| 00:00.16 | xcn | update-grub also mentions a initrd image for the stock kernel - could this be problematic? |
| 00:00.25 | shalok | Why does my screen shut down after about 30-60 mins of inactivity? |
| 00:00.31 | xcn | it seems the stock kernel lacks /dev/hda entries. |
| 00:01.19 | vtts | xcn, /dev entries should be created by udev |
| 00:01.27 | xcn | shalok: try "xset q" to check xserver settings |
| 00:01.37 | xcn | vtts: udev is installed. |
| 00:01.57 | xcn | "newest version" |
| 00:02.24 | vtts | all i can say "check the logs & stuff", since i know very little about it |
| 00:02.57 | vtts | does your kernel need initrd? |
| 00:03.11 | xcn | i don't know it's the stock debian kernel |
| 00:03.18 | Bushmills | xcn: does fdisk -l show a partition which was supposed to be hda2? |
| 00:03.19 | xcn | my self compiled kernels do not use initrd |
| 00:03.42 | xcn | Bushmills: it actually shows /dev/hda2 |
| 00:04.04 | xcn | (but i booted the older kernel now) |
| 00:04.05 | Bushmills | what file system is that? |
| 00:04.14 | xcn | ext2 |
| 00:04.24 | xcn | ID 83 |
| 00:04.24 | vtts | xcn, so you shouldn't worry about the grub message, grub only states that it found an initrd image for a stock kernel |
| 00:04.45 | xcn | vtts, i see, thanks. |
| 00:05.23 | xcn | It seems grub takes care about this UUID issue with newer kernels |
| 00:05.34 | latenite | vtts, thanks...that helped a lot :9 |
| 00:05.43 | xcn | is this UUID passing maybe an issue? |
| 00:05.49 | latenite | where can I see an apache error log? |
| 00:06.01 | vtts | latenite, /var/log/apache2/ |
| 00:06.01 | xcn | latenite: /var/log/apache ? |
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| 00:06.22 | vtts | xcn, UUID shouldn't affect udev |
| 00:06.28 | xcn | ack |
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| 00:07.07 | vtts | but it may be the other way arround, if udev doesn't create the proper devices |
| 00:07.36 | vtts | are there any errors during startup? |
| 00:07.40 | latenite | vtts, xcn thanks :) |
| 00:08.08 | xcn | latenite: np |
| 00:08.37 | latenite | xcn, do you know some about httpd? |
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| 00:09.09 | vtts | xcn, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README maybe this can help |
| 00:09.19 | xcn | latenite: i only know httpd from openwrt and similar installations |
| 00:09.28 | vtts | check if everything is as it should be |
| 00:09.34 | Bushmills | if that's the kernel you compiled yourself which fails to show /dev/hdx devices .. have you included IDE support in that kernel? |
| 00:09.56 | xcn | vtts, thanks, i'll give it a read |
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| 00:10.29 | xcn | Bushmills: the self compiled one works fine.. it's the stock kernel which has no /dev/hda entries. |
| 00:10.51 | xcn | (or better: does not boot at all) |
| 00:11.34 | bloor | what means "stock" kernel? |
| 00:11.55 | bloor | deb kernel? |
| 00:12.27 | xcn | linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 2.6.32-27 |
| 00:12.54 | xcn | yep |
| 00:13.08 | vtts | xcn, try calling update-initramfs for the debian kernel |
| 00:13.48 | Diytto | hello |
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| 00:18.12 | xcn | update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-5-486 :( |
| 00:18.16 | xcn | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 00:18.18 | xcn | /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//lilo: 15: lilo: not found |
| 00:18.21 | xcn | run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//lilo exited with return code 127 |
| 00:18.34 | xcn | I've actually uninstalled lilo. |
| 00:18.46 | xcn | and i see a double / |
| 00:22.43 | xcn | a -d (delete) and -c (create) afterwards completed without errors. |
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| 00:23.17 | vtts | xcn, might be some lilo config files left, check with: dpkg -L lilo |
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| 00:26.21 | xcn | the stock kernel seems not to recognize the harddisc at all, it seems only to see the cdrom drive. |
| 00:26.22 | vtts | "apt-get purge lilo" would remove them, but a lilo.conf backup wouldn't hurt |
| 00:27.06 | vtts | even after MAKEDEV hda ? |
| 00:27.34 | xcn | vtts, no, i mean when booting the new kernel. |
| 00:27.47 | vtts | dmesg ? |
| 00:27.51 | xcn | the old kernel sees hda after your "MAKEDEV hda" trick |
| 00:28.10 | xcn | dmesg ? |
| 00:28.28 | karlpinc | xcn: You do not want to rely on device names. Instead use uuids or filesystem labels. |
| 00:28.29 | vtts | if there are messages in dmesg about hda, kernel sees it |
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| 00:28.46 | karlpinc | xcn: dmesg is a command |
| 00:29.11 | xcn | sure there are |
| 00:29.20 | xcn | hda1 hda2 hda3 |
| 00:29.29 | xcn | (all partitions) |
| 00:29.31 | vtts | the problem is with udev, which doesn't create necessary files in /dev |
| 00:29.48 | xcn | i see, but what to do? |
| 00:30.21 | xcn | i've already reinstalled udev |
| 00:30.32 | xcn | maybe a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:30.40 | vtts | daemon is running? |
| 00:31.07 | xcn | yup |
| 00:31.10 | xcn | udevd --daemon |
| 00:31.44 | vtts | are there any errors during startup from initrd or rc scripts? |
| 00:32.22 | karlpinc | xcn: Why do you want those particular device names? |
| 00:34.06 | vtts | i'm going to sleep, good luck xcn |
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| 00:34.49 | epeen | is there a PDF reader for consoles? |
| 00:35.07 | karlpinc | epeen: You can turn pdf to text. |
| 00:35.23 | epeen | even better. |
| 00:35.30 | xcn | gnight vtts, thanks! |
| 00:35.33 | franki^ | (Sort of) |
| 00:35.46 | xcn | karlpinc: you mean hdaN ? |
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| 00:36.23 | karlpinc | epeen: xpdf-utils has something. There are others. I forget what works best. |
| 00:36.28 | karlpinc | xcn: Yes. |
| 00:36.45 | xcn | it's not really that i want them, more that they are the ones i'm used to and seem to be necessary for the system to work properly |
| 00:37.05 | epeen | karlpinc: is there a way to batch convert ? |
| 00:37.33 | xcn | I'm off now too |
| 00:37.40 | xcn | gnight guys! |
| 00:37.48 | karlpinc | xcn: The names change. What used to be hda turns into sda, and so on. Which is why you use either uuids or filesystem labels. You can write your own rules to make symlinks with the names you want, but why? |
| 00:39.12 | karlpinc | epeen: You can write a bash for loop, or use xargs, or perhaps the command takes multiple arguments. |
| 00:40.20 | epeen | maybe it'd just be simpler to just read the PDF from the file itself rather than coverting it. |
| 00:40.48 | Smirnov | is there any way to nfs mount with a different user id? :-\ |
| 00:41.04 | Smirnov | i'm using the kernel nfs not the userspace one |
| 00:41.16 | franki^ | I actually wrote a bash script to convert a few hundred PDFs at work once, it took me about two minutes and I don't know anything about bash :) |
| 00:41.30 | karlpinc | epeen: What do you mean? No need to create an intermediate file. Just pipe the result to less. |
| 00:42.10 | epeen | it's not the space i'm worried about, i have ample amount of space. |
| 00:42.32 | epeen | it's just... i'm running on a 1.8Ghz Sempron. :/ |
| 00:43.02 | karlpinc | epeen: It should still produce results faster than you can notice. |
| 00:45.11 | Bushmills | epeen: fbi can display graphic files and pdf files on frame buffer consoles |
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| 00:45.28 | Bushmills | though its pdf capabilities are not exactly great |
| 00:45.47 | epeen | i'm not the FBI. :V |
| 00:46.48 | Bushmills | "frame buffer image viewer" |
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| 00:53.13 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:53.15 | epeen | ugh |
| 00:53.18 | epeen | windows. |
| 00:53.20 | lenswipe | can you guys explain this? |
| 00:53.21 | epeen | facepalms. |
| 00:53.23 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:/home/lenswipe/shoutcast# ls |
| 00:53.23 | lenswipe | README.TXT sc_serv sc_serv.conf |
| 00:53.23 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:/home/lenswipe/shoutcast# ./sc_serv sc_serv.conf |
| 00:53.25 | lenswipe | bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory |
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| 00:54.52 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas? |
| 00:56.46 | franki^ | Use pastebin? |
| 00:57.39 | lenswipe | ok\y |
| 00:57.57 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/Kjm5MHZk |
| 00:59.45 | lenswipe | any more ideas? |
| 00:59.50 | lenswipe | shoutcast wont run |
| 00:59.58 | lenswipe | it says its not found when it clearly is |
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| 01:03.02 | eAndrius | lenswipe: sc_serv should be executable |
| 01:03.23 | lenswipe | eAndrius, i know, but its not for some reason |
| 01:03.30 | lenswipe | eAndrius, ive already given it +x |
| 01:03.51 | eAndrius | with chmod u+x ? |
| 01:05.03 | shalok | I have both KDE and Gnome installed. How do I select which one is used when I start my X server? |
| 01:05.17 | lenswipe | eAndrius, ill try that |
| 01:05.34 | lenswipe | same |
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| 01:08.36 | franki^ | shalok: Configure GDM or KDM, whichever you use. |
| 01:09.38 | shalok | franki^: I don't use either? |
| 01:09.43 | shalok | franki^: I just type startx |
| 01:10.47 | franki^ | shalok: In that case you should know better! Check man startx, I think it's .xinitrc you want to change |
| 01:12.39 | franki^ | shalok: Oh, although, possibly there's a way with update-alternatives too, unfortunately I''m not at my machine to test at the moment... |
| 01:13.12 | franki^ | shalok: Or you can use xsession too, IIRC. |
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| 01:18.52 | Tekk_ | if I have an SD card reader should I be able to read MMDs too? |
| 01:19.03 | Tekk_ | MMC* |
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| 01:33.38 | manchot | are there any native speakers out there? please take a look at #debian-offtopic, I have a question about an English expression. |
| 01:34.02 | Tekk_ | manchot: native speaker of american english here |
| 01:34.18 | manchot | Tekk_, thank you. can I msg you? |
| 01:34.24 | Tekk_ | shoot |
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| 01:37.23 | Bop | why cant i burn a dvd at 1x , it says always 4x ? |
| 01:37.59 | Tekk_ | Bop: because your program knows that no sane person would want to burn a dvd at 1x? :P |
| 01:38.26 | Bop | i though i could had control of the speed |
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| 01:41.37 | Tekk_ | is there a package for cross compiling for ARM? |
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| 01:42.40 | franki^ | Bop: There are many different ways to burn DVDs, I'm sure you could find a way to burn at 1xx if you really wanted to, but I don't see what good it would do anyone |
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| 01:44.23 | Bop | cdrecord speed=1 |
| 01:44.26 | Bop | doesnt work |
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| 01:46.05 | Azrael- | Whenever I unplug my laptop from the ethernet port and then plug it back in again at a later time, it won't reconnect to the network (or, at the very least, I'm not sure how to make it do so). |
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| 01:46.40 | Azrael- | Also, the NetworkManager applet says it's not managing my connection, whereas I'd rather it was. |
| 01:46.43 | Azrael- | What can I do about this? |
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| 01:47.34 | wide | Azrael-, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 01:49.20 | Tekk_ | is there a package for compiling for armel? |
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| 01:52.17 | Azrael- | Nope, that doesn't appear to bring the interface back up again, wide |
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| 01:54.35 | wide | Azrael-, what's ifconfig say before/after... |
| 01:55.53 | Diytto | Can someone help me with a bash script? |
| 01:56.03 | Tekk_ | maybe |
| 01:56.04 | Diytto | How do i ask a question for a user to answet |
| 01:56.08 | Diytto | Answer* |
| 01:56.17 | Tekk_ | Diytto: echo Message |
| 01:56.21 | Tekk_ | Diytto: read variable |
| 01:56.25 | Diytto | Its like question -p "blah" answer |
| 01:56.34 | Tekk_ | hmm? |
| 01:56.39 | Diytto | If answer == blah |
| 01:56.40 | Diytto | Then |
| 01:56.47 | Diytto | You know what i mean? |
| 01:56.56 | Tekk_ | you want it to be arguments? |
| 01:57.05 | Diytto | Ummmm |
| 01:57.29 | Diytto | Well what i really want it to do is ask a yes or no question |
| 01:57.33 | Tekk_ | or do you want to print the question then read the answer? |
| 01:57.48 | Diytto | Ok for an example |
| 01:57.59 | Tekk_ | in which case you want echo, read, and if [ "$foo" == "y" ] |
| 01:58.16 | Diytto | You know in apt-get when it asks you to upgrade a package and it says [y/n/c] |
| 01:58.22 | Diytto | Thats what i want |
| 01:58.31 | Kreol | case |
| 01:58.50 | Diytto | Sure? |
| 01:58.59 | robokop | PS2="question string" [y/n/c] read answer |
| 01:59.14 | Diytto | Whats the PS2 for? |
| 01:59.21 | robokop | sorry |
| 01:59.27 | robokop | PS2="question string [y/n/c]" read answer |
| 01:59.36 | Kreol | echo the question, read the variable and use case to handle |
| 01:59.37 | robokop | PS2 is the prompt string |
| 02:00.02 | Diytto | Ah |
| 02:00.26 | Diytto | So then i would do |
| 02:00.32 | Diytto | If answer == y |
| 02:00.34 | Diytto | Then |
| 02:00.37 | Diytto | Do something |
| 02:00.39 | Diytto | Right? |
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| 02:01.25 | mhi^ | Diytto: a() { echo -n "Answer: "; read var; [[ $var == "zonk" ]] && echo "Right answer" || echo "Loser"; } |
| 02:01.25 | Tekk_ | ah, better question. How do I install the tools to cross compile an armel linux from squeeze x64? |
| 02:01.37 | Diytto | :O |
| 02:01.58 | Diytto | mhi^: I have no idea what that all means |
| 02:02.08 | Diytto | I like robokop's more |
| 02:02.11 | mhi^ | put that in your shell and execute just "a" afterwards |
| 02:02.28 | Azrael- | wide: http://pastebin.com/KXZ4mYND |
| 02:02.43 | Diytto | mhi^: Its part of a larger script |
| 02:03.00 | mhi^ | what? |
| 02:04.07 | Diytto | mhi^: So how would i run just a |
| 02:04.20 | mhi^ | by typing "a" |
| 02:04.52 | Diytto | Lolk |
| 02:04.58 | mhi^ | and c/p the line I mentioned in your shell before |
| 02:06.32 | Diytto | Aha found what i wanted ;) |
| 02:06.35 | Diytto | Read -p |
| 02:06.36 | Diytto | Lol |
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| 02:07.00 | Kreol | [02:56:18] <Tekk_> Diytto: read variable |
| 02:07.08 | Diytto | ^^^ :) |
| 02:07.26 | mhi^ | *plonk* |
| 02:07.58 | Diytto | LOL |
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| 02:10.33 | I-are- | how do I set the digital clock in the lower right corner of the lxde environment? |
| 02:11.05 | I-are- | I tried hwclock and that had no affect, maybe xclock? |
| 02:11.24 | Kreol | date |
| 02:11.52 | Kreol | If you want it exact: ntpdate |
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| 02:13.53 | Diytto | Crap |
| 02:13.57 | Diytto | Its not working |
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| 02:14.43 | Diytto | pastie.org/1278334 |
| 02:14.50 | Diytto | What did i do worng |
| 02:14.53 | Diytto | Wrong* |
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| 02:15.37 | high-rez | I've managed to really hose something up with my grub install. If I wanted to rip grub out and reinstall it - is there a way to do this? E.g. I've tried apt-get remove grub* and then reinstall grub-pc - but grub-mkconfig still isn't there. |
| 02:15.54 | thepro4ever | what apps can i use to open up pdfs on debian, i particularly interested in ones that let me highlight and copy text out of the document |
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| 02:16.29 | Diytto | Hey guys what did i do wrong in this http://pastie.org/1278334 |
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| 02:16.57 | high-rez | And more importantly, is it possible just to drop grub 2 all together and go back to 0.9x? :) |
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| 02:17.22 | Diytto | Wb Kreol |
| 02:17.37 | Kreol | Thx. Damn X :/ |
| 02:17.46 | Diytto | mhi^: http://pastie.org/1278334 what did i do wrong lol |
| 02:17.55 | hell_razer | Diytto: one = |
| 02:18.03 | Diytto | Ah |
| 02:18.11 | Diytto | Then is it good or do i need done fi also |
| 02:19.35 | Azrael- | thepro4ever, evince? |
| 02:20.16 | Diytto | hell_razer: What else do i need |
| 02:20.25 | Diytto | I made it 1 = |
| 02:21.08 | Kreol | There4 is missing a fi/endif |
| 02:21.19 | Kreol | -4 |
| 02:21.38 | Diytto | I just need fi |
| 02:21.40 | Diytto | Not done |
| 02:21.53 | thepro4ever | Azrael-: i tried it but when you copy paste it pastes all weird |
| 02:21.59 | Diytto | Omg it worked |
| 02:22.29 | thepro4ever | Azrael-: like it doesn't paste with all the same spaces as in the pdf document and its taking alot of work to correct it all |
| 02:22.52 | Azrael- | thepro4ever, adobe reader has problems with that too |
| 02:23.06 | Azrael- | the issue is that what you see in the pdf documents isn't necessarily how it's internally stored in the pdf |
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| 02:23.54 | shalok | Is modifying inittab the best way of changing the default runlevel in debian? |
| 02:25.46 | Kreol | shalok: Its the easiest way |
| 02:26.09 | Diytto | Ok pastebin.com/LNeeeAet |
| 02:26.16 | Diytto | It not working yet |
| 02:26.26 | shalok | Kreol: Will it just get nuked if I reinstall kdm or gdm? |
| 02:26.38 | Kreol | No |
| 02:26.54 | JyZyXEL | anyone using PERC5's on stable? |
| 02:27.11 | Diytto | How do i get http://pastebin.com/LNeeeAet to work |
| 02:27.28 | shalok | Kreol: How does debian know not to change it when I install kdm/gdm? |
| 02:28.51 | Kreol | shalok: No WM (kdm/gdm) change the entry in /etc/inittab |
| 02:29.06 | Kreol | Take 2 and every WM will find it |
| 02:29.41 | wide | thepro4ever, kpdf can copy/paste text or select/paste image of text, then there are the pdf utilities, search apt/synaptic for pdf, there are a lot of utilities for editing,cracking, splitting pdfs and transform into txt, ps, html, other |
| 02:30.34 | shalok | Kreol: Does that mean that runlevel is always 2 regardless with a WM is installed or not? |
| 02:32.30 | Kreol | Yes |
| 02:33.04 | hell_razer | Diytto: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/1340/ |
| 02:33.53 | Kreol | RL2 (standard) gives support for X and other things (network...). |
| 02:34.19 | Kreol | regardlessness of the WM |
| 02:35.55 | Diytto | hell_razer: Thx |
| 02:36.14 | shalok | Kreol: I was trying to prevent the WM from running at startup, but I think now runlevel is not the right way to do this. |
| 02:37.10 | shalok | Kreol: What is the proper way to avoid running WM even if they are installed? |
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| 02:38.36 | Kreol | RL is _one_ way. Config of your WM the other. Third your X-settings |
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| 02:45.53 | shalok | Kreol: What do you mean by "Config of your WM"? |
| 02:45.56 | Kreol | If you really can't find an answer boot with "single". No Network, no X, no sense but buxfixing |
| 02:46.37 | Kreol | Look at your /etc. Which WM do you use? |
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| 02:47.43 | shalok | the x-window-manager link points to metacity |
| 02:48.25 | Kreol | Just to avoid X take "single" at bootup |
| 02:48.53 | shalok | Yeah I got that, I was just wondering about the other options. |
| 02:49.19 | Kreol | But I think your problems are deaper. Whats your intent? |
| 02:49.44 | shalok | I don't have any problems, I'm just experimenting. |
| 02:49.56 | shalok | I was wondering how to prevent the gdm/kdm from running at startup. |
| 02:50.21 | shalok | I used to get consoles, but since I installed gnome/kde I get DM instead. |
