| 00:00.40 | factran | streuner_, the link is a good one, i already see some error in my network/interfaces, i'll look that. |
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| 00:05.52 | shaa | Hey |
| 00:05.53 | ron_ | Can Anybody help me get reg5 working? its not working for me http://rons-forum.co.uk:5080/demos/port_tester.html |
| 00:06.01 | ron_ | it just sites there waiting |
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| 00:06.22 | shaa | Anyone have a link for a complete discription of all of the files in the business card iso |
| 00:06.55 | shaa | i.e to be able to create a basic system, debian setup with just busybox and debians toolset |
| 00:10.31 | shaa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:17.09 | factran | streuner_, my wifi is now working well, thanks a lot. |
| 00:17.19 | streuner_ | np |
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| 00:18.59 | factran | streuner_, as a thank you, look at that : http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html i think it worked for me. but maybe, it's just a placebo effect |
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| 00:36.18 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have a small problem with my mouse and joystick together. Every time, after put the joystick in any port the mouse cross the screen to the corner. |
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| 00:37.02 | EduardeCalibal | I test the same device a some months and work without problem. |
| 00:37.11 | EduardeCalibal | But now, have this bug. :-/ |
| 00:37.44 | EduardeCalibal | Device 0079:0011 DragonRise Inc. |
| 00:37.51 | EduardeCalibal | Is a generic joystick. |
| 00:38.18 | joeytwiddle | it sounds to me like the data streams are getting mixed, when they should be separate |
| 00:38.23 | joeytwiddle | like in ghostbusters |
| 00:38.26 | joeytwiddle | sorry that's not very helpful |
| 00:38.30 | EduardeCalibal | oO |
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| 00:39.35 | EduardeCalibal | I shutdown some modules to seek the source of this problem. After kill hid and usbhid (and my mouse and keyborar) the joystick still detected. |
| 00:39.41 | EduardeCalibal | ...by module ohci-hcd |
| 00:40.03 | joeytwiddle | then it works ok? |
| 00:40.10 | EduardeCalibal | I have a form to put this device (0079:0011) in a black list? |
| 00:40.16 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe... |
| 00:40.20 | EduardeCalibal | But is detected. |
| 00:40.58 | joeytwiddle | the joystick data might come in on /dev/ttyS0 or S1/2/3 |
| 00:41.06 | EduardeCalibal | Moment. |
| 00:42.16 | EduardeCalibal | I don't see the device, have only a long name: input: USB Gamepad as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/usb2/2-7/2-7:1.0/input/input99 |
| 00:42.45 | EduardeCalibal | I think in some like /dev/input1 |
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| 00:43.37 | EduardeCalibal | Is working when fight with my mouse... |
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| 00:45.46 | EduardeCalibal | Some tip to put this device in a black list, I only know a form to put a module in a black list... :-/ |
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| 00:48.37 | Dsee | hello, how long does it take to format a 2TB drive @ Debian install? Also, is there a way a "status" bar could be implemented to the install, it has been stuck @ 33% for a few minutes now, and I've read online it's formatting, but it just doesn't display a status.. |
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| 00:49.04 | karsten-nr | Dsee: it depends. In part on what filesystem you're using. I'd expect it to take a few minutes, more than 1, fewer than 30. |
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| 00:49.34 | Raydiation | im gonna set up a router in about 2 weeks. do you already recommend squeeze for stable deployment? |
| 00:50.05 | karsten-nr | Dsee: You can also switch to another console (alt-F[2-4] IIRC) which will launch a shell. You can check to see if your system's hosed there (dmesg, other stuff). |
| 00:50.25 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: I'd stick to stable for routers unless you need some specific advanced feature. |
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| 00:50.45 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: Squeeze won't be released for quite some time, it's going to be pretty volatile. |
| 00:50.54 | Raydiation | karsten-nr: ty |
| 00:51.18 | karsten-nr | NP |
| 00:52.04 | Raydiation | karsten-nr: i suppose openvpn 2.1 and 2.2 are compatible, thats the only thing im not 100% sure |
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| 00:52.37 | Boohemian | where does debian lenny install an application's libraries if you install via aptitude? |
| 00:52.53 | Raydiation | Boohemian: /usr/lib ? |
| 00:53.03 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: dpkg -L <package> | grep lib |
| 00:53.44 | Gorroth | mmm, debian goodness |
| 00:53.48 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 00:53.53 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: If the libraries are required at boot: /lib. If not: /usr/lib. If they're application-specific, possibly /usr/share/ |
| 00:54.15 | Boohemian | karsten-nr: i tried dpkg -L geoip-bin | grep lib and got nothing. Raydiation i already checked there, nothing. |
| 00:54.45 | Raydiation | Boohemian: what kind of library is it? python libraries tend to go into an other directory |
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| 00:55.17 | Boohemian | i am trying to install Geo::IP (see:http://www.maxmind.com/app/perl?rId=awstats). i have to first install the GeoIP C Library, which i found in debian lenny, so i did (called geoip-bin). is the problem because geoip-bin and GeoIP C library are two different things? |
| 00:55.23 | Boohemian | perl/c |
| 00:55.41 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: Well, then, it's possible that the package doesn't include libraries. |
| 00:55.48 | Dsee | karsten-nr you were right, first 2TB drive finished 1min ago.. so I would say 10-15min |
| 00:55.55 | Boohemian | i found GeoIP.dat inside /usr/share/GeoIP/* |
| 00:56.04 | fas3r | i use DNAT on server A to redirect ssh to server B. On server B i DROP everything by default except ssh from server A. I used tcpdump to sniff the packets, it arrive to server B but i dont have the comeback (i tried to use masquerade on server B but no succes). Any idea ? |
| 00:56.19 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libgeo-ip-perl/filelist |
| 00:56.20 | Boohemian | karsten-nr: oh, okay. so i should just install from source? then i guess i should remove it first from aptitude. weird that it wouldn't include the libs |
| 00:56.27 | karsten-nr | Dsee: :) |
| 00:56.31 | Gorroth | Boohemian: you probably want libgeoip-dev |
| 00:56.41 | karsten-nr | Dsee: What filesystem if I might ask? And I'd suggest ext4 over ext3. |
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| 00:56.55 | Boohemian | Gorroth: :) |
| 00:57.19 | Raydiation | karsten-nr: ah yeah, ext4 is standard in lenny right? |
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| 00:57.24 | Raydiation | i remember 2.6.26 having issues with ext4 |
| 00:57.29 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: If you're lookign for, say, development libraries, you probably want to install the -dev package. |
| 00:57.32 | Gorroth | Boohemian: in debian, packages that include libraries and header files usually end in *-dev |
| 00:57.49 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: If you know what specific library file(s) you want, you can search for them with apt-file or auto-apt. |
| 00:58.04 | Boohemian | weird, it says i have 1.4.7beta6* currently, and if i install libgeoip-dev now it will downgrade to 1.4.4.... |
| 00:58.12 | Gorroth | so downgrade |
| 00:58.33 | karsten-nr | Boohemian: I'd suggest auto-apt. If you're building stuff, it'll detect what you're trying to access (with 'auto-apt shell'), and then politely ask if you'd perhaps like the appropriate package(s) installed. |
| 00:58.40 | Gorroth | that or you can go to debian-testing or debian-unstable if you want newer, or you can build your own versions |
| 00:59.07 | Gorroth | in this case, i th8nik he just simply needs libgeoip-dev |
| 00:59.32 | Boohemian | Gorroth: why wouldn't my perl script find the libraries in the beta? it wants to remove "webalizer" - i have NO idea why geoip would remove webalizer, doesn't seem relevant |
| 00:59.36 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: ext4 isn't supported in lenny AFAIK, it _is_ in squeeze though. |
| 00:59.47 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: You can convert from ext3 -> ext4 |
| 01:00.40 | Gorroth | Boohemian: webalizer probably uses geoip somehow to locate where users are |
| 01:00.44 | Boohemian | ah |
| 01:01.01 | Boohemian | so maybe i'll just install from source. get the latest and i can keep webalizer |
| 01:01.08 | Gorroth | yes, you can do that |
| 01:01.18 | Boohemian | is there a downside? (other than maintenance) |
| 01:01.18 | Gorroth | or try to fetch from -testing or -unstable |
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| 01:01.37 | Gorroth | not really. you could build your own debian package even and make maintenance easier |
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| 01:03.02 | Boohemian | Gorroth: if i fetch from -testing or -unstable, that means to add a line in my etc/apt/sources.list config, right? |
| 01:03.23 | Gorroth | you may like to read this if you want to make your own debian package: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:03.30 | Dsee | karsten-nr I believe ext3. (default, right?) |
| 01:03.35 | Gorroth | Boohemian: yes |
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| 01:03.46 | Gorroth | Boohemian: and after you get what you need, i recommend taking the line back out |
| 01:03.57 | Gorroth | unless you plan to upgrade your whole system to -testing or -unstable |
| 01:04.15 | Gorroth | you can just comment it out actually; you don't need to delete the line |
| 01:04.35 | Dsee | karsten-nr I was reading online, it was saying ext4 is still unsafe, compared to ext3. I would like to avoid data loss.. |
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| 01:05.24 | Boohemian | Gorroth: what line do i have to add? then i run aptitude update, right? |
| 01:05.33 | Gorroth | saying something is unsafe next to something else isn't saying much |
| 01:05.52 | Gorroth | if they have some evidence saying why it's unsafe, that'd be something. i have been using ext4 with no problems |
| 01:06.12 | Gorroth | Boohemian: i think you need to read the manual |
| 01:06.20 | Gorroth | Boohemian: i can't babysit through the process |
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| 01:06.36 | Dsee | Gorroth for how long have you been running ext4? |
| 01:07.16 | Gorroth | just a little while; i use it on my kubuntu systems |
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| 01:07.31 | Gorroth | i wouldn't necessarily put it on a production server, but on my workstation it's fine |
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| 01:08.37 | Gorroth | i also am using it on this netbook right now |
| 01:08.41 | Gorroth | in kubuntu |
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| 01:12.33 | Raydiation | karsten-nr: if i had to get a newer kernel because of some hw, would you recommned getting sqeeze or setting up an other distro? |
| 01:12.58 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: I'd just build a new kernel. |
| 01:13.00 | jordanm | Raydiation: thats what backports are for |
| 01:13.10 | jordanm | karsten-nr: backports! |
| 01:13.26 | Raydiation | jordanm: ah k ty |
| 01:13.26 | karsten-nr | jordanm: kp! |
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| 01:13.44 | jordanm | Raydiation: if you need the newer kernel at install time you can use kmuto |
| 01:13.45 | karsten-nr | Dsee: What are you looking at WRT ext4 issues? |
| 01:13.58 | jordanm | !tell Raydiation about kmuto |
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| 01:14.34 | Raydiation | jordanm: wow, this is nice |
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| 01:17.47 | karsten-nr | Raydiation: I used kmuto for my installation (Lenovo Thinkpad T410s), and it's been great. |
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| 01:18.02 | karsten-nr | jordanm: I think you tipped me off to that, thanks again. |
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| 01:27.10 | jordanm | karsten-nr: I hope to see it as official some day |
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| 01:29.14 | seeker7 | i have big circles with arrows on some of my webpages. what is a comparable flash player and what would i type after aptitude install |
| 01:30.48 | Dewi | seeker7: adobe flash is packaged in non-free these days - flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:31.25 | seeker7 | Dewi: thanks |
| 01:31.32 | Dewi | seeker7: there's a free implementation but I don't remember the name, and I don't know if it's that good |
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| 01:32.29 | seeker7 | Dewi: but if i type aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree that should do it? |
| 01:32.36 | emerson | how do I compile a program using gpc |
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| 01:34.30 | emerson | ho do I compile a program using the gpc, anybody know? Please. |
| 01:34.31 | xyan | seeker7: the free one is gnash and it sucks more than the nonfree one |
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| 01:34.46 | xyan | emerson: stop repeating yourself if someone knows someone will answer |
| 01:35.06 | seeker7 | xyan: so i guess i am stuck? |
| 01:35.24 | xyan | seeker7: guess so |
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| 01:36.08 | seeker7 | xyan: i right clicked on the arrow and it was looking for swfdec |
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| 01:36.49 | miasma | seeker7: were you talking about web pages in general or your personal site? |
| 01:37.06 | miasma | if the latter one, you don't need to use flash =) |
| 01:37.07 | seeker7 | miasma: web pages in general |
| 01:37.12 | miasma | okay |
| 01:37.19 | xyan | seeker7: that swfdec-mozilla thing is just a transitional package which pulls in browser-plugin-gnash or something |
| 01:37.26 | miasma | i haven't found many sites where gnash actually works |
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| 01:38.11 | arcsky | anyone know how to encypt a home dir ? |
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| 01:38.37 | seeker7 | thanks guys hate to admit it but i guess i will go my xp for this task |
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| 01:40.03 | xyan | arcsky: im using encfs to encrypt dirs, but its not really useful for a whole home dir |
| 01:41.39 | arcsky | yebyen: whats the differnt between ur dirs and home ? :) |
| 01:41.57 | xyan | they are inside my homedir |
| 01:42.10 | arcsky | ye how did u manage this? |
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| 01:43.01 | xyan | arcsky: aptitude install encfs && man encfs |
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| 01:44.13 | arcsky | xyan: do I needed to encrypt the swap aswell? |
| 01:44.24 | aidan | How can I reinstall (properly, replacing a config file) a .deb? specifically exim4-config |
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| 01:45.15 | xyan | arcsky: encfs is not a whole disk encryption... if you have sensible data think about a journalless filesystem and truecrypt or luks or w/e and disable swap or encrypt that as well |
| 01:46.29 | xyan | !tell aidan about confmiss |
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| 01:52.14 | aidan | xyan: that does not seem to work |
| 01:52.53 | aidan | my /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template is empty still |
| 01:53.59 | Boohemian | how do i let a specific directory and all its contents be read+write by a certain user? so, i want to allow nginx user to have access to /var/www/* |
| 01:54.01 | xyan | always worked for me |
| 01:55.05 | xyan | Boohemian: chown -R it to the user nginx runs as and give it 700 as permisions |
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| 02:22.48 | pfred1 | is there a deb package someplace of cdrtools for Lenny? |
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| 02:26.53 | dondon | hi. is there a way to clear the bootup text after login (and put the login prompt at the top of the screen)? i tried putting clear at the top of /etc/issue but it didnt work |
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| 02:27.31 | simonrvn | it wouldn't, it's not a script |
| 02:28.15 | dondon | yea, i figured. there was an old forum post from 2005 that advised doing that |
| 02:29.01 | pfred1 | would debian execute an rc.local? |
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| 02:29.33 | Dewi | pfred1: yes |
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| 02:30.18 | pfred1 | I have to get rid of this drek wodim that cannot operate my DVD burner |
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| 02:45.12 | djanowski_brb | hello. i googled quite a bit but can't find a way to enable testing in apt. i want to get a newer version of git-core |
| 02:45.47 | dvs | !backports |
| 02:45.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:46.10 | djanowski_brb | dvs: thank you |
| 02:46.14 | dvs | np |
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| 02:46.43 | yebyen | blart |
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| 02:51.14 | djanowski_brb | dvs: still can't find a newer git-core |
| 02:51.19 | djanowski_brb | i added the following line to sources.list |
| 02:51.20 | djanowski_brb | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 02:51.39 | djanowski_brb | then if i do |
| 02:51.40 | djanowski_brb | apt-get install -s -t squeeze-backports git-core |
| 02:51.54 | djanowski_brb | it shows an old version to be installed |
| 02:52.05 | djanowski_brb | (the same as without using squeeze-backports) |
| 02:53.20 | djanowski_brb | duh |
| 02:53.23 | dvs | djanowski_brb: update first |
| 02:53.27 | djanowski_brb | needed to put lenny-backports in there |
| 02:53.30 | djanowski_brb | not squeeze-backports |
| 02:53.36 | djanowski_brb | right? |
| 02:53.37 | dvs | that too! |
| 02:53.40 | djanowski_brb | :) |
| 02:53.42 | djanowski_brb | thanks, sorry |
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| 03:02.21 | iluminator101 | how do i change encrypted private passphrase from the current one |
| 03:03.33 | Anorion|TP600 | is there a way to pass runtime options to x-terminal-emulator? (I just want to make it change from 'rxvt' to 'rxvt -rv') |
| 03:03.48 | pfred1 | you cannot be serious if I remove wodim all of gnome gets removed as well? |
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| 03:05.25 | marshallmc | how do i access my serial cable connection to my network device from ssh? |
| 03:05.43 | jordanm | marshallmc: minicom? |
| 03:05.48 | Anorion|TP600 | minicom imo |
| 03:06.04 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: bash alias? |
| 03:06.48 | marshallmc | ty |
| 03:06.53 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: you should be able to do "x-terminal-emulator -rv", as its just a symlink |
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| 03:07.43 | Anorion|TP600 | yeah, but I'm trying to set that as the default so the menu in fluxbox doesn't call up blingingly white xterms |
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| 03:08.00 | Anorion|TP600 | I think I forgot to say that... |
| 03:08.04 | Anorion|TP600 | I'm really tired |
| 03:08.05 | iluminator101 | if i change the password for my user, would it automatically change encrypted private home password too or ? |
| 03:08.06 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: does fluxbox have a menu editor? |
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| 03:08.20 | jordanm | iluminator101: for an encypted drive? |
| 03:08.40 | jordanm | s/drive/filesystem/ |
| 03:08.54 | Anorion|TP600 | it has a menu file, which just points to the default Debian menu tree thing |
| 03:09.11 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: well, you want to edit the .desktop file, not the menu file |
| 03:09.19 | pfred1 | jordanm yeah i just edit the menu in a text editor |
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| 03:09.23 | iluminator101 | jordanm, yea for encrypted /home using cryptsetup i mount it like ecryptfs-mount-home |
| 03:09.43 | jordanm | iluminator101: not associated with user passwords |
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| 03:09.53 | Anorion|TP600 | jordanm: I do not have a .desktop file |
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| 03:10.23 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: yes, you do, just probably not in a location you should edit |
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| 03:10.55 | jordanm | even if fluxbox doesn't follow the freedesktop standards, it stil ships |
| 03:11.21 | pfred1 | out of all the boxes I like flux the best |
| 03:11.30 | jordanm | !xfce |
| 03:11.30 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:11.34 | magyar | hi, how can i recover a deleted ext3 partition on one of my drives? Windows deleted a ext3 partition, but I just shutdown the computer and now i lost the partition table |
| 03:11.51 | Anorion|TP600 | yeah, XFCE is pretty fat for this laptop |
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| 03:12.29 | jordanm | magyar: if the filesystem is still there, you should be able to just recreate the partition with fdisk.. but I would get any hopes up |
| 03:13.04 | jordanm | Anorion|TP600: any laptop that can't handle xfce I would assume to be old, large, and not so useful as a portable device :) |
| 03:13.19 | Anorion|TP600 | heh, this is old, for sure, but not large |
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| 03:13.26 | Anorion|TP600 | it's an old thinkpad 600 |
| 03:13.55 | pfred1 | Anorion|TP600 I run fluxbox on one antique PC here and load it with 32 MB RAM |
| 03:13.56 | jordanm | many of the 6-7+ year old ones were quite thick |
| 03:14.21 | Anorion|TP600 | this one is actually thinner than my eee pc 901 |
| 03:14.33 | Anorion|TP600 | circa 1998, too |
| 03:14.36 | Anorion|TP600 | :3 |
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| 03:18.41 | pfred1 | can anyone here please explain to me how the entire gnome desktop environment depends on wodim? |
| 03:20.16 | jordanm | pfred1: what do you mean how? the gnome-desktop-environment package would either have Depends: wodim, or one of the packages that it Depends has a dependency of wodim |
| 03:20.22 | jordanm | pfred1: aptitude why wodim |
| 03:20.45 | pfred1 | jordanm more like why do I have a CD burner in this system |
| 03:20.53 | jordanm | ,depends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 03:20.54 | judd | Package gnome-desktop-environment -- depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.22.2~5), alacarte (>= 0.11.5), cheese (>= 2.22.2), deskbar-applet (>= 2.22.2.1), dmz-cursor-theme, ekiga (>= 2.0.12), epiphany-browser (>= 2.22.2) | gnome-www-browser, evince (>= 2.22.1.1), evolution (>= 2.22.2), evolution-data-server (>= 2.22.2), fast-user-switch-applet (>= 2.22.0), file-roller (>= 2.22.3), gcalctool (>= 5.22.2), gconf- |
| 03:20.56 | judd | editor (>= 2.22.0), gdm (>= 2.20.6), gnome-backgrounds (>= 2.22.0), gnome-about (>= 2.22.2), gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gnome-media (>= 2.22.0), gnome-menus (>= 2.22.2), gnome-netstatus-applet (>= 2.12.1), gnome-nettool (>= 2.22.0), gnome-power-manager (>= 2.22.1), gnome-screensaver (>= 2.22.2), gnome-system-monitor (>= 2.22.2), gnome-system-tools (>= 2.22.0), gnome-network-admin (>= 2.22.0), gnome-t |
| 03:21.00 | pfred1 | being as ther is no way Debian is ever going to support it |
| 03:21.30 | jordanm | pfred1: I still don't understand your question. why wouldn't debian support wodim, which it ships? |
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| 03:21.56 | pfred1 | looking for a solution ot this problem I saw one joker that had the nerve to suggest that CDs were passee today andeveryone should have file servers |
| 03:22.08 | pfred1 | jordanm no wodim does not work with my burner |
| 03:22.28 | jordanm | pfred1: and the evil licensed cdrecord does? |
| 03:22.34 | pfred1 | jordanm yes it does |
| 03:22.51 | pfred1 | as a matter of proven fact |
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| 03:22.53 | Dewi | pfred1: so what's the problem with it depending on wodim? |
| 03:23.15 | pfred1 | Dewi I'd like to remove the broken package so I can install something that functions |
| 03:23.23 | Dewi | pfred1: you can't install both? |
| 03:23.38 | pfred1 | Dewi why would i want some broken junk on my machine? |
| 03:23.50 | Dewi | pfred1: install gnome-core then |
| 03:23.56 | pfred1 | Dewi you think hard disk storage is free? |
| 03:23.56 | Dewi | pfred1: if you don't want all the extra crap |
| 03:24.21 | Dewi | pfred1: no, I think you've chosen to install the full desktop environment and it includes lots of stuff |
| 03:24.28 | pfred1 | fair enough I'll see where that leaves me |
| 03:24.46 | pfred1 | I do not run gnome but I do like some of the apps |
| 03:24.59 | Dewi | I run gnome with just gnome-core |
| 03:25.12 | Dewi | It... works. I dunno what it's missing really |
| 03:25.20 | jordanm | pfred1: you could also probably do something like "aptitude unmarkauto '~ngnome-.*'" prior to removing wodim |
| 03:25.44 | pfred1 | jordanm what would that do? |
| 03:26.12 | jordanm | !unmarkauto |
| 03:26.12 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 03:26.16 | dondon | Clearing boot info before login prompt: http://pastebin.com/xU3YTyRz I figured it out (kinda), its a hack 4 sure. if anyone had info about a better way, it'd be appriciated |
| 03:27.38 | pfred1 | dondon you couldn't just put clear into rc.local huh? |
| 03:28.40 | jordanm | pfred1: out of curiosity, what burner is this, and where is it not functioning with wodim reported? |
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| 03:29.03 | pfred1 | jordanm it is an MSI DVD RW |
| 03:29.14 | pfred1 | jordanm it is a really nice drive |
| 03:29.15 | jordanm | thats very... not specific |
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| 03:31.48 | pfred1 | jordanm it is a DH22A9P |
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| 03:32.15 | pfred1 | jordanm is that specific enough for you? |
| 03:33.14 | Anorion|TP600 | ah yes, this reminds me why I stopped idling in Linux help rooms... |
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| 03:33.37 | jordanm | pfred1: yes, but that doesn't appear to be bug reported |
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| 03:34.32 | pfred1 | jordanm why do you think that would have helped me out yesterday while I was at my friends house and wanted to burn him a CD? |
| 03:34.59 | pfred1 | jordanm my friend who lives 200 miles away and does not have the internet but is taking care of his 89 year old mother? |
| 03:35.19 | pfred1 | jordanm who i wanted to burn a CD for? |
| 03:35.27 | pfred1 | jordanm you know that situation? |
| 03:36.13 | pfred1 | jordanm maybe when I go see him next year it will work? |
| 03:36.28 | dondon | pfred1: thanks, i missed it when you suggested it before |
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| 03:37.21 | pfred1 | dondon Hmmm what did I suggest? |
| 03:37.28 | jordanm | pfred1: maybe complaining about it on the IRC support channel is not helpful to anyone, including yourself |
| 03:37.33 | jordanm | pfred1: clear in rc.local |
| 03:38.06 | pfred1 | I remember asking if Debian executes an rc.local don't remember suggesting anything about it though |
| 03:38.13 | jordanm | pfred1: I do suggest filing a bug report. perhaps it won't help you for another year, but could avoid someone else ending up in a similar situation |
| 03:38.26 | dondon | oh well then nm |
| 03:38.28 | dondon | :P |
| 03:38.37 | jordanm | pfred1: yes, it does. you can check with something like sysv-rc-conf --list |
| 03:38.44 | dondelelcaro | dondon: if you want that cleared, just prefix the output of clear to /etc/issue or otherwise have getty output that to the terminal |
| 03:38.50 | pfred1 | jordanm what would really help would be a deb of cdrtools that satisfies wodims deps |
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| 03:39.11 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: feel free to make one |
| 03:39.24 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro I'm not feeking vey free ATM |
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| 03:39.46 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: well, then use wodim. We can't distribute cdrtools |
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| 03:40.01 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro I can't use wodim it does not work with my hardware |
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| 03:40.18 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: then package cdrtools and use it, or download it, or patch wodim to fix it |
| 03:40.23 | pfred1 | I tried I have two bright shiny new coasters because of it |
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| 03:40.54 | pfred1 | and i looked like a damn fool in front of my friend who I get to see once a year if I'm lucky |
| 03:40.54 | dondelelcaro | though if it starts burning at all, wodim should be able to burn. You may not be specifying the right options |
| 03:40.58 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:41.07 | un214 | patch wodim is obnoxious answer when cdrtools work |
| 03:41.16 | dondelelcaro | un214: then use cdrtools. |
| 03:41.33 | jordanm | un214: it was one of multiple suggestions, and something that would benefit all users, in many distributions |
| 03:41.47 | un214 | I don't doubt it but it's likely he can't. |
| 03:41.52 | jordanm | debian is not the only distro that understands they can not legally distribute cdrtools |
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| 03:42.40 | pfred1 | jordanm from what i have gathered on the net that is a non-issue today |
