| 00:00.21 | sam113101 | oh thanks ! |
| 00:01.52 | k-man | stew: looks like the bug is known about: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580308 |
| 00:02.16 | stew | ah |
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| 00:19.58 | plt2 | E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/g/glibc/locales-all_2.7-18lenny6_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: :: 80]? |
| 00:21.07 | plt2 | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin_2.11.8.1-5+lenny6_all.deb |
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| 00:24.31 | hamid_rostami | Hello, Why "aptitude upgrade" give me this error: E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2010o-0lenny1_all.deb: 404 Not Found |
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| 00:25.08 | plt2 | I think debiab does have some major issues |
| 00:25.23 | hamid_rostami | must change the mirror ? |
| 00:25.39 | themill | you need to run an "aptitude update" |
| 00:26.18 | hamid_rostami | themill: I've already updated |
| 00:26.31 | stew | plt2: those urls work for me. are you behind a proxy? |
| 00:26.43 | plt2 | No |
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| 00:26.58 | stew | plt2: which ip address are you getting that error from? |
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| 00:27.23 | plt2 | Ny ip address? |
| 00:27.34 | stew | plt2: no, which ip address of security.debian.org |
| 00:28.06 | plt2 | 149.20.20.6 |
| 00:28.18 | stew | i don't get a 404 from that ip |
| 00:28.39 | plt2 | What ip address should it be? |
| 00:28.40 | stew | or any of the ips |
| 00:28.45 | stew | plt2: that one is fine |
| 00:28.52 | stew | 149.20.20.6, 128.31.0.36, 128.101.240.212 |
| 00:29.02 | stew | all three have both of those .debs |
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| 00:29.26 | hamid_rostami | themill: Resolved ! |
| 00:29.51 | themill | yay! |
| 00:30.39 | plt2 | Depends on what mirror you use sometimes it does not even put the write information in the /etc/apt files |
| 00:30.42 | themill | plt2: perhaps you can put the entire output of "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" in a pastebin for us. |
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| 00:31.06 | plt2 | I can do that. Right now I am re-loading the entire os. |
| 00:31.18 | themill | *blink* |
| 00:31.24 | nutron | I haven't tried this yet (tm), but has bonding setup changed at all under squeeze from lenny? |
| 00:31.51 | plt2 | Is squeeze still be supported? |
| 00:32.15 | stew | plt2: squeeze hasn't been released yet |
| 00:32.26 | plt2 | ok |
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| 00:33.29 | nutron | I'm just living on the bleeding edge. That's all (oh and I'm forced to, since lenny and intel hardware makes it.. "unfancy") |
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| 00:45.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:46.05 | Bastihase | :) |
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| 00:47.39 | groulder | guys i'm trying to run dig +trace |
| 00:47.42 | groulder | and it's not tracing |
| 00:47.43 | groulder | any ideas? |
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| 00:52.19 | dgtlmoon | greetings |
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| 00:58.15 | dgtlmoon | i have a system on debian etch, should i change the sources.list to something newer than etch? |
| 00:58.16 | dgtlmoon | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
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| 00:58.56 | franki^ | !etch->lenny |
| 00:59.05 | stew | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 00:59.23 | stew | the bot has a bug... |
| 00:59.30 | franki^ | :( |
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| 00:59.40 | themill | dgtlmoon: etch is no longer on the mirrors. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:59.41 | stew | dgtlmoon: yes, support for etch was dropped a while ago: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:59.47 | dgtlmoon | aah |
| 00:59.49 | dgtlmoon | thought so |
| 01:00.25 | dgtlmoon | should i do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:00.39 | franki^ | You should read the instructions |
| 01:00.57 | dgtlmoon | wohh fine |
| 01:00.58 | dgtlmoon | :) |
| 01:01.02 | franki^ | :) |
| 01:01.08 | dgtlmoon | franki^, where are the instructions smarty? |
| 01:01.11 | dgtlmoon | i do this /msg right ? |
| 01:01.25 | franki^ | Yeah, I don't know why they didn't show up in the channel |
| 01:01.42 | franki^ | But there is an etch->lenny factoid that should tell you everything |
| 01:02.22 | dgtlmoon | great thanks |
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| 01:08.57 | woshty | is there a way to tell insserv not to do anything with certain scripts? i have a host running squeeze inside a openvz and some skripts are added that to not have insserv headers .. |
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| 01:11.55 | Nai-ux | i am trying to find why a system was given the reboot init 6 instruction at 9:00:09 |
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| 01:12.26 | Nai-ux | at the moment looking through cron.hourly scripts , but the syslog/messages look like a normal reboot command was given |
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| 01:21.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do I list what command aliases I have made in the past so I can sort through them and delete the ones I don't use anymore? |
| 01:21.55 | Nai-ux | edit the .bashrc or .bash_aliases file? |
| 01:22.02 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, its a builting-- type alias alone |
| 01:22.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok thanks |
| 01:23.37 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, u also of course know that aliases are set in bash startup scripts... first system-wide then from ~ |
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| 01:25.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | perfect thank you |
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| 01:25.57 | Nai-ux | here is more info on my reboot issue, it looks like there was some kind of reboot-login happening, but why? http://www.pastebin.ca/1992824 |
| 01:26.28 | Mansoor_ | Hi guys, i need to install new 2.6.36 kernel on my webserver but actually im really confused in menuconfig section. i've just opened it and dont know what i haveto do. i followed several guides but no one was succesfull. anybody can help me? please |
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| 01:27.32 | Bushmills | it is difficult to help you to the effect of unconfusing you about the menuconfig section |
| 01:28.27 | Mansoor_ | im following this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch i did the menuconfig section but after that nothing to do! |
| 01:28.29 | Bushmills | there are help texts about many choices you can do |
| 01:28.50 | Bushmills | maybe you could work on unconfusing yourself by reading those |
| 01:29.04 | yagoo | Nai-ux, isn't that a vmware machine? |
| 01:29.53 | Bushmills | "after that nothing" .. using make-kpkg? |
| 01:30.10 | Nai-ux | yagoo: yes it is, and i need to know why it rebooted itself |
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| 01:30.51 | Mansoor_ | wait a moment i will try once more and tell you the result step by step when i run menuconfig then if i miss something, please tell me |
| 01:31.29 | yagoo | Mansoor_, step by step? compiling a kernel can take hours |
| 01:31.39 | Bushmills | you must be kidding |
| 01:32.00 | Bushmills | besides, i don't know your hardware |
| 01:32.02 | Mansoor_ | its not starting for me, thats my problem! |
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| 01:32.12 | yagoo | Nai-ux, maybe look into the vmware tools.. maybe the host (the physical host).. went to sleep and vmware triggered sleep or something.. |
| 01:32.30 | Bushmills | "not starting" .. kernel doesn't boot? |
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| 01:33.03 | Mansoor_ | No, im in old version and kernel compile process dosnt start for me after menuconfig |
| 01:33.06 | Nai-ux | yagoo: the debian system is the physical host, how does "system boot" access the reboot function, i will sabotage it now |
| 01:33.21 | Bushmills | how do you try to start it? |
| 01:33.31 | Mansoor_ | now im on menuconfig and i just selected "Load an Alternate Configuratio" |
| 01:33.52 | Bushmills | you save config, and exit. then you use make-kpkg |
| 01:33.53 | yagoo | Nai-ux, I'm merely taking a wildguest about vmwaretools... |
| 01:34.02 | Mansoor_ | here is just written the .config |
| 01:34.04 | yagoo | Nai-ux, did you install vmwaretools ? |
| 01:34.13 | Bushmills | that must be written in the hosto |
| 01:34.15 | Bushmills | howto |
| 01:34.21 | Nai-ux | yagoo: no i didn't install vmware tools, the logs seem to say it was rebooted |
| 01:34.47 | yagoo | Nai-ux, ask #vmware and ask how to install vmwaretools for the guest hosts |
| 01:35.07 | Nai-ux | yagoo: but why? |
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| 01:35.10 | Mansoor_ | im not running on virtual |
| 01:35.17 | yagoo | Nai-ux, cuse vmware is closed source ? |
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| 01:35.29 | yagoo | !vmware |
| 01:35.29 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:36.51 | Mansoor_ | i saved the configuration and now im in command line where i entered "make-kpkg clean" command |
| 01:37.15 | Nai-ux | yagoo: i dont think it's a vmware related issue, im looking at some search results for the wtmp output, but we'll see. thanks |
| 01:39.18 | Mansoor_ | clean process ended and now i entered the command "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom2.6.36" |
| 01:39.50 | Mansoor_ | there was a long process and system returnes this message "nothing to be done" |
| 01:40.20 | Bushmills | there should be a .deb file with your new kernel |
| 01:40.43 | Mansoor_ | where? |
| 01:40.54 | Mansoor_ | in linux directory? |
| 01:40.59 | Bushmills | in a subdir of /usr/src/linux |
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| 01:41.29 | Mansoor_ | no there is not |
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| 01:48.49 | Bushmills | Mansoor_: what does find /usr/src/linux -name *.deb show? |
| 01:49.35 | Mansoor_ | nothing |
| 01:50.09 | Bushmills | then you need to detail "there was a long process" a bit more |
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| 01:51.10 | Bushmills | especially lines containg "Error" are of particular interest |
| 01:51.20 | Mansoor_ | i've tried this command: "make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image" and it seems going to be compile |
| 01:51.38 | somiaj | Mansoor_: its because you forgot to append "kernel_image" at the end of your line to tell it tomake a kernel_image |
| 01:52.13 | somiaj | Mansoor_: since you didn't tell it to do anything, it finised since there was 'nothing to be done' |
| 01:52.44 | Mansoor_ | somiaj ohh god, you are right |
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| 01:53.12 | Mansoor_ | i actually didnt figured to this lill text that was the key! |
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| 01:53.47 | Bushmills | somiaj: good catch :) |
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| 02:05.53 | Tobias| | What differences would I see from a user perspective between debian with the linux kernel and kfreebsd? |
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| 02:44.14 | bittwist` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.14 | bittwist` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.14 | bittwist` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.14 | bittwist` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.13 | eliasp | WTF? |
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| 02:45.30 | sinedeviance | eliasp: ignore, its a spammer. |
| 02:45.55 | Devastator | SASL? |
| 02:45.58 | Devastator | lol |
| 02:46.03 | Devastator | i think he means SSL |
| 02:46.14 | sinedeviance | no, i think he's just full of shit. |
| 02:46.15 | sinedeviance | :D |
| 02:46.20 | eliasp | yes, i know it's spammer... staff would never notice this way |
| 02:46.20 | Devastator | that too |
| 02:46.38 | KB1JWQ | It requires no comment. |
| 02:46.39 | bp0 | whats the objective there |
| 02:46.58 | dondelelcaro | Devastator: SASL is another method of transport security, like TLS |
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| 02:47.20 | peppe | strange kind of spam |
| 02:47.20 | Devastator | dondelelcaro thanks, wasn't aware of that |
| 02:47.34 | Devastator | bp0 massjoin freenode channel? |
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| 02:48.07 | bp0 | what does bittwist or whoever gain from convincing people to turn on SASL? |
| 02:48.37 | bp0 | oh oh i |
| 02:48.40 | bp0 | .. c |
| 02:48.56 | bp0 | trying to get everyone to join #freenode for info |
| 02:49.03 | bp0 | huh |
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| 02:53.07 | nich0s | Cute/ |
| 02:53.45 | Devastator | this is causing some kind of network lag.. |
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| 03:01.35 | iluminator101 | Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:01.36 | iluminator101 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:01.36 | iluminator101 | is only available from another source |
| 03:01.36 | iluminator101 | ?? |
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| 03:02.42 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: we don't distribute w32codecs, because it would be illegal for us to do so |
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| 03:02.52 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: however, you can find it in debian-multimedia |
| 03:02.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell iluminator101 -about d-m |
| 03:03.23 | iluminator101 | i know w32 is no longer there, its pointed to another package whats the name of the new package called |
| 03:05.18 | iluminator101 | i know where to get else where but...i am used to this repo its reliable, so what of this |
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| 03:05.40 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: the package is still w32codecs |
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| 03:08.43 | iluminator101 | if its still w32codecs how come i am getting this error |
| 03:09.03 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: because you didn't read what dpkg told you, and haven't added the non-free section of debian-multimedia |
| 03:11.55 | iluminator101 | ah thanks |
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| 03:26.35 | KittyKatt | ...why is it ALWAYS in this channel? |
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| 03:26.54 | LoRez | because you guys bitch about it so loudly |
| 03:26.59 | WormFood | because this channel has almost 800 "people" on it |
| 03:27.13 | Spines | What is this about SASL ? |
| 03:27.45 | KB1JWQ | Spam, disregard it. |
| 03:28.08 | Spines | ok, I just wanted to make sure that there was nothing going on, thank you for your time |
| 03:28.16 | KB1JWQ | No worries. |
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| 03:28.43 | dzup2 | i hate when i see a blue color in my pidgin irc chat heh |
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| 03:29.01 | dzup2 | and ...then is not inportant |
| 03:29.11 | dzup2 | s/in/im/g |
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| 03:41.38 | xxiao | anyone used debootstrap to make a rootfs of squeeze, i keep getting 'Unable to determine your tty name' |
| 03:41.55 | xxiao | the inittab is empty, but I did put "ttyS0' and initdefault two lines there |
| 03:42.31 | xxiao | last time i did it was with etch, i'm lost with all those initscript reforms |
| 03:43.31 | xxiao | i can only get access to the filesystem bu appending 'init=/bin/bash', otherwise it won't let me login |
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| 03:49.38 | xxiao | got it figured out, inittab typo |
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| 03:50.30 | Nai-ux | \o/ yay for typos |
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| 03:53.16 | theacolyte | I'm looking for the debian equivalent of sdelete - basically "securely deletes" files |
| 03:54.03 | Nai-ux | theacolyte: shred -zu filename |
| 03:54.03 | theacolyte | actually, funny enough, secure-delete looks good |
| 03:54.09 | theacolyte | shred! I like the sound |
| 03:54.53 | Nai-ux | read man page as you may want different options |
| 03:54.59 | theacolyte | got it, thanks a lot |
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| 03:55.13 | theacolyte | 25 iterations seems fine by me (if not even very high) |
| 03:55.18 | Nai-ux | if it really needs to be deleted make the hard drive dissapear |
| 03:55.31 | theacolyte | unfortunately this is a dedicated box, and I'm turning the keys back over |
| 03:55.50 | xxiao | how to disable "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" |
| 03:56.11 | xxiao | i'm login from ttyS0 |
| 03:56.13 | Nai-ux | theacolyte: dban boot and nuke is another way if you wanted to erase the whole disk over and over |
| 03:56.22 | theacolyte | yeah, I use dban if it's local |
| 03:56.27 | theacolyte | server is in MA, I'm in CA hehe |
| 03:56.40 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, there's no way to securely delete with modern hardware without destroying the drive |
| 03:57.01 | KB1JWQ | theacolyte: Where in CA? :-) |
| 03:57.12 | dondelelcaro | (and there's no way to securely delete files with modern filesystems, either) |
| 03:57.15 | theacolyte | sure, but what you can do is take reasonable steps to make sure the next guy that gets a fresh install on this box can't use trivial methods to revoery my files |
| 03:57.25 | theacolyte | KB1JWQ: SFBA |
| 03:57.41 | dondelelcaro | theacolyte: then you might as well just write zeros to the drive |
| 03:57.44 | theacolyte | I have a degausser at work I use actually |
| 03:57.50 | theacolyte | dondelelcaro: Planning on it, once I 0 out the files |
| 03:57.51 | KB1JWQ | Ah, I'm about 5 hours south. |
| 03:57.56 | theacolyte | KB1JWQ: SLO? |
| 03:58.08 | dondelelcaro | theacolyte: even a degausser isn't enough, actually |
| 03:58.21 | dondelelcaro | generally it's best to shred the drive |
| 03:58.31 | theacolyte | dondelelcaro: It's good enough for $insert_compliance here |
| 03:58.46 | deepy | Just wait until they figure out that the disks memorize their data even after being over-written |
| 03:59.09 | dondelelcaro | theacolyte: not for any recently written data-security scheme |
| 03:59.18 | theacolyte | dondelelcaro: ?? PCI |
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| 04:03.42 | dondelelcaro | theacolyte: it may be sufficient for PCI, but if so, that just means that PCI is badly written |
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| 04:04.10 | sechrist | what is that sasl crap |
| 04:04.21 | dondelelcaro | sechrist: it's just a spammer. ignore it. |
| 04:04.47 | sechrist | is he wanting me to enable some kind of module for my irc client that is vulnerable to h4x or something? |
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| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | sechrist: it's not on topic here, and it's not required. ask in the channel that is specific to your irc client if you have questions |
| 04:05.47 | tharkun | Good morning gentlemen, Do you have an alternative to openoffice. It seems it will no longer be around us |
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| 04:06.18 | Nai-ux | tharkun: have you heard of the recent split Libre Office ? |
| 04:06.51 | Nai-ux | tharkun: i would be interested where you read that openoffice is stopping? |
| 04:08.06 | arvind_khadri | hi, erm is the SASL stuff spam? |
| 04:08.13 | tharkun | Nai-ux: Actually i didn't read it. It was a coffee shop talk. I am researching the isue at this moment. Since there is a recent split it gives me something to think about. |
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| 04:09.06 | dondelelcaro | arvind_khadri: yes |
| 04:09.23 | arvind_khadri | dondelelcaro, :) thanks ... |
| 04:09.33 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: we'll be distributing openoffice for the time being, but odds are we'll switch to libre office, or distribute both, or some combination thereof |
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| 04:10.25 | sechrist | OpenOffice liberated? what happened to openoffice? Some company gulp it up and put some weird licensing on it? |
| 04:11.00 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks. I'll further research Libre Office then. |
| 04:11.07 | Nai-ux | sechrist: oracle has it |
| 04:11.12 | sechrist | cringes |
| 04:11.27 | Nai-ux | this is more on topic in the #libreoffice and #FSF channels |
| 04:11.56 | tharkun | Actually what bothers me most is that Oracle also bought MySql |
| 04:12.39 | Nai-ux | tharkun: and killed their support pricing http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/oracle_mysql_price_hike/ |
| 04:12.40 | sechrist | the licensing doesn't change unless you want to distribute something that compiles it in |
| 04:12.46 | sechrist | that being said: drizzle |
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| 04:17.16 | tharkun | Nai-ux: thx for the link at leas it gives some fresh air to this overwhelming situation |
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| 04:19.49 | danols | hi all |
| 04:20.34 | danols | I installed php in cgi mode than I uninstalled and installed in mod-php but now I get this error URL /local-bin/php-cgi/index.php |
| 04:21.00 | danols | guessing the uninstall didn't remove some setting where can I begin to figure this out? |
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| 04:21.37 | sam113101 | X doesn't launch when I have a .xinitrc file in my home folder |
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| 04:23.04 | danols | nevermind figured it out |
| 04:23.10 | danols | in /etc/apache/conf.d :) |
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| 04:25.59 | stew | sam113101: you are running startx? |
| 04:26.05 | sam113101 | yes |
| 04:26.39 | stew | sam113101: show us the output and the contents of .xiinitrc ; use a pastebin |
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| 04:27.42 | sam113101 | content of .xinitrc : |
| 04:27.44 | sam113101 | xset -r 22 |
| 04:27.44 | sam113101 | xset r 66 |
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| 04:27.53 | sam113101 | that's all, really |
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| 04:28.38 | stew | sam113101: right so we should expect X to exit after those two commands are done |
| 04:28.54 | sam113101 | why |
| 04:29.11 | stew | sam113101: because that is all in your .xinitrc |
| 04:29.40 | sam113101 | I just wanted those two commands to run at startup |
| 04:29.42 | stew | sam113101: you'll probably want to start a window manager or DE last, so when that exits your x session quits |
| 04:30.55 | Coweater | you might want those in ~/.profile instead |
| 04:30.57 | sam113101 | so I add exec gnome-session at the end ? |
| 04:31.03 | stew | sam113101: yes |
| 04:31.24 | stew | Coweater: certainly not |
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| 04:31.50 | Coweater | hmm, that's where i run such things, why's that bad? |
| 04:32.17 | stew | Coweater: he logs in to a terminal, those xset commands don't make sense sense since X isn't running. then he runs startx, which doens't run those commands once it does |
| 04:32.23 | stew | Coweater: do you use a DM? |
| 04:32.32 | Coweater | oh i see |
| 04:32.36 | stew | Coweater: or are you logging into a text console? |
| 04:32.38 | stew | or with ssh? |
| 04:32.40 | Coweater | dm |
| 04:33.05 | stew | right, so when you login (which is when .profile is executed) you DO have an X environment |
| 04:33.19 | stew | when you ssh in, they don't make sense still |
| 04:35.26 | sam113101 | let's so I don't have a DE, I'd run the WM instead ? |
| 04:35.48 | stew | sam113101: yes |
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| 04:38.13 | sam113101 | it works now, thanks |
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| 04:39.35 | sam113101 | and why do I write exec gnome-session instead of just gnome-session ? |
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| 04:40.53 | un214 | because you are done with this shell |
| 04:41.05 | un214 | the current process becomes gnome-session that way |
| 04:41.24 | un214 | you could leave the exec off, then you have an extra sh process lying around |
| 04:41.35 | sam113101 | oh |
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| 04:42.57 | sam113101 | and if my last command was xset, it would be exec xset ? |
| 04:43.21 | dondelelcaro | sam113101: no. |
| 04:43.44 | sam113101 | why |
| 04:43.55 | dondelelcaro | sam113101: you want to replace the shell with gnome-session, which will run and not terminate. whatever you exec becomes the login shell for the X session. |
| 04:44.02 | dondelelcaro | sam113101: when it terminates, the X session will terminate. |
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| 04:46.13 | un214 | ever find it amusing that sudo kill -9 1 is harmless? |
| 04:47.02 | dondelelcaro | only in systems which disable killing init |
| 04:47.11 | un214 | which include linux 2.6 |
| 04:48.03 | un214 | actually I was rather put off when I discovered that exiting init panics 2.4 & 2.6 |
| 04:48.10 | un214 | 2.0 would just spawn another init |
| 04:48.58 | un214 | useful behavor for init=/bin/sh |
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| 04:54.14 | cesurasean | I'm trying to install jbilling, and it tells me this: 1 - Download and install Java. All you need is the Runtime Environment (JRE). - How exactly do I install this on debian squeeze? |
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| 04:57.01 | stew | cesurasean: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre |
| 04:57.12 | cesurasean | stew, thank you |
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| 05:04.42 | cesurasean | stew, i got a 404 |
| 05:05.01 | cesurasean | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openjdk-6/openjdk-6-jre-lib_6b18-1.8.1-2_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
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| 05:05.53 | stew | cesurasean: you need to aptitude update |
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| 05:07.00 | cesurasean | sorry. i forgot about that. |
| 05:08.01 | cesurasean | is this the same as installing tomcat? |
| 05:08.12 | cesurasean | or is tomcat separate? |
| 05:08.35 | stew | tomcat is separate. you might "apt-cache search -n tomcat" to find packages with "tomcat" in the name |
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| 05:10.55 | voss749 | So when does squeeze become stable? |
| 05:11.20 | d1b | hi guys im a font facist and really |
| 05:11.25 | d1b | the squeeze fonts are TOTALLY UGLY |
| 05:11.29 | dondelelcaro | voss749: when it's ready |
| 05:11.31 | d1b | any idea how i can get nice looking fonts back? |
| 05:11.36 | d1b | dondelelcaro: perhaps you know ^ ^ |
| 05:11.47 | dondelelcaro | d1b: uh... we're still distributing the same fonts |
| 05:11.56 | d1b | dondelelcaro: but now it is chunkier and ugly |
| 05:12.02 | d1b | I know when my fonts change! |
| 05:12.07 | dondelelcaro | d1b: it'd help if you told us which fonts you were talking about, provided a screenshot, etc. |
| 05:12.07 | d1b | i am a font facist! |
| 05:12.12 | d1b | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 05:12.16 | cesurasean | The BASEDIR environment variable is not defined correctly |
| 05:12.16 | cesurasean | This environment variable is needed to run this program |
| 05:12.20 | d1b | i have screenshots :) |
| 05:12.23 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? |
| 05:12.28 | voss749 | Im using Mint Debian which is based on debian testing (currently squeeze) |
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| 05:12.29 | d1b | uploading |
| 05:13.04 | d1b | perhaps it is just gnome |
| 05:14.19 | Nai-ux | how can i reload keyboard driver or something, my ctrl, shift, caps lock keys dont work anymore |
| 05:14.27 | bigbrovar_ | I guys I am new to debian. Trying to setup a web server using lenny and during the install I observed that the partioner detects the only drive on my system as sdb which I found strange. anyway when the installation is done the system complains about not being able to find /dev/sdb8 (or something like that) and it fails to boot. |
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| 05:14.31 | Nai-ux | i cant even grep d; |
| 05:14.44 | bigbrovar_ | does debian lenny use uuid for drive management? |
| 05:15.15 | bigbrovar_ | I repeated the install almost 4 times now and same result |
