| 00:00.34 | karsten-nr | s3a: Looks good. You've created a filesystem. |
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| 00:02.08 | aic | j |
| 00:02.26 | karsten-nr | yagoo: be back in a minute |
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| 00:03.16 | s4a | karsten-nr, lol i thot there was a problem, good then :) |
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| 00:03.42 | karsten-nr | s4a: Nope, that's standard mkfs output. |
| 00:04.49 | s3a | karsten-nr, i did -L3G when i mount it says 3.2, why? |
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| 00:06.09 | benji12 | Hi, what is the max number of socket a program can use? |
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| 00:06.57 | cantido | benji12: ulimit nows IIRC.. a socket is a file descriptor |
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| 00:09.10 | s4a | karsten-nr, did my question make sense? |
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| 00:14.10 | yagoo | s3a, it's garble. try to speak one idea in one sentence please |
| 00:14.16 | benji12 | ulimit -Sn => 1024 : means that I (my user) can use 1024 file descriptor at most ? |
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| 00:15.31 | benji12 | cantido, ulimit -Sn => 1024 : means that I (my user) can use 1024 file descriptor at most ? |
| 00:15.34 | benji12 | :) |
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| 00:15.56 | s4a | yagoo, ok basically when i used the lvcreate command, i made the logical volume be 3 gigs, but gnome tells me it's 3.2gb |
| 00:16.25 | Akuw | is there any tutorial to configure a firewall in debian? |
| 00:16.39 | yagoo | s4a, that's fine |
| 00:16.51 | metalfoo | s4a: You may be confused between GB and GiB |
| 00:17.32 | stew | dpkg: (3*1024*1024*1024)-(3*1000*1000*1000) |
| 00:17.33 | dpkg | 221225472 |
| 00:17.40 | stew | there's the extra .2 |
| 00:17.47 | s4a | which one is 1000 and which one is 1024? |
| 00:18.00 | s4a | GB or GiB? |
| 00:18.09 | metalfoo | Gibi is base 2, that is 1024 |
| 00:18.24 | poisonbit | Akuw, wiki has a start point: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 00:18.32 | metalfoo | G is the Giga prefix (for a base 10) |
| 00:18.34 | s4a | metalfoo, base 2 as in logarithms? |
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| 00:18.43 | poisonbit | benji12, read the first paragraph of: help ulimit |
| 00:19.27 | poisonbit | if you don't limit the user to one shell/session, thats no the limit for "the user" |
| 00:19.30 | stew | s4a: a Gibibyte is 2 ^ 30 bytes, a gigabyte is 2 * 10^9 bytes |
| 00:19.47 | metalfoo | s4a: Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte |
| 00:20.09 | cusco | jelly-home: setting locale in /etc/crontab didn't work |
| 00:20.23 | cusco | e-mail is still sent with wrong charset |
| 00:20.32 | cusco | why? |
| 00:21.46 | Akuw | is there any ip-tablescript? |
| 00:22.01 | metalfoo | That's somewhat misleading as it became an industry standard to count sizes in 2 base powers, but measure and produce capacities to base 10. That's why your 1 TB hard disk won't have 1 TB once you look on your formatted file system (ignoring meta data here) |
| 00:22.08 | s4a | stew, something seems off, dividing (2*10^9) by 2^30 gives me 1.86, meaning it's almost double |
| 00:22.13 | jelly-home | cusco: no idea, maybe someone else can help. It's past AM here and there are too many variables that I'm clueless about (php, for example) |
| 00:22.44 | stew | dpkg: (2 * 10**9 ) - (2**30) |
| 00:22.44 | dpkg | 926258176 |
| 00:22.44 | s4a | jelly-home, if you're leaving, i just wanted to say thanks before you leave |
| 00:22.50 | s4a | thanks also to everyone else for the lvm thing |
| 00:23.01 | jelly-home | s4a: you ought to compare 10^9 with 2^30, not 2*10^9 |
| 00:23.06 | benji12 | poisonbit, thank you |
| 00:23.16 | stew | s4a: sorry, just 1 * 10^9 |
| 00:23.17 | metalfoo | That was reasonable in times of Bytes and KB, and MB but leads to serious discrepances in times of GB, TB and so on. |
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| 00:24.16 | s4a | stew, so GiG > GB? |
| 00:24.21 | stew | s4a: yes |
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| 00:24.32 | metalfoo | GiB actually |
| 00:24.33 | stew | s4a: 3.2 GB = 3 GiB |
| 00:24.45 | s4a | stew thanks |
| 00:28.21 | jelly-home | TiB, GiB and MiB walk into a bar |
| 00:28.39 | yagoo | lol.. i leave for a few minutes and see the giggleness going on here with Gigs and Gibs |
| 00:28.43 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Wouldn't that be TeB? |
| 00:28.50 | jelly-home | no. |
| 00:29.00 | yagoo | jelly-home yes. |
| 00:29.16 | yagoo | yesnoyesno |
| 00:29.27 | yagoo | wants people to address <username> on IRC PLEASE |
| 00:29.34 | yagoo | newb |
| 00:29.44 | metalfoo | It is called tebibyte but abbreviated TiB - strange enough. |
| 00:30.32 | jelly-home | yagoo: oh, go and be irrelevant someplace else please |
| 00:31.23 | flock-_ | anyone understands about mysqltcl? |
| 00:31.24 | yagoo | jelly-home, you've poured enough nonsense with your "no" and knows on #linux. Please don't talk to me. |
| 00:31.59 | jelly-home | yagoo: done, see you in a month |
| 00:32.06 | yagoo | tells jelly-home to address <username> on IRC PLEASE. Learn to use IRC properly. |
| 00:32.18 | yagoo | kids.. you know 'em.. |
| 00:32.20 | stew | yagoo: please just use /ignore |
| 00:32.24 | yagoo | ok stew.. |
| 00:33.05 | RichiH | calling jelly-home a newb is weird to say the least |
| 00:33.08 | RichiH | but ok :) |
| 00:33.30 | tharkun | Gentlemen how can i look at the variables set on a certain locale without installing it on a machine? |
| 00:33.50 | metalfoo | locales? |
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| 00:34.57 | metalfoo | Uhm -s |
| 00:35.19 | jelly-home | RichiH: I'm a newb compared to you, if freenode accounts are a valid measure! |
| 00:35.45 | RichiH | jelly-home: i'm so old, i squeak |
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| 00:36.09 | tharkun | handles RichiH some all purpose oil |
| 00:36.09 | RichiH | i still remember lilo's wallop about freenode breaking the 2000 user limit |
| 00:36.21 | RichiH | 01:36:13 [freenode] -!- 59461 66970 Current global users 59461, max 66970 |
| 00:36.24 | RichiH | so yah ;) |
| 00:36.56 | metalfoo | Mom's old fashioned robot oil! |
| 00:37.16 | jelly-home | !comfort RichiH |
| 00:37.16 | RichiH | at a time when #debian's ~100 users was an insane amount |
| 00:37.16 | dpkg | There, there, RichiH. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 00:37.24 | RichiH | !richihslap jelly-home |
| 00:37.30 | RichiH | noooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 00:37.34 | jelly-home | deslapped |
| 00:37.40 | RichiH | !penixslpa jelly-home |
| 00:37.44 | RichiH | !penixslap jelly-home |
| 00:37.54 | RichiH | stares at dpkg in horror |
| 00:37.58 | jelly-home | hopes RichiH doesn't remember penixstrike |
| 00:38.07 | RichiH | he does, now |
| 00:38.23 | RichiH | though with your reg time, i am not even sure if you know penix |
| 00:38.45 | jelly-hme | RichiH: he was online yesterday, after 8 months |
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| 00:39.10 | carandraug | hi! I had an ssh connectino to a server and for some reason it got disconnected. I would like to reconnect to it. Everywhere I look, people just say to use screen. I'm familiar with it but I was not using it at the moment so can't help me.I really want to to reconnect to that ssh session. Is that possible? And if so, how? |
| 00:39.46 | jelly-hme | carandraug: it's not really possible. Screen is a good suggestion for future use. |
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| 00:39.48 | yagoo | carandraug, likely not.. you lost what you were working on.. to use screen i'd suggest using "screen -RR" |
| 00:39.52 | tharkun | carandraug: unless you had somekind of detachment program like screen, your session is over |
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| 00:40.39 | tharkun | carandraug: The program you were running died whenever you connection got lost |
| 00:40.56 | metalfoo | That is not much related to SSH by the way but to the underlying TCP. |
| 00:41.03 | jelly-hme | !info retty |
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| 00:41.23 | yagoo | stew, they allowed to abuse the "!" in here like this? |
| 00:41.28 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 00:41.50 | carandraug | jelly-hme, yagoo, tharkun, thank you for answering. |
| 00:42.26 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i see, investigate or for the matter set the default paper size on a system to be letter and not A4. Google has thrown me in cicles for the last couple of hours |
| 00:42.28 | yagoo | carandraug, np |
| 00:42.43 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think retty will re-attach a dropped session though. |
| 00:43.06 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Should be in the printer admin page on cups. |
| 00:43.08 | jelly-hme | maybe it's still alive |
| 00:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | THat's one of those things that every app likes to set for itself though. |
| 00:43.36 | RichiH | jelly-hme: oh, ok |
| 00:43.59 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: precisely the problem i wan't to rule out the default. It is a pain to propelry set |
| 00:44.11 | RichiH | carandraug: if the session still lives, you can try retty |
| 00:44.21 | yagoo | tharkun, what i do is a toy around with cups. A4 is very close to letter.. annoying isnt it heheh |
| 00:44.25 | jelly-hme | tharkun: once upon a time there was dpkg-reconfigure libpaperg |
| 00:44.31 | RichiH | carandraug: also, if you had vim or similar open, look for tempfiles |
| 00:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Good luck with that, it's been a pain since we moved off of mainframes. |
| 00:44.58 | RichiH | ah, jelly-hme already told you about retty |
| 00:45.07 | yagoo | tharkun, does cups offer changing this? i'm sure you can .. |
| 00:45.56 | carandraug | RichiH, no. It was running aptitude upgrade. And the session went down on those ncurses windows asking about configuring GRUB |
| 00:46.19 | carandraug | RichiH, ps aux doesn't show the previous ssh connection. Only the command it was running |
| 00:46.47 | RichiH | carandraug: in that case, you could try to wget & extract retty locally |
| 00:46.50 | jelly-hme | carandraug: verify all the dpkg and apt and aptitude processes are dead, then run dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:46.53 | RichiH | as obviously, you can't install stuff atm |
| 00:46.54 | yagoo | carandraug, dpkg -C, apt-get -f install, then try continuing whatever you were trying |
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| 00:47.21 | yagoo | (or perhaps aptitude -f install as well) |
| 00:47.28 | yagoo | (in place of apt-get) |
| 00:48.04 | tharkun | yagoo: A4 is anoyingly close to letter ;P |
| 00:48.08 | RichiH | jelly-hme, yagoo: if ps aux still shows the aptitude, retty is an option |
| 00:48.15 | tharkun | jelly-hme: I'll check asap |
| 00:48.15 | carandraug | RichiH, sorry if it sounds stupid but I don't know how to do that |
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| 00:48.57 | flock-_ | <MdB> começa a gravar logs |
| 00:48.57 | flock-_ | <MdB> que ja resolves mt coisa ;) |
| 00:49.01 | yagoo | tharkun, i believe u should be able to change it with the cups interface.. |
| 00:49.02 | jelly-hme | ,versions libpaper-utils |
| 00:49.04 | judd | Package libpaper-utils on i386 -- etch: 1.1.21; lenny: 1.1.23+nmu1; sid: 1.1.24; squeeze: 1.1.24 |
| 00:49.23 | RichiH | carandraug: go to packages.debian.org, download the retty package for your system, ar foo.deb, go from there |
| 00:49.29 | jelly-hme | tharkun: that package ^^ seems to carry a /usr/sbin/paperconfig now |
| 00:49.38 | RichiH | carandraug: though unless you know what you are doing you might break more than you repair |
| 00:49.42 | flock-_ | checking for mysql header... configure: error: Cannot find mysql.h in /usr/include/mysql use -with-mysql-include=? |
| 00:49.59 | carandraug | RichiH, I've installed before with dpkg. I just never used retty |
| 00:50.17 | streuner_ | flock-_: search for a -dev package |
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| 00:51.06 | streuner_ | flock-_: please dont msg me, apt-file search mysql.h is your friend |
| 00:51.07 | RichiH | carandraug: retty is not an installation program. it stops and modifies a running process to switch out the tty, stdin, stdout, stderr and then resume the program |
| 00:51.17 | jelly-hme | retty sounds like a hack anyway |
| 00:51.27 | RichiH | it's an extremely evil, and potentially useful, hack |
| 00:51.37 | streuner_ | flock-_: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update |
| 00:51.51 | RichiH | though many programs, for example vim, die in horrible ways when you try to use it |
| 00:52.00 | RichiH | but at least with apt-get, it works |
| 00:52.09 | RichiH | never tried with aptitude while it was in ncurses |
| 00:53.04 | streuner_ | dpkg, find mysql.h |
| 00:53.07 | flock-_ | when I try apt-file update |
| 00:53.11 | flock-_ | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 00:53.11 | flock-_ | Can't get http://php53.dotdeb.org/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 00:53.27 | carandraug | RichiH, I can't use dpkg either to install |
| 00:53.48 | streuner_ | hm, it seems you dont have a working stable/lenny line in your sources.list |
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| 00:53.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.h' (6 of 31): (/usr/share/doc/roundup/mysql.html) in web/roundup ;; (/usr/share/doc/cl-sql/html/mysql.html) in lisp/cl-sql ;; (/usr/include/postfix/dict_mysql.h) in devel/postfix-dev ;; (/usr/share/backupninja/mysql.helper) in admin/backupninja ;; (/usr/include/GNUnet/gnunet_mysql.h) in libdevel/gnunet-dev ;; (/usr/include/mysql/mysql.h) in libdevel/libmysqlclient-dev. |
| 00:54.03 | carandraug | RichiH, I'lln need to extract the deb file and look into the scripts to see if I need to run anything? |
| 00:54.39 | streuner_ | flock-_: just comment dotdeb... |
| 00:55.13 | flock-_ | where? |
| 00:55.18 | yagoo | juggles down some beer and tells a newbie to rtfm |
| 00:55.26 | yagoo | :) |
| 00:55.39 | streuner_ | flock-_: in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:56.28 | RichiH | carandraug: you can copy the binaries etc into place without running the scripts, but yes, that is basically what you would need to do |
| 00:56.36 | flock-_ | still |
| 00:56.39 | flock-_ | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 00:56.46 | RichiH | carandraug: if you are careful and keep notes on what you do, this can be a great learning experience |
| 00:56.50 | RichiH | it was for me :) |
| 00:57.15 | carandraug | RichiH, it always is with Linux :) |
| 00:57.29 | RichiH | if you just want stuff to work asap and without much room for human error, killing all processes and doing what jelly-hme and yagoo suggested would be better |
| 00:58.16 | streuner_ | flock-_: you need a working stable/deb source |
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| 00:58.50 | flock-_ | streuner I commented the debian and tried only with the dedicated server source and it worked thank you |
| 00:58.54 | streuner_ | flock-_: or just pastebin your sources.list for us |
| 00:59.00 | streuner_ | oh, np |
| 00:59.01 | RichiH | carandraug: anyway, i really need some sleep so i'll have to hand you over to jelly-hme |
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| 00:59.24 | carandraug | RichiH, ok. Thanks for your suggestion. I'm working on it now. Thanks again |
| 00:59.27 | streuner_ | libmysqlclient-dev seems to be the package you need, not sure |
| 00:59.32 | RichiH | carandraug: no worries |
| 00:59.40 | flock-_ | libmysqlclient15-dev: /usr/include/mysql/mysql.h |
| 00:59.49 | flock-_ | maybe this one? |
| 00:59.53 | RichiH | and once you realize how retty works, and what you just did, you will feel ten kinds of awesome |
| 01:00.03 | streuner_ | flock-_: might be, iam using sid atm... |
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| 01:00.47 | streuner_ | flock-_: but, as we told you before, apt-file search mysql.h should show you more results |
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| 01:02.41 | streuner_ | flock-_: another idea is: apt-cache search libmysql dev |
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| 01:03.23 | fieldd | hi, so I'm using lenny stable but want a package that's apparently only available as unstable package. how would I go about trying to install that? |
| 01:03.38 | streuner_ | fieldd: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 01:04.13 | doublehp | Is there a tool that is easy to script, that can handle mbox files ? i want to write a script that will apply filters on some Thunderbird folder, after TB closure. Either to remove message, or move them into an other folder (mbox file). Any thing to recommend me ? |
| 01:04.22 | streuner_ | flock-_: another way is to just look into depends of an existing package in Debian (mysql) |
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| 01:04.32 | doublehp | in short, a wrapper for mbox files |
| 01:04.33 | fieldd | streuner_, yep, I tried backports and it's not where (which I found to be very weird, as it's a relatively popular thing that I'm trying to download (ncmpcpp)) |
| 01:04.36 | flock-_ | streuner_ the dev one worked |
| 01:04.38 | fieldd | s/where/there/ |
| 01:04.41 | flock-_ | and I managed to install what I needed |
| 01:04.43 | flock-_ | thank you. |
| 01:04.45 | kishy | anybody available for a bit of a NIC compatibility question? won't flood channel with crap if not |
| 01:05.02 | streuner_ | np |
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| 01:06.55 | doublehp | !ask |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:07.20 | doublehp | kishy: if shy, or fear OT, go in #networking |
| 01:07.25 | streuner_ | kishy: just give us more details |
| 01:07.30 | kishy | lol, alrighty |
| 01:07.42 | kishy | so, i have a Wyse Winterm S30 thin client |
| 01:08.07 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals S30 |
| 01:08.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'S30' by value (1): s30. |
| 01:08.17 | streuner_ | dpkg, s30 |
| 01:08.18 | dpkg | s30 is, like, a Thinkpad, install instructions at http://aglet.net/s30/ |
| 01:08.24 | yagoo | omg did he even say "win" ? xD |
| 01:08.34 | kishy | it's usb bootable, and the internal flash is a pain in the ass, so i installed debian (latest, just barebones though...with the smaller image) on a flash drive, then stuck it in |
| 01:08.52 | doublehp | define stuck |
| 01:08.55 | fieldd | streuner_, any words of wisdom? :( if it's not to be found in back-ports, it means there's no way but for me to install by source? |
| 01:08.55 | kishy | boots alright, but there's no eth0...and lsmod shows the right things are there |
| 01:09.03 | kishy | stuck in as in plugged in, lol |
| 01:09.20 | kishy | nic chip is a realtek rtl8100cl |
| 01:09.25 | streuner_ | fieldd: no wisdom here :-P - /msg dpkg ssb ;-) |
| 01:09.35 | yagoo | kishy, i have something similar -- i attached a usb cdromdrive.. and installed linux to a usb-hd ..-- both hooked up to the thinclient at the same time.. worked perfectly.. |
| 01:09.48 | carandraug | RichiH, jelly-hme , seems retty doesn't work with aptitude on ncurses. After manualling installing it, I ran retty and got an error messages from dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error blah blah stuff |
| 01:10.16 | doublehp | kishy: ifconfig eth0 .... ? |
| 01:10.24 | yagoo | kishy, if you installed debian and then moved that debian to another machine.. you'd have to figure out how to fix the bootloader |
| 01:10.26 | doublehp | kishy: ifconfig -a .... ? |
| 01:10.41 | RichiH | carandraug: that is either a message by dpkg after you rettied it or you did not actually unpack it |
| 01:10.41 | yagoo | retracts his last question to kishy.. |
| 01:10.50 | kishy | (if it weren't already obvious, linux newb of sorts) |
| 01:10.58 | RichiH | carandraug: i would press enter once and see if there is any disk activity |
| 01:11.20 | kishy | yagoo: i can't boot from the CD, it hangs at the ISOLINUX .... line |
| 01:11.22 | RichiH | that's what saved my apt-get dist-upgrade, back then |
| 01:11.34 | kishy | for everything except the -buntus, oddly enough |
| 01:11.48 | edju | I have both /etc/dhcp and /etc/dhcp3. Are they both supposed to be in the system? |
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| 01:11.56 | carandraug | RichiH, I'm not on the same room as the server. After that happening, when I run ps aux I no longer see the process I was trying to connect |
| 01:12.05 | carandraug | also, I'm not on the same room as the server |
| 01:12.08 | kishy | re: ifconfig suggestions, trying now. |
| 01:12.37 | streuner_ | fieldd: if simple sid backport doesnt work, you are free to compile it from source :-P |
| 01:12.58 | carandraug | RichiH, it was a messaged from dpkg aborting the upgrade that was doing before, not from tryting to install retty. I did that manually (I think I got that part done well) |
| 01:13.09 | fieldd | streuner_, so, about this step: If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:13.27 | fieldd | streuner_, does that mean that I add to /etc/apt/sources.list, this: deb-src http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/ncmpcpp |
| 01:13.30 | fieldd | yes? |
| 01:13.35 | kishy | ifconfig -a shows an eth1 and the loopback. eth1 has the mac addr of the hardware but didn't grab an ip addr |
| 01:13.39 | deanrantala | Anyone know what happened to PHP fileinfo? |
| 01:13.41 | Diytto | :) |
| 01:13.49 | deanrantala | I thought this was built into PHP now.. |
| 01:13.55 | deanrantala | (running sid) |
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| 01:14.16 | yagoo | kishy, you using straight-thru or crosswire ethernet cable? |
| 01:14.19 | kishy | (it is connected via a known good cable and had no problem with dhcp with wince on it) |
| 01:14.38 | kishy | straight-through to a 10/100 switch to my wireless router |
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| 01:14.49 | doublehp | kishy: mii-tools eth1 |
| 01:14.56 | doublehp | kishy: or miidiag |
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| 01:15.05 | kishy | i have neither |
| 01:15.11 | doublehp | install ! |
| 01:15.29 | kishy | my connection is too slow to download the big discs... |
| 01:15.37 | kishy | it took over an hour for the 130MB one |
| 01:15.57 | doublehp | plug the USB stick on an other machine, and use aptitude inside chroot |
| 01:16.03 | yagoo | kishy, if you've trying dhcp client from linux and no dhcp offers.. maybe u want to clear any dhcp-ip reservations on the dhcpserver (server may be looking for a hostname) |
| 01:16.07 | kishy | it's the only machine running linux in the house |
| 01:16.25 | doublehp | kishy: does the switch say the cable is wired ? |
| 01:16.30 | kishy | yes |
| 01:16.33 | kishy | and NIC lights do too |
| 01:16.34 | streuner_ | fieldd: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 01:16.42 | doublehp | set up the IP manualy |
| 01:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | kishy: You can install individual packages from on-line without downloading the whole disk image. |
| 01:17.05 | et | jhutchins_lt: kind of hard when you're trying to set up the network ;) |
| 01:17.10 | kishy | jhutchins_lt, but the nic is the ...yes |
| 01:17.10 | streuner_ | fieldd: "de" for your TLD, or just use that line |
| 01:17.23 | doublehp | kishy: you have windows ? use Cygwin to chroot |
| 01:17.40 | doublehp | kishy: you can establish network links over serial or parallel ports |
| 01:17.43 | et | chroot is overkill |
| 01:17.48 | doublehp | linux <=> windows works fine |
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| 01:18.07 | doublehp | kishy: set up an IP for eth1, and ping |
| 01:18.09 | kishy | is this package likely to fit on a floppy disk |
| 01:18.12 | kishy | because i can do that easily |
| 01:18.22 | et | kishy: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/e/ethtool/ |
| 01:18.26 | kishy | (or, hell, another flash drive) |
| 01:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | kishy: USB? |
| 01:18.34 | doublehp | kishy: set up an IP for eth1, and ping |
| 01:18.38 | kishy | assigning address manually now. and yes, it has USB |
| 01:19.42 | et | kishy: download the .deb for your architecture there and dpkg -i on your machine |
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| 01:20.58 | fieldd | streuner_, I've done that -- and apt-get update. still yet however that package still seems to be unavailable ("E: Couldn't find package ncmpcpp"). |
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| 01:21.25 | streuner_ | judd, versions ncmpcpp |
| 01:21.26 | judd | Package ncmpcpp on i386 -- sid: 0.5.4-1; squeeze: 0.5.4-1 |
| 01:21.46 | kishy | did ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.20 netmask 255.255.255.0, then pinged my router, destination host unreachable |
| 01:21.55 | streuner_ | fieldd: did you run apt-get update? |
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| 01:22.14 | fieldd | I did, yes. I suppose I'll run it again for good measure |
| 01:22.15 | doublehp | which IP did you ping ? |
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| 01:22.50 | fieldd | streuner_, oh, would I be using some special command to use backports, or am I find to just apt-get install ncmpcpp? |
| 01:23.13 | fieldd | I guess I'm not using backports, but just the unstable packages. ignore that statement |
| 01:23.13 | kishy | how in the hell do i stop the ping? and 192.168.2.2, my router |
| 01:23.21 | jordanm | kishy: ctrl+c |
| 01:23.22 | kishy | oh wait, typo, i put 1...which isn't even there |
| 01:23.29 | jordanm | sends a SIGINT |
| 01:23.34 | streuner_ | fieldd: judd doesnt mention backports. so... |
| 01:23.38 | doublehp | kishy: ^C |
| 01:23.40 | kishy | ah crap, it works. |
| 01:23.49 | kishy | (this is good, but now i feel like a fool) |
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| 01:24.14 | yagoo | kishy, try nslookup google.com or dig google.com .. if that fails look into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:24.23 | fieldd | streuner_, well I've run the apt-get update, and still apt-get install ncmpcpp returns with a message saying that such package couldn't be found |
| 01:24.31 | kishy | i have no nslookup |
| 01:24.35 | yagoo | thinks it may be dig @google.com |
| 01:24.49 | yagoo | kishy, or ping google.com |
| 01:24.51 | jordanm | fieldd: are you running squeeze or sid? |
| 01:24.56 | fieldd | jordanm, lenny |
| 01:24.56 | doublehp | kishy: which other device in the box could be used as network device ? does it have firewire ? IRDA ? bluetooth ? modem ? serial port ? dock base ? |
| 01:25.05 | streuner_ | fieldd: yes, you need to follow the instructions of /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:25.16 | jordanm | yagoo: if he can't ping his gateway, i doubt resolv.conf or pinging google is going to do any good |
| 01:25.16 | kishy | yagoo, unknown host |
| 01:25.21 | yagoo | oh he cant |
| 01:25.23 | jordanm | ,depends ncmpcpp |
| 01:25.24 | kishy | no i can ping the gateway |
| 01:25.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ncmpcpp' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 01:25.24 | yagoo | ok then.. |
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| 01:25.29 | jordanm | ,depends ncmpcpp --release sid |
| 01:25.30 | judd | Package ncmpcpp -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libfftw3-3, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmpdclient2 (>= 2.0), libncursesw5 (>= 5.7+20100313), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), libtag1c2a (>= 1.5). |
| 01:25.38 | yagoo | "<kishy> ah crap, it works." << what do you mean? |
| 01:25.40 | kishy | god this channel moves fast, i cant even keep track of the things that *I* say |
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| 01:25.56 | kishy | the first ping was to 2.1 which doesnt exist on my network, was a typo |
| 01:26.02 | Oqsy | kishy made a typo when entering his ip |
| 01:26.07 | kishy | 2.2 is my router. it worked after manual entry. |
| 01:26.12 | Oqsy | fixed it, and realized he COULD ping his router |
| 01:26.19 | Oqsy | now, continue. |
| 01:26.25 | doublehp | kishy: quote people, and people will quote you |
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| 01:27.00 | kishy | doublehp, i'm replying to multiple people, and trying to hammer out replies quickly...in a slow moving channel, ironically, i would. |
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| 01:27.29 | doublehp | kishy: if it works, it works. PRoblem fixed. route add default gw 192.168.2.2 , edit /etc/resolv.conf and add this as nameserver 8.8.8.8 (it's Google), then you should be able to browse normally: ping google.com will proove it |
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| 01:27.49 | doublehp | kishy: quote each person depending on what you say, and who you are answering |
| 01:27.55 | kishy | doublehp, but it doesnt work...why no dhcp assignment? |
| 01:28.04 | doublehp | kishy: when you have network, install dhclient |
| 01:28.05 | kishy | is it possible i dont even have a dhcp client... |
| 01:28.21 | kishy | doublehp, well that answers that lol. |
| 01:28.26 | doublehp | kishy: i just explained you 3 steps to fix it |
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| 01:33.54 | Oqsy | kishy: looks like you're pretty much there |
| 01:34.49 | kishy | doublehp, re nameserver, couldnt i add my router's IP as that's what i do for dns server on everything else which is static |
| 01:35.11 | kishy | or was there a specific reason you suggested that |
