| 00:00.00 | stew | Diytto: depends on what you need to do. some airport cards will work with the installer without you doing anything. some might need firmware on some external drive, some might not work at all |
| 00:00.05 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure you can do that, but I'm also fairly sure that you can get netinsts that support the orinoco (I guess that's either prism2 or prism54) |
| 00:00.06 | stew | Diytto: it will depend on which card you hvae |
| 00:00.23 | Diytto | Oh |
| 00:00.32 | Diytto | Its easier ti do ethernet :p |
| 00:00.38 | nsadmin | be prepared to use either |
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| 00:00.55 | Diytto | Well i tried the install earliet |
| 00:01.06 | Diytto | But there was no wireless option |
| 00:01.15 | stew | Diytto: maybe, maybe not, some eithernet will have the same problems |
| 00:01.18 | Diytto | There was like an apple thing but it didnt work |
| 00:01.36 | Diytto | There were 3-4 ethernet options :p |
| 00:01.53 | Diytto | I could put a driver on another drive |
| 00:01.56 | nsadmin | if it turns out you have to install using wired, you may be able to get your wireless going after you install |
| 00:02.02 | Diytto | But dont i need orinoco |
| 00:02.06 | Diytto | Okay |
| 00:02.14 | Diytto | I will use ethernet to install |
| 00:02.19 | Diytto | And then setup wifi |
| 00:02.21 | Diytto | :) |
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| 00:02.47 | shiloh20 | no simple way to instal through synaptic? |
| 00:03.10 | nsadmin | are you connected here with the apple? |
| 00:03.43 | Diytto | Yes |
| 00:03.52 | Diytto | I have osx running connected to wireless |
| 00:04.01 | Diytto | Oh wait |
| 00:04.04 | nsadmin | do you have another machine you can connect here with while you install? |
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| 00:04.07 | Diytto | Im on my ipod atm |
| 00:04.16 | Diytto | Lol |
| 00:04.50 | Diytto | nsadmin: My mac is connected ti wifi |
| 00:04.51 | Diytto | Atm |
| 00:04.56 | Diytto | And im on my ipod on irc |
| 00:05.13 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you already are on a different machine |
| 00:05.30 | Diytto | Yea |
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| 00:05.42 | stew | i would assume there are tools on osx that could tell us what the pciids are of these network devices, but I don't know what those would be |
| 00:05.42 | Diytto | I also have an imac to use if needed with a ubuntu vm |
| 00:06.01 | Diytto | Whats a pciids |
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| 00:06.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Diytto about pciid |
| 00:06.17 | martinmike2 | my postfix is trying to use the servers old hostname, i have changed the hosts file, and the posyfix config files to reflect the new hostname, what did I miss? |
| 00:06.30 | nsadmin | something that looks like 4FD3:12AB |
| 00:06.47 | stew | martinmike2: myhostname = server1.zautools.info ? |
| 00:06.54 | stew | martinmike2: myorigin = /etc/mailname ? |
| 00:06.55 | Diytto | Hmmm |
| 00:07.00 | Diytto | Lemme google |
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| 00:07.52 | nsadmin | maybe you can run a linux live cd that has a copy of lspci (which is a tool that tells what can be seen on the pci bus) |
| 00:07.55 | martinmike2 | myhostname = server1.zautools.info |
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| 00:08.06 | martinmike2 | myorigin = /etc/mailname |
| 00:08.10 | Diytto | Lol |
| 00:08.16 | Diytto | Lemme get my pciid 1 sec |
| 00:08.18 | varlon | hi, who can tell me what the package installed me list of lang folders in a root? |
| 00:08.24 | martinmike2 | its trying to connect to server1.zautools.co.cc |
| 00:08.38 | stew | martinmike2: yeah, those are the two settings I'd look at depending on what hostname it is using and where |
| 00:08.59 | stew | martinmike2: postfix is trying to? ok, and why do you think that is wrong? |
| 00:09.09 | martinmike2 | stew: the error in the log is: Nov 2 20:03:42 server1 postfix/smtp[31829]: connect to server1.zautools.co.cc[114.207.244.143]:25: Connection timed out |
| 00:09.15 | varlon | today (or yearstaday 2010.11.02) I updated my sid and got a list of folders in a / |
| 00:09.37 | varlon | how can I find what kind of packege do that? |
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| 00:09.52 | stew | martinmike2: so the 114.207.244.143 doesn't have a MTA running (or there is a firewall) |
| 00:09.58 | Diytto | Uh |
| 00:10.05 | Diytto | Its not in the format you gave? |
| 00:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Install lenny, learn to use the debian package management tools. |
| 00:10.11 | martinmike2 | stew, zautools.co.cc is the hold hostname, the new one is zautools.info |
| 00:10.20 | martinmike2 | hold = old |
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| 00:10.55 | stew | martinmike2: check the MX records in the DNS for whatever domain it is delivering mail for |
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| 00:11.56 | stew | martinmike2: wait, are you saying this is mail that should be delivering locally, but it is deciding to deliver to a remote machine? |
| 00:12.06 | shiloh20 | well, thanks for your time, im going to have to try another distro |
| 00:12.15 | shiloh20 | this isnt going to work out for me |
| 00:12.43 | martinmike2 | the mail is being sent from an external source, supposed to be delivered to a local account |
| 00:13.00 | stew | martinmike2: what domain is the mail being sent to |
| 00:13.00 | Diytto | nsadmin: I took a screenshot |
| 00:13.02 | Diytto | 1 sec |
| 00:13.10 | stew | martinmike2: like what address is the envelope RCPT |
| 00:13.23 | martinmike2 | zautools@zautools.info |
| 00:13.43 | stew | martinmike2: "mydestination = server1.zautools.info, localhost.zautools.info, , localhost" doesn't contain zautools.inf |
| 00:13.46 | stew | info |
| 00:13.53 | nsadmin | shiloh20: always your choice. |
| 00:13.58 | martinmike2 | should i just remove localhost? |
| 00:14.36 | Diytto | nsadmin: http://cl.ly/35mU/content |
| 00:14.37 | stew | martinmike2: no, you want postfix to deliver mail destined for localhost |
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| 00:15.20 | stew | martinmike2: if zautools.info is a domain that you want this postfix to deliver locally, then it should be in mydestination |
| 00:15.48 | stew | martinmike2: or zautools@zautools.info needs to be in a virtual map which maps to something that is delivered locally |
| 00:15.49 | Bushmills | martinmike2: often it is preferable to have only few names in mydestination, and catch the other destination domains in a virtual host setup. |
| 00:16.20 | darkkrai | any android developers here? I need to add a device for adb |
| 00:16.21 | Diytto | I gtg |
| 00:16.22 | stew | martinmike2: oh, wait, you mean "remove localhost" from "localhost.zautools.info" then yes |
| 00:16.23 | nsadmin | , pciid 105a:4069 |
| 00:16.25 | judd | [105a:4069] is 'Unknown device' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:4069 |
| 00:16.28 | Diytto | Bbl |
| 00:16.34 | Diytto | nsadmin: Pm to me |
| 00:16.35 | Diytto | K |
| 00:16.43 | martinmike2 | added zautools.info to the list, trying again |
| 00:17.11 | nsadmin | , pciid 105a:4d69 |
| 00:17.11 | stew | martinmike2: you need to "postfix reload" or "/etc/init.d/postfix reload" for your changes to be effected |
| 00:17.12 | judd | [105a:4d69] is '20269' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with kernel module 'pdc202xx_new' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:4d69 |
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| 00:17.17 | MrWax | how do I best restart a debian server system? |
| 00:17.21 | MrWax | with which command? |
| 00:17.40 | darkkrai | sudo reboot |
| 00:17.43 | ApEtc | man reboot |
| 00:17.53 | Bushmills | shutdown -r ... |
| 00:18.34 | MrWax | it take long? |
| 00:18.36 | nsadmin | , pciid 105a:ad69 |
| 00:18.39 | judd | [105a:ad69] is 'Unknown device' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:ad69 |
| 00:18.40 | MrWax | im on very slow system |
| 00:18.47 | Bushmills | as long as you tell it to |
| 00:19.00 | nsadmin | it looks like your disk controller |
| 00:19.07 | robokop | MrWax: perhaps kexec if you want a real quick reboot, but might get some problems with hardware not properly restarted |
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| 00:20.57 | ApEtc | MrWax: Depends on the system, the services that need to run on startup, etc |
| 00:21.13 | stew | MrWax: what's the purpose of restarting it? |
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| 00:24.10 | ruben | Hello |
| 00:24.43 | Guest50096 | Some security checks, shows this vulnerability ""tcp sequence number approximation vulnerability" how can I fix that? thx |
| 00:25.18 | t3a | how do i edit my xorg.conf so my second screen works |
| 00:25.21 | martinmike2 | lmao: Sending email failed. Maybe the SMTP server is not set up properly? Email queued. |
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| 00:25.49 | Bushmills | t3a: use xrandr |
| 00:26.13 | Bushmills | martinmike2: maybe. maybe not, |
| 00:26.29 | martinmike2 | no Bushmills, thats the error i got |
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| 00:28.03 | Bushmills | so maybe it hasn't been set up properly, but otoh the possibility that it has been set up properly is excluded? |
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| 00:32.32 | martinmike2 | Nov 2 20:32:00 server1 postfix/smtp[2219]: DC1A3330490: to=<zautools.info@server1.zautools.co.cc>, orig_to=<zautools@zautools.info>, relay=none, delay=23, delays=0.17/0.02/23/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to server1.zautools.co.cc[114.207.244.145]:25: Connection refused) |
| 00:32.48 | martinmike2 | why is it trying to rewrite the domain? |
| 00:34.04 | stew | martinmike2: check your virutal map |
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| 00:36.38 | martinmike2 | stew: http://pastebin.com/jXst00Vv |
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| 00:39.29 | martinmike2 | stew, if you like I can give you a login to the webmin panel |
| 00:41.10 | t3a | Bushmills, it doesn't automatically detect my second monitor |
| 00:41.15 | stew | martinmike2: webmin has enough security risks without you giving out credentials to random people on irc |
| 00:41.24 | martinmike2 | lol |
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| 00:42.53 | diazepam | hi all -- i am struggling to find an LDAP front end that will allow 'office managers' to administer basic stuff like user accounts - any suggestions? |
| 00:43.00 | Bushmills | t3a: so tell it to use the second monitor |
| 00:43.18 | themill | diazepam: gosa |
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| 00:43.34 | t3a | how? shouldnt it show my second as an option |
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| 00:45.00 | Bushmills | xrandr --output $device --mode $mode $where-relative-to-$otherdevice |
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| 00:46.36 | t3a | ? xrandr |
| 00:46.37 | diazepam | themill - thanks mate ill check it out |
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| 00:47.06 | aguitel | what need to do to grub menu list appears in boot process? |
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| 00:47.37 | diazepam | themill - looks nice |
| 00:47.44 | themill | diazepam: no worries. The packages for squeeze are pretty good (there are versions of them for lenny too) and their website has a lot of information on it including some screencasts. See also #gosa (slow but helpful) |
| 00:48.06 | diazepam | themill - does it have a web interface? |
| 00:48.09 | blackshirt | aguitel: on debian, grub menu appears on boot, is that right ?? |
| 00:48.19 | themill | diazepam: yes |
| 00:48.26 | diazepam | themill - SOLD! |
| 00:48.51 | aguitel | blackshirt, i am in netbook and no appears |
| 00:49.06 | blackshirt | are you using debian or ubuntu ?? |
| 00:49.24 | themill | diazepam: heh... have fun! |
| 00:49.34 | aguitel | blackshirt, debian with gnome-core |
| 00:49.49 | aguitel | squeeze |
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| 00:50.21 | blackshirt | aguitel: press shift key on grub2 when booting |
| 00:50.41 | aguitel | blackshirt, ok |
| 00:52.28 | blackshirt | aguitel: you're welcome.. |
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| 00:54.30 | t3a | Bushmills, $ xrandr --auto |
| 00:54.43 | t3a | No protocol specified |
| 00:54.43 | t3a | Can't open display :0.0 |
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| 00:56.29 | stew | t3a: run it as the user who is logged in to X |
| 00:57.25 | Bushmills | and run it from within an X session |
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| 01:04.08 | t3a | stew, is that admin |
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| 01:06.10 | stew | t3a: i don't know what user logged in to your x session |
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| 01:40.42 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
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| 01:41.01 | juvo | hey, i just net-installed debian with the default settings, gnome uses a resolution that isn't supported by my monitor, and the applet is blank, how can i fix it? |
| 01:41.29 | finetic | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE - how can i have that permanent ? so also when I boot the system ? |
| 01:41.44 | juvo | the correct resolution is listed in xrandr |
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| 02:04.23 | stew | finetic: add "up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" to the eth0 stanza of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:05.00 | Bushmills | wonders how somebody doesn't know as who he has logged into X |
| 02:05.43 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
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| 02:07.24 | finetic | stew: up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 02:07.27 | finetic | stew: just that line only ? |
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| 02:34.15 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
| 02:35.28 | Diytto | Hello stew |
| 02:35.34 | Diytto | pciid 105a:4069 |
| 02:35.40 | Diytto | There is my pciid |
| 02:35.44 | Diytto | :s |
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| 02:36.09 | Diytto | Hi |
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| 02:36.46 | Diytto | So uh stew do you remember what i was asking earliet? |
| 02:36.50 | Diytto | Earlier* |
| 02:38.04 | Diytto | .seen nsadmin |
| 02:38.10 | Diytto | !seen nsadmin |
| 02:38.10 | dpkg | nsadmin <~nsadmin@unaffiliated/nsadmin> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 19m 10s ago, saying: 'it looks like your disk controller'. |
| 02:38.16 | Diytto | :( |
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| 02:39.07 | Diytto | So uh |
| 02:39.23 | Diytto | Is there any way to use my wireless card to download the netinst |
| 02:39.36 | Diytto | There was talk about needin my pciid? |
| 02:40.12 | Diytto | Is anyone alive |
| 02:40.18 | qq- | , pciid 105a:4069 |
| 02:40.19 | judd | [105a:4069] is 'Unknown device' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:4069 |
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| 02:42.10 | Diytto | What does that mean |
| 02:45.05 | Diytto | So i cannot use my airport card in my mac to install the debian netinst? |
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| 02:45.48 | qq- | use a wired connection |
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| 02:47.43 | Diytto | Well stew and nsadmin had an i dea i believe |
| 02:48.14 | Diytto | Lame he is afk for 43mins |
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| 02:50.43 | Diytto | Is it ok to pm someone before asking here? Or do i need to ask |
| 02:51.01 | karlpinc | Diytto: Basically, if it's on-topic you ask the channel. |
| 02:51.04 | stew | Diytto: you'd have to find a driver for it and build it yourself |
| 02:51.35 | stew | i don't know why i'm lame for not being here to answer your questions, these are questions lots of people could answer |
| 02:52.02 | Diytto | Lol |
| 02:52.17 | Diytto | Its just i dont remember what i asked |
| 02:52.20 | Diytto | :< |
| 02:52.35 | Diytto | So i srsly have to use ethernet... |
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| 02:56.06 | Diytto | I will have to drag out a couple okd routers i guess and link a line of ethernet cables to my computer lol |
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| 03:01.50 | anomaly | I use mail on another server for sending email of logs and such.. I tried to apt-get, to no avail. I have ssmtp set up, but now just need a cli program to send that email along. |
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| 03:03.29 | Diytto | Whats the one ubuntu uses.. |
| 03:03.41 | Diytto | Is ot like evolution mail or something |
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| 03:04.43 | anomaly | Diytto if you mean me.. I am looking for a command line program. |
| 03:05.08 | Diytto | Owait |
| 03:05.13 | Diytto | I read that wrong lol |
| 03:05.20 | Diytto | I read cli and thought gui :/ |
| 03:05.24 | anomaly | no worries. |
| 03:05.30 | Diytto | :p |
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| 03:07.03 | Diytto | Fetchmail + pine |
| 03:07.09 | Diytto | :) |
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| 03:07.42 | Diytto | anomaly: ^^ |
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| 03:08.43 | werdnativ | I want to add: env_keep = "SSH_AUTH_SOCK" to my sudoers. Everywhere I search, it's only used with Defaults. Is there a syntax to set it for only one user? |
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| 03:11.38 | anomaly | Diytto I have ssmtp for sending mail.. as for pine.. I would use mutt if anything.. yet, I need something like mail where I can say something like mail -s file user@place.com :) |
| 03:12.07 | anomaly | Diytto I will keep at it, thank you though. |
| 03:12.12 | Diytto | Lol ok |
| 03:12.24 | Diytto | I just asked a friend and thats what he knew of |
| 03:12.26 | Diytto | 1 sec |
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| 03:13.32 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 03:14.48 | Diytto | Hi |
| 03:15.26 | Diytto | anomaly: Idk of this helps but someone suggested using telnet? |
| 03:16.01 | anomaly | Diytto ... 1995 called, they want their protocol back.. :p |
| 03:16.06 | JasonWoof | Why do the "debian resources" links on the right of this page link to couchdb version 0.9? http://packages.debian.org/sid/couchdb |
| 03:16.11 | Diytto | O.o |
| 03:16.19 | JasonWoof | looks like 0.9 is not the version in lenny, squeeze or sid |
| 03:16.22 | Diytto | :p |
| 03:16.29 | deepy | anomaly 2010 called, they wanted their tools back |
| 03:16.46 | anomaly | Diytto as I say, thank you again for your efforts. :) |
| 03:17.37 | anomaly | deepy if you define a tool, porous as a sieve.. go for it. :) |
| 03:17.59 | blackshirt | JasonWoof: it is debian resource information for that packages, maybe |
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| 03:18.14 | deepy | telnet! |
| 03:18.22 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: I'm curious why it links to the wrong version of the package |
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| 03:18.41 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: the headline says 0.11, the links go to 0.9 |
| 03:18.42 | karlpinc | anomaly: bsd-mailx, but nothing wrong with "telnet smtp.foo.com 25". |
| 03:18.52 | karlpinc | !tell anomaly about search |
| 03:18.55 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: 0.9 was two years ago or so |
| 03:19.12 | anomaly | karlpinc it was a tease towards Diytto. :) |
| 03:19.49 | blackshirt | JasonWoof: maybe, it was not been update, i think like that :d |
| 03:19.52 | blackshirt | JasonWoof: maybe, it was not been update, i think like that :) |
| 03:19.55 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: oop, only one year ago (that sid went beyond 0.9) |
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| 03:20.34 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: just seems odd, if you click "squeeze" in the top right, it shows 0.11 |
| 03:21.12 | Diytto | Anyone wanna do something amazing? |
| 03:21.14 | Diytto | Wait |
| 03:21.15 | Diytto | Firat |
| 03:21.18 | Diytto | First* |
| 03:21.32 | Diytto | Can i get the jre6 for ppc on debian |
| 03:21.50 | blackshirt | :) |
| 03:21.52 | Diytto | Or the jdk6 for ppc |
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| 03:22.52 | stew | Diytto: you can get openjdk-6-jre |
| 03:23.26 | Diytto | OH REALLY |
| 03:23.32 | Diytto | Is this for ppc too? |
| 03:23.34 | blackshirt | JasonWoof: not at all |
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| 03:23.45 | Diytto | Now can i install this on osx too? |
| 03:23.47 | Diytto | :p |
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| 03:24.54 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: huh? not what? not odd seeming or you don't see 0.11 for squeeze? |
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| 03:25.18 | Diytto | What is squeeze? |
| 03:25.28 | jordanm | !squeeze |
| 03:25.28 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 03:25.35 | Obligatory | Mixer questions: I can play sounds, but since I switched mobo's 'aumix' doesn't work right (the main 'vol' won't move). From a bootcd the same hardware works fine. |
| 03:25.37 | Diytto | Ohhhhh |
| 03:26.14 | blackshirt | JasonWoof: on Debian Changelog and Copyright links still refer to old |
| 03:27.03 | stew | Obligatory: isn't aumix oss? are you actually using oss instead of alsa? does alsamixer work better? |
| 03:28.46 | deepy | It uses the OSS API |
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| 03:28.52 | JasonWoof | blackshirt: ok, got the topic, now what about it is "not at all"? You saying the links don't appear old? or that they do appear old, and you're just not at all surprised? |
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| 03:30.17 | jordanm | ,versions couchdb |
| 03:30.19 | judd | Package couchdb on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.0-2; lenny-security: 0.8.0-2+lenny1; squeeze: 0.11.0-2.1; sid: 0.11.0-2.2 |
| 03:30.27 | Obligatory | stow, I dunno about 'aumix' being oss, might be at that. It used to work with my previous hardware. Alsamixer is similar, the 'Master' volume won't move, even as root. |
