| 00:00.32 | nsadmin | chouchou: what's your use case |
| 00:01.55 | nsadmin | bostrt: oh, right... I must have hit enter before reading what came after |
| 00:02.06 | bostrt | nsadmin, no prob |
| 00:02.13 | chouchou | providing web hosting services. Admin, Reseller, and client |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | chouchou: only DTC is in Debian last i looked |
| 00:02.34 | chouchou | which one is DTC? |
| 00:02.55 | abrotman | it has a website |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | or aptitude show dtc |
| 00:05.34 | chouchou | ok, what about Direct ADMin? |
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| 00:06.37 | drewc | ok, figured it out myself. |
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| 00:07.03 | nsadmin | if that's not in debian you'd be the one (1) finding it, (2) preparing it, (3) deploying it and (4) maintaining it |
| 00:07.40 | chouchou | abrotman: I have been told about DirectAdmin and WEb admin... what do you think about them and waht is the licensing cost of DTC / |
| 00:07.42 | chouchou | ? |
| 00:08.06 | nsadmin | , info dtc |
| 00:08.07 | judd | No record of package 'dtc' in lenny/i386. |
| 00:08.14 | thewanderer1 | ,info dtc-core |
| 00:08.17 | judd | Package dtc-core (admin, extra) in lenny/i386: web control panel for admin and accounting hosting services (fewer depends). Version: 0.29.17-1; Size: 68.1k; Installed: 216k; Homepage: http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html |
| 00:08.24 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 00:09.09 | nsadmin | I'm guessing that's in main and it's GPL |
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| 00:09.25 | chouchou | so can I use it for free? |
| 00:09.39 | nsadmin | there's a web link there |
| 00:09.49 | nsadmin | I'm GUESSING. you have to find out for sure. |
| 00:10.06 | chouchou | yes, but I don't see the license cost there, even when searched in google |
| 00:10.26 | nsadmin | have you read the gpl? |
| 00:11.04 | nsadmin | actually nm, I'm hungry :) |
| 00:12.09 | chouchou | ah ok, I have seen it, thanks |
| 00:12.12 | nsadmin | btw, according to the web link judd posted a few secs ago, dtc is gpl |
| 00:13.23 | nsadmin | directly under WHAT IS DTC |
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| 00:13.58 | darkkrai | has anyone gotten unetbootin to run on lenny 64 bits? |
| 00:15.39 | abrotman | darkkrai: it rarely does .. /msg dpkg usb install |
| 00:16.32 | cusco | darkkrai: I can use it on testing 64bits |
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| 00:17.01 | darkkrai | weird |
| 00:17.46 | sc30317 | hey all, I set up a local mirror using apt-mirror and the following guide (but changed for lenny): http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
| 00:18.05 | sc30317 | now when I try and boot via the network, I get an error message when trying to use the repo |
| 00:18.16 | sc30317 | Bad archive mirror |
| 00:18.33 | sc30317 | the specified Debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror |
| 00:18.35 | sc30317 | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:20.19 | nsadmin | sc30317: which of the two choices in the message is what's going on for your mirror? |
| 00:20.39 | sc30317 | nsadmin, it gives me I think back or try again |
| 00:20.41 | nsadmin | did you read the message yet :) |
| 00:20.43 | sc30317 | h/o ill replicate |
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| 00:21.46 | sc30317 | nsadmin, I have the choices |
| 00:21.50 | sc30317 | <Go Back> |
| 00:21.55 | sc30317 | <Continue> |
| 00:22.07 | sc30317 | and if I hit <Continue> it goes back to where you choose the mirror |
| 00:22.15 | chouchou | do we have SELinux for deboan too ? |
| 00:22.19 | nsadmin | nono, those aren't the choices I mean |
| 00:22.35 | nsadmin | the specified Debian archive mirror is either not available |
| 00:22.43 | sc30317 | It shouldn't matter that my Server is in a VM with bridged networking and my client is booting from a PXE envoirnment, correct? |
| 00:22.44 | nsadmin | that's choice one |
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| 00:22.49 | nsadmin | OR |
| 00:22.57 | nsadmin | does not have a valid Release file on it |
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| 00:22.58 | sc30317 | does not have a valid Release file on it |
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| 00:23.03 | sc30317 | and I checked the server |
| 00:23.31 | sc30317 | and there IS a valid release |
| 00:23.43 | sc30317 | in /var/www/debian/dists/lenny |
| 00:24.09 | sc30317 | because I setup the server to have the location of the mirror in /var/www/debian |
| 00:24.17 | sc30317 | (created a symbolic link) |
| 00:24.30 | nsadmin | if you look at /debian on your mirror, does it show dists? |
| 00:24.43 | sc30317 | yes |
| 00:24.54 | sc30317 | and then within the dists directory |
| 00:24.59 | sc30317 | there was unstable |
| 00:25.15 | sc30317 | and I made a symbolic link within the dists folder for lenny pointing to unstable |
| 00:25.16 | nsadmin | so then your web server will serve /debian/dists/lenny/Release |
| 00:25.26 | sc30317 | nsadmin, yes I belive that it should |
| 00:25.31 | nsadmin | lenny is not unstable |
| 00:25.54 | sc30317 | and I am able to wget the Release file from another computer |
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| 00:26.03 | sc30317 | so I know the server is hosting it properly |
| 00:26.22 | nsadmin | yep, that's clear |
| 00:27.20 | sc30317 | nsadmin, does it seem as if I did everything properly so far? |
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| 00:28.03 | nsadmin | what's not jiving for me is you linking lenny to unstable |
| 00:28.26 | sc30317 | but that shouldn't matter, should it? |
| 00:28.37 | sc30317 | all I did was use apt-mirror |
| 00:28.43 | sc30317 | and it mirrored |
| 00:28.44 | nsadmin | not sure what purpose that serves, and that could be why the Release file is considered invalid |
| 00:28.46 | sc30317 | :D |
| 00:28.51 | sc30317 | okay |
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| 00:28.58 | sc30317 | so should I remove the symbolic link? |
| 00:29.15 | sc30317 | should the installer pick it up if it just has "unstable" |
| 00:29.31 | nsadmin | what's the exact purpose of the mirror? |
| 00:29.46 | sc30317 | I want to do LAN installations |
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| 00:29.56 | sc30317 | I have a couple of clients |
| 00:30.13 | sc30317 | that have no DVD drives and the only way we can access them is through the network |
| 00:30.20 | sc30317 | and therefore we setup a PXE boot enviornment |
| 00:30.22 | nsadmin | why is unstable involved in any way? |
| 00:30.39 | sc30317 | nsadmin, that was just the dir that showed up after I installed and ran apt-mirror |
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| 00:31.07 | nsadmin | so you don't necessarily want unstable? |
| 00:31.17 | sc30317 | it doesn't really matter |
| 00:31.22 | sc30317 | just need something to work |
| 00:32.08 | nsadmin | OK, so you might try to find why apt-mirror has handed you unstable |
| 00:32.13 | sc30317 | okay |
| 00:32.39 | nsadmin | you might also want to read the Release file to see if you can sus out what the installer thought |
| 00:33.19 | nsadmin | you might also want to try the installer again and look at the error messages in ctrl-alt-Fsomething |
| 00:33.24 | sc30317 | nsadmin, unstable is just what the apt-mirror defaults to |
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| 00:33.37 | sc30317 | that is probably the issue |
| 00:33.42 | sc30317 | because the error message is |
| 00:33.46 | nsadmin | aha |
| 00:33.54 | sc30317 | WARNING **: broken mirror: invalid Suite or Codename in Release file for lenny |
| 00:34.23 | nsadmin | so if you'd be OK with lenny/stable, how can you get apt-mirror to give you that? |
| 00:34.56 | sc30317 | just change the /etc/apt/apt/mirror.list |
| 00:35.02 | sc30317 | to have stable instead of unstable |
| 00:35.05 | sc30317 | I think |
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| 00:35.57 | nsadmin | I'd say, give that a shot, but also read man apt-mirror (in either order) |
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| 00:36.07 | sc30317 | will do |
| 00:36.15 | sc30317 | just setup apt mirror to mirror stable |
| 00:36.21 | sc30317 | so once that is finished d/ling |
| 00:36.25 | sc30317 | then I will give it another go |
| 00:36.34 | sc30317 | 32.4GB :O |
| 00:36.47 | sc30317 | at least I am on a 200Mbps d/l link :D |
| 00:36.50 | nsadmin | probably the release file will be valid at that point |
| 00:36.58 | sc30317 | I would hope so |
| 00:38.08 | sc30317 | nsadmin, I see you on here a lot. What is your profession/ |
| 00:38.32 | nsadmin | so 32400 gb / 20 Mbytes/sec should give you seconds |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | sc30317: how many mirrors did you try? you should really use a proxy, not mirror the whole thing .. the mirror is a *huge* waste of donated bandwidth |
| 00:39.22 | sc30317 | no (32400 gb) / (200 Mbytes/sec) |
| 00:39.34 | sc30317 | abrotman, I could do that |
| 00:39.41 | sc30317 | but I just would rather have the whole mirror |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | moron |
| 00:39.56 | sc30317 | because the LAN does not have outside Internet access |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | i hope someone wastes your bandwidth |
| 00:40.11 | sc30317 | why are you calling me a moron? |
| 00:40.47 | nsadmin | I think he's angry you're creating a mirror for like two client machines |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | it's donated bandwidth .. you're wasting someone else's resources because you're lazy |
| 00:41.27 | nsadmin | while it may be free to you because it's donated, believe me... it costs someonw |
| 00:41.30 | sc30317 | I am also going to host the mirror for my university |
| 00:41.37 | sc30317 | so its not just for 2 computers |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | use a proxy |
| 00:42.15 | sc30317 | abrotman, i'm not sure how that works; care to divulge? |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | your clients don't need internet access ... it's the same solution, but far less wasteful for the people donating bandwidth to Debian |
| 00:43.03 | sc30317 | gotcha |
| 00:43.16 | sc30317 | is there documentation on how to setup a proxy like so on debian? |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | approx is pretty darn easy |
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| 00:44.23 | sc30317 | abrotman, you are talking about this package? |
| 00:44.24 | sc30317 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/approx |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | well, you don't need the sid one |
| 00:44.42 | sc30317 | well yea |
| 00:44.54 | sc30317 | that was just the first search return in google |
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| 00:57.57 | nsadmin | if he uses a proxy like that, can he create a mirror that automagically grows when an uncached package is requested to be installed? |
| 00:58.27 | abrotman | that's how it works |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | approx stores packages for a given number of days or til they are no longer upstream IIRC |
| 00:59.20 | nsadmin | he might prefer to store them permanently if it's from stable |
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| 01:01.25 | thewanderer1 | why would my getty need CAP_SYS_ADMIN? so does SSH... I'm getting pty allocation errors. |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | uhm .. you can specify the number of days or permanent .. but in reality, if it's the proxy for the whole Uni .. i'm sure whatever it is would be requested often enough anyway |
| 01:02.21 | sc30317 | abrotman, thats pretty cool |
| 01:02.30 | sc30317 | have you used approx before? |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:07.10 | thewanderer1 | I enter my username, but getty says: "Could not allocate space for config info" - it doesn't like me today... |
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| 01:23.49 | yagoo | thewanderer1, allocate space? maybe there's no disk space? |
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| 01:24.00 | thewanderer1 | no, only 25% taken |
| 01:24.12 | thewanderer1 | clearly when I give it CAP_SYS_ADMIN it works properly... |
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| 01:24.38 | yagoo | thewanderer1, did u custom compile your kernel? |
| 01:24.46 | thewanderer1 | yup, 2.6.36 |
| 01:24.49 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:25.05 | yagoo | thewanderer1, you probably forgot about something to deal with pty properly.. |
| 01:25.41 | thewanderer1 | strange, with admin capability it just works but I don't see how |
| 01:26.20 | yagoo | thewanderer1, when did u compile it? you can always the the kernel config and see what's the minimum recommendations for pty related |
| 01:27.04 | thewanderer1 | I compiled it yesterday and checked with lxc-checkconfig that all required subsystems all in place |
| 01:27.25 | thewanderer1 | I'm getting a feeling like exploring a minefield with this LXC stuff :P |
| 01:27.53 | yagoo | thewanderer1, well you know what the problem is.. so that narrows things down alot.. |
| 01:28.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah. I'm apparently the only person on earth who actually sees this error message :P |
| 01:28.24 | thewanderer1 | (according to Google) |
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| 01:29.26 | peterrooney | thewanderer1: it's always fun being the first |
| 01:30.08 | thewanderer1 | oh, this time it was the filesystem mounted readonly and I was trying to execute init on that |
| 01:30.21 | thewanderer1 | I can see getty again and... it's the same :P |
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| 01:37.38 | nsadmin | you checked google earth?! |
| 01:38.20 | yagoo | nsadmin, i think he's satisfied he was able to reproduce the problem with new variables in the equation-- once his drive mounted rw and again now just mounte r-only |
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| 01:39.34 | nsadmin | so when he gives the cap, it works, but what happens when / is rw? |
| 01:39.50 | nsadmin | and why is it ro in the first place? |
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| 01:51.43 | smacnay | Hi, would a computer clock losing time every day (20-40 minutes) be an issue with an internal battery or a glitch with ntpd updating the time properly? |
| 01:52.04 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: normally that means that you've got something wrong with adjtimex and the tick settings |
| 01:52.27 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: the output of adjtimex -p; will be informative |
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| 01:53.19 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks - that is a new command to me. |
| 01:53.57 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: no CAP_SYS_ADMIN => I see the error message. CAP_SYS_ADMIN: everyone but me is happy, login works, I can even use ssh... |
| 01:54.10 | thewanderer1 | and it was ro because some shutdown script remounted that as ro |
| 01:54.28 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: I'm assuming the machine is running; if it's off and it's losing time, then it could be the battery |
| 01:54.43 | dondelelcaro | (though normally you wouldn't care) |
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| 01:55.23 | smacnay | Well, it was off overnight but since it has been on with a manual reset using ntpdate, the machine lost 26 minutes in under 12 hours. |
| 01:55.55 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, give me a quick reminder of why you're not happy when everyone else is? |
| 01:56.03 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, I installed adjtimex and it gave me this on its first startup: Adjusting system time by 4076.81 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done |
| 01:56.28 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: because a container in which I'm running this is meant to *contain* applications and not let them do funny things to the host |
| 01:57.17 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, adjtimex -p gave me info I don't understand - I will man the app and see what all the gobbledy-gook means. |
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| 01:57.36 | nsadmin | hmm, I didn't pick up on that part... so the boundary of the container is allowing inner elements to influence outer? |
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| 01:59.26 | thewanderer1 | yes. in fact, when I shutdown the container (I assume that you know Debian's shutdown script sequence), I end up with a host filesystem mounted as ro |
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| 02:00.37 | nsadmin | vaguely. so that's the reason it's ro, and it absolutely shouldn't have done that, shouldn't have been allowed |
| 02:01.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, but the container is only operating on its root fs, so it's legitimate if I decided to give it CAP_SYS_ADMIN |
| 02:01.43 | thewanderer1 | and I gave it because getty wouldn't run otherwise... |
| 02:02.09 | thewanderer1 | so much fun, all in one night :P |
| 02:03.29 | nsadmin | expand on "give it CAP_SYS_ADMIN" |
| 02:03.41 | nsadmin | how do you go about that? |
| 02:03.58 | nsadmin | and the "it" is the getty inside the container? |
| 02:04.30 | thewanderer1 | it is actually the whole init process of the container |
| 02:05.03 | nsadmin | so you're actually giving CAP_SYS_ADMIN to the init process inside the container? |
| 02:05.24 | nsadmin | and when it spawns the gettys, they inherit? |
| 02:05.41 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 02:06.28 | nsadmin | and when you give this capability, what actually grants it? the kernel? |
| 02:06.30 | thewanderer1 | of course I could give CAP_SYS_ADMIN to getty only via file capabilities, but if an untrusted root replaces that with hacked binaries, I won't even notice... |
| 02:06.42 | thewanderer1 | a starter process grants it: lxc-start |
| 02:07.18 | thewanderer1 | then it starts init in separated namespaces (after pivot_root) |
| 02:08.04 | thewanderer1 | and getty and ssh seem to be able to allocate pts when they have CAP_SYS_ADMIN and not be able to do that otherwise... |
| 02:08.10 | nsadmin | ok, cool... normally, I would see this as a granting of permission... and see that more specifically as "grant to A the ability to do B to C" |
| 02:08.23 | nsadmin | can this even fit in any way here? |
| 02:08.44 | thewanderer1 | well, I *could* employ SELinux or other MAC, but it's fugly |
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| 02:11.35 | nsadmin | and let me zoom out for a sec (fyi, I'm just trying to understand all this out of curiousity... at the same time, I hope the results of being curious would help to make your situation very clear in the mind of myself or someone observing) |
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| 02:12.16 | nsadmin | the container sits in an operating system with a linux kernel and is itself another os with another linux kernel... yes? |
| 02:12.40 | nsadmin | (or is itself containing another) |
| 02:13.42 | thewanderer1 | it's a Linux process (standard init) but called by parent after unshare() (different namespace now) and placed in a cgroup with some restrictions, also after pivot_root (kind of chroot) |
| 02:13.56 | MACscr | i just bought a used server that came with debian etch on it. Cant seem to upgrade things because its getting a few 404's when i run apt-get update. Have some urls changed that dont work anymore? |
| 02:14.14 | thewanderer1 | so it really MACscr, read the channel topic ^.- |
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| 02:14.37 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 02:14.43 | ZenWalker | how to add comments to nanoblogger? |
| 02:14.47 | MACscr | thewanderer1: my bad. Was to long that it went out of the scroll area when i joined |
| 02:14.49 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 02:14.49 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 02:14.52 | nsadmin | which channel? |
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| 02:15.14 | nsadmin | wait, nm |
| 02:15.30 | grondilu | Hi, where could I go to ask something about "sc" ? |
| 02:15.50 | prgmrchris | MACscr: replace your mirror with archive.debian.org and upgrade to something more recent as soon as you can :) |
| 02:15.54 | nsadmin | , file sc |
| 02:16.00 | judd | sc in lenny/i386: pfb2t1c2pfb: usr/share/doc/pfb2t1c2pfb/readme.lic.asc; asc: usr/games/asc, usr/share/menu/asc; ecartis-cgi: etc/ecartis/templates/admin-userinfo.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/admin-usersetinfo.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/adminmenu.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/config.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/error.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/fileedit.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/flagedit.lsc, |
| 02:16.02 | judd | etc/ecartis/templates/footer.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/frontpage.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/generic.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/header.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/listmenu.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/logincookie.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/mainmenu.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/subscribe.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/textfile.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/unsubscribe.lsc, etc/ecartis/templates/userinfo.lsc, (1 more message) |
| 02:16.30 | nsadmin | , more |
| 02:16.31 | judd | etc/ecartis/templates/userlist-deny.lsc, etc |
| 02:17.06 | ZenWalker | fl00d |
| 02:17.48 | nsadmin | spreadsheet? |
| 02:18.10 | nsadmin | yeah, I didn't do that right |
| 02:19.18 | nsadmin | grondilu, spreadsheet? |
| 02:22.53 | nsadmin | timeout... must not be that important... |
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| 02:26.39 | thewanderer1 | ha |
| 02:26.51 | thewanderer1 | so I'm actually seeing error messages on container's boot |
| 02:27.22 | thewanderer1 | "Filesystem type 'devpts' is not supported. Skipping mount." definitely sounds like it |
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| 02:27.54 | grondilu | nsadmin: yes, the gnu spread sheet in console mode. Too late anyway, I've just written a mail to the maintener. |
