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| 00:01.22 | cosmos2 | Maybe because on the presented script ( http://pastebin.com/YwFBF6zU ), at least manually on the terminal, I have to hit Enter after "Xglamo &". |
| 00:02.27 | cosmos2 | Is there a control command that specify the "Enter" typing? |
| 00:02.36 | cosmos2 | or that is automatic? |
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| 00:03.35 | cosmos2 | It's a little bit paradoxal because if "&" means thar the command is launched in the background, this command have to be ended by Enter |
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| 00:04.13 | Tekk_ | hey I'm having a problem with my debian install. When I'm running xorg for a while my computer just randomly slows down |
| 00:04.34 | abrotman | Tekk_: running iceweasel with flash? |
| 00:04.45 | Tekk_ | free reports a few MB free, but if I launch an application it just brings down the cache and stuff and I have free memory |
| 00:05.01 | Tekk_ | abrotman: nah, persists even if I close firefox(using the beta) and without flash |
| 00:05.05 | poncha | guys, i've got an nfs mount from a sun openstorage 7000 , once i mount it (with root) , i see the mountpoint get owner userid 4294967294 and gid daemon (1) , then i can drop files inside, but once i wrote them they become owned by that userid 4294967294 and i can no longer do anything with them with root. whats the problem? |
| 00:05.16 | abrotman | Tekk_: whihc version of debian? whta's consuming it all? |
| 00:05.25 | Tekk_ | abrotman: no idea, and squeeze |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | gnome? kde? |
| 00:05.39 | metalfoo | poncha: Sun might do root_squash (which is a good idea) |
| 00:05.39 | Tekk_ | abrotman: but I haven't said the REALLY weird thing yet |
| 00:05.49 | Tekk_ | abrotman: doesn't matter, will even happen if I use TWM for long enough |
| 00:06.22 | Tekk_ | abrotman: when I log out, there's like a bunch of text on the normally black screen, in different sized and overlapping eachother. I've tried a bunch of distros and NEVER seen anything like that |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | nvidia binary driver? |
| 00:06.33 | Tekk_ | logging out and logging back in again fixes it btw |
| 00:06.41 | Tekk_ | abrotman: nope, using intel with free driver and firmware |
| 00:06.51 | abrotman | i have intel! |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | OMG it's so slow! |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | Tekk_: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 00:07.05 | Tekk_ | eh, works for what I need |
| 00:07.23 | abrotman | Tekk_: that was sarcasm |
| 00:07.46 | Tekk_ | acutally intel is really slow for anything heavy though :P |
| 00:07.52 | Tekk_ | compared to nvidia or ati at lest |
| 00:07.53 | Tekk_ | least* |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | works fine here .. but i do have a newer laptop |
| 00:08.01 | Tekk_ | same, 2007 |
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| 00:08.11 | Tekk_ | wonders if openfwwf will ever make it into the repos -.- |
| 00:08.52 | Tekk_ | oh and like I said, never experienced the problem with arch or ubuntu |
| 00:08.56 | poncha | metalfoo: root_squash? and what if i really need to access the files by root? :) |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | Tekk_: pastebin ? |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | Tekk_: mine is from last year |
| 00:09.07 | E-bola | 2007 is a |
| 00:09.12 | E-bola | n old laptop :) |
| 00:09.48 | metalfoo | poncha: Well, disable it. root_squash is a feauture of NFS of removing root permissions to files put remotely to the share, to avoid exploiting the NFS. |
| 00:09.52 | Tekk_ | E-bola: coming from a 2004 desktop, no it's not : |
| 00:09.55 | poncha | metalfoo: and why is it a good idea? i am not connecting a desktop machine there, but server where i need to be able to manage things (several different services) _as_ user root |
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| 00:10.23 | poncha | metalfoo: exploiting how? by different machine connecting as user root as well ? |
| 00:10.32 | Tekk_ | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/275290/ |
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| 00:10.53 | Tekk_ | abrotman: it's not the ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing, problem existed before I added it |
| 00:10.55 | poncha | in my case i have access limitation by a vlan (on network hardware level) |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | Tekk_: you'll want to add the security.debian.org source s.. but try `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` .. make sure you're up to date |
| 00:11.30 | FilipeMaia | Can anyone suggest a content management system that does not require a socket based database? (I can't currently install a database on the host) |
| 00:11.45 | E-bola | poncha: its a security meassure. just disable it if u dont want it |
| 00:12.04 | metalfoo | poncha: Assume you connect to a NFS share from a machine where you locally have root permissions but you don't have root access to the remote machine provisioning the NFS share. That allows you to create files with say suid root bit set. If NFS wouldn't remove that owner permission on the NFS share, you could exploit it |
| 00:12.05 | E-bola | u need completely control over the network access to the nfs share though, if not its a security issue |
| 00:12.19 | Tekk_ | abrotman: uncommended the securety src |
| 00:12.31 | abrotman | oh. missed that |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | Tekk_: so make sure you're totally up to date |
| 00:12.43 | Tekk_ | abrotman: what's the difference between upgrade(what I've been using) and pull-upgrade? |
| 00:12.50 | Tekk_ | full* |
| 00:12.52 | poncha | yeah... only several specific servers have access to the vlan that has access to nfs on storage |
| 00:13.01 | poncha | so i am on safe side disabling it i guess |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | Tekk_: you're probably pretty out of date |
| 00:13.02 | poncha | thanks guys |
| 00:13.06 | abrotman | Tekk_: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 00:13.34 | Tekk_ | abrotman: only thing that came up for updates was common-lisp-controller |
| 00:13.50 | metalfoo | poncha: Probably you are safe, yet there is hardly a reason not to need root squashing. |
| 00:13.54 | Tekk_ | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 00:13.54 | Tekk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.22 | cosmos2 | What is the "Enter" control command in a bash script? |
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| 00:16.26 | poncha | metalfoo: if i put files there (regardless which user does that) and then root has no control over the filesystem - what kind of an administrator is it? |
| 00:16.32 | sedulous | Is there a debian repository with more up to date nvidia drivers? |
| 00:16.43 | abrotman | sedulous: than what? |
| 00:17.19 | e7th04sh | rotfl lolwurst |
| 00:17.21 | sedulous | than the ones in any official debian repository, like testing or unstable |
| 00:17.22 | Tekk_ | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 in case you didn't see it, not sure how much view you're having in your client |
| 00:17.29 | e7th04sh | lol rotflbasa |
| 00:17.53 | metalfoo | poncha: root has control, you just should not put files there _as_ root. You can configure to squash root file permissions automatically as non privileged user of your choice. |
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| 00:18.51 | sedulous | abrotman: nevermind. i just noticed that experimental has relatively current drivers (256.*) |
| 00:18.53 | poncha | metalfoo: so if i put the files as other user, root can chown/chmod/rm etc? |
| 00:21.16 | metalfoo | poncha: Well, you probably have some kind of data storage, right? That is you provide some shared files, like images and so on. Why would you need to put those files as root? |
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| 00:23.02 | yagoo | sedulous, try backports |
| 00:23.03 | yagoo | !bpo |
| 00:23.03 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 00:23.36 | poncha | metalfoo: i dont put "shared files" there - mysql datadir, apache vhosts etc... all server storage, not user files |
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| 00:24.21 | poncha | they go into external storage for reasons different than sharing... |
| 00:24.50 | metalfoo | poncha: Ok, none of those seems to need a root uid bit, right? As said, do whatever you like and set no_root_squash, you don't need it though. All it prevents is to create files _owned_ by root |
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| 00:28.50 | error4o4 | having in a bash script: EMAILBODY=$(ls -lah $DIRNAME) but always getting the "ls .. No such file or directory" error. doing the same ls on command line works, any idea? DIRNAME=~/mydir/mydir2/ |
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| 00:29.11 | meltphace | error4o4: try with backticks? |
| 00:29.22 | error4o4 | meltphace: ok |
| 00:30.00 | error4o4 | meltphace: hmm.. same |
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| 00:31.06 | meltphace | error4o4: is your path fucked up |
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| 00:32.26 | error4o4 | meltphace: pastebin > http://pastebin.com/1h669db3 |
| 00:33.03 | meltphace | try without the ~ |
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| 00:34.17 | themill | error4o4: are you sure this is running as the right user? |
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| 00:35.19 | ReichSk | uu |
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| 00:35.35 | error4o4 | themill, meltphace: i am running it from the command line, absolute path works, i did su - c USER to go to that user |
| 00:35.49 | ReichSk | muchachos, alguien sabe cuál es el canal de Pardus en español? |
| 00:36.05 | error4o4 | themill: $id showing correct user |
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| 00:36.14 | mmxxmx | hmm |
| 00:37.13 | jhutchins_lt2 | !es |
| 00:37.13 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 00:39.33 | mmxxmx | racist! |
| 00:39.41 | mmxxmx | me english speak |
| 00:39.42 | mmxxmx | anyways |
| 00:39.55 | mmxxmx | what's a good multimedia soruce in europe? |
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| 00:41.07 | abrotman | there is a list of mirrors |
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| 00:50.05 | mmxxmx | kiay |
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| 00:53.02 | Indrora | note to debian-legal: Get your heads out of your asses and use mainline cdrecord. Just because someone got a fucking patch rejected doesn't mean you have to but butthurt about it for 3 years. Shilling has a point. |
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| 00:53.55 | un214 | ugh, that is not the effective way |
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| 00:54.18 | abrotman | and it's Schilling .. jeez .. at least get it right |
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| 00:56.52 | do0ob | Hi |
| 00:57.08 | do0ob | how do i find out if a label was truncated on a jbutton? |
| 00:58.20 | poncha | i have permissions for file: '-rw-rw----+' <- what does the + in the end mean? |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | do0ob: isn't that a java programming question ? |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | poncha: ACLs |
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| 00:59.00 | do0ob | :( |
| 00:59.06 | poncha | abrotman: how can i either get rid of the ACLs or list/manage them? :) |
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| 00:59.27 | do0ob | did /join #java, the log shows i needed +i |
| 00:59.28 | un214 | chacl? |
| 00:59.57 | do0ob | abrotman: thanks, i might have been here for quite a while before i realised |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | do0ob: i'm sure :) |
| 01:00.16 | poncha | un214: bash: chacl: command not found ;) |
| 01:00.27 | themill | do0ob: you probably wanted ##java. |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | poncha: is the acl package installed ? |
| 01:01.23 | poncha | abrotman: nope |
| 01:01.35 | poncha | i guess its the sun storage that set this bit on the files |
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| 01:02.22 | un214 | acl package should probably be installed by default |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | it should? i don't have it |
| 01:03.01 | un214 | just so somebody doesn't abuse it using custom tools and leave the admin hanging |
| 01:03.24 | un214 | it should be in default, not that it should have been installed when you installed default |
| 01:03.27 | un214 | (it's not in default) |
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| 01:07.09 | mirak_ | hi |
| 01:07.27 | mirak_ | what is the correct way to have a modul to never load ? |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | !tell mirak_ about blacklist |
| 01:07.42 | abrotman | !tell mirak_ about initramfs blacklist |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | !tell mirak_ about initramfs-blacklist |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | oh .. it' sin the other factoid .. get it from there :) |
| 01:08.09 | mmxxmx | do i need to reboot server for new php.ini to take effect? |
| 01:09.01 | dondelelcaro | mmxxmx: you need to restart apache. |
| 01:09.11 | dondelelcaro | (or just reload it) |
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| 01:13.11 | un214 | I've had blacklist not work |
| 01:13.44 | un214 | sometimes the only way is echo "alias $MODULENAME off" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 01:14.18 | un214 | fbcon is like that |
| 01:14.53 | stew | un214: fbcon is one where you may need to make sure to additionally blacklist it from the initramfs and rebuild the initramfs |
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| 01:16.19 | un214 | tried that, the main loader then picks it up as soon as you leave the initramfs |
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| 01:26.48 | krisfremen | hmm, ok, so any one knows of a way to get 1.2.x mumble on debian lenny? |
| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | ,versions mumble |
| 01:28.41 | judd | Package mumble on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.2-5; squeeze: 1.2.2-5 |
| 01:28.41 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:28.51 | dondelelcaro | krisfremen: you'll have to backport i |
| 01:29.04 | dondelelcaro | krisfremen: or wait/request a backport of the current version in squeeze to lenny |
| 01:29.16 | hydra | http://goo.gl/9Qzjv |
| 01:30.07 | krisfremen | well.. that sucks |
| 01:30.47 | Tekk_ | uhh, again anyone have an idea why my computer will randomly slow down when I use X? The only common denominator seems to be X, happens across all DEs and wms. And when I log out to *dm a bunch of text is on the screen, not like terminal output but graphical vector looking fonts of all sizes and ovelapping eachother, they almost look like when you cat a binary file |
| 01:31.26 | krisfremen | Tekk_: you probably don't have good video drivers |
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| 01:36.00 | abrotman | krisfremen: someone was asking abou tthis the other day .. apparently libboost is the problem |
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| 01:36.13 | krisfremen | :/ |
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| 01:36.21 | plainas | So i created this small python gtk application with a couple of global keybinds (no visible GUI). I have just tested debhelper and sucessfully created a package. Now I would like to know how to I add an entry to a desktop session in the installation process |
| 01:36.24 | krisfremen | no way to statically compile it? |
| 01:37.23 | Tekk_ | krisfremen: doubt it, I've never had this problem on arch or ubuntu |
| 01:37.38 | Tekk_ | and I even used the generic intel driver on arch :P |
| 01:37.45 | krisfremen | 9;5~ |
| 01:37.55 | krisfremen | bopz his keyboard |
| 01:37.57 | krisfremen | check dmesg |
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| 02:08.35 | dave33333 | Hey Guys, can anyone help me find my PKGBUILD list? |
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| 02:21.22 | thepro4ever | does debian lenny use kde or gnome? |
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| 02:22.08 | simonrvn | for what? |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | it can use both |
| 02:23.26 | thepro4ever | how do i know what i'm using |
| 02:24.16 | thepro4ever | ? |
| 02:24.30 | ultra420 | your question is really interesting |
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| 02:24.41 | thepro4ever | you lie |
| 02:24.53 | simonrvn | your question is kinda lame |
| 02:25.13 | thepro4ever | i've only started using linux this year |
| 02:25.21 | karlpinc | Tekk_: You could always try a newer kernel from backports.debian.org. |
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| 02:25.43 | thepro4ever | is there a command that will tell me what desktop i am using? |
| 02:26.02 | ultra420 | dear thepro4ever,are you using debian desktop now? |
| 02:26.05 | simonrvn | thepro4ever: gnome: you see a foot everywhere; kde: you see a big k everywhere |
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| 02:26.17 | simonrvn | that should help... |
| 02:26.19 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: In my experience if the taskbar menu icon for applications has a big K in it then it's KDE, if it's a footprint, gnome. |
| 02:26.33 | AimHere | If it has the word 'Start', then you're still in Windows |
| 02:26.42 | the|herbivore | lol |
| 02:26.42 | ultra420 | indeed,when you login..you could see the logo.. |
| 02:26.44 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Of course you may well be using applications from both. |
| 02:26.47 | thepro4ever | i have neither a big K nor a Foot |
| 02:27.10 | ultra420 | waooo...you are still in windows..xp maybe.. |
| 02:27.12 | AimHere | This is an interesting problem |
| 02:27.24 | AimHere | I think we should have a sweepstake as to what he's actually in |
| 02:27.29 | AimHere | I'm plumping for twm |
| 02:27.37 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Then you've another desktop, maybe lxde. If you're using GDM to login then likely there's a "session" menu before logging in which lets you select your "desktop system". |
| 02:27.39 | thepro4ever | omg just tell me the command for seeting what i'm in |
| 02:27.53 | AimHere | The interesting problem is that there isn't a command |
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| 02:28.09 | miasma | AimHere: maybe: ps -ef|grep wm |
| 02:28.28 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: If you sent a pastebin of "ps ax" we'd probably be able to tell. |
| 02:28.31 | simonrvn | 'wm" won't help... |
| 02:28.34 | AimHere | Well I'm in fluxbox, and your command wouldn't dig that out, but it's worth a try |
| 02:28.38 | simonrvn | s,",', |
| 02:29.02 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: ps ax | pastebinit (assuming pastebinit is installed.) |
| 02:29.20 | AimHere | If it's not, just cut and paste into a pastebin site |
| 02:29.30 | simonrvn | '(box|win|city|wm)' perhaps |
| 02:29.57 | karlpinc | If there was a generic *dm config we could likely tell from that.... |
| 02:32.02 | thepro4ever | i see a tiny thing that i think....is a foot...inside a blue circle in the upper left corner |
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| 02:32.29 | thepro4ever | also i use gdm to start my display sometimes, i think that stands for gnome display manager |
| 02:32.32 | thepro4ever | ?? |
| 02:33.37 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: gdm can start all of the desktops, so that only helps if you look at it's menu to see what desktop it is starting before you login. (What do you use when you don't use gdm?) Anyway, a foot means gnome. |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | is there a System menu? with an "About" at all? |
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| 02:39.52 | karlpinc | abrotman: (I can't find anything like that, offhand, in kde.) |
| 02:40.36 | abrotman | on the panel maybe? |
| 02:41.01 | karlpinc | abrotman: Possibly. I frobbed my panel. |
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| 02:43.13 | karlpinc | Sounds like a job for a new "lsb_release"-like command. It could figure out which *dm you're running and get the info from the config. (Although how that would work if you don't run X is a mystery. I'm thinking of that new compisition program (unity?) that ubuntu is moving toward.) |
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| 02:46.39 | dondelelcaro | if you don't run X, you're not running a DM... |
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| 03:15.26 | snowsnakes | hello |
| 03:15.36 | snowsnakes | I'm looking for a bit of help |
| 03:15.49 | snowsnakes | I copied a filesystem from one machine to another, but now my eth0 wants to be eth1 |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | !70 |
| 03:16.03 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 03:16.06 | snowsnakes | if I delete the /dev/ folder on the files before I copy them, will this solve my issue? |
| 03:16.43 | snowsnakes | I would rather not handle it at that level, I'm looking to find the cause of my issue |
| 03:17.13 | snowsnakes | I installed debian on system A via USB |
| 03:17.13 | abrotman | the bot just told you |
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| 03:17.49 | snowsnakes | hmmm... how do I say this.... |
| 03:18.14 | snowsnakes | I'm looking to clone a bunch of systems, and I would rather not have to edit that every time.. can I somehow make this mapping automatic? |
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| 03:23.21 | dondelelcaro | snowsnakes: so make that file empty |
| 03:23.29 | snowsnakes | that's it, huh? |
| 03:23.38 | dondelelcaro | snowsnakes: then when you clone it onto a new system, it'll get the right value when you first boot |
| 03:23.46 | Deathspawn | test |
| 03:23.51 | dondelelcaro | fail |
| 03:23.53 | snowsnakes | excellent, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 03:24.07 | snowsnakes | I just deleted my /dev/ dir instead |
| 03:24.12 | Deathspawn | oops... wrong button |
| 03:24.13 | snowsnakes | and I hosed my system.... |
| 03:24.17 | dondelelcaro | well, that wasn't what you wanted to do |
| 03:24.20 | snowsnakes | hahahaaa |
| 03:24.25 | snowsnakes | that's what backups are for, right |
| 03:24.33 | snowsnakes | only 15 minutes are lost |
| 03:26.07 | abrotman | and it won't help |
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| 03:38.41 | man_in_ltop | grrrrrr |
| 03:39.01 | man_in_ltop | any here have dowload speed issues with apt-cacher-ng? |
| 03:42.12 | man_in_ltop | with apt-cacher i'm getting an average of about 20KB/s |
| 03:42.18 | abrotman | i use approx with good results |
| 03:42.32 | man_in_ltop | directly to the same debian mirror, i'm getting an average of about 500KB/s |
| 03:42.58 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, i'll check that out |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | not a very useful comment i realize .. but just sharing |
| 03:43.42 | man_in_ltop | well, it sure could be :D |
| 03:43.53 | man_in_ltop | if i switch to approx and it suddenly starts working at 10 times the speed ;) |
| 03:44.21 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, how do i configure clients to use approx? |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | the man page covers it pretty well .. you just hvae to give them a new apt source |
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| 03:44.47 | man_in_ltop | cool cool |
| 03:46.19 | man_in_ltop | ah cool, you can change the port with debconf |
| 03:47.47 | man_in_ltop | oooh, i'm liking the look of approx configuration |
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| 03:51.54 | snowsnakes | dondelelcaro, that worked perfectly, thanks! |
| 03:53.48 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, so far so good |
| 03:54.12 | man_in_ltop | hugs abrotman and approx |
| 03:54.17 | man_in_ltop | awesome, thanks so much :) |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 03:56.42 | dondelelcaro | snowsnakes: np |
