 'options snd-intel8x0 model=X' >> /etc/modproble.d/options ? |
| 17:19.26 | jordanm | !version |
| 17:19.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 17:19.33 | thewanderer1 | butch42: I'm using Squeeze with KVM and it works fine on the servers |
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| 17:19.39 | _snowball | hovefirse, try this: iwconfig wlan0 essid any |
| 17:19.50 | thewanderer1 | botmind: yeah, sth like that, after researching ALSA model doc |
| 17:20.02 | jordanm | hovefirse: latest stable? latest testing? latest unstable? stable + backports? mixed testing + stable? |
| 17:20.07 | ashp | Kind of an obscure question but - I want to netboot into the installer, does anyone have up to date instructions that work? When I try it never seems to attempt to tftp the initrd.gz and thus fails to mount root |
| 17:20.08 | botmind | thewanderer1: HMM the lower the volume the clearer I hear this noise! |
| 17:20.18 | ashp | (using the daily installer stuff I guess, as I was aiming for squeeze) |
| 17:20.18 | eshat | Is there a package to create cool asci art fonts ? |
| 17:20.23 | eshat | *ascii |
| 17:20.24 | _snowball | hovefirse, and then do iwconfig again and then dhclient wlan0. |
| 17:20.25 | thewanderer1 | botmind: check the speaker cable and EMI |
| 17:20.27 | botmind | thewanderer1: which means this noise is peristant and uncontrollable |
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| 17:20.46 | butch42 | thewanderer1: What userland binary do you call? qemu? kvm? What kernel and kvm kernel module do you use? |
| 17:20.59 | cahoot | botmind: what if you simply try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0? |
| 17:21.02 | jordanm | sigh |
| 17:21.02 | thewanderer1 | butch42: I call `kvm` and use kvm_intel module |
| 17:21.36 | thewanderer1 | botmind: I once had the speaker cable run next to the PSU cable and the speakers were producing funny sounds. true especially if you draw power from USB... |
| 17:21.37 | hovefirse | _snowball: iwconfig-output: "wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any" Same problem when running dhclient |
| 17:22.24 | eshat | Fount it: figlet |
| 17:22.38 | butch42 | thewanderer1: My question wasn't clear: Do you use the kernel module shipped with the standard Debian kernel or did you build it from package kvm-source? Or something completely different? |
| 17:22.38 | thewanderer1 | eshat: toilet is nice too :P |
| 17:22.46 | jordanm | hovefirse: so.. latest meant what? |
| 17:23.04 | thewanderer1 | butch42: just the one included in the stock 2.6.32 kernel |
| 17:23.11 | _snowball | hovefirse, umm.. I guess put it back to on. iwconfig wlan0 essid on |
| 17:23.26 | eshat | thewanderer1: woow, thanks, it seems to be even more powerful that figlet |
| 17:23.27 | _snowball | Then try iwconfig wlan0 mode managed |
| 17:23.35 | hovefirse | jordanm: Latest stable, sounds good enough! |
| 17:23.51 | jordanm | hovefirse: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 17:24.11 | jordanm | or uname -r |
| 17:24.15 | butch42 | thewanderer1: Thanks. I will try that one then. Do you use libvirt or virt-manager? |
| 17:24.40 | thewanderer1 | butch42: no, I once played with that but I reverted and now I'm using some custom-made scripts on the servers |
| 17:24.47 | botmind | thewanderer1: not sure what do you mean by EMI or PSU but I'm using the headphones and they work perfectly clean with a physical audio player for ex |
| 17:25.21 | thewanderer1 | botmind: the power supply was generating electromagnetic interference in my case... worth checking |
| 17:26.01 | hovefirse | jordanm: 2.6.32-24-generic |
| 17:26.17 | jordanm | hovefirse: ubuntu is not supported here... sigh.. |
| 17:26.29 | jordanm | atleast we don't have to worry about a debian bug |
| 17:26.35 | botmind | cahoot: well this reset just raised the volume to 80% but the noise is still there.. |
| 17:26.38 | _snowball | hovefirse, does dmesg reveal anything interesting? |
| 17:26.41 | butch42 | thewanderer1: Do you remember if you got virt-manager start a machine with hardware enabled virtualization? That's what I am trying to. |
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| 17:26.45 | hovefirse | dmesg |
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| 17:27.02 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 17:27.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:27.12 | thewanderer1 | butch42: never did that. I was only testing virt-manager with container-based virtualization, not KVM |
| 17:27.16 | botmind | thewanderer1: and no, I just insert my headphones jack into the soundcard audio out |
| 17:27.24 | jordanm | hovefirse: please move over to #ubuntu |
| 17:27.33 | hovefirse | _snowball: Nothing, really |
| 17:27.47 | botmind | I suspect this might be an issue with PCI bus latency |
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| 17:27.54 | _snowball | hovefirse, dmesg | grep wlan0 and paste it. :p |
| 17:28.09 | jordanm | _snowball: you can move over with him if you would like to continue to help |
| 17:28.11 | butch42 | thewanderer1: As a side-node: Do you know wether output on "lsof /dev/kvm" is a sure sign for hardware enabled virtualization? Other tests? |
| 17:28.34 | _snowball | jordanm, huh? |
| 17:28.50 | thewanderer1 | butch42: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:28.50 | _snowball | Oh. |
| 17:28.55 | _snowball | He's running ubuntu.. :;p |
| 17:28.57 | hovefirse | _snowball: http://pastebin.com/et5JzVVj |
| 17:29.17 | botmind | But can anyone tell, wether Master control absense is a normal thing or no? |
| 17:29.20 | butch42 | thewanderer1: The flag is there. But that does not mean a running qemu does use it. |
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| 17:29.36 | thewanderer1 | butch42: only kvm will use it, qemu itself will not |
| 17:29.55 | butch42 | thewanderer1: "qemu -enable-kvm" should however. |
| 17:29.59 | cahoot | botmind: certainly not |
| 17:30.07 | _snowball | hovefirse, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/548992 |
| 17:30.38 | jordanm | oh, look at that, a bug specific to ubuntu.. |
| 17:30.46 | butch42 | thewanderer1: Anyway .. I am satisfied if kvm runs my machine. As far as I understand, it is a flavour of qemu anyway. |
| 17:31.39 | thewanderer1 | butch42: its user interface is based on qemu, but the virtualization part goes to KVM code, so you could say that... same as Xen. |
| 17:33.45 | butch42 | thewanderer1: I am under the impression that kvm is a qemu patched resp. enhanced to use kvm hardware emulation. And further more kvm and qemu are merging code currently or have merged their code bases. |
| 17:33.45 | botmind | cahoot: hmm thanks! that's what I was also thinking.. on the net there were people with similar issue of course that I've found, but as for those who succeed to get their master back, their fix didn't help for me as it was either swapping headphones control with master or surround |
| 17:34.48 | thewanderer1 | butch42: that about merging would be correct |
