| 00:00.12 | Munsta | so then rebooting would automatically kill those processes |
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| 00:00.13 | Munsta | right? |
| 00:00.34 | dvs | they'll still live! ;-) |
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| 00:04.54 | SaMuRai | Welcom to >>>> http://salon-rhone-alpes.skyrock.com/ <<<< ;) |
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| 00:22.12 | h725 | hello, is there a specific channel when it comes to iptables on debian or is this one as good any other? |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | well, you can try here, but there is a #netfilter |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | isn't much special about iptables on debian |
| 00:23.37 | ewook | is it any? |
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| 00:24.06 | h725 | I think yes :-) |
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| 00:24.21 | h725 | let me pastebin my iptables-save output |
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| 00:25.20 | h725 | http://pastebin.com/0a2AC1h4 |
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| 00:26.07 | h725 | so the first rule in INPUT should allow anything on tcp port 8080, whereas everything else gets forwarded to the teams chain which just DROPs everything... right? |
| 00:26.28 | karsten-nr | I'm using alien to create a deb from an RPM (Dell support software if you're wondering). alien says it created the deb --- but it's not there. |
| 00:26.33 | h725 | thus, i should still be able to connect to a web-server running on 8080 |
| 00:27.20 | karsten-nr | ... and I can't find the --stop-lying-about-creating-the-package-when-you-really-didnt flag. I did run w/ verbose though. |
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| 00:28.17 | karsten-nr | capturing logfile now, can pastebin: fakeroot alien -Tdv SMruntime.rpm 1>alien-SMruntime.rpm.log 2>&1 |
| 00:29.10 | Hanibal | Hi, I try to 'locate php*ini', but dont get any results. 'locate php.ini' gives me results. man locate says "Patterns can contain shell-stylemetacharacters: `*', `?', and `[]'." so what's wrong with my locate pattern??? |
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| 00:29.57 | abrotman | Hanibal: /etc/php5/ is probably a good start |
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| 00:33.15 | Hanibal | abrotman, true |
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| 00:33.30 | Hanibal | abrotman, didn't know that locate searches only in current directory when using patterns |
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| 00:36.49 | h725 | ewook: the reason why I'm asking for iptables on debian, is that it works on ubuntu as expected :-) |
| 00:36.57 | h725 | not on debian though |
| 00:37.56 | ewook | h725: what is it thats not working as it should? |
| 00:38.19 | h725 | ewook: did you see my pastebin? http://pastebin.com/0a2AC1h4 (3lines) |
| 00:38.36 | ewook | h725: no did not, will look now :P |
| 00:39.06 | h725 | so my assumption is that the first rule in the INPUT chain allows all incomming connections to tcp:8080 |
| 00:39.26 | h725 | whereas everything else is forwarded to the user-chain teams and DROPped there |
| 00:39.46 | marsfligth | Please, what program to play karaoke? (*.kar) |
| 00:39.46 | h725 | however, I cannot connect to 8080 on that machine |
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| 00:40.23 | abrotman | marsfligth: apt-cache search karaoke ? |
| 00:40.55 | ewook | h725: oh.. you're using the save feat. never used that one :D |
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| 00:41.06 | karsten-nr | marsfligth: There are karaoke plugins for several of the music players. |
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| 00:41.23 | h725 | ewook: only to display all the rules at once ;-) |
| 00:41.23 | karsten-nr | marsfligth: xmms (though I don't think that's in Debian anymore), probably rhythmbox and amarok. |
| 00:41.25 | rafuch0 | vtts: are you here? |
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| 00:42.07 | ivarsv | does anybody now whether there is a bug with cmake/cpack (2.8.2) when generating deb packages. whatever I put in CPACK_DEBIAN_PACKAGE_MAINTAINER it still complains that is not set? |
| 00:42.13 | marsfligth | karsten-nr: Thanks |
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| 00:42.31 | enth | I run 'Xfbdev -screen 240x320 -dumb and it screws up the screen, it becomes all stretched and garbled and it has a white strip on the left side. |
| 00:42.38 | enth | if I use other options, it says "Could not activate core devices" |
| 00:42.39 | ewook | h725: what iptables versions is it? |
| 00:43.00 | enth | does anyone have experience with Xfbdev? |
| 00:43.01 | h725 | iptables v1.4.6: |
| 00:43.05 | h725 | i'm running squeeze |
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| 00:48.30 | h725 | hm apparently I stand corrected... it does not work on ubuntu either ... but i wonder why (shouldn't it do what I explained?) |
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| 00:50.22 | username17 | Hi all. First time debian user, but not first time linux user (although it's been a while). I'm working on securing my ports, but are services like nfs, sunrpc, and portmapper safe to keep running? |
| 00:50.55 | username17 | Followed a few guides on securing debian after install, but I'm not sure if these things need to be running. I'd like to kill any services I don't need as I'm only on a cyrix c3 machine. |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | you can remove them if oy udn't use them |
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| 00:53.51 | username17 | One thing I usually do to confirm security is nmap myself. But I can't seem to install the package. Checked Sources.list, commented out CD and uncommented deb and deb-src |
| 00:54.14 | username17 | but I'm getting no installation cantidate. I was able to find the package on the debian package site |
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| 00:55.55 | dvs | username17: apt-cache policy nmap |
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| 00:56.28 | username17 | installed: none, cantidate: none, version table: none |
| 00:58.08 | dvs | username17: what does sources.list say? |
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| 00:58.52 | username17 | the only 2 lines uncommented are deb and deb-src. deb, for example: 'deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main' |
| 00:59.09 | scx | i want to check in my script if network interface exist |
| 00:59.19 | scx | if [ -x `/sbin/ifconfig ath0 | grep "Device not found"` ]; then |
| 00:59.32 | scx | how to hide error message? |
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| 00:59.59 | dvs | username17: you need more that security |
| 01:00.14 | dvs | than |
| 01:00.39 | username17 | volatile was down below. Uncomment that? |
| 01:00.39 | rafuch0 | is this a valid raid 10 install ? |
| 01:00.41 | rafuch0 | http://kromey.us/2009/08/raid-10-with-mdadm-65.html |
| 01:00.41 | amphi | scx: redirect the output to /dev/null and use the exit value |
| 01:00.57 | amphi | scx: if it's non-zero, it failed |
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| 01:01.14 | scx | how to use exit value? |
| 01:01.32 | dvs | username17: no |
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| 01:02.38 | rafuch0 | i dont uderstand why create a partion on the md0 .... he just want the raid 10 to work on that folder or mount point.... the sense of the thinjg is backup the whole system isn' it? |
| 01:03.28 | rafuch0 | but he had the system install on other hardrive |
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| 01:03.56 | abrotman | scx: man bash .. $? IIRC |
| 01:04.26 | rafuch0 | maybe is not a bad idea i mean .... the system on one hardrive and the whole buch of data that you want to read super fast and have it mirror it in other set of hardrives |
| 01:04.28 | rafuch0 | ? |
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| 01:06.17 | rafuch0 | what do you guys think... http://kromey.us/2009/08/raid-10-with-mdadm-65.html |
| 01:06.19 | username17 | dvs, do you know what else I need in sources.list? It's a fresh install, just downloaded the ISO today. |
| 01:06.50 | dvs | i can't see your sources.list from here |
| 01:07.05 | username17 | I listed the only two I had |
| 01:07.18 | amphi | scx: eh? you mean how to access it? run the command, and its exit value is stored in $? |
| 01:07.19 | username17 | security for deb and deb-src |
| 01:07.32 | dvs | username17: no other commented out lines? |
| 01:07.44 | username17 | yes, deb and deb-src on volatile |
| 01:07.59 | username17 | and that's it |
| 01:08.22 | pixie | http://www.tu.no/miljo/article267954.ece |
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| 01:08.24 | pixie | wops |
| 01:08.29 | pixie | unintended |
| 01:08.54 | dvs | username17: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 01:11.42 | username17 | that did it. I wonder why it wasn't in there from the beginning. |
| 01:12.17 | dvs | that is weird |
| 01:12.49 | username17 | I have a feeling it was because I wasn't online when installing. sources.list said it was commenting everyhing out because it couldn't be confirmed |
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| 01:23.33 | enthdegree | Does anyone have experience with Xfbdev? |
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| 01:28.39 | Tekk_ | I need a way to connect to wifi while in a terminal, wicd doesn't work for me though, anyone have ideas? |
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| 01:28.51 | dvs | Tekk_: wicd? |
| 01:29.21 | dvs | or network-manager |
| 01:29.28 | enthdegree | Tekk_: iwconfig devicename essid networkname key wepkey |
| 01:30.09 | Tekk_ | enthdegree: can never get iwconfig to work |
| 01:30.15 | enthdegree | what does it say? |
| 01:30.23 | Tekk_ | dvs: wicd I can't get to work, never tried network-manager from cli |
| 01:30.30 | Tekk_ | enthdegree: it doesn't it just doesn't connect |
| 01:30.36 | Tekk_ | and yes I ran dhclient afterwards |
| 01:30.47 | enthdegree | drat, you had me in mid-sentence (; |
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| 01:31.24 | enthdegree | FWIW, you have to use wpa_supplicant for WPA/WPA2 |
| 01:31.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | you stillhavent told us anything to help you debug it |
| 01:31.59 | Tekk_ | uhh, open network, using a broadcom wireless card with openfwwf, nm-applet and knetworkmanager work fine |
| 01:32.00 | Tekk_ | and hi Kamping_Kaiser |
| 01:32.01 | qwd | Tekk_: wicd-curses? |
| 01:32.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tekk_: hey mate |
| 01:32.26 | Tekk_ | qwd: gets stuck on getting IP address in the animation thing, displaying None as the essid |
| 01:32.35 | Tekk_ | well, not stuck, it just never connects |
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| 01:49.24 | Anthro | I'm trying to set up netatalk to serve files to my wife's Mac, but it looks like afppasswd isn't part of the netatalk package. The package changelog page seems to indicate some GPL/OpenSSL issue, but it's very old. Can anyone shed some light? |
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| 01:50.24 | jordanm | ,file afpasswd |
| 01:50.27 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 01:50.36 | jordanm | ,file afppasswd |
| 01:50.39 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 01:51.00 | jordanm | Anthro: MACs support SMB too... |
| 01:51.00 | rafuch0 | how can i make spares disk part of the array whit mdadm i i use mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd5 it says resource busy |
| 01:51.01 | rafuch0 | ? |
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| 01:51.31 | Anthro | jordanm: Yeah, but I don't think I can use Time Machine with SMB. |
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| 01:55.35 | username17 | grrrreat! My root password just stopped working. >< |
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| 01:56.44 | Anthro | Okay, looks like I have to build netatalk with ss myself. That's fine, but... why can't I apt-get build-dep netatalk? I get "E: Build-dependencies for netatalk could not be satisfied." |
| 01:57.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: run apt-get update? |
| 01:57.41 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: Just did. |
| 01:57.46 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: No help. |
| 01:58.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: you on lenny or squeeze? |
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| 01:58.30 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: 99% stable, with one or two packages from testing/unstable. Not sure of names anymore. |
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| 01:59.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 01:59.18 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: one sec... |
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| 02:00.19 | dvs | Anthro: you need a deb-src entry |
| 02:00.35 | username17 | I had a problem earlier with apt-get because my sources.list was missing something. And I'm on a fresh install. |
| 02:00.39 | username17 | Might need to add a line |
| 02:01.28 | Anthro | dvs: I have one. apt-get source netatalk worked just fine. |
| 02:01.32 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/m3Y6jgin |
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| 02:02.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow, hope you'e got that pinned correctly :/ |
| 02:02.58 | dvs | Anthro: apt-cache policy netatalk |
| 02:03.11 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: I do :-) |
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| 02:04.00 | Anthro | dvs: http://pastebin.com/mqMXZjsH |
| 02:05.04 | dvs | Anthro: you don't have a deb-src line for testing |
| 02:05.25 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: Much of the trick for proper pinning is in apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 02:05.25 | allmo | pdiff? |
| 02:05.35 | Anthro | dvs: Correct. I want the version from stable. |
| 02:06.24 | dvs | Anthro: apt-get -t stable build-dep netatalk ? |
| 02:07.14 | Anthro | dvs: Same error. I wish it would give me a list of conflicts or what it can't find or whatever. Is there a way to get more info out of apt-get? |
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| 02:07.32 | shalok | #kde |
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| 02:10.51 | stack | hi, how does debian squeeze handle hibernate ? (what default method, program) |
| 02:11.10 | stack | *handles hibernation |
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| 02:12.48 | amphi | stack: the simplest is 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' |
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| 02:26.13 | histo | what are Standard system utilites in the installer software selection? |
| 02:26.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I have a debian 64-bit server that I need to backup to a secondary drive, I'd like to have it setup so I do not have to reinstall the software, possibly back it up to image files on the secondary hard drive, unless there is a way to have backups done that will allow me to just restore from the backup and be up and running like Acronis True Image allows. I would like something that can do this on a scheduel and it should have a GUI for thi |
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| 02:30.15 | histo | rsync |
| 02:30.23 | histo | THE_GFR|WORK: and find a gui for rsync |
| 02:31.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | histo: can that do multiple image files and do schedualed backups? |
| 02:31.15 | histo | THE_GFR|WORK: rsync has many options. I'm sure there are other solutions as well. |
| 02:31.28 | histo | THE_GFR|WORK: you can add a cron job for rsync. And it will copy the differences |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | rdiff-backup perhaps |
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| 02:32.35 | histo | THE_GFR|WORK: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/rsync.htm |
| 02:32.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | histo: well I need something with a GUI and was looking for something that worked the same way as Acronis Tru Image except on linux |
| 02:32.39 | Anthro | THE_GFR|WORK: If you have disk space to waste and good disk bandwidth, you can run everything on LVM, take an LVM snapshot periodically and copy the entire logical volume from the snapshot. |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | it's a server .. wtf does it need a GUI for ? |
| 02:33.24 | histo | THE_GFR|WORK: The make frontends for rsync |
| 02:33.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | abrotman: it does not matter why it needs a GUI, it needs a GUI and thats all. |
| 02:33.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | Anthro: yea I have it nativly installed |
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| 02:40.34 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: No idea why build-dep was having a problem. I ran debian/rules over and over, installing missing things until I got it working. All is well now. |
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| 02:41.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: incase you don't know about it, there isa dpkg-checkbuilddeps too :) |
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| 02:42.33 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: Interesting. No, I was not aware of it. |
| 02:43.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: well, hope it helps next time :) |
| 02:43.32 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: Let's hope I can remembrr it. |
| 02:43.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Anthro: there are a fair few handy dpkg-* commands |
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| 02:44.27 | Anthro | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I always forget about them. I usually think at the apt-get level and forget the level below. |
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| 02:47.49 | Mr_Queue | boy I screwed up nice this time.. /etc permissions are jacked. |
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| 02:48.15 | Mr_Queue | I don't think there's an easy fix for this.. anyone been down that road? |
| 02:48.16 | shalok | Is there a program that will allow me to select an X window by clicking on it and then change it's title? Like xkill I suppose except instead of killing it changes the title. |
| 02:51.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mr_Queue: restore from backups... |
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| 02:53.47 | delarge | hi |
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| 02:57.09 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: That's the plan at the moment. But I'm rather far away from them at the moment. I was slightly leaning on a clean install and moving up to Squeeze. But I would prefer staying with stable. |
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| 03:02.16 | histo | okay just installed debian base system but sudo wasn't isntalled. So i su to root and intalled it. Now my user isn't in sudoers how do I add them? |
| 03:02.39 | k[t | try modifying the /etc/sudoers file as root |
| 03:03.17 | k[t | i'm sure examples exist within the pre-existing file -- and refer do documentation for further configuration parameters |
| 03:03.36 | histo | Isn't debians default to use sudo? |
| 03:03.40 | k[t | s/do/to/ |
| 03:03.52 | peterrooney | histo: don't do that. use visudo |
| 03:04.11 | k[t | i'm not quite sure what you mean.. |
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| 03:04.40 | histo | I thought debian defaulted to using sudo and an admin user |
| 03:04.41 | peterrooney | !visudo |
| 03:04.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
| 03:04.48 | peterrooney | histo: nope |
| 03:04.57 | k[t | peterrooney: and why is it bad changing modes of the file and remoding it? |
| 03:05.09 | histo | peterrooney: hrm... been in ubuntu for too long |
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| 03:05.27 | k[t | uhoh.. |
| 03:05.41 | k[t | slowly walks away... **run |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | histo: you have to configure sudo .. Debian doesn't install sudo by default |
| 03:07.09 | k[t | shouts and cheers "abrotman" |
| 03:07.13 | histo | Yeah I just added user to sudo group |
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| 03:09.57 | chrissbx | Hello. Is there a nice way to switch between internal and external monitor with Xorg and intel drivers? |
| 03:10.11 | chrissbx | The gnome monitor tool is both clumsy, and buggy |
| 03:10.19 | histo | chrissbx: xrandr maybe? |
| 03:10.54 | chrissbx | Thanks, I wasn't aware that there was a commandline tool for xrandr. |
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| 03:12.04 | chrissbx | I also wonder what program runs when I hit the monitor switch of the laptop (fn-f4); it just flickers for a split second and does nothing else. |
| 03:12.29 | abrotman | chrissbx: that's your hardware, not a program |
| 03:13.07 | chrissbx | Hm but there still has to be some mapping from the key to the handling? |
| 03:13.24 | abrotman | no |
| 03:13.26 | chrissbx | Because actually in an older laptop I provided my own program. |
| 03:13.45 | chrissbx | (Yeah, then sorry for asking if I "know how to do it", or at least knew in the past) |
| 03:14.12 | histo | abrotman: I thought that was handled by the kernel |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | when your laptop turns on .. enter the BIOS .. then hit the key .. see what happens |
| 03:14.59 | histo | abrotman: true |
| 03:15.12 | histo | Is there a sound system installed by default? |
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| 03:18.41 | chrissbx | I've checked now. On the old laptop fn-f7 is being used (factory-provided key marking is there, too, thinkpad), and I bound my custom switch tool to that key using metacity. |
| 03:19.09 | abrotman | you can do it with xrandr as well, but i'm pretty sure the BIOS keys can do it also |
| 03:19.38 | chrissbx | Well, as I said it just flickers the screen, and doesn't actually switch. |
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| 03:19.57 | chrissbx | While Linux is running, that is. |
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| 03:20.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | speaking of unction keys, i should file some bugs on squeeze |
| 03:21.00 | smv | histo, if by default you mean gnome, then you also get alsa. am not sure if is alsa too with other DEs |
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| 03:22.31 | chrissbx | (To be clear: On the thinkpad, I run commercial nvidia, which required switching using the nvidia-settings tool, so I wrote a script around that to not have to start the gui tool; now on the 'new' laptop, with intel, fn-f4 just flickers and the gnome monitor tool is buggy.) |
| 03:23.11 | chrissbx | googling for a nicer guide to xrandr than the man page |
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| 03:23.57 | histo | smv: installed lxde not sure if I have sound |
| 03:24.33 | histo | nah linux-sound-base wasn't installed |
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| 03:26.26 | Darkstar | ls |
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| 03:36.02 | tpocra | I can no longer click, hold, and drag with the trackpad on my Thinkpad |
| 03:36.10 | tpocra | so no highlighting text |
| 03:36.13 | tpocra | or moving windows |
| 03:36.21 | tpocra | or anyting involving clicking, holding, and dragging |
| 03:36.26 | tpocra | I have to use the nipple mouse |
| 03:36.32 | tpocra | I think this is a software error |
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| 03:49.49 | karlpinc | tpocra: You could check the logs. |
| 03:50.20 | tpocra | karlpinc: Logs for what? |
| 03:50.55 | abrotman | tpocra: gsynaptics might be able to change the behaviour |
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| 03:51.34 | greiser | what's up |
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| 03:55.42 | taroven | Anyone aware of a way to lock a device's volume in Pulseaudio/ALSA? Getting a bit tired of overdrive and volume getting set to random values when switching users. |
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| 04:01.33 | iluminator101 | i removed some startup links in rc5.d but they still startup on reboot, whats the default runlevel for debian? |
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| 04:02.10 | iluminator101 | debian squeeze desktop |
| 04:03.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | iluminator101: 2. check /etc/inittab |
| 04:03.55 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.19 | tpocra | So my Thinkpad has two sets of mouse buttons, one above and one below the trackpad. |
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| 04:04.50 | tpocra | With gpointing-device-settings I am able to ENABLE locked scrolling/dragging with the bottom set because they are part of the trackpad |
| 04:05.01 | tpocra | but the mouse buttons ABOVE the trackpad remain impossible to click + drag with |
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| 04:05.16 | tpocra | This did not used to be the case. Some software update destroyed this feature. |
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| 04:06.13 | iluminator101 | why is there a K infront of the services? |
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| 04:07.04 | iluminator101 | isnt S the normal? |
| 04:07.15 | peterrooney | iluminator101: how many services do you want running in single-user mode again? |
| 04:07.48 | iluminator101 | only 3 |
| 04:08.11 | iluminator101 | rest is start with K?? |
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| 04:08.49 | peterrooney | iluminator101: the default runlevel (found in /etc/inittab) is 2 for debian systems |
| 04:09.43 | iluminator101 | permission to pm peterrooney |
| 04:13.15 | iluminator101 | what is this killprocs? |
| 04:13.27 | peterrooney | iluminator101: take a look at the README files in those directories |
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| 04:13.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | iluminator101: you should go and do some reading befor eyou start breaking the init system |
| 04:14.11 | iluminator101 | agreed...where do i start |
| 04:14.57 | peterrooney | iluminator101: start by taking a look at the README files in those directories |
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| 04:22.58 | chrissbx | xrandr works perfectly for the monitor switching, thanks again. (I'm too lazy to check whether changing the keybindings works as well right now tho) |
| 04:24.01 | iluminator101 | wow...this is the first time I read a README...lol |
| 04:24.29 | chrissbx | Oh nooo. Now that broken gnome or device daemon whatever stuff is breaking it again. |
| 04:25.17 | chrissbx | It just takes a couple minutes, then some process is toggling on mirroring of internal and external monitors, |
| 04:25.28 | chrissbx | of course breaking resolution on the external. |
| 04:25.39 | username17 | I'm trying to stop my SunRPC service. My googling says to find and turn off portmap which will kill all RPCs. That right? |
| 04:25.59 | chrissbx | And *ironically*, as if this wasn't borken enough already, this daemon stuff only happens when the laptop lid is closed! |
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| 04:26.41 | chrissbx | As if then there was some reason to switch it on... (I guess that daemon detects that only 1 monitor is active (the external), decides that 1 resolution is enough, then somehow |
| 04:27.02 | chrissbx | erroneously thinks this is mirror mode, and takes the internal resolution? Whatever. Fail) |
| 04:27.37 | chrissbx | This is testing, btw. |
| 04:28.19 | peterrooney | username17: sounds like a good plan. I use the service audit script snippet in the harden (or is it harden-doc?) package |
| 04:29.00 | username17 | I found the portmapper script, would 'chmod -x portmapper' work? |
| 04:29.18 | username17 | sync a symlink in init calls it, if it can't execute? Or will that just cause errors? |
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| 04:29.26 | username17 | since a symlink* |
| 04:29.48 | peterrooney | username17: /usr/share/doc/harden-doc/html/securing-debian-howto/apA.en.html |
| 04:30.02 | username17 | thanks! will download now |
