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| 00:01.48 | inetd50 | any wine users here? |
| 00:01.57 | inetd50 | well wine + gaming users |
| 00:02.02 | paradigm | I used to be |
| 00:02.04 | paradigm | how can I help? |
| 00:02.16 | TwoTwenty | inetd50 Im a wine abuser, stumbling around |
| 00:02.17 | bl^ckhOle | ah... thanks abrotman |
| 00:02.45 | inetd50 | my desktop runs at 1920x1200...but the game runs at 1024x768...problem is when i quit the game..my desktop is same as game resolution |
| 00:03.16 | TwoTwenty | inetd50: run the game in window mode |
| 00:03.41 | paradigm | I don't know if there's a more proper way to do it, but you can probably script xrandr to run after the game ends and reset the resolution |
| 00:03.59 | inetd50 | i tried the virtual desktop mode which works fine..but the only issue wit that is my game doesnt get widescreen mode |
| 00:04.12 | inetd50 | its an old game (C&C Zero hour) |
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| 00:04.23 | paradigm | inetd50: are you familiar with xrandr? |
| 00:04.40 | inetd50 | paradigm: a little...should look into that? |
| 00:04.48 | AimHere | xrandr or some gui wrapper for it might change it back afterwards |
| 00:04.49 | paradigm | you can use it to set the resolution |
| 00:04.52 | paradigm | yeah |
| 00:04.54 | paradigm | what AimHere said |
| 00:05.09 | paradigm | you can set it up to run after the game ends |
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| 00:08.30 | inetd50 | yer that might do the trick..thanks |
| 00:09.05 | NoReflex | inetd50, what is the issue with using virtual desktop in winecfg? |
| 00:09.34 | inetd50 | NoReflex: game doesnt run in widescreen mode |
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| 00:10.36 | NoReflex | inetd50, what do you mean? like 1386x768? when you use virtual desktop with wine you can specify a resolution |
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| 00:11.58 | inetd50 | NoReflex: well i want the game to run in fullscreen mode...so i set the vd size same as desktop..but game doesnt run in widescreen..can see blue block on the side of the game window when running |
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| 00:14.53 | NoReflex | inetd50, oh - I understand .. I usually set the resolution for the vd less than my desktop because I like to see also the panel, conky, system monitor while running the game (for example on my notebook 1440x900 I use 1366 x 768 for the vd) |
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| 00:17.30 | DuckMaestro | what version kernel is in the stable release right now? or how can i tell? |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 00:17.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | stable is lenny |
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| 00:26.28 | peterS | well, the -686 suffix is variable depending on your hardware |
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| 00:32.07 | cosmos2 | where to st JAVA_HOME variables, in /etc/profiles ? |
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| 00:39.23 | stew | corretico: i'd recommend doing it in a script that starts the program requiring that variable |
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| 00:43.24 | psiklops | is it possible to use a cable with 2 USB male ends, to transfer data from one linux machine to another? |
| 00:44.02 | zinx | no |
| 00:44.18 | zinx | there are USB networking things designed like that though, with two male ends |
| 00:44.25 | zinx | but it's not just a cable - there's hardware inbetween |
| 00:44.58 | zinx | if you get lucky, one of the computers you're trying to network will support crossover cable detection |
| 00:45.04 | psiklops | zinx: a shame, and i thought it would work :-) thanx |
| 00:45.05 | zinx | and you can use a cat5e / cat6 cable to network them |
| 00:45.22 | zinx | kind of random which NICs support that though |
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| 00:47.34 | doublehp | which console tool to view networg traffic in real time (just rates) |
| 00:47.35 | doublehp | ? |
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| 00:48.59 | fbs | ifstat or smth? |
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| 00:49.43 | f8l | doublehp: iftop? Much more than just rates though. |
| 00:50.12 | psiklops | maybe ngrep too |
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| 00:52.19 | abrotman | doublehp: iftop/jnettop |
| 00:57.50 | sedulous | doublehp: nethogs |
| 00:58.09 | sedulous | iftop is broken nowadays as it doesn't recognize IPv6 |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | no one uses ipv6 .. or so we're told |
| 00:59.39 | doublehp | iftop is close to what i need, but, the tool i used to use, and know better is iptraf |
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| 01:13.42 | doublehp | how's called the wgetpaste package ? |
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| 01:14.37 | pixie | yeah I'm having a super odd problem. for some reason, not even dmesg can find my wificard eth1 |
| 01:14.52 | cafuego | That's not odd, just means no diver loaded for it. |
| 01:14.58 | doublehp | pixie: lspci ? lsusb, lswhatever ... |
| 01:15.02 | cafuego | See ^ |
| 01:15.22 | doublehp | pixie: just means you did not load the driver; first question is: is hardware "inserted" ? |
| 01:15.23 | pixie | doublehp: yea the only thing that can "find" it is lshw, upon which it says unsigned. even if I modprobe ipw2200 nothing happens |
| 01:15.24 | gossamer | find the card in lspci, locate the drive for said card, install driver, load module |
| 01:15.52 | doublehp | pixie: many problems could explain that; question is: is it on the right bus ? |
| 01:15.53 | cafuego | I'd maybe take a hint and say it might not be an ipw2200? ;-) |
| 01:16.11 | pixie | cafuego: oh yes it is, been using it for years |
| 01:16.14 | pixie | reinstalled recently |
| 01:16.16 | pixie | hasnt found it since |
| 01:16.17 | pixie | its a laptop |
| 01:16.24 | pixie | never happened before |
| 01:16.29 | pixie | always found it immediately |
| 01:16.39 | doublehp | pixie: missing wraper, missing driver arguments, did you update recently ? change any param ? tried reboot ? |
| 01:16.42 | cafuego | pixie: Does the 2200 require firmware files that may now be missing? |
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| 01:17.07 | pixie | cafuego: I don't think so, never has |
| 01:17.08 | doublehp | how's called the wgetpaste package ? |
| 01:17.26 | pixie | "same" install as I had last time, upon which nothing was required other than the built in 2200 module |
| 01:17.30 | cafuego | doublehp: http://packages.debian.org -> search |
| 01:17.48 | cafuego | pixie: what does modprobe ipw2200 say? |
| 01:17.54 | doublehp | cafuego: hard to use when you don't know which keyword enter |
| 01:18.01 | pixie | cafuego: nothing, just loads it |
| 01:18.32 | cafuego | peculiarer |
| 01:18.47 | pixie | indeed |
| 01:18.55 | pixie | like i said, never been a problem before, it just randomly will not load it |
| 01:19.07 | pixie | and last time i checked, its supported defaultly |
| 01:19.11 | pixie | and always has been |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | pixie: yes, ipw2200 has firmware |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 01:19.44 | judd | Package firmware-ipw2x00 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 0.27; squeeze/non-free: 0.27 |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | judd: info firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 01:19.50 | judd | Package firmware-ipw2x00 (non-free/admin, optional) in lenny/i386: Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915. Version: 0.14+lenny2; Size: 507.1k; Installed: 1252k; Homepage: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7 |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | duh .. that's what i wanted |
| 01:20.00 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/WVMqNNXJ why does this script not affect download ? |
| 01:23.15 | pixie | i actually downloaded that firmware the other day, i must have done something wrong |
| 01:24.19 | pixie | also |
| 01:24.22 | pixie | "This project was created by Intel to enable support for the Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection and Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection mini PCI adapters. This work has since been merged into the kernel where is has been for a few years now. This project is considered stable and Intel is no longer maintaining it." |
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| 01:29.48 | pixie | tried rebooting now, said something like "modprobe ipw2200 failed with error x" upon where i think x was 5, whatever that means. |
| 01:30.27 | pixie | there we go, unable to load firmware: -2, failed to register network device, probe of blah blah failed with error -5 |
| 01:32.41 | pixie | hm i might have it, sec |
| 01:33.34 | pixie | totally PEBCAK. |
| 01:33.39 | pixie | retreats gracefully |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:34.45 | pixie | oh nice. the first accesspoint it found was "surprise buttsecks" |
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| 01:37.17 | cafuego | I wonder if that's buttsecks with leon, who lives near me an has an ssid indicating a like for male sexual organs. |
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| 01:39.06 | pixie | what a clever ssid. |
| 01:39.17 | austin987 | is it possible to get a developer with ssh access to a powerpc machine to attempt a build of wine-1.3.7? there are some old compiler bugs in wine that may be fixed, but no one seems to have one around to test on. |
| 01:39.23 | austin987 | and qemu-system-ppc doesn't boot for me :-/ |
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| 01:57.46 | doublehp | tc issue: http://pastebin.com/be92vui2 different script: same problem: download is 40x too high |
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| 02:13.24 | sacredchao | Is it preferable to make a mdadm-managed RAID-6 array from the base block device files of HDDs (sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, etc.) or to create 1 big partition on them and make the array out of that (sda1, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1, etc.)??? |
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| 02:14.58 | xand | sacredchao: last I checked you had to make a partition on them for mdadm to work |
| 02:15.02 | xand | I may be wrong though |
| 02:15.15 | xand | a partition with the appropriate type |
| 02:15.42 | sacredchao | No I've had it without partitions before |
| 02:15.46 | xand | hm |
| 02:15.47 | sacredchao | I just want to know what is safer |
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| 02:16.47 | abrotman | why would one be safer? |
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| 02:17.16 | abrotman | i guess if you partition it .. you could potentially use the disk as a single ? |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | oh .. raid6 .. nm |
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| 02:24.49 | bl^ckhOle | would somebody grep their Debian kernel's config file for CONFIG_SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER and paste the output here? |
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| 02:26.15 | abrotman | judd: kconfig SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER |
| 02:26.18 | judd | Searching for 'SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER' in lenny kernel config gives no results. |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | bl^ckhOle: which version of debian ? |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | judd: kconfig SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER --release squeeze |
| 02:26.40 | judd | Searching for 'SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER' in squeeze kernel config gives SCHED_OMIT_FRAME_POINTER=y. |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | there you go! |
| 02:28.11 | CyberDomovoy | hi, is there any command that would tell me what socket type my processor use? or detailled infos about my processor so that i can find out from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | !tell CyberDomovoy about whats my hardware |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | it should give you the CPU model .. from that ypou should be able to find the socket |
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| 02:38.13 | not_david | could someone inform me what i need to do, to get a joystick setup and working in squeeze? |
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| 02:42.06 | doublehp | not_david: first, get your sound card working |
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| 02:44.28 | not_david | doublehp: sound works fine. fwiw, the gameport is integrated and not one thats on a card. |
| 02:45.31 | doublehp | never used any, no clue what's afterwards; but i know that usually we start by checking if the sound card works. |
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| 02:48.40 | not_david | fair enough. i think that might be because alot of the gameports are on the soundcards and all. thats why i brought it up that mine wasnt. i never used one either |
| 02:48.56 | e7th04sh | Hi, when i try glxinfo i am told that i am using software rasterizer |
| 02:49.15 | e7th04sh | i have nonfree firmware package installed, as well as dri package |
| 02:49.31 | e7th04sh | the card is Radeon 9200 using radeon driver |
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| 02:49.49 | e7th04sh | what could be the reason that hardware rendering is not available? |
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| 02:51.25 | e7th04sh | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 02:51.36 | e7th04sh | says: libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/swrast_dri.so |
| 02:51.50 | doublehp | e7th04sh: paste xorglog, and if in a few minutes you don't get help here, try #worg and #ati for non free, #radeon for free |
| 02:51.57 | e7th04sh | so it does not try to find correct driver and fail, instead it just picks software rasterier |
| 02:52.31 | e7th04sh | doublehp i use nonfree firmware and radeon free driver together, unless i don't understand what i really use |
| 02:53.03 | doublehp | #xorg #radeon - the free driver needs the non free firware. still, pastebin xorg.log |
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| 02:53.28 | e7th04sh | doublehp is there an entire nonfree driver available instead of radeon? |
| 02:53.55 | doublehp | ATI, called fglrx |
| 02:54.25 | doublehp | you need to accept license, and, be ready to use even more non GPL softwares |
| 02:54.35 | stew | i didn't think fglrx supported things like 9200 anymore |
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| 02:54.45 | stew | but i dunno, i don't mess with that stuff |
| 02:54.50 | doublehp | oh, i am in #debian ... no clue how to install it. Gentoo user :) |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | stew: it hasn't for a very long time |
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| 02:55.38 | stew | i also hadn't heard of things like loadable firmware for a video card |
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| 02:57.14 | e7th04sh | stew well, i don't know what exactly i use, all i know is i followed the tutorials |
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| 02:57.42 | e7th04sh | i have the linux-nonfree package or something, whcih AtiHowTo wiki.debian page told me to use |
| 02:57.54 | e7th04sh | plus the mesa dri package |
| 02:57.58 | doublehp | stew: i don't understand either, fact is, for several ones, we have to :/ |
| 02:58.59 | doublehp | e7th04sh: with ATI, close drivers are not always better in perf than the free drivers |
| 02:59.20 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman> i was aware about cpuinfo, wasn't enough to be sure of what processor i have (several athlon 3200+, different sockets...), dmidecode gave me what i needed ;) thx anyway |
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| 03:00.07 | e7th04sh | doublehp: doesn't matter here, since r200 chipsets are not supported since ancient times |
| 03:00.19 | e7th04sh | i have to stick with free drivers, whether i like it or not |
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| 03:05.31 | e7th04sh | http://dpaste.org/2OKe/ |
| 03:05.37 | e7th04sh | this is my Xorg.0.log |
| 03:05.52 | e7th04sh | what can i do with it to find out what my problem can be? |
| 03:06.21 | simonrvn | e7th04sh: not in fglrx, the free driver still does |
| 03:06.37 | simonrvn | has a well supported r200 vid card |
| 03:07.22 | e7th04sh | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled |
| 03:07.35 | e7th04sh | simonrvn: flgrx does not suppoer r200 |
| 03:07.44 | e7th04sh | and radeon does support it |
| 03:07.50 | e7th04sh | that's what i mean |
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| 03:08.07 | e7th04sh | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled <-- a line from my Xorg.0.log |
| 03:08.40 | e7th04sh | one of a few warnings, no other warning follows (some preceeds) |
| 03:08.52 | stew | e7th04sh: is the radeon kernel module loaded? |
| 03:09.44 | e7th04sh | stew how do i check? |
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| 03:09.55 | e7th04sh | http://dpaste.org/rE6N/ <-- grep -e WW Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:13.12 | e7th04sh | i'll check lsmod |
| 03:13.37 | e7th04sh | should the radeon be listed as such there? `radeon'? |
| 03:14.26 | e7th04sh | radeon 510352 2 |
| 03:14.32 | e7th04sh | there is such a line in lsmod |
| 03:14.41 | e7th04sh | stew? |
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| 03:15.44 | e7th04sh | http://dpaste.org/swoK/ <-- grep -e radeon lsmod.txt |
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| 03:25.34 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 03:32.27 | sacredchao | I am doing some smartcl --test=long tests on a couple of my drives, but smartctl --all=/dev/sda does not show how much time is left in the test. Is there anything that does? |
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| 03:35.56 | e7th04sh | good night, i hope i'll be more lucky later on |
| 03:36.05 | e7th04sh | #debian already helped me a lot last two days |
| 03:36.06 | e7th04sh | bye |
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| 03:40.01 | thepro4ever | what does it mean for a files permissions to start with the letter s ? |
| 03:41.00 | hideo | sticky |
| 03:41.08 | hideo | man chmod, thepro4ever |
| 03:41.31 | hideo | uh not sticky |
| 03:41.33 | hideo | damn it |
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| 03:43.50 | Tramp | thepro4ever: can you give an example? |
| 03:44.51 | thepro4ever | srwxrwxrwx |
| 03:46.38 | Tramp | that's not the permissions. The first character of this string is the "file type" |
| 03:46.56 | Tramp | the permissions start with the 2nd character |
| 03:47.25 | franki^ | man chmod and search for "rwxXst" |
| 03:47.56 | franki^ | It should take you to the relevant paragraph (5, for me) |
| 03:48.13 | Tramp | no. He is asking about the "s" in the first column |
| 03:48.36 | hideo | Tramp: so what does s mean in this case? I have no clue |
| 03:48.48 | Tramp | hideo: that the file is a socket |
| 03:49.02 | hideo | ah ok, thx |
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| 03:49.45 | Tramp | hideo: check "info ls" then the node "What information is listed", then go to the "-l" option. There you find the different types |
| 03:50.38 | franki^ | Tramp: Ah, I see. |
| 03:50.45 | franki^ | didn't know that |
| 03:51.21 | hideo | neither did I, I mainly only use man pages, never info :( |
| 03:52.04 | franki^ | Info is the best :) I've only discovered its joys recently, since using Emacs |
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| 04:01.53 | sam113101 | where there isn't any xorg.conf file |
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| 04:04.31 | flock-_ | hello |
| 04:04.56 | sam113101 | hi |
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| 04:06.00 | meltphace | hey, i get a few crashes a day from flash for 64bit linux on 2.6.36. anyone else having such a problem? |
| 04:06.14 | meltphace | hard crashes, like total freeze with sound skipping and nothing useful in logs |
| 04:07.10 | sam113101 | I suggest you to use the 32-bit version |
| 04:07.34 | meltphace | i tried that through nspluginwrapper, and npviewer.bin just sat and hung spinning on one of my cores |
| 04:08.18 | meltphace | i was using the nightly builds of chromium before, so i switched over to stable chrome straight from the almighty goog, and still i just got a crash |
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| 04:09.24 | flock-_ | I am in rescue mode in a dedicated machine because I got some error with a lib that doesn't let me start the machine, any suggestions? |
| 04:09.32 | meltphace | flock-_: what's the lib |
| 04:09.51 | flock-_ | I am not sure |
| 04:10.07 | meltphace | well, do you have access to dmesg from the last boot? maybe stick that on a pastebin |
| 04:10.47 | meltphace | http://sprunge.us/ seems pretty convenient fo rsuch a task |
| 04:10.58 | sam113101 | meltphace, you can't do anything, that might be flash player's fault, the 64-bit version isn't stable |
| 04:11.27 | meltphace | sam113101: yeah i figured.. strange thing is that i don't remember such instability before i rolled a 2.6.36 kernel and i was on the stock 2.6.32 |
| 04:11.36 | meltphace | so i might need to downgrade to 33 or 34 or so |
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| 04:15.58 | flock-_ | I believe that dmesg file doesnt ring a bell about it |