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| 04:36.13 | e7th04sh | I have Radeon9200 and debian squeeze. I am using `radeon' driver and it's loaded, i have nonfree firmware package installed and mesa dri library as well. My Xorg.0.log has a warning that direct rendering is not enabled. glxinfo says direct rendering is enable, but it uses software rasterizer. glxgears yield about 10fps on fullscreen. What now? |
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| 04:57.46 | incog | Im black |
| 04:58.14 | incog | Suckin dix for crack |
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| 05:13.31 | missPapaya | I have a dumb question |
| 05:14.04 | missPapaya | I installed the wl driver for my wireless card in sid |
| 05:14.12 | missPapaya | but I don't see it in /dev/ |
| 05:14.22 | missPapaya | or ifconfig -a |
| 05:14.48 | missPapaya | or wherever it loads |
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| 06:45.12 | andares | hey guys, how do I make the default gcc be gcc-4.3? |
| 06:45.29 | andares | like, I know I could edit the symlink manually, but surely there's a better way to do it. |
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| 06:47.00 | somiaj | update-alternatives? |
| 06:47.28 | somiaj | nope, there isn't a 'gcc' alternative, surprised. |
| 06:48.18 | cantido | andares: pass CC= to whatever you're building |
| 06:48.40 | cantido | andares: you shouldn't need to change it with anything that isn't broken |
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| 06:49.27 | andares | cantido: I'm trying to compile nvidia drivers and it requires 4.3 :( |
| 06:49.53 | somiaj | andares: send it the right CC should do it |
| 06:49.59 | andares | yeah, it seems to be working. |
| 06:50.03 | andares | yay! |
| 06:50.06 | somiaj | I'm still just surprised there isn't an alternative set up for gcc |
| 06:50.10 | cantido | andares: are you using the debian packages? |
| 06:50.31 | cantido | andares: if you kernel is built with a newer version of gcc the drivers wont load IIRC |
| 06:50.41 | andares | cantido: nah, the debian packages don't have nvidia's binary, I don't think. |
| 06:50.56 | andares | or it was old or something. I don't remeber exactly what the problem was. |
| 06:51.03 | rozie | andares: they do have nvidia binary |
| 06:51.03 | somiaj | andares: they do now in non-free, though the new 'debian way' is to install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:51.07 | rozie | andares: check non-free |
| 06:51.22 | cantido | andares: don't use the packages from nvidia |
| 06:51.23 | somiaj | andares: though not sure what is in stable, probabaly still the old way with outdated drivers |
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| 07:03.43 | andares | cantido: I like having real 3D. |
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| 07:03.58 | cantido | andares: do you have a card that isnt supported in stable? |
| 07:04.25 | andares | I don't believe that the open-source nvidia drivers support 3D, do they? |
| 07:05.00 | cantido | andares: debian ships the official nvidia drivers but packaged so that the install cleanly |
| 07:05.08 | cantido | s/the/they/ |
| 07:05.27 | andares | ah, okay. I'll give it a try then. |
| 07:06.03 | cantido | andares: if you have a new card it wont work though as the drivers in stable are old |
| 07:06.12 | andares | I have a relatively new card, I guess. |
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| 07:06.49 | cantido | andares: you might want to try some backports.. or use squeeze; the drivers in squeeze are newer and because of dkms "just work(tm)" |
| 07:06.57 | andares | hm, okay. thanks. |
| 07:06.58 | cantido | but squeeze isn't "stable" |
| 07:07.03 | linkslice | I need ideas on installing debian on a machine with no CD or floppy drive |
| 07:07.09 | cantido | linkslice: usb |
| 07:07.32 | linkslice | I've booted with USB key on this machine but it seems to not be able to find base-installer |
| 07:07.47 | cantido | linkslice: did you use debian's instructions? |
| 07:08.30 | linkslice | cantido: these were the only real isntructions I've found: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 07:08.43 | linkslice | seems outdated, but got me as far as I am now... |
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| 07:08.58 | cantido | linkslice: those are old, give me a sec.. |
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| 07:09.38 | cantido | linkslice: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html |
| 07:09.51 | cantido | linkslice: or use unetbootin from another debian box to do it for you |
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| 07:10.31 | Tros | I've installed GCC-4.1, but running "gcc" says command not found. |
| 07:10.53 | Tros | Is there a proper way to have it select the latest version? |
| 07:11.16 | dhanuxe | hv u setting path ? |
| 07:11.20 | cantido | Tros: stable is gcc 4.3 IIRC |
| 07:11.31 | cantido | Tros: install build-essential |
| 07:11.37 | dhanuxe | upss |
| 07:11.53 | Tros | cantido: Right. But I've installed 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 for some reason. That's okay for me! But I think the system wants me to select which compilier to use. |
| 07:12.08 | Tros | cantido: Or rather, I'm trying to run "make", which invokes "gcc", which fails because there's no DEFAULT gcc set. |
| 07:13.12 | cantido | Tros: if you install build-essential you should get a version of gcc that supplies a gcc link |
| 07:13.33 | cantido | Tros: what does your Makefile look like? hardcoded paths? |
| 07:13.39 | Tros | Cantido: Thanks for your patience ;O. I'll try it. |
| 07:14.06 | Tros | cantido: No idea! But I do know I can't run gcc in terminal, which is a grave error. |
| 07:15.20 | cantido | Tros: gcc here is a link to gcc-4.4.. whatever is the main version of gcc (i.e. the one everything was compiled with) in stable will provide that |
| 07:15.23 | Tros | ;/ It's for the uCLinux kernel (2.4.24) for an iPod, and invokes the arm-elf toolchain. So I'm scared to look inside. |
| 07:15.55 | cantido | Tros: so, "gcc" isnt the right compiler is it |
| 07:16.03 | Tros | cantido: "install build-essential" did the trick. |
| 07:16.17 | cantido | the gcc package will have a compiler for that machine.. not a cross compiler |
| 07:16.22 | Tros | No, I think it was just trying to compile a program to figure out how the kernel should be compiled. |
| 07:16.37 | Tros | It was only for the first file. |
| 07:16.50 | Tros | Everything else is using arm-elf-gcc |
| 07:16.55 | cantido | there is no uclinux port of debian, so there are no uclinux tool chains.. and unless you're on an arm machine you wont be able to generate arm code |
| 07:17.14 | cantido | Tros: because you need to build an arm-elf cross toolchain |
| 07:17.15 | Tros | cantido: There was a link to pre-compiled binaries to download and install. |
| 07:17.50 | cantido | Tros: emdebian might have a toolchain that can build the kernel |
| 07:18.03 | cantido | Tros: for applications you would need to build a toolchain with ulibc |
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| 07:19.24 | Tros | Cantido: >:|. There were toolchain binaries available for download. But a gcc-3.4.3 toolchain for OS X (x86), and anything lower (gcc-2.9.5) required Linux (x86) or OS X (PPC). I don't have the patience to compile toolchains on my own, so I just downloaded them from the ipodlinux project. |
| 07:19.40 | Tros | So right now, I'm using Debian in a virtualbox to run the older toolchain binaries, and it's working great. |
| 07:19.45 | cantido | Tros: building a newlib cross compiler isnt too hard |
| 07:19.54 | cantido | Tros: uclinux should be ok |
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| 07:20.11 | cantido | I think they have a sandbox builder that does it all for you |
| 07:20.15 | Tros | cantido: It's fine. I can compile things for ipodlinux and applications just fine with the 3.4.3 toolchain. But the kernel required an older version. |
| 07:20.32 | Tros | cantido: And I needed to change something in the kernel. |
| 07:20.35 | Tros | And of course: |
| 07:20.49 | Tros | I GREATLY disagree that building an older toolchain not touched since 2004 is easy >:(. |
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| 07:21.00 | Tros | There were all sorts of things that OS X did not like. |
| 07:21.09 | Tros | It might have been easier on Debian, sure. |
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| 07:21.14 | cantido | Tros: mmm I've not managed to get GCC 4.5 to build a cross chain from nothing ;) |
| 07:21.32 | cantido | I always have to build 4.3 or 4.4 first, build new lib and then rebuild GCC |
| 07:21.36 | Tros | cantido: Nor I ;D |
| 07:21.41 | Tros | Anyway |
| 07:21.45 | Tros | Mucho gracias for the help!! |
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| 07:38.13 | K0JIbKA | how to see all the messages from boot screen while it writes "Starting" and "Connecting"? |
| 07:38.30 | K0JIbKA | dmesg alone can't cope |
| 07:38.58 | somiaj | if they arne't put in a log somewhere, you can try shift-page up on the console if it doesn't load X automically |
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| 07:39.20 | somiaj | but not all the info you see there will be loged in the format its printed |
| 07:39.30 | K0JIbKA | somiaj: it does |
| 07:39.35 | somiaj | that Starting..Connecting can just be outputs from init.d scripts |
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| 07:40.15 | K0JIbKA | so that means cat /etc/init.d? |
| 07:40.16 | somiaj | init.d scripts don't output to logfiles, the programs they start will each output to their paticular log, so look into the log of the program that is starting and connencting |
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| 07:40.36 | somiaj | no /etc/init.d/ is a directory filled with start scripts for daemons and other software |
| 07:41.30 | K0JIbKA | I'm interested in NFS logs first |
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| 07:41.59 | somiaj | but if you disable the display manager, you can use shift-page up to see the info printed to the console in the buffer, but as soon as you switch consoles that info is lost from the memeory buffer |
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| 07:44.07 | somiaj | K0JIbKA: logs are located in /var/log (or should be) |
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| 07:49.24 | K0JIbKA | somiaj: yes, the one I'm looking for is /var/log/daemon.log it looks more like what I was searching for |
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| 07:52.14 | marcpv | hi, anyone know a good twitter app that works on debian 5.0.6 with oauth? |
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| 08:12.43 | itchi | K0JIbKA: the less info there is, isn't the reason why it isn't mounting, it assum the default behaviour which is no_subtree_check |
| 08:13.33 | itchi | K0JIbKA: or just add it to your export and you will see |
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| 08:15.52 | osfd | Hi there. I can't use amarok anylonger. I get the following when I launch it http://pastebin.com/qHSfUK8R |
| 08:17.04 | itchi | osfd: I don't know amarok that good. But did you try to move your amarok config files in your home dir as test? |
| 08:17.21 | itchi | osfd: To see if it work with a clean user config |
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| 08:18.09 | osfd | itchi: not sure to understand... |
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| 08:19.55 | itchi | osfd: Amarok has config files in your home directory. What i should try is first move (not delete) the amarok config files to see if it work with a clean users setup |
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| 08:28.40 | michalxo | hello! |
| 08:28.48 | michalxo | is there a way to prevent things like these? |
| 08:28.56 | michalxo | 29 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 166 MB of archives. After unpacking 233 kB will be used. |
| 08:29.20 | Moredread | prevent what? |
| 08:29.53 | osfd | itchi: I moved the amarok folder '~/.kde/share/apps/amarok' and still crash after creating a new one |
| 08:30.08 | vtts | do not do apt-get upgrade and it won't happen |
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| 08:32.32 | itchi | osfd: well then it's probably not a config issue and many chances that it is a bug :S |
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| 08:34.00 | itchi | michalxo: It isn't clear man. Try to ask in another way |
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| 08:34.28 | michalxo | prevent downloading 166MB. Instead I'd like to download only that needed 233kB |
| 08:35.03 | itchi | michalxo: no you don't understand i think |
| 08:35.16 | michalxo | I do understand ;-) |
| 08:35.56 | itchi | michalxo: It needs to download that amount, and will install it by replacing stuff or even remove stuff, and seems you will get 233kb more space after that |
| 08:36.01 | michalxo | everything will get deleted and replaced by the new packages.. resulting in extra 233kB more |
| 08:36.07 | itchi | michalxo: Otherwise you want a system which use a diff system |
| 08:36.24 | michalxo | debian does not want that I presume, right? |
| 08:36.30 | itchi | yeah, more space, error in my phrase above |
| 08:37.30 | michalxo | "modify apt" in a way to download just necessary files and changes only.. not whole packages.. :-( |
| 08:37.32 | itchi | michalxo: It's hard to use a such diff updating system or how you may call it. Think about the way of upgrades. You need to get the diffs in the right order... |
| 08:38.08 | itchi | michalxo: apt should only download the "patch" (a diff file). But that isn't the case because it's ways to hard to manage a such system |
| 08:38.45 | itchi | michalxo: It's a completely different system. Ok, it download less, but it's to hard for upgrades |
| 08:38.46 | michalxo | ah, ok then. it was just an idea, how to save bandwidth :-) |
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| 08:39.06 | itchi | michalxo: well bandwitdth, we don't care these days :P |
| 08:39.13 | Moredread | michalxo: I guess the binary diffs won't turn out much smaller than the original files, but this indeed is an intersting question |
| 08:39.35 | itchi | michalxo: but i agree with your idea, that has already been proposed several times but yah, it's to hard |
| 08:40.10 | itchi | and imagine when you dist-upgrade :P |
| 08:40.18 | Moredread | itchi: do you have a link to more technical explanation why this is so? |
| 08:40.20 | michalxo | did anyone start to code it? Or they know it's too hard, so they dont do that at all? :-) |
| 08:40.53 | itchi | Moredread: I don't have one |
| 08:41.14 | itchi | Moredread: It's just that it passed several times on different post on the Usenet |
| 08:41.42 | Moredread | ok, I'll search there :) |
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| 08:52.01 | mmxxmx | hmm |
| 08:52.36 | mmxxmx | i am trtign to configure ffmpeg |
| 08:52.42 | mmxxmx | bt it idnt find two libraries |
| 08:52.47 | mmxxmx | how can i install them one by one? |
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| 08:53.25 | itchi | mmxxmx: You are compilling it? |
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| 08:53.42 | mmxxmx | yeah |
| 08:53.53 | itchi | mmxxmx: Which one isn't found? |
| 08:54.01 | mmxxmx | libtheora |
| 08:54.01 | mmxxmx | and |
| 08:54.42 | mmxxmx | well it sayid unknown option --enable-libfaad" uknown |
| 08:54.43 | itchi | mmxxmx: libtheora-dev |
| 08:54.48 | mmxxmx | ah |
| 08:55.08 | itchi | mmxxmx: and libfaad-dev probably |
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| 08:55.36 | itchi | mmxxmx: But the question is, why do you compile it? |
| 08:55.44 | aleray | hi, I need to set up a ftp server. Which one would you advice? |
| 08:55.47 | mmxxmx | Unknown option "--enable-libtheora-dev". |
| 08:56.20 | itchi | aleray: I like vsftpd, but that's my choice |
| 08:56.34 | mmxxmx | itchi cause installation isnt working right |
| 08:56.39 | mmxxmx | former installation, that is |
| 08:56.45 | itchi | mmxxmx: ah your wrong i think you should install my mentioned packages first |
| 08:57.04 | mmxxmx | hmm |
| 08:57.11 | itchi | mmxxmx: dunno about the args you can/should provide |
| 08:57.22 | itchi | mmxxmx: i don't compile ffmpeg :P |
| 08:57.43 | mmxxmx | well my scirpt cant find it |
| 08:57.57 | aleray | itchi, thanks |
| 08:58.10 | mmxxmx | ffmpeg not found : usr/bin/ffmpeg :( |
| 08:58.11 | missPapaya | anybody want to help me with a driver? |
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| 08:58.22 | itchi | missPapaya: No :P |
| 08:58.27 | aleray | what are the pro an cons of it? |
| 08:58.30 | aleray | itchi, |
| 08:58.40 | itchi | missPapaya: Just ask your question ;-) and cross your fingers :P |
| 08:59.02 | jelly | !wl |
| 08:59.02 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB") and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. See also <brcm80211>. |
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| 08:59.08 | itchi | aleray: It's a Very Secure FTP |
| 08:59.17 | missPapaya | I installed wl |
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| 08:59.20 | missPapaya | and loaded it |
| 08:59.26 | missPapaya | but wlan0 doesn't show up |
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| 08:59.34 | jelly | missPapaya: did anything happen in dmesg output on loading it? |
| 08:59.44 | missPapaya | let me try |
| 08:59.50 | k1ng | anyone got zyxel? |
| 09:00.32 | missPapaya | I see nothing |
| 09:00.51 | k1ng | i need to reset the modem... i cant access the control panel coz i miss configured it |
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| 09:02.01 | jelly | missPapaya: pastebin your dmesg or /var/log/kern.log; is this an usb or a pci/pciexpress/internal card? If latter, pastebin the output of lspci -nn as well, please |
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| 09:05.02 | missPapaya | pcie internal for a laptop |
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| 09:06.29 | jelly | missPapaya: did you follow all the steps in the wiki page, including blacklisting the conflicting free drivers? |
| 09:06.51 | missPapaya | http://pastebin.com/q0kF2pdJ |
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| 09:06.57 | missPapaya | yeah |
| 09:07.58 | jelly | missPapaya: how come, then, your dmesg lines 285-289 show brcm80211 trying to load |
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| 09:08.24 | missPapaya | I removed it |
| 09:08.38 | missPapaya | modprobe -r |
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| 09:09.07 | missPapaya | I'm going to try that again |
| 09:09.22 | missPapaya | it's taking a while |
| 09:09.57 | Devastator | some module is definely giving trouble to the kernel, but it doesn't seem related |
| 09:10.26 | Devastator | definitely |
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| 09:11.12 | Devastator | definely, definitely, always confuses me |
| 09:11.13 | jelly | missPapaya: the removal of brcm80211 didn't really work. You'll have to reboot after having blacklisted it |
| 09:11.35 | missPapaya | ok |
| 09:11.40 | missPapaya | brb then |
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| 09:13.17 | jelly | missPapaya: see how lines 360 onwards show a kernel Oops, and the stack trace points to it being relevant to removing some wireless-related (80211) driver |
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| 09:15.08 | missPapaya | ok |
| 09:15.11 | missPapaya | well it works now |
| 09:15.17 | missPapaya | after a reboot |
| 09:15.25 | missPapaya | except it's device eth1 |
| 09:15.27 | missPapaya | not eth0 |
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| 09:15.43 | missPapaya | I mean wlan0 |
| 09:16.46 | mmxxmx | itchi i installed libtheora |
| 09:17.02 | mmxxmx | now i need to fix the libfaad issue |
| 09:17.15 | itchi | mmxxmx: Well, install that package :P |
| 09:18.02 | mmxxmx | i did |
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| 09:18.07 | mmxxmx | it says it is intalled |
| 09:18.30 | itchi | mmxxmx: I'm not sure about the argument you provide to your ./configure |
| 09:18.45 | mmxxmx | libfaad-dev is already the newest version. |
| 09:18.45 | itchi | mmxxmx: Is it been the right flag? |
| 09:18.51 | mmxxmx | yes |
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| 09:19.04 | zealiod | Why is ebtables only loggin arp traffic? |
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| 09:20.02 | itchi | mmxxmx: Your configure complained about an unknown option --enable-libfaad. So i wonder that it is correct :) |
| 09:20.31 | itchi | mmxxmx: That's a configure issue :) |
| 09:20.47 | mmxxmx | i changed it to -enable-libfaad-dev |
| 09:21.04 | mmxxmx | gonan isntall it manually |
| 09:22.13 | itchi | mmxxmx: no |
| 09:22.42 | mmxxmx | . |
| 09:22.44 | itchi | mmxxmx: you should change that flag, you need to check the docs of ffmpeg to check which flag you should use |
| 09:22.46 | missPapaya | how do I set device names? |
| 09:22.59 | jelly | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 09:23.01 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny2; sid: 4:0.5.2-6; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; experimental: 4:0.6.1-1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: |
| 09:23.03 | missPapaya | can I configure udev rules? |
| 09:23.03 | judd | 5:0.6~svn20100726-0.1 |
| 09:23.18 | mmxxmx | ... |
| 09:23.29 | jelly | mmxxmx: consider trying the build from debian-multimedia repo instead of building your own |
| 09:23.36 | jelly | !tell mmxxmx about dmm |
| 09:23.38 | itchi | mmxxmx: I still don't know what you are trying to achieve :P |
| 09:23.42 | mmxxmx | i am using said repository |
| 09:23.50 | mmxxmx | getting ffmpeg to work |
| 09:24.08 | itchi | mmxxmx: Which Debian release do you use? |
| 09:24.12 | mmxxmx | lenny |
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| 09:24.44 | jelly | mmxxmx: it should have aac support. At least, mplayer using it works fine with aac+ streams |
| 09:24.57 | mmxxmx | so i dont need the library? |
| 09:25.00 | jelly | mmxxmx: what does not work? |
| 09:25.18 | mmxxmx | my script deosnt recognzie the current installation |
| 09:25.22 | mmxxmx | so i wann repcompile |
| 09:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 09:25.29 | jelly | mmxxmx: what script? |
| 09:25.50 | mmxxmx | some script |
| 09:25.50 | jelly | mmxxmx: what's your actual goal? |
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| 09:26.11 | mmxxmx | get teh script to identify ffmepeg |
| 09:26.18 | mmxxmx | i dont think i set it up correclty the first time |
| 09:26.23 | mmxxmx | ffmpeg, that is |
| 09:26.40 | itchi | mmxxmx: It's still dark in the cyberspace man |
| 09:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have typed over 50 lines now and you have not said what the problem was with installing the package and running it in the first place |
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| 09:27.39 | themill | !tinfoil mmxxmx |
| 09:27.39 | dpkg | mmxxmx: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
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| 09:27.44 | mmxxmx | i did |
| 09:27.48 | missPapaya | where does debian get device names from? |
| 09:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | did not... I have /lastlog |
| 09:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have also not said what commands you use to compile, and you have said stuff like "ooo, doesn't workx" twice now |
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| 09:28.50 | itchi | mmxxmx: Peoples say that for you own good man |
| 09:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only thing I see was you tried to get ffmpg running in etch |
| 09:29.31 | itchi | s/etch/lenny/ |
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| 09:30.00 | jelly | mmxxmx: can you pastebin your script and explain what you're really trying to achieve (why do you need a script to "detect ffmpeg") |
| 09:30.21 | jelly | er, identify ffmpeg |
| 09:30.26 | itchi | mmxxmx: Are you trying to porn the nasa or so that it is so secret? |
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| 09:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sorry I just come in and rant, but this is happening so often... and makes useful answers pretty much impossible |
| 09:31.47 | Naith | he's trolling |
| 09:32.00 | itchi | yeah, you just get the minimal info, and maybe not the right one. As we don't know your plans |
| 09:32.01 | jelly | eyes Naith |
| 09:32.30 | itchi | i don't think so, he's trying to fix his Nase Porno vieuwer :P |