| 02:51.11 | Kreol | RL is the first, but in RL1 you can't start X with startx, if you want to |
| 02:51.25 | thepro4ever | wide: kpdf sucks at it too |
| 02:51.40 | Kreol | You could remove the startscripts in /etc/init.d... |
| 02:51.49 | Kreol | But there is no sense |
| 02:52.28 | shalok | I suppose I could disable gdm/kdm in one of the multi-user runlevels and set that runlevel to be my default. |
| 02:52.48 | Kreol | Default is set in inittab... |
| 02:52.56 | shalok | Is there any difference between the stock 2-5 runlevels or are they just there for the site admin to modify? |
| 02:54.11 | Kreol | look at wikipedia. 1 and 6 are confirm, others are others... |
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| 02:54.38 | Kreol | In Debian 2 is default: X, network and other |
| 02:55.25 | Kreol | You could define an own RL, perhaps 5, its unused afaik |
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| 02:56.29 | Dsbeerf | Hello i have a dedicated server on debian and also a rsa securid <pinpad> type and i would like to know if is there a way to link my pinpad to my debian server so i can use my pinpad to log on |
| 02:56.35 | Dsbeerf | anyone know ?? |
| 02:57.07 | Kreol | shalok: See your /etc/init.d and your init.d. Its all possible ;) |
| 02:57.27 | Kreol | s/init.d/inittab |
| 02:59.02 | karlpinc | Dsbeerf: It'd be a pam thing. There is a pam module for an identity token device.... |
| 02:59.13 | Kreol | It ist easy to build an own RL. But whatfore? |
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| 03:00.12 | Dsbeerf | karlpinc: ok well a package ? |
| 03:00.37 | shalok | Kreol: Well I wont build one from scratch. |
| 03:00.44 | shalok | Kreol: In debian 2-5 are all identical. |
| 03:01.05 | shalok | Kreol: So I'll just disable kdm/gdm in one of them and set that as my default. |
| 03:01.05 | karlpinc | shalok: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 03:01.09 | wide | thepro4ever, kpdf works for simpler docs. Docs more heavily formatted, especially with proprietary apps you may have trouble with using simple utilities like kpdf or even adobe reader |
| 03:01.32 | karlpinc | shalok: See also the debian policy manual. |
| 03:02.01 | Kreol | shalok: Thats one way. Don't take 2-4... |
| 03:02.17 | Kreol | Defaults... |
| 03:02.41 | wide | thepro4ever, try kpdf on other docs before dismissing it outright, meanwhile, search like I said in apt/synaptic for other pdf tools, the best luck I've had with complex docs is pdf2ps, edit the ps, then ps2pdf back, print, etc. some complex docs just won't work with the utils I know |
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| 03:06.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any docs or wikis about installing newer versions of packages from testing inside of stable? So I know what risks are involved like breaking the system or consequences of doing so? |
| 03:06.52 | Dsbeerf | karlpinc: for pam rsa you mean is a package or the agent ?? |
| 03:06.55 | wide | thepro4ever, here's the list of 29 pdf commands available to me after I downloaded whatever utils I could find that contained pdf in the package name. a large number of the commands were extracted from a small number of actual packages: http://pastebin.com/3dJpHK1Q |
| 03:07.58 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, you can try to use the --divert options & some strange ignore of conflicts (using divert u can for say treat "/" -> "/opt"(diverted)) |
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| 03:09.52 | wide | Azrael-, l took a look at your ifconfig, confirmed, the interface isn't coming up (but at least ethernet is still there). I can only suggest simple things, make sure the ethernet port light lights up after plugging in the ethernet cord, prior to /etc/init.d/networking restart. sometimes the plug is very stiff when newish and the contact sucks, you have to wiggle it to light the port on the laptop after disconnection |
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| 03:10.38 | karlpinc | shalok: You should probably change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to contain /bin/true (or some variant of that that runs forever) and leave it at that. |
| 03:11.33 | karlpinc | yagoo: Better to tell him about backports and <ssb>. |
| 03:13.24 | yagoo | karlpinc, the idea i gave is repo-independent.. |
| 03:13.43 | yagoo | karlpinc, he wants to use divergence.. |
| 03:13.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | its still the wrong answer to his question |
| 03:14.03 | yagoo | no it's the right one.. An advanced question.. so an advanced answer.. |
| 03:14.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. 'use divert' is not the answer to 'are there docs' |
| 03:15.15 | yagoo | beats me.. he doesn't have to listen to you newbs.. There are no docs. Best answer still. |
| 03:15.29 | yagoo | -_- |
| 03:16.34 | shalok | If X is running and I switch from console 7 to 1 and then 7 again all I see is a black screen. Shouldn't X reappear? |
| 03:17.02 | shalok | I don't see any errors on console that I ran startx from or the X server log. |
| 03:17.10 | Kreol | It should |
| 03:17.13 | yagoo | shalok, yeah.. try turning off any fbdev's.. |
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| 03:19.53 | shalok | yagoo: Actually I don't think I'm using fbdev? How do I check? |
| 03:20.48 | shalok | My consoles look pretty crap. I think they're just running in text mode. |
| 03:21.17 | yagoo | shalok, dmesg|grep -i fb , or lsmod |grep -i fb |
| 03:21.53 | yagoo | shalok, it wuold be loaded before X starts |
| 03:21.59 | yagoo | shalok, but isn't part of X |
| 03:23.00 | yagoo | is trying out ubuntu unity in vbox heheh |
| 03:24.32 | Kreol | [04:20:45] <shalok> My consoles look pretty crap. I think they're just running in text mode. <-- All (virtual) consoles are "only" in text mode. What do you mean? |
| 03:25.15 | shalok | yagoo: Ok, so I don't have any fb's. |
| 03:25.27 | shalok | yagoo: But I figured out my 'problem'. |
| 03:25.42 | shalok | yagoo: Apparently my X is running on display 8 instead of 7. |
| 03:27.36 | karlpinc | yagoo: Then the best answer is "don't do that it will break things and we don't support it". |
| 03:27.39 | yagoo | Kreol, i smell troll-- "<shalok> Kreol: In debian 2-5 are all identical." |
| 03:27.59 | yagoo | ignores karlpinc -- been more than 15 minutes ago I spoke about that |
| 03:28.27 | Kreol | yagoo: *clap* |
| 03:28.30 | karlpinc | has a longer attention span |
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| 03:29.23 | yagoo | Kreol, I like to help people who are making effort knowing. People who guess and state it should learn new curves... |
| 03:29.30 | shalok | yagoo: Are you implying that there is a difference between runlevels 2-5? |
| 03:29.33 | yagoo | Kreol, then i get a second opinion about them.. |
| 03:29.50 | yagoo | LOL |
| 03:30.00 | yagoo | shalok, am I implying? Don't ask me. |
| 03:30.24 | Kreol | yagoo: look at WP ;P |
| 03:30.56 | yagoo | Kreol, eh |
| 03:31.09 | Kreol | Debian != other Distros in RL |
| 03:31.10 | yagoo | checks out ubuntu unity |
| 03:31.27 | Kreol | *buntu != Debian |
| 03:31.53 | yagoo | yyy.. wondering what the fuss is about.. (am relating to my #ubuntu channel for discussion about it) |
| 03:32.28 | Kreol | Relate to and you will see |
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| 03:37.39 | Kreol | Only bouncer, bots, trolls here? wtf is yagoo? |
| 03:38.46 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.58 | streuner_ | gone... |
| 03:39.58 | Kreol | Seen... |
| 03:41.26 | Kreol | Btw: Message here: "[04:34:48] <-- yagoo hat den Server verlassen.". Not "[04:38:42] <streuner_> yagoo hat die Verbindung getrennt ()"... ;P |
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| 03:42.16 | Kreol | explanations? |
| 03:44.11 | shalok | When I log out of an X session, GDM restarts a different display, why? |
| 03:44.56 | shalok | It seems to select one of displays 7, 8 or 9. |
| 03:46.20 | streuner_ | Kreol: what IRC client do you use? |
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| 03:47.05 | Kreol | streuner_: konversation. Why? |
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| 03:47.51 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 03:47.55 | streuner_ | Kreol: well, i use X-Chat... |
| 03:48.35 | Kreol | Same as the other. Both are workable |
| 03:48.54 | Kreol | Why do you ask? |
| 03:49.07 | Azrael_- | how do you take it with updating the packages? i always fear a "apt-get upgrade" will break sth and cause me more work... can you give me some suggestions? |
| 03:49.37 | streuner_ | You saw a difference between the left-message of yagoo? |
| 03:50.49 | Rusty1 | shalok: how do you log out of the X session? |
| 03:50.50 | streuner_ | Azrael-: if you using testing/unstable install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges? |
| 03:50.56 | Kreol | between the left-message and what? |
| 03:51.07 | Azrael_- | streuner_: no, only stable |
| 03:51.14 | streuner_ | well |
| 03:51.34 | streuner_ | judd, versions apt-listbugs |
| 03:51.36 | judd | Package apt-listbugs on i386 -- etch: 0.0.69; lenny: 0.0.89; sid: 0.1.3; squeeze: 0.1.3 |
| 03:51.54 | streuner_ | Azrael-: well, install it too then |
| 03:51.55 | Kreol | Azrael_-: Take aptitude, apt-get is predecated |
| 03:52.36 | Azrael_- | Kreol: tried aptitude some years ago when i started using debian but dropped it as i didn't get along with it |
| 03:53.15 | Kreol | Azrael_-: "Some years ago"... ;) |
| 03:53.18 | Azrael_- | streuner_: "install it too then"? |
| 03:53.53 | Azrael_- | dunno when i tried it last but i can hardly remember anything about it beside i didn't figure it out how to use it properly |
| 03:54.56 | streuner_ | Azrael-: einfach apt-listbugs auch installieren |
| 03:55.21 | Azrael_- | kk |
| 03:55.39 | shalok | Rusty1: Using gnome's system->log out. |
| 03:56.08 | Kreol | streuner_: keep english please |
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| 03:59.40 | Rusty1 | shalok: anything in any of the /var/log/gdm or Xorg logs to sugggest anything? |
| 04:04.16 | Azrael- | oh man |
| 04:04.18 | Azrael- | names = confusing |
| 04:04.23 | Azrael- | Azrael-, Azrael_- |
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| 04:04.55 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 04:04.57 | Kreol | and streuner comes double... |
| 04:04.58 | Azrael_- | oh yeah |
| 04:05.48 | streuner | with his ghost :-P |
| 04:06.43 | Kreol | ghosts are usefull. /me looks out |
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| 04:07.49 | shalok | Rusty1: No errors, no important warnings. However xorg/gdm have logs for both :0 and :1 which seems strange. |
| 04:07.51 | Kreol | 645 users at #debian. Lets have a look |
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| 04:10.39 | stpierrc | I installed Debian-Testing and now have a problem with grub2 not finding the partition. I can see he partition with gparted and can mount it/ chroot to it with sysresccd. Does /boot need to be ext2? |
| 04:10.50 | phorce1 | why are we discussing ghosts? |
| 04:10.57 | phorce1_home | why not |
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| 04:11.49 | phorce1_home | stpierrc: what fs is on it? |
| 04:12.00 | Rusty1 | shalok: did this start happening after installing a package, or is this a new install anything like that? |
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| 04:14.48 | shalok | Rusty1: Only installed this machine yesterday, so I don't really have any baseline to compare against. |
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| 04:16.47 | Kreol | Hi stpierrc: Do you want to ask or want to quit? |
| 04:17.20 | Kreol | hopping... |
| 04:17.26 | stpierrc | I want to ask but am trying to quit some other channels |
| 04:18.05 | Kreol | k |
| 04:18.26 | Kreol | [05:10:36] <stpierrc> I installed Debian-Testing and now have a problem with grub2 not finding the partition. I can see he partition with gparted and can mount it/ chroot to it with sysresccd. Does /boot need to be ext2? |
| 04:18.29 | Kreol | No |
| 04:18.52 | Kreol | [05:11:46] <phorce1_home> stpierrc: what fs is on it? |
| 04:19.12 | Rusty1 | shalok: describe your hardware, and paste the output of ps-aux somewhere |
| 04:19.18 | stpierrc | Any idea on how to fix grub2 so it will boot from sda12? |
| 04:21.02 | Kreol | Any messages? |
| 04:21.44 | stpierrc | sda13 = /boot and is ext3, sda12 = / and is ext4 the only msg at boot is patition not found |
| 04:21.54 | Kreol | search man -k grub |
| 04:22.13 | stpierrc | Thank you for your help |
| 04:22.33 | Kreol | There is an answer like "grub-ubdate" or so |
| 04:22.40 | Kreol | s/b/p |
| 04:23.01 | Kreol | Myself got no Grub 2, sorrry |
| 04:23.01 | stpierrc | What is s/b/p ? |
| 04:23.14 | Kreol | sed |
| 04:23.33 | stpierrc | Ok thanks |
| 04:23.45 | phorce1_home | he meant grub-uPdate rather than grub-uBdate |
| 04:24.03 | somiaj | unforntally it would only replace the first be and you'll have grup-ubdate |
| 04:24.25 | phorce1_home | yeah, I wasn't gonna go there ;-) |
| 04:24.42 | Kreol | sed clear? |
| 04:25.03 | phorce1_home | s/bd/pd/ |
| 04:25.10 | Kreol | Where are the pewople to explain "grub-setupo |
| 04:25.16 | Kreol | -o |
| 04:25.19 | Kreol | " |
| 04:25.59 | phorce1_home | had no major issues with the update to squeeze so he's not much help |
| 04:26.27 | phorce1_home | also doesnt have a drive split into 13 (or more) partitions |
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| 04:27.05 | JRWR | I'm looking for a easy method to edit a INI type config file from the console (like just putting ./editini sectiona/userid theone ) anyone know of such a program / script? |
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| 04:28.05 | Kreol | /boot/grub/menu.lst? Don't know what you mean... |
| 04:28.08 | phorce1_home | sed |
| 04:28.20 | phorce1_home | JRWR: ^^ |
| 04:29.04 | Kreol | vi(d)? |
| 04:29.50 | JRWR | wait where did $3 sneak into my text box :( |
| 04:29.57 | Kreol | Very strange yet. Bootloader or Texteditor? |
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| 04:42.39 | davekong | what are the commands to manually apply a patch from a debian source package? |
| 04:45.19 | remu | Hey folks, when I installed debian, I installed gnome-desktop-environment, however, I now wish to remove certain packages, such as evolution, but i cant seem to because gnome-desktop-environment depends on it. Any suggestions? |
| 04:45.51 | Kreol | "aptitude update" && "aptitude safe-upgrade". What do yoe mean with "patch"? |
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| 04:46.22 | davekong | cvs-context.diff |
| 04:46.31 | davekong | from glibc-source |
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| 04:47.47 | somiaj | remu: gnome-desktop-enviorment is just a meta package that all it does is pull in dependencies |
| 04:48.12 | Kreol | remu: There are the libs,,, |
| 04:48.12 | somiaj | remu: there is no problem with just removing the meta package if you don't want what debian consideres the complete enviorment but only bits and pieces of it |
| 04:48.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | davekong: using the 'patch' command? |
| 04:48.48 | remu | I said yes to remove the package, however, that wanted to remove the rest of the packages it had pulled in as well, and I definitely don't want that! |
| 04:48.58 | davekong | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah alright |
| 04:49.15 | somiaj | remu: what is the command your running, 'apitude remove evolution' |
| 04:49.34 | remu | aptitude purge evolution |
| 04:49.49 | Kreol | remu: purge != uninstall |
| 04:49.51 | somiaj | either way, it should only be removing packages that depend on evolution |
| 04:49.55 | remu | which says that i can't unless I remove gnome-desktop-evolution |
| 04:50.09 | somiaj | yes you'll want to remove that because of dependencies |
| 04:50.25 | remu | but when I say yes, it wants to remove all other packages too |
| 04:50.41 | Kreol | Dont use purge |
| 04:50.51 | remu | It does that even when I use remove instead of purge |
| 04:50.53 | Kreol | remove or uninstall |
| 04:53.08 | remu | Kreol: remove is causing the same behaviour. |
| 04:53.54 | somiaj | in all three cases you will have to remove everything that depends on 'evolution' -- can you put the output of 'aptitude remove evolution' in a pastebin and tell us which packages you don't want it to uninstall |
| 04:54.32 | remu | okay |
| 04:55.21 | remu | http://pastebin.com/iTSxFN4Q |
| 04:56.44 | Kreol | 0 p0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.ackages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:56.57 | Kreol | Where is the problem? |
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| 04:58.46 | remu | Kreol: It asks me if the solution is acceptable, if I say yes, then it wants to remove that long list of packages. |
| 04:59.02 | remu | If I say no, it says that the solution is to keep evolution. |
| 04:59.06 | voss749 | How long does squeeze freeze last? |
| 04:59.08 | remu | If I say no again, it says no more solutions. |
| 05:00.23 | Kreol | Then there are no other solutions. keep evolution or skip gnome |
| 05:00.40 | remu | Kreol: If I say yes, line 73 shows that 200 packages will be removed. |
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| 05:02.24 | Kreol | dirty way: copy the configs of gnome in /home, remove evolution and the dependencies, reinstall gnome and the configs |
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| 05:02.46 | remu | is there a non-dirty way? lol |
| 05:02.58 | tanlaan | Hello everyone. |
| 05:02.59 | Kreol | Li |
| 05:03.13 | Kreol | Live with evolution |
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| 05:03.42 | Kreol | Costs: $0 ;) |
| 05:03.43 | remu | Yeah, I think that's what I will do. |
| 05:04.08 | remu | It does! I just find that sometimes I'm OCD about things like this. |
| 05:04.15 | remu | Lol. |
| 05:04.31 | Kreol | Go clear |
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| 05:07.44 | Kreol | Hi tanlaan |
| 05:07.52 | tanlaan | I've currently got an Eee pc 900a running debian. I'm currently only running with X and stumpwm. I have a problem, I can connect using iwconfig and dhclient on my home network which has a WEP key, but cannot connect to other routers. The 4 others I have tried have been a mix of WEP and open, all to no avail. Can anyone shed some light on a possible solution? :/ |
| 05:09.54 | Kreol | Oops. Dont know your system but have a look at known_hosts |
| 05:10.55 | Kreol | What is the meaning of "all not avail"? Error-messages would be fine |
| 05:12.22 | tanlaan | It was "all to no avail." It means I tried connecting with iwconfig, then using dhclient to get an ip assigned via DHCP from the router but it won't connect to anything other than my home router. |
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| 05:17.21 | Kreol | Sry, don't know a message "all to not avail.". Perhaps another user |
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| 05:23.58 | Kreol | , |
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| 05:27.54 | tanlaan | It's not a message, it literally means to fail repeatedly. |
| 05:30.28 | Kreol | its easier to handle messages than descriptions |
| 05:32.12 | Kreol | terms helps... |
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| 05:36.12 | sechrist | hey guys -- how can I automate answers to questions during apt-get install? not just y/n, but prompts for strings? |
| 05:36.25 | sechrist | I tried expect but it's giving me issues with DSH since they're headless servers |
| 05:36.37 | sechrist | surely there's a way with a dpkg command? |
| 05:39.07 | Kreol | Build an install-disc. Howtos are available |
| 05:40.32 | sechrist | any other way (besides expect)? |
| 05:40.49 | Kreol | But for what. Every chicken can install Debian. Enough corn on enter ;P |
| 05:41.03 | sechrist | this is for automation for node installs in a datacenter |
| 05:41.13 | sechrist | installing chef-client with a proper chef-server url set |
| 05:41.29 | Kreol | Install-disc... |
| 05:41.41 | sechrist | bah ok |
