| 00:00.09 | ksx4system | Spotter: it should. however, I'm not 100% sure. |
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| 00:03.32 | Sp0tter | ksx4system: hmm ok |
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| 00:05.01 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... Who create this devices inside the /dev? The module responsable for each device? |
| 00:05.11 | EduardeCalibal | responsible. |
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| 00:25.20 | un214 | udev |
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| 00:30.32 | khem_ | might there be any serious impact setting noatime on my www-data and /tmp filesystem? |
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| 00:31.39 | Bushmills | like, an asteroid crash? |
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| 00:33.48 | kj4 | anyone else want to punch jimmy wales in the nuts? |
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| 00:37.26 | bs4h | kj4: why? |
| 00:39.15 | kj4 | bs4h: i've seen pictures of his head from every possible angle for the past week |
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| 00:45.50 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:13.15 | Yudi_Wijaya | hello, i try to move my /var on /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1, is this correct, i format first the /dev/sdb1 with mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1 ? or should i use ext3 ? I'm running Lenny 5.06 |
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| 01:16.33 | nsadmin | probably ext3 |
| 01:18.32 | Yudi_Wijaya | how to do that? mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 ? |
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| 01:21.17 | Yudi_Wijaya | how to check type of sda1 partition ? |
| 01:22.24 | petemc | file -s /dev/foo |
| 01:23.57 | Yudi_Wijaya | thx |
| 01:26.57 | Tordek | ok, so... I want to install amarok, but it depends on libmtp8, and if libmtp8 is installed, it wants to force my mp3 player as mtp instead of mass storage... is there a way to make libmtp stop doing that? |
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| 01:30.21 | Tordek | nm, I found it |
| 01:30.33 | peterrooney | Tordek: and it would be... |
| 01:30.36 | peterrooney | ? |
| 01:31.05 | Tordek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.33 | Tordek | now it mounts as MSD as $DEITY intended |
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| 01:41.54 | linuxman410 | can someone tell me how to install a lite version of debian |
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| 01:42.27 | iess | linuxman410: expert |
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| 01:42.42 | stew | !ig |
| 01:42.43 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 01:50.45 | nsadmin | apt, factinfo apt |
| 01:50.45 | apt | apt -- created by LeAndroidDemandr <8bb3cf30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.179.207.48> at Wed Sep 22 18:37:37 2010 (59 days); it has been requested 7 times, last by TwoTwenty, 2h 44m 41s ago. |
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| 02:00.15 | katsrc | hello, does anyone have a beginners guide to reporting bugs on debian? |
| 02:00.19 | robin_sz | so, how I pull in the squeeze fglrx X packages into a lenny box? |
| 02:00.35 | katsrc | like what kind of information to include, best practices ? |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | man reportbug ? |
| 02:00.46 | robin_sz | i tried lenny backports and backports sloppy |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | katsrc: whta kind of bug is it? |
| 02:01.18 | katsrc | abrotman: an application (iceweasel) bug |
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| 02:02.13 | abrotman | katsrc: ideally, you would give enough information to reproduce the bug (if you can, and that should be the case), and any logs or data that they can use to test .. and a nice description also |
| 02:02.48 | katsrc | abrotman: ok, great. thanks |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | katsrc: if you use reportbug, it will generate a fair amount of info also |
| 02:02.55 | robin_sz | all i want is dual head working on this ati radeon card :( |
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| 02:04.25 | simonrvn | katsrc: man reportbug :P |
| 02:05.24 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 02:06.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | About a week ago I was here and someone had mentioned a repository or directions on how to get KDE4 on Lenny. Does anyone happen to have that same info so I can take the time to check it out? |
| 02:06.28 | katsrc | thanks everyone for you input |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: probably ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net or check kde.debian.net |
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| 02:10.21 | richo | I've got a machine here with a knackered display. No chance of plugging a display in, is there an easy way to do a remote install? |
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| 02:13.43 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 02:13.43 | dpkg | ssh install is, like, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 02:14.50 | richo | thanks abrotman |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | HI |
