| 00:00.00 | Diytto | amphi: Yes |
| 00:00.16 | icebrain | dougmencken: exactly. But it seems he resigned from Oracle |
| 00:00.26 | Diytto | Wtf |
| 00:00.29 | amphi | Diytto: did you read dpkg's info above? |
| 00:00.33 | Diytto | Yes |
| 00:00.44 | Diytto | Where does the browser downloa too |
| 00:00.59 | amphi | eh? |
| 00:01.13 | dougmencken | Diytto: ~/Downloads |
| 00:01.46 | Diytto | Qh |
| 00:01.48 | Diytto | Ah |
| 00:05.25 | dougmencken | I'll finish may day by joining #ubuntu :) |
| 00:05.55 | Diytto | WHY AM I NOT IN THE SUDOERS FILE |
| 00:06.00 | Diytto | I hate you debian |
| 00:06.09 | dougmencken | 1485 users o_0 |
| 00:06.23 | amphi | Diytto: why did you install sudo? ;) |
| 00:07.17 | icebrain | Diytto: because sudo isn't installed or configured by default. Why should it be? What's wrong with su? |
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| 00:07.25 | Diytto | Really |
| 00:07.35 | Diytto | Im used to sudo |
| 00:07.41 | Diytto | I didnt install it :< |
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| 00:08.04 | franki^ | Some people view sudo as insecure and many people don't use sudo to assume full root priveleges |
| 00:08.24 | franki^ | Which is why it might not work the way you were expecting. :P |
| 00:09.14 | mee | what's the argument for saying su is more secure than sudo? :boggle: |
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| 00:09.55 | franki^ | su has a separate root password, so if some compromises your user account they don't have root control of your machine? |
| 00:10.11 | Diytto | Oic |
| 00:10.27 | franki^ | s/some/someone/ |
| 00:11.56 | Diytto | Okay |
| 00:12.18 | Diytto | I have epiphany browser set ti download to ~/Downloads |
| 00:12.24 | Diytto | An it is not doing it |
| 00:12.45 | amphi | use wget for downloads |
| 00:13.12 | Diytto | Ah |
| 00:13.16 | Diytto | Gret idea |
| 00:13.52 | amphi | Diytto: BTW, do you have an ibook there? If so, there was a nice kernel option to use the sleep light as an hd access indicator |
| 00:14.48 | Diytto | No |
| 00:14.50 | Diytto | I do not |
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| 00:22.25 | sechrist | Is there a way to pre-set a package option like you can in a preseed, without the preseed? |
| 00:25.28 | sechrist | like a env var before apt-get install or something? |
| 00:27.48 | Diytto | Where is java at |
| 00:27.59 | Diytto | On debian |
| 00:28.09 | Diytto | Where is it if i need to call it for a program |
| 00:28.12 | icebrain | Diytto: what do you mean, the package? |
| 00:28.29 | Diytto | No |
| 00:28.29 | Diytto | Like |
| 00:28.41 | dvs | which java |
| 00:28.46 | Diytto | On osx its /System/Library/Frameworks... |
| 00:28.53 | icebrain | Diytto: just "java" |
| 00:28.54 | Diytto | Where is it on debian |
| 00:29.02 | Diytto | O.o |
| 00:29.09 | icebrain | just run "java" on the terminal... |
| 00:29.46 | icebrain | if you want to know the path, run "whereis java" |
| 00:29.59 | dvs | which! |
| 00:30.03 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:30.05 | Diytto | K |
| 00:30.15 | icebrain | dvs: whereis works too :) |
| 00:30.28 | Diytto | Theres like 4 places O.o |
| 00:30.44 | icebrain | Diytto: the first is the binary |
| 00:30.50 | Diytto | Ok |
| 00:30.57 | icebrain | you can run "whereis -b java" to show just the binary |
| 00:31.41 | dougmencken | votes for 'type java' |
| 00:31.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | votes for following !enter |
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| 00:32.28 | Diytto | Okay |
| 00:32.35 | Diytto | I am trying to get a script to work |
| 00:33.07 | Diytto | It is at http://shellhost.diytto.co.cc/downloads.minecraft.tar.gz |
| 00:33.27 | Diytto | Can you help me modify the osx script to run |
| 00:33.49 | Diytto | Fuck |
| 00:33.52 | Diytto | Failure |
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| 00:36.40 | Diytto | :< |
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| 00:39.50 | Diytto | How do i get the java version? |
| 00:40.29 | jelly-home | Diytto: run "java -version" |
| 00:40.39 | jelly-home | also, |
| 00:40.45 | jelly-home | !install java |
| 00:40.45 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 00:43.49 | Diytto | What source do i need for icedtea |
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| 00:45.32 | inetd50 | hi |
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| 00:46.13 | inetd50 | anyone know what wallpaper this is? (http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=stxza#/d1x8yah) |
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| 00:46.48 | Diytto | Wow everything hates ppc |
| 00:47.42 | inetd50 | anyone?? |
| 00:48.29 | macrobat | inetd50: try tineye.com |
| 00:49.06 | macrobat | maybe crop it first |
| 00:49.16 | Diytto | Its nice |
| 00:50.51 | inetd50 | macrobat: you are a legend mate!! |
| 00:51.53 | macrobat | :D |
| 00:52.41 | Diytto | How do i install firefox |
| 00:52.53 | macrobat | !iceweasel |
| 00:52.53 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 00:53.06 | Diytto | AH |
| 00:53.18 | chombee | Hey, I'm wondering why debian isn't connecting to my wireless network automatically on boot |
| 00:53.59 | chombee | In /etc/network/interfaces I have auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp, wpa-ssid MY_ESSID; wpa-psk MY_PSK |
| 00:54.43 | chombee | I saw it do a DHCP request _and receive an IP address_ on boot. ifconfig shows an IP address assigned. But I can't ping anything |
| 00:55.25 | chombee | If I do ifdown and then ifup, now I can ping websites |
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| 00:57.57 | Diytto | I am going to install ubuntu |
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| 01:01.09 | rue_house | :) |
| 01:01.34 | rue_house | ubuntu is the ultimate in automatic transmission |
| 01:01.43 | rue_house | debian is a bit more stick shift |
| 01:01.53 | rue_house | slakware is positively stickshift |
| 01:02.10 | Diytto | Lol |
| 01:02.17 | Diytto | Well |
| 01:02.25 | dvs | gentoo is an assembly kit |
| 01:02.29 | Diytto | I am only learning stickshift ;) |
| 01:03.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | chombee: getting the correct dns entries? |
| 01:03.39 | rue_house | you get more power from stickshift |
| 01:03.47 | rue_house | automatic is for those who dont care |
| 01:03.59 | dvs | or have a lot of traffic |
| 01:04.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | bit OT guys |
| 01:04.44 | dvs | overtime? ;-) |
| 01:04.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | dvs: that'll do ;) |
| 01:06.15 | chombee | Kamping_Kaiser: how would I tell? |
| 01:06.34 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 01:06.41 | chombee | other computers on the network are ok, and it works if I ifdown then ifup |
| 01:07.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | chombee: look in /etc/resolv.conf after booting, then after doing ifdown then ifup |
| 01:07.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | if it differs, thats probably the problem |
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| 01:10.41 | Tuxiscool | Hi there. Just out of curiosity...does the .deb package format support the notion of patches? For instance, could a .deb be created that ships a delta from previous versions of some software, and update an existing package on a system, without needing to send the whole thing? |
| 01:11.31 | chombee | Kamping_Kaiser: not much in /etc/resolv.conf after bottin |
| 01:11.35 | chombee | booting |
| 01:11.46 | chombee | the address of the router only |
| 01:12.12 | metalfoo | Tuxiscool: For package transfer, yes. Incremental packages not that I'd know |
| 01:12.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tuxiscool: not per se |
| 01:12.26 | chombee | same after ifdown ifup |
| 01:13.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | chombee: hm, ok. i'm using wpa_supplicant (cos of wpa),so my configs different |
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| 01:13.59 | chombee | I'm using wpa_supplicant also |
| 01:14.02 | Tuxiscool | Kamping_Kaiser: Is there a not-too-obscure way to use them for such an effect? |
| 01:14.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
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| 01:15.17 | Tuxiscool | Ah, silly loose cable. |
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| 01:15.59 | gueriLLaPunK | I'm super new to Debian. Any guides on how to get started? I want to install Fluxbox and NX |
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| 01:16.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | chombee: http://paste.debian.net/99120/ thats what i've got, plus or minus a real essid :p |
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| 01:16.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | gueriLLaPunK: debian has quite a lot of documentation packaged |
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| 01:20.33 | Diytto | I need someone with an intel debian |
| 01:20.39 | Diytto | To help me |
| 01:20.51 | comradekingu | With? |
| 01:20.57 | Diytto | http://shellhost.diytto.co.cc/downloads.minecraft.tar.gz |
| 01:21.06 | eAndrius | omg |
| 01:21.07 | Diytto | I need to get this to work |
| 01:21.09 | Diytto | :p |
| 01:21.21 | eAndrius | what's so special about that game? |
| 01:21.30 | Diytto | Well |
| 01:21.47 | Diytto | I play classic where you can just build stuff |
| 01:21.54 | Diytto | Its about being creative |
| 01:22.13 | eAndrius | yeah, it's fucking awesome to build your own world of 3d blocks |
| 01:22.20 | Diytto | Ikr lol |
| 01:22.46 | Diytto | !loo |
| 01:22.49 | Diytto | !lol |
| 01:22.49 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:22.55 | eAndrius | that's the only thing? "being creative"? ;] |
| 01:22.55 | Diytto | :} |
| 01:23.08 | Diytto | I guess lol |
| 01:23.18 | Diytto | But im trying to get that to work |
| 01:23.40 | robokop | lol is just the dutch word for fun |
| 01:23.48 | Diytto | Nice |
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| 01:25.37 | Diytto | eAndrius: Can you try it for me? |
| 01:25.45 | Diytto | You have to edit the .sh |
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| 01:26.24 | eAndrius | no |
| 01:26.30 | Diytto | :( |
| 01:26.35 | Diytto | K |
| 01:26.52 | Diytto | Anyone willing to help me? |
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| 01:29.53 | lenswipe | guys |
| 01:30.00 | lenswipe | why do you guys have ancient software in the repos? |
| 01:30.04 | lenswipe | like lmms |
| 01:30.04 | lenswipe | and VLC |
| 01:30.24 | lenswipe | the version of VLC in the repos is like 0.8.6 |
| 01:30.29 | lenswipe | the current version is 1.1.4 |
| 01:30.32 | lenswipe | WHY!? |
| 01:30.33 | lenswipe | XD |
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| 01:35.11 | Coweater | lenswipe: because stable is old and does doesn't receive new versions |
| 01:35.40 | darksk1ez | lenswipe: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vlc - 1.1.3 in squeeze, 1.1.4 in experimental |
| 01:36.30 | lenswipe | when is squeeze released? |
| 01:36.37 | lenswipe | im using lenny btw |
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| 01:36.48 | paradigm | lenswipe: probably this december |
| 01:36.52 | paradigm | from what I've read |
| 01:37.03 | lenswipe | paradigm, :D:D:D:D:D:D |
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| 01:50.38 | peterrooney | Diytto: asking people to download and run random stuff on the internet is, well, not expected to work. |
| 01:51.27 | eAndrius | it is expected to work if you ask in a smart way ;] |
| 01:53.18 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 01:53.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 02:06.03 | Diytto | Orlynao |
| 02:06.08 | Diytto | What is this smart way lol |
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| 02:21.13 | SadHero | root@davinci-violet:~$ make |
| 02:21.13 | SadHero | -sh: make: not found |
| 02:21.15 | SadHero | how to fix this |
| 02:21.23 | SadHero | i tried lookin' it up |
| 02:21.24 | SadHero | useless |
| 02:22.15 | fryguy | SadHero: install build-essential |
| 02:22.24 | SadHero | i dont have apt-get nor yum |
| 02:22.31 | SadHero | when i tried to install yum, it needed make |
| 02:22.38 | qq- | install make |
| 02:22.47 | SadHero | that was my question :) how |
| 02:22.52 | SadHero | i couldn't find any answer |
| 02:23.01 | fryguy | SadHero: what did you do to apt |
| 02:23.04 | fryguy | that you don't have it |
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| 02:23.15 | stew | SadHero: what distro are you running? |
| 02:23.24 | SadHero | Linux davinci-violet 2.6.23-rc4-davinci-45 |
| 02:25.04 | SadHero | any one? |
| 02:25.23 | fryguy | SadHero: we asked you 2 questions. you gave a valid answer to neither. |
| 02:25.24 | stew | SadHero: you might try ##linux, this channel is for debian support |
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| 02:28.42 | innociv | I have /usr/sbin/httpd using up 100% of my cpu.. |
| 02:30.17 | fryguy | so then find the script or process that is causing that and kill it |
| 02:31.50 | innociv | I did kill it. |
| 02:31.56 | innociv | but, how do I figure out why it was using 100%? |
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| 02:32.45 | fryguy | strace, a debugger, trial and error, logfiles |
| 02:32.47 | fryguy | take your pick |
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| 02:34.00 | lenswipe | fryguy, twss |
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| 02:35.32 | tux20 | new online community www.blitzpost.com (chat, email, blog, dating..) |
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| 02:39.16 | SadHero | tar: Invalid tar magic |
| 02:39.17 | SadHero | any idea? |
| 02:39.22 | SadHero | root@davinci-violet:/var/volatile/tmp$ tar -xf make-3.82.tar.gz |
| 02:40.08 | fryguy | SadHero: -xzf, not xf |
| 02:40.23 | koollman | SadHero: add a z to the options, perhaps. or get a valid tarball. also, you may not want to install 'make' that way |
| 02:40.28 | fryguy | whatever you are doing is wrong btw |
| 02:40.37 | fryguy | or not appropriate for #debian |
| 02:40.45 | SadHero | i tried both |
| 02:41.00 | SadHero | koollman, i am hopelss, i tried lots of ways to install 'make' |
| 02:41.09 | koollman | SadHero: on debian ? |
| 02:41.15 | fryguy | koollman: he's not on debian |
| 02:41.26 | fryguy | or he is and decided to delete large chunks of the core system |
| 02:41.31 | koollman | fryguy: I just want to be sure :) |
| 02:41.51 | SadHero | Linux davinci-violet 2.6.23-rc4-davinci-45 #124 |
| 02:42.11 | fryguy | SadHero: that doesn't mean anything |
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| 02:43.22 | koollman | it kind of does, for me. reminds me of some embedded TI stuff, might be a rather crappy image. definitely not debian |
| 02:43.35 | stew | his tar command would have worked on debian |
| 02:43.43 | stew | provided it was a valid .tar.gz file |
| 02:43.52 | qq- | gunzip ? |
| 02:43.54 | fryguy | stew: assuming the file was properly downloaded, which I'd bring into doubt |
| 02:44.25 | stew | i just mean that the xf and xzf would do the same thing |
| 02:45.41 | koollman | and which still has nothing to do with debian, and it's also probably not a great way to get make on whatever broken environment he has :) |
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| 03:09.51 | Diytto | Can anyone help me with java |
| 03:09.53 | Diytto | Please |
| 03:10.23 | stew | Diytto: what's the question? |
| 03:10.36 | Diytto | I get an error |
| 03:10.40 | Diytto | Let me pastie 2 sec |
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| 03:11.18 | Diytto | pastie.org/1276416 |
| 03:11.31 | Kurogane | alguien sabe cuantas max ips puede tener linux? |
| 03:11.50 | stew | !es |
| 03:11.50 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 03:12.06 | Diytto | Wow that bot has everything |
| 03:12.08 | Diytto | Who made i |
| 03:12.11 | Diytto | It* |
| 03:12.19 | stew | Diytto: can you show us the contents of run.sh ? |
| 03:12.30 | Diytto | Yes |
| 03:12.31 | Kurogane | lol sorry |
| 03:12.39 | Kurogane | wrong channel |
| 03:12.50 | Diytto | http://www.worldofminecraft.com/H4X/linux.php |
| 03:12.52 | fryguy | what's up with people and posting non-clickable links :/ |
| 03:12.56 | Kurogane | correct question. How max ip can handle server? |
| 03:13.10 | Diytto | fryguy: Where |
| 03:13.28 | Diytto | Err |
| 03:13.31 | Diytto | Actually |
| 03:13.38 | Diytto | Thats not whats in run.sh |
| 03:14.14 | stew | Diytto: please stop using the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 03:14.46 | Diytto | Sorry |
| 03:15.05 | stew | Diytto: are you going to show us what is in run.sh? |
| 03:15.28 | Diytto | That was actually it sorry |
| 03:15.47 | Diytto | http://www.worldofminecraft.com/H4X/linux.php |
| 03:15.54 | stew | Diytto: what does "ls /home/brady/lib/minecraft.jar" return? |
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| 03:17.18 | Diytto | You mean /home/brady/Desktop/flyhax/minecraft.jar? |
| 03:17.50 | stew | no |
| 03:17.55 | Diytto | Theres a lib in there |
| 03:17.56 | stew | is that where that file exists? |
| 03:18.01 | Diytto | Yes |
| 03:19.05 | stew | Diytto: when you run "/home/brady/Desktop/flyhax/run.sh" and run.sh is using relative classpath entries like "lib/minecraft.jar" they are relative to the directory where you are when you run run.sh, which in this case is /home/brady, so the classpath entry is essentialy /home/brady/lib/minecraft.jar |
| 03:19.28 | stew | Diytto: if you ran "cd /home/brady/Desktop/flyhax ; ./run.sh" it might work |
| 03:19.40 | stew | Diytto: or you might alter the run.sh to change to the directory for you |
| 03:19.54 | Diytto | Okay |
| 03:19.57 | Diytto | I will try |
| 03:19.59 | stew | Diytto: does that make sense? |
| 03:20.27 | stew | Diytto: are you running this as root? |
| 03:20.40 | Diytto | Yes |
| 03:20.58 | stew | Diytto: why? does it really need root privileges to run? |
| 03:21.03 | Diytto | Idk |
| 03:21.08 | Diytto | Im doing it anyway |
| 03:21.25 | fryguy | hurray, let's run arbitrary code as root for no good reason! |
| 03:21.32 | smacnay | Is there a good standalone db editor for sqlite (something in gtk perhaps)? |
| 03:21.59 | fryguy | smacnay: what's wrong with the sqlite command itself |
| 03:22.00 | Diytto | stew: It worked! |
| 03:22.22 | smacnay | fryguy, probably nothing - I have not started toying with it just yet. |
| 03:22.22 | stew | Diytto: don't use root when it isn't necessary |
| 03:22.33 | Diytto | Ok |
| 03:25.48 | Diytto | Ok stew it works now except the windows that is supposed to appeardoes not |
| 03:25.59 | Diytto | :O nvm! |
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| 03:51.36 | skwashd | hi all |
| 03:51.51 | skwashd | i have a squeeze box running grub2 for boot |
| 03:52.03 | skwashd | it is configured to boot without delay |
| 03:52.44 | skwashd | the problem is that the raid controller is causing the boot to fail because it needs a bootdelay argument |
| 03:52.57 | skwashd | is there any way to receover from an initramfs shell? |
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| 03:57.23 | Diytto | Hey i have openjdk-6-jre installed but the java wont load in the epiphany browser |
| 03:58.11 | Diytto | It also wont load in a program (i think, needs further testing) any idea why? |
| 03:59.20 | Diytto | Oh uh its the jre that wont load btw |
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| 03:59.28 | Diytto | Brb in like 15 mins |
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| 04:06.04 | fryguy | Diytto: did you put the plugin in the right place? |
| 04:06.43 | I-are- | hello, question: why is it that my external hard drive (160GB NTFS I think) mounts as a read-only, but my 95GB NTFS partition on my local hard drive is readable and writeable under debian lenny? |
| 04:07.17 | fryguy | how are you mountin git |
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| 04:07.55 | I-are- | fryguy, I use pcmanfm to mount it. I am using debian lxde... |
| 04:08.20 | fryguy | does your user have the correct permissions to access usb devices? |
| 04:08.40 | fryguy | I-are-: is there a weird udev rule that's mounting it with a set of permissions that you aren't expecting? |
| 04:08.56 | fryguy | I-are-: what happens if you mount it with standard tools, like mount |
| 04:09.16 | I-are- | fryguy, I have not tried mount yet. |
| 04:11.53 | I-are- | fryguy, is the external usb drive going to be listed in dev? usually when I plug it in I get a listing in my /media folder... |
| 04:12.11 | fryguy | I-are-: it is |
| 04:17.04 | I-are- | fryguy, how do I determine which of the files in dev corresponds to my external usb hard drive? I see the file named /dev/disk and the /by-label directory show MYx20PASSPORT, but I am pretty sure that is just an alias. |
| 04:17.29 | fryguy | I-are-: you look in kernel log at the time that you plugged the device in to see what it did |
| 04:17.36 | I-are- | and I just learned that using sudo cat hda# can provide some really interesting reading |
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| 04:24.11 | I-are- | fryguy, no luck it mounts, but still read only and I cannot work with it in pcmanfm without running pcmanfm as root |
| 04:24.36 | I-are- | fryguy, and even when viewing it as root I get a readonly |
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| 04:25.45 | I-are- | I could have sworn that I was using this drive earlier, downloading stuff directly to it from the web using debian, and now I can only read from it. |
| 04:27.53 | linkslice | what's the latest rumors of squeeze release? |
| 04:28.39 | fryguy | linkslice: topic |
| 04:30.47 | linkslice | fryguy: yeah I know it's frozen...just curious if there's an estiamte when it gets moved to stable |
| 04:31.23 | fryguy | linkslice: when it's ready |
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| 04:32.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I-are-: did you mount with -o uid=1000 or so... ? |
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| 04:39.22 | ScottG | How do I get a list of manually installed packages? |
| 04:40.15 | I-are- | jpinx-eeepc, no I have not... let me see what I need for the uid, unless 1000 is some default. |
| 04:42.10 | I-are- | jpinx-eeepc, is the uid supposed to be suid? as in the group identifier? |
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| 04:43.54 | I-are- | or does mount automatically call ntfs-3g when it detects a ntfs partition? |
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| 04:44.38 | passingby | hi |
| 04:45.27 | passingby | I am new to debian and i wish to try debian without messing up my windows boot manager. I am on windows 7. Is there any installer similar to wubi(ubuntu) in the world of debian? |
| 04:45.49 | fryguy | passingby: don't think so, just run it in a vm |
| 04:46.33 | passingby | fryguy: thanks, which vm would u suggest plz? |
| 04:46.45 | fryguy | passingby: virtualbox |
| 04:46.58 | passingby | is opensource? |
| 04:47.04 | fryguy | passingby: yes |
| 04:47.11 | fryguy | mostly |
| 04:47.26 | passingby | fryguy: thanks a lot, i head there right this moment |
| 04:48.16 | passingby | sun has been taken over by oracle? |
| 04:48.21 | passingby | hm |
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| 04:48.54 | yagoo | passingby, ya there's an equivalent of wubi for debian... |
| 04:49.18 | yagoo | passingby, but like wubi.. an entry to windows bootmanager menu is added.. |
| 04:49.30 | passingby | yagoo: which one? link please? |
| 04:50.19 | passingby | I am on windows 7, |
| 04:50.39 | yagoo | !tell passingby about debian.exe |
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| 04:51.13 | passingby | I tried ubuntu with wubi, but there is some serious issues with my hardware, my machine is vaio VPCEB18FD |
| 04:51.41 | passingby | so i wanted something more sold, reliable, hence i am considering debian. |
| 04:51.49 | yagoo | passingby, just ask the channel about win7.. am not sure if it does added a new bootmenu entry after vista.. but i know on vista it works.. |
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| 04:52.23 | yagoo | passingby, no sony's acpi is not fully implemented.. |
| 04:52.48 | yagoo | passingby, i had a sony vaio laptop here |
| 04:53.10 | passingby | yagoo: gnewsense does not run on windows7 yet :-( |
| 04:53.11 | yagoo | passingby, but i was able to do everything i needed |
| 04:53.28 | yagoo | it doesnt? hmm.. try virtualbox or vmware.. it's a safe bet |
| 04:53.39 | yagoo | !tell passingby about virtualbox |
| 04:53.43 | passingby | yagoo: downloading virtualbox |
| 04:54.14 | yagoo | passingby, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox << it allows like a machine within a machine.. |
| 04:54.30 | yagoo | passingby, your virtual machine will be slow if your hardware is more than a few years old.. |
| 04:54.51 | passingby | no its new one, intel i5 4gb ram |
| 04:55.07 | yagoo | passingby, does the cpu processor have a VT feature ? |
| 04:55.22 | passingby | i am downloading virtualbox from sun/oracle, is that equal good? |
| 04:55.29 | yagoo | y |
| 04:55.52 | passingby | VT feature? i dont know, but since this processor is currently going on in the market, i guess it should have it |
| 04:56.18 | yagoo | passingby, there are many tutorials on vbox.. there's even a channel.. |
| 04:56.44 | yagoo | passingby, like youtube videos etc.. |
| 04:57.24 | passingby | while I am happy with windows 7, absolutely no problem at all, still for reasons like having an open source alternative for emgerceny, for knowledge sake and for spreading open source i want to have another OS on hand. |
| 04:57.34 | passingby | yagoo: thnks |
| 04:57.39 | yagoo | np |