| 03:42.49 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, if you don't want to patch wodim, or don't want to install cdrtools, or provide more debugging information, there's not much we can do to help yyou |
| 03:43.19 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: unfortunatly, it's still an issue. Parts of cdrtools are CDDL, other parts are GPLv2+; they are incompatible. |
| 03:43.59 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro that is what you say unfortunately that is not what everyone says |
| 03:44.16 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro including some people licensed to practice law! |
| 03:44.18 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: oh, I know it's not what schilling says, but there's no surprise there. |
| 03:44.39 | un214 | how about the layer who said anything compiled by GCC must be under GPL |
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| 03:45.19 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: I've personally asked lawyers involved in the drafting of CDDL, and I've talked with Eben about it. Frankly, their opinion is far more relevant. |
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| 03:45.46 | un214 | actually I know they are incompatible but I see no reason why the same master tree can't mix until outside sources get involved |
| 03:46.08 | dondelelcaro | un214: because everything that schilling writes is CDDLed, and we can't look at it. |
| 03:46.09 | un214 | it's a pain only because patches must be dual licenced |
| 03:46.32 | dondelelcaro | un214: if he were to dual license some of those patches, we'd gladly use them |
| 03:46.34 | pfred1 | can't it be distributed non-free? |
| 03:46.39 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: no |
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| 03:46.58 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: it is illegal for us to distribute. Non-free is for things that we can legally distribute but don't follow the DFSG. |
| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | (plus, as a practical matter, the project has little desire to carry anything that Schilling maintains) |
| 03:47.59 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro I guess i just haven't gotten to the page yet that specifically disallows Debian to distribute cdrtools |
| 03:48.43 | jordanm | pfred1: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00000.html |
| 03:48.47 | jordanm | same deal for debian |
| 03:48.53 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: part of cdrtools is licensed under GPLv2 only. GPLv2 is incompatible with CDDL. Therefore we cannot comply with the terms of the GPL, so it is impossible for us to distribute it at all |
| 03:48.58 | kj4 | hello all |
| 03:49.03 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: there are litterally hundreds of e-mail messages in -legal explaining this |
| 03:49.33 | pfred1 | jordanm well I can attest to the fact that cdrkit is buggy |
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| 03:49.51 | jordanm | pfred1: well, not really that. point IV specifically |
| 03:49.55 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: it certainly has bugs |
| 03:50.18 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: if you file them, along with as much information as possible and possibly provide hardware to whoever is maintaining cdrkit these days, it can be addressed. |
| 03:50.34 | un214 | oh that's what it is, missing linking exception |
| 03:51.03 | un214 | I guess I assumed it was there since he (primary copyright owner) ships them in one tarball |
| 03:51.20 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377109#136 for example, as well as the ensuing messages from Joerg Schilling. |
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| 03:55.27 | pfred1 | jordanm I find it funny that the first party can bandy about accusations without specific examples but in section IV they chide the second party for doing the exact same thing |
| 03:55.50 | pfred1 | jordanm like it is all well and good for u to do it but oh don't you do it! |
| 03:56.16 | pfred1 | bunch of nonsense |
| 03:57.16 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: oh, the specific examples are well known |
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| 03:58.29 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: large swaths of cdrtools were written by people other than Schilling, and licensed under GPLv2+; other written by Schilling are now only available under CDDL. |
| 03:58.45 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: if you read the full bug log that I sent you, you can track down the files for yourself |
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| 04:04.17 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I imagine going back and forth with him like that was quite painfaul |
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| 04:09.43 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: worse, it was pretty much useless. |
| 04:10.06 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: but since misunderstanding the problem is often pervasive, it's sometimes necessary |
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| 04:13.31 | un214 | I wonder what would happen if you claimed that the code is entangled with GPL2 written by others and therefore must be GPL2 and therefore is GPL2. |
| 04:14.12 | dondelelcaro | un214: copyright law doesn't work that way |
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| 04:15.22 | dondelelcaro | un214: I mean, you certainly could try to claim that, but it's unclear that it would succeed, and it could be problematic from a liability standpoint. |
| 04:15.45 | un214 | what liability |
| 04:15.55 | un214 | he can't win either |
| 04:16.35 | dondelelcaro | un214: uh... sure he can. He can claim that you're distributing his copyrighted works without satisfying the license. |
| 04:16.51 | un214 | and I the same about what he is distributing |
| 04:16.59 | dondelelcaro | un214: but you don't have standing to claim that |
| 04:17.37 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you may be able to work something using laches, but good luck |
| 04:17.50 | tharkun | Isn't there a #debian-legal channel? |
| 04:18.22 | un214 | there is |
| 04:18.31 | un214 | but this is more like idle right now |
| 04:19.07 | rkhshm | where can i find the list of all pkgs in sqeeze ? |
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| 04:20.33 | un214 | how about reading the package list after apt-get updat? |
| 04:20.46 | rkhshm | un214: your referring to me ? |
| 04:20.53 | un214 | yes |
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| 04:21.02 | rkhshm | no..i want it over the web. |
| 04:21.07 | dondelelcaro | rkhshm: it differs depending on the arch, and there's about 30000 of them. aptitude search '~n'; would be one method |
| 04:21.15 | dondelelcaro | rkhshm: why? |
| 04:21.37 | rkhshm | because i need to check a few things and my machine is not running sqeeze |
| 04:21.45 | dondelelcaro | rkhshm: then use packages.debian.org |
| 04:21.47 | rkhshm | like the general pkg repo |
| 04:21.49 | rkhshm | ok |
| 04:21.50 | rkhshm | thanks |
| 04:21.56 | un214 | I was once working a bit on an apt-get simulator |
| 04:22.14 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't list all of the packages, but it knows about all of them. No point in getting a list to search which you can just search in the first place. |
| 04:22.20 | un214 | it would walk depends from a repository chain and build a repository containing everything that apt-get would have gotten form a get request |
| 04:22.25 | TwoTwenty | what does 1M aligned mean how and why would I want to do that to my HDD |
| 04:22.40 | dondelelcaro | TwoTwenty: in what context? |
| 04:22.52 | un214 | does it mean all partitions start on a 1M boundary? |
| 04:22.57 | un214 | good idea for SD drives |
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| 04:23.29 | TwoTwenty | " it would be enought to let the partition start at 32kB, but to be prepare for the future mostly 1M aligntment are used" |
| 04:23.35 | TwoTwenty | something a guy told me on #lvm |
| 04:24.31 | TwoTwenty | un213, dondelelcaro, he also suggested that it is good for all devices to be aligned that way for speed too |
| 04:24.38 | TwoTwenty | but I have no idea what and how to do that |
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| 04:25.41 | un214 | for rotating head disks, it's kind of pointless |
| 04:25.53 | un214 | aligning to physical block size will always be sufficient |
| 04:27.00 | TwoTwenty | un214, he suggested that block sizes on newer disks are going to be 4M aligned and that mine shoudl at least be a multiple of that |
| 04:27.04 | TwoTwenty | for performance |
| 04:27.29 | TwoTwenty | un214, is there a draw back to 1M aligned ? |
| 04:27.35 | WormFood | I have a file called "deleteme.txt" that has a list of files, with spaces in their names, that I want to delete....if I do " rm -v `tr '\n' ' ' < deleteme2.txt` " it does not work, it treats each space as the end of the filename, but if I stick and "echo" before "rm", and copy/paste the resulting line, it works fine. Can anyone explain why this does not work as expected? |
| 04:27.47 | un214 | potentially wasting disk space but otherwise none |
| 04:28.10 | TwoTwenty | un214, files under 1M? |
| 04:28.16 | TwoTwenty | create slack ? |
| 04:28.32 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: man xargs, read about --delimiter |
| 04:28.32 | un214 | no |
| 04:28.59 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, any file not a multiple of 1 meg creates more slack space (a 1.1 meg file is just as much slack as a 0.1 meg file, assuming 1meg blocks) |
| 04:29.00 | un214 | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 rm -f |
| 04:29.08 | un214 | tr '\n' '\0' < deleteme.txt | xargs -0 rm -f |
| 04:29.13 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 04:29.14 | TwoTwenty | that makes sense |
| 04:29.29 | Dewi | un214: +1 |
| 04:29.32 | dondelelcaro | xargs -d '\n' rm -f < deleteme.txt; |
| 04:29.32 | un214 | I'm not going to format for 1meg blocks |
| 04:29.42 | WormFood | well, the files are deleted now, but I'm trying to understand why it does not work NOW, when it did work in the past for me. I've done this before |
| 04:30.06 | TwoTwenty | un214, what do you suggest for block sizes? |
| 04:30.10 | TwoTwenty | defaults? |
| 04:30.12 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: -d is lovely, until you use distro where it doesn't work |
| 04:30.17 | un214 | 4k or 16k |
| 04:30.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: not my problem |
| 04:30.27 | jordanm | WormFood: what about while read files; do rm -v "$files"; done < deleteme2.txt? the downside I guess is you would be invoking rm a seperate time for each file |
| 04:30.38 | WormFood | ok, I'm not familiar with xargs...I probably should be, since I do write shell scripts...thanks un214 and dondelelcaro |
| 04:30.40 | dondelelcaro | (this being #debian, after all) |
| 04:30.46 | WormFood | jordanm, I tried that too, and it didn't work |
| 04:30.47 | un214 | 4k = page size, 16k for really large disks |
| 04:31.04 | un214 | there used to be a hard limit at 64k until recently |
| 04:31.04 | jordanm | WormFood: did you quote the variable? |
| 04:31.11 | dondelelcaro | there's pretty much no point in worrying about partition alignment anymore |
| 04:31.20 | dondelelcaro | the only time you care is if you're doing raid or work on old ssd drives |
| 04:31.24 | Dewi | you guys seem to be confusing partitioning, filesystem blocks, and physical sectors |
| 04:31.29 | Dewi | they are all different |
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| 04:31.33 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, there is no magic "best block size"...it depends on what you're using the filesystem mainly for....for example, if you have a partition with mostly videos, a larger block size would help performance |
| 04:31.38 | WormFood | yes jordanm |
| 04:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but interreleated in interesting ways |
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| 04:32.43 | WormFood | jordanm, that is what was confusing me...I was trying all the tricks I know, that have worked in the past, and NOTHING worked today |
| 04:33.12 | jordanm | WormFood: I don't see why that wouldn't have worked. what was the result? |
| 04:33.25 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, this is what some guy on #LVM was talking about "<WormFood> TwoTwenty, there is no magic "best block size"...it depends on what you're using the filesystem mainly for....for example, if you have a partition with mostly videos, a larger block size would help performance" |
| 04:33.27 | WormFood | jordanm, it treated every space in the filename as the end of the filename |
| 04:33.34 | TwoTwenty | oops |
| 04:33.41 | Dewi | WormFood: xargs -0 is particularly robust; backquotes and loops just make me uneasy by comparison |
| 04:34.09 | WormFood | Dewi, this is my first introduction to xargs, and I will check it out before I start doing more of this type of stuff. |
| 04:34.31 | WormFood | I'm not happy with the way I have to do this. I feel there is a "cleaner" way to do it, I just haven't figured out what it is yet. ;) |
| 04:34.34 | jordanm | WormFood: sounds like the result of not quoting the variable... |
| 04:34.48 | WormFood | jordanm, exactly! that is what is so damn confusing! |
| 04:34.51 | un214 | yeah, always use xargs with the -0 option |
| 04:35.04 | Dewi | WormFood: I guess the advantage with expanding to the right with pipes is you don't end up with nested quote contexts as much |
| 04:35.06 | un214 | if you suddenly find yourself on a system without xargs -0, write it |
| 04:35.09 | Dewi | WormFood: cause they're always the killer |
| 04:35.19 | un214 | a quick-n-dirty xargs0 would be about 50 lines of C |
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| 04:35.28 | Dewi | un214: xargs -0 works everywhere I've looked; -d not so much |
| 04:35.33 | WormFood | for example, the following line: rm "file with spaces", would give an error that '"file' and 'with' and 'spaces"' does not exist....freaky, eh? |
| 04:35.41 | Dewi | un214: ie bsd, solaris... |
| 04:35.44 | un214 | old old unix didn't have it |
| 04:35.51 | un214 | then again it didn't have -d either |
| 04:36.17 | WormFood | and I used "echo" to verify that it was building the correct command lines |
| 04:36.36 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, here is some more context to what he was talking about cause Im not sure its the block size |
| 04:36.37 | TwoTwenty | it would be enought to let the partition start at 32kB, but to be prepare for the future mostly 1M aligntment are used |
| 04:37.50 | un214 | yeah he's referring to partiiton alignment |
| 04:38.04 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, more context even"the partition will start on 1MB instead on 31,5kB |
| 04:38.04 | TwoTwenty | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.06 | WormFood | are you talking about the sector size of the hard drive? I remember reading something about them talking about increasing the basic sector size not too long ago. |
| 04:38.07 | un214 | the overhead of doing so is at most 1M - 4k |
| 04:38.19 | TwoTwenty | ya that is what he was talking about |
| 04:38.29 | WormFood | the overhead is minimal on today's super large hard drives |
| 04:38.51 | WormFood | so, he is saying if you do that now, it will make it easier to upgrade the hard drive in the future? |
| 04:38.57 | Dewi | WormFood: I thought they were planning 512b -> 4KiB |
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| 04:39.02 | TwoTwenty | yes |
| 04:39.05 | TwoTwenty | since Im using LVM |
| 04:39.08 | Dewi | WormFood: and we're already using filesystems with blocks that big so... shrug |
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| 04:39.14 | un214 | he is, but personally I'd block copy my partitions when I do so they would be realigned anyway |
| 04:39.19 | WormFood | oh...VLM...I got ya now |
| 04:39.19 | TwoTwenty | for the purpose of migrating my file system upwards |
| 04:39.23 | Dewi | WormFood: I guess it'll affect partition systems but I can't see it affecting filesystems much |
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| 04:39.33 | WormFood | that is what I was thinking un214 |
| 04:39.45 | TwoTwenty | Wormfood, he wasnt the greatest with english and I never did get a clear answer on howto set that up |
| 04:40.00 | WormFood | what would be the effect of having multiple sector sized hard drives in the same LVM? |
| 04:40.30 | TwoTwenty | he said it would slow down the paritions on it dramatically |
| 04:40.31 | WormFood | say for example, if one drive has the normal 1/5k sector size, and another drive has a 4k sector size |
| 04:40.35 | Dewi | WormFood: depends how LVM decides to deal with it I guess |
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| 04:41.01 | WormFood | it would make sense to have things in the multiple of whatever you plan on upgrading to |
| 04:41.12 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, more quote "the partition will start on 1MB instead on 31,5kB |
| 04:41.13 | TwoTwenty | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.25 | WormFood | if now, you have 512 byte sectors, and you go to 4096 byte sectors, then just make everything in multiples of 4k |
| 04:41.39 | WormFood | no big deal....little to no waste |
| 04:41.50 | TwoTwenty | great ! |
| 04:41.54 | TwoTwenty | so what do I do ;) |
| 04:42.05 | WormFood | no clue ;) |
| 04:42.05 | TwoTwenty | I got 2 nice little 1TB drives here ready to format |
| 04:42.07 | TwoTwenty | hahaha |
| 04:42.19 | TwoTwenty | thats great! your a +1 helper :) |
| 04:42.23 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: try to use multiples of 4k :P |
| 04:42.57 | Dewi | or 1M |
| 04:42.59 | Dewi | whatever |
| 04:43.00 | WormFood | I don't have enough hard drives to setup lvm...I want to, but just haven't done it yet (actually, I have done it...I have it on my computer in usa, not not on my new computer I just built (which is not in usa)) |
| 04:43.03 | TwoTwenty | ah I dont even know howto set 2 4 or 8, do I do it on partitioning , or mkfs ? |
| 04:43.25 | WormFood | 1M may give you more waste |
| 04:43.37 | TwoTwenty | ya Im not into to much waste |
| 04:43.41 | WormFood | it depends on your file system and how it allocates |
| 04:43.44 | TwoTwenty | 1M sounds like alot of waste |
| 04:43.49 | WormFood | it depends |
| 04:44.01 | WormFood | 1M of what? block size? (block size is specific to the file system) |
| 04:44.02 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: well you can't change your physical sector size in software, but you can set partition positions however you want |
| 04:44.13 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: although some partitioners will make you use a cylinder boundary |
| 04:44.28 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: and mkfs also takes a block size |
| 04:44.29 | TwoTwenty | dewi, thats what he was talking about |
| 04:44.41 | TwoTwenty | positioning the partition |
| 04:44.45 | karlpinc | WormFood: You only need 1 disk to setup lvm. It can be all about being able to dynamically resize partions. |
| 04:44.49 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: that's manufacturer dependent. Seagates have different cylinder boundaries to WD etc |
| 04:45.36 | WormFood | I don't see how the partition alignment matters in this case....maybe there is a miniscule performance boost to have it on a 1 meg boundary or whatever, but when you get a new drive, you'll be copying everything to it anyways, and hopefully it will be aligned right ;) |
| 04:46.08 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: seagate cylinders are 4k aligned anyway |
| 04:46.20 | karlpinc | Cylinders are all imaginary anyway these days. |
| 04:46.33 | WormFood | no, cylinders are real |
| 04:46.41 | Dewi | karlpinc: heads are imaginary |
| 04:46.42 | WormFood | but the interface presented to the OS is imaginary :P |
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| 04:46.49 | TwoTwenty | dewi, seems I can do it with gparted. has option align to: cylinder, MiB, or none ?? |
| 04:47.14 | Dewi | karlpinc: cylinders tend to be as well so they can vary angular density |
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| 04:47.27 | WormFood | I mean...the logical representation of cylinders and sectors and heads are all imaginary with new hard drives (and if I'm not mistaken has been that way since esdi and scsi drives) |
| 04:47.28 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: yep |
| 04:47.30 | karlpinc | WormFood: Partition alignment matters a lot with the new 4096 byte block sizes. If you don't align on block boundarys then 1 logical write can take 2 physical writes. |
| 04:48.00 | karlpinc | WormFood: (4906 byte physical blocks that is.) |
| 04:48.08 | WormFood | karlpinc, but how does that have any difference on how he formats his 512 byte sector drives? |
| 04:48.31 | karlpinc | WormFood: It does not. (I just got here and haven't seen the history.) |
| 04:48.46 | WormFood | aaaahhhh....that explains it |
| 04:48.50 | Dewi | WormFood: nope, but cylinder boundaries are likely to be a little simpler for everything involved |
| 04:48.52 | TwoTwenty | lol |
| 04:48.59 | Dewi | and it might make some difference... somewhere |
| 04:49.07 | WormFood | I agree with that Dewi |
| 04:49.41 | Dewi | but as I say they are manufacturer-dependent, there is no usual standard |
| 04:50.06 | TwoTwenty | dewi, my head is feeling spun |
| 04:50.14 | Dewi | if you ever run into a case where things don't match you can usually just allow a little extra space |
| 04:50.19 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, it should not make any difference...if you wanted to err on the side of possible caution, then go with multiples of what you expect to get....but honestly, I don't feel your partition boundary has any impact in your case |
| 04:50.21 | TwoTwenty | I just want to make a LVM and dont want some dramatic performance pentalites |
| 04:50.21 | Dewi | and grow the FS. Or just don't. |
| 04:50.40 | TwoTwenty | ;) |
| 04:50.48 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: just stick with cylinder, it's all simpler |
| 04:50.52 | TwoTwenty | I think Im just gonna make a partition and pvcreate /dev/sdc1 |
| 04:51.20 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: you won't get any addressing oddities if nothing is across 2 cylinders |
| 04:51.30 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, you sould be glad we're not back in the "bad 'ole days", where all we had was ST-506/ST-412 interface hard drives....those were "fun" to work on |
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| 04:52.05 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: note that you don't need a partition table for LVM, but I normally create a full-disk primary partition anyway |
| 04:52.12 | TwoTwenty | I remember when I was 10 or 11, I had to set sector sizes and things in my bios |
| 04:52.28 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: so nothing mistakes it for an empty disk |
| 04:52.30 | WormFood | I remember when all my friends had 10 and 20 meg hard drives....I got a 40 and a 70 meg (full height), and thought it was soooo cool that I had over 1/10th of a gig |
| 04:52.36 | TwoTwenty | dewi, thats why I did the data migration to change to a full partition from just using the block device |
| 04:53.17 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: that said, I don't bother with even LVM these days. I'm waiting for btrfs before I try to make linux do fancy storage again |
| 04:53.18 | d1b | hi guys how do i show what dpeends on a package? |
| 04:53.19 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, you didn't have to set sector size there...it has heads and cylinders and number of sectors :P and maybe a parking track |
| 04:53.22 | TwoTwenty | it dewi tahts what happened and I had to do some hex surgery to get my data back |
| 04:53.22 | d1b | like package $X --> who depends on it |
| 04:53.46 | TwoTwenty | wormfood hey I was 10 dude ;) |
| 04:53.56 | Dewi | d1b: apt-cache rdepends |
| 04:54.00 | d1b | Dewi: oh ok |
| 04:54.02 | WormFood | I was a little older then |
| 04:54.05 | TwoTwenty | once again the debian room comes with the greatest help |
| 04:54.20 | TwoTwenty | Im 30 |
| 04:54.26 | WormFood | room? this isn't AOL...this is an IRC #channel :P |
| 04:54.33 | TwoTwenty | oh my bad |
| 04:54.46 | d1b | Dewi: thank you |
| 04:54.46 | TwoTwenty | I feel like its a room with people in it, whats AOL ;) Im canadian A |
| 04:55.04 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, I was playing with computers since before you were born :P |
| 04:55.05 | TwoTwenty | Im politically incorrect to |
| 04:55.10 | Rusty1 | wonders about zfs |
| 04:55.22 | TwoTwenty | wormfood and I'll be playing with the really new ones when your dead hahaha |
| 04:55.31 | TwoTwenty | sorry that might have sounded bad |
| 04:55.44 | Dewi | Rusty1: would be nice but it's so up in the air right now even on its home OS |
| 04:55.45 | TwoTwenty | no offense |
| 04:55.52 | WormFood | I even built a computer...I mean, really BUILT it...from a bare circuit board...that was fun (back in the early 90s)...got some pics if you want to see |
| 04:56.16 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, how do you know you won't die before me? :P |
| 04:56.18 | karlpinc | WormFood: I was playing with computers before you were born. |
| 04:56.25 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, if they had let me in highschool electronics the gr12 project was make a 8086 |
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| 04:56.46 | WormFood | I took electronics in HS for 3 hours a day :D |
| 04:56.57 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, actually your most likely correct I always thought I would die before 30 |
| 04:57.07 | WormFood | block class of 2 hours, plus an additional hour as a teachers assistant for one of the other classes :D |
| 04:57.28 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, funny, I always thought the same thing too, and now I just turned 42 |
| 04:57.37 | TwoTwenty | you still young |
| 04:57.43 | WormFood | I mean, I just turned the answer to life the universe and everything |
| 04:58.05 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, they pretty much wouldnt let me into any classes cause I was not motivated at all |
| 04:58.15 | TwoTwenty | lol |
| 04:58.30 | karlpinc | Someone sent me an email from a yahoo account while my email server was offline and it seems yahoo never retried, or at least I see nothing in the logs. Is there something I should be looking at or is yahoo broken? |
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| 04:58.56 | TwoTwenty | 42 |
| 04:59.18 | TwoTwenty | I hope when Im 69 its shows |
| 04:59.43 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/ the PT68K is the computer I built the OSK screen shot is the OS I used, called OS/9-68000 (or "OSK" for short)...it was a system very similar to Linux...one of my friends said Linux is more like OS/9 than Unix, so after that I kept my eye on Linux. |
| 05:00.00 | WormFood | TwoTwenty, or when I'm 77....that is like 69, but you get 8 more ;) :D |
| 05:00.47 | TwoTwenty | or when your 96 you merry a amazon woman that can carry you |
| 05:01.04 | WormFood | I see people over 100 years old where I live |
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| 05:01.13 | WormFood | last year I saw a guy who was 103 |
| 05:01.50 | TwoTwenty | thats old |
| 05:02.08 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, dewi, thanks for your help, you guys are awsome. debian channel comes through again ;) |
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| 05:02.36 | WormFood | your welcome |
| 05:02.36 | TwoTwenty | wormfood, dewi, I feel like I learned soemthing but dont know what to do with it all, or weather I will retain it |
| 05:02.53 | TwoTwenty | but I dont know you spent some good time catering to my question |
| 05:02.57 | TwoTwenty | so thanks again |
| 05:03.15 | WormFood | now I need to go...my girlfriend is cooking lunch, and I forgot to leave earlier...see ya'll l8r åè§ |
| 05:03.17 | TwoTwenty | do know* |
| 05:04.32 | Dewi | TwoTwenty: np |
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| 05:06.01 | karlpinc | The bitch of it is there was no bounce. |
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| 05:12.01 | hooya | anyone seen this: (i would assume so since it was on /.) http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html and tried it on debian? |
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| 05:15.01 | panik | What would be the best way to copy a directory structure from one drive to another, with all the files intact, while seeing how much time is remaining |
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| 05:15.52 | panik | was thinking "cp -rpv /source /dest" It would show that the command is doing something but not the time remaining |
| 05:16.38 | hooya | panik, rsync. |
| 05:16.38 | karlpinc | panik: Doesn't scp show time remaining? |
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| 05:17.00 | hooya | rsync -rvau --progress <src> <dst> |
| 05:17.30 | karlpinc | hooya: That's more of a percent done thing isn't it? Not time remaining. ?? |
| 05:17.31 | panik | well thats perfect, rsync was going to be the next thing on my agenda to learn about |
| 05:18.09 | panik | will look at the man pages, thanks all |
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| 05:19.25 | hooya | karlpinc, it shows <done>/<total> for the number of files. to get the time remaining, a computer would have to do the work to really find out since if a mount point is over, say, NFS, or other slower fs, there is no way to know what the time remaining really is. it's almost always just an estimate based on the files already done; averaged out.. |
| 05:20.05 | hooya | hence the "never correct" progress bars in almost all instances or progress bars. |
| 05:20.13 | hooya | s/or/of |