| 17:35.04 | botmind | cahoot: but I do not have a separate headphones control on my card.. while the other people were using work arounds like Select Master Channel: PCM in the applications they were using.. same thing I do by now as well |
| 17:35.12 | hovefirse | _snowball: Well, the output don't tell me much :( But as I said, the network adapter works like a charm under gdm. I'd still go for the quotation problem...it's probably as easy as that |
| 17:35.46 | jordanm | hovefirse: ubuntu is offtopic here, please move along |
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| 17:37.00 | butch42 | thewanderer1: So I'd think kvm and "qemu -enable-kvm" should do similar things. But currently "kvm" starts a window with some bios messages, "qemu -enable-kvm" offers a black screen. And I failed up to now to make virt-manager use kvm internally. |
| 17:37.51 | thewanderer1 | butch42: perhaps the qemu version you're using is not yet ready for running KVM... you could always hack libvirt's code :P |
| 17:37.54 | butch42 | thewanderer1: Thanks for your help up to here. I will try some more permutations of installed packages and the like and see if I can get some more debug data from qemu and/or libvirtd. I am about to be called away from screen. |
| 17:38.57 | butch42 | thewanderer1: Reading its code might be enough. That would be good, too, as I am not very good with writing it. ;) |
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| 17:40.41 | BONO | Hello, any a ideia "Your system has a kernel failure" in Debian 64bits? |
| 17:44.52 | eshat | How can I make my fritz.box recognize my hostname ? It does find the names of windows machines and iPhones but for my debian system the (local) DNS Name does not exist |
| 17:46.03 | thewanderer1 | eshat: it's probably resolving the names via NetBIOS or multicast DNS. you can set up a local DNS, start replying to mDNS or just add your hostname to /etc/hosts. |
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| 17:49.16 | eshat | thewanderer1: hmm, I think it is NetBIOS. My hostname is in /etc/hosts but still not working,... thanks I will check this |
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| 17:49.54 | jhutchins_lt | I believe there is a known problem auto-mounting usb drives under KDE in lenny - is there a fix? |
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| 17:49.57 | thewanderer1 | if /etc/hosts doesn't work, you're probably in another dimension... |
| 17:50.26 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: are you getting some silly HAL policy error messages? |
| 17:51.02 | eshat | thewanderer1: what you mean by anther dimension ? |
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| 17:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Actually, it doesn't mention HAL at all (which makes sense, since udev replaced hal). |
| 17:52.16 | thewanderer1 | eshat: as in "/etc/hosts is hard to get wrong" and "you who enter abandon all logic" |
| 17:52.29 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, but not in Lenny, still |
| 17:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=2643 comm="kded [kdeinit] --new-startup ") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=2212 comm="/usr/sbin/hald ")) |
| 17:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, there it is, yes hal. |
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| 17:53.20 | mtphys | forget about the house of cards |
| 17:53.21 | thewanderer1 | I can't seem to remember the fix, I think you have to get some new fdi policy files |
| 17:53.44 | Oom | Hey guys can someone tell me what's wrong here http://pastebin.com/6APUwchS |
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| 17:54.07 | TheOne | hi, i need some debian gnome user that tries to run gparted from menu (i only use kde4) |
| 17:54.08 | Oom | yes this 164 line pastebin is how you install a game |
| 17:54.44 | Oom | but yea every game i try to run segfaults on me with no error |
| 17:55.17 | TheOne | the default gparted.desktop uses gksu which quites with an error but maybe not with a default gnome desktop |
| 17:55.30 | thewanderer1 | Oom: so you get proprietary games and wonder why they don't work... this is usually hard to debug |
| 17:55.33 | TheOne | can someone try this please? |
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| 17:56.02 | Oom | lol proprietary |
| 17:56.08 | Oom | its opensource and free man |
| 17:56.12 | Oom | and made for linux soely |
| 17:56.28 | Oom | the official debian package doesnt work for me, i dont know how that is proprietary |
| 17:57.37 | thewanderer1 | oh. so compile that from source. |
| 17:57.53 | Oom | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/Debian_5.0/ |
| 17:58.23 | doublehp | sensors stopped working at 1AM (1h before winter time change); i was working on the machine, maybe i did something wrong, but i was not working on kernel or modules; what can be wrong ? http://pastebin.com/Wegz9uLw it's a server , i avoid rebooting for so few. |
| 17:59.30 | thewanderer1 | Oom: look, it's from the SUSE guys. do you think the binary release is really tested well? |
| 17:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked that half an hour ago! and got some answers! |
| 17:59.55 | thewanderer1 | perhaps on SUSE, but I doubt many tests are done on Debian, so really, you'd better get down to compiling |
| 18:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: What _were_ you working on? |
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| 18:00.35 | Oom | lol |
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| 18:01.07 | Oom | alright ill compile it from source then |
| 18:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps more like 2 hours, but it's again the exact same question |
| 18:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | Oom: Well, build your own deb |
| 18:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I have a couple of ideas that weren't mentioned earlier, but if you're not going to reply I'm not going to sit around waiting. |
| 18:03.20 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: i don't understand the use of a past verbe; and your nick is horrible to quote |
| 18:03.31 | TheOne | no gnome user who wants to try run gparted from menu? |
| 18:03.49 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt i just used to have "sensors" command to return probes, and, it does not any more. |
| 18:04.09 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: First question was what _were_ you working on. |
| 18:04.32 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt and i don't understand the question |
| 18:04.54 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: You said you were not working on kernel modules, implying that you were working on something. What? |
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| 18:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: At our around the time when sensors failed. |
| 18:05.14 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt hmmm , mostly Munin plugins |
| 18:05.59 | Oom | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopenal |