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| 09:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | itchi, there was something about etch... but you're right, that was only a misunderstanding |
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| 09:32.55 | missPapaya | can anybody tell me quickly what file udev reads to assign device names? |
| 09:33.15 | themill | missPapaya: for which sort of devices? |
| 09:33.24 | missPapaya | themill: networking |
| 09:33.31 | themill | dpkg: tell missPapaya about 70 |
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| 09:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | missPapaya, did you look in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 09:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 09:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | slow, too |
| 09:35.05 | missPapaya | I got it |
| 09:35.07 | missPapaya | thanks |
| 09:35.19 | sts | hello folks. how can i build a debian package for multiple debian versions? i want a custom puppet package. |
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| 09:35.29 | missPapaya | should I file a bug report because it automatically assigned wl's device to eth1? |
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| 09:38.15 | jelly | missPapaya: no, why? |
| 09:38.37 | jelly | nothing wrong with naming the second network interface "eth1" |
| 09:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit unusual for a wireless device, though |
| 09:38.56 | missPapaya | is it not the standard to name wireless cards wlan? |
| 09:39.00 | K0JIbKA | what else do i have to install to see/send files from/to both Debian based computers(192.168.249.100 and 192.168.249.105( in LAN 192.168.249.0 connected by router 192.168.249.1 if i have installed nfs-common package only? |
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| 09:39.09 | jelly | my intel wireless card is eth1 |
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| 09:40.54 | missPapaya | it would be nice if broadcom released the source code to their drivers |
| 09:41.09 | jelly | K0JIbKA: if you want to use nfs, you'll have to install a bit mode than that |
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| 09:41.51 | jelly | a bit more* |
| 09:42.01 | K0JIbKA | jelly: i've installed samba as well |
| 09:42.09 | cantido | K0JIbKA: you need one of the nfs servers |
| 09:42.14 | K0JIbKA | but that is really fun stuff |
| 09:42.28 | K0JIbKA | funny |
| 09:42.37 | cantido | K0JIbKA: samba != nfs |
| 09:42.45 | jelly | K0JIbKA: what, did you expect setting up file shares on Debian to be simple? :-) |
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| 09:43.15 | K0JIbKA | say /home/Downloads folder? |
| 09:43.35 | K0JIbKA | to be rw mode |
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| 09:44.26 | cantido | K0JIbKA: you need to install an nfs server (there are two) and setup /etc/exports |
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| 09:45.06 | K0JIbKA | cantido: you mean kernel and user? |
| 09:45.39 | jelly | and /etc/hosts.allow and possibly something else that I can't remember |
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| 09:48.29 | cantido | jelly: that's in the export file.. |
| 09:48.42 | cantido | K0JIbKA: the kernel server is the best option from what I remember |
| 09:49.17 | K0JIbKA | cantido: but what about all these nfsboot, nfsbooted? i don't know which are really needed by system |
| 09:49.26 | jelly | cantido: what, allowing access to mountd and portmap, since they're built with tcp_wrappers support? |
| 09:49.39 | jelly | cantido: I don't think so. |
| 09:50.03 | cantido | K0JIbKA: you need nfs-common, and the kernel server (I forget the package name).. clients only need nfs-common |
| 09:50.15 | jelly | oh right, and making portmap listen on an external iface |
| 09:50.26 | cantido | jelly: can remember something about portmap.. but I've never needed to edit hosts.allow from what I remember |
| 09:50.41 | cantido | this should be in /usr/share/docs/ anyhoo |
| 09:51.36 | cantido | IIRC portmap only listens on lo so you need to change that and open any ports if you have a firewall setup |
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| 09:52.46 | zxd | what does udevadm trigger does |
| 09:53.01 | zxd | and why does it need to run a second time after initrd |
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| 09:54.38 | K0JIbKA | cantido: that's what i have and still can't use file sharing http://pastebin.com/HTEFDHUt |
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| 09:56.12 | cantido | K0JIbKA: you realise you have to "export" the directory you want to share and then mount it on the client right? |
| 09:56.32 | cantido | jelly: from what I can tell, portmapper isn't protected by default |
| 09:57.10 | jelly | cantido: hey, I'm not the one to help, K0JIbKA is. |
| 09:57.45 | K0JIbKA | cantido: something like that. But I'm not that strong in shell. I perform everything in GNOME |
| 09:58.00 | jelly | be helped* |
| 09:58.12 | cantido | K0JIbKA: mmm NFS might not be what you want though |
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| 09:58.21 | K0JIbKA | seems easier than it actually is |
| 09:58.52 | cantido | K0JIbKA: in KDE's file manager at least you can browse machines that are broadcasting SCP's presence via avahi and browse, copy files etc |
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| 09:59.18 | cantido | works really well. |
| 10:00.23 | K0JIbKA | cantido: well all I need is to share couple of folder on two Debian machines. if it is KDE, then it's possible simply to install it inside GNOME i think |
| 10:01.01 | cantido | K0JIbKA: Gnomes file manager probaby supports browsing via scp |
| 10:01.45 | K0JIbKA | cantido: how to bring it on? |
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| 10:01.54 | cantido | can't remember if by default debian's avahi broadcasts SCP availability |
| 10:02.23 | petemc | K0JIbKA: sftp://user@host |
| 10:02.42 | petemc | konqueror should support it too |
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| 10:03.28 | cantido | s/scp/sftp/ |
| 10:03.35 | K0JIbKA | petemc: that means i have to assign each of the machines a new user? |
| 10:04.04 | petemc | i havent been following your conversation |
| 10:04.14 | petemc | reads back |
| 10:04.26 | cantido | K0JIbKA: if you're just copying some files around using the file manager to browse is ok |
| 10:04.48 | cantido | K0JIbKA: if you have a "server" with a directory you want to share go for nfs or samba if you have windows machines |
| 10:05.33 | K0JIbKA | cantido: my problem are proper settings |
| 10:06.16 | K0JIbKA | nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server are up and running, but not duly set |
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| 10:06.59 | K0JIbKA | or might be not running, but i can't check it |
| 10:07.18 | cantido | K0JIbKA: ok,.. you need to look at /etc/exports on the server and export the directory you to share |
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| 10:07.59 | cantido | K0JIbKA: then you need to configure portmapper to listen on the right interface.. which is in /etc/default/portmap |
| 10:09.21 | cantido | K0JIbKA: then on the clients you can do "mount 123.123.123.123:/path/to/your/export /mountpoint" |
| 10:09.44 | cantido | still doesn't get NFSv4's unified mountpoint thing |
| 10:10.38 | K0JIbKA | cantido: ok, first thins first. http://pastebin.com/m2zV3PpK that for my laptop and for netbook it's the same except user name |
| 10:11.10 | K0JIbKA | cantido: what do you think is it correct? |
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| 10:12.01 | zxd | is it possible to tell udevadm to not add devices which already exist? |
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| 10:12.26 | cantido | K0JIbKA: you don't need the 192.168.249.105(rw) |
| 10:13.15 | K0JIbKA | cantido: that is netbook viewing from laptop side:) |
| 10:13.50 | cantido | that netmask doesn't look right either.. |
| 10:13.57 | K0JIbKA | ok, i'll edit that one and remove 192.168.249.105(rw) |
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| 10:14.21 | cantido | I presume you meant 192.168.249.0/255.255.255.0 or similar |
| 10:14.32 | cantido | hence 192.168.249.105 is already included |
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| 10:14.43 | K0JIbKA | ok, one more mistake corrected |
| 10:15.09 | K0JIbKA | i did it all in Network Settings, using Gnome. |
| 10:15.28 | K0JIbKA | with more than poor Help provided |
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| 10:16.17 | K0JIbKA | cantido: you've been a helping hand for me |
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| 10:16.31 | K0JIbKA | :) |
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| 10:18.01 | K0JIbKA | now i think it's time to edit this lone string in /etc/exports and go to portmapping item |
| 10:18.33 | Jck_true | Right - :/ So how do i set the clock on my vps :( |
| 10:18.43 | cantido | Jck_true: what sort of vps? |
| 10:18.51 | Jck_true | Debian VPS |
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| 10:18.59 | cantido | Jck_true: xen etc provide the clock to the guests |
| 10:19.16 | Jck_true | I think it's Xen - I'm not sure but it's way off |
| 10:19.27 | lxsameer | hi does gpg key of "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" expired ? |
| 10:19.33 | Jck_true | Verified - it's Xen |
| 10:19.39 | Jck_true | No way I can override it? |
| 10:19.46 | cantido | Jck_true: mmm are there xen guest tools? |
| 10:20.13 | cantido | Jck_true: the problem is that the system clock goes all over the place because your "machine" gets loaded and unloaded all the time |
| 10:20.14 | Jck_true | cantido: Hmm doesn't appear so |
| 10:20.30 | cantido | Jck_true: so it has to fix the clock from the host machine.. |
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| 10:22.08 | cantido | K0JIbKA: I haven't do it in a while, but I think you just add the option for which interface to listen into the variable thats in there |
| 10:22.08 | cryptr | mmm anyway to easilly see changes in a package? x11-common was updated on my squeeze box and just curious |
| 10:22.08 | cantido | oh he left |
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| 10:22.15 | Jck_true | cantido: Hmm any more clues where to look? |
| 10:22.15 | cantido | Jck_true: I'm just checking what my xen guest does |
| 10:22.22 | Jck_true | Oh thanks :) |
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| 10:23.28 | cantido | Jck_true: ok, from what I can tell the xen kernel has some kernel daemons that keep the clock in sync |
| 10:24.29 | cantido | Jck_true: my kernel isnt from debian though, its slicehosts.. there is an interface for turning "wall clock watching" on and off in /sys/xen.. you might want to poke around in there. Maybe the clock syncing has been disabled |
| 10:24.30 | Jck_true | cantido: Found this http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 10:24.44 | Jck_true | cantido: Ahh used to be a longterm customer with slicehost :) |
| 10:24.57 | Jck_true | echo "jiffies"> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource |
| 10:25.02 | cantido | yeah, my slice just seems to work |
| 10:25.08 | Jck_true | xen.independent_wallclock=1 |
| 10:25.17 | cantido | has been called for tea |
| 10:25.20 | Jck_true | cantido: I downloaded 1.8gb in 61 seconds |
| 10:25.36 | cantido | echo 0 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 10:25.56 | cryptr | changelogs.debian.org was a good page :) |
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| 10:28.24 | Jck_true | That's why I sometimes hate linux - when it takes a half a day just to set the clock :P |
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| 10:30.17 | K0JIbKA | cantido: well both machines restarted, should we go to portmapping item? |
| 10:30.41 | K0JIbKA | cause still no shares reachable |
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| 10:35.10 | K0JIbKA | so far it's going to be /etc/hosts.allow to be edited for portmap: 192.168.249. is it? |
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| 10:39.22 | bars0 | -wc |
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| 10:44.14 | nsadmin | , file pg_config |
| 10:44.17 | judd | pg_config in lenny/i386: postgresql-server-dev-8.3: usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin/pg_config; libpq-dev: usr/bin/pg_config |
| 10:45.09 | jelly | K0JIbKA: the syntax was portmap: 192.168.249.* if I remember correctly |
| 10:45.23 | jelly | K0JIbKA: while you're at it, add the same for mountd: |
| 10:45.43 | nsadmin | interesting... installing postgresql-server-dev-8.3 removes rsync |
| 10:46.23 | nsadmin | why in the -world- would one have anything to do with the other? |
| 10:46.37 | K0JIbKA | portmap: 192.168.249. to be exact |
| 10:46.40 | jelly | nsadmin: something autoinstalled rsync? |
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| 10:47.02 | nsadmin | it's a rsync{u} |
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| 10:47.20 | K0JIbKA | jelly: you mean what to add? |
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| 10:47.33 | nsadmin | got it... never mind... argh |
| 10:47.40 | jelly | K0JIbKA: the client ip range, same as for portmap |
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| 10:47.42 | solidrock | ei guys, do you have a straightforward link for setting up xen on debian lenny on 32bit process |
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| 10:48.09 | petemc | solidrock: theres a guide on the debian wiki |
| 10:48.24 | solidrock | checking now |
| 10:48.38 | nsadmin | isn't there a xen-somethingorother package that installs everything you need? |
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| 10:48.51 | solidrock | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Installationonlenny <- is this the one you're pertaining of? |
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| 10:49.03 | K0JIbKA | jelly: so it turns out to be completely shell adjustment of Network Settings. What a pitty for GNOME! |
| 10:49.08 | solidrock | i've installed debian using minimal cd |
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| 10:50.03 | jelly | K0JIbKA: you're always going to find something that needs manual configuration |
| 10:51.17 | K0JIbKA | jelly: oh, yes, i am!:) |
| 10:51.31 | ktlr | hi there ^^ i am using the debian lenny on my server , and arch linux on my computer ^^ today i installed apc-cache on debian lenny , but i have got a little problem ^^ apc.php is working correcty , but apc_exists and other apc_functions aren't exists in my project |
| 10:51.33 | ktlr | ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 10:51.36 | ktlr | i am very happy |
| 10:53.17 | ktlr | on my computer everything is working correctly, but when i am updateing on my server which isn't development server, on there doesn't work a new functions |
| 10:53.30 | ktlr | i installed with aptitude ... aptitude install apc-php |
| 10:53.56 | yareckon | ktlr, this should happen automagically, but you could try a2enmod apc |
| 10:54.14 | yareckon | actually, it is not an apache extension, is it.... |
| 10:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no package called apc-php? |
| 10:54.29 | nsadmin | your server is not your computer? |
| 10:54.30 | petemc | p |
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| 10:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... but php-apc |
| 10:54.34 | yareckon | he means there is no php function called apc under php |
| 10:54.40 | simonrvn | apc is not an apache module |
| 10:54.43 | yareckon | not that he should have to use it |
| 10:54.48 | ktlr | it is writing me : Fatal error: Call to undefined function apc_exists() in |
| 10:54.48 | yareckon | dunno his use case I guess |
| 10:54.50 | ktlr | ^^ |
| 10:55.12 | ktlr | ohh sorry |
| 10:55.13 | yareckon | why do you need to run your code differently if apc is on versus when it is not? |
| 10:55.16 | ktlr | i wrote it wrong |
| 10:55.21 | yareckon | it's kjust and accelerator |
| 10:55.27 | ktlr | i installed php-apc |
| 10:55.43 | simonrvn | what he needs to do is restart the cgi/apache so the php sees it |
| 10:55.55 | yareckon | that would help |
| 10:56.14 | ktlr | i have been reinstalled it aptitude reinstall php-apc |
| 10:56.43 | yareckon | restart apache ktlr |
| 10:57.24 | ktlr | i had been done^^^^ since 10 minutes ago ^^^^^ |
| 10:57.27 | ktlr | i am very happy ^^ |
| 10:57.40 | yareckon | so everthing is now ok? |
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| 10:59.40 | ktlr | http://www.dotdeb.org/2009/11/30/php-5-3-1-packages-for-debian-lenny-theyre-here/ |
| 10:59.45 | ktlr | NO EVERYTHING ISN'T OKAY |
| 10:59.54 | yareckon | alrighty then |
| 10:59.56 | ktlr | DEBIAN IS A BEST OF BEST DISTRUBITION |
| 10:59.59 | ktlr | OH YEAH |
| 11:00.06 | ktlr | THERE IS NOTHING WORK CORRECTLY |
| 11:00.08 | ktlr | OH YEAH |
| 11:00.09 | ktlr | ^^ |
| 11:00.12 | ktlr | I AM GOING TO SMOKE |
| 11:00.18 | themill | ktlr: enough on the caps |
| 11:00.18 | yareckon | you do that |
| 11:00.34 | nsadmin | could you also lay off the enter key |
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| 11:01.33 | yareckon | hmm on another note.. is there a commandline command to find broken depends? |
| 11:01.48 | themill | yareckon: /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 11:03.10 | yareckon | thanks |
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| 11:05.01 | zealiod | how can i broute with ebtables so that traffic coming in with a 802.1Q tag goes to eth1? |
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| 11:06.18 | nsadmin | do you have the necessary programs installed? note, there is a ##networking, #netfilter, #iptables around here somewhere |
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| 11:11.17 | zealiod | nsadmin: yeah, i have the programs |
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| 11:12.39 | nsadmin | zealiod: ok, cool... there might be net people around here... they may or may not be awake... so, the channels I mentioned before are offered as additional sources |
| 11:12.56 | zealiod | thamks! |
| 11:13.30 | K0JIbKA | jelly: i've edited /etc/hosts.allow with portmap:192.168.249. and by the way which of <mountd> of these http://pastebin.com/2CNj3QRG did you mention? |
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| 11:13.32 | ktlr | can somebody help me in private ? |
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| 11:19.15 | jelly | K0JIbKA: add a similar "mountd: ..." line in hosts.allow |
| 11:20.06 | OutOfLine | I want to export openoffice .odt fortmat to LaTeX on sid. I have openoffice.org-writer2latex installed, but can't find out how to use it. (feel free to point me to a more appropriate channel) |
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| 11:21.00 | globe_tmp | hi guys |
| 11:21.54 | nsadmin | OutOfLine: there's not a man page? |
| 11:22.24 | sts | guys, how can i provide an orig.tar for a package build with git-buildpackage? |
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| 11:23.04 | nsadmin | ktlr: I personally don't handle nonpaid training/troubleshooting sessions in /msg |
| 11:23.06 | Nepherius | hmm I did apt-get update and for some reason all lines start with Ign or Err , whats up with that ? |
| 11:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... there's no README.Debian either... |
| 11:23.11 | OutOfLine | nsadmin: can't find one |
| 11:23.23 | nsadmin | what package does it come from |
| 11:23.34 | OutOfLine | how to tell? |
| 11:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you look in the list of extensions, it says "error: status of extension unknown" |
| 11:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said it... openoffice.org-writer2latex |
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| 11:24.08 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
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| 11:25.07 | nsadmin | OutOfLine: to see what's in the package data tarball, run dpkg -L openoffice.org-writer2latex |
| 11:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already did that.. nothing useful |
| 11:25.44 | nsadmin | see what's in the package tarball, and take note of anything it puts in any .../bin/ dir |
| 11:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an extension to OO |
| 11:26.31 | nsadmin | so maybe it adds a menu or menu entry to it? |
| 11:26.55 | nsadmin | maybe it's save as or print |
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| 11:27.33 | OutOfLine | i read it should be in export |
| 11:27.40 | OutOfLine | ifnot rstart oo |
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| 11:27.46 | OutOfLine | does not help |
| 11:27.57 | nsadmin | so, you exited oo |
| 11:28.01 | OutOfLine | s/rstart/restart/ |
| 11:28.05 | OutOfLine | YeS |
| 11:28.06 | nsadmin | and ran it again... right? |
| 11:28.21 | nsadmin | and then tried to export something... |
| 11:28.22 | OutOfLine | yes |
| 11:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, OO doesn't seem to be sure the extension is loaded/active |
| 11:28.32 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 11:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does show it in the extension manager, though |
| 11:28.45 | OutOfLine | it does not show up as possible format |
| 11:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is squeeze or lenny we're talking about? |
| 11:29.11 | OutOfLine | extension manager? what's that? It's sid |
| 11:29.15 | nsadmin | I wonder if it depends on soemthing that didn't get installed (due to missing Depends: entry?) |
| 11:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the bright side, I doubt exporting to latex works very well anyway... they're pretty different formats :-P |
| 11:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tools->Extension manager in OO |
| 11:30.22 | OutOfLine | sure, but my doughter wrote a book in oo. Now we want to TeX that. oo export could give a file to start with... |
| 11:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | if this is supposed to make an entry under "exports"... and you have some document saying so, I would just file a bug against the package |
| 11:31.12 | OutOfLine | CutMeOwnThroat: no, i only see mailmerge.py there |
| 11:31.17 | nsadmin | it's supposed to output .latex text, to be processed into a .dvi? |
| 11:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's only 2... the one that could be somewhat related is 466300 |
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| 11:32.28 | nsadmin | note... if you're using sid for any real work... you may be in for delays, problems and generally annoying behavior |
| 11:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, I can see it there, but with a silly warning sign |
| 11:32.53 | OutOfLine | oh ;) |
| 11:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the message I wrote above... |
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| 11:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so for me at least... OO definitely reads the file... |
| 11:34.23 | OutOfLine | nsadmin: yes, that's what i think, exporting file.latex |
| 11:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it doesn't even turn up, you could strace OO to see if the file is accessed |
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| 11:36.00 | OutOfLine | i guess it's some stupid user error, i don't know oo, only emacs ;) |
| 11:36.02 | globe_tmp | guys i open a putty session then i start process in background but when i close putty the process shutdown ! |
| 11:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, well... about that not working so well - obviously I haven't seen the output the converter produces, but it *might* be better to put the plain-tex in a new latex document anyway... depends how much weird formatting commands it produces |
| 11:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, I think filing a bug against it might be a good idea.. |
| 11:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I could look if it works in lenny if you give me a moment |
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| 11:38.13 | globe_tmp | guys i open a putty session then i start process in background but when i close putty the process shutdown ! |
| 11:38.27 | Nepherius | why do I keep getting this when i try to update http://pastebin.ca/1992081 ? |
| 11:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's squeeze-proposed-updates supposed to be |
