| 00:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Ftape-HOWTO.html |
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| 00:04.34 | emanon | jhutchins_lt: thank you very much! I already knew about some of that, though. i think what I was trying to say was that knowledge is fading with time... |
| 00:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: Well, so is the hardware for that matter, |
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| 00:05.21 | emanon | sure ting |
| 00:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | There is much academic wringing of hands over "how do we preserve our digital heritage". |
| 00:05.42 | emanon | exactly |
| 00:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | That's one of the goals of XML, to have a universal format that can be understood over time. |
| 00:07.38 | jhutchins_lt | I can show you a bankers box full of 3.5" floppies containing the best shareware of FIDONet. |
| 00:08.20 | babilen | FIDONet, good old times. I miss my point and nodelist |
| 00:08.24 | jhutchins_lt | (I'm no longer sure where the 5.25" floppies went.) |
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| 00:08.38 | jhutchins_lt | 1:280/76 |
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| 00:09.20 | emanon | I'm more retro than you are! :) |
| 00:09.31 | emanon | j/k |
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| 00:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: What, you got an 8" drive? |
| 00:09.45 | emanon | yeah! |
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| 00:09.57 | jhutchins_lt | I have a removable 1MB 18" platter... |
| 00:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | (No drive though.) |
| 00:10.19 | emanon | and i even learned to repair paper tapes and punch cards and stuff |
| 00:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | emanon: Ah, but can you sight read tape? |
| 00:11.20 | emanon | pardon me? ;) |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:11.23 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:12.15 | emanon | abrotman: c'mon, this is why i'm here today... |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | paper tapes? #debian-offtopic |
| 00:12.28 | catsup | ssh localhost sh -c "'echo \$#'" 'a b c d'; ssh localhost sh -c "'echo \$#'" a b c d |
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| 00:13.04 | babilen | catsup: wrong console |
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| 00:13.08 | catsup | no |
| 00:13.15 | catsup | check out the output of those commands |
| 00:13.23 | catsup | your mind will be blown >:| |
| 00:13.31 | catsup | (by the stupidity) |
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| 00:14.58 | catsup | ssh joins its command line arguments with spaces and runs the entire thing in a shell. it doesn't pass individual arguments. IOW, it doesn't support arguments containing spaces |
| 00:15.07 | catsup | i just learned this, and i am horrified |
| 00:15.41 | catsup | the worst thing is, it can't even be fixed, because it would break so much old code |
| 00:15.44 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Well, it is ssh not rop. |
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| 00:16.07 | catsup | that's no excuse |
| 00:16.30 | themill | wonders if catsup is going to spend the rest of the night pasting that into every single channel he's in |
| 00:16.33 | catsup | btw i'm not finding rop |
| 00:16.36 | catsup | themill: YES I AM |
| 00:16.38 | catsup | :p |
| 00:17.29 | catsup | i spent the afternoon writing a patch to ssh and now i go to use it, and find out i have to work around this BS |
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| 00:20.32 | catsup | i feel ripped off :/ |
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| 00:23.52 | emanon | did you ever wonder what held me back from contributing? well...just try to be a new-to-debian-person... |
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| 00:27.22 | emanon | i wasn't trolling... |
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| 00:27.57 | abrotman | emanon: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 00:29.45 | emanon | maybe my english is't good enough.. |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | there are large german channels, and an active german mailing list |
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| 00:35.17 | emanon | abrotman: I know all that (but thanks anyway). I'm always RTFM. Always. I'm a geek/nerd. The point I was trying to make was that it appears way too hard to contribute just a tiny little thing. like mentioning a typo. meh! |
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| 00:42.49 | gaidal | I'm trying to install non-free drivers on squeeze for an nVidia card requiring the 96xx legacy drivers according to the Debian nVidia FAQ, and this package says it has no candidate; can't find any reasons or other solutions. |
| 00:44.21 | gaidal | package: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
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| 00:46.26 | abrotman | gaidal: do you have the contrib/non-free repos enabled? |
| 00:46.32 | gaidal | Yes |
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| 00:46.51 | gaidal | Can see the packages in aptsh, just not install them. |
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| 00:49.04 | gaidal | Oh maybe I get it... "This means that Lenny lacks support for the newest and oldest cards, while Squeeze lacks support for most "legacy" cards. " |
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| 01:00.47 | karsten-nr | Debian Policy 9.2.2 defines 60000-64999 as globally allocated UIDs by the Debian project. Are there any such allocations? |
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| 01:05.31 | SethX | hey, who knows what packages provide: fileinfo.so and uploadprogress.so on squeeze? |
| 01:05.47 | SethX | those are php extensions |
| 01:06.01 | karsten-nr | !tell SethX about search |
| 01:06.07 | cosmos2 | what is the command line for |
| 01:06.15 | karsten-nr | SethX: try auto-apt search by preeference. |
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| 01:07.06 | cosmos2 | what is the command line for: open xterm, wait &à seconds, launch a program in /usr/bin? |
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| 01:07.20 | SethX | karsten-nr: dpkg -S /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/fileinfo.so |
| 01:07.22 | SethX | knows nothing |
| 01:07.34 | cosmos2 | > "xterm & wait &à & :usr:bin:prog? |
| 01:07.42 | cosmos2 | sorry |
| 01:07.48 | karsten-nr | SethX: dpkg -S only works for files installed on your system -- or are you saying that that file *is* installed on your system? |
| 01:07.54 | SethX | no its not |
| 01:07.59 | karsten-nr | SethX: If that's the case, check to see that it's not a symlink. |
| 01:08.02 | cosmos2 | "xterm & wait 10 & /usr/bin/programme? |
| 01:08.05 | SethX | so, use apt-file ? |
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| 01:08.15 | karsten-nr | SethX: OK. auto-apt or apt-file can find files *anywhere* in the Debian archive. After you update them. |
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| 01:09.09 | SethX | karsten-nr: apt-file search fileinfo.so |
| 01:09.12 | SethX | also returns nothing |
| 01:09.20 | SethX | and i ran apt-file update just prior |
| 01:09.29 | SethX | does that mean i've got a problem? |
| 01:09.29 | karsten-nr | SethX: It's always possible that they aren't packaged :) |
| 01:09.39 | karsten-nr | SethX: ... and I'm checking that myself. |
| 01:11.25 | karsten-nr | cosmos2: What are you trying to do?] |
| 01:11.36 | SethX | damn, now i killed my apache. |
| 01:11.38 | karsten-nr | SethX: It means that your solution lies outside of the apt packaging system. |
| 01:11.48 | karsten-nr | SethX: the only good indian ... nevermind. |
| 01:12.05 | SethX | that SOB |
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| 01:12.38 | karsten-nr | SethX: What PHP package is this supposed to be? |
| 01:13.17 | SethX | no idea, but php is complaining its missing. |
| 01:14.01 | cosmos2 | karsten-nr: I want to launch xterm, then, once the xterm is starting, wait 10s, and automatically write on "processing" |
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| 01:15.55 | karsten-nr | cosmos2: xterm & ( sleep 10; some-command-foo ) |
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| 01:16.13 | karsten-nr | cosmos2: /join #bash for simple scripting / bash issues. |
| 01:16.22 | karsten-nr | (or not-so-simple); |
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| 01:16.49 | cosmos2 | karsten-nr: ok thanks! |
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| 01:45.05 | stropwq | Hello, using xterm I have a very strange result, using xterm on Debian I get a nice clean blue color for directories, but on Gentoo I get a Dark blue instead, I tried to change it using LS_COLORS with no result, any idea about that? |
| 01:45.42 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: you'll have to be more specific about what you're asking |
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| 01:46.42 | stropwq | why on Debian directory colors has a nice blue and why on Gentoo is more "dark", gentoo & debian uses di=01,34 so in theory it's same color, but I don't know why :( |
| 01:46.52 | stropwq | on BSD I have same problem too. |
| 01:46.54 | franki^ | stropwq: You can specify the colours that Xterm uses in .Xresources or .Xdefaults (I think) |
| 01:47.12 | kce | It should be in .Xdefaults |
| 01:47.33 | franki^ | My .Xresources is a symlink to .Xdefaults, heh |
| 01:47.34 | stropwq | so, its a xterm color instead of LS_COLOR? |
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| 01:47.44 | kce | stropwq: Yes. |
| 01:48.02 | stropwq | it has sence now!, how can I see wich colors uses by default? |
| 01:48.19 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: dircolors; is how it specifies the colors |
| 01:48.35 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: and the terminal display is responsible for mapping the escape sequences into actual colors |
| 01:48.54 | flock-_ | is it possible to give access to proc/net to the users? when I try to ls it as normal user it says /proc/net$ ls ls: reading directory .: Invalid argument |
| 01:49.08 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: presumably you're not displaying the bold attribute, and the color is being changed instead to indicate the bold attribute |
| 01:49.09 | stropwq | dondelelcaro: how to see default escape secuences on xterm? |
| 01:49.37 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: it's already giving you them. 01;34 is the color escape sequence |
| 01:49.47 | stropwq | I use di=01,34 sor bold blue |
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| 01:50.04 | stropwq | ok, so how can I fix them? sorry my english. |
| 01:50.05 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: yes, which is how Debian will render it normally. |
| 01:50.12 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: what's to fix? it's working properly in Debian |
| 01:50.22 | stropwq | yes, but only on debian xD |
| 01:50.40 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: well, if you have a problem with something that's not Debian, this isn't the place to ask |
| 01:50.48 | stropwq | that's my problem, why only works on debian an not others :(, I see bold blue, but on debian is more cool. |
| 01:51.04 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: but your problem is almost certainly because it's not properly obeying the bold attribute, and is instead using the color to indicate bold |
| 01:51.09 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: man xterm; and read about -bdc |
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| 01:52.56 | stropwq | dondelelcaro: looks strange, but my problem is not bold, i'ts only that blue debian is more "lightblue" and I don't understand why, same problem on gentoo and red hat. |
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| 01:54.50 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: actually, it is. Read the manpage where it talks about boldColor and -bdc, which controls how text with the bold attribute is displayed |
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| 01:55.40 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: for example, compare and contrast xterm +pc; with xterm -pc; |
| 01:56.35 | stropwq | yes, thanks for this information, have you an idea how to use "lightblue" similar to cyan but blue then? |
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| 01:57.33 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: change the dircolors database to use a different color |
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| 01:58.04 | dondelelcaro | (it's 36 instead of 34) |
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| 01:59.14 | stropwq | yes, but it's a pure cyan then, thank a lot but is something hard to explain for me now :( |
| 01:59.32 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: vt100 escapes don't support more than those colors |
| 01:59.54 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: if you want to do something else, then it will be very terminal specific, which is kind of stupid |
| 01:59.58 | stropwq | yes, but in debian (only in debian!) its a very nice blue, and on gentoo/fedora sucks. |
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| 02:00.09 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: did you even try xterm -pc versus xterm +pc? |
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| 02:01.10 | stropwq | yes, it's changes to more dark, but it changes, i just want more "ligth" |
| 02:01.45 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: try it on Debian, and see, and then compare it to gentoo or whatever. |
| 02:01.52 | stropwq | i will try to fins some png on internet |
| 02:02.11 | stropwq | yes, I have both pc now tring to see something, and it uses same LS_COLORS |
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| 02:02.42 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: the LS_COLORS are the same; the only difference is the settings of xterm, which you can find out yourself by reading the manpage. |
| 02:04.06 | stropwq | I use same params on both xterms |
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| 02:08.11 | stropwq | dondelelcaro: ok, I will do a screnshoot |
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| 02:09.51 | flock-_ | is it possible to give access to proc/net to the users? when I try to ls it as normal user it says /proc/net$ ls ls: reading directory .: Invalid argument~ |
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| 02:10.53 | dondelelcaro | flock-_: a normal user should be able to ls /proc/net |
| 02:11.03 | flock-_ | well but he can't |
| 02:11.04 | flock-_ | :| |
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| 02:13.14 | dondelelcaro | flock-_: uh... the user who is running ls should be able to unless you're running selinux or similar |
| 02:13.51 | dondelelcaro | flock-_: keep it in the channel. |
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| 02:16.18 | flock-_ | oh ok |
| 02:16.28 | flock-_ | and dondelelcaro its possible to turn off selinux? |
| 02:17.10 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: It's off by default |
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| 02:17.31 | flock-_ | so shoulnd't be that the problem |
| 02:17.39 | dondelelcaro | flock-_: if you're running Debian, yes. |
| 02:17.50 | flock-_ | yes I am running debian |
| 02:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2010-11-17 20:17 /proc/net -> self/net |
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| 02:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | squeezze, but I doubt it matters |
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| 02:19.34 | flock-_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Nov 18 03:19 /proc/net -> self/net |
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| 02:20.17 | flock-_ | ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 02:20.32 | solidrock | do debian have selinux? |
| 02:20.40 | yvesbond | any recommendation for graphical boot-up package? |
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| 02:21.47 | abrotman | yvesbond: there are only a couple that work IIRC |
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| 02:22.16 | yvesbond | names, pls. |
| 02:22.27 | yvesbond | for squeeze. |
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| 02:23.52 | magyar | hi |
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| 02:24.45 | yvesbond | abrotman: is Plymouth suitable? installed it but no effect |
| 02:25.01 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.01 | magyar | i use squeeze with kde and firefox is glitching on some websites to a complete halt. What could it be? |
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| 02:26.55 | un214 | plymouth = bad news |
| 02:27.27 | un214 | is't part of why I left ubuntu |
| 02:28.11 | un214 | and if the debian team messes with sysvinit or adds manditory junk like plymouth I'll dump debian too |
| 02:28.49 | yvesbond | un214: what would u recommend for graphical boot? |
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| 02:29.00 | yvesbond | in debian squeeze? |
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| 02:29.02 | un214 | I cannot use graphical boot due to driver issues |
| 02:29.37 | un214 | no way to transition from fbcon back to vgaconsole |
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| 02:30.17 | s3a | How do I solve this problem?: debian:~# sudo mount /dev/mapper/testingVGCREATE-testlv /mnt/temp2 |
| 02:30.17 | s3a | mount: /dev/mapper/testingVGCREATE-testlv: can't read superblock |
| 02:31.32 | s3a | i'm using a flash drive with ext4 and lvm2 |
| 02:32.30 | solidrock | guys could you help me find a good documentation link for xen on debian lenny |
| 02:33.07 | karlpinc | s3a: Your kernel may not have ext4 support. If not then you'll need one from backports.org. |
| 02:33.23 | yvesbond | how about bootsplash for graphical boot-up? |
| 02:34.06 | karlpinc | s3a: (Although that's a guess, you'll want to test it.) |
| 02:35.01 | s3a | karlpinc, i'm using squeeze |
| 02:35.25 | karlpinc | s3a: Humm. Is the vg active? |
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| 02:35.47 | s3a | karlpinc, tell me the command and i'll tell you if i did it |
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| 02:36.06 | abrotman | yvesbond: how about you try it and let us know |
| 02:36.08 | oOarthurOo | greetings... looking for a way to fake an F3 keypress and pass it to nautilus... |
| 02:36.21 | oOarthurOo | or just fake a keypress would be enough to get me started. |
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| 02:36.43 | un214 | oOarthurOo: depends on how much work you want to do |
| 02:36.58 | karlpinc | s3a: Perhaps vgdisplay would show activeness? |
| 02:37.09 | oOarthurOo | I found a package called libfakekey0 that seems to be relevant, but unfortunatley has no manpage, documentation under usr/share/doc or any online material either |
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| 02:37.26 | oOarthurOo | un214, not wanting to compile anything... scripting is ok |
| 02:37.39 | karlpinc | s3a: (I think it's "vgchange -a y ..." that activates it. |
| 02:37.42 | un214 | oOarthurOo: then my idea won't help you |
| 02:37.47 | oOarthurOo | :) |
| 02:38.14 | yvesbond | abrotman: if i can't get answers for it, that would be the next best thing to do. |
| 02:38.39 | s3a | karlpinc, i did that and http://pastebin.com/GMJNPrem so all seems good |
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| 02:38.59 | catsup | oOarthurOo: X? http://linux.die.net/man/8/xsendkeycode |
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| 02:39.40 | yvesbond | I get this from a site. "Windows and Mac OS X have a graphical boot process, as do all the most popular versions of Linux, including Fedora Core (Red Hat), SUSE, and Mandrake. Debian lacks one." Is this fair comment? |
| 02:40.01 | catsup | yvesbond: install slashy |
| 02:40.07 | catsup | splashy |
| 02:40.17 | karlpinc | !tell yvesbond about search |
| 02:40.44 | un214 | need to get 445MB of archives. After this operation 166kb of additional disk space will be used |
| 02:40.47 | karlpinc | yvesbond: See also debtags. |
| 02:41.23 | yvesbond | catsup: splashy, tried that some years ago. was buggy and unstable. hope it has improved. |
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| 02:41.51 | yvesbond | karlpinc: thks, will read up more on debtags first. |
| 02:42.04 | oOarthurOo | catsup, looks pretty good, is there a debian package? |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | yvesbond: it lacks one by default, but you can install one |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | wonders who watches the computer boot anyway |
| 02:42.43 | oOarthurOo | catsup, nm lineakd |
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| 02:45.06 | yvesbond | abrotman: if you have to boot, you won't walk away or close your eyes until applications come up, would u? |
| 02:45.42 | stropwq | dondelelcaro: looks like I find the correct way, now I need to find correct color, trick it's doing .Xdefaults and put something like *VT100*color12: DeepSkyBlue, so it VT100*color12 what I need to touch :) |
| 02:46.02 | s3a | karlpinc, so any ideas on what's wrong with my lvm2 flash drive? |
| 02:46.19 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: if you want to screw with the VT100 color table, that's how you do it. |
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| 02:49.14 | stropwq | dondelelcaro: wich table I need to find colors like "skyblue" for example? or I can put any color here? it's a good way using vt100*color12 then? |
| 02:51.32 | s3a | karlpinc, this might be useful information about my problem: http://pastebin.com/kyshruEw |
