| 00:00.05 | debiantonio | nvidiafb not ok |
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| 00:10.03 | debiantonio | khaije|amalt, thanks your help :) |
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| 00:10.46 | khaije|amalt | debiantonio: i didn't do much but i'm glad you sorted it out :) |
| 00:12.44 | debiantonio | khaije|amalt, command line report error |
| 00:12.52 | debiantonio | :) |
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| 00:14.32 | debiantonio | khaije|amalt, "nvidiafb" switch only "nv"...no more sress :) |
| 00:14.41 | debiantonio | ops, stress |
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| 00:18.46 | debiantonio | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 00:20.16 | acx0 | is it possible to put in another user's home directory which can't be deleted by them? I tried chowning to root:root, and chmoding to read and execute only for other (it's a script), but as the normal user I can still delete it (I just recieve a warning) |
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| 00:20.27 | acx0 | put a file* |
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| 00:25.24 | doublehp | i have a Gentoo host A, and creating , in a chrooted debian B, a debootstrap to create a new fresh debian C. I will chroot from A to C; how can i make a service started in C stored in /mnt/C, access to data stored in /mnt/Z/ ? will a symling from /mnt/C/Z work ? to which target ? ../../Z ? /mnt/Z ? |
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| 00:25.55 | tokam | I wanna allow www-data to use chown on files which he owns. How to do this? |
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| 00:27.14 | doublehp | tokam: laxiste way: set SUID bit to chown; better way: put user in weel group and use sudo; i am not sure you can do it any strict and secure way |
| 00:27.35 | doublehp | tokam: in such case, i usually use cron to chown. |
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| 00:29.10 | tokam | my goal is to change owners within a post commit script of the svn. |
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| 00:32.00 | owen1 | I MAPPED MY CAPS TO BE ESC (GREAT FOR VIM) BUT I DID IT WHILE I WAS ON CAPS ON. HOW TO TURN MY CAPS OFF NOW? (WITHOUT RESTART) |
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| 00:32.56 | tokam | dougmencken: I think sudo is not usable within a script? |
| 00:33.03 | khaije|amalt | owen1: joking? |
| 00:33.31 | owen1 | khaije|amalt: NO. xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' -e 'keycode 0x42 = Escape' |
| 00:33.38 | owen1 | THIS IS THE COMMAND I USED |
| 00:33.39 | themill | dpkg: tell owen1 about cross-post |
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| 00:33.46 | khaije|amalt | lolz |
| 00:33.50 | owen1 | themill: DAMN. U'R ON UBUNTU AS WELL? |
| 00:34.19 | themill | owen1: your caps is fixed now so you can stop shouting/ |
| 00:34.39 | owen1 | themill: NO IT'S NOT. I PASTED THE COMMAND I TYPED |
| 00:34.54 | owen1 | MY CAPSLOCK IS MAPPED TO ESC |
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| 00:36.04 | khaije|amalt | owen1: if it's just a different key, why not hit that key to toggle it off |
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| 00:39.41 | xslashxr | hi guys, im trying to connect to another server without authenticating, so i copied my id_rsa.pub to the target's /home/user/.ssh/authorized_key , but it wont work. surprisingly though, if i copy into /root/authorized_keys, i can login as root no problem. what am i doing wrong here? |
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| 00:41.46 | Nai-ux | i have an issue with apt not being able to install anything, it says "E: The package linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." i am just trying to "apt-get install telnet" and it says that, apt-get update runs without error |
| 00:41.58 | Nai-ux | that package is my kern on cd, but i dont want to reinstall it. |
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| 00:42.29 | blackshirt | Nai-ux: it was your custom kernel ?? |
| 00:42.52 | Nai-ux | blackshirt: it was someone's custom kernel, actually i have it at /data/cdrom-cpy if that will help |
| 00:43.31 | stew | Nai-ux: you want to remove it? |
| 00:43.56 | Nai-ux | no i just want apt to work, dont want to remove anything |
| 00:44.16 | stew | Nai-ux: so reinstall it |
| 00:44.25 | blackshirt | Nai-ux: can you pastebin output completely ?? |
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| 00:44.45 | Nai-ux | can i do it with dpkg -i? or do i need to make up a fake source so apt can pick it up? |
| 00:44.59 | stew | Nai-ux: you should be able to do it with dpkg -i |
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| 00:48.12 | psycho23 | So I was playing with ubuntu and I noticed something really cool that I wanted on debian. (I use iceweasel on debian). In Ubuntu's firefox, when CTRL+Left-Click-Link or Right-Click->Open-in-new-tab the tab opens right beside the current tab! I want that in my iceweasel! When I open a new tab from a link in iceweasel, the tab opens waaaaaaayyy on the right side of all other tabs to the... |
| 00:48.14 | psycho23 | ...right of the current tab. |
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| 00:49.02 | psycho23 | I want it so that when I open a new-tab-from-link, the tab is opened right next to the current tab. |
| 00:49.09 | psycho23 | On iceweasel |
| 00:49.56 | Nai-ux | dpkg -i went through fine, apt was then fixed, apt still OK after reboot into overwritten kern. thanks stew and blackshirt |
| 00:49.56 | dpkg | package went through fine, apt was then fixed, apt still OK after reboot into overwritten kern. thanks stew and blackshirt is already installed |
| 00:50.12 | Nai-ux | whoops bot :) |
| 00:50.21 | themill | dpkg, shaddup |
| 00:50.21 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
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| 00:53.36 | blackshirt | psycho23: is that opened on right side to the current tab ?? |
| 00:53.48 | psycho23 | yes |
| 00:54.04 | blackshirt | so, what do you want ?? |
| 00:54.48 | psycho23 | I want new-tabs to be opened buddy-buddy with the current tab, versus waaaaay over to the extreme right. |
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| 00:55.25 | psycho23 | aahhh I just got news from #ubuntu, it's probably in an add-on they preinstalled or something. |
| 00:55.34 | psycho23 | to the add-ons! |
| 00:56.10 | blackshirt | i no have experience with it.. i think it iceweasel feature.. maybe |
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| 01:01.05 | Nai-ux | what is the tcp-wrappers package called in debian? is it libwrap0 ? |
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| 01:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show <package> will tell you... |
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| 01:05.25 | jhulst | Hi All, I have a media box that uses kerberos to authenticate users and NFS. I want the user to autologin for that box, but I need the password for NFS kerberos login. Any ideas of how to handle it? |
| 01:05.57 | psycho23 | is it just me or is #firefox realllllllyyy quiet? |
| 01:06.19 | blackshirt | Nai-ux: yes.. it was wrapper library..and tcpd was wrapper utilities |
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| 01:07.46 | paineeasymn | !ops | http://AnonTalk.se/r/14 - now back with anti-DDoS! EagleScreen leroux mx k\- darkskiez franki^ chemist sansen CAiRO_ xchat psycho23 studyurnm3 benji_ blackshirt magyarlatin jrib khaleel5000 k[t elik_ chaisen saac slidesinger Floops homie` MattWB zink debiantonio Faithful Bry-Dog futex_ runix__ SaRy Allanis MrCoffee AimHere pseubodot elkclone alpharesearch oblu llua xyan Malf t3nnyson mutable thepro4ever MadViking Arrowmaster factran jpinx-eeepc |
| 01:07.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: paineeasymn complains about: | http://AnonTalk.se/r/14 - now back with anti-DDoS! EagleScreen leroux mx k\- darkskiez franki^ chemist sansen CAiRO_ xchat psycho23 studyurnm3 benji_ blackshirt magyarlatin jrib ... |
| 01:07.53 | Nai-ux | blackshirt: ok thanks, i was quite silly in not guessing tcpd as a package name |
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| 01:08.35 | scetontot | !ops | http://AnonTalk.se/r/76 - now back with anti-DDoS! goltoof_ hydra EagleScreen leroux mx k\- darkskiez franki^ chemist sansen CAiRO_ xchat psycho23 studyurnm3 benji_ blackshirt magyarlatin jrib khaleel5000 k[t elik_ chaisen saac slidesinger Floops homie` MattWB zink debiantonio Faithful Bry-Dog futex_ runix__ SaRy Allanis MrCoffee AimHere pseubodot elkclone alpharesearch oblu llua xyan Malf t3nnyson mutable thepro4ever MadViking Arrowmaster fact |
| 01:08.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: scetontot complains about: | http://AnonTalk.se/r/76 - now back with anti-DDoS! goltoof_ hydra EagleScreen leroux mx k\- darkskiez franki^ chemist sansen CAiRO_ xchat psycho23 studyurnm3 benji_ blackshirt ... |
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| 01:09.06 | Allanis | Lol, why the hell did paineeasymn's post alert me? |
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| 01:09.12 | RicKyRocK | someone know what file to edit to remove the time when the email is from queu ? because when email is not good and its from queu it can take 1 or 2 or 3 days before to be deleted ! |
| 01:09.17 | Allanis | And scetontot |
| 01:09.25 | themill | Allanis: it's spam. Ignore it. |
| 01:09.28 | Allanis | K |
| 01:09.30 | Allanis | thanks. |
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| 01:17.00 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
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| 01:17.47 | Bartzy|work | I have a dynamic IP @ home, I use DYNDNS to have a domain (whatever.dyndns.com) that will map to the current IP... Can I make iptables to always allow the IP that's behind whatever.dyndns.com ATM ? |
| 01:18.25 | Bartzy|work | meaning this IP behind the dyndns domain will be white-listed for SSH port for example, while all other IP addresses will be dropped ? |
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| 01:26.02 | Bartzy|work | anyone about the iptables ? |
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| 01:26.44 | gryllida | Bartzy|work, what about them? |
| 01:26.52 | Bartzy|work | I have a dynamic IP @ home, I use DYNDNS to have a domain (whatever.dyndns.com) that will map to the current IP... Can I make iptables to always allow the IP that's behind whatever.dyndns.com ATM ? |
| 01:26.53 | Bartzy|work | meaning this IP behind the dyndns domain will be white-listed for SSH port for example, while all other IP addresses will be dropped ? |
| 01:27.01 | Bartzy|work | gryllida ^ |
| 01:27.29 | gryllida | whoops that's too specific one for me to answer, I don't know that that well |
| 01:28.02 | Bartzy|work | ok thanks :) |
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| 01:28.43 | blackshirt | loody: you can modify/hack something packages under linux/ubuntu..makes it more better and distribute it to other.. |
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| 01:29.57 | valbaca | Where can I ask questions about the GPL? I'm working on someone else's GPL'ed program, and want to know what to do with their copyright line (e.g. "Copyright (c) 2007 TheirName"). Do I leave it even after I modify the code? |
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| 01:32.48 | blackshirt | valbaca: you can read it on every packages distributed with debian.. |
| 01:33.48 | Nai-ux | does tcp-wrappers only work off items in inet? is that why it shouldn't be launched from terminal? can it block sshd from some hosts? or would ssh have to be in inet so it can launch tcpd |
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| 01:34.35 | Nai-ux | valbaca: there is a channel #FSF for the free software foundation |
| 01:34.46 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
| 01:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: It could be done with a bash script on a cron job. |
| 01:35.19 | Bartzy|work | jhutchins_lt: Yeah but is it recomendded ? You're talking about getting the IP with ping and then refresh iptables rules ? |
| 01:35.30 | valbaca | Nai-ux, thanks |
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| 01:35.42 | jhutchins_lt | Get the IP with host, compare to a stored value, if different then remove old IP, add new IP. |
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| 01:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | I used to update my IP in a text file on a remote host every fifteen minutes (pre-dyndns); worked great except it was a VAX system with unlimited version history. I filled the disk with my IP in a text file. |
| 01:38.36 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: Nothing wrong with the idea, in fact, if you get it working post it somewhere, people will think you're clever. |
| 01:39.09 | arctanx | jhutchins_lt: nice work with the disk-filling :D |
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| 01:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
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| 01:58.08 | JasonWoof | jhutchins_lt: nice :) |
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| 02:11.46 | rue_house | dpkg --show-selections? |
| 02:11.48 | dpkg | rue_house: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:12.21 | rue_house | dpkg I want you to tell me what packages I have insalled |
| 02:12.22 | dpkg | rue_house: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:12.38 | rue_house | dpkg, I did, you seem to know nothing about it |
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| 02:12.38 | dpkg | wish i knew, rue_house |
| 02:12.43 | rue_house | me too |
| 02:12.51 | qwd | What package do I need to run newfs_msdos? I'm trying to format my ipod |
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| 02:26.44 | clusty | how do i generate a ^M char in bash ? |
| 02:29.32 | valbaca | clusty, ctrl+shift+m |
| 02:30.12 | valbaca | in nano right? |
| 02:30.19 | AimHere | bash, he said |
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| 02:34.10 | AimHere | clusty, If you need a ctrl-M in an ENV variable, or a string, I think you might want something like $'\cm' |
| 02:34.19 | AimHere | I dug that out of 'man bash' |
| 02:34.59 | AimHere | If you're after a newline instead of control m, it'll be $'\n' |
| 02:35.39 | clusty | i want to tell tr to trash ^M's |
| 02:36.13 | AimHere | Then 'man tr' |
| 02:36.23 | AimHere | The ^Ms there are either \r or \n |
| 02:36.28 | AimHere | I forget which |
| 02:36.50 | AimHere | There's probably a utility already in place for converting between MS-DOSed textfiles though |
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| 02:40.38 | fisxoj | hello, I'm trying to install empathy form experimental, and synaptic wants to uninstall a whole lot of programs, and I'm not sure how to work around it. Anyone been in the same boat? |
| 02:48.42 | rue_house | how do I get apt to recreate config files of a package that was removed and reinstalled? |
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| 02:49.51 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/yjAVeP0y i have chrooted in a debootstrap zone. What's missing ? $DISPLAY is already set to :0.0 ... |
| 02:50.33 | qq- | rue_house, try ask dpkg about confmiss |
| 02:51.25 | rue_house | dpkg confmiss |
| 02:51.25 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 02:53.54 | rue_house | that didn't work, what now? |
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| 02:55.30 | qq- | try again .. |
| 02:55.55 | rue_house | I tried removing all the packages and starting that as an install command... |
| 02:56.26 | rue_house | it didn't work |
| 02:57.08 | rue_house | I'm now trying it with each dependency package |
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| 02:57.38 | stew | rue_house: you can figure out which package needs to be installed with confmiss by grepping for the filesnames in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*confmiss |
| 02:58.44 | stew | err /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles |
| 02:58.45 | rue_house | there is no *confmiss in there |
| 02:58.48 | rue_house | ah |
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| 02:59.13 | rue_house | but there is only console-* |
| 02:59.33 | stew | rue_house: *conffiles ; there should be times of flies matching "*conffiles" |
| 02:59.41 | rue_house | yes |
| 03:00.03 | rue_house | for package console, console-data and consolekit |
| 03:00.07 | rue_house | thats it, no postgres |
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| 03:00.21 | stew | rue_house: what file are you missing? |
| 03:00.30 | rue_house | all the postgres config files |
| 03:00.34 | rue_house | /etc/postgresql/ |
| 03:00.58 | rue_house | they must be made in a script, cause apt-file cant find them |
| 03:01.23 | superlinux | guys! try this on the shell : |
| 03:01.26 | superlinux | awk 'function wl() {rate=26400; return (rate/160)*(0.87055^(int(rand()*10)))}; BEGIN {srand(); wla=wl(); while(1) {wlb=wla; wla=wl(); if (wla==wlb) wla*=2; d=(rand()*10+5)*rate/4; a=0; b=0; c=128; ca=40/wla; cb=20/wlb; de=rate/10; di=0; for (i=0;i<d;i++) {a++; b++; di++; c+=ca; c+=cb; if (a>wla) {a=0; ca*=-1}; if (b>wlb) {b=0; cb*=-1}; if (di>de) {di=0; ca*=0.9; cb*=0.9}; printf("%c",c)}; c=int(c); while(c!=128) {c<128?c+=1:c-=1; printf("%c",c |
| 03:01.27 | superlinux | )};};}' > /dev |
| 03:01.32 | stew | rue_house: yes, grep in the .postinst scripts for postgres |
| 03:02.00 | superlinux | listen to music, must be /dev/dsp at the end |
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| 03:02.21 | rue_house | oh... hello... |
| 03:02.48 | muddd | what is that up there superlinux? |
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| 03:03.22 | superlinux | muddd, just try it, som ambient music |
| 03:03.40 | superlinux | I had it from #freebsd |
| 03:03.52 | superlinux | just had it |
| 03:04.36 | stew | and if you use alsa but not oss, it will fill your / partition... |
| 03:05.01 | stew | superlinux: you probably should stick to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 03:05.42 | rue_house | stew, where are they? |
| 03:06.18 | stew | rue_house: /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/*sample |
| 03:06.23 | stew | or adjust for your current version |
| 03:06.40 | stew | rue_house: oh the postinst scripts? they are right next to the .conffiles files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 03:07.06 | rue_house | and why would dpkg not be running them? |
| 03:07.53 | stew | rue_house: what makes you think they aren't being run? |
| 03:08.13 | rue_house | the /etc/postgresql dir isn't being created, that contains all the main configs |
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| 03:10.45 | stew | rue_house: are you sure the postinst creates them? |
| 03:10.52 | rue_house | no |
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| 03:11.04 | rue_house | I know their not found by apt-file |
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| 03:11.41 | rue_house | but I also know the installer makes its own, it does not upgrade from the files of the last version |
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| 03:11.51 | rue_house | which is half of why I'm in this mess |
| 03:12.40 | stew | rue_house: you can just make the directory yourself |
| 03:13.20 | rue_house | I cannot recreate all the dirs under it and all the configu files that should be there |
| 03:13.28 | stew | rue_house: why not? |
| 03:13.39 | rue_house | can I uninstall it and change something to make dpkg think its never been installed beofre? |
| 03:13.49 | stew | rue_house: you can purge the packages |
| 03:13.51 | rue_house | cause I cant type out all the config files off the top of my head |
| 03:14.00 | rue_house | so purge and then install? |
| 03:14.05 | anisfarhana | Hi again. |
| 03:14.09 | stew | rue_house: you can copy them from /usr/share/postgresql/$version/*sample |
| 03:14.25 | rue_house | thats not all of them |
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| 03:14.48 | stew | rue_house: which isn't there? |
| 03:15.24 | rue_house | none of the files under /etc/postgres |
| 03:15.32 | stew | rue_house: they are for me |
| 03:15.37 | rue_house | the directory was lost in a screwuped overwrite |
| 03:15.59 | stew | rue_house: really, none of the files under /etc/postgres? |
| 03:16.04 | rue_house | correct |
| 03:16.17 | rue_house | I need them recreated like they never existed on the system before |
| 03:16.21 | stew | rue_house: what version are you trying to install? |
| 03:16.27 | rue_house | 8.4 |
| 03:16.40 | rue_house | I'm trying purge now |
| 03:16.45 | stew | rue_house: and /usr/share/postgresql/8.4/postgresql.conf.sample doesn't exist? |
| 03:17.02 | rue_house | it did but as I said the directory structure is gone |
| 03:17.15 | stew | what do you mean "it did"? |
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| 03:17.25 | ebzzry | How can I compute the total disk space that will be used by a package before I install it? |
| 03:17.26 | rue_house | if this gets toooo stupid I'll build a new system and isntall it on that, then copy over the dir |
| 03:17.51 | rue_house | the /etc/postgresql directory was destroyed |
| 03:17.52 | stew | ebzzry: "apt-cache show packagename" lists "Installed-Size" |
| 03:17.56 | rue_house | I need it recreated |
| 03:18.04 | blackshirt | rue-house: hello.. |
| 03:18.12 | stew | rue_house: mkdir -p /etc/postgresql/8.4 |
| 03:18.15 | ebzzry | stew: thanks |
| 03:18.25 | rue_house | then what |
| 03:18.31 | stew | rue_house: copy the config files in |
| 03:18.31 | rue_house | there is a main directory in there somewehre |
| 03:18.37 | stew | yes |
| 03:18.38 | rue_house | from where? |
| 03:18.51 | stew | 23:14 < stew> rue_house: you can copy them from /usr/share/postgresql/$version/*sample |
| 03:19.04 | rue_house | is that all of them? |
| 03:19.04 | blackshirt | rue_house: i think you must reconfigure your packages |
| 03:19.13 | rue_house | I think we tried that |
| 03:19.18 | stew | rue_house: i don't know, you said it wasn't |
| 03:19.22 | rue_house | I just did a purge and am waiting for the new install to finish |
| 03:19.23 | stew | rue_house: you said they were missing |
| 03:19.30 | stew | rue_house: what did you purge? |
| 03:19.33 | rue_house | yay! |
| 03:19.39 | rue_house | purge seems to have worked.... |
| 03:19.52 | rue_house | nope |
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| 03:20.24 | rue_house | why cant apt install this like it was never here? |
| 03:20.28 | stew | yes |
| 03:20.43 | stew | rue_house: it can |
| 03:20.51 | rue_house | ok, tell me how! |
| 03:20.57 | stew | rue_house: purge the packages first |
| 03:21.04 | rue_house | again ok |
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| 03:21.13 | stew | once is enough, if you have the right packages |
| 03:21.39 | rue_house | ok purged |
| 03:21.47 | rue_house | next? |
| 03:22.00 | stew | install the packages |
| 03:22.10 | rue_house | I just tried that it didn't work |
| 03:22.25 | stew | then perhaps you are trying with the wrong packages |
| 03:22.43 | rue_house | apt-get install postgresql |
| 03:22.46 | rue_house | ??? |
| 03:23.02 | rue_house | shoudl that not install a working postgres service? |
| 03:23.07 | stew | rue_house: it should not |
| 03:23.09 | rue_house | aka with defaulted config files? |
| 03:23.19 | stew | rue_house: that package has no config files |
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| 03:23.35 | stew | rue_house: "dpkg -L postgresql" will list all of the files in that package including the config files |
| 03:23.42 | rue_house | I will just build a new machine and install it on there |
| 03:23.44 | stew | you'll see that isn't the right package |
| 03:23.55 | rue_house | a program thats part of the package will create the config files |
| 03:24.01 | rue_house | then I will copy them to this machine |
| 03:24.03 | stew | no it isn't |
| 03:24.28 | rue_house | do you understand that /etc/postgres/-----/---/-/---- isn't being created? |
| 03:24.32 | stew | yes |
| 03:24.40 | rue_house | and your saying thats correct |
| 03:24.49 | stew | do you understand that the postgres package contains nothing but documentation, no other software |
| 03:24.52 | stew | rue_house: it is correct |
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| 03:25.18 | rue_house | that after installing postgres, you have to make all the config file dirs by hand and write all the config files |
| 03:25.24 | stew | no |
| 03:25.37 | blackshirt | rue_house: i dont think so... |
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| 03:26.20 | rue_house | SO how do I get apt to install this like its never been on the system before? |
| 03:26.33 | stew | rue_house: purge the postgres packages and reinstall them |
| 03:26.44 | rue_house | I did, the files were not created |
| 03:27.03 | rue_house | I'll try again, just for hte hell of it |
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| 03:27.09 | stew | rue_house: which other packages besides the postgres package (which only contains a few pieces of documentation) did you reinstall? |
| 03:27.12 | blackshirt | rue_house: what the packages are you try to install ?? |
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| 03:27.25 | rue_house | apt-get install postgresql |
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| 03:27.46 | rue_house | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 03:27.46 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.04 | rue_house | zippo:/etc# apt-get purge postgresql postgresql-8.4 postgresql-client-8.4 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common |
| 03:28.30 | stew | rue_house: what exact command did you run to purge the postgres packages? |
| 03:28.45 | rue_house | ^ |
| 03:28.48 | blackshirt | rue_house: use pastebin instead here to list the output.. |
| 03:28.53 | rue_house | ok |
| 03:29.21 | rue_house | I did it again, and again, the /etc/postgresql config dirs were not installed |
| 03:29.35 | stew | E: Invalid operation purge |
| 03:29.48 | rue_house | hu? |
| 03:29.56 | rue_house | apt-get remove --purge? |
| 03:30.11 | rue_house | but it worked... |
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| 03:32.10 | rue_house | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postgresql <<- trying that |
| 03:32.26 | stew | rue_house: WRONG PACKAGE |
| 03:32.42 | rue_house | -8.4? |
| 03:33.12 | Diytto | Ummmm |
| 03:33.17 | stew | though it doesn't matter, the files you are after aren't conffiles |
| 03:33.24 | stew | so confmiss won't help |
| 03:33.34 | rue_house | ok, where do they come from? |
| 03:33.39 | Diytto | Is it normal for a dvd that is 4GB with a debian iso on it to burn in like 3 minutes |