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| 03:31.40 | stew | Obligatory: i'd guess there is something else running that really wants to control your master volume harder |
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| 03:31.55 | Obligatory | An 'lspci -vv' for my sound card: http://pastebin.ca/1980268 |
| 03:32.03 | stew | Obligatory: see what other processes are listed by "fuser /dev/snd/control* /dev/mixer" |
| 03:32.20 | Obligatory | stow, tnx, I'll check... |
| 03:33.32 | Obligatory | stew, (not 'stow', pardon), 'fuser etc...' outputs only one line: "/dev/mixer: 2510" |
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| 03:35.07 | Obligatory | D'oh, 2510 is a PID, one sec... |
| 03:35.14 | stew | Obligatory: and what is 2510? (ps -o cmd 2510) |
| 03:36.49 | Obligatory | stew, 'gkrellm' of all things, a favorite proggie. So if I stop 'gkrellm' would I get the mixer back? |
| 03:37.45 | stew | Obligatory: tias |
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| 03:40.18 | Obligatory | stew, I tried it and saw... no difference. Restarting 'alsa' with '/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart' (as root) didn't help either. Hmm. |
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| 03:40.54 | n00ch | what is the bot to search channels? |
| 03:40.59 | stew | n00ch: alis |
| 03:41.00 | n00ch | and by the way howdy |
| 03:41.05 | stew | aloha |
| 03:41.08 | n00ch | stew: thanks |
| 03:41.21 | superlinux | hi. I have firefox 3.6.12. when I ask to open a file it does not directly run the file's corresponding application . how can I make firefox read that mapping? |
| 03:41.25 | Obligatory | Aha, when I restart 'gkrellm' an error "available 0ALSA lib control.c:882:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer |
| 03:41.25 | Obligatory | gkrellm-volume amixer: Control info /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory" |
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| 03:41.57 | Obligatory | Not sure what it means yet, but it looks interesting. |
| 03:42.04 | stew | Obligatory: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" will fix that error, but not then one you are ultimately concerned about |
| 03:42.40 | stew | Obligatory: what is the enironment where this works currently? |
| 03:42.45 | Diytto | So stew the openjdk-6-jre runs on a ppc with debian? |
| 03:43.16 | stew | Diytto: it should |
| 03:43.18 | n00ch | anyone know anyting about webgoat / webscarab? |
| 03:43.21 | Diytto | Sweet |
| 03:45.46 | Obligatory | stew, the 'modprobe' didn't fix that error. Also in "...where this works...", the pronoun "this" is what noun? |
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| 03:46.51 | stew | Obligatory: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:47.23 | Obligatory | stew, ohhh, 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 03:47.46 | stew | "From a bootcd the same hardware works fine" |
| 03:47.51 | stew | what bootcd is that? |
| 03:48.15 | Obligatory | stew, ubuntu 10.04 IIRC. |
| 03:48.16 | debianman | Hi, anyone have test debian CUT? how to use it? |
| 03:48.23 | Obligatory | Puppy Linux too. |
| 03:48.27 | stew | debianman: it doesn't exist |
| 03:48.39 | Diytto | stew: It was mentioned i could load a driver from another drive with the netinst? |
| 03:48.45 | Diytto | Is this possible |
| 03:49.20 | stew | Diytto: i don't know |
| 03:49.24 | stew | Diytto: probably |
| 03:49.29 | Diytto | Ah |
| 03:49.35 | Diytto | So you dont know how |
| 03:49.36 | debianman | stew, why? what happen? |
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| 03:50.18 | stew | Diytto: you have to get the kernel source for the kernel on the d-i, get the source for a driver for your card, and build the card against the kernel headers |
| 03:50.36 | stew | Diytto: that would produce a .ko file you could insmid from a console in the installer |
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| 03:51.23 | stew | debianman: it was only a recent proposal, there is a TON that would need to happen for that to become a reality including help from a lot of people from the release team that are currently concentrating on getting squeeze out |
| 03:52.20 | jordanm | the linux mint team recently released a new version with basically the same objective |
| 03:52.36 | stew | Diytto: or, if you found out that somehow 2.6.36 suppprts your card or something (or found some kernel source that supprts your card) you could build your own installer with /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 03:52.40 | jordanm | I saw there were doing some collaboration with the debian-live team on it |
| 03:52.59 | Obligatory | Maybe that 'snd_ctl_open_noupdate' means something. I have a '/dev/mixer', so maybe the former is a 'CTL' whatever that is, and that CTL isn't there for some reason. I suspect module issues, which I find difficult to troubleshoot. |
| 03:53.35 | Diytto | stew: Sounds like something i dont know how to do |
| 03:53.36 | Diytto | Lol |
| 03:53.41 | Diytto | Ill ise ethernet |
| 03:53.45 | stew | Obligatory: /dev/mixer is the old oss interface, you should be concentrating on the alsa interface sine you are using alsa drivers, they have a better chance of working |
| 03:53.53 | stew | Obligatory: you might try: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 03:54.12 | stew | Diytto: do you know of source of a driver for your wireless card? |
| 03:54.23 | stew | Diytto: that would be an essential step |
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| 03:57.13 | Obligatory | stew, tnx, I read it. Has it come to recompiling modules? Used to do that with 'nvidia', it made every kernel upgrade a hassle... (And if an older Ubuntu kernel was OK, assuming it was older, wouldn't the age of the modules not be the issue?) |
| 03:58.26 | Obligatory | Basically I want to know how to troubleshoot this, even if that's tricky. What exhausts is the "try this" school -- good for sure things, but exhausting for unknowns. |
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| 03:58.44 | Obligatory | Drat, I'm redundant. |
| 03:59.24 | Obligatory | stew, but I'll focus on 'alsa' as you advise. |
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| 04:01.38 | Obligatory | Also volume can be raised/lowered from within some (not all) software. 'vlc' volume works, 'audacious' it doesn't, but both play sound. |
| 04:01.41 | debianman | stew, ok, thanks for the explanation |
| 04:01.41 | stew | Obligatory: well, i look at the new alsa version as a way of determining if the problem is the driver or the software. if you knew what kernel the bootcd's that work use that might be similarly diagnostic |
| 04:02.11 | stew | Obligatory: but are they raising lowering master or pcm? |
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| 04:02.49 | Obligatory | stew, I'm suspecting (or rather hoping) it's a config issue. Re master or pcm, not sure. |
| 04:03.01 | Obligatory | pcm prolly. |
| 04:03.14 | stew | Obligatory: if you have alsamixer open, you can watch and see what they are changing |
| 04:05.52 | Obligatory | stew, will do. Tested with 'alsamixer' & 'vlc', if I raise/lower volume in 'vlc', alsamixer doesn't change master nor pcm. |
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| 04:14.16 | Obligatory | Hmm, 'vlc' is and was set to output to 'alsa'. Yet the mixers still don't move. |
| 04:15.42 | Obligatory | Are the mixers not showing the right thing, or is 'vlc' doing something that doesn't involve mixers yet changes volume. 'mplayer' can change volume too. |
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| 04:17.45 | Obligatory | stew, maybe it is a bug, in which case compiling might help. I'll fetch the sources and see where it goes. Thanks! (Maybe more later...) |
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| 04:29.00 | caoanroad4800 | hey all |
| 04:29.04 | werdnativ | when I SSH to my server, there's no SSH_AUTH_SOCK. My connection has AgentForwarding=yes. What do I need to make it work? |
| 04:29.11 | blackshirt | hello too |
| 04:29.24 | caoanroad4800 | trying my best to get used to IRC chat |
| 04:29.35 | blackshirt | welcome |
| 04:31.40 | JasonWoof | Looks like this maintainer has been inactive for about 4 years now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=joerg%40deb...[fill in the blank] |
| 04:32.00 | JasonWoof | should something be done? or someone notified? or is that auto-detected? |
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| 04:36.12 | JasonWoof | I just chimed in on a bugreport for IlohaMail (which he's the maintainer for.) and then saw that it's been quite a while since this severe but very easy to fix bug was reported |
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| 04:38.20 | stew | hahaha |
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| 04:39.23 | Pavlz | http://www.gopetition.com/petition/40352.html for untrusted hardware |
| 04:40.02 | JasonWoof | This isn't a big deal, since IlohaMail upstream seems to have been abandoned, but I'm curious if I should let someone know or something |
| 04:40.36 | stew | JasonWoof: the maintainer is NOT inactive. perhaps on that package, but he is one of the busiest people in all of debian |
| 04:41.38 | stew | (by busiest, i mean busiest with stuff he does for debian) |
| 04:43.35 | JasonWoof | really? I just looked through the first 8 or so bugs on that page (in the important/unclassified section) and the only ones where he responded to were in 2006 or older |
| 04:43.47 | JasonWoof | stew: you sure we're talking about the same person? |
| 04:44.42 | stew | JasonWoof: 100% positive |
| 04:45.18 | stew | JasonWoof: does the name you are referring to show up several times on http://www.debian.org/intro/organization ? |
| 04:46.23 | JasonWoof | stew: wow |
| 04:46.52 | JasonWoof | maybe the other bugs he's not responded to aren't very important either |
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| 04:48.04 | Diytto | Hey yo stew how big is a cd file |
| 04:48.11 | Diytto | I you do the 20 disc install |
| 04:48.13 | Diytto | :p |
| 04:49.08 | stew | Diytto: what do you mean? |
| 04:49.29 | Diytto | The install where you download like 20 disks |
| 04:49.38 | Diytto | And use them to install |
| 04:49.43 | Diytto | How big is one cd |
| 04:50.18 | stew | Diytto: you want me to go to the download site and look up the sizes of the cds? |
| 04:50.28 | Diytto | Oh |
| 04:50.28 | Diytto | No |
| 04:50.30 | Diytto | I can |
| 04:50.34 | stew | Diytto: i'd guess them to be mostly just under the maxiumum |
| 04:50.35 | Diytto | Im trying to find it |
| 04:50.40 | stew | what is that, like 700mb? |
| 04:50.44 | Diytto | Yea |
| 04:50.45 | rww | the CDs that, I note, most people only need the first one of… |
| 04:50.45 | Diytto | For a cd |
| 04:50.54 | Diytto | Lol |
| 04:51.29 | peterrooney | Diytto: it is a rare instance where more than the first CD is needed. |
| 04:51.42 | Diytto | Really? |
| 04:51.55 | Diytto | If you just use the first cd |
| 04:52.03 | stew | Diytto: the other cds exist for installing packages onto machines that cannot get onto the internet to download packages |
| 04:52.07 | peterrooney | Diytto: really. |
| 04:52.09 | Diytto | Can you download all the others once its installed? |
| 04:52.16 | Diytto | Ohhhh |
| 04:52.31 | Diytto | So it has all the packages and the first one contains the os |
| 04:52.46 | Diytto | I have internet, just not for netinst |
| 04:53.16 | Diytto | I have an airport card so i can set up wifi once i have the system installed |
| 04:53.31 | stew | Diytto: the netinst has all the packages you need. cd1 contains the netinst, plus a gnome install plus the other most populare packages. the other cds contain all the other packages, ordered by populatirty |
| 04:53.39 | peterrooney | Diytto: no. first one contains installer and most frequently needed packages |
| 04:54.04 | Diytto | So... I need internet either way? |
| 04:54.05 | Diytto | :( |
| 04:54.08 | Diytto | Uncool |
| 04:54.17 | stew | Diytto: no, none of these require internet |
| 04:54.23 | Diytto | O.o |
| 04:54.26 | Diytto | What |
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| 04:54.42 | Diytto | The netinst doesnt need internet? |
| 04:54.49 | Diytto | Mind = blown |
| 04:55.04 | stew | its poorly named |
| 04:55.06 | peterrooney | I think this needs to be put out explicitly: Diytto, what are you actually wanting to do? |
| 04:55.20 | Diytto | Okay all i need is to use the os |
| 04:55.35 | Diytto | Once i have access to the os itself i can get access to the internet |
| 04:55.44 | stew | he wants to use wireless that debian doens't support. he thinks that somehow after debian is installed, it will be somehow easier to find a driver for his wireless |
| 04:55.55 | Diytto | Wait |
| 04:55.56 | Diytto | What |
| 04:56.37 | stew | Diytto: netinst is named "netinst" meaning "if you want to install anything other than the base system, you'll need to get the packages from the network" but you can install a base system with the netinst without a network |
| 04:57.21 | Diytto | Ah |
| 04:57.38 | Diytto | But my airport card isnt supported? |
| 04:57.59 | stew | 20:18 < judd> [105a:ad69] is 'Unknown device' from 'Promise Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=105a:ad69 |
| 04:58.06 | stew | "no known kernel module" |
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| 04:58.25 | Diytto | Orinoco supports it |
| 04:58.33 | Diytto | I have the original wireless card |
| 04:58.39 | stew | Diytto: then the installer supports it |
| 04:58.56 | Diytto | airport (supported devices) Supports the AirPort Card (not AirPort Extreme). |
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| 04:59.03 | Diytto | :) |
| 04:59.10 | stew | since the installer would have orinoco drivers |
| 04:59.17 | Diytto | Oh rly nao |
| 04:59.25 | stew | yes, but they don't claim to support your card |
| 04:59.30 | Diytto | I will have to mess arounf with it more |
| 04:59.44 | Diytto | I wasnt paying much attention when i did it |
| 05:00.00 | Diytto | I think that is my project for tomorrow |
| 05:00.15 | Diytto | Ill get on irc while i do it :p |
| 05:00.33 | blackshirt | it's greats diytto :) |
| 05:00.43 | Diytto | blackshirt: What is? :p |
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| 05:01.32 | blackshirt | for your project :) |
| 05:01.39 | Diytto | Oh yes |
| 05:01.42 | Diytto | I love debian |
| 05:01.53 | stew | Diytto: i'm guessing this is not going to be easy. since you are now seeming to claim to know more about your card than the drivers you intend to us |
| 05:02.09 | stew | use* |
| 05:02.30 | Diytto | I know my card is the original airport not extreme with 802.11b |
| 05:02.33 | JasonWoof | is there a livecd Diytto could boot for a quick test of wireless compatibility? |
| 05:02.40 | Diytto | Ohhhh |
| 05:02.44 | Diytto | Thats a good idea |
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| 05:04.10 | JasonWoof | Diytto: or you could just install, and go from there... |
| 05:04.22 | Diytto | http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco#supported-airport |
| 05:04.25 | Diytto | I have this |
| 05:04.33 | Diytto | For my ppc g4 |
| 05:04.41 | Diytto | Its slot loading |
| 05:05.02 | Diytto | JasonWoof: True |
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| 05:05.56 | JasonWoof | if you can deal with the computer being offline for a while (in case it doesn't work) I say just go for it |
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| 05:08.58 | Diytto | Hmm |
| 05:08.59 | Diytto | Well |
| 05:09.11 | Diytto | I would rather do a live cd |
| 05:09.15 | Diytto | So many uses for it |
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| 05:13.15 | Diytto | Aha |
| 05:13.18 | Diytto | http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/ |
| 05:13.31 | Diytto | Will any live cd run on a ppc? |
| 05:14.38 | Diytto | :s |
| 05:15.27 | Diytto | JasonWoof: Is knoppix even debian? |
| 05:16.18 | Diytto | Whatever |
| 05:16.22 | Diytto | Im gonna go to bed |
| 05:16.35 | Diytto | Pm me if you want ill read it tomorrow morning |
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| 05:29.22 | tharkun | s/RAID0/RAID1/ |
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| 05:40.24 | cyberbob | I have installed ubuntu on my desktop machine(for my personal home use). Ubuntu is still not mature as it crashed many times |
| 05:40.37 | cyberbob | but it supports my all hardware |
| 05:40.56 | cyberbob | If I install debian would it support all of my hardware ? |
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| 05:41.38 | tharkun | cyberbob: you need to investigate each piece of hw you've got no wayt my crystall ball will give the answeers |
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| 05:44.11 | cyberbob | As ubuntu is drived from debian that is why i was thinking about that. . |
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| 05:47.46 | blackshirt | cyberbob: debian and ubuntu uses the same kernel from linux |
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| 05:49.36 | simonrvn | the same basic kernel, but not the same kernel - they both patch it. |
| 05:49.38 | cyberbob | blackshirt: so it means debian will give me full support for hardware as ubuntu did |
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| 05:51.16 | blackshirt | simonrvn: yes..but i think, if linux support your device, debian will support too |
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| 05:51.32 | blackshirt | cyberbob: exactly, what your devices ?? |
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| 05:55.25 | cyberbob | blackshirt: this is my machine http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF06b/12132708-12132884-12132884-12132884-12736486-12736594-78009961.html |
| 05:56.15 | simonrvn | wah: shortened url at http://tinyurl.com/2a2x968 |
| 05:56.20 | cyberbob | and ubuntu nicely given no hardware related issues. . but it sucks as it crashesmany times |
| 05:56.44 | cyberbob | simonrvn: nice |
| 05:57.38 | blackshirt | cyberbob: HP support Debian very well.. i think, your hardware supported by debian |
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| 05:59.24 | simonrvn | fyi, sounds like it would be supported |
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| 05:59.41 | blackshirt | maybe likes that :) |
| 05:59.42 | simonrvn | without much hassle (OotB in fact) |
| 06:00.13 | simonrvn | hp has been a debian sponsor in the past... |
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| 06:00.34 | cyberbob | ooh really nice |
| 06:01.02 | cyberbob | As ubuntu uses debian kernel so all hardware supported by ubuntu will be supported by debian as well |
| 06:01.32 | simonrvn | er, ubuntu uses ubuntu kernel (== linux kernel + ubuntu patches) |
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| 06:07.06 | cyberbob | simonrvn: which is the best distro for desktop PCs ? |
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| 06:10.42 | Pavlz | GNU/linux gNewSense or GNU/linux Ututo or GNU/linux Blag |
| 06:11.45 | peterrooney | !start a distro war |
| 06:11.45 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
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| 06:12.56 | simonrvn | the best one is what you like |
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| 06:13.20 | simonrvn | !best |
| 06:13.20 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 07:10.27 | blackshirt | dokma: check it through synaptic |
| 07:10.37 | dokma | I'm using aptitude |
| 07:14.30 | ebzzry | apt-cache policy |
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| 07:25.22 | mx | hi |
| 07:25.30 | mx | where are the mysql logs located in debian? |
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| 07:27.03 | blackshirt | try to serach on /var/log maybe or /usr |
| 07:27.31 | mx | thanks |
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| 07:30.09 | debclair | hi, i have problems configuring grub to boot a debian lenny fresh base installation in an external hd. I already got the UUID on fstab. Can anybody help me? |
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| 07:32.07 | neil_d | hi I have a SBC where the /etc/apt/sources.list file has "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" in it... but when I do an apt-get update.. it doesn't work... can anyone tell me what I should do? |
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| 07:32.38 | Pumba | the fstab won't help, I think |
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| 07:33.33 | Pumba | debclair: grub does not use the fstab, you'd have to declare the external hd's address in the grub config |
| 07:34.00 | terang | Sarge ~.^ |
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| 07:35.10 | Pumba | neil_d: probably find a mirror which is still hosting sarge? |
| 07:35.24 | mx | Mon Nov 01 13:22:04 2010] [error] [client 79.172.195.193] File does not exist: /var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/db |
| 07:35.29 | mx | someone tryign to hack my db? |
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| 07:35.41 | debclair | Pumba, sorry I should note that i have another debian installation in my PC, i want the grub in this PC to be able to boot the debian in my external hd |
| 07:36.30 | debclair | Pumba, which parts should I change there exactly? i already changed the kernel line, setting the root to my external hd to UUID |
| 07:36.43 | neil_d | Pumba: I suppose sarge is old stuff now. any idea on how to find a mirror? |
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| 07:37.50 | kwagner | good morning @ all |
| 07:37.55 | Pumba | neil_d: yep ;) google might find an answer; most mirrors will only host the recent versions (etch, lenny, squeeze, sid) and be happy with the disk space and traffic usage of those |
| 07:38.15 | Pumba | neil_d: someone out there might still have sarge, though - good luck :) |
| 07:38.40 | kwagner | i have installed debian netinstall and the kernel version is 2.26 ... but the actually kernel version is 2.36 ... how could i update my kernel? |
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| 07:39.23 | dokma | anyone knows in which package are c funcion manual pages |
| 07:40.44 | blackshirt | kwagner: what you mean with 2.36 version.. i think, the highest version from linux kernel is 2.6.36 |
| 07:41.09 | Pumba | neil_d: try http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 07:42.44 | neil_d | Pumba: thanks |
| 07:43.22 | kwagner | yes |
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| 07:43.34 | kwagner | this is what i mean |
| 07:44.14 | kwagner | my fresh installed debian is 2.6.26 but the newest kernel version is 2.6.36 |