| 05:15.59 | Nai-ux | did you install grub into the mbr when it asked you/ |
| 05:16.19 | bigbrovar_ | yeah I did |
| 05:16.27 | dondelelcaro | bigbrovar_: lenny doesn't by default, iirc. |
| 05:16.36 | dondelelcaro | bigbrovar_: but it's pretty easy to change over. |
| 05:16.40 | cesurasean | nevermind |
| 05:16.42 | cesurasean | i fixed my problem |
| 05:16.46 | cesurasean | thanks stew! |
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| 05:18.32 | bigbrovar | dondelelcaro: who do I change over or fix the problem. I really don't understand why it sees the only drive on this PC as sdb. I dont even have any external drive or usb connected. |
| 05:18.57 | bigbrovar | I never had this issue with squeeze but I am installing a web app which requires lenny |
| 05:18.58 | dondelelcaro | bigbrovar: it depends on the machine; your cdrom could have been sda, for example |
| 05:19.32 | bigbrovar | hmmm thats weird |
| 05:19.38 | dondelelcaro | bigbrovar: but anyway, assuming you installed to the MBR, and grub starts, you can give it the proper path to the root device, and then boot. |
| 05:19.50 | dondelelcaro | bigbrovar: if it fails to completely boot, you'll have to tell us precisely what the error message is |
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| 05:20.52 | bigbrovar | dondelelcaro: I am in the process of installing it again. I would let you know the error msg this time around |
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| 05:24.48 | tpocra | So I can no longer click and drag my mouse with my thinkpad's trackpad to highlight text or move windows, etc. |
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| 05:24.53 | tpocra | I have to use the clit mouse |
| 05:25.03 | tpocra | otherwise the trackpad seems to be fine, meaning I think it's a software issue |
| 05:25.13 | tpocra | Has this happened to anyone else, or is a known issue perhaps? |
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| 05:30.46 | bigbrovar | dondelelcaro: I am done installing and I can see that while booting detects the drives properly as sda |
| 05:31.36 | bigbrovar | it says something like sad: <4> Driver 'sr" needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
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| 05:31.49 | bigbrovar | sda* not sad |
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| 05:32.29 | bigbrovar | it is now stucked at "waiting for root filesystems" |
| 05:33.44 | bigbrovar | It finally gave up and logs me to a busybox console the final error is /dev/sdb6 does not exist |
| 05:34.07 | muddd | I reinstalled debian with php5 apache2 and mysql, now iceweasel tries to download phtml files. I can't remember how I fixed it before |
| 05:34.15 | muddd | mysql5 |
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| 05:37.40 | bigbrovar | I guess lenny does not like my hardware which really is just dual core hp workstation hardly anything funky hardware wise :( |
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| 05:42.07 | muddd | is this the debian overflow room? |
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| 05:48.57 | cesurasean | how do i enable mod_proxy_html? |
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| 05:50.45 | cesurasean | found it. package libapache2-mod-proxy-html. |
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| 05:52.13 | bigbrovar | anyone else have this issue where a freshly installed debian lenny would not boot because it wrongly detected the single drive on the system as sdb during the partitioning process and when its booting complains that " /dev/sdb6 does not exist " |
| 05:52.39 | bigbrovar | and logs into a busybox console. I am very new to debian |
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| 06:02.38 | simonrvn | shouldn't matter, change where root= is like other "linuxen", then fix it |
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| 06:34.10 | cesurasean | how do i install mod_jk2 on debian squeeze? someone please help! |
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| 06:44.38 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.44 | cesurasean | how do i enable this? |
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| 06:46.11 | dfrank | hello All. I need to make my own IRC log, for this i want to create special user for it (for example, username will be "irc_logger") and automatically start irssi in screen by this user at every system start. Help me please: how do i start "screen irssi" from specified user at system start? |
| 06:47.07 | elik | dfrank: I saw a method using cron @reboot, but I haven't tried it personally yet |
| 06:47.20 | peterrooney | dfrank: cron , check "man 5 crontab" and look for @reboot |
| 06:47.45 | dfrank | elik, peterrooney: thanks guys! sounds good. |
| 06:47.54 | elik | dfrank: alternatively: http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2421-start-screen-irssi-on-boot/ |
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| 06:50.47 | vtts | dfrank, or you could add something like "su -c 'screen ...' user" to startup scripts |
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| 06:58.37 | Andy1978 | Hi at all. I build Debian Live with http://pastebin.com/6gu9W3S1 on a amd64 squeeze but after boot and entering the AES password (length=25) I get the error: LOOP_SET_STATUS, invalid argument, reguested cipher or key length 256bits not supported by kernel. Any hints on that? |
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| 06:59.09 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! |
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| 07:01.05 | he2 | i have to configure my alsa after every start |
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| 07:06.16 | tuv | he2: configure what exactly? |
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| 07:11.32 | he2 | tuv: i have to start 'alsaconf' before i do have sound |
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| 07:12.10 | nsadmin | alsaconf is gone... what version of debian do you run? |
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| 07:12.46 | nsadmin | also alsaconf is more for isa cards; do you have this kind of older hardware? |
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| 07:14.17 | he2 | nsadmin: i'm using 5.0.1 |
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| 07:14.37 | he2 | nsadmin: and ich think, i have a intel hda card |
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| 07:15.36 | nsadmin | I'd be curious as to what modules are loaded after a boot and before you run alsaconf |
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| 07:17.12 | he2 | nsadmin: tell me how to find out and i will tell you |
| 07:18.08 | nsadmin | I would think you'd have to reboot, log in as root, run lsmod > ~/lsmod-log.txt |
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| 07:19.31 | nsadmin | note, I'm just curious... I may or (more likely) may not be able to help you. I can ask questions you think through which may yield answers |
| 07:21.21 | he2 | nsadmin: hmmm i have no time to reboot. i have to learn. |
| 07:21.25 | nsadmin | but one thing is for sure from your description: your sound does not work until alsaconf runs |
| 07:21.30 | he2 | maybe this evening |
| 07:21.51 | nsadmin | ok, no problem... have fun |
| 07:22.20 | he2 | do i use a new version of debian? |
| 07:22.39 | nsadmin | 5 is lenny, latest stable |
| 07:22.45 | he2 | because i had the feeling, that my source.list isn't working well |
| 07:22.50 | he2 | and 5.0.1 |
| 07:22.53 | he2 | is well? |
| 07:23.14 | he2 | 5.0.6 i mean |
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| 07:23.40 | nsadmin | you could pastebin your sources.list |
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| 07:26.14 | nsadmin | other than that, there's no way for anyone to evaluate your sources.list, other than yourself and anyone you've showed it to |
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| 07:35.02 | Bushmills | run xev and make it full-screen |
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| 07:57.15 | time_squatter | I have a question. I'm trying to compile alsa-driver from source, but when I do ./configure it says "Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution" |
| 07:57.20 | time_squatter | how do I "Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution"? |
| 07:57.42 | time_squatter | I mean... how do I get full kernel sources? |
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| 07:57.59 | osfd | Hi there, I still have troubles with amarok.... http://pastebin.com/banrbWyR it crashes :( |
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| 08:00.06 | time_squatter | osfd, do you know how to get the full kernel sources for debian? |
| 08:00.43 | osfd | time_squatter: Hi dude, if I knew I would have answered you ;) |
| 08:00.53 | dimir | MORNINK! |
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| 08:02.51 | osfd | if I run amarok as root it crashes too |
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| 08:08.26 | plt2 | Do any the programmers that work on debian release hang around this channel? |
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| 08:19.05 | SolomonKull | I'm looking for a window manager independant right-click menu. Does anyone know if this exists? |
| 08:19.20 | SPF | plt2: I'm sure they do |
| 08:19.50 | SolomonKull | Such as the openbox menu, but without openbox? |
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| 08:29.14 | bohne | hi, i need help investigating memory problems: http://pastebin.com/KWdSArnj |
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| 08:30.14 | bohne | This is a debian 5.0.4 on an embedded device (ARM architecture) which has memory problems ... occorung maybe 1 day of 3 weeks or so |
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| 08:42.01 | poisonbit | Hello, /me looking for a dedicated servers provider in USA (i'm from europe) that works with Debian... |
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| 08:42.19 | poisonbit | all godaddy options for 64 bits are centos |
| 08:42.48 | poisonbit | someone from usa or that knows about usa providers? |
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| 08:46.48 | b3hnam | Hey all |
| 08:48.49 | b3hnam | I use internet via Mobile Broad Band in network manager and now I want use L2TP VPN but in VPN tab of network manager ADD button is disable,How can I resolve this problem ? |
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| 08:49.50 | iaj | lo there ) |
| 08:50.00 | iaj | what's an easy way to disable pc speaker :S? |
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| 08:53.45 | mariusv | poisonbit: i work with serverloft and they are super ok |
| 08:54.24 | scoobertron | iaj: if it crops up in alsameter, you can just mute it - this is what I do. |
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| 08:55.39 | b3hnam | How can I connect to a L2TP vpn in debian (gnome) ? |
| 08:55.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | iaj: remove the pc speaker module |
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| 08:59.31 | iaj | Kamping_Kaiser: no easier way.. that's working out of the box? |
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| 08:59.43 | iaj | or .. how would I remove the module.. modprobe -X ..? |
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| 09:00.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | iaj: easier way? :| `rmmod pcspkr` is about as easy as it gets |
| 09:00.33 | iaj | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks! oops thought you ment recompile the kernel |
| 09:00.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyway gl, bbl |
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| 09:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | recompile the kernel! |
| 09:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're mad, got mad pills, do you? |
| 09:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell iaj -about blacklist |
| 09:10.40 | b3hnam | debhelper: hi |
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| 09:18.54 | kevin8x | $dmesg|grep Error |
| 09:19.13 | kevin8x | PM:Error -22 checking image file |
| 09:19.41 | kevin8x | can someboey tell me why? |
| 09:19.59 | iaj | CutMeOwnThroat: ohhh I should refer to your nickname here :) Thanks... that's a much more easier solution heh :) |
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| 09:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | b3hnam, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=network-manager-gnome |
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| 09:24.11 | bohne | hi, i need help investigating memory problems: http://pastebin.com/KWdSArnj |
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| 09:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | b3hnam, also look at /usr/share/doc/network-manager-gnome/README.Debian and the network-manager docu referred therein... if none of that provides a clue, I would file a bug-report on it... |
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| 09:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's two bugs on vpn together with it... |
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| 09:29.46 | iaj | how can I switch the keyboard layout? |
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| 09:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | using about 10 different methods |
| 09:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... in gnome there's a preferences/keyboard section |
| 09:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... |
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| 09:35.16 | iaj | CutMeOwnThroat: this one doesn't have X .. only on ttys |
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| 09:45.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !keymap |
| 09:45.24 | dpkg | Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X. |
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| 09:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | b3.... oh, gorn |
| 09:46.24 | nsadmin | how does the console keymap interact with the x keymap? |
| 09:46.29 | Number5_ | Hello guys, my debian lenny forces a disk check every 30 times of rebooting. I want to disable it, does anyone know how? |
| 09:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, afaik: not |
| 09:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext2? |
| 09:47.21 | nsadmin | Number5_: try man hdparm (BUT this is NOT recommended. also, you need to create a full backup plan and strategy) |
| 09:47.45 | nsadmin | having said that... have fun. |
| 09:48.12 | Number5_ | nsadmin: no, I don't want to take the risk. |
| 09:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5_, ext2? |
| 09:48.37 | Number5_ | I assume ext3 as I'm using Lenny |
| 09:48.46 | nsadmin | then, make sure you have a backup plan and strategy |
| 09:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !assume |
| 09:48.58 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW. |
| 09:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to the thingy where you make an ass out of u and me when you assume? |
| 09:49.37 | nsadmin | Number5_... what is the actual problem you're directly experiencing? |
| 09:50.05 | Number5_ | I'm pretty sure it's ext3, but I'm carefull, that's why I assume. Before I really do it, I'll check to be sure. |
| 09:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway: look up what filesystem it is, it's like going to the doctor and saying "I have a vague pain somewhere, but I can't tell you where, but it's really intense sometimes" |
| 09:50.35 | nsadmin | so, as far as you know there's no way to be absolutely sure? |
| 09:50.57 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat, "... but not right now" |
| 09:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, right! |
| 09:51.58 | nsadmin | that just goes to show ya, it's always something... |
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| 09:52.40 | Number5_ | Guys, I think it's not important what filesystem I have, the fact is at bootup, after 30 times, it triggers a filesystem check, which takes some time before it finish. After that 3verything is normal. But my box will be used as a blackbox, with no monitor, keyboard or mouse. Only a bluetooth connection with a pda. |
| 09:53.00 | nsadmin | so you're now saying you're not willing to provide information? |
| 09:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't ask if it wasn't important |
| 09:53.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can change the frequency with tune2fs |
| 09:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'll give you an answer fitting to the question: draw a magic rune on your computer (can't tell you which) and chant a mystic chant (can't tell you the words) while dancing around it three times and it'll go away |
| 09:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | gotta do it PROPERLY, though |
| 09:54.03 | Number5_ | nsadmin: ??? what's wrong with you? Tom satisfy you, it has an ext3 FS, I know since I installed a fresh Lenny, which is by default an ext3 |
| 09:54.06 | nsadmin | you have to be facing east... or up... |
| 09:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5_, ext3 should NEVER get checked, as it's got a journal |
| 09:54.35 | nsadmin | Number5_: you're the one asking for our help |
| 09:54.53 | Number5_ | hahahahaha |
| 09:55.00 | Number5_ | you guys are funny really. |
| 09:55.02 | nsadmin | recognize the amount of money you're paying for service |
| 09:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5_, would different if it's mounted as ext2, which would be WRONG |
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| 09:55.16 | Dewi | Number5_: check frequency is totally FS dependent |
| 09:55.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | sighs and shakes head |
| 09:55.30 | Dewi | Number5_: I don't know why you'd think it wouldn't be? |
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| 09:56.06 | Number5_ | anyway, I'll check further and come back later when resolved it, so you know what I'm talking about. |
| 09:56.19 | nsadmin | Number5_: so is it that you want to see others as being funny or is it that you authentically want help |
| 09:56.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Number5_: my answer from efore is /still/ correct. |
| 09:56.53 | Number5_ | nsadmin: no, it's funny how you guys come with responses :) |
| 09:56.55 | nsadmin | right now you're matching a lot of patterns which have been used by trolls in the past |
| 09:57.12 | Number5_ | Kamping_Kaiser: aaah I missed that. |
| 09:57.33 | Number5_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I think that's the solution. I'll check it out. |
| 09:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, it's what I thought, too - but he could mount ext3 as ext2, which would probably give the same behavior and then correct action would not be to just change that, but mount as ext3 ... |
| 09:57.37 | Dewi | Number5_: you don't want to take risks, but you want people to play a guessing game with your system, and it's funny that we think that's unusual... hmmmm |
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| 09:57.43 | nsadmin | Number5_: IF YOU WANT FREE HELP, BE COOPERATIVE. |
| 09:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, bit difficult if someone refuses to answer basic questions |
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| 09:58.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Number5_: gl |
| 09:58.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, lifes full of small challenges though (cough) |
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| 09:58.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: gday :0 |
| 09:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | rite |
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| 09:58.55 | nsadmin | otherwise, there are many here who are talented and can help you, at their normal rate (which is probably minimum $150/hour) |
| 09:58.57 | Number5_ | Dewi, nsadmin, please, don't blow things up. Maybe I wasn't clear about what I want to ask. This doesn't mean we have to be angry at each other. Be happy, not irritated. |
| 09:59.17 | themill | !next |
| 09:59.18 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:59.19 | nsadmin | Number5_: you were the one who refused to supply information |
| 09:59.33 | nsadmin | don't put this on me |
| 09:59.42 | Number5_ | And I really appreciate your help, that is one thing you should know about me. I'm nothing without your help. |
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| 10:00.11 | nsadmin | I'll differ with that as well; you're -not- nothing in any case. |
| 10:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... I think we provided as many pointers as possible with the current information, so perhaps it's time to drop it now... |
| 10:00.16 | Dewi | Number5_: sure. Anyway you can also use an fs_passno of 0 in your /etc/fstab. I've done so on some larger, less critical storage areas, but I wouldn't do it on root |
| 10:01.06 | nsadmin | Number5_: so, do you know how you can find out the facts? |
| 10:01.19 | Number5_ | Ok, thnx to you all. I'll try tune2fs like Kamping_Kaiser suggested me |
| 10:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5_, check on stuff first! |
| 10:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5_, look in /etc/fstab what you''re mounting it as |
| 10:01.43 | Number5_ | nsadmin: we will see... I'll let you when I'm back. |
| 10:02.15 | nsadmin | he's still unusually unwilling... but, he wants to do it himself I guess |
| 10:02.47 | nsadmin | that's perfectly ok, except at any point of him asking a question |
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| 10:04.09 | nsadmin | I don't actually know why he's unwilling... either there's not a separate reason (intrinsically unwilling) or there is a reason, like the computer is in the other room or somethign |
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| 10:13.16 | Number5_ | Ok here's the deal. When my Lenny boots up, it checks how may times it has mounted to my HDD (sda1). If it reaches 31 times, it forces a fscheck. Now, since fschck is doing an important job and it's recommended, I modified the max mount times befor it performs a fschk to 70 times. Now my problem solved. Thank you everybody. |
| 10:13.43 | rethus | i have a debian server. if i have a look on /var/log/messages/ i didn't see many logs... thats strange for me... normaly - on other server - there are thousend of looks like denied access to ssh and other stuff. |
| 10:13.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Number5_: wd :) |
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| 10:14.04 | Number5_ | did the follwoing: tune2fs -c 70 /dev/sda1 |
| 10:14.05 | rethus | how can i increment verbosity of the logs? |
| 10:14.11 | Number5_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you :) |
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| 10:14.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:14.31 | Pippo1 | sale a tutti :) |
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| 10:14.36 | Pippo1 | *salve |
| 10:14.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | rethus: what are you looking for? auth stuff is in /var/log/auth |
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| 10:15.28 | rethus | Kamping_Kaiser: k, there i have some logs, but no access-denied... |
| 10:15.37 | rethus | thats strange, cause ssh run on default-port |
| 10:15.39 | internat | Gday All, im corious to know if anyone has any recommendations for a gfx card (nvidia) that works well under linux, capable of playing 1080p media, and if possible supports audio over hdmi.. |
| 10:15.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | rethus: what do you want to find out? |
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| 10:16.28 | rethus | i have other server, and there are many logs for ssh - if it runs on a default-port |
| 10:16.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | rethus: does that box have proper firewalls? no hostname? behind another firewall? just because its a server doesn't mean its going to have logs full of crap. |
| 10:16.30 | Number5_ | rethus: Kamping_Kaiser already told you that you have to look at /var/log/auth. |
| 10:17.00 | rethus | its strange for me, that there are no log of unauthorized access. |
| 10:17.11 | Number5_ | Cause you configure to direct some types of error to a particular file or filter out some loggings etc... |
| 10:17.21 | tecneeq | hi gents. dude says tasksel tasks are largely deprecated in favor of meta-packages, did anyone hear something like that before? |
| 10:17.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | rethus: auth and syslog are where you'll find that detail |
| 10:17.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | tecneeq: bollocks |
| 10:17.56 | rethus | in auth.log i have many logs like this: |
| 10:17.57 | rethus | pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 10:17.57 | rethus | pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 10:18.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | internat: fraid not |
| 10:18.09 | nsadmin | Number5_, take a look at your file /etc/fstab |
| 10:18.17 | nsadmin | does it make sense to you? |
| 10:18.34 | rethus | i use ssl-key-authentication... are this unautorized login attempts? |
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| 10:25.19 | nsadmin | tecneeq: they are metapackages |
| 10:25.36 | nsadmin | but not all metapackages are task packages |
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| 10:27.31 | iceroot | at what part/file of the debian-cd/installation i can say what modules needs to be loaded for the installation? atm i have to use "modprobe cdrom; modprobe usb-storage" is there a file i can name that modules and rebuild a cd? |
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| 10:29.05 | tecneeq | nsadmin: hmm, are you sure? the task ,,gnome-desktop'' doesn't seem to have a meta-package with that name. |
| 10:29.49 | nsadmin | I think that would be called gnome |
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| 10:30.52 | tecneeq | nsadmin: the problem i face is that i get 55 packages when i type this: tasksel -t --task-packages gnome-desktop --task-packages german-desktop --task-packages desktop |
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| 10:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | what is the problem? |
| 10:32.01 | tecneeq | nsadmin: i use puppet to ensure packags are installed, but puppet doesn't understand tasks yet. so i have to build the list of packages with the mentioned command |
| 10:32.26 | tecneeq | then puppet calls 55 times aptitutde or apt-get |
| 10:32.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | tecneeq: puppet can run arbitrary commands though, just run what you just pasted here |
| 10:32.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | it better anyway o.0 |
| 10:33.02 | tecneeq | right, exec is what i use right now. but i would like to see it as a package provider |
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| 10:33.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | surely thats puppets problem? |
| 10:34.14 | tecneeq | it is, that's why i asked if tasks are deprecated |
| 10:34.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, is the short answer |
| 10:34.25 | tecneeq | in wich case i wouldn't bother |
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| 10:35.17 | tecneeq | ok, that established, are there namespace conflicts between tasks and packages? are there packages that have the same name a task has |
| 10:35.28 | tecneeq | AFAIK that's not the case |
| 10:36.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | tasksel --list has a list of task names |
| 10:36.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | none of them look to me like they cdonflict |
| 10:36.38 | tecneeq | right |
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| 10:38.52 | nsadmin | puppet is the perl6 implementation? |
| 10:38.57 | nsadmin | wait, that's parrot |
| 10:39.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
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| 10:48.20 | tecneeq | nsadmin: nope, puppet is a configuration management system written in ruby. quite good actually. |
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| 10:53.59 | Phil | anyone have any idea how a user would give permission for another user/all users to run GUI apps on their session manager? |
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| 10:57.05 | tecneeq | Phil: the use types ,,xhost +'', then any user can use the display. the remote user types ,,export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0 ; xterm'' and the xterm will appear remote |
