| 00:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, well, testing is testing, it's got lots of annoying little bugs. If you want "Just Works" run lenny. |
| 00:00.39 | e7th04sh | i think i have more than what typical testing debian should yield |
| 00:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | I find that unless you know in advance how much data you'll have where, partitioning is a bad idea. Make backups of /home seperately instead. |
| 00:00.46 | e7th04sh | in this respect |
| 00:01.01 | e7th04sh | well, backups have their disadvantages too |
| 00:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: Why testing? |
| 00:01.44 | e7th04sh | i follow the general impression that testing is alright for a desktop, a balance between stability and innovation |
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| 00:02.23 | thewanderer1 | well, if you can manage it, then yes |
| 00:02.27 | f0rg0tt3n | testing is fine for a desktop imo, i've ran it for over a year with no issues whatsoever |
| 00:02.57 | e7th04sh | and i suppose the issues here come from my inexperience, and reinstalling might be a solution to them |
| 00:03.01 | f0rg0tt3n | but I use lenny on my servers |
| 00:03.28 | thewanderer1 | ever since sarge, testing has been mostly fine - on sarge, the amd64 unofficial port was what I found the worst... |
| 00:03.33 | phik | yeah i agree ive been running testing on my laptops for a while and never had a "game over" bug |
| 00:03.38 | franki^ | Testing is fine, especially because it's almost stable at the moment :) |
| 00:03.55 | thewanderer1 | yeah, Freeze is Squozen they say |
| 00:04.02 | franki^ | :) |
| 00:04.12 | cast | i like frozen testing, but unfrozen is annoying as things keep changing :< |
| 00:04.33 | thewanderer1 | but in a few months we're all gonna taste what sid tastes like |
| 00:04.36 | franki^ | Yeah, I plan on staying with Squeeze for as long as I possibly can. |
| 00:05.00 | rww | same here ^ |
| 00:05.01 | thewanderer1 | oh, unless you're following Squeeze by release name, which I am not :P |
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| 00:05.14 | franki^ | is |
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| 00:06.18 | e7th04sh | hmm |
| 00:06.26 | e7th04sh | so then should i go for squeeze or for testing, eh? |
| 00:06.50 | franki^ | Squeeze is Testing |
| 00:06.55 | e7th04sh | once the migration happens, things might get pretty unstable on testing, amirite? |
| 00:07.04 | franki^ | But, it'll be Stable quite soon |
| 00:07.29 | e7th04sh | franki i understand that, hence the question |
| 00:07.30 | thewanderer1 | e7th04sh: if you choose to pick Squeeze as the keyword, you'll be on the safe, and the less interesting, side :P |
| 00:07.32 | franki^ | Yeah, personally, I'd follow Squeeze into stable, and wait a while before going on to the next Testing |
| 00:07.47 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I misunderstood, sorry. See my last message :) |
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| 00:08.00 | e7th04sh | np ;] |
| 00:08.29 | e7th04sh | lol, the dark side, the bright side, and the safe, less interesting side |
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| 00:17.55 | spliffi | Iam trying to set a simple iptables rule but it says: "iptables: Invalid argument" |
| 00:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: There are still some system-killer bugs in squeeze, and there are some that have gone away and then come back. |
| 00:18.07 | cast | paste rule |
| 00:18.10 | spliffi | this is the rule: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s 192.168.179.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 19x.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 00:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: It works fine for some people, and they forget that a novice can get stuck with an un-recoverable system if they try it. |
| 00:19.51 | spliffi | I can't see any mistakes, can you ? |
| 00:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: to-source looks suspicious to me. |
| 00:20.21 | e7th04sh | jhutchins, well, i think the experience i get from such problems makes it worthwhile in the end |
| 00:20.34 | e7th04sh | ok, so the backup cd is burning |
| 00:20.48 | spliffi | how do I need to change it? |
| 00:20.49 | e7th04sh | decided to delete all movies and music to save up on cds ;_; |
| 00:21.21 | spliffi | I found this syntax in a tutorial |
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| 00:21.31 | e7th04sh | might have been an old one? |
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| 00:22.33 | omes | spliffi: yes, CIDR is probably the way to go |
| 00:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: This is a pretty good guide: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 00:22.46 | Tramp | spliffi: you cannot SNAT in PREROUTING |
| 00:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: It's not clear what you're trying to do, it looks like general NAT confused with port forwarding. |
| 00:23.37 | thewanderer1 | put that rule in POSTROUTING chain. |
| 00:23.39 | spliffi | actually I just want to NAT -s 192.168.179.0/24 traffic |
| 00:23.52 | Tramp | spliffi: again: you cannot SNAT in PREROUTING |
| 00:24.05 | spliffi | ah I see |
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| 00:25.06 | spliffi | he complains about the -i flag now |
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| 00:25.24 | spliffi | I have 3 ethX |
| 00:25.38 | thewanderer1 | spliffi: oh, sure. why would you think that input interface would be valid in POSTROUTING? :P |
| 00:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: If you're just going to take random potshots at rules you're not going to get reliable results. |
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| 00:26.46 | thewanderer1 | netfilter does not preserve origin interface data at postrouting - if you really need to match by that for policy reasons, use mark... |
| 00:27.37 | spliffi | I see, it's working now...already late :) I will read the suggested tutorial tomorrow |
| 00:27.41 | spliffi | thx 4 your help |
| 00:28.51 | e7th04sh | \ok so what would be the right way to go with my reinstall? get a testing netinst or a stable netinst + migrate to testing? |
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| 00:29.05 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think you were presuming more knowledge of the protocol than the user actually had. |
| 00:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: Well, the testing beta installer was all I could run on this system, but generally the upgrade path has been preferred so far. |
| 00:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: As long as you're testing, test the installer. |
| 00:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | e7th04sh: It's fairly common for it to have trouble with grub, either it doesn't install, doesn't install right, or doesn't detect other bootable systems. |
| 00:31.23 | e7th04sh | sorry, language problem here, i did not understand |
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| 00:32.14 | navatwo | Hello there. So, I'm having issues with wireless internet. Everytime I remove my ethernet cable, the K panel locks up and it will not allow anything to go on down there, nor does it connect to any networks. |
| 00:32.23 | navatwo | Any suggestions? ^ |
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| 00:37.38 | thewanderer1 | navatwo: got anything mounted over NFS? |
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| 00:38.13 | navatwo | NFS? |
| 00:38.52 | navatwo | Since I do not know what NFS is, I'm assuming not. I have nothing mounted over a network if thats what you are implying |
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| 00:41.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, that's what was giving me problems for some time |
| 00:41.08 | navatwo | Nothing is registered upon unplugging that would relate to the panel buggering up.. No messages in /var/log/kern.log or kdm.log |
| 00:41.25 | thewanderer1 | how about xsession errors? |
| 00:41.37 | navatwo | one sec |
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| 00:42.28 | navatwo | thewanderer1: nothing abnormal. |
| 00:42.47 | magyar | hi, trying to run wireshark and getting "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0" |
| 00:43.43 | thewanderer1 | magyar: does it run, after all? |
| 00:44.10 | thewanderer1 | navatwo: so you are using network-manager under KDE, right? what happens if you turn network-manager off? |
| 00:44.12 | magyar | thewanderer1: in kde it does, but there is no interface selection |
| 00:44.30 | thewanderer1 | magyar: how are you running it as root? |
| 00:44.49 | magyar | if I run "sudo wireshark" from konsole i get the above error |
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| 00:45.14 | magyar | thewanderer1: i tried su to root and type wireshark also returns same error |
| 00:45.35 | thewanderer1 | magyar: alright. tried kdesu or kdesudo instead of sudo? they are meant to run X apps, whereas sudo is not exactly |
| 00:47.11 | e7th04sh | i think i will download stable netinst cd rom |
| 00:47.12 | magyar | thewanderer1: if i run "kdesudo wireshark" i get >> No protocol specified kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 00:47.22 | magyar | thewanderer1: from konsole |
| 00:47.28 | thewanderer1 | so kdesu should work... |
| 00:47.33 | e7th04sh | a question tough, should i perhaps download the business card version even tough i have normal cd-roms? |
| 00:47.38 | thewanderer1 | e7th04sh: no |
| 00:47.51 | e7th04sh | what's the disadvantage? |
| 00:47.57 | magyar | thewanderer1: i wish it would |
| 00:48.30 | thewanderer1 | business card version is what you use on those freakin tiny CD's and you have to download parts of the installer during the installation, so if it lacks sth crucial, you're done |
| 00:48.40 | magyar | thewanderer1: oops it does... thank you |
| 00:48.42 | e7th04sh | :o |
| 00:48.56 | e7th04sh | how could it lack anything, it's not random is it? |
| 00:49.13 | magyar | thewanderer1: dumpcap: Can't get list of interfaces: SIOCGIFFLAGS: bonding_masters: No such device |
| 00:49.14 | thewanderer1 | sure, but for instance it could lack the network card drivers, I guess... wink |
| 00:49.21 | e7th04sh | oh crap, true xD |
| 00:49.59 | thewanderer1 | I don't really know the packaging policy for the business-card installer, but it yields no advantage whatsoever over the normal netinst |
| 00:50.01 | magyar | thewanderer1: i have an interface bond0 |
| 00:50.24 | thewanderer1 | magyar: then perhaps capture on bond0 is not possible due to its implementation |
| 00:50.43 | magyar | thewanderer1: got you, thanks |
| 00:50.47 | stew | e7th04sh: the business card version downloads everything that isn't on the businesscard version that isn't on the netinst. so when you for some reason restart it, you download all that stuff again. you might as well just download it once |
| 00:51.08 | stew | "that is on the netinst" |
| 00:51.12 | thewanderer1 | magyar: see this: http://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-bugs/201006/msg00433.html |
| 00:51.35 | magyar | thewanderer1: :) i was looking at that also |
| 00:51.50 | e7th04sh | i have 3 copies of my backup |
| 00:51.55 | e7th04sh | now burning netinst cd |
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| 00:52.19 | e7th04sh | if everything goes fine i will come here to say thank you when testing irc client |
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| 00:52.32 | e7th04sh | btw, which irc client would you use? i like things that are configurable yet lightweight |
| 00:52.41 | tokam | hi, how to change LC_COLLATE for my php on my debian server? |
| 00:52.43 | thewanderer1 | Konversation just suits me, I've always been a KDE user |
| 00:52.49 | e7th04sh | i hate overkill in graphics |
| 00:52.53 | tokam | e7th04sh: pidgin & conspire |
| 00:53.00 | e7th04sh | oh well i think i'll stick to gnome |
| 00:53.20 | e7th04sh | tokam i already use pdigin for im, but i thought it's irc part is not very neat |
| 00:53.22 | thewanderer1 | pidgin is just fine, it supports IRC to the extent that I only switched to Konversation since I went back to KDE |
| 00:53.25 | cast | irssi, or weechat if you're some upstart youngin, seem key choices |
| 00:53.49 | e7th04sh | isn't irssi a text based client? |
| 00:53.56 | cast | yes. |
| 00:54.23 | e7th04sh | it seems inconvenient, especially since i will 99.9% be logged in to X |
| 00:54.24 | rww | irssi ⥠|
| 00:54.39 | thewanderer1 | tokam: http://php.net/manual/en/function.setlocale.php |
| 00:54.54 | tokam | Can not I do this server wide? |
| 00:54.57 | magyar | thewanderer1: since June, no solutions :( |
| 00:55.06 | cast | i'm logged into x most of the time, too. there is good reason irssi is, i wonder, perhaps the most common irc client in this channel |
| 00:55.18 | cast | i could check but people whine. |
| 00:55.20 | thewanderer1 | magyar: look for newer versions of libpcap |
| 00:55.34 | e7th04sh | cast so what would thsi reason be? |
| 00:56.13 | thewanderer1 | tokam: you can and, in fact, you are doing that :) but you could as well set that system-wide, or export LANG when running $YOUR_HTTP_SERVER |
| 00:56.40 | tokam | think it makes sence to use en_US.utf8 ? |
| 00:56.43 | cast | fast [in loading, and in your navigation of the ui], stable, powerful, plenty of features, |
| 00:57.16 | cast | irssi does some neat things that few other programs do, like you can upgrade to the next release without logging off irc :) |
| 00:57.38 | tokam | but maybe the 1st step is to install more locales. I need the de ones. |
| 00:57.39 | tokam | var_dump(iconv("UTF-8","ASCII//TRANSLIT","ä")); |
| 00:57.39 | thewanderer1 | tokam: if you expect your input to be in UTF-8, yes, but UTF-8 collation in PHP should be rather safe for all UTF-8 settings |
| 00:57.40 | cast | one doesn't do that often, but it's pretty cool when you do |
| 00:58.32 | cast | there seems to be a ill conceived notion that console applications are always second rate to X applications, but in reality it is often the converse |
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| 01:00.09 | e7th04sh | thanks for all the help, now i am off for a great journey after which, hopefully, i will once aagain reclaim the kingdom of stable debian desktop |
| 01:00.18 | e7th04sh | farewell! |
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| 01:00.49 | tokam | is it silly to set de_DE.UTF-8 as default for the system? |
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| 01:01.43 | cast | if you're chinese, and know nothing of german, yes, it is quite silly |
| 01:02.15 | tokam | what to set there? |
| 01:02.31 | tokam | my goal is to get more than ? here var_dump(iconv("UTF-8","ASCII//TRANSLIT","ä")); |
| 01:02.37 | claw | tokam that depends on your location |
| 01:02.43 | tokam | germany |
| 01:03.03 | claw | the de_DE.UTF-8 is fine |
| 01:03.06 | claw | *then |
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| 01:04.35 | tokam | but why does my php not work well here? |
| 01:04.46 | tokam | people said it depends on the locales. |
| 01:05.41 | claw | where is the problem? |
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| 01:07.26 | tokam | the problem is that it returns ? but it should return a |
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| 01:10.30 | tokam | setlocale(LC_ALL,"de_DE.UTF-8"); and I get ae |
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| 01:12.44 | Ryphecha | Are there any known gcc floating-point code generation bugs with gcc on i386 testing? |
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| 01:13.01 | Ryphecha | because I'm getting odd results and I don't know if I'm going crazy or what... |
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| 01:22.26 | jmichaelx | i am using the most recent 486 kernel for squeeze, and have so far been unable to get the nouveau driver working for a PCI nvidia mx 400. anyone else having issues with nouveau in squeeze? is this maybe exclusive to the 486 kernel? |
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| 01:31.19 | yagoo | jmichaelx, there's no pci for 486.. |
| 01:31.23 | yagoo | jmichaelx, wrong kernel |
| 01:32.16 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:33.34 | jmichaelx | yagoo: no PCI for 486? wtf are you talking about? |
| 01:34.37 | Ryphecha | Geforce2 MX400? |
| 01:34.49 | yagoo | Ryphecha, on a 486. |
| 01:34.50 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:34.59 | jmichaelx | Ryphecha: i would have to check. but i think so |
| 01:35.21 | jmichaelx | yagoo: 486 kernel != "on a 486" |
| 01:35.25 | yagoo | Ryphecha, it's like a ferrari with a lada engine |
| 01:35.30 | shalok | How do I create a contiguous (not fragmented) 1GB file? |
| 01:35.56 | yagoo | shalok, dd and /dev/zero << google it |
| 01:36.00 | yagoo | shalok, be careful |
| 01:36.30 | Ryphecha | hm |
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| 01:36.39 | yagoo | wants to void being responsible for any misuse of "dd" |
| 01:36.42 | Ryphecha | yagoo: http://pastebin.com/QSPDEQdr |
| 01:36.49 | shalok | yagoo: I did google it. I did not find any evidence to suggest that the resultant file is contiguous. Do you have any proof of this? |
| 01:36.56 | Ryphecha | yagoo: Compile that on i386 gcc with -O2 and tell me if it prints anything. ;) |
| 01:37.07 | Tramp | shalok: you cannot control the disk-layout of a file (that's what you probably mean by fragmentation) |
| 01:37.26 | shalok | Tramp: Ok thanks. |
| 01:37.49 | yagoo | shalok, on the filesystem layout? yeah u can use some defrag tools.. i don't know where u'r heading exactly |
| 01:38.11 | jmichaelx | yagoo: omg! u r using a 386?? lol! even older than my 486?! woa |
| 01:38.25 | yagoo | ingores jmichaelx |
| 01:38.30 | jmichaelx | ty |
| 01:42.07 | jmichaelx | Ryphecha: this card is a geforce4 mx 440. it took a bit of time to fire this AMD K6-2 up.... i have other video cards i could put in, if this one is the problem |
| 01:42.50 | Ryphecha | jmichaelx: Does the K6-2 have the PPro CMOVcc instructions? |
| 01:42.52 | jmichaelx | Ryphecha: the K6-2 is the reason i am trying to use the 486 kernel, btw |
| 01:43.26 | linux_probe | oh my @ k6-2 |
| 01:43.45 | jmichaelx | Ryphecha: i do not believe it does... which is the reason for using 486.... i do not believe a 686 kernel will even work on this machine |
| 01:43.49 | jmichaelx | linux_probe: yea |
| 01:43.54 | Ryphecha | hm |
| 01:44.02 | linux_probe | im not sure i even want to know why |
| 01:45.19 | jmichaelx | linux_probe: this is actually the first PC i ever owned... i have just continued to try to keep it going. i like trying to see what mileage can still be gotten out of old/antiquated hardware |
| 01:45.34 | linux_probe | lol |
| 01:45.50 | linux_probe | i have some old k6's laying around still |
| 01:45.59 | nutron | any way for me to reset the usb storage stuff? seems that my usb drive hung.. somehow |
| 01:46.10 | linux_probe | couple whole machines and 2 or 3 cpu's |
| 01:46.24 | yagoo | nutron, you should grep for any resetes in dmesg -> "dmesg |grep -i reset" |
| 01:46.30 | jmichaelx | yea... they are dogs for sure |
| 01:46.35 | linux_probe | just too slow to be practical |
| 01:46.47 | yagoo | nutron, if u see a reset then it may be ur usb drive hanging... (notable poor electronic) |
| 01:46.58 | linux_probe | i even quit using them as routers >_> |
| 01:47.06 | nutron | yagoo: none :/ .. when I use cfdisk on the drive, the process freezes. I can ssh into the box, it's fully responsive, but the process seems hung. Two of them. |
| 01:47.52 | jmichaelx | linux_probe: i also keep a 333MHz P2 laptop going... it has a fully updated lenny installation, 192MB, and runs circles around the 533MHz K6-2 w/512MB |
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| 01:48.03 | linux_probe | yikes |
| 01:48.05 | e7th04sh | Hi guys. |
| 01:48.34 | e7th04sh | so i just went with expert graphic installer and i am now on the shell of my new linux |
| 01:48.48 | e7th04sh | should i have gnome installed? |
| 01:48.53 | jmichaelx | i was hoping that the 486 kernel might help this K6 perform a little better than it does with a 386 kernel |
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| 01:49.25 | nutron | jmichaelx: That sucks, I have an amd k6-2 433 laptop I believe, I was going to put debian on it. |
| 01:49.29 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Did you choose to install the "Desktop environment" task, or something like that |
| 01:49.33 | franki^ | ? |
| 01:49.46 | e7th04sh | franki it did not ask me of such a thing |
| 01:50.02 | franki^ | There is a step called tasksel, it must've asked you :| |
| 01:50.05 | yagoo | jmichaelx, wrong kernel. |
| 01:50.13 | yagoo | (586 kernel) |
| 01:50.19 | franki^ | e7th04sh: You can run it post=installation by typing "tasksel" :) |
| 01:50.28 | franki^ | s/=/-/ |
| 01:50.39 | jmichaelx | nutron: you shoud be able to. the only issue i am having at the moment is trying to use nouveau with this nvidia card |
| 01:51.02 | e7th04sh | franki^: the only time i was asked any sort of thing like this, i saw a lits of unrequired things that i could enable for installationm |
| 01:51.06 | yagoo | nutron, those problems are the most annoying.. |
| 01:51.13 | jmichaelx | yagoo: debian does not keep 586 kernels in the repos, and i am not planning on compiling one |
| 01:51.36 | e7th04sh | among them i did not see desktop |
| 01:51.36 | stew | e7th04sh: if you did an expert install you likely skipped tasksel. if you want a gnome desktop now you can run "tasksel install desktop" |
| 01:51.49 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Right, and one of those unrequired things was probably a graphical desktop environment |
| 01:51.58 | e7th04sh | stew neat, but i would also like to do a few things that might be better done before |
| 01:51.59 | yagoo | jmichaelx, you obviously don't check to see if any "pci" chipsets are compiled in your 486 kernel/s.. likely not.. |
| 01:52.03 | nutron | ps reports that both cfdisk processes are in uninterruptible sleep. I cannot kill the processes. Any suggestions? |
| 01:52.13 | nutron | I can't reboot the machine due to it being a server. |
| 01:52.14 | e7th04sh | franki^: i doubt, i checked the list twice and noticing nothing worth enabling |
| 01:52.21 | e7th04sh | it's strange |
| 01:52.29 | e7th04sh | i really did not skip any phase of installation |
| 01:52.37 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Well, it's been a while since I last used the installer... *shrug* |
| 01:53.04 | e7th04sh | perhaps the expert installer now means you have to do a lot after the installation, from disk |
| 01:53.21 | e7th04sh | whatever, please help me out how to transform this to squeeze |
| 01:53.28 | jmichaelx | yagoo: it sees the video card just fine.... lspci reports the pci devices accurately. do you think they would keep updated 486 kernels in the repos which do not have support for pci? |
| 01:53.29 | e7th04sh | i think i will want to stick with squeeze after it becomes stable |
| 01:53.29 | stew | e7th04sh: the step would have looked something like this: |
| 01:53.30 | stew | http://www.linuxjournal.com/ufiles/debian_netinstall.png |
| 01:53.42 | e7th04sh | stew how can i see this from text mode? |
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| 01:54.19 | stew | run "tasksel" |
| 01:55.38 | yagoo | jmichaelx, barely |
| 01:56.02 | jmichaelx | yagoo: i really believe you have no clue what you are babbling about |
| 01:56.06 | yagoo | nutron, did u try it on the same machine with a bootable linux? |
| 01:57.17 | e7th04sh | stew is this the way to shift to squeeze from stable? |
| 01:57.27 | e7th04sh | because that's what i want to do before i install anything |
| 01:57.34 | stew | e7th04sh: not at all |
| 01:58.00 | e7th04sh | well then how to proceed with this task first? |
| 01:58.03 | stew | e7th04sh: for that you want to read chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 01:58.22 | e7th04sh | how do i access these release notes and what do i read them with from console |
| 01:58.23 | e7th04sh | ? |
| 01:58.37 | stew | e7th04sh: they are here: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ia64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:58.44 | stew | err, that's ia64 though |
| 01:58.53 | stew | e7th04sh: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:58.55 | e7th04sh | i guess i just subst it for i386 |
| 01:59.00 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 01:59.12 | e7th04sh | now i guess i should read this with lynx right/ |
| 01:59.24 | nutron | yagoo: I don't understand what you're asking :/ |
| 01:59.39 | yagoo | nutron, meant ,/bootable live linux cd/bootable |
| 02:00.07 | yagoo | nutron, i'm guessing usb2.2 is supported as well as legacy |
| 02:00.22 | yagoo | nutron, (ehci and ohci should be loaded) |
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| 02:01.11 | nutron | yagoo: yes, modules are all loaded. This server is pretty new, intel s5520hc mobo with dual 5600 class xeons. |
| 02:01.41 | yagoo | nutron, what type of usb enclosure is it? |
| 02:03.41 | yagoo | nutron, i'm hoping selinux has nothing to do with it.. |
| 02:03.48 | nutron | yagoo: Seagate FreeAgent 2TB |
| 02:04.10 | yagoo | nutron, and this usb enclosure works on other systems? |
| 02:04.12 | nutron | I wouldn't think so. |
| 02:04.36 | nutron | Yep. It did.. I haven't checked since I tried to change its partition table to linux. |
| 02:04.41 | nutron | but that's where cfdisk hung |
| 02:04.53 | yagoo | nutron, does gpart or gparted work with it? |
| 02:05.09 | nutron | writing the partition table to the drive. Not a peep out of the system, dmesg is quiet and ps reports uninterruptible sleep on cfdisk |
| 02:05.16 | nutron | let me try |
| 02:05.50 | nutron | oh is that a graphical interface to fdisk? |
| 02:05.54 | yagoo | nutron, there's no partition table style of the kind-- there's dosmbr (classical4+/extendenpartition for more partitions), and gpt |
| 02:06.15 | yagoo | nutron, gpart is another cli one.. |
| 02:06.23 | nutron | yagoo: you're right, primary partition type 82 |
| 02:06.32 | yagoo | nutron, i think u can use it interactively -- gpart -i |
| 02:07.01 | yagoo | nutron, you using dosmbr or gpt? i'd defintiely use gpt for that size drive |
| 02:07.34 | nutron | why does aptitude require me to install menu{a} pm-utils{a} powermgmt-base{a} radeontool{a} uswsusp{a} for gparted? |
| 02:07.45 | nutron | yagoo: well it's a non-issue until 2.2 tb isn't it? |
| 02:07.47 | yagoo | nutron, 82 is for swap |
| 02:08.07 | nutron | yagoo.. hmm or something .. I thought 83 was or do I h ave them backwards? |
| 02:08.48 | yagoo | nutron, 83 is for linux, 82 is for swap.. but still cfdisk shouldnt freeze |
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| 02:09.15 | nutron | right, had 'em backwards. cfdisk masks that for me nicely ;) |
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| 02:09.40 | nutron | Yeah it's a dos primary partition with type Linux(83). I hit write, and cfdisk locks |
| 02:09.51 | nutron | the drive seems idle |
| 02:09.53 | yagoo | nutron, if u go past 4 partitions with dosmbr.. i wouldn't recommend dosmbr.. |
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| 02:10.04 | yagoo | nutron, dosmbr "styled" partition table. |
| 02:10.10 | nutron | yagoo: agreed, it's a backup device |
| 02:10.25 | yagoo | nutron, ? ... am talking about the partition table.. |
| 02:10.46 | nutron | yagoo: sorry missed the first part. It's a single partition, it's a backup drive |
| 02:10.48 | yagoo | nutron, but nways.. if its 4 partitions it's fine.. i wouldn't use more than 4 partitions on a dosmbr style partition table |
| 02:10.55 | nutron | single partition |
| 02:10.56 | yagoo | lolok |
| 02:11.36 | nutron | could simply be that lenny's being buggy on me again |
| 02:11.41 | yagoo | nutron, gpart works or not? |
| 02:12.03 | nutron | I didn't install it :/ hate the dependencies ... radeontool? :/ |
| 02:12.08 | not_david | what happened to unrar non free? its listed deb packages but, apt complains about "No candidate version found" |
| 02:12.10 | nutron | I'll try sfdisk |
| 02:12.17 | yagoo | nutron ?, just the cli one is fine enough.. |
| 02:12.45 | yagoo | nutron, gpart is commandlined (gpart), gparted requires much more dependencies for the graphics |
| 02:13.21 | yagoo | cli==commandlined |
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| 02:13.36 | nutron | sfdisk dies as well, and so does fdisk... it ends with Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and just hangs there |
| 02:14.00 | nutron | yagoo: ahh, I'll go install it brb |