| 02:51.50 | s3a | (if anyone else can help me with my lvm2 problem that'd be great too :) ) |
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| 02:54.13 | dondelelcaro | stropwq: they're X11 colors. I don't think it's a good idea, but it's your computer. Do whatever you want |
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| 02:54.58 | kj4 | o mi hed |
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| 03:00.47 | karlpinc | s3a: Oh well, he's gone. But it looks like his problem is that he's not root when attempting to activate the lvm. |
| 03:00.49 | stropwq | thanks for all dondelelcaro have a nice day ;) |
| 03:00.53 | karlpinc | s/lvm/vg/ |
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| 03:09.29 | ryan_ | any tips to get flash workig in debian? |
| 03:09.42 | ryan_ | do i need to be using unstable? |
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| 03:10.06 | ryan_ | flashplugin-nonfree is installed and so is firefox |
| 03:10.33 | kj4 | is squeeze for me? |
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| 03:16.10 | ryan_ | exit |
| 03:17.03 | un214 | so there is a way to get real firefox on debian then? |
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| 03:17.54 | karlpinc | I'm running lenny and would like to move from xpdf to poppler. Is the lenny version of poppler-utils mature enough to replace xpdf-utils? Is there an xpdf replacment that uses libpoppler? |
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| 03:18.26 | karlpinc | un214: You can probably install it from mozilla. But why? iceweasel is firefox with the label removed. Who cares about the label? |
| 03:18.55 | un214 | some right click glitch |
| 03:19.05 | karlpinc | un214: If you want something newer for lenny use <bdo>. |
| 03:19.20 | un214 | uh I've got squeeze |
| 03:19.22 | stew | un214: is there a bug filed about it? |
| 03:19.37 | papabaer_ | hello, where can I tune the options for removeable devices in gnome for automounting( ie set option force for hfsplus? ) |
| 03:19.42 | un214 | not until I know if it's firefox or kde or X that's causing it |
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| 03:20.13 | stew | un214: can you file one? |
| 03:20.23 | un214 | I can |
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| 03:28.22 | yogi | how can I start a program from /etc/rc.local but running as a specific user? |
| 03:29.32 | abrotman | man su |
| 03:30.47 | yogi | abrotman: "The su command is used to become another user during a login session." |
| 03:31.04 | abrotman | keep reading |
| 03:31.04 | yogi | is /etc/rc.local a login session? or close enough? |
| 03:31.12 | yogi | 8^) |
| 03:31.56 | yogi | abrotman: ..."subsystem login"... ? |
| 03:32.26 | abrotman | su - <username> -c "command" |
| 03:33.22 | yogi | abrotman: thanks! |
| 03:34.41 | un214 | bug filed |
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| 04:27.06 | LoRez | lolcat^ [~lolcat@unaffiliated/energy-/x-7653247] |
| 04:27.20 | lolcat^ | Oh, it allready isn't affliated? |
| 04:27.41 | lolcat^ | I thougth I had an affliated cloak. |
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| 04:31.17 | lolcat^ | I thougth I was in #defocus xD |
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| 04:32.52 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:33.11 | Bop | NO EXCUSES , BAN ! |
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| 04:33.13 | Bop | :> |
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| 04:53.40 | rwp | tharkun, When you start the install IIRC walk through all of the F1, F2, F3 screens. One of them will have documentation on how to deal with picky monitors. |
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| 04:54.36 | rwp | Assuming you are talking about during the installation. |
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| 04:55.18 | rwp | If it is after the install and during the boot then Control-Alt-F1 to get to a text console and from there can tinker with the running system. |
| 04:55.47 | tharkun | rwp: wrong assumption. I changed the monitor because the one i used to install it broke down. |
| 04:56.22 | tharkun | i know i can tinker from tty but i don't know the specific command to change resolution of the initial login screen |
| 04:57.46 | rwp | Well it is Lenny which still has an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. So you would need to make modifications there. (In Sid/Squeeze things are more automatic and you don't need that file most of the time.) |
| 04:58.10 | rwp | Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and have it help you through the config. That would be my first recommendation. |
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| 04:58.36 | rwp | Here is a good kickoff for some docs: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 05:00.22 | rwp | Also 'man xorg.conf' for details of that config format. You can manually force a different resolution. But hoping that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will do the job more easily. |
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| 05:03.28 | tharkun | rwp: taking notes on that i hope it works. It will have to wait until tomorrow morning so i can check it. Thx for the slap on the right direction |
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| 05:13.12 | \3TATUK | Is there a command line to retrieve refresh rate? |
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| 05:15.56 | \3TATUK | oh xrandr |
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| 05:22.17 | debperm | anyone know how to reset the permissions to /home/ for all users? |
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| 05:27.04 | debperm | anyone? |
| 05:28.22 | debperm | i need some help resetting the permissions to a /home/user back to the user, anyone know how to do this in debian? |
| 05:28.43 | sweetpi | permissions or ownership? |
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| 05:29.17 | debperm | i don't know, but i can't write to /home/user without sudo |
| 05:29.57 | debperm | even after sudo chmod 777 -R /home/user |
| 05:30.17 | sweetpi | chown user.user /home/user |
| 05:30.24 | sweetpi | *user.group |
| 05:30.58 | debperm | what is the default group for user that debian provides? |
| 05:31.01 | debperm | upon install? |
| 05:31.11 | sweetpi | same as the user |
| 05:31.39 | debperm | sweetpi: thanks, i think that fixed it |
| 05:31.58 | debperm | i was trying to startx and i had trouble so I ctrl+c'ed it, and the permissions got messed up somehow |
| 05:32.31 | sweetpi | np, you might want to do that recursively |
| 05:32.50 | debperm | ok, put the -R in there and re-ran |
| 05:33.25 | sweetpi | and chmod back to 655 recursively :) |
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| 05:33.52 | debperm | ok, done with that too, thanks sweetpi, i was lost on the internet with that one |
| 05:36.15 | sweetpi | actually 655 wouldnt be what you want, you wouldnt have execute on dirs |
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| 05:36.33 | debperm | what should i use then if not 655? |
| 05:37.12 | sweetpi | u+rwX |
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| 05:38.06 | debperm | sweetpi: ok, did that too |
| 05:38.29 | debperm | sweetpi: is there not a debian program to do all this for you? |
| 05:38.48 | sweetpi | I think there is actually, but i cant remember the name of it |
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| 05:41.54 | debperm | sweetpi: anyway, thanks for your help again, it fixed my problem fast (and the internet didn't help) |
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| 05:44.36 | psycho23 | I need advice: I have so many debian packages installed, do I have to go through each one to tell me which ones are actually useful to me? |
| 05:44.37 | sweetpi | debperm: np |
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| 05:45.23 | debperm | psycho23: maybe you can go through synaptic and organize them by categories to make your search go faster? |
| 05:45.39 | psycho23 | What I want is to know which commands would be useful |
| 05:46.29 | psycho23 | for i in /usr/bin/* ; do man `basename $i` ; done |
| 05:47.12 | yvesbond | Got Plymouth working on Squeeze. The selected Plymouth theme only appears briefly during the boot-down. During boot-up, it is the default Debian theme. anyone her working on this? |
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| 05:49.57 | sweetpi | psycho23: if your really that worried about it, do a minimal install and only add what you use |
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| 05:54.52 | everyman | when using git, what's the message `fatal: cannot copy the /host/path/to/pre-rebase to /local/path/to/pre-rebase` ? |
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| 05:55.04 | everyman | Is the permission -rw-r--r-- correct? |
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| 05:56.46 | everyman | **what does the message `fatal: cannot copy the /host/path/to/pre-rebase to /local/path/to/pre-rebase` mean?** |
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| 06:08.36 | elephanthunter | Hey, I'm creating a new deb package based on a debian package from a similar, but different application. The person who made the other debian package took the time to mention himself in the copyright file. I want to add information about the project I am packaging to the copyright file, but I don't know how I should alter it. |
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| 06:14.04 | snddown | my sound is not working on anything local, how do i reinstall alsa? |
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| 06:20.34 | joltcan | snddown: apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base? |
| 06:21.07 | snddown | joltcan: does that reinstall the alsa modules to the kernel also? |
| 06:22.37 | joltcan | snddown: No, that is just the installed package |
| 06:22.56 | joltcan | snddown: To remove alsa from kernel, do lsmod |grep alsa, then you probably have to remove them all by rmmod |
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| 06:23.38 | cahoot | gre for snd |
| 06:23.40 | joltcan | Not sure if reinstalling will do you any good. Its propably better to try and find what the problem is by other means |
| 06:23.42 | cahoot | grep |
| 06:24.11 | snddown | i have no /dev/snd |
| 06:24.20 | Dewi | but you must scream? |
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| 06:24.56 | snddown | cahoot: i have a feeling the alsa kernel module became corrupt |
| 06:25.12 | snddown | cahoot: so i don't want to recompile the kernel from source, so i thought a package could fix it? |
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| 06:27.55 | jyper | My hardware wireless network adapter button isn't working, id their any software to enable it or it a hardware only issue? |
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| 06:29.24 | snddown | jyper: does the button work before debian is booted? |
| 06:29.58 | jyper | no |
| 06:30.06 | snddown | jyper: sounds hardware to me |
| 06:30.13 | jyper | thanks |
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| 06:31.06 | snddown | cahoot: any suggestions? |
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| 06:33.03 | snddown | my sound is not working on anything local, how do i reinstall alsa kernel modules without compiling the kernel? |
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| 06:43.02 | penguindudette | Hi, I have 4gb of ram and an intel t4300...should i go for 32 bit or 64? |
| 06:43.17 | penguindudette | Are there any differences? |
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| 06:46.16 | franki^ | penguindudette: I'd go with 64bit, others might disagree. There are no huge differences, if you're worried about your RAM you can get a 32bit bigmem kernel |
| 06:46.57 | franki^ | penguindudette: Closed source apps might be easier to install on 32bit, if you're into that kind of thing |
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| 06:47.46 | penguindudette | franki^, I see.. do you have a link about 32 bit kernel so I can learn more? I'm a beginner. |
| 06:48.21 | franki^ | !bigmem |
| 06:48.22 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 06:48.37 | franki^ | Hm, no link there.. |
| 06:48.48 | penguindudette | Thanks so much franki. |
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| 08:13.58 | Zaca12 | hi there, I'm currently experiencing an issue where I have a samba domain setup with about 50 windows XP pcs connecting to this domain, my netlogon script maps a linux samba mount onto these windows xp pcs and updates the time and that's all. Every time that a windows xp pc gets rebooted, the user settings are reset, all settings and user profile configurations etc. Does anyone know what is causing this? |
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| 08:46.59 | optraz | hi, how do i convert a word(mandarin/arabic) to unicode? example, ä½ å¥½ to 4F60597D |
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| 08:53.18 | optraz | hi, how do i convert a word(mandarin/arabic) to unicode? example, ä½ å¥½ to 4F60597D |
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| 08:57.08 | spliffi | does anybody know about a good package for traffic counting via MAC/IP, plotting graphs of produces traffic by MAC and maybe some other features? |
| 08:58.34 | spliffi | Iam using a bunch of perl scripts combined with ipac, to do so, but this is a big mess and quite historical |
| 08:58.38 | Zaca12 | hi there, I'm currently experiencing an issue where I have a samba domain setup with about 50 windows XP pcs connecting to this domain, my netlogon script maps a linux samba mount onto these windows xp pcs and updates the time and that's all. Every time that a windows xp pc gets rebooted, the user settings are reset, all settings and user profile configurations etc. Does anyone know what is causing this? |
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| 08:58.52 | spliffi | Iam wondering if there is a nice bundle/package out there to have this working... |
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| 09:00.51 | Bushmills | spliffi: for mere accounting, stub iptables rules would do. for graphing, a package like cacti or munin would do |
| 09:01.08 | Bushmills | collectd is recommended by some |
| 09:04.09 | Bushmills | alternatively, look at ntop |
| 09:04.09 | spliffi | @ Bushmills, yep Iam using stub iptables right now... |
| 09:04.09 | spliffi | thx for the hint, I#ll check it out |
| 09:04.09 | Bushmills | i'm using munin myself. i can send PM you a link to some sample graphs, monitoring traffic per ip addres |
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| 09:22.48 | TeddyB | I tend to prefer to use the testing branch... my systems continue to update from testing repositories |
| 09:22.58 | mbruins | perhaps i can ask it different |
| 09:23.23 | mbruins | i just read this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/11/msg00006.html and i would like to try it out on a computer i dont use |
| 09:23.44 | mbruins | but im a newb and not sure if i go from lenny and then update to testing |
| 09:23.45 | TeddyB | if you want to use squeeze as a stable OS it may be a good idea to wait a couple months till it is officially released as stable. |
| 09:24.20 | mbruins | once i updated to testing will i have that version of squeeze i just posted the link of? |
| 09:24.27 | mbruins | hope its a bit understandable this way |
| 09:25.12 | TeddyB | I see |
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| 09:25.55 | TeddyB | per the paragraph received today from debian-user mailing list |
| 09:26.11 | sameerynho | does gpg public key for debian lenny expired? |
| 09:27.03 | Bushmills | spliffi: your iptables stub rules and munin can interface. |
| 09:27.18 | TeddyB | If you plan to install a fresh Debian system in the near future, please consider installing Debian "Squeeze" with the debian installer availible at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 09:28.37 | mbruins | TeddyB: im verry sorry for some reason i did not notice that |
| 09:28.44 | mbruins | TeddyB: thanks for youre help so far |
| 09:28.44 | TeddyB | looking at the page I think thats what your looking for mbruins, it's the Beta1 release |
| 09:29.21 | mbruins | i understand i do not have the knowlage to keep the beta version running as desktop but i just want to try it on a computer im not using |
| 09:30.18 | TeddyB | Sounds like a good idea. I was considering playing with it under a VM. I am running testing on this system and backtrack on my laptop |
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| 09:30.58 | mbruins | TeddyB: im running testing aswell on my desktop did no break to far.. |
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| 09:33.41 | TeddyB | I actually don't see the link to the beta1 page from the announcement you had either... guess it helps to be on the mailing list. LOL |
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| 10:00.59 | ycas | Hello. My messages logfile has recently started producing errors. What is strange is that the errors occur on the same times. Does anyone have a hint? Here's the log: http://ycas.pastebin.com/EuFm1RP1 |
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| 10:01.26 | ycas | Dunno if it's some harddisk dying or so; the timing is odd to me. |
| 10:01.44 | ov3rmind | hi to all |
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| 10:02.31 | Bushmills | ycas: I/O errors or CRC errors on hard disks can be signs for bearings worn down |
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| 10:03.01 | Bushmills | those disks have been in continuous use for about 2 or 3 years? |
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| 10:04.20 | Bushmills | 6:25 is most likely an action, triggered by your crontab |
| 10:04.22 | ycas | Bushmills: yes |
| 10:04.37 | ycas | got them running in may 2008 |
| 10:04.49 | Bushmills | backup the drives, to have everything at hand in case the problem gets worse |
| 10:05.26 | ycas | they are constantly being backed up, luckily. |
| 10:05.36 | ycas | but to need to worry immediately? |
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| 10:08.18 | Bushmills | not today or tomorrow, i'd say. but over months, the problem may get worse |
| 10:08.42 | ycas | thanks a lot! |
| 10:10.30 | ycas | one more question, as I am not fit in hardware issues. it's my first debia server and so far, setup and maintenance have been really smooth: how do I see which hard disk is concerned? |
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| 10:13.36 | Trewas | ycas: the first error in the logs is "ata bus error" and continues with bus reset, so the error could be also on the controller... but it finds sda after the bus reset, so it should be the disk in the first sata connector |
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| 10:14.26 | Bushmills | ycas: fdisk -l |
| 10:14.44 | ycas | Thank you all! |
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| 10:25.00 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:25.01 | Agiofws | whats the opposite of insmod ? |
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| 10:26.02 | nsadmin | insert a kernel inside a module? |
| 10:26.34 | Agiofws | rmmod |
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| 10:27.01 | nsadmin | or with deps... modprobe/modprobe -r |
| 10:27.14 | simonrvn | !rmmod |
| 10:27.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 10:27.34 | nsadmin | well we did use rmmod |
| 10:27.49 | simonrvn | nyah |
| 10:27.56 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:28.11 | nsadmin | there didn't used to be deps with modules tho |
| 10:29.15 | simonrvn | not a lot no |
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| 10:29.28 | simonrvn | at one time there wasn't at all |
| 10:30.08 | simonrvn | tmk |
| 10:30.20 | Agiofws | whats the file to insert a module to load on boot up ? |
| 10:30.29 | Agiofws | aliases ? |
| 10:30.55 | simonrvn | i don't remember seeing any in 2.4 |
| 10:31.11 | nsadmin | well there is/was /etc/modules |
| 10:31.14 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 10:31.28 | Agiofws | :/etc/modprobe.d$ ? |
| 10:31.37 | Agiofws | ok rc.local then it is |
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| 10:31.53 | nsadmin | well that would be a copout to a degree |
| 10:31.57 | nsadmin | but it would work' |
| 10:32.04 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.10 | nsadmin | there should also be a program called modconf |
| 10:32.12 | Agiofws | is there any other file i could use ? |
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| 10:32.35 | nsadmin | in package modconf |
| 10:32.37 | nsadmin | it |
| 10:32.53 | nsadmin | is an ncurses/dialog app |
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| 10:33.46 | Agiofws | that would use the kernels module this was an external one |
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| 10:33.50 | simonrvn | Agiofws: why would you put it in rc.local? |
| 10:34.04 | Agiofws | how would it load ? |
| 10:34.35 | simonrvn | just because there's a dir with a similar name doesn't stop you from using that file. it's done at boot... |
| 10:34.59 | Agiofws | are you sure the module will load on boot ? |
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| 10:35.24 | nsadmin | debian likes this thing called run-parts |
| 10:35.34 | nsadmin | which runs everything it finds in a dir |
| 10:35.40 | Hardisk | Hey, I have some issues with Openfwwf, I can't get it to work on my BCM4322 |
| 10:35.47 | simonrvn | ,info module-init-tools |
| 10:35.48 | judd | Package module-init-tools (admin, important) in lenny/i386: tools for managing Linux kernel modules. Version: 3.4-1; Size: 68.0k; Installed: 288k; Homepage: http://www.kerneltools.org/ |
| 10:35.49 | Agiofws | wwf ? |
| 10:35.49 | Hardisk | any help? |
| 10:36.16 | Hardisk | I did this : http://www.gnewsense.org/Documentation/Wireless#b43 |
| 10:36.25 | nsadmin | "some issues" "can't get it to work" |