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| 04:17.38 | thepro4ever | noooooooo i just wrote a bunch of code in vi and type q instead of wq, none of my work is saved |
| 04:18.24 | hideo | :q alone shouldn't have done that |
| 04:19.01 | thepro4ever | it was a new file |
| 04:19.10 | thepro4ever | it doesn't even exist |
| 04:19.17 | hideo | still |
| 04:19.18 | thepro4ever | i just wrote 2 pages of code |
| 04:19.22 | hideo | you must have done :q! |
| 04:19.31 | thepro4ever | i did |
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| 04:23.42 | flock-_ | i believe thats glibc_2.7 the lib meltphace |
| 04:24.12 | meltphace | oh shit, you fucked up libc |
| 04:24.34 | meltphace | well, if you've got a rescue cd of some kind, you'll have to reinstall it. it's kindof important. |
| 04:25.05 | flock-_ | theres no other way? |
| 04:26.37 | flock-_ | the error that gives me before it dies |
| 04:26.37 | flock-_ | was |
| 04:26.38 | flock-_ | relocation error: /lib/i686/cmov/libm.so.6: symbol __cxa_finalize, version GLIBC_2.1.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 04:37.30 | not_david | could someone inform me what i need to do, to get a joystick setup and working in squeeze? |
| 04:37.40 | thepro4ever | what is the package i need to install firefox |
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| 04:38.36 | not_david | thepro4ever: the debian version of firefox is iceweasel |
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| 04:43.51 | thepro4ever | yeah but the problem is i can't watch saturday night live because boxlive.tv is now stating they only support internet explorer and firefox |
| 04:44.45 | hideo | thepro4ever: look for one of the many addons on addons.mozilla.org that allows you to change the browser's useragent |
| 04:45.23 | franki^ | thepro4ever: Iceweasel literally is Firefox (almost ;>) |
| 04:46.11 | not_david | the 'useragent switcher' addon works fine but it has a bug that crashes iceweasel if you 'right click -> save as' too many times. |
| 04:49.07 | not_david | iceweasel doesnt have a command line switch to set useragent? |
| 04:50.27 | franki^ | shrugs |
| 04:50.31 | franki^ | I've never needed to |
| 04:50.35 | meltphace | thepro4ever: it should be sending a mozilla compatible user agent |
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| 04:50.43 | Rusty1 | not_david: probly been there but apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-joystick |
| 04:50.44 | Rusty1 | ? |
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| 05:01.15 | not_david | Rusty1: what do i need to conf now, and should i make /dev/input/js0? |
| 05:02.30 | Rusty1 | not_david: was that installed? |
| 05:02.40 | not_david | it is now :) |
| 05:03.22 | Rusty1 | not_david: restart your x session and see if your joystick works |
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| 05:08.35 | chelz | four 1.5 TB drives in RAID5 planning to dm-crypt over them. probably won't get heavily used. most files will be around 3-4 MiB with some 600-800 MiB. is there any reason to not use the default 64k chunks? |
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| 05:10.16 | not_david | whats the command to see key presses? |
| 05:10.52 | franki^ | xev? |
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| 05:12.33 | not_david | yes, and xev gets nothing from the stick. |
| 05:13.16 | chelz | check your syslog and dmesg when you plug it in |
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| 05:13.44 | Rusty1 | not_david: getting anything from it? |
| 05:15.08 | not_david | nothing and dmesg got nothin' either |
| 05:15.48 | not_david | its a gameport/serial stick not usb if that helps any. |
| 05:15.50 | chelz | this usb or serial |
| 05:15.51 | chelz | ah |
| 05:16.07 | not_david | a logitech wingman |
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| 05:17.00 | not_david | i have a serial -> usb adapter but things might get a lil hairy with that one |
| 05:17.10 | chelz | not_david: i found this http://www.crius.net/zone/showthread.php?t=17007 |
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| 05:35.00 | WilliamHerry | #flood |
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| 05:54.12 | publiccerts | whats wrong with: 50 12 * * * root mysqldump -u root -p***** --all-databases | gzip > /home/jeff/backups/mysql/database_`data '+%d'`.sql.gz ? |
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| 05:56.30 | Tramp | publiccerts: man 5 crontab, search for % |
| 05:56.46 | publiccerts | Tramp: Will do, thanks |
| 05:56.56 | Tramp | yw |
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| 06:02.07 | shalok | Do any of the identd servers actually work? I know I'm getting activity on 113 (thanks netcat) but none of the identd servers I've tried does anything: Freenode always reports "No Ident response". |
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| 06:25.37 | jetole | Hey guys. I have a question. I'm thinking of converting my laptop and eventually my desktop to debian testing (from Ubuntu 10.04) since I like the idea of a rolling release and I have always been a fan of Debian and recently (in the last 4 years) Ubuntu. I am testing out the debian testing release now (from a nightly) in a kvm virtual machine on my Ubuntu desktop. The question I have, and this may likely apply to many more packages then I have noticed it ... |
| 06:25.43 | jetole | ... in but, the question I have is, while reading /etc/sudoers.d/README, I see it says "Note also, that because the sudoers file is not a 'conffile' in the Debian |
| 06:25.47 | jetole | # sense, and sudoers contents can vary widely, no attempt is made to add this |
| 06:25.49 | jetole | # directive to existing sudoers files on upgrade. |
| 06:25.52 | jetole | " |
| 06:26.02 | jetole | ...oops, didn't mean to multiline post |
| 06:27.46 | jetole | Anyways, my question is, does this mean I have a package where, when I upgrade that package, it won't add all the new features of the upgrade per se? With sudoers and this file in this case I am not too concerned but now curious what other packeges it may apply to since I am hoping for a system that can always be up to date with out an install or upgrade of the entire disribution release |
| 06:28.59 | mordocai | jetole: I think it means that updating sudo won't try to do anything to the sudoers file. |
| 06:29.48 | jetole | mordocai: as I read it again and after you said that, I guess it seems kinda obvious |
| 06:30.32 | jetole | mordocai: still, can this scenario apply to lost features or "lack of new features" in other software, even if it's only based on a... the more I think about this the more I am confusing myself |
| 06:30.33 | mordocai | jetole: But yeah, with other programs it'll sometimes try to get you to replace the existing config with a new one. It'll ask before it does though. |
| 06:30.55 | jetole | mordocai: now that you mention that, I have seen this many many times where it asks |
| 06:31.10 | jetole | ok, I guess I'm just being paranoid |
| 06:31.17 | mordocai | jetole: Yeah. You shouldn't have to worry about it. |
| 06:31.47 | jetole | ok, on another note, does anyone have experience with the testing release? Anything I should know or any good or bad "vibes"? |
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| 06:31.55 | jetole | by the way, thanks mordocai |
| 06:32.46 | franki^ | jetole: Testing is almost Stable now, it works perfectly for me. I'm not sure if the installer's 100% bug-free yet though. *shrug* |
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| 06:33.02 | jetole | franki^: you mean the OS installer? |
| 06:33.17 | mordocai | jetole: I just installed testing on my laptop a few days ago (i've had it on my desktop for a year+) so you should be okay. |
| 06:33.42 | franki^ | jetole: Yes, (for Testing, of course you can always install Stable and upgrade. But like mordocai says, it should be fine) |
| 06:34.02 | jetole | mordocai: any experience you want to share from that year+? I'm testing testing in a VM now but I would appreciate any input from someone who has used it for a long time |
| 06:34.34 | jetole | Also, I think my laptop is a good place to start. I only use it when I go to the data center or if I have to do some routine network maintnance in the office |
| 06:34.50 | jetole | and I only go to the data center when I really _HAVE_TO_ |
| 06:34.52 | mordocai | You'll just run into occaisional semi-annoying bugs (like the sound applet not showing up, that was in there for awhile) but i've never had anything that completely broke my machine. I'd probably wait for a couple weeks to do an update after the new stable comes out, though. I could see it getting a little more unstable for awhile as everyone rushes to put in their new stuff. |
| 06:35.40 | jetole | mordocai: hmmmm. I was under the impression that stable was more or less always in a "constant" state and they made a release based on a snapshot of stable |
| 06:36.38 | mordocai | jetole: I think that's how it used to work. Someone who has been around long enough to see the last stable come out would have to confirm, but I think the feature freeze(which we are under now) is a new thing. |
| 06:36.59 | jetole | I see |
| 06:37.07 | jetole | by the way, when was the last full release? |
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| 06:37.19 | Scabdates | Hello, I'm having difficult getting ssh keys to work on my debian VPS. Is this an appropriate place to ask for assistance? |
| 06:37.55 | mordocai | jetole: 14 February 2009 it looks like. |
| 06:37.59 | jetole | Scabdates: I can probably help but the #openssh room too but if no one minds, I use keys exclusively for many servers so please ask. If someone minds because it is off topic, you can PM me |
| 06:38.07 | jetole | mordocai: thanks |
| 06:38.23 | jetole | Scabdates: ask until someone says not to ask here / just ask |
| 06:38.35 | Scabdates | alrighty then |
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| 06:39.38 | Scabdates | I generated my key files using puttygen. I set up my sshd_config file by disabling PermitRootLogin and disabling password authentication. |
| 06:39.58 | jetole | Scabdates: ok |
| 06:40.00 | jetole | go on |
| 06:40.02 | Scabdates | i have my public key pasted into authorized_keys2 and authorized_keys inside of my home directory of my user |
| 06:40.09 | jetole | no |
| 06:40.13 | jetole | mkdir .ssh |
| 06:40.18 | Scabdates | ahh, sorry |
| 06:40.20 | jetole | chmod 0700 .ssh |
| 06:40.27 | Scabdates | i meant instead of .ssh inside of that folder |
| 06:40.27 | Scabdates | :p |
| 06:40.29 | jetole | mv authorized_keys .ssh |
| 06:40.32 | Scabdates | inside* |
| 06:40.37 | jetole | chmod 0600 .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:40.56 | jetole | ok, you don't need authorized_keys2 |
| 06:40.59 | jetole | double check the permissions |
| 06:41.02 | Scabdates | roger that, deleted |
| 06:41.04 | jetole | .ssh should be 0700 |
| 06:41.11 | jetole | authorized_keys should be 0600 |
| 06:41.59 | jetole | also double check the ownership or, if you want to make sure, suppose your user is scabdates and your primary group is scabdates, run: chown -R scabdates:scabdates ~/.ssh |
| 06:42.20 | jetole | this will change ownership on the directory and all files in the directory (-R is for recursive) |
| 06:43.37 | jetole | If that doesn't work, a few other things. I have helped windows users in my office setup putty, when you view your public key in puttygen, copy and paste that, don't copy and paste the actual file it saves because it's in a bit of a different format. You can view this again by opening your private key in puttygen |
| 06:44.04 | jetole | also, you need to restart ssh daemon after you make changes to the config file (i.e. /etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 06:44.18 | jetole | if none of this helps, post your sshd on pastebin.com or a similar site and send me the URL |
| 06:44.53 | Scabdates | my sshd_config file? |
| 06:45.48 | jetole | Scabdates: "I set up my sshd_config file by disabling PermitRootLogin and disabling password authentication." |
| 06:46.06 | jetole | 01:39 < Scabdates> I generated my key files using puttygen. I set up my sshd_config file by disabling PermitRootLogin and disabling password authentication. |
| 06:46.23 | Scabdates | no i mean |
| 06:46.29 | jetole | so... after any changes you make to the sshd_config file, you need to restart ssh |
| 06:46.36 | Scabdates | right |
| 06:46.39 | Scabdates | nevermind haha |
| 06:46.41 | Scabdates | i did so |
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| 06:46.50 | jetole | k |
| 06:47.17 | jetole | reads the "Setting up PuTTY for SSH on windows" wiki page I wrote on the corporate wiki |
| 06:47.42 | Scabdates | jetole: I get "No supported authentication methods available" |
| 06:47.46 | Scabdates | ill send you my config file via message |
| 06:48.20 | jetole | yeah please because that already tells me something is wrong in the config (well probably). Paste it on pastebin.com or a similar site and then paste the url in the room |
| 06:48.27 | jetole | DO NOT PASTE THE WHOLE THING IN THE ROOM |
| 06:51.41 | Scabdates | sent |
| 06:51.49 | not_david | could someone explain what the 13 in 'mknod /dev/input/js0 c 13 0' does? |
| 06:51.56 | peterrooney | Scabdates: post it here please |
| 06:52.07 | jetole | not_david: it's the major device number |
| 06:52.26 | not_david | thank you sir |
| 06:52.32 | jetole | Scabdates: you should post it in the room but I am looking now |
| 06:52.37 | jetole | not_david: the 0 is the minor |
| 06:52.55 | Scabdates | ah, my apologies |
| 06:53.03 | jetole | Scabdates: I won't re post but this can help others or others can help you |
| 06:53.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. gnomes forgotten all my servers :/ |
| 06:53.43 | Scabdates | http://pastebin.ca/1990884 that is the pastebin, for anyone interested |
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| 06:57.35 | oadams | Hi. My processor an intel i5. I'm planning on installing debian. Which image file should I download: amd64 or ia64? |
| 06:58.38 | SwedeMike | oadams: amd64. |
| 06:58.59 | oadams | thanks. What is the distinction between the two? |
| 06:59.02 | Devastator | ia64 is for itanium only, i think |
| 06:59.15 | SwedeMike | that's my recollection as well. |
| 06:59.54 | SwedeMike | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia64 |
| 07:00.08 | jetole | Scabdates: the sshd_config looks pretty good to me, I made some changes which I don't think will affect it but provide better security, for example, you don't need or want "RSAAuthentication yes" since RSAAuthentication is only for protocol version 1 which you have disabled on line 9 of your current configuration file with "Protocol 2". You can see the updated sshd_config here: http://pastebin.ca/1990889 |
| 07:00.22 | oadams | i see |
| 07:00.26 | jetole | Scabdates: this leads me to think that putty is setup wrong |
| 07:00.30 | jetole | Scabdates: hold on one moment |
| 07:00.39 | jetole | I have something else for you that should help |
| 07:00.48 | Scabdates | okay then |
| 07:02.43 | jetole | Scabdates: though while I upload this image (it's a image but just a screenshot from our corporate wiki) you should apply the sshd_config I just gave you. also, so you know, line 14 in mine which is line 31 in yours is not needed since it's a default location but there is no downside to having it their... |
| 07:02.57 | jetole | yeah, no downside to having it there |
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| 07:03.35 | somiaj | ls |
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| 07:04.05 | jetole | Scabdates: from the sshd_config man page: After expansion, AuthorizedKeysFile is taken to be an absolute path or one relative to the user's home directory. The default is â.ssh/authorized_keysâ |
| 07:04.39 | shalok | What exactly are ACL's? Is that the username and file permissions stuff (like with chmod)? |
| 07:05.05 | jetole | shalok: it can refer to a lot of different things but it stands for Access Control List(s) |
| 07:05.10 | Scabdates | jetole: got it |
| 07:05.48 | jetole | Scabdates: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/S2mBysMScvVG6n2-ugHW-w?feat=directlink |
| 07:05.49 | shalok | jetole, So if I disable ACL's when mounting something, what affect does that actually have? |
| 07:06.01 | jetole | shalok: I have no idea |
| 07:06.04 | jetole | 02:05 < jetole> shalok: it can refer to a lot of different things but it stands for Access Control List(s) |
| 07:06.16 | jetole | so where are these mysterious ACL that you are disabling? |
| 07:06.31 | jetole | for all I know you can be referring to an ACL on Windows |
| 07:06.56 | shalok | I'm trying to understand noacl option when mounting ext3 |
| 07:07.06 | jetole | ok, thats better. let me take a look |
| 07:07.49 | Scabdates | jetole: success :) |
| 07:07.54 | Scabdates | thanks a million! |
| 07:07.57 | jetole | Scabdates: what did you have to change? |
| 07:07.59 | jetole | and you're welcome |
| 07:08.35 | Scabdates | jetole: i'm not really sure, i think just re-doing my server config in putty from scratch helped |
| 07:08.43 | jetole | heh |
| 07:08.45 | jetole | well cool |
| 07:08.49 | jetole | glad it worked out for you |
| 07:09.02 | Scabdates | which is to say, i screwed up the setup and i don't know how, and redoing it fixed it |
| 07:09.03 | Scabdates | haha |
| 07:09.27 | jetole | though I am glad to help, if it's specific to certain applications such as openssh, #openssh is a better place to ask. I don't mind but some people in some IRC rooms prefer not to ask off topic |
| 07:09.35 | jetole | Scabdates: it happens |
| 07:09.42 | jetole | we were all newbies once |
| 07:10.17 | Scabdates | on a more related topic, is it necessary to use hosts.deny to have a truly secure server? |
| 07:10.26 | jetole | no |
| 07:10.35 | jetole | thats usually not a good place to put it |
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| 07:10.40 | jetole | look into iptables |
| 07:10.42 | Baba-B00ie | hello folks |
| 07:10.48 | Scabdates | will do |
| 07:10.59 | jetole | Scabdates: also you may want to go draconian with allow from X hosts and deny from all others |
| 07:11.18 | jetole | hosts.deny is used, afaik, only by programs wrapped in... whats the name of that app |
| 07:11.19 | Baba-B00ie | question, how do i get a list of users that are on my system ? i'm running cli only *debian* |
| 07:11.57 | Scabdates | haha, on a rather unrelated topic, where can i learn more about secure settings to use for my sudoers file for my main sccount? |
| 07:12.06 | streuner_ | who, w? |
| 07:12.28 | streuner_ | or the logins? |
| 07:12.49 | jetole | Scabdates: from what I just skimmed from reading the man page for hosts.deny (which is hosts_access in man 5) it looks like it's supposed to be generic but I think the app still has to support it, none the less, iptables supercedes all and IIRC sshd ignores it, I think |
| 07:13.12 | jetole | Scabdates: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/ |
| 07:14.07 | jetole | Scabdates: for the most part, I think your sudoers file should be fine. I use sudo over ldap myself which is similar but different config but if you need one user to have access to all root options, create a group (debian has the sudo group by default) and add the user to the sudo group |
| 07:14.27 | jetole | now if you need to give specific users access to only specific tasks, that becomes more complex |
| 07:15.05 | jetole | then you have to look into user aliases and command aliases (I think it's called Cmnd_alias for command aliases under the generic / non LDAP sudo) |
| 07:15.06 | Scabdates | i'm not to worried about multiple users |
| 07:15.12 | jetole | LDAP sudo doesn't have aliases |
| 07:15.21 | jetole | k |
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| 07:15.32 | Scabdates | but if i want to give my main account complete access to sudo, should it be set to ALL like the root account is, inside of the sudoers file? |
| 07:15.52 | jetole | Scabdates: well by default, anyone in the sudo group in debian can run anything as root after they put in their password |
| 07:16.04 | jetole | Scabdates: you see the line that starts with %sudo |
| 07:16.14 | jetole | that refers to a group, just add your user to that group |
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| 07:16.43 | jetole | Scabdates: you will probably have to log out and log back in after you do but that's arguably more secure then adding a setting for your user |
| 07:17.04 | jetole | on the other hand it may also be seen as more secure to add a setting for your user only if you completely remove that group |
| 07:17.12 | Scabdates | the only %sudo line i have |
| 07:17.14 | Scabdates | is commented out |
| 07:17.39 | jetole | did you comment it out? |
| 07:17.48 | jetole | On my system it is enabled by default |
| 07:17.51 | jetole | brb, gotta piss |
| 07:17.53 | Scabdates | nope, haven't touched it |
| 07:18.03 | Scabdates | i'll do a pastebin of my sudoers file for you when you come back |
| 07:19.08 | jetole | back |
| 07:19.11 | Scabdates | http://pastebin.ca/1990897 |
| 07:19.12 | jetole | doesn't take me long to pee |
| 07:19.16 | Scabdates | haha clearly not |
| 07:19.25 | jetole | my girlfriend on the other hand, well thats different |
| 07:19.52 | jetole | hmmm, I guess cause I am on a different OS release then you, mine doesn't have it commented |
| 07:20.11 | jetole | anyways, either uncomment that line or copy and paste root and change root to your user name |
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| 07:20.19 | jetole | but always leave root there |