| 05:44.36 | Kreol | Alternative: Netinstall from server... |
| 05:44.58 | Kreol | One server -> one install |
| 05:46.19 | sechrist | well we're already net installing from a server, and our preseed used to set up chef client but now we want to use the opscode repo, so we add that to the sources.list.d apt-get update, and THEN install chef-client |
| 05:46.21 | sechrist | after the preseed |
| 05:46.35 | sechrist | I'd rather not reimage a crapload of boxes just to get chef-client installed when I have dsh running |
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| 05:49.32 | eskaypey | hi |
| 05:50.04 | eskaypey | could someone please have a look at this http://pastie.org/1278513 and see if there is anything wrong |
| 05:50.13 | eskaypey | trying to setup a password less samba share |
| 05:50.15 | eskaypey | guest only |
| 05:50.31 | eskaypey | getting the following when mounting |
| 05:50.31 | eskaypey | mount error(6): No such device or address |
| 05:51.04 | eskaypey | mounting with " mount -t cifs -o guest //192.168.1.11/data /mnt/samba/" |
| 05:51.34 | Kreol | sources.list.d and apt-get? The applicable file is /etc/apt/sources.list. Here |
| 05:55.49 | Kreol | sry eskaypey, I've got no samba. Perhaps another user, still wait and see ; ) |
| 05:56.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | sechrist: why not preseed your package installs+ set a high debconf priority so it doesn't ask |
| 05:56.31 | sechrist | that would be okay if 10.04 LTS had the right chef-client package |
| 05:56.48 | sechrist | in the postinstall we're adding opscode's GPG key and their apt repo, then installing the new package |
| 05:57.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | sechrist: there is no debian 10.04 |
| 05:58.01 | sechrist | it's ubuntu heh -- same thing applies though |
| 05:58.12 | Kreol | Nope |
| 05:58.26 | sechrist | both run apt, both run dpkg |
| 05:58.52 | Kreol | But they use other packages... |
| 05:59.38 | sechrist | -sigh- not that debian's would be any newer :P |
| 06:00.01 | Kreol | *buntu is a clone of debian, but not identical |
| 06:01.16 | Kreol | sechrist: <flame_off>: rusty, ok. And not equal... |
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| 06:01.35 | sechrist | but my original question applies to both |
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| 06:01.44 | Kreol | k, go on |
| 06:02.00 | sechrist | how to automate dpkg prompts (well after installing, so a disc is out of the question), and without expect |
| 06:03.51 | sechrist | I've tried expect but it's failing with DSH |
| 06:04.53 | sechrist | in the preseed it's super easy |
| 06:05.29 | Kreol | sry, no idea ;/ |
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| 06:08.43 | Kreol | However: GN8 |
| 06:08.50 | sechrist | debconf-set-selections |
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| 06:08.51 | sechrist | !! |
| 06:08.51 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 06:13.51 | qq- | !clone |
| 06:13.52 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 06:15.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | sechrist: ubuntu patches dpkg , so no, they're not the same. |
| 06:15.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | sechrist: please keep your ubuntu quesitons in #ubuntu, or perhaps for this #ubuntu-server |
| 06:16.25 | Dantes13 | Has anyone seen an issue with KVM on Debian Lenny 64bit where the libvirtd daemon successfully starts, but the scrolling messages at boot states: Starting libvirt management daemon: libvirtd failed! Everything works fine. This is more an annoyance than anything. It's as if the script to check if libvirtd is actually running is starting too soon. |
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| 06:23.36 | Dantes13 | Anyone? |
| 06:24.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dantes13: try the bts |
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| 06:56.03 | Gokee2 | Er... "date: invalid date `Nov 7 10:00:00 PDT 2010'"... I get invalid date for every time past the DST change... How do I set my alarm for tomorrow? |
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| 07:05.21 | katsrc | hello all |
| 07:05.43 | katsrc | i was wondering how i can install KDE SC 4.5.3 or at least 4.5.2? |
| 07:05.58 | katsrc | is it even in any repositories yet? |
| 07:06.16 | qq- | !pdo |
| 07:06.16 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 07:11.54 | katsrc | looks like half and half :( |
| 07:12.42 | katsrc | is there a KDE maintainers site? |
| 07:13.28 | qq- | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:13.59 | Gokee2 | Date is just plain wrong on a GMT computer when asking for PDT dates past 2:00 today |
| 07:14.38 | Gokee2 | I think that's even worse then giving an error |
| 07:15.42 | katsrc | thanks qq |
| 07:15.47 | qq- | np |
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| 07:18.16 | Rex-- | hello |
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| 07:25.59 | jair | hello |
| 07:26.12 | jair | sorry I was just testing my irc connectiong ;) |
| 07:26.55 | simonrvn | shouldn't do it as root |
| 07:28.04 | shalok | Which debian package has Enlightenment? |
| 07:29.07 | Gokee2 | Shadur, e17 perhaps? |
| 07:29.18 | shalok | Yeah I think you're right |
| 07:29.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | search would reveal this (news at 11) |
| 07:29.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk for a while. |
| 07:30.07 | Gokee2 | shalok, You might want to learn apt-file sometime its really handy |
| 07:32.31 | shalok | Yeah I tried using the web search but I forgot to change it from name to description so I didn't get any matches. |
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| 07:55.11 | superlinux | hi all. I just wonder, is the mod_deflate of apache2 compatible with all browsers? |
| 07:55.39 | superlinux | this module should compress broadcast content |
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| 07:57.38 | _snowball | Hey guys. How to open .docx files in OpenOffice.org? |
| 08:00.52 | superlinux | does the freezing of "squeeze" mean that I can upgrade safely to squeeze? |
| 08:01.40 | superlinux | or I have to stay waiting until they say that squeeze is stable? |
| 08:03.33 | superlinux | _snowball, use openoffice 3.2 |
| 08:03.51 | collabra | superlinux: freezing squeeze just means it's debug time.... but i believe you can still upgrade,... but i could be wrong |
| 08:03.59 | simonrvn | squeeze is not stable, therefore it doesn't get regular security updates |
| 08:04.11 | amphi | superlinux: squeeze works well for me, but YMMV |
| 08:04.35 | superlinux | collabra, cos all my download quota is 3G only per month |
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| 08:04.51 | superlinux | what is "YMMV"? |
| 08:05.06 | simonrvn | !ymmv |
| 08:05.06 | dpkg | hmm... ymmv is an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary." |
| 08:05.13 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:06.22 | collabra | ahh,... well,... i still thing the squeeze repo is open for downloading.... is it stable yet,... NO.... but i defer. |
| 08:06.26 | superlinux | looks like english will be transformed into the abbreviations language with time |
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| 08:06.44 | superlinux | :) |
| 08:08.04 | cahoot | irc !rl |
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| 08:32.23 | superlinux | I have a problem running adobe flashplayer on debian lenny 64bit |
| 08:33.26 | superlinux | i used the 64bit flashplayer. it doesnot work on my 3.6.12 firefox |
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| 08:36.57 | Bushmills | that's a common problem, you're not the first one to experience that |
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| 08:38.29 | Bushmills | though with a monthly download quota of just 3 gig, i'd probably block flash altogether |
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| 08:40.38 | homie | hi peeps |
| 08:40.54 | homie | which is more stable libboost-dev or libboost-dev-1.35 ? |
| 08:41.13 | homie | i mean which one of the two is recommended 1.34 based one or the other ? |
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| 08:45.47 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My server has got one spare IDE drive used for backups. It is being used for about 3-4 hours, once a month. What would be better solution, leave it online all the time or spin it down somehow, to prolong it's life. Also, what's the best way to spin it down? |
| 08:49.13 | homie | man hdparm |
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| 08:49.25 | homie | or man sdparm |
| 08:49.33 | flamingspinach | cool - I'm running the squeeze graphical installer and try to install some non-free firmware, but the EULA for the firmware covers the entire screen and I can't see the accept or deny buttons! :o |
| 08:49.50 | hid3 | yeah, it's -y option but not sure if it will do more harm or good so I need some general advice here too |
| 08:51.17 | homie | hid3: not a good idea, it's effect is immediate, you want a more general power status mode |
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| 08:53.39 | homie | hid3: maybe use -S with a estimated value ? |
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| 08:56.17 | homie | ah the option -B is what you want i think |
| 08:56.25 | homie | apm mode |
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| 08:57.33 | homie | given you have apm support in kernel |
| 08:58.03 | homie | or acpi |
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| 08:58.37 | hid3 | unfortunately no apm/apic here... |
| 08:58.53 | homie | and the remote site ? |
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| 08:59.03 | homie | it's not you to have it, it's the remote one |
| 08:59.20 | superlinux | hi all. please, can someone give me the recipe to compile firefox 3.6.12 as a 64bit program ? |
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| 09:00.14 | homie | gcc -m64 |
| 09:00.47 | homie | man gcc |
| 09:03.32 | hid3 | well, I talked about the server, not my desktop, of course |
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| 09:09.18 | Bushmills | hid3: as backup, you probably want to umount it after copying - then you can also use -y for immediate effect |
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| 09:12.05 | hid3 | Bushmills: that's what I do now (umount). But a bit of google and reading some (older) posts reveals that it's better to leave a drive running instead of powering it off... |
| 09:12.47 | Bushmills | for a few hours per month, i'd shut it down during the time that it is not used |
| 09:13.13 | Bushmills | ide drives are usually not rated for 24/7 use. their bearing will suffer, eventually |
| 09:13.16 | Bushmills | bearings |
| 09:14.13 | Bushmills | you recognize this to happen by an increase of CRC errors or more frequent head repositioning |
| 09:15.22 | hid3 | How much hours are IDE drives rated for, generally? |
| 09:15.45 | Bushmills | a few years back, i was told "14 hours per day", i forgot which brand and model that was |
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| 09:15.47 | hid3 | I have some on my desktop pc with 48,000+ online hours without bad sectors or mechanical failures |
| 09:16.05 | hid3 | That's Seagate Barracuda BTW |
| 09:16.18 | hid3 | (running Debian of course, no spin downs) |
| 09:16.38 | dutchfish | Bushmills: i humbly disagree with you, the most important factor to my 20 years expirience with spindles seams a constant temperature to extend their life to the max. Cooler temps. don't seam to extend life. |
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| 09:17.22 | hid3 | Google has made a reasearch which results showed that drives running at hotter temps are expected to live longer |
| 09:17.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | seagate provide pdfs with thier rating for home vs enterprise (or whatever they call it) hdd usage |
| 09:17.26 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i didn't say anything about cooler temps |
| 09:17.36 | dutchfish | Bushmills: frequent temp. changes by switching them on and off, do shorten there lifespan. |
| 09:18.08 | Bushmills | yes, "frequent". as in, notebook spindowns after 30 secs of inavtivity |
| 09:18.48 | dutchfish | Bushmills: even when switching is done like twice a day, it still shortens the lifespan by alot. |
| 09:18.49 | hid3 | Kamping_Kaiser: Seagate sell drives and make business from that, they're not interested in you buying one drive per 10 years. They want you to buy drives each year... |
| 09:18.55 | Bushmills | dutchfish: but what hid3 said was " It is being used for about 3-4 hours, once a month." |
| 09:19.07 | Bushmills | *once* per *month* |
| 09:19.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | hid3: just because a company sells stuff doesnt mean they plan to screw you... |
| 09:19.35 | dutchfish | yeh, i got you, that is at least a temperature change of 20 or more degrees |
| 09:19.58 | hid3 | I'm not saying they're planning to screw you up but they're just not interested in the strategy described either |
| 09:20.27 | stocksy | Hello. I'm having trouble using mknod to create a random and null device in a Lenny Xen domU, anyone know what the trouble might be? |
| 09:20.41 | stocksy | I can create the device and the permissions are OK, but I can't read anything from it |
| 09:21.15 | Bushmills | dutchfish: micro fissures in electronics as result of temperature changes don't seem to be such an issue anymore since the pretty sensible DRAM chips of the Commodore PET are not in wide use anymore ... |
| 09:22.52 | Bushmills | consider that many people boot their computer once per day, or per week, rather than once per month . |
| 09:24.37 | dutchfish | Bushmills: i didnt say i have a solution, just wanted to point out in important parameter. I was talking about electronic components but mechanical ones that suffer form temp.changes. There are more things to consider when a spindle is not used frequently. |
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| 09:25.43 | Bushmills | with a choice of keeping electronics on operational temperature for w whole month, rather than operating it once per month, and staying cool for the rest of the time, i am sure that aluminium poisoning of semiconductors causes larger failure potential |
| 09:26.25 | dutchfish | etc etc. sure. ssd drives seam better in that respect. |
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| 09:47.40 | stocksy | oh what a monumental idiot I am: /dev/xvda3 /var ext3 nodev,nosuid 0 1 |
| 09:47.42 | stocksy | nodev |
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| 09:54.13 | blast_hardcheese | What creates /dev/xvda? |
| 09:54.37 | blast_hardcheese | I've never even heard of that |
| 09:55.10 | petemc | xen |
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| 09:58.16 | blast_hardcheese | Ah |
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| 10:00.47 | ov3rmind | anyone use lmms, to help in why addictional packages i have install. to obtain full resources enabled with lmms environment? |
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| 10:16.42 | empiric | guys i write a cron by crontab -e |
| 10:16.47 | empiric | where it safe the file |
| 10:17.05 | empiric | i want to see that file ,, where it save in debain in etc? in what file name |
| 10:17.39 | vtts | /var/spool/crontabs/ |
| 10:18.03 | vtts | sorry, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 10:19.52 | blackshirt | cron.d |
| 10:19.53 | blackshirt | cron.daily |
| 10:19.53 | blackshirt | cron.hourly |
| 10:19.53 | blackshirt | cron.monthly |
| 10:19.53 | blackshirt | crontab |
| 10:19.53 | blackshirt | cron.weekly |
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| 10:20.27 | blackshirt | cron.d |
| 10:20.29 | blackshirt | cron.daily |
| 10:20.29 | blackshirt | cron.hourly |
| 10:20.29 | blackshirt | cron.monthly |
| 10:20.29 | blackshirt | crontab |
| 10:20.29 | blackshirt | cron.weekly |
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| 10:20.57 | vtts | blackshirt, crontab -e doesn't use those from /etc |
| 10:21.15 | blackshirt | ok..i just share |
| 10:21.36 | empiric | in crontab file its not |
| 10:21.54 | blackshirt | yes, it on /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 10:22.00 | empiric | 17 ** * *root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 10:22.00 | empiric | 25 6* * *roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 10:22.00 | empiric | 47 6* * 7roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) |
| 10:22.00 | empiric | 52 61 * *roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly ) |
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| 10:22.54 | themill | blackshirt, empiric: please stop pasting into the channel |
| 10:22.59 | empiric | ok |
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| 10:23.11 | blackshirt | themill: okey, i'm sory |
| 10:24.33 | empiric | hey any one work on eventum? |
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| 10:26.29 | empiric | ? |
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| 10:57.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | l |
| 10:57.07 | rudi_s | Hi. I want to "edit" a PDF file. By edit I mean add some text to. What can I use to accomplish that? Thanks. |
| 10:57.24 | zaarg | is it possible to software raid 1 a single disk by adding another disk? |
| 11:00.12 | dutchfish | zaarg: something like this: Create a RAID 1 array using mdadm, setting the second disk as 'bad'. Then bring the second disk online and let the array rebuild. (no lvm involved, if that is what you want) |
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| 11:00.44 | zaarg | dutchfish: right. cool, thanks. |
| 11:01.20 | dutchfish | zaarg: make backup first ;) |
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| 11:05.30 | zaarg | if only i had the resources to do so. :) i'm sure it'll be fine. |
| 11:06.00 | dutchfish | zaarg: you know murphy.... |
| 11:06.52 | vtts | zaarg, are you palnning to do this on a live partition? |
| 11:06.55 | dutchfish | zaarg: a dd to the second disk? before you begin with a live-cd? |
| 11:08.08 | zaarg | vtts: no :) it's unmounted |
| 11:08.36 | vtts | ok then :) |
| 11:08.47 | zaarg | i might be better off dding it at this point in time |
| 11:08.55 | dutchfish | zaarg, gl |
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| 11:21.04 | ttiicc | I would like to run debian but not stable because all the packages are old in that version |
| 11:21.18 | hemu | any ideas how to remove file called ~ from my home directory? |
| 11:21.29 | ttiicc | Im gonna use it as a desktop computer, would you guys recommend med the unstable version? |
| 11:21.39 | hemu | rm ~/~ doesn't work |
| 11:21.44 | hemu | neither rm ./~ |
| 11:22.08 | ttiicc | rm -r ./~ would remove the file i thing |
| 11:22.29 | hemu | nope |
| 11:22.38 | hemu | no need for recursive remove anyway |
| 11:22.40 | ttiicc | what's the error message? |
| 11:22.45 | hemu | its just one file |
| 11:22.58 | hemu | rm: cannot remove `./~': No such file or directory |
| 11:22.59 | ttiicc | are you su? |
| 11:23.31 | hemu | same error with root account |
| 11:23.52 | ttiicc | hmm browse in to it an in there type rm ,/ see what happens |
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| 11:25.36 | garotosopa | Hi. How can I run fsck.jfs before mounting the partition at boot time? |
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| 11:28.04 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.16 | garotosopa | the thing is I never properly shutdown this machine, so this JFS partition seems always corrupted next time I boot. |
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| 11:39.29 | gtklocker | Hi |
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| 11:39.40 | gtklocker | is there any debian repository for linux-libre kernel? |
| 11:40.04 | felipec | I wonder why ffmpeg is in debian, including all the proprietary codecs |
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| 11:42.21 | felipec | isn't the policy to have only free stuff? |