| 10:36.41 | Hardisk | I just told you some more infos :) |
| 10:36.48 | nsadmin | true... |
| 10:36.53 | simonrvn | see that 'important'? it means it's installed at install. |
| 10:37.14 | nsadmin | but mainly need what happened when you did each step |
| 10:37.15 | Hardisk | Neither networkmanager and ifconfig see my wireless thingy |
| 10:37.26 | nsadmin | and ifconfig -a? |
| 10:37.27 | Hardisk | every step worked |
| 10:37.29 | Hardisk | same |
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| 10:37.44 | Hardisk | I only have lo and eth0 |
| 10:37.54 | nsadmin | so right now look at the output of ifconfig -a |
| 10:38.13 | Hardisk | yes |
| 10:38.25 | nsadmin | changed? |
| 10:38.31 | Hardisk | nop |
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| 10:39.55 | Hardisk | so yeah |
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| 10:40.11 | Hardisk | I did all they say on the gnewsense doc as it was well writtent |
| 10:40.13 | Hardisk | -t |
| 10:40.22 | Hardisk | but I don't have wifi |
| 10:41.05 | Trewas | Hardisk: does dmesg report anything after installing the module? |
| 10:41.23 | Trewas | and isn't there some more official firmware available anyway |
| 10:41.23 | Hardisk | well I do have something, hang on a second |
| 10:41.25 | nsadmin | that usually means the driver isn't inserted (or in the case of firmware might not have been installed properly) |
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| 10:43.03 | norbert_ | hi, I have ffmpeg from backports and tried converting a file to .flv with "-acodec libmp3lame" and with "-acodec mp3", but it keeps returning: Unknown encoder 'mp3' |
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| 10:44.33 | somiaj | norbert_: you will have to install lame which isn't in debian |
| 10:44.38 | somiaj | norbert_: but can be installed in debian |
| 10:44.53 | somiaj | norbert_: I suggest using ogg files if you just want audio |
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| 10:45.47 | norbert_ | $ lame |
| 10:45.52 | norbert_ | appears to return: |
| 10:45.55 | norbert_ | LAME 32bits version 3.98.2 (http://www.mp3dev.org/) [...] |
| 10:46.28 | norbert_ | somiaj: or is that just an executable and do I still need to get libraries? |
| 10:47.25 | vtts | norbert_, original debian package does not include encoding parts for most of the codecs |
| 10:47.49 | vtts | norbert_, try http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 10:47.54 | norbert_ | ok, thanks; already running configure |
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| 10:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | a bug where the program crashes my X session is "critical" because it "makes unrelated software on the system break", I guess, yesno? |
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| 10:52.23 | norbert_ | lenny-backports and debian-multimedia both seem to have the 831kB (when unpacked) version from 20080206 |
| 10:52.26 | norbert_ | and neither is working |
| 10:52.39 | norbert_ | I might have to recompile ffmpeg with --enable-libmp3lame myself |
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| 10:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would say X is "unrelated software" ... but does crashing X "break" it? |
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| 10:57.39 | Trewas | CutMeOwnThroat: no, if it still works after restarting |
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| 10:59.56 | Trewas | CutMeOwnThroat: and anyway the right place for bug might be X, not the program that crashes it |
| 11:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it might... but then this is the only program that's managed to do so... |
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| 11:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might, as nothing should be able to do that |
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| 11:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Trewas, and sure... it just restarts, but ... well, it's a damn nuisance, as it takes all other windowed programs with it... |
| 11:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps it just makes me angry :-/ |
| 11:05.38 | trebuchet | someone somewhere is angry about computer software programs? |
| 11:05.49 | Penix | bunkum! |
| 11:06.07 | nsadmin | gee! no, geeteehee |
| 11:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
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| 11:07.46 | norbert_ | ok, ffmpeg now works |
| 11:08.10 | norbert_ | (installed latest lame; compiled latest ffmpeg with ./configure --enable-libmp3lame) |
| 11:08.15 | norbert_ | gotta go |
| 11:09.40 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know if the command line php interpreter runs with a separate php.ini? |
| 11:10.30 | Vroomfondle | not by default |
| 11:10.39 | Vroomfondle | though IIRC there's a CLI flag you can set to make it do so |
| 11:11.10 | Vroomfondle | though of course you may have your mod_php set up to use a custom ini file location rather than the default... |
| 11:11.31 | D4rKr0W | yeah, i have a software that manages multiple domains |
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| 11:11.58 | D4rKr0W | i can access the single domain .ini files but im pretty sure its using a different ini file for the cli |
| 11:12.20 | D4rKr0W | thanks though, i'll look into it |
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| 11:13.02 | D4rKr0W | takes a look at /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
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| 11:13.55 | D4rKr0W | should have done so earlier :P |
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| 11:16.40 | freakynl | hi, we have an old debian machine that didn't do what it's supposed to do anymore due to being out of memory (only has 64M and 128M swap). Anyways I created a 1G file on /var to function as additional swap. /var is a separate partition. Now, can I just add this to fstab or will it mount swaps before /var (in which case it might bork out)? I'm remote so I don't want to risk it not coming up |
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| 11:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not being able to switch swap on shouldn't prevent it from coming up |
| 11:18.03 | freakynl | yea it should not, but I'd rather not risk it :) |
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| 11:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if one swap space is not available the other one would still get switched on |
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| 11:43.20 | freakynl | CutMeOwnThroat: fyi it came up nicely, I put it at the bottom of the fstab file. Thanks :) |
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| 11:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well done, then |
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| 11:53.05 | bolt | how can I find out why one of my boxes is at 98% wa and 47.16 load? |
| 11:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try iotop? |
| 11:54.23 | SPF | or htop |
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| 11:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or simply top, look what process stays in a wait state |
| 11:55.25 | bartvk | Hey guys. I compiled a custom kernel with make-kpkg. Using stable. How can I add it best to grub? |
| 11:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had that once a couple of years ago when something was wrong with usb caused usb sticks to linger afterwards... |
| 11:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I saw the processes that caused it but couldn't kill them... so reboot was the only thing |
| 11:56.45 | bolt | i think it's some problems with my nfs.. |
| 11:56.54 | bolt | i tried switching from sshfs to nfsv4 yesterday |
| 11:56.59 | bolt | i've had some weird problems since |
| 11:57.26 | bolt | pidgin complains about the certificate for msn, and one of the boxes is showing this wa thing |
| 11:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bartvk, just install the package? Usually post-installation scripts take care of it.... so should yours if everything goes well... |
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| 11:58.10 | bolt | i've always been told that nfs is superior to sshfs in many ways, especially since i'm using it for my home directory. but still, nfsv4 seems to cause all sorts of weird issues for me |
| 11:58.26 | bartvk | CutMeOwnThroat hmmm weird, yes that was what I was expecting. OK I'll have a look |
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| 11:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | bartvk, ... or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst yourself |
| 11:59.03 | Matias | Hello! |
| 11:59.44 | bolt | "[102524.717347] RPC: multiple fragments per record not supported" what on earth does that mean? I googled it a bit, and some newsgroup said it was a problem fixed in 2.6.18. i'm getting in when using nfs on 2.6.32-5 on squeeze |
| 12:00.01 | bolt | on the server, that is |
| 12:01.43 | Matias | Every time the session starts, it executes an automatic repository's update and it shows me the notification telling me how many new upgrades are available. I want to disable it, is it possible? Debian sid (KDE) |
| 12:02.21 | bolt | why are you running sid if you don't know how to stop autoupdates? |
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| 12:02.32 | Soothsayer | how do i set the shmmax value ? |
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| 12:03.47 | Matias | bolt, because I tried to install testing but it was impossible (there was a bug... actually it's still there I think). and! I want to learn :) |
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| 12:05.07 | Matias | bolt, do you know? |
| 12:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you talking about that gnome thingy? |
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| 12:07.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 12:08.53 | Matias | anyone? |
| 12:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sign* no answer... if yes: uninstall update-manager-gnome if you don't want to do its thing |
| 12:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you are not answering! |
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| 12:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you ask "anyone" if you're not responding |
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| 12:11.16 | Matias | CutMeOwnThroat, are you talking to me ? |
| 12:11.21 | chattr | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe he doesn't know you're typing at him (you didn't include his nickname, after all) |
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| 12:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes and yes |
| 12:11.54 | Matias | CutMeOwnThroat, I thought you were answer another question, I'm sorry! |
| 12:12.15 | Matias | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm using KDE, I'm not talking about any gnome-thing |
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| 12:12.38 | chattr | CutMeOwnThroat: so, include someone's nickname when you want their attention (always a good idea in irc) |
| 12:12.52 | Matias | I agree hehe |
| 12:13.17 | BlackFate | chattr, even spam bots do it! |
| 12:13.18 | BlackFate | :P |
| 12:13.49 | chattr | heh heh |
| 12:14.07 | Matias | anway, I want to disable automatic updates of the package's list |
| 12:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | chattr, chattr chattr chattr! |
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| 12:14.58 | chattr | hello, CutMeOwnThroat , that worked |
| 12:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, and I answered you, if your answer was "yes" and you have to tell us what you mean if it's "no" |
| 12:15.18 | chattr | back to idling |
| 12:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | chattr, right... I'll make sure to highlight you every hour or so :-P |
| 12:16.18 | Matias | <CutMeOwnThroat> are you talking about that gnome thingy? |
| 12:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but with this nick in #d my guess is you get a highlight a day anyway |
| 12:16.22 | Matias | I said: no |
| 12:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... but it's some graphical kde integrated program that does it? |
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| 12:17.16 | BlackFate | General question: how long more debian devs will support lenny? |
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| 12:17.49 | nsadmin | that's pretty similar question to "when will xyz release" |
| 12:17.59 | streuner_ | BlackFate: usually 1/2 year after new releases |
| 12:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackFate, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 12:18.11 | Matias | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know ? I guess it's executing an apt-get update every time I login and shows me a notification in the corner of the screen |
| 12:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackFate, "about one year after release of a new stable" |
| 12:18.57 | BlackFate | CutMeOwnThroat, streuner_ when is new stable coming out btw? |
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| 12:19.01 | nsadmin | so at minimum a year from tomorrow |
| 12:19.16 | streuner_ | BlackFate: when all RC bugs are fixed |
| 12:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, dunno about kde... look if "adept" is installed and possibly uninstall that, taking care not to remove all of kde |
| 12:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | BlackFate, when it's ready, sooner if you help |
| 12:19.32 | streuner_ | nsadmin: hehe |
| 12:19.36 | nsadmin | BlackFate, that's VERY similar question to "when will xyz release" |
| 12:19.51 | Matias | adept, ok |
| 12:20.12 | Matias | no, it's not |
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| 12:20.39 | BlackFate | nsadmin, i know debian's cyrcle is not stable... i just want to know when you people expect it to come out |
| 12:20.44 | nsadmin | the typical answers being "when it's ready", "when serious bugs are gone", "sooner if you help", "later if you help" |
| 12:21.01 | BlackFate | more or less |
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| 12:21.10 | nsadmin | well it's frozen now |
| 12:21.16 | abrotman | BlackFate: there is no set date .. there are a couple hundred RC bugs left .. when those offending packages are fixed or removed, there will be a release (assuming all other release goals are met) |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | BlackFate: the trend makes it look like somewhere around the New Year .. but no one can say for certain |
| 12:22.02 | nsadmin | ahh, is there a written list of release goals for squeeze? |
| 12:22.14 | BlackFate | abrotman, nsadmin i c :D . thanx |
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| 12:22.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer! |
| 12:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, well, find out what program it is... e.g. by opening the update dialog and using xwininfo on it will give you the window id, if you install wmctrl and run wmctrl -lp it will show you window id and process id... then you know what program hides behind the window |
| 12:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Matias -about apt-file |
| 12:22.38 | jetscreamer | hey abrotman |
| 12:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, then you can use apt-file or delocate to find out what package that belongs to |
| 12:23.00 | abrotman | nsadmin: http://release.debian.org/squeeze/goals.txt .. for quite some time |
| 12:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and either configure it differently or uninstall it |
| 12:23.21 | Matias | haha what a weird solution :) |
| 12:23.26 | Matias | thank you! |
| 12:23.31 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: dlocate? |
| 12:23.59 | Zaca12 | hi there, I'm currently experiencing an issue where I have a samba domain setup with about 50 windows XP pcs connecting to this domain, my netlogon script maps a linux samba mount onto these windows xp pcs and updates the time and that's all. Every time that a windows xp pc gets rebooted, the user settings are reset, all settings and user profile configurations etc. Does anyone know what is causing this? |
| 12:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, right, dlocate, not delocate |
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| 12:24.37 | distant2 | i'm installing ubuntu but using the advanced partitioner so that i can choose ext3 filesystem. can someone tell me how many partitions i have to make? i don't really know. i have 250 GB of HDD space. |
| 12:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, of course it's weird! it's damn kde... and those never tell you what goes on, so if there is no graphical preference easily found, it's kind of like working with windows |
| 12:25.01 | abrotman | distant2: i think you want #ubuntu |
| 12:25.02 | jetscreamer | one or more |
| 12:25.22 | distant2 | i'm installing linux :) but using the advanced partitioner so that i can choose ext3 filesystem. can someone tell me how many partitions i have to make? i don't really know. i have 250 GB of HDD space. |
| 12:25.26 | nsadmin | two minimum, data and swap... but that's for a throwaway. depends what the box is for. (this answer good for any dist) |
| 12:25.28 | jetscreamer | one or more |
| 12:25.34 | abrotman | distant2: i think you want #ubuntu |
| 12:25.43 | abrotman | nsadmin: you can go to #ubuntu with him |
| 12:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... |
| 12:25.51 | Matias | have to say I don't have any xwininfo in my repos |
| 12:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | did everything just repeat or am I having severe memory problems |
| 12:26.21 | Xanbreon | Time just had a bit of a hickup, normal service will resume shortly |
| 12:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just had that hallucination that distant2 asked twice and abrotman answered twice |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | hiccup |
| 12:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps time for a pause |
| 12:26.44 | distant2 | laughs |
| 12:26.55 | Xanbreon | bad spelling is a side effect of problems with the time-line ;) |
| 12:27.00 | nsadmin | doublevision |
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| 12:28.00 | Matias | I found a service called update notifier in my service manager, I will try to disable it |
| 12:28.28 | Xanbreon | I keep having this weird problem with conky, it keeps changing sizes on reboot, one time I need to set the text size to 11 the next 9, anyone have any ideas why this is happening? |
| 12:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias, see, now you could have used the bit I told you about apt-file to find out what package xwininfo is part of! It's in x11-utils and probably you already have it installed |
| 12:28.56 | Xanbreon | my .conkyrc > http://pastebin.com/qw5YZZmr |
| 12:29.21 | Matias | trying |
| 12:29.29 | nsadmin | check pupils and lenses? |
| 12:29.51 | Xanbreon | My eyes are fine (enough) its defo changing size :( |
| 12:30.45 | nsadmin | could your x.org be changing too?' |
| 12:31.15 | nsadmin | , file bin/conky |
| 12:31.17 | judd | bin/conky in lenny/i386: conky: usr/bin/conky |
| 12:31.31 | Xanbreon | nope, the resolution of the screen is the same |
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| 12:32.24 | nsadmin | , info conky |
| 12:32.24 | judd | Package conky (utils, optional) in lenny/i386: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Version: 1.6.0-2; Size: 178.9k; Installed: 488k; Homepage: http://conky.sf.net; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/conky |
| 12:32.25 | Xanbreon | its driving me slowly bonkers |
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| 12:32.37 | Xanbreon | trying to upload ss's to show it, but photobucket sucks |
| 12:32.58 | nsadmin | I'd check the bts to see if others report this |
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| 12:33.17 | nsadmin | http://bugs.debian.org/conky |
| 12:35.44 | Xanbreon | nothing there :( |
| 12:35.55 | Xanbreon | http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/Veyka/conkexample.jpg |
| 12:36.04 | Xanbreon | On the right is correct, left is when it goes small |
| 12:37.00 | nsadmin | those are two invocations running simultaneously? |
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| 12:38.48 | Xanbreon | Nope |
| 12:38.54 | Xanbreon | before and after i fixed it |
| 12:39.16 | nsadmin | how do you go about fixing it? |
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| 12:40.01 | Xanbreon | change the font size from 9 to 11 |
| 12:40.11 | Xanbreon | then on reboot 11 is to big, so i change it to 9 |
| 12:40.12 | Xanbreon | then loop |
| 12:40.52 | nsadmin | let me ask you this... if you don't reboot, does it change? |
| 12:40.56 | Xanbreon | nope |
| 12:41.08 | Xanbreon | only on reboot |
| 12:41.10 | nsadmin | but it's only when you reboot that it might change? |
| 12:41.14 | Xanbreon | yup |
| 12:41.21 | Xanbreon | It didnt used todo this |
| 12:41.32 | nsadmin | before you did what? |
| 12:41.50 | Xanbreon | Changed a lot of stuff in the conkyrc then it was fine |
| 12:41.54 | Xanbreon | then it started doing this |
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| 12:42.12 | amee2k | how do i manually hold a package back from dist-upgrading? |
| 12:42.15 | Xanbreon | But i have to go out im afraid, job stuff! if you have any bright ideas just drop me a pm, would be appreciated! |
| 12:42.17 | nsadmin | so, you say there was a time it didn't do this |
| 12:42.18 | Xanbreon | cheers and toodles |
| 12:42.21 | nsadmin | right? |
| 12:42.27 | abrotman | amee2k: why would you want to? |
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| 12:42.53 | nsadmin | so far I don't have enough info for any bright ideas |