| 03:33.41 | Diytto | On osx |
| 03:33.44 | rue_house | I dont really care where they come from, I want them recreated |
| 03:33.50 | Diytto | Its not showing up on desktop |
| 03:33.58 | stew | they are config files but not conffiles |
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| 03:34.16 | rue_house | excellent, how do I get them recreated |
| 03:34.41 | karlpinc | Diytto: (FWIW, unless you're planning on being offline then it's usually better to use the netinstall.) |
| 03:34.57 | rue_house | do you have a clean vm you can install it on, and tar/gzip the /etc/postgresql dir for me? |
| 03:35.24 | Diytto | karlpinc: I will be offline i think |
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| 03:37.09 | rue_house | it really loooks like apt cant do this |
| 03:37.29 | rue_house | I will have to build a new machine and install debian and then postgres on it to get the config dir |
| 03:37.34 | stew | rue_house: if you want to see what the unedited config files look like, I already told you where you can find them |
| 03:37.35 | Diytto | So is it normal for a .iso to be burned like instantly |
| 03:37.50 | Diytto | I guess te only way to tell would be to boot from it |
| 03:38.54 | stew | rue_house: if purging and reinstalling *all* of the postgres packages doens't work, i'd try removing /var/lib/postgresql directory while hte packages are purged |
| 03:39.09 | stew | rue_house: and consider filing a bug asking for the config files to become conffiles |
| 03:39.09 | anisfarhana | I have setup software raid in debian , for 1TB x 1TB , is there a way to verified it whether it works or not ? |
| 03:39.44 | Diytto | Nice |
| 03:40.00 | Diytto | Test it with raid on |
| 03:40.04 | Diytto | Then with it off |
| 03:40.14 | Diytto | If its faster with raid it works |
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| 03:40.15 | Diytto | :p |
| 03:40.15 | anisfarhana | Raid ON ? Raid OFF ? |
| 03:40.20 | anisfarhana | blinks |
| 03:40.28 | Diytto | Lol |
| 03:40.30 | anisfarhana | Diytto: does df -h can verify it ? |
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| 03:40.41 | anisfarhana | I will show to you my output of df -h |
| 03:40.43 | Diytto | does not have any idea |
| 03:40.54 | Diytto | I am not all that terminal savvy |
| 03:40.58 | anisfarhana | ssh root@10.5.11.158 -p 222 |
| 03:40.59 | Diytto | Just basic stuff for me |
| 03:41.06 | anisfarhana | err...wrong window. |
| 03:41.47 | stew | anisfarhana: "mdadm -Q --detail /dev/md0" will tell you the status of the array |
| 03:43.01 | anisfarhana | stew: http://pastebin.ws/beryxk |
| 03:43.16 | anisfarhana | stew: I'm not sure whether it 'works' or not. |
| 03:43.42 | stew | anisfarhana: its workign with one of two drives, its state is "degraded" because the second drive was removed |
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| 03:44.01 | stew | anisfarhana: so it is no longer redundant until a second drive is added and it has resynced |
| 03:44.09 | anisfarhana | stew: I removed it like 3-4 mins ago , to see whether the 'mirroring' is working or not. |
| 03:44.30 | anisfarhana | stew: and i do plugged it back after that. |
| 03:44.39 | stew | anisfarhana: you need to --re-add it |
| 03:44.40 | anisfarhana | stupid move to test the RAID eh ? |
| 03:45.41 | anisfarhana | stew: --re-add ? Just because i removed it ?? |
| 03:46.07 | stew | actually no --re-add, just add |
| 03:46.08 | stew | and yes |
| 03:46.20 | stew | its not going to add a drive to your array without you telling it |
| 03:46.27 | anisfarhana | knocks her head with 1TB disk |
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| 03:46.48 | anisfarhana | stew: Umm..can you teach me / assist me / guide me how to re-add it ? |
| 03:46.57 | stew | the mdadm manpage can |
| 03:49.46 | anisfarhana | stew: mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 ? |
| 03:49.58 | anisfarhana | I'm even don't understand on man page. |
| 03:49.59 | anisfarhana | tsk tsk |
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| 03:50.17 | stew | you certainly are going to need to tell it what you want to add to /dev/md0 |
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| 03:50.40 | anisfarhana | stew: to /dev/md1 ? |
| 03:50.57 | anisfarhana | stew: Are you sure i can play around with it without crashing any data or similar like that ? |
| 03:51.12 | stew | no, i'm losing my confidence in that |
| 03:51.24 | anisfarhana | Uh oh. |
| 03:51.48 | anisfarhana | Crazy again. |
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| 03:51.59 | stew | anisfarhana: /dev/md1 is a different raid array? |
| 03:52.21 | anisfarhana | I think /dev/md1 referring to 2nd disk. |
| 03:52.37 | stew | "md" is a raid array |
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| 03:53.11 | anisfarhana | You mean RAID1 and so on ? |
| 03:53.12 | stew | /dev/md0 is your exisitng array, which currently consists of a single phisical device /dev/sda1 |
| 03:53.23 | anisfarhana | stew: correct! |
| 03:53.27 | stew | i'm going to guess that the drive you removed is /dev/sdb |
| 03:53.34 | anisfarhana | sbd1 |
| 03:53.36 | anisfarhana | yes yes. |
| 03:53.43 | stew | and that /dev/sdb1 is the think you want to add to /dev/md0 |
| 03:54.02 | stew | yes, from your mdadm output, /dev/md0 is raid 1 |
| 03:54.31 | anisfarhana | correct |
| 03:54.32 | anisfarhana | nods |
| 03:54.52 | anisfarhana | Which part did you ask for 'raid array' ? |
| 03:54.53 | stew | i don't kno wwhat you mean exactly by " RAID1 and so on " though |
| 03:55.01 | stew | huh? |
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| 03:55.07 | anisfarhana | We have RAID1 , RAID5 and so on. |
| 03:55.13 | stew | ? |
| 03:55.19 | stew | what do you mean? |
| 03:55.27 | anisfarhana | stew: ok ok you don't get me , ignore that |
| 03:55.46 | anisfarhana | I just don't get you on "/dev/md1 is a different raid array?" |
| 03:55.50 | anisfarhana | I don't know how to answer. |
| 03:56.10 | anisfarhana | But all of your assumption is true. |
| 03:56.14 | stew | anisfarhana: you started asking me about /dev/md1. that would be a differnt raid array. the one you are asking about is /dev/md0, not /dev/md1 |
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| 03:57.13 | anisfarhana | stew: I thought raid array is RAID1 , OR RAID5 , OR RAID 4. |
| 03:57.36 | rue_house | I could try to create the config dir, but I dont know what all the users/permissions on all the files are supposed to be |
| 03:58.03 | anisfarhana | stew: RAID1 , RAID2 and so on is under RAID LEVEL. |
| 03:58.11 | stew | yes. yours is raid1. /dev/md0 is just the first raid array, /dev/md1 is the second raid array on the same system, it has nohting to do with the raid1 raid4 raid5 etc raid levels |
| 03:58.18 | rue_house | I have to install a new blooming computer just to get is back, this is stupid |
| 03:58.53 | anisfarhana | stew: sorry , i just know raid1 raid4 = RAID LEVEL , you did ask me raid array. |
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| 03:59.17 | anisfarhana | stew: So the answer is /dev/md1 is second raid array. |
| 03:59.25 | stew | rue_house: they can all be chmod 600 and owned by postgres |
| 03:59.30 | blackshirt | rue_house: ??? |
| 03:59.35 | anisfarhana | So now i need to --re-add /dev/md1 to /dev/md0 ? |
| 03:59.42 | stew | anisfarhana: that makes no sense |
| 03:59.52 | anisfarhana | :/ |
| 04:00.00 | anisfarhana | This gonna make me crazy. |
| 04:00.05 | stew | anisfarhana: you need to add sdb1 to md0 |
| 04:00.17 | stew | i doubt you have a second raid array |
| 04:00.39 | anisfarhana | stew: sorry but what is about this second raid array ? |
| 04:00.43 | anisfarhana | the second disk or what ? |
| 04:01.21 | stew | i don't know. you keep talkig about md1, which would be a second raid array, which I don't believe exists |
| 04:01.24 | stew | i think you should forget it |
| 04:01.26 | anisfarhana | stew: I just follow google how to do software raid on debian. |
| 04:01.31 | stew | great |
| 04:02.18 | anisfarhana | Because i can see /dev/md1 on "df -h" |
| 04:02.26 | stew | ok |
| 04:02.34 | stew | so there is a second raid array |
| 04:02.47 | anisfarhana | stew: wait wait..let me show you something. |
| 04:03.00 | stew | that's ok, i'm going to go do other stuff |
| 04:03.03 | anisfarhana | <stew> great <--are you being sarcasm with me or that is honest ? |
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| 04:03.17 | anisfarhana | stew: http://pastebin.ws/8kpoob |
| 04:03.24 | anisfarhana | stew: oh ok sorry for bothering. |
| 04:05.48 | stew | anisfarhana: you need to use mdadm to add sdb1 to md0 |
| 04:06.08 | stew | anisfarhana: if there is an md1, you probably also need to ad sdb2 (or something? sdb3 who knows) to md1 |
| 04:06.48 | stew | after you get the second partition added to md0 and it is resyncing, then run "mdadm -Q --detail md1" and check its status as well |
| 04:07.06 | stew | i'm *guessing* that md1 is also made up of a partition from sda and a partition from sdb |
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| 04:07.53 | davekong | Is there some way to make it so that if I remove an application from my system it will also remove it from my automatically starting at boot as well? |
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| 04:11.37 | davekong | Does purge do that? |
| 04:12.33 | anisfarhana | stew: i try to do 'mirroring' actually with raid1 |
| 04:12.54 | anisfarhana | stew: i believe md0 belongs to #1 disk and md1 to #2 disk |
| 04:13.11 | anisfarhana | stew: You guess is right. |
| 04:14.02 | blackshirt | davekong: yes.. if you remove it.. will do that |
| 04:14.19 | blackshirt | davekong: yes, purge will do that |
| 04:14.22 | anisfarhana | stew: the stupid thing i have done is , why the heck i removed the second disk few mins ago...blegh |
| 04:14.38 | davekong | blackshirt: I did apt-get remove postgresql and I was still seeing it with netstat |
| 04:14.44 | anisfarhana | stew: I thought it automatically re-sync without i need to --re-add it! |
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| 04:15.03 | blackshirt | give it with purge options |
| 04:15.09 | davekong | ok thanks |
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| 04:15.20 | stew | davekong: note that purge removes all the conffiles |
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| 04:15.35 | Dark_Wolf | Which architecture should I download to run on a 486? |
| 04:15.39 | stew | davekong: (the init script is a conffile, which is why it stays when you remove without purging) |
| 04:15.49 | stew | Dark_Wolf: i386 |
| 04:15.55 | Dark_Wolf | Alright... |
| 04:16.04 | davekong | stew: ok thanks, makes sense |
| 04:16.06 | stew | Dark_Wolf: how much memory does it have? |
| 04:16.11 | Dark_Wolf | 112 MB |
| 04:16.26 | stew | anisfarhana raid arrays don't belong to drives, its the other way around |
| 04:16.38 | Dark_Wolf | I tried installing CentOS, but apparently it doesn't work with the old processor |
| 04:16.46 | stew | but in your case it seems that its not drives belonging to arrays but partitions of drives belonging to arrays |
| 04:17.27 | neil_d | trying to compile a new kernel for my SBC... where in menuconfig is the option to setup the fuse system. |
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| 04:17.29 | stew | Dark_Wolf: debian will work, don't expect much out of it |
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| 04:17.46 | Dark_Wolf | I'm trying to figure out what distro would work well on it |
| 04:18.16 | Dark_Wolf | 199 MHz Pentium MMX processor with 112 MB RAM... Debian and CentOS were suggested, but apparently neither will work well |
| 04:18.18 | stew | Dark_Wolf: i mean that it will work fine as someting headless. don't expect it to run firefox |
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| 04:18.28 | Dark_Wolf | And apparently Debian is 31 CDs? o.o |
| 04:18.41 | anisfarhana | stew: what should i do now ? :-S |
| 04:18.50 | stew | Dark_Wolf: debian is 31 cds if you need to download EVERY PACKAGE that exists |
| 04:19.02 | Dark_Wolf | ah... |
| 04:19.06 | stew | Dark_Wolf: you only need the first to install (or a ~130mb netinst) |
| 04:19.21 | stew | Dark_Wolf: the other cds exists for people that need to move packages to machines that cannot get onto a network |
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| 04:19.38 | stew | anisfarhana: readd sdb1 to md0, check the integrity of md1 |
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| 04:19.51 | Dark_Wolf | Currently I have Slackware installed, but it's a piece of crap... nothing works right on it |
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| 04:20.24 | stew | Dark_Wolf: of course, we aren't going to be of much help with your peice of crap slackware install :) |
| 04:20.36 | Dark_Wolf | Yeah, which is why I'm considering Debian |
| 04:20.56 | Dark_Wolf | It'll work well as a database/web/bnc server, won't it? |
| 04:20.57 | stew | Dark_Wolf: what are you hoping to use the machine for? |
| 04:20.59 | stew | no |
| 04:21.09 | stew | it will work as a router |
| 04:21.23 | Dark_Wolf | I don't follow |
| 04:21.35 | stew | Dark_Wolf: it won't work well as a database/web server |
| 04:21.37 | stew | bnc maybe |
| 04:21.51 | Dark_Wolf | Why won't database and web work well? |
| 04:21.54 | stew | web maybe if you are serving nothing but static files |
| 04:22.02 | Dark_Wolf | php |
| 04:22.04 | stew | no |
| 04:22.10 | totem | hi, debian is PAE (physical address extension), look like fedora? |
| 04:22.38 | stew | Dark_Wolf: because a 486 with only 112 mb of ram is underpowered for a database and underpowered for php |
| 04:22.44 | Dark_Wolf | Ah... |
| 04:22.57 | Dark_Wolf | I didn't realize that PHP and MySQL took up so many resources |
| 04:23.13 | stew | mysql takes as much resources as you are willing to give it |
| 04:23.21 | Dark_Wolf | I'm sick of having to use stupidly outdated machines as servers xD |
| 04:23.30 | stew | if you aren't willing to give it much, its going to use tons of disk access instead |
| 04:23.44 | Dark_Wolf | Which, I only have a 4GB HDD |
| 04:25.13 | stew | Dark_Wolf: you CAN use it to serve files with php/mysql |
| 04:25.22 | stew | it will NOT be fast |
| 04:25.35 | stew | it will, in fact, be slow |
| 04:25.45 | stew | and you'll not be able to serve many people at once |
| 04:25.51 | Dark_Wolf | Alright |
| 04:26.01 | Dark_Wolf | So far I've only used the machine as a bouncer |
| 04:26.16 | Dark_Wolf | But then my disk got corrupted and I figured I might as well install linux |
| 04:26.45 | stew | you could perhaps configure mysql to only use a couple dozen MB of ram, but then every php thread is going to want a few mb. so you will only be able to have a couple of concurrent apache threads |
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| 04:29.14 | neil_d | trying to compile a new kernel for my SBC... where in menuconfig is the option to setup the fuse system. |
| 04:29.59 | neil_d | Dark_Wolf: would tinysql work for you? |
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| 04:30.39 | Dark_Wolf | neil_d: It doesn't really matter whether I can run SQL or not. I was just wondering what the machine is capable of. Right now I don't have any use for SQL on it. |
| 04:31.30 | Dark_Wolf | Well, thanks stew. |
| 04:31.59 | Dark_Wolf | Do you think that Debian could have the same issue as slackware with the "Undefined video mode number" at boot? |
| 04:32.02 | blackshirt | neil_d: it was on filesystem support maybe |
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| 04:35.07 | neil_d | blackshirt: looking atm |
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| 04:38.09 | blackshirt | check it on Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers |
| 04:38.46 | blackshirt | and then on Asynchronous Transfer Mode support |
| 04:39.00 | neil_d | when compiling a new kernel where is the config file put in the source tree? |
| 04:40.09 | blackshirt | on root of your source directory.. with the name .config |
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| 04:40.49 | Sherry2 | Hi - reasonably new to linux & debian (have been using it for some months though) |
| 04:41.19 | Sherry2 | I have a question about dpkg - I have a package installed - is it possible to upgrade the package with dpkg & a newer version of the .deb |
| 04:41.33 | Sherry2 | because I tried it with webmin - it seems to uninstall & install the new one |
| 04:41.53 | streuner | Sherry2: What does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 04:42.08 | blackshirt | Sherry2: you will overwrite it.. |
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| 04:45.04 | anisfarhana | stew: i surrender to debian... |
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| 04:45.56 | anisfarhana | stew: i'm totally lost. |
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| 04:49.12 | k0rc | is there any word out when gnome-terminal would be upgraded to 2.32 version? |
| 04:49.43 | blackshirt | k0rc: what do you mean ?? |
| 04:50.23 | k0rc | right now in debian it's version 2.30 .. upstream (and ubuntu as well) are using 2.32 which has exactly the features which i (and i'm sure other ppl as well) been waiting for |
| 04:50.42 | k0rc | like run-time charset change, search inside terminal etc |
| 04:50.46 | _snowball | k0rc, is it in debian unstable? |
| 04:50.50 | k0rc | nope. |
| 04:50.54 | k0rc | not even in experimental |
| 04:51.09 | _snowball | Well, then download the source and compile it yourself. :) |
| 04:51.15 | k0rc | but mixing in ubuntu packages works, thoug. |
| 04:51.45 | k0rc | well.. i can do it but that's not much help to debian very much ;P |
| 04:54.38 | k0rc | that's why i'm asking if there are any considerations to put it into distribution anytime soon. |
| 04:54.57 | blackshirt | maybe you want become debian developer for packaging it :) |
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| 04:55.27 | k0rc | is the position vacant? i thought there was already a guy doing that. |
| 04:56.05 | k0rc | well, who i am fooling. i wouldn't have that time anyway. |
| 05:00.40 | blackshirt | k0rc: i don't know why.. |
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| 05:10.03 | _snowball | The entries have no spaces and they are separated by three spaces. |
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| 06:18.09 | Overshee | I'm having the worst time trying to set up an FTP server |
| 06:18.33 | Overshee | I'm trying to use Vsftpd, but it keeps saying login incorrect |
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| 06:18.45 | Overshee | I'm pretty new to linux in general and I can't figure out where I'm going wrong >.< |
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| 06:19.39 | KB1JWQ | Overshee: What's the authentication backend? |
| 06:20.02 | Overshee | FTP? |
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| 06:20.23 | qwd | trying to restore grub after windows messed it up. I'm in the rescue mode and in a busybox shell trying: grub-install '(hd0,1)' but it doesn |
| 06:20.26 | KB1JWQ | Yes, for your FTP box, what is the authentication backend? Something with PAM, something with /etc/passwd, a mysql DB, etc? |
| 06:20.32 | Overshee | I am not sure. |
| 06:20.51 | qwd | t work, also I'm on an eee pc so typing is hard, sorry for that :) any help with grub? |
| 06:20.51 | KB1JWQ | Welp, time to pastebin your config file. :) |
| 06:21.18 | WormFood | qwd, you need to run grub first, and then type in your commands to grub |
| 06:21.24 | qwd | Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 06:21.40 | qwd | WormFood: grub: not found |
| 06:22.28 | WormFood | qwd, then you need to boot from a media, that has the current version of grub installed (or at least have that version of grub accessible) |
| 06:22.51 | cahoot | sure you want grub on a partition - not on mbr? |
| 06:22.59 | qwd | I'm booting off the squeeze installation disc, alpha1 |
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| 06:23.12 | qwd | cahoot: I want it on mbr! |
| 06:23.22 | WormFood | qwd, I personally use knoppix for boot recovery, but the debian install CD also has a recovery mode, that works well (it should have grub installed) |
| 06:23.55 | qwd | WormFood: I |
| 06:24.04 | qwd | 'm only getting grub-installer |
| 06:24.37 | qwd | cahoot: so how do I install it to mbr? |
| 06:25.53 | WormFood | after grub is available, you can type "root (hd0,0)", "setup (hd0)", and "quit" to reinstall grub (those commands are typed from within grub)...also change (hd0,0) to something else, if grub is installed to a different drive/partition. |
| 06:26.46 | WormFood | if Linux is installed, and then you install windows, or overwrite the MBR from windows, then the commands I just gave will reinstall grub to the MBR |
| 06:27.32 | qwd | well, i'm getting grub not found with the installation disc |
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| 06:28.56 | WormFood | well, you need to find grub... |
| 06:29.01 | WormFood | how did you boot the computer? |
| 06:29.18 | qwd | i put the debian disc in and started it |
| 06:29.54 | WormFood | and doesn't the debian disc have a way to get a shell with your hard drive as root (/)? |
| 06:30.19 | qwd | I think so, I |
| 06:30.24 | qwd | 'm at the shell right now |
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| 06:30.50 | qwd | there |
| 06:31.08 | qwd | 's only grub-installer though, no "grub" |
| 06:31.22 | WormFood | what is your / directory? |
| 06:32.08 | qwd | I don't think i understand the question. how do i find out? |
| 06:32.20 | WormFood | usually "mount" |
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| 06:33.07 | WormFood | but that won't tell you if you're chrooted, or if you are, it may give you incorrect info |
| 06:33.32 | qwd | /dev/sda1 ..? i think that's my /boot partition since i'm doing full disk encryption |
| 06:33.56 | WormFood | how did you boot? |
| 06:34.11 | WormFood | did you boot from usb this time? or usb-cdrom? |
| 06:34.24 | qwd | no, from a cd |
| 06:36.07 | WormFood | you know, if the hard drive is encrypted, that is a critical piece of information the people trying to help you should know about. |
| 06:36.11 | blackshirt | qwd: are you on grub shell now ?? |
| 06:36.33 | WormFood | no blackshirt, scroll back and read...he can't find grub (only grub-install) |
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| 06:36.59 | WormFood | blackshirt, I've already given him the grub commands to reinstall grub to the MBR |
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| 06:37.31 | blackshirt | qwd: chroot to the mounted disk and then run grub-install |
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| 06:37.56 | qwd | blackshirt: i'm at the debian installation disc. when going to rescue mode i can use /dev/sda1 as root filesystem but not /dev/sda2 which give me "mount failed" |
| 06:38.51 | blackshirt | qwd: what is your /dev/sda2 partition... it's second partition on your disk ?? |
| 06:39.00 | qwd | and i can't execute the shell in /dev/sda1 it didn't find a usable shell. only the shell in installer environment |
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| 06:39.27 | qwd | blackshirt: it's the partitin with /, and sda1 is /boot. sda2 is encrypted |
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| 06:40.03 | qwd | but rescue mode had me type my password to the encrypted partition |
| 06:40.09 | blackshirt | qwd: sda2 is your root partition ?? |
| 06:40.15 | qwd | yeah |
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| 06:41.35 | blackshirt | qwd: can you run : find /boot/grub/stage1 on your shell |
| 06:42.47 | qwd | no suh file or dir |
| 06:43.09 | qwd | this is in rescue mode, shell on install environment |
| 06:43.47 | qwd | i tried chroot /target like it says but got: chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: no such file or directory |
| 06:44.14 | blackshirt | yes, i know.. try chroot /target /bin/bash |
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| 06:44.58 | qwd | blackshirt: same thing |
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| 06:46.33 | qwd | i have an ubuntu 10.04 disc with graphic install, should i try with that instead? |
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| 07:06.13 | qwd | ok, i managed to install grub with ubuntu cd but now i'm at grub> and according to the debian wiki i should type setup, but that doesn't exist, only set |
| 07:06.17 | KB1JWQ | Is there a "preferred" method of shoehorning java onto a Lenny box? |
| 07:06.24 | Overshee | aaaargh >.< |
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| 07:06.53 | pallgone | qwd: grub after booting? |
| 07:07.02 | qwd | pallgone: yeah |
| 07:07.10 | pallgone | you don't have setup there |
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| 07:08.10 | pallgone | setup you have on the grub prompt when you call it from the running system |
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| 07:08.32 | pallgone | AFAIK |
| 07:09.02 | pallgone | anway, you can try to boot from the prompt now |
| 07:09.21 | qwd | boot leads to no loaded kernel |
| 07:09.22 | pallgone | just set the root, load the kernel, initrd and go |
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| 07:13.17 | pallgone | got that? |
| 07:14.35 | qwd | don't think so. root was set to hd0,1 which is /boot i didn't know how to load the kernel though. but by then i had done a reboot to try setting it up from the live cd again |
| 07:15.21 | pallgone | ok, but you should probably learn to boot manually from grub, it's very useful |
| 07:16.14 | pallgone | it's not hard and it can spare you some hardship :) |
| 07:17.17 | qwd | it's 9am and i haven't gone to bed yet, i'm all for learning but not when i try to get some sleep during reboots :) |
| 07:18.32 | pallgone | ok, heh, if you are on the prompt again and lost, I'll help you boot it up :) |
| 07:19.11 | pallgone | says: sleep is for sissies |
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| 07:21.00 | pallgone | or see here: http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152790 |
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| 07:28.58 | qwd | pallgone: i looked at your link but i'm at the live cd terminal now and i don't have a clue what to do to set it up. |
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| 07:30.17 | qwd | i'm trying sudo grub-setup and then -b or -d and some directory but it just tells me to type --help instead which isn't of much help since i don't get it |
| 07:30.40 | pallgone | is it lenny you want to boot? |
| 07:31.04 | pallgone | debian 5? |
| 07:31.13 | qwd | pallgone: squeeze with full disk encryption on everything except /boot and i also want windows in the grub menu |
| 07:32.27 | pallgone | ah, well if grub2 is already installed now easiest would be to boot into squeeze and trigger update-grub |