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| 05:00.53 | richiefrich | can anyone tell me on lenny why when i update grub-probe is still runningf |
| 05:01.06 | richiefrich | been running nfor 20 min |
| 05:04.31 | Bop | how to convert a png RGB to png RGBA ? |
| 05:08.54 | yagoo | Bop, add an "a" to rgb ? |
| 05:10.04 | Bop | no |
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| 05:55.15 | km | what is bash profile variable for displaying hostname? |
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| 05:56.14 | Big_Brother | So, i have an issue here... i'm trying to install debian [via a netinst] but my system somehow just went into read-only mode. any ideas? |
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| 05:58.13 | km | \h |
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| 06:06.22 | Big_Brother | Looks like the system is having trouble install busybox. |
| 06:06.57 | rwp | Big_Brother: Is your disk throwing disk errors? ALT-F4 to see the debian-install console and possible error messages. |
| 06:08.35 | Big_Brother | Ah |
| 06:09.04 | Big_Brother | 'apt-install' or 'in-target' is already running elsewhere somehow. |
| 06:10.38 | rwp | So your filesystem isn't read-only. dpkg or apt was unable to get a lock? |
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| 06:13.28 | Big_Brother | Too tired. |
| 06:13.32 | Big_Brother | Sleeptime. |
| 06:13.41 | Big_Brother | I'll fix this tomorrow. |
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| 06:55.20 | shalok | What is the name of the package that provides mouse support for the console? |
| 06:57.26 | tabris | gpm |
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| 07:07.40 | missPapaya | ohai guise |
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| 07:09.03 | missPapaya | urban: gtfo my #debian |
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| 07:54.21 | severnaya | hi i have a question, why is it that after i install debian i can't rotate my desktop like a 3d cube? |
| 07:54.57 | urban | fyi severnaya is a troll. |
| 07:55.04 | urban | he actually uses fedora. |
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| 07:55.12 | severnaya | ...? i dont know who you are |
| 07:55.17 | _snowball | severnaya, :o |
| 07:55.25 | _snowball | Quickly! Burn the fedora user! |
| 07:55.33 | urban | he thinks this is funny. |
| 07:55.43 | severnaya | who are you urban |
| 07:55.52 | severnaya | ( ï¾â©ï¾) i think you have me confused :S |
| 07:55.58 | urban | check #cplug |
| 07:56.04 | urban | (I hoep you leave there too) |
| 07:56.11 | urban | good. thanks. |
| 07:56.14 | _snowball | urban has carried out an investigation. |
| 07:56.26 | severnaya | i dont think so _snowball |
| 07:56.49 | urban | _snowball: that's because I know who he is personally and he's mad about fedora not checking out his bug report |
| 07:56.50 | _snowball | severnaya, I believe he has enough evidence to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you are, in fact, a Fedora user. |
| 07:56.56 | urban | and he's doing this to spite me |
| 07:57.05 | _snowball | severnaya, also, you don't check bug reports! |
| 07:57.05 | severnaya | _snowball and what evidence would that be? |
| 07:57.12 | _snowball | These are ver severe accusations. |
| 07:57.19 | severnaya | >accusations |
| 07:57.21 | severnaya | >severe |
| 07:57.23 | severnaya | lolno |
| 07:57.34 | _snowball | severnaya, I don't know, he has done the investigation. |
| 07:57.50 | urban | just be aware. |
| 07:57.51 | severnaya | i dont believe his investigations hold up to the rigor you might imagine |
| 07:58.00 | urban | its not like I've been idling here for the past few hours waiting for some random guy |
| 07:58.04 | urban | I've been waiting for him. |
| 07:58.11 | _snowball | Wow! |
| 07:58.12 | severnaya | >urban lurks |
| 07:58.18 | _snowball | severnaya, dude, he got you. |
| 07:58.28 | _snowball | He has waited for you, and caught you. |
| 07:58.33 | severnaya | not so fast _snowball, it seams the sun is out and you wont last much longer |
| 07:58.51 | urban | well whatever, anyway be careful of what he asks. he's an expert. |
| 07:58.59 | urban | (at trolling) |
| 07:59.05 | severnaya | >thinks im an expert at anything |
| 07:59.41 | severnaya | urban i didnt mean to hurt your feelins though i know not who you are (ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠|
| 07:59.44 | _snowball | I will heed your warning urban. |
| 08:00.12 | severnaya | _snowball i think you are quick to judge |
| 08:00.35 | urban | well considering you have the host make of the same person who just left #cplug |
| 08:00.37 | urban | yeah I know you. |
| 08:00.46 | urban | host mask* |
| 08:00.50 | _snowball | severnaya, you're wasting your breath on me. |
| 08:00.57 | _snowball | I will not be caught in your web of lies. |
| 08:00.58 | severnaya | _snowball i never waste breath on snowball |
| 08:00.59 | peterrooney | and this is related to debian how? |
| 08:01.02 | urban | its nto. |
| 08:01.11 | severnaya | peterrooney i want to know how to make desktop rotate |
| 08:01.31 | _snowball | severnaya, you mean the cube? |
| 08:01.33 | _snowball | Compiz. |
| 08:01.35 | urban | its funny because he was just complaining about compiz in fedora 10 minutes ago. |
| 08:01.40 | severnaya | but how do i get it |
| 08:01.42 | urban | except in another channel |
| 08:01.50 | urban | alright guys. good luck. |
| 08:02.16 | _snowball | severnaya, yum install compiz |
| 08:02.17 | _snowball | :) |
| 08:02.24 | severnaya | wont work |
| 08:03.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | severnaya: please paste `uname -a` into the channel |
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| 08:06.47 | severnaya | Kamping_Kaiser where do i type that? |
| 08:07.24 | urban | so you typed "yum install compiz" in 30 seconds but you can't figure out where to type that? yeah. |
| 08:07.57 | severnaya | i never typed yum install compiz anywhere |
| 08:08.07 | severnaya | i just know debian uses apt |
| 08:08.31 | urban | so you know it uses apt, but you don't know how to type uname -a? |
| 08:08.46 | severnaya | Linux cookiemonster 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Oct 22 15:36:08 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:09.52 | _snowball | Liar. |
| 08:09.59 | _snowball | It's :09 right now. |
| 08:10.02 | _snowball | Not :36 |
| 08:10.14 | urban | hahaha |
| 08:10.14 | _snowball | Aso, it's not Friday, Oct 22nt. |
| 08:10.16 | _snowball | *22nd |
| 08:10.18 | urban | ROFL |
| 08:10.30 | _snowball | That was a joke, by the way. |
| 08:10.39 | severnaya | nuhuh |
| 08:10.56 | _snowball | urban, the time date is the time date of compilation. :P |
| 08:11.02 | JasonWoof | I'd like to cross-compile a project for windows. I'm having trouble figuring out a recommended way to get my dependancies (eg sdl-image) cross-compiled. In Fedora there were mingw32 versions of many popular libraries, and I packaged up the two I needed that were missing |
| 08:11.30 | severnaya | i didnt do anything wrong |
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| 08:12.11 | JasonWoof | I have a vague memory that debian doesn't do that, but I can't find any decent docs on what I should do. I thought I read somewhere that there was a way to use a debian source package to cross-compile it for windows |
| 08:12.53 | JasonWoof | and that this might not always work, since it's not the maintainers responsibility to test cross-compiling, but that they (and/or upstream) would probably welcome patches |
| 08:13.16 | severnaya | JasonWoof can't you use visual basic or something microsoft provided? |
| 08:13.47 | JasonWoof | I've been tinkering with trying to get dpkg-buildpackage to cross-compile, but I couldn't find anything to pass it for architecture and/or gnu system type that would make it happy |
| 08:13.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | JasonWoof: i've not heard of rebuilding debs onto windows |
| 08:14.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | severnaya: thats not very constructive |
| 08:14.39 | severnaya | try mingw |
| 08:14.50 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: ./configure --host=i586-mingw32msvc |
| 08:14.54 | JasonWoof | and dpkg-architecture -L ("Print a list of valid architecture names.") doesn't list anything about win32 or mingw |
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| 08:15.23 | JasonWoof | Kamping_Kaiser: I could be totally wrong, it's a very faint memory |
| 08:15.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | JasonWoof: there was a debian on win32 project for a while, died out years ago though |
| 08:16.58 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: ok, then I should install to a prefix in home directory? I know how to get something to cross-compile, but I'm hoping there's some way I can use the package manager or something to manage all the files, and get all the headers in a good place that gets autodetected and all that |
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| 08:17.52 | JasonWoof | Kamping_Kaiser: heh, I ran across some reference to a system with mingw/rules file that seemed to be similar to the debian/rules file |
| 08:17.59 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: maybe you want to read this: http://wiki.njh.eu/Cross_Compiling_for_Win32 |
| 08:19.58 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: i used these (squeeze) a while ago: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc-mingw32 |
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| 08:20.48 | urban | good luck guys severnaya is installing debian in a VM http://pastebin.com/eZq68inS (chat log) |
| 08:20.55 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: ahh, your first link says you have to manually add w32-i386 to your list of architectures |
| 08:21.01 | JasonWoof | then you can use dpkg-cross |
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| 08:21.12 | dutchfish | yes |
| 08:21.28 | severnaya | >thinks when i come back in a name besides severnaya i wont be indistinguishable from anyone else on the internet who comes in here for the first time |
| 08:21.32 | dutchfish | both methods can be used depending on your needs |
| 08:22.50 | dutchfish | severnaya: last but not least i want you to know about: http://packages.debian.org/sid/mlton-target-amd64-mingw32msvc |
| 08:23.08 | JasonWoof | is it still true (on unstable) that the correct architecture is w32-i386? mingw32 package installed to lots of paths with "i586-mingw32msvc" in it. |
| 08:23.09 | dutchfish | oops that was for JasonWoof |
| 08:23.16 | severnaya | kk |
| 08:24.04 | _snowball | severnaya, you're a loser: http://pastebin.com/eZq68inS |
| 08:24.07 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: that hacks the architecture table for me? |
| 08:24.11 | severnaya | _snowball no u |
| 08:24.21 | severnaya | dont worry ill make you my friend as an alt |
| 08:24.35 | severnaya | when i reincarnate |
| 08:24.51 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: i386-mingw32msvc is the generic |
| 08:25.48 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: I'm perplexed by the "ml" port |
| 08:25.51 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: i586 for more modern systems, depends on your target |
| 08:25.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | must be saturday |
| 08:26.07 | severnaya | why are there 667 people in here and like 3 talking |
| 08:26.15 | severnaya | #fedora is way more active than this with like 1/3 the people |
| 08:26.19 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: mlton is a new kid on the block |
| 08:26.50 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: gl |
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| 08:28.31 | dutchfish | severnaya: what was your debian q? |
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| 08:29.10 | severnaya | not ready yet dutchfish |
| 08:29.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone remember how to get the top of a directory tree? dirname gives me the bottom of it and i've had a blank :( |
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| 08:29.54 | severnaya | cd / |
| 08:30.06 | NginUS | my nfs server box is overpowered & underutilized- can I put some of it's memory toward caching md0 like the hardware controller does on my other box? |
| 08:30.30 | severnaya | NginUS ya wouldnt that just be software raid? mdraid? |
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| 08:31.26 | JasonWoof | Kamping_Kaiser: you bean "basename"? |
| 08:31.36 | NginUS | severnaya : that's how it is now... but I don't know where to begin with regard to setting a huge writeback cache, or if thats even possible- |
| 08:31.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | JasonWoof: one internet for you good sir :) thats exactly what i was after |
| 08:32.08 | severnaya | i dunno i personally dont use raid because i use lvm instead |
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| 08:32.44 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser: i don't exactly understand what you mean, but maybe: info coreutils 'dirname invocation' |
| 08:32.45 | doubleukay | NginUS: you don't really want a writeback cache made out of ram. what happens if the server loses power? |
| 08:32.47 | NginUS | severnaya : yeah, me too. the lvm's on top of the md0 |
| 08:33.00 | severnaya | ahhh NginUS thats hella complicated |
| 08:33.19 | NginUS | doubleukay : it won't, power's redundant- except that one only has one power supply, so... |
| 08:33.35 | NginUS | severnaya : bummer |
| 08:33.56 | severnaya | doubleukay how would that be any different than using a hardware controller that loses power |
| 08:34.22 | doubleukay | severnaya: it has a battery to keep its ram contents alive for a few days. buys you a few days of time. |
| 08:34.34 | severnaya | ahhh |
| 08:34.45 | NginUS | doubleukay : i didnt know those batteries lasted tha long, wow |
| 08:34.46 | severnaya | interesting |
| 08:35.08 | doubleukay | NginUS: not sure about the general population.. but the adaptecs I use are estimated for 3 days |
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| 08:35.41 | doubleukay | NginUS: if you still wanna do it, you can look at $your_filesystem's manpage and see if there are any suitable mount options. |
| 08:35.50 | NginUS | doublekay I've only seen one raid controller, thats the one i have- a Dell / LSI- the battery's about the size of half my fist |
| 08:37.05 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: I don't understand how the mlton thing helps. I installed it and dpkg-architecture -L still doesn't list anything mingw-ish |
| 08:37.07 | NginUS | doubleukay : filesystem does that, huh- I wouldn't have guessed- thought it'd be man mdadm but i didnt see it there. Thanks |
| 08:38.27 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: that was only for read (things in development), on the wiki link i gave, examples are given and how to set up envirenment and how to invoke. |
| 08:38.49 | JasonWoof | k |
| 08:39.48 | JasonWoof | dutchfish: the wiki link is great! I'm still working through it and experimenting |
| 08:40.01 | dutchfish | JasonWoof: ;) |
| 08:40.42 | severnaya | so im at the software selection screen in the installer, but its just a blank screen |
| 08:40.50 | doubleukay | NginUS: you may be able to do it at the block layer as opposed to fs layer... but I'm not aware of any solution that fits exactly what you want |
| 08:40.52 | severnaya | no next/back button or anything, just a plain gray screen like it didnt load right |
| 08:41.25 | doubleukay | there is a facebook project called flashcache that makes a writeback cache out of an ssd, I suppose you could make a ramdisk blockdev and use that |
| 08:41.36 | doubleukay | but that is going out far into experimental waters :) |
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| 08:42.48 | NginUS | doubleukay : basically after whatever's best practice, not after fancy hacks- just want to put somemore of the hardware to use. likely won't be trying that although the ssd is more than capable, (X25-e) :D |
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| 08:43.41 | severnaya | ah there it goes |
| 08:43.47 | severnaya | kk ill be back tomorrow ⥠_snowball |
| 08:44.40 | shalok | I have a whole bunch of files in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng/_import, but when I initiate an import using the web interface on port 3142 it informs me that there are no 'appropriate' files... Why? |
| 08:44.54 | NginUS | The box was going to run Nexentastor, but @ install I found there were missing drivers. Didn't do my homework right I suppose. :( |
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| 08:45.08 | doubleukay | aw shucks |
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| 08:45.22 | NginUS | meh. less learning curve this way is how i look at it |
| 08:45.37 | doubleukay | I have a few boxes on solaris proper, it did take awhile to find a compatible sata card for it. |
| 08:45.38 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:45.46 | Agiofws | what can i do to fix this error |
| 08:45.59 | Agiofws | W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 |
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| 08:46.33 | NginUS | doubleukay : I tried a few years ago, and again just before Oracle, & it was always sooo frustrating, like grinding teeth on asphalt. |
| 08:46.48 | doubleukay | NginUS: the supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8, in case you are interested. not very expensive at $100, 8 ports, supports 2TB disks. |
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| 08:48.29 | doubleukay | Agiofws: you'll have to import the gpg key that's used to sign that repository |
| 08:48.29 | NginUS | doubleukay : I see how you could be happy with that |
| 08:48.49 | NginUS | doubleukay : what kind of slot is that? |
| 08:49.11 | NginUS | n/m ic |
| 08:49.26 | Agiofws | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 ? |
| 08:49.27 | NginUS | never used pcix |
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| 08:50.49 | doubleukay | Agiofws: not sure exactly. the instructions should be on the launchpad pages somewhere. there'll be a "apt-key" command in it. |
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| 08:50.56 | NginUS | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36918 no driver for this nic in osol |
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| 08:54.14 | dutchfish | apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver [keyserver] $KEYID |
| 08:55.13 | NginUS | maybe you can adapt this for your release, the process is similar. http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Maverick#Add_repository_keys |
| 08:55.51 | NginUS | Agiofws: : was meant for you |
| 08:56.29 | Agiofws | NginUS, thank you i solved it |
| 08:56.33 | NginUS | ogood |
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| 09:19.24 | dutchfish | hi, how to teach grub2's osprober not to detect xen dom-U instalations in the volume(s) but still detect others? (squeeze/x86_64/xen 4.01) ? |
| 09:22.57 | dutchfish | this is specially a pita with extended bioses and bootable util-partitions. |
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| 09:31.19 | NginUS | dutchfish: I don't know for sure but it would make sense that it'll have something to do with the grub file in /etc/default. I noticed that where |
| 09:31.40 | NginUS | the timeout gets overwritten from if you edit it by hand |
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| 09:35.39 | Death4Li1e | hi |
| 09:35.41 | Bastihase | Free vServers: http://4x4w.de/gewinn/?id=90907 |
| 09:35.48 | Death4Li1e | I've seen a lot of the following lines lately: |
| 09:35.48 | Death4Li1e | tcp 0 1 192.168.1.200:33131 192.168.0.100:80 SYN_SENT 28521/apache2 |
| 09:36.03 | Death4Li1e | what do those mean? ( my server being compromised? ) |
| 09:36.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bastihase: please don't spam. thanks. |
| 09:42.02 | NginUS | doubleukay : It looks like the ext4 defaults are sensible, and that just changing to noatime will be enough. Safe is good. |
| 09:42.31 | NginUS | Thanks for your help nonetheless |
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| 09:51.19 | shalok | Are the Desktop/Documents/Downloads/etc default directories in my home directory used for anything or can I just delete them? |
| 09:53.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: you can delete them, but some applications will recreate them. |
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| 10:02.28 | rek | hi i don't hear anything |
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| 10:03.41 | rek | and how can i create a shortcut of my drives so that i can click it and insert my root password without having to launch nautilus with sudo ? |
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| 10:08.10 | rek | hi ov3rmind |
| 10:08.57 | ov3rmind | hi |
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| 10:13.33 | ov3rmind | anyone knows if kde4 already run on squeeze in my box he doesn't run |
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| 10:14.35 | rek | i don' hear anything |
| 10:14.38 | rek | and how can i create a shortcut of my drives so that i can click it and insert my root password without having to launch nautilus with sudo ? |
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| 10:18.07 | andre_pl | I think i just destroyed a raid5+lvm array, I failed a disk in it because it was acting up, then I noticed that there was some file corruption, so I took the array offline and did an fsck, which made me say yes for several hours straight, now it can't mount the array at all and thinks its a zero-length partition :( |
| 10:18.52 | tomkap | rek: gksu |
| 10:19.15 | rek | i don't want it |
| 10:19.33 | tomkap | dream on |
| 10:20.43 | stew | rek: i don't know anything about shortcuts or icons or nautilus, but if the mount is listed in fstab with the "user" open, root isn't required for mounting it |
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| 10:21.40 | inc0 | hi, I got something like this http://www.nopaste.pl/uor |
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| 10:22.09 | inc0 | this occured after dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 10:23.50 | Bushmills | rek: ln -s for creating "shortcuts" |
| 10:24.16 | stew | inc0: what version of python-minimal is installed? |
| 10:24.45 | Bushmills | rek, and check out autofs |
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| 10:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell inc0 -about postrm |
| 10:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | only that this is not on removal but on install |
| 10:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, check the bts |
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| 10:38.49 | shalok | What is the best sound system to use these days? ALSSA or OSS or something else? |
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| 10:39.17 | streuner_ | !best |
| 10:39.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:40.05 | rek | Bushmills: what's autofs |
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| 10:41.50 | cahoot | shalok: why do you ask? alsa is default |
| 10:42.01 | shalok | I got nothing atm |
| 10:42.06 | shalok | Ok I'll go alsa |
| 10:42.28 | cahoot | shalok: if you have a recent kernel you have alsa |
| 10:46.00 | shalok | cahoot: Dang, apparently I already had alsa, so why doesn't vlc play sound =( |
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| 10:48.32 | shalok | Ok, apparently sound is muted by default. |
| 10:48.53 | shalok | Unmuted and turned the volume up a bit and it's good now. |
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| 10:51.46 | cahoot | just install alsa-utils |
| 10:52.10 | rek | i don't hear anithing instead |
| 10:52.11 | cahoot | it takes care of unmuting and basic levels |
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| 10:57.10 | hid3 | Hello everyone. What was the country of origin for Debian? |
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| 11:00.35 | hid3 | No one knows?! I don't believe it... |
| 11:01.37 | rek | they're sleeping |
| 11:01.44 | rek | i don't hear anything |
| 11:02.02 | cahoot | country of origin in what respect? |
| 11:02.27 | hid3 | Well, SuSe was originally developed in germany, I think |
| 11:02.41 | hid3 | and I'm not sure where Debian started... |
| 11:02.49 | rww | Debian is developed by an international group of volunteers |
| 11:03.02 | hid3 | at the moment, yes |
| 11:03.15 | hid3 | but still, where was the first developement/release made? ;-) |
| 11:03.28 | rww | on the Internet |
| 11:03.40 | hid3 | ;-) |
| 11:03.46 | mhi^ | hid3: do you know what "Debian" stands for? |
| 11:03.53 | cahoot | I think the initial 'crreator' was from US |
| 11:04.06 | rww | Debian's founder was in America at the time, so I guess we can just use that as an answer to the nonsensical question ;) |
| 11:04.22 | hid3 | Oh, that's what I wanted to know! |
| 11:04.39 | andre_pl | Deb -> Deborah , Ian -> Ian |
| 11:04.43 | andre_pl | the dude and his wife's name no? |
| 11:04.56 | rww | girlfriend at the time, now ex-wife |
| 11:05.02 | andre_pl | close enogh :P |
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| 11:05.49 | hid3 | Interesting facts! Didn't know that! ;-) |
| 11:06.02 | andre_pl | only reason I know is because I used to pronounce it "Deebian" util a friend corrected me and said it was short for deborah |
| 11:06.40 | rww | (Debra) |
| 11:06.46 | andre_pl | again, close enough :P |
| 11:06.52 | andre_pl | she's only the 'ex anywya :) |
| 11:06.57 | mhi^ | BTW, it's Debra (Lynn), not Deborah |
