| 00:00.23 | terminator | I have already tried that and I am still having the same problem. |
| 00:00.23 | jhutchins2 | lotus-blade: Have you verified the md5sum of the iso images you used and verified that they were burned accurately? |
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| 00:01.00 | lotus-blade | just came back with a bas copy when I retested the disk |
| 00:01.27 | jhutchins2 | terminator: Somehow I suspect that one thing you haven't tried is the aptitude manpage. |
| 00:01.31 | faheem | lotus-blade: what is a bas copy |
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| 00:01.51 | faheem | you mean bad copy? |
| 00:02.10 | lotus-blade | yup |
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| 00:03.16 | terminator | Do you have any recomendations please??? |
| 00:03.42 | faheem | terminator: where is libapache2-mod-bwshare from? |
| 00:03.50 | ehnde | anyone know why both top and /proc/meminfo would be showing me only 5gb of ram when i actually have 6gb? |
| 00:03.57 | faheem | i don't see it listed here |
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| 00:05.18 | terminator | I think it came from apache2 |
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| 00:05.40 | faheem | terminator: no, it's a separate package |
| 00:05.52 | faheem | did you actually want it? |
| 00:05.53 | terminator | Can I show you something in a pm? |
| 00:05.59 | faheem | ok |
| 00:07.00 | Nichi | Does anyuone know the default user password on debian |
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| 00:07.34 | babilen | terminator: You have apache2.2-common installed, a2dismod is therefore installed and the prerm script of bwshare is still complaining about a2dismod? |
| 00:07.53 | babilen | Nichi: I am not aware of any default user password |
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| 00:08.24 | Nichi | Well |
| 00:08.31 | zak_ | hi |
| 00:08.35 | babilen | welcome |
| 00:08.45 | zak_ | how to format COMPLETELY an external usb disk |
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| 00:08.59 | Nichi | Then why is debian screensaver on live-debian saving I entered the incorrect password when I leave the field blank? |
| 00:10.01 | babilen | Nichi: Ah, debian-live -- no idea, sorry |
| 00:10.31 | zak_ | how to format COMPLETELY an external usb disk ? |
| 00:10.37 | Nichi | Uh oh |
| 00:10.43 | Nichi | Does it have a channel too? |
| 00:11.04 | Nichi | IF not everytime I leave for a few minutes I'll be rebooting |
| 00:12.45 | babilen | zak_: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/YOUR_USB_DISK would be a start |
| 00:13.05 | somiaj | zak_: if the device uses usb mass storage it will apear as a disk like sd? -- you can figure out which device it got assigned in dmesg | tail usually |
| 00:13.09 | amphi | /dev/urandom might be a bit quicker |
| 00:13.10 | babilen | Nichi: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:13.17 | somiaj | zak_: from there you can partition it, put a file system on it just like any other disk |
| 00:14.01 | babilen | amphi: sure -- but so insecure for ALL_CAPS "COMPLETELY" |
| 00:14.05 | zak_ | somiaj: actually it is an mp3 player i just need to format it and dump some mp3 in it |
| 00:14.10 | amphi | babilen: hehe |
| 00:14.36 | somiaj | zak_: format is not what you want to do, if it already has a file system on it, just use the current file system -- and rm the files |
| 00:14.38 | amphi | zak_: what do you mean? you want to make a filesystem on it> |
| 00:14.52 | somiaj | zak_: though not all mp3 players play nicely with linux since they don't use usb mass storage protocols |
| 00:14.57 | amphi | it probably won't like a different fs much |
| 00:14.59 | babilen | zak_: Honestly: I would just use if=/dev/zero or /dev/urandom -- but /dev/random is the safest |
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| 00:15.50 | somiaj | yea if its a nice mp3 player you just need to mount the hard drive somewhere, and remove all the files with rm, then put the files on it you want |
| 00:16.03 | somiaj | if its not a nice mp3 player you may have to find some utility to do it for you |
| 00:16.08 | zak_ | well guys it seems that its file system is corupted , that's why i want to format it |
| 00:16.09 | babilen | zak_: That will completely wipe the USB disk contents .. I assumed that you mean that. "Formatting" is also used in the sense of "creating a new filesystem" which is easily done with the mkfs.* tools |
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| 00:16.18 | zak_ | babilen: yep |
| 00:17.14 | ehnde | w00t! got a xen kernel installed and it was easy |
| 00:17.16 | zak_ | actually waht i need to do is , formatting it + installing a new fat system |
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| 00:17.29 | somiaj | zak_: you may need the package dosfstools so you ahve to the tools to create a new fat32 file system |
| 00:17.55 | zak_ | can't i do that using fdisk ? |
| 00:18.03 | somiaj | zak_: just be careful that there isn't anything the mp3 player needs to function in the filesystem your remaking wihtout backnig it up |
| 00:18.25 | somiaj | zak_: fdisk is jsut for partitions, you shouldn't need to re partition the drive, just put a new file system on teh partition that is already setup |
| 00:18.43 | somiaj | zak_: so you'll need dosfstools to make an vfat file system |
| 00:18.43 | zak_ | then i think i shold use mk2fs? |
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| 00:19.09 | somiaj | mk2fs.* is designed for ext2 fs files systems, I doubt you want one of those on your mp3player |
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| 00:20.48 | zak_ | somiaj: ok then what is the command to DELETE all the content of it + keeping the filesystem? |
| 00:21.02 | Nichi | No one seems to be there |
| 00:21.07 | Nichi | Active at least |
| 00:21.17 | Nichi | No one seems to be active* |
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| 00:22.45 | Knirch_ | any idea what I should look at to understand why my debian sid suddenly started eating my Mod1/Mod4 keys when nm-applet is running? |
| 00:22.48 | babilen | zak_: The player might dislike it when you wipe the disk and most of them prefer vfat file systems ... something like "mkfs.vfat /dev/??NN" might do the trick (replace ?? and NN with the correct values e.g. sdb1) -- mkfs.vfat is in the dosfstools package |
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| 00:24.00 | babilen | zak_: You could also mount it somewhere and rm everything on it .. |
| 00:25.40 | zak_ | babilen: typed this mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc, this is what i get after umouting it |
| 00:25.42 | zak_ | mkfs.vfat: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdc' (use -I to override) |
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| 00:25.58 | zak_ | babilen: is that something wrong ? |
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| 00:26.13 | babilen | zak_: Yes, specify a partition like /dev/sdc1 (note the 1) |
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| 00:26.40 | babilen | zak_: use fdisk -l to show available partitions |
| 00:26.52 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | there beginnings of a real reasonably codec spiidiy lists parser @ //xmb.root.pe/kot.aptlictcsz |
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| 00:27.28 | zak_ | babilen: well i think yesterday i made the mistake using fdisk , so i splitted it in , i dont know many partition, / how to delete them all so that i can use that command ? |
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| 00:28.01 | zak_ | babilen: ''Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table'' this is what i get |
| 00:28.30 | babilen | zak_: "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" will *show* you the partitions |
| 00:29.01 | babilen | zak_: What have you done with your MP3 player? |
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| 00:29.47 | zak_ | babilen: i:( used fdisk yesterday , f**ckedit up , now i need to format it and install a new vfat file system :( |
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| 00:30.16 | babilen | zak_: Well, create a partition with fdisk, cfdisk (nicer interface) and a new filesystem |
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| 00:30.28 | delarge | hi |
| 00:31.03 | babilen | zak_: And it is no problem to fuck something up. ;) |
| 00:31.16 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | fixed syntax err there |
| 00:31.28 | delarge | which is the best way for restore the grub after install M$ Win? |
| 00:31.48 | babilen | !tell delarge -about fixmbr |
| 00:31.49 | zak_ | babilen: :) |
| 00:31.57 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | zak_: use cfdisk |
| 00:32.02 | zak_ | lemme try cfdisk :) |
| 00:32.10 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | =) |
| 00:33.07 | zak_ | i have 2 internal HDD , it shows the 1st one , how display the 2nd hdd ? |
| 00:33.31 | k_wolf | I'm writting a script to check the "debian version". Theres any document or info at web which I can use to compare the "/etc/debian_version" with a external value? |
| 00:33.39 | babilen | zak_: Please *don't* repartition your harddrives! |
| 00:34.35 | babilen | zak_: If /dev/sdc is your MP3 player use "cfdisk /dev/sdc" -- You might want to unplug it and replug it and check "dmesg|tail" to make sure you got the right device |
| 00:34.44 | zak_ | babilen: i can only see the 1 st internal hard disk , how to see the other ones in sfdisk ? |
| 00:34.52 | zak_ | ok:) |
| 00:34.53 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | zak cfdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 00:38.38 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | try also ' # parted'''''' |
| 00:38.49 | lotus-blade | this is wierd. I boot off of the cd and then it tells me after selecting language that it can not mount the disk refering to the cd |
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| 00:39.09 | lotus-blade | 2 different disks now |
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| 00:39.52 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | zak_: ' # parted' is what you want |
| 00:40.08 | lotus-blade | is there something that I am missing while using an ide cd drive and installing to SCSI hd? |
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| 00:40.45 | zak_ | may i paste 3 lines ? |
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| 00:41.16 | zak_ | meeh:/home/zak # mkfs /dev/sdc |
| 00:41.17 | babilen | yes |
| 00:41.18 | zak_ | mke2fs 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010) |
| 00:41.19 | zak_ | /dev/sdc is entire device, not just one partition! |
| 00:41.21 | zak_ | Proceed anyway? (y,n) |
| 00:41.25 | zak_ | SHALL I TYPE YESOR NO ? |
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| 00:41.31 | zak_ | oops sorry for the caps |
| 00:41.31 | babilen | no |
| 00:41.37 | zak_ | :o |
| 00:41.54 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | =) |
| 00:42.08 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | if u wanna format it yes, if u want to recover no press control-c |
| 00:42.16 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | to recover use ' # parted' |
| 00:42.21 | babilen | zak_: as discussed earlier: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1 (note the 1) -- that assumes that you have created one partition on device /dev/sdc |
| 00:42.29 | zak_ | i don't need to recover any thing :) |
| 00:42.36 | karsten-nr | anyone got a concise description of differences between wine and wine-unstable packages? |
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| 00:43.29 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | then say yes |
| 00:43.31 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | and use mkfs.ntfs |
| 00:43.33 | babilen | karsten-nr: wine depends on wine-unstable which in turn depends on several wine related packapges. |
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| 00:43.56 | karsten-nr | babilen: Not here (lenny/testing) it doesn't. |
| 00:44.17 | babilen | {xmb}{bottz}7man: MP3 players use ntfs these days? |
| 00:44.19 | zak_ | by the way , howto save in cfdisk , ?using 'quit '' seems not to save changes ? |
| 00:44.47 | babilen | And it is still not a good idea to create a filesystem on the device (as opposed to a partition) hence the warning |
| 00:44.56 | Knirch_ | hmm, if I want to downgrade all my packages back to testing, what would be a good way to do that? or atleast get a list of packages that are newer than what I have in my sources? |
| 00:45.10 | babilen | ,depends wine --release squeeze |
| 00:45.12 | judd | Package wine -- depends: wine-bin (= 1.0.1-3+b1), wine-utils (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-alsa (= 1.0.1-3+b1) | libwine-oss (= 1.0.1-3+b1) | libwine-esd (= 1.0.1-3+b1) | libwine-jack (= 1.0.1-3+b1) | libwine-nas (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-gl (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-print (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-sane (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-cms (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-gphoto2 (= 1.0.1-3+b1), libwine-ldap (= 1.0.1-3+b1). |
| 00:45.13 | karsten-nr | babilen: wine-unstable depends on libwine-unstable, 1.1.32-1+b. Regular wine package appears to be at 1.0.1. I'm guessing wine-unstable is the dev branch, but package descriptions don't make this at all clear. |
| 00:45.19 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | try |
| 00:45.23 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | vfat is not a good idea |
| 00:45.43 | karsten-nr | babilen: And yeah, squeeze, not lenny. |
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| 00:45.51 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 00:45.54 | Pavlz | one query |
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| 00:47.06 | Pavlz | i would like to know if there is one command or something similar that can advise in a possible situation of intrusion on GNU/linux |
| 00:47.18 | Pavlz | i know that exists on VMS |
| 00:47.26 | Pavlz | and on GNU/linux is there ? |
| 00:47.36 | terminator | Faheem what you recommend that do please? |
| 00:47.38 | karsten-nr | Pavlz: Succinctly: no, there isn't. |
| 00:47.48 | zak_ | so gyus ?fator linux or even ntfs?:) |
| 00:47.50 | vbluzman1 | hey, im trying to start a raid6 array of 4 drives with 1 drive missing, but it is unable to start it, when i created it i didnt specify any spare devices, is there any way to add them now/ |
| 00:48.07 | babilen | karsten-nr: yes, that interpretation seems to be correct. And wine-unstable is only available in sid |
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| 00:48.13 | Pavlz | thank you |
| 00:48.26 | zak_ | and how to specify the file system in this command ?''mkfs /dev/sdc1'' |
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| 00:48.32 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | try this order: |
| 00:48.33 | karsten-nr | Pavlz: 'w' or 'who' will show you logged-in users (barring compromise of user reporting). /var/log/auth.log will have general authentication events. There are other tools to report system integrity. There's No One True Security Solution[tm]. What VMS command are you referring to? |
| 00:48.39 | karsten-nr | babilen: tx |
| 00:48.42 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | ext[432] ntfs vfat |
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| 00:49.08 | karsten-nr | Pavlz: However, 'shutdown -h' will generally kill any unauthorized processes dead ;-)' |
| 00:49.16 | karsten-nr | (It will also power-off your system). |
| 00:49.23 | zak_ | ''mkfs vfat /dev/sdc1''is that correct ? |
| 00:49.25 | terminator | you could just replace that by the bash equiv of do nothing, whatever that is http://pastebin.com/qfQFZH1w |
| 00:49.34 | terminator | ? |
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| 00:50.08 | babilen | zak_: you use mkfs.TYPE (e.g. mkfs.vfat) -- and I'm not sure what filesystem your MP3 player expects. Try mkfs.ntfs from ntfsprogs and if that doesn't work try mkfs.vfat |
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| 00:50.34 | zak_ | babilen: ok dude :) thnxs |
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| 00:52.44 | babilen | zak_: as suggested by {xmb}{bottz}7man it might be worth a try to check if ext4 ⦠ext2 are working (i wouldn't think so but you never know these days) :) |
| 00:53.02 | Ignazio | ciao |
| 00:53.26 | babilen | ciao |
| 00:53.46 | Ignazio | i'm from sardinia |
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| 00:56.05 | {xmb}{bottz}7man | =:-) |
| 00:56.42 | terminator | What does Bd mean by the file name in aptitude search |
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| 00:59.08 | zak_ | nighty :) |
| 00:59.36 | babilen | terminator: It might help if you answer my question |
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| 01:13.48 | terminator | What option is in aptitude to remove the file without getting the prompts? |
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| 01:14.54 | vbluzman1 | can anyone suggest how i can for mdadm to automaticaly run degraded array |
| 01:15.42 | babilen | terminator: Which prompts? |
| 01:15.48 | ghostkernel | guys i need a little help here,i recently installed Debian Lenny, i noticed the packages that come with synaptic are out of date but are stable though,i was looking forward in updating to the latest packages,in other words ,i want to update to the latest version of the programs,how can i do this? |
| 01:15.53 | terminator | I think its the -P |
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| 01:16.30 | karsten-nr | ghostkernel: What version of Debian are you running (lsb_release -a)? |
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| 01:17.00 | ghostkernel | im not sure how can i find out? i just downloaded lenny stable thats all i know |
| 01:17.05 | karsten-nr | ghostkernel: Generally: 'stable' Debian releases are just that. If you want cutting edge, either install from backports or live on the bleeding edge with "testing" or "unstable". |
| 01:17.08 | karsten-nr | !tell ghostkernel about stable |
| 01:17.14 | karsten-nr | !tell ghostkernel about backports |
| 01:17.18 | karsten-nr | !tell ghostkernel about testing |
| 01:17.34 | Bushmills | ghostkernel: lenny wouldn't be "stable" if there were more recent packages than those coming with lenny |
| 01:17.47 | ghostkernel | i see your point. |
| 01:17.55 | karlpinc | !tell ghostkernel about volatile |
| 01:18.04 | Bushmills | more recent packages exist, but those aren't for lenny |
| 01:18.28 | ghostkernel | is it possible for me to modify the respiratories server address and replcae them with the ones in ubuntu so i can get the latest versions? |
| 01:18.33 | terminator | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Y auto. |
| 01:18.40 | karlpinc | ghostkernel: No. |
| 01:19.01 | ghostkernel | ok.so if i download debian unstable this will solve my problem? |
| 01:19.05 | karlpinc | ghostkernel: Not without breaking things. If you want that then you either get stuff from backports/volatile or backports yourself. |
| 01:19.22 | karlpinc | ghostkernel: Just what is your problem? (I just arrived.) |
| 01:19.32 | ghostkernel | i dont mean to be a pain in the butt ,but how do i get the backports? or volatile? |
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| 01:20.02 | ghostkernel | my problem is that i want the latest version of software out there lol |
| 01:20.03 | karlpinc | ghostkernel: The factoid said. backports.debian.org and volatile.debian.org. |
| 01:20.04 | delarge | babilen: i can't mount the partition |
| 01:20.09 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 01:20.09 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 01:20.11 | delarge | 'no such device' |
| 01:20.19 | delarge | and i look into /dev |
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| 01:20.28 | delarge | i try with all of them |
| 01:20.31 | ghostkernel | thank you for your help,before i go,do you recommend be to switch back to ubuntu? |
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| 01:20.48 | terminator | aptitude -P remove dovecot-common? |
| 01:21.03 | karlpinc | ghostkernel: Dunno. I find what I need in backports. |
| 01:21.39 | ghostkernel | yes im on it now,thank you so much,i can stay with deb and enjoy bleeding edge software,you have been very helpful goodbye |
| 01:21.49 | babilen | ghostkernel: If you want a rolling release just install debian testing -- it is quite stable (in the sense of not broken/buggy) and might be what you are after. But you are free to install whatever you want. |
| 01:21.55 | karlpinc | !tell ghostkernel about ssb |
| 01:22.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell ghostkernel -about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:22.50 | babilen | ghostkernel: you know you options now :) |
| 01:22.58 | ghostkernel | yes i do thank you :) |
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| 01:27.53 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:43.46 | terminator | I install the debian apache2-common file and its not creating the apache2.conf for the env files |
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| 01:53.46 | vbluzman1 | can anyone suggest how i can for mdadm to automaticaly run degraded array |
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| 01:57.56 | karsten-nr | rsync: how can I preserve full path names? Eg: rsync /var/cache backup ... where I then get "backup/var/cache/<files>"? |
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| 02:00.00 | karsten-nr | ... or if it's shorter: a way to say "back up all this but not that" (pruning /var). |
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| 02:02.32 | plt2 | Current status: 1 broken |
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| 02:06.04 | plt2 | If I remove all the .deb files would that force to re-download them? |
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| 02:06.45 | somiaj | plt2: from /var/apt/cache/archives right? then yes |
| 02:07.09 | somiaj | plt2: you can do that with apt-get clean too |
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| 02:21.44 | ghostkernel | little help here guys.. I just downloaded pidgin 2.7.5wich is the lates version,i already compiled it sucessfully,the problem is is that when i run pidgin and try to add an account it does not give me the option of selecting a instant messaging protocol,in other words i cant choose |
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| 02:21.55 | ghostkernel | wich type of messenger to sign in |