| 07:32.45 | qwd | according to the ubuntu wiki both debian and windows should have been autodetected after installing grub but that doesn't seem to be the case |
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| 07:33.00 | qwd | alright, i'll reboot and see if i can start squeeze from grub then |
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| 07:36.43 | neil_d | I am using 'sarge' on a SBC ... I am trying to get encfs to work... I have gotten the fuse module running (according to lsmod)... but encfs is saying "fusermount: mount failed: Invalid argument" .. can anyone help? |
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| 07:37.48 | neil_d | I can't find any errors in the syslog or dmesg |
| 07:38.53 | qwd | i don't see anything in the list of possible commands that makes me think i should use it to start squeeze. i did set root=(hd0,1) like your guide said, but then linuc or initrd wont autocomplete past the directory |
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| 07:39.32 | blackshirt | qwd: i'm sorry, i'm out for a while |
| 07:39.59 | qwd | blackshirt: thanks for helping this far! |
| 07:40.20 | pallgone | qwd: where is squeeze installed? what partition? |
| 07:40.57 | qwd | pallgone: sda2 which is encrypted and uses lvm |
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| 07:41.16 | pallgone | and boot is located where? |
| 07:41.25 | qwd | sda1 |
| 07:41.51 | blackshirt | qwd: try this cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 encrypted-volume |
| 07:42.10 | pallgone | maybe the lvm module needs to loaded too |
| 07:42.15 | pallgone | *be |
| 07:42.36 | qwd | in grub? cryptsetup doesn't autocomplete there |
| 07:43.10 | pallgone | qwd: "insmod lvm" |
| 07:43.29 | qwd | pallgone: done |
| 07:44.04 | pallgone | now try to complete with cryptsetup |
| 07:44.34 | pallgone | (sorry I've not used encrypted partitions so I'm not sure how to handle them from grub prompt) |
| 07:44.52 | qwd | won't work :( |
| 07:46.01 | blackshirt | neil_d: what have been are you doing ?? |
| 07:46.37 | pallgone | hmm, if you have lvm it's probably not /dev/sda2 |
| 07:47.26 | blackshirt | qwd: before that, you must unlock the volume with cryptsetup above..and then mount them (encrypted volume) to file system |
| 07:47.42 | blackshirt | chrooting to them and then reinstall grub.. |
| 07:47.45 | neil_d | blackshirt: I managed to recompile the kernel for the SBC setting up fuse to be loaded as a module... |
| 07:49.20 | blackshirt | neil_d: your fuse module succesfully installed, is that right ?? |
| 07:49.45 | neil_d | blackshirt: I think so... lsmod is showing as setup. |
| 07:50.05 | blackshirt | yes.. i think so.. so, what the next ? |
| 07:50.13 | qwd | blackshirt: cryptsetup isn't available from grub, neither does mounting or chrooting seem to be |
| 07:50.45 | qwd | wow, i *really* regret reinstalling windows. |
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| 07:50.57 | blackshirt | qwd: booting through your live cd and execute throught normal shell |
| 07:51.57 | neil_d | when I use encfs after entering the password I get the error message "fusermount: mount failed: Invalid argument"... but I haven't managed to find out what is wrong! |
| 07:53.24 | blackshirt | are you have been setup folder for mount ??? |
| 07:53.37 | blackshirt | describe your step detailly, please |
| 07:55.32 | neil_d | I removed source and destination directories, I ran the command "encfs /root/encrypt/ /root/decrypt/" choose the parinoid setup.. entered a password... then got the error. |
| 07:57.48 | blackshirt | are you place it on root directory ? |
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| 07:58.31 | neil_d | blackshirt: yes... I am currently logged in as root. |
| 07:59.23 | blackshirt | can you pastebin completely ?? .. |
| 08:00.01 | neil_d | yes! do you want the output of the encfs in verbose mode? |
| 08:00.24 | blackshirt | yes, every step maybe better |
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| 08:02.05 | blackshirt | qwd: still there ?? |
| 08:03.21 | qwd | blackshirt: yeah i'm trying something pallgone pmed. encryptedfilesystemlvmhowto on ubuntu wiki. the booting fails part |
| 08:04.13 | blackshirt | qwd: is it solve the problem ?? |
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| 08:04.40 | qwd | blackshirt: don't know yet |
| 08:05.36 | blackshirt | just try .. |
| 08:05.51 | angel-tsankov | wonders if it is possible to connect to a locked session on a linux system |
| 08:06.41 | blackshirt | angel-tsankov: what do you think... ? |
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| 08:07.28 | angel-tsankov | blackshirt, I found x11vnc, but it seem it does not quite suit my needs |
| 08:07.32 | blackshirt | neil_d: how ?? |
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| 08:08.41 | pallgone | angel-tsankov: vino is pretty good... |
| 08:08.59 | neil_d | blackshirt: the encfs output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/JrAw7eCU |
| 08:09.14 | blackshirt | neil_d: wait a minute |
| 08:09.59 | angel-tsankov | pallgone: is it possible to connect to an active session with vino? |
| 08:11.04 | qwd | i'm at the mount proc and sys part, how do i do this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto#Booting fails |
| 08:11.58 | pallgone | angel-tsankov: it should be, it's built into gnome, if you have gnome you just need to enable remote desktop from preferences |
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| 08:12.31 | angel-tsankov | pallgone: I use KDE; is it possible to use vino with KDE? |
| 08:12.50 | angel-tsankov | cannot connecto to login.messaging.aol.com; anyone has a clue why? |
| 08:13.22 | flaccid | i'm using debootstrap to make an image that will use a swap partition. can do mkswap, but using chroot i don't want to run swapon and use it because its an image. do i configure swapon on boot somewhere in rc or is fstab enough? |
| 08:13.32 | blackshirt | neil_d; are u have try with expert mode ?? |
| 08:13.39 | pallgone | angel-tsankov: it should work on any DE |
| 08:14.01 | flaccid | hmm looks like its in /init.d/mountall.sh |
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| 08:14.14 | neil_d | blackshirt: no but I can... hang on a bit and I wil. |
| 08:14.18 | angel-tsankov | how can I see which files belong to vino? |
| 08:15.20 | saac | dpkg -S vino |
| 08:15.20 | dpkg | There is no record of a vino package |
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| 08:16.33 | qwd | thanks for all the help but it doesn't seem i'll solve this today- i'm off to bed and hopefully i can solve this somehow tommorrow |
| 08:17.02 | pallgone | sleep well :) |
| 08:17.19 | angel-tsankov | and how can I search for a file (by file pattern) in all installed packages |
| 08:19.03 | neil_d | blackshirt: I tried a couple of variations in expert mode.. one using aes ... one using blowfish... both had the same result as before. |
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| 08:23.42 | xxtjaxx | hmm Bug:#553502 (RC Bug) could be fixed if we find somebody to mentor the upload :/ |
| 08:23.46 | blackshirt | neil_d: what your fuse-utils still from sarge repository ?? |
| 08:25.04 | neil_d | yes! I used apt-get to install everything. (except the new kernel) |
| 08:25.27 | blackshirt | ok neil_d, try to upgrade your fuse utils |
| 08:26.36 | blackshirt | neil_d: i'm going to out off for a while..maybe other here can help you |
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| 08:30.55 | saac | angel-tsankov: apt-file update; apt-file search <filename>, you can use globbing. |
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| 08:47.08 | ttiicc | could I have empty line in cron? This so I could group line with same functionality and seperate them from other jobs with a empty line |
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| 08:48.44 | flaccid | ttiicc: yes |
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| 08:50.12 | tdebrouw | hi |
| 08:50.53 | ttiicc | thanks |
| 08:51.09 | tdebrouw | does anyone know why debian testing is still on 2.6.32? |
| 08:51.16 | tdebrouw | *linux 2.6.32? |
| 08:51.31 | flaccid | i'd say thats what its frozen at |
| 08:51.39 | tdebrouw | any idea why? |
| 08:51.45 | flaccid | nope |
| 08:51.49 | flaccid | try irc.debian.org |
| 08:51.51 | tdebrouw | :) |
| 08:52.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | tdebrouw: havea guess why |
| 08:52.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | tdebrouw: i'll give you a hint, its similar to ice :p |
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| 08:52.52 | tdebrouw | Kamping_Kaiser: euh.... *thinking*.... |
| 08:53.22 | tdebrouw | Kamping_Kaiser: *feeling really stupid now*... |
| 08:53.52 | tdebrouw | Kamping_Kaiser: just the word frozen prob? |
| 08:54.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | tdebrouw: debian is in deep freeze, so no major version bumps |
| 08:54.38 | flaccid | i think you mean minor |
| 08:54.51 | tdebrouw | Kamping_Kaiser: euh? why is it in deep freeze? *I must sound really stupid now :-/* |
| 08:54.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: perhaps i should hsave /s/major // |
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| 08:55.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | tdebrouw: working towards release |
| 08:55.16 | flaccid | yep |
| 08:55.45 | tdebrouw | k |
| 08:56.07 | tdebrouw | sid is also on 2.6.32 |
| 08:56.22 | tdebrouw | everyone working on a release? |
| 08:56.28 | tdebrouw | :) |
| 08:56.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | tdebrouw: everyone in the entire world... but you :p |
| 08:57.16 | tdebrouw | i am a faithfull user :P |
| 08:57.28 | tdebrouw | have been one for >5 years |
| 08:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well,l my poor old 95 year old aunt is sick... but everyone else |
| 08:58.51 | tdebrouw | I know at least 3 other user who are not working on it, some of my colleagues use ubuntu. |
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| 08:59.44 | tdebrouw | and they kinda dislike the clearly-superior os. |
| 09:00.06 | tdebrouw | so, at least 5 people are not working on it |
| 09:00.15 | angel-tsankov | and how can I search for a file (by file pattern) in not yet installed packages |
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| 09:00.17 | doubleukay | hi guys, what are my options if during installation lenny does not detect a controller? am thinking of installing a temporary (and detectable) controller, completing install, then upgrade the kernel to the latest backport which does support it. |
| 09:00.33 | doubleukay | angel-tsankov: http://packages.debian.org can help you there |
| 09:01.24 | llutz | angel-tsankov: apt-file |
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| 09:02.55 | angel-tsankov | llutz: thanks :) |
| 09:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell doubleukay -about kmuto |
| 09:05.06 | doubleukay | CutMeOwnThroat: gotcha, thanks |
| 09:05.34 | doubleukay | it is a FAQ huh :) |
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| 09:06.31 | Bartzy|work | I have a dynamic IP @ home, I use DYNDNS to have a domain (whatever.dyndns.com) that will map to the current IP... Can I make iptables to always allow the IP that's behind whatever.dyndns.com ATM ? |
| 09:06.33 | Bartzy|work | meaning this IP behind the dyndns domain will be white-listed for SSH port for example, while all other IP addresses will be dropped ? |
| 09:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | doubleukay, installing 2-year old stable on new systems? Kind of :) |
| 09:08.13 | doubleukay | wonder what it was like during the sarge days. |
| 09:08.23 | doubleukay | (I only started using debian towards the completion of etch) |
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| 09:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bartzy|work, probably, but it's not a very good idea... just use fail2ban to prevent too many repeated login attempts |
| 09:12.44 | Bartzy|work | CutMeOwnThroat: No, I want to set up a firewall so certain ports will only be available to my IP. |
| 09:13.12 | rozie | Bartzy|work: if you have now traffic there, consider portknocking (knockd IIRC) |
| 09:13.22 | rozie | s/now/low/ |
| 09:13.58 | Bartzy|work | rozie: Low traffic to those certain ports ? Or to the whole server ? Portknocking is consuming a lot of resources from the firewall ? |
| 09:14.15 | rozie | low traffic on the whole server |
| 09:14.50 | simonrvn | Bartzy|work: you might to look into making that script pick up the ip and use it to create the rule(s), or use something that can (like ferm, et al) |
| 09:15.20 | rozie | a few years ago with 30 mbit or so and single core, cpu load was noticable |
| 09:16.49 | Bartzy|work | simonrvn: So iptables can't 'allow' on certain hosts ? You suggest to set up a cronjob each hour that does a ping to my hostname , gets the IP and updates the firewall rules ? |
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| 09:17.19 | simonrvn | yes it can |
| 09:17.39 | rozie | Bartzy|work: allow also established connections |
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| 09:18.06 | simonrvn | but if you use that for a certain ip (like you said...) then you'll need to update it every time the ip changes. |
| 09:19.00 | Bartzy|work | OK thanks :| |
| 09:19.13 | simonrvn | depending on your 'net cxn., you could hook it into /etc/network/if-up.d/, say |
| 09:19.24 | simonrvn | no need for cron jobs |
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| 09:21.36 | Bartzy|work | net cxn ? |
| 09:21.52 | simonrvn | internet connection |
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| 09:23.55 | Bartzy|work | yep but the changing IP is in my house |
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| 09:24.01 | Bartzy|work | and the firewall is in the server |
| 09:24.19 | Bartzy|work | the server will (hopefully) never use the if-up.d scripts :)\ |
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| 09:28.08 | bolt-work | I need to forward a total of 10000 ports over SSH to support some ridiculous software. Any idea how that could be done? SSH doesn't support ranges, and bash doesn't particularly enjoy the 10000 arguments created by $(for (( i=20001; i<=30000; i++ )); do echo -n " -R $i:localhost:$i"; done) |
| 09:28.14 | bolt-work | anything else i can use? |
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| 09:28.52 | ov3rmind | hi to all |
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| 09:28.59 | bolt-work | FOR THE SWARM! |
| 09:29.19 | debarshi | I need some help in creating a Debian package for a kernel driver that I backported to work with the official kernel. I can manage creating packages for GNU Autotools driven tarballs, but this one looks different. Any pointers would be nice. |
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| 09:33.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, haha... |
| 09:33.42 | NoReflex | hello! anyone use SSD on debian? any thoughts on performance? I was looking at Corsair and OCZ (285MB/s read, 275 MB/s write) and also at Intel but I have no idea how they perform in Linux and how reliable they are. Can someone shed some light on this? |
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| 09:34.35 | liable | i have a laptop with an ssd drive, its blazingly fast for a laptop |
| 09:34.49 | liable | ask me in a year if its reliable ;) |
| 09:36.01 | NoReflex | liable, which SSD? I've seen that newer OCZ and Corsair models have better performance (at least advertised) but I also read some posts that within weeks bad sectors appeared |
| 09:36.40 | doubleukay | bolt-work: lol @ riduculous. hm have you tried specifying the ports in ~/.ssh/config ? |
| 09:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, how about using LocalForward/RemoteForward in ssh_config? |
| 09:36.47 | liable | NoReflex: i'm not sure tha manufacturer, it came in my thinkpad |
| 09:37.26 | liable | NoReflex: i've hard rebooted it enough and fsck has never come up with bad sectors yet |
| 09:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, also, one can't help but wonder if you asked the wrong question somewhere along the way |
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| 09:39.53 | NoReflex | liable, lshw -C disk should tell you |
| 09:40.04 | bolt-work | CutMeOwnThroat: as in, can I ask the software to use other ports, can I use it with socks and dynamic forwarding, just allow a port range through the firewall or something along those lines? i've thought about it. there are problems with all those :( |
| 09:40.25 | bolt-work | doubleukay, CutMeOwnThroat: i'll check if it can be done in the ssh config. thanks :) |
| 09:40.49 | simonrvn | bolt-work: split up the job bash has to do |
| 09:41.14 | bolt-work | simonrvn: you mean open several ssh connections, each with the allowed number of arguments? or? |
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| 09:42.01 | simonrvn | 0 -> n, n+1 -> n+5000, etc. |
| 09:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not number of arguments, but total lenght, though? |
| 09:43.10 | Hutch | Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/' not found - ignoring (same for 75 n 100 dpi) |
| 09:43.14 | Hutch | but there are fonts in there |
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| 09:43.23 | simonrvn | *shrug*, whatever works |
| 09:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... 127.0.0.1 l in /etc/hosts would help somewhat... still, that sounds more like ... dunno vpn or something |
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| 09:44.45 | simonrvn | 127.0.1.1 l ; don't want to f up localhost |
| 09:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's fucking up localhost, then debian install already did it for you |
| 09:45.18 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 09:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | check your /etc/hosts if you don't believe me |
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| 09:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt-work, there's also apf-server/client, never seen it before, though |
| 09:46.39 | simonrvn | i think you misunderstood me |
| 09:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 09:46.50 | simonrvn | but i think you get the point |
| 09:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 09:47.03 | iulhk | hi all .. i forget the command, where we enable all services like vsfpd.. sshd, etc .. we just have to check or uncheck ? |
| 09:47.18 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 09:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are already several names mapped to 127.0.0.1, there's nothing wrong with adding another |
| 09:47.37 | Dewi | NoReflex: preventing bad sectors is the job of the firmware; a decent device should have decent wear levelling |
| 09:48.08 | Dewi | NoReflex: the one software interaction I am aware of is that you should use an OS capable of the TRIM command |
| 09:48.26 | bolt-work | iulhk: you really shouldn't be using some service management software... set them up yourself, and you'll have a lot better idea what's going on with your system |
| 09:48.30 | Dewi | NoReflex: which is in Linux 2.6.33 and above |
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| 09:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | iulhk, "apt-cache search runlevel" |
| 09:48.59 | Dewi | NoReflex: which isn't quite available in debian backports just yet |
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| 09:49.46 | Dewi | NoReflex: this is more for long-term performance than for durability of the medium, but one probably helps the other to some extent |
| 09:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | iulhk, gives you a few programs... update-rc.d or rcconf are two |
| 09:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell iulhk -about services |
| 09:50.44 | iulhk | <CutMeOwnThroat>: the command, give u a window where you just have to select or un select all the services ? |
| 09:52.19 | iulhk | i think it was .. setup ... but its not working at my debian |
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| 09:54.42 | NoReflex | Dewi, I can use wiper.sh from time to time if TRIM isn' quite there :) |
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| 09:54.56 | debarshi | Where can I find some documentation on how to use dh_make for packaging kernel modules? |
| 09:55.33 | debarshi | I have the dh_make man page, but I want to know how my source package should look like for dh_make (and dpkg-buildpackage) to work. |
| 09:55.38 | bolt-work | dammit. tried the config option, but I get "Too many remote forwards (max 100)." |
| 09:55.56 | doubleukay | lol |
| 09:56.04 | bolt-work | limitations everywhere! |
| 09:56.23 | bolt-work | attacks the proprietary software he has to run |
| 09:56.54 | doubleukay | why does it need 10k port forwards? |
| 09:57.36 | Dewi | NoReflex: ah okay |
| 09:58.22 | Dewi | NoReflex: I haven't used an SSD; the ones worth buying are still too expensive for me |
| 09:58.33 | Dewi | NoReflex: looking forward to prices dropping a little more tho |
| 09:58.54 | bolt-work | doubleukay: every time it starts, it picks a random port between 20001 and 30000 and tells another server about it through an encrypted connection. the other server will refer the client software to that port to get the correct instance. several of them can run at any given time. |
| 09:58.54 | Dewi | what I really need, though, is not so much one *I* can afford, but one my *employer* can afford |
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| 09:59.45 | bolt-work | doubleukay: i'm not feeling the whole "attempt to figure out which ports there are servers on and react by making port forwards" thing, but it seems i might have to |
| 09:59.54 | iulhk | thanx all it was ... sysvconfig :) |
| 10:00.07 | bolt-work | doubleukay: i'd have to check for new ones very often |
| 10:00.19 | bolt-work | doubleukay: and use keyless login, i guess |
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| 10:00.53 | doubleukay | hmph. I wonder if you can... spawn a process listening on ports 20000-29999, forcing the software to give up and use 30000 ;) |
| 10:01.30 | bolt-work | doubleukay: i don't think it cares about other processes. it only knows which ones the other instances of itself is using |
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| 10:01.50 | bolt-work | doubleukay: i could try though |
| 10:01.59 | iulhk | and now i am unable to ssh my debian machine ? which services should be run to access via ssh ? |
| 10:02.03 | doubleukay | nah don't. surely there is a more sane way. |
| 10:02.07 | bolt-work | iulhk: sshd |
| 10:02.31 | bolt-work | doubleukay: sane is not in the manual of this software |
| 10:02.40 | anisfarhana | stew: mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 ! |
| 10:02.45 | anisfarhana | stew: i found it! |
| 10:02.54 | iulhk | <bolt-work>: sshd is working .. but still getting this error? network connection refused ? |
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| 10:03.08 | bolt-work | iulhk: firewall? try connecting to the ssh server from the local machine |
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| 10:03.41 | iulhk | <bolt-work>: firewall is stopped |
| 10:04.00 | bolt-work | iulhk: try connecting to the ssh server from the local machine |
| 10:04.06 | iulhk | okz |
| 10:05.03 | doubleukay | bolt-work: what environment is the software originally meant to be used in? surely not one which needed ssh tunneling? |
| 10:06.25 | bolt-work | doubleukay: inside a "turtle" network, with no internal firewalls, just hard outside ones. however, i'm trying to use it from a remote side, on an untrusted machine which therefore should not have vpn access, only access to that particular service. that's the reason for the remote forwards as well. i'm ssh'ing to that machine, not the other way around. not putting any passwords or keys on the remote box |
| 10:08.02 | doubleukay | (kinda reminds me of java rmi) |
| 10:08.07 | iulhk | <bolt-work>: thanx .. its working now |
| 10:08.07 | bolt-work | doubleukay: i can, however, set up passwordless ssh connections to the remote box, so i guess i can make some script to monitor the ports and dynamically open a ssh connection with port forwarding for each running instance of the server software |
| 10:08.21 | bolt-work | iulhk: you're welcome |
| 10:08.41 | kwork | bolt-work, why not vpn + firewall? |
| 10:10.17 | bolt-work | kwork: then i'd need access to set up a firewall, meaning tickets to operations and all sorts of corporate processes :) think i'll go with a script for now |
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| 10:10.37 | kwork | bolt-work, set up firewall at the vpn termination box |
| 10:11.00 | bolt-work | kwork: see above |
| 10:11.02 | kwork | thou it would be cleaner to vpn+firewall at perimeter firewall |
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| 10:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | thou shalt not cleaner! |
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| 10:41.21 | rgammans | debian installer in squeeze allows installation over wifi. Does it only support WEP though? It doens't find my WPA secure AP and specfically prompts for a wep key |
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| 10:42.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | rgammans: no wep support - see the relevant argument on debian-devel at the moment |
| 10:42.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | (mail list) |
| 10:42.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, no *wpa support |
| 10:44.01 | rgammans | ahh. Though as much. Never mind. If debian-devel is aware I won't open a bug. |
| 10:44.41 | rgammans | wpa after all needs a tad more from the host than wep. |
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| 10:46.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | rgammans: the thread is a few dozen posts if you want to read it |
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| 10:46.50 | rgammans | Yep, this thread right (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/11/msg00008.html) |
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| 10:48.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup, that one |
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| 11:03.02 | SmileyG | Does anyone here know why java might get a connection refused, but can ping the server normally (its some guys debian system i'm trying to help him debug) |
| 11:03.16 | SmileyG | he did have privoxy, but its been turned off.... |
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| 11:04.12 | stew | SmileyG: try putting "net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0" into /etc/sysctl.conf and run "sysctl -p" |