| 07:20.45 | jetole | Scabdates: is your host setup as a mail server? I mean not as a mail server for a bunch of people but can it send mail to you? |
| 07:21.41 | Scabdates | jetole: i'm really not sure, if it isn't i'm quite sure it has the potential |
| 07:21.43 | Scabdates | why do you ask? |
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| 07:22.51 | jetole | well if it is, you can add some options to the sudoers file, for example I have the option mail_always (or I think mail_always=true when in the sudoers file) which mails me everytime someone runs sudo |
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| 07:23.42 | jetole | other interesting options are env_reset, passwd_tries=1, timestamp_timeout=0, lecture=always, mailto="sysadmin@isp.tld", secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 07:23.54 | jetole | the mailto I guess you also need for the mail_always option |
| 07:24.18 | jetole | Scabdates: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/sudoers.man.html#sudoers_options |
| 07:24.29 | Scabdates | jetole: would you say it's better to host mail locally or to use something like google apps instead? |
| 07:24.35 | shalok | Why are the default permissions for files 644 even though every user is in their own group? |
| 07:24.36 | Scabdates | just in general when it comes to owning a server |
| 07:26.25 | GorillaPatch | Scabdates: I decided to use google apps, because for me mail is a critical issue and I do not want to mess around with spam filters, virus scanners and stuff |
| 07:26.31 | jetole | Scabdates: it really depends. I host mail for over a hundred domains. You need to first analyze cost (which includes time spent in setup and maintnance) vs. benefits but either way, for your host to be able to send mail, you need to setup mail server software even if it's only for that |
| 07:27.58 | Scabdates | interesting, interesting |
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| 07:29.01 | jetole | GorillaPatch: I hear you. We pretty much have to host it ourselves and we use amavis but fine tuning it can be a pain in the ass. So is redundancy, we use two inbound mail servers behind redundant linux load balancer (IPVS+heartbeat) and share the mail dir via DRBD+OCFS2 and have seperate servers which run MySQL in a highly available fault tolerant manner and it's a site to be seen but really was a pain in the balls to setup and occasionally maintain (like ... |
| 07:29.07 | jetole | ... last week where I had to allocate more storage on a system that is already using DRBD + OCFS2) |
| 07:29.19 | GorillaPatch | Of course google apps has also nice things like exchange support, so pushing mails is supported and also has the best web interface |
| 07:29.32 | jetole | btw, amavis = spamassassin, clamav and some other stuff too but it's still complex |
| 07:29.43 | jetole | it does |
| 07:29.47 | jetole | bbiab |
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| 07:31.18 | GorillaPatch | jetole: to be honest: i am impressed by this high redundancy setup including load balancers which is not easy to set up. very interesting |
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| 07:37.11 | Scabdates | debian is really quite awesome |
| 07:37.12 | Scabdates | i've come ot relaize |
| 07:38.08 | GorillaPatch | it is |
| 07:38.17 | GorillaPatch | may I ask a dumb question? |
| 07:38.23 | Scabdates | certainly |
| 07:38.32 | Scabdates | also, those typoes were embarrassing haha |
| 07:38.48 | GorillaPatch | I have set up a nice debian Lenny on a vps |
| 07:38.58 | GorillaPatch | everything works fine |
| 07:39.25 | GorillaPatch | how do I update the distribution to the most recent version? |
| 07:39.46 | GorillaPatch | is there some apt-get magic involved? |
| 07:40.29 | Scabdates | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:40.35 | Scabdates | i believe that is what you're looking for |
| 07:40.41 | GorillaPatch | that's itz. |
| 07:40.48 | GorillaPatch | ?. |
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| 07:40.52 | Scabdates | normally i'd say run apt-get update first to upgrade your packages first |
| 07:41.03 | GorillaPatch | ok |
| 07:41.05 | Scabdates | actually, yes do that |
| 07:41.06 | Scabdates | haha |
| 07:41.10 | GorillaPatch | fine |
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| 07:41.35 | peterrooney | GorillaPatch: yes. "aptitude update; aptitude -s dist-upgrade" (-s for 'simulate', eg. for a dry run) |
| 07:41.35 | GorillaPatch | I first used fedora and it was much more complicated than that |
| 07:42.13 | Scabdates | GorillaPatch: yeah, use aptitude instead of apt-get btw |
| 07:42.17 | peterrooney | followed by aptitude dist-upgrade if what you see raises no alarms |
| 07:43.11 | GorillaPatch | aptitude is better than apt-get? oh boy I think I have to google first. I am sorry. |
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| 07:50.51 | GorillaPatch | just googled it. thanks all for giving me the hint. |
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| 08:12.26 | starenka | hello channel |
| 08:12.39 | starenka | i have problem w/ sound in squeeze. i can; |
| 08:12.48 | JyZyXEL | why are NFS user and group showing up as a series of numbers |
| 08:13.19 | starenka | i can't play more than one thing in concurrency. f.e amarok + flash, last.fm + flash etc |
| 08:13.25 | JyZyXEL | you can't even chown them |
| 08:18.14 | cahoot | starenka: the common denominator beinf flash |
| 08:19.00 | starenka | cahoot: well it seems like it is but is not, i can't get any sound if amarok is playing. no matter what software tries to access the snd |
| 08:19.27 | starenka | after returning from suspend all sound in running programs is gone too. i have to restart them to get sound again |
| 08:20.20 | WormFood | starenka, I also have that problem with my laptop. I just wrote a tiny script to unload and reload the sound drivers, but nothing can be using the sound for that to work...real pain in the ass, but it does the job. |
| 08:21.17 | starenka | i was trying to unload snd_hda_intel mod from kernel, but is says it is in use |
| 08:21.27 | starenka | i've tried to investigate w/ lsof, but no luck |
| 08:21.34 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: probably because there's no /etc/passwd entrires for them |
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| 08:27.04 | cahoot | starenka: alsa force-reload should take care of that |
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| 08:27.58 | starenka | ok, but it doesn't solve i can't play sound in more than one program :( |
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| 08:42.35 | jetole | Hey guys. I have added my user to the sudo group (and verified by logging out, logging in and running `id -Gn jetole`) and following line is in my sudoers file, "%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL" however when I run `sudo -i`, I am being told "jetole is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported". Does anyone know what I am missing? |
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| 08:53.10 | petemc | jetole: im not sure what the sudo group is for, but putting your username in instead of %sudo will work |
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| 08:57.16 | jetole | petemc: well I know from experience, if it starts with a percent then it is referring to a group, for example, on ubuntu, it has the line "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" and the default user is in the admin group and can therefor run any program they like as any user. If you add any other users into the admin posix group then they also have this right. Not sure what I am missing on debian or why it's not working |
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| 08:59.51 | jetole | then again, if I eliminate the %sudo role altogether in the sudoers file, and only have a role for my user, it adds a layer of security since that group is no longer enabled hence eliminating one possible way a hacker can try to compromise the host but at the same time, I would at least prefer to understand why this isn't working on debian |
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| 09:05.11 | jetole | and for some odd reason, restarting the system seems to have affected sudo |
| 09:05.16 | jetole | thats not good |
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| 09:06.53 | petemc | jetole: using the sudo group works fine on squeeze |
| 09:07.13 | jetole | petemc: I'm using squeeze |
| 09:07.16 | jetole | and it works |
| 09:07.22 | jetole | but I had to restart the system |
| 09:07.27 | petemc | no, you had to log in |
| 09:07.42 | petemc | same as with adding a user to any group |
| 09:07.52 | petemc | i have just tested it without rebooting |
| 09:08.10 | jetole | petemc: no I had to restart the system. I had logged out and logged in and verified that I was in the group by running `id -Gn` as jetole and seeing "sudo" listed |
| 09:08.31 | petemc | well, your squeeze system seems to work differently to mine |
| 09:08.46 | jetole | if you add a user to a group and while that user is logged in, you run id -Gn, you won't see that group listed |
| 09:08.53 | jetole | petemc: this is a fresh install |
| 09:09.01 | jetole | nothing has been changed and it's only a few hours old |
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| 09:09.12 | petemc | this box is less than a week old too |
| 09:09.40 | jetole | k |
| 09:09.43 | jetole | don't know what to say |
| 09:09.50 | jetole | it shouldn't require a reboot |
| 09:09.53 | petemc | it doesnt |
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| 09:09.57 | jetole | I have never seen it require one on ubuntu |
| 09:10.02 | jetole | but right now, it did |
| 09:10.10 | petemc | not here |
| 09:10.16 | jetole | k |
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| 09:28.51 | k1ng | offtopic: wimax or wifi: which is greater Db or Dbm? |
| 09:29.06 | k1ng | offtopic: wimax or wifi: which is greater Db or dBm? |
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| 09:40.16 | rue_more | what was done with the xmove package? |
| 09:40.38 | k1ng | you think this is good? http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9456/17685449.png |
| 09:40.57 | rue_more | did it change names or was it pulled from debian cause someone did something stupid |
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| 09:45.42 | WormFood | Has anyone tried the old Unreal Tournament (ver 436 from year 2000) under Debian? I'd expect it to work, since it supports OpenGL. |
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| 09:46.08 | rue_more | nobody would play with me |
| 09:46.09 | rue_more | :( |
| 09:46.14 | rue_more | what was done with the xmove package? |
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| 09:49.19 | robokop | rue_more: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmove.html |
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| 09:51.31 | ov3rmind | nice morning to all |
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| 10:05.17 | asperon | hi guys, i am trying to changed from libgloox7 to libgloox8, but i get "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgloox.so.8.0.0', which is also in package libgloox7 |
| 10:05.24 | asperon | is there anyway to force that? |
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| 10:10.04 | f8l | asperon: Try to remove libgloox7 first, then install the 8. |
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| 10:28.06 | surf | hi guys I need to format an USB hard drive that has many I/O errors. Is there a way to low level format it? |
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| 10:29.04 | pallgone | ,versions libqt-webkit |
| 10:29.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libqt-webkit' was found in i386. |
| 10:29.15 | pallgone | ,versions libqt4-webkit |
| 10:29.17 | judd | Package libqt4-webkit on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.6.3-4; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4; experimental: 4:4.7.0~rc1-1 |
| 10:29.34 | pallgone | is this in lenny 4.4 or 4.3? |
| 10:29.42 | SwedeMike | surf: if it has write errors, it needs replacement. one doesn't really low level format hdds anymore, it's not worth it. |
| 10:30.27 | surf | SwedeMike, so no way to fix this? Gparted just sees the partition table but if I try to format it has errors... |
| 10:30.52 | surf | File system state: clean with errors |
| 10:31.14 | SwedeMike | it depends on the errors, if it's write errors, then most likely the harddrive is broken and needs to be replaced. you might get more information using smartctl to read the SMART information from the drive and see if it has write errors |
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| 10:32.04 | surf | is it in the repos? |
| 10:32.05 | utrrrongeeb | surf, SwedeMike: but could it also be filesystem errors -- corruption by, say, yanking it out without unmounting? |
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| 10:32.38 | SwedeMike | utrrrongeeb: those errors are solved by mkfs:ing, if he gets write errors then it's a hardware problem. |
| 10:33.00 | SwedeMike | surf: install smartmontools |
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| 10:35.12 | Kritoslaz | I'm confused, were do I find a debian squeeze i386 image to burn and use on my laptop? |
| 10:35.22 | surf | if I run smartctl -i -a /dev/sdb3 it says Error Counter logging not supported |
| 10:35.26 | databridge | hello can somebody help me with my raid 5 configuration and debian? i have a 3ware controller and created a raid 5 with 4x 1,5 TB Drives, the controller bios shows 4TB Usable, when i boot the debian cd it shows me 2x 2.2 TB and 1x 100GB as 3 Hard drives |
| 10:35.29 | Kritoslaz | I'm a beginner and debian website is a bit confusing for me. |
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| 10:37.15 | SwedeMike | Kritoslaz: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 10:37.30 | surf | SwedeMike, it means the hdd does not support testing? |
| 10:37.47 | SwedeMike | surf: I guess the sub->sata bridge might be interfering, yes. |
| 10:38.05 | SwedeMike | surf: next bet would be to open up the drive and connect it directly via usb/ata, without the usb part |
| 10:38.25 | surf | SwedeMike, I'm on a notebook |
| 10:38.28 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, But 5.0.6 isn't lenny? |
| 10:38.43 | petan | is it possible to compile last eggdrop on stable |
| 10:38.51 | petan | with libraries from apt |
| 10:39.03 | surf | SwedeMike, it's a sata disk |
| 10:39.22 | neoice | petan: I think so. I'm running it but I run a mixed system. 95% of my packages are stable though. |
| 10:39.37 | SwedeMike | Kritoslaz: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:40.04 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, This is squeeze beta1? |
| 10:40.14 | SwedeMike | Kritoslaz: yes? |
| 10:40.19 | petan | neoice it has troubles compiling looks like tcl is not up to date |
| 10:40.28 | SwedeMike | surf: I guess you're in trouble then. |
| 10:40.29 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, By the way, thanks for helping me out, and excuse me if the question I ask seem dumb. |
| 10:40.36 | surf | eheh :) |
| 10:40.37 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, I come from ubuntu. |
| 10:40.43 | petan | neoice, tcl.c:698: error: âTcl_NotifierProcsâ has no member named âinitNotifierProcâ from gcc |
| 10:40.49 | neoice | petan: tcl-dev/lenny uptodate 8.4.16-2 |
| 10:40.57 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, What's the default desktop interface, gnome? |
| 10:41.07 | SwedeMike | Kritoslaz: dunno. |
| 10:41.12 | neoice | petan: is this .20? |
| 10:41.18 | neoice | I dont think I've updated. |
| 10:41.23 | Kritoslaz | SwedeMike, Ok, I will try and see. Thank you very much |
| 10:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kritoslaz, as squeeze is not stable yet, the installer is not on the main pages, you find it on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, late |
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| 10:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | the fate of people before their first coffee |
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| 10:42.31 | Kritoslaz | CutMeOwnThroat, Thanks. As I said, I'm a bit confused in general, want to move from those guish distros that make everything for you and out of the box to actually learn linux. |
| 10:42.37 | petan | neoice: what you mean |
| 10:43.00 | Kritoslaz | CutMeOwnThroat, And some one suggested me to try debian, squeeze as lenny is old. So should I try squeeze? |
| 10:43.08 | surf | I have another problem. I compiled the latest kernel on my squeeze but when I try to install the deb files it says it's not possible because of the "fglrx" module. Shall I dkms it? How? |
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| 10:43.18 | neoice | petan: I just compiled .20 fine on my system using lenny tcl-dev. I'm pretty sure a custom module I'm using requires .19 though |
| 10:43.19 | Kritoslaz | CutMeOwnThroat, I use my machine to learn more about linux and programming, especially C. |
| 10:43.38 | pallgone | guys, I need to have at least libqt-webkit 4.5 on my lenny server, any suggestions? |
| 10:43.55 | petan | neoice: I have tcl 8.4 and same |
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| 10:45.09 | petan | neoice well try configure and now it work |
| 10:45.15 | petan | neoice thanks |
| 10:45.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kritoslaz, that's up to you... mind, we here only ever suggest using stable, as that's giving the least amount of undiscoverd bugs... there's still lots of bugs to debug and squash in squeeze, though if it's just about the learning experience :) |
| 10:45.31 | petan | neoice I forgot to clen after installation of newer tcl |
| 10:46.52 | neoice | petan: I recently learned to just always do 'make clean && make' |
| 10:47.01 | surf | any idea? |
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| 10:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | my idea would be to stick with the pre-compiled debian kernels... |
| 10:47.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's just me |
| 10:48.07 | Kritoslaz | CutMeOwnThroat, Ok, thanks so much. |
| 10:48.25 | Kritoslaz | I'm off installing debian and joining the fun. Have a great day! |
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| 10:54.56 | surf | shall I stay with the free drivers? which is the difference? I remember that to install fglrx it was really painful... |
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| 11:11.46 | dels | hi |
| 11:12.23 | dels | is there any way to pipe all incoming traffic of one interface over another nic to another host so it can get analized on another host than the collecting one? |
| 11:13.00 | rysiek|pl | iptables |
| 11:13.56 | rysiek|pl | but it will mangle the packets (as in: change the src, dst addresses) |
| 11:14.01 | rysiek|pl | dels ^^^ |
| 11:14.33 | rysiek|pl | so if you want to get this forwarded *precisely* as-is, I don't know of any such measure |
| 11:15.07 | rysiek|pl | you could probably try to play with tcpdump piped through netcat and being received on the other host, but that has problems galoer |
| 11:15.10 | rysiek|pl | *galore |
| 11:15.19 | dels | rysiek|pl: that would not be that great... |
| 11:15.32 | dels | i thought about something like piping |
| 11:15.32 | rysiek|pl | iptables or tcpdump? |
| 11:15.39 | rysiek|pl | piping *what* :) |
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| 11:15.45 | rysiek|pl | packets? |
| 11:15.52 | dels | changing ip adresses since the port is a SPAN port on a cicsco router |
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| 11:16.16 | rysiek|pl | dels: I would go with tcpdump/ettercap/wireshark |
| 11:16.30 | dels | but the host analyzing this traffic is not fast enough to handel all analyses and is not replacable that easy |
| 11:16.30 | dels | hm.. k |
| 11:16.30 | SwedeMike | dels: span it from the cisco device to multiple ports instead? |
| 11:16.35 | dels | ill go play around with this |
| 11:16.46 | petemc | dels: you could look into using a bridge |
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| 11:16.58 | rysiek|pl | with their output somehow getting to the other machine (piped through netcat; named pipes; NFS; etc.) |
| 11:17.02 | dels | petemc: and tunnel the traffic? |
| 11:17.07 | dels | this could be a great option |
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| 11:17.42 | SwedeMike | dels: actually, having a stupid switch in front if it which never sees the destination mac adress, will actually flood it to all ports. |
| 11:17.42 | petemc | lots of people do bridging firewalls |
| 11:18.05 | SwedeMike | dels: so you could use that as the device that makes multiple copies of the packet |
| 11:19.04 | dels | SwedeMike: i can only use this single host to do all my work...;( |
| 11:19.32 | dels | bridging seems to be the best option in conjunction with a vpn |
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| 11:25.37 | SNow | Hi, i have a problem, i have moved .php files from one host to other, edited it with nano and saved. the locale is POSIX and now the website is showing me crap (not utf8) the letters are messed up. I tried iconv -t ASCII -t UTF8 but I get illegal input seq, tried recode l1..u8 filename but did not help as well. any ideas? |
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| 11:29.25 | not_david | how do i get alias to ignore the quotes in this cmd ' alias chrome="chromium-browser --useragent="foo"" |
| 11:29.32 | noodles900 | dpkg vnc |