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| 04:30.41 | peterrooney | username17: probably better to use update-rc.d, or uninstall the package |
| 04:32.55 | peterrooney | http://pastebin.ca/1996864 |
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| 04:56.24 | username17 | Anyone installed java recently? Found several guides all which were different. Trying http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx atm |
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| 04:58.00 | guns_ | Hey, does anyone have any recommendations for a lightweight clipboard manager? I'm a first time Linux desktop user. |
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| 05:03.34 | chrissbx | username17: what do you want to do? Have you seen the "update" notice there? You can just install from Debian archives now. |
| 05:04.03 | username17 | I need to install the JRE and JDK |
| 05:04.20 | username17 | or rather the JRE and VM |
| 05:04.23 | chrissbx | At least in testing; not sure when the change came (lenny already?). |
| 05:04.27 | username17 | don't need the dk |
| 05:04.42 | chrissbx | For development or an application? |
| 05:04.48 | username17 | an app |
| 05:04.55 | chrissbx | An app in Debian? |
| 05:05.09 | username17 | yes |
| 05:05.24 | peterrooney | how to connect rsync to ssh running on non-standard port? |
| 05:05.26 | chrissbx | Then just apt-get install that app should be all you need |
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| 05:05.41 | username17 | which java do I pick? there are a ton of diff ones |
| 05:05.53 | chrissbx | username17: pick where from? |
| 05:06.20 | chrissbx | username17: who is asking you to pick? |
| 05:06.36 | username17 | if I do apt-cache search java, there are a ton of options |
| 05:06.40 | username17 | not sure which package to install |
| 05:07.06 | chrissbx | username17: my point is why do you search? Does installing the actual app not resolve automatically? |
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| 05:07.30 | username17 | the app I'm trying to run is a jar file |
| 05:07.33 | username17 | so I need java first |
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| 05:08.04 | chrissbx | username17: aha, I was asking "an app in Debian", meaning from the debian archives. So that was a no. |
| 05:08.16 | username17 | oh I misunderstood. Sorry bout that |
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| 05:08.42 | chrissbx | username17: openjdk-6-jre is what I have here, on testing. |
| 05:09.15 | chrissbx | Also there's default-jre, you probably need that. |
| 05:09.22 | username17 | ok |
| 05:09.28 | username17 | getting openjdk now |
| 05:09.51 | username17 | I think I tried default, but it was a gig. Seemed a bit of overkill. But hell, if it works |
| 05:09.57 | Rusty1 | !java |
| 05:09.57 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:11.46 | username17 | nice thanks Rusty. Will use dpkg in addition to google like I should. =p |
| 05:12.38 | Rusty1 | !install java |
| 05:12.39 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 05:13.11 | username17 | yep I sent a /msg so I didn't spam channel |
| 05:13.26 | username17 | I have a feeling the jdk was overkill. Downloading a buncha dev stuff I'll never use. |
| 05:13.30 | username17 | oh well |
| 05:14.26 | chrissbx | openjdk-6-jre-headless may be enough |
| 05:15.17 | mordocai | username17: Yeah, you shouldn't need the jdk unless you are making your own app. |
| 05:15.23 | username17 | doh |
| 05:15.33 | mordocai | :P |
| 05:15.39 | username17 | I guess I can remove it afterwards |
| 05:15.55 | username17 | but my linux machine is a 800mhz cyrix. Gonna take foreveeeeer |
| 05:17.03 | chrissbx | verifies to have said openjdk-6-jre not -jdk |
| 05:17.31 | username17 | yah that's what I did |
| 05:17.41 | username17 | still took forever =p |
| 05:18.03 | username17 | so now... default-jre and should be good to go. |
| 05:18.10 | chrissbx | That's not the same as openjdk-6-jdk which is probably what mordocai meant. |
| 05:18.37 | username17 | Ahh ok. I'd hate to see how huge jdk is if jre was a gig. |
| 05:18.43 | chrissbx | yep, and if you don't need gui stuff for the app -headless should suffice. |
| 05:19.00 | username17 | yah I'll be running it in screen. Didn't even install X. Pretty minimal install |
| 05:19.23 | username17 | I may remove jre and reinstall jre-headless. |
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| 05:32.30 | sweetpi | :q |
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| 06:27.39 | alkisg | Hi, I'd like to netinstall testing+lxde, do I just use the following URL? Do I need to pass any special kernel parameters like "desktop=lxde" or will I be able to select the DE during the installation? |
| 06:27.40 | alkisg | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 06:31.05 | Tobias| | Is there a simple means to install packages from sid to squeeze? I remember something which allowed me to do it simply with apt-get, but don't recall what exactly it was |
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| 06:35.01 | froggyman | I want to install debian on my computer. What .iso should I use to do this? |
| 06:36.48 | sweetpi | froggyman: netinst if your not using wireless |
| 06:38.51 | froggyman | alright |
| 06:38.56 | froggyman | thanks! |
| 06:41.01 | macrobat | Tobias|: i think the general consensus is to _NOT_ mix releases |
| 06:42.15 | Tobias| | I didn't ask if it were clean |
| 06:42.23 | Tobias| | I asked if there were a simple method in which I could do it |
| 06:42.35 | Tobias| | through* |
| 06:43.05 | Tobias| | Otherwise I'm just going to manually download the .deb files and dpkg them, which really just boils down to beating around the bush |
| 06:43.53 | alkisg | To answer my own question, I only needed the netboot.tar.gz file, and I was given an option to install lxde from the pxelinux menu. |
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| 06:50.33 | sweetpi | alkisg: yeah, desktop=lxde is what you need to pass, you might also be interested in !preseed (we use a script to generate it on request from pxelinux) |
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| 06:51.10 | alkisg | sweetpi: thanks, now hoping it will work with 128 RAM... ;) |
| 06:53.55 | sweetpi | alkisg: iirc 128 is the minimum recommended, ive seen it on 48 though |
| 06:54.08 | alkisg | Nice!!! |
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| 06:59.40 | debianenthu | Is there a debian forum moderator online? There's so spamming going on in the forums. |
| 07:00.38 | mordocai | alkisg: Yeah, my laptop with debian testing with LXDE runs at about 60 MB, and ran on 40ish before I started running more daemons. |
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| 07:24.28 | alkisg | Where can I find a package list for the "print-server" and "file-server" d-i options? My debian isn't installed yet so I can't run tasksel list... |
| 07:28.05 | alkisg | ...anyway postponing this for after the installation... |
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| 07:32.38 | khaije|minder | so about the recent 200 a/o 4 line speed patch, has anyone been able apply the 4-liner to their machine successsfully? |
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| 08:03.20 | linux34 | Hi All. I have a question |
| 08:03.33 | linux34 | what is the last ver of debian. |
| 08:03.57 | linux34 | i will install unstable versiın with chrome vlc player and more |
| 08:04.13 | linux34 | Etch or another versiın |
| 08:04.38 | cahoot | tried debian.org for info? |
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| 08:06.12 | cahoot | http://debian.org/releases/ |
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| 08:13.53 | Munsta | after i installed fastcgi for apache2, i get a 403 when i try to go to my site... how do i fix it? |
| 08:14.18 | Tobias| | Check your error log |
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| 08:14.25 | Munsta | how do i check the error log? |
| 08:15.24 | Tobias| | tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 08:15.27 | Tobias| | then load the page |
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| 08:16.09 | Munsta | Tobiasl: I am reading the log... but how can i tell what the problem is? |
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| 08:16.35 | Tobias| | It should say what the error is |
| 08:17.00 | Tobias| | Maybe you just haven't chmodded your files correctly for all we know |
| 08:17.13 | blahdeblah | Hi. If i've just copied the package selection from one host to another with dpkg --get-selections & dpkg --set-selections, what's the command to actually install the packages matching the selections? |
| 08:17.32 | Munsta | ok File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico |
| 08:17.35 | Munsta | thats what it says |
| 08:17.43 | Tobias| | o_O |
| 08:17.44 | Tobias| | I see |
| 08:17.52 | Tobias| | chmod your files properly |
| 08:18.00 | Munsta | which files should i chmod? |
| 08:18.08 | Tobias| | Whichever you're trying to execute |
| 08:18.24 | Munsta | ok so this is what it says on the page - Forbidden You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server. |
| 08:18.36 | Tobias| | Then chmod that. |
| 08:18.47 | Munsta | so i chmod it with a+x? |
| 08:19.04 | Tobias| | Go for it |
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| 08:20.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | shouldn't you check the permissions before sugggesting changing them? |
| 08:20.41 | Munsta | so i used chmod on it, AND restarted the apache2 server.. still, the same thing |
| 08:20.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Munsta: increase the logging verbosity if error log doesn't help you |
| 08:21.04 | Munsta | dude, how do i do that? lol |
| 08:21.13 | Munsta | im a noob in debian linux |
| 08:21.21 | Munsta | i only know so much lol |
| 08:21.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you even looked at your apache configs yet? |
| 08:21.31 | Munsta | yea i have |
| 08:21.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Munsta: then look again, i'll give you /etc/apache2/sites-available/default as a hint |
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| 08:23.28 | Munsta | so i am supposed to allowoverride All |
| 08:23.29 | Munsta | right? |
| 08:23.43 | Munsta | on <directory /var/www> |
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| 08:25.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | take a step back. what are you installing, how are you installing it, and why |
| 08:26.15 | Munsta | well.. honestly, i just installed fastcgi for apache2 |
| 08:26.29 | Munsta | before, the site was fine, but after that, it just went to 403 |
| 08:26.46 | macrobat | blahdeblah: i tink if you only output dpkg --get-selections to a file, you lose information about what pkgs are installed as dependencies |
| 08:27.07 | blahdeblah | macrobat: that's OK - i don't care about them |
| 08:27.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | macrobat: its a complete list |
| 08:27.13 | simonrvn | check the error log... |
| 08:27.19 | blahdeblah | I found the answer anyway: it's apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 08:27.38 | blahdeblah | macrobat: thx anyway |
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| 08:27.58 | macrobat | or you could try something like: aptitude search ~i\!~M |awk ' {print $2}' | tr "\n" " " > pkgs_installed_oneline |
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| 08:29.03 | foul_owl | Hey, installed the latest debian, and my webcam doesn't work |
| 08:29.06 | simonrvn | dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:29.06 | dpkg | simonrvn: wish i knew |
| 08:29.27 | simonrvn | foul_owl: ask #mindreaders |
| 08:30.03 | foul_owl | why? |
| 08:30.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell foul_owl about doesn't work |
| 08:30.28 | macrobat | foul_owl: you don't think the make and model of the webcam is important? |
| 08:30.53 | foul_owl | haha well i was waiting for someone to ask so i know they were going to help me |
| 08:31.13 | foul_owl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.19 | foul_owl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.27 | simonrvn | that's better |
| 08:31.57 | foul_owl | when i say it doesn't work, sorry i meant to say, lsusb shows it, but i don't get a /dev/video0 |
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| 08:32.12 | simonrvn | what's syslog and dmesg say? |
| 08:32.15 | macrobat | on irc, you are supposed to just blurt your question out to the channel :D |
| 08:32.59 | simonrvn | instead of beating around the bush, directness is appreciated |
| 08:33.18 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: tell twotwenty about doesn't work |
| 08:33.31 | simonrvn | TwoTwenty: /msg dpkg works too |
| 08:34.31 | TwoTwenty | I was messaging with him already |
| 08:34.39 | TwoTwenty | hahha |
| 08:34.57 | TwoTwenty | I just wanted everyone to know |
| 08:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "works too"? |
| 08:35.16 | TwoTwenty | "works too"? |
| 08:35.36 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: heh |
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| 08:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you gotta make that factoid first... |
| 08:36.18 | Munsta | alright... now im lost |
| 08:36.20 | simonrvn | TwoTwenty: 'k |
| 08:36.21 | Munsta | it went from a 400 |
| 08:36.24 | Munsta | to a 500 error |
| 08:36.34 | simonrvn | progress of sorts |
| 08:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | look out for tall buildings if you're lost |
| 08:36.57 | Munsta | after i messed with the apache2/sites-available/default |
| 08:37.02 | simonrvn | or distinctive trees |
| 08:37.07 | TwoTwenty | dpkg: tell twotwenty about boobies |
| 08:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mountain ranges... |
| 08:37.13 | TwoTwenty | :o |
| 08:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell TwoTwenty -about selftell |
| 08:37.18 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
| 08:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I think he didn'T understand you there :) |
| 08:37.25 | Munsta | man... NOW i really need help with this |
| 08:37.56 | TwoTwenty | CutMeOwnThroat, Im sorry |
| 08:38.43 | simonrvn | 500 is internal server error, it means that it's likely to be bad configuration leading to those errors, or less often permissions (it's very usually the former). |
| 08:38.43 | Munsta | ey, my brain is dying here... i have NO idea what to do now |
| 08:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... have a coffee? |
| 08:39.01 | simonrvn | Munsta: like i said, check the error log |
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| 08:39.34 | Munsta | dude, i am checking |
| 08:40.12 | Munsta | this is what it said on the last notice before i changed something and it went to 500 mod_fcgid: process /var/www/index.php(13674) exit(shutting down), terminated by calling exit(), return code: 255 |
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| 08:41.10 | cahoot | foul_owl: googling around seems to indicate the needed module is gspca_sunplus - see what happends if you modprobe that |
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| 08:42.27 | foul_owl | thanks! I finally just pastebinned dmesg : http://pastebin.com/7rGGm2Zv |
| 08:42.43 | simonrvn | ok, you need to check further up too. watch what happens, run (h)top or such, strace it if you need to. go over your config carefully. rtfm ;). |
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| 08:48.34 | foul_owl | cahoot: i tried modprobe gspca_sunplus, but it couldn't find it. tried installing gspca_modules_MYKERNEL, but still couldn't find it. apt-cache search couldn't find gspca_sunplus. What package has that kernel module? |
| 08:49.13 | cahoot | should come with the kernel |
| 08:49.31 | cahoot | ...if available at all |
| 08:49.35 | simonrvn | modprobe -l | grep gspca ; should be a bunch there |
| 08:49.41 | Arafangion | How do I get the rt2870 usb wifi stick to work? I've attempted to load rt2870spa, then realised that I needed to blacklist rt2800usb, so I did that, then unloaded that module, then re-inserted teh usb stick, but while dmesg shows that the stick is recognised (and the product, manuf, and serial numbers are identified), iwconfig does not show the device. :( |
| 08:49.46 | foul_owl | k one sec |
| 08:50.18 | simonrvn | otherwise you might need a more up to date kernel. the gspca stuff came in in .27 |
| 08:50.35 | simonrvn | has a gspca cam |
| 08:50.49 | foul_owl | there is gspca.ko but nothing else |
| 08:50.58 | foul_owl | running 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:51.06 | simonrvn | there's out-of-tree modules that are still useful if it can't find it. |
| 08:51.27 | foul_owl | not sure what that means |
| 08:51.57 | simonrvn | out-of-tree, not in the kernel as it is found on kernel.org. |
| 08:52.05 | foul_owl | ah ok |
| 08:52.25 | foul_owl | should i update to .27? if so, how? |
| 08:52.43 | simonrvn | personally i'd fetch a backports kernel |
| 08:52.46 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 08:52.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 08:55.10 | foul_owl | thanks! I'll start reading those. I'll be back if I can't get it to work. cheers! |
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| 08:58.07 | P_Kable | Hi I'm experiencing issues with rsync, I need to backup about 600 GB from a drive to an NFS mount point which is a 12TB raid5. I do rsync -a --delete /1T-WD/ /media/nasher-backup/backup-1T-WD and I get many many many of these: rsync: chown failed: <path-to-file> Operation not permitted. Any help would be more than welcome, thanks |
| 08:58.18 | Arafangion | Somehow, my rt2870sta driver is failing to even load firmware. (It doesn't even get that far - it never tries to load firmware!) |
| 08:58.25 | Munsta | ey, i still have a 500 server error problem |
| 08:58.29 | Munsta | and i seriously need help |
| 08:58.34 | Munsta | i have no idea how to fix this -_- |
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| 09:00.47 | rozie | Arafangion: do you have firmware installed? |
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| 09:01.28 | Arafangion | rozie: If I did, it should say that it's loaded firmware, right? |
| 09:01.33 | Arafangion | rozie: And if I didn't, it should say that it's failed to load it? |
| 09:01.52 | rozie | Sherlock |
| 09:01.58 | Arafangion | Heh. |
| 09:02.24 | foul_owl | ok, which package should i install in backports to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.27 ? i tried searching for "2.6.27" but there were no results |
| 09:02.37 | Arafangion | rozie: In any case, yes, the firmware seems to be in /lib/firmware/rt2870.bin |
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| 09:02.51 | rozie | foul_owl: there's no 2.6.27 in official repo |
| 09:02.57 | foul_owl | in backports |
| 09:03.21 | TwoTwenty | :O |
| 09:03.21 | rozie | foul_owl: there's 2.6.32 in backports |
| 09:03.40 | foul_owl | sweet! i'll try that thank! what is the full package name?? |
| 09:04.31 | rozie | ehm. is your apt-cache search broken? |
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| 09:04.39 | Arafangion | As an aside... Is packages.debian.org broken? Searching for 'rt2870' results in no results, regardless of my query, and I *know* that that is installed on my system! |
| 09:04.49 | foul_owl | oh i was searching using the web search |
| 09:05.01 | foul_owl | and it was saying my search was too generic |
| 09:05.16 | foul_owl | i will try the apt-cache search now, thanks |
| 09:05.21 | rozie | Arafangion: I used similiar card on Squeeze. it worked with Debian kernel and firmware installed |
| 09:05.34 | rozie | (firmware from repo, could be non-free) |
| 09:06.38 | rozie | Arafangion: take a look at this http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 09:06.58 | rozie | I'm 99% sure I used only this information |
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| 09:09.25 | Arafangion | rozie: I believe it is from non-free, however, packages.debian.org states that it includes that - regarding that website you showed me... I've followed that. |
| 09:09.46 | rozie | Arafangion: is your card on supported devices list? |
| 09:12.39 | Arafangion | It's not a card... Let me check the usb details to be pedantic, that's a good reminder. :) |
| 09:13.48 | rozie | it is card. wifi network card ;) |
| 09:15.53 | Arafangion | rozie: I think of cards as flat... Most usb things are "sticks", could be a regional slang. It's got device ID 07d1:3c0a, checking to see if that's supported... |
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| 09:16.30 | HackeMate | morning |
| 09:17.03 | HackeMate | i created a debian install from usb using zcat > boot.img.gz, I added to the root the debian.netinstall.iso |
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| 09:17.14 | HackeMate | and the installation doesn't find the .iso file |
| 09:17.43 | HackeMate | i wanted to add the complete iso but for some reason the usb is formated in fat16 with 200mb space |
| 09:17.48 | rozie | Arafangion: USB: 07D1:3C0A D-Link System DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter(rev.B2) [Ralink RT2870] |
| 09:17.57 | rozie | looks like it's supported |
| 09:17.58 | Arafangion | rozie: That's the one. |
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| 09:18.07 | rozie | use that wiki, then |
| 09:18.27 | Arafangion | rozie: Yep, but other sites are saying that I apparently want to use rt3070sta instead, curious. The website that we mentioend earlier simply does not work. |
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| 09:19.32 | Arafangion | rozie: It apparently works except that dmesg is utterly silent with respect to firmware - successful or not, but iwconfig never lists the device |
| 09:20.02 | Munsta | ok, so when i leave my site defaults on the apache2 server, it gives me a 404... but if i edit the defaults on apache2/sites-enabled/default, then i get a 500 internal server error... how do i fix this? also, this started happening AFTER i installed fcgi on apache2 |
| 09:20.08 | Arafangion | rozie: That said... I might be on an older patchlevel of the kernel, let me check that too. :) |
| 09:20.37 | Arafangion | Hmm, no, my kernel is up-to-date, as far as debian's concerned. |
| 09:21.19 | Munsta | can anyone help me with this? |
| 09:21.36 | Arafangion | rozie: This website is intriguing: http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2359.0 |
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| 09:25.53 | Munsta | so no one is willing to help me with my problem? |
| 09:25.53 | Munsta | -_- |
| 09:27.04 | Arafangion | rozie: Looks like that rt3070sta loads rt2870sta, so no advantage there... But I notice that my firmware-ralink is at version 0.26 :) |
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| 09:30.05 | Arafangion | Given that I have version 0.26 on my (non-internet-connected machine), and 0.27 is the latest in squeeze... How do I find out what changed? |
| 09:31.08 | Munsta | ok, so when i leave my site defaults on the apache2 server, it gives me a 404... but if i edit the defaults on apache2/sites-enabled/default, then i get a 500 internal server error... how do i fix this? also, this started happening AFTER i installed fcgi on apache2 |
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| 09:34.33 | Arafangion | How do I list the changes between two revisions of a particular debian package? |
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| 09:36.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | read the changelog? |
| 09:37.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arafangion: packages.debian.org |
| 09:37.03 | Arafangion | Where do I find that? |
| 09:37.25 | Arafangion | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm currently looking at: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink |
| 09:37.39 | Arafangion | Kamping_Kaiser: However, I want to see the changes that specifically apply to firmware-ralink. |
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| 09:38.39 | Arafangion | Kamping_Kaiser: (And not, for example, those changes that apply to firmware-ipw2x00) |
| 09:38.57 | RAWRjar | Is there a way to install Debian without using anything except SSH? I can make this old laptop boot from a CD, but both the montior and the video-out is busted. Is there a LiveCD that starts SSH with a known password? |
| 09:39.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arafangion: check the svn history i guess |
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| 09:42.07 | foul_owl | ok, so i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.32. rebooted. found the gspca drivers. plugged in the cam. modprobe gspca_sunplus, then modprobe gspca_main. still no /dev/video0. tried replugging the cam. still no /dev/video0. here is a pastebin of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/7M0pnN78 |
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| 09:44.16 | foul_owl | do i have to manually create /dev/video0? |
| 09:44.35 | HackeMate | where should I place the .iso image for the usb installer? |
| 09:44.52 | HackeMate | i have one in /mini.iso |
| 09:44.55 | streuner_ | foul_owl: well, i had to do this for my webcam |
| 09:44.58 | HackeMate | but the installer cant find it |
| 09:46.22 | Arafangion | Blegh, looks like I have no relevant changes with firmware-ralink - nothing's apparently changed between version 0.26 and 0.27, and trying 0.27 anyway changes nothing. |
| 09:46.29 | streuner_ | foul_owl: basically its an udev issue |
| 09:47.05 | foul_owl | any ideas what i should do? |
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| 09:48.00 | streuner_ | foul_owl: is there in /dev another video entry? |
| 09:48.12 | rozie | Arafangion: do you have Lenny? |
| 09:48.41 | streuner_ | foul_owl: in that case just make ln link to that entry |
| 09:48.52 | Arafangion | rozie: No - squeeze, although I must admit, it hasn't been updated in months (due to no network access!) |
| 09:50.01 | rozie | Arafangion: there's apt-offline ;) |
| 09:50.12 | foul_owl | there are no video entries in dev |
| 09:50.38 | Arafangion | rozie: I'd rather fix it rather than update KDE in the hopes that the wifi will work, even though I don't use KDE. ;) |
| 09:50.55 | streuner_ | foul_owl: well, look at the docs then, there should be a hint about |
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| 09:52.10 | foul_owl | what docs? |
| 09:52.35 | streuner_ | foul_owl: what does "lsusb" tell you, btw? |
| 09:53.13 | foul_owl | gives me ID 06a5: d800 |
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| 09:55.02 | foul_owl | which gspca_sunplus is supposed to work with |
| 09:55.02 | streuner_ | hm, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1597091&page=2 |
| 09:55.33 | foul_owl | looks like they couldn't get it to work either |
| 09:56.35 | foul_owl | i already tried that sunplus driver, but /dev/video0 doesn't get created |
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| 10:00.37 | cryptr | !versions parted |
| 10:00.42 | foul_owl | is it ever necessary to manually create a /dev/video0? |
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| 10:01.07 | cryptr | blah |
| 10:01.10 | cryptr | versions parted |
| 10:01.19 | cryptr | judd, versions parted |
| 10:01.20 | judd | Package parted on i386 -- etch: 1.7.1-5.1; lenny: 1.8.8.git.2008.03.24-11.1; squeeze: 2.3-3; sid: 2.3-4 |
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| 10:13.39 | Arafangion | Blegh, apparently I have to compile the latest drivers from ralink themselves rather than use the debian packages to get my wifi to work. :( |
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| 10:16.54 | doublehp | I need to grab a whole website, like with wget -r , but it contains video that are not stored as local files; they are online flv like Youtube. Any CLI tool can help ? |
| 10:17.21 | Arafangion | doublehp: That's generally tricky. |
| 10:17.43 | doublehp | i know, thus asling |
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| 10:18.31 | papabaer | hello, where can I change the (auto)mount options for nautilus? |
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| 10:18.56 | doublehp | papabaer: /j #gnome ? |
| 10:18.58 | Arafangion | doublehp: I might be understating things. The tool would probably need a javascript interpreter, for one thing. :) |
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| 10:46.34 | hkuieagle | hi, what's the difference between 2.6 and 2.6.32 kernel images promoted to be chosen when install debian squeeze? |