| 10:57.37 | tecneeq | Phil: you can omit the hostname if you are working on the same host |
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| 10:58.06 | holms | hello , can please somebody help me with keys? "Server refused our key" always appears, this key is converted with puttygen... default key has another error anyway, i tried billion of manuals already |
| 10:58.13 | Phil | user running the xserver does what, sorry? :S |
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| 10:58.28 | tecneeq | Phil: does that: xhost + |
| 10:59.50 | Phil | ok, so that says access control is disabled and clients can connect from any host |
| 11:00.30 | Phil | then doing "export DISPLAY=:0 ; firefox" as root on the same box gives an error |
| 11:00.35 | tecneeq | right. now the remote user exports the display used to display the window: export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0 |
| 11:00.39 | Phil | "Authentication Rejected" |
| 11:01.00 | tecneeq | strange, let me test this |
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| 11:01.30 | holms | anybody =/? |
| 11:02.06 | tecneeq | Phil: works fine for me |
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| 11:02.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | holms: what do the logs say? |
| 11:02.30 | Phil | tecneeq, it runs but it ignores the command line arguments |
| 11:03.20 | Phil | Authentication Rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 11:04.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Phil: what protocol did you specify? |
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| 11:04.56 | Phil | Kamping_Kaiser, I didn't specify anything - just following what tecneeq said |
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| 11:05.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok, i'll leave you with him then |
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| 11:06.32 | Phil | as I said, it runs but ignores the command line arguments |
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| 11:06.51 | Phil | and throws that error |
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| 11:07.48 | tecneeq | sorry dude, xhost is all i know and use |
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| 11:13.06 | Phil | anyone else have any idea? |
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| 11:23.39 | mrcarrot | i have a interesting problem... i have to "clone" a server to another. |
| 11:23.54 | mrcarrot | this would be easy except for one detail |
| 11:23.57 | Phil | mrcarrot, dd is your friend |
| 11:24.06 | mrcarrot | the new server will use software raid |
| 11:24.21 | Phil | not so much of a clone, really |
| 11:24.26 | mrcarrot | that means that sda1 will become md0 |
| 11:24.41 | mrcarrot | and that fstab will be updated and such |
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| 11:25.16 | mrcarrot | where do debian store all the settings, because each time i do dist-upgrade it will revert everything back to sda from the mirror |
| 11:25.31 | yuri___ | Good morning. I've got serious troubles booting Debian on LVM root partition. |
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| 11:26.08 | mrcarrot | and the second question, is debian creating by itself a initrd... i mean, will it have the modules for to boot a raid system |
| 11:26.20 | yuri___ | from what I can see, initrd doesn't do vgchange -y and no entry is written into /dev/disk/by-label . Is this by design or a bug? |
| 11:26.36 | yuri___ | *vgchange -ay |
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| 11:26.46 | babilen | mumbles initramfs |
| 11:27.05 | yuri___ | that is, I have a LABELed LVM partition |
| 11:27.54 | mrcarrot | i have been doing xfsdumps from the original server... all i have to do is to dump them to the new server... but those two questions are an obstacle before i can proceed to restore them |
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| 11:29.18 | yuri___ | also, does debian have somewhere a list of kernel boot parameters that modify initrd's behaviour? |
| 11:29.54 | yuri___ | like rootdelay, resume, and so on |
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| 11:32.20 | yuri___ | what's the proper way of building initrd? is there any standard procedure? |
| 11:32.50 | CissWit | Hi, i was wondering why there where so many default user in /etc/passwd : mail, news, proxy, www-data, irc, list ... when i have none of this service installed. |
| 11:32.56 | CissWit | were* |
| 11:33.18 | WormFood | think of them as reserved users...so you don't use them by mistake |
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| 11:33.48 | WormFood | that way it keeps the names and UIDs uniform across different installs |
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| 11:34.45 | CissWit | hum ok. |
| 11:35.23 | WormFood | they're disabled by default. They are not a security risk (or should not be) |
| 11:35.44 | yuri___ | how do I find out what scripts are run when package is installed? |
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| 11:35.57 | WormFood | also, if you have a files from another machine, when you look at the owner, you'll get the name instead of the uid |
| 11:36.18 | WormFood | yuri___, read the dpkg docs |
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| 11:37.25 | yuri___ | WormFood: could you tell me the specific option, please? |
| 11:37.37 | yuri___ | I know how to list contents and info, but I want scripts |
| 11:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell yuri___ -about postrm |
| 11:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the postinstall ones are in the same place |
| 11:38.11 | WormFood | if I did that, then I'd have to do the same thing I just told you to do....read the docs....if I remember correctly, dpkg will show you that info, but I don't remember the specifics |
| 11:39.17 | yuri___ | I can't unpack it, no free space |
| 11:39.34 | yuri___ | is there anything like rpm -q --scripts pack.rpm |
| 11:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
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| 11:44.55 | iaj | is there a possibilty that I can't sudo apt-get install zsh if I'm still on etch?! |
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| 11:45.08 | iaj | or is something wrogn with my sources.list then? |
| 11:45.39 | stew | iaj: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 11:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error do you get |
| 11:45.56 | stew | iaj: but you should be considering moving to lenny; support for etch was dropped a long time ago |
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| 11:46.21 | iaj | stew: I know.. im going to .. but I cannot afford to now - since there are a lot of employees working on the database |
| 11:46.29 | yuri___ | what are PREREQ in initrd, what they denote? |
| 11:46.41 | yuri___ | in initrd scripts dir |
| 11:46.48 | iaj | CutMeOwnThroat: sec..ill tell you in a sec. |
| 11:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, if a program uses GTK+/GDK would that force it to have an open-source license? |
| 11:47.22 | yuri___ | okay, is there any guide for booting off LVM in debian or this isn't supported? |
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| 11:49.43 | gusnan | CutMeOwnThroat, No, GTK is licensed under LGPL, which allows to be linked by a non-lgpl'd program. |
| 11:49.59 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: as long as your program doesn't actually contain the gtk librarires |
| 11:50.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
| 11:50.22 | gusnan | CutMeOwnThroat, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License , "Differences from the GPL" |
| 11:50.24 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: just read the lgpl-2 section 5 |
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| 11:50.41 | stew | its straightforward reading |
| 11:51.09 | BlackFate | hello, i m trying to setup apache2 authentication with pam. I read about libapache2-mod-authnz-external (which is available only at the backports repo). To authenticate with pam it requires an external program called pwauth which i cant find in the repos. Is there any alternative? |
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| 11:51.38 | stew | judd: versions pwauth |
| 11:51.40 | judd | Package pwauth on i386 -- sid: 2.3.8-1; squeeze: 2.3.8-1 |
| 11:51.43 | stew | BlackFate: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, could have looked up what license it is on the gtk homepage |
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| 11:52.35 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: you could also look up the license in /usr/share/doc/libgtk-2.0-0/copyright, |
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| 11:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... I was actually scanning through different programs that are mostly closed-source and one of them was using gtk (and it wasn't obvious what license that program had)... asked before thinking it through how easily I could have answered it myself, sorry |
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| 11:55.28 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: no worries, were just trying to help you help yourself :) |
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| 12:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sometimes typing faster than I think... |
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| 12:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, specially when my thought is actually still somewhere else and I haven't yet really arrived at the side-track |
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| 12:05.42 | tagtag | hi all |
| 12:06.11 | yuri___ | I see debian installer allows me to select LVM install. How is that possible that initrd doesn't have vgchange -ay ? |
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| 12:06.49 | tagtag | i've installed linux image 2.6.32 via backport on lenny, but now I have sound from hardware ( on previous kernel, I had removed pcspkr ) |
| 12:07.16 | babilen | tagtag: You can blacklist the module |
| 12:07.21 | Lonniebiz | Hey, I've been using Ubuntu since 7.04; I want to use debian now for my laptop. What the best image to download? |
| 12:07.37 | tagtag | babilen: I did, pcspkr is not loaded anymore |
| 12:07.46 | Lonniebiz | How about this live testing image http://live.debian.net/ ???? |
| 12:07.49 | tagtag | babilen: but with new kernel, I think there is a new other module |
| 12:08.23 | babilen | !tell Lonniebiz -about netinstall |
| 12:08.33 | Lonniebiz | link? |
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| 12:08.55 | Lonniebiz | Totally new to debian, need a little direction to get started. |
| 12:09.08 | abrotman | started with what? |
| 12:09.10 | Lonniebiz | I like Ubuntu Live CDs, is that a bad idea on debian? |
| 12:09.34 | Lonniebiz | and I need to have all the same apt on debian, I do on ubuntu (most of them anyway). |
| 12:09.58 | abrotman | okay, so why not just use ubuntu? |
| 12:10.00 | tagtag | babilen: any other idea ? :p |
| 12:10.09 | Lonniebiz | I know everything you need to know about Ubuntu, but not debian. |
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| 12:10.20 | babilen | tagtag: Well, there are different ways to disable the bell. |
| 12:10.33 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: well, Ubuntu and Debian are not the same .. so they don't work the same, and you won't have the same packages |
| 12:10.39 | Lonniebiz | Well, isn't Ubuntu just a middle man for me? |
| 12:10.50 | babilen | !tell tagtag about bell |
| 12:11.18 | sylarrr | which DNS daemon is recomended? |
| 12:11.31 | babilen | tagtag: And I don't think that the pcspkr module changed its name |
| 12:11.46 | babilen | sylarrr: bind9 -- but what is the usecase? |
| 12:11.50 | tagtag | babilen: so it's still have bell on editors |
| 12:12.22 | Lonniebiz | here are all the packages I install on ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/hA7zu79T |
| 12:12.24 | babilen | tagtag: "xset b off" should take care of that in graphical environments. Read the factoid |
| 12:12.43 | tagtag | Oki |
| 12:12.45 | Lonniebiz | Won't all that stuff be on debian too? |
| 12:13.12 | sylarrr | babilen, SOHO wishing to serve DNS quires for its own hosts, SOHO has static IP |
| 12:14.04 | babilen | sylarrr: To the outside world? |
| 12:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lonniebiz, most of it |
| 12:14.23 | sylarrr | babilen, yes |
| 12:14.33 | tagtag | babilen: and eh... just last question, does it disable permanently ? |
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| 12:14.51 | babilen | sylarrr: I recommend bind |
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| 12:15.18 | sylarrr | babilen, bind = bind9? |
| 12:15.28 | babilen | tagtag: No, you would have to execute that on startup. But AFAIK pcspkr should already be blacklisted, but who knows what is going on. |
| 12:15.31 | babilen | sylarrr: yes |
| 12:15.46 | Lonniebiz | I download the Debian Live CD from here: http://live.debian.net/ Any draw back to using that to install Debian on my laptop? |
| 12:16.10 | rozie | Lonniebiz: do you want to install with debootstrap? |
| 12:16.13 | tagtag | babilen: yep I blacklisted manually |
| 12:16.25 | Lonniebiz | I don't even know what that is rozie. |
| 12:16.44 | rozie | Lonniebiz: how do you want to install from live? |
| 12:16.59 | Lonniebiz | I'm spoiled with Ubuntu, and don't know what I'm getting into, but like the idea of running debian. Look for any guidance. |
| 12:17.18 | babilen | Lonniebiz: Read the private message you got from dpkg -- Download the netinstall if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the install or don't need a graphical environment directly after the install. Download CD1 or one of its flavours (Gnome (default), KDE, XFCE, ...) if not |
| 12:17.27 | babilen | !tell Lonniebiz about ig |
| 12:17.48 | rozie | so I see drawback: with debootstrap you need to know what you're doing, it has no wizard |
| 12:18.02 | rozie | !tell rozie about ig |
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| 12:18.15 | babilen | rozie: I doubt that Lonniebiz actually planned to install with debootstrap |
| 12:18.23 | Lonniebiz | Ok, I've download a whole bunch of stuff. For example I download all the debian dvds for 5. Do I just burn dvd1 and boot from it to install? |
| 12:18.24 | babilen | rozie: You can /msg the bot |
| 12:18.41 | Lonniebiz | or are those dvds just a package repository? |
| 12:18.55 | rozie | babilen: oh. good to know. just wondered what ig is ;) |
| 12:18.57 | babilen | Lonniebiz: That would work. |
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| 12:19.46 | rozie | babilen: now I see what he meant. first I understood that he asks of debootstrap drawbacks |
| 12:20.32 | babilen | Lonniebiz: No, those DVDs contain *every single Debian package known to mankind*, which basically means that you wasted a lot of bandwith as you will never install all of them. Furthermore, make sure that you have one of the online repositories enabled |
| 12:20.52 | babilen | !tell Lonniebiz about sources.list |
| 12:21.05 | rozie | Lonniebiz: what network card do you have? the only problem you can encouter installing with official installer is not supported network card (non-free firmware etc.) |
| 12:21.35 | Lonniebiz | I have dell studio 17, not sure what the network card is in it. |
| 12:21.36 | rozie | the rest should be taken from network, as usually there are security updates |
| 12:21.55 | Lonniebiz | I thought the linux kernel handled all these types of thing. |
| 12:22.19 | babilen | Lonniebiz: Paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" |
| 12:22.27 | Lonniebiz | In ubuntu, after install, it tells me about firmware for my wireless card, I just click that I want it then my wireless card starts working. |
| 12:22.45 | rozie | Lonniebiz: forget about such an automation |
| 12:23.04 | Lonniebiz | 8:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe [14e4:1698] (rev 10) |
| 12:23.06 | babilen | Lonniebiz: You don't have some ethernet cables around? |
| 12:23.24 | Lonniebiz | yeah, I've got that for initial install (cat 5) |
| 12:23.47 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:1698 |
| 12:23.49 | judd | [14e4:1698] is 'NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1698 |
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| 12:24.46 | Lonniebiz | So, I'm biting off a lot wanting to move to debian from ubuntu. I mean, I'm going to have to configure a bunch of crap I'm not use to having to do? |
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| 12:24.56 | babilen | Lonniebiz: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
| 12:25.08 | babilen | Lonniebiz: Yes |
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| 12:25.26 | Lonniebiz | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:432b] (rev 01) |
| 12:25.52 | babilen | !wl |
| 12:25.53 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB") and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. See also <brcm80211>. |
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| 12:26.32 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: i can tell you that not all those packages exist in Debian |
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| 12:26.55 | Lonniebiz | I thought it would be as easy as installing the OS from a live cd and then adding the packages I want, but it is way more involved than that? |
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| 12:27.14 | brainsoft | how can I find the lastest created files in the system for example from yesterday to today? |
| 12:27.37 | babilen | Lonniebiz: Yes, it is more involved than that. |
| 12:27.53 | iess | brainsoft:you can check man pages of find |
| 12:27.54 | Lonniebiz | dang it. |
| 12:28.05 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: Debian doesn't currently let you install from the liveCD |
| 12:28.22 | Lonniebiz | Is it worth the hassle for a laptop desktop system, or would you recommend just sticking with ubuntu? |
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| 12:29.01 | Lonniebiz | abrotman: I found a live CD here: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 12:29.05 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: that's up to you .. i use Debian on a few laptops |
| 12:29.16 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: yes .. that's the Debian live cd .. but you can't install to a hard drive with it |
| 12:29.26 | Lonniebiz | oh, wow. |
| 12:29.46 | abrotman | doesn't see why that's a big deal |
| 12:29.50 | Lonniebiz | So, I guess Ubuntu is there for a reason, huh? |
| 12:29.56 | iaj | can someone tell me what I have to do to be able to sudo over ssh connections? |
| 12:30.26 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: it's for people that don't want everything done for them |
| 12:30.28 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | that do want everything done for them |
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| 12:31.49 | Lonniebiz | I see. Well, I've just been sick of a few bugs in ubuntu, lately and heard about how stable debian is..... |
| 12:31.53 | vtts | iaj, sudo is not ssh dependant, and permissions have to be granted to you (sudoers file) |
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| 12:32.26 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: that's fine .. but they're not the same .. Debian doesn't do some of the magic stuff that ubuntu does .. it just means you have to do more work |
| 12:32.33 | Lonniebiz | I didn't thing it would be all that different to install and maintain. |
| 12:32.42 | iaj | vtts: you sure? i got an entry in my sudoers file.. /etc/sudoers for my user... eg it looks the same way as root does.. however I can't sudo stuff :\ always says incorrect password |
| 12:32.49 | Lonniebiz | I see. |
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| 12:33.09 | vtts | iaj, what password do you provide (your users or roots) ? |
| 12:33.29 | abrotman | !ig |
| 12:33.29 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 12:34.50 | iaj | vtts: which one do I have to provide? I always try root password. |
| 12:34.59 | babilen | iaj: Try your users :) |
| 12:35.06 | vtts | yap |
| 12:35.11 | iaj | vtts: ooooooohmyyyyyyygawd. |
| 12:35.13 | iaj | thanks.. |
| 12:35.29 | babilen | iaj: Or use "su" if you want to give your root pwd |
| 12:35.38 | iaj | another thing - how can I change keyboard layout for my ttys? |
| 12:35.56 | iess | iaj: can you sudo directly on the host you ssh to |
| 12:36.10 | sylarrr | babilen, any good howto for bind9? web interface? |
| 12:36.30 | babilen | iaj: One of the motivations for using sudo on your systems is that you don't have to give every user the root password in order to enable them to perform administrative tasks |
| 12:36.43 | shylent | sylarrr: http://www.amazon.com/DNS-BIND-5th-Cricket-Liu/dp/0596100574 |
| 12:36.45 | iaj | babilen: oh, never thought of it that way - but yes.. that's a goodie |
| 12:37.14 | Lonniebiz | This guy was giving me crazy ideas, I guess: http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/the-unthinkable-moving-from-ubuntu-to-debian-5-lenny/ |
| 12:37.19 | babilen | sylarrr: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 might also be worth a look |
| 12:38.25 | babilen | !tell sylarrr about bind9 |
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| 12:38.58 | babilen | !tell sylarrr about bind9 lenny |
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| 12:41.11 | babilen | Lonniebiz: Well, try it. It is not that hard |
| 12:42.25 | aanand123 | notify-osd does not show album-art for rhythmbox and notification-daemon does not work for leave message when screen is locked..What could I be missing? |
| 12:42.38 | vtts | iaj, try install-keymap |
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| 12:43.40 | iaj | vtts: don't have that command :( |
| 12:43.45 | aanand123 | i am using debian testing.. |
| 12:44.29 | vtts | iaj, how about loadkeys |
| 12:44.29 | babilen | vtts: Whatfor? |
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| 12:46.47 | abrotman | Lonniebiz: i'm not trying to deter, just explaining it'll be more work |
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| 12:47.55 | Kre10s | hey. I don't remember where debian keeps courier config files... |
| 12:47.59 | Kre10s | any help? |
| 12:48.50 | babilen | Kre10s: Educated guess: /etc/courier ? |
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| 12:49.15 | iaj | vtts: ahh that worked.. but now I'd always have to perform that command wouldn't I? |
| 12:49.50 | babilen | !tell iaj about keymap |
| 12:50.04 | babilen | iaj: Note the "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" |
| 12:50.17 | Kre10s | ah i found it1 |
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| 12:53.35 | aanand123 | please help me with notification-daemon... |
| 12:53.50 | aanand123 | leave message does not work for locked scren |
| 12:53.55 | aanand123 | screen* |
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| 12:54.27 | iaj | babilen: thanks so that's working for lenny - any way to do that in ethc? |
| 12:54.31 | iaj | s/ethc/etch? |
| 12:54.48 | aanand123 | i tried notify-osd, but that does not show album art for rhythmbox! |
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| 12:55.33 | babilen | iaj: 1. Upgrade etch to lenny 2. dpkg-reconfigure console-data -- I know you can't right now, but I am not sure about the proper method to do that in etch |
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| 12:57.57 | babilen | ,versions console-data |
| 12:57.57 | judd | Package console-data on i386 -- etch: 2:1.01-7; lenny: 2:1.07-11; squeeze: 2:1.10-5; sid: 2:1.10-6 |
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| 12:58.17 | babilen | iaj: The package is in etch -- what does "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" do? |
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| 12:59.36 | babilen | iaj: I would assume that it works, you might have to "dpkg-reconfigure locales" first |
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| 13:03.14 | iaj | babilen: oh i had to sudo that configure command |
| 13:03.17 | iaj | nevermind its working now |
| 13:03.26 | babilen | great |
| 13:04.24 | iaj | thanks a lot:) |
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| 13:10.55 | rahsputin | Hi. I want to install with BusinessCard Iso, but would like to install squeeze instead of stable.... how to i modify the debian-mirror-selection-section :) to get squeeze. |
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| 13:11.59 | babilen | !install squeeze |
| 13:11.59 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
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| 13:14.48 | its-me-again | hi is there a deb for teh gimp addon Wavelet Sharpen |
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| 13:15.43 | babilen | its-me-again: "apt-cache search gimp wavelet" â gimp-plugin-registry â apt-cache show gimp-plugin-registry |
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| 13:17.48 | babilen | its-me-again: But thats "Wavelet {Decompose,Denoise}" -- no idea about "Wavelet Sharpen" |
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| 13:18.40 | babilen | its-me-again: Looks as if it is indeed not available. You might want to file a wishlist bug against gimp-plugin-registry |
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| 13:19.18 | its-me-again | babilen: can i install it from here http://registry.gimp.org/node/9836 <- tar file |
| 13:19.32 | babilen | its-me-again: But I would think that you can install it to an alternative location manually (preferably /usr/local) |
| 13:19.51 | babilen | !tell its-me-again about usrlocal |
| 13:19.55 | babilen | !tell its-me-again about stow |
| 13:20.23 | babilen | its-me-again: I would then ask in #gimp how to enable your manually installed plugin |
| 13:20.45 | its-me-again | i not installed it yet |
| 13:20.48 | babilen | Or rather: Ask there first ;) If possible install it to /usr/local |
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| 13:21.13 | its-me-again | ok i will try thanks |
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| 13:21.22 | babilen | good luck! |
| 13:22.01 | babilen | argh! |
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| 13:25.58 | aanand123 | notify-osd removed from testing? |
| 13:26.16 | abrotman | judd: versions notify-osd |
| 13:26.18 | judd | Package notify-osd on i386 -- sid: 0.9.23-2 |
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| 13:26.21 | abrotman | apparently so |
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| 13:28.02 | abrotman | though I don't see it in the removals yet |
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| 13:29.07 | abrotman | though it was removed five days ago .. hrm |
| 13:29.25 | Jef91 | Can I have a debian file run a couple of commands after it installs? Would that be something I set in the control file? |
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| 13:36.43 | JyZyXEL | Tests done by Mike show the maximum latency dropping by over ten times and the average latency of the desktop by about 60 times. Linus Torvalds has already heavily praised (in an email) this miracle patch. |
| 13:36.49 | nsadmin | Jef91: there is preinst, prerm, postinst, postrm |
| 13:36.51 | JyZyXEL | all hail the mighty miracle patch |
| 13:37.16 | Jef91 | in the control file nsadmin? |
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| 13:37.36 | nsadmin | not sure where to put those |
| 13:37.48 | nsadmin | probably in the debian/ dir |
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| 13:38.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: that's not what he's asking |
| 13:38.44 | nsadmin | he wants to run something after install |
| 13:38.45 | abrotman | Jef91: you mean the whole distro? or a single package? you could customize the installer |
| 13:38.59 | abrotman | nsadmin: it->Debian .. not it->package |
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| 13:39.13 | abrotman | at least in his original question |
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| 13:39.23 | Jef91 | just one package abrotman |
| 13:39.29 | nsadmin | wouldn't that be controlled more by d-i? |
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| 13:39.59 | nsadmin | Jef91, so you want to run something after your package is installed? |
| 13:40.00 | Tobias| | How do I turn off Debian's default desktop animations? (the irritating minimize/maximise animations in Debian's default 'Desktop' set of package) (gnome) |
| 13:40.02 | abrotman | Jef91: after each package? or a particular one .. you can alter the postinst, but then you have to maintain that yourself .. might be easier to keep your own custom package that runs those things for you |