| 11:29.33 | dpkg | [vnc] Virtual Network Computing, a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 11:30.13 | not_david | it makes two different alias' because of the quotes |
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| 11:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | use ' for the outside quotes |
| 11:30.47 | noodles900 | dpkg vnc setup |
| 11:30.48 | dpkg | [vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer (e.g. xtightvncviewer, xvnc4viewer) on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH! |
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| 11:35.09 | noodles900 | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about vnc setup |
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| 11:35.26 | not_david | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried that and its not passing the cmd properly. |
| 11:35.59 | not_david | might be a chrome doesnt want to play nice |
| 11:36.04 | not_david | that* |
| 11:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what exactly was it you typed when you tried that |
| 11:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's correct quoting |
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| 11:40.02 | not_david | thats what i did. must be a chrome-ism |
| 11:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is passing it just as well as without the alias... |
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| 12:14.15 | plt2 | What file tells you what version of debian that your running? |
| 12:15.00 | et | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:17.46 | plt2 | ty |
| 12:18.17 | abrotman | !version |
| 12:18.17 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 12:35.34 | plt2 | Did you know there are some pretty cool web hosting control panels out there and they are free. |
| 12:35.59 | blip2 | openssh-server is the best :} |
| 12:36.16 | plt2 | Web hosting. |
| 12:36.16 | blip2 | you can to -anything- |
| 12:36.56 | blip2 | yes I administer all my webhosting through ssh :P |
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| 12:38.05 | plt2 | gplhost is good |
| 12:38.19 | plt2 | Webadmin is cool |
| 12:38.43 | thewanderer1 | ISPConfig |
| 12:38.59 | plt2 | I rember that one. |
| 12:40.24 | plt2 | I like squirrelmail |
| 12:41.01 | abrotman | !dtc |
| 12:41.01 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
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| 12:46.27 | surf | I have another problem. I compiled the latest kernel on my squeeze but when I try to install the deb files it says it's not possible because of the "fglrx" module. Shall I dkms it? How? |
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| 12:56.52 | abrotman | surf: why did you compile it? |
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| 12:57.12 | surf | I was experiencing some problems with 2.6.32 |
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| 13:09.53 | kotique | how do I list files of an deb file? |
| 13:10.00 | kotique | it's not installed |
| 13:10.51 | kotique | thanks |
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| 13:11.11 | wrksx | hi all ; I ran aptitude update and it said "Current status: 23256 new [+4]." Does that mean there are 4 updates to do ? how can I know which one ? since I use a backported package I'd like to check for aptitude actions... |
| 13:11.16 | surf | abrotman, isn't it possible to recompile fglrx after installing the kernel |
| 13:11.29 | surf | or I have to do all the stuff I did to configure it? |
| 13:12.05 | wrksx | I saw the -s aptitude param, is this the way to go to know what aptitude will try to do ? |
| 13:12.19 | themill | wrksx: no, that means there are 4 new packages in the list that have never been seen by your aptitude beforee |
| 13:12.52 | wrksx | themill, ow ok thank you. Is there a way to know if some packages need updates ? |
| 13:13.23 | themill | wrksx: "aptitude search '~N'" to see new packages. "aptitude search '~U'" to see upgradable pacakges. (aptitude would tell you if there were upgradable packages) |
| 13:13.58 | wrksx | themill, ok thank you very much |
| 13:14.04 | themill | wrksx: you should have sensible pinning in place for backported packages to be handled correctly |
| 13:14.32 | wrksx | themill, yes but never used it. so I want to pay attention to what's goin on |
| 13:15.28 | abrotman | surf: probably .. i don't use fglrx |
| 13:16.20 | surf | I have to identical notebooks. In one I have fglrx and in the other not. I see differences in the hd video playback -> ati HD4200. What shall I do? |
| 13:16.26 | surf | I have to upgrade the kernel... |
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| 13:16.47 | plt2 | How can I disable xwindows from starting up in the boot? |
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| 13:20.33 | MrFrood | plt2: what login manager do you use |
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| 13:20.55 | kotique | how do I install a random .deb package using non-dpkg? |
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| 13:21.22 | kotique | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_precautions says Do not install random packages by "dpkg -i <random_package>". |
| 13:22.14 | xand | either install it or don't |
| 13:22.37 | kotique | I want to install it. how? |
| 13:22.55 | MrFrood | gdebi ? |
| 13:23.12 | xand | kotique: dpkg -i is how, but you should be sure it won't break anything |
| 13:23.34 | kotique | can't I use aptitude or apt-get for that? so they check if I don't break anything |
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| 13:24.13 | themill | kotique: it's installing random .debs that's the problem, not the tool that you use to perform the installation. |
| 13:24.18 | themill | !wayttd kotique |
| 13:24.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kotique? |
| 13:24.20 | abrotman | kotique: you use dpkg (or gdebi) .. when it fails, you use apt-get or aptitude to fix it |
| 13:24.27 | MrFrood | kotique: try gdebi |
| 13:24.51 | kotique | gdebi wants gnome. I don't want gnome |
| 13:24.53 | themill | MrFrood: gdebi doesn't magically transform a .deb designed for ubuntu into one for debian. |
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| 13:25.00 | abrotman | kotique: guess you're using dpkg then .. |
| 13:25.13 | MrFrood | I never said it did |
| 13:25.20 | kotique | sincerely i don't like lilliputes and dwarfs |
| 13:25.29 | kotique | that's an animal fear in me of them |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:26.22 | MrFrood | I'd rather build from source than use an ubuntu deb |
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| 13:27.49 | xand | kotique: what is it you want to install? |
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| 13:33.08 | kotique | i'm trying to install ms office xp |
| 13:33.15 | kotique | ms office xp.deb |
| 13:33.17 | kotique | thanks |
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| 13:38.31 | kotique | oh come on, dpkg doesn't process dependencies |
| 13:38.45 | kotique | it just stupidly installs the package, but leaves it unconfigured |
| 13:39.04 | kotique | I want it to abort if it doesn't find all deps |
| 13:39.35 | abrotman | kotique: call MS for help with installing their product |
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| 13:40.01 | petern_ | ms office xp.deb? what? |
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| 13:59.03 | padhu | I want to edit my digital photos, suggest me good application |
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| 13:59.49 | abrotman | edit them in what way? |
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| 14:03.18 | padhu | abrotman: sweat and block marks removal in faces |
| 14:03.52 | abrotman | eh .. never done that .. gimp i would imagine could help with that |
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| 14:04.15 | padhu | very basic things like colour, contrast and light adjustment. |
| 14:05.14 | padhu | abrotman: GIMP have not the direct tools to do this. any tricks to do this? |
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| 14:05.42 | abrotman | padhu: not that i would konw .. but there is a gimp channel and a lot of tutorials on their website |
| 14:06.47 | padhu | abrotman: good point, thanks :-) |
| 14:08.03 | padhu | I tried f-spot and shotwell |
| 14:08.31 | padhu | But i couldn't remove sweat and block marks. |
| 14:09.02 | amphi | padhu: gimp is very good for "colour, contrast and light adjustment" - I recommend 'edit curves', for a start |
| 14:09.46 | padhu | amphi: Yes, currently i am using that |
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| 14:20.17 | padhu | fotoxx is nice but it wouldn't satisfy my requirement |
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| 14:23.50 | amphi | padhu: BTW, I find decmpose to channels very nice for doing conversion to B/W |
| 14:25.19 | padhu | amphi: how? |
| 14:25.33 | amphi | eh? |
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| 14:40.25 | e7th04sh | Hi |
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| 14:42.27 | bartzy | Hi |
| 14:42.34 | e7th04sh | I have Radeon9200 and debian squeeze. I am using `radeon' driver and it's loaded, i have nonfree firmware package installed and mesa dri library as well. My Xorg.0.log has a warning that direct rendering is not enabled. glxinfo says direct rendering is enable, but it uses software rasterizer. glxgears yield about 10fps on fullscreen. What now? |
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| 14:43.32 | bartzy | I want to monitor my I/O usage over time.. is there any monitoring tool that can log that (over a week or two for example) ? Or anything else that's recommended ? I need to know the average IOPS, maybe peaks also, and other useful data (to know what server I should purchase) |
| 14:43.46 | plt2 | This is fun install web control panel. |
| 14:44.44 | petemc | bartzy: sysstat |
| 14:44.55 | bartzy | petemc: the package ? |
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| 14:44.59 | petemc | yes |
| 14:45.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | bartzy: What kind of I/O are you talking about? Keyboard/Screen I/O? |
| 14:45.27 | bartzy | can you point me to a specific tool inside it that fits that job ? Or I need to build something with logrotate or something similar |
| 14:45.39 | bartzy | jhutchins_lt2: Nope, HDD |
| 14:46.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | bartzy: In that case, yes, sysstat. |
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| 14:46.23 | petemc | bartzy: read up on it, it has a number of utilities that would be useful for what you describe |
| 14:46.23 | bartzy | But I need to know the average over time... |
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| 14:46.57 | petemc | you seem very keen to dismiss it without actually looking at what it does |
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| 14:47.25 | bartzy | OK.. my question is just if I'll have to bulid something... I have no problem with that |
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| 14:48.06 | bartzy | Also, how can I know the maximum I/O performance of a machine.. also with sysstat ? Anyone has any interesting articles about it (there are a lot of misleading information on the web)? |
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| 14:58.47 | innociv | So, about two weeks of setting up my server it seems ot of been compromised.. I had a hard password set up, denyhosts set up. I can't figure out how they got it. :/ |
| 14:59.05 | petemc | innociv: you run any php apps? |
| 14:59.09 | innociv | Yeah. |
| 14:59.13 | petemc | probably that |
| 14:59.17 | phik | is denyhost any better/worse than fail2ban? |
| 14:59.36 | phik | i thought fail2ban could be conf'd to work with several things over than ssh |
| 14:59.37 | innociv | security holes in php can get a rootkit on my system? |
| 14:59.41 | thewanderer1 | a system is as secure as its weakest link, so anything you run is an entry point |
| 15:00.24 | thewanderer1 | innociv: an attacker would then have to execute a local root exploit, too - and this is notoriously hard on current Debian setups |
| 15:00.32 | innociv | the php app is something i coded myself, which I would think would make it hard to figure out any security hole. |
| 15:00.49 | thewanderer1 | look, just turn off SSH password login and use keys |
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| 15:01.13 | petemc | its very unlikely to be ssh if there was a reasonable password |
| 15:01.19 | innociv | Well I have some perl things that were connecting to other ips, and i've had something named apache and httpd using up all my cpu(I don't have apache installed.) |
| 15:01.30 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 15:01.33 | innociv | The password I set is extremely difficult. |
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| 15:02.15 | thewanderer1 | so do you have a proper server or a VPS? |
| 15:02.26 | innociv | it's a dedicated server |
| 15:02.33 | thewanderer1 | then make it a VPS |
| 15:02.49 | plt2 | Sweet its installed. |
| 15:03.06 | innociv | hm? |
| 15:03.07 | thewanderer1 | set up a container/virtual machine and run your apps in that, and tell them to log via rsyslogd to mysql on the host system |
| 15:03.30 | thewanderer1 | you might see no point in running a container/VM, but there is one - additional layer of security |
| 15:04.32 | thewanderer1 | I tend to separate stuff into containers with OpenVZ - Apache here, MySQL there, and on another container there's the log server, all separated - you then at least know what your weakest link is by an analysis of what part got infected |
| 15:08.37 | thewanderer1 | and if you combine that with a smart filesystem/volume setup, you can avoid the hassle of re-installing the whole server software |
| 15:09.25 | e7th04sh | am i online? |
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| 15:09.40 | smiler | What's the recommened way of handling CPAN stuff on debian? I have a small app that needs about 15 of packages from CPAN. |
| 15:09.46 | e7th04sh | sure seems so, sorry... dns's failed |
| 15:10.30 | thewanderer1 | you might want to switch to OpenDNS - worse response times for me, but 100% uptime at least |
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| 15:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python-libavg |
| 15:14.29 | judd | Package python-libavg on i386 -- etch: 0.5.9-4+b1; lenny: 0.7.0-8; sid: 1.0.1-1 |
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| 15:32.33 | databridge | hello people i could need some help |
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| 15:33.57 | databridge | i have a 3ware 9500S-4LP controller and 4x 1.5 tb disks and created a raid 5 - in the controller it shows 4tb usable size but when i try to install there are 3 hard disks with 2.2tb and 100 gig |
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| 15:34.31 | databridge | i want to have only a single 4tb disk |
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| 15:38.21 | jelly-home | databridge: which debianb release / installer are you using? |
| 15:39.17 | databridge | i use a debian 5 dvd |
| 15:39.26 | databridge | but i also tried the newest ubuntu and its the same |
| 15:39.57 | jelly-home | databridge: in the installer shell (Ctrl-Alt-F2 or F3, I can't remember), how many sd* devices are there? ls -ld /sys/block/sd* |
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| 15:40.34 | Number6 | To clone a drive, I can just run "$cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" , right? |
| 15:40.37 | databridge | there are 3 drives - sda, sdb with 2.2 tb and sdc with 100 gig |
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| 15:41.48 | jelly-home | databridge: cat /sys/block/sd*/size ? |
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| 15:42.44 | jelly-home | (it's in sectors and I'm not sure if they're always 512B sectors, or reported physical sector size) |
| 15:42.59 | databridge | wait one moment i booting the dvd because i was testing something |
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| 15:45.16 | jelly-home | databridge: would be nice if you could pastebin full dmesg output, even if it's not from Debian |
| 15:46.01 | radon90 | Hi to everybody. I must transfer error log file from a debian notebook to another linux pc. In debian pc i can use only command line. What can i do to transfer this file? |
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| 15:48.58 | smacnay | radon90, if both have internet access, and you want to make it simple and easy over time, install dropbox and all files in the "dropbox" folder will be shared automagically. |
| 15:49.07 | smacnay | radon90, invest in a thumbdrive |
| 15:49.13 | jelly-home | databridge: I haven't used 3ware at all, is there some sort of array partitioning that you might have enabled or some weird 2TB compatibility mode? |
| 15:49.35 | smacnay | radius, or set up ssh and copy over that way. |
| 15:49.49 | databridge | jelly-home, there is a 2tb auto carving option which i have disabled but no change |
| 15:49.54 | smacnay | radius, sorry, that last message was for radon |
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| 15:50.10 | kaushal | Hi |
| 15:50.11 | kaushal | Can i push any DNS names to the DHCP Clients from my DHCP Server ? |
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| 15:50.22 | kaushal | For example Google DNS 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:51.07 | jelly-home | databridge: hmph. perhaps the array is already "carved" and it needs undoing |
| 15:51.19 | databridge | that could be |
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| 15:51.31 | databridge | i try to delete and reset everything and rebuild it |
| 15:51.31 | petemc | kaushal: option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8; |
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| 15:51.51 | kaushal | petemc: ok |
| 15:51.57 | kaushal | so it can be done ? |
| 15:52.06 | petemc | of course, thats what dhcp does |
| 15:52.15 | kaushal | I mean there is no restriction ? |
| 15:52.23 | petemc | what kind of restriction? |
| 15:52.44 | kaushal | so DHCP Server can push any search and nameserver domains and IPs ? |
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| 15:53.02 | kaushal | as long as it is valid |
| 15:53.29 | petemc | you can probably give out invalid ips if you want |
| 15:53.34 | petemc | but, yes |
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| 15:53.46 | kaushal | petemc: Thanks |
| 15:53.54 | petemc | np |
| 15:53.57 | kaushal | Also is Debian Squeeze released |
| 15:54.01 | petemc | not yet |
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| 15:54.18 | kaushal | But i saw its frozed |
| 15:54.32 | kaushal | when it is going to be released to general public |
| 15:54.43 | kaushal | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 |
| 15:55.47 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:55.50 | themill | kaushal: as that news release says, "when it's ready" |
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| 16:00.00 | bartzy | How can I tell the debian version on a system ? |
| 16:00.04 | databridge | jelly-home, this was the fault i have to rebuild the array after disabling auto carving now it works |
| 16:00.05 | bartzy | only /etc/debian_version ? |
| 16:00.14 | orschiro | hi guys, will I be able to install debian from the image I get from here: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze/current/amd64/iso-hybrid/ Or is it a pure live cd without installation possibility? |
| 16:00.30 | jelly-home | databridge: yeah, I suspected as much |
| 16:00.38 | databridge | jelly-home, thank you :) |
| 16:01.16 | jelly-home | databridge: the array was carved once and for all... a pumpkin can't be uncarved |
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| 16:02.01 | databridge | and i was googling the whole day and wondering whats going on |
| 16:02.30 | databridge | i want to make a anecrypted fs should i choose this on the installation or do i have to create it later? |
| 16:02.46 | databridge | the root partition should also be encrypted |
| 16:03.06 | jelly-home | will have to pass on that one, no experience with encrypted block devices |
| 16:04.04 | databridge | i will try |
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| 16:05.06 | orschiro | anyone? |
| 16:06.21 | Bushmills | orschiro: installing debian, albeit maybe not having a fully automatic installation procedure, can be done from virtually any running debian system, by using debootstrap. |
| 16:06.26 | Jarvis | e/win 2 |
| 16:06.28 | Jarvis | fail |
| 16:07.40 | orschiro | @Bushmills: So I boot from debian live and then use debootstrap? But there is no installer itself included right? |
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| 16:08.10 | Bushmills | depends what one calls an "installer". in a way, debootstrap is an installer |
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| 16:08.58 | jelly-home | it's even listed as a method in the install giude |
| 16:09.00 | Bushmills | it does *not* install a linux kernel. |
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| 16:09.46 | orschiro | An installer such as Mint or Ubuntu serves. Or even the installer debian itself uses on the common images. My aim is an installed debian testing with gnome but unfortunately the netinstall image can't provide wpa2 connections. So I'm looking for an alternative way |
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| 16:10.13 | Bushmills | debootstrap should do then |
| 16:10.37 | Bushmills | (assuming the live cd gives you wlan access) |