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| 02:35.32 | nsadmin | thewanderer1: so the container needs CAP_SYS_ADMIN because it's trying to access the external /dev/pts |
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| 02:38.58 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: quite possibly. either external, or pulling it from a newly-instantiated devpts filesystem... |
| 02:39.44 | nsadmin | and somehow that causes the ro on the outer / fs |
| 02:41.07 | nsadmin | I would guess that getting the module for devpts working inside the container would be a good shot to take |
| 02:41.25 | thewanderer1 | I don't even have modules :P |
| 02:41.36 | nsadmin | then you'd have to compile it in? |
| 02:41.52 | thewanderer1 | right... but it's in |
| 02:42.04 | thewanderer1 | lxc seems to still have some rough edges |
| 02:42.17 | nsadmin | it was in before? |
| 02:42.37 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 02:42.55 | thewanderer1 | I think I have enough for now... |
| 02:42.58 | nsadmin | some modules have to be modules (one case, iptables matchers |
| 02:43.00 | nsadmin | ( |
| 02:43.03 | nsadmin | )) |
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| 02:43.49 | thewanderer1 | nah, all my matchers are compiled in |
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| 02:46.03 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the insight, I need to look into my bed now |
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| 02:56.11 | ksk | screen -X stuff $(printf "hallo welt\r") - how to print whitspaces? |
| 02:56.25 | ksk | im afraid it becomes just "hallowelt" |
| 02:58.00 | nsadmin | whats the purpose of \r |
| 02:58.36 | ksk | carriage return? |
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| 02:58.53 | nsadmin | try \n |
| 03:01.14 | jordanm | ksk: "newline" is the keyword you were looking for |
| 03:02.32 | ksk | screen -X stuff $(printf "hello world\n") |
| 03:02.36 | ksk | like this? |
| 03:04.12 | qq- | test in terminal > printf "hallo welt\n" |
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| 03:16.24 | icesword | hi |
| 03:17.56 | icesword | is android by some point based on debian? |
| 03:19.26 | icesword | sudo get-install android |
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| 03:30.15 | flaccid | debian mirror seems foo'd again |
| 03:32.34 | NginUS | I just created a /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules because there wasn't one, then I found all the files I expected but they'e in /lib/udev/rules.d/###-foo.rules! Did I miss release notes from an update? What happened that they're there now? (Squeeze) |
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| 03:35.36 | flaccid | ok, they must of been updating squeeze or something, seems to be going through now |
| 03:37.01 | NginUS | flaccid: if you add a line for a mirror from a neighboring country those little outages won't happen anymore |
| 03:37.27 | flaccid | NginUS: i'm using debootstrap, not sure if i can do that |
| 03:37.35 | dondelelcaro | NginUS: those aren't the generated rules, that's the generator. |
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| 03:38.25 | NginUS | dondelelcaro : I seem to remember renaming the generator to foo.disabled in the /etc/... path before, might've been lenny- dunno |
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| 03:40.24 | NginUS | i might have to go back & check a couple generators in the lib path & make sure they're disabled too... i hope i didnt screw anything up by missing that |
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| 03:42.11 | NginUS | Does anyone know how to whitelist MACs for the generator? |
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| 03:45.54 | NginUS | Aah, it's a squeeze thing- lenny's generator's in etc/udev/rules.d & squeeze's is in /lib/udev/rules.d |
| 03:47.49 | jordanm | the /lib dir is not intended to be edited and your changes may be discarded without warning |
| 03:48.57 | jordanm | if they really dropped the ability to configure it, please file a bug for a lack of Debian.NEWS. although, I suspect that rule.d still works, it just doesn't automatically generate the location anymore |
| 03:49.16 | manu_hack | hi, i want to transfer a 15G of tar zipped file but the md5sum to compute takes very long |
| 03:49.23 | manu_hack | any better solution to that? |
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| 04:07.33 | NginUS | jordanm : the ones I did previously in the /etc... were indeed doing their job, if i remember correctly- otherwise I wouldn't have been able to move on the day i was working on that, so |
| 04:08.20 | NginUS | manu_hack : how are you transferring that there _has_ to be a md5sum check- do you want to be without integrity checking? |
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| 06:04.43 | NginUS | I found a bug in Squeeze that seems to only be reported against package "linux" in Ubuntu. I don't see it in nfs-kernel-server in either distro. It makes fsck run on a 1TB drive, so I don't even want to see if it reproduces. Been waiting an hour now to do the bug report. |
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| 06:06.18 | NginUS | While deleting >350GB over nfs, 2.6.32-5 gets hung task, but ssh remains responsive. |
| 06:07.09 | NginUS | ...so it's not freezing, just not deleting- maybe I didn't wait long enough before rebooting- 10 minutes is a long time, but 350GB is big, too. |
| 06:08.01 | NginUS | How long should 350Gb take to delete on ext3 without dir_index turned on |
| 06:08.08 | sauvin | I once spent THREE HOURS deleting a few gigs of files. |
| 06:08.12 | NginUS | omg |
| 06:08.23 | sauvin | It depends on the number of files and on fs. |
| 06:08.42 | NginUS | oh, ext4- forgot |
| 06:09.07 | NginUS | just a .tar vzdump |
| 06:09.10 | NginUS | 1 |
| 06:09.27 | sauvin | You're deleting a single file and it's taking that long? |
| 06:09.41 | NginUS | yeah- I waited 10 whole minutes |
| 06:10.04 | NginUS | syslog said hung task bla bla numbers numbers |
| 06:10.17 | NginUS | but ssh wasnt dead- |
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| 06:10.38 | NginUS | iotop said nothing's being read or written, but i/o was at 99% |
| 06:10.57 | NginUS | 89-99% for 10 minutes |
| 06:11.17 | b0tm1nd | Why my clock in KDE never switches to winter/summer time automatically? |
| 06:12.13 | b0tm1nd | It supposed to happen today at 3AM but it's 8AM already and the time is still old.. |
| 06:12.24 | NginUS | b0tm1nd : I dunno why, but I would imagine ntp could keep the clock right without worrying about winter/summer |
| 06:12.53 | NginUS | clock.nyc.he.net is a stratum1 timeserver- most are stratum2 |
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| 06:13.49 | NginUS | b0tm1nd : Good that the computer wasn't supposed to wake you for work. |
| 06:14.24 | b0tm1nd | NginUS: well sun woke me up, but it's the only clcok I've got now |
| 06:14.32 | NginUS | oops |
| 06:14.53 | NginUS | ntp is your friend then it would seem.... is it running? |
| 06:15.38 | b0tm1nd | ps aux |grep ntp gives nothing |
| 06:16.13 | NginUS | aptitude update && aptitude install ntp |
| 06:16.48 | NginUS | nano /etc/ntp.conf if you want to change the timeserver- but defaults work just as well |
| 06:17.40 | b0tm1nd | http://wiki.debian.org/NTP suggests to install ntp-simple, what's the difference? |
| 06:17.46 | NginUS | dunno |
| 06:18.02 | NginUS | ntp _is_ simple |
| 06:18.43 | b0tm1nd | they suggest to install ntp-simple and ntpdate |
| 06:18.56 | NginUS | I set apt to not install recommends or suggests by default tho- there might be extra stuff it installs otherwise- do apt-cache show ntp & see |
| 06:19.47 | b0tm1nd | no no, that's just written at wiki.debian.org/NTP |
| 06:19.51 | NginUS | yeah- extra stuff- maybe good for a desktop. my date's never been off, but it's just a server |
| 06:20.02 | b0tm1nd | instructions to install |
| 06:20.05 | NginUS | o |
| 06:20.14 | NginUS | clicks link |
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| 06:25.05 | b0tm1nd | hm that seems to be outdated as No candidate version found for ntp-simple |
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| 06:29.17 | NginUS | yeah theres something on google about it being removed- package ntp solves the problem too- theres all kinds of features it does too but i never bother to configure them- like who has access to the time server it provides, etc... |
| 06:30.26 | NginUS | "If the full NTP daemon from the package "ntp" is installed, then ntpdate is not necessary. " |
| 06:30.39 | NginUS | guess ive been using a full daemon- |
| 06:30.51 | NginUS | never seen an empty one |
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| 06:33.36 | NginUS | omg another 1tb is fsck'ing.... |
| 06:35.01 | b0tm1nd | ok, thx I will remove ntpdate then |
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| 06:44.52 | b0tm1nd | anyways seems like it has really been changed automatically without ntp and the time is showing now is totally correct |
| 06:48.15 | NginUS | just late |
| 06:49.10 | NginUS | always been a fan of that sunshiine in the morning |
| 06:49.29 | b0tm1nd | yeah |
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| 06:54.40 | yus_enjeen | hmm ,internet just went out- wonder if it was dns or what |
| 06:54.40 | yus_enjeen | no irc would've stayed on if it was just dns.... |
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| 06:56.31 | yus_enjeen | nfs server took out the internet>? |
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| 06:57.02 | yus_enjeen | check that out- opendns fail |
| 06:57.22 | yus_enjeen | glad googles easy to remember- 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:57.24 | yus_enjeen | :) |
| 06:58.19 | streuner | !ops Do we need still +r? |
| 06:58.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: Do we need still +r |
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| 07:02.15 | yus_enjeen | hmm, nope- its not that.. odd |
| 07:04.28 | streuner | Is in US vacation? |
| 07:04.43 | streuner | s/vacation/holiday/ |
| 07:07.01 | streuner | nm, got it (nope) |
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| 08:45.38 | vliam | installing debian have a choice to allow logon as root, but if i choose to not allow, then i will need to use sudo command. So, I wondering is there anything bad if i do so ? |
| 08:46.06 | vliam | In other words, what is the disadvantage if my selection is not allowing root logon during the installation ? |
| 08:47.06 | vliam | is it a bad idea for selection not allow root logon? |
| 08:47.44 | SwedeMike | it depends, some people prefer to not have sudo installed, some like to do everything via sudo. it's more of a subjective decision |
| 08:48.25 | nathan__ | Hi. My boot time is currently quite long due to my MTA (exim4) i think. So i would try to reconfigure it by "dpkg-recofigure exim4-config". However this command return : http://pastebin.com/WbGXgLcv. I tried to type hostname --fqdn in a shell and it return my fully qualified name : debian-nathan. I really don't understand this error... |
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| 08:54.40 | ethanol | how could I get a cronjob to run between 10pm and 8am? I tried doing 22-8 for hours, but that did not work. can I do something like 0-8,22-23 ? |
| 08:55.34 | nathan__ | ethanol, what you want to run? |
| 08:55.42 | ethanol | a script |
| 08:56.02 | ethanol | well not even that, it's just a simple wget execution |
| 08:56.32 | nathan__ | ethanol, maybe you can write a deamon and just start it and stop it when you want to |
| 08:57.23 | nathan__ | you want to run your script between 10pm and 8am thats it? |
| 08:57.28 | ethanol | yes |
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| 08:57.46 | ethanol | 0 0-8,22-23 * * * /usr/bin/wget -q --no-cache --no-http-keep-alive -O /dev/null -w 30 -T 120 url |
| 08:57.49 | ethanol | trying it like this now |
| 08:57.53 | ethanol | will see tomorrow if it worked |
| 08:58.13 | nathan__ | so : a cronjob with /etc/init.d/your_script_d start and another one with /etc/init.d/your_script.d stop |
| 08:58.33 | nathan__ | i m not sure but i think it can work |
| 08:58.34 | nathan__ | :) |
| 08:58.39 | ethanol | sorry but that is overkill for such a simple task |
| 08:58.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | ethanol: do you want to run it ever hour between, or randomly at some point? |
| 08:58.55 | ethanol | Kamping_Kaiser: every hour, 10pm till 8am |
| 08:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah ok |
| 08:59.40 | nathan__ | ok... |
| 08:59.44 | nathan__ | each hour, not the same |
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| 09:00.18 | nathan__ | ethanol, maybe you can write a cronjob for each hour :p |
| 09:00.29 | nathan__ | or write a loop to do it for you |
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| 09:01.32 | poisonbit | if [[ $(date +%H) > 22 -o $(date +%H) < 08 ]]; then... |
| 09:02.02 | b0tm1nd | where all these Debian names come from...? Like Etch, Lenny, Squeeze? |
| 09:02.09 | poisonbit | toy story |
| 09:02.20 | b0tm1nd | poisonbit: no joke? |
| 09:02.41 | valdyn | !toy story |
| 09:02.42 | dpkg | The release names for Debian are characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie. buzz 1.1, rex 1.2, bo 1.3, hamm 2.0, slink 2.1, potato 2.2, woody 3.0, sarge 3.1, etch 4.0, lenny 5.0, squeeze 6.0. Ask me about <release history> or see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. <sid> used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's <unstable>. |
| 09:02.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn: beat me to it :p |
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| 09:03.51 | b0tm1nd | poisonbit: yes, I see all them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 09:04.20 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 09:04.59 | ziftex^ | Hello there. |
| 09:05.04 | nathan__ | poisonbit, there is no way to get the same behavior with cronjob? |
| 09:05.12 | nathan__ | because i think it was his question |
| 09:05.58 | ziftex^ | Have a Lenny server running with LAMP, hosting joomla sites. But when the server has been up for more then 12 houres, it becomes extremely slow. reboot solves the problem. |
| 09:06.03 | poisonbit | nathan__, crontab allos ranges etc |
| 09:06.06 | poisonbit | allow |
| 09:06.07 | valdyn | ethanol: man crontab ? |
| 09:06.20 | valdyn | and you can use but you don't need ranges |
| 09:06.40 | nathan__ | hum... ok |
| 09:07.11 | nathan__ | so maybe can help about that : My boot time is currently quite long due to my MTA (exim4) i think. So i would try to reconfigure it by "dpkg-recofigure exim4-config". However this command return : http://pastebin.com/WbGXgLcv. I tried to type hostname --fqdn in a shell and it return my fully qualified name : debian-nathan. I really don't understand this error... |
| 09:07.49 | valdyn | nathan__: fix your /etc/hosts setup as written there |
| 09:08.22 | valdyn | nathan__: and run hostname -fqdn to test your changes, as also written there |
| 09:08.34 | ziftex^ | Any hints on how to trubleshoot that issue? |
| 09:08.44 | nathan__ | valdyn, yeah but what "fix" mean? It s fixed! 127.0.0.1 debian-nathan |
| 09:08.59 | valdyn | nathan__: domain is missing |
| 09:10.13 | valdyn | nathan__: 127.0.0.1 should be only your localhost |
| 09:10.42 | nathan__ | valdyn, ok but i don't know what my domain is |
| 09:10.54 | valdyn | nathan__: what does "hostname --fqdn" give? |
| 09:11.14 | nathan__ | valdyn, debian-nathan, as it written in my hosts file |
| 09:11.24 | valdyn | nathan__: invent a domain name |
| 09:11.33 | valdyn | nathan__: exim needs one obviously |
| 09:11.55 | valdyn | nathan__: 192.168.1.1 server.home server |
| 09:12.10 | valdyn | nathan__: easy, all invented, does not need to be globally recognised |
| 09:13.22 | nathan__ | valdyn, debian-nathan.home? |
| 09:13.27 | nathan__ | (for example) |
| 09:13.30 | valdyn | nathan__: if you want |
| 09:14.15 | valdyn | nathan__: doesnt really make much sense to bind this to your loop network, but it does not need to make sense for exim to accept it, just hostname --fqdn needs to work |
| 09:14.20 | nathan__ | valdyn, but if i set exim4 on "local only" i have to invent a domain name for my localhost address |
| 09:14.26 | nathan__ | 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:14.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xanbreon: after 12 hours is there lots of cpu load? memory used? disk io? |
| 09:14.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xanbreon: sorry, mistab |
| 09:14.34 | valdyn | nathan__: yea |
| 09:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ziftex^: see my last comment |
| 09:14.43 | valdyn | nathan__: localhost.localdomain is a default somewhere |
| 09:14.51 | valdyn | nathan__: but whatever suits your eyes |
| 09:14.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ziftex^: you need to know that sort of stuff before people can give you proper help |
| 09:15.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn: except '.local', cos of mdns :( |
| 09:15.35 | nathan__ | valdyn, so the line ll be : 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain |
| 09:15.40 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: yea well, i doubt that would even break anything he uses |
| 09:15.47 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: but sure youre right |
| 09:15.59 | valdyn | nathan__: tias |
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| 09:16.51 | ziftex^ | Kamping_Kaiser, none of that, its all reported fine (The server is a virtual machine on ESX so have exact stats for the vm) |
| 09:18.00 | nathan__ | so maybe i ve made a mistake so i ll give you my hosts file : http://pastebin.com/iKBSjeZr. |
| 09:18.34 | valdyn | nathan__: run hostname --fqdn, and see if its ok.. |
| 09:18.52 | ziftex^ | cpu is never above 25%, disk IOPS is max 500 - while the server can pull +5k. Memory usage do grow a little, But not near whats allocated for the VM. |
| 09:19.20 | nathan__ | valdyn, i did it and it return always the same : debian-nathan. However, i get the same error when i try to reconfigure exim4 |
| 09:19.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | ziftex^: have yo uleft it longer then 12 hours? perhaps your vms host is overloaded |
| 09:19.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | ziftex^: do you know what processes are running and using resources? |
| 09:20.01 | valdyn | nathan__: you see that /etc/hostname contains debian-nathan |
| 09:20.16 | ziftex^ | Its not overloaded in anyway ways - its still slow when i'm the only user browsing sites. |
| 09:20.18 | valdyn | nathan__: now hostname --fqdn cannot find the domain for that because you added one only for the localhost |
| 09:20.39 | ziftex^ | I can't see any process that takes up resources. |
| 09:21.00 | nathan__ | valdyn, ha n i ve to added one for each interface i ve? :/ |
| 09:21.22 | ziftex^ | sure apache2 and mysql takes some, but them don't see to high |
| 09:21.24 | valdyn | nathan__: thats not hwo it works, add a domain to debian-nathan or change your hostname to localhost |
| 09:22.34 | ziftex^ | and ESX host is not near overloaded. its stays below 70% for everything, even in peak houres. |
| 09:22.49 | valdyn | ziftex^: 70% what? |
| 09:22.58 | ziftex^ | cpu/mem/disk |
| 09:23.15 | ziftex^ | lower then 70% of its capacity. |
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| 09:24.05 | ziftex^ | And this Lenny box has its own LUN, Not figthing with others. |
| 09:24.17 | nathan__ | valdyn, i ve added a domain for debian-nathan in /etc/hosts and even in /etc/hostname but i did not change anything |
| 09:24.29 | nathan__ | it* |
| 09:24.36 | valdyn | nathan__: how the files, run hostname --fqdn |
| 09:24.40 | valdyn | nathan__: show the files, run hostname --fqdn |
| 09:24.45 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 09:24.53 | valdyn | dpkg: test |
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| 09:25.03 | nathan__ | !hostname |
| 09:25.24 | valdyn | bot is offline, nevermind |
| 09:25.41 | nathan__ | the hostname file onyl contain : debian-nathan debian-nathan.home |
| 09:25.52 | simonrvn | er |
| 09:26.25 | nathan__ | and my /etc/hosts file : http://pastebin.com/efrrzQCm |
| 09:26.35 | nathan__ | hostname always return the same |
| 09:27.11 | valdyn | nathan__: 192.168.1.1 server.home server ( maybe order matters, I don't really know ) |
| 09:28.39 | nathan__ | valdyn, i don't have 192.168.1.0/255 network but my 192.168.0.1 is the address of my box... |
| 09:28.55 | valdyn | nathan__: doesnt matter, you got 127.0.0.1, thats fine |
| 09:29.21 | valdyn | nathan__: the IP does not matter right now |
| 09:29.24 | poisonbit | man hosts says: IP_address canonical_hostname [aliases...] |
| 09:29.37 | valdyn | poisonbit: yea, indeed |
| 09:30.01 | valdyn | nathan__: so fix your names: debian-nathan.home first |
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| 09:31.46 | nathan__ | valdyn, i don't understand. What canonical mean? what i have to fix? |
| 09:32.25 | valdyn | nathan__: "127.0.1.1 debian-nathan debian-nathan.home" is wrong "127.0.1.1 debian-nathan.home debian-nathan" is correct |
| 09:32.27 | Bushmills | man hosts shows an example |
| 09:33.03 | nathan__ | Bushmills, yeah i see the example and the man page and it s the same way i do in my hosts file |
| 09:33.16 | valdyn | nathan__: no it is not |
| 09:33.17 | Bushmills | no, it isn't |
| 09:33.19 | nathan__ | valdyn, ok |
| 09:34.09 | Bushmills | from ordering in the man page, you might be able to derive what "canonical" means |
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| 09:35.10 | poisonbit | and in this context, canonical name, does not mean yourhost.ubuntu.com :D |
| 09:36.23 | valdyn | !tell val^away -about away |
| 09:36.42 | valdyn | oh no, the bot isnt here |
| 09:36.51 | valdyn | , away |
| 09:36.58 | valdyn | judd: away |
| 09:37.21 | petern_ | oh, multiple desktops with xrandr doesn't take account of dead-space :( |
| 09:37.36 | nathan__ | ok, thanks, it work. I ll try to read the hosts man page and hostname to understand how it work. |
| 09:37.44 | valdyn | petern_: what is "dead-space" supposed to be? |
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| 09:38.30 | petern_ | valdyn, space on the virtual desktop which isn't displayed on a monitor |
| 09:38.53 | valdyn | petern_: true, thats not how it works |
| 09:39.04 | valdyn | petern_: so shrink your virtual desktop size |