| 01:35.12 | fieldd | streuner_, sorry to keep bothering you -- the ssb instructions apparently go a far way, but eventually fail: Build command 'cd ncmpcpp-0.5.4 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. // E: Child process failed |
| 01:35.26 | doublehp | kishy: i can't know what your router can do or not; i gave you guide lines that will work on any computer, in any place |
| 01:35.41 | fieldd | any suggestions on how I should deal with that? |
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| 01:36.06 | kishy | doublehp, thank you. did with router ip and pinging google works...so yay in that regard. |
| 01:36.20 | kishy | since i'm obviously missing a mass of stuff...recommendations to apt-get first? |
| 01:36.33 | jordanm | kishy: now configure it interfaces or nm so you don't have to fool with it again |
| 01:36.33 | Oqsy | dhclient |
| 01:36.35 | Oqsy | :D |
| 01:36.38 | jordanm | kishy: or install a dhcp server... |
| 01:36.43 | kishy | (for the record, this will not be a machine i plan to use, but a basic web server) |
| 01:36.46 | doublehp | kishy: aptitude install dhclient, or whatever, then you are done. for security, install TWO different clients, just in case |
| 01:37.10 | doublehp | jordanm: plz don't talk foolish |
| 01:37.28 | Oqsy | kishy: is this going to be yr image server? |
| 01:37.34 | jordanm | erm, I mean install one on the network... |
| 01:37.40 | doublehp | he does ! |
| 01:37.41 | kishy | actually, well, dhcp...suppose i don't need to get that if it'll be a server |
| 01:37.45 | kishy | static address is optimal |
| 01:37.46 | doublehp | he is missing the client ! |
| 01:38.06 | jordanm | kishy: not when your webserver is down because it rebooted and you have to go ifconfig the ip |
| 01:38.08 | kishy | and yes Oqsy |
| 01:38.10 | jordanm | kishy: "man interfaces" |
| 01:38.20 | kishy | oooo jordanm i didn't realize it wouldn't stick |
| 01:38.22 | doublehp | kishy: if server assignes fixed IP relying on MACs, keeping dhcp around is acceptable |
| 01:38.39 | kishy | sadly my router doesn't let me tell it to give the same address again |
| 01:38.48 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 01:38.50 | ShapeShifter499 | anyway I can have empathy IM client mark me as away or auto set a status so my connected accounts don't show my friends I'm online when I'm actually in bed or no where near the keyboard |
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| 01:39.01 | doublehp | kishy: few dhcp server don't allow fixed macs |
| 01:39.13 | doublehp | i mean: never saw any |
| 01:39.24 | kishy | doublehp, i mean from the router's web interface, at least |
| 01:39.33 | jordanm | doublehp: there are lots of low quality home stuff out there... |
| 01:39.48 | kishy | no provision to say "this mac gets this ipaddr every time" |
| 01:39.58 | doublehp | low quality, either stay in the shop, or end in my bin before night |
| 01:40.08 | jordanm | kishy: perhaps you haven't installed the right firmware yet |
| 01:40.25 | kishy | there's no third party fw for V6000 of belkin F5D7340-4 |
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| 01:40.32 | doublehp | you need to pay for the pro license, to be allowed to upgrade to "server mode" ^^ |
| 01:40.38 | kishy | uh, 7320 i mean |
| 01:41.03 | kishy | my backlight is really on the edge of its life, i can barely see what i type...apologies |
| 01:41.03 | doublehp | kishy: admit your router is in fact using Windows, would explain everything:) |
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| 01:41.49 | streuner_ | fieldd: sorry, you seems to be fucked then, just install it from source |
| 01:41.57 | doublehp | working monitors on ebay from 15¤, |
| 01:42.05 | kishy | ugh, seventy-two-thirty, 7230. not important though. |
| 01:42.18 | kishy | long story short: no dd-wrt, tomato or any other exists for it |
| 01:42.24 | fieldd | streuner_, I think it fails just one dependency: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libmpdclient-dev |
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| 01:42.35 | streuner_ | fieldd: hm |
| 01:42.50 | streuner_ | judd, versions libmpdclient-dev |
| 01:42.51 | judd | Package libmpdclient-dev on i386 -- sid: 2.3-1; squeeze: 2.3-1 |
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| 01:43.21 | kishy | jordanm, further up, were you suggesting i can make the static assignment permanent |
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| 01:43.51 | streuner_ | fieldd: well, according to judd, it shouldnt be an issue... |
| 01:44.24 | jordanm | kishy: yes, using /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:44.50 | kishy | does the format in that file follow the same convention as the ifconfig command |
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| 01:45.10 | imc_A5 | hello |
| 01:45.14 | jordanm | kishy: it follows the convention layed out in man interfaces, that I suggested reading :) |
| 01:45.23 | kishy | jordanm, thanks, will do |
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| 01:45.49 | jordanm | kishy: I think there is a better example in the debian reference however |
| 01:45.52 | jordanm | !reference |
| 01:45.52 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 01:48.30 | kishy | yes, thanks jordanm. bookmarked. |
| 01:48.46 | kishy | presumes jordanm is who called up that message |
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| 01:54.10 | cusco | jelly-hme: I did set a simple bash script |
| 01:54.13 | cusco | the same happens |
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| 01:54.16 | cusco | wrong locale |
| 01:54.22 | cusco | only when ran by cron |
| 01:54.46 | cusco | and cat mail.txt|mail bla@bla is sent as an attachment |
| 01:54.53 | cusco | only when run by cron! |
| 01:54.59 | cusco | why?! |
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| 02:51.51 | lolcat | Autoinstall, does it require any input? |
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| 03:03.02 | IRani | hi any idea how can I install the ncurses library on debian? |
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| 03:04.23 | lolcat | If a debian installs freezes is it more likley the cd-room or ram? |
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| 03:07.55 | dvs | IRani: aptitude install libncurses5 |
| 03:08.06 | nsadmin | lolcat: you can check your ram |
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| 03:08.26 | nsadmin | there's memtest86 for intel machines |
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| 03:08.36 | u19809 | hi all, is there a version of libc6 v 2.7 I could install on etch that works together with the standard 2.6 version of libc6 ? I need to upgrade one package because of version conflicts with other servers |
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| 03:09.31 | nsadmin | u19809: well at best the thing you're doing would be custom, and problems could emanate later |
| 03:10.01 | nsadmin | otoh, could you just upgrade to lenny? |
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| 03:11.00 | u19809 | nsadmin, yes but it is a production system and it needs testing. I use unison to do backup between two servers and unison does a version check |
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| 03:11.18 | u19809 | so I need to upgrade unison (or disable versionchecking ???) |
| 03:11.34 | nsadmin | well like you say, it is production |
| 03:11.53 | nsadmin | upgrading libc is not something generally recommended for a production box |
| 03:12.12 | u19809 | nsadmin : i was hoping I could install it side-by-side \ |
| 03:12.25 | nsadmin | why not downgrade unison on the other box? |
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| 03:13.08 | u19809 | because unison on the second box is also used by other machines and those are already on a higher version and cannot be downgraded. |
| 03:13.24 | u19809 | (version no longer exist for these boxes) |
| 03:13.27 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 03:13.49 | nsadmin | are most of your machines lenny? (heh, are most debian?) |
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| 03:14.01 | nsadmin | bbiab |
| 03:14.10 | u19809 | i have etch lenny and kubuntu 10.10 in the picture |
| 03:14.11 | compaq | How can I determine which directory are located on what disk. Say /dev/hda2 |
| 03:14.42 | u19809 | compaq : lsof, fuser |
| 03:14.50 | Sark | compaq - do you have the disk mounted, or are you trying to look at it without mounting it? |
| 03:14.59 | compaq | Sark, it is mount |
| 03:15.38 | Sark | if you type 'mount', you'll see where the disk is mounted to |
| 03:15.47 | Sark | then you can go to that directory and do an ls. |
| 03:16.11 | compaq | Sark, yep, thanks |
| 03:16.20 | compaq | My / directory is full, how can I make space? |
| 03:16.33 | Sark | delete some stuff, or move it to another filesystem |
| 03:16.46 | Sark | usually, when / fills up, your /var/log directory is full of crap. |
| 03:17.00 | Sark | Or, you just wrote too much stuff somewhere :D |
| 03:17.24 | u19809 | compaq : use 'find' to find large files |
| 03:17.44 | compaq | Sark, I think I was trying to do apache server for two sites, and so I moved from /var/www to /root/www |
| 03:18.12 | Sark | ah. but is /root on the same filesystem as / ? it probably is. |
| 03:18.20 | compaq | Sark, I think so |
| 03:19.05 | Sark | is this box running mysql? |
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| 03:19.22 | compaq | Sark, yeah, I installed it, but couldn't work |
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| 03:20.02 | Sark | ah. so you're not running a database. mysql is notorious for generating large transaction logs if you're running an active database. |
| 03:21.06 | compaq | Sark, ahh, thats what did it, so I probably just delete those mysql logs |
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| 03:22.24 | Sark | at least the old ones. If you want to blow away all of them, stop mysql first, then delete them. If you don't intend to use mysql, then you can just leave it stopped or get rid of it. |
| 03:22.54 | Sark | there will be apache transaction logs too. but you might want to keep those if you're actually running apache. |
| 03:23.20 | sam113101 | I'm able to install flash player 64-bit but not flash player 32-bit |
| 03:23.21 | sam113101 | help me |
| 03:23.31 | sam113101 | the 64-bit version is laggy |
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| 03:24.44 | Sark | woohoo. Got the fileserver back up. Now I just have to hope that this extension cord doesn't melt... heh. |
| 03:24.48 | compaq | Sark, no I don't need any logs for now, but I may wan them later. Actually, I think I will just remove sql for now, cause I don't want this trouble again, maybe when I get a computer with a bigger harddrive, I will try sql again |
| 03:25.41 | Sark | I'm actually suprised that you managed to generate large sql logs if you weren' t actively running a database. It's supposed to log activity, and if you never used it, there should not have been any. |
| 03:26.19 | compaq | Sark, I think it all these java sdk's I was installing from source. I regret it, I hate installing other than apt-get |
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| 03:28.01 | randomuser | hello |
| 03:28.13 | compaq | Is there way to run du -h to only show files larger than 10mb? |
| 03:28.35 | u19809 | nsadmin : I am going to recompile unison for etch. However there is a 'diff' on the original ... how can I apply this diff on the orig source ? |
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| 03:29.19 | randomuser | compaq, there's an implementation of 'find' that does things like that. I dont know how. |
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| 03:31.17 | randomuser | I'm curious how the users here would rate debian as a kvm virtualization host, as compared to other distros |
| 03:31.22 | nsadmin | find uses an expression which is run on each thing in the dirs |
| 03:31.36 | nsadmin | if it's true, then find found. |
| 03:31.56 | nsadmin | if not, it didn't and find goes to the next thing |
| 03:33.29 | yoshio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.24 | whodevil | hello all, I have 3 debian servers on my network. I'm wondering what the easiest way would be to keep them all up to date with out having to ssh to each of them and apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 03:36.34 | whodevil | I'm assuming I could do it with cron |
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| 03:36.58 | whodevil | but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a tool that might help facilitate this in a more elegant way? |
| 03:37.07 | compaq | yoshio, thanks |
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| 03:38.18 | u19809 | where can I find an etch dists repository ? |
| 03:38.35 | yoshio | compaq: file size too ===> find . -size 10M -print -printf "%s " |
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| 03:39.33 | lolcat | whodevil: Sounds like an awfull idea |
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| 03:42.13 | whodevil | lolcat: how do you propose I keep all my systems up to date? |
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| 03:42.29 | yoshio | tell u19809 about etch sources.list |
| 03:42.30 | whodevil | login and touch them all the time? |
| 03:43.09 | lolcat | whodevil: 4 computers? SSH |
| 03:43.20 | lolcat | I wouldnt update with cron |
| 03:43.20 | yoshio | !tell u19809 about etch |
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| 03:44.01 | yoshio | !tell u19809 about etch sources.list |
| 03:44.04 | lolcat | whodevil: It isnt safe to update automagicaly |
| 03:44.10 | lolcat | Something migth break |
| 03:44.35 | whodevil | I agree |
| 03:45.04 | whodevil | I was wondering if anyone had written a tool to help upgrade multiple machines from one place |
| 03:45.13 | lolcat | whodevil: That makes more sence |
| 03:45.17 | whodevil | like a debian update console or something |
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| 03:48.26 | everyman_ | my xorg.0.log shows the mode is invalid e.g. No valid modes for "1024x768" |
| 03:48.52 | everyman_ | but my nvidia driver looks working fine with glxinfo, glxgears |
| 03:49.04 | everyman_ | how can i change to set the right resolution? |
| 03:49.26 | everyman_ | xrandr only appears with 480x600 or something similar |
| 03:50.24 | yoshio | whodevil: aptitude show dsh (haven't tried this package -- http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/dsh.html.en ) |
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| 03:53.07 | alm | hey all, somebody sent me a copy of linux to run and i ran it |
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| 03:53.14 | alm | and it just seems to crash |
| 03:53.22 | yoshio | everyman_: under Ubuntu, a friend's computer would display 1024x768 when he was logged in, but be much higher at the gdm login screen - had to add a 1024x768 line to xorg.conf to make it stay that resolution. |
| 03:53.47 | alm | i ran ./linux and i just get an error about TEMP or something and says my password is changed |
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| 03:54.36 | everyman_ | I have `Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" ' within xorg.conf, but it still shows 640x480 only. |
| 03:54.49 | everyman_ | xrandr appears no other resolution. |
| 03:55.20 | everyman_ | and other resolution e.g. 1024x768 written inside the xorg.conf shown in log saying it is not valid mode. |
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| 03:56.38 | lolcat | FAI is a non-interactive system to install, customize and manage Linux systems and software configurations on computers as well as virtual machines and chroot environments, from small networks to large-scale infrastructures and clusters. |
| 03:56.49 | lolcat | To whomever asked about admining several servers |
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| 03:58.58 | yoshio | everyman_: I'm using gnome - can you go to System->Preferences->System Settings->Display, and change the resolution? |
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| 04:01.01 | mainer | i'd try setting it by running nvidia-settings as root or via sudo. |
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| 04:04.02 | everyman | I think I found the root cause. |
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| 04:05.41 | everyman | the problem is the line is not well connected to the monitor. |
| 04:06.42 | everyman | stop the machine; make sure the line connects well; restart the system. then I get back with 1920x1200. |
| 04:06.49 | everyman | thanks for help. |
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| 04:13.29 | cesurasean | I have a problem. I need to go through some php files and replace &new with 'new'. How can I do this with grep? |
| 04:13.48 | cesurasean | I want EVERYTHING changed inside a folder that has &new to 'new' |
| 04:13.55 | cesurasean | how can i do this easily with grep, and command line? |
| 04:14.11 | flock-_ | Error mySQL connection : mysqlconnect/db server: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 04:14.13 | flock-_ | any ideias? |
| 04:14.13 | cesurasean | I don't feel like using dreamweaver, and opening every file to do a file and replace |
| 04:14.25 | cesurasean | find and replace* sorry |
| 04:15.39 | cesurasean | in other words, I need to find horde3 without &new in the code! |
| 04:15.43 | everyman | cesurasean: have you tried sed? |
| 04:15.49 | cesurasean | no |
| 04:15.56 | cesurasean | what is sed? |
| 04:16.09 | everyman | sed -e 's/\&new/new/g' |
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| 04:16.23 | cesurasean | will that look through every contents of a folder? |
| 04:16.36 | everyman | sed is a stream editor that can manipulate content of files. |
| 04:16.38 | cesurasean | i want to look inside one directory, and change EVERYTHING inside it with those lines |
| 04:16.43 | everyman | using reg expression. |
| 04:16.50 | cesurasean | is that the correct code i need to use? |
| 04:16.56 | cesurasean | it won't alter other files outside it? |
| 04:17.13 | everyman | I think so by aiding of other tool e.g. find |
| 04:17.32 | cesurasean | you think so? or you know so? |
| 04:17.38 | cesurasean | i don't want to alter other files! |
| 04:17.48 | cesurasean | do i just cd into the directory i wanted changed and run that command? |
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| 04:18.40 | everyman | you test with this command `sed -e 's/\&new/new/g' /tmp/x` for instance |
| 04:18.53 | everyman | editing a file named /tmp/x |
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| 04:19.09 | everyman | contain any data which also contains &new |
| 04:19.14 | cesurasean | everyman, i want to edit multiple files at once |
| 04:19.18 | everyman | then issue command sed -e 's/\&new/new/g' /tmp/x |
| 04:19.20 | cesurasean | an entire directory, and subdirectories |
| 04:19.50 | cesurasean | EVERYTHING inside folder /home/seanbrady/public_html/clients |
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| 04:20.09 | cesurasean | the horde script just needs that minor tweak to install correctly on squeeze |
| 04:20.47 | everyman | with that requirement (multiple files within a folder, subdir etc), you can use `find _start_point_dir_ -name _file_pattern_ -exec sed -e 's/\&new/new/g' {} \;` |
| 04:21.15 | everyman | But I would suggest you test it first by yourself. |
| 04:21.50 | cesurasean | find: `_start_point_dir_': No such file or directory |
| 04:22.10 | cesurasean | im guessing i have to replace start point dir and file pattern? |
| 04:22.14 | cesurasean | what do i put in place i those |
| 04:22.23 | cesurasean | i already gave you the directory path i need to search in |
| 04:22.37 | cesurasean | /home/seanbrady/public_html/clients |
| 04:22.55 | flock-_ | any ideias how to fix this mysql error |
| 04:22.58 | flock-_ | Error mySQL connection : mysqlconnect/db server: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 04:23.04 | everyman | cesurasean, replace _start_point_dir_ with folder you want e.g. /home/seanbrady/public_html/clients |
| 04:23.11 | cesurasean | flock-_, is your database running? |
| 04:23.20 | everyman | which is the folder you want that command to find starting from. |
| 04:23.28 | cesurasean | everyman, what do i use for file pattern? |
| 04:23.41 | flock-_ | yes cesurasen |
| 04:24.05 | everyman | cesurasean, file pattern part may replace with something like \*.\*, indicating all files. |
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| 04:24.15 | everyman | or \*.c indicates c source files. |
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| 04:24.55 | cesurasean | ok, its rolling now |
| 04:24.58 | cesurasean | cool. |
| 04:25.00 | everyman | flock-_, are you connecting to mysql from remote side? |
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| 04:26.10 | everyman | checking if bind-address in my.cnf (within /etc/mysql/ dir) is set to 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:26.18 | everyman | that means it can access locally. |
| 04:28.34 | flock-_ | no |
| 04:28.41 | flock-_ | I am connecting locally |
| 04:29.20 | flock-_ | yes bind address is set 127.0.0.1 |
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| 04:29.28 | cesurasean | everyman, i ran this with no luck `find /home/seanbrady/public_html/clients -name \*.\* -exec sed -e 's/\&new/new/g' {} \;` |
| 04:29.44 | yoshio | cesurasean: I had to put "-i" in front of "-e" to get it to edit files in place |
| 04:30.10 | cesurasean | cool |
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| 04:30.15 | cesurasean | everyman is the shit |
| 04:30.28 | cesurasean | he is not every man |
| 04:30.31 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 04:32.22 | cesurasean | didnt work on all files! |
| 04:32.39 | cesurasean | only some! |
| 04:32.41 | yoshio | cesurasean: you may not need the "-name \*.\*" bit, unless you are looking for files that have a period in the filename (I think) |
| 04:33.41 | cesurasean | yoshio, this one seems to be verbatim as it goes through |
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| 04:34.43 | cesurasean | still didnt work |
| 04:35.18 | cesurasean | :( |
| 04:35.24 | cesurasean | why won't it work on some of these files? |
| 04:36.20 | yoshio | cesurasean: did those files not have a period in the filename? are some of the tags like &NEW (not all lowercase)? |
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| 04:36.45 | tp43 | can anyone help me setup virtual hosts on apache |
| 04:37.30 | cesurasean | yoshio, it's & new |
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| 04:37.36 | cesurasean | instead of &new |
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| 04:39.40 | cesurasean | ok, now i can't login to horder |
| 04:39.42 | cesurasean | horde |
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| 04:39.54 | cesurasean | it accepts the password, doesn't tell me wrong password, but doesn't log me in |
| 04:39.59 | cesurasean | anyone have a clue why? |
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| 04:45.52 | mainer | sounds like user/group permissions issue |
| 04:46.44 | Nai-ux | what is the apt package for c manual pages? i forget =) |
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| 04:47.39 | dondelelcaro | Nai-ux: manpages-dev |
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| 04:50.54 | Nai-ux | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 04:51.03 | Soothsayer | im setting up a dedicated server and needed some advice on how to layout the domains |
| 04:51.35 | Soothsayer | every user's domain goes under $HOME/example.com/ |
| 04:51.56 | Soothsayer | should every domain owner user be added to the same group ? |
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| 04:54.54 | cesurasean | mainer, horder tells me i have successfully logged in |
| 04:54.59 | cesurasean | horde |
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| 05:02.18 | mainer | cesurasean: i don't have horde but most issues are user/group perms,or bad configs. maybe the project leader changed something,sorry i can't help more. if its an xwindow issue maybe no .Xauthority. just thinking what seems to be logical to my lack of specific knowledge of horde. |
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| 05:03.20 | cesurasean | what is the default username and password for horde3 install? |
| 05:03.28 | cesurasean | using apt-get install horde3? |
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| 05:04.55 | yoshio | cesurasean: maybe there is a faq in /usr/share/doc/horde3 ? |
| 05:06.04 | yoshio | whodevil: there is a package called clusterssh |
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| 05:06.50 | mainer | cesurasean: dunno but this seems to be related,there's a faq page also http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~razvan/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=tutorials%3Ahorde_groupware |
| 05:08.05 | mainer | sorry wrong link thats for lenny,this is main how-to page http://wiki.horde.org/HowTo?referrer=WikiHome |
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| 05:09.48 | mainer | and project page http://www.horde.org/ |
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| 05:14.38 | cesurasean | what is the best groupware solution to use with dovecot/postfix? |
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| 05:16.21 | Bushmills | a nice design on the box is always a good indication for the '"best" program |
| 05:16.42 | Darkstar | mrs. fieldds you got my cookies? |
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| 05:20.21 | cesurasean | does citadel work with postfix/dovecot? |
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| 05:29.10 | whodevil | yoshio: thanks for the heads up :) I'll check out those pkgs see if they fit what I'm looking for. |
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| 05:31.35 | whodevil | oooo clusterssh looks sweet :) |
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| 05:49.55 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 05:50.14 | man_in_ltop | anyone know how to get xorg to autodetect usb keyboards/mice that are plugged in after X is loaded |
| 05:50.15 | man_in_ltop | ? |
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| 05:50.56 | Bop | is it possible ? |
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| 05:51.52 | man_in_ltop | is what possible? |
| 05:52.01 | Bop | to load is after X is loaded |
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| 05:52.34 | man_in_ltop | i don't know. used to work |
| 05:52.55 | man_in_ltop | i think the devices are now evdev instead of using /dev/input/mice or whatever |
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| 05:54.04 | Bop | yeah udev |
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| 05:54.25 | man_in_ltop | :| |
| 05:54.26 | lpjhjdh | trying to get sudo working in an schroot environment but I'm getting pam errors. Anyone know what is required to get sudo working? |
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| 06:02.16 | lpjhjdh | nm, I'm an idiot |
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| 06:04.56 | cantido | lpjhjdh: in a chroot? |
| 06:05.38 | lpjhjdh | cantido: yeah, wasn't copying shadow |
| 06:06.23 | cantido | mmm I don't know if you could get it working in a chroot, an lxc container would work though |
| 06:07.01 | lpjhjdh | cantido: it's working now, I couldn't even su prior |
| 06:07.22 | lpjhjdh | cantido: thanks, also just for future reference what is an lxc container? |
| 06:07.43 | cantido | lpjhjdh: lxc is chroot++ |
| 06:08.02 | cantido | I think it's in squeeze, might not be in lenny without patches |
| 06:08.11 | lpjhjdh | cantido: I see, checking out the sourceforge page now. Very interesting, thanks again.j |
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| 06:10.00 | lolcat | Yeah, FIA is installing debian |
| 06:10.19 | man_in_ltop | ok, this is fun: it works if i switch VTs away from and back to X |
| 06:10.33 | lolcat | Kernel panic - nots syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 06:10.36 | lolcat | is that bad? |
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| 07:25.10 | vaq | Can anybody mention a daemon that checks if a service runs, and if not it auto restarts it? |
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| 07:29.07 | nsadmin | vaq, look into daemontools |
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| 07:38.29 | vaq | nsadmin: any others? |
| 07:39.48 | nsadmin | man 5 inittab |
| 07:39.55 | nsadmin | man init |
| 07:41.24 | nsadmin | so you got two search results from some human... now get some more from nonhumans |
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| 07:50.52 | xerox1 | hi, recently icq has changed something about login; now it is recommended to update open icq-clients to fix login-issues; is there an update for finch in lenny? can find one... |
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| 08:04.11 | yoshio | xerox1: I don't see anything in http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog |
| 08:06.19 | xerox1 | yoshio: thx for searching |
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| 08:48.57 | rubin110 | I have a script that is renaming files in a squence from 1 to 100, is there a simple way to have the script print two zeros before a single digit number and 1 zero before a double digit number? |
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| 08:50.41 | mordocai | rubin110: Well, in pseudo-type code, if number < 10 then print 00 + number else print 0 + number |
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| 08:53.52 | peterrooney | rubin110: "seq -w" does the trick |
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| 08:54.40 | mordocai | likes peterrooney's solution better than his. |
| 08:54.51 | mordocai | ^ use his :P |
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| 08:55.21 | peterrooney | i find, most times i'm wanting to write a program, someone else has done it before and better. |