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| 10:47.28 | Arafangion | hkuieagle: 2.6 is usually an alias to the latest kernel, practically speaking - if I were you, though, I'd choose 2.6.32 in case the logic for "the latest kernel version" is wrong. |
| 10:47.37 | Arafangion | (As has happened in squeeze) |
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| 10:48.05 | Moskito | hkuieagle, when have you been prompted that? (I've just installed squeeze and lenny about a dozen times and never have been asked that...) |
| 10:48.16 | NginUS | hkuieagle: invisible wildcards |
| 10:48.25 | chelz | about iptables, is there anything actually stopping me from adding a rule to the default OUTGOING chain that affects incoming packets? if not, why the need for separate chains? |
| 10:48.42 | hkuieagle | Moskito, expert mode sir |
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| 10:49.41 | hkuieagle | Arafangion, I see, I thought 2.6 means some sort of LTS kernels. |
| 10:50.07 | Arafangion | khaije1: That is an Ubuntu concept. All debian releases are LTS. |
| 10:50.14 | Arafangion | (In a mannar of speaking) |
| 10:50.43 | Arafangion | khaije1: Squeeze is not yet released, though - it's "testing". |
| 10:53.28 | johndoevodka | whats the correct way to update my squeeze install which hasnt been updated in months? |
| 10:54.20 | Arafangion | johndoevodka: Install apt-listchanges (or whatever it's called), so that you know what's changed... And then install apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:54.29 | buscon | Hi, I've forgot the command that tell you where is located the binary that I'm using |
| 10:54.46 | buscon | I mean, I'm using gpg but I don't know where's installed |
| 10:54.53 | johndoevodka | buscon: whence gpg |
| 10:54.59 | Arafangion | johndoevodka: Then check to ensure that your kernel version is correct - there was a kernel ages ago that had an unfortunate name. |
| 10:55.03 | buscon | johndoevodka: thanx! |
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| 10:55.46 | buscon | johndoevodka: actually it's which, but I got it anyway |
| 10:56.09 | johndoevodka | buscon: both work for me |
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| 10:56.41 | hkuieagle | chelz, different chains have different sequences processed by kernel. |
| 10:56.54 | buscon | ah, ok, at the moment I'm under osx... |
| 10:57.17 | chelz | hkuieagle: thanks |
| 10:57.17 | Arafangion | buscon: It's very different compared with ipfw. :) |
| 10:57.39 | hkuieagle | chelz, If an incoming package never goes out, it will never be processed by OUTGOING rules. |
| 10:57.40 | Arafangion | That said, why do we still refer to "chains"? Don't we use ip-tables, for the past decade? |
| 10:57.56 | buscon | Arafangion: yeah, I know, but I learned unix with debian and still thinking in the debian's way ;) |
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| 10:58.52 | Arafangion | buscon: Before debian changed from ipchains to iptables? :) |
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| 11:01.09 | buscon | Arafangion: not that long :P |
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| 11:02.12 | johndoevodka | are there any logs of this channel? |
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| 11:03.49 | babilen | johndoevodka: see /topic |
| 11:04.11 | johndoevodka | babilen: my bad, thank you mister |
| 11:04.25 | babilen | no problem |
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| 11:05.12 | Arafangion | johndoevodka: I'm sure people'll also have logs dating back a few decades, as well, if you ask the right person. |
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| 11:06.25 | johndoevodka | Arafangion: 2004 is more than enough for me :) |
| 11:07.11 | Arafangion | johndoevodka: I'm sure some would disagree - there's always some that do. :) |
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| 11:11.55 | raboof | is it possible to mark bugs in the BTS as 'related' to each other? in particular, #559431 and #603930 are different bugs but have similar symptoms, so linking them in some way would be useful. |
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| 11:14.42 | babilen | raboof: I am not aware of such a command. You could write a mail adding that information ... Here is an overview bts control commands: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
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| 11:21.34 | Arafangion | Man, D-Link is terrible. |
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| 11:22.05 | Arafangion | My USB stick doesn't work in Debian - at all, however... It *also* doesn't work in Mac OS X, at all! |
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| 11:22.51 | sort_-R | Arafangion: Should throuw it away, at least! |
| 11:23.04 | sort_-R | *throw |
| 11:23.35 | Arafangion | sort_-R: I planned to give it to a friend, who is a Mac OS X user, until I realised (selfishly), that it probably had a better range than the one I have now in my macbook... |
| 11:23.55 | Arafangion | sort_-R: That is, of course, after I've realised that it just doesn't work in Debian! |
| 11:24.00 | Dekkzter | Hello.. when trying to install rTorrent from source i get the following error.. http://pastebin.com/gV3CPHKF .. any ideas? |
| 11:24.59 | Arafangion | Heck! It won't even work on my WORK machine, which is windows! |
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| 11:25.25 | sort_-R | Throw this shit away now! |
| 11:25.57 | Arafangion | I'm thinking I shall. |
| 11:26.04 | babilen | Dekkzter: You are most likely missing some build depedencies. Why are you compiling it manually? |
| 11:26.06 | sort_-R | I mean both dows and stick. |
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| 11:26.45 | Dekkzter | because i cant get it to work with wtorrent from the repos |
| 11:26.47 | sort_-R | ;) |
| 11:26.52 | _abc_ | About how long does it take to install Debian from the net? |
| 11:26.54 | Arafangion | sort_-R: The windows is well-insulated by virtual machines, I'm a software developer, and unfortunatly I have to make my programs work well in a primarily windows market. :( |
| 11:27.02 | Arafangion | _abc_: How long is a piece of string? |
| 11:27.13 | Arafangion | _abc_: Needless to say... It takes damn long on a 56k modem. |
| 11:27.19 | _abc_ | I mean experienced user, average install? 20 minutes? 1 hour? 3? |
| 11:27.22 | sort_-R | :/ :{ |
| 11:27.33 | _abc_ | Ignore network speed for now |
| 11:27.39 | babilen | Dekkzter: rtorrent is available from Debian |
| 11:27.43 | babilen | ,versions rtorrent |
| 11:27.43 | _abc_ | The installation proper takes how long? |
| 11:27.44 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 11:28.03 | _abc_ | haha etch is still out? |
| 11:28.03 | cahoot | _abc_: 0.5-1h |
| 11:28.04 | Arafangion | _abc_: Ignoring all IO speed, and an advanced user... 2 minutes, including boot times.. |
| 11:28.24 | Dekkzter | babilen: is it working with xlmrpc? |
| 11:28.25 | _abc_ | ok thanks |
| 11:28.26 | babilen | _abc_: No, etch is "oldstable" |
| 11:28.31 | _abc_ | I know |
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| 11:29.21 | babilen | Dekkzter: I have no idea, why don't you try it? If it is not configured with xmlrpc (?) you could recompile the package. /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 11:29.29 | babilen | Dekkzter: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:29.39 | Dekkzter | sec |
| 11:30.08 | Arafangion | _abc_: The 2 minute estimate assumes approximately two thousand CPU cores, 64GB of RAM, and an SSD that is capable of a read/write performance of 3GB/s. |
| 11:30.09 | themill | (actually, etch is no longer oldstable) |
| 11:30.22 | Arafangion | themill: It isn't? |
| 11:31.15 | Dekkzter | babilen: 5.0.6? :P |
| 11:31.15 | themill | it's no longer on the mirrors and there's no longer an oldstable symlink to it there |
| 11:31.53 | babilen | right, "as long as security updates are provided". My bad :-\ |
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| 11:33.32 | babilen | Dekkzter: You could backport 0.8.6-1 from squeeze/sid or just install the version (i.e. 0.7.9) from Lenny. "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:33.59 | Dekkzter | ok... thanks |
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| 11:34.54 | Dekkzter | babilen: feel like helping me? bacuase when trying build essential install it cant find it... |
| 11:35.16 | Dekkzter | babilen: this is a bit of a special system.. got it running on my dns 323 :S |
| 11:35.53 | babilen | Dekkzter: Sure, could you paste "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy build-essential" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 11:36.59 | babilen | or rather: the output of it :) |
| 11:37.06 | Dekkzter | http://paste.debian.net/100273/ |
| 11:37.13 | Dekkzter | understood that :P |
| 11:37.40 | babilen | Dekkzter: You need to configure a repository |
| 11:37.52 | babilen | !sources.list |
| 11:37.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:38.26 | babilen | Dekkzter: You *might* want to add "contrib non-free" in the end if you want to install non-free packages or those that depends on non-free software. |
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| 11:38.40 | Dekkzter | ok |
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| 11:40.33 | Dekkzter | hmm... that line is already in sources.list |
| 11:40.56 | nsadmin | which one? two are mentioned |
| 11:41.40 | Dekkzter | both are therew |
| 11:41.55 | nsadmin | ok, try aptitude update |
| 11:42.19 | babilen | not commented? Run "aptitude update" and if that does not work paste your sources.list and the "apt-cache policy ; ..." output |
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| 11:45.23 | Dekkzter | http://paste.debian.net/100276/ |
| 11:46.35 | Dekkzter | and here are my sources.list |
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| 11:46.41 | Dekkzter | http://paste.debian.net/100277/ |
| 11:46.41 | babilen | Dekkzter: And "aptitude install build-essential" gives you what? |
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| 11:47.59 | Dekkzter | now it wanted to... when going apt-get install build-essential yesterday it couldnt find package |
| 11:48.32 | babilen | Dekkzter: great, have fun. :) |
| 11:48.35 | Dekkzter | thanks :) |
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| 11:49.22 | HollyRain | how are created the PIDs ? I mean how a new process knows which has been the last PID to get the next one |
| 11:49.47 | nsadmin | there are different ways |
| 11:50.03 | nsadmin | sometimes the daemon creates its own |
| 11:50.22 | nsadmin | start-stop-daemon can create it if not |
| 11:51.07 | nsadmin | a process which will be a daemon is created by fork() which returns the pid to the parent proces which can then write that to a file |
| 11:51.27 | HollyRain | but the daemon will have to check if doesn't exist the PID which is going to use |
| 11:51.44 | robokop_ | the kernel assigns a pid when you call fork |
| 11:51.52 | HollyRain | ahh, ok |
| 11:52.55 | HollyRain | thanks |
| 11:53.05 | nsadmin | if a daemon is no longer running but the pid file still exists (this can be tested for), the pid file is considered stale |
| 11:53.11 | babilen | Dekkzter: Just a few tips: i. Make sure to only add a "deb-src" line and ii. You might want to backport packages from Squeeze instead of Sid |
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| 11:59.08 | Dekkzter | babilen: and ii? |
| 11:59.47 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.13 | Dekkzter | i dont really understand _S |
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| 12:00.45 | nsadmin | lenny is the version of debian which is currently stable (aka the stable branch) |
| 12:00.56 | Dekkzter | that much i know |
| 12:01.09 | nsadmin | there are two less stable branches, testing and unstabe |
| 12:01.35 | nsadmin | could you say more about what you're not understanding? |
| 12:01.38 | Dekkzter | which is squeeze and sid |
| 12:01.46 | Dekkzter | the "and ii" part :P |
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| 12:02.10 | nsadmin | what is it about that? |
| 12:02.21 | Dekkzter | nvm |
| 12:02.25 | Dekkzter | i google it :O |
| 12:02.46 | nsadmin | "backport"? |
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| 12:04.48 | Dekkzter | im just totally confused now.... been trying to get this damn rtorrent to run for 3 days... 1000 solutions but none is working for me |
| 12:04.58 | nsadmin | I do understand it, but I've been around awhile... I'm not sure totally breaking it down would be useful to you, but I can breakdown the part you don't understand |
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| 12:06.22 | Dekkzter | well.. right now isnt a good time to put my head even more into this.. my parents are visiting me any min now.... but i will be back later tonight |
| 12:06.42 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 12:08.15 | nsadmin | that would probably include figuring out how to do backports if you haven't before |
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| 12:10.04 | nsadmin | , versions rtorrent |
| 12:10.06 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 12:10.25 | Dekkzter | nopes.. never done backports |
| 12:11.34 | Dekkzter | the problem is.. as i said earlier.. that i run it on my NAS.. DNS323 with debian installed.. and its running an ARM processor |
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| 12:12.32 | nsadmin | so does your NAS have enough ram and enough disk to do compiles comfortably? |
| 12:12.59 | nsadmin | if so, you can do the compile on the nas itself |
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| 12:13.33 | nsadmin | if not, then things get more complicated: you would have to establish a cross-compile environment |
| 12:14.00 | nsadmin | would it hurt to run it on a different machine? |
| 12:14.01 | Dekkzter | well.. 64mb ram and 3tb hdd |
| 12:14.36 | nsadmin | you have an ok amount of ram |
| 12:14.48 | Dekkzter | hmm.. i can run it on any machine and can run a virtual machine to do stuff on |
| 12:15.34 | Dekkzter | 'well.. my parents are here now |
| 12:15.40 | Dekkzter | can i PM u when im back? |
| 12:15.40 | toet | Welcome Back! |
| 12:16.11 | nsadmin | pm, no, just say you need help backporting rtorrent |
| 12:16.28 | nsadmin | , versions libtorrent |
| 12:16.29 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libtorrent' was found in i386. |
| 12:17.51 | nsadmin | , versions libtorrent10 |
| 12:17.53 | judd | Package libtorrent10 on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.9-1.1 |
| 12:18.14 | nsadmin | , versions libtorrent12 |
| 12:18.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libtorrent12' was found in i386. |
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| 12:19.16 | nsadmin | , versions libtorrent11 |
| 12:19.17 | judd | Package libtorrent11 on i386 -- sid: 0.12.6-2; squeeze: 0.12.6-2 |
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| 12:21.12 | nsadmin | you will need to also backport libtorrent11 |
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| 12:25.29 | nsadmin | , versions libxmlrpc-c3 |
| 12:25.30 | judd | Package libxmlrpc-c3 on i386 -- etch: 0.9.10-4; lenny: 1.06.27-1; sid: 1.06.27-1.1; squeeze: 1.06.27-1.1; experimental: 1.16.07-1 |
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| 12:27.37 | nsadmin | and you will need to install libxmlrpc-c3 and libxmlrpc-c3-dev |
| 12:28.41 | fi9o | , versions ekg2 |
| 12:28.43 | judd | Package ekg2 on i386 -- experimental: 20101002+2104-1 |
| 12:28.48 | fi9o | , versions ekg |
| 12:28.50 | judd | Package ekg on i386 -- etch: 1:1.7~rc2-1etch2; etch-security: 1:1.7~rc2-1etch2; lenny: 1:1.8~rc1-1; sid: 1:1.8~rc1-1+b1; squeeze: 1:1.8~rc1-1+b1 |
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| 12:32.02 | DimmuR | hello everyone, how can i find on hdd file that contains some expression? find seems don't work on that :( |
| 12:32.29 | nsadmin | what file do you want? |
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| 12:32.49 | babilen | DimmuR: grep -r maybe, but what are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:33.00 | DimmuR | i know somewhere in /etc/ should be a file that contains some expression but i don't know which file is it and where |
| 12:33.55 | nsadmin | if you were to say something about why you're looking for this, there's a better chance to help |
| 12:34.00 | babilen | DimmuR: yeah, use grep recursively .. Something along the lines of "grep -re "PATTERN" /etc/" |
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| 12:34.08 | petemc | DimmuR: grep -r "foo" /etc |
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| 12:34.49 | DimmuR | thanks very much |
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| 12:39.03 | X4Fly | hi |
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| 12:39.53 | X4Fly | i would like to get a list of files for image files only, but I can't find the shell line anymore. |
| 12:39.58 | X4Fly | has anybody an idea? |
| 12:40.29 | rozie | define image files |
| 12:40.32 | babilen | what do you mean by "image files" ? Pictures? CD images? ... |
| 12:40.36 | nsadmin | what kind of image? example? |
| 12:40.42 | babilen | :-D |
| 12:40.43 | X4Fly | pictures |
| 12:41.01 | X4Fly | i tried to play around with file|grep image |
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| 12:41.32 | rozie | X4Fly: how do you define image file? |
| 12:41.38 | rozie | by content? |
| 12:41.42 | rozie | by extension? |
| 12:42.15 | X4Fly | if FILE result contains image |
| 12:42.40 | X4Fly | e.g. alpha_black.png: PNG image, |
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| 12:42.59 | X4Fly | so, i would like to use the file command |
| 12:43.08 | nsadmin | do you know which dir they're all in? |
| 12:43.33 | X4Fly | i would like to search also in subdirectories |
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| 12:45.23 | nsadmin | so we're looking at find |
| 12:45.40 | acemi | find . | xargs file | grep image | cut -d: -f1 |
| 12:46.12 | X4Fly | what is the cut -d for? |
| 12:46.30 | acemi | split by this char |
| 12:46.32 | themill | that will fail horribly on some filenames... e.g. a directory with "image" in it. |
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| 12:47.27 | nsadmin | but it's a good first cut |
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| 12:49.01 | themill | would use File::MMagic |
| 12:49.20 | nsadmin | oh, perl? |
| 12:49.40 | X4Fly | this shows also files with 'image' in path name, right? |
| 12:50.00 | nsadmin | yes |
| 12:50.03 | acemi | yes, maybe grep "image data" is better |
| 12:50.06 | nsadmin | that's the breakage |
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| 12:50.52 | jordanm | also, 99% of the time you want -exec with find instread of xargs |
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| 12:51.13 | nsadmin | that wouldn't solve the above breakage |
| 12:51.15 | X4Fly | mmhh, image data does not fit to "png" |
| 12:51.52 | X4Fly | is there any solution with FOR f in $FILES? |
| 12:52.36 | nsadmin | that would become a simple matter of programming |
| 12:53.06 | themill | If you could promise that there were no : or \n in the path names, «find -exec file {} + | sed -nr "s/(.*):.*image.*/\1/p"» might suffice. |
| 12:53.38 | nsadmin | that won't run |
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| 12:55.13 | stew | themill: why both sed -n and //p ? |
| 12:55.30 | themill | stew: only prints matches |
| 12:56.18 | stew | themill: you don't have a match expression though? |
| 12:57.04 | stew | or does so that it will only pring if the replacement had something to replace |
| 12:57.30 | themill | yeah, if s/// did nothing, it's not printed |
| 12:57.33 | nsadmin | the line as he has it will not run at all |
| 12:57.44 | themill | nsadmin: wfm |
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| 12:59.39 | MrFloppy | hi |
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| 13:00.14 | nsadmin | show command line |
| 13:00.26 | MrFloppy | gpg: Schlüssel "67265EB522BDD6B1C69E66ED7FB8BEE0A1F196A8" nicht gefunden: eof |
| 13:00.26 | MrFloppy | gpg: 67265EB522BDD6B1C69E66ED7FB8BEE0A1F196A8: delete key failed: eof |
| 13:00.26 | MrFloppy | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von pidgin-ppa (--remove): |
| 13:00.26 | MrFloppy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.27 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, MrFloppy |
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| 13:00.33 | MrFloppy | oh sorry |
| 13:00.44 | nsadmin | show =command line= |
| 13:00.51 | MrFloppy | dpkg -r pidgin-ppa --force-all |
| 13:00.51 | dpkg | removes pidgin-ppa --force-all along with a pound of flesh from mrfloppy's body, then staples mrfloppy back up with a staple gun. |
| 13:01.13 | themill | MrFloppy: is this a debian system you've done that to? |
| 13:01.19 | MrFloppy | yes |
| 13:01.24 | themill | :( |
| 13:01.33 | MrFloppy | tried apt-get remove too |
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| 13:02.06 | macrobat | MrFloppy: isn't ppa ubuntu stuff? |
| 13:02.11 | themill | MrFloppy: for future reference, don't use Ubuntu PPAs with Debian boxes. /msg dpkg why not use a ppa |
| 13:02.13 | MrFloppy | might be yes |
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| 13:02.48 | MrFloppy | i just wanted to try i |
| 13:02.57 | MrFloppy | and now as it doesnt work want to get rid of it |
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| 13:05.06 | themill | MrFloppy: you're going to have to edit the maintainer scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin-ppa.*rm to have them exit without doing anything to the keys. Making the second line "exit 0" should be enough. |
| 13:05.22 | MrFloppy | ill give it a try, thanks |
| 13:05.34 | poisonbit | or, you can try to import the key that is going to be deleted, and the script will work |
| 13:05.38 | themill | (I'm hoping they don't do any more significant clean up work than that) |
| 13:06.13 | nsadmin | MrFloppy when you want to try something from a foreign debian-based dist, you would have to compile it so it uses your existing libs |
| 13:06.32 | nsadmin | otherwise (like you found out) it doesn't work |
| 13:06.41 | MrFloppy | yeah, thats what my next step is going to be, just downloaded the sourcey |
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| 13:06.50 | MrFloppy | i wanted to give it a quick try first with the ppa |
| 13:07.02 | MrFloppy | themill thx your solution worked just fine |
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| 13:07.14 | nsadmin | has that ever worked to install a package from a foreign repo? |
| 13:07.27 | MrFloppy | i think so |
| 13:07.57 | nsadmin | there were a hell of a lot of coincidences at play then |
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| 13:09.51 | themill | ,versions pidgin |
| 13:09.53 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.5-1 |
| 13:10.10 | themill | MrFloppy: you might like to look at the backports version first. /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 13:13.47 | masterkorp | hello. i am with a problem configuring a HP photoSmart B010 i got a error state 101 (my hp-info -g output : http://pastebin.com/imXTRKhz ), so any idea ? |
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| 13:16.59 | masterkorp | here can i read documentation about this ? |
| 13:17.32 | masterkorp | please any help ? |
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| 13:17.49 | CoolCold | hi guys |
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| 13:18.53 | masterkorp | CoolCold: hello |
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| 13:19.08 | nsadmin | masterkorp, how does your printer connect? what version of debian are you running? what exactly did you do to configure the printer? |
| 13:19.17 | CoolCold | can you point me to right direction where to look for info about /etc/apt/preferences file? initial task was disable installation of recommended packages. I've added "APT::Install-Recommends "false";" |
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| 13:19.38 | CoolCold | but have erorrs on apt-get install - E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
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| 13:21.14 | nsadmin | CoolCold: look at the file list for apt (dpkg -L apt) |
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| 13:23.49 | masterkorp | nsadmin: my printer connect trough usb , i am using debian lenny. I downloaded the hplip form sourceforge, because as said in here : http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/photosmart/photosmart_b010_series.html i need versiion 3.10.6 or newer |
| 13:25.02 | themill | CoolCold: "/msg dpkg apt recommends". That's not the recommended configuration to use and you're adding that to the wrong file |
| 13:26.49 | CoolCold | themill: yeah, looks like i should use apt.conf |
| 13:26.51 | masterkorp | nsadmin: soo, any idea ? |
| 13:27.50 | CoolCold | nsadmin: thank you too |
| 13:28.51 | nsadmin | for one thing I don't have a photosmart... |
| 13:29.09 | nsadmin | so there's nothing I can do to test locally |
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| 13:30.19 | nsadmin | one thing I'd be curious about is what does error 101 mean |
| 13:30.27 | masterkorp | but can you give me some tips based on hp-info output, i've got a eroor state 101, but i am looking for that error i and can't find any |
| 13:30.44 | masterkorp | realtive information |
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| 13:31.53 | masterkorp | is there any channel for hp-linux printing |
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| 13:32.13 | masterkorp | ? |
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| 13:32.43 | nsadmin | does the printer have a static IP? is it on the lan? |
| 13:32.52 | reber | hi. What's the name of the package to monitor files installed during an install stage (make install of whatever bin installer) ? |
| 13:32.59 | masterkorp | nsadmin: no is usb only |
| 13:33.16 | disinpho | hey - anyone here tried installing rouncube on lenny? i couldnt find it on apt-get to i got a backport |
| 13:33.18 | masterkorp | if has an ethernet printer as soo much easy |
| 13:33.20 | Data__ | Hello, I've got an harddrive with Fedora 14 which is encrypted unfortunately the system is broke. I've also got a debian machine - I've entered the harddrive into that machine however, I'm unable to mount the drive due to the encryption. cryptsetup doesn't allow me to mount it because 'missing keyfiles'. The thing is, I was just about to make a backup and well I kind broke it by installingen |
| 13:33.20 | Data__ | an old glibc (I know stupid). |
| 13:33.32 | disinpho | The following packages have unmet dependencies: roundcube-core: Depends: php-mail-mime (>= 1.7.0) but 1.5.2-0.1 is to be installed Depends: libjs-jquery (>= 1.3.3) but 1.2.6-2 is to be installed |
| 13:34.03 | nsadmin | reber: "make install" isn't monitored at all by any debian package |
| 13:34.29 | reber | nsadmin, it is. actually. Look at checkinstall. |
| 13:34.52 | reber | but there are another ones. Can't get my hands on them |
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| 13:35.34 | nsadmin | that doesn't monitor, it looks once |
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| 13:36.35 | nsadmin | disinpho: make sure you are getting packages from only one version of only one dist |
| 13:36.39 | reber | erm |
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| 13:37.34 | disinpho | nsadmin: i had to add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main to get roundcube |
| 13:37.57 | disinpho | or is there another way? |
| 13:38.11 | doudou | i changed to fedora, no more questions, maybe back in few time abrotman |
| 13:38.12 | nsadmin | do you run lenny? |
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| 13:38.32 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 13:38.55 | flypp | xD |
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| 13:42.05 | disinpho | nsadmin: yes i run lenny |
| 13:43.37 | disinpho | nsadmin: I got my php etc from dotdeb tho |
| 13:43.56 | disinpho | http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
| 13:45.05 | nsadmin | oh, that may or may not work with debian packages... you might need to either get the whole stack from dotdeb (incl apache et al), or get it all from debian and either live with the versions supplied or build the one you want |
| 13:45.07 | masterkorp | any help ? |