| 09:39.16 | petern_ | valdyn, my desktop is an L shape, i guess |
| 09:39.25 | petern_ | one screen is 768 pixels high, the other is 1050 pixels |
| 09:39.36 | valdyn | petern_: so? |
| 09:39.44 | valdyn | petern_: and you are using xinerama? |
| 09:39.47 | petern_ | so there are 282 pixels below the 768 pixel high monitor that aren't visible (not a problem) |
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| 09:40.00 | petern_ | no, i'm using xrandr, which i gather is meant to be the way to do it these days |
| 09:40.31 | valdyn | petern_: xrandr is a tool to modify settings, xinerama is an extension enabling multi monitor setups |
| 09:40.49 | petern_ | ahhh |
| 09:40.53 | valdyn | petern_: those 2 tools do different things, they can be complementary, they cant replace each other |
| 09:40.56 | simonrvn | xrandr can handle that, but is still feature lacking (last i heard) |
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| 09:40.58 | petern_ | you're out of date? :) |
| 09:41.21 | valdyn | petern_: maybe |
| 09:41.23 | nsadmin | , file bin/asciidoc |
| 09:41.27 | judd | bin/asciidoc in lenny/i386: asciidoc: usr/bin/asciidoc |
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| 09:41.40 | petern_ | xinerama is deprecated in favour of randr |
| 09:41.47 | valdyn | petern_: I see |
| 09:42.09 | petern_ | anyway, the dead-space is fine, but i just wish that x would stop the mouse-pointer from entering that space |
| 09:42.15 | petern_ | and pop-up windows can also go in there :( |
| 09:42.23 | simonrvn | ugh, nasty |
| 09:42.42 | simonrvn | maybe shrink the 1050? |
| 09:42.43 | petern_ | the window manager usually prevents that, but things like option lists on web pages tend to drop into it |
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| 09:50.48 | jetole | Hey guys. Does anyone know how I can "preseed" a single package on a already installed system? |
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| 09:51.46 | TyT | is Debian is the faster system ???????????????? |
| 09:51.50 | poisonbit | jetole, using debconf-set-selections |
| 09:51.52 | poisonbit | ? |
| 09:52.00 | petern_ | TyT, bananas |
| 09:52.02 | tarzeau | TyT: by no way |
| 09:52.06 | jackweb | I have a problem: I tried to install kvm and aptitude stopped on unpacking libaio1. I killed aptitude and when I want to do something with aptitude, it says that there is no a file with libaio1 and the package is "sick" (;)). How to solve this problem? |
| 09:52.30 | jetole | poisonbit: thanks. I was actually just about say I finally just discovered that in google |
| 09:52.31 | TyT | Debian DEAD |
| 09:52.33 | petern_ | aptitude reinstall? |
| 09:52.40 | jelly-hme | !confuse TyT |
| 09:53.03 | simonrvn | !ep |
| 09:53.07 | jelly-hme | /o\ |
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| 09:53.35 | poisonbit | TyT, faster in what sense? optimized compilation flags etc ? or happy admins having beer on the pub and the job done ? |
| 09:54.00 | jelly-hme | poisonbit: I like your latter definition. |
| 09:54.10 | TyT | ok thank u poisonbit |
| 09:54.48 | jackweb | petern_: aptitude says something like: "unable to find a file for package libaio1. It may mean that you have to manually 'repair' your package" |
| 09:55.22 | jackweb | how to do it? |
| 09:55.40 | jackweb | and why aptitude stopped on libaio1? |
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| 10:03.44 | x0n0x0 | hey everyone, i'm trying to install some software via apt-get, but i get a message that there are a lot of 'unused packages' that shall be removed, but these packages are quite necessary for me and these are several ones so that i can't just uninstall and reinstall them - the real problem, however is that this strange behaviour seems to occure because i have just installed a 'lib...' package which seems to have replaced a former 'lib...' package |
| 10:04.15 | x0n0x0 | (not a specific debian problem, i know, but i assume that there are plenty of experts here) |
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| 10:06.25 | poisonbit | x0n0x0, can you put the output of "apt-get -f install" in pastebin ? |
| 10:06.53 | poisonbit | maybe you can try uninstalling that lib... and updating your system, or maybe you can restore a backup :) |
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| 10:08.25 | jackweb | ok, solved |
| 10:08.59 | poisonbit | x0n0x0, i've to part to take a walk with my dog... but as you said... there are experts in this chanel... help them to help you with details |
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| 10:09.44 | x0n0x0 | poisonbit: output of apt-get -f install is useless '0 updated, 0 removed...' |
| 10:10.35 | x0n0x0 | btw, i don't really want to restore the old lib as all these applications still seem to work with the new one...and i really need that new lib (afaik) |
| 10:11.57 | x0n0x0 | but somewhere there must be a config file which contains the packages that shall be removed and maybe i can remove these packages from that file so that apt-get won't try to uninstall them...? |
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| 10:12.57 | jargon- | which is superior? a 235W PSU or a 300W? |
| 10:14.31 | valdyn | x0n0x0: see the unmarkauto option |
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| 10:14.55 | valdyn | jargon-: for what? |
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| 10:21.05 | nsadmin | , file docbook2x-texi |
| 10:21.07 | judd | docbook2x-texi in lenny/i386: docbook2x: usr/bin/docbook2x-texi |
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| 10:21.56 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: won't work, if i chose one of these programs and do 'sudo aptitute unmarkauto <some program>', it is still in the list of all the packages that shall be removed...:( |
| 10:22.19 | valdyn | x0n0x0: aptitude or apt-get? are you using both? |
| 10:22.33 | valdyn | x0n0x0: stop mixing both tools |
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| 10:22.57 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: they share the same database, don't they? - apt-get does not offer a 'unmark' feature... |
| 10:23.06 | zaarg | how do i stop my resolv.conf using the dns servers supplied by my dhcp server? |
| 10:23.19 | valdyn | x0n0x0: that doesnt mean that they use the same database |
| 10:23.21 | zaarg | i.e. everytime i get a new lease it is updated at the moment |
| 10:24.15 | valdyn | zaarg: man dhclient.conf |
| 10:24.20 | Bushmills | zaarg: configure your dhcp client to not request name servers |
| 10:24.46 | nsadmin | and/or look into package resolvconf |
| 10:24.50 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: still no unmark feature for apt-get and i don't dare to uninstall all of these packages and manually reinstall them (as tells me that 580MB disk space will be freed after removing the packages!) |
| 10:25.19 | zaarg | valdyn: ah thanks |
| 10:25.37 | x0n0x0 | maybe there is a history of all the packages that have been installed with apt-get in the last period of time? what's the command/log file for that? |
| 10:26.16 | valdyn | x0n0x0: apt-get install <packagename> should unmark auto too |
| 10:27.15 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: nope, it's still in the remove list |
| 10:27.25 | valdyn | x0n0x0: but not in the autoremove list |
| 10:27.29 | x0n0x0 | even update and upgrade don't change anything |
| 10:27.43 | valdyn | x0n0x0: its being removed because of dependencies |
| 10:27.59 | valdyn | x0n0x0: show us the output of your apt-get commands |
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| 10:30.08 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: yes, as far as i have found out, it is some package 'lib...' and something with '64' or '98' ... that i have installed and which seems to have replaced another older/younger lib which is shared by all of these programs (mainly 'gnome-...' software and applications using gtk...) - maybe there is a possibility to watch which packages have been installed in the last days? |
| 10:30.08 | _dreamy | hi, does anyone knows whats the best virtualization software to work with USB´s? |
| 10:30.25 | x0n0x0 | (as i can't remember the name of the one particular lib package) |
| 10:30.27 | valdyn | x0n0x0: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:30.41 | _dreamy | my goal is to record well with a Condeser Usb mic, in a guest xp |
| 10:30.59 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: empty, and so is /var/log/aptitude |
| 10:31.23 | valdyn | x0n0x0: logs are rotated, the older logs are there, dpkg.log.0 etc |
| 10:33.11 | x0n0x0 | valdyn: oh, i see, wow, the package name seems to be stored in dpkg.log.1 though i've used apt-get to install it... |
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| 10:33.42 | bint | when do you think will squeeze stable be released? |
| 10:33.58 | valdyn | x0n0x0: everything installing or removing debian packages uses dpkg |
| 10:34.08 | valdyn | bint: when do you think? |
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| 10:38.20 | x0n0x0 | do you know any particular info about the relation between libc6 and gnome aps? |
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| 10:42.27 | Bushmills | thinks squeeze will become stable before 2015 |
| 10:43.00 | valdyn | x0n0x0: why dont you do this straightforward and show us the command you are running, the output you get and the expected output |
| 10:43.28 | valdyn | x0n0x0: instead of asking questions like this that cannnot be answered properly without writing a book or studying a semester |
| 10:44.44 | Bushmills | well, question was "do you know any particular info" - a very short answer is possible, after al he's not asking to disclose all that info |
| 10:45.03 | Bushmills | seem to me a typical yes or no question |
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| 10:46.21 | valdyn | Bushmills: sure, but Im trying to be helpful, not trying to give answers that are of no use to him |
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| 10:46.59 | x0n0x0 | [valdyn: :) as Bushmills says, in general there are only two answers for these questions "yes"/"no" - so you can answer that question without studying a semester] |
| 10:47.19 | valdyn | x0n0x0: that answer would be useless, as I said |
| 10:47.26 | x0n0x0 | it's a mixture of output, some piece of log file, some time of googling, etc. |
| 10:47.42 | Bushmills | thinks "yes" or "no" would be helpful, by showing that the question may require some rethinking |
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| 10:48.01 | valdyn | Bushmills: probably |
| 10:50.26 | valdyn | from all this digging in the dark i will blindly guess that we have a stable + testing/unstable mix mess here |
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| 10:52.47 | x0n0x0 | i just don't want to loose 600MB of software, u |
| 10:52.57 | x0n0x0 | but atm that seems to be the only solution |
| 10:55.47 | bint | [11:34] <valdyn> bint: when do you think? |
| 10:55.53 | bint | i think in januar 2011 |
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| 10:56.56 | valdyn | bint: continue the green line to your liking at: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 11:02.11 | helmut | hi. is having multiple iface stanzas for the same interface supported in debian lenny? (inet static and inet6 static) |
| 11:02.32 | helmut | the interfaces manual page is not very precise on this |
| 11:03.09 | valdyn | helmut: cant have multiple ipv4 adresses on one interface, but you can have multiple ipv6 adresses |
| 11:03.30 | helmut | valdyn: that is completely unrelated |
| 11:03.55 | valdyn | helmut: nope |
| 11:04.18 | valdyn | helmut: that eliminates half of your question making sense |
| 11:04.49 | valdyn | helmut: you can have multiple iface stancas |
| 11:04.59 | helmut | which half? |
| 11:05.00 | valdyn | helmut: for where it makes sense i guess, but it works |
| 11:05.28 | helmut | well I only want one ipv4 and one ipv6 address on the same interface |
| 11:05.51 | helmut | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 gives some hints on how to do this, but is not precise either. |
| 11:05.57 | valdyn | helmut: only one "iface inet" stanca should work, but "iface inet" and "iface inet6" can be combined |
| 11:06.23 | helmut | ok. thanks |
| 11:06.33 | valdyn | helmut: now what remains is "iface inet6", i have no idea if you can have 2 of those |
| 11:06.33 | dancek | x0n0x0, in the aptitude curses interface you can set which packages you want and which are just to fulfill dependencies by pressing m/M |
| 11:06.49 | helmut | valdyn: fortunately I don't care about that. thanks. :-) |
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| 11:09.42 | sotmg | anyone knows how to make pc-to-phone calls on ekiga? #ekiga is idle and no once is answering my questions there. |
| 11:09.57 | sotmg | i checked http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Calling#Using_Ekiga_to_do_PC-to-phone_calls but i cant find the Tools menu. |
| 11:10.05 | valdyn | sotmg: you need a sip to phone gateway |
| 11:10.48 | sotmg | i made the account and paid 15usd to diamond something...the one preffered by ekiga.. |
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| 11:12.28 | e7th04sh | Hi, i was having graphial glitches: vertical lines on screenshots, weird pixels in the bottom of application window after changing screen resolution during their run0-time, which would rearrange themselves in groups of horizontal lines if i moved the pointer on exactly the lines height. |
| 11:12.29 | sotmg | brb.. |
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| 11:12.55 | e7th04sh | Non-solid vertical lines in gnome-panel which is supposed to be white opacity 50% over black |
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| 11:13.32 | e7th04sh | and the longer i work, the more vertical lines on entire desktop and some applications windows + corrupted fonts (letter bitmaps randomly gainign and losing pixels) |
| 11:13.36 | e7th04sh | the card is radeon 9200 |
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| 11:13.59 | e7th04sh | and i was wondering wether those problems could be solved by going back to older drivers version |
| 11:14.02 | valdyn | e7th04sh: overheating |
| 11:14.16 | valdyn | e7th04sh: or entirely broken gfx ram |
| 11:14.26 | reber | hi all. I have a parallel to/from usb convertir with this kind of problems : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797789&page=2 . Tried things mentionned, nothig better, Any ideas ? |
| 11:14.27 | e7th04sh | valdyn this is very old card and some of the problem occur in the very beginning, so overheating doesn't seem likely |
| 11:14.30 | valdyn | e7th04sh: or gpu |
| 11:14.45 | e7th04sh | valdyn stupid question whats the difference with gfx and gpu? |
| 11:15.06 | valdyn | e7th04sh: one means graphics, one means graphical processing unit |
| 11:15.13 | valdyn | e7th04sh: graphics ram |
| 11:15.48 | e7th04sh | ok, so gpu is the processor on graphic card and gfx ram is the memory therein? |
| 11:16.10 | valdyn | e7th04sh: its not therein, but its attached to it |
| 11:16.18 | e7th04sh | and either of them seems to be broken right? do you think it's worthwhile to try checking older drivers? |
| 11:16.33 | valdyn | e7th04sh: probably |
| 11:17.01 | e7th04sh | well, it won;t hurt certainly... duh i wonder if i should even buy new gfx to this pc |
| 11:17.11 | e7th04sh | it's older than my younger sister |
| 11:18.44 | valdyn | e7th04sh: can you show us a photo of this? |
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| 11:19.07 | valdyn | e7th04sh: does a screenshot show the artifacts? |
| 11:19.54 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 11:20.06 | valdyn | e7th04sh: if a screenshot has the same artifacts then its probably not an issue with your gfx hardware |
| 11:20.06 | e7th04sh | wait a second and i'll show |
| 11:20.20 | e7th04sh | nah, screenshots often have more artifacts |
| 11:20.38 | e7th04sh | vertical cyan lines over white background, when such lines did not appear on the screen |
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| 11:22.12 | e7th04sh | http://img178.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2ua.png/ |
| 11:22.21 | e7th04sh | the cyan lines omn screenshot are not on the screen |
| 11:22.43 | e7th04sh | the red lines on the top panell are on the screen |
| 11:23.21 | valdyn | e7th04sh: odd that only gfx is affected |
| 11:23.28 | valdyn | e7th04sh: try and older kernel / drivers |
| 11:23.44 | e7th04sh | it might also be related - sometimes i notice that the sound coming from the computer's guts depends on whether i move mouse or not |
| 11:23.47 | e7th04sh | etc. |
| 11:24.13 | e7th04sh | i think i should test the gfx in another boc |
| 11:24.16 | e7th04sh | box* |
| 11:24.28 | valdyn | e7th04sh: sounds like an interrupt issue |
| 11:24.54 | e7th04sh | would you care to explain? |
| 11:24.57 | valdyn | e7th04sh: try some live cd or a different kernel / driver |
| 11:25.14 | e7th04sh | oh right! live cd seems a good idea |
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| 11:25.27 | valdyn | e7th04sh: your hardware issues interrupts when theres data to read out for the cpu |
| 11:25.51 | valdyn | e7th04sh: if thats messed up its possible that activating one piece of hardware triggers the read out on a different piece of hardware |
| 11:26.50 | e7th04sh | neat, so that would mean my card is likely wroking well right? |
| 11:26.58 | valdyn | e7th04sh: nah |
| 11:27.27 | valdyn | e7th04sh: try a different kernel / driver or that gfx card in a different box first |
| 11:27.50 | valdyn | e7th04sh: we're getting far into guessing while theres easy things to try out and verify |
| 11:28.15 | e7th04sh | sure, thanks for assistance, if i check things and stil lcan't figure something out, you'll see me back here ;-) |
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| 11:32.26 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:32.57 | AlexC_ | we use Debian Lenny here in our office for our gateway; I'm looking for ways to protect our Windows users behind it from viruses a little bit, is this possible? |
| 11:34.14 | valdyn | AlexC_: scan their mail, force them to use privoxy |
| 11:34.56 | ziftex^ | If it where the 90's |
| 11:35.14 | valdyn | AlexC_: on top of that you can probably get a black list of websites for privoxy |
| 11:35.25 | ziftex^ | Most Windows machines are infected by driveby websites, Not mail. |
| 11:35.44 | ziftex^ | SecureDNS service migth be what you wan't. |
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| 11:36.05 | ziftex^ | where know badware sites are blocked at dns level. |
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| 11:37.40 | AlexC_ | ziftex^: yes, we currently use Google Public DNS but I was thinking of switching to OpenDNS as from what I've seen, they offer more protection |
| 11:37.44 | ziftex^ | AlexC_, you migth wan't to look at Copfilter |
| 11:37.53 | AlexC_ | valdyn: thanks, reading through the FAQ now |
| 11:38.21 | valdyn | privoxy can actually be useful for productivity too, but so can adblock ;) |
| 11:38.47 | ziftex^ | Copfilter can scan pop3, smtp, http and ftp trafic. |
| 11:39.45 | ziftex^ | Or if you have a budget, Baracuda virtual appliance. they have a webfilter thats better for scaning webtrafic. |
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| 11:39.59 | ziftex^ | But depend on size, budget and risk profile. |
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| 12:20.59 | adamska | hello i upgraded package on my squeeze/sid distro now during boot process i switch in grey screen, then black, then grey screen, usually the xdm login prompt appeared at this point, but in my case nothing |
| 12:21.28 | adamska | kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:21.38 | adamska | are you aware of this problem? |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | adamska: are you using nvidia/ati binary drivers? |
| 12:21.54 | adamska | abrotman, i think yes |
| 12:22.05 | abrotman | how did you install them? |
| 12:22.09 | adamska | abrotman, want to be sure but actually i can t access my box |
| 12:22.15 | adamska | abrotman, i use apt stuff only |
| 12:22.29 | abrotman | did you use the .run from the nvidia site? |
| 12:22.48 | adamska | abrotman, abrotman long time ago i can t remember, probably yes |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | then that's probably why it's broken .. do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 12:23.10 | adamska | abrotman, for you information the grub recovery mode doesn t not works |
| 12:23.18 | adamska | abrotman, yes |
| 12:23.54 | abrotman | try `mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak_20101101` .. then restart X/computer/whatever |
| 12:24.07 | adamska | abrotman, i really want to access my box to check but i can t now, i can use the grub command line shell but... it s not really smart |
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| 12:24.34 | adamska | abrotman, could i do this grom the grub command shell? |
| 12:24.37 | abrotman | !nodb |
| 12:24.38 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 12:24.45 | abrotman | oh grrr .. no bot |
| 12:24.52 | inc0 | hi, I have problem with grub. Basicly grub2 boots into console only |
| 12:25.05 | abrotman | adamska: append init=/bin/sh .. then use that mode to move that file |
| 12:25.17 | inc0 | that was caused by my messup with versions and running grub-install from legacy on grub2 files |
| 12:25.22 | inc0 | how to make it work? |
| 12:25.54 | inc0 | I have ubuntu livecd to help |
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| 12:30.49 | adamska | abrotman, mv cannot move /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak_20101101 Read only file system |
| 12:31.06 | adamska | abrotman, i have to change ro to rw in the grub command line? |
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| 12:32.21 | abrotman | no, just remount it read-write |
| 12:32.39 | abrotman | there's a remount option to mount |
| 12:36.07 | ilor | hi, I'm looking for a (gnome) screensaver that shows cpu and memory usage. Does anyone know something like it? |
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| 12:44.30 | adamska | abrotman, i mv the file but still not work.. |
| 12:44.34 | project2501b | idoru:/home# mount |
| 12:44.34 | project2501b | /dev/md3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 12:44.44 | project2501b | that means the disk is foobared, don't it? |
| 12:44.49 | abrotman | adamska: what is your video card? |
| 12:44.56 | project2501b | hey abrotman |
| 12:44.59 | abrotman | hi? |