| 08:56.20 | mordocai | Very true. Especially if you are on debian. (even better than other linux distros, as we have more packages! :P) |
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| 09:21.17 | Bushmills | rubin110: printf '%03d' $number |
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| 09:22.51 | Bushmills | as in for num in {0..100}; do printf '%03d ' $num; done |
| 09:23.16 | Bushmills | mordocai: why so complicated? |
| 09:23.44 | mordocai | Bushmills: I'm a C programmer, I can't helpt it. It is in my blood! :P |
| 09:24.03 | Bushmills | i thought there's printf in C libs too |
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| 09:24.32 | mordocai | There is, i'm not sure if that particular notation is the same though. In any case, i've never used it lol. |
| 09:25.36 | mordocai | I don't do much at the interface level very often... |
| 09:29.03 | Bushmills | my solution "personal style" would look different to. more like <# # # #s #> type |
| 09:29.14 | Bushmills | too |
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| 09:33.10 | ferranp | hello, how i can install xapian in debian? thanks |
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| 09:34.16 | fusebox | Good morning! |
| 09:34.25 | niklaswe | ferranp: check if you can find it apt-get otherwise download the tarball and install it from source? |
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| 09:37.24 | ferranp | niklaswe:thanks, in the past, i'm get an error with /usr/lib/libxapian.so.15 |
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| 09:38.35 | hanibanaa | hi, is there any command line tool to automatically recognize an achive/compression file format and extract it if proper commands (for example bzip2, gzip...) be availabe at system? |
| 09:39.18 | hanibanaa | dealing with much of such files, and do not want to write a script if somesthing like is already availabe... |
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| 09:44.06 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 09:45.42 | aprendiz001 | I can't install a debian 5.06 in a G5 power pc |
| 09:45.49 | aprendiz001 | I have errors during partition |
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| 09:46.11 | aprendiz001 | something about creating a newWorld partition |
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| 09:46.17 | aprendiz001 | anybody can help me? |
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| 09:47.31 | fusebox | Is it quite impossible and unsuggested to use few unstable packages under stable? For example, under stable PHP version is 5.2.6, but under unstable, it's 5.3.3. |
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| 09:48.00 | mordocai | fusebox: Impossible, no. Unsuggested(is that a word?) yes. |
| 09:48.18 | mordocai | fusebox: I'd probably compile the php version instead, personally |
| 09:48.24 | fusebox | I'm asking because currently I run Gentoo, but I'd like to migrate to Debian - but currently I have no idea if I can ran system on stable but still get few new packages...or do I need to run whole system unstable. :) |
| 09:48.51 | frikinz | fusebox: it is possible. Not suggested. You can try first using a backport if one is available. |
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| 09:49.01 | mordocai | fusebox: Well, I use a testing/unstable mix and it is (ironically) relatively stable. |
| 09:49.17 | fusebox | mordocai: In Debian world it means that You compile it and then make sure that package manager wont touch it? |
| 09:50.27 | mordocai | fusebox: Yeah. Basically, you should be able to make sure the package manager hasn't installed it(and remove it if it has) then do an apt-get build-dep php(should get the dependencies for compiling php) then compile and install. |
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| 09:51.37 | fusebox | Seems like a piece of cake. :) |
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| 09:52.45 | mordocai | Yeah, i'd assume there's a guide for compiling php up somehwere. |
| 09:54.37 | fusebox | Ok, will search. :) I think I'll start up with Stable and see how historical it will stay - I'm ready to do anything for stable system. Currently I manage to run Gentoo for max 2 year cycles - then it breaks. :) |
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| 09:56.09 | mordocai | Yeah, and a new stable should be coming out soonish apparently, so that'll get you a more updated version of php at least. |
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| 09:57.19 | fusebox | Sounds good. |
| 09:58.04 | mordocai | And by "soonish" i mean whenever the developers decide testing is ready to be stable... so I don't really know how long it will be lol |
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| 10:01.17 | fusebox | Oh, that soonish :) |
| 10:01.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/developers/release managers |
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| 10:06.54 | mickmill | hi |
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| 10:09.32 | mickmill | is there a lib to send emails out (encrypted, no smtp plaintext)? |
| 10:09.42 | fusebox | Thank you mordocai. |
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| 10:13.04 | vtts | mickmill, are you asking about the delivery subsystem or content it self? |
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| 10:21.15 | mickmill | ctts: the delivery subsystem - because a lot of smtp-server only allow encrypted connections. |
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| 10:21.24 | mickmill | vtts: see above |
| 10:21.27 | fusebox | By the way, might it work with Debian too?(my last usbstick took bath in whiskey glass lol and no cd/dvd) http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/InstallFromGRUB |
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| 10:22.47 | vaq | Is it possible to copy a fdisk partition layout? |
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| 10:24.13 | themill | mickmill: the standard approach to this is to have a properly configured MTA on the local machine and let it do all that work for transfering mail off to a smarthost that will do the delivery. Your own app then only needs to call /usr/sbin/sendmail with appropriate options to inject the mail into your local mail queue. |
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| 10:26.42 | mickmill | themill: ah okay thanks a lot, ... so is there a good and lightwight MTA which runs on linux,mac,windoze? ... or do you know of any non standard approach with a lib? |
| 10:28.45 | themill | cross platform mta? no idea. If you need that sort of cross-platform mail handling, then you might find that in something like the Qt libraries where they abstract out the details and use the appropriate method for each platform. |
| 10:29.13 | themill | (it also sounds like you're asking the wrong questions) |
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| 10:29.48 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 10:29.56 | jelly | mickmill: any local MTA can be run under Cygwin, if a MTA really is what you want even under Windows. But typically you just need a tool to send mail, because the /usr/sbin/sendmail API isn't really used under windows. |
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| 10:30.35 | superlinux | check this out, still out of the oven fresh news - i think: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=2 |
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| 10:31.01 | themill | superlinux: wrong channel? |
| 10:31.28 | superlinux | no not wrong! there is a kernel patch that can speed the responsive of the desktop |
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| 10:31.37 | zxd | why does debian's init in initramfstools create the file /dev/.initramfs-tools what is its purpose |
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| 10:31.57 | superlinux | so I expect that should be added to debian |
| 10:32.24 | themill | superlinux: yes. Wrong channel. If you want to chat about recent news stories, you want #debian-offtopic. If you want to see if debian will include it, you want to bring it to the attention of the kernel team. In any case, it's not a user support question and #debian is the wrong place. |
| 10:32.49 | jelly | superlinux: we can read slashdot as well. That patch has good and bad sides, and optimizing for silly workloads isn't necessarily a good idea. |
| 10:33.17 | superlinux | ahh! jelly , good point |
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| 10:33.49 | superlinux | but I do have what's in the "before" video |
| 10:34.34 | ferranp | hello, when i'm try "sudo apt-get purge libxapian15" the following packages will be removed aptitude* libept0* libxapian15*, i'm not uninstall aptitude? thanks |
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| 10:35.52 | themill | ferranp: aptitude uses xapian for searching |
| 10:37.22 | ferranp | themill:uupps, then you have nothing to do with installing django haystack i xapian |
| 10:37.47 | ferranp | themill:it's a dependency for aptitude |
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| 10:40.35 | superlinux | I have another question: ain't a big gap from 2.6.32 to 2.6.36? |
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| 10:40.45 | superlinux | the kernel version I mean |
| 10:40.46 | sly007 | -rwSrwsr-- 1 www-data team 2610 Dec 5 2009 wp-config.php ==> I'm in group team and I can't save the file once modified, is that normal (can't open for writing)? |
| 10:41.33 | ferranp | themill: thanks a lot |
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| 10:47.03 | simonrvn | sly007: for one thing, setuid/gid on that thing is useless, as denoted by the S (setgid doesn't have it, but is implied IMO, but probably not technically correct); as for not being able to write to it, check the parent dir perms. |
| 10:47.31 | sly007 | drwsrws--x 3 www-data team 23 Dec 7 2009 blogen |
| 10:47.36 | sly007 | simonrvn: that's the dir above |
| 10:48.29 | simonrvn | weird. is the fs mounted r/o perhaps? |
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| 10:49.11 | simonrvn | what editor are you using? |
| 10:50.09 | eviltoaster | hm i read that "iptables -m string --agol kmp --string "Firefox" is not recommended becouse it is at level7 but it was old news? is it still not recommended to use? |
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| 10:53.19 | vtts | eviltoaster, depends on what you are trying to do |
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| 10:54.27 | eviltoaster | vtts, block torrent software at my local school |
| 10:55.33 | Mowee | leechre |
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| 10:58.14 | vtts | eviltoaster, this will not block encrypted torrents |
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| 10:58.45 | sly007 | simonrvn: the fs is rw |
| 10:58.50 | sly007 | simonrvn: i'm using vim |
| 10:59.20 | eviltoaster | vtts, do you have any better solution? |
| 10:59.34 | Mowee | let the people share |
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| 11:00.14 | simonrvn | should be ok... |
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| 11:01.13 | vtts | eviltoaster, i doubt the solutions for this problem have anything to do with debian :) |
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| 11:03.06 | vtts | eviltoaster, but as a last note, you could check out ipp2p module for netfilter. Unfortunately a do not know any free solution which would block encrypted torrents on a linux based router. |
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| 12:50.19 | Tobias| | Hiya. I"m trying to run the command `mount -t fuse -s -o allow_other,reconnect,uid=1000,gid=1000 sshfs#tobias@server:/home/tobias /mnt/remote/server`, but it's simply hanging and I can't figure out how I can debug this. Anybody able to help? |
| 12:50.24 | Tobias| | I'm* |
| 12:51.16 | SwedeMike | Tobias|: does invoking sshfs directly work? |
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| 12:52.04 | dimir | Tobias|: ye, do you have passwordless ssh connection set up? |
| 12:53.00 | Tobias| | huh |
| 12:53.03 | Tobias| | sshfs is also hanging |
| 12:53.17 | SwedeMike | Tobias|: sshfs -v should give you some info |
| 12:53.56 | SwedeMike | hm, the man page doesn't list any -v optino |
| 12:54.00 | SwedeMike | option |
| 12:54.17 | SwedeMike | ah, -d |
| 12:54.25 | Tobias| | Will try -o sshfs_debug |
| 12:55.16 | Tobias| | huh; not seeing anything :( |
| 12:55.22 | Tobias| | I get some relatively useless stuff |
| 12:55.36 | Tobias| | Such as ssh version/sshfs version/sshfs extensions |
| 12:55.41 | Tobias| | But nothing exceptional beyond that |
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| 12:57.10 | SwedeMike | Tobias|: and you can ssh to the host just fine? |
| 12:57.35 | Tobias| | Yes |
| 12:58.01 | Tobias| | ssh tobias@server uptime |
| 12:58.01 | Tobias| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:58.43 | Tobias| | I've been using WinSCP in the past previously just fine to access files |
| 12:58.59 | Tobias| | Albeit, that's a Windows program, and nowhere near as awesome as sshfs anyway |
| 12:59.02 | aguitel | how install java in debian ? |
| 13:00.41 | amphi | Tobias|: if ssh works, scp should also work |
| 13:00.45 | amphi | win or no |
| 13:01.08 | javier__ | i need to view de comments column in nautilus, someone know how i can do it? |
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| 13:01.36 | themill | aguitel: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 13:02.43 | stichla | Hi. How does one install a lot of (multiple) packages with apt-get? |
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| 13:02.59 | stichla | as in queing 50 packages to be installed... |
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| 13:03.08 | Tobias| | apt-get install package1 package2 package3 package4 .. packagen |
| 13:03.39 | stichla | but why does some people put '\' in this lines? |
| 13:03.55 | themill | stichla: or look at aptitude's --schedule-only option |
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| 13:03.59 | Tobias| | Simply to make it look pretty |
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| 13:06.20 | stichla | ok |
| 13:06.22 | stichla | thanks |
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| 13:13.44 | IRani | hi, anyone can tell me how can I upgarde form tcl 8.4 to 8.5? |
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| 13:15.12 | themill | ,versions tcl8.5 |
| 13:15.14 | judd | Package tcl8.5 on i386 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; sid: 8.5.8-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2; experimental: 8.5.9-1 |
| 13:15.30 | themill | IRani: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 13:17.44 | abrotman | IRani: are you still trying to compile eggdrop? |
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| 13:18.23 | doublehp | how do i get /proc/net/nf_conntrack existing ? |
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| 13:18.57 | IRani | abrotman no its done :) thanks to you folks in here |
| 13:19.08 | IRani | themill how can I know that? |
| 13:19.39 | IRani | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 13:19.58 | vtts | IRani, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:20.22 | IRani | 5.0.6 |
| 13:21.09 | vtts | IRani, so have you tried to install tcl8.5 ? |
| 13:21.25 | IRani | I did but I think I did it in a wrong way |
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| 13:21.59 | IRani | vtts here is what I did apt-get install tcl8.5-dev |
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| 13:22.34 | abrotman | IRani: what are you trying to do .. |
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| 13:23.16 | vtts | IRani, it should have installed tcl8.5 too, any errors? |
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| 13:24.12 | IRani | im tying to install there packages Tcl 8.5, Http and Ip |
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| 13:31.28 | vtts | doubleukay, did you load conntrack modules? |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | IRani: yes .. to do what? |
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| 13:35.50 | IRani | abrotman to intsall the tcl8.5 |
| 13:36.46 | vtts | doubleukay, sorry, it wasn't for you :) |
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| 13:43.43 | bar__ | why when I use tabs to align lines in vim, then view the file with 'cat', all the tabs are mis-aligned ? :( |
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| 13:45.17 | elenril | because the tabs are evil and should die in a fire? |
| 13:48.16 | Dad` | bar__: try with :set expandtab |
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| 13:50.15 | Brahman_Work | elenril: +1 |
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| 13:50.48 | Brahman_Work | set ts=4 tabwidth=4 expand |
| 13:51.00 | paradigm | bar__: you probably don't have tab set to 8-characters, which is how 'cat' interprets it |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | IRani: yes .. why are you trying to install tcl8.5 ? |
| 13:51.18 | bar__ | paradigm: Right, I have it set for 4-chars, it's much eaiser... |
| 13:51.22 | themill | (just don't edit Makefiles with those sorts of tab settings) |
| 13:51.28 | bar__ | paradigm: Can I fix that somehow while still using 4-chars ? |
| 13:51.40 | paradigm | bar__ you can set vim to automatically turn it into 4 spaces |
| 13:51.45 | bar__ | People actually use spaces instead of tabs ? that's not nice |
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| 13:52.04 | bar__ | yeah but that's weird to edit... vim knows to do the other way around when editing afterwards ? |
| 13:52.16 | Brahman_Work | bar__: IMHO using spaces is nicer. the vim options is pasted above will do this nicely. |
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| 13:52.46 | paradigm | bar__: you can set vim to treat groups of 4 spaces like tabs, or to automatically covert it to spaces only when saving and back to tabs when opening, so it's always spaces on disk and tabs in vim |
| 13:52.46 | bar__ | Brahman_Work : Why do you think its nicer ? It's harder to edit, taking more space... |
| 13:53.02 | paradigm | bar__: personally I use tabs internally and spaces on-disk |
| 13:53.09 | bar__ | paradigm: OK, better than now.. how can I do what you sa |
| 13:53.11 | bar__ | paradigm: OK, better than now.. how can I do what you said* |
| 13:53.35 | paradigm | 1 sec, lemmep ut the code somewherea ccessible |
| 13:54.22 | elenril | bar__: tabs are evil exactly because of the problem you've just encountered |
| 13:54.23 | Brahman_Work | I find that if using spaces all my code/configs end up with spaces. If using tabs I willl sometimes copy and paste from the console and end up with a mixture of tabs/spaces. Not nice. Each to his own though... |
| 13:54.30 | elenril | i.e. they're not portable |
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| 13:55.31 | paradigm | bar__: https://gist.github.com/703397 |
| 13:55.37 | paradigm | put that in your .vimrc |
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| 13:56.01 | paradigm | and it should tab-ify any groups of whatever your tab is set to when you open a file, and space-ify it when you close |
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| 13:56.30 | awk | hi guys, not sure I understand... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=599423 this reports a bug in phpbb 3.0.7 however i'm running and update to date debian using stable version and my latest package is 3.0.2-4 |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | awk: does the bug affect you? |
| 13:56.49 | awk | Is there an additional repo I need to get this 3.0.7 as 3.0.2-4 has bugs |
| 13:57.12 | awk | 3.0.2-4 mass mail doesn't work. so I want to use a later version without installing from source |
| 13:57.18 | abrotman | awk: not sure why it was marked done .. poor form |
| 13:57.24 | abrotman | judd: versions phpbb3 |
| 13:57.25 | judd | Package phpbb3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.2-4; sid: 3.0.7-PL1-4; squeeze: 3.0.7-PL1-4 |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | awk: you'd have to backport it yourself |
| 13:57.36 | awk | ahh, squeeze is using 3.0.7 |
| 13:57.47 | awk | abrotman: how would I see what it depends on ? |
| 13:58.04 | awk | without actually trying to install it |
| 13:58.15 | awk | can judd answer this ? |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | awk: packages.debian.org/phpbb3 .. look at the squeeze version .. but i suspect it won't be pretty |
| 13:58.25 | awk | :P |
| 13:58.35 | awk | abrotman: so you presume just remove the package and install from source? |
| 13:58.41 | awk | and upgrade the table structure in the db? |
| 13:58.57 | abrotman | no, i wouldn't be using phpbb3 :) |
| 13:59.07 | awk | lol, that doesn't help as I do :) |
| 13:59.14 | abrotman | you can try to backport it |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | !tell awk about ssb |
| 13:59.22 | awk | yes it wasn't a well thought out aproach when I started but this is where I have landed up |
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| 14:00.01 | awk | Thanks :) |
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| 14:01.52 | awk | Anyone know more about this Openssl 0day ? |
| 14:02.06 | awk | should there be worried, should we disable all ssl until more information has been released? |
| 14:02.24 | vtts | awk, how much more do you need? |
| 14:03.50 | Rienzilla | hmmwhat? |
| 14:03.58 | Rienzilla | there is another ssl issue? |
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| 14:05.03 | awk | sorry, disconnected. |
| 14:05.14 | awk | Was there a response? |
| 14:06.02 | Almad | when I invoke dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot-tcp -us -uc mutiple times, I get packages with various md5sums. Is there a way to avoid that? |
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| 14:06.53 | vtts | awk, there is already enough information availabe to decide what is safe and what is not |
| 14:07.12 | awk | Ok, I'll spend more time reading, thanks. |
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| 14:08.34 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I prevent CUPS from sharing and getting shared printers via the network? |
| 14:08.57 | themill | Almad: not really. The packages contain the timestamps of the files that were compiled and that varies from build to build. |
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| 14:10.50 | Almad | oh my |
| 14:10.59 | Almad | themill: feared that, thanks |
| 14:11.50 | themill | Almad: you could touch the files to the same time stamp and also the directories involved... but that's not going to be pretty either. |
| 14:12.29 | Almad | no, thanks, I'd rather hack around, it will be less hacky |
| 14:12.44 | Almad | configuring his CI system |
| 14:12.45 | themill | Almad: debdiff might be what you're looking for. |
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| 14:14.02 | Almad | themill: no, my problem is that under some circumstances, package may be rebuild by CI system, which drives debian crazy in variety of ways |
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| 14:15.54 | Brahman_Work | awk: are you refering to http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20101116.txt? |
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| 14:16.32 | bar__ | paradigm: Thanks a lot about the vimrc! |
| 14:16.46 | paradigm | happy to help |
| 14:16.59 | arcsky | anyone know how i can simply encrypt my /home direcotory ? |
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| 14:17.37 | zver | hello, can u help me? How I may use variable of current version in debian/rules? This variable is exist? P.S. sorry for my badly English |
| 14:18.14 | zver | ouch, i misspell, in debian/control! |
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| 14:20.30 | bar__ | paradigm: It works great. To your knowledge it doesn't do anything bad to save it as spaces on disk ? |
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| 14:21.04 | bar__ | paradigm: Ofcourse I have to use only vim when editing files because if not then this trick will be messed out |
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| 14:21.29 | paradigm | bar__: the only possible downside that I am aware of is that you may have spaces other than at the beginning of the line - where you explicitely want spaces |
| 14:21.44 | paradigm | for example, if you've got a program which includes a variable string with four spaces in it |
| 14:22.05 | paradigm | but other than edge cases like that, I've been using something along the lines of what I linked you to for a few months without any problems |
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| 14:23.03 | paradigm | I guess it could also be a problem if you later change the number of characters per tab you'd like |
| 14:23.06 | bar__ | paradigm: And you use only because cat and other programs use a different tab width (8) then what you like on vim ? |
| 14:23.22 | paradigm | bar__: many, many people prefer to just use spaces everywhere and never use tabs |
| 14:23.27 | paradigm | this way I'm compatible with them |
| 14:23.31 | paradigm | but I can still use my tabs internally |
| 14:23.42 | bar__ | yeah |
| 14:23.44 | bar__ | OK... |
| 14:23.45 | bar__ | thanks |
| 14:23.48 | paradigm | I work on collaborative projects in python |
| 14:23.50 | paradigm | it comes up a lot |
| 14:23.52 | paradigm | happy to help |
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| 14:26.18 | doublehp | my rc states K18portmap ; why is portmap running ? who could depend on it and start it ? |
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| 14:27.32 | rzeka | How can I check the list of groups that exists in my Debian Lenny? |
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| 14:27.50 | doublehp | rzeka: /etc/groups$ |
| 14:27.53 | doublehp | -$ |
| 14:28.01 | rzeka | :* |
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| 14:28.50 | boobsbr | I'm trying to install Debian 5.0.6 i386 on a VirtualBox VM and the networking just does't work (either dhcp or manually). Why does this happen? |
| 14:28.54 | Janni | Hello. Anybody knows a good alternative to ulimit, which I find much too limited in its features? |
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| 14:29.07 | abrotman | sledgehammer |
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| 14:31.40 | narwhale | hi, what can i do, if my debian testing netinstall won't recognize my PCI sata card's disks? chipset is via VT6421 |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | narwhale: what was the name of the ISO? when did you download it? |
| 14:32.46 | narwhale | abrotman: i got it from netboot.me |
| 14:33.04 | abrotman | that doesn't help me |
| 14:33.16 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. that's where the images are |
| 14:33.31 | narwhale | i'll have a look |
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| 14:35.42 | tremby | how do i determine the block size of an ext4 partition? |
| 14:36.35 | doublehp | tremby: tune2fs ? |
| 14:37.17 | tremby | doublehp: i'll have a look, thanks |
| 14:37.23 | doublehp | yup: tune2fs -l foo | grep -i bloc |
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| 14:38.42 | narwhale | well... i still have'nt determined what image i used... but if lspci -v says driver in use: sata-via than the kernel sees the card, am i right? |
| 14:39.00 | narwhale | so something is wrong with my card then? |
| 14:39.56 | doublehp | testing ... should be recent |
| 14:40.02 | doublehp | which chipset ? |
| 14:40.04 | doublehp | how old ? |
| 14:40.15 | doublehp | if >2y, it should be recognied |
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| 14:41.00 | narwhale | VT6421 |
| 14:41.07 | doublehp | narwhale: can you install on any other disk ? do full install of debian testing (I mean, should take 20mn, just to be able to install "latest" kernel - installer kernel is not latest) |
| 14:41.11 | doublehp | and see if it comes then |
| 14:41.13 | narwhale | seems to be old... |
| 14:41.23 | tremby | doublehp: that works, thanks very much. |
| 14:41.46 | narwhale | nope, i don't have any ide disks around |
| 14:41.50 | doublehp | narwhale: RAID !!! which kind of raid is it ? |
| 14:42.16 | narwhale | i want to use it as a sata controller only |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | narwhale: wait .. did you already setup the "raid" array? or it doesn't see any disks at all ? |
| 14:42.30 | doublehp | i ask again: which kind of raid is it ? |
| 14:42.30 | narwhale | no |
| 14:42.44 | narwhale | no raid at all |
| 14:42.49 | narwhale | it has a single 500g disk |
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| 14:43.03 | doublehp | narwhale: for real raid cards, you wont see anything untill you configure it |
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| 14:43.17 | doublehp | for cheap raid cards, you should see disks anyway |
| 14:43.23 | narwhale | it is only a cheap fakeraid |
| 14:43.24 | doublehp | thus asking: which kind |
| 14:43.49 | narwhale | 7$ for a new one :P |
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| 14:44.27 | doublehp | narwhale: strange |
| 14:45.40 | narwhale | if i fail to do it in 3 more tries, than i will fry that bugger and get one with a different chipset :P |
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| 14:46.26 | doublehp | narwhale: installer kernel are always funky; can you try a full install on some other disk ? |
| 14:46.42 | narwhale | nope |
| 14:46.54 | doublehp | narwhale: they are "safe", so, sometimes, have to disable some known to be unstable drivers |
| 14:46.54 | abrotman | narwhale: do you have the PCI ID? lspci -nn |
| 14:47.40 | doublehp | narwhale: i see it's a // PCI card; what's the CPU ? |
| 14:48.12 | narwhale | dublehp an old p3 something |