| 18:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Sounds like _exactly_ the kind of thing that would affect sensors, since it has the potential to interact with them. |
| 18:06.13 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt box has 5d uptime, it happened 2h before winter time change, and 5h before daily cron (that did logrotate ) it odes not match anything special |
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| 18:06.30 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I would consider backing out whatever munin stuff you installed, I would purge and reinstall lm_sensors and re-run sensors-detect. |
| 18:06.32 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt how can a munin plugin break sensors ? |
| 18:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: It's possible that a munin substitute has taken over the sensor devices. |
| 18:07.04 | eshat | thewanderer1: I found the solution... I had to uncomment 'send host-name "hostname";' and 'send dhcp-client-identifier MAC_ADRESS;' in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 18:07.35 | thewanderer1 | eshat: oh, I didn't know you had a DHCP+DNS server running there :P |
| 18:07.39 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt i had not edited any sensor related plugin. plugins run the sensors command; they don't access HW directly |
| 18:08.00 | eshat | thewanderer1: well, it is a fritz box... it runs a nice linux system :D |
| 18:08.25 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: have you checked for any stale processes accessing the sensors? |
| 18:08.34 | thewanderer1 | perhaps some syscall is stuck with that |
| 18:08.36 | doublehp | thewanderer1: lsof ? |
| 18:08.51 | eshat | by the way, fritz.box routers are the bet out there IMO |
| 18:08.53 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't really know what to grep for... look through the process list, then lsof |
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| 18:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Ok, preliminary research confirms that munin does use lm-sensors rather than it's own modules, so the thing to do is to re-run the sensors-detect script. |
| 18:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I would also google munin lm-sensors and take a look at the instructions for getting them to interact. |
| 18:10.04 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt already reran detect |
| 18:10.17 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: sensors-detect should configure the initscript to start the correct modules, look at what it's done there, see why the modules might not be loading. |
| 18:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Also, I recall an explicit error message that gave you two options: update your BIOS or set a specific hardware address, and I'll wager you have done niether of those things. |
| 18:11.26 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: When you get an error message like that, you have to do one or the other or use a different software package. |
| 18:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: You can't just keep doing the same thing and expect it to come out differently. |
| 18:12.06 | doublehp | again and again : http://pastebin.com/VVvBm2hv |
| 18:12.32 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt modules is loaded ( lsmod ) |
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| 18:13.01 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt i won't update my bios: box has 5d uptime, and it's been working the 4 first days |
| 18:13.54 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt plus, i don't know which address i could pass to the kernel |
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| 18:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Think I found it, add user to plugdev group. |
| 18:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: The thing about error messages is that it helps if you READ them. |
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| 18:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: It's possible that something (likely munin) caused your lm-sensors package to update, which made it more sensitive to the BIOS error. |
| 18:16.18 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt updating BIOS is out od order. direct question: how can i know which address I need to pass ? |
| 18:16.24 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: In any case, it's always smart to check for BIOS updates and apply them if they're available. |
| 18:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Five days is nothing, I've had over two years uptime on an NT4 box. |
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| 18:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: It was in the error message you posted earlier. |
| 18:17.30 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.17 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: That doesn't change what the error message said. |
| 18:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | Back soon, got to log back in to test usb. |
| 18:19.36 | doublehp | => how do i know which address to pass ? |
| 18:19.55 | jhutchins_lt | read the frickin' error message! |
| 18:19.56 | deepy | What's the fatest way to share an internet connection? |
| 18:20.01 | deepy | iptables and NAT? |
| 18:20.32 | doublehp | force_addr=0xaddr !! |
| 18:20.39 | doublehp | r is not a valid value |
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| 18:21.10 | doublehp | what means, "addr" must be reaplced by $addr ... and i am asking whichvalue to put in |
| 18:21.32 | doublehp | deepy: it's gonna be iptables anyway/ |
| 18:21.50 | doublehp | deepy: unless you have a router, and can add a switch |
| 18:21.59 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yeah, that was it. |
| 18:22.14 | deepy | I could go for pf :p |
| 18:22.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: sorry, I was in the console fighting lxc... |
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| 18:24.17 | jhutchins_lt | Added user to plugdev group, logged back in, usb drive mounted (twice). |
| 18:24.59 | jhutchins_lt | deepy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 18:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Of course, your other option is to restore the backup you made before you started working on munin. |
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| 18:26.59 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt Munin never stopped working. are you "really" reading me ? the only thing that does not work, is the sensors command. For the 3rd time: how do i determine the address to pass to the driver ? |
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| 18:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp, have you pasted the results of sensors-detect? |
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| 18:29.27 | Talon_ | i've installed debian squeeze/sid on a toshiba satellite m35-s320 and it works wonderful, but I have one problem, it seems the sd card reader isn't installed. how do i even find out if debian sees it? |