| 02:24.17 | ghostkernel | nvm i dindt see pidgin had there irc channel for support goodbye |
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| 02:24.39 | Bushmills | "compiled it" ... did you install libpurple? |
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| 02:37.18 | atan2 | Can I install PHP only on Debian? Like, I want to be able to php myscript.php but I have no need for apache & whatnot |
| 02:37.30 | atan2 | Installing php-common did me no good =\ and php5 package cannot be found |
| 02:37.30 | Dewi | atan2: sure |
| 02:37.45 | Dewi | atan2: did you 'aptitude update' ? |
| 02:38.08 | atan2 | No. Would php5-cli be what I want? |
| 02:38.37 | Dewi | yeah |
| 02:38.56 | atan2 | Perfect. We're cooking with gas now baby! |
| 02:38.59 | atan2 | ty |
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| 02:42.28 | nsadmin | so I got git 1.7.something and compiled it into /usr/local on a lenny... everything works, it's great... is there a better way? |
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| 02:46.35 | Coweater | nsadmin: 1.7.1 is backported for lenny |
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| 02:48.55 | nsadmin | oh ok, I wasn't aware of that |
| 02:49.17 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 03:28.49 | karsten-nr | So: perldoc == libperldoc-search-perl ?? |
| 03:29.05 | karsten-nr | WTF. |
| 03:29.09 | jhutchins_lt | What's the recommended method of disabling pulseaudio? Just purge it? |
| 03:29.12 | karsten-nr | VMWare have NFC how to write shell scripts. |
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| 03:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | Purging pulseaudio fixed the mic. (I had already installed the full alsa setup) |
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| 03:55.44 | maximi89 | hi guys, it's possible to upgrade Debian 5.0 with a DVD of Debian 6.0? |
| 03:56.22 | atan2 | Hmm |
| 03:56.23 | atan2 | checking for XML... configure: error: 'Unable to find libxml2. Please make sure library and header files are installed.' |
| 03:56.30 | atan2 | But apt-get install libxml2 installs it |
| 03:56.37 | maximi89 | i have a desktop machine withdebian 5.0 but i wan't to upgrade to debian 6.0 to get wifi working |
| 03:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: No, 6 is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. |
| 03:56.51 | maximi89 | more newer kernel version to install compat-wireless |
| 03:57.15 | dondelelcaro | maximi89: if you need a newer kernel version, use a backport of the kernel. |
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| 03:57.54 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: You need to know how to do things like that before you start working with testing anyway, because you're going to have to do some saves. |
| 03:57.57 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: dondelelcaro so, last version it's 2.6.30? or left me updates? |
| 03:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 03:58.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, trunk's back. Can't make up their minds on that. |
| 03:58.42 | maximi89 | sounds good judd |
| 03:59.04 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Is your card supported in .32? |
| 03:59.43 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: it's a USB TP-Link WN722, i'm using compat-wireless |
| 04:00.00 | maximi89 | but with kernel 2.6.30 i get lot of unkown symbols |
| 04:00.18 | maximi89 | with Fedora 14, with kernel 2.6.35.6 it works very well |
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| 04:00.45 | maximi89 | i guess it will work with trunk |
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| 04:01.34 | maximi89 | enabling unstable repositories i will be able to download trunk kernel version? |
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| 04:02.01 | atan2 | pfft. This 'Unable to find libxml2. Please make sure library and header files are installed.' makes me cry. |
| 04:02.24 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: I don't think it's that simple, besides which experimental is NOT stable. Why not try the .32 from backports? |
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| 04:02.49 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Better yet, look up your chipset and see which kernel version has native support. |
| 04:02.53 | dondelelcaro | atan2: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:03.07 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, trying to ./configure something |
| 04:03.10 | atan2 | and it says 'Unable to find libxml2. Please make sure library and header files are installed.' |
| 04:03.13 | dondelelcaro | atan2: what? |
| 04:03.13 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: i guess no one can, because it's in development |
| 04:03.20 | maximi89 | ath9k_htc |
| 04:03.27 | atan2 | donatilo, cloudfuse |
| 04:03.35 | atan2 | libxml2: /usr/lib/libxml2.a /usr/lib/libxml2.la /usr/lib/libxml2.so /usr/lib64/libxml2.a /usr/lib64/libxml2.la /usr/lib64/libxml2.so /usr/include/libxml2 |
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| 04:03.44 | atan2 | I don't see why it hates life =( |
| 04:03.46 | dondelelcaro | atan2: so install libxml2-dev |
| 04:03.55 | atan2 | I have that also, via apt-get |
| 04:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | !ath9k |
| 04:04.10 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 04:04.14 | atan2 | "libxml2-dev is already the newest version. |
| 04:04.14 | atan2 | " |
| 04:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | !ar9170 |
| 04:04.27 | dpkg | ar9170usb is a driver for Atheros AR9170 2-stream 802.11 draft-n USB wireless LAN chipsets, based on <otus>. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.30. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <ar9170 firmware>. Does not support 802.11n, see <carl9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb |
| 04:04.28 | dondelelcaro | atan2: then make sure you've given the right library path to configure, and check to see what's in configure.log |
| 04:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Looks like there is native support in the .32 kernel. |
| 04:05.13 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: this one it's ath9k_htc with ar9271 firmware |
| 04:05.27 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Remember, a Fedora .30 kernel is not a Debian .30 kernel. |
| 04:05.36 | maximi89 | ath9k_htc =! ath9k |
| 04:05.53 | JasonWoof | how does packages.debian.org lag behind the package list that aptitude pulls from? |
| 04:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | What about ar9170usb? |
| 04:06.00 | atan2 | cat config.log | grep xml |
| 04:06.00 | atan2 | just show the unable error =\ |
| 04:06.14 | JasonWoof | I just hit "u" in aptitude, and it shows new versions that aren't shown on packages.debian.org yet |
| 04:06.18 | dondelelcaro | atan2: it'll be the last error, and you should see the compiler output there as well. |
| 04:06.30 | JasonWoof | and "C" in aptitude is giving 404s for changelogs |
| 04:06.32 | dondelelcaro | JasonWoof: because packages.debian.org's package list is rebuilt after the mirror pulse |
| 04:06.51 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, shows configure: exit 1 under confdefs.h |
| 04:06.53 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: the firmware are different |
| 04:07.03 | maximi89 | big differences are between them |
| 04:07.35 | dondelelcaro | atan2: and it should also show the compile command used, which you can then figure out why it failed. |
| 04:07.49 | dondelelcaro | atan2: most likely it's not calling pkg-config properly |
| 04:07.58 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, you mean the Configured with: ../src/configure -v -- thing? |
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| 04:08.19 | dondelelcaro | atan2: no, I mean the entire call that configure is making to figure out if you have libxml2 |
| 04:08.42 | maximi89 | thanks guys! i will try with last 5.0 kernel packages |
| 04:08.44 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Ok, but in any case, I do not recommend using sid/unstable or experimental if you are not experienced at fixing package problems and familiar with package building, and have a backup snapshot before you start. |
| 04:09.31 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, http://pastie.org/1291796 is the output =\ I don't even see libxml on it |
| 04:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: In general, it's best to start out by making the smallest incremental change that might address your problem. You can always go back and make the next incremental change if the first doesn't work, it's VERY difficult to go back if you get something unstable that munches your system. |
| 04:09.40 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: i used before Debian, but last version i tried was the one i have in the computer with AR9271 ahaha, |
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| 04:10.13 | dondelelcaro | atan2: you don't have pkg-config installed, which you need. |
| 04:10.21 | muhoo | what's the current quick/easy way to make a backport using cdbs? uupdate fails |
| 04:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: If you go for the biggest, baddest, latest, most unstable thing just because that's the biggest hammer you can find, it often breaks things. |
| 04:10.44 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: i will try what you recommend me first |
| 04:10.45 | atan2 | ty |
| 04:10.54 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 04:11.09 | muhoo | i should say, uupdate generates crap, a build_dir with the old versinon num |
| 04:11.11 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:11.12 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Good luck The instructions for backports are on the web page, /msg dpkg bdo for more info |
| 04:11.21 | maximi89 | thanks a lot, probably tomorrow i be back with more time, 1AM here |
| 04:11.23 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: the uupdate won't completely fail. You have to resolve any problems that it creates |
| 04:11.38 | atan2 | Now it complains about libcurl. Is this just 'curl' ? |
| 04:12.00 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Where the heck are you, 1 AM should be the middle of the atlantic now. |
| 04:12.09 | dondelelcaro | atan2: no, it's libcurl |
| 04:12.28 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, why isn't libcurl a package I can get with apt-get? =\ |
| 04:12.34 | atan2 | Does it have -core or something on the end of it? |
| 04:12.44 | dondelelcaro | atan2: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 04:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | maximi89: Iceland? |
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| 04:13.36 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=46931 |
| 04:13.44 | maximi89 | probably will work with .35 |
| 04:13.48 | atan2 | dondelelcaro, fair enough but how do I make sense of them all? There is 3, 4, gnutls, openseel-dev.... ocaml. There is nothing vanilla "libcurl" |
| 04:14.11 | maximi89 | jhutchins_lt: Chile, pacific ocean :D |
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| 04:14.26 | maximi89 | thanks |
| 04:14.28 | maximi89 | ;) |
| 04:14.31 | atan2 | Hmm. aptitude install did it though |
| 04:14.40 | maximi89 | Zzzz |
| 04:14.42 | atan2 | What's the difference between aptitude install & apt-get install? |
| 04:15.05 | dondelelcaro | atan2: since this is probably something which is GPLed, you'll want libcurl4-gnutls-dev, but it doesn't really matter. |
| 04:15.20 | dondelelcaro | atan2: end result, not much, but aptitude is a different libapt frontend. |
| 04:16.50 | atan2 | =) thanks |
| 04:17.11 | JasonWoof | this new package has "Section: python". Should I file a bug that it should have "Section: vcs"? http://packages.debian.org/sid/mercurial-nested |
| 04:18.28 | JasonWoof | (it's a mercurial plugin) |
| 04:18.44 | atan2 | Unlike users, is root's home directory in /? Like not /home/root but instead just /root ? |
| 04:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, southern hemisphere daylight savings time. |
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| 04:19.36 | dondelelcaro | atan2: because root needs a home directory which exists when /home isn't mounted |
| 04:19.50 | atan2 | ty |
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| 04:58.37 | wathek | hi all |
| 04:58.52 | wathek | is it possible to extract the audio track from an ogv file ? |
| 04:59.31 | dondelelcaro | wathek: yes. |
| 04:59.41 | dondelelcaro | wathek: mplayer -dumpfile foofile -dumpaudio foo.ogv; |
| 04:59.47 | wathek | ok thank you |
| 04:59.52 | dondelelcaro | man mplayer; for details |
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| 05:25.31 | twofish | and then ran X -configure and copied the conf file |
| 05:25.45 | twofish | and it all looks good, just like on my (working) lappy |
| 05:26.09 | twofish | but went I try to test it I get (EE) NV: Kernel modesetting drier in use, refusing to load |
| 05:26.16 | twofish | driver* |
| 05:26.51 | twofish | google says that reinstalling X should fix this in-general but it hasn't helped me at all |
| 05:27.14 | mmxxmx | google lies! |
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| 05:33.01 | Lantizia | hey if I've downloaded orig.tar.gz/debian.tar.gz/.dsc files for a source package in to a directory... does anyone know the command to issue to build the binaries? |
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| 05:36.43 | twofish | hmmm, apparently I have to disable "KMS" |
| 05:36.44 | twofish | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting |
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| 05:37.02 | twofish | because I if I have crypto disks it like causes a conflict or something |
| 05:37.10 | twofish | no more pretty bootup for me (like I care) |
| 05:40.17 | sechrist | Is it possible to detect the executing user's ID inside a setuid binary? |
| 05:40.21 | sechrist | without like checking the process list |
| 05:42.01 | sechrist | ah, just getuid works before setuid I see |
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| 05:43.17 | K0JIbKA | hi all |
| 05:43.22 | BiG_NoBoDy | hello |
| 05:43.47 | K0JIbKA | it looks like everybody are talking to themseves:-D |
| 05:44.07 | K0JIbKA | plenty questions - no answers |
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| 07:26.16 | JasonWoof | (did nothing to notify me I mean) |
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| 09:02.05 | atan2 | "The mysql driver is not currently installed" can I install the "driver" without installing the whole server? |
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| 09:03.16 | Vroomfondle | driver for what? |
| 09:03.38 | Vroomfondle | there's a different MySQL driver for each language/environment |
| 09:04.05 | atan2 | Found the one I needed |
| 09:04.08 | atan2 | Was under php5-mysql =D |
| 09:04.10 | atan2 | Rock on |
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| 09:10.46 | war9407 | I started getting this two days ago, anyone? -- [GNUPG:] BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org> - gpgv: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
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| 09:12.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | war9407: how long has it been since you updated? |
| 09:14.31 | war9407 | it was working up to 2-3 days ago, I run apt-key update etc regularly |
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| 09:26.59 | war9407 | I used a different mirror and it worked |
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| 09:53.57 | psycodad | moin, does anybody know if the recent proftpd vuln also affects debian ? I have checked http://www.debian.org/security/ and didn't see it mentioned |
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| 10:22.57 | jelly | psycodad: do you have a CVE number? |
| 10:23.05 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 10:23.05 | dpkg | from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 10:23.52 | jelly | psycodad: you can check the tracker for CVE numbers and some other references |
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| 10:26.07 | HTT-Bird | o/ jelly |
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| 10:26.13 | HTT-Bird | http://code.google.com/p/winezeug/issues/detail?id=143 <-- how in hades is the oriya font still showing up in xlsfonts output even after I purged the #$@!$@@!@!$!@#@! thing and relogged? (that, and using either -o or -l to xlsfonts causes the oriya font to stop showing up) |
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| 10:29.10 | Nepherius | hey , how do I unpack .rar ? |
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| 10:29.52 | cast | unrar e |
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| 10:33.26 | dokma | what could cause this to not prevent floppy module from being loaded? |
| 10:33.33 | dokma | cat /etc/modprobe.d/floppy.conf |
| 10:33.33 | dokma | blacklist floppy |
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| 10:37.13 | TwoTwenty | how do I check a usb stick for bad sectors? |
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| 10:39.06 | nsadmin | shake it alot? |
| 10:39.14 | nsadmin | see if it rattles? |
| 10:39.44 | nsadmin | you could probably do a read-only badblocks scan |
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| 10:40.24 | nsadmin | dokma: the exact name or path differs? |
| 10:40.46 | dokma | module is named floppy per lsmod |
| 10:40.58 | dokma | but still gets loaded on boot |
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| 10:41.16 | nsadmin | find out when and then you might find out why |
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| 10:41.34 | dokma | nsadmin: good advice |
| 10:41.44 | dokma | the prob is this is a remote machine |
| 10:41.46 | dokma | a dedicated server |
| 10:41.53 | dokma | so i need to find this info in some log |
| 10:42.00 | dokma | is this logged anyplace? |
| 10:42.18 | nsadmin | why is it important that floppy not be loaded? |
| 10:42.38 | dokma | I'm cleaning up all the modules that are not needed |
| 10:42.50 | dokma | there's a bunch of them |
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| 10:42.58 | dokma | such as sound, cd |
| 10:43.02 | nsadmin | so it doesn't actually cause problems? |
| 10:43.17 | dokma | no |
| 10:43.27 | nsadmin | I can't spend time on that, it's too late |
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| 10:43.45 | dokma | no prob |
| 10:43.51 | dokma | enjoy your sleep |
| 10:43.55 | MalMen | ./oscam-svn3355-x86_64-pc-linux: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./oscam-svn3355-x86_64-pc-linux) |
| 10:43.58 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
| 10:44.03 | MalMen | any one know what is missing on my system |
| 10:44.11 | MalMen | i alrealy tryed to install glibc and not sucess |
| 10:44.28 | nsadmin | you should already have glibc installed |
| 10:44.35 | nsadmin | if anything works, it's installed |
| 10:44.37 | MalMen | so, what is missing ? |
| 10:44.44 | jelly | MalMen: that binary isn't meant to work on Debian 5 |
| 10:44.55 | MalMen | :s |
| 10:45.00 | MalMen | any soluction ? |
| 10:45.07 | nsadmin | to what? |
| 10:45.15 | nsadmin | you don't say the problem |
| 10:45.25 | MalMen | i am trying to start oscam... |
| 10:45.30 | MalMen | its an aplication |
| 10:45.31 | jelly | MalMen: ask the vendor to provide a version built against glibc 2.7 or earlier |
| 10:45.42 | MalMen | i have access to source code |
| 10:45.43 | nsadmin | why did this ever come up in the first place? |
| 10:45.47 | MalMen | i can download svn and compile |
| 10:45.50 | jelly | MalMen: or use it in a squeeze chroot, or on a squeeze installation |
| 10:45.55 | MalMen | but i dont know where i can disable it |
| 10:45.57 | nsadmin | why are you playing with libc versions? |
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| 10:46.27 | jelly | nsadmin: he's not playing with libc versions. He's trying to run an app built against a newer libc. |
| 10:46.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:46.41 | jelly | (ie. not built on Debian 5) |
| 10:46.59 | nsadmin | so backporting is the key |
| 10:47.06 | jelly | MalMen: if you have source, rebuild the app on your machine. |
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| 10:48.40 | MalMen | hmmm, i will try |
| 10:48.46 | MalMen | but i think i made it once, and not work |
| 10:48.56 | MalMen | i ill do that, i say something as soon as possible |
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| 10:51.04 | thewanderer1 | hi, is there a tool to facilitate the management of local copies of packages, like recompiled packages? I basically want to compile given packages from source automatically, with custom patches, instead of installing binaries directly |
| 10:51.32 | thewanderer1 | what I want is actually a custom -march setting in gcc so that programs run faster |
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| 10:52.39 | vtts | thewanderer1, you can create your custom debs and manage theese packages as anything else |
| 10:53.12 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it becomes a tedious process - and if I let apt update anything that I've previously compiled, I lose the gains instantly |
| 10:54.37 | vtts | you can mark a package as "hold", that way it won't be automaticly updated |
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| 10:54.59 | thewanderer1 | well... does apt-get understand that, or only aptitude? |
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| 10:55.14 | elliott | Is there a simple way to *disable* shadow passwords after installation? |
| 10:55.14 | vtts | both understand that |
| 10:55.18 | gypsymauro | hi, I saw this screenshot http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/284/2/d/screenshot__intergalactic_by_stingbl-d30iypk.png , how can achieve that? I mean, how can I put that controls on desktop wallpaper? |
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| 10:55.42 | k1ckn1ck | hi, |
| 10:55.45 | gypsymauro | clock, performances and so on? |
| 10:55.48 | MalMen | jelly it works.. finaly :D |
| 10:55.49 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: it's so ugly |
| 10:55.50 | MalMen | thankyou |
| 10:55.57 | thewanderer1 | gypsymauro: look for "screenlets" or "gkrellm" |
| 10:56.42 | thewanderer1 | in KDE there used to be SuperKaramba for that, now there's this Plasma thing... |