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| 11:44.28 | vtts | hemu, how about: rm ~/\~ |
| 11:44.45 | streuner | felipec: dmm? |
| 11:45.03 | hemu | that did it vtts, thanks! |
| 11:45.13 | felipec | streuner: sorry? |
| 11:45.27 | streuner | felipec: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 11:47.37 | felipec | streuner: ok, so it's not part of debian itself... basically if a package depends on ffmpeg, it has to go into non-free? |
| 11:48.56 | dutchfish | .koffie verkeerd with cream on top and chocolate pinch |
| 11:49.05 | dutchfish | oops sorry xpost |
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| 11:51.57 | streuner | felipec: just ask about in #debian-legal or such |
| 11:52.27 | felipec | streuner: I mean, I understand the legal issues of the patent encumbered codecs |
| 11:53.07 | felipec | streuner: basically Fedora and openSUSE dont't have FFmpeg in their main repos, but maintained in community ones |
| 11:53.22 | Trewas | felipec: ffmpeg is free software, so non-free is not an option if some of the codecs have patent issues |
| 11:53.28 | felipec | streuner: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ffmpeg <- but that looks like it's in debian itself |
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| 11:55.39 | felipec | Trewas: I couldn't parse that, if there are patent issues it should not go into non-free? |
| 11:56.33 | streuner | felipec: codecs are part of ffmpeg? i doubt that |
| 11:57.06 | Trewas | felipec: it is free software so it is either in debian main or not in debian at all, including non-free (which is for non-DFSG free but distributable software) |
| 11:57.40 | felipec | streuner: of course they are, the code is patent encumbered |
| 11:58.10 | felipec | I see ffmpeg (0.svn20080206-18+lenny1) was the last version included, and apparently there was a script to remove the patented code |
| 11:58.29 | felipec | so I guess after that it was moved out of debian into dmm |
| 11:59.44 | felipec | Trewas: ahh, now I see |
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| 12:29.18 | flamingspinach | I'm installing Debian, and I'm given both "linux-image-2.6" and "linux-image-2.6.32" as options for which kernel to install to disk |
| 12:29.44 | flamingspinach | what is 2.6? is it just the latest 2.6.x that's been migrated to testing? (I'm installing testing) |
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| 12:30.52 | flamingspinach | er, sorry, the second option is "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", the first is "linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 12:31.48 | flamingspinach | according to qa.debian.org, the latest kernel in testing is 2.6.32-27, not 2.6.32-5, so I assume "linux-image-2.6" is newer than "linux-image-2.6.32-5"... |
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| 12:49.45 | dutchfish | flamingspinach: as far as i know you will end up with the same kernel, 2.6.32-27. |
| 12:49.56 | flamingspinach | if I do what? |
| 12:50.48 | dutchfish | flamingspinach: but linux-image-2.6 will garantue that if i newer kernel rolls ever into to squeeze you will end up upgrading to that, not so with 2.6.32-5. |
| 12:50.57 | flamingspinach | aha |
| 12:51.02 | flamingspinach | thanks :) |
| 12:51.08 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:51.40 | dutchfish | flamingspinach: so for now, it makes no difference what you choose |
| 12:51.53 | flamingspinach | I chose 2.6 |
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| 12:53.00 | dutchfish | flamingspinach: in the past there have been debian versions with more then one kernel branche, not with squeeze atm and i gues there wont be when it turns stable. |
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| 12:58.59 | WilliamHerry | how do i know if my debian is woody or other? |
| 12:59.35 | petemc | WilliamHerry: /msg dpkg version |
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| 13:00.19 | petemc | you can also get a hint looking in /etc/apt/sources.list , assuming someone hasnt edited that but not actually updated etc |
| 13:00.38 | iceroot | WilliamHerry: cat /etc/issue |
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| 13:01.41 | superlinux | hi |
| 13:01.45 | WilliamHerry | it's lenny thanks |
| 13:01.53 | x-demon | hello |
| 13:02.09 | x-demon | anyone know where is php5-fpm from experimental? |
| 13:02.10 | superlinux | I have a kvm switch. now compiz does not run. |
| 13:02.15 | x-demon | it disappeared some time ago |
| 13:02.18 | superlinux | what should I do? |
| 13:02.42 | superlinux | usb kvm sw. |
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| 13:03.38 | superlinux | ok sorry |
| 13:03.47 | superlinux | i thought it was a kvm thing |
| 13:03.56 | superlinux | missing compiz options |
| 13:04.00 | superlinux | !!! |
| 13:04.00 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 13:13.43 | dutchfish | x-demon: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/php5/5.3.3-1/#php5-fpm_5.3.3-1 |
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| 13:16.20 | iceroot | where does nscd save the group-cache? in memory or in the file-system? |
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| 13:29.52 | lewis222 | I have one physical NIC with two addresses. eth0 is x.x.x.200 and eth0:0 is x.x.x.201. Both 'interfaces' work, but all traffic appears to come from x.x.x.201. How can I make it from eth0? |
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| 13:30.17 | Vesperto | I have the remote host set, what do i need on the local machine to establish an XDMCP session? |
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| 13:31.42 | juniorsa | Hi, I just changed motherboards for a asus m4a785td-v, I am running 2.6.18-6-amd64 and the onboard gige nic is an R8169, I get ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:00.0 disabled I do get eht1: link up but can't ping anything but the local ip, any ideas? I have done a modprobe -a no luck so far |
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| 13:41.03 | juniorsa | anyone have any ideas? r8169 doesn't work |
| 13:42.06 | cahoot | disabled interrupt seems fatal |
| 13:42.56 | juniorsa | cahoot: so there is no solution or workaround? what do you suggest just pop in a nother nic, I wanted to use the onboard but oh well, is hardware issue or incompatibility |
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| 13:44.32 | cahoot | BIOS upgrade? |
| 13:44.45 | juniorsa | I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 13:47.09 | lewis222 | cahoot: any idea on default virtual interface used for outgoing traffic? |
| 13:47.23 | lewis222 | I have both eth0 and eth0:0, and it seems eth0:0 is used. |
| 13:47.38 | cahoot | way beyond me - sorry |
| 13:47.52 | lewis222 | bah. |
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| 13:48.53 | robokop | lewis222: what is your route? |
| 13:50.14 | lewis222 | how do you mean? |
| 13:50.40 | lewis222 | my default route says eth0 as the inteface, but it is actually using eth0:0, not eth0 |
| 13:50.49 | lewis222 | I want traffic to 'appear' from eth0. |
| 13:51.07 | lewis222 | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3950 - this says to use auto eth0, instead of allow-hotplug eth0. |
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| 13:51.42 | lewis222 | make sense? |
| 13:53.04 | robokop | makes some sense yes |
| 13:53.34 | vtts | lewis222, pastebin the: ip route; ip addr |
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| 13:55.47 | lewis222 | http://pastebin.com/EX4jSU65 |
| 13:56.20 | lewis222 | Perhaps having eth0 and eth0:0 was silly, I should have jumped straight to eth0:1? |
| 13:56.35 | vtts | lewis222, use net mask 255.255.255.255 for eth0:0 |
| 13:56.56 | lewis222 | oh really? |
| 13:56.57 | vtts | and you can skip the "network" line |
| 13:57.22 | lewis222 | is the network line even needed any longer? |
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| 13:57.39 | vtts | i usualy skip network and broadcast lines |
| 13:57.55 | lewis222 | because they are generally implied already? |
| 13:58.03 | vtts | but leave the 255.255.255.192 for eth0 |
| 13:58.18 | vtts | try this and it should be as you want |
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| 13:59.09 | lewis222 | ifdown eth0:0 && ifup eth0:0 - like that? |
| 14:00.06 | vtts | are you near the physical device? |
| 14:00.24 | lewis222 | nope - so I'd probably not want to do it right now ;) |
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| 14:00.33 | vtts | doing thant might bring your whole route down |
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| 14:01.20 | lewis222 | ok, I'll save it for a rainy day. If the netmask is 255.255.255.255 eth0:0, the IP address is still externally accessible, right? |
| 14:01.27 | vtts | yes |
| 14:01.45 | vtts | because eht0 has a proper route for the subnet |
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| 14:05.58 | lewis222 | thank you kindly. |
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| 14:08.25 | stack | hi, I don't undestand this message " nautilus-dropbox : Depends: libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2) but 2.30.1-2 is installed" . I installed the latest nautilus-dropbox package for ubuntu from the dropbox site . |
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| 14:14.09 | nakeee | I'm trying to create a debian package using cpack, but the package I get does not create missing directory in /etc and /usr/doc any idea why? |
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| 14:23.32 | unixSnob | I'm having trouble installing ruby. I ran => aptitude install ruby |
| 14:23.41 | unixSnob | and i get: E: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/ruby-defaults/ruby_1.8.2-1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80] |
| 14:24.00 | petemc | try aptitude update |
| 14:24.08 | unixSnob | I looked in that folder, and the version sought doesn't exist |
| 14:24.26 | unixSnob | petemc: I tried that, and got another series of errors, perhaps because I'm on etch |
| 14:24.44 | petemc | unixSnob: right, etch is no longer supported |
| 14:25.00 | petemc | unixSnob: you can get packages from archive.debian.org , but you should upgrade |
| 14:25.23 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.44 | unixSnob | thanks |
| 14:28.32 | flamingspinach | etch is no longer supported, and yet windows xp is :) |
| 14:29.35 | Kvant | sd |
| 14:29.37 | Kvant | kkl |
| 14:29.47 | Kvant | oops... well, you get the new version for free :) |
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| 14:30.46 | Bushmills | then maybe adding the windows xp repository to sources.list would be the solution |
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| 14:37.28 | unixSnob | Kvant: actually, I would probably be better off paying for it in cash, as opposed to paying in time |
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| 14:37.52 | unixSnob | upgrades for me is never free, because I don't have my backup situation together yet |
| 14:38.14 | unixSnob | which means it's a massive effort to aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:38.39 | unixSnob | I've seen "aptitude dist-upgrade" completely trash systems |
| 14:38.46 | unixSnob | and trash weeks of work down the tubes |
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| 14:39.27 | unixSnob | so every upgrade must be treated like it's an installation from scratch |
| 14:39.48 | themill | the release notes cover the upgrade process in excellent detail and work you around such problems. And there's always plenty of opportunity to test it in a VM if you don't have spare hardware |
| 14:40.09 | nasterize | greeting to all. |
| 14:40.49 | themill | (you've also had 20 months to do etchâlenny -- it's not exactly newsworthy) |
| 14:41.11 | unixSnob | work you around such problems <= which problems? This is like saying "we have a magic button that fixes any problem in a complex system" |
| 14:41.58 | rozie | unixSnob: you haven't probably read upgrade manual. it's not simple aptitude dist-upgrade, usually |
| 14:42.00 | themill | unixSnob: there is a fairly small and well documented set of problems that people tend to see when upgrading between releases. It's not as if upgrading isn't tested. |
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| 14:43.24 | rozie | I never had problems with dist-upgrade on stable releases (with Debian packages, some third party made problems, but it's recommended to remove them before upgrade) |
| 14:43.30 | unixSnob | rozie: indeed, that was my problem. I simply ran that command (I was in a real pinch for time just a day before leaving the country), and that command hosed everything |
| 14:43.48 | themill | who'd have thought that manuals were written for a reason |
| 14:43.51 | unixSnob | rozie: I wish I had known then what could have happened |
| 14:43.55 | lamah | http://news.debian.net/2010/11/06/the-first-beta-of-the-debian-installer-6-0-has-been-released/ |
| 14:44.31 | rozie | unixSnob: well, it doesn't hurt to ask _before_ acting ;) |
| 14:44.41 | nasterize | need help: i have some problem with my linux. it doesn't run smoothly. it got delay/lag sometimes. so, everytime i run vid. it stop for about 1s sometimes. |
| 14:44.52 | unixSnob | rozie: actually, it was advince from in here to do what I did |
| 14:45.02 | themill | unixSnob: the last upgrade that was as simple as a "dist-upgrade" was potato to sarge. |
| 14:45.16 | themill | unixSnob: when was this advice given and for what release? |
| 14:45.28 | rozie | themill: there was Woody in between ;) |
| 14:45.39 | rozie | themill: so !true ;-) |
| 14:45.46 | unixSnob | rozie: I came in here because the everything worked for a user except YouTube.. he had to have his YouTube. Everyone said do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:45.46 | themill | rozie: err yeah... potatoâwoody was what I meant :) |
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| 14:46.59 | wad | 'morning folks. A drive crashed in my RAID-5, and the hot spare kicked in automatically. But it doesn't seem so healthy: |
| 14:47.01 | wad | 860535808 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [U_UU] |
| 14:47.01 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.16 | unixSnob | I'm sure for every dist-upgrade, there is at least one user and hardware combination where it works smoothly, or it wouldn't even be released |
| 14:47.31 | wad | Is it me, or does this seem excessively long to sync that spare into the RIAD? |
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| 14:48.29 | unixSnob | iirc, the dist-upgrade took him to lenny |
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| 14:49.14 | wad | At the current speed, it will take 5 months! |
| 14:49.51 | unixSnob | anyway, thanks for the help.. archive.debian.org is working out well |
| 14:50.13 | vtts | wad, raid5 restore is slow :( |
| 14:50.36 | hashashin | nas |
| 14:50.38 | wad | vtts: There is slow, and then there is basically stopped. FIVE MONTHS?!? |
| 14:50.54 | hashashin | nas |
| 14:50.55 | vtts | wad, check md/sync_speed_min and md/sync_speed_max |
| 14:50.57 | wad | Something's got to be wrong. |
| 14:51.02 | wad | ok |
| 14:51.18 | themill | unixSnob: "working out well" in the sense that you are running an unsupported distribution which hasn't received security support or 8 months... good luck with that. |
| 14:52.26 | wad | min=1000, max=20000 |
| 14:52.39 | unixSnob | security wise, it's more secure than something as drastic as dist-upgrade. availability is the most important of all security aspects |
| 14:52.47 | vtts | wad, is your system busy? |
| 14:52.54 | wad | nope, almost idle. |
| 14:52.59 | themill | unixSnob: what!? |
| 14:53.18 | wad | when I run htop, htop is the only thing using > 0% CPU. |
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| 14:53.38 | unixSnob | themill: availability is more important than confidentiality, for example (this is not a machine w/ classified info) |
| 14:54.11 | themill | unixSnob: do you know how much spam it is sending on behalf of other people or how many botnets it is participating in? |
| 14:54.31 | unixSnob | themill: yes, zero |
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| 14:55.25 | wad | adds unixSnob's machine to his botnet collection. |
| 14:55.32 | wad | ducks |
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| 14:56.31 | unixSnob | now if wad were to be successful, being on a botnet is a performance degradation -- a lesser evil than being down entirely |
| 14:57.05 | unixSnob | (or even being down partially) |
| 14:57.10 | wad | unixSnob: Depends on who you are. Your machine being on a botnet doesn't hurt you, it hurts others. |
| 14:57.34 | themill | depends on whether you care about being a good netizen or not |
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| 14:57.47 | unixSnob | wad: of course it damages the user.. the user is losing CPU time |
| 14:58.13 | wad | Not the user, the people who are receiving the spam, DDOS attacks, etc. |
| 14:58.18 | lxsys | Hey, #debian... i need help. My server is having major networking issues! |
| 14:58.23 | unixSnob | and the owner of a compromized host also spams themself, unwittingly |
| 14:58.27 | lxsys | The eth0 just goes down. |
| 14:58.31 | lxsys | and wont go up |
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| 14:58.53 | wad | lxsys: Did you try investigation with ethtool? |
| 14:59.35 | wad | unixSnob, that's why the community has an interest in helping people to be secure. :) |
| 14:59.38 | themill | unixSnob: as I said, you've had 20 months already to upgrade to lenny. There's nothing really to argue about any more, you really should upgrade and if you don't trust the upgrade process as outlined in the release notes, you should test it yourself in a VM or on spare hardware. |
| 15:00.11 | lxsys | no, i'll give that a go now |
| 15:00.34 | unixSnob | wad: it's a good mission -- but the fact that dist-upgrade is not as trivial as it appears jeopardizes that mission |
| 15:00.47 | wad | unixSnob, |
| 15:00.51 | themill | unixSnob: perhaps you'll find more people who'd like to argue about this in #debian-offtopic... this channel is for helping people with the upgrade process not for arguing about whether or not it is necessary |
| 15:01.18 | wad | unixSnob, I'm not participating in that part of the conversation. I just wanted to throw my $0.02 into the philosophical bit about the dangers of insecured systems. |
| 15:01.40 | unixSnob | themill: a VM test is almost worthless. VM simulate different hardware than what the target has |
| 15:01.52 | robokop | /ignore unixSnob |
| 15:02.08 | lxsys | Ok. I've got a tg3 broadcom card. I have to reinsert the tg3 module, and then /etc/init.d/restart |
| 15:02.12 | themill | unixSnob: now you're talking utter nonsense. please desist. It's beyond boring. |
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| 15:02.50 | unixSnob | it's the target that matters...I could not care less if the upgrade goes smoothly in a known profile of common hardware |
| 15:03.05 | unixSnob | it would be my minimum expectation that it works with common hardware |
| 15:03.22 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 15:04.26 | unixSnob | now if you could come up with a VM that could simulate an arbitrary set of hardware (eg a thinkpad), you would have something there.. something to test a dist-upgrade faithfully |
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| 15:04.43 | themill | unixSnob: enough... seriously. |
| 15:05.32 | lxsys | I need help... my servers having network issues. Intermittantly. I have to reload the tg3 module then restart networking. How do I fix it?? |
| 15:06.33 | robokop | lxsys: modprobe -r tg3; modprobe tg3; /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:07.39 | lxsys | robokop: yeah that works, but it only goes down again after 5-10 minutes |
| 15:07.46 | vtts | lxsys, what are the symptoms? do you have any logs indicating the problem? |
| 15:08.08 | lxsys | I'll try and pastebin dmesg. |
| 15:08.59 | wad | Any idea why this hot spare is re-syncing to the RAID-5 at 171 K/sec? At this rate it will take 188657 minutes, or about 5 months. |