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| 02:14.33 | yagoo | nutron, looks like expensive hardware.. dunno if this can help troubleshoot http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/s5520hc/sb/CS-030222.htm |
| 02:14.42 | jmichaelx | ok, i got X working on this K6 machine using the nv driver. not sure what the issue is with nouveau... |
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| 02:16.12 | nutron | yagoo: yeah, no one likes debian for official support. I have 12 of these machines, but I just bought the drive, so I don't know if it's lenny's kernel, or the drive. Problem is I'll have to wait until much later to reboot. |
| 02:16.16 | nutron | yagoo: gpart just sits there |
| 02:16.21 | nutron | brb |
| 02:16.28 | alecjw | hi, in testing, why do nether dhcpd nor dhcp3-server seem to have an initscript? |
| 02:18.03 | yagoo | nutron, what u can always do is install another linux as from that intel support page (virtualbox), and see if it works with the virtualmachine.. |
| 02:18.33 | yagoo | nutron, you gave the hd model which is fine.. but the usb enclosure model... maybe it's chipset is esotic |
| 02:18.39 | yagoo | xxxxx |
| 02:19.37 | yagoo | alecjw, there should be guide hints in /usr/share/doc/<package name> or try dpkg -L <package> to see the name of manpages |
| 02:19.47 | yagoo | alecjw, probably u have to copy a template |
| 02:19.58 | yagoo | (/from examples in the usr-sha-redoc folder) |
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| 02:20.53 | nutron | yagoo: hmm i'll do a reboot and further complain tomorrow if that doesn't work. I had a similar drive working with it earlier, but it was the 1tb model which may very well have used a different chipset. |
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| 02:21.22 | yagoo | nutron, what usb enclosure model is it? is it mentioned on the box or lspci says? |
| 02:21.42 | e7th04sh | ok, so if i have mint debian lenny and i want to upgrade to squeeze now, do i need to run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 02:23.58 | alecjw | yagoo, ah, i found the initscript with dpkg -L, thanks :) turns out it was /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server rather than /etc/init.d/dhcpd |
| 02:24.18 | yagoo | ok |
| 02:24.19 | dvs | !lenny->squeeze |
| 02:24.26 | not_david | never mind i got it. |
| 02:24.33 | dvs | ,lenny->squeeze |
| 02:24.42 | dvs | hmmm... must be on vacation |
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| 02:25.48 | e7th04sh | dvs i am reading a 4th section of squeeze release docs |
| 02:26.01 | e7th04sh | (if i know what i'm reading, cause i could be wrong) |
| 02:26.23 | e7th04sh | and it says i need to update lenny to "latest point of release" |
| 02:27.14 | e7th04sh | crapm he left |
| 02:27.36 | e7th04sh | and it's already 3:27 am here |
| 02:27.47 | e7th04sh | guys don't leave me alone :( |
| 02:27.57 | e7th04sh | i will mess something up for sure |
| 02:28.43 | nutron | yagoo: no, lsusb doesn't say much .. lspci wouldn't as it's not a pci device, though I can tell you what kind of root hub it's using.. though.. it's been fine forever. The drive doesn't say much either. :/ I have a feeling some subsystem in the kernel hung... or something anyway. It' splugging along just fine, it just can't seem to access (write) to the usb drive |
| 02:29.13 | not_david | dpkg: ping |
| 02:29.13 | dpkg | Yes, not_david, you are online. |
| 02:29.25 | not_david | !lenny->squeeze |
| 02:29.31 | not_david | odd |
| 02:29.46 | yagoo | nutron, you should be able to see the vendor id device id somewhere... i'm betting with lsub u can... |
| 02:30.01 | nutron | lsusb -v shows .. not much :) |
| 02:30.15 | yagoo | nutron, get the vendorid_deviceid.. |
| 02:30.36 | sweetpi | !info lenny->squeeze |
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| 02:31.02 | e7th04sh | !tell someone lenny->squeeze |
| 02:31.27 | sweetpi | !tell e7th04sh about lenny->squeeze |
| 02:31.45 | sweetpi | there |
| 02:31.56 | e7th04sh | i don't see anything sorry |
| 02:32.19 | sweetpi | odd.. told e7th04sh about lenny->squeeze (In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release not |
| 02:32.19 | sweetpi | es>.) |
| 02:33.06 | e7th04sh | thanks |
| 02:33.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:33.14 | sweetpi | just use /msg dpkg whatever until someone fixes it |
| 02:33.29 | e7th04sh | how do i switch to pm on irssi? |
| 02:37.16 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Alt + left or right arrows, should switch between windows |
| 02:37.44 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Alt + a number should take you to that window |
| 02:38.06 | e7th04sh | franki it switches me between tty's |
| 02:38.07 | franki^ | e7th04sh: If they don't work, try esc followed by an arrow or number |
| 02:38.27 | e7th04sh | this one works, thanks |
| 02:38.46 | franki^ | :) |
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| 02:39.50 | yagoo | nutron, any luck? |
| 02:40.33 | e7th04sh | ok, so now, it says to simply change sources.list and get new kernel |
| 02:41.27 | e7th04sh | but the release notes say i need to have lenny updated to latest realese point or something |
| 02:41.34 | e7th04sh | should i disregard that and proceed with upgrading/ |
| 02:41.35 | e7th04sh | ? |
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| 02:42.09 | enth | Hello, all. Does debian still have support for the PXA270? |
| 02:42.37 | nutron | yagoo: not much from what I reported before: idVendor 0x0bc2 Seagate RSS LLC |
| 02:42.40 | nutron | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.17 | yagoo | nutron, there's firmware update -> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Server+Products&ProductLine=Intel%C2%AE+Server+Boards&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Server+Board+S5520HC&ProdId=3069&LineId=3161&FamilyId=37 |
| 02:43.51 | nutron | yagoo: Bus 008 Device 003: ID 0bc2:3008 Seagate RSS LLC is the short form |
| 02:44.19 | nutron | yagoo: they're all updated :/ |
| 02:44.37 | yagoo | nutron, the bios too? |
| 02:44.49 | nutron | aye, bmc, management engine, fru, and bios |
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| 02:46.17 | nutron | along with the hotswap bays (which aren't related), yeah I watch the updates like a hawk. These systems were super flaky when first released. Had over 6 rma's.. but that's a different story. I've run into issues with lenny's packages on these systems, but not specific to the hardware, just intel having bugs in their firmware |
| 02:46.43 | yagoo | nutron, and i'm guessing u checked if u can update hte firmware on that usb enclosure |
| 02:47.38 | yagoo | nutron, "VID: 0BC2, PID: 3008Seagate FreeAgent DesktopYes Yes2.90 " is "yes" according to this site-> http://www.hdsentinel.com/usbharddisks.php |
| 02:48.44 | yagoo | nutron, be sure to be using =>2.90 of the usb support stuff in linux |
| 02:48.50 | franki^ | e7th04sh: You shouldn't ignore the release notes: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade before performing the dist-upgrade |
| 02:49.18 | e7th04sh | franki^: during the installation i had to pick a kernel |
| 02:50.06 | e7th04sh | i had four options, either *.486 or *.686 and either a shorter version or one that ended with... iirc... *.26.* |
| 02:50.35 | e7th04sh | how do i know which one to choose? |
| 02:50.44 | e7th04sh | if i chose wrong, how to fix it now? |
| 02:51.06 | franki^ | e7th04sh: You can always install the others from the repositories, don't worry about choosing the wrong one |
| 02:51.19 | franki^ | e7th04sh: The "right" one depends on your hardware |
| 02:51.20 | yagoo | nutron, sounds like $$$$$ there so i'd like to know if u get it to work-- there's also seagate's bootable images to test hte drive http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=SeaTools&vgnextoid=720bd20cacdec010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD |
| 02:51.27 | yagoo | good luck :) |
| 02:51.45 | nutron | yagoo: heh, nah, we just saved our budget of the last couple of years :/ |
| 02:51.59 | e7th04sh | franki i guess the shorter one is somewhat a stable kernet, while the *.26.* one is newer one right? |
| 02:52.00 | franki^ | e7th04sh: But, none of this changes the fact that you should have a fully-updated Lenny system before trying to upgrade to Squeeze |
| 02:52.04 | yagoo | e7th04sh, what is your mobo? |
| 02:52.10 | nutron | yagoo: I believe something's hung, so I'm not fully concerned, I will be after a reboot |
| 02:52.13 | nutron | :P |
| 02:52.15 | e7th04sh | crap i don't rememeber yagoo |
| 02:52.22 | yagoo | !mobo |
| 02:52.22 | dpkg | from memory, mobo is short for motherboard |
| 02:52.40 | e7th04sh | i know, but i don't remember |
| 02:52.56 | yagoo | e7th04sh, so burn a copy of ultimatebootcd and let it determine it for you.. then tell me after.. |
| 02:52.58 | e7th04sh | perhaps there is some command that would reveal it? |
| 02:53.04 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I would think that they're all some kind of 2.6.26 just compiled with different options |
| 02:53.04 | yagoo | e7th04sh, i guess so.. |
| 02:53.35 | e7th04sh | franki^: it seems there was 2.6.486 and 2.6.26.486 seperately andf i chose former |
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| 02:53.51 | e7th04sh | or something alon these lines |
| 02:54.02 | yagoo | e7th04sh, maybe dmidecode may say |
| 02:54.07 | franki^ | e7th04sh: To be honest, I don't think it's that important at this stage. You can always change kernels later if you want to |
| 02:54.46 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 02:55.03 | franki^ | And, lshw might have motherboard information, I think |
| 02:55.14 | e7th04sh | so what i should do is aptitude update, full-upgrade and then proceed with migration to squeeze? |
| 02:55.21 | yagoo | e7th04sh, u can use dmidecode |less (q quits) |
| 02:55.54 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I think so, yes (Although I haven't actually read the release notes... :D) |
| 02:56.02 | yagoo | e7th04sh, how old is your machine ? |
| 02:56.08 | e7th04sh | well they are very confusing |
| 02:56.10 | yagoo | e7th04sh, if its recent you don't use 486 |
| 02:56.19 | stew | e7th04sh: which part are you finding confusing? |
| 02:56.33 | e7th04sh | stew i have no idea what does it mean "latest release point" |
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| 02:56.52 | e7th04sh | and i am told to get there before upgrading to squeeze |
| 02:56.59 | e7th04sh | yagoo fairly old |
| 02:57.01 | franki^ | That means "fully up to date" |
| 02:57.06 | e7th04sh | Celeron 2GHz |
| 02:57.14 | stew | e7th04sh: does "cat /etc/debian_version" return 5.0.6? |
| 02:57.15 | franki^ | Aptitude can do it for you :) |
| 02:57.18 | e7th04sh | 256 MB RAM and 80GB SATA drive |
| 02:57.40 | e7th04sh | stew yes it does |
| 02:57.46 | e7th04sh | why did you ask about that? |
| 02:57.49 | stew | e7th04sh: then you are on the latest point release |
| 02:57.55 | franki^ | That's the "point release" |
| 02:58.08 | stew | 5.0.6 is the current point release of debian 5.0 aka lenny |
| 02:58.09 | yagoo | e7th04sh, u can see if there's a good kernel -- "apt-cache search kernel|grep -i celeron " |
| 02:58.50 | e7th04sh | yagoo i got quite an impressive list here :f |
| 02:59.04 | stew | e7th04sh: you'd want a 686 kernel for a celeron |
| 02:59.41 | e7th04sh | when i tried to pick it during installation it returned an error and i had to repeat entire step |
| 02:59.48 | stew | e7th04sh: what error? |
| 02:59.57 | e7th04sh | something about something missing ;] |
| 03:00.12 | e7th04sh | i know that's not very informative |
| 03:00.36 | e7th04sh | sheesh, you wouldn't imagine what i'm doing at the moment... when i realized it i was kinda feeling funny |
| 03:00.48 | e7th04sh | i'm eating honey from a jar :F |
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| 03:01.33 | e7th04sh | so anyways, what i need is aptitude update right? however i opened up aptitude in visual mode |
| 03:01.42 | e7th04sh | and i see that my linux image package is on hold |
| 03:02.01 | Code-E | I just did a minimal install of Debian, dual booting it with Windows. Debian doesn't have the driver for my wireless adapter and I have no access to connect wired. Is there anything I can do to get my wireless card working? |
| 03:03.08 | e7th04sh | i believe it's specifically said that debian netinst is not intended if wireless is the only internet connection avalaible |
| 03:03.12 | e7th04sh | available* |
| 03:03.19 | stew | e7th04sh: it never really hurts to run aptitude update, but I don't know what you are trying to do |
| 03:03.32 | stew | i doubt it says that about netinst |
| 03:03.50 | stew | Code-E: do you know which card you have? or which driver you need? |
| 03:03.51 | e7th04sh | i'll check |
| 03:04.02 | Code-E | I have a realtek RTL8191SE |
| 03:04.20 | stew | dpkg: rtl8192se) is available from http |
| 03:04.20 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 03:04.24 | stew | err |
| 03:04.27 | stew | dpkg: rtl8192se |
| 03:04.27 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8192SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ . See also <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192e>. |
| 03:05.05 | e7th04sh | hmmm well the website says wireless is fine, but i am sure somewhere later on it said it can be risky or something |
| 03:05.53 | Code-E | Well, I downloaded the driver. How can I get it to my linux partition? Lol |
| 03:05.56 | e7th04sh | never mind me, i should stick to my own problems |
| 03:06.03 | stew | Code-E: so you are going to need to get build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r) and all their dependencies onto your machine somehow |
| 03:06.11 | e7th04sh | Code-E: what driver did you download? |
| 03:06.19 | franki^ | !apt-offline |
| 03:06.27 | franki^ | Meh :) |
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| 03:06.40 | e7th04sh | !tell Code-E about apt-offline |
| 03:06.43 | Code-E | rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0017.0507.2010.tar.gz |
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| 03:07.03 | stew | Code-E: "apt-get install --print-uris build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)" would help you get a list of urls of packages you'd need to download in windows |
| 03:07.04 | e7th04sh | dpkg does not know what would this be ;p |
| 03:07.04 | dpkg | e7th04sh: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:07.18 | e7th04sh | dpkg your mo |
| 03:07.18 | dpkg | e7th04sh: are you using Windows? |
| 03:07.22 | e7th04sh | dpkg your mom |
| 03:07.22 | dpkg | e7th04sh: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:07.25 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 03:07.26 | stew | e7th04sh: please stop |
| 03:07.33 | franki^ | There is a package called apt-offline for getting packages and their dependencies on to a machine without Internet access though |
| 03:08.29 | e7th04sh | how does it work? |
| 03:08.33 | franki^ | I'm not sure of the details, but I'm pretty sure you can use it even if you only have a Windows machine with Internet access |
| 03:08.40 | franki^ | I've neverr used, just heard about it |
| 03:08.47 | franki^ | Never used it |
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| 03:09.10 | franki^ | http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:09.21 | franki^ | It recently got to version 1.0 |
| 03:09.59 | e7th04sh | ok, so spkg says i need at least 2.6.32.486 kernel |
| 03:10.02 | e7th04sh | dpkg* |
| 03:10.14 | e7th04sh | before proceeding |
| 03:10.27 | e7th04sh | that's what i do right? get exactly that version of kernel and reboot |
| 03:10.39 | e7th04sh | (or maybe the 686 one) |
| 03:11.22 | franki^ | Yeah |
| 03:11.53 | franki^ | The 686 one should work fine, I guess |
| 03:12.13 | franki^ | It's something to do with HAL/udev transitions |
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| 03:13.55 | stew | e7th04sh: you want a 686 kernel |
| 03:14.20 | kj4 | whats the best way to install sid, and once done, is that install now a 'rolling release' |
| 03:14.42 | stew | kj4: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 03:15.21 | e7th04sh | nice |
| 03:15.41 | kj4 | stew thats not very nice : ) |
| 03:15.43 | stew | kj4: sid is a rolling release by most people's definition, but it seems that we get questions all the time asking us if certain debian releases are rolling releases and find out that many people have differring definitions |
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| 03:15.49 | franki^ | kj4: The answer to the second question is "yes" :) |
| 03:15.50 | yagoo | kj4, sid is not for you. |
| 03:15.51 | e7th04sh | kj4: he's not trying to be mean, he has a point |
| 03:16.19 | yagoo | stew, they always tend to mix sid with testing.. |
| 03:16.29 | stew | yagoo: i don't know what you mean |
| 03:16.34 | kj4 | hmm. i thought sid was testing |
| 03:16.34 | cast | after squeeze is out would testing be a rolling release? |
| 03:16.39 | yagoo | lol |
| 03:16.44 | yagoo | there we go again hehehee |
| 03:16.49 | e7th04sh | nope, sid is the unstable which renders your desktop unworkable |
| 03:16.58 | franki^ | cast: No |
| 03:17.04 | stew | cast: what is a rolling release? |
| 03:17.06 | kj4 | ah. so what i really want is debian testing |
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| 03:17.11 | franki^ | Sid can be perfectly workable |
| 03:17.13 | cast | stew: i don't know :( |
| 03:17.20 | stew | cast: then no, it isn't and yes, it is |
| 03:17.22 | e7th04sh | kj4: that actually depends, because currently squeeze == testing |
| 03:17.34 | e7th04sh | if you choose squeeze, soon you will find yourself on a stable release |
| 03:17.38 | yagoo | kj4, y.. so don't use unstable in your sources.list |
| 03:17.44 | e7th04sh | if you choose testing however, you will soon realize you have a sid |
| 03:17.52 | stew | people come here asking all the time if testing is a rolling release, and by some people's definition it is and by others it isn't |
| 03:17.57 | franki^ | cast: Testing will always become Stable at some point, in my mind that's a release, which stops the rolling. :P |
| 03:17.58 | yagoo | e7th04sh, sid != testing |
| 03:18.10 | stew | e7th04sh: no |
| 03:18.10 | kj4 | i am no closer to understanding this : ) |
| 03:18.15 | e7th04sh | oh crap |
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| 03:18.18 | e7th04sh | then i am wrong right? |
| 03:18.19 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 03:18.21 | yagoo | e7th04sh, testing is for users.. sid is for very advannced users/developers |
| 03:18.35 | cast | wait, who's stable for |
| 03:18.37 | stew | "if you choose testing however, you will soon realize you have a sid" <- this doesn't make sense |
| 03:18.38 | e7th04sh | i know, but once squeeze becomes stable, won;t sid become new testing |
| 03:18.39 | e7th04sh | ? |
| 03:18.41 | yagoo | after packages checked out in sid, they get placed into testing.. |
| 03:18.52 | stew | stable is for end users |
| 03:18.55 | e7th04sh | and unstable get a new codename? |
| 03:18.56 | kj4 | sid is always sid, right? |
| 03:19.02 | yagoo | kj4, y |
| 03:19.05 | stew | e7th04sh: no, unstable is always codenamed sid |
| 03:19.16 | e7th04sh | what will be the next codename for testing then? |
| 03:19.21 | franki^ | Wheezy |
| 03:19.21 | stew | wheezy |
| 03:19.36 | franki^ | But, there will be a flood of packages from Sid into the new Testing |
| 03:19.39 | e7th04sh | every day something new |
| 03:19.56 | e7th04sh | won't wheezy start off as a copy of sid? |
| 03:19.58 | kj4 | sounds like i should install squeeze |
| 03:20.02 | franki^ | So if your sources say "testing" and not "squeeze", you might have some crazy stuff happening :) |
| 03:20.03 | stew | e7th04sh: no, as a copy of squeeze |
| 03:20.38 | e7th04sh | stew but at that moment squeeze will become stable, so if wheezy is a copy of it, it's a stable release too |
| 03:20.49 | yagoo | bb |
| 03:21.06 | kj4 | so once the devs squeeze one out we can get wheezy? |
| 03:21.07 | cast | so anywaym kj4 doesn't want to use sid |
| 03:21.08 | franki^ | e7th04sh: It's not "stable" though, because it will start changing a lot, very soon after the release :) |
| 03:21.22 | stew | e7th04sh: as soon as sqeeze is released as stable, the freeze is lifted and a ton of packages that have been held in unstable by the freeze migrate to wheezy |
| 03:21.32 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Stable means "not changing" in Debian-speak |
| 03:21.32 | e7th04sh | ok i get it now |
| 03:21.50 | e7th04sh | the flow from unbstable to testing has been freezed recently? |
| 03:21.52 | stew | e7th04sh: during after the lenny release, we moved something like 1000 source packages during the first run |
| 03:21.57 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Yes |
| 03:22.00 | stew | e7th04sh: it was frozen in august |
| 03:22.06 | kj4 | ahhh. right now squeeze changes a lot. ahaha. after it's release, only bugfixes and security patches, right? |
| 03:22.42 | e7th04sh | hmmm i think i might prefer to stick with testing/wheezy then |
| 03:22.44 | franki^ | kj4: Well, because of the freeze it isn't changing much now, but after the release it'll only have security updates, not "feature" updates |
| 03:22.55 | stew | kj4: right now squeeze is frozen, it gets changed daily, but only manually, not the normal flow of packages from unstable to testing which usually happens automatically once packages in unstable meet a set of criteria |
| 03:22.56 | kj4 | franki^: i think i get it |
| 03:23.12 | stew | kj4: after squeeze is released it is stable and only gets security fixes |
| 03:23.24 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I recommend going to Squeeze now, and then upgrading to Wheexy a few weeks after Squeeze becomes Stable |
| 03:23.33 | e7th04sh | ok, that's the plan then |
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| 03:23.41 | kj4 | franki^: thanks |
| 03:23.52 | e7th04sh | now i have to learn a bit about aptitude, i've been always using either apt or synaptic |
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| 03:23.57 | franki^ | kj4: Happy to help where I can :) |
| 03:25.35 | stew | unstable tends to break a lot. testing breaks less often but when it does it breaks for longer periods of time. testing can be rough for end-users when big transitions are going on, especially when they realize that huge chunks of things like gnome and kde get broken for weeks |
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| 03:26.01 | enth | Will Debian packages work on Grip |
| 03:26.10 | stew | and testing is not good for users that need timely security patches |
| 03:26.17 | enth | ? |
| 03:26.53 | e7th04sh | sheesh i am browsing through tutorials on aptitude |
| 03:27.16 | e7th04sh | both first and second one are unfinished |
| 03:27.22 | e7th04sh | this is highly annoying |
| 03:27.36 | franki^ | You can install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 03:28.03 | e7th04sh | i think i just ran into exactly that, just onlijne |
| 03:29.54 | enth | huh |
| 03:30.34 | franki^ | enth: Sorry, I have no idea what Grip is. |
| 03:31.14 | enth | No, sorry. I was on the wrong channel. |
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| 03:31.24 | enth | Grip is a lighter version of debian for armel |
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| 03:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README, which should be the, kind of, authorative source |
| 03:32.33 | franki^ | Authoritative sources aren't always the best tutorials though. |
| 03:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... but it's no coincidence reportbug calls it squeeze/sid ... I still think you're supposed to mix those on breakage, depite of anything people might say in here |
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| 03:36.56 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: that's an artifact of the fact that there isn't a good way to say anything different in /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:49.26 | e7th04sh | ok i have completely no idea how to get this 2.6.32 kernel |
| 03:49.37 | e7th04sh | when i browse kernels in aptitude the best i get is 2.6.26 |
| 03:50.01 | stew | e7th04sh: why do you want a 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 03:50.23 | e7th04sh | stew dpkg warns that i need one before upgrading to squeeze |
| 03:50.33 | stew | e7th04sh: you don't want to follow the upgrade instructions from debian? |
| 03:50.40 | e7th04sh | ok wait i get it |
| 03:50.49 | cast | who would i work out what the PV, sitting on /dev/dm-0, is actually sitting on? |
| 03:50.52 | e7th04sh | stew what do you mean, these from 4th chapter of release notes? |
| 03:50.55 | e7th04sh | it seems an overkill |
| 03:51.06 | stew | cast: what do you mean? |
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| 03:51.11 | stew | e7th04sh: ok |
| 03:51.16 | e7th04sh | if something goes wrong i can reinstall the system and follow the instructions again |
| 03:51.30 | cast | well, i'd like to know which mapping in dmsetup table corresponds to dm-0 |
| 03:51.48 | e7th04sh | can i use aptitude for the upgrade anyways? |
| 03:51.56 | stew | e7th04sh: its not recommended |
| 03:52.03 | e7th04sh | why is that? :o |
| 03:52.13 | e7th04sh | i thought it's bad to mix apt-get and aptitude |
| 03:52.24 | e7th04sh | thats why i wanted to avoid using apt-get |
| 03:52.38 | stew | its not bad to mix |
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| 03:52.54 | stew | it was before lenny |
| 03:53.07 | e7th04sh | it said somewhere that aptitude can't keep track of some things that happen when you use apt-get |
| 03:53.12 | e7th04sh | oh, ok |
| 03:53.34 | e7th04sh | ok well then i am gonna try to upgrade stuff now |
| 03:53.34 | stew | other way around, but you should not be performing any of those operations during an upgrade |
| 03:53.52 | stew | and the release notes recommend apt-get over aptitude and give reasons why |
| 03:54.05 | e7th04sh | they recommend a LOT of things ;-) |
| 03:54.16 | e7th04sh | very lengthy |
| 03:54.37 | cast | i worked it out, a hackish way, i did a dmsetup status /dev/dm-0; then did a grep for the second number with dmsetup table |
| 03:54.46 | stew | for a base system, either should work, there shouldn't be anything complicated going on, but, if you want a procedure more guaranteed to work, follow the release notes |
| 03:55.06 | cast | then did a ls -l /dev/sd* and looked at the major and minor numbers...there wouldn't be a tool that already exists that draws a nice ascii picture would there? :) |
| 03:55.29 | e7th04sh | i think i'm better off just trying to do it the fast way |
| 03:55.42 | e7th04sh | ok, see you after the upgrade |
| 03:56.18 | stew | cast: i'd probably poke around /sys to see if the information you want is there |
| 03:56.54 | stew | cast: ls /sys/block/dm-0/slaves ? |
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| 04:02.36 | e7th04sh | ok, so i changed the sources.list |
| 04:02.56 | e7th04sh | now i opened up aptitude and i see quite a few packages are on hold or automatically on hold |
| 04:02.59 | e7th04sh | is this normal? |
| 04:03.04 | cast | stew: hmm, thats handy :) |
| 04:03.56 | cell2 | does anyone know of a bittorrent client which will scan an existing set of files to see if you've already downloaded some files but they have different names? |
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| 04:04.03 | cast | stew: though its a dmcrypt mapping, i'm trying to work out if there's one place that will tell me what it's mapping from, and that it is a mapping, slaves/ certainly tells me the underlying device but doesn't appear to indicate the encryption part |
| 04:04.12 | stew | e7th04sh: no, and i don't know what "automatically on hold" means |
| 04:04.45 | stew | cast: dunno, sorry |
| 04:05.02 | e7th04sh | stew i have a foreign locale |
| 04:05.15 | e7th04sh | i don't know the proper term in english |
| 04:05.17 | Voldenet | Simple question, since it's hard for me to decide, which one is better: Postfix/Exim? |
| 04:05.41 | stew | Voldenet: they are both excellent. if you are more comfortable with one or the other, go with that |
| 04:06.15 | stew | e7th04sh: i'd guess you mean "/msg dpkg kept back" in which case it is normal |
| 04:06.34 | Voldenet | I know they are both excellent, i wouldn't ask if they weren't. |
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| 04:07.52 | cast | is there a better way to work out which of my /dev/sd* devices corresponds with, say, 8:2, than with an ls -l /dev/sd*? |
| 04:08.35 | stew | cast: you can ask hal, but I don't know if you want to rely on hal being around |