| 07:44.23 | kwagner | and i currently need the new version |
| 07:44.50 | blackshirt | yes...debian stable release using 2.6.26 version.. |
| 07:45.17 | blackshirt | kwagner: you can download it from kernel.org and then compile self |
| 07:45.34 | kwagner | ok |
| 07:46.06 | kwagner | i need a system, which i could use for lvm´s and iscsi. nothing more. and an new kernel. you know somthing i could use? |
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| 07:49.49 | blackshirt | kwagner:i thinks iscsi has supported by linux..but maybe it is too old.. i think |
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| 07:50.13 | cydork | kwagner: any particular reason you need a newer kernel? |
| 07:50.13 | blackshirt | kwagner: but, it sounds work on linux,.. is that right |
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| 07:52.35 | kwagner | i need a new kernel because of our raid controllers. we tried to install debian an other with kernel until 2.29 and the wont work. just kernel above 2.30 and higher works fine |
| 07:53.28 | blackshirt | kwagner: yes, you can build your self customized and optimized kernel for your system |
| 07:54.13 | kwagner | ok, but the iscsi modules from 2.26 then wont work any more? |
| 07:54.20 | kwagner | or im wrong with that? |
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| 07:55.12 | blackshirt | kwagner: you can build it agains the custom kernel was running |
| 07:55.29 | kwagner | ok |
| 07:55.37 | kwagner | puh hard stuff i think ^^ |
| 07:56.09 | blackshirt | no.. maybe newest kernel has full support your iscsi :) |
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| 07:59.05 | kwagner | is there a guide or something, because i have never done something like that before |
| 07:59.16 | cydork | !tell kwagner -about kmuto |
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| 08:00.11 | cydork | kwagner: but be warned .. the kernel from kmuto wont get security updates.. |
| 08:00.16 | td123 | does anyone know how many packages are in the debian repositories? |
| 08:00.59 | kwagner | ok thanks. is there any other distribution which i could use that kernel ist uptodate? |
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| 08:01.36 | cydork | !dstats |
| 08:01.47 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 30246 packages, 2168 maintainers, 97848 MB installed size, 36647 MB compressed size. |
| 08:02.02 | cydork | kwagner: you are in #debian so .. |
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| 08:02.25 | cydork | td123: does that answer your question ? |
| 08:02.32 | td123 | cydork: yes, thank you :) |
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| 08:03.19 | kwagner | i know. that im in #debian, but i just want to know if someone of you could give me a reference |
| 08:03.24 | td123 | currently, archlinux has 34000 packages, what is your take on the two sizes? |
| 08:03.35 | td123 | are archlinux packages worse? |
| 08:03.42 | td123 | (quality)? |
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| 08:04.06 | td123 | is just interested, I don't want to start a holy war, at least not tonight ;) |
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| 08:04.36 | cydork | td123: size doesn't matter! and this is a support channel so feel free to join #debian-offtopic .. |
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| 08:04.59 | bvk | hi, can I force an application to use different DNS server than the default? |
| 08:05.46 | td123 | cydork: sorry, ofc, my bad :) |
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| 08:08.38 | blackshirt | kwagner: you can use debian with squeeze repository.. it using 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 08:10.00 | pallgone | kwagner: or use the kernel from backports with lenny |
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| 08:12.01 | kwagner | ok thanks |
| 08:12.13 | kwagner | im upgrading my system now with the squezze packages |
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| 08:18.22 | kwagner | is the iscsi configuration as easy as they told in many guides? just do an ietd.conf entry and initiators.allow and thats all? |
| 08:18.25 | ziftex^ | Hi. Have LAMP installed on Lenny, When uptime is getting over 12 houres, apache2 becomes very slow. If I restart apache2 service its start responding alot faster again. |
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| 08:20.38 | binbash_ | You should check how many apache2 processes are running. |
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| 08:20.55 | binbash_ | Maby your connections stay open. |
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| 08:24.26 | ziftex^ | Okay. Will do that. |
| 08:24.46 | ziftex^ | ps aux | grep apache2 ? |
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| 08:43.50 | sn0man | Can anyone tell me how to force SSHd to load last at bootup? I want SSHd to bind to a TUN device, but SSHd is loading before the TUN device is loaded. Which makes SSH not bind to ANY devices. |
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| 08:49.33 | iulhk | hi all |
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| 08:50.51 | iulhk | using debian lenny ... using konqueror,,, don't know how to add plugins for konqueror web browser... how to add plugins for flash java based websites ... anybody has any idea ? |
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| 08:51.30 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys konqueror |
| 08:51.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'konqueror' by key (5): konqueror flash ;; konqueror ssl ;; _default konqueror ;; _default konqueror flash ;; konqueror. |
| 08:52.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals konqueror |
| 08:52.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'konqueror' by value (15 of 20): adblock ;; adzapper ;; conkeror ;; conqueror ;; gmail ;; gnash ;; harri ;; kaboodle ;; kde_trouble ;; kdenox ;; kfmi ;; kmozilla ;; reaktivate ;; sftp ;; webbrowsers in debian. |
| 08:52.37 | streuner_ | iulhk: Did you install java yet? |
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| 08:52.58 | streuner_ | dpkg, konqueror flash |
| 08:52.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, konqueror flash is use the Netscape plugins. see also http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200203/msg00006.html |
| 08:53.14 | streuner_ | .oO (very old) |
| 08:53.19 | streuner_ | factoid |
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| 08:55.09 | iulhk | dpkg, konqueror flash command doesn't work |
| 08:55.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, iulhk |
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| 08:56.08 | iulhk | <streuner_>: yes i hv installed sun-java6-jdk |
| 08:56.52 | Olof_szary | hello, I have problem with squeeze (PL) I could not find sldap package. In which repo it should be? |
| 08:56.54 | iulhk | <streuner_>: but unable to watch flash videos .. gmail , hotmail yahoo emails properly |
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| 09:01.17 | streuner_ | iulhk: why not just using another browser which has better support? |
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| 09:11.15 | Worf | i'm on squeeze (amd64), and since i have new hardware i propably need newer than 2.6.32 kernels. what options do i have? experimental has 2.6.36, but -headers won't install because there is no linux-kbuild-2.6.36 yet ... any tipps? |
| 09:11.25 | amgarching | yesterday, trying to replace a faild disk in a raid5 array I pulled the wrong disk killing the raid. Is there a way to make a LED of a specific disk blink for identification purposes? |
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| 09:15.25 | f8l | Olof_szary: Do you mean slapd? |
| 09:16.00 | f8l | Worf: You could try compiling your own. |
| 09:16.30 | gnarface | Worf: compile your own kernel. bleeding edge hardware suffers bleeding edge software |
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| 09:17.20 | JasonWoof | Worf: is something not working right? |
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| 09:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | amgarching, you can probably put the correct disk to sleep with hdparm -Y |
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| 09:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | amgarching, the LED usually blink when you access the disk... but if you see which disk belongs to which led... |
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| 09:22.37 | Worf | JasonWoof: well, if i remember the changelogs correctly, then there are a lot of fixes for mainboard and cpu - especially when it comes to power saving. ( Phenom II X6, 890GX ). And then there are things i'd like to try (btrfs, ...) - but maybe you are right and the important parts got backported to the debian squeeze kernel ... |
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| 09:23.06 | EugenMayer | iam running into http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg782649.html |
| 09:23.23 | EugenMayer | enabling weak crypto actually does not help here. Anybody has an idea on this? |
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| 09:25.25 | amgarching | CutMeOwnThroat: why putting disks to sleep? |
| 09:25.40 | Worf | f8l, gnarface : hmmyeah - propably. i kinda had a small hope to get a pointer if and how it would be possible to use the existing packages (eaven if they are in experimental) |
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| 09:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | amgarching, can't you tell by vibration/temperature if a disk is off? |
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| 09:27.21 | f8l | Worf: I think you could install the image, unpack the sources and make a symlink to them so the headers are no longer needed. I forgot what the symlink was though. |
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| 09:28.17 | strk | which package contains write.2 ? |
| 09:28.19 | strk | (manpage) |
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| 09:33.04 | bvk | ok, nobody seems to know, so: I managed it with "unshare -m /bin/bash" :-) |
| 09:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell strk -about apt-file |
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| 09:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably want the one in manpages-dev |
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| 09:36.11 | strk | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 09:37.30 | Olof_szary | :q |
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| 09:43.52 | sander^work | Anyone know how to install php5.2 and 5.3 with apt-get?.. I guess those will just replace eachother.. since they are listed as php5? |
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| 09:49.14 | Diablostar | @sander^work : You can try this : 1) #echo "deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all" >> /etc/apt/sources.list 2)#echo "deb-src http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all" >> /etc/apt/sources.list 3)# aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 09:50.11 | Diablostar | only if you've already an old version of php |
| 09:50.23 | themill | dotdeb... eww :( |
| 09:50.43 | Diablostar | :/ |
| 09:50.54 | CissWit | tell sander^work about dotdeb |
| 09:51.02 | CissWit | dpkg, tell sander^work about dotdeb |
| 09:51.15 | sander^work | Diablostar, I will install php5.2 as pinned.. just as here: http://2bits.com/drupal-planet/various-ways-running-php-52-ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx.html |
| 09:51.22 | themill | "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" is usually the best approach to dealing with their packages. |
| 09:52.23 | sander^work | Why is dotdeb that bad? |
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| 09:53.02 | JasonWoof | Worf: I'm just thinking along the lines of "if it ain't broke..." |
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| 09:54.04 | themill | sander^work: last time I looked at their packages they had no regard for playing nicely with the debian packages, used a completely different package layout, had really bad maintainer scripts (that you're running as root, remember), had badly constructed dependencies and paid no attention to providing a smooth upgrade path to the packages in the next debian release. |
| 09:54.10 | JasonWoof | Worf: and I was just curious how you could "probably need" the new kernel. 'cuz I think a new kernel is only "needed" if some hardware really doesn't work. |
| 09:54.18 | JasonWoof | I'm a sucker for updates though... |
| 09:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the need for weed... |
| 09:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps SNS |
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| 09:56.39 | sander^work | So dotdeb compile their own deb to basically respect previous versions already installed? |
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| 09:59.30 | themill | sander^work: no idea. |
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| 10:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | as they don't actually SAY, why they do that, how shold anyone know? Check http://www.dotdeb.org/about/ |
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| 10:05.34 | psycho23 | Why does Debian have 31 CDs for all packages for an install? Does Debian isn't expect _anyone_ to download all of those 31 CDs? |
| 10:06.03 | f8l | psycho23: If you have internet you only need the first one. |
| 10:06.11 | psycho23 | I know |
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| 10:06.21 | f8l | !tell psycho23 about netinst |
| 10:06.31 | psycho23 | Maybe the 31 CDs is just for completeness? |
| 10:06.52 | arctanx | if you want everything in the debian package repository off hand without internet access you need the 31 |
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| 10:06.58 | arctanx | on* hand |
| 10:07.17 | SlayerXP | you don't even need cd 1 if you have innerwebs access |
| 10:07.29 | SlayerXP | you need to net install image which clock in at ~130M |
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| 10:07.33 | SlayerXP | clocks |
| 10:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | psycho23, there might be people who want to install Debian on a computer without internet, no? |
| 10:08.04 | ethanol | good mornin' all! |
| 10:08.22 | psycho23 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but who's gonna burn 31 cds? |
| 10:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | psycho23, and low-end computers without DVD drive.... |
| 10:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | people who can't afford the alternetives? |
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| 10:09.00 | psycho23 | yeah, but ya might as well have 3000 floppy images too |
| 10:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | psycho23, you might also /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
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| 10:10.14 | arctanx | psycho23: you can always buy them too |
| 10:10.29 | arctanx | the CD set that is |
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| 10:11.41 | psycho23 | CutMeOwnThroat: I was questioning the absurdity, and plus, why don't the vendors sell 1 Debian CD? Why do they all have to sell more than 1? It's so expensive. |
| 10:12.01 | psycho23 | it's like $15 |
| 10:12.32 | arctanx | who's going to buy one cd? (a) it's probably not going to have all the packages you want unless you're a very generic user (b) it's very easy to get somebody, anybody, to download and burn it for you if you can't yourself |
| 10:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... can put a man directly into bankruptcy can $15. |
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| 10:13.53 | psycho23 | 1 CD is an option for those that have a dot-matrix printer and a CD-ROM drive and a 2GB hard drive. |
| 10:14.24 | arctanx | trolled. sigh. |
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| 10:14.58 | finetic | I would like to setup a virtual machine on my debian system.. how can I best do this? |
| 10:15.05 | finetic | I prefer Sun Virtualbox |
| 10:15.16 | finetic | Can I just download it and install the GUI version of it |
| 10:15.44 | arctanx | finetic: there are packages, see virtualbox-ose |
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| 10:15.55 | arctanx | I've run it before, it had a GUI |
| 10:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you should read up on what a troll is, though... the point of a troll is that of making one comment that gets everyone else to fight with each other until oblivion, you're not supposed to keep running behind things yourself. merely having a strange opinion doesn't qualify |
| 10:16.24 | arctanx | CutMeOwnThroat: oh you nearly had me there :) |
| 10:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | just saying! |
| 10:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not only something impolite to say, much worse, it's imprecise! |
| 10:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 10:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | incorrect, even |
| 10:18.47 | finetic | arctanx: there are 100s of packages |
| 10:18.52 | finetic | arctanx: how do I know which I should pick? |
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| 10:19.27 | arctanx | huh. "aptitude search virtualbox | wc -l" gives me "10" |
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| 10:19.52 | ChrisW1 | Hi All |
| 10:19.57 | arctanx | the one named "virtualbox-ose" without any extra modifiers on the end of it should be a good start for you |
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| 10:20.23 | arctanx | chances are it installs others as well |
| 10:20.34 | psycho23 | This is a retarded scenario: BillyJoe: "SSSOOO I'm gonna go to antarctica offline and so I want to bring my DEBIAN SYSTEM and be able install essential software...*Google sarches* OH LOOK...I have to burn...........31 CDs.............. *melts*" |
| 10:20.40 | ChrisW1 | I'm looking to redirect all output from a cron job to a file, I currently have "/my/script > /some.log" but that doesn't capture stuff written to stderr. How do I do that? |
| 10:20.57 | arctanx | ChrisW1: 2> /some_err.log |
| 10:21.10 | arctanx | rather /my/script > /some.log 2>/some_err.log |
| 10:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | psycho23, nobody forces you to do it... time to move on |
| 10:21.18 | ChrisW1 | arctanx: cool, how do I send them both to the same log? |
| 10:21.20 | psycho23 | no, there's no moving on! |
| 10:21.39 | psycho23 | There must be better reasons why the number of debian cds is not 5...oh there are! from the vendors |
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| 10:21.43 | arctanx | ChrisW1: it's like 2&1 or something. look up stderr redirection in bash |
| 10:21.44 | psycho23 | ok I rest my case... |
| 10:21.56 | ChrisW1 | arctanx: will do, thanks! |
| 10:22.00 | arctanx | no worries |
| 10:22.40 | arctanx | oh I just found it |
| 10:22.44 | arctanx | script &> /log |
| 10:22.53 | ChrisW1 | me too :-) |
| 10:23.21 | psycho23 | I wish the CDs were labeled... "games here" "X11 stuff" "apache/php/perl/perlmodules" "Firefox" "blah blah blah blah" |
| 10:24.07 | psycho23 | I wish there was a way to create my own CDs for chunks of types of software. |
| 10:24.27 | psycho23 | Maybe like: "most popular" |
| 10:24.43 | psycho23 | or "debian favorites" |
| 10:24.43 | finetic | arctanx: ok, its also GUI ? |
| 10:24.54 | arctanx | finetic: It was when I last installed it, yes |
| 10:25.05 | arctanx | psycho23: Sure is. Download debs yourself and make some CD images |
| 10:25.38 | arctanx | Make a package index and you can use it as a repo in sources.list |
| 10:26.00 | psycho23 | I've probably only tapped into the descriptions of maybe 5% of the whole debian packages, it would take, 1.3 years but then by then the packages would've changed. |
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| 10:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | see how lucky you are, debian only releases every 2-3 years |
| 10:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you should delve into those descriptions right now |
| 10:27.20 | psycho23 | well...it looks like I have my work cut out for me |
| 10:27.41 | psycho23 | before I go on my antarctica trip |
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| 10:28.30 | psycho23 | i'll have to bring a boat load of car batteries to keep my desktop powered up |
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| 10:29.02 | Gottaname|Mobili | why car batts? no jenny? |
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| 10:29.37 | psycho23 | what am I santa claus? |
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| 10:30.50 | psycho23 | plus the lead poisoning from the batteries should help me kill fish |
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| 10:37.06 | finetic | what is considered the best ftp server for debian ? |
| 10:37.10 | finetic | Proftpd? |
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| 10:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !best |
| 10:39.00 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 10:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | vsftp? |
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| 10:40.18 | Tux^verdreif^60 | i use pureftpd |
| 10:40.27 | Tux^verdreif^60 | because of its features. |
| 10:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can I see what unicode character \u21d2 is... can I just echo it with bash? |
| 10:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not |
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| 10:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rightwards double arrow! |
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| 10:46.45 | neil_d | I have a SBC when I try to do a "modprobe fuse" I get the error "FATAL: Module fuse not found."... but when I do "apt-get install libfuse2" I get "libfuse2 is already the newest version." any ideas what is going on. |
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| 10:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | the module is part of the kernel, not of libfuse |
| 10:47.37 | xyan | CutMeOwnThroat: perl -e 'print "\N{U+21D2}\n"' :-) |
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| 10:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | xyan, ha. what's \N{}? never seen it before |
| 10:49.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily that gives me â as a result |