| 11:07.36 | shalok | When I modprobe nvidia it complains 'no such device' even though lspci lists a GeForce 6200. Why? |
| 11:08.23 | andre_pl | shalok: afaik the newer nvidia drivers dont support some of the older cards, I could be wrong though. which version off the nvidia drivers are you trying to isntall? |
| 11:09.17 | shalok | andre_pl: uhm, nvidia-kernel is 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:09.28 | shalok | andre_pl: that the number you were asking about? |
| 11:09.53 | andre_pl | no, they have some wierd version numbesr, the latest is 256.x i think, and there was 188 and 176 as well i believe. |
| 11:10.01 | rozie | shalok: look for nvidia legacy packages |
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| 11:10.48 | andre_pl | sorry i cant be more helpful I haven't had one of the older cards in a while and i'm still reeling over the loss of my entire music collection :) |
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| 11:16.18 | jmd | Whenever I try to start iceweasel, I get "Couldn't load XPCOM". Wtf is XPCOM and why can't it be loaded? |
| 11:17.18 | ZinovaS | how do i make karnel panic after booting to test if the system will reboot after time i specified ? |
| 11:18.05 | andre_pl | jmd: xpcom is part of the library/framework which firefox (and iceweasel) are developed upon. |
| 11:18.16 | andre_pl | i dunno why it can't be loaded though :) |
| 11:18.49 | aDuck | ZinovaS: maybe swapoff && fork bomb can do it, i'm not sure |
| 11:19.05 | valdyn | ZinovaS: write to your memory directly till the system crashes |
| 11:19.12 | jmd | ZinovaS, Try asking in ##linux |
| 11:19.28 | valdyn | ZinovaS: fork bombing should not crash the system... |
| 11:19.55 | ZinovaS | yes, it did not crashed.. ;) |
| 11:19.56 | valdyn | ZinovaS: thats /dev/mem I think |
| 11:20.45 | jmd | valdyn, no. But it can use so much resources that it's unusable and impossible to halt. |
| 11:20.56 | ZinovaS | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mem :D |
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| 11:23.11 | hid3 | anoks tu ZinovaS jeigu nezinai |
| 11:23.25 | lxsys | apt-get update is hanging on "connecting to security.debian.org" at 99%, what should I do? |
| 11:23.50 | ZinovaS | hid3, cia nieks neturi moketi lietuviskai! |
| 11:23.51 | valdyn | lxsys: retry |
| 11:24.39 | lxsys | valdyn, worked after i commented it out, ran apt-get update, uncommented, ran apt-get update. strange. |
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| 11:25.02 | valdyn | lxsys: thats a retry, your commenting has nothiong to do with it |
| 11:25.19 | lxsys | but i retried 3 time before commenting. |
| 11:26.14 | valdyn | lxsys: thats like it didnt work 3 times, but after you prayed religiously it worked, so god helped you |
| 11:26.56 | lxsys | valdyn: well.... in that case i'm going downstairs to comment out the lines "crash" in the windows source code. |
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| 11:35.55 | hid3 | ZinovaS: out of curiousity, what apt mirror(s) are you using in your sources.list? |
| 11:36.10 | ZinovaS | litnet |
| 11:37.02 | hid3 | I see. Some weeks ago I had problems with it (looked like it had corrupted packages) so I switched to another |
| 11:38.31 | ZinovaS | didn't had any problems with it sins debian etch ;) |
| 11:40.25 | hid3 | In case you have some, you might want consider switching to ftp.lt.debian.org, this one seems to be very reliable (at least for me).... |
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| 11:43.28 | rek | i what can i use to manage a ftp server ? |
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| 11:47.01 | valdyn | rek: a text editor |
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| 11:47.34 | rek | nano and ftp u say |
| 11:47.50 | rek | but is there a nice gui like filezilla server |
| 11:48.36 | ArtVandalae | Any reason why FTP over SFTP? |
| 11:49.02 | rek | me? sftp you mean ssh ? |
| 11:49.07 | valdyn | rek: we need to know what it really is you want to do *specifically*. |
| 11:49.26 | valdyn | rek: for example, theres like a dozen ftp servers in debian |
| 11:49.28 | ArtVandalae | rek, yes. You can use the SSH protocol to transfer files. |
| 11:49.53 | rek | i must create an ftp area i did it with filezilla server and dyndns |
| 11:50.17 | rek | but web browser can't manage that protocol |
| 11:50.25 | rek | s |
| 11:51.17 | rek | give some password to some users... free access... etc... |
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| 11:52.02 | shalok | When I search unstable package descriptions for '6200' I get several matches for nvidia*173xxx packages but none of them actually have '6200' in the description. What's going on? |
| 11:52.18 | rek | i did it also with ftp i think but is there a gui ? |
| 11:52.24 | valdyn | shalok: search *how* ? |
| 11:52.35 | shalok | valdyn: Using the package search website. |
| 11:54.12 | valdyn | shalok: interesting |
| 11:54.26 | valdyn | shalok: someone made a rule to match 6200 to 6xxx ? |
| 11:54.49 | valdyn | shalok: thats possible, but i cant tell you anything about how that search engine works |
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| 11:57.28 | andre_pl | can anyone help me to dismantle my busted lvm+raid5? I want to reformat one of the drives as just a plain ext4 partition but its telling me its in use, the lvm isn't mounted but i think the raid array may still be "running" not sure how to stop it |
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| 12:01.43 | xyan | andre_pl: mdadm --stop /dev/md? |
| 12:02.02 | andre_pl | xyan: failed to stop, device or resource busy |
| 12:02.09 | andre_pl | xyan: i dont know why its busy, the partition isn't mounted. |
| 12:02.19 | andre_pl | i guess maybe LVM is tying it up, but I dont know how to stop that |
| 12:02.33 | xyan | stop the mdadm related services in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 12:03.46 | andre_pl | xyan: the only thing there was mdadm, i stopped it but it didn't make a difference. |
| 12:04.09 | xyan | try to lsof/fuser the md device |
| 12:04.28 | evilgeenius | Is there a tool that will allow me to do a filesystem diff? I have a fresh vps on which I will be installing lots of packages, and after everything has been installed I want t oknow exactly what files have been added/changed. |
| 12:05.08 | andre_pl | xyan: nothing :( |
| 12:05.50 | xyan | evilgeenius: uhm you could do that with rsync i believe, telling it not to write stuff actually and use --backup and --backup-dir=somewhere to store the differences somewhere |
| 12:06.06 | Bushmills | -n for dry-run |
| 12:06.36 | xyan | andre_pl: no idea |
| 12:07.02 | andre_pl | xyan: thanks |
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| 12:08.01 | evilgeenius | So 1) do a full rysnc of my system to another place, then 2)install all my stuff, and then 3)use rsync again with --backup and --backup-dir? |
| 12:08.34 | Death4Li1e | use find to create a list off all your files? |
| 12:08.48 | evilgeenius | Death4Li1e: good plan |
| 12:08.51 | xyan | evilgeenius: use -n otherwise you end up with a clone, but te changed files will be in the dir specified by --backup-dir |
| 12:09.08 | Death4Li1e | that will only tell you what has been added, I think |
| 12:09.30 | xyan | evilbulg1rian: you will have to md5sum all the files in your filelist and compare them to the other filelist |
| 12:09.34 | xyan | evilgeenius:* |
| 12:09.46 | Bushmills | --delete tells you what will/would be deleted from destiniation |
| 12:09.47 | xyan | evilgeenius: but yeah why not using rsync it basically does the same :) |
| 12:10.19 | evilgeenius | Death4Li1e: could i find -exec grep ls -arlth {} \; -print >> before |
| 12:10.33 | evilgeenius | then do it afterwards then do a diff on the 2 files |
| 12:10.42 | Death4Li1e | probably |
| 12:10.52 | Death4Li1e | < fairly inexperienced though :P |
| 12:10.52 | Bushmills | well, why not complicated if there's a simpler way with rsync |
| 12:11.23 | evilgeenius | Bushmills: i dont really know rsync that well |
| 12:11.25 | xyan | evil geniuses do it the hard way! |
| 12:11.39 | xyan | rsyncs manpage is excellent |
| 12:11.45 | Bushmills | you won't ever know it if you avoid using it, even where it is useful |
| 12:11.49 | evilgeenius | Bushmills: Wouldn't i have to make a copy of all my files with rsync |
| 12:11.52 | evilgeenius | ? |
| 12:12.05 | Bushmills | told you already: -n for dry run |
| 12:12.42 | evilgeenius | Bushmills: would i do that before or after i installed all my packages? |
| 12:12.55 | Bushmills | you compare two file systems. |
| 12:13.11 | Bushmills | you cannot compare against where there is nothing to compare with |
| 12:13.17 | xyan | lol |
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| 12:13.27 | Bushmills | "what is the difference between a crocodile?" |
| 12:14.09 | evilgeenius | Bushmills: yeah, but i am comparing my before (fresh debian install) filesystem with my after file system (installed packages), so won't i need to do a normal run pf rsync the first time? |
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| 12:14.29 | Bushmills | (answer: it swims in water, and walks on ground) |
| 12:15.36 | xyan | evilgeenius: no you need a source _and_ a destination for rsync :/ |
| 12:16.25 | xyan | evilgeenius: find / -type f -exec md5sum {} + > before... and after and diff it if you dont have two machines |
| 12:16.41 | evilgeenius | yeah thats better |
| 12:17.33 | macrobat | how do i make sshd not start on boot? |
| 12:18.08 | xyan | update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 12:18.24 | macrobat | ty |
| 12:18.28 | xyan | (should be run by default though...) |
| 12:18.40 | xyan | macrobat: sorry overread the not! |
| 12:18.51 | xyan | update-rc.d -f ssh remove |
| 12:18.51 | xyan | ! |
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| 12:19.10 | bint | hi there |
| 12:19.22 | macrobat | welcome to #debian, bint |
| 12:19.34 | bint | usually the .bash_history is stored in /usershome/.bash_history - right? |
| 12:19.47 | bint | if the homedir doesn't exsit of this user, will it still be stored somewhere |
| 12:19.52 | bint | or is it just gone then |
| 12:20.03 | passingby | guys i am trying to install debian on a virtual machine running on oracle virtualbox, but the installation does not move past the the first screen in which i choos install or graphical install, what could be erong? |
| 12:20.06 | passingby | wrong? |
| 12:20.55 | xyan | bint: a user without a home gets /nonexistent as $HOME.. so the history ends up nowhere |
| 12:21.22 | bint | and the user will end up in the /home dir by default? |
| 12:21.30 | bint | without bash log |
| 12:21.51 | xyan | if you dont tell adduser something different then its /home/$USER/.bash_history |
| 12:22.07 | bint | ok |
| 12:22.10 | xyan | bint: try it, remove the home from /etc/passwd and see what happens |
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| 12:24.14 | shalok | When I startx, it complains that the nvidia module does not exist. But not only does it exist, but it's already loaded... What gives? |
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| 12:24.45 | bint | and how again can i list all users on a machine |
| 12:25.19 | cga | hi all, how can i upgrade a package from backport repo? do i have to pin or can i do it with -t ? |
| 12:25.20 | xyan | getent passwd |
| 12:25.48 | valdyn | cga: read the documentation at http://backports.org/ |
| 12:25.55 | cga | thanks |
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| 12:29.50 | bint | my problem is. - the isp wrote me that there was a problem with my server and they'd have to check it manually whats wrong - the server was down and not reachable for 15 minutes |
| 12:30.15 | bint | it went on again before they checked it.. so they wrote again that the problem was solved without doin anything 15mins later |
| 12:30.37 | bint | but why the heck should the server go down... nobody was using it at the moment.. there's nothing hosted on it so far |
| 12:30.54 | xyan | routing problem, temporarily not reachable |
| 12:31.10 | xyan | i mean they try to ping hosts and if it fails they get a message so what |
| 12:31.30 | bint | so you dont think it might be hacked or something |
| 12:31.48 | xyan | you have to decide |
| 12:31.51 | xyan | usr rkhunter |
| 12:31.52 | xyan | check logs |
| 12:31.56 | xyan | check timestamps |
| 12:32.07 | xyan | use debums to verify essential programms |
| 12:32.12 | xyan | watch out for open ports |
| 12:32.24 | bint | am i allowed to port-scan my own dedicated server? |
| 12:32.26 | xyan | debsums* |
| 12:32.38 | xyan | bint: i dont know the laws in .ch |
| 12:32.46 | bint | the server is in *ger |
| 12:32.52 | xyan | even better :) |
| 12:33.07 | valdyn | bint: why would port scanning be illegal anywhere? |
| 12:33.13 | xyan | why would you portscan you have access to it use netsat lsof and whatnot |
| 12:33.20 | xyan | valdyn: its illegal in germany |
| 12:33.23 | bint | well when i was a kiddie we did portscan for anonymouse open ftps |
| 12:33.25 | valdyn | xyan: nonsense |
| 12:33.28 | bint | and i got letters and stuff that i should stop |
| 12:33.32 | bint | and i had to stop |
| 12:33.38 | xyan | valdyn: only bsi certified it techies can do that |
| 12:33.43 | bint | my isp wanted to cut of my connection for 3 years, everywhere in switzerland |
| 12:33.48 | valdyn | xyan: thats nonsense |
| 12:34.18 | passingby | any ideas on why debian installation gets stuck on my virtualbox? |
| 12:34.51 | passingby | i canmove selection up and down the options on the screen but when i press enter it gets frozen right there. |
| 12:34.54 | bint | valdyn its for sure illegal in germany to go for a full portscan on a random ip - its counts as "tryin to break in" and thats illegal |
| 12:35.28 | bint | passingby what are you installing? netinstall? |
| 12:35.31 | valdyn | bint: theres a law that can be read as applying to a wide range of things |
| 12:35.42 | valdyn | bint: but law system in germany does not actually work that way |
| 12:36.27 | bint | i know its illegal to scan 1000 computers in germany on port 445 - thats what i did and they wanted to sue me. |
| 12:36.43 | valdyn | bint: thats something totally different than scanning one computer |
| 12:38.37 | valdyn | bint: if you port scan 1000 computers, then your isp will get mails or letters from quite a few of those |
| 12:38.47 | bint | yep |
| 12:38.53 | valdyn | bint: dont you think that will annoy the hell out of them? |
| 12:39.12 | passingby | bint: i am installing debian on windows7 |
| 12:39.48 | valdyn | bint: but if you just scan your own computer, they will neither notice nor is that illegal |
| 12:40.06 | xyan | passingby: try to disable apic / acpi related settings in virtualbox |
| 12:44.03 | bint | kk |
| 12:44.08 | bint | i have this in my kern.log |
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| 12:44.20 | bint | Nov 6 02:55:24 ks353986 kernel: UDP: bad checksum. From 72.188.14.77:19294 to xx.xx.xx.xxx:49185 ulen 75 |
| 12:44.46 | bint | what is this ip searching in my kern.log? its from the usa |
| 12:44.54 | bint | and i've got nothing to to with *.us |
| 12:45.13 | valdyn | bint: you always and constantly get hit by malicious bots |
| 12:45.28 | valdyn | bint: just this one was also a broken packet, nothing to worry about |
| 12:45.35 | bint | ah ok |
| 12:46.14 | valdyn | bint: only if they really take a significant amount of your bandwidth theres a reason to worry, but probably not alot you can do |
| 12:46.50 | valdyn | ( till it gets big enough that your isp would implement a filter ) |
| 12:47.07 | bint | yep |
| 12:47.57 | bint | are you using atop? |
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| 12:50.40 | daedaluz | opinion about using brtfs? |
| 12:50.57 | valdyn | daedaluz: its not for you yet |
| 12:51.05 | daedaluz | thought so |
| 12:51.49 | valdyn | nokia and intel will ship devices using it, so uh, maybe it will be good in a year |
| 12:53.23 | rek | i really don't ear anything here |
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| 12:56.33 | passingby | bint: acip option is already not selected. I am able to proceed a little bit on installation if i choose option advanced options>expert install, but after trying to run vmlinuz it errors saying that it needx86-64 processor but it detected an i686 processor. What does this mean? my processor is intel i5. |
| 13:02.22 | xyan | passingby: is your host system 64bit? |
| 13:02.36 | xyan | passingby: you cant install 64bit guests on a 32bit host os |
| 13:03.12 | passingby | i am on windows 7, is that 64 but? lemme check |
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| 13:04.13 | passingby | how do i check is my win7 is 64 or 32? |
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| 13:04.38 | xyan | this is #debian ... |
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| 13:04.42 | macrobat | ask in #windows :D |
| 13:04.46 | valdyn | passingby: does c:\Program Files(x86) ( or similar ) exist? |
| 13:05.09 | simonrvn | why are you even catering to that? |
| 13:05.29 | pmurias | how can i teach aptitude that removing packages is not a prefered way of dealing with problems? |
| 13:06.14 | passingby | valdyn: it does. and i checked in system properties, it says 64 bit OS |
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| 13:06.22 | pmurias | as it looks like that it prefers the stuff i use regularly instead of upgrading things |
| 13:06.32 | valdyn | passingby: then your virtualisation software is 32-bit |
| 13:06.41 | simonrvn | passingby: you should go to the right channel |
| 13:06.49 | Deathvalley122 | the netinstall iso has the the server version option? |
| 13:06.52 | passingby | oh! so thats the glitch then? |
| 13:07.07 | valdyn | Deathvalley122: debian has no server version |
| 13:07.31 | passingby | simonrvn: sorry, i came cos of debian, i thought i needed help from here |
| 13:07.34 | Deathvalley122 | oh I want to install the server os of Debian |
| 13:08.05 | valdyn | Deathvalley122: debian is a universal os, not "server", theres no different versions in that regard |
| 13:08.19 | Deathvalley122 | I don't want the desktop one |
| 13:08.26 | neil_d | hi... trying to get encrypted loopback working on my SBC.. I can get plain loopback mounting working :) ... but I can't get any encryption working... I can modprobe aes etc. and that works... I get the error "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length..." everytime :( can anyone help? |
| 13:08.37 | simonrvn | Deathvalley122: there is no difference |
| 13:08.56 | simonrvn | Deathvalley122: uncheck desktop in the tasksel blue screen |
| 13:09.23 | simonrvn | passingby: i'll shut up actually, because i don't know what your issue is |
| 13:09.26 | Deathvalley122 | then once it's installed it shows the tty screen? |
| 13:09.36 | simonrvn | yes... |
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| 13:10.14 | Deathvalley122 | right |
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| 13:13.17 | Deathvalley122 | cause this PC I am gonna be turning it into a Linux server I don't want any desktop version like gnome nor kde |
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| 13:16.22 | macrobat | Deathvalley122: dont install desktop, then |
| 13:16.35 | macrobat | untick that box |
| 13:17.15 | Deathvalley122 | thanks |
| 13:17.18 | blackshirt | hello |
| 13:18.43 | simonrvn | wonders why what he said 10 minutes is getting repeated |
| 13:18.48 | simonrvn | ago* |
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| 13:34.00 | quiritius | hi! metacity stopped to load after gnome startup, i have to load it through "startup application". another user does not have this problem. how to fix it? it is squeeze here. |
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| 13:43.47 | passingby | guys i found out my prblem, i went into mobo setup and found an option of enabling virtualisation. now i can install debain(64) on windows7(64 bits) on core i5(64 bit) |
| 13:44.57 | blackshirt | and so |
| 13:45.40 | passingby | blackshirt: i was asking for help over here earlier, i just wanted to report back how i solved it. |
| 13:46.59 | blackshirt | okey.. sorry, I have only just joined here... i don't know much about your problem.. |
| 13:48.15 | passingby | i am trying to install debain on a virtualbox on a windows7 host os with core i5 processor. it wasnt installing, it was freezing on the first step, then i found out that i had to enable the virtualisation feature in the mobo bios setup. that solved the problem. |
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| 13:50.13 | tokam | hi, the sudo of my root server does not support the -g option yet. How to install the latest sudo version? Is it not in the debian tree? |
| 13:50.36 | blackshirt | it was greats passingby.. |
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| 13:52.04 | blackshirt | maybe you want check it on packages.debian.org |
| 13:52.57 | tokam | I am very noob with debian. I am a gentoo user :( |
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| 13:53.03 | bookmark | hello |
| 13:53.34 | bookmark | i tried to get libportaudio-dev off of lenny cd5 it doesn't seem to be on there |
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| 13:54.00 | bookmark | but it shows in the package list |
| 13:55.13 | bookmark | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/list-cd/ |
| 13:55.41 | tokam | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/sudo/download |
| 13:55.44 | blackshirt | tokam: what you mean with sudo does not support -g option.. |
| 13:55.49 | tokam | found 1.6.9 but I need 1.7.2 I think |
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| 13:56.00 | tokam | http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/sudo.man.html |
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| 13:56.34 | tokam | later versions have the -g option. mine does not but I need it. |
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| 13:57.05 | tokam | don't wanna use chgrp + chmod g+s. I wanna use sudo with -g cos I use sudo anyway for my problem. |
| 13:57.30 | blackshirt | i think, sudo on debian has support -g option |
| 13:57.41 | jmd | I've just obtained one of those USB portable "hard drives". Does anyone know how I can use it? |
| 13:57.56 | bookmark | oh nevermind |
| 13:58.00 | blackshirt | tokam: i use squeeze repository, and my sudo support it |
| 13:58.02 | tokam | I think I need a higher version. |
| 13:58.03 | bookmark | its libportaudio0 thats on there |
| 13:58.08 | bookmark | i got the wrong one |
| 13:58.24 | tokam | how to install a higher version on debian? |
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| 13:59.42 | valdyn | judd: versions sudo |
| 13:59.44 | judd | Package sudo on i386 -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4; lenny: 1.6.9p17-3; lenny-security: 1.6.9p17-3; squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2; sid: 1.7.4p4-4 |
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| 14:00.10 | blackshirt | tokam: you can download it manually from packages.debian.org, or edit your sources.list to using testing/unstable to install sudo from with apt pinning, or you can off course compile it by your self |
| 14:00.54 | massmc | hello there everyone.. whats a good firewall for debian |
| 14:01.05 | massmc | firestarter any good? |
| 14:01.50 | tokam | ok found it on packages.org I do not know wether my server is 32bit or 64. Is this a problem? |
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| 14:02.48 | blackshirt | yes, normally you can't run 64 application on 32 bit system without chroot.. |
| 14:02.56 | xyan | tokam: figure it out dpkg --print-architecture |
| 14:03.35 | tokam | amd64 |
| 14:04.14 | xyan | judd: versions sudo |
| 14:04.14 | judd | Package sudo on i386 -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4; lenny: 1.6.9p17-3; lenny-security: 1.6.9p17-3; squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2; sid: 1.7.4p4-4 |
| 14:04.24 | tokam | downloaded the .deb now on the server. what's the command to inslall it? |
| 14:04.26 | xyan | !tell tokam about sbp |
| 14:05.19 | xyan | tokam erm sorry wrong factoid |
| 14:05.30 | xyan | what was the backport from source one? |
| 14:05.34 | blackshirt | tokam: you can install it with dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 14:05.59 | xyan | tokam: if there arent dependency issues use dpkg -i |
| 14:06.06 | tokam | thx, so stuck backon is not important for me? |
| 14:06.23 | xyan | nah |
| 14:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ssb" |
| 14:06.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | "simple sid backport" |
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| 14:06.51 | xyan | aah! |
| 14:06.56 | xyan | !tell tokam about ssb |
| 14:07.29 | tokam | http://pastebin.com/5pLgkgEc |
| 14:07.49 | xyan | tokam: forget about that read what dpkg just said |
| 14:10.15 | tokam | complicated for me. Looks like I will spend hours googling for the keywords. |
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| 14:11.00 | xyan | tokam you can ask dpkg all the <keywords> |
| 14:11.21 | tokam | why a backpoint? why a src? which src? ok ... the rest complies builds the .deb package? and than I add it to the source list and can install it with update? |
| 14:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | back_port_ |
| 14:12.14 | xyan | tokam: there are binary and source repositories in debian, backporting from source means compiling a newer version and creating your own .deb to be installed via dpkg |
| 14:12.33 | blackshirt | tokam: maybe simply to add backport repo to sources.list and install sudo from there |
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| 14:12.37 | tokam | ok. but we downloaded a .deb now |