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| 11:06.57 | SmileyG | then stew its "echo net.ipv6.bindv6only >> /etc/sysctl.conf" right? |
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| 11:08.45 | mplabs | Hello! |
| 11:09.08 | blackshirt | hello mplabs |
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| 11:10.40 | mplabs | I just installed Debian sid, I will try to use it.. the problem is that I don't have any repository (actually just ftp.us.debian.org/debian/) and it's hard to find packages. the question is, should I add something else ? I bet my source.list is incomplete to use sid |
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| 11:14.04 | SmileyG | That worked beautifully stew, many thanks (once the guy finally undeerstood how to edit the file -_-) |
| 11:14.23 | blackshirt | mplabs: yes exactly.. you can use another repository, run apt-get update |
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| 11:15.08 | mplabs | blackshirt, the point is that I didn't find any other official repository than this one |
| 11:15.11 | Rada | hi... I just partitioned a disk with cfdisk and then did mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb... Now I'm trying to mount it but it says "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" |
| 11:16.35 | blackshirt | mplabs: i don't think so... it's mine deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:16.37 | Rada | sorry, found the wiki entry :) |
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| 11:18.04 | mplabs | oh, ok! they have unstable support, thank you blackshirt |
| 11:18.56 | mplabs | wait a minute, it's the same as mine ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 11:19.56 | blackshirt | check this deb http://opensource.nchc.org.tw/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:20.23 | blackshirt | mplabs: where do you come from... |
| 11:20.48 | {g} | Hey People! Im trying to access a https server via Curl. It works fine when I conenct from one machine, but hangs after "SSLv2, Client hello (1)" when I connect from my other machine. Interestingly my first machine uses SSLv3. But forcing SSLv3 with curl -3 results in the same hang. Any ideas? |
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| 11:23.12 | mplabs | done! I just saw my old source.list (lenny) and added http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid [...] to my new source.list, it works fine |
| 11:23.15 | mplabs | thank you again |
| 11:25.08 | mplabs | well, in fact I still think it's incomplete |
| 11:25.15 | mplabs | but it's better |
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| 11:39.38 | SPF | to update to 5.0.6, do I have to change deb*lenny* into deb*Debian5.0.6* in sources.list? |
| 11:39.57 | jpinx-eeepc | SPF: no |
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| 11:40.19 | jpinx-eeepc | SPF: just do aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 11:40.52 | SPF | jpinx-eeepc: ok, I'll try that |
| 11:41.02 | st__ | how can I kill process when bash stuck? |
| 11:41.24 | abrotman | bash stuck ? |
| 11:41.38 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: do ps -e | grep <the name> and then kill it by ps number |
| 11:41.54 | st__ | yes it has no prompt and everything I type just prints on the screen |
| 11:42.05 | SPF | jpinx-eeepc: it says there's nothing to upgrade |
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| 11:42.28 | jpinx-eeepc | SPF: what does uname -a say? |
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| 11:42.53 | SPF | Linux pc1 2.6.28-34-fitpc2 #11 Mon Sep 21 13:53:16 IDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:42.54 | abrotman | st__: so it's doing something .. do yu want to kill the job iwht ctrl-c ? |
| 11:42.59 | jpinx-eeepc | or cat /etc/debian_veersion |
| 11:43.17 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe ctrl-s and ctrl-q |
| 11:43.26 | SPF | 5.0.6. Ah, I was looking for that file! |
| 11:43.27 | st__ | abrotman, no it's bg task |
| 11:43.28 | abrotman | it would be ctrl-q .. |
| 11:43.49 | abrotman | st__: so start another prompt .. login, kill it |
| 11:43.58 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: open another xterm or tty and do the ps thing |
| 11:44.30 | st__ | abrotman, jpinx-eeepc yes I did but bash stuck! |
| 11:44.37 | abrotman | it's stuck again? with a new one? |
| 11:45.17 | st__ | abrotman, I already open another console and logged in but bash either stuk or not there yet |
| 11:45.38 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: log in as a different user? |
| 11:45.51 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: in tty1 log in as root? |
| 11:46.17 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: take your shoe off and hit it? |
| 11:47.06 | st__ | so I need to use Reset button? omg |
| 11:47.33 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: can you not login as root in anothe tty? |
| 11:47.54 | st__ | jpinx-eeepc, i have disabvlet root login and only user |
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| 11:48.18 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: is it a remote box or something? |
| 11:48.31 | st__ | no normal computer |
| 11:50.08 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: what app did you start that has frozen it? |
| 11:50.25 | st__ | jpinx-eeepc, openoffice |
| 11:51.20 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: if tthere's nothing going to go missing, it's probably easiest for you to reboot, but enable local root login ffs! ;)1 |
| 11:51.41 | st__ | jpinx-eeepc, root processes have more priority? |
| 11:51.51 | jpinx-eeepc | st__: you can admin a box if you can't login :p |
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| 11:53.34 | st__ | bah just reset thanks anyone |
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| 11:54.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ah-ha.... |
| 11:54.40 | jpinx-eeepc | OOo was probably munching cyrillic ;) |
| 11:56.07 | jelly | Hi, how do I make the inteldrmfb frame buffer percieve the change in output device size/geometry? This is an i965 board, squeeze, kernel modesetting active |
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| 12:00.08 | tupix | Hi all. I've just installed LDAP and configured all the files need to autenticate the system. But when i use the ldapsearch -x -D cn=manager and type de password setted at the installation i got "invalid credentials", somebody knows what could be? |
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| 12:03.13 | xaxes_ | hey all.. Im trying to boot into a debian from cd / usb .. but it doesnt go further after probing some scsi devices .. is this a known bug? |
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| 12:14.04 | cusco | hail |
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| 12:16.21 | miasma | is it possible to prevent apt-get from installing /usr/share/docs ? |
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| 12:16.40 | miasma | i rarely read them. mostly on demand. they seem to need 1.2 GB of space |
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| 12:17.19 | finetic | Hi. I am running Debian Lenny. I run Virtual Box with Windows Server 2003 as a virtual machine in it.. eth0 is an external ip.. is it possible to make an extra internal network in it? |
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| 12:18.35 | abrotman | finetic: you want to do bridgin .. vbox already does this for you |
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| 12:19.01 | finetic | abrotman: bridging does not give me internet access on the vm |
| 12:19.08 | jelly | miasma: if you're making an embedded system, you can put hooks in apt.conf to remove files in /usr/share/doc after dpkg installs a package |
| 12:19.14 | abrotman | finetic: then you did it wrong |
| 12:19.43 | finetic | abrotman: also, i run OpenVPN server on the debian lenny system. i would prefer that my home windows xp and the windows server 2003 connect to it and both get an internal ip where can be connected between |
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| 12:19.48 | xaxes_ | it seems to hang right on the place the ncurse-installer should appear.. |
| 12:20.01 | xaxes_ | any ideas? the same image boots correctly in virtualbox |
| 12:20.09 | abrotman | finetic: you want to use bridging |
| 12:20.10 | miasma | jelly: thanks. no, this is just an ordinary pc. not having extra files on root file system improves seek times so i guess it's justified to remove those |
| 12:20.52 | jelly | miasma: /usr/share/doc can be put on a different filesystem if you really worry about seek times |
| 12:21.06 | miasma | jelly: sure. i just have no use for the docs |
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| 12:22.07 | miasma | jelly: 20% of the space required by my debian installation comes from usr/share/doc |
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| 12:24.07 | jelly | 20% of say 10GB is just 2GB, and consumer devices these days are quite large |
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| 12:24.52 | miasma | jelly: that's irrelevant |
| 12:26.13 | miasma | jelly: in my opinion there could be some interactive doc fetch system. doc packages are only fetched if the user really needs them. would also save in bandwidth & server costs for the debian project |
| 12:26.28 | stew | miasma: code it up! |
| 12:26.46 | miasma | not a bad idea |
| 12:26.49 | stew | miasma: or help split some of the packages with lots of docs into a separate doc package |
| 12:26.50 | jelly | miasma: noy many people have the need to solve this. |
| 12:27.18 | miasma | jelly: i guess debian users in general want to read the docs. some other distros have completely left out docs. e.g. arch linux |
| 12:27.27 | stew | miasma: some of the files in /usr/share/doc are not going away without changing debian policy however |
| 12:27.32 | miasma | stew: yeap |
| 12:27.38 | stew | miasma: and /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright is never going away |
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| 12:28.22 | jelly | however, policy guarantees packages will work even if /usr/share/doc is removed completely, doesn't it |
| 12:28.50 | stew | doesn't sound familiar, though I can't think of a counter-example |
| 12:28.55 | miasma | it's easy to test |
| 12:29.07 | stew | jelly: well wait, if the actual doc directory is removed, I'd expect breakage |
| 12:29.45 | miasma | another point is, I manage several debian systems. the usr/share/docs in some systems are redundant |
| 12:30.15 | Strogg | miasma: you know of the localepurge package? why don't you just make a docpurge package? |
| 12:30.43 | miasma | Strogg: that's probably one way to do it |
| 12:30.58 | stew | miasma: or add a dpkg Post-Invoke hook to apt.conf |
| 12:31.07 | tdn | I use apache2 on Lenny. I see that there is a default /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 that rotates /var/log/apache2/*.log. How do I make this file rotate logs in /data/www/virtual/*/log/*.log ? |
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| 12:31.34 | tdn | Can I just copy the default block and add it one more time for the other path? |
| 12:31.56 | Strogg | ooh.. 629M of docs.. Damn. that is kinda sizeable |
| 12:32.03 | jelly | stew, miasma: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f97 |
| 12:32.17 | miasma | jelly: thanks |
| 12:32.35 | stew | jelly: i read this as being distinctly about files and not directories though |
| 12:32.47 | jelly | stew: that's certainly possible |
| 12:32.59 | stew | jelly: like how you can delete any file you want in /var/cache, but if you remove /var/cache/apt/archives thinks break |
| 12:33.00 | jelly | perhaps even probably |
| 12:33.09 | miasma | jelly: of course some packages break. e.g. doc viewers |
| 12:33.09 | jelly | probable* |
| 12:33.18 | stew | maybe even probably perhaps its possible |
| 12:34.06 | miasma | jelly: e.g. texdoctk depends no tex documentation |
| 12:34.09 | miasma | *on |
| 12:34.39 | jelly | nah, definitely certainly probable and not probably perhaps possible |
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| 12:36.21 | stew | i'll take your word on it |
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| 12:40.51 | Diytto | :) |
| 12:40.57 | Diytto | My install dvd is burned |
| 12:41.04 | Diytto | Now im downloading the update |
| 12:41.14 | d5e | assuming I have 1 GB usb flash key and I copied a debian live image with ~730MB onto it (via dd) ... the key is booting properly but I would like to extend the partition to the full size of 1GB ... what would be the proper way retaining the boot ability ? |
| 12:41.34 | Diytto | :O |
| 12:41.49 | Diytto | d5e: Where do you get a debian live image? |
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| 12:42.00 | d5e | from http://live.debian.net/ |
| 12:42.08 | Diytto | Orly |
| 12:42.25 | Diytto | I looked at that before i think and there was no ppc one :( |
| 12:42.56 | d5e | just i386 and amd64 (if we are at the same topic) |
| 12:43.07 | Diytto | Yea |
| 12:43.16 | Diytto | I have a ppc so no helpful |
| 12:43.22 | d5e | mac ? |
| 12:43.47 | Diytto | Would i386 run on a higher intel computer too? |
| 12:43.52 | d5e | yep |
| 12:43.56 | Diytto | Cool |
| 12:44.13 | Diytto | I want to make a i386 boot usb >:D |
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| 12:44.19 | Diytto | Take it to school |
| 12:44.20 | Diytto | Lol |
| 12:44.25 | d5e | why not |
| 12:44.34 | Diytto | Welllll |
| 12:44.43 | Diytto | Im downloading debian atm so i cant yet |
| 12:44.51 | Diytto | :p |
| 12:45.05 | d5e | any idea regarding that partition enlarge topic ? |
| 12:45.26 | Diytto | I dont know personally |
| 12:45.32 | Diytto | If i did i would help :( |
| 12:45.49 | d5e | np |
| 12:45.55 | Diytto | Just wait around a little while |
| 12:46.31 | abrotman | d5e: there is a growiso command IIRC |
| 12:46.41 | Diytto | I seriously need to get eggdrop up with a uno script :) |
| 12:47.05 | d5e | growiso - that sounds cool ! :) |
| 12:47.31 | Diytto | growiso |
| 12:47.43 | Diytto | It actually makes sense :O |
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| 12:51.09 | Number5 | Hello guys, I see during bootup the message "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" twice. Is that normal? I'm using Lenny. |
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| 12:56.53 | Diytto | What is nfs |
| 12:57.05 | qwd | I need to recover grub after a Windows installation. I'm using full disk encryption and lvm on Debian Squeeze AMD64. I've gotten grub to install and i can boot into it but there aren't any entries so i can't actually start Debian, only mess around in grub cli. Right now I'm at the ubuntu live cd. Can someone help me fix Grub so I get to choose between Debian and Windows from it? |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | Diytto: ask google/wikipedia |
| 12:57.45 | abrotman | qwd: chroot into your debian install .. install grub from there |
| 12:58.00 | Diytto | K |
| 12:58.51 | Diytto | Debian is a boss man |
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| 13:02.05 | qwd | abrotman: I *think* I've chrooted into my debian install by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto#Booting fails but i'm stuck at the mount proc and sys part and don't know what to do |
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| 13:14.15 | Number5 | qwd: nfs -> network file system/share? the Unix version of samba if I remember, but what has this to do with statd? |
| 13:15.11 | abrotman | Number5: man statd |
| 13:15.35 | Number5 | thnx abrotman |
| 13:16.22 | Number5 | abrotman: but why does it shows twice during booting sequence? |
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| 13:28.35 | ethanol | guys how can I determine if the content of a text file is iso or utf8? |
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| 13:29.41 | Number5 | I guess in the header of the file |
| 13:29.59 | ethanol | eh? |
| 13:30.02 | ethanol | what header? |
| 13:30.09 | Number5 | I don't know if you know how to use hex editor |
| 13:30.20 | ethanol | that's ano |
| 13:30.29 | Number5 | ano? |
| 13:31.17 | ethanol | yeah I missed the space bar, surely you figured that out |
| 13:31.35 | Number5 | well you never know with three letter acronym |
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| 13:32.34 | ethanol | file -bi returns application/xml on both files |
| 13:32.44 | ethanol | but one of them is not valid utf8, the other one is |
| 13:32.55 | ethanol | I need a conclusive way to determine/prove this |
| 13:33.15 | Number5 | ethanol: I'm afraid I can't be much of your help. I only know that most files which use some kind of format, have some signature so the program knows what type of file is dealing with. |
| 13:34.06 | Number5 | ls |
| 13:34.10 | Number5 | oops :p |
| 13:34.23 | dkr | ethanol: you could validate with perl |
| 13:35.09 | ethanol | nevermind, did a cat |
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| 13:35.16 | ethanol | shows a block in the invalid file for the bad char |
| 13:35.24 | ethanol | the other one displays fine |
| 13:35.29 | ethanol | that's enough proof for me |
| 13:35.47 | ethanol | if they want more, they can have a finger. frickin wasting my time :< |
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| 13:37.45 | Number5 | ethanol: when you read a file in raw mode, you can read the header part, which tells something about the file. For example a jpeg file has a header which tells some value information about the file, how it is compressed, what size etc... That header part can also tell, in case of a text file, whether it's a utf8 or not etc... |
| 13:38.12 | ethanol | what is an easy tool to view the raw file then though? cause I never go beyond vim |
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| 13:39.19 | Number5 | it is possible to show a file in hex mode in Vim, but don't ask me how, I'm still learning the fingretechnique with Vim :) |
| 13:40.00 | Number5 | but there sure are some GUI tools to look inside a file in raw mode. |
| 13:40.02 | ethanol | though I think vim can be used as a binary/hex editor, in some way. |
| 13:40.03 | ethanol | yeah |
| 13:40.17 | ethanol | vim -b file |
| 13:40.31 | Number5 | at work I use hexeditor, but that's a windose thing... |
| 13:40.49 | ethanol | hrm that is not sufficient, the -b switch |
| 13:40.54 | Number5 | ethanol: I don't know if it shows the raw file data, or just the content of the file. |
| 13:41.49 | stew | ethanol: are you sure that you are seeing a block for an invalid char intead of a valid char that you don't have a glyph for? |
| 13:41.56 | ethanol | ah http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Improved_hex_editing |
| 13:42.20 | ethanol | stew: no it's an ö, it works fine in my own xml saved explicitly as utf8 |
| 13:42.50 | stew | ethanol: the XML should have a processing instruction as its first line stating what charset it is enoded in. does this one? |
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| 13:46.31 | balleyne | How would /proc/kern/sys/shmmax get reset? Or which log files might I look at for evidence of that? |
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| 13:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5, there's special editors like "hexedit" for that purpose... |
| 13:51.11 | balleyne | do changes to /proc/sys/kern/shmmax persist after a restart? |
| 13:51.26 | stew | balleyne: nothing in /proc persists after a reboot |
| 13:52.19 | ethanol | stew: what do you mean? |
| 13:52.39 | balleyne | stew: thanks |
| 13:52.47 | ethanol | stew: they both start with <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> yes. but one of them is clearly not utf8. |
| 13:52.53 | stew | that's what I meant |
| 13:53.00 | Number5 | ethanol: according to CutMeOwnThroat there is a tool called "hexedit |
| 13:53.02 | Number5 | " |
| 13:53.24 | ethanol | it's because the sender is retreiving their data from an iso encoded database and dumping it straight into a post using php to my receiving script |
| 13:53.34 | ethanol | I've now told them to use utf8_encode() on their values |
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| 13:58.40 | balleyne | stew: recommended way to make a permanent change to /proc/kern/sys/shmmax then? /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 13:59.42 | rue_house | maybe a kernel paramiter |
| 14:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to re-list users the way irssi lists them on join? |
| 14:00.18 | stew | balleyne: i don't belive sysctl controls stuff outside of /proc/sys, i'd guess you need to change a kernel module parameter or command line parameter |
| 14:00.30 | stew | jhutchins_lt: /names ? |
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| 14:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, that's it. |
| 14:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | Now I have to figure out the scrollbuffer in screen |
| 14:02.30 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why? do you not just want pgup (or meta-p) in irssi? |
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| 14:03.17 | balleyne | stew: ah, sorry, it's actually /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax -- looks like /etc/sysctl.conf will do the trick. thanks for your help. |
| 14:03.28 | Kobaz | i'm having problems installing ca-certificates-java. a dependency of openoffice... http://pastebin.ca/1981717 |
| 14:03.51 | babilen | balleyne: let me guess: postgres? |
| 14:05.23 | stew | Kobaz: checked the bts? |
| 14:07.31 | Kobaz | the what? |
| 14:07.41 | stew | !bts |
| 14:07.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:07.57 | Kobaz | oh... i did some quick googles, nothing matches any of the errors so far |
| 14:10.24 | Kobaz | mm, looks like it's a reported bug... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576453 |
| 14:10.30 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Those don't seem to work when the remote session is in screen via putty. |
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| 14:12.00 | babilen | Kobaz: openvz as well? |
| 14:12.15 | Kobaz | babilen: no, not using openvz |
| 14:13.07 | babilen | Kobaz: You might want to sent a follow-up to that bugreport (preferably with reportbug) and note that the error occurs regardless of openvz usage. |
| 14:13.23 | balleyne | babilen: no, php eaccelerator |
| 14:13.53 | babilen | balleyne: Ah -- Well, it was a stab in the dark. :) |
| 14:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Alt p/n appears to work. |
| 14:14.30 | qwd | abrotman: I *think* I've chrooted into my debian install by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto#Booting fails but i'm stuck at the mount proc and sys part and don't know what to do. I've created a thread on Linuxquestions about this as well if anyone wants to take a look http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/recovering-grub-after-windows-installation-encrypted-partitions-and-lvm-842311/ |
| 14:14.42 | Kobaz | babilen: yeah, just did |
| 14:15.13 | Kobaz | i guess i'll just use the non-debian openoffice package |
| 14:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | So Win7 starter and home won't connect to samba shares without hacking. |
| 14:15.34 | babilen | Kobaz: Thank you. I should note that I do not run into this problem when I try to install the package. |
| 14:16.56 | Kobaz | no idea... i wish there was some more debugging output |
| 14:17.47 | babilen | Kobaz: Read the bug report -- "Fail in the configuration of the packages, if /proc is not mounted ⦠Closes: #576453" Does that apply? |
| 14:17.58 | Kobaz | i'm not sure if it's this java certificate package or what, but openoffice is totally broken |
| 14:18.05 | Kobaz | i have /proc |
| 14:19.43 | babilen | Kobaz: So you are basically in the same situation as Dmitry, but don't use openvz. Thanks for reporting the bug! |
| 14:19.51 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 14:20.59 | babilen | Kobaz: Well, you *could* try to debug the installation routines and come up with more information (look at the source package and script in debian/ and/or /var/lib/dpkg/info) |
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| 14:21.28 | Kobaz | yeah, i know where all the files are |
| 14:22.04 | Kobaz | for right now i just forced it to be in the installed state |
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| 14:27.20 | khronos | Hi guys. |
| 14:27.33 | babilen | welcome |
| 14:27.47 | khronos | Anyone have any good suggestions for a good sas raid card to use in a dell 1950 server? |
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| 14:28.04 | khronos | I have a server with a ir6 controler and debian won't boot after the os install at all. |
| 14:28.14 | khronos | The system itself installs fine bu doesn't boot afterwards. |
| 14:28.37 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: hacking? what are you talking about? |
| 14:28.55 | babilen | khronos: Just to clarify: Do you want help with your installation or are you looking for hardware recommendations? |
| 14:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: Registry editing. |
| 14:29.15 | khronos | Well maybe a little of both depending on how easy it is to fix. |
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| 14:29.42 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: how so? |
| 14:30.19 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: They lack the policy tool to make the changes directly, you have to alter the registry entries. Don't have the details yet, I'm putting Debian on the system as soon as I get a backup with clonezilla. That'll solve the problem. |
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| 14:31.00 | babilen | khronos: Do you have a way to chroot into the system? Do you know the PCIID of that controller? And please provide more details on the "won't boot at all" part |
| 14:31.29 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: as far as i can remember it was something about the protocol used by default in win7, is this what is causing the issue? |
| 14:31.31 | ScottO_ | if sdb needs to be reserved for certain drives, how do i prevent another drive from taknig it during boot if the drive that it needs to be reserved for is not present? |
| 14:31.43 | babilen | khronos: You might want to try a newer kernel -- You can, for example, install 2.6.32 from backports or (if needed) from experimental or compile your own one |
| 14:31.51 | ScottO_ | is there anything in udev for eserving disk names? |
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| 14:35.45 | ScottO_ | D4rKr0W: when did clonezilla come about? |
| 14:36.18 | D4rKr0W | ScottO_: huh? |
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| 14:36.29 | ScottO_ | never heard of it, didnt know there was a linux solution |