| 05:20.19 | dissidentss | i'm tired of having issues with gpg and importing keys from remote keyservers, any suggestions for how to get a key from a keyserver and import it from a file |
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| 05:22.17 | panik | progress is good enough though, could do the math in my head for the estimate |
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| 05:39.19 | dondelelcaro | dissidentss: keyservers don't share individual keys but by hkp |
| 05:39.28 | dondelelcaro | dissidentss: use a different keyserver if the one you are using sucks |
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| 06:06.44 | neoice | has anyone here updated openldap to the Squeeze version that uses 'cn=config' ? |
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| 06:19.22 | neoice | if I do apt-pinning, can I have like /etc/apt/preferences and then specify another file, like /etc/apt/preferences.local ? |
| 06:19.48 | streuner__ | !bobbitt |
| 06:19.48 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:20.41 | neoice | clever, but a non-answer. |
| 06:21.10 | neoice | maybe I need to pin at a specific version within Lenny or a backport. |
| 06:21.52 | streuner__ | yes, backports are more helpful |
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| 06:21.54 | neoice | or maybe I even know what I'm doing |
| 06:22.13 | streuner__ | if you have to ask? |
| 06:22.30 | neoice | I dont know everything. |
| 06:22.37 | streuner__ | if its not a rhetoric question |
| 06:23.11 | neoice | but I know how apt-pinning works, I'm just wondering if I can set up an inheritable config system. I'm reading about apt.conf.d right now, but I think that only applies to apt.conf directives |
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| 06:25.12 | streuner__ | !factinfo pinning |
| 06:25.12 | dpkg | pinning -- last modified at Thu Jul 31 13:34:40 2008 by jelly!n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr; it has been requested 829 times, last by streuner__, 37s ago. |
| 06:25.34 | streuner__ | You wont find many pinning fans here |
| 06:25.38 | neoice | I'm aware |
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| 06:26.03 | streuner__ | /msg dpkg pinning |
| 06:26.06 | neoice | but in all my searching and reading, I've never once seen anything that said how to pin without using _just_ /etc/apt/prefernces |
| 06:26.33 | neoice | and that's not terribly useful if I have to manage $x nodes, the vast majority of which use the same config, but a few need local deviations |
| 06:26.43 | neoice | I try and build all my configs to support a base and .local |
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| 06:28.36 | neoice | yeah, I've read everything dpkg has to say :/ |
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| 06:29.36 | streuner__ | well, with my statement about fans and dpkg it makes sense? |
| 06:30.24 | neoice | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557580 |
| 06:30.29 | neoice | would be my solution. |
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| 06:33.23 | streuner__ | Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:20:11 -0500 |
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| 06:33.24 | streuner__ | makes even more sense |
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| 06:35.00 | neoice | yep, it is actually broken. lamesauce. |
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| 06:57.10 | stew | f ' |
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| 07:02.34 | bolt | lol |
| 07:03.05 | bolt | just figured out mlocate stores the names of all encrypted files in an encfs |
| 07:03.30 | bolt | anything else which does that by default, while i'm in the uninstalling mood? |
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| 07:04.01 | bolt | running mostly a "standard system" from tasksel here. no gnome/kde |
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| 07:13.21 | hkuieagle | hello, anyone give me a link that listing all depos for squeeze? |
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| 07:21.32 | macrobat | hkuieagle: "depos"? |
| 07:21.57 | hkuieagle | macrobat: depositories |
| 07:22.43 | macrobat | i believe they are called repos or repositories |
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| 07:23.09 | macrobat | !repos |
| 07:23.09 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:23.23 | macrobat | !mirrors |
| 07:23.23 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 07:24.18 | macrobat | ah, "mirrors" was the word i was searching for |
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| 07:25.39 | hkuieagle | macrobat: I'm looking for a list of all avaliable mirrors/repos for squeeze, any clue? |
| 07:26.46 | macrobat | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list seems to be it |
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| 07:27.09 | hkuieagle | macrobat: ok, thanks |
| 07:27.51 | macrobat | repositories is like: main contrib non-free |
| 07:28.02 | macrobat | no, forget that |
| 07:28.06 | macrobat | i am tired |
| 07:29.27 | macrobat | those are "dists" |
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| 07:32.01 | hkuieagle | macrobat: non-free or nonfree? |
| 07:32.28 | macrobat | non-free |
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| 07:33.29 | TwoTwenty | so I tried freenas, and openfiler and determined they are not for me |
| 07:33.52 | TwoTwenty | cli does the trick best |
| 07:34.21 | TwoTwenty | once again like 100% of every other OS adventure, I end up back with debian |
| 07:34.38 | TwoTwenty | is that common place on this channel ? |
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| 08:04.53 | imc | greetings. I'm making an embedded device (Archos5) to run debian. I installed it using cdebootstrap_static flavour=minimal. Now I feel like /etc/rcS.d/* scripts aren't run at all... any idea how to fix this? |
| 08:05.30 | imc | [i need a script to start very early to integrate some bootsplashing things...] |
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| 08:07.03 | imc | in /etc/inittab i have 'si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS', where it says that "it is run first" |
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| 08:08.55 | imc | (oh.. it's debian squeeze/armel) |
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| 08:11.20 | andares | hey, why doesn't debian have /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu? |
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| 08:12.55 | TwoTwenty | andares whats that do ? |
| 08:13.06 | andares | TwoTwenty: I'm not sure. I can't find anything about it. |
| 08:13.14 | andares | apparently it's part of the speed increase though. |
| 08:13.25 | TwoTwenty | the speed increase? |
| 08:15.04 | TwoTwenty | you mean the kernel patch that came out recently ? |
| 08:15.05 | andares | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html |
| 08:15.12 | nsadmin | andares: that seems like somethign a kernel would or would not have. |
| 08:15.27 | andares | nsadmin: so some option I need to check in the kernel configuration? |
| 08:15.34 | TwoTwenty | if its the patch Im thinking of its not even in mainline kernel yet |
| 08:15.55 | andares | it's an alternative to the patch in userspace that apparently works as well/better. |
| 08:15.59 | TwoTwenty | andares, no distro has that yet |
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| 08:16.18 | TwoTwenty | andares, you have to manually apply it then |
| 08:16.20 | andares | it's not the patch, it's a command that does other stuff. |
| 08:16.35 | andares | I am applying it. that's why I need /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu to exist. |
| 08:16.38 | TwoTwenty | andares, it maybe in sid then |
| 08:16.44 | TwoTwenty | ah |
| 08:16.45 | TwoTwenty | I see |
| 08:16.53 | andares | which the kernel probably provides. |
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| 08:19.07 | nsadmin | andares: this patch you refer to, it applies to kernel source? |
| 08:19.10 | macrobat | andares: applying a patch on a debian kernel? |
| 08:19.26 | TwoTwenty | macrobat, no it supposedly runs in user space |
| 08:19.30 | imc | ok, the rcS script probably run, but i cannot see them logged 'cause the logger starts later :P mystery solved |
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| 08:21.02 | andares | nsadmin: no, I'm trying to do the instructions on the link I posted. |
| 08:21.11 | andares | that don't involve any kernel patching whatsoever. |
| 08:21.31 | andares | but they do require /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/ to exist, which apparently my kernel build opted out of. |
| 08:21.45 | andares | so it looks like I'll have to compile my kernel manually or something. |
| 08:22.00 | nsadmin | "my kernel build", what's your uname -r? |
| 08:22.11 | andares | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 08:24.01 | andares | nsadmin: does /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu exist for you? |
| 08:24.05 | nsadmin | and /sys has fs/? |
| 08:24.10 | andares | yeah. |
| 08:24.18 | andares | I have /sys/fs/cgroup but it's empty. |
| 08:24.28 | nsadmin | let me see... (btw I'm running lenny, and I don't know if I have sysfs |
| 08:24.31 | nsadmin | ) |
| 08:24.38 | andares | lenny, old school. |
| 08:25.06 | nsadmin | my /sys contains a lot including fs/ which is empty |
| 08:25.14 | andares | hm. |
| 08:25.22 | andares | what's your kernel version? |
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| 08:25.39 | nsadmin | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:25.44 | TwoTwenty | andares, do you think it has anything to do with udev and the ubuntu work around ? |
| 08:26.03 | andares | don't think so, I don't have that stuff in /dev either. |
| 08:26.11 | TwoTwenty | nsadmin runs lenny |
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| 08:26.40 | TwoTwenty | andares I remember when Ir ead on some feed about it it was made against a 39 kernel |
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| 08:26.49 | andares | 39? they're on 39 now? |
| 08:26.57 | nsadmin | good thing I'm not in soviet russia... then lenny would run me! |
| 08:27.20 | andares | okay, must install newest unstable kernel. |
| 08:27.29 | TwoTwenty | no sorry thats when it was going to be in mainline kernel |
| 08:27.48 | TwoTwenty | haha |
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| 08:29.18 | Humanoid | How do I enable kernel mode setting? |
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| 08:31.50 | macrobat | andares: newest sid kernel is a 2.6.32 one |
| 08:33.01 | macrobat | i think CONFIG_CGROUPS is set to y, but check: grep CONFIG_CGROUPS /boot/config-2.6* |
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| 08:34.24 | andares | yeah, it is. |
| 08:34.44 | andares | but /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu still doesn't exist for some reason? maybe I need to mount it? |
| 08:35.25 | macrobat | andares: read the article you linked :D |
| 08:35.33 | macrobat | /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu is fedora stuff |
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| 08:36.18 | andares | oh. I thought that the structure was the same on all distros. |
| 08:36.22 | andares | where do I put it in then? |
| 08:36.53 | macrobat | read on |
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| 08:37.11 | andares | oh, the ubuntu workaround thing? |
| 08:37.36 | macrobat | it also says that the ubuntu solution is not tested |
| 08:37.42 | andares | wheeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 08:38.04 | macrobat | does it feel faster? |
| 08:38.14 | andares | not yet, I'm not oe implementing it yet. |
| 08:38.19 | andares | *done |
| 08:38.26 | solidrock | ubuntu is not good for server production |
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| 08:39.01 | andares | reboot, wish me luck! |
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| 08:46.00 | TwoTwenty | I have to tell everyone this, this is my life story starting with recently .. I tried openfiler and freenas, they lived for about 20 minutes each and then my NAS was back on debian, long ago I tried gentoo, I ended back up with debian, even longer ago used windows and then went to slack then to debian, I prefered debian, I then tried redhat fedora ubuntu, but then I ended back up with debian... if there is a light at the end of a tunne |
| 08:46.00 | TwoTwenty | l its a little very bright pink swirl |
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| 08:46.43 | TwoTwenty | yes debian is heavan, thank you deb devs |
| 08:47.30 | timido | can someone help me out with this error I'm trying to fix. dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
| 08:47.32 | timido | I'm getting that error while doing dpkg --configure -a |
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| 08:48.34 | opakavic | i think -a for all |
| 08:48.37 | jordanm | timido: show us the output of "mount" |
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| 08:49.03 | jordanm | opakavic: -a is "pending" |
| 08:49.18 | timido | jordanm, can you join #flood since i cannot open any internet browsers |
| 08:49.27 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 08:49.27 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 08:49.40 | jordanm | ah, well guess you can't install it |
| 08:49.49 | timido | i guess you're right jordanm |
| 08:49.50 | timido | bravo ;) |
| 08:50.03 | jordanm | alright, i joined |
| 08:50.23 | timido | there it is. |
| 08:50.25 | timido | is that a bug or something? |
| 08:50.56 | jordanm | timido: lets see /proc/mounts |
| 08:51.00 | timido | example when i try with sudo dpkg --configure -a i get this error saying sudo: Can't open /var/lib/sudo/Joint/1: Read-only file system |
| 08:51.05 | timido | dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
| 08:51.05 | dpkg | timido: wish i knew |
| 08:51.24 | TwoTwenty | you file system is likely mounted read only |
| 08:51.26 | rozie | timido: mount |
| 08:51.27 | jordanm | timido: are you in a recovery environment? |
| 08:51.37 | timido | not to my knowledge. i believe. |
| 08:51.38 | rozie | timido: probably FS needs fscking |
| 08:51.41 | jordanm | rozie: it displays it as rw, need to see /proc/mounts |
| 08:52.01 | timido | just paste it right now jordanm |
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| 08:52.28 | jordanm | timido: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 08:52.43 | jordanm | timido: you will want to reboot and do a fsck, and check dmesg |
| 08:52.47 | timido | sudo: Can't open /var/lib/sudo/Joint/1: Read-only file system |
| 08:52.48 | timido | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda1 read-write, is write-protected |
| 08:52.52 | jordanm | possible issues with your filesystem |
| 08:53.11 | rozie | timido: what kind of machine it is? |
| 08:53.18 | timido | is a laptop |
| 08:53.21 | jordanm | timido: what version of debian is this? is it an embedded device? |
| 08:53.32 | timido | jordanm, i'm using debian squeeze |
| 08:53.41 | rozie | if it's desktop I'd recommend running live, checking SMART and fscking all partitions |
| 08:53.57 | rozie | and backup before fsck... |
| 08:54.05 | timido | damn, crap |
| 08:54.22 | rozie | first of all, run smartcl |
| 08:54.26 | rozie | smartctl |
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| 08:55.05 | timido | damn let me reboot |
| 08:55.08 | timido | to see if that helps |
| 08:55.26 | jordanm | imagines it will fail to boot |
| 08:55.46 | timido | hmmm |
| 08:55.47 | timido | let's see |
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| 08:57.22 | TheSarge | Hello. |
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| 08:58.35 | macrobat | andares didn't return yet, i guess his computer blew up, then |
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| 08:59.10 | macrobat | welcome to #debian, TheSarge |
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| 08:59.24 | TheSarge | Thanks. |
| 08:59.43 | TheSarge | I am thinking about switching from ubuntu |
| 09:00.36 | nsadmin | what has you thinking about htat? |
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| 09:00.53 | TheSarge | Well I used Debian before Ubuntu. |
| 09:00.59 | TheSarge | Hence my name.. |
| 09:01.06 | TheSarge | That is when I switched :) |
| 09:01.11 | TheSarge | 2005 Sarge. |
| 09:01.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:01.27 | TheSarge | Because I thought all the good devs were going over to Ubuntu. |
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| 09:01.58 | TheSarge | But I do not like the way they are doing things anymore. Seems they have almost become the windows of linux... |
| 09:02.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:02.22 | TheSarge | I guess it is good for Linux Desktop marketshare.. but eh. |
| 09:02.47 | TheSarge | This conversation doesn't seem very productive lol. |
| 09:03.07 | nsadmin | perhaps not |
| 09:03.13 | jordanm | !why debian |
| 09:03.13 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 09:03.15 | nsadmin | I'm just curious, so I asked |
| 09:03.31 | nsadmin | !factinfo why debian |
| 09:03.31 | dpkg | why debian -- last modified at Thu Feb 19 23:42:55 2009 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 635 times, last by jordanm, 18s ago. |
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| 09:04.29 | nsadmin | so you don't like the way ubuntu is doing things, meaning how they decide what goes into it? |
| 09:05.15 | TheSarge | Yes, and the kernel team makes horid decisons. |
| 09:05.25 | TheSarge | As to what patches to apply when and so on. |
| 09:05.33 | nsadmin | ok, so it sounds more like you want to switch now |
| 09:05.54 | TheSarge | Like how did you guys handle the previous kernel patch vs the easy bashrc fix? |
| 09:06.29 | jordanm | you won't find debian applying patches a day after they hit slashdot.. and never in a stable release |
| 09:06.38 | nsadmin | I'm not personally aware of either of those |
| 09:06.39 | TheSarge | I mean sid. |
| 09:06.53 | TheSarge | You guys still have a testing branch? |
| 09:06.56 | TheSarge | Right? |
| 09:06.59 | nsadmin | yep |
| 09:07.04 | jordanm | TheSarge: testing is frozen. nothing goes into sid that is not targetted for squeeze release |
| 09:07.14 | TheSarge | Hmmm |
| 09:07.23 | TheSarge | Kernel freeze? |
| 09:07.32 | jordanm | everything freeze |
| 09:07.39 | nsadmin | that would be part of the set of things |
| 09:07.43 | TheSarge | That seems silly to me as well :( |
| 09:08.16 | jordanm | TheSarge: you can't make the release-critical bug count hit 0 if people continue to upload new packages which need to be tested for new RC bugs |
| 09:08.34 | TheSarge | That is the point of a testing branch though? |
| 09:08.44 | nsadmin | correct. |
| 09:08.48 | jordanm | TheSarge: no, the point of testing is to test the next stable release |
| 09:08.57 | TheSarge | I would disagree. |
| 09:09.10 | nsadmin | perhaps debian is not what you want then |
| 09:09.11 | TheSarge | You test the latest and greatest untill they can be the next stable release. |
| 09:09.11 | jordanm | TheSarge: then where do you think the next stable release should be tested? |
| 09:09.15 | rww | This ends in TheSarge using Arch :\ |
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| 09:09.25 | macrobat | i still don't understand why unstable is frozen. manpower shortage? :D |
| 09:09.30 | TheSarge | or LFS lol. |
| 09:09.35 | themill | !slushy |
| 09:09.35 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 09:09.59 | jordanm | macrobat: unstable is froze because things uploaded to unstable target the next release |
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| 09:10.11 | jordanm | macrobat: packages currently targetting wheezy are uploaded to experimental |
| 09:10.16 | TheSarge | I know when I used Debian from Potato to Sarge it was not like that. |
| 09:10.28 | TheSarge | All new packages and patches were tested in sid. |
| 09:10.35 | nsadmin | TheSarge: the point is do you want the result of extensive testing, or do you want to do that testing yourself |
| 09:10.38 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:10.47 | TheSarge | No.. |
| 09:10.57 | nsadmin | so, neither choice? |
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| 09:11.06 | jordanm | I don't thing "no" was a valid answer to that question... |
| 09:11.07 | TheSarge | The community tests sid and fixes of thows packages untill it is stable.. |
| 09:11.18 | TheSarge | or/of/ |
| 09:11.22 | themill | TheSarge: that's not true. Sarge froze in exactly the same way. |
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| 09:11.47 | jordanm | TheSarge: if that were the case and sid was completely volatile, we would never see a stable release |
| 09:11.50 | TheSarge | themill: I am not here to argue but I was an active developer on Sarge and that is not true, |
| 09:11.57 | fredl | hmm the stable/testing/unstable debate goes on? :) |
| 09:11.58 | ethanol | good morning irc users! |
| 09:12.13 | macrobat | good morning time zone |
| 09:12.43 | themill | TheSarge: reading the freeze announcement might help refresh your memory: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html. The text of the squeeze freeze announcement is almost the same. |
| 09:12.52 | TheSarge | Anyways it is installing in a vbox. I am trying it as well as mint. |
| 09:13.52 | nsadmin | ok, so at this point I'm closing at least my discussion of OSes other than debian, as (1) you know the deal and (2) other OSes are off topic |
| 09:13.53 | jordanm | mint is nothing more than a couple custom apps and themes on top of ubuntu or debian testing |
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| 09:14.18 | TheSarge | You mean Distro vs OS. Right? |
| 09:14.31 | fredl | :) |
| 09:14.33 | K0JIbKA | Good time of year, Universe! |
| 09:14.33 | TheSarge | Linux is an OS. Debian is a distrobution. |
| 09:15.09 | fredl | well the name of this channel is probably a dead giveaway right? |
| 09:15.16 | nsadmin | so now we're going to get pedantic about semantics |
| 09:15.24 | TheSarge | jordanm: That is exactly was Ubuntu started as, right? |
| 09:15.25 | fredl | not to butt in.... |
| 09:15.32 | themill | TheSarge: feel free to engage your brain here. Just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to argue. |
| 09:15.34 | solidrock | agreed with TheSarge |
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| 09:16.20 | TheSarge | Sorry was not trying to troll. |
| 09:16.33 | nsadmin | not saying you're a troll... suffice it to say you're matching a pattern or three |
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| 09:16.45 | TheSarge | sighs |
| 09:17.04 | TheSarge | I have seen you match more than 3 patterns myself here. |
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| 09:17.23 | fredl | be nice kids :) |
| 09:17.53 | TheSarge | Ubuntu is just a good example of how Open Source works. Take an awesome piece of software and improve upon it. |
| 09:18.02 | TheSarge | I hate to say that, I love Debian. |
| 09:18.04 | nsadmin | bottom line: try it and see if you like it... read cited references... if you like it, cool... if not, run something you do like |
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| 09:18.16 | TheSarge | That is the plan. |
| 09:18.28 | jordanm | improve is subjective |
| 09:18.40 | fredl | TheSarge - you forgot 'support it' |
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| 09:18.45 | TheSarge | Sure, so is 10x the amount od users. |
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| 09:18.59 | TheSarge | /of/of/ |
| 09:19.02 | TheSarge | od |
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| 09:19.31 | TheSarge | Eh, my support has always been documentation. IRC help = RTFM. |
| 09:19.32 | JyZyXEL | is write caching on sata controllers something that they usually have? |
| 09:19.49 | nsadmin | evidently, you still have feelings over this, or ubuntu, or how you think things should be run |
| 09:20.13 | JyZyXEL | i hear write caching is a feature that can have order of magnitude results in performance |
| 09:20.14 | TheSarge | That sentence has far too many comas for me to understand? |
| 09:20.43 | TheSarge | I am just feeling out some different distros is all. |
| 09:21.03 | nsadmin | and the irc channels that have them as topics |
| 09:21.08 | nsadmin | evidently |
| 09:21.18 | TheSarge | I used Debian for 4 years before Ubuntu existed. |
| 09:21.20 | jordanm | !ot |
| 09:21.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 09:21.34 | jordanm | not really support here, going on for quite a while. please continue it ot |
| 09:21.46 | jordanm | s/it/in/ |
| 09:21.51 | fredl | tnx jordanm |
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| 09:22.11 | TheSarge | Lol. |
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| 09:23.15 | fredl | TheSarge, #debian-offtopic is not just a distraction, you can often times have meaningfull discussions there. |
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| 09:25.20 | sylow- | Hi, I'm afraid I used a wrong sources.list (lenny instead sarge) and partially installed some programs/libs. when I do apt-get install vim, I get 'libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable', any ideas? |
| 09:26.32 | macrobat | (lenny instead of sarge) or (sarge instead of lenny)? |
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| 09:27.02 | sylow- | the system is sarge, and it downloaded some .deb's for lenny |
| 09:27.03 | nsadmin | sylow-: whats your uname -r |
| 09:27.25 | sylow- | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:28.10 | nsadmin | and dpkg -s libc6 | grep ^Version |
| 09:28.32 | sylow- | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 09:28.54 | nsadmin | you seem to have a mixed system |
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| 09:29.22 | sylow- | yeah, I'm afraid so after my big mistake |
| 09:29.34 | nsadmin | you can keep it or trade it for what's behind door number 2 |
| 09:30.08 | sylow- | dist-upgrade ? |
| 09:30.19 | nsadmin | well what do you want to be running? |
| 09:30.57 | sylow- | doesn't matter mutch, it's an old dev-server for basic things |
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| 09:31.26 | sylow- | preferably, one without errors ;) |
| 09:31.51 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you upgrade first to etch |
| 09:32.13 | nsadmin | I'm guessing, your sources.list say stable? |
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| 09:33.04 | sylow- | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib (this is the one I have now) |
| 09:33.35 | nsadmin | that looks good... but is that the entire content of the file? |
| 09:33.46 | nsadmin | somehow you're getting lenny |
| 09:33.50 | sylow- | no, deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 09:33.57 | nsadmin | ahh, that's how |
| 09:34.05 | sylow- | ah |
| 09:34.16 | nsadmin | you'd be commenting that out for now |
| 09:34.22 | nsadmin | any other lines? |
| 09:34.28 | sylow- | no, all commented |
| 09:34.31 | nsadmin | other than blank and comments |
| 09:34.33 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:35.06 | nsadmin | first thing, is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 09:35.21 | nsadmin | you want your sarge to be uptodate before you do anything |
| 09:35.22 | sylow- | i wasa bit in a hurry, tried to install vim, it complained about missing sources at some belnet.be ftp mirror.. so I changed it, then pressed 'Y' too fast with these results |
| 09:36.04 | nsadmin | the security line commented? |
| 09:36.10 | sylow- | yes it is now |
| 09:36.34 | nsadmin | ok, go ahead and run the above |
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| 09:37.02 | sylow- | apt-get update goes ok, apt-get upgrade complains about dependencies |
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| 09:37.20 | sylow- | libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable and locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable |
| 09:37.37 | opakavic | which is better, apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:37.57 | nsadmin | for him? apt-get |
| 09:38.12 | opakavic | sylow-: think yo have to apt-get -f install |
| 09:38.24 | opakavic | nsadmin: i asked generally |
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| 09:38.47 | nsadmin | if he does that he's going to get more bad packages |
| 09:39.04 | nsadmin | which will be good later but not yet |
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| 09:39.36 | opakavic | nsadmin: yo proceed . . i learn this new type now |
| 09:39.36 | sylow- | yeah, I got "To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'" and canceled |
| 09:39.40 | opakavic | i'm watching |
| 09:39.44 | djszapi | Is there anything to make the package creation faster ? It somehow is crazy if I modify one line in the code, it takes me 5 mins to get the new debian package with dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 09:39.48 | nsadmin | sylow-, ls /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_* |
| 09:39.56 | nsadmin | should be one line or an error |
| 09:40.35 | sylow- | i don't have that file |
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| 09:40.42 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:40.47 | sylow- | dit apt-get autoclean earlier |
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| 09:40.54 | sylow- | did* sigh |
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| 09:41.35 | nsadmin | dpkg -s glibc | grep ^Depend |
| 09:41.35 | dpkg | You Fool! glibc | grep ^Depend is installed! |
| 09:42.09 | sylow- | aha: Package `glibc' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 09:44.12 | skx | Is there a tool like FreeBSD's pkg_cutleaves for Debian? |
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| 09:45.21 | skx | Is there a tool like FreeBSD's pkg_cutleaves for Debian? It lists the "leaves" (packages that no other packages depend on) and lets you remove them, in multiple runs, so you can also remove the new "leaves" |
| 09:45.31 | jelly-home | sylow-: trying to install packages for Debian 5.0 on a Debian 3.1 isn't likely to work well and might leave your system completely unusable |
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| 09:46.47 | sylow- | jelly-home: I know it doesn't work, it wasn't my intention to try that |