| 02:15.04 | abrotman | oh, have fun, good luck |
| 02:15.07 | richo | although that implies that I can see enough to tell it that i want to do a network install |
| 02:15.21 | richo | which I can't (it's an iMac with a toast display, I believe everything else works.) |
| 02:15.34 | richo | do I need to build an installer image that chooses it by default? |
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| 02:25.29 | malchias | any reason why I would need exim4 and postfix both installed? It is for a Lamp server that does wordpress sites. |
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| 02:26.18 | abrotman | how did you get both installed? |
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| 02:27.43 | malchias | I didn't, it's a default install as "server" without any services then I manually added apache2, mysql, etc |
| 02:27.55 | malchias | verifying in history |
| 02:28.01 | jordanm | malchias: those packages are not co-installable |
| 02:28.22 | malchias | actually, I manually installed postfix it looks like |
| 02:28.51 | malchias | so if both are listed in rcconf i can disable exim4 safely? |
| 02:29.33 | jordanm | malchias: your manual installation likely overwrote exim4 system files |
| 02:29.42 | jordanm | and they certainly both can not run at the same time |
| 02:31.21 | malchias | why would it still be listed in rcconf, and will it mess up postfix to apt-get remove exim4? |
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| 02:33.07 | richo | Is there anything else involved in modifying the install cd than just adding my files to the iso? |
| 02:33.11 | jordanm | malchias: all rcconf does in manage symlinks to init scripts |
| 02:33.15 | richo | do I need to regenerate the checksums or anything? |
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| 02:42.58 | katsrc | does anyone use konqueror as their web browser? |
| 02:43.18 | katsrc | i was just wondering how i can configure it to accept cookies ONLY from certain sites |
| 02:43.32 | katsrc | or keep cookies from certain sites |
| 02:44.54 | malchias | What is best practice for something like an ssh jump host. Example, I have a few servers, but want to ssh into one that is secure except for ssh tokens, then from there ssh to others as needed - each of them limiting ssh to the jumphost only. Is there any other recommendations for a setup like this? Or am i being wacky? |
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| 02:47.52 | simonrvn | nah, doable. fix up the keys to allow only certain hostnames/ips to connect. |
| 02:48.10 | simonrvn | you can also config up "only certain commands can be run" |
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| 02:50.09 | malchias | so - jump host idea a waste, or good idea if funds available? ($15 a month) |
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| 02:51.25 | flock-_ | how to execute things on start? |
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| 02:54.05 | NginUS | flock-_: : add command to /etc/rc.local |
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| 02:54.12 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 02:54.12 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 02:54.42 | NginUS | where can I see what the flags are that are listed under /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | !cpu flags |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | !cpuflags |
| 02:55.02 | dpkg | A list of cpuflags and their meaning: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ |
| 02:55.25 | NginUS | abrotman: , I'm thinking like wikipedia for cpu flags though, thats it tyvm |
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| 02:59.56 | nsadmin | when I make init scripts, I like to name them something I think a debian package won't, like my-daemon.local |
| 03:01.51 | Gm4n | my debian xen system isn't booting. Where should I start debugging? |
| 03:02.20 | Gm4n | I have a picture of the screen right before it reboots again, but don't see anything of interest |
| 03:02.29 | malchias | usually, /var/log/messages is a great place to "start" |
| 03:02.46 | nsadmin | Gm4n: the boot messages |
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| 03:03.08 | nsadmin | one specific clue is the last few messages you get before it stops |
| 03:03.14 | malchias | from there, what logs does xen have? |
| 03:03.19 | Gm4n | let me post the picture, one second |
| 03:04.13 | NginUS | GM4n: cat /var/log/syslog |
| 03:04.25 | nsadmin | it may or may not have "booted", depending on your definition of boot |
| 03:04.47 | nsadmin | we'll refrain for now defining that, and see what you have |
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| 03:08.12 | seeker7 | how do i install a file that is a tar.gz on my desktop |
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| 03:15.02 | nsadmin | a .tar.gz is a container, it can contain anything (well, files and dirs) |
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| 03:15.27 | nsadmin | so |
| 03:15.28 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 03:15.33 | ZenWalker | what is sr0 ? cdrom ? |