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| 16:11.48 | orschiro | Of course. The syntax of debootstrap looks pretty simple, it's just one command line. What can I configure when using it? Or is it some kind of automatic installer? |
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| 16:12.25 | Bushmills | it downloads all files for a bare bone system, except boot loader, kernel. |
| 16:12.36 | Bushmills | (and installs them) |
| 16:13.01 | kaushal | Bushmills: Hi |
| 16:13.04 | thewanderer1 | you don't configure it, you wrap it up in a script or do it by hand (chroot, install kernel and udev, get some bootloader, proceed from there) |
| 16:13.24 | kaushal | Just went through the email on OpenVPN Mailing list |
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| 16:13.51 | kaushal | so on the client side i can set ping 10 and ping-restart 60 |
| 16:14.06 | kaushal | I mean if there is a network issue |
| 16:14.35 | orschiro | Oh that sounds pretty customized. Hm I don't think that my knowledge is that deep to be able to handle debootstrap. So just starting with the default debian installer in a live environment is not possible? |
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| 16:15.43 | un214 | how do I pull a package from a particular repository (package is in more than one) |
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| 16:16.06 | Soothsayer | is there a package to install and setup ruby on rails with apache? |
| 16:16.10 | Soothsayer | phusion passenger or something ? |
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| 16:18.08 | thewanderer1 | un214: aptitude -t whichrelease install whatyouneed, or you can configure apt-pinning (/msg dpkg apt-pinning) |
| 16:18.31 | un214 | not release, repository for same release |
| 16:18.45 | thewanderer1 | then pinning it is |
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| 16:19.11 | sedulous | does anyone have some sort of "find" 1-liner that finds invalid filenames? |
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| 16:19.25 | jelly-home | sedulous: define invalid |
| 16:19.35 | sedulous | jelly-home: invalid UTF-8 encoding |
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| 16:19.58 | sedulous | (the file system contains folders that were copied from a FAT32 volume that was mounted with the wrong encoding) |
| 16:19.58 | un214 | what, you never saw a file with a / in its name? |
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| 16:20.10 | Bushmills | sedulous: fslint - but that has a gui |
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| 16:20.43 | sedulous | a GUI is okay too, thanks |
| 16:20.51 | jelly-home | un214: or \0 |
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| 16:21.03 | un214 | \0 usually works just fine |
| 16:21.21 | un214 | the kernel's compare in the fs driver handles it the same way as userspace |
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| 16:22.42 | sedulous | Bushmills: fslint is perfect. "Bad names" + [x] invalid UTF8 mode |
| 16:23.03 | sedulous | ugh, 286 bad file names in my music collection |
| 16:23.11 | jelly-home | /o\ |
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| 16:23.45 | sedulous | 90% of it is garbage which i can just delete anyway tho : ) |
| 16:25.16 | un214 | ok got lucky -- the version of mplayer on debian multimedia is > than debian |
| 16:26.53 | jelly-home | un214: that's not "lucky", that's by design of the d-m repository. Except when Debian breaks it |
| 16:27.04 | un214 | oh good |
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| 16:28.30 | jelly-home | usually Marillat bumps his packages up an epoch |
| 16:29.25 | un214 | probably an atrocious workaround for no package-repository bindings |
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| 16:34.26 | bolt | is there a neat way of allowing a normal user to shutdown the machine without using sudo? |
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| 16:37.33 | un214 | control+alt+del from a vterm (not X) usually does the trick |
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| 16:39.43 | un214 | for cmdline, install this suid-root: int main(){setreuid(0, 0); execvl("/sbin/shutdown", "/sbin/shutdown", "-h", (char *)NULL);} |
| 16:39.50 | un214 | bolt: ^^ |
| 16:41.00 | bolt | un214: thanks |
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| 16:59.56 | bolt | un214: that worked perfectly :) |
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| 17:10.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was thinking of installing the testing branch and was about to burn it but how do you label a testing disk? It doesnt really have a character name like the stable versions have so how do I label it? Something like "Debian Testing - 11/14/10"? With just a date to signify a sort of version? |
| 17:10.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Also is testing supported if I come here for help with it? |
| 17:10.55 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: not really, but there's no better place to ask |
| 17:11.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok. |
| 17:11.19 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: it has a name -- "squeeze" |
| 17:11.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok |
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| 17:12.02 | jelly-home | codenames make outsiders shy away |
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| 17:14.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | So I read that testing branch is refered to as a rolling release version. If I understand it correctly, that means that I can install it once and never have to reinstall or do a dist upgrade correct, and I would have the benefit of new apps getting added when they get copied from sid correct? |
| 17:14.56 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: you'd also get the benefit of no security fixes |
| 17:15.23 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: dist-upgrades may still be necessary. testing is also frozen at present so it's not really changing that much. |
| 17:15.53 | pipeline | LinuxGuy2009: dist-upgrade and upgrade are actually not very different. You are correct that the rate of change is pretty reasonable. (Most of the time.) |
| 17:16.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: You dont like testing branch much huh? |
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| 17:17.18 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: I don't like pushing it on users without making them aware of fallbacks |
| 17:17.24 | jelly-home | drawbacks* |
| 17:17.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | I see |
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| 17:17.35 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: testing is called testing for a reason. It's there for people who are participating in debian development. We end up wasting a lot of time in here solving problems that users of testing should be able to solve on their own. |
| 17:17.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm ok |
| 17:18.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm in limbo as far as deciding what branch or distro change to make. Stable feels pretty boring for a desktop system. |
| 17:18.46 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: eg. I'm actually running testing on this machine, at my home. But I also have something like 14 years of Debian experience and am able to fix things and know when not to upgrade |
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| 17:19.11 | jelly-home | if you do work on a machine, you probably _want_ boring |
| 17:19.20 | pipeline | I've always been very happy with sid on my desktop. |
| 17:19.27 | jelly-home | !spank pipeline |
| 17:19.27 | dpkg | bends pipeline over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 17:19.41 | pipeline | I'm also happy to roll my own packages, work around catastrophic breakage, and downgrade to snapshot trees when necessary |
| 17:19.46 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: all my machines run stable -- including all the desktop machines. |
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| 17:20.24 | krisfremen | i run stable on most machines, except my netbook and my testing pc |
| 17:20.57 | error4o4 | anyone experienced with LFTP? trying to mirror only predefined files/folders.. mirrow -I file* -I folder* .. still downloads other folders as well. any idea? |
| 17:20.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | krisfremen: Whats on your netbook if you dont mind me asking? I have to consider what to put on my Dell Mini 10v netbook as well. |
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| 17:21.08 | krisfremen | squeeze |
| 17:21.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | krisfremen: Is that cause you needed the newer kernel? |
| 17:21.36 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: ubuntu netbook edition 10.04.1 LTS on my Aspire One |
| 17:21.39 | jelly-home | hides |
| 17:21.53 | krisfremen | support for hardware mostly |
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| 17:22.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: I actually LOVE ubuntu netbook desktop. But ubuntu and aptoncd created repo discks are a no go and reason why I ditched ubuntu. |
| 17:22.53 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: possible. This one was upgraded from 9.04 or so |
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| 17:24.04 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: if it's very fresh or weird hardware (intel GMA500?), kernel/xorg and therefore distros may have trouble building up decent support |
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| 17:25.09 | jelly-home | however, this will apply to any distro and some other might work not because it's a better distro, but because it has a different set of driver versions |
| 17:25.32 | joel2 | Hi. Does apache use a authication module when you close your broser on the web server it will close the connection on the web application? |
| 17:26.43 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: when Debian fails installing on a server for me, I don't ditch Debian, but use an alternate install method instead; typically an installer or livecd with a newer kernel |
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| 17:28.03 | jelly-home | joel2: http, that is, tcp connection to the server will be closed anyway on closing the browser. Can you explain in more detail how does an auth module come into your picture? |
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| 17:29.06 | joel2 | It sounds like the application this guy wrote does not include logoff button and and he is using authication to terminate the users aconnection when the browser is closed. |
| 17:29.54 | jelly-home | joel2: this guy? What is your real situation? |
| 17:29.56 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 17:29.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:31.11 | joel2 | Let me think I how I can rephrase the question,. |
| 17:31.18 | jelly-home | joel2: please be less vague if you can. Provide actual data, including app names, logs, screenshots and similar |
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| 17:32.22 | joel2 | Goto this http://dtc.taylorassociate.com/dtc.admin/ and it will not ask for you the login prompt. |
| 17:32.28 | joel2 | Shit |
| 17:32.42 | joel2 | http://dtc.taylorassociate.com/dtcadmin/ |
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| 17:34.34 | jelly-home | ok...? (also, that app is quite horrible, username and password/hash in url?) |
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| 17:35.25 | joel2 | I am trying to figure out it apache authorization module is missing and that is why the logoff is not working. |
| 17:35.32 | jelly-home | I'm not sure you want this url to be available on a public, logged IRC channel |
| 17:35.36 | joel2 | authication module. |
| 17:36.41 | joel2 | Please do not create a user on it |
| 17:36.42 | jelly-home | oh. If I had to guess, I'd say the php-written app provides its own authentication stuff, and it doesn't do it well |
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| 17:37.27 | joel2 | Do you think the authication module is missing? |
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| 17:38.07 | doublehp | how to override domain/search for /etc/resolv.conf when using dhclient3 ? |
| 17:38.08 | jelly-home | joel2: I think you need to look at the web server logs and the app's logs |
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| 17:39.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: Do you mean that you want to override the changes that dhclient makes to resolv.conf, or you want them to override what's already there? |
| 17:40.29 | doublehp | dhcp server does not provide those, i want to set them "manually" |
| 17:40.40 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: I know it can be done but I don't remember exactly where... |
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| 17:42.23 | e7th04sh | I have Radeon9200 and debian squeeze. I am using `radeon' driver and it's loaded, i have nonfree firmware package installed and mesa dri library as well. My Xorg.0.log has a warning that direct rendering is not enabled. glxinfo says direct rendering is enable, but it uses software rasterizer. glxgears yield about 10fps on fullscreen. What now? |
| 17:42.40 | bentaelo | hi guys I am having trouble installing apache2 I am a newbie in debian, if anyone can help me out, I have pasted the Error and my sources.list here http://hpaste.org/41467/apache_problem |
| 17:42.50 | doublehp | e7th04sh: 24h i am waiting for you to pastebin it |
| 17:43.09 | rozie | e7th04sh: you need to enable direct rendering |
| 17:43.41 | rozie | this card worked fine on Lenny, so I bet it will work on Squeeze too |
| 17:43.54 | doublehp | rozie: except if is referring to the line just under "do not pay attention to the next line saying it's disabled" |
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| 17:44.36 | jelly-home | joel2: I'd also contact the dtc maintainer to see how this can happen, especially if you just installed the package and started using it |
| 17:44.50 | rozie | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 17:45.03 | rozie | will explain everything |
| 17:45.04 | rozie | ;) |
| 17:46.18 | rue_more | xmove was removed because no other peice of software references it!? |
| 17:46.26 | rue_more | what if I want to use xmove directly? |
| 17:46.59 | rue_more | I have 2 servers on my machine, I want to move apps between them, how do you suggest I do this??? |
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| 17:47.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: In dhclient.conf, supersede domain-name-servers <dns1-ip>, <dns2-ip>; |
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| 17:47.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: You can also supersede the domain name. |
| 17:47.53 | doublehp | i see what you mean |
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| 17:48.23 | thewanderer1 | could Apache2 (mpm-itk) with PHP running as module be consuming 1GB of RAM on a site that sees a few visits daily? |
| 17:48.44 | flock-_ | is there any guide how I create an user account to access ftp/ssh but limited? I mean cannot see other users folders |
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| 17:49.18 | doublehp | what about "search" ? "search-name" ? |
| 17:49.31 | rue_more | is there a guide as to how I re-release xmms1 as a debian package? |
| 17:49.44 | thewanderer1 | flock-_: ProFTPd has a config option for this, while you can configure openssh to chroot the user, too. why would you want to do that is unclear to me. |
| 17:50.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: I believe they can all be overridden. |
| 17:50.06 | petan | bentaelo: you are probably missing line in sources |
| 17:50.53 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt2: i meant: what's the keyword in dhcpclient langage for the search field of resolv.conf ? |
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| 17:50.55 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: yes, of course. it is posible, especially when configured wrong. however, one of my serwers runs under 200Mb of ram with ~50 visits a day (Apache2 + PHP 5.2 + MySQL) |
| 17:51.32 | bentaelo | petan, umm .. well i did some research and Im honestly not able to figure out which one .. do i need to specify which library ? would u be able to help me out on that |
| 17:51.41 | thewanderer1 | I guess it's either a misconfiguration on my part or a huge bug, then, ksx4system |
| 17:51.45 | petan | bentaelo: lenny main |
| 17:52.07 | petan | add it to sources.list |
| 17:52.29 | petan | nvm I see you use volatile |
| 17:52.42 | bentaelo | oh . |
| 17:52.51 | thewanderer1 | petan: volatile doesn't contain everything that lenny main does |
| 17:53.01 | thewanderer1 | just a few packages |
| 17:53.07 | petan | ok then add it |
| 17:54.00 | qwd | I have converted my flac music collection to mp3, and the mp3 files are in the same folders. What would be an easy way to move all /flac/album/*.mp3 to /mp3/album/ ? |
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| 17:54.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: try "domain" |
| 17:54.45 | thewanderer1 | qwd: mv /flac/album/*.mp3 /mp3/album |
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| 17:55.12 | bentaelo | petan, ok thanks, would be you be kind and paste me the exact line to add I might sound dumb but I am new in this |
| 17:55.19 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt2: domain is domain-name; i am asking if search is search, or search-name |
| 17:55.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | qwd: mv /flac/album /mp3/ |
| 17:55.25 | petan | sure, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 17:55.28 | qwd | thewanderer1: I want album1 to go into album1 and album2 to go into album2. Not a big folder containing *all* my mp3s |
| 17:55.41 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: Try it. |
| 17:55.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: It's assumed that your native domain is the domain to search. |
| 17:56.27 | doublehp | domain and search have different scopes; i need to specify both |
| 17:56.32 | metalfoo | qwd: Use an ID3 tagger like easytag. That one allows you to conditionally move files. |
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| 17:56.49 | jhutchins_lt2 | Ok, then you'll have to search it out yourself if the keyword "search" is not working. |
| 17:57.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: Also, you can use the dhcp script settings to cause it to do nothing to resolv.conf. |
| 17:57.29 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: I found a lot of hits using "dhcp resolv.conf". |
| 17:57.30 | bentaelo | petan, thanks |
| 17:57.45 | petan | works? |
| 17:57.46 | doublehp | no, i need to inherit DNS servers from server ... |
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| 17:57.59 | qwd | metalfoo: ah I didn't know easytag would be able to do that on the mp3s and leave the flacs alone |
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| 17:58.27 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt2: forget it, i giveup |
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| 17:58.55 | qwd | metalfoo: but I think a few of my albums will have trouble with this since the folder wasn't created from tags on all of them. multiple artists and such. |
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| 17:59.13 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: if you don't need Apache for things like Direct Admin/cPanel/Webmin etc. just use lighttpd instead :) |
| 18:00.16 | metalfoo | qwd: You can rename to whatever pattern you wish, like ~my_collection/%artist/%album/%filename.mp3 (n.b. patterns not real) |
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| 18:02.23 | pythoned | Hi, I installed debian squeeze, gui install(beginner) with kde, all went fine, reboot but now I am greeted by a comand prompt. Why doesn't kde start? |
| 18:02.38 | bentaelo | petan, same Error message |
| 18:02.41 | pythoned | I tried startx, kde, kde start...:) |
| 18:02.53 | metalfoo | What happens on startx? |
| 18:02.56 | petan | bentaelo: try apt-get update |
| 18:03.08 | bentaelo | i did |
| 18:03.11 | pythoned | command not found. |
| 18:03.22 | bentaelo | petan, I did |
| 18:03.25 | pythoned | startx...no typo... |
| 18:03.25 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: I'd love to, but I have to put up with various users on my system so I have to run PHP under different UID's :( |
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| 18:04.08 | bentaelo | petan, no luck yet |
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| 18:04.14 | pythoned | any suggestions? |
| 18:04.25 | petan | add deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main, and deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib |
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| 18:04.47 | metalfoo | pythoned: You may not have installed xinit and/or a display manager of your choice (starting X11 on its own) |
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| 18:05.31 | pythoned | metalfoo: so what do i do in this case? I did check install base system. |
| 18:05.34 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: paste somewhere the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log - it's probably a driver issue... |
| 18:05.42 | metalfoo | pythoned: apt-get install xinit kdm |