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| 11:40.13 | Nepherius | ..idk |
| 11:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, it's fine in Lenny... and yes, it does give you Latex2e as an option under "exports" |
| 11:41.40 | OutOfLine | CutMeOwnThroat: please do. I have squeeze too, but hd is too small to install oo and TeX there... |
| 11:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, file a bug and see what the maintainer says |
| 11:41.50 | OutOfLine | ah, i see |
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| 11:42.15 | frol | hi |
| 11:42.41 | frol | is there a way to code using obj-c with gnome in debian? |
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| 11:42.48 | Shadur | Probably. |
| 11:43.01 | frol | ;) |
| 11:43.24 | frol | do you know what is the best solution to do this |
| 11:43.44 | yareckon | frol, the gnustep stuff is all obj-c |
| 11:43.53 | frol | i looked at GNUStep but i con't install with gnome |
| 11:43.57 | yareckon | find them and ask them... not that that is gnome |
| 11:44.14 | Nepherius | So anyone know how to fix my problem ?:) |
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| 11:45.48 | yareckon | Nepherius, the romanian squeeze mirror server is misconfigured and you are getitng a 500 error there |
| 11:46.21 | yareckon | and you have a couple of files under apt that apt doesn't like |
| 11:46.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | OutOfLine, for converting now, I guess saving as html and then using html2latex might work just as well (or badly) as the exporter... |
| 11:46.30 | yareckon | but thats only a nag |
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| 11:46.58 | Nepherius | ah ok ty |
| 11:47.10 | yareckon | Nepherius, just set another mirror, or try to contact the folks that run .ro |
| 11:48.21 | yareckon | is there a program that can open and manipulate a deb file on the commandline? I want to recklessly change the depends list of a package. |
| 11:48.47 | OutOfLine | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, will experiment a bit... |
| 11:48.48 | yareckon | In gnome I would just open the file with archive manager and change the control file |
| 11:51.14 | petemc | this is something you do on a regular basis? |
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| 11:51.25 | zykes- | anyone know how I can get vsftpd to only allow in users that are a member of a group ? |
| 11:51.43 | yareckon | nope, just a stupid suicide mission :) |
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| 11:53.36 | yareckon | ok, so is there a way to unpack and repack a package, so that I can just update the depends file by hand? |
| 11:54.00 | yareckon | I'm readign the dpkg man page and -x looks like it can dump the contents |
| 11:54.10 | yareckon | but dunno about putting humpty together again |
| 11:54.26 | somiaj | yareckon: why do you need to change a depends on a package? |
| 11:55.05 | yareckon | because I am creating a test system that can migrate stuff between php4 and php5 and therefore I need the hideous php4 on lenny |
| 11:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | yareckon, it's a couple of tar files inside an ar archive |
| 11:55.15 | themill | yareckon: no, that extracts the files of the .deb, not the control files. "/msg dpkg deb" but this really doesn't sound like the sort of thing that you want to be doing... |
| 11:55.28 | yareckon | so I have compiled php4 and am package depend away from success |
| 11:56.12 | yareckon | I know I don't want to be doing it, but I have to be doing it this way at the moment |
| 11:56.49 | somiaj | you can tell dpkg to ignore depends, and --force things, but of course that may break things |
| 11:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | man wants an educational experience... who are we to argue |
| 11:56.58 | yareckon | it is of course your option not to help me because my errand is foolish, but was asking a mostly unrelated debian skill |
| 11:57.12 | yareckon | oh, its been educational |
| 11:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yareckon, you got the answer from two people now, what do you complain about |
| 11:57.30 | yareckon | I'm not complaing man |
| 11:57.35 | yareckon | just explaining after I was asked to |
| 11:57.37 | somiaj | but I would think just putting php4 on the system that is runable via cgi can be done without any of what you are doing |
| 11:58.15 | yareckon | could be. |
| 11:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | we just told you along with the answer that it might or might not be a good idea... which I think is fairysnuff |
| 11:59.03 | yareckon | that is what I was asking for, so thanks |
| 12:00.45 | yareckon | tar thinks this doesn't look like a tar archive |
| 12:00.58 | yareckon | hmm |
| 12:00.59 | themill | yareckon: it's not. |
| 12:01.10 | yareckon | " yareckon, it's a couple of tar files inside an ar archive" |
| 12:01.21 | yareckon | ar, not tar |
| 12:01.25 | yareckon | :) |
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| 12:01.57 | yareckon | the basis of my question was how to reversibly extract and edit the files in a deb |
| 12:02.31 | yareckon | probably should be googling it, I'm sure I'm not the first to try this |
| 12:03.10 | themill | yareckon: as dpkg told you, "ar x foo.deb" to open it, "man ar" on how to make archives using ar would be a good next step. |
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| 12:05.35 | yareckon | sorry didn't get the /msg |
| 12:05.41 | yareckon | literally |
| 12:05.49 | yareckon | thanks themill |
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| 12:17.08 | K0JIbKA | jelly: i've changed /etc/hosts.allow - what next? |
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| 12:20.44 | Bushmills | K0JIbKA: backup your system |
| 12:21.05 | dimir | :-D |
| 12:21.24 | Bushmills | never hurts having a recent backup :) |
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| 12:21.55 | dimir | also suggests some praying |
| 12:22.09 | Bushmills | puts more faith into a backup |
| 12:22.54 | K0JIbKA | there's nothing to worry about - LAN is still not visible... |
| 12:23.06 | Bushmills | was praying successful, most hard disk recovery services would be associated with religious organisations |
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| 12:24.51 | Bushmills | K0JIbKA: you think that backups are only necessary when a computer is connected to a network? |
| 12:24.59 | Bushmills | interesting notion |
| 12:25.21 | yareckon | thanks themill, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 12:30.52 | Vogon | so im using 3ware controller, raid5, added another disc for raid6, its now migrating, but its migrating on 0% for 2-3 hours now, is that normal? |
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| 12:32.38 | abrotman | how large? |
| 12:32.50 | Vogon | uhmm |
| 12:33.06 | Vogon | its now 5x1.5tb |
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| 12:46.17 | baba-b00ie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:46.52 | crosvera | hello people |
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| 12:50.56 | cH40z-Lord | can anyone provide me a manual or a tutorial on how to create a custom bash command :) ? |
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| 12:52.40 | yareckon | cH40z-Lord, you write a program to do what you want, then you make it executable? |
| 12:52.57 | yareckon | then you can call it from bash? |
| 12:53.11 | cH40z-Lord | I don't want to use ./bla.sh etc |
| 12:53.16 | yareckon | otherwise, look into aliases, which might be what you are getting at |
| 12:53.21 | cH40z-Lord | I just want "server start|stop|restart" :D just a small script |
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| 12:53.34 | yareckon | cH40z-Lord, you need to set your path then |
| 12:53.47 | yareckon | to include the directory where your program lives |
| 12:54.02 | yareckon | then you can call it anywhere with just the name of the executable |
| 12:54.17 | cH40z-Lord | that's what I want :) |
| 12:54.31 | yareckon | then look up how to set your PATH variable |
| 12:54.31 | cH40z-Lord | so, do you have any tutorial/manual for me where I can read up everything ? |
| 12:54.34 | cH40z-Lord | alright |
| 12:54.39 | yareckon | google can help |
| 12:54.58 | yareckon | it's in a login script in your user account |
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| 12:56.28 | cH40z-Lord | thank you yareckon :) |
| 12:56.47 | yareckon | have fun! |
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| 13:06.02 | Digdilem | lsof is a start |
| 13:06.59 | Digdilem | filter with grep processid, eg: lsof |grep 2600 |
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| 13:24.16 | ktlr | Could somebody help me in private ? I have got a little problem, the php-apc doesn't work on debian lenny. It can't finds the functions of apc |
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| 13:26.04 | ktlr | But their apc.php file is working correctly, and phpinfo() writes, it has been installed |
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| 13:27.11 | ktlr | But the php scripts are working correctly on my computer where the distrubution is arch linux |
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| 13:29.22 | rkhshm | i recently noticed that during the dpkg-buildpackages debian/<pkg-name> and debian/tmp dirs are being created. |
| 13:29.34 | rkhshm | due to this the .deb is screwed up big time.. |
| 13:29.39 | rkhshm | any idea why its happening. |
| 13:29.56 | themill | rkhshm: it's supposed to happen and that should not screw up the package creation at all |
| 13:30.28 | rkhshm | well it has.. becuase i have written a new script and added to my rules file which will put everything to debian/tmp |
| 13:30.40 | rkhshm | now because of the split its creating havoc |
| 13:30.54 | rkhshm | and i remember very well that it did not happen earlier. |
| 13:31.12 | themill | rkhshm: perhaps you can explain what it is you're actually doing |
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| 13:32.31 | themill | rkhshm: have you also changed debhelper compat level? or split the package in two? |
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| 13:32.46 | rkhshm | the compat level is commented out |
| 13:32.54 | themill | ummm no such thing |
| 13:33.05 | rkhshm | what are these compat levels anyway.. I'm new to debian. |
| 13:33.13 | rkhshm | where can i find info on this. |
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| 13:33.30 | themill | rkhshm: "man debhelper" it controls how this particular tool behaves |
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| 13:36.01 | rkhshm | themill: im sorry.. i dont have compat level defined.. |
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| 13:36.13 | rkhshm | i confused it with DH_VERBOSE |
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| 13:36.39 | themill | rkhshm: it's defined in the file debian/compat (but if you didn't know that, then you probably didn't change it) |
| 13:36.55 | rkhshm | yeah i didnt change it |
| 13:37.15 | rkhshm | there you go.. |
| 13:37.18 | rkhshm | i got it. |
| 13:37.18 | themill | well *something* must have changed |
| 13:37.40 | rkhshm | themill: yes.. the problem is the presence of debian/compat file. |
| 13:37.48 | rkhshm | its adding the debain/<pkg-name> dir |
| 13:37.59 | rkhshm | i removed it and it works fine. |
| 13:38.01 | themill | umm... no... that's required |
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| 13:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the mouse pointer? |
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| 13:46.25 | Dr_Radio | Yes. |
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| 13:47.36 | diago | morning |
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| 13:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | just install a different mouse theme with bigger icons, I guess... try apt-cache mouse theme and pick |
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| 13:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | this might be within scope of one of the accessability thingys, too... might be worth to check |
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| 13:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "assistive technologies" that's called in gnome, it seems... but doesn't provide such an option |
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| 13:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | chameleon-cursor-theme: 3 different sizes (small, regular and large) |
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| 14:01.55 | prince_jammys | not sure if this is off-topic, but if i want to install Windows to dual boot a system that already has debian, could i repartition my /home partition (the largest partition i have), and put windows on that? |
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| 14:02.11 | diago | how do you go about creating identical partitions for mdadm? I have a very large disk as a spare and need a portion of it for md2. |
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| 14:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | just make it the same size? |
| 14:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read "as a sphere", there |
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| 14:05.05 | dkr | prince_jammys: yes |
| 14:05.17 | prince_jammys | cool |
| 14:06.20 | prince_jammys | i'd then have to mess with grub afterwards, right? |
| 14:06.23 | dkr | prince_jammys: you might want to have a debian install disk handy to boot with after the win install to re-install grub to the mbr since windows install will overwrite it |
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| 14:07.10 | prince_jammys | i have a netinstall debian cd, and a very old ubuntu live cd |
| 14:07.18 | prince_jammys | well, both are old |
| 14:07.37 | dkr | shouldn't matter, as long as it can boot your hardware. :) |
| 14:07.57 | prince_jammys | dkr: should i be concerned about grub vs grub2 ? |
| 14:08.29 | dkr | hrm, I'm not sure |
| 14:08.39 | prince_jammys | if someone knows a bot trigger about this, i'd appreciate |
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| 14:09.10 | dkr | there are dual-boot howto's at tldp.org but out of date, I think |
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| 14:10.01 | dkr | !fixmbr |
| 14:10.01 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 14:10.04 | prince_jammys | i see plenty of ubuntu-oriented tutorials, but these all say to resize the root partition, which i don't want to do |
| 14:10.31 | prince_jammys | cool |
| 14:10.33 | dkr | that is the best, since you are chrooting, youare using the grub version on the system itself |
| 14:10.50 | prince_jammys | right |
| 14:11.56 | dkr | might be easier to choose the "rescue" option of debian netinstall disk, btw. does many of those steps for you up to the chroot |
| 14:12.54 | prince_jammys | i'll check it out. the main thing i was concerned with was whether it's OK to put windows on a partition that isn't the first |
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| 14:13.25 | dkr | yeah, windows installer lets you choose. it's not *that* braindead. heh |
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| 14:13.42 | prince_jammys | cool, thanks |
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| 14:18.13 | ktlr | Could somebody help me in private ? I have got a little problem, the php-apc doesn't work on debian lenny. It can't finds the functions of apc. But its apc.php file is working correctly, and phpinfo() writes that it is installed The php scripts are working correctly on my computer, but i am using arch linux |
| 14:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think anyone will enjoy more to be yelled at in private, mate |
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| 14:26.38 | ktlr | CutMeOwnThroat, okay , then ... tell me what is the wrong on this configuration : http://www.dev.infovip.hu/servinfo.php http://www.dev.infovip.hu/ http://www.infovip.hu/01apcgui/apc.php |
| 14:26.48 | ktlr | *on/with |
| 14:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like it's working |
| 14:30.04 | ktlr | indeed ? |
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| 14:30.24 | ktlr | so then what's this message ? : Fatal error: Call to undefined function apc_exists() in /home/www/dev.infovip.hu/www/function/almenus.php on line 6 |
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| 14:32.42 | Thisisaname | Hi, i'm having issues with ssh. " error: subsystem: cannot stat /usr/libexec/sftp-server: No such file or directory" then i searched for sftp-server , and it was found in /use/lib/openssh/sftp-server, i changed the path in sshd_config and restarted, but no joy. Using Deb lenny |
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| 14:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktlr, http://tinyurl.com/2usbu8w also, dpkg -l php-apc |
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| 14:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php-apc |
| 14:34.52 | judd | Package php-apc on i386 -- etch-backports: 3.0.19-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.0.19-2; sid: 3.1.3p1-2; squeeze: 3.1.3p1-2 |
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| 14:35.21 | vtts | Thisisaname, check your sshd config |
| 14:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing this guy knows what he''s talking about, even the version in sid doesn't have that command |
| 14:36.06 | vtts | Thisisaname, maybe it's syntax is incorrect |
| 14:36.18 | Thisisaname | vtts, i'll recheck |
| 14:36.46 | eviltoaster | Any good L7 firewall where we can group nodes so thay get easy configuration. |
| 14:36.49 | Thisisaname | # override default of no subsystems |
| 14:36.50 | Thisisaname | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 14:36.59 | Thisisaname | seems ok to me |
| 14:37.00 | vtts | it is strange you had /usr/libexec/... in the first place |
| 14:37.28 | Thisisaname | It was working like a week ago fine, then i logged in last night, and errors |
| 14:37.40 | vtts | is it realy the one your sshd uses? |
| 14:37.52 | yareckon | re: debian apc is not new enough to support that rfunction ktlr |
| 14:38.13 | Thisisaname | vtts, sorry, didn't get you last question |
| 14:38.53 | vtts | vtts, maybe someone replaced your sshd |
| 14:38.58 | yareckon | Thisisaname, you may have been hacked if someone is setting your ssh binary to point somewhere else |
| 14:39.00 | vtts | and it uses a different config file |
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| 14:39.11 | yareckon | which means your password is ..... |
| 14:39.16 | ktlr | yareckon, i don't know that how it is working on debian, but i know that , i installed with pacman (pacman -S php-apc) on arch linux, then added the extension to php.ini of apace and everythings were working correctly.... |
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| 14:39.58 | Thisisaname | Root login was not allowed, and i checked log for ips. nothing stood out. |
| 14:40.02 | yareckon | ktlr, sounds like you are writing bleeding edge code... lots of those apc_ functions are not even documented on php.net |
| 14:40.10 | ktlr | yareckon, is there an official (or backports) version ? |
| 14:40.12 | yareckon | because they were added so recently |
| 14:40.14 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:40.16 | yareckon | I don't know |
| 14:40.21 | Thisisaname | it could be webmin screwing up which i installed and now regret. |
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| 14:40.38 | yareckon | Thisisaname, that could be it too |
| 14:40.40 | Thisisaname | i've even reinstall openssh-server no joy. |
| 14:40.49 | yareckon | or someone is using webmin to hack you :) |
| 14:41.08 | yareckon | is this a local box? |
| 14:41.14 | Thisisaname | web server |
| 14:41.17 | vtts | Thisisaname, go to /proc/<pid of sshd>/ and chech where "exe" points to |
| 14:41.34 | ktlr | yareckon, i think that , it was documented on php.net http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.apc-exists.php |
| 14:41.43 | vtts | check t.y. |
| 14:42.37 | yareckon | ktlr, I was talking about http://de.php.net/manual/en/function.apc-cas.php |
| 14:42.38 | ktlr | yareckon, i am using only 4 functions of apc, 1. apc_exists , apc_store , apc_fetch and apc_delete , each function are documented on php.net |
| 14:43.17 | yareckon | but alas, you are writing to function calls so new that no common server OS is going to support them for some time |
| 14:43.42 | yareckon | you could compile apc yourself. |
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| 14:44.08 | yareckon | there are lots of guides for that |
| 14:44.29 | Thisisaname | vtts, /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 14:44.39 | yareckon | or look up the debian maintainer and see if they see any reason to release a new version in unstable that is new enough to have those functions |
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| 14:45.24 | vtts | Thisisaname, strings /usr/sbin/sshd | grep sshd_config |
| 14:45.26 | ktlr | yareckon, I thought that this will be the only solution, because of the debian is using those packages which arch linux used for 3 years.... |
| 14:45.35 | yareckon | if you want to spread your software beyond your server though, it's gonna be a while before redhat / debian etc... support those calls |
| 14:45.53 | Thisisaname | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:45.58 | yareckon | at least in stable |
| 14:46.17 | vtts | Thisisaname, then it should use config options you specified |
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| 14:46.52 | yareckon | most people just use apc as a no configuration accelerator, don't mess around with the cache themselves |
| 14:47.03 | Thisisaname | Hmm... |
| 14:47.12 | yareckon | that is why folks still ship stable versions |
| 14:48.04 | reber | hi all. don't have my eth0 iface that gets it's dhcp ip anymore ? Is it a bug of squeeze or is it me (i didn't changed anything to iface setup) ? |
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| 14:48.48 | cryptr | reber: does /etc/network/interfaces have "auto eth0" |
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| 14:49.05 | Thisisaname | vtts, whereis sftp-server , it gives another loc /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 14:49.06 | vtts | Thisisaname, strace -fe trace=open /usr/sbin/sshd 2>&1 | grep sshd_config |
| 14:49.31 | vtts | you might need to install strace |
| 14:49.32 | Thisisaname | vtts, no results for the command |
| 14:49.56 | Thisisaname | vtts, Open("/etc/ssh/sshd_config", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
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| 14:50.17 | reber | cryptr, course, as usual |
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| 14:50.39 | cryptr | reber: and you have dhcp3-client or dhcpcd installed? |
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| 14:50.51 | reber | cryptr, the iface mounts correctly when dhclient eth0 |
| 14:50.55 | cryptr | or pump :) |
| 14:50.56 | dob1 | hi, when use mount.smbfs i give the mount path like //pcname/sharename but on pcname i have to put the real pc name, not the share pc name, that is different, why? |
| 14:50.57 | cryptr | oki |
| 14:51.03 | cryptr | reber: ifup eth0 then? |
| 14:51.03 | vtts | Thisisaname, pastebin the following: dpkg -S sftp-server |
| 14:51.30 | cryptr | reber: try ifconfig eth0 down, then ifup eth0 |
| 14:51.41 | Thisisaname | vtts, http://pastebin.com/96hDgZir |
| 14:52.21 | reber | cryptr, yes i think thats the point. eth0 doesn't seems to go up at boot, that's the problem. How to release a dhcp lease and try that ? |
| 14:52.47 | cryptr | dhclient -r eth0 ? |
| 14:53.48 | cryptr | do dhclient -r eth0 && ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0/0 && ifup eth0 |
| 14:54.07 | vtts | Thisisaname, check if those files are available |
| 14:54.27 | reber | cryptr, thanks actually i found the problem : it was weird chars at the begining of the file that makes interface file unreadable. Thanks cryptr :) |
| 14:54.35 | reber | all is fine |
| 14:54.56 | cryptr | np |
| 14:54.59 | cryptr | glad to help |
| 14:55.09 | Thisisaname | vtts, yes they're all there. |
| 14:55.12 | cryptr | ifup ifdown are good utils to test with |
| 14:55.18 | vtts | Thisisaname, try checking the system with the "rkhunter" just in case |
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| 14:55.20 | cryptr | since you mostly do not see the errors at startup |