| 13:45.43 | nsadmin | the truth is that php seems so unstable when 5.1 and 5.2 are so incompatible |
| 13:46.21 | nsadmin | or any adjacent pair of php versions |
| 13:47.05 | disinpho | oh crap |
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| 13:47.14 | disinpho | but i already installed everything |
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| 13:47.32 | masterkorp | so now i got this : ""Unable to start filter "foomatic-rip-hplip" - No such file or directory" |
| 13:47.35 | masterkorp | on CUPS |
| 13:47.39 | masterkorp | any help ? |
| 13:48.04 | nsadmin | find out which file or directory it's looking for |
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| 13:48.26 | nsadmin | unfortunately the error message (as is traditional) is no help |
| 13:48.30 | paradoxmonkey | Can someone confirm that debian bug #156489 is resolved and that adjtime has been moved out off /etc? |
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| 13:49.07 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: that would be in the bug report |
| 13:49.37 | nsadmin | also, you have debian installed... just check |
| 13:50.58 | masterkorp | nsadmin: this helps ? : http://pastebin.com/qmDTHXh5 |
| 13:51.04 | nsadmin | masterkorp: so you were able to resolve this error state 101? |
| 13:51.20 | masterkorp | i am trying, using cups directly |
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| 13:52.10 | nsadmin | E [20/Nov/2010:13:55:47 +0000] Unable to execute /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip-hplip: No such file or directory |
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| 13:53.11 | nsadmin | can you verify on the machine the printer is attached to that file does not exist |
| 13:53.20 | masterkorp | nsadmin: i am going to reinstall hlip by the packages |
| 13:53.57 | masterkorp | the problem is that that hplip on repos is 3.10.5 and i need 3.10.6 (on lucky is that uh ? ) |
| 13:54.18 | nsadmin | , versions hplip |
| 13:54.20 | judd | Package hplip on i386 -- etch: 1.6.10-3etch1; etch-security: 1.6.10-3etch1; lenny: 2.8.6.b-4; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.10.6-1.1; squeeze: 3.10.6-1.1 |
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| 13:54.47 | nsadmin | you could try backporting the one from squeeze |
| 13:55.09 | masterkorp | or maybe an update to debian squeeze can worth it ? |
| 13:55.31 | nsadmin | well that's for you to decide, based on your purpose and the machine's purpose |
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| 13:56.14 | nsadmin | , info hplip |
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| 13:56.16 | judd | Package hplip (utils, optional) in lenny/i386: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). Version: 2.8.6.b-4; Size: 232.1k; Installed: 692k; Homepage: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/hplip |
| 13:56.27 | masterkorp | is better do not do that, this is a machine on a office |
| 13:57.02 | nsadmin | then you should probably try backporting just that package |
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| 13:57.25 | masterkorp | judd: i downloaded version 3.10.9 and i just gave me trouble, and i am here in a saturday working ... |
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| 13:58.51 | masterkorp | so, i just add a squeeze repo to this lenny machine ? |
| 13:58.56 | nsadmin | how many lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list are not blank or commented? |
| 13:59.04 | wrksx | does the following handle 64bit ? |
| 13:59.06 | wrksx | uname -a |
| 13:59.06 | nsadmin | squeeze source only |
| 13:59.16 | wrksx | zoulou 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 19:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:59.39 | wrksx | or does the i686 mean non-64 bit ? |
| 13:59.39 | nsadmin | that's a 32 bit kernel |
| 13:59.42 | wrksx | =) |
| 13:59.44 | wrksx | sh..t |
| 13:59.52 | wrksx | what is my best option ? |
| 13:59.55 | nsadmin | what cpu do you have? |
| 13:59.59 | wrksx | =) |
| 14:00.00 | masterkorp | !pastebinit -f /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:00.01 | wrksx | lol 64b |
| 14:00.22 | masterkorp | oops, sorry, btw how do i run comands directly form irssi |
| 14:00.23 | masterkorp | ? |
| 14:00.47 | nsadmin | I'd just run it from your shell |
| 14:00.50 | wrksx | nsadmin, I got a 64bit cpu. Should I concider changing my kernel or is this more complicated ? |
| 14:00.53 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: obviously to correct the adjtime bug one need to cordinate with muliple debian packages as the file is used by more then one package. To whom can I propose such a radical change? |
| 14:01.23 | nsadmin | the maintainers of those packages, to start with |
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| 14:02.24 | nsadmin | wrksx, "64 bit cpu" isn't specific enough to say whether a kernel exists for it |
| 14:02.35 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: should I file a bug report on each package or should I contact the maintainers directly? |
| 14:03.01 | nsadmin | I'd talk to them first; be brief since they're likely busy |
| 14:03.06 | masterkorp | nsadmin: here it is : http://pastebin.com/BLwQvENB |
| 14:03.11 | wrksx | nsadmin, model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz |
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| 14:03.38 | wrksx | nsadmin:, where can I check ? |
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| 14:03.44 | nsadmin | hmm, I dunno what that is, it's not a core2duo? |
| 14:04.08 | thewanderer1 | Pentium Dual-Core is NOT core 2 duo |
| 14:04.26 | thewanderer1 | but it presumably has amd64 architecture. |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo .. look for the 'lm' flag |
| 14:04.46 | nsadmin | so probably the best thing is to stay with what you have |
| 14:05.37 | nsadmin | oh, so it's amd64? so he could at least install the kernel and try it |
| 14:05.40 | thewanderer1 | actually, I had amd64 running very nice on Pentium Dual-Core |
| 14:05.55 | nsadmin | did you have to do anything special? |
| 14:06.12 | thewanderer1 | the only thing that bothered me was the lack of VT, but otherwise, despite being a little bit less performant than Core 2 Duo, it's fully supported |
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| 14:06.31 | thewanderer1 | the only special thing was downloading amd64 instead of i386 iso :P |
| 14:06.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 14:06.56 | nsadmin | he'd have to reinstall to do that, but maybe he could run the kernel |
| 14:07.15 | wrksx | I didn't undestand, intel uses AMD64 arch ? |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:07.25 | wrksx | ahah |
| 14:07.36 | nsadmin | not all intels |
| 14:07.44 | nsadmin | but apparantly yours does |
| 14:07.56 | abrotman | not all Dual-Core are 64bit |
| 14:08.10 | wrksx | this one is, I looked in procinfo |
| 14:08.19 | wrksx | it has the 'lm' flag |
| 14:08.26 | thewanderer1 | then it's 64-bit |
| 14:08.36 | wrksx | so which kerenel should I use ? |
| 14:08.50 | thewanderer1 | it's not just about the kernel - you can use the amd64 distro |
| 14:09.04 | nsadmin | which would require a full reinstall |
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| 14:09.08 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 14:09.10 | wrksx | ! |
| 14:09.12 | wrksx | say what ? |
| 14:09.17 | wrksx | FULL REINSTALL ? |
| 14:09.20 | thewanderer1 | but if you decide to switch to amd64 kernel when staying with 32-bit userland, some packages like NVIDIA drivers break |
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| 14:09.30 | nsadmin | if you want to run 64b userland |
| 14:09.35 | wrksx | what is a 32bit user-land ? |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | it's 32bit |
| 14:09.46 | nsadmin | what you have now probably |
| 14:09.47 | wrksx | I mean 'userland'? |
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| 14:09.58 | nsadmin | cat is in your userland |
| 14:10.07 | wrksx | cat ? the program ? |
| 14:10.14 | wrksx | or the animal |
| 14:10.16 | nsadmin | so is grep, uniq, uname, sort, grep |
| 14:10.16 | wrksx | =) |
| 14:10.22 | wrksx | yeah I see |
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| 14:10.29 | wrksx | is Mysql part of a userland ? |
| 14:10.33 | nsadmin | the other land is your kernel |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | it would basically be everything but your kernel |
| 14:10.41 | wrksx | ok |
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| 14:10.54 | nsadmin | which includes any kernel modules |
| 14:11.02 | wrksx | so it is impossible to 'miger' ? |
| 14:11.15 | wrksx | I mean to go 64bit without a full reinstall ? |
| 14:11.24 | nsadmin | no, migration path is not defined that way |
| 14:11.41 | thewanderer1 | reinstalling packages is no big thing |
| 14:12.02 | wrksx | but full reinstall means formating the FS ? |
| 14:12.04 | johndoevodka | which of the following drivers should i use for my radeon 4890: radeon, radeonhd, fglrx? |
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| 14:12.06 | nsadmin | it's not just packages tho |
| 14:12.15 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: yes |
| 14:12.24 | nsadmin | wrksx: do you have a separate /home partition? |
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| 14:12.40 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: if you have a good partitioning scheme, it should provide for this case. otherwise, backup and restore later... |
| 14:13.00 | thewanderer1 | johndoevodka: 'radeonhd', and if it doesn't work then try fglrx |
| 14:13.12 | johndoevodka | thewanderer1: kk |
| 14:13.15 | nsadmin | you can run the amd64 kernel without reinstalling your userland |
| 14:13.24 | wrksx | nsadmin, /home is in a separated partition |
| 14:13.43 | nsadmin | you woudn't have to erase that |
| 14:13.56 | thewanderer1 | as nsadmin says, it's possible to run an amd64 kernel in i386 userland, but I'd add that it yields no visible improvements |
| 14:14.10 | wrksx | but can't I simply install a new kernel, and then reinstall the 'user-land' ? |
| 14:14.11 | thewanderer1 | perhaps besides removing some x86-specific hacks like memory limitations |
| 14:14.39 | nsadmin | well installing the userland involves a full reinstall |
| 14:14.47 | wrksx | Ok then. |
| 14:15.02 | shalok | In KDE, when I open an mp3 by double-clicking in dolphin, a bouncing ball appears on the mouse cursor for like 30s... why? |
| 14:15.03 | nsadmin | which means you'd get the amd64 kernel |
| 14:15.10 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: how can you imagine reinstalling the userland? say you need `tar` to unpack the new userland, but you remove the old tar before installing the new one and... you see the point? |
| 14:15.33 | wrksx | I see |
| 14:15.34 | nsadmin | don't remove the old one first! |
| 14:15.46 | wrksx | f*ck intel, the cpu box doesn't even metion it's 64bit |
| 14:15.58 | wrksx | else I would have installed it right |
| 14:16.00 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: the CPU specification and the manual surely do :) |
| 14:16.01 | nsadmin | nono, don't even go there... that's an annoying way to go |
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| 14:16.32 | thewanderer1 | well, leaving i386 stuff and installing amd64 on top of that would be much of an adventure :) |
| 14:16.46 | nsadmin | yes, adventure... |
| 14:17.01 | wrksx | I'll stick to 32bit for now and go for a full reinstall when I'll have some more time. |
| 14:17.06 | nsadmin | new crossfire per inch |
| 14:17.10 | thewanderer1 | shalok: the bouncing thing you see is a launch notification - it waits until the launched command (child process) shows any window, otherwise times out after 30s |
| 14:17.12 | wrksx | Thanks you all. |
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| 14:17.51 | shalok | thewanderer1, How do I disable it? |
| 14:18.02 | nsadmin | don't play mp3s? |
| 14:18.06 | thewanderer1 | shalok: look for it in the KDE Control Center... |
| 14:18.33 | debianus | Anyone here uses lxde? |
| 14:18.33 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: In what package are the files in /etc/init.d maintanied, especially hwclock.sh? |
| 14:18.45 | thewanderer1 | debianus: I used to use it, migrated to KDE lately |
| 14:18.54 | shalok | thewanderer1, Is KDE Control Center the systemsettings window? |
| 14:19.00 | thewanderer1 | shalok: yes |
| 14:19.12 | nsadmin | wrksx, when you do have the time, consider backing up everything you got so you could restore what you have |
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| 14:19.37 | nsadmin | , file etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 14:19.40 | judd | etc/init.d/hwclock.sh in lenny/i386: util-linux: etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 14:19.48 | debianus | thewanderer1, I hope I am not afk. Just migrated to debian..and don't know what to use..I might try lxde. Do you know if you can change the folder icon in lxde? |
| 14:20.05 | wrksx | nsadmin, I'll think about it, thank you. |
| 14:20.08 | debianus | thewanderer1, I ask here because the community in #lxde is not active. |
| 14:20.14 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey, util-linux |
| 14:20.34 | nsadmin | other files in /etc/init.d are in their own packages |
| 14:20.35 | debianus | thewanderer1, It kinda reminds me of windows...:) |
| 14:20.42 | thewanderer1 | debianus: well, you don't seem too far away from your typewriter since you're rather active... and LXDE works fine for me on old machines |
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| 14:20.59 | thewanderer1 | debianus: LXDE supports icon themes and GTK themes, along with Openbox window borders |
| 14:21.36 | debianus | thewanderer1, Ohh I see...thanks so much. I might give kde a try too. |
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| 14:22.10 | masterkorp | im back |
| 14:22.18 | thewanderer1 | feed KDE with 1GB RAM and it'll be happy :) |
| 14:22.19 | nsadmin | im front |
| 14:22.34 | thewanderer1 | O<---< I'm sideways |
| 14:22.58 | nsadmin | looks like you're passed out :) |
| 14:23.06 | debianus | The things is that some desktop mediums go for the fancy look and I don't like it. |
| 14:23.16 | debianus | Kde, gnome 3.0 ..... |
| 14:23.24 | thewanderer1 | well, that's the modern trend :) |
| 14:23.44 | nsadmin | debianus: you don't have to use some desktop mediums :) |
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| 14:24.08 | thewanderer1 | still, KDE and GNOME are both customizable, except for Plasma in KDE which likes to live its own life |
| 14:24.18 | masterkorp | the modern trend is tmux and screen :) |
| 14:24.25 | debianus | I just love gnome 3.22...I'm not a linux guru, just a linux beginner. But I think it's simple and nice...not fancy and full of gadgets and this things:P |
| 14:24.33 | thewanderer1 | you must mean 2.22 :P |
| 14:24.38 | masterkorp | damm, i just remenberred thosse days |
| 14:24.45 | debianus | thewanderer1, Yes, sorry. |
| 14:25.19 | thewanderer1 | no, I'm not offended, you could as well be from the future. in fact, I'd be very pleased to hear that minimalistic desktop lays ahead! |
| 14:25.28 | debianus | nsadmin, Huh? But how can you run programs like gimp and etc...? |
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| 14:25.53 | nsadmin | gimp just needs its libs |
| 14:26.22 | thewanderer1 | Stallman has people surf the Web for him... so if you don't like graphical UI's :> |
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| 14:26.43 | nsadmin | he hires surfs? |
| 14:26.44 | debianus | nsadmin, I ask because I am a beginner. If I don't use gnome, kde, lxde...and things like that I have only a terminal...black screen and text. Now how can I manage with that? |
| 14:27.03 | masterkorp | OMG, this printer prints forms for games like sudoku, maze and tic tac toe direcly :D |
| 14:27.16 | thewanderer1 | debianus: actually, the GUI exists only to offload the work from your brain (spatial imagination) to the screen |
| 14:27.23 | nsadmin | debianus: can I get you to read somethign before we continue? |
| 14:27.31 | debianus | nsadmin, Sure! |
| 14:27.42 | nsadmin | cool :) man X |
| 14:27.47 | debianus | I'm always available to learn something new. |
| 14:27.57 | debianus | nsadmin, Thanks, will read that. |
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| 14:28.13 | debianus | nsadmin, And excuse me if the questions were a bit dumb..but I really didn't knew. |
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| 14:28.40 | ebw | Hi there. Where do I find mkinitrd or alike in debian? |
| 14:28.44 | nsadmin | all this stuff you mention, gnome, kde, gimp, all run on X |
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| 14:29.40 | nsadmin | debianus: no worries... read that thing, and see what you can get out of it. questions while reading, ask. |
| 14:30.18 | nsadmin | briefly, the situation is actually different from what you're imagining |
| 14:30.28 | nsadmin | you'll see... |
| 14:30.29 | thewanderer1 | ebw: mkinitramfs... its contents are stored in /usr/share/initramfs-tools and the config is in /etc/initramfs-tools |
| 14:30.33 | wrksx | what kind of performance increase should I expect when switchin from 32 to 64bit ? |
| 14:30.55 | wrksx | I mean should I gaian execution speed ? |
| 14:31.01 | wrksx | gain |
| 14:31.02 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: various studies report about 5% on average but it highly depends on the task, really |
| 14:31.08 | nsadmin | for some things yes |
| 14:31.44 | nsadmin | also if you run flash and other binary-only things, 64b is annoying |
| 14:31.57 | wrksx | thewanderer1, ok thanks |
| 14:32.07 | wrksx | nsadmin, annoying ? means it's buggy ? |
| 14:32.26 | wrksx | nsadmin, I only use flash in my browser |
| 14:32.33 | nsadmin | no, just getting them to work is more painful since you can't just compile them |
| 14:33.00 | wrksx | nsadmin, am I concerned if I only use flash client in my browser ? |
| 14:33.04 | nsadmin | do you use adobe flash? |
| 14:33.11 | collabra | !fonts |
| 14:33.11 | dpkg | [fonts] Fonts available in Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
| 14:33.12 | wrksx | nsadmin, no |
| 14:33.33 | nsadmin | which flash do you use? |
| 14:33.38 | wrksx | nsadmin, I just use the flash plugin for iceweasel in non-free |
| 14:33.52 | nsadmin | oh, I think that is adobe flash |
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| 14:34.04 | wrksx | nsadmin, hum... |
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| 14:34.19 | debianus | Speaking of flash, can a linux box with flash become more vulnerable? |
| 14:34.33 | wrksx | nsadmin, thanks for your help I'll investigate further on the net about that. |
| 14:35.01 | debianus | I saw a lot of cross platform exploits but don't actually know what they do. |
| 14:35.03 | nsadmin | so as you're looking at going to 64b, when you use non-free binary-only things such as the flash player you mention, |
| 14:35.35 | wrksx | yes, |
| 14:36.02 | hkuieagle | !jekyll |
| 14:36.28 | nsadmin | if you can't get a native 64b version of that flash, you have to set up a 32b env within the 64b, and it's just kinda painful to get all that working just for flash |
| 14:37.01 | ebw | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 14:38.02 | wrksx | nsadmin, is there any reason for adobe not to publish linux things ? |
| 14:38.22 | thewanderer1 | no... but they once disabled amd64 Flash for a few months |
| 14:38.47 | thewanderer1 | besides that, everything is fine and amd64 Flash is currently working and up-to-date (somewhat) |
| 14:38.52 | nsadmin | so you could run it but it woulnd't work? |
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| 14:39.13 | thewanderer1 | you could run an old version with severe security holes or not run it at all :) |
| 14:39.39 | nsadmin | there's also no known reason (again, it's a question for them) -to- publish |
| 14:40.01 | thewanderer1 | (on forums.debian.net there are still traces of it - howtos describing installing 32-bit flash on a 64-bit system) |
| 14:40.20 | masterkorp | can i just download a deb package form squeeze repo and hope for the best ? |
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| 14:41.40 | thewanderer1 | masterkorp: check the dependencies. you're better off backporting it yourself (of course if it's not on backports.org already!) |
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| 14:42.26 | nsadmin | masterkorp: it's much less likely to work than would a backport that is build for your existing libs |
| 14:42.49 | JyZyXEL | is there a CLI alternative for Cutecom? |
| 14:42.49 | nsadmin | the backports one is off by 0.0.1 |
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| 14:43.03 | JyZyXEL | i need a console to talk to a UART device |
| 14:43.11 | wrksx | can someone help me to grab information about pining from dpkg ? |
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| 14:44.15 | masterkorp | i am already have backposrs repositories enabled, but i need the sqeeze repos for hplip 3.10.6 |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 14:44.22 | wrksx | it's ok I found it =) |
| 14:44.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 14:44.26 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: I thought Cutecom was supposed to be an alternative for minicom... |
| 14:44.35 | masterkorp | so, kust add the squeeze repos to my sources.list |
| 14:44.39 | masterkorp | ? |
| 14:45.12 | nsadmin | masterkorp: -only- squeeze -source- (i.e., deb-src, -not- deb) |
| 14:45.44 | JyZyXEL | minicom is way too complicated |
| 14:45.49 | JyZyXEL | i want something more easy to use |
| 14:46.04 | nsadmin | minicom is for plain serial communication |
| 14:46.04 | masterkorp | yep, i did that, so i am going to compile and hope for the best, because is a nice saturday i need to give my 67 mustang for a walk |
| 14:46.33 | nsadmin | I'll walk it! |
| 14:46.54 | pipeline | it's only safe at walking speeds anyway |
| 14:47.02 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: picocom is like minicom but with all the features removed |
| 14:47.19 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: 'tip' and 'cu' are also very simple serial clients, but picocom is probably a better choice |
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| 14:48.00 | masterkorp | nsadmin: no one rides my baby , nothing personal but i am the only one who puts the ass in the driver's seat period |
| 14:48.01 | wrksx | pinning is done in /etc/apt/preferences, so I suppose I got to create it if it doesn't already exists ? |
| 14:48.09 | JyZyXEL | pipeline: it just says Terminal ready and crashes |
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| 14:48.42 | abrotman | wrksx: why are you messing with pinning? |
| 14:48.56 | wrksx | abrotman, I installed a backported mysqlserver |
| 14:49.18 | wrksx | abrotman, so I wish it to get security updates and all |
| 14:49.29 | ebw | in slackware there is a mkinitrd script where you can specify the root-device, which keymap to load, which device is encrypted and if you want to use lvm and such things. Is there anything similar to that in debian? Initramfs doesn't seem to do the job if I understand the initramfs-tools manpages. |
| 14:49.33 | wrksx | abrotman, hope it's a good reason ! |
| 14:50.08 | nsadmin | masterkorp, so, how many uncommented nonblank lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:50.46 | masterkorp | http://pastebin.com/yicrDA0V |
| 14:50.59 | wrksx | abrotman, so what do you think about it ? i read this -> http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:51.01 | masterkorp | my sources.list |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | wrksx: you don't need pinning for the backports |
| 14:51.22 | nsadmin | ok, so copy line 5 |
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| 14:51.31 | nsadmin | change the deb to deb-src |
| 14:51.50 | nsadmin | change the lenny to squeeze |
| 14:52.00 | wrksx | abrotman, so the instructions I read were outdated ? (Get packages upgraded from backports.debian.org (Recommended!)) |
| 14:52.12 | themill | wrksx: no, you should do that. |
| 14:52.20 | nsadmin | save the file |
| 14:52.23 | masterkorp | nsadmin: and it is |
| 14:52.28 | wrksx | themill, mean use pinning ? |
| 14:52.39 | nsadmin | since you changed sources.list, you'll need to aptitude update |
| 14:52.44 | themill | wrksx: yes. You should do exactly what those instructions tell you to do |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | they're backports .. they don't really get timely security updates anyway .. |
| 14:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: The backports site recommends pinnit @ 200. |
| 14:53.03 | jhutchins_lt | pinning even. |
| 14:53.13 | wrksx | themill, ok I'll do thank you |
| 14:53.48 | themill | abrotman: they get pretty good security support -- and that has become even better since it has been relocated. |
| 14:53.56 | masterkorp | nsadmin: i know, i am not that noob :D |
| 14:54.23 | nsadmin | ok, apt-get build-dep hplip |
| 14:54.39 | abrotman | themill: i'm just saying it's not at the same level as the normal stuff |
| 14:54.48 | themill | true. |
| 14:55.03 | nsadmin | that brings in tools and libs needed to build hplip |
| 14:56.48 | masterkorp | nsadmin: btw why do you like making reference to aptitude? personal preference or just to vary ? :D |
| 14:57.26 | nsadmin | it's recommended for lenny; I don't know what aptitude command gets sources or build deps |
| 14:57.42 | nsadmin | so for that I would quote apt-get |
| 14:58.44 | masterkorp | so, i need the package libudev-dev |
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| 14:59.12 | nsadmin | is it installing that? |
| 14:59.50 | masterkorp | nsadmin: no, i stoped build because of this dependecy (package not found) |
| 15:00.03 | masterkorp | i am think that i am going to have a problem |
| 15:00.06 | nsadmin | it could be the squeeze/sid version needs other things, we'll get to that |
| 15:00.28 | nsadmin | try this... apt-get build-dep libudev |
| 15:00.49 | masterkorp | maybe hplip requires a newer version of udev and upgrading udev to a testing version. .. hmm, sounds like a problem |
| 15:00.52 | nsadmin | this may not be so simple after all |
| 15:01.06 | masterkorp | already tried, it needs newer version |
| 15:01.18 | masterkorp | just what i tought |
| 15:01.27 | nsadmin | ok, let's see |
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| 15:01.34 | nsadmin | , versions libudev |
| 15:01.35 | masterkorp | houston i've got a problem |
| 15:01.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libudev' was found in i386. |
| 15:01.40 | nsadmin | , versions libudev-dev |
| 15:01.41 | judd | Package libudev-dev on i386 -- sid: 164-2; squeeze: 164-2 |
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| 15:02.01 | masterkorp | judd: strange indeed |
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| 15:03.01 | bob489 | hi, trying to get the vbox ose to work on squeeze⦠i left out the source package, so the build failed⦠now i can't uninstall it cause it is searching for scripts in init.d ⦠to unload the modules that failed to build and etc. dpkg âpurge didn't help.. what's next? |
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| 15:03.29 | nsadmin | so if we were to build and install libudev on your lenny, at least it won't overwrite an older one |
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| 15:04.50 | masterkorp | nsadmin: so what to do ? |
| 15:05.03 | masterkorp | why does it say that need a newer version ' |
| 15:05.05 | masterkorp | ? |
| 15:06.12 | nsadmin | you mean how your printer needs a newer hplip? |
| 15:06.49 | masterkorp | no, why hplip need acan't find libudev-dev |
| 15:06.51 | masterkorp | ? |
| 15:07.23 | masterkorp | and why apt-get build-dep libudev-dev needs a newer version ? |
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| 15:07.44 | masterkorp | it does not make sense (at least for me) i am confused |
| 15:08.26 | robin_sz | so .. I have a Radeon 2400 card, 2 monitors .. I run xrandr -q and it only seems to find one of them ... windows finds then both |
| 15:08.49 | robin_sz | doe I need to do somethign special to get xrandr to see the other monitor? |
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| 15:09.06 | thewanderer1 | afaik, all connected displays should be recognized automagically |
| 15:09.31 | cahoot | no proprietary driver involved? |
| 15:09.42 | thewanderer1 | hm. this, I don't know... |
| 15:09.51 | masterkorp | so any help ? |