| 15:09.55 | lxsys | logs for LXS-XW600 are here. |
| 15:09.56 | lxsys | http://pastebin.ca/1984496 |
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| 15:10.12 | vtts | wad, if there are other requests to the raid, md slows down repairs/checks |
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| 15:10.36 | wad | vtts: Ah, I'll unmount it from the accessible areas. |
| 15:10.47 | oznt | can someone help me understand why grub-update on my computer only finds kernels installed in /dev/sda5 and not on /dev/sda8 ? |
| 15:13.26 | Rienzilla | wad: lol |
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| 15:13.43 | wad | Okay, I umounted it. |
| 15:13.57 | wad | still slow. Hmm. |
| 15:14.05 | vtts | increase sync_speed_min |
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| 15:15.15 | wad | vtts: Is this done via: echo 10000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| 15:15.39 | vtts | yes |
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| 15:17.13 | vtts | also you could check with iostat (sysstat package) if there is any other activity on devices |
| 15:17.37 | lxsys | ok how do I stop my tg3 from going into "go away" mode? |
| 15:17.50 | wad | I set it to 50000, but it's still going at around 190 K/sec. At this rate it will take four months. |
| 15:17.59 | wad | vtts: good idea |
| 15:19.14 | wad | vtts: It's doing about 46% iowait |
| 15:19.25 | wad | (Not sure what that means; is that normal?) |
| 15:19.44 | wad | tries it on some other boxen |
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| 15:22.13 | rue_house | how hard would it be for me to re-introduce xmms1 is a debian package? |
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| 15:24.22 | Bushmills | audacious looks very similar, if the appearance is what you find appealing in xmms1 |
| 15:25.26 | Bushmills | notice the likeness: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1289143499573836828d.png ? |
| 15:25.40 | vtts | lxsys, are you sure the network it self is ok? |
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| 15:27.29 | Trewas | audacious 2.4 went for a different look, but actually I think it is better now |
| 15:28.13 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.40 | D-Boy | Hi, cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep lm shows that the server is '64bits capable' i'm about the reinstall the server and i'm wondering what can be better under 64bits (the server was on 32bits and served mostly irc/apache/postfix/mysql/ stuff) |
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| 15:29.22 | rue_house | the only problem I saw with xmms1 was to do with it redrawing the scroll indicator in the playlist |
| 15:29.28 | Trewas | rue_house: xmms1 uses gtk1.2 and some other ancient libs which are not available anymore, so you'd have to start by packaking those |
| 15:30.42 | rue_house | Setting up libgtk1.2-dev ? |
| 15:35.27 | christoph_debian | hm I'm having trouble booting a debian on nfs root which doesn't work since I upgraded to squeeze -- but #433386 is closed |
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| 15:35.42 | cantido | Is it still possible to setup SLIP? |
| 15:35.45 | Bushmills | rue_house: it had more problems - internal ones. the plugin system had structural problems, for example. |
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| 15:43.12 | lxsys | vtts: yeah networks fine |
| 15:43.23 | lxsys | the server just silently stops working on the network |
| 15:43.31 | lxsys | cant ping in, cant ping out, ifconfig looks fine |
| 15:43.40 | rue_house | I think its too bad they just ditched the whole project |
| 15:44.08 | vtts | lxsys, try tcpdump -ni eth0 if you see any packets |
| 15:44.37 | lxsys | vtts: no packets, the lights on the switch are on, but have showed no activity |
| 15:45.05 | vtts | how about switch counters? |
| 15:45.33 | vtts | (if it's a manageable switch) |
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| 15:45.39 | lxsys | its not getting packets when the nic dies |
| 15:45.42 | lxsys | none at all |
| 15:45.51 | vtts | is it sending? |
| 15:45.59 | lxsys | nope |
| 15:46.01 | vtts | how about auto-sense? |
| 15:46.08 | lxsys | it can see its there |
| 15:46.11 | vtts | check switch port configuration |
| 15:46.13 | lxsys | but the card isnt negotiating |
| 15:46.22 | lxsys | the nic just dies |
| 15:46.24 | lxsys | silently |
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| 15:46.52 | vtts | try setting link speed manualy both on card (ethtool) and on switch |
| 15:47.51 | penguin42 | I'm having difficulty with a thumb drive install; it's booted off the image but refusing to find the mini.iso that I can see on the drive - anyone else seen this? |
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| 15:48.51 | lxsys | ive set the link speeds on both switch and server, didnt help |
| 15:48.59 | vtts | lxsys, and check the counters, both pinging from and to the server |
| 15:49.20 | penguin42 | mini.iso in / of the thumb drive should work? |
| 15:49.52 | lxsys | nothing |
| 15:50.09 | lxsys | the nic isnt sending anything |
| 15:50.20 | vtts | is switch port sending? |
| 15:50.26 | lxsys | the switch is trying to send but doesnt appear to be getting any response |
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| 15:51.00 | lxsys | i'm just getting lots of From 192.168.0.103 icmp_seq=52 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 15:51.20 | vtts | how about tcpdump? |
| 15:51.29 | kleanchap | How do I configure aptitude? I ran "aptitude update" and I got a few lines of messages about cdrom. |
| 15:51.50 | kleanchap | I need to change it to the local repo. |
| 15:52.14 | kleanchap | I meant repo nearest to me. |
| 15:52.33 | vtts | lxsys, do you see packets going out with tcpdump? |
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| 15:53.33 | lxsys | vtts, no. |
| 15:53.53 | vtts | lxsys, pinging from the server at the same time? |
| 15:54.30 | lxsys | yes |
| 15:54.38 | lxsys | its pinging, but i see nothing |
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| 15:55.13 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 15:55.15 | lenswipe | gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 15:55.19 | lenswipe | can someone help with that? |
| 15:55.20 | llua | i backed up my debian install using tar and restored it to a different partition. i edited fstab to use the new partition as / but when i try to boot into it it tells me it cannot find root and drops me into ash |
| 15:55.26 | lenswipe | i have no sound for some reason |
| 15:55.34 | lenswipe | it keeps doing this, i dont know why |
| 15:55.40 | cantido | llua: same machine? |
| 15:55.46 | llua | @cantido, yes |
| 15:56.13 | lxsys | hmm maybe the tg3 network issues is a irq conflict |
| 15:56.15 | lxsys | brb |
| 15:56.20 | lenswipe | can someone help with that? |
| 15:56.22 | lenswipe | gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 15:56.32 | cantido | llua: you might need to rebuild you initramfs is what i was thinking |
| 15:57.22 | Toast | I'm about to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze. Does anyone know of any recent problems which should put me off? |
| 15:57.34 | rgr | whats the name of the standard GUI app to configure wireless AP in debian with gnome? |
| 15:57.50 | rozie | Toast: is this desktop? |
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| 15:58.22 | llua | @cantido, im guessing this cant be done in a chroot? |
| 15:58.35 | Toast | It's a headless home server. Important to me, but a problem would be an inconvenience rather then a show stopper. |
| 15:59.14 | lenswipe | can someone help with that? |
| 15:59.15 | lenswipe | gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 15:59.36 | rgr | or even how to get my network applet back on my gnome task bar? It has suddenly vanished. |
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| 16:02.22 | Toast | That looks good then, if anything had broken too badly, I'm sure someone would have shouted :) I'll start the upgrade. |
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| 16:03.16 | lenswipe | can someone help with that? |
| 16:03.18 | lenswipe | gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 16:03.24 | lenswipe | i have no sound and im not sure why |
| 16:03.33 | lenswipe | the sound indiscriminately vanishes |
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| 16:03.52 | lenswipe | sometimes it comes back if i reboot |
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| 16:04.20 | bookmark | hiya |
| 16:04.47 | bookmark | would i use genisoimage wodim or dd in order to mirror and iso off of existing cd? |
| 16:04.55 | juniorsa | I'm having problems with RTL8169 using lenny kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64 , is there a special driver I can download, if so where could I find it? |
| 16:04.57 | bookmark | thanks in advance |
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| 16:06.50 | macrobat | lenswipe: no need to repeat yourself. are you using pulseaudio? |
| 16:07.00 | lenswipe | macrobat, no, im using ALSA |
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| 16:07.10 | lenswipe | macrobat, and its given me nothing but problems |
| 16:07.16 | lenswipe | is there a more stable audio manager? |
| 16:07.35 | cusco_ | hi, how can I read timestamp from a file? |
| 16:07.53 | lenswipe | i would go with OSS but it gives this message too and when it does work it wont play sound from flash |
| 16:08.49 | somiaj | lenswipe: is this a laptop and you have trouble with audio after supend? |
| 16:09.37 | lenswipe | somiaj, no its a desktop PC and i have trouble with audio since installing |
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| 16:09.56 | somiaj | hmm, what sound card? |
| 16:09.56 | macrobat | cusco_: like egrep with a regular expression? |
| 16:10.09 | cusco_ | how do I replicate timestamp from a file to another file? |
| 16:10.11 | cusco_ | I guess with touchm but there is accessed timestap, creation timestamp and modified timestamp |
| 16:10.14 | cusco_ | how do I read all these timestamps? |
| 16:10.21 | kleanchap | What tools do I need to install on Debian new install to configure wifi network? |
| 16:10.23 | macrobat | ok |
| 16:10.51 | cusco_ | ?? |
| 16:11.07 | somiaj | lenswipe: there have been some audio problems with Pulse Audio, but ALSA is fairly stable and I haven't had any issues with it |
| 16:11.38 | bookmark | the only problem i had with alsa was with amsynth, stammering |
| 16:11.50 | bookmark | but it mostly played correctly |
| 16:12.04 | cusco_ | ok |
| 16:12.08 | cusco_ | stat will return me these |
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| 16:12.12 | lenswipe | somiaj, ive had nothing /but/ problems with ALSA |
| 16:12.27 | lenswipe | somiaj, every now and then i get that message and sometimes i reboot and it goes away - sometimes not |
| 16:12.29 | somiaj | lenswipe: this is debian stable? What sound card? |
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| 16:12.46 | lenswipe | somiaj, yeah its debian lenny stable and i dont know what soundcard - its just the one built into my motherboard |
| 16:13.09 | pfred1 | lenswipe try hwinfo or lspci -v |
| 16:13.09 | bookmark | lenswipe: did it make sound at all? |
| 16:13.42 | somiaj | lenswipe: there have been issues with some of those built in sound cards (such as in nforce chipsets) but I thought most of them had been fixed by lenny. |
| 16:14.01 | lenswipe | bookmark, no, there is no sound - just that message when i click test in the sound manager |
| 16:14.08 | Chosi | does anyone know of a megasas bug in 2.6.32.25? |
| 16:14.12 | lenswipe | somiaj, this is a Gigabyte board, if that helps |
| 16:15.08 | lenswipe | somiaj, aha! i have something here about an audio device, want to see it? |
| 16:15.10 | somiaj | lenswipe: doesn't say much about the compoents on the paticular board you have. But I'd look up issues with your sound card and alsa driver for it |
| 16:15.19 | somiaj | lenswipe: if its multiple lines put it in a pastebin |
| 16:15.22 | lenswipe | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/PpGYYaZR |
| 16:15.42 | lenswipe | somiaj, i did e-mail Gigabyte and ask about linux drivers |
| 16:15.55 | lenswipe | somiaj, i got a very polite email back basically telling me to bugger off |
| 16:16.21 | pfred1 | lenswipe did you tell them that your money was legal tender and next time someone else will get it? |
| 16:17.06 | lenswipe | pfred1, they didnt actually tell me to bugger off but they were like "no, we dont do linux drivers, only windows drivers etc etc" |
| 16:17.15 | rudi_s | Hi. I want to "edit" a PDF file. By edit I mean add some text to. What can I use to accomplish that? Thanks. |
| 16:17.49 | pfred1 | lenswipe well you did the right thing by bringing your interests to their attention if enough do it maybe someday things will change? |
| 16:18.08 | flamingspinach | oh wow, debian-installer detects and sets up dual boot |
| 16:18.09 | flamingspinach | handy |
| 16:18.10 | pfred1 | lenswipe until then though research before you buy! |
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| 16:18.25 | bookmark | lenswipe: i ustilize the alsamixergui, have you tried this application? |
| 16:18.27 | p4co | hi chan |
| 16:18.35 | lenswipe | pfred1, i did research - i went and bought gigabyte because of the countless people ive spoken to that use gigabyte with linux |
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| 16:18.37 | cantido | lenswipe: chances are the drivers you need they couldnt write |
| 16:18.44 | bookmark | lenswipe: you've got to turn on master, front, and sometimes line channels |
| 16:18.53 | bookmark | lenswipe: before you hear anything |
| 16:18.54 | lenswipe | cantido, s/couldnt write/dont give a shi |
| 16:18.57 | lenswipe | cantido, s/couldnt write/dont give a shit |
| 16:19.00 | cantido | lenswipe: they dont make audio chipsets.. they put them on boards |
| 16:19.04 | pfred1 | lenswipe did you run alsamixer? |
| 16:19.13 | bookmark | alsamixergui |
| 16:19.15 | p4co | Is it possible to build a 32bit application on an ia64 machine? |
| 16:19.19 | lenswipe | oh alsamixer? |
| 16:19.21 | lenswipe | oh yeah |
| 16:19.26 | bookmark | use the gui one its best |
| 16:19.30 | lenswipe | 2 seconds |
| 16:19.37 | cantido | p4co: amd64 or real ia64 |
| 16:19.43 | cantido | p4co: and in both cases.. yes |
| 16:19.43 | pfred1 | I remembe that sound used to be muted by default |
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| 16:19.45 | p4co | real ia64 |
| 16:19.51 | lenswipe | bookmark, robert@C03:~$ alsamixer |
| 16:19.51 | lenswipe | No mixer elems found |
| 16:20.05 | p4co | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.06 | bookmark | apt-cache search alsamixergui |
| 16:20.15 | pfred1 | lenswipe of course lsmod shows no modules installed right? |
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| 16:20.28 | lenswipe | pfred1, the thing is that its detecting my soundcard weirdly anyway, the SPDIF on the back (which is usually an output) is detected as an input |
| 16:20.33 | lenswipe | pfred1, huh? |
| 16:20.35 | lenswipe | pfred1, ive no idea |
| 16:20.40 | cantido | p4co: ok, so you want to build something for i386? |
| 16:20.44 | pfred1 | lenswipe can you figure out what if any modules are your sound drivers and try to modprobe them? |
| 16:20.49 | Trewas | lenswipe: have you tried with a newer kernel or for example with a ubuntu live cd? lenny's kernel is not exactly new if that motherboard is |
| 16:20.57 | lenswipe | pfred1, no, i dont know how |
| 16:20.59 | Toast | When upgrading, I see some sites recommending safe-upgrade followed by full-upgrade, and others just suggesting dist-upgrade. What is recommended? |
| 16:21.03 | cantido | p4co: you'll need to install/build a cross compiler and all the libs you need.. |
| 16:21.13 | pfred1 | lenswipe oh Ok I'll try to google up the answer for you then sec |
| 16:21.22 | lenswipe | Trewas, i had to backport the one im using now cos the current lenny kernel wouldnt detect my SATA controller |
| 16:21.25 | lenswipe | pfred1, thanks |
| 16:21.39 | p4co | cantido: which library do i need? i've tryed compiling with the -m32 flag with no success |
| 16:21.55 | cantido | p4co: with an ia64 toolchain? |
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| 16:22.14 | pfred1 | lenswipe it does look like there are sound drivers for your hardware |
| 16:22.16 | cantido | p4co: that won't work.. because i386 isn't a machine in that family |
| 16:22.21 | lenswipe | bookmark, robert@C03:~$ alsamixergui |
| 16:22.22 | lenswipe | No mixer elems found |
| 16:22.26 | lenswipe | pfred1, really? |
| 16:22.37 | lenswipe | pfred1, it could be that i just dont have em installed |
| 16:23.01 | lenswipe | pfred1, like i said, its detecting the SPDIF as an input and im not sure thats correct and its not detecting the mic input at all |
| 16:23.02 | pfred1 | lenswipe you need a newer kernel |
| 16:23.06 | lenswipe | pfred1, does that sound like a driver issue? |
| 16:23.08 | bookmark | likely that you have no module installed because alsamixer would setup its dependencies |
| 16:23.13 | lenswipe | pfred1, and how do i get a newer kernel? |
| 16:23.20 | cantido | p4co: you have to build or find a toolchain that is targetted to i386(ia32) and then cross build all the libraries you want to link against.. |
| 16:23.22 | bookmark | the only other thing you might try is , apt-get update --fix-missing |
| 16:23.24 | pfred1 | lenswipe oh that is sort of complicated |
| 16:23.38 | bookmark | although thats usually for dvd debian sources |
| 16:23.40 | lenswipe | pfred1, i know, i had to use a lenny backport to get it to detect my SATA controller |
| 16:23.44 | lxsys | Right, this is really f****** annoying me now. Were broadcom too retarded to make a NIC? |
| 16:23.56 | macrobat | juniorsa: which hardware do you have? (lspci -nn | grep -i eth) |
| 16:23.58 | lxsys | can somebody help me get the server back online |
| 16:24.00 | lenswipe | pfred1, bookmark is it likely that squeeze will fix all this bullshit when it comes out? |
| 16:24.05 | lxsys | its been down for four hours now |
| 16:24.18 | cantido | lxsys: yeah, because they don't know how to make network hardware yet have a massive share of the market |
| 16:24.23 | bookmark | lenswipe: is most likely that you don't have the appropriate module and you' |
| 16:24.24 | p4co | cantido: can i get this toolchain from debian repos? |
| 16:24.31 | bookmark | lenswipe: is most likely that you don't have the appropriate module and you'd need to locate and compile it yourself |
| 16:24.40 | lxsys | cantido: just like microsoft and windows |
| 16:24.41 | bookmark | lenswipe: or else try apt-get update --fix-missing |
| 16:24.44 | cantido | p4co: maybe.. there are some cross compilers in the repo |
| 16:24.46 | lenswipe | bookmark, compile the kernel module? |
| 16:24.52 | bookmark | for your sound chip |
| 16:24.59 | lenswipe | right |
| 16:25.00 | cantido | lxsys: broadcom do support linux from what I remember |
| 16:25.04 | macrobat | lxsys: describe your issue :D |
| 16:25.04 | flamingspinach | debian-installer is asking me whether my system clock is set to UTC. How can I determine this? |
| 16:25.11 | cantido | otherwise they would be nowhere in the server market |
| 16:25.21 | flamingspinach | are the messages on tty4 timed according to the system clock? (they look like they're on UTC) |
| 16:25.29 | lenswipe | bookmark, apt-get update --fix-missing doesnt seem to have done much |
| 16:25.33 | christoph_debian | hm I'm having trouble booting a debian on nfs root which doesn't work since I upgraded to squeeze -- but #433386 is closed |
| 16:25.37 | bookmark | ususally doesn't :( |
| 16:25.41 | bookmark | but sometimes ;) |
| 16:25.46 | lenswipe | *sigh* :( |
| 16:25.47 | p4co | cantido: maybe ia32-libs-dev and lib32gcc1? |
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| 16:26.11 | macrobat | flamingspinach: if you don't boot into windows regularly, choose utc |
| 16:26.12 | cantido | p4co: maybe.. does ia64 have ia32 emulation? |