| 14:37.05 | D4rKr0W | i didn't mention it, jhutchins did :D |
| 14:37.09 | Kobaz | clonezilla is cool but i've had problem copying windows partitions |
| 14:37.10 | ScottO_ | oh :) |
| 14:37.24 | ScottO_ | Kobaz: i use gparted for that |
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| 15:01.39 | jhutchins_lt | Before I do the backup I'm going to rip out some stuff like the trial version of office. |
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| 15:07.01 | danslo | Are there netinst images for sid? |
| 15:07.03 | danslo | !sid |
| 15:07.03 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:07.36 | danslo | !sid faq |
| 15:07.36 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html, or <sid upgrade test> |
| 15:08.05 | danslo | "The canonical answer is: You don't. You can only upgrade to it from stable or testing." ahw :( |
| 15:08.12 | Soothsayer | a dedicated server im getting has 2 x 750 GB hard drives with debian |
| 15:08.24 | Soothsayer | should I be use RAID-1 ? |
| 15:08.48 | Soothsayer | its a web server that will be hosting 3-5 web applications which will be used by a lot of people and will have important data. |
| 15:09.03 | danslo | I was hoping for an installer with a later kernel, lenny won't find my ssd |
| 15:09.12 | rhys | Soothsayer, ? absolutely? |
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| 15:09.24 | Soothsayer | rhys: meaning ? |
| 15:10.04 | danslo | Soothsayer: yes, raid-1 would be nice |
| 15:10.19 | rhys | I don't know. I see the word "server" and generally I run Raid1 or Raid10 on every single server I build unless its somehow mirrored at the system level |
| 15:12.23 | Soothsayer | danslo: how would this work? im quite new at linux/server administration.... the two hard drives will appear as one logical drive which will be mounted as a directory ? |
| 15:13.05 | rhys | Soothsayer, hardware raid will create a single device. software raid is done at the partition level |
| 15:13.06 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 15:13.06 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 15:13.56 | karlpinc | rhys: Well, there's really no difference between the partition layer and the hardware layer. You can raid two devices, what you get looks like 1 device. |
| 15:14.08 | Soothsayer | rhys: im only talking about software raid... |
| 15:14.34 | Soothsayer | hmm.. |
| 15:14.43 | Soothsayer | could you point me to something that will help me set this up? |
| 15:15.09 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: What you should do is have a backup plan. Raid only helps when it comes to improving uptime when you've a single drive failure. |
| 15:15.20 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: Have you looked at the install guide and the reference manual? |
| 15:15.52 | Soothsayer | karlpinc: ye, i'll be taking care off backups through offsite regular backups. |
| 15:15.57 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: If you can't afford downtime, raid pays. Again, it's no substitute for backup, which is what prevents data loss. |
| 15:16.00 | Soothsayer | karlpinc: right now, i want to focus on drive failure. |
| 15:16.05 | rhys | karlpinc, not...entirely? If I use software raid on the device, i get /dev/md0, and.. thats it. I can't separate that into swap/root/var, etc |
| 15:16.18 | karlpinc | rhys: Why not? |
| 15:16.23 | stew | rhys: you can partition /dev/md0 |
| 15:16.23 | Soothsayer | karlpinc: but at least if one hard drive fails, i have a backup of everything on hard drive 2 |
| 15:16.31 | Soothsayer | so tis at least a temporary substitute for backups or data loss. |
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| 15:17.19 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: You have a copy, and the box keeps running. It's not a backup. A mistake that erases data will erase from both drives. (raid1) |
| 15:18.08 | kwork | yes raid is never backup |
| 15:18.10 | stew | and if the controller fails and screws up both drives, you lose everything |
| 15:18.21 | stew | or if the machine catches on fire |
| 15:18.26 | kwork | most likely you need backup to get some specific file before the drive itself dies |
| 15:18.37 | Soothsayer | karlpinc: ye, I will take regular snapshots. but at least i will have the current version of the data. |
| 15:18.40 | kwork | and raid doesnot help against that in any sens |
| 15:18.49 | ScottO_ | so how do i prevent udev from using a disk name thats reserved? |
| 15:18.56 | Soothsayer | i've understood when to use it and why, im sold. |
| 15:19.02 | Soothsayer | now i need to get around to actually using it |
| 15:19.03 | rhys | stew, things i didn't know. |
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| 15:22.27 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: If you really want uptime, setup two boxes and use drdb to raid1 across the two machines. Then you can have any sort of hardware failure you like and keep running. |
| 15:22.50 | frikinz | hum no more write access on ntfs with fuse. strange.. |
| 15:23.56 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: (For some value of "any".) |
| 15:25.56 | karlpinc | rhys: In fact, it's generally preferred, with raid1, when you've two devices roughly the same size, to md raid the devices. It gives you more flexiblity. |
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| 15:27.47 | ScottO_ | so i take it there arent any savy udev users here |
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| 15:28.06 | rhys | karlpinc, i know, its what i have tried to do. I never thought I could. |
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| 15:34.54 | roe | is there a way I can install all of a packages dependencies, but not the package itself? |
| 15:37.15 | karlpinc | Soothsayer: Oops. It's drbd. |
| 15:37.24 | rhys | karlpinc, i spun up a VM with 2 virtual disks and the debian netinstaller |
| 15:37.41 | rhys | i don't seem to be able to partition the raid1 device |
| 15:38.09 | karlpinc | rhys: You probably need to activate it. I'm not really up on md so can't help offhand. |
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| 15:40.30 | wohnout | Hi I'm trying to backport mapnik-0.7.1 using pbuilder but I'm getting this error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/286081/ |
| 15:40.34 | wohnout | can someone please help |
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| 15:41.12 | Rienzilla | Hello there |
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| 15:46.10 | jham | hello, just a question: is the ressource unavailable temporary or likely permanently? http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/libvc/003.dfsg.1-12 |
| 15:47.33 | blackshirt1 | jham: maybe for temporary time |
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| 15:53.33 | bibekp | hi. how do i use dd to create an image of a particular directory in my filesystem (recursively)? any help will be appreciated |
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| 15:56.16 | jhutchins | bibekp: I don't think dd will work that way, it doesn't follow files or folders, it follows blocks of data on the device. |
| 15:57.01 | jhutchins | bibekp: You need something that operates on the filesystem level like rsync. |
| 15:58.08 | karlpinc | bibekp: Or cp, or scp. What are you really trying to do? |
| 15:58.17 | bibekp | jhutchins, yes, feared so. so, no way to do it right |
| 15:58.33 | bibekp | karlpinc, i am trying to create an image of a directory, so that i can use it as a filesystem in a xen virtual machine |
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| 16:00.07 | karlpinc | bibekp: Why do you need an "image" to do that? Just copy it into the virtual filesystem in the VM. |
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| 16:01.28 | bibekp | karlpinc, copy? the way i do it now in xen is to create a config file for a new VM. for example, i have a cloned image of / filesystem in abc.img which i have specified in the config file, to be mounted as /. now i want the contents of this directory to be mounted at /var (for example) |
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| 16:02.54 | karlpinc | bibekp: So you really want a way to mount a .img file? |
| 16:02.56 | pigdude | How do I modify $PATH for all users? |
| 16:03.02 | pigdude | it is /etc/paths on a Mac |
| 16:03.19 | bibekp | karlpinc, yes, because i think there's no better way to do this. i may be wrong |
| 16:04.06 | karlpinc | bibekp: Dunno. If there's no kernel module to mount it there may be one for fuse. |
| 16:04.48 | abrotman | pigdude: /etc/profile probably |
| 16:05.24 | bibekp | karlpinc, any possible hints on how to approach this problem? |
| 16:05.32 | karlpinc | pigdude: There's lots of ways. /etc/login.defs is traditional, but there's also /etc/profile and probably a way in pam. (I'm not clear on the interaction between login.defs and /etc/profile. |
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| 16:05.49 | jhutchins | bibekp: You can do that if /var is a partition. |
| 16:05.52 | pigdude | thanks karlpinc, that's it |
| 16:05.55 | karlpinc | pigdude: You may also consider modifying what's in /etc/skel/ |
| 16:06.19 | pigdude | karlpinc: sure, but if this can just apply everywhere I won't even need skel |
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| 16:06.45 | karlpinc | bibekp: I don't know what a .img really is. Try using 'file' on it and then googling. |
| 16:07.14 | pigdude | hm, it doesn't actually set the env vars |
| 16:07.23 | pigdude | I guess login.defs does not affect all logins |
| 16:07.33 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Logically it's the data structure that results from dd if=<partition> of=<file>.img |
| 16:07.59 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Then he should be able to "mount -o loop" it. |
| 16:08.06 | bibekp | karlpinc, img is nothing, sorry for confusion. just dd if=/home/user/a_dir/ of=/tmp/a_dir_image.img something like that, just a fancy extension. i wanted to ask how to achieve something like this |
| 16:08.57 | bibekp | jhutchins, you mean, creating image of a partition is possible? yes |
| 16:09.35 | bibekp | jhutchins, my question is not that |
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| 16:19.23 | Snooops | Hi mates |
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| 16:23.15 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 16:23.45 | Posterdati | please has anyone got problem with gmail and kmail? (duplicated emails) |
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| 16:24.45 | babilen | do you? |
| 16:25.29 | Posterdati | yes a lot :) |
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| 16:25.59 | smacnay | Posterdati, say that twice... |
| 16:26.18 | Posterdati | yes a lot :) yes a lot :) |
| 16:26.21 | babilen | Posterdati: Well, I don't use KMail, but GMail is working flawlessly with IMAP+getmail -- So it is obviously a KMail bug |
| 16:26.30 | babilen | Posterdati: Oh, the mails are merged into one? |
| 16:26.40 | Posterdati | babilen: no |
| 16:26.41 | smacnay | Posterdati, sorry but I can't help you as I don't use kmail. |
| 16:26.59 | qwd | abrotman: I *think* I've chrooted into my debian install by following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto#Booting fails but i'm stuck at the mount proc and sys part and don't know what to do. I've created a thread on Linuxquestions about this as well if anyone wants to take a look http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/recovering-grub-after-windows-installation-encrypted-partitions-and-lvm-842311/ |
| 16:27.15 | babilen | Posterdati: Do you use POP3 or IMAP? Does the same behaviour occur if you use the other? |
| 16:27.30 | qwd | abrotman: sorry for sending that to you, i used the history thingy |
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| 16:27.35 | Posterdati | babilen: pop3 |
| 16:27.49 | Posterdati | babilen: never used imap |
| 16:28.39 | babilen | Posterdati: I would try it -- Have you checked if that bug has already been reported? You might also want to try in a more KDE/KMail specific channel |
| 16:29.17 | Posterdati | they told to set kmail to ignore imap mails, but it won't work! :) |
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| 16:30.01 | babilen | qwd: Why are you stuck? It boils down to: "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" and "mount -t proc none /target/proc" before "chroot /target" |
| 16:30.27 | babilen | Posterdati: Have you setup both POP3 *and* IMAP? |
| 16:30.57 | Posterdati | babilen: no, only pop3 |
| 16:31.00 | babilen | I thought that you didn't -- but then "ignoring IMAP mails" is not a very bright suggestion |
| 16:31.43 | babilen | Posterdati: I would actually try using IMAP first, search for bug reports and ask in a KDE channel. I can't be of much help as I am not familiar with KMail. |
| 16:31.46 | qwd | babilen: /target doesn't seem to exist |
| 16:32.00 | Posterdati | babilen: ok, thanks |
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| 16:32.23 | babilen | qwd: yeah -- /target is the mountpoint of you root filesystem |
| 16:32.49 | babilen | qwd: You are trying to chroot into an installed system, right? |
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| 16:33.36 | qwd | babilen: honestly i don't know what i want besides getting grub to start debian. i think i need to chroot into an installed filesystem though :) |
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| 16:34.53 | babilen | qwd: Hehe, ok. I take it that you can boot some kind of live system? |
| 16:35.17 | qwd | babilen: i'm on ubuntu 10.04 live cd right now |
| 16:35.32 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 16:35.32 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:35.50 | babilen | qwd: You basically want to follow ^^^^ |
| 16:36.32 | babilen | qwd: It does not mention some steps (like creating /target -- but I would mount to /mnt/debian anyway) |
| 16:37.12 | babilen | qwd: And just to clarify: You installed Debian and it is not booting and you are trying to reinstall grub? |
| 16:37.30 | qwd | i did sudo mount /dev/mapper/debian-root /mnt/root which i *think* mounted the root partition |
| 16:37.32 | babilen | qwd: Do you need further information? |
| 16:37.47 | babilen | qwd: Yes, exactly |
| 16:37.49 | qwd | babilen: debian worked fine, reinstalled windows, grub gone, trying to get it back like it was |
| 16:38.38 | babilen | qwd: Ok, do: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev" and "mount -t proc none /mnt/root/proc" |
| 16:40.01 | babilen | qwd: You can then chroot into the Debian system (chroot /mnt/root) and run "update-grub" and "grub-install /dev/whatever" (you have to replace "whatever" in that command with, for example, "sda" |
| 16:41.15 | babilen | qwd: If you don't know how to replace "whatever" run "fdisk -l" which will list all partitions and harddrives -- You should then choose the first one (probably sda) |
| 16:41.52 | qwd | babilen: when i did sudo chroot /mnt/root i got "cannot run command '/bin/bash': formatfel på körbar fil" something wrong with the format of the executable file |
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| 16:43.47 | qwd | www.pastebin.com/Ercg9y8r output of mount |
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| 16:44.57 | babilen | qwd: use a livecd that uses the same architecture (i.e. amd64 / i386 / ppc / â¦) as the system you are trying to chroot to. |
| 16:46.00 | qwd | doh, didn't even think that would be a problem. i only have a debian squeeze netinstall which is amd64, bt it needs to be livecd right? |
| 16:46.27 | babilen | qwd: You should be able to perform it using the netinst as well |
| 16:46.41 | babilen | !rescue mode |
| 16:46.41 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
| 16:47.16 | babilen | qwd: commands like "mount" and "chroot" are available :) |
| 16:47.44 | najwa_ | babilen: i thinks, qwd was using encrypted partition for root partition |
| 16:47.53 | qwd | that is correct |
| 16:48.04 | babilen | and ext4 |
| 16:48.18 | jhutchins | When running a graphical application on a remote system, does the application use the remote system's fonts or the local fonts at the display? |
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| 16:48.38 | qwd | full disk encryption and lvm. only /boot is unencrypted and ext2 |
| 16:48.40 | babilen | qwd: The file system is mounted fine isn't it? |
| 16:48.59 | babilen | (it looks like it from the mount output)_ |
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| 16:49.27 | Phantom_Hoover | Does netinst allow installation through a WPA connection? |
| 16:49.38 | qwd | babilen: i restarted now but i'm not sure. when i checked earlier i could see folders in /mnt/root but when i checked /home nothing turned up when doing ls |
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| 16:50.04 | babilen | Phantom_Hoover: I think i've heard that the new beta1 d-i for squeeze allows that -- note the *beta* in there |
| 16:50.30 | babilen | qwd: Do you have a seperate home partition? |
| 16:50.46 | Phantom_Hoover | But otherwise I have to stick an ethernet cable into my computer or find a WEP network? |
| 16:51.08 | stew | jhutchins: the fonts from the x server |
| 16:51.12 | babilen | Phantom_Hoover: That are viable options, yes |
| 16:51.41 | jhutchins | stew: which is the x server in this case, the remote or the display? |
| 16:51.58 | qwd | babilen: i think /home is a separate in lvm but not as its own partition. |
| 16:52.15 | stew | jhutchins: the x server is the thing that has a keyboard mouse monitor connected to it, where the x client appear |
| 16:52.35 | jhutchins | Ppppbbb.... |
| 16:52.40 | babilen | Phantom_Hoover: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/11/msg00032.html |
| 16:52.55 | qwd | i'm at rescue mode on the debian squeeze netinstall amd64 cd now |
| 16:53.01 | jhutchins | So I actually have to go to the end system to check to see if it has the requested font now. Oh well. |
| 16:53.21 | babilen | qwd: Well, same effect. I just haven't lvmified my terminology |
| 16:53.46 | qwd | babilen: ah i get it, so it's completely normal for me to not see home then |
| 16:54.20 | qwd | typing in my password for encrypted volumes on rescue mode now |
| 16:54.51 | babilen | qwd: You would have to mount (presumably) /dev/mapper/debian-home into the chroot for that to work as well. But that step is not needed for grub reinstallation. |
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| 16:55.52 | eshat | Hi all, since ffmpeg from repo cannot decode H264, which tool should I use to recode a 50 fps H264 Video to an 25fps version ? |
| 16:56.18 | babilen | eshat: Doesn't the one from dmm support that? |
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| 16:56.38 | qwd | device to use as root file system. to me the most likely seem to be /dev/sda1 (/boot), /dev/sda2 (/), /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt or /dev/debian/root it's the last one right? |
| 16:56.42 | eshat | babilen: sorry but I stopped using dmm |
| 16:56.54 | eshat | it caused to many problems with other packages |
| 16:57.15 | babilen | eshat: Ok, I can't blame you for that. You might want to compile the package yourself then. |
| 16:57.34 | babilen | qwd: Right for *what* ? |
| 16:58.05 | abrotman | !tell eshat about dmm |
| 16:58.25 | stew | seems he already knows about it |
| 16:58.44 | qwd | babilen: i'm not sure i understand the question. the resque mode asks me which device to use as root filesystem, those were the ones i believe might be what i should choose in order to be able to fix grub |
| 16:58.48 | icebrain | eshat: if you don't want to include the dmm in apt sources, why don't you manually install the package? (I don't know if it has other DDM deps) http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpegcvs/ffmpeg_20080706-0.3lenny2_i386.deb |
| 16:59.26 | newsense | hey is it pretty safe to resize a partition and ext3fs ? |
| 16:59.49 | eshat | icebrain: the thing is, that I experience other problems with vlc , mplayer and ffmpeg from dmm |
| 17:00.13 | eshat | like mobile phone videos do not show video but sound only |
| 17:00.15 | qwd | newsense: i wouldn't bet on it. make sure to backup your files in case something goes wrong |
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| 17:00.25 | icebrain | eshat: oh, ok. Then I can't help you, they work fine here. |
| 17:00.34 | eshat | icebrain: thanks anyway |
| 17:00.34 | icebrain | even 3gp files from my Nokia |
| 17:00.40 | stew | newsense: yes, and growing a mounted ext3 filesystem works safely as well, have backups anyway |
| 17:00.50 | newsense | ok cool |
| 17:00.54 | newsense | any trick to it ? |
| 17:01.17 | eshat | icebrain: hmmm my 3gp videos didn't play, but anyway I would appreciate not using an unofficial repository |
| 17:01.25 | babilen | qwd: One second -- (phone call) |
| 17:01.36 | newsense | i just need to shrink my /home partition down |
| 17:02.38 | gandhijee | hey guys, whats the latest kernel debian is using? still 2.6.26? |
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| 17:03.50 | blacks | no..gandhijee, i think it was using 2.6.32 kernel on squeeze release |
| 17:04.16 | qwd | babilen: no hurry, i've been doing this for hours anyway, a few minutes here and there don't matter much :) |
| 17:04.20 | gandhijee | 5.05 is etch, right? |
| 17:04.50 | _snowball | 5 is Lenny, I believe. |
| 17:04.56 | gandhijee | also how can i get the 2.6.32 squeeze kernel for this 5 version |
| 17:05.05 | blacks | gandhijee: 5 series is debian lenny release |
| 17:05.11 | gandhijee | i am a bit new to debian |
| 17:05.15 | gandhijee | o |
| 17:05.18 | abrotman | !tell gandhijee about bpo |
| 17:05.52 | blacks | gandhijee: you can using squeeze repository and then install kernel package from that repo |
| 17:05.59 | gandhijee | cool |
| 17:07.05 | abrotman | blacks: NO |
| 17:07.07 | newsense | anyone know of a good document i can read on safely shrinking a partition and ext3fs ? |
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| 17:07.19 | abrotman | gandhijee: do not mix versions of Debian ... your system will break and you will cry |
| 17:07.26 | gandhijee | ? |
| 17:07.26 | blacks | abrotman: why.. i'am using it |
| 17:07.35 | gandhijee | i don't plan on mixing version |
| 17:07.39 | abrotman | blacks: do NOT tell people to mix versions of Debian .. break your system, not other people's .. that's a horrible idea |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | pick one release and use it .. do not mix |
| 17:07.48 | gandhijee | i just plan on using the squeeze kernel on lenny |
| 17:07.56 | abrotman | no |
| 17:07.58 | abrotman | don't do it |
| 17:08.00 | blacks | abrotman: i'm using it on my home.. but use it on your risk.. |
| 17:08.07 | gandhijee | how it this any different from downloading the kerenl.org kernel and using it on lenny |
| 17:08.08 | gandhijee | ? |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | blacks: uhm .. I'm just fine .. stop screwing up his computer |
| 17:08.31 | abrotman | judd: depends linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 --release squeeze |
| 17:08.33 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 2.6.32-27), initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | linux-initramfs-tool. |
| 17:08.46 | abrotman | so you have to update those .. and who konws what else that pulls in |
| 17:08.55 | abrotman | use backports.org .. it's a much safer way to use a newer kernel on lenny |
| 17:08.59 | gandhijee | abrotman: you are kind of flying with your pants down, even the /usr/share/docs/kernel-package docs says you can get kernel.org kernels |
| 17:09.16 | abrotman | gandhijee: yes .. i know that .. that is not a binary package |
| 17:09.23 | gandhijee | and use them |
| 17:09.38 | gandhijee | umm, i was going to pull down the squeeze kernel sources |
| 17:09.42 | abrotman | the binary package has dependencies that are not satisfied in lenny .. so you install the kernel, then linux-base, then libc6 .. then your system is stuck in a horrible limbo |
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| 17:09.50 | gandhijee | not the squeeze binary kernel itself |
| 17:09.51 | abrotman | gandhijee: the backports.org kernel is the squeeze kernel compiled for lenny |
| 17:10.05 | gandhijee | abrotman: i don't want a pre-compiled kernel |
| 17:10.24 | abrotman | then why use the squeeze sources either? |
| 17:10.32 | blacks | gandhijee: download it from kernel.org and compile self |
| 17:10.33 | gandhijee | whatever doesn't matter, thanks for the info blacks |
| 17:13.07 | blacks | it's no matter.. |
| 17:13.33 | babilen | qwd: yeah, i would think it is the last one. I should note that I haven't used the rescue environment, as I prefer a proper livecd (grml) for task like these |
| 17:14.18 | blacks | qwd: still same ? |
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| 17:15.13 | blacks | gandhijee: if you want higher version kernel, you can use testing/unstable repository... |
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| 17:15.28 | abrotman | stop telling him that |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | you're going to break his system |
| 17:15.39 | gandhijee | i'm grabbing the squeeze sources |
| 17:15.44 | blacks | gandhijee: you can mix too..but use it at your own risk |
| 17:15.56 | gandhijee | abrotman: you assume alot about what i know and do not know about this abrotman |
| 17:16.06 | smacnay | Where would I start to fix a clock issue. My system time (even with ntpd running) creeps ahead by minutes every hour. I renamed the driftfile and made sure that ntpd was hitting active servers but still see this discrepency in time. Any suggestions? |
| 17:16.25 | gandhijee | abrotman: i would prefer you keep your comments to yourself at this point |
| 17:16.30 | abrotman | gandhijee: i am watching blacks give you *horrible* advice .. which many times results in a broken system and then people blame Debian .. I"m trying to prevent this |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | gandhijee: try /ignore |
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| 17:17.30 | gandhijee | abrotman: i know about ignore and i am asking about replacing my kernel, if i am trying to get the sources you should assume that i know even about the system to take it of whats going on |
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| 17:17.37 | smacnay | gandhijee, in my experience on this channel, I would listen to abrotman first |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | gandhijee: i'm telling you not to install binary packages from another branch of Debian .. mixing Lenny with testing or unstable will generally lead to crying |
| 17:18.12 | blacks | abrotman: it was knowledge that maybe good for share...i say, use it at your own risk.. |