| 10:56.47 | gypsymauro | tarzeau: well it's seems to be the default theme http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun :) |
| 10:56.55 | k1ckn1ck | I installed mailman onto my debian lenny install. I eventually found out the set up was missing an entire directory. When i came to remove mailman and retry the install it fails due to files missing. Is there any certain way to remove mailman in full, to then reinstall it |
| 10:57.03 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: yes i saw that. i'm glad i never use debian default themes. |
| 10:57.12 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: and i'm glad i don't use gnome/kde |
| 10:57.32 | gypsymauro | tanx thewanderer1 |
| 10:57.44 | tarzeau | i'd wish debian would spend some money on a professional designer and just stick to something that looks good |
| 10:58.44 | thewanderer1 | I highly doubt Debian needs an appealing default theme - one can just switch it or visit gnome-look.org and choose |
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| 10:59.03 | tarzeau | thewanderer1: yeah www.debian.org needs a better look first |
| 10:59.15 | thewanderer1 | there were already proposals regarding that |
| 10:59.20 | tarzeau | thewanderer1: i know |
| 10:59.33 | tarzeau | thewanderer1: but if you open and look at www.debian.org NOW! it still looks horrible |
| 10:59.55 | thewanderer1 | at least it's not all shiny and candid :P |
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| 11:00.08 | tarzeau | oh something can look good without being shiny and candid |
| 11:00.22 | tarzeau | thewanderer1: it's just gnome/kde that are shiny and candid, and i hate their looks too |
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| 11:01.10 | tarzeau | thewanderer1: but this new debian theme is exactly that, a design very much like gnome does gradients, high contrast, and the cheap plastic ugly shiny objects sticked to it |
| 11:01.43 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: you should fix the error that the removal process is complaining about - if files are missing, it's time to create them |
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| 11:03.17 | Nepherius | I`m trying to unpack .rar but it seems it fails everytime , I tried unrar , unrar-free , ark and xarchiver ..they all fail |
| 11:03.21 | Nepherius | any suggestions ? |
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| 11:03.36 | seeds | try unrar e rar |
| 11:03.44 | cast | get someone to use winrar? |
| 11:03.54 | thewanderer1 | Nepherius: `unrar` must work. if it doesn't, then your archive is corrupt or otherwise obfuscated |
| 11:04.04 | k1ckn1ck | its not error on removal |
| 11:04.11 | k1ckn1ck | its error on installation |
| 11:04.11 | jyper | Nepherius: Are You sure its a valid rar archive(corruption>) |
| 11:04.37 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: so what is it missing? did you purge the package, or just remove? |
| 11:04.42 | Nepherius | yes i tried 2 arachives fails i on both |
| 11:05.01 | Nepherius | Extracting dmd-tsa-cd1.rar Failed |
| 11:05.49 | thewanderer1 | Nepherius: perhaps you need to supply a password? |
| 11:05.52 | petemc | looks like you'll have to download the scorcerers apprentice again |
| 11:05.58 | k1ckn1ck | just removed |
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| 11:06.12 | k1ckn1ck | apt-get remove mailman should i use the purg command |
| 11:06.17 | k1ckn1ck | purge* |
| 11:06.26 | Nepherius | no password on them and i got 2 .rar archives it fails on both |
| 11:06.27 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: not if you want to save the old config... |
| 11:06.48 | k1ckn1ck | dont want the old config |
| 11:07.01 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: then you can purge it: dpkg --purge mailman |
| 11:07.16 | jyper | So sometime ago I asked about debian java policy, someone pointed out #debian-java on irc.oftc.net but its quite as the grave on there, does anyone know if its debain policy to have java packages pick java based on debian-alternatives rather then an adhoc way? |
| 11:07.18 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the install scripts make bad assumptions |
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| 11:08.29 | thewanderer1 | jyper: alternatives are there for packages to use them. if a package needs a particular JRE, then it should say so in the documentation, package description or so |
| 11:10.07 | k1ckn1ck | is there a command to refresh or reindex the locate command |
| 11:10.24 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: updatedb |
| 11:11.14 | jyper | thewanderer1: I may be reading it wrong but tomcat (package tomcat6) apears to be looking for the existence of certain dirs in order [openjdk, sun java 6 . sun java 5 , ibm java] and picks the first java it finds. Is this a bug? |
| 11:11.15 | Nepherius | well winace worked :) |
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| 11:13.10 | thewanderer1 | jyper: I wouldn't say that - if it specifically depends on a particular JVM, then it could be doing that, provided that it's not a JAR format but a bigger application |
| 11:14.36 | thewanderer1 | JAR are supposed to be run through a wrapper which choses the JVM by alternatives and I think that's where the alternatives system in Debian's java fits in |
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| 11:16.35 | thewanderer1 | in the context of Tomcat, I believe that using the alternatives system should be a feature request if one needs that, not a bug in lacking that |
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| 11:18.03 | thewanderer1 | is there a package with additional widget styles (like Oxygen, Plastik) for KDE4? |
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| 11:23.30 | k1ckn1ck | thewanderer1 thank you so much for your help. Removed all the rubbish and allowed me to reinstall it properly :D |
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| 11:40.45 | zoobab | can anybody tell me if the squeeze installer is using LVM1 or MVM2? |
| 11:40.48 | zoobab | LVM2 |
| 11:41.36 | thewanderer1 | LVM2 |
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| 11:43.20 | Bastihase | slaps thewanderer1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:43.20 | Zyferus | slaps Bastihase around a bit with a large thewanderer1 |
| 11:43.20 | Zyferus | See how you like it, Bastihase |
| 11:43.21 | Bastihase | oida Zyferus ja... kratz mich, beiss mich, gib mir tiernamen... |
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| 11:44.19 | thewanderer1 | er what, have I mistaken channels? :P |
| 11:44.30 | jelly | thewanderer1: nein |
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| 12:06.30 | thewanderer1 | why does my sound in KDE4 always start as muted after I log on? O.o |
| 12:06.43 | thewanderer1 | (Pulseaudio) |
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| 12:07.37 | cusco | it used to happen in my gnome too |
| 12:07.46 | cusco | can't remmeber how to fix it |
| 12:07.55 | thewanderer1 | not a big thing, I only have to click KMix and disable mute... |
| 12:08.18 | jyper | exit |
| 12:08.20 | thewanderer1 | well, another thing - how to change GCC flags when recompiling a Debian package? |
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| 12:12.01 | lavish | hi all. I need an etch mirror |
| 12:12.11 | lavish | anyone? :) |
| 12:12.32 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.35 | petemc | dpkg |
| 12:12.38 | ksk | hello |
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| 12:13.28 | lavish | thanks! |
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| 12:21.48 | Gryfelhase | hi kids... |
| 12:22.09 | Gryfelhase | how can I detect, if I use utf8 or iso9xxx as default charset |
| 12:22.19 | Gryfelhase | from shell |
| 12:22.32 | thewanderer1 | `locale` and if it says UTF-8 you're using UTF-8 :P |
| 12:22.45 | Gryfelhase | thx alot :) |
| 12:26.07 | lng | I can see that 1G is free out of 11G of RAM, but using top or ps I cannot figure out what prcesses have eaten the memory |
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| 12:26.27 | Gryfelhase | install htop |
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| 12:26.55 | Gryfelhase | htop can sort by memory, virtual memory etc |
| 12:27.14 | thewanderer1 | lng: if that doesn't help, see this page: http://linuxatemyram.com |
| 12:28.03 | Bushmills | use top (or htop), look at buffers and cached |
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| 12:30.43 | thewanderer1 | hey, gcc documentation says there is a flag -march=corei7, but my gcc-4.4 throws out errors and doesn't seem to recognize it. where do I get a gcc supporting this flag? |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | did you look to see which march flags it does support ? |
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| 12:31.48 | thewanderer1 | well, I have no idea where to find the list of supported march flags in this current version, to start with |
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| 12:33.58 | thewanderer1 | there's not a single word on it in the GNU doc |
| 12:34.07 | thewanderer1 | just an un-versioned list |
| 12:35.19 | stew | thewanderer1: gcc --target-help |
| 12:36.33 | thewanderer1 | it does list corei7 as a possible choice. |
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| 12:37.04 | thewanderer1 | yet I was getting this: getopt.c:1: error: bad value (corei7) for -march= switch |
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| 12:38.34 | blub_ | Hi does anyone know if such a construction in a debian controll file is possible: python-mechanize (>= 0.2.3maemo0 <= 0.2.4maemo0) |
| 12:38.34 | thewanderer1 | can anyone with gcc-4.4 confirm? |
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| 12:41.24 | ksk | thewanderer1: thanks for that "linuxatemyram" link, kinda useful |
| 12:42.06 | thewanderer1 | I have to go now. I'd be grateful if anyone else could try compiling anything with gcc-4.4 -march=corei7 and confirm what I'm seeing here |
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| 12:43.31 | psycodad | jelly: thx, I've found the answer in the proftpd bug report, etch and lenny packets are not affected by the bug |
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| 12:44.27 | Sevet | is there a debian-recommended way of doing 'ethtool -G $ethN rx $X tx $Y' on boot? |
| 12:44.43 | Sevet | (or the equivalent anyway through any other system) |
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| 12:45.06 | tarzeau | i put these stuff into /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat :) |
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| 12:45.40 | tarzeau | if the network card driver of linux allows such settings as module parameters there's /etc/modules |
| 12:45.52 | tarzeau | some network settings can be done with sysctl.conf (/proc stuff) |
| 12:45.53 | petemc | or a post up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:45.58 | tarzeau | and some with /etc, what petemc says |
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| 12:47.19 | Sevet | ok, thanks |
| 12:47.35 | Sevet | think i'll go with the post up method |
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| 12:54.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're aware of rc.local .. right ? |
| 12:54.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 12:56.34 | Sevet | do i need to do something as ugly as this http://pastebin.com/316CS4wU or is it always safe to try setting a value larger than the maximum (e.g. 65535) to simplify the command? |
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| 13:01.21 | aftertaf | hey all : anyone know why on my LAN i'd have big latency at times for ssh and for nfs between my PC and server ? |
| 13:01.51 | aftertaf | takes long time to authenticate or ask password, and in NFS sometimes it just about kills by yakuake. |
| 13:01.59 | aftertaf | my yakuake... |
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| 13:03.01 | psycodad | aftertaf: e1000 nic ? |
| 13:03.33 | aftertaf | er... ill look :) |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | aftertaf: reverse DNS? |
| 13:04.13 | aftertaf | wireless on my desktop.... RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 13:05.14 | aftertaf | abrotman: DNS, maybe. I have BIND for local resolution and DHCP also..... its also a web server : redirections from firewall/NAT for 22/25/80 to local IP of server |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | aftertaf: it's a reverse DNS issue .. the system you're connecting to is trying to resolve your IP, and it waits til it timesout before it finishes |
| 13:05.59 | aftertaf | ahh. messed up my zone config somewhere then ? |
| 13:06.07 | aftertaf | it is slow to resolve locally. |
| 13:06.10 | magesing | Hi everyone, I have installed eclipse 3.5.2 from the repos. and after installing the andriod ADT plugin following the instructions at: http://developer.android.com/sdk/eclipse-adt.html I successfully installed the plugin. However, when I try to configure the plugin through Window->preferences the plugin does not show up in the dialog as the instructions say it should. Asking on #eclipse, #eclipse-linux, and #andriod-dev just got a bunch of people telling me n |
| 13:06.52 | aftertaf | and NFS is setup in fstab to use hostname, on desktop.... |
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| 13:07.56 | aftertaf | hostname is not fqdn either, for any of them. |
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| 13:08.13 | aftertaf | so, i need to correct my zone's reverse dns file ? |
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| 13:09.00 | aftertaf | i have lines like this ....... :21 IN PTR serendipity.peperement.local. |
| 13:09.12 | aftertaf | that one is for my desktop pc |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | or set those services to not check .. ssh can do that |
| 13:09.34 | aftertaf | ah, in ssh conf file ? ok ill goog |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | i believe it's UseDNS No |
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| 13:11.01 | nvz | anyone know how I could change the gnome remote desktop password from ssh? |
| 13:11.06 | jelly | is it safe to use a single PV and VG on multiple hosts simultaneously, as long as they each use their separate LV? |
| 13:11.07 | aftertaf | hmm I have UsePam at Yes too... don't use it |
| 13:11.32 | nvz | its not a real big dea I can manage now that I'm in I suppose.. but I intended to use RDP and apparenty fudged the password |
| 13:12.26 | aftertaf | wow, that makes it instant :) |
| 13:12.33 | aftertaf | UseDNS no :) |
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| 13:12.58 | abrotman | aftertaf: yes, you use PAM .. pretty sure |
| 13:13.21 | nvz | I aways use pam.. keeps it from sticking to my pan |
| 13:13.54 | aftertaf | abrotman: hehe ok. |
| 13:14.03 | aftertaf | 10 years of Linux and things still to learn :) |
| 13:14.51 | aftertaf | abrotman: and that can't also explain the nfs slowness at times, maybe I just have perception problems :) |
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| 13:16.43 | nvz | doh .. I'm half asleep. I seriously just untarred something then thought about how to copy it when I should have copied first then untarred |
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| 13:20.35 | nvz | the main reason I wanted to use RDP is cause I had stuff in transmission I wanted to check on |
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| 13:21.17 | aftertaf | nvz, install vnc and modify graphically in the 'local' X session ? |
| 13:21.49 | nvz | thats a lot of work.. I have rdp running just cant figure out what I set the password to |
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| 13:22.22 | aftertaf | cant see password being in clear text in a file somewhere, though ... |
| 13:22.57 | nvz | figured there had to besome command-line way of iterfacting the gnome remote desktop settings |
| 13:23.29 | nvz | though I'm getting a ot of lag just using ssh so... |
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| 13:23.55 | nvz | I'm almost outside signal range |
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| 13:25.36 | nvz | oh well wandering off cause the ssh lag is nasty.. |
| 13:25.58 | aftertaf | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795824 |
| 13:26.07 | aftertaf | try that, suggestion at bottom |
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| 13:28.45 | scoobertron | I am trying to control the fan on an acer aspire 1360wlmi laptop. I have underclocked the processor to 800Mhz and it is now running at a pretty cool 40-50deg but the fan runs constantly |
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| 13:29.58 | scoobertron | I have tried setting up fancontrold using pwmconfig - but it complains that there are no pwm capable sensors (which is confirmed by sensors-detect - nothing comes up for the fan) |
| 13:30.28 | scoobertron | is there anything I can do to manually shut it off or adjust the temp when it starts up? |
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| 13:36.28 | guzu | hello all |
| 13:36.42 | guzu | how can i start enlightenment in squueze? |
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| 13:37.11 | scoobertron | do you use a login manager? |
| 13:37.34 | scoobertron | gdm or slim or something similar? |
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| 13:38.13 | miltio | hi |
| 13:38.31 | miltio | squeeze frozen from some months now |
| 13:39.21 | miltio | ready for production env? |
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| 13:39.45 | guzu | scoobertron, yes, let me find out what it is :) |
| 13:40.22 | lemon | Hi.what is the default compression level in 7z ( -mx=? |
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| 13:41.01 | guzu | scoobertron, i believe it's slim, since i select sessions with f1 |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | miltio: external or internal? |
| 13:41.33 | miltio | abrotman: firewall, dmz and internal |
| 13:41.44 | abrotman | external, i wouldn't, internal, your call |
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| 13:42.04 | guzu | scoobertron, ok, it's slim |
| 13:42.22 | miltio | abrotman: roadmap for squeeze? |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 13:42.35 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 13:43.10 | miltio | christmas |
| 13:43.12 | lemon | what is <WIR>? |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | miltio: not a roadmap per se .. it will be released when there are zero RC bugs |
| 13:43.17 | babilen | guzu: Do you use Lenny, Squeeze or Sid? |
| 13:43.18 | abrotman | lemon: When It's Ready |
| 13:43.27 | abrotman | miltio: xmas is possible... but don't bet on it |
| 13:43.34 | babilen | lemon: Ask dpkg -- /msg dpkg WIR |
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| 13:43.38 | abrotman | miltio: they'd have to close 200+ RC bugs in a month |
| 13:43.39 | miltio | sure I know, since I use debian since potato days ;) |
| 13:43.41 | scoobertron | guzu: you should have a slim.conf somewhere, either in /etc or in home. There you should be able to add enlightenment to the list of possible sessions. |
| 13:43.44 | lemon | and what will it be called? |
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| 13:44.04 | abrotman | lemon: squeeze |
| 13:44.34 | miltio | abrotman: I bet mostly are for esotic packages |
| 13:44.38 | lemon | i thought it will gain a new name,like lenny |
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| 13:45.16 | abrotman | !tell miltio about rc bugs |
| 13:45.21 | abrotman | miltio: you can look, i wouldn't bet on it |
| 13:45.29 | abrotman | lemon: lenny is currently 'stable' |
| 13:45.38 | babilen | guzu: AFAIK enlightenment should be available in the "Session" menu in most login managers. If you don't use one, you can setup a xinit script that contains "exec /usr/bin/enlightenment_start" as last line. You can execute additional programs before that. |
| 13:46.19 | guzu | scoobertron, babilen thank you |
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| 13:46.28 | lemon | so squeeze is the offical name of next debian? |
| 13:47.00 | lemon | i keep thinking it always equals to testing |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | No, the codenames for stable and testing change with every release |
| 13:47.38 | SwedeMike | are RC bugs really sure to be fixed before release? There seems to be "release blockers" according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2010/10/msg00276.html |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | SwedeMike: fixed or the packages removed .. |
| 13:47.54 | babilen | guzu: Not sure how you installed e17, but packages are available in sid (see http://wiki.debian.org/PkgE and #pkg-e here on freenode for further information on the packaging) |
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| 13:48.08 | abrotman | SwedeMike: with Lenny, they let a few go through .. but supposedly they resolved them later |
| 13:49.59 | guzu | babilen, e16 here |
| 13:50.09 | guzu | babilen, thank you |
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| 13:51.07 | guzu | hmm, enlightenment session not found |
| 13:51.20 | babilen | guzu: Ah, ok. I am not entirely sure about the "enlightenment_start" command then. But I would strongly recommend to setup a ~/.xsession file in which you start everything you need + e16 |
| 13:51.54 | guzu | i'm not very tempted to do this, since i have no idea how :) |
| 13:52.19 | yareckon | hi guys, anyone know where I can go to get sources for etch packages? I need to do some diffing of some homebuilt packages vs debian stock at the time |
| 13:52.31 | yareckon | and that is OLD! |
| 13:52.36 | yareckon | :) |
| 13:52.47 | xyan | !tell yareckon about archive |
| 13:53.06 | xyan | ughs |
| 13:53.09 | xyan | !tell yareckon about debian archive |
| 13:56.45 | guzu | scoobertron, e16 is the right command. thanks again, bye |
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| 13:57.44 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 14:04.59 | yareckon | thanks xyan |
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| 14:13.07 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:13.07 | dpkg | <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 14:15.56 | Sevet | is there any way to set ulimits in a debian init.d script that starts a daemon using start-stop-daemon? |
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| 14:16.54 | thewanderer1 | Sevet: bash has the ulimit command and all ulimits are inherited by child processes |
| 14:18.32 | Sevet | so setting before start-stop-daemon, it'll get inherited by s-s-d and then the daemon? |