| 16:26.19 | cantido | p4co: I remember something about that |
| 16:26.22 | flamingspinach | macrobat: I boot into windows xp pretty regularly |
| 16:26.43 | cantido | p4co: if it can run i386 binaries.. get a i386 chroot and build inside of that |
| 16:27.05 | p4co | cantido: ok thanks |
| 16:27.53 | macrobat | windows sets the clock differently, if you choose utc, debian will have the wrong time |
| 16:27.57 | cantido | p4co: otherwise you have to go through the total nightmare of building gcc, glibc, building gcc again... |
| 16:28.07 | xteejx | Hi all!! I am an Ubuntu user, but I want to start contributing to Debian directly. How do I go about helping with QA stuff? |
| 16:28.32 | cantido | xteejx: report bugs.. but against debian packages not ubuntu ones |
| 16:28.40 | bookmark | does anyone knwo what program to get the iso of a physical cdrom, like to a file? |
| 16:28.47 | bookmark | dd, wodim, genisoimage? |
| 16:28.48 | cantido | bookmark: cat |
| 16:28.58 | bookmark | for realz? |
| 16:29.00 | cantido | bookmark: dd with also work |
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| 16:29.08 | xteejx | cantido: Can I run debian unstable in virtualbox? |
| 16:29.12 | lxsys | Ok. I have a debian 5.05, with a tg3 driver network interface. Its been fine for ages, but today its been screwing around to the point the machine cant get on the network |
| 16:29.18 | cantido | bookmark: cat /dev/hda > myiso.iso |
| 16:29.24 | cantido | xteejx: yes |
| 16:29.34 | lxsys | hwo do I fix it? ive had four hours of downtime and I am beginning to feel like making an HP shaped hole in my window |
| 16:29.44 | cantido | lxsys: explain what you mean by screwing around |
| 16:29.45 | xteejx | cantido: How do I do that from a stable system? edit apt-sources.list? |
| 16:29.59 | cantido | lxsys: do you have link, are you losing packets, has the nic exploded? |
| 16:29.59 | xteejx | /etc/pat/sources.list even |
| 16:30.03 | p4co | cantido: it isn't worth it! this is only a test machine, probably in the future we will migrate to a i686 one; |
| 16:30.03 | bookmark | cantido, sounds simple enough |
| 16:30.04 | bookmark | thanks |
| 16:30.12 | cantido | xteejx: you mean upgrade a stable vm to unstable? |
| 16:30.30 | cantido | bookmark: unix is amazing ;) |
| 16:30.37 | flamingspinach | macrobat: :( seems even windows 7 doesn't support UTC in the BIOS. Terrible |
| 16:30.43 | lxsys | cantido: nothing gets in,nothing gets out. nic and switch see a link, but packets dont move around |
| 16:30.47 | xteejx | cantido: Yes, of Debian |
| 16:31.00 | cantido | lxsys: ok, what does tcpdump say |
| 16:31.13 | lxsys | I'll have a look |
| 16:31.17 | cantido | lxsys: maybe you cocked up your iptables.. |
| 16:31.43 | cantido | xteejx: I'm sure you can google that.. you might want to report bugs against testing though |
| 16:31.57 | lxsys | tcpdump isnt installed |
| 16:31.58 | bookmark | cantido, just asking once, are you sure its not /dev/hda1? |
| 16:31.59 | lxsys | and I cant |
| 16:32.08 | lxsys | because the nic is down |
| 16:32.12 | bookmark | one time double check |
| 16:32.14 | cantido | bookmark: you want the whole disk node for your cdrom |
| 16:32.19 | bookmark | k thanks |
| 16:32.37 | cantido | bookmark: hda1 would be a partition, which a cd shouldnt have, you want the whole disc |
| 16:33.04 | xteejx | cantido: To be honest, I'd rather help with doing stuff than bug reporting, I have development experience |
| 16:33.33 | cantido | xteejx: well, find something you could help out with then |
| 16:33.39 | cantido | xteejx: like a package the interests you |
| 16:33.48 | cantido | xteejx: you can submit patches in bug reports |
| 16:34.04 | cantido | lxsys: what have you ruled out? |
| 16:34.06 | xteejx | cantido: Is it the same as Ubu? i.e. generate a debdiff of changes? |
| 16:34.36 | cantido | xteejx: I presume any patch would do as long as the maintainer(s) could pick it up and try it |
| 16:34.55 | bookmark | cantido: cool its working, thanks |
| 16:34.58 | xteejx | cantido: Ok cool, I'll start looking into where I can be useful :) |
| 16:35.03 | xteejx | Thank you for the help |
| 16:35.41 | cantido | dont report too many RC bugs though.. I want squeeze to be released sometime before I die |
| 16:35.59 | xteejx | agrees |
| 16:36.37 | lxsys | cantido: all I can rule out is "broadcom are cool" at the moment. its definitely not an IRQ conflict. I'm reflashing the bios though, with an updated bios maybe it will work. |
| 16:36.48 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
| 16:36.52 | cantido | lxsys: what changed between it working and not working |
| 16:37.13 | cantido | lxsys: you seem to be going arse about face in debugging it to be honest |
| 16:37.18 | kleanchap | I have lenny with kernel 2.6.26. Now I bought a Rosewill Wifi card with RT3060 chipset. The Website gives the driver but it is for kernel 2.6.30. How do I update my kernel for Debian? |
| 16:37.27 | lxsys | i haven't changed anything |
| 16:37.31 | lxsys | nothings been changed |
| 16:37.33 | lxsys | nothing at all |
| 16:37.40 | cantido | lxsys: and it just stopped working right? |
| 16:37.43 | macrobat | wildc4rd: success, you are in #debian! |
| 16:37.49 | lxsys | yes |
| 16:38.03 | cantido | lxsys: tried and different cable? |
| 16:38.04 | xteejx | Is there a debian QA channel? |
| 16:38.05 | macrobat | !tell kleanchap about kmuto |
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| 16:38.11 | cantido | lxsys: different switch port |
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| 16:38.22 | lxsys | cantido: tried it |
| 16:38.23 | macrobat | xteejx: maybe look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 16:38.25 | lxsys | also |
| 16:38.44 | penguin42 | does anyone know where the iso search during installation actually looks? |
| 16:38.51 | cantido | lxsys: does dmesg show anything that happens.. like autoneg happening? |
| 16:38.52 | lxsys | i used to be able to reload modules and reload networking, and it would work for 10 minutes. now it works for about 10s |
| 16:39.10 | cantido | lxsys: maybe you card is overheating |
| 16:39.11 | lxsys | cantido: try this http://pastebin.ca/1984496 |
| 16:39.14 | macrobat | lxsys: something in the logs? |
| 16:39.24 | lxsys | fans are on full speed, so its not overeating |
| 16:39.33 | lxsys | *overheating |
| 16:39.41 | lxsys | om nom nom :P |
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| 16:40.01 | xteejx | fans on full sped usually suggest it IS overheating |
| 16:40.06 | cantido | lxsys: is 100MB right for your switch? |
| 16:40.28 | cantido | as xteejx says.. in server boxes.. fans on full speed is usually a failure condition |
| 16:40.33 | lxsys | cantido: yup, 100meg/s |
| 16:40.45 | cantido | i.e. a fan fails and all fans will rev up to full speed |
| 16:41.05 | Chosi | does anyone know if there are known issues with megaraid_sas in 2.6.32.25? it's working fine in my 2.6.32-5-amd64 debian image but not with the newer one :/ |
| 16:41.11 | Chosi | http://nopaste.narf.at/show/344/ |
| 16:41.14 | Chosi | that's what happens |
| 16:41.18 | xteejx | They compensate for each other, think RAID for system temperature :) |
| 16:41.23 | cantido | lxsys: ok, so it autonegs.. you really need to see if packets get in. does the RX counter increment if you ping it? |
| 16:41.55 | lxsys | its *NOT* a heat issue, i put the fans on full speed deliberately |
| 16:42.02 | lxsys | I'll try.. |
| 16:42.19 | cantido | oh, and does it have an ip address? |
| 16:42.30 | lxsys | yes |
| 16:42.36 | lxsys | it does have an IP |
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| 16:42.42 | lxsys | thats all correctly configured |
| 16:42.51 | iluminator101 | how do i scroll up in a dummy terminal? |
| 16:42.56 | cantido | lxsys: do you have another machine you could install tcpdump on? |
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| 16:43.33 | lxsys | cantido: yes I can put it on my main laptop |
| 16:43.56 | cantido | lxsys: start the other machine pinging and see what packets turn up on your laptop |
| 16:44.09 | cantido | lxsys: connect the two machines directly |
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| 16:44.36 | iluminator101 | how do i scroll up in a dummy terminal? |
| 16:44.49 | lxsys | ok |
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| 16:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: define "dummy terminal" |
| 16:45.27 | iluminator101 | just a terminal no mouse nothing |
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| 16:45.43 | cantido | lxsys: also, try another nic |
| 16:45.53 | cantido | hardware does sometimes fail |
| 16:46.16 | iluminator101 | i mean xterm |
| 16:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: in konsole/bash shift/uparrow or shift/pageup |
| 16:46.52 | lxsys | cantido: its in integrated nic |
| 16:46.56 | lxsys | i dont have another |
| 16:47.06 | lxsys | nothings turning up from the other machine |
| 16:47.09 | lxsys | ALSO |
| 16:47.26 | lxsys | "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" |
| 16:47.38 | cantido | lxsys: on the broked machine? |
| 16:47.38 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt that just brings up previous commands i wanna view command output on the command i did before kind of like scroll up |
| 16:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Did you use shift? |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Is this a VM? |
| 16:48.18 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 16:48.27 | lxsys | cantido: yes |
| 16:48.36 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: no, its a HP XW6000 |
| 16:49.04 | cantido | lxsys: ok,.. I would google that error message |
| 16:49.56 | bookmark | hmm |
| 16:50.12 | bookmark | can anyone here me? im having curses artifacts.... |
| 16:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Which release? |
| 16:50.51 | kleanchap | How do I upgrade the Debian kernel to the latest kernel? |
| 16:50.53 | rgr | something in a recent update has reset my /etc/network/interfaces file. Is there any half decent GUI to re-enable my wireless? I can see the wireless via lspci, but where to go from there? |
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| 16:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Which kernel are you running, which one are you looking for, and why? |
| 16:51.59 | peterrooney | rgr: wicd works for me |
| 16:52.07 | rgr | I dont have wicd |
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| 16:52.41 | rgr | It was using network-manager and network-manager-gnome before. |
| 16:52.41 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: debian 5.05 |
| 16:52.41 | kleanchap | jhutchins, I have 2.6.26. I have a new wifi card which is supported by newer kernel. |
| 16:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:52.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:53.02 | peterrooney | you could recommend it to your system administrator |
| 16:53.19 | peterrooney | rgr: you could recommend it to your system administrator |
| 16:53.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kleanchap about dbo |
| 16:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kleanchap about bdo |
| 16:53.47 | peterrooney | rgr: i'm assuming you have a direct line here :) |
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| 16:54.03 | lxsys | hmm.... seems to be an IRQ conflict with the SCSI controller |
| 16:54.07 | kleanchap | jhutchins, What is bdo? |
| 16:54.28 | rgr | I dont have a network conenction. I want to continue to use network-manager. I used wicd in the past. How do I know with network ID to use for example e.g wa0 or whatever? |
| 16:54.35 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: You should have a message from dpkg telling you where to find instructions on using backports for the newer kernel. |
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| 16:55.23 | kleanchap | I don't |
| 16:55.29 | kleanchap | There are no messages. |
| 16:55.48 | kleanchap | Got it. Sorry. |
| 16:56.08 | rgr | LOL : "In effect, the goal of NetworkManager is to make networking Just Work." bull. |
| 16:57.47 | cafaro | Hi, after booting Squeeze (in single-user mode) for the first time after a new installation, the boot process freezes at this message: 'ata2.00: ATA-8: TOSHIBA MK055GSX, FG001M, max UDMA/100'. What could be the problem, and how to fix it? |
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| 17:01.35 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: The kde applet worked well for me in 3.5, the plasma applet took a little wrestling but works ok. |
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| 17:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: What are you actually having trouble with, and wich release? |
| 17:02.13 | penguin42 | rgr: It's a nice goal! |
| 17:03.18 | penguin42 | anyone had success with a thumb drive install on testing? |
| 17:03.44 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: Yes, but not from the debian install guide. I used unetbootin (on lenny) and it worked fine. |
| 17:04.04 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: Interesting, did it actually fail following the install guide mech? |
| 17:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: One thing I've seen before is grub didn't install, so you need some sort of bootable resue media. |
| 17:04.22 | lxsys | I cant get my network interface to work. every time i /etc/init.d/networking reload, i getjunk from my scsi controllers moaning about IRQ. http://pastebin.com/3LUS2iPm |
| 17:04.26 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: It booted off the thumb, just refused to find the ios |
| 17:04.27 | penguin42 | iso |
| 17:04.28 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: Yeah, I couldn't get it to boot. |
| 17:05.00 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: a recent update on squeeze just seemed to totally reset my networking config. |
| 17:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Gonna have to fix the hardware before the software will work. |
| 17:05.19 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: nothing has changed hardware wise :| |
| 17:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Yeah, well, that's testing for you. |
| 17:05.34 | rgr | I can see the wireless via lspci. but have no idea how to find out what device it should be e.g eth0, ir0 or whatever |
| 17:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: So reconfigure it, or restore your backup. |
| 17:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Does it show up in ifconrig? Does it show up in iwconfig? Does it show up in network-manager? |
| 17:06.32 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: Clearly I want to reconfigure it. network-manager shows only eth0. |
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| 17:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Nonetheless, you're going to have to resolve that conflict. It's possible the software caused the IRQ of the net card to be reassigned, you may be able to change that in your bios. |
| 17:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Ok, is the wireless interface defined in interfaces? |
| 17:07.25 | jhutchins_lt | Please look at the questions I asked a moment ago. |
| 17:08.07 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: ok well I've restored the default bios config (that used to work) and i'm rebooting. keeping my fingers crossed too. |
| 17:08.46 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Here's hoping |
| 17:09.14 | lxsys | it worked... for about 5 secconds. pinged the router, and poof... it died again |
| 17:09.28 | lxsys | also I still had scsi interrupt errors in my dmes |
| 17:09.30 | lxsys | *dmesg |
| 17:09.36 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: it was but isnt now. Its ok. This was one network manager error too many ;) I have connected ethernet cable and replaced it with wicd. worked fine. Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:10.41 | penguin42 | wicd seems to work for a lot of people |
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| 17:11.38 | TrueDD | Hi al |
| 17:15.07 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: Thanks, unetbootin worked great |
| 17:15.10 | jhutchins_lt | Conversely, wicd seems to not work at all for others. It doesn't see my nic at all. |
| 17:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: Great! Did grub install (or aren't you that far yet)? |
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| 17:16.13 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: Not that far, it's doing a net install, and life will probably be a bit interesting because the machine will triple boot with 2 ubuntu versions |
| 17:17.17 | lxsys | i'm gonna try booting a livecd distro, see if it works under that |
| 17:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: That's a good way to go. |
| 17:17.46 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: I just did an Acer One netbook, and once I wiped W7 off it the install worked fine (except the grub thing). |
| 17:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: All components, wifi, webcam just work. |
| 17:18.11 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I haven't tried the SD card reader yet... |
| 17:18.20 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: Well I intend to go to a BSP next weekend so I thought I should have a Debian on the machine I'll take with! Unfortunately I've reported a bug so far rather than squashing one |
| 17:18.54 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: That's what testing is for. |
| 17:18.59 | penguin42 | nod |
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| 17:27.43 | lxsys | hmm yeah looks like the network chip has fried itself :( |
| 17:29.07 | penguin42 | :-( |
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| 17:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody running an Acer laptop that has a "Z to the z" function key (FnF4)? |
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| 17:38.08 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Can you temporarily remove the scsi card? |
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| 17:40.24 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: its onboard, just like the NIC :| |
| 17:40.25 | bibekp | hi. is it ok to ask some disk partitioning related questions here ? |
| 17:40.38 | lxsys | bibekp: yes. we dont bite. |
| 17:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | lxsys: Ok, that's pretty wierd that they would conflict. |
| 17:41.05 | lxsys | jhutchins_lt: yes, AND ive disabled the scsi in the bios |
| 17:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | Ok,so that should fix it. Yeah, these things do fail. |
| 17:42.28 | lxsys | tbh i've now had 5-6 hours of downtime. eek. I'm going to try installing a new NIC. |
| 17:42.34 | bibekp | lxsys, i copied a 15 gb partition using dd (say, into file.img). after that, i used dd again to append 20 gb to file.img. Using losetup, i have mounted file.img to /dev/loop1. I want to 1. expand the partition in loop1 to ocupy the whole disk. 2. i want to create new partitions in that disk. any suggestions ? |
| 17:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | The advent of Linux in the late 90's revealed that a significant number of problems attributed to "blasted lousy windows" were, in fact, hardware failures. Given the evidence that hardware quality was poor regardless of operating system, significant improvements were made in quality control. |
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| 17:43.26 | lxsys | bibekp: i'd use gparted to expand |
| 17:43.38 | bibekp | lxsys, it is a remote system |
| 17:43.44 | lxsys | ouch... |
| 17:43.45 | bibekp | i have only ssh |
| 17:44.02 | jordanm | GNU parted has an interactive mode |
| 17:44.03 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: I don't think partitions work the way you expect them to. |
| 17:44.46 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: Michael Shuler helpfully pointed out the error of my ways - mini.iso is exactly the wrong iso to use; although it's not exactly obvious |