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| 15:10.12 | thewanderer1 | 2 displays worked for me with intel GPU, no idea about radeon |
| 15:10.28 | cahoot | no proprietary driver involved? robin_sz |
| 15:10.33 | emerson | Hi I need a help to compile in small pascal program using gpc |
| 15:10.42 | robin_sz | cahoot, not as far as I know |
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| 15:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: You may need to set up an xorg.conf to get the second screen. |
| 15:11.21 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: I'd say a google search of something like "xorg radeon 2400 dual screen" would be useful. |
| 15:11.24 | nsadmin | the build-dep thing, is because the package doesn't exist in lenny |
| 15:11.28 | thewanderer1 | strange, on Intel graphics I could just connect two displays and run them without xorg.conf |
| 15:11.29 | robin_sz | jhutchins_lt, i thought xrandr was independent of your xorg settings .. infact you used it to find the names etc to put in xorg.conf? |
| 15:11.33 | nsadmin | we can try to build that lib |
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| 15:12.24 | masterkorp | nsadmin: so i need to add more squezze repos right ? like this ? : http://pastebin.com/RBes08Ag |
| 15:12.39 | nsadmin | let's see |
| 15:13.15 | nsadmin | I'd say not line 12 |
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| 15:13.38 | nsadmin | but either way... update, then do this: |
| 15:13.51 | nsadmin | cd $HOME |
| 15:14.01 | nsadmin | mkdir hplip |
| 15:14.05 | nsadmin | cd hplip |
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| 15:14.25 | nsadmin | apt-get source libudev-dev |
| 15:14.26 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you could really write it down and paste somewhere |
| 15:14.26 | robin_sz | oh well, xconfig is always complicated |
| 15:14.27 | nsadmin | try that |
| 15:14.32 | masterkorp | you can just say "make a dir for hplip " :) |
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| 15:16.10 | masterkorp | nsadmin: yes i've got the source |
| 15:16.29 | nsadmin | ok, cd in there, |
| 15:16.42 | nsadmin | hplip-something |
| 15:16.44 | DarkStar0928 | apt-get install gimp |
| 15:16.52 | DarkStar0928 | leave |
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| 15:17.19 | nsadmin | then, less debian/control |
| 15:17.20 | masterkorp | nsadmin: hplip-somthing ? |
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| 15:17.43 | nsadmin | you should have a dir hplip-somethign |
| 15:17.43 | enth | Is there any way to make rxvt use hex colors? 'rxvt -fg #9C9C9C -bg #333333' or something similar. Maybe there is something other than RXVT that I should be using. |
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| 15:19.23 | masterkorp | oh, you mean apt-get source hplip ? instead of apt-get source libudev-dev |
| 15:19.32 | nsadmin | nono |
| 15:19.44 | nsadmin | oh, right, oops |
| 15:19.57 | nsadmin | so cd libudev<tab> |
| 15:20.10 | jelly-hme | enth: that works for me. |
| 15:20.10 | masterkorp | yes finally makes sense :D |
| 15:20.34 | nsadmin | oh it's called udev-163 |
| 15:20.51 | cahoot | enth: like here? http://ztatlock.blogspot.com/2009/02/configuring-urxvt.html |
| 15:20.55 | masterkorp | actualy is 164 |
| 15:21.10 | jelly-hme | enth: note that in Debian /usr/bin/rxvt is a symlink that may point to different alternatives/builds of rxvt. rxvt-xterm works just fine with that syntax. |
| 15:21.23 | masterkorp | so let's compile this ? |
| 15:21.34 | nsadmin | I'm looking at the build depends |
| 15:21.36 | nsadmin | it's a long list |
| 15:21.52 | themill | wait.... are you trying to backport udev here? |
| 15:22.13 | nsadmin | well it seems to be required by hplip |
| 15:22.14 | masterkorp | themill: pretty dangerous thing uh ? |
| 15:22.19 | nsadmin | of the version he needs |
| 15:22.40 | themill | don't do that. The version of udev in squeeze is incompatible with the lenny kernel, or starters. |
| 15:23.04 | nsadmin | ok, I kinda thought this might be a bad road |
| 15:23.08 | masterkorp | themill: yay! i only hear god news today ! |
| 15:23.20 | masterkorp | *good |
| 15:23.21 | nsadmin | so... upgrade to squeeze? |
| 15:23.27 | masterkorp | nsadmin: nah |
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| 15:23.43 | enth | It's not working on my end with that for some reason. |
| 15:23.46 | NeonLightning | i just reinstalled lastnight and haven't turned off my pc till now but every time i tried signing in it would just go black for a sec then go back to gdm till i went to a tty killed gdm and ran startx |
| 15:23.48 | masterkorp | so, this finally have logic |
| 15:24.15 | jelly-hme | enth: which debian release are you using? what do /usr/bin/rxvt and /etc/alternatives/rxvt point to? |
| 15:24.25 | themill | masterkorp: what version of hplip do you need? |
| 15:24.29 | nsadmin | masterkorp: here's a suggested way of going |
| 15:24.39 | nsadmin | the one in squeezr/sid |
| 15:25.07 | masterkorp | that's why i couldn't install hplip from sourceforge, the error state 101 were the hotplub problems, so udev problem |
| 15:25.12 | nsadmin | get a relatively small machine with ethernet and usb, put squeeze on it |
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| 15:25.23 | nsadmin | install the hplip |
| 15:25.28 | nsadmin | configure the printer |
| 15:25.34 | nsadmin | make sure it prints from cups |
| 15:25.52 | nsadmin | and then arrange for cups to share the printer with the whole room |
| 15:26.02 | jelly-hme | enth: also, you might be using a silly shell that considers # character as beginning of a comment. try quoting the colors, '#9c9c9c' |
| 15:26.17 | masterkorp | themill: i need 3.10.6 at least ( just one version newer than actuall debian repos, how lucky is that ? |
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| 15:26.51 | masterkorp | themill: by this page : http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/photosmart/photosmart_b010_series.html |
| 15:26.57 | nsadmin | off by 0.0.1 from lenny-backports |
| 15:27.09 | enth | Aaah that did the trick. St!pit mistake, thanks. |
| 15:27.42 | themill | masterkorp: I presume that you've tested the bpo version already and it didn't work. |
| 15:28.01 | masterkorp | bpo = backport ? |
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| 15:28.13 | enth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.47 | themill | masterkorp: yes ("backports.org", literally) |
| 15:29.49 | jelly-hme | enth: I notice you're evading answering the Debian release question. If you're using a derived distro, ask not here but in the correct channel. |
| 15:30.14 | jelly-hme | or back in ##linux if there's no distro-specific channel |
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| 15:30.46 | enth | Oh, sorry. I'm using the armel release of emdebian. |
| 15:31.04 | nsadmin | themill: look at the available versions |
| 15:31.08 | seeker7 | i have installed mozilla-plugin-gnash and also gnash and still can not view videos on webpages |
| 15:31.10 | masterkorp | yes, the printer is detected, but it gives me an error state 101 and all jobs became pending |
| 15:31.11 | enth | I tried joining #emdebian but nobody was there. |
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| 15:31.29 | thewanderer1 | seeker7: you might have better results with swfdec |
| 15:31.39 | themill | nsadmin: meaning? |
| 15:32.01 | seeker7 | thewanderer1: ok just aptitude install swfdec? |
| 15:32.10 | thewanderer1 | and the mozilla plugin for it |
| 15:32.15 | enth | with some googling I can see that there is an irc for emdebian at irc.debian.net I'll head over there. |
| 15:32.17 | enth | thanks |
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| 15:32.27 | themill | masterkorp: OK. So you'll need to take the packaging for backports and merge it with the newer version in sid. |
| 15:32.46 | jelly-hme | enth: -fn 5x7 seems a reasonably small font |
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| 15:33.12 | masterkorp | themill: but this will require update udev right ? |
| 15:33.53 | themill | masterkorp: no, it shouldn't do. The packaging for backports has been adapted to fit what's already in lenny. |
| 15:33.58 | seeker7 | couldnt find a package by name of mozilla-plugin-swfdec |
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| 15:34.16 | nsadmin | this really depends on how much time you want to spend on this... this merging could work, but like any programming it is going to take time |
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| 15:34.38 | masterkorp | themill: so, i need to make a package for hplip in backports |
| 15:35.06 | nsadmin | maybe you can get the maint to build it |
| 15:35.23 | nsadmin | that's not likely to happen today either tho |
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| 15:35.39 | masterkorp | but today is a must |
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| 15:36.05 | nsadmin | then I would suggest a separate machine running squeeze |
| 15:36.26 | seeker7 | thewanderer1: installed swfdec and still can not view video |
| 15:36.43 | nsadmin | and you don't need to keep that setup forever |
| 15:36.45 | masterkorp | ok, i am going to talk to my client, i have a good printer that makes the same job, and i will explan the situation and aks if he wants to trade |
| 15:37.05 | wrksx | how could I search for recently modified files with the command line ? |
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| 15:38.04 | nsadmin | you could do it with find |
| 15:38.39 | __cool__ | wrksx: find . -type f -mtime -1 ... or -mmin -120 |
| 15:39.05 | wrksx | __cool__, oh thank you |
| 15:40.01 | JKL__ | __cool__: what does -mtime -1 do? |
| 15:40.35 | thewanderer1 | JKL__: `man find` :) |
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| 15:41.18 | JKL__ | thewanderer1: im reading it and doesnt get it |
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| 15:44.18 | thewanderer1 | JKL__: it finds files whose modification time is newer than N*24 hours ago |
| 15:44.29 | thewanderer1 | so "fresher than N days" |
| 15:45.09 | JKL__ | thewanderer1: I didnt read the numeric arguments part. after reading that part it makes much more sense :) |
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| 15:53.24 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 15:54.07 | gypsymauro | suppose I want to backup all the etc folder of my server (to keep configuration) and keep them somewhere, there is an easy way to achieve this? |
| 15:55.41 | somiaj | rsync? |
| 15:55.46 | somiaj | (there are other tools as well) |
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| 15:57.11 | abrotman | judd: info etckeeper --release lenny |
| 15:57.14 | judd | Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: store /etc in git, mercurial, or bzr. Version: 0.21; Size: 20.4k; Installed: 292k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ |
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| 15:58.27 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 15:59.23 | masterkorp | so i talked with him, and he said tha is ok, so i will replace the printer and investigate this with more time |
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| 16:00.34 | mariok | Hello guys. |
| 16:01.04 | mariok | I need a bit of support. I try again to get smb4k mounting my CIFS share as user. |
| 16:02.22 | mariok | I copied mount.cifs and umount.cifs from a terrible old debian system to /usr/local/bin and I want smb4k to use /usr/local/bin/mount.cifs instead of /sbin/mount.cifs because the /sbin/mount.cifs shipped with debian does not allow mounting CIFS shares as user. |
| 16:03.26 | mariok | a "type mount.cifs" in the shell gives me: mount.cifs is /usr/local/bin/mount.cifs |
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| 16:03.44 | mariok | thereforce the PATH variable is set correctly and the /usr/local/bin/mount.cifs is executable SUID-Root. |
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| 16:13.06 | johndoevodka | can GRUB load vmlinuz and initrd that reside on some other partition? |
| 16:13.56 | johndoevodka | i currently have two distros installed and grub is installed on one of them |
| 16:16.19 | cahoot | grub can hanled multiple os'es |
| 16:16.26 | cahoot | handle |
| 16:17.31 | nkuttler | johndoevodka: sure |
| 16:17.52 | johndoevodka | how? |
| 16:18.12 | cahoot | you say you already have 2? |
| 16:18.17 | johndoevodka | also i should probably uninstall the grub package on one of the distros so they dont fight with each other, right? |
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| 16:18.45 | masterkorp | now i am having a problem with my Deskjet F2187 |
| 16:18.49 | masterkorp | damm |
| 16:19.22 | reuss | i upgraded my php install on a debian testing, and now apache won't serve php - underway i was presented with a dialog which i dismissed by accident, asking to replace some config files -- is it possible to rerun the entire installation? |
| 16:19.26 | cahoot | johndoevodka: your grub is installed on the MBR - not? |
| 16:19.47 | johndoevodka | i believe so |
| 16:20.38 | cahoot | johndoevodka: don't attempt to uninstall it then - what do you pla to install atm? |
| 16:21.05 | johndoevodka | i have a debian squeeze install and an arch install |
| 16:21.30 | cahoot | and...? any actual problem? |
| 16:22.20 | johndoevodka | yes |
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| 16:22.32 | johndoevodka | its a major pita when one of the distros update the kernel |
| 16:22.43 | johndoevodka | i have to copy the new files over |
| 16:22.59 | cahoot | what files? |
| 16:23.12 | johndoevodka | the kernel ones |
| 16:23.26 | johndoevodka | vmlinuz and initrd, etc.. |
| 16:23.30 | reuss | how do you reconfigure a package? |
| 16:23.30 | cahoot | why? |
| 16:24.11 | johndoevodka | reuss: dpkg --configure <package name> |
| 16:24.22 | cahoot | using the same kernels for both os'es? |
| 16:24.35 | johndoevodka | no, they each have their own |
| 16:24.55 | reuss | it says package is already configured .. :( |
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| 16:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:26.20 | reuss | i don't have that commmand - i have a lot of others dpkg-* though |
| 16:26.36 | prism | hey all I configured mysql-server 5.1 a while ago, since then I have totally forgot my root pass and everything -- there is no important information on it |
| 16:26.49 | prism | would I just purge mysql-server and reinstall to set it back to how it was originally |
| 16:27.03 | stew | prism: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql root password |
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| 16:29.42 | stew | reuss: you don't have a "dpkg" command? are you sure? |
| 16:30.03 | stew | oh, you don't have dpkg-reconfigure? you must, but you'd run it as root |
| 16:30.09 | reuss | i have dpkg and others - just not dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:30.27 | reuss | oh, yeah - sorry .. i got it then |
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| 16:32.08 | reuss | blech, that didn't give any results |
| 16:32.38 | masterkorp | any help with my hp deskjet f2187 printer, cups says : Unable to start filter "foomatic-rip-hplip" - No such file or directory." |
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| 16:37.27 | mariok | is there a way to get smb4k to use /usr/local/bin/mount.cifs instead of /sbin/mount.cifs ? |
| 16:37.51 | mariok | or is there a known way to get /sbin/mount.cifs to mount CIFS-Shares as user? |
| 16:38.22 | nsadmin | maybe you can establish specific mounts in fstab |
| 16:38.46 | nsadmin | one particular share on one particular mount point could be done as a user |
| 16:38.59 | nsadmin | per line in fstab |
| 16:39.46 | mariok | of corse. I know that. |
| 16:39.57 | nsadmin | ok |
| 16:39.58 | mariok | I want to use smb4k to mount any share. |
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| 16:40.18 | mariok | I configured smb4k to mount a share to /home/<username>/mnt/<servername>/<sharename> |
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| 16:41.21 | mariok | this worked very well vor several month then suddenly after a update, it stopped working. I'm looking for a good solution since month and I'm wondering if Debian has found a solution for that known problem. |
| 16:41.58 | mariok | Today i tried to copy /sbin/mount.cifs and /sbin/umount.cifs from a terrible old Debian Installation into /usr/local/bin of my current debian installation. |
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| 16:42.14 | nsadmin | at the risk of screwing with debian packaging and all that entails (this is info you would be responsible for), you could back up the original /sbin/mount.cifs and copy the /usr/local one |
| 16:42.22 | mariok | a /usr/local/sbin/mount.cifs //server/share /home/<user>/mnt/<server>/<share> does work. |
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| 16:42.46 | mariok | But If I try to use smb4k then smb4k still uses /sbin/mount.cifs instead of /usr/local/sbin/mount.cifs |
| 16:43.09 | nsadmin | try reading what I just wrote again |
| 16:43.42 | mariok | to copy the old files over the new ones would solve the problem. of corse. |
| 16:43.49 | nsadmin | note, that when things get upgraded &etc, things might go wrong |
| 16:44.05 | nsadmin | notice I didn't say overwrite |
| 16:44.45 | nsadmin | but you would be overwriting the original (hopefully after you back up) |
| 16:45.51 | nsadmin | remember that if you do this, you're responsible to find out all the consequences and risks |
| 16:46.13 | mariok | the problem is: if Debian provies a new mount.cifs then the Installer overwrites the modieifed old /sbin/mount.cifs witht eh one in the new Debian package |
| 16:46.28 | mariok | risks? |
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| 16:46.37 | nsadmin | this is -not- a good idea, not only because plain users doing mounts is a security issue, but because you're messing with packaging |
| 16:46.37 | thewanderer1 | the correct way to replace files with customised ones is to use dpkg-divert |
| 16:46.47 | mariok | I have a few workstations and my users need to be able to mount Samba Shares. |
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| 16:47.14 | nsadmin | oh, there you go |
| 16:47.14 | mariok | thewanderer1: thanks for the tip. I'l have a look at it. |
| 16:47.43 | mariok | but why is mount.cifs not able to mount a share as a user? where is the risk? |
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| 16:48.08 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: Gnome and KDE both allow users to access samba shares without having to mount them; you can also mount them system-wide and you can use tools like automount. |
| 16:48.12 | mariok | I'm waiting for a solution for several month and there is no solution avaible now. |
| 16:48.16 | nsadmin | mounting and unmounting is changing the system for all users |
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| 16:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | mount does not allow users to mount or dismount by default. |
| 16:48.38 | nsadmin | changing the system for all users is reserved for admin users |
| 16:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a fuse module for cifs? |
| 16:49.00 | thewanderer1 | sure is |
| 16:49.09 | jhutchins_lt | so problem solved. |
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| 16:49.43 | mariok | mount.cifs didn't allow a user to mount a share to a mountpoint if the mountpoint is not owned by the user. |
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| 16:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: the fuse system allows users to mount devices and shares in their own filespace, if you really need that feature that's how it should be done. |
| 16:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: That is correct. |
| 16:50.06 | mariok | thereforace a user count mount //server/share to /home/user/mnt/server/share but not to /mnt because /mnt was owned by root |
| 16:50.07 | Gijs | Is it possible to only allow 1 IP to connect to a account? |
| 16:50.20 | Gijs | so if i got an account, only IP: 127.0.0.1 is allowed to connect to it |
| 16:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: Right. That's the way it's supposed to be. |
| 16:50.32 | mariok | s/count/could/g |
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| 16:50.49 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: connect to what service? |
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| 16:51.42 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: If you want something mounted to /mnt do it as root, either from fstab -auto or using automount. |
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| 16:52.05 | mariok | I don't want something mounted to /mnt |
| 16:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | mariok: You're missing the point. |
| 16:52.23 | mariok | I just mented that mount.cifs did not allow a user mount mount somthing to /mnt |
| 16:52.39 | Gijs | connect to SSH |
| 16:53.13 | nsadmin | you can probably restrict the acct in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
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| 16:53.41 | Gijs | doesnt exists. |
| 16:53.46 | nsadmin | you can probably restrict the acct in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:53.47 | nsadmin | :) |
| 16:53.55 | Gijs | ahh :P |
| 16:54.19 | Gijs | but how? |
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| 16:55.30 | nsadmin | man 5 sshd_config |
| 16:55.41 | cosmos2 | hello, Ihave an issue with java, X and lenny armel on Qtmoko, so after contacting the Processing irc, the qtmoko a couldn't still find a solution...maybe you can see what's wrong in the original script, http://pastebin.com/yXSRGUMk, and on the error script, http://pastebin.com/vDrR6rAv? |
| 16:56.14 | cosmos2 | even adding "export DISPLAY:0.0" I still get "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable." |
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| 16:56.30 | jhutchins_lt | !based on debian |
| 16:56.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:57.25 | cosmos2 | ok |
| 16:58.02 | schmoot | question: when installing OpenVZ in host machine, does it delete the stuff running there normally and I then have to add it in VM's, or just adds a new openvz function? |
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| 17:02.10 | jhutchins_lt | schmoot: 81 users in #openvz |
| 17:02.36 | schmoot | thanks, I had no idea :P |
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| 17:03.20 | schmoot | can't speak there tho |
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| 17:04.48 | thewanderer1 | schmoot: you need to register your nick with NickServ |
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| 17:05.09 | nsadmin | he's logged in |
| 17:05.28 | thewanderer1 | schmoot: I'm now running KDE on the HN running OpenVZ, playing 3d games, you know... it just extends the functionality. oh, and somewhat breaks IPv6 conntrack. |
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| 17:06.46 | schmoot | thewanderer1: so, when installing openvz you dont lose any of your data - you just get a new 'folder' in the machine, the rest remains intact? |
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| 17:07.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 17:07.40 | thewanderer1 | with all consequences of changing your kernel, of course |
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| 17:17.11 | jazotic | hmm. how should /etc/dpkg/buildflags.conf look like? CFLAGS=.. doesn't do and exporting them doesnt do either |
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| 17:19.24 | Andy_S | Hey there, could anyone help me with rebuilding mysql-server on squeeze? |
| 17:19.36 | Andy_S | i mean rebuilding apt-get source mysql-server |
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| 17:20.20 | jazotic | Andy_S, apt-get -b source mysql-server |
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| 17:21.06 | Andy_S | jazotic: i already have sources, i tried to recompile them with dpkg-buildpackage -b but i get a lot of errors |
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| 17:21.19 | Andy_S | even if i haven't applied any patches i need to apply |
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| 17:21.47 | Andy_S | http://pastebin.com/jeGP7uQh |
| 17:21.47 | jazotic | Andy_S, did you apt-get build-dep |
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| 17:21.51 | Andy_S | sure |
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| 17:22.02 | Andy_S | it fails on tests |
| 17:22.10 | Andy_S | after compiling |
| 17:22.15 | indrora_ | Anyone know why my box would shut down after just a while of idle? |
| 17:22.36 | Andy_S | indora: check logs |
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| 17:23.06 | indrora_ | Andy_S, Where would I check one |
| 17:23.20 | Andy_S | indrora_: /var/log/ |
| 17:23.22 | indrora_ | And How do I tell synaptic that I want to keep a bunch of packages? |
| 17:24.08 | indrora_ | I've removed a few packages that gnome-desktop-environment depended on, and now any package that isn't explicitly depended on synaptic wants to get rid of |
| 17:24.16 | indrora_ | like gdm3 and nautilus |
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| 17:25.33 | Andy_S | jazotic: any tips? |
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| 17:26.04 | Andy_S | indrora_: well, why don't you get those packages back? |
| 17:26.10 | jazotic | Andy_S, still on it. is there an mysql instance running? |
| 17:26.18 | Andy_S | jazotic: yes |
| 17:26.48 | jazotic | Andy_S, /etc/init.d/mysql stop, however, into the blue... |
| 17:27.12 | Andy_S | well, shouldn't be the problem, i've always recompiled packages while sql running |
| 17:27.13 | indrora_ | If I run Aptitude, they get removed |
| 17:27.23 | indrora_ | if I run synaptic, it doesn't care |
| 17:27.38 | Andy_S | and i cannot have that luxury of turning off the SQL server for an hour |
| 17:27.41 | indrora_ | if I run apt-get, I get a HUGE long shpiel about how they're not used anymore |
| 17:28.03 | Andy_S | indrora: why don't you get those packages YOU REMOVED back ? |
| 17:28.24 | jazotic | Andy_S, yeah, looks like it's running somewhere in a test environment. donno. |
| 17:28.35 | indrora_ | Because removing them will cause the system to be unbootable. |
| 17:28.42 | indrora_ | One of the packages is Grub |
| 17:28.46 | Andy_S | jazotic: precisely |
| 17:29.18 | Andy_S | indrora_: again, GET BACK THOSE PACKAGES YOU REMOVED, not to remove those "unused" packages |
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| 17:29.32 | indrora_ | Those packages are metapackages |
| 17:29.49 | indrora_ | !dpkg gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:29.59 | indrora_ | ? |
| 17:30.04 | indrora_ | *grumble* |
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| 17:30.15 | collabra | !gdm |
| 17:30.16 | dpkg | gdm is probably the <GNOME> Display Manager, a <display manager> based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>. |
| 17:31.07 | collabra | indrora_: sorry.... |
| 17:31.11 | indrora_ | Its ok |
| 17:31.27 | indrora_ | But yeah, I removed Abiword, which resulted in gnome-desktop-environment going away |
| 17:31.41 | indrora_ | so any package that gnome-desktop-environment depends on is marked as obsolete |
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| 17:32.06 | Delaya | just installed a fresh version of squeeze-amd64, but it came only with the standard packages without a desktop environment. The therefore only booths into a tile without any interface or gui. any suggestions what i should to to setup xorg with gnome-core? |
| 17:32.20 | Andy_S | aptitude reinstall g-d-e ? |
| 17:32.41 | Andy_S | (to indrora_) |
| 17:32.51 | chrissbx | Does anyone know what daemon process changes screen setup (internal/external monitor setup in X, also xmodmap setting), in testing? |
| 17:32.52 | indrora_ | What'll that do? |
| 17:33.02 | Andy_S | reinstall g-d-e ? |
| 17:33.07 | indrora_ | Yeah |
| 17:33.08 | chrissbx | It randomly changes my internal/external settings all the time. |
| 17:33.18 | un214 | "apt is not installed on this system. You can install it by running apt-get install apt" |
| 17:33.38 | indrora_ | chrissbx, screen setup is done at init time by console-setup |
| 17:33.43 | Andy_S | un214: aptitude ? |
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| 17:33.55 | un214 | no |
| 17:33.57 | chrissbx | indrora_: something that changes them *while I am in X* |