| 13:40.14 | abrotman | Tobias|: which WM? |
| 13:40.20 | Jef91 | one I am building abrotman |
| 13:40.34 | Tobias| | Gnome, abrotman |
| 13:40.39 | abrotman | Jef91: then the postinst file .. the maintainer guide tells you how |
| 13:40.46 | abrotman | Tobias: that is not your WM .. that's your DE |
| 13:40.49 | Jef91 | kk thanks |
| 13:40.53 | Tobias | Ah |
| 13:40.54 | Tobias | X |
| 13:41.00 | abrotman | X is not a WM either :) |
| 13:41.05 | Tobias | wheezes, dies |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | compiz? metacity? sawfish ? |
| 13:41.22 | Guest6159 | Whichever is the default t_t |
| 13:41.28 | nsadmin | abrotman: you seemed to have misinterpreted him before when I correctly understood him, and then used this as a way to say "nsadmin you're wrong again" |
| 13:41.46 | abrotman | nsadmin: his question was vague .. he never mentioned a package |
| 13:42.01 | abrotman | Guest6159: ps aux .. look for a WM |
| 13:42.11 | nsadmin | just as you must be using your perception of my history, I'm noticing something in yours... |
| 13:42.26 | Guest6159 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.27 | Guest6159 | tobias 2213 0.3 0.7 105632 14248 ? S Nov16 0:16 /usr/bin/metacity |
| 13:42.28 | Guest6159 | Metacity it is |
| 13:42.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: pick a fight somewhere else .. this isn't the place for it |
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| 13:42.38 | nsadmin | "we think he's going senile" |
| 13:43.20 | nsadmin | I'm not starting it, but I am defending myself as you're making it necessary to do so |
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| 13:43.36 | abrotman | Guest6159: i don't know if metacity allows you to turn those off .. Check your System->Preferences for a Window Manager configuration tool |
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| 13:43.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: you're picking a fight, knock it off |
| 13:43.54 | nsadmin | do I need a lawyer? |
| 13:43.59 | abrotman | go get one |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | just keep it out of this channel |
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| 13:44.13 | khem_ | EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_lookup: unlinked inode 748541 in dir #747777 |
| 13:44.16 | khem_ | what is the solution to this? |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | probably an fsck? |
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| 13:44.44 | Guest6159 | Nothing relevant listed, abrotman :( |
| 13:44.48 | nsadmin | I'm on the other channel... so I'd appreciate it that you would make non-support comments aimed at me there as well. |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | stop it |
| 13:45.23 | abrotman | Guest6159: is this on squeeze? |
| 13:45.27 | Guest6159 | Yes |
| 13:45.42 | abrotman | looks to see if he has a squeeze VM somewhere |
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| 13:46.48 | abrotman | Guest6159: give me a few minutes |
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| 13:47.01 | Guest6159 | Alright :) |
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| 13:50.02 | Tobias| | eep, I left |
| 13:50.08 | Tobias| | *is back, apologises* |
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| 13:57.49 | Tobias| | wonders if he's missing messages, or the channel's just quiet |
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| 13:58.36 | abrotman | Tobias|: nope, it's a VM, not the fastest thing .. |
| 13:58.48 | Tobias| | Oh, phew |
| 13:58.58 | dokma | Anyone knows if thermal module can be safely unloaded from the kernel? I assume that BIOS will do it's thermal tasks anyways... |
| 13:59.00 | Tobias| | No, I changed from pidgin to xchat because I'd broken something and couldn't change my /nick |
| 13:59.09 | dokma | The same goes for the processor module.... |
| 13:59.11 | Tobias| | Was panicking that I was getting assistance from you but wasn't receiving the messags |
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| 13:59.24 | Tobias| | messages* |
| 13:59.42 | abrotman | Tobias|: nope, other things are happening on the VM server at the same time .. it's working hard :) |
| 13:59.50 | dkr | dokma: correct |
| 13:59.59 | djura-san | o/ ¤ ¤¤ |
| 14:00.02 | dokma | dkr: the same for processor? |
| 14:00.08 | dokma | and fan |
| 14:00.11 | dkr | dokma: e.g. cpufreq? yeah |
| 14:00.28 | dokma | dkr mine is named processor |
| 14:00.41 | dokma | thermal 15228 0 |
| 14:00.41 | dokma | processor 32576 1 thermal |
| 14:00.41 | dokma | fan 4164 0 |
| 14:00.42 | dokma | thermal_sys 10856 3 thermal,processor,fan |
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| 14:00.55 | dkr | dokma: yeah, that is used by acpi_cpufreq |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | dokma: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:01.12 | dokma | how many lines are allowed here at once? |
| 14:01.26 | abrotman | not that many |
| 14:01.27 | dkr | one less than whatever you paste |
| 14:01.30 | dokma | dkr thanks a lot! |
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| 14:11.11 | mint | hi |
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| 14:11.56 | mint | i accedently changed my default windowmanager and now i can't log in again |
| 14:12.03 | mint | how can i change it back? |
| 14:12.05 | abrotman | mint: in what? Mint? |
| 14:12.13 | mint | abrotman: in gdm |
| 14:12.17 | abrotman | in Debian? |
| 14:13.00 | mint | abrotman: yes |
| 14:13.12 | abrotman | mint: it lets you select the WM from GDM |
| 14:13.13 | mint | abrotman: i'm jsut using a live mint |
| 14:13.42 | mint | abrotman: i have a theme, where i can't find the chooser -.- |
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| 14:14.15 | abrotman | mint: uhm, okay .. well, you can `update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` perhaps |
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| 14:15.24 | mint | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:15.41 | mint | but i seems, as if the chooser was right and my xfce is broken |
| 14:15.45 | mint | :/ |
| 14:16.09 | mint | i;ll ask #xfce |
| 14:16.15 | mint | thanks so far :D |
| 14:16.45 | jelly | there's also a #debian-xfce, but I'm not sure if it's still on this network |
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| 14:20.12 | yuri___ | Hi. Have to ask again. ANyone knows how to make Debian boot with LABELed root LVM partition? |
| 14:20.33 | IRani | hi im getting this error while im trying to complie the eggdrops any idea how can I solve this error please -> Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-runthis system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and See doc/COMPILE-GUIDE's 'Tcl Detection and Installation' section for more info |
| 14:22.40 | stew | !wayc IRani |
| 14:22.40 | dpkg | IRani: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 14:23.40 | IRani | dpkg can you please explain it more ? |
| 14:23.42 | dpkg | IRani: wish i knew |
| 14:23.59 | stew | IRani: instead of compiling eggdrop, why not just "aptitude install eggdrop" or "apt-get install eggdrop" |
| 14:24.11 | IRani | I think im missing some tcl in my server but I dont know how to intall it |
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| 14:24.41 | knubbze | hi |
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| 14:24.57 | knubbze | I am trying to build the debian-installer, but it keeps saying: E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64-di |
| 14:26.13 | IRani | stew still im getting the same error |
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| 14:26.25 | IRani | libtcl.so |
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| 14:26.46 | stew | IRani: why are you compiling it. debian already compiled it for you |
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| 14:27.29 | IRani | For a debian server what sort of dependency I need to install prior to using it? |
| 14:27.52 | CharminTheMoose | stew, maybe it's a newer version of the software that has bug fixes/features that the current version in debian doesn't? :P |
| 14:28.20 | stew | IRani: none |
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| 14:29.01 | IRani | ic thanks stew |
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| 14:29.33 | stew | IRani: if you run "aptitude install eggdrop" it will also fetch the dependencies needed for running it. (not for compiling it, but I still do't know why you would want to compile it) |
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| 14:30.22 | kwork | stew, extra modules? |
| 14:32.54 | knubbze | anyone? |
| 14:33.52 | stew | knubbze: you might try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org which is a channel devoted to d-i |
| 14:33.59 | knubbze | cool thanks |
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| 14:35.52 | yuri___ | okay debian bugzilla explained that finiding the LVM partitions is somehow problematic (albeit they have a dedicated partition type/ID), so full path to the devbice is advisable. |
| 14:36.00 | yuri___ | thanks |
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| 14:40.10 | amee3k | !ati |
| 14:40.10 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 14:40.24 | amee3k | by that, i mean Hi! |
| 14:40.57 | amee3k | hmmm there is no factoid about radeon M series cards? |
| 14:41.33 | stew | amee3k: search on ircbots.debian.net perhaps |
| 14:41.46 | stew | amee3k: or you could ask us instead of the bot |
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| 14:46.05 | amee3k | hmmm that didn't work |
| 14:47.02 | amee3k | i've got a laptop with a radeon M6 card and i'm getting nasty graphics artifacts in some applications |
| 14:47.20 | amee3k | its also occasionally freezing the desktop, but thats a minor issue |
| 14:48.05 | amee3k | there are lots of docs on how to install the ati driver, but how do i make X use the most generic ghetto driver it has for the card? |
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| 14:49.02 | iess | modify the xorg.conf manully or automaticlly |
| 14:49.16 | stew | amee3k: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 14:49.24 | amee3k | no matter what i do i can't get it to work right, while exactly the same apps (most annoyingly ltspice) work fine on my desktop with an nvidia card |
| 14:49.49 | amee3k | yeah, i've added the Driver "radeon" to the device section |
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| 14:50.19 | stew | amee3k: perhaps change "radeon" to "vesa" for "most generic ghetto driver" |
| 14:50.20 | amee3k | but even if i remove that, the issue persists so i suspect in lack of an explicit driver specification it is autodetecting it |
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| 14:50.35 | stew | amee3k: that should be the one that is auto-detected, yes |
| 14:50.44 | amee3k | okay |
| 14:50.48 | amee3k | lemme try |
| 14:51.11 | iess | have you tried Xorg -configure |
| 14:51.53 | dekar_ | what's up with the spam? |
| 14:52.04 | dekar_ | I have noticed it for quite a while now |
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| 14:52.12 | dekar_ | just annoyance? |
| 14:52.17 | amee3k | sweet |
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| 14:52.29 | amee3k | stew, looks like it worked. thanks a lot :) |
| 14:52.49 | amee3k | interrestingly, it doesn't even look like it is much slower this way |
| 14:53.13 | amee3k | i suppose performance would go down the drain if i tried something 3D, but the card sucks for that anyway |
| 14:53.17 | Hazel|work | ah, meuc32 was full of lies, |
| 14:53.18 | amee3k | so no real loss there :P |
| 14:53.24 | jelly | dekar_: yes, just annoyance. |
| 14:53.25 | Hazel|work | was trying to work out what the angle was, heh |
| 14:53.46 | Hazel|work | http://blog.freenode.net/2010/11/be-safe-out-there/ doesn't seem to indicate what they were tlaking about |
| 14:53.53 | Hazel|work | talking* |
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| 14:54.24 | Hazel|work | i.e., it's not clear how joining #freenode or messaging a [genuine] member of freenode staff would do anything other than annoy freenode |
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| 14:54.28 | amee3k | wtf |
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| 14:54.42 | jelly | /j ##comment-on-spam |
| 14:54.50 | amee3k | stew, that even fixed the brightness controls for the laptop's monitor |
| 14:54.50 | Hazel|work | jelly: does that exist? |
| 14:54.51 | Hazel|work | heh |
| 14:55.03 | jelly | Hazel|work: "oops!" |
| 14:55.04 | amee3k | these somehow refused to work since i installed deb 5 |
| 14:55.18 | amee3k | looks like the fucking ati drivers broke that too lol |
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| 14:55.20 | stew | amee3k: with vesa you'd have no 3d accelleration whatsoever |
| 14:55.43 | amee3k | hehe. but the card sucks for gaming anyway so uh, screw 3D |
| 14:56.10 | dekar_ | HackeMate, k thx for the link |
| 14:56.16 | stew | Hazel|work: you should ignore those spams |
| 14:56.37 | amee3k | omg |
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| 14:56.57 | amee3k | ... |
| 14:57.22 | amee3k | note to self: ctrl+w does not do what i mean in xchat |
| 14:57.23 | Hazel|work | stew: well, I was dumb and fell for it very momentarily, as I failed to work out what the scam was. I was thinking inside "why wouldn't they use a global notice instead?" |
| 14:57.38 | Hazel|work | it took me a moment to twig SASL!=SSL and that they were talking rubbish |
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| 14:58.18 | dkr | Hazel|work: access to freenode will require a SASE self-addressed stamped envelope |
| 14:58.27 | Hazel|work | haha |
| 14:58.36 | helo | i'm upgrading via aptitude... i get the following warning: "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw for module bnx2", but /lib/firmware/bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw exists, so do i need to be worried? |
| 14:58.36 | jelly | amee3k: Gtk+ wreaks havoc with the usual Emacs-like keybindings :-| |
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| 14:59.24 | babilen | Hazel|work: Actually they are not talking rubbish: http://pthree.org/2010/01/31/freenode-ssl-and-sasl-authentication-with-irssi/ but that is quite ot in here |
| 14:59.28 | Hazel|work | dkr: please send your messages for #debian to: Ned Seagoon, C/O Rowton House |
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| 15:04.32 | amee3k | ... |
| 15:04.40 | Hazel|work | babilen: ahh, I see, so you /can/ use SASL to authenticate, if you do SSL IRC, but it's optional, and only if you want to pre-authenticate against nickserv, as an alternative to using a server password? |
| 15:04.41 | amee3k | can someone kline the asshole please? |
| 15:04.49 | osfd | Hi there, I can't start amarok anylonger, I get the following message when I start it: http://pastebin.com/banrbWyR |
| 15:05.02 | stew | amee3k: idoru does that automatically |
| 15:05.35 | amee3k | mmmh, or set talk only for registered users for a while |
| 15:06.01 | Hazel|work | eep |
| 15:06.06 | Hazel|work | checks to see if she is registered |
| 15:06.07 | Hazel|work | heh |
| 15:06.20 | amee3k | theres a channel mode for that... ##electronics has it |
| 15:06.21 | stew | amee3k: i was actually avoiding that because you were both the only unregistered person and the only on-topic person |
| 15:06.25 | Hazel|work | magic 8 ball says... yes |
| 15:06.54 | amee3k | stew, oh thanks but i do have an acc... amee2k is my other self running on my home desktop :) |
| 15:06.56 | Hazel|work | yet I have a squiggle, even though nickserv seems to know me? |
| 15:07.07 | stew | Hazel|work: you are identified |
| 15:07.20 | Hazel|work | oh, wait, the squiggle is ident-related |
| 15:07.22 | Hazel|work | I see :) |
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| 15:10.19 | Tobias| | Is there a means through which I can remove gnome apps without removing gnome? |
| 15:10.46 | syslq | Tobias|: ? |
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| 15:11.00 | syslq | aptitude remove / purge appname? |
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| 15:11.35 | yakamo | anyone know a site with some good info on how to control my dual graphics cards in my laptop |
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| 15:12.07 | Tobias| | http://dev.pastebin.it/anlt0q/raw/27223 |
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| 15:12.22 | Tobias| | I've worked around most of it by running `apt-get install gnome-core` |
| 15:12.23 | stew | Tobias|: if you are removing one thing and it wants to remove lots of others, unmark the others as automatically installed |
| 15:12.34 | Tobias| | Which has at least prevented it from trying to remove gnome-core |
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| 15:13.08 | remoteCTRL1 | ermm... that SASL BS up there is a hoax, right? |
| 15:13.21 | stew | remoteCTRL1: yes, ignore it |
| 15:13.28 | remoteCTRL1 | thanks stew |
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| 15:14.10 | manhunter | hi |
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| 15:33.26 | *** topic/#debian is lenny (5.0.6) /msg dpkg 5.0.6 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze |
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| 15:34.22 | anoob | bolt-work: http://paste.uni.cc/21056 |
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| 15:34.59 | anoob | i need to know that to make a udev rule |
| 15:35.18 | bolt-work | anoob: seems to be working perfectly... try what stew said too, to see if alsa sees the device |
| 15:35.26 | stew | anoob: does it show up in /proc/asound/devices? or /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 15:36.19 | anoob | http://paste.uni.cc/21057 |
| 15:36.33 | anoob | how could i do an udev rule with that? |
| 15:36.57 | anoob | i need to execute a script when the user plugs the usb speakers |
| 15:37.39 | stew | anoob: so its going to be /dev/snd/controlC1 and /dev/snd/pcmC1* |
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| 15:38.50 | anoob | http://paste.uni.cc/21058 |
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| 15:39.11 | stew | anoob: you should read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian about how to ensure that it is always card1 and never card0 or card2 or whatever so those device names don't change |
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| 15:39.25 | stew | anoob: yes, that looks as I'd expect |
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| 15:40.28 | Lenhix | Hi ppl. Any clue on when will Squeeze be released? |
| 15:40.51 | dkr | when it's ready |
| 15:41.11 | stew | Lenhix: depends on how what the upgrade reports and new install reports look like and when more of the release critical bugs are fixed: /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 15:41.29 | Burps_ | Hi : I just installed lenny on a soekris, with serial link. setup a few programs/interfaces, then rebooted, now it won't finish the boot : http://pastebin.com/Jm980weG* |
| 15:41.35 | Burps_ | oups : |
| 15:41.38 | Burps_ | http://pastebin.com/Jm980weG |
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| 15:42.06 | Burps_ | should I play with grub ? how ? |
| 15:42.19 | Lenhix | ok dkr, stew |
| 15:42.22 | Lenhix | thx |
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| 15:43.00 | Burps_ | oh..; wait !!! I just had to wait a few more minutes !!! |
| 15:43.29 | Burps_ | sorry for disturbing |
| 15:43.32 | Burps_ | :) |
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| 15:47.59 | cantoma | guys, what is the fastest way of deleting a folder with 500GB .. rm -r folder/ is taking too long |
| 15:48.24 | stew | cantoma: rm -r folder/ |
| 15:48.30 | Gijs | . |
| 15:48.37 | Gijs | lol |
| 15:48.37 | yuri___ | Hi. Why is make-kpgkgkg builds my kernel significantly bigger than the default one? |
| 15:48.41 | Kafka | 500GB is a lot, it's gonna take a while |
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| 15:48.46 | et | cantoma: file size does not matter |
| 15:48.52 | Kafka | well |
| 15:48.55 | et | cantoma: number of files does |
| 15:48.58 | yuri___ | 70mb vs 26mb on standart |
| 15:48.58 | cantoma | et, it as millions of files |
| 15:48.59 | Kafka | if you do it any other way it will |
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| 15:49.14 | Kafka | like, if you try to write zeros over it it'd take forever |
| 15:49.29 | yuri___ | I've used the same config file as from standard |
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| 15:49.53 | yuri___ | is there any package source distribution format in debian? |
| 15:50.07 | nsadmin | yes |
| 15:50.11 | CyberDomovoy | how does "debootstrap --variant=minbase" choose what packages to install? |
| 15:50.11 | cantoma | et, Kafka stew so is there any other options rather then rm -r ? |
| 15:50.12 | Kafka | cantoma : why are you removing so many files? o-o |
| 15:50.16 | yuri___ | not 3 files, I want them all in one |
| 15:50.19 | nsadmin | you can get sources on any package that has it |
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| 15:50.24 | Kafka | there are, but they're not faster |
| 15:50.35 | cantoma | Kafka, because simulations have finished and disk is full and now i need to do other ones |
| 15:50.35 | yuri___ | anything like .src.rpm ? |
| 15:50.38 | nsadmin | that's how it comes. |
| 15:50.41 | julianoliver | yuri___: apt-get source <package> |
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| 15:50.57 | julianoliver | yuri___: they will come down as a tar.gz (or tar.bz2) IIRC. |
| 15:50.57 | cantoma | Kafka, i have copied it to a backup anyways |
| 15:51.00 | nsadmin | an original tarball, a diff to what's in the tar and a description file |
| 15:51.01 | yuri___ | julianoliver: it retrieves me 3 files. is that a standard source "package" |
| 15:51.06 | Kafka | all the ones I can think of would take much longer |
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| 15:51.30 | Kafka | and would take a good bit more effort |
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| 15:51.40 | nsadmin | yes, those three (or rarely two: no diff) is the standard format |
| 15:51.42 | et | cantoma: make a seperate partition next time and just delete the fs |
| 15:51.59 | cantoma | et, thats looks good suggestion |
| 15:52.02 | Kafka | et has the right idea. it's much easier |
| 15:52.03 | yuri___ | Do we have a separate channel for Debian-distribution specific question, not for generic linux ones? |
| 15:52.06 | julianoliver | jhutchins_lt: the original source, the modified debian source and the DSC file AFAIK. |
| 15:52.21 | julianoliver | yuri___: it brings down the original source, the modified debian source and the DSC file AFAIK. |
| 15:52.25 | julianoliver | yuri___: handy no? |
| 15:52.40 | et | cantoma: or, restructure so that you don't have many small files |
| 15:52.45 | yuri___ | it's like gentoo's ebuilds that don't have original files and fetch everything |
| 15:53.16 | julianoliver | yuri___: the original files /are/ there. named *.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:53.19 | yuri___ | why don't package them in 1 file, I'll have huge number of them lying around in my build dir soon |
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| 15:54.07 | julianoliver | yuri___: how hard is: mkdir package-src; cd package-src; apt-get source <package-name> |
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| 15:54.59 | julianoliver | yuri___: roll it into a script to make it easier, passing $1 $2 as a folder and package names, respectively. |
| 15:55.41 | yuri___ | okay, so I executed dpgk-source on my kernel dir and now it's gone |
| 15:56.15 | yuri___ | how is that possible? |
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| 15:56.36 | naiv | Q: what will happens on next boot if I edit this file ? ls /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:57.16 | Kafka | here's something fun to do if you like fixing things... |
| 15:57.25 | julianoliver | naiv: depends what you edit it to. |
| 15:57.29 | CyberDomovoy | naiv> nothing, this is the config of your kernel build, only usefull if building your own kernel |
| 15:57.30 | vtts | naiv, nothing |
| 15:57.48 | julianoliver | oh, vtts is right. |
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| 15:58.36 | Kafka | chmod -x chmod... and put it back :3 |
| 15:59.06 | CyberDomovoy | Kafka> lol |
| 15:59.38 | dkr | weird, I seem to have lost access to printers when I updated squeeze. I see the print queues in cups when I look at localhost:631 but they don't show up in any gtk print dialogs. |
| 15:59.55 | Kafka | I like seeing how people go about fixing that, there's so many interesting ways to do it |
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| 16:01.47 | naiv | Er, btw I made the first apt upgrade since 6 months, and my aes-encrypted disk doesn't mount, i think the problem is reported at http://mareichelt.de/pub/texts.loop-aes.php#faq34, as much as it looks strange because it is a 1 year old issue, what would you do to test if the problem comes from CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G in the kernel config ? how do i know if the kernel config changed from my last upgrade ? |
| 16:04.14 | CyberDomovoy | how does "debootstrap --variant=minbase" choose what packages to install? |
| 16:04.58 | dkr | Kafka: cd bin; cp sh newchmod; cat chmod >newchmod; |
| 16:05.22 | Kafka | dkr : that is a nice easy one, yes |
| 16:05.37 | vtts | naiv, do you get the same error as in the FAQ when mounting? |
| 16:05.47 | stew | python -c "import os; os.chmod('/bin/chmod', 0755)" |
| 16:05.52 | dkr | Kafka: moutn it on a loopback fs with mount options specifying perms(and exec) heh |
| 16:06.05 | Kafka | dkr: ohgawdwhy |
| 16:06.45 | naiv | vtts, I'm not 100% sure because the error message is translated in French, and I have only the first part "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 16:08.56 | naiv | vtts, moreover, the problem is the same with wy encrypted swap, which does not prompt for a password (as in the FAQ title) |
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| 16:11.34 | remoteCTRL1 | anybody recently experienced problems with icq? pidgin keeps telling me that the account is disabled...? |
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| 16:12.42 | remoteCTRL1 | for unkn own reason btw... |
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| 16:13.37 | naiv | can an idiot (me) change this kernel option (CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G) and try it ? |
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| 16:14.16 | abrotman | naiv: why would you need to ? |
| 16:14.40 | naiv | abrotman, check my message 14 min ago please |
| 16:16.33 | vtts | naiv, try changing lo_prealloc module parameter |
| 16:16.51 | vtts | i.e. setting it to a lower value |
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| 16:17.16 | vtts | naiv, also, how much ram do you have in your system? |
| 16:17.44 | BiG_NoBoDy | hello, everyone, we have we have HP LaserJet 5si NX network printer connected to network in our org, how to connect to it? |
| 16:18.01 | naiv | vtts, i'm not sure, maybe 4G |
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| 16:18.17 | BiG_NoBoDy | i mean how to print from debian? |
| 16:18.20 | vtts | naiv, try "free" command |
| 16:18.46 | julianoliver | BiG_NoBoDy: i use cups administration in the browser. type http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 16:18.53 | Kafka | http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_5si.html |
| 16:18.57 | naiv | vtts, only two :) « 2074356 » |
| 16:19.02 | julianoliver | go through the 'add new printer' dialogue |
| 16:19.37 | abrotman | naiv: you could just try the -486 kernel ? it doesn't have the 4GB option |
| 16:19.38 | vtts | naiv, so you need the HIGHMEM4 option, or you will be able to use only ~1GB |
| 16:20.58 | vtts | if you experience the same problem as in the FAQ, you should try setting lo_prealloc option for loop module to some lower than default (4096) value |
| 16:21.08 | naiv | abrotman, sure, thanks for the idea |
| 16:21.15 | vtts | try 512 or lower |
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| 16:21.35 | naiv | vtts, yup i gonna try your idea first but i'm afraid to ask how to do so |
| 16:21.47 | BiG_NoBoDy | julianoliver: nope :) it writes after test page print: hpcups" for printer "pp" not available: No such file or directory |
| 16:22.18 | julianoliver | BiG_NoBoDy: ok. i don't know how to help you then. i'd google around for that printer and Debian. |
| 16:22.20 | jelly | BiG_NoBoDy: that's somewhat weird. Is hplip package installed? |
| 16:22.30 | julianoliver | (or Linux more generally) |
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| 16:22.53 | bar__ | Hi |