| 18:30.01 | doublehp | what's the wgetpaste package ? |
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| 18:31.01 | doublehp | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/9yYa3JP1 |
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| 18:31.36 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Check your scrollbuffer in irc. |
| 18:33.32 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: What is the error message you get when you run the sensors command now? |
| 18:33.47 | aitap | Hello. I am building a live system using live-build. I wrote a simple "shell" hook in chroot_local-hooks that runs a ahell in chroot and I'm trying to dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration. When I run it on my "main" system (on this notebook), it asks me some questions (my keyboard model, layout, swithiing model). But in the chroot it asks me only for layout! What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:33.51 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: Check your scrollbuffer in irc. |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Hey, glad to be of help, I'm gonna go work on my yard. It ain't me that's got a problem. |
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| 18:36.35 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt the error message did not change ; same as first time: : http://pastebin.com/VVvBm2hv |
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| 18:41.24 | aitap | doublehp, you should have said "yes" at the last question of sensors-detect |
| 18:41.28 | Oom | titties |
| 18:41.51 | doublehp | aitap: yes hardly say no ! |
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| 18:42.58 | aitap | doublehp, but in http://pastebin.com/9yYa3JP1 it seems that you have said "no". Anyway, can you show your /etc/modules? |
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| 18:43.47 | doublehp | aitap: you are wrong, Successfull means it did it. http://pastebin.com/FxrrMper |
| 18:44.22 | aitap | doublehp, lsmod | grep via686a ? |
| 18:45.19 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/KPYL9BZi |
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| 19:39.42 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:47.19 | tuv | hasn't anyone considered implementing linux' software raid as a windows driver? that would be cool |
| 19:47.59 | thewanderer1 | I'd rather see Windows implemented as a Linux library... heck, we're getting close with Wine :P |
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| 19:48.57 | thewanderer1 | Windows has always had its proprietary fakeraid and agreements with the vendors and that's highly unlikely to change - market value would suffer if the sellers resigned from putting the RAID stamp on the box :P |
| 19:50.13 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I do not know a raid-capable mobo that'd do hardware raid. |
| 19:50.17 | tuv | i was talking about an independent community effort. an installable add-on driver for whoever wishes to use it |
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| 19:50.43 | eptalon | tuv: driver for what? |
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| 19:51.07 | tuv | linux software raid |
| 19:51.15 | thewanderer1 | better not, for it might share the fate of BSD network stack in Windows... |
| 19:51.38 | tuv | thewanderer1: not if it was GPL'd |
| 19:51.52 | eptalon | tuv: there are tools (like mdadm) that plug into kernel code, iirc. |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | eptalon: they excist, they're not cheap |
| 19:52.06 | eptalon | abrotman: can you give an example? |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | eptalon: I've seen them, i don't feel like finding one .. but i have seen them |
| 19:52.41 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: server-grade boards offer hw raid |
| 19:52.49 | abrotman | eptalon: supermicro used to make a fair number of them |
| 19:52.58 | eptalon | thewanderer1: Again, I have not seen any. |
| 19:53.32 | tuv | supermicro used to put adaptec adapters onboard |
| 19:53.47 | tuv | i had one of those |
| 19:54.00 | tuv | (that was scsi though) |
| 19:54.03 | thewanderer1 | I think Dell has some PERC stuff inside |
| 19:55.32 | abrotman | PERC or CERC? |
| 19:56.00 | eptalon | I was wondering to what extent linux supported the intel-processors with onboard gfx (like i5-661) |
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| 19:56.37 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: seem supported in the new kernels (2.6.36? perhaps even earlier) |
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| 19:56.48 | abrotman | eptalon: i have numerous machines with intel gfx .. they all work fine |
| 19:57.07 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: he meant specifically the GPU embedded within the CPU |
| 19:57.09 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I am on sid, and have 2.6.32, there don't seem to be newer kernels |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | (i am not a PC gamer, so i can't attest to GLX graphics stuff) |
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| 19:58.02 | eptalon | abrotman: basic idea was to build a "RAID"-tower, without the need of a gfx card. |
| 19:58.15 | eptalon | doing linux sw raid ofc |
| 19:58.59 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: I have a Core i3-530 in this machine but unfortunately not a H55 but a P55 mobo so can't really check... this webpage http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html says it's supported |
| 19:59.03 | eptalon | Other question would be, to what extent my system keeps working if I plug the hdd's from a Pentium D into a i5 based mobo |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | eptalon: i don't see what the gfx card has to do with it .. just buy a cheap garbage board and throw it in .. only has to do text/CLI |
| 19:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp, well, seems to find it |
| 19:59.49 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: if the hardware is fine, it will still work, that's what we have standards for |
| 20:00.46 | eptalon | abrotman: P55-based ITX board, with a number of hdd's; basically "raid tower", plus "media center" |
| 20:00.57 | eptalon | er h55... |
| 20:01.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah, good catch :P |
| 20:01.34 | tuv | eptalon: GA H55N-USB3 ? |
| 20:01.48 | abrotman | eptalon: are you going to do hwraid or swraid ? |
| 20:02.09 | eptalon | abrotman: swraid. Can't afford a decent hw controller |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | eptalon: then why does the onboard RAID matter? why does the onboard video matter? |
| 20:02.39 | ScottG | What program could I use to get the output from /dev/video0 (laptops webcam) |
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| 20:02.45 | thewanderer1 | I can recommend GA-P55-UD3L, but it's by no means ITX. and the name is confusing. rev. 2.0 is H55 while rev. 1.0 is P55, I have the earlier one :) |