| 17:34.01 | mariok | good bye |
| 17:34.03 | Andy_S | un214: dpkg ? |
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| 17:34.11 | indrora_ | chrissbx, There isn't anything. |
| 17:34.13 | un214 | probably hosed path |
| 17:34.14 | indrora_ | Except X. |
| 17:34.29 | Andy_S | un214: do you have dpkg ? |
| 17:34.36 | un214 | apt-get is there |
| 17:34.44 | chrissbx | indrora_: like, every 30 minutes or so there is a phase of it changing stuff every 5 seconds about 5 times. |
| 17:34.46 | un214 | dpkg is there |
| 17:34.46 | dpkg | un214: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:35.02 | indrora_ | chrissbx, Sounds like a hardware problem. |
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| 17:35.17 | un214 | PATH=/sbin |
| 17:35.18 | Andy_S | un214: so... if you have apt-get, whats the problem ? |
| 17:35.29 | chrissbx | indrora_: it only happens when I have the external monitor attached and the lid is closed. |
| 17:35.32 | Andy_S | i c |
| 17:35.50 | indrora_ | chrissbx, don't close the lid. |
| 17:35.52 | indrora_ | Simple fix. |
| 17:35.53 | Andy_S | for me: $PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 17:35.56 | chrissbx | indrora_: haha |
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| 17:36.03 | anoob | hi, my network interface is going up at the boot time... how could i disable it? |
| 17:36.04 | indrora_ | chrissbx, its not a problem with debian |
| 17:36.09 | chrissbx | indrora_: in any case there are some events, where are these routed? |
| 17:36.18 | chrissbx | indrora_: why would you know |
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| 17:36.40 | indrora_ | chrissbx, Because I have an external monitor hooked up to my box and the lid closed. |
| 17:36.50 | Andy_S | anoob: vim /etc/network/interfaces remove "eth0" (or whatever iface you want to disable) from the line begining with AUTO |
| 17:36.59 | chrissbx | indrora_: which version of Debian, which display hardware? |
| 17:37.09 | indrora_ | chrissbx, As well, there are no daemons (other than vendor daemons) that modify gfx settings |
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| 17:37.14 | indrora_ | Squeeze, nVidia |
| 17:37.23 | chrissbx | indrora_: I've got intel. |
| 17:37.31 | indrora_ | That explains it. |
| 17:37.36 | chrissbx | what? |
| 17:37.47 | anoob | http://pastebin.com/rFmVuD3N |
| 17:37.50 | indrora_ | intel chipsets don't play nice? |
| 17:37.54 | anoob | Andy_S, http://pastebin.com/rFmVuD3N |
| 17:37.55 | Andy_S | anything on mine problem with sql ? |
| 17:37.58 | boodie | Hi, how do I mount an external USB HD, by using the information from dmesg? Thanx |
| 17:38.15 | anoob | i need to disable eth0 Andy_S |
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| 17:38.55 | Andy_S | boodie: from dmesg? elaborate pls |
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| 17:39.08 | Andy_S | anoob: # all lines mentioning eth0 |
| 17:39.55 | collabra | anoob: if you have a network-manager running on login to say gnome or kde,... it will still connect on startup,... |
| 17:40.01 | Delaya | just installed a fresh version of squeeze-amd64, but it came only with the standard packages without a desktop environment. The therefore only booths into a tile without any interface or gui. any suggestions what i should to to setup xorg with gnome-core? |
| 17:40.04 | chrissbx | indrora_: not sure you're a clown or what. So you're not saying the hardware is broken mechanically, but just designed badly. Now, considering I can still change settings back, someone must have changed them, software side. So, there will be a software fix. |
| 17:40.25 | Andy_S | collabra: ah... true... gui... right... |
| 17:40.46 | indrora_ | chrissbx, the hardware can tell X "I want to play at xxx resolution" |
| 17:40.51 | Andy_S | Delaya: you downloaded "netinstall" right... |
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| 17:41.17 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/100312/ |
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| 17:41.36 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell Delaya about install gnome |
| 17:41.37 | indrora_ | chrissbx, when intel chipsets see a closed lid, they after some amount of time change the resolution to save power. |
| 17:41.49 | Andy_S | boodie: faulty drive |
| 17:41.54 | indrora_ | its cheaper power-wise to drive at 800x600 than at 1200x768 |
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| 17:42.20 | chrissbx | I'm on AC/DC. |
| 17:42.21 | boodie | Andy_S: I suspected it |
| 17:42.36 | chrissbx | on AC that is. |
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| 17:42.51 | indrora_ | There is no daemon that would change the resolution |
| 17:42.52 | Andy_S | boodie: dismantle the drive and hook the drive itself onto sata directly |
| 17:43.02 | indrora_ | X doesn't arbitrarily change resolution either |
| 17:43.06 | Andy_S | i'm on Trance |
| 17:43.08 | Andy_S | :-P |
| 17:43.14 | Andy_S | anything on mine problem with sql ? |
| 17:43.30 | boodie | Andy_S: I think I'll take it back to the shop |
| 17:43.40 | Andy_S | you can |
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| 17:43.52 | Andy_S | but first check it on another computer |
| 17:43.58 | jhutchins_lt2 | indrora_: I've never seen a resolution change. |
| 17:44.06 | Andy_S | you just might have faulty USB controller on mobo |
| 17:44.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | indrora_: Brightness yes, resolution no. |
| 17:44.21 | indrora_ | jhutchins_lt2, I've seen it on a few netbooks. |
| 17:44.40 | indrora_ | chrissbx, is this a netbook? |
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| 17:44.54 | boodie | Who knows ... It always happen whenever I need the fuckin hardware to work |
| 17:45.00 | chrissbx | indrora_: no. Compaq nc2400. |
| 17:45.30 | chrissbx | An ultraportable, not netbook. |
| 17:45.38 | Andy_S | anyone? :( http://pastebin.com/jeGP7uQh |
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| 17:45.46 | indrora_ | it sounds like the Intel chipset is going "I hate your resolution!" |
| 17:46.00 | indrora_ | and X is going "Okay." |
| 17:46.15 | Andy_S | haters gonna hate |
| 17:46.38 | chrissbx | indrora_: do you have a reference for an api of hardware telling such changes? |
| 17:46.39 | Andy_S | and intel's gonna... well... screw |
| 17:47.40 | indrora_ | chrissbx, check your Xorg.log files |
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| 17:50.13 | Delaya | Andy_S: well its a full CD |
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| 17:50.20 | Delaya | Andy_S: 648MB |
| 17:50.37 | Delaya | Andy_S: only the standard packages, the mail server and ssh server |
| 17:50.41 | Andy_S | well, whole system is on 3DVD |
| 17:50.46 | Delaya | Andy_S: no desktop environment |
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| 17:50.59 | Andy_S | so you haven't selected during install "desktop environment" ? |
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| 17:51.31 | Delaya | Andy_S: nope |
| 17:51.36 | Delaya | Andy_S: it wasnt and option |
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| 17:52.08 | Andy_S | really? there weren't no 5 or 6 checkboxes with two checkboxes checked? |
| 17:52.27 | chrissbx | (well my Xorg.log contains (II) PM Event received: Capability Changed \n I830PMEvent: Capability change) |
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| 17:54.09 | Delaya | Andy_S: 3 checkbozes with 1 checked |
| 17:54.16 | Andy_S | named |
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| 17:54.31 | Delaya | Andy_S: standard utilities |
| 17:54.43 | Andy_S | and other 2? |
| 17:55.02 | NeonLightning | for some reason every time i unplug my ac adapter it says my battery is critically low and goes into standby. thing is. its not low i can turn it back on and keep using it just fine untill the battery normally dies. any suggestions on what i can do. i have had this issue with ubuntu and the only way i was able to fix it was to break my powermanager so it did nothing when at critical |
| 17:55.40 | Delaya | Andy_S: ssh and mail server |
| 17:56.16 | Andy_S | show me what exactly you downloaded |
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| 17:57.14 | Andy_S | i might know that already... |
| 17:57.15 | Delaya | Andy_S: anyway u know how to set up the desktop-environment |
| 17:57.29 | shalok | How do I set different wallpapers on each of my desktops in KDE? |
| 17:57.56 | Delaya | Andy_S: its beta1 installer of latex 650MB squeeze |
| 17:58.02 | Delaya | Andy_S: cd1 iso |
| 17:58.06 | Andy_S | well |
| 17:58.08 | Andy_S | try dvd1 |
| 17:58.12 | Andy_S | or netinstall |
| 17:58.33 | Andy_S | i never used whole cd distros |
| 17:58.38 | Andy_S | always netinstall |
| 17:58.51 | Andy_S | and there was several options |
| 17:58.54 | Andy_S | *were |
| 17:59.07 | Andy_S | anything on mine problem with sql ? http://pastebin.com/jeGP7uQh |
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| 18:01.07 | jhutchins_lt2 | shalok: configure desktop. If lenny then just right-click the desktop. |
| 18:02.20 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Is this lenny? |
| 18:02.26 | Andy_S | squeeze |
| 18:02.41 | Andy_S | no modification to sources |
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| 18:02.50 | Andy_S | latest available packages |
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| 18:03.57 | miasma | hmm.. is there any way to make apt install applications while it's still fetching? e.g. if I tell it to install 800 packages and the last one is a 500 MB download (some game), would be nice to be able to install the first 799 packages while downloading the last one |
| 18:04.18 | Andy_S | miasma: well, there is |
| 18:04.27 | miasma | the default behavior just seems ineffective |
| 18:04.30 | Andy_S | apt-get only those 799 and wget the last one |
| 18:04.34 | miasma | lol ? |
| 18:04.38 | Andy_S | then dpkg it |
| 18:04.47 | miasma | why not automate it? |
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| 18:05.03 | thewanderer1 | post it to apt's wishlist |
| 18:05.04 | chrissbx | Anyone knows how to create fake PM (powermanager?) events? |
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| 18:05.10 | karlpinc | miasma: In other words, no. |
| 18:05.14 | miasma | ok. thanks |
| 18:05.22 | miasma | i just find this suprising. e.g. gentoo does that happily |
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| 18:06.10 | karlpinc | miasma: It may have to do with not installing things until dependencies are available, or not. You could always send a patch for aptitude. :) |
| 18:06.13 | f8l | miasma: I had this idea couple of years ago, but I think there is a reason why it's like that. |
| 18:06.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Well, I guess you know now why it's called "testing". What were you trying to do? |
| 18:06.45 | miasma | f8l: in general it should be possible. it might be some apt related problem that is preventing that |
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| 18:07.45 | anoob | Andy_S, thank you... that worked! |
| 18:07.56 | Andy_S | jhutchins_lt2: i need to add some patch into that, it gave me errors, thus i tried to dpkg-buildpackages without the patch, you see the result |
| 18:08.06 | jhutchins_lt2 | miasma: I think the assumption is that you want _all_ the packages, and if something fails during download it could break dependencies, so it waits until it's all downloaded. |
| 18:08.09 | Andy_S | anoob: erm... MEM LEAK DETECTED... what worked ? |
| 18:08.10 | chrissbx | I'm getting these "PM Event received: capability changed" messages in Xorg.log, and would like to get X to ignore them, any idea how to do that? |
| 18:08.17 | simonrvn | it's what karlpinc said, deps |
| 18:08.25 | jhutchins_lt2 | miasma: In gentoo you know it's going to break anyway, so it doesn't matter <grin>. |
| 18:09.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: So this isn't a problem with the squeeze packages, it's a problem trying to modify one. |
| 18:09.02 | Andy_S | anoob: history worked. NP |
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| 18:09.05 | miasma | jhutchins_lt2: if you do some kind of topological sort when installing packages, it shouldn't break anything. |
| 18:09.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | miasma: Well, aptitude will do that on a major install like an upgrade. Download, install, download some more. |
| 18:09.41 | anoob | Andy_S, i'm talking about my interface going up at the boot time |
| 18:09.48 | Andy_S | jhutchins_lt2: again - no. "i tried to dpkg-buildpackages without the patch" - eg just apt-get source mysql-server && dpkg-buildpackages |
| 18:09.48 | anoob | PS: sorry about my english |
| 18:09.52 | simonrvn | libapt already does a sort, so it shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:09.53 | Andy_S | anoob: yep |
| 18:10.12 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Looks like somehting must be missing. |
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| 18:10.21 | Andy_S | such as? |
| 18:10.29 | f8l | miasma: Every time APT is run it sets a flag that prevents other package managers from messing up the APT's state. I can't see the reason why downloading and installing are not parallelised. |
| 18:10.39 | miasma | jhutchins_lt2: it's not exactly the same. and i can assure you that feature doesn't make gentoo break :D |
| 18:10.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | miasma: No, of course not, gentoo is already broken. |
| 18:11.05 | miasma | f8l: what's the reason? |
| 18:11.13 | simonrvn | would be nice if dpkg would also do a bit of sorting, but it's lower level tool, and would bloat it even more.... |
| 18:11.19 | anoob | is there a directory to put my shell scripts? i'm talking about a pattern |
| 18:11.33 | un214 | ~/scripts? |
| 18:11.37 | karlpinc | anoob: /usr/local/bin? |
| 18:11.46 | un214 | /usr/share/bin? |
| 18:11.48 | Andy_S | anoob: echo $PATH |
| 18:11.51 | un214 | /usr/local/share/bin |
| 18:11.54 | thewanderer1 | anoob: if it's about users' scripts, ~/bin is at the top of my head |
| 18:11.55 | jhutchins_lt2 | scripts in bin? |
| 18:11.55 | simonrvn | /usr/local/bin ? ~/bin ? |
| 18:11.59 | karlpinc | un214: No. See the FHS. |
| 18:12.02 | anoob | i'm talking about scripts that root will call |
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| 18:12.15 | thewanderer1 | anoob: then it's in /usr/local/sbin |
| 18:12.16 | jelly-hme | anoob: /usr/local/sbin, then |
| 18:12.19 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt2: Sure, so long as they're executable that's (usually) where they belong. |
| 18:12.23 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 18:12.23 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 18:12.26 | anoob | i've put it in /usr/bin/ |
| 18:12.42 | karlpinc | anoob: Probably not a good idea unless you package it. |
| 18:12.44 | thewanderer1 | anoob: /usr/bin is supposed to hold your distro's stuff |
| 18:12.57 | karlpinc | !make your own .deb |
| 18:12.57 | dpkg | Make your own .deb from source by reading "man 5 deb-control", compiling and installing into a temporary location (mkdir -p /tmp/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/tmp/mypackage), using "dpkg -b /tmp/mypackage" to make a .deb, and using <gdebi> to install your new package. Use ldd if you want to play it safe and add dependencies to your control file. |
| 18:12.58 | anoob | i see thewanderer1 |
| 18:13.16 | Andy_S | jhutchins_lt2: such as? what could be missing? it compiles OK but then it fails on testing |
| 18:13.28 | anoob | it's just a script to connect |
| 18:13.36 | anoob | i don't want to pack it |
| 18:13.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Could be a user/password mismatch. |
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| 18:14.09 | Andy_S | user/password for what ? |
| 18:14.11 | anoob | so, /usr/local/sbin/ could be a good place to it |
| 18:14.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: I'd take a look at what's actually failing - says failed to connect - and see if the documentation explains what's going on at that point. |
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| 18:15.05 | shalok | jhutchins, Nah, I'm running unstable. |
| 18:15.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Remember that while it's important to actually read the error messages and undestand what they tell you, they sometimes get misdirected by an earlier problem causing the reported error. |
| 18:15.29 | Andy_S | jhutchins_lt2: i thought that if i download sources for working packages it should work :( |
| 18:15.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Provided you follow the instructions, and provided the packages are from stable, it should. |
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| 18:16.10 | Andy_S | :( i c |
| 18:16.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: In testing, anything is possible, that's the point. |
| 18:16.30 | Andy_S | crappity crap :( right what i need quite ... alot :( |
| 18:16.40 | Andy_S | damn SQL with its 16char username :-! |
| 18:16.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: I'd give the /usr/share/doc/mysql stuff a good read. |
| 18:17.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Also any docs included with the source. |
| 18:17.18 | Andy_S | well... |
| 18:17.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Mysql has always just worked for me... |
| 18:17.31 | Andy_S | it does to me too |
| 18:17.42 | Andy_S | but i need more than 16 chars for username |
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| 18:18.12 | jelly-hme | that is an unusual requirement |
| 18:18.15 | f8l | miasma: I've said: "I can't see the reason...". Maybe we should ask APT's developers? |
| 18:18.31 | Andy_S | jelly-hme: really? why so? |
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| 18:19.03 | miasma | f8l: that's probably more productive than guessing randomly |
| 18:19.04 | g0rd0n | my sytem is pretty slow when resolving hostnames... what could be the problem= |
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| 18:19.08 | g0rd0n | ? |
| 18:19.13 | karlpinc | prefers postgresql |
| 18:19.14 | Andy_S | jelly-hme: if you are webhoster providing FQDN as username... |
| 18:19.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | g0rd0n: ipv6? |
| 18:19.37 | jordanm | g0rd0n: the DNS resolves you are using? avahi mdns? |
| 18:19.40 | g0rd0n | jhutchins_lt2: nope, ipv4 |
| 18:20.05 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: let me turn that around: I work for a service provider with some 5-10k webhosting users, and I haven't heard anyone "needing" >16 character usernames |
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| 18:20.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | g0rd0n: That's what I mean, having ipv6 enabled on ipv4 connections often causes slow lookups or time-outs. |
| 18:20.33 | Andy_S | jelly-hme: what do you use for SQL username then ? |
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| 18:20.41 | Andy_S | jelly-hme: (an example pls) |
| 18:20.42 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: a username. |
| 18:20.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | g0rd0n: I don't know if debian has fixed that, but it's one of the first things to fix on recent distros. |
| 18:20.58 | jordanm | Andy_S: you can use their domain... cut-off at the character limit |
| 18:21.06 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: foobar01 |
| 18:21.09 | Andy_S | if i have fqdn myunexpectedlyverylongnamedomain.com |
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| 18:21.11 | g0rd0n | jhutchins_lt2: ok thanks ill have a look |
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| 18:21.34 | jordanm | Andy_S: so make it myunexpectedlyve |
| 18:21.36 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: usually based on the customer's name |
| 18:21.41 | Andy_S | jordanm: not possible, you meet two customers with similar domain... |
| 18:21.54 | jordanm | Andy_S: so make it myunexpectedlyv1 |
| 18:22.01 | Andy_S | jelly-hme what if one customer wants to have more than one domain ? |
| 18:22.15 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: foobar02. disconnect the username from the fqdn. What do you do if a username wants multiple databases? |
| 18:22.25 | Andy_S | jordanm: and the customer begins to ask "why the 1?" or 5? |
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| 18:22.41 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: because that's what we give them. |
| 18:22.45 | Andy_S | jelly-hme: then its okay to add _2 to FQDN |
| 18:22.54 | Andy_S | ah... you give... |
| 18:22.59 | Andy_S | okay then |
| 18:23.08 | Andy_S | our policy is "our customer, our boss" |
| 18:23.30 | jelly-hme | ours don't get to choose the username |
| 18:23.43 | jordanm | Andy_S: like your boss, your customers probbably don't know how to admin a linux environment |
| 18:23.57 | Andy_S | ours don't neither... they get domain_tld |
| 18:24.11 | karlpinc | wonders if mysql will do pam, solving the problem. |
| 18:24.12 | Andy_S | jordanm: well, that patch is pretty simple |
| 18:24.33 | Andy_S | or WOULD BE if i would be able to recompile UNPATCHED mysql-server :( |
| 18:24.51 | jordanm | Andy_S: wh wouldn't you be able to? |
| 18:25.25 | Andy_S | i am not able to dpkg-buildpackage apt-getted source of mysql-server |
| 18:25.34 | jordanm | !errors |
| 18:25.34 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 18:25.43 | mutante | Debian 5.0.4 VM on VMware ESXi4, 1 GB of RAM, apache/php/mysql, used to run fine, now keeps completely freezing, where the only option is to power off/on the VM. the last message on the console included "mysql" and "out of memory". after power cycle it runs again for some hours or days, then happens again. |
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| 18:26.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | jordanm: He gave us the full error report earlier, it's not connecting during the test phase. |
| 18:26.51 | jordanm | mutante: I would bet on some really fail queries, stacking up |
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| 18:27.17 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt2: do you have the link handy so I don't have to parse a ton of scrollback? |
| 18:27.33 | Andy_S | http://pastebin.com/jeGP7uQh |
| 18:27.34 | Kobaz | anyone know how would i get a list of apps using inotify, and how many handles they have open? |
| 18:28.00 | abrotman | mutante: is there any swap? how much RAM is being used? |
| 18:28.20 | jordanm | Andy_S: full build log please |
| 18:28.31 | Andy_S | and - if anyone wants - there is the patch http://pastebin.com/5g9mjkqt |
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| 18:28.56 | Andy_S | jordanm: will provide as soon as the recompile finishes (it is running for almost an hour now) |
| 18:29.23 | jordanm | Andy_S: but at this point that patch is not applied, right? |
| 18:29.25 | Andy_S | well, it is testing already, so it shouldn't take much more time |
| 18:29.29 | Andy_S | nope |
| 18:29.52 | Andy_S | jordanm: now i am compiling plain sources from apt |
| 18:30.06 | Andy_S | that was the first thing i've tried |
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| 18:30.55 | mutante | abrotman: now that its running http://paste.debian.net/100317/ |
| 18:31.16 | Andy_S | tests@S |
| 18:32.30 | abrotman | mutante: so you have 1GB RAM adn 1.5GB swap ? |
| 18:34.35 | mutante | abrotman: hmm, it says that in meminfo, but there is no swap partition in "df -h" if you refer to that |
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| 18:35.03 | abrotman | swapon ? |
| 18:35.16 | Andy_S | :-)) |
| 18:35.32 | Andy_S | swapon won't help if there isn't partition for swap |
| 18:35.36 | jordanm | mutante: does it appear in free? |
| 18:35.55 | mutante | /etc/fstab /dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 18:36.17 | mutante | free: Swap: 1494004 0 1494004 |
| 18:36.22 | Andy_S | and df ? |
| 18:37.02 | jelly-hme | Andy_S, mutante: df doesn't show swap information |
| 18:37.21 | Andy_S | then i'd take a look why it isn't mounted |
| 18:37.38 | jordanm | because swap is not mounted? and it is being used? |
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| 18:38.06 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.08 | cahoot | Kobaz: looked at inotifywatch already? |
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| 18:38.54 | jelly-hme | Andy_S: I mean, df never shows it. It's not used for that, swap isn't a filesystem to be mounted. This is normal. |
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| 18:39.10 | Andy_S | ok |
| 18:39.12 | jhutchins | Sorry, cat. |
| 18:39.15 | mutante | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/100320/ |
| 18:39.15 | Kobaz | cahoot: yeah... from what I can see, inotifywatch will set up watches, but not list them |
| 18:39.22 | rozie | free -m |
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| 18:40.14 | Kobaz | cahoot: i have a naughty program somewhere that is chewing up all the inotify handles |
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| 18:40.33 | jordanm | mutante: looks fine |
| 18:40.55 | mutante | rozie: http://paste.debian.net/100321/ |
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| 18:42.29 | Andy_S | thats weird |
| 18:42.41 | Andy_S | recompiling is running suspiciously long |
| 18:42.57 | Andy_S | ah |
| 18:42.59 | Andy_S | just crashed |
| 18:43.08 | rozie | mutante: your swap is enabled |
| 18:43.19 | rozie | Swap: 1458 0 1458 |
| 18:43.24 | rozie | but not used |
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| 18:45.26 | mutante | jordanm / rozie , ok thanks, so that is ok, but dont know how to prevent the freezing ..hmm |
| 18:45.49 | jordanm | mutante: you need to identify the problem when it is occuring, not now after a fresh reboot |
| 18:46.17 | Andy_S | jordanm: where i can paste 8852 lines long text ? |
| 18:46.23 | mutante | jordanm: then i cant ssh in and also the remote console is frozen |
| 18:46.24 | emerson | anyone can have a look in this pastbin and tell me what's going on, please: http://pastebin.com/PENkFKe5 |
| 18:46.47 | jordanm | Andy_S: paste.debian.net won't do it? |
| 18:47.07 | jordanm | mutante: I am betting the problem doesn't hit all at once, check before then |
| 18:47.09 | Andy_S | will try, pastebin gave me "entity too long" |
| 18:47.29 | jordanm | mutante: VMware doesn't provide a serial console into the container? |
| 18:47.38 | Andy_S | jordanm: nope, too long |
| 18:47.45 | jordanm | !paste |
| 18:47.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:47.55 | jordanm | wikisend I guess |
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| 18:48.05 | mutante | jordanm: i can use "vmware-vmrc" to get a console, but the VM still appears frozen there |
| 18:48.18 | stew | emerson: http:/backports.org/debian should be changed to http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports (you were missing one of the two slashes) |
| 18:48.22 | jordanm | Andy_S: I might have to take a look later tonight however. lunch break is almost over |
| 18:48.23 | Andy_S | jordanm: will put it on my web |
| 18:48.28 | Andy_S | sec |
| 18:48.41 | mutante | jordanm: but ok, thanks, i will have to try and watch it closer before it happens next time..somewhere |
| 18:49.08 | Andy_S | http://deltaflyer.cz/mysql-recompile.txt |
| 18:49.24 | emerson | stew: so how can I change it, please |
| 18:49.36 | jordanm | mutante: install sysstat, set a 15min cronjob to do something like mysqladmin proc --verbose |
| 18:49.46 | Andy_S | 1.34MB long log... |
| 18:49.48 | jordanm | and a "free" |
| 18:50.12 | Andy_S | emerson: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:50.13 | mutante | jordanm: ok, thanks |
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| 18:50.36 | stew | emerson: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:52.19 | jordanm | Andy_S: this is without the patches applied? |
| 18:52.22 | jordanm | ,versions mysql |
| 18:52.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql' was found in i386. |
| 18:52.25 | Andy_S | jordanm: if you find your time to look at that log, send me an PM... |
| 18:52.27 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 18:52.28 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-2; squeeze: 5.1.49-2; experimental: 5.1.51-1 |
| 18:52.37 | Andy_S | jordanm: yep without patch |
| 18:52.50 | Andy_S | jordanm: just apted source and tried to recompile it |