| 16:22.57 | naiv | vtts, maybe this ? modprobe loop lo_prealloc="$PREALLOC" |
| 16:23.02 | bar__ | Where I should put my iptables script? |
| 16:23.38 | vtts | naiv, yes, you could try that if you are able to boot your system and mount the partition |
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| 16:23.50 | bar__ | And what is the standard name for a firewall script ? :| |
| 16:24.34 | dkr | bar__: I use /etc/init.d/firewall don't know of a standard |
| 16:24.37 | abrotman | bar__: in debian, there isn't one .. call it whatever you want |
| 16:24.39 | diago1 | I'm using rdiff-backup for some samba shares. Is there a way to preserve the uid and gid without connecting the backup machine to AD? |
| 16:25.03 | abrotman | bar__: though i'd probably call it sometihng like iptables.rules or something so the next admin can figure it out |
| 16:25.03 | bar__ | dkr: And firewall just starts at init when you put it in init.d ? Or you should do some update.rc-d ? |
| 16:25.16 | dkr | bar__: the latter |
| 16:25.38 | bar__ | dkr: So you must comply with debian rules for init.d scripts ? or it's fine just to write a simple bash script ? |
| 16:26.10 | babilen | bar__: See http://wiki.debian.org/iptables -- typically use iptables-{restore,save} and a pre-up hook for /e/n/i |
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| 16:26.40 | bar__ | dkr, abrotman: No need to put it in /etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 16:27.15 | bar__ | why pre-up ? To ensure no packet will come between when the firewall script is run and the interface being up ? |
| 16:27.31 | bar__ | babilen: thanks for the link. |
| 16:27.37 | naiv | vtts, « modprobe loop lo_prealloc="512" », or « ... 256 ... » doesn't solve the problem, I'm leaving for a reboot on 486 kernel |
| 16:28.04 | babilen | bar__: The firewall should be working *before* the interface is up |
| 16:28.10 | dkr | bar__: you can do iptables -F upon stop, heh. but starting is the important part. iptables-restore might be a better option |
| 16:28.18 | jelly | Hi, is lenny-proposed-updates a bit broken at the moment? My mirrors say 404 for eg. http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny-proposed-updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 16:28.29 | bar__ | dkr: Why iptables-restore might be better ? |
| 16:28.43 | vtts | bar__, you could use something like this http://paste.debian.net/99958/ |
| 16:28.57 | bar__ | babilen: makes sense. I didn't understand why there's a '*filter' line in the start of your link example ? |
| 16:29.02 | dkr | bar__: since you can modify the rules easier with iptables-save. |
| 16:29.22 | bar__ | dkr: putting the script in /etc/init.d/ ensures that it will run before the interface is up ? |
| 16:29.27 | bar__ | dkr: Really ? How so ? |
| 16:29.42 | dkr | bar__: no. that's the other complication that makes bar__'s sugegstion better |
| 16:30.20 | dkr | bar__: by running iptables command to modify curretn rules, then itpables-save to save it |
| 16:30.23 | stew | if you want to make sure a firewall is up before an interface is, use a pre-up line in interfaces (man 5 interfaces) |
| 16:30.43 | bar__ | vtts: Thanks. But as we're talking, I'm realizing that putting the script in /etc/init.d/ is not a good idea. |
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| 16:31.52 | bar__ | dkr, babilen: With iptables-restore, I can't use bash to make arrays and variables for my networks and all that... so maybe a script is better. |
| 16:32.12 | dkr | bar__: there are always trade-offs. heh |
| 16:32.20 | bar__ | :) |
| 16:32.52 | bar__ | I guess I'll use a bash script that calls /sbin/iptables on each line, but put it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 16:33.36 | bar__ | Scripts that reside in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ will be executed on every ifup of any interface ? |
| 16:33.39 | vtts | bar__, just bare in mind, that if-pre-up will be called for every interface going up (so at least few times) |
| 16:33.40 | babilen | bar__: How often do you need to change your configuration? I would say, fiddle as long as you want and (optionally) use a script to do so, but save and restore with iptables-{save,restore} once you are happy. |
| 16:33.44 | stew | bar__: yess, make sure it is idempotent |
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| 16:34.19 | bar__ | babilen: Why do you suggest using iptables-save,restore in the production instead of just the script ? |
| 16:34.43 | babilen | bar__: Have a look at "man interface" and in particular the "pre-up" and related stanzas |
| 16:34.46 | smv | anyone willing/able to answer some questions about using gpg? |
| 16:34.56 | stew | smv: just assume yes and ask |
| 16:35.00 | babilen | bar__: Faster |
| 16:35.19 | bar__ | babilen: Faster only when executing right ? After that it's exactly the same ? |
| 16:35.24 | babilen | yes |
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| 16:35.53 | abrotman | smv: also note there is a #gnupg |
| 16:36.23 | babilen | bar__: It does not really matter and I've seen both. It's just that *I* prefer iptables-{save,restore} ... :) |
| 16:36.43 | bar__ | OK, last question: When using iptables, I need to first ACCEPT any ESTABLISHED and RELATED in the INPUT chain, then ACCEPT all LOOPBACK .. only then making my rules ? |
| 16:36.53 | bar__ | babilen: OK, thanks :) |
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| 16:37.17 | diago | ok, I have ssh-copy-id'ed for administrator over to the needed machine. Phraseless logins are working as administrator but if I sudo ssh <machine> I'm required to input the pass phrase |
| 16:37.55 | diago | I need to be able to sudo rdiff-backup but still have the phraseless login work |
| 16:37.58 | vtts | bar__, yes, thats a sane thing to do |
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| 16:38.40 | bar__ | vtts: OK.. and considering this is a server (web and couple of more stuff), it's still ok to ACCEPT any packet in the OUTPUT chain ? |
| 16:38.46 | yuri___ | debian kernel source recommends buliding using upstream debian target, debian docs recommend using make-kpg.Which one to choose? |
| 16:38.53 | smv | abrotman, #gnupg is kinda slow. asking here in the hope that i might get an answer 'today' |
| 16:39.07 | bar__ | so I can allow myself and other administrators of the server to get to the internet from the server, if needed ? :) |
| 16:39.18 | smv | what is the difference betwen exporting/importing public/private keypars and just copying the ~/.gnupg folder? does export work only for subkeys and one might export only one of many? |
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| 16:39.56 | vtts | bar__, you could limit NEW outgoing sessions from www-data user as a security measure |
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| 16:41.18 | bar__ | vtts: That's a standard thing to do ? seems kinda smart so if anyone gained access he couldn't download stuff etc... |
| 16:41.45 | bar__ | thanks for the tip. I have really one last question.. where's a good place in debian to put system-wide general scripts ? I hate putting stuff in home dirs... |
| 16:42.09 | jelly | bar__: /usr/local/bin? |
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| 16:42.38 | bar__ | Cool , thanks. What's all the other 'bin/' and 'sbin' directories are for then ? |
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| 16:44.41 | jelly | !FHS |
| 16:44.42 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 16:45.07 | naiv | abrotman, password was prompted using the 486 kernel |
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| 16:46.11 | bar__ | jelly: Thanks a lot. |
| 16:46.16 | zak_ | zakoukou |
| 16:46.34 | zak_ | sorry wrong window |
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| 16:46.50 | jelly | if that was a password, you'll want to change it |
| 16:47.48 | zak_ | nope that was not a password :) |
| 16:48.05 | zak_ | that was a name of an uploaded file |
| 16:48.07 | zak_ | :) |
| 16:48.37 | zak_ | bar__: i need a help please ; i got apb with my car mp3 player , can't read anymore mp3 tracks |
| 16:49.01 | bar__ | what. |
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| 16:49.32 | zak_ | http://pastebin.com/PhEvKubj |
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| 16:49.38 | zak_ | that was for jelly actually :) but anyway :) |
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| 16:51.06 | naiv | every time i do an upgrade, my debian gets unusable |
| 16:51.27 | jelly | zak_: what is your question? |
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| 16:53.19 | zak_ | http://pastebin.com/PhEvKubj take a look here and tell me what s wrong with that mp3 player , seem it got pbs with partition table or whatever |
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| 16:54.44 | jelly | pbs? |
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| 16:55.34 | jhutchins_lt | naiv: What did you ugrade from and to? |
| 16:55.36 | zak_ | jelly: it can't read mp3 , though i can see the tracks in dolphin as soon as i pluged it |
| 16:55.47 | jelly | zak_: I mean, what does "pbs" mean? |
| 16:56.33 | zak_ | problems:) |
| 16:56.42 | naiv | jhujhiti, I speak about apt upgrade. I'm using Debian for 10 years, and every time I do an upgrade, everything gets broken. |
| 16:56.55 | stew | naiv: what exactly is broken? how? |
| 16:57.11 | diago | I'm trying to allow users in the backup group to run rdiff-backup with no password as root. Does this look right http://paste.debian.net/99962/ ? |
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| 16:58.14 | diago | it seems that's allowing all users in the backup group to run any command without a password |
| 16:58.23 | jelly | zak_: ah! Ok. I suspect your mp3 player might not like linux ext2/ext3/whatever filesystems, but only supports vfat. What does "blkid" command say about what filesystem type it detects on /dev/sdd1 ? |
| 16:58.34 | naiv | stew, my aes encrypted partitions can't mount, maybe because of «CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y», but probably not |
| 16:59.13 | stew | i can't imagine what highmem would have to do with it |
| 16:59.22 | jelly | "everything" |
| 16:59.27 | jelly | hides |
| 16:59.37 | naiv | stew, (http://mareichelt.de/pub/texts.loop-aes.php#faq34) |
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| 17:01.08 | bar__ | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/rp_filter is not on by default ? why ? |
| 17:01.33 | jelly | because it breaks some things. |
| 17:01.51 | jelly | bar__: /etc/sysctl.conf is your friend |
| 17:01.55 | zak_ | jelly: /dev/sdd1: UUID="6FCCDB6F16281DFA" TYPE="ntfs" |
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| 17:03.27 | zak_ | jelly: in the pastebin file i got this '' |
| 17:03.28 | jelly | zak_: if it's ntfs, I'd first change the partition type to 0x07 from the typical linux 0x83 |
| 17:03.29 | zak_ | This doesn't look like a partition table |
| 17:03.30 | zak_ | Probably you selected the wrong device. |
| 17:03.42 | zak_ | jelly: how to do that ? |
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| 17:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | naiv: Are you running lenny? |
| 17:04.05 | jelly | zak_: use a fdisk tool (fdisk, cfdisk, or similar) |
| 17:04.29 | naiv | jhutchins_lt, I'm running unstable |
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| 17:05.00 | zak_ | but what patrtion, dev/sdd/sdd1/sd1 |
| 17:05.06 | zak_ | it seems i got pb with sde |
| 17:05.11 | jelly | zak_: Re: "Probably you selected the wrong device.", that's because you DID select the wrong device and asked fdisk to show the partition _table_ on /dev/sdd1, which is a partition already and doesn't have any more partition in it. |
| 17:05.38 | stew | naiv: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 17:06.17 | zak_ | my DID ?sorry iam new to linux partitions tools , i can't understand waht you say :( |
| 17:06.29 | jelly | zak_: you only have one partition on that disk, and Linux sees it as /dev/sdd1. Change its type to 7 ("HPFS/NTFS"), using fdisk to edit the partition table for disk /dev/sdd |
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| 17:07.06 | naiv | stew, nope, all what I know is that it loop-aes was working fine before I do the apt-get upgrade today and now i have the error "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Can't allocate memory" |
| 17:07.10 | zak_ | ok lemme try that :) hold on please |
| 17:07.18 | jelly | zak_: that was emphasis. You got an error because you told fdisk to do a silly thing. |
| 17:07.47 | zak_ | jelly: should i just fdisk ?it gives list of commands! |
| 17:07.48 | stew | naiv: did you compile the loop-aes module? |
| 17:08.05 | jhutchins_lt | naiv: You're running unstable on purpose, and you're upset because it's unstable, and because it breaks when you update it - which is PART OF THE DESCRIPTION OF UNSTABLE! |
| 17:08.31 | jelly | zak_: sorry, I'm not going to handhold you thru using fdisk. run "fdisk /dev/sdd" and try not to destroy your data. |
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| 17:09.02 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: oh noes! |
| 17:09.02 | zak_ | jelly: i don't care of the data ; i got them all on my HDD |
| 17:09.27 | jhutchins_lt | Amazing, isn't it? |
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| 17:09.30 | naiv | stew, nope, I just apted aes |
| 17:09.48 | naiv | jhutchins_lt, yeah you right, I just wanna yell |
| 17:09.55 | stew | naiv: then I can't see how this FAQ entry is related to your situation |
| 17:09.56 | jelly | zak_: use ? in fdisk to get some help. Changes are not written to disk until you use the w command |
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| 17:10.30 | Bushmills | naiv: what does cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory show on your system? |
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| 17:11.39 | naiv | stew, the error message is near the same, also abortman told me to reboot on 486 kernel, which doesn't use this highmem option, and it asked for a password ! |
| 17:11.48 | naiv | Bushmills, « 0 » |
| 17:11.56 | Bushmills | try to set it to 1, then retry |
| 17:12.04 | stew | naiv: i cannot believe that the aes module doesn't work if you have more than 960mb of memory |
| 17:12.13 | stew | naiv: and the thing that it tells you not to do, you didn't do |
| 17:12.32 | zak_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/RKgqXvDR |
| 17:12.34 | zak_ | ! |
| 17:12.40 | yuri___ | debian kernel source recommends buliding using upstream debian target, debian docs recommend using make-kpg.Which one to choose? |
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| 17:13.08 | jelly | zak_: yes? |
| 17:13.14 | naiv | Bushmills, first time I try this, but stil same error |
| 17:13.36 | zak_ | that s waht i gave me :( can't handle fdisk did you see the paste bin ? |
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| 17:14.33 | naiv | stew, excuse me I don't understand, what didn't I do ? |
| 17:14.35 | bar__ | jelly: Sorry for the late reply: What does rp_filter break ? |
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| 17:14.43 | jelly | zak_: it just gave you a warning and then it started as usual. |
| 17:14.50 | jelly | bar__: fuck me if I remember |
| 17:15.01 | zak_ | jelly: then waht should i type |
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| 17:15.11 | stew | naiv: did you change the CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G configuration option AFTER compiling aes module? |
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| 17:15.36 | jelly | zak_: learn to use it on your own, sorry. I just said I'm not going to give you all the steps. |
| 17:16.18 | stew | naiv: seems that since you didn't compile your kernel, and therefore didn't configure it, you didn't change this option after compiling the aes modules which you didn't compile |
| 17:16.27 | naiv | stew, I never changed any kernel configuration, and I did not compile aes module by myself, although maybe the aes package did |
| 17:16.29 | helo | wonders when AOL started handing out debian install cds |
| 17:17.25 | stew | naiv: well, if you think this is the problem you could recompile the loop-aes modules |
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| 17:17.34 | stew | dpkg: m-a naiv loop-aes |
| 17:17.35 | dpkg | naiv: to compile and install loop-aes for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i loop-aes && modprobe loop-aes ; if this works echo loop-aes >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 17:18.10 | jelly | it sounds like it really ought to get embedded in the initramfs image as well |
| 17:18.37 | naiv | stew, okay lol, I understand the fun of my problem, I gonna look for a better description of my problem. Maybe I can say to loop.ko be more verbuous. And I gonna try your solution first. Thank you for the idea |
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| 17:22.32 | naiv | stew, oh GOD damnit, you saved my day. I'm sorry I didn't knew that « m-a a-i loop-aes » was compiling the module, and I did it once 1 month ago (wrote it on my notes), now I did it again and it works although I don't know what changed ... A big thank you |
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| 17:23.15 | naiv | callvote stew +1 |
| 17:23.27 | jelly | !stew++ |
| 17:23.34 | jelly | dpkg: karma stew |
| 17:23.34 | dpkg | stew has karma of 39 |
| 17:23.38 | naiv | !stew++ |
| 17:23.44 | helo | i've had problems before when upgrading to a new kernel because the corresponding kernel-headers weren't automatically installed, so the m-a stuff wasn't recompiled |
| 17:23.46 | jelly | dpkg: karma stew |
| 17:23.46 | dpkg | stew has karma of 40 |
| 17:24.13 | helo | !helo-- |
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| 17:25.01 | zak_ | jelly: typedc, typed , u but still got that error ! |
| 17:25.07 | zak_ | jelly: typedc, typed , u but still got that menu |
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| 17:25.48 | zak_ | it keeps asking me for a command |
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| 17:26.13 | jelly | zak_: so give it a command. ? is one such command you can give. |
| 17:26.27 | naiv | and I'll never again say something bad about Unstable |
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| 17:28.11 | zak_ | jelly: ''Changed system type of partition 1 to 7 (HPFS/NTFS)'' |
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| 17:32.23 | jelly | zak_: you're making progress. |
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| 17:32.44 | zak_ | jelly: yes :) is there really any changes http://pastebin.com/3r3pyBA9 |
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| 17:33.03 | zak_ | learned to use fdisk :) |
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| 17:34.48 | fbs | congratz |
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| 17:39.27 | despiron | somebody knows how can i add this repository to my debian? |
| 17:39.28 | despiron | add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa |
| 17:40.07 | zak_ | jelly? |
| 17:40.15 | stew | despiron: sounds like a bad idea. why do you want this repository? |
| 17:40.17 | Xanbreon | I could tell you, but adding Ubuntu PPA's to debian is a realllyyy bad idea |
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| 17:41.01 | despiron | to solve my problem with my sound driver |
| 17:41.56 | Xanbreon | What package do you need an updated version of? |
| 17:42.08 | despiron | i need this |
| 17:42.08 | despiron | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules |
| 17:42.11 | zak_ | jelly , i typed cfdisk /dev/sde1 and i got FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk, does this mean that the hdd is corrupted? |
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| 17:43.40 | Xanbreon | Thats such a bad idea |
| 17:43.50 | zak_ | Xanbreon: hein? |
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| 17:44.28 | Xanbreon | Not at you zak_, at despiron, sorry! |
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| 17:46.57 | jelly | zak_: don't use fdisk / cfdisk on partitions, run it on whole devices |
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| 17:48.36 | jhutchins_lt | despiron: That will probably break your system if you succeed. |
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| 17:49.07 | jhutchins_lt | despiron: Fortunately you are not likely to be able to match your Debian kernel to a Ubuntu kernel module in the first place. |
| 17:49.08 | jelly | despiron: using advice for other distros on Debian could lead to disastrous results. That includes using packages built for other distros. All ppa repositories are built against Ubuntu releases and are not meant for consupmtion in any dpkg-based distro. |
| 17:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | despiron: What module do you think you need? |
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| 17:50.36 | jhutchins_lt | Truth is scary. |
| 17:51.08 | zak_ | jelly: it got 3 partions dev/sde dev/sde1 dev/sdf though i can see only one in gparted ! strange to me all this |
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| 17:51.20 | diago | I'm under the impression that %backup ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/rdiff-backup would grant all users in the backup group sudo rdiff-backup with no password |
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| 17:51.41 | zak_ | dev/sdd/ dev/sdd1 / dev/sde actually |
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| 17:52.51 | diago | nevermind, it does work |
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| 17:54.15 | zak_ | diago: hein ? |
| 17:54.40 | zak_ | actually i can read the whole files in that hdd , but as soon as i plugged in my car it can't ply mp3 |
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| 17:59.45 | somiaj | zak_: any errors? are you sure you have the right file system, etc on the hdd? |
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| 18:00.15 | zak_ | somiaj: well that 's what ia mtrying to know :( |
| 18:00.41 | zak_ | somiaj: take a look here please http://www.picpaste.com/cfdisk-vt4f7IlJ.png |
| 18:00.42 | somiaj | zak_: most car steros and mp3players that accept external hds require that you use vfat file system |
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| 18:01.07 | somiaj | zak_: many also require that there are no partition tables, you just put the file system on /dev/sde directally or what ever drive it gets mapped as |
| 18:01.11 | zak_ | somiaj: how to know what file system it has already ?and why does it have 3 partitions? |
| 18:01.50 | zak_ | somiaj: actually i don't see any other partitions in dolphin, thats waht makes crazy |
| 18:01.54 | somiaj | zak_: there is only one partition (the other two are free space on either side of the partition) |
| 18:02.15 | somiaj | zak_: so there is ONLY one partition, as for the file system, you have the partition type set to 'linux' usually manes ext2/3 partitions |
| 18:02.20 | magicCarpet | Hi all, "Depends: python (>= 2.5 << 3.0)" -- is this valid syntax for python 2.5+ but not python 3.0 ? |
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| 18:02.46 | magicCarpet | I don't see multiple relationships described in Debian Policy |
| 18:02.49 | zak_ | somiaj: ok so i need to change to vfat? |
| 18:02.49 | somiaj | zak_: but there is no rule what file system is on a partition, you'll have to check the actual file system -- but if its ext2/3 I doubt a car stero mp3player can read that file system type |
| 18:03.10 | zak_ | somiaj: how to chack the file system ? |
| 18:03.10 | somiaj | zak_: I don't know for sure, I'm just going off my experience, I haev never heard of a car stero ever able to read ext2/3 though |
| 18:03.27 | somiaj | zak_: when you mount it, it should detect the file system that is mounting |
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| 18:03.54 | somiaj | zak_: if its mounted on your machine, type 'mount' should tell you what file system it mounted it as |
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| 18:06.26 | qwd | How can I tell Midnight Commander to open files like Nautilus? That is, if I open a video file I want it opened in VLc just like I set it up in Nautilus. |
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| 18:07.22 | somiaj | qwd: can you configure what applications Midnight Commander assoicates with varrious file types/extensions? You will probabaly just have to configure it all again -- I doubt it will just be able to use your Nautlius configuration |
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| 18:08.16 | zak_ | somiaj: iam trying to change the partition type using fdisk but i can't find vfat, any idea how to do that either using fdisk or any software |
| 18:08.19 | somiaj | qwd: though you should check out how alternatives in debian work, this way you can just call a browser from a program, then alternatives decided which browser to run on that system. Might be able to set VLC as your default media player that way |
| 18:08.51 | somiaj | zak_: because its usually called fat32 -- though changing the file type won't create a new file syste -- for the most part the partition type is a flag that is nice to follow but doesn't really say much about a partition. |
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| 18:09.29 | somiaj | zak_: id you already have music and files on the drive, make sure you back them up before chaging the partition type or fiel system, this will destroy your data |
| 18:10.34 | zak_ | somiaj: ok so should i use fdisk to change the flag? |
| 18:11.13 | somiaj | zak_: I would so if someone else looks at the drive they see that its a fat32 partition there without having to look at the file system -- I'm just saying that is nothing more than a flag, the file system is put on in another step |
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| 18:12.21 | wysi | hello |
| 18:12.38 | zak_ | and surely it should be mounted ? |
| 18:12.57 | zak_ | thinks that moving from windows to linux is quite hard :( |
| 18:13.14 | wysi | im just installing a new vserver with debian sid and stumbled across the fact that the default inetd seems to be xinetd nowaways, still many old packages rely on update-inetd which only modifies the inetd config |
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| 18:13.51 | wysi | is there an equivalent for xinetd which i can use or do i have to add all those services manually? |
| 18:14.00 | somiaj | zak_: um no, you do not want to change partition tables while things are mounted, that will mess things up |
| 18:15.06 | somiaj | wysi: you can install openbsd-inetd and update-inetd in sid if you would rather use that than xinted |
| 18:15.09 | qwd | somiaj: Ah, I was looking for Command -> Edit extension file, I think I can figure this out :) |
| 18:15.24 | zak_ | thinks that he should read a loooooot of linux man pages |
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| 18:15.54 | wysi | somiaj: well there surely is a reason for xinetd being the new default? i just dont want to let all the configure-scripts still thinking im using plain old inetd |
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| 18:17.16 | alyur_hm | zak_, and after that you become a hacker :-) |
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| 18:18.06 | somiaj | wysi: Not sure, I have openbsd-inetd and have been using sid for years. But update-inetd does not support xinetd so if youw ant to use it, you will probabaly have to configure anything by hand that calls the update-inetd tool |
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| 18:19.10 | somiaj | wysi: I saw nothing in the package descriptions about one being depericated or prefered over another. |
| 18:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html |
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| 18:21.53 | jelly | somiaj: changing the partition type in the partition table doesn't touch data. |
| 18:22.22 | somiaj | jelly: I didn't think it would, but its better to be safe than sorry when messing with partition tables. |
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| 18:22.37 | jelly | it doesn't change the filesystem at all, actually |
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| 18:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | It is rather suspicious that this device appears as two devices on his system - hdd and hde. |
| 18:23.16 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 18:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Did this device ever work? Is it a standard USB stick? |
| 18:24.00 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: it might be the very first multipath usb device! |
| 18:24.24 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: yes ! it used to work so nice , used to plug it in my car , then stopped suddenly |