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| 09:48.02 | skx | ok, debfoster seems to be it |
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| 09:51.32 | nsadmin | jelly-home: he -already- has lenny packages installed |
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| 09:52.05 | nsadmin | what's the sarge libc package called? |
| 09:52.21 | nsadmin | sylow-, dpkg -s libc6 | grep ^Depend |
| 09:52.57 | sylow- | Depends: tzdata |
| 09:53.23 | sylow- | but it has no installation candidate |
| 09:53.24 | nsadmin | sylow-, dpkg -s libc6 | grep ^Version |
| 09:53.42 | sylow- | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 09:53.55 | nsadmin | so you have the etch libc6 |
| 09:54.17 | nsadmin | try apt-get install libc6 |
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| 09:54.59 | nsadmin | you might end up having to download the .deb by hand and installing it |
| 09:55.29 | sylow- | it says libc6 is already the newest version. + complains about depening tzdata & locals |
| 09:55.40 | sylow- | ok, I'll search the .deb |
| 09:56.39 | nsadmin | what's the arch? |
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| 09:57.32 | nsadmin | what cpu do you have? |
| 09:58.00 | sylow- | cpu Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| 09:58.42 | solidrock | guys any good recommendation for virtualization? |
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| 10:01.56 | vajtsz | on squeeze I use lxc |
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| 10:02.53 | cryptr | vajtsz: silly question maybe, but do you virtualize different operatingsystems with lxc too? i thought it was just for netnamespace |
| 10:03.14 | vajtsz | yes, i'm only linux... |
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| 10:03.24 | cryptr | oki |
| 10:03.57 | sylow- | nsadmin: sorry to delay .. boss is stalking me :( |
| 10:03.59 | solidrock | Jck: for production ? |
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| 10:09.47 | nsadmin | sylow-, try installing this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb |
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| 10:11.01 | nsadmin | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/locales_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_all.deb |
| 10:11.06 | nsadmin | and that |
| 10:11.37 | nsadmin | maybe you need both, and to install them on the same dpkg -i command line |
| 10:12.13 | nsadmin | , info nscd |
| 10:12.14 | judd | Package nscd (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: GNU C Library: Name Service Cache Daemon. Version: 2.7-18lenny4; Size: 167.8k; Installed: 344k |
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| 10:13.59 | jelly | sylow-: are you planning to upgrade this machine or get rid of it? |
| 10:14.17 | sylow- | i just want to install vim :p |
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| 10:14.28 | sylow- | if it was my system, I'd upgrade it |
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| 10:14.48 | jelly | sylow-: did you install the etch libc6 or was it there before? |
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| 10:16.10 | sylow- | jelly: not sure.. I think it wasn't there before |
| 10:16.26 | sylow- | nsadmin: ok, that seemed to go smoothly |
| 10:17.42 | jelly | sylow-: if you can confirm that, that'd be great. Else there's a possibility some other binaries are using features from libc6 etch are are going to stop working after that downgrade. |
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| 10:18.07 | sylow- | hmm |
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| 10:19.25 | sylow- | well , if i do now apt-get install wget , returns a bunch of lines like wget: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed |
| 10:20.06 | jelly | sylow-: run an apt-get update, repear |
| 10:20.15 | jelly | repeat* even |
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| 10:20.50 | nsadmin | sylow-, ok, yeah, run the update |
| 10:21.13 | jelly | sylow-: that would have been a remnant of etch sources having been enabled. After every sources.list change, an apt-get update needs to be done |
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| 10:21.48 | nsadmin | which means you probablyu forgot to run apt-get update after you commented out the security line |
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| 10:28.02 | sylow- | nsadmin, jelly: it just hits and Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 10:29.16 | sylow- | no I did an update too after commenting out the security line |
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| 10:30.41 | Lioncub | :D |
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| 10:32.25 | Lioncub | shutdown problem lenny on eeepc 701 |
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| 10:34.46 | nsadmin | sylow-: what happens when you do apt-get -f install |
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| 10:35.30 | sylow- | many lines and 497MB disk space will be freed and To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 10:35.44 | nsadmin | wait |
| 10:35.50 | sylow- | I do ;) |
| 10:35.58 | nsadmin | find out why it's phrasing it that way |
| 10:36.10 | nsadmin | there's something weird |
| 10:36.18 | nsadmin | look at the many lines |
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| 10:37.17 | sylow- | it corrected dependencies, then wants to remove a lot of things "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 317 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
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| 10:41.50 | sylow- | looks like everything depends on libc6 |
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| 10:43.19 | Lumee | I'd like simulate the behaviour of a embeded system in my own pc, with limited memory asigned, limited Hz of CPU, and anything else... Do you know some program for do it? |
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| 10:46.30 | sylow- | nsadmin I don't have a clue why it's phrasing it that way |
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| 10:48.47 | sylow- | the previous commands now give other output, like libc6 doesn't need tzdata anymore |
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| 10:49.09 | dpkg | Dingos ate my libc6 | grep ^Depend -> Depends: libdb1-compat! |
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| 11:00.51 | sedulous | i wish aptitude's package details page would show which from repository a package version comes from |
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| 11:04.37 | macrobat | sedulous: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages |
| 11:05.06 | jelly | sylow-: pastebin the command you're using to try installing wget, its whole output, and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:05.14 | macrobat | nevermind, those files are huge, download apt-listrepository instead |
| 11:05.28 | sedulous | macrobat: it would be much more convenient if aptitude showed it in place |
| 11:07.05 | macrobat | oh, i didn't think about the interactive aptitude, almost never use it |
| 11:07.20 | sedulous | yeah, sorry, i meant that |
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| 11:08.43 | HackeMate | hi |
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| 11:08.56 | HackeMate | I have this local7.* /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log in rsyslog.d, it works well, but now I want to rotate the log daily and as max size 4096 |
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| 11:09.07 | HackeMate | and rotate daily |
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| 11:09.53 | HackeMate | but it does nothing with this file |
| 11:10.03 | HackeMate | my question is: do I need create a /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log { size=4096k }? |
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| 11:15.04 | nsadmin | sylow-, so the output of the command that ends "Yes, do as I say!", can you pastebin the whole thing?\ |
| 11:16.00 | fredl | how do I find the most recent bluetooth docs? |
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| 11:16.45 | fredl | I can't seem to pair my logitech bluetooth keyboard. |
| 11:16.59 | fredl | and docs I do find seem out of date |
| 11:17.28 | orange2k | !acpi |
| 11:17.28 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ See also <acpid>, <suspend>. |
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| 11:18.50 | orange2k | hm... |
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| 11:21.56 | sedulous | macrobat: kind of like that (aptitude mockup): http://i.imgur.com/HmeXX.png |
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| 11:24.08 | sylow- | nsadmin: from when I do apt-get -f install ? |
| 11:24.20 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 11:25.25 | JyZyXEL | if i wanted to know if mptsas kernel module supports SMART for SATA devices, where should i look? |
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| 11:26.42 | sylow- | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/100192 |
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| 11:26.58 | orange2k | how do i determine whether my hardware can support ACPI or not? |
| 11:28.09 | nsadmin | wow |
| 11:28.25 | nsadmin | it wants to remove apt and libc6 |
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| 11:28.45 | nsadmin | is aptitude installed on that box? |
| 11:28.49 | sylow- | yeah, doesn't seems good |
| 11:28.54 | sylow- | yes |
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| 11:29.06 | vtts | orange2k, dmidecode |
| 11:29.15 | nsadmin | try aptitude update ; aptitude -f install |
| 11:29.36 | nsadmin | and don't say "do it" or whatever, but pastebin the output |
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| 11:31.02 | sylow- | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/100193/ basically the same |
| 11:31.12 | drhitl | I have two squeeze i386 boxes, bases systems, newly installed today, and I'm trying to use box2 to NFS mount a dir on box1. The nfs-common package is installed on both. /etc/exports looks good to me on box1, rpcinfo -p looks OK, but showmount on box1 gives: "clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered". Even though box2 can freely ping box1, I cannot get mount -t nfs or mount.nfs to work trying to mount against box1 |
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| 11:31.57 | fredl | hmm somehow my existing bluetooth device has been renamed automatically after I added a second bluetooth device. It got a '-0' behind the name, how do I remove it? |
| 11:32.01 | drhitl | hosts.allow / .deny are empty, and iptables isn't running |
| 11:33.04 | drhitl | rather I should say iptables is never used to add firewalling rules |
| 11:33.25 | Bushmills | drhitl: nfs-kernel-server installed? |
| 11:34.33 | drhitl | Bushmills: I think nfs-common supercedes nfs-kernel-server? Anyway, lsmod shows nfs and nfsd kernel modules, etc. |
| 11:34.43 | nsadmin | yeah that would remove libc6 also |
| 11:34.43 | orange2k | vtts: says "no SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found", does that mean no acpi/apm support? |
| 11:35.07 | vtts | not sure |
| 11:35.29 | vtts | what hw is that? |
| 11:35.31 | drhitl | orange2k: do you have the dump from dmesg? |
| 11:35.47 | orange2k | thinkpad 310ED |
| 11:36.07 | Bushmills | drhitl: apt-cache show nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:36.26 | orange2k | the bios can show the battery and charge state, but everything i try to load to read that state from the OS end fails |
| 11:36.40 | orange2k | drhitl: well, i can dump dmesg, just not sure how to get it off that system |
| 11:37.42 | drhitl | orange2k: copy it onto another host via network? |
| 11:38.12 | orange2k | hmmm hang on while i figure something out |
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| 11:38.41 | drhitl | Bushmills: what am I looking for in that output? |
| 11:38.58 | drhitl | drhitl: there is a package description, etc. |
| 11:39.05 | Bushmills | drhitl: Description: and the text following |
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| 11:39.18 | drhitl | Bushmills: it is there |
| 11:39.33 | fredl | how come rfcomm -a doesn't show any device while hciconfig says they're there? |
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| 11:40.56 | orange2k | ah, got it |
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| 11:41.01 | orange2k | drhitl: http://paste.debian.net/100194/ |
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| 11:42.23 | drhitl | orange2k: looks like the kernel doesn't believe there is valid ACPI data being provided by the system |
| 11:43.04 | nsadmin | sylow-, ok, in the first one it shows all the essential packages it would remove... |
| 11:43.12 | orange2k | hm. :/ |
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| 11:43.42 | nsadmin | what you want to do before anything, is find what version of each is installed, locate the version for sarge and install that using dpkg -i thatfile.deb |
| 11:44.04 | nsadmin | each of the essential packages |
| 11:44.52 | fredl | !bluetooth |
| 11:44.52 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
| 11:44.56 | nsadmin | after you get all that, you'd want to try aptitude -f install to see what happens |
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| 11:45.13 | drhitl | !nfs |
| 11:45.13 | dpkg | Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS file:///usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
| 11:45.25 | allure | hi.. cant find package that contains named-xfer or some replacement... any ideas? :) |
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| 11:45.51 | nsadmin | BUT you might try rebuilding the server on a separate box or the same box if you have enough unpartitioned space |
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| 11:46.01 | fredl | omega:/etc/dbus-1/system.d# hidd --search |
| 11:46.01 | fredl | -bash: hidd: command not found |
| 11:46.03 | fredl | bah |
| 11:46.03 | nsadmin | and then move data to it |
| 11:46.50 | nsadmin | the former approach will take you A LOT of time, and once you're done with that part it's only like 40% of the whole job |
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| 11:47.47 | drhitl | Bushmills: any other ideas re: the NFS issues? |
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| 11:48.21 | Bushmills | restart portmap |
| 11:48.26 | sylow- | nsadmin: yeah.. I think the fastest way is just to backup important things (actually just www and databases) and do a clean install |
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| 11:49.04 | sylow- | nsadmin: do you think the system will still boot in the current situation? |
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| 11:50.10 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 11:50.21 | nsadmin | obviously back up first |
| 11:50.32 | nsadmin | what db are you using? postgres? |
| 11:50.46 | sylow- | mysql |
| 11:51.08 | nsadmin | well you'll want to take dumps of the db |
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| 11:52.59 | nsadmin | unless you install the exact same version of mysql, it's a good chance that backups of the raw files that mysql keeps of the db will not help (dumps supposedly would help more) |
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| 11:53.42 | nsadmin | but on this point, I'm not familiar with mysql so make sure you get other opinions before you decide how to back up the data |
| 11:53.49 | sylow- | yep, I think mysqldump is safer |
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| 11:55.27 | sylow- | when I backuped things, you think a dist-upgrade would make any chance? |
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| 11:57.04 | bluegene | anyone using the dspam package from lenny? i have successfully integrated it into my postfix setup using smtp injection, but i don't see any dspam headers in my mail. i read something about opt-in and create a file in /var/spool/dspam/data/opt-in for each user (e.g. bluegene.dspam) but didn't have any luck. |
| 11:57.09 | bluegene | any hints? |
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| 13:09.22 | Number5_ | hello guys, I've a daemon-app that seems to be started twice. How can I see if startup script rc.d fires a daemon twice (maybe I accidentely added another one to the rc.d). |
| 13:09.26 | K0JIbKA | silence. everybody're busy upgrading to Squeeze |
| 13:09.46 | Number5_ | hahaha |
| 13:10.15 | abrotman | Number5_: ls /etc/rc2.d/ or which ever run level you are defaulting to .. also check rcS and rc1 |
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| 13:10.19 | kj4 | squeeze is released? |
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| 13:10.35 | abrotman | no |
| 13:10.48 | Number5_ | abrotman: you're a great guy, always ready to help. Thank you. |
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| 13:11.24 | K0JIbKA | :-D |
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| 13:12.26 | ghisen | I can't run php cli as a non root user.. any ideas? |
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| 13:13.03 | Number5_ | ghisen: have you added /bin to your PATH? |
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| 13:13.49 | ghisen | No but i have tried the full path to php cli |
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| 13:15.06 | Number5_ | try: chmod a+x /bin/php |
| 13:15.17 | ghisen | I get no errors or anything.. looks like it runs.. but no output... but i get output when i run it as root |
| 13:15.37 | Number5_ | What output do you see as root? |
| 13:15.41 | diago | anyone using rdiff-backup? I have several mounted LVs and am using the --preserve-numerical-ids flag, all file acls are staying (samba => xfs) but on one mounted LV it's bombing when trying to change the acls for the root dir |
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| 13:16.14 | diago | There are 7 dir and only 1 is bombing |
| 13:16.16 | diago | its |
| 13:16.19 | diago | strange |
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| 13:19.08 | abrotman | ghisen: /usr/bin/php5 ? |
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| 13:20.13 | ghisen | Found the problem... it was trying to write to a log file... that was missing the right chmod... thanks anyways guys |
| 13:20.50 | linduxed | i'd like to update my rtorrent package to a newer version, so unless i've misunderstood something, i have to get it from sid |
| 13:21.00 | linduxed | how do i do this? |
| 13:21.48 | linduxed | or maybe even better, is there a guide on this? |
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| 13:25.47 | abrotman | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 13:25.49 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 13:25.54 | abrotman | !tell linduxed about ssb |
| 13:27.12 | themill | (you need to backport libtorrent-dev first) |
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| 13:34.08 | nsadmin | linduxed: "a newer version"? which and/or why? |
| 13:34.41 | linduxed | nsadmin: the sid one will suffice |
| 13:35.11 | linduxed | nsadmin: because certain trackers have started to requeire newer versions of the client |
| 13:35.59 | nsadmin | ahh... example? |
| 13:36.07 | linduxed | themill: would that mean uninstalling the current one? |
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| 13:36.11 | linduxed | nsadmin: tvtorrents |
| 13:36.24 | linduxed | i was surprised too |
| 13:37.02 | rhineshell | has anybody an idea how I can evaluate if the hylafax-server is actually running? |
| 13:37.11 | rhineshell | okay: ps | grep hfaxd but I want only one line, one value for automation evaluation! |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | rhineshell: doesn't it have a lock file ? |
| 13:37.52 | abrotman | shut off his hylafax a year or so ago |
| 13:38.22 | petemc | i periodically run grep DEVICE /var/log/syslog to ensure all my modems are working with hylafax |
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| 13:39.02 | abrotman | knew all of his junk faxes were coming from petemc |
| 13:39.09 | petemc | it receive only :) |
| 13:39.15 | petemc | +s |
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| 13:40.06 | rhineshell | abrotman: I don't know, no entry under /var/lock |
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| 13:41.15 | abrotman | rhineshell: does it die sporadically ? |
| 13:42.46 | rhineshell | abrotman: no, I write a script which uses hylafax and I want to make sure, that it runnig |
| 13:43.54 | abrotman | so what's wrong with using grep? |
| 13:46.23 | abrotman | rhineshell: what's wrong with using your grep solution .. it may not be elegant but it works right ? |
| 13:47.30 | linduxed | hmmm, i just did "aptitude remove librtorrent10" which also removed rtorrent |
| 13:47.48 | cryptr | sounds about right |
| 13:47.49 | linduxed | now i did apt-get build-dep libtorrent-dev |
| 13:47.53 | linduxed | oh waaaaait |
| 13:48.06 | linduxed | it would be good to install the new package... |
| 13:48.08 | cryptr | rtorrent needs librtorrent. |
| 13:48.31 | linduxed | hmmm |
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| 13:49.38 | linduxed | i just did "apt-get build-dep libtorrent-dev" and it ends by saying there's nothing to do |
| 13:49.41 | cryptr | but compiling 0.8.6 is a very easy task on lenny |
| 13:49.47 | linduxed | so i guess it's installed |
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| 13:49.50 | cryptr | aye |
| 13:49.53 | cryptr | most likely |
| 13:50.18 | abrotman | judd: versions transmission |
| 13:50.20 | judd | Package transmission on i386 -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1; lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 2.03-2; squeeze: 2.03-2; experimental: 2.10-2; experimental: 2.11-1 |
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| 13:50.33 | linduxed | now that i try "apt-get build-dep rtorrent" i get E: Build-Depends dependency for rtorrent cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libtorrent-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 13:51.01 | linduxed | it's like it hasn't found the package |
| 13:51.13 | cryptr | you on lenny? |
| 13:51.16 | linduxed | yeha |
| 13:51.25 | linduxed | oh wait again |
| 13:51.37 | linduxed | i didn't do apt-get -b source libtorrent-dev |
| 13:51.44 | linduxed | i guess that would help... |
| 13:51.58 | cryptr | why? |
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| 13:52.22 | linduxed | to get a hold of the latest libtorrent? |
| 13:52.36 | cryptr | latest for lenny yeah |
| 13:53.08 | cryptr | not sure but I do not think apt-get downloads the latest source |
| 13:53.11 | linduxed | well hopefully that will suffice for the sid version of rtorrent |
| 13:53.12 | cryptr | just the lenny source |
| 13:53.19 | rhineshell | abrotman: okay you right: if [[ps ax | grep hfaxd | wc -l] > 1] |
| 13:53.35 | abrotman | you don't really need the wc .. you could use the -q of the grep perhaps? |
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| 13:55.29 | Administrateur | hi |
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| 13:55.42 | abrotman | was he french? |
| 13:55.43 | rhineshell | ps return allways a match since I invoke grep with a hfaxd |
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| 13:56.30 | xyan | rhineshell: why not [ pidof hfaxd &>/dev/null ] |
| 13:56.34 | cryptr | abrotman: hehe i believe so |
| 13:56.58 | rhineshell | xyan: not bad |
| 13:57.22 | llutz | doesn't "grep hfaxd " work? |
| 13:57.26 | llutz | pgrep |
| 13:58.16 | xyan | pgrep matches patterns asuming theres another process called whateverhfaxd it matches it aswell pidof matches the whole word though |
| 13:58.29 | rhineshell | llutz: I just want a simple value as return for a automation evaluation! |
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| 14:10.03 | JyZyXEL | does lennys DM have barrier support? |
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| 14:11.35 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: I don't believe so |
| 14:12.03 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: even if it did, ISTR dm has pretty limited barrier support. You would need underlying hardware raid to make good use of it. |
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| 14:14.26 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
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| 14:17.43 | colo-work | hi thee everyone |
| 14:18.01 | colo-work | is 6.0 going to be supported for the Linksys NSLU2 embedded device? |
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| 14:20.33 | colo-work | I'm looking for the smallest, least power-consuming device or machine that will run Debian 6.0 - performance is not what I need, just an ethernet port. I'd like to use it as an SSH keyvault. can anyone recommend me something that's cheap and doesn't require BLOBs (if possible)? |
| 14:20.38 | babilen | colo-work: I think that Debian *already* runs on that device, so why should that change with 6.0? |
| 14:21.10 | babilen | colo-work: 1-second-google-search: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
| 14:21.34 | colo-work | babilen, I know that Lenny runs on it, yes. |
| 14:21.53 | colo-work | architecture support changes from release to release, at least sometimes. |
| 14:21.56 | colo-work | that's why I asked |
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| 14:23.39 | qq- | The SheevaPlug is a nice replacement for the NSLU2 with 512 MB of RAM and a 1.2 GHz CPU. |
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| 14:26.56 | colo-work | qq-, yeah, it's also vastly overpowered for my purposes, actually ;) if there were some device at half its price-tag, that would make me a happy slacker, indeed |
| 14:27.15 | qq- | colo-work, better ask in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:27.29 | colo-work | qq-, will do so once I get home. thanks for the pointer. |
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| 14:29.54 | wide_awake | hello |
| 14:31.34 | wide_awake | I'm trying to get a new system up and running. Just went through the installer and (apart from some network issues) everything seemed to go fine. Installed 5.0.6 from the netinst iso. Problem is now it won't boot from the hard drive. I'm running hardware raid, but everything was detected fine, and I can get to a shell from the 'rescue' menu. |
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| 14:32.11 | wide_awake | Is there something I have to do with grub to get it recognized on boot? |
| 14:32.25 | joltcan | wide_awake: update-grub? |
| 14:33.04 | wide_awake | joltcan: wouldn't that do just what the installer already did? |
| 14:33.04 | joltcan | wide_awake: but that was a too fast answer. Sounds like something else has gone wrong |
| 14:33.29 | joltcan | wide_awake: I guess we would need more input to figure out what has gone wrong |
| 14:33.43 | vtts | wide_awake, any errors? |
| 14:33.45 | joltcan | like the last lines of grub when it fails to boot |
| 14:33.54 | wide_awake | when it fails to boot, I get nothing |
| 14:34.02 | wide_awake | so it doesn't appear that it's even getting to grub |
| 14:34.11 | wide_awake | just sits there with a blinking cursor |
| 14:34.41 | vtts | wide_awake, did you install the boot loader at all? |
| 14:34.46 | wide_awake | vtts |
| 14:34.51 | wide_awake | vtts: yep, to the MBR |
| 14:35.04 | wide_awake | which is the only option the installer gave me |
| 14:35.16 | vtts | maybe your mbr is protected by bios? |
| 14:35.31 | vtts | (but i guess this would raise an error with the installer) |
| 14:35.39 | wide_awake | vtts: could be. I'm not certain mbr even makes sense in a hw raid config |
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| 14:37.32 | wide_awake | can I install grub to the /boot partition instead? |
| 14:37.58 | vtts | DOS partition table? |
| 14:38.40 | Deem | hi, can someone explain me the idea behind the local addressrange for snort, if the server is hosted in an datacenter? i don't think, that someone can get access to this machine from the local network. |
| 14:38.50 | wide_awake | I'm not really sure |
| 14:38.59 | jelly | I want to find the canonical device path for a LVM2 lv (/dev/vgname/lvname) out of a mount point. Debian typically mounts generic /dev/dm-* instead of /dev/vg/lv or even /dev/mapper/vg-lv, and some tools (notably, lvdisplay) don't like it as an argument |
| 14:39.00 | wide_awake | usually the installer option "just works" - this is the first time I've been in this state |
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| 14:39.19 | vtts | wide_awake, well most likely it is, your /boot partition mus also be marked as bootable in partition table |
| 14:39.39 | wide_awake | yep, it is |
| 14:39.50 | vtts | you could try doing that |
| 14:40.11 | vtts | and look for any errors/warnings from grub |
| 14:40.28 | wide_awake | ok |
| 14:41.14 | vtts | Deem, it is used to mark "friendly" addresses, some rules need that |
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| 14:42.09 | Deem | vtts: but in a local network in which no server can reached another wihout a gateway which is impossible to get. is there a reason to add a local addressrange? |
| 14:42.30 | wide_awake | vtts: how do i know which (hdN) to use? |
| 14:44.22 | vtts | Deem, then what are you trying to monitor with snort? If only your server, then set local address accordingly. |
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| 14:45.05 | Deem | vtts: snort is for ids. so i want to monitor if someone is trying to break in |
| 14:45.19 | vtts | wide_awake, see device.map |
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| 14:46.50 | wide_awake | vtts: where's that? |
| 14:47.05 | vtts | wide_awake, in /boot/grub/ |
| 14:47.56 | vtts | Deem, you are talkinig about the HOME_NET variable? |
| 14:48.04 | wide_awake | thanks |
| 14:48.10 | Deem | vtts: exactly |
| 14:48.24 | vtts | Deem, then set it to your server address |
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| 14:48.41 | Hubologist | hey guys i really like your ubuntu linux |
| 14:48.56 | Deem | vtts: ok. thx |
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| 14:49.24 | abrotman | Hubologist: try #ubuntu |
| 14:49.59 | Hubologist | you mean |
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| 14:50.20 | abrotman | Hubologist: i mean "/join #ubuntu" .. tell them |