| 04:08.51 | cast | hal isn't around :( |
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| 04:13.17 | stew | cast: /sys/dev/block/8:2/uevent ? |
| 04:14.11 | Voldenet | its /sys/block |
| 04:14.31 | stew | Voldenet: where? |
| 04:14.44 | Voldenet | hm |
| 04:14.46 | stew | Voldenet: /sys/dev/block/8:2/uevent seems to have the info he's looking for |
| 04:15.07 | Voldenet | i got no /sys/dev... |
| 04:15.16 | Voldenet | I assume it's not built-in. |
| 04:16.05 | cast | stew: awesome, thanks :) |
| 04:16.47 | stew | hmm, yeah, i don't have it on older kernels either |
| 04:21.46 | Voldenet | Is there binary ver of newest kernel for debian for users not using sid? |
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| 04:29.20 | stew | Voldenet: i'm not sure I understand what you are after exactly |
| 04:29.51 | Voldenet | Binaries of 2.6.36 |
| 04:32.04 | Voldenet | Hm, 2.6.32 is avail in squeeze, so 2.6.36 is not gonna happen on lenny. |
| 04:33.27 | stew | Voldenet: no, there is a 2.6.36 in experimental, but its going to have dependencies on stuff not in lenny |
| 04:33.28 | e7th04sh | ok i screwed up |
| 04:33.48 | e7th04sh | instead of installing the 32 kernel, i upgraded everything AND installed the kernel |
| 04:34.06 | e7th04sh | i am now at debconf prompt |
| 04:34.12 | e7th04sh | can i still rever this |
| 04:34.13 | e7th04sh | ? |
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| 04:34.27 | Voldenet | nope |
| 04:34.29 | stew | rever? |
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| 04:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, maybe, but I find it also fitting.. if you're in testing, you should be able to get the fixes out of sid... either by mixing or by backporting... one'd suppose you know what works there.... well, just my opinion |
| 04:34.32 | stew | revert? |
| 04:34.34 | e7th04sh | yes |
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| 04:34.52 | nsgn | i'm such a debian noob. from a command line in debian how can i identify the device in /dev that represents my CDrom drive? |
| 04:34.59 | stew | e7th04sh: not practically |
| 04:35.02 | Voldenet | /dev/cdrom |
| 04:35.10 | e7th04sh | ok, and how much did i screw up? |
| 04:35.24 | nsgn | Voldenet, and if i have multiple drives? |
| 04:35.33 | nsgn | they just line up? |
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| 04:36.46 | Voldenet | Hm, i believe that was cdrom0,cdrom1,etc. |
| 04:37.03 | franki^ | e7th04sh: When you say "upgraded everything and installed the kernel", what do you mean? |
| 04:37.31 | nsgn | that's refreshingly easier than some distros. thanks |
| 04:37.52 | stew | hmm, hal really needs easier ways of extracting this type of information |
| 04:38.01 | e7th04sh | i mean i opened aptitude visual, found the correct linux-image, added it to be installed, used U to have everything upgraded, removed the incorrect linux-image (486) |
| 04:38.12 | e7th04sh | resolved one conflict (libept0 had to be removed) |
| 04:38.26 | e7th04sh | and according to an advice from aptitude got also rid of the former kernel |
| 04:38.53 | e7th04sh | then i just twice used 'g` |
| 04:39.20 | franki^ | Okay, that doesn't sound terrible, I don't think. |
| 04:39.33 | franki^ | Now you need to restart, and boot into the new kernel |
| 04:39.49 | franki^ | Then perform the "real" upgrade |
| 04:40.18 | e7th04sh | ok, well i haven't finished the installation yet because i had this debconf prompt about dash |
| 04:40.37 | e7th04sh | it asks whether dash should be the dafault |
| 04:40.43 | e7th04sh | should it? ;p |
| 04:40.48 | franki^ | Okay, I think that the important thing is that you can't install the new udev with an older kernel |
| 04:41.02 | franki^ | What's the default? (I think it's yes, and I think you should choose it) |
| 04:41.24 | e7th04sh | yes is the default, ok |
| 04:41.58 | not_david | what command would i use to get the device info on a joystick thats connected to a gameport? lshal? |
| 04:42.57 | e7th04sh | now the grub is upgraded to grub 2 and this is really awkward |
| 04:43.31 | e7th04sh | i accepted every default, but now it shows me a blank line and claims this is a command from menu.lst |
| 04:43.38 | Rusty1 | not_david: hwinfo, perhaps |
| 04:44.03 | not_david | Rusty1: ill give it a go |
| 04:44.52 | e7th04sh | "The following linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst... |
| 04:45.22 | e7th04sh | ...Please verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary." |
| 04:45.25 | e7th04sh | a blank line follows |
| 04:45.33 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Okay, stay calm. :) |
| 04:45.45 | e7th04sh | i'm calm, what's the worst that could happen :> |
| 04:45.49 | franki^ | I'm not really sure what to do though, let's check Google :D |
| 04:46.09 | franki^ | The worst that could happen is that your machine won't boot and you'll need to fix grub using a liveCD |
| 04:46.27 | e7th04sh | the worst that could happen is that i will go to sleep and reinstall from scratch tomorrow ;] |
| 04:46.37 | franki^ | Okay :) |
| 04:46.41 | e7th04sh | sheesh, almost 5 am here ;p |
| 04:46.46 | franki^ | Well, in that case, hit enter |
| 04:46.47 | e7th04sh | but i'm not giving up yet |
| 04:46.51 | e7th04sh | lol |
| 04:46.51 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 04:46.56 | franki^ | ;) |
| 04:46.56 | e7th04sh | that might be a viable option, hmm |
| 04:47.02 | franki^ | Are you in the UK? |
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| 04:47.33 | e7th04sh | nope, Poland |
| 04:47.41 | e7th04sh | i meant 6am |
| 04:47.45 | e7th04sh | omfg O_O |
| 04:47.51 | franki^ | Heh :) |
| 04:48.18 | e7th04sh | i have an exam from mathematical analysis on monday -.- |
| 04:48.33 | e7th04sh | they say a student will find any excuse to not study |
| 04:48.39 | e7th04sh | mine's - i'm reinstalling the system |
| 04:49.00 | franki^ | I was like that when I was a student; I regret it now though. :P |
| 04:49.06 | e7th04sh | i already regret it |
| 04:49.08 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 04:49.21 | franki^ | So let's hurry up and get this system upgraded! |
| 04:49.25 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 04:49.28 | franki^ | What's happening now? |
| 04:49.45 | e7th04sh | just debconf after debconf |
| 04:49.50 | e7th04sh | mainly they make me restart cron |
| 04:50.28 | franki^ | :) |
| 04:50.35 | e7th04sh | "migrate legacy-boot seq. to dependency boot seq. ?" |
| 04:50.41 | e7th04sh | default is yes |
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| 04:51.12 | franki^ | Yeah, I imagine that unless you have funny Grub settings it should be fine |
| 04:51.30 | e7th04sh | settings should be default, tough there is a chain-something with grub 2 now |
| 04:51.36 | gunther44 | hey guys, i'm thinking of putting together a small livecd distro. what would be best to start with, start with knoppix and strip out all the gunk, or something like dsl? |
| 04:51.50 | stew | gunther44: why not start with debian? |
| 04:52.04 | e7th04sh | i get a lhmmmm |
| 04:52.06 | nsgn | any advice on a startup that freezes at "loading, please wait"? |
| 04:52.13 | franki^ | gunther44: What stew said. Also http://grml.org/ might interest you |
| 04:52.18 | gunther44 | stew: does debian have a livecd? |
| 04:52.22 | stew | gunther44: yes |
| 04:52.28 | gunther44 | i. did not know that! |
| 04:52.32 | gunther44 | that would make most sense ;) |
| 04:52.39 | e7th04sh | now it screwed up this irssi |
| 04:52.48 | e7th04sh | bbs |
| 04:53.02 | stew | judd: info live-build --release squeeze |
| 04:53.04 | judd | Package live-build (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian Live - System Build Scripts. Version: 2.0.5-1; Size: 1164.0k; Installed: 4448k; Homepage: http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/ |
| 04:53.17 | gunther44 | thanks guys, time to set up the vm :) |
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| 04:53.44 | e7th04sh | i/quit |
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| 04:54.03 | franki^ | e7th04sh: What's up? |
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| 04:55.18 | gunther44 | any recent articles on how to remaster a debian livecd? |
| 04:55.33 | cast | debian-live has doco and makes it easy |
| 04:55.40 | franki^ | !live |
| 04:55.40 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha2/ |
| 04:59.06 | gunther44 | 404 on that last link |
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| 05:00.14 | stew | dpkg: live =~ s,squeeze_live_alpha2,squeeze_live_beta1, |
| 05:00.14 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'squeeze_live_alpha2' |
| 05:00.44 | stew | (fixed in /msg) |
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| 05:01.03 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 05:01.05 | e7th04sh | the boot worked |
| 05:01.13 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Yay, :) |
| 05:01.15 | e7th04sh | but i noticed an error during init |
| 05:01.26 | e7th04sh | about some driver, psckr or something |
| 05:01.29 | e7th04sh | :) |
| 05:01.31 | e7th04sh | yay indeed |
| 05:01.36 | franki^ | It might be nothing |
| 05:02.03 | franki^ | But, pcspkr is probably what it was |
| 05:02.35 | e7th04sh | it makes sense, pc speaker perhaps, right? |
| 05:02.37 | stew | description: PC Speaker beeper driver |
| 05:03.01 | e7th04sh | nothing of importance anyways |
| 05:03.09 | franki^ | Yeah, probably not the most crucial part of your system, but you can think about that later. |
| 05:03.10 | e7th04sh | it's a rather annoying device |
| 05:03.17 | franki^ | Indeed :) |
| 05:03.29 | e7th04sh | well if this renders it useless, i think i't VERY low on my priority list :) |
| 05:04.04 | franki^ | Well, your upgrade should be a walk in the park now, just get all of your updates installed :) |
| 05:04.09 | e7th04sh | apt-get dist-upgrade now? |
| 05:04.34 | franki^ | Yeah, I suppose, what do the release notes say? :D |
| 05:04.45 | e7th04sh | i don't know, but that's what dpkg says |
| 05:04.47 | e7th04sh | ;p |
| 05:04.51 | franki^ | should be careful, giving ouy advice when he doesn't really know what he's doing |
| 05:04.57 | franki^ | s/ouy/out/ |
| 05:05.09 | e7th04sh | lol ^^ |
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| 05:06.19 | franki^ | e7th04sh: As long as your sources.lst stuff is all sorted, I don't think you can go wrong |
| 05:06.48 | e7th04sh | funny |
| 05:07.01 | e7th04sh | after the first update that included the linux-image....32 |
| 05:07.07 | e7th04sh | i had 4 more updates to do |
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| 05:07.23 | e7th04sh | dist-upgrade did exactly that - updated the 4 packages |
| 05:07.50 | e7th04sh | i wonder what's the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade, but perhaps it woudl be apperent if i did according to what dppkg told me |
| 05:08.09 | franki^ | dist-upgrade will update libraries, or something.. |
| 05:08.14 | franki^ | upgrade is more conservative |
| 05:08.16 | e7th04sh | oh well, it;'s nice to have a system that boots so fast once again |
| 05:08.23 | franki^ | !dist-upgrade |
| 05:08.23 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
| 05:08.32 | stew | e7th04sh: apt-get upgrade won't remove programs or install new ones. dist-upgrade will |
| 05:08.47 | e7th04sh | so that's probably why i had to get rid of libept0 |
| 05:08.52 | e7th04sh | manually i mean |
| 05:08.54 | franki^ | stew knows much more than me, listen to him :) |
| 05:09.07 | stew | you were using aptitude, which instead has safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 05:09.20 | gunther44 | thanks guys, will go read |
| 05:09.25 | stew | safe-upgrade is willing to install new packages and remove unused automatically installed packages |
| 05:09.35 | e7th04sh | but generally, despite i did not as i was told, it seems everything is ok now, am i right? |
| 05:09.54 | franki^ | e7th04sh: If it boots, it's okay! :D |
| 05:09.58 | e7th04sh | lool |
| 05:10.33 | e7th04sh | a few things are still ahead |
| 05:10.55 | e7th04sh | i remember there was some hassle last time to get proper drivers for my Radeon |
| 05:11.04 | e7th04sh | and to get flash working ok |
| 05:11.35 | franki^ | Yeah, those things can sometimes be difficult |
| 05:11.50 | franki^ | I find Gnash quite usable these days though. |
| 05:11.51 | e7th04sh | thanks for all the help |
| 05:12.05 | e7th04sh | you're serious? |
| 05:12.31 | franki^ | Yeah, it used to be completely unusuable, but it got much better around the time that Adobe dropped support for 64bit Linux |
| 05:12.38 | franki^ | Which is when I switched to it. |
| 05:12.42 | e7th04sh | whatever i had last, it was way faster than gnash, but still i preferred to have a flashblock on in firefox |
| 05:13.08 | e7th04sh | i'll give it a try tough |
| 05:13.10 | franki^ | It does Youtube, and a few Flash games that I confess I play. :) |
| 05:13.26 | franki^ | I'm sure there are still a lot of sites that don't work with it, but I avoid Flash when I can anyway |
| 05:13.31 | e7th04sh | i don't like flash anyways, but these days you have to use a lot of things you don't like |
| 05:13.36 | e7th04sh | ha |
| 05:13.38 | e7th04sh | high five |
| 05:13.51 | franki^ | o/ |
| 05:13.54 | e7th04sh | \o |
| 05:14.02 | franki^ | :) |
| 05:14.15 | franki^ | Anyway, go to bed or something. You've got an exam on Monday! |
| 05:14.26 | e7th04sh | yeah, i've got a lot to learn |
| 05:14.29 | e7th04sh | and only two days left |
| 05:14.35 | e7th04sh | but that's not the worst paert |
| 05:14.48 | e7th04sh | on Thursday i have way worse exam from physics |
| 05:15.03 | e7th04sh | thanks again everyone :> |
| 05:15.09 | e7th04sh | g'night |
| 05:15.13 | franki^ | Night |
| 05:15.41 | Voldenet | phy what? :D |
| 05:15.57 | franki^ | Fizzicks |
| 05:16.19 | Voldenet | Meh, Calculus > Everything. |
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| 05:20.02 | Voldenet | are you really PhD? |
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| 06:20.46 | davekong | Is there a way to easily reinstall all your packages from your package cache? |
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| 06:21.06 | somiaj | why would you want to do that? |
| 06:21.21 | davekong | because I wrote over some of the files of packages |
| 06:21.31 | somiaj | and you don't know what ones? |
| 06:21.39 | Voldenet | dpkg-reconfigure --all |
| 06:21.41 | Voldenet | like that? |
| 06:21.58 | davekong | somiaj: I could figure it out but would take a while |
| 06:22.01 | somiaj | Voldenet: he'll want to reextract them frmo teh debs |
| 06:22.29 | Voldenet | hm... |
| 06:22.35 | somiaj | davekong: if you got most your packages from downloads they are stored in /var/cache/atp/archives |
| 06:23.37 | Voldenet | dpkg --get-selections | grep ' install' > packages |
| 06:23.37 | somiaj | davekong: you can also use aptitude reinstall |
| 06:23.38 | dpkg | Voldenet: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:24.00 | Voldenet | something like that should display all packages |
| 06:24.21 | somiaj | davekong: do you know what files you overwrote? |
| 06:24.35 | Voldenet | apt-get -y install --reinstall $(cat packages) |
| 06:24.40 | Voldenet | that should do the trick |
| 06:24.43 | Voldenet | if you want |
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| 06:27.17 | davekong | Voldenet: dpkg --get-selections is returning nothing |
| 06:27.35 | mactimes | Hi. I'm trying to setup subversion on my Debian box to use it with Dreamweaver and I'm unable to make it work. Could someone guide me through that? |
| 06:27.43 | Voldenet | davekong: ? |
| 06:27.49 | Voldenet | Are you sure you're using debian? |
| 06:28.02 | cast | people are making new deployments of subversion?! |
| 06:28.15 | somiaj | davekong: dpkg -l give you anything? |
| 06:28.17 | davekong | Voldenet: sorry yea the returns stuff just the grep syntax was off |
| 06:28.32 | Voldenet | dpkg --get-selections | grep 'install' | awk '{print $1}' is better |
| 06:28.32 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Voldenet |
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| 06:28.49 | somiaj | Voldenet: problem there is if there were any packages on hold, they wouldn't show up in --get-selections |
| 06:28.57 | somiaj | Voldenet: well if you just grep install, (: |
| 06:28.57 | Voldenet | True. |
| 06:29.13 | Voldenet | Oh. |
| 06:29.18 | Voldenet | dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' is better |
| 06:29.18 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Voldenet |
| 06:29.20 | Voldenet | fix'd |
| 06:29.21 | Voldenet | ;) |
| 06:29.45 | mactimes | cast Nah, it's Dreamweaver that only works with Subversion. It stinks, I know, but it's the only option available... |
| 06:30.31 | cast | mactimes: aptitude install subversion; svnadmin create $HOME/repo && svn co file://$HOME/repo wp |
| 06:31.14 | davekong | Voldenet: ahh gettings complains it looks like it is trying to install stuff I had from stable but I updraed to testing |
| 06:31.20 | davekong | Reinstallation of gcc-4.2-base is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 06:32.05 | Voldenet | sorry to hear that |
| 06:33.02 | somiaj | davekong: did you upgrade to etsting or just install a 'few' things from testing? |
| 06:33.34 | davekong | somiaj: I enabled testing then did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 06:34.04 | mactimes | cast I'm trying to setup users and groups too. I tried what you gave me and seems to work. I'll try the rest now. Thank you. =) |
| 06:36.20 | somiaj | davekong: dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | awk '{print $2;}' will list every package you have in the installed and configured case (look at how dpkg -l is telling you about your installed packages) |
| 06:37.12 | somiaj | davekong: but if you have a way to track down which packages got corrupted, that may be the better approach, you can always use dpkg -S to tell you which package a file came from |
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| 06:37.35 | davekong | alright will try to figure it out thanks |
| 06:37.43 | cesurasean | Anyone else have some programming running that was name dos-google's ip? |
| 06:37.55 | cesurasean | seems a hacker came in, and also created a psadmin |
| 06:38.12 | cesurasean | I changed my root password, and i used a rootkit scanner, what else is needed to make sure they are off my system for good? |
| 06:43.17 | somiaj | cesurasean: unless you can verify the integurity of any running binary they could have put backdoors anywhere, but most rootkit scanners will see the common ones. Only way to be certain is reinstall. But running rootkit scanners and cleaners can fix it if the person just used common tools |
| 06:43.23 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Once you're hacked you either go back to a backup or re-install. |
| 06:44.00 | karlpinc | s/ha/cra/ |
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| 06:46.17 | cesurasean | I looked, and only 3 directories had been edited recently |
| 06:46.33 | cesurasean | and, when i looked inside tmp, there was a file, which was putting all the load onto the server |
| 06:46.43 | cesurasean | the file seemed to be encryped also, couldnt read anything |
| 06:46.53 | cesurasean | and, i found that psadmin login |
| 06:47.03 | cesurasean | that seems to be all they did |
| 06:47.37 | somiaj | cesurasean: you can never know for sure if they didn't leave something hiding elsewhere and just make it look like that is all they did is the issue, but its your call |
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| 06:48.00 | cesurasean | somiaj, can they 'edit' directories 'edit' dates? |
| 06:48.06 | cesurasean | last modified? |
| 06:48.23 | somiaj | cesurasean: sure, that is just a piece of data stored somewhere |
| 06:48.53 | cesurasean | if they were SOOO good, why did i notice their silly mistakes? |
| 06:49.02 | cesurasean | seems they just wanted to do a DOS against google |
| 06:49.04 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 06:49.37 | somiaj | cesurasean: and your most likely correct, just saying the only way to give you 100% certanty is to reinstall//goto a safe backup |
| 06:50.08 | cesurasean | i understand. |
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| 06:50.21 | cesurasean | my load is down, so yeah |
| 06:50.26 | cesurasean | whatever they were doing has stopped |
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| 06:50.58 | cesurasean | <pimp smacks whoever done this> |
| 06:51.17 | cesurasean | thanks for the advice, guys |
| 06:51.18 | cesurasean | later |
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| 07:06.03 | cast | mactimes: if you want to serve things over http you'll be looking at using svnserve |
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| 07:08.37 | mactimes | cast Well, Dreamweaver supports SVN protocol. But somehow, files in the repository are not being listed by the GUI. I can checkout files locally though. |
| 07:08.53 | WormFood | can aptitude install a .deb page? I'm guessing it can't since I don't see anything in the man page about it. (it appears to only download a .deb file) |
| 07:09.57 | WormFood | I have a .deb file that depends on other packages. I'd like those to be automatically installed...is that possible? |
| 07:11.07 | cast | WormFood: where did you find this deb |
| 07:11.13 | WormFood | I'm guessing aptitude can install those for me... |
| 07:11.22 | WormFood | cast, on the Internet ;) |
| 07:12.23 | WormFood | yeah...aptitude safe-upgrade is automagically installing the required packages |
| 07:12.57 | WormFood | I thought at first the .deb didn't install because of it's dependancies |
| 07:13.17 | cast | WormFood: then we can't provide advice on installing it. |
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| 07:16.32 | WormFood | cast, this is not something specific to the .deb file, this is due to my ignorance of aptitude and dpkg...but I got it all figured out now (and yes, I did try reading the docs first before saying anything here) ;) |
| 07:17.03 | cast | there's not much reason for people to be dealing with .debs, unless they're making them |
| 07:18.26 | erez | hi, I keep getting errors about http://http.us.debian.org/ when trying to update |
| 07:18.50 | erez | I tried switching to a different server in the repositories, but to no avail |
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| 07:19.45 | Bushmills | all server give you errors? |
| 07:20.18 | WormFood | cast, why? isn't a .deb file what aptitude downloads and hands off to dpkg to install? Or do you mean that any deb files used should be part of a repo? |
| 07:20.28 | Bushmills | in that case, the problem is maybe on your side, not on server side |
| 07:21.11 | cast | WormFood: precisely |
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| 07:23.02 | erez | Bushmills: not exactly, in Synaptic, Settings> Repositories the "Download From:" is http://debian.co.il/debian |
| 07:23.35 | erez | however, when I attempt update, the errors are still from http://http.us.debian.org |
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| 07:25.01 | erez | wait, I found it |
| 07:25.29 | erez | It was specified as a third party repo |
| 07:25.58 | Bushmills | and as such, it gives you "errors" |
| 07:26.28 | erez | But that was the case since I got this machine |
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| 07:26.41 | Bushmills | but switching servers is "to no avail" |
| 07:26.44 | Bushmills | hm. |
| 07:26.50 | Bushmills | i conclude: there is a problem |
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| 07:27.10 | erez | right :) |
| 07:27.20 | erez | Squeeze is testing and sid is unstable? |
| 07:27.42 | Bushmills | to fix that: a: determine cause of problem. b: take appropriate steps to remedy the situation. c: test |
| 07:28.27 | WormFood | yes erez |
| 07:28.31 | Bushmills | you may repeat this, if attempted solution is still to no avail |
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| 07:28.50 | erez | WormFood: Then perhaps I don't need the links to sid |
| 07:29.27 | erez | I wonder why the guy that configured this computer added them |
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| 07:31.12 | Bushmills | there's a solution to that too: if you wonder enough about that, you may have the option to ask him. |
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| 07:31.24 | gossamer | hello all |
| 07:31.36 | gossamer | figured, being a debian user that I am, would check out an irc chat for... debian users |
| 07:33.18 | gossamer | hm, for a chatroom with 761 users, you guys sure aren't a talkative bunch. |
| 07:33.35 | Bushmills | this is not really a chat. this is mostly ubuntu users trying to get answers for their problem from debian users, and debian users, trying to figure out whether those who ask may be running ubuntu. |
| 07:34.03 | cast | haha. |
| 07:34.17 | gossamer | lol as such, I expected that |
| 07:34.43 | gossamer | I figured you old debian guys would be standing, preaching from the mount to the ubuntu youthlings |
| 07:34.45 | cast | gossamer: debian-offtopic is for general chatting. though thats quiet too...maybe debian users just have better things to do |
| 07:34.52 | gossamer | ha |
| 07:34.56 | gossamer | oh god, alright guys |
| 07:35.12 | gossamer | I'll suggest this chatroom for you guys, you've at least been nice |
| 07:35.41 | erez | Bushmills: embittered much? |
| 07:35.51 | gossamer | embuntu'd |
| 07:35.55 | Devastator | it's easier to make fun of gentoo guys :D |
| 07:36.42 | rww | Bushmills: and a lot of #ubuntu is backtrack/mint users... ;( |
| 07:36.48 | gossamer | I'd figure a bit more that they'd be more liable to troll arch users |
| 07:37.04 | Devastator | lol |
| 07:37.37 | gossamer | who can configure blindly and pointlessly for the wasted two hours that is their installation |
| 07:38.28 | erez | gossamer: speaking of which, is there a way to use those Ubuntu Netbook interfaces on Debian? |
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| 07:39.09 | gossamer | I don't know but at the same time I don't exactly like the netbook ubuntu spin |
| 07:39.21 | gossamer | I tried it for a bit but it made my netbook feel a bit dumbed down |
| 07:39.30 | erez | I know they don't run on debian, cause Canonical is a lock-on-no-upstream evil, but those look nice |
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| 07:39.52 | gossamer | The reason I really don't like it is because... just because I'm using a netbook doesn't mean I'm farsided |
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| 07:40.17 | Bushmills | there is #debian-offtopic, chances are that folks there are more chattyx |
| 07:40.19 | Bushmills | chatty |
| 07:40.21 | doubleukay | erez what do you mean by lock-on-no-upstream? |
| 07:40.26 | gossamer | you guys are actually more chatty |
| 07:40.54 | gossamer | whether or not that's a compliment is a mystery to me |
| 07:41.04 | erez | doubleukay: you can't take an ubuntu package and run it on debian, and they don't send patches up to gnome, and probably not to debian either |
| 07:41.26 | erez | doubleukay: lock-up, not lock-on |
| 07:41.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats not entirely correct, but rather off topic here |
| 07:41.44 | doubleukay | i see |
| 07:42.29 | erez | gossamer: The idea of pushing the menu+titlebar into the top panel is a good one, apps take less screen realestate |
| 07:42.39 | erez | which in a netbook is very scarce |
| 07:42.43 | gossamer | openbox takes up no screen realestate |
| 07:42.52 | gossamer | >.> |
| 07:43.10 | erez | gossamer: Yes, also dwm |
| 07:43.45 | gossamer | which I'm completely and totally scared to use |
| 07:43.51 | gossamer | never gone the way of awm or dwm |
| 07:44.11 | gossamer | I have the feeling it would be like jumping into a huge car with no steering wheel and only buttons |
| 07:44.14 | erez | I used dwm exclusively once |
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| 07:44.34 | erez | kinda fun |
| 07:44.55 | erez | somewhat zen |
| 07:45.04 | gossamer | I might try one or the other out for kicks later on |
| 07:45.24 | gossamer | still I'm a bit hard-wired to tint2 and openbox |
| 07:45.38 | gossamer | I used crunchbang about two years ago and never got over the interface |
| 07:45.51 | gossamer | so most distros I use, I set up the same way |
| 07:47.00 | cast | my e16 setup is completely bare, just a bg image :) |
| 07:47.16 | gossamer | lol, all keyboard? |
| 07:48.13 | erez | gossamer: to go back to your suggestion, if I run a gtk/qt app insode openbox, it would still use all its menu/titlebar etc, or would I get a different thing? |
| 07:48.32 | gossamer | no, openbox on its own has no titlebar |