| 14:55.29 | reber | yap actually |
| 14:55.52 | Thisisaname | vtts, ok |
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| 14:57.28 | Thisisaname | vtts, /usr/sbin/unhide & /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 , everything else is green |
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| 14:58.11 | vtts | Thisisaname, dpkg -S unhide |
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| 14:59.16 | Thisisaname | vtts, just a min, rkh isn't complete it prmoted for enter i missed it , running again |
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| 15:00.03 | Thisisaname | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.03 | Thisisaname | , And root login permitted that i allowed for this session. |
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| 15:00.44 | Thisisaname | vtts, http://pastebin.com/EYNk0cP6 |
| 15:02.00 | vtts | Thisisaname, capital S |
| 15:02.13 | Thisisaname | oh |
| 15:02.45 | Thisisaname | vtts, http://pastebin.com/ar99dVhZ |
| 15:03.44 | vtts | Thisisaname, did you install it? |
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| 15:04.08 | Thisisaname | not myself, might have installed with something esle |
| 15:04.24 | Thisisaname | it came with rkhunter |
| 15:04.39 | Thisisaname | i just checked the programs installed. |
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| 15:18.17 | zxd | is it possible to configure a process to be shutdown last when doing poweroff |
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| 15:19.44 | cryptr | zxd: yes |
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| 15:20.27 | vtts | zxd, checkout run level 0 scripts |
| 15:20.29 | cryptr | zxd: there are several ways to change both startup and shutdown sequence |
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| 15:22.10 | zxd | cryptr: i saw something like for omitfile in /var/run/sendsigs.omit /lib/init/rw/sendsigs.omit; do |
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| 15:22.24 | zxd | looks dirty to manually put pid files in these files |
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| 15:26.31 | zxd | what script is responsible for creating /lib/init/rw |
| 15:26.34 | zxd | mount point |
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| 15:29.54 | vtts | zxd, mountkernfs.sh |
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| 15:32.23 | wobster | Hi everyone. Is it possible to install just the glibc from testing? I'm looking for a way to upgrade to at least version 2.9. |
| 15:32.52 | wobster | Stable currently seems to be 2.7-something |
| 15:33.14 | vtts | wobster, most of the programs depend on glibc, there might be some conflicts |
| 15:34.09 | wobster | OK. My primary concern is stability so I guess I'll leave it as it is. |
| 15:35.12 | abrotman | wobster: it will not go well |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | wobster: all the binaries on your machine are looking for libc6 from stable .. you can't just replace that and expect zero glitches |
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| 15:36.46 | wobster | Well, it is not my single machine :) ... a user asked for be64toh (endian conversion) functions that are available since 2.9. So, I'm looking for a safe way to at least serve him half-way. |
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| 15:42.56 | abrotman | wobster: chroot or vm |
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| 15:44.16 | asteriskmonkey | when piping stuff to mail the outgoing gets sett to username@localhost .... what file do i need to edit to change the localhost bit? |
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| 15:49.15 | Pinchiukas | Can I somehow install debian from another distros livecd? |
| 15:49.49 | jelly | Pinchiukas: using debootstrap and some manual work, sure. |
| 15:49.58 | Pinchiukas | Manual work? :) |
| 15:50.29 | jelly | Pinchiukas: partitioning, mkfs-ing, kernel and boot loader setup |
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| 15:51.31 | themill | setting up the root passwd |
| 15:51.42 | hlozada | off-topic: how to learn to program rpg on as400 ibm? |
| 15:51.54 | Pinchiukas | jelly: oh... maybe there is a howto about that? |
| 15:52.24 | stew | Pinchiukas: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 15:52.48 | Pinchiukas | Ok, cool. |
| 15:52.51 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. |
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| 15:57.08 | oskar- | hi, what software/solution do you suggest for "user provisioning" in linux, especially debian? |
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| 15:57.39 | zealiod | how can i loop round all the interfaces in /sys/class/net and take them all down |
| 15:57.47 | zealiod | i got as far as this, but cant get it working |
| 15:57.47 | zealiod | str=$(ls -1 /sys/class/net | grep eth1.) |
| 15:57.48 | zealiod | while read str; do |
| 15:57.48 | zealiod | #something to do here... |
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| 15:58.22 | Cooleq | HI, how can i make a shortcut to file on other mashine, My sys is debian and other too. But it is shared by samba with password. i want to create link like "ln -l smb://IPADDR/SHARE/FILE LINK" but i dont know how can i create a link with login and passwod |
| 15:58.29 | zealiod | sorry - my bad |
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| 15:59.15 | hopecon | zealiod, use ifdown in your #something block |
| 15:59.30 | petemc | would ifdown -a not be sufficient? |
| 15:59.31 | zealiod | hopecon: sure ting, i will - but i cant get the loop working |
| 15:59.36 | jelly | Cooleq: you can't! Not without setting up complex machinery behind. |
| 15:59.53 | petemc | zealiod: are the interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:59.54 | jelly | like autofs to mount remote samba shares on access |
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| 16:00.07 | zealiod | petemc: nope |
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| 16:01.31 | Cooleq | maybe can i create shortcut where user must write login and password after double click? |
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| 16:10.33 | jhutchins2 | Cooleq: Try googling "user name and password in URL" |
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| 16:11.07 | zealiod | when using vconfig, where are the files kept when you create a vlan? |
| 16:11.24 | zealiod | for example, there are not in /sys/class/net/ |
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| 16:11.37 | vtts | zealiod, no configs |
| 16:12.03 | zealiod | vtts: how can i loop existing entries - no option on vconfig |
| 16:12.25 | vtts | you could use /etc/network/interfaces to define vlan interfaces |
| 16:13.08 | jhutchins2 | for $foo in ls /sys/class/net/*; do ifdown foo;done |
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| 16:13.28 | themill | wonders what the "ls" is doing there |
| 16:13.43 | jhutchins2 | themill: sloppy. |
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| 16:17.54 | savask | How can I change owner and group of a directory by postinst script? Usual "chown "$USER":"$USER" -R ~/.blah/" don't work there. |
| 16:20.07 | zealiod | jhutchins: worked, ta |
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| 16:21.08 | themill | savask: postinst scripts shouldn't be playing about in ~/. You've probably got the wrong user context in postinst anyway for ~ (it will be /root which is not what you want). Additionally, you should use dpkg-statoverride. |
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| 16:23.19 | savask | themill: But "mkdir ~/.blah/" in postinst makes directory in mine home, not root. And thanks for the answer. |
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| 16:34.07 | lingKhaang_ion | hi, after choosing gui-install with debian-live the usb-keyboard isn't working anymore, do you know a bootcheat or something else? |
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| 16:42.31 | lolufail | hi! |
| 16:42.38 | hopecon | sup |
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| 16:43.44 | lolufail | I have a XFS that returns "no space left on device" even though df -h returns 1,5T free. I already tried inode64! anything else? |
| 16:43.57 | lolufail | used: 15T |
| 16:44.28 | lwolf | hi, i'm having trooble with a debian squeeze box and Xen : the dom0 seems to crash at some point. I've no clue on the crash. Is there know xen crash problems in squeeze ? |
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| 16:46.59 | lingKhaang_ion | hi, after choosing gui-install with debian-live the usb-keyboard isn't working anymore, do you know a bootcheat or something else? |
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| 16:48.11 | pizzahead | is there an easy way to switch my sysetm from amd64 to non amd64? I realized after setting this box up that I had used an amd64 cd. |
| 16:48.29 | lolufail | pizzahead: no. why would you want that? |
| 16:48.53 | pizzahead | because it's an intel processor |
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| 16:49.01 | lolufail | pizzahead: -.- |
| 16:49.06 | hopecon | doesn't matter, pizzahead |
| 16:49.10 | lolufail | pizzahead: !amd64 |
| 16:49.14 | lolufail | !amd64 |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 16:49.46 | pizzahead | core2duo machines are amd64...? |
| 16:49.50 | pizzahead | slaps himself |
| 16:49.51 | hopecon | yes. |
| 16:49.56 | lolufail | cmon google it. |
| 16:50.53 | pizzahead | lolufail: are you comlpaining because I came in here to ask that question? |
| 16:51.34 | lolufail | pizzahead: my apologies. |
| 16:51.51 | lolufail | that was rude |
| 16:52.11 | pizzahead | thanks for the info, it's cool |
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| 16:52.31 | pizzahead | It's not like anything went bad, I'm on the machine :) |
| 16:52.37 | pizzahead | and now I understand why |
| 16:52.54 | diago | lolufail: did you change your partition and not grow the fs? |
| 16:53.23 | lolufail | diago: no, I grew the FS as well, or df would show 0% free |
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| 16:53.50 | diago | so you did mod the partition |
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| 16:54.46 | lolufail | diago: yes, I grew the underlying raid5, and did a xfs_growfs without parameters on the blockdevice |
| 16:54.47 | lolufail | like always |
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| 16:55.15 | frol | !help |
| 16:55.22 | frol | !help |
| 16:55.40 | themill | frol: can we help... asking people is better than hoping the bot has ESP |
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| 16:58.07 | frol | themill: hum sorry wrong window :s |
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| 17:01.21 | lolufail | would I have had to mount it with inode64 from the beginning? |
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| 17:06.10 | zxd | any ideas for relaxing after work |
| 17:06.31 | blip2 | pub, gaming |
| 17:06.57 | FalTam | jerking off? |
| 17:07.05 | FalTam | i usually drink a beer and IRC |
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| 17:09.09 | themill | #defocus would be a better place to ask |
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| 17:14.27 | zealiod_ | where is python on debian? |
| 17:14.31 | zealiod_ | should be in /sbin right |
| 17:14.46 | llutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.04 | FalTam | which python |
| 17:15.18 | Phil-Work | zealiod_, whereis python |
| 17:15.35 | FalTam | faltam@chaos:~$ which python |
| 17:15.52 | FalTam | /usr/bin/python |
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| 17:26.15 | kikpoktu | Hi, I installed Chromium, but adobe plugin does not work, sine it's not listed, any idea how to fix it? it's possible? thx |
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| 17:26.58 | thewanderer1 | kikpoktu: how did you install it? |
| 17:27.23 | kikpoktu | aptitude |
| 17:27.37 | thewanderer1 | both chromium-browser and flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 17:27.50 | kikpoktu | flash works, is pdf that does not |
| 17:27.58 | thewanderer1 | aww |
| 17:28.05 | thewanderer1 | is it supposed to? |
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| 17:28.24 | kikpoktu | embed pdf using chromium |
| 17:28.29 | thewanderer1 | if I may give you an advice, use a native application rather than this closed-source blob |
| 17:28.50 | thewanderer1 | in KDE Okular and in GNOME it was called sth like Evince I think |
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| 17:29.05 | kikpoktu | yes, but using browser is easier for me. |
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| 17:29.33 | thewanderer1 | alright, how do you know that it should be possible to embed this in Chromium? |
| 17:29.33 | qwd | kikpoktu: apparently it isn't :) |
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| 17:29.42 | kikpoktu | qwd: :) |
| 17:29.50 | thewanderer1 | (oh btw, we all love DRM don't we...) |
| 17:29.56 | kikpoktu | no one uses adobe plugin? |
| 17:30.03 | thewanderer1 | sorry, we all love freedom |
| 17:30.12 | zxd | freeedom |
| 17:30.15 | jhutchins2 | kpdf and xpdf in lenny kde |
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| 17:31.22 | kikpoktu | and, using chrome is a good idea or is better firefix? |
| 17:31.27 | kikpoktu | what do you think? |
| 17:31.44 | thewanderer1 | Chromium is *WAAAAY* faster for me, I could use it on 256MB RAM, PIII 933MHz... |
| 17:32.03 | thewanderer1 | I'd say if you need a very particular plugin, use IceWeasel, otherwise Chromium should be fine |
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| 17:32.25 | babilen | kikpoktu: Check https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/nnbmlagghjjcbdhgmkedmbmedengocbn |
| 17:32.30 | qwd | I don't have anything against Chromium but the extensions make Firefox hard to beat |
| 17:32.41 | kikpoktu | ah ok, using oficial google-chrome for debian is stupid too? well, it's crhomium free + non-free plugins :( |
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| 17:33.14 | thewanderer1 | well, chrome is known to have had some privacy issues |
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| 17:34.05 | kikpoktu | babilen: that extension looks amazing!, thank you |
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| 17:34.13 | Vardan | hi all |
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| 17:34.24 | Vardan | people how to undelete /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 file? |
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| 17:35.09 | babilen | kikpoktu: You are welcome. |
| 17:35.39 | jhutchins2 | You don't suppose google would have information on interpreting PDFs in chrome? |
| 17:35.43 | kikpoktu | well, with that extension I don't need adobe pdf plugin anymore. |
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| 17:41.00 | jhutchins2 | How can you tell if a particlar patch (ca June 09) is included in a debian kernel? |
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| 17:42.27 | [Rich] | Hi folks |
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| 17:44.05 | [Rich] | wtf |
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| 17:45.14 | loplyg | test. |
| 17:45.24 | jhutchins2 | loplyg: fail |
| 17:45.34 | loplyg | God damn silly OSX IRC clients. |
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| 17:45.53 | dadrian | hello, i have a box with a debian install with a 250 GB hdd and a new fresh 250GB hdd, what is the easiest / safest way to copy all dat from old hdd to new hdd and just be able to swap them and be back online |
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| 17:46.47 | cahoot | jhutchins: grep the .config? |
| 17:47.03 | jhutchins2 | cahoot: Does that show patches? |
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| 17:47.28 | cahoot | jhutchins: shows possible modules like hid_apple |
| 17:47.59 | jhutchins2 | cahoot: The issue appears to be a patch on that module. |
| 17:48.06 | loplyg | wtf |
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| 17:48.08 | jhutchins2 | cahoot: It's in .34 vanilla. |
| 17:48.13 | stew | dadrian: boot a live cd. determine FOR SURE which one is which. then "cp /dev/source /dev/target" where source and target are the dev names of the drives, such as /dev/hda or /dev/sdc or something. just make sure you know which is which |
| 17:48.32 | themill | loplyg: perhaps you wanted #test for your client testing |
| 17:48.32 | loplyg | this is just infuriating. I'm actually tempted to SSH into a linux box and then install a normal fucking IRC client. |
| 17:48.46 | jhutchins2 | stew: Doesn't cp default to non-recursive? |
| 17:48.48 | loplyg | Yeah sorry I'm not deliberately testing. |
| 17:48.50 | blueyed | jhutchins2: you should get the source for the kernel in question (from Debian) and look at it from there. |
| 17:48.54 | stew | jhutchins2: its only a single file |
| 17:48.58 | blueyed | Vardan: do you have a backup? if not you might be screwed. |
| 17:49.00 | stew | jhutchins2: but yes |
| 17:49.21 | Vardan | blueyed: no I don't have |
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| 17:49.41 | jhutchins2 | blueyed: Yes, looking for a shortcut, but that would be definitive. |
| 17:50.00 | dadrian | stew: will that copy permisions and every detail of the former hdd ? |
| 17:50.05 | themill | loplyg: ircing as root is always a good plan B. Now try plan C. |
| 17:50.13 | stew | dadrian: yes, it will make one a bit by bit copy of the other |
| 17:50.22 | blueyed | jhutchins2: maybe search the kernel's source ad Debian's git from the web interface? |
| 17:50.32 | stew | dadrian: the target needs to be the same size or larger than the original obviously |
| 17:51.07 | dadrian | stew: they are 2 seagates with same model name... hope it's ok |
| 17:51.44 | dadrian | stew: ty for the tip gonna reboot and do it |
| 17:51.50 | stew | dadrian: its ok. just make sure you know which is which before you do this non-reversable operation |
| 17:51.53 | jhutchins2 | stew: I see, you're copying a dev to a dev, so it treats the FS as a file. |
| 17:52.24 | jhutchins2 | stew: Is there an advantage to doing this rather than dd? |
| 17:52.24 | dadrian | stew: oh one last thing, do i have to do any mbr rewrting or something ? |
| 17:52.39 | stew | dadrian: this is the entire disk, so it will include the mbr |
| 17:52.59 | stew | jhutchins2: unless you are going to specify a more optimal block size to dd, this will be faster |
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| 17:53.37 | stew | jhutchins2: they do the same thing, cp being easier to remember and understand, and having more sane defaults for block size |
| 17:53.51 | thewanderer1 | guys, what would an ACPI error followed by a kernel crash on a live CD boot mean? |
| 17:53.56 | thewanderer1 | (Squeeze) |
| 17:54.20 | jhutchins2 | thewanderer1: bad CD, incompatible BIOS ACPI. |
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| 17:54.37 | thewanderer1 | I thought ACPI was a standard... silly me |
| 17:55.15 | dadrian | stew: and on elast thing... what if first hdd has any read oerror or bad sector or whatever, will it stop the operation or pass it ? |
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| 17:56.00 | KoC | hi here guys |
| 17:56.09 | loplyg | I have a Debian Lenny server which runs Apache+SSL/PHP and our bank has required us to run an automated security scan of the server. The scan came back with complaints that OpenSSL, PHP and Apache all had critical vulnerabilities, though they are up to date using security.debian.org... is this a common problem? I gather these automated scans are the in-thing in card processing nowadays |
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| 17:58.10 | thewanderer1 | loplyg: Debian backports patches to STABLE releases of software - all scans run against Debian Stable and not designed fot Debian Stable are *useless* |
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| 17:58.32 | Shinji-kun | .falfjljadsFJLjfA:L |
| 17:58.33 | thewanderer1 | so PHP5.2 means "PHP5.2 with ALL security fixes currently available" |
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| 17:58.42 | loplyg | thewander1: That's kinda what I thought, I didn't think the bank would understand though, so was wondering if anybody else has faced this problem and knows the normal procedure |
| 17:58.56 | keith4 | loplyg: turn off the verbose server info string ;-) |
| 17:59.12 | thewanderer1 | excuse me, but why would a bank require you to run a "security scan"? O.o |
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| 17:59.39 | themill | thewanderer1: if you apply for card processing they do this |
| 17:59.43 | stew | loplyg: this is a common problem. my tactic is generally to try to limit their ability to find these infos because it is easier than trying to get them to accept that CVEs get patched |
| 17:59.57 | loplyg | thewanderer1: Some banks have signed up with a third party security auditing company, and they require you to pay that company a wad of cash to get a "certificate" in order to be allowed to do card transactions from your site |
| 17:59.57 | thewanderer1 | or ask them to provide a real security scan |
| 17:59.58 | stew | thewanderer1: becuase you want them to process credit card transactions |
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| 18:00.27 | thewanderer1 | if it's a serious company they will have to come up with a serious scanner software |
| 18:00.49 | themill | loplyg: they're possibly only looking at the server signature... you can customise that. |
| 18:00.59 | stew | loplyg: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#servertokens is a start |
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| 18:01.10 | thewanderer1 | (recompiling Apache to alter the version string would not be too hard, either) |
| 18:01.15 | bzrk | thewanderer1: its pretty common that when you do business with banks you have to fulfill alot of audit criteria |
| 18:01.19 | loplyg | To be honest I was kind of thinking about just turning off SSH and Apache then telling them to rescan it |
| 18:01.28 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 18:01.30 | loplyg | I might just put netcat -l 80 before I do it... |
| 18:01.37 | loplyg | -lp, whatever |
| 18:01.43 | thewanderer1 | you can migrate to lighttpd as well |
| 18:01.51 | thewanderer1 | (if that helps) |
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| 18:02.05 | bzrk | loplyg: did they criticize apache itself or your php code? |
| 18:02.06 | stew | i would sooner just reconfigure apache to not give out version info than replace it, sinced there is no other problem |
| 18:02.14 | loplyg | bzrk: Apache |
| 18:02.24 | bzrk | loplyg: what version do you run? current lenny? |
| 18:02.27 | stew | i've had to, in the past, recompile openssl just to change the version info to pass these tests however |
| 18:02.44 | loplyg | Chunked encoding vulnerability apparently, I'm running 2.2.9, up to date on Lenny |
| 18:02.46 | thewanderer1 | frowns upon the competence of "auditing companies" |
| 18:02.49 | stew | because i've had companies like macafee tell me the only way to get certified was to be running the very latest upstream release of openssl |
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| 18:03.17 | thewanderer1 | I'd trust Debian more than upstream when it comes to security :P |
| 18:03.27 | bzrk | loplyg: sounds like bullshit oO if they really had a serious apache vuln id be very interested for them to show me in your case |
| 18:03.47 | bzrk | would earn you alot of money |
| 18:03.51 | thewanderer1 | one wonders why audit companies don't just run exploits at you and certify if you end up intact |
| 18:03.52 | stew | bzrk: they don't listen to reason |
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| 18:04.00 | stew | thewanderer1: because that is illecgal |
| 18:04.03 | stew | illegal* |
| 18:04.04 | bzrk | stew: i know, ive dealt with banks before ^^ |
| 18:04.08 | thewanderer1 | no, it's legal if you allow that :) |
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| 18:04.27 | thewanderer1 | just white hat pen testing |
| 18:04.39 | tatsh | i'm trying to add virtualbox and i have it installed and it runs but the driver refuses to |
| 18:04.52 | loplyg | Apache was only part of it, it also specifically named a PHP vulnerability, which doesn't really make sense as it refers to file uploading |
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| 18:04.55 | loplyg | which nobody can do on my site |