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| 12:43.29 | MikeH | Hi guys, is there any way to 'trick' a machine into believing a PTR record exists? |
| 12:43.34 | MikeH | with /etc/hosts or similar? |
| 12:44.07 | amee2k | someone yesterday had an aptitude option for the command line that would do it... |
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| 12:44.13 | nsadmin | so you want to implement this trick on and for a machine you have control of? |
| 12:44.29 | MikeH | nsadmin, Yes, one of my servers is setup to reject mail from servers without RDNS |
| 12:44.37 | TwoTwenty | how can I stop LVM from starting at boot |
| 12:44.45 | MikeH | I want to send mail from a server without RDNS, and cannot setup RDNS for it. |
| 12:44.47 | abrotman | amee2k: unless you have a good reason, you really shouldn't |
| 12:45.04 | MikeH | nsadmin, I figure the easiest way is to 'trick' the target server in to thinking there is an RDNS entry. |
| 12:45.04 | nsadmin | TwoTwenty, you woudln't want to if you have any lvm mounts |
| 12:45.20 | MikeH | I've tried adding the ipbackwards.in-addr.arpa to /etc/hosts |
| 12:45.22 | TwoTwenty | nasadmin none of my system is on LVM |
| 12:45.23 | MikeH | to no avail. |
| 12:45.32 | TwoTwenty | nsaadmin, none of my system is on LVM |
| 12:46.03 | nsadmin | ok, what's the problem with lvm "starting"? |
| 12:46.03 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I have disabled the LVM mounts from my fstab |
| 12:46.31 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I want to add the block devices to a VM and have the VM manage LVM |
| 12:46.45 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you, it's not showing me the notification anymore :) |
| 12:46.54 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, and Im just worried that LVM on my main system may interfere |
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| 12:47.44 | nsadmin | does the VM run its own kernel? is it xen, kvm or something else? |
| 12:47.51 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin KVM |
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| 12:48.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, you might think about dropping back to testing over time by just upgrading from there... |
| 12:48.03 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin yes it has its own kernel |
| 12:48.21 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, should I ? |
| 12:48.48 | nsadmin | so you want to prevent the host os from doing the equiv of vgchange -a y |
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| 12:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, well, less excitement... /msg dpkg sid |
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| 12:49.26 | nsadmin | and then present the partition to the guest os as a block device |
| 12:49.51 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, sorta |
| 12:49.55 | nsadmin | you could find where it's doing that and comment it out |
| 12:49.57 | Matias_ | "sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems." |
| 12:49.59 | Matias_ | hehe I see |
| 12:50.25 | nsadmin | that's not why sid isn't supported |
| 12:50.32 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I definately dont want LVM on my main machine doing anything to the specific block devices while my VM NAS server is using them |
| 12:50.46 | Matias_ | so maybe I should install testing |
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| 12:51.19 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, Im setting up a live NAS in a VM until I decide to roll it over to its own system down the road |
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| 12:51.51 | Matias_ | is it a good idea to change my source.list and execute a dist-upgrade ? CutMeOwnThroat |
| 12:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, I more meant the other bits... sid is supposed to break all the time... and yes, if you choose sid, you choose very regular breakage and you are supposed to be able to deal with it. |
| 12:52.01 | nsadmin | it's not supported because it's fairly difficult and/or a long inquiry since it's a much higher probability the problem has never been seen before (and therefore a helper would have to do some work) |
| 12:52.36 | nsadmin | Matias_: but also, sid is -not- for real work |
| 12:52.48 | Soothsayer | if i run a tar cvf command |
| 12:52.53 | Soothsayer | is there a limit on how large the tar file can be ? |
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| 12:53.01 | Matias_ | I know but as I said I have troubles to install testing |
| 12:54.15 | Matias_ | so the last time I installed sid |
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| 12:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, nothing will happen right now if you switch to upgrading from testing, as the package manager will not perform downgrades and sid always has newer packages than testing... you might want to also "/msg dpkg pinning" and read up on this. So if you switch to upgrading from testing now, after a time you will only (or mostly) have packages from testing, depending on the speed things migrate from sid to testing... |
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| 12:55.39 | nsadmin | just so you know... that's a long road :) |
| 12:55.52 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I found a solution to my problem, using lvm.conf and directly excluding the devices |
| 12:55.56 | Matias_ | I guess so |
| 12:56.06 | cryptr | Soothsayer: your diskspace and filesystem I would guess. |
| 12:56.46 | Matias_ | maybe it's a better idea to reinstall it all |
| 12:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, you never said what the trouble was, but I would be willing to bet small amonts of money that there was no reason to upgrade _everything_ to sid... |
| 12:56.53 | Soothsayer | cryptr: ok |
| 12:56.56 | nsadmin | TwoTwenty: right, I was going to suggest something like that, instead of excluding what you don't want, list what you do (i.e., instead of vgchange -a y you would run vgchange on each vg you want active) |
| 12:56.58 | frostschutz | Soothsayer: it used to have a 8GB limit, dunno what's the limit today... I guess it's large enough to get by |
| 12:56.59 | Soothsayer | i thought there is a 4gb limit or something |
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| 12:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, well, it's working for you now, so I see no need to reinstall... also... it'll be a learning experience \o/ |
| 12:57.20 | boehmer | hello everyone |
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| 12:57.23 | nsadmin | Soothsayer: that would be the filesystem limit |
| 12:57.30 | Soothsayer | nsadmin: how do i find thato ut ? |
| 12:57.32 | Soothsayer | out* |
| 12:57.38 | boehmer | how to create a user for ftp access with vsftpd and disable shell login? |
| 12:57.38 | nsadmin | tar may or may not itself have such a limit |
| 12:57.57 | frostschutz | Soothsayer: I usually go to Wikipedia, it lists limits for many filesystems and file formats :) |
| 12:57.58 | boehmer | when setting the FTP users shell to /bin/false or something alike ftp access is disallowed, too |
| 12:58.04 | boehmer | any hints? |
| 12:58.07 | cryptr | boehmer: to disable shell use the /bin/false or true shells |
| 12:58.11 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, there were/is a bug, it's not possible to install testing from a CD |
| 12:58.14 | nsadmin | try setting it to /bin/true |
| 12:58.15 | frostschutz | Soothsayer: or just google |
| 12:58.22 | cryptr | boehmer: the rest I do not know, never used vsftpd |
| 12:58.24 | frostschutz | Soothsayer: or read the manpage ;) |
| 12:58.29 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, (using a amd64) |
| 12:58.33 | Soothsayer | frostschutz: no i meant, how do i know the file system this server uses for this partition |
| 12:58.39 | Matias_ | there was * |
| 12:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there are no installers for sid |
| 12:58.43 | nsadmin | boehmer, also man vsftpd |
| 12:58.59 | cryptr | Soothsayer: df -T |
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| 12:59.06 | frostschutz | Soothsayer: 'mount' lists mount points and filesystems, or that |
| 12:59.07 | Matias_ | I installed stable and upgrade, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 12:59.22 | nsadmin | boehmer, also note that plain but authenticated ftp is not recommended, nor is authenticated telnet |
| 13:00.13 | boehmer | nsadmin, i know. there password is used only once for submitting some data. the remote user is a windows guy and cannot handle ssh. i will remove the ftp server afterwards |
| 13:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, hm but then I don't see why you didn't upgrade to testing (or stuck with stable, actually... if you need single newer packages in stable, there's backports... /msg dpkg backports for pre-packaged ones, or you can do them yourself, that's described in /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 13:00.47 | nsadmin | boehmer: if you're careful, that sounds safe |
| 13:01.08 | boehmer | nsadmin, also the user account is created only for sending the data |
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| 13:01.16 | boehmer | but thank you for warning me |
| 13:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Matias_, anywy, you are where you are now... reinstalling lenny and upgrading etc. will take ... at least an hour or two, I guess and that time can be more profitably spent searching for bugs in squeeze/sid and writing bug reports so they get fixed |
| 13:01.47 | Matias_ | I already know I could but I didn't, I wanted to try sid hehe |
| 13:01.49 | nsadmin | just letting you know at least the subject line of the warning |
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| 13:02.20 | nsadmin | Matias_: that in itself is a pretty good reason for installing it... but warnings still apply |
| 13:02.33 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I did: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598130 |
| 13:02.52 | CargolSS | how to change the time format to dd/mm/yyyy ? |
| 13:03.10 | nsadmin | that would be a date :) |
| 13:03.57 | nsadmin | CargolSS: so something is displaying the date/time in a format you don't want? |
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| 13:04.08 | CargolSS | Thu Nov 18 15:03:35 EET 2010 |
| 13:04.25 | Matias_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it was reported on Nov 26... |
| 13:04.27 | nsadmin | the date command has a format string |
| 13:04.27 | CargolSS | my current date format |
| 13:04.31 | Matias_ | Sep 26 * ! |
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| 13:04.40 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, pvdisplay gives me a blank now when I rebooted :) |
| 13:04.58 | TwoTwenty | there is a place in the lvm.conf files that has a list of examples for exclusion |
| 13:04.58 | nsadmin | is that good or bad? |
| 13:05.09 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, that is exactly wht I was looking for |
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| 13:05.32 | nsadmin | ok, so then you could supply the pv as a block device to the guest |
| 13:05.44 | CargolSS | nsadmin: so what should i ... ? |
| 13:05.53 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, now to find out if I add the physical block devices to my KVM machine if it detects them as a LVM |
| 13:05.58 | nsadmin | mandate |
| 13:06.00 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I will let you know if you care |
| 13:06.01 | nsadmin | err man date |
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| 13:06.14 | TwoTwenty | just not man mount |
| 13:06.18 | TwoTwenty | gay |
| 13:06.40 | abrotman | !tell TwoTwenty about gay |
| 13:06.55 | nsadmin | becasue Jessica Alba with a strapon is just too wrong? |
| 13:07.24 | TwoTwenty | like happy and colorful for the mime types |
| 13:07.47 | nsadmin | we're getting too far afield |
| 13:07.56 | nsadmin | even for me :P |
| 13:08.31 | nsadmin | yeah, I'd be curious |
| 13:08.46 | nsadmin | to know if the kvm guest sees the pv |
| 13:09.04 | nsadmin | I might want to do something similar |
| 13:09.05 | Matias | I think I will wait anyone fixes this bug and I will install testing :) |
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| 13:10.08 | nsadmin | Matias: sid is for when you want to be closest to the debian package development action for whatever reason, like you want to test and report |
| 13:10.25 | nsadmin | testing is for that too mostly |
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| 13:11.22 | TwoTwenty | abrotman, Im cheerful about that command set existing |
| 13:11.30 | nsadmin | backups are of course always good... and, if you run testing or sid, you want a rock solid backup plan |
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| 13:11.40 | SammyTheSnake | how can I find out which package(s) are behind the message "Restart to Complete Update" ? I'd like to know if it's a key package, or something I'm not fussed about keeping bleeding edge |
| 13:11.56 | SammyTheSnake | (I get an equivalent message from byobu, gnome's reboot menu....) |
| 13:12.05 | Matias | nsadmin, it's not that bad ! |
| 13:12.40 | nsadmin | Matias: maybe not today :) |
| 13:12.44 | Matias | actually I didn't find any big bug here, it seems to be stable |
| 13:13.04 | diago | as if I didn't have enough things to kill time with I stumbled onto stellarium |
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| 13:14.37 | CargolSS | nsadmin: looked at the man pages and from what i could read "date" is for changing/viewing - the time/date |
| 13:15.10 | CargolSS | Im interested in changing the format in which its displayed |
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| 13:16.38 | Matias | Cadavre, what are you using ? |
| 13:17.36 | Matias | Cadavre, in KDE, in System Settings you can find a "Regional & Language". there is a tab called "Time & Dates" nad you can change the format there |
| 13:17.49 | Matias | and * |
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| 13:18.59 | Trewas | CargolSS: in general locale defines how the date string is formatted |
| 13:19.22 | SammyTheSnake | I managed to find an answer to my question, in case anybody wants to know, you can find which package(s) want you to reboot in /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs |
| 13:19.24 | SammyTheSnake | HTH |
| 13:19.50 | abrotman | Huh? which packages told you that? Which version of Debian is that? |
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| 13:20.55 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: to whom was that last question addressed? |
| 13:21.18 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I have mounted the LVM in my VM |
| 13:21.36 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I have some oddities to work out |
| 13:22.18 | jelly | abrotman: update-manager tells that. It's likely to be responsible for generating that file as well. |
| 13:22.32 | jelly | available in testing and unstable |
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| 13:23.33 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: if the question was addressed to me, I found it by reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462002 and applying some guess-work (cat /var/run/reboot-required[tab][tab]) on squeeze |
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| 13:23.53 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: and yes, it also works on my ubuntu box, if that's where you were heading ;-) |
| 13:24.03 | jelly | SammyTheSnake: I bet he was asking you, and I commented with that assumption |
| 13:24.11 | abrotman | I've never seen aptitude tell me that .. that's why i was curious |
| 13:24.26 | jelly | aptitude doesn't tell that to the best of my knowledge |
| 13:24.39 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: aptitude doesn't seem to, but various gooey apps do |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | maybe they figure if you use aptitude, you know which package requires a restart |
| 13:25.26 | SammyTheSnake | in my case, the package is an ssl library which isn't really a reason to reboot, given that I can just restart the services / apps that use the library (firefox, apache...) |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | wait .. no .. that can't be true |
| 13:25.48 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: it would seem logical for aptitude to make mention of it, IMHO |
| 13:26.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: i can't imagine that FF uses that part of SSL that was affected |
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| 13:26.51 | jelly | abrotman: maybe update-manager is ported to Debian as-is, including policies implied in its behaviour |
| 13:27.07 | abrotman | jelly: see rants about software-manager or wahtever that thing is |
| 13:27.16 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: if you update a bunch of stuff all at once, it's easy to miss a dependency that needs a reboot, or not know that a particular package needs a reboot, it'd be nice for aptitude to finish the session by saying "package(s): a, b, and c requested a reboot" |
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| 13:27.25 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: not a show stopper, though |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: which packages require a reboot? |
| 13:28.05 | jelly | indeed, Debian can often leave you hanging with not all processes or services restarted |
| 13:28.07 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I'm not up on the details of the ssl update in question, I figure it can't hurt to restart firefox (sorry, *iceweasel*)just in case :-P |
| 13:28.12 | abrotman | in general .. not according to whatever that file tells you |
| 13:28.22 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: libssl0.9.8 |
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| 13:29.24 | macrobat | i don't have that /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs file and i installed a kernel pkg i haven't booted yet :D |
| 13:29.24 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: no .. i mean actually requires a restart .. libssl does not |
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| 13:31.12 | wildc4rd | anyone tried that new fast kernel patch on Debian? |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | you? |
| 13:31.49 | wildc4rd | about to, wondered if anyone had come across issues |
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| 13:38.33 | nsadmin | you probably want to talk to waldi |
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| 13:42.59 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, seems to work, Im jsut having some problems with the uuids |
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| 13:43.36 | hkuieagle | hello room, I have install debian 6.0 beta1, but I cant start X. It output something like "dbus start failed" during boot.what's wrong? |
| 13:43.46 | abrotman | hkuieagle: how did you install X? |
| 13:43.46 | catsup | hahaha |
| 13:43.57 | catsup | x depending on dbus = disaster |
| 13:43.59 | hkuieagle | abrotman, yep |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | hkuieagle: how did you install X? |
| 13:44.24 | hkuieagle | I installed "graphics stuff" |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | hkuieagle: which WM/DE are you trying to use? |
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| 13:45.02 | catsup | abrotman: ?? if dbus failed, x won't start, no mouse, ? |
| 13:45.07 | hkuieagle | abrotman, default, gnome I think. |
| 13:45.31 | catsup | (don't see relevance of WM) |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | catsup: go be a pain somewhere else |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | hkuieagle: at the command line, `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install xorg gnome` .. does it install or upgrade any packages? |
| 13:46.32 | hkuieagle | abrotman, no net now... |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | that might one tihng to fix first? |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | can you /etc/init.d/dbus restart ? |
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| 13:48.32 | hkuieagle | abrotman, Ouput: UUID file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id' should contain a hex string of length 32 not length 0, with no other text |
| 13:48.58 | abrotman | and then it dies? or it starts? |
| 13:49.17 | hkuieagle | abrotman, nothing more.. |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | so see if it's running? you may have to reinstall the dbus package .. not sure how it generates that UUID |
| 13:50.01 | hkuieagle | abrotman, My /var is an independent par with ext4 format. |
| 13:50.30 | abrotman | i doubt that matters |
| 13:51.10 | hkuieagle | abrotman, I seems that dbus tries to find UUID in that file? |
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| 13:52.08 | flock-_ | hello. my normal users can't access to /proc/net - ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 13:52.24 | flock-_ | anything I can do to fix it? |
| 13:53.06 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: I'm only going by the contents of the file /var/run/restart-required.dpkg which is populated (I believe) by packages when *they* believe they need a restart. You or I may disagree with them. |
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| 13:53.56 | TwoTwenty | why is it when I start liferea up on squeeze it starts in offline mode |
| 13:54.04 | abrotman | hkuieagle: it would appear you can put any 32 hex characters in that file |
| 13:54.23 | TwoTwenty | also when I start pidgin up I have to disable and re enable the accounts to come online I had the same issue with empathy too |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | TwoTwenty: probably wants network-manager to say you have a connection |