| 17:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: I'm very skeptical of concatenating a second partition onto the first, and why expand to the whole disk if you're then going to shrink it and make other partitions. |
| 17:45.31 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, the reason i am here asking question is that i dont know the right way of doing this thing. i thought that was obvious |
| 17:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: Yeah, mini and businesscard are often cited because they fit on a smal stick, but netinst is the one that's most useful. |
| 17:46.06 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, i have a backup of the original, unexpanded image (created using dd). how do i start? |
| 17:46.10 | penguin42 | jhutchins_lt: mini is a no-no - it doesn't actually contain the rest of the installer, hence the thing that searches for the iso skips it |
| 17:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: What I would suggest would be to create the final partitioning scheme you want, whether that's one big one or several smaller ones. Use rsync to transfer the files to the partitions. |
| 17:46.47 | fbs | bibekp: backup, format, lvm, restore? |
| 17:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | penguin42: Sounds like that's something I can clean up out of my library. |
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| 17:48.35 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, i didnt understand you totally. should revert (back to unexpanded partition image), or continue from where i am now. |
| 17:49.21 | lxsys | new NIC is in the server, let's boot this thing |
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| 17:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: If you no longer have the sources, I would revert to the original images and mount them via loopback _without_ combining them. |
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| 17:51.37 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, here's my scenario: i have file.img and a directory named var. i want to create a partition in file.img where i could rsync the contents of var directory. for that i need additional space in file.img. |
| 17:52.28 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: I have to go get truck parts. Perhaps you should explain what it is you're trying to accomplish in the end rather than details of your technique. Hopefully someone else will understand what you're doing. |
| 17:52.29 | lxsys | damn. the new nic I put in is faulty too |
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| 17:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | That's not how images or partitions work as I understand it. |
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| 17:53.07 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, i am trying to clone an existing xen virtual machine. |
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| 17:53.43 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, what part of what i said doesnt conform to your understanding of partitions? if you said that, it would be easier for me to understand and explain |
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| 17:57.11 | jordanm | bibekp: why are you bothering with image files at all? |
| 17:58.03 | bibekp | jordanm, because i was given an image file to start with |
| 17:58.11 | bibekp | and then to clone the rest of the vm |
| 17:58.37 | jordanm | like a qemu or vbox image? |
| 17:58.50 | bibekp | jordanm, xen |
| 17:59.09 | bibekp | jordanm, file.img is the image of the root filesystem (/) of an existing vm |
| 17:59.09 | jordanm | and the goal was what again? |
| 17:59.29 | bibekp | the directory var/ contains the content of the /var filesystem of the same vm |
| 17:59.37 | bibekp | now i have to get var/ inside file.img |
| 17:59.58 | jordanm | boot the file.img in xen and use rsync? |
| 18:00.10 | bibekp | file.img doesnt have enough space for var/ right now |
| 18:00.40 | bibekp | and i'd prefer var/ to be on a different partition |
| 18:01.22 | jordanm | alright, so boot file.img in xen, along with a newly created image file, mount it, and rsync |
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| 18:01.41 | bibekp | jordanm, which newly created image file, i didnt get you |
| 18:01.51 | jordanm | one that you create, with dd |
| 18:02.06 | bibekp | jordanm, ok. an empty img. |
| 18:02.17 | jordanm | yes, and then partition it from within xen |
| 18:02.20 | bibekp | jordanm, aha |
| 18:02.24 | bibekp | cool |
| 18:02.45 | bibekp | thanks. i'll try this one jordanm |
| 18:02.54 | jordanm | bibekp: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Xen/InstallingCentOSDomU |
| 18:03.03 | jordanm | that has an example of using dd to create an image file |
| 18:03.10 | bibekp | jordanm, i can do it with dd |
| 18:03.40 | bibekp | jordanm, i am not clear what part of my question went against the general principles of partitions etc. i want to learn |
| 18:04.17 | jordanm | bibekp: partition data is stored at the beginning of a hard disk. you can not simply append a new partition to the end |
| 18:04.38 | bibekp | jordanm, but can we not create partitions from free space in a partition ? |
| 18:04.43 | jordanm | you may be able to increase the size of the image, and then repartition it however |
| 18:04.48 | bibekp | thats what i said |
| 18:04.55 | jordanm | that was unclear |
| 18:05.01 | bibekp | i increased the size of the image, and wanted to repartition it. that was my question |
| 18:05.40 | bibekp | jordanm, how do i achieve this? |
| 18:05.43 | jordanm | my interprettation, and likely jhutchins, was that you wanted to add a image of a partition to another and expect it to work.. even already including data |
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| 18:06.05 | bibekp | no, that was not my question. maybe i didnt put it in the right way |
| 18:06.34 | jelly-home | bibekp: make a loopback device out of the image, use a partitioning tool like parted or gparted on that device |
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| 18:06.58 | bibekp | jelly-home, i have made a loopback device using losetup |
| 18:07.31 | jordanm | bibekp: to increase the the size you will have to use seek= in dd, and add zeros to the end of the partition |
| 18:07.33 | bibekp | now parted doesnt recognize the filesystem, while fdisk does. |
| 18:08.06 | jelly-home | bibekp: what is the exact command you're trying to run, with parted? |
| 18:08.10 | lxsys | i'm trying a 2nd 2nd nic. |
| 18:08.13 | lxsys | i hope this one works |
| 18:08.28 | bibekp | parted /dev/loop1 and inside the parted prompt: "print" |
| 18:08.38 | bibekp | jelly-home, |
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| 18:10.29 | jelly-home | bibekp: and what's the error you get? |
| 18:10.30 | nkuttler | !tell zomgbie about pdo |
| 18:12.53 | jelly-home | bibekp: use a pastebin if it's more than 1-2 lines |
| 18:14.42 | jelly-home | bibekp: also, pastebin the output of sfdisk -d /dev/loop1 |
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| 18:26.19 | Chosi | does anyone know what version of 2.6.32 broke megaraid_sas? |
| 18:26.35 | Chosi | or what's the last working version that has it working? |
| 18:28.31 | iluminator101 | how do in reinstall system prefrences and adminstration in gnome panel |
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| 18:30.05 | iluminator101 | how do in reinstall system preferences and administration in gnome panel |
| 18:30.57 | fbs | restore the gnome panal? |
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| 18:31.40 | wm4 | I have a source package in form of a dsc file and two tar files (one with "orig" in it, one with "debian"), how to I turn it into a deb? |
| 18:31.53 | wm4 | google and debian wiki were non-useful |
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| 18:32.05 | fbs | iluminator101: http://www.watchingthenet.com/restore-panels-in-ubuntu-back-to-their-default-settings.html |
| 18:34.01 | cafaro | Hi, after booting Squeeze (in single-user mode) for the first time after a new installation, the boot process freezes at this message: 'ata2.00: ATA-8: TOSHIBA MK055GSX, FG001M, max UDMA/100'. What could be the problem, and how to fix it? |
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| 18:53.12 | flamingspinach | shouldn't ctrl+alt+backspace kill the X server? |
| 18:53.40 | wm4 | flamingspinach: yes, but only if it's enabled in the x config |
| 18:53.50 | flamingspinach | ah |
| 18:54.11 | iluminator101 | gnome is missing system preferences and administration how do i reinstall them |
| 18:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | Defaults to off without a config now, right? |
| 18:54.52 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt?? |
| 18:54.58 | wm4 | makes me want to make a comment about how the xorg folks think their software is stable enough to not need such a reset shortcut |
| 18:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | Seems like it was still working in lenny. |
| 18:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Sorry, I don't do gnome. |
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| 18:55.52 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: I was commenting on ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | dbugs 599245 |
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| 19:02.34 | bint | hi there |
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| 19:02.51 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 19:02.56 | bint | my server did shutdown and then rebootet again |
| 19:03.08 | bint | i dont know why it did it... nobody was on the server at that time |
| 19:03.18 | bint | is there a way to see, why it did shut down or reboot? |
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| 19:03.35 | AlexC_ | the file /etc/security/limits.conf - if I set a max filesize (fsize) to 50MB for everyone, does this also effect deamon users such as 'mysql'? |
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| 19:04.37 | Gorroth | hi |
| 19:04.43 | Gorroth | any package maintainers in here? |
| 19:04.54 | Gorroth | i'm new to it, and i'm having difficulty understanding something regarding patches |
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| 19:07.26 | Gorroth | basically, if i create a unified diff file and put it in debian/patches, will it be applied when i run dpkg-buildpackage, or do i need to apply the patches ahead of time? |
| 19:07.50 | Gorroth | in which case i guess the patch file is only there so someone can undo all the patches and get back to the original source? |
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| 19:15.45 | mooperd | hello, how do I use the spamassasin plugin AutoLearnThreshold? |
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| 19:19.49 | flamingspinach | jhutchins: xorg.conf doesn't seem to exist - where is X getting its configuration from? |
| 19:20.41 | penguin42 | flamingspinach: These days X figures stuff out from the hardware most of the time |
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| 19:20.48 | penguin42 | flamingspinach: But if you create one it'll use it |
| 19:21.16 | epeen | how do i change the resolution of a console ? |
| 19:21.30 | flamingspinach | penguin42: I see. I'm tring to make ctrl+alt+backspace work, and apparently that requires me to add a line to the InputDevice section of xorg.conf which describes my keyboard |
| 19:21.46 | flamingspinach | but according to the manpage, I need to specify a device within each such InputDevice section, and I'm not sure how to do that |
| 19:21.59 | penguin42 | flamingspinach: I haven't done that, but I think you can do it by creating a file which just has the appropriate InputDevice section in for your keyboard |
| 19:22.18 | flamingspinach | right, but what is "the appropriate InputDevice section for my keyboard"? |
| 19:22.32 | flamingspinach | I'm wondering if it is stored somewhere, or if I can get X to dump what it has autodetected about my keyboard |
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| 19:23.03 | Laugarhraun | heyy |
| 19:23.23 | penguin42 | you can run X -configure that will generate an xorg.conf but it's sometimes worse than the normal auto detect, but it might give you a stanza for the inputdevice |
| 19:23.40 | Laugarhraun | I recently plugged a wifi dongle into my server |
| 19:24.05 | Laugarhraun | the question is: how can I know thing in /dev/sxx is to be mounted? |
| 19:24.15 | Laugarhraun | and how do I mount it (got no idea abut the fs...) |
| 19:25.16 | flamingspinach | penguin42: I can't run X -configure without shutting down the X server, and I can't do that without ctrl+alt+backspace, it seems... |
| 19:25.34 | Gorroth | well, i take it no one is a package maintainer then. i should probably email the dev groups |
| 19:25.47 | penguin42 | flamingspinach: Don't you love loops like that :-) |
| 19:26.00 | flamingspinach | :( |
| 19:26.24 | Gorroth | flamingspinach: kill X by using /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 19:26.30 | penguin42 | flamingspinach: If you logout, do ctrl-alt-f1 you should get a text console, do /etc/init.d/gdm stop (might be display manager or the like) that should stop X |
| 19:26.42 | Gorroth | flamingspinach: then you'll be in a console, and you can run X -configure |
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| 19:31.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Gorroth about debsrc3.0 |
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| 19:32.48 | themill | Gorroth: the patches are still necessary to transform the tarball that upstream distributes (which you can hopefully check is the one debian is distributing from a cryptographic hash of some sort) and then make it suitable for use in debian |
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| 19:34.34 | Gorroth | themill: heh, what you just said made little sense to me. i'll read that page you offered me and see what i can figure out though. |
| 19:35.15 | Gorroth | also, it seemed a bit of a pain to work with quilt directly. it was easier for me to create a "diff -ur" between my original source and my modified source |
| 19:35.28 | Gorroth | i hope that's a legal way to do it |
| 19:37.57 | epeen | does no one here know how to adjust a console's resolution? |
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| 19:38.41 | vtts | epeen, http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-change-console-resolution.html |
| 19:39.07 | epeen | epic, i'm on a console and you expect me to follow a link. |
| 19:39.10 | epeen | ...brilliant. |
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| 19:40.56 | vtts | ok then, add "vga=791" as kernel argument |
| 19:41.52 | Deathspawn | lynx + http://j.mp/ap1g5P = profit |
| 19:42.49 | themill | Gorroth: you can feed patches to quilt yourself or use a set of git branches to make the patches etc (e.g. topgit) |
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| 19:49.41 | epeen | thanks, themill. brb |
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| 19:51.52 | Laugarhraun | there is sg0..sg3 |
| 19:52.18 | Laugarhraun | however, only 1 usb (a wiki dongle) is plugged in |
| 19:52.26 | Laugarhraun | how can I know wich one it is? |
| 19:52.50 | Laugarhraun | (er, sg1 is cdrom) |
| 19:54.59 | Laugarhraun | help anyone? |
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| 19:59.22 | arosen | Hello, I see that debian offers a pxe boot image to do the netinstall of debian. Is there anyway to do a pxe boot of that image straight to a command line? |
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| 20:08.17 | joltcan | arosen: you just need to edit the "default" file in your tftp directory |
| 20:08.37 | joltcan | arosen: that file includes the menu options that are available |
| 20:08.58 | joltcan | arosen: or just modify the debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/menu.cfg that is called from the default file |
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| 20:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | I have a webcam that works under mplayer - how do I enable it in pidgin? |
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| 20:21.40 | Laugarhraun | pleaase! |
| 20:21.47 | Laugarhraun | so I got this wiki usb key |
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| 20:21.53 | Laugarhraun | I olugged it in (on a server) |
| 20:22.04 | Laugarhraun | how do I get it to work? How do I, first, mount it? |
| 20:22.09 | Laugarhraun | *plugged |
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| 20:25.35 | Bushmills | just like another storage device, like hard disks |
| 20:26.29 | Bushmills | or you can be lazy and look at for example usbmount |
| 20:27.12 | Laugarhraun | Bushmills: what is the filesystem... ? |
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| 20:27.31 | Bushmills | is that a riddle? |
| 20:27.38 | Laugarhraun | nope |
| 20:27.46 | Laugarhraun | I don't know the filesystem of my wifi usb key... |
| 20:27.48 | Bushmills | how should i know. it is your usb device |
| 20:28.02 | Laugarhraun | derp |
| 20:28.02 | Bushmills | fdisk -l |
| 20:28.30 | Bushmills | disktype /dev/yourdevice |
| 20:28.31 | Laugarhraun | there is only my /dev/sda there |
| 20:29.01 | Laugarhraun | I don't have disktype... |
| 20:29.16 | Bushmills | then ask your admin to install it for you |
| 20:29.24 | Laugarhraun | got no admin :) |
| 20:29.55 | Bushmills | then learn how you can install things you don't have to your installation |
| 20:30.39 | Laugarhraun | reading man mount didn't actually help me |
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| 20:44.39 | sedulous | is there an OCR program for LaTeX? like, i have a PDF that was generated with LaTeX and would like to convert it bac |
| 20:44.47 | sedulous | *back |
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| 20:45.07 | sedulous | i only care about formulas really |
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| 20:59.05 | evilgeenius | How can i boot into windows from my boot menu if my keyboard's down key is broke? (my primary os is linux) |
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| 21:03.02 | evilgeenius | please help |
| 21:03.29 | Bushmills | set the default boot image in your boot loader to the one you want to boot, then reboot |
| 21:03.47 | AimHere | Also number pad might work |
| 21:04.01 | AimHere | You may have to twiddle the Num Lock button appropriately |
| 21:04.02 | evilgeenius | Bushmills: how can I do that? |
| 21:04.13 | AimHere | Depends on your boot loader |
| 21:04.26 | Bushmills | you boot, then use an interactive boot loader configuration frontend, called an "editor" |
| 21:04.42 | evilgeenius | I am using grub, i have ubuntu installed |
| 21:04.45 | naphex | Bushmills: will he be able to boot back to linux to modify grub's configuration? |
| 21:04.56 | AimHere | Ubuntu? This is #debian. |
| 21:05.33 | Bushmills | naphex: that wasn't one of the questions |
| 21:05.34 | evilgeenius | I have debian on another box, and the #debian folk generally know more than the #ubuntu folk.. |
| 21:06.05 | naphex | Bushmills: right, but if he ens up stuck in windows afterwards... |
| 21:06.27 | Bushmills | there'd still be an option to connect a working keyboard |
| 21:06.44 | evilgeenius | Can i not modify my grub boot from ubuntu? |
| 21:06.57 | Bushmills | googles this funny term "ubuntu" |
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| 21:08.54 | Laugarhraun | how can I enable the testing repository with aptitude? for a single download (usb-modeswitch) |
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| 21:33.48 | jhutchins | I swear there was a mic on the mixer yesterday, today, nothing, just the generic stereo audio. Argh! |
| 21:41.32 | karlpinc | Laugarhraun: You don't. Mixing releases is bad. Instead you either get something from backports or (in irc) /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:44.34 | un214 | I am leaving ubuntu for their repeated abuses |