| 18:05.44 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: did you also check graphical environment? |
| 18:06.07 | thewanderer1 | (hint: base system does not include graphical environment) |
| 18:06.09 | pythoned | there were only two thins, ssh server and base system. |
| 18:06.19 | thewanderer1 | aww, so you have no KDE actually |
| 18:06.40 | metalfoo | Is there still the KDE virtual package? |
| 18:06.51 | pythoned | It's on my laptop, I don't know how to paste....since I'm using a desktop...damn |
| 18:06.54 | jelly-home | !tell metalfoo about install kde |
| 18:07.13 | metalfoo | Well, better tell pythoned. |
| 18:07.28 | thewanderer1 | on Squeeze, you will actually want KDE4 |
| 18:07.50 | pythoned | But the cd had there lxde, xfce...kde, so I was so happy and selected kde...and after that graphical install. |
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| 18:08.00 | bentaelo | petan, sorry to bother you again, but It's still the same ... am i running the command properly apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 18:08.07 | metalfoo | pythoned: Don't worry. Just install it. |
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| 18:08.16 | pythoned | So what should I do now? |
| 18:08.23 | bentaelo | You should explicitly select one to install.? what';s that suppose to mean ? |
| 18:08.27 | pythoned | I only have a xomand prompt... |
| 18:08.36 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: apt-get install xinit kdm kde-standard |
| 18:09.32 | petan | bentaelo: yes it is right, try aptitude |
| 18:09.39 | petan | bentaelo: then check if you see it |
| 18:10.03 | pythoned | thewanderer1: unable to find package.... |
| 18:10.14 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: if apt-get whines about missing packages, ask dpkg about squeeze sources.list: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 18:10.30 | thewanderer1 | oh, I missed the factoid |
| 18:10.32 | pythoned | thewanderer1: isn't kde on my disc?:(it needs internet? |
| 18:10.46 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I guess |
| 18:10.47 | petan | bentaelo: do you use stable? |
| 18:11.02 | bentaelo | petan, yes |
| 18:11.03 | pythoned | laptop is not conected to the internet, my only mirror is the cd... |
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| 18:11.20 | thewanderer1 | pythoned: then you will probably need to find a way to link it to the net |
| 18:11.22 | bentaelo | petan, I tried aptitude, and I think it worked ? |
| 18:11.33 | bentaelo | how can i check the apache status ? |
| 18:11.50 | petan | bentaelo: why your sources does not contain those lines? |
| 18:12.00 | pythoned | I have a router but only one lan cable so I need to use this one. |
| 18:12.00 | petan | bentaelo: did you installed it? |
| 18:12.10 | pythoned | Be right back to see if it works |
| 18:12.13 | bentaelo | to be honest, I had some trouble isntalling mysql |
| 18:12.23 | bentaelo | i played around with the sources.list file |
| 18:12.45 | bentaelo | well .. im not sure |
| 18:12.47 | bentaelo | how can i check |
| 18:12.51 | petan | bentaelo: check what |
| 18:13.01 | bentaelo | if it's installed correctly |
| 18:13.20 | petan | bentaelo: apache? check if it is running you can connect to localhost to see |
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| 18:14.09 | petan | bentaelo: or ps aux |
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| 18:18.58 | Soothsayer | for some reason |
| 18:19.27 | Soothsayer | when i try to use tab to do an autocomplete through putty connected to my server.. it does not work as expected |
| 18:19.42 | Soothsayer | if i type |
| 18:19.44 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: switch encoding to UTF-8, try again |
| 18:19.48 | Soothsayer | cd ra (and now press a tab) |
| 18:19.57 | Soothsayer | it completes as |
| 18:19.57 | Soothsayer | cd ra-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'ra' ): No such file or directory |
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| 18:20.03 | fas3r | hello |
| 18:20.23 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: switch the encoding where? |
| 18:20.28 | fas3r | i got a problem with openvpn. I have a dedicated server, when i use the server like a proxy i dont have problem when i download a file, i mean i download at 900ko/s for example but if i use openvpn i download max at 300ko ano idea ? (i already made the test-mtu and fix it... any idea :/ ) |
| 18:20.39 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: in PuTTY, assuming your server is using UTF-8 as well |
| 18:21.11 | Soothsayer | well, ive never touched anything related to encoding |
| 18:21.21 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: and my putty works fine with other linux servers |
| 18:21.30 | Soothsayer | so i dont think the encoding in putty is the problem |
| 18:21.31 | thewanderer1 | perhaps just not this one... |
| 18:21.56 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: you might want to try Bitvise Tunnellier, which is often better at input handling |
| 18:22.10 | joel2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.46 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: ill try |
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| 18:23.00 | Soothsayer | downloading it |
| 18:23.04 | Soothsayer | but i dont think the problem is with the client |
| 18:23.16 | joel2 | Can someone take a look this http://pastebin.com/GuzaVNyb |
| 18:23.46 | fas3r | joel2: and ? |
| 18:24.13 | joel2 | It was want to remove all the packages that I installed for gplhost. |
| 18:24.26 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: there |
| 18:24.27 | Soothsayer | ? |
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| 18:24.37 | Soothsayer | the problem even happens if i conenct using 'ssh' form within the server itsel |
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| 18:24.54 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: have you checked for memory problems? low on RAM? |
| 18:25.07 | thewanderer1 | this often turns out to be just OoM |
| 18:25.24 | joel2 | Is there any way to work around it please? |
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| 18:25.55 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: no cant be a memory problem |
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| 18:26.46 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: somehow, it does not ahppen to the root ssh account |
| 18:26.50 | Soothsayer | the autocomplete works fine |
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| 18:27.40 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps you've broken your bashrc? or, well, it could still be out of memory. OoM killer prefers user processes over root's. |
| 18:28.24 | thewanderer1 | check with 'free -m' and see the logs: `dmesg | less` then using End key scroll down and see any signs of OOM killer - they look like kernel oops |
| 18:28.53 | Soothsayer | Real memory: 1007.16 MB total / 717.87 MB free Swap space: 400.02 MB total / 399.39 MB free |
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| 18:29.14 | Soothsayer | there's enough free memory |
| 18:29.24 | thewanderer1 | yes, there seems to be |
| 18:29.31 | thewanderer1 | check the logs anyway |
| 18:29.31 | joel2 | I do not remove any packages. |
| 18:30.32 | Soothsayer | i cant interpret these logs well, but nothing abnormal |
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| 18:31.02 | joel2 | What I am looking for? |
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| 18:32.14 | joel2 | Couldn't find package "upgrade". However, the following |
| 18:32.32 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: so it seems to be some per-user configuration issue |
| 18:33.13 | Soothsayer | yes |
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| 18:34.54 | Soothsayer | but im not sure how to go about resolving this |
| 18:35.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | Soothsayer: It works normally in a regular console session? |
| 18:36.24 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt2: for the root yes, other users no |
| 18:36.42 | Soothsayer | wait |
| 18:36.47 | Soothsayer | let me try @ jhutchins_lt2 |
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| 18:37.09 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt2: no it does not work for users |
| 18:37.13 | Soothsayer | same problem |
| 18:37.15 | Soothsayer | the compgen.... |
| 18:38.14 | pythoned | Hi back again, I reinstalled squeeze with gnome now, upon restart still no gnome but a command prompt. Tried startx, gdm, gdm start, nothing. What do i do? |
| 18:38.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | You can only tab complete things that you can do - if a user can't run a program, they can't tab complete it's name, etc. |
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| 18:38.38 | pythoned | I tried searching on google, no relevant answer found. |
| 18:38.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | pythoned: Did you install X? |
| 18:39.08 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: it looks like a bash-completion problem, try moving aside the files from /etc/bash_completion.d/ or disabling bash-completion altogether |
| 18:39.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | pythoned: can you startx? |
| 18:39.29 | pythoned | jhutchins_lt2: I did a graphical install and selected base system-i'm an ex ubuntu user(beginner). |
| 18:39.40 | jhutchins_lt2 | pythoned: can you startx? |
| 18:39.48 | jelly-home | joel2: just run aptitude install packages you want to keep |
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| 18:49.50 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: how do i check it ? |
| 18:50.07 | joel2 | Does anyone know of any way that I work around the problem? |
| 18:50.14 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: `echo $SHELL` as the user |
| 18:50.29 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: /bin/sh |
| 18:50.54 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: so you're expecting Bash completion to work with non-bash... heh. change your shell to /bin/bash |
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| 18:51.00 | thewanderer1 | how'd you create the user, anyway? |
| 18:51.53 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: oh i see.. |
| 18:52.08 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: i didnt create this user.. it was on this system.. |
| 18:52.12 | joel2 | Why the dpkg unless |
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| 18:52.21 | Soothsayer | but it runs virtualmin/webmin so im sure through that |
| 18:52.58 | bentaelo | Hi guys, new question, I ran aptitude install apache2, I think it went okay, no errors seen but /etc/init.d/apache2 doesn't seem to be created ? |
| 18:53.06 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: ah, Webmin, the ever-breaking incompatibility-inducing tool... I was somehow suspecting that a third-party tool took part in that... |
| 18:53.44 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: c'mon, its not that bad.. at least its better than cpanel and plesk |
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| 18:54.42 | joel2 | Thewanderer1 The author of webmin did a good job with the installer |
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| 18:55.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | !webmin |
| 18:55.38 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:55.42 | Soothsayer | joel2: oh ye definitely a breeze |
| 18:56.01 | joel2 | It does not break debian like the other programs do. |
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| 18:58.07 | bentaelo | kindly asking for some help, I tried aptitude install apache2, didn't seem to install it, I ran apt-get install apache2 Error: Package apache2 is a virtual package provided by: |
| 18:58.07 | bentaelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.31 | bentaelo | it said : You should explicitly select one to install. |
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| 18:58.43 | bentaelo | any suggestions on how to do so |
| 18:59.43 | petan | bentaelo: in aptitude search for apache with / |
| 18:59.45 | stittel | Hi! I am migrating my Debian server installation to another server and have a problem with Dovecot. With the default config files as well as with the config file I copied from my old server, Dovecot seems to start (it says so in the logs and dovecot proceses are created), but it does not react. |
| 19:00.01 | amee2k | hmmmm this is odd. i just ran debootstrap for deb 5.0, i386 and it says cannot authenticate package libpam-modules. is this normal? |
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| 19:00.12 | bentaelo | petan, what;s the command for that |
| 19:00.21 | petan | bentaelo: aptitude, then press / |
| 19:00.36 | stittel | Also strangely when I call "/etc/init.d/dovecot start/stop" I don't get any console output (even though starting and stopping seems to work, i.e. processes are created/destroted). This is different on my old server where I get proper starting/stopping messages. Of course, dovecot is not included in /etc/inetd.conf. |
| 19:00.44 | amee2k | the command in question was: debootstrap --arch=i386 lenny serterm-stable/ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 19:01.06 | amee2k | everything works and i seem to be able to manually install it after chrooting into the new tree |
| 19:03.02 | jhutchins_lt2 | stittel: It's normal for init scripts to have no output, they are usually run by the master init process. |
| 19:03.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | stittel: Is it running in ps ax? |
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| 19:04.02 | stittel | jhutchins_lt2: Yes, but it is not reacting when I try to connect to it with an e-mail client. Also, the dovecot init script on my old server (also running Debian lenny) is creating starting/stopping messages when I call the init script. |
| 19:04.24 | jhutchins_lt2 | stittel: Turn on debugging. |
| 19:04.48 | jhutchins_lt2 | stittel: in the dovecot conf |
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| 19:06.00 | stittel | jhutchins_lt2: Alright. Wait a sec. |
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| 19:09.11 | stittel | jhutchins_lt2: Hm, strangely it somewhat works now, even though my mail client could detect server capabilities in the first approach again. I'll need to dig into it further and well come back in case of more problem. Thanks for now! :) |
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| 19:10.21 | K0JIbKA | I have Debian Lenny installed both on netbook(WiFi LAN) and laptop(eth0). LAN is organized using router. Both machines have Internet access. GNOME has to show Network Servers in it. How to make both machines to see each other in GNOME Nautilus window using LAN? |
| 19:10.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | stittel: heh. Debian's like that sometimes, reboot it a couple of times everything's ok. |
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| 19:11.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | K0JIbKA: put their ip addresses in their hosts file. |
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| 19:12.03 | jhutchins_lt2 | K0JIbKA: put their ip addresses in their hosts file. |
| 19:13.01 | jelly-home | jhutchins is not a fan of zeroconf / mdns / avahi? |
| 19:13.26 | metalfoo | Apparently noone should be. |
| 19:13.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | jelly-home: Not familiar with them, I tend toward old-school networking. |
| 19:13.38 | K0JIbKA | http://pastebin.com/8VMqxYsN that is /etc/hosts for laptop |
| 19:13.45 | jelly-home | K0JIbKA: neither am I, I'd go with statically assigned IP addresses as well |
| 19:14.51 | metalfoo | I could live with avahi and all this things, but I'm really bored to kick that stuff out of my desktops just because they come as dependency in KDE and so on. |
| 19:14.56 | K0JIbKA | and netbook is missing it. working on it at the moment |
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| 19:15.22 | jelly-home | metalfoo: I don't uninstall it, just disable the configuration and services. |
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| 19:16.05 | metalfoo | I fear the day IPv6 gets deployed. |
| 19:16.35 | jelly-home | ipv6 is getting deployed AS WE SPEAK |
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| 19:16.41 | metalfoo | Well, in theory. |
| 19:17.00 | jordanm | metalfoo: you will even find people in this channel logged in via ipv6 |
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| 19:17.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | I don't think ipv6 works. It's not hierarchical by physical network location. |
| 19:17.55 | metalfoo | jordanm: So what? Its not yet in mainstream use and until then I won't be bothered with link-local auto configuration stuff like zeroconf tries to achieve in IPv4. |
| 19:18.07 | jelly-home | metalfoo: it's too late to stop it, I fear, much like DNSSEC |
| 19:18.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | jordanm: Yeah, but is it a true ipv6-ipv6 connection, or is it tunneled over an ipv4 connection that's actually functional? |
| 19:18.32 | K0JIbKA | jelly-home: both machines have Static IP at LAN |
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| 19:18.42 | flock-_ | anyone familiar with openvz that can give me a hand installing? |
| 19:18.54 | KB1JWQ | flock-_: What's your issue> |
| 19:19.00 | metalfoo | jelly-home: Maybe I'll get comfortable at some point with sexy IPv6 address notations. |
| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | :: |
| 19:19.41 | thewanderer1 | I'd be long using IPv6 addresses but OpenVZ doesn't support IPv6 conntrack which is a real show-stopper at the moment |
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| 19:21.22 | bentaelo | petan, is there any way I can freshly remove all apache2 stuff that I have, and get the default debian sources.list file ? |
| 19:21.39 | bentaelo | petan, besides reinstalling debian |
| 19:21.54 | thewanderer1 | flock-_: 0. install linux-image-whatever-openvz, be sure to pick right architecture. 1. install vzctl and vzquota packages. 2. reboot into the new kernel. |
| 19:21.54 | petan | bentaelo: sure |
| 19:22.01 | petan | bentaelo: apt-get purge apache2 |
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| 19:22.55 | petan | bentaelo: I could send you sources in pm if you want |
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| 19:23.26 | bentaelo | couldn't lock var/lib/dpkg, im restarting now |
| 19:23.35 | bentaelo | petan, that would be great |
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| 19:29.44 | K0JIbKA | so far no changes... |
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| 19:32.52 | karamorf | from what I've read so far, its impossible to compile alsa with a custom kernal? Is that true? just trying to decide if i want to buy a sound card that works or not run debian |
| 19:33.24 | diegows | karamorf: It's false |
| 19:35.32 | jakdarippa | anyone ever deal with 1and1.com ? i'm looking for a reliable/inexpensive webhosting company. |
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| 19:36.19 | angel-tsankov | is looking for an mp3 tag editor |
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| 19:38.50 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: thanks for solving that problem.. switching to bash worked :) |
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| 19:39.44 | K0JIbKA | both machines /etc/hosts file are as follows: http://pastebin.com/nEmDJRzA and still I can't see them in Network connections. How to enable machines see each other on LAN then? |
| 19:39.57 | karamorf | diegows: well I can't find anything that tells me how to do it successfully. happen to have a link handy for whatever documentation i need to read to actually achieve this? |
| 19:40.00 | K0JIbKA | reboot completed |
| 19:40.29 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: what do you mean "see each other"? do you really want small clickable shiny jumping icons? |
| 19:40.57 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: a sort of yes:) |
| 19:41.00 | thewanderer1 | karamorf: what would you need to compile ALSA for? |
| 19:41.03 | karamorf | oh wait ... this is a channel for lenny ... running squeeze probably makes a difference |
| 19:41.18 | diegows | karamorf: no, I don't have any link but should be easy |
| 19:41.25 | K0JIbKA | now to send files I have to use Opera Unite |
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| 19:41.50 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: can't you just share them via NFS or sth like that? |
| 19:42.02 | karamorf | thewanderer1: because it doesn't have ALC892 support by default, http://friendpaste.com/1CgTU2rkeGO011Yc4plru5 |
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| 19:42.24 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: that's what I'm trying to do |
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| 19:42.35 | K0JIbKA | no success though |
| 19:42.41 | michlemken | what notebook is good to run debian ? |
| 19:42.45 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: alright... GNOME seems to only support exporting via Samba, which is ridiculous |
| 19:43.30 | thewanderer1 | michlemken: ThinkPads (!IdeaPad && !ThinkPad_Edge) are supported best by GNU/Linux as far as I know, the rest is $RANDOM |
| 19:43.34 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: Samba is up and running, only Windows network is there. What to install next? |
| 19:44.25 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: I think there's an option to share directories when you enter Properties (right-click) |