| 18:04.58 | tatsh | this is the error |
| 18:04.59 | tatsh | [41020.250972] supdrvGipCreate: failed to allocate the GIP page. rc=-8 |
| 18:05.08 | stew | loplyg: just make apache report nothing more than "Apache" |
| 18:05.29 | tatsh | Linux tatsh 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Oct 30 22:47:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:05.29 | thewanderer1 | tatsh: do you run a custom kernel? |
| 18:05.29 | tatsh | nope |
| 18:05.29 | tatsh | this is what came with dist-upgrade |
| 18:05.29 | loplyg | The trick is these companies are making £75 off us and the more they make it look like they're doing something useful, the better |
| 18:05.31 | tatsh | i went from lenny to squeeze |
| 18:05.47 | bzrk | loplyg: i havent seen the criteria you need to fulfill, but check if you need the apache module that they criticize, same for the php module and if not just turn them off |
| 18:06.00 | loplyg | bzrk: Yeah |
| 18:06.30 | thewanderer1 | tatsh: is this a message from dmesg? |
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| 18:08.24 | stew | i've also seemingly passed these audits by just blocking their IP addresses, amazingly |
| 18:08.43 | stew | which I did before I realized who it was, just based on their ip popping up in wierd places in my logs |
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| 18:09.29 | themill | heh |
| 18:09.33 | foetus | is sorting arrays with csv output in PHP ..the Output looks like a Flea Bag.. :) |
| 18:10.01 | thewanderer1 | good, *lively* output is the key to attracting publicity |
| 18:10.32 | foetus | :) |
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| 18:14.52 | Shinji-kun | @ |
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| 18:16.06 | foetus | btw, what's the plan for the next lenny update? |
| 18:16.16 | stew | foetus: weekend of the 27th 28th |
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| 18:16.30 | Cat2008 | Hi! |
| 18:16.34 | foetus | stew: ok. |
| 18:17.35 | Cat2008 | I`v got a problem with pidgin on Debian Lenny. |
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| 18:18.11 | Cat2008 | after sun VirtualBox installation, I think |
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| 18:18.38 | Cat2008 | Lost connection with server: |
| 18:18.38 | Cat2008 | Connection reset by peer |
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| 18:19.04 | Cat2008 | It is ICQ error msg. |
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| 18:19.47 | Cat2008 | i'v tried new uins and reboot. |
| 18:19.51 | Cat2008 | nothing. |
| 18:19.54 | Cat2008 | -__- |
| 18:20.05 | Cat2008 | Can you help me? |
| 18:20.13 | abrotman | Cat2008: reconnect again .. it's probably the bridge you setup during the vbox install |
| 18:20.44 | Cat2008 | i`v reconnected many times. |
| 18:21.13 | Cat2008 | And even reinstalled Pidgin. |
| 18:22.08 | jhutchins2 | Cat2008: Try a different irc client. |
| 18:22.44 | Cat2008 | -_- IRC is working properly, how you can see. |
| 18:23.00 | Cat2008 | But ICQ isn`t |
| 18:23.29 | themill | did it ever work? |
| 18:23.34 | Cat2008 | yep |
| 18:23.49 | foetus | delete ~.purple and try to reconfigure accounts, but i fear, its the vbox bridge, as abrotman said |
| 18:25.02 | Cat2008 | ÑÑв ÑÑÑе ÑÑÑ Ñ Ð²Ñ ÑÑÐµÑ Ñе, |
| 18:25.05 | Cat2008 | fail) |
| 18:25.34 | Cat2008 | And what can I do with bridge? |
| 18:25.40 | Cat2008 | Without rebooting. |
| 18:26.25 | jhutchins2 | Cat2008: Remove it? |
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| 18:26.44 | Cat2008 | no, i need VBox. |
| 18:26.50 | foetus | its vbox related.. |
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| 18:27.41 | dimir | полнÑй Ñейл |
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| 18:28.03 | Cat2008 | Хай 8) |
| 18:28.09 | jhutchins2 | Cat2008: Remove it to confirm it is the problem, figure out why, put it back. |
| 18:28.14 | jhutchins2 | Cat2008: Doesn't make sense to me. |
| 18:28.24 | Cat2008 | ok, thnx |
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| 18:30.58 | pll | Is there a way to set apt.conf settings on a per-repository level ? |
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| 18:31.46 | jhutchins2 | pll: Such as what? |
| 18:32.19 | pll | we've got a local repo where we have a collection of home-grown packages, and rebuilt packages from sid, etc. |
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| 18:32.55 | pll | I'm tyring to get puppet to install them, but they keep failing because puppet doesn't have --force-yes turned on. |
| 18:33.23 | pll | And, really, I don't want it turned on for everything, only the packages we've manually put in our repo. |
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| 18:34.14 | pll | It would be nice if I could tell apt to some how allow unauth'ed packages but only if pulling from that repo |
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| 18:35.01 | stew | pll: signing the local repository isn't an option? |
| 18:35.01 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:35.38 | pll | stew, I don't think so. Some of the packages aren't ours, so we'd have to get the source for them, rebuild them and sign them. |
| 18:35.48 | pll | It's not worth the trouble. |
| 18:36.14 | stew | pll: you just have to sign the Release file. you don't need source |
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| 18:36.55 | pll | Oh, really? |
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| 18:37.00 | stew | pll: debian signs its repositories even though they contain lots of packages not built by debian |
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| 18:37.34 | stew | pll: yes, a signed repository just means there is a detached signature of Release in Release.gpg |
| 18:37.50 | pll | stew: So, all I need to do is create a Release file and sign it ? |
| 18:37.59 | stew | yes |
| 18:38.25 | stew | (and add the key to apt-key on the client machine(s)) |
| 18:38.32 | tatsh | also, khotkeys service is running |
| 18:38.40 | tatsh | i have assigned a few apps to hotkeys and they don't work |
| 18:38.42 | tatsh | i even rebooted |
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| 18:39.27 | pll | stew: thanks, I'll try that. I assume Google can point me to the correct docs for creating a Release and Release.gpg ? :) |
| 18:39.58 | yagoo | pll, wiki debian dpkg-scanpackages |
| 18:40.09 | pll | yagoo: Ahh, right! |
| 18:40.15 | pll | smacks head. |
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| 18:40.27 | pll | I've done this before, it's been about 2 years :) |
| 18:41.14 | yagoo | pll, not easy to remember that.. but i have done locally using file:/// |
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| 18:42.01 | yagoo | ( http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository ) |
| 18:42.09 | pll | thanks yagoo |
| 18:42.45 | yagoo | it's probably not dpkg-scasnpackages exactly what u need but something similar for making the release file |
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| 18:43.18 | yagoo | and of course there's something about it somewhere in http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 18:43.25 | pll | Yeah, but now that you've reminded me what I need to, I can go back to my notes from a few years ago and figure it out :) |
| 18:43.36 | yagoo | good :) |
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| 18:43.50 | yagoo | but a few years is probably obsolete... |
| 18:44.01 | yagoo | but still pretty adoptable.. |
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| 18:46.32 | yagoo | think i found the site i was looking for.. http://www.isotton.com/software/debian/docs/repository-howto/ |
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| 18:59.32 | arenlor | How would I setup bogofilter with sendmail? |
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| 19:01.53 | meder | i downloaded a package and theres a file i have to make.. it exists in /usr/share/doc/pisg/examples/pisg.cfg. is there a debian convention of where i need to copy this file in order so it can be read by pisg? |
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| 19:05.41 | yagoo | meder, read what's in ../ of that directory |
| 19:06.13 | yagoo | (dpkg -L pisg << and look for manpages ) |
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| 19:09.56 | tatsh | is there an official way to get the branded firefox? |
| 19:10.04 | tatsh | instead of iceweasel |
| 19:10.24 | franki^ | Sure, download it from Mozilla |
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| 19:11.50 | tatsh | i know why debian has iceweasel but it's 3.5 and not 3.6 for xulrunner |
| 19:11.57 | tatsh | at least on squeeze |
| 19:12.34 | jordanm | tatsh: because 3.6 would have required a newer xulrunner which would have broke a lot of gnome stuff |
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| 19:12.46 | tatsh | well i don't use gnome :P |
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| 19:13.21 | josemdark1 | you can use a ubuntu ppa too |
| 19:13.29 | jordanm | josemdark1: don't recommend that to people |
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| 19:13.52 | arenlor | Does anyone know how to setup bogofilter with sendmail? |
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| 19:14.15 | jordanm | tatsh: I would recommend that statically compile stuff from mozilla if you really want it. just untar to /opt and symlink the binary to /usr/local/bin |
| 19:14.23 | tatsh | the binary from mozilla works fine |
| 19:14.42 | tatsh | i usually put bins in ~/usr/share then symlink in ~/usr/bin |
| 19:14.49 | mutante | why dont we have "icecat" instead of iceweasel / why does gnewsense say: "Firefox suggests non-free software, so we don't use that. Debian's Iceweasel does the same. There is a free version available, called IceCat." |
| 19:15.11 | jordanm | !icecat |
| 19:15.11 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #522196. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:15.13 | tatsh | like i just did firefox, ~/usr/lib/firefox and then symlinked in ~/usr/bin/firefox -> ~/usr/lib/firefox/firefox |
| 19:15.26 | tatsh | gentoo puts firefox in /usr/lib64 |
| 19:15.29 | tatsh | (on amd64) |
| 19:15.33 | tatsh | so i'm just emulating |
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| 19:15.51 | thewanderer1 | so what was wrong with Iceweasel, again? |
| 19:15.54 | jordanm | tatsh: you shouldn't install locally installed stuff directly to /usr |
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| 19:15.58 | jordanm | tatsh: use /usr/local |
| 19:16.03 | mutante | i think it would be nice if icecat was packaged too |
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| 19:16.15 | tatsh | it's not in /usr |
| 19:16.16 | tatsh | it's in ~/usr |
| 19:16.17 | jordanm | mutante: see the RFP, feel free to ITP it |
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| 19:16.26 | ConnorG1 | Tatsh what are you doing in #debian lol |
| 19:16.38 | tatsh | i'm using debian for the next 3 days |
| 19:16.44 | Connor_ | Why? |
| 19:16.46 | tatsh | because convenience of getting it up and running in a few hours |
| 19:16.52 | tatsh | as opposed to a day with gentoo |
| 19:17.00 | Connor_ | I suppose you're not on your laptop |
| 19:17.01 | Connor_ | ? |
| 19:17.02 | tatsh | my system is in the mail being shipped to my new apartment |
| 19:17.05 | Connor_ | Oh |
| 19:17.15 | tatsh | my flight to move is on thursday |
| 19:17.21 | tatsh | i was able to get most things exactly as before |
| 19:17.30 | jordanm | !ot |
| 19:17.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:17.30 | Connor_ | I got Debian up and running instantly last night, aside from compiling wireless drivers(I just tether my phone) |
| 19:17.40 | Connor_ | I installed Debian, installed vim, went to bed |
| 19:17.46 | tatsh | gotta get my fonts installed |
| 19:17.53 | tatsh | i'm just copying from the windows 7 on this machine :P |
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| 19:18.33 | Connor_ | Century Gothic is all I need |
| 19:18.52 | Connor_ | tatsh it seems my favorite distros are Debian based, although I do love Fedora and Slackware... |
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| 19:19.48 | tatsh | i gotta have tahoma |
| 19:19.54 | tatsh | bitstream vera sans is too ugly |
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| 19:20.16 | tatsh | also a couple of nice adobe fonts that come with photoshop :) |
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| 19:20.38 | Connor_ | Iceweasel runs horribly on my laptop... |
| 19:20.52 | tatsh | i'm now using firefox and it looks proper becuase i have lucida grande back |
| 19:21.16 | Connor_ | Installing Chromium... |
| 19:21.17 | Connor_ | hates Chrome. |
| 19:21.39 | Connor_ | Any way to get regular Firefox on Debian...? I'd like Pale Moon but that's windows... |
| 19:21.45 | tarzeau | hates firefox |
| 19:21.55 | stew | Connor_: its called iceweasel in debian |
| 19:21.57 | tarzeau | Connor_: download it from mozilla, or build it from source yourself |
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| 19:22.01 | sedulous | Connor_: you can just get the binary off the mozilla FTP |
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| 19:22.14 | tarzeau | sedulous: but only for 32 bit, unless you go for the 4.x beta |
| 19:22.20 | jordanm | we really *just* had this discussion |
| 19:22.23 | sedulous | yeah |
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| 19:22.35 | sedulous | uses 4.0 beta 7 amd64 |
| 19:22.40 | tarzeau | tatsh: futura? |
| 19:22.43 | Connor_ | stew i konw |
| 19:22.46 | Connor_ | I know* |
| 19:22.57 | tatsh | futura? |
| 19:22.58 | tarzeau | sedulous: i've tried it. i didn't notice much of the speed boost they claim, back to chromium/chrome again |
| 19:23.02 | tarzeau | tatsh: the font :) |
| 19:23.16 | stew | Connor_: why would you bother with firefox? you like the artwork? |
| 19:23.20 | arenlor | Is there a way to get bogofilter to work with sendmail? |
| 19:23.32 | tarzeau | stew: iceweasel is pretty old version of firefox |
| 19:23.36 | jordanm | arenlor: the description indicates its for MUAs, not MTAs |
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| 19:23.38 | Connor_ | stew Iceweasel is running horribly and Firefox ran fine |
| 19:23.54 | stew | Connor_: there are no changes which would affect performance |
| 19:23.57 | Connor_ | And Chromium isn't in my Openbox applications menu... |
| 19:24.00 | Connor_ | stew apparently there are... |
| 19:24.14 | stew | Connor_: really? like what? |
| 19:24.23 | Connor_ | It's running very very slowly |
| 19:24.30 | stew | Connor_: what version? |
| 19:24.40 | timido | hey there i have a question my wireless was working fine. i restart it my computer and now is not working. every time i try to connect via command it says this SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 19:24.40 | timido | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
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| 19:24.50 | Connor_ | stew I'm running Squeeze |
| 19:24.54 | Connor_ | Also pages will randomly stop loading |
| 19:25.03 | Connor_ | And just get a gray square where xchat was |
| 19:25.06 | Connor_ | Like it has now |
| 19:25.11 | timido | i see it right here [ 129.850325] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 19:25.28 | jordanm | timido: sounds like you are running network-manager, but trying to connect with iwconfig |
| 19:25.30 | Connor_ | And my phone's reception is just fine... |
| 19:25.38 | jordanm | timido: invoke-rc.d network-manager stop |
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| 19:26.41 | arenlor | jordanm: It contains examples of how to drop use it with postfix and qmail so I just assumed it'd work with sendmail somehow. Oh well. |
| 19:26.57 | Connor_ | stew any advice on getting Chromium in my application menu? |
| 19:27.02 | jordanm | arenlor: why sendmail? |
| 19:27.09 | pll | How do I add my gpg key to the apt keyring ? |
| 19:27.16 | arenlor | jordanm: Because that's what I am using. |
| 19:27.24 | jordanm | pll: user apt-key |
| 19:27.34 | timido | jordanm, the deamon is already stop |
| 19:27.43 | jordanm | arenlor: alright... why are you using sendmail? |
| 19:27.44 | pll | jordanm: do I just point apt-key at my ~/.gpg dir ? |
| 19:27.56 | Bastihase | pll |
| 19:27.59 | Bastihase | u need keys? |
| 19:28.05 | pll | I have keys. |
| 19:28.07 | arenlor | jordanm: It seemed the easiest to get working. |
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| 19:28.19 | jordanm | arenlor: IMO, that is by far the opposite |
| 19:28.21 | pll | apt-key add <file> |
| 19:28.23 | jordanm | except for maybe qmail... |
| 19:28.32 | mutante | sendmail the easiest? wow |
| 19:28.40 | arenlor | It was easier than postfix at least |
| 19:28.41 | pll | So, is <file> ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ? |
| 19:28.49 | timido | damn can someone help me with my wireless error please? |
| 19:28.54 | Bastihase | pll |
| 19:28.58 | Bastihase | test this |
| 19:28.59 | Bastihase | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 19:29.04 | Bastihase | and apt-get update |
| 19:29.18 | stew | pll: no, <file> would be just a single public key |
| 19:29.43 | arenlor | timido: Remember, everyone here is just a person giving their time and effort, under no obligation to help you nor anyone else. |
| 19:29.58 | pll | stew: ah, so I'd need to use gpg to list my key, then pipe it to apt-key add - ? |
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| 19:30.15 | timido | damn this always happen |
| 19:30.44 | stew | pll: you could do "gpg --export -a $keyid | apt-key add - |
| 19:30.55 | pll | Ah, that's what I was looking for! |
| 19:30.59 | pll | thanks stew |
| 19:31.04 | stew | Bastihase: he's not trying to import the debian keys |
| 19:31.10 | Bastihase | ok |
| 19:31.18 | pll | Bastihase: thank you just the same! |
| 19:31.38 | pll | My problem is that I have a local, unsigned repo that I'm trying to sign :) |
| 19:32.02 | cusco | hi... what is the most used command line tool to send an email trough remote smtp server? |
| 19:32.09 | cusco | (please don't say netcat) |
| 19:32.10 | pll | telnet |
| 19:32.17 | arenlor | timido: Googling for your problem got this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/464559 Which suggests it's a kernel issue and gives a potential workaround. |
| 19:32.18 | cusco | pll: that is worth than netcat :p |
| 19:32.31 | petemc | cusco: mutt works well |
| 19:32.32 | pll | cusco: what are you trying to do ? |
| 19:32.45 | cusco | script that sends e-mail |
| 19:33.03 | cusco | swaks doens't allow cc and bcc |
| 19:33.12 | petemc | swaks is for testing, no? |
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| 19:33.24 | pll | how about 'mail -s "subject" someone@foo.com < /tmp/foo |
| 19:33.29 | arenlor | cusco: Try php or perl maybe? |
| 19:33.35 | cusco | petemc: with swaks I can override the body subject and headers from mail-client |
| 19:33.41 | cusco | arenlor: im using php |
| 19:33.49 | cusco | arenlor: but the connection must have tls ort ssl |
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| 19:33.58 | cusco | its a no-go |
| 19:33.59 | foetus | is now known as HenriVIII or so :) |
| 19:34.08 | timido | ok every time i try to do ifconfig wlan0 up i get this error SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 19:34.09 | petemc | cusco: mutt is completely configurable, but where does a mail client come into this? |
| 19:34.10 | pll | cusco: so, use tls/ssl from within php |
| 19:34.29 | cusco | pll: how? didn't find it |
| 19:34.36 | petemc | cusco: or, i should say, which mail client headers are you trying to overwrite? |
| 19:34.41 | cusco | petemc: its not a mail client, I need a tool to send e-mail |
| 19:34.54 | pll | There has to be an SSL/TLS module you can use in php to create a secure connection. |
| 19:34.56 | arenlor | timido: Did you read the link I sent you? |
| 19:35.03 | cusco | petemc: I don't need to overwrite anything, just stating that swaks allow me to write an e-mail just like I need it |
| 19:35.10 | petemc | cusco: well, mutt would too |
| 19:35.11 | cusco | it only does not allow cc and bcc |
| 19:35.16 | timido | arenlor, nope send me the link again i just came back online from a disconnection |
| 19:35.19 | mutante | cusco: http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm |
| 19:35.20 | pll | In perl I think there's just a Net::SSL module. |
| 19:35.29 | petemc | why reinvent the wheel? |
| 19:35.30 | arenlor | timido: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/464559 |
| 19:35.30 | Winkie | SSL is kinda a touchy subject with Perl |
| 19:35.31 | cusco | petemc: I don't doubt it. can I call mutt from a single command? |
| 19:35.35 | petemc | yes |
| 19:35.38 | timido | ubuntu? |
| 19:35.40 | timido | wtf? |
| 19:35.40 | josemdark1 | anybody has a hp dv6-2xxx? |
| 19:35.42 | Winkie | openssl happens to have a particularly poor API |
| 19:35.49 | Winkie | and the Perl modules aren't exceptional |
| 19:35.51 | cusco | Winkie: swaks works fine and its perl |
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| 19:36.04 | Winkie | cusco: oh stuff works, it just is often not pretty |
| 19:36.09 | timido | arenlor, i'm using ath5k though not ath9k |
| 19:36.17 | Connor_ | Uzbl is pretty cool lol |
| 19:36.35 | Winkie | i wrote a credit card authentication and encryption daemon that uses SSL to secure and auth/identify connections |
| 19:36.35 | arenlor | timido: I'd suggest trying to change a character then, and see if it works. |
| 19:36.36 | Winkie | in perl |
| 19:36.43 | Winkie | and i'm not entirely convinced it is reliable |
| 19:36.47 | timido | arenlor, a character? |
| 19:36.54 | arenlor | timido: Yes, change the 9 to a 5 |
| 19:37.09 | timido | dude like i said I'm using the 5 not the 9 |
| 19:37.51 | arenlor | timido: Yes, therefore 's/9/5/g' |
| 19:38.07 | timido | i try the 9 do not work |
| 19:38.14 | timido | the only driver that works good so far is the 5 |
| 19:38.28 | arenlor | timido: As I said, in the commands they give change the 9 to a 5. |
| 19:38.30 | timido | but now is giving me some hard time while rebooting. the wireless does not work. i wonder why though. i get no error with dmesg |
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| 19:38.45 | arenlor | timido: It appears to be a kernel issue, per the link I sent you. |
| 19:38.50 | cusco | mutante: require mail.php |
| 19:38.53 | cusco | where is that? |
| 19:39.22 | cusco | I guess I'll just use mailx |
| 19:39.32 | timido | arenlor, so you saying i should change kernels? |
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| 19:40.07 | arenlor | timido: I'm saying that's likely what is causing your problem. |
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| 19:40.26 | arenlor | cusco: It would appear Mail.php is from pear. |
| 19:41.32 | timido | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 19:41.36 | timido | with driver ath9k |
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| 19:42.37 | rzeka | How should I configure iptables to make it work with nginx and fastcgi. Here's fastcgi config for nginx. I accept connection on 80 port to make websites visible but cannot work out the php :( http://pastebin.com/packfFKR |
| 19:43.03 | arenlor | timido: May I suggest #debian-de to you? |
| 19:45.53 | Bushmills | rzeka: php has no relevance to iptables. port 80 will do, regardless of php or static html |
| 19:46.12 | Bushmills | you may need to look at your web server configuration instead |
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| 19:46.51 | rzeka | just nginx cannot prosecc php so I have to use fastcgi and it connects to it. I run fastcgi like that too: /usr/bin/spawn-fcgi -a 127.0.0.1 -p 9000 -u www-data -g www-data -f /usr/bin/php5-cgi =P /var/run/fastcgi-php.pid |
| 19:47.55 | arenlor | rzeka: Any errors? Also, assuming =P is typo here. |
| 19:48.05 | rzeka | I misstyped on irc :) |
| 19:48.25 | rzeka | html works well, but when I try to work with php i get bad gateway. |
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| 19:49.36 | arenlor | rzeka: http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=433#Item_5 maybe that could help? |
| 19:49.59 | rzeka | fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/www/testsite$fastcgi_script_name; |
| 19:50.10 | rzeka | thx :) I forgot on local server I added this to other cfg file :D |
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| 20:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so why can I mount something via samba in lenny and get permission denied: no match for $HOME/mountdir found in /etc/fstab |