| 17:18.34 | gandhijee | abrotman: an i am telling you i am not installing any squeeze binary packages. |
| 17:18.43 | gandhijee | i am installing the squeeze kernel sources and that is all |
| 17:18.45 | abrotman | gandhijee: that's what you are saying .. that is not what blacks is saying |
| 17:18.46 | blacks | if you depth understand on apt system, i am sure, you will could solve that |
| 17:19.00 | abrotman | blacks: please stop |
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| 17:19.12 | gandhijee | abrotman: your not reading close enough |
| 17:19.15 | abrotman | you're |
| 17:19.28 | gandhijee | there are 0 binaries from squeeze being installed on my system |
| 17:19.31 | abrotman | and yes .. i am .. he's telling you to mix binary systems .. you're saying you're getting the source |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | i'm fine with what you are doing .. i'm trying to get him to stop giving bad advice and make sure you're not heeding his 'advice' |
| 17:20.25 | gandhijee | i'm just using the squeeze repo to grab the kern sources |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | though if you use backports.org, you can get the same kernel source and access to other backported packages |
| 17:20.30 | gandhijee | thats it |
| 17:20.38 | lio_013 | debian squeeze with fluxbox i need to enable teh touchpad on my laptop ,no xorg.conf file exixst |
| 17:20.47 | abrotman | lio_013: try gsynaptics |
| 17:20.48 | gandhijee | i don't want anything else from squeeze |
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| 17:21.01 | abrotman | which is why i said to use backports.org .. |
| 17:21.01 | blacks | abrotman; i'm not advice him to mix from different system like i'm doing..ok.. |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | blacks: thanks .. i thik |
| 17:21.19 | abrotman | think |
| 17:22.59 | blacks | abrotman: have you try apt pinning ? |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | blacks: stop it already |
| 17:23.13 | abrotman | blacks: i've been using Debian far far longer than you |
| 17:23.22 | blacks | yes, i think so.. |
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| 17:24.13 | fbs | what is the best way to install debian encrypted? |
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| 17:26.04 | abrotman | fbs: i believe this is covered in the installation manual |
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| 17:29.37 | qwd | babilen: sorry for the delay. i was able to run update-grub2 from netinstall but when i rebooted there still weren't any entries. i did this right away after going into the rescue mode shell, so nothing else was done before |
| 17:29.45 | qwd | blacks: so far no improvement :) |
| 17:30.40 | fbs | abrotman: must have missed it then |
| 17:30.43 | qwd | fbs: i'm not sure about the graphical install but with netinstall you can encrypt eveyrthing during installation, it's a choice during partitioning. very easy. |
| 17:31.22 | fbs | i was looking for some common pitfalls |
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| 17:32.17 | qwd | fbh: it's pretty straight forwards so if you're just doing a normal installatin everything should be alright. |
| 17:32.18 | danslo | I'm trying to install debian lenny. Installer reports CDROM drive cannot be found (it booted from that in the first place). lspci reports the correct IDE interfaces (asrock x58 -> Intel 82801JI), however neither my DVD drive nor my SSD (intel x25) are found in /dev.. what's going on?! :( |
| 17:32.40 | fbs | qwd: ok thnks |
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| 17:34.59 | danslo | in case anyone responded: I'm on very unstable wlan so please repeat :) |
| 17:35.23 | qwd | ok, i'm in rescue mode with /dev/debian/root as root file system. rescue operations are the following: execute a shell in /dev/debian/root OR installer environment, reinstall grub boot loader. i choose reinstall grub to MBR on hd0 a.k.a. /dev/sda. "Unable to install grub in hd0. Executing 'grub-install hd0' failed. This is a fatal error" Failed with exit code 1 |
| 17:35.36 | fbs | qwd: how about encrypting /boot? |
| 17:36.06 | qwd | fbs: don't think it can be done |
| 17:36.37 | fbs | ah, that was one of the thinks i was looking for |
| 17:36.45 | fbs | found the installation manual. |
| 17:36.47 | fbs | but thanks anyway |
| 17:37.12 | danslo | anyone? :( |
| 17:38.41 | _snowball | danslo, nope. |
| 17:38.45 | _snowball | I can't even see what you're saying. |
| 17:38.53 | jhutchins | I can understand encrypting your data, but why boot? Why the system? |
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| 17:39.36 | jhutchins | danslo: It's possible that your pci chipset is not suppported in the .26 kernel. |
| 17:39.47 | Rienzilla | hmm I'm trying to make a debian package |
| 17:39.57 | gandhijee | on last question, once i create my kernel.deb image file, and i install it with dpkg, how to i make it so that when the new kernel is installed, it doesnt remove the old working kernel? |
| 17:40.04 | jhutchins | danslo: You could try a kmuto kernel or the squeeze installer just to see if .32 supports it, but I don't recommend running squeeze. |
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| 17:41.18 | jhutchins | gandhijee: If you name the package correctly, the kernel version including your unique identifier will be part of the package name. That means linux-image-2.6.24 and linux-image-2.6.32 are different packages, not just different versions. |
| 17:41.29 | gandhijee | cool |
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| 17:41.44 | blacks | gandhijee: what's cool ?? |
| 17:41.50 | grondilu | Hi, Slackware, ArchLinux and Fedora are switching to XZ instead of GZ for packaging. Any project to do so in Debian ?? |
| 17:42.14 | jhutchins | Debian does some skullduggery that allows them to update the current kernel without changing it's version which I find a bit frustrating, but it seems to work ok. |
| 17:42.17 | Rienzilla | Hey all. I'm trying to make and install a debian package. Installing it fails with an error, but I don't understand what went wrong. Dpkg -D2 is in http://pastebin.com/LxNmTAq9 |
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| 17:42.33 | Rienzilla | any ideas what script or thing is failing? |
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| 17:42.46 | jhutchins | grondilu: Quick! Follow the herd! |
| 17:43.00 | grondilu | jhutchins: ? |
| 17:43.03 | danslo | Alright, switched to some more stable internet... will repeat my question in hopes of someone answering it: |
| 17:43.05 | danslo | I'm trying to install debian lenny. Installer reports CDROM drive cannot be found (it booted from that in the first place). lspci reports the correct IDE interfaces (asrock x58 -> Intel 82801JI), however neither my DVD drive nor my SSD (intel x25) are found in /dev.. what's going on?! :( |
| 17:43.33 | jhutchins | grondilu: You don't want to be left behind, do you? |
| 17:43.42 | et | follow the nerd? |
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| 17:44.10 | grondilu | that's not the reason. For some time I've been thinking about using XZ, because it saves about 30% of space. That's a lot ! |
| 17:44.42 | grondilu | It's too bad Debian is not one of the first to switch to xz, imo. |
| 17:45.42 | danslo | can anyone even point me in some direction? |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | !tell danslo about kmuto |
| 17:46.58 | danslo | abrotman: oh damn :) |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | grondilu: i think someone looked at lzma awhile ago .. i think part of the problem is that when you support 586s, they don't have nearly the same CPU power as a modern machine |
| 17:48.30 | grondilu | I think lzma needs a strong CPU only for compression. |
| 17:48.50 | grondilu | so it's not an issue for debian packages |
| 17:49.50 | jhutchins | You're always trading speed for compression. Unless someone comes up with a totally new approach, the relative capabilities of the different methods aren't going to change, and gzip is a pretty good trade-off. There are EXTENSIVE benchmarks available tht show this. |
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| 17:51.06 | qwd | Trying to recover grub on Debian Squeeze AMD64 using full disk encryption, LVM and ext4. I'm on debian squeeze amd64 netinstall rescue mode shell wunning on /dev/debian/root. grub-install hd0 tells me "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. Auto detectino of a filesystem module failed. Please specify the module with the option '--modules' explicitly." What do I do now? I don't know anything about any modules. |
| 17:51.25 | abrotman | http://changelog.complete.org/archives/910-how-to-think-about-compression ... though i can't find the one about the debian archives |
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| 17:55.19 | jhutchins | How do I get the changed username to show up in konsole when I use su? |
| 17:55.31 | jhutchins | show up in the konsole titlebar? |
| 17:55.49 | stew | grondilu: we are going to be rolling out xz support for debian packages for squeeze+1 |
| 17:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, for my xterms I have PROMPT_COMMAND='if [[ $TERM == "xterm" ]] ; then echo -ne "\033]0;$USER@$HOSTNAME\007"; fi' |
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| 17:59.33 | rgr | just turne don my laptop and the network applet/status icon is missing. Cant find anything in the menus either. Whats its name (to select the ireless network) from the commandline? |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | wonders why xz caught on but not xar .. |
| 18:00.07 | stew | i guess i can say wheezy instead of squeeze+1 |
| 18:00.43 | stew | i dont' know anything about xar |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | !xar |
| 18:00.47 | dpkg | xar (eXtensible ARchive format) is an open source file archiver and the archiverâs file format. The archiver was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #574023. http://code.google.com/p/xar/ |
| 18:00.49 | babilen | yay -- "wwwr" factoid :) |
| 18:01.02 | stew | !wwwr |
| 18:01.02 | dpkg | Hang on! Squeeze isn't even released yet. Go and fix some RC bugs instead of nagging me. Ask me about <wwsr> <rc-alert>. |
| 18:01.03 | abrotman | well .. i guess it's been removed! :) |
| 18:01.23 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Where is that set? |
| 18:01.24 | babilen | stew: hehe :) |
| 18:02.14 | stew | ar t dpkg_18.0_i386.deb -> debian-binary control.rar data.rar |
| 18:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, bashrc |
| 18:02.21 | jhutchins | tx |
| 18:02.38 | Rienzilla | aaarhj |
| 18:02.41 | Rienzilla | aargh |
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| 18:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, tivsm-ba.postinst |
| 18:06.50 | macrobat | is there a way to download a list of user agent strings to use with iceweasels user agent switcher? |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | macrobat: http://www.user-agents.org/ .. google ? |
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| 18:09.20 | jhutchins | Ok, installer USB prepared, here goes the netbook! |
| 18:09.50 | macrobat | how do i get user agent switcher to use them? just add them by pasting them one by one? |
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| 18:10.44 | karlpinc | macrobat: I thought it came with some already.... ? |
| 18:11.17 | macrobat | i get ie 6 7 8 and iphone |
| 18:11.45 | macrobat | and 3 search robots |
| 18:11.49 | karlpinc | macrobat: I thought I had one for safari. Could be I got it from somewhere. |
| 18:12.32 | karlpinc | macrobat: If so, it was obvious enough how to add it that I don't recall anything at all about how to do it. |
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| 18:12.53 | karlpinc | has got to learn the proper use of a comma. |
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| 18:13.05 | nick3 | I need to use the package 'lsb-build-cc3' from Ubuntu's Universe repository to build my code. Whats the easiest way to get it? |
| 18:13.28 | jhutchins | First glitch! Network card not found! |
| 18:13.28 | nick3 | whoops, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 18:14.44 | jhutchins | what's the pci lookup command for the bot? |
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| 18:15.14 | macrobat | ,pciid 1234:3214 |
| 18:15.17 | judd | [1234:3214] is 'Unknown device' from 'Technical Corp.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1234:3214 |
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| 18:16.21 | stew | ,pciname G200eW |
| 18:16.23 | judd | 'G200eW' matched: [102b:0532] 'MGA G200eW WPCM450' from 'Matrox Graphics, Inc.' |
| 18:16.41 | Raptelan | Hi folks, after dist-upgrade to squeeze, my computers now show (none) as the result for `domainname`, and likewise this is what's shown in /proc/sys/kernel/domainname. I have the fully-qualified hostname in /etc/hosts on a 172.16.0.x line before the unqualified hostname, so what else do I need now? |
| 18:16.47 | Raptelan | domainname was working before with lenny |
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| 18:18.41 | Raptelan | also a server without multiple network connections on a 10.x network does the same thing now. |
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| 18:20.09 | bruteforce_allti | How to extract tar.bz2 file? |
| 18:20.16 | bruteforce_allti | using terminal |
| 18:20.19 | Raptelan | bruteforce_allti: tar jxvf <file> |
| 18:20.24 | karlpinc | Raptelan: I seem to recall that domainname was a NIS thing and not used otherwise. (Not a DNS domain name.) |
| 18:20.54 | jhutchins | ,pciid 1969:1062 |
| 18:20.56 | judd | [1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1c' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
| 18:21.04 | Raptelan | karlpinc: it is, so how do I set it? Like I said it was working before. Usually you just have to make sure it is in /etc/hosts before any aliases. |
| 18:21.14 | Raptelan | e.g. <ip_addr> blahblah.domain.com blahblah |
| 18:21.20 | jhutchins | It's supposed to be backported to the 5.0.6 kernel but it's not in the installer. |
| 18:21.38 | Raptelan | dnsdomainname works - that's not the concern. |
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| 18:22.02 | Raptelan | also hostname --fqdn |
| 18:22.12 | Raptelan | but those *are* DNS-based. |
| 18:22.22 | bruteforce_allti | tar jxvf is working on single file. But for multiple file, I was trying to use *.tar.bz2. But it was failing every time |
| 18:22.36 | bruteforce_allti | Any reason for this behavious? |
| 18:22.42 | Raptelan | bruteforce_allti: that's because it doesn't accept multiple arguments. |
| 18:22.49 | karlpinc | Raptelan: You're really using NIS? Perhaps you want (lenny) /etc/mailname. (I don't know about squeeze.) |
| 18:23.02 | Raptelan | bruteforce_allti: why are you trying to batch-untar a bunch of files? |
| 18:23.14 | Raptelan | bruteforce_allti: for i in *.tar.bz2; do tar jxvf $i; done |
| 18:23.29 | karlpinc | bruteforce_allti: If you must you could use xargs in combination with tar. |
| 18:23.36 | Raptelan | karlpinc: no, but I have scripts that rely on `domainname` returning a proper result. |
| 18:24.01 | Raptelan | karlpinc: dnsdomainname doesn't exist on all platforms, and oftentimes is less accurate than domainname if the machine is multi-homed. |
| 18:24.20 | karlpinc | man getent |
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| 18:24.33 | Raptelan | karlpinc: my /etc/mailname also has a fully-qualified name. |
| 18:24.47 | jhutchins | So there's no kmuto netinst or business card? |
| 18:24.56 | karlpinc | Oops, I was thinking that maybe getent was the cross patform way to go. |
| 18:25.14 | bruteforce_allti | Raptelan: getting bash: syntax error near unexpected token `tar' |
| 18:25.20 | qwd | Still trying to recover grub on Debian Squeeze AMD64 using full disk encryption, LVM and ext4. I'm on debian squeeze amd64 netinstall rescue mode shell wunning on /dev/debian/root. grub-install hd0 tells me "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. Auto detectino of a filesystem module failed. Please specify the module with the option '--modules' explicitly." What do I do now? I don't know anything about any modules. The output of mount can be seen in the last p |
| 18:25.36 | Raptelan | bruteforce_allti: then you didn't type what I did. :P |
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| 18:26.33 | bruteforce_allti | Raptelan: yeah.. Forgot do, done syntax. Man, the more I am learning bash, the more I an loving Linux :D |
| 18:26.46 | bruteforce_allti | s/an/am |
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| 18:29.55 | karlpinc | Raptelan: If you really are ensuring that you're putting a fqdn first in /etc/hsots you're probably better off using "getent hosts $(hostname) | awk '{print $2;}' | cut -d . -f 2-" than the nis domain name. YMMV. I've otherwise forgotten everything I knew about nis so can't help. Sorry. |
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| 18:39.22 | jhutchins | where do I find the md5sum for the squeeze netinst? |
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| 18:40.48 | Number6 | How can I find out what kernels are available to choose from at system book? |
| 18:40.50 | Number6 | *Boot |
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| 18:41.10 | Bercik | Number6, ls /boot |
| 18:41.45 | Number6 | Bercik: Thanks. |
| 18:42.24 | jhutchins | It would be nice if there were some way to display the grub menu without actually booting, so you could check what the new grub2 system generates and see which choice is where. |
| 18:42.24 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:42.40 | Bercik | jhutchins, cat /boot/grub/menu.lst :P ? |
| 18:43.17 | karlpinc | jhutchins: You could run it in qemu or some such. ;-) |
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| 18:46.25 | ludens | im having problems setting up my synaptics touchpad in squeeze |
| 18:46.57 | jhutchins | Anybody know where I can find the md5sums for the squeeze netinst and boot.gz? |
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| 18:48.16 | ludens | i don't have a xorg.conf file, and i don't have the directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 18:49.54 | jhutchins | Ok, I found the boot.img.gz sum, where's the netinst? |
| 18:50.38 | stew | ludens: is the touchpad working at all? |
| 18:50.40 | Raptelan | jhutchins: you could make a "grub simulator" that processed menu.lst and emulated it's interface :P |
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| 18:51.01 | Raptelan | seems a bit overkill though |
| 18:51.14 | ludens | stew: yes its working fine |
| 18:51.18 | Jef91 | how do I grab this git tree using the git command from cli? http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/lxdm.git;a=tree |
| 18:51.21 | jhutchins | Raptelan: That's what I'm thinking of exactly. Something that parses it and displays it as grub wouldn. |
| 18:51.37 | ludens | stew: i just want to adjust settings |
| 18:51.48 | Raptelan | jhutchins: it wouldn't be a good test though, because it can't actually control the video card resolution directly as grub normally does, nor can it boot anything. |
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| 18:51.59 | ludens | stew: e g set circular scrolling and other synaptics-specific stuff |
| 18:52.01 | jhutchins | !tell Jef91 about git |
| 18:52.07 | karlpinc | jhutchins: There ya go. qemu. The universal emulator. :) |
| 18:52.14 | Raptelan | qemu sucks :( |
| 18:52.18 | Raptelan | virtualbox++ |
| 18:52.47 | jhutchins | Let's assume we have a $200 netbook rather than a $5,000 gamer deluxe. |
| 18:52.58 | stew | Jef91: git clone git://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/lxdm.git |
| 18:52.59 | Jef91 | jhutchins how do I have the git addy from that url though? |
| 18:53.25 | Raptelan | jhutchins: you don't need a $5000 machine to run a virtualized grub. I'm pretty sure any modern netbook would have sufficient resources for that :P |
| 18:53.31 | Bushmills | vserver works nicely on low end machines, but it's more a kind of chroot on steroids |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins | Jef91: Not a clue. I've use svn and cvs but not git, and I'd have to look at a cheat sheet for either of those. |
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| 18:54.02 | stew | Jef91: its always git://git.debian.org/git/$project/$repo |
| 18:54.15 | fbs | is it possible to change the encryption password after installing an encrypted debian? |
| 18:54.22 | stew | ludens: you should probably be using synclient/syndaemon from the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package |
| 18:54.26 | Raptelan | fbs: sure. |
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| 18:54.55 | katsrc | hello all |
| 18:54.58 | Jef91 | any idea how I get that form this url? http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/lxdm.git;a=tree |
| 18:55.01 | Vesperto | I have :0 with slim for local logins and :1 with xdm for remote, which i once tested with Xming. How can i connect (to either, i don't think i need two) on my lan from another pc? |
| 18:55.07 | katsrc | how may i update iceweasel? |
| 18:55.20 | Jef91 | oh I got it! nvm |
| 18:55.27 | Vesperto | katsrc: aptitude install iceweasel ? |
| 18:55.38 | stew | Jef91: also: http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Git |
| 18:55.43 | katsrc | Vesperto: it's at 3.5 |
| 18:55.55 | katsrc | is there another repository that has the latest version maybe? |
| 18:56.02 | fbs | Raptelan: how? |
| 18:56.12 | stew | , versions iceweasel |
| 18:56.14 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.15-1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; experimental: 3.6.12-2 |
| 18:56.45 | stew | katsrc: 3.5.15-1 is what you have now? |
| 18:56.49 | Vesperto | katsrc: Iceweasel on Sid is at 3.5.15-1, anything beyond that i assume you'd need a .deb from Mozila. |
| 18:56.55 | katsrc | stew: yes |
| 18:57.01 | Vesperto | Ah, experimental maybe. |
| 18:57.59 | katsrc | so i would have to add the experimental repo to install the latest iceweasel? |
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| 18:58.12 | Raptelan | apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel gets you 3.6 |
| 18:58.15 | stew | katsrc: you shouldn't do that |
| 18:58.29 | katsrc | stew: just to grab the latest iceweasel? |
| 18:58.33 | ludens | stew: i have no problem configuring with synclient but i should have some file to make settings permanent |
| 18:58.35 | stew | right |
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| 18:58.59 | stew | ludens: yes, depending on how you start x or login to x, that might be .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 18:59.01 | Raptelan | and then add APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; (or lenny, or whatevers) to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02default |
| 18:59.07 | Jef91 | trying to build this package from source and it says it cannot find gtk+-2.0 however that package is installed on my system |
| 18:59.15 | Jef91 | any idea what I do to fix this? |
| 18:59.23 | ludens | stew: ok yea i guess i could make a startup script using synclient |
| 18:59.26 | stew | Raptelan: what if he is running lenny? |
| 18:59.29 | Vesperto | Jef91: is that the full error? |
| 18:59.30 | Raptelan | then you can have both usual and experimental sources in sources.list, install from the regular one by default, but be able to use -t experimental to pull from experimental. |
| 18:59.31 | ludens | didnt think of that :) |
| 18:59.37 | Raptelan | stew: it works on lenny too. |
| 18:59.39 | stew | Raptelan: no |
| 18:59.54 | stew | Raptelan: you really should not tell someone running lenny to just install binary packages from experimental |
| 18:59.59 | Raptelan | stew: yeah, I was running a newer firefox on lenny until I upgraded to squeeze a couple weeks ago. |
| 19:00.24 | Raptelan | *shrugs* it worked for me at thet time, I don't know what's a good idea or not :P |
| 19:00.35 | stew | judd: depends iceweasel --release experimental |
| 19:00.37 | judd | Package iceweasel -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), fontconfig, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16), xulrunner-1.9.2 (>= 1.9.2.11). |
| 19:01.04 | Jef91 | vesperto requiremetns gtk+-2.0 >= 2.12.0 were not met no package gtk+-2.0 found |
| 19:01.05 | Raptelan | is there one in backports? |
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| 19:01.38 | Raptelan | you can always just download the official firefox tar file but I found it doesn't work with debian's cups configuration for some reason :( |
| 19:01.46 | romel | hi guys. I am going to install the milter-greylist on debian 5.0.6 using apt-get.. it says that current postfix installation will be removed so sendmail will be installed. But it isn't what I realy want (I am using postfix actually). What I am supposed to do in this situation? |
| 19:01.50 | Raptelan | couldn't print from firefox 4 beto |
| 19:01.51 | Raptelan | *beta |
| 19:02.08 | Vesperto | Jef91: are you sure you have above 2.12.0? Did you install it through the package manager or downloaded/source? |
| 19:02.23 | stew | Jef91: what pacakge are you building? if its a debian source pacakge, you should be able to "apt-get build-dep pacakgename" |
| 19:02.26 | Jef91 | through package manager vesperto apt-get install gtk+-2.0 |
| 19:02.47 | Jef91 | stew if it was a debian package I wouldn't bother building it from source |
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| 19:02.52 | Jef91 | build lxdm from this git - http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/lxdm.git;a=tree |
| 19:03.02 | jhutchins | romel: I recommend using postgrey. |
| 19:03.27 | jhutchins | romel: The milter is a way to do it with sendmail, that's why it's removing postfix. |
| 19:03.40 | karlpinc | romel: (FWIW I prefer sqlgrey) |
| 19:03.41 | Vesperto | Jef91: what's the full version? Is it above 2.12.0? It doesn't seem so. Try dpkg -l |grep gtk to check; or aptitude show gtk+-2.0 |
| 19:03.45 | jhutchins | romel: postgrey works great. |
| 19:03.51 | stew | Jef91: it is a debian package |
| 19:04.02 | romel | jhutchins: but I saw something about postfix in milter's documentation. |
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| 19:04.22 | jhutchins | romel: I think it's possible, but you'd have to hack it in manually. |
| 19:04.24 | romel | postfix have the milter interface too |
| 19:04.36 | onexused | I'm assuming questions about Ubuntu would be either ignored or flamed here. Am I correct? |
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| 19:04.48 | stew | Jef91: debian/control lists the Build-Depends: that you need to install to build it |
| 19:04.49 | Jef91 | stew it isn't in the squeeze repos |