| 14:19.00 | thewanderer1 | it should, provided that start-stop-deamon doesn't reset the limits to some values |
| 14:19.02 | Sevet | cause i'm doing that and it isn't picking up the new setting (checking via /proc/N/limits) |
| 14:19.57 | thewanderer1 | if the daemon is run under a dedicated user, you can set a per-user limit in limits.conf |
| 14:20.09 | Sevet | ah.... tried a different param |
| 14:20.11 | Sevet | it is working |
| 14:20.22 | Sevet | looks like the daemon sets its own stack size limit |
| 14:20.48 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure if the stack size doesn't get reset in Linux' child processes in general |
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| 14:28.32 | yareckon | can I do a apt-get build-dep for a local package? |
| 14:28.55 | yareckon | like apt-get build-dep package-myversion.dsc ? |
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| 14:34.01 | melchior | I've got a problem after having installed paskages ifupdown and net-tools on my embedded system. At the end of kernel launching i've got http://pastebin.com/KXfNPXhR. Any one have an idea about how to resolve this ? |
| 14:34.21 | manhunter | when is debian ready?first debian alpha>beta> then? |
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| 14:34.27 | manhunter | debian squeeze |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | manhunter: what? |
| 14:35.06 | manhunter | now we get debian squeeze beta |
| 14:35.35 | manhunter | after this beta version of debian would we get the final release of debian squeeze ? |
| 14:35.36 | abrotman | no, you have a beta for the installer .. |
| 14:35.43 | abrotman | that is not the beta of squeeze |
| 14:35.58 | manhunter | so what is it? |
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| 14:36.08 | abrotman | it's the beta of the installer .. i just said that |
| 14:36.48 | yareckon | the installer is a separate environment that runs off a live cd and has to be updated to put everything i nthe right place |
| 14:36.56 | manhunter | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 14:37.09 | abrotman | yes .. DI .. Debian Installer .. not the beta of squeeze |
| 14:37.09 | yareckon | It may actually run off a slightly different software stack than the version of debian it installs |
| 14:37.17 | manhunter | abrotman: yes , when would we get final installer? |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | when squeeze is released .. |
| 14:37.37 | manhunter | abrotman: or when would we get final squeeze? |
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| 14:37.45 | manhunter | this is beta running |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | When it's ready, Sooner if you help |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | it is NOT a beta |
| 14:38.00 | manhunter | how can i help? |
| 14:38.05 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 14:38.05 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 14:40.29 | manhunter | abrotman: so how can i help? |
| 14:40.34 | abrotman | fix bugs |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | test packages/file more bugs |
| 14:40.57 | manhunter | abrotman: i don't know how to fix bugs , i just use debian squeeze beta |
| 14:41.16 | abrotman | it is NOT debian squeeze beta .. i've said that four times now |
| 14:41.22 | manhunter | and i like debian |
| 14:41.51 | manhunter | abrotman: i have install it using debian squeeze beta installer, so what would you say it? |
| 14:42.04 | yareckon | who's on first? |
| 14:42.36 | silverballz | this is #debian right? |
| 14:42.42 | silverballz | is debian on first? |
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| 14:42.51 | manhunter | silverballz: ? |
| 14:43.21 | silverballz | ¿ |
| 14:43.28 | yareckon | manhunter, you will just have to wait for squeeze a bit then |
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| 14:43.46 | abrotman | manhunter: it's just "squeeze" .. no beta, nothing .. it's just not been released as "Debian Stable" |
| 14:44.05 | rozie | manhunter: you want to help Debian? read http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 14:44.19 | rozie | everything you need is described there |
| 14:44.22 | manhunter | abrotman: isn't there anything for debian like alpha>beta> ? |
| 14:44.36 | manhunter | as other distros have |
| 14:44.36 | abrotman | not like you're used to terming it .. no |
| 14:44.36 | silverballz | beta = squeeze |
| 14:44.42 | abrotman | silverballz: NO |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | god .. stop fucking saying that |
| 14:44.54 | rozie | silverballz: not. beta = testing |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | testing is not beta .. there is no beta |
| 14:45.06 | rozie | squeeze != testing (in long run) |
| 14:45.20 | kwork | in short run isnt squueze in testing at the moment? |
| 14:45.22 | kwork | or its unstable? |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | the term 'beta' shouldn't even exist in Debian IMO |
| 14:45.31 | manhunter | so you can say beta squeeze installer |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | kwork: it's pointing at testing currently, sid is always unstable |
| 14:45.50 | kwork | abrotman, okey thanks |
| 14:45.56 | silverballz | abrotman, this was an issue when I first started using debian also. |
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| 14:46.04 | silverballz | The idea is great once its understood |
| 14:46.07 | abrotman | kwork: at some point, squeeze will release and become stable .. then testing will be wheezy |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | and lenny will become oldstable |
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| 14:47.16 | manhunter | abrotman: so there is no alpha>beta term for debian, we will get squeeze as stable after 8 or 12 months , no beta no alpha, get the stable directly,right? |
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| 14:48.08 | manhunter | abrotman: i use debian squeeze , can you post any link to fix bugs |
| 14:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | manhunter, the installer and the release are two separate things.... |
| 14:48.23 | manhunter | i just use , don't know how to fix bugs |
| 14:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell manhunter -about bts |
| 14:49.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I don't see how filing more bugs will have it release "sooner", but whenever it releases it'll be hopefully have at least one bug less |
| 14:49.32 | silverballz | debian is not for the lazy. Ubuntu is. Most of this information abrotman is explain is in the documentation. |
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| 14:51.34 | manhunter | silverballz: why? |
| 14:51.51 | manhunter | CutMeOwnThroat: ok , ok |
| 14:52.02 | manhunter | CutMeOwnThroat: cut your throat |
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| 14:53.00 | Allanis_phone | heya. |
| 14:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | manhunter, hunt your man... you might "/msg dpkg dibbler" about my nick |
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| 14:55.01 | manhunter | i'm lazy! |
| 14:55.32 | silverballz | is a noob |
| 14:55.42 | manhunter | abrotman: one question out of context , http://www.flickr.com/photos/abrotman/favorites/with/1798412/ , is it you,? |
| 14:56.09 | manhunter | what's the meaning of abrotman, we see batman,superman, other abrotman= ? |
| 14:56.53 | manhunter | someone please post a link as guide to fix bugs for debian |
| 14:57.13 | manhunter | and this ,http://www.myspace.com/abrotman |
| 14:57.34 | judd | Sorry, I've got to go for a bit... (back soon) |
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| 14:58.34 | babilen | manhunter: Stop it please. |
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| 14:59.25 | manhunter | babilen: ok |
| 14:59.27 | manhunter | bye |
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| 15:00.34 | cryptr | I guess the squeeze beta stamp comes from the debian-installer beta1 and alpha1 releases on the debian page |
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| 15:02.13 | judd | OK... come kiss my shiny metal (oops... I'm not supposed to say *that* here) |
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| 15:02.33 | yow | hi there, i've just used testdisk to try to recover a 4GB (pendrive) image, it was of type FAT32 (LBA). I wonder if I can use the following command to mount the repaired image: `mount -t vfat -o loop sony-4gb.raw /mnt/test`? |
| 15:02.50 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 15:04.20 | cryptr | yow: if it is a vfat aye, should work |
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| 15:04.30 | vtts | yow, you might have to use offset to skip partition table if it is included in the image |
| 15:04.41 | cryptr | yow: i mount my own that way but i just use -t loop, mount auto finds it as vfat |
| 15:05.01 | yow | cryptr & vtts, thx, let me try. |
| 15:05.16 | cryptr | i used dd though |
| 15:05.25 | cryptr | no clue what testdisk does |
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| 15:05.57 | cryptr | seems nifty though |
| 15:06.00 | yow | cryptr, neither "-t loop" nor "-o loop" works |
| 15:06.14 | vtts | try running "fdisk -lu sony-4gb.raw" and pastebin the output |
| 15:06.20 | cryptr | err -t why did i say -t |
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| 15:06.21 | cryptr | :) |
| 15:06.29 | cryptr | -o loop should work |
| 15:06.29 | yow | vtts, may i know how to find out the offset? |
| 15:06.55 | yow | cryptr, it said: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 15:07.07 | cryptr | yow: read vtts question |
| 15:07.07 | vtts | fdisk -u will tell you the begining of the partition in sectors (512 byte units) |
| 15:07.09 | cryptr | suggestion |
| 15:07.23 | vtts | fdisk -lu that is |
| 15:07.25 | stew | yow: what does "file sony-4gb.raw" say it is? |
| 15:07.36 | stew | yow: is it an image of a partitioned disk? or an image of a partition? |
| 15:07.42 | acemi | losetup -o 32256 /dev/loop0 sony-4gb.raw |
| 15:07.58 | yow | stew: sony-4gb.raw: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xb, active, starthead 0, startsector 32, 7839688 sectors, code offset 0xb8 |
| 15:07.59 | stew | acemi: you know where his partition boundaries are? |
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| 15:08.23 | yow | stew, it is an image of a partitioned pendrive |
| 15:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | he seems to :) |
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| 15:09.12 | stew | yow: then as acemi is telling you, you are going to need to supply an offset to the beginning of the partition, i'm not sure if he has the right offset or not, you can get it from expert mode in fdisk. you might google for "lossetup offset" |
| 15:09.16 | vtts | yow, try: mount -o loop,offset=16384 sony-4gb.raw /mnt |
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| 15:09.21 | stew | oh or there is a tool for this |
| 15:09.26 | stew | !info kpartx |
| 15:09.37 | breardo | hey theres still some meat on that bone.. add some broth, an onion, a few carrots.. and baby, you got yourself a stew goin |
| 15:09.40 | Kyoku | i love debian so much, it's so freaking stable.. thank you thank you |
| 15:09.56 | dpkg | kpartx: (create device mappings for partitions), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.4.8+git0.761c66f-9 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 15:10.18 | yow | vtts, thank you very very much |
| 15:10.24 | yow | vtts, it works! |
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| 15:10.48 | yow | vtts, may i know how do u know "offset=16384"? |
| 15:11.20 | vtts | from the file command u used, which said: startsector 32 |
| 15:11.42 | stew | dpkg: 32 * 512 |
| 15:11.42 | dpkg | 16384 |
| 15:11.43 | vtts | each sector is 512 bytes, so 32*512=16384 |
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| 15:12.21 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, actually, i thought my testdisk repair was not successful as the original partition was of type 0xc (FAT32 with LBA) but the recovered partition type is of type 0xb! |
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| 15:13.35 | iIE | Hi |
| 15:13.50 | iIE | is there anyone using X& to start X? |
| 15:14.01 | krisfremen | startx |
| 15:14.02 | cryptr | i use startx |
| 15:14.06 | breardo | startx here as well |
| 15:14.21 | iIE | X& |
| 15:14.30 | iIE | Start X Server |
| 15:14.44 | iIE | Is there anyone? |
| 15:14.54 | cryptr | yow: 0xc 0xb are both VFAT just LBA and non LBA |
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| 15:14.56 | krisfremen | iIE: startx |
| 15:15.07 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, in fact, i compared the fdisk of the pendrive before it became inaccessible and after it's recovered by testdisk, and I found out that the "Start", "End" and the "Total number of" blocks are different. An article stated that Partition type 0xb and 0xc are the same. Any idea? |
| 15:15.11 | iIE | krisfremen: Oh, do you use X&? |
| 15:15.23 | krisfremen | iIE: no |
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| 15:15.38 | cryptr | iIE: laucnh X in background? |
| 15:15.42 | cryptr | launch. |
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| 15:15.58 | iIE | cryptr: Run X server only |
| 15:16.01 | yow | cryptr, 've just discovered what u just said after googling, however, is it safe to dd the recovered image back to the pendrive? are they identical? |
| 15:16.16 | cryptr | iIE: why? |
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| 15:17.05 | iIE | cryptr: Frankly speaking, as a result, the startx calls xinit and it calls X |
| 15:17.07 | cryptr | yow, I will never give you a yes on questions like that :) |
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| 15:17.44 | mvip | Anyone knows if there are any issues with --delete in rsync when rsyncing to an vfat drive? I'm able to sync in new files just fine (added '-cr --delete') but it doesn't delete the files missing on the source. |
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| 15:19.18 | Andropov | hi people. I installed openldap in some servers running Debian Lenny, everything is fine, but there is one thing I couldn't figure out how to fix. If the ldap server is offline I can't log in the machine with the root account, even if' I'm locally in front of the server. I can log on just using a SSH key or when the ldap server is online |
| 15:19.22 | yow | cryptr, do u mean that although i can now mount and access my data on the recovered pendrive image, however, the recovered image (0xb) is actually different from the original file system/partition (0xc)? could the different type affect the "bootability" of the pendrive? |
| 15:19.59 | cryptr | yow, I can say "it will most likely work" |
| 15:20.01 | cryptr | :) |
| 15:20.09 | yow | cryptr, thx. |
| 15:20.31 | cryptr | yow: anyway, the pendrive isnt important without the data anyway? so just try |
| 15:21.06 | yow | cryptr, u r right |
| 15:21.25 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, thx for your help, im going to fix the actual pendrive now. i hope i can let u guys know the outcome soon. |
| 15:23.26 | amee2k | does a pentium MMX require strict 386? or can it run a 686 kernel? |
| 15:24.28 | yareckon | does debian have a 686 kernel? |
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| 15:24.36 | stew | amee2k: it cannot run 686, 686 requires at least pentium pro/pentium2 or better |
| 15:24.38 | stew | yareckon: yes |
| 15:24.47 | amee2k | last time check it had one |
| 15:24.53 | yareckon | hmm but not an arch named that |
| 15:25.01 | amee2k | hmm. okay. i'll stick to 386 then |
| 15:25.13 | stew | yareckon: no, there is an i386 arch which has 486/686/amd64 kernels |
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| 15:25.45 | amee2k | i thought amd64 has its own arch now? |
| 15:26.02 | stew | amee2k: it does, but you can still run an amd64 kernel in the i386 arch |
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| 15:26.19 | amee2k | hmmm interresting notion |
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| 15:26.28 | amee2k | a 64 bit kernel without 64 bit support |
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| 15:27.36 | babilen | amee2k: Rather 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace |
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| 15:31.08 | lontra_ | hi, when i try to log into to debian it always puts me into the console and i need to invoke kdm manually. what can i do? |
| 15:32.12 | cryptr | mm |
| 15:32.19 | cryptr | update-rc.d -f kdm defaults |
| 15:32.22 | cryptr | perhaps |
| 15:32.26 | yareckon | how are you trying to "log into debian"? |
| 15:32.29 | ksk | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 15:32.29 | yareckon | at kdm? |
| 15:32.30 | lontra_ | It says not starting K Display manager: (kdm) is not default |
| 15:32.34 | cryptr | if /etc/init.d/kdm restart works |
| 15:32.35 | lontra_ | and it says the same thing for xdm |
| 15:32.37 | cryptr | then you could do the update |
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| 15:33.11 | lontra_ | cryptr: ok ... i've tried that should i reboot now and see? |
| 15:33.12 | cryptr | update-alternatives -config x-session-manager |
| 15:33.22 | cryptr | no reboot :) telinit 1 teliniet 2 |
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| 15:33.26 | rga | Hello |
| 15:33.31 | cryptr | telinit 2. |
| 15:33.37 | yareckon | hi there |
| 15:33.40 | lontra_ | ok |
| 15:33.49 | stew | dpkg-reconfigure kdm is the one you need, which sets /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 15:34.00 | stew | which is the reasin it is saying "is not default" |
| 15:34.03 | stew | reason* |
| 15:34.19 | cryptr | yeah |
| 15:34.25 | cryptr | most likely better |
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| 15:34.52 | cryptr | should it not load into the default? |
| 15:34.54 | cryptr | mmm |
| 15:35.03 | cryptr | instead of saying kdm is not default? |
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| 15:35.11 | x0n0x0 | hey, on my new debian i can't use figlet/toilet - it gives me some strange a char with a circle on top (independent from the font that i've chosen), i know that it is not a figlet issue, but a terminal font thing, however, i don't know how to fix it, i'm sure someone can help me, right? (btw, the same odd thing with mc... and yes, utf-8 is enabled...) |
| 15:35.17 | lontra | cryptr: nope ... same thing |
| 15:35.22 | cryptr | lontra: stew has some good pointers |
| 15:35.29 | lontra | what did stew say? |
| 15:35.37 | cryptr | 17:30 < stew> dpkg-reconfigure kdm is the one you need, which sets /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 15:36.14 | x0n0x0 | removing and reinstalling figlet did not work, the figlet-font package is already installed... |
| 15:36.24 | amee2k | !386 |
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| 15:36.31 | amee2k | hm. |
| 15:36.36 | lontra | cryptr: i had done that previously ... hmm ... well i'll give it another shot |
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| 15:36.39 | abrotman | amee2k: you can msg the bot |
| 15:37.08 | amee2k | i was hoping the bot had some useless generic comment about it, because i could use one right now :P |
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| 15:37.34 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, when i `testdisk` the actual pendrive, the detected cylinder/head/sector == 1019/124/62, but, the C/H/S before it was corrupted was == 1133/216/32. So, should i used the values detected by testdisk or should i edit the C/H/S values manually as suggested by testdisk? what would happen if wrong C/H/S values are used? However, testdisk was able to show me the files on the pendrive except that many __esitempfile.tmp |
| 15:37.36 | yow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | amee2k: you can still msg the bot |
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| 15:40.48 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, im going to leave the building for a while due to earthquake :( |
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| 15:41.07 | k1ckn1ck | dont know if someone can help with debian/mailman. I have set everything up. Subscription emails are being sent fine aswell as list owner. Sending emails to list@domain.com process's fine. but mailman does not seem to be actually sending them. the only thing in the log is Nov 12 15:22:52 2010 (7509) <mailman.1.1289575369.8875.mailman@ctem.uk.com> smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 0.338 seconds |
| 15:41.43 | cryptr | yow: owh.. better run, pendrive aint worth dying for imho |
| 15:41.48 | babilen | yow: famous last words? :) |
| 15:41.49 | cryptr | then again |
| 15:42.04 | cryptr | do you run from an earthquake? do not houses fall on you anyway? |
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| 15:44.40 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:45.05 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.32 | stew | happy friday |
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| 15:46.15 | DexterF | changed my lenny server from dhcp to static IP by changing /etc/network/interfaces, commented the dhcp lines and added iface eth0 inet static , address 192.168.0.2,netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.12 (each on their own line). now the interface doesn't come up at boot time. ideas why? |
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| 15:46.54 | stew | DexterF: is there a line reading "auto eth0"? |
| 15:46.55 | cryptr | auto eth0 |
| 15:47.08 | stew | (or whatever the interface name is) |
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| 15:47.27 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.54 | DexterF | stew, cryptr: no, I don't think so. let me guess, that's not "auto-assign address" but "automatically come up at boot time"? |
| 15:48.30 | cryptr | DexterF: spot on |
| 15:48.32 | stew | DexterF: yes, (man interfaces) |
| 15:48.40 | DexterF | thanks |
| 15:48.51 | stew | K0JIbKA: yes, "iptables-save" would list all of your firewall rules |
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| 15:49.05 | stew | K0JIbKA: and if this is a debian problem, that is where it must be |
| 15:49.13 | cryptr | i think that dhcp has "allow-hotplug eth0" in debian nowdays as default |
| 15:49.16 | cryptr | instead of auto eth0 |
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| 15:49.58 | stew | auto and allow-hotplug act the same in most cases |
| 15:50.19 | cryptr | most |
| 15:50.28 | cryptr | ive noticed sometimes it doesnt |