| 14:48.36 | doublehp | P III is recent enough; card needs PCI 2.0, all Pentiuym pro and > have it |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | narwhale: is the controller pretty new? or pretty old? |
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| 14:48.53 | abrotman | narwhale: did you get that PCIID yet? |
| 14:49.00 | narwhale | the controller is fresh from the shop but the chipset seems to be old |
| 14:49.08 | narwhale | 1 sec i have just one screen :P |
| 14:49.08 | doublehp | narwhale: arg, PCI 2.2 ... can you check in the MB specs for PCI 2.2 ? |
| 14:49.21 | narwhale | 1106:3249 |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1106:3249 |
| 14:49.29 | judd | [1106:3249] is 'VT6421 IDE RAID Controller' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_via' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3249 |
| 14:49.40 | abrotman | if lenny sees it, squeeze should |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | narwhale: now, do you konw which kernel that weird image you used has? |
| 14:49.53 | doublehp | abrotman: nice bot <3 |
| 14:50.00 | narwhale | sata via show up in lspci -v |
| 14:50.11 | abrotman | narwhale: that's a hardware inspection, not a driver inspection |
| 14:50.17 | narwhale | so it must be the card... |
| 14:50.22 | narwhale | oh well :) |
| 14:50.35 | doublehp | narwhale: he just said: the card is recognised by bus |
| 14:50.48 | abrotman | doublehp: that doesn't mean it's full functional |
| 14:50.50 | doublehp | narwhale: now, need to know if kernel recognises the card, then, if card recognises the disks |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | fully functional |
| 14:52.30 | narwhale | i will throw it out and get a new one |
| 14:52.39 | narwhale | if the card is faulty |
| 14:53.03 | narwhale | thank you for the help |
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| 14:56.02 | cusco | hi |
| 14:56.41 | doublehp | my rc states K18portmap ; why is portmap running ? who could depend on it and start it ? |
| 14:57.17 | cusco | heirloom mailx is sending e-mail and the envelope from: has "envelope-from <"fnac@pcmedic.pt"@pcmedic.pt>" and sender: Sender: "fnac@pcmedic.pt"@pcmedic.pt |
| 14:57.17 | cusco | I can't figure out why "user@domain"@domain |
| 14:57.25 | stew | doublehp: fam |
| 14:57.44 | abrotman | narwhale: did you try a liveCD of any sort? |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | narwhale: does the controller BIOS see your drive? |
| 14:58.01 | doublehp | stew: i know what fam is; but what is it *for* ? |
| 14:58.07 | narwhale | abrotman: i found the reason |
| 14:58.11 | narwhale | the card is faulty |
| 14:58.21 | narwhale | at next boot the card's bios hung |
| 14:58.25 | doublehp | narwhale: only testing with windows can 100% proove it |
| 14:58.46 | narwhale | so much for the cheap cards :) |
| 14:58.51 | doublehp | narwhale: BIOS hung usually is MB has PCI 2.1 or 2.0 - thus asking |
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| 14:59.22 | narwhale | it was fine first |
| 14:59.27 | narwhale | then it hung |
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| 14:59.45 | narwhale | if i try to fix it longer then a hour then i'm wasting money :) |
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| 14:59.59 | narwhale | so i just go and get a different one |
| 15:00.11 | narwhale | these are cheap |
| 15:00.19 | narwhale | but thank you :) |
| 15:00.41 | quitte | hi. anyone got an idea if and where i can get 12V 500mA from a pc in standby? |
| 15:00.51 | narwhale | live long and prosper abrotman, doublehp :) |
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| 15:01.47 | doublehp | quitte: how old is box ? |
| 15:01.53 | doublehp | quitte: #hardware |
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| 15:02.08 | doublehp | quitte: internally, you can use the Vsb wire (forgot color, wikipedia will tell ) |
| 15:02.57 | doublehp | quitte: recent machines (>2005) have a BIOS option to enable permanent supply of USB; in that case, you have always +5V on USB ports; some machines never do it; some machines always, some machine have it configurable feature |
| 15:03.38 | doublehp | quitte: purple |
| 15:04.18 | quitte | doublehp: thanks! |
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| 15:04.45 | quitte | not very old. amd64x2. |
| 15:04.59 | quitte | doublehp: but 5v doesn't help anyways |
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| 15:05.45 | simon__ | hello. I'd like to bind different terminal-background-colors to different applications. can someone explain me how to do that? |
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| 15:05.58 | doublehp | quitte: MB dependant any way; all ATX supply provide at least 500mA (ATX standards); mine go up to 3A (Antec ). AT don't have it. Some other non-ATX suuply may still have Vsb, depends |
| 15:06.08 | doublehp | quitte: need 12 ? use a DCDC pump |
| 15:06.47 | quitte | the 500 is a maximum, so i guess it's worth a try to just tap purple |
| 15:06.47 | doublehp | simon__: terminal dependant; so, in short: #<your DM> |
| 15:07.07 | simon__ | k thanks |
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| 15:07.31 | doublehp | assuming you are using the term from your DM of course :) |
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| 15:09.06 | amee2k | if i get an error message that a package cannot be authenticated while installing it, how do i figure out which private key i'm missing? |
| 15:09.25 | doublehp | quitte: i use dedicated components to pump 5V to 12; they are expensive, and reserved for "selected people", the ones who know ... but i think in a few years, we will see devices available for public use , like ... I expect cheap led drivers allowing to get to use 12V LEDs on 4.5V battery packs, including mandatory pump |
| 15:09.30 | doublehp | on DealExtreme |
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| 15:10.39 | amee2k | i already installed debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring, but its still not working |
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| 15:10.44 | quitte | doublehp: i just became selected people :) studying ee now. |
| 15:10.48 | doublehp | quitte: you don't always need to hack the purple wire: Vsb is available on WOL plug, if you have it |
| 15:11.19 | doublehp | quitte: then, you want to register to Texas instrument, Microchip, and Maxim, and start using their sample programs |
| 15:11.21 | quitte | no.lan is onboard. vsb is very convenient if it works. |
| 15:11.34 | doublehp | quitte: I use ... DCDC from TI. Ref coming in sec |
| 15:11.45 | amee2k | also, why did the 4.0 netinst cd set my sources.list up to pull packages from the 5.0 repo?! |
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| 15:12.48 | abrotman | amee2k: it set it up for stable .. |
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| 15:13.08 | amee2k | no, it explicitly added the lenny repos |
| 15:13.27 | doublehp | quitte: PT5541 fixed 5>12 1A , PTN04050 adjustable 2.4A |
| 15:13.33 | amee2k | deb http://blah/debian/ lenny main ... |
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| 15:13.53 | amee2k | could that explain the failure to authenticate packages? |
| 15:14.09 | doublehp | quitte: doublehp@doublehp.org for more electronic tips . Gotta go. |
| 15:14.10 | stew | amee2k: show us the output in a pastebin |
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| 15:14.27 | amee2k | its in the install system |
| 15:14.37 | amee2k | i can't copy it out of there |
| 15:15.09 | stew | amee2k: the etch installer? |
| 15:15.17 | amee2k | yeah |
| 15:15.33 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:15.35 | Posterdati | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.37 | quitte | doublehp: thanks. when cct and led lights became common i began wondering why new houses aren'T built with additionol 12V and 5V wiring. a single highly efficient transformer in the basement would be so much more efficient than thousands of wallwarts. |
| 15:15.51 | stew | amee2k: its no longer supported. if you are trying to get lenny packages, it would be using F42584E6 |
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| 15:16.28 | stew | amee2k: either that or 55BE302B |
| 15:16.44 | amee2k | how do i check which key was used to sign the package? |
| 15:17.05 | amee2k | also, if it used these repos to install the base system, it did install a 5.0 system |
| 15:17.07 | themill | !secure apt |
| 15:17.07 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 15:17.19 | themill | amee2k: ^^ the wiki page shows you how to do the verification manually |
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| 15:18.38 | stew | amee2k: the Release file is signed with a detached signature in Release.gpg. "gpgv Release.gpg Release" would tell you if the signature matches and what key signed it |
| 15:18.49 | amee2k | i've got both the 55BE302B and the F42584E6 keys installed, according to apt-key list |
| 15:20.35 | stew | amee2k: yes, it appears that those are the two keys which sign the Lenny release file |
| 15:21.04 | amee2k | hm. i've just cleared the cache and updated the package lists |
| 15:21.04 | stew | Signature made Sat 04 Sep 2010 01:30:28 PM EDT using RSA key ID 55BE302B ; Signature made Sat 04 Sep 2010 01:37:54 PM EDT using DSA key ID F42584E6 |
| 15:21.34 | amee2k | since the installer set up the 5.0 repos i'll keep these for now. if they turn out to be the issue, i can always change it |
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| 15:22.02 | stew | amee2k: we'd strongly recommmend that you install 5.0 using the 5.0 installer instead of installing 5.0 using thr 4.0 installer |
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| 15:22.22 | amee2k | the 5.0 installer kernel panics :P |
| 15:22.30 | amee2k | ooh. now it seems to work |
| 15:23.02 | stew | amee2k: did you try my suggestion of trying to blacklist the kernel modules seeming to cause a problem? |
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| 15:23.42 | amee2k | its running out of ram ;) |
| 15:23.57 | amee2k | there isn't much to blacklist about that |
| 15:24.05 | cdave | Is there a way i can use posint script to install cron entries ? |
| 15:24.18 | amee2k | this time the 4.0 installer seems to work though |
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| 15:25.02 | solars | hey, does anyone know the reason why there are no amd64 versions for http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/slapd :) |
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| 15:25.10 | solars | aeh *? |
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| 15:25.54 | amee2k | somehow it insists on mouinting the suspend to disk partition (type 0xA0) as xfs filesystem lol |
| 15:26.55 | cv | hi, i'm using debian testing, just changed my motherboard, and the ethernet module won't load because of firmware stuff, if i understood well this bug report (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309), i don't even need the firmware... details here: http://pastebin.com/VFd7WRjQ How can i solve this? do i HAVE to get a kernel source, patch it, and build? |
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| 15:27.44 | amee2k | so... moment of truth |
| 15:27.46 | amee2k | reboots |
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| 15:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you been shoppin for shoes |
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| 15:31.53 | cv | short version: is there a way to disable a firmware without building the kernel? |
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| 15:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | cv, eww, that's two bugs mixed in one? |
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| 15:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, the crash shouldn't happen anymore, question is what happened to the firmware, no? |
| 15:35.03 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like, but anyway just gave it to expose the fact that my card seems to not requiring the firmware |
| 15:35.33 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: but that's... weird i'd say (2 bugs in 1) |
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| 15:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does lspci -nnn give you as pciid |
| 15:36.48 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: pciid is the [xxxx:xxxx] right? that's [10ec:8168] |
| 15:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 15:37.08 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 15:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nothing additional there except that it's supported, which we already knew |
| 15:38.31 | xxtjaxx | uh oh there is a hash sum mismatch for me on ftp.de.debian.org |
| 15:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and looks like 3 bugs in one |
| 15:39.18 | cv | looks like i'll have to build a kernel... without network to download, means pendrive... crap |
| 15:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | confusing |
| 15:39.38 | xxtjaxx | not sid tohough ... |
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| 15:40.24 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: can i just get the sources of my kernel, patch it, and build only the module? |
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| 15:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not getting a "possibly missing firmware" but "unable to apply firmware patch" |
| 15:42.30 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but this firmware is just nowhere |
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| 15:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I find that as confusing as you :) |
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| 15:48.38 | cv | hmmm, i could also install the drivers from realtek... but that means using a non-free firmware, that it seems i don't even need... |
| 15:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno - Ben H. there says "Only the RTL8168D chips want this firmware, and they appear to mostly work without it." |
| 15:49.43 | stew | cv: you have RTL8168D or RTL8168E ? |
| 15:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | which might mean you have one that does, or the firmware-message is just a warning that is unrelated and the problem is really something else |
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| 15:50.38 | cv | stew: lspci says RTL8111/8168B |
| 15:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's requesting rtl8168d-2.fw |
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| 15:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happens if you do "ifconfig eth0 up"? |
| 15:53.08 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what makes me think i don't need it, according to what i have read, the drivers try to use it even if the card don't need it, but i'm a bit confused about this... so who knows? ^^ |
| 15:53.26 | amee2k | there is no 2.4 kernel on 5.0 anymore, eh? |
| 15:53.40 | stew | amee2k: nor on 4.0 |
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| 15:53.46 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: "No such device" |
| 15:53.54 | amee2k | meh |
| 15:53.58 | amee2k | kinda thought so |
| 15:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, fairysnuff |
| 15:54.14 | stew | amee2k: its possible to use a 2.4 kernel on 4.0, but some stuff (like mysql) won't work. on 5.0, its not possible to run a 2.4 kernel |
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| 15:54.36 | bar__ | I heard that's it's possible that hackers will somehow remotely change firewall rules to allow them access that wasn't allowed before. Is that possible with iptables ? How can I prevent that or read more about it ? |
| 15:54.39 | amee2k | meh. theres allready lots of 5.0 stuff in there |
| 15:54.46 | bar__ | maybe they were talking about ICMP redirects and those stuff ? |
| 15:54.48 | amee2k | guess i'll be stuck on 2.6 then |
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| 15:57.24 | stew | bar__: anyone that can run commands as root can change rules using iptables. i can't picture any other way however |
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| 16:00.56 | amee2k | wait, 2.6 kernels deprecate PCMCIA?! |
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| 16:01.59 | amee2k | i just got a warning while installing setserial "pcmcia: detected deprecated pcmcia ioctl from process cardctl. this interface will soon be removed." |
| 16:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | cv, also, "pci int a" disabled _looks_ like it is disabling the card, but googling for the error I ain't so sure... these might both be warnings... wasn't there anything else? |
| 16:02.36 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: no. it's just the ioctl API that's being changed |
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| 16:03.26 | gucki | hi. how can i make "apt-get -y ..." (or the underlying dpkg) to not even ask for questions in post-install? |
| 16:03.29 | amee2k | ah, okay. |
| 16:03.32 | gucki | i need to fully automate and cant handle any dialogs in post-inst (like they show when you upgrade sshd). i'd simply assume yes everywhere |
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| 16:03.40 | cv | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing that looks like an error, or even a warning, guess it just disable the device because it couldn't initialize it |
| 16:03.51 | thewanderer1 | gucki: you would need to set the debconf frontend, I think |
| 16:04.07 | gucki | "dpkg --configure -a --force-confdef" does not work :( |
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| 16:04.17 | gucki | thewanderer1: mh, i'm not sure what you exactly mean |
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| 16:06.01 | abrotman | gucki: dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. you can set the priority |
| 16:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean the message doesn't say it disables the device... just "PCI INT A" ... which might mean it's disabling the device or it might not... the message at least also appears out of the context of cards that are disabled |
| 16:07.40 | gucki | abchirk: ok 'Ill try. can i automate this command too? so i set it to critical, upgrade, and then back to high? |
| 16:07.45 | stew | gucki: or you can try to set DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 16:08.06 | stew | err, "DEBIAN_FRONTEND" see man 7 debconf |
| 16:08.11 | gucki | stew: this sounds good, going to try this now :) |
| 16:08.44 | _____________ | can anybody explain to me why the liquorix kernel is SO faster than the stock one ? |
| 16:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | magic |
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| 16:09.28 | _____________ | ARE YOU A WIZARD |
| 16:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | if... I'd be a Wizzard |
| 16:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | _____________: Carefully compare the configuration and compile options, as well as patches applied. |
| 16:10.58 | bar__ | I heard that's it's possible that hackers will somehow remotely change firewall rules to allow them access that wasn't allowed before. Is that possible with iptables ? How can I prevent that or read more about it ? |
| 16:10.59 | bar__ | maybe they were talking about ICMP redirects and those stuff ? |
| 16:11.13 | stew | i guess he didn't like my answer |
| 16:11.19 | bar__ | stew: Sorry didn't notice you answered! sorry. |
| 16:11.39 | stew | bar__: firewall rules cannot be changed remotely |
| 16:11.40 | bar__ | stew: thanks for answering. Are you sure that this cannot be done with source routed packets, or some ICMP redirect or weird stuff like that ? |
| 16:12.03 | stew | that would be insanity |
| 16:12.08 | bar__ | stew: Maybe not changed in the regular way, but maybe it's possible to trick the firewall into opening or forwarding a port that shouldn't be opened to the outside ? |
| 16:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, perhaps it's like with doctors... "can't hurt to get a 2nd opinion" :-P |
| 16:12.30 | bar__ | I'm probably talking nonsense |
| 16:12.40 | bar__ | Nah stew has great answers :p |
| 16:12.47 | stew | bar__: if that were true, it would be fixed immediately |
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| 16:13.24 | thewanderer1 | bar__: you are probably talking about Firefox IRC port exploit |
| 16:13.40 | thewanderer1 | (or any other "known port" or "known browser" - it goes by many) |
| 16:13.43 | bar__ | thewanderer1: What's that ? |
| 16:14.15 | thewanderer1 | it relies on the way Linux's conntrack helpers work - some protocols need to make connections back to the originating host and the firewall should allow that |
| 16:14.32 | gucki | ok, the solution was: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg --configure -a --force-confdef" :) |
| 16:14.47 | gucki | tnx all involved :) |
| 16:15.11 | thewanderer1 | it is most often a sign of bad protocol design (think FTP), but anyway, it results in the firewall allowing some inbound connections because they think it's the user which initiated the transfer |
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| 16:16.11 | thewanderer1 | it goes sth like <img src="http://somebody.setup.us.the.bomb:1234" /> where 1234 is a port number likely to catch conntrack helper's attention, and the server receives the request and then tries to connect to the originating IP address |
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| 16:17.08 | thewanderer1 | it is not very helpful to the attacker unless something is listening on your machine - the proof of concept was meant to prove the "LAN = trust" view wrong |
| 16:17.28 | bar__ | thewanderer1: But why the firewall is not dropping this ? |
| 16:18.24 | bar__ | oh they somehow use XSS to inject it into an internal network user, which open it and the somebody.setup.us.the.bomb is a bad bad person ? |
| 16:18.26 | thewanderer1 | because of helper modules which facilitate special connections, such as IRC - the IRC server might for example want to connect to your IP address and get some info from auth service, which should be listening on some port 123 or so |
| 16:19.06 | bar__ | why the IRC server should connect to my computer ? :| |
| 16:19.15 | bar__ | I'm connecting to it and not vice-versa |
| 16:19.18 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 16:19.30 | _____________ | jhutchins_lt: i see a huge difference |
| 16:19.38 | thewanderer1 | that's what I call flawed design, but actually, the Internet is *by design* a peer-to-peer network |
| 16:19.46 | thewanderer1 | and it is really the NAT which is breaking things |
| 16:20.19 | thewanderer1 | that's why the FTP originally works by the SERVER making connections to the CLIENT to transfer data |
| 16:20.24 | bar__ | thewanderer1: I really don't understand how the firewall would allow incoming connections to a port that's closed on that interface... |
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| 16:21.56 | thewanderer1 | it works by a hash table I think - Linux stores the outbound connection details (source ip, dest ip) and when that host wants to connect back to a port defined by the conntrack module, it allows it... |
| 16:22.29 | thewanderer1 | so it actually port-forwards the port of the firewall to the internal client's appropriate port |
| 16:22.30 | bar__ | thewanderer1: But the port that's allowed to him is some random port above 1024 |
| 16:22.36 | thewanderer1 | in case of FTP, yes |
| 16:22.37 | jhutchins_lt | _____________: 90% of what most people do with a computer has almost nothing to do with the kernel. One glance at "top" will show you that. |
| 16:22.45 | bar__ | thewanderer1: That's the wanted behavior |
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| 16:22.55 | thewanderer1 | yes, but not with all protocols |
| 16:23.13 | jhutchins_lt | _____________: Unless you're looking at some kind of benchmark you're very unlikely to see any difference in performance if you run an i386 kernel. |
| 16:23.19 | thewanderer1 | but now imagine a protocol that expects the server to ask the client on port 123 |
| 16:23.25 | bar__ | thewanderer1: When an internal LAN computer contacts port 8123 on some ip on the outside, that ip on the outside should return (because the connection established... |
| 16:23.45 | thewanderer1 | of course PAT takes care of that, bar__ |
| 16:23.54 | thewanderer1 | but conntrack helpers are more than just that, this is the point |
| 16:24.04 | thewanderer1 | they allow *additional* connections to come back |
| 16:24.58 | bar__ | you mean they see that port 21 in the server asked to connect to port 20 in the client to send data... |
| 16:25.05 | bar__ | and they allow that because it's RELATED ? |
| 16:25.13 | thewanderer1 | yes, sth like that |
| 16:25.31 | bar__ | ok why this is bad and how someone can exploit that ? I thought this is good to have RELATED ACCEPT .... |
| 16:25.37 | bluegene | i've got additional ip addresses for my rootserver, how do you usually configure them? are virtual interfaces such as eth0:0 the way to go? |
| 16:25.45 | _____________ | jhutchins_lt: well I use pytyle to tile my windows, and with the liquorix kernel (686) the is a huge difference. It is much snappier |
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| 16:25.59 | thewanderer1 | bluegene: either aliases or just `ip address add` - read the manual of ip |
| 16:26.07 | bluegene | thanks, thewanderer1 |
| 16:26.20 | thewanderer1 | bar__: this is not handled through -m state --state RELATED |
| 16:27.19 | thewanderer1 | bar__: it works via -m helper --helper ftp, for example, so it checks other conditions than just the tcp flow |
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| 16:29.22 | foo_ | hi |
| 16:29.31 | foo_ | wie kann ich Dateien, besser Verzeichnisse verschluesseln ohne root-Rechte zu benoetigten (auch sudo scheidet aus, da es auf allen Linuxbasierten Systemen funktionieren soll). Nach möglichkeit kein GPG |
| 16:29.38 | foo_ | truecrypt, dm-crypt & Co brauchen alle root-Rechte wenns ums mounten geht :( |
| 16:30.19 | SPF | !de |
| 16:30.19 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 16:33.02 | cv | bloody blobs... guess i'll just install realtek drivers, then find a solution to get rid of that firmware |
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| 16:34.02 | lucio | hi, can somebody recommend a netbook with n450 and good battery runtime? |
| 16:34.34 | thewanderer1 | I'm not recommending netbooks with Atom other than Z-series Atom, and ask ##hardware as this is not a good channel for it |
| 16:34.54 | bar__ | thewanderer1: Do you have a link explaining this maybe ? :| |
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| 16:35.51 | thewanderer1 | bar__: well, not really, my head is not full of links... you should be able to find it by googling really hard - depends on what you want, iptables internals or the attack mechanics themselves |
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| 16:38.33 | bar__ | I want to know how the attack works and how to defend against it |
| 16:39.42 | SPF | lucio: you might want to ask your question in #hardware |
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| 16:41.48 | bint | hi there |
| 16:42.46 | bint | lets say the "folder" belongs to root, and group user1. i'm user1 and folder is chmod 757 |
| 16:42.56 | bint | do i have now rights for 5 or rights for 7 |
| 16:43.04 | bint | well dunno if this question is understandable |
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| 16:44.13 | stew | bint: i'm pretty sure you have 5. but tias |
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| 16:45.51 | thewanderer1 | bar__: there's nothing you can do in the forseeable future - just don't run sensitive daemons (echoing your /etc/shadow continously on port 123, for example) |
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| 16:46.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so echoing on port 124 would be ok... |
| 16:47.21 | thewanderer1 | sure, but when you do, make sure that you implement a firewall that really knows the concept of "outside" and "inside" and filters accordingly |
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| 17:00.15 | IRani | abrotman b/c I have eggdrop which is running the tcl required to have tcl8.5 |
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| 17:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | lucio2: Dunno if you're near a Micro Center, but they have a bice 450 in the Acer AO532h-2268, reconditioned, $199, everything works in Debian. |
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| 17:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | lucio2: It doesn't seem to get 8 hours runtime as promised, but it's pretty good. |
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| 17:26.32 | babaji | i have a doubt regarding debian |
| 17:27.15 | Bushmills | just one? |
| 17:27.29 | babaji | means i have a software that works best for debian, so am i elligible to charge for that software? |
| 17:27.46 | babaji | hmm..truly there are many doubts |
| 17:28.15 | Bushmills | you can do with your own software what you want, including selling them. you may even sell gpl programs, written by others |
| 17:28.47 | thewanderer1 | as soon as you comply with the license terms yourself |
| 17:28.56 | thewanderer1 | s/as soon/as long/ I meant |
| 17:29.32 | babaji | is that possible that i modify the kernel according to my needs and than sell my distro stating linux as free and only charged for my software? |
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| 17:30.34 | Bushmills | yes, but you must make the sources with your modifications available |
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| 17:30.52 | Mr_Queue | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.54 | Bushmills | in such a way that people can compile a kernel themselves from your modified sources |