| 19:04.49 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Did you look at sqlgrey? I recall checking out both and had a definite reason to use sqlgrey over postgrey, but don't recall what it was. |
| 19:05.04 | jhutchins | ok, booting the squeeze installer... |
| 19:05.05 | stew | Jef91: no, its not in any repos yet, but the git repo is a debian source pacakge |
| 19:05.11 | jhutchins | ok, booting the squeeze installer... |
| 19:05.23 | romel | thanks for advice guys |
| 19:05.30 | Vesperto | What do i need to configure to connect to a remote pc running X? The remote already accepts, but what do i need on the local part? Fiddle with xnint? xorg.con? The DM? |
| 19:05.36 | stew | Jef91: how are you building this? with dpkg-buildpackage/debbuild? something similar? |
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| 19:05.50 | jhutchins | For some strange reason the sandisk usb stick appears as both a CD and a HDD, my other USB appears on it's own. |
| 19:05.57 | Jef91 | just ./configure stew |
| 19:05.58 | ddilinger | !pci |
| 19:05.58 | dpkg | [pci] (Peripheral Connect Interface) This interface was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the spec allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. See <pciids>, <pci-e>, <pci-x>. |
| 19:06.05 | Jef91 | was going to do ./configure make make install |
| 19:06.07 | karlpinc | romel: Ah. I bet it was because sqlgrey uses postgresql, which IMO is a lot more reliable than mysql. |
| 19:06.16 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Wasn't available - or at least I wasn't aware of it - when the server was buitl |
| 19:06.20 | stew | Jef91: its a debian pacakge, you should build the .deb out of it |
| 19:06.24 | ddilinger | hmm, any specific info on bringing a debian server up to PCI compliance? |
| 19:06.25 | jhutchins | Kernel Panic! |
| 19:06.38 | Jef91 | Is that simple to do? |
| 19:06.42 | jhutchins | Hm, looks like it tried to netboot... |
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| 19:07.01 | stew | Jef91: run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" |
| 19:07.15 | Jef91 | that I can do |
| 19:07.18 | jhutchins | Yeah, that's what it was. |
| 19:07.22 | stew | Jef91: after you install the Build-Depends listed in debian/control |
| 19:07.25 | romel | karlpinc: agree |
| 19:07.32 | Jef91 | will do, installing now |
| 19:07.42 | jhutchins | Awww, got the installer page but no keyboard :( |
| 19:08.05 | fbs | Raptelan: how? |
| 19:08.54 | karlpinc | ddilinger: Sounds like a racket. Do you self-certify? |
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| 19:09.55 | ddilinger | karlpinc: the bank requests that we submit the site to another site that does a "pci compliance scan", i can work through them item by item to clean up(ssl version vulnerabilities, apache version, other stuff) but thought there might be a specific place to start since PCI compliance is semi-common |
| 19:10.55 | jhutchins | I get the installer screen but no keyboard response. Trying unetbootin. |
| 19:10.59 | stew | unfortunately the companies that do pci compliance don't understand anything but version numbers |
| 19:11.16 | Vesperto | Is xnest a good way to connect to a remote X server? Any other easier suggestions? |
| 19:11.17 | ddilinger | stew: that was my first thought, that debian backported the security updates and it just doesn't like the version number |
| 19:11.18 | karlpinc | ddilinger: Right. You can try asking again later. (Golly, it'd be nice if you did a wiki page. ;-) |
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| 19:11.21 | stew | so you can't convince them that although the debian version of openssl is not the latest, its still might be patched tofix all the known vulnerablilites |
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| 19:11.59 | fbs | How to change your encryption pass with dmcrypt? |
| 19:12.16 | karlpinc | stew: They won't do CVEs? |
| 19:12.18 | stew | no |
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| 19:12.27 | karlpinc | stew: Bastards. |
| 19:12.32 | stew | karlpinc: they will give them to you as a reason your version number isn't acceptable to them |
| 19:12.47 | jhutchins | W00t! Network configuration successful! |
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| 19:12.55 | stew | but they won't listen to you point to debian's page telling them that your version is no longer vulnerable to the same CVE |
| 19:13.16 | onexused | So, on a completely related note, how should I edit apt's config file to exclude "Immediate-Configure" as I was directed on my broken system? The /etc/apt/apt.conf is currently non-existant. |
| 19:13.26 | jsubl2 | what is a good app to rip dvd movies |
| 19:13.26 | jhutchins | I'll bet this has to quit at partitioning though. |
| 19:13.29 | stew | ddilinger: my recommendataion is that anytime they tell you that a version number is unacceptable, you make that version number no longer discoverable by them |
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| 19:13.45 | jhutchins | jsubl2: I've used dd successfully. |
| 19:13.59 | karlpinc | stew: Perhaps there is a legal way to lie to them about version numbers. |
| 19:14.27 | ddilinger | hmm, is a quick edit of the headers before compile legal, run version 943.33 of apache :) |
| 19:14.42 | ddilinger | prob not :P |
| 19:14.48 | stew | karlpinc: in the past i have recompiled redhat's openssl just to change the version string so they'd shut up |
| 19:15.04 | stew | ddilinger: for apache: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#servertokens |
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| 19:15.23 | karlpinc | ddilinger: You never know. That's what lawyers are for. It might be a new version number, just _your_ version number. |
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| 19:15.30 | v1k1ng0 | hi |
| 19:15.36 | v1k1ng0 | I use debian unstable |
| 19:15.51 | v1k1ng0 | I'm having problems with kmess, it crashes when it loads |
| 19:16.00 | stew | v1k1ng0: have you checked the bts? |
| 19:16.04 | fbs | How to change your encryption pass with dmcrypt? |
| 19:16.13 | v1k1ng0 | stew: url? |
| 19:16.21 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org |
| 19:16.46 | stew | or /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 19:16.53 | karlpinc | ddilinger: That'd be another option. Go ask the RedHat people how they do it. |
| 19:16.57 | meder | aptitude suddenly wants to remove 70 packages including critical things like gedit, alacart, gimp, etc. how can i undo all these suggestions? its preventing me from installing python-lxml |
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| 19:17.51 | karlpinc | ddilinger: As a corporation they must have an interest. |
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| 19:19.07 | onexused | How should I edit apt's config file to exclude "Immediate-Configure" as I was directed by apt-get on my broken system? |
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| 19:19.31 | ddilinger | karlpinc: an interest in selling me support licenses for redhat :) |
| 19:19.37 | Jef91 | is squeeze the same as unstable? |
| 19:19.46 | stew | Jef91: no, squeeze is currently testing |
| 19:19.51 | stew | Jef91: sid is the same as unstable |
| 19:19.57 | Jef91 | ahh kk |
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| 19:21.17 | onexused | Soo.... no one knows, huh/ |
| 19:21.33 | stew | onexused: show us the actual command and the actual output |
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| 19:21.42 | stew | onexused: iirc it points you to the manpaage you need to read |
| 19:22.27 | Jef91 | anyone know if there are nautilus elementary packages for squeeze? |
| 19:22.28 | Vesperto | XDMCP is not a hot topic around here. |
| 19:22.28 | stew | onexused: what pacakge are you having trouble with? |
| 19:22.41 | ddilinger | omg, this is rediculous. In the middle of the PCI scan it has "Discovered Web Files: It was possible to guess the name of one or more files stored on this web server, Evidence: http://www.example.com/robots.txt |
| 19:22.46 | ddilinger | that is rediculous :( |
| 19:23.11 | stew | yeah, its ridiculous |
| 19:23.35 | onexused | stew: Pastebinning the command and output. I did read that section of the man page, but it seems only to tell me what that option does, not how to set it. Any package I try to install. |
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| 19:25.31 | stew | v1k1ng0: if you think you are finding a bug was closed that still exists, reopen the bug |
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| 19:25.59 | stew | v1k1ng0: when you do, you should certainly provide more info, not just a simple reopen |
| 19:26.03 | zok | What is the apt-get package that has /usr/games/banner in it? |
| 19:26.10 | zok | I can't seem to find it with apt-cache search... |
| 19:26.48 | stew | zok: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:27.10 | onexused | stew: http://dpaste.org/CWUa/ |
| 19:27.50 | v1k1ng0 | stew: ok, thx |
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| 19:28.09 | stew | onexused: you should probably just not use packages from experimental, as they are expected to be broken |
| 19:28.44 | stew | onexused: oh, actually this isn't debian at all |
| 19:28.53 | onexused | stew, Okay, but how do I get out of it now? Any action I try to do - install, upgrade, uninstall gives that. |
| 19:28.53 | stew | onexused: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:29.27 | onexused | stew, I did mention that earlier, and thought you had read it. Very well. |
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| 19:32.10 | Phantom_Hoover | When I was on Ubuntu, tapping the top-right corner of the touchpad middle-clicked; it doesn't on Debian. Mouse preferences yield nothing. |
| 19:32.19 | Phantom_Hoover | How can I fix this? |
| 19:34.49 | zok | stew: I found it, it's called bsdmainutils. I tried installing that but it said it was at the latest version |
| 19:34.56 | zok | But when I ls /usr/games it does not list it... |
| 19:35.03 | zok | What gives? :( |
| 19:36.15 | zok | "whereis banner" says that it doesn't exist also |
| 19:36.49 | stew | zok: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:37.23 | dissidentss | question, why is /etc/cron.d not working for me? |
| 19:37.35 | metalfoo | Did you install cron? |
| 19:37.36 | dissidentss | I put a file in there with similar permissions of the other files with the same format |
| 19:37.37 | stew | dissidentss: because your filename has a dot in it |
| 19:37.41 | dissidentss | nope |
| 19:37.45 | dissidentss | it's just called "bw" |
| 19:37.50 | stew | is it chmod +x ? |
| 19:37.56 | stew | actually i dont' know if that's necessary |
| 19:37.58 | dissidentss | it's not an executed script |
| 19:38.02 | stew | right |
| 19:38.18 | zok | stew: squeeze/sid |
| 19:39.10 | stew | bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/printerbanner |
| 19:39.20 | stew | zok: what made you think it waas bsdmainutils? |
| 19:39.37 | stew | judd: file bin/banner --release squeeze |
| 19:39.41 | judd | bin/banner in squeeze/i386: sysvbanner: usr/bin/banner; afterstep: usr/bin/Banner |
| 19:39.54 | stew | dunno if that is perhaps what you are looking for |
| 19:40.08 | zok | stew: apt-file search banner | grep games.*banner |
| 19:40.09 | zok | bsdmainutils: /usr/games/banner |
| 19:40.36 | stew | judd: file games/banner --release squeeze |
| 19:40.40 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:41.07 | zok | Hmm |
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| 19:42.11 | stew | and I dont' see it here: |
| 19:42.13 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/bsdmainutils/filelist |
| 19:42.27 | nielsle | Did you remember "apt-file update" ? |
| 19:42.29 | stew | but it is here: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/bsdmainutils/filelist |
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| 19:44.31 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.44 | stew | bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/printerbanner |
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| 19:45.18 | stew | zok: so /usr/bin/printerbanner is what you are looking for |
| 19:45.25 | nielsle | Perhaps you could try installing sysvbanner instead http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315664 |
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| 19:46.21 | zok | Thanks stew |
| 19:46.23 | nielsle | Hmm... OK.. printerbanner is nicer |
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| 19:46.27 | zok | How can I find what package that is in? |
| 19:47.03 | stew | zok: i already showed you the output of apt-file search (twice) its in the bsdmainutils package |
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| 19:47.15 | DanV | Hi. I'm having some problems with a SMP system, a dual core AMD opteron . I have two identical servers ( debian 5, kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64, same hardware), one sees one core in cpuinfo, one shows both. I put the dmesg for both at: http://paste.debian.net/99030 - only one cpu; http://paste.debian.net/99031 - good server, shows both cpus in /proc/cpuinfo . Anyone got any suggestions to debug this problem ? |
| 19:47.35 | Phantom_Hoover | So is there no obvious solution to my mouse-related plight? |
| 19:48.15 | ScottG | I use automount which can mount a device. I can also mount the device. But if i mount it automount can unmount it and if it mounts the device i can't unmount it. |
| 19:48.31 | zok | stew: sorry, I'm just having a stupid day :) |
| 19:48.34 | zok | I got it working |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: gsynaptics has a lot of configurables .. but i've never looked for the option youmentioned |
| 19:48.36 | zok | Thanks! |
| 19:48.41 | stew | zok: :) |
| 19:48.52 | zok | stew++ |
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| 19:49.04 | ScottG | So how do I allow more than one user to mount and unmount something. I'm not actually sure what user the device is mounted as when automount mounts it |
| 19:49.25 | simonrvn | probably root |
| 19:49.42 | ScottG | Yea that would be my guess to |
| 19:49.44 | ScottG | o |
| 19:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what you want and how... there's pmount/pumount |
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| 19:49.58 | xand | DanV: maybe it's a bios issue? |
| 19:50.01 | simonrvn | has automount running |
| 19:50.38 | simonrvn | you can change that, fyi |
| 19:50.57 | DanV | xand what kind of issue ? I've had no changes done recently, they both worked at install. I thought about that... |
| 19:51.03 | ScottG | simonrvn: I can unmount something mounted by automount using sudo but I would like to be able to unmount, that particular device at least, without root |
| 19:51.19 | xand | DanV: I don't know but it seems to think 1 cpu is hotpluggable |
| 19:51.26 | simonrvn | plenty of docs to do that |
| 19:51.29 | DanV | xand it SEES it as hotpluggable |
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| 19:51.56 | ScottG | simonrvn: I tried "user" but that only seems to let the particular user that mounted the device unmount it |
| 19:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gnome mount thingy you can configure "user settings"->"user privileges" |
| 19:52.04 | DanV | but it's not in the cpu list :( only cpu0 in /sys/devices/system/cpu :| |
| 19:52.08 | jhutchins | DanV: Hardware failure? |
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| 19:52.56 | ScottG | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't use gnome. DO you happen to know what file it edits? |
| 19:52.58 | DanV | jhutchins: it's possible that only one core to show up ? I want to rule out software failure before I go get the server from the datacenter. It's my personal server but it's 300 miles away... |
| 19:53.46 | xand | ScottG: users instead of user |
| 19:54.04 | xand | if this is an fstab thing anyway |
| 19:54.25 | simonrvn | ScottG: exerpt from 'mount': /var/autofs/simonwww/3 type nfs (rw,user=simon, |
| 19:54.40 | niteye | what is the global known_hosts for for SSH? |
| 19:54.59 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, just tried that; it doesn't have any option for it. |
| 19:55.19 | Phantom_Hoover | (The bottom-right corner right-clicked, but that's gone too.) |
| 19:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ScottG, there's actually groups for many of those things... no idea what files it edits and if that is some gnome-specific configuration, I'm also not using gnome for a long time... just thought I'd look what the default desktop install looks like |
| 19:55.41 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: which version of Debian ? |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | see .. this is why i'm glad i disabled my touchpad and use only the trackpoint :) |
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| 19:58.08 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, squeeze somethingorother. |
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| 19:58.21 | abrotman | squeeze is good enough .. make sure your system is up to date .. |
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| 19:59.15 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, it appears to be. |
| 19:59.16 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: Do a little googling on your touchpad make & model with "debian" and I'll bet you find something. Or look at what driver(s) and settings ubuntu used. |
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| 20:04.27 | niteye | what is the global known_hosts file for for SSH in debian? |
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| 20:07.36 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: man 4 synaptics .. see if there is an options |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | option |
| 20:08.09 | DanV | jhutchins: have you ever encountered a cpu or mobo failing in such a way ? |
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| 20:09.18 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, thanks. |
| 20:14.03 | Phantom_Hoover | Hmm, I don't actually have /etc/X11/xorg.d. |
| 20:14.03 | Phantom_Hoover | Is creating one all right? |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | yes .. you can manually create one .. |
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| 20:24.27 | jhutchins | DanV: I know it's theoretically possible in the design of multicore chips, but no. |
| 20:25.03 | jhutchins | DanV: Obvious way to eliminate software is to boot to a different OS. |
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| 20:25.30 | DanV | It's a nasty sun 1u. no cdrom, no usb boot. and in a hateful datacenter. |
| 20:26.07 | DanV | Thank you very much for the feedback though. I called the datacenter admins to try a bios reset to default settings... if that doesn't work, i'll drive there and get the server. *yawn* 10:25 pm . 5 hours drive. bastard sun server. |
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| 20:27.15 | jhutchins | DanV: Doesn't sun supply some utilities to check hardware? |
| 20:27.27 | DanV | Not remotely :) |
| 20:27.34 | DanV | Or not for this server, atleast. |
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| 20:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seem to have downloaded files with weird codes for umlauts, is there anything to cure those automatically in debian? |
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| 20:36.31 | jhutchins | For future reference, the netinst installer (for squeeze at least) does include a partitioning tool capable of shrinking a w7 partition. |
| 20:37.27 | jhutchins | What it's definitely lacking is the ability to choose WHICH graphical desktop it installs. I fear it will install gnome. |
| 20:38.32 | jhutchins | unetbootin worked fine with "testing" in linux, maybe the problems we've seen here are from people running it on windows. |
| 20:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the desktop-task installs gnome |
| 20:38.53 | jhutchins | Yeah, libbonobo - it's installing gnome. Oh well, more work for me. |
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| 20:39.29 | amaninacan | hello. any experts on rsyslog around? |
| 20:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, wrong address, jhutchins |
| 20:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installation repor |
| 20:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 20:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installation report |
| 20:39.44 | dpkg | hmm... installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 20:40.01 | jhutchins | This installer didn't have a start menu where you could choose advanced - I don't think there was any option except maybe omit desktop. |
| 20:40.51 | scoobertron | jhutchins: last time I looked at the netinstall cd, there were options to install an xfce or lxde desktop, but they were hidden under a menu option. This was a while ago though, so it may have changed. It certainly wasn't obvious though. |
| 20:41.42 | qwd | I just go with minimal and install whatever i want later |
| 20:42.40 | qwd | I'm trying to recover GRUB on Debian Squeeze AMD64 with full disk encryption, LVM and ext4. I'm currently in debian squeeze amd64 netinstall rescue shell running on /dev/debian/root and I don't know what to do. Here's a thread I've created with a bit more info that might be of interest http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4149323&posted=1#post4149323 |
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| 20:48.00 | katsrc | is there a way to get these patches into debian? http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com/2010/07/ubuntu-font-rendering-in-debian-squeeze.html |
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| 20:48.12 | Tekla | hi |
| 20:48.24 | Tekla | how do i get rid of libglib2.0-cli ? |
| 20:48.48 | Tekla | it says File does not exist: /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.8.glib-sharp.installcligac |
| 20:49.40 | stew | katsrc: see if a bug is filed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=cairo if not, consider filing one with Severity: wishlist |
| 20:50.21 | katsrc | stew: great, thank you! |
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| 20:51.17 | Tekla | help :( |
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| 20:54.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead of this, you could have refined your question, so that it becomes answerable |
| 20:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ask |
| 20:54.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:57.14 | Tekla | i have squeeze, i want to get rid of libglib2.0-cil output: file does not exist: /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.8.glib-sharp.installcligac |
| 20:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | When I do ___? |
| 20:57.44 | Tekla | aptitude purge libglib2.0-cil |
| 20:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
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| 20:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | all the time wondered what "it" is |
| 21:00.06 | Tekla | aptitude = it |
| 21:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | got that |
| 21:00.13 | amaninacan | I'm having problems with rsyslog. I'm on lenny. I've added a filter that should separate local syslog logs and remote syslog logs, but it does not seem to work. I get "msg invalid or yet-unknown config file command" when I run it from my console in debug mode. Any help? |
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| 21:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, are there other errors? From that one, it seems a file/several files from the package are already gone, and so the uninstall fails... |
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| 21:01.18 | TAsn | hey guys, is there a way to force dpkg to ignore arch when installing a package? |
| 21:01.34 | Tekla | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll put it on paste.debian.net, sec |
| 21:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've never actually seen that happen, did you try aptitude reinstall libglib2.0-cil and then try to remove it again? |
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| 21:02.53 | Tekla | paste.debian.net/99057/ |
| 21:03.45 | TAsn | nvm, found. |
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| 21:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, WHY do you want to remove this? A lot of packages depend on it on my system... |
| 21:04.21 | Tekla | CutMeOwnThroat: the whole problem started with libglib2.0-0 not being nice ... i deleted everything with libglib* and then i just removed all -dev -doc -dbg from the list of packages and tried to install them .. that's when cil started to be annoying |
| 21:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | not being nice means? |
| 21:04.54 | jhutchins | Well, that's not good. No errors on the installer, but microsoft logo on reboot and no gruib menu, it's doing a disk check. |
| 21:04.58 | Tekla | not letting itself install |
| 21:05.08 | jhutchins | Now I have to download/create a live/rescue usb. |
| 21:05.15 | ksx4system | why Debian (5.0.6) stopped to see my 3G PCMCIA card? anything changed, I only edited APN in wvdial and swapped sim card (of course this step was done on computer turned off) |
| 21:05.33 | ksx4system | it just does not appear under lsusb as it used to. |
| 21:06.05 | ksx4system | kernel is the same, wvdial version is the same and even 3G card is the same (but with other sim card) |
| 21:06.35 | fignew | why would a PCMCIA card show up under lsusb? |
| 21:07.18 | Tekla | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude install died then purge too and i'm stuck now |
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| 21:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tekla about postrm |
| 21:08.30 | qwd | I'm trying to recover GRUB on Debian Squeeze AMD64 with full disk encryption, LVM and ext4. I'm currently in debian squeeze amd64 netinstall rescue shell running on /dev/debian/root and I don't know what to do. Here's a thread I've created with a bit more info that might be of interest http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4149323&posted=1#post4149323 |
| 21:08.35 | qwd | I've downloaded Rescatux and when I run the grub-install script it asks me "which partition is your main gnu/linux?", there's only one option and it doesn't say anything, it's just a radio button. then it asks which hard disk to install linux on. Anyone ever used this? I only want to recover boot in the MBR not reinstall linux, and definitely not mess my existing installation up. |
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| 21:09.34 | ksx4system | fignew: because some 3G cards (including Novatel Merlin and Huawei ones) are made strange way, they are seen by OS as USB controller with 3G device attached |