| 07:48.41 | gossamer | right click > applications |
| 07:48.48 | gossamer | sort of how lxde works without pcmanfm |
| 07:48.54 | cast | oh, and i have a mouse cursor |
| 07:48.55 | gossamer | well... exactly how lxde works without pcmanfm |
| 07:49.04 | gossamer | yes, it's a drop down right-click menu |
| 07:49.17 | gossamer | you can add a panel if you'd like, I use tint2, to keep your open programs in order |
| 07:49.27 | gossamer | nitrogen to handle the background |
| 07:49.31 | gossamer | or feh |
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| 07:51.00 | gossamer | Debian contains an automatic menu configuration program called.... "menu" |
| 07:51.17 | gossamer | all it does is add a stock list of programs to openbox's menu configuration |
| 07:51.21 | gossamer | makes things a bit easier |
| 07:51.47 | cast | we know @ menu, contrary to popular belief we use debian :o |
| 07:52.51 | gossamer | ah, sorry. I was under the impression you were a bit daft on openbox |
| 07:53.51 | gossamer | didn't occur to me that "menu" had uses being purposefully downloaded by itself into other wm's |
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| 08:28.00 | tux20 | hello world |
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| 08:29.05 | jbee | hi there. i need the command to list all installed pkgs (got that already) but *with* the version numbers. how do i do that? |
| 08:29.19 | tux20 | we run two server now we get secured internect connection, powered on bsd we have a community site 200 days online and we need more members www.blitzpost.com thx and sorry |
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| 08:29.47 | tux20 | sorry not seucred a 2nd one |
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| 08:32.07 | cast | jbee: dpkg -l |
| 08:32.13 | cast | jbee: how were you doing it? |
| 08:32.14 | jbee | thanks, cast |
| 08:32.30 | jbee | cast: --get-selections |
| 08:32.31 | cast | aptitude search ~i i wonder |
| 08:32.33 | cast | ahh |
| 08:32.59 | cast | aptitude versions ~i |
| 08:33.02 | cast | fuck i love aptitude |
| 08:33.06 | Dewi | anyone know how I can stop 'awesome' WM from starting a gnome-session? |
| 08:33.16 | Dewi | I am specifically trying to *not* use gnome |
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| 08:36.45 | Dewi | what's the difference between a window manager and a desktop environment? |
| 08:36.54 | cast | wikipedia |
| 08:37.36 | Dewi | my question is, do I need a "desktop environment"? |
| 08:37.44 | Dewi | I kind of want just a window manager... how do I do that? |
| 08:40.21 | Dewi | ugh, how ridiculousd |
| 08:40.24 | Dewi | -d |
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| 08:41.09 | cast | i can tell you what i do |
| 08:41.19 | cast | # aptitude install e16 |
| 08:41.25 | Dewi | I just have an app that doesn't work in gnome |
| 08:41.31 | Dewi | so I want to run a session without gnome |
| 08:41.39 | Dewi | I don't want to have to uninstall it or anything like that |
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| 08:41.59 | cast | $ 'echo /usr/bin/e16 > $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 08:42.05 | cast | s/'// :( |
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| 08:42.17 | cast | $ startx |
| 08:42.40 | Dewi | cast: any idea what's the difference between .xinitrc and 'xstartup' ? |
| 08:42.52 | Dewi | (I use xstartup) |
| 08:42.53 | cast | nope |
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| 08:54.44 | debiantonio | Dewi, http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlxwindows.html |
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| 09:08.16 | Dewi | ew, kde is spawning gnome too |
| 09:08.50 | Dewi | how do I suppress it? :/ |
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| 09:13.14 | simonrvn | make sure no gnome apps are running (including daemons) when you log out (and you're saving your sessions auto.) |
| 09:16.02 | Dewi | simonrvn: I do have one gnome session on another xserver |
| 09:16.20 | Dewi | simonrvn: but I have an app that doesn't work in it, so I'm trying to run another session with no gnome |
| 09:16.35 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:17.03 | Dewi | but everything I put in .vnc/xstartup ends up running gnome, except terminal :P |
| 09:17.11 | rozie | hello. what's the debian way of configuring ALSA? I found there should be /etc/asound.conf, but in Squeeze don't have this file |
| 09:17.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:18.38 | Dewi | that gnome-kde hybrid was an abomination. I think I'm going to end up in the international criminal court. :( |
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| 09:32.44 | Dewi | ah. /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 09:41.25 | simonrvn | you can override that with your .xsession |
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| 09:41.43 | simonrvn | but that probably wouldn't work with vnc |
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| 09:42.58 | Dewi | simonrvn: I don't want to break gnome... |
| 09:43.27 | Dewi | simonrvn: every piece of doco just says running "startkde" is enough to run kde instead of gnome... |
| 09:43.35 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:43.49 | tux20 | funny computer pic http://www.blitzpost.com/m/photos/view/Beer-Server-G3 |
| 09:43.53 | simonrvn | that's what i meant by 'override' |
| 09:44.18 | Dewi | simonrvn: can't really do that conditionally though can I? |
| 09:44.25 | Dewi | simonrvn: I'm trying to run both at the same time |
| 09:44.42 | Dewi | don't really want to change files on disk each time I start one |
| 09:45.12 | simonrvn | tux20: next time post that in #debian-offtopic kthx |
| 09:45.14 | Dewi | god I hate X |
| 09:45.27 | tux20 | ohh ok thanks |
| 09:45.28 | Dewi | oh well. xterm is now my window manager! |
| 09:45.30 | tux20 | cool man |
| 09:45.30 | Dewi | :P |
| 09:45.58 | Dewi | I can't maximize or move windows, but I can resize them, heh |
| 09:46.10 | simonrvn | you have no wm running ;) |
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| 09:46.57 | Dewi | simonrvn: I know! cause they all spawn gnome which breaks qt |
| 09:47.57 | Dewi | some qt apps turn all black ... |
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| 09:51.47 | simonrvn | the wm won't spawn gnome, the session manager does that |
| 09:52.23 | Dewi | simonrvn: what's the kde wm? |
| 09:52.41 | simonrvn | kwin |
| 09:53.32 | simonrvn | startkde starts up some sub-processes that are the real session manager, etc. |
| 09:53.49 | simonrvn | gnome-session is the mgr. itself |
| 09:55.00 | Dewi | nods |
| 09:55.56 | Dewi | simonrvn: what's gnome's window manager? |
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| 09:57.34 | Dewi | I'm guessing gnome-wm |
| 09:58.41 | Dewi | running them from xterm doesn't start a session, but anytime I run them outside they start gnome-session |
| 09:58.46 | Dewi | so I guess I'll start it manually, hehe |
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| 10:54.32 | _Brandon_ | hi, I have a disk with a lvm partition that contain the root and home partitions, I would like to make a software raid 1, but is it possible to do it without reformatting the disk? |
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| 11:01.00 | cast | _Brandon_: sure. |
| 11:01.19 | cast | _Brandon_: you could even do it online |
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| 11:01.41 | _Brandon_ | thanks I'll try |
| 11:03.01 | Dewi | wow, I really recommend nuking your entire x/gnome config every few years |
| 11:03.18 | Dewi | everything works better than ever before now :P |
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| 11:03.45 | jelly-home | same goes for kde. Sadly neither care much about upgradeability |
| 11:03.56 | Dewi | thx for your help simonrvn, cast |
| 11:05.13 | Dewi | jelly-home: yeah. This system is pre-etch, so probably a lot of crap. Not only does qt4 work again (what I wanted), but vnc clipboard sharing works & no more settings-daemon crashes |
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| 11:05.25 | chilli0 | Hello. |
| 11:05.55 | chilli0 | I would like some help. I am trying to share some files over samba. However I have no permitions when I try this. They are shared, but I can't make any changes on my end. |
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| 11:07.35 | Fossilet | Where is the full physical memory size showed in dmesg output? |
| 11:08.15 | TwoTwenty | Fossilet: what are you trying to find out |
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| 11:08.29 | chilli0 | Is chmod 777 going to give everyone permision? |
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| 11:09.01 | Dewi | Fossilet: try cat /proc/meminfo |
| 11:09.06 | NginUS | Fossilet : does it have to be dmesg that outputs the value? |
| 11:09.13 | TwoTwenty | Fossilet: what are you after "#cat /proc/meminfo" will give you memory |
| 11:09.15 | Fossilet | TwoTwenty, someone said free -m does not include reserved memory. |
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| 11:09.37 | chilli0 | If I need to give permissions to a directroy that anyone can do anything in do I go like this. chmod 777 -R /home/media/Music ? |
| 11:09.38 | _Brandon_ | chilli0: check that you have writeable = yes in the shared folder config and that the user you are using to access the smb share has the proper filesystem permission |
| 11:09.39 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: cat /proc/meminfo will give you alot of info about your memory |
| 11:09.41 | Dewi | Fossilet: yeah, /proc contains hardware info tho |
| 11:09.46 | _Brandon_ | chilli0: yes |
| 11:09.53 | TwoTwenty | chilli0: yes |
| 11:09.57 | chilli0 | _Brandon_, okay thanks. But for some reason I don't think that worked. |
| 11:09.59 | Fossilet | /proc/meminfo is identical to free output. |
| 11:10.00 | Dewi | Fossilet: if you want even more hardware detail, I recommend something called 'dmidecode' which shows a very detailed hardware tree |
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| 11:10.33 | chilli0 | _Brandon_, TwoTwenty : http://pastebin.com/3ZKEqR8h |
| 11:10.53 | NginUS | thinks lshw -vv is alot of hardware info |
| 11:10.59 | Dewi | Fossilet: but yeah, no idea on dmesg sorry |
| 11:11.08 | TwoTwenty | chilli0: whats the problem though ? |
| 11:11.23 | TwoTwenty | chilli0: looks like everyone has access and the files are owned by root to me ? |
| 11:11.50 | chilli0 | TwoTwenty, will any user be able to delete and make files in there? |
| 11:11.57 | TwoTwenty | chilli0: yes |
| 11:12.00 | Fossilet | Dewi, thanks, dmidecode says 2048MB. |
| 11:12.34 | chilli0 | TwoTwenty, lol cheers. I though that because it was root I couldn't do anything in there. |
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| 11:13.21 | Fossilet | Dewi, I want to check my Xen VPS memory size. |
| 11:13.31 | _Brandon_ | chilli0: the permissions are on the left side rwxrwxrwx |
| 11:13.43 | TwoTwenty | chilli0: if y ou want to change ownership you can "chown -R user /home/Media/music" |
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| 11:14.30 | jughead4 | hi |
| 11:14.38 | TwoTwenty | hi |
| 11:14.39 | _Brandon_ | chilli0: rwx for owner, rwx for group owner and rwx for others |
| 11:14.48 | Fossilet | dmidecode cannot do this on Xen. |
| 11:15.15 | jughead4 | hey what happened to ftp.tw.debian.org , is it down ? |
| 11:15.22 | TwoTwenty | follilet: waht about "cat /proc/meminfo "? |
| 11:15.23 | Dewi | Fossilet: oh right. Yeah xen's obviously divided between many levels. What do you mean by reserved? |
| 11:15.27 | jughead4 | apt is unable to connect to ftp.tw.debian.org |
| 11:15.51 | Dewi | Fossilet: also RAM size is something you set with xen isn't it? |
| 11:15.56 | Fossilet | The guy said reserved for the kernel and cannot be seen in free -m. |
| 11:16.22 | Dewi | Fossilet: is that because you're sharing a kernel tho? |
| 11:16.27 | Fossilet | Dewi, I buy the VPS from overseas. |
| 11:16.27 | Fossilet | The reseller claims 128MB. |
| 11:16.32 | Dewi | Fossilet: I can't remember how exactly xen works nowadays |
| 11:16.39 | Fossilet | But free -b says 110415872. |
| 11:16.46 | Dewi | Fossilet: but I can compare on my vps. hang on |
| 11:16.55 | Fossilet | Dewi, Ok. |
| 11:17.13 | Fossilet | The reseller replies: Some memory is reserved for the kernel. In previous kernel versions, reserved memory was counted as part of the kernel free -m output, now it is not. You can verify that you have the full 128MB by reading dmesg. |
| 11:17.22 | TwoTwenty | Fossilet: doesnt cat /proc/meminfo tell you howmuch the kernel is taking up ?KernelStack: 2728 kB |
| 11:17.26 | Dewi | Fossilet: my free -b is '134541312' |
| 11:17.27 | jughead4 | ftp.tw.debian.org anyone ?, any idea when its going to be fixed ? |
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| 11:17.59 | Dewi | Fossilet: but I dunno how xen has changed over the years, probably quite a bit of difference between versions |
| 11:18.46 | Fossilet | Sorry, I have to be out. Wait a minute. |
| 11:19.00 | Dewi | Fossilet: another xen VPS I have access to says 267124736 (2 * 133562368) |
| 11:19.35 | Dewi | Fossilet: first was mammothvps, second slicehost, btw |
| 11:19.38 | TwoTwenty | dewi: http://pastebin.com/1G2MRaq5 |
| 11:20.27 | Dewi | Fossilet: disclaimer - I know the mammothvps guys personally |
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| 11:21.01 | Dewi | Fossilet: see TwoTwenty's dmesg paste above ^ |
| 11:22.13 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: what is the output of cat /proc/meminfo ? |
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| 11:25.20 | thms | I just bought q phenom X3 from AMD; and I would like to know which installer I hqve to take. i386 ? |
| 11:26.47 | thms | or AMD64 ? |
| 11:26.50 | cusco | Hi |
| 11:26.51 | daedaluz | AMD64 |
| 11:26.55 | thms | thanks |
| 11:27.05 | cusco | what is the disk size limit I can use? |
| 11:27.20 | cusco | I read somewhere that ext3 supports up to 16TB |
| 11:27.35 | thms | IS there gpqrted included in the debian installer ? |
| 11:27.39 | cusco | someone told me besides fs limitation I can only have 8TB |
| 11:27.53 | thms | I would like to delete qll my old partitions, and install debian on a new; tiny one |
| 11:28.15 | cusco | thms: you can use fdisk and mkfs |
| 11:29.16 | thms | thats too hard |
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| 11:35.57 | Fossilet | What does "[ 0.000000] Memory: 1012136k/1048556k available |
| 11:35.57 | Fossilet | " mean? |
| 11:35.58 | Fossilet | http://pastebin.com/0jd1XmU6 |
| 11:36.15 | cusco | thms: cfdisk then? |
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| 11:36.53 | Fossilet | TwoTwenty, what does the numbers in your paste mean? |
| 11:37.37 | Fossilet | Dewi, your free output is real 128MiB and 256MiB, but mine is not. |
| 11:40.54 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: I believe it means my kernel is using around 4MB |
| 11:41.12 | nsadmin | Fossilet: if you take each number reading the digits left to right, hold the first digit... then repeat this: if there are no more digits you're done... if at least one more, multiply what you have already by 10 then add this next digit |
| 11:42.56 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: 1/12136k/104855k means you have 1GB of memory |
| 11:43.10 | TwoTwenty | 1012136k* |
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| 11:48.10 | Fossilet | nsadmin, sorry I do not understand what you mean. |
| 11:48.19 | Dewi | nsadmin: hahaha. is that a macro? |
| 11:48.57 | nsadmin | Dewi: you mean an irc macro? no... |
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| 11:52.01 | nsadmin | Fossilet: so for example... the number 1324, you first take the 1 and hold it, there are more digits so you take what you're holding, multiply by 10 (19), then add the new digit (13), still more digits, mul by 10 (130) add the digit (132), still more digits, mul by 10 (1320) add the digit (1324) no more digits! |
| 11:52.16 | Fossilet | TwoTwenty, 1012136 is the memory avaiable, and 1048556 is the total memory then? |
| 11:52.23 | nsadmin | that's the meaning of 1324! |
| 11:52.41 | TwoTwenty | follilet yes |
| 11:52.46 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: yes |
| 11:52.49 | nsadmin | meanings of all other numbers left as an exercise for the reader :) |
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| 11:53.27 | Fossilet | TwoTwenty, are you using Dvorak layout? |
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| 11:53.52 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: no sorry I have never seen Dvorak layout |
| 11:54.09 | TwoTwenty | follilet: I usually find the things I need out of dmesg and /proc |
| 11:54.21 | TwoTwenty | fossilet: and lspci lsusb ... etc |
| 11:54.49 | nsadmin | usually finds the things he needs in the fridge... |
| 11:54.53 | nsadmin | and Hooters |
| 11:56.36 | Fossilet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.43 | Fossilet | So I know they give me 128M memory. It's all right. |
| 11:56.43 | Fossilet | :) |
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| 11:57.43 | Fossilet | I did not know what the numbers exactly mean. |
| 11:57.54 | nsadmin | ! 65536 * 2 |
| 11:57.54 | dpkg | 131072 |
| 11:58.16 | nsadmin | so the second number is total physical ram |
| 11:59.15 | Fossilet | I wanna ask more: how does the previous number come? |
| 11:59.35 | Fossilet | in the two pastes above. |
| 11:59.38 | nsadmin | isn't it from free? |
| 11:59.54 | nsadmin | no guess not |
| 12:00.16 | Fossilet | From the other numbers given, can I calculate it? |
| 12:00.56 | Fossilet | in dmesg output |
| 12:00.58 | nsadmin | there's only 2 numbers there |
| 12:02.49 | Fossilet | http://pastebin.com/1G2MRaq5 |
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| 12:04.07 | nsadmin | you mean the numbers that show the different areas the kernel uses? |
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| 12:05.12 | abrotman | Fossilet: your computer video card uses system RAM IIRC |
| 12:05.35 | Fossilet | yes. |
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| 12:06.50 | Fossilet | abrotman, where is the video card memory used? |
| 12:07.01 | abrotman | in the video card? |
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| 12:13.08 | eshat | Hi all, did anyone noticed the new debian artwork for squeeze, that has been choosen ? |
| 12:13.28 | eshat | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun |
| 12:13.56 | eshat | This has been choosen, and I think it makes a totally unprofessional impression |
| 12:14.29 | abrotman | eshat: you can send your notes to a mailing list, this channel is for support |
| 12:14.49 | abrotman | no one here is in a position to change that artword |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | work |
| 12:15.08 | eshat | just wanted to hear opinions, I ll talk about that in offtopic, thanks |
| 12:15.24 | abrotman | have fun with that! |
| 12:15.37 | Fossilet | I think they look cool. |
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| 12:16.17 | Fossilet | bye~ |
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| 12:16.53 | e7th04sh | Hi guys. I have installed squeeze but i have a few problems remaining. |
| 12:17.24 | e7th04sh | And the first one i suppose is the locale. Polish characters are incorrectly displayed. |
| 12:17.34 | e7th04sh | how to diagnose the problem? |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | displayed incorrectly in what? |
| 12:18.03 | e7th04sh | in console |
| 12:18.23 | e7th04sh | and in console based programs |
| 12:18.31 | e7th04sh | fe. in lynx)( |
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| 12:18.55 | abrotman | not all apps are UTF-8 clean .. perhaps try links2 |
| 12:18.56 | e7th04sh | instead if polish `a' i see a plus/minus sign |
| 12:19.13 | e7th04sh | abrotman but it's the same with console, isn;t that a bit odd? |
| 12:19.30 | abrotman | e7th04sh: did you generate a UTF8 locale and set it as your default? |
| 12:19.34 | e7th04sh | yes |
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| 12:19.53 | e7th04sh | during installation i picked pl UTF8 as default, and additionaly installed pl sans UT8 |
| 12:20.12 | e7th04sh | i mean the other locale is installed but not default |
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| 12:21.45 | abrotman | so every app misdisplays the character? |
| 12:22.05 | e7th04sh | every as in - shell + lynx |
| 12:22.11 | e7th04sh | i can check something else |
| 12:23.01 | e7th04sh | echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash and echo $0 return -bash |
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| 12:23.30 | abrotman | $LANG is set to ? |
| 12:24.02 | e7th04sh | correctly, to pl_PL.UTF8 |
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| 12:24.57 | abrotman | there is a 40-ish person #debian-pl .. they might know the reason |
| 12:26.24 | abrotman | that seems correct to me .. is it only that one character that doesn't work ? |
| 12:27.35 | e7th04sh | nope |
| 12:27.42 | e7th04sh | none of them works |
| 12:28.01 | e7th04sh | by the way, do you have utf-8? let's see if they are correctntly sent from lynx |
| 12:28.06 | e7th04sh | za¿ó³æ gê¶l± ja¼ñ |
| 12:28.14 | e7th04sh | does that look correct to you? |
| 12:28.22 | abrotman | uhm .. i got some weird symbols :) |
| 12:28.29 | abrotman | ja¼ñ |
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| 12:28.54 | abrotman | is pretty sure the polish language doesn't include 1/4 as a letter :) |
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| 12:29.19 | e7th04sh | :> |
| 12:29.27 | e7th04sh | and so am i |
| 12:29.41 | e7th04sh | ok, then there is some problem here ;/ |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | or it's my irc client .. totally possible |
| 12:30.17 | e7th04sh | well, it might be that we both have the same encoding + my keyboard tries to type in utf8 |
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| 12:32.36 | e7th04sh | ok i'm gonna try debian wiki |
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| 12:35.27 | e7th04sh | unfortunately the wiki tells me how to set locale, while it seems to be set properly |
| 12:35.42 | e7th04sh | and the wiki does not give any pointers as to how to check what could possibly be wrong |
| 12:36.12 | e7th04sh | i think the problem is general, not polish-related |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | which page? |
| 12:36.23 | e7th04sh | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 12:37.25 | abrotman | i thought maybe there'd be a utf-8 page |
| 12:38.16 | e7th04sh | abrotman so you think the problem is utf-8 related? is it a generally bad idea to try to use utf-8 as a default locale? |
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| 12:41.27 | abrotman | that's my locale .. seems to work fine, but i'm an english speaker |
| 12:42.03 | pipeline | e7th04sh: your default locale shouldn't be utf-8, it should be a specific locale |
| 12:42.11 | pipeline | e7th04sh: e.g. en_US.UTF-8 |
| 12:42.41 | pipeline | e7th04sh: beyond your locale, you need a couple more things: a unicode-compatible terminal and fonts for it to use |
| 12:42.42 | e7th04sh | and so it is |
| 12:43.19 | eshat | e7th04sh: did you chck your locale output ? |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | i can't imagine one of the fonts they allow to be used for the console font wouldn't be utf-8 compatible |
| 12:43.24 | e7th04sh | yes |
| 12:43.29 | e7th04sh | i ran `locale' |
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| 12:43.48 | e7th04sh | how do i know if my terminal is unicode compatible |
| 12:44.22 | eshat | e7th04sh: which terminal emulator are you using ? gnome-terminal, konsole, xterm? |
| 12:44.27 | e7th04sh | i am in tty |
| 12:44.39 | e7th04sh | no graphical desktop yet installed |
| 12:44.40 | eshat | e7th04sh: ahh ok, well it should work there |
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| 12:44.59 | e7th04sh | and it does not :/ |
| 12:45.04 | e7th04sh | i mean, maybe unicode does work |
| 12:45.21 | eshat | to you only have problems on irssi, or in whole terminal ? |
| 12:45.36 | e7th04sh | irssi, terminal and lynx |
| 12:45.53 | e7th04sh | so i suppose if i tried anything else, then there too |
| 12:46.38 | eshat | what does /etc/default/locale say ? |
| 12:47.37 | e7th04sh | eshat it's correct |
| 12:47.45 | e7th04sh | LANG="pl_PL.UTF8" |
| 12:47.50 | e7th04sh | LANG="pl_PL.UTF-8" |
| 12:47.53 | e7th04sh | i meant |
| 12:48.02 | eshat | I was going to say, that a "-" is missing :D |
| 12:48.33 | abrotman | possibly try a different console font |
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| 12:49.12 | eshat | e7th04sh: you should also make sure that the locale is uncommented in /etc/locale.gen |
| 12:49.13 | e7th04sh | abrotman how do i know what font i have at the moment? |
| 12:49.27 | eshat | if not, that uncomment it and run locale-gen |
| 12:49.34 | e7th04sh | hmmm it's commented out |
| 12:49.44 | abrotman | e7th04sh: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 12:49.48 | eshat | e7th04sh: you mean, it is active ? |
| 12:49.49 | e7th04sh | i will uncomment, but would you care to explain why the installer did not do it itself? |
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| 12:49.56 | e7th04sh | it's inactive |
| 12:50.11 | eshat | e7th04sh: ok, than activate it |
| 12:50.34 | eshat | e7th04sh: I can not say, what went wrong, never expierenced problem with that |
| 12:51.01 | e7th04sh | very weird |
| 12:51.09 | e7th04sh | when i use cat they ate commented |
| 12:51.13 | e7th04sh | when i use pico they are uncommented |
| 12:51.32 | abrotman | i can't imagine how it would list pl_PL.UTF-8 if it didn't generate it |
| 12:51.32 | eshat | hmmm |
| 12:51.47 | pipeline | also I wouldn't really count on ever getting the console to work |
| 12:51.58 | pipeline | getting it to be utf-8 aware and print a box instead of garbage: sure |
| 12:52.10 | pipeline | getting it to print weird characters? ehh that could be a rabbit hole |
| 12:52.18 | eshat | I have no problems with german letters like öüà |
| 12:52.28 | e7th04sh | oh, and i see eshat's german letters properly |
| 12:52.41 | e7th04sh | (is it an evil plot for a german domination in console? ;p) |
| 12:52.45 | pipeline | the special german letters are gonna be latin-1, so those are likely to be in *any* font |
| 12:52.48 | eshat | e7th04sh: then maybe your keyboard configured wrong |
| 12:52.57 | eshat | pipeline: ahh ok |
| 12:53.05 | e7th04sh | eshat that could be the case, how do i know? |
| 12:53.30 | e7th04sh | i think i have a USB Legacy Keyboard Support enabled in BIOS to go through installation with usb keyboard |
| 12:53.49 | eshat | e7th04sh: shouldn't be the reson |
| 12:53.52 | eshat | reason* |
| 12:54.03 | e7th04sh | now, wait a secon, lynx would display webpages properly, if they keyboard was misconfigured |
| 12:54.06 | e7th04sh | the* |
| 12:54.14 | eshat | e7th04sh: try dpkgreconfigure console-setup as abrotman saied before |
| 12:54.20 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:54.21 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 12:54.45 | eshat | * |
| 12:54.47 | eshat | yes |
| 12:54.48 | e7th04sh | now that is extremely weird -.- |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | that? |
| 12:55.04 | e7th04sh | bash says i don't have dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | as root? |
| 12:55.12 | eshat | e7th04sh: as root |
| 12:55.33 | e7th04sh | oh, true |
| 12:55.59 | e7th04sh | console-setup seems to not be installed on mah squeeze |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | e7th04sh: really? |
| 12:57.13 | eshat | I think it isn't installed by default |
| 12:57.18 | eshat | anymore |
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| 12:57.39 | e7th04sh | what is console-setup? |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | it's optional .. so maybe you don't need it .. i just know that it provides the selection for some console options |
| 12:57.50 | abrotman | judd: info console-setup --release squeeze |
| 12:57.52 | judd | Package console-setup (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: console font and keymap setup program. Version: 1.58; Size: 621.5k; Installed: 1468k |
| 12:58.05 | e7th04sh | ok, i guess it's worth installing |
| 12:58.07 | eshat | e7th04sh: it lets you setup your console :D setting font, keyboard input and so on |
| 12:58.35 | eshat | e7th04sh: maybe you can try to log out and log in again, and make sure than LANG and LC-* are set to UTF-8 |
| 12:59.02 | e7th04sh | LC-what? |
| 12:59.35 | eshat | LC_CTYPE for example |