| 18:53.25 | jordanm | Andy_S: well, I do have to go now. I recommend trying with pbuilder. file a bug if it fails in pbuilder |
| 18:53.55 | Andy_S | any howto on pbuilder ? |
| 18:54.06 | Andy_S | or ill just google it |
| 18:54.18 | jordanm | Andy_S: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html#s-pbuilder |
| 18:54.33 | Andy_S | thanks |
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| 18:55.21 | emerson | problem solved thanks everyone... |
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| 18:58.27 | Psi-Jack | To install just the very basic Debian 5.0.6, all I need is just the first CD, correct (or netinst, but I'd prefer the basics be just quick, simple, fast) |
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| 19:00.16 | thewanderer1 | actually, with the right connection speed or a local cache, netinst is faster than CD :) |
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| 19:00.35 | jhutchins | Business card is extremely basic. |
| 19:00.50 | thewanderer1 | business card still fetches the installer and base system from the net |
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| 19:01.06 | thewanderer1 | and the first CD is completely sufficient for getting a base system |
| 19:01.23 | jhutchins | I need to review the differences between business card and netinst. |
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| 19:01.42 | jhutchins | (There should be a comparisons page.) |
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| 19:01.56 | Andy_S | should be != is |
| 19:01.57 | thewanderer1 | draw one up if it doesn't exist :P |
| 19:02.38 | jhutchins | Not a bad idea - bc, ni, cd, dvd... |
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| 19:03.19 | Andy_S | erm... |
| 19:03.22 | Andy_S | call me an idiot |
| 19:03.41 | Andy_S | i apparently don't know on what version i am running |
| 19:03.52 | Andy_S | i don't have squeeze, i have apparently sid |
| 19:03.58 | Psi-Jack | Andy_S: Alright, idiot. ;) |
| 19:04.11 | Andy_S | thats ... surprising |
| 19:04.17 | jelly-hme | !spank Psi-Jack |
| 19:04.17 | dpkg | bends Psi-Jack over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 19:04.26 | thewanderer1 | no, surprising would be the Spanish Inquisition |
| 19:04.29 | Andy_S | well, i've asked for it |
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| 19:05.48 | accident | Íàðîä, êèíüòå ìàíóàëîì ïî ïîñòðîéêå ðîóòåðà íà óáóíòå äëÿ ÷àéíèêîâ? |
| 19:05.50 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: if you don't need a GUI, use the netinst image |
| 19:05.59 | Psi-Jack | chuckles. |
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| 19:06.19 | flock-_ | I have an OVH dedicated server and the kernel doens't allow users to ls /proc/net, is anyway to fix it? |
| 19:06.19 | Psi-Jack | jelly-home: Eh, technically I don't need much of anything, as I'm tossing Proxmox VE 1.6 on right after the base install. |
| 19:06.30 | Andy_S | accident: english please |
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| 19:06.41 | Psi-Jack | The Proxmox VE bare metal installer both sucks, and doesn't give partitioning options. |
| 19:06.57 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 19:06.57 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 19:07.41 | Andy_S | 2l8 |
| 19:07.44 | jelly-home | Psi-Jack: use netinst, make sure to disable the "standard" task during the installation if what you really need is just the base system |
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| 19:09.10 | Andy_S | :] |
| 19:09.54 | jhutchins | Andy_S: What makes you think it's sid? |
| 19:10.09 | jhutchins | Andy_S: The testing version still says squeeze/sid |
| 19:10.11 | Andy_S | pbuilder says so |
| 19:10.33 | jhutchins | Ah, too bad. That's going to take some time to fix - but would explain a failure to build. |
| 19:10.42 | jelly-home | Russian to English translation: The people that throw a manual on building a router on ubuntu for dummies? |
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| 19:13.21 | jhutchins | tldp's ipmasq isn't translated. |
| 19:13.26 | thewanderer1 | flock-_: yes, install another kernel |
| 19:13.48 | Andy_S | jhutchins: well, we'll see, it downloaded some additional packages ... |
| 19:14.03 | jhutchins | Andy_S: If you have sid sources it's just going to get worse. |
| 19:14.18 | Andy_S | :( |
| 19:14.39 | Andy_S | all-i-need is >16char username :( |
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| 19:16.23 | jelly-home | Andy_S: or a more sane username policy |
| 19:16.56 | jelly-home | (and probably changes in the provisioning scripts, which is probably more painful) |
| 19:17.31 | Andy_S | whole system... |
| 19:18.14 | jelly-home | well if I told you it was badly designed from the start that wouldn't help you a bit... so I won't |
| 19:18.19 | jelly-home | oh snap |
| 19:18.29 | Andy_S | well... |
| 19:18.33 | Andy_S | not my work |
| 19:18.37 | Psi-Jack | snaps his fingers. |
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| 19:19.05 | Andy_S | that reminded me an old joke |
| 19:19.21 | jelly-home | Andy_S: if you already have a mysql db in place, you'll have to update its schema if your build works |
| 19:19.39 | Andy_S | meaning? |
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| 19:19.55 | Andy_S | alter username ? |
| 19:20.00 | Andy_S | (length) |
| 19:20.25 | Andy_S | that i know or you mean something else? |
| 19:20.29 | jelly-home | alter all the tables that your patch touches |
| 19:20.40 | jelly-home | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 19:20.46 | Andy_S | it is only "mysql.db" and "mysql.user" |
| 19:21.04 | Andy_S | it only modifies username length |
| 19:21.38 | Andy_S | i've been using this patch for a long time, but i just updated system and i am unable to recompile it :( |
| 19:22.00 | jelly-home | I suppose you're using the ssb method? |
| 19:22.22 | jelly-home | !tell Andy_S about package rebuild |
| 19:22.27 | jelly-home | !tell Andy_S about ssb |
| 19:23.05 | jhutchins_lt2 | does not recall any recent updates to mysql. |
| 19:23.16 | Andy_S | -uc -us? i've been using -r |
| 19:23.22 | Andy_S | could be the problem ? |
| 19:23.44 | Andy_S | i don't use backport |
| 19:23.47 | jelly-home | not really, -uc and -us deal with signing packages which is not relevant for local ones |
| 19:23.55 | Andy_S | i c |
| 19:24.51 | flock-_ | I have an OVH dedicated server and the kernel doens't allow users to ls /proc/net, is anyway to fix it? |
| 19:24.55 | jelly-home | your patch touches quite a bit more than just db and user, but if you had it before your schema is probably updated already |
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| 19:25.21 | jelly-home | flock-_: uname -a? |
| 19:25.45 | qazzaq | is it possible to create a bootable cd/usb from a debian iso image? |
| 19:25.47 | jhutchins_lt2 | flock-_: The standard debian kernel allows that. |
| 19:26.09 | Andy_S | jelly-home: meaning? |
| 19:26.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | qazzaq: For an installer? Yes. |
| 19:26.24 | jhutchins_lt2 | qazzaq: For a live cd, you'll want to use a debian live image. |
| 19:26.27 | Andy_S | qazzaq: there is windows util for that |
| 19:26.42 | Andy_S | (maybe ported to lin) - unetbootin |
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| 19:26.54 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 19:26.54 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:26.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S: Yes, unetbootin worked greate for me on squeeze. |
| 19:27.08 | flock-_ | jelly-home 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32 |
| 19:27.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | (Well, ran it on lenny to get squeeze) |
| 19:27.22 | flock-_ | nlwd |
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| 19:27.33 | rozie | qazzaq: if you download iso from debian.org and burn image on CD, it will be bootable |
| 19:27.38 | thewanderer1 | flock-_: this kernel is provided by your host... now go and install a real kernel from Debian repos |
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| 19:28.03 | jelly-home | flock-_: your provider gave you a grsecurity-patched kernel, which can limit /proc/ access for normal users |
| 19:28.05 | Andy_S | or go and install a REAL kernel from kernel.org :] |
| 19:28.16 | Andy_S | [/joke] |
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| 19:28.50 | pallgone | how is squeeze progressing? |
| 19:28.51 | jelly-home | flock-_: if this is a multiuser system with untrusted users (customers ;-), grsecurity patch actually might not be a bad idea |
| 19:28.56 | jhutchins_lt2 | Andy_S will be your dedicated kernel support person if you install from kernel.org |
| 19:29.05 | Andy_S | :D :D :D |
| 19:29.06 | Andy_S | good one |
| 19:29.11 | Andy_S | i tried once |
| 19:29.16 | jhutchins_lt2 | pallgone: Setting 'em up and knocking 'em down. |
| 19:29.27 | flock-_ | jelly-home nah just a friend or so, and I would like to get off that grsecurity patch |
| 19:29.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | pallgone: Two steps forward, one step back on the Intel video bug. |
| 19:29.30 | Andy_S | too good i had a backup |
| 19:30.04 | jelly-home | flock-_: install and boot whatever linux-image-686 package brings, then |
| 19:30.16 | qazzaq | rozie: true. i actually meant to create a bootable usb from an existing debian iso dvd |
| 19:30.30 | Andy_S | qazzaq: still not a problem |
| 19:30.37 | Andy_S | and still the same solution |
| 19:31.07 | qazzaq | thanks. i'm checking "unetbootin" now |
| 19:31.25 | Andy_S | it is a great tool |
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| 19:36.12 | Andy_S | running tests |
| 19:37.01 | qazzaq | and btw, how can i tell the installer to use a local mirror instead of http/ftp? |
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| 19:38.24 | pallgone | qazzaq: server the mirror per http |
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| 19:39.20 | pallgone | *serve |
| 19:39.55 | qazzaq | qazzaq: it's still http though. by local i mean a repo somewhere on hard disk |
| 19:40.16 | jhutchins_lt2 | !tell qazzaq about install guide |
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| 19:41.54 | karlpinc | Just what is non-free firmware, as opposed to free firmware? There's source somewhere for free firmware? |
| 19:42.15 | karlpinc | (and the rest of the freedoms) |
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| 19:43.06 | XTF | Why does http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lighttpd.html say it's removed from unstable? |
| 19:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: linkxyx wrtg routers have free (OS) firmware. |
| 19:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | linksys even |
| 19:44.20 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Ok. |
| 19:45.09 | jelly-home | XTF: the likey reason is in the line just abouve that -- installation errors |
| 19:45.11 | pallgone | karlpinc: firmware is often used to describe the part that is needed to make a wifi card for example work, it isn't preloaded but gets added by the driver/os, and this "part" is often only available only in binary form |
| 19:45.37 | pallgone | ehm, too many only there :) |
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| 19:46.15 | XTF | jelly: Wouldn't there have to be a bug report for the removal? |
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| 19:48.32 | jelly-home | ,versions lighttpd |
| 19:48.33 | judd | Package lighttpd on i386 -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; squeeze: 1.4.28-1; sid: 1.4.28-2 |
| 19:48.50 | jelly-home | XTF: or that page might be buggy! |
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| 19:52.27 | kishy | just wanted to report, to anyone who offered advice the other day to me, that all is well and seems to be running as it should. many thanks :) |
| 19:53.45 | thewanderer1 | sure it is, it's Debian :P |
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| 19:55.05 | bookmark | hiya |
| 19:55.11 | bookmark | does anyone know what is libklibc? |
| 19:55.21 | thewanderer1 | ,info libklibc |
| 19:55.24 | judd | Package libklibc (libs, optional) in lenny/i386: minimal libc subset for use with initramfs. Version: 1.5.12-2; Size: 43.2k; Installed: 88k |
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| 19:55.35 | bookmark | so its like openf? |
| 19:55.37 | bookmark | yada |
| 19:55.41 | bookmark | or? |
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| 19:55.54 | bookmark | i mean i thought a ramfs would be a block device |
| 19:56.06 | Andy_S | jelly-home: what were you meaning that it touches more than user and db ? |
| 19:56.10 | thewanderer1 | no, ramfs is a file system |
| 19:56.33 | kishy | heh, thewanderer1, it's because it's somewhat of an unconventional device i'm running it on. |
| 19:56.36 | bookmark | well i did apt-cache search ramfs and that thing came up |
| 19:56.45 | thewanderer1 | XTF: are you sure that page said it's being removed? |
| 19:57.06 | jelly-home | Andy_S: read the patch, and notice all the table definitions that get updates |
| 19:57.25 | Andy_S | jelly-home: thats only for the tests |
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| 19:58.52 | Anorion|eee | is there still a sid netinst cd? |
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| 20:00.50 | Andy_S | jelly-home: main thing set is in include/mysql_com.h |
| 20:01.29 | User_007 | guys, what about the new patch what make linux faster? have you listened about it? |
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| 20:02.05 | thewanderer1 | no, but I've read about it. it doesn't make Linux faster, it schedules cgroups better. |
| 20:02.17 | Andy_S | i've heard only about hardware acceleration of older computers |
| 20:02.41 | jelly-home | Andy_S: there's touching columns_priv and tables_priv at lines 415- |
| 20:02.56 | thewanderer1 | you basically just put different tasks in different cgroups and the scheduler cares about scheduling them fairly so that you keep responsive when compiling in 50 threads :P |
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| 20:03.15 | jelly-home | User_007: it doesn't make it faster. It makes the GUI feel more responsive, in some cases. |
| 20:04.21 | Andy_S | jelly-home: right |
| 20:04.39 | Andy_S | well, as you said - i already have it altered... |
| 20:04.50 | jelly-home | aye |
| 20:04.52 | thewanderer1 | still, as long as I'm stuck with the OpenVZ kernel, I can't make any use of it :P |
| 20:04.57 | pallgone | jelly-home: have you seen the comparison video? quite impressive |
| 20:05.16 | bookmark | when i run: df -h, i see tmpfs /dev/shm |
| 20:05.21 | bookmark | 1.4GB |
| 20:05.23 | jelly-home | pallgone: I don't run build kernels on my desktop machine, it's not relevant |
| 20:05.28 | bookmark | is this a ram file system? |
| 20:05.28 | Andy_S | quite impressive is that 150" flat screen with 4k resolution |
| 20:06.01 | bookmark | i also see another tmpfs listed, /lib/init/rw |
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| 20:06.24 | bookmark | dynamic ram file systems? |
| 20:06.49 | pallgone | jelly-home: no, not yet, debian will introduce the patch in probably 10 years ;) |
| 20:06.56 | jelly-home | bookmark: that indeed is a vfs-based file system, backed by pages in RAM and swap. |
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| 20:07.12 | bookmark | it seems that i have access to it |
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| 20:07.17 | bookmark | i mean i can go in there and copy stuff into it |
| 20:07.21 | bookmark | i guess i should reboot |
| 20:07.27 | jelly-home | bookmark: tmpfs isn't very dynamic... it's fixed size. |
| 20:07.27 | bookmark | to see if the stuff is really there, lol |
| 20:07.42 | bookmark | maybe it gzips to an image on shutdown? |
| 20:07.44 | User_007 | jelly-home, did you read about how to do that without recompiling the kernel? |
| 20:07.51 | jelly-home | bookmark: it doesn't. |
| 20:07.59 | bookmark | ok i wanna see what happens so i reboot |
| 20:08.47 | jelly-home | User_007: it was mentioned on lwn, yes |
| 20:08.53 | bookmark | i wonder if they are gzipped |
| 20:09.09 | bookmark | or that is only initramfs that is that |
| 20:09.53 | jelly-home | bookmark: tmpfs contents disappear on unmount |
| 20:10.19 | bookmark | indeed the file i copy is gone |
| 20:10.20 | User_007 | jelly-home, i followed some instructions (http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sHRYRuAN) just exchanging all "/usr/local/sbin/whatever" by "usr/sbin/watever" and it don't work |
| 20:10.59 | bookmark | so the tmpfs is non dynamic? |
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| 20:11.18 | User_007 | jelly-home, can you help me? everytime i enter bash i get "mkdir: can not create directory "/ dev / cgroup / cpu / user / $": File exists |
| 20:11.18 | User_007 | bash: echo: write error: Invalid Argument" |
| 20:11.23 | bookmark | like a * char on there would be the same no matter what process open it? |
| 20:11.27 | jelly-home | User_007: which debian release are you using? uname -r? |
| 20:11.37 | User_007 | Squeeze AMD64 |
| 20:12.04 | jelly-home | User_007: paste the output of that command, please. |
| 20:12.11 | thewanderer1 | User_007: have you read the instructions saying to disable auto-grouping? |
| 20:12.27 | User_007 | thewanderer1, auto-grouping? |
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| 20:12.38 | thewanderer1 | the kernel puts processes in cgroups automatically |
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| 20:12.59 | User_007 | thewanderer1, how to do that? |
| 20:14.21 | thewanderer1 | just read the Liquorix thread in HOWTO section on forums.debian.net ("Alternative performance kernel...") |
| 20:16.36 | User_007 | thewanderer1, but so i would need to install a new kernel? |
| 20:16.59 | User_007 | i already have 2.6.36 if it is what matters |
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| 20:17.25 | User_007 | jelly-home it is a custom kernel 2.6.36 |
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| 20:18.11 | User_007 | jelly-home, but i already have the 2.6.32-somehting what is the newest from the repo |
| 20:18.17 | BLZbubba | is there a way to disable write caching for a particular filesystem? |
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| 20:19.22 | jelly-home | User_007: avoiding answers like that makes me suspicious a user might not be running Debian at all |
| 20:20.36 | User_007 | sorry jelly-home it is not the case... |
| 20:22.00 | Dekkzter | can anyone help me do some backporting that isnt up on the repos? i need to backport libtorrent11 and rtorrent 0.8.6 |
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| 20:25.44 | alkisg | I installed squeeze/lxde, but I got gdm instead of lxdm, did I do something wrong or that's the default? |
| 20:25.55 | User_007 | bye |
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| 20:28.05 | alkisg | Ah. It's not even available in experimental. OK, new question, is there any way to autologin to some user without gdm being kept in memory? It eats up a lot of RAM... |
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| 20:29.04 | FalTam | hai |
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| 20:29.17 | FalTam | is it possible to limit apache to 70% of the cpu load? |
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| 20:33.33 | Andy_S | this compilation (tests) takes toooo long |
| 20:33.48 | Andy_S | faltam: i dont think so, but you can "nice" it |
| 20:34.04 | Andy_S | omg |
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| 20:34.09 | FalTam | cpulimit can do it i think |
| 20:34.16 | Andy_S | it compiled, tested and passed to the next part |
| 20:34.59 | somiaj | FalTam: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/cpu-usage-limiter-for-linux/ from google |
| 20:35.30 | FalTam | ^^ cpulimit |
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| 20:41.09 | sorressean | Is there a quick way to set a custom dns server? My debian box just keeps emptying out /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:42.00 | jelly-home | !tell sorressean about override dns |
| 20:42.37 | nsadmin | sorressean: if you use /etc/network/interfaces, the resolvconf package will add syntax to that file such that you can specify static dns per interface |
| 20:43.01 | sorressean | really? |
| 20:43.05 | sorressean | I use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:43.10 | sorressean | how do I specify the dns there? |
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| 20:43.21 | nsadmin | so install the package resolvconf |
| 20:43.32 | jelly-home | sorressean: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 20:44.15 | jelly-home | er, no, it's not there |
| 20:44.16 | sorressean | o. didn't see that popped up in a query: thanks! |
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| 20:45.12 | sorressean | ? |
| 20:45.18 | sorressean | the orig message you sent me did |
| 20:45.32 | jelly-home | well, there's more than one place you can force overrides in |
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| 20:46.24 | jelly-home | if you use dhcp, you already now. if you use iface ... inet static, resolvconf package gives you |
| 20:46.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.40 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.03 | Andy_S | mg |
| 20:47.07 | Andy_S | it is still compiling |
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| 20:47.20 | Andy_S | over 1.5hrs |
| 20:47.22 | jelly-home | Andy_S: wash your laundry! |
| 20:47.25 | sorressean | jelly-home: thanks again. |
| 20:47.36 | Andy_S | well... i might get to the bed |
| 20:47.38 | nsadmin | and when "it" is done, it will say hello world? |
| 20:48.03 | Andy_S | nope, i will have my C0F33 warmed |
| 20:48.37 | nsadmin | be glad there's no more 386s where kernel compiles (of OOOLLD kernels too) take like 24 hrs |
| 20:48.46 | Andy_S | scary! |
| 20:49.12 | Andy_S | mg... it seems like it is done ! |
| 20:49.21 | Andy_S | it is already "installing" |
| 20:49.25 | sorressean | jesus. 1.5h? what are you compling? |
| 20:49.29 | Andy_S | mysql |
| 20:49.32 | sorressean | My kernel doesn't take that long on the p3 box |
| 20:49.46 | nsadmin | postgres doesn't take that long either |
| 20:49.53 | Andy_S | i have P4 HT (singlecore) @ 3Gig |
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| 20:50.03 | jelly-home | mysql has zillions of unit tests to run |
| 20:50.04 | Andy_S | but i have running motion |
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| 20:50.11 | sorressean | what took 1.5h to compile? |
| 20:50.27 | Andy_S | that consumes 25% of the cpu |
| 20:50.49 | nsadmin | sorressean, the moment is gone already (or, look up) |
| 20:50.52 | Andy_S | it... |
| 20:50.52 | cafaro | When I want to install a newer version of a certain package, by building via source, do I need to the old package (via aptitude) first? |
| 20:50.54 | Andy_S | is ... |
| 20:50.56 | Andy_S | DONE |
| 20:51.06 | Andy_S | my god |
| 20:51.07 | cafaro | When I want to install a newer version of a certain package, by building via source, do I need to remove* the old package (via aptitude) first? |
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| 20:51.11 | Andy_S | 1 hour 50 minutes |
| 20:51.14 | thewanderer1 | cafaro: no, and stop spamming |
| 20:51.15 | Andy_S | crap |
| 20:51.22 | thewanderer1 | Andy_S: it's not bad at all |
| 20:51.27 | Andy_S | now |
| 20:51.37 | thewanderer1 | my kernel takes 4 hours on Atom :P |
| 20:51.43 | thewanderer1 | Andy_S: in the future, think about using distcc ;) |
| 20:51.47 | Andy_S | how do i patch a source when i want to compile using pbuilder :-( |
| 20:52.02 | nsadmin | what is distcc? |
| 20:52.07 | thewanderer1 | ,info distcc |
| 20:52.09 | judd | Package distcc (devel, optional) in lenny/i386: Simple distributed compiler client and server. Version: 2.18.3-8; Size: 159.5k; Installed: 356k |
| 20:52.10 | Andy_S | thewanderer1: i need to patch the sources |
| 20:52.23 | Andy_S | i need to patch mysql :( |
| 20:52.34 | thewanderer1 | Andy_S: I know. I just don't happen to have the answer at the top of the head... |
| 20:52.41 | Andy_S | sure :) |
| 20:52.52 | thewanderer1 | I think I'd just go in and change the source :P |
| 20:53.11 | nsadmin | that;'s what patch does! |
| 20:53.43 | thewanderer1 | yes, so what's the problem? |
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| 20:54.14 | nsadmin | problem? there's a -problem-? |
| 20:54.57 | jelly-home | Andy_S: wait... have you waited two hours for a rebuild that _doesn't_ have your patch? |
| 20:55.11 | Andy_S | i needed to test it first |
| 20:55.20 | nsadmin | that's what I was wondering too |
| 20:55.22 | thewanderer1 | hm, get a decent build machine :) |
| 20:55.36 | Andy_S | find me 4eth mobo |
| 20:55.47 | Andy_S | that i could fit into 1U case |
| 20:55.54 | Andy_S | CHEAP one |
| 20:55.59 | thewanderer1 | hmm, ok |
| 20:55.59 | nsadmin | 4eth? |
| 20:56.02 | Andy_S | yep |
| 20:56.04 | thewanderer1 | but it won't be fast :P |
| 20:56.09 | thewanderer1 | why 4eth? |
| 20:56.15 | Andy_S | 4 separate networks |
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| 20:56.24 | thewanderer1 | how about a VLAN switch? |
| 20:56.26 | nsadmin | that part we knew :P |
| 20:56.47 | Andy_S | -separate- |
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| 20:57.02 | thewanderer1 | well, if you don't believe in VLAN's... |
| 20:57.04 | nsadmin | if he had a vlan switch, what would he do with his 4ethmobo? |
| 20:57.13 | thewanderer1 | some don't believe in atoms, either |
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| 20:57.26 | Andy_S | eth0 - world - inet eth1 - my local net eth2 - security cameras eth3 - IPTV |
| 20:57.31 | thewanderer1 | but in this case I can only recommend getting a remote build host :P |
| 20:57.47 | nsadmin | at least get a clustered system... molecule? |
| 20:58.38 | Andy_S | thewanderer1: there are 4eth boards, lets say x7sbi-ln4 |
| 20:58.42 | Andy_S | but they cost a fortune |
| 20:58.46 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 20:59.13 | jelly-home | Andy_S: a 1u server with 2 onboards and a single 2-eth card |
| 20:59.22 | Bushmills | with 4 network segments connected to the build machine, i suppose distcc makes a lot of sense |
| 20:59.24 | Andy_S | or ... ln2 with PCI-X will do, i have pci-X dualgbit card |
| 20:59.52 | Andy_S | jelly-home: thats what i have now |
| 20:59.59 | Andy_S | i have supermicro PDSMI |
| 21:00.03 | Andy_S | not + :( |
| 21:00.13 | Andy_S | the best i can get is P4@3.8G |
| 21:00.18 | Andy_S | no dualcore |
| 21:00.23 | jelly-home | eugh, supermicro, I guess you're on a tight budget |
| 21:00.52 | Andy_S | well... |
| 21:00.54 | jelly-home | likes the HPs at work |
| 21:01.02 | Andy_S | its not a work... |
| 21:01.12 | Andy_S | it's block of flat i have this server in |
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| 21:01.46 | jelly-home | do I want to know why is it running mysql? |
| 21:01.48 | thewanderer1 | actually you can look at mini-itx.com, I remember them having a nice extensible board where you could plug in an "extender" with 4xGbE |
| 21:01.51 | Andy_S | 2x72 compartments |
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| 21:02.12 | Andy_S | jelly-home: web, motion, mail, ftp, access system |
| 21:02.47 | Andy_S | verlihub, some game servers, iptv |
| 21:02.49 | jelly-home | I mean, why you run it on the premises instead of the datacenter |
| 21:03.33 | thewanderer1 | wishes he had a data center :P |
| 21:03.38 | Andy_S | well... datacenter... in the datacenter i don't have RS485 for the RFID readers, DVB-T cards for streaming, Gbit network for everything else... |
| 21:04.33 | Andy_S | there is a reason why i have this server there... |
| 21:04.40 | jelly-home | and you need mysql for rfid and streaming? |
| 21:04.58 | nsadmin | with his patch too |
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| 21:05.37 | Andy_S | iptv - epg |
| 21:05.53 | nsadmin | my data center has two puters and a nice cable modem! |
| 21:05.56 | Andy_S | rfid - nearly 1000 people with access rights |
| 21:06.11 | Andy_S | (to the basement, etc) |
| 21:06.24 | jelly-home | I bet that rfid system requires FQDN usernames! |
| 21:06.27 | Andy_S | mostly for webs |
| 21:06.54 | nsadmin | 1000 people in the basement? |
| 21:06.58 | Andy_S | eg - when i do have my own server, why won't i use it for hosting my own websites |
| 21:07.01 | Andy_S | nsadmin: nope |
| 21:07.12 | Andy_S | ~1000 ppl in the building |
| 21:07.41 | Andy_S | different "level" of access (eg kids cannot go into the basement etc) |