| 03:15.38 | nsadmin | the first thing you have to do is find out what it contains |
| 03:15.47 | nsadmin | scsi cdrom 0 |
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| 03:15.55 | seeker7 | nsadmin: so it contains a libflashplayer.so file |
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| 03:16.47 | nsadmin | probably that's a browser plugin and it goes where the browser can find it (as a plugin) |
| 03:16.57 | ZenWalker | thx |
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| 03:17.20 | seeker7 | nsadmin: which where would that be |
| 03:17.32 | nsadmin | I dunno :) depends on the browser |
| 03:17.35 | nsadmin | also, |
| 03:17.53 | nsadmin | there are debian packages in non-free section that are flash players |
| 03:18.22 | abrotman | it really doesn't depend on the browser .. you should use the alternatives system |
| 03:18.29 | seeker7 | nsadmin: i have tried vlc, gnash, and swfdec and still can not see video in webpages |
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| 03:18.39 | nsadmin | the packaging figures out where it's to go (and figures out what browsers are present that is aware of plugins, and tries to set them up) |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | seeker7: which version of Debian do you have ? |
| 03:19.09 | nsadmin | also what browsers and versions |
| 03:19.18 | abrotman | the browser doesn't matter, nor does the version |
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| 03:19.35 | seeker7 | newest i believe lenny how do i determine for sure |
| 03:19.38 | nsadmin | it might if he installed them jimself |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | seeker7: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:19.54 | nsadmin | h |
| 03:20.10 | seeker7 | abrotman; just a sec |
| 03:21.26 | seeker7 | abrotman: editor of choice? |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:22.29 | seeker7 | abrotman: 5.01 lenny |
| 03:22.45 | seeker7 | 5.0.5 lenny |
| 03:22.49 | abrotman | seeker7: use the flashplugin-nonfree package from backports.org .. see the instructions there |
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| 03:23.42 | seeker7 | abrotman: ok thanks I will try that and maybe be back for further info. you have been very helpful |
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| 03:27.03 | gMinuses | single quote displays as a solid box in manpage in my console, how do i fix that? |
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| 03:30.04 | flock-_ | what should I do |
| 03:30.05 | flock-_ | checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
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| 03:30.40 | abrotman | !b-e flock-_ |
| 03:30.41 | dpkg | flock-_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 03:30.57 | nsadmin | maybe you don't have a c++ compiler installed, maybe not all of it is installed, maybe libstdc++ is not installed |
| 03:31.26 | flock-_ | hmm |
| 03:31.29 | flock-_ | build essential |
| 03:31.31 | flock-_ | will do it? |
| 03:31.32 | flock-_ | :D |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:31.37 | malchias | any reason to keep selinux running if I'm the only user? and everyone else hits safe php scripts or static pages? |
| 03:31.38 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 03:31.43 | nsadmin | try it and see |
| 03:32.38 | flock-_ | kk |
| 03:33.32 | seeker7 | abrotman: ok the site recommends using aptitude so how do i point it toward backports.org |
| 03:33.47 | abrotman | you read the instructdions, it will tell you how to do that |
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| 03:37.47 | EduardeCalibal | I have how change the number of axis of one detected joystick? |
| 03:38.07 | shalok | When I try to run the Update Manager it asks me for a new password for my keyring. I'm not interested in creating a keyring. How do I revert to the original behaviour where it asks me for a password everytime? |
| 03:39.25 | EduardeCalibal | My joystick have only 2 axies but in the configuration I see 5... |
| 03:39.33 | EduardeCalibal | axes |
| 03:41.04 | EduardeCalibal | ...and my mouse cross the screen every time a try use this device... :-/ |
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| 03:44.17 | hotstepper | Is anyone able to use the Java plugin from Java's website with Firefox 3.6 on testing? |
| 03:45.20 | nsadmin | hotstepper possibly. are you able to use the java plugin that's packaged for use on testing? |
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| 03:45.43 | hotstepper | No. I'm trying to use the non-free one directly from java.com |
| 03:45.58 | hotstepper | oh... I haven't tried the one on the repos |
| 03:46.28 | hotstepper | but this one should work anyway.. shouldn't it? |
| 03:46.29 | abrotman | might not matter since he's not using IW either |
| 03:46.44 | hotstepper | the version on the repo works with firefox 3.6 |
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| 03:47.01 | hotstepper | even though it forces iceweasel to be installed |
| 03:47.11 | tpocra | How can I change the labels assigned to disks/partitions? |
| 03:47.14 | Jonno_FTW | I have a question |