| 13:00.15 | eshat | or check if your locale is beein genereated if you start locale-gen (as root) |
| 13:00.26 | eshat | is afk |
| 13:00.36 | abrotman | he might want to use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
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| 13:01.05 | e7th04sh | eshat how do i check LC_CTYPE? `cat $LC_CTYPE' shows nothing and i need to ctl+z it |
| 13:01.31 | e7th04sh | oh wait, i need echo |
| 13:01.39 | abrotman | e7th04sh: just type 'locale' as the user |
| 13:01.50 | e7th04sh | echo $LC_CTYPE shows blank line |
| 13:02.18 | e7th04sh | locale shows correctly for everything but LC_ALL which is blank |
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| 13:04.03 | abrotman | not a big deal |
| 13:05.09 | e7th04sh | ok, i installed console-setup and ran dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 13:05.47 | e7th04sh | i picked UTF-8, polish default keymap, latin-2 font, Terminus and smallest possible size |
| 13:05.53 | e7th04sh | should i reboot to see if this helps? |
| 13:06.01 | e7th04sh | because it did not help instantly |
| 13:06.49 | e7th04sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.51 | e7th04sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | e7th04sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:07.01 | e7th04sh | lol |
| 13:07.11 | e7th04sh | i was just trying to play bowling with you dpkg |
| 13:07.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | e7th04sh: please don't do that |
| 13:07.23 | e7th04sh | ok ok sorry |
| 13:07.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks |
| 13:09.52 | e7th04sh | see you after reboot |
| 13:09.56 | e7th04sh | hopefully this help |
| 13:09.57 | e7th04sh | s |
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| 13:15.18 | ilux | why is flash not working ;-) |
| 13:16.01 | pipeline | ilux: there is a flash plugin available for linux, but I would not recommend installing it. It is marked by the same laccadaisical stance towards security as all other adobe products, and performance is pretty miserable compared to Windows. |
| 13:16.56 | ilux | ok |
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| 13:17.09 | e7th04sh | Yo, it works perfect now. |
| 13:17.12 | aftertaf | anyone know how to reset successfully the root password for mysql ? |
| 13:17.23 | e7th04sh | Tough i can't set the smallest font for some reason. |
| 13:17.31 | ilux | shalom world, why i have problems with snort-mysql |
| 13:17.49 | e7th04sh | Now before i venture onto installing more packages to make it a usable desktop, how can i get information on some errors that Debian would like me to correct? |
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| 13:18.04 | e7th04sh | like an excerpt from init.log pointing to possible problems\ |
| 13:22.56 | amphi | ilux: you can use cclive for youtube, vimeo, and some others, if that's what you want flash for |
| 13:23.18 | amphi | ilux: cclive -s will stream it to your video player |
| 13:23.29 | pipeline | aftertaf: reseting the root pw is a downtime operation, you have to stop mysqld, then start mysqld with a special argument to start it with perms disabled. Try the man page for mysqld. |
| 13:23.41 | ilux | he cool thx |
| 13:23.55 | aftertaf | pipeline: thx :) but i'm trying that |
| 13:23.59 | aftertaf | and getting an error ERROR 1290 (HY000): The MySQL server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement |
| 13:24.14 | pipeline | aftertaf: what's the statement you are attempting to execute ? |
| 13:24.30 | aftertaf | SET PASSWORD FOR root@'localhost' = PASSWORD('password'); |
| 13:25.10 | aftertaf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.04 | Vogon | im using a 3ware controller 9650SE , and the speeds are dropping drasticly every few weeks, only reboot would fix it, should i be worried? |
| 13:28.32 | pipeline | Vogon: yes/no |
| 13:28.47 | SwedeMike | Vogon: ubuntu and debian aren't the same thing. why are you asking the same question in both channels? |
| 13:29.05 | Vogon | because its a general question |
| 13:29.09 | Vogon | and since its hardware... |
| 13:29.12 | pipeline | Vogon: 3ware controllers, in general, are really wretched. They have a good reputation because they were the only game in town back in the 90s. It is not a deserved reputation. Go buy adaptec/LSI.... or just live with the possibility of catastrophic failure. |
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| 13:29.51 | pipeline | Vogon: p.s. you can get adaptec/lsi controllers really cheaply on ebay if you hunt for the Dell or HP branded models -- you don't have to have Dell or HP hardware to use their rebranded RAID controllers. |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | Vogon: what is uname -r ? |
| 13:31.23 | Vogon | 2.6.32-25-generic |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | Vogon: go to #ubuntu for support thank you |
| 13:31.45 | NginUS | how can I chmod files that are created in windows prior to uploading them to a nix box? |
| 13:35.29 | Bushmills | by using the appropriate windows tools? |
| 13:35.39 | babilen | NginUS: You want to set unix permission on netfs et. al? |
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| 13:36.01 | abrotman | uploading them via what? |
| 13:36.34 | NginUS | sftp, if i write a script in notepad++ then upload it in filezilla, but i guess ssh-server resets it anyway |
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| 13:37.00 | abrotman | !tell VEndix about root |
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| 13:37.08 | abrotman | NginUS: and the server is running what? |
| 13:37.21 | e7th04sh | hi |
| 13:37.40 | e7th04sh | i would like to know what troubles init logged on be debian |
| 13:37.47 | e7th04sh | how do i/ |
| 13:38.02 | NginUS | lenny & squeeze |
| 13:38.07 | NginUS | abrotman: |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | NginUS: did you look at man sshd_config ? |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | e7th04sh: huh? |
| 13:38.34 | NginUS | abrotman: not yet- just found out about that |
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| 13:39.09 | NginUS | e7th04sh : init errors in debian logs? |
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| 13:42.48 | e7th04sh | abrotman i want to see if there are any things i should work on here |
| 13:43.00 | e7th04sh | you know, like init starts and does everything it's supposed and notes any problems |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | things? work on? |
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| 13:43.09 | abrotman | there are logs in /var/log/ .. |
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| 13:43.19 | e7th04sh | abrotman, ok, but there's a lot of that stuff there |
| 13:43.30 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 13:44.03 | mallxs | Hi pls adv. on debian/Gnome where or how do i adjust the screen locking time ? |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | which version of Debian ? |
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| 13:46.04 | mallxs | i'm on Lenny x86_64 |
| 13:46.25 | abrotman | mallxs: there should be a preferences somewhere for the screensaver in the system stuff |
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| 13:46.33 | VEndix | can someone |
| 13:46.38 | gimpOil | if i do 'apt-get remove squid', and then /etc/init.d/squid restart .. there is no error message, how come, i thought i just removed it? if i try to restart a non-existant program i get an error. |
| 13:46.44 | karlpinc | mallxs: It's all in that one gnome control panel program, somewhere. |
| 13:46.52 | VEndix | help me installing and configuring transsmission on debian? |
| 13:47.29 | NginUS | e7th04sh: sudo cat /var/log/syslog |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | VEndix: aptitude install transmission |
| 13:47.51 | e7th04sh | NginUS thanks, and can i somehow log everything that happens since booting, until login prompt, to a file? |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | !tell e7th04sh about bootlog |
| 13:48.09 | NginUS | e7th04sh : thats what syslog already does |
| 13:48.18 | mallxs | abrotman: i found it .. sorry should have looked first, its very simple |
| 13:48.39 | Wyzard | gimpOil: "apt-get remove" removes most of the package's files, but doesn't remove its config files, so that the configuration will be the same if you reinstall the package again |
| 13:48.56 | Wyzard | gimpOil: and initscripts are often flagged as config files (since the administrator may need to modify them) |
| 13:48.59 | NginUS | !tell NginUS about iptables |
| 13:49.03 | NginUS | aww |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | !tell NginUS about selftell |
| 13:49.19 | Wyzard | gimpOil: Use "purge" instead of "remove" to fully remove a package |
| 13:50.07 | NginUS | :) |
| 13:52.09 | NginUS | abrotman : just saw the pm's. thx |
| 13:52.31 | rozie | will ask once again: what's equivalent of /etc/asound.conf in Squeeze? I'd like to add some lines debian way... |
| 13:52.41 | e7th04sh | what does it mean `trying to reexec init'? |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | rozie: can't you still use that file? |
| 13:53.49 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: probably that the init program is trying to relaunch itself, e.g. because a new version has been installed |
| 13:54.26 | rozie | abrotman: I don't know (file doesn't exist at this moment). and won't know if it works. and have no alsa experience |
| 13:54.40 | e7th04sh | Wyzard it happens 4 times in a row |
| 13:54.45 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: when? |
| 13:54.49 | rozie | abrotman: of course I'll try finally if I don't get the answer |
| 13:54.53 | e7th04sh | during init |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | rozie: i'd just try .. i think it's sitll used |
| 13:55.01 | rozie | but I guess it's better to ask |
| 13:55.09 | e7th04sh | and i haven't made any changes to software or hardware and rebooted several times |
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| 13:55.46 | richo | why does xserver-xorg-core install everything.. I would have thought xserver-xorg would install the lot.. -core should install only the core components? |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | richo: you want to install 'xorg' |
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| 13:56.52 | richo | abrotman: just xorg? |
| 13:57.16 | abrotman | richo: the correct metapackage is 'xorg' |
| 13:57.20 | richo | that pulls in a bunch of other crap though x11-apps, x11-session utils |
| 13:57.30 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: The only Google results for that message seem to be related to someone having disabled prelinking recently |
| 13:57.35 | richo | I don't understand why I have to jump through hoops to just install the X.org server binaries. |
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| 13:58.07 | e7th04sh | Wyzard: and prelinking is? |
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| 13:58.55 | richo | abrotman: and for the record, if you haven't already jumped through hoops, the xorg metapackage installs EVERYTHING as well. |
| 13:59.07 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: an optional feature that can help programs start faster, especially ones that use lots of shared libraries |
| 13:59.42 | abrotman | richo: 'xorg' is the correct metapackage if you want to run X |
| 14:00.00 | e7th04sh | i installed lenny from netinst and migrated to squeeze, that's all i've done pretty much |
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| 14:01.12 | richo | abrotman: Ok. I will take your word for that. With that said, I do not want the drivers for every piece of hardware supported by debian. I am sure there must be a way to install X without all of those drivers. Installing one single driver pulls in what I'm looking for but seems kludgy. |
| 14:01.28 | Wyzard | richo: xserver-xorg-core doesn't pull in "everything", it pulls in some libraries and (via xserver-xorg) some drivers |
| 14:01.35 | somiaj | trying to hunt down what puts timestamps on the logs placed into dmesg -- the debian kernels do this, my custom kernels do not, is this a config option I'm not seeing in the linux tree or a patch added by debian? |
| 14:01.42 | richo | Wyzard: yes. If by some drivers you mean all the drivers. |
| 14:02.03 | Wyzard | richo: The dependencies for the drivers are set up so that any individual driver can satisfy the dependency, but the default is to install all of them |
| 14:02.07 | abrotman | richo: i'm saying that your X will probably have missing functionality .. the 'xorg' metapackage exists for a reason |
| 14:02.20 | richo | abrotman: I've been using X in this setup for some time. There are no problems. |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | judd: info xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:02.33 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel (x11, optional) in lenny/i386: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. Version: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; Size: 389.0k; Installed: 944k |
| 14:02.33 | Wyzard | richo: That way the default installation should work on any hardware, but you can tailor it to avoid installing things you don't need if you know exactly what you do need |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | it's 1MB? and you're complaining? |
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| 14:02.52 | richo | Wyzard: ok, so the right way is to just instlal the specific driver for my hardware? |
| 14:02.55 | richo | Cheers |
| 14:02.56 | Wyzard | yep |
| 14:03.06 | richo | Ah, awesome. I'd been doing it right all along. Gotta love that. |
| 14:03.13 | stew | SparFux: check if there are differences? or see what the actual differences are? |
| 14:03.38 | Wyzard | richo: The dependency is for "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-2" and the latter is a virtual package name that's provided by all the individual driver packages |
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| 14:04.35 | SparFux | stew: what the differences are.. |
| 14:05.05 | e7th04sh | Wyzard: ok, i think i misunderstood something. syslog is a compilation of logs from all boots, right? |
| 14:05.15 | e7th04sh | is it even emptied ever? |
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| 14:06.08 | stew | SparFux: no universal method. and if there is one, it would only be for conffiles not all config files, as conffiles are the ones tracked by dpkg. depending on how pakcages manage them there will be .dpkg-dist versions of the config files when you have difference |
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| 14:06.41 | stew | SparFux: some packages might install there default config files in /usr/share/doc/packagename/examples, some will put them somewhere in /usr/share/ some won't do any of this |
| 14:06.47 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: Yes, it's rotated daily by logrotate -- old logs are compressed and eventually deleted |
| 14:06.53 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: ls -l /var/log/syslog* |
| 14:07.25 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: If you don't have logrotate installed then it'll grow indefinitely, I guess |
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| 14:08.22 | stew | e7th04sh: no, syslog isn't rotated by logrotate, it comes with its own log rotation |
| 14:08.36 | Wyzard | ah, sorry |
| 14:08.42 | eshat | top has really strang shortcuts, is htop really usable as alternative ? |
| 14:08.43 | kj4 | ls |
| 14:08.48 | Wyzard | richo: FWIW, there's no real harm in having the other drivers installed, unless you're very short on disk space or something |
| 14:09.09 | Wyzard | richo: I keep them installed, just to make things easier if I have to swap hardware for some reason |
| 14:09.21 | Wyzard | eshat: I greatly prefer htop over top |
| 14:09.41 | stew | Wyzard: np, common assumption. its good though because syslog has ways of determining dynamically what are the logs are that are configured for that system |
| 14:10.11 | e7th04sh | thanks guys |
| 14:10.41 | e7th04sh | if i want to install minimal gnome - i mean the environment itself without any suggested tools, like web browser etc, what do i do? |
| 14:10.51 | abrotman | !tell e7th04sh about install gnome |
| 14:10.53 | e7th04sh | also i would like to always login to shell and only then start gnome |
| 14:10.56 | e7th04sh | thanks |
| 14:11.34 | amphi | remove gdm |
| 14:11.44 | e7th04sh | amphi no gdm at the moment |
| 14:11.49 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: gnome-core is the package you probably want |
| 14:12.01 | amphi | e7th04sh: it may appear ;) |
| 14:12.15 | e7th04sh | amphi fair enouygh ;p |
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| 14:12.47 | e7th04sh | Wyzard how (hard)core would that package be? i mean won;t that mean a lot of hassle later on? |
| 14:12.57 | amphi | e7th04sh: you mean you want to run startx from your shell, right? |
| 14:12.58 | e7th04sh | does it fe. contain gnome-panels? how about nautilus? |
| 14:13.02 | e7th04sh | amphi i suppose |
| 14:13.24 | e7th04sh | generally want to log in text environment and only then choose to work in graphical mode |
| 14:13.29 | eshat | e7th04sh: it is a working gnome envirnoment |
| 14:13.45 | e7th04sh | eshat, so nautilus included: |
| 14:13.46 | e7th04sh | ? |
| 14:13.54 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: Look at the dependencies: it includes the panel and applets, the session manager, metacity and nautilus, and a few core apps (eog and gedit) |
| 14:14.10 | e7th04sh | anyways, are there any alternatives to nautilus worth checkign out or should i stick with it? |
| 14:14.16 | eshat | e7th04sh: sure... since nautikus belongs sto the core of gnome, without it, you couldn't browse any folder |
| 14:14.34 | e7th04sh | ok, i guess gnome-core it is then |
| 14:14.49 | e7th04sh | any tips on what it lacks and 99% i will want to install? |
| 14:15.15 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: If you're looking for a lightweight desktop you might want to use something like XFCE instead of GNOME |
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| 14:15.23 | abrotman | e7th04sh: you'll find out pretty quickly i would imagine .. and you can just install it later |
| 14:15.24 | eshat | e7th04sh: just try, and you will see which package you need are missing |
| 14:15.50 | eshat | It is kind of strange asking other people what you like :D |
| 14:15.53 | e7th04sh | sure, i didn't mean the clearly visible things ;p |
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| 14:15.57 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: Look at the dependencies of gnome-desktop-environment -- it depends on gnome-core plus a bunch of apps |
| 14:16.04 | e7th04sh | i thought of like fe. it could (i know it does not) lack panels |
| 14:16.27 | e7th04sh | and without advice i could figure out to live without them, but i'm better off asking just in case |
| 14:16.30 | Wyzard | so you can use its dependency list to learn about things you might want to install together with gnome-core |
| 14:16.36 | e7th04sh | ok |
| 14:16.38 | poisonbit | to compare with the default debian desktop install: tasksel --task-packages desktop # then aptitude show package |
| 14:16.40 | e7th04sh | that's very true Wyzard |
| 14:16.46 | amphi | or you could just install a wm and some panel |
| 14:16.49 | Wyzard | You're avoiding XFCE because it might lack panels, even though you know it doesn't? |
| 14:17.02 | eshat | e7th04sh: packages like file-roller (file encrytion) do not depend on gnome-core |
| 14:17.09 | e7th04sh | Wyzard i wasn't referring to xfce, but gnome |
| 14:17.29 | e7th04sh | i meant that if i install lightweight version it might lack something that i won't be aware how useful it is |
| 14:17.39 | e7th04sh | but never mind this |
| 14:17.39 | e7th04sh | ;p |
| 14:18.07 | eshat | e7th04sh: yes, just try, maybe you can compare later a a live system, and you will see what is useful for you |
| 14:18.09 | e7th04sh | i suppose there are reasons why xfce is not the default, while gnome is - what would they be? |
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| 14:18.26 | Wyzard | If you don't know what things you want and don't want, why are you trying to avoid installing most of GNOME? |
| 14:19.37 | e7th04sh | i prefer to have a bare minimum and add from there to avoid disadvantages of having things i don;t use |
| 14:19.51 | e7th04sh | like diskspace usage, possible lower overall performance etc. |
| 14:20.03 | Wyzard | Unless you're short on disk space, there isn't really much disadvantage in having things you don't use |
| 14:20.12 | e7th04sh | 80 GB seems a tiny bit short |
| 14:20.15 | Wyzard | Then you'll at least know they're available, so you can find out whether you want to use them |
| 14:20.34 | Wyzard | 80GB free, or 80GB total disk? |
| 14:20.37 | e7th04sh | total |
| 14:20.47 | Bushmills | e7th04sh: xfce, while looking quite similar to gnome, has few inconsistencies. for example, setting file manager to single click activation still requires you to double click desktop items, or drawing a frame around desktop objects with the intention to move them (in arrangement terms) will only move the one the mouse pointer touches. |
| 14:20.51 | e7th04sh | 20 GB / and 60 GB for home |
| 14:20.52 | Wyzard | My entire Debian installation, excluding /home, is 28GB |
| 14:21.00 | Wyzard | and that includes a lot of apps |
| 14:21.11 | Bushmills | i suppose gnome is considered more intuitive by giving less of these surprises |
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| 14:21.40 | e7th04sh | i know, yesterday i had 13 GB of apps and i followed the attitude of 'you can always uninstall' |
| 14:22.00 | e7th04sh | somehow it led me to a situation where booting took probably 10 times it takes now, on raw install |
| 14:22.17 | Wyzard | Well, having GNOME installed isn't going to slow down your boot |
| 14:22.24 | e7th04sh | i guess so |
| 14:22.40 | Wyzard | My laptop has an 80GB disk and I think I have it partitioned 20/60 like you do, and it has all of GNOME |
| 14:22.52 | Bushmills | mail server is a frequent cause for slow boot. |
| 14:23.07 | Bushmills | and incorrect /etc/hosts |
| 14:23.13 | e7th04sh | Bushmills that's helpful - i think i had one installed and enabled :/ |
| 14:23.19 | e7th04sh | cat /etc/hosts |
| 14:23.22 | e7th04sh | fuuuu |
| 14:23.23 | e7th04sh | ;p |
| 14:23.49 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: I just checked: / on my laptop is 15GB total, 11GB used |
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| 14:23.56 | e7th04sh | well mine seem to be correct, would removing all ipv6 data and support speed things up a bit stil ltough? |
| 14:24.22 | Bushmills | problem with hosts is often an incorrect or missing localhost line |
| 14:24.43 | Wyzard | and that includes gnome-desktop-environment plus a bunch of other apps (including Eclipse, Mono and MonoDevelop, VMware -- not small stuff) |
| 14:25.03 | e7th04sh | Wyzard well i still am gonna do things the hard way ^^ |
| 14:25.11 | Bushmills | Wyzard: netbook? |
| 14:25.14 | e7th04sh | gnome-core it is, i might later on install anything it lacks |
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| 14:25.38 | Wyzard | Bushmills: No, just (somewhat) old -- it's a ThinkPad Z60m |
| 14:25.50 | Bushmills | ah. 15 gig was somehow indicative |
| 14:25.57 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: You won't know what it lacks :-) |
| 14:26.08 | Wyzard | Bushmills: That's just the root filesystem; the whole disk is 80 |
| 14:26.33 | e7th04sh | Wyzard well i do use computer for about 10 years, so i guess i know about a few things it should be able to do, like mail client, web browser, im, rss feeder etc. ;p |
| 14:26.50 | Bushmills | tetris |
| 14:26.55 | Bushmills | :P |
| 14:27.12 | e7th04sh | oh, my bad |
| 14:27.14 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: What I mean is, you won't know about the specific apps that GNOME has available |
| 14:27.16 | e7th04sh | tetris and minesweeper |
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| 14:27.34 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 14:27.41 | lenswipe | can someone tell me where the iptables config is |
| 14:27.42 | e7th04sh | Wyzard i think i know most of the apps that i used on daily basis pre-reinstall |
| 14:27.56 | e7th04sh | what i thought about when asking about such stuff before was these things that i was unaware i'm using |
| 14:28.08 | e7th04sh | or that i would not know what package they come from |
| 14:28.36 | e7th04sh | lol, liboobs |
| 14:28.45 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: For example, take a look at "baobab" -- it's a tool for visualizing what's taking up your disk space |
| 14:29.03 | Bushmills | or gdmap |
| 14:29.15 | pestouille | lenswipe: iptables -L |
| 14:29.21 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: If you installed the normal set of GNOME apps you'd notice the "disk space analyzer" item in your system tools menu, and find it useful |
| 14:29.47 | e7th04sh | well, i can always type "disk space analyzer gnome" in g**gle |
| 14:29.50 | pestouille | lenswipe: iptabes-save > /etc/iptables.conf and then add iptabes-restore < /etc/iptables.conf in network/interfaces |
| 14:29.54 | babilen | e7th04sh: aka "baobab" |
| 14:30.02 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: but I'll bet that with just the core stuff installed, you wouldn't think "my system is missing a tool to visualize disk-space usage" |
| 14:30.29 | e7th04sh | Wyzard what it actually does? is it better than xdiskspace? |
| 14:31.19 | Wyzard | I haven't used xdiskspace, but see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-usage.html |
| 14:31.21 | Bushmills | "better" is a relative term. like "is that colour nicer?" |
| 14:32.00 | Wyzard | and http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/baobab-ringschart.html |
| 14:32.09 | e7th04sh | Bushmills: well, things are always relative, more or less, still it should not prevent us from having opinions |
| 14:32.29 | e7th04sh | Wyzard i'm pretty sure i should watch these links with a grtaphical web browser not lynx |
| 14:32.42 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: Yes, it's hard to see screenshots in text mode |
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| 14:33.18 | e7th04sh | so, i installed gnome-core nevertheless, do i start it with startx command? |
| 14:33.24 | Bushmills | well, "this executable is larger than that one" is less relative, or "this program exeutes slower" |
| 14:33.39 | e7th04sh | Bushmills: and 2+2=4 is even less relative |
| 14:33.55 | Wyzard | e7th04sh: Yes, you're not actually launching GNOME directly, you're launching an X session, and the X session is configured to run the GNOME session manager |
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| 14:34.33 | e7th04sh | wait a second, i guess if i installed gnome-core but had no x prior |
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| 14:34.48 | e7th04sh | it's kinda weird that gnome does not depend on x, does it? |
| 14:34.59 | Wyzard | No, because it can be run remotely |
| 14:35.13 | e7th04sh | ok, if i install x now, will everything be just fine? |
| 14:35.19 | Bushmills | e7th04sh: actually, 2+2=11, using a radix of 3 |
| 14:35.26 | Wyzard | You could install GNOME on a machine that has no graphics capability at all, and run with its display pointed at another machine that does |
| 14:35.37 | e7th04sh | Bushmills: you changed language |
| 14:35.40 | Wyzard | so yes, install xorg |
| 14:36.33 | Bushmills | e7th04sh: you didn't specify language :P |
| 14:36.53 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.19 | e7th04sh | this is then not a problem of relativity of 2+2=4, but relativity of meaning of `2+2=4' ;-) |
| 14:37.47 | Bushmills | that what you called "even less relative" |
| 14:37.49 | e7th04sh | and i did pick a language, `relatively' small number of people would genuinely not understand which language i picked |
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| 14:38.51 | e7th04sh | nah, what i call less relative is that 2+2=4 in any radix >4 is 'most probably' true |
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| 14:39.15 | Bushmills | less relative than "larger" or "slower"? |
| 14:39.24 | e7th04sh | yes |
| 14:39.44 | Bushmills | well, you're entitled to your own opinions, of course |
| 14:39.52 | e7th04sh | when you say that two apples plus two apples will mean four apples, it's less abstract thus more relative |
| 14:40.14 | e7th04sh | both are unlikely to be false |