| 17:31.13 | babaji | kernel source will be available but can i hide the source of my software? |
| 17:31.18 | Mr_Queue | Kernel patch I should have added.. |
| 17:31.30 | thewanderer1 | babaji: if you modify GPL software, it stays GPL |
| 17:31.35 | Bushmills | of your own software? or of gpl software, modified for your distribution? |
| 17:31.44 | thewanderer1 | you can sell it but the customers can modify it, see its source and even sell it |
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| 17:32.38 | jmd | Why do people always use "but" and not "and" when explaining that feature of copyleft? |
| 17:33.13 | babaji | so do anyone has any idea that mac evolved from free BSD than after mac was propritory!!t |
| 17:33.26 | stew | you can NOT sell GPL software for which you don't own the copyright |
| 17:33.41 | stew | you can charge a cost reasonable cost of transfer, but not for the software |
| 17:33.52 | babaji | Bushmills:source code of my software is that also assumed as open source?? |
| 17:33.52 | jmd | stew, You can't sell the software, but you can sell copies of it. |
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| 17:34.02 | stew | jmd: no, you cannot |
| 17:34.11 | jmd | Of course you can. |
| 17:34.29 | IRani | stew can you please tell me how can I install the tcl8.5 thanks |
| 17:34.40 | stew | jmd: which clause of the GPL gives you this right? |
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| 17:35.03 | stew | IRani: aptitude install tcl8.5 |
| 17:35.04 | babaji | ??? |
| 17:35.12 | IRani | thanks |
| 17:35.32 | stew | IRani: or tcl8.5-dev depending on what you are doing |
| 17:35.41 | jmd | stew, Hang on I'll look it up. |
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| 17:35.45 | stew | babaji: the BSD license if very different and much more permissive than the GPL |
| 17:36.06 | thewanderer1 | one can distribute GPL software for a fee |
| 17:36.11 | stew | yes |
| 17:36.25 | thewanderer1 | I think #gnu is a nice channel to talk about that :) |
| 17:36.43 | stew | "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy" |
| 17:36.45 | IRani | stew I have eggdrop which is running the tcl required to have tcl8.5 |
| 17:37.29 | IRani | here is the error Im getting version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.4, need 8.5 |
| 17:37.29 | IRani | while executing |
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| 17:37.32 | stew | IRani: i assume you still don't want to answer my questions about "why are you compiling eggdrop instead of just 'aptitude install eggdrop' which would install a precompiled version with all its dependencies" |
| 17:37.34 | jmd | stew, Clause 1 it would seem. |
| 17:38.24 | IRani | stew I did as you said :) aptitude install eggdrop and its working now but for that tcl in my eggdrop I need the tcl8.5 |
| 17:38.32 | babaji | i am really messed up don't know what to do :( |
| 17:38.39 | stew | judd: depends eggdrop |
| 17:38.41 | judd | Package eggdrop -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), tcl8.5 (>= 8.5.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), eggdrop-data (= 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1). |
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| 17:38.55 | stew | IRani: so when you ran "aptitude install eggdrop", tcl8.5 would have already been installed |
| 17:39.05 | stew | IRani: since eggdrop declares a dependency on tcl8.5 |
| 17:39.09 | sllide | how can i add msn support to pidgin for debian? |
| 17:39.10 | IRani | but still im getting this error |
| 17:39.28 | babaji | free bsd and linux are similar or there's a big difference? |
| 17:39.30 | stew | IRani: show us the command you are running and the error you get, put them into a pastebin |
| 17:39.40 | IRani | okay |
| 17:39.41 | fbs | sllide: ? |
| 17:39.50 | fbs | sllide: msn is defaul in pidgin? |
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| 17:40.00 | sllide | fbs: the pidgin client of my debian fresh install doesnt have msn? |
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| 17:40.03 | jmd | stew, Or in GPLv3 it's in clause 4 |
| 17:40.06 | stew | jmd: it allows you to charge a fee for transferring a copy of the software, it doesn't allow you to sell the software |
| 17:40.13 | fbs | sllide: are you sure? |
| 17:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | sllide: install the version from backports. |
| 17:40.21 | Tros | I would greatly enjoy genksyms . how can I obtain it on Debian? |
| 17:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | !tell sllide about bdo |
| 17:40.45 | sllide | jhutchins_lt: backports? |
| 17:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | sllide: See messaage from dpkg. |
| 17:41.02 | jmd | Well if you want to be technical about it "selling software" is an impossiblity. |
| 17:41.03 | fbs | sllide: my fresh(squeeze) install has pidgin |
| 17:41.13 | fbs | sllide: it shoudl be in you protocol list |
| 17:41.18 | jmd | You cannot sell something which has no physical manifestation. |
| 17:41.23 | stew | yes you can |
| 17:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: It's not working in the lenny version. |
| 17:41.33 | sllide | thanks |
| 17:41.34 | dkr | Tros: I have it from linux-kbuild-2.6.32 |
| 17:41.43 | Tros | dkr: Thank you :D! |
| 17:42.00 | IRani | stew http://pastebin.com/PE08jpL7 |
| 17:42.08 | fbs | jhutchins_lt: ah i ssee |
| 17:42.42 | jmd | stew, Well, whatever. In all common uses of English its called "selling copies of the software", even if perhaps its not legally the right choice of words. |
| 17:42.50 | stew | IRani: why are you running your own copy of eggdrop instead of using eggdrop provided by debian? |
| 17:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: By default we support lenny, if squeeze or sid breaks you get to keep both pieces. |
| 17:43.19 | fbs | :P |
| 17:43.23 | IRani | stew I dont know how to use that |
| 17:43.25 | karlpinc | stew: GNU says you can sell gpled software. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney |
| 17:43.29 | arvind_khadri | jhutchins, lol :) |
| 17:43.38 | arvind_khadri | jhutchins_lt, , lol :) |
| 17:43.57 | stew | IRani: try "eggdrop windrop.conf" instead of "./eggdrop windrop.conf" |
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| 17:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | considers soup for lunch... |
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| 17:44.57 | IRani | stew http://pastebin.com/NBDq1Z1F same error |
| 17:45.05 | stew | IRani: what does "which eggdrop" return? |
| 17:46.16 | IRani | stew, I dont know :( |
| 17:47.11 | Digdilem | try it? |
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| 17:47.51 | jmd | The kernel keeps killing my named. How can I prevent that happening? |
| 17:48.04 | thewanderer1 | jmd: why does it kill it? |
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| 17:48.56 | stew | jmd: or how do you know that this is happening? |
| 17:49.02 | jmd | thewanderer1, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps it's an overcommit issue. |
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| 17:49.28 | thewanderer1 | jmd: yes, but how do you know that it's the kernel who killed it? what tells you this? |
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| 17:49.39 | jmd | syslog |
| 17:50.21 | quitte | so syslog sent you a mail "the kernel keeps killing named" ? |
| 17:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | jmd: Sorry, telepathy.com seems to be down at the moment. How about sharing a little info with us so we can help you? |
| 17:50.37 | jmd | no. But it's in the log file. |
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| 17:50.54 | stew | jmd: what exactly does the logfile say? |
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| 17:51.28 | jhutchins_lt | jmd: Things like which kernel, which release, which named, what the actual error message is would be helpful. |
| 17:51.43 | jmd | Nov 17 07:20:32 cloacina kernel: [2687556.834648] Out of memory: kill process 25321 (named) score 8852 or a child |
| 17:51.43 | jmd | Nov 17 07:20:32 cloacina kernel: [2687556.834653] Killed process 25321 (named) |
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| 17:52.23 | quitte | jmd out of memory, perhaps? |
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| 17:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | jmd: Anything unusal about your hardware (like it's a VM or something)? How much RAM do you have? |
| 17:52.44 | jhutchins_lt | jmd: What else does this server do? |
| 17:53.11 | jmd | jhutchins, Yes. It's a VM. It doesn't do much, just handles a bit of email. |
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| 17:53.46 | stew | jmd: can you put the output of "free" into a pastebin? |
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| 17:54.42 | Digdilem | jmd, ime, don't look at what process the oom-killer culls, it's the fact it's killing anything that's of concern |
| 17:54.50 | Digdilem | if it wasn't named, it would have been something else. |
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| 17:55.18 | jmd | Digdilem, But named seems to be the victim very often. |
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| 17:56.08 | Digdilem | you say the vm doesn't do much - is it the thing oom-killer views as "most disposable"? I don't know how oom-killer picks its targets though, icbw |
| 17:56.30 | karlpinc | jmd: It probably uses lots of ram and is not often active. If you want it to use less ram, tell it to cache less. |
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| 17:57.02 | Digdilem | ah, quick lowdown on how it scores for cullability; http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
| 17:57.08 | jmd | karlpinc, By "it" you mean bind? |
| 17:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | jmd: In spite of the fact that you've ignored most of my questions, the simple and obvious answer is "Allocate more RAM". |
| 17:58.53 | Digdilem | that'll do it |
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| 18:00.15 | quitte | jmd: or add more swapspace |
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| 18:01.21 | sllide | yay |
| 18:01.24 | sllide | msn support :3 |
| 18:01.48 | karlpinc | jmd: Yes. |
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| 18:05.25 | thewanderer1 | jmd: set the named process's oom score very low so that it gets killed as the last |
| 18:06.25 | quitte | hahaha. great idea. let's bet on what process will be killed instead. |
| 18:06.36 | stew | if there are really expendable processes, just kill them proactively |
| 18:07.00 | thewanderer1 | or set /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2 and never worry again |
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| 18:08.12 | siOux_ | hi |
| 18:08.23 | siOux_ | i have some rules in the iptables |
| 18:08.28 | siOux_ | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s receptor.ans.gov.br --dport 21 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.50 |
| 18:08.28 | siOux_ | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s receptor.ans.gov.br --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.50 |
| 18:08.28 | siOux_ | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s receptor.ans.gov.br --dport 20001:20020 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.50 |
| 18:08.40 | siOux_ | but i need that anyone can use this rule |
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| 18:09.35 | thewanderer1 | er, so release it under the GPL... |
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| 18:09.48 | sllide | one last thing, it seems that my graphics drivers arnt fully working |
| 18:09.54 | sllide | scrolling windows is really slow |
| 18:09.56 | stew | siOux_: what do you mean? use them how? |
| 18:10.01 | sllide | and moving them is slow too |
| 18:10.09 | stew | siOux_: and please, in the future, use a pastebin instead of pasting to the channel |
| 18:10.11 | sllide | i know i installed ati catalyst |
| 18:10.15 | sllide | becouse i got the icons |
| 18:10.21 | sllide | but it doesnt start |
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| 18:12.11 | quitte | sllide: what is this catalyst you are talking about and where did you get it from? |
| 18:12.27 | siOux_ | stew ok |
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| 18:14.31 | sllide | quitte, ATI catalyst display manager |
| 18:14.42 | sllide | quitte, i got them from the ATI website itself |
| 18:14.57 | fahad | hi fglrx-modules-dkms does not install on squeeze box |
| 18:15.08 | fahad | can anyone help? |
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| 18:15.50 | siOux_ | stew when i use those rules, my program works |
| 18:16.24 | siOux_ | but this rule works just in one host |
| 18:16.31 | sllide | how can i check what drivers are installed? |
| 18:16.45 | quitte | sllide: i just went there. all i see are windows drivers |
| 18:16.53 | sllide | odd |
| 18:16.55 | sllide | lemme find it |
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| 18:17.05 | fahad | the error I get is "error: implicit declaration of function âcompat_alloc_user_spaceâ" |
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| 18:17.20 | siOux_ | and i need that anyone in my lan use this program |
| 18:17.33 | thewanderer1 | fahad: do you have fglrx-modules-dkms from squeeze as well? |
| 18:17.39 | quitte | sllide: also it's probably a better idea to use packages debian provides |
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| 18:17.45 | sllide | oh quitte sorry, http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/2123446/ati-radeon-hd-5570-driver-10.5-linux-x86-x64-free-download.html |
| 18:17.52 | stew | siOux_: you mean you want hosts other than 192.168.0.50 to work? |
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| 18:18.11 | sllide | well, i first downloaded the drivers from the package program, but catalyst said that it didnt have drivers, so i searched for them on google |
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| 18:18.37 | quitte | sllide: so you went to a random site downloaded an executable and ran it as root? |
| 18:18.44 | sllide | ye :) |
| 18:18.55 | thewanderer1 | you can as well play the kmem roulette... |
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| 18:19.02 | sllide | lol |
| 18:19.03 | thewanderer1 | the results will be more satisfactory though |
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| 18:19.08 | fahad | thewanderer1: I'd guess so. I'm just using aptitude to install it |
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| 18:19.43 | thewanderer1 | fahad: and your system is squeeze with no lenny and no sid parts? |
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| 18:20.07 | fahad | thewanderer1: yes. It was a fresh install |
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| 18:20.27 | thewanderer1 | alright, so drop this stupid dkms stuff (uninstall the package), get module-assistant and try with it |
| 18:20.51 | thewanderer1 | (I mean, remove just the fglrx-modules-dkms) |
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| 18:21.28 | quitte | sllide: next time please ask for help with your specific problem. llok for documentation instead of scripted solutions or even worse binaries. |
| 18:21.35 | sllide | hah |
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| 18:21.56 | sllide | sure, so, how do i fix my driver thing? |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | quitte: it's fglrx .. it *is* binary |
| 18:22.07 | quitte | sllide: what you were looking for if the free drivers aren't to your taste are the fglrx drivers. those are in debian |
| 18:22.22 | quitte | abrotman: so that site is save? |
| 18:22.37 | sllide | well, iirc i tried those fglrx drivers in aptidude |
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| 18:23.00 | thewanderer1 | anything called "open*" and having ".com" in its name is supposed to be suspicious :) |
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| 18:23.44 | quitte | thewanderer1: not to mention the start free scan ad |
| 18:23.45 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That's ridiculous. |
| 18:24.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ever hear of redhat.com? |
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| 18:24.29 | valdyn | openssh.com |
| 18:24.36 | jhutchins_lt | ibm.com |
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| 18:24.57 | J_P | hi all |
| 18:25.10 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: come on, they're ! ~= open.* |
| 18:25.20 | fahad | thewanderer1: m-a complains about not finding fglrx-kernel-source |
| 18:25.31 | quitte | from the about page: Opendrivers.com is one of the most famousest driver download service provider |
| 18:25.37 | J_P | I have problem using this: smbmount //192.168.0.1/ti /home/pc/net -o username=test,password=test => mount error(1): Operation not permitted. Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) |
| 18:25.44 | fahad | thewanderer1: fglrx-kernel-source isn't fglrx-source is it? |
| 18:25.44 | thewanderer1 | fahad: how were you trying to call it? |
| 18:25.45 | J_P | with super user works |
| 18:26.03 | fahad | thewanderer1: sudo module-assistant |
| 18:26.15 | thewanderer1 | fahad: and choosing packages in the menu? |
| 18:26.18 | valdyn | I would say that *driver* sites are usually evil |
| 18:26.36 | fahad | thewanderer1: fglrx and fglrx-kernel |
| 18:26.40 | thewanderer1 | fglrx-source it is |
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| 18:26.49 | Baba-B00ie | hello |
| 18:26.55 | fahad | thewanderer1: wait I'm not supposed to select fglrx-kernel? |
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| 18:27.07 | thewanderer1 | I think you are |
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| 18:27.37 | thewanderer1 | but if it doesn't work, just install the source and then call `m-a a-i fglrx` |
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| 18:29.17 | Spec | Is ReiserFS4 recommended for production servers over ReiserFS3 these days? Or am I going to be yelled at to use ext3? :p |
| 18:29.17 | bolt | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 18:29.17 | dpkg | from memory, ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
| 18:29.20 | bolt | outdated factoid |
| 18:29.24 | bolt | dead link |
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| 18:29.45 | thewanderer1 | Spec: you guessed it right... :P |
| 18:29.53 | J_P | anyone? |
| 18:30.16 | thewanderer1 | J_P: yes, do what it says and rtfm |
| 18:30.47 | fahad | thewanderer1: same error |
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| 18:31.02 | thewanderer1 | fahad: which was what? and what kernel do you have there? |
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| 18:31.29 | J_P | thewanderer1: I read that man and not found the solution.. |
| 18:31.37 | fahad | the error I get is "error: implicit declaration of function âcompat_alloc_user_spaceâ" |
| 18:31.45 | valdyn | Spec: you should use almost anything but reiserfs |
| 18:31.53 | amee2k | where do i blacklist kernel modules properly? |
| 18:31.54 | thewanderer1 | alright fahad, what kernel have you got? |
| 18:31.58 | Tros | Where can I find old versions? In particular, genksyms. |
| 18:31.58 | fahad | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:32.05 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 18:32.09 | Spec | valdyn: Why? ReiserFS4 supposedly has fixed the tree-rebuild-corruption-issues |
| 18:32.19 | thewanderer1 | fahad: and you do have the headers installed, right? |
| 18:32.21 | Spec | I've used reiser for six years on hundreds of servers and have suffered no data loss :( |
| 18:32.24 | fahad | thewanderer1: yes |
| 18:32.30 | amee2k | hmmm i only have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and that seems to get overwritten by updates |
| 18:32.39 | fahad | thewanderer1: this releated? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9870037 |
| 18:32.42 | thewanderer1 | fahad: then check bugs.debian.org for possible bugs in fglrx |
| 18:32.48 | valdyn | Spec: reiser3 is slow and pretty much obsolete compared to modern fs |
| 18:33.00 | quitte | Spec: i miss reiser. but no distibution i know of has real support for it. |
| 18:33.05 | valdyn | Spec: reiser4 is not really well maintained |
| 18:33.07 | quitte | the fs. the fs! |
| 18:33.08 | thewanderer1 | fahad: I recommend getting the driver package from sid |
| 18:33.28 | Spec | valdyn: they don't let reiser code in jail? :( |
| 18:33.31 | thewanderer1 | worked for me with NVIDIA, at least |
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| 18:33.42 | valdyn | Spec: he didnt code reiser4 ? |
| 18:33.48 | Spec | sorry, bad taste |
| 18:33.55 | valdyn | Spec: so why would he start doing it in jail? |
| 18:34.03 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: there's no way it gets overwritten - it's a conf file |
| 18:34.05 | Spec | So what are the recommended/supported filesystems for debian? Just ext3? Or is XFS supported as well? |
| 18:34.13 | quitte | no. valid question. why don't they let him code in jail. or doesn't he want to? |
| 18:34.20 | Spec | or is ext4 good now? |
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| 18:34.30 | thewanderer1 | Spec: ext4 is good on 2.6.32 in Debian |
| 18:34.32 | valdyn | Spec: ext3/4 and xfs are all easier to recommend than reiserXY |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | Spec: ext3 is fine for most cases .. |
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| 18:34.47 | abrotman | Spec: do you have some special use case we might want to consider? |
| 18:34.55 | Spec | no, most of our applications run off NFS |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | (other than not losing data) |
| 18:35.02 | Spec | so...it's really just for debian |
| 18:35.11 | valdyn | Spec: or if you dont really need huge performance on large files you can probably just use ext3 |
| 18:35.31 | Spec | I don't really need huge performance on large files, as those would be sitting on NFS. |
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| 18:35.31 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's in lenny too |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not really |
| 18:35.46 | thewanderer1 | ext3 is, ext4 is not |
| 18:36.04 | Spec | So, thinking in terms of the future....will there be adequate support for ext3 for the next five years? Is there a reason not to upgrade to ext4 (other than it is needless at this point) |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | thewanderer1: lenny technically has ext4, but it's ext4_dev .. not recommended (and there is the bpo kenrel too) |
| 18:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | !ext4 |
| 18:36.05 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available since 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:36.18 | amee2k | thewanderer1: i modified it before installing some pending upgrades, and one of them prompted me to overwrite it |
| 18:36.30 | abrotman | Spec: is there still support for ext2 today? |
| 18:36.37 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: well, it did prompt you, that's the point of conf files |
| 18:36.48 | Spec | abrotman: yes :p |
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| 18:36.58 | valdyn | Spec: ext4 is ok, its well supported and its going to be around for a while, but its not as well tested as ext3, for obvious reasons |
| 18:37.07 | Spec | right. years of use lackin' |
| 18:37.11 | amee2k | it only prompted me to either replace or ignore it |
| 18:37.18 | thewanderer1 | I don't know if there will be "adequate support" but I'm sure the kernel will not just "drop it" |
| 18:37.28 | amee2k | which is kinda useless because then i either have to add my own stuff over and over |
| 18:37.35 | amee2k | or i don't get the new entries from the update |
| 18:37.43 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: well, that's how dpkg handles it |
| 18:37.45 | amee2k | so i was wondering if there is a proper place to add my own rules |
| 18:37.54 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: it's the blacklist file, really |
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| 18:38.06 | arvind_khadri | amee2k, on an update you can keep old conf files |
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| 18:38.28 | amee2k | hmmm wtf. its not booting anymore |
| 18:38.35 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: for updates you have this "d" keypress which shows you the diff |
| 18:38.54 | amee2k | when it says "begin: waiting for root file system", what exactly does it do? |
| 18:38.57 | thewanderer1 | you did not blacklist ext3, did you... |
| 18:39.04 | amee2k | no |
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| 18:39.21 | amee2k | fan, thermal and floppy, because these three are not present but get loaded anyway |
| 18:39.23 | valdyn | amee2k: waiting for the mount |
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| 18:40.24 | doxy2 | hi |
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| 18:40.34 | thewanderer1 | lemme see the initramfs content |
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| 18:40.42 | doxy2 | how come i don't have a dhcp boot script after i have installed dhcp3-server |
| 18:40.44 | amee2k | can't be a modprobe issue. it didn't even mount the root file system yet |
| 18:41.00 | valdyn | amee2k: thats not logical |
| 18:41.03 | doxy2 | apt does say it's "transitional" anything to do with that. oh and this is in lenny |
| 18:41.03 | apt | doxy2: that's too long |
| 18:41.05 | amee2k | there are no /dev/hd? nodes |
| 18:41.13 | doxy2 | apt? |
| 18:41.18 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: then it's probably udev's fault |
| 18:41.36 | valdyn | amee2k: modules get loaded before the root fs is mounted |
| 18:41.37 | amee2k | valdyn: the modprobe blacklist is on the root file system. that isn't mounted yet. hench no blacklisting issue |
| 18:41.38 | stew | doxy2: the bot named "apt" thought you were addressing it, but didn't understant what you were saying |
| 18:41.42 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: what it does is run a Bash loop while [ ! -e $ROOT ] where ROOT is your Linux root= param |
| 18:41.45 | valdyn | amee2k: youre wrong |
| 18:41.58 | quitte | amee2k: with recentish kernels ide devices are sdX, too |
| 18:42.00 | amee2k | in what way |
| 18:42.03 | valdyn | amee2k: modules are *also* in the initial ram disk |
| 18:42.05 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: the blacklist ends up in initramfs when the initramfs is updated |
| 18:42.09 | doxy2 | stew: :D ha, i didn't know |
| 18:42.20 | valdyn | amee2k: unless you use a custom kernel with no initrd |
| 18:42.25 | amee2k | ummm i need to update the initramfs after changing it? |
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| 18:42.35 | valdyn | amee2k: after changing what? |
| 18:42.36 | thewanderer1 | well, if you don't, the blacklist won't be updated |
| 18:42.40 | stew | amee2k: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:42.42 | amee2k | modprobe blacklist |
| 18:42.51 | valdyn | amee2k: yea, you do |
| 18:42.55 | amee2k | hehe |
| 18:43.01 | amee2k | that its not using the new blacklist anyway |
| 18:43.06 | amee2k | because i didn't |
| 18:43.08 | thewanderer1 | if you've updated the kernel/udev then your /dev/hda is now gone for the sake of /dev/sda anyway |
| 18:43.22 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: It pretty much has to load the modules to know whether the hardware interface is there. |
| 18:43.24 | valdyn | amee2k: if the module is included in the initrd, then you need to update the initramfs |
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| 18:43.50 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: uh? |
| 18:44.03 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: when its isa hw maybe |
| 18:44.05 | amee2k | jhutchins_lt: in these cases *i* know they're not there |
| 18:44.08 | eshat | Hi all |
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| 18:44.30 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: Right, so you can blacklist 'em. |
| 18:44.59 | amee2k | which i didn't because i didn't know i had to update the initramfs for it to be effective |
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| 18:45.12 | amee2k | it still doesn't detect the hard drive anymore >:| |
| 18:45.35 | amee2k | annoying box is still annoying |
| 18:45.46 | eshat | I've got the source of a package ( 3 files: .src .dsc and diff.gz) how to I automatically create the "debian" source |
| 18:45.55 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: drop to a busybox shell and see what devices you actually have |
| 18:46.05 | stew | eshat: you mean the debian.tar.gz? |
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| 18:46.11 | sllide | quitte, afk? :p |
| 18:46.14 | valdyn | amee2k: i dont know what you did, but neither your error nor what you said imply that the hw is not detected |
| 18:46.34 | eshat | stew: no it is the source of a package (packagename.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:46.36 | quitte | sllide: no. |
| 18:46.48 | quitte | sllide: did you find a way to remove the thing you installed? |
| 18:46.53 | amee2k | thewanderer1: gimme a sec. i just reseated the hard drive connector and rebooted |
| 18:46.57 | sllide | nope, i was asking you.. |
| 18:46.58 | amee2k | but its still hanging there |
| 18:47.04 | stew | eshat: what do you mean by the "debian" source than? |
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| 18:47.26 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: alright, tried booting from sda? |
| 18:47.30 | thewanderer1 | (instead of hda) |
| 18:47.35 | valdyn | amee2k: the second possibilty is that the disk is no longer hd* but sd* |