| 13:54.52 | TwoTwenty | ah |
| 13:54.54 | TwoTwenty | ty |
| 13:55.35 | hkuieagle | abrotman, I'm tring to upgrade it now. |
| 13:55.40 | abrotman | hkuieagle: alternately, try to remove that file, then reinstall dbus package |
| 13:55.52 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: i was asking oyu which actually require a restart .. not what that file says |
| 13:56.53 | TwoTwenty | abrotman, thank you, can I trick network manager to always think I have a connection since i have my interfaces strictly configured in /etc/netowkr/interfaces to have my brindge defined ? |
| 13:57.01 | hkuieagle | abrotman, ok |
| 13:57.16 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: that's where I started, I saw a notification saying i needed to reboot and I wanted to know where it was coming from and what justified the claim. It appears that the contents of that file are the source of the message. If libssl doesn't need a restart, there appears to be no call for one. I'm not an expert, though :-P |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | TwoTwenty: honestly, i'm not sure .. i gave up and let it control my wifi .. |
| 13:57.29 | nsadmin | network manager? so you have wireless? |
| 13:57.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: n-m can control wired also |
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| 13:58.10 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin. no wireless on my computer |
| 13:58.19 | nsadmin | true enough... and this is quite advantageous on a laptop... but most wireds you just plug in and expect dhcp |
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| 13:58.42 | abrotman | it's not that big of a deal .. you just let it control the interface .. |
| 13:58.48 | TwoTwenty | abrotman, Im not using wifi |
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| 13:59.04 | abrotman | who cares? it can control wired also |
| 13:59.16 | TwoTwenty | abrotman , I m running a bridged interface I have setup specifically for my KVM |
| 13:59.21 | abrotman | and? |
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| 13:59.38 | TwoTwenty | abrotman, can NM do that ? |
| 14:00.02 | nsadmin | probably not set the bridge up |
| 14:00.18 | abrotman | it just wants to know if the interface is up .. |
| 14:00.39 | nsadmin | probably the best place to set the bridge up is in the host os |
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| 14:00.52 | abrotman | i don't use liferea .. but i know pidgin likes n-m .. but you can also tell pidgin to ignore n-m with a -f |
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| 14:01.25 | nsadmin | but even so, you -could- put it in a guest. but if you do that, then you would have to wait for the guest to boot to have networking, that's probably too weird |
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| 14:01.42 | yebyen | does anyone know about net.agent and why I might be getting a lot of them going D-defunct |
| 14:01.54 | TwoTwenty | n-m gave me alot of headaches with mediatomb in ubuntu long ago |
| 14:02.28 | nsadmin | in debian it gives me shoulder problems |
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| 14:03.58 | nsadmin | what's mediatomb? |
| 14:04.13 | yebyen | looks neat |
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| 14:04.23 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, its a upnp server that can transcode video to otherformats on the fly |
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| 14:04.57 | hkuieagle | abrotman, If I remove dbus, hundreds of packages will be autoremoved... |
| 14:05.02 | nsadmin | does it require kernel modules? |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | hkuieagle: i didn't tell you remove dbus |
| 14:05.16 | hkuieagle | abrotman, so how to reinstall dbus? |
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| 14:05.21 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, dont think so |
| 14:05.33 | dommod | why there is no linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-dbg when there is a linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg in squeeze?? |
| 14:05.59 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, curiously, why wold you ask that ? |
| 14:06.01 | nsadmin | how did n-m interact adversely (or at all) with mediatomb? |
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| 14:06.12 | abrotman | hkuieagle: aptitude reinstall dbus ? |
| 14:06.14 | nsadmin | curiousity :) |
| 14:06.28 | TwoTwenty | mediatomb, required there to be an IP address before the gui was up |
| 14:06.35 | TwoTwenty | lol |
| 14:06.40 | TwoTwenty | <<<-- tired |
| 14:06.41 | Guest46759 | hi, is there a way to control the daemons which launch with the init system? like in arch linux or gentoo |
| 14:06.51 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, mediatomb required there to be an IP address before the gui was up |
| 14:07.22 | nsadmin | sounds like a long interrelated story :) |
| 14:07.32 | Guest46759 | rc-update or settings in the rc.conf |
| 14:07.59 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, I just added a delay at startup on mediatomb far longer then network manager took to aquire an IP |
| 14:08.03 | dommod | doesn't want to compile the kernel for the debug info.. |
| 14:08.08 | TwoTwenty | hack |
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| 14:08.31 | hariom | Any help in this? I am getting error while updating my system through apt-get (Ubuntu 10.04). I get this error: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend per-base for liblocale-gettext-perl, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 14:09.08 | nsadmin | hariom: that's ubuntu specific; you'll want to ask that in #ubuntu |
| 14:09.37 | hariom | earlier problem I have solved. Now getting: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libattr1' |
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| 14:10.46 | dommod | hariom: that's an ubuntu problem ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:11.04 | hariom | dommod: ok |
| 14:11.10 | TwoTwenty | hariom, what exactly are you trying to do |
| 14:11.29 | nsadmin | hariom: mainly because most here don't {{want to ,have to , }{have to ,want to , }} know... |
| 14:11.32 | Guest46759 | is update-rc.d similar to gentoo's rc-update? |
| 14:11.40 | TwoTwenty | hariom, check for disk space, do a apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
| 14:11.44 | flock-_ | my normal users can't access to /proc/net - ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 14:11.49 | TwoTwenty | hariom, then try again |
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| 14:12.36 | nsadmin | Guest46759: what does rc-update do? |
| 14:12.49 | hariom | TwoTwenty: I have enough disk space. apt-get update works but dist-upgrade and install doesn't |
| 14:13.21 | nsadmin | cook green eggs and ham? |
| 14:16.00 | Guest46759 | nsadmin: you can add or delete daemons from system start |
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| 14:16.17 | Guest46759 | nsadmin: e.g. keep apache from starting at boot |
| 14:16.24 | nsadmin | yeah, that is similar then |
| 14:16.32 | hkuieagle | abrotman, works! what a wired pro! |
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| 14:16.40 | abrotman | wired pro? |
| 14:16.41 | nsadmin | update-rc.d creates and destroys symlinks |
| 14:16.43 | abrotman | okay then |
| 14:17.03 | nsadmin | he obviously meant weird pro :) |
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| 14:18.26 | Guest46759 | btw, is there a prettier way to set a static ip than /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:18.43 | hkuieagle | abrotman, , : ( Now gnome couldnt start... |
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| 14:18.49 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:19.20 | hkuieagle | abrotman, It just displays a wallpaper, and nothing more... |
| 14:19.34 | abrotman | hkuieagle: aptitude install gnome? |
| 14:19.38 | abrotman | did you fix your net yet? |
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| 14:20.39 | hkuieagle | abrotman, gnome is already the newest version |
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| 14:22.16 | hkuieagle | abrotman, when it starts from gdm,something like "ICEauthorize .... failed" poped out |
| 14:22.28 | abrotman | hkuieagle: did you fix your net yet? |
| 14:22.30 | TwoTwenty | can I manually set a uuid for a drive |
| 14:22.32 | TwoTwenty | ? |
| 14:22.36 | hkuieagle | abrotman, yep |
| 14:23.06 | hkuieagle | abrotman, Need I add some depositories? |
| 14:23.22 | Zaca12 | hi there, I'm currently experiencing an issue where I have a samba domain setup with about 50 windows XP pcs connecting to this domain, my netlogon script maps a linux samba mount onto these windows xp pcs and updates the time and that's all. Every time that a windows xp pc gets rebooted, the user settings are reset, all settings and user profile configurations etc. Does anyone know what is causing this? |
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| 14:24.48 | abrotman | hkuieagle: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please |
| 14:25.48 | hkuieagle | abrotman, just 2 lines. the default security depository |
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| 14:26.00 | abrotman | what's the other? |
| 14:26.02 | TwoTwenty | Zaca12, are you accidentally mapping home folders ? |
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| 14:27.20 | hkuieagle | abrotman, no more. Need I add some? |
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| 14:27.32 | abrotman | hkuieagle: you said there were two .. what is each one? |
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| 14:28.44 | hkuieagle | abrotman, deb http://security.debian.org/... & deb-src http://security.debian.org/... |
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| 14:29.31 | Zaca12 | TwoTwenty: how could i check that i'm not? |
| 14:29.51 | Zaca12 | i've discovered that each time that my windows xp pc logs onto the samba domain a new user gets created on the samba domain |
| 14:30.10 | abrotman | hkuieagle: which country are you in? |
| 14:30.18 | Zaca12 | for instance, upon first logon within documents and settings i find the username folder |
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| 14:30.31 | Zaca12 | then 2nd logon i find a folder named username.domain |
| 14:30.40 | Zaca12 | then 3rd logon username.domain001 |
| 14:30.46 | hkuieagle | abrotman, china |
| 14:30.58 | Zaca12 | so no wonder the settings are being lost, each time i log into the samba domain a new user gets created |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | hkuieagle: add "deb http://www.anheng.com.cn/debian/ squeeze main" .. then run `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install xorg gnome` |
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| 14:36.02 | hkuieagle | abrotman, E: release file expired,ingore http://www.anheng.... |
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| 14:37.08 | hkuieagle | abrotman, I'm tring other sources |
| 14:37.16 | abrotman | hkuieagle: hold on |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | hkuieagle: use "deb http://mirrors.geekbone.org/debian/ squeeze main" |
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| 14:38.01 | TwoTwenty | can I manually set a UUID for a drive ? |
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| 14:38.42 | stew | TwoTwenty: of a drive? or a filesystem contained on a drive or partition? |
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| 14:39.12 | TwoTwenty | stew, one of the PVs of my lvm lost its uuid |
| 14:39.25 | TwoTwenty | stew, on using a new OS install |
| 14:39.45 | Zaca12 | TwoTwenty: how would i make sure that i am not mapping the home folders? |
| 14:40.03 | TwoTwenty | stew. I have some backups from /etc/lvm/backup with the proper uuid |
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| 14:40.39 | stew | TwoTwenty: you can use pvchange to change it to a random one. I don't know if there is a way to set a specific one |
| 14:40.41 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, are the clients setup for roaming profiles ? |
| 14:40.42 | hkuieagle | abrotman, Can I use other sources labeled ".. testing .."? |
| 14:41.06 | TwoTwenty | stew, thanks that a step in the right direction and searching |
| 14:43.00 | Zaca12 | TwoTwenty: nope not as far as i know |
| 14:43.12 | hkuieagle | abrotman, the source works, with many softwares to be upgraded... hope it work. (time for bed...) |
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| 14:43.20 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, then most likely its not a problem |
| 14:43.22 | mitchyp | Hello, when I use shift+pageup or pagedown I get ;2A and ;2B but scroll does not work, any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:43.34 | mitchyp | works on rxvt, but it does not on xterm |
| 14:43.37 | mitchyp | I want xterm |
| 14:43.40 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, its over my head you might want to try #samba |
| 14:44.11 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, what sort of settings are the client windows machines loosing ? |
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| 14:44.42 | Zaca12 | TwoTwenty: all profile settings, for instance, desktop icons and everything else |
| 14:44.57 | Zaca12 | actually a new xp user gets created each time that you log onto the samba domain |
| 14:45.07 | mitchyp | ls |
| 14:45.12 | Zaca12 | for instance; upon the first login the user will be your username |
| 14:45.18 | Zaca12 | second login will be username.domain |
| 14:45.21 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, seems to me the windows computers must be setup to do roaming profiles, and that their home folders are coming from the samba server |
| 14:45.28 | nsadmin | and a kitten dies every time a new xp user gets created... |
| 14:45.29 | Zaca12 | third login will be username.domain001 |
| 14:45.31 | Zaca12 | and so on |
| 14:45.49 | TwoTwenty | lol |
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| 14:46.07 | Zaca12 | yeah probably TwoTwenty at the moment they're using the profile on the local windows xp pc |
| 14:46.20 | Zaca12 | but ideally it would be best if the profile settings were from the samba server, |
| 14:46.28 | Zaca12 | can that be done? is that what roaming is? |
| 14:46.34 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin, tahts horrible , what happens everytime a new 2008 server is installed? |
| 14:46.43 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, yes |
| 14:47.10 | Zaca12 | i've also noticed that within the smb.conf file guest ok is equal to true |
| 14:47.16 | Zaca12 | yes* |
| 14:47.21 | Zaca12 | could this maybe be part of the issue? |
| 14:47.56 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, wouldnt hurt to turn it to false |
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| 14:48.18 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, look for some errorlogs logging into the domain on the windows computers |
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| 14:49.28 | TwoTwenty | zaca12, if you look into the documents and settings folder of the xp machines is there a folder for all the new users? |
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| 14:50.03 | Zaca12 | TwoTwenty: ive tailed the samba.log file when an xp pc logs in |
| 14:50.11 | Zaca12 | and i noticed that there were some errors |
| 14:50.12 | Zaca12 | http://pastebin.com/MPxhpz02 |
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| 14:50.30 | Zaca12 | yes TwoTwenty there are folders named like this for each user |
| 14:50.32 | Zaca12 | 'username' |
| 14:50.36 | Zaca12 | 'username.domain' |
| 14:50.42 | Zaca12 | 'username.domain001' |
| 14:50.50 | Zaca12 | and it increments like that |
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| 14:51.06 | Zaca12 | so it seems like a brand new user is being created upon each logon |
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| 14:52.36 | TwoTwenty | at the login screen on the windows machines is there a domain field ? is it filled in ? |
| 14:52.56 | nsadmin | TwoTwenty: creates 500 xp accounts... |
| 14:53.15 | nsadmin | tragic... |
| 14:53.19 | TwoTwenty | totally |
| 14:53.38 | TwoTwenty | I heard if you installed server 2008, somewhere in the world a child goes hungry |
| 14:53.55 | Zaca12 | yes you select the domain and the domain is selected at the windows logon screen |
| 14:54.14 | Zaca12 | we even had to add all the xp pcs to the domain by using the username and password setup in samba |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | hkuieagle: you should be pointing at squeeze, not testing |
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| 14:55.48 | keith4 | how important is it to use lenny volatile? |
| 14:55.58 | complete | Good day Debian! Strange... i use "find" on a machine and its very fast. When I use it on another machine where i mounted the same directory over sshfs its very slow. It should not have to transfer a lot of data to search the filesystem, right? What could go wrong here? |
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| 14:56.15 | danols | does linux have a whois tool built in ? |
| 14:56.37 | keith4 | sure. for some values of "built in" |
| 14:56.55 | AimHere | It transfers an entire filelisting |
| 14:57.04 | AimHere | That's probably quite a lot of data |
| 14:57.13 | icebrain | complete: probably not a problem of bandwidth, but latency. One request per directory * ping time |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | keith4: it has some stuff in there, like the tzdata changes and also clamav |
| 14:57.30 | complete | AimHere: its only 100 directories or so. but it takes 30 seconds or so over sshfs. |
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| 14:57.38 | abrotman | danols: Debian has one available |
| 14:57.45 | keith4 | abrotman: yah... the recent tzdata volatile update is what causes me to discover than about half of my lenny boxes have volatile, and half don't |
| 14:57.55 | danols | abrotman: how to invoke it ? |
| 14:58.05 | complete | danols: just try it by typing "whois google.com" |
| 14:58.09 | abrotman | invoke ? .. "whois google.com" |
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| 14:58.19 | abrotman | assuming you haev it installed |
| 14:58.26 | complete | icebrain, AimHere: how would you go about it? mount over a different protocol? |
| 14:58.56 | icebrain | complete: login using ssh, run find on the machine itself |
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| 14:59.04 | icebrain | instead of sshfs, which runs find locally |
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| 14:59.17 | complete | sure, thats an option. |
| 14:59.22 | complete | but not as convinient. |
| 14:59.26 | hkuieagle | abrotman, got it. squeeze is at the special stage. |
| 14:59.42 | danols | thanks guys |
| 15:00.03 | icebrain | complete: if you have auto-login with public/private key, you can write a script to make it seamless |
| 15:00.26 | Elirips | [OT] Hello all. probably ot, as I think not really debian related, but anyway: What could be the reason I cant reach my network printer? Wont repsond to ping, nor do anything else useful. I printed the configuration-page, telling me I have the proper ip.. cables are okay too.. what might be the reason, *any* ideas? |
| 15:00.34 | complete | icebrain: sure |
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| 15:02.03 | hkuieagle | frankly , it's too fragile, somewhat disappoints me a bit. |
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| 15:04.59 | abrotman | Elirips: the NIC is dead |
| 15:05.30 | Mr_Queue | Elirips: ^ or your pinging the wrong address? nmap your local. |
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| 15:10.52 | Elirips | abrotman, thank you, almost. replaced the cable.. working now.. tested the cable.. no failure detected.. anyway its working again, i'll throw that cable away |
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| 15:27.22 | keith4 | odd. gurlchecker 0.11.2 is in lenny-volatile, but it doesn't show up on packages.debian.org as such |
| 15:27.34 | abrotman | judd: versions gurlchecker |
| 15:27.37 | judd | Package gurlchecker on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.2-2+b1; sid: 0.13-1.1; squeeze: 0.13-1.1 |
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| 15:28.12 | keith4 | rather, it's still in the repos. not listed in the index, i guess |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | keith4: not in the Packages list |
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| 15:28.54 | keith4 | abrotman: http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/pool/volatile/main/g/gurlchecker/ |
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| 15:29.13 | keith4 | abrotman: yah... wonder why it got pulled |
| 15:30.16 | keith4 | is that information here somewhere? http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gurlchecker.html |
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| 15:35.58 | abrotman | keith4: i don't see any reason .. i think there's a #debian-volatile on oftc |
| 15:36.04 | keith4 | k, thanks |
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| 15:47.46 | dan2 | is there a way to see what speed a USB device is running at? |
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| 15:47.55 | catsup | dan2: dmesg |
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| 15:49.48 | zeitsofa | hello @ all :) i have a little problem that confuses me: http://nopaste.info/8d22aa7d48.html i can't format, delete anything else with this partition. any ideas? |
| 15:50.31 | abrotman | zeitsofa: we don't speak german |
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| 15:51.04 | zeitsofa | ok i transelate the errors. |
| 15:52.26 | zeitsofa | abrotman: http://nopaste.info/fae204ffbb.html |
| 15:52.32 | abrotman | zeitsofa: is something using /mnt2/ perhaps ? |