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| 18:25.04 | jelly | zak_: pastebin the complete output of "blkid", but remove the files /etc/blkid.tab* first |
| 18:25.05 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: So it's rather unlikely that the filesystem changed types on it's own. |
| 18:25.07 | wysi | somiaj: well i guess i will go with the openbsd inetd then |
| 18:25.19 | wysi | somiaj: thx for the info |
| 18:25.49 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: There is a chance that you are looking at two different devices. |
| 18:26.16 | jelly | and possibly messing with the wrong one |
| 18:28.01 | zak_ | http://pastebin.com/MeaCcfQ5 |
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| 18:29.52 | jelly | zak_: so now there's no /dev/sdd1 or /dev/sde1 at all |
| 18:30.39 | zak_ | jelly: it changed to sdc1 after i changed the partion table using gparted !strange !! |
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| 18:31.31 | jelly | zak_: grep . /sys/block/sd*/size |
| 18:31.35 | zak_ | but take a look here http://pastebin.com/iDgFMDup |
| 18:31.39 | zak_ | jelly: ok hold on please |
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| 18:32.29 | zak_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/wDpSfT3Y |
| 18:34.19 | jelly | zak_: ok, so /dev/sdc looks like a 1GB stick. |
| 18:34.24 | zak_ | yes |
| 18:34.58 | zak_ | but i can plug in it a 16 GB usb stick and 6 GB memory stick :) |
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| 18:35.11 | zak_ | so i got 23gb :) |
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| 18:36.56 | jelly | plug what in what?? |
| 18:37.44 | zak_ | euhhh how to tell ya that :) well i plugged i nthe cigartee lighter , then it just uses the FM mofulator wave |
| 18:37.49 | zak_ | modulator |
| 18:38.28 | zak_ | plug the 1gb in the cigatette lighter in the car , then it just has a usb out and a stick memory reader in it :) |
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| 18:39.28 | jelly | mayhaps I didn't want to know |
| 18:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: On your original fdisk -l paste, sde looks like a single fat16 device, or like a failed USB drive. |
| 18:40.02 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:42.11 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/f4L9qcU1 |
| 18:43.12 | zak_ | damn it did not list my dev/sdc :( |
| 18:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Ok, so now it has a single fat32 partition. What next? |
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| 18:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Yes it did. |
| 18:43.54 | zak_ | hein ? |
| 18:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | Lines 32-40 |
| 18:44.16 | zak_ | needs to smoke to concentrate , all this stuf is quite new to him :) |
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| 18:44.41 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: yes :) |
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| 18:45.08 | jhutchins_lt | So what next? If that was the device that originally appeared as sde, you've re-partiioned it. |
| 18:45.19 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: is there any way to check drives on linux?i mean i just wanna be sure that the usb drive is not corrupted |
| 18:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: In that case, you're setting up a new drive; next step is to format it. |
| 18:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: If you've repartitioned it there's no point, the old data is gone. |
| 18:45.57 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt:o pb i got them all :) |
| 18:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Yes, there is fsck for file system check. |
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| 18:46.30 | zak_ | does this tell me if the drive has bad blocks |
| 18:46.40 | jordanm | "badblocks" does |
| 18:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc will format the partition, and it may tell you about bad blocks. fsck may also tell you about bad blocks. |
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| 18:48.00 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: ''mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sdc'' :o |
| 18:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. |
| 18:48.11 | zak_ | ? |
| 18:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | ah. |
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| 18:48.24 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: You created sdc1, that's what you format. |
| 18:48.34 | jhutchins_lt | sorry, I left the 1 off. |
| 18:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: so mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc1 |
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| 18:50.56 | zak_ | mkfs.vfat: /dev/sdc1 contains a mounted file system. /umount dev/sdc1 gave me '' |
| 18:51.00 | zak_ | meeh:/home/zak # umount dev/sdc1 |
| 18:51.01 | zak_ | umount: dev/sdc1: not found |
| 18:51.13 | guest | I wanted to try virtualbox on debian testing, of course I downloaded the cd1 image from the site, when I run the installation the add-ons there was the desktop environment and in fact the restart I found myself in the shell, the last once the environment was, for it should I download the second cd? I think it is absurd, i'm sorry for my weak english |
| 18:51.41 | zak_ | oops it is /dev/sdc1 :) |
| 18:51.48 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: now it is working :) |
| 18:52.02 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: done :) |
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| 18:53.41 | jordanm | guest: most people want the netinst, not the cd set |
| 18:53.56 | jordanm | guest: you wanted to install the "desktop" task during installation |
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| 18:55.22 | guest | yes but there was |
| 18:55.42 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: is there ny other step that i should do ? |
| 18:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Now you can mount it, load it with mp3s, and see if the player can read them. |
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| 18:57.26 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: ok :) but before i just want to show you 3 picpastes |
| 18:58.56 | guest | se non ricordo male installano la stable con il cd1 al riavvio mi ritrovavo con gnome, ma installando la testing no |
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| 18:59.13 | abrotman | Guest: english here |
| 18:59.40 | themill | (or #debian-it) |
| 19:00.09 | guest | if I remember correctly install the stable with the cd1 restart I found myself with gnome, but not installing the testing, I forgot that it is an international channel :-p |
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| 19:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | guest: Yes, we recommend you get to know debian with stable t before you start working with the test team on new releases. |
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| 19:04.07 | met_ | hi, is it possible to get the configuration which was used when compiling a package? |
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| 19:04.50 | guest | yes I know, but I wanted to try the testing on virtualbox, but after installation I find myself without a desktop |
| 19:04.51 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: http://pastie.org/1303331 / http://www.picpaste.com/sdc-ebYCAqaD.png / http://www.picpaste.com/sdc1-kyPFPL9M.png / http://www.picpaste.com/sdd-5VGTbGPS.png |
| 19:04.53 | helo | met_: you mean the series of --no-FEATURE or --with-stuff? |
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| 19:05.19 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: is that really normal ? (talking about the last pic) you can zoom it to read waht is written ) |
| 19:05.30 | met_ | especially the prefix (which is nevertheless easy to figure out), but the feature options, too, yes. |
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| 19:07.00 | themill | met_: you need to download the source package and look in the file debian/rules. /msg dpkg source; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:07.08 | met_ | thank you |
| 19:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Do you understand what "parse" means? |
| 19:07.19 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: ?hein ?? |
| 19:07.44 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. It means to read something and understand what it's trying to tell you. That's what you need to do with error messages. |
| 19:07.46 | zak_ | analyse |
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| 19:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, essentially, and then tell us "when I try to run cfdisk on a partition instead of a device, I get this error" rather than screen shots of text. |
| 19:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Anyway, what generates the error message? |
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| 19:08.51 | zak_ | cfdisk /dev/sdd |
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| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | We suspect sdd may not be a valid device then. |
| 19:09.20 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: corrypted you mean ? |
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| 19:09.43 | jhutchins_lt | No, not an actual storage device, or something that the system can't read. Does fdisk -l show sdd? |
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| 19:10.03 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: WHat is it physically? |
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| 19:10.46 | zak_ | i don't know , ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb* generates me /dev/sdc /dev/sdc1/ dev/sdd !! so strange , isn't it ? |
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| 19:11.32 | zak_ | and when i type '' mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdd'' i got '' mkfs.vfat: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdd' (use -I to override)'' |
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| 19:12.48 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Right, as someone told you earlier, you don't usually format a drive, you format a partition on the drive. |
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| 19:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: lsusb might tell you more about that device. |
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| 19:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Don't go formatting and partitioning things unless you know what they are, you can break things that way. |
| 19:13.51 | zak_ | ok |
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| 19:14.46 | thewanderer1 | well, Windows I think formats whole devices (pendrives) and manufacturers deliver them as such (vfat) |
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| 19:14.56 | Connor_ | I installed Ubuntu on my desktop last night and it was REALLY slow... |
| 19:14.57 | u42p | if i install webalizer, is a cronjob automatically added? |
| 19:15.11 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: gonne try it in the car ,cross my fingers :) brb |
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| 19:15.36 | thewanderer1 | u42p: you can usually check this by inspecting the usual cronjob places - /etc/cron.d/ |
| 19:15.55 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: thanks a lot for your help and your patience :) |
| 19:16.14 | u42p | thewanderer1: i need to know beforehand. trying to convince a server admin to install it :] |
| 19:16.20 | stew | webalizer: /etc/cron.daily/webalizer |
| 19:16.23 | themill | u42p: apt-file show webalizer |
| 19:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: So you've mounted it and copied a file to it? Don't forget to dismount before removing (otherwise it may get stuck in ram). |
| 19:16.41 | thewanderer1 | u42p: check packages.debian.org and see file list :P |
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| 19:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | u42p: You may want to look at awffull too, it's a fork of webalizer that may be more recently maintained. |
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| 19:27.58 | daemon | hey all I am trying to install request-tracker but it keeps trying to drag in apache, I use lighttpd is there anyway I can tell it to setup for that instead? |
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| 19:28.00 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: did as you told me so ! i can see the files i dumped in it in dolphin , but it refuses to play/display songs |
| 19:28.34 | abrotman | daemon: in lenny? |
| 19:28.38 | daemon | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:29.03 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: in a sense it just works as HDD , with no software on it !!( |
| 19:29.22 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: Right, the software wouldn't be on it unless you put it there. |
| 19:29.29 | daemon | abrotman, I am trying to install version 3.6 |
| 19:29.33 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: I was afraid of that. |
| 19:29.37 | daemon | 3.8 has conflicts with my current system |
| 19:29.50 | abrotman | daemon: given one of the depends is "rt3.6-apache2" .. i doubt it |
| 19:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | zak_: You're going to have to track down the original software, possibly the manufacturer has a web site with support. |
| 19:30.01 | daemon | sigh ok cheers abrotman |
| 19:30.04 | zak_ | i did put nothing but used to read tracks and display tiltes and play them , but not anymore |
| 19:30.19 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: that's waht iam going to look for |
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| 19:32.14 | u42p | thanks |
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| 19:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions quanta |
| 19:33.48 | judd | Package quanta on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
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| 19:34.33 | diago | any suggestions on server monitoring software |
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| 19:34.48 | diago | for disk, cpu and mem |
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| 19:35.53 | stew | diago: munin |
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| 19:36.25 | jhutchins_lt | diago: I use nagios |
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| 19:37.22 | diago | I just read about munin and how it can work with nagios |
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| 19:37.31 | diago | ok, thanks. I will go that route |
| 19:38.05 | diago | I guess I need nagios to send alerts? It looks like munin is a bunch of web graphs only |
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| 19:40.52 | stew | diago: yeah, if you want alerts, use nagios |
| 19:41.11 | stew | or perhaps icinga, which I need to figure out if I should be moving towards |
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| 19:43.15 | diago | lol, thanks stew |
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| 19:46.24 | zak_ | jhutchins_lt: would you mind please checking the error in this report ?http://pastebin.com/7n1h6LQ0 |
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| 19:48.51 | Penol | Net::twitter dont work on my server :( http://pastebin.no/z3282 |
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| 19:51.55 | thewanderer1 | yes Penol, you need it installed in one of those search directories... |
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| 19:52.30 | Penol | I installed via sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell |
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| 19:52.41 | Penol | what to do ? |
| 19:52.52 | Penol | I have googled for 3 days :( |
| 19:53.17 | helo | i've been googling for years |
| 19:53.24 | thewanderer1 | helo: 42 |
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| 19:54.07 | poisonbit | you can try dh_make_perl to generate a .deb for stable, backport the libnet-twitter-perl from squeeze or sid, or see which part of your commands failed |
| 19:54.14 | stew | Penol: i'd recommend sticking with debian packages |
| 19:54.17 | stew | Penol: what poisonbit said |
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| 19:55.10 | jelly-home | well if the module installed, presumably it passed its own tests |
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| 19:55.53 | sllide | how can i change my screen resolution with a tty? |
| 19:56.01 | sllide | X doesnt display :/ |
| 19:56.13 | jelly-home | sllide: in X, xrandr tool |
| 19:56.30 | thewanderer1 | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600 |
| 19:56.44 | thewanderer1 | I know those silly monitors which refuse to display "non-native" res |
| 19:56.52 | sllide | well, i got a HDMI screen lol |
| 19:56.57 | sllide | it says it isnt receiving input |
| 19:57.14 | thewanderer1 | I hope it's not HDMCP :) |
| 19:57.24 | sllide | hdmcp? |
| 19:57.32 | thewanderer1 | yes, DRM for displays :) |
| 19:57.34 | sllide | i know its fullHD and has a HDMI port :p |
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| 19:57.56 | sllide | no protocol specified |
| 19:58.02 | sllide | cant open display 0 |
| 19:58.26 | thewanderer1 | well, you need to execute this as the same user |
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| 19:58.39 | sllide | i did |
| 19:58.44 | sllide | both via jari |
| 19:58.51 | sllide | mah username :3 |
| 19:58.56 | thewanderer1 | and if it says "can't open display" it means that X is not really running |
| 19:59.00 | sllide | odd |
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| 19:59.13 | sllide | on my second screen it says that the refreshing rate is to high |
| 19:59.27 | sllide | and the first says it isnt receiving input at all |
| 19:59.35 | sllide | (fresh install btw) |
| 19:59.36 | thewanderer1 | thinks he shall wait with HDMI for 5 years more |
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| 20:00.28 | luke123 | hello :-) |
| 20:00.30 | sllide | shall a new install work? |
| 20:00.39 | sllide | meh, ill try it |
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| 20:02.08 | luke123 | i installed banshee from experimental to get a new version but in info it says version 1.6.1 (synaptic says 1.8.0-2) did i make a mistake? |
| 20:02.35 | stew | luke123: what version does dpkg think is installed? |
| 20:02.36 | thewanderer1 | perhaps they didn't update the version string? it's experimental. I wouldn't be surprised if my version said sqrt(5i) |
| 20:03.04 | stew | luke123: or can you show us theoutput of "apt-cache policy banshee"? |
| 20:03.10 | stew | luke123: (use a pastebin) |
| 20:03.28 | luke123 | sure jut a moment |
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| 20:04.00 | cdave | guys, i am trying to create debian package and want to script some action based on "data center" i am in... any pointers ? .. not sure how to use posinst ? |
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| 20:05.06 | thewanderer1 | cdave: first you come up with a way to check the data center you are in :) |
| 20:05.15 | thewanderer1 | postinst is just a bash script |
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| 20:05.50 | luke123 | stew, http://pastebin.com/2eiEugkf |
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| 20:06.10 | thewanderer1 | actually, for portability reasons, it might be wise to make the action check the env and execute itself at runtime so that you can move disks later and not worry |
| 20:06.21 | thewanderer1 | statelessness is good |
| 20:06.22 | cdave | so,when i install the package, it will execute as long as postinst file exists ? |
| 20:06.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, just remember to make it +x |
| 20:06.42 | cdave | kk |
| 20:07.10 | stew | luke123: and how are you getting ht version from banshee? |
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| 20:07.41 | luke123 | stew, pulldown menu in banshee => info |
| 20:08.20 | luke123 | help => info |
| 20:08.44 | luke123 | Banshee 1.6.1 |
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| 20:09.11 | stew | luke123: i just installed it and i have "help->version information" and it gives me 1.8.0 |
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| 20:09.17 | stew | luke123: what does "which banshee" return? |
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| 20:10.16 | luke123 | which banshee |
| 20:10.16 | luke123 | /usr/bin/banshee |
| 20:10.38 | stew | luke123: what does "banshee --version" return? |
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| 20:11.11 | luke123 | Banshee 1.8.0 (1.8.0) http://banshee.fm |
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| 20:11.22 | stew | luke123: how are you starting banshee? |
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| 20:12.10 | luke123 | stew, via console |
| 20:12.33 | stew | dunno, doesn't make sense to me |
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| 20:13.31 | luke123 | stew, to me either |
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| 20:13.38 | diago | stew: looks like the debian built packages for icinga are broken ATM from http://icinga.snow-crash.org/ |
| 20:14.00 | diago | for lenny anyway |
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| 20:15.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icinga |
| 20:15.28 | judd | Package icinga on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; sid: 1.2.1-1 |
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| 20:18.17 | luke123 | stew, /usr/lib/banshee-1/banshee.exe? |
| 20:18.36 | stew | luke123: i don't understand the question |
| 20:19.06 | luke123 | stew, im a little confused....*.exe i thought thats windows |
| 20:19.51 | thewanderer1 | banshee is one of those *wonderful* programs written in .NET for Linux, so-called Mono I think |
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| 20:20.32 | thewanderer1 | so it is most logical choice to call it with .exe extension to mark it so that you can call `find / -name *.exe -exec rm {} \;` when you want to get rid of crap |
| 20:20.34 | luke123 | thats the path the version-information tells me for banshee 1.6.0.0 ;-) |
| 20:20.50 | themill | thewanderer1: don't tell people to do stupid things like that |
| 20:20.57 | thewanderer1 | ok, sorry |
| 20:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | diago: Did you mean the debian built packages in backports or the icinga built packages in their repos? |
| 20:22.30 | diago | icinga's packages |
| 20:22.39 | diago | I didn't know about the backports, I'll try those |
| 20:23.07 | stew | fwiw, http://icinga.snow-crash.org/ is the same guy that started backports.org |
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| 20:33.15 | yuri___ | Guys, really, why doesn't initrd do vgchange -ay on my machine ?????? |
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| 20:33.41 | yuri___ | I've got a test VM where it does that. How the heck it happens that on production machine 300 miles away it doesn't want to dot that? |
| 20:33.59 | yuri___ | this is really frustrating |
| 20:34.10 | yuri___ | i've looked all over initrd code but can't find a thing |
| 20:34.18 | yuri___ | also , how is ROOT variable assigned? |
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| 20:34.32 | thewanderer1 | what initrd? do you mean initramfs scripts? |
| 20:34.38 | yuri___ | yes |
| 20:34.38 | luke123 | stew, sorry....problem solved.....banshee was still open in the taskbar so it didnt open the new version |
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| 20:35.09 | yuri___ | the problem is that it drops in shell and I SEE that vgchange -ay wasn't done |
| 20:35.10 | thewanderer1 | yuri___: I think it's a hook/script introduced by `lvm` package |
| 20:35.22 | yuri___ | EVERYTHING is installed |
| 20:35.29 | yuri___ | lvm, initramfstools, kerkenl |
| 20:35.32 | yuri___ | EVERYTHONG |
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| 20:35.49 | thewanderer1 | so have you replicated the environment entirely? |
| 20:36.07 | yuri___ | I can do whatever you ask me to do here |
| 20:36.27 | yuri___ | I've compared initrd's with test VM -- identical |
| 20:36.30 | yuri___ | in terms of scripts |
| 20:36.45 | yuri___ | this is crazzy, I didn't expect something like this from debian |
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| 20:37.41 | stew | yuri___: did the lv exist when the initrd was built? did you try rebuiling the initrd? |
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| 20:38.19 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.37 | jhutchins_lt | yuri___: This is not something from debian, this is something from a VM. |
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| 20:38.52 | yuri___ | guy, the initrd on VM works fine |
| 20:38.58 | yuri___ | it doesn't work on production hardware |
| 20:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | diago: So are you converting from nagios or starting from scratch? |
| 20:39.18 | yuri___ | stew: I updated initrd image |
| 20:39.25 | yuri___ | lvm was present long ago |
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| 20:39.41 | Pendrag0n | you might have to tweak that lsof path |
| 20:39.43 | jhutchins_lt | yuri___: Ah, I see. So it's dealing with the physical RAID that's the problem. |
| 20:39.53 | diago | jhutchins_lt: starting from scratch |
| 20:40.07 | yuri___ | jhutchins_lt: I'm bootinf off KLVMN |
| 20:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | diago: I wonder how functional it is. |
| 20:40.21 | yuri___ | /dev/sda1 has PV, |
| 20:40.31 | yuri___ | /dev/sda , /dev/sda1 are recognized |
| 20:40.33 | yuri___ | I can do: |
| 20:40.39 | yuri___ | (initramfs sheell) |
| 20:40.41 | yuri___ | lvm |
| 20:40.46 | yuri___ | vgchange -ay |
| 20:40.51 | yuri___ | ctrl+d |
| 20:40.51 | stew | yuri___: if you run vgchange from in the initrd, does it succeed? |
| 20:40.52 | yuri___ | ctrl+d |
| 20:40.55 | yuri___ | and it works |
| 20:41.01 | yuri___ | YES!!!!!! |
| 20:41.08 | yuri___ | that's hillarrious |
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| 20:41.55 | yuri___ | I'd be doing ANYTHIONG on test VM, but this is production and it's down |
| 20:42.04 | yuri___ | because of this glitch |
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| 20:42.26 | yuri___ | <------># Make sure that the device includes at least one dash |
| 20:42.42 | yuri___ | if [ "$(echo -n "$vg" | tr -d -)" = "$vg" ]; then |
| 20:43.02 | yuri___ | that's crazy, $vg doesn't contain any "dashes". |
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| 20:43.18 | yuri___ | it contains /dev/volume/logical . NO dashes |
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| 20:43.31 | yuri___ | how the heck it supposed to work is a mistery to me |
| 20:43.37 | fbs | what is the diff between freenode/#deb and oftc/#deb ? |
| 20:43.39 | jelly-home | yuri___: no /dev/mapper/vg-lv ? |
| 20:43.47 | stew | fbs: they are on different irc networks |
| 20:44.00 | fbs | yeah, but why are there 2? |
| 20:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: A little more traffic here. |
| 20:44.10 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: Why not? |
| 20:44.21 | stew | fbs: there are far more than 2 |
| 20:44.27 | diago | backports icinga is working, well see in a couple minutes jhutchins_lt |
| 20:44.32 | jelly-home | fbs: to confuse users. |
| 20:44.37 | fbs | :P |
| 20:44.49 | fbs | the most debian stuff i can find is on OFTC |
| 20:44.55 | fbs | #debian-* |
| 20:45.03 | yuri___ | sorry for shouting |
| 20:45.09 | stew | fbs: yes, most developer channels are on oftc. there are more debian users on this network |
| 20:45.24 | yuri___ | jelly-home: i'm passing root=/dev/volume/logical, it works on test VM |
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| 20:45.34 | jelly-home | fbs: except some channels didn't move off to OFTC when it'd been decided to move from freenode to oftc. |
| 20:45.39 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: The specialty channels on oftc are mostly dead. |
| 20:46.02 | stew | yuri___: and so root=/dev/mapper/volume-logical might work better |
| 20:46.06 | jelly-home | yuri___: I use root=LABEL=foo and let initrd figure it out |
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| 20:46.52 | fbs | ah |
| 20:46.56 | fbs | ok ty |
| 20:46.57 | yuri___ | jelly-home: I'd kiss you right now if it worked there |
| 20:47.16 | yuri___ | i've tried LABEL, but I don't even have /dev/disk/by-label/ entries |