| 18:47.36 | eshat | stew: I mean applying the debian patches ( that what apt-get source does) |
| 18:47.41 | thewanderer1 | and what have you done to the kernel, exactly? :P |
| 18:47.43 | amee2k | funny thing is it booted several times before |
| 18:47.51 | stew | eshat: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
| 18:47.58 | eshat | stew: Thank You |
| 18:48.07 | stew | eshat: wait, what do you mean by .src? |
| 18:48.15 | amee2k | but why should the node name spontaneously change? i didn't upgrade the kernel |
| 18:48.17 | stew | eshat: is that an .orig.tar.gz? |
| 18:48.23 | eshat | yes |
| 18:48.32 | amee2k | so, got the shell. i've got no hd? and sd? nodes |
| 18:48.43 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: so what have you got? |
| 18:48.45 | eshat | plus the diff.gz and .dsc |
| 18:49.00 | eshat | I want to unpack and apply the patches in .diff.gz |
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| 18:49.19 | quitte | sllide: i have no idea what that thing you executed does - even if it were legitimate. i could have helped you setting up debians fglrx drivers. |
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| 18:49.41 | amee2k | char block console fd0 full input kmem kmsg mem null port psaux ptmx random snapshot pty?? ram?? tty tty?? urandom vcs vcs? zero |
| 18:50.24 | quitte | sllide: but looking at what dpkg (the bot) has to say about fglrx you'd probably want free drivers anyways |
| 18:50.25 | eshat | stew: dpkg-soruce -x is correct, thanks |
| 18:50.29 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: alright, you have no modules there |
| 18:50.32 | sllide | lol |
| 18:50.33 | eshat | *dpkg-source |
| 18:50.47 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: you should probably rebuild the initrd... |
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| 18:50.55 | sllide | well quitte is it to late to install fglrx drivers? |
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| 18:51.30 | sllide | quitte, i got the feeling it is legit tho, becouse before i installed it i was unable to set up dual screen |
| 18:51.32 | sllide | now i can |
| 18:51.36 | sllide | well, it does by default now |
| 18:51.49 | quitte | sllide: what kind of radeon card is that? |
| 18:51.57 | quitte | sllide: also what version of debian? |
| 18:51.59 | sllide | ati radeon hd 5570 |
| 18:51.59 | amee2k | ooh |
| 18:52.02 | sllide | lenny |
| 18:52.34 | amee2k | thewanderer1: if i insert ide-generic and ide-disk manually it works and i get the device nodes i need |
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| 18:53.44 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: then I recommend rebuilding the initramfs but first checking if your blacklist is really well-formed |
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| 18:54.15 | amee2k | thewanderer1: the blacklist in etc/modprobe.d of the initrd is the one thats used during boot, right? |
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| 18:54.37 | amee2k | just checked it. it doesn't include my own changes yet |
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| 18:54.56 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 18:55.18 | amee2k | it doesn't include the ide-* modules above either |
| 18:55.37 | thewanderer1 | I'd somehow suspect udev or the scripts themselves |
| 18:55.38 | amee2k | now that i have the device nodes, how do i resume the boot process? |
| 18:55.48 | quitte | sllide: sorry can't really help you. try #ati |
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| 18:55.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm... that's a good question :D |
| 18:55.57 | amee2k | lol |
| 18:56.00 | Projectns | helloooooo |
| 18:56.02 | Projectns | people |
| 18:56.06 | Projectns | i have some questions |
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| 18:56.08 | thewanderer1 | how did you get into the shell? |
| 18:56.25 | amee2k | wait until the "waiting for root file system" timed out, just like you said before |
| 18:56.44 | sllide | quitte, kay :) thanks anyway |
| 18:56.45 | amee2k | then it dropped me into a shell with "(initramfs)" prompt |
| 18:56.46 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: ok... I don't know if ctrl+d would help here |
| 18:56.57 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's gonna give you "not syncing" kernel panic :D |
| 18:57.12 | amee2k | mmm it sdoing something |
| 18:57.26 | amee2k | yep, its booting |
| 18:57.33 | quitte | sllide: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx here you can actually get the driver from the vendor |
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| 18:57.37 | sushiyant | can anybody help me about this problem http://pastebin.ca/1994839 |
| 18:57.38 | quitte | err manufacturer |
| 18:57.45 | Projectns | can me aynone say whats the name of the german debian channel is |
| 18:57.50 | J_P | thewanderer1: I'm using now cifs in fstab, but when I try mount /mountpoint show message: Only root has permission to mount. :-( |
| 18:58.07 | sllide | quitte, cool :) |
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| 18:58.20 | Projectns | german debian server? |
| 18:58.25 | Projectns | channel |
| 18:58.45 | thewanderer1 | J_P: yes, have you given it 'user' attribute? |
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| 18:58.58 | siOux_ | stew yes, this host 192.168.0.50 and others |
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| 18:59.31 | amee2k | great. now its freezing at "starting kernel log daemon" |
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| 18:59.48 | bolt | !de |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:59.54 | bolt | Projectns: --^ |
| 19:00.14 | Projectns | danke ^^ |
| 19:00.22 | Projectns | #debian.de |
| 19:00.27 | Projectns | fwtrf |
| 19:00.39 | J_P | thewanderer1: yes... |
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| 19:01.29 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: ctrl+c :P |
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| 19:02.00 | amee2k | no reaction :/ |
| 19:02.26 | amee2k | its still echoing other keystrokes so it didn't freeze entirely |
| 19:02.29 | thewanderer1 | J_P: are you mounting in a mountpoint that your user owns? |
| 19:02.42 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: this is utterly strange |
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| 19:02.53 | amee2k | ooh |
| 19:03.11 | amee2k | now it pooped a couple red "FAILED!" lines at me and dropped me at the login prompt |
| 19:03.22 | thewanderer1 | login prompt is better than nothing |
| 19:03.26 | thewanderer1 | well... |
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| 19:03.41 | amee2k | yeah |
| 19:03.54 | slidesinger | ssh question: Can I have two different connections in a single ssh session? (Maybe not quite the right question.) |
| 19:03.55 | thewanderer1 | I guess you now have a ro-mounted fs. let's find out how good I am at clairvoyance |
| 19:04.18 | J_P | thewanderer1: in fstab: //192.168.0.1/ti /home/cic/net cifs username=test,password=test 0 0 |
| 19:04.20 | amee2k | actually / is rw now |
| 19:04.44 | amee2k | so... rebuilding the initrd is update-initramfs, right? |
| 19:04.44 | jhutchins_lt | slidesinger: How about backing up a layer and asking about what you're really trying to do instead of the specific method? |
| 19:04.52 | amee2k | -d then -c, or just -u? |
| 19:05.12 | J_P | thewanderer1: and in bash just this: $ mount /home/cic/net |
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| 19:05.30 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 19:05.34 | J_P | thewanderer1: and as root works |
| 19:05.44 | thewanderer1 | J_P: are you doing this as user 'cic' and is /home/cic/net owned by cic? |
| 19:06.03 | slidesinger | Trying to have two different folks from two different locations be looking at the same command prompt, seeing the same commands, etc. |
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| 19:06.20 | thewanderer1 | slidesinger: I would think screen is the right tool for the job |
| 19:06.22 | stew | slidesinger: use screen? |
| 19:06.43 | J_P | thewanderer1: yes, user cic create dir net |
| 19:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | slidesinger: Yeah, that or use VNC or rdesktop and a GUI. |
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| 19:07.15 | J_P | thewanderer1: $ mkdir net $ mount /home/cic/net |
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| 19:07.57 | thewanderer1 | J_P: alright, then you need to make mount.cifs suid root |
| 19:08.07 | slidesinger | Screen is the tool that I want. Thanks. |
| 19:08.22 | J_P | thewanderer1: how I do that? |
| 19:08.37 | thewanderer1 | chmod +x $(which mount.cifs) #as root |
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| 19:10.26 | J_P | thewanderer1: already with +x: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30424 2010-09-09 15:36 /sbin/mount.cifs |
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| 19:10.57 | valdyn | J_P: why is your mount(.cifs) not -rwsr-xr-x ? |
| 19:11.44 | J_P | valdyn: I don't know.. I just install 10.4.. |
| 19:11.57 | valdyn | J_P: so youre in the wrong channel |
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| 19:12.23 | J_P | sorry.. is 5 |
| 19:12.27 | J_P | 10.4 is my desktop |
| 19:12.36 | stew | J_P: 10.4 meaning lucid lynx? |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | J_P: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 19:12.40 | J_P | I'm try mount from server1 to server2 |
| 19:13.03 | amee2k | thewanderer1: okay, it has rebuilt it |
| 19:13.30 | yang | J_P: you should probably be in #ubuntu ? |
| 19:13.33 | valdyn | thewanderer1: that does not make it suid, that makes it executable, but it already is executable |
| 19:13.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, my typo |
| 19:13.53 | thewanderer1 | chmod +s of course |
| 19:14.07 | valdyn | I wonder if thats advisable on ubuntu |
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| 19:14.24 | thewanderer1 | ubuntu forums advise so... |
| 19:14.32 | valdyn | on debian mount.cifs is +s, mount.smbfs is not |
| 19:15.36 | amee2k | thewanderer1: i also checked the blacklist file for typos, but it looks fine |
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| 19:15.50 | amee2k | i'm blacklisting fan, thermal, floppy, ipv6 and gameport now |
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| 19:16.01 | J_P | yang: no.. I mean my desktop is Ubuntu.. problem is about server1 to mount in server2, where servers are debian |
| 19:16.04 | valdyn | thewanderer1: it might not make more than a syntactical different since mount is +s anyway |
| 19:16.21 | J_P | I will to try rebooting server... |
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| 19:16.42 | yoshio | J_P: mount.cifs mount page, under NOTES, says This command may be used only by root, unless installed setuid, in which case the noeexec and nosuid mount flags are enabled. When installed as a setuid program, the program follows the conventions set forth by the mount program for user mounts. |
| 19:17.14 | valdyn | yoshio: question is if thats the same on ubuntu |
| 19:17.25 | valdyn | yoshio: ...which is not the scope of this channel |
| 19:17.43 | stew | it seems that perhaps ubuntu has nothing to do with this |
| 19:18.12 | amee2k | does the initrd honor /etc/modules ? |
| 19:18.26 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: yeah |
| 19:18.45 | amee2k | then imma try put the ide-* modules in there |
| 19:18.48 | J_P | yoshio: well, so is not a debian problem that not +s? |
| 19:18.54 | amee2k | for some reason its not loading the ide drivers |
| 19:19.40 | thewanderer1 | I think the kernel thinks your disks are sata |
| 19:19.43 | thewanderer1 | or udev? |
| 19:19.58 | amee2k | lol |
| 19:20.06 | amee2k | there isn't even a sata controller in the system |
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| 19:20.12 | valdyn | J_P: i cant tell if its not -s in lenny |
| 19:20.12 | amee2k | let along disks |
| 19:20.41 | valdyn | J_P: so might aswell be that its not +s in lenny, but that would not really change the behaviour of the mount command that you are using |
| 19:20.53 | amee2k | alone* even |
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| 19:21.55 | J_P | valdyn: in debian 4 I don't have this problem... but not using cifs.. |
| 19:22.19 | valdyn | J_P: i dont know what you exactly are trying to do |
| 19:22.45 | J_P | valdyn: just mount a remote smbfs point |
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| 19:23.03 | valdyn | J_P: well, users cannot just mount something |
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| 19:23.16 | valdyn | J_P: thats intended, thats a basic security device |
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| 19:23.45 | stew | J_P: can you show us the entry from fstab? what is the error you get when mounting? |
| 19:23.49 | J_P | valdyn: but if I mount as root, I will not have problems in mount point.. ? I'm passing args username and pass |
| 19:24.22 | valdyn | J_P: root can mount anything, users can only mount things that are set up before in specific ways |
| 19:24.27 | J_P | stew: in fstab: //192.168.0.1/ti /home/cic/net cifs username=test,password=test 0 0 |
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| 19:24.41 | J_P | stew: error is just have not permission. with root works |
| 19:24.41 | valdyn | J_P: a user cannot mount that |
| 19:24.46 | J_P | ok |
| 19:24.57 | valdyn | J_P: that is why theres the "user" option for fstab |
| 19:25.41 | J_P | valdyn: yes. just to confirm.. because I remember that a time I just mount as root and normal user can't access that mountpoint |
| 19:26.03 | valdyn | J_P: thats a seperate issue, also solvable, do one thing at a time |
| 19:26.32 | valdyn | J_P: if you think that *who* mounts something affects who can access it, then youre wrong |
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| 19:26.54 | J_P | valdyn: ok |
| 19:28.01 | amee2k | valdyn: well, with fuse i does ;) |
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| 19:28.43 | amee2k | unless you use some obscure mount option |
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| 19:28.54 | valdyn | J_P: add the user option, read about it, read about the umask option too |
| 19:29.06 | J_P | valdyn: I think that I need mount with args of something gid/etc |
| 19:29.13 | J_P | valdyn: ahh yes.. that's it |
| 19:29.36 | valdyn | J_P: thats right, gid can be used for this purpose too |
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| 19:30.19 | valdyn | J_P: or gid is used to set accessability, but not to set who can mount |
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| 19:31.12 | amee2k | thewanderer1: i added the modules to /etc/modules and updated the initrd but its still not loading them properly. |
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| 19:31.18 | J_P | valdyn: ok, I will to try this options.. |
| 19:31.41 | valdyn | !umask |
| 19:31.41 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage) |
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| 19:32.18 | valdyn | ok, that doesnt fit exactly, but the first part does |
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| 19:34.39 | Connor1 | Hi |
| 19:34.53 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:35.19 | Connor1 | I've checked google, and it hasn't helped me much. I need some help mounting my external hard drives, and getting my fstab set up so they auto mount. Think someone could help me out? |
| 19:35.57 | valdyn | !pmount |
| 19:35.57 | dpkg | i guess pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1 (no superuser requirement, no need to create a mount point). You will need to be in the plugdev group, but you'll know that from reading /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian. Lenny users with a <bdo> kernel, see Debian bugs #528404 and #546365. |
| 19:36.00 | deepy | mount -t auto /dev/ /dev/ |
| 19:36.11 | deepy | substitute the paths as suitable |
| 19:36.30 | Connor1 | deepy mount -t auto /dev/sdd1 |
| 19:36.32 | Connor1 | That it? |
| 19:36.37 | valdyn | Connor1: what dpkg said, or theres various solutions for this that are better than hand editing fstab |
| 19:36.38 | jordanm | -t auto is implied |
| 19:36.39 | Connor1 | Or can I do multiple drives with one command? |
| 19:36.52 | deepy | pmount is a much better solution realy |
| 19:37.00 | valdyn | !ivman |
| 19:37.00 | dpkg | i heard ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when devices are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net/ |
| 19:37.16 | valdyn | Connor1: or just use hotplug automagic ^^ |
| 19:37.22 | thewanderer1 | ivman uses HAL, HAL is gonna be deprecated really short => don't use it |
| 19:37.25 | deepy | Connor1: you need two paths, one being a device an the other being the target |
| 19:37.31 | valdyn | thewanderer1: geez |
| 19:37.39 | Connor1 | deepy such as /mnt/sup ? |
| 19:37.48 | thewanderer1 | no, I really like ivman but seeing how HAL is dying I'd be reluctant to recommend it any more |
| 19:37.54 | valdyn | thewanderer1: so in 3 years when squeeze+1 comes out? |
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| 19:38.45 | cryptr | what's going to replace HAL then? |
| 19:38.54 | thewanderer1 | pmount is a good solution but you need to specify drive paths if the drives to be mounted are not pendrives but disks |
| 19:39.00 | thewanderer1 | cryptr: udisks |
| 19:39.09 | valdyn | or the bigger question is probably if the new thing will even break the interface |
| 19:39.14 | Connor1 | I'll try otu pmount |
| 19:39.20 | Connor1 | Out* |
| 19:39.34 | thewanderer1 | well, I've dropped HAL as it had bugs and it's mostly fine now |
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| 19:41.01 | Connor1 | Ricks937> sudo mount /dev/sde1 /media/bork |
| 19:41.03 | Connor1 | <* |
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| 19:41.11 | valdyn | Connor1: both work fine, they just do different things |
| 19:41.13 | Connor1 | I did this but the drives aren't appearing in my list of devices. |
| 19:41.17 | Connor1 | Both of them. |
| 19:41.21 | valdyn | Connor1: whatever functionality you want... |
| 19:41.27 | Connor1 | I want the drives to mount... |
| 19:41.45 | valdyn | Connor1: automatically or not? |
| 19:41.49 | Connor1 | Automatically would be neat. |
| 19:41.59 | valdyn | Connor1: then pmount is not it |
| 19:42.03 | thewanderer1 | you can force udev to do it |
| 19:42.20 | Connor1 | Last time I used Debian(two years ago) I had this extremely long command to mount my drives, and they would mount and appear under devices. My current problem is, they aren't appearing under devices |
| 19:42.25 | thewanderer1 | write a rule to perform EXEC=/bin/path/to/your/script |
| 19:42.48 | valdyn | Connor1: in gnome? |
| 19:42.51 | Connor1 | Yes. |
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| 19:43.03 | valdyn | Connor1: is gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 19:43.04 | thewanderer1 | with udev you will probably need 'sleep 5' in the script as the device usu needs to settle |
| 19:43.10 | Connor1 | okay okay okay |
| 19:43.13 | Connor1 | THe drive is mounted. |
| 19:43.14 | Connor1 | The* |
| 19:43.23 | Connor1 | But it's not appearing under my list of devices so I can explore it |
| 19:43.37 | Connor1 | Also yes valdyn |
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| 19:44.03 | valdyn | Connor1: you should be able to browse it via its path |
| 19:44.15 | Connor1 | ER |
| 19:44.15 | valdyn | Connor1: /media/whatever ? |
| 19:44.17 | Connor1 | Er* |
| 19:44.26 | Connor1 | valdyn I can browse it with a terminal, but not with nautilus |
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| 19:44.42 | valdyn | Connor1: why canot you browse to the path in nautilus? |
| 19:45.02 | Connor1 | Because the drive isn't showing, this is what I have been trying to say this whole time. |
| 19:45.13 | cv | i'm trying to follow http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html section 4.2, but my system don't have access to network, so i downloaded the sources from http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/linux-2.6 and transfered them to my system using a pendrive. What's the diff beetween "apt-get source" and the one i got? "fakeroot debian/rules source" tells me "debian/rules: No such file or directory" ( |
| 19:45.14 | cv | of course) |
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| 19:45.15 | valdyn | Connor1: i know that its not showing in the device list |
| 19:45.29 | valdyn | Connor1: but you can still go to /media or wherever its mounted in nautilus |
| 19:45.47 | Connor1 | OH |
| 19:45.48 | Connor1 | Oh* |
| 19:45.49 | valdyn | Connor1: and unfortunately i have no idea what makes it show in the devices list |
| 19:45.52 | Connor1 | I see, it's crude, but it works |
| 19:46.10 | valdyn | Connor1: is that thing listed in your fstab? |
| 19:46.22 | Connor1 | No |
| 19:46.33 | jordanm | cv: its the same as what you linked |
| 19:46.41 | valdyn | Connor1: thats one thing that could prevent it from showing in the devices list |
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| 19:46.46 | jordanm | cv: but you need all 3 files from dpkg-source to unpack it |
| 19:46.54 | jordanm | s/from/for/ |
| 19:47.10 | jordanm | cv: dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-27.dsc |
| 19:47.14 | somiaj | cv: apt-get source, downloads the upstreams ource and then applys all the debian patches to it. You just may have the upstream source -- you should look into 'make-kpkg' from 'kernel-package' or compling kernels the 'debian way' |
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| 19:48.14 | cv | jordanm: got all of them, how do i apply those patches? (i was expecting that) |
| 19:48.31 | jordanm | cv: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc |
| 19:48.41 | cv | jordanm: thanks |
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| 19:49.07 | amee2k | debugging this from inside the initrd backup shell is annoying |
| 19:49.26 | amee2k | which script is responsible for loading the ide modules? |
| 19:49.30 | cv | jordanm: when dpkg-source, the .orig.tar.gz should not be extracted, right? |
| 19:49.49 | valdyn | amee2k: same as any other module |
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| 19:49.54 | jordanm | cv: it extracts the .orig.tar.gz then applies .changes or .debian to that |
| 19:50.04 | amee2k | i can't find out any of them >_> |
| 19:50.21 | jordanm | amee2k: its not a script, the kernel bootstrap handles that |
| 19:50.24 | km | anyone know of any remote desktop that i can use on xp to display linux x gui |
| 19:50.30 | valdyn | jordanm: geez |
| 19:50.34 | valdyn | jordanm: it *is* a script |
| 19:50.39 | Connor1 | valdyn yet another problem... |
| 19:50.43 | cv | jordanm: ok, thanks |
| 19:50.49 | jordanm | valdyn: it occurs before there the root filesystem is mounted |
| 19:50.52 | Connor1 | I mounted my other drive with sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /media/bork1 , but it's not showing with the terminal or under /media |
| 19:50.54 | valdyn | jordanm: so? |
| 19:51.22 | jordanm | valdyn: so.. the initrd contains a bash interpreter and script? |
| 19:51.27 | amee2k | also, do i have an editor or something that allows more advanced file viewing than cat? |
| 19:51.36 | valdyn | jordanm: yea, though its probably not bash |
| 19:51.46 | valdyn | jordanm: more likely its busybox |
| 19:51.55 | amee2k | yeah, its busybox |
| 19:52.48 | Connor1 | bash: unmount: command not found |
| 19:52.49 | Connor1 | ...what |
| 19:52.52 | valdyn | amee2k: can you load the module manually from the busybox shell? |
| 19:53.05 | amee2k | yeah |
| 19:53.27 | valdyn | amee2k: does that activate the harddisks? |
| 19:53.27 | amee2k | "modprobe ide-generic" does the trick. i can continue booting then |
| 19:53.30 | Connor1 | Oh it's umount |
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| 19:53.43 | valdyn | amee2k: is that in /etc/modules? |
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| 19:53.50 | amee2k | yeah |
| 19:54.09 | amee2k | but i can't find /etc/modules on the initrd so its not using that one |
| 19:54.18 | valdyn | amee2k: hold |
| 19:54.27 | amee2k | funny thing is, it worked several times until it broke in some very obscure way |
| 19:54.29 | jordanm | amee2k: are you getting a kernel panic for a failure to mount root? |
| 19:54.58 | amee2k | while i was blacklisting some modules with no hardware present |
| 19:55.08 | valdyn | amee2k: is it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 19:55.13 | amee2k | jordanm: it times out during "waiting for root file system", then drops me to a shell |
| 19:55.28 | jordanm | amee2k: remove quiet from your boot options |
| 19:55.42 | amee2k | i'm not using quiet |
| 19:55.55 | sllide | hmm, the current flash player on debian doesnt play quite well... |
| 19:55.58 | sllide | how can i replace it? |
| 19:56.02 | amee2k | valdyn: is that on the root file system? |
| 19:56.09 | valdyn | amee2k: yes |
| 19:56.22 | amee2k | oh, let me continue booting then |
| 19:56.23 | valdyn | amee2k: and it should be on the initrd, somewhere |
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| 19:57.15 | valdyn | amee2k: ide-generic really means you should find a probably newer kernel or fix your bios settings so you get proper hw support though ( but you can do that later, naturally ) |
| 19:57.21 | sllide | !tell sllide flash |
| 19:57.32 | sllide | that didnt work xD |
| 19:57.42 | jordanm | sllide: /msg dpkg flash |
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| 19:58.07 | sllide | thanks :) |
| 19:58.46 | amee2k | i'm using the stock 2.6.18-5-486 kernel |
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| 19:59.05 | valdyn | amee2k: if thats the stock kernel, then youre using an ancient debian release |
| 19:59.47 | amee2k | i installed from a 4.0 netinst disk, but it somehow installed from the 5.0 repos |
| 20:00.04 | amee2k | i cleared the cache and upgraded the system |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | amee2k: known bug afaik |
| 20:00.17 | amee2k | but there could still be lingering 4.0 stuff in there |
| 20:00.23 | valdyn | amee2k: ok, you *need* to use the lenny kernel |
| 20:00.32 | somiaj | amee2k: because 5.0 is the stable on the repos which is what the net install will look for. 4.0 isn't avilabile on the mirrors anymore. |
| 20:00.55 | amee2k | why do i *need* to use the 5.0 kernel? |
| 20:00.58 | valdyn | amee2k: thats probably why you have issues anyway, that 2.6.18 kernel cant work properly in lenny |
| 20:01.21 | deepy | Best tool to make a as lossless conversion as possible of an ogg to an mp3? |
| 20:01.22 | somiaj | valdyn: a bug? isn't it working as intended, or should the net-installers look for the distrubation by code name instead of just 'stable' |
| 20:01.33 | valdyn | somiaj: they do that now |
| 20:01.39 | jordanm | valdyn: I run a .18 kernel on lenny, and have been for about a year.. inside a xen VM however |
| 20:01.57 | valdyn | jordanm: so? |
| 20:02.02 | amee2k | ummm it didn't just use the generic "stable" alias |
| 20:02.08 | amee2k | it explicitly added the lenny repos |
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| 20:02.16 | valdyn | amee2k: ok, whatever |
| 20:02.21 | jordanm | valdyn: so.. just a "works for me" comment |
| 20:02.33 | valdyn | jordanm: yea, just that, its unsupported and known broken |
| 20:03.00 | deepy | Isn't lame in the repos? |
| 20:03.02 | jordanm | valdyn: its supported by me, and I have not encountered the brokeness |
| 20:03.17 | jordanm | deepy: DMM iirc |
| 20:03.21 | jordanm | !tell deepy about dmm |
| 20:04.27 | valdyn | somiaj: debian defaulted to using "stable" in sources.list at some point, and this got fixed |
| 20:04.38 | sllide | damn, cant get flash to work :/ |
| 20:04.52 | sllide | it keeps using the flash plugin that requires you to press the big play button |
| 20:04.58 | sllide | i want adobes flash :< |
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| 20:05.10 | jordanm | sllide: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 20:05.21 | jordanm | that.. still requires you press play for videos however |
| 20:05.27 | jordanm | I have never seen flash work otherwise |
| 20:05.28 | sllide | oh >.< |
| 20:05.37 | sllide | well, orther distros you dont have to press it |
| 20:05.39 | somiaj | sllide: sure you don't have some flashblock or other addon requiring you to do that? |
| 20:05.47 | valdyn | to bad flash ads work fine without hitting "play" |
| 20:05.53 | sllide | somiaj, fresh install |
| 20:05.58 | jordanm | sllide: the package downloads it from adobe |
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| 20:06.47 | somiaj | sllide: well what your describing sounds like an option or flashblock (or similar addon) issue. |
| 20:07.17 | sllide | somiaj, odd.. i never enabled something |
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| 20:07.56 | debiantonio | Debian 6.0, Squeeze no more testing? |
| 20:08.11 | debiantonio | stable? |
| 20:08.30 | valdyn | debiantonio: it is testing |
| 20:08.46 | amee2k | valdyn: the initrd modules config file worked :) |
| 20:08.54 | debiantonio | valdyn, ok |
| 20:09.03 | valdyn | amee2k: nice |
| 20:09.10 | somiaj | debiantonio: its getting closer, its been frozen for a bit, now have to flush out installation and upgrading bugs which is what the news article is trying to get testers to do |
| 20:09.28 | valdyn | !sarge->lenny |
| 20:09.31 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge->lenny |
| 20:09.39 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 20:09.39 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 20:09.47 | deepy | sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated. |
| 20:09.49 | deepy | :EEEEE |
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| 20:09.59 | debiantonio | debian-installer tests so |