| 03:47.46 | nsadmin | Jonno_FTW you should ask it... then we'll know what it is |
| 03:47.50 | Jonno_FTW | what am I supposed to do about this sort of problem: Release file expired, ignoring http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/dists/testing/Release (invalid since 7h 30min 10s) |
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| 03:47.59 | abrotman | Jonno_FTW: try another mirror |
| 03:48.02 | Jonno_FTW | I have |
| 03:48.06 | Jonno_FTW | I get the same thing |
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| 03:48.13 | abrotman | are you proxied somehow ? |
| 03:48.19 | Jonno_FTW | no |
| 03:48.26 | Jonno_FTW | I'm using sid |
| 03:48.37 | nsadmin | did you run aptitude update? |
| 03:48.52 | Jonno_FTW | I'm using synaptic, I hit the reload button |
| 03:49.32 | nsadmin | does that cause a bunch of files to be received? |
| 03:50.00 | Jonno_FTW | yes |
| 03:50.30 | nsadmin | ok, it sounds possible that reload is doing the same thing as update... so, you would do that each time you try changing mirrors |
| 03:50.39 | Jonno_FTW | I did |
| 03:51.52 | nsadmin | just for kicks try http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian in your deb line(s), and hit reload then try again |
| 03:52.21 | nsadmin | no one else has yet reported this kind of problem in sid, but it could still be a problem |
| 03:53.11 | shalok | Why does 'sudo aptitude' in the KDE alt-F2 thingy not do anything? |
| 03:53.46 | Jonno_FTW | In the repo, there is a file called: http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian/Archive-Update-in-Progress-zeus2.kernel.org |
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| 03:55.57 | nsadmin | oh, maybe it's receiving from its upstream right now |
| 03:57.39 | Jonno_FTW | so would I have to wait? |
| 03:57.47 | abrotman | or try another mirror |
| 03:57.55 | Jonno_FTW | hmk |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | which country are you in? |
| 03:58.42 | Jonno_FTW | Australia |
| 03:58.50 | Jonno_FTW | all 3 mirrors I can use are being updated |
| 03:59.09 | abrotman | can use? |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | there are mirrors in .au |
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| 03:59.24 | Jonno_FTW | With reasonable speed |
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| 04:00.05 | hotstepper | nsadmin abrotman I found out... I think since firefox 3.6 the link has to be to {java}/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so instead of {java}/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so. I just with Java would fix their install instructions page... thanks anyway. |
| 04:00.16 | hotstepper | wish* |
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| 04:00.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah yes, internodes outdate mirror |
| 04:00.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should email them |
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| 04:01.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: problem with trying a different mirror is download quotas :/ |
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| 04:01.50 | Jonno_FTW | also, I am running sid, is there a newer version and should I update? |
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| 04:03.44 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 04:03.58 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah .. i keep forgetting you guys have draconian ISPs :) |
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| 04:05.12 | nsadmin | hotstepper: but if I understand correctly, neither the jvm nor the browser come from debian packages... I'm happy to consider that a short passing rant, but other than that has nothing to do with whatever might be available from debian (unless you did end up using the debian packages for both) |
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| 04:05.55 | hotstepper | It does not have anything to do with Debian... apart from the fact that I'm running Debian. |
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| 04:07.41 | nsadmin | oneliner rant it is then :) |
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| 04:07.50 | hotstepper | not really a rant, but whatever |
| 04:08.05 | nsadmin | statement. |
| 04:08.09 | hotstepper | lol. ok |
| 04:08.24 | hotstepper | I apologize for abusing Debian support then. =P |
| 04:08.46 | nsadmin | I didn't say you did |
| 04:08.53 | franki^ | Please take your non-ranting statements of frustration elsewhere. |
| 04:08.59 | franki^ | :) |
| 04:09.06 | hotstepper | I'm saying I did. |
| 04:10.02 | hotstepper | they won't answer me elsewhere franki =\ |
| 04:10.21 | nsadmin | a theyism :) |
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| 04:11.14 | hotstepper | Now for a Debian-related thing... |
| 04:11.15 | hotstepper | why is Conky on contrib? |
| 04:11.15 | hotstepper | I thought it was free. |
| 04:12.01 | franki^ | Contrib means it is free (But depends on non-free, IIUIC) |
| 04:12.27 | hotstepper | I don't think it depends on non-free. Some non-default features might.. |
| 04:12.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | copyright file should tell you |