| 15:50.45 | cryptr | but thats another story, now dinner |
| 15:51.05 | K0JIbKA | stew: nikobit@nikobit:~$ iptables-save |
| 15:51.05 | K0JIbKA | bash: iptables-save: command not found |
| 15:51.05 | K0JIbKA | nikobit@nikobit:~$ locate iptables-save |
| 15:51.05 | K0JIbKA | /sbin/iptables-save |
| 15:51.05 | K0JIbKA | /usr/share/man/man8/iptables-save.8.gz well, hot to use it then? |
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| 15:52.33 | Vesperto | is away: C++ |
| 15:52.59 | abrotman | !tell Vesperto about away |
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| 15:53.26 | Vesperto | abrotman: Vesperto only anounces aways once. |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | Vesperto: don't do it ever, thank you |
| 15:53.45 | stew | Vesperto: yes, please stop doing that |
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| 15:54.13 | Vesperto | 'k |
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| 15:55.24 | stew | K0JIbKA: run it as root, put the output into a pastebin |
| 15:55.52 | K0JIbKA | stew: ok |
| 15:56.59 | K0JIbKA | http://pastebin.com/GPr9uVxc |
| 15:58.00 | stew | K0JIbKA: i really don't think this is a problem with debian, i think this is a windows problem |
| 15:58.21 | K0JIbKA | still don't get it. if file isn't edited, how it was possible to ping both machines before? |
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| 16:00.32 | K0JIbKA | though it's not visible Opera Unite is sending files through LAN to Win XP from Debian |
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| 16:01.09 | K0JIbKA | Both ends are communicating but ping is not going to XP from Debian |
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| 16:01.27 | bintut | waves |
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| 16:01.33 | bintut | i wonder why a bash script with a line like: "/usr/bin/wget -qcr -nH -np -nd --cut-dirs=2 --http-user=username --http-password=myp@$$ --no-check-certificate https://host.domain.com/proj1/dir1" does not execute during bootup but if i run it on the bash shell, it works and downloads as expected. any idea? |
| 16:02.22 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: I've just started looking at this tab but if ping doesn't reach Windoze, my nose tells me it's the Firewall on the windows machine |
| 16:02.49 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: that's right |
| 16:02.57 | ali3n0 | bintut, try it with a dash shell |
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| 16:04.22 | thewanderer1 | bintut: also, how do you know it does not execute? perhaps it does? |
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| 16:05.10 | bintut | thewanderer1: i have a die() as an || to the wget |
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| 16:05.30 | thewanderer1 | so you get a failure? |
| 16:05.36 | bintut | yes |
| 16:05.43 | thewanderer1 | and do you execute that *after* network is up? |
| 16:06.10 | bintut | thewanderer1: yes |
| 16:06.23 | thewanderer1 | does it work in dash shell? |
| 16:08.42 | bintut | thewanderer1: haven't tried. the script is actually long.. above the wget line were executed.. the snippet of the script is at http://www.pastie.org/1292950 |
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| 16:10.07 | thewanderer1 | bintut: it might be a problem with subshell expression... the init script gets executed by dash and not bash you know |
| 16:10.21 | thewanderer1 | try to run it now when the system is booted and observe |
| 16:10.32 | bintut | thewanderer1: even if the first line of the script is #!/bin/bash ? |
| 16:10.44 | thewanderer1 | hm, then it should be executed by bash |
| 16:10.48 | thewanderer1 | /etc/init.d/whatever start |
| 16:10.52 | thewanderer1 | and see if it runs |
| 16:11.01 | DexterF | how can I make a box known to other machines by name if it doesn't send its name on leasing IPs because it's static? |
| 16:11.55 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: a DNS server? |
| 16:12.26 | thewanderer1 | what do you run as a DHCP server there? |
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| 16:13.10 | DexterF | thewanderer1: well, my router doesn't have onw built-in |
| 16:13.15 | DexterF | *one |
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| 16:13.29 | icebrain | DexterF: put it on /etc/hosts on the other machines? |
| 16:13.52 | icebrain | doesn't use DHCP either |
| 16:13.55 | DexterF | icebrain: that's so 20th century.... |
| 16:14.04 | Gijs | Hello, Is it possible to view the output of a process in screen? so if i start something with screen and i can always return the output? while it's running? |
| 16:14.26 | Vorbote | DexterF: use avahi? |
| 16:14.33 | icebrain | DexterF: old doesn't mean broken. The Hosts file works fine for static IPs |
| 16:14.36 | DexterF | Vorbote: umm? |
| 16:14.48 | Vorbote | !avahi |
| 16:14.48 | dpkg | Avahi is a <ZeroConf> (mDNS/DNS-SD) implementation, which facilitates service discovery on a local network. http://avahi.org/ #avahi on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:14.52 | thewanderer1 | avahi is just atrocious... |
| 16:15.18 | Vorbote | Desperate times require desperate measures... |
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| 16:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... gotta feed those kids |
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| 16:16.16 | icebrain | thinks running a daemon to bind names to static IPs seems _so_ overkill |
| 16:16.37 | thewanderer1 | yeah, why bother with DNS :) |
| 16:17.05 | thewanderer1 | but if one lacks a DNS server, then yeah, it's either Avahi or /etc/hosts |
| 16:17.09 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 16:17.20 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: your nose is not lying it was Windows firewall |
| 16:17.27 | K0JIbKA | thanks |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | DexterF: samba/netbios? |
| 16:17.29 | icebrain | Gijs: just do screen -r to reattach? |
| 16:17.54 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: run the process through tee so that it saves the output somewhere |
| 16:18.05 | Vorbote | One can assign static IPs with a DHCP server mapping MACS, but *that* is overkill. |
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| 16:18.31 | thewanderer1 | well, it pays off to have a dnsmasq daemon running, serving DHCP and DNS - it automates mapping between those two |
| 16:18.33 | icebrain | Vorbote: DHCP doesn't give out names, you need DNS as well |
| 16:18.33 | DexterF | abrotman: yes, could do that... should work at least with other dists and OSses |
| 16:18.50 | Vorbote | icebrain: obvious. |
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| 16:19.32 | Gijs | well i dont really understand it |
| 16:19.34 | thewanderer1 | if you don't want to manage /etc/hosts then you can centralize it - copy it off NFS during boot or so :) |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | thewanderer1: that's what NIS is for |
| 16:20.09 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: `man tee` and you'll see how it can benefit you |
| 16:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | Vorbote: Actually, assigning static IP's with DHCP is useful if you need to change something like the nameserver or the gateway for 200 machines |
| 16:20.20 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: well, perhaps. I just thought NIS was dead... |
| 16:20.27 | abrotman | just as much as NFS? :) |
| 16:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | network insecurity system dead... whoever said that |
| 16:20.39 | thewanderer1 | what do we have now? :P |
| 16:20.45 | abrotman | if NIS works for your situation, use it |
| 16:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | NIS is more often seen in true Unix campus environments. |
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| 16:21.09 | thewanderer1 | has LDAP working in his |
| 16:21.10 | Vorbote | jhutchins_lt: Of course. It is overkill in your home network. But in a big lan? Yeah, I've done it myself. |
| 16:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, that's a good question... got an answer, too? |
| 16:21.33 | thewanderer1 | we're using NFSv4 with krb5 and it works reasonably well. other than that, OpenAFS. |
| 16:22.05 | Gijs | tee: /home/gijs/process: Text file busy |
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| 16:23.11 | thewanderer1 | Gijs: something is locking your file I think - perhaps you're trying to write to the file from a few different processes? |
| 16:23.26 | Gijs | the process is running |
| 16:23.37 | Gijs | but i want to see the output while it is running |
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| 16:24.02 | thewanderer1 | then cat it or something |
| 16:24.10 | Gijs | how? |
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| 16:24.59 | thewanderer1 | perhaps by `cat` |
| 16:25.25 | thewanderer1 | if it acquires an exclusive lock, then I have no idea how to proceed further with `tee` |
| 16:25.30 | jaggz | A couple days ago my laptop began falling asleep on its own.. The first log entry when it happens seems to be a kernel message: "Freezing user space processes" |
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| 16:26.02 | thewanderer1 | jaggz: it's suspending because something told it to do that - KDE/GNOME settings? |
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| 16:26.20 | Gijs | cat is not working at all |
| 16:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's locked, it's locked |
| 16:26.48 | thewanderer1 | then tell it to write to a FIFO... |
| 16:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | never seen that myself on a file recently, though |
| 16:27.14 | thewanderer1 | write to a FIFO, get something to read from there, display and save elsewhere... |
| 16:27.16 | jaggz | I think it's happening when I'm doing package management.. like when I was installing some php/curl packages.. and now when I was just running mysql's init script by hand |
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| 16:27.45 | thewanderer1 | jaggz: it might be just a coincidence |
| 16:27.58 | jaggz | hm.. |
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| 16:28.30 | jaggz | is there a way of enabling log details related to the power management setup? |
| 16:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'd first check for screensavers and if they're configured in a weird way... at least that's easy to check |
| 16:30.11 | K0JIbKA | Well everything is tried out. Opera Unite replaces samba and partially other services to communicate between different systems. Win XP - Debian are communicating both end with no problem at all. I'm trying streaming media at the moment |
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| 16:31.01 | jaggz | Nov 10 10:09:07 that's the first time it slept. I hadn't installed anything for days until I installed curl 2010-11-10 10:02 |
| 16:31.17 | K0JIbKA | affraid it's not pure Debian software:) |
| 16:31.32 | jaggz | oh wait, I installed curl, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libmcrypt4, libssh2-1-dev and php5-mcrypt all at the same time |
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| 16:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, that doesn't sound related |
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| 16:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | look for messages before the one you showed |
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| 16:33.58 | jaggz | yeah.. it could just be while I'm running commandline stuff (active on the laptop doing things), which is the same as when it happened now. I installed php5-gd at 7:58 this morning, and while running "init.d-disabled/mysql start" at about 8:19 it slept again during the run of mysql |
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| 16:34.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | before the freezing user processes one |
| 16:34.51 | jaggz | hm.. syncing filesystems seems to happen, 3min before, and 16:40 minutes before. |
| 16:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you doing the commandline things on the console? |
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| 16:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be just not using the graphical interface |
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| 16:36.14 | jaggz | no through ssh |
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| 16:36.28 | jaggz | that computer's on all the time otherwise though |
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| 16:36.37 | jaggz | it never sleeps on it's own (until now) |
| 16:36.45 | jaggz | 24/7 |
| 16:36.54 | jaggz | (sorry for the newlines.. grr) |
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| 16:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I'd also say coincidence if it doesn't happen another 10 times or so... |
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| 16:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | just can't see how those should be connected |
| 16:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | look around what power management stuff you have installed, screensavers and the like which might do this |
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| 16:41.35 | thewanderer1 | jaggz: since you're doing everything through ssh and not giving the system any local input (think X.org mouse/keyboard), the system must be thinking that you're idling and suspends the machine... |
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| 16:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | just weird it would decide so after several days |
| 16:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a lot of power management software, though |
| 16:44.09 | jaggz | and it's weird that it's never done it in the past |
| 16:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh freaking aptitude patterns... you can look for those programs with aptitude, beats me how |
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| 16:45.57 | jaggz | on the 2nd I installed a buncha stuff I guess.. I don't recall doing it.. it looks like I was upgrading a lot of packages. |
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| 16:49.01 | jaggz | http://pastebin.com/58R8YK14 |
| 16:49.34 | jaggz | pkgtimes is a handy python script: http://pastebin.com/7eHCRhLM |
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| 16:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont't get hung up on those upgrades |
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| 16:50.56 | jaggz | for this problem or in general? I rarely upgrade |
| 16:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only related upgrade I see right now is that of the kernel |
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| 16:51.11 | jaggz | ah |
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| 16:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | might of course have overlooked someting |
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| 16:52.45 | HTT-Bird | does someone know why I'd still get a "-unknown-lohit oriya-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1" line in xlsfonts output when I have purged the ttf-oriya-fonts package? |
| 16:53.48 | jaggz | [X] Always sleep on mysql startup |
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| 16:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz, aptitude search '~i~Dpower' |
| 16:54.45 | jaggz | I just stopped mysql and restarted it and it seems to have slept again |
| 16:55.03 | jaggz | yeah.. it did.. heh.. going to turn it back on in the other room |
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| 16:55.22 | thewanderer1 | tells everyone intimidated by aptitude search terms, including himself, to bookmark http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 16:55.31 | bohne | hi, using ftp commandline, how to move a bunch of file using wildcars to another directory? |
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| 16:56.06 | babilen | thewanderer1: Just install aptitude-doc and use /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html ;) |
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| 16:56.29 | thewanderer1 | holy penguin, I've been missing out |
| 16:57.36 | thewanderer1 | bohne: your ftp client would have to support wildcard expansion for that, while I believe most of them do not |
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| 16:58.31 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, im back. |
| 16:58.43 | yow | cryptr, vtts & stew, so, does it matter if testdisk detected different C/H/S values? AFAIK, flash drive has no "real" cylinders and heads. Anyway, should I edit the C/H/S manually inside testdisk? |
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| 16:59.01 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you mean like mget and mput ? |
| 17:00.01 | bohne | thewanderer1: i want to move users_* to directory DONE/ how to do that? |
| 17:00.16 | stew | yow: sorry i don't know what testdisk is |
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| 17:01.04 | yow | stew, testdisk is mainly used to recovered lost partitions or boot sectors on FAT, NTFS, ext2, etc. |
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| 17:01.55 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I don't know about mget/mput - where to get that? my aptitude search-fu is weak today |
| 17:02.14 | abrotman | thewanderer1: type 'help' when you use ftp |
| 17:02.33 | yow | stew, Actually, my problem is that i'm still confused about partition tables and C/H/S. does it matter if a recovered partition or drive (pendrive) has different from the original C/H/S values? |
| 17:02.35 | thewanderer1 | oh, the client command |
| 17:02.37 | jaggz | these are all dependent on power: acpi-support apmd gnome-desktop-environment pm-utils |
| 17:02.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you said you didn't know of a client that did globbing .. |
| 17:03.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 17:03.12 | abrotman | you didn't look very hard |
| 17:03.18 | thewanderer1 | true that :/ |
| 17:04.20 | thewanderer1 | but one has to download the files and upload again then, right? |
| 17:05.07 | abrotman | i wasn't answering that part .. just about your statement about the lack of globbing |
| 17:05.14 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 17:05.59 | thewanderer1 | then in case of remote moving, I think one should list the remote files, grep what they need and issue many rename commands |
| 17:07.06 | jaggz | I'm using text messages to alert me to system problems now.. in some cron-job test I have it: echo | mail -s 'Text msg here' ###@carrier-specific-host |
| 17:07.19 | jaggz | (separate topic from my system sleeping each time I run mysql) |
| 17:09.24 | abrotman | bohne: you would use the rename command, but i don't think that it supports wildcards/globbing |
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| 17:11.49 | peterrooney | abrotman: rename takes "*" rather well |
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| 17:12.09 | thewanderer1 | peterrooney: speaking of ftp client's rename |
| 17:12.10 | abrotman | ah okay, hadn't tried .. see .. i didn't read either! |
| 17:12.17 | HTT-Bird | does someone know why I'd still get a "-unknown-lohit oriya-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1" line in xlsfonts output when I have purged the ttf-oriya-fonts package? this is causing "winetricks dotnet20" to break... |
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| 17:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I usually go /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README, but they still suck |
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| 17:12.52 | peterrooney | thewanderer1: damn, that should teach me to hit 'enter' before first cup of coffee is finished. |
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| 17:16.15 | bintut | waves again |
| 17:16.24 | gdebure | I have a question related to this topic : http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html |
| 17:16.33 | gdebure | Is there a more appropriate channel ? |
| 17:16.38 | bintut | i have a script is actually long and has this line: /usr/bin/wget -qcr -nH -np -nd --cut-dirs=2 --http-user=username --http-password=myp@$$ --no-check-certificate https://host.domain.com/proj1/dir1 above the wget line were executed.. the snippet of the script is at http://www.pastie.org/1292950 |
| 17:16.47 | bintut | and the snippet of the logs is at http://www.pastie.org/1293109 |
| 17:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, for one, one wonders who got that splendid idea of using ? and () that need to be escaped and what they were smoking :( of all the commandline schemes inexistance, this makes a good run for the most-horrible-ever prize |
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| 17:18.47 | thewanderer1 | bintut: see, wget is returning errors due to HTTP 404. what were you expecting? |
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| 17:19.17 | bintut | thewanderer1: i found out that the files are in / instead at /tmp |
| 17:19.26 | bintut | thewanderer1: meaning, they were downloaded |
| 17:19.41 | thewanderer1 | yes, that would be correct |
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| 17:20.00 | thewanderer1 | but still, your subshell returns a failure code as wget does |
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| 17:20.37 | bintut | but in the script 2 lines before the wget, there is a "cd $tmpdir" which i expect it to change directory to /tmp |
| 17:20.58 | thewanderer1 | are you sure $tmpdir is set? |
| 17:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | gdebure: I would think that would be something best discussed on a development mailing list. |
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| 17:21.28 | bintut | thewanderer1: that i'm not sure. but in my script, there is a "cd $tmpdir" before the wget |
| 17:21.34 | thewanderer1 | I see |
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| 17:21.48 | thewanderer1 | but if $tmpdir is garbage, it won't cd anyway :P |
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| 17:23.27 | ksk | wouldnt it cd to "$HOME"? :> |
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| 17:29.19 | jhutchins_lt | bintut: Environment variables are usually upper case, which makes me suspect that $tempdir is expected to be set earlier in the script. |
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| 17:30.08 | bintut | jhutchins_lt: i did |