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| 14:40.23 | e7th04sh | ok i guess you don't like this kind of speculation |
| 14:40.51 | e7th04sh | but i'm pretty sure everything is less relative than the idea of A is A |
| 14:41.55 | e7th04sh | anyways, is xorg the correct package or like with gnome, there are several posibilities? |
| 14:42.13 | Bushmills | well, than the answer to xdiskspace/baobab "better" must probably be "yes, it isn't" |
| 14:42.32 | Bushmills | then |
| 14:42.35 | e7th04sh | ;-) |
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| 14:43.51 | e7th04sh | funny, polish aptitude localization menu items have certain letters highlighted like in original |
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| 14:44.09 | e7th04sh | however this seems to be based on their position, like if the 3rd letter was highlithed in english version, the same one will be in polish |
| 14:44.19 | e7th04sh | thus the highlighted letters are not consistent with real key shortcuts |
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| 14:56.48 | mutante | have mplayer and works, but failure to install mplayer-gui http://paste.debian.net/99693/ |
| 14:58.45 | mutante | hmm, ok, so use gnome-mplayer instead? gives me a "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" , but besides that it works |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | !tell mutante about overwrite |
| 15:00.00 | mutante | thanks |
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| 15:03.40 | rallias | Does anyone have any experience in upgrading from ubuntu to debian using apt? |
| 15:04.52 | e7th04sh | \o/ gnome is working, and very fast |
| 15:04.57 | pipeline | rallias: don't bother trying |
| 15:05.04 | rallias | pipeline: why? |
| 15:05.13 | pipeline | rallias: doesn't work well, will be a pain in your ass over time |
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| 15:05.33 | rallias | pipeline: so is the unity interface, which is why I want to switch |
| 15:06.02 | pipeline | rallias: to save your settings for the new install, you need three things: 1. output from dpkg --get-selections, 2. output from debconf-get-selections (all one command!), 3. a copy of your home directory |
| 15:06.22 | richo | Wyzard: this disk has 40 gig, a gutless processor and not much memory |
| 15:06.27 | rallias | pipeline: ok. |
| 15:06.33 | mutante | abrotman: it says i should report a bug, should that be in "mplayer" or in "mplayer-gui" |
| 15:06.55 | richo | Wyzard: but also, I had a look through Xorg's startup log, and it loads a stack of module it should (vesa, ati, and one more) when it should be loading radeon |
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| 15:07.20 | pipeline | rallias: once you've saved those things, 1. do a fresh install of debian. 2. Put your home directory where it belongs. Apply the debconf selections: 3. "cat debconf-get-selections.output | sudo debconf-set-selections" 4. finally, do the package setup -- "cat dpkg.selections.out | sudo dpkg --set-selections && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 15:07.23 | richo | easiest way to fix that is to not have any modules aside from what it should be loading present, in the end I had to prod it toward radeon in xorg.conf anyway, but a 4 line config is ok |
| 15:07.37 | pipeline | rallias: you may actually want to skip step #4 because ubuntu has weird package names, and it could fail |
| 15:07.56 | rallias | pipeline: ubuntu has wierd everything. I am currently using windows. |
| 15:08.16 | pipeline | rallias: strictly speaking all you really want to save is your home directory |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | mutante: which version of debian is it ? |
| 15:08.19 | rallias | I was actually hoping that there was a way because I used the wubi installer. |
| 15:08.27 | rallias | pipeline: I like the wubiness |
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| 15:08.35 | pipeline | rallias: I don't know what that is, and I don't care, as it is not a debian component. |
| 15:09.03 | Bushmills | rallias: debian netinstall is rather painless |
| 15:09.33 | richo | rallias: try the output from dpkg -l | awk {'print $2'} |
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| 15:09.46 | richo | if you install that with aptitude on your new debian install, all the important stuff will work |
| 15:09.53 | mutante | abrotman: "squeeze/sid" in /etc/debian_version , squeeze in sources.list |
| 15:09.53 | rallias | kk. |
| 15:10.02 | richo | a few things will fail, but the things that are likely to ofail will likely be dependencies that'll fix themselves anyway |
| 15:10.27 | Bushmills | or dpkg --get-selections, may be more useful |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | mutante: when is the last time you did an 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' ? |
| 15:10.38 | Bushmills | (output can be used with --set-selections |
| 15:10.39 | Bushmills | ) |
| 15:10.56 | e7th04sh | Should i install mozplugger? |
| 15:11.11 | Bushmills | if it is "better", sure :P |
| 15:11.28 | e7th04sh | rofl |
| 15:11.29 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 15:11.36 | e7th04sh | no seriously, what are the disadvantages |
| 15:11.49 | Bushmills | it increases package count on your system by one |
| 15:11.53 | mutante | abrotman: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade,, hmm, a couple weeks ago or something? aptitude full-upgrade? never . /me hides |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | mutante: you might want to do one .. tha tmight be why you're having hte issue |
| 15:13.03 | mutante | abrotman: sure, i should have done that before. 202 packages upgraded, 12 newly installed, 33 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ..nevermind |
| 15:13.12 | Bushmills | maybe even by two, if m4 isn't installed |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | mutante: full-upgrade .. |
| 15:14.11 | mutante | yep, doing that right now |
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| 15:14.37 | e7th04sh | Bushmills: cmon ;/ are you gonna repeat that whenever i ask a question from now to eternity? |
| 15:14.54 | Bushmills | thanks for the idea |
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| 15:22.44 | e7th04sh | anyways |
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| 15:26.18 | mutante | abrotman: problem persists after "full upgrade" succeeded and no more upgrades are found |
| 15:27.41 | richo | how can I show all packages install from a particular release? |
| 15:28.25 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 15:28.25 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
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| 15:53.12 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:54.44 | fi9o | hello |
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| 15:59.22 | TrueDD | Hi fi9o |
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| 16:00.04 | fi9o | TrueDD: :) |
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| 16:08.59 | un214 | vncviewer is very nice and displays its popup menu as white on light gray |
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| 16:09.05 | un214 | obvously this doesn't work too well |
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| 16:11.48 | e7th04sh | Ok, i have iceweasel 3.5.15 installed and now i want to get flash. Gnash is the free option, and Flashplayer is proprietary. I have nothing against using free properietary software if the performance and features hint so. |
| 16:12.10 | un214 | I got flash from www.adobe.com |
| 16:12.26 | e7th04sh | So i suppose installing Flashplayer is want i would want to do. Now, the wiki says it's in sid's repository. Why so? Is it really unstable, or is it just the result of debian OS policies? |
| 16:12.31 | rking | e7th04sh: Gnash is Gtrash, in my experience. =( |
| 16:12.36 | abrotman | e7th04sh: use backports.org .. if you wanbt real flash |
| 16:12.50 | abrotman | e7th04sh: Gnash is something to try though |
| 16:12.55 | pipeline | e7th04sh: gnash and "real" flash are both horrible, you can't win at this game |
| 16:13.14 | e7th04sh | pipeline i had squeeze just yesterday playing everything i need from flash about fine |
| 16:13.39 | pipeline | e7th04sh: frankly you're best off to just avoid the package system entirely, and get the tar.gz file from adobe yourself, then stick it in ~/.mozilla. You'll need to update flash very frequently to avoid security holes ;_; |
| 16:13.45 | e7th04sh | i try to avoid flash, but i want to use youtube and similar services |
| 16:13.52 | pipeline | yeah I'm warning you that they're terrible |
| 16:14.00 | pipeline | I can't use youtube worth a damn on my 3.4 GHz PC with the newest flash |
| 16:14.09 | e7th04sh | this is quite strange |
| 16:14.11 | pipeline | SD more or less works, 720p is a slideshow |
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| 16:14.25 | rking | pipeline: Something's not right about that. I'm nowhere near 3.4 GHz and I don't have any trouble |
| 16:14.32 | pipeline | if it makes you feel any better flash for osx is also horrible |
| 16:14.51 | pipeline | it's not like adobe just hates linux, obviously it's as well supported as all other non-windows platforms :D |
| 16:14.53 | enth | How much RAM does a clean boot of Emdebian Grip take upon a fresh install? |
| 16:14.54 | rking | You can try the Youtube HTML5 option |
| 16:14.58 | e7th04sh | true i sometiems get slideshow, but i am 2.0Ghz and i had a lot of unncessary load on cpu |
| 16:15.50 | e7th04sh | sheesh, stupid adobe is not gonna make me use windows |
| 16:16.06 | e7th04sh | rking what's that? |
| 16:16.08 | un214 | how do I find alternatives to xtightvncviewer? |
| 16:16.08 | e7th04sh | oooh |
| 16:16.12 | pipeline | flash isn't worth it anyway |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | pipeline: 64bit? |
| 16:16.15 | e7th04sh | i thought "flash html 5 ioption" |
| 16:16.16 | enth | un214: by googling them |
| 16:16.18 | pipeline | abrotman: no |
| 16:16.26 | abrotman | enth: there is an emdebian channel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:16.39 | enth | abrotman: thanks! |
| 16:16.59 | rking | pipeline: Sure it is. "Eat like an elephant, poop like a bird." I want to see everything available, though I'm not going to develop anything that causes others to go through contortions. |
| 16:17.18 | pipeline | rking: what are you even talking about ? |
| 16:17.36 | e7th04sh | what happens if i simply install the plugin from dobe.com from inside the firefox? |
| 16:18.24 | e7th04sh | pipeline: i think he means it's worth to be able to use flasg |
| 16:18.31 | e7th04sh | but not to develop anything upon it |
| 16:18.36 | rking | pipeline: You said Flash isn't worth it. If by that you mean "not worth installing/using," I say it is worth it to get access to what others have done (= Eating like an elephant). If by "not worth it" you mean not worth developing for, then I totally agree (= "Poop like a bird.") |
| 16:18.57 | e7th04sh | flash is a tragedy |
| 16:18.58 | pipeline | rking: still not worth it |
| 16:19.26 | e7th04sh | i am a hard-core capitalist, but i must say things like flash or web 2.0 make me wonder sometimes... |
| 16:19.33 | rking | e7th04sh: Btw, you can turn on html5 by going to: youtube.com/html5 (took me a minute to remember how to do that) |
| 16:20.09 | e7th04sh | rking does it avoid using flash entirely? i guess it won't work outside youtube domain, like in embedded youtube videos |
| 16:20.23 | pipeline | btw html5 youtube only makes certain videos available |
| 16:20.23 | rking | pipeline: So it is worth it to go through the web with little boxes that say, "Plugin needed" and get some sort of inverted satisfaction, "Ha. I'm outsmarting them... I can't see that content and I win." |
| 16:20.35 | pipeline | rking: I have a filtering proxy that removes garbage like that |
| 16:20.40 | e7th04sh | hehe |
| 16:20.45 | e7th04sh | i would say rking is just right |
| 16:21.06 | pipeline | I also don't have html5 plugins set up. Why the hell would I want to watch bits of video spliced into my web content ? |
| 16:21.10 | e7th04sh | tough this does not take a deman-on-supply effect |
| 16:21.15 | rking | e7th04sh: I'm not sure about the embedded case. But, even the normal videos it's hit-or-miss... I don't know how it decides when to fallback to flash, but it sometimes does even in the normal view. There are no ads in the HTML5 versions, btw. |
| 16:21.44 | e7th04sh | if you take effort to be able to see content that requires such unnecessary effort, liek fe. buying way better PC |
| 16:21.52 | rking | pipeline: Because it is a higher-bandwidth medium than static text, if used correctly. |
| 16:22.06 | e7th04sh | and then you somehow let the people who provide you witht such content earn a profit (fe. from the ads) |
| 16:22.13 | e7th04sh | you hint them, that there is a demand for that kind of content |
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| 16:23.23 | e7th04sh | pipeline perhaps because it allows the provider of content to organize it in more easthetic, powerful or simply time-saving way\ |
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| 16:23.56 | pipeline | e7th04sh: the www is not television, and it never will be. Tough shit, content providers. |
| 16:24.01 | e7th04sh | like you don't get information on where to look for a certain video, you can simply see it exactly at the place where in vanilla html it could only be referenced |
| 16:24.19 | e7th04sh | i'd say people like it this way |
| 16:24.23 | e7th04sh | and so it will be this way |
| 16:24.35 | e7th04sh | there is no underlying philosophy, just supply and demand :) |
| 16:26.06 | e7th04sh | btw is there any sort of service that attempts to broadcast heavy data, like for example video stream in a bandwith-conserving manner, like fe. establish a p2p network for the time of broadcast/ |
| 16:26.13 | e7th04sh | ? |
| 16:27.28 | rking | e7th04sh: He's just being stubborn. I wasn't sure if maybe we were miscommunicating, but no... he's just sticking his head in the sand. |
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| 16:27.49 | e7th04sh | i guess so, but isn't it what a debian-man ought to do? ;p |
| 16:28.03 | e7th04sh | "no proprietary software, even free, unless it's open" |
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| 16:28.42 | e7th04sh | i noticed many of debian fans tend to get angry if a tutorial hints use of "unholy" software |
| 16:28.48 | pythoned | Hello, I am an ubuntu user and would like to migrate to debian. What I what to know is what should I get, testing or stable? |
| 16:29.02 | e7th04sh | and a lot of them want to make it as hard as possible, making typical newcomer unable to make good use of his machine |
| 16:29.34 | e7th04sh | pythoned: testing will cause some minor headaaches, sure, but you get mostly latest releases of all software |
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| 16:29.52 | poisonbit | s/good/good intuitive and semi-magic (unfree minds)/ |
| 16:30.24 | NoReflex | hello! I have a machine with debian and I want to install two ssd's (raid1) in it. I've seen many use ext4 on ssd's. Currently I have 2.6.26-2 so no ext4 there. Is it worth to upgrade the kernel for ext4 or should I stich with ext3? |
| 16:30.25 | pythoned | e7th04sh: Minor headaches, like? |
| 16:30.49 | abrotman | pythoned: and this point, probably squeeze |
| 16:30.49 | e7th04sh | when you upgrade packages in testing you get new features, that were tested on unstable first |
| 16:31.12 | abrotman | NoReflex: that's up to you.. but you can easily get a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 16:31.12 | e7th04sh | sometimes a few minor bugs could go unnoticed and you may be the first to have to report them ;-) |
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| 16:31.35 | e7th04sh | pythoned: as abrotman says, squeeze is the choice now |
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| 16:31.45 | abrotman | well, squeeze is currently testing |
| 16:31.55 | e7th04sh | it's currently a frozen testing, which means since Augsut it received no new features in it;s packages |
| 16:32.13 | e7th04sh | current stable is way back now, and squeeze will soon be release - thus become new stable |
| 16:32.19 | rking | e7th04sh: I believe in the value of separating free from non-free... there are legal implications that it helps resolve. But to not use proprietary software you would have to never: drive a car, use a phone, use a watch, watch a movie anywhere, listen to a radio broadcast, use a microwave, or anything anyhere, pretty much. |
| 16:32.22 | pythoned | e7th04sh: Squeeze is testing right? |
| 16:32.38 | NoReflex | abrotman, I was thinking if i was going to upgrade the kernel I should also upgrade mdadm from 2.6.7 to 3x but I did not find a newer version in bakcports |
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| 16:32.42 | e7th04sh | pythoned: yes, at this moment it is, but a frozen one, so very close to being stable |
| 16:32.42 | abrotman | pythoned: currently, yes |
| 16:32.55 | abrotman | NoReflex: why? |
| 16:32.57 | pythoned | Thank you very much guys... |
| 16:33.03 | pythoned | Seems like I have a lot to learn. |
| 16:33.09 | pythoned | :) |
| 16:33.10 | e7th04sh | pythoned:nah, not really ;) |
| 16:33.16 | e7th04sh | pythoned: i learned it all yesterday :D |
| 16:33.43 | NoReflex | abrotman, I had a problem where the system hang because one of the drives in the array (raid10 with 4 HDDs) was failing |
| 16:33.49 | e7th04sh | pythoned: your machine can be either squeeze or testing, which is currently the same, but at one moment squeeze will become stable |
| 16:34.22 | e7th04sh | if you had a testing machine, you will experience a flow of tested packages from unstable, many fo which might still have undiscovered bugs, but they will also be much newer |
| 16:34.28 | johndoevodka | do you guys know of any linux program for simulating electric circuits? |
| 16:34.41 | e7th04sh | if you had a squeeze, he would become stable, so no new features from there on, only security updates |
| 16:34.57 | abrotman | johndoevodka: geda and xcircuit IIRC |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | johndoevodka: wait .. simulating or design? |
| 16:35.52 | e7th04sh | pythoned: i was adviced here to stick with squeeze, and when it ceases to be testing and becomes stable, wait a few weeks, until new testing (codename wheezy) gets operational |
| 16:36.03 | johndoevodka | abrotman: im not sure myself, design probably. i need to design a DC voltage amplifier |
| 16:36.18 | pythoned | abrotman: I'm a bit confused with the webpage, I found some info about Squeeze, but can you give me a link to were I can download it? |
| 16:36.18 | e7th04sh | whatever the case, it's not worth using stable/lenny any more for a desktop user tough |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | geda and xcircuit should work |
| 16:36.29 | e7th04sh | unless you want stable and secure environment, especially for a server |
| 16:36.31 | abrotman | pythoned: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:36.43 | pythoned | abrotman: Thank you so much. |
| 16:36.48 | johndoevodka | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:36.52 | abrotman | pythoned: i'd probably get the daily |
| 16:36.56 | e7th04sh | pythoned: i suppose you're better off downloading lenny netinst image |
| 16:37.26 | e7th04sh | pythoned: migrating from there to squeeze should be a piece of cake, i just did that yesterday |
| 16:37.41 | e7th04sh | ok i am off to feed my cancer |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | actually .. he'd be better off downloading the squeeze netinst |
| 16:37.47 | abrotman | he could help test it |
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| 16:38.03 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if anyone has written a version of dd that can resume transfer after crash |
| 16:38.06 | e7th04sh | abrotman: i would say... debian's better off if people download squeeze netinst ;-) |
| 16:38.23 | pythoned | Sure, if I can help, why not:P |
| 16:38.25 | poisonbit | JyZyXEL, define crash, there is ddrescue (static builds etc) |
| 16:38.28 | e7th04sh | ok, well i would advice pythoned to download both netinsts cd's tough |
| 16:38.34 | poisonbit | for continue on read errors |
| 16:38.44 | e7th04sh | pythoned: try squeeze as abrotman suggests, but be prepared to run into some problems |
| 16:38.44 | abrotman | why? that's a waste .. if you're going ot use squeeze, just install squeeze |
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| 16:38.55 | JyZyXEL | crash like a total freeze of kernel |
| 16:39.03 | e7th04sh | abrotman: i caught an impression that he can run into problems with squeeze netinst |
| 16:39.05 | JyZyXEL | or power loss |
| 16:39.12 | e7th04sh | i mean |
| 16:39.30 | e7th04sh | if there is something to be tested, perhaps it;s good to have a safe alternative\ |
| 16:39.38 | abrotman | e7th04sh: right .. and he can report those problems .. if he has any .. reporting bugs is a good thing |
| 16:39.51 | e7th04sh | sure, but to reprot them he would probably want a working pc |
| 16:39.57 | poisonbit | JyZyXEL, dd can seek to a position... if you're scripting, you can measure dst file and seek |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | he should use the squeeze netinst |
| 16:40.14 | e7th04sh | well, what if he is stuck with a non-working work-station then? |
| 16:40.20 | abrotman | i doubt he will |
| 16:40.31 | JyZyXEL | poisonbit: not possible if destination is a disk |
| 16:40.46 | e7th04sh | abrotman: so do i |
| 16:40.56 | JyZyXEL | or anything static length |
| 16:40.57 | abrotman | so why download both . .just get the squeeze netinst and be done |
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| 16:40.58 | e7th04sh | but saving up one cd ain;t worth the riskl |
| 16:41.07 | abrotman | i'm sure he'll be fine |
| 16:41.07 | poisonbit | JyZyXEL, right, I don't know any version of dd that continue where it was before a kernel crash :) |
| 16:41.18 | e7th04sh | ok, i am the inexperienced one here |
| 16:41.21 | e7th04sh | ;-) |
| 16:43.34 | poisonbit | abrotman, e7th04sh maybe the recomendations at freeze time, may include to (self)review the bug tracker to help on choosing a release |
| 16:43.46 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 16:44.06 | e7th04sh | idu? |
| 16:44.13 | abrotman | poisonbit: try again |
| 16:44.30 | poisonbit | that lenny or squeeze now... i think it's a personal choose... and current bugs maybe one of the points of decision |
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| 16:46.12 | poisonbit | when a #debian user ask for "stable or testing" i think that "evaluate current bugs" should be included in the answers |
| 16:46.20 | abrotman | poisonbit: there are fewer RC bugs in squeeze than in lenny |
| 16:46.27 | poisonbit | :) |
| 16:46.54 | e7th04sh | :> |
| 16:46.57 | abrotman | currently anyway |
| 16:47.24 | e7th04sh | so hmm, i should use backports to get adobe flash right? |
| 16:47.33 | e7th04sh | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:47.45 | e7th04sh | is this correct for squeeze? |
| 16:47.50 | e7th04sh | lenny is mentioned only |
| 16:48.09 | abrotman | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:48.11 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.2~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
| 16:48.38 | poisonbit | e7th04sh, backports use to be only for stable |
| 16:48.53 | poisonbit | e7th04sh, backports.debian.org |
| 16:48.55 | e7th04sh | poisonbit: however the adobe flash plugin is in sid |
| 16:49.25 | poisonbit | it is in every "taste" including old-stable |
| 16:49.35 | poisonbit | the "package", not the "backport" |
| 16:49.37 | abrotman | e7th04sh: use contrib, you don't need backports |
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| 16:53.19 | e7th04sh | ok i see it now |
| 16:53.25 | e7th04sh | i'll check what it recommends |
| 16:54.46 | e7th04sh | ok, let's see if that works... |
| 16:56.55 | e7th04sh | \o/ |
| 16:57.01 | e7th04sh | yay, flash is working quite fast |
| 16:57.02 | stew | sure lenny might currently have more RC bugs, but how many of them are the flavor of "contents change when built twice in a row", which don't affect usability |
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| 17:02.43 | e7th04sh | ok, so i want to install pidgin now |
| 17:03.05 | e7th04sh | a single application requires 51 other packages |
| 17:03.16 | e7th04sh | like fe. certain audio libraries |
| 17:03.25 | e7th04sh | i wonder why can't IM client work without sound? |
| 17:03.32 | pipeline | it works fine without sound |
| 17:03.33 | poisonbit | requires? depend? recommend? suggest? |
| 17:04.12 | e7th04sh | aptitude says something like "packets installed automatically to fullfil the dependecies" |
| 17:04.18 | pipeline | apt-cache show pidgin |
| 17:04.22 | pipeline | pidgin depends on libgstreamer |
| 17:04.29 | pipeline | so you will have sound support in pidgin whether you choose to use it or not |
| 17:04.35 | pipeline | if you don't like it, well, apt-get source and build it your own damn self |
| 17:04.54 | e7th04sh | hey come on, i am just trying to get a fast neat debian |
| 17:05.07 | pipeline | you're obsessing over something pointless |
| 17:05.18 | pipeline | it's desktop software, so it has an *enormous* attack surface, even without sound |
| 17:05.27 | pipeline | disk space is cheap, those 54 libraries combined won't cost you a full nickel |
| 17:05.34 | e7th04sh | i understand |
| 17:05.43 | e7th04sh | but you don't understand my problem with it |
| 17:05.49 | pipeline | your problem is trivial |
| 17:05.56 | pipeline | I am dismissing it |
| 17:05.56 | e7th04sh | your understanding of it is absent |
| 17:06.03 | poisonbit | profile your system and usual actions, find bottlenecks, tune them |
| 17:06.25 | e7th04sh | my problem is the more such libraries i install, the more unresolvable conflicts i will run into lateer on |
| 17:06.39 | e7th04sh | the harder it will get to troubleshoot whatever i will have to, in the future |
| 17:06.43 | jhutchins_lt | pidgin is gnomish, gnome packages are not known for their economy. |
| 17:07.19 | e7th04sh | shouldn't it recommend the audio instead of depend on it anyways :/ |
| 17:07.33 | franki^ | If you don't want to install so many packages, use bitlbee with irssi or something. ;) |
| 17:08.05 | e7th04sh | lol |
| 17:08.14 | Coweater | um, gstreamer is a reccomends for pidgin |
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| 17:08.57 | pipeline | Coweater: it's actually a depends |
| 17:09.17 | pipeline | e7th04sh: doesn't work that way -- you build pidgin with or without gstreamer, it's not a plugin like most other gstreamer features |
| 17:09.28 | pipeline | e7th04sh: however, the gstreamer plugins, to make gstreamer useful -- that part is a recommend, not a depend ;) |
| 17:09.39 | e7th04sh | O_o |
| 17:10.00 | Coweater | p.d.o says recommends for lenny and squeeze |
| 17:10.01 | e7th04sh | oh i get it ok |
| 17:10.17 | pipeline | Coweater: in sid, libgstreamer is a dependency |
| 17:10.20 | franki^ | gstreamer is a recommends for me, on Squeeze |
| 17:11.16 | e7th04sh | i have something along the lines `pidgin-data has an invalid dependency type to libpurple0' |
| 17:11.55 | e7th04sh | what does it mean? (aptitude) |
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| 17:15.21 | thms | !testing |
| 17:15.22 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 17:15.45 | poisonbit | e7th04sh, see bug #598959 for that message |
| 17:15.51 | e7th04sh | thanks |
| 17:16.58 | poisonbit | cosmetic issue |
| 17:17.32 | e7th04sh | i'll try to google to find what it means |
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| 17:18.52 | poisonbit | If you make aptitude show blabla, you may find Enhances: lines, aptitude just doesn't take well that line, but Enhances are merely informative |
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| 17:20.26 | e7th04sh | ok, thank you |
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| 17:27.48 | superlinux | hi. my arabic song names are not well inside totem or else. they are for sure windows char encoded. so how should I display them correctly? |
| 17:28.27 | rudi_s | Hi again. I'm having a little problem with the console (not in X11). Bold colors are not displayed and only 8 colors are supported. Can this be fixed? Thanks. |
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| 17:30.20 | porton | How to remove a printer from the list of printers on the system? |
| 17:31.03 | fbs | edit it in cups |
| 17:31.07 | fbs | localhost:631 iirc |
| 17:31.29 | porton | fbs: How to edit it in CUPS? |
| 17:31.49 | fbs | go to administartion or smth? |