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| 15:54.00 | zeitsofa | no |
| 15:54.56 | abrotman | you can try to force the mount i believe |
| 15:55.16 | zeitsofa | it dosn't work too |
| 15:55.48 | petemc | zeitsofa: can you pastebin cat /proc/mounts |
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| 15:57.19 | zeitsofa | http://nopaste.info/f551bf490e.html |
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| 15:58.48 | petemc | zeitsofa: ok, so what are you trying to do now? |
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| 16:06.19 | zeitsofa | petemc: i'd like to format the volume |
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| 16:07.45 | petemc | zeitsofa: which volume? your translation was a little garbled, try ls -la /dev/mapper/ to see which lvm partitions you have |
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| 16:09.13 | petemc | or run 'lvs' |
| 16:09.14 | zeitsofa | i like to format /dev/mapper/xen-nagios |
| 16:09.27 | petemc | and when you try? |
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| 16:10.01 | zeitsofa | a error come up - device in use |
| 16:10.27 | petemc | zeitsofa: can you do LANG=C <your command> , and pastebin the results |
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| 16:15.44 | zeitsofa | hmm is in german, too. just a moment please. |
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| 16:16.46 | rabbitear | does studios work in wine? |
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| 16:17.15 | rabbitear | its not iiimportant |
| 16:17.21 | cb1 | anybody have a package for the lego mindstorms nxt nxt-g?? or better still a brixcc ?? |
| 16:17.23 | rabbitear | I just wanna know if it does |
| 16:17.37 | rabbitear | .shit |
| 16:18.51 | rabbitear | you guys don't exist anymore huh |
| 16:19.15 | rabbitear | what cb1 ????????????????????????????? |
| 16:19.16 | cb1 | rabbitear: uh.. is that a question?? |
| 16:19.26 | rabbitear | k |
| 16:19.51 | cb1 | rabbitear: uh.. is that a question??? |
| 16:20.08 | cb1 | no one on this channel?? |
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| 16:20.40 | stew | there are more than 800 people in this channel |
| 16:20.50 | Flash__ | patiently waiting for a sensible question |
| 16:21.05 | stew | not all 800 know about lego software though |
| 16:21.19 | cb1 | ok any ideas ?? |
| 16:21.25 | rabbitear | .shit |
| 16:21.38 | rabbitear | but thats what I'm asking about |
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| 16:21.53 | rabbitear | acutally I forgot my orginal question |
| 16:22.07 | cb1 | rabbitear: :D.... |
| 16:22.15 | rabbitear | doesn't matter, its a .shit question |
| 16:22.25 | cb1 | studios on wine?? |
| 16:22.31 | rabbitear | ya..... |
| 16:22.50 | rabbitear | well, I don't REALLY need to know |
| 16:23.04 | rabbitear | but it would be interesting if you say it did |
| 16:23.04 | zeitsofa | petemc: http://nopaste.info/7dcac21059.html |
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| 16:23.18 | rabbitear | no web |
| 16:23.26 | rabbitear | zeitsofa: no websites |
| 16:23.27 | cb1 | rabbitear: ok ... xsi softimage to be released for linux |
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| 16:23.42 | babilen | rabbitear: Then please keep it to yourself. Note that there is also #winehq for wine related questions. I have no idea what "studios" refers to FWIW |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | rabbitear: did you try #winehq ? |
| 16:24.14 | rabbitear | I figured you PEOPLE would know |
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| 16:24.28 | rabbitear | for a second............... I actually don't care |
| 16:24.41 | abrotman | rabbitear: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 16:24.47 | zaarg | what is it that reads a shebnag at the start of a script? the parent shell? |
| 16:24.47 | rabbitear | I like saving stuff into .shit :) |
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| 16:24.53 | zaarg | the invoking shell rather |
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| 16:25.08 | zaarg | or are the using something else underneath? |
| 16:25.18 | abrotman | rabbitear: please try to keep the chatter related to Debian, you've been silenced for 10 minutes. |
| 16:25.23 | reg3x | hi, am i in the right channel to ask information about the style guide inside mantainer scripts? for example if there is a standard introductory comment template |
| 16:25.29 | stew | zaarg: i believe the kernel does |
| 16:25.35 | cb1 | abrotman: i do have debian -related question.. |
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| 16:25.56 | stew | reg3x: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is perhaps a better channel for that |
| 16:26.02 | abrotman | cb1: i saw your question, but i don't know the answer .. |
| 16:26.07 | reg3x | thanks stew |
| 16:26.10 | abrotman | cb1: if you have the software, you can create your own package though |
| 16:26.37 | sorressean | I need to run a program on python 2.7, so I grabbed it because on my server I have 2.5 and on this dev box 2.6. I'm getting errors though, can I see what configuration options are provided when the normal debian package is compiled? |
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| 16:27.42 | stew | sorressean: you can "apt-get source python2.6" and look at 'debian/rules' which is the makefile used to build the package |
| 16:27.43 | babilen | sorressean: More information please. Which Debian version are you running on your server? Where did you "grab" Python 2.7 from? How did you install it? What errors are you getting and what did you expect to happen? |
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| 16:28.01 | sorressean | stew: thanks! |
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| 16:30.34 | sorressean | hmm. that's not the configuration values though |
| 16:30.41 | sorressean | it's just the makefile. :| |
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| 16:30.58 | globalways | ³marilliat |
| 16:31.02 | globalways | sprry |
| 16:31.06 | babilen | sorressean: And you probably want to take a look at the Python 2.7 package -- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doko/python/pkg2.7-debian/annotate/head:/rules |
| 16:31.38 | stew | sorressean: its not? what kind of values aare you looking for? |
| 16:31.54 | zeitsofa | rabbitear: petemc: http://pastebin.com/zWU4nzuR |
| 16:31.57 | babilen | sorressean: Which configuration values are you referring to? They are given in the "rules" file as well if you refer to "./configure â--foo=barâ" |
| 16:32.00 | sorressean | stew: just what had to be sent to ./configure. it's having problems locating the math library for some reason. |
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| 16:32.49 | stew | sorressean: yea, they are in there. look for common_configure_args for example |
| 16:32.58 | babilen | doko came up with a pretty long rules file there :) |
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| 16:34.39 | babilen | sorressean: It might help to tell us what you are actually doing and what errors you are getting. There might be a different approach/other tips ... |
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| 16:38.50 | sorressean | I'm trying to compile python because I have a program that embeds it. when I run it, I get: /home/tyler/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/math.so: undefined symbol: |
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| 16:40.36 | indrora | Anyone been reading the thread on debian-user on mozilla products? |
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| 16:42.49 | sorressean | any ideas? |
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| 16:44.03 | indrora | sorressean, About what? |
| 16:44.45 | stew | indrora: what about the thread? |
| 16:44.55 | sorressean | I'm trying to compile python because I have a program that embeds it. when I run it, I get: /home/tyler/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload/math.so: undefined symbol: |
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| 16:45.08 | indrora | sorressean, apt-get --build? |
| 16:45.31 | indrora | stew, Why not just politely ask Mozilla if they have someone who's willing to maintain a debian repo? |
| 16:45.47 | sorressean | I don't have python 2.7 to --build. and I want it in my home directory so I can run this program on my dev and server boxes. so I put 2.7 in my home directory. |
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| 16:46.09 | stew | indrora: why do we care if someone at mozilla maintains a repo? we maintain our own repos well |
| 16:46.24 | indrora | stew, because then its their problem to update packages |
| 16:46.51 | stew | indrora: we are happy to do it ourselves, and they are unwilling to maintain older versions that we want to be able to maintain |
| 16:46.57 | jelly | indrora: I've been using upstream firefox builds on Debian for years. It has its own update mechanism, works, and often has updates faster than iceweasel in Debian. |
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| 16:47.18 | sorressean | so I'm back to square 1... any idea why I'd be getting that error? |
| 16:47.28 | indrora | stew, 3.0.5 has security problems in their bugzilla that affect iceweasel in squeeze. |
| 16:47.43 | jhutchins_lt | sorressean: We haven't seen much success with that because of the many different modules that python scripts call. |
| 16:47.54 | stew | indrora: do you have an example CVE? |
| 16:47.56 | indrora | sorressean, ask the python dev list? |
| 16:48.09 | bibekp | Hi. I am trying to upgrade a debian server (on a replicated virtual machine). for some reason, openldap had some problems during the upgrade. any known bug i am missing? |
| 16:48.20 | jelly | indrora: do you mean 3.5.15? That's what's in squeeze at present. |
| 16:48.29 | bibekp | 1. dist-upgrade produced following message: Errors were encountered while processing: slapd rkhunter |
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| 16:48.39 | sorressean | sighs. typical debian, fuck things up so you can't compile other programs if you don't want to break deps... lovely. |
| 16:48.41 | bibekp | dpkg-reconfigure slapd => /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: slapd is broken or not fully installed |
| 16:48.58 | indrora | jelly, Uhh no, Squeeze is still on 3.0.5... |
| 16:49.10 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 16:49.12 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.15-1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; experimental: 3.6.12-2 |
| 16:49.18 | stew | squeeze: 3.5.15-1; |
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| 16:49.28 | indrora | Oh yeah your right. |
| 16:49.32 | indrora | Nevermind. |
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| 16:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | bibekp: Which versions are you upgrading to and from? |
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| 16:50.31 | cusco_ | hello! |
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| 16:50.40 | babilen | sorressean: No need to get angry -- it is not saying which symbol is missing? When you run the configure script it tells you which modules/parts/depends could be satisfied. You might want to take a look at the build depends at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doko/python/pkg2.7-debian/annotate/head:/control |
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| 16:51.27 | babilen | *sigh* @ sorressean |
| 16:51.33 | stew | he flounced |
| 16:51.35 | bibekp | jhutchins_lt, 2.3.30-5+etch3 to 2.4.11-1+lenny2 |
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| 16:52.05 | bibekp | Config-Version: 2.3.30-5+etch3 |
| 16:52.07 | JyZyXEL | omgggg wtf squeeze will release this xmas? D: |
| 16:52.16 | jelly | hopefully not |
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| 16:52.56 | jelly | bibekp: redo dpkg --configure slapd |
| 16:53.09 | JyZyXEL | its too early! |
| 16:53.23 | jelly | JyZyXEL: for once I agree with you! |
| 16:53.37 | bibekp | jelly, dpkg: error processing slapd (--configure): |
| 16:53.37 | bibekp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.36 | jelly | bibekp: that's all it says? You shall have to find out where the installation scripts breaks. Add "set -x" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.postinst |
| 16:54.54 | jelly | bibekp: dpkg --configure it again, and pastebin the whole output |
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| 16:55.24 | bibekp | jelly, you mean set -x instead of set -e ? |
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| 16:55.36 | jelly | bibekp: no, I mean set -x in addition to set -e. |
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| 16:59.02 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there a good way to manage security patches on multiple debian systems? |
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| 17:06.42 | indrora | evilbulgarian, did you write the patches or are they from upgraded packages? |
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| 17:09.43 | evilbulgarian | from upgraded packages |
| 17:09.47 | evilbulgarian | indrora: ^^ |
| 17:09.59 | evilbulgarian | indrora: debian's seucrity deb's |
| 17:10.05 | zeitsofa | how can i fix this issue without rebooting the system: http://pastebin.com/4dWy8vt6 |
| 17:10.30 | indrora | evilbulgarian, keep the security updates repo in sources.list, dist-upgrade on a regular basis. |
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| 17:11.27 | evilbulgarian | indrora: well i need to do this across alot of boxes with some kind of knowledge of what is updating and possibly selective updates |
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| 17:11.45 | indrora | zeitsofa, Sounds like a xen instance is doing something with that file. |
| 17:11.54 | indrora | evilbulgarian, how many boxes? |
| 17:12.29 | babilen | evilbulgarian: You might want to take a look at a local cacher for .debs -- check out apt-proxy, apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng. You can "/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng" (e.g.) for more information |
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| 17:12.51 | zeitsofa | indrora: there is no instance running that uses this lv |
| 17:13.17 | indrora | zeitsofa, you can /force/ fscking that lv, but I'd be wary. |
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| 17:13.46 | imc | hello, i'm looking for the `ar` command, which package should i install? (apt-cache search ar gives too many results for me to handle...) |
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| 17:14.12 | padhu | I tried photoscape using wine. It will not save the altered image. |
| 17:14.24 | llutz_ | imc: binutils |
| 17:14.33 | zeitsofa | indrora: i cant do anything with this lv not force fsck, not force mkfs, no removing the lv - always the system means it is in use. |
| 17:14.38 | llutz_ | binutils: /usr/bin/ar |
| 17:14.48 | imc | llutz: merci |
| 17:15.12 | themill | imc: apt-file -x search 'bin/ar$' (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 17:15.15 | indrora | zeitsofa, You know the -f option of fsck, right? |
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| 17:16.06 | zeitsofa | indrora: yes i know it. but i tell u i cant do that. allways the system means it is in use and so it didn't do anything with this lv. |
| 17:16.37 | stew | zeitsofa: i can't help but notice "xen" in the name. is this thing in use by a running vm? |
| 17:16.39 | indrora | zeitsofa, Then I say some xen instance is using it. |
| 17:16.44 | stew | zeitsofa: have you checkeed /proc/mounts? |
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| 17:18.10 | zeitsofa | indrora: no it is. there is one instance running on a other lv. and if a instance running on a lv a lsof or fuse show it. but if u can see in my nopaste. nothing is shown with lsof and fuser :( |
| 17:18.33 | zeitsofa | stew: yes i checked this. |
| 17:18.39 | indrora | zeitsofa, lsof doesn't show xen lv's |
| 17:18.45 | indrora | because it doesn't care about xen lv's |
| 17:18.52 | indrora | those are handled at /kernel/ level |
| 17:18.59 | bibekp | jelly, can i PM you the pastebin link ? |
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| 17:19.11 | zeitsofa | indrora: xena:/proc # lsof /dev/xen/dnscache2009 |
| 17:19.11 | zeitsofa | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME |
| 17:19.11 | zeitsofa | qemu-dm 4119 root 8u BLK 253,0 0x180000000 3680 /dev/mapper/xen-dnscache2009 |
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| 17:19.48 | zeitsofa | indrora: and this is the one and only lv there are in use. |
| 17:20.04 | indrora | Are there any xen daemons running? |
| 17:20.13 | zeitsofa | Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) |
| 17:20.13 | zeitsofa | Domain-0 0 2698 2 r----- 44830.0 |
| 17:20.13 | zeitsofa | dnscache2009 1 512 1 -b---- 104753.1 |
| 17:20.27 | zeitsofa | i hope three line are ok here. |
| 17:20.28 | stew | zeitsofa: please use a pastebin instead of flooding the channel |
| 17:20.46 | catsup | heh |
| 17:20.49 | indrora | Sounds like domain-0 is holding onto the xen stuff |
| 17:20.56 | indrora | Stop xen, entirel |
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| 17:21.46 | zeitsofa | stew: ok for you :) 3 lines arn't spam/flood - but for u i like to use nopaste. |
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| 17:22.10 | jelly | bibekp: please put it here in the channel |
| 17:22.28 | bibekp | jelly, http://pastebin.com/04arJDYF |
| 17:22.32 | indrora | zeitsofa, I'd say you need to stop xen instances until you find the one thats using that lv |
| 17:23.16 | stew | (/me points at /msg dpkg flood) |
| 17:23.45 | zeitsofa | hmm i cant stop xen indrora. these vm are a critical vm and have to run everytime :/ |
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| 17:24.28 | prism | hey all everytime I start apache I get this error: ./apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
| 17:24.36 | prism | I purged it and reinstalled |
| 17:24.39 | prism | but I still get the same error |
| 17:24.52 | zeitsofa | indrora: and i don't know, i have to stop xen to check this. can u tell why? |
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| 17:25.14 | jelly | bibekp: whoa. Now see the last few lines, 16746-16753, the script complains there's a backup file already in place. Try moving it away or renaming it |
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| 17:25.33 | stew | prism: note that the /etc/apache2/envvars files is owned by the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package, so purging and reinstalling just the apache2 package wouldn't do anything |
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| 17:25.45 | stew | prism: "/msg dpkg confmiss" use this with the apache2.2-common package |
| 17:25.57 | prism | ta |
| 17:26.06 | Techtronic | hello, debian have this file: libQtDeclarative.so ? |
| 17:26.17 | stew | Techtronic: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:26.28 | babilen | !tell Techtronic about apt-file |
| 17:26.52 | Techtronic | i know what it is, but not found |
| 17:26.55 | Techtronic | why? :/ |
| 17:27.19 | Techtronic | ubuntu have debian no |
| 17:27.25 | stew | Techtronic: debian does |
| 17:28.20 | stew | Techtronic: ah, only in experimental right now |
| 17:28.21 | babilen | Techtronic: Have you actually used apt-file? It is in the package "libqt4-dev" ... |
| 17:28.54 | themill | (that varies between Qt releases) |
| 17:29.35 | stew | judd: versions libqt4-declarative |
| 17:29.36 | judd | Package libqt4-declarative on i386 -- experimental: 4:4.7.0~rc1-1 |
| 17:29.55 | jelly | themill: judd could do with a --release any |
| 17:30.12 | jelly | (the "file" function I mean) |
| 17:30.20 | themill | jelly: hmm... interesting thought. |
| 17:30.29 | babilen | jelly: same for p.d.o :) |
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| 17:35.42 | bibekp | jelly, still not working. |
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| 17:36.15 | mouseclone | before 'man |
| 17:36.18 | mouseclone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.57 | mouseclone | so instead of man (manuals) what was the manual system for *nix |
| 17:36.58 | jelly | bibekp: but I bet it's failing in a different place |
| 17:37.16 | bibekp | jelly, should i pastebin the new log ? |
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| 17:38.31 | stew | mouseclone: debian has had manpages since its inception |
| 17:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | mouseclone: Are you thinking of gnu info? |
| 17:38.50 | mouseclone | guess I need to find a unix channel |
| 17:38.57 | ddilinger | on the debian shootout (shootout.alioth.debian.org) is it possible to get comparissons of the same language running on the 4 different machines? i can see where to compare languages but not the same language on different machines |
| 17:38.58 | jelly | bibekp: yeah, preferably start from where the last one fails, around move_old_database_away |
| 17:39.08 | jmichaelx | on a very old AMD K6-2 machine, running squeeze, i cannot get the nouveau video driver to work unless ACPI is enabled.... however, with ACPI enabled, the network adapter will not function. would anyone have an idea as to might fix this? |
| 17:39.13 | mouseclone | jhutshins: system 5 unix |
| 17:39.50 | stew | mouseclone: you are in the wrong channel then |
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| 17:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | mouseclone: man pages. |
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| 17:40.33 | stew | mouseclone: perhaps ask ##unix |
| 17:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | jmichaelx: Does it work with lenny? |
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| 17:41.36 | jmichaelx | jhutchins_lt: i did a fresh squeeze installation, and am not sure whether or not it would work in lenny |
| 17:41.38 | mouseclone | thx guys |