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| 17:34.10 | HTT-Bird | does someone know why I'd still get a "-unknown-lohit oriya-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1" line in xlsfonts output when I have purged the ttf-oriya-fonts package? this is causing "winetricks dotnet20" to break badly...(I'm on Squeeze btw) |
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| 17:38.16 | Vorbote | HTT-Bird: because the X server caches font names at startup. This has nothing to do with fontconfig and predates it more than a decade. Restart your X server and be done with it. :-) |
| 17:38.44 | HTT-Bird | Vorbote, already tried logging all the way out and back in (which should restart X, no?): no dice |
| 17:38.50 | HTT-Bird | :< |
| 17:39.19 | keith4 | no |
| 17:39.21 | babilen | HTT-Bird: Log out and use CTRL-ALT-BKSCP |
| 17:39.38 | HTT-Bird | so log out then ctrl-alt-bksp? kk |
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| 17:42.34 | HTT-Bird | babilen, :< *mumbles something about Ctrl-Alt-Bksp being disabled by default on recent X servers* |
| 17:43.57 | babilen | haha, yeah. Try "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" |
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| 17:45.07 | HTT-Bird | babilen, is it bad if I do that from an xterm? :p |
| 17:45.13 | babilen | HTT-Bird: And you might want to set 'Option "DontZap" "off"' in the "ServerFlags" section |
| 17:45.21 | HTT-Bird | babilen, I was just thinking of that :) |
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| 17:45.50 | babilen | HTT-Bird: It will just kill everything ... not really serious, but you could also log out, log into the console and run it from there |
| 17:46.08 | HTT-Bird | kk |
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| 17:46.15 | HTT-Bird | o/, restarting X |
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| 17:47.53 | norbert_ | hi, I've created some graphical games for GNU/Linux in the past, but I'm thinking of creating something for the web |
| 17:48.12 | norbert_ | I used SDL and Xlib (and GTK+) in the past as libraries for the graphical stuff |
| 17:48.30 | norbert_ | now I've looked into what I could use to get the graphics displayed on the web |
| 17:48.42 | norbert_ | Flash isn't really a choice for various reasons |
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| 17:48.58 | norbert_ | even though it's the most obvious pick for many internet game developers |
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| 17:49.25 | norbert_ | does anyone have suggestions what I could look into |
| 17:49.49 | norbert_ | I know that HTML5 has this canvas thing, but that's pretty immature still and looked complicated since there's not much documentation yet |
| 17:50.21 | norbert_ | people, on for example slashdot, always complain about Flash |
| 17:50.39 | norbert_ | but then you point to games on Newgrounds or whatever, and I think there's not a real alternative |
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| 17:50.47 | Xanbreon | You could use java I suppose |
| 17:50.48 | norbert_ | coding these games with JavaScript or whatever is insanity |
| 17:50.51 | HTT-Bird | babilen, restarted GDM from the terminal |
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| 17:51.06 | HTT-Bird | and the thing STILL shows up in the #$!$!$ xlsfonts listing |
| 17:51.24 | norbert_ | Xanbreon: Java, yes, but that language is pretty much dying |
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| 17:51.36 | babilen | HTT-Bird: Does show up in fc-list? You might want to take a look at "fc-cache" |
| 17:51.36 | norbert_ | I always have it disabled in my browser |
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| 17:51.57 | Xanbreon | norbert_: mhhm |
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| 17:52.12 | HTT-Bird | babilen, no |
| 17:52.35 | norbert_ | I know that that one, very popular blocks game is coded in Java |
| 17:52.48 | Xanbreon | java/flash/html5 are the main choices for totally web based stuff |
| 17:52.53 | Vorbote | HTT-Bird: then probably there is a stale fonconfig file for the removed fonts. Run "fc-cache -r -f" as root. |
| 17:52.54 | norbert_ | but that surprised me and I think it's mostly the exception that proves the rule |
| 17:53.27 | Xanbreon | ActiveX (!!!!) |
| 17:53.42 | HTT-Bird | Vorbote, what does -r do on that? I'm not seeing that switch in the manpage |
| 17:53.42 | norbert_ | and since I'm on GNU/Linux |
| 17:53.52 | norbert_ | that means I can scratch flash and activx |
| 17:53.57 | norbert_ | and html5 is too immature |
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| 17:54.05 | Xanbreon | <joke> |
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| 17:54.10 | babilen | HTT-Bird: "really-force" |
| 17:54.10 | norbert_ | so I have to code games in Java while others use all these nice Flash suites |
| 17:54.18 | Xanbreon | Pretty much |
| 17:54.20 | norbert_ | isn't there a better way :/ |
| 17:54.25 | thewanderer1 | norbert_: HTML5 |
| 17:54.40 | Vorbote | HTT-Bird: the -r flag removes all fontconfig flash files before creating new ones. The -f flag forces removal if there are permission problems. |
| 17:54.41 | HTT-Bird | yeah, go bleeding edge. we need more folks doing HTML5 things. |
| 17:54.55 | HTT-Bird | cool, talk about an underwhelming manpage :P |
| 17:55.06 | babilen | hehe |
| 17:55.11 | Xanbreon | HTML5 limits your audience atm, least not without a flash or otherwise fallback |
| 17:55.12 | norbert_ | someone should code a sdl to html5 converter :) |
| 17:55.16 | HTT-Bird | Vorbote, will I need to restart X again? |
| 17:55.33 | thewanderer1 | if you want to write a game, use SDL, not the web browser... |
| 17:55.39 | Vorbote | HTT-Bird: probably, but don't sweat it. The error you see is harmless. |
| 17:55.42 | yow | stew, vtts & cryptr, i still haven't figured out the CHS for pendrive, i'm going to sleep over it and continue tomorrow. thx for your help. Bye now. |
| 17:55.48 | thewanderer1 | if you want a browser game, make a text-based one :) |
| 17:55.54 | stew | yow: why do you care about CHS? |
| 17:55.54 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, SDL for input, OpenGL for 3D and 2D, OpenAL for sound |
| 17:55.55 | norbert_ | thewanderer1: but I'm on GNU/Linux and can check if it compiles properly on any other machine |
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| 17:56.22 | HTT-Bird | restarting X again |
| 17:56.28 | Xanbreon | native client > some iffy webbrowser based junk for games anyhow imo |
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| 17:56.46 | norbert_ | I think Flash is great |
| 17:56.56 | thewanderer1 | you know, there's a contest held by Mozilla right now regarding coding games in HTML5 |
| 17:56.59 | norbert_ | I play Flash games all the time and everything works fine under GNU/Linux |
| 17:57.03 | Xanbreon | Apart from that it sucks |
| 17:57.07 | yow | stew, because although testdisk seems to be able to save my data but the CHS it showed was different from the original CHS values, i don't know what impact it would be if I use the new/different CHS values on my pendrive. |
| 17:57.11 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it is proprietary technology, norbert_ |
| 17:57.18 | norbert_ | yes, proprietary :( |
| 17:57.26 | norbert_ | maybe I will look into html5 |
| 17:57.36 | stew | yow: how are you going to use the CHS values? |
| 17:57.38 | thewanderer1 | one day Adobe gave us the finger and said "no support for Flash on amd64, sorry" |
| 17:57.46 | norbert_ | bleeding edge could be interesting; if I get any good, it might get me a nicer job one day |
| 17:57.48 | Xanbreon | Lest the supports back |
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| 17:57.54 | Xanbreon | >> |
| 17:57.58 | Xanbreon | *least |
| 17:58.01 | yow | stew, as i think the CHS of the pendrive should be restored to the original values. |
| 17:58.09 | babilen | HTT-Bird: better? |
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| 17:58.16 | HTT-Bird | Vorbote and babilen: and that stupid oriya font STILL shows up in xlsfonts output |
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| 17:58.21 | kotique | alrighty, you wanted me back, I'm back. |
| 17:58.23 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:58.31 | kotique | how do I build packages on debian?:) |
| 17:58.33 | HTT-Bird | which is BAD, because winetricks dotnet20 will not work without it gone |
| 17:58.45 | yow | stew, i don't know but i don't think im going to use the CHS values directly. do u think the CHS values are not important, as long as the data is saved/same? |
| 17:58.52 | stew | kotique: /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:59.09 | stew | yow: yes, i don't think you should pay any attention to the CHS values |
| 17:59.17 | stew | yow: if something goes wrong, you have a backup, right? |
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| 17:59.47 | yow | stew, yes, i have dd the pendrive |
| 18:00.27 | yow | stew, IIRC, some company (SONY?) stated that we should not change the CHS values of the pendrive?! |
| 18:01.21 | yow | stew, i don't know why the company said so, perhaps it would slow down the speed of the pendrive? |
| 18:01.51 | HTT-Bird | yow, probably to avoid confusing braindamaged OSes |
| 18:02.14 | stew | yow: then ignore me. they must know more than i do |
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| 18:02.58 | yow | HTT-Bird, will different CHS values change or corrupt partition table or MBR of a pendrive? |
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| 18:03.29 | HTT-Bird | yow, I betcha they will confuse Windows :P |
| 18:03.56 | thewanderer1 | and ms-dos partition table as well |
| 18:04.07 | HTT-Bird | http://code.google.com/p/winezeug/issues/detail?id=143 <-- babilen, this is what I'm hitting...I wasn't able to find any related bugreports against ttf-oriya-fonts or its source package |
| 18:04.20 | babilen | HTT-Bird: let me have a look |
| 18:05.18 | yow | HTT-Bird & thewanderer1, so, when i recover a corrupted partition table using tool like testdisk, i should have the CHS restored to the original values then? |
| 18:05.49 | HTT-Bird | yow, yes. like I said, I would not be surprised if Windows blew up when seeing a pendrive with nonstandard CHS |
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| 18:06.10 | babilen | HTT-Bird: fc-cache was the last thing that popped into my mind. I am really not sure why this happens. Could you check that *all* files installed with the oriya fonts are gone? |
| 18:06.19 | babilen | HTT-Bird: You were on Squeeze or Lenny? |
| 18:06.24 | HTT-Bird | Squeeze |
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| 18:06.42 | HTT-Bird | babilen, 'locate oriya' returns nothing |
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| 18:06.53 | thewanderer1 | updatedb... |
| 18:07.18 | yow | HTT-Bird, "nonstandard" CHS? do u mean pendrives of the same capacity produced by different companies will have the same standard CHS values? |
| 18:07.25 | babilen | HTT-Bird: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/ttf-oriya-fonts/filelist |
| 18:07.30 | HTT-Bird | yow, "nonstandard" as in "not what the mfgr spec'ed" |
| 18:07.51 | yow | HTT-Bird, ic, thx. |
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| 18:08.32 | babilen | HTT-Bird: Sollten aber eigentlich alle entfernt worden sein ... |
| 18:08.47 | babilen | HTT-Bird: Ah, ELANG == Should all have been removed though |
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| 18:09.12 | HTT-Bird | babilen, I can't find a trace of them, either by looking manually or with locate -i |
| 18:09.15 | yow | stew & HTT-Bird, it's 2am here in Taiwan, i better go to bed and continue tomorrow as my health is not in very good state. thx for your time and effort. |
| 18:09.19 | HTT-Bird | o/ yow |
| 18:10.45 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:11.06 | babilen | yow: æå® |
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| 18:12.22 | yow | babilen, æå®! Are you chinese? |
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| 18:13.20 | yow | babilen, im malaysian chinese, working in taiwan now. |
| 18:13.39 | babilen | yow: No, just studied Chinese.. in taiwan (wenhua and taida) |
| 18:13.44 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.13 | babilen | yow: But this gets off topic -- /join #debian-offtopic later ... but sleep well now :) |
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| 18:16.12 | angel-tsankov | can u recommend a rar extractor |
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| 18:17.01 | babilen | unrar? |
| 18:17.05 | HTT-Bird | babilen, talk about a stumper...is there some place I can go for more in-depth X troubleshooting advice? |
| 18:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk, tsk, babilen he wanted to know from this u guy, not from you |
| 18:17.21 | angel-tsankov | babilen: unrar does not handle all files |
| 18:17.24 | babilen | HTT-Bird: #debian-x (on irc.oftc.net) and #xorg |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | angel-tsankov: which unrar? there are two |
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| 18:17.42 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Right :-\ |
| 18:17.49 | babilen | angel-tsankov: disregard that |
| 18:17.52 | angel-tsankov | abrotman: really? |
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| 18:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | try unrar-nonfree |
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| 18:19.57 | jelly-home | or rar. |
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| 18:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you have to pay for that after a trial period |
| 18:20.37 | jelly-home | didn't notice that |
| 18:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.33 | d0uglas | Hi, I'm looking for a simple group shared web-based calendar system but keep striking out on sourceforge and google with old and abandoned projects like Chausette. Any recommendations? |
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| 18:22.12 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: where does it say that? |
| 18:22.29 | stew | jelly-home: in the debian/copyright for rar |
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| 18:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, apt-cache show rar-2.80 for sqzeeze |
| 18:23.01 | jelly-home | oh, I don't read docs if I don't have to |
| 18:23.05 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/r/rar/rar_3.9.3-1/rar.copyright |
| 18:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | d0uglas, look through what little apt-cache search web calendar provides? |
| 18:23.55 | stew | d0uglas: have you looked at davical? |
| 18:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, it's in the package description, I guess that's fair enough |
| 18:24.11 | keith4 | stew: is there a decent web caldav client yet? |
| 18:24.22 | stew | no idea |
| 18:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no mechanism in place to enforce the 40 day trial period, though, as far as I know... |
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| 18:25.39 | HTT-Bird | babilen, tried asking in both #xorg and in oftc's #debian-x |
| 18:26.03 | thewanderer1 | usually tells the packers to compress to a .zip if he receives a .rar... and insists on it strongly |
| 18:26.04 | babilen | HTT-Bird: And you have a solution now? |
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| 18:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, yesterday I yanked pulseaudio out and the mic started working, worked on a skype test call. Today, not a peep out of it. I have sliders in the mixer, but no sound. |
| 18:26.19 | jhutchins_lt | (playback sound is fine.) |
| 18:26.22 | HTT-Bird | no, still waiting for a response in both channels |
| 18:26.28 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze of course, I know, testing. |
| 18:26.56 | d0uglas | ahh hey, agenda.app, that might work. thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 18:27.02 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: do you have capture enabled? |
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| 18:27.18 | thewanderer1 | (not just sliders, but capture channels have to be active) |
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| 18:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | I have a capture channel, but no apparent switches. |
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| 18:31.03 | thewanderer1 | alsamixer? pressing space on it will enable/disable it |
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| 18:32.50 | mati75 | hey all |
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| 18:35.56 | HTT-Bird | babilen, found some remnants of it hiding in the defoma cache, removed them and will restart X |
| 18:36.47 | HTT-Bird | actually didn't need to restart X, and yeah, it's gone now! |
| 18:36.48 | HTT-Bird | :D |
| 18:36.53 | babilen | HTT-Bird: Good call ... you might want to file a bug against the oriya font package |
| 18:37.01 | babilen | !win HTT-Bird |
| 18:37.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, HTT-Bird! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:39.38 | mouseclone | Have a quick question. I needed to move drives from one server to another and now the network cards are not working. I can't remember where this information is stored. let me know if you have an idea. I know it is something about deleteing a line or to and rebooting to let the os reconfig it. |
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| 18:40.58 | xand | mouseclone: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or similar. |
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| 18:43.40 | mouseclone | xand: thanks and I was so damn close to where I should have been looking. |
| 18:43.48 | mouseclone | cahoot: thanks. |
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| 18:45.18 | HTT-Bird | babilen, bug filed |
| 18:45.29 | HTT-Bird | oh wait...reportbug segfaulted? :( |
| 18:45.50 | HTT-Bird | anyhow, got to talk to a teacher then eat and head to lab |
| 18:45.51 | HTT-Bird | so o/ |
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| 18:49.44 | guest__ | what should i check when dpkg throws this error... Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. |
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| 18:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | This is just so frustrating, I can't see any difference but what worked last night doesn't work now. |
| 18:55.41 | WormFood | when I bring up an aliased network interface (like eth0:0), it should respond to a ping, like normal, right? (I mean, assuming I didn't disable that, and I didn't) |
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| 19:05.01 | guest__ | not filtered out,,, yes |
| 19:05.12 | guest__ | anyone on the hal problem ? |
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| 19:07.45 | guest__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.48 | guest__ | Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald1 |
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| 19:10.49 | bintut | waves |
| 19:11.13 | pipeline | WormFood: yes |
| 19:11.20 | bintut | gtg now.. thank you to all.. i need to take a nap now.. |
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| 19:13.07 | WormFood | thanks pipeline, that is what I thought, just wanted to confirm they didn't set something odd as a default...I think something is wrong with the routing with my hosting company...I'm about to file a report, after I try a few more things. |
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| 19:23.13 | hp | Hi, is it possible to run a script from init.d but then drop privileges to a non-sudo user? |
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| 19:24.13 | K0JIbKA | thank you all, people. Debian is great, you are great, good night everybody, everybody everywhere:-D |
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| 19:24.24 | guest__ | hp yes. sudo can do that for you so can su either will work from within initscripts |
| 19:24.44 | _SKiTZO | hi! i need to know which program parses /etc/issue at boot |
| 19:24.57 | _SKiTZO | i need to display the IP adress of the machine at boot |
| 19:25.07 | _SKiTZO | unfortunately \o only uses the hostname |
| 19:25.24 | hp | guest__, thanks, I'll look into that. |
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| 19:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hp, look at the existing scripts, which all use start-stop-daemon... |
| 19:26.47 | guest__ | which ip address ? dhcp for a wifi or eth or localhost 127.0.0.1 ? or some static something or other ??? |
| 19:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell hp -about init.d |
| 19:27.11 | robokop | _SKiTZO: getty parses /etc/issue |
| 19:27.34 | guest__ | CutMeOwnThroat oh yeah start-stop-daemon can run as user too... i forgot... |
| 19:28.02 | JKL_ | is it possible to force commands like with in authorized_keys without using keys? |
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| 19:28.55 | P4C0 | hello I have a problem with drbd 0.7 on lenny, can't compile the module is there any work around for this? |
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| 19:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | P4C0, not saying I could answer anyway, but with the information you provided right now, nobody can. |
| 19:32.34 | P4C0 | CutMeOwnThroat: it is this bug (sorry): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490954 |
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| 19:33.36 | P4C0 | thing is that I'm updating from etch to lenny, 2 servers, started with one, but can't get drbd0.7 on it and as far as I know drbd 0.7 and 8 are not compatible |
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| 19:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | P4C0, looks like upstream just doesn't update it anymore and it doesn't work with more recent kernels? |
| 19:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see how you would solve this except by porting to newer kernels yourself... |
| 19:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly sticking to an old kernel it works with |
| 19:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | with all the disadvantages _that_ has |
| 19:39.17 | Vorbote | And do realize that linux 2.4 is already agonizing. A year more, tops. |
| 19:39.33 | P4C0 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks I'll have to port to 8 then |
| 19:39.58 | P4C0 | faster than scheduled |