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| 20:02.59 | eptalon | tuv: zotac h55-itx, with wifi support |
| 20:03.16 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: xawtv is known to "just work" |
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| 20:03.25 | tuv | eptalon: GA > zotac, but i guess it has fewer SATA ports |
| 20:03.50 | eptalon | tuv: board is like usd 150 |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | eptalon: which country are you in? |
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| 20:04.40 | eptalon | abrotman: switzerland |
| 20:04.57 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind, i think that company is english |
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| 20:05.08 | eptalon | tuv: 4 SATA ports vs. 6 sata ports. |
| 20:05.23 | eptalon | tuv: if one is lost to optical drive, 5 remain |
| 20:05.24 | thewanderer1 | who's gonna fit 6 disks into a mini-ITX enclosure? |
| 20:05.35 | tuv | eptalon: yeah.. that's what i meant by 'fewer SATA ports' |
| 20:05.36 | derchris | i do |
| 20:05.48 | tolland | hi i am using foremost to look at some corrutped files, and I get a segmentation fault |
| 20:05.52 | tolland | how to enable core dumps? |
| 20:05.55 | eptalon | Lian LI has a case that does. |
| 20:06.16 | tuv | thewanderer1: http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/pc-q08/flyer.html |
| 20:06.19 | derchris | i have one from fractual design |
| 20:06.23 | ScottG | thewanderer1: I think I asked my question wrong. I have gotten the video to work, I can get it to display using cheese. I want more low level control over it, though, such as being able to write it to a file. |
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| 20:07.00 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: xawtv has a 'record' function. if you want to just dump the data stream, though, a normal cat would do |
| 20:07.02 | eptalon | derchris: I probably had that first, but then decided against it, as it won't be a pure nas thing |
| 20:07.23 | derchris | i don't need a 5 1/4 slot, so was ok for me |
| 20:07.42 | derchris | have it running with 6x sata + 1 ssd |
| 20:07.57 | ScottG | thewanderer1: cat doesn't seem to work but I will check out that program |
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| 20:08.44 | abrotman | ScottG: what is your WM/DE ? |
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| 20:32.47 | lenswipe | derchris, http://pastebin.com/KPQTAGV4 |
| 20:33.15 | derchris | 127.0.0.1 ce03 localhost |
| 20:34.07 | lenswipe | ce03? |
| 20:34.10 | lenswipe | not C03 |
| 20:34.16 | Diytto | eptalon: Well... Osx has wireless drivers but i am thinking that would not affect it |
| 20:34.20 | derchris | yeah, c03 |
| 20:34.53 | lenswipe | derchris, heh - that fixed it |
| 20:34.54 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 20:34.54 | Diytto | Any way i can get these drivers? |
| 20:35.01 | Diytto | Its a lot easier to use with wifi |
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| 20:36.08 | Diytto | :< |
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| 20:37.33 | karamorf | I'm using debian squeeze and I need to be using perl 5.12 instead of 5.10. Whats the recommend way to install a specific package like that from unstable? |
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| 20:38.52 | thewanderer1 | !tell karamorf about apt-pinning |
| 20:39.06 | b0tm1nd | thewanderer1: well I didn't know there is a cycle.. but I was certainly concerned that their packages are much freshier than of Lenny |
| 20:39.28 | b0tm1nd | !tell b0tm1nd about apt-pinning |
| 20:39.38 | thewanderer1 | b0tm1nd: well, if you tried living on Sid you'd certainly feel "fresh" :P |
| 20:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell b0tm1nd -about selftell |
| 20:40.40 | b0tm1nd | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, right, reasonable |
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| 20:40.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 20:42.11 | b0tm1nd | CutMeOwnThroat: but.. from the other hand this only could be considered to spam, as someone might find my selftell relevant to himselff as well.. like thewanderer1 for ex after his message |
| 20:42.17 | jelly-home | karamorf: that specific package is at the same version in both testing and unstable |
| 20:42.46 | b0tm1nd | thewanderer1: well I'm going to leave on sqeeze with what I know now is apt-pinning with sid |
| 20:43.01 | b0tm1nd | live* |
| 20:43.24 | jelly-home | karamorf: perl is an important part of the Debian system; if you require a newer version than what's available in your distro, you can build it from source in a separate prefix |
| 20:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | he hasn't told himself... and I didn't make that factoid or rule |
| 20:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whateva... so perhaps we drop it now |
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| 20:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nickometer _____________ |
| 20:45.05 | dpkg | '_____________' is 99.9929% lame, cutmeownthroat |
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| 20:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's even lamer than I thought :) |
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| 20:46.06 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: tell yourself about selftell |
| 20:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, no, I fear the universe will implode in paradox |
| 20:47.11 | eptalon | how big a chance do I have that a wireless card will be supported in debian? |
| 20:47.15 | karamorf | jelly-home: Oh, ya. I meant experimental. I take it compiling from source is better? |
| 20:48.06 | jelly-home | karamorf: depends on whether you like fixing a broken debian OSes or not |
| 20:48.15 | jelly-home | s/a / |
| 20:48.21 | jelly-home | damn. |
| 20:48.56 | karamorf | jelly-home: hmm. the short version being if I install something from experimental, a dependency it also install might break the system? |
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| 20:49.28 | b0tm1nd | thewanderer1: then, Squeeze might be freshier than Ubuntu? |
| 20:49.45 | jelly-home | karamorf: real /msg dpkg experimental |
| 20:49.49 | jelly-home | read* |
| 20:50.10 | jelly-home | sorry, I seem unable to type today |
| 20:50.11 | b0tm1nd | but what a strange name, Squeeze! |
| 20:50.38 | thewanderer1 | b0tm1nd: Sid might be freshier than Ubuntu, Squeeze may be more stable though :P |
| 20:50.54 | robokop | b0tm1nd: and squeeze is a cute alien from toy story |
| 20:51.14 | b0tm1nd | thewanderer1: well I've been already told about sid.. |
| 20:51.26 | b0tm1nd | and pieces |
| 20:51.42 | tuv | testing (squeeze atm) rules |
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| 20:51.50 | thewanderer1 | yes, my piece collection on my desk is a nice thing to look at |