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| 20:47.24 | sumbuz | hi, how can I enter a passprase when mounting an encrypted drive seeing what I type? |
| 20:48.00 | jelly-home | fbs: it's fun; the move seemed to be at least politically motivated anyway. #debian-xfce stayed here, and #debian was mysteriously left as-is, a duplicate created on oftc |
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| 20:49.22 | Krolik13 | debian:~# apt-get update |
| 20:49.22 | Krolik13 | Get:1 http://ftp.ee.debian.org testing/main Packages [8478kB] Get:2 http://ftp.ee.debian.org testing/main Release [83B] Fetched 8478kB in 1m6s (127kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ee.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-mipsel_Packages (1) |
| 20:49.22 | Krolik13 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 20:50.13 | Krolik13 | could anyone help me to fix it? I've deleted all from /var/lib/apt/lists/* but it didn't help |
| 20:50.18 | keith4 | try a different mirror |
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| 20:50.50 | fbs | jelly-home: till 5 mins ago i never heard of the chan on oftc |
| 20:51.21 | Krolik13 | keith4> which one do you advice (for mipsel) |
| 20:51.21 | jelly-home | fbs: it's official baby! irc.debian.org! |
| 20:51.28 | diago | is there a quick way to just install what has been suggested? |
| 20:52.03 | fbs | last time i used irc.deb i got connected to freenode |
| 20:52.05 | keith4 | Krolik13: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:52.12 | fbs | jelly-home: when did it change? |
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| 20:52.18 | stew | !oftc move |
| 20:52.18 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 20:54.21 | jelly-home | stew: that thread doesn't really explain the reasons leading to the move |
| 20:54.55 | cruejones | hi, how can I use a debian DVD as a local mirror to point my preseed file to? ie. mount it loopback, share via http/apache and point netinstaller to it as a mirror? |
| 20:55.00 | stew | jelly-home: i've never heard a satisfactory reason |
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| 20:55.15 | Krolik13 | keith4> i've tried right now with a different mirror: i've got the same error. What else I can check? |
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| 20:55.39 | jelly-home | stew: I'm going to troll about it in the official official channel! |
| 20:55.54 | stew | dpkg: oftc move =~ s,Want to know why? See,See also, |
| 20:55.54 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 20:56.11 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:56.40 | luke123 | stew, thanks for your help :-) |
| 20:56.43 | yuri___ | I modified the script to do vgchange -ay and it worked |
| 20:56.59 | yuri___ | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 |
| 20:57.03 | yuri___ | debian owes me money |
| 20:57.11 | foetus | so lets play COD..bye |
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| 20:58.02 | Krolik13 | keith4> i've tried right now with a different mirror: i've got the same error. What else I can check? It failes at 88% Reading Package Lists... 88% |
| 20:58.14 | keith4 | dunno |
| 20:58.15 | Krolik13 | there is any debug ON feature for: apt-get update ? |
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| 20:59.13 | drawks | hey all |
| 20:59.50 | drawks | anyone in here know what/where I can specify some additional output directories/versions for python-support? |
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| 20:59.58 | jelly-home | Krolik13: tried using a different mirror? |
| 21:00.12 | Krolik13 | jelly-home> yes , didn't help :( |
| 21:00.17 | drawks | I'd like update-python-modules to at least /try/ and make modules available to a locally compiled python2.7 |
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| 21:01.02 | Krolik13 | jelly-home> do you have any idea? |
| 21:01.09 | Krolik13 | people, help me please |
| 21:01.31 | stew | yuri___: you owe debian patches and bug reports |
| 21:01.56 | Krolik13 | debian:~# apt-get update |
| 21:01.56 | Krolik13 | Get:1 http://ftp.ee.debian.org testing/main Packages [8478kB] Get:2 http://ftp.ee.debian.org testing/main Release [83B] Fetched 8478kB in 1m6s (127kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ee.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-mipsel_Packages (1) |
| 21:01.56 | Krolik13 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Failing at: Reading Package Lists... 88%. I've tried different mirrors. Cleared the lists. No luck. |
| 21:02.11 | jelly-home | Krolik13: that's still the same mirror ;-) |
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| 21:02.29 | stew | Krolik13: does that file actually exist? |
| 21:02.50 | jelly-home | Krolik13: any stupid reasons, like /var filled up? |
| 21:03.14 | Krolik13 | Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:03.28 | Krolik13 | ./dev/cfa2 115 66 44 61% / |
| 21:03.34 | Krolik13 | ./dev/cfa3 355 127 210 38% /usr |
| 21:03.38 | Krolik13 | - |
| 21:03.42 | jelly-home | df -i ? |
| 21:03.58 | Krolik13 | debian:/var/lib/apt/lists# ls |
| 21:03.58 | Krolik13 | ftp.ro.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-mipsel_Packages lock |
| 21:03.58 | Krolik13 | ftp.ro.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-mipsel_Release partial |
| 21:04.31 | Krolik13 | debian:/var/lib/apt/lists# df -i |
| 21:04.31 | Krolik13 | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 21:04.31 | Krolik13 | ./dev/cfa2 30360 3130 27230 11% / |
| 21:04.31 | Krolik13 | ./dev/cfa3 93840 8377 85463 9% /usr |
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| 21:04.51 | Krolik13 | any ideas? |
| 21:05.07 | Krolik13 | may be it doesn't have enough RAM? |
| 21:05.38 | stew | Krolik13: please don't flood the channel. if you have more stuff to paste, use a paste site instead |
| 21:05.42 | stew | Krolik13: how much ram does it have? |
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| 21:05.51 | stew | Krolik13: does the file it is complaining about exist? |
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| 21:06.12 | thewanderer1 | Krolik13: check dmesg for OoM conditions |
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| 21:07.05 | Krolik13 | stew> i would like to see more errors on 'apt-get update', but this is all that i've got |
| 21:07.09 | Krolik13 | nothing usefull in dmesg |
| 21:07.26 | Krolik13 | Total RAM is about 64Mb |
| 21:07.32 | Krolik13 | how can i check free RAM? |
| 21:07.42 | thewanderer1 | 64Mb is no good, I hope you mean 64MB |
| 21:07.49 | Krolik13 | top is saying |
| 21:07.50 | Krolik13 | Mem: 28004k total, 27396k used, 608k free, 908k buffers |
| 21:07.50 | Krolik13 | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 21232k cached |
| 21:08.08 | thewanderer1 | you're somewhat low on memory I think |
| 21:08.17 | thewanderer1 | and you seem to have 28MB memory |
| 21:08.20 | Krolik13 | as i see, it has 32Mb :) |
| 21:08.25 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 21:08.35 | Krolik13 | but i was installing debian 2 year ago on it |
| 21:08.35 | thewanderer1 | now, this is some obstacle |
| 21:08.43 | Krolik13 | and for sure i was using apt-get update |
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| 21:08.57 | Krolik13 | i just want to update some packets.. |
| 21:08.58 | thewanderer1 | you know, the repos are getting bigger and their Packages files follow in |
| 21:09.01 | Krolik13 | and i can not do it :( |
| 21:09.04 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: which release are you running? |
| 21:09.20 | Krolik13 | how can i check what release? |
| 21:09.25 | thewanderer1 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:09.46 | Krolik13 | debian:~# uname -a |
| 21:09.46 | Krolik13 | Linux debian 2.4.29 #4 Thu Mar 24 17:35:10 EET 2005 mips GNU/Linux |
| 21:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | and/or look at sources.list and see what it's pulling the unparsable files from. |
| 21:09.58 | Krolik13 | debian:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:09.59 | Krolik13 | testing/unstable |
| 21:10.23 | jamfade | eth0 goes into promiscuous mode, ifconfig eth0 -promisc does nothing. I'm a bit worried about this. Any help appreciated. |
| 21:10.29 | jelly-home | Krolik13: uh... what was testing/unstable in 2005 won't be able to accept packages from testing/unstable in 2010 |
| 21:10.42 | jelly-home | Krolik13: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:10.43 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: That's a really big jump. |
| 21:10.52 | Krolik13 | it is a remote box |
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| 21:10.59 | Krolik13 | i can not do radical upgrade |
| 21:11.06 | Krolik13 | what do you advice in this case? |
| 21:11.10 | stew | Krolik13: to get a new box |
| 21:11.11 | jelly-home | Krolik13: then stop trying to do it. |
| 21:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: There is a completely different architecture to the system now with the 2.6 kernels. |
| 21:11.34 | Krolik13 | debian:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:11.34 | Krolik13 | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 21:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: The current system is also not going to be happy with 32M of RAM. |
| 21:11.39 | stew | Krolik13: also to stop flooding the channel and start using a pastebin instead |
| 21:12.08 | Krolik13 | my goal is not to get a new system. but is to isntall some packages on it... |
| 21:12.12 | Krolik13 | let them be from 2005 |
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| 21:12.27 | thewanderer1 | okay Krolik13, search for some apt settings that set memory limits |
| 21:12.32 | Krolik13 | unfortunately i'm not sure if i can get downloaded the repository from 2005 :( |
| 21:12.39 | qq- | !ado |
| 21:12.39 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 21:12.42 | jelly-home | Krolik13: that's almost an etch libc6. You might be able to use sarge or etch packages. "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" if you absolutely have to install a package or three. |
| 21:12.45 | stew | Krolik13: you missed 2 releases, so your sources.list should be pointing to etch instead of testing |
| 21:12.58 | thewanderer1 | `strace` command should also let you see where exactly which commands are failing |
| 21:13.11 | jelly-home | Krolik13: it's older than etch so things might as well break if you install _anything_ |
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| 21:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | So that would be a sarge system, or maybe etch testing? |
| 21:13.22 | stew | etch testing |
| 21:13.32 | jelly-home | Krolik13: if in doubt, use packages from sarge. |
| 21:13.35 | Bushmills | Krolik13: is that a router. or similar embedded device? |
| 21:13.44 | Krolik13 | Bushmills> yes, routerboard |
| 21:13.50 | thewanderer1 | I would say get more SWAP |
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| 21:14.03 | thewanderer1 | a lot more |
| 21:14.04 | stew | Krolik13: when upgrading to etch, you might find you can get it to work (but very slowly) with some swapspace |
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| 21:14.12 | Bushmills | well, 32 MB of RAM should be fine, even with 2.6 kernels |
| 21:14.15 | Krolik13 | ok, my goal is to isntall the 'links2' web brawser |
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| 21:14.28 | Krolik13 | what it the best way to do it in my case, without harming the system? |
| 21:14.33 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: yes, but not for apt-get loading the package cache without swap! |
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| 21:14.37 | thewanderer1 | Krolik13: get swap |
| 21:14.45 | stew | Krolik13: install new memory, then upgrade to etch, then upgrade to lenny |
| 21:14.49 | reber | hi all. I need to synchronise 2 directories. Wich tool less memory hungry than rsync to use please ? |
| 21:14.53 | stew | Krolik13: then install links2 |
| 21:15.03 | Krolik13 | this sounds like a mission imposible |
| 21:15.04 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: you have a point there |
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| 21:15.16 | Krolik13 | at this point i don't have phisical access at box, as it is in the datacenter |
| 21:15.48 | thewanderer1 | alright Krolik13, if your kernel has support for NBD (which I hope it does) and some fast network you could try swap over NBD |
| 21:15.53 | Tauro | hi, I have a edimax ew-7728in wireless pci with the rt2860 chipset... I already installed the drivers and the firmware, but I have some problems to connect to my WPA2 network... can anybody help me? |
| 21:16.16 | jhutchins_lt | This might be a better job for emdebian or for one of the dedicated router distros like dd-wrt. |
| 21:16.33 | thewanderer1 | or even over NFS with a loopfile, which I have no idea if is possible but still worth trying, Krolik13 |
| 21:16.51 | Krolik13 | thewanderer1> what would give me a better swap? i just understant from you, that apt-get update will scrue the whole system. what i need, is just to install a specific package like: 'links2' |
| 21:17.44 | FalTam | aptitude |
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| 21:18.08 | jhutchins_lt | Did you guys notice that his "disk" is compact flash and only 355M? |
| 21:18.09 | stew | Krolik13: before you try to install anything, you should point your sources to etch instead of testing. you will not be able to run anything in testing until you upgrade your kernel, then upgrade to etch then upgrade to lenny then upgrade to testing |
| 21:18.13 | thewanderer1 | Krolik13: you need to upgrade at some point anyway... upgrading step-by-step (->etch->lenny) would be wise. and when it comes to swap, I think NBD should be faster if you can run it |
| 21:18.20 | Bushmills | Krolik13: download package, use dpkg -i. but, recent links2 will require a some more upgrading of other packages - dpkg won't deal with them by itself |
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| 21:18.37 | thewanderer1 | so updating the system to etch and then to lenny is kind of crucial |
| 21:18.53 | thewanderer1 | the worst that you can expect is some udev struggle |
| 21:18.55 | cruejones | does debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true work on debian 506? |
| 21:19.10 | cruejones | on append line for pxe and my local mirror is still failing |
| 21:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I don't think stock lenny is going to work on this system. |
| 21:19.22 | thewanderer1 | oh well, why not? |
| 21:19.31 | Krolik13 | 1. i've replaced the old repository with the new one that can not be readable due to small amount of memory. 2. how can i come back to the old repository from 2005? 3.can i install a very old version of 'links2' from 2005, that will match my current old libs? |
| 21:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | Look at the specs. |
| 21:19.37 | jelly-home | it's a very small system |
| 21:19.42 | stew | thewanderer1: becuase its < 28mb of ram and not enough disk space to fit the base install |
| 21:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | How big is a standard lenny install? |
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| 21:19.55 | diago | jhutchins_lt: the install finished, it took some apache fiddling for the web portion but it looks like things are being monitored |
| 21:19.57 | thewanderer1 | should be below 300M |
| 21:20.05 | thewanderer1 | and memory: get NBD swap |
| 21:20.24 | Tauro | my problem: http://pastie.org/1303762 |
| 21:20.29 | jhutchins_lt | diago: Cool. I have a nagios system, and it was a pain and doesn't give me reliable uptime graphs when my connection goes bad. |
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| 21:20.36 | Krolik13 | 1. i've replaced the old repository with the new one that can not be readable due to small amount of memory. 2. how can i come back to the old repository from 2005? 3.can i install a very old version of 'links2' from 2005, that will match my current old libs? |
| 21:20.43 | jelly-home | Krolik13: 2., use the repo for either debian 3.1 (sarge) or debian 4.0 (etch). /msg dpkg sarge sources.list |
| 21:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: THis is not a PC, this is a router. |
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| 21:20.53 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Like a linksys or something. |
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| 21:21.09 | Bushmills | Krolik13: i'd probably check out openwrt for your routerboard |
| 21:21.26 | stew | Tauro: pixelpress? is that related to openpixel? |
| 21:21.45 | Bushmills | i'm running a mips based, 32 MB RAM system with that too |
| 21:21.47 | Tauro | stew, no, that's only my server name ;) |
| 21:22.03 | stew | does etch's libc6 work with linux 2.4? |
| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | yes, mostly |
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| 21:22.15 | Krolik13 | jelly-home> can you explain me more about step2? |
| 21:22.33 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: There are a lot of problems with trying to run that very out-dated version of debian on that system. I would look into the possibility of installing dd-wrt, openwrt, tomato, or some other dedicated router system that is designed to work with the restricted hardware. |
| 21:22.37 | jelly-home | Krolik13: have you asked the bot about "sarge sources.list"? |
| 21:22.45 | metalfoo | Etch did ship with 2.4 too if I'm not totally wrong, so I think it will work fine. |
| 21:22.52 | stew | metalfoo: it did not |
| 21:22.56 | jelly-home | metalfoo: you're totally wrong |
| 21:22.59 | metalfoo | Was that Woody? |
| 21:23.03 | diago | and I'm already getting emails! Great |
| 21:23.03 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I can understand this, but this would not prevent one from using swap memory from remote host over network, and perhaps even expanding storage with NFS or a complete netboot, would it? |
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| 21:23.08 | stew | and yeah, some things won't work with 2.4 |
| 21:23.33 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Basically that would be a rediculous solution. |
| 21:23.42 | thewanderer1 | why? routers commonly boot off network |
| 21:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's not going to be able to perform as a router trying to swap it's OS over the network. |
| 21:23.55 | metalfoo | Was it Woody shipping with both, 2.4 and 2.6 then? |
| 21:24.05 | stew | metalfoo: yes |
| 21:24.05 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: it needs to swap only when using apt-get anyway |
| 21:24.13 | thewanderer1 | but I agree that OpenWRT is a viable solution here |
| 21:24.16 | metalfoo | Oh, ok. I'm getting old ;-) |
| 21:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Not if he starts updating it. |
| 21:24.44 | Krolik13 | i would like to move time back to 2005 :( |
| 21:24.44 | thewanderer1 | well I don't see how the kernel + basic daemons could use 32MB of memory |
| 21:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: One of the problems is that a 2005 system has some known security holes and potential exploits. |
| 21:24.50 | Bushmills | there's elinks as package in openwrt |
| 21:25.30 | Krolik13 | let me see what archive is doing |
| 21:25.31 | Krolik13 | debian:~# apt-get update |
| 21:25.32 | Krolik13 | Get:1 http://archive.debian.org sarge/main Packages [4353kB] |
| 21:25.39 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 21:25.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:25.41 | Krolik13 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 21:25.41 | Krolik13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.41 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.13 | jamfade | eth0 goes into promiscuous mode, ifconfig eth0 -promisc does nothing. I'm a bit worried about this. What could be causing it? |
| 21:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | That's like an office I inhereted that was built on Gentoo unstable with a 2.4 kernel, because you had to use unstable to get a working system when it was built. |
| 21:26.54 | jelly-home | qq-: 3.0, 3.1, what's the difference! |
| 21:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | Eventually it came down to hardware replacement. |
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| 21:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: Did you build the original? |
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| 21:27.41 | mxmx | where can I add a cronjob? |
| 21:27.54 | mxmx | is it crontab? |
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| 21:28.11 | AimHere | You can use the 'crontab' command |
| 21:28.13 | Krolik13 | jhutchins_lt> no, i've downloaded the original version. but i've done some tweeaks |
| 21:28.19 | mxmx | okay |
| 21:28.19 | Krolik13 | Setting up links2 (2.1pre16-1sarge1) ... |
| 21:28.22 | Krolik13 | hmm |
| 21:28.33 | Krolik13 | HA-ha-ha!!! |
| 21:28.35 | Krolik13 | THANK YOU!!! GUYS!!! |
| 21:28.38 | Krolik13 | IT DID WORK!!! |
| 21:28.44 | Krolik13 | I got the links2 installed |
| 21:28.46 | Krolik13 | right now :)) |
| 21:28.56 | Krolik13 | it was a line that save me a lot of time! |
| 21:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: You should probably consider doing something to end up with a more secure, maintainable system. |
| 21:29.18 | Krolik13 | this is the key!!! /msg dpkg sarge sources.list |
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| 21:29.35 | Krolik13 | jhutchins_lt> this is an internal box. not bothering about security |
| 21:29.47 | jelly-home | Krolik13: please deposit 3.50USD into the SPI account. |
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| 21:30.16 | Krolik13 | THanks a lot to everybody: jhutchins_lt, stew, thewanderer1, jelly-home, etc |
| 21:30.29 | cruejones | hi, is there an easy way to create a local mirror using the 5 debian DVDs? |
| 21:30.32 | Krolik13 | what is SPI account? |
| 21:30.39 | k1ng | what is the best accounting software? with online database support? |
| 21:30.50 | thewanderer1 | !tell k1ng about best |
| 21:30.53 | jelly-home | Krolik13: http://www.debian.org/donations, http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
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| 21:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | Hope nobody's really depending on five year old CF. |
| 21:32.30 | Krolik13 | there is no ppal |
| 21:32.32 | diago | looks like some of the image files for the web portion are missing |
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| 21:36.34 | Krolik13 | jelly-home> you should add PaiPal to the donation page |
| 21:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | diago: That's true of nagios as well, probably just copied the errors. |
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| 21:36.57 | jhutchins_lt | Krolik13: PayPal is evil. |
| 21:37.10 | stew | diago: what image files? |
| 21:37.48 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's also very convenient. |
| 21:37.59 | diago | just some basic icons that's all |
| 21:38.00 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: evil often is. |
| 21:38.08 | stew | diago: can you give me an example? |
| 21:38.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what images are missing from nagios? if there are errors, are there bugs filed? |
| 21:38.45 | stew | (i've not found missing images) |
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| 21:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | some of the system icons aren't available. |
| 21:39.55 | diago | stew: http://www.imageupload.org/?di=412899435684 |
| 21:40.16 | diago | just broken icons here and there |
| 21:40.31 | stew | diago: do you have an example filename? |
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| 21:41.03 | diago | img src="/icinga/images/logos/base/debian.png" |
| 21:42.05 | diago | there are no sub directories in the images folder under /usr/share/icinga/htdocs/images |
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| 21:42.31 | stew | with nagios, that would come in the nagios-images package |
| 21:42.44 | phorce1 | ok, googling until my eyes bleed. Working with my new toy that has CCISS raid. Can someone tell me how to use this added function to actually cause a rescan of the bus ----> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/36594/ |
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| 21:43.08 | diago | stew: where are those located? |
| 21:43.14 | diago | what directory |
| 21:43.27 | stew | nagios-images: /usr/share/nagios/htdocs/images/logos/base/debian.png |
| 21:43.32 | diago | icinga installed several nigios stuff |
| 21:43.39 | stew | diago: and it does look like the icinga packages recommend nagios-images |
| 21:44.00 | jelly-home | phorce1: is there a /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/cciss*/rescan or not? |
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| 21:44.17 | phorce1 | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:44.34 | diago | stew: it has the logo directory there, a link would solve those. |
| 21:44.45 | diago | but there is no flag dir in either one |
| 21:44.51 | jelly-home | phorce1: echo something (say, "1") into it and see what happens |
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| 21:45.28 | jelly-home | phorce1: how did you manage to create a new array online anyway? using hpaducli? hpacucli? |
| 21:45.32 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I've found several pages that say to use 'echo "rescan" > /proc/scsi/cciss0' but that fails with an "invalid argument" error |
| 21:45.55 | stew | diago: use apt-file search to see if the filename you are missing comes from some other package |
| 21:46.15 | cdave | hello, is is possible to use postint to install cron.d ? |
| 21:46.21 | diago | k |
| 21:46.21 | phorce1 | jelly-home: not running with an array --- using separate drives. Using the machine to test a stack of drives but have to reboot for each new drive |
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| 21:46.44 | jelly-home | cdave: yes, but typically you just put the file into the package, perhaps make it a conffile |
| 21:47.04 | jelly-home | phorce1: that's weird and unusual |
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| 21:47.43 | cdave | so i have package that install a script and bunch of configuration based on datacenter |
| 21:47.50 | jelly-home | phorce1: new kernels (2.6.32? 34?) have a second driver for the hardware that presents as a proper scsi controller |
| 21:48.02 | cdave | so based on dc i am in, i need to install cron.d as well.. |
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| 21:48.59 | diago | linking from nagios logos/base fixed the broken logos |
| 21:49.02 | cdave | jelly-home, what you mean my make it conffile ? |
| 21:49.37 | stew | cdave: tell dpkg that it is a conffile, so that you get the automatic conffile handling (like not overwriting changes made by the local admin upon upgrades) |
| 21:50.21 | stew | diago: if doing that is not already suggested in README.Debian, i'd file a wishlist bug |
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| 21:51.45 | thewanderer1 | cdave: you should really, really put your `if` statement in the cronjob itself, not install cronjob depending on place |
| 21:51.54 | diago | stew: they were in icinga-docs |
| 21:51.59 | diago | awesome. |
| 21:52.09 | phorce1 | jelly-home: echoing "1" into the rescan file didn't do it either. What was that about a second driver? I'm running 2.6.32.bpo |
| 21:53.26 | Frozen | l |
| 21:54.19 | jelly-home | phorce1: trying to remember its name |
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| 21:55.40 | jelly-home | phorce1: hpsa http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/36-rc1/Documentation/scsi/hpsa.txt |
| 21:55.45 | Krolik13 | lynx and links2 doesn't support SSL. What other console browser with built-in SSL do you know? |
| 21:56.02 | tarzeau | Krolik13: links2 does |
| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | phorce1: check whether your hardware is fresh enough |
| 21:56.23 | Krolik13 | tarzeau> not i my repository |
| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | Krolik13: the official links2 package ? |
| 21:56.56 | Krolik13 | tarzeau> do you know other console browsers, except of lynx and links2? |
| 21:56.59 | jelly-home | phorce1: have you tried using HP's tools for the hardware? |
| 21:57.00 | tarzeau | Krolik13: i just run ldd /usr/bin/links2 and it told me libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0x0fb96000) |
| 21:57.10 | tarzeau | Krolik13: no, i like, maintain and use links2 |
| 21:57.18 | tarzeau | Krolik13: and links2 supports ssl. |