| 19:44.52 | michlemken | thewanderer1, where ! is NOT (i guess) - thanks |
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| 19:45.43 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: otherwise, you can just install nfs-kernel-server, edit /etc/exports and mount it on the other computer (need nfs-common on the client) |
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| 19:46.03 | foetus | is closing his PHP Book for Today..and is watching TV |
| 19:46.26 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.41 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: you're not getting "shiny icons", but at least you can mount a remote folder and work with it as it was local: see, here I have /home/thewanderer and it is a remote dir, yet I access it normally |
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| 19:48.16 | joel2 | What is Can't find /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/auth/cookie.auth.lib.php |
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| 19:48.28 | thewanderer1 | joel2: it is an error :P |
| 19:49.10 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: netbook is missing nfs-kernel-server I'm going to install it, any clients required? |
| 19:49.53 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: NFS is a part of standard Debian kernels, on the client you only need nfs-common package |
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| 19:50.35 | joel2 | Is that some other lib that I need to load apache/ |
| 19:51.48 | thewanderer1 | joel2: you'd better go ask #php or #phpmyadmin ... |
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| 19:57.23 | amee2k | ummm |
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| 19:57.29 | amee2k | this question may sound odd |
| 19:57.40 | amee2k | but how old exactly is the ssh version in deb2.2 ?! |
| 19:58.23 | amee2k | i'm stuck on this stinking 2.2 system and can't use it to log in *anywhere* apparently |
| 19:59.06 | karamorf | diegows: would you at least be able to point out what I'm doing wrong then? trying ./configure I get this: http://friendpaste.com/4z4gByP5u67ZQL2loT3mfo which googling will lead me to statements like http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-584336-alsa-source-fails-build-against-2-6-32-kernel-after-building-kernel-help-198705831.html with the claim that alsa can't be compiled with a custom kernel currently ... After that I can't find anything else to try / d |
| 19:59.06 | metalfoo | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.2/ |
| 19:59.06 | karamorf | o |
| 19:59.30 | jelly-home | amee2k: it's likely using ssh v1 protocol only, which is quite insecure. |
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| 20:00.03 | jelly-home | amee2k: typically ssh1 is disabled on the server side by default |
| 20:00.15 | amee2k | OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol version 1.5 |
| 20:00.22 | metalfoo | For good reasons! |
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| 20:00.31 | metalfoo | SSH1 is a security risk |
| 20:00.41 | amee2k | yeah, i know. i remember seeing the option to enable it in ssh configs, though i never used it |
| 20:01.05 | amee2k | damn, a protocol version 2 capable version was never released for 2.2 then, eh? |
| 20:01.21 | jelly-home | amee2k: build it yourself if you have to. |
| 20:01.42 | jelly-home | !potato |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 20:01.55 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: here is /etc/exports for laptop http://pastebin.com/NETFgEHG and netbook file is the same except missing non commented line. Is that the case? |
| 20:02.03 | amee2k | tbh, i'd like to upgrade this piece of junk to some mildly sane version |
| 20:02.22 | jelly-home | amee2k: forget it. Use a fresh install and migrate your applications one by one. |
| 20:02.26 | amee2k | but the install disks for 3.1 through current all choke on it |
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| 20:03.33 | jelly-home | give the hardware to someone who likes playing with obsolete things |
| 20:03.39 | error4o4 | passing the --http-password option to WGET. the password breakes the command, putting it inside " " doesnt solve this either, any idea? |
| 20:03.49 | amee2k | jelly-home: in this case i'd end up giving it to myself ;) |
| 20:04.08 | amee2k | its a thinkpad 310ED that i want to turn into a serial terminal |
| 20:04.22 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: good, so I think you got this /etc/exports MOSTLY right, apart from the fact that network 192.168.249.1/255.255.255.0 does not exist - do you mean 192.168.249.1/255.255.255.255 ? (one host only) |
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| 20:04.56 | amee2k | pentium MMX, 32M RAM, 128M SSD HDD |
| 20:05.23 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: you can run Lenny on that if you get some more disk space |
| 20:05.25 | jelly-home | amee2k: if it has minicom installed, you already have a serial terminal. Just don't connect it to any networks directly |
| 20:05.50 | foetus | would be like typing letters using a fist wedge.. |
| 20:06.05 | foetus | :) |
| 20:06.10 | amee2k | mmmh i was thinking if i could get away from that ghetto stone age version i could have SSH too |
| 20:06.17 | jelly-home | amee2k: if the hardware is still supported on recent kernels, an embedded or small distro might work |
| 20:06.28 | amee2k | i have no other use for this old PCMCIA network card here either :) |
| 20:06.31 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: it was created automatically by system. I still use graphical interface, you know. Not so strong in shell |
| 20:06.34 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: if it's going to be on a trusted network, then why not just use telnet? |
| 20:06.52 | amee2k | because noone is running telnet servers anymore :) |
| 20:06.55 | jelly-home | amee2k: but unused hardware drivers die slowly in the kernel tree and get removed |
| 20:06.59 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: you could :P |
| 20:07.10 | K0JIbKA | so now what is the problem with 255.255.255.0? |
| 20:07.31 | amee2k | jelly-home: the network card works on the 4.0 installer with the nic-extra package at least |
| 20:07.37 | jelly-home | amee2k: I'd try booting up something with the latest 2.4 kernel or so |
| 20:07.55 | amee2k | hmmm would that be 3.1 then? |
| 20:08.08 | jelly-home | amee2k: it wouldn't be debian |
| 20:08.10 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: there are several hosts and all are connected using router 192.168.249.1 |
| 20:08.24 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: good, then change the network to 192.168.249.0 |
| 20:08.37 | amee2k | hmmm like what for example? |
| 20:09.13 | foetus | try it with etch..should be good enough |
| 20:09.17 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: I think now how to do that |
| 20:09.27 | jelly-home | amee2k: I don't deal with embedded devices, and that includes fun-size intel. LFS, perhaps emdebian -- just guessing |
| 20:10.04 | amee2k | i already went to check out emdebian. no offense but it looks kinda deserted |
| 20:10.05 | jelly-home | installing etch on 32MB RAM will be a nigh-impossible task, the thing will want to swap a lot |
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| 20:10.28 | amee2k | the only x86 kernel they have is 686 and that won't run on a P-MMX |
| 20:10.51 | foetus | ~ |
| 20:11.07 | amee2k | and their documentation is like a copy of the stock debian install manual with random sections removed |
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| 20:11.25 | jelly-home | yeah, so it's a bad guess |
| 20:11.27 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: the problem is I don't use Network Manager, it's wicd instead. There were plenty problems with WiFi otherwise |
| 20:12.01 | amee2k | i'm trying to get into this whole installing debian manually thing right now, but its a bit eeeek |
| 20:12.09 | franki^ | It's called Network Mangler for a reason. ;) |
| 20:12.20 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: install Debian on another host and move the disk to your machine afterwards |
| 20:12.38 | thewanderer1 | otherwise you'll spend 10 hours on it and it's no joking (tried that on CF cards) |
| 20:12.39 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 20:12.55 | foetus | or use a virtual machine.. |
| 20:13.13 | thewanderer1 | yes, if you have a good reason to |
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| 20:13.33 | amee2k | i'm not sure how i'd migrate it from a VM to a real disk |
| 20:13.53 | amee2k | at least not without losing half of it |
| 20:13.59 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: alright, in /etc/exports you just put 192.168.249.0 instead of 192.168.249.1 |
| 20:14.14 | amee2k | i'm also not quite sure how i'd go about shrinking it to fit |
| 20:14.18 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: then on the client you don't need /etc/exports nor nfs-kernel-server - in fact, you're better off without |
| 20:14.34 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: can you fit in another disk in the machine or are you just stuck with the 128M? |
| 20:14.49 | amee2k | the debootstrap for 4.0 with apt cache cleared is allready 150MB and i don't think it includes a kernel yet |
| 20:15.24 | amee2k | thewanderer1: due to lack of another card i havent tried if it would accept a larger one |
| 20:15.33 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: CF card? |
| 20:15.33 | petan | any way to clean all caches of apt? |
| 20:15.38 | petan | literally all |
| 20:15.46 | amee2k | yeah, looks like its using a CF card SSD adapter |
| 20:16.08 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: then CF cards are cheap and, according to my experience, if your BIOS is not funky it should run a 2GB card |
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| 20:16.37 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: otherwise I may recommend Damn Small Linux (that's Debian-based) provided that it still fits |
| 20:16.56 | amee2k | i know that one. i don't like it :P |
| 20:17.13 | amee2k | their "oh, and it'll turn into a debian system" trick never worked for me |
| 20:17.15 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: great! so I have to make 192.168.249.0 as a seach domain in Network Properties? |
| 20:17.41 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: I think search domain is not really meant to work this way - you won't be seeing this in your GUI anyway |
| 20:17.59 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: ok |
| 20:18.03 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: you are meant to mount this automatically via /etc/fstab or manually using mount whenever needed |
| 20:18.48 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: ok I try to work it out. But still from GUI:) |
| 20:19.32 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: I can't recommend emdebian - never had much success with it. stripping Debian, which is by far the smallest mainstream distro (base system), does not get you down to 128MB, either, so it's really DSL or buildroot when you are stuck with this disk space |
| 20:19.59 | amee2k | hmmm i see |
| 20:20.18 | thewanderer1 | buildroot doesn't get you a Debian system, though - no super cow powers in the resulting system |
| 20:20.20 | amee2k | i read that some people had success with stripping slackware down, but i never used that myself either |
| 20:20.30 | thewanderer1 | that is a Very Bad Idea |
| 20:20.32 | foetus | use another media, like thewanderer1 said, CF is not a bad choice.. |
| 20:20.39 | joel2 | I see how gplhost works |
| 20:20.53 | amee2k | yeah, i suppose i'm stuck with trying a larger card then |
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| 20:20.59 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: try TinyCore, too |
| 20:21.29 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: alternatively, you can use buildroot - you get a usable base system in 2MB including Linux, but it is *really* frugal so don't expect luxuries like package managers :) |
| 20:21.45 | amee2k | hehe |
| 20:22.06 | amee2k | how much more memory would the package management cost me? |
| 20:22.24 | thewanderer1 | memory? oh. it would cost you about 15000 lines of code :P |
| 20:22.35 | amee2k | ummm |
| 20:22.39 | amee2k | you know what i meant :P |
| 20:22.50 | thewanderer1 | I meant, you know, typing it with your fingers |
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| 20:23.06 | thewanderer1 | I think buildroot includes ipkg, the embedded version of dpkg (the same as emdebian?), but you still have to make yourself packages :) |
| 20:23.22 | amee2k | tinycore looks interresting though. i'll take a look at it. in the meantime i've ordered a 2GB CF card as plan B |
| 20:23.29 | franki^ | Why would you want a package manager with that much memory? It's not like you'd be installing and removing packages all the time... |
| 20:24.03 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: a *fast* card does help |
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| 20:24.12 | doublehp | i have a pentium3; acpi and sensors give me only fan speed, i am pretty sure the MB has voltage and temp sensors; any idea how to track ? amongst other things, BIOS controls CPU fan speed depending on temp => there is a temp probe around !!! |
| 20:25.09 | amee2k | says 120x. iirc thats ~15MB/s |
| 20:25.25 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: on old computers, the readings are often not visible to the OS due to *insert your favourite non-standards-compliance-related-reason* although there are some bizarre ways of accessing them, which I have not a clue of :P |
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| 20:25.47 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: good, it will not suck |
| 20:26.15 | amee2k | lol |
| 20:26.31 | amee2k | i hope it won't :) |
| 20:26.40 | amee2k | well, at least not more than the rest of this box |
| 20:27.05 | thewanderer1 | I actually once run a home server/router out of two such cards as only storage |
| 20:27.16 | thewanderer1 | so you should be very safe from running out of space :) |
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| 20:27.57 | doublehp | thewanderer1: you are telling about pentium 1 and pre systems; since P2, they all give access to probes - on x86 of course. On non x86, OS could read the probes 10y before that ... |
| 20:28.31 | amee2k | yeah, i've run a pile of 3.1 systems on less than that when it was still current |
| 20:29.13 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: I'm telling about what I've seen so far on variously old hardware - the sensors are sometimes ephemeral beasts, and why nothing on Linux seems to locate them, always escapes me |
| 20:30.10 | thewanderer1 | so by now you probably see that my only contribution to this matter is saying "if it doesn't work, don't fix it"... |
| 20:30.24 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: If the lmsensors drivers don't offer an interface for a device you don't get access to it. |
| 20:30.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | doublehp: Also, if it's controlled by the bios, it won't be controlled by software - you get one or the other. |
| 20:32.18 | foetus | lets close this terminal bye |
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| 20:32.32 | jhutchins_lt2 | amee2k: http://linuxusb.org has several <1G images iirc. |
| 20:33.44 | amee2k | . o O ( wtf is it with people fapping to this afterbuy piece of shit... ) |
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| 20:35.04 | doublehp | thewanderer1: in 3 P3, AMD 1.2 and 1.4, and today my latest AMD quad core ... all have sensors. I rather think about a software failure, because on one machine, munin could draw voltages for 1 week, then nothing |
| 20:35.29 | thewanderer1 | oh well. perhaps no drivers? |
| 20:36.00 | doublehp | used to work, then stopped |
| 20:37.02 | amee2k | jhutchins_lt2: hmmm you sure about that url? doesn't load for me |
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| 20:38.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | Ah, no, I did not rc. http://pendrivelinux.com or lhttp://inux-usb.org |
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| 20:38.52 | wuffi600 | hi. |
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| 20:40.14 | wuffi600 | how can i search the backports for certain packages? i've tried "aptitude -t lenny-backports search openssl!" but it searches in all packages. I would like to browse only the backports. |
| 20:40.48 | jhutchins_lt2 | wuffi600: Well, I usually use judd to check for backports. |
| 20:40.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,judd versions iceweasel |
| 20:40.57 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.15-1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; experimental: 3.6.12-2 |
| 20:41.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | wuffi600: You shouldn't just be browsing to see if anything is available, you should only be installing something because you have a specific need for it. |
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| 20:43.06 | amee2k | jhutchins_lt2: i suppose you mean the pendrivelinux.com one |
| 20:43.20 | xteejx | Hi all, I want to help fix debcheck problems, and found one in zendframework |
| 20:43.34 | amee2k | seems to strongly focus on being pendrive-only. but i'll check out if it can work with a flash card too |
| 20:43.52 | xteejx | I believe php5-sqlite3 is an old Ubuntu reference to the same package, do I just report a bug and attach a debdiff with the changes required or??? |
| 20:44.08 | jelly-home | wuffi600: you can /msg judd versions openssl, or whatever, and it will show backports as well if there are any. Add --release lenny-backports if you really want to. |
| 20:44.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | amee2k: Yeah, sorry, linuxusb got stuck in my brain somehow. |
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| 20:44.47 | jhutchins_lt2 | amee2k: Booting from cards is less common in BIOSes. |
| 20:45.05 | amee2k | the card shows up as IDE drive in the bios |
| 20:45.06 | jelly-home | wuffi600: apt-cache policy packagename is reasonably useful to look at available versions in configured repositories |
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| 20:45.14 | amee2k | its a compact flash as IDE SSD adapter |
| 20:45.55 | xteejx | Anyone? |
| 20:46.02 | xteejx | Alsoi is there a debian dev IRC channel? |
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| 20:46.23 | RamsesFSFE | hi. Does anyone know if the proftpd hole has been fixed in lenny? |
| 20:46.26 | Interphase | has anyone successfully used dsniff with wireless? |
| 20:46.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | amee2k: A USB image would be good for that. |
| 20:46.42 | Interphase | or any of the other programs that go with it? |
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| 20:47.48 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt2, jelly-home: thank you a lot. |
| 20:48.04 | amee2k | jhutchins_lt2: i'm not entirely sure where they have their images though. looks like they only supply a tool to create the image from the regular distro files |
| 20:48.33 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: wireless (WiFi) is just Ethernet over radio, so why should it differ? |
| 20:49.04 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: it is no different, but you still need to run it on a gateway, as it has always been |
| 20:49.33 | Interphase | thewanderer1, I agree that wifi is the same as ethernet over radio, but why does it need to run an a gateway? |
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| 20:49.45 | xteejx | Is ahyone able to help me or not? I'm trying to contribute here |
| 20:49.53 | jelly-home | xteejx: your proposed action seems pretty reasonable. |
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| 20:50.21 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: how else are you going to capture the packets? |
| 20:50.21 | xteejx | jelly-home: Cool. Do I need to state that it's an NMU upload or anything like that? |
| 20:50.32 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt2: where can i find "judd"? in what package? |
| 20:50.36 | joel2 | Someone said something about webadmin earler? |
| 20:50.48 | jelly-home | xteejx: oh, you're a DD? There is a #debian-devel channel on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:50.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Interphase: perhaps you are looking for kismet or netstumbler? |
| 20:51.17 | xteejx | No I'm not :) Well not yet anyway, I'm an Ubuntu guy normally, but want to help Debian a lot more :) |
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| 20:51.45 | Interphase | thewanderer1, jhutchins_lt2 I was assuming that since it was wireless and all the packets visible to me, it would work |
| 20:51.52 | jhutchins_lt2 | wuffi600: Judd is a bot here, /msg judd versions <package> |
| 20:52.00 | Interphase | I've successfully used wireshark to look at traffic |
| 20:52.13 | jelly-home | xteejx: debian moved most of their official channels over to OFTC. There's #debian-mentors if you plan on uploading or worse. ;-) |
| 20:52.31 | jhutchins_lt2 | !free whcp |
| 20:52.32 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 20:52.36 | wuffi600 | jhutchins_lt2, i c thank you |
| 20:52.39 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: your assumption is wrong - in WiFi, not all packets are visible to you, unless all your clients really send the data in the open |