| 21:09.45 | fignew | what does lspci say? |
| 21:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tekla, that's why uninstalling fails. Best is to find out why this script fails and fix that properly, so it can do its job... if you can't, you can just add "exit 0" at the top of that file (or empty it, as the factoid says) and the package will uninstall, but whatever tasks the script was supposed to do will of course not be done, so files that would have been removed there will remain etc. etc. |
| 21:10.52 | ksx4system | fignew: I can't paste it anywhere (the only connectivity of this laptop was 3G card) |
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| 21:11.21 | fignew | ksx4system: does it show up? |
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| 21:11.57 | ksx4system | fignew: shows two USB controllers, Intel's is probably the real one (as it's Intel based machine), NEC's is probably the one from 3G card. both lsusb and lspci doesn't show Novatel device :( |
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| 21:12.31 | fignew | reinsert the card |
| 21:12.37 | fignew | and see what dmesg says |
| 21:12.58 | ksx4system | without taking laptop off? just reinsert it? ok. |
| 21:13.10 | fignew | yea |
| 21:13.18 | fignew | pcmcia & usb are hotpluggable |
| 21:13.31 | Tekla | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 21:14.26 | ksx4system | fignew: didn't knew about pcmcia :) however, after re-inserting the card does not even put on its diode :( |
| 21:14.45 | fignew | what does dmesg say? |
| 21:15.00 | Tekla | if you got some more time :) midnight commander is broken too .. i just installed it yet i can't start it: mc: symbol lookup error: mc: undefined symbol: g_malloc0_n <-- when i type "mc" |
| 21:15.04 | jhutchins | ksx4system: Does it show up under lspci? |
| 21:15.51 | ksx4system | ok, third time reinserted it and... it lights! PCI, ohci_hcd and ACPI errors under dmesg |
| 21:16.19 | ksx4system | and no, it still doesn't show under both lsusb and lspci |
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| 21:18.59 | raboof | the 'side-scrolling' of the touchpad in the dell latitude e6510 doesn't work. |
| 21:19.10 | raboof | there's a bug report (and even a patch) for this in the linux kernel bugzilla |
| 21:19.22 | raboof | does it make sense to report it to the bts, also, anyway? |
| 21:22.16 | cusco | how do I find the longest line in a text feed? |
| 21:22.23 | jhutchins | noboot from live rescue usb |
| 21:22.49 | karlpinc | cusco: Awk script? |
| 21:22.52 | cusco | raboof: squeeze? |
| 21:23.28 | cusco | raboof: read http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 21:24.02 | raboof | cusco: doesn't work for this model |
| 21:24.11 | cusco | is it synpatics? |
| 21:24.17 | cusco | alps? |
| 21:24.21 | raboof | ALPS, yeah |
| 21:24.33 | raboof | cusco: details at https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14660 |
| 21:24.41 | cusco | dunno |
| 21:26.22 | jhutchins | raboof: Yeah, I would, with a link to the bugreport, and to the patch, and confirmation that when you applied the patch it fixed it. |
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| 21:30.35 | jhutchins | Stubborn thing. Re-wrote the USB stick, still won't boot, image has a good md5. |
| 21:31.05 | aguitel | how increase perfomance in card Intel Corporation 82865G ? |
| 21:31.58 | SwedeMike | aguitel: increase performance how? |
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| 21:32.49 | aguitel | SwedeMike, i have not 3D |
| 21:33.07 | SwedeMike | 3D? |
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| 21:33.48 | jhutchins | For some reason when I use the "save as" option on iceweasel it creates the file and the .part file but doesn't download until the second try. |
| 21:34.14 | jhutchins | aguitel: Is that an 855 or a 915? |
| 21:34.46 | aguitel | jhutchins, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 21:35.58 | jhutchins | aguitel: http://www.forgenet.tamilbot.com/?p=55703 |
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| 21:37.06 | Phantom_Hoover | I have an old .evolution directory from Ubuntu 10.10; I want to migrate it into Debian's setup. Moving .evolution across didn't work. |
| 21:37.11 | Phantom_Hoover | Any suggestions? |
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| 21:37.26 | acxty | Hi guys, I have multiple ip on a single nic, but I have the problem that sometimes when I do a traceroute from outside, for example www.ping.eu, I get a timeout and it doesn't finish doing the trace. If I only use one ip on the nic, the trace goes fine. Does having multiple ip on a single nic affect this way? |
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| 21:38.57 | jhutchins | Clonezilla works, but two deb live images fail. |
| 21:39.25 | mdmarmer | i'm having trouble with upgrade of pkg grub-pc in a squeeze install |
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| 21:40.26 | karlpinc | acxty: You might see that if you're not proxy-arp-ing the IPs. (I forget if that happens by default, sorry.) |
| 21:40.57 | mdmarmer | i pasted in #flood |
| 21:41.17 | karlpinc | acxty: On the other hand, it could be the switch on the other end gets confused when there's more than one IP per mac address. |
| 21:41.29 | mdmarmer | bbl --- dinner |
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| 21:48.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Phantom_Hoover: we'd need details like what 'didnt work' means, and what you were hoping would migrate |
| 21:49.29 | Phantom_Hoover | Well, I'd like to keep my stored emails. |
| 21:49.47 | Phantom_Hoover | And by "didn't work" I mean "continued as if I'd done nothing". |
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| 21:56.43 | foetus | is looking at the new price list of the provider and is thinking about a change |
| 21:57.59 | foetus | :) |
| 21:58.16 | eshat | How do I get divx movies get played back in Chromium ? |
| 21:59.41 | metalfoo | While I'm not sure, I'd say you don't. Chromium has been removed from all non-free parts, in contrast to Chrome. |
| 22:00.13 | JoshH | it uses plugins |
| 22:00.34 | foetus | nice question on a debian channel... better ask google.. |
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| 22:00.52 | aguitel | jhutchins, how to add myselfs to video group with command line ? |
| 22:00.55 | eshat | foetus: meaning me ? |
| 22:01.32 | eshat | JoshH: I know that, but the vlc plugin does not work nor does mplayer |
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| 22:01.42 | foetus | eshat: probably. |
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| 22:01.52 | iman | what's the best port scanner? |
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| 22:02.04 | foetus | nmap |
| 22:02.09 | iman | i want to search open port of a ip |
| 22:02.10 | metalfoo | Is there another one? |
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| 22:03.08 | foetus | scanner? for monitoring iptraf or iptop is not bad.. |
| 22:03.32 | metalfoo | No, indeed to scan. |
| 22:03.48 | mta`chrono | hi there. is there a libstdc++-dev x86 package for Debian x86_64 ? I want to build x86 target on x86_64 system. |
| 22:03.51 | iman | foetus, i have a URL, i want to search open port of taht url |
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| 22:04.03 | metalfoo | A URL has by definition no port. |
| 22:04.10 | metalfoo | If anything the resulting host has |
| 22:04.27 | foetus | yes. |
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| 22:07.44 | ksx4system | jhitchins, fignew: i tried to make a photo of errors (i have no possibility to copy dmesg or anything other) http://img.mac.info.pl/images/zdjcie0107.jpg |
| 22:07.53 | ksx4system | jhutchins * |
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| 22:08.04 | foetus | recommends menthol for sniffing :) |
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| 22:13.30 | ksx4system | the funny thing... Debian on my laptop not only stopped recognizing my 3G PCMCIA card but it ignores 3G USB card... ignores EVERY usb device. WTF? |
| 22:14.08 | raboof | jhutchins: thanks. against what package should such a bug (the kernel ps mouse driver issue) be reported? |
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| 22:23.04 | Phantom_Hoover | mkdir is failing on me, giving the error "mkdir: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 22:23.40 | Phantom_Hoover | Since mkdir is something which really shouldn't fail, I am now slightly worried. |
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| 22:24.32 | qwd | SOLVED! I restored Grub and now everything works as it should. Thanks to everyone who tried to help me! If you're interested I wrote what the solution was at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/recovering-grub-after-windows-installation-encrypted-partitions-and-lvm-842311/#post4149550 |
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| 22:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: you've removed libselinux.so.1, which is kind of wrong |
| 22:26.12 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: reinstall it. |
| 22:27.01 | smacnay | How do I reset my drift for the system clock. |
| 22:27.11 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: adjtimex |
| 22:27.24 | Phantom_Hoover | dondelelcaro, aptitude reinstalled libselinux1; no change. |
| 22:27.45 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: what does ls /lib/libselinux.so*; output? |
| 22:28.09 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, ok, I tried that once and it made things worse - should ntpd be running when I use that? |
| 22:28.11 | somiaj | smacnay: /msg dpkg ntp -- you can use that to sync your clocks with online clocks -- it will stop the drift. |
| 22:28.19 | Phantom_Hoover | /lib/libselinux.so.1. |
| 22:28.37 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: no, you need to stop ntp |
| 22:28.42 | smacnay | somiaj, I have ntp running but am seeing my clock gain 2 minutes an hour |
| 22:28.42 | somiaj | smacnay: hmm, just noticed dondelelcaro suggestion, I should look up adjtimex as well. |
| 22:28.51 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 22:28.56 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: then use adjtimex to set the drift to reasonable values, then start ntp, which will fine tune everything |
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| 22:29.47 | dondelelcaro | you basically need the clock to be within reasonable parameters so that ntp doesn't panic and assume that something has gone horribly wrong with the clock |
| 22:30.01 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 22:30.04 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: what is the complete output from mkdir, then? |
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| 22:30.18 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: and the output from ldd /bin/mkdir? |
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| 22:30.55 | luke-jr_ | Why is TigerVNC not in Squeeze? |
| 22:31.07 | Phantom_Hoover | dondelelcaro, mkdir fails with "mkdir: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 22:31.37 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: and what's the output of ldd /bin/mkdir? |
| 22:31.38 | smacnay | should ntp be checking the time server pool on regular intervals? |
| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: yes |
| 22:31.46 | Soothsayer | if I want to monitor my dedicated server through a web interface, is MONIT my best option? or could someone recommend something better? |
| 22:31.48 | Phantom_Hoover | ldd /bin/mkdir gives ome other libraries and "libselinux.so.1 => /lib/libselinux.so.1 (0x00007f7cf2361000)" |
| 22:31.58 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: and does /bin/mkdir work? |
| 22:32.07 | Phantom_Hoover | Yes. |
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| 22:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: what's the output from which mkdir? |
| 22:32.29 | Jax | where can i find php-fpm ? its not in the normal repo |
| 22:32.30 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, ok, if it is checking, it seems not to be correcting the time. I wonder if something got changed in a package update... |
| 22:32.42 | Phantom_Hoover | dondelelcaro, huh, I had a file by that name in ~/bin. |
| 22:32.46 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: there you go |
| 22:32.57 | Phantom_Hoover | Thanks. |
| 22:32.59 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 22:33.12 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: if it's not correcting the time, check what's going on with ntpq, and make sure that you have -g set in the ntpd options |
| 22:33.37 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, I think I saw that option but will recheck - thanks again. |
| 22:33.54 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: you may also need to stop ntpd and run ntpd -gq; or similar |
| 22:34.02 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 22:34.08 | themill | luke-jr_: probably because we dont really need yet another embedded copy of xorg within yet another vnc server. There is talk about including it, but it would be better to have it incorporated by Xorg itself rather than everyone having to deal with this fork |
| 22:34.36 | luke-jr_ | themill: there's no real alternative :/ |
| 22:34.53 | luke-jr_ | since Squeeze is frozen, isn't any talk of merging into Xorg futile? |
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| 22:35.33 | themill | luke-jr_: tigervnc is a fork of tightvnc which is in debian. And squeeze+1 is not yet frozen... |
| 22:35.55 | luke-jr_ | tightvnc has been stagnant for years |
| 22:36.00 | luke-jr_ | tigervnc was forked for a reason |
| 22:37.24 | themill | luke-jr_: too many embedded copies of X is one reason; lack of volunteers is possibly (probably) another. Are you volunteering? /msg dpkg nmg. |
| 22:40.09 | luke-jr_ | there seems to be many .debs already, just not part of Squeeze⦠lack of maintainer doesn't seem likely |
| 22:40.14 | luke-jr_ | VNC is a common tool too |
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| 22:40.42 | dondelelcaro | luke-jr_: it needs a maintainer who is actually committed to making the upload to Debian and maintaining it in Debian. |
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| 22:40.53 | dondelelcaro | luke-jr_: if you want to see it in Debian, feel free to volunteer and make it happen |
| 22:41.09 | dondelelcaro | (but be prepared to get some pushback to avoid code duplication) |
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| 22:44.12 | foetus | must go to bed bye |
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| 22:50.42 | mdmarmer | i'm back -- and still having a problem with upgrade of pkg grub-pc in squeeze install |
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| 22:52.40 | mdmarmer | error processing grub-pc --configure |
| 22:52.50 | somiaj | what error are you getting mdmarmer ? -- its called testing for a reasong. |
| 22:53.34 | mdmarmer | subprocess post-installation returned error exit status 30 |
| 22:53.39 | somiaj | hmm, the postinstall script must be trying to use that command erroring out, do you get the actual error grub-pc --configure gives you? |
| 22:53.48 | mdmarmer | full msg in #flood |
| 22:54.09 | somiaj | repaste it in #flood please |
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| 22:57.07 | somiaj | mdmarmer: I don't see the actual error the postinstall script is giving you, but you can look at the script at /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst |
| 22:57.22 | mdmarmer | thx |
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| 22:57.47 | somiaj | you should also check the bts, bugs.debian.org/grub-pc |
| 22:59.52 | chattr | justin: maybe ' aptitude why packageX ' (or packageY) |
| 23:00.10 | chattr | oops, wrong channel |
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| 23:09.41 | marcello_ | hello |
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| 23:09.52 | cosmos2 | hi |
| 23:10.44 | cosmos2 | I had a hard intrusion with root and user passwd changed. How to verify the possible files modification? |
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| 23:11.10 | metalfoo | stat |
| 23:11.33 | AimHere | Comparing with backups might be good |
| 23:11.35 | abrotman | cosmos2: you really can't trust the system .. debsums will check md5sums .. but any one of the tools in the chain could bve compromised and give bad results |
| 23:11.54 | metalfoo | All true. Reinstall the system. |
| 23:11.55 | metalfoo | Really. |
| 23:12.47 | peterrooney | cosmos2: whenever a system is compromised, you cannot trust -anything- it says about itself. |
| 23:13.05 | cosmos2 | complicated I have a triple boot with reffit (osx, xp and Linx), and I don't remember all the installation process |
| 23:13.49 | marcello_ | cosmos2: the complicate part of the process here is the partioning part |
| 23:13.59 | marcello_ | I did it two weeks go |
| 23:14.11 | peterrooney | cosmos2: only external comparison with backups could tell you which files were modified. |
| 23:14.18 | cosmos2 | It's so easy to change root passwd on recovery mode...impressing |
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| 23:14.53 | cosmos2 | I don't make backups... |
| 23:14.53 | peterrooney | cosmos2: physical access trumps all |
| 23:15.04 | peterrooney | cosmos2: you will after this |
| 23:15.10 | abrotman | peterrooney: except a sheet with all the passwords :) |
| 23:15.14 | marcello_ | just format the partition with the installer wihtout changing their size |
| 23:15.52 | cosmos2 | So I have to reinstall all 3 systems |
| 23:16.17 | marcello_ | how do I rebuild a package after changing the content of debian/* ? |
| 23:16.22 | marcello_ | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 23:16.30 | somiaj | marcello_: in most cases yes |
| 23:16.37 | raboof | hmm. I'm trying to build a patched kernel module |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | marcello_: debuild |
| 23:16.57 | cosmos2 | ok, thanks guys |
| 23:16.59 | cosmos2 | bye |
| 23:17.02 | marcello_ | somiaj: it prints dh binary |
| 23:17.07 | marcello_ | and then nothing happens |
| 23:17.13 | raboof | i'm running the 2.6.35-trunk-amd64 kernel, and installed and unzipped linux-source-2.6.35 |
| 23:17.42 | somiaj | marcello_: then you'll have to do it more manually, I guess 'most' rules scripts I worked with the binary option worked just fine. |
| 23:17.46 | raboof | then copied /boot/config-2.6.35-trunk-amd64 as .config in the unpacked kernel source, applied the patch and did 'make modules' |
| 23:17.59 | somiaj | marcello_: follow abrotman suggestion |
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| 23:18.55 | somiaj | raboof: could be issues there as debian adds patches to its kernel tree, if you want to build your own kernel and modules look up make-kpkg and kernel-package |
| 23:19.14 | marcello_ | abrotman: but dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:19.29 | marcello_ | calls debian/rules clean |
| 23:19.34 | jhutchins | Has anyone gotten a live image of squeeze to work from a usb stick? I've had two images fail, and they look like they're not valid filesystems. |
| 23:19.52 | raboof | insmodding the module fails and shows 'psmouse: no symbol version for module_layout' in dmesg |
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| 23:20.10 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 23:20.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:20.13 | marcello_ | in the beginning, and I don't want to rebuild for 30 minute just because I want to test a change in debian/*postinst |
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| 23:20.20 | raboof | somiaj: isn't the 'linux-source-2.6.35' package supposed to contain the patched kernel sources? |
| 23:20.38 | jhutchins | I didn't thin debian used the "trunk" name anymore - are you sure it's a debian kernel? |
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| 23:21.29 | metalfoo | In expeimental obviously |
| 23:21.33 | metalfoo | experimental |
| 23:21.36 | somiaj | raboof: yea it looks like that one will contain the patches debian uses. |
| 23:21.50 | somiaj | raboof: you will still want to look up kernel-package |
| 23:22.08 | somiaj | raboof: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 23:22.37 | raboof | somiaj: yeah, but that's so much of a hassle when i just want a single new/patched kernel module ;) |
| 23:22.37 | abrotman | jhutchins: the .35 in experimental does .. it doesn't guarantee ABI .. so they just call it -trunk- AIUI |
| 23:22.41 | Vorbote | raboof: if you want to take advantage of the include packages in a debian sources package you want to use debuild or pdebuild. |
| 23:23.01 | Vorbote | s/include/included/ |
| 23:23.14 | luke-jr_ | How do I get Debian to start KDE instead of GNOME? |
| 23:23.23 | Diytto | Ohai |
| 23:23.31 | Diytto | Isnt kde fedora? |
| 23:23.34 | somiaj | raboof: sure you could just recomplie the module and copy it over, but then you aren't using the debian package system. |
| 23:23.36 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 23:23.39 | luke-jr_ | GNOME is Fedora if anything |
| 23:23.41 | Diytto | Oh |
| 23:23.44 | Diytto | Ohhh |
| 23:23.45 | Diytto | Ok |
| 23:23.49 | Vorbote | luke-jr_: by selecting kde in the session manager (gdm or kdm, your choice) |
| 23:23.56 | luke-jr_ | Vorbote: I'm not using a session manager. |
| 23:24.07 | raboof | somiaj: i don't care (for now, just want to test this) - except of course loading the module doesn't work ;) |
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| 23:24.33 | Vorbote | luke-jr_: then you need to edit your ~/.xinit file. |
| 23:24.46 | luke-jr_ | where do I find the scripts the session manager uses? |
| 23:24.56 | Vorbote | s/.xinit/.xinitrc |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | luke-jr_: if you use a DM, you can select it there |
| 23:25.13 | Vorbote | or .xsession it depends on what you are using. |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | ignore that :) |
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| 23:26.16 | Tekk_ | does anyone know where I can get support for simh? |
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| 23:27.12 | abrotman | Tekk_: the mailing list? |
| 23:27.21 | Tekk_ | abrotman: those still exist? :P |
| 23:27.52 | Tekk_ | abrotman: a tip if you want to run anything on the pdp10 using simh...don't bother |
| 23:27.54 | raboof | somiaj: wanted to avoid the hassle of compiling a whole new kernel, rebooting, etc just to test this patch... guess i'm out of luck :) |
| 23:28.08 | abrotman | Tekk_: not a problem |
| 23:28.11 | Vorbote | whois Tekk_ |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | hands Vorbote a / |
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| 23:29.35 | Vorbote | agrees with abrotman, Tekk_ is old enough to use simh? It brings memories... |
| 23:30.43 | Tekk_ | Vorbote: hardly |
| 23:31.11 | Tekk_ | Vorbote: when I was born the most popular OSes were windows 3.1 and dos >< |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | not very old |
| 23:31.38 | Vorbote | Tekk_: Heh! My favorite workstating was a VAX, so I was an old one when you were born :-) |
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| 23:32.09 | Vorbote | Or, at leat, pretty much used. :-P |
| 23:32.37 | Tekk_ | ah, I'm working on getting the ITS on there |
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| 23:33.01 | Tekk_ | under pdp10, obviously |
| 23:33.10 | metalfoo | Hm. I just thought "it hasn't been that long since I last used Windows 3.1". Maybe that also means I'm getting old. |
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| 23:34.06 | Tekk_ | metalfoo: not exactly, I could say "it hasn't been that long since I've used windows ME" thanks to the wonders of virtualbox |
| 23:34.32 | Tekk_ | I wanted to see if it really was as bad as everyone says, it was >> |
| 23:35.16 | metalfoo | lol. I can remember the time where Microsoft propagated Me as shiny, new, gorgeous operating system. |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | points the old fogies at #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:35.57 | Tekk_ | who're you calling old? D= |
| 23:36.09 | koollman | more like #debian-dinosaurs ;) |
| 23:38.41 | Vorbote | koollman: more like precambric. But this is really offtopic ;-) |
| 23:38.54 | metalfoo | I could swear, I feel like I did run Woody until 1-2 years ago. |
| 23:39.33 | koollman | metalfoo: perhaps debian stable is released too often! too quickly! :) |
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| 23:39.41 | metalfoo | Yeah |
| 23:40.37 | metalfoo | July 19., 2002? Holy cow! |
| 23:40.38 | Vorbote | metalfoo: and I ran something with dselect as the greatest thing as sliced bread like 16 years ago. And it feels like yesterday. :-) |
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| 23:44.00 | yagoo | points any extra remaining old geezers to abrotman's thought of offtopic |
| 23:44.17 | yagoo | let's be nice :p |
| 23:44.18 | yagoo | LOL |
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| 23:44.39 | Vorbote | yagoo: are you pulling an SNL? |
| 23:45.12 | marcello_ | abrotman: the thing I was looking for was rm debian/*debhelper.log |
| 23:45.19 | yagoo | Vorbote, am not.. but I do believe you can ask Nick Burns :p |
| 23:46.21 | yagoo | marcello_, why delete logs? |
| 23:47.14 | marcello_ | if I don't delete these, fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 23:47.29 | marcello_ | does nothin expec printing dh binary |
| 23:47.37 | marcello_ | and brining me back to prompt |
| 23:48.00 | marcello_ | s/expec/except/ |
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| 23:49.22 | Vorbote | yagoo: I don't think I'm that old. But I did swap TeX tapes and traded in bootleg *nix tapes :-) |
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| 23:52.18 | NoReflex | hello! I have some problems with a raid10 array. I had to resync it and after that I did safe-upgrade- after reboot the raid module was not loaded ... so I added raid10 to /etc/modules and now the module is loaded after reboot but the array won't start. |
| 23:53.43 | marcello_ | what is the list of Default Directoroes that gnome creates in $HOME ? |
| 23:54.17 | marcello_ | and where is it configured ? |
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| 23:56.54 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 23:57.07 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to clear the Rythmbox library, not the files, just the library so I can re-add the music |
| 23:57.15 | ShapeShifter499 | how do I do that? |
| 23:58.55 | NoReflex | anyone, pls? |