| 17:31.53 | fbs | have you even looked? |
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| 17:47.27 | he2 | is there a way to block ad in the internet while using iceweasel? |
| 17:50.05 | jhutchins_lt | he2: Yes. |
| 17:50.32 | JPT | adblock extension |
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| 17:53.46 | mariok | good evening. |
| 17:54.01 | mariok | I want to disable the Frame buffer completly. how can I do that? |
| 17:54.08 | he2 | jhutchins_lt, JPT i installed it via source-list but i'm still seeing ad |
| 17:54.18 | mariok | vga=normal does not work. vga=769 does also not work |
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| 17:54.45 | jhutchins_lt | he2: Did you subscribe to a list? |
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| 17:57.20 | mariok | what can I do to get ride of the frame buffer?~ |
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| 18:00.43 | mariok | I tried google also and I can't found a proper solution. Can you please give me a hint where to look at? |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | !fb |
| 18:00.49 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 18:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: The method depends on which release/kernel you're running. |
| 18:04.50 | mariok | the boot parameter video=vga16:off has also no effect |
| 18:05.05 | mariok | I run Debian GNU/Linux squeeze |
| 18:05.43 | mariok | I just want to have a resolution of 640x480 in the console. with or without the Framebuffer does not matter. |
| 18:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: Ok, it's built into the kernel in squeeze. What chipset do you have? |
| 18:05.55 | abrotman | are you sure it's a framebuffer? |
| 18:06.25 | mariok | because the resolution is much higher then 640x480 it must be frame buffer. |
| 18:06.55 | mariok | or is there something else which could setthe resolution of the console to more the 640x480 ? |
| 18:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 18:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | !kms |
| 18:07.31 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 18:09.16 | mariok | ahh. I did'nt know about KMS since now. |
| 18:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, more likely to find info under kms now rather than framebuffer. |
| 18:12.55 | mariok | it still does not work. but I think a should google first about "kms nomodeset" to find a solution |
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| 18:16.27 | thepro4ever | how do i know what version of opengl is installed on my linux box? |
| 18:17.25 | pipeline | thepro4ever: glxinfo will tell you about the active opengl library. |
| 18:17.40 | JyZyXEL | if i want my server to write logs to another machine is there any sense to set up NFS, instead of just using sshfs? |
| 18:17.55 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: use syslog |
| 18:17.58 | JyZyXEL | in a home lan environment |
| 18:18.02 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: there's a dedicated protocol for this purpose |
| 18:18.16 | thepro4ever | pipeline: glxinfo does not exist |
| 18:18.23 | JyZyXEL | pipeline: it works for all logs files on every program? |
| 18:18.28 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: typically, yes |
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| 18:19.06 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: very nearly every piece of software expects to talk to the local syslog daemon. Normally syslog just writes the log to disk (/var/log is 99% syslog's work) but you can have it write messages over the network to a remote syslog daemon |
| 18:19.32 | JyZyXEL | the software i log doesn't talk to any daemons |
| 18:19.37 | JyZyXEL | it just writes to a file |
| 18:19.44 | pipeline | that's pretty unusual dude |
| 18:19.47 | pipeline | what is it ? |
| 18:19.57 | JyZyXEL | something i made myself |
| 18:20.02 | pipeline | then you should fix it |
| 18:20.05 | pipeline | nfs is a pretty ugly hack |
| 18:20.07 | JyZyXEL | its not broken |
| 18:20.15 | pipeline | also what happens if the system crashes in the middle of things ? |
| 18:20.22 | pipeline | with syslog your log messages usually fly free before the system goes down :) |
| 18:20.26 | JyZyXEL | who cares |
| 18:20.38 | JyZyXEL | not everyting is dead serious |
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| 18:21.08 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna know if setting up NFS has any gain over sshfs |
| 18:21.46 | mariok | okay I have it. the boot parameter "video=640x480" was the solution |
| 18:21.52 | mariok | thanks for helping me |
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| 18:45.47 | e7th04sh | iotop |
| 18:45.50 | e7th04sh | umm |
| 18:49.53 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 19:10.31 | e7th04sh | so now i would like to pick a mail client |
| 19:10.44 | e7th04sh | i tried googling for some website to help me choose |
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| 19:10.49 | jordanm | !mua |
| 19:10.49 | dpkg | [mua] a Mail User Agent, in other words <mutt>, <balsa>, <pine>, <elm>, <icedove> (thunderbird), <kmail>, <evolution>, or any other mail client program. |
| 19:10.55 | jordanm | !start a mua war |
| 19:10.55 | dpkg | CMC Mail Client rules! |
| 19:11.04 | e7th04sh | lol |
| 19:11.50 | e7th04sh | jordanm: do you happen to know about some website which allows me to browse possible clients with filters, like GUI & Linux, but others too? |
| 19:12.02 | e7th04sh | or a test that tries to pick one for me? |
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| 19:12.40 | jordanm | what mail client did you use previously? |
| 19:13.02 | e7th04sh | recently none, i used thunderbird some time ago |
| 19:13.20 | jordanm | well, if you liked thunderbird, go with icedove |
| 19:13.26 | franki^ | If you like pidgin, you probably want icedove, or maybe kmail (I've never actually used kmail..) |
| 19:13.36 | franki^ | But, Icedove is good :) |
| 19:13.59 | e7th04sh | i don't really like pidgin, i just ue it because it supports Gadu-Gadu, polish predominant IM network |
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| 19:14.51 | thepro4ever | is there an easy way to find out what packages in the repo contain a particular headerfile? i'm trying to find out what package I need to install for GLTools.h |
| 19:15.06 | e7th04sh | apt-file ? |
| 19:15.33 | e7th04sh | but shouldn;t you just install some *gl*-dev package? |
| 19:15.45 | e7th04sh | your desired header might be in some obscure package |
| 19:16.17 | e7th04sh | intended to be installed only as a dependancy, but i dunno, not experienced |
| 19:16.41 | e7th04sh | anyways, i would want a mail client that has the basic capabilities of an online one |
| 19:16.46 | e7th04sh | webmail |
| 19:16.57 | thepro4ever | apt-file is not a valid command |
| 19:16.59 | e7th04sh | and is generally not power-hungry |
| 19:17.05 | jordanm | e7th04sh: that would include all of them |
| 19:17.08 | jordanm | !installit |
| 19:17.08 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:17.20 | e7th04sh | thepro4ever: apt-get install apt-file |
| 19:17.25 | e7th04sh | i suppose |
| 19:18.05 | e7th04sh | jordanm: i know every client is better than webmail when it comes to features, but at the same time i want only the basic functionality of, say, gmail |
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| 19:18.32 | e7th04sh | anything above that is onyl fine if it comes with no disadvantages like helluva shared libraries |
| 19:18.32 | jordanm | e7th04sh: there is a gmail extension for icedove to make it more gmail-like |
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| 19:22.01 | e7th04sh | i suppose i should choose between ice-dove, evolution and balsa |
| 19:22.23 | jordanm | !balsa |
| 19:22.24 | dpkg | hmm... balsa is a <GNOME> email client or you might as well use a decent <MUA> rather than this, or at http://pawsa.fedorapeople.org/balsa/ |
| 19:22.26 | e7th04sh | if running in background all the time, which one of them will eat least cpu? |
| 19:22.35 | jordanm | had never heard of it |
| 19:22.48 | e7th04sh | hmm |
| 19:22.52 | jordanm | I doubt any of them eat much CPU |
| 19:23.05 | jordanm | probably more RAM and io intensive |
| 19:23.18 | jordanm | lunch break is over. back to work for me |
| 19:23.35 | e7th04sh | yeah, well that's important then |
| 19:23.41 | e7th04sh | thanks anyways |
| 19:28.24 | thepro4ever | i can't figure out what package GLTools comes from |
| 19:28.54 | kaluva | apt-file didn't help? |
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| 19:29.56 | thepro4ever | no |
| 19:30.07 | thepro4ever | it didn't return any results |
| 19:31.22 | kaluva | thepro4ever: Then try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 19:33.11 | thepro4ever | its not there either |
| 19:33.19 | kotique | I've got a package repo. How do I add it properly? http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny/ |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | man sources.list should tell you |
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| 19:35.31 | kotique | how do i find what releases should I put there? |
| 19:36.42 | kaluva | thepro4ever: Then it's not in any debian package. Simple. |
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| 19:41.53 | e7th04sh | ok now how to find out whether my Radeon is working with proper driver?\ |
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| 19:49.27 | e7th04sh | i guees i need 512 RAM |
| 19:49.49 | e7th04sh | i just installed iceweasel, icedove and pidgin and it seems a lot of stuff is kept in swapfile already |
| 19:49.55 | franki^ | e7th04sh: lshw should give you information about hardware and the drivers you're using |
| 19:50.17 | e7th04sh | whenever someone writes to me the sound to be played is loaded from hard drive |
| 19:50.21 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I recommend running "lshw > hw.txt" or something, then you can look through the output at your leisure |
| 19:50.37 | franki^ | Heh, that's not so good. :s |
| 19:50.37 | e7th04sh | i get informed of pending conversation thanks yto hard drive noises long before i hear the sound |
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| 19:50.58 | kotique | I've got a package repo. How do I add it properly? http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny/ |
| 19:51.10 | e7th04sh | hard drive noises and of course the short performance decrease that comes gratis with it |
| 19:51.18 | e7th04sh | thanks for the lshw i'll check it |
| 19:51.28 | e7th04sh | now, perhaps i can grep it with something to have less of a lecture? |
| 19:51.33 | e7th04sh | reading* |
| 19:51.50 | e7th04sh | (lektura is reading in polish, i sometiems make this mistake, lecture is when some talks, in english right?) |
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| 19:52.00 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Yes :) |
| 19:52.01 | kaluva | kotique: man sources.list did not answer your question? |
| 19:52.26 | kotique | kaluva, how do I find what distro and components should I put there? |
| 19:52.28 | franki^ | e7th04sh: And, you can then grep the text file rather than runnin lshw | grep every time, which is slow |
| 19:52.47 | franki^ | s/runnin/running/ |
| 19:52.51 | kaluva | kotique: Did you set up your repo so it uses distro and component? |
| 19:52.56 | e7th04sh | yeah, that's good idea, tough what should i grep it with? |
| 19:53.09 | kotique | kaluva, that's not my repo. that's a repo I found on internet. |
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| 19:53.15 | kotique | now, how do I add it? |
| 19:53.33 | jhutchins | e7th04sh: How much ram do you have? |
| 19:54.09 | UukGoblin | hi guys; I've started a netboot installer in expert mode, and it's all nice and allows me to get extra packages for installation - what's "the" way to get extra packages installed? I'm particularly interested in nfs-common |
| 19:54.24 | franki^ | e7th04sh: "grep -e driver hw.txt" should show you something interesting |
| 19:54.25 | kaluva | kotique: The uri should be everything including debian, the distribution lenny. That should work |
| 19:54.30 | UukGoblin | is there a way to run apt-get or dpkg from the installer shell? |
| 19:55.10 | kotique | kaluva, deb http://chaschperli.ch/debian lenny main ? doesn' work |
| 19:55.21 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I'm not sure which driver you want to be using, but for me, I see a line that says " configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0" |
| 19:55.32 | NoReflex | hello! anyone using SSDs for storing databases? I'm not sure how they perform with writes? Do they wear out fast? |
| 19:56.03 | e7th04sh | jhutchins: 256 |
| 19:56.09 | e7th04sh | +768 swapspace |
| 19:56.11 | UukGoblin | (I mean, nfs-common isn't on the list of 'extra' packages, but I want it installed anyhow) |
| 19:56.33 | e7th04sh | franki^: i have pretty old Radeon, 9200 or something |
| 19:56.54 | e7th04sh | i don't know what driver would give best performance, but that would, probably, be the one i would like to ue |
| 19:57.01 | kaluva | kotique: Oh yeah, right. Try everything as the URI, with nothing behind |
| 19:57.20 | franki^ | !radeon |
| 19:57.21 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. |
| 19:57.30 | kotique | E: Malformed line 18 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) |
| 19:57.32 | franki^ | !radeon firmware |
| 19:57.32 | dpkg | In Squeeze, binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel. |
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| 19:57.37 | franki^ | !radeonhd |
| 19:57.38 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the alternative open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and (since version 1.2.2) R7xx chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>, <radeon vs radeonhd>, <fglrx>. |
| 19:57.39 | kotique | deb http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny |
| 19:57.58 | kaluva | Yeah |
| 19:58.19 | kotique | okay, anyone else knowing what's the right way to add that repo? |
| 19:58.35 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I've never used a Radeon card/driver, sorry. But, hopefully some of these links should tell you what you want. Or maybe someone else here can. |
| 19:58.36 | kotique | because man sources.list says I should use both distro and component thunks |
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| 19:58.47 | e7th04sh | yeah, i did that before with help from people of this channel |
| 19:59.11 | e7th04sh | i just know that last time throughout several months of use of my debian i must've screwed up a lot |
| 19:59.22 | e7th04sh | that's why i ask about almost everything |
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| 20:03.38 | nsadmin | kotique: look at the url. first, does it exist? |
| 20:03.39 | franki^ | e7th04sh: It's good to ask, and to talk to other Debian users. :) |
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| 20:03.56 | kotique | nsadmin, I want to install a package from http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny/ dir, how do I add it to repo list? |
| 20:03.57 | nsadmin | also follow along with man 5 sources.list |
| 20:04.01 | nsadmin | kotique: look at the url. first, does it exist? |
| 20:04.05 | kotique | yep |
| 20:04.10 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.13 | UukGoblin | or in other words, what does the debian installer use to install the installer packages? |
| 20:04.13 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Unfortunately, I'm not that expert myself. And I'm having a lot of toruble setting up Gnus at the moment! D: |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | kotique: the man page can help you do this .. did you even read it? |
| 20:04.24 | UukGoblin | it seems to be able of resolving dependencies |
| 20:05.09 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.13 | kotique | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 20:05.20 | kotique | there are no stable , main dirs there |
| 20:05.22 | jhutchins | kotique: The site should have instructions on how to add it as a source. If it doesn't, it's probably a sign that it's not to be trusted. |
| 20:05.38 | kotique | come on, guys, what's up with all this/ |
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| 20:06.02 | kotique | Do we have someone actually knowing debian package management on the channel? |
| 20:06.13 | abrotman | lots of people .. man sources.list is all you need |
| 20:06.15 | nsadmin | the man page says there are two different kinds of aptable repos |
| 20:06.27 | jhutchins | kotique: What we don't know is how your obscure site is set up. You need information from them, not from us. |
| 20:06.56 | kotique | it's not my site, I want to use damn package from that repo. How do I add that repo? |
| 20:06.57 | nsadmin | what I do to discover, is I look at the url to see if it has "dists" |
| 20:07.04 | nsadmin | if yes, it's a mirror |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | that's not what that means |
| 20:07.15 | nsadmin | if no, it's a more simple structure |
| 20:07.17 | kotique | It's a private repository, non officdial |
| 20:07.27 | kotique | like of a man builiding his own packages |
| 20:07.31 | nsadmin | so there will not be a dists dir there |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | the word "dists" doesn't imply anything ... |
| 20:07.44 | kotique | come on, I see "Packages", "sources" files in ther |
| 20:08.00 | kotique | it means it's under control of some debian package management |
| 20:08.09 | kotique | or repo mgmt system |
| 20:08.30 | nsadmin | if you don't see dists, it is not set up like a mirror |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: that is not what that means |
| 20:08.39 | kotique | Just don't want to download all those *.deb files. Want to have it automatically roll out. |
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| 20:08.59 | WaterRatj | I'm trying to ./file but says command not found |
| 20:09.12 | kotique | WaterRatj, which file |
| 20:09.20 | jhutchins | kotique: You need to get information from whoever maintains the site about how they have structured their repository. It doesn't look like a standard debian structure. |
| 20:09.24 | WaterRatj | bin file i downloaded from steam |
| 20:09.48 | kotique | WaterRatj, chmod +x file; ./file |
| 20:10.09 | WaterRatj | -bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory |
| 20:10.18 | WaterRatj | after the chmod |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins | kotique: What are you trying to get from that site? |
| 20:10.44 | e7th04sh | franki^: sorry, i don't even know Gnus |
| 20:10.48 | e7th04sh | ;-) |
| 20:10.50 | e7th04sh | !gnu |
| 20:10.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System. http://www.gnu.org/ #gnu on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:10.52 | e7th04sh | !gnus |
| 20:11.01 | abrotman | e7th04sh: msg the bot please |
| 20:11.07 | e7th04sh | see? if dpkg doesn't know it it doesn't exist |
| 20:11.10 | e7th04sh | abrotman: sorry ;p |
| 20:11.31 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Gnus is a mail/news reader for Emacs. :) |
| 20:11.52 | nsadmin | e7th04sh, try google (and are you sure that's what you want) |
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| 20:12.15 | kotique | http://chaschperli.ch/debian/lenny/bacula_5.0.3-1~bpo50+1_all.deb and its deps |
| 20:12.19 | e7th04sh | nsadmin: i was just talking to franki, sorry for confusion and microflood |
| 20:12.34 | nsadmin | still try google |
| 20:12.54 | kotique | WaterRatj, file ./hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 20:13.46 | WaterRatj | ? |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | it's a command, run it |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | judd: versions bacula |
| 20:14.09 | judd | Package bacula on i386 -- etch: 1.38.11-8; etch-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.4-1; lenny-backports: 5.0.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.0.2-2; squeeze: 5.0.2-2 |
| 20:14.21 | kotique | I need 5.0.3. |
| 20:14.26 | WaterRatj | gmod@styx:~/srcds$ file ./hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 20:14.26 | WaterRatj | -bash: file: command not found |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | WaterRatj: is this even debian ? |
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| 20:14.48 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 20:15.03 | kotique | WaterRatj, aptitude install file |
| 20:15.05 | jhutchins | ,versions backula |
| 20:15.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'backula' was found in i386. |
| 20:15.08 | blueyed | Is there something like Launchpad's/Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives for Debian? |
| 20:15.12 | jhutchins | ,versions bacula |
| 20:15.14 | judd | Package bacula on i386 -- etch: 1.38.11-8; etch-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.4-1; lenny-backports: 5.0.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.0.2-2; squeeze: 5.0.2-2 |
| 20:15.23 | kotique | i'm sick of 5.0.2's bugs |
| 20:15.36 | abrotman | are you sure those bugs still exist in the Debian packages? |
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| 20:15.42 | kotique | #bacula channel is full of my bug complains already |
| 20:15.51 | abrotman | i'll take that as a no |
| 20:15.55 | blueyed | ,versions php5-memcache |
| 20:15.57 | judd | Package php5-memcache on i386 -- etch: 2.0.1-1.1; lenny: 3.0.1-1; sid: 3.0.4-4; squeeze: 3.0.4-4 |
| 20:16.09 | blueyed | ,versions php5-xdebug |
| 20:16.09 | judd | Package php5-xdebug on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.3-1; sid: 2.1.0-1; squeeze: 2.1.0-1 |
| 20:16.20 | abrotman | blueyed: packages.debian.org/php5 .. |
| 20:16.56 | abrotman | blueyed: and no .. there's no PPA for Debian |
| 20:17.04 | blueyed | abrotman: thanks (and I know about pdo). I am just upgrading a Hardy box to Testing and those got removed. |
| 20:17.06 | jhutchins | kotique: Where did you find this source for it? |
| 20:17.15 | abrotman | blueyed: you can't go from ubuntu to Debian |
| 20:17.20 | blueyed | abrotman: anything planned? This is very useful. |
| 20:17.20 | kotique | http://www.adsm.org/lists/html/Bacula-users/2010-09/msg00199.html |
| 20:17.39 | blueyed | abrotman: I can.. why not? 10+ boxes upgraded like that already. |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | blueyed: i hope not, it's a horrible idea |
| 20:18.17 | blueyed | abrotman: why? it allow anyone to easily distribute Debian packages.. nothing bad about that.. |
| 20:18.22 | nsadmin | blueyed, for sure, it wasn't designed like that |
| 20:18.29 | abrotman | blueyed: it's an awful idea |
| 20:18.48 | abrotman | blueyed: "Hey I know, take these random packages and install them as root on your system" ... welcome to windows .. fantastic |
| 20:19.12 | blueyed | abrotman: it's easier than setting up a local archive. also, packages get built remotely etc.. |
| 20:19.24 | abrotman | at least you know who built them |
| 20:19.25 | nsadmin | abrotman, so you're poking at his idea instead of saying why it's bad |
| 20:19.27 | stew | blueyed: who audits the packages to make sure they are policy complaint and not harmful? |
| 20:19.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: i said why it's bad .. it's pretty obvious why it's bad |
| 20:19.54 | nsadmin | to whom? |
| 20:19.55 | blueyed | abrotman: what's the difference to "take this .deb" and install it? - apart from that you won't get updates with the .deb only. Also, I want to use it for myself |
| 20:20.14 | blueyed | stew: who audits every .deb out there? |
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| 20:20.27 | abrotman | blueyed: you mean "out there" or in Debian ? |
| 20:21.04 | blueyed | abrotman: "out there" as in "get this .deb" on some website. |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | that's the same as using PPA |
| 20:21.32 | blueyed | but ppas are updatable. |
| 20:21.46 | abrotman | They're still not audited |
| 20:21.47 | nsadmin | blueyed: the point is that ubuntu doesn't audit debian packages it doesn't use, and debian doesn't audit any ubuntu packages... because of this, there is minimal communication about how they should work together |
| 20:21.47 | blueyed | and ppas allow for centralized hosting. |
| 20:21.48 | jhutchins | kotique: I would suggest that you chase the thread back to whoever created the repo, and possibly contact them for the correct configuration, or better yet use uupdate to build your own package from sources that can be verified and trusted. |
| 20:21.49 | blueyed | etc |
| 20:21.56 | jhutchins | !tell kotique about uupdate |
| 20:22.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: uhm .. that's not the point at all |
| 20:22.30 | blueyed | nsadmin: I do not talk about working together, but just ask if there is something _like_ ppas for debian. |
| 20:22.32 | kotique | jhutchins, wait, are you trying to tell me that that link doesn't contain a correct standartized debian repo? |
| 20:22.33 | nsadmin | checks abrotman's mood... and wonders why the personal picking |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | wonders why nsadmin keeps missing the question and giving bad answers |
| 20:22.53 | nsadmin | you're not backing up what you're saying |
| 20:23.20 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 20:23.21 | nsadmin | oh, the dists thing. disprove it. |
| 20:23.33 | jhutchins | kotique: It might, but we don't know how it's been structured, so we can't tell you how to configure the source line. The guy who set it up can, but we don't know who he is, we can't verify his identity, and we can't vouch for the safety of his code. |
| 20:23.40 | kaluva | kotique: Maybe not. But you can use it as repo in sources.list. I just can't remeber the correct syntax right now. |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | blueyed: the PPA thing isn't part of debian, there are unofficial sources, but Debian does NOT condone them |
| 20:23.59 | kotique | I though files "Packages", "Release" and "Sources" , -- especially realease are somewhat "offical" indicators of debian repo. |
| 20:24.00 | jhutchins | kotique: For something a scritical as backup, I would think you would want to be a lot closer to a signed, verified source. |
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| 20:24.04 | kaluva | abrotman, nsadmin: Care to take this somewhere else? |
| 20:24.06 | e7th04sh | anyways, would you care to point me to some irc network that has social channels like #politics etc? |
| 20:24.16 | abrotman | isn't talking to nsadmin ? |
| 20:24.20 | kaluva | kotique: No, nothinbg official. Anyone can do that. I did at some point. |
| 20:24.21 | blueyed | abrotman: I know that there is something like dotdebs and backports (which is now official). However, this does not allow anyone to easily create repos. |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins | kotique: It's not official by any means. It may be working, but it's not official. |
| 20:24.35 | franki^ | e7th04sh: Freenode has plenty of social channels |
| 20:24.47 | franki^ | e7th04sh: I'm not sure that I'd recommend them though :D |
| 20:24.50 | jhutchins | kotique: It may be perfectly good, but if it were malware how would you know? |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | blueyed: there's a website called apt-get.org .. has tons of unofficial repos .. Debian doesn't host htem, debian doesn't condone them .. your call |
| 20:25.26 | kotique | jhutchins, I don't get it. I mean, I am totally sure the guy is using standard debian system, with apt-get or aptitude, which use sources.list file. I'm sure he added his repo on some of his machines. |
| 20:25.26 | jhutchins | e7th04sh: irc.undernet.org |
| 20:25.41 | kotique | Are you tryting to tell me that there is no standard way of specifying your repo? |
| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | kotique: Yes, he structured his differently. |
| 20:26.18 | stew | blueyed: i'm on the team that does, the ftp-master team |
| 20:26.19 | blueyed | abrotman: ok, that's something similar, but does not allow to easily create repos like Launchpad/PPA. However, thanks for your answers. |
| 20:26.19 | e7th04sh | ok, a relog now, bbs |
| 20:26.29 | stew | blueyed: /msg dpkg repository |
| 20:26.54 | nsadmin | kotique: have you read the man page yet? |
| 20:27.47 | kaluva | kotique: I've found it. "deb uri ./" |
| 20:28.33 | kotique | nsadmin, the question was not in sources.list format, but in repo structure. I didn't know distro and components to put in ther. |
| 20:28.37 | kotique | kaluva, let me try. |