| 20:10.02 | valdyn | amee2k: read ^^, maybe its important since you upgraded.., maybe not |
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| 20:10.20 | amee2k | i upgraded? |
| 20:10.23 | moon__ | hai |
| 20:10.36 | debiantonio | upgrade now :) |
| 20:10.37 | valdyn | amee2k: yea, from a 4.0 netinstall to lenny |
| 20:10.47 | amee2k | oh |
| 20:10.57 | amee2k | well, now that its working i'll pull an image of the drive |
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| 20:11.12 | amee2k | so i have a reasonably functional snapshot |
| 20:11.20 | valdyn | amee2k: that should tell you if and how 2.6.18 breaks lenny udev / hal etc |
| 20:11.24 | debiantonio | somiaj, thanks explanation |
| 20:11.40 | valdyn | amee2k: or if you can just stick to the old kernel if youre happy with it.. |
| 20:11.56 | amee2k | i won't hassle with an upgrade unless i have to |
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| 20:12.23 | valdyn | amee2k: well, right now you seem to have a etch/lenny hybrid. Thats unsupported. |
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| 20:13.01 | amee2k | my mom is unsupported too, and i still have one |
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| 20:14.10 | somiaj | debiantonio: I'm not good on timelines -- but I would say a few months of testing to ensure that servers get noe critical bugs and a 'smooth' upgrade is in order now...classic when its ready response. |
| 20:14.11 | qwd | Is it helpful to install Debian in VirtualBox to test the installer or is it not the same thing since we're talking about virtualization? |
| 20:14.34 | somiaj | qwd: kinda depends on the issues you run across |
| 20:15.04 | somiaj | qwd: if you find bugs you can report that aren't due to virtulization then its useful, but if the bugs are due to virtuilization or a mix its hard to identify what needs to be fixed. |
| 20:15.07 | valdyn | qwd: its certainly helpful to enable debian to support virtualbox |
| 20:15.15 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: I think that since installing vm's is one of the things that needs to work, testing the installer on a vm system is good. You need to be able to distinguish errors with the installer from errors with the VM, but that shouldn't be too hard. |
| 20:15.21 | amee2k | qwd: well, the installer is the same. but it obviously won't appropriately emulate machine-specific issues of your real hardware |
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| 20:15.48 | qwd | Thanks for the replies! |
| 20:15.49 | amee2k | so if you want to go through the procedure before trying it on a production system, virtualbox is a good training option to give it some dry runs |
| 20:16.01 | moon__ | vb rocks |
| 20:16.17 | amee2k | but it doesn't mean you can't have issues just because it worked on a virtual machine |
| 20:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | Visual Basic? |
| 20:16.20 | somiaj | qwd: though if your going that route, might want to use more than just VirtualBox -- i.e. see if any bugs you run across can be reproduced in either virtual box or other virtualization enviroments. |
| 20:17.07 | qwd | amee2k: I don't have any production system, just trying to help find any problems :) |
| 20:17.22 | qwd | somiaj: Guess I should have left some free space on the hard drive! |
| 20:17.53 | amee2k | as i said, it won't replicate issues you may run across at random on real hardware |
| 20:18.10 | somiaj | qwd: well when your testing things, just be clear on what your testing -- knowing if its a vbox bug or virtuilization in general is more useful to the matainers. |
| 20:18.15 | amee2k | virtual machines are usually a pretty generic and tested environment |
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| 20:18.21 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: It would probably help to scan existing bugs and errata. |
| 20:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: I know there's a problem with grub. |
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| 20:22.44 | lamah | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b |
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| 20:23.35 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:25.44 | emanon | just read the MOTD when connecting to freenode. thank you, The Gallery Project and Canonical Ltd. ;) |
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| 20:27.08 | amee2k | as a somewhat unrelated side note, someone here mentioned a while ago that there is an easy way to prevent removable media from being mounted automatically upon insertion |
| 20:27.19 | amee2k | in gnome i mean |
| 20:27.20 | amee2k | how did that work again? |
| 20:28.31 | sedulous | amee2k: one way is to add them to /etc/fstab with the option "noauto" |
| 20:28.37 | sedulous | that's what I did |
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| 20:28.53 | amee2k | i mean temporarily |
| 20:29.11 | amee2k | say, i want to stick a flash card into a card reader for imaging |
| 20:29.26 | amee2k | (with the implication that the data on it is not to be disturbed) |
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| 20:30.20 | amee2k | so it can have an arbitrary device node assigned |
| 20:31.12 | somiaj | sounds like you need to configure the automounter -- I just disable it myself. |
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| 20:31.55 | amee2k | well, we had exactly this discussion and someone was bragging that there is a vaguely obscure yet quick way to temporarily disable it |
| 20:32.07 | amee2k | but i can't find where it was again |
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| 21:04.13 | jelly-home | ,versions mplayer-nogui |
| 21:04.14 | judd | Package mplayer-nogui on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny4; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1 |
| 21:04.53 | amee2k | kriebz: mmmh, just opening it in fdisk and writing it back as-is doesn't work. how do i find out who is still using it? |
| 21:05.09 | amee2k | nothing on that drive is currently mounted or active as swap |
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| 21:05.36 | cosmos2 | hi |
| 21:05.48 | kriebz | amee2k: odd. maybe lvm or mdadm is looking at it. sucks, but the only sure way is a reboot |
| 21:06.00 | itchi | amee2k: You can check with lsof but anyway you should reboot first |
| 21:06.04 | kriebz | jelly-home: that is awesome |
| 21:06.06 | cosmos2 | I get an error with oracle's java 6 jre for arm: export JAVA_HOME=/home/root/Documents/ejre1.6.0_21/bin |
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| 21:06.14 | amee2k | lsof doesn't show up anything |
| 21:06.17 | cosmos2 | no sorry |
| 21:06.30 | kriebz | the partition table can be in use without any files open or filesystems mounted |
| 21:06.33 | amee2k | but then, if something inside the kernel is keeping a lock on it, it may not be detectable this way |
| 21:06.34 | itchi | amee2k: It was in use by the kernel, i'm not sure if anything can show that |
| 21:06.39 | cosmos2 | java -version |
| 21:06.39 | cosmos2 | Illegal instruction |
| 21:07.04 | jelly-home | cosmos2: sounds like your arm isn't good enough |
| 21:07.07 | itchi | amee2k: Just reboot haha :P |
| 21:07.10 | cosmos2 | after a export PATH=/home/root/Documents/ejre1.6.0_21/bin |
| 21:07.32 | tauro | can anybody tell me if a can use a wireless card with a ralink rt2860 chipset with hostapd? |
| 21:08.11 | cosmos2 | jelly-home: oracle's arm java or my proc? |
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| 21:08.45 | jelly-home | cosmos2: your proc. |
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| 21:09.26 | jelly-home | obviously that jre build is meant for a slightly different instruction set |
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| 21:10.25 | jelly-home | I don't know if openjdk builds and is packaged on armel these days |
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| 21:12.02 | yoshio | amee2k: http://serverfault.com/questions/36038/reread-partition-table-without-rebooting |
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| 21:12.20 | adac | How can i find ou if my debian is a 32 or a 64 bit? |
| 21:12.31 | jelly-home | adac: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 21:12.45 | adac | i386 |
| 21:12.46 | amee2k | hehe |
| 21:12.47 | adac | :) |
| 21:12.50 | adac | thx!! |
| 21:12.50 | amee2k | thanks, but too late |
| 21:12.51 | dkr | cool, I usually use uname -a |
| 21:12.55 | amee2k | already rebooting >_> |
| 21:13.23 | jelly-home | dkr: that'd be inconclusive if it showed an x86_64 kernel |
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| 21:13.59 | jelly-home | Linux burek 2.6.36-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Oct 28 15:28:37 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux # also an i386 installation |
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| 21:14.44 | adac | jelly-home, x86_64 wouldn't that mean 64 bit? |
| 21:15.05 | jelly-home | adac: kernel, yes. Debian, not necessarily. |
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| 21:15.16 | metalfoo | Debian as in: userland. |
| 21:15.23 | adac | jelly, ah can that differ?? (: |
| 21:15.34 | metalfoo | You can run a 32 Bit userland on a AMD64 (x86_64) kernel. |
| 21:15.42 | jelly-home | adac: yes. There are 64bit kernels for the 32bit distro in repos. |
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| 21:17.47 | Jackjk | hi all. i've created a preseed file for unattended installation. i want to distribute this but without users have to enter anything at the boot: prompt and without distributing a custom cd. i was thinking i could put it on a floppy img, and boot off floppy then launch installation from the cd. any suggestions on how i can get this up and running quickly? |
| 21:18.14 | emanon | whoever it was, thank you for the 8088 corruption video link! :) |
| 21:18.17 | Jackjk | i looked at sbm but how to launch installer with preseed file |
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| 21:19.14 | amee2k | hahaa, it works |
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| 21:23.48 | amee2k | http://ompldr.org/vNjdsNA/cimg5490b.jpg :) |
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| 21:26.22 | flock-_ | hello |
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| 21:26.56 | flock-_ | I've upgraded my debian to the last version and, on users ssh shell the DIR name is gone |
| 21:27.01 | flock-_ | anyway to fix it? |
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| 21:31.33 | SethX | help! its full-upgrade is asking me to resolve dependencies by hand |
| 21:31.40 | SethX | what should i do? |
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| 21:32.54 | streuner | SethX: hm, give us more details please |
| 21:32.55 | jelly-home | SethX: file upgrade-report bugs! |
| 21:32.58 | cosmos2 | jelly-home: you were right, oracle's java provide packages only for armV5, armV6 and armV7, and not for the armV9 (ARM920T) |
| 21:33.43 | jelly-home | cosmos2: one would hope those sub-architectures would be forward-compatible, but... |
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| 21:33.56 | SethX | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/100077/ |
| 21:34.18 | jelly-home | cosmos2: you can try if v5 works on your system I guess |
| 21:35.00 | streuner | SethX: that looks really ugly, can you pastebin your sources.list too? |
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| 21:35.55 | flock-_ | streuner |
| 21:36.06 | flock-_ | I've upgraded my debian to the last version and, on users ssh shell the DIR name is gone.. and also auto complete (with tab) doesnt work |
| 21:36.10 | flock-_ | any way to fix it? |
| 21:36.34 | SethX | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/100078/ |
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| 21:37.06 | jhutchins | flock-_: no need to repeat, just be patient |
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| 21:37.25 | valdyn | flock-_: your shell is probably not bash right now |
| 21:37.26 | jhutchins | flock-_: Specificly what version did you upgrade _to_? |
| 21:37.38 | valdyn | flock-_: so , run "bash" and see |
| 21:37.57 | valdyn | flock-_: if that works, change your users shell to /bin/bash |
| 21:38.17 | SethX | streuner: any suggestions? i'm considering removing all X relevant stuff |
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| 21:38.24 | SethX | but its mostly the g++ which concerns me |
| 21:39.04 | valdyn | flock-_: or dpkg-reconfigure dash, and chose bash as default shell, iirc |
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| 21:39.46 | streuner | SethX: just run "apt-get update" and then install each package... |
| 21:39.49 | valdyn | flock-_: keeping dash as default shell makes sense however as its faster |
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| 21:40.49 | jhutchins | SethX: You're using aptitude, right? |
| 21:41.57 | jhutchins | streuner: Actually, that looks like a pretty normal upgrade stage. |
| 21:42.26 | streuner | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/100077/ |
| 21:42.30 | SethX | jhutchins: yes |
| 21:42.54 | SethX | i'll just remove the X & gnome related things |
| 21:42.55 | jhutchins | SethX: I'd just let it proceede and remove what it wants, it should put it all back when it's done. |
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| 21:43.05 | SethX | wanted to get rid of that anyhow |
| 21:43.12 | jhutchins | w'ever. |
| 21:43.17 | SethX | and then re=add the server components if it removed that. |
| 21:43.24 | streuner | nah, just do what jhutchins told you |
| 21:43.37 | streuner | just install it again |
| 21:43.57 | SethX | pl |
| 21:43.58 | SethX | ok |
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| 21:45.52 | flock-_ | thank you its fixed. |
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| 21:50.24 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:50.53 | Agiofws | i am trying to compile a web cam driver on my lenny station and i am getting these errors can anyone please take a look ? |
| 21:50.54 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/jssasYgG |
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| 21:51.26 | streuner | .oO(webcam driver are not easy to compile) |
| 21:51.59 | streuner | if you dont get the *right* sources you are fucked.... |
| 21:52.53 | Agiofws | well sources are right but it will not compile |
| 21:52.57 | Agiofws | and mind your language |
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| 21:53.06 | Agiofws | http://blog.zer0.net/2007/12/14/asus-syntek-webcam-installation-on-linux-fedora-8-asus-f3s-f3sa/ |
| 21:53.09 | streuner | well, its not the right sources then |
| 21:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Where did you get a .31 kernel? |
| 21:53.28 | cosmos2 | jelly-home: same shit |
| 21:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
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| 21:53.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:53.35 | flock-_ | how do I give permissons to the normal users on net/proc/tcp ? |
| 21:53.39 | streuner | it should be the right sources for Debian and Lenny |
| 21:53.47 | Agiofws | 31 ? |
| 21:53.51 | streuner | nah |
| 21:53.54 | Agiofws | i compile my own kernels |
| 21:54.01 | streuner | good luck then |
| 21:54.10 | Agiofws | why ? |
| 21:54.17 | dkr | Agiofws: do you have videodev.h ? |
| 21:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | /lib/modules/2.6.31.6 |
| 21:54.37 | Agiofws | apt-cache ? |
| 21:54.43 | dkr | the missing VIDIOCGCAP should be in there |
| 21:55.22 | Agiofws | libvideo-ivtv-perl - Perl extension for using V4l2 in the ivtv perl scripts ? |
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| 21:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | Clearly this source is incomplete, why is not so clear. |
| 21:55.43 | Agiofws | the downloaded source ? |
| 21:55.46 | dkr | Agiofws: no, linux kernel include headers |
| 21:55.51 | dkr | yes |
| 21:56.08 | Agiofws | the kernel or the camera drivers source ? |
| 21:56.43 | Agiofws | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 174f:6a33 Syntek Web Cam - Asus F3SA, F9J, F9S |
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| 21:57.49 | dkr | maybe you aren't including the path to the kernel headers you used since you custom compiled. might need to manually add a -I or symlink /usr/src/linux to it |
| 21:57.56 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: The page you referenced is from 2007, it might be a good idea to check the sourceforge page and see what the current status of the driver is. |
| 21:57.59 | dkr | I don't understand many of your above "questions" though |
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| 21:58.54 | Agiofws | http://sourceforge.net/projects/syntekdriver/files/syntekdriver/ |
| 21:58.59 | Agiofws | what wrong with the status ? |
| 21:59.23 | streuner | why do you asking us? |
| 21:59.41 | streuner | you should ask the devel who created the sources for your webcam |
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| 22:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | Why lookie there: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/stkwebcam.ko |
| 22:00.04 | streuner | s(he) only knows whats wrong |
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| 22:00.41 | streuner | if s(he) doesnt devel the sources your out of luck then... |
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| 22:00.53 | jhutchins_lt | According to the sourceforge page ca 2008 the camera works with kernels 2.6.27 and later, so the .32 stock debian kernel should handle it. |
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| 22:01.21 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: very optimistic view |
| 22:01.49 | streuner | according to my experiences with webcam sources |
| 22:01.56 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Modules don't usually get mainstreamed unless they work. |
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| 22:02.20 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: if it were that easy Agiofws would use distro kernels, therefore it CAN'T be that easy! |
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| 22:03.07 | cdave | i have question regarding debian package, i have package that i build, installs fine, but when i try to remove ( dpkg -P ), i see that postrm , tries to run twice... |
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| 22:04.11 | jelly-home | cdave: with different arguments, once to remove, once to purge. |
| 22:04.17 | streuner | those devel who make webcam stuff, just do some stuff with this or that kernel, nobody can you give you any guarantee |
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| 22:04.52 | jelly-home | cdave: check the value of "$1" in the script |
| 22:04.56 | streuner | if its not in the kernel itself, you just able to pray... |
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| 22:05.57 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: See further: http://sourceforge.net/projects/syntekdriver/forums |
| 22:06.06 | flock-_ | how do I give permissons to the normal users on /net/proc/ ? |
| 22:06.22 | jelly-home | cdave: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html is instructive, there are lots of ways install scripts may be called |
| 22:06.46 | cdave | jelly-home.. I have |
| 22:06.48 | cdave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.48 | cdave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.20 | jelly-home | cdave: if you're doing your things in "remove", there's no need to repeat them in "purge". |
| 22:07.49 | cdave | so take out remove from case statement > |
| 22:07.51 | cdave | ? |
| 22:07.51 | jelly-home | so make purge a noop |
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| 22:08.23 | cdave | so something like this..remove|upgrade|failed-upgrade|abort-install|abort-upgrade|disappear) |
| 22:08.44 | Agiofws | just that jhutchins what ? |
| 22:08.47 | jelly-home | cdave: that seems a bit better |
| 22:08.48 | Agiofws | its empty |
| 22:08.50 | cdave | kk |
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| 22:09.30 | jelly-home | cdave: there's a channel for beginner packagers, |
| 22:09.32 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 22:09.32 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:09.46 | Agiofws | wow this is so stupid |
| 22:10.11 | Agiofws | why do they release sorce code that can't even get compiled on vanilla kernels ? |
| 22:10.19 | Agiofws | wtf |
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| 22:10.51 | jelly-home | why does Agiofws not get code from 2007 might not work with kernels from 2009? |
| 22:10.53 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 22:10.55 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/hI2xEux0 |
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| 22:11.12 | streuner | _____________: your nick sucks :-P |
| 22:11.12 | Agiofws | jelly-home, its the latest drivers |
| 22:11.16 | Agiofws | no from 2007 |
| 22:11.29 | streuner | Agiofws: scoll up, we told you |
| 22:11.32 | jelly-home | streuner: test it on the nickometer |
| 22:11.39 | Agiofws | its the latest driver |
| 22:11.40 | streuner | jelly-home: haha |
| 22:11.43 | _____________ | streuner: your face sucks |
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| 22:12.02 | Agiofws | 2009-05-08 |
| 22:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: The latest drivers are IN the kernel. |
| 22:12.17 | jelly-home | streuner: the invisible man is talking to you! |
| 22:12.19 | streuner | somebody who has a ugly nick and a bad humor, that become even better and better :-) |
| 22:13.12 | emanon | pats boomer on the head... ;) |
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| 22:13.27 | streuner | Agiofws: as we told you before, nobody can you any advives what kind of sources on what kernel could work... |
| 22:13.31 | Agiofws | yes but that means i will have to recompile my kernel which might mean i will have to recompile my ATI driver which i do not feel like fiddling with ftb ,,,, |
| 22:13.52 | streuner | thats another question... |
| 22:14.01 | Agiofws | its the issue though |
| 22:14.14 | streuner | well, you asked for webcam before |
| 22:14.30 | Agiofws | and thats my goal with out breaking up my system |
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| 22:15.35 | Agiofws | apt-cache search stk11xx ? |
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| 22:15.51 | streuner | dpkg, listvals stk11 |
| 22:15.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stk11' by value returned no results. |
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| 22:16.56 | streuner | its always a bad sign if dpkg doesnt have an entry... |
| 22:16.58 | cga | hi all, how can i set up a "backup" user to use it with duplicity on a remote system where root login is disabled? |
| 22:17.01 | rames | dumb unix question ... mkdir /foo/bar ... bar gets created with chmod 750 instead of 755 ... is that umask? setguid / uid / gid? sticky bits??? |
| 22:17.46 | streuner | Agiofws: you should just sell/buy something which is well supported |
| 22:17.49 | rames | the parent directory (/foo in the example) does have 755 permissions and i never know what to look up to resolve this ~problem~ |
| 22:17.53 | jelly-home | rames: probably umask |
| 22:18.01 | streuner | Agiofws: specially for webcams |
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| 22:18.12 | jelly-home | rames: is it set to 027? |
| 22:18.25 | rames | jelly-home: possibly / probably? ... how do i check it? |
| 22:18.36 | jelly-home | rames: there's this "umask" command |
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| 22:18.41 | Agiofws | streuner, its an oN BOARD WEB CAM |
| 22:18.47 | rames | jelly-home: is that per user or per directory? |
| 22:18.49 | streuner | great |
| 22:18.52 | Agiofws | SORRY for the caps |
| 22:18.56 | jhutchins_lt | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/stkwebcam.ko |
| 22:18.57 | jelly-home | rames: per process. |
| 22:19.14 | Agiofws | jhutchins, i do not have such a dir |
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| 22:19.20 | flock-_ | I want that a user start a grep based on /net/proc/tcp , how can I allow it? |
| 22:19.21 | streuner | why not? |
| 22:19.25 | rames | jelly-home: so if those directories are created by a crontab / php process ... is it the cron-user's umask ~bleeding~ through? |
| 22:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Because you do not have a Debian kernel. |
| 22:19.29 | Agiofws | /media/video/ ... |
| 22:20.14 | jelly-home | rames: that might be possible |
| 22:21.01 | jelly-home | rames: or the php script has code to set it explicitely |
| 22:21.18 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/8bHtTiGl |
| 22:21.20 | rames | jelly-home: no... i control the PHP code and it's just doing basic mkdir stuff |
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| 22:21.43 | jelly-home | rames: well you can put umask(022) in there then I guess! |
| 22:21.45 | rames | ...anybody know how to affect the crontab's umask... or run a specific cron command with a specific umask? |
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| 22:22.00 | jelly-home | rames: if that is correct php, I don't use it |
| 22:22.27 | rames | jelly-home: i would prefer (i guess) to avoid mucking with the permissions in the PHP side ... seems more appropriate to have the caller control the default permissions and php just use them |
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| 22:22.46 | jelly-home | I agree, but it's nice to have a plan B |
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| 22:23.59 | rames | jelly-home: my plan "C" is another crontab to chmod 755 my directories ;^) |
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| 22:24.58 | jelly-home | what does your crontab file really look like? |
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| 22:25.34 | jelly-home | you wouldn't be doing something silly like calling wget http://localmachine/path/to/foo.php in crontab? :-) |
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| 22:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | !v4l |
| 22:26.33 | dpkg | "Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. The V4L1 API is obsolete and does not work with most newer V4L drivers. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l . See also <dvb>, <webcam>. |
| 22:26.47 | fahad | exit |
| 22:26.52 | fahad | exit |
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| 22:27.03 | deepy | fahad: you're trapped! we have stolen your terminal! |
| 22:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | loans fahad a / |
| 22:27.09 | fahad | exit |
| 22:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | NO! |
| 22:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | I WON'T! |
| 22:27.31 | fahad | oops my hasn't met irc yet |
| 22:27.38 | fahad | *my wife* |
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| 22:27.50 | rames | jelly-home: no ... it's exec.sh foo.php ... i'll look into the umask thing ... looks like there are some guides out there on where / when / how / why umask is set for cron'd users |
| 22:27.52 | deepy | Does that mean we just met your wife? |
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| 22:28.01 | jelly-home | this is all very Sartrian |
| 22:28.25 | emanon | =) |
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| 22:28.57 | jelly-home | #debian is other people |
| 22:29.00 | factran | hello ! I would like to know how can I redirect the mails from /var/spool/mail/user to an classic mailbox (smtp). Is it postfix ? sendmail ? something else ? |
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| 22:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Just like Soylent Green! |
| 22:30.07 | deepy | Anyone got a script or tool for converting a softsubbed mkv (h264 + nero aac) into a hardsubbed mp4 (h264 + nero aac)? |
| 22:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | factran: procmail |
| 22:30.29 | factran | ssmtp ? |
| 22:30.38 | factran | jhutchins_lt, ok |
| 22:30.39 | Agiofws | this sucks |
| 22:30.50 | factran | Agiofws, what sucks ? |
| 22:30.58 | Agiofws | 3 year old laptop and the source code for its onboard web cam does not compile |
| 22:31.04 | Agiofws | sheezes |
| 22:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: It's you. |
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| 22:31.34 | Agiofws | whats me ? |
| 22:31.44 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: It's not the code. |
| 22:31.54 | Agiofws | what wrong with me ? |
| 22:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: We've made several suggestions, but you should look at the sourceforge site, look at the forums (possibly the "code won't compile" thread), check for documentation there on how to compile the CURRENT code, etc. |
| 22:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Just banging your head away trying to get the same broken thing to work isn't going to get you anywhere. |
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| 22:33.09 | Agiofws | the foorum is Blank |
| 22:33.23 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: I suspect that either the version you have isn't compatible with your build environment, or that you're missing something essentiall like the v4l headers. |
| 22:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: No, the forum is not blank. Look harder. 264 topics iirc. Recent activty. |
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| 22:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | (Although the sourceforge project is for the USB camera and yours is built in.) |
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| 22:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Also, you could try installing a stock .32 kernel (yes, I know your video won't be right) and seeing if the in-kernel driver works. |