| 19:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could mail that other guy from the bug if he did it... |
| 19:41.04 | guest__ | wonders why hald wont start... |
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| 19:48.08 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't hald deprecated by udev? |
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| 19:57.54 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:02.24 | guest__ | jhutchins_lt ? |
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| 20:02.35 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: no |
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| 20:04.05 | guest__ | udev stops/starts ok, but hald doesn't and it's throughing dpkg for a loop... i'd kinda like to fix it, rather than just working around it |
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| 20:04.28 | Phantom_Hoover | OK, this definitely isn't a Debian issue, but this is as good a place as any to ask. |
| 20:04.42 | Phantom_Hoover | My graphics drivers are significantly flawed. |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | are you even running Debian ? |
| 20:05.06 | Phantom_Hoover | Yes. |
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| 20:05.14 | abrotman | you'll have to give us more info |
| 20:05.18 | Phantom_Hoover | But the problem was on Ubuntu too, and the drivers are the X ones. |
| 20:05.27 | Phantom_Hoover | Anyway, I'll continue. |
| 20:05.53 | Phantom_Hoover | The GPU hangs when I attempt to do a number of (fairly) graphically intensive things. |
| 20:05.54 | guest__ | drinks to ubuntu 2 too |
| 20:06.26 | kotique | how do I get a list of versions available in repos of a package? |
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| 20:06.40 | Phantom_Hoover | lspci says my display controller is "Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)" |
| 20:06.56 | keith4 | kotique: apt-cache policy |
| 20:07.03 | gusnan | kotique, or go to http://packages.debian.org/[package] |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: which version of Debian? i have one of those in my laptop, haven't had an issue |
| 20:07.42 | Phantom_Hoover | The problem was absent until I upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04; it persisted through upgrades to the 64-bit version of the OS, the upgrade to 10.10 and my switch to Debian. |
| 20:07.55 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, Squeeze of some description. |
| 20:08.22 | stew | kotique: or perhaps "apt-cache madison packagename" or "rmadison packagename" |
| 20:08.24 | Phantom_Hoover | But as I just said, it's unlikely to be specific, particularly since the Intel drivers in question are apparently part of X itself. |
| 20:08.56 | guest__ | kotique or use apt-file even |
| 20:09.12 | kotique | you should really lower down the number of utilities, like rhel or gentoo does |
| 20:09.33 | Phantom_Hoover | The issue first manifested itself while running Oolite 1.74 with some graphical extensions, although it has occurred in at least 2 other places. |
| 20:09.50 | Phantom_Hoover | Oolite ran perfectly with the same extensions beforehand. |
| 20:10.13 | guest__ | kotique heh. sure. why not use windows to you can only use windows errrr no. |
| 20:10.43 | stew | kotique: which one should I get rid of first? |
| 20:10.44 | kotique | actually, their server systems are pretty thought out. |
| 20:10.56 | kotique | no idea, make a wrapper if you want to keep them |
| 20:10.57 | Phantom_Hoover | I'm informed that this makes no sense at all. |
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| 20:11.11 | stew | kotique: go for it |
| 20:11.57 | guest__ | anyone have thoughts on where to start debuging /etc/init.d/hal start ? |
| 20:12.12 | keith4 | kotique: different tools for different jobs. ask a vague question, get multiple answers |
| 20:12.12 | stew | guest__: "bash -x /etc/init.d/hal start" ? |
| 20:12.23 | Phantom_Hoover | I've attempted to get help several times before, but noöne else seemed to have any help to offer. |
| 20:12.35 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, wait, you have that same hardware? |
| 20:12.38 | kotique | actually, rpm manages to have them all in one. although it's using huge number of sub-utilities |
| 20:12.56 | guest__ | stew well i know that it's the daemon that is failing. but why. |
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| 20:13.20 | kotique | enable debuggin for hal and you'll get debug info |
| 20:13.34 | kotique | man hald |
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| 20:13.58 | guest__ | cause /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes --verbose=yes says it's starting and then just ends with exit code 1 |
| 20:14.34 | stew | kotique: these utilities of course do tons of stuff that rpm cannot |
| 20:14.34 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, would you mind trying to replicate the conditions for me? |
| 20:14.35 | kotique | set --daemon=no |
| 20:14.50 | kotique | stew, for example what stuff , which is needed for user? |
| 20:15.05 | stew | kotique: how about the one you asked about? |
| 20:15.23 | kotique | you mean rpm -q ? |
| 20:15.33 | kotique | rpm doesn't work with repos, yum does. yum info package |
| 20:15.36 | kotique | yum search package |
| 20:15.46 | stew | kotique: so there is your example |
| 20:16.07 | guest__ | Connection ":1.28" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.Hal" due to security policies in the configuration file |
| 20:16.10 | guest__ | ? |
| 20:16.12 | stew | kotique: how do you get rpm to tell you what versions are avilable in a pacakge for multiple versions of redhat and fedora and centos? |
| 20:16.36 | keith4 | kotique: yah... RPM is *much* more straightforward: http://pastebin.com/GYFut8a1 |
| 20:16.43 | guest__ | does that mean the config is the reason ? |
| 20:16.51 | guest__ | looks |
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| 20:17.23 | kotique | keith4, btw, do you see the gouping? that's awesome. does apt or whatever have such grouping on first line of man page? |
| 20:17.33 | keith4 | surely, you jest |
| 20:17.56 | kotique | stew, rpm packages are only of one version, there aren't multiversion packages. |
| 20:18.07 | keith4 | of course, you can just install rpm and use that, if you like... |
| 20:18.09 | kotique | if you want to install 2 different versions, you just get 2 rpms. |
| 20:18.13 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: i don't have that machine here |
| 20:18.16 | keith4 | or go use CentOS/RHEL/whatever. who's stopping you? |
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| 20:18.31 | stew | kotique: same with debian packages |
| 20:18.33 | kotique | i'm forced :) the system wasn't installed by me and I can't wipe it out. |
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| 20:18.59 | keith4 | kotique: also, the grouping isn't in the man page |
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| 20:19.53 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, ah, damn. |
| 20:20.12 | kotique | http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/rpm.8.html pretty clear man page. |
| 20:20.12 | Phantom_Hoover | Well, this mystery will have to continue annoying me. |
| 20:20.26 | Phantom_Hoover | Wait, what's the X channel? |
| 20:20.31 | keith4 | kotique: and? |
| 20:21.10 | kotique | rpm can list files in a package;) |
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| 20:22.12 | abrotman | so can dpkg |
| 20:22.43 | keith4 | kotique: and what's stopping you from using rpm? |
| 20:22.46 | kotique | but that's low level utility from what I read |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | so is RPM |
| 20:23.02 | kotique | actually, it's not ;) |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | actually, it is |
| 20:23.14 | keith4 | yum:rpm::apt:dpkg |
| 20:23.17 | abrotman | Debian also has apt-file |
| 20:23.50 | kotique | you can do everything with 1 rpm utility and nothing is needed if you have packages on medium |
| 20:23.50 | stew | and many tools that probably have no equivalent in redhat |
| 20:23.52 | stew | like rmadison |
| 20:24.03 | abrotman | kotique: RPM can fetch packages? |
| 20:24.04 | stew | kotique: except for the thing you came asking about, which rpm cannot do |
| 20:24.08 | kotique | no gui, no frontends and so on |
| 20:24.45 | stew | kotique: how do you get all the versions available from different reepositories with rpm? |
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| 20:25.09 | kotique | well, actually, rpm can work with http:// and ftp:// :) but it doesn't work with repos , that's yum job |
| 20:25.11 | somiaj | kotique: maybe look at aptitude, a single command to try to put all the apt-get, apt-cache, apt-file into a single tool that in many cases can be better, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 20:25.30 | abrotman | is any of this really Debian related? |
| 20:25.33 | kotique | somiaj, thank you, i've tried it already. How do you list files in an installed package with aptitude? thanks. |
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| 20:25.47 | keith4 | kotique: how do you list files in an installed package with yum? |
| 20:26.04 | dkr | kotique: alias "aptitude list" "dpkg -l" |
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| 20:26.32 | abrotman | dkr: you mean -L ? |
| 20:26.42 | dkr | yes |
| 20:27.06 | kotique | dkr, haha, that's what i'm talking about. you need a wrapper in your distro. |
| 20:27.16 | abrotman | kotique: do you actually have a Debian question? |
| 20:27.27 | dkr | kotique: so submit a patch to aptitude to add that fature, :) |
| 20:27.42 | keith4 | why are we even arguing with the troll? |
| 20:27.48 | abrotman | you're letting him .. |
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| 20:28.22 | kotique | already resolved it by apt-cache policy |
| 20:28.50 | abrotman | judd: info apt-show-versions |
| 20:28.52 | judd | Package apt-show-versions (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: lists available package versions with distribution. Version: 0.15; Size: 35.7k; Installed: 184k |
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| 20:29.38 | kotique | I said in first line of my proposal that you need all-in-one wrapper. |
| 20:29.41 | kotique | like rpm. |
| 20:29.45 | abrotman | rpm doesn't have one |
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| 20:29.54 | abrotman | have a nice day .. go play somewhere else |
| 20:30.15 | kotique | okay, rpm for network detached systems and rpm + yum for internet attached systems |
| 20:30.41 | kotique | 2 utils, but not 5: aptitude, apt-get, apt-file, apt-cache, dpkg |
| 20:30.43 | abrotman | I think we're done here ... |
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| 20:31.00 | kotique | no wonder I was trying to update old package with apt-get update :-) |
| 20:31.16 | somiaj | update doesn't upgrade old packages |
| 20:31.42 | kotique | thanks "remove" isn't mapped to "install" |
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| 20:31.58 | keith4 | somiaj: no, but if you don't have a clue what you're doing, you might think apt works like rpm |
| 20:32.04 | Phantom_Hoover | #intel-gfx doesn't seem to have any help for me... |
| 20:32.23 | kotique | Phantom_Hoover, nobody will help you if you have broken hardware |
| 20:32.49 | kotique | download official driver from intel's site if you need gpu support |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | kotique: please go troll somewhere else |
| 20:32.58 | abrotman | you're done here |
| 20:33.14 | kotique | go give orders somewhere else |
| 20:33.16 | jaggz | each time I turn on my computer from its narcolepsy it displays some message about usb having and over charge on port 2 |
| 20:33.22 | jaggz | then goes back to sleep |
| 20:33.45 | jaggz | powered it off and booted it.. let's see.. *sigh* |
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| 20:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | do I have to run samba to share a drive with windows inside a qemu virtual machine or is there some easier way |
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| 20:36.53 | macrobat | i was about to install kde, but i want to avoid having to revert any changes with update-alternatives. how do i keep my preferred applications? |
| 20:37.00 | thewanderer1 | qemu supports virtual samba sharing so that you don't have to run samba on the host, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:37.12 | thewanderer1 | that is, unless you use tap networking instead of user-mode (slirp) |
| 20:37.32 | kotique | macrobat, in rhel, you just backup /etc/alternatives and /var/lib/alternatives |
| 20:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, no idea what I use... I used virt-manager now to start and it just magically worked |
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| 20:37.57 | stew | kotique: please keep it on-topic |
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| 20:38.32 | dkr | although his solution would work, wouldn't it? |
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| 20:39.07 | stew | not exactly |
| 20:39.16 | ska | Is it ok to remove x11-common pkg for a headless server? |
| 20:39.31 | keith4 | need x11-common for x forwarding, don't you? |
| 20:39.32 | stew | ska: it would probably take a lot with it that you might not want to remove |
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| 20:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, so it'd be mounted on the linux side and using that virtual samba on the kvm side? |
| 20:41.07 | stew | ska: "aptitude --simulate remove x11-common" would show you what would happen |
| 20:41.49 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: there was this command-line option that exports a host's directory, although read-only, through the user-mode network stack, on one of qemu's internal IP's (10.2.x.x) via Samba protocol |
| 20:42.28 | ska | stew: thanks.. I wasn't sure if it would remove anyting critical, sometimes its hard to tell, just looking at the simulation. |
| 20:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | read-only would become painful over time, though... |
| 20:43.08 | stew | ska: things that might be on a server that end up pulling in x11-common are graphics libraries |
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| 20:43.22 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, I'd need to read the current documentation to see what has changed though... I can vaguely remember some read-write method |
| 20:43.36 | stew | ska: so some of my webservers end up pulling it in because they use some form of imagemagick, which has display, which is x11 enabled |
| 20:43.46 | stew | ska: or my mailserver need it for spamassassin |
| 20:43.53 | Phantom_Hoover | Is it possible to put stuff from Sid into Squeeze? |
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| 20:44.14 | thewanderer1 | Phantom_Hoover: it's often possible to squeeze it in :) |
| 20:44.43 | Phantom_Hoover | hits thewanderer1 with a flyswatter with a pan stuck to it --==#/ |
| 20:44.58 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: yes, though you'll want to be weary of what you are pulling in from sid that might never make it to squeeze if you are planning to stay with squeeze post-release |
| 20:45.12 | ska | stew: good to know.. Thanks. |
| 20:45.13 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the wiki says: http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/9psetup |
| 20:45.38 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, well, FWIW, it's because the best advice I've had so far is to get the latest Xorg drivers. |
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| 20:46.59 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: when it comes to less exotic methods, try this http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html - grep it for "samba" and also see the #disk_005fimages_005ffat_005fimages anchor |
| 20:49.39 | jaggz- | on the tired laptop here.. I strace -t -f init.d/mysql start'ed ... it takes 2 or 3 times of turning on the computer before it'll stay on.. Here seems to be the first location where the strace log shows the delay when the computer sleeps: http://pastebin.com/pJUFWU6b |
| 20:49.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I guess I could add a disk as an usb disk and plug it in and out... not too comfortable either, but easy to do |
| 20:50.10 | jaggz- | thewanderer1: do you use firefox's "web developer toolbar"? |
| 20:50.15 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: what about loopback file? :P |
| 20:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, the first url from you seems only for linux guests... the 2nd one... seems I have to run samba |
| 20:50.24 | thewanderer1 | jaggz-: sorry, I moved to Chromium half a year ago |
| 20:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | won't help, can't double-mount the same drive |
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| 20:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean not at the same time... I guess I will just use a usb-disk image for now or sftp/scp, as the guest also keeps crashing and move to samba when that gets on my nerves :-P |
| 20:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, thanks for the URLs |
| 20:53.08 | jaggz- | a lot happens in a second on the computer.. |
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| 20:54.50 | Phantom_Hoover | OK, I'll be more specific: how do I get xserver-xorg-vido-intel from Sid without replacing significant amounts of other things? |
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| 20:55.03 | Darkonz | Free megaupload, rapidshare, hotfile account here: http://tinyurl.com/freeaccountz |
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| 20:56.27 | jaggz- | phantom, hm, I'm not familiar with the true dependencies of it.. sorry. |
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| 20:57.14 | Phantom_Hoover | jaggz-, was that addressed at me? |
| 20:57.42 | Phantom_Hoover | I can put up with dependencies changing; I just don't want to end up running Sid rather than modified Squeeze. |
| 20:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft, or I install samba :) |
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| 21:32.00 | chrisign | ich habe hier eine DVD, die man nur mit root-Rechten öffnen kann, was soll das denn? Soll ein Kopieschutz sein? Wohl kaum |
| 21:34.27 | thewanderer1 | !de |
| 21:34.27 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 21:35.14 | chrisign | =-Osorry |
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| 21:39.58 | chrisign | okay, then I just got an Film-DVD whitch is only acceble with root-privileges, what is all about? so far I can look the movie just with totem on gksu |
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| 21:44.03 | nader | hi, how to change green color in twm? |
| 21:44.07 | cast | i have a feeling dpkg knows....how do i make ctrl-alt-backspace kill x again? :) |
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| 21:46.02 | thewanderer1 | !tell cast about dontzap |
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| 21:46.28 | claw | hey there im am new to debian or even linux and trying to get started but it seems to be a long long way - well i was able to install the debian stable and its up and running but now i will need some software like xchat for example. how should i do that? |
| 21:46.36 | cast | thanks :> |
| 21:46.53 | cast | claw: aptitude install xchat, as root |
| 21:47.05 | claw | okay thanks |
| 21:47.07 | cast | claw: you probably should do an aptitude search xchat first |
| 21:47.22 | claw | why apt-get install xchat does not work for me ? |
| 21:47.49 | cast | !why aptitude |
| 21:47.50 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
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| 21:48.58 | claw | okay thank you very much |
| 21:48.59 | kingsley | FYI: Evidently a hidden debug mode has been revealed in AMD's processors. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/11/12/047243/Hidden-Debug-Mode-Found-In-AMD-Processors |
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| 21:50.34 | thewanderer1 | kingsley: nice! I only hope it doesn't let a random user become 'almighty' by switching modes in a few lines of ASM... |
| 21:51.36 | kingsley | thewanderer1: I agree. |
| 21:52.25 | Mike632T | What would the most appropriate file system type be for a dedicated SOHO file server..? (Single spindle SATA disk >= 1TB) |
| 21:52.36 | pipeline | Mike632T: ext3 |
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| 21:53.10 | pipeline | Mike632T: jfs, reiserfs, xfs are all legacy filesystems that should probably be avoided. btrfs, ext4, zfs are experimental or have license issues. ext3 is the only serious option. |
| 21:53.12 | cast | ext4 could work too, as could XFS |
| 21:53.41 | pipeline | the parent company of XFS has gone bankrupt twice in this decade |
| 21:53.51 | cast | so? |
| 21:53.53 | pipeline | how do you know it will be maintained after the next bankruptcy ? |
| 21:53.58 | cast | it's in the kernel and is being supported |
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| 21:55.20 | f8l | pipeline: Which one has licence issues? |
| 21:55.27 | pipeline | f8l: ZFS-for-linux |
| 21:55.32 | Mike632T | what are the licence issues with ext4..? |
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| 21:55.44 | claw | cast i cannot find any package xchat, theres weechat |
| 21:55.58 | cast | ext4 isn't experimental anymore...:P it's a fine enough choice for people running recent kernels |
| 21:56.09 | guest__ | claw apt-cache search xchat |
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| 21:56.21 | guest__ | maybe the name is partial |
| 21:56.45 | f8l | uses ext4 on most of his partitions. |
| 21:57.00 | cast | claw: do an aptitude update, and show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:57.01 | Benkinooby | i'd also opt for ext3 it's well tested and i don't think the fs will make a big difference at soho servers. s i'd go for the best supported and tested one |
| 21:57.18 | guest__ | yeah should be there xchat - IRC client for X similar to AmIRC |
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| 21:58.26 | guest__ | what's wrong with ext2 fs |
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| 21:59.01 | cast | nothing, it is what it is |
| 21:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xchat |
| 21:59.10 | judd | Package xchat on i386 -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-1; sid: 2.8.8-3 |
| 21:59.15 | Benkinooby | guest__, it is good. it's not journilising as ext3 does |