| 20:03.27 | rascal999 | where do i get unrar? |
| 20:03.31 | rascal999 | lenny |
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| 20:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | needless to say I don't have an fstab entry in either |
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| 20:03.55 | josemdark1 | # apt-get install rar unrar |
| 20:04.16 | rascal999 | josemdark1: not found |
| 20:04.19 | josemdark1 | I think you have to add the contrib section |
| 20:04.21 | josemdark1 | or something |
| 20:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "unrar-nonfree" |
| 20:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is not found |
| 20:04.49 | rascal999 | CutMeOwnThroat: "unrar" |
| 20:04.55 | Bop | CutMeOwnThroat, how u mounting it ? |
| 20:04.55 | rascal999 | i have unrar-free, but it doesn't work |
| 20:05.14 | josemdark1 | look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:05.23 | josemdark1 | you should have this |
| 20:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | identical line... smbmount //server/share mntdir/ |
| 20:05.25 | josemdark1 | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib #Debian Stable |
| 20:05.46 | Bop | CutMeOwnThroat, try add -t smbfs |
| 20:05.57 | Bop | also username and password |
| 20:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's smbmount, not mount... |
| 20:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so -t cifs is implied... but obviously behavior changed and now it wants entries in fstab, which... doesn't seem very useful |
| 20:06.53 | josemdark1 | rascal999: you can download the individual package here if you dont want to change your sources.list file |
| 20:06.53 | josemdark1 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/unrar |
| 20:06.55 | fbs | smbfs is replaced by cifs afaik |
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| 20:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... but it's already cifs with lenny... so cifs in both |
| 20:07.49 | josemdark1 | rascal999: I recommend to install http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rar too |
| 20:08.26 | Bop | CutMeOwnThroat, i did that last week with mount -t smbfs |
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| 20:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that gives me "only root can do that" |
| 20:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I can still run the smbfs line as root, but I didn't have to in lenny |
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| 20:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, major version change...changelog begins with 4.0 |
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| 20:14.03 | high-rez | Do any of you know if there's a proper way to tune the time_wait interval in debian ? |
| 20:14.18 | yagoo | high-rez, ? |
| 20:14.46 | high-rez | high-rez: The ammount of time that the kernel will keep a socket in a TIME_WAIT state after the connection has been fully closed. |
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| 20:15.06 | high-rez | err, yagoo, i meant - sorry ;) |
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| 20:16.21 | cire | I have "E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED" in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, but I still get warnings (in browser window) about deprecated functions. How is this done in debian? |
| 20:16.24 | yagoo | high-rez, if not with sysctl.conf, then maybe an echo somewhere in /proc.. if not then yadyada compile :| |
| 20:18.01 | vtts | high-rez, try adjusting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout |
| 20:18.39 | high-rez | vtts: That controls FIN_WAIT.... |
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| 20:21.29 | mxmx | i added /usr/lib/php5/20060613/ffmpeg.so to my php.ini, i restarted apache, and its till not there, I ran php -r 'phpinfo();' and it doesnt show me an error finding the library |
| 20:21.43 | high-rez | Everything I've read says that TIME_WAIT is hard coded to 60 seconds... Although. I have packet captures that show linux reusing a socket in as little as 25 seconds with tcp_tw_reuse and tcp_tw_recycle both set to zero. Because the other side (a load balancer) has its time_wait interval set to 30 seconds, this creates havok in that I end up sending SYN's over and over and over waiting to get an ack back - - artificially limiting throughput. |
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| 20:23.30 | yagoo | high-rez, http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t62399.html maybe it can be used in sysctl.conf net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout or similar |
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| 20:25.00 | high-rez | yagoo: Yeah that discussion thread is wrong. That parameter controls how long a socket can linger in a FIN_WAIT state - which isn't actually TIME_WAIT. |
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| 20:27.01 | high-rez | E.g. FIN sent no FIN ACK received. |
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| 20:29.23 | yagoo | high-rez, http://zeeky.mzrahman.com/archives/000019.html For Linux: |
| 20:29.23 | yagoo | Set the timeout_timewait paramater using the following command: |
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| 20:29.41 | yagoo | .. /sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait=30 |
| 20:29.48 | yagoo | " " |
| 20:29.54 | yagoo | quoted :) |
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| 20:30.12 | yagoo | you just have to know how to use google... |
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| 20:30.55 | high-rez | yagoo: Yeah, like. I uhm know how to use google. I also know that most postings are wrong. Try to run that on your debian box. I'll bet a bucket you get: error: "net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait" is an unknown key |
| 20:32.07 | high-rez | Trust me, I've been through everything that sysctl has to offer, and /proc/net/sys - as well as a million postings on google. Hence, why I've come here as a last resort. |
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| 20:32.33 | high-rez | s/proc\/net\/sys/proc\/sys\/net |
| 20:32.43 | yagoo | high-rez, well ask #kernel.. as i said in my first post.. if u cant do either way echo in proc or with sysctl then custom kernel |
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| 20:36.54 | vtts | high-rez, yeah, it's hardcoded |
| 20:36.56 | vtts | #define TCP_TIMEWAIT_LEN (60*HZ) /* how long to wait to destroy TIME-WAIT |
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| 20:39.27 | high-rez | vtts: Yeah that agrees with what I've read. What's *really* odd here is that I have packet captures showing my box occassionally reusing a socket with 25 seconds... Even when I have unused sockets. |
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| 20:41.14 | high-rez | vtts: As an FYI, i'm using linux to do some load testing - having to create ~ 1000 sockets/second. Shouldn't be a problem as my duration is about 1 second (how long the socket is open) - so with 65k sockets I have a little headroom even at 60 seconds. My Load Balancer is actually set to 30 seconds. But, if I try to reuse a socket before that it just drops it, and I go into a syn retry mode. |
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| 20:50.49 | jaggz- | so I've not been able to igure out why my computer goes to sleep when I run init.d/mysql start |
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| 20:51.23 | jaggz- | and it takes two power-on attempts to come back (it comes back and immediately sleeps again, then comes back and works) |
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| 20:53.02 | andares | hey, how do I find what package will provide a given file? |
| 20:53.15 | amphi | apt-file |
| 20:53.16 | andares | like, for instance, I need makedepend, and I'm not sure what package provides that. |
| 20:53.22 | andares | the thing is the file isn't installed. |
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| 20:53.56 | amphi | apt-file |
| 20:54.02 | andares | ah, okay. |
| 20:54.09 | vtts | andares, also there is a search for that in packages.debian.org |
| 20:54.10 | helo | is there a good way setup a notification to be sent when disk usage of a partition reaches a particular level? |
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| 20:54.25 | helo | exceeds a particular level, rather |
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| 20:55.15 | helo | i could set up a hacky cron job with some df output parsing, but :/ |
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| 20:55.23 | Gijs | How to see a command log? |
| 20:55.26 | Gijs | of a user? |
| 20:55.28 | Gijs | or connect log? |
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| 20:55.41 | andares | also I need to install a special version of mesa 7.9 that I need to compile for myself. |
| 20:55.47 | andares | how should I work around apt? |
| 20:55.48 | helo | Gijs: 'last <username>' |
| 20:56.01 | vtts | helo, monitoring systems (e.g. nagios) have plugins for that |
| 20:56.11 | helo | Gijs: and 'vi ~username/.bash_history' |
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| 20:56.37 | helo | Gijs: last output may not contain particularly old logins |
| 20:56.56 | ike | helo: http://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.html#space_testing ? ;-) |
| 20:57.05 | ike | monit is pretty easy. |
| 20:57.16 | ike | nagios/opennms are full-blown beasts to do such things. |
| 20:57.17 | helo | Gijs: and each user can disable command logging if they wish, so .bash_history shouldn't be relied upon if someone might have been hiding their tracks |
| 20:57.24 | helo | yeah... nagios for this would be overkill |
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| 20:57.31 | ike | Try monit then. |
| 20:59.05 | vtts | helo, you could try reusing plugins from any of the systems, which would only give you a status code |
| 21:00.28 | helo | hmmm, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 21:02.38 | lolufail | hi again! |
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| 21:02.47 | lolufail | I have a XFS that returns "no space left on device" even though df -h returns 1,5T free. I already tried inode64! anything else? |
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| 21:03.24 | bzrk | inodes still free? |
| 21:03.36 | lolufail | bzrk: how do i check=? |
| 21:03.47 | jhutchins | lolufail: How big is it? What returns "no space..."? |
| 21:04.07 | andares | hey, I'm trying to build mesa 9.7 and it's saying that I don't have libdrm >= 2.4.15 installed. |
| 21:04.11 | lolufail | jhutchins: touch and mkdir ;) |
| 21:04.16 | andares | but I do according to aptitude. what gives? |
| 21:04.44 | lolufail | /dev/mapper/raid 17T 15T 1.5T 92% /home |
| 21:05.19 | jhutchins | lolufail: Perhaps there is some other reason it's not writable? WHat did you determine about inodes? |
| 21:05.47 | jhutchins | lolufail: That looks like about the normal amount of space reserved for the system so that the disk doesn't crash. |
| 21:05.54 | jhutchins | 8% |
| 21:06.15 | bzrk | lolufail: df -i |
| 21:06.21 | jhutchins | lolufail: Can root touch and mkdir? |
| 21:06.22 | bzrk | shows the inode count |
| 21:06.34 | lolufail | but I just grew the array from 14,5 to 17tb, and it was at 100% full when it was the smaller size, so there shouldnt be reserved space |
| 21:06.48 | lolufail | jhutchins: no, root can't either. |
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| 21:07.01 | lolufail | bzrk: /dev/mapper/raid 3516325824 1305351 3515020473 1% /home |
| 21:07.24 | jhutchins | lolufail: Well, it could be a side effect of hitting 100%. Have you rebooted? |
| 21:07.38 | lolufail | jhutchins: yes, i have |
| 21:07.41 | jhutchins | lolufail: Have you fsck'd it? |
| 21:07.52 | lolufail | no |
| 21:07.59 | bzrk | lolufail: looks like you still have some inodes left ;) |
| 21:08.04 | lolufail | a few ;) |
| 21:08.16 | lolufail | but I just added inode64 when it already was 100%... |
| 21:08.19 | lolufail | maybe that's the problem? |
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| 21:08.31 | lolufail | should I delete some stuff and hope for the best when it hits the old 100% again? |
| 21:08.37 | bzrk | lolufail: i had that issue with inode64 too, it doesnt always help iirc |
| 21:08.44 | lolufail | uhm, not 100%, I mean when I hit the no space left |
| 21:08.46 | jhutchins | lolufail: fsck - get it back in sync with itself. |
| 21:08.54 | lolufail | k |
| 21:08.56 | bzrk | lolufail: i grew an lvm lv past 1tb and hit the bug |
| 21:09.03 | jhutchins | That will take a while. |
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| 21:09.09 | bzrk | cant recall atm what i did to solve it though |
| 21:09.44 | lolufail | fsck or xfs_check=? |
| 21:09.47 | lolufail | or is that a symlink |
| 21:10.13 | jhutchins | lolufail: fsck should call the right checker. |
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| 21:10.40 | jhutchins | lolufail: Not a symlink, but it can call the various different ones. |
| 21:10.53 | lolufail | k |
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| 21:11.01 | lolufail | that's what I meant ;) |
| 21:11.14 | jhutchins | lolufail: Keep notes, I'm curious how long 17TB takes to check. |
| 21:11.33 | lolufail | started 1 minute ago:root@server:~# xfs_check /dev/mapper/raid |
| 21:11.45 | thrice` | does anyone happen to know which package provides the native pulseaudio applet for gnome? the only way I can make it show up is gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, but I think this is mostly obsolete ? |
| 21:12.34 | thrice` | I ge ta volume applet, but it only shows alsa mixer elements; pulseaudio is definitely running, so I think I'm missing a magic package |
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| 21:13.30 | k-dingo | query dpkg test |
| 21:14.30 | vtts | high-rez, do you get any warnings when early reuse happens? |
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| 21:18.41 | Roksteady | what does this mean from update-grub, grub-install and grub-probe: "error: unsupported RAID version 0.91"? |
| 21:18.54 | Roksteady | Do I need to downgrade from grub2 to grub1 ? |
| 21:19.10 | lolufail | Roksteady: no you need to update the metadata on your raid IIRC |
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| 21:19.17 | lolufail | man mdadm |
| 21:19.20 | Roksteady | hmm okay |
| 21:19.35 | Roksteady | aha, "0, 0.90, default" |
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| 21:21.31 | phox | uhhh. where's alien supposed to be saving output packages to? |
| 21:21.39 | W4RH4WK | hey there, does anyone know something about archive flags in ext3? |
| 21:22.08 | phox | I get: foopackage.deb generated <- but it's not in cwd? |
| 21:22.44 | phox | also if I try to use alien -i, dpkg whines that it can't find the package, so I'm thinking alien is not producing output at all? |
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| 21:23.47 | llutz | W4RH4WK: man chattr ("d") maybe that helps you. |
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| 21:25.04 | W4RH4WK | llutz, thx i'll have a look at that |
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| 21:26.26 | Roksteady | lolufail: Ok thanks I found all I need. Seems metadata can only be upgraded offline. |
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| 21:27.59 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
| 21:28.09 | jhutchins2 | phox: Are you familiar with find? |
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| 21:28.33 | lolufail | Roksteady: np :) |
| 21:28.40 | jhutchins2 | phox: If you pay attention to the output, it should show you where it's putting it, but it may scroll off quickly. |
| 21:28.50 | phox | jhutchins2: except it doesn't. |
| 21:29.01 | jhutchins2 | phox: You can also tee the output to a log, and you can look at the makefile and see where it's putting it. |
| 21:29.02 | lolufail | jhutchins: fuck, hit a kernelbut or something, whole server froze -_- |
| 21:29.05 | lolufail | bug* |
| 21:29.12 | phox | jhutchins2: there are like 5 lines of output. |
| 21:29.15 | phox | narf. |
| 21:29.31 | jhutchins2 | lolufail: Um, give it some time, could be a big chunk of data. |
| 21:29.57 | jhutchins2 | lolufail: It's not mounted, is it? |
| 21:29.58 | lolufail | serial console unresponive :P |
| 21:30.04 | lolufail | no, I unmounted first |
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| 21:30.42 | doublehp | which package contains nc6 ? |
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| 21:31.07 | lolufail | hmm that's odd, still pingable |
| 21:31.16 | lolufail | but no ssh |
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| 21:31.35 | doublehp | lolufail: telnet host 22 |
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| 21:32.48 | phox | =/ |
| 21:32.52 | vtts | lolufail, ping and no ssh is possible if kernel panicked |
| 21:33.50 | lolufail | doublehp: tcp there, no response from the daemon aparanetly |
| 21:34.22 | doublehp | lolufail: sure the IP is in the right host ? if localnet, check ARP. |
| 21:34.37 | doublehp | maybe a router, or an other host could satisfy ping ... |
| 21:34.49 | doublehp | other services on the box ? |
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| 21:36.42 | lolufail | doublehp: nope, kernelpanick was the problem, I reset the machine, now the serial console (or KVM in this case) works, as well as SSH |
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| 21:37.38 | Roksteady | well this is weird, lolufail, metadata version 0.91... it's not even mentioned in mdadm(8) |
| 21:37.56 | Roksteady | my two raid1's have metadata 00.90, the raid5 has 0.91 |
| 21:38.05 | phox | sets alien on fire. |
| 21:38.23 | phox | I hate software that claims it succeeded when it did not. |
| 21:38.52 | lolufail | Roksteady: 10.02 is the normal one i think, that's what I explicitly entered during raid creation after I hit your bug :D |
| 21:38.56 | lolufail | or problem |
| 21:39.03 | lolufail | *01.02 |
| 21:39.17 | k-dingo | phox: true :) |
| 21:39.48 | phox | I'd file a bug but empirical testing says that my Deb bugs get dropped on the floor 100% of the time. |
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| 21:40.17 | Roksteady | lolufail: I don't even know how I got into this mess. I've had these 3 raid devices for ever. 2 RAID1, 1 RAID5. |
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| 21:40.19 | bronaugh | uh; so, alien doesn't generate a package when it states it is doing so. |
| 21:40.21 | bronaugh | strace'd it |
| 21:40.29 | bronaugh | there's no open call for anything containing ".deb" |
| 21:40.32 | bronaugh | so uh. it's not doing it. |
| 21:40.37 | Roksteady | lolufail: Perhaps... the metadata version 0.91 is temporary... I _am_ in the middle of reshaping the RAID5 array. |
| 21:40.42 | bronaugh | alien 8.81 |
| 21:41.00 | lolufail | Roksteady: nhah it's just the stupid default during raid creation |
| 21:41.05 | Roksteady | Wish I found this out sooner though, I would have copied everything off into the new disks instead of expanding the current array with it :( |
| 21:41.14 | lolufail | I read the entire mdadm manpage, it's somewhere in there iirc |
| 21:41.16 | Roksteady | lolufail: 0.90 yeah, but 0.91!? |
| 21:41.20 | lolufail | hmm dunno |
| 21:41.28 | Roksteady | that's what's puzzling me right now. |
| 21:41.43 | k-dingo | phox: http://makeuseof.com/tech-fun/images/windows-error-success.jpg |
| 21:41.54 | Roksteady | guess I'll wait 3 days for the reshape and hope nothing happens until then because right now i suspect I have unbootable gurb |
| 21:41.58 | Roksteady | grub |
| 21:42.27 | k-dingo | Roksteady: How does grub fail? |
| 21:42.52 | k-dingo | Roksteady: I've seen an off-by-one error in setting the grub root device (hd(0,0) instead of hd(0,1) or vice versa). |
| 21:43.08 | Roksteady | k-dingo: I'm not sure what it does and doesn't but grub-install, probe and update-grub complains "error: unsupported RAID version 0.91" |
| 21:43.28 | Roksteady | k-dingo: /dev/md0 (RAID1) has metadata version 00.90, /dev/md1 (RAID5) has metadata version 00.91 |
| 21:43.44 | Roksteady | k-dingo: And 00.91 I can't even find any documentation reference to right now. |
| 21:44.13 | Roksteady | k-dingo: and like I said, the only thing "out of the ordinary" right now is that /dev/md1 is in the middle of a reshape. |
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| 21:44.58 | k-dingo | Roksteady: OK, missed that. |
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| 21:47.07 | jhulst | Hi All, does any one have any ideas on why I'd be getting a "Failed to create secure directory: Permission denied" error with mplayer? / is mounted over NFS if that makes any difference... |
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| 21:50.12 | doublehp | which package contains nc6 ? |
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| 21:51.29 | AimHere | netcat6 |
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| 21:51.36 | AimHere | apt-cache search is your friend for that sort of thing |
| 21:51.43 | macrobat | i have 2 hdds with grub on the mbr. how do i know which mbr is in control? |
| 21:52.23 | doublehp | macrobat: HDD selection depends on the BIOS |
| 21:52.26 | Roksteady | just grok'ed it... k-dingo, lolufail: src/drivers/md/md.c:926 sb->minor_version = 91; and later it's set back to 90 when it's finished: if (mddev->reshape_position == MaxSector) sb->minor_version = 90; |
| 21:53.02 | Roksteady | guess I can upgrade to grub2 again, wait 3 days for reshape and try again :). |
| 21:53.07 | macrobat | ok, i have to look in the bios to see which hdd "is started" first? |
| 21:53.35 | cusco | now I'm struggling with mailx |
| 21:53.46 | cusco | sometimes it converts text as an attachment |
| 21:53.48 | cusco | gah |
| 21:53.54 | doublehp | macrobat: MBR selection inside a disk is logical: the BIOS always starts with the main-MBR, the one before the partition table; in many cases, if you have installed a MBR in a partition after the root MBR, installator will disable root MBR, and the BIOS will then search for BR in partitions, staring by the activated one |
| 21:54.41 | petemc | cusco: you would need to uuencode something if you want to attach it with mailx |
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| 21:54.51 | petemc | cusco: with mutt that wouldnt be necessary |
| 21:54.52 | doublehp | macrobat: in most case, BIOS will just check the MBR, and if disabled, activated BR, then go see somewhere else. I don't how to probe from OS if the MBR is disabled or not |
| 21:54.56 | macrobat | hopefully the partition tables are identical |
| 21:55.30 | doublehp | macrobat: your question was ambiguous anyway |
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| 21:55.49 | doublehp | AimHere: thanks; but search nc6 gives <nothing> |
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| 21:56.33 | bronaugh | bah. no help here. |
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| 21:56.40 | macrobat | yes, i'm not entirely clear on this. i'll yank either hdd and see if i still can boot |
| 21:56.52 | macrobat | ty |
| 21:58.01 | macrobat | i didn't know about multiple mbrs on a disk |
| 21:58.41 | doublehp | macrobat: initial selection is done by BIOS anyway; and believe me, the OS has NO WAY to probe it. It's sad; on all other architectures not using BIOS, the OS can do it: the POST sets up an env variable (passed to kernel) where you can read $default_boot and $booted |
| 21:58.59 | doublehp | macrobat: even some x86 can do it: the ones by Apple, using EFI ... |
| 21:59.20 | AimHere | doublehp, I apt-cache searched netcat, because I knew that nc6 was netcat.... |
| 21:59.39 | AimHere | Seems it's not THAT friendly |
| 21:59.48 | macrobat | ok, i was about to migrate to grub2 |
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| 22:01.46 | doublehp | AimHere: in fact, in THIS point, for THIS app, debian and gentoo behave exactly the same: seperate packages for v4 and v6 (usually, gentoo has only one package, and you have env FLAGs to specify your "taste" for fine tuning), and both will keep silent when asking nc6 ... for once, identical. |
| 22:01.53 | doublehp | macrobat: avoid it |
| 22:02.00 | macrobat | :D |
| 22:02.51 | doublehp | macrobat: grub from latest testing killed one disk: it disabled grub previously installed by two other debian, because it failed to detect them |