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| 22:37.57 | _di | if i lost /var - can i restore it without system reinstall? or will system broke if i reboot? |
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| 22:39.21 | flock-_ | anyone understand about /net/proc/tcp? |
| 22:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | _di: Yes, just copy it from your latest backup. You may loose some mail but you should be run-able. |
| 22:40.04 | SethX | argh, finished most of the packages in the full-upgrade |
| 22:40.11 | SethX | now aptitude just dies on runit |
| 22:40.16 | Agiofws | forum sucks i think |
| 22:40.18 | SethX | suggestions? |
| 22:40.46 | SethX | dpkg: error processing runit (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 22:40.46 | dpkg | sethx: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:40.49 | SethX | Errors were encountered while processing: runit |
| 22:41.46 | SethX | http://paste.debian.net/100089/ |
| 22:41.50 | SethX | full output here |
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| 22:42.50 | emanon | does anyone know why there aren't floppy disk images anymore to install debian? I'm serious... |
| 22:43.01 | amee2k | what exactly does it mean when it says that upgrades have been kept back? (other than that they're obviously not installed) |
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| 22:44.59 | amee2k | emanon: probably having something to do with debian not supporting legacy hardware |
| 22:45.17 | amee2k | and i feel your pain too... i've been trying to get it to run on an old thinkpad for a week now |
| 22:45.58 | amee2k | (read: legacy on the consumer market is like 5+ years old. then your government of choice expects you to feed the industry more moneyz) |
| 22:46.24 | emanon | i once installed debian because it was one of the few ones who still supported floppies... |
| 22:47.06 | somiaj | emanon: you can still pull up the old floppy installers from the archives and update them yourself if you desire. |
| 22:47.08 | amee2k | hehe |
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| 22:47.30 | somiaj | though debootstrap is my prefered form of instalization. |
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| 22:47.48 | Janni | Hello. |
| 22:48.02 | emanon | no way i'm supporting bullshit. ;) I'd rather resurect my trusty old c64 or build a mycpu.net thingy :) |
| 22:48.33 | amee2k | mmmh, somehow every time i try to install something, aptitude wants to make a dependency mess here |
| 22:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: The kernel's too big. |
| 22:48.42 | somiaj | amee2k: yea what happens when the linux kernel finishes depreciating ide, though sure there will be many many years for that to happen. |
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| 22:49.04 | emanon | yeah, that's kind of a little drawback ;) |
| 22:49.06 | amee2k | ummm sure? |
| 22:49.49 | Janni | Currently, I'm trying to set universal commands to open arbitrary files with the right application (according to my needs). run-mailcap seems to be exactly what I need, however it has a big weakness. Apparently it relies for file type detection on /etc/mime.type, which in turn relies solely on file name extensions. |
| 22:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | DSL, puppy, there was a linux legacy project to build a distro specifically for legacy hardware but it's gone missing. |
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| 22:50.31 | amee2k | dsl is full of shit |
| 22:50.31 | Janni | That means that if I want to open e.g. the file /etc/mailcap using run-mailcap it cannot determine its file type (no extension) |
| 22:50.48 | amee2k | i don't want x on a f...fine P-MMX 133 |
| 22:50.53 | Janni | This is a pity, as the command "file" does this job perfectly well... |
| 22:50.55 | amee2k | and even if i did, i'd just install it |
| 22:51.01 | emanon | shindindledecker moved from DSL to tinycore (good for him!) |
| 22:51.17 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/8bHtTiGl what file am i missing that i cant compile this source code ? |
| 22:51.23 | amee2k | and its keeping back ridiculous upgrades like eject or perl or netcat |
| 22:51.42 | Janni | So my question is, is there a good way to associate applications to file types in such a way, that a more intelligent mechanism than /etc/mime.types (e.g. "file") determines the file types? |
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| 22:52.24 | Janni | What I like about run-mailcap is, that it has different kind of action, like edit and view, etc. |
| 22:52.50 | Janni | So having an alias e="run-mailcap --action=edit" would be very convenient. |
| 22:53.10 | Janni | ... if only the file type detection wouldn't be as bad. |
| 22:53.18 | Janni | Anyone got an idea? |
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| 22:53.27 | amee2k | well, there is file(1), but you'd need to find a hook to make your tool use it |
| 22:53.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, this may be it http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=legacy |
| 22:53.37 | Janni | That's what I've been saying... |
| 22:53.42 | flock-_ | anyone understand about /net/proc/tcp? |
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| 22:54.21 | amee2k | what does it mean when an upgrade is being kept back? |
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| 22:55.49 | amee2k | !kept back |
| 22:55.49 | dpkg | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 22:56.14 | somiaj | amee2k: upgrade will not install new packages or remove packages, need distupgrade for that. though you could also have --set-selctios set to 'hold' which will also hold upgrades back |
| 22:57.00 | emanon | anyhow, there's always http://lng.sourceforge.net/ ;) |
| 22:57.07 | Agiofws | Version 2.0 (and SVN trunk) for Kernel 2.6.29 and following |
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| 22:58.00 | amee2k | hm. |
| 22:58.09 | abrotman | amee2k: please msg the bot |
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| 22:59.11 | Janni | OK, got it myself. Something like "run-mailcap `file -b --mime-type $file`:$file" should do. |
| 22:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | http://pupweb.org/wikka/TeenPup |
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| 23:01.18 | amee2k | ummm |
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| 23:01.24 | amee2k | pentium 3 is hardly legacy lol |
| 23:02.24 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: It is these days. |
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| 23:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | p4 is legacy. |
| 23:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | (If it hasn't burned through it's motherboard yet) |
| 23:03.15 | amee2k | lol |
| 23:03.17 | emanon | you mean like retro? ;) |
| 23:03.31 | Agiofws | can someone please tell me whats missing and i cant compile my driver for my web cam ? |
| 23:03.32 | amee2k | is temporarily removing tasksel and debconf-i18n a bad thing? |
| 23:03.36 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/AaIgfuYx |
| 23:03.37 | Agiofws | ? |
| 23:05.28 | amee2k | hmmm not that i have any clue about compiling kernel stuff, but i don't think the problem is just a missing file |
| 23:05.49 | amee2k | is that driver supposed to be compatible with your kernel version? |
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| 23:08.41 | SethX | hmm, runit fails each time i try to install it |
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| 23:10.04 | abrotman | SethX: more details would help |
| 23:10.18 | SethX | am trying to figure it out myself. more as i discover. |
| 23:10.21 | Agiofws | amee2k, i think so |
| 23:10.24 | Agiofws | i am not sure |
| 23:10.31 | Agiofws | and i cant find out specifically |
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| 23:10.56 | amee2k | but then, from my exp third party drivers for cheap webcams are usually really, really shitty |
| 23:11.23 | Agiofws | this cant be |
| 23:11.33 | amee2k | the only driver for my quickcam that compiles with recent kernels for example identifies the stream type the wrong way |
| 23:11.35 | Agiofws | 3 year old laptop this cam works in linux |
| 23:11.42 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 23:11.47 | Agiofws | wrong way ? |
| 23:11.48 | amee2k | so it works but all apps reject the stream as unknown type |
| 23:11.52 | flock-_ | anyone understand about /net/proc/tcp? |
| 23:12.25 | amee2k | its setting the type string to "mjpeg" whereas correct would eb "MJPG" (or the other way around... don't remember |
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| 23:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | My new acer one atom has a webcam that works fine with out-of-the-box squeeze. |
| 23:12.42 | amee2k | but its so unstable anyway that i didn't bother fixing it |
| 23:13.12 | xyan | uvcvideo compatible devices are the best choice |
| 23:13.19 | amee2k | video stuff on linux needs another decade or so. seriously |
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| 23:13.59 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 23:13.59 | amee2k | also, hardware manufs need someone to smash in their faces with a rusy crowbar |
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| 23:14.28 | abrotman | amee2k: perhaps you should buy from vendors that care .. this laptop worked out of the box |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | (as far as i know, haven't tried the modem) |
| 23:14.37 | emanon | amee2k: you are waaaaay to negative... ;) |
| 23:15.22 | amee2k | the vast majority of issues i had over the last 5 years or so were hardware or hardware driver related |
| 23:15.32 | yoshio | Agiofws: did you install headers like linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 ? are you compiling a Debian or upstream kernel? |
| 23:15.47 | abrotman | where did Agiofws get a 2.6.30 ? |
| 23:15.49 | amee2k | starting by ridiculous shit like ati video drivers breaking ltspice ... wtf |
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| 23:16.03 | abrotman | says again .. buy from vendors that care |
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| 23:16.16 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I thought he was running .31? |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | no one knows? |
| 23:16.25 | amee2k | abrotman: well, which ones still do? |
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| 23:16.47 | abrotman | amee2k: this thinkpad works fine .. i haven't a complaint yet |
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| 23:17.01 | amee2k | digging up hardware that works reliably and effectively under linux is getting more and more of a pain |
| 23:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: Everything on this new win7 netbook worked with squeeze. |
| 23:17.26 | deepy | This EeePC would have worked flawlessly, but there's a realtek card in it |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | deepy: it works, just needs firmware? |
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| 23:17.55 | amee2k | abrotman: if you can manage to install this thinkpad 310ED here, i'll give you a crate of beer |
| 23:18.10 | deepy | abrotman: actually, I don't know if this is a bug in wicd or the wlan drivers |
| 23:18.19 | Agiofws | yoshio, + abrotman its a vanilla kernel |
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| 23:18.28 | deepy | But if there's two networks with the same name and on the same channel, I won't be able to connect to either |
| 23:18.28 | mee | amee2k: I actually have the opposite problem, my hardware works better under linux because of MS driver signature requirements |
| 23:18.37 | emanon | someone gave me a samsung laptop the other day. 4 years old. full of intel stuff. 2 cores, 3D graphics i think i'm in love and i'll never need another computer unless it dies... ;) |
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| 23:19.14 | deepy | Also my dmesg scrolls for 2 minutes because of all the entries like: [178896.448356] ===>rt_ioctl_giwscan. 4(4) BSS returned, data->length = 519 |
| 23:19.15 | amee2k | mee: okay, maybe i'm lacking the comparison here because i have no windows systems here whatsoever |
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| 23:19.29 | mee | amee2k: although to be completely honest, it doesn't work 100% in either OS :( |
| 23:19.34 | SethX | abrotman: so, runit is a sysv process manager, and dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc is complaining about missing LBS tag |
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| 23:19.37 | abrotman | amee2k: that is from the 90s |
| 23:19.37 | deepy | And I lose connection randomly |
| 23:19.45 | SethX | i removed runit |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | deepy: network-manager? |
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| 23:19.56 | deepy | wicd |
| 23:19.56 | amee2k | how does that invalidate the point? |
| 23:20.05 | SethX | and am unable to complete the dpkg reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 23:20.18 | amee2k | you can also give the video card in my latitude C610 a try |
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| 23:20.27 | SethX | LSB tags sry |
| 23:20.35 | jhutchins_lt | ought to get the old thinkpads out and try puppy or legacy on them. |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | SethX: sounds like it's not a squeeze package |
| 23:20.41 | lolcat | amee2k: I have a Latitdue D630! |
| 23:20.44 | amee2k | it randomly freezes X and ltspice has bad graphics artifacts in the schematic editor |
| 23:20.48 | deepy | and when I (seriously) lose connection I need to turn off and on the WLAN to be able to connect again |
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| 23:21.03 | amee2k | switching to the vesa driver solves both issues |
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| 23:21.48 | amee2k | oh, and i have an orinoco 8420-WD card here that you can get to work for me |
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| 23:22.08 | amee2k | thats opportunities for three crates of beer now. do you need more? |
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| 23:22.31 | lolcat | You give beer to fix things? |
| 23:22.53 | amee2k | only for things that are impossible to fix barring writing a driver from scratch or so |
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| 23:23.18 | Boohemian | how do i create ONE log file out of ~10 log files that are ordered by chronological order? i'm trying to merge all the access logs i have (to use with awstats) |
| 23:23.24 | Boohemian | i'm using debian lenny |
| 23:23.44 | lolcat | amee2k: Is that crate 24 x 0,5l or 0,33l? |
| 23:23.56 | amee2k | dunno, i don't drink beer |
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| 23:24.06 | lolcat | Meh, I want to restart X but I dont want to close irssi |
| 23:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: conCATenate them. |
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| 23:24.16 | amee2k | lolcat: screen ftw |
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| 23:24.41 | amee2k | just from what i see in the superstore, a crate is maybe a tenner or so |
| 23:24.54 | amee2k | and thats cheaper than a new laptop with supported video card |
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| 23:25.02 | emanon | yeah, and depending on the content, sort and uniq them! ;) |
| 23:25.11 | lolcat | amee2k: What? All the crates I have bougth is 24... |
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| 23:25.20 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: Hampshire's got a pretty good LUG. |
| 23:25.25 | abrotman | lolcat: you could maybe bg it and then use retty ... |
| 23:25.28 | lolcat | amee2k: Me and my mate buy one to share when were going to get drunk |
| 23:25.31 | amee2k | 24 USD? |
| 23:25.43 | lolcat | abrotman: bg? |
| 23:25.49 | abrotman | man bg ? |
| 23:25.50 | emanon | lolcat: you run irssi from within X? |
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| 23:25.56 | lolcat | abrotman: ctrl z? |
| 23:26.04 | abrotman | that suspends |
| 23:26.05 | lolcat | emanon: I run it in gnome terminal |
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| 23:26.29 | yoshio | SethX: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts -- is it giving you the error on your own scripts, or package scripts? |
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| 23:26.59 | amee2k | lolcat: i mean, 10EUR in beer to have someone fix it > 500EUR for new laptop |
| 23:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: US Cases are 24x12oz usually, and can be had for as cheap as $9US. |
| 23:27.08 | SethX | yoshio: package scripts |
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| 23:27.16 | yoshio | amee2k: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html -- are any of these the same vintage as yours? |
| 23:27.22 | lolcat | amee2k: Where you at? |
| 23:27.25 | amee2k | .de |
| 23:27.33 | amee2k | and i never bought beer before |
| 23:27.40 | amee2k | except for a couple desperados or so |
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| 23:27.52 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:27.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 23:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | A German who doesn't drink beer... |
| 23:28.10 | jhutchins_lt | Hem. Yes, well. |
| 23:28.15 | amee2k | they're about the least disgusting kind, and actually kinda okay with lots of lemons |
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| 23:29.09 | yoshio | SethX: when insserv complained about obsolete conf files, I purged the packages, then re-installed the packages, so those obsolete files didn't bother me anymore. for local scripts, I had to add the LSB headers. |
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| 23:29.33 | emanon | speaking of OT... I'd like to resurrect some QIC-80 tape backups. any ideas? |
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| 23:29.56 | SethX | yoshio: what hapens if i simply ignore this and stick with sysv? |
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| 23:30.31 | Agiofws | ouldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 ? yoshio ? |
| 23:30.49 | yoshio | SethX: if you haven't done a full upgrade to Squeeze, I guess that is expected, so I wouldn't worry about it, it's just for dependency based boot (scripts can execute in parallel during bootup, to get the system up faster) |
| 23:30.51 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: Afik the floppytape driver is still around. |
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| 23:31.08 | SethX | yoshio: i have done a full upgrade |
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| 23:31.21 | emanon | i mean, let's say the hardware still works, is there any way he software and/or the data can be resurrected? |
| 23:31.25 | lolcat | Why cant I move windows between screens? |
| 23:31.42 | yoshio | Agiofws: you want linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 23:32.03 | Agiofws | no because i am using a vanilla kernel |
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| 23:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | yoshio: That's not going to work if he's not running a Debian kernel |
| 23:32.23 | SethX | lolcat: because the windows are solid glass, and the screens are of woven metal/plastic |
| 23:32.42 | SethX | sorry, your nick provoked that. |
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| 23:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | He could have tried the stock kernel by now and seen if it works with his webcam, but for some reason he'd rather complain about it not compiling for him. |
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| 23:34.29 | Agiofws | wonder why on earth a vanilla kernel even exists if distros can't be compatible with it ? |
| 23:34.34 | Agiofws | wonders* |
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| 23:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: They can and are. |
| 23:37.46 | Agiofws | 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. ? |
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| 23:38.09 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: For drawing the menu, yes. |
| 23:38.13 | ikonia | Agiofws: yes, it's what makes the menu |
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| 23:38.37 | Agiofws | yes but which package |
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| 23:38.57 | Agiofws | ok got it |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | Agiofws: which kernel do you have? uname -r? |
| 23:39.05 | yoshio | Agiofws: VIDIOCGCAP is defined in /usr/include/linux/videodev.h , which is in the package linux-libc-dev -- do you have the /usr/include/linux/videodev.h file on your system? |
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| 23:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Suspiciously the same one as lucid. |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | waits to hear from Agiofws |
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| 23:40.01 | Agiofws | yoshio, i know i found out that its defined there i tried to include it in the c source file but it was already there |
| 23:40.13 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.31.6 #3 SMP Mon Nov 30 00:08:58 EET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux abrotman |
| 23:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: In his earlier pastebin he had 2.6.31 |
| 23:40.30 | Agiofws | yoshio, yes i do have the file |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | Agiofws: why are you asking us about a non-debian kernel ? |
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| 23:40.57 | abrotman | Agiofws: if you want to compile a kernel, and have issues compiling out-of-tree modules later .. how is that a Debian problem? |
| 23:41.14 | Agiofws | any reason make menuconfig works only as root ? |
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| 23:41.35 | abrotman | Agiofws: have you tried your camera with a Debian kernel? |
| 23:41.42 | Agiofws | no |
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| 23:42.15 | abrotman | Agiofws: try that .. then come back and talk to us .. we're not going to sit here and debug your possibly mis-compiled kernel |
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| 23:42.57 | yoshio | Agiofws: do you have a symlink /usr/src/linux that points to the correct linux-headers-2.6.xx directory? |
| 23:43.07 | macrobat | are there any other clipboard managers besides parcellite? |
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| 23:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat: klippy |
| 23:43.51 | flock-_ | why my regular users can't list /proc/net ? |
| 23:43.55 | Agiofws | yoshio, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 14 2009-11-26 11:30 linux -> linux-2.6.31.6 ? |
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| 23:44.08 | abrotman | Agiofws: boot the Debian kernel .. stop asking us about your broken kernel |
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| 23:44.16 | macrobat | a clipboard manager that doesn't need kde or gnome? :D |
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| 23:44.40 | Agiofws | yoshio, how can i set the symlink ? |
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| 23:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat aptitude search ~dclipboard ? |
| 23:45.12 | emanon | are there still people around who are knowlegable about QIC-80 tapes and stuff? I know there used to be some of them around. I'm seriously wondering if there's still knowledge to grab until it's too late... ;) |
| 23:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: What do you want to know? |
| 23:45.45 | abrotman | is pretty sure there is a #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:46.16 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: how do i use zcat to do that? |
| 23:46.39 | Agiofws | abrotman, why would my kernel be miscompiled ? |
| 23:46.45 | yoshio | Agiofws: your kernel must have come with a README file showing how to compile the kernel, it should tell you how to set the symlink |
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| 23:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: zcat <source.gz> >> target.txt |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | Agiofws: i'm telling you that #debian is not going to sit here and try to figure out if you've compiled your kernel correctly .. boot the Debian kenrel, then ask us for support |
| 23:47.21 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: and what if there are ten gz files , how do i put them all in one? |
| 23:47.26 | cdave | what is difference dpkg remove and purge ? |
| 23:47.29 | emanon | jhutchins_lt: I actually want to restore stuff from about 12 years ago... |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | cdave: remove leaves config files, purge removes those also |
| 23:48.06 | Agiofws | abrotman, i'm not going to change my whole system to get a web cam driver to work it should work witha vanilla kernel i think |
| 23:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: for $foo in (list of files); do zcat foo >> <target.txt>;done |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: okay .. then ask the people that created the driver .. this isn't a #debian issue as to why your kenrel and that driver don't work |
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| 23:49.17 | yoshio | Agiofws: if you had a Debian kernel, you could just read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README* - there is a readme on third party modules there |
| 23:49.31 | Agiofws | yoshio, where are the linux headers installed in usr/src/linux ? |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | Agiofws: You're offtopic in this channel |
| 23:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | yoshio: Which he probably wouldn't need, as that camera is supported in the debian kernel. |
| 23:50.11 | emanon | jhutchins_lt: and what I kind of implied is the "fear" that one fine day such knowledge might be gone. yeah, that's what I meant. ;) |
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| 23:50.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: If you want to keep asking why your camera doesn't work, boot the Debian kernel .. otherwise, take this conversation somewhere else |
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| 23:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: Ok, what kind of drive is it? SCSI? Floppytape? |
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| 23:51.05 | Agiofws | ok .. i did not know that debian has to work only with a distro kernel |
| 23:51.06 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: i'm sorry, i don't understand. do you mean if i have file1.log and file2.log just do 'zcat file1.log file2.log >> target.txt'? |
| 23:51.11 | emanon | floppytape |
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| 23:51.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: Your problem has nothing to do with Debian .. that's what we're telling you |
| 23:51.40 | Agiofws | i know its not |
| 23:51.51 | Agiofws | but it is a debian issue though |
| 23:51.55 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: I'm not sure that would work, you would do cat file1.log >> target.txt cat file2.log >> target.txt, etc. |
| 23:51.55 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | Agiofws: boot the Debian kernel .. prove it doesn't work with the Debian kernel either |
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| 23:52.27 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: zcat is for flie12.log.gz |
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| 23:53.18 | Agiofws | it will break my system |
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| 23:53.37 | abrotman | well, then ask the person that compiled your kernel why your kernel is broken .. it's not a Debian issue |
| 23:53.48 | Agiofws | i compiled it |
| 23:53.53 | yoshio | Agiofws: install the kernel-package package, then read the README.* files |
| 23:54.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: so, take it elsewhere or boot the Debian kernel |
| 23:54.22 | flock-_ | why my regular users can't list /proc/net ? |
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| 23:54.48 | Agiofws | flock-_, look at the permissions ? |
| 23:55.01 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: We'd be glad to address the issue of why the stock kernel doesn't work for you. |
| 23:55.32 | emanon | yoshia: this was almost poetry! :) |
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| 23:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: Regular users usually shouldn't be poking around in /proc |
| 23:55.47 | Agiofws | i never used a stock kernel and i'm not go into the issue of installing one right now .. i always have and will use vanilla |
| 23:56.04 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: FIne, don't expect support for it here. |
| 23:56.10 | Agiofws | ok |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | Agiofws: then ask ##linux why it doesn't work .. you're offtopic here .. |
| 23:56.29 | abrotman | Agiofws: and your kernel that you're running has a few security issues .. some severe .. have a good day |
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| 23:56.52 | Agiofws | as in ? |
| 23:57.29 | abrotman | I'm sorry, did you want support for that too? |
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| 23:57.45 | emanon | we shall overcome... ;) |
| 23:57.55 | Agiofws | no its ok |
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| 23:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: http://www.math1.rwth-aachen.de/~heine/ftape/ |