| 17:41.55 | patterson | The first actual man pages were written by Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson at the insistence of Doug McIlroy in 1971. |
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| 17:42.26 | mouseclone | patterson: I'm looking for the program that was before man was written |
| 17:42.49 | jelly | mouseclone: he just told you they existed before SYSV |
| 17:43.00 | patterson | In the beginning there was the word. (says nothing about before the beginning :)) |
| 17:43.21 | jmichaelx | jhutchins_lt: i am able to use nv, but *not* when ACPI is enabled (the reverse of nouveau) |
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| 17:43.26 | patterson | Man_Page wiki |
| 17:43.27 | bibekp | jelly, http://pastebin.com/ZWGShiRt |
| 17:43.39 | AimHere | Isn't ancient Unix source code available? You might find that program there |
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| 17:45.03 | ddilinger | if unix was born in 1969, and the first man pages were written in 1971, while i dont know i think it would be likely there was nothing before man pages on unix |
| 17:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | AimHere: He's gone, but I don't thik he'll find it. `71 goes back to printing terminals. |
| 17:45.23 | ddilinger | nothing meaning no equivilent |
| 17:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | ddilinger: Printed manuals. |
| 17:45.52 | ddilinger | jhutchins_lt: well, yes :) |
| 17:45.53 | AimHere | Source code |
| 17:45.55 | stew | he did a nice job of drive-by topic derailment |
| 17:46.09 | ddilinger | jhutchins_lt: but printed manuals i dont consider comparable to searchable indexable text |
| 17:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | ddilinger: That doesn't mean that something other than hardcopy existed. |
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| 17:46.53 | jhutchins_lt | ddilinger: That's back to an era when interactive computing was a very new concept. |
| 17:47.02 | jelly | bibekp: ok, can you figure it out yourself? The script thinks there's a dump .ldif in /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch3/ but it's not really present |
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| 17:47.35 | ddilinger | jhutchins_lt: yea, times were different :) we already had 286's when i was a kid |
| 17:47.38 | bibekp | jelly, i could slapcat and generate the ldif, but even that command fails. any hints ? |
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| 17:47.51 | TrackerDPP | hello all |
| 17:48.02 | imganquan | hi all. How to change the default editor gedit to gvim? I'm in Gnome. Thanks |
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| 17:48.14 | jelly | bibekp: how does it fail? Is /var/lib/ldap/ populated at present time at all? |
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| 17:48.15 | ddilinger | imganquan: something with update-alternatives i think |
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| 17:48.30 | themill | bibekp: slapcat failing is consistent with the output you just showed #gosa |
| 17:48.35 | imganquan | ddilinger: eh...thank u. let me see. |
| 17:48.52 | stew | imganquan: try "update-alternatives --config gnome-text-editor" |
| 17:49.49 | imganquan | stew: thank. I'm OK now. |
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| 17:53.18 | ddilinger | on the debian shootout (shootout.alioth.debian.org) is it possible to get comparissons of the same language running on the 4 different machines? i can see where to compare languages but not the same language on different machines |
| 17:53.36 | bibekp | jelly, there are some db files in /var/lib/ldap/ |
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| 17:54.00 | badzo | hello |
| 17:54.16 | badzo | i need some serius help, i've upgraded to sid from lenny and system beep just gone. |
| 17:54.18 | TrackerDPP | hey badzo |
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| 17:54.36 | badzo | it works on console, but on gnome it doesnt want to give a sound |
| 17:54.48 | stew | badzo: is pcspkr kernel module loaded? |
| 17:54.49 | bibekp | themill, i'm sorry, i didnt get you |
| 17:54.56 | badzo | stew: i think so |
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| 17:55.03 | stew | think? |
| 17:55.22 | badzo | iam sure. it works when X's are turned off |
| 17:56.16 | stew | badzo: how did you check if it is loaded? |
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| 17:56.47 | badzo | stew:lsmod pcspkr, and even though i used modprobe pcspkr to load it in case it wasnt |
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| 17:57.18 | stew | badzo: wait, it was loaded before? or you just loaded it now? note that you can get beeps from console through alsa |
| 17:57.24 | badzo | lsmod |grep pcspkr to be sure |
| 17:57.36 | babilen | badzo: terminal bell enabled in your terminal program (e.g. gnome-terminal â edit profile) ? |
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| 17:58.07 | badzo | babilen: yes |
| 17:58.21 | babilen | good :) |
| 17:58.29 | badzo | and i think it is loaded at the time of boot |
| 17:59.06 | badzo | i remember that when i usetr ^G combination it beeped |
| 17:59.07 | babilen | isn't it blacklisted these days? |
| 17:59.36 | stew | badzo: is snd-pcsp loaded? |
| 18:00.30 | badzo | no, it isnt |
| 18:01.24 | badzo | babilen: i cant find such an entry in blacklist.conf |
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| 18:01.34 | badzo | stew:should i load it? |
| 18:01.54 | stew | badzo: no |
| 18:02.43 | badzo | http://paste-it.net/public/o79a447/ |
| 18:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't that for making sound output use the internal speaker? |
| 18:02.59 | badzo | this is the resuld of lsmod |grep snd, i coudl miss something |
| 18:03.04 | badzo | result* |
| 18:03.16 | stew | badzo: does it work in x after "xset b on" ? |
| 18:03.39 | badzo | no, i've tried it too |
| 18:05.27 | badzo | i've been googling for two days with no luck:( |
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| 18:06.31 | babilen | badzo: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 18:07.30 | babilen | badzo: Just to make sure I'll understand you correctly: It is working fine in the console until you start X. It is not working within X and on the console afterwards? Or is it *only* working on the console and not working in X? |
| 18:07.54 | badzo | onyl working in console, in X it isnt |
| 18:08.40 | badzo | and i have no entry after #comment this entry to load pcspkr driver in the file |
| 18:08.55 | badzo | so if i understand correctly, theres nothing to uncomment |
| 18:09.07 | badzo | or comment |
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| 18:10.11 | jelly | bibekp: you didn't say how exactly slapcat is failing. |
| 18:10.59 | babilen | badzo: Good luck. I'm off for dinner. (And I *really* don't understand why you actually *want* the beep, but well, preferences differ ... Good luck again!) |
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| 18:11.16 | badzo | bye |
| 18:12.07 | badzo | i know he left, but as i said. i need it because i use irssi on shell account and need beep to know when i am being called |
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| 18:13.05 | bibekp | jelly, it fails like this: http://pastebin.com/rDfd9Gbs |
| 18:14.48 | bibekp | i copied DB_CONFIG from /usr/share/slapd/ but after each dpkg --reconfigure, it is gone |
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| 18:20.04 | jelly | bibekp: hmph, id2entry.bdb is present on my etch machines. |
| 18:20.25 | jelly | bibekp: do you have a backup of /var/lib/ldap or a previous slapcat do fall back to? |
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| 18:22.04 | jelly | bbiab |
| 18:22.05 | bibekp | jelly, i have a full slapcat export from the original server |
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| 18:25.49 | alphanet | hello, stupid question: lenny 1.3.1-17lenny4 is said to be not affected to CVE-2010-4221, because the bug is not pre 1.3.2. However why are then 1.3.1-17lenny4~bpo40+1 and 1.3.0-19etch3 from etch backports vulnerable? |
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| 18:26.44 | themill | !cve lookup CVE-2010-4221 |
| 18:26.44 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2010-4221 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-4221 |
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| 18:27.57 | alphanet | themill: yes, that's where I have my doubts. |
| 18:28.28 | alphanet | themill: 1.3.1-17lenny4 (fixed) and 1.3.1-17lenny4~bpo40+1 (vulnerable) |
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| 18:29.00 | themill | alphanet: ^^ since etch hasn't been receiving security support since February, you can pretty much assume that it will be vulnerable. |
| 18:29.15 | alphanet | themill: of course. |
| 18:29.46 | alphanet | themill: I am now asking myself, is lenny vulnerable too? since a lenny based etch-backport package is based on apparently the same version. |
| 18:29.51 | alphanet | themill: and is vulnerable. |
| 18:30.00 | alphanet | themill: maybe should I diff both sources? |
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| 18:30.39 | alphanet | themill: moreover the argument that I found saying that lenny is not vulnerable is because it has a version < 1.3.2, which is also the case in etch-backports. So there looks there is something strange out there. |
| 18:30.55 | alphanet | let's diff the sources |
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| 18:31.56 | themill | alphanet: asking the backports people directly in #debian-backports on irc.oftc.net might be a good idea. |
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| 18:32.34 | alphanet | themill: why not; my doubt however is that lenny version is as vulnerable as etch-backport's; I am now doing the diff. |
| 18:32.51 | alphanet | use the source luke |
| 18:33.27 | alphanet | well can't find the source anymore |
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| 18:35.12 | ccw | Hey all. Sorry in advance for the newbie questions. I'm having trouble finding a sufficiently old version of a package I need, libposix-strptime-perl. Where should I be looking |
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| 18:35.15 | ccw | ? |
| 18:35.41 | dutchfish | ccw: debian snapshot |
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| 18:36.09 | alphanet | ok found it on archive.debian.org |
| 18:36.16 | keith4 | ccw: what makes you think you need an old version? |
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| 18:37.28 | ccw | I'm trying to install something that depends on it on ubuntu, but the only versions I've found require a more recent version of perl |
| 18:38.20 | keith4 | try #ubuntu |
| 18:38.21 | ccw | and I'm hesitant to manually upgrade that |
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| 18:39.07 | ccw | keith4: unfortunately, the ubuntu repos do not include this package |
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| 18:39.47 | Mattador | hello |
| 18:40.00 | Mattador | I thought a new debian install was only 1 cd.. why ftp now cd1-5? |
| 18:40.16 | Mattador | does basic install only require cd1? |
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| 18:40.27 | stew | Mattador: only one cd is required. there are many more available to get packages to machines without a network |
| 18:40.41 | stew | ccw: we only support debian in here, not ubuntu |
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| 18:41.43 | alphanet | themill: ok, the vulnerable package and the unvulnerable package differ by almost nothing |
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| 18:42.12 | alphanet | themill: so, either the bug is in a dependant library, or lenny is AS vulnerable as etch-backports, which doesn't necessarily mean it IS vulnerable. |
| 18:42.20 | alphanet | themill: should I report this? |
| 18:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | alphanet: It's those almosts that make all the difference. |
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| 18:42.45 | alphanet | jhutchins_lt: yes, no change in 2010 |
| 18:43.07 | alphanet | JulienBussi: no reference to that CVE |
| 18:43.09 | ccw | stew: Yeah, I wasn't clear there. I really do want the debian package, and I think dutchfish answered my question |
| 18:43.15 | alphanet | jhutchins_lt: well I meant you |
| 18:43.29 | alphanet | jhutchins_lt: puzzling, isn't it? |
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| 18:43.39 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, no definitive answer. |
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| 18:43.55 | alphanet | jhutchins_lt: so either lenny's commentary is right and there is no vulnerability < 1.3.2 so lenny AND etch are not vulnerable to that |
| 18:43.58 | alphanet | jhutchins_lt: or both are. |
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| 18:44.51 | alphanet | let's report this. |
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| 18:45.57 | dutchfish | hi, where can i find out/read about the status of portbox on mips in debian squeeze? |
| 18:46.31 | Mattador | So when choosing a basic server install on http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ .. do i just get cd1 ? |
| 18:46.35 | Mattador | no other cd is required? |
| 18:46.44 | lamah | yes |
| 18:46.51 | Mattador | thnk you |
| 18:47.07 | lamah | but I recommend DVD |
| 18:47.16 | abrotman | dutchfish: the buildd logs perhaps? |
| 18:47.16 | stew | Mattador: or you can get a netinst which is a 180mb cd |
| 18:47.23 | lamah | Mattador: but yes this CD is ok |
| 18:47.35 | lamah | netinst sucks |
| 18:47.41 | stew | lamah: why a dvd? you are going to download gigabytes of stuff you won't use |
| 18:47.44 | dutchfish | abrotman: zilch, see http://release.debian.org/squeeze/arch_qualify.html |
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| 18:48.03 | lamah | Mattador: get the CD |
| 18:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | has been using netinst since they became available. |
| 18:48.44 | Mattador | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-506-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:48.52 | abrotman | dutchfish: ther'es no package called portbox ? |
| 18:48.55 | Mattador | all i need correct? |
| 18:49.01 | lamah | Mattador: yes if you are i386:) |
| 18:49.07 | Mattador | k :) |
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| 18:49.22 | lamah | is waiting for version 6.0 |
| 18:49.23 | keith4 | dutchfish: it's been discussed on the debian-mips list |
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| 18:49.53 | dutchfish | keith4: thank you very much, i'll take a peak |
| 18:50.05 | keith4 | Mattador: all you need is the netinst CD (~150MB), if you have a 'net connection |
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| 18:51.14 | keith4 | dutchfish: also, see http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | thought portbox was a package .. not 'the' porting box |
| 18:52.06 | dutchfish | keith4: thanks again ! |
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| 19:13.13 | stew | WALoeIII: if you mean the suite of packaging tools, probably #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 19:49.52 | fbs | are there more people here getting a certifcate erro on omega.contacts.msn.com with pidgn? |
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| 19:50.34 | cahoot | fbh: by rumor yes |
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| 19:50.52 | hochron | how do I download wine 1.3.2?? the version I got from synaptic is 1.0.1-1 |
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| 19:51.51 | hochron | or how can you tell the version from apt-cache search wine?? |
| 19:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache madison wine |
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| 19:52.12 | peterrooney | ,versions wine |
| 19:52.13 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3+b1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 19:52.36 | peterrooney | hochron: looks like `from source |
| 19:52.44 | peterrooney | ' is your only option |
| 19:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions wine-bin-unstable |
| 19:53.02 | judd | Package wine-bin-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.32-1+b1 |
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| 19:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell hochron -about ssb |
| 19:53.44 | hochron | ok peterrooney, can someone help me with that? I have lenny |
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| 19:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | already did... but that might turn out to be difficult for lenny, if it depends on too many things that are only in squeeze |
| 19:54.46 | hochron | ok |
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| 19:55.56 | themill | the version you're looking for isn't anywhere in debian, so it's not a simple sid backport at all |
| 19:56.12 | verma | hmm .. How many of the debian dvd images would I need if I just need to install a standard system? |
| 19:56.40 | abrotman | the netinst is really the best way |
| 19:56.56 | verma | abrotman: I tried netinst, but my network controller is not working |
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| 19:57.09 | abrotman | oh .. DVD1 hsould be more than enoguh for you |
| 19:57.24 | verma | abrotman: ok, thanks :) |
| 19:58.13 | abrotman | verma: what NIC do you have? |
| 19:58.56 | verma | abrotman: broadcom bcm57780 |
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| 20:01.05 | FlapFlap | hi there |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | verma: doesn't that just need firmware? |
| 20:01.26 | verma | abrotman: I cannot find any resources on getting it to work |
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| 20:01.30 | verma | abrotman: hmmm, I am not sure |
| 20:01.36 | FlapFlap | Someone knows if brcm80211 works fine ? ( http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 for broadcom 4313 ) |
| 20:01.37 | verma | abrotman: can you elaborate? |
| 20:02.34 | abrotman | verma: some of the broadcom cards require firmware |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | verma: it's a 5780 ? |
| 20:03.00 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bcm5700-source |
| 20:03.04 | abrotman | like that kind of ? |
| 20:03.09 | verma | abrotman: 57780 |
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| 20:03.34 | Mr_Queue | Anyone have a better suggestion to vnstat to monitor bandwidth consumption? |
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| 20:04.02 | hochron | CutMeOwnThroat: what is <bdo>? |
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| 20:05.07 | verma | abrotman: 57780 I got from a machine which is identical to the one I am trying to install lenny on. Let me boot it up with a live cd and see what chipset it has. |
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| 20:05.57 | verma | abrotman: once I install the firmware package, do I have to do anything specific to get the NIC working? |
| 20:06.37 | abrotman | that's nto firmware ... sorry, that's out of tree driver |
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| 20:07.36 | verma | abrotman: I found this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-bnx2 |
| 20:08.21 | verma | abrotman: it is indeed 57780 on the other box. |
| 20:08.24 | FlapFlap | Someone knows if brcm80211 works fine ? ( http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 for broadcom 4313 ) |
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| 20:12.11 | dutchfish | FlapFlap: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 20:13.31 | hmasterson_work | Does anyone know if this bug http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=51905 is fixed in the latest Debian stable? |
| 20:13.47 | Bushmills | Mr_Queue: iptables stub rules |
| 20:14.06 | FlapFlap | dutchfish: that's what I linked, but dunno if it works fine |
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| 20:15.25 | hmasterson_work | that is, 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 |
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| 20:16.06 | verma | what all packages would I need to build kernel modules on lenny? |
| 20:16.37 | verma | I mean, is there like a devel group that installs the necessary packages? |
| 20:16.41 | flock-_ | anyone have an ideia why normal users can't access to /proc/net ? when try it says: ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 20:16.43 | hochron | do I add this line to sources.list?? "deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian sid-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 20:17.38 | hochron | via the ssb instructions |
| 20:17.51 | abrotman | verma: so give it a whirl |
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| 20:18.50 | Bushmills | verma: module-assistant |
| 20:18.53 | joshy_ | #debian-woman |
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| 20:19.42 | Bushmills | you may also have to install build-essential and kernel sources |
| 20:20.12 | verma | Bushmills: thanks :) |
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| 20:21.22 | joshy_ | heh! I'm looking for a way to optimize my apt/sources.lst. Is there a tool for finding the best mirror? |
| 20:22.37 | prism | joshy_ even though its technically impossible to be 100% correct you could do it yourself |
| 20:22.43 | prism | just get a mirror list and drag that same file from each mirror |
| 20:22.47 | prism | record the speed and wallah |
| 20:22.54 | prism | however the speed will actually alter during load |
| 20:23.08 | prism | so if you write a script to do it; do it once an hour for 24 hours and create a mean average |
| 20:23.17 | stew | joshy_: there is apt-spy and netselect-apt |
| 20:23.50 | keith4 | there's also an attempt at using geo-ip to find the closest mirror, but i don't know if that's considered "ready" |