| 14:50.50 | Hubologist | <Hubologist> hey guys i really like your debian linux |
| 14:50.51 | Hubologist | <ikonia> Hubologist: try #debian - this is Ubuntu support discussion |
| 14:51.02 | esaym153 | is there any official way to convert a 32 bit install to 64 bit easily? |
| 14:51.07 | esaym153 | other than reinstall.. |
| 14:51.30 | wide_awake | Hubologist: you could have tried telling #ubuntu about 'ubuntu' and #debian about 'debian'. might have worked out better for you |
| 14:51.44 | ikonia | Hubologist: don't be an idiot |
| 14:51.48 | Hubologist | ok |
| 14:51.50 | pipeline | esaym153: reinstall is easiest |
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| 14:51.51 | ikonia | Hubologist: you join #debian and say you love ubuntu, you join #ubuntu and say you love debian, troll elsewhere |
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| 14:51.58 | Hubologist | i am sorry |
| 14:52.04 | esaym153 | dang it |
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| 14:53.10 | pipeline | esaym153: you can make it very easy to renistall |
| 14:53.25 | pipeline | esaym153: before you blow away your system, you just have to save a handful of files, and your home directory |
| 14:54.16 | pipeline | esaym153: when you re-install, install *nothing* -- leave all the boxes unchecked -- then follow this guide http://segfault.in/2010/07/recording-and-copying-system-configuration-in-debian-ubuntu/ |
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| 14:54.35 | esaym153 | pipeline: well it is also an email server with a bunch of system accounts as the mail users. how do I copy all that? |
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| 14:54.48 | Guest24538 | I have a problem watching this particular vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCC4sHl_geg |
| 14:54.50 | esaym153 | I always leave the boxes unchecked :) |
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| 14:55.17 | pipeline | esaym153: follow the procedure I just gave you, then after following it, restore backups of /etc, /home, and /var/mail. |
| 14:55.25 | acxty | Hi guys, I was doing a full-upgrade and I cancel the process. Now that I want to start again it show me this error |
| 14:55.27 | Boohemian | how do i allow a user to have read+write permissions for /var/www and everything inside that? |
| 14:55.32 | pipeline | esaym153: bear in mind your mail server may store mail somewhere other than $HOME and /var/mail, those are just the default locations |
| 14:56.06 | pipeline | Boohemian: add him to a group that has g+rw, then chgrp -R /var/www. Alternatively, you can add the single user using POSIX ACLs. You'll have to google that solution :) |
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| 14:56.28 | acxty | Hi guys, I was doing a full-upgrade and I cancel the process. Now that I want to start again it show me this message -> No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] I keey saying yes but it always keep showing it |
| 14:56.42 | acxty | I want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 14:56.47 | pipeline | acxty: are you using aptitude ? |
| 14:57.00 | acxty | yes, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 14:57.06 | pipeline | acxty: do "apt-get dist-upgrade" instead |
| 14:57.26 | pipeline | acxty: aptitude is too smart for its own good. Sometimes stupid is good. |
| 14:57.40 | pipeline | acxty: this appears to be such a situation. At the very least, more people will understand apt-get's error output |
| 14:57.50 | esaym153 | pipeline: all the mail is in /home/mail |
| 14:57.59 | pipeline | esaym153: that makes it easy, don't it ? |
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| 14:58.14 | esaym153 | pipeline: but can I really just copy /etc/groups and /etc/passwd to a fresh system? |
| 14:58.24 | esaym153 | and /etc/shadow |
| 14:58.29 | pipeline | esaym153: Just copy all of /etc. |
| 14:58.33 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 14:58.38 | pipeline | esaym153: use 'tar' to make the backup, not cp! |
| 14:58.51 | esaym153 | pipeline: I use rsync |
| 14:59.11 | pipeline | esaym153: bad idea. Use 'tar'. |
| 14:59.30 | esaym153 | pipeline: I have always just rsync'd to a remote server and then rsync it back? |
| 15:00.02 | esaym153 | it preserves all the soft and hard links too |
| 15:00.14 | stew | acxty: or do safe upgrade before full-upgrade |
| 15:00.38 | Boohemian | pipeline: where do you add the user to the group? |
| 15:00.45 | stew | acxty: but you should be looking at the release notes about their recommended way of upgrading (in chapter 4) |
| 15:00.47 | pipeline | esaym153: if you want to use tar over the network: cd /; tar -czpf - etc | ssh targethost '(cd /; tar -xzvpf - --one-file-system )' |
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| 15:01.08 | pipeline | esaym153: tar handles more special cases than any other tool. e.g. device files, sparse files, duplicate hardlinks, fifos |
| 15:01.19 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 15:01.20 | pipeline | esaym153: if there's even the slightest chance of an unusual file, use tar |
| 15:01.22 | ethanol | how do I adjust the "resolution" my server uses in text only mode? as in, number of columns/rows. text is fricking insanely huge with a default install :< |
| 15:01.40 | paradigm | ethanol: there's a few ways |
| 15:01.45 | ethanol | cant find good search terms that result in decent google results |
| 15:01.46 | paradigm | look into adding vga= to your grub line |
| 15:02.01 | pipeline | Boohemian: man 8 usermod |
| 15:02.33 | pipeline | ethanol: ...don't use the local console, problem solved. |
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| 15:02.49 | ethanol | paradigm: ah thanks |
| 15:02.53 | paradigm | happy to help |
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| 15:03.44 | paradigm | ethanol: googling "grub vga" seems to pull up what you'll need |
| 15:04.03 | paradigm | ethanol: the other thing to look into is KMS if you're using open source drivers |
| 15:04.14 | paradigm | I wouldn't recommend KMS on Debian Lenny though |
| 15:04.53 | babilen | !fbcon resolution |
| 15:04.53 | dpkg | [fbcon resolution] run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 15:06.01 | ethanol | oh, does it have to be hex? :< |
| 15:06.04 | ethanol | I just did vga= |
| 15:06.09 | ethanol | 795 or watever |
| 15:06.13 | ethanol | seems to work fine |
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| 15:08.00 | shecki | hi, does anybody how, when or how fast otrs3 will propably find its way to the debian packages? |
| 15:08.08 | shecki | -how + know |
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| 15:09.52 | babilen | shecki: There is no RFP for it, so it might help to file one. |
| 15:10.13 | shecki | RFP means Request for Packaging? |
| 15:10.16 | babilen | shecki: Is it very different from otrs2 (or even related) |
| 15:10.18 | babilen | !rfp |
| 15:10.18 | dpkg | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 15:10.21 | babilen | yes :) |
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| 15:10.53 | shecki | i don't know, but we plan to update our otrs (2.2.7) and saw that 3.0 is available |
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| 15:11.34 | scratchme | Hi all. In the debian net installer, is there an option to *just* blank out a hard disk? |
| 15:11.53 | scratchme | Like format/fdisk or whatnot w/o installing debian? |
| 15:11.59 | pipeline | scratchme: just drop to a tty and do it yourself |
| 15:12.04 | pipeline | scratchme: alt f2/f3/f4, whatever, until you get a prompt |
| 15:12.13 | scratchme | When I execute a shell, it doesn't have format or fdisk. |
| 15:12.18 | pipeline | scratchme: then use busybox dd: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$FOO bs=1k count=1 |
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| 15:12.42 | pipeline | scratchme: don't execute a shell, just stay in the installer and drop to the tty in the installer's environment |
| 15:12.49 | scratchme | Odd, it must be just the shell the installer executes. When I use the alternate consoles, it works. |
| 15:12.50 | pipeline | scratchme: it will have busybox and iirc fdisk also |
| 15:12.51 | esaym153 | what is the difference between dpkg --get-selections and debconf-get-selections ? |
| 15:12.57 | scratchme | pipeline: thanks. |
| 15:13.02 | pipeline | scratchme: the emergency shell doesn't have shit -- the install environment has a ton of stuff |
| 15:13.16 | scratchme | pipeline: I see that now. Thanks for straightening me out. |
| 15:13.17 | pipeline | esaym153: dpkg --get-selections gets a list of packages. "debconf-get-selections" is a utility that formats the debconf database as a text dump. |
| 15:13.46 | babilen | shecki: The point is that otrs2 is already in Debian and it might be that the maintainer of otrs2 will maintain otrs3 as well. If it is basically "just" a new version you could also file a wishlist bug against otrs2. I would actually recommend that way, as the maintainer could just assign the bug to a different package (i.e. wnpp) if that is not the right way to go. |
| 15:14.29 | shecki | ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:14.49 | babilen | shecki: And I have no idea when otrs2 might be packaged for Debian. Note however that it will definitely *not* be packaged for Squeeze. |
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| 15:15.36 | shecki | because squeeze is code freeze? |
| 15:15.40 | babilen | exactly |
| 15:15.47 | shecki | then i have to look to a manual install perhaps |
| 15:15.52 | babilen | probably |
| 15:15.59 | babilen | !usrlocal |
| 15:15.59 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* install into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <stow>, <checkinstall> |
| 15:16.08 | pipeline | babilen: that's terrible advice |
| 15:16.18 | pipeline | shecki: install to an /opt path, e.g. /opt/otrs3 |
| 15:16.28 | pipeline | shecki: don't pollute /usr/local if you can help it -- can make side-by-side or uninstallation a nightmare |
| 15:16.29 | babilen | shecki: I would recommend using stow -- it makes local installation quite painless. "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" |
| 15:16.35 | shecki | i would have chosen opt anyway ;) |
| 15:16.52 | babilen | pipeline: What are you talking about? |
| 15:17.03 | pipeline | babilen: you should avoid using /usr/local for installations. |
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| 15:17.09 | babilen | pipeline: Or rather: Why do you think I gave terrible advice? |
| 15:17.21 | pipeline | babilen: /usr/local is a Bad Thing, as the UNIX vendors learned in the 80s. This is a 20-year-old lesson :P |
| 15:17.22 | babilen | pipeline: Why? It is *meant* for that. |
| 15:17.46 | pipeline | babilen: it makes it very easy to trap yourself in a dependency hell due to library resolution order |
| 15:17.53 | pipeline | babilen: it makes it very easy to delete the wrong things when you attempt to uninstall |
| 15:18.00 | pipeline | babilen: it makes it very easy to step on other locally-installed items by accident |
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| 15:18.20 | pipeline | babilen: it's just begging for trouble, and gains only one thing over using an /opt path: it's in your users default shell PATH variable :P |
| 15:18.26 | pipeline | babilen: if you need that one thing, use a symlink :) |
| 15:18.42 | babilen | pipeline: I don't quite see how that applies to installations to /usr/local/stow/SOFTWARE/ and creating symlinks and I also don't see why installing to /opt makes a difference. |
| 15:19.05 | pipeline | babilen: it doesn't -- using a separate prefix under /usr/local is completely different from using /usr/local as a prefix |
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| 15:19.11 | shecki | i won#t bother your discussion, but any software that is not in debian package, we install in opt or self created data dir ;) |
| 15:19.24 | babilen | pipeline: So, what exactly was so terrible about the advice I gave? |
| 15:19.38 | pipeline | babilen: using a new prefix under /usr/local is great advice. "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" is TERRIBLE advice, and that's what's in the dpkg tidbit you referenced. |
| 15:20.22 | karlpinc | pipeline: /opt paths are a disaster. There's a reason package management was invented. |
| 15:20.23 | babilen | pipeline: Ok, I always recommend something like stow (or at least symlinks) ... good that we concur on that. :) |
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| 15:22.31 | pipeline | babilen: I went ahead and fixed the debian tidbit :P |
| 15:23.02 | babilen | pipeline: hehe -- making #debian a better place every day :) |
| 15:23.04 | pipeline | karlpinc: actually package management was invented in order to make /opt paths more modular, not because /opt paths sucked |
| 15:23.40 | pipeline | karlpinc: on sysV, there's usually no ld.so.conf at all, and 100% of library resolution is done form RPATH. (On linux, both ld.so.conf resolution and RPATH are used, but RPATH is first) |
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| 15:23.55 | babilen | pipeline: But I think you went a bit overboard with that. You removed all mentions to other factoids. Rather add a little warning ... |
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| 15:27.19 | babilen | pipeline: And no need to make "usrlocal" the same factoid as "/opt" -- discuss /usr/local in that factoid and mention that it makes sense to create additional directories and refer to <equivs> <FHS>, </opt>, <stow>, <checkinstall> -- you can change the "/opt" factoid (or create an "opt" one) which seems to be a better approach |
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| 15:31.13 | paradigm | ethanol: doesnot have to be hex, vga=795 is fine |
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| 15:33.11 | pipeline | !usrlocal |
| 15:33.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usrlocal is When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /opt or /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. It is safe to use /opt in the same way as /usr/local. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know ... |
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| 15:52.50 | wide_awake | vtts: progress... I got grub coming up :) |
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| 15:54.42 | HackeMate | i want to install a debian without cdrom |
| 15:54.48 | HackeMate | so i used unetbootin |
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| 15:54.57 | HackeMate | but when it is loading says: searching for cdrom |
| 15:55.00 | HackeMate | and gets stuck |
| 15:55.21 | wide_awake | now I'm getting an error messsage of "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x5" |
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| 15:56.58 | babilen | HackeMate: You might want to try one of the methods outlined in the installation guide. "/msg dpkg usb install" -- Make sure to copy the ISO *file* to the stick and umount it. Also make sure that the architectures match. |
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| 15:57.09 | vtts | wide_awake, how many disks do you see during installation? |
| 15:57.22 | wide_awake | 2 |
| 15:58.01 | vtts | wide_awake, how many there are in your hw raid? |
| 15:58.03 | karlpinc | usrlocal =~ s/about them./about them. Even better make your own .deb (use man 5 deb-control, dpkg-deb -b, <gdebi>)./ |
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| 15:58.34 | wide_awake | I have a raid5 volume and a raid1 volume. 8 phyical disks total, I believe, 2 "virtual" disks |
| 15:58.42 | vtts | ok then |
| 15:58.43 | HackeMate | babilen: tanks |
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| 15:59.08 | wide_awake | vtts: should the grub "root (hdX,Y)" command line indicate the /boot partition, or the / partition? |
| 16:01.26 | wide_awake | ack. lunch time. bbiab. Thanks for your help thus far, vtts. :) |
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| 16:03.40 | Vooch | What's the preferred VNC viewer for debian? |
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| 16:05.00 | babilen | HackeMate: Are you installing on a netbook? If so, you might want to consider installing Squeeze or use the <kmuto> installer. Download it from: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 16:07.39 | babilen | Vooch: There are plenty -- see http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer. I like "xtightvncviewer" ... but pick your poison yourself :) |
| 16:08.46 | HackeMate | babilen: yes, i wanted to install squeeze, thanks again |
| 16:08.50 | Vooch | Yeah, looks like xtightvncviewer and xvnc4viewer are the two best, but i wasn't sure which one was better. |
| 16:09.33 | babilen | I haven't done a thorough comparison. Try them both and let me know if you think cvnc4viewer is better than xtightvncviewer :) |
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| 16:10.28 | Vooch | great idea, babilen |
| 16:10.30 | vtts | wide_awake, I am not 100% sure, but seems like it should be / |
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| 16:15.42 | joltcan | wide_awake: my grub "root (hd0,0) points to my /boot partition |
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| 16:24.07 | formula78 | i need install lenny with only wireless conexion, that's posible? |
| 16:24.29 | brahman | Quick usage question, who uses screen regularly? |
| 16:24.29 | formula78 | with a rtl8187 chipset |
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| 16:25.06 | Vooch | xtightvncviewer is easier to install than xvnc4viewer, but it looks worse, so I'm going to use xvnc4viewer. |
| 16:25.07 | stew | brahman: that's an odd question, lots of people of course do |
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| 16:25.12 | karlpinc | !tell brahman about ask |
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| 16:25.39 | Vooch | For xvnc4viewer, you have to use "xvnc4viewer FullColor=1 <ip>" in order to get it to connect to macosx, but the screen looks beautiful. |
| 16:25.44 | stew | !rtl8187 |
| 16:25.45 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 16:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably kmuto? |
| 16:26.19 | stew | formula78: since the installer has a 2.6.26 kernel, and supp;ort appeared in 2.6.27 you'd need a different installer with a newer kernel, see /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:26.28 | babilen | formula78: Note that WPA is not yet supported |
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| 16:27.37 | babilen | formula78: ... or just use the Squeeze installer. See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:27.48 | formula78 | so with the actual installer cd1 I can't |
| 16:28.02 | Sporadics | scientists have discovored sub human like life on other planets close to us http://tinyurl.com/2whmtpe as you must be aware of this |
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| 16:28.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | openvrml-lookat in squeeze/sid seems to be limited to displaying a black window for me... and it seems to search and not find something java does someone want to try if it works for them? |
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| 16:28.29 | babilen | formula78: If you refer to vanilla Lenny 5.0.6 CD1, then yes. Is your network encrypted? |
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| 16:28.54 | formula78 | babilen with WEP |
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| 16:29.42 | babilen | formula78: Thats fine. So, either use the <kmuto> installer with a newer kernel or install Squeeze. |
| 16:30.37 | formula78 | thanks babilen, i'm gonna try it |
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| 16:31.30 | babilen | distributes the received thanks in equal parts to stew and CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 16:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, 1/3 karma? *g* |
| 16:32.34 | babilen | yeah: !babilen++/3 :) |
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| 16:35.11 | formula78 | babilen: where can i download it? |
| 16:35.24 | formula78 | Squeeze |
| 16:35.49 | xoomer | sorry for my question. but, I have an interes too. In Debian really doing kernel updating to vanilla? |
| 16:35.55 | Vooch | For xvnc4viewer, you have to use "xvnc4viewer FullColor=1 <ip>:5900" in order to get it to connect to macosx, but the screen looks beautiful. |
| 16:36.01 | Vooch | i forgot to add the :5900 in my comment |
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| 16:36.33 | dagni | i want to stop service on debian |
| 16:36.38 | dagni | on RH i do service mysqld stop |
| 16:36.42 | dagni | in debian i do ? |
| 16:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 16:37.09 | xoomer | /etc/init.d/... ??? |
| 16:37.10 | dagni | ty |
| 16:37.13 | xoomer | ) |
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| 16:37.28 | babilen | formula78: I mentioned the link already: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:37.46 | abrotman | dagni: invoke-rc.d |
| 16:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoomer, we don't understand that question |
| 16:38.03 | thewanderer1 | dagni: install package sysvinit-utils and you can have `service` :) |
| 16:39.21 | xoomer | sorry. I mean, does Debian support vanilla kernels? |
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| 16:40.00 | babilen | dagni: "invoke-rc.d service stop" "/etc/init.d/service stop" "service service stop" all work :) |
| 16:40.06 | xoomer | have support* |
| 16:40.25 | helo | xoomer: if it is a vanilla kernel, that means it is a kernel which comes from outside debian's repository, right? |
| 16:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "support" mean? There are no vanilla kernels in the repositories, but it'll of course run with one (or at least I dont see why it shouulndt= |
| 16:40.56 | helo | xoomer: so by definition a vanilla kernel is kind of "not supported", but such a kernel should work fine |
| 16:41.05 | xoomer | no, I mean - that kernel downloaded directly from kernel.org. |
| 16:41.08 | xoomer | 2 help |
| 16:41.11 | xoomer | 2 helo* |
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| 16:42.07 | helo | xoomer: there is a nice package called kernel-package which can help you make a .deb out of some kernel source |
| 16:42.31 | xoomer | helo, wow! |
| 16:42.46 | helo | xoomer: if you install the vanilla kernel via a .deb, then the debian's tools will know about what you've done, and won't mess things up |
| 16:43.04 | helo | dpkg: kernel-package |
| 16:43.05 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 16:43.43 | xoomer | and initial ramdisk that utilite should create too? |
| 16:43.45 | formula78 | babilen testing or squeeze has de vanilla kernel? |
| 16:44.03 | helo | xoomer: it can, yes |
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| 16:44.15 | babilen | formula78: No, they install the Debian kernel package |
| 16:45.05 | xoomer | wow! thanks for answers! |
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| 16:45.18 | formula78 | babilen so how can i get vanilla? |
| 16:45.42 | babilen | formula78: Read the discussion above :) But why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 16:45.58 | helo | xoomer: maybe http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch08s06.html |
| 16:46.05 | formula78 | babilen thatÅ ok |
| 16:46.15 | formula78 | you are right |
| 16:46.49 | babilen | formula78, xoomer: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 16:47.51 | helo | yeah, that's probably a better guide |
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| 16:49.56 | Number5_ | Hello guys, I have a very weird situation here. I have a script in /etc/init.d/MyDaemon. This script is called twice!! How is that possible. I made that script, did: update-rc.d -f MyDaemon defaults 99 |
| 16:50.22 | xoomer | helo, babilen, actually, few times I was trying to install new kernel, but no one time I have no good result. So, I prefered after trying 'kernel-package' manually compile new kernel... Of course that I'll do on testing machine |
| 16:50.23 | Number5_ | Please save me from a bad weekend |
| 16:50.40 | xoomer | prefer* |
| 16:51.24 | keith2 | What is the easiest way to find out if a given CVE has been addressed in an installed package? |
| 16:51.46 | helo | Number5_: it is called on startup and shutdown, does that count? |
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| 16:53.08 | Number5_ | helo: what do you mean, it is calling on startup and on shutdown yes. that's why I can see it twice. |
| 16:53.30 | helo | Number5_: and you only want it to be called on startup? |
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| 16:53.37 | abrotman | Number5_: which version fo Debian ? |
| 16:53.44 | Number5_ | Debian Lenny |
| 16:54.02 | Number5_ | on startup I see at the end of boot process: |
| 16:54.10 | Number5_ | MyDameon started |
| 16:54.14 | Number5_ | MyDaemon started |
| 16:54.57 | Number5_ | I was busy half a day befor being sure that the script was called twice on startup and on shutdown |
| 16:56.13 | Number5_ | I thought it was my app, but now I don't call my app at all, I just print a line in the script...and on startup I see two lines are printed. How is that possible? |
| 16:57.12 | Number5_ | I checked also in the rcX.d directories, commented stuff out to be sure that not more than one rcX.d is called |
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| 16:57.23 | Number5_ | pffff, very confusing... |
| 16:57.42 | thewanderer1 | Number5_: so when is it called twice? on bootup? |
| 16:57.44 | helo | Number5_: does your startup script pay attention to the argument it receives, i.e.- start, stop, start_msg, stop_msg? |
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| 16:58.12 | thewanderer1 | Number5_: perhaps it just prints this twice? ... |
| 16:58.58 | helo | err... start, stop, restart, reload, force-reload, force-stop, status |
| 16:59.03 | Number5_ | no no, the script really is called twice! I spend half a day to check what I did wrong! |
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| 16:59.26 | JasonWoof | Number5_: what arguments is it being passed? |
| 16:59.52 | Number5_ | JasonWoof: what do you mean? |
| 16:59.52 | thewanderer1 | Number5_: find /etc/rc* -name *myscriptname |
| 16:59.52 | thewanderer1 | Number5_: and see all occurences |
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| 16:59.56 | Number5_ | thewanderer1: hmm, thnx |
| 17:00.09 | reber | hi all. How to disable a touchpad please ? |
| 17:00.25 | thewanderer1 | reber: see the help for xinput |
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| 17:01.36 | JasonWoof | Number5_: /etc/init.d scripts are passed an argument (like "start" or "stop") telling it what to do. You should be checking what this is. Print them out in your test prints. Perhaps only one of the invocations is telling your script to start |
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| 17:01.57 | JasonWoof | Number5_: add something like: echo "args: $@" |
| 17:02.14 | Number5_ | JasonWoof: ooh you mean that, well that's regular, I have a start, stop and default which is * |
| 17:02.17 | JasonWoof | Number5_: add something like: echo "$0 args: $@" |
| 17:02.39 | Number5_ | Anyway, I'm going home, my will kill me. |
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| 17:02.51 | Number5_ | Thank you all, I'll try at home |
| 17:02.59 | Number5_ | have a nice weekend everybody |
| 17:03.02 | JasonWoof | Number5_: see what args are being passed in your print statement |
| 17:03.03 | helo | you too |
| 17:03.07 | JasonWoof | you too |
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| 17:04.08 | reber | thewanderer1, thanks and searching that |
| 17:04.15 | JasonWoof | reber: my laptop has a hardware key sequence to disable the touchpad. If you haven't already, you might want to spend some time figuring out what all the fn+whatever sequences do |
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| 17:09.58 | boogie1 | Hello. My pc has intell pentium, so what version of Debian 5.0 is right for me? |
| 17:09.58 | boogie1 | (in looking here http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/) |
| 17:10.32 | indrora | boogie1, you'll want the x86 version |
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| 17:10.46 | karlpinc | boogie1: You want the netinstall for the i386 arch, assuming that your machine has a network interfae. |
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| 17:11.24 | indrora | I forgot they're labeled "i386" and "amd64" |
| 17:11.29 | boogie1 | indrora: yhe x86 its not in the list im seeing. By network interface you mean...= |
| 17:11.35 | boogie1 | aaag |
| 17:11.40 | keith2 | answer: If you have a CVE and you need to find out if a package is patched go to: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 17:11.42 | boogie1 | *aaah |
| 17:11.55 | indrora | boogie1, x86 = "i386" |
| 17:12.12 | karlpinc | boogie1: I mean you can connect to a network. |
| 17:12.13 | boogie1 | indrora: thanks |
| 17:12.14 | reber | JasonWoof, you saved me life. It *has* actually !! |
| 17:12.30 | boogie1 | karlpinc: i can. thanks |
| 17:12.36 | boogie1 | keith2: thanks |
| 17:12.44 | indrora | the Businesscard or the Netinst are for you then |
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| 17:12.59 | indrora | I usually use the netinst. |
| 17:13.07 | boogie1 | indrora: but the netinst inst a non full install= |
| 17:13.10 | boogie1 | ? |
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| 17:13.16 | babilen | !netinst |
| 17:13.16 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 17:13.45 | karlpinc | boogie1: No point in downloading packages you won't install. |
| 17:13.47 | boogie1 | babilen: thanks |
| 17:13.49 | babilen | boogie1: It will download the packages you want directly from the Internet. Automagically! |
| 17:14.13 | indrora | the advantage of using a Netinst is that you'll get more up-to-date packages. |
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| 17:14.22 | boogie1 | babilen: who will? netinst? |
| 17:14.32 | karlpinc | boogie1: yes. |
| 17:14.58 | indrora | and its a smaller (the smallest!) installer download. |
| 17:15.12 | boogie1 | aaah. one final question. if i download netinst, is that a debian 5.0 distro without packs that i might not need? |