| 10:49.49 | xyan | http://perldoc.perl.org/perlunicode.html |
| 10:49.54 | xyan | used to use \N |
| 10:50.00 | xyan | well can do it with \x{} as well |
| 10:50.08 | xyan | depends on your selected font |
| 10:50.10 | neil_d | CutMeOwnThroat: oh! can I get a loadable module |
| 10:50.18 | xyan | might have another encoding |
| 10:50.25 | xyan | terminus gives me a => |
| 10:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oi, there's man perlunicode, perluniintro, perlunifaq and perlunitut now... thise manpages are like coat-hangers |
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| 10:53.49 | simonrvn | someone should tell that coolbhavi to not irc as root... |
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| 10:55.37 | evilgenius101 | I'm using lenny, and Gnome's drag n drop isn't working....is it a debian specific issue? |
| 10:56.31 | psiklops | simonrvn: what if he was using something like DSL-Live.... wouldn't he have been automatically root |
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| 10:57.42 | frol | hi* |
| 10:57.47 | neil_d | what package do I install to get the fuse module? |
| 10:57.47 | frol | i have an issue |
| 10:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | evilgenius101, check the bts |
| 10:57.57 | frol | i have a pci network card |
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| 10:58.21 | frol | she works but is not recognized in network manager |
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| 10:58.42 | evilgenius101 | CutMeownThroat, ok |
| 10:58.46 | frol | so the others apps like evolution liferea pidgin think there is no connection |
| 10:59.21 | blackshirt | hi all :) |
| 10:59.23 | frol | does someone know stg i could do |
| 10:59.44 | blackshirt | frol: what is your pci card.. |
| 11:00.40 | frol | lspci -nn give me 04:03.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10) |
| 11:00.49 | frol | i checked 813 |
| 11:00.59 | frol | 8139too is in lsmod |
| 11:01.32 | frol | it is on eth1 |
| 11:01.36 | blackshirt | exactly, same with mine : 01:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10) |
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| 11:01.57 | frol | blackshirt: you have a solution? |
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| 11:07.29 | lynx | Are there any good game hacking programs for Linux? |
| 11:07.54 | iceroot | Guest83771: what is a game hacking program? |
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| 11:10.12 | psiklops | i want to make a small installation, with a ppp conection ( usb-modeswitch + data, wvdial, ppp ) with a UMTS-USB-Stick. The plan is to install the all the necessary packages to the PC without a Internet-Connection. Is there a way to apt-get / aptitude download these packagaes with dependencies so i can install them to the other PC? |
| 11:10.55 | f8l | psiklops: Yes. aptitude download. |
| 11:11.24 | f8l | psiklops: Or `apt-get -d install`. |
| 11:11.51 | psiklops | f8l: aptitude download will dowload the dependencies also? |
| 11:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | psiklops, several... /msg dpkg apt offline also /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 11:12.35 | psiklops | thanks |
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| 11:18.46 | neil_d | I am using 'sarge' (SBC) when I do "modprobe fuse" I get the error "FATAL: Module fuse not found." .... how do I fix it. |
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| 11:22.35 | blackshirt | neil_d: your kernel support fuse ?? check it |
| 11:22.48 | Cholloquy | hello |
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| 11:22.59 | Cholloquy | is there an installer support channel? |
| 11:23.36 | neil_d | blackshirt: how do I check that? |
| 11:23.37 | Cholloquy | my dell r710 locks up as soon as the installer starts (language select screen) |
| 11:23.45 | abrotman | which installer? |
| 11:23.53 | Cholloquy | squeeze |
| 11:23.57 | psiklops | f8l: well i tried aptitude download ppp and all i got was the ppp_2.4.5-4_i386.deb no dependecies / apropo, i am downloading the packages via a PC with internet connection |
| 11:23.58 | Cholloquy | latest |
| 11:25.04 | Cholloquy | when i launch it with noapic i getall the languages but cant select stuff. without noapic only english appears |
| 11:25.12 | Cholloquy | but still locks up |
| 11:25.21 | Cholloquy | anything else i could try? |
| 11:26.00 | Cholloquy | (cant num-lock, so i guess its not an usb issue) |
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| 11:26.40 | Cholloquy | and sorry i'm on a mobile phone right now. excuse the style :) |
| 11:26.46 | blackshirt | neil_d : check with this : cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep FUSE |
| 11:26.52 | f8l | psiklops: I thought aptitude download was the same as apt-get -d install... Try the other one. |
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| 11:27.05 | Guest67622 | What's a good game hacking program for Linux |
| 11:27.14 | abrotman | Cholloquy: "latest" isn't very descriptive .. there are numerous .. what was the ISO name? |
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| 11:27.21 | f8l | psiklops: It'll not download dependencies you already have installed, or are in cache. |
| 11:27.25 | Cholloquy | beta1 |
| 11:27.30 | Cholloquy | and amd64 |
| 11:27.49 | psiklops | apt-get -d also ? |
| 11:27.57 | abrotman | Cholloquy: you could also try the 'daily' installer .. but there is #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. |
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| 11:28.25 | Cholloquy | i'll trythe daily one, thanks |
| 11:28.39 | f8l | psiklops: What do you mean? |
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| 11:29.02 | abrotman | Cholloquy: this is where CD-RW comes in handy :) |
| 11:29.21 | Cholloquy | well i'm booting from |
| 11:29.22 | Guest67622 | What's a good game hacking program for Linux |
| 11:29.22 | Cholloquy | usb |
| 11:29.25 | Cholloquy | :) |
| 11:29.33 | Guest67622 | where do I get usb |
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| 11:29.41 | psiklops | f8l: you suggest to use apt-get -d install , does that command also only download the package if the dependencis are already installed |
| 11:29.49 | Cholloquy | could |
| 11:29.57 | Cholloquy | this be an issue abrotman? |
| 11:30.20 | abrotman | Cholloquy: it could be .. but the people on #debian-boot might know more |
| 11:30.26 | Cholloquy | alright |
| 11:30.35 | abrotman | psiklops: yes |
| 11:30.47 | abrotman | Guest67622: try ##linux |
| 11:30.52 | neil_d | blackshirt: there are no /boot/config* files. |
| 11:30.59 | psiklops | and i a schroot enviroment ? |
| 11:31.06 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 11:31.06 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 11:31.32 | f8l | psiklops: Yes, but aptitude downloads only one package, so try apt. And APT downloads to /var/cache/apt/archives/, not the current directory, unless you set an option... |
| 11:31.51 | blackshirt | neil_d: are you sure ?? |
| 11:32.19 | blackshirt | neil_d: this is output on my place : CONFIG_FUSE_FS=m |
| 11:33.02 | neil_d | blackshirt: yes! there are just 3 files all ending in .rbf |
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| 11:33.53 | blackshirt | are you using debian system ?? |
| 11:33.54 | neil_d | blackshirt: I have downloaded the source trying to de-compress atm, and compile. |
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| 11:37.34 | neil_d | blackshirt: yep! it is sarge on a SBC |
| 11:37.44 | blackshirt | on my debian system, fuse support was compiled as module.. |
| 11:38.17 | Guest67622 | where do I get usb! |
| 11:38.18 | Guest67622 | What's a good game hacking program for Linux |
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| 11:38.31 | Guest67622 | like GameHack, Game Trainer, Cheat Engine, or the commercial GAME SHARK! |
| 11:38.32 | blackshirt | neil_d: i'm sory neil_d.. what version debian kernel are you using ?? |
| 11:38.51 | abrotman | Guest67622: Do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 11:39.18 | Guest67622 | This is a Debian related question |
| 11:39.22 | Guest67622 | is there a Game Hacking program |
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| 11:39.52 | Guest67622 | I SAID IS THERE A GAME HACKING PROGRAM! |
| 11:40.11 | pallgone | NO NEED TO SHOUT |
| 11:40.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | lots of programs to help you write games |
| 11:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | *cough* |
| 11:40.53 | Cholloquy | what a retard :) |
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| 11:45.26 | xinming | anyone here uses openvz kernel in debian? |
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| 11:48.05 | abrotman | xinming: many people .. is that all you wanted to know? |
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| 11:48.26 | xinming | abrotman: I just want to know, how do we mount the cifs with openvz kernel. |
| 11:48.39 | xinming | asked in #openvz, few people replied |
| 11:48.53 | xinming | the hard ware node |
| 11:49.01 | neil_d | blackshirt: "uname -a" = "Linux ts7800 2.6.21-ts #1 PREEMPT Fri Oct 10 10:20:42 MST 2008 armv5tejl GNU/Linux" |
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| 11:49.11 | xinming | when I try to mount, I got "Operation not permitted" |
| 11:49.13 | abrotman | xinming: you mean with fstab? isn't there a mount.cifs ? |
| 11:49.14 | xinming | error |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | xinming: as user or root? |
| 11:49.25 | xinming | abrotman: Yes, with root |
| 11:49.55 | BenNZ | hi, im having trouble adding a menu entry for debian squeeze xfce , i made a desktop file in /home/ben/.local/share/applications , but it doesnt show in the menu, yet if i double click it launches the program, any idea of what im doing wrong here is my desktop file http://pastebin.com/CPiieQNY |
| 11:49.59 | xinming | abrotman: with root user, I try to mount cifs filesystem remotely, and got the "operation not permitted" error |
| 11:50.01 | abrotman | xinming: i would imagine it's not an issue with the kernel .. did you try booting a regular kernel and see if it works ? |
| 11:50.20 | xinming | abrotman: I did, with the default debian kernel, It worked fine. |
| 11:50.30 | abrotman | interesting .. |
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| 11:51.50 | blackshirt | neil_d: i think your kernel used has fuse support... is that right ?? |
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| 11:52.26 | xinming | abrotman: Do you want to see the strace log for mount? |
| 11:52.34 | abrotman | might be useful, paste.debian.net |
| 11:52.45 | neil_d | blackshirt: I downloaded fuse-2.8.5 it seemed to compile and install fine... but the modprobe is still failing. |
| 11:53.35 | xinming | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/98918/ |
| 11:54.04 | blackshirt | neil_d: can you locate where is your fuse.ko.. kernel modul for fuse support |
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| 11:59.00 | neil_d | blackshirt: there doesn't appear to be one! "find / -name fuse.ko" didn't return anything.... how! .... I just recompiled the source. |
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| 12:01.37 | crono- | So squeeze supports BSD kernels, why and how? |
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| 12:02.19 | blackshirt | it reside on /lib/modules/your-kernel-version/kernel/fs/fuse/ directory. .check it |
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| 12:03.00 | crono- | I know theres been some cross-support for binaries, such as running ELF binaries in BSD environments, but why replace the entire kernel.. is it debian (GNU/linux) anymore at all then? |
| 12:06.23 | xinming | abrotman: Do you have any clue on the error log please? |
| 12:06.31 | abrotman | xinming: let me look, moment |
| 12:06.54 | abrotman | xinming: it's giving a permissions error from what i can tell |
| 12:07.41 | abrotman | might be useful to compare it to a mount from the regular kernel |
| 12:07.45 | xinming | abrotman: Yes, But just curious why people in #openvz says We shouldn't have this problem. |
| 12:08.01 | xinming | hm, I'll try with regular kernel. |
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| 12:09.42 | abrotman | xinming: have you tried other share and/or other mount points? |
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| 12:10.38 | xinming | abrotman: yes |
| 12:10.46 | xinming | I'll reboot |
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| 12:12.33 | blackshirt | crono: it uses different kernel |
| 12:13.08 | blackshirt | neil_d: still there ?? |
| 12:13.53 | neil_d | blackshirt: how come when I compile the fuse-2.8.5 I don't end up with a fuse.ko file? |
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| 12:14.55 | blackshirt | what the result ?? i am no have experience with it |
| 12:16.10 | freeday | there is aint no variant for debian as debian server or debian desktop? was debian desktop(with GUI) already used as debian server? |
| 12:16.10 | xinming | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/98919/ <--- This is the good log |
| 12:16.21 | xinming | abrotman: I mean, mount cifs succeed |
| 12:16.59 | rozie | freeday: there's one Debian, with different packages |
| 12:17.15 | abrotman | xinming: and they're identical until that error |
| 12:17.33 | abrotman | well, not identical .. but "close enough" i suppose |
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| 12:17.49 | freeday | so is lenny as my debian server? |
| 12:17.50 | xinming | abrotman: yes, around line 63 |
| 12:18.05 | xinming | abrotman: seems still no clue on where we did wrong. :-) |
| 12:18.15 | abrotman | we? :) |
| 12:18.30 | rozie | freeday: don't ask us what is installed on your machine |
| 12:18.37 | neil_d | blackshirt: I got a lib/fuse.lo and a lib/fuse.o but after the compile no fuse.ko file... |
| 12:18.39 | blackshirt | freeday: instead different release.. i think it more better reside on one huge repos |
| 12:18.51 | xinming | abrotman: Well, I mean me. |
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| 12:18.58 | xinming | #openvz is a bit quiet. |
| 12:19.06 | abrotman | xinming: there's a #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net .. ask gently .. it might not be a kernel issue .. show them those two pastes .. see if they have any input (also check the BTS for your kernel) |
| 12:19.08 | xinming | It is supposed to work. |
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| 12:19.16 | blackshirt | freeday: debian is very stable and mature for server |
| 12:19.25 | xinming | abrotman: thanks, I'll go #debian-kernel |
| 12:19.30 | abrotman | xinming: on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:19.39 | xinming | abrotman: Ok |
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| 12:20.48 | blackshirt | neil_d: make install it, not copying to system lib directory ?? |
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| 12:21.31 | freeday | id just downloaded : debian-506-amd64-DVD 1.iso, i thought its environment was all black and white, when I installed it was GUI that looks like for desktop, since im looking for debian server, i would assume this would be what debian server looks... |
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| 12:22.27 | blackshirt | freeday: you can remove the desktop environtment fully and go to black and white terminal totally |
| 12:22.57 | rozie | freeday: you can choose roles (predefinied packages sets) during installation |
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| 12:23.31 | neil_d | blackshirt: but I haven't... once the compile is done... there is no fuse.ko file in the compile directory... |
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| 12:23.58 | freeday | ok...im just confused maybe i just downloaded the desktop one...maybe i choosed GUI during installation...but this would be fine to run as my server...let say long term...? |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | freeday: you can install a desktop or a server with the same installation media .. it just depends which options you choose |
| 12:24.30 | freeday | ok |
| 12:24.51 | psiklops | can i also paste a .txt file as tar.bz2 since it is 2.5 MB large.... for example in: http://paste.debian.net/ the .txt file is that large :-$ |
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| 12:25.10 | abrotman | just paste the actual txt file |
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| 12:25.57 | f8l | psiklops: No need for tar, since it's a single file. ;-) |
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| 12:26.35 | psiklops | f8l: i get this message when i past: Length of code is not allowed to exceed 90kb |
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| 12:26.44 | psiklops | pastebinit doesnt allow it also |
| 12:27.18 | neil_d | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.31 | Diytto | Hey |
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| 12:27.50 | f8l | psiklops: And is it that small when compressed? |
| 12:28.21 | psiklops | 1.1 MB :-( |
| 12:28.40 | psiklops | i'll look for another solution |
| 12:28.42 | psiklops | brb |
| 12:29.34 | Diytto | What are you compressing? |
| 12:30.05 | psiklops | its a message i got in /var/mail/user |
| 12:30.19 | abrotman | psiklops: uhm, paste.debian.net allows you to upload a file |
| 12:30.22 | Diytto | Oh |
| 12:30.22 | psiklops | informing me about new files add to /lost+found |
| 12:30.38 | psiklops | abrotman: did so already |
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| 12:31.34 | deluxepremium | does the tv tuner MSI DigiVOX mini Deluxe Premium work under GNU/LINUX? |
| 12:31.44 | deluxepremium | http://www.amazon.de/Diverser-DigiVOX-Deluxe-Premium-DVB-T/dp/B003SYX6BK |
| 12:31.56 | deluxepremium | could not find any *specific* linux kernel support for this actual msi model |
| 12:31.59 | neil_d | blackshirt: I am getting so annoyed at this... |
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| 12:34.19 | neil_d | blackshirt: I have tried looking at the options for the configure script... but found nothing relevant. |
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| 12:47.04 | neil_d | I am trying to compile the fuse-2.8.5 source.. but after what appears a correct compile there is not fuse.ko file... why? what do I do to create one? |
| 12:47.40 | abrotman | did you read the build log? |
| 12:47.55 | neil_d | abrotman: no |
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| 12:49.29 | neil_d | abrotman: there doesn't appear to be a build log... where is it.? how do I get one? |
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| 13:05.41 | dokma | is there some easy way to print IP address from which I ssh'd into current shell |
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| 13:06.50 | bolt-work | dokma: echo $SSH_CONNECTION |
| 13:06.54 | themill | dokma: env|grep SSH |
| 13:07.21 | dokma | themill: works |
| 13:07.22 | dokma | thanks mate |
| 13:07.52 | themill | np (same as bolt-work's suggestion, just with a bigger hammer) |
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| 13:09.25 | psiklops | so i finally got it |
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| 13:10.01 | Allanis | Am I still here? |
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| 13:10.03 | psiklops | i got this message in /var/mail/"user" an hour or so ago: http://tinyurl.com/2we32dj |
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| 13:10.17 | Allanis | Sorry, just been hacking away at my mobile broadband device. |
| 13:10.22 | psiklops | its quite big so i had to make it as .ps > .pdf |
| 13:10.53 | kisuke | ok any one have any clue why i cant get debian to boot all the way? i just installed from network install disk, and get standard bootup messages, the screen just goes blank, any ideas? |
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| 13:11.44 | psiklops | the message indicates that some files were added to ( in for of #<numbers> to lost+found |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | kisuke: your video card is? |
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| 13:13.01 | kisuke | abrotman: older nvidia, i had an istall working, but could not remember the username, so i eended up reinstalling (it is supposed to be a HTPC) |
| 13:13.56 | Tau | hi. i downloaded the debian squeeze and i am running it. it is a bit weird since when i try to run some program on terminal gnoma it only runs the program if i have logged as root. so, when i need to run something on terminal i need to log as root. it happens regardless of being the program a simple xchat or a vi editor. |
| 13:14.04 | psiklops | kisuke: do you use a xorg.conf file ? |
| 13:14.31 | kisuke | psiklops: more than likly, have i seen the thing yet? nope |
| 13:15.10 | Tau | how must i proceed to make it run my common programs with no needs of root privilege ? |
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| 13:15.34 | kisuke | Tau: you are using a normal term or a root term? |
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| 13:15.58 | Tau | kisuke, i am using a normal term. |
| 13:16.04 | helo | should people think of 'online privacy' as being nonexistant, regardless of what programs or security techniques they are using? |
| 13:16.17 | Tau | kisuke, but, it asks to be root otherwise it simply says : command not found. |
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| 13:16.47 | Tau | tau@spin:~$ irssi |
| 13:16.47 | Tau | bash: irssi: command not found |
| 13:16.56 | Tau | and, actually, i installed irssi. |
| 13:17.12 | kisuke | psiklops, abrotman: any thoughts? |
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| 13:17.23 | Tau | tau@spin:~$ ls bash: ls: command not found <-- other example. |
| 13:17.48 | psiklops | framebuffer options in grub ? |
| 13:17.59 | blackshirt | Tau: check your PATH environtment |
| 13:18.12 | psiklops | kisuke: ^ |
| 13:18.19 | kisuke | thinks for a minute |
| 13:18.20 | Tau | blackshirt, genial ! |
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| 13:18.32 | Tau | blackshirt, yes. that is causing the problem :P |
| 13:18.36 | Tau | i have noticed it now. |
| 13:18.57 | Tau | tau@spin:~$ echo $PATH PATH:/home/tau/Library/scripts |
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| 13:19.07 | Tau | i exported it wrongly at bashrc :P |
| 13:19.10 | kisuke | psiklops: the only thing i can think of is grub vs. grub2.... *grasps at straws* |
| 13:19.47 | psiklops | hm |