| 14:12.46 | xyan | tokam: you pick the source because the binary packages have dependencies.. in your case a newer libc6 which would break your whole system |
| 14:13.24 | xyan | blackshirt: sudo is not in lenny-backports ^^ |
| 14:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | as to why... the packages in squeeze/sid depend on newer libraries than are in lenny... which would mean that those would need to be installed into lenny, which means you would be running a mix between lenny and squeeze, which would be untested and you could get all kinds of crashes and weird results.... which is generally contradicts the point of running "stable" |
| 14:14.03 | blackshirt | xyan : ok... thanks..i dont play with backports |
| 14:14.36 | tokam | xyan: if we do this, will it trick the dependcies? if we trick them won't i get bugs and errors? |
| 14:15.03 | xyan | tokam: i didnt try it for that specific package, so i cant answer your question |
| 14:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, see above |
| 14:16.17 | tokam | And what is the solution now? |
| 14:16.29 | tokam | this backporting? |
| 14:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 14:16.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you compile with the versions of the libs that are there |
| 14:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, if a program depends on a newer version of a lib, you would need to backport that too and still end up with a newer version of the lib... |
| 14:17.15 | tokam | will it throw more likely compiletime or runtime bugs? if anything is going wrong? |
| 14:17.17 | tokam | is it tested? |
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| 14:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | so backporting can become... not feasible |
| 14:18.20 | tokam | what's the difference if i backport all dependencies, compared with installing the .deb packages (including dependecies)= |
| 14:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | like trying to backport miro 3 to lenny... |
| 14:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | the difference is that you don't usually need to backport the dependencies because they can be fulfilled with the libs in lenny |
| 14:19.21 | xyan | tokam: sudo depends on a newer libc6 alsmost everything links against it so beckporting libc6 as dependency for sudo makes no sense at all because you will have to beckport everything that makes use of libc6... and thats like upgrading to sid |
| 14:19.52 | tokam | ok, but backporting sudo can lead to runtime errors can it? |
| 14:20.56 | valdyn | tokam: why would it? |
| 14:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xyan, it depends on the libc6 it was compiled against - look at the Build-Depends, there is no libc6 in there |
| 14:21.07 | tokam | cos it depends on a lib that I do not have. |
| 14:21.29 | valdyn | tokam: you cannot backport it without that lib |
| 14:21.48 | tokam | so I can not install the new sudo version without changing much much much? |
| 14:21.49 | valdyn | tokam: but maybe you are confused about build depends and depends |
| 14:21.53 | xyan | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant to answer "15:18:58 tokam$ what's the difference if i backport all dependencies" |
| 14:22.22 | valdyn | I very much doubt that sudo needs any new libs |
| 14:22.34 | xyan | tokam: tried it and it works... http://pastebin.com/VWYnNdCj |
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| 14:23.32 | tokam | =) |
| 14:23.57 | tokam | I'll try this thx. Why do not we add sudo than to lenny? |
| 14:24.03 | tokam | the new one |
| 14:24.12 | valdyn | tokam: "we" ? |
| 14:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a lot of manpower you bind in here, just to get the -g option... |
| 14:24.55 | xyan | because debian works that way new packages end in sid > testing > stable (which is lenny) its that way to assure stability and quality |
| 14:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also wonder about "we" |
| 14:25.19 | valdyn | except that packages never migrate to stable |
| 14:25.39 | tokam | http://pastebin.com/15FzzGcc |
| 14:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I recognize that, it's a pastebin |
| 14:25.50 | xyan | nitpicker xD |
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| 14:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | xyan, no, that's actually a central point |
| 14:26.31 | xyan | did i say ">" means migrate? testing becomes stable when rc bugs = 0 ... |
| 14:26.59 | xyan | tokam: Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed. |
| 14:27.17 | tokam | line 26 - 36 |
| 14:27.49 | xyan | tokam: are you runnging lenny? what says /etc/debian_version ? |
| 14:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, you didn't follow the instructions in the factoid |
| 14:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 14:28.15 | tokam | 5.0.6 |
| 14:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you already messed with the system by installing the sudo .deb from squeeze |
| 14:28.56 | xyan | tokam: purge sudo from squeeze, add the deb-src repo for sid to your sources.list |
| 14:31.57 | krushik | i've started using xen domU based vds at some hoster. they provide only lenny but i need squeeze, so i've updated to the latter instantly. later i did a lot of work on it, but accidentally found that network doesn't automatically go up after reboot.. tech supp answers that problem appeared beacuse of upgrade to lenny and it is my fault, so i should purchase extended administration service for 50$/hour to solve it with theirs help or find solution by myself. |
| 14:31.57 | krushik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:32.44 | thewanderer1 | so where's KDE 4.5 in Debian? |
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| 14:33.31 | krushik | *because of upgrade to squeeze. mistyped |
| 14:33.33 | xyan | krushik: i bet its related to udev and the changed sysfs layout which was introduced with squeeze, hence its not only networking that doesnt work but the whole system refuses to boot because your xen provided kernel is incompatible with udev from squeeze |
| 14:33.59 | tokam | hard for me to do this :( |
| 14:34.30 | xyan | then pay for someone who can! |
| 14:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | krushik, our psychic abilities don#t go _so_ far... it could be a lot of things and anyway, even if we tell you exactly what it is, using our amazing psychic powers, how are you going to fix it with an unbootable system that you have no access to? |
| 14:34.42 | tokam | I am here now http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/sudo/download |
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| 14:34.52 | xyan | ip-kvm |
| 14:35.02 | xyan | tokam: you dont have to download anything! |
| 14:35.03 | xyan | damn it |
| 14:35.10 | xyan | aptitude purge sudo |
| 14:35.18 | xyan | $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list~ |
| 14:35.21 | xyan | -~ |
| 14:35.32 | tokam | I am in this file, but I do not konw how to find, what I have to find, maybe cos I do not know what I have to find :) |
| 14:35.47 | tokam | what has to be added "add the deb-src repo for sid" |
| 14:35.53 | babilen | thewanderer1: Not available yet AFAIK -- see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html for more information |
| 14:36.13 | xyan | tokam: you clearly shouldnt be doing that, man sources.list figure out its syntax |
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| 14:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, add a line in /etc/apt/sources.list for squeeze (no need for sid), but have it start with "deb-src" instead of "deb" |
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| 14:37.46 | donatilo | hi, i am trying to install php with apache2 and i get the following error. |
| 14:37.47 | donatilo | apache2: Syntax error on line 203 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: symbol xmlTextWriterWriteString, version LIBXML2_2.6.0 not defined in file libxml2.so.2 with link time reference |
| 14:37.52 | donatilo | Action 'configtest' failed. |
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| 14:37.54 | donatilo | The Apache error log may have more information. failed! |
| 14:37.55 | honschu | hiho |
| 14:38.36 | tokam | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 14:38.44 | krushik | xyan, CutMeOwnThroat i can ask tech supp a couple of times to bring interface up manually. they did it through vnc already, so i suppose that system succesfully boots and just eth0 not get up automatically |
| 14:38.57 | xyan | tokam: exactly then aptitude update |
| 14:39.10 | xyan | tokam: and apt-get -t squeeze source sudo |
| 14:39.15 | babilen | tokam: yes |
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| 14:39.53 | xyan | krushik: afaik xen guests dont need a network config at all |
| 14:40.00 | tokam | think I have to check the dpkg guide again to enable this backporting. |
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| 14:40.38 | tokam | http://pastebin.com/qY4KeqiQ |
| 14:41.19 | babilen | tokam: Do you have "dpkg-dev" installed? |
| 14:41.31 | babilen | tokam: It helps sometimes to read the error messages ;) |
| 14:41.35 | Chosi | is there a way to let a failing kernel log into something so i can read what went wrong after it rebooted? (to the safe default kernel) |
| 14:41.42 | xyan | krushik: dmesg on one of my xen hosts says "Command line: root=/dev/xvda1 ip=X.X.X.X: ..." and i dont have anything configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | krushik, well, connect to it then and figure out what goes wrong... dmesg and /var/log/messages are your friend, perhaps install ifplugd ... I had an interface that couldn't be brought up with ifup if one didn't run "ifconfig wlan0 up" first (gave some "no such device" error)... no errors, no cause |
| 14:42.20 | tokam | it failed to install (upper pastebin: http://pastebin.com/15FzzGcc) |
| 14:42.49 | tokam | aptitude install build-essential ? |
| 14:43.01 | xyan | tokam: you added the source repo for what? sid or squeeze? think about what -t does |
| 14:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, the question is more like "did you read the frigging ssb factoid and why haven't you followed the instructions therein" - it's build-essentials that's missing |
| 14:43.27 | tokam | squeeze |
| 14:43.27 | tokam | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 14:43.50 | xyan | yeah then use -t squeeze not sid ... |
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| 14:44.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, 1) "aptitude install sudo -t lenny" or something. I told you you fucked with your dependencies when you tried to install sudo from squeeze |
| 14:44.35 | xyan | tokam: and you still need a working dpkg-dev, from _lenny_ |
| 14:44.41 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: That is also a very good question :) |
| 14:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, 2) follow instructions from the factoid, don't skip parts |
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| 14:45.54 | tokam | xyan: it has the same dependcy problems as sudo :D |
| 14:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, and 0) read the errors, they actually tell you what's going wrong... |
| 14:46.20 | tokam | now somehow it works |
| 14:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | " sudo: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11) but 2.7-18lenny6 is to be installed" |
| 14:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | means you fucked with it, now apt refuses to install stuff |
| 14:46.47 | krushik | xyan, CutMeOwnThroat thanks for advice and info. i'll try to fix it |
| 14:47.05 | tokam | :) thx |
| 14:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it actually also tells you (one way) how to fix that: Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 14:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | two ways, actually |
| 14:50.32 | tokam | xyan: line 208? http://pastebin.com/VWYnNdCj |
| 14:51.23 | tokam | CutMeOwnThroat: I think as a beginner you should never use -f unless you know what you do. |
| 14:51.36 | tokam | root@srv:~/sbp/sudo/sudo-1.7.4p4# dpokg[K[K[Kpl[Kg [K[Kdpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 14:51.51 | xyan | dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 14:52.01 | xyan | was a screenlog and i hit tab way too often |
| 14:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, perhaps you should read in the manpage of "man aptitude" or "man apt-get", what -f means? |
| 14:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | tokam, it might even have the effect that you know what you do |
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| 14:53.13 | tokam | did good :) --fix-broken |
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| 15:00.25 | tokam | aptitude build-dep packagename; http://pastebin.com/VWYnNdCj this should be line 208 of the pastebin, but what is the command exactly? I see -us -uc |
| 15:00.58 | Diytto | Hey im looking at this http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#b43_and_b43legacy however debian does not detect my card at all so i cant even get the pciid |
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| 15:01.31 | thewanderer1 | Diytto: if Debian doesn't see your card under PCI listing, then it is not connected or not supported by the machine/BIOS |
| 15:01.55 | Diytto | Well it is supported by the machine |
| 15:02.02 | xyan | we figured out that is a pcmcia card yesterday |
| 15:02.07 | xyan | it is* |
| 15:02.13 | Diytto | We did? O.o |
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| 15:02.16 | xyan | we did |
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| 15:03.27 | cjae | Hi, I am a ubuntu user thinking of moving to debian again, last time I tried I had to little time to try to setup the things I needed to work. How much time or how hard (I know this is difficult to rate) will I be to get a fully functional kde 4.5.1 with separate x screens on my plasma via hdmi and working flash and multimedia codecs? |
| 15:03.41 | passingby | . |
| 15:04.07 | cahoot | cjae: 10-100 h |
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| 15:04.21 | thewanderer1 | KDE 4.5.1 is not even in Experimental yet... |
| 15:04.21 | cjae | cahoot: ? |
| 15:04.22 | tokam | aptitude build-dep sudo? |
| 15:04.31 | passingby | I just finished installing debian on a virtual machine. and when i boot up i am presented with a console login, how do i start the gui desktop? |
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| 15:04.37 | tokam | /tmp/test/sudo-1.7.4p4 |
| 15:04.42 | Diytto | Alright. Well how would i find this pciid? When i looked at boot logs it said orinoco errored on it so it terminated in. Someone yesterday said they had to get another driver for theirs to work |
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| 15:05.42 | cahoot | cjae: just a guess - who knows what your premises are |
| 15:05.46 | k-rad | good day all. could use your assistance, as you may be more skilled at this than the average desktop user. i am using ubuntu and was told many of you may be skilled at this sort of thing. need failover for link aggregation to wlan0 and speed tweak recommendations i am willing to pay anyone $10 if they can solve it for me :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10080308#post10080308 |
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| 15:06.47 | k-rad | answer does not necessarily need to be solved on ubuntuforums.org, but i sure could use a networking guru. will literally offer $10 paypal. ##networking is of no assistance, not even for $10 |
| 15:06.56 | jaw_vvd | hi, I'm looking for someone willing to create (and or maintain) a debian package for my app VSXu (www.vsxu.com) |
| 15:06.59 | cjae | so what is the current kde version? |
| 15:07.26 | xyan | Diytto: http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco did you read that? |
| 15:07.33 | Diytto | Yes |
| 15:07.35 | cahoot | !version kde |
| 15:07.53 | xyan | Diytto: basically says you could try a backport kernel and firmware |
| 15:08.00 | cjae | you guys dont have bots do you |
| 15:08.04 | k-rad | my hope that this is entirely possible, preferably through my /etc/network/interfaces file lies in some function entitled lagg lagg - link aggregation and link failover interface |
| 15:08.49 | Diytto | Well |
| 15:08.54 | Diytto | I guess i could do that |
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| 15:09.11 | thewanderer1 | cjae: we do... |
| 15:09.14 | cjae | oh |
| 15:09.19 | thewanderer1 | ,version kdebase-bin |
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| 15:09.25 | Diytto | xyan: I am having java issues too... Lemme get you a pastie 1 sec |
| 15:09.30 | thewanderer1 | ,versions kdebase-bin |
| 15:09.32 | judd | Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1 |
| 15:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions kde-core |
| 15:09.34 | judd | Package kde-core on i386 -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 15:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 15:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh yours was better |
| 15:09.53 | Diytto | http://pastie.org/1277209 |
| 15:09.54 | xyan | Diytto: sorry i dont have time right now, got to get some things sorted myself. please ask the chan :) |
| 15:09.56 | Diytto | K |
| 15:10.00 | Diytto | Alright |
| 15:10.05 | cjae | squeeze is > than lenny? |
| 15:10.13 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 15:10.14 | Chosi | yeah |
| 15:10.17 | Chosi | squeeze = testing |
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| 15:10.32 | cusco_ | hi |
| 15:10.34 | Diytto | So uh, my java runtime is failing i think. In the browser if there is a java piece it does not appear at all |
| 15:10.34 | tokam | :'( I do not know what to do. The dpkg (irc) output is different from your pastebin xyan and your pastebin is not readable 100% |
| 15:10.37 | cjae | testing = ubuntu stable? |
| 15:11.10 | tokam | I think aptitude build-dep sudo was wrong, but I am not sure what I do. I worked now on an other linux problem 2 days. But now I have this sudo problem =( |
| 15:11.31 | tokam | (16:02:16) dpkg: i haven't a clue |
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| 15:12.18 | cjae | suppose I could try squeeze in VM |
| 15:12.39 | cjae | since there are no security updates for it |
| 15:13.04 | tokam | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us maybe :) |
| 15:14.12 | thewanderer1 | cjae: afaik, every Ubuntu release is based on Debian Unstable, but the packages are taken, frozen, polished up and rebranded every release... |
| 15:14.14 | donatilo | it seems like /usr/local/lib had an older version of libxml while /usr/lib had the new ones, i removed the old ones from /usr/local/lib and linked the ones in /usr/lib and now i have apache and php running with no problems, anyone knows why did that happen? |
| 15:14.39 | valdyn | donatilo: we cannot know why you installed that stuff in /usr/local |
| 15:14.52 | Diytto | Can anyone help me to get the jre to work? |
| 15:15.00 | cjae | is separate x screens archaic? or just not ready in kde or not going to be supported at all |
| 15:15.23 | cjae | not many seem to do it anymore |
| 15:15.34 | donatilo | valdyn: but i really did not install it. i am using apt to install apache/php and mysql. thanks anyways |
| 15:15.40 | Diytto | :< |
| 15:15.40 | thewanderer1 | cjae: KDE should support it rather well, provided that you configure it with Xinerama |
| 15:15.46 | valdyn | donatilo: someone installed it. |
| 15:16.05 | valdyn | donatilo: and thats not debian, debian never puts anything into /usr/local |
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| 15:16.16 | cjae | thewanderer1: thats not really the same thing though right |
| 15:16.31 | tokam | is compiling now without fakeroot like in the pastebin. |
| 15:16.35 | donatilo | valdyn: hmmm,, so you are 100% sure that this was done by someone? |
| 15:16.40 | thewanderer1 | cjae: I don't know what you want to call multiple screens, but whatever that is, it is surely achievable |
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| 15:17.21 | cjae | thewanderer1: dual head independent of each other |
| 15:17.26 | valdyn | cjae: you are talking about multiple X screens like :0.0 and :0.1 ? |
| 15:17.42 | thewanderer1 | running one big display composed of several monitors is something I have done, while running one desktop per monitor - no, but it is possible to do |
| 15:17.45 | donatilo | valdyn: thank you |
| 15:18.21 | cjae | thewanderer1: one big display always screws things up for me |
| 15:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell donatilo -about apt-file |
| 15:18.42 | Diytto | Can someone help me with getting my jre to work? |
| 15:18.45 | valdyn | cjae: that works, fine, im not sure if session saving is supported, but it works fine anyway |
| 15:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | donatilo, 100% sure, it's against policy. But you can also check yourself... with apt-file search /usr/local/ |
| 15:19.19 | tokam | sudo works now :) |
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| 15:19.25 | cjae | valdyn: are you using kde? |
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| 15:19.35 | valdyn | cjae: it does not depend on kde... |
| 15:19.43 | aja | how do you install an ssh server without pulling in X? |
| 15:20.27 | valdyn | aja: why would I care? |
| 15:20.54 | valdyn | aja: *that* tight on diskspace? |
| 15:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell aja -about recommends |
| 15:21.09 | cjae | valdyn: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=129714 this is what happens to me ever since trying to use it on kde 4.0 + |
| 15:21.37 | cjae | valdyn: maybe its the way ubuntu does xorg? |
| 15:21.41 | aja | valdyn: You could express your not caring by simply saying nothing. And I wasn't asking for your approval of what I was trying to do, merely how to do it. |
| 15:21.44 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. |
| 15:21.56 | valdyn | cjae: thats ok, it does not look like an error |
| 15:22.22 | valdyn | cjae: its an independent display, why would it be anything but black? |
| 15:22.45 | valdyn | cjae: start a WM on it or a panel or set the background or whatever |
| 15:22.59 | cjae | valdyn: doesnt work |
| 15:23.11 | valdyn | !doesnt work |
| 15:23.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 15:23.12 | cjae | thats what I thought at first |
| 15:23.35 | cjae | lol |
| 15:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, recommends is a dpkg command... I always fall for that |
| 15:24.14 | aja | !tell aja about depends |
| 15:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell aja -about apt-recommends |
| 15:24.36 | cjae | valdyn: I am sure ppl who took the time to post that also tried to put a panel on it |
| 15:24.39 | valdyn | cjae: start any X program on that 2nd screen, easy as that |
| 15:24.48 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, there we go. Many thanks. |
| 15:24.50 | valdyn | cjae: im sure i see only 2 posts |
| 15:24.52 | evilgeenius | My down key has broken on my keyboard... but I need to press down on the boot menu so I can boot into Windows, how can i easily get around this unntile i fix my keyboard? |
| 15:24.58 | donatilo | CutMeOwnThroat: i did not know apt-file existed, thanks a lot.i appreciate it |
| 15:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | aja, you can "/msg dpkg somefactoid" ... all the ones in <allfactoid> like brackets |
| 15:25.07 | valdyn | cjae: and they are short and dont look like they did *any* research |
| 15:25.35 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: Again, thanks. Sorry for the spam. |
| 15:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
| 15:25.53 | cjae | I think it the way randr is handled in kde |
| 15:25.56 | valdyn | cjae: go to the first screen: run "DISPLAY=:0.1 xterm", see what you get |
| 15:26.57 | cjae | cant open |
| 15:26.57 | Diytto | Can anyone help me with getting java 1.6 runtime enviroment to work? |
| 15:27.20 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: Yep, that works a treat. It seemed odd to me that it was so insistent on having X. |
| 15:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | aja, sorry for the wrong factoid at first |
| 15:27.28 | valdyn | cjae: full error, always |
| 15:27.36 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: No worries, thanks for the help. |
| 15:27.36 | valdyn | cjae: show your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | aja, it's xauth that pulls it in, which makes a lot of sense to have for most users |
| 15:27.57 | cahoot | evilgeenius: make the second entry 'default' use uparrow when needed? |
| 15:27.59 | aja | CutMeOwnThroat: agreed. |
| 15:30.14 | Diytto | !java |
| 15:30.15 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:31.04 | cjae | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/BPJd0wuJ |
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| 15:33.34 | valdyn | cjae: that doesnt seem to match the stuff on the nvidia forum |
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| 15:36.35 | cjae | valdyn: um not my post just an example not using nvidia now have asus board with onboard ati till I get $ for nvidia card |
| 15:36.36 | valdyn | cjae: I can see that both monitors are found, but only one screen is configured |
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| 15:37.09 | valdyn | cjae: while on the nv forum post both monitors had a mouse cursor, so 2 screens must have been configured |
| 15:38.05 | cjae | valdyn: I have mine setp as one right now since that is the only way I can use my tv afaik |