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| 20:24.36 | Bushmills | you'll have a problem finding the fastest mirror when your internet connection is slower than the mirror |
| 20:25.06 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
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| 20:26.42 | hochron | its unable to find the source package for wine |
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| 20:29.33 | simonrvn | themill: is that active? |
| 20:29.38 | simonrvn | themill: seems to be |
| 20:29.51 | themill | yeah, just tried it out mysel |
| 20:29.53 | joshy_ | hmmm... apt-spy is no longer in the Ubuntu repository for releases newer than feisty. |
| 20:29.56 | simonrvn | nice |
| 20:30.13 | themill | joshy_: you should ask #ubuntu about that. (and or ubuntu support in general) |
| 20:30.18 | simonrvn | that'll solve a lot of issues |
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| 20:35.27 | themill | dpkg, geo sources.list is <reply>To have apt automatically select a close mirror to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ lenny main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. |
| 20:35.27 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 20:37.32 | abrotman | themill: it should damn default to that! |
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| 20:39.05 | prism | if I install a package lets say request-tracker for example, where would it install documentation like README's etc |
| 20:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: okay |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | prism: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ usually |
| 20:39.26 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: whowha? |
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| 20:39.46 | prism | ty abrotman |
| 20:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should damn default to that! |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | oh, yeah |
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| 20:41.25 | prism | root@serial:/usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.8# grep -r "postfix" `pwd` |
| 20:41.27 | prism | hmm no love |
| 20:41.32 | amee2k | is there a way to purge all removed packages that still have stale configuration lingering somewhere? |
| 20:41.38 | prism | has anyone got request tracker installed, I ust postfix with local users |
| 20:41.46 | prism | just need the config strings to tell rt that |
| 20:41.58 | stew | amee2k: what makes configuration "stale"? or do you mean just purge all removed packages? |
| 20:42.24 | amee2k | yeah |
| 20:42.25 | amee2k | i've installed and removed lots of stuff and aptitude is getting kinda slow |
| 20:42.28 | pipeline | prism: rt doesn't care about your mail configuration. Just add lines to /etc/aliases that will funnel mail into the rt-mailgate script, and off you go. |
| 20:42.48 | stew | amee2k: "aptitude purge '~c'" I wouldn't expect this to change the speed of aptitude though |
| 20:42.50 | amee2k | i have a hunch there is lots of old shit in the databases that noone needs anymore |
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| 20:43.04 | pipeline | prism: rt-mailgate handles all the rt-specific config through command args. RT doesn't care how the mail arrives. |
| 20:43.09 | amee2k | its a low-spec system, remember? ;) |
| 20:43.18 | stew | yes |
| 20:43.27 | prism | pipeline, awesome could I be rude and ask how I would do that, I suck with MTA's |
| 20:43.53 | amee2k | it takes like two minutes just to read its state stuff now |
| 20:43.58 | amee2k | was like 30 seconds before |
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| 20:44.41 | pipeline | prism: man aliases |
| 20:45.23 | pipeline | prism: in general, you'll have the mailbox name, a colon, and then rt-mailgate e.g. mymailboxname: "|/usr/bin/rt-mailgate --action correspond --url https://localhost:443" |
| 20:45.40 | pipeline | prism: you'll probably want a separate alias and rt-mailgate entry for each queue |
| 20:45.53 | amee2k | hm |
| 20:45.56 | prism | I see |
| 20:46.06 | amee2k | stew: that only purged a single package. sure its the right command? |
| 20:46.11 | flock-_ | anyone have an ideia why normal users can't access to /proc/net ? when try it says: ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 20:46.21 | pipeline | prism: remember: "correspond" = public, "comment" = private. |
| 20:46.30 | stew | amee2k: yes |
| 20:46.36 | prism | pipeline, me and a couple of guys are using rt just for a couple of personal projects that have well grown over their original scope I was just going to use the general queue, would you recommend that? |
| 20:46.39 | prism | for a small audiance |
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| 20:47.11 | stew | amee2k: afterward "aptitude search '~c'" should show no packages in the 'c' state (removed but config files remaining) |
| 20:47.29 | amee2k | does apt have a way to clean up more of its internal state than just the cache? |
| 20:47.44 | amee2k | because somehow this slowdown doesn't compute |
| 20:47.45 | stew | amee2k: aptitude update |
| 20:47.45 | amee2k | >_< |
| 20:47.54 | pipeline | prism: you should probably still use multiple queues for convenience |
| 20:48.04 | prism | pipeline, infact; extending from our chat, if I fail setting this up and believe me its likely. This really is not in my area or even my OS. What would you charge for the mail part of the setup apache and rt are working perfectly already. |
| 20:48.04 | pipeline | prism: I do 99% of my interaction through e-mail, in which case I don't care what queue a ticket is in |
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| 20:48.26 | prism | setup; apache * |
| 20:48.27 | pipeline | prism: but for the 1% other, it's handy to be lumped into a queue |
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| 20:49.58 | mr_dallas | I was trying to contact the maintainer for zgv package, he seems to have vanished |
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| 20:50.26 | mr_dallas | wanted to submit a zgv based script for inclusion with the package |
| 20:50.40 | mr_dallas | any ideas what I should do? |
| 20:50.45 | stew | mr_dallas: file a wishlist bug if you haven't already |
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| 20:51.00 | stew | mr_dallas: with the script attached, and tag the bug "patch" |
| 20:51.18 | mr_dallas | ok sounds like a good plan stew, thanks for the advice |
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| 20:52.59 | jhutchins | What's the vi setting that highlights matching html tags? |
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| 20:54.28 | prism | ah |
| 20:54.33 | prism | you have to actually wonder why |
| 20:54.49 | prism | I mean spamming viagra or fraudlant paypal fine you can get financial gain |
| 20:55.00 | prism | its like spam emails that reffer to 404's |
| 20:55.11 | prism | sorry just ranting >.> humans confuse me sometimes |
| 20:55.41 | stew | prism: -> ##comment_on_spam |
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| 20:56.40 | abrotman | looks at stew |
| 20:57.04 | stew | hi |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | OMGSOX! |
| 20:57.26 | joshy_ | is there a way to get a list with packages that are get installed since setting up the system |
| 20:57.28 | joshy_ | ? |
| 20:57.39 | abrotman | is he still running ubuntu? |
| 20:57.43 | stew | joshy_: in ubuntu? |
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| 20:58.21 | joshy_ | package manager (apt / aptitude) is still the same in ubuntu / debian |
| 20:58.26 | stew | joshy_: ask #ubuntu |
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| 20:58.57 | joshy_ | ok i have to install sid and asking again^^ |
| 20:59.09 | abrotman | joshy_: go to #ubuntu, that's your last warning |
| 20:59.39 | joshy_ | I'm still @#ubuntu |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | stop asking here, thank you |
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| 21:09.46 | juniorsa | Hi, sometimes when I ssh from 1 server to another it is almost instantaneous and sometimes it takes loooong, it wouldn't bother me but this triggers nagios alerts from my monitoring, I have 2 choices 1 figure out what is going on, or 2 increase the timeout on the nagios alert, any suggestions? |
| 21:11.07 | mutante | juniorsa: using hostnames or IPs? is it the DNS lookup that is sometimes slow? |
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| 21:11.22 | karlpinc | juniorsa: Look at reverse dns lookups too. |
| 21:12.02 | juniorsa | karlpinc: how do I test reverse dns lookups? |
| 21:12.12 | juniorsa | mutante: I am using names |
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| 21:12.50 | juniorsa | even by ip it takes long, I just tried |
| 21:12.54 | Tramp | juniorsa: on the server-host, try to resolve the client's ip |
| 21:13.09 | juniorsa | exit |
| 21:13.12 | juniorsa | oops wrong window :) |
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| 21:14.28 | mutante | hrmm, 2 Debian VMs on VMware ESXi4, the first is a router and routes to the second, a www/mysql server. used to work fine, now the www one keeps "freezing", no network connectivity at all, i need to poweroff/poweron the VM from ESXi console, it works again right after reboot, a couple hours or a day later it happens again. /var/log/messages doesnt show much / nothing suspicous. Now dont even know where to really investigate |
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| 21:15.15 | mutante | the router VM is running fine the whole time |
| 21:15.25 | juniorsa | I put a hosts file entry for my host that connects via dynamic IP and now it is fast again :) |
| 21:15.35 | juniorsa | thanks debian gods your the best :) |
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| 21:16.04 | flock-_ | anyone have an ideia why normal users can't access to /proc/net ? when try it says: ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
| 21:16.48 | stew | flock-_: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:17.29 | mutante | hmm, i can ls /proc/net as normal user. and it is: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2010-11-18 22:16 /proc/net -> self/net |
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| 21:19.20 | flock-_ | I believe thats something related with the kernel of OVH |
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| 21:22.47 | flock-_ | how I can put mysql accepting external conenctions? |
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| 21:23.19 | stew | flock-_: look at bind-address in my.cnf |
| 21:23.48 | flock-_ | was 127.0.0.1 and I have changed to my machine IP |
| 21:24.01 | neurolysis | flock-_: that shouldn't happen |
| 21:24.05 | neurolysis | maybe a module panicked |
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| 21:25.14 | mutante | flock-_: and use the external IP in a GRANT .. 'user'@'IP' .. statement on the console |
| 21:26.06 | stew | flock-_: you might wnt 0.0.0.0 instead meaning "all ip addresses" so taht 127.0.0.1 still works |
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| 21:33.42 | cga | hi , how do i prevent a software to get installed ? can i ban it? |
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| 21:34.07 | themill | cga: can you be more verbose? |
| 21:34.10 | Cubey` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.42 | do0ob | Thats not very nice |
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| 21:34.58 | factor | I was Just told that is not true, but you can use it if you wish |
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| 21:36.20 | cga | themill: i compile nginx by myself since i need some modules that are not compiled in debian version. can i prevent to get debian's nginx installed somehow? |
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| 21:37.26 | stew | cga: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 21:38.08 | cga | stew: ok thanks |
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| 22:03.57 | hochron | when using wget what does this error message mean? "Cannot write to `-' (Broken pipe)." |
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| 22:04.56 | timw | does anyone know how to get the squeeze debian installer to install grub(2) onto the mbr of an mdraid mirror? Either during install or after. I have the system up and running but only using a small non-raid disk in front. |
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| 22:06.14 | ewook | yo. anyone awake? |
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| 22:06.55 | ewook | Anyone bumbed into a Neighbour table overflow issue? |
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| 22:07.12 | Bushmills | estimated 4 to 5 billion people of world population could be awake now |
| 22:07.34 | ewook | and upping the values for the gc_thresh[1-3] did nothing |
| 22:07.37 | Bushmills | thus, "yes, uttermost likely" |
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| 22:07.52 | ewook | Bushmills: the question was localized into this channel ;) |
| 22:08.07 | Bushmills | !poll |
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| 22:08.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 22:08.07 | ewook | Bushmills: But I get your point :P |
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| 22:13.21 | eshat | when I build a package using pbuilder, is the log saved somewhere ? |
| 22:13.25 | Soothsayer | in my list of processes |
| 22:13.30 | Soothsayer | i have many instances of /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
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| 22:13.56 | Soothsayer | and also stuff like sshd: johndoe@notty |
| 22:15.33 | joshy_ | how to add gpg-key for http://http.us.debian.org sid? |
| 22:15.58 | themill | to your ubuntu box? ask in #ubuntu for advice on that. |
| 22:16.20 | joshy_ | no for my chroot'ed sid |
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| 22:21.50 | flock-_ | how to change a user passwrd? |
| 22:21.57 | flock-_ | as root |
| 22:22.23 | metalfoo | passwd foobar |
| 22:24.26 | eshat | this foo bar thing could really confuse beginners,... |
| 22:24.51 | eshat | even reading the history why it is foo bar on wikipedia confused me :D |
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| 22:26.05 | f8l | flock-_: As metalfoo said, where "foobar" is the name of a user whose password you want to change. |
| 22:26.16 | flock-_ | yes I understand |
| 22:26.18 | flock-_ | thank you |
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| 22:36.55 | BLZbubba | ok i have a filesystem that won't unmount, and lsof/fuser aren't helpful. local disk, no nfs or anything. is there anything else that can block it from unmounting? |
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| 22:37.58 | enthdegree | My mouse does not work. |
| 22:38.41 | joshy_ | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 22:38.53 | flock-_ | anyone have an ideia why normal users can't access to /proc/net ? when try it says: ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument - I am running a dedicated server on OVH |
| 22:38.56 | joshy_ | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 22:39.02 | joshy_ | => not working |
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| 22:40.35 | ewook | BLZbubba: you could do a lazy-unmount but I take no responsibility of what might happen :P |
| 22:40.45 | ewook | BLZbubba: unmount /mnt -l |
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| 22:41.28 | ewook | flock-_: just makes sense that a normal user cannot go to /proc |
| 22:44.05 | BLZbubba | lazy unmount still keeps the device locked though |
| 22:44.25 | BLZbubba | i did a remounte to ro first too, so the data should be ok |
| 22:45.25 | joshy_ | apt-key add /etc/gnupg/pubring.gpg => done it => thx for not helping an ubuntu user^^ |
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| 23:01.39 | laurus | Has anyone here had problems with the Debian Squeeze Beta1 installer? I already filed a bug report but I was just wondering if others had had problems with it crashing on the initial screen after selecting "Install Debian." |
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| 23:13.33 | tonytraductor | hi |
| 23:14.00 | ron_ | Hey has anybody got red5 (flash streaming server) working on Lenny? |
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| 23:15.08 | tonytraductor | I seem to have lost control of my dvd-rw drive. The hardware seems to be fine, but I can't access it to burn discs, and, indeed, can't even eject, either with 'eject' at the cli, or with the button on the machine, although, if I reboot, the bios will let me eject it. Just, once the kernel boots and linux is running, nada. I burnt discs just a few days ago without issue |
| 23:15.55 | tonytraductor | k3b told me it didn't have permission to use the device, this morning, while, the other day it did without issue. I'm unsure how to proceed to diagnose the problem, and definitely have no clue what could have changed in the past few days to make it behave as it now is. |
| 23:16.51 | tonytraductor | any and all assistance appreciated, as always |
| 23:19.36 | tonytraductor | I know my user is in the cdrom group. also, can't even "eject" at cli as root. The cli hesitates, the light on the drive blinks, but it doesn't open, then the cli gives a prompt, no error, as though it had successfully completed its task. |
| 23:19.55 | tonytraductor | oh, this is on lenny. I suppose I should mention that. :) |
| 23:20.41 | tonytraductor | I had other weird hardware things happen today. 3 usb outlets on my monitor that used to work stopped working (thankfully I have more usb oulets on the tower, had to move mouse and keyboard over there). |
| 23:20.52 | roe | I am trying to configure LDAPS as an auth provider in Apache2. Where is the correct place to put: LDAPVerifyServerCert? The apache docs says it belongs in httpd.conf, but debian doesn't use it |
| 23:20.54 | tonytraductor | but, I'm primarily concerned, at the moment, with the dvd drive |
| 23:23.59 | roe | tonytraductor, is there something in the drive? |
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| 23:24.23 | ron_ | Hey has anybody got red5 (flash streaming server) working on Lenny? |
| 23:24.42 | ron_ | I have it installed but the browser just says "waiting for reply" then times out. |
| 23:25.31 | tonytraductor | at the moment, there IS a CD in the drive. I was trying to make a music CD to play in my car this morning. (Maskávo, Brazilian reggae). |
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| 23:25.52 | tonytraductor | but even empty, I can't control the drive. |
| 23:26.33 | tonytraductor | oh..no, the drive is empty. (I manually opened it with a paperclip and checked) |
| 23:26.45 | tonytraductor | weird...now the button is working |
| 23:26.52 | roe | does dmesg give you any more information? |
| 23:27.14 | tonytraductor | let me see if k3b can play. I just got home and had only tried "eject" at cli to verify if this morning's issue had changed |
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| 23:27.28 | tonytraductor | weird. 5 minutes ago, couldn |
| 23:27.39 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.55 | tonytraductor | the debian faeries may have fixed the problem while I was away from the office? |
| 23:29.23 | tonytraductor | weird..k3b is now burning my Maskávo disc. |
| 23:29.56 | tonytraductor | false alarm? I wonder what was going on this morning. Maybe rebooting resolved the issue? I generally avoid rebooting, and get uptimes of up to a year, sometimes. |
| 23:30.05 | tonytraductor | today was the first time in about 6 months |
| 23:30.46 | tonytraductor | no. 2 days ago was the first halt in 6 months (I halted to clean out the fan on the cpu, because it was making a lot of noise). It really is time to replace this machine, but money's tight. |
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| 23:31.21 | tonytraductor | chucha... Error! Cdrecord has no permission to open the device. |
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| 23:31.50 | tonytraductor | and now "eject" at cli is doing the same thing (blinking light, but no eject). |
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| 23:36.34 | djura-san | o/ |
| 23:37.25 | tonytraductor | manually ejected...now Brasero appears to be successfully burning my disk. Possibly k3b is at the root of the issue, but, it was working fine last week. |
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| 23:38.30 | tonytraductor | not sure what to look for in dmesg |
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| 23:47.21 | Boohemian | hi. how can i install php-apc for debian lenny if i don't want to use php5.3? (i am still using the 5.2 branch and don't want to update php itself) |
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| 23:48.46 | factran | Hi !I've got a frustrating problem with my network monitor applet : it's in my taskbar, but when I click "configure" I have a message stating I don't have the right to do this. My user is in the group netdev. What can I do ? |
| 23:49.00 | factran | (debian squeeze) |
| 23:49.25 | tonytraductor | brasero successfully burnt a disc. k3b must be hosed and messing with the drive. |
| 23:49.30 | factran | (on a small laptop) |
| 23:49.45 | tonytraductor | I only installed k3b a few weeks ago. Guess I should have just stuck with brasero, after all. |
| 23:51.25 | factran | is it a problem with my keyring ? |
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| 23:52.48 | streuner_ | Why not jus using interfaces? |
| 23:52.55 | streuner_ | s/jus/just/ |
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| 23:53.44 | streuner_ | factran: and thats the error? |
| 23:54.23 | streuner_ | factran: in order to configure WLAN? |
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| 23:56.10 | streuner_ | factran: just try http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 23:57.35 | streuner_ | factran: well, you need to logout and back in, after you add the user to netdev group |
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