| 20:53.53 | jelly-home | xteejx: if you're trying to merge (your own?) changes from ubuntu, I think there's a #debian-ubuntu over there as well. I'm just a user and not well versed in procedures |
| 20:54.55 | xteejx | jelly-home: No, no. I'm trying to help Deb directly, I know there is utnubu for merging our changes |
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| 20:55.10 | xteejx | I'll run over there and have a look anyway thank you jelly :) |
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| 20:55.16 | Interphase | thewanderer1, I don't think I completely understand, shouldn't my wireless card in promiscuous mode be able to pick up all the traffic of all the other hosts on the network? |
| 20:55.21 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 20:55.38 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: sure, but if it's encrypted, what good is this for you? |
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| 20:56.03 | thewanderer1 | that is, unless you are running an open WiFi network without encryption, which is a Very Bad Idea |
| 20:56.05 | Interphase | thewanderer1, you're right, but the traffic I'm looking at is not encrpyted |
| 20:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | I thought the proper method was to push the package fixes upstream and let them come into Debian that way. |
| 20:56.45 | thewanderer1 | then you should be able to read all traffic, provided that your card's firmware allows that (WiFi cards are often limited by firmware according to the manufacturer's wish) |
| 20:57.59 | thewanderer1 | other than that, it's just Ethernet frames encapsulated in 802.11 and at layer 3 (what dsniff most probably looks at) it's all the same |
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| 21:00.44 | doublehp | my exim is ATM configured as relay, and forwards everything to smarthost; how do i update it to use auth ? |
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| 21:01.09 | petemc | doublehp: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 21:01.15 | doublehp | and then ? |
| 21:01.46 | Interphase | thewanderer1, so that's why I'm here, because when I use dsniff it only looks at my traffic |
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| 21:02.15 | konraddo | hi, what should i install to enable command glxinfo? |
| 21:02.16 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: are you able to infer from any other symptoms that all traffic is reaching your machine? |
| 21:02.25 | thewanderer1 | konraddo: mesa-utils |
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| 21:04.03 | Interphase | thewanderer1, yes I am. Wireshark shows http traffic to other hosts on my network. I've been able to use that to see what website's those other hosts are visitng |
| 21:05.15 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: so it's probably a problem with the way you're trying to use dsniff - having an argument with it or so |
| 21:06.29 | Interphase | thewanderer1, I believe that |
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| 21:08.10 | doublehp | petemc: "Authentication Required" ... |
| 21:08.43 | Interphase | thewanderer1, why would I have to arpspoof people if I can see all the wireless traffic? Is doing that fundamental to how dsniff works? |
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| 21:09.25 | thewanderer1 | Interphase: I don't think you have to arpspoof people if you want dsniff to work... perhaps it just assumes this default mode of operation |
| 21:09.57 | thewanderer1 | anyway, the sources will yield the definitive answer - I'm not to judge that |
| 21:10.26 | locojay | hi i moved my ~.ssh public folder to a truecrypt hiden folder. Why can i still login to a server without specifing ssh -i ? |
| 21:10.37 | cheasee | please join #truecrypt for truecrypt related questions :) |
| 21:10.50 | locojay | not truecrypt related |
| 21:11.03 | amee2k | yeah, not really TC related at all |
| 21:11.04 | locojay | just moved the public key say somewhere else ;) |
| 21:11.14 | thewanderer1 | locojay: strace ssh $youroptions and see what it does |
| 21:11.27 | thewanderer1 | oh, you mean on the server or what? |
| 21:11.43 | amee2k | never used TC, but ssh only cares about the pkey file name |
| 21:11.56 | petemc | doublehp: have you even bothered to look at the documentation now that you know what to look for? |
| 21:11.56 | locojay | why does the server still recognizes me since the pub file moved to a different location |
| 21:12.09 | doublehp | petemc: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 did it? |
| 21:12.12 | doublehp | -? +! |
| 21:12.16 | thewanderer1 | locojay: did you move it on the server or on the client? |
| 21:12.22 | amee2k | locojay: did you move the private key too? |
| 21:12.24 | locojay | on the client |
| 21:12.29 | amee2k | ;) |
| 21:12.40 | thewanderer1 | locojay: the client needs the private key, the server needs the public key |
| 21:12.40 | locojay | yes |
| 21:12.43 | amee2k | and did you delete them in their old locations? |
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| 21:13.03 | locojay | i moved the complete ssh folder on the client |
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| 21:13.17 | doublehp | petemc: change smarthost name, add TWO lines : *.gmail.com & *.google.com in passwd.client , restart, done. |
| 21:13.19 | thewanderer1 | locojay: and is your key loaded into memory via ssh-agent? |
| 21:14.37 | locojay | don't know . how can i check |
| 21:15.50 | thewanderer1 | locojay: `ps aux | grep ssh-agent` |
| 21:15.59 | thewanderer1 | if you have any running, kill 'em all and try again... |
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| 21:16.12 | thewanderer1 | there admittedly was a command to purge this but I don't remember |
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| 21:17.30 | thewanderer1 | ah, `ssh-add -D` |
| 21:18.10 | locojay | works thanks . is there a way to prevent that it gets added to memory? |
| 21:18.39 | thewanderer1 | sure... don't add it to ssh-agent, to start with |
| 21:18.45 | thewanderer1 | ssh doesn't do that automatically you know |
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| 21:19.05 | locojay | k thnks |
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| 21:28.45 | doublehp | how do i run dhclient on two interfaces, and, choose which of the two will set the DNS (i want to ignore DNS from second server ) ? |
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| 21:29.36 | doublehp | how do i set two name, and domain path ? supersede domain-name "galoula.com doublehp.org"; + supersede domain-search "galoula.com doublehp.org"; produce an invalid resolv.conf: << search galoula.com doublehp.org galoula.com\032doublehp.org. >> |
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| 21:33.40 | jelly-home | doublehp: you can't set two domain names, that makes no sense. |
| 21:34.05 | doublehp | worked for two domaines; broke when added two search |
| 21:34.14 | jelly-home | oh. That's weird. |
| 21:34.26 | doublehp | i need to search in both anyway |
| 21:34.51 | jelly-home | I'd have expected search additions to work, because they make sense. |
| 21:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to have several searches... they go in one line, though |
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| 21:36.32 | e7th04sh | so |
| 21:36.42 | e7th04sh | I have Radeon9200 and debian squeeze. I am using `radeon' driver and it's loaded, i have nonfree firmware package installed and mesa dri library as well. My Xorg.0.log has a warning that direct rendering is not enabled. glxinfo says direct rendering is enable, but it uses software rasterizer. glxgears yield about 10fps on fullscreen. What now? |
| 21:36.47 | e7th04sh | and |
| 21:37.06 | e7th04sh | rozie - as i said, glxinfo says i have direct rendering, but from SR so i already know what you point me to\ |
| 21:37.33 | e7th04sh | doublehp: i posted pastebins yesterday and i doubt there is anything there more than what i already wrote above |
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| 21:41.21 | joel2 | I loaded the entire os again from the mini install from the internet and everything went fine until it rebooted after installing debian grub error 18 |
| 21:41.48 | thewanderer1 | then go to GRUB wiki and see what error 18 means |
| 21:41.55 | poisonbit | is some hack like umount anything needed when booting debian installer from hard disk files ? It says the disk in use when trying to configure lvm |
| 21:42.26 | joel2 | Weird |
| 21:42.54 | poisonbit | I see a /hd-media (/dev/sda2) throught "mount" on tty2 |
| 21:43.14 | poisonbit | ext2 |
| 21:43.59 | thewanderer1 | so try to umount it and see what happens - provided that you already have loaded all modules you are going to need |
| 21:44.04 | poisonbit | eheh can't umount it, Device or resource busy |
| 21:44.16 | thewanderer1 | then see what uses it - lsof |
| 21:44.30 | joel2 | It loaded three times until now. |
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| 21:47.51 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, no lsof on the d-i initrd, tryied with the one on the current installed OS, and it seems to be parted_se |
| 21:47.57 | poisonbit | kill it and try again ? |
| 21:48.29 | thewanderer1 | err, you probably want to exit the partitioning menu before umounting |
| 21:48.43 | thewanderer1 | killing partitioning programs might not be a good idea, I think |
| 21:49.44 | joel2 | I restart the install kill the partition then let the program re-create them. |
| 21:50.04 | thewanderer1 | guys, how would I go about watching TV on my PC? I have a few spare PCI slots, lots of USB, Debian amd64, and a hatred of everything closed-source. what do I do now to get TV on my screen? |
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| 21:50.59 | poisonbit | I used xawtv time ago if it helps as a keyword... |
| 21:51.47 | thewanderer1 | I know, it's good. I mean the backend - where do I get the signal from? |
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| 21:52.45 | thewanderer1 | (the last bt848 in Video Highway Extreme proved to live up to the name - "extreme" pain when watching noise on the screen and lots of fun with the sound capture via a loopback cable) |
| 21:56.35 | joel2 | Question: Does it use the grub from the net install disk mini or from the mirror site that your loading the files from? |
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| 22:00.12 | joel2 | Thewander17? |
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| 22:00.47 | thewanderer1 | no, it uses syslinux |
| 22:01.54 | joel2 | From the netinstall from the cd-rom |
| 22:01.57 | konraddo | uh, how to change default boot in grub2 in debian? i found the tutorial for ubuntu but they said to modify /etc/default/grub, but there is no such a file :< |
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| 22:03.30 | joel2 | Thewander17 On the mini netinstal its asking do you want to use grub and I select yes. |
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| 22:05.25 | K0JIbKA | Home Network with router 192.168.249.1 in use. Has anybody got some experience in setting NFS Network between two Debian Lenny machines using GUI? I got really stuck being weak in shell. Output for file /etc/hosts for both machines is here http://pastebin.com/aT7W6eCi and file /etc/exports for both of them - http://pastebin.com/8JtMDSCh |
| 22:05.44 | K0JIbKA | As far I can remember in Windows that was connected to workgroup settings. Might be that side somewhere. Both machines are communicating in LAN using Opera Unite so far. I'm lookig for more convinient way... |
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| 22:09.02 | he2 | i don't have any sound |
| 22:09.18 | doublehp | too bad |
| 22:09.18 | he2 | i installed alsa but it didn't help |
| 22:09.41 | he2 | what could it be? |
| 22:09.43 | CissWit | he2: check if your user is in the "audio group". It's often the issue. |
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| 22:11.07 | K0JIbKA | GUI means GNOME by the way... |
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| 22:13.01 | he2 | CissWit: how can i find out? |
| 22:13.16 | CissWit | he2: cat /etc/group | grep audio |
| 22:13.51 | he2 | CissWit: audio:x:29:jan |
| 22:13.58 | CissWit | i guess your user is jan ? |
| 22:13.59 | thewanderer1 | K0JIbKA: read an NFS tutorial then approach it |
| 22:14.01 | he2 | my user name is jan |
| 22:14.02 | thewanderer1 | I need to go anyway |
| 22:14.07 | he2 | CissWit: yes |
| 22:14.30 | CissWit | then i can't help ^^ |
| 22:14.40 | he2 | CissWit: ok, thanks anywat |
| 22:14.48 | he2 | *anyway |
| 22:15.26 | arcsky | guys if i buy a VPS with openvz ist possible that i can encerypt my debian hdd then ? |
| 22:16.09 | joel2 | Does the desktop include xindows on the mini install |
| 22:16.10 | K0JIbKA | thewanderer1: thanks anyway |
| 22:16.39 | metalfoo | I don't know about OpenVZ, but I'd doubt arcsky. You can, however, put your data into a crypto container. |
| 22:17.46 | joel2 | I assuming no!! |
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| 22:18.35 | jhutchins | joel2: tasksel desktop, yes, it includes gnome. |
| 22:18.48 | jhutchins | joel2: Just installing gnome does not include the xserver. |
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| 22:20.37 | he2 | sound works now. it seems as if i havn't used 'alsaconf'. i thought i did so :/ |
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| 22:27.53 | jhutchins | !alsaconmf |
| 22:27.55 | jhutchins | !alsaconf |
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| 22:34.54 | jhutchins | !alsaconf |
| 22:34.54 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
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| 22:39.40 | mta`chrono | hi there! does anyone know something about naming conventions of rootcerts? (openssl) |
| 22:39.43 | Humanoid | I upgraded from stable to testing, and now wget and ssh are not able to resolve certain hostnames. ping, host, and web browsers resolve all hostnames just fine. |
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| 22:47.55 | shalok | How do I change the grub2 timeout? I assume I'm not meant to hack grub.cfg directly because it will be clobbered by update-grub? |
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| 22:49.24 | metalfoo | In /etc/default/grub you can |
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| 22:50.24 | jhutchins | mta`chrono: Since it only matters within the local filesystem there really aren't any. |
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| 22:50.58 | jhutchins | shalok: /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 22:54.36 | doublehp | how do i know if a host supports IPv6 in kernel from /proc ? |
| 22:55.35 | shalok | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 22:56.37 | abrotman | no!!! |
| 22:57.10 | jelly-home | YES |
| 22:57.25 | e7th04sh | lolwur |
| 22:57.28 | e7th04sh | what's mode +r |
| 22:57.55 | abrotman | e7th04sh: freenode.net has a page about channel modes |
| 22:58.13 | jelly-home | hopes "wur" is short for "wurst" |
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| 23:02.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: full of cheese? |
| 23:03.12 | jhutchins_lt2 | kasewurst! |
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| 23:04.05 | abrotman | wrong kind of cheese |
| 23:04.41 | jelly-home | worst case |
| 23:07.34 | edju | dhcpd returning errors, posted at http://debian.pastebin.com/JrWtH5Gn. 1st semicolon doesn't make much sense, and I don't know what the 2nd means. Any ideas, pointers greatly appreciated. |
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| 23:16.41 | jhutchins_lt2 | edju: Errors in a dhcp conf file usually get reported as an error on the following line, pasebin the conf file. |
| 23:17.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | just played this game a week ago. |
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| 23:19.18 | mmxxmx | hi |
| 23:19.30 | mmxxmx | http://linux.justinhartman.com/FFmpeg,_FFmpeg-PHP,_Lame,_Libogg,_Libvorbis,_FLVtool2,_Mplayer,_Mencoder,_AMR_Installation <-- is any of this outdated? |
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| 23:23.35 | abrotman | mmxxmx: etch is no longer supported |
| 23:23.42 | abrotman | and no one here will help you with ubuntu |
| 23:23.48 | mmxxmx | hmm |
| 23:24.01 | mmxxmx | if i wanted to install all those libraries in leny |
| 23:24.05 | mmxxmx | would I have any issues? |
| 23:24.20 | mmxxmx | using those commnads provided in the page |
| 23:24.23 | edju | jhutchins_lt2, http://debian.pastebin.com/uTi5fUYM |
| 23:24.40 | cosmos2 | Hello, I need to understand how a scrip can be written. It is correct like that with the "&&" between instructions, Assuming that "Xglamo usually need a & after"?? |
| 23:24.50 | cosmos2 | like that/ http://pastebin.com/NDBTidLE |
| 23:25.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | edju: default lease time needs a value. |
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| 23:26.12 | themill | cosmos2: I think you're looking or "set -e" at the start of the script instead. |
| 23:26.14 | jhutchins_lt2 | cosmos2: Look at some of the existing scripts on the system. |
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| 23:37.18 | Tros | Is there a way to install Debian from a USB-stick on a macbook? |
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| 23:40.40 | metalfoo | Tros: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 23:41.00 | metalfoo | If your Macbook can boot from USB, don't know. |
| 23:41.16 | jhutchins_lt2 | !usb install |
| 23:41.16 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:41.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | I have had good luck with unetbootin on linux for preparing a USB installer. |
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| 23:43.04 | cosmos2 | <jhutchins_lt2: scripts I saw on the system looks really complex, I would like only to reproduce what I type on my terminal |
| 23:43.17 | cosmos2 | to be automatic |
| 23:43.30 | Tros | :/ The emulated BIOS only seems to kick in after selecting to boot from a legacy-device, and USB-drives aren't included on that list, unless they've got some EFI madness formatted with FAT32 or HFS. |
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| 23:43.39 | Tros | :|} So I will take these answers to be no. |
| 23:43.40 | DrSanJay | DCC SEND GayNiggerAssociationOfAmerica 0 0 0 0 |
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| 23:43.52 | cosmos2 | is there a function in Debian for that? |
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| 23:44.31 | jhutchins_lt2 | cosmos2: About the only thing to worry about then is to include #@ /bin/bash as the first line, then just use what you would from the console, carriage returns wherever you hit them on the console |
| 23:44.47 | jhutchins_lt2 | cosmos2: There are of course lots of more advanced capabilities, but that's a good start. |
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| 23:45.13 | abrotman | joel2: if you connect to freenode on port 8001 that won't happen |
| 23:45.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tros: Look a little harder in the mac forums, you might still be able to do it. |
| 23:45.42 | edju | jhutchins_lt2, No more error messages, but showing "wrote 0 leases to leases file". /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases has a date stamp of the time dhcpd was run. Problem? |
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| 23:45.49 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tros: I know you can boot from CD (that's how you get OSX on them,) |
| 23:45.54 | Tros | jhutchins_lt2: Thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 23:46.17 | jhutchins_lt2 | edju: Shouldn't be - you don't have any leases yet. |
| 23:46.20 | Tros | jhutchins_lt2: Yeah ;D. Booting another OS X from external HDD/USB is easy. Proprietary, closed-garden, easy. |
| 23:47.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tros: Oh, yeah, you're going to need something like refit or elilo that will boot with EFI, most USB images won't have that, but there should be some for Mac's. |
| 23:47.13 | cosmos2 | jhutchins_lt2: ah ok "&" are carriage returns? |
| 23:47.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | cosmos2: No, & says to run the process in the background. |
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| 23:48.03 | jhutchins_lt2 | cosmos2: Don't wait for it to complete before starting the next line. |
| 23:48.04 | edju | jhutchins_lt2, Thanks a lot. |
| 23:48.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | edju: Good luck with it! |
| 23:48.36 | Tros | jhutchins_lt2: I've got that. I'll try copying CD-contents, and then installing refit on top. |
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| 23:52.19 | cosmos2 | hmm...so that's better like that? : http://pastebin.com/YwFBF6zU |
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| 23:53.02 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tros: Come to think of it though, current versions of grub can handle efi, it made the transition around centos 5. |
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| 23:54.48 | Tros | jhutchins_lt2: :/. I'll leave it as a back-up plan, since I think I'll have to compile it from source and then install it on the USB-drive. That and I don't remember how it behaves on FAT/HFS |
| 23:56.19 | cosmos2 | ...last script doesn'y work... |
| 23:56.30 | cosmos2 | *doesn't |
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