| 21:58.17 | Krolik13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.28 | tarzeau | Krolik13: where do you read that? |
| 21:58.37 | phorce1 | jelly-home: just started messing with it. This is a DL360 G3 I picked up to task as a firewall and I'm trying to use it for "other stuff" before I dedicate it |
| 21:58.42 | jelly-home | phorce1: if you can reconfigure arrays, I suppose you can force scanning for changes... |
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| 21:59.03 | tarzeau | Krolik13: which version of it? links2 an https:// page just worked for me fine |
| 21:59.03 | themill | tarzeau: he's running sarge |
| 21:59.06 | jelly-home | phorce1: cpqacuxe was the config tool iirc. maybe hpacuxe |
| 21:59.13 | Krolik13 | tarzeau> yes, i'm runing sarge |
| 21:59.21 | Krolik13 | thamill> thanks |
| 21:59.28 | jhutchins | tarzeau: on mips |
| 21:59.34 | Krolik13 | exactly :) |
| 21:59.43 | tarzeau | i see. i'd backport a later links2 version :) |
| 21:59.49 | jelly-home | phorce1: hpacucli and hpadu are the other two that come to mind. hpadu is definitely diagnostic only |
| 22:00.02 | jhutchins | tarzeau: With no ram or disk space to speak of. |
| 22:00.17 | jelly-home | phorce1: I mostly use hpacucli in real life |
| 22:00.19 | Krolik13 | jhutchins> it soulds like a joke now :D |
| 22:00.21 | tarzeau | jhutchins: you can get my dusty mips box from my workplace for free |
| 22:00.24 | tarzeau | build it there... |
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| 22:00.52 | jelly-home | mipsel* |
| 22:00.53 | jhutchins | Krolik13: there's lynx and there are other console browsers. |
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| 22:01.40 | Krolik13 | sometimes everything is against you: i was trying to open an SSL page: 1. debian was too old, new repository too big, thanks you that i've solved with repository; now the links2 ans lynx does not support SSL. What next? hmm. thinking of using LWP and PErl |
| 22:01.53 | jelly-home | Krolik13: at that point in time, it might have been called links and not forked off into elinks and links2 yet |
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| 22:02.15 | tarzeau | Krolik13: links2 does support ssl. it's just that your very old and outdated version/build does not |
| 22:02.42 | jelly-home | elinks beats links2 anyway, no matter what tarzeau says. |
| 22:02.46 | jelly-home | <g> |
| 22:02.46 | phorce1 | jelly-home: what's annoying is that the functin is there and I just can't figure out how to make it work |
| 22:02.49 | tarzeau | jelly-home: links (1 and 2) have always supported ssl, however debian thought its licensing doesn't allow linking |
| 22:03.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that was the reason why debian used to ship non-ssl links browsers |
| 22:03.16 | tarzeau | jelly-home: crap! elinks sucks if you ask me |
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| 22:03.29 | tarzeau | but then who bothers. i use google chrome or chromium |
| 22:03.41 | jelly-home | elinks has nicer colors and encodings support |
| 22:03.47 | Krolik13 | he-he-he |
| 22:03.47 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 22:03.54 | jelly-home | Debian still thinks it needs exceptions for GPL stuff linked with OpenSSL |
| 22:03.57 | Krolik13 | guys, you are stars! |
| 22:04.08 | Krolik13 | look what i've found in the apt-cache search |
| 22:04.09 | Krolik13 | links-ssl - Dummy package for transition to elinks |
| 22:04.12 | Krolik13 | yuppyyyy |
| 22:04.14 | Krolik13 | let me install it |
| 22:04.20 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes that's why i got the links authors to add that to their license |
| 22:04.29 | phorce1 | jelly-home: hpsa driver appears to have showed up in 2.6.35. And, of course, switching it now would most likely mean a full reinstall |
| 22:04.42 | Krolik13 | thanks jelly-home... how much would you charge me for this advice? ;)) |
| 22:04.43 | jelly-home | phorce1: um... no? |
| 22:05.12 | jelly-home | phorce1: wtf would updating a kernel require a reinstall? |
| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | phorce1: there's a (rather freagile) 2.6.36-trunk in experimental, fwiw |
| 22:05.40 | phorce1 | jelly-home: changing hardware drivers -- it'll still read the table created by the old driver? |
| 22:05.55 | jelly-home | phorce1: what table? |
| 22:06.59 | jelly-home | phorce1: your boot loader and fstab might get confused if you're not using uuids or labels, but that's expected. I suppose you've lived thru hda -> sda libata changes |
| 22:07.14 | Krolik13 | E: Sorry, broken packages :D |
| 22:07.35 | Krolik13 | elinks: Depends: libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:07.42 | jelly-home | phorce1: switching to hpsa would be exactly the same |
| 22:08.06 | Krolik13 | may be i have to go to slip. may be tomorrow will be a more lucky day |
| 22:08.29 | phorce1 | jelly-home: partition tables, dvice info, etc ... I guess that is all below the kernel driver level. Fuzzy headed right now. Ran out of coffee and had to finish getting my VW Campmobile running to go get some |
| 22:08.51 | jelly-home | phorce1: your disks aren't going to change geometry when they change drivers |
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| 22:09.04 | phorce1 | jelly-home: rapid switching between mechanicing and computing |
| 22:09.32 | Krolik13 | thanks guys for all you patience.. wish you a nice day/afternoon/evening... This is why microsoft sux.. they don't have such great community |
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| 22:14.10 | Delaya | installing a fresh squeeze with the beta1 installer, but getting a problem with connecting to the wireless durign installation: after I enter the ESSID and WEP key, it returns "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol...". I am quite sure the rooter is using it. Any suggestions fro a solution? |
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| 22:15.06 | Delaya | does the install have support for 128-bit keys? |
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| 22:16.26 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: you can use 128 bit WEP, yes. |
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| 22:17.43 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: ok good, but can i enter it in ascii form? |
| 22:17.58 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: (the installer suggests a digits only format) |
| 22:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: I don't know; I always enter them in hexadecimal. |
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| 22:19.05 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: ok well then it is 26 2 digit numbers |
| 22:19.10 | Delaya | dondelelcaro: that should be ok>? |
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| 22:22.05 | dondelelcaro | Delaya: no, it should be 32 hexadecimal digits. |
| 22:22.50 | patterson | shower phone |
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| 22:23.37 | dondelelcaro | err, 26 hexadecimal digits, rather |
| 22:24.17 | dondelelcaro | forgot that in WEP, 24 bits are for IV bits |
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| 22:27.00 | cantido | Are there any major issues upgrading a sarge box to lenny directly? I'm working on a box that seems to be half sarge with bits of etch and major some lenny in there too |
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| 22:27.15 | cantido | Running a sarge 2.4 kernel though |
| 22:27.42 | thewanderer1 | cantido: nobody knows, you shall be the first :P |
| 22:28.16 | cantido | The main thing I'm worried about is all the kernel changes that happened like udev etc.. |
| 22:28.24 | cantido | hopes it boots when I upgrade the kernel |
| 22:28.30 | thewanderer1 | well, udev will surely complain a lot |
| 22:28.45 | thewanderer1 | but if you update udev and install a new kernel at once then boot into that, you should be on the safe side |
| 22:28.53 | jelly-home | cantido: "don't" |
| 22:29.02 | cantido | s/major/maybe .. should read before I press enter |
| 22:29.10 | cantido | jelly-home: don't do what? |
| 22:29.19 | jelly-home | cantido: skip releases |
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| 22:29.33 | cantido | jelly-home: the problem is that it's mostly etch already |
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| 22:29.43 | cantido | jelly-home: libc etc are etch even though the kernel is sarge |
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| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | so upgrade to etch in full, first. |
| 22:30.10 | cantido | which will break the parts of lenny that are apparenty in there |
| 22:30.20 | jelly-home | schedule downtime, |
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| 22:30.40 | jelly-home | things are going to break anyway |
| 22:30.53 | cantido | ah, it's in downtime. I just want the thing to boot and start ssh.. as long as it does that I'm happy |
| 22:31.25 | thewanderer1 | you should probably copy the whole filesystem, boot it in VM and see what happens after you upgrade this |
| 22:31.35 | cantido | thewanderer1: copying the fs now |
| 22:31.52 | jelly-home | cantido: get a livecd, say, grml, start it with its ssh and read-interfaces-from-disk boot options... you'll have an ssh |
| 22:32.06 | thewanderer1 | it's difficult when one is working with a remote machine :) |
| 22:32.08 | cantido | jelly-home: ah, that sounds good |
| 22:32.13 | cantido | makes a note of that |
| 22:32.31 | cantido | thewanderer1: yeah, but if the guy there can boot a cd and get it online that's perfect |
| 22:32.37 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 22:32.49 | jelly-home | !grml |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:33.04 | cantido | jelly-home: thanks for that |
| 22:33.05 | thewanderer1 | then you'll be able to copy the whole partitions, for instance |
| 22:33.10 | sedulous | how do i rebuild all DKMS packages? |
| 22:33.18 | thewanderer1 | or even disk image - easier than rebuilding manually |
| 22:33.34 | cantido | thewanderer1: my main worry was that a 2.6 kernel wouldn't boot because of it being an old APM machine |
| 22:33.43 | cantido | thewanderer1: but it doesn't seem to be all that bad |
| 22:33.49 | thewanderer1 | I think the kernels support both APM and ACPI |
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| 22:34.07 | thewanderer1 | actually, old APM is more likely to be supported than shiny new ACPI :P |
| 22:34.11 | cantido | yeah, I always had issues booting sarge's 2.6 kernel on old APM machines |
| 22:34.20 | cantido | they would panic without the right kernel options |
| 22:34.30 | thewanderer1 | let's hope it was just sarge |
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| 22:34.48 | cantido | it's a mix of all sorts |
| 22:35.28 | cantido | hence I'm taking a copy of everything so that if it doesn't work out it can go back to it's hybrid messed up state |
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| 22:40.19 | Delaya | anyone know hod i can connect to wireless network through terminal? |
| 22:41.23 | arctanx | not step for step, but you can set wifi channels & essids etc. using iwconfig |
| 22:41.48 | sweetpi | !info wpa_supplicant |
| 22:41.49 | jelly-home | cantido: dd often beats cp in speed |
| 22:42.07 | cantido | jelly-home: I'm doing a tar.. there's only 40GB of data |
| 22:42.09 | Lanther | wicd is nice, there's a CLI frontend for it called wicd-curses |
| 22:42.17 | Lanther | Delaya, try it |
| 22:42.46 | cantido | Delaya: you can also configure wireless interfaces in your interfaces file |
| 22:43.30 | sweetpi | !info wpasupplicant |
| 22:43.38 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 868 kB |
| 22:43.39 | Delaya | aight gona try iwconfig channels |
| 22:43.58 | cantido | Delaya: what sort of wifi network are you connecting to? |
| 22:44.12 | cantido | Delaya: if its open or WEP you only need iwconfig/ifconfig |
| 22:44.21 | Delaya | cantido: its WEP |
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| 22:44.26 | Delaya | cantido: 128-bit |
| 22:44.51 | cantido | Delaya: ok, so you set the SSID, the key, bring the interface up and then set the ip etc with ifconfig |
| 22:45.02 | cantido | check dmesg for association errors etc |
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| 22:46.37 | Delaya | cantido: ok sec setting parameters.. |
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| 22:48.22 | Delaya | cantido: ok so i set essid, ap MAC, and key |
| 22:48.29 | flock-_ | how do I see if telnet is disabled or not, and if it is, how can I enable? |
| 22:48.42 | Delaya | codingrobot: then issued dhclient wlan0 and nothing happens.. |
| 22:48.57 | Delaya | cantido: then issued dhclient wlan0 and nothing happens.. |
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| 22:50.51 | peterrooney | flock-_: ssh is preferred over telnet; but if you -must- have it, "aptitude install telnet" and if you're curious, "ps -ef f | more". |
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| 22:51.09 | Delaya | cantido: what interface do i need to bring up? |
| 22:51.21 | flock-_ | thanks peterrooney |
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| 22:51.37 | cantido | Delaya: wlan0 probably |
| 22:51.42 | cantido | Delaya: ifconfig -a |
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| 22:51.46 | metalfoo | telnet is the _client_, not the service. |
| 22:52.14 | tharkun | Gentlemen where can i look at the default papersize on a debian server? |
| 22:52.15 | metalfoo | The corresponding server is telnetd (alternatives may exist) |
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| 22:53.32 | metalfoo | Yes. telnet (without d) is the client though, used to connect to a remote host (or to date more as a general purpose TCP command line tool) |
| 22:54.12 | cantido | metalfoo: ah, I just read peterrooney's message again.. doh |
| 22:55.10 | Delaya | cantido: ok its up thenx, u know how to save these configs for next boot? |
| 22:55.28 | cantido | Delaya: you should configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:56.22 | cantido | configuring the interface over the commandline and making that permanent are slightly different questions/answers |
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| 23:05.12 | flock-_ | is possible, as root, see all process's that are running in normal users accounts? |
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| 23:05.27 | cantido | flock-_: yes, man ps |
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| 23:05.39 | flock-_ | cantido, ty |
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| 23:06.35 | s3a | could someone tell me which terminal command to use to make my flash use lvm2? |
| 23:06.43 | s3a | it's /dev/sdc |
| 23:06.58 | metalfoo | pvcreate, vgcreate |
| 23:08.31 | s3a | what do i change in sudo vgcreate /dev/sdc ? |
| 23:08.47 | s3a | metalfoo, "Please enter a physical volume path" |
| 23:08.58 | s3a | sorry for the stupid questions |
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| 23:09.59 | metalfoo | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/commontask.html |
| 23:10.19 | jelly-home | s3a: you forgot to put in a name for your new volume group |
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| 23:10.46 | s3a | jelly, name or full directory? |
| 23:10.57 | jelly-home | s3a: vgcreate --help ... see what it wants you to enter. |
| 23:11.04 | jelly-home | s3a: I said name. |
| 23:13.54 | jelly-home | it says, if you ignore all the optional stuff, vgcreate VolumeGroupName PhysicalDevicePath |
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| 23:15.38 | jelly-home | s3a: since you gave it just one parameter, it thinks you need to give it the second parameter (pv path) as well, istead of, say figuring out you already gave it something that might look like a pv and changing the error message to something more appropriate |
| 23:16.19 | Delaya | need to set up desktop environment on fresk squeeze install, any suggestions how? (i have just installed xorg, gdm and gnome-core, but dont know where to put initialize then so the system boots into the login manager) |
| 23:16.30 | jelly-home | s3a: you probably forgot the _first_ parameter, vg name, but vgcreate is just a bit dumb like that |
| 23:16.31 | s3a | jelly-home, i've been struggling with a new problem: when i open gparted, i cannot delete the filesystem |
| 23:16.56 | jelly-home | s3a: ask the channel about that. |
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| 23:17.57 | Jef91 | Where does the postinst file go in a debian package I am buildin |
| 23:18.09 | Jef91 | package/debian/postinst? |
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| 23:19.03 | s3a | jelly, do i have to have a filesystem? or unallocated drive? |
| 23:19.09 | s3a | jelly-home, ^ |
| 23:20.26 | jelly-home | s3a: if you're using the whole /dev/sdc as a pv, that's it... no partitions, nothing for parted or gparted to deal with. |
| 23:21.55 | s3a | jelly-home, what did you mean when you said i forgot to put the first paramater? |
| 23:22.14 | jelly-home | s3a: vgcreate VolumeGroupName PhysicalDevicePath |
| 23:22.37 | jelly-home | s3a: /dev/sdc looks very much like a physical device |
| 23:22.48 | jelly-home | s3a: so you forgot VolumeGroupName |
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| 23:23.10 | s3a | jelly-home, o i did vgcreate path name |
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| 23:23.24 | jelly-home | s3a: it goes the other way around. |
| 23:23.54 | jelly-home | first name, then one or more devices that you pvcreated earlier. |
| 23:25.28 | jelly-home | at this point, you're showing the amount of confusion big enough to warrant this question: |
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| 23:25.37 | jelly-home | s3a: what are you trying to do with /dev/sdc? |
| 23:26.09 | jelly-home | s3a: are you going to use it as a boot disk in some other machine? |
| 23:26.42 | cusco | hi... |
| 23:26.50 | cusco | I jave a job on crontab |
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| 23:27.02 | jelly-home | just say jo |
| 23:27.13 | s3a | jelly-home, i did what you said successfully so far, no i'm using it to learn lvm2 because i'm tired of ruining a system and reinstalling each time, plus now i have exams and my friends are relying on me to do some video editing and i need to resize my root partition but please don't tell me anything on my current OS because i know something will go wrong, so i wanna practice on the usb stick\ |
| 23:27.14 | cusco | that cats email.txt|mail bla@bla |
| 23:27.32 | cusco | if I run the same command, the email is sent wit cool charset |
| 23:27.45 | cusco | but by cron, goes with different charset |
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| 23:28.22 | jelly-home | cusco: mail command may act differently with a different set of locale environment variables. |
| 23:28.26 | cantido | cusco: because cron isn't using your environment |
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| 23:28.30 | cusco | and also the email body goes as an attachment |
| 23:28.34 | s3a | jelly-home, so i did sudo pvcreate /dev/sdc |
| 23:28.35 | s3a | sudo vgcreate theName /dev/sdc (what do i do next? - format to ext4?) |
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| 23:28.38 | cusco | where if I all the script, it doesn't |
| 23:28.44 | jelly-home | cusco: run "locale". try to replicate that in your crontab. |
| 23:29.00 | cusco | Im using tr -d "\015" to delete carriage returns |
| 23:29.16 | s3a | and i meant current install* (wrong terminlogy - not that it really matters) |
| 23:29.19 | cusco | for some reason using cront dones't delete the carriage returns neither |
| 23:29.53 | cusco | jelly-home: shouldn't my locale be the same in cron? |
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| 23:30.10 | jelly-home | s3a: read the lvm howto. You have to create at least one logical volume inside that new volume group, and _then_ you can create a filesystem on top of that logical volume. |
| 23:30.12 | cusco | how can I replicate my environment cantido ? |
| 23:30.21 | cusco | env reutnrs no locale setting |
| 23:30.33 | jelly-home | cusco: no. man 8 cron. man 5 crontab. man 1 crontab. |
| 23:30.36 | cusco | actually it does |
| 23:30.43 | cusco | ok... |
| 23:30.56 | cantido | thought everything was UTF-8 now anyhow.. |
| 23:31.00 | jelly-home | cusco: I suggested using "locale" command to find out current locale settings, not just "env" |
| 23:31.34 | cusco | jelly-home: I did, its the same |
| 23:31.42 | jelly-home | cusco: you did what? |
| 23:32.00 | jelly-home | cusco: pastebin your entire crontab -l, please |
| 23:32.07 | s3a | jelly-home, lvcreate? |
| 23:32.15 | jelly-home | s3a: yes |
| 23:33.09 | cusco | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/100012/ |
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| 23:33.32 | cusco | I did check the locale and its the same as in env, thats what I meant |
| 23:33.51 | s3a | jelly-home, when the guide says ==> lvcreate -L1500 -ntestlv testvg <== what is "-ntestlv"? |
| 23:33.53 | cusco | mail.php has a shell_exec on it |
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| 23:33.59 | jelly-home | cusco: I don't see any locale settings in the crontab though. |
| 23:34.05 | s3a | testvg i assume is the name from the vgcreate command |
| 23:34.34 | cusco | shell_exec("cat $mailFile|/usr/bin/tr -d '\015'|/usr/bin/mail -A $name -c $CC -b cusco@tretas.eu -s '$subject' $TO"); |
| 23:35.09 | cusco | jelly-home: should I place it like...: 0,15,30,45 * * * * LANG=en_US php -q /home/scripts/mail.php >> /var/log/mail/mail2.log 2>> /var/log/mail/mail2.err.log |
| 23:35.12 | cusco | ?? |
| 23:35.43 | cusco | or in shell_exec("LANG=en_US ....mail....") |
| 23:35.51 | jelly-home | cusco: read man 5 crontab. |
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| 23:36.44 | jelly-home | it tells you how to set environment variables on the first page |
| 23:36.45 | cusco | jelly-home: so I can just add it to /etc/crontab |
| 23:36.59 | cusco | but besides the locale |
| 23:37.18 | cusco | I don't understand why it is not taking out the carriage returns making the e-mail go as an attachment |
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| 23:38.05 | jelly-home | I don't understand why anyone would use php instead of a simple shell script, but hey... |
| 23:38.38 | aguitel | how to play .mov movies files ? |
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| 23:39.08 | jelly-home | aguitel: use vlc, or mplayer, or xine. One of the three usually plays anything. |
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| 23:39.47 | aguitel | jelly-home, and codecs ? |
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| 23:40.01 | cusco | jelly-home: well I didn't write the whole php, and it does a bunch of other stuff... I really don't wanna go over the sql queries again and rewrtite the whole damn thing |
| 23:40.01 | eiro | hello all |
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| 23:41.46 | jelly-home | cusco: dunno, I'd try to reproduce the errorneous behaviour using a simpler script and a pre-created input file and try fixing it there. |
| 23:41.53 | s3a | jelly, did you get my ntestlv message? |
| 23:41.56 | s3a | jelly-home, ^ |
| 23:42.35 | jelly-home | s3a: lvcreate --help |
| 23:42.50 | jelly-home | s3a: your lv needs a name as well. that's it. |
| 23:43.00 | Bartzy | how can I check how much a specific process is taking ? :| |
| 23:43.05 | Bartzy | RAM*.. without shared libs |
| 23:43.07 | jelly-home | s3a: -n name-for-lv-here |
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| 23:44.03 | jelly-home | aguitel: I can't remember when mplayer complained of missing codecs last time, why do you ask? |
| 23:44.45 | s3a | jelly-home, ok i have the logical volume created, how do i format it as ext4? |
| 23:45.54 | karsten-nr | s3a: same as any other device: mke4fs /dev/mapper/<stuff> |
| 23:46.29 | karsten-nr | s3a: You substitute the LVM mapper path for the device (eg: /dev/sda1, /dev/hda1). |
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| 23:46.50 | s3a | karlpinc, so instead of /dev/mapper i put /dev/sdc ? |
| 23:46.57 | s3a | karsten-nr, not karlpinc |
| 23:47.10 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi, anyone got a hint on how to create file lists for batch operations comfortably in a curses like environment? Think MC, just instead of copying the file it just adds it to a list. |
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| 23:47.35 | Robinux | heya guys whats the default desktop manager in debian? |
| 23:47.48 | karsten-nr | s3a: No. |
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| 23:48.08 | karsten-nr | s3a: What's the LV you just created? |
| 23:48.17 | karsten-nr | s3a: 'lvs' should list it. |
| 23:48.21 | s3a | karsten-nr, "testlv" |
| 23:48.36 | somiaj | Robinux: gnome is fairly popular, but really you can install any one you want for the most part |
| 23:48.48 | Robinux | cool |
| 23:48.49 | cusco | what other variables should I set for crontab ?? |
| 23:48.59 | karsten-nr | s3a: Full path to that is something like /dev/mapper/VolGroup<something>/testlv? |
| 23:49.25 | s3a | karsten-nr, what's something and again sorry for being very stupid |
| 23:49.38 | s3a | i'm not doing it on purpose |
| 23:49.40 | karsten-nr | s3a: <something> == arbitrary text. |
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| 23:49.49 | karsten-nr | s3a: Run: ls /dev/mapper/* |
| 23:49.55 | karsten-nr | s3a: Look for testlv there. |
| 23:50.04 | karsten-nr | s3a: That's the device you want to create a filesystem on. |
| 23:50.28 | somiaj | Robinux: tasksel is the name of the program that gets run and lets you choose broad groups of things to install like 'Desktop Enviorment' -- you can look there to see what that defaults to |
| 23:50.35 | karsten-nr | s3a: Standard format is /dev/mapper/<volgroup>-<lvname> |
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| 23:50.39 | aguitel | jelly-home, sorry it works |
| 23:50.46 | s3a | karsten-nr, /dev/mapper/testingVGCREATE-testlv |
| 23:50.57 | somiaj | Robinux: but there are many desktops/wms you can install on debian and use and you don't have to install the tasksel defaults. |
| 23:51.09 | karsten-nr | s3a: So, as root: mke4fs /dev/mapper/testingVGCREATE-testlv |
| 23:51.34 | karsten-nr | s3a: Hold one sec on that. |
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| 23:52.19 | s3a | karsten-nr, bash: mke4fs: command not found and k |
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| 23:52.21 | karsten-nr | s3a: Do you *have* a mk4fs command? |
| 23:52.25 | karsten-nr | s3a: Yeah, thought so :) |
| 23:52.33 | s3a | karsten-nr, lol |
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| 23:53.10 | s3a | karsten-nr, i can't find it in repositories, wrong name? (i'm on squeeze) |
| 23:53.58 | karsten-nr | s3a: Try: /sbin/mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/testingVGCREATE-testlv |
| 23:54.09 | karsten-nr | s3a: mk4fs would be a wrapper around that anyway. |
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| 23:54.19 | Robinux | somiaj thanks a lot i'm looking into them :) |
| 23:55.02 | s3a | karsten-nr, i see mke2fs |
| 23:55.03 | somiaj | Robinux: but it does apear that Gnome will be the default in the sense of tasksel. I use fvwm myself |
| 23:55.33 | karsten-nr | s3a: What version of Debian are you working on? ext4 is only in squeeze or sid (testing/unstable), not lenny |
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| 23:55.46 | s3a | karsten-nr, i'm in squeeze |
| 23:55.49 | cusco | what tool can I use to print/edit a text file in hex? |
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| 23:56.00 | s3a | karsten-nr, i'm up to date |
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| 23:56.03 | cusco | seems that shed is not available in testing |
| 23:56.05 | cusco | err |
| 23:56.06 | cusco | stable |
| 23:56.20 | karsten-nr | s3a: mkfs.ext4 should be in e2fsprogs package. |
| 23:56.29 | karsten-nr | s3a: BBIAM. |
| 23:56.40 | s3a | karsten-nr, http://pastebin.com/mZqgNa0Y |
| 23:56.48 | s3a | karsten-nr, what do i do there? |
| 23:57.06 | s3a | karsten-nr, my logical volume is 3gb (flash drive is 4gb) |
| 23:57.18 | Robinux | i think i'll go for xfce i don't know why :P |
| 23:57.26 | Robinux | thanks somiaj |
| 23:57.27 | cantido | wonders why you want LVM on that.. |
| 23:57.29 | aic_ | jj |
| 23:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: vi |
| 23:57.52 | s3a | cantido, if you're talking to me it's for testing purposes (i have bigger plans) |
| 23:58.42 | yagoo | karsten-nr, 'bbiam' whats'dat? an evangelical shooting & healing "bambam" ? |
| 23:58.56 | cusco | found hexdump |
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| 23:59.59 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: bbiam == Be Back In A Minute |