| 15:38.28 | cjae | with one *big* screen |
| 15:38.40 | valdyn | cjae: thats not useful for debugging this |
| 15:38.56 | valdyn | cjae: *sure* you also had no DISPLAY :0.1 when its used as one big screen |
| 15:38.58 | cjae | I can switch and repost log |
| 15:39.17 | valdyn | cjae: try the xterm example from above first |
| 15:39.26 | valdyn | cjae: it ought to work when you have 2 screens |
| 15:39.42 | valdyn | cjae: screens as in 2 independent X display, X calls those screens.. |
| 15:40.11 | cjae | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.1 |
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| 15:40.22 | valdyn | cjae: now i need the log |
| 15:40.26 | OperaFan | Hi, some of my clients can no longer connect to my dovecot IMAP server. I have switched on logging and see this: =192.168.1.14, lip=192.168.1.6, TLS handshaking: SSL_accept() failed: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
| 15:40.41 | OperaFan | Any idea what this means? |
| 15:41.27 | Diytto | How do i check if a package is installed |
| 15:41.28 | valdyn | cjae: the nvidia guy is probably telling the right thing on that forum, but it wouldnt matter, you dont need support from kde to work with this |
| 15:42.42 | valdyn | cjae: also, i wonder if fglrx do or dont support latest xrandr, which would enable you to do this live |
| 15:43.03 | cjae | http://pastebin.com/aHAaZvGX |
| 15:43.13 | Diytto | :< |
| 15:43.19 | Diytto | I feel ignored |
| 15:43.52 | faheem | Diytto: aww. dpkg -l packagename |
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| 15:44.06 | cjae | hands soother just kidding, I am very grateful for help here |
| 15:44.22 | Diytto | Thanks :) |
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| 15:45.37 | Diytto | Does anyone have any idea on how to get the jre to run on my ppc |
| 15:45.59 | valdyn | cjae: the config file please |
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| 15:46.08 | cjae | valdyn: for awhile I thought it was because ubuntu is trying from what I understand to get away from xorg |
| 15:46.18 | cjae | valdyn: ^^ |
| 15:46.21 | valdyn | cjae: no, thats unrelated |
| 15:46.33 | cjae | http://pastebin.com/aHAaZvGX |
| 15:46.37 | valdyn | cjae: and ubuntu is not moving away from Xorg |
| 15:47.21 | cjae | wayland |
| 15:47.34 | Diytto | What is the repository for icedtea6-plugin? |
| 15:47.39 | valdyn | cjae: the config file please, not the log |
| 15:47.40 | cjae | but I mean from having to configure xorg by hand |
| 15:47.45 | cjae | oh sorry |
| 15:47.47 | valdyn | cjae: thats 4 years off, them moving to wayland |
| 15:48.17 | valdyn | cjae: im not very familiar with xrandr, you can try and see what "xrandr --auto" does |
| 15:48.52 | Diytto | !icedtea6 |
| 15:48.58 | Diytto | :O |
| 15:49.05 | Diytto | !icedtea |
| 15:49.05 | dpkg | IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin, packaged for Debian as icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) and icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze). http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
| 15:49.26 | Diytto | AHA |
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| 15:49.56 | cjae | valdyn: sorry what config file? I have animals here driving me nuts and try to get someone else to put them out |
| 15:50.02 | Diytto | :o |
| 15:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason konversation's auto-join is lagging my authentication and preventing me from joining #debian when I reconnect. |
| 15:50.33 | valdyn | cjae: how are you configuring your X to run on 2 screens? in xorg.conf? |
| 15:50.33 | Diytto | What does it mean when it says: No candidate version found for <package> |
| 15:50.56 | MrTorque | hi! Is it possible to set a proxy setting system-wide? So every traffic goes over the proxy? |
| 15:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: What release? |
| 15:51.08 | Diytto | What debian release? |
| 15:51.10 | cjae | valdyn: ati catalyst |
| 15:51.13 | Diytto | Im on lenny |
| 15:51.28 | valdyn | cjae: the ati graphical user interface? |
| 15:51.44 | cjae | valdyn: I believe thats what it still configures thou |
| 15:51.44 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: In that case, I would suspect that you are missing a repository. Pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:51.46 | cjae | yes |
| 15:51.48 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: I feel like i am missing a source.. |
| 15:51.51 | Diytto | Oh ok lol |
| 15:52.06 | valdyn | cjae: i dont get what you are doing, are you expecting the 2nd display to work magically? |
| 15:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, best way! |
| 15:52.51 | cjae | valdyn: Cant stop laughing |
| 15:53.10 | cjae | is trying to get a grip |
| 15:53.31 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: http://pastie.org/1277278 |
| 15:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it does... you just need to increase the size of the virtual desktop... the rest can be done with xrandr-frontends |
| 15:54.06 | valdyn | and all the time i assumed this was *somehow* related to the post at nvnews |
| 15:54.22 | valdyn | but theres like no commonality except that both issues involve 2 monitors |
| 15:54.33 | valdyn | different config method, different proprietary driver etc |
| 15:54.49 | valdyn | maybe youre not even using kde4 like that guy |
| 15:55.00 | cjae | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/fqvcfqy5 |
| 15:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: What package were you trying to install, and what was missing? You have main, and contrib, but not non-free. |
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| 15:55.23 | Diytto | I HAD non-free |
| 15:55.49 | Diytto | It was icedtea-cgjplugin or something like that |
| 15:56.10 | cjae | valdyn: I was using that post as an example to not try to have to explain whats going on its not just me its happening to |
| 15:56.28 | valdyn | cjae: you have 2 screens set up, but only one Screen in your Server Layout |
| 15:56.51 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: Whats the non-free source? |
| 15:56.51 | valdyn | cjae: now i could probably walk you through fixing that config file, but it might be better to just use xrandr |
| 15:57.09 | cjae | valdyn: it has been like this for several releases now |
| 15:57.27 | cjae | valdyn: krandr does nothing |
| 15:57.58 | valdyn | cjae: have you tried "xrandr --auto" ? |
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| 15:59.21 | cjae | would it help if xrandr was even installed |
| 15:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: just add non-free to the end of your existing source lines, after contrib. |
| 15:59.27 | cjae | ^&^()*&)( |
| 16:00.17 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: Do i need a contrib on the end of the other one? |
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| 16:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | contrib and non-free are valid for volitile and backports, but unless you're after something specific you don't need it. |
| 16:01.27 | Diytto | Ok |
| 16:01.30 | cjae | valdyn: didnt do anything |
| 16:03.17 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: It still cant find the package? |
| 16:03.53 | Diytto | icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 16:04.01 | cjae | valdyn: also awhile back I tried an xorg.conf based on this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456 but with modifications and got the same black screen on tv |
| 16:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | cjae, can you summarize on what you did, what works/doessn't I'm too lazy to read all that backlog |
| 16:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: Are you sure it's an available debian package? Perhaps the debian package has a different name? |
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| 16:04.51 | Diytto | Uhmmm |
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| 16:04.56 | Diytto | !java |
| 16:04.57 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:05.09 | Diytto | !icedtea |
| 16:05.10 | dpkg | IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin, packaged for Debian as icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) and icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze). http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
| 16:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Diytto -about selftell |
| 16:05.21 | Diytto | Yea its debian |
| 16:05.26 | valdyn | cjae: run "aticonfig --list-pairmode" |
| 16:05.42 | Diytto | CutMeOwnThroat: Thx |
| 16:05.58 | valdyn | cjae: or run also "aticonfig --enable-monitor=auto,auto |
| 16:06.06 | cjae | CutMeOwnThroat: Been trying to get seperate independent xscreens (dual head) working |
| 16:06.15 | cjae | valdyn: Error: pair mode is not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled! |
| 16:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "separate" mean? |
| 16:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | two X servers? ... sounds impractical and as if it can't work if this is on the same graphics card |
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| 16:07.15 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: 2 X screens |
| 16:07.27 | cjae | CutMeOwnThroat: monitor one does not care about monitor two except for mouse |
| 16:07.38 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: thats what you get when you dont use Xinerama or equivalent but 2 plain X screens |
| 16:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceddtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 16:07.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'iceddtea-gcjwebplugin' was found in i386. |
| 16:07.52 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
| 16:08.04 | valdyn | cjae: your mouse on the 2nd head works now? |
| 16:09.00 | cjae | valdyn: ticonfig --enable-monitor=auto,auto Error: option --enable-monitor is not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled! |
| 16:09.14 | valdyn | cjae: ok, so do all this with xrandr |
| 16:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: I seem to be able to find it. |
| 16:09.34 | Diytto | :< |
| 16:09.36 | cjae | valdyn: it works just fine with one big screen |
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| 16:10.01 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: Could it be because i have a ppc? |
| 16:10.12 | Quintin | Is anyone here good with wolframalpha?? they seemed to have changed something because I can't get the info I want from it |
| 16:10.30 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: I suppose it could be, but it's interesting that judd can't find it either. |
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| 16:10.55 | cjae | valdyn: pm? |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn | cjae: nah |
| 16:11.02 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: This could be something to do with policies too, I don't know anything about them. |
| 16:11.05 | Diytto | !tell me about judd |
| 16:11.13 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: Oh :/ |
| 16:11.24 | Diytto | I really want that package so i can use the jre |
| 16:11.26 | cjae | valdyn: ok well I dont know what you mean by do all this with xrandr |
| 16:12.02 | valdyn | cjae: i thought your 2nd monitor was off, but it isnt? |
| 16:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: You could try contacting pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org and ask if it's been packaged for ppc. |
| 16:12.19 | Diytto | Alright. |
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| 16:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org |
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| 16:13.56 | qq- | Diytto, see on pdo |
| 16:14.19 | Diytto | What is pdo |
| 16:14.20 | qq- | jhutchins_lt, maybe it's in icedtea6-plugin |
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| 16:14.34 | qq- | Diytto, ask dpkg |
| 16:14.53 | cjae | valdyn: It is currently set up as multi-display desktop with displays two is what the ati gui things says |
| 16:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | qq-: We did, dpkg lists it as available, as does my aptitude, but judd can't find it. |
| 16:15.43 | cjae | valdyn: but you can drag windows from one screen to the other which means it is one big display right? |
| 16:15.45 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.50 | valdyn | cjae: can you disable the 2nd screen again? |
| 16:15.56 | valdyn | cjae: yea |
| 16:16.57 | cjae | valdyn: ok monitor only |
| 16:17.07 | qq- | , versions icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 16:17.08 | judd | Package icedtea-gcjwebplugin on i386 -- lenny: 1.0+dak1-1 |
| 16:17.21 | qq- | jhutchins_lt, ^^ |
| 16:17.27 | valdyn | cjae: what does xrandr --auto do now? nothing? |
| 16:17.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceddtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 16:17.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'iceddtea-gcjwebplugin' was found in i386. |
| 16:17.56 | qq- | jhutchins_lt, maybe skip one -d |
| 16:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | Ach, extra d. |
| 16:18.07 | cjae | valdyn: ok now its cloned |
| 16:18.27 | Diytto | ,versions icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 16:18.27 | judd | Package icedtea-gcjwebplugin on i386 -- lenny: 1.0+dak1-1 |
| 16:18.39 | valdyn | cjae: interesting, but not what you want |
| 16:18.44 | Diytto | Oic |
| 16:18.46 | cjae | valdyn: right |
| 16:18.47 | qq- | Diytto, we just done that , no more needs |
| 16:18.51 | valdyn | cjae: i cant figure how to add a 2nd X screen from the xrandr docs |
| 16:18.52 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icedtea-gcjwebplugin -arch ppc |
| 16:18.53 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 16:18.56 | Diytto | Sorry :p |
| 16:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icedtea-gcjwebplugin --arch ppc |
| 16:19.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'icedtea-gcjwebplugin' was found in ppc. |
| 16:19.20 | Diytto | :'( |
| 16:19.41 | cjae | valdyn: it is because xinerama (I think is what it is called) is ok until programs try setting things in full screen |
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| 16:19.55 | valdyn | cjae: aye |
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| 16:20.20 | Diytto | So i cant get icedtea-cgjwebplugin for my ppc |
| 16:20.29 | cjae | valdyn: then its half on each screen, and with two panel what is the sense of drag between screens? |
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| 16:21.21 | qq- | ,versions icedtea6-plugin --arch ppc |
| 16:21.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'icedtea6-plugin' was found in ppc. |
| 16:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: No, it just means you have to build it yourself. |
| 16:21.34 | cjae | valdyn: and I dont even know what clone is for, guess it has its uses but to be default setting? |
| 16:21.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Diytto about ssb |
| 16:22.02 | valdyn | cjae: its an ok default because it cannot break anything |
| 16:22.55 | Diytto | Ah |
| 16:22.58 | cjae | I see |
| 16:23.10 | Chosi | can anyone help me with netconsole? |
| 16:23.16 | Chosi | it seems to be broken, not accepting my arguments |
| 16:23.51 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: Im confused with the dpkg msg... Can you help me in a bit to do all that? |
| 16:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly, though I have some non-computer stuff that I have to do too. |
| 16:25.06 | Diytto | Ah ok |
| 16:25.18 | cjae | valdyn: is there some way that I can call programs to that try to run in full screen to just use a *half*? |
| 16:25.47 | cjae | which is not optimal but would work |
| 16:26.18 | Diytto | jhutchins_lt: What is the deb source line to add? |
| 16:26.20 | valdyn | cjae: that would be the job of your window manager |
| 16:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps you could get some help from the maintainer group (above) or on the debian ppc maintenance list. You wouldn't be porting from sid but from lenny i386, and I don't know what crosporting for ppc involves. |
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| 16:27.00 | Diytto | Where is tue debian ppc maintenance list |
| 16:27.11 | Cat2008 | Hi, again! |
| 16:27.14 | valdyn | cjae: it looks to me like the 2nd X Screen can only be added from your xorg.conf |
| 16:27.26 | valdyn | cjae: and xrandr can refer to but not open X screens |
| 16:28.24 | valdyn | cjae: your xorg.conf however only opens one huge X screen while you want 2 |
| 16:28.25 | Diytto | Hey Cat2008 :) |
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| 16:28.36 | Cat2008 | Hey) |
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| 16:28.57 | cjae | valdyn: which I have tried to edit by hand and get the black screen with mouse only, used to keep a version in someones hotmail account so I could just paste it in and be happy |
| 16:28.59 | Cat2008 | Can you help me with upgrading Lenny to Sid? |
| 16:29.10 | Chosi | the intarwebs can |
| 16:29.14 | cjae | valdyn: yes two screens that only share the mouse |
| 16:29.39 | Chosi | lenny TO sid upgrade |
| 16:29.43 | Chosi | very interesting :p |
| 16:29.58 | Chosi | Cat2008: do you want to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 16:30.03 | valdyn | cjae: you can fix your own xorg.conf anyway |
| 16:30.37 | cjae | valdyn: its been two years since I ve done it |
| 16:30.38 | valdyn | cjae: you need 2 screen sections, both screen sections should refer to different monitors, and both screens need to be listed in ServerLayout |
| 16:30.41 | dougmencken | eh, I built gcc with --disable-browser-plugin, so I have gcj, but not that plugin |
| 16:30.42 | Cat2008 | Chosi: i just wanna have 2.31 kernel |
| 16:30.45 | Chosi | oh well |
| 16:30.48 | Chosi | you sure? :) |
| 16:30.53 | Cat2008 | yep |
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| 16:30.57 | cjae | valdyn: but I dont think it works |
| 16:31.01 | Cat2008 | really HAVE) |
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| 16:31.20 | Chosi | well, replace lenny with sid in your sources list |
| 16:31.23 | cjae | valdyn: one sec ill see if I still have that xorg.conf |
| 16:31.23 | valdyn | cjae: i dont really know if it works with ATI, but i see no reason why it would not |
| 16:31.50 | qq- | Cat2008, what's ' 2.31 ' maybe 2.6.36 ? |
| 16:32.03 | dougmencken | Diytto: all I know is that here is #debianppc channel |
| 16:32.04 | cjae | valdyn: ya I think xorg.conf is generic except for driver section afaik |
| 16:32.09 | qq- | . kernels |
| 16:32.18 | Diytto | REALLY |
| 16:32.19 | qq- | ,kernels |
| 16:32.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 16:32.26 | cjae | valdyn: fglrx, nv, etc... |
| 16:32.42 | Cat2008 | yep) |
| 16:32.52 | cjae | valdyn: not so sure about modules that it loads thou |
| 16:32.53 | Cat2008 | 2.6.31xx |
| 16:33.25 | Chosi | Cat2008: what about squeeze, .32 should be fine too, right? |
| 16:33.45 | valdyn | cjae: modules section is redundant |
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| 16:34.02 | cjae | valdyn: so why is it there? |
| 16:34.09 | valdyn | cjae: no idea |
| 16:34.13 | cjae | oh |
| 16:34.50 | qq- | Chosi, no .32 is in backports for lenny |
| 16:35.19 | Cat2008 | Chosi: right |
| 16:35.31 | Chosi | see |
| 16:35.35 | Cat2008 | I just have to use ext4 |
| 16:35.38 | Chosi | not even need to go squeeze |
| 16:35.57 | Chosi | btw again, anyone using netconsole? |
| 16:36.02 | mrmcgibby | is it possible to download source code for something like Qt in such a way that the gdb will see it? |
| 16:36.14 | cjae | valdyn: do you think this would be an issue on debian? I mean would I hit the same stumbling block? |
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| 16:36.39 | cjae | valdyn: as this worked fine in versions prior to 8.04 of ubuntu |
| 16:37.07 | cjae | is thinking about moving to pcbsd |
| 16:37.51 | qq- | Cat2008, it's a new install ? |
| 16:39.03 | Cat2008 | no |
| 16:39.10 | Cat2008 | very old install |
| 16:39.42 | qq- | so install lenny-backports kernel |
| 16:39.51 | qq- | !lenny-backports |
| 16:39.51 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 16:41.28 | valdyn | cjae: this could be worth a try as your config: http://pastebin.com/TFHteiWg |
| 16:41.43 | valdyn | cjae: but beware, im not sure your X will start, its not tried |
| 16:42.09 | cjae | valdyn: will try in VM first thanks |
| 16:42.49 | valdyn | cjae: and i might have reversed the monitors, didnt look that up |
| 16:42.58 | valdyn | cjae: you can fix that yourself though |
| 16:43.12 | valdyn | cjae: see the Monitor in each screen section |
| 16:43.31 | cjae | valdyn: is there another way to do this, to test, without VM |
| 16:43.49 | cjae | valdyn: will it even work in VM |
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| 16:44.08 | valdyn | cjae: your vm has no fglrx |
| 16:44.33 | valdyn | cjae: you can revert from console.. |
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| 16:48.10 | Diytto | How do i create a gzip or .tar.gz from a directory? |
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| 16:48.41 | flypp | gzip -czvf file.tar.gz directory |
| 16:48.56 | flypp | -c -> create |
| 16:49.19 | Diytto | Sweet thx |
| 16:49.33 | cjae | valdyn: thanks for your help, do you care to know if it works or not? |
| 16:50.03 | valdyn | cjae: sure, let me know |
| 16:50.36 | Diytto | flypp: Tar or gzip? |
| 16:51.08 | flypp | than sequence creates a tar file compressed throught gzip (-z) |
| 16:51.38 | flypp | if you just want to make a tar file (not gzip) tar -cvf file.tar directory |
| 16:51.39 | vtts | tar zcf file.tgz dir |
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| 16:53.48 | Diytto | Got it! |
| 16:53.49 | Diytto | :) |
| 16:55.44 | poisonbit | rtfm is deprecated, debian should come with irsii in base install to read the documentation :) |
| 16:56.22 | jordanm | ircbots.debian.net |
| 16:57.50 | Diytto | Nice |
| 16:58.55 | flypp | poisonbit, xD |
| 17:00.21 | poisonbit | just kidding, helpful people++ |
| 17:01.15 | Kuifje111 | how do you delete an IP from ssh "last" log? |
| 17:01.39 | poisonbit | do you mean from auth.log? or from "last -x" ? |
| 17:02.24 | stew | or from known_hosts |
| 17:02.33 | poisonbit | something like: sed '/127.0.0.1/d' auth.log ? |
| 17:03.03 | bzrk | sed -i |
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| 17:04.24 | Big_Brother | Anyone know how to re-align a terminal's output? mine is missing a column on the left. |
| 17:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | flypp: gzip does not create tar's. |
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| 17:04.51 | flypp | i know |
| 17:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | tar -czvf <file> creates gzipped tars. |
| 17:05.13 | at0m | Big_Brother: reset ? |
| 17:05.16 | jhutchins_lt | tar -cjvf <file> creates bzipped tars. |
| 17:05.22 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: ok, thanks. |
| 17:05.26 | flypp | that's exactly what I posted a bit above |
| 17:05.38 | Big_Brother | At0m, it's been like this since install. |
| 17:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | Big_Brother: xvidtune, run in a console window on the GUI desktop, will allow you to adjust it and create a modeline for xorgconf |
| 17:06.32 | Big_Brother | It's just a terminal- no desktop GUI. |
| 17:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means the text console, not a terminal under x |
| 17:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 17:07.01 | at0m | Big_Brother: ah then /etc/bash.bashrc if you use bash... |
| 17:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Big_Brother, that's usually called "console", I think... and you probably just twiddle the little wheel on the monitor |
| 17:07.17 | Big_Brother | Wheel? |
| 17:07.28 | at0m | CutMeOwnThroat: like the display is offset? |
| 17:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or push some buttons... |
| 17:07.39 | at0m | ye possibly |
| 17:07.47 | bzrk | Big_Brother: try auto configuration if you have an lcd display |
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| 17:08.09 | bzrk | ptherwise set vertical alignment |
| 17:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not impossible to change around stuff from the software-side, but so much easier to just adjust it at the monitor |
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| 17:08.31 | gps23 | hi |
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| 17:08.43 | Tekk_ | my SD card isn't being picked up by my squeeze install |
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| 17:09.00 | Tekk_ | it worked fine on trisquel(fully free ubuntu, karmic based in that case) |
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| 17:09.20 | OperaFan | Anyone familiar with this SSL error? TLS handshaking: SSL_accept() failed: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number |
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| 17:09.44 | OperaFan | I'm seeing it when a IMAP client tries to connect, and it refuses to. |
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| 17:10.13 | delby | hi. can anyone refer me to a good apache/debian guide? tried google but could not find one that is good enough. |
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| 17:10.29 | Big_Brother | Bzrk: thanks. |
| 17:10.46 | Big_Brother | Now onto console/terminal resolution if possible. :D |
| 17:10.49 | rahsputin | what package does the Command: $ whereis belong to |
| 17:11.04 | Tekk_ | rahsputin: I'd guess coreutils |
| 17:11.26 | rahsputin | thanx |