| 21:07.47 | jelly-home | "service isolation" |
| 21:08.13 | nsadmin | you should change it to "kids can't get out of the basement" |
| 21:08.13 | Andy_S | jelly-home: its all about money |
| 21:08.14 | jelly-home | but anyway, it's not like you're going to change your infrastructure |
| 21:08.40 | Andy_S | nsadmin: anyone can get out, if you don't have proper rights, you cannot select "basement" in the lift |
| 21:09.12 | nsadmin | so if there are multiple people and one can, then what? |
| 21:09.28 | Andy_S | jelly-home: i have pretty decent (and cheap) ISP speed, no power bills for the server... |
| 21:09.32 | jelly-home | Andy_S: look under debian/patches/ in the source tree |
| 21:09.55 | jelly-home | Andy_S: shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to plug your stuff |
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| 21:10.03 | nsadmin | oh, did he build mysql packages? |
| 21:10.12 | Andy_S | yep |
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| 21:10.49 | nsadmin | how much did that mobo cost, it's a p4? |
| 21:11.40 | Andy_S | whole server cost me 5000CZK which is... |
| 21:12.05 | Andy_S | some 200 |
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| 21:12.23 | nsadmin | what's a � |
| 21:12.28 | jelly-home | EUR |
| 21:12.34 | Andy_S | 276$ |
| 21:12.46 | nsadmin | cheap, the case too? |
| 21:12.51 | Andy_S | whole server |
| 21:13.09 | nsadmin | how much ram/disk? |
| 21:13.32 | Andy_S | 3G ram |
| 21:13.37 | nsadmin | wow |
| 21:13.39 | Andy_S | 2x160G WD |
| 21:13.46 | Andy_S | in raid |
| 21:13.49 | nsadmin | and that came with it? |
| 21:13.52 | Andy_S | yes |
| 21:13.59 | Andy_S | well |
| 21:14.04 | Andy_S | i had some spare old ram |
| 21:14.09 | Andy_S | so i added 2gigs |
| 21:14.14 | Andy_S | but... yes |
| 21:14.20 | nsadmin | so, 1g, still not bad |
| 21:14.32 | Andy_S | yes |
| 21:14.33 | Andy_S | but |
| 21:14.39 | Andy_S | only PDSMI :( |
| 21:14.45 | nsadmin | what's that |
| 21:14.46 | Andy_S | = no dualcore :( |
| 21:14.47 | jelly-home | Andy_S: you could probably get a P4 proliant (HP DL360 G3) for similar price, they have some nice features (remote console access, remote power cycle, remote booting from .iso image if need be) |
| 21:15.19 | Andy_S | jelly-home: problem is that i had one ... unusual request... server depth |
| 21:15.27 | jelly-home | hah |
| 21:15.29 | Andy_S | i have only 600cm deep rack |
| 21:15.35 | Rienzilla | oh that's pretty small |
| 21:15.37 | jelly-home | 600mm. right |
| 21:15.50 | Rienzilla | 600cm is pretty big lol |
| 21:15.56 | Andy_S | so i can place only ~55cm deep server |
| 21:15.58 | Andy_S | sorry |
| 21:16.00 | Andy_S | 600mm |
| 21:16.02 | Andy_S | 60cm |
| 21:16.13 | nsadmin | 6 meters? :) |
| 21:16.22 | Andy_S | ,6 |
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| 21:16.49 | jelly-home | a DL320 G3 then, 2 SATA disks, but crippled in features |
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| 21:17.19 | nsadmin | g3 not meaning powerpc? |
| 21:17.23 | Andy_S | nice one |
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| 21:17.35 | Andy_S | nsadmin: nope, 3rd gen |
| 21:18.00 | Andy_S | jelly-home: nice case but won't help me with cpu power |
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| 21:18.07 | nsadmin | so is that mysql thing working for you? |
| 21:18.14 | Andy_S | idk |
| 21:18.16 | fruitwerks | how can I install just apache from sid on lenny? |
| 21:18.20 | jelly-home | Andy_S: yeah, can't help there |
| 21:18.31 | nsadmin | fruitwerks: backport |
| 21:18.46 | Andy_S | jelly-home: x8-ln4 would help :D |
| 21:18.47 | jelly-home | Andy_S: spend another unit and split the load over two servers? |
| 21:18.48 | nsadmin | which may or may not be simply rebuilding |
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| 21:19.07 | Andy_S | jelly-home: no need to :) |
| 21:19.10 | Andy_S | yet |
| 21:19.27 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: you can't. What do you need the newer version for? |
| 21:19.33 | jelly-home | !tell fruitwerks about ssb |
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| 21:19.42 | Andy_S | motion takes just only ~30% of the cpu |
| 21:20.08 | jelly-home | Andy_S: what is "motion", btw? |
| 21:20.20 | fruitwerks | jelly-home I need 2.2.16 or higher, it support a few directives I need |
| 21:20.40 | Andy_S | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/video/motion |
| 21:20.48 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: read what dpkg bot told you in private message |
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| 21:21.59 | sam113101 | I'm unable to install the java plugin on firefox, help me please |
| 21:22.17 | nsadmin | why unable? |
| 21:22.19 | abrotman | in firefox? or iceweasel? |
| 21:22.25 | sam113101 | firefox |
| 21:22.43 | nsadmin | are there firefox packages now? |
| 21:23.13 | nsadmin | did you install the plugin? |
| 21:23.27 | nsadmin | it should be just a single symlink |
| 21:23.38 | sam113101 | yeah, I put the libnpjp2.so file in my plugin folder |
| 21:23.49 | sam113101 | it's a symlink |
| 21:23.58 | nsadmin | oh, and that didn't work? |
| 21:24.04 | sam113101 | didn't work |
| 21:24.19 | jelly-home | sam113101: worksforme: lrwxrwxrwx 1 jelly users 39 2010-08-15 11:40 /opt/firefox/plugins/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 2010-08-15 11:39 /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
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| 21:24.42 | jelly-home | this is debian testing, i386 |
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| 21:25.06 | Andy_S | helemese, cechacek, tak precejen tu nejsem jediny, starenka_ vitaj |
| 21:25.21 | rita | hello, does someone know a command that will show me which driver my xserver is currently using? |
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| 21:25.36 | nsadmin | you could look at the log |
| 21:25.37 | starenka_ | Andy_S: im idling here quite often ;) |
| 21:25.40 | nsadmin | or the config file |
| 21:25.48 | Andy_S | starenka_: :) |
| 21:25.50 | rita | debian doesn't use and xorg.conf anymore |
| 21:26.03 | nsadmin | you could generate one |
| 21:26.21 | sam113101 | so what do I do |
| 21:26.22 | nsadmin | and/or look at the log |
| 21:26.25 | Andy_S | nevermind guys, g2g, my gf is waiting 4me |
| 21:26.32 | rita | what is the log location? |
| 21:26.38 | Andy_S | time for ... "sleep" :] |
| 21:26.47 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.04 | jelly-home | sam113101: which architecture are you using? which jvm? are you linking the correct file? |
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| 21:27.21 | Andy_S | so thanks for you help, thanks for the chat and ... tomorow we'll see ;) |
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| 21:27.31 | Andy_S | night all |
| 21:27.37 | nsadmin | night |
| 21:28.20 | rita | thank you, according to the log radeon is the current driver which is what I wanted |
| 21:28.29 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 21:28.42 | fruitwerks | jelly-home - not having much luck, it is reporting the app is the current version |
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| 21:29.27 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:30.02 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: what step are you on? pastebin exact command are you running and its output. |
| 21:30.27 | jelly-home | whoa, words up mixed |
| 21:30.42 | eptalon | is there any easy way to get the cpu temperature in a debian system? |
| 21:31.04 | fruitwerks | I think I got lost on check on backports, this is for apache2, I need v 2.2.16+ |
| 21:31.04 | nsadmin | there's lmsensors |
| 21:31.32 | nsadmin | why do you need that version? |
| 21:31.46 | fruitwerks | it has new directives that I need |
| 21:31.49 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: have you read /msg dpkg ssb ? |
| 21:32.21 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: btw, which directive are those? |
| 21:32.43 | fruitwerks | yes.. and as smart as I am I don't really understand it |
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| 21:33.14 | nsadmin | basically you get the sid source and compile it on your system |
| 21:33.18 | nsadmin | into packages |
| 21:33.21 | nsadmin | then install those |
| 21:33.42 | fruitwerks | FallbackResource directive |
| 21:35.29 | jelly-home | possibly sounds doable with some sort of a catch-all Rewrite hack |
| 21:35.59 | fruitwerks | I've been playing with rewrites for two days trying to avoid this |
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| 21:36.12 | fruitwerks | so where can I grab this source? |
| 21:36.35 | thewanderer1 | at the sid repo |
| 21:36.35 | nsadmin | first put sid source in there, but not "deb" |
| 21:36.42 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list <- do you understand that? |
| 21:36.43 | nsadmin | instead "deb-src" |
| 21:37.01 | jelly-home | !deb-src |
| 21:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that deb-src is 'deb-src http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where 'CC' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and libc6-dev installed. |
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| 21:38.25 | fruitwerks | yeah I'd rather wget some source than edit 8 files just so i can so "magic download" |
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| 21:39.20 | nsadmin | it's one file |
| 21:39.29 | nsadmin | to which you add one line |
| 21:39.51 | Mannequin | hi. I've added a user using the --disabled-password option, and then created a password for it. |
| 21:40.00 | sam113101 | ok I tried with the 32-bit version |
| 21:40.01 | Mannequin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.02 | sam113101 | didn't work |
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| 21:40.38 | thewanderer1 | Mannequin: man passwd |
| 21:41.19 | fruitwerks | ok added the deb-src |
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| 21:42.23 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: report back before you do the "apt-get -b source packagename" bit. |
| 21:42.26 | sam113101 | I can't get the java plugin to work on firefox |
| 21:43.03 | thewanderer1 | first, where did you get firefox? |
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| 21:43.21 | jelly-home | sam113101: you didn't answer any of these: <jelly-home> sam113101: which architecture are you using? which jvm? are you linking the correct file? |
| 21:43.25 | Mannequin | thewanderer1: thanks. I |
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| 21:44.04 | fruitwerks | aptitude build-dep - unable to satisfy.. is that normal? |
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| 21:44.16 | sam113101 | I'm on a 64-bit system with a 64-bit browser, using the 32-bit plugin ('cause I read the 64-bit wouldn't work) |
| 21:44.36 | abrotman | sam113101: 64bit java works just fine .. what is your kernel? uname -r ? |
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| 21:45.01 | sam113101 | 2.6.35.6-48.fc14.x86_64 |
| 21:45.14 | abrotman | sam113101: shuldn't you be asking #fedora? |
| 21:45.22 | sam113101 | ;( |
| 21:45.33 | sam113101 | I love you too much |
| 21:45.36 | fruitwerks | ... continued anyway |
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| 21:45.43 | sam113101 | is really that different distro from distro |
| 21:45.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:45.47 | jelly-home | sam113101: yes. |
| 21:45.56 | sam113101 | f*ck |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | sam113101: or ask ##linux .. this is definitely not hte place |
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| 21:46.14 | fruitwerks | ok I'm @ apt-get -b |
| 21:46.17 | sam113101 | http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com |
| 21:46.22 | sam113101 | * Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support. |
| 21:46.23 | jelly-home | sam113101: or reproduce it in Debian, then come ask again |
| 21:46.43 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: well, unable to satisfy depends would mean that you need to enable some more repos, usually |
| 21:46.51 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: you won't get far with building it if the build dependencies aren't there. |
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| 21:46.53 | thewanderer1 | but then you would probably miss the point of backporting |
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| 21:47.09 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: have you added the backports.debian.org repository? |
| 21:47.14 | fruitwerks | no, that worked, I ran the command again and it didn't need anything else |
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| 21:47.35 | fruitwerks | thought I was compiling from source? |
| 21:48.05 | abrotman | sam113101: ask #fedora, not us |
| 21:48.12 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: apache source needs some extra packages to be able to build with all the options debian wants to use |
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| 21:49.12 | fruitwerks | ok so I need to add what to what? |
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| 21:50.32 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: read the ssb factoid again. it points you further to the <bdo> factoid. So /msg dpkg bdo; that might help to make build-dep work, |
| 21:51.04 | fruitwerks | oh.. thought your bot was broken |
| 21:51.25 | thewanderer1 | !slap fruitwerks |
| 21:51.25 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across fruitwerks's face |
| 21:51.44 | thewanderer1 | ^ er what |
| 21:52.06 | fruitwerks | mmmk |
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| 21:52.18 | delarge | hi |
| 21:52.55 | fruitwerks | so do I need to add backports for my current release or the release my apache is from? |
| 21:53.13 | delarge | how i can put the info of 2 files in one ? |
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| 21:53.25 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks: to your current release |
| 21:53.32 | fruitwerks | delarge, what kinda files? |
| 21:53.33 | delarge | i try cat file1 file2 > finalfile |
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| 21:53.46 | thewanderer1 | delarge: should work |
| 21:53.48 | delarge | buy only put the info of file1 on finalfile |
| 21:53.54 | fruitwerks | >> |
| 21:54.09 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks, delarge: it should work either way |
| 21:54.23 | thewanderer1 | or else 1 == 0 and we're all doomed |
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| 21:55.45 | delarge | with >> isnt work |
| 21:55.53 | delarge | cat file1 file2 >> finalfile |
| 21:56.01 | delarge | finalfile only have the info of file1 |
| 21:56.11 | thewanderer1 | delarge: how are you checking that? |
| 21:56.28 | delarge | its a video |
| 21:56.41 | thewanderer1 | have you compared the sizes? |
| 21:56.47 | delarge | nop |
| 21:56.48 | delarge | the times |
| 21:56.54 | delarge | of reproduction |
| 21:56.56 | thewanderer1 | look, videos don't work like this |
| 21:57.00 | fruitwerks | ok everything is proper now.. |
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| 21:57.03 | thewanderer1 | unless you really have a raw format |
| 21:57.10 | fruitwerks | waiting @ apt-get -b |
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| 21:59.42 | coppermine | whats the code name for a debian 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:59.45 | coppermine | and where can idownload it |
| 22:00.30 | coppermine | debian 3.0 |
| 22:00.40 | flock-_ | hello, I got two users on my server.. and they can see eachother folders /home/folder.. anyway to limit it? |
| 22:00.50 | coppermine | yes |
| 22:00.53 | coppermine | chmod o-r |
| 22:00.55 | coppermine | on the home dir |
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| 22:01.36 | thewanderer1 | flock-_: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions see my howto and you'll know in no time :P |
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| 22:01.55 | coppermine | sarge had a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 22:02.06 | Rienzilla | I think so |
| 22:02.09 | thewanderer1 | hm, I have no idea... |
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| 22:03.21 | thewanderer1 | there are some 2.6.8 kernels listed in Packages of Sarge |
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| 22:13.26 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bother i need to create a package for debian 32 bit but certainly i am not going to make a building environment on a production server. What is the best way to build 32 bit packages on a 64 bit machine? |
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| 22:16.06 | thewanderer1 | get a 32-bit chroot |
| 22:16.46 | tharkun | thewanderer1: ok, is there a script or program that will build it automagically or does it have to be made by hand? |
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| 22:17.25 | thewanderer1 | debootstrap --arch=i386 lenny /where/does/it/go http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian |
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| 22:17.40 | thewanderer1 | you need debootstrap package for it, by the way |
| 22:17.58 | thewanderer1 | there is also the pbuilder, but I never quite got a hold of it |
| 22:18.13 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thx i'll research both of them |
| 22:18.13 | delarge | !fixmbr |
| 22:18.13 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 22:18.30 | fruitwerks | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 22:18.37 | tharkun | !tell delarge about msg the bot |
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| 22:21.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know of a backup program for linux that works like Acronis True Image? |
| 22:21.42 | fruitwerks | acronis true image |
| 22:22.02 | fruitwerks | enterprise or home? |
| 22:22.25 | fruitwerks | maybe norton ghost can do it |
| 22:23.25 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea what it does, but you can most certainly do it with dd and the right arguments -wink- |
| 22:23.45 | thewanderer1 | nothing beats the "trueness" of dd's images :P |
| 22:23.50 | fruitwerks | oh yeah, that rm command might do it |
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| 22:24.56 | fruitwerks | ok so now I have Unmet build dependencies: libaprutil1-dev (>= 1.3.4) libssl-dev (>= 0.9.8m) |
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| 22:25.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, they're apparently only in testing/unstable - didn't check backports... |
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| 22:26.07 | fruitwerks | so how do I safely meet these deps? |
| 22:26.26 | thewanderer1 | I somehow think you will have to backport all of them... |
| 22:26.56 | thewanderer1 | unless you detect that the package can in fact use older versions, which it usually can not... |
| 22:27.07 | fruitwerks | right |
| 22:27.19 | Stylles | Can someone give me a help to compile bind9 |
| 22:28.01 | Stylles | I am with the following error |
| 22:28.16 | Stylles | configure: error: gssapi.h not found |
| 22:28.20 | foul_owl | Hello, having a problem with my webcam. lsusb shows it fine, but I can't get a /dev/video0. fresh install of the latest debian. i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.32. with backports. rebooted. found the gspca drivers. plugged in the cam. modprobe gspca_sunplus, then modprobe gspca_main. still no /dev/video0. tried replugging the cam. still no /dev/video0. here is a pastebin of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/7M0pnN78 |
| 22:28.30 | thewanderer1 | Stylles: have you run `apt-get build-dep bind9` already? |
| 22:28.55 | fruitwerks | foul_owl sounds like you need the dev package for the driver |
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| 22:29.09 | thewanderer1 | foul_owl: are you sure the driver supports this webcam? |
| 22:29.21 | foul_owl | someone told me that it did, but I really have no idea |
| 22:29.29 | thewanderer1 | check on your own |
| 22:29.46 | foul_owl | i have found lots of conflicting information |
| 22:29.57 | Stylles | thewanderer1: need to compile in hand |
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| 22:30.36 | thewanderer1 | Stylles: alright, but this command will give you the dependencies needed to build it |
| 22:30.51 | thewanderer1 | and if you're not on Debian, I can't help you... |
| 22:31.43 | Stylles | thewanderer1: already spent this command |
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| 22:35.09 | abrotman | Stylles: why are you compiling bind9 ? |
| 22:35.18 | abrotman | judd: file include/gssapi.h |
| 22:35.21 | judd | include/gssapi.h in lenny/i386: heimdal-dev: usr/include/gssapi.h; libkrb5-dev: usr/include/gssapi.h |
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| 22:37.46 | Stylles | thewanderer1: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/bind9 --with-libtool --enable-shared --disable-static --enable-threads --with-openssl=/usr --with-gssapi=/usr/include/gssapi |
| 22:38.22 | thewanderer1 | can't you just compile it from the package? |
| 22:38.27 | thewanderer1 | you'll save yourself the trouble |
| 22:38.55 | foul_owl | i will paypal you $10 if you can get my webcam working |
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| 22:39.40 | foul_owl | lsusb gives me : 06a5: d800 |
| 22:40.18 | un214 | have you tried googling those numbers? |
| 22:41.33 | foul_owl | yes, apparently it should work with the sunplus driver |
| 22:41.54 | foul_owl | but when i modprobe it, it won't give me a /dev/video0 or /dev/v4l |
| 22:42.30 | foul_owl | do i have to manually create a /dev/video0 ? |
| 22:42.32 | hid3 | Any ideas how long does it take to `fsck` a 1.2 TB ext2 filesystem? |
| 22:42.34 | un214 | sorry can't help you any farther |
| 22:42.42 | foul_owl | no prob |
| 22:43.03 | un214 | hid3: well I do my 1TBdisk in about 5 minutes |
| 22:43.10 | un214 | but it's two smaller chunks |
| 22:43.18 | hid3 | yours probably is ext3, isn't it? |
| 22:43.34 | un214 | it is, but this is when it cannot roll forward a journal |
| 22:43.37 | hid3 | mine is already running for 40 minutes, and it's only stage 1 yet |
| 22:43.48 | un214 | external drive? |
| 22:43.53 | hid3 | no |
| 22:43.58 | hid3 | volumegroup |
| 22:44.03 | hid3 | LVM2 |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | hid3: i'd guess hours |
| 22:44.28 | hid3 | damn... that sucks :( |
| 22:44.40 | hid3 | should I go to sleep? It's almost 1 AM.. |
| 22:44.50 | un214 | sounds good to me |
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| 22:45.17 | anonx2 | anyone else getting file not found errors on the lenny repo? |
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| 22:45.35 | un214 | last time it was due to a bad proxy |
| 22:45.49 | anonx2 | li211-142:/var# apt-file update |
| 22:45.49 | anonx2 | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 22:46.06 | anonx2 | the file doesn't exist on their network |
| 22:46.38 | qq- | anonx2, ignore it |
| 22:49.21 | anonx2 | qq- wow, it works anyway. i thought it was a critical error. thanks for that. |
| 22:49.23 | hid3 | abrotman: do you have at least a clue how long might the fsck run? 3 hours? Less? More? It's 1.1 TB filled... ;( |
| 22:50.08 | abrotman | hid3: what is the CPU speed? |
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| 22:51.43 | fruitwerks | probably like ~12 hours |
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| 22:52.09 | abrotman | he didn't even answer on the CPU yet .. .jeez |
| 22:52.41 | hid3 | abrotman: It's SunFire E450 server. so 4 CPUs @ 248 Mhz |
| 22:52.53 | hid3 | but the fsck is using only one so limited to max 248 Mhz... |
| 22:53.04 | abrotman | uhm .. dude .. seriously? |
| 22:53.09 | hid3 | yeah |
| 22:53.18 | abrotman | i mean that's a SPARC 250Mhz .. but still .. |
| 22:53.26 | hid3 | I wouldn't be asking if it was more sophisticated hardware ;-) |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | hid3: well, i think when it comes back, you'll be doing that ext2->ext3 dance .. right ? |
| 22:53.49 | fruitwerks | what disk interface & spindle speed, raid (soft / hard?) |
| 22:54.20 | hid3 | SCSI, U160, 10k RPM, software raid (LVM2 actually) |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | hid3: i hope you're billing by the hour |
| 22:54.41 | hid3 | abrotman: probably no. This machine was working non-stop for 2 years. Dunno what has happened tonight |
| 22:54.57 | hid3 | ext2 for the performance/speed |
| 22:54.57 | abrotman | probably got tired |
| 22:55.11 | abrotman | hid3: it doesn't work like that anymore .. the performance penalty is so minor |
| 22:55.12 | hid3 | yeah |
| 22:55.22 | hid3 | but it is! |
| 22:55.28 | fruitwerks | :D lmao - yeah I still say about ~12 hours, for a dd I would say three days |
| 22:55.32 | hid3 | On such an old machine... It might feel more |
| 22:55.53 | fruitwerks | I feel the LVM pain on my atom based box |
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| 22:56.51 | hid3 | The fsck started after a bootup but I terminated it and now I'm checking it manually. During ~35 minutes (after the bootup, etc) the progress bar showed it was at 5% |
| 22:57.09 | hid3 | logically: 35 * 20 = 700 mins |
| 22:57.14 | hid3 | sucks :( |
| 22:57.21 | hid3 | I really need to go and sleep |
| 22:57.31 | abrotman | well, why didn't you turn on the progress bar .. jeez! |
| 22:58.04 | hid3 | because I was stupid and tired |
| 22:58.20 | hid3 | I didn't run it with -p option either |
| 22:58.34 | hid3 | so if it will find an error it will hang waiting for my reply, right? |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | is it for work or home? does it need to be working in the morning? |
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| 22:58.52 | hid3 | work. needs to be working |
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| 22:59.04 | hid3 | 12 hours downtime is ok but 15 is the maximum |
| 22:59.22 | abrotman | time for a nap! |
| 22:59.26 | hid3 | should I terminate the fsck and run it with `-p -C`? |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | put a sign on your chest :) |
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| 23:06.04 | TwoTwenty | apt: tell nsadmin about apt |
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| 23:08.40 | hid3 | Is there any fsck config file to specify default arguments for every invoke if `fsck`? I want to be sure that next time I run it, it will apply -p and -C options too if I forget to specify them.. |
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| 23:09.40 | acemi | hid3: use alias |
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| 23:11.51 | hid3 | This is what I was thinking about too. Thanks acemi. |
| 23:12.02 | acemi | np |
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| 23:20.11 | worm | hi, i'm trying to disable shell for a given user and i can't figure out how. if someone can help me please |
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| 23:21.48 | dreamer | hey all, trying to build mplayer with zoran support on sid using this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/zr36067 but there is no DEB_BUILD_CONFIGURE in mplayer-*/debian/rules |
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| 23:22.55 | worm | tvm: thanks |
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| 23:50.17 | ksx4system | strange question: is there a furniture design tool and/or VERY simple and free CAD app for Linux? |
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| 23:50.48 | abrotman | to design a layout or actual furniture? |
| 23:51.50 | ksx4system | actual furniture. I need to design a bit complicated shelf and then just DIY |
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| 23:52.18 | themill | ,info qcad |
| 23:52.19 | judd | Package qcad (graphics, optional) in lenny/i386: A professional CAD System. Version: 2.0.5.0-1-2.1; Size: 2894.7k; Installed: 12176k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/qcad |
| 23:52.33 | EduardeCalibal | Already tried the Wings 3D? |
| 23:52.48 | EduardeCalibal | Is a good low poly modeller. |
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| 23:55.32 | ksx4system | themill: thanks. it should be ok :) EduardeCalibal: I'll take a look on it, thanks! |
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| 23:56.26 | Sp0tter | if running debian under xen, can apt upgarde the kernel and know to get a xen one? |
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