| 12:45.11 | abrotman | why is the disk fubar? |
| 12:45.25 | project2501b | rw,errors=remount-ro |
| 12:45.30 | project2501b | what does that mean? |
| 12:45.37 | abrotman | that's normal |
| 12:45.41 | project2501b | that on errors remound the disk ro? |
| 12:45.52 | abrotman | it means it's currently R/W, but if there is an error, it will remount R/O |
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| 12:46.00 | project2501b | cool |
| 12:46.09 | abrotman | $ mount |
| 12:46.09 | abrotman | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 12:46.31 | project2501b | then i am out of any theory why i get this error: Access denied for user fred by PAM account configuration |
| 12:46.51 | project2501b | i try to ssh into the machine as anything else than root and i get that error on the auth log |
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| 12:47.20 | r15 | hi, is there any software to have my iPod working on debian? |
| 12:47.29 | adamska | abrotman, for you information i use fluxbox, and xdm |
| 12:47.31 | project2501b | r15: rythembox |
| 12:47.36 | abrotman | r15: depends which version of Debian and which iPod |
| 12:47.40 | adamska | abrotman, probably a way to disable xdm no? |
| 12:47.42 | abrotman | adamska: shouldn't matter .. |
| 12:47.45 | project2501b | r15: just make sure you format your ipod as fat not as hpfs |
| 12:47.52 | r15 | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 19:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 |
| 12:48.05 | project2501b | r15: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:48.05 | abrotman | adamska: yep .. mv /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm /etc/rc2.d/T99xdm |
| 12:48.29 | abrotman | r15: try rhythmbox .. but i think that version in lenny doesn't work with the iPod Touch |
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| 12:49.18 | r15 | when i plug in iPod, rhythmbox starts automatically and it is showing ipod |
| 12:49.32 | PJ2 | Hi I want to enable talk, I sudoed apt-get install talkd, and apt-get install talk, and also I restarted inetd |
| 12:49.39 | PJ2 | what else should I do? |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | PJ2: that's it |
| 12:49.48 | r15 | but the import is not working, or if i drag some song to ipod icon, it crashes rhythmbox |
| 12:50.07 | PJ2 | abrotman, but when I type talk username |
| 12:50.15 | PJ2 | says: host name username unkown |
| 12:50.25 | abrotman | it has to be a name that exists on your system |
| 12:50.32 | PJ2 | I does |
| 12:50.37 | PJ2 | it's my own username |
| 12:51.58 | abrotman | PJ2: dpkg -l talkd talk .. and put the error in a pastebin |
| 12:53.17 | r15 | any other option to have iPod working on debian? |
| 12:53.44 | project2501b | i'm a dumbass |
| 12:53.50 | project2501b | i forgot to erase /etc/nologin |
| 12:54.08 | project2501b | one more thing to put in nagios to watch out for. |
| 12:57.11 | adamska | abrotman, still no works really i am bound |
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| 12:58.08 | adamska | abrotman, i change the xorg.conf and change the file /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm to /etc/rc2.d/T99xdm |
| 12:58.25 | adamska | but it still try to launch X i think |
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| 13:00.56 | abrotman | adamska: it shouldn't unless you're using something other xdm |
| 13:01.28 | adamska | abrotman, humm fluxbox conf i think is realted to this problem? |
| 13:06.47 | abrotman | adamska: if you've stopped xdm and removed the xorg.conf .. you should be able to start the system and at least get to the console |
| 13:07.09 | abrotman | adamska: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 13:09.27 | PJ2 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/hrXa3MtZ |
| 13:09.58 | abrotman | your user is 'foo' ? |
| 13:10.14 | PJ2 | abrotman, not foo it's porya |
| 13:10.29 | abrotman | did you try 'talk porya@localhost' ? |
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| 13:11.13 | PJ2 | that's the same |
| 13:11.29 | PJ2 | abrotman, I restarted inetd with HUP signal |
| 13:11.44 | PJ2 | abrotman, maybe that's the problem |
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| 13:14.19 | iglu | i've read through the policy manual's section on shared libraries, but i'm still unsure how to provide a shlibs file |
| 13:14.21 | PJ2 | abrotman, how can I restart inetd |
| 13:14.30 | iglu | is there anything else i can read through? |
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| 13:21.37 | PJ2 | http://pastebin.com/hrXa3MtZ |
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| 13:24.18 | adamska | abrotman, there is a way to know what graphical driver my system use from my console in single mode? |
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| 13:26.07 | abrotman | PJ2: /etc/init.d/inetd restart ? |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | adamska: you can look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:26.24 | PJ2 | abrotman, I didi |
| 13:26.28 | PJ2 | *did |
| 13:26.38 | abrotman | iglu: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is probably a better place to ask |
| 13:26.48 | abrotman | PJ2: do you have a firewall on the system? |
| 13:27.09 | PJ2 | I don't know that much about the system |
| 13:27.22 | abrotman | iptables -L |
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| 13:27.46 | iglu | abrotman: cheers |
| 13:28.37 | PJ2 | abrotman, I fixed that problem |
| 13:28.57 | PJ2 | abrotman, the problem was I did su foo not su - foo |
| 13:29.07 | PJ2 | abrotman, I was not logged on |
| 13:29.15 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | oh .. duh |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | got it |
| 13:29.46 | PJ2 | abrotman, thanks by the way |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
| 13:29.55 | PJ2 | abrotman, I have another problem now, |
| 13:29.59 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | runs away! |
| 13:30.10 | PJ2 | abrotman, lol |
| 13:30.22 | PJ2 | abrotman, usernames on my system have a dot |
| 13:30.23 | abrotman | just ask |
| 13:30.32 | PJ2 | like foo.bar |
| 13:30.42 | PJ2 | and when I type talk foo.bar |
| 13:30.56 | PJ2 | says unknown host: foo |
| 13:31.04 | PJ2 | what can I do? |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | quote it? |
| 13:31.20 | PJ2 | doesn't work |
| 13:31.27 | olorin_ | -- |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | foo\.bar ? |
| 13:32.36 | PJ2 | already tried that |
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| 13:33.20 | abrotman | tried ' and " ? |
| 13:34.08 | PJ2 | no doesn't work |
| 13:34.40 | olorin_ | PJ2: PJ2 [avatar@valinor ~]$ talk -- foo.bar |
| 13:36.18 | PJ2 | olorin_, tried that, |
| 13:36.25 | PJ2 | doesn't work either |
| 13:36.49 | olorin_ | Interesting. |
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| 13:37.01 | PJ2 | hmm |
| 13:37.03 | Jef91 | Anyone know a good HOWTO link off hand for a settings up a debian repo? |
| 13:37.54 | ttiicc | if I install Debian without X, will be able to start applications as GIMP and Chrome? And see these applications GUIs as usual? |
| 13:38.24 | adamska | abrotman, should i also mv all the S99xdm link in all the rcN.d directory |
| 13:38.35 | adamska | abrotman, to disable xdm i mean. |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | the default is 2 .. did you change that? you can change the others as well |
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| 13:40.00 | abrotman | Jef91: try the package reprepro |
| 13:41.15 | jackweb | "Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything." - during Debian boot. How to install those extensions? |
| 13:41.18 | x1250 | I'm using suphp and /usr/share/wordpress is owned by root. Is chowning /usr/share/wordpress to some other owner the only solution so I can share the wordpress installation between several sites using suphp? |
| 13:42.09 | jackweb | the problem appears after installing KVM |
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| 13:44.14 | jackweb | or maybe should I change KVM to kqemu? |
| 13:44.19 | adamska | abrotman, i change in rc2.d to rc5.d directory S99xdm to T99xdm but still not work |
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| 13:50.03 | dave_ed | anyone feel like solving a really difficult problem.? I've accidently written over the first 25 characters of /dev/sda |
| 13:50.33 | dave_ed | I still have an intact partition table, and a boot CD will find it if I tell it to "boot from first hard disk" |
| 13:50.44 | dave_ed | however it won't load up on it's own. (funnily enough!) |
| 13:50.45 | abrotman | adamska: maybe just remove xdm gdm kdm ? |
| 13:52.07 | adamska | abrotman, http://serverfault.com/questions/189085/debian-squeeze-console-not-working-after-upgrade |
| 13:52.23 | adamska | abrotman, he have the same problem as me |
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| 13:52.50 | adamska | has* |
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| 13:54.15 | not_david | dave_ed: reinstall grub? |
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| 13:55.57 | shadow98 | i have an inotifywait script that i created...http://pastebin.com/pSNgwD9b when i execute it the command line never returns...which is correct because it is waiting how do i make this run in the background and also work on reboot |
| 13:56.24 | dave_ed | not_david: I tried that, thinking it shoudl be the MBR but it doesn't seem to have fixed it. |
| 13:56.41 | dave_ed | not_david: I ran grub-setup |
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| 13:58.24 | bartzy_ | Hi everyone, |
| 13:58.59 | bartzy_ | I tried to do nmap port scanning on my server, dicovered many open ports that I don't know how they're open (FTP, POP3, IMAP, POP3S)..I have none of this services, I also don't have openbsd-inetd or xinetd |
| 13:59.03 | bartzy_ | http://pastebin.com/T7yiiWB9 this is the port scanning |
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| 14:00.03 | bartzy_ | how come I have ftp 21 port opened ? :| |
| 14:00.11 | bartzy_ | I tried to telnet to port 21 and it actually works |
| 14:00.15 | not_david | bartzy_: disable the unneeded services or block them with iptables |
| 14:00.32 | bartzy_ | not_david: But how can it be that I have those services ? I never installed them. |
| 14:00.51 | bartzy_ | I don't want to do it backwards - disable something I don't want with IPtables.. I don't want the server to listen at that port at all.. |
| 14:01.00 | dave_ed | bartzy_: run netstat then telnet into them. |
| 14:01.02 | bartzy_ | tried to do lsof -i :21 but nothing shows |
| 14:01.03 | dave_ed | see what has them open |
| 14:01.17 | jackweb | how to install kqemu on Debian? |
| 14:01.21 | stew | bartzy_: what does "aptitude search '~i~Pftp-server'" return? |
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| 14:02.33 | bartzy_ | stew: nothing. |
| 14:02.47 | bartzy_ | yet when I do telnet MY_IP 21, it get connected then immediately dropped... |
| 14:02.51 | stew | bartzy_: what des "netstat -plant | grep :21" return? |
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| 14:04.12 | stew | bartzy_: I would guess that inetd is configured to listen on port 21, but you done't have an ftp server installed to handle the requests, so inetd answers, tries to launch a non-existant ftp server, which fails, so the connection is dropped |
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| 14:07.04 | bartzy_ | hi sorry |
| 14:07.10 | bartzy_ | I don't think I have inetd. |
| 14:07.14 | bartzy_ | how can I check ? |
| 14:07.43 | bartzy_ | netstat -p is awesome!! |
| 14:07.52 | bartzy_ | I don't see port 21 in netstat -planet |
| 14:07.53 | bartzy_ | I don't see port 21 in netstat -plant |
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| 14:10.26 | bartzy_ | stew ? :) |
| 14:10.45 | valdyn | bartzy_: you scanned something else, not that server with nmap |
| 14:11.10 | bartzy_ | Why do you think ? I scanned it.. I do have port 4568 and 10000-10005 opened |
| 14:12.00 | valdyn | bartzy_: thats not (FTP, POP3, IMAP, POP3S), and every user can open those high ports |
| 14:12.20 | bartzy_ | OK, but I opened them. |
| 14:12.33 | bartzy_ | SMTP for example says FILTERED in nmap.. what's that ? |
| 14:12.37 | bartzy_ | but FTP just says Open. |
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| 14:12.57 | valdyn | bartzy_: as I said, your not scanning the same computer as you are running your netstat on |
| 14:13.20 | valdyn | bartzy_: youre probably scanning your firewall or your router, not your debian box where you ran netstat on |
| 14:14.18 | bartzy_ | valdyn: You mean my firewall is catching the scanning ? |
| 14:14.22 | valdyn | bartzy_: and youre probably confused about what "opening a port" means |
| 14:14.30 | bartzy_ | OK, can you explain ? |
| 14:14.39 | valdyn | bartzy_: no, i mean it was scanned, its not "catching" |
| 14:15.29 | stew | bartzy_: if netstat says you aren't listening to a port, but you can still telnet to that port then either A) you are telnetting to the wrong machine B) you've been hacked and netstat or something has been replaced with a malicious version C) some firewall is in the way which is rewriting the packets |
| 14:15.48 | stew | bartzy_: valdyn is supposing A). |
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| 14:16.01 | bartzy_ | I'm telneting the right machine. |
| 14:16.18 | bartzy_ | It's just my ip. it's static and it's the right machine. |
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| 14:16.43 | bartzy_ | maybe the company (my work place) firewall somehow catches the packets for some reason ? |
| 14:16.50 | valdyn | bartzy: 85.64.236.16 is not your machine, its your internet router? |
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| 14:17.31 | valdyn | bartzy: does not make sense since ftp is scanned as open |
| 14:17.47 | stew | and there is a filezilla server running there |
| 14:17.52 | bartzy_ | valdyn: That's not the machine I'm talking about. It's a server |
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| 14:18.43 | bartzy_ | well I just tried nmap from another server to this server |
| 14:18.53 | bartzy_ | and it really doesn't show any of the 21,25,995 ports open... |
| 14:19.01 | bartzy_ | so probably my company firewall is doing something |
| 14:19.05 | bartzy_ | interesting to know what |
| 14:19.54 | bartzy_ | well, nmap google.com @ work says ftp and all the other mambo jumbo is open there too... |
| 14:19.58 | bartzy_ | lol :) |
| 14:20.09 | bartzy_ | thanks guys. |
| 14:20.32 | valdyn | bartzy_: you cant compare that, its totally intransparent to us what they have there physically |
| 14:22.22 | bartzy_ | yeah but I tried some more big sites |
| 14:22.25 | bartzy_ | all show the same thing |
| 14:22.42 | bartzy_ | so my open ports should be netstat -ln ? |
| 14:22.43 | stew | so it was C |
| 14:22.50 | bartzy_ | stew: Yep. |
| 14:23.10 | bartzy_ | I should use netstat -ln or nmap ? |
| 14:23.24 | valdyn | bartzy_: depends on the purpose |
| 14:23.38 | stew | netstat -tunl |
| 14:23.39 | bartzy_ | I want to know what are my server's open ports. |
| 14:23.50 | stew | bartzy_: what do you mean by "open port"? |
| 14:23.50 | bartzy_ | why -t ? maybe I want udp too ? |
| 14:24.04 | stew | bartzy_: if you want tcp and udp, use both -t and -u like i said |
| 14:24.05 | bartzy_ | stew: A port that my server is listening too with that IP ? |
| 14:24.19 | bartzy_ | stew: By default if I don't specify anything, it's not both ? |
| 14:24.25 | stew | its both and more |
| 14:24.56 | bartzy_ | oh yeah it's unix sockets too |
| 14:25.04 | valdyn | bartzy_: you only care for listening ports primarly |
| 14:25.16 | bartzy_ | valdyn: Right. That's what I mean when I asked about open ports. |
| 14:25.36 | bartzy_ | so either netstat -tunl or nmap to that machine will work fine right ? |
| 14:26.03 | stew | bartzy_: nmap being the one that told you that port 21 is open? |
| 14:26.36 | valdyn | bartzy_: nmap could show everything being open, or nothing, depending on the firewall in between, its almost useless for this |
| 14:26.48 | bartzy_ | OK |
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| 14:26.54 | bartzy_ | so I'll use netstat like you suggested. |
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| 14:27.17 | bartzy_ | lsof -i is not useful here ? just use netstat with -p when I want to know the process that is listening to that port ? |
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| 14:32.31 | bartzy_ | ? |
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| 14:36.56 | bartzy_ | stew/valdyn ? |
| 14:37.45 | stew | Bastihase: please don't do that |
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| 14:37.57 | stew | bartzy_: either works |
| 14:37.59 | Bastihase | i have test |
| 14:38.10 | stew | Bastihase: don't test here, use ##test or something |
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| 14:39.05 | bartzy_ | what's CTCP ? |
| 14:39.40 | x1250 | I use suphp so every web run as its own user, I like that. But now, if I want to use debian's wordpress I must chown /usr/share/wordpress to www-data, or else run it as root, which, ofcourse, I don't want to do. But then, what is the point of having suphp if every vhost is going to run debian's wordpress as www-data? ? Is there any other solution to use suphp with debian's wordpress? |
| 14:40.09 | thewanderer1 | x1250: what prevents you from chowning that to a normal user? |
| 14:40.54 | x1250 | thewanderer1, what would be the point of that? the problem is that chowning to any user would result in running suphp with a user shared by all vhosts |
| 14:41.07 | jelly-hme | x1250: a symlink farm to the user's DocumentRoot? |
| 14:41.11 | bint | bartzy |
| 14:41.16 | bint | CTCP is client to client protocoll |
| 14:41.30 | jelly-hme | x1250: (basically, give each user their own copy) |
| 14:41.36 | bint | often used in irc to see someones version, time, or extra information |
| 14:41.46 | bint | /ctcp finger user fe. |
| 14:42.13 | thewanderer1 | x1250: you have to give every user a copy of this script. |
| 14:42.29 | x1250 | mmm, ok, not for lazy people |
| 14:42.31 | thewanderer1 | x1250: or configure Apache using mpm-itk, provide for shared access and private storage/config spaces |
| 14:43.27 | thewanderer1 | you should be able to get by with just private config.php and symlink all the files, perhaps leaving directories unsymlinked so that the users can put files/themes/modules there |
| 14:43.33 | jelly-hme | x1250: yeah, Debian packaging of php apps often leaves something to be desired |
| 14:43.59 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: it's not like any other packaging handles it better - the app itself would have to be aware of "multi-site" option |
| 14:44.14 | thewanderer1 | there are such scripts, or perhaps even WordPress patches |
| 14:44.52 | thewanderer1 | if I were to do it, I'd give every user a copy of WordPress and use ZFS to deduplicate data so that they can change anything and it gets copy-on-write'd |
| 14:45.08 | FoxM | hi all. I have a problem with the radeon driver. it seems that it is not enabling 3D support although the kernel is enabled with both DRM and AGP support. The glxinfo program says that direct render is enabled, but the opengl line tells me it is only software rendering. I checked the xorg log and it says that direct rendering is disabled. The kernel shows two error lines related to "ring test" and "cp isn't working". Here are the logs: |
| 14:45.08 | FoxM | http://pastebin.com/a1DTDupM http://pastebin.com/DZqxKNwy I hopw you can help me |
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| 14:45.17 | thewanderer1 | but it largely depends on your policy - for instance, if you want to provide custom configs _only_ (and perhaps themes) then you could stay with symlinks |
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| 14:47.17 | thewanderer1 | FoxM: try disabling KMS |
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| 14:49.21 | FoxM | thewanderer1: thanks. I will look at google on how to do that, or if you can tell me, that would be awesome. |
| 14:49.56 | thewanderer1 | !kms |
| 14:50.22 | thewanderer1 | dpkg where are you :( |
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| 14:50.28 | karlpinc | dpkg: kms |
| 14:50.39 | jhutchins_lt | No dpkg today. |
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| 14:51.02 | FoxM | thewanderer1: found it on debian wiki... thanks |
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| 14:59.22 | ttiicc | The delay option in anacorn is for if 5 anacron jobs should run after the latest reboot then command A with delay 5 min will not let any of the other commands in the anacron to be executed in the near 5 minutes after command A is executed? |
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| 15:03.07 | eth01 | hi. i'm using osticket with exim4 to send mail. looking at the message headers - localhost ([192.168.16.17] RDNS failed) - why would it be RDNS failed? |
| 15:03.14 | eth01 | there are A name records and PTR records in place .. i am v confused |
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| 15:03.55 | ribasushi | eth01: does `host 192.168.16.17` work? |
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| 15:04.59 | eth01 | yes.. resolves the name ribasushi |
| 15:05.18 | ribasushi | if it resolves 'ribasushi' that'd be quite wrong :D |
| 15:05.36 | ribasushi | eth01: then your exim is not talking to the same dns server you are |
| 15:05.53 | ribasushi | eth01: maybe some chroot buggery with a different /etc/resolve.conf |
| 15:05.56 | eth01 | ribasushi, i've done a dpkg reconfigure on exim4. double checked everything all seems ok there. |
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| 15:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | eth01: The rdns reply doesn't match the hostname being used - make sure that it's a fqdn that's returned, and that it's the same fqdn as the machine name in exim. |
| 15:08.17 | ttiicc | I asked a question about anacorn at 15:59. could some one please answer it? |
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| 15:09.28 | eth01 | ok - well the hostname and IP address are all matching. the ip resolves to the correct hostname and viceaversa. |
| 15:10.23 | eth01 | would the hosts file make a difference? |
| 15:10.51 | eth01 | http://pastebin.com/jrL9uf67 thats my hosts file |
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| 15:14.16 | valdyn | eth01: what is the precise output for "host 192.168.16.17" |
| 15:14.50 | eth01 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/25dy6KXr |