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| 17:11.28 | Tekk_ | I know the card itself is fine because it's detected and opened by other computers |
| 17:12.06 | kwikness | does debian not have an /etc/profile.d? |
| 17:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | delby, "aptitude install apache2" - I think after that it very much depends on what _you_ want with it, so there is no tutorial... documentRoot is in /var/www |
| 17:12.19 | Tekk_ | my install has one |
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| 17:13.00 | kwikness | Tekk_, are you talking to me? |
| 17:13.43 | Tekk_ | kwikness: yes |
| 17:13.52 | delby | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. |
| 17:14.12 | kwikness | Tekk_, how would you have one and not me? |
| 17:14.22 | Tekk_ | kwikness: I'm running squeeze? |
| 17:14.23 | Kuifje111 | how do you delete an IP from ssh "last -x" log? |
| 17:14.47 | kwikness | Tekk_, oh ok |
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| 17:15.38 | kwikness | what i was trying to do was to make debian behave like slackware-- where it will pop up a fortune message every time a shell is opened |
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| 17:18.05 | gps23 | i am having problem installing nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:19.04 | kwikness | Kuifje111, Go to /var/log |
| 17:19.19 | gps23 | i get this error when i installed nfs-kernel-server: http://pastebin.com/yRMVW0mY |
| 17:19.20 | Kuifje111 | kwikness: I got it. delete /var/log/wtmp |
| 17:19.45 | crazygir | when running amd64, I'm guessing _all_ 32bit libs go in one place.. corect? |
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| 17:20.34 | crazygir | I've had a fun time trying to ensure zmanda has the 32bit libs it wantes |
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| 17:22.56 | kwikness | Kuifje111, you made me check my own logs. it looks like i have a whole bunch of attempts from south korea to ssh into my box =\ |
| 17:23.09 | Kuifje111 | haha. |
| 17:23.13 | Kuifje111 | yeah, that's pretty normal. |
| 17:23.20 | Kuifje111 | 'normal' |
| 17:23.20 | kwikness | one of the usernames tried was "harrypotter" lmfao |
| 17:23.22 | flypp | yep |
| 17:23.30 | Kuifje111 | iinstall fail2ban |
| 17:23.43 | kwikness | what do they have a bot that just tries random IPs? |
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| 17:23.50 | Kuifje111 | yeah |
| 17:24.17 | flypp | Kuifje111, thank's for the tip |
| 17:24.41 | crazygir | kwikness: by 'normal', he means there are bots hitting nearly all of us 24/7 with ssh attempts like that |
| 17:24.54 | Kuifje111 | flypp: you're welcome |
| 17:25.00 | kwikness | crazygir, well that's comforting |
| 17:25.15 | crazygir | :) |
| 17:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, if you look at the logs, you'll often see that the source IP keeps shifting - they use botnets. |
| 17:25.48 | peterrooney | i just moved my port off 22. tired of denyhosts entries filling my hosts.* files |
| 17:25.58 | crazygir | running aon anotherport is the hackisk fix, using somethinglike fail2ban ora better filtering like pf will solve it right quick :) |
| 17:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | fail2ban or iptables throttling usually discourage the bots. |
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| 17:26.49 | kwikness | i'll bet kim jong-il is behind this! |
| 17:27.01 | crazygir | that would be n.korea ;) |
| 17:27.46 | rahsputin | i just intsalled coreutils but still no $ whereis |
| 17:27.51 | kwikness | kim jong-il representing in stunna shades: http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/KimJongIl-Fashion-Icon.jpg |
| 17:28.07 | Death4Li1e | rahsputin: it's in util-linux |
| 17:28.15 | Death4Li1e | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=whereis < see? |
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| 17:28.37 | rahsputin | ahh, thanx |
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| 17:39.11 | Tekk_ | hey I just got a palm tungsten, has anyone had luck putting debian on it? |
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| 18:11.09 | deepy | xargs: etags: No such file or directory |
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| 18:12.27 | epeen | how would i raise the resolution of a console (text-only) ? |
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| 18:13.14 | deepy | How would I solve the issue I'm having? |
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| 18:14.01 | fryguy | deepy: install etags? |
| 18:14.09 | anelevoli | Greetings everyone. I'm using Debian Squeeze with XFCE 4.6.2. Lately (in the past weeks) I've encountered a problem: whenever I try to unmount a USB flash disk I get this error: "Failed to unmount "4G Removable Volume". Cannot remove directory.", even if I do it from a thunar with root privileges. If I do "sudo umount /dev/sdc", everything is okay. How can I fix it? |
| 18:14.35 | deepy | Is it in the debian repos? I cannot find it in squeeze |
| 18:15.01 | fryguy | deepy: it's probably part of ctags |
| 18:15.41 | stieltje | trying to install a printer, via USB cable, been reading a few howtos, but they seem very old, and outdated |
| 18:15.55 | deepy | exuberant-ctags? |
| 18:16.02 | fryguy | deepy: sure |
| 18:16.19 | stieltje | any pointers would be great |
| 18:16.25 | deepy | stieltje: 0x014 |
| 18:16.28 | deepy | ducks |
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| 18:16.53 | stieltje | lol |
| 18:17.04 | stieltje | never heard THAT one before ;) |
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| 18:17.38 | deepy | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for etags. |
| 18:17.39 | deepy | wiee |
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| 18:21.04 | martian67 | hi, when a backport is too old what is the best method of installing a newer version? |
| 18:21.43 | Tekk_ | source |
| 18:22.45 | martian67 | what about installing sid packages? |
| 18:23.03 | martian67 | is there a way to do that and keep everything "sane" ? |
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| 18:23.07 | Tekk_ | doubt it |
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| 18:24.39 | cmdbbq | i am having a problem with apt-get trying to update on debian stable. the problems are encountered when processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386.deb and then it says dpkg exited with an error code of 1 it also claims perl may be unconfigured and that it cannot find Tie/Hash.pm. the system was unbootable because of disk errors, i used sysrestorecd to run fdisk and fix the errors. i am now muddeling through fixing wha |
| 18:25.08 | macrobat | martian67: make your own .deb http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 18:26.10 | HTT-Bird | cmdbbq, your message was truncated. |
| 18:26.11 | Tekk_ | and then submit it :P |
| 18:26.18 | Tuxiscool | Hi; would anyone be able to give any insight as to how difficult it would be to port dpkg to windows? |
| 18:26.35 | martian67 | Tekk_, not interested in the bureacracy waltz :p |
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| 18:27.28 | fryguy | Tuxiscool: cygwin already has big chunks of it, doesn't it |
| 18:27.45 | cmdbbq | i found a guide to a similar probolem that solves it by removing the offending packages, which in my case are perl and libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386, but i am reluctant to remove c libraries. should it be possible to reverse it if i try uninstall and reinstall perl? |
| 18:28.01 | Tuxiscool | fryguy: I have no idea...if it's already been done then that's fantastic. |
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| 18:28.15 | Tekk_ | martian67: eh, fine :P |
| 18:28.30 | Tuxiscool | fryguy: In which case, would you know which 'chunks' it's missing? :) |
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| 18:28.44 | fryguy | Tuxiscool: no idea, just go look at the documentation for it in cygwin |
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| 18:29.07 | anelevoli | Found a guy with a same problem on xubuntu: http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559584 . Means it might be a common XFCE 4.6.2, rising under some certain circumstances. |
| 18:30.32 | cmdbbq | HTT-Bird: why? how long of a question can i ask? I want to provide relvant details |
| 18:31.11 | HTT-Bird | cmdbbq, your question was truncated at "i am now muddleing through fixing wh" |
| 18:31.22 | cmdbbq | a, ok |
| 18:31.56 | cmdbbq | the rest read: what appear to be dependancy issues and missing links. can anyone help? |
| 18:31.59 | martian67 | macrobat, ok, another question, what happens if i need a newer version of a library thats already installed to build something? |
| 18:32.23 | martian67 | can i create a lib version JUST for that package without any manual compiling LD_PRELOAD hackery? |
| 18:33.07 | martian67 | because that sucks, and i really want to avoid it if i can |
| 18:33.29 | cmdbbq | i have found other people with this problem with different packages, but they all seem to solve it by removing and reinstalling packages. i am hesitant to do this, especially with libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386 which has the sound of something very important |
| 18:34.06 | macrobat | things that depend on a lib being a certain version will break if you upgrade that lib, i suppose |
| 18:34.46 | cmdbbq | macrobat: i am worried that, if i remove it, things that depend on the lib will cease to function. is my thinking correct? |
| 18:35.05 | macrobat | i guess so |
| 18:35.15 | martian67 | macrobat, but it IS possible to have concurrent versions of a library |
| 18:35.33 | martian67 | ive done it before, im just wondering if there is a debian "sanctioned" process for doing so |
| 18:35.35 | macrobat | wait for squeeze release |
| 18:35.41 | martian67 | i dont want to do it manually |
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| 18:40.47 | deepy | How is entries in etc/init.d generated? |
| 18:40.52 | deepy | I have presumably the soure for a deb |
| 18:41.28 | karlpinc | deepy: If you've the source deb presumably you un-ar it and it's in there somewhere. |
| 18:41.48 | deepy | found it |
| 18:42.06 | cmdbbq | ok, so i tried to configure libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386 and it said libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386 was not installed so i tried to install with apt-get and ap-get finds no package named libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386 so i grabbed the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/uk/lenny/i386/libc6/download and ran dpkg -i and it failed with the same error about perl |
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| 18:42.52 | cmdbbq | ldconfig returns no errors, but dpkg continues to complain about perl. safe to remove perl? |
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| 18:43.57 | macrobat | ,versions libc6 |
| 18:43.58 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7; squeeze: 2.11.2-7 |
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| 18:45.04 | Magui | hi, all. I've been out of the country for about 5 weeks. I just did an aptitude safe-upgrade a couple of hours ago, and now I can't get X to run. gives an error message saying that it can't load the module nvidia.ko because it can't find it. the location it gives is /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/updates/dkms. the problem is that I can see that the module actually IS there. it was built and installed by dkms, and running "dkms status" al |
| 18:45.05 | Magui | so shows that the nvidia module is installed. I can't figure out what the problem is. |
| 18:45.42 | Magui | by the way, I'm running debian unstable, kde 4.4.5, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 18:45.57 | Magui | using proprietary nvidia driver |
| 18:46.04 | martian67 | macrobat, after a package is built, how do i remove build-deps? |
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| 18:46.28 | Magui | is there an easy fix for this? I'm hoping somebody else here has run into this. |
| 18:46.55 | leafwiz | Hey, i'm having some issues with filesystem access. /usr/lib/cgi-bin <-- drwxrwxr-x 2 root www-data 4.0K 2010-09-08 13:54 . , the user leafwiz is part of the group: /etc/group --> www-data:x:33:torstefan |
| 18:47.01 | leafwiz | but still writing is a nogo |
| 18:47.29 | karlpinc | leafwiz: Did you login since you added yourself to the group? |
| 18:47.35 | macrobat | martian67: you look at what was installed. then aptitude purge. look in the logs if you dont know |
| 18:47.59 | martian67 | ok, so it will purge them because its not a runtime dependancy right? |
| 18:48.01 | leafwiz | karlpinc, ah, need to relogin. can I do a manual update? |
| 18:48.10 | Magui | doing a google search hasn't been all that helpful. the most relevant thing I found is a blog post from last March, written by an ubuntu user. basically, he says you need to purge all nvidia packages, and reinstall the nvidia drivers. and you might also need to blacklist the nouveau drivers before reinstalling the nvidia ones. |
| 18:48.10 | martian67 | build-deps dont specificly select a package? |
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| 18:50.03 | karlpinc | Magui: Out of curiosity, these are the debian nvidia drivers? |
| 18:50.08 | leafwiz | karlpinc, the normal way is to close down all your programs and do a relogin when you have added yourself to a group ? |
| 18:50.17 | deepy | /usr/local/bin/ushare: error while loading shared libraries: libdlna.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:50.33 | SunDragon | I read that FreeBSD ditched block devices for reliability. Does Linux address this in some other way? |
| 18:50.37 | Magui | karlpinc: yeah! I've never downloaded/installed from the nvidia site. I've only ever used "the debian way". |
| 18:50.43 | deepy | Yet I can see /usr/local/lib/libdlna.so.0 -> libdlna.so.0.3.0 and the 0.3.0 one exists |
| 18:51.00 | Magui | karlpinc: though it seems "the debian way" has been changed the last few months, to make use of dkms. which worked fine until today. |
| 18:51.08 | karlpinc | Magui: You might try the bug tracking system. Or report something there. |
| 18:52.25 | Magui | karlpinc: sure. I hadn't thought of searching the bug-tracking system myself. usually, relevant errors from there show up in the google searches that I run. I'll give it a try. |
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| 18:53.31 | SunDragon | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=raw |
| 18:55.14 | SunDragon | http://kerneltrap.org/node/7563 |
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| 18:59.38 | cmdbbq | ok, i reinstalled perl and it still complains of being unconfigured, dpkg --configure says: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 i am feeling a bit lost, can anyone help? |
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| 19:05.31 | vtts | cmdbbq, try: aptitude purge perl |
| 19:06.09 | Magui | karlpinc: if you're still around, I just fixed my problem. |
| 19:07.47 | Magui | karlpinc: following your tip, I went into the google groups listing for debian's bug-tracking newsgroup, searched for nvidia, and found one recent thread where one of the posters mentions some existing bug, a conflict between the proprietary nvidia drivers and the nouveau drivers, and this poster gave the bug number. |
| 19:09.18 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: don't listen to that suggestion to purge perl |
| 19:09.31 | simonrvn | vtts: this breaks dpkg.... |
| 19:09.48 | cmdbbq | well, i am pretty sure dpkg is already proken |
| 19:09.55 | vtts | isn't it already broken |
| 19:10.00 | cmdbbq | how would i go about fixing a broken dpkg? |
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| 19:10.12 | simonrvn | it's not dpkg that's broken |
| 19:10.19 | vtts | the package is |
| 19:10.22 | Magui | karlpinc: I looked up this bug listing, and one of the posters discussing this bug said that the work-around for this bug, for now, is to blacklist the nouveau drivers. open the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf with a text editor, add the line "blacklist nouveau" (without quotes). |
| 19:10.27 | leafwiz | sudo usermod -G www-data torstefan , should not replace your existing groups right? |
| 19:10.37 | wide | It's been a while since I had to install debian, what's the current recommendation for a default filesystem? I've been using ext3 and reiserfs, with my last checks seeing ext4 and ?btfs or btrfs? as experimental still... |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | that error msg isn't helpful at all, either |
| 19:10.54 | simonrvn | pastebin the *full* output |
| 19:10.54 | Magui | karlpinc: I did that, then rebooted. X started up, as normal. I don't see any issues with it now, so I'll probably keep doing this for a while. |
| 19:11.01 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: ^^^ |
| 19:11.09 | Magui | karlpinc: thanks for the tip! |
| 19:11.14 | vtts | or something the post-install script needs, i would suggest purge'ing it and installing it also through apt-get/aptitude |
| 19:11.51 | simonrvn | don't guess, know |
| 19:13.04 | simonrvn | vtts: did you pastebin it yet? |
| 19:13.07 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/FSj06vDR |
| 19:13.12 | simonrvn | vtts: sorry |
| 19:13.52 | cmdbbq | i have already tried removing perl a couple of ways and it fails or seems to fail as perl is still there and perl -v still produces output |
| 19:14.00 | simonrvn | pretty obvious what the problem is |
| 19:14.05 | simonrvn | Can't locate Tie/Hash.pm in @INC |
| 19:14.26 | cmdbbq | yes, ok, how do i fix that? |
| 19:14.27 | vtts | needs perl-base or perl-modules |
| 19:14.29 | jhutchins | leafwiz: Correct, and you do need to log back in. |
| 19:14.35 | vtts | so use apt-get/aptitude to install |
| 19:14.49 | vtts | they will take care of dependencies |
| 19:15.03 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: your package perl-base isn't set up properly |
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| 19:15.19 | vtts | but i still would sugest purge'ing it and starting fresh |
| 19:15.22 | simonrvn | Tie/Hash.pm is in perl-base |
| 19:15.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:15.27 | cjae | valdyn: it was kde |
| 19:15.34 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: yes, it was complaiing of being unconfigured earlier but failed to configure, i will find the output |
| 19:16.11 | cjae | valdyn: fixed in 4.5.3 sort of |
| 19:16.21 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: if worse come to shove, you could unpack the .deb and cp the needed files over |
| 19:16.47 | vtts | :/ |
| 19:17.35 | vtts | simonrvn, why such a hard way? |
| 19:17.39 | macrobat | wide: ext4 has faster fsck. if you use the default lenny kernel, ext3 might be better |
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| 19:17.51 | cmdbbq | i am just hoping not to have to resort to a reinstall, since i learn nothing from a reinstall |
| 19:18.03 | simonrvn | vtts: to me that's safer bcause then dpkg thinks it's still there, even if partially so, and the deps won't get fubared |
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| 19:18.11 | simonrvn | vtts: that's not hard |
| 19:18.19 | vtts | simonrvn, it is for him |
| 19:18.19 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: you won't |
| 19:18.26 | simonrvn | not really |
| 19:18.37 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/TNvw3Yvx configuring, or failing to configure, perl |
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| 19:18.50 | vtts | or he wouldn't got into this mess and wouldn't be asking questions here |
| 19:19.15 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: does this work? dpkg -l perl-base |
| 19:19.36 | simonrvn | it's an easy, if involved, fix |
| 19:20.47 | cmdbbq | http://pastebin.com/sZsV4rGX |
| 19:21.39 | vtts | how about: ls -l /usr/share/perl/5.10.0/Tie/Hash.pm |
| 19:21.40 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: good. do dpkg -L perl-base | grep Tie, and just tell me if you get a positive result, don't bother pasteinning that |
| 19:22.05 | simonrvn | i want to see if the package db and the fs match |
| 19:22.06 | leafwiz | jhujhiti, okay thank you. Now I'm locked out of sudo. I did a sudo usermod -G www-data torstefan , any explanation why? I'm running ubuntu but I don't get an reply in there, maybe someone here knows ? my passwd, and group files : http://pastebin.com/h2RRvrjM |
| 19:22.06 | epeen | how would i change the resolution of a console ? |
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| 19:22.14 | wide | macrobat, there was some discussion with ext4 and data loss depending on writeback? or other setting, having to do with intermittent stalls vs possible data loss, has this been resolved? I always use the latest kernel available in backports... |
| 19:22.31 | cmdbbq | yes, it finds it /usr/share/perl/5.10.0/Tie/Hash.pm |
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| 19:23.53 | leafwiz | in passwd I'm still a member of group 1000 which is my installed group, and that group / user should be part of sudoers by the default install. |
| 19:23.54 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: do you have a symlink there in /usr/share/perl ? |
| 19:24.16 | macrobat | wide: there has been changes. i don't know to which extent problems have been resolved. |
| 19:24.16 | simonrvn | 5.10 -> 5.10.0 for instance? |
| 19:24.50 | simonrvn | (eliminating possible problems) |
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| 19:25.14 | peterrooney | leafwiz: since when is sudo part of the default install? |
| 19:25.23 | wide | macrobat, thanks |
| 19:25.53 | simonrvn | leafwiz: sudo isn't installed by default |
| 19:25.57 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: there are two files under /usr/share/perl and both are directories 5.10 & 5.10.0 i should have a symlink to what exactly? |
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| 19:26.22 | leafwiz | its part of the ubuntu install, I;m asking in here, since u didnt get a response in #ubuntu |
| 19:26.33 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 19:26.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:26.34 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: 5.10 -> 5.10.0 (5.10 a symlink to 5.10.0) |
| 19:26.47 | cmdbbq | ok |
| 19:26.51 | simonrvn | leafwiz: who cares, not debian, go ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:27.08 | cmdbbq | how would i check to see if something is a standard file or a symlink? |
| 19:27.17 | vtts | isn't sudo installed when you choose "no root login" option? |
| 19:27.19 | cmdbbq | for future reference |
| 19:27.20 | simonrvn | ls or readlink |
| 19:27.34 | simonrvn | vtts: no |
| 19:27.46 | crn | how do i control what gnome does when i load a dvd? |
| 19:27.51 | cmdbbq | coool |
| 19:28.25 | peterrooney | cmdbbq: also, the program "file" is useful for this |
| 19:28.55 | cmdbbq | so, i know where Tie/Hash.pm is, how do i get that to be recognized? |
| 19:29.26 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: anyway, so with ls, you see Tie/Hash.pm ? oh, wait a minute, i remember seeing this in the bts i think |
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| 19:31.31 | cmdbbq | ls | grep Hash.pm produces RefHash.pm & SubstrHash.pm |
| 19:31.46 | cmdbbq | so, no, i was mistaken |
| 19:31.58 | cmdbbq | i don't seem to have Hash.pm |
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| 19:34.32 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: when was the last time you updated? |
| 19:34.55 | cmdbbq | it has been a while, two weeks maybe? |
| 19:35.26 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 19:35.40 | vtts | cmdbbq, do you get an output from this: ls -l /usr/share/perl/5.10/Tie/Hash.pm |
| 19:35.48 | simonrvn | so, do you still have the perl-base .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 19:36.05 | simonrvn | answer vtts's q. first :) |
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| 19:37.03 | simonrvn | fyi, it's bug #475909 |
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| 19:37.13 | simonrvn | !dbugs 475909 |
| 19:37.17 | dpkg | DONE:#475909:S[perl] perl: Tie::Hash should go into perl-base (); Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:36:11 UTC [] |
| 19:37.40 | simonrvn | but it is, since that version ;) |
| 19:38.01 | simonrvn | it's only relevant for historical reasons |
| 19:38.11 | cmdbbq | vtts: no such file or directory simonrvn: no |
| 19:38.15 | krushik | xyan, CutMeOwnThroat remember me? i've got vnc to vps and downgraded udev.. haven't problems with network now. don't you know will i meet any new problems if continue use squeeze with 2.6.18 domU and udev from lenny? |
| 19:39.08 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: ok, fetch it with apt-get again; cd there, and do apt-get -d install perl-base |
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| 19:40.34 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: then mkdir tmp; dpkg -x perl-base*.deb tmp; and then cp the Tie/Hash.pm file to /usr/share/perl/5.10/Tie/ (create the Tie/ dir if needed) |
| 19:41.22 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: the Tie/Hash.pm file should be in a sub-dir of that tmp/ dir you just made |
| 19:41.50 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: not sure if you saw, but this started when i had disk errors, the machine had been on for a few months without a reboot and i had neglected disk checks, the machine became ubootable, but was fixed with sysrestorecd and fdisk, but some things remain broken |
| 19:42.04 | simonrvn | i see |