| 20:51.56 | karamorf | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 20:52.09 | eptalon | b0tm1nd: Real situation from sid, from a few days ago: the boot manager (grub) was broken, and needed "manual booting" for a few days. |
| 20:52.13 | thewanderer1 | plays well with KDE4's exploding window Compiz effect |
| 20:52.37 | b0tm1nd | robokop: hmm looks like Google's Android |
| 20:52.49 | eptalon | b0tm1nd: That situation would not occur in squeeze |
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| 20:54.41 | b0tm1nd | eptalon: hmm well I've gotten my master drive's grub also broken with error 21 when I tried to install Lenny on a USB flash drive.. and I had to reinstall it with rescue mode so could get back here |
| 20:55.33 | eptalon | b0tm1nd: I am not talking about user error, I am talking about simply updating grub and it not working any more |
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| 20:56.29 | bartzy | Hi |
| 20:56.38 | eptalon | hello |
| 20:57.03 | b0tm1nd | eptalon: but this is not user error... During the Ubuntu USB hard drive installation process, Grub was accidently moved from the internal hard drive to their external hard drive, rendering the original Linux system unbootable without the external drive plugged in. |
| 20:57.39 | b0tm1nd | it was Debian Lenny installation though but other than that it was exactly like above |
| 20:58.16 | bartzy | Can I create multiple certificates from one private key ? Or should I create a private key for each certificate (each domain I host..) ? |
| 20:58.40 | Diytto | I have yaboot :3 |
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| 21:06.19 | ScottG | Strange, when I open /dev/video with vlc the video seems to be lower quality/resolution than it is when I open it with cheese |
| 21:07.08 | thewanderer1 | well, xawtv should have more luck with it... I remember that it worked better than VLC when I was trying to capture a TV card's output |
| 21:07.27 | ScottG | It isn't a TV card, just a webcam |
| 21:08.09 | ScottG | I just want raw control over my webcam. So I can basically output video or picture from it to a file |
| 21:08.32 | thewanderer1 | so you need some program which supports V4L(2) |
| 21:09.01 | thewanderer1 | there are for instance some webcam scripts which output a JPEG every N seconds (in the repo, can't remember the name) |
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| 21:09.43 | ScottG | Yea, I do want v4l. I'll see what's in the repo for that |
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| 21:13.33 | bartzy | How can I know which package installed a file that I have on my system ? |
| 21:13.56 | llutz | bartzy: dpkg -S file |
| 21:14.00 | bartzy | thanks. |
| 21:14.27 | bartzy | and can I search which package has a certain file ? |
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| 21:14.33 | bartzy | even if I don't have the file ? |
| 21:14.37 | thewanderer1 | !apt-file |
| 21:14.37 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 21:14.39 | llutz | apt-file search |
| 21:15.28 | bartzy | cool thanks. |
| 21:15.32 | bartzy | How can I search that online ? :| |
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| 21:16.01 | Connor1 | Sup |
| 21:17.29 | thewanderer1 | bartzy: http://packages.debian.org |
| 21:17.50 | bartzy | oh thanks. |
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| 21:18.33 | glick | hey does anyone have a canon pixma 870 working with linux? i had it working once they had a .deb driver but it doesnt seem to be available anymopre |
| 21:19.35 | thewanderer1 | runs in terror on the mention of Canon printerosaurus |
| 21:20.14 | thewanderer1 | I replaced my Canon with HP cause I couldn't stand jumping through hoops under Debian |
| 21:20.43 | zeroedout | Hi i have distcc running on my i486 debian box and i'm trying to compile stuff on my gentoo nocona (amd64) box. unfortunetly, i get x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc not found on the debian box. Is there a package with it or do i just symlink i486-linux-gnu-gcc ? |
| 21:21.16 | glick | why is canon such a douche company? |
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| 21:21.31 | thewanderer1 | zeroedout: are you sure this multi-platform compile is gonna work? |
| 21:22.02 | nsadmin | glick... |
| 21:22.05 | thewanderer1 | I thought you needed the same compiler versions installed, at least... |
| 21:22.06 | zeroedout | no... but i just need it to spit out nocona code, don't need it to run on the debian box.... |
| 21:22.07 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 21:22.07 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 21:22.11 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 21:22.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:22.16 | zeroedout | yupz, they are the same version of gcc |
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| 21:22.47 | qwd | Hi, I'm trying to do an audio conversation with my friend. I'm on Debian Squeeze AMD64 with Ekiga 3.2.7 and my friend is on Ubuntu 10.04 32bit with Ekiga 3.2.6. We both succeed with the echo test, but I can't hear my friend and my friend can hear me. |
| 21:23.05 | thewanderer1 | zeroedout: if you're compiling only remotely then you should probably disable compilation on the local box... |
| 21:23.15 | thewanderer1 | but then I'm not sure how exactly you would link that |
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| 21:24.44 | zeroedout | hrmm. thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:29.21 | debiantonio | glick, see this: MX870 series ScanGear MP Ver. 1.50 for Linux (debian Packagearchive) |
| 21:29.46 | mmnicolas | does anyone know of a nice and easy way to have two drives behaving as one and auto replicating on each other ? |
| 21:29.47 | debiantonio | glick, File name : scangearmp-mx870series-1.50-1-i386-deb.tar.gz |
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| 21:30.22 | glick | debiantonio, where is that in thedebian archives? |
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| 21:31.07 | thewanderer1 | mmnicolas: you mean RAID1? mdraid on Linux... |
| 21:31.26 | drewc | hello #debian. I'm trying to install debian on a machine i have no physical access to, but the install media is in the CDROM drive. The machine has SAS disks that require the aic94xx firmware. I can get networking configured in the installer, and download the firmware, but where do i put in so that the installer will recognize my disks? |
| 21:31.30 | glick | debiantonio, oh yeah, i saw that but when i click the download link i get and error |
| 21:31.31 | glick | /tmp/7ZkRLo+e.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. |
| 21:31.31 | glick | Try again later, or contact the server administrator. |
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| 21:32.29 | debiantonio | glick, may be paste url here? |
| 21:33.12 | glick | http://support-ph.canon-asia.com/contents/PH/EN/0100273002.html |
| 21:33.27 | debiantonio | glick, fine download here |
| 21:33.45 | glick | debiantonio, you can download it fine? |