| 21:44.59 | un214 | I am convinced they do not respect unix and are trying to recreate windows on top of the linux core |
| 21:45.03 | un214 | that must not be done |
| 21:46.38 | Hydroxide | un214: ok. whatever one's views are on ubuntu, this channel should focus on supporting debian, not bashing ubuntu. that said, if you want help using debian instead, we can do that :) |
| 21:47.07 | un214 | debian core is already installed |
| 21:47.23 | un214 | I'm just waiting for the new stable as I already know the old stable doesn't support my hardware |
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| 21:47.55 | Hydroxide | ok. the upcoming stable is already frozen and is quite usable already if the (relatively few) remaining bugs don't affect you |
| 21:47.56 | un214 | I'm running a ubuntu usermode in chroot from debian core until then |
| 21:48.13 | Hydroxide | you could try the recently released beta of the new stable's debian installer |
| 21:48.21 | un214 | don't need it |
| 21:48.24 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 21:48.40 | un214 | all I need is to set /etc/apt/sources and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:48.55 | un214 | (I installed from debootstrap and switched roots) |
| 21:49.11 | zinx | un214: please read the Debian Installation Guide for the particular release when you upgrade to the new stable |
| 21:49.21 | zinx | un214: it's often not as simple as just "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:49.28 | Hydroxide | zinx: I was about to say something similar, but more the release notes not the installation guide |
| 21:49.36 | un214 | right now my sources is set to garbage |
| 21:49.49 | zinx | Hydroxide: the Installation Guide has instructions for how to upgrade from the previous stable version |
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| 21:50.05 | Hydroxide | un214: when you do upgrade, check http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes especially chapter 4 |
| 21:50.08 | un214 | I had to mix packages from two versions at the time |
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| 21:50.24 | Hydroxide | zinx: I think you're confusing the two documents... |
| 21:50.31 | zinx | Hydroxide: i may be. |
| 21:50.40 | zinx | Hydroxide: i've run sid since the beginning of time >_< |
| 21:51.00 | Hydroxide | zinx: yeah, just checked the install guide - it's not there, and it is in the release notes. but, yes, checking the upgrade guidance (regardless of document) is highly advisable |
| 21:51.08 | zinx | aye |
| 21:51.11 | Hydroxide | since there are a few gotchas, as usual, but not if you read the release notes first, hopefully |
| 21:51.18 | Bushmills | was "garbage" a toy story character too? |
| 21:51.38 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: no :) at least if it is debian hasn't used it yet |
| 21:51.48 | Hydroxide | after lenny will be squeeze, then wheezy |
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| 21:56.17 | iluminator101 | is the server cd separate for debian squeeze or it comes with netinstall? |
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| 22:02.24 | iluminator101 | debian server is included in the netinstall or is it a separate cd?? |
| 22:03.02 | Hydroxide | iluminator101: there's separate "debian server", only debian. if you are ok with downloading packages as needed from the internet then you don't need another cd |
| 22:03.14 | Hydroxide | iluminator101: I mean, the package manager will do the downloading |
| 22:03.23 | arosen | Hello, I'm trying to use dd over netcat. I've used pxe boot to boot the debian net installer in rescue mode. Now i've dropped down to a root shell. Though I'm having a hard time figuring out what /dev/* is my harddrive. And idea how to find that out? Some reason fdisk isn't on the net install cd. |
| 22:04.11 | dondelelcaro | arosen: dmesg will tell you |
| 22:04.41 | arosen | dmesg | grep sd doesn't show anything :( |
| 22:04.48 | dondelelcaro | arosen: you can also look in /proc |
| 22:05.04 | arosen | dondelelcaro: any idea where in /proc? |
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| 22:05.32 | dondelelcaro | arosen: /proc/partitions |
| 22:05.43 | iluminator101 | Hydroxide, so business card edition is the server only?? |
| 22:07.10 | jhutchins | iluminator101: Server is sort of a custom subset. It's a basic install without selecting things like desktop. In the package selection menu there are several different server options. |
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| 22:07.36 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.15 | streuner_ | heh, since when you need to register at OFTC? |
| 22:10.55 | streuner_ | in order to speak, its the same crap like +r |
| 22:11.56 | arosen | dondelelcaro: when i cat /proc/partitions it doesn't have anything in there. Is it possible that I need to run something to have it detect it? This is detected during the install process |
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| 22:14.43 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: every now and then we go +r or +M, because of spammers. |
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| 22:15.16 | arosen | dondelelcaro: it seems like the netinstaller goes out and downloads a bunch of stuff and then the detect disk works. Any way I got get those files though wget and not have the netinstaller get them automatically ? |
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| 22:15.18 | spersaud | whats the best product to use for wireless print server in linux ? |
| 22:15.21 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, its a easy solution, but not helpful for *most* users.... |
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| 22:15.45 | arosen | Or any idea what what the netinstaller runs to detect the disks |
| 22:15.51 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: it's trivial to register |
| 22:15.53 | adnc | how can i prevent debian from loading pcspkr kernel module? i placed a blacklist but didnt help |
| 22:15.59 | dondelelcaro | arosen: it just loads modules. that's it |
| 22:16.04 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 22:16.25 | spersaud | adnc: you can also turn of the bell in terminal |
| 22:16.35 | spersaud | *off* |
| 22:16.46 | adnc | spersaud, i just do not want to load the module |
| 22:17.02 | spersaud | adnc: well you should be able to blacklist it ... |
| 22:17.09 | spersaud | I did it before , check google |
| 22:17.10 | arosen | dondelelcaro: any idea why command does that? Or should I just figure out what module it uses and then do modprobe on that ? |
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| 22:17.21 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: but there are about 200 users who didnt get that yet... |
| 22:17.55 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: according that we have usually about 900 users in #d... |
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| 22:18.28 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: if they want to talk, they can register; it's pretty simple |
| 22:18.32 | Hydroxide | streuner_: if you have better ideas to deal with the kind of spammer attack which comes from lots of different nicks and IPs in a rapid amount of time, do tell :) |
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| 22:18.55 | dondelelcaro | we try to keep it so people who aren't registered can talk in the channels, but we'll go +r or +M at a moments notice |
| 22:19.29 | streuner_ | Hydroxide: it costs us more time, but you are right, acutally i dont have a better idea too :-( |
| 22:19.55 | Hydroxide | streuner_: thanks for pointing out that the immediate attack was past, which is why we removed the +r/+M |
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| 22:20.01 | Hydroxide | but, yeah, that's why it happens |
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| 22:24.43 | lxsys | goodnight, and goodbye. |
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| 22:25.17 | trebuchet | What exactly does "enterprise" mean? |
| 22:25.22 | streuner_ | uh |
| 22:25.24 | trebuchet | In terms of IT/computers. |
| 22:25.27 | streuner_ | !enterprise |
| 22:25.27 | dpkg | well, enterprise is a marketing buzzword which means "big, expensive, complex, and so full of bugs that you require a support contract to keep it running", or dict says an organization created for business ventures. check http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 22:25.57 | trebuchet | Hopefully GNU+Linux will never be enterprise ready. |
| 22:26.05 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 22:26.52 | blackshirt | trebuchet: i don't think so.. |
| 22:27.58 | rahsputin | Hi, i am running the source package of DING with: $ wish8.5 ding is there a way to display the special german Characters in UTF-8 |
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| 22:29.40 | iluminator101 | can you point me to debian squeezer server cd? |
| 22:29.46 | iluminator101 | can you point me to debian squeeze server cd? |
| 22:30.01 | bint | hey there.. my system somhow crashed last night... i dunno why but the server rebootet.. - i had a crypted harddisk in it and when i try to mount it with cryptmount it comes out: failed to open keyfile "/mounthd/mnthd.key" for target "mnthd" failed to extract cipher key |
| 22:30.03 | bint | anyone? |
| 22:30.11 | streuner_ | iluminator101: nah, we cant |
| 22:30.32 | streuner_ | iluminator101: devel installers are based on unstable and testing software... |
| 22:30.51 | jhutchins | I have working sound in squeeze, yet I do not appear to have alsa. Also, my internal microphone disappeared from the mixer, and there was never a control for the external. |
| 22:30.59 | streuner_ | iluminator101: if you want using something for servers, you should use lenny/stable installers |
| 22:31.38 | dutchfish | there is a beta installer for squeeze atm |
| 22:32.02 | streuner_ | but, its stable? |
| 22:32.08 | streuner_ | in Debian terms? |
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| 22:32.35 | streuner_ | i dont want to use that for a server |
| 22:32.36 | dutchfish | well, i have used it quiet some times this week, and i must admit it is quiet useable for most tasks. |
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| 22:32.53 | dutchfish | not for a server, ehe, its testing |
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| 22:34.57 | papabaer | hello, does a pdf plugin for browser exist in debian, beside acrobat? |
| 22:35.27 | jhutchins | papabaer: kpdf, xpdf, probably something gnomeish as well. |
| 22:35.59 | streuner_ | well, even the one of acrobat doesnt work 100 percent |
| 22:36.00 | jelly-home | papabaer: the kde file manager/browser seems to integrate the kde pdf thingy |
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| 22:36.28 | papabaer | but nothing embedded in chromium or firefox |
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| 22:36.40 | g0rd0n | is there a way to list, recursively, all files created today? |
| 22:37.04 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: there is no "created time" timestamp in Linux |
| 22:37.12 | streuner_ | papabaer: the acrobat plugin is integrated in FF, but you can only pray if it works |
| 22:37.15 | g0rd0n | i mean modified |
| 22:37.30 | papabaer | streuner_: ok |
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| 22:37.37 | papabaer | that is sad |
| 22:37.39 | un214 | okular |
| 22:37.51 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: modified, sure. -mtime -1 parameters to find. /msg dpkg using find |
| 22:37.51 | Benkinooby | g0rd0n, hm... not sure but i thing if you 'man find' you will be able to get wat you want |
| 22:37.58 | streuner_ | papabaer: i didnt upgrade that thingie, maybe it helps then |
| 22:38.20 | g0rd0n | thank you! |
| 22:38.32 | jelly-home | papabaer: I prefer when the browser downloads the pdf and opens a separate app, like it usually does |
| 22:38.57 | papabaer | streuner_: i do not want to use it :) i was hopeing for an open source plugin ( on the back of poppler, okular, evince,... ) |
| 22:38.59 | jelly-home | plugins are... less stable |
| 22:39.38 | streuner_ | even in 98 it works, but Linux has many problems |
| 22:39.43 | Benkinooby | g0rd0n, i don't know how much of a pro you are. but if you have a man file open, you can search for a term with pressing '/' and then scroll the entries with 'n' forward and 'N' backwards |
| 22:40.00 | papabaer | jelly-home: i would agree but at the moment I'm searching for jobs and the designers use embedded pdf... |
| 22:40.02 | Benkinooby | g0rd0n, i tell you, because the man file of find is very big ;) |
| 22:40.31 | g0rd0n | i know :) thanks |
| 22:40.54 | jelly-home | papabaer: there's acroread in d-m repository, probably the plugin as well |
| 22:41.02 | streuner_ | huh |
| 22:41.11 | jelly-home | !dmm |
| 22:41.11 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 22:41.23 | streuner_ | acroread you should download at adobe itself, nowadays... |
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| 22:41.41 | streuner_ | dmm doesnt have a package (newer) actually |
| 22:41.54 | streuner_ | forget dmm now |
| 22:42.08 | streuner_ | adobe has a deb package |
| 22:42.22 | streuner_ | sad, but trure |
| 22:42.30 | streuner_ | s/trure/true/ |
| 22:42.35 | jelly-home | ,versions acroread |
| 22:42.38 | judd | Package acroread on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0 |
| 22:42.51 | jelly-home | 9.4 seems reasonably fresh |
| 22:43.52 | jelly-home | I would be rather wary of Adobe's .deb after having experienced their flash plugin packaging |
| 22:44.22 | jelly-home | ,versions mozilla-acroread |
| 22:44.23 | judd | Package mozilla-acroread on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4-0.0 |
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| 22:44.34 | jelly-home | ,info mozilla-acroread |
| 22:44.36 | judd | No record of package 'mozilla-acroread' in lenny/i386. |
| 22:44.45 | jelly-home | ,info mozilla-acroread --release squeeze |
| 22:44.46 | judd | No record of package 'mozilla-acroread' in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:44.50 | jelly-home | ,info mozilla-acroread --release squeeze-multimedia |
| 22:44.52 | judd | Package mozilla-acroread (non-free/text, optional) in squeeze-multimedia/i386: Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for mozilla / konqueror. Version: 9.4-0.0; Size: 90.6k; Installed: 272k; Homepage: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html |
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| 22:44.56 | jelly-home | sigh |
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| 22:45.40 | themill | jelly-home: (patches welcome... that sort of fail over is planned but unfortunately a lot of work with the UDD layout) |
| 22:46.06 | jelly-home | themill: Homepage URL is from the package? This one is a 404 |
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| 22:46.24 | themill | jelly-home: tell marillat, it's from his package |
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| 22:47.24 | jelly-home | streuner_: 9.4 is what upstream has for download as well, so, d-m at least isn't out of date |
| 22:47.31 | papabaer | ok. trying acroread *angst*Ã |
| 22:47.54 | streuner_ | jelly-home: must be new then, because it wasnt at dmm lately |
| 22:48.15 | jelly-home | streuner_: you may be missing the non-free part of his repo |
| 22:48.28 | streuner_ | jelly-home: nah |
| 22:48.58 | streuner_ | jelly-home: that package wasnt in dmm since months |
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| 22:49.42 | jelly-home | streuner_: at least in i386, it was. |
| 22:49.56 | streuner_ | jelly-home: not for sid |
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| 22:52.21 | jelly-home | *shrug* now it's there. I didn't see it missing. Installed 9.3.4 on 2010-08-22 and 9.4 on 2010-10-08 |
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| 22:57.19 | papabaer | acrobat reader plugin is not working with chromium |
| 22:57.48 | jhutchins | SO very strange, on squeeze/kde I thought I had a microphone listed when I first installed, but now it's just the "Stereo Audio Device". Skype couldn't use the built-in mic. |
| 22:58.12 | jhutchins | I also notice there's no gui package manager installed - which I'm ok with, it's just easier to browse some tiems. |
| 22:58.15 | jhutchins | times even. |
| 22:58.35 | jhutchins | Switching keyboards makes typing harder. |
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| 23:00.45 | g_ | hi, i'm trying to install lenny ia64 onto a vmware with a 64bit 2.6 kernal, and no matter whether i dl the netinst, business card or full cd1, the vm hangs just after the bios screen. i've never had this problem with any other os. has anyone heard of this before? |
| 23:00.59 | jhutchins | Sigh. Guess I have to wake for the Europeans to wake up. |
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| 23:01.50 | themill | g_: the chances of you wanting ia64 is quite slim. You probably wanted amd64. |
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| 23:02.46 | trebuchet | what about my xeon |
| 23:02.59 | g_ | themill: even with an intel 64-bit? |
| 23:03.13 | deepy | jhutchins: why not just install a gui packet manager if you need one? |
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| 23:03.30 | themill | yes, the architecture is named after the developers not the manufacturers. /msg dpkg why amd64 |
| 23:03.50 | papabaer | jhutchins: maybe use pulseaudio? |
| 23:04.07 | g_ | ok, thanks themill |
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| 23:14.31 | jhutchins | papabaer: I presume pulseaudio was responsible for the situation in the first place. |
| 23:14.46 | jhutchins | deepy: Oh, easy enough to do, but I nearly never use it. |
| 23:15.03 | jhutchins | deepy: Just interesting that it's not the default. |
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| 23:19.50 | bint | is it possible to mount the content of /home into another folder? if yes - how? |
| 23:20.20 | papabaer | jhutchins: pulseaudio -D starts it, then in skype choose pulseaudio |
| 23:20.41 | petemc | bint: bind mount |
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| 23:21.03 | papabaer | after that u can use padevchooser and select the correct i/o devices |
| 23:21.24 | bint | petemc bind mount /home /otherfolder |
| 23:21.28 | bint | woult be right then? |
| 23:21.35 | papabaer | easy to use a bluetooth headset with this setup |
| 23:22.09 | petemc | bint: its documented |
| 23:22.42 | petemc | man mount |
| 23:22.49 | Zitty | hi, does anyone know if it is still possible to have a boot splash, like splashy, now with grub2? |
| 23:22.51 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.40 | Bushmills | reading docs is for weenies |
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| 23:24.04 | petemc | its ok to skim them |
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| 23:24.46 | Bushmills | well, ok. one could pretend not to read it. |
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| 23:27.36 | themill | I've got 16 lines of bans to clean. Enjoy the noise or tell your client to ignore mode changes. |
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| 23:32.35 | serenity | hallo |
| 23:32.50 | serenity | my NIC is a intel 3945 with support for wake on wlan. How can i activate this feature? |
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| 23:38.37 | Bushmills | usually, with a wire from NIC to power control |
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| 23:40.11 | serenity | Bushmills: would be a bit nasty in a laptop i assume. iwl3945 should have this function and now i want to check if it's enabled |
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| 23:40.32 | Bushmills | send a WOL package to the NIC |
| 23:40.39 | Bushmills | packet ... |
| 23:40.56 | serenity | oh |
| 23:41.03 | serenity | would be the easiest |
| 23:41.35 | serenity | thanks |
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| 23:44.55 | jelly-home | didn't even know wireless cards had WOL |
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