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| 13:20.48 | kisuke | psiklops: thats what i said |
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| 13:21.21 | blackshirt | Tau: :0 |
| 13:21.47 | psiklops | :-) |
| 13:22.27 | kisuke | #:( |
| 13:24.56 | xxtjaxx | Hi just read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=571571 and as if it is fixed can somebody close it? |
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| 13:25.14 | psiklops | kisuke: you have grub2 ? |
| 13:25.55 | stew | xxtjaxx: it is automatically marked as fixed by the upload |
| 13:26.11 | kisuke | psiklops: thats what the working install was running as i recall. |
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| 13:26.28 | stew | xxtjaxx: oh, and it was reopened, but then explicitly marked again as fixed by the last email to the bug |
| 13:26.41 | themill | xxtjaxx: it is closed already |
| 13:26.45 | xxtjaxx | stew: yes yes. though http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html still lists it ? |
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| 13:28.41 | themill | xxtjaxx: probably because the unfixed version is still there for hurd-i386 |
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| 13:29.09 | stew | though that would be an error |
| 13:29.24 | psiklops | kisuke: i have no experience with grub2 but isn*t there a way to boot with a live-cd and reconfigure grub |
| 13:29.32 | stew | since a bug in an unreleasable arch shouldn't show up as rc |
| 13:30.04 | kisuke | psiklops: with daylight, i seem to be thinking a little more coherently, let me try some thing here... |
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| 13:31.00 | stew | bts.tz lists it but marked as fixed |
| 13:31.52 | stew | but only lists it for sid, not squeeze, so yeah, perhaps its the hurd version |
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| 13:35.17 | psiklops | kisuke: i was thing about something like this: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId842078 and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41881&start=30 |
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| 13:37.19 | kisuke | psiklops: i tend to boot my debian "portable"/recovery install/partition on my external HDD from a SGBD, and it start to boot just fine, somewhere around starting xorg things start to go funky |
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| 13:38.03 | xxtjaxx | stew: when its green its fixed? |
| 13:38.29 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:38.34 | xxtjaxx | djura-san: hi |
| 13:38.42 | stew | xxtjaxx: where? |
| 13:38.51 | djura-san | xxtjaxx: hi |
| 13:38.57 | psiklops | kisuke: i found this on downgrading from grub2 to grub: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50132 |
| 13:38.59 | xxtjaxx | str |
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| 13:39.03 | xxtjaxx | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html |
| 13:39.26 | kisuke | psiklops: i formated beofre reinstalling, doubt it applys |
| 13:39.32 | stew | xxtjaxx: that appears to indicate they have the patch tag |
| 13:39.37 | stew | xxtjaxx: which is what the + means |
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| 13:39.54 | stew | xxtjaxx: if you look on bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php it has the F next to it, meaning "fixed" |
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| 13:40.53 | psiklops | kisuke: i also have an older nv card, i generated a xorg.conf and commented the driver section and ... since i couldnt start X out: my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/9pE15GkC |
| 13:40.55 | neil_d | I am trying to compile the fuse-2.8.5 source.. but after what appears a correct compile there is not fuse.ko file... why? what do I do to create one? |
| 13:41.11 | psiklops | kisuke: did the trick |
| 13:41.24 | xxtjaxx | stew: so the one I looked at is basically outdated ? |
| 13:41.32 | kisuke | neil_d: is there an a.out? |
| 13:41.57 | metalfoo | neil_d: Not that I would know about fuse sources in depth, but perhaps you did compile the userland tools, not the kernel module. |
| 13:42.04 | kisuke | psiklops: *pulls out ubuntu liveCD* i hate this thing but it works... |
| 13:42.14 | neil_d | kisuke: there doesn't appear so. |
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| 13:43.11 | psiklops | kisuke: thats what its for :) |
| 13:43.15 | neil_d | metalfoo: how would I tell? |
| 13:43.54 | Strogg | hrmmm.. changelog question. When I'm editting my changelog, am I supposed to put the name of the version, ie: squeeze, or do I put testing instead? squeeze seems more sensible, but vim says it's a syntax error and wants stable, testing, unstable. |
| 13:44.19 | stew | neil_d: why are you compiling fuse? do you need a newer version than the one that comes with the debian kernel? |
| 13:44.26 | dokma | anyone knows a way in shell to verify a string consists of specific characters such as numbers, digits and a dash |
| 13:44.38 | dkr | dokma: grep |
| 13:44.43 | kisuke | psiklops: gimme something that i can fiddle with and not break |
| 13:44.48 | metalfoo | dokma: grep |
| 13:44.53 | dokma | thanks! |
| 13:45.26 | neil_d | stew: I am trying to get it working for an arm SBC... the supplied system 'sarge' doesn't have the fuse.ko module and I want to use encfs |
| 13:46.35 | psiklops | :-) |
| 13:46.43 | themill | dokma: bash has regex capabilities too, but sticking that output through sed or grep would probably be easier (and do all your steps in one hit) |
| 13:47.15 | dokma | themill: yeah it dawned on me when everyone and their aunt responded grep ;) |
| 13:47.48 | stew | neil_d: realize that support for sarge ended in 2008 |
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| 13:49.31 | anisfarhana | hello :) |
| 13:50.26 | neil_d | stew: wow!... but that is what this board comes with... I am not sure if can be upgraded... atm I just need fuse to work so I can get encfs to work. |
| 13:51.04 | psiklops | ok, new start: almost 2 hours ago i got a message in /var/mail/ containing this: http://pastebin.com/fRmz3wzp the files read ( # cat /lost+found/* > lost.txt , this file is 2.5 MB large, so i printed it with jedit to a .ps file and converted to .pdf ) http://blauefuesse.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/out.pdf i have no idea what this is about :-$ |
| 13:51.45 | stew | neil_d: if it comes with 5 year old software that cannot be upgraded, I'd return it. |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | psiklops: what do you want us to look at here? |
| 13:52.01 | psiklops | abrotman: what does it mean |
| 13:52.27 | psiklops | since i an entcountering something i have never seen before, and its strange |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | the files look like browser cache .. not really sure |
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| 13:53.01 | neil_d | stew: I don't know if it can't... but its working atm... so I haven't put much attention on it... |
| 13:53.02 | abrotman | except the gconf? |
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| 13:54.58 | psiklops | abrotman: is it ok to delete the files from /lost+found |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | that's up to you .. does your system work like you think it should? |
| 13:57.07 | psiklops | abrotman: i did a e2fsck before last boot, since i was prompted to |
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| 13:57.24 | abrotman | might do another |
| 13:57.32 | psiklops | ok :D |
| 13:57.52 | psiklops | then, see you then |
| 13:57.56 | psiklops | thanks |
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| 14:48.51 | ArKaItZ | hello everybody |
| 14:49.18 | ArKaItZ | is there somebody using kde in squeeze? |
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| 14:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anybody using kde in squeeze |
| 14:50.45 | ArKaItZ | yes :P ok, thank you :D |
| 14:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 14:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone using kde in squeeze |
| 14:50.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses kde in squeeze, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there we go |
| 14:51.11 | phik | whats this is true |
| 14:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:51.32 | ArKaItZ | ok, thank you! |
| 14:51.53 | neil_d | I have a system running 'sarge' is there a way I could upgrade to a more current version? |
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| 14:52.18 | phik | change the repos in sources.list and update? |
| 14:52.44 | phik | or use back ports for some packages |
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| 14:53.17 | petemc | neil_d: its generally safer not to skip realeases when upgrading, you could upgrade it to etch via archive.debian.org, then to lenny |
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| 14:55.15 | ypnos | how to find package that owns a file on a debian machine (_not_ on the internet) |
| 14:55.27 | stew | ypnos: dpkg -S filename |
| 14:55.52 | neil_d | petemc: so I have "deb ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian sarge main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list... I suppose I just change the 'sarge' to 'etch' and do a "apt-get update" then a "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 14:56.00 | iceroot | ypnos: dpkg -S for installed packages, apt-file for alle packages in the repo |
| 14:56.43 | stew | neil_d: not that simple, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:57.51 | finetic | how do i check in debian whether my install is x64 or x86 |
| 14:58.00 | ypnos | thank you somewhat missed the option in the manpage |
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| 15:00.12 | nkuttler | finetic: dpkg-architecture |
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| 15:02.32 | stew | finetic: see if "file /bin/ls" tells you ls is a x86 or x86_64 binary |
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| 15:06.14 | finetic | 32bt |
| 15:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | Does the USB/Netinst have the ability to shrink a w7 partition? |
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| 15:15.04 | sc30317 | I am trying to do a net install. I set up a mirror of lenny using apt-mirror. When I do an http install, and point the installer to the address, I get the following error message: choose-mirror[3885]: WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (lenny) |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: FWIW, i did that with gparted |
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| 15:15.22 | sc30317 | can anyone help? |
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| 15:17.17 | bolt-work | is there a way to forward a range of ports with ssh? i'm trying to forward port 20000-30000 to the other end of the tunnel |
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| 15:17.45 | Lantizia | Hey can anyone name any other NAS type packages/distro's that use genuine Debian? (I know of OMV and CrytpNAS to far) |
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| 15:18.13 | bolt-work | always ask for Genuine Debian (tm) |
| 15:19.22 | stew | i'm not sure I even now what that means |
| 15:19.31 | bolt-work | it sells more windows copies |
| 15:19.34 | bolt-work | i think |
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| 15:19.53 | phik | lol |
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| 15:21.06 | finetic | does anyone know a good unrar tool for debian? |
| 15:21.17 | bolt-work | "unrar" seems to work pretty well |
| 15:21.17 | finetic | package unrar-free gives some strange error |
| 15:21.27 | finetic | bolt-work: you mean unrar-free? |
| 15:21.32 | bolt-work | it's in contrib or non-free somewhere |
| 15:21.44 | stew | finetic: why are you using rar instead of a free archive format? |
| 15:22.03 | finetic | stew: what do u mean? |
| 15:22.37 | stew | finetic: i mean, i don't understand why people use rar, when there are other archive formats that don't actually cost you money to create |
| 15:22.56 | phik | well it is possiable that he is trying to unrar somthing |
| 15:22.58 | stew | finetic: if it were me, I'd ask whomever you are getting the rar from to distribute their software in a more sane format |
| 15:23.10 | phik | and he has no control over what other compress there files with |
| 15:23.15 | finetic | phik: right |
| 15:23.38 | phik | what this "weird error" anyway |
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| 15:24.03 | stew | if someone was sending me software in rar format, i'd question their sanity |
| 15:24.30 | phik | its not easy being non-free |
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| 15:24.33 | finetic | phik: 1 Failed |
| 15:24.45 | finetic | phik: dont know where i can find errors |
| 15:24.58 | bolt-work | finetic: further up. that one says 1 file failed to extract |
| 15:25.05 | bolt-work | finetic: it might actually be broken, though |
| 15:25.09 | finetic | its not |
| 15:25.15 | finetic | i just tested it with windows xp winrar, no errors |
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| 15:26.09 | phik | you checked the hash to confirm that it is actully a complete file? |
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| 15:27.00 | finetic | phik: yes |
| 15:27.12 | finetic | i get it with any rar archive series i try |
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| 15:28.24 | x-ip1 | when i use apt-get install -d ... how can i specify the path ? i mean where the packages are downloaded |
| 15:29.54 | stew | x-ip1: add "-o dir::cache::archives="/path/to/download/dir/" |
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| 15:30.28 | stew | uhh, that might actually need to be Dir::Cache::archives ; i don't know if those variables are case sensitive |
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| 15:30.42 | x-ip1 | excellent ! thanks stew =) |
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| 15:32.01 | CapitanFindus | hi |
| 15:32.08 | finetic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.15 | finetic | to unrar .rar archives? |
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| 15:33.08 | phik | is this the problem you are getting maybe? |
| 15:33.09 | phik | http://packages.debian.org/sid/unrar-free |
| 15:33.13 | phik | >Unrar can extract files from .rar archives. Can't handle some archives in the RAR 3.0 format, only the non-free "unrar" package can do that. |
| 15:33.27 | phik | where as the non-free unrar binary |
| 15:33.35 | phik | http://packages.debian.org/sid/unrar |
| 15:33.36 | finetic | phik: yes i guess |
| 15:33.39 | finetic | thanks |
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| 15:34.31 | CapitanFindus | is gnome 2.30 in squeeze still slow as hell to start up? |
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| 15:36.31 | finetic | phik: in which dir should i put this? |
| 15:37.00 | finetic | phik: /usr/bin? |
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| 15:39.18 | phik | err did you not pull it from the repo with yr package manager |
| 15:39.28 | phik | or you gon and downloaded the .deb of the site |
| 15:39.37 | finetic | the .deb file |
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| 15:39.46 | finetic | how can i i extarct this? never downloaded this file |
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| 15:40.28 | phik | well it would be better to grab the version for your distro |
| 15:40.32 | phik | from its non-free repo |
| 15:40.42 | finetic | phik: how can i do this? |
| 15:40.59 | phik | what version are you using for a start |
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| 15:41.05 | finetic | debian lenny |
| 15:42.01 | phik | ok, now in your sources.list, do you have non-free and contrib repos there as well as main? |
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| 15:42.16 | phik | add them, |
| 15:42.24 | phik | apt-get/aptitude update |
| 15:43.15 | phik | and install then install unrar (non free verion) the ussual way |
| 15:43.25 | finetic | 'aptitude update' |
| 15:43.27 | finetic | this is all? |
| 15:43.33 | dkr | does anyone else find the default icedove composition method of wrapping the lines in the display but not putting newlines in which results in really long lines strange? And further they seem to have removed any of the settings for wrapping in the preferences |
| 15:44.01 | phik | that will update your list of repos, so that it will reconize the new repos (non-free & contrib) that you have just enabled |
| 15:44.12 | phik | then apt-get instal unrar |
| 15:44.16 | phik | *install |
| 15:44.47 | finetic | phik: how do i know which non free repos i should add? |
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| 15:45.20 | phik | its just called non-free |
| 15:45.23 | phik | look one sec |
| 15:45.30 | jhutchins | abrotman: Does gparted work from a usb stick? |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | yes .. they even have a usb image |
| 15:46.10 | karlpinc | abrotman: That's pretty cool. |
| 15:46.19 | jhutchins | Also, when copying the .iso to the usb drive for install, where does it go? /? |
| 15:46.33 | jhutchins | needs to find more of his sticks... |
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| 15:47.09 | phik | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 15:47.14 | phik | is the line you want in your sources list |
| 15:47.46 | stew | don't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror |
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| 15:48.04 | phik | well i use uk.ftp.debian |
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| 15:48.10 | phik | but just for this example |
| 15:48.14 | stew | its a bad example |
| 15:48.25 | phik | k |
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| 15:51.21 | finetic | phik: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 15:51.23 | finetic | but this is good too? |
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| 15:51.47 | abrotman | you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org .. ever |
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| 15:52.41 | abrotman | finetic: use ftp.ua.debian.org .. there is a ukranian mirror |
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| 15:53.52 | finetic | ok |
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| 15:54.52 | jhutchins | Of course LMDE uses ftp.debian.org |
| 15:55.03 | stew | so does mint |
| 15:55.18 | stew | I tried asking them to change it, and it fell on deaf ears |
| 15:55.59 | abrotman | jhutchins: that doesn't make it a good idea .. lots of people do silly things against better advice |
| 15:56.46 | finetic | phik: thanks |
| 15:56.53 | finetic | finally this one works |
| 15:57.03 | finetic | i wonder why they have the old one in package manager anyway |
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| 15:57.40 | phik | cos the version that you needed is non-free |
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| 16:04.23 | finetic | i need to add myself as users to the vboxusers group |
| 16:04.26 | finetic | how can i do this best in linux? |
| 16:04.33 | finetic | for using virtualbox gui |
| 16:04.56 | abrotman | finetic: man adduser |
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| 16:05.06 | llutz | adduser user vboxusers |
| 16:05.22 | abrotman | or just give him the answer so he never learns ... good |
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| 16:05.37 | phik | lol |
| 16:06.06 | llutz | abrotman: i learned: people won't learn |
| 16:06.17 | abrotman | not funny |
| 16:06.23 | phik | finetic: this site seems to be pretty suited to your needs |
| 16:06.23 | phik | http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 16:06.30 | llutz | but true |
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| 16:09.18 | finetic | thx |
| 16:09.28 | tolland | is /etc/hosts.deny the right way to block brute force attacks on dovecot? |
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| 16:10.21 | abrotman | tolland: you'd probably do better with something like fail2ban .. though IMAP opens a lot of connections |
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| 16:10.44 | tolland | I have added xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: ALL, but I am still seeing loads of hits in /var/log/secure and processes used up by brute forcing from my new zealand hacker friend |
| 16:10.50 | karlpinc | tolland: Could be. Depends on how dynamic you want to be. iptables has a rate-limiting block. Or script something with swatch that dynamically modifies iptables rules. |
| 16:11.08 | tolland | i am on a VPS I don't have access to iptables |
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| 16:11.47 | tolland | should an entry in /etc/hosts.deny block a user from all TCP services, or just xinetd services? |
| 16:12.05 | karlpinc | tolland: Any tcpwrapper enabled app. |
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| 16:13.16 | tolland | how to tell of dovecot is tcpwrapper enabled? |
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| 16:14.19 | karlpinc | tolland: I'd expect allow/deny files to be mentioned in the docs, but you could always use ldd and look for the library. |
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| 16:14.42 | SwedeMike | tolland: http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2006-April/012476.html |
| 16:14.48 | darkskiez | whats the correct way now with insserv to start init scripts and correctly consider their dependancies etc |
| 16:14.49 | grayskull | hello |
| 16:15.21 | tolland | its not linked against libwrap |
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| 16:16.29 | jhutchins | tolland: You want to use iptables to block it, preferably at the router. |
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| 16:17.04 | jhutchins | tolland: Blocking it with xinetd still allows a connection to determine that it's blocked. |
| 16:17.26 | SwedeMike | iptables isn't good at doing stuff based on reverse-dns. |
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| 16:17.47 | SwedeMike | which tcpwrappers are. |
| 16:18.28 | jhutchins | SwedeMike: If you're using reverse dns to block a brute force attack you're already sunk. |
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| 16:19.37 | tolland | i have the ip address |
| 16:19.44 | SwedeMike | jhutchins: yes. for that iptables is a better tool. |
| 16:20.03 | tolland | i dont have control of iptables as I am on a hosted VPS box |