| 17:15.37 | indrora | It has no packages at all on disk. It gets the packages it needs off the Debian mirrors |
| 17:15.37 | karlpinc | boogie1: Yes. |
| 17:15.49 | stew | indrora: it has lots of packages on the disk |
| 17:15.57 | boogie1 | aah, its a different way of installing the distro!!! |
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| 17:16.01 | indrora | stew, the netinst? I thought it only had debian-installer? |
| 17:16.02 | boogie1 | i understand |
| 17:16.04 | karlpinc | indrora: Just the base packages. |
| 17:16.13 | indrora | I thought that was Businesscard. |
| 17:16.17 | stew | indrora: no that's businesscard. the netinst has the installer + base |
| 17:16.38 | indrora | then why is the netinst smaller than the businesscard? |
| 17:16.42 | stew | indrora: no businesscard is ~30 mb and no packages, netinst is ~150mb with base packages |
| 17:16.46 | stew | indrora: its not |
| 17:17.10 | indrora | I must have let my dyslexia get to me |
| 17:17.22 | boogie1 | Thank you all. You sure are fast to answer!! :) |
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| 17:18.34 | boogie1 | is the cd file different that the one for dvd? |
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| 17:19.16 | stew | yes, the dvd has many more packages. many of which you will never use, all of which you can install over the network instead of from the dvd |
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| 17:19.31 | stew | boogie1: the dvds are intended for installing onto machines that cannot get onto a network |
| 17:19.38 | seeker7 | using the remote desktop in debian can i transfer files from my work server to my local external harddrive? |
| 17:19.55 | boogie1 | stew: got it!! thanks again!! |
| 17:20.25 | debianus | Hi, I just installed debian squeeze on my laptop and have a question. What is the corect way to install software? I heard sudo is not, read on debian forums. What do I use then? I come from ubuntu. |
| 17:20.41 | helo | seeker7: remote desktop is to use a remote desktop like you were physically there |
| 17:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | debianus: Debian generally assumes you will use the root account for system administration. |
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| 17:21.40 | seeker7 | helo; thank you can i transfer files to my local computer like i can when using windows remote desktop connection |
| 17:21.47 | karlpinc | debianus: You use "su". |
| 17:21.52 | jhutchins_lt | debianus: There is a GUI for the package manager that uses a sudo-like mechanism to authorize package management, but the regular utilities aptitude and dpkg assume you will be root. |
| 17:22.01 | babilen | What do you think about recommending squeeze d-i in here. Especially in the light of Alexander's recent mail to debian-news ? |
| 17:22.17 | debianus | Thanks so much guys! |
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| 17:22.43 | karlpinc | seeker7: How do you do when using "windows remote desktop connection"? |
| 17:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | seeker7: You can define a shared folder to be mounted as a drive on the remote computer when you start an rdesktop connection. |
| 17:23.11 | helo | oh |
| 17:23.27 | stew | babilen: its still not to be used for mission critical stuff / servers where timely security patches might be needed |
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| 17:24.23 | boogie1 | why there are different cds (ex, 1, 2 ,3) in the index of /debian-cd/ ? |
| 17:24.35 | babilen | stew: Yes, sure. I meant for home users and machines like netbooks/laptops in non-critical environments. I just don't want to confuse newcomers to Debian by recommending 3 different ways to install ... |
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| 17:25.03 | karlpinc | boogie1: Because if you want to install when you've no network everything won't fit on one cd. You might want to read the install guide at debian.org... |
| 17:25.32 | seeker7 | jhutchins_it: thank you I am trying to develop away that I can back up my servers each night while at home on drives I have at home while i am on vacation. Do we know each other? i am really willian akin |
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| 17:26.46 | boogie1 | karlpinc: right! good idea. |
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| 17:27.03 | karlpinc | seeker7: rsync/dirvish/rsnapshot and ssh are your friend. |
| 17:28.22 | km | i using tightvnc to run gui from linux box, it there a way to increase the display resolution? |
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| 17:28.39 | seeker7 | karlpinc: thank you and how do i use those friends. |
| 17:28.42 | helo | seeker7: yeah... rsync via ssh is a really simple way to back things up |
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| 17:29.04 | karlpinc | seeker7: You may also find samba, and openvpn handy. |
| 17:29.33 | karlpinc | seeker7: And cron. |
| 17:29.44 | km | i guess i need to change the resolution in vncserver? |
| 17:29.47 | seeker7 | well folks looks like i have further research to do thanks to all |
| 17:29.48 | karlpinc | seeker7: You start by reading the man pages, then ask here if you need help. |
| 17:31.02 | km | got it: vncserver -geometry 1280x970 -depth 24 |
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| 17:31.26 | TheOnlyJoey | Hey all, i got a question, i am interested in modifying Debian Live for some purposes, but i am looking for a simple way of being able to work from inside the image, i know Reconstructor had a way in the past of opening a X or a Terminal from within the image, and i want a simple way of doing that |
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| 17:35.55 | jhutchins_lt | seeker7: There is a program called smbtar that is useful if you're backing up data from Windows boxes. You will need to know about samba in that case. |
| 17:36.43 | wide_awake | vtts, joltcan - getting closer again. Somehow it can load the kernel if I reference "(hd0,0)" |
| 17:36.58 | wide_awake | maybe they have different names when accessing from the rescue console? |
| 17:37.57 | vtts | wide_awake, what is your first partition? |
| 17:38.22 | wide_awake | vtts: /boot |
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| 17:38.36 | cahoot | grub or grub2? |
| 17:38.37 | TheOnlyJoey | ah nvm already found Novo :D |
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| 17:39.06 | wide_awake | cahoot: me? grub |
| 17:39.16 | cahoot | yes - ok |
| 17:40.06 | wide_awake | now I get to "waiting for root filesystem", which times out |
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| 17:40.55 | wide_awake | hrm |
| 17:41.04 | wide_awake | gonna try again, referring to it as "sdb" |
| 17:41.09 | vtts | how about (hd0,1) ? |
| 17:41.10 | wide_awake | (instead of sdc |
| 17:41.44 | wide_awake | twiddles thumbs while server restarts yet again |
| 17:42.00 | vtts | what is on sda? |
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| 17:45.28 | wide_awake | vtts: sda is my raid1 partition |
| 17:45.38 | wide_awake | that's just there for extra storage |
| 17:45.51 | vtts | and system is on sdb? |
| 17:45.59 | wide_awake | vtts: looks like the disks have changed names since I ran the install :-/ |
| 17:46.13 | wide_awake | vtts: I think I'm on track now, just need to edit /etc/fstab and rejigger grub |
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| 17:46.19 | wide_awake | thank you again for your help |
| 17:46.30 | vtts | np |
| 17:47.02 | babilen | !uuid |
| 17:47.02 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 17:47.04 | vtts | but the grub has nothing to do with fstab actualy |
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| 17:48.56 | wide_awake | vtts: I know. But somehow the drive that was hd1 (and /dev/sdc) during setup is now hd0 (and /dev/sdb) |
| 17:49.04 | wide_awake | so both grub and fstab are screwed |
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| 17:49.10 | marsfligth | I'd need to know if the first CD image has the same number of HW drivers inside then the DVD image or not. Thanks |
| 17:49.11 | wide_awake | well, not fstab anymore, cuz I fixed it |
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| 17:49.34 | babilen | marsfligth: it does |
| 17:50.56 | wide_awake | babilen: was that for me? |
| 17:50.56 | marsfligth | babilen: thank you for answering. i was afraid that my description was not understable |
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| 17:52.04 | babilen | wide_awake: The uuid factoid? If so, then: Yes :) |
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| 17:52.12 | scx | hello |
| 17:52.28 | scx | i want to autocreate virtual wlan interface |
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| 17:52.36 | wide_awake | ya. thx. I use that on my main system and it's awesome. |
| 17:52.41 | scx | i know that wlan0 is created from phy0 |
| 17:52.54 | scx | i iuse ath5k |
| 17:52.58 | wide_awake | shuffled all kinds of stuff around (including software raid), moving drives to a different machine. Started up flawlessly =D |
| 17:53.02 | scx | which file i should edit? |
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| 17:53.51 | karlpinc | scx: man interfaces |
| 17:54.09 | scx | karlpinc: /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:54.13 | babilen | marsfligth: I hoped so. Let me clarify: Hardware drivers are typically part of the kernel or compiled as kernel modules. The CDs and DVDs install the same kernel and therefore the same set of "drivers". If, however, additional software is needed (such as firmware packages, ...) the CD and DVD might differ. Packages are placed on CD1...CDN according to their popularity and as DVDs can hold more data, well .. you get the idea |
| 17:54.19 | karlpinc | scx: Yes. |
| 17:55.06 | wide_awake | man, these remote kvms are handy |
| 17:56.20 | scx | karlpinc: the interfaces wlan1 and wlan2 not exist, so i should write scripts in pre-up? |
| 17:56.56 | wide_awake | !grub |
| 17:56.57 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 17:57.26 | andares | hey, what's a good benchmark for desktop performance? |
| 17:57.58 | scx | andares: hardinfo? |
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| 17:59.12 | babilen | andares: bonnie++ for disk performance. But what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 18:00.18 | karlpinc | scx: No. You should read the man page and have the interfaces created by ifup/ifdown based on the content of the interfaces file. |
| 18:01.42 | wide_awake | vtts: ok, I think I've got it fixed now. trying a "hands-free" reboot, just to make sure. |
| 18:01.44 | wide_awake | crosses fingers |
| 18:01.58 | andares | babilen: I just implemented http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html and I want to see if it actually boosted my performance at all. |
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| 18:03.28 | andares | brb. |
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| 18:03.45 | jhutchins_lt | Make sure you compile the kernel in the background while you test. |
| 18:03.58 | andares | I didn't actually modify the kernel. |
| 18:04.05 | andares | it's an alternative to patching it. |
| 18:04.05 | wide_awake | success! |
| 18:04.20 | andares | also afk! |
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| 18:08.55 | babilen | andares: You are aware of: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html aren't you? |
| 18:09.21 | stew | babilen: that's the url he gave you |
| 18:10.02 | babilen | hahaha .... |
| 18:10.37 | babilen | I just saw: 200 line patch, and ... well. I guess it is time to have dinner. :) |
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| 18:14.51 | Mr_Queue | that alternative works great on lenny. |
| 18:16.01 | arosen | Hello, I have a grub question. So i'm working on a system that someone has previously installed and its a mess. There are 3 paritions /dev/hda1, hda2, hda3 how can i figure out which /boot/grub/menu.list is the right one that is on the MBR? |
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| 18:19.54 | wide_awake | arosen: try them all and see which one works? |
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| 18:20.13 | arosen | wide_awake: I've kinda done that but none of them seem to work :( |
| 18:20.20 | wide_awake | hmm |
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| 18:20.26 | wide_awake | so the system doesn't boot? |
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| 18:20.50 | jhutchins_lt | arosen: Boot from a CD or USB, look at the filestructures on each partition. |
| 18:21.05 | enthdegree | is there a pastebin script for debian as there is one in ubuntu and fedora? |
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| 18:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | !pastebinit |
| 18:21.23 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 18:21.30 | enthdegree | cool beans |
| 18:21.32 | enthdegree | thanks |
| 18:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | Be sure to sanitize passwords and such. |
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| 18:25.29 | arosen | jhutchins_lt: is there any way to determine it thought? I only have access to the machine via a serial cable |
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| 18:30.51 | karlpinc | arosen: Either change each and have a unique comment displayed and reboot or just pick one and re-install the mbr. |
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| 18:31.38 | karlpinc | arosen: I suppose you could install a mbr for each at the beginning of some partition and the use dd and cmp to compare with the real mbr. |
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| 18:34.12 | enth | Hello, all. I cannot get my xserver to start |
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| 18:34.25 | enth | Here is my Xorg.0.log: http://fpaste.org/YfFq/ |
| 18:34.33 | Stam | Hi |
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| 18:34.44 | Stam | Where can I download a xfce version of debian |
| 18:35.31 | enth | 'startx' gives me 'fatal server error: addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0' . Googling it shows that that normally happens because of you don't have the right resolution in your xorg.conf |
| 18:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | Use netinstall and don't pick graphical desktop, install xfce. |
| 18:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | enth: Sounds like the intell bug... |
| 18:36.39 | enth | well, I'm on a Zipit Z2, I don't think it has intel integrated graphics (; |
| 18:36.41 | Stam | jhutchins_lt: where can you download it |
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| 18:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | !install guide |
| 18:38.10 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 18:38.39 | Stam | I am loomking for a light distro for an old PC |
| 18:38.50 | Stam | I was told that debian with XFCE is good |
| 18:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: legacy OS |
| 18:39.08 | Stam | jhutchins_lt: pardon? |
| 18:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | enth: What gpu do you have? |
| 18:39.15 | enth | heh |
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| 18:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Legacy-OS-31563.shtml |
| 18:39.50 | karlpinc | Stam: Do a minimal install, no X or anything and then install everything else manually. You might try lxde. |
| 18:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | enth: What happens with no xorg.conf |
| 18:40.03 | enth | ah good question. |
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| 18:40.41 | Stam | the specs are too great for this pc |
| 18:40.49 | Stam | Its a 400mhz |
| 18:40.56 | Stam | 300 mb ram |
| 18:41.33 | enth | Over here I'm cranking out an amazing 312MhZ with 32MB ram with a whopping 320x240 screen rez for all your Ascii art pleasures and needs |
| 18:41.47 | enth | Ram is clocked at ~150mhz IIRC |
| 18:41.51 | Stam | enth: what distro |
| 18:41.57 | enth | emdebian |
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| 18:43.09 | enth | Openbox for the window manager. (IN theory, I had x working for a while but then it pooped out) |
| 18:43.24 | enth | The machine cost $15 though (: http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/11/ZipitZ2_01.jpg |
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| 18:43.57 | quiritius | hi! somehow my "password and encryption keys" do not ask for a password when launched. how do i set up seahorse to ask for password when a user tries to access it& |
| 18:44.00 | quiritius | ? |
| 18:44.23 | jhutchins_lt | enth: Does it come with some windows thing? |
| 18:45.05 | enth | AFAIK It comes with uclinux or something. Emdebian runs great on it though. It's surprisingly usable after you boot it and get programs to load |
| 18:45.25 | Stam | why does it say requires 500 mhz |
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| 18:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: Recommends. |
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| 18:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: There's also DSL. |
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| 18:47.00 | Stam | jhutchins_lt: is it complcated |
| 18:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: You're asking someone who's worked with computers since 1973. |
| 18:47.39 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: No |
| 18:47.49 | Stam | jhutchins_lt: are you serious sir? |
| 18:48.16 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 18:48.26 | enth | what architecture is your processor? |
| 18:48.33 | Stam | me? |
| 18:48.35 | enth | yes |
| 18:48.38 | Stam | intel; |
| 18:48.40 | Stam | P2 |
| 18:48.54 | jhutchins_lt | Stam: It's not real complex though, Debian is probably more complicated because it has more options. |
| 18:49.19 | Stam | I see |
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| 18:49.38 | Stam | Does it come with browsers and stuff |
| 18:49.49 | enth | dsl comes with Dillo if I recall correctly. |
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| 18:50.07 | Stam | Can you listen to music and watch movies? |
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| 18:50.21 | enth | SliTaz is a really nice low-end distro. It's also 'easier' |
| 18:50.40 | enth | makes lots of stuff very easy and last time I checked was ~30MB |
| 18:50.53 | Stam | enth: does it come with a desktop |
| 18:51.00 | enth | It does. |
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| 18:51.42 | Stam | cool |
| 18:51.57 | enth | out of the box it's a tad ugly http://www.slitaz.org/pics/screenshots/slitaz-3.0.png but you can change it |
| 18:53.15 | Stam | I love it |
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| 18:53.22 | Stam | I like ugly systems |
| 18:53.31 | Stam | In fact its not ugly enough :) |
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| 18:53.47 | Stam | even fore ubuntu I was looking fore a win98 theme |
| 18:53.58 | enth | http://www.heyokay.com/images/Hotdog%20Stand.png |
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| 18:54.25 | Stam | enth can you make it loook like that ?? |
| 18:55.04 | babilen | points towards #slitaz |
| 18:55.06 | lolcat^ | Stam: That is windows |
| 18:55.12 | Stam | I know,lol |
| 18:55.14 | Stam | its 3.1 |
| 18:55.15 | enth | it's still ugly |
| 18:55.23 | Stam | The colors are ugly |
| 18:55.31 | Stam | the theme is simple |
| 18:55.33 | Stam | I like that |
| 18:55.37 | enth | they're hot |
| 18:55.39 | enth | dog |
| 18:55.44 | Stam | ya,lol |
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| 18:56.18 | Stam | are there any distros that look like that anymore |
| 18:56.25 | Stam | or similar |
| 18:56.31 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, may we return to Debian support please? There is #debian-offtopic if you wish to continue. |
| 18:56.37 | lolcat^ | Stam: Windows 3.1 |
| 18:56.38 | babilen | enth, Stam: I fail to see how this discussion is related to Debian. You might want to take it to #debian-offtopic or #slitaz. It is also a good idea to use punctuation characters once in a while. "/msg dpkg enter" |
| 18:56.51 | lolcat^ | #slitaz |
| 18:57.04 | abrotman | Stam: icewm has a theme to look like windows |
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| 18:57.25 | Stam | abrotman: I think I just got warned |
| 18:57.29 | Stam | for off topic,lol |
| 18:57.51 | enth | Right, back to my question: With no xorg.conf my system just hangs. |
| 18:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | enth: Same error? |
| 18:58.05 | enth | well, startx does. |
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| 18:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | enth: Have you figured out what your video chipset is yet? It looks like xorg isn't recognizing it. |
| 18:58.51 | enth | No, with the others it gave me an error and threw me back to a pty but this time it just loads some and then throws me to what appears to be a dumb terminal. |
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| 18:59.18 | tolland | I have a job in the background, its outputting to stdout/err to terminal, but I can't seem to get it to disown |
| 18:59.57 | tolland | disown #pid says no such job |
| 19:00.03 | tolland | disown %1 same |
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| 19:01.22 | enth | Oh, yes. It uses Marvell's onboard pxa270 video so it's PXA |
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| 19:08.35 | tolland | is it possible to convert the running shell into a screeen session? |
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| 19:09.58 | stew | tolland: there is retty, but it is i386 only |
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| 19:12.07 | cga | hi all, is there a fix for this yet? http://lwn.net/Articles/415866/ |
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| 19:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | cga: Yes, right on the page. |
| 19:20.31 | stew | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2010-3864 |
| 19:20.32 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2010-3864 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-3864 |
| 19:20.36 | stew | cga: ^^ |
| 19:20.42 | cga | jhutchins_lt: ah yes. but i meant a DSA |
| 19:20.46 | cga | k |
| 19:20.49 | cga | thnkas |
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| 19:21.27 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openssl |
| 19:21.29 | judd | Package openssl on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny8; sid: 0.9.8o-3; squeeze: 0.9.8o-3 |
| 19:21.42 | cga | should i install fromunstable? |
| 19:22.02 | cga | or testing even |
| 19:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | cga: No, if you're really concerned backport it. |
| 19:23.29 | cga | eh i don't know how to package |
| 19:23.37 | tharkun | I am sure someone at security.debian.org allready aplied the patch to the g version. Else it should be on the way. Looking at the changelog on lenny should post that info |
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| 19:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, that actually IS a pretty worrysome one |
| 19:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | potentially |
| 19:28.31 | cga | eh |
| 19:28.46 | cga | i'm worried about mailserver which uses TLS |
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| 19:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cga about ssb |
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| 19:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, https ... ssh |
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| 19:31.30 | cga | indeed |
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| 19:32.43 | thewanderer1 | does KDE4 use/respect xdg dirs like GNOME does? |
| 19:33.12 | cga | afaik yes |
| 19:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: What's an xdg directory? |
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| 19:33.52 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: just a couple of variables pointing to localized dir names, like XDG_DIR_MUSIC="/home/users/thewanderer/Muzyka" |
| 19:34.10 | thewanderer1 | GNOME seems to set this on first log on using the user's locale setting |
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| 19:34.35 | jhutchins_lt | xdg's a freedesktop.org spec, right? So kde should follow it. |
| 19:34.41 | cga | thewanderer1: kde should too if xdg-user-dirs is installed. else install and run it |
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| 19:35.43 | thewanderer1 | oops sorry, I got killed by OOM killer |
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| 19:36.11 | karlpinc | cga: The security team will backport a patch (to lenny) and release it when it's known to work. |
| 19:36.58 | cga | karlpinc: cool, in the meanwhile i hope my little server doesn't get much attention |
| 19:37.08 | HackeMate | what partition table do I need for a netinstall usb? |
| 19:37.11 | HackeMate | any? |
| 19:38.06 | cga | karlpinc: but this means that they are already working on that? |
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| 19:40.02 | karlpinc | cga: I can't say for sure, but I'd bet so. The latest versions don't need much backporting, but stable needs to be tested. |
| 19:40.39 | cga | karlpinc: i see. i hope wir == yesterday XD |
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| 19:49.14 | rafuch0 | hi i am reading about that grub still dosent support boot from raid is this still true? |
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| 19:49.51 | rafuch0 | i am going to test this right now but i want to ask first to see what the community says |
| 19:49.52 | rafuch0 | ... |
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| 19:50.14 | karlpinc | rafuch0: It boots from raid1 just fine. Otherwise, I dunno. A separate partition for /boot solves this problem. |
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| 19:50.41 | rafuch0 | that is what i am doing a separate partintion ... i am doing a raid 10 |
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| 19:51.29 | karlpinc | rafuch0: Well it won't work on a raid10 because of the striping. (afaik) Make a separate partition. |
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| 19:51.59 | abrotman | raid10 is mirrored striped arrays ? |
| 19:52.15 | karlpinc | abrotman: That's my understanding. raid 0 on raid 1. |
| 19:52.44 | abrotman | there is 0+1 and 1+0 |
| 19:53.05 | karlpinc | abrotman: 1+0 |
| 19:53.11 | rafuch0 | karlpinc: but you know i have a q... i have 4 hd 2 are the 0 and of course the other 2 are the 1 the mirror i test i remove one and the raid keeps working .... that is good but what happend if the drives that contain the boot partiton fails.... i tested and the sys stop working... is logical since the boot partion diseppear but ... that is problem ...i mean how cut i fix this.... |
| 19:53.12 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody else getting multiple notifications from the power applet in kde4? |
| 19:53.26 | rafuch0 | abrotman: yes |
| 19:53.37 | rafuch0 | for best performance and fault tolerance... |
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| 19:54.29 | karlpinc | rafuch0: If your boot drive fails you tell bios to boot off the mirror. |
| 19:54.40 | rafuch0 | AHHHHHHH |
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| 19:54.55 | rafuch0 | niceeeeeee idea |
| 19:55.30 | karlpinc | rafuch0: I believe that you may also have to tell grub to install on the mirror, because it does not know about the raid0. This works just fine because grub config changes are made to a file that is mirrored. |
| 19:55.48 | karlpinc | rafuch0: s/install/install the mbr/ |
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| 19:56.32 | somiaj | speaking of raid, can software raid deal with a swap partition being mirroed on raid1? |
| 19:56.43 | thewanderer1 | hi, what happened to KDE's "light" widget style? |
| 19:56.48 | somiaj | or is it best to have the boot and swap partition on a different physical device? |
| 19:57.00 | rafuch0 | so basicly i install grub again into a new hardrive and prepare the partion ..... in the mean while i install grub in the mirror so it can boot |
| 19:57.01 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: swap is fine on mdraid for me |
| 19:57.18 | rafuch0 | i do swap in a separate partition |
| 19:57.32 | rafuch0 | i do this i becouse is what i see on articles and tutorials.... |
| 19:57.34 | somiaj | thewanderer1: cool, I have two 160gig drives I want to set up a mirror raid on as an added level of personal backup from hardware failure. But don't have any additional disks for swap/boot. |
| 19:57.37 | karlpinc | somiaj: Swap (should) not care, and neither should the raid. But why? Better to have 2 swap partitions on a non-mirrored partition on each drive. |
| 19:57.57 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: not really |
| 19:58.01 | somiaj | karlpinc: oh you don't have to mirror the whole drive? you can just mirror partitions -- guess I really need to learn LVM |
| 19:58.09 | karlpinc | somiaj: Partition and _then_ raid1. |
| 19:58.34 | karlpinc | somiaj: lvm is something else again. md deals with devices, and partitions are just as much a device as is the raw drive. |
| 19:58.41 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: ? |
| 19:58.55 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I thought you were suggesting them not to put swap on RAID |
| 19:59.09 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I was. |
| 19:59.23 | thewanderer1 | bad things might happen when a disk fails |
| 19:59.44 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I suppose so. If you're really about uptime that makes sense. |
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| 20:00.22 | thewanderer1 | well, it would seem to me that a swap on bad blocks can result in Undefined Behaviour of the machine |
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| 20:00.56 | thewanderer1 | so the RAID1 would have a hard time surviving if a swap request is made :) |