| 22:03.22 | doublehp | i lost two debians, bvecause of a faulty grub2 installator (automated process during installation, no way to prevent this, or even foresee it ) |
| 22:03.44 | cusco | petemc: I don't want to attach it. but it is going as an attachment sometimes |
| 22:03.45 | cusco | argh! |
| 22:04.00 | doublehp | cusco: what's the command used to send ? |
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| 22:04.51 | cusco | doublehp: cat file.txt|mailx -r bla@bla.bla -s "bla bla" bla@blabla.bla |
| 22:05.07 | cusco | and its this one specific text file that goes as an attachment |
| 22:05.10 | cusco | can't figure out why |
| 22:05.41 | doublehp | cusco: check ... what's the name ... |
| 22:05.43 | doublehp | not locales |
| 22:05.48 | doublehp | the other boring stuff |
| 22:05.53 | cusco | name... of the file? |
| 22:05.53 | doublehp | encodings ! |
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| 22:06.10 | cusco | ah |
| 22:06.12 | cusco | encodings |
| 22:06.17 | cusco | what about them? |
| 22:06.22 | doublehp | check if the encoding of file is supported by your terminal, and acceptable for mail format used ! |
| 22:06.25 | cusco | well I see them specified in the headers |
| 22:06.30 | cusco | but I am specifying none |
| 22:06.47 | cusco | well yes, if I cat the file I can read it perfectly |
| 22:06.59 | doublehp | look in the received email, if mailx added any header about encodings |
| 22:07.09 | cusco | it did |
| 22:07.19 | doublehp | some tool will tell which one is used in your text file; if not "file", IDK |
| 22:07.42 | cusco | Content-Type: application/octet-stream and Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 |
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| 22:07.53 | doublehp | cusco: precisely ... fact the encoding is supported by your terminal, does not mean it's accepted by mailx itlsef :D |
| 22:08.00 | doublehp | no |
| 22:08.03 | doublehp | not the attachement |
| 22:08.06 | cusco | err |
| 22:08.12 | doublehp | i meant, encoding of main body |
| 22:08.23 | cusco | there is no body |
| 22:08.26 | doublehp | ie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit |
| 22:08.35 | cusco | hold |
| 22:08.43 | doublehp | ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 |
| 22:08.48 | doublehp | i have this in email header |
| 22:08.54 | doublehp | then body, then attachements |
| 22:09.14 | doublehp | ( "C" missing above, bad mouse selection) |
| 22:09.35 | cusco | normally so do I, but this e-mail has none |
| 22:09.52 | doublehp | i stop here; if it's encoding issue, there are tools to convert files; if not, i can't help you. just an idea, may not be the issue. |
| 22:09.53 | cusco | want me to send you one? :p |
| 22:10.01 | cusco | iconv |
| 22:10.08 | doublehp | y, doublehp@doublehp.org |
| 22:10.12 | cusco | ok |
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| 22:11.20 | doublehp | yes, file gives encoding for me |
| 22:11.21 | cusco | doublehp: sent from suporte@pcmedic.pt |
| 22:11.51 | doublehp | what's your timezone ? |
| 22:12.06 | cusco | what sorry doublehp that one actually works |
| 22:12.08 | cusco | I can see the text |
| 22:12.13 | cusco | let me send you another one |
| 22:12.16 | cusco | gmt+0 |
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| 22:12.59 | doublehp | so, depending on many things, i ll search your email, ort by date, around 22:11 :D |
| 22:13.05 | doublehp | faster than from |
| 22:13.40 | doublehp | not in inbox, 16000 spams to download to check bin :/ |
| 22:14.42 | cusco | doublehp: 22.14 here |
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| 22:14.48 | cusco | just sent you |
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| 22:16.00 | cusco | there is no body, only the attachment |
| 22:16.53 | doublehp | unrelated: you have a FQDN issue |
| 22:17.00 | cusco | yep, I know |
| 22:17.08 | cusco | my smtp marked that |
| 22:17.09 | doublehp | unrelated: your SEnder field is invalid |
| 22:17.17 | cusco | is it? |
| 22:17.30 | cusco | Sender: "suporte@pcmedic.pt"@pcmedic.pt |
| 22:17.34 | cusco | lol |
| 22:17.40 | doublehp | "foo"@bar.stuff ... is not valid |
| 22:17.40 | cusco | right... |
| 22:17.57 | cusco | not sure why its like that, but I'll check |
| 22:18.12 | doublehp | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 # in first email : i told you: your MTA set up one for you |
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| 22:19.03 | doublehp | i think your from is also invalid: should be : "name email@domain (description)" <email@domain> |
| 22:19.24 | helo | sets you on fire |
| 22:19.34 | doublehp | having bare texte in parenhesis, AFTER email, and outside quotes, is strange to me |
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| 22:21.26 | doublehp | cusco: unrelated: gmail put your 2 messages in Spam folder |
| 22:21.40 | cusco | doublehp: in my gmail didn't |
| 22:21.41 | cusco | lol |
| 22:22.22 | karlpinc | (FWIW, the rfc for email addresses is 2822.) |
| 22:22.22 | cusco | so you see a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 in first e-mail |
| 22:22.34 | cusco | but firs e-mail is one of those that gets sent right |
| 22:22.57 | doublehp | i don't talk spanish (is Spain in GMT+0 ? thought it was +1 like France ), so, langage i never received in the past. Good filters :D |
| 22:23.12 | cusco | doublehp: im from portugal |
| 22:23.28 | doublehp | ah, .pt ... |
| 22:23.33 | cusco | and sorry about language.. |
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| 22:24.10 | karlpinc | cusco: If you like you could try #debian-br for portugues. |
| 22:24.12 | doublehp | cusco: so, wat does file say about your file ? and, what was the difference when sending messages ? |
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| 22:25.37 | planet8 | What group should a user belong to in order to use a USB 3G modem without root privs? |
| 22:25.53 | cusco | karlpinc: my english is fine and debian-br os like brazialian locale? |
| 22:25.56 | cusco | I use #debian-pt |
| 22:26.33 | cusco | doublehp: so about second e-mail |
| 22:26.41 | cusco | you got the text as an attachment, right? |
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| 22:27.23 | doublehp | planet8: see the devoce node for mode, sth like ls -lh /dev/USBSerial ... will tell you the group |
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| 22:27.47 | doublehp | planet8: you can also change the group owning the device node using conf files of udev; somewhere in /etc, i don't know by heart |
| 22:27.49 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm creating a new VM server to run a few different Linux distros, including Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, and CentOS. I've been playing with Xen on lenny & squeeze and have been plagued by domU installation problems, including not being able to boot after a clean install of a domU. What is the most viable virtualisation solution on Debian for something like this at the moment? I'd prefer something based on libvirt, but at the mo |
| 22:28.02 | cusco | doublehp: I got it like an attachment called "noname" |
| 22:28.06 | doublehp | planet8: there is a file describing, what are the owner of each node |
| 22:28.09 | planet8 | doublehp, thanks |
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| 22:28.59 | doublehp | cusco: yes; but no clue why |
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| 22:29.32 | cusco | I'm using heirloom mailx |
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| 22:31.00 | Bushmills | blahdeblah: i like vserver, but that's not an option if you want to run different kernels on your VMs |
| 22:31.21 | blahdeblah | Bushmills: Yeah - my current server runs vserver, but that's not really an option in this case |
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| 22:31.57 | flock-_ | anyone with OVH server knows how to add an extra IP to a dedicated server |
| 22:32.34 | Bushmills | up ip addr add ... |
| 22:32.39 | blahdeblah | Bushmills: I've got a Xen dom0 running on Ubuntu hardy that works pretty well, but it's pretty much a dead-end going back to that now - i want to move forward, not backward. |
| 22:33.00 | Bushmills | (in your /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 22:33.03 | doublehp | blahdeblah: first, depends if you use XEN or alternatives; then, if you do HV or PV ... |
| 22:33.46 | doublehp | blahdeblah: debian uses deprecated Xen |
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| 22:34.06 | blahdeblah | doublehp: Xen is what i'm most familiar with, but i'm happy to go with something else if it works well and is going to be well-supported in the future. My machine is HV-capable, but i probably have a mild preference for PV. |
| 22:34.17 | doublehp | blahdeblah: 3.2 is aged; gentoo now has 3.4 which is also aged; latest is 4.0.1, and it has MANY improovements. |
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| 22:35.04 | blahdeblah | I'm not seeing too many of those improvements on my squeeze test host. Even basic things like installing a clean domU seem to be very fragile. |
| 22:35.12 | doublehp | blahdeblah: in both case, you can install using chroot, or debootstrap. |
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| 22:35.52 | blahdeblah | hmmmm - I would prefer something that uses libvirt rather than the debian-only management tools |
| 22:36.21 | blahdeblah | That said, if libvirt doesn't work well and the Debian tools do, then that's the most important thing |
| 22:36.23 | doublehp | i just said it possible; it may be more time efficient for tests. |
| 22:36.38 | doublehp | blahdeblah: define "fragile" |
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| 22:37.03 | blahdeblah | doublehp: For example, i tried to change the hard disk from IDE to SCSI, and now the domU is unbootable. |
| 22:37.35 | doublehp | blahdeblah: disk in domU or dom0 ? |
| 22:37.40 | blahdeblah | in domU |
| 22:37.49 | doublehp | 4.0specific feature |
| 22:37.57 | blahdeblah | ?? |
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| 22:38.29 | blahdeblah | doublehp: Or another example, if i define a separate /boot partition in the domU, it installs fine but Xen can't find the boot loader when it reboots. If i do exactly the same thing without using a separate /boot, it works fine. |
| 22:38.37 | doublehp | you tried to make a domU use SCSI layer of Qemu ? unsuported in 3.4 ! you have found this on forums, because dev were using 4.0 . |
| 22:38.55 | blahdeblah | AFAICT, i'm using 4.0 on squeeze |
| 22:39.11 | doublehp | for 4.0 bugs, >>> #xen |
| 22:39.37 | blahdeblah | Most of the folks in #xen seem to be Windowsy XenServer folks, not using Debian dom0 |
| 22:39.44 | doublehp | blahdeblah: MBR/BR issue; it would also happen in a normal box |
| 22:40.04 | doublehp | i have an experienced debian friend, he does not answer phone :/ |
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| 22:41.05 | blahdeblah | doublehp: I've got configurations like that working on my old hardy dom0 box - i don't see how it can be an MBR issue when i've just done a successful clean install, including grub. |
| 22:41.23 | plt2 | Hi |
| 22:41.37 | blahdeblah | doublehp: (Not to mention that separate /boot on bare metal hosts has always been 100% reliable for me) |
| 22:41.38 | doublehp | blahdeblah: by default, debian installer installs only in partition BR, not in MBR; you have to manually ask debian to install in MBR; and, even then, grub2 easily fail to do it properly |
| 22:41.50 | doublehp | i had the bug on dom0 |
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| 22:42.16 | doublehp | Qemu does not announce boot disks the same way as your host |
| 22:42.20 | blahdeblah | doublehp: I always choose the grub option to install in MBR, and this is a lenny domU, not squeeze - squeeze is the dom0 |
| 22:42.23 | doublehp | Qemu uses old fashion BIOS |
| 22:42.50 | doublehp | you are playing with bleeding edge. |
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| 22:43.10 | blahdeblah | So if i don't play with the bleeding edge, are there more viable options? |
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| 22:43.34 | blahdeblah | I'm grasping at straws here just to find something that works |
| 22:43.49 | blahdeblah | Should be considering a different distro in dom0? |
| 22:43.50 | doublehp | one disk per domU (i mean, it could be a "file" or partition, but, as a start, avoid partitions in domU: Qemu is limited !!! ) |
| 22:44.17 | doublehp | dom0 distro should not matter |
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| 22:44.44 | blahdeblah | dom0 distro seems to be the big issue, though. My hardy dom0 handles all the lenny guests i throw at it no problems. |
| 22:44.49 | doublehp | few things concern the domU: Xen superviser version, Qemu version ... i can't see anything else. |
| 22:45.15 | doublehp | even dom0 should not affect IMHO |
| 22:45.23 | doublehp | even dom0 +kernel+ should not affect IMHO |
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| 22:45.41 | blahdeblah | So what does your setup use? |
| 22:45.55 | flock-_ | is there any guide how to add users on debian? |
| 22:46.09 | dondelelcaro | flock-_: just use adduser |
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| 22:46.34 | doublehp | Gentoo stable, xen 3.4, kernel 2.6.34 ... and I use xen config files from a friend using old debian; he has Xen 3.2, and kernel 2.6.24 |
| 22:47.23 | doublehp | flock-_: useradd, adduser, then, mkdir their dir, then chown their dir. adduser/useradd options can do the dir thigs for you. It's not Linux specific, it's general UNIX knowledge. |
| 22:47.41 | doublehp | flock-_: for complex user management, we need details |
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| 22:48.24 | blahdeblah | doublehp: I'm sure something like that would work with lenny dom0 as well. I was just hoping to get a setup that was not obsolete from the day it's installed. |
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| 22:49.49 | flock-_ | how do I change the group owner of a folder? |
| 22:50.37 | doublehp | chown |
| 22:50.38 | flock-_ | thanks alot btw doublehp |
| 22:51.16 | mutante | chgrp |
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| 22:54.08 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 22:54.08 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 22:56.10 | plt2 | What is the difference between debian woody, leny and sarge? |
| 22:56.29 | franki^ | They're all different releases... |
| 22:56.39 | franki^ | Lenny is the only "current" one |
| 22:56.44 | franki^ | !woody |
| 22:56.44 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 22:56.44 | plt2 | Does leny tend to break depencies more often? |
| 22:56.47 | franki^ | !lenny |
| 22:56.47 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.6>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 22:56.50 | franki^ | !sarge |
| 22:56.50 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 22:57.00 | franki^ | plt2: No, Lenny is the current Stable release |
| 22:57.06 | plt2 | Thanks |
| 22:57.08 | franki^ | plt2: The other two are _old_ :P |
| 22:57.22 | plt2 | Thank you |
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| 22:57.28 | franki^ | No problem :) |
| 22:57.37 | mutante | !potato |
| 22:57.37 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 22:57.46 | simonrvn | mutante: quit it |
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| 22:57.54 | simonrvn | franki^: same for you |
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| 22:57.55 | moka | Hi, after resume from hibernation the system works but i get a black screen. I'm on sid, using nouveau driver and the laptop is an acer. The problem is exactly this one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567253. Any hints to solve this problem? |
| 22:58.20 | simonrvn | /msg the bot ffs |
| 22:58.25 | franki^ | simonrvn: What? I was showing plt2 information about the releases he was asking about. |
| 22:58.35 | simonrvn | and spamming the channel with it |
| 22:58.56 | franki^ | If people ask for information here, I see it only fair to answer the question here. |
| 22:59.02 | franki^ | I'm sorry to have offended you though |
| 22:59.07 | simonrvn | yes, and you can use the tell syntax |
| 22:59.10 | ttiicc | Im on debian testing and get this error "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)" message when I run aptitude install xfce4 |
| 22:59.21 | themill | franki^: I think what simonrvn was very politely asking you to do was just suggest that the recipient be told that they can /msg the bot themselves to get this inormation. |
| 22:59.25 | simonrvn | you didn't offend me, you ticked me off |
| 22:59.31 | somiaj | ttiicc: did you run the command as root, or with sudo? |
| 22:59.38 | ttiicc | root |
| 22:59.58 | somiaj | ttiicc: do you have another apt/aptitude process running that is downloading and installing something else? |
| 22:59.59 | simonrvn | themill: i got the hint too ;) |
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| 23:00.25 | ttiicc | not as I know |
| 23:00.41 | franki^ | themill: Point taken. :) |
| 23:01.10 | ttiicc | pgrep apt gives me two process ids |
| 23:01.31 | ttiicc | but I haven't started them |
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| 23:03.53 | simonrvn | ttiicc: have a cron job running with cron-apt or such? |
| 23:04.11 | ttiicc | I killed both processes and got the update |
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| 23:04.38 | ttiicc | I'll look at the cron jobs, but don't think so. I recently installed the OS |
| 23:04.43 | mutante | ttiicc: a package like cron-apt or apticron ? |
| 23:06.09 | ttiicc | the debian OS is recently installed on my computer, haven't had time to tweak it so Im really wondering why these two processes where running |
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| 23:06.44 | mutante | maybe /var/log/dpkg.log can tell more? |
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| 23:09.45 | ttiicc | yeahh it's allot in the log but anyway I got it to work when those processes where killed |
| 23:10.10 | ttiicc | thanks for the supplies about the subject |
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| 23:18.43 | ap3r | hey guys - im having some crazt mouse problems on a new laptop I just got with 64-bit debian squeeze |
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| 23:19.14 | ap3r | touchpad works for the first 5 seconds, then it just goes crazy, clicking and moving randomly |
| 23:19.48 | ap3r | i get this in dmesg: |
| 23:19.48 | ap3r | [ 1520.796080] psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio2/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away. |
| 23:20.02 | ap3r | any ideas? |
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| 23:21.02 | sam113101 | how do I launch a program when X starts |
| 23:21.20 | phox | xinitrc or xsession depending if you're using an xdm or not |
| 23:21.37 | phox | (fwiw the latter does it when you log in, not when X starts) |
| 23:22.01 | sam113101 | I'm not using any dm |
| 23:22.46 | sam113101 | so is it xinit or xsession |
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| 23:23.24 | flock-_ | how do I associate a ip to an vhost? |
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| 23:28.13 | plt2 | What is the current version of kernel? |
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| 23:28.40 | ap3r | plt2 are you asking me? |
| 23:28.48 | plt2 | I have 2.626-2 |
| 23:29.00 | plt2 | I have 2.6.26-2 is that ok? |
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| 23:30.28 | mutante | flock-_: DNS, forward (where your vhost/domain is hosted), and reverse (where you have your IP) |
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| 23:31.25 | sam113101 | so is it xinit or xsession |
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| 23:34.18 | plt2 | what files holds this apt Install-Recommends "false" |
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| 23:34.44 | ge0rge | hello all! |
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| 23:37.13 | Connor1 | I'm back with Debian \o/ |
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| 23:39.39 | trellakos | hello all |
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| 23:41.57 | plt2 | 00trustcdrom 01autoremove 70debconf File it is? |
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| 23:42.58 | plt2 | If you use Lenny, you will notice that DTC pulls really A LOT of dependencies. This is because by default, Lenny install all the packages that are in the Recommends: section of each dependencies. If you want to avoid that, simply put this in your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20norecommends: |
| 23:44.35 | dondelelcaro | plt2: blindly turning off recommends is a bad idea |
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| 23:45.26 | cusco | yay! I figured it out |
| 23:45.27 | plt2 | The author of gplhost told me to do it |
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| 23:45.54 | trellakos | has anyone else have problem with emoticons from msn? |
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| 23:46.08 | cusco | tr -d '\015' |
| 23:46.14 | cusco | wht char is \015 |
| 23:46.17 | k-man | i'm trying to get distcc working in squeeze, but i get this error: /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/include_server/include_server.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 23:46.23 | k-man | locate finds the file here: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/include_server/include_server.py |
| 23:47.48 | themill | ,recommends dtc-toaster |
| 23:47.50 | judd | Package dtc-toaster -- recommends: None. |
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| 23:48.35 | stew | k-man: if you are on squeeze, why is your python still 2.5 instead of 2.6? |
| 23:49.26 | k-man | stew: its not, distcc is looking for include_server.py in 2.5's lib path |
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| 23:49.52 | stew | k-man: what does "python --version" return? |
| 23:50.05 | k-man | 2.6.6 |
| 23:50.07 | dondelelcaro | plt2: well, whoever that is doesn't know what they're talking about |
| 23:50.14 | stew | k-man: and what version of the python-minimal package do you have installed? |
| 23:50.31 | dondelelcaro | plt2: you should only disable recommends when you know precisely what you're doing, and generally then, you should just remove specific ones |
| 23:50.35 | franki^ | trellakos: Which program are you using for MSN? (Pidgin, aMSN, Emesene, etc) |
| 23:50.54 | franki^ | trellakos: Also, you might get better help in the channel of that program. :) |
| 23:51.16 | k-man | stew: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1 |
| 23:52.29 | k-man | stew: apt-file search indicates: distcc-pump: /usr/share/pyshared/include_server/include_server.py |
| 23:52.46 | k-man | but when i run distcc-pump it seems to look in the wrong place for the file |
| 23:52.55 | sam113101 | there are 2 commands that I would like to run when X starts |
| 23:53.00 | sam113101 | how do I do that |
| 23:53.33 | k-man | sam113101: .xinitrc |
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| 23:54.04 | lachouffe | hi ! does "*" wild card works in /etc/apt_preference file ? |
| 23:54.23 | lachouffe | its seem it -s not |
| 23:54.47 | themill | lachouffe: it does but probably not in the way you think. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 23:55.11 | k-man | stew: further, distcc-pump directly references the wrong file: include_server='/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/include_server/include_server.py' |
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| 23:55.41 | lachouffe | themill, yes cause if i do "Package: libusb*" nothing get pin in apt-cache policy |
| 23:55.55 | lachouffe | is it the normal behavior ? |
| 23:55.58 | themill | yes |
| 23:56.44 | lachouffe | so, is it possible to have a wildcard for all packages that begin by libusb ? |
| 23:57.29 | sam113101 | k-man, explain more please |
| 23:57.46 | themill | lachouffe: no. wildcards do not work in the way you think. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 23:57.59 | sam113101 | there is a xinitrc.d directory |
| 23:58.12 | lachouffe | themill, thanks a lot you already gave me the answer ... i just forget how to use IRC !! |
| 23:58.13 | sam113101 | and an xinitrc bash script |
| 23:58.27 | lachouffe | nice site thanks themill ! |
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| 23:59.18 | k-man | sam113101: http://wiki.debian.org/xinitrc |