| 16:20.27 | SwedeMike | tolland: just route the IP to lo, then the guy wont be able to get TCP up. |
| 16:20.39 | tolland | ok |
| 16:20.50 | tolland | sounds like a plan for the short term, as its killing my imap access |
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| 16:23.55 | tolland | gah, permission denied |
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| 16:27.08 | binarym | hi |
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| 16:28.05 | binarym | anybody would know why, for the Broadcom NetXtreme II chip, firmware to load depends on kernel version ? |
| 16:28.55 | jhutchins | binarym: I think it depends on where it loads it from. |
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| 16:30.21 | binarym | jhutchins: i don't understand what you say |
| 16:30.35 | binarym | for exemple: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/firmware-bnx2 |
| 16:30.58 | jhutchins | binarym: You could read the changelog. |
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| 16:32.48 | jhutchins | It appears asususa.com has been hijacked. |
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| 16:33.34 | binbrain | I have a deb with an install file that puts conf files in places. if I rm the deb and reinstall, the, the install files are not replaced, I have to purge before a reinstall will put the files back. How do I fix that? |
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| 16:34.42 | kenro | OK. First, have patience with my newbness. I've been out of practice for almost a year and forget where all the doc is. |
| 16:34.59 | grayskull | hi i have problems with my wlan. here i summarized what i've done: http://codepad.org/fXgY54hc |
| 16:35.05 | grayskull | hope anyone can help me |
| 16:35.05 | kenro | Second, has everything changed this much? |
| 16:36.15 | kenro | eg one of my gui fm allows me a move or delete optio. wtf? |
| 16:36.25 | binarym | binbrain: have you read this ? http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files |
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| 16:37.02 | binarym | grayskull: did you get the firmware as said in the message ? |
| 16:37.10 | binarym | ha ok sorry ... |
| 16:37.15 | grayskull | yes |
| 16:37.34 | grayskull | i do exactly what i've write down |
| 16:37.38 | binarym | grayskull: when you load you're module |
| 16:37.47 | binarym | is there anything on the dmesg output ? |
| 16:38.00 | kenro | that was a question, people... |
| 16:38.06 | grayskull | i take a look |
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| 16:38.58 | binarym | grayskull: moreover, i didn't saw your chipset on kernel.org page ... |
| 16:38.58 | jaggz | anyone know a good way to sync some text files regularly between linux, windows, and android? |
| 16:39.08 | binarym | grayskull: hmm forget it ... i was looking for the ethernet chip ... tired today |
| 16:39.18 | jaggz | the linux would be a desktop and my laptop, which isn't always connected.. but when it does I want it to sync the files.. I need it to handle merging updates |
| 16:39.25 | hmasterson_work | jaggz: I use dropbox.com |
| 16:39.36 | binbrain | thanks binarym! |
| 16:39.36 | jordanm | jaggz: use a centralized location, eg google docs, and don't worry about the syncing |
| 16:39.38 | jhutchins | kenro: /usr/share/doc, apropos <function> |
| 16:39.39 | grayskull | [ 131.767110] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] |
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| 16:40.07 | jhutchins | !b43 |
| 16:40.07 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. BCM4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) are not supported, ask me about <wl>, <brcm80211>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:40.34 | metalfoo | jaggz: For Android the choices may be limited to what is available, generally rsync may be your choice. |
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| 16:41.19 | jaggz | I'd prefer to not use a public service.. but definitely not one which requires an internet connection during use. |
| 16:41.24 | grayskull | <b43-fwcutter> |
| 16:41.41 | grayskull | how can i ask him about <b43-fwcutter> :) ? |
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| 16:41.56 | binarym | grayskull: /query dpkg |
| 16:42.01 | binarym | grayskull: /query dpkg b43... |
| 16:42.06 | jhutchins | grayskull: /msg dpkg <factoid>, where <factoid> is whatever you're inquiring about. |
| 16:42.15 | grayskull | thx |
| 16:42.21 | jaggz | which is why I am not that happy with the ssh+screen... that and network lag. |
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| 16:45.23 | kenro | jhutchins: apropos??? Of what? Deal is, my filemanagers don't give me, in the rightclick context menu, an option to delete a file, even when I'm the owner. |
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| 16:47.15 | jamesstanley | I haven't tried to burn a CD for a while. I used to type "cdrecord image.iso" and everything was fine and dandy. Now it seems that cdrecord has been replaced with wodim, and at the moment I have got up to "wodim dev=/dev/sr1 image.iso", and I get this output: http://debian.pastebin.com/ZnaLeEKw |
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| 16:47.36 | jamesstanley | I am certain that there is a disk in the drive, and I've even tried two different disks |
| 16:47.39 | jaggz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncML#SyncML_client_connectors_and_plugins |
| 16:48.02 | kenro | jhutchins: ???... oh forget it. |
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| 16:50.47 | kenro | On a (hopefully) saner note what's that plasmoid showing open apps? |
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| 16:56.30 | kenro | Is there a way to get 3/4 plasma panels set where app windows match borders like kicker did? |
| 16:56.39 | grayskull | first of all, thx 4 the link http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43andb43legacy , i remove my manual cutted firmware an try the installation like in these tutorial. everything looks fine, i can load the module with modprob [ 2837.508097] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] but i still can't see the controller with ifconfig / iwconfig |
| 16:56.45 | grayskull | need help again :) |
| 16:57.06 | kenro | 3/4 meaning 3 or 4... |
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| 17:00.29 | Chosi | abrotman: do you care why my squeeze installer froze? :) |
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| 17:01.20 | Chosi | it didn't actually freeze - it just didn't like the cherry g85 i was using. |
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| 17:01.27 | Chosi | plugged an old cherry in, it worked |
| 17:01.37 | Chosi | ridiculous :P |
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| 17:02.17 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to get the serial number of a hdd how do i do that? |
| 17:02.49 | kenro | I want at least a launcher, a utility and a sysadmin bars. Can this be done in plasmaDTE? |
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| 17:07.47 | Paganini | hola a todos |
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| 17:10.15 | kisuke | is there any way to install from a live cd? |
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| 17:14.14 | valdyn | tharkun: hdparm -I /dev/sda |
| 17:14.29 | grayskull | hello again |
| 17:14.34 | abrotman | Chosi: i'd file a bug probably |
| 17:14.36 | abrotman | kisuke: no |
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| 17:15.14 | tharkun | valdyn: thx |
| 17:15.19 | Chosi | abrotman: i'll find someone to reproduce it first |
| 17:15.21 | Chosi | :) |
| 17:15.40 | grayskull | i restart my system and reload the modul b43, but he still can't find my wlan card. |
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| 17:17.51 | kisuke | abrotman: damn ty |
| 17:18.03 | abrotman | didn't we tell you that yesterday? |
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| 17:19.17 | kenro | Can anyone tell me what the applet that shows all your open apps, and allows rapid switchbetween, is called? |
| 17:19.41 | kisuke | abrotman: no, was adiffrent question then, want me to go look it up? |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | nope .. it doesn't matter . the answer is still the same AFAIK |
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| 17:22.32 | tharkun | valdyn: it did not work, since i needed the serial number of the hdd and the raid controller is not letting me get to those |
| 17:22.55 | grayskull | anyone has any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 17:23.20 | Bop | grayskull, compaq mini 1010 ? |
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| 17:23.30 | grayskull | lenovo s10e |
| 17:23.45 | Bop | i had trouble wtih b43 also |
| 17:23.51 | Bop | had to use the old driver |
| 17:23.51 | grayskull | how do you fix it? |
| 17:23.58 | Bop | the kernel one would not work |
| 17:24.13 | Bop | but that's more than 6 months old |
| 17:24.38 | Bop | grayskull, i suggest u try the wifi linux dev channel |
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| 17:25.01 | grayskull | how is the channel name? |
| 17:25.05 | Bop | hmm wait |
| 17:25.12 | zinx | uhoh |
| 17:25.26 | zinx | i just did an update in sid and there were no conflicts to be resolved... this can't be good |
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| 17:27.30 | valdyn | tharkun: then you need the raid controller software or to open the case.. |
| 17:28.01 | abrotman | grayskull: what is uname -r ? |
| 17:28.01 | Bop | grayskull, #linux-wireless |
| 17:28.38 | tharkun | valdyn: It seems it will be easier to open the case at lunch time ;P |
| 17:28.45 | grayskull | thx |
| 17:29.03 | grayskull | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:29.23 | Bop | grayskull, try the 3º party driver |
| 17:29.34 | Bop | i used it with that kernel , from lenny |
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| 17:30.59 | abrotman | grayskull: and which wifi device do you have? |
| 17:31.05 | abrotman | grayskull: lspci -nn |
| 17:31.41 | grayskull | 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
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| 17:32.52 | abrotman | grayskull: you need the kernel from backports.debian.org .. go there and read the instructions and install that kernel and the b43 stuff from there also |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | !tell grayskull about bcm4315 |
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| 17:35.01 | grayskull | thx i will ty it |
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| 17:35.24 | freebird | hello you guys |
| 17:36.00 | kenro | Internet Explorer is baroken. After a few cnet installs, my actual viewable web window shrank to the size of a postage stamp from all the $#@& plug-ins. |
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| 17:40.54 | macrobat | there is no newer ies4linux than 6? |
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| 17:42.13 | freebird | you guys, hello ? |
| 17:42.57 | macrobat | freebird: i am macrobat. you are on-line |
| 17:43.01 | freebird | I've a X over my sound config icon, my sound works ok, alsa installed, allright, I've aalready installed some mixers, even gnome mixer is already installed |
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| 17:43.05 | grayskull | abrotman: which kernel should i install? 2.2.32? |
| 17:43.09 | freebird | how do I get the X out of there |
| 17:43.17 | abrotman | grayskull: did you read the instructions? |
| 17:43.30 | freebird | and get to be able to edit configurations thru that icon on my panel ? |
| 17:43.32 | abrotman | freebird: sounds like it's been muted |
| 17:43.45 | freebird | abrotman, not, it gives the message |
| 17:44.12 | grayskull | yes i put the sourc to my sourc elist and update it |
| 17:44.16 | freebird | abrotman, no module or gstre3ammer sound device found, |
| 17:44.38 | grayskull | you sayed "install that kernel and the b43" |
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| 17:45.23 | grayskull | so i thouht i should update my my kernel and install the driver |
| 17:45.30 | kenro | Anyone here with a deviantart account? |
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| 17:45.51 | abrotman | grayskull: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 .. to start .. then reboot .. then we'll see what else is left |
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| 17:46.57 | freebird | abrotman, any ideas man ? |
| 17:47.05 | abrotman | freebird: install the gstreamer stuff |
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| 17:50.05 | kenro | I have a 3 or 4 gig parti for /usr that is always filling up. This is strange since i really don't have much installed yet. As this has so far stymied my attempts to enable wireless on my lappy, could someone help me? |
| 17:50.13 | freebird | it's already installed |
| 17:50.14 | grayskull | reboot brb |
| 17:50.14 | freebird | abrotman, |
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| 17:50.19 | abrotman | freebird: |
| 17:50.26 | freebird | abrotman, do you know precisely which package should I use ? |
| 17:50.30 | freebird | there are so mnay |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | freebird: you're apparently missing something .. is this in gnome? |
| 17:50.34 | freebird | abrotman, many |
| 17:50.37 | freebird | yes |
| 17:50.38 | freebird | gnome |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | freebird: aptitude install gnome .. does it want to pull in a lot of stuff? |
| 17:51.02 | kenro | I have a 3 or 4 gig parti for /usr that is always filling up. This is strange since i really don't have much installed yet. As this has so far stymied my attempts to enable wireless on my lappy, could someone help me? |
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| 17:51.18 | kenro | Or is not appropriate on #kde? |
| 17:51.32 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:52.40 | freebird | abrotman, I'm using apt-get in here, doe's it make any difference ? |
| 17:53.08 | freebird | abrotman, no, It says it's already installed |
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| 17:54.11 | abrotman | freebird: please use aptitude .. |
| 17:54.20 | kenro | sorry for doublepost... |
| 17:54.22 | freebird | yeah |
| 17:54.29 | freebird | abrotman, nothing, all instralled, |
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| 17:54.40 | abrotman | and this is lenny? squeeze? |
| 17:54.49 | abrotman | does your sound work at all? |
| 17:55.26 | macrobat | kenro: so enlarge that partition, my /usr is atleast 5.5 Gb. you can see what's taking up room with dpigs or gdmap |
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| 17:56.52 | kenro | macrobat:Soon I'll be up to 20 gig... |
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| 17:57.30 | macrobat | dpigs is in the debian-goodies pkg, but maybe you can't install it without room in /usr :D |
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| 17:58.33 | macrobat | maybe you have made some special partitioning layout? |
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| 18:01.18 | stew | kenro: you can "du -kx /usr | sort -n" to see what the biggest things in /usr are |
| 18:01.22 | kenro | macrobat:Install placed /usr in a @#%$600meg parti!!!%$#@ I just spent 8+ hours yesterday with a borrowed gparted. And wtf it ai't big enough yet!!!??? |
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| 18:05.34 | macrobat | 600megs is very small... |
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| 18:08.22 | kenro | stew: Never could find a sort function with du. Now that I know it wasn't there, maybe I'll be more mindful of piped combinations and not drive myself so crazy. I said earlier (perhaps before you joined) that I've been away from hte nix for too long. ;) |
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| 18:09.04 | grayskull | hello again, now im running under 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
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| 18:09.43 | grayskull | it take a while because i have to boot a live sys to rewrite my grub :) |
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| 18:10.48 | grayskull | abrotman: are u still there? |
| 18:10.49 | kenro | Okay seems like kde, doc and locale are taking some 80% of /usr. With kernel compile, that total goes up to about 120%. |
| 18:11.25 | kenro | I can't believe /usr still is't big eough. |
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| 18:15.26 | abrotman | grayskull: yes |
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| 18:18.32 | grayskull | at the moment i uninstall b43-fwcutter, wireless-tools, to install it again |
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| 18:25.58 | abrotman | grayskull: next time, use paste.debian.net |
| 18:26.12 | grayskull | ok :) sry |
| 18:26.15 | abrotman | grayskull: see the URL the bot gave you |
| 18:26.21 | abrotman | !tell grayskull about bcm4315 |
| 18:26.41 | jhutchins | kenro: This is why a single partition is the best choice until you know for sure exactly how much space you need where. |
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| 18:27.02 | grayskull | k |
| 18:28.15 | jhutchins | kenro: I dunno why you're having trouble though, my whole installation is less than 5G. |
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| 18:28.31 | stew | or use lvm and leave yourself unallocated extents, so you can grow whichever partitions need it as needed |
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| 18:30.46 | kenro | jhutchins: Counterintuitive, or catch22. And the second comment is from what's been driving me crazy. It should work as is. Maybe there's an evil Microsost trap that pads the hd with cruft if win7 is removed. Or maybe I did something I should't have. |
| 18:31.51 | kenro | afk |
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| 18:32.57 | kisuke | xorg.conf is where in /etc/? |
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| 18:35.36 | stew | kisuke: /etc/X11 if it exists at all (its no longer neccessary much of the time) |
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| 18:36.30 | jhutchins | du -sh /usr is certainly taking some time here... |
| 18:37.31 | kisuke | ok, stew great, i have a AWOL GDM, its active, but i get nothing from it, any ideas? |
| 18:37.40 | stew | jhutchins: /usr/ isn't its own partition? |
| 18:38.39 | stew | kisuke: meanning it is running but you don't see it? |
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| 18:39.28 | kisuke | stew: exactly |
| 18:39.50 | stew | kisuke: do you see anything? are you on a vt? |
| 18:39.55 | jhutchins | Not here, as I have often said I don't like partitioning. |
| 18:40.26 | kisuke | stew: a black screen, it not no signal, but my screen is getting a lot of black |
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| 18:40.43 | stew | ok, i was just checking that you weren't running a command that would get you the same data as "df -h /usr" would but a lot more slowly |
| 18:40.57 | jhutchins | kisuke: Which release and which graphics chipset? |
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| 18:41.17 | stew | kisuke: what type of monitor? lcd or crt? |
| 18:41.20 | neurolysis | Hi, is there some way to cut first two non whitespace words from a string? |
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| 18:41.28 | neurolysis | I assume that can be done using cut, but I can't work out how to do it |
| 18:41.33 | stew | kisuke: i'm wondering if its sending a signal your monitor cannot display |
| 18:41.38 | jhutchins | /usr is 2.2G here. |
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| 18:41.54 | kisuke | stew: LCD TV over VGA, it was working the other day, but i forgot wat username i gave it and ended up reinstalling |
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| 18:42.36 | stew | neurolysis: cut -d\ -f1,2 |
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| 18:43.09 | stew | kisuke: check what resolution its trying to use and see if its one your lcd can display |
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| 18:44.30 | kisuke | stew: i cant think of a way to veiw it on a CLI ATM, |
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| 18:44.41 | stew | kisuke: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 18:45.03 | stew | kisuke: oh, you mean to determine it? you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" |
| 18:45.11 | stew | or "DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo" |
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| 18:46.24 | kisuke | stew: i use ctrl+alt+f2, so "DISPLAY=:0 xpdyinfo" at a VT will tell me the resolution? |
| 18:46.59 | stew | yes |
| 18:47.14 | stew | kisuke: or xarandr, which you can also use to change the resolution |
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| 18:51.23 | kisuke | stew: does xarandr need root? |
| 18:51.29 | stew | kisuke: no |
| 18:51.32 | stew | oh |
| 18:51.39 | stew | if you aren't logged in yet it would |
| 18:51.48 | kisuke | as root or period? |
| 18:52.26 | stew | xrandr would need to run as root if nobody was logged in, I suppose |
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| 18:53.08 | kisuke | stew: im logeged in as a user on vterm2, that count, or would i need to su it? |
| 18:54.11 | stew | kisuke: what do you mean "that count" ? |
| 18:54.31 | kisuke | does that count [as logged in] |
| 18:54.35 | stew | no |
| 18:54.44 | kisuke | kk |
| 18:55.15 | kisuke | as soon as i can wrestle the TV back from the idiot who thinks he has to play the xbox now.... |
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| 18:56.37 | psiklops | how do i get network-manager to not load on boot, or the otherway around, my PCMCIA WLan conflicts with network-manager... asoon as i /etc/init.d/networ-manager stop and my Card restart, it works.... :-| |
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| 19:03.41 | psiklops | kisuke, hi again, are youstill here because of your nvidia card ? |
| 19:04.31 | kisuke | psiklops: causeit quit working, it worked, and then quit, i think some package updated, and the defaults dont work anymore... |
| 19:05.12 | helo | do you have the linux headers for the kernel version listed by uname -r? |
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| 19:05.52 | helo | kisuke: my nvidia driver installation used to fail every time i upgraded my kernel |
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| 19:06.00 | helo | because the headers weren't being installed |