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| 20:28.58 | jhutchins | kotique: Why not build your own with uupdate? |
| 20:29.16 | kotique | jhutchins, thanks for the link, i'm gonna do that of course |
| 20:29.26 | kotique | but mainly because this is my 2nd day with debian |
| 20:29.27 | blueyed | stew: ftp-masters of debian? How is you "/msg dpkg repository" hint related to my something-like-a-phenomenal-ppa question? |
| 20:29.35 | e7th04sh | So, about my radeon. It's rv280 - there is r200-fajmily listed among chipsets that can benefit from nonfree drivers |
| 20:29.44 | e7th04sh | is rv280 one of that family or not? |
| 20:30.37 | jhutchins | e7th04sh: Yes. |
| 20:30.48 | jhutchins | Er, maybe not, rv vs r. |
| 20:31.18 | e7th04sh | exactly my doubt |
| 20:31.30 | UukGoblin | I managed to install sshfs manually instead |
| 20:31.30 | kaluva | e7th04sh: Reading wikipedia, it's a r100 |
| 20:31.42 | e7th04sh | :o |
| 20:31.42 | UukGoblin | how can I trick the installer into skipping the 'Partition disks' phase? |
| 20:31.52 | UukGoblin | and go straight into installing to /target ? |
| 20:32.02 | jhutchins | UukGoblin: Which installer? |
| 20:32.13 | UukGoblin | jhutchins, the netboot installer in expert mode |
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| 20:32.25 | jhutchins | UukGoblin: Which release? |
| 20:32.31 | UukGoblin | jhutchins, sid |
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| 20:32.37 | UukGoblin | on amd64 |
| 20:32.39 | cosmos2 | hi |
| 20:32.47 | jhutchins | UukGoblin: Sorry, no knowledge of any current sid installer. |
| 20:32.52 | cosmos2 | some openjdk devs? |
| 20:33.19 | jhutchins | cosmos2: Nope, Debian support. |
| 20:33.24 | kaluva | cosmos2: Actual developers, or simply users? |
| 20:33.58 | cosmos2 | I'm trying to install Arduino on armel, and I get this error: |
| 20:34.00 | cosmos2 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError |
| 20:34.00 | cosmos2 | at processing.app.Base.main(Unknown Source) |
| 20:34.00 | cosmos2 | Caused by: java.awt.HeadlessException: |
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| 20:34.55 | cosmos2 | ok pastebin naxt |
| 20:35.29 | jhutchins | cosmos2: There is an openjdk channel on oftc.net |
| 20:36.04 | e7th04sh | kaluva: it seems it's actually r200 |
| 20:36.35 | e7th04sh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units |
| 20:38.00 | kaluva | e7th04sh: To me that page says it's an r100 |
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| 20:39.17 | WaterRatj | abrotman: Seems I need a lib but it won't install |
| 20:39.19 | cosmos2 | jhutchins: thanks I connect |
| 20:39.24 | imc | hello, i'm trying to get debian armel to work on my archos5, and boot does not complete because /etc/init.d/hal start blocks |
| 20:39.43 | imc | i would like to know how to configure hal on debian (i.e. removing unnecessary "fdi" files) |
| 20:40.03 | imc | (for instance i will never attach a scanner to my archos i think, nor a keyboard) |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | WaterRatj: we would need more details |
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| 20:41.12 | WaterRatj | it says "If you get this error "bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory" you may be missing lib32gcc1. " so i try apt-get install lib32gcc1 but then it says E: Couldn't find package lib32gcc1 |
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| 20:43.09 | abrotman | WaterRatj: apt-cache search lib32gcc1 .. see anything ? |
| 20:43.36 | WaterRatj | no |
| 20:43.43 | abrotman | lib32gcc ? |
| 20:43.52 | WaterRatj | also not |
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| 20:44.05 | e7th04sh | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Troubleshooting <--- i think i had this bug on my R200 chip too |
| 20:44.06 | CissWit | WaterRatj: which version are you running ? |
| 20:44.07 | kaluva | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents? |
| 20:44.09 | jitterer | libgcc1 ? |
| 20:44.10 | CissWit | Og debian ? |
| 20:44.12 | CissWit | of* |
| 20:44.22 | bAndie9100 | hi all! i cannot find the property driver for my usb wifi dongle (0ace:1215) under debian lenny |
| 20:45.08 | WaterRatj | Debian 5.0 (Lenny) |
| 20:45.21 | bAndie9100 | module zd1211rw loads automatically but not finds hotspots, however other PCs found at same location |
| 20:45.23 | CissWit | WaterRatj: 32 bits ? |
| 20:45.26 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 20:45.52 | CissWit | the you don't have any lib32gcc1 |
| 20:45.55 | CissWit | only libgcc1 |
| 20:46.32 | CissWit | lib32gcc1 is the 32bit version of libgcc1 for 64bit arch |
| 20:47.02 | WaterRatj | So what should I install to be able to run my app? |
| 20:47.13 | CissWit | try to install libgcc1 |
| 20:47.25 | WaterRatj | itays its already installed |
| 20:48.20 | kaluva | WaterRatj: That's a strange error message. Never seen bash suggesting a missing lib |
| 20:48.45 | WaterRatj | me neither ^^ |
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| 20:49.19 | kaluva | WaterRatj: However, it looks exatcly like http://wiki.garrysmod.com/?title=Linux_Dedicated_Server_Setup |
| 20:49.52 | little_owl | Hi all, how to run a file, stored on a DVD (readonly), without an executable flag? |
| 20:49.53 | WaterRatj | yeah thats what i'm followoing |
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| 20:51.19 | kaluva | WaterRatj: Then has it occurred to you that bash is not actually suggesting a missing lib? But that the wiki is? And the wiki might be talking about a problem you don't have? |
| 20:51.47 | WaterRatj | The how do I start the program? lol |
| 20:52.13 | simonrvn | 'lol' is not punctuation.... |
| 20:54.06 | WaterRatj | Anyone said it was? |
| 20:55.36 | kaluva | WaterRatj: Yeah, your pasting and questioning implied. |
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| 20:55.44 | FalTam | hey |
| 20:55.51 | FalTam | i have a problem with my apache |
| 20:56.08 | FalTam | suddenly 500 apache processes appear and load the machine like hell |
| 20:56.20 | FalTam | if i restart apache it goes away and everything is fine |
| 20:56.41 | FalTam | i have a site on my server which has a lot of users (~20.000 daily) |
| 20:56.50 | kaluva | WaterRatj: Have you checked the permissions, and used "ldd"? |
| 20:56.54 | FalTam | what can i do to prevent apache from dying? |
| 20:57.50 | e7th04sh | nothing, just give him his last pipe with fine tobbacco |
| 20:57.58 | e7th04sh | and let the old indian die in peace |
| 20:58.04 | FalTam | sounds goo |
| 20:58.10 | FalTam | but the users get furious :D |
| 20:58.13 | e7th04sh | :D |
| 20:58.23 | e7th04sh | they are not at peace with nature, huh? |
| 20:58.28 | FalTam | not really |
| 20:58.35 | FalTam | they want services. they want them NOW! |
| 20:58.49 | FalTam | so what i do now is run a script every 5 minutes to restart the apache lol |
| 20:58.57 | FalTam | which is working but not ideal :D |
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| 20:59.04 | e7th04sh | yeah, nice solution |
| 20:59.18 | e7th04sh | did google help you in any way? |
| 20:59.23 | FalTam | not really |
| 20:59.27 | FalTam | keepalive bullshit |
| 20:59.34 | FalTam | which is already fine i think |
| 20:59.50 | FalTam | probably missing something obvious |
| 21:00.01 | FalTam | this config worked fine until now when this site got like a HUGE load |
| 21:00.31 | CissWit | FalTam: cronjob to restart apache every *choose your value* is a crappy way to do. But it works. Until you find your exact problem. |
| 21:00.34 | e7th04sh | well jokes aside i am not the person that can help you sorry ;-) |
| 21:00.47 | FalTam | CissWit thats why im here |
| 21:00.56 | FalTam | i cant really find out what is causing apache to do this |
| 21:02.33 | little_owl | Again please, how to run a file, stored on a DVD (readonly), without an executable flag? I don't believe, there is no way ... |
| 21:02.52 | abrotman | little_owl: sh /path/to/file ? |
| 21:02.59 | FalTam | ^^ |
| 21:03.22 | little_owl | abrotman: It is a binary ELF :-( |
| 21:04.38 | nsadmin | why not copy it |
| 21:04.47 | nsadmin | and then set it +x |
| 21:04.55 | CissWit | cp path/to/file /writable/path/to/file; chmod +x /writable/path/to/file; ./writable/path/to/file |
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| 21:05.22 | FalTam | can <IfModule mpm_prefork_module> cause this? |
| 21:05.43 | e7th04sh | bbl |
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| 21:06.36 | little_owl | CissWit: Not enough space ... a small ssd drive and it is a huge file > 1GB .. |
| 21:06.49 | nsadmin | little_owl: why is it not set +x already? |
| 21:07.20 | CissWit | little_owl: check how it is mounted |
| 21:07.29 | CissWit | there might be a "noexec" file |
| 21:07.30 | CissWit | flag* |
| 21:08.13 | nsadmin | that's true, and that would be independent of whether there is a +x on the cdrom copy |
| 21:08.24 | little_owl | CissWit: Gnome automout, yes you are right, no exec flag :-) Thanks! |
| 21:08.33 | nsadmin | this is on a cdrom, yes? |
| 21:08.49 | little_owl | nsadmin: Yes, a DVD. |
| 21:09.09 | nsadmin | is the file +x on the dvd? |
| 21:09.12 | little_owl | I will mount it manually .... |
| 21:09.18 | nsadmin | if so, you should be set |
| 21:09.18 | sacredchao | I just upgraded to 2.6.36... how can I make sure TRIM is enabled on my SSD? |
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| 21:10.08 | sacredchao | And does TRIM work on ext3? |
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| 21:11.57 | fignew | sacredchao: first of all is your BIOS set to AHCI? |
| 21:12.21 | sacredchao | fignew: Yes, that's a prerequisite? |
| 21:12.39 | fignew | yes, TRIM is AHCI only, none of that legacy IDE crap |
| 21:12.51 | fignew | As far as ext3 goes... I'm not sure |
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| 21:12.53 | fignew | I use XFS |
| 21:12.56 | fignew | :P |
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| 21:15.31 | Phantom_Hoover | Can someone point me towards a channel with help for the Intel graphics drivers? |
| 21:17.57 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: I don't know that there is one, what problem are you having? |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: what's your card again ? |
| 21:18.05 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 21:18.18 | Phantom_Hoover | Yeah. |
| 21:18.36 | Phantom_Hoover | Computer is an Acer Aspire 5738Z. |
| 21:18.58 | jhutchins | I'm running an acer with intel graphics on squeeze, no problems currently. |
| 21:19.39 | Phantom_Hoover | The problems have so far turned up only when playing OpenGL games. |
| 21:20.01 | Phantom_Hoover | Although they didn't turn up until the drivers were updated with Ubuntu 10.04. |
| 21:20.42 | beardy | ... |
| 21:21.46 | bAndie9100 | on my acpi enabled laptop i use powersaved to shutting down at low battery, but unfortunatly powersaved gets segfault when has time to action |
| 21:21.49 | bAndie9100 | powersaved[2566]: segfault at 808b02e ip b767c39e sp bfd86340 error 4 in libdbus-1.so.3.4.0[b7662000+37000] |
| 21:22.07 | bAndie9100 | always in that lib |
| 21:22.30 | Phantom_Hoover | beardy, I'm on Debian now, if that's what you mean. |
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| 21:30.56 | Phantom_Hoover | jhutchins, what exact chipset and computer? |
| 21:31.15 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. show us yours |
| 21:31.54 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, sorry; I've mentioned this in so many places I've lost track of who I've told what. |
| 21:32.03 | Phantom_Hoover | [[00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)]] |
| 21:32.56 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: It's an ao532h, not sure what the chipset is (not this computer). |
| 21:33.06 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: I don't do anything with it that would exercise 3D stuff. |
| 21:33.24 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: What release are you on? |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: so which game were you playing ? |
| 21:33.44 | Phantom_Hoover | jhutchins, Squeeze. |
| 21:33.57 | Phantom_Hoover | Although the version of the graphics driver is a non-trivial question. |
| 21:33.59 | jhutchins | bAndie9100: Which release? |
| 21:34.12 | abrotman | Phantom_Hoover: which game? |
| 21:36.55 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, well, the problem cropped up in Oolite, but has also manifested itself in the Infinity Combat Prototype (under Wine) and in FreeSpace 2 Open. |
| 21:37.03 | simonrvn | ,pciids 8086:2a42 |
| 21:37.08 | simonrvn | ,pciid 8086:2a42 |
| 21:37.10 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
| 21:37.12 | Phantom_Hoover | The first and third of those, only with graphical extensions |
| 21:37.44 | Phantom_Hoover | I've tried the Sid drivers, which solved nothing, and I kludged in Ubuntu's ones, which did. |
| 21:38.13 | Phantom_Hoover | Although they have introduced their own problems. |
| 21:38.20 | sedulous | how well is network-manager integrated in debian? i'm considering installing it because my huge wpa-supplicant.conf is getting unwieldy |
| 21:38.47 | xyan | you will find out by trying |
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| 21:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... that question's a bit along the lines of "how big is a forest" |
| 21:39.53 | sedulous | ok :) |
| 21:40.05 | sedulous | I guess you're right and I should just try it |
| 21:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can come back and moan about the problems you got... in moderation :-P |
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| 21:42.38 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: what, me worry? |
| 21:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, hm? |
| 21:44.01 | simonrvn | twiddles his thumbs, looking innocent |
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| 21:45.33 | jhutchins | sedulous: The kde applet works well in lenny, is seriously lacking in squeeze but can be used. |
| 21:45.47 | sedulous | jhutchins: i'm running a mix of testing/sid |
| 21:45.54 | sedulous | and gnome |
| 21:46.15 | jhutchins | sedulous: Then hopefully you're more knowledgable than I am. |
| 21:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gnome one seemed ok for me... but I havent even needed to configure wap, so... |
| 21:46.39 | sedulous | I'm not very knowledgable but at least it hasn't exploded in the last 2 years yet :) |
| 21:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | worked better with suspend and hibernate than when I made an interfaces file |
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| 21:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | despite of ifplugd network doesn't come up now from interfaces after a suspend/hibernate everytime... |
| 21:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 21:47.54 | mee | Hi, in most applications that use sound, the sound occasionally just goes dead until I restart or reinitialize the sound, but there aren't any messages in any of my logs. Is there a way to crank up the log level for alsa so I can see what's going on? |
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| 21:47.56 | sedulous | although something, I suspect a power outage, messed up my root file system lately and I have been slacking with backups of / (not /home of course) :/ dpkg started to complain about "no such device" and other weird errors. It turned out that some .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/ are now 0 bytes large and device nodes |
| 21:48.20 | sedulous | so I have to reinstall whether I like it or not |
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| 21:48.53 | sedulous | CutMeOwnThroat: that sounds promising. I use suspend/resume a lot, like 5-10x a day at least. |
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| 21:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mainly switched to interfaces because I wanted network to work for other users, too and it really is always the same wireless network on a desktop |
| 21:50.03 | bAndie9100 | jhutchins, powersaved Version: 0.15.20-3 |
| 21:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's only WEP... |
| 21:50.17 | bAndie9100 | form debian lenny repo |
| 21:50.26 | jhutchins | ,versions powersaved |
| 21:50.28 | judd | Package powersaved on i386 -- etch: 0.14.0-5; lenny: 0.15.20-3 |
| 21:51.20 | sedulous | CutMeOwnThroat: isn't it possible to configure network-manager system-wide instead of per user? |
| 21:51.41 | Xanbreon | Does anyone know why the /lib/modules/<uname -r>/build symlink point to the kernel src rather than the kernel headers in the /usr/src/linux-headers->uname -r>/ (both headers and kernel built with make-kpkg) |
| 21:51.43 | sedulous | (it sounds like that was your problem) |
| 21:51.45 | Phantom_Hoover | So, when I installed the xserver-xorg-video-intel deb from http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick-updates/amd64/xserver-xorg-video-intel/download, certain problems resolved. |
| 21:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sedulous, it's like a task-bar applet? Seems to be a single-user thing to me... |
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| 21:52.33 | miasma | has anyone tried the debian's gnash plugin for browsers? the 0.8.8 promises e.g. full youtube support. unfortunately black applet box is the only thing I get. no matter what applet I try |
| 21:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | q |
| 21:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 21:52.50 | miasma | the menu in gnash works, though |
| 21:53.10 | mee | miasma: I haven't, but have you tried the html5 beta for youtube? Might be as-stable as gnash and avoids flash altogether |
| 21:53.12 | Phantom_Hoover | Others did not. |
| 21:53.21 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: I'll bet that if you go tell the ubuntu folks that their maveric driver doesn't work right when you install it on another distro you won't get much sympathy there either. |
| 21:53.36 | miasma | mee: that's not the correct answer. and i have tried html5, tyvm |
| 21:53.39 | Phantom_Hoover | jhutchins, I know that. |
| 21:53.54 | miasma | mee: i was just wondering why the debian's package isn't working |
| 21:54.20 | mee | miasma: ah ok, I thought you were just trying to watch youtube videos without using the proprietary package |
| 21:54.24 | Phantom_Hoover | But, significantly, the version is the same as Sid's, yet it fixes things, while Sid's doesn't. |
| 21:54.31 | miasma | mee: nope =) |
| 21:55.50 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: Which is an illustration of how comparing version numbers between different distributions really isn't meaningful. |
| 21:56.07 | Phantom_Hoover | jhutchins, well, fair enough. |
| 21:56.17 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: Different distributions apply different patches, and that's not reflected in the numbering. |
| 21:56.35 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: This is also why although Debian's version numbers look "old", the packages are often quite up to date. |
| 21:56.52 | Phantom_Hoover | So I either jam Ubuntu's half-working drivers in or use Debian's non-working ones? |
| 21:57.21 | jhutchins | Phantom_Hoover: Why not try installing the fedora drivers with alien? |
| 21:57.49 | Phantom_Hoover | And get Fedora's half-working drivers? |
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| 22:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phantom_Hoover, well, you could see what the difference is, specifically what other patches are applied and file a bug-report for it and get it fixed for everyone... |
| 22:06.53 | Phantom_Hoover | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, well first I need to fix the thing from the Ubuntu deb installation. |
| 22:07.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phantom_Hoover, looking at the debian and ubuntu changelogs for the package might be a good first step towards this... |
| 22:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the ubuntu one says "fixed bug xy" |
| 22:08.28 | Xanbreon | No one with exp with make-kpkg around? :[ |
| 22:09.28 | stittel | I got a (mostly vanilla) Debian configuration from my host on my new server. Something is strange there with the locales: http://pastebin.com/7mEwdQDG |
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| 22:10.03 | stittel | Where could the non-en_US locales come from? grep finds nothing in /etc and there is also nothing in /root which would set LC_TIME to en_DK or some other locales to de_DE. |
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| 22:18.28 | NginUS | stittel : dpkg-reconfigure locales, see if that fixes it |
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| 22:20.03 | stittel | NginUS: Thanks, but already did that. |
| 22:20.09 | NginUS | o |
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| 22:20.24 | NginUS | dunno |
| 22:20.28 | thms | !squeeze->lenny |
| 22:20.28 | NginUS | sry |
| 22:20.38 | thms | !testing |
| 22:20.39 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 22:20.40 | abrotman | thms: not possible |
| 22:21.01 | thms | !lenny->squeeze |
| 22:21.08 | abrotman | thms: msg the bot |
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| 22:22.49 | abrotman | stittel: you generated a DK locale |
| 22:23.02 | thms | I just did a fresh install, lenny, then used it for 1 hour and upgraded to lenny. |
| 22:23.15 | thms | I then rebooted, and my wireless and network manager didnt work anymore. |
| 22:23.15 | abrotman | you upgraded from lenny to lenny? |
| 22:23.29 | abrotman | which wifi card? |
| 22:23.30 | thms | I now did a fresh install again. Can I try upgrading to lenny again ? |
| 22:23.41 | stittel | abrotman: Yeah, actually I want to use it for LC_TIME. But it's there even though I never set it. |
| 22:23.42 | abrotman | why not just install squeeze directly? |
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| 22:23.51 | thms | mh, from lenny to squeeze |
| 22:23.59 | thms | downloaded wrong installer :D |
| 22:24.10 | thms | does it matter much ? |
| 22:25.08 | stittel | abrotman: I mean, I choose en_US in /etc/default/locale and didn't set any other locales (even though I generated them) at any place and also can't find any file in /etc or /root where all those non-en_US locales have been set. |
| 22:25.16 | abrotman | thms: not really .. but it might work better |
| 22:25.29 | thms | I will try again. Doesnt cost me much |
| 22:25.30 | abrotman | stittel: /etc/environment ? |
| 22:25.42 | stittel | abrotman: Actually an empty file. |
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| 22:39.26 | blast_hardcheese | How does one see what arguments a given module was loaded with? |
| 22:39.41 | little_owl | What is the situation of SELinux in Debian Squeeze? Last time when I tried it in Lenny using enforcement mode, in a desktop installation, a lot of programs started behave in a very strange way. Is QA stuff done with SELinux switched on? |
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| 23:12.17 | tharkun | I screwed up today. I manage to fubar a server install so the previous hdd had to be remounted. Trying to do a postmortem revision on the hdd why it failed so badly. I installed it on my desktop at home and booted from there. Everything went as planned as it should have gone on the original server. Question. Where can i get irc help for a no-ip account since my home ip is now beeing point to that specific server name? |
| 23:12.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | little_owl: there is a lot more sel inux profiles afaik. how the apps behavle may be crap apps being crap |
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| 23:14.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: presumably htey have help linked on their website |
| 23:16.42 | little_owl | Kamping_Kaiser: I hope so, I like Debian, but this was a real problem for me. |
| 23:17.57 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: Ticket based system Unless this gets fixed in a few hours things will get indeed rough for me |
| 23:18.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | little_owl: i hope you let them know what awas playing up. |
| 23:18.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: i can't think of anywhere in particular |
| 23:18.42 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: Thx a lot for your support |
| 23:19.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | tharkun: good luck with it |
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| 23:20.44 | cosmos2 | Hi |
| 23:20.50 | abrotman | tharkun: easier to change the hostname than no-ip ? |
| 23:21.12 | cosmos2 | I just installed arduino on the armel Neo Freerunner (OpenMoko° |
| 23:21.17 | cosmos2 | That's fine |
| 23:21.51 | cosmos2 | When it should be possible for Processing www.processing.org |
| 23:21.54 | cosmos2 | ? |
| 23:22.23 | cosmos2 | Some enthusiastic developers? |
| 23:22.34 | cosmos2 | Any* |
| 23:22.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | cosmos2: could you use coherant sentences? :/ |
| 23:22.41 | tharkun | abrotman: Since i don't have access to that server it is hard to pinpoint where it is located as of this momment |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: i'd settle for two words in a row :) |
| 23:23.27 | cosmos2 | Kamping_Kaiser: coherant sentences? |
| 23:24.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: :) |
| 23:24.50 | tharkun | abrotman: you've earned yourself a dinner |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | tharkun: oh oh!! i'd settle for a quart of wonton right now! :) |
| 23:25.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | cosmos2: are you here to ask someone to package that software? if so go and submit an rfp |
| 23:25.26 | tharkun | Too far away to serve it on the spot |
| 23:25.55 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: he wants to run a shared processing app on his phone ? |
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| 23:26.06 | rysiek|pl | yello |
| 23:26.22 | rysiek|pl | how *bad* an idea is to upgrade a semi-production server to squeeze? :) |
| 23:26.40 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i manually run noip2 to have it update itself |
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| 23:27.04 | abrotman | isn't it a script ? |
| 23:27.13 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: external or internal ? |
| 23:27.22 | rysiek|pl | internal |
| 23:27.27 | rysiek|pl | to-be-external |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | i wouldn't make it extneral til squeeze is released .. |
| 23:27.40 | rysiek|pl | but don't want to get stuck in lenny after the whole migration |
| 23:27.52 | rysiek|pl | it's more of an "intranet" thing |
| 23:28.07 | tharkun | abrotman: Sincerely you save my butt |
| 23:28.07 | rysiek|pl | but the official website et al are going to be migratetd to this machine soon |
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| 23:28.25 | rysiek|pl | and how is squeeze going? |
| 23:28.34 | abrotman | tharkun: i want karma! |
| 23:28.42 | tharkun | abrotman ++ |
| 23:28.47 | rysiek|pl | tharkun: and my bow! |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | !abrotman++ |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | :( |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | !+abrotman++ |
| 23:29.01 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 23:29.17 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: there isn't truly security support for squeeze yet .. there is some though .. it's really up to you |
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| 23:31.12 | tharkun | rysiek|pl: on a semiproduction server that is not running X "I" feel it is stressfull choice. Although you absolutely need to know what you are doing. Else things might get very naughty. If you feel you can't manage a server breakdown then don't even think about setting squeeze on it |
| 23:31.44 | rysiek|pl | I can manage a server breakdown, I have nice backups (that saved my a$$ more than once) |
| 23:31.53 | rysiek|pl | but I would prefer not to have to do that ;) |
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| 23:33.25 | tharkun | goes to grab a bite. 13 hours sans food is taking a toll on his stomach |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 23:35.14 | dpkg | methinks tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 23:59.01 | bl^ckhOle | how can I determine what patches in the Debian patch tracking system are upstream patches or Debian-specific patches? |
| 23:59.42 | abrotman | changelog ? |