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| 19:42.15 | simonrvn | one of those must've been that file |
| 19:43.00 | cmdbbq | i believe so |
| 19:43.03 | simonrvn | well, if it's been up for a while, fscks don't happen unless you reboot it or do them manually ;) |
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| 19:43.19 | cmdbbq | how would i use apt-get to fetch the file? apt-get install perl-base fails |
| 19:43.29 | simonrvn | like i said, with -d |
| 19:43.38 | cmdbbq | sorry, missed that |
| 19:43.39 | simonrvn | it downloads to pwd |
| 19:43.54 | simonrvn | hence the cd to /v/c/a/archives |
| 19:44.19 | jhutchins | Back when I used to do a lot of perl I used pear (on RH). |
| 19:44.30 | jhutchins | There was supposed to be a project to tie it into the PM system. |
| 19:44.30 | simonrvn | pear? |
| 19:44.46 | simonrvn | isn't that the php thingy? |
| 19:44.47 | jhutchins | Yeah, a perl shell that automatically retrieves perl packages and dependencies. |
| 19:45.01 | simonrvn | oh wonderful, namespace clash |
| 19:45.03 | jhutchins | Oh, pear might be php... what was the perl one... |
| 19:45.11 | simonrvn | cpan |
| 19:45.15 | jhutchins | Yeah, cpan. |
| 19:45.35 | jhutchins | Haven't needed either in a while. (Then again, haven't had to rebuild a webserver since I went with Debain.) |
| 19:45.39 | simonrvn | perl -MCPAN -eshell; |
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| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | has fixed worse things ;) |
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| 19:51.24 | jelly-home | /usr/bin/cpan |
| 19:51.54 | simonrvn | ooh, since when? |
| 19:52.53 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: i am in /var/cache/apt/archives and have run apt-get -d install perl-base, it concludes that i have the newest perl-base and says that downlowd was completed in download only mode, but there is no perl-base*.deb |
| 19:53.22 | simonrvn | aptitude download perl-base then |
| 19:54.11 | doubleukay | apt-get install --reinstall -d |
| 19:54.15 | doubleukay | would work too |
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| 19:54.47 | simonrvn | ah yes, of course, i haven't used apt-get in a while |
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| 19:58.29 | cmdbbq | ok, Hash.pm is back in /usr/share/perl/usr/share/perl/5.10/Tie/ |
| 19:58.37 | simonrvn | er? |
| 19:59.04 | simonrvn | should be in /usr/share/perl/5.10/Tie/ |
| 19:59.07 | cmdbbq | i did as you said, extracted the deb and copied the Hash.pm file to /usr/share/perl/5.10/Tie/ |
| 19:59.27 | cmdbbq | woops, first one is a typo |
| 19:59.34 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 19:59.49 | simonrvn | cool, try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 20:00.30 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: no output |
| 20:00.45 | simonrvn | try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 20:00.54 | xcn | hi |
| 20:00.58 | simonrvn | actually, do dpkg --audit first |
| 20:01.43 | cmdbbq | simonrvn: no output from either, did audit first |
| 20:01.59 | xcn | I'm trying to use UUID entries in my fstab, but there are is no /dev/disk path and vol_id seems not available (debian squeeze/sid) |
| 20:03.06 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: (just making sure here) do dpkg --configure perl |
| 20:03.42 | cmdbbq | package perl is already installed and configured Errors were encountered while processing: perl |
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| 20:03.56 | simonrvn | ok, that 'error' is ok |
| 20:04.02 | cmdbbq | ok |
| 20:04.12 | simonrvn | so try that apt-get run you were doing |
| 20:04.53 | simonrvn | (whatever it is you were trying to remove/install in the first place) |
| 20:06.24 | vtts | if I may comeback to the sudo question, is the following comment in the http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt incorrect? |
| 20:06.31 | vtts | Skip creation of a root account (normal user account will be able to use sudo). |
| 20:06.53 | cmdbbq | ok, i still get an error on libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386.deb, full output here: http://pastebin.com/65LpU0K7 |
| 20:08.38 | xcn | How to find the UUIDs? Running blkid does not return any information. |
| 20:09.03 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: ok, well, you know how to fix that, cp that Text/Wrap.pm file to /usr/share/perl - you might need to reinstall perl-base, or unpack it to the system location |
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| 20:09.33 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: seems like you might have lost a bunch of things there (/usr/share/perl) |
| 20:10.09 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: you could run a diff of dpkg -L perl-base and the actuall fs location to see what's missing |
| 20:10.14 | simonrvn | actual* |
| 20:10.35 | cmdbbq | would it be wise to simply overwrite the old /usr/share/perl with what i extracted earlier? |
| 20:11.06 | simonrvn | if you do, do a apt-get --reinstall install perl-base so it's properly set up |
| 20:11.12 | simonrvn | an* |
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| 20:11.25 | cmdbbq | ok |
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| 20:12.01 | simonrvn | xcn: dumpe2fs can do that |
| 20:13.24 | jelly-home | cmdbbq: simplest thing to do is probably to install that broken perl-base package using dpkg. |
| 20:13.54 | simonrvn | it might error out, but yes, that's safer |
| 20:13.56 | xcn | simonrvn: dumpe2fs says "No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda2; Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock" |
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| 20:14.17 | simonrvn | xcn: you sure it's not /dev/sda2 ? |
| 20:14.22 | xcn | I'm running M$ on /dev/hda1 and debian root partition on /dev/hda2 |
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| 20:14.43 | xcn | simonrvn: mount says / is /dev/hda2 |
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| 20:15.45 | jelly-home | for obvious reasons, perl-base package install scripts don't depend on perl, (it has no install scripts at all) |
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| 20:16.02 | vtts | xcn, do you have dir: /dev/disk/by-uuid ? |
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| 20:16.25 | xcn | simonrvn: I'm facing the "Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda")" problem and trying now to convert my /etc/fstab to UUIDs |
| 20:16.29 | rking | Argh, I can't figure out what's up with chromium. For the last few weeks it seems really "blockish"---when I open a link to another tab the current page freezes for a second or two while the tab loads. |
| 20:16.40 | xcn | vtts: No unfortunately I have no /dev/disks |
| 20:16.43 | reber | hi all. I have issues with usb. I need to enable usb 1.1 and *disable* usb 2.x. Any ideas of how to do that with modules load/unload ? |
| 20:16.47 | cmdbbq | i copied over and did apt-get install --reinstall perl-base and apt-get upgrade has run successfully; thank you for your help and your patience simonrvn |
| 20:16.51 | xcn | blkid is not available too ;-/ |
| 20:17.11 | jdahm | I'm trying to create a USB image of debian and I'm following http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#ftn.id318743 , however, i'm unclear on what it means by "you should now copy a Debian ISO image[8] onto the stick.". Does this mean the ISO image itself, or the CONTENTS of it? |
| 20:17.26 | reber | i tried to unload ehci_hcd, and load only ohci_hcd, but it seems it's not enough |
| 20:18.09 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh lookadat, no pre* post* anything |
| 20:18.10 | vtts | jdahm, just iso as a file |
| 20:18.25 | jdahm | vtts: so not the contents? |
| 20:18.27 | jdahm | ok |
| 20:18.41 | jdahm | vtts: and that is copy, not dd, right? |
| 20:18.54 | vtts | correct |
| 20:18.57 | simonrvn | cmdbbq: np, thank jelly-home too, and vtts as well |
| 20:19.30 | jdahm | thanks |
| 20:19.34 | simonrvn | jelly-home: which makes perfect sense, of course (not having pkg install scripts) |
| 20:19.42 | vtts | xcn, how about a cache file: /etc/blkid.tab ? |
| 20:20.23 | cmdbbq | yes, thank you jelly-home and vtts, you guys have been great! |
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| 20:21.19 | xcn | vtts: yes I have a /etc/blkid.tab file with three entries, one is /dev/sda which looks like my root partition |
| 20:22.07 | xcn | I'm trying to fit this UUID in my fstab to solve the "Fatal: raid_setup:stat("/dev/hda")" problem |
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| 20:24.30 | vtts | xcn, is this a lilo error? |
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| 20:24.46 | xcn | vtts, yes |
| 20:24.57 | JordiGH | Why are OSS apps no longer able to share the sound card with ALSA? I don't know what happened, but this got messed up during a full-upgrade. |
| 20:25.25 | xcn | vtts, "update-initramfs -u" gives the same error |
| 20:25.59 | vtts | xcn, is your disk drive really /dev/hda ? |
| 20:26.01 | xcn | (which runs lilo by a post-update directive) |
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| 20:26.08 | vtts | maybe it's /dev/sda |
| 20:26.15 | xcn | vtts, up to now it was |
| 20:26.21 | xcn | dmesg|grep hda tells this |
| 20:26.25 | xcn | and mount does so too |
| 20:26.51 | vtts | then the blkid.tab records are strange |
| 20:27.00 | xcn | but i can't access them. "fdisk hda2" is not possible -> "unable to open hda2" |
| 20:27.15 | xcn | i'm puzzled |
| 20:27.17 | vtts | fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 20:27.34 | xcn | "fdisk hda"-> "unable to open hda" |
| 20:27.48 | xcn | "fdisk /dev/hda"-> "unable to open /dev/hda" |
| 20:27.56 | vtts | how about /dev/sda |
| 20:28.07 | xcn | "fdisk /dev/sda"-> "unable to open /dev/sda" |
| 20:28.13 | vtts | ghm... |
| 20:28.27 | xcn | debian squeeze/sid here |
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| 20:28.34 | xcn | 2.6.30.1 |
| 20:28.56 | vtts | is /dev setup properly? |
| 20:29.03 | xcn | I was just upgrading the kernel and wanted to execute lilo. |
| 20:29.16 | xcn | i guess not, i'm lacking the /dev/disk directory |
| 20:29.39 | vtts | it's just symlinks |
| 20:29.58 | xcn | do i have to set them manually? |
| 20:30.04 | jelly-home | xcn: your custom kernel might be missing something that Debian expects which makes udev not create /dev/disk/ links |
| 20:30.15 | vtts | udev shoud take care of setting them up |
| 20:30.30 | xcn | jelly-home: could be, i'm on the way to install a linux-image |
| 20:30.35 | vtts | xcn, did you compile your kernel your self?? |
| 20:30.54 | vtts | if yes, did you include inotify? |
| 20:31.25 | xcn | vtts: yes. I don't know aboout inotify |
| 20:31.30 | xcn | what's that? |
| 20:31.44 | vtts | it's used by udev |
| 20:32.28 | vtts | i had a similar problem without it |
| 20:32.47 | vtts | also check tmpfs support |
| 20:32.56 | xcn | I got tmpfs |
| 20:33.02 | xcn | I see it under mount |
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| 20:34.54 | xcn | My mount output changed since last reboot |
| 20:35.07 | xcn | tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs |
| 20:35.17 | xcn | rootfs on / type rootfs |
| 20:35.19 | xcn | .. |
| 20:35.26 | xcn | no more /dev/hda or /dev/sda |
| 20:37.03 | xcn | my "make menuconfig" is broken "gcc:error trying to exec 'cc1' execvp: no such file or directory" |
| 20:37.21 | vtts | check /proc/mounts |
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| 20:38.30 | jelly-home | xcn: but you're booted in your real system, not some initramfs thing? What's the current "uname -a"? |
| 20:39.09 | xcn | jelly-home: yes, real system boot. |
| 20:39.17 | xcn | I'm just trying a older kernel installation |
| 20:39.19 | jelly-home | xcn: can you pastebin the outputs of: ls -la /dev/; cat /proc/mounts |
| 20:39.46 | jelly-home | xcn: oh, /proc/partitions as well |
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| 20:41.57 | SmartViking | Hey something is wrong with frozen-bubble in debian reposotorie, error 404 not found, file is missiong or under wrong name? |
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| 20:42.08 | SmartViking | Can someone test to see i i'm not the only one? |
| 20:42.36 | rking | Why would a screenshot piped through OCR produce very little recognized text? I tried several different programs and found they got rather minor portions of the screen text right. |
| 20:43.08 | vtts | rking, maybe a low resolution (dpi) |
| 20:43.44 | stalemate | is the scrennshot compressed? |
| 20:43.56 | rking | vtts: It's a screenshot. It has every pixel that I can see on my monitor. Each character is perfectly formed with no noise like printed chars in a scanner. |
| 20:43.58 | stalemate | jpg compression is bad fpr ocr |
| 20:44.12 | rking | stalemate: Good guess, but nope. I'd almost never use a .jpg for a screenshot. |
| 20:44.36 | stalemate | try to convert in greyscale. maybe this gets better results |
| 20:45.01 | SmartViking | only me - something have changed in repos after last apt-get update, should have tried that first... :) |
| 20:45.24 | vtts | rking, still its <100dpi, that might be not enought for a particular ocr algorithm |
| 20:45.27 | xcn | jelly-home: here are the pastebin commits |
| 20:45.29 | xcn | http://paste.debian.net/99174/ |
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| 20:45.53 | xcn | http://paste.debian.net/99175/ |
| 20:46.23 | rking | vtts: There's no "dpi" in computer images. |
| 20:46.23 | xcn | http://paste.debian.net/99176/ |
| 20:46.42 | rking | vtts: If an image format does have DPI it's just a hint to printing mechanisms about how big the scale needs to be. |
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| 20:47.04 | vtts | rking, well you can call it ppi |
| 20:47.07 | rking | http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html |
| 20:47.12 | rking | vtts: Nope, that's a synonym. |
| 20:47.21 | rking | vtts: There's only pixels. |
| 20:47.27 | rking | Just a big field of pixels. |
| 20:47.55 | vtts | rking, size of letter matters |
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| 20:48.11 | stalemate | whatever there is and how its called, I think that there is not enough contrast. Try to convert to greyscale or b/w. |
| 20:48.26 | vtts | so you have a particular amount of pixels per letter |
| 20:49.22 | rking | True. Fonts are measured in points which is an "inches"-based scale. When you say "I want a 72 point font" the computer needs some way to translate that 72pt (=1 in) into some number of pixels. |
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| 20:52.21 | rking | Maybe I need to play around with antialiasing or something. I was just using a screenshot to test the OCR, assuming that it would eliminate the trouble I would otherwise complicate the test. I wonder if open-source OCR is really that far behind. |
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| 20:56.27 | eshat | what are the dbg packages for ? |
| 20:56.39 | eshat | are they compiled with debugging set to highest level ? |
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| 20:58.38 | eikenberry | eshat. basically yes, they are the same as the standard packages, just with the debugging flags added. |
| 20:59.35 | eshat | eikenberry: ahh ok, thanks |
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| 21:01.44 | cafaro | Hi, I'm trying to get Squeeze working on my laptop, but it freezes during the boot process (single-user mode), Lenny worked fine (except for 3d accel) on the same system, the freeze occurs on a different message when I reboot, but I suspect my HDD is the problem. Any ideas on how I should proceed? |
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| 21:04.47 | JasonWoof | Hi, I'm working on cross-compiling the libsdl1.2 package for win32. I've got it mostly building, but the linking is failing to link in the "resource" file compiled with windres, with this error: |
| 21:04.49 | JasonWoof | libtool: link: cannot build libtool library `build/libSDL.la' from non-libtool objects on this host: build/version.o |
| 21:05.10 | JasonWoof | the windres docs say that it's supposed to generate a coff file |
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| 21:08.09 | jelly-home | JasonWoof: I'd try asking in ##mingw |
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| 21:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafaro, "freeze" means you think the kernel panics? |
| 21:10.24 | xcn | vtts, i just checked, inotify and tmpfs are available |
| 21:10.47 | xcn | jelly-home: did you discover anything inspecting the pastebin? |
| 21:12.29 | jelly-home | xcn: I have no idea why udev does not create /dev/hda*, but /proc/partitions indicates that's what's available |
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| 21:15.44 | jelly-home | xcn: going to blame that on your custom kernel and udev. So, create them manually and see what happens. cd /dev && mkdir blah && cd blah && MAKEDEV hda |
| 21:16.10 | jelly-home | xcn: then mv hda* .. && cd .. && rmdir blah |
| 21:16.29 | JordiGH | Why are OSS apps no longer able to share the sound card with ALSA? I don't know what happened, but this got messed up during a full-upgrade. |
| 21:16.36 | jelly-home | xcn: temporary directory is workaround for MAKEDEV's udev check. |
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| 21:17.00 | JordiGH | Like, aoss some_oss_app will tell me /dev/dsp is busy if Rhythmbox is playing. |
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| 21:17.55 | jelly-home | JordiGH: is Rhythmbox using the /dev/sound/pcm* devices, or is it some other process (pulseaudio)? |
| 21:18.29 | JordiGH | Maybe it is using pulseaudio, damn thing seems to have gotten installed during an aptitude full-upgrade. |
| 21:18.30 | jelly-home | !list alsa users |
| 21:18.30 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 21:18.40 | jelly-home | *blink* |
| 21:18.43 | JordiGH | I just removed the package, but maybe the process is still running. |
| 21:19.27 | JordiGH | "jordi 3744 0.4 0.2 354128 8384 ? Ssl Nov04 15:53 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start" |
| 21:19.30 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 21:19.32 | JordiGH | die die die |
| 21:20.13 | Diytto | whadda ya know im on a computer :) |
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| 21:21.15 | jelly-home | Diytto: congratulations. |
| 21:21.34 | cafaro | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know... ctrl+alt+del doesn't work, ctrl+alt+f1 etc don't work, only way to resolve it, is by holding down the power button. |
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| 21:22.29 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, it was pulseaudio to blame. |
| 21:22.42 | JordiGH | doesn't get it, does pulseaudio solve stuff, or just causes problem? |
| 21:22.43 | xcn | jelly-home: funny but that MAKEDEV procedure just worked |
| 21:22.54 | xcn | very very funny |
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| 21:23.20 | Diytto | ikr |
| 21:23.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: both |
| 21:23.37 | xcn | who removed by hda entries in /dev? |
| 21:24.04 | jelly-home | xcn: I suspect your kernel and udev aren't very good friends. |
| 21:24.37 | jelly-home | xcn: are you able to configure your boot manager now and try using the distro kernel? |
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| 21:25.18 | xcn | jelly-home: I'm going for a linux-image right now to get that straight |
| 21:26.06 | jelly-home | xcn: which Debian release are you using? |
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| 21:26.15 | xcn | squeeze/sid |
| 21:26.56 | jelly-home | squeeze or sid? |
| 21:27.08 | jelly-home | xcn: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, please |
| 21:27.23 | xcn | it's a testing |
| 21:27.55 | xcn | I'm just enabling the vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:28.11 | Diytto | can someone in here help me with ubuntu (its not about ubuntu, more about an xorg like issue) |
| 21:28.55 | JordiGH | Diytto: It probably is Ubuntu. |
| 21:28.59 | jelly-home | Diytto: no, use the proper channel, please. You can using the upstream help channel as well, #xorg |
| 21:29.12 | jelly-home | try* using |
| 21:29.16 | JordiGH | can noticing jelly-home's error. |
| 21:29.17 | macrobat | Diytto: xorg has different versions in debian and ubuntu |
| 21:29.40 | Diytto | oh ok |
| 21:29.42 | Diytto | ill try #xorg |
| 21:29.44 | Diytto | thx |
| 21:29.44 | jelly-home | Diytto: or the generic linux distro channel, ##Linux |
| 21:29.53 | Diytto | ah |
| 21:29.54 | JordiGH | That's a distro channel? |
| 21:29.54 | xcn | damn. |
| 21:30.05 | JordiGH | Do linux hackers hang out in Freenode? |
| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah, as opposed to a kernel channel |
| 21:30.36 | jelly-home | like ##kernel |
| 21:30.57 | JordiGH | And that's just Linux or can you talk about, say, BSD kernels? |
| 21:31.21 | JordiGH | lobbies ##linux to consider rebranding itself ##gnu-linux |
| 21:31.32 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:31.39 | macrobat | "gnu" --so hard to pronounce, nobody knows about it |
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| 21:31.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you're trolling, right? |
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| 21:32.00 | JordiGH | jelly-home: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/the-internet.png |
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| 21:32.10 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 21:32.21 | mhi^ | Hey. I left Debian for some months (but still installed on my laptop), came back, did a huge update and mentioned something.. something wrong. I can't believe that was due to the update, but I wouldn't know why I should have done this.. The problem: wc -1 / | wc -l => 449. I have over 400 locale directories in my root dir. Is there something known about the 'locale' deb going postal or so? |
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| 21:33.01 | mhi^ | I can't remember the last time I had to touch locales, that's why it seems so strange to me. |
| 21:33.13 | macrobat | yes, look in bts for locale-all |
| 21:33.16 | jelly-home | mhi^: you can try figuring out whether they belong to any package or not. dpkg -S /blah /foo /fnord |
| 21:35.56 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.08 | mhi^ | jelly-home: I did that, that's why I know it's about the locales package :) |
| 21:36.31 | mhi^ | macrobat: Ah, found it there.. glad to see it wasn't me :-) Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 21:47.46 | unixSnob | I want to know how much space will be freed up if I remove something. I tried => apt-get -s remove <package> |
| 21:48.01 | unixSnob | but the simulation did not say how much space it would have freed up |
| 21:48.21 | jelly-home | unixSnob: dpkg -s packagename shows its Installed-Size in KiB |
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| 21:49.08 | somiaj | also apt-cache show, or aptitude show will show its 'installed-size' |
| 21:49.12 | unixSnob | jelly-home: there needs to be a command in there doesn't there |
| 21:49.30 | jelly-home | unixSnob: where? |
| 21:49.45 | unixSnob | thanks, that gives me an idea.. however, it misses the space that would be freed up if all resulting unused packages were also removed |
| 21:49.53 | jelly-home | indeed. |
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| 21:50.03 | unixSnob | jelly-home: dpkg -s packagename <= gives me an error |
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| 21:50.18 | somiaj | unixSnob: apt-cache show packagename -- look for installed size |
| 21:50.28 | somiaj | unixSnob: | grep Installed-Size if you don't want to read though it |
| 21:50.29 | jelly-home | unixSnob: what error? |
| 21:51.12 | unixSnob | jelly-home: "E: Invalid operation packagename" |
| 21:51.44 | unixSnob | jelly-home: it doesn't conform to the syntax rules |
| 21:52.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: you could run apt-get remove without the -s and just not press 'y' |
| 21:52.35 | unixSnob | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, I'll give that a shot. Do I always have the option to say no? |
| 21:52.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: as long as apt adds/removes more then one package |
| 21:53.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: and 'packagename' in jelly-home 's example is the name of the package, not a dpkg ocmmand |
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| 21:53.42 | jelly-home | unixSnob: er... you're doing somewthing wrong, then. Pastebin the actual output of "dpkg -s somepackage", and replace the parameter with an actual package... name. |
| 21:54.34 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: that by itself wouldn't cause the E: by dpkg. Looks more like he's running something other than dpkg itself |
| 21:54.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: or 'echo 'no' |sudo apt-get --purge remove freeciv-client-sdl' |
| 21:54.45 | unixSnob | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks.. I guess that's a bit risky for what I would do. I plan to run apt-get remove on all packages on the system, and produce a list of sizes that will be freed up. |
| 21:54.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: ah, good point |
| 21:55.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: ahhh.... right.... |
| 21:55.40 | jelly-home | !tell unixSnob about sort by size |
| 21:55.43 | somiaj | unixSnob: and why can't you just use the info from apt-cache show, or dpkg -s -- this just gives you the package info which includes the Installed-Size |