| 15:15.21 | valdyn | eth01: thats not debians host command |
| 15:15.42 | valdyn | eth01: ( so I dont know what it does ) |
| 15:16.12 | eth01 | valdyn: its not debians host command ? is there another command out there in the big wide world? |
| 15:16.22 | valdyn | eth01: lots |
| 15:16.48 | valdyn | eth01: "dig 17.16.168.192.in-addr.arpa" |
| 15:17.03 | bartzy_ | How can I know if my system is currently I/O bound ? |
| 15:17.12 | bartzy_ | or CPU bound for instance ? |
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| 15:17.55 | eth01 | valdyn no package for that, lol, |
| 15:18.03 | unclemantis | how do i link "10.0.0.2" to my localhost |
| 15:18.05 | valdyn | bartzy_: cpu at 100%, loadavg high -> could be cpu bound, loadavg high and cpu at low usage -> is io bound |
| 15:18.06 | eth01 | ah dnsutils i remember |
| 15:18.42 | bartzy_ | valdyn: Why if the loadavg is high and cpu is low then it's Io bound ? |
| 15:18.53 | bartzy_ | valdyn: I can't use something like iostat to determine that better ? |
| 15:19.03 | bartzy_ | I just don't know what to look at exactly |
| 15:19.03 | valdyn | bartzy_: because theres only 2 things that can cause load, io and cpu |
| 15:19.07 | karlpinc | eth01: getent hosts x.x.x.x will do not just dns but whatever the resolver does. |
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| 15:19.19 | eth01 | valdyn/karlpinc, this is from dig -> http://pastebin.com/1cjVC6QH |
| 15:19.27 | bartzy_ | valdyn: avgload is not just the cpu usage in the past 1/5/15 minutes ? |
| 15:19.37 | valdyn | bartzy_: nopr |
| 15:19.56 | bartzy_ | nopr ? |
| 15:19.59 | valdyn | eth01: there you go, reverse lookup not working |
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| 15:20.36 | Pendrag0n | Uh,... zero people in chat room? |
| 15:20.46 | eth01 | valdyn: im confused about the output not used dig before. looks interesting. i take it the problem is because there is nothing after the IN A ... |
| 15:21.01 | valdyn | eth01: no, thats the question section |
| 15:21.06 | karlpinc | unclemantis: You probably need to read the appropriate section of the reference manual at debian.org to understand what you're doing. |
| 15:21.09 | valdyn | eth01: you dont have an answer section at all |
| 15:21.25 | eth01 | valdyn, so is the problem lying on the dns server? |
| 15:21.29 | Pendrag0n | I use screen ALLOT || sometimes I have 12 screens open and in each one vim with 4 or 5 or more split wins (open files) || I just hit CTRL+A,C for a new window and tried to edit a file and found it was already open || QUESTION: is there a faster way of knowing in WHICH screen it is open in than CTRL+A,N over and over looking and reading each and every one? |
| 15:22.24 | unclemantis | karlpinc: the thing is it was working fine friday but now it is not and the admin is home sick and this is a development box and I am just tring to make sence of this mysql error and I am looking at the php config files and they are pointing to that IP address |
| 15:22.42 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: lsof to get the pid and then something like "ps --forest" to easily see what's the parent. (Although how you tell which screen is which anyway is beyond my screen knowledge.) |
| 15:23.57 | karlpinc | unclemantis: You might want to tell us what your real problem is then, perhaps show us the mysql error, so we can directly resolve the issue. |
| 15:24.06 | Pendrag0n | I wish I could change the VIM message FROM: Swap file "include/.functions.inc.swp" already exists! [O]pen Read-Only, (E)dit anyway, (R)ecover, (Q)uit, (A)bort: TO: "include/.functions.inc.swp" already exists! IN screen: NAME HERE |
| 15:24.11 | Pendrag0n | like a slick vim hack |
| 15:24.12 | eth01 | the answer is the problem valdyn? |
| 15:24.31 | valdyn | eth01: forget what i said, hold on |
| 15:24.31 | unclemantis | I am getting this error "Not connected : Can't connect to MySQL server on '10.0.0.2' (4)" |
| 15:24.51 | Pendrag0n | karlpinc: "ps --forest" < ???? |
| 15:24.52 | unclemantis | when i look in the php files the host is connecting to that ip address |
| 15:24.53 | karlpinc | unclemantis: Can you ping 10.0.0.2? |
| 15:25.05 | unclemantis | on the server itself no |
| 15:25.16 | valdyn | eth01: do the "dig PTR 17.16.168.192.in-addr.arpa" |
| 15:25.24 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: It's not all that useful without stuff like -ax added |
| 15:25.31 | valdyn | eth01: my first command was just wrong for this |
| 15:26.05 | Pendrag0n | ah, well I just tried ps ax | grep PID and found results, but they don't help in anyway that I see in determining WHICH screen. |
| 15:26.10 | karlpinc | unclemantis: Either someone has stupidly blocked ping or some server is down. Perhaps it's virtual? |
| 15:26.25 | Pendrag0n | I have dozens of vim addons and tricks already added, I know somebody must have done this or know how.... |
| 15:26.26 | unclemantis | this is running inside virtualbox |
| 15:26.30 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: How do you tell which screen is which anyhow? |
| 15:26.30 | eth01 | valdyn: flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
| 15:26.42 | Pendrag0n | I have a screenrc file |
| 15:26.44 | eth01 | valdyn: comes back with a PTR now we have changed it a PTR type |
| 15:26.48 | Pendrag0n | and custom names throughout the title bar |
| 15:26.53 | unclemantis | but i am logged into the server within virtualbox and pining that ip and i am getting no where |
| 15:26.54 | Pendrag0n | and it shows a * infront of the active one |
| 15:27.08 | karlpinc | unclemantis: But it's pingable out on the regular network? |
| 15:27.11 | valdyn | eth01: right, so dns is ok it seems |
| 15:27.35 | eth01 | valdyn, the mail is pushed through our exchange server - smtp server |
| 15:27.35 | Pendrag0n | karlpinc: two lines in my .screenrc file are >> hardstatus on |
| 15:27.35 | Pendrag0n | and >>hardstatus lastline "%-Lw%{= BW}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<" |
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| 15:27.54 | Pendrag0n | plus I usually name them with CTRL+A,Shift+A |
| 15:27.59 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: Maybe you need to add the pid to the custom names. |
| 15:28.06 | eth01 | valdyn, the php script is configured to push the mail through that. every email has rdns failed. checked all the hostnames they are fine and if this is ok.. |
| 15:28.09 | unclemantis | if i ping from outside i get a request timed out |
| 15:28.19 | Pendrag0n | they are named things like reps, classes, pages, we use the model view control folder structure |
| 15:28.26 | Pendrag0n | hmm |
| 15:28.26 | unclemantis | when i ping from within the debian box in the virtualbox i just sits there |
| 15:28.29 | Pendrag0n | that's not a bad idea |
| 15:28.31 | Pendrag0n | I wonder how |
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| 15:29.10 | karlpinc | unclemantis: If the IP is not on the network then either a machine is down or you've got some sort of NATting going on between the VM and the real network. |
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| 15:29.38 | finetic | Somebody in here has experience setting up a VPN server on a (dedicated server) linux system? |
| 15:29.43 | finetic | OpenVPN for example |
| 15:29.50 | karlpinc | !somebody |
| 15:29.58 | karlpinc | finetic: Ask your real question. |
| 15:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: bot's dead. |
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| 15:30.20 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.26 | Pendrag0n | however, just ask, |
| 15:30.44 | Pendrag0n | room is broken btw, I only see new names, not anyone here before me |
| 15:30.52 | karlpinc | finetic: Yes. Openvpn can be a good choice. Go use ut. |
| 15:31.06 | karlpinc | s/ut/it/ |
| 15:31.07 | finetic | karlpinc: what more choices are considerable for this? |
| 15:31.12 | finetic | Pendrag0n: can i send a small pm? |
| 15:32.17 | karlpinc | finetic: Something IPSec, like Openswan. Those are harder to setup, although are less picky about stuff like NAT which is sometimes annoying when you've got the same rfc1918 addresses on both sides of the VPN. |
| 15:32.29 | karlpinc | finetic: You probaly want openvpn. |
| 15:32.32 | Pendrag0n | yes |
| 15:32.40 | Pendrag0n | but I am on my way out the door, I'll be back in an hour |
| 15:32.48 | karlpinc | finetic: Just ask the channel. |
| 15:33.13 | karlpinc | finetic: For quick and dirty use an ssh tunnel. |
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| 15:33.37 | finetic | karlpinc: thats the thing, I want just to be IN the network of my dedicated server |
| 15:33.42 | finetic | ssh tunnel is a bit limited |
| 15:33.59 | karlpinc | finetic: So use openvpn. |
| 15:34.18 | adamska | abrotman, i finally get an ssh prompt on it |
| 15:34.19 | karlpinc | finetic: tail -f is your friend. |
| 15:34.25 | adamska | abrotman, if you remember my pb |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | adamska: yes, i remembert |
| 15:34.39 | eth01 | valdyn: could it be the fact that it relays through exchange? |
| 15:34.53 | adamska | abrotman, i repalce all stuff S99xdm link and xorg.conf |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | adamska: so you're going to look at your Xorg.0.log and your xorg.conf? (though you should have already moved that aside) |
| 15:35.00 | Pendrag0n | Guys, I have to run for a lunch meeting, but I really REALLY could use this, if any of you know or figure it out, please PM me the answer |
| 15:35.07 | valdyn | eth01: no the rdns fails before that.. |
| 15:35.18 | eth01 | valdyn: but where : -) |
| 15:35.23 | abrotman | Pendrag0n: you can name the screens? |
| 15:35.34 | valdyn | eth01: i dont know |
| 15:35.41 | Pendrag0n | I do name them, yes |
| 15:35.58 | eth01 | valdyn: is there a dirty fix? |
| 15:36.00 | Pendrag0n | but now think of me opening a 13th screen perhaps vim and 4 files |
| 15:36.07 | karlpinc | abrotman: He did, but is not currently tracing that back to the pid. |
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| 15:37.19 | Pendrag0n | abrotman:I do name them, yes but now think of me opening a 13th screen perhaps vim and 4 files, then I go to CTRL+w+n, :e filename and I get the already opened message from vim, it only shows the pid. Now I have to go through 12 screens and look at maybe 10 vim filenames per screen to see where it is already opened... it is a major pain in the butt |
| 15:38.35 | abrotman | Pendrag0n: have you tried asking #screen if there's a better way? |
| 15:38.39 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: Why not just re-open it? Won't vim let you recover any unsaved changes? |
| 15:38.40 | x1250 | is there any website builder asides of webgen on debian stable? (webgen didn't work for me) |
| 15:39.19 | Pendrag0n | unsaved changes... just a pain in the butt |
| 15:39.21 | karlpinc | Pendrag0n: (or warn you when you get back to the original that it's been "stolen"?) |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | x1250: like a WYSIWYG website editor? |
| 15:39.43 | Pendrag0n | hmmm I'll try the screen room, I didn't know there was one. |
| 15:40.52 | x1250 | abrotman, could be, do you know a good one? |
| 15:40.59 | karlpinc | x1250: If "aptitude search" won't do the trick install debtags and use it (or the aptitude's tag search (~G) feature) to search for one. |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | x1250: only one i know of is the one in iceape |
| 15:41.37 | karlpinc | x1250: popcon.debian.org (IIRC) will tell you how much use a particular package has. |
| 15:41.48 | karlpinc | x1250: bluefish is one I think. Of course emacs has a mode. |
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| 15:43.36 | x1250 | abrotman, webgen's description: A template based static website generator. But i installed it, and then could not install some of its components. |
| 15:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | x1250: I generally use vi, but quanta's not too bad. |
| 15:43.51 | x1250 | I'm not looking for a html editor |
| 15:43.59 | x1250 | for that I use gedit. |
| 15:45.16 | ZinovaS | i'm partitioning my disk, is boot partition is enough to be able to boot into RAID from any hdd? (planing RAID1+0 from 3drives and RAID1 to boot partition) |
| 15:45.21 | jhutchins_lt | Quanta can use templates. |
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| 15:46.27 | karlpinc | ZinovaS: Once the kernel and the initramfs is loaded off the boot partition then any sort of raid can be on the other partitions. |
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| 15:46.57 | ramanK | I had logined to my Debian VPS via SSH some minutes ago and I entered www.vpsdomain.com:8000 in my local browser . The SSH session suddenly freezed! and the vps even doesn't answer to ping. What 's happening? |
| 15:47.30 | jelly-hme | ZinovaS: in general yes. There may be installer or boot issues but they can be fixed. |
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| 15:48.25 | ramanK | The 8000 port was open but nothing was listening on it |
| 15:48.38 | stew | ramanK: if your machine crashed, talk to the hosting provider |
| 15:49.13 | stew | ramanK: it doesn't sound like what you did in your browser is likely to be related |
| 15:49.27 | ramanK | stew: I want to know why a simple mistake like this cause to crash |
| 15:49.42 | stew | ramanK: i don't see causailty |
| 15:50.18 | ramanK | stew: it happent immediately when I entered that |
| 15:50.31 | karlpinc | ramanK: Correlation is not causation. |
| 15:50.55 | stew | ramanK: at the same time, i was going to google, i don't think my going to google caused your machine to crash either |
| 15:51.08 | ramanK | nice ideas :) |
| 15:51.10 | ZinovaS | jelly-hme is there any better way to boot from RAID0 ? |
| 15:51.38 | ramanK | stew , karlpinc : thanks |
| 15:52.16 | eth01 | valdyn, would the fqdn be a problem |
| 15:52.31 | ramanK | stew: by the way what log files do you think I should consider after rebooting? |
| 15:54.45 | stew | ramanK: /var/log/syslog? if you machine froze up completely it was probably not writing to logfiles |
| 15:55.41 | ramanK | stew: thanks for your help :) |
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| 15:59.14 | mariusk90 | hi, how can i trigger a script by a uevent like "/sys/class/drm/card0-VGA-1/uevent"? |
| 15:59.40 | yareckon | offtopic -> http://www.eris-olymp.de/misc/animations/flood-surfing.gif |
| 16:01.42 | stew | yareckon: wrong channel |
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| 16:02.01 | stew | yareckon: you want something like #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 16:02.42 | abrotman | x1250: oh, not what i thought, ignore me |
| 16:03.13 | yareckon | stew, hmm that exists... |
| 16:03.18 | bobthemilkman | Does any one know where I can download the source for libpthreads? (I know this is dangerous. I almost know what I am doing.) |
| 16:05.24 | bobthemilkman | P.S. Google is useless. "Download posix threads library" "download pthreads" "download libpthreads" "libpthreads source" are useless. |
| 16:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libpthreads |
| 16:06.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libpthreads' was found in i386. |
| 16:07.05 | stew | its part of libc |
| 16:07.09 | stew | isn't it? |
| 16:07.16 | bobthemilkman | I think that sounds right. Where can I get that? |
| 16:07.32 | stew | bobthemilkman: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 16:07.33 | bobthemilkman | I'm not too sure on all of the details, but it's something like an extension of threads from glibc? |
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| 16:08.14 | bobthemilkman | stew: Long story short, my brand new supercomputer isn't properly configured and I think recompiling this library (and dependencies) from source will fix it. |
| 16:08.21 | bobthemilkman | Also I don't want to wait on the administrator to fix it. |
| 16:08.35 | yareckon | ur.. |
| 16:08.39 | bobthemilkman | I'm essentially going to be working inside something akin to a chroot environment, so I'm not worried about breaking anything. |
| 16:08.56 | bobthemilkman | At any rate, my code is segfaulting in libpthread.so |
| 16:09.06 | stew | bobthemilkman: run "aptitude search '~i~Dlibc6'" to get a list of packages you are talking about |
| 16:09.17 | stew | bobthemilkman: but you are talking about recompiling basically EVERY compiled package on your machine |
| 16:09.39 | stew | bobthemilkman: what are you going to change about how it is compiled? |
| 16:09.56 | bobthemilkman | stew: Great! There's about 4 compiled programs in the chroot environment, so it should be fine! |
| 16:10.00 | stew | bobthemilkman: no |
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| 16:10.12 | bobthemilkman | stew: I want to compile it with icc instead of gcc. |
| 16:10.55 | stew | bobthemilkman: you are going to recompile all of the debian base system with another compiler and you are going to expect to have less problems than when you started? |
| 16:11.42 | abrotman | stew: duh :) |
| 16:11.58 | bobthemilkman | Like I said, I'm working in something akin to a chroot environment, so I should be fine. |
| 16:12.14 | bobthemilkman | I *almost* know what I'm doing! |
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| 16:12.29 | stew | bobthemilkman: you are going to use sbuild or something? |
| 16:12.43 | stew | bobthemilkman: i hope you have a lot of time on your hands |
| 16:13.47 | bobthemilkman | I don't want to recompile the libpthreads that the system uses. |
| 16:14.04 | stew | bobthemilkman: just the packages that depend on libc? |
| 16:14.11 | bobthemilkman | I want to recompile the libpthreads that this one program is using, that I have compiled from source and is including /usr/lib/libpthreads.so and I want it to include $HOME/lib/libpthreads.so |
| 16:14.22 | bobthemilkman | This should not be a problem. |
| 16:14.45 | stew | bobthemilkman: you understand that the pacakge you are recompiling is the MOST fundamental package of the entire system |
| 16:15.05 | stew | so when you say "and the pacakges which depend on it" you are talking about basically all the packages |
| 16:15.10 | bobthemilkman | stew: You fail to understand. I'm not *RE*compiling anything. |
| 16:15.30 | bobthemilkman | I want to keep the system the exact same as it is. |
| 16:15.45 | bobthemilkman | I want to manually compile one library with another compiler, and then link the library into ONE executable. |
| 16:15.53 | bobthemilkman | This shouldn't be a major problem. |
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| 16:17.32 | tensorpudding | you want to build an executable using a non-standard libpthreads? |
| 16:17.37 | bobthemilkman | Yes. |
| 16:17.41 | bobthemilkman | That is exactly what I want to do. |
| 16:17.47 | bobthemilkman | AN, singular. |
| 16:18.05 | tensorpudding | why? |
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| 16:18.55 | bobthemilkman | Long story short, I think it will fix the problem. |
| 16:18.58 | tensorpudding | if it's written in C, it should be possible to have it link against this other pthreads but doing so might break things |
| 16:20.01 | finetic | Anyone in here who is experienced setting up a VPN server? need some help |
| 16:20.02 | stew | tensorpudding: he wants to recompile libc6 and its dependencies without recompiling anything. there are 4 compiled programs and he's going to link one of them to the new libpthreads (remember, while recompiling nohting) |
| 16:20.02 | bobthemilkman | I'm trying to compile a certain program using OpenMPI and ifort. It crashes when I attempt to use more than one processor on MPI. I believe the problem is a disagreement between the gcc pthreads on the system and ifort, despite what intel says about library intercompatibility. |
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| 16:20.48 | bobthemilkman | stew: No. I want to build one executable and link it to a non-standard libpthreads. |
| 16:20.50 | stew | tensorpudding: and when he's finished the system should be exactly the same as before he started |
| 16:21.23 | stew | bobthemilkman: so what is the problem then? |
| 16:21.35 | bobthemilkman | I can't find the source for libpthreads! |
| 16:21.40 | bobthemilkman | And google is useless! |
| 16:21.40 | tensorpudding | why do you need to recompile libc6? |
| 16:21.51 | psiklops | hi. I have a Epson Stylus D68 Printer. The Color-Cartriges are empty, but since i only print in Black and White, what can i do to get it working? |
| 16:21.57 | stew | bobthemilkman: its in the glibc or eglibc package dependon in stable or non-stable |
| 16:22.01 | psiklops | with cups |
| 16:22.16 | finetic | I need help setting up VPN; question 1: which would be recommendable to install on a linux system? I want to have the same effect as I have as with the current VPN server I connect to .. that its added as second interface as when I do 'ifconfig' and that it looks i connect from that ip whatever application i use |
| 16:22.17 | stew | bobthemilkman: its in glibc in stable and eglibc in testing/unstable |
| 16:22.28 | bobthemilkman | If it's a part of glibc, then I know that intel won't compile it :( |
| 16:22.34 | bobthemilkman | Anyway, I'll check eglibc. |
| 16:22.41 | stew | bobthemilkman: eglibc is glibc |
| 16:22.47 | bobthemilkman | Grrrr |
| 16:22.52 | tensorpudding | intel being intel's C compiler? |
| 16:22.54 | bobthemilkman | Maybe the other libraries will work. |
| 16:22.54 | stew | its a fork that's more free |
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| 16:23.06 | bobthemilkman | intel's intel/fortran compilers, yeah. |
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| 16:24.30 | tensorpudding | is glibc not able to be compiled with Intel's compiler? |
| 16:24.33 | bobthemilkman | Actually, I think the error might be related to -libibverbs, now that I look more closely. |
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| 16:24.37 | bobthemilkman | tensorpudding: That's what I read on the internet. |
| 16:24.52 | bobthemilkman | But if that's the problem, then it would mean that intel is completely incompatible with MPI, which I am sure is not correct. |
| 16:26.02 | bobthemilkman | Oh well, if it's a part of glibc, I can find it from GNU somewhere. |
| 16:26.07 | tensorpudding | I vaguely recall reading that clang isn't able to compile glibc. |
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| 16:26.45 | bobthemilkman | According to the Gentoo icc wiki entry, icc fails on many critical components, notably glibc, sed, and a few others. |