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| 19:06.58 | kisuke | helo: i cant even get into gnome from a fresh install (as in the fans have not spun down yet) |
| 19:07.08 | psiklops | kisuke, did you do # X -configure ? |
| 19:07.17 | finetic | I am installing Virtual box as HOST on my debian server..the guest I install is Windows Server 2003.. at some point i need to config the network interface |
| 19:07.24 | finetic | I choose for 'Host interface' |
| 19:07.29 | finetic | i mean |
| 19:07.34 | finetic | 'Internal Network' |
| 19:07.42 | finetic | and need to supply a network name then |
| 19:07.44 | finetic | what should that be? |
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| 19:08.23 | kisuke | psiklops: thats the command i was looking for! |
| 19:08.40 | psiklops | kisuke, my old nvidia works with # X -configure then commenting out the driver section and |
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| 19:09.20 | psiklops | driver <--- device |
| 19:09.22 | psiklops | i mean |
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| 19:10.05 | psiklops | kisuke, i took out the whole Section "Device" |
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| 19:12.07 | psiklops | kisuke, # cp the generated file name xorg.conf.new ( i think it was called, in /etc/X11/ as xorg.conf ) and comment out the Section "Device" |
| 19:12.17 | psiklops | kisuke, it should work then |
| 19:12.41 | hochron | I do an 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and youtube still says I need to upgrade it, what do I do? |
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| 19:15.14 | kisuke | psiklops: im working on it, cant get on PC, cause roomie decided that he MUST PLAY HALO REACH NAO!!!!!!1111ELEVEN!!!111!!!!1!! |
| 19:15.39 | jhutchins | kisuke: What about the display you're using here? |
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| 19:15.55 | kisuke | jhutchins: its a LCD TV |
| 19:16.03 | psiklops | kisuke, tough luck :) |
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| 19:16.18 | jhutchins | kisuke: So why not use it? |
| 19:17.26 | kisuke | jhutchins: because my roomate decided he needs to play halo reach... |
| 19:18.21 | kisuke | jhutchins: and he wont let me on to set up the HTPC... |
| 19:18.22 | finetic | Anyone in here ever used Virtualbox on Debian? Did you get networking for any guest working? |
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| 19:19.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:19.24 | grayskull_LAN | hallo again :) |
| 19:19.42 | grayskull_LAN | http://debian.pastebin.com/uSaa556p |
| 19:19.55 | grayskull_LAN | ifconfig recognize my wlan controller |
| 19:20.15 | grayskull_LAN | but i cant connect to a network |
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| 19:20.47 | Fritz_ | hi |
| 19:20.58 | Fritz_ | how to install ati grafics ? |
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| 19:21.24 | grayskull_LAN | ifconfig -> http://debian.pastebin.com/cgnLRUkb |
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| 19:22.56 | Fritz_ | how to install ati graphics? |
| 19:23.20 | jhutchins | kisuke: It seems like you could use the display you're using for IRC and get something working there. |
| 19:23.42 | jhutchins | !tell grayskull_LAN about ati |
| 19:23.46 | grayskull_LAN | Fritz_: mabey this is helpfull for u http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 19:24.02 | jhutchins | grayskull_LAN: Whoops, sorry. |
| 19:24.05 | grayskull_LAN | :) |
| 19:24.05 | kisuke | jhutchins: i wish, its my lappy, and i donthave RDP set up on the danged thing (yet, its on the todo list) |
| 19:24.14 | Fritz_ | Is it better to use free or nonfree drivers for graphics |
| 19:24.18 | jhutchins | ssh to it and set it up. |
| 19:24.23 | grayskull_LAN | tell me about how to fix my wlan ;) |
| 19:24.41 | kisuke | jhutchins: is ssh installed by default? |
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| 19:25.05 | kisuke | jhutchins: i cant even get a first boot in T_T |
| 19:25.15 | Fritz_ | ist nur mein pc |
| 19:25.17 | Fritz_ | ok |
| 19:25.20 | Fritz_ | Is it better to use free or nonfree drivers for graphics |
| 19:25.27 | kisuke | Fritz_: it depends |
| 19:25.30 | Bushmills | grayskull_LAN: configure wpa_supplicant |
| 19:25.31 | jhutchins | Ah well. Time to learn some console commands while roomie plays game. |
| 19:25.32 | stew | free is always better! |
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| 19:25.58 | kisuke | jhutchins: relearn, im rusty |
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| 19:26.10 | kisuke | jhutchins: like rm -f / |
| 19:26.11 | jhutchins | grayskull_LAN: More info needed, like what kind of authentication, what release, what desktop... |
| 19:26.24 | Fritz_ | kisuke: what ??? |
| 19:26.26 | kisuke | mmm, rm -fr / ? |
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| 19:26.39 | kisuke | Fritz_: dont do it! |
| 19:26.52 | kisuke | Fritz_: it will nuke your whole FS |
| 19:26.56 | abrotman | kisuke: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 19:27.07 | Fritz_ | kisuke: ok should i use free graphis drirvers? |
| 19:27.10 | abrotman | kisuke: that's your last warning |
| 19:27.18 | grayskull_LAN | wpa2 passphrase,release of what, openbox |
| 19:27.36 | grayskull_LAN | using wicd to manage connections |
| 19:27.37 | kisuke | abrotman: i know, i was responding to jhutchins saying to learn bash commands.. |
| 19:27.45 | mynis_ | the dpkg bot just told me to rtfm, lulz |
| 19:27.54 | petern_ | Fritz_, it's up to you. you have the choice. |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | kisuke: that's not funny in any way .. he doesn't know the difference .. don't be an asshole |
| 19:27.59 | kisuke | Fritz_: what do you plan to do, and what is your GPU's brand? |
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| 19:28.11 | Fritz_ | my gpu is HD 3300 i do office and chatting and surfing and mailing |
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| 19:28.21 | abrotman | the radeon driver should work |
| 19:28.31 | kisuke | abrotman: *scratches head* he said *i* should learn them, and i made a wise crack |
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| 19:29.03 | abrotman | kisuke: just don't type it into a channel .. you don't know that someone watching won't try it |
| 19:29.07 | Fritz_ | abrotman: do you mean the free driver ??? |
| 19:29.26 | kisuke | abrotman: good point *apoligizes* |
| 19:29.47 | Fritz_ | my gpu is HD 3300 i do office and chatting and surfing and mailing |
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| 19:30.03 | kisuke | Fritz_: ATI? |
| 19:30.06 | Fritz_ | yes |
| 19:30.09 | jhutchins | kisuke: Light reading to pass the time: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 19:30.34 | Fritz_ | kisuke |
| 19:30.35 | Fritz_ | yes its ati |
| 19:30.43 | mynis_ | does anyone have a recomendation for an older celeron laptop with 200mb-ish ram? i was thinking squeeze lxde but i'm not sure how much ram it idles at |
| 19:30.56 | kisuke | jhutchins: why the hell did you pass me ubuntu documentation? i dont want training wheels weled to the bike |
| 19:30.57 | Fritz_ | mynis: either lxde of xfce |
| 19:31.06 | Fritz_ | it uses 70 mb ram |
| 19:31.09 | mynis_ | thank you =) |
| 19:31.30 | kisuke | Fritz_: you could go either or, but id use the opensource ones, just incase anything goes wrong you can toruble shoot it easier. |
| 19:31.50 | Fritz_ | what kisuke? i am not good in english |
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| 19:32.49 | mynis_ | i recently had to install non-free drivers for my broadcom card in my laptop, the, 32-5 kernel broke the open source ones. spent a couple days troubleshooting it then gave up |
| 19:33.01 | kisuke | Fritz_: it does not matter, but if you have a graphics problem, the open source (free) driver will be easier to eliminate as the problem |
| 19:33.15 | kisuke | mynis_: bcm4312? |
| 19:33.30 | psiklops | kisuke, you can always saw the wheels off |
| 19:33.39 | mynis_ | yeah, the chip is 4312, the id is 4315, i'm sure you knew that though |
| 19:33.41 | jhutchins | kisuke: Because it's not ubuntu documentation, it's CLI documentation hosted by ubuntu, and CLI is not appreciably different among different linuxes. |
| 19:33.45 | Fritz_ | ok ... but how could i install the nonfree driver |
| 19:33.51 | kisuke | psiklops: i did that, thats why im using debian not buntu |
| 19:34.12 | kisuke | jhutchins: just shells :P i tend to bash at problem anyway |
| 19:34.34 | kisuke | jhutchins: and i still find myself tring to use sudo... |
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| 19:34.57 | stew | i tend to zsh at problem |
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| 19:35.13 | mynis_ | in order to install non-free drivers you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:35.30 | Fritz_ | yes and which packages @mynis_ |
| 19:36.34 | mynis_ | i'm going to pm you a log fritz |
| 19:36.44 | Fritz_ | ok thanks please query |
| 19:36.45 | gusnan | kisuke, why not set up debian to use sudo then? |
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| 19:37.23 | kisuke | gusnan: cause i dont want to dig out the sudoers file quite yet, and i dont have the system set up yet. |
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| 19:38.45 | psiklops | mynis_, i have 256 MB / Pentium III (Coppermine) :P 2.6.32 kernel and use fluxbox.... i find fluxbox very comfortable (very easy to configure) |
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| 19:39.24 | mynis_ | it's for a person that has never used linux before, needs to have a gui |
| 19:40.17 | abrotman | mynis_: icewm? |
| 19:40.19 | psiklops | i think icewm is also |
| 19:40.23 | revlo | lxde ? |
| 19:40.24 | psiklops | windows like |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | who cares if it's windows-like? |
| 19:40.47 | mynis_ | i'm probably just going to install debian squeeze lxde |
| 19:41.04 | mynis_ | i tried installing #! 386 and i couldn't get it to boot |
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| 19:41.28 | psiklops | well, since he does say that he's never used linux before, its a close step to switching over |
| 19:41.38 | psiklops | :-) |
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| 19:42.13 | mynis_ | yeah i'm trying to humour him hehe, i think he just needs to be able to browse the web and write text documents and stuff |
| 19:42.45 | jhutchins | Web browsing takes some horsepower these days what with all the java and flash. |
| 19:43.33 | stew | i'm not sure you'd want to use flash or a java enableable browser on such a machine |
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| 19:45.15 | mynis_ | yeh well i'm thinking of just telling him he needs to buy a new laptop |
| 19:45.29 | mynis_ | but i figured i'd try and rescue it, it's worth a shot |
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| 19:45.52 | grayskull | hello again ... damn network. do i have to configure wpasupplicant also, if i use wicd? what do i have to configure there? |
| 19:45.53 | b52 | hey |
| 19:46.04 | b52 | any idea how i can list all installed packages an the repo they come from? |
| 19:46.12 | psiklops | mynis_, you can send it to me if there is no need for anymore :-) |
| 19:46.41 | kisuke | b52: its an option in synaptic |
| 19:46.47 | b52 | cli please |
| 19:46.56 | stew | b52: you can't know which repo came from, you can guess based on where it is available from now |
| 19:47.04 | stew | b52: "/msg dpkg which repo" on how to guess |
| 19:47.19 | b52 | ok, how can i list them without repo? |
| 19:47.26 | stew | err "you can't know which repo a package came from" |
| 19:47.31 | stew | b52: aptitude search '~i' |
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| 19:47.55 | stew | b52: depending on what you want to do with that list, there might be a better answer |
| 19:48.21 | b52 | i need to transfer my server to another box |
| 19:48.21 | miasma | jhutchins: java isn't used that much anymore. you probably mean javascript |
| 19:48.34 | stew | b52: then you want /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 19:50.19 | Fritz_ | how to install fglrx under deiban? |
| 19:51.03 | abrotman | !tell Fritz_ about fglrx |
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| 19:51.22 | tomkap | Fritz_: 2 ways: manual compile or install from repositories with non-free |
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| 19:52.01 | Fritz_ | tomkap : from the repositories but ow |
| 19:52.03 | Fritz_ | *how |
| 19:52.20 | tomkap | are you in debian stable or testing? |
| 19:52.31 | Fritz_ | testing squeeze |
| 19:52.50 | tomkap | wait |
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| 19:54.36 | miasma | btw, does anyone know if flash is hardware accelerated in linux? my debian htpc seemed to use 89% of the cpu power on both cores when watching a single flash video (@ 1080p). the system has geforce 240 & proprietary drivers |
| 19:55.07 | grayskull | hallo again, the problem seems to have nothing to do with wpa2. i set my router to uncrypted und try to connect, the same problem, i don't get a ip. heres my dmes http://debian.pastebin.com/dANQmtKm |
| 19:55.10 | miasma | i guess the card decodes mpeg2 & mpeg4 on hardware |
| 19:55.14 | psiklops | Fritz_, for example like this: http://pastebin.com/Xw2rkQsW add non-free like in the paste |
| 19:55.56 | Fritz_ | psiklops: yes i know! but which packages ??? |
| 19:56.10 | psiklops | Fritz_, then $ aptitude search fglrx |
| 19:56.23 | Fritz_ | ok and then |
| 19:56.31 | psiklops | read |
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| 19:57.07 | kisuke | ok WTF? i just rebooted and now it works fine... |
| 19:57.29 | grayskull | already the first line is strange [ 5905.305216] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready. could something be wrong with the drivers? |
| 19:57.52 | psiklops | Fritz_, $ aptitude show <package> shows information about selected package |
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| 19:58.26 | superlinux | hi. can someone explain to me the duties of a value-added engineer? |
| 19:58.41 | Delaya | i've just installed a fresh lenny on a lenovo w510, but neither the ethernet or the wireless card are recognisd; "ifup eth0" returns SIOCSIFADDR: no such device; any ideas what to do? |
| 19:59.01 | stew | superlinux: is that a debian package? |
| 19:59.01 | superlinux | Delaya, ! |
| 19:59.16 | grayskull | Delaya: same problems here :) |
| 19:59.26 | grayskull | u need driver |
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| 19:59.39 | superlinux | stew, no, just a general question.. like what is an electrical engineer? |
| 19:59.48 | stew | Delaya: does "ip l" list a device named eth0? |
| 19:59.50 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: the output of ifconfig -a; or ip link; will be informative |
| 20:00.01 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: it's not on topic here. As in a general chat channel |
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| 20:00.32 | Delaya | grayskull: i got the driver from http://math.umons.ac.be/an/W510/, but it still doesnt seem to work |
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| 20:01.12 | Delaya | stew: ip l only finds "lo" |
| 20:01.41 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: the output is only for "Local loopback" lo :s |
| 20:01.56 | superlinux | I am not really argueing, but I ask cos it's IT related. and I was mediated to some company so I won the position, but I just want what this position really is? |
| 20:01.58 | grayskull | could anyone look above my dmes an could me tell whats wrong with my wlan0? http://debian.pastebin.com/dANQmtKm |
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| 20:02.18 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: this isn't a general chat channel. It's for Debian only. |
| 20:02.22 | superlinux | ok |
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| 20:02.30 | stew | superlinux: try #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 20:02.39 | superlinux | ok |
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| 20:02.57 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: then you don't have the driver loaded or similar |
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| 20:03.58 | grayskull | what i've done so far: install fresh debian, upgrade kernl to 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 20:03.59 | superlinux | ok then! you want a debian question! here is one! why whenever I update the kernel I always get the grub line "root(hdX,N)" gets messed up?!! |
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| 20:04.05 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: i installed a driver which should work with "dpkg -i <driver filename>", anything else i should do? |
| 20:04.15 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: modprobe it |
| 20:04.17 | grayskull | install b43-fwcutter, install wicd |
| 20:04.18 | superlinux | is does not recognize it correctly |
| 20:05.03 | blocktree | is there any neat solution to run dhclient during boot only if ethernet cable is pluged-in? |
| 20:05.06 | mynis_ | there is that other b43xx package too iirc, the lhppy one or whatever |
| 20:05.26 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: because you're not setting it in the groot section which is what the default kernel list is rebuilt from. |
| 20:05.27 | grayskull | ifcondig recognize wlan0, wicd show me wlan spots around me, but i cant connect to them |
| 20:05.54 | superlinux | it does not follow the boot sequence of the hard disks the same way they are in the bios |
| 20:06.18 | superlinux | ok cool |
| 20:06.24 | dondelelcaro | blocktree: you can use a mapping to do that with a manual method which doesn't actually bring up the device |
| 20:06.26 | superlinux | :) |
| 20:06.32 | dondelelcaro | blocktree: but normally it's not worth worrying about |
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| 20:07.16 | psiklops | grayskull, what kind of chip is you wlan |
| 20:07.35 | mynis_ | i've heard a few say that that secondary open source broadcom package worked right away |
| 20:07.36 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: need reboot after modprobe? |
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| 20:07.55 | blocktree | dondelelcaro: can you be more specific . I have create live debian image and it would be great if I can do this.. |
| 20:07.58 | mynis_ | i just get error codes when trying to install open source broadcom drivers in synaptic ever since the last kernel update |
| 20:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: no |
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| 20:09.12 | dondelelcaro | blocktree: man 5 interfaces; and read about mapping. though honestly, you probably should do something slightly more complicated and try to bring up dhcp on all interfaces which are plugged in by default, but fail after a certain number of retries |
| 20:09.12 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: well still the same "no such device" on issuing ifup eth0 |
| 20:09.27 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: what is the output from ip l; ? |
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| 20:09.49 | dondelelcaro | blocktree: someone may have something which does that already, but it's not a particularly challenging bit of shell |
| 20:10.24 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu .. noop state down |
| 20:10.24 | grayskull | psiklops: 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 20:10.34 | blocktree | dondelelcaro: ok I will look it up. Probabli havig say that give up after 3 tries would be the best.. |
| 20:11.05 | mynis_ | ah here we go "firmware-b43-lppy-installer" was the name of the package, it's in the squeeze repos, might be worth a shot |
| 20:11.26 | grayskull | i give it a try :) |
| 20:11.28 | grayskull | thx |
| 20:12.06 | grayskull | mynis_: do you looked at my dmesg? |
| 20:12.22 | Delaya | grayskull: what driver did u get? |
| 20:12.34 | grayskull | i use b43-fwcutter |
| 20:12.36 | mynis_ | i didn't get a message, i gtg though class just got out =P |
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| 20:12.58 | grayskull | pls have a look http://debian.pastebin.com/dANQmtKm |
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| 20:13.36 | mynis_ | on my laptop eth0 is wired and eth1 is wireless, but i have broadcom-sta installed |
| 20:13.47 | mynis_ | it used to be wlan0 before when i still had the open source driver |
| 20:13.48 | grayskull | ifconfig show me wlan0, wicd also show me the networks, so anything is working :) |
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| 20:14.51 | grayskull | but if i try to connect, wicd hangs for a while, watch paste what is happening |
| 20:14.52 | kenro | When I upgrade my kernel image, do I still need to manual update grub? |
| 20:15.31 | karlpinc | kenro: Not if you're using a debian supplied package or have built the kernel the debian way. |
| 20:15.43 | grayskull | kenro: i upgrade it some ours ago and have to boot with a live cd to reinstall grub in mbr |
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| 20:16.33 | kenro | thn... premmy? grayskull that does't sound good... |
| 20:16.51 | jhutchins | grayskull: Are you using squeeze? |
| 20:17.18 | grayskull | i upgrade kernel over backports |
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| 20:17.56 | kenro | oh backports I ever trust those. Rather take the chance with sid. |
| 20:18.14 | kenro | over backports, ya kno |
| 20:18.32 | simonrvn | um, backports is official now. |
| 20:18.36 | psiklops | grayskull, did you look at: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 20:18.38 | grayskull | using lenny with 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
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| 20:20.42 | grayskull | psiklops: yes already tried, after upgrading to 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 kernl and doing this steps, ifconfig recognize the wlan controller and wicd show me networks around me. but cant connect to them |
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| 20:22.58 | grayskull | psiklops: any idea? can u get any inbformations out of the dmesg? |
| 20:23.17 | adamska | how i can set this option in kernel |
| 20:23.19 | adamska | ONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y |
| 20:23.19 | adamska | > CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION=y |
| 20:23.30 | adamska | what is the way to set this option on debian squeeze? |