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| 21:56.26 | unixSnob | somiaj: I think it does not include the size of packages that the one package depends on |
| 21:56.48 | unixSnob | somiaj: and if it did, I'm only interested in teh packages that would be removed by the top package removal |
| 21:57.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect xy |
| 21:57.13 | unixSnob | IOW, I want to know the amount of space freed up if I remove something (which includes sole-dependencies) |
| 21:57.17 | jelly-home | unixSnob: you can combine the list of packages from a dry-run removal with the aptitude command from that factoid |
| 21:58.06 | jelly-home | this will involve a minor amount of scripting, which by being unixSnob you're used to by now |
| 21:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect the correct wya to do this is build a list of installed packages then awk/python/perl the packages list |
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| 21:58.36 | jelly-home | !tell Kamping_Kaiser about sort by size |
| 21:58.51 | dougmencken | how to solve it: "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90" |
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| 21:59.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: nice :) |
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| 21:59.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dougmencken: import teh gpg key per the d-m website |
| 21:59.42 | jelly-home | dougmencken: read the FAQ on the web site. |
| 21:59.48 | unixSnob | jelly-home: that's quite useful, but i don't have aptitude. I'm actually on a small portable implementation of debian, which has apt-get, not aptitude |
| 21:59.58 | dougmencken | Kamping_Kaiser: which is keyserver for 'gpg --keyserver' ? |
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| 22:00.22 | dougmencken | or just disable that multimedia repo? |
| 22:00.25 | unixSnob | jelly-home: in fact, I discovered this is why "dpkg -s package" did not work.. it works on my full debian system, but not on my portable lean one |
| 22:00.26 | jelly-home | unixSnob: read the older linked factoid, then |
| 22:00.31 | tokam | mvdr:~# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:00.31 | tokam | --- no soundcards --- |
| 22:00.35 | tokam | what to do here? |
| 22:00.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | unixSnob: care to give us all the details required to help up front? :) |
| 22:00.59 | jelly-home | unixSnob: if you don't have /usr/bin/dpkg, I dare say you're not using Debian |
| 22:01.36 | jelly-home | and if /usr/bin/dpkg -s libc6 doesn't work as expected, you're not running Debian either |
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| 22:02.21 | jelly-home | *sigh* |
| 22:02.30 | JordiGH | "Portable lean Debian"? |
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| 22:02.40 | unixSnob | jelly-home: I have /usr/bin/dpkg.. it's part of maemo |
| 22:02.48 | jelly-home | !maemo |
| 22:02.48 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ #maemo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:02.52 | unixSnob | maemo being the lean small version of debian |
| 22:03.01 | jelly-home | unixSnob: it's not Debian. |
| 22:03.27 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 22:03.28 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 22:03.51 | JordiGH | !based on oxygen |
| 22:03.55 | JordiGH | Aw. |
| 22:04.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 22:04.18 | jelly-home | is based on CHON |
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| 22:04.59 | unixSnob | my ass is covered here, because I also have a genuine debian system for which this info is useful |
| 22:05.16 | JordiGH | unixSnob: No, it wasn't. |
| 22:05.25 | JordiGH | unixSnob: You've gotten that information and it wasn't useful. |
| 22:05.28 | jelly-home | your ass will hopefully learn to ask in the correct place from now on |
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| 22:05.37 | JordiGH | Quite an eloquent ass. |
| 22:05.43 | unixSnob | JordiGH: sure it's useful.. it works on my system |
| 22:05.54 | stalemate | children, relax |
| 22:05.58 | unixSnob | I just found out texlive fonts were the biggest packages on my system |
| 22:06.13 | unixSnob | using aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" |
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| 22:06.48 | unixSnob | texlive fonts are taking up 300MB of my hdd space, on my genuine debian system |
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| 22:07.29 | jelly-home | you don't have to make excuses, just... make notice to ask in the proper place next time |
| 22:10.44 | unixSnob | ah.. I said dpkg -s didn't work.. it actually does. I was typing apt-get, but thinking dpkg... breakdown between the brain and the fingers muscle memory |
| 22:11.28 | KB1JWQ | Fun dependancy issue; trying to get a script working, and it's throwing "Can't locate DBD/SQLite.pm in @INC." apt-file search *DBD/SQLite.pm returns nothing. There a better way to solve this? |
| 22:12.07 | Wicla | Hello. I'm trying to chroot ircd-ratbox. I've used makejail to set up the enviroment. But when trying to start the daemon with the init script (with --chroot enabled) I'm getting: "start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)". The path is correct. Any ideas? |
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| 22:13.13 | jelly-home | KB1JWQ: apt-cache search DBD::Sqlite is faster than apt-file |
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| 22:23.10 | xand | KB1JWQ: libdbd-sqlite3-perl package? |
| 22:23.14 | KB1JWQ | xand: or 2. |
| 22:23.18 | KB1JWQ | Thanks, jelly-home, xand |
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| 22:25.06 | JJS | do the php 5.3.3 packages in squeeze have FPM built in? |
| 22:25.58 | JJS | dotdeb has the handy packages for lenny but i cant find a lick of info for squeeze |
| 22:26.50 | amphi | !dotdeb |
| 22:26.50 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.debian.org. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 22:27.36 | thepro4ever | off the wall questions, anyone know of any vocabulary training games that will work on debian? |
| 22:27.46 | JJS | right, i'm not asking for help with the dotdeb packages |
| 22:29.28 | JJS | php 5.3.3 officially included FPM and there are 5.3.3 packages in squeeze, but I can't find any info about whether FPM was compiled in those |
| 22:30.40 | jelly-home | JJS: you can try looking at the package changelog, aptitude changelog php5 |
| 22:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | thepro4ever, tried "apt-cache search vocabulary"? |
| 22:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | gcompris looks like der bunny |
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| 22:31.56 | JJS | oh nice |
| 22:32.18 | jelly-home | JJS: it says... * Don't build FPM SAPI now |
| 22:32.23 | JJS | 5.3.3-1 has a note "Build the FPM SAPI" and then 5.3.3-2 has "Don't build the FPM SAPI now" |
| 22:32.49 | JJS | i guess there's a rebuild from source in my future |
| 22:32.52 | JJS | thanks for the tip |
| 22:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thepro4ever, on the other hand, for something of this complexity... http://www.google.com/search?q=vocabulary+training+flash+game |
| 22:33.02 | jelly-home | likely breaks things and is too much of a change for squeeze at this point |
| 22:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hit #1 is from jellyfishfun.com! |
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| 22:36.23 | amphi | Diytto: did you look at http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco ? |
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| 22:37.30 | hell_razer | how to change resolution with nvidia-settings from console |
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| 22:38.33 | Diytto | amphi: yes. i even installed another kernel |
| 22:38.46 | Diytto | how do i get boot logs again? |
| 22:38.53 | Diytto | i will show you what it does |
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| 22:39.07 | amphi | /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslof |
| 22:39.11 | amphi | er, syslog |
| 22:39.27 | Diytto | isnt there a command tho like msgdes or something |
| 22:39.51 | fbs | during install i forgot to encrypt /tmp, i have enough space in my crypted lvm so i created a encypted /tmp. But wat do i need to do to make the system boot from the new tmp. Only adding it to fstab is not enough |
| 22:41.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats the ncurses equivilant of update-rc.d? i'm not having much luck finding it |
| 22:41.24 | blackshirt | sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:42.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | blackshirt: fab. thanks :) |
| 22:43.46 | Diytto | amphi: here |
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| 22:46.26 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 22.875454] airport 0.00030000:radio: Station identity 001f:0001:0008:0046 |
| 22:46.26 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 22.877152] airport 0.00030000:radio: Firmware determined as Lucent/Agere 8.70 |
| 22:46.26 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 22.978482] airport 0.00030000:radio: firmware: requesting agere_sta_fw.bin |
| 22:46.26 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 23.063231] airport 0.00030000:radio: firmware: requesting agere_sta_fw.bin |
| 22:46.26 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 23.110541] airport 0.00030000:radio: Hardware identity 0005:0001:0001:0000 |
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| 22:46.37 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 24.423007] Adding 3320540k swap on /dev/hda4. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3320540k |
| 22:46.40 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 24.816512] EXT3 FS on hda3, internal journal |
| 22:46.41 | xand | sigh |
| 22:46.42 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 25.868375] loop: module loaded |
| 22:46.42 | jelly-home | ... |
| 22:46.44 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:29 G4 kernel: [ 26.338199] SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 22:46.45 | xand | Diytto: idiot. |
| 22:46.46 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:31 G4 kernel: [ 31.635885] lp: driver loaded but no devices found |
| 22:46.48 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:34 G4 dhcdbd: Started up. |
| 22:46.51 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.263986] eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full-duplex. |
| 22:46.53 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.264107] eth0: Pause is enabled (rxfifo: 10240 off: 7168 on: 5632) |
| 22:46.54 | jelly-home | xand: might be automated. |
| 22:46.55 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.415255] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 22:46.57 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.588263] hermes @ f66f2000: Card removed while issuing command 0x0002. |
| 22:46.59 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.588379] eth1: Unable to disable port while reconfiguring card |
| 22:47.01 | xand | !ops Diytto flooding |
| 22:47.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: xand complains about: Diytto flooding |
| 22:47.02 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 kernel: [ 37.588438] eth1: Resetting instead... |
| 22:47.04 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:37 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason |
| 22:47.06 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:50 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_name |
| 22:47.08 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:50 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_search |
| 22:47.10 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:50 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domain |
| 22:47.10 | xcn | Diytto: -> pastebin? |
| 22:47.13 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:50 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers |
| 22:47.15 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:10:50 G4 dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.interface_mtu |
| 22:47.17 | Diytto | Nov 6 11:11:28 G4 kernel: [ 88.613585] UDF-fs: No VRS found |
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| 22:47.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder why the bot didn't pick it up |
| 22:48.12 | hell_razer | how to change resolution with nvidia-settings from console |
| 22:48.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, because he never got to 6 lines |
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| 22:48.44 | niko | Diytto: use a pastebin please. |
| 22:49.07 | Tramp | Kamping_Kaiser: no - he picked it up the first time, but then he went slower (2 secs difference between lines) |
| 22:49.17 | Tramp | Kamping_Kaiser: at least that's what I think |
| 22:49.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tramp: that would be it then - irssi doesn't show seconds soi didn't notice that |
| 22:50.02 | xand | irssi shows seconds for me :) |
| 22:50.11 | xand | 2010-11-06 22:50:02 < xand> irssi shows seconds for me :) |
| 22:50.20 | xand | /set timestamp_format |
| 22:50.58 | Diytto | starcoder :O |
| 22:51.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 22:52.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | ha, seconds |
| 22:52.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | xand: \o/ |
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| 22:57.11 | Diytto | anyone know how to get my built in speaker to work with debian |
| 22:57.20 | Diytto | hey starcoder :P |
| 22:57.47 | starcoder | hello Diytto |
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| 22:58.04 | Diytto | how are you |
| 22:58.10 | tokam | what to do if debian does not know the soundcard? |
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| 22:58.38 | subsume | Can I put a wget command in my crontab ? |
| 22:58.46 | subsume | and if so, does the file appear in my homedir? |
| 22:59.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | subsume: yes you can |
| 22:59.50 | subsume | and yes it does? =) |
| 22:59.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure, try it out :) |
| 23:00.00 | Tramp | ... but it won't, unless you specify where to put it |
| 23:00.09 | subsume | ok. gotta look the syntax to put it somewhere |
| 23:00.10 | subsume | thanks! |
| 23:00.14 | subsume | i should put the thing in /tmp actually |
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| 23:01.12 | Tramp | well, it actually might, so take my "no" as an educated guess .... |
| 23:01.20 | subsume | man pages never make any damn sense to me. =( |
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| 23:01.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could simply cd into the directory you want it to run in before executing the command. |
| 23:02.05 | Vesperto | Greetings. any reason for pidgin 2.7.4 not showing msn or yahoo in the account creation pane under Sid? |
| 23:02.12 | subsume | i actually wanted to rename it too |
| 23:02.17 | subsume | cause right now its some stupid url. |
| 23:02.32 | subsume | i think its 'wget http://asdf.com/wtvr.php /tmp/thing.txt' |
| 23:02.41 | subsume | but maybe i need -O /tmp/thing.txt |
| 23:02.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vesperto: checked the bts? |
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| 23:03.25 | Vesperto | Kamping_Kaiser: the who? |
| 23:03.34 | Vesperto | Ah |
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| 23:04.18 | hell_razer | how to change resolution with nvidia-settings from console |
| 23:04.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hell_razer: you don't |
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| 23:05.32 | DeathWolf | could anyone try: echo $(apt-file search /usr/share/sounds|sed 's!:.*!!'|uniq) |
| 23:05.41 | DeathWolf | it seems to have zsh go in quite a frenzy here |
| 23:06.28 | DeathWolf | assumes it's a local issue but is curious to see if anyone does encouter the same or not. |
| 23:06.31 | Bushmills | Vesperto: shows MSN, Yahoo and Yahoo Japan here |
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| 23:06.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeathWolf: tried it in other shells? |
| 23:07.01 | DeathWolf | yeah it's fine in other shells |
| 23:07.45 | Vesperto | Kamping_Kaiser: not really a friendly UI, can't find "msn" in the pidgin page at least. Did find a suggestion to install from backports.org where 2.4.3 is apparently working. |
| 23:08.08 | Vesperto | Bushmills: in both my pcs too, this is on a friend's. |
| 23:08.26 | DeathWolf | mmm, it's definitely a local zsh setting that's causing it:) |
| 23:08.28 | JasonWoof | I'm trying to cross-compile the libsdl1.2 source package for mingw. I've got it compiling with dpkg-buildpackage, but it fails at the dh_install --sourcedir line with an error about not seeing any *.so.* files in debian/tmp/usr/lib |
| 23:08.36 | JasonWoof | but of course there are none, there's .dll files |
| 23:08.38 | Bushmills | try a recent libpurple0 |
| 23:08.55 | JasonWoof | man dh_install doesn't show an option for telling it the extension for shared libraries |
| 23:08.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vesperto: ah well, enjoy sid :) |
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| 23:09.04 | Bushmills | or check whether there is /usr/lib/purple-2/libmsn.so |
| 23:09.09 | Vesperto | Bushmills: Sid has 2.7.4, the latest is 2.7.5, msn and yahoo have been supported for ages. |
| 23:09.32 | Vesperto | Kamping_Kaiser: always have :) but doesn't solve my problem :| |
| 23:09.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vesperto: :( |
| 23:10.37 | Vesperto | even stable should support msn and yahoo, it's weird... Can't be missing libraries, pidgin uses few. Meh |
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| 23:11.15 | Vesperto | Bushmills: i386 or amd64? |
| 23:11.30 | JasonWoof | ahh, it's in debian/libsdl1.2debian-all.install |
| 23:11.54 | Bushmills | i386 |
| 23:13.10 | DeathWolf | aha, found the cause, LC_CTYPE=en_US |
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| 23:15.50 | Wicla | Hello. I'm trying to chroot ircd-ratbox. I've used makejail to set up the enviroment. But when trying to start the daemon with the init script (with --chroot enabled) I'm getting: "start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)". The path is correct. Any ideas? Included init file and some output: http://pastebin.com/pbDj2W6L |
| 23:15.59 | iceroot | how can i see what "id username" is asking for the user-information? e.g. passwd, ldap and so on. sometimes id username is very slow (5 minutes) and i dont know why and what id is doing there at the moment. |
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| 23:18.23 | Bushmills | iceroot: ltrace and strace are tools to find out |
| 23:19.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wicla: does /usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox exist? |
| 23:19.53 | iceroot | Bushmills: nscd is the answer :( thank you |
| 23:20.08 | Wicla | yes /var/chroot/ircd/usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox do exist - yes. |
| 23:20.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wicla: if you wrote the init script, you should check for the executable before running the script too |
| 23:20.57 | Wicla | It's the init-script that comes with ircd-ratbox. Just edited so it's chrooting |
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| 23:21.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wicla: but its not chrooting |
| 23:21.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wicla: ok. then i can't tell you to fix the -f $DAEMON then ;) |
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| 23:22.25 | Wicla | # |
| 23:22.27 | Wicla | ~# start-stop-daemon --start -c ircd:ircd --pidfile /var/run/ircd/ircd-ratbox.pid --chroot /var/chroot/ircd -t --exec /usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox -- -pidfile /var/run/ircd/ircd-ratbox.pid |
| 23:22.37 | Wicla | # |
| 23:22.39 | Wicla | Would start /usr/sbin/ircd-ratbox -pidfile /var/run/ircd/ircd-ratbox.pid (as user ircd[106], and group ircd[61]) in directory /var/chroot/ircd. |
| 23:22.58 | Wicla | that notice seems to say it's working correctly? |
| 23:23.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wicla: putting 'set -ex' at teh top of the init script might help track down the problem |
| 23:23.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm heading afk, so good luck with it |
| 23:23.49 | Wicla | thanks for the help. Tried a bit with -x but didn't find anything useful. |
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| 23:31.56 | xcn | I just installed a stock debian kernel (2.6.32-5-486) and get a "No filesystem could mount root, tried: Kernel panic - not synching: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,2)" |
| 23:32.18 | xcn | I do not have this problem with my manually compiled kernels. |
| 23:32.55 | xcn | lilo entries are equal to manually compiled kernels |
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| 23:36.26 | vtts | xcn, is there a reason why you're not using grub? |
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| 23:37.19 | latenite | Hi folks, I try to load a module in apache. But I have never done that before. This is the module I like to load: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_actions.html#script |
| 23:37.36 | latenite | can someone give me a helping hand? thanks |
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| 23:37.51 | vtts | latenite, a2enmod actions |
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| 23:38.24 | latenite | vtts, ? well do I have do edit http.conf? |
| 23:38.47 | xcn | vtts, not really. just that i've never "migrated" to grub ;-) |
| 23:39.19 | xcn | you think it's a boot loader problem? |
| 23:39.27 | stalemate | maybe you should write it down in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ to make it reboot/restart safe |
| 23:39.47 | vtts | latenite, config will be available in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/actions.conf |
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| 23:40.25 | vtts | a2enmod script will make symlinks from mods-available to mods-enabled |
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| 23:40.44 | cusco_ | hi |
| 23:41.04 | vtts | xcn, I'm not sure, but grub is a bit easier when there are some boot problems |
| 23:41.07 | cusco_ | how can I charset in a bunch of textfiles |
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| 23:41.14 | xcn | installs grub |
| 23:41.18 | latenite | vtts, no "actions" in my directory here *cry* http://pastie.org/1278051 |
| 23:41.20 | cusco_ | from utf-8 to iso-8859-15 |
| 23:41.24 | cusco_ | or vice versa |
| 23:41.30 | vtts | cusco_, iconv |
| 23:41.44 | vtts | latenite, did you do a2enmod ? |
| 23:41.58 | latenite | vtts, no? shall I? |
| 23:42.00 | iceroot | i downloaded nscd from sid and tried to install it with dpkg -i on lenny. it failed because of libc6 dependencies. now i want to undo it and want to use nscd from lenny. apt-get and dpkg are telling me there are errors and i have to use dpkg --configure -a / apt-get install -f which wants to remove important packages. is there a way to just reuse nscd from lenny? |
| 23:42.13 | vtts | latenite, it will create symlink for you |
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| 23:43.24 | latenite | vtts, the one I want to enable is not part of that list: http://pastie.org/1278054 |
| 23:43.47 | vtts | latenite, "actions" is not the one? |
| 23:44.24 | latenite | vtts, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_actions.html#script sais its name is "mod_actions" ist that the same??? *confused* |
| 23:44.34 | xcn | tries grub |
| 23:44.50 | vtts | latenite, yes |
| 23:45.21 | xcn | hm.. the lilo boot loader is still there. |
| 23:45.47 | iceroot | fyi: aptitude install nscd was downgrading the package correctly. now i know why aptitude is recommend :) |
| 23:45.48 | latenite | vtts, why the diff names?...oh well my problem is now with "a2enmod" I have no clue about what was edited and where (I feel like a mac user)...can you tell me ?! |
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| 23:47.04 | vtts | latenite, basicly a2enmod creates a link from /etc/apache/mods-available/... to /etc/apache/mods-enabled/... |
| 23:47.23 | vtts | in these dirs are the config files for modules |
| 23:48.09 | xcn | i guess "grub-install /dev/hda" should do the job, right? |
| 23:48.09 | vtts | and includes mods-enabled/*.load mods-enabled/*.conf files |
| 23:48.55 | vtts | so no magic here, just a script to do the job quicker |
| 23:49.29 | bloor | xcn, yes :o) |
| 23:50.04 | bloor | means hda is your first disk |
| 23:50.07 | xcn | bloor: update-grub did the job finally :-) |
| 23:51.08 | bloor | ok :) |
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| 23:51.37 | xcn | i see the old kernel booting :) |
| 23:51.39 | xcn | *phew* |
| 23:52.11 | xcn | but no vga screen resolution in terminal mode. |
| 23:52.47 | vtts | xcn, which grub version 0.9x (legacy) or grub2 ? |
| 23:53.05 | xcn | it's 1.98+20100804-7 |
| 23:53.20 | xcn | does this already count as v2 ? |
| 23:54.42 | iceroot | xcn: yes |
| 23:54.43 | vtts | uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub for vga mode |
| 23:55.00 | xcn | The "new" stock kernel gives a "ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" |
| 23:55.09 | xcn | vtts, thanks. |
| 23:55.45 | xcn | there really is no /dev/hda2 in /dev |
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