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| 16:31.27 | tensorpudding | this isn't that surprising though, since those components were written for GCC |
| 16:32.19 | bobthemilkman | That was what I thought. I figured FSF didn't care too much about making the core components of their OS compatible with other compilers |
| 16:32.32 | stew | oh, i mispoke. eglibc isn't a fork because of freedom, its a fork because there are a bunch of patches related to running embedded that upstream won't accept |
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| 16:32.36 | adamska | do you know a way to delete all thing related to X, X driver, xserver Xorg? |
| 16:32.51 | stew | adamska: aptitude remove x11-common |
| 16:33.03 | stew | adamska: it will probably be more than you bargained for though |
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| 16:38.13 | adamska | stew, and how to delete all thing related to graphics driver? |
| 16:38.31 | adamska | or may be a way to locate which are installed? |
| 16:38.38 | itchi | Hi my /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start|stop|status config file doesn't work on squeeze. Somone with similar issue? |
| 16:38.47 | stew | adamska: graphics drivers for X ? |
| 16:38.50 | adamska | itchi, what is the error? |
| 16:38.55 | stew | adamska: and why do you want to do this? |
| 16:39.00 | meal | itchi: what do you mean by 'doesn't work' ? |
| 16:39.08 | adamska | stew, an upgrade totally destroy my distro |
| 16:39.13 | itchi | adamska: there's no error at all, it just doens't do his job |
| 16:39.17 | stew | adamska: upgrade from what to what? |
| 16:39.28 | finetic | I need help setting up VPN; question 1: which would be recommendable to install on a linux system? I want to have the same effect as I have as with the current VPN server I connect to .. that its added as second interface as when I do 'ifconfig' and that it looks i connect from that ip whatever application i use |
| 16:39.31 | stew | adamska: and why do you think that removing X will help? |
| 16:39.38 | adamska | stew, i am on squeeze, i upgraded all package |
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| 16:40.03 | stew | adamska: what makes you think it is totally destroyed? |
| 16:40.05 | itchi | i change the config /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and restart the service and it doens't restart the service, even when i stop the pid stay hanging |
| 16:40.18 | adamska | stew, the boot process is ok, then it switched to grey screen, and never prompt me the X login prompted |
| 16:40.31 | stew | adamska: and you no longer want to use X ? |
| 16:40.35 | itchi | finetic: openvpn rocks and is the way to go probably |
| 16:41.26 | adamska | stew, i will reinstall it from scratch, i try to remove a lot on thing and move a lot of thing from single but nothing works |
| 16:41.39 | finetic | itchi: you ever used this ? set this up i mean the server? |
| 16:41.57 | itchi | finetic: yeah, i'm running a dhcp 3 server |
| 16:42.14 | stew | adamska: why bother removing stuff then? |
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| 16:42.26 | finetic | itchi: can i send a small pm? |
| 16:42.33 | adamska | itchi, did you defined an interface for the dhcpd server? |
| 16:42.44 | itchi | but for some reason the dhcp 3 server won't restart, and if i kill the pid it won't restart, seems that the /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server is broken here on squeeze |
| 16:42.58 | itchi | finetic: ok |
| 16:43.01 | itchi | adamska: checking |
| 16:43.09 | stew | adamska: try moving your xorg.conf away so you no longer have an xorg.conf, and see if things are better. |
| 16:43.12 | adamska | itchi, i install it few hours ago on squeze and it works |
| 16:43.44 | adamska | stew, i tried it from single user mode.... but a thing continue to goes wrong |
| 16:43.45 | itchi | adamska: When i boot up it's ok, but can't restart stop the service |
| 16:44.29 | stew | adamska: tried what from single user mode? |
| 16:44.36 | adamska | stew, in fact now the same problem continue, it boots and locked on an ugly grey screen |
| 16:44.53 | adamska | stew, mv the xorg.conf |
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| 16:45.35 | stew | adamska: locked? |
| 16:45.39 | adamska | stew, i think it is related to driver |
| 16:45.59 | adamska | stew, the linux boot, swap to a grey screen and no more... |
| 16:46.10 | stew | no more what? |
| 16:46.36 | adamska | stew, nothing on screen just this grey screen |
| 16:46.55 | adamska | stew, i have access on this box via ssh |
| 16:47.15 | itchi | adamska: I didn't find a line defining the interface |
| 16:48.03 | adamska | itchi, /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
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| 16:48.34 | itchi | adamska: Right! got it, yeah it is defined |
| 16:50.35 | mmestnik | Where is dpkg? He had some URL as to some replacements for webmin. |
| 16:51.21 | stew | mmestnik: on vacation, try http://ircbots.debian.net |
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| 16:57.08 | bartzy_ | Hi |
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| 16:57.20 | bartzy_ | I read about load average here: http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages |
| 16:57.42 | bartzy_ | and I still didn't understand fully what that number means. load average of what ? processes that are currently running in the CPU? only 1 process can run |
| 16:58.14 | bartzy_ | why there are many "cars" (processes) in the "lane" and it's considered to be load avg of 1.0 ? only 1 "car" can use the lane at a given time. |
| 16:58.19 | bzrk | bartzy_: its how many processes want to run |
| 16:58.37 | bartzy_ | so 1.0 means ? 1 process on a single cpu ? |
| 16:58.44 | itchi | If i just run "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server" it should give an error and say me how to use it? |
| 16:58.53 | bzrk | no it means one process wants to run, no matter how many cpus |
| 16:59.26 | stew | bartzy_: there is a scheduler that decides which process gets to run on the cpu. the load is the number of processes which could it has to choose from at the time |
| 16:59.53 | stew | bartzy_: however, its more complicated in that processes which CANNOT run because their are waiting for io to complete are also included |
| 16:59.59 | bartzy_ | so what's 0.65 ? 0.65 processes want to run ? |
| 17:00.11 | stew | bartzy_: yes, on average |
| 17:00.17 | bartzy_ | oh |
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| 17:00.54 | bartzy_ | so it means that in the past minute/5 min/15 min, 0.65 process want to run, and if I have a single CPU, that means I have 0.35 "breathing space" before things will get slower ? |
| 17:01.35 | bzrk | bartzy_: load cannot be simplified like that, it has lots of factors. read up on it if you are really interested in it |
| 17:01.44 | itchi | stew: i think i hit a bug with dhcpd 3 on squeeze, found out how to fix it but editing the /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server file. test -f /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 || exit 0 it's about "dhcpd" here, dhcpd3 isn't there |
| 17:01.47 | stew | sort of. that's what it would mean if this load were being calculated only from runnable processes. but its also being counted from processes blocked from io |
| 17:02.21 | stew | and zombie processes? |
| 17:02.34 | jhutchins_lt | itchi: I doubt you'd get enough information to configure it correctly. See http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DHCP/ |
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| 17:02.35 | itchi | now /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop|start| status works :) |
| 17:02.38 | bartzy_ | stew: So the load average can also state if I have a lot of IO problems because processes wait for IO too long and the load average is high in the past minute, but cpu usage percentage is low ? |
| 17:03.02 | itchi | jhutchins_lt: nah, it's an old config, back of lenny, or even etch |
| 17:03.29 | itchi | jhutchins_lt: it's the init script that has a glitch, not the knowledges of the server... |
| 17:03.36 | stew | bartzy_: yes, load average can be high when cpu average is low when lots of processes are waiting for a chance to use the same hard disk, for instance |
| 17:04.16 | itchi | bah don't care about your stupid remarks, stay with your fucking bugs it's your issue then, i know how i have fixed, that's it ... |
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| 17:04.45 | bartzy_ | stew: OK, but in general if I have 4 cores in my server and the load average is always above 4.00, it means I should handle that in some way right ? |
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| 17:08.18 | shadow98 | csync2 -xv |
| 17:08.19 | shadow98 | Connecting to host gamesweb01 (SSL) ... |
| 17:08.19 | shadow98 | Establishing SSL connection failed. |
| 17:08.41 | stew | bartzy_: if your load is always over 4, its certainly worth investigating what is contributing |
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| 17:08.58 | shadow98 | it works non-ssl...btw...but if i try it with ssl it doesn't...i created the SSL certificates i copied them to the other server but still nothing |
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| 17:09.33 | jhutchins_lt | itchi: The debian init scripts in etch, etch-n-half, and lenny seem to work fine here. |
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| 17:09.43 | jhutchins_lt | itchi: (For dhcpd) |
| 17:10.00 | itchi | jhutchins_lt: i found some bug about it #547653 |
| 17:11.05 | itchi | jhutchins_lt: I think it's the concecuence of the mentionned bug |
| 17:11.08 | stew | itchi: dhcp3-server in squeeze does have /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 |
| 17:11.27 | itchi | stew: yeah, there's an issue here on my system then |
| 17:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | hands itchi a fresh packet of "q"s. |
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| 17:12.33 | stew | itchi: what does your problem have to do with isc-dhcp-client? |
| 17:14.06 | itchi | stew: that package contains /usr/sbin/dhcpd |
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| 17:14.35 | stew | itchi: no, it doesn't |
| 17:14.49 | itchi | ow, it's about isc-dhcp-server |
| 17:14.59 | itchi | didn't saw you wrote client |
| 17:15.13 | stew | itchi: that's the pacakge that the bug you are pointing to is referring to |
| 17:15.31 | stew | itchi: what does isc-dhcp-server have to do with /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server ? |
| 17:15.36 | itchi | stew: ah ok, yeah, i'm browsing into the bugs and check related stuff |
| 17:16.11 | stew | itchi: isc-dhcp-server provides /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server not /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server. |
| 17:16.28 | stew | itchi: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server comes from the dhcp3-server package which DOES include /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 |
| 17:16.29 | itchi | stew: Dunno, the only thing i know is that it contains /usr/sbin/dhcpd ans i was looking after /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 |
| 17:16.52 | stew | itchi: because you are looking at an init script from a different package |
| 17:16.56 | itchi | yeah sorry, didn't explain it correctly at first |
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| 17:18.02 | stew | itchi: so the thing you found wasnt a bug, right. you were just looking in the wrong script. but now that you see the right script, everything is fine? |
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| 17:19.32 | itchi | stew: no no, there's a little issue with /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server which inside a test condition test presence of /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 which i doesn't have. But i admit, i'm maybe looking into the wrong location :) |
| 17:20.02 | stew | itchi: it does have /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 |
| 17:20.08 | itchi | stew: at least it's maybe only specific to my system somehow, but i got an issue with it anyway |
| 17:20.18 | stew | judd: file usr/sbin/dhcpd3 --release squeeze |
| 17:20.23 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:20.26 | stew | bah |
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| 17:21.00 | itchi | i only have /usr/sbin/dhcpd here on this system |
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| 17:21.54 | stew | itchi: oh, isee isc-dhcp-server replaces dhcp3-server |
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| 17:22.16 | itchi | stew: aha :) looks im not so lost at all :P |
| 17:22.20 | stew | itchi: so not only does dhcp3-server not provide /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 it doesn't provide /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server either |
| 17:23.01 | stew | itchi: you are looking at the wrong init script still. /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server is a leftover conffile from an old version, you should be looking at /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server instead |
| 17:23.11 | itchi | and in it it "test" the wrong file, and like it isn't present .... well /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server just doesn't work here |
| 17:23.23 | stew | itchi: its not supposed to work |
| 17:23.45 | stew | itchi: you want /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server not /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server |
| 17:24.06 | stew | itchi: this isn't a bug in the dhcp3-server, since the dhcp3-server package doesn't provide a file named /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server anymore |
| 17:24.28 | itchi | yeah, they changed up all this stuff and now it's a big mess lol |
| 17:24.37 | stew | itchi: what is a mess about it? |
| 17:24.48 | itchi | well, i should first revert my changes :P |
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| 17:24.58 | stew | itchi: what changes? |
| 17:25.14 | itchi | stew: don't worry, hold on 3 mins :P |
| 17:25.49 | stew | itchi: if you mean your changes to /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server then no, it doesn't matter. since that is a conffile for a package you no longer have installed and won't have installed in the future |
| 17:26.22 | itchi | stew: right |
| 17:27.12 | itchi | stew: heh, now it's working ok, if i run the right init script lol |
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| 17:27.41 | itchi | stew: just sad that such change passed without i saw |
| 17:28.25 | itchi | kinda hard to follow when they sudenly decide to change stuff haha |
| 17:30.02 | itchi | well, at least the package name is well correct now, ics.. |
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| 17:33.03 | itchi | stew: Is there a cool way to find out all new dummy packages? |
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| 17:35.12 | itchi | stew: So i'm supposed to remove dhcp3-server? If i do that it will remove isc-dhcp-server |
| 17:35.57 | itchi | stew: In dhcp3-server package description there is noted: This dummy package may be safely removed after upgrading to squeeze |
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| 17:40.07 | bruteforce_allti | suppose in a terminal I am at folder /home/xcy/as/ee. Can I open the folder "ee" in gui using terminal command? |
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| 17:41.48 | Xanbreon | depends on your file manager, $ thunar /path/you/want/to/open works |
| 17:42.23 | Xanbreon | or just running thunar will open a file manager window in the location you are at in the cli |
| 17:43.19 | ZinovaS | what partition should be bootable? root ar boot ? |
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| 17:43.54 | bruteforce_allti | Xanbreon: hmm I have to install thunar explicitly.. right? |
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| 17:44.24 | dkr | ZinovaS: the latter |
| 17:44.33 | ZinovaS | thanks |
| 17:44.38 | Xanbreon | bruteforce_allti: I was just using thunar as an example, its the FM for xfce, might work with other FM, I just dont know |
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| 17:51.03 | bruteforce_allti | Xanbreon: Thanks for the keyword File Manager. "xdg-open ./" worked for me :) |
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| 18:34.29 | scoobertron | Im having some difficulties with my last dist-upgrade, specifically libisc52 |
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| 18:34.32 | scoobertron | the last bit of my terminal output is here tom@laptop:~$ sudo apt-get clearn |
| 18:34.32 | scoobertron | E: Invalid operation clearn |
| 18:34.32 | scoobertron | tom@laptop:~$ sudo apt-get clean |
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| 18:34.53 | porton | Flash sound in Iceweasel works OK, but when I click a link I hear no click sound. Why? |
| 18:35.09 | scoobertron | oh, sorry. Here -> http://pastebin.com/cw4UuweJ |
| 18:35.21 | dkr | porton: did you ever? |
| 18:35.25 | nvz | porton: I've never heard a click sound.. thankfully |
| 18:35.34 | porton | As far as I remember, never |
| 18:35.47 | dkr | why do you think you should? |
| 18:35.50 | nvz | hates sound events |
| 18:35.51 | porton | nvz: In IE it clicks |
| 18:35.59 | nvz | porton: cause IE sucks |
| 18:36.20 | porton | Indeed I want click sound |
| 18:36.37 | nvz | they spend time writing stupid features like a click sound effect instead of not writing huge gaping security holes |
| 18:36.46 | dkr | maybe it is a configurable option in flash settings?. never messed with it myself |
| 18:36.59 | porton | dkr: It is not related with Flash |
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| 18:38.52 | dkr | ah, thoght you were talking about clicking links in flash |
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| 18:39.34 | porton | I found: http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/add-and-make-firefox-plays-click-navigation-sound-and-audio-feedback-like-ie/ |
| 18:39.39 | dkr | maybe there is a firefox add-on for that feature |
| 18:40.24 | dkr | well there you go |
| 18:40.46 | nvz | peper: what you want seems to be addressed with addon 1030 |
| 18:40.50 | nvz | oops |
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| 18:41.42 | nvz | I hate when people act like software not doing what windows does is a bug |
| 18:41.49 | nvz | instead of just asking how to do what they want |
| 18:41.52 | jhutchins_lt | mplayerpluggin |
| 18:42.14 | jelly-hme | nvz: breaking users' expectations _is_ a bug in the user interface |
| 18:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | Not if the users expect it to have no differences from windows. |
| 18:43.02 | nvz | agreed jhutchins_lt |
| 18:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | If it lacks expected capabilities, then yes, but linux is BETTER than windows, so it's DIFFERENT. |
| 18:43.27 | nvz | and them pulling that crap in here is a bug in their ability to get quick quality support |
| 18:43.56 | nvz | leading people chasing after a reason why something isn't working that isn't suppose to be working in the first place |
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| 18:44.24 | nvz | currently I'm annoyed with gnome-panel randomly crashing on click |
| 18:44.54 | nvz | usually it starts back up, not this time. Doing all the pending updates to see if anything changes. |
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| 18:45.44 | nvz | Its hard to diagnose problems like this that aren't consistent |
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| 18:46.21 | nvz | I'd have a hell of a trace waiting for it to randomly die when I click on it.. |
| 18:46.25 | lolcat | How would I setup VPS'es on a debian server |
| 18:46.28 | lolcat | ? |
| 18:47.04 | nvz | lolcat: you mean with apache? |
| 18:48.14 | nvz | lolcat: do you have direct access to this machine, i.e. can put stuff into it and reinstall the OS? |
| 18:48.49 | nvz | having remote access only you really only have the ability to make virtual domains and use apache afaik |
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| 18:49.12 | nvz | to make a real VPS you'd need to use xen or something, and you probably can't do that without reinstalling |
| 18:49.22 | nvz | or at least being able to if you screw up |
| 18:51.16 | nvz | bah.. looks like I'm stracing.. its fairly consistently crashing now.. and all upgrades were applied |
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| 18:55.03 | nvz | hmm.. well its SEGSEGV on fd 3, but since the fd was already open when I attached strace I have no idea what resouce that was |
| 18:55.29 | lolcat | nvz: So that I can give acces to a friend, to a VPS with limited resources but still full access like root an such that doesnt interfear with my computing |
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| 18:55.38 | nvz | I guess I either gotta start X and gnome-panel manually with an strace attached from the beginning or somehow deduce from the /proc/ fs what the fds are before it dies |
| 18:55.57 | jelly-hme | nvz: or lsof |
| 18:56.19 | nvz | jelly-hme: how do I do that? |
| 18:56.43 | jelly-hme | nvz: lsof -np PID |
| 18:56.56 | nvz | this IS lenny and I just did a full update && upgrade and logged in again, gnome-panel is still dying |
| 18:57.18 | Pendragon_lunch_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.46 | Pendragon_lunch_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.47 | nvz | I would think its entirely a local config problem. if it werent for the fact I seen this same thing happening on ubuntu systems recently.. but that still doesnt explain how it worked its way into Debian STABLE.. heh |
| 18:58.01 | nvz | jelly-hme: I'll try that, I didn't know lsof could do that |
| 18:59.04 | nvz | since its kinda random, just making a new user won't tell me a whole lot |
| 18:59.16 | nvz | cause there are times it just works, and times it dies as soon as you click on it |
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| 19:02.10 | nvz | Pendragon_lunch_: I was going to suggest that as well, but you then have to know how to limit resources which depending on which resources he wants to limit, I'm not all to sure how to do that. Hence why I didn't suggest it |
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| 19:02.40 | nvz | I could probably handle disk space, the rest I'm not real certain about |
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| 19:05.04 | Pendragon | . |
| 19:05.13 | Pendragon | darn screen name won't change |