| 21:34.02 | debiantonio | glick, yeah --> http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0100273002.html |
| 21:34.27 | glick | debhelper, you clicked on the download link? |
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| 21:34.42 | debiantonio | glick, yes |
| 21:35.00 | glick | maybe i have to upgrade firefox |
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| 21:36.14 | debiantonio | glick, untar sucessfull |
| 21:36.39 | glick | hmm works with chromium |
| 21:36.52 | debiantonio | glick, put save link as... |
| 21:37.54 | debiantonio | glick, reboot now for knoppix usb pendrive here |
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| 21:38.57 | abrotman | glick: how is this a Debian question? |
| 21:39.29 | mmnicolas | thewanderer1: can you easily replace harddrives when one fails with raid1 ? |
| 21:39.45 | thewanderer1 | mmnicolas: yeah. it's designed for this. |
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| 21:45.59 | bartzy | where I should store my htpasswd file ? |
| 21:49.16 | dondelelcaro | bartzy: wherever makes sense |
| 21:53.12 | derchris | but better not in http root ;) |
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| 21:54.59 | drewc | whoops, network went down, but if anyone can help with my previous question i'm all ears |
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| 22:07.05 | debiantonio | glick: download ok? |
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| 22:14.48 | Talon_ | anybody here farmilliar with polkit? |
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| 22:18.12 | Talon_ | I would like to modify some of the policy files to allow any of my system admins the ability to use things without having to auth with the root password. I've manned polkit and the options are no/yes/auth_self/auth_admin/auth_self_keep/auth_admin_keep and expiramenting, no means nobody can do it, and yes means anybody can do it.. theres no way to say admins... anybody got any ideas? I'm about to just make it yes rather than auth |
| 22:18.12 | Talon_ | _admin_keep but i really dont want normal users having that kinda power, but it drives me nuts it asking for my root password on dumb stuff like cpufreq |
| 22:19.58 | Talon_ | either that or I'm just gonna haveto delete my admin account and just login as root to avoid those nags |
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| 22:20.27 | ashp | Hmm, wish I understood iozone better, I'm trying to compare the i/o of debian vs rhel in our vsphere environment |
| 22:20.44 | ashp | and according to this debian is several times faster on most things, which can't be right |
| 22:21.44 | thewanderer1 | why? :P |
| 22:23.36 | ashp | well, if I do an rsync --progress and copy a 1.2G file around it's only a little faster |
| 22:23.45 | ashp | i may use this as evidence at work to consider swapping to debian from rhel |
| 22:24.08 | ashp | I need a better io benchmark, something that can produce reports that can be charted/compared easily between machines, i reckon |
| 22:24.12 | ashp | so i can do several boxes |
| 22:25.47 | Connor1 | Question, can I install Debian to a laptop with this method? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
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| 22:28.14 | thewanderer1 | Connor1: you could just try http://goodbye-microsoft.com/pub/debian.exe |
| 22:28.23 | Connor1 | Uhm |
| 22:28.24 | Connor1 | the_lalelu |
| 22:28.26 | Connor1 | thewanderer1 * |
| 22:28.30 | Connor1 | I need to install Debian on my laptop |
| 22:28.47 | Connor1 | And the live cds aren't working |
| 22:28.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Connor1 about usb install |
| 22:28.57 | Connor1 | I have no dvd drive so I'm having to use unetbootin with a flash drive |
| 22:29.02 | Connor1 | jpinx-eeepc I'm already trying those |
| 22:29.09 | Connor1 | They work with pretty much every other distro =/ |
| 22:29.34 | debiantonio | try knoppix |
| 22:29.45 | Connor1 | Why? |
| 22:29.52 | debiantonio | live |
| 22:29.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: my eeepc has nothing - only usb |
| 22:30.09 | Connor1 | debiantonio I don't want Knoppix lol |
| 22:30.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: ignore debiantonio . just follow the factoid from dpkg |
| 22:30.21 | debiantonio | now running knoppix usb 4gb |
| 22:30.36 | debiantonio | play tv |
| 22:30.37 | Connor1 | jpinx-eeepc what do you mean? |
| 22:30.41 | debiantonio | play dvd |
| 22:30.49 | debiantonio | web |
| 22:30.51 | debiantonio | mail |
| 22:31.01 | jpinx-eeepc | debiantonio: stop trolling |
| 22:31.12 | debiantonio | ytol lol ?) |
| 22:31.41 | ashp | Wow, these are depressing stats |
| 22:31.41 | ashp | here is the rhel mixed workload: Mixed workload " 649781.01 |
| 22:31.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !usb install |
| 22:31.42 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 22:31.50 | ashp | debian: Mixed workload " 2486944.73 |
| 22:31.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: ^^^ |
| 22:31.53 | ashp | So, yeah, not good. |
| 22:32.09 | Connor1 | Ahahaha |
| 22:32.11 | abrotman | debiantonio: this is NOT #knoppix .. please take it somewhere else |
| 22:32.15 | debiantonio | yes, debian live too |
| 22:32.18 | Connor1 | I was talking to the wrong person and he cleaned out the bank of the guild he's in |
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| 22:33.38 | debiantonio | abrotman, ok but is linux-live |
| 22:33.55 | abrotman | stop telling people to use knoppix |
| 22:34.49 | debiantonio | abrotman: ok :) here debian |
| 22:34.57 | Connor1 | Dang... |
| 22:35.01 | Connor1 | I can't install Debian from this |
| 22:35.05 | Connor1 | Also LXDE is freaking nice |
| 22:35.09 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about setting an environment variable for LXC container init process? |
| 22:35.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: why not? |
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| 22:35.21 | debiantonio | frek GTk2 |
| 22:35.29 | thewanderer1 | I basically need /sbin/init to ignore selinux. |
| 22:35.30 | Connor1 | jpinx-eeepc because it's not an installer image |
| 22:35.55 | jpinx-eeepc | what isn't? - you ccan get the installer image as it tells you |
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| 22:36.02 | Connor1 | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
| 22:36.04 | Connor1 | That one |
| 22:36.23 | abrotman | Connor1: so if it works, just use it |
| 22:36.28 | thewanderer1 | PLD guys are saying I should run it like this: SELINUX_INIT=no /sbin/init |
| 22:36.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: did you not read the factoid above? your link is not official debian |
| 22:36.38 | thewanderer1 | but lxc-start seems to lose env |
| 22:37.15 | Connor1 | jpinx-eeepc query |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | keep it here |
| 22:37.40 | Connor1 | rror: Connection reset by peer) |
| 22:37.40 | Connor1 | <Connor1> jpinx-eeepc because it's |
| 22:37.41 | Connor1 | Er |