| 21:59.23 | Benkinooby | journalizing |
| 21:59.29 | guest__ | that too |
| 21:59.36 | Mike632T | i suspect that I will use either ext3 or 4 - based upon the responses here ext3 seems the most obvious choice. but how 'safe' is ext3 vs ext4 in the exent of an power failure during a disk write..? |
| 22:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | Mike632T: Pretty sure there's no advantage to ext4, it's mostly about large files. |
| 22:00.51 | guest__ | i use ext2 on my devices for the most part anyway. i think i have one box that has a device with parititions and there are various fs/s there. |
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| 22:02.52 | cast | Mike632T: neither is safe in the event of a power failure during a disk write, so don't do that |
| 22:03.07 | THK | anyone how knowledge of iostat? |
| 22:03.19 | THK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.30 | THK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.01 | Mike632T | i wasn't planning on testing it but accidents happen - unfortunately i don't have a UPS (i'd need quite a large one!) |
| 22:04.03 | cast | thats because the first line from iostat/vmstat/mpstat is an average since boot |
| 22:04.21 | cast | i'd be surprised if this was not mentioned in the manpage |
| 22:04.27 | cast | Mike632T: just keep backups like san people |
| 22:04.30 | cast | sane, too |
| 22:04.39 | cast | hopes san people keep backups too |
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| 22:05.35 | LinuXY | is CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU default =y in the base 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel package? |
| 22:05.43 | cast | and if you're not using RAID i wouldn't be too worried about the difference between ext3 and ext4 reliability ;) |
| 22:06.07 | cast | CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU=y |
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| 22:06.18 | cast | 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 22:07.40 | Mike632T | ahhh yes - that was my next question, i plan on backing up to an external USB drive, data will be mostly static and i'd like to be able to browse the external drive just by mounting it. i'm looking for a 'simple' command line tool and am considering plain old rsync or possibly unison is there anything else I should check out..? |
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| 22:10.28 | naphex | Mike632T: maybe rsnapshot can be interesting. |
| 22:10.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mike632T: rsync, or perhapsrsnapshot if you need something a bit deeper |
| 22:10.48 | cast | rdiff-backup, too |
| 22:12.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: interesting. the part about 'sensible defaults' is particularly appealing |
| 22:14.41 | cast | notes debian's ssh comes with ForwardX11Trusted yes |
| 22:14.45 | cast | turns it off |
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| 22:17.14 | Mike632T | sorry if this is a repost my connection dropped out - i was going to ask about backups, i plan on backing up to an external USB drive, data will be mostly static and i'd like to be able to browse the external drive just by mounting it. i'm looking for a 'simple' command line tool and am considering plain old rsync (or possibly unison) but is there anything else I should check out..? |
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| 22:18.47 | naphex | cast: it seems (from the examples in rdiff-backup's documentation) that you need rdiff-backup to browse the backups instead of simply mounting the backup. Is that correct? |
| 22:20.43 | THK | cast: thank you, i was able to update my script properly now! |
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| 22:26.39 | kevin01123 | How would I install packages with aptitude using wildcards? Would it just be "aptitude install emacs23-*"? |
| 22:26.49 | cast | naphex: no. |
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| 22:27.25 | cast | naphex: you need rdiff-backup to access a previous snapshot of the mirror, but the current snapshot is about what you'd get if you just rsynced |
| 22:27.50 | cast | naphex: there iirc will be an extra directory, containing rdiffs for previous snapshots |
| 22:28.31 | naphex | cast: ok, that matches what I read in the docs. rsnapshot seems clearer/simpler to me from this point of view. |
| 22:28.56 | cast | shrugs |
| 22:29.00 | cast | either way is trivial |
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| 22:29.10 | jhutchins_lt | So squeeze is confirmed frozen on kde 4.4, no chance of 4.5? |
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| 22:33.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
| 22:33.50 | judd | Package plasma-widget-networkmanagement on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1~svn1141976-1; sid: 0.1~svn1175124-1 |
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| 22:39.55 | kevin01123 | So can aptitude not do wildcards then? |
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| 22:40.58 | rww | I think you want sudo aptitude install ~nemacs23-* |
| 22:41.03 | ikanobori | rww: :-( |
| 22:41.10 | rww | various emacs23-* package conflict, though, so good luck with that. |
| 22:41.13 | rww | packages** |
| 22:41.58 | ikanobori | Is start-stop-daemon to preferred way to daemonize something I need to execute? |
| 22:42.15 | dondelelcaro | ikanobori: in a init script, yes. |
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| 22:46.31 | ikanobori | dondelelcaro: Anywhere where I can find out how to use s-s-d in an init script? I know the basics about runlevels and what gets run in init.d, just never wrote one. |
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| 22:51.40 | ikanobori | Bushmills: Thanks. |
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| 23:00.21 | DeathWolf | would anyone have any suggestion to find out what font a term uses?(it's a default, nothing in .Xresources) |
| 23:01.29 | pipeline | DeathWolf: xterm uses fixed fonts by default. It's probably either "fixed" or "8x13" or "10x20". |
| 23:01.34 | pipeline | DeathWolf: xlsfonts | grep -v - |
| 23:01.52 | pipeline | DeathWolf: those are the fonts xterm is likely to use |
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| 23:03.50 | DeathWolf | urxvt in that case pipegeek |
| 23:03.53 | DeathWolf | err pipeline |
| 23:04.23 | DeathWolf | and thanks |
| 23:04.27 | DeathWolf | didn't know of xlsfonts |
| 23:04.38 | cast | ±/window 1 |
| 23:04.40 | cast | eh |
| 23:04.46 | cast | sorry, metakey is being fubar |
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| 23:06.31 | dustball | Is clock resolution affected by Xen? When I 'ping google.com' from the debian prompt, I get times of 4ms, 0ms, 0ms, 4ms, etc. It rounds to nearest 4ms. |
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| 23:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | dustball: clock accuracy is typically very unreliable in VM, it wouldn't surprize me if it affected that. |
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| 23:18.43 | Vasistha | Anyone know how to post an "ask slashdot" question? I know this is OT ... any other ideas of where to ask? |
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| 23:20.32 | Vasistha | n/m, got an answer |
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| 23:21.44 | Sia- | it's a a good reason to move to 64bit version? if you have dual core pentium and 4 GB RAM? |
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| 23:22.33 | DeathWolf | damn nothing urxvt's man pages tells what font it'll use by default... |
| 23:23.30 | miOw | Sia-: yea if you got 4gb of ram it's definitely good idea |
| 23:24.06 | miOw | s/idea/reason |
| 23:24.34 | Sia- | hmm, but native 64bit packages is very rare! |
| 23:24.53 | thewanderer1 | what? rare? |
| 23:24.59 | miOw | no way :> |
| 23:25.14 | thewanderer1 | I was running a pure 64-bit system without IA32_EMULATION back 3 years ago |
| 23:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Seriously, have you ever seen a useful answer to an "Ask Slashdot" question? |
| 23:25.47 | Sia- | thewanderer1, skype. flash for example |
| 23:25.58 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: yeah, my life was a bliss back then :) |
| 23:25.59 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: yes! Not usually the first responses, but I almost always find something useful in there. |
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| 23:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | He's right, the number of packages actually written to use 64b architecture is tiny. Sure, they're compiled for it but they don't actually use it. |
| 23:26.41 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: and I'm not really sure where else to ask: I want to share my code, but my boss is fearful we might infringe some bozo patent |
| 23:26.52 | thewanderer1 | if you mean third-party closed-source software, then yes, it's still mostly for ia32 |
| 23:26.57 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: I've never had enough patience I guess, I give up after the first few hundred. |
| 23:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Slashdot is definitely not the place to ask something like that. Try something like the FSF. |
| 23:27.31 | cast | Sia-: i've been running amd64 for years with no problems... |
| 23:27.40 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: there's definitely a lot of cruft. Ahh, FSF is a great idea, I will go there. |
| 23:28.04 | thewanderer1 | about the only time when amd64 became a rough place for most users was when Adobe broke Flash for amd64, but it's running again |
| 23:28.10 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: If you're using GNU licensed tools and components you should be fine, but ianal - and slashdot is DEFINITELY not a lawyer. |
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| 23:28.16 | cast | Sia-: adobe flash and skype are proprietary applications that have no place in a free OS :), hence no place here |
| 23:28.16 | Sia- | ci can also, but in the desktop, is not so cool with 64bit |
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| 23:28.38 | thewanderer1 | I've never had any problems without Skype and Flash |
| 23:28.42 | Sia- | cast, and let me know alternative for youtube, skype |
| 23:28.43 | jhutchins_lt | cast: Nevertheless, they're tools that people in the real world need to use. |
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| 23:29.13 | cast | jhutchins_lt: you're introducing two logical fallacies in the one sentence, nice work |
| 23:29.16 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: HTML5 is now supported on YouTube in an increasing number of movies, and swfdec supports YouTube rather well, too |
| 23:29.48 | Sia- | comm on, i'm for free OS and one of linux fanaticism but real life is difference . |
| 23:29.49 | cast | HTML5 is supposed for >80% of [new?] videos on youtube :) |
| 23:30.01 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: when it comes to Skype, I use mumble to chat with close friends and have never regretted this choice |
| 23:30.40 | cast | Sia-: great. so i don't live in real life? |
| 23:30.49 | peterS | youtube-dl -t + mplayer are still the best way to use youtube. no causing your browser to crash or go haywire on the RAM, plus you can keep the video if you like it |
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| 23:30.59 | Sia- | but with default installation of debian, lib32 is created, why? |
| 23:31.10 | phik | does skype even release amd64 binary |
| 23:31.14 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
| 23:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | Flash is more than just youtube. There are government and business sites that use it and won't work without it. |
| 23:31.19 | phik | i know they did for ubuntu |
| 23:31.29 | phik | but i dont think when i tried it, it was compatiable |
| 23:31.35 | thewanderer1 | Sia-: because the standard requires it, I think |
| 23:32.04 | Sia- | also, that is not good |
| 23:32.10 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: uh. I'm now happy that I don't have such a government... |
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| 23:32.50 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah, I like youtube-dl + mplayer so much, I wrote a script that sets my params and names the file how I want it, and plays while it's downloading. It's the best |
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| 23:33.09 | peterS | Vasistha: you don't like the names 'youtube-dl -t' picks? |
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| 23:33.21 | thewanderer1 | there are standalone YouTube players, too, just so you know... |
| 23:33.31 | Sia- | ok thnx for brb |
| 23:33.33 | peterS | thewanderer1: yeah, that's what we're talking about |
| 23:33.35 | Sia- | for All |
| 23:33.58 | e7th04sh | hi, how do i determine if my debian knows that my cd-rom drive can write disks? |
| 23:34.17 | e7th04sh | i've put several cd-roms into it and it recognizes them as blank cd-r's which seems odd |
| 23:34.19 | Vasistha | peterS: every once in a while, I've come across a video that doesn't have a title, and the youtube id happened to start with a dash, so I ended up with a file whose name starts with a dash. Also I put a quality identifier in there |
| 23:34.26 | peterS | e7th04sh: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 23:34.35 | e7th04sh | thank you |
| 23:34.46 | peterS | Vasistha: ahh |
| 23:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: What should it recognize them as? |
| 23:35.03 | thewanderer1 | observes as peterS's command breaks the uncertainity principle of software |
| 23:35.32 | peterS | thewanderer1: which uncertainty principle? observing the position or the momentum of your CD-ROM drive? |
| 23:35.33 | Vasistha | peterS: ...although my original reason for doing so was just to automate the process of playing while downloading, without having to go find the file while it's downloading |
| 23:35.34 | e7th04sh | jhutchins_lt, i doubt i would've closes sessions on empty cd's |
| 23:35.47 | cast | in summary, wooo, go amd64 |
| 23:35.51 | thewanderer1 | peterS: no, the "run and see if it works" :P |
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| 23:35.57 | MrStarbuck83 | hi everyone |
| 23:36.18 | e7th04sh | wait a second... CD-R is a readable, non-writeable cd? |
| 23:36.26 | MrStarbuck83 | I have a question about the video kernel parameter. I'd like to use a special frame buffer driver (tridentfb), so I set up grub2 to pass video=tridentfb:800x600 but it won't change anything. When I use modprobe to insert the driver, it works like a charm.... any thoughts on how to properly set this up on boot time? |
| 23:36.27 | e7th04sh | or am i temporarily confused |
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| 23:36.48 | peterS | thewanderer1: wait, what? 'cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info' gives info about the CD-ROM drive. not about the disc. |
| 23:37.00 | peterS | e7th04sh: CD-R means Recordable. write once only. |
| 23:37.08 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: no, cd-r is recordable. |
| 23:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | cd is non-recordable. |
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| 23:37.38 | e7th04sh | awww :D |
| 23:37.56 | peterS | e7th04sh: if you want to know more about the disc, use 'wodim -atip' |
| 23:37.57 | e7th04sh | ok, so the command shows correct capabilities of my hardware |
| 23:38.26 | e7th04sh | lol xD Manufacturer is guessed because of the orange forum embargo. |
| 23:38.26 | e7th04sh | The orange forum likes to get money for recent information. |
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| 23:40.28 | peterS | it occurs to me that 'wodim -atip' looks suspiciously like it's something else spelled backwards. but if you read it backwards it's not really any clearer. (: |
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| 23:41.51 | e7th04sh | hmm |
| 23:41.55 | e7th04sh | Pita Meadow? |
| 23:41.58 | e7th04sh | must be a nice place |
| 23:42.18 | cast | pain in the ass meadow, haha |
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| 23:42.25 | cast | doesn't wonder what happens there |
| 23:42.37 | peterS | I'm just saying - when I see things like 'wodim -atip', my first instinct is to try to read them backwards to see if they make any more sense. I'm not sure of the exact letter combinations that cause this reaction in me, but 'wodim -atip' has them. |
| 23:43.04 | e7th04sh | well, it has something to do with pronounciation for sure |
| 23:43.20 | e7th04sh | like syllables seem to be put backward, since reversed they would sound more natural |
| 23:43.21 | bolt | echo 'hey! ...' | sed 's/[^a-zA-Z0-9 _-]//g' <-- how can i add . to the allowed characters here, getting "hey ..." as the output? adding a dot allows the exclamation mark too... |
| 23:43.22 | e7th04sh | could it be? |
| 23:43.27 | peterS | yeah, I think so |
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| 23:43.52 | thewanderer1 | MrStarbuck83: it would appear that the kernel doesn't have that driver loaded at boot time so it can't set the mode to be supported by a non-existant driver |
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| 23:44.03 | e7th04sh | or perhaps you just tries talking backwards several tiems and have a general understanding of how things sound then |
| 23:44.04 | peterS | bolt: put the . inside th [ ], should work fine |
| 23:44.05 | cast | bolt: well, i'd try \. first |
| 23:44.15 | peterS | bolt: just don't put it after the - because then _-. becomes a range of characters |
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| 23:44.27 | peterS | cast: no, inside [ ] you don't need to escape things like . |
| 23:44.35 | bolt | peterS: ah. so that's why. i had it at the end :) |
| 23:44.36 | e7th04sh | so now my problem is that nautilus does not show me a burning button nor give such option in file menu |
| 23:44.50 | e7th04sh | how do i know if my cd-r is not a closed session one? |
| 23:44.50 | peterS | bolt: yeah, - inside [ ] is special, if it comes _last_ it is no longer special |
| 23:44.52 | cast | ahh |
| 23:44.55 | bolt | peterS: thanks :D |
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| 23:45.33 | jc0694 | does ubuntu come with default ftp/telnet support? |
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| 23:45.46 | thewanderer1 | jc0694: ask #ubuntu :) |
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| 23:46.04 | jc0694 | whoops |
| 23:46.13 | peterS | e7th04sh: try wodim's -msinfo and -toc options. I'm not sure offhand which bit of info you actually need there |
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| 23:46.23 | e7th04sh | maybe he thought debian has a intelligence and he fears direct contact with ubuntu people |
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| 23:46.38 | e7th04sh | peterS i need to know wether this cd-r is still writeable |
| 23:46.41 | thewanderer1 | Debian has an intelligence as in... has become a singularity? |
| 23:46.55 | e7th04sh | to rule out a possibility that nautlius knows its not and thus does not give me a button to do so |
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| 23:47.02 | phik | ....wat |
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| 23:47.05 | benderl83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.06 | e7th04sh | thewanderer1, as in Central Intelligence Agency of Debian |
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| 23:47.24 | e7th04sh | lol |
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| 23:47.27 | e7th04sh | -.- |
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| 23:47.29 | TMM | oww... ffs |
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| 23:47.38 | phik | inb4 ban |
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| 23:47.51 | TMM | why do these buttholes even bother... |
| 23:47.52 | cast | so what's the point of that kind of spam |
| 23:47.54 | ron_o | is that just spam? |
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| 23:48.00 | e7th04sh | seriously is this some stupid social engineering to prepare for massive hacking? |
| 23:48.00 | phik | i would imagine so |
| 23:48.01 | TMM | of course it's just spam |
| 23:48.03 | thewanderer1 | excuse me, but it's already after 10pm :P |
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| 23:48.14 | phik | UTC+what though |
| 23:48.16 | Benkinooby | cheap spam |
| 23:48.17 | ron_o | yah, dumb me. :) of course it is. |
| 23:48.17 | TMM | thanks stew |
| 23:48.42 | peterS | I suspect the point is to cause a flood of questions to staffers and annoy them |
| 23:48.53 | e7th04sh | i suppose nautlius related queastions should better be asked at #gnome? |
| 23:48.54 | stew | best to not pay it the attention it craves, back to debian stuff |
| 23:49.14 | peterS | so yeah, e7th04sh, try wodim -toc |
| 23:49.22 | TMM | e7th04sh, yes, that would be better |
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| 23:50.00 | peterS | (which dumps the disc 'table of contents', which should give you info about sessions that are closed) |
| 23:50.15 | aarcane | how do I enable sasl in silverex xchat ? |
| 23:50.22 | e7th04sh | peterS, seems to give a lot of useless information, mainly that some things are invalid according to it |
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| 23:50.30 | TMM | aarcane, don't worry about it |
| 23:50.30 | thewanderer1 | aarcane: you can safely ignore that message, it was just spam |
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| 23:51.25 | peterS | e7th04sh: at the bottom it dumps the toc ("first: 1 last 1" "track: 1 lba: 0 ( 0) 00:02:00 adr: 1 control: 4 mode: 1" etc.) If it doesn't dump a toc, then there isn't one, and no session has been closed |
| 23:51.50 | TMM | peterS, you can get weird stuff like that with a failed disk too |
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| 23:52.09 | e7th04sh | peterS, thank you - then the cd has not been written to as of yet |
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| 23:59.05 | e7th04sh | anyways i am about to reinstall system to see if this helps a thousand of little annoying bugs i seem to get all the time |
| 23:59.25 | e7th04sh | should i partition the disk, to put root in a different partition than home? |
| 23:59.28 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: Which version? |
| 23:59.33 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: I wouldn't. |
| 23:59.34 | e7th04sh | testing debian |
| 23:59.45 | e7th04sh | why? |