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| 19:07.25 | zok | I'm trying to use apt-get to install a perl module but it says the package doesn't exist. Is there a repo I need to enable for cpan modules? |
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| 19:07.55 | petemc | zok: what name is the package you're trying to install? |
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| 19:08.14 | zok | POE::Component::WWW::Google::Calculator |
| 19:08.28 | zok | I tried looking for libpoe-component-www-google-calculator-perl |
| 19:08.34 | zok | But it doesn't seem to exist |
| 19:09.00 | greycat | it's probably not packaged |
| 19:09.15 | zok | boo :( |
| 19:09.28 | petemc | libwww-google-calculator-perl ? |
| 19:09.33 | petemc | that package exists |
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| 19:10.54 | zok | I've got it, but it doesn't work |
| 19:10.59 | zok | I keep getting empty results |
| 19:11.01 | zok | It USED t owork |
| 19:11.05 | lolcat | nvz: xen? is that free? |
| 19:11.09 | zok | I assumed google changed something on their end though |
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| 19:11.22 | nvz | lolcat: yes, its a hypervisor that exists between the OS and the hardware |
| 19:11.41 | lolcat | nvz: So then all my OS'es would be VPS'es? |
| 19:11.50 | nvz | lolcat: essentially, yes |
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| 19:13.02 | lolcat | nvz: I am sorry I ask so much, but is the preformance a lot worse? And will I be ok with 4GB ram and a quad core i5 to virtualize a backup vps, a torrent vps and a relativly unsecure ftp vps? |
| 19:13.03 | nvz | wow, this gnome-panel is being a B*$%! and lsof -np doesn't seem to give me anything I can corrolate to strace so looks like I gotta try and just start gnome-panel with strace so I can see what file descriptors its giving out |
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| 19:13.44 | simonrvn | attach strace to the already-running panel |
| 19:14.04 | fbh | lolcat: Those specs should easily be able to run 3 VE's |
| 19:14.13 | nvz | lolcat: I've never tried it.. had no need to. I would just jail the stuff and run it all on the same. However trying to manage resources between different services is why they invented things like xen |
| 19:14.52 | nvz | simonrvn: I did that, and it died with a SIGSEGV reading fd,3 and says resource unavailable.. but I have no idea what fd,3 was at that point in time cause the process is gone now and the strace was attached after the open() call |
| 19:15.23 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm trying to get enough detail about why its randomly crashing to actually fix it.. heh |
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| 19:15.39 | fbh | imo OpenVZ is easier for virtualization and can manage the resources, but no matter which virtualization platform one chooses there will be some learning to do |
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| 19:17.43 | nvz | as I recall, resource management existed before a lot of these virtualization platforms were popular.. but I don't know much about that stuff in general. I've never worked with it. The last server I built only runs a website and has WAY more than enough resources for it |
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| 19:18.57 | asarch | How can I turn on the wireless antenna in a HP Pavilion dv5-2034la? |
| 19:19.24 | lolcat | nvz: I am just building a NAS but it looks like I am about to spend more than I need, so to have a bunch of VPSes on a safe os makes sence to me... |
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| 19:24.16 | cahoot | asarch: just a general observation, the pciid of the device in question is of more interest than the brandname/model of the computer. lspci -nn|grep -i net might give you the pciid |
| 19:24.29 | asarch | Ok |
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| 19:25.54 | asarch | Here is the lscpi: |
| 19:25.55 | asarch | http://asarch.pastebin.com/5Ts0cPAU |
| 19:26.09 | Jellyworm | hi there |
| 19:26.47 | cahoot | asarch: lspci -nn|grep -i net might give you the pciid |
| 19:27.10 | thewanderer1 | did I hear someone discussing virtualization? :P |
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| 19:27.39 | cahoot | asarch: the pciid is in the form xxxx:xxxx |
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| 19:28.25 | cahoot | asarch: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 19:29.34 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: I find that with OpenVZ, my Core i3 with 4GB DDR3 is enough to handle quite a few VPS. Heck, I could do that on Atom 330, 2GB! |
| 19:30.59 | lolcat | thewanderer1: How many? My VPS that I pay $20 for, has 256 mb ram. I guess I dont need that much ram. But 4gb is cheap, 8 is a bit expencive |
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| 19:31.18 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: on Atom I had 4 or 5 regularly |
| 19:31.34 | fbh | I have an i7 (2.67) quad with 12G ram and I run 15 VM's without any issues. |
| 19:31.38 | thewanderer1 | now I cut down on it because I'm trying to migrate to LXC from OpenVZ and strange stuff is happening on the system |
| 19:31.52 | thewanderer1 | fbh: KVM? |
| 19:31.57 | fbh | OpenVZ |
| 19:32.01 | thewanderer1 | ah, that would be it |
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| 19:32.36 | fbh | Whenever I need to mess around with something I just build a new VM to test it in :P |
| 19:32.37 | thewanderer1 | runs 20 containers on 8GB, dual Xeon quad-core |
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| 19:33.05 | thewanderer1 | then OpenVZ is optimal for most deamons, but alas, no good for NFS NAS |
| 19:33.09 | gandhijee | hey guys, how do i let debian know that my system clock is set for localtime and not UTC? |
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| 19:33.53 | greycat | gandhijee: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:33.56 | cahoot | gandhijee: in /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:33.57 | gandhijee | thanks |
| 19:33.59 | cahoot | sorry |
| 19:34.03 | asarch | 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3090] |
| 19:34.04 | lolcat | fbh: Is OpenVZ bether than xen? |
| 19:34.07 | fbh | I don't do virtualization on my NAS, I can only get 1 IP at home from my ISP and I like each VM to have its own IP |
| 19:34.33 | nvz | when I hear NAS I still think Network Audio, not Storage.. |
| 19:34.33 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: OpenVZ is *different* from Xen. it is often more optimal, but with *some* limitations |
| 19:34.35 | fbh | lolcat: Not better not worse.. It depends on what you like I think. OpenVZ does OS level virtualization |
| 19:34.40 | cahoot | asarch: no study this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:34.48 | cahoot | s/no/now/ |
| 19:34.51 | fbh | lolcat: With OpenVZ the kernel is shared with all the VE's |
| 19:35.07 | lolcat | fbh: So I cant run windows in OpenVZ? |
| 19:35.12 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: exactly |
| 19:35.12 | fbh | No |
| 19:35.19 | fbh | But who wants that anyway :P |
| 19:35.23 | lolcat | Not me |
| 19:35.25 | thewanderer1 | well, I had to |
| 19:35.32 | fbh | Had to? how so? |
| 19:35.33 | lolcat | But I'd like the option to do so! |
| 19:35.41 | thewanderer1 | I'm running a mixed OpenVZ/KVM environment on i7 - organizational reasons :( |
| 19:36.17 | thewanderer1 | these two play together really well - Proxmox VE is a distro based on Debian, too (actually Debian + custom repo) that makes things simple |
| 19:36.18 | fbh | Oh, yeah. At work I am forced to use windows too atm.. Although at dec 1st I'm in a new position in s windows free zone of the company :P |
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| 19:37.31 | thewanderer1 | besides the broken IPv6 netfilter in OpenVZ and dependency on IA32_EMULATION, everything's fine |
| 19:38.03 | nvz | Last time I got roped into using windows was getting an itouch and failing to jailbreak it 3 times.. heh. iTunes crashes when ppluggin in the touch in a emulator |
| 19:38.28 | fbh | ipod touch? |
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| 19:39.17 | nvz | yeah |
| 19:39.48 | nvz | the older ipods work fine in linux.. the touch needs to be jailbroken and have the DB reverted to work with anything like gtkpod or such |
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| 19:41.08 | fbh | Damn the local debian mirror is slow atm :( |
| 19:41.16 | nvz | I have this ezshare program I can transfer stuff to it wirelessly.. but it doesn't work so good for music cause the ezshare can't write the itunes db |
| 19:41.54 | nvz | its fine for playing videos, and it can even export photos to the itouch's photo app.. but music it can only play internally and it doesn't support playlist or anything.. have to play one song at a time manually that way |
| 19:42.27 | nvz | its also nice to use it as a portable handheld SMB/HTTP server |
| 19:42.46 | nvz | and the VNC/RDP support in ezshare is pretty slick too |
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| 19:43.06 | fbh | I don't know it |
| 19:43.21 | fbh | I use a Mac as my workstation so I have no problems with iTUnes |
| 19:43.25 | gandhijee | also is there a way to not use the /etc/adjtime file? |
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| 19:43.56 | nvz | I haven't had a mac in ages.. and I sold the one I did have soon after getting it.. was an ancient powerbook with like 30mb HDD in it |
| 19:44.18 | nvz | I'd like to get a new mac laptop, but they're too damn expensive |
| 19:44.20 | lolcat | I am a bit confused, is xen a package I install in debian, or a OS I install before debian? |
| 19:45.00 | nvz | lolcat: its a little of both. the kernel needs to support the hypervisor |
| 19:45.09 | BuggerMe | I am trying to reconfigure debconf from the commandline/script. if I run "dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=Dialog --priority=medium debconf" from the command line it shows the GUI. I have also run "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog". But this doesn't seem to have worked for me. Any comments would be helpful. |
| 19:46.33 | nvz | hmm.. xen.org says it supports windows.. I didn't know that. Probably only newer server versions though I imagine.. |
| 19:47.13 | fbh | there are 2 versions of xen |
| 19:47.15 | lolcat | nvz: So I can't install OS'es that doesnt support xen? |
| 19:47.22 | fbh | One of them you can install whatever you want inside as it does hardware virtualization |
| 19:47.38 | lolcat | I think hardware virutalization is good |
| 19:47.45 | lolcat | If the ram is burstable |
| 19:47.54 | nvz | lolcat: right. xen as I understand it is a virtualization solution that sits below the kernel, thus the kernel must be properly configured to support it |
| 19:48.10 | nvz | lolcat: there are other solutions that run on top of the kernel as people were talking about in here earlier |
| 19:49.45 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: there's no "burstable ram" - this is just marketing hype. besides, maximum/guaranteed RAM only applies to OpenVZ at the moment |
| 19:49.59 | thewanderer1 | I can not recommend Linux Containers at the moment, too buggy |
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| 19:50.53 | lolcat | thewanderer1: I mean, could I assigne each three a minimum of 256 mb ram, and that they share the remaingin 3,265gb? |
| 19:50.53 | thewanderer1 | nvz, lolcat: Xen, when running in HVM mode, just uses QEMU to start and control virtual machines and VNC/qemu console to display their contents to the host system |
| 19:51.02 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone :) |
| 19:51.09 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: in Xen/KVM, by no means is this possible |
| 19:51.18 | thewanderer1 | in OpenVZ yes |
| 19:51.29 | lolcat | OpenVZ is hardware virtualization? |
| 19:51.33 | fbh | No |
| 19:51.37 | fbh | OpenVZ is OS virtualization |
| 19:51.42 | thewanderer1 | isolation |
| 19:52.15 | nvz | lolcat: in theory with something like openmosix you could share memory |
| 19:52.36 | nvz | by no means have I tried clustering virtual machines on the same physical machine.. lo |
| 19:53.02 | nvz | I think it would be more effecient to find a virtualization framework designed to do that from the ground up |
| 19:53.10 | thewanderer1 | KVM now has bubble memory - dynamic assignment, but when one shrinks it and the guest is unprepared, Interesting Things Happen |
| 19:53.40 | nvz | haha. "interesting things" |
| 19:53.54 | lolcat | Cant it just put swap inside the ramdisk? |
| 19:54.37 | thewanderer1 | let Schrodinger's cat open the box from outside, shall it? |
| 19:54.39 | nvz | what would be the point of having swap if it resided in ram |
| 19:54.55 | cusco | in that case just set thw swapinness |
| 19:55.29 | nvz | if you have enough ram to waste on swap, you don't need swap. :-P |
| 19:55.52 | nvz | though I would also say, if you don't need swap, then you need swap. |
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| 19:57.16 | nvz | Windows introduced that ReadyBoost feature.. using UMBs 256MB-4gb as essentially swap |
| 19:57.30 | lolcat | nvz: I think my VPS does that. If they have spare ram, my swap is on a ramdisk. But I am not sure |
| 19:57.32 | thewanderer1 | we have SSD's now, move on :P |
| 19:57.44 | nvz | which I'm sure in some cases does improve system performance, but in other cases would probably be much slower than swapping to the main fixed disk |
| 19:57.48 | thewanderer1 | lolcat: OpenVZ doesn't currently support swap I think... |
| 19:58.04 | thewanderer1 | read up on OpenVZ/Xen/KVM guys - surprisingly, the Linux-Vserver website has a better explanation of container concept than OpenVZ. google that, and I'm off for now |
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| 19:58.14 | thewanderer1 | plus OpenVZ has an exhaustive wiki |
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| 20:00.50 | ZinovaS | i have one 2TB drive and two 1TB drives, i want do something like RAID10, does mdadm has some option for that or I shloud make RAID0 from 1TB drives and than make RAID1 from 2TB drive and that RAID0 ? |
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| 20:05.24 | nvz | ZinovaS: you're achieving the same result as a 3x2gb RAID5 to me, and it sounds like the way to do it |
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| 20:06.33 | nvz | erm well a 3x1gb raid5 I mean, |
| 20:06.41 | nvz | which would be 2gb |
| 20:07.05 | ZinovaS | nvz, as i know RAID5 does more calculations |
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| 20:08.11 | nvz | ZinovaS: in order to provide the ability to store that same 2TB with the same drive loss tolerance you would have doing it that way |
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| 20:09.40 | ZinovaS | in RAID5 two drive fail means lost data, in my psiaudo RAID10 two saller drives fail and data still availible ;) |
| 20:10.20 | ZinovaS | so is that something bad if I make RAID0 and than use it in RAID1 as one of disks? |
| 20:10.58 | nvz | bad like your spelling of pseudo? hah |
| 20:11.14 | ZinovaS | :) |
| 20:11.27 | ZinovaS | sorry, english isn't my native language |
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| 20:12.11 | nvz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 20:12.19 | nvz | ZinovaS: see the nested/hybrid raid info |
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| 20:15.31 | fbh | lolcat: Thought about what you want to go with? |
| 20:15.50 | fbh | lolcat: I've just set up a server to run OpenVZ in ~15 minutes |
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| 20:17.47 | lolcat | fbh: I am uncertain. And I have to buy the hardware. It seams I will need hardware raid... |
| 20:18.20 | fbh | You can do a software raid |
| 20:18.24 | ZinovaS | nvz, ok, i name it RAID 1 0/2 (RAID one and half of zero) |
| 20:18.26 | ZinovaS | :D |
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| 20:18.53 | nvz | ZinovaS: just don't cry to me when your data comes up with a div by zero error |
| 20:19.24 | lolcat | fbh: I meant softwar raid. The mobo doesnt support it. |
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| 20:20.45 | ZinovaS | ok nvz, will do RAID1 from 3 drives.. thanks |
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| 20:22.49 | fbh | Software raid is pretty straight forward |
| 20:22.58 | nvz | I haven't had enough experience playing with RAID or LVM to trust em. |
| 20:23.31 | fbh | I have 8x2 TB in a soft raid5 |
| 20:23.34 | nvz | I've recovered data from single drives so many times I trust what I know until I've seen other peoples shit hit the fan a few times on RAID |
| 20:23.36 | fbh | works fine |
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| 20:24.22 | lolcat | If I get 4 2TB disks |
| 20:24.25 | nvz | I just feel with my knowledge on the subject, for my own data, I'm safer without RAID because I probably wouldnt know how to fix it if it got ugly |
| 20:24.26 | lolcat | Or maybe 3 |
| 20:24.54 | fbh | Then you will have 4 TB of available disk, as RAID5 is N01 |
| 20:24.56 | fbh | N+1 |
| 20:25.03 | fbh | er.. N-1 ofc |
| 20:25.07 | ZinovaS | thats why i use RAID1 :) |
| 20:25.39 | lolcat | I am using this for backup, raid 5 is the way to go? |
| 20:25.56 | fbh | If you're using it for backup you have the data two places so raid5 should do just fine |
| 20:26.00 | lolcat | I just found cheap Seagate Barracuda 5900 rpm 2TB |
| 20:27.39 | fbh | You mean 5400? |
| 20:28.04 | fbh | No, they actually have 5900's sorry |
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| 20:29.40 | lolcat | fbh: Actually the Western Digital Caviar Green is 7400rpm and cheaper |
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| 20:30.38 | SparFux | How to install those packages, which aren't there? Is there some special 32bit mechanism? -> ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl |
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| 20:33.22 | fbh | I use Samsung disks for the storage and the OS runs from a USB stick |
| 20:33.30 | qq- | SparFux, see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ia32-libs&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 20:34.14 | SparFux | qq-: aha, so I need testing or pin it? |
| 20:34.33 | qq- | no , same for stable |
| 20:35.21 | lolcat | fbh: Why not from onboard the raid? |
| 20:35.24 | SparFux | qq-: and I use sid :-) |
| 20:35.44 | fbh | lolcat: The disks are connected to a SATA controller, but the operationg system I run from a USB stick |
| 20:35.55 | lolcat | fbh: Why? |
| 20:35.55 | qq- | SparFux, then same for sid |
| 20:36.13 | SparFux | qq-: but the ia32-libs-kde for example. where is it? |
| 20:36.56 | fbh | lolcat: I can use my disks for my storage only , no OS on them. But I don't run VE's from my NAS. My NAS is just a NAS running debian and netatalk |
| 20:36.57 | qq- | SparFux, maybe inside ia32-libs |
| 20:37.32 | SparFux | aha, so there's not more libs than in ia32-libs? |
| 20:37.39 | SparFux | I am missing the libz.so.1 |
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| 20:37.59 | qq- | !apt-file |
| 20:37.59 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 20:38.42 | SparFux | ok ok |
| 20:38.44 | qq- | SparFux, zlib1g: /usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 20:39.09 | SparFux | is that the 32 bit version? |
| 20:39.17 | qq- | lib64z1: /usr/lib64/libz.so.1 |
| 20:39.39 | qq- | SparFux, use apt-file |
| 20:40.16 | SparFux | apt-file search *libz* finds nothing, though I did apt-file update. |
| 20:40.30 | greycat | zlib1g and zlib1g-dev |
| 20:40.41 | qq- | apt-file search libz.so |
| 20:41.25 | jelly-hme | judd: file libz.so.1 --arch amd64 |
| 20:41.28 | judd | libz.so.1 in lenny/amd64: lib32z1: emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libz.so.1; zlib1g: usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 20:41.44 | jelly-hme | SparFux: so... lib32z1 for some reason |
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| 20:42.10 | SparFux | hm... in sid I don't have that package lib32z1. |
| 20:42.50 | SparFux | and I think I remember there were plans to have those packages created on the fly for 32bit compat. |
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| 20:44.15 | qq- | judd: file libz.so.1 --arch amd64 --release sid |
| 20:44.20 | judd | libz.so.1 in sid/amd64: dropbox: usr/lib/dropbox/libz.so.1; lib32z1: usr/lib32/libz.so.1; zlib1g: usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 20:44.20 | jelly-hme | SparFux: install it? |
| 20:44.45 | fbh | Ah, new workstation ordered! Nice. iMac 27" with an additional 27" cinema display |
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| 20:45.11 | SparFux | that's irritating: i lib32z1 - compression library - 32 bit runtime |
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| 20:45.43 | jelly-hme | !goal |
| 20:45.43 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 20:46.43 | debiantonio | !squeeze |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 20:46.53 | SparFux | jelly-home: it seems it IS already installed, but the prog doens't find it. |
| 20:47.19 | jelly-home | SparFux: what "prog"? |
| 20:47.40 | qq- | SparFux, ia32-libs is installed ? |
| 20:48.03 | jelly-home | SparFux: what does ldd /path/to/your/binary say? |
| 20:48.12 | SparFux | jelly-home: the SecondLilfe 32 bit binary. |
| 20:48.25 | SparFux | qq-: ia32-libs is installed. |
| 20:48.56 | yagoo | SparFux, sl requires mono |
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| 20:49.12 | SparFux | oh. |
| 20:49.30 | SparFux | yagoo: ok , then I'd have to install that. But it does not find libz, too. libz.so.1 => not found. |
| 20:49.58 | jelly-home | SparFux: pastebin the complete output of your command and of the ldd command as well. |
| 20:50.05 | SparFux | aha! |
| 20:50.50 | SparFux | while the package lib32z1 contains file /usr/lib32/libz.so.1, it is not there on the FS actually! |
| 20:50.56 | yagoo | I dont think sl would run without extracting extra tarballs diverged outside the main system.. |
| 20:51.40 | SparFux | yagoo: really. hm... |
| 20:51.59 | SparFux | yagoo: well, it's a big question, wether it will run at all with my graphics driver nouveau gallium. |
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| 20:53.04 | yagoo | SparFux, it's difficult as some of the base packages are still in the works for fully compatibility -- that's why it's possible outside the system.. diverged like in /opt or /usr/local .. |