| 20:23.54 | adamska | there is a config file or i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 20:24.05 | psiklops | grayskull, didnt even know about that manager :-) paste? |
| 20:24.23 | psiklops | found it |
| 20:24.25 | grayskull | psiklops: http://debian.pastebin.com/dANQmtKm |
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| 20:28.56 | psiklops | grayskull, have you tried to connect without the manager... |
| 20:29.12 | psiklops | by killing it and ifup ing |
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| 20:30.50 | psiklops | grayskull, /etc/network/interfaces ? wpa_supplicant ... |
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| 20:31.38 | grayskull | i dont try to connect without manager, what i have to do with wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:31.46 | frikinz | adamska: you need to rebuid a kernel.. or take the ones already built from unstable or experimental which have it to Y |
| 20:31.51 | nick3 | My program builds to a DEB using a standard debhelper rules file i.e. "%: dh $@". I'd like to add a flag to the make command. How would I go about doing that? |
| 20:32.13 | ScottO_ | can i have some opinions on ext4 and if i should use it for new partitions instead of ext3? |
| 20:32.34 | psiklops | grayskull, it depends how you connect.... i write passphrase and soforth (for WPA) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:32.42 | psiklops | do you have it installed |
| 20:33.18 | grayskull | here is my interfaces http://debian.pastebin.com/KDyzpePd |
| 20:33.18 | grayskull | something is missing? |
| 20:33.48 | psiklops | wlan0 ? |
| 20:33.49 | grayskull | normally i configure passphrase etc in wicd |
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| 20:35.21 | grayskull | brb |
| 20:35.48 | psiklops | grayskull, getting along with network-manager is also my issue today :-D |
| 20:36.11 | ScottO_ | so no one has any ext4 opinions? |
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| 20:38.39 | jhutchins | kenro: Obsolete attitude about backports vs. sid. |
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| 20:39.46 | frikinz | ScottO_: I use it since it is stable. Haven't noticed any big difference, only much faster fsck. Did not get any problem so far although I noticed a few days ago slow throughput when moving big files. |
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| 20:40.07 | jhutchins | ScottO_: If you don't need the extra capabilities I'd wait for it to become more mature. |
| 20:40.25 | frikinz | yes |
| 20:42.48 | kenro | jhutchins: Hey, I've only been away from Linux for a year. |
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| 20:43.44 | ScottO_ | yeah im setting up 3 2TB SATA |
| 20:43.52 | ScottO_ | what new features? |
| 20:43.55 | ScottO_ | :P |
| 20:44.10 | kenro | baited breath? |
| 20:44.21 | ScottO_ | im just expecting ti to be better than ext3, since 3 < 4 |
| 20:44.26 | ScottO_ | :D |
| 20:44.27 | jelly-home | ScottO_: I don't use it for anything serious, since it's not stable enough. Giving it another year before retrying. If you make regular backups, go ahead. |
| 20:44.39 | ScottO_ | this is actually for a backup system |
| 20:44.45 | jelly-home | then |
| 20:44.49 | jelly-home | "hell no" |
| 20:44.56 | ScottO_ | 1 stationary drive and 2 mirrored backups that get swapped out wekkly |
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| 20:45.12 | ScottO_ | well they get alternated |
| 20:45.21 | frikinz | jelly-home: why is it not stable? what problems do you have? |
| 20:45.22 | ScottO_ | jelly-home: good thanks for the opinion :D |
| 20:45.29 | eikenberry | ScottO_. The main benefit of ext4 is performance. |
| 20:45.42 | jelly-home | frikinz: had. I'm not using it any more. |
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| 20:45.56 | ScottO_ | yeah i dont really care all that much about performance, this is a dedicated backup rig |
| 20:46.04 | paradigm | I'm with jelly-home, for backups I'd use something more tried and tested |
| 20:46.07 | ScottO_ | it can run all day and night for all i care :D |
| 20:46.11 | paradigm | doubly so if you don't care about performance |
| 20:46.21 | ScottO_ | yep |
| 20:46.24 | ScottO_ | thanks again guys |
| 20:46.34 | paradigm | frikinz: it's not that it doesn't work so much as that it's still getting regular changes |
| 20:46.44 | eikenberry | For a backup system does that matter. If not then ext3 is more stable. Though I'd consider ext4 stable enough for production use. |
| 20:47.28 | ScottO_ | im in love with ext3, i barely have any issues |
| 20:47.36 | ScottO_ | and its especially better than ntfs :P |
| 20:47.48 | jelly-home | ScottO_: ext3 fsck can take time and memory so it might be prudent to split the space into a number of filesystems |
| 20:47.51 | eikenberry | I'm going to start switching over to ext4 once squeeze is out. |
| 20:48.18 | ScottO_ | since i started using linux, ive grown fond of journalled filesystems |
| 20:48.37 | ScottO_ | jelly-home: eh, not good to have a 2TB partition? |
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| 20:48.59 | paradigm | ScottO_: it will take quite a while to fsck |
| 20:49.01 | paradigm | that's all |
| 20:49.03 | frikinz | I'm using it regularly, or ext2 for small systems. Never any problem (like oops that I had with xfs..) or loss of data. Only now I've noticed what I believe a regression. |
| 20:49.17 | ScottO_ | well it doesnt do that often and when it does, i coudl care less how long it takes |
| 20:49.27 | paradigm | then I wouldn't worry about partition size |
| 20:49.27 | ScottO_ | as long as its not more than 12 hours |
| 20:50.23 | ScottO_ | did palimpsest become gnome-disk-utility because of the weird name? |
| 20:50.30 | ScottO_ | i could never remember it |
| 20:50.41 | ScottO_ | and when i do, it gets changed :P |
| 20:51.07 | Diytto | Hey |
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| 20:51.10 | Diytto | Question |
| 20:51.17 | ScottO_ | Answer! |
| 20:51.20 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 20:51.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:51.20 | Diytto | Is the dvd iso of debian the whole os |
| 20:51.27 | Diytto | Or still the netinst |
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| 20:52.21 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
| 20:52.23 | jelly-home | Diytto: it's a reasonably complete Gnome environment |
| 20:52.32 | Diytto | So not the netinst |
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| 20:53.15 | jelly-home | Diytto: well obviously it's a bit larger than the netinst image |
| 20:53.27 | Diytto | True |
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| 21:01.01 | smacnay | how often should ntpd be checking servers and updating time? Seems that my time goes off by 15 minutes within 12 hours of the computer starting up. |
| 21:01.07 | smacnay | Something is wonky here. |
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| 21:01.39 | ScottO_ | lol wonky |
| 21:02.13 | adamska | frikinz, please tell me how i can get this kernel from unstable or experimental |
| 21:02.31 | adamska | frikinz, without destroying my distrib |
| 21:02.48 | adamska | i am on squeeze actually |
| 21:03.19 | nick3 | Anyone here familiar with DebHelper? |
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| 21:04.39 | frikinz | adamska: which kernel is it in squeeze now? |
| 21:05.08 | ElDiabolo | frikinz, 2.6.32-5 |
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| 21:05.31 | frikinz | Well, the option is set on my 2.6.32 |
| 21:05.44 | adamska | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:05.48 | sedulous | are there Clementine (audio player) packages for debian? |
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| 21:06.44 | frikinz | adamska: what does this gives: grep CONSOLE_ROTATION /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:07.20 | adamska | frikinz, CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION=y |
| 21:07.25 | adamska | ;; |
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| 21:07.31 | thechitowncubs | clementine is the shit |
| 21:07.39 | adamska | frikinz, ok thank you then it is set already |
| 21:08.18 | thechitowncubs | Trillian lmao |
| 21:08.43 | adamska | i have a very strong bug to solve since i upgrade all my squeeze package |
| 21:08.56 | adamska | the kernel change and the graphics driver too |
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| 21:09.33 | adamska | a strong mix of kernel, kms, intel driver make my debian non working |
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| 21:10.06 | x1250 | how can I track down this error in auth.log? |
| 21:10.08 | x1250 | sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= user=www-data |
| 21:10.47 | xyan | by figuring out which of your webhosts tries to run sudo as user www-data |
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| 21:11.31 | xyan | grep -r sudo /var/www/ # or whereever you keep your htdocs... maybe its an insecure input that doesnt get sanitized tho |
| 21:11.31 | x1250 | xyan, can you elaborate? |
| 21:11.46 | x1250 | okay |
| 21:12.11 | xyan | check your apache logs also |
| 21:12.33 | Diytto | Torrent is working |
| 21:12.34 | Diytto | Agaon |
| 21:12.36 | Diytto | Again |
| 21:13.02 | Diytto | Everyone get on the debian 5.0.6 ppc dvd torrents and seed :D |
| 21:13.03 | adamska | how can i disable totally disable kms? |
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| 21:15.39 | jhutchins | adamska: Depends on which kernel/release you're on. |
| 21:16.28 | jhutchins | I hate waiting for boot menus. |
| 21:16.39 | jhutchins | Any distraction and you have to go through the whole cycle again. |
| 21:18.15 | tharkun | jhutchins: would you care for a cup of tea? |
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| 21:19.14 | adamska | i will be accurate |
| 21:19.15 | simonrvn | acuppatea? |
| 21:19.22 | adamska | i have this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601558 |
| 21:19.34 | adamska | for the love of god i am totally locked |
| 21:19.39 | adamska | how could i solve it |
| 21:20.12 | adamska | i just disinstall anything related to X, graphics driver |
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| 21:33.39 | sedulous | Diytto: link to the torrent and i'll seed with 100 Mb/s |
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| 21:34.02 | Diytto | O.o |
| 21:34.05 | Diytto | 1 sec |
| 21:34.13 | sedulous | no traffic cap :P |
| 21:34.18 | Diytto | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/powerpc/bt-dvd/debian-506-powerpc-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 21:34.30 | Diytto | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/powerpc/bt-dvd/debian-update-5.0.6-powerpc-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 21:34.38 | Diytto | Im not doing the update yet tho |
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| 21:36.05 | maxxle_ | Hello! A question to cryptsetup: What's the difference between these two ways (are both secure?): cryptsetup a complete device and create/format a partition inside it. _OR_ create a partiton, cryptsetup it and format it then? |
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| 21:36.37 | sedulous | Diytto: getting no peers yet |
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| 21:36.54 | Diytto | I am on transmission |
| 21:37.02 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:37.44 | karlpinc | maxxle_: I don't do anything with cryptsetup, but the difference is that if you encrypt partitions separately they can have different encryption keys (passwords/etc.) |
| 21:37.51 | eptalon | If I have a 64 bit version of debian, the OS will be able to handle more than 4Gigs, without trouble, or do I need a bigmem version? |
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| 21:38.18 | metalfoo | On AMD64 you don't have to care at all about memory boundraries. |
| 21:38.37 | metalfoo | That's for x86 systems only. |
| 21:38.54 | maxxle_ | karlpinc: Yes! That's ok. But..... i wonder, _why_ i can cryptsetup a complete device. I mean... is it ok or are there some caveeats?!? |
| 21:39.04 | sedulous | Diytto: rtorrent |
| 21:39.21 | karlpinc | eptalon: But note that we do not recommend amd64 for desktop use, mostly because 3rd party software (flash etc.) does not always run well on it. |
| 21:39.25 | eptalon | metalfoo: switching from a pentium D (2G) to an i5 (8G) |
| 21:39.48 | Diytto | Cool |
| 21:40.02 | metalfoo | Well, if you install the 64 bit version you are just fine, if you do use the x86 version, use a PAE enabled kernel |
| 21:40.03 | karlpinc | maxxle_: You can because to Unix everything is a file, the device, the partition, etc. As to where there are problems. I dunno. |
| 21:40.06 | metalfoo | (-bigmem) |
| 21:41.07 | maxxle_ | karlpinc: This would mean I could cryptsetup a file :) Wonder what would happen if i do this ;) |
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| 21:41.42 | eptalon | metalfoo: where would I see if it a 64 bit kernel,"AMD64" is the architecture, no? |
| 21:41.45 | maxxle_ | karlpinc: But i think i will completly encrypt the device instead of single partitions (Luks supports more then one key for each encrypted thing) |
| 21:42.15 | metalfoo | eptalon: Yes, using a AMD64 architecture build you will get a 64 bit kernel anyway. |
| 21:42.17 | karlpinc | maxxle_: Like I say, I don't encrypt, but I can imagine issues with /boot. |
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| 21:42.35 | eptalon | metalfoo: Ok. cool. |
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| 21:42.59 | maxxle_ | karlpinc: It's just a datastore/backup device .... Thx for your opinion! |
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| 21:43.35 | jhutchins | adamska: That sucks. My Intell chipped laptop just died, so I'm embarking on an Acer One, trying to get clonezilla running so I can back up Windows first. |
| 21:44.04 | jhutchins | adamska: I had the problem that was fixed with the release a week or to ago - has yours come and gone? |
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| 21:45.05 | adamska | jhutchins, you are lucky i tried a lot of thing and intel chipset have a strong pb with the new kernel and this crapy kms stuff |
| 21:45.27 | adamska | thing change, config file change too... |
| 21:45.32 | adamska | i am lazy |
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| 21:49.26 | jhutchins | adamska: Yeah, I had an 855 and it just hard locked on me, or soft-locked depending on whether kms was enabled. |
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| 21:50.25 | jhutchins | Now I can't get clonezilla started... |
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| 21:54.48 | jhutchins | Well, maybe it's a bad image, it seems to be having trouble reading the drive. |
| 21:54.59 | jhutchins | Although this system read it well enough. |
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| 22:00.48 | Diytto | sedulous: It doesnt show you in the peers |
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| 22:01.41 | sedulous | Diytto: i quit the client temporarily, brb |
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| 22:02.49 | Diytto | Oh ok |
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| 22:11.25 | sedulous | Diytto: i got the DVD images from several http mirrors in the meantime and am seeding the completed files with rtorrent now. strange: rtorrent says: 4 seeds, 3 leechers, yet i get no peers. |
| 22:11.56 | sedulous | ok, it seems that i'm not connectible |
| 22:12.16 | Diytto | :O |
| 22:12.19 | Diytto | Lol |
| 22:12.20 | Diytto | Nice |
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| 22:13.17 | sedulous | no, my bad, i'm actually connectible |
| 22:13.35 | sedulous | 0: http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce |
| 22:13.37 | sedulous | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.38 | Diytto | sedulous: So you downloaded it in a minute? |
| 22:13.42 | Diytto | Wow |
| 22:13.46 | sedulous | Diytto: 100 Mb/s downstream |
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| 22:14.27 | sedulous | i just like to seed torrents occasionally because the internet is meant to be p2p |
| 22:15.11 | phik | huh |
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| 22:15.34 | Diytto | I dont see you still |
| 22:16.04 | Diytto | I want your internet |
| 22:16.06 | Diytto | So bad |
| 22:16.36 | Diytto | Youre using rtorrent right? |
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| 22:17.03 | sedulous | yes |
| 22:17.19 | sedulous | rtorrent-0.8.6 and i'm connectible |
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| 22:17.45 | sedulous | i'm seeding the 2 debian torrents you linked. we should move this conversation to #debian-offtopic though. |
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| 22:20.21 | sedulous | i never had any problems to seed with this configuration. it might be a problem with rtorrent & the debian tracker |
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| 22:25.29 | Diytto | Ohai |
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| 22:30.47 | evilgeenius | Does debian support the "NVIDIA X Server Settings/Driver" app like ubuntu does? |
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| 22:35.28 | abrotman | evilgeenius: that's part of the nvidia binary driver AIUI |
| 22:35.30 | CyberDomovoy | i just really enjoy playing alex4... am i normal? |
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| 22:36.15 | Tatsh | is there a way i can grab a package with apt, compile it (./configure with my own options), and then still have the package manager manage it as if it isn't different from the binary? |
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| 22:37.38 | robokop | Tatsh: apt-get source, and then dpkg-buildpackage after you made the necessary adjustments |
| 22:37.48 | Tatsh | ok, will try |
| 22:37.54 | Tatsh | need to build php ./configure --with-gd |
| 22:38.37 | robokop | you know of php5-gd? |
| 22:39.00 | Tatsh | yes but it's extension version not built-in |
| 22:39.08 | Tatsh | performance is less with that version, drupal complains |
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| 22:39.54 | Tatsh | i use gentoo on my machine so i build everything in but i notice you guys don't on the binary; so what are the options normally used on ./configure for php or where can i get them? |
| 22:40.21 | robokop | will be in the source package |
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| 22:41.41 | blackshirt | hello.. |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | !tell Tatsh about debian/rules |
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| 22:51.44 | Ambagasdowa | !help |
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| 22:54.04 | frikinz | What's the difference between a script in if-pre-up.d and the stanza ifup in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:55.13 | frikinz | stanza pre-up not ifup |
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| 22:55.54 | cusco | what is that bot factoid, X Y ? |
| 22:56.03 | cusco | problem is x, but ask for y |
| 22:57.13 | stew | frikinz: a script in if-pre-up.d is called for every interface brought up. a command in a pre-up line is run for only the interface which it appears with |
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| 22:57.16 | stew | i guss |
| 22:57.39 | frikinz | stew: yes, and other thing? |
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| 23:23.00 | psiklops | i am writing a Timer/StopWatch Script, and am looking for a clock (xclock,oclock or the sort) that i can set manually to display the time i need. Are there such clocks that can be maninpulated for individual use? |
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| 23:23.42 | psiklops | ^manually set |
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| 23:37.28 | debiantonio | how comand line to reconfigure xorg? thanks |
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| 23:38.45 | khaije|amalt | dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver might be what you're looking for but there are several roughly equivalent ways |
| 23:39.02 | khaije|amalt | debiantonio: ^^ |
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| 23:40.13 | debiantonio | install nvidia driver wrong :( |
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| 23:44.11 | blackshirt | debiantonio: what wrong with nvidia driver ?? |
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| 23:45.42 | skinnypup | Anyone around who can comment on updating lenny xserver-xorg to support VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) on an atom d510 machine? The video resolution works with squeeze, is it possible to install just the needed squeeze xorg related packages ? |
| 23:45.44 | debiantonio | try nvidia driver for site nvidia 64 bits version |
| 23:45.54 | debiantonio | for debian amd64 |
| 23:46.06 | debiantonio | lenny |
| 23:46.25 | debiantonio | x86_x64 |
| 23:46.42 | blackshirt | was not working ?? |
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| 23:48.43 | stew | skinnypup: it wouldn't be simple. you'd have to backport the x server from squeeze |
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| 23:49.23 | runix__ | heyas. I installed ruby1.9.1 from lenny-backports but I don't have net/https.rb. it was provided before by libopenssl-ruby but when I install that package, libruby1.9.1 is installed (and it doesn't installs https.rb). any hints? |
| 23:50.15 | debiantonio | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_x64-06.43.18-pkg2 wrong way |
| 23:51.20 | debiantonio | xorg.conf :S |
| 23:51.27 | blackshirt | debianantonio: i'm not experienced with that..but what the error when you installing it ?? |
| 23:52.16 | debiantonio | fake version is 32 bits |
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| 23:52.54 | psiklops | are there any sound-files located in a minimal debian install by default |
| 23:53.12 | psiklops | for example: beep sound |
| 23:53.16 | psiklops | ? |
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| 23:53.53 | stew | psiklops: no, but if you have alsa installed you should have /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
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| 23:54.08 | psiklops | thanx stew |
| 23:54.55 | debiantonio | switch /etc/X11/xorg.conf driver nvidiafb for only nv |
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| 23:55.25 | debiantonio | reboot now |
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| 23:59.43 | debiantonio | khaije, thanks ...driver nv ok |