| 20:01.01 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: True. I presumed that the kernel would get a notification from the device and not use the swap, but that may be asking too much. |
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| 20:01.25 | karlpinc | s/,// (Someday I'll get punctuation right.) |
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| 20:03.17 | rafuch0 | whit raid 10 i have fault tolerancy in the colums right i mean if a drive fails into the active raid the spare comes up .... and if a spare fails the other spare will come up right leaving me whit only two working hardrives is this correct? |
| 20:03.42 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I tend to think of raid in performance terms, and relegate relibiltiy to backups. And to forget about uptime as a big consideration because if I really want uptime I cluster with hot-failover. |
| 20:03.45 | thewanderer1 | rafuch0: Wikipedia explains this in detail :) |
| 20:04.11 | rafuch0 | i know but the text of the expirience is so much better |
| 20:04.13 | rafuch0 | X ) |
| 20:04.17 | karlpinc | rafuch0: Not exactly. |
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| 20:05.21 | somiaj | karlpinc: well in the case I have two nearly identical 160gig drives, would there be any advantage disavantage of a raid1 mirror on the whole disk then partition it up, vs giving both the same partition table and mirroring partitions. I'd think if I had hardware raid1 it would be better to mirror the whole hd and then the kernel will just see it as a single device, while software I could get away with mirroring each partition sepertally? |
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| 20:05.25 | karlpinc | rafuch0: You use them all, and if the wrong 2 fail you go down. If you want 2 to be able to fail you use raid6, which is much slower. |
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| 20:06.06 | rafuch0 | guys... do you consider that creating raid arrays and their maintence in dificulty level from 0 to 10 is what 3 5 10 ??? |
| 20:06.09 | somiaj | karlpinc: again I'm new to raid so trying to figure out my thought process on how to design the setup |
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| 20:06.26 | lolcat^ | rafuch0: 3 |
| 20:06.32 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: this should make no difference in theory, but in practice some bootloaders don't like booting off RAID |
| 20:06.41 | karlpinc | somiaj: It depends, but you're probably better doing the whole disks and that way you can more easily manage your partition sizes should they need to change. |
| 20:06.53 | rafuch0 | lolcat^: common ,,,,, that easy? |
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| 20:07.14 | lolcat^ | Yep, set it up in bios, if a drive fail, remove the faild one and add a new one |
| 20:07.15 | lolcat^ | ex |
| 20:07.17 | lolcat^ | ez* |
| 20:07.28 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea that was my original plan, have the whole disk be mirrored as opposed to indvidual partitions -- but the idea of indvidual partitions seems reasonable that way I can keep boot and swap away. |
| 20:07.53 | karlpinc | somiaj: But you don't really need to. (At least unless you're dual booting or some such.) |
| 20:08.19 | thewanderer1 | at least GRUB2 can now boot off RAID |
| 20:08.41 | lolcat^ | I would have my OS outside the raid |
| 20:08.43 | karlpinc | somiaj: You could separate /boot and raid1 the large partitions that make most of the disk and then partition the raided device. But I'm not sure I see the point. |
| 20:08.57 | nick_h | htop was reporting that 100% of CPU-0 was being used by the kernel. what could cause that? |
| 20:09.09 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea I have three partitions, swap, / and /home, was wanting a mirror of / and /home |
| 20:09.20 | thewanderer1 | my current setup, for reference: md0 root filesystem and boot on this, md1 swap, md2 LVM with storage stuff |
| 20:09.40 | somiaj | karlpinc: so my original idea was mirror the whole disk (and thus have a mirror of swap just because I have to put swap somewhere) |
| 20:09.51 | karlpinc | somiaj: May as well do swap too, unless you really need the extra disk for extra swap. |
| 20:10.02 | somiaj | karlpinc: but after your comments having say /boot on one drive, swap on the other, and then mirroring the remaing partition could be a possibility |
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| 20:10.33 | karlpinc | somiaj: If you're going to swap you want swap on both drives for speed. It may as well be raided. |
| 20:10.40 | thewanderer1 | nick_h: heavy filesystem operations, kernel threads by modules, hardware interrupts coming at 10GI/s |
| 20:10.41 | karlpinc | s/raided/mirrored/ |
| 20:10.59 | rafuch0 | question do i have to stop the raid after execute the "halt" command? ... ? |
| 20:11.05 | somiaj | karlpinc: well increases read but slows down write (for software) right? |
| 20:11.13 | thewanderer1 | rafuch0: `shutdown` will do that for you |
| 20:11.18 | karlpinc | somiaj: Not mirroring. That speeds both. |
| 20:11.23 | thewanderer1 | doesn't Linux do automatic striping when using several swap partitions? |
| 20:11.34 | rafuch0 | thewanderer1: thnks goig to test |
| 20:11.50 | somiaj | karlpinc: how, you ahve to do twice as many writes -- which to me would slow things down (read I understand why it speeds up) |
| 20:11.51 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I'm sure it does some load balancing. |
| 20:12.06 | thewanderer1 | rafuch0: actually shutdown -h is for halt, shutdown -r for reboot |
| 20:12.39 | karlpinc | somiaj: You can write to one half of the mirror and do the other half later when there's less activity. Of course that does not work for sustained throughput but in any case writes are not slower. |
| 20:12.57 | lolcat^ | I have a 1,8ghz athlon with 256MB ram, should I get a 64GB C300 SSD or a Barracuda 2TB HDD? |
| 20:12.58 | thewanderer1 | well, let's not forget that disks can run in parallel, too |
| 20:13.08 | thewanderer1 | lolcat^: SSD will not help you |
| 20:13.34 | lolcat^ | Sure it will, I will have something too boot of... |
| 20:13.40 | rafuch0 | yeap .... but there is a diference ... you saying that whit shutdow -h now the raid will stop automatic thewanderer1 ? |
| 20:13.59 | thewanderer1 | rafuch0: it should be deactivated by the shutdown script sequence, yes |
| 20:14.09 | pipeline | thewanderer1: buy neither, get RAM |
| 20:14.13 | rafuch0 | i will do it and tell you x ) |
| 20:14.27 | thewanderer1 | lolcat^: get just a hard disk, SSD will yield no speed improvement |
| 20:14.42 | lolcat^ | thewanderer1: Compared to what? |
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| 20:14.52 | thewanderer1 | lolcat^: to a hard disk drive on this kind of hardware |
| 20:14.54 | karlpinc | lolcat^: It totally depends on your use case. |
| 20:15.05 | thewanderer1 | you will probably be CPU- and memory-bound anyway |
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| 20:15.31 | lolcat^ | I want to do FTPing on a 10mbit connection and irssi inside screen. |
| 20:15.47 | thewanderer1 | this would run like a lightning from a CF card... |
| 20:15.49 | karlpinc | lolcat^: Unless you instrument and know what's really slowing things down you're just guessing about how to make improvements. |
| 20:16.45 | nick_h | thewanderer1: if it (kernel eating 100% of a CPU) happens again, what should/can i do to investigate and fix it? |
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| 20:16.52 | lolcat^ | karlpinc: I know what is slowing it down. It is the 10GB IDE harddrive with a massive amount of sector errors. |
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| 20:17.20 | thewanderer1 | nick_h: see dmesg, see kernel threads in htop, not much I can advise |
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| 20:17.52 | thewanderer1 | oh, and if this kernel load occurs on Intel D945GCLF2 board, you're screwed |
| 20:17.59 | nick_h | thewanderer1: yeah, that's what i've been doing. however, htop only gives so much info, and dmesg spits out a lot of unreadable data |
| 20:18.17 | nick_h | thewanderer1: it's a Linode VPS, so i don't know what the hardware is |
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| 20:19.20 | orange2k | what x server is the best for use on a really low-spec system? |
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| 20:19.33 | qq- | none |
| 20:19.36 | andares | there's only one. |
| 20:19.49 | orange2k | well, let me rephrase then |
| 20:19.53 | orange2k | the least shitty one |
| 20:19.56 | andares | there's only one. |
| 20:20.04 | qq- | .. |
| 20:20.07 | orange2k | ? |
| 20:20.17 | orange2k | i'm quite certain there are several implementations |
| 20:20.21 | andares | not really. |
| 20:20.25 | djura-san | o/ |
| 20:20.26 | andares | there's only one mature/stable one. |
| 20:20.32 | graphitemaster | Wayland !! |
| 20:20.38 | orange2k | yutani! |
| 20:20.55 | somiaj | wayland, a compositer getting in the way of my xserver |
| 20:21.05 | andares | can wayland actually do anything yet? |
| 20:21.09 | graphitemaster | nawh you don't need X |
| 20:21.10 | andares | I was trying to build it earlier this week. |
| 20:21.18 | graphitemaster | it can run with X |
| 20:21.21 | graphitemaster | or run alone without X |
| 20:21.26 | graphitemaster | it works well |
| 20:21.28 | graphitemaster | i run it |
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| 20:21.40 | somiaj | graphitemaster: sure, but then you don't get the xcompadability layer to run most of the current software |
| 20:21.48 | graphitemaster | not true |
| 20:22.00 | orange2k | .... |
| 20:22.03 | graphitemaster | most of the stuff is getting wrapped in the repos |
| 20:22.07 | graphitemaster | to work with wayland |
| 20:22.10 | qq- | !enter |
| 20:22.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:22.28 | somiaj | actually I was courious about waylend, when it says 'compositer' is that all it means, or has it grouped all of the traditional rolls of the window manager (position/movment/virtual pages) into the compositer with all the new gl effects? |
| 20:22.34 | orange2k | i did use dots... |
| 20:22.41 | andares | graphitemaster: does GTK have a Wayland backend yet? |
| 20:22.43 | orange2k | lots of them |
| 20:22.46 | graphitemaster | no it's a (display server ) |
| 20:23.10 | graphitemaster | andares, it is in development since unity is going to be using it. |
| 20:23.32 | andares | graphitemaster: I wasn't aware that anybody who knows GTK was working on it though. |
| 20:23.45 | graphitemaster | does not know GTK anyways |
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| 20:24.24 | thewanderer1 | so what's the future of X? no network transparency anymore? |
| 20:24.40 | thewanderer1 | or how are we supposed to run XDMCP, VNC or SSH X? |
| 20:24.50 | andares | there probably will be network transparency. |
| 20:24.59 | andares | it'll just be another layer that plugs into Wayland. |
| 20:25.02 | thewanderer1 | but everything is going to be based on compositing |
| 20:25.14 | orange2k | in the industry YOU don't run SSH X. the industry runs YOUR SSH X |
| 20:25.18 | graphitemaster | MicroXwin is the best x server you'll get for low end pc's |
| 20:25.20 | somiaj | I just hope debian doesn't get rid of xorg anytime soon, cause I don't want to loose my fvwm wm |
| 20:25.30 | andares | orange2k: that sounds like a bad Soviet Russia joke. |
| 20:25.59 | orange2k | http://www.spootypuff.com/forum/images/smilies/dealwithit.gif :P |
| 20:26.02 | graphitemaster | It sounds horrible what ever it was. |
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| 20:26.55 | graphitemaster | trve crab is trve |
| 20:27.08 | orange2k | indeed |
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| 20:37.43 | Eric01 | Hello, i have exim4 on my debian OS and apache2, all not found file errors which is by apache2 are forcing exim4 to send email. |
| 20:37.55 | Eric01 | how can i avoid apache2 errors not to use exim4 ? |
| 20:38.27 | Eric01 | it's creating over 50,000 files in /var/spool/exim4/msglog and /var/spool/exim4/input |
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| 20:41.42 | graphitemaster | Eric01, parse the logs and use touch to create the files :P |
| 20:41.58 | graphitemaster | or ya know, you could always disable the errors I'm assuming. |
| 20:42.24 | Eric01 | i did disable it. |
| 20:42.42 | Eric01 | still all not found files/images are creating an email error via exim4 |
| 20:43.35 | Eric01 | http://pastebin.com/Wxch3kf7 |
| 20:43.39 | Eric01 | here is the log |
| 20:43.49 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: Wow, never even heard of that feature. Are you sure it's not some PHP addon doing it? |
| 20:44.40 | Eric01 | i installed normal php5 and apaceh2 |
| 20:44.43 | Eric01 | nothing else |
| 20:45.04 | Eric01 | all apache2 not found errors are creating a file in /var/spool/exim4/msglog and /var/spool/exim4/input |
| 20:45.14 | Eric01 | around 50-60k small files |
| 20:46.09 | petemc | !dbugs 366124 |
| 20:46.13 | dpkg | DONE:#366124:I[libapr1] apache2: should mark its listening socket close-on-exec (lenny); Fri, 05 May 2006 12:03:05 UTC [] |
| 20:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: Which release is this? |
| 20:47.29 | Eric01 | i don't know, how can i check it ? |
| 20:47.32 | Eric01 | uname ? |
| 20:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | That's one way, yes. |
| 20:47.46 | Eric01 | apache2 -V |
| 20:47.46 | Eric01 | Server version: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) |
| 20:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions apache2 |
| 20:47.59 | judd | Package apache2 on i386 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; squeeze: 2.2.16-3; sid: 2.2.16-4 |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: I guess you're going to have to go through the apache config files and figure out where it's trying to send you email. |
| 20:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: The only way I know of to do that is to install a CMS with automated error notification, never seen it in a base apache install. |
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| 20:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | you can grep the config files for that email address for a start. |
| 20:50.16 | Eric01 | is there a way to see which addons are installed for apache ? |
| 20:50.24 | Eric01 | maybe by mistake a CMS is installed. |
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| 20:50.58 | thewanderer1 | CMS are not Apache addons :P |
| 20:51.05 | Eric01 | oh :) |
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| 20:53.54 | balleyne | I'm getting an error when I try to restart bind (/etc/init.d/bind9 restart): bind9rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused -- looked around and found some people complaining about permissions, but I've tried to apply those fixes to no avail... suggestions? |
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| 20:59.14 | vtts | balleyne, how about bind9 start ? |
| 20:59.42 | vtts | and if it does not start, look at the logs why |
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| 21:00.47 | stew | balleyne: that will happen if you try to restart when it isn't running |
| 21:01.13 | balleyne | vtts, stew: thanks, sorry, just figured it out actually. I ran named-checkconf -z and it was complaining about something... fixed that, and the 'connection refused' error went away. |
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| 21:14.14 | Eric01 | http://pastebin.com/AYzVbRjS |
| 21:14.36 | Eric01 | apache2 is creating 1000s of files like this in /var/spool/exim4/input |
| 21:14.52 | Eric01 | around 150 small error file every 2-3 second |
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| 21:16.06 | karlpinc | Eric01: You could start by telling us how you know it's coming from the apache process instead of something else. |
| 21:18.11 | Eric01 | because my server have apache2 only. |
| 21:18.23 | Eric01 | and image files which are not found by apache2 |
| 21:18.32 | Eric01 | are creating errors in that folder |
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| 21:19.58 | karlpinc | Eric01: So there's nothing monitoring the logs that sends you an email when it finds an error? That would be an entirely separate process. |
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| 21:21.20 | stew | Eric01: who are the mails addressed to? |
| 21:21.40 | stew | Eric01: do you have a custom 404 page configured for apache? |
| 21:21.58 | stew | Eric01: are you sure it happens once for each 404? how do you know? |
| 21:22.07 | stew | Eric01: have you checked apache's error log? |
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| 21:25.04 | Eric01 | seems they are going to: www-data@empty; |
| 21:25.05 | Eric01 | all of them |
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| 21:25.16 | Eric01 | which is created by www-data |
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| 21:26.52 | stew | Eric01: the one you showed looked like a DSN going back to www-data |
| 21:27.05 | Raydiation | where can i get the rc? here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ ? |
| 21:27.15 | stew | Eric01: and it was not coming from www-data, it was going to www-data |
| 21:27.34 | stew | Raydiation: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: This is NOT normal behavior for apache. Something has been set up and is trying to send mail. Whatever that was, you need to find it. |
| 21:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: Even the basic configuration files that come by default on debian are pretty complex to search through, and we have no way of knowing what among them has been changed by what you've done with your system. |
| 21:37.05 | petemc | Eric01: can you paste a snippet of the exim mainlog |
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| 21:37.56 | ikanobori | Hello, I am doing an aptitude safe-upgrade on a lenny install and the update progress has stalled at http://bpaste.net/show/G9aBXxngVfLo8ungKNKN/ for the past 15 minutes. |
| 21:38.05 | ikanobori | My two other servers had no issues, how can I deal with this properly? |
| 21:39.15 | rafuch0 | http://pastebin.com/vtyiLfHG thewanderer1 check out my mdstat |
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| 21:39.37 | rafuch0 | is raid 10 well made? |
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| 21:40.18 | Eric01 | petemc: exim mainlog is all like this: http://pastebin.com/Wxch3kf7 |
| 21:40.49 | vtts | rafuch0, only 2 active devices mean this is only raid1, not raid10 |
| 21:40.49 | Eric01 | around 70mb file, listing the same error |
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| 21:42.44 | rafuch0 | but vtts /proc/mdadstat says.-. |
| 21:42.47 | rafuch0 | look |
| 21:43.49 | petemc | Eric01: check apache logs, compare time stamps with exim log |
| 21:44.14 | rafuch0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/r7cW6uaW |
| 21:44.25 | rafuch0 | it says personalities raid 10 |
| 21:44.29 | vtts | rafuch0, the overlay might be 10, but the effect will be as if it was raid1, only mirror, no stripe (you need at least 3 active devices to do any striping) |
| 21:45.54 | vtts | rafuch0, why are you not making all 4 devices active? |
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| 21:47.14 | rafuch0 | in the debian installer says configure raid 10 2 for active devices and 2 for the mirroring |
| 21:47.43 | rafuch0 | so i am thinking that those other two disk that says SPARE are the raid 1 waiting for the others two fail |
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| 21:48.29 | vtts | rafuch0, but they contain no data, so you have no advantage of raid10 |
| 21:48.45 | vtts | and only one disk can fail without loosing data |
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| 21:48.57 | vtts | same as if it was raid10 |
| 21:49.10 | vtts | with 4 active disks |
| 21:51.04 | vtts | even more, it is possible to have 2 failed disks on raid10 (with 4 active) if they are not near each other (i.e. not from one mirror) |
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| 21:51.46 | diago | vtts: happend to me |
| 21:52.05 | diago | scary day that was |
| 21:52.10 | vtts | :) |
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| 21:54.23 | rafuch0 | but you are saying that i need 3 disk to do some stripping .... i check here ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID ... and says that minimum 2... so for having a raid 10 i must have to md0 and a md1 one as stripping and one for mirroing? |
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| 21:55.37 | rafuch0 | i dont know this confussing .... |
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| 21:56.54 | somiaj | rafuch0: isn't that raid0 that needs a minimum of 2? |
| 21:57.07 | rafuch0 | yes !!! |
| 21:57.08 | somiaj | rafuch0: so if you have raid 1+0, you need to mirror the whole raid |
| 21:57.12 | vtts | rafuch0, to have raid1+0 you would need to raid0 over md0(raid1 sda5+sdb5) + md1(raid1 sdc6+sdd5) |
| 21:57.14 | somiaj | rafuch0: so you need a minimum of 4 |
| 21:57.20 | somiaj | rafuch0: and can only use multiplies of two |
| 21:57.47 | vtts | somiaj, raid10 does mirroring in pairs of blocks, so you can actualy have uneven number of devices |
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| 21:57.55 | somiaj | oh wait I was dyslic in the order that it happens |
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| 21:58.46 | somiaj | vtts: oh yea? what would the point be, or is it actual size of the two 'strips' have to be equal [basically if one strip has extra space it just won't get used in the mirror]? |
| 21:58.59 | vtts | e.g. http://paste.debian.net/100253/ |
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| 21:59.44 | somiaj | vtts: isn't that different than raid 1+0 (or 0+1), but that there is raid5? |
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| 22:00.14 | enth | Hey, ONE LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE (; Adding Option "Rotate" "CCW" makes startx break with "AddScreen/Screeninit failed for driver 0" Removing it makes everything work, but it all appears sideways ofc. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? |
| 22:00.27 | Yudi_Wijaya | i got problem with debian 5.0.6 (netinst), i installed it on Intel Atom 1.60GHz processor with 1 GB RAM and 8 GB of CF Storage (IDE). The boot up, loading grub takes about 10-15 minutes, now about 10 minutes after grub still loading on initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:00.41 | somiaj | vtts: oh wait I see now, I'm just being dyslixic and getting 1+0 and 0+1 confused. |
| 22:00.55 | somiaj | vtts: data is mirrored (not the disks itself) |
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| 22:01.06 | vtts | somiaj, exactly :) |
| 22:01.11 | enth | >_> |
| 22:01.14 | Yudi_Wijaya | yesterday, i install Debian Etch on same machine and not slow like this, but i worry about the sources.list |
| 22:01.53 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: sure its not a hardware problem, might have to check some error/loging consoles and find out what operation isn't working |
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| 22:02.12 | Yudi_Wijaya | so, what is the problem of my 5.0.6 installation, i just install standard system on text mode... or does, etch sources still available? |
| 22:02.24 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: I bet you the kernel is spitting out errors as it slowly tryes to do what ever it is that is causing it hang |
| 22:02.53 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: ok, maybe must wait about 1 hours,... i think it not hang, just very very very slow.. |
| 22:02.57 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: what version of debian are you trying to install with the net-inst cd? |
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| 22:03.15 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: 5.0.6, last version, i download it yesterday |
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| 22:03.39 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: well some process is being bottle necked, is it harddrive (i.e. truble writing dma), network, for some reason your connenction to your mirror is just extreammly slow and your getting no real down load |
| 22:03.52 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: and your trying to install stable off that install cd right (not just using it to install testing?) |
| 22:04.59 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: if your only able to download from your mirror at a few K/sec as opposed to maybe a few hundered K/sec the last time you tried that could easily make a net-install take a long time |
| 22:05.21 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: hmm.. maybe, because on etch... there is status when boot up, about recoqnise the DMA 16, 32, etc... but not too slow, i can tolerate that.. |
| 22:06.04 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: i choose stable version |
| 22:06.18 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: yea if its a dma issue to writing to your drive, could be a bios/driver/hw problem, but until you find out what is causing the bottle neck not much to say |
| 22:06.27 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: this is my computer specification: http://edccomp.com/product.php?id_product=175 |
| 22:06.30 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: dmesg on a debug console (its there somewhere, alt-f-keys) |
| 22:06.41 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: that's 1U case |
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| 22:06.49 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: if your having dma issues and not being able to write full speed, usually that shows up in dmesg as a warning |
| 22:06.57 | Yudi_Wijaya | wait a seconds |
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| 22:08.01 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: anwyas best of luck, but first figure out what is causing the slowdown, is it hardware/harddrive/internet/driver -- from there you can begin to debug/fix |
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| 22:08.29 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: i can not access dmesg right now, because it still boot up.. |
| 22:08.48 | Yudi_Wijaya | I use compact flash transcend 8 GB 133x |
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| 22:09.15 | Yudi_Wijaya | on etch it not too slow.. but problem on 5.0.6 |
| 22:09.58 | Yudi_Wijaya | well, still not moving from this line: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:10.00 | somiaj | well its most likely something with the kernel, I'd just use debootstrap and put a base system on it via a usb->sata connector on a working machine |
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| 22:10.15 | biker | hello |
| 22:10.15 | somiaj | its probabaly hanging on some module there, but I couldn't tell you which one |
| 22:10.28 | biker | I want to download debian, but Im stuck here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 22:10.36 | biker | does I have to download the 5 dvd? |
| 22:10.41 | biker | do I * |
| 22:10.58 | somiaj | biker: what do you want to do? |
| 22:11.07 | biker | somiaj, download debian |
| 22:11.13 | somiaj | biker: you can get away with downloading a net-install cd and using that to install debian off the net |
| 22:11.30 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: if i prefer use etch, does the sources still available? i just want to install HylaFax |
| 22:11.40 | somiaj | biker: but if you want to download debian (i.e. have a copy of every package and source package in the offical debian 5.0.6 dist) then yse you'll ahve to download all dvds (or all cds) and all source dvds and cds |
| 22:12.10 | biker | somiaj, oo ok thanks :) where can I download the net install cd? |
| 22:12.16 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: I belive all of the debian reps are archived, but how easy it is to use their sources I know not |
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| 22:12.25 | somiaj | biker: debian.org -- don't have a link, but its there |
| 22:12.31 | biker | somiaj, yea found it :p |
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| 22:12.36 | biker | somiaj, thanks :) |
| 22:12.40 | karlpinc | biker: (You probably want to read the installation guide for more details.) |
| 22:12.53 | biker | karlpinc, okok thank you :) |
| 22:12.59 | Raydiation | hm the debian squeeze beta1 iso didnt work for me, installer said something about missing kernel module |
| 22:12.59 | somiaj | !tell Yudi_Wijaya about etch sources.list |
| 22:13.03 | somiaj | !tell Yudi_Wijaya about etch iso |
| 22:13.20 | somiaj | Raydiation: its testing -- I belive there is a list of known bugs you can look up for it |
| 22:13.42 | somiaj | biker: there is a difference between 'downloading' the whole of debian, and 'installing' it..(: |
| 22:13.43 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: archive.debian.org is where etch now lives, iirc. But there's no security support so you're on your own. |
| 22:13.55 | biker | somiaj, lol o :P |
| 22:14.17 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: FYI, on etch, there is error on installation.. i can not install use kernel Linux-image-2.6.18-5-686, 2.6-686. But ok after i choose 2.6-486. Right now on 5.0.6, i think by default it use 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:14.45 | karlpinc | biker: If you're on a network that's using lots of debian machines updating can be faster if you use something like apt-cacher. But that assumes one machine is already running debian. |
| 22:14.57 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: is there option to change the kernel version on debian installation |
| 22:15.01 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: oh yea, does the atom chipset not support 686 instructions? You may need to install a net-install cd which has the kernel that your computer can run |
| 22:15.13 | biker | oo okok karlpinc |
| 22:15.15 | biker | thanks |
| 22:15.17 | biker | =) |
| 22:15.22 | Yudi_Wijaya | somiaj: right now the PC hang... no signal on monitor.. don't know why, maybe too slow |