| 20:53.43 | yagoo | SparFux, there are other clients that may link up to the main SL grid servers.. look into opensim |
| 20:54.23 | SparFux | yagoo: you mena other free software clients? :-) |
| 20:54.23 | yagoo | SparFux, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Connecting (hippoviewer may be able to hook up to the sl2 grid) |
| 20:54.52 | yagoo | SparFux, been months since i last took a look at opensim package ( a server to have your own sl like server ) |
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| 20:55.10 | simonrvn | opensim works nicely built |
| 20:55.26 | yagoo | simonrvn, since when? |
| 20:55.27 | yagoo | lol |
| 20:55.39 | yagoo | simonrvn, it would have to been recently.. |
| 20:56.03 | simonrvn | few months ago |
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| 20:56.20 | yagoo | well then you must be in a better position in knowing what works best with sl :p |
| 20:56.37 | yagoo | too much naked people in sl.. not really a children's playground |
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| 20:56.58 | yagoo | simonrvn, i don't mean you of course :p.. just when i last used it heheehe |
| 20:57.01 | simonrvn | no, it isn't. there's pg places, but stay away from the mature stuff... |
| 20:57.09 | adamska | lspci print me this: |
| 20:57.12 | adamska | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) |
| 20:57.13 | adamska | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] |
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| 20:57.17 | yagoo | simonrvn, should tell SparFux that.. hehehehe |
| 20:57.28 | adamska | should i use "nouveau" display driver? |
| 20:57.29 | yagoo | SparFux be careful from the mature contents areas hehehe |
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| 20:57.45 | adamska | or xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 20:57.59 | simonrvn | there's 'adult' now, but really going ot here |
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| 20:58.50 | SparFux | adamska: depends. |
| 20:58.50 | yagoo | simonrvn, if the whole web was 3d like that.. that'd be great.. dunno how popular opensim is.. |
| 20:59.08 | SparFux | ok, I'll be careful with all the mature stuff. |
| 20:59.18 | adamska | SparFux, tell me, depends on what? |
| 20:59.22 | SparFux | I just want to use the sims to meet real chicks anyway ;-P |
| 20:59.38 | jelly-home | hasn't seem "pder" ask a single question, be it stupid or not |
| 20:59.42 | yagoo | SparFux, where's this sl client from a repository ? |
| 20:59.42 | SparFux | adamska: well, nouveau has no full 3D support, for example. |
| 20:59.45 | simonrvn | uh, that's not the place for that |
| 20:59.57 | adamska | SparFux, but nouveau will works? |
| 21:00.03 | SparFux | yagoo: no, I d'led from linden labs. |
| 21:00.15 | SparFux | adamska: IMO it rocks the desktop world! |
| 21:00.27 | jelly-home | SparFux: I doubt they're going to support anything but proper nonfree nvidia drivers |
| 21:00.40 | SparFux | adamska: and I am astonished that no single change the devs make causes freezees or crashes for me. |
| 21:01.15 | adamska | SparFux, but i have an intel chipset |
| 21:01.17 | yagoo | SparFux, ^ simonrvn says it runs without problems.. maybe there's an easy repo for it.. there was a repo when i tried it but it was like a year ago.. |
| 21:01.32 | adamska | SparFux, should i install the intel display drivers then? |
| 21:01.51 | SparFux | adamska: then you don't need nouveau, of course. it's for nvidia! |
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| 21:02.17 | SparFux | yagoo? repo for what? |
| 21:02.22 | yagoo | it may have been just for opensim, but may have included relevant dependencies for the sl client.. |
| 21:02.28 | simonrvn | their repo is git-based now |
| 21:02.30 | yagoo | SparFux, nmind.. |
| 21:02.38 | simonrvn | was just for opensim |
| 21:02.50 | _stefanos_ | guys, sorry for asking again but I would like to talk with a person who's responsible for your wiki page. It has an awesome feature that i want on my dokuwiki as well. |
| 21:03.11 | simonrvn | ask in #debian-www on oftc maybe |
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| 21:06.06 | SparFux | simonrvn: I find no git repo, just svn. |
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| 21:07.56 | simonrvn | SparFux: git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim |
| 21:08.45 | krion | :quit |
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| 21:09.39 | SparFux | simonrvn: where did you find this? |
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| 21:10.09 | simonrvn | i don't remember. i got that from the .git/config. it seems to be a git-svn |
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| 21:10.52 | simonrvn | (i just pulled from that, fyi) |
| 21:11.25 | yagoo | sees some people miss their windows with :quit -- vim fail! |
| 21:11.55 | SparFux | thx. |
| 21:12.20 | SparFux | adamska: but intel has very very good open source support for their hardware, too. |
| 21:12.44 | SparFux | adamska: intel supports free software actively, I heard. So the stuff packaged with Debian should be great. |
| 21:13.53 | jelly-home | what intel supports best and what you get in stable debian can have 2-3 years difference |
| 21:13.58 | SparFux | cloning the git repo. |
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| 21:19.46 | mschiff | How can I disable package configuration for a apackage on installation vit aptitude or apt-get? Is there any way? |
| 21:21.22 | simonrvn | better question is, "how can i fix this broken package?" |
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| 21:26.08 | SparFux | hm... I reinstalled lib32z1 and now got the libz.so.1 and sl original viewer starts up. ... what was my password again? Anyway, debian seems to offer everything needed, except the nouveau graphics driver. |
| 21:26.14 | SparFux | guessed the password. |
| 21:26.37 | mschiff | simonrvn: No. The question is how can I disable it. The package is not broken |
| 21:27.09 | jelly-home | mschiff: "didn't install properly" is one way it can be broken |
| 21:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | mschiff: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 21:27.25 | mschiff | jelly-home: but thats not the problem |
| 21:27.37 | jelly-home | mschiff: what is the problem? |
| 21:27.38 | mschiff | jhutchins_lt: I want to install some packages automatically |
| 21:27.56 | magyar_ | is there a way to have sudo keep my user profile aliases when I "sudo -s" |
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| 21:28.08 | mschiff | And setting the debconf frontend to Noninteractive is not sufficient |
| 21:29.02 | valdyn | mschiff: man dpkg, dpkg options can be passed to apt-get or aptitude via -o iirc |
| 21:29.03 | jelly-home | mschiff: some (rare!) applications require some answers. This should be a very rare thing to do. You can provide debconf answers in advance, if you know them. |
| 21:29.20 | john_f | is file-rc still a dependency based init or is that only sysv-rc with nsserv? |
| 21:29.40 | jelly-home | mschiff: which packages in particular are you trying to install, which release and architecture? |
| 21:29.57 | valdyn | john_f: file-rc is just a different way to store the dependencies |
| 21:30.07 | mschiff | jelly-home: The problem is that the package (rsyslog-pgsql in this example) uses dbconfig-common to create a database, create db user etc, but I do not want it to do this |
| 21:30.24 | mschiff | jelly-home: from lenny-backports |
| 21:30.48 | mschiff | valdyn: You know which dpkg switch this is? I could not find one... |
| 21:31.03 | jelly-home | mschiff: can you live with letting it create something, then not usnig it later? |
| 21:32.01 | mschiff | jelly-home: no, it overwrote the password of the existing dbuser (rsyslog) wihtout confirmation and this would have broken things if this was not just a testbox |
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| 21:32.25 | valdyn | mschiff: --unpack |
| 21:32.56 | mschiff | valdyn: But it will not have status "ii" then right? |
| 21:33.03 | valdyn | mschiff: sure it wont |
| 21:33.11 | jelly-home | mschiff: where was this password stored? if it was a file in /etc, that's a serious bug and you should file it. |
| 21:33.23 | mschiff | jelly-home: In my head |
| 21:34.05 | jelly-home | mschiff: huh? package installation overwrote the password in your head? :-) |
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| 21:35.03 | mschiff | jelly-home: I created that dbuser myself and that package (por dbconfig-common) just "resetted" that password while trying to configure the package with debconf in Nonintercative mode |
| 21:35.19 | valdyn | mschiff: you need to work with the package, not against it |
| 21:35.37 | valdyn | mschiff: so if it really does the wrong thing you can modify the package |
| 21:36.09 | mschiff | valdyn: Thats what I do normally and for years, I know debian quite well, but in this particular case its not applicable |
| 21:36.16 | valdyn | mschiff: ok |
| 21:36.16 | jelly-home | mschiff: well, I suppose the package should figure out there's a preexisting user and not overwrite anything. |
| 21:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | mschiff: That is probably a bug and should be reported. |
| 21:37.00 | valdyn | mschiff: rebuild the package, get rid of the postinst stuff thats annoying you |
| 21:37.11 | mschiff | jelly-home: The problem for the package is that it wants to create a working rsyslog config and therefore it has to know the password... |
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| 21:37.55 | mschiff | valdyn: I hoped there was another way like "--disable-postinst" or something |
| 21:38.04 | mschiff | somewhere |
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| 21:39.15 | jelly-home | mschiff: that's a different issue than it overwriting preexisting db users' password, and one with false assumptions it seems (that there's always going to be a password provided) |
| 21:39.28 | silidan | hi, in debian lenny gnome, what app handles the places? |
| 21:39.58 | valdyn | mschiff: im not sure about --force-confold |
| 21:40.03 | jelly-home | mschiff: basically, the package should avoid doing that if you set the debconf-priority sky-high and use noninteractive frontend. |
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| 21:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | silidan: Places? |
| 21:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | silidan: You mean like localization? |
| 21:40.17 | valdyn | mschiff: maybe it does what you need, but i doubt that |
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| 21:40.29 | mschiff | valdyn: will check thx |
| 21:40.48 | silidan | i mean like the menu "Places" |
| 21:40.49 | mschiff | jelly-home: is there really a "sky-high" ? |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-home | mschiff: there's "critical" |
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| 21:41.21 | mschiff | jelly-home: but does the level really matter when setting Noninteractive? |
| 21:41.46 | silidan | jhutchins i mean the menue "places" |
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| 21:42.43 | jelly-home | mschiff: you're already dealing with an arguably buggy postinst or config script. Setting debconf-priority is (a tiny bit) nicer way to shut up debconf than to change the frontend. |
| 21:43.30 | jelly-home | mschiff: or you could push the correct password in the debconf database in advance and let the script do its stuff using the correct values, if possible. |
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| 21:43.52 | mschiff | jelly-home: ack, but using Noninteractive here is generally ok, because those systems are handled automatically (cfengine) |
| 21:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | silidan: Which release are you running? Which desktop? |
| 21:44.41 | mschiff | jelly-home: The may be way yes. Or maybe I can change the dbuser I am using and let it do its things and delete its stuff afterwards |
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| 21:45.27 | silidan | jhutchins i am using sid with gnome atm and i have a problem with Places->Connect to Server how can i find out which app/program/or package is responsible for this functionality?? |
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| 21:49.16 | valdyn | silidan: you mean in the nautilus file manager? |
| 21:49.32 | valdyn | silidan: whatever has a places menu should have a help menu too? |
| 21:51.01 | silidan | valdyn: the panel in gnome, has an entry named "Places" where can i edit what is in there (cant with rightclick edit menues on this item) |
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| 21:52.57 | valdyn | silidan: ok, this goes to nautilus |
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| 21:54.11 | tedivm | i'm hoping someone can help me with something- I have a script in /etc/init.d/ that for some reason is not showing up anymore in rcconf, meaning I can't easily enable/disable it from starting up with the server. Any idea how I can get it to show up in rcconf again? |
| 21:54.35 | mschiff | thx for helping jelly-home, valdyn, jhutchins_lt |
| 21:54.43 | valdyn | silidan: same as File -> Connect to server in nautilus |
| 21:55.19 | silidan | valdyn: ok, and what package is behind this functionality of nautilus? (i suppose its not nautilus itslef) |
| 21:56.00 | somiaj | tedivm: well you can use update-rc.d -- though I don't know why rcconf isn't seing it, is htis on sid by chance? |
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| 21:56.21 | tedivm | lenny |
| 21:56.45 | tedivm | i've had this problem show up before, but i can't remember how to fix it |
| 21:57.28 | tedivm | basically, if i add scripts into /etc/init.d myself and open rcconf the very first time they'll show up on the bottom of the list. If I enable them and close rcconf things work fine, but if I just ignore them they won't be there the next time i open it |
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| 21:58.15 | valdyn | silidan: i dont know exactly, this is integrated functionality between nautilus, gio stuff and gfvs |
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| 21:58.52 | valdyn | silidan: probably even talking to each component via dbus, which i have nfc about |
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| 22:00.44 | silidan | valdyn: thanks for your help then :D |
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| 22:06.36 | tedivm | somiaj: in case you were wondering it seems to have something to do with one of the scripts missing the "INIT INFO" section |
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| 22:12.28 | puty | "why the people don't switch to linux?": because their stupidity is bigger than Bill Gates' empire |
| 22:12.32 | silidan | my problem in more detail when i hit places-connect to server i can only choose servicetype custom... what packages do i need for others? |
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| 22:34.14 | silidan | got my nautilus porblem solved: Solution: install gvfs-backends package |
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| 22:40.37 | thepro4ever | i have a windows file which i moved to a linux box, for some reason all the files have a ^M at the end of everyline, what causes this? |
| 22:40.57 | bzrk | politics |
| 22:41.11 | bzrk | microsoft uses different linebreaks |
| 22:41.39 | thepro4ever | bzrk: i get that much but how or when does it happen |
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| 22:41.50 | tolland | I have some boxes with variously configured levels of exim, sendmail and various other mtas |
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| 22:41.59 | bzrk | thepro4ever: when you save files that you edited in windows |
| 22:42.30 | bzrk | thepro4ever: there are millions of tools that can fix that |
| 22:42.37 | tolland | but i just need to send some mail from command line, is there some way to bypass the local mta and have mail go direct to smtp on another box? |
| 22:42.42 | tedivm | thepro4ever: you can fix it with some simple apps, like "dos2unix" |
| 22:43.10 | bzrk | thepro4ever: or vim filename :set fileformat=unix :wq |
| 22:43.11 | tolland | dpkg -q mail |
| 22:43.11 | dpkg | tolland: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:43.30 | tolland | no not that |
| 22:45.09 | petemc | tolland: mutt can talk smtp to an external server, but you shouldnt be able to install more than one mta with dpkg as they conflict with each other - how did you do that? |
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| 22:54.18 | bolt | is there a preferred way of checking if a given package is installed? |
| 22:54.32 | bolt | in a bash script, in debian (apt) |
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| 22:54.38 | themill | !installed test |
| 22:54.38 | dpkg | To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that both of these will match package that are currently installed but scheduled for removal. See man dpkg for more details. |
| 22:54.50 | bolt | yay! |
| 22:55.01 | themill | bolt: "installed" isn't as simple as you make out though. |
| 22:55.18 | bolt | themill: i see that from the factoid. but this will work for my problem :) |
| 22:55.20 | bolt | themill: thanks |
| 22:55.35 | themill | no worries. have fun! |
| 22:56.59 | stew | aptitude search -Fyes '~i packagename' |
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| 22:58.32 | dougmencken | hi! which the the most state-of-future release of debian? |
| 22:58.38 | dougmencken | s/the the/is the/ |
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| 22:58.56 | stew | dougmencken: what does that mean? what are you going to use it for? |
| 22:59.12 | dougmencken | stew: for all-day use |
| 22:59.22 | stew | not when, but what for |
| 22:59.39 | thepro4ever | would zipping a directory of files on windows cause all of them to be saved with ^M at the end of each line? |
| 22:59.51 | dougmencken | stew: from programming to surfing web |
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| 23:00.34 | stew | dougmencken: what does "state of future" mean? we pretty much are always going to recommend debian stable which is currently codenamed lenny, unless you are pretty familiar with debian already |
| 23:00.39 | dougmencken | your topic mentions 5.0.6, but I saw 6.0 |
| 23:00.47 | abrotman | thepro4ever: no |
| 23:01.06 | stew | dougmencken: 6.0 will be released sometime in the future. its not yet released because it is buggy |
| 23:01.29 | dougmencken | stew: I used unstable/testing back in 2008, now I'm on slackware |
| 23:01.42 | dougmencken | and wanna give debian the chance |
| 23:01.54 | themill | stew: that aptitude search will match all manner of things you didn't really intend (such as substrings of package names) |
| 23:02.02 | stew | themill: right |
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| 23:02.45 | stew | and you'd hope that \b would fix that |
| 23:02.49 | stew | but it doesn't' |
| 23:03.15 | stew | aptitude search -Fyes '~i ^packagename$' |
| 23:03.36 | dougmencken | okay, I found http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/ << but there's only x86 and x86 targets |
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| 23:04.02 | themill | you want ~n as well, I think. (well, you'll now have package descriptions that are only the name of a package, I guess) |
| 23:04.17 | stew | themill: if they are, lets hope its the packag you are looking for :) |
| 23:04.26 | themill | :) |
| 23:04.35 | stew | dougmencken: are you wanting to run a live version or actually install it? |
| 23:05.04 | dougmencken | stew: I want to look at it on live cd/dvd, then to install |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | does the squeeze beta live let you install yet? |
| 23:05.25 | dougmencken | yep, apt-get is much superior to pkgbuild |
| 23:05.28 | themill | stew: actually, ~n is implicit, isn't it? So that'd be fine, if ugly. |
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| 23:06.42 | stew | dougmencken: are you running an arch other than x86 or x86_64? |
| 23:06.56 | dougmencken | stew: powerpc, sparc and mips |
| 23:07.06 | simonrvn | was is das? |
| 23:07.18 | dougmencken | das is nicht-x86 |
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| 23:07.27 | simonrvn | (probably badly spelled there...) |
| 23:07.52 | simonrvn | i run ppc here |
| 23:08.13 | dougmencken | simonrvn: wow |
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| 23:08.47 | simonrvn | and x86. nothing special ;) |
| 23:08.53 | dougmencken | wunderbar; nun zwei ppc useren |
| 23:09.21 | simonrvn | there's a bunch in #debianppc |
| 23:09.40 | tolland | on my box I have a file /var/spool/mail/mail which looks like it has all the mail intended for root in it |
| 23:09.43 | simonrvn | (and my german is very limited ;) |
| 23:09.48 | tolland | is there any way to get exim to process that? |
| 23:10.11 | dougmencken | tolland: ??? exim? pkill? |
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| 23:10.30 | simonrvn | technically it's not supposed to. set up your aliases for root and other accounts to fix that |
| 23:10.34 | simonrvn | . |
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| 23:51.09 | themill | quite probably. ucf is not something I've spent a lot of time looking at |
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| 23:55.15 | Tm0 | Hi everyone, is this correct code? http://pastebin.com/kmapgfV2 |
| 23:55.16 | pigdude | so I learned the firefox download works out of the box on debian |
| 23:55.23 | pigdude | and now I can install all addons |
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| 23:57.14 | Tm0 | Hi everyone, is this correct code? http://pastebin.com/kmapgfV2 I want to set up a VPS :P |
| 23:57.53 | pigdude | Tm0, you want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:58.19 | Tm0 | pigdude, just those, or add/replace them from the others? |
| 23:58.34 | pigdude | Tm0, you should install that |
| 23:58.52 | Tm0 | pigdude i know, i want to get it all done in one huge command. |
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| 23:59.01 | pigdude | ok |
| 23:59.10 | pigdude | Tm0, the key is to install the packages you need |
| 23:59.29 | pigdude | Tm0, there is no reason that will not be one huge command |
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| 23:59.44 | Tm0 | pigdude, those are the packages i need. I come from CentOS, thats my baisc instlal command :P |
| 23:59.48 | mschiff | maybe I should script dpkg using "expect" or something, its not possible to automate package installation in debian in a sane way... |