| 22:37.43 | Connor1 | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 22:37.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Connor1: do NOT pm me like that |
| 22:37.53 | Connor1 | Which of these would I use for a flash drive install, cdrom, hd-media, or netboot? |
| 22:37.54 | debiantonio | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 22:37.55 | Connor1 | jpinx-eeepc my apologies. |
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| 22:47.46 | Connor1 | Whenever I try to boot using a net install iso, I get this error. "debian usb install non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode" Any ideas on what I should do? |
| 22:48.37 | Connor1 | Er |
| 22:49.02 | Connor1 | EC: non-query interrupt received, switching to interrupt mode |
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| 22:54.29 | debiantonio | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 22:59.29 | cafuego | What do the cool kids use these days as spam checker with postfix? |
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| 23:03.40 | Connor1 | debiantonio I'm using different image now and it's hanging at "Booting the kernel." |
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| 23:09.30 | debiantonio | Connor1: ok |
| 23:09.40 | Connor1 | Any ideas on what I should do? |
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| 23:13.15 | Connor1 | Squeeze installer booted |
| 23:13.53 | bostrt | hi, i just did a fresh install of Debian on my desktop. I'm having some trouble getting the sound card working, It's an audigy SB which i know has had a lot of trouble i'm not sure where to start (i am using emu10k1) |
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| 23:14.42 | abrotman | !tell bostrt about alsa checklist |
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| 23:18.32 | bostrt | abrotman, check is checked. on the list it says to modprobe snd-pcm-oss, i thought all oss modules were supposed to be rm'd |
| 23:18.55 | abrotman | bostrt: some apps still use OSS interfaces .. you can leave them loaded if you want |
| 23:19.09 | bostrt | oh, well they are all unloaded anyways |
| 23:19.18 | abrotman | so sound fails as root also ? |
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| 23:19.23 | bostrt | yea |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | bostrt: what is uname -r ? |
| 23:20.10 | bostrt | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:20.47 | bostrt | i compiled a custom kernel earlier with all the sound drivers i don't need removed and no OSS mods. still no sound |
| 23:21.10 | bostrt | but i'm back on the kernel i mentioned above |
| 23:21.13 | Husar | Hello, someone have experience with Cherokee server? :) |
| 23:21.25 | Gnudoll | anyone have pointers to how to get DRI workig on an ATI RAge Mobility P/M (rev 64) ? |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | bostrt: read through 'dmesg' to look for issues ? |
| 23:21.53 | Gnudoll | I'm told that it uses a mach64 chipset |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | Gnudoll: i doubt anything using mach64 can use DRI |
| 23:22.33 | bostrt | abrotman, [ 8.001427] EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:02:0c.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 |
| 23:22.38 | bostrt | that's the only mention of the sound card |
| 23:22.49 | abrotman | any thing in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 23:22.55 | bostrt | yea, it's in there |
| 23:22.56 | Gnudoll | abrotman: web documentation says it can. . . |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | bostrt: have you installed the alsa packages? |
| 23:23.27 | bostrt | yep |
| 23:24.03 | Gnudoll | I'm unable to find documentation on how to configure X for that though. . . |
| 23:24.19 | bostrt | abrotman, when i run 'alsactl init' it says 'Unknow Hardware' |
| 23:24.32 | bostrt | and then 'Hardware is initialized using a guess method' |
| 23:25.14 | abrotman | bostrt: lspci -nn .. what is the device's pciid ? |
| 23:25.59 | bostrt | 1102:0004 |
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| 23:26.15 | bostrt | oops |
| 23:26.21 | bostrt | 02:0c.0 |
| 23:26.23 | bostrt | wrong one |
| 23:26.29 | debiantonio | 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live! 5.1 [SB0220] |
| 23:26.40 | chouchou | hello, pls what security applications or measures are put in place to manage debian applications? |
| 23:26.49 | debiantonio | SB Live! 5.1 [SB0220] (rev.10, serial:0x80651102) at 0xa000, irq 22 |
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| 23:27.13 | mmnicolas | chouchou: dpkg, apt ? |
| 23:28.40 | chouchou | no more than that. supposed I am hosting website from debian. what security measures are going to be put in place to handle security |
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| 23:28.54 | chouchou | block users from unlawfulling access files, |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1102:0004 |
| 23:28.57 | judd | [1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0004 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module. |
| 23:28.58 | chouchou | preventing DDOS |
| 23:29.04 | chouchou | adware, malware |
| 23:29.13 | abrotman | it's not windows |
| 23:29.14 | mmnicolas | chouchou: these would be specific to the service you intend to serve |
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| 23:29.28 | abrotman | bostrt: is the snd-emu10k1 loaded ? |
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| 23:29.50 | bostrt | abrotman, yes sir |
| 23:29.56 | chouchou | I am offering a web hosting service |
| 23:30.00 | k-man | is there some trick with terminals that are black with white writing to make the dark blues more readable? |
| 23:30.01 | mmnicolas | chouchou: in your case you can use apache ssl capabilities |
| 23:30.02 | Nai-ux | what is the name of that command line , ascii letters tool ? |
| 23:30.03 | debiantonio | 2.6.32.6 |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | Nai-ux: figlet ? or whatever it's called ? |
| 23:30.28 | chouchou | ok |
| 23:30.59 | Nai-ux | abrotman: yes that's it. thanks |
| 23:31.18 | stew | Nai-ux: toilet is the one in debian. figlet isn't free |
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| 23:45.18 | thewanderer1 | how can I prevent init from trying to mount selinux and how to specify that option? |
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| 23:46.51 | bostrt | abrotman, when i try and rmmod snd-emu10k1 it says it's in use |
| 23:46.55 | bostrt | that's odd |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | bostrt: is there any other sound server running ? |
| 23:47.37 | bostrt | no there shouldn't be |
| 23:48.15 | bostrt | abrotman, oh, i stopped chromium and it let me rmmod it |
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| 23:54.07 | nsadmin | bostrt: you should probably check... should/shouldn't be isn't what's true (necessarily) |
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| 23:58.32 | chouchou | hello, pls what Cpanel software do you recommend for debian? |
| 23:59.16 | bostrt | nsadmin, i did check and the problem was solved |