| 22:15.36 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: there are various net-installer cds with different kernels, and you can send the kernel options at boot |
| 22:16.12 | Yudi_Wijaya | i'm not sure which one.. [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 22:16.25 | Yudi_Wijaya | i download the i386 |
| 22:16.41 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: What are you really trying to do? Why would you install etch? |
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| 22:16.52 | Eric01 | is there a way to disable Mailer-Daemon? |
| 22:16.57 | Yudi_Wijaya | sorry i'm not too familiar with this, so sorry maybe my answer just like kids |
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| 22:17.25 | karlpinc | Eric01: You stop the daemon. Either use kill or /etc/init.d/exim4 stop. |
| 22:17.47 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: because on 5.0.6 i got problem, the boot up very slow, and right now my PC hang |
| 22:17.54 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: well I was hoping they had various version in the i386, but they don't. But it sounds like a kernel issue and you need a different kernel |
| 22:17.56 | Tr0gd0r | I already have debian installed. Can I somehow remove all the installed packages except the necessary ones? I want to have a minimal install without reinstalling debian. |
| 22:18.01 | Eric01 | i want to keep exim4 alive :) |
| 22:18.07 | Eric01 | just want to disable Mailer-Daemon |
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| 22:18.20 | karlpinc | Eric01: What does that mean? |
| 22:18.22 | Eric01 | not to send local errors as email. |
| 22:18.31 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: last day i install etch and there is no big problem, it can boot up into login text quite fast. |
| 22:18.32 | somiaj | Tr0gd0r: you can aptitude uninstall pkg the ones you think are extra, but there is no command to strip you back down to a base system |
| 22:18.35 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: You probably need an installer with a _newer_ kernel, not an older one. |
| 22:18.36 | Eric01 | all local errors by apache2 is sent via Mailer-Daemon@.... |
| 22:18.52 | Eric01 | or is there any option to blocklist Mailer-Daemon@@ ? |
| 22:18.53 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: I see. |
| 22:18.59 | Tr0gd0r | somiaj: Is there anyway to tell which ones are safe to uninstall? |
| 22:18.59 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: but i worry about sources.list, that's why i download 5.0.6, burn it on CD and try reinstall the system |
| 22:19.00 | somiaj | Yudi_Wijaya: if karlpinc is right on a newer kernel, try one of the new testing ones |
| 22:19.14 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 22:19.16 | somiaj | Tr0gd0r: experience -- debian will try to warn you on any of the bad ones |
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| 22:19.32 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: At what point did it hang? |
| 22:19.39 | Tr0gd0r | somiaj: Thanks |
| 22:20.14 | Yudi_Wijaya | On this line: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686, maybe it about 5-6 lines after grub |
| 22:20.15 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: The installer itself ran, but then when you rebooted it hung? |
| 22:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: We've been trying to tell you this has nothing to do with exim or standard apache. Niether one sends email error messages. |
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| 22:20.40 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: the installation process is completed |
| 22:20.42 | somiaj | Tr0gd0r: though only way to ensure a clean system is to backup / reinstall from stratch. though debians pacakge manager keeps things really clean for the most part. Also if you try to remove something and it starts to take a lot of stuff with it, really look over the list and try to get an undersatnding of what each package does |
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| 22:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: This is the result of something YOU have done, installed, or set up. |
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| 22:21.04 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: just problem when boot up, first grub loading takes about 10 minutes |
| 22:21.17 | Eric01 | hmmm ok thnx |
| 22:21.20 | HackeMate | i use zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sde to install the boot for a netbook install, but the partition is fat16 280mb |
| 22:21.26 | HackeMate | not enough for a debian iso i want |
| 22:21.28 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: That is really odd. You're saying it takes 10 minutes for the grub menu to show up? |
| 22:21.31 | HackeMate | cant i use fat32 at least? |
| 22:21.35 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: and then very slow on first 6 lines after grub, and not my PC got "No Signal" |
| 22:21.42 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: yes! |
| 22:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | Eric01: We can't tell you how to turn it off because we don't know how you turned it on. |
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| 22:21.59 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: no problem on Etch yesterday |
| 22:22.19 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: I suspect a bios issue.... I had something like this happen once.... |
| 22:22.22 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: FYI, on etch, there is error on installation.. i can not install use kernel Linux-image-2.6.18-5-686, 2.6-686. But ok after i choose 2.6-486. Right now on 5.0.6, i think by default it use 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:23.28 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: I seem to recall something in the bios about SATA and emulation. I would poke around the bios and see if there isn't an option to change something about the disk drives. |
| 22:23.29 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: i think, i will use etch again.. but i really worry about the sources, i just want to install vim, hylafax, and maybe apache (not necessary) |
| 22:24.03 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: the disk drive i use Compact Flash Transcend 133x 8GB |
| 22:24.25 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: this is the specification details: http://edccomp.com/product.php?id_product=175 |
| 22:24.32 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: You can use etch. You need an installer from archives.debian.org, and then probably need to mess around with the /etc/apt/sources.list file because it probably won't point to archive.debian.org. But running etch is a really bad idea on a system connected to the net. |
| 22:24.47 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: That's a nice CF card. |
| 22:25.36 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: it will not connected to the net, just for LAN |
| 22:25.47 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: But it's not a card thing, it's a bios thing. Can you change anything in the bios or update it? |
| 22:26.00 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: connected on net maybe just for download the hylafax and vim packages |
| 22:26.05 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: Ok. |
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| 22:26.39 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: i think not familiar with it, do you know how to choose kernel version on 5.0.6 installation? |
| 22:26.45 | Micheall | How can I see availible modes for fbset? |
| 22:26.57 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: maybe i will try the 2.6-484 version |
| 22:27.03 | Yudi_Wijaya | sorry 486 |
| 22:27.08 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: You can use the kmuto installer (see the bot output above.) |
| 22:27.25 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: ok, wat a secs |
| 22:27.58 | Micheall | I would like to make my text size smaller when using the framebuffer, I think i need to add a kernel line. But I would like to test some modes first. |
| 22:28.14 | Micheall | But I cannot remember the command to show abailible fb modes... |
| 22:28.19 | Micheall | Can anyone help me please? |
| 22:28.24 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: Try expert mode to see if it allows you to choose 686 or 486. Otherwise it will likely install whatever's current. (The kmuto installer has a newer kernel, and I think installs a newer kernel. That would fix the problem if there was a regression that was fixed. |
| 22:28.25 | Micheall | availible* |
| 22:28.33 | drhitl | I could really use some help troubleshooting getting a basic NFS setup working. I have two squeeze i386 boxes, base systems, newly installed today, and I'm trying to use box2 to NFS mount a dir on box1. The nfs-common package is installed on both. /etc/exports looks good to me on box1, nfs-common is started, the relevant kernel modules are loaded, and rpcinfo -p looks OK. However, showmount on box1 gives: "clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered". |
| 22:28.33 | drhitl | There is no /var/lib/nfs/etab file. |
| 22:28.33 | karlpinc | !tell Yudi_Wijaya about bdo |
| 22:28.44 | drhitl | box2 can freely ping box1, but I cannot get mount -t nfs or mount.nfs to work trying to mount against box1 . hosts.allow / .deny are empty, iptables never gets used (no rules in place) |
| 22:28.50 | Micheall | Please? |
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| 22:29.55 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: It is also possible that your hardware requires some non-free firmware, although it's not clear to me how it would boot at all then. See the installation guide for more details. |
| 22:29.58 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: so if still problem on lenny, and then maybe i must choose etch, where can i find available sources.list? archives.debian.org ? i prefer to install use apt-get command |
| 22:30.08 | Malmis | does someone know why i get this when i log in to a account... /bin/sh: Can't open /usr/bin/lesspipe also i get a lot of outputs "file busy" and stuff like that |
| 22:30.28 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: sources.list is something you edit to refer to archive.debian.org, which is where everything old is kept. |
| 22:30.39 | Malmis | i have had this problem for some months now i can't get rid of it with any upgrades :( |
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| 22:30.57 | karlpinc | !tell Yudi_Wijaya about why aptitude |
| 22:31.10 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: ok, so just replace the sources path on sources.list with archive.debian.org :) |
| 22:31.39 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: thanks a lot dude.. you help me a lot |
| 22:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | Malmis: What if you create a new user? |
| 22:31.41 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: Yup. Just replace the dns name of the archive host. |
| 22:32.02 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: I still think you should poke about the bios. |
| 22:32.10 | Malmis | jhutchins_lt it doesn't have anything to do with the user.. it's with root too.. |
| 22:32.43 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: no way.. i'm not sure can do it hehe |
| 22:32.55 | karlpinc | Yudi_Wijaya: (try typing in irc "/msg dpkg etch sources.list") |
| 22:33.06 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: cool, thanks |
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| 22:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | Malmis: The question remains - create a NEW user, does it still happen? |
| 22:34.32 | dashs | Is there a URL to the cddbcmd syntax? |
| 22:34.35 | Yudi_Wijaya | karlpinc: so thanks, i will install etch right now.. waste my time with lenny.. :P well, not on this PC this time, maybe on other PC will use Lenny next time |
| 22:35.25 | Malmis | jhutchins_lt or maybe it wasn't with root.. and no other user either.. hmm well maybe there is some problem with my user account then.. |
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| 22:36.01 | Malmis | but why is there problems with "file busy" and a lot of stuff when i try to restart services then? with root i.e. |
| 22:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | That's the point, is it your profile or is it system-wide. You can move/rename things like .bashrc and see if that changes anything, |
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| 22:36.27 | jhutchins_lt | Malmis: Maybe there's more than one problem. |
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| 22:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | Malmis: If a file is in use or locked it might cause a service not to restart. Have you done a fsck? |
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| 22:37.04 | Malmis | yes |
| 22:37.30 | lazzurs | Hello all, I am having a problem with using MD5 password hashes in a pam-ldap setup on Debian Lenny. Is this a known issue and is there a fix? I noticed while searching around a few others having the same problem |
| 22:37.38 | Malmis | i get /etc/init.d/samba: 119: /etc/init.d/samba: Text file busy |
| 22:37.43 | Malmis | when trying to restart samba |
| 22:38.33 | Malmis | maybe i need to try fsck again |
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| 22:39.16 | Donkeyy | Hi gentleman |
| 22:39.23 | Donkeyy | I need some advice |
| 22:40.16 | Donkeyy | I am looking for a linux OS that is targetted more for stability and speed |
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| 22:41.01 | Donkeyy | Is Debian more secure than Ubuntu? |
| 22:41.10 | helo | security, speed, and stability? |
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| 22:41.28 | helo | debian is probably more stable than ubuntu |
| 22:41.38 | helo | security is probably the same |
| 22:41.47 | dvs | Donkeyy: debian is definitely more stable |
| 22:41.59 | Donkeyy | ya thats what I have been hearing |
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| 22:42.22 | Donkeyy | dvs what about speed |
| 22:42.26 | whitewine | hello! is there anybody? |
| 22:42.27 | Donkeyy | compared to ubuntu |
| 22:42.31 | helo | ubuntu may be faster than debian if you are using high-core processors, assuming the newer ubuntu kernels utilize multiple cores better |
| 22:42.50 | Donkeyy | I got a 3.2 HT |
| 22:42.52 | dvs | Donkeyy: dunno. not really important to me |
| 22:42.54 | helo | for most things, it will be the same speed |
| 22:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | Donkeyy: Where ubuntu releases on a regular schedule no matter how broken things are, Debian only releases when it meets the release quality criteria. |
| 22:43.01 | SPF | stability depends on many things |
| 22:43.23 | Donkeyy | SPF: I mean by default |
| 22:43.24 | whitewine | Please, help! Rule: "iptables -A FORWARD -d somesite.com -j DROP" doesn't work! :( Why? |
| 22:43.32 | Donkeyy | which one is faster and more secure and stable |
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| 22:44.01 | jhutchins_lt | Both Ubuntu and Debian use the Linux kernel - different versions, different patches, but very much the same. |
| 22:44.35 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/rA58YruT - the netinstall says can't find the .iso file, what can i do? |
| 22:44.41 | whitewine | I can load that somesite.com anyway... I can't make it forbiden |
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| 22:45.15 | helo | Donkeyy: the only clear category is stability, and debian is likely to be more stable |
| 22:45.20 | whitewine | smb. pls. help =) |
| 22:45.27 | Belthazor | whitewine, you may have a matching accept rule before that |
| 22:45.32 | Donkeyy | helo: I see |
| 22:46.04 | whitewine | Belthazor, how? ) |
| 22:46.18 | Donkeyy | is it posible to put debian and linux on the same HD with different partitions |
| 22:46.23 | helo | it is only more stable if you happen to be using apps in ubuntu that happen to be unstable... most parts of ubuntu work well |
| 22:46.28 | Donkeyy | For example I have a 80 gb HD |
| 22:46.38 | Donkeyy | I want 70GB for windows and 10 for debian |
| 22:46.43 | Belthazor | whitewine, for example your first rule is iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT :) |
| 22:47.03 | Belthazor | or something like that |
| 22:47.08 | helo | it will be a little cramped to split the 10GB into ubuntu and debian, but it should be enough space if you aren't installing a ton of GUI packages |
| 22:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | Donkeyy: That's how it's usually done. Most people will add a swap file of up to 2xRAM. |
| 22:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | Donkeyy: Swap partition that is. |
| 22:47.52 | Donkeyy | jhutchins_lt: I see |
| 22:48.05 | Donkeyy | 10gb is not enough for debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:48.30 | whitewine | Belthazor, rules work... I mean I can see'em by 'iptables -L' |
| 22:48.48 | helo | 10GB should be plenty for either |
| 22:48.57 | dvs | Donkeyy: but not both |
| 22:49.04 | Donkeyy | helo: ok |
| 22:49.05 | dvs | at the same time |
| 22:49.16 | Donkeyy | but here is my biggest concern |
| 22:49.22 | Belthazor | whitewine, try -I instead of -A |
| 22:49.36 | Donkeyy | If one has both windows and linux on the same HD with different partitons |
| 22:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | Donkeyy: 10G is plenty |
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| 22:49.48 | Donkeyy | can windows viruses or spyware attack the linux? |
| 22:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | 6G is enough. |
| 22:50.03 | helo | Donkeyy: it is theoretically possible, but unlikely |
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| 22:50.21 | helo | generally speaking, you won't have problems like that :) |
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| 22:50.43 | Donkeyy | because if they are on different partitions |
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| 22:50.53 | Donkeyy | then it really should not |
| 22:50.54 | Belthazor | whitewine, anyway putting hostnames into iptables rules may not the best idea |
| 22:51.48 | whitewine | Belthazor, I did it! The follow work just fine: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -d www.SITENAME.ru -j DROP |
| 22:51.55 | helo | the virus writers would have to waste a lot of effort trying to detect a linux installation on one of your hard drives, and there just aren't that many people with linux installations to make it worthwhile |
| 22:52.19 | Donkeyy | helo: I see what you mean |
| 22:52.32 | Belthazor | whitewine, are you trying to filter outgoing traffic from your own computer? |
| 22:52.34 | helo | probably less likely for a windows virus to mess with linux than it is to get a linux virus, and i've never heard of the latter |
| 22:53.02 | Donkeyy | Ya linux is not that straight forward to get viruses right? |
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| 22:53.12 | Donkeyy | its different tech to windows |
| 22:53.17 | toolbear | hi. how do you get rid of warnings like "This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info"? |
| 22:53.18 | whitewine | Belthazor, yeah, it's like "children conrol" :) |
| 22:53.58 | Belthazor | whitewine, okay, then FORWARD chain is not for you. It filters forwarded packets. |
| 22:54.04 | Donkeyy | ok, I have a external hd I need to backup information from xp pc before I format the drive for linux |
| 22:54.17 | Donkeyy | how do I format this external HD |
| 22:54.28 | Malmis | jhutchins_lt seems like the disk have a lot of bad sectors.. but i can't even get debian to force a fsck on bootup... not even with shutdown -rF now or touch /forcefsck |
| 22:55.12 | dvs | Donkeyy: format from Windows? |
| 22:55.14 | helo | Donkeyy: the default formatting should be OK, linux will be able to read it if windows can |
| 22:55.30 | Donkeyy | thats the thing |
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| 22:55.34 | Donkeyy | I had installed ubuntu on it |
| 22:55.45 | Donkeyy | on the external which was a nightmare |
| 22:55.52 | Donkeyy | constant grub errors |
| 22:56.09 | Donkeyy | so I dont bother anymore Ill just put possible debian on the main HD |
| 22:56.18 | helo | you should just be able to right-click the drive letter and go to format or something, otherwise ask in #windows |
| 22:56.41 | Donkeyy | helo: it currently has linux on it |
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| 22:57.15 | helo | i thought you wanted to format it so that you could use it in windows to back up your files |
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| 22:57.25 | Donkeyy | yes I do |
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| 22:57.35 | Donkeyy | I want to delete the current linux distro on the external |
| 22:57.46 | Donkeyy | oh wait your right |
| 22:57.53 | Donkeyy | I should be in windows for this |
| 22:57.57 | Donkeyy | windows |
| 22:57.58 | dvs | yes!!! |
| 22:58.01 | Donkeyy | #windows |
| 22:58.15 | Donkeyy | srry dvs |
| 22:59.09 | Donkeyy | Thank you guys, I might be back for installing debian.... is there a livecd I can test debian |
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| 23:00.12 | ppradhan | Donkeyy: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 23:00.45 | Donkeyy | ppradhan: which one do I clikc |
| 23:00.46 | Donkeyy | the installer? |
| 23:01.11 | ppradhan | Donkeyy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-cd/debian-live-506-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso for 64 bit |
| 23:01.30 | Donkeyy | ppradhan: I think I need a 32bit |
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| 23:01.46 | Donkeyy | Its a 3.2ghz HT P4 |
| 23:01.47 | ppradhan | Donkeyy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-506-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 23:02.42 | Donkeyy | hey thanks ppradhan |
| 23:02.44 | Donkeyy | :) |
| 23:02.53 | ppradhan | Donkeyy: np |
| 23:02.58 | Donkeyy | Ok guys take care |
| 23:03.10 | Donkeyy | thanks for the tips |
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| 23:04.50 | drhitl | OK, solved my NFS problem. The wording of the package description for nfs-common was misleading to me. I didn't realize I needed to explicitly install nfs-kernel-server. Now that I've done it, it all works as expected. |
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| 23:17.33 | TwoTwenty | how can I remove evolution and network manager without removing gnome ? |
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| 23:18.27 | dvs | TwoTwenty: gnome is only a meta package. You won't remove all of gnome. |
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| 23:19.28 | TwoTwenty | dvs, when I aptitude purge evolution it takes alot of deps with it |
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| 23:20.03 | TwoTwenty | dvs, http://pastebin.com/M2gUrWRj |
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| 23:20.24 | qq- | !unmarkauto |
| 23:20.25 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 23:20.53 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Sometimes aptitude gets over enthusiastic about cleaning up. |
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| 23:21.35 | TwoTwenty | dpkg, dvs: I understand this, would just be nice to take out certain packages.. this was the gnome desktop install from CD |
| 23:21.35 | dpkg | TwoTwenty: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 23:21.49 | dvs | good for aptitude. ;-) |
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| 23:22.19 | TwoTwenty | mine is more a suggestion |
| 23:22.25 | TwoTwenty | and Im sure it will come with some pain |
| 23:22.39 | dvs | TwoTwenty: so, unmarkauto gnome and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:25.14 | TwoTwenty | dvs, unmark auto, its not showing up as a automatically installed package, or can I mark all its meta packages aithout auto? |
| 23:25.19 | TwoTwenty | somehow ? |
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| 23:26.08 | Munsta | i have a problem |
| 23:26.32 | dvs | TwoTwenty: i'm not sure how to do that |
| 23:26.45 | Munsta | everytime i do "sudo apt-get install <package>" i get this: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:26.45 | Munsta | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.45 | Munsta | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:27.17 | Munsta | how do i fix it? |
| 23:28.33 | TwoTwenty | dpkg, unparseable request? |
| 23:28.34 | dpkg | TwoTwenty: i haven't a clue |
| 23:29.00 | dvs | !who are you |
| 23:29.00 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 23:29.30 | TwoTwenty | dpkg, I would like to remove evolution, without it taking half my system with it, or having a unclean apt-cache |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | You are person #3 to send an unparseable request, TwoTwenty |
| 23:29.37 | abrotman | TwoTwenty: stop talking ot the bot |
| 23:29.48 | TwoTwenty | lol |
| 23:29.50 | TwoTwenty | hahaha |
| 23:29.55 | TwoTwenty | oh thats what it is |
| 23:30.04 | TwoTwenty | and I thought he was insulting me |
| 23:30.32 | TwoTwenty | abrotman, thats funny stuff, Im a IRC novicee can you tell |
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| 23:31.36 | Guest79370 | Hi. Is there any software that protects a webserver from spambots? Like, it recognizes patterns (many http requests in short time, etc.) and then blocks the ip of the bot? |
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| 23:31.40 | scx | hello |
| 23:31.52 | TwoTwenty | is there a way I can mark all the packages within a metapackage without auto |
| 23:32.13 | scx | before i can up interface, i have to do something |
| 23:32.15 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: are you a bot |
| 23:32.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 23:32.24 | scx | i wrote pre-up script |
| 23:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | Guest79370: That would probably prevent google or any of the other search engines from indexing your site. |
| 23:32.31 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: I would not abuse you |
| 23:32.31 | dpkg | TwoTwenty: I give up, what is it? |
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| 23:32.39 | scx | but if up i should sets some parametrs |
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| 23:32.47 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: its love dude |
| 23:32.48 | dpkg | TwoTwenty: are you using Windows? |
| 23:32.59 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: windows sucks |
| 23:32.59 | dpkg | This is #Debian, sucks, not #bungholes! |
| 23:33.03 | Munsta | can someone help me with my problem? |
| 23:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | TwoTwenty: Please stop. |
| 23:33.17 | scx | is "post-up" still supported by /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:33.27 | TwoTwenty | sry I couldnt help my self |
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| 23:35.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Munsta: where is that package from? |
| 23:36.09 | Munsta | what do u mean? |
| 23:36.16 | TwoTwenty | is there a way I can unmarkauto all the packages within gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 23:36.35 | TwoTwenty | a quick way that is |
| 23:36.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell Munsta about u |
| 23:36.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Munsta: uw-imapd - is it a debian package? if it is file a bug to report the error |
| 23:37.12 | Munsta | yea, uw-imapd is a debian package |
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| 23:37.49 | Munsta | Kamping_Ka: this is what exactly happens when i use "sudo apt-get install <package name>" http://pastebin.com/9kWjNMer |
| 23:38.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you have another install running ? |
| 23:39.09 | Munsta | i dont know |
| 23:39.11 | Munsta | how do i find out? |
| 23:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | Munsta: Read the error messaage. Think about what it says. Is there another process that could be using that file? If not, have you checked the disk? |
| 23:39.58 | TwoTwenty | kamping_kaiser: your a hero ! |
| 23:40.02 | TwoTwenty | ;) |
| 23:40.14 | Munsta | well it says this: root 28803 f.... frontend |
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| 23:40.40 | Munsta | because i used to fuser command |
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| 23:45.48 | Munsta | Kamping_Ka: is that the install process? |
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| 23:50.41 | Yudi_Wijaya | which one newer? linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 or linux-image-2.6-486 ? |
| 23:50.51 | Yudi_Wijaya | or which one stable? |
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| 23:51.26 | dvs | Yudi_Wijaya: linux-image-2.6-486 will always be the newest |
| 23:51.34 | Yudi_Wijaya | thanks! :) |
| 23:51.50 | dvs | np |
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| 23:52.05 | scx | Yudi_Wijaya: linux-image-2.6-486 should be metapackage and should be newest |
| 23:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 23:52.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | Yudi_Wijaya: The shorter one is just a general package that will pull in whatever version is latest. |
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| 23:53.09 | scx | Yudi_Wijaya: type: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 23:53.22 | Munsta | ey, this problem i have wont let me install ANYTHING... |
| 23:53.27 | Munsta | it keeps going back to uw-imapd |
| 23:53.45 | scx | | egrep "(Depends|Provides)" |
| 23:54.57 | abrotman | scx: apt-cache depends foo ? |
| 23:55.44 | scx | abrotman: maybe ;p |
| 23:57.00 | qq- | Munsta, try a reboot .. |
| 23:57.10 | Munsta | but its a web sever |
| 23:57.13 | Munsta | *server |
| 23:57.50 | Munsta | would a reboot really make the difference though? |
| 23:58.18 | qq- | try kill the process who block installer |
| 23:58.42 | Munsta | and how do i find out what process that is? |
| 23:59.03 | qq- | ps aux | grep something |
| 23:59.23 | Munsta | -.- |