| 04:12.57 | hotstepper | I'll check. |
| 04:13.16 | hotstepper | It's probably something silly like Firefox's logo. |
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| 04:16.21 | hotstepper | Actually, according to the copyright file all is either GPL, ISC or BSD... so it's probably some of the many non-standard features I mentioned. |
| 04:16.48 | shalok | Why is it not possible to run x apps with sudo? For example 'sudo xterm' does not work. |
| 04:17.27 | hotstepper | shalok it is. What does it say when you try it? |
| 04:17.42 | Bop | any sed expert ? |
| 04:17.51 | Bop | need to know how to match 5 any chars |
| 04:17.58 | shalok | hotstepper, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/860471 |
| 04:18.49 | shalok | Bop, .{5} |
| 04:18.58 | Bop | nice thanks |
| 04:18.59 | shalok | or just ..... |
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| 04:19.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hotstepper: odd, i'm pretty sure debian/copyright is meant to say why a package is in contrib/non-free |
| 04:20.38 | dondelelcaro | shalok: it is possible, you just have to have permission to access .Xauthority or similar |
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| 04:21.28 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: usually it does, but it's not required. It's often pretty obvious when you look at the package. |
| 04:21.29 | rww | hotstepper: "One binary includes the nvidia stuff so the source has to build-depends on nvidia-settings, which is in contrib.", per http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536320 |
| 04:21.49 | shalok | dondelelcaro, Oh I understand. When I do 'sudo xterm' my $HOME changes to a path that doesn't have the correct .Xauthority in it? |
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| 04:22.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro: ah, i stand corrected then. |
| 04:22.32 | hotstepper | yes rww |
| 04:22.41 | hotstepper | I agree with this guy http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-579102-please-let-conky-be-moved-back-main-help-198400381.html |
| 04:22.57 | hotstepper | It's silly. They could just make an extra package then. |
| 04:23.17 | shalok | dondelelcaro, So how do people usually start x apps as root? |
| 04:23.36 | dondelelcaro | shalok: you normally don't |
| 04:24.12 | dondelelcaro | shalok: but if you had to, you use sux or similar, or sudo XAUTHORITY="/path/to/.Xauthority" foocmd; or similar |
| 04:24.19 | Bop | shalok, aint working :s |
| 04:24.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell shalok -about sux |
| 04:24.43 | shalok | Bop: Give me your whole command line |
| 04:25.31 | Bop | shalok, cat aaa |sed -n -e '/[^91][^96].{7}/p' |
| 04:25.59 | Bop | telephone numbers must be 9 chars , starting with 91 or 96 |
| 04:26.00 | dondelelcaro | Bop: what do you expect that to do? |
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| 04:26.37 | dondelelcaro | Bop: if that's what you're trying to match, then you want '/^9(1|6).{7}/p' |
| 04:26.53 | Bop | hmm |
| 04:26.56 | Bop | let me try |
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| 04:27.19 | Bop | yeah , dondelelcaro , but it does not work :s |
| 04:27.25 | Bop | that's the ideia |
| 04:27.36 | hotstepper | Bop I'm not being rude, but if you type regex on google and click on feeling lucky there's a great quick guide on that website. |
| 04:28.05 | Bop | there are alot of reg exps |
| 04:28.09 | dondelelcaro | though honestly, I use perl way more than I use sed. (That'd be perl -ne 'm/(^9(?:1|6)\d{7})/g && print $1.qq(\n)' aaa; |
| 04:28.23 | dondelelcaro | (and you're also uselessly using cat) |
| 04:29.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | questions better suited for #sed or #bash tbh |
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| 04:29.47 | Bop | dondelelcaro, cat is for my file with the numbers |
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| 04:30.05 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 04:30.24 | kristian-aalborg | which takes less space, chromium or iceweasel? |
| 04:31.04 | dondelelcaro | Bop: yes, which is useless, because sed is perfectly capable of opening and reading files itself |
| 04:31.13 | Bop | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 04:31.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell bop about uuoc |
| 04:32.22 | hotstepper | kristian-aalborg I assume it's Chrome, as it's not nearly as complete. |
| 04:32.23 | shalok | Bop, dondelelcaro's re is fine. Just add the -r switch to sed so that it can understand the (). |
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| 04:32.39 | Bop | hmm |
| 04:32.49 | shalok | Bop, Try cat aaa |sed -n -re '/^9(1|6).{7}/p' |
| 04:33.32 | Bop | shalok, it ignores the lenght |
| 04:33.42 | Bop | it matches 10 char numbers |
| 04:34.00 | shalok | Bop, oh right, add $ |
| 04:34.12 | shalok | Bop, cat aaa |sed -n -re '/^9(1|6).{7}$/p' |
| 04:35.53 | Bop | shalok, that $ is end of line , what does it tell to sed in this expression ? |
| 04:36.34 | shalok | Bop, Like you said it matches end of line. So if the number is 10 chars long it can't match |
| 04:37.00 | Bop | hmm ok , that works :p |
| 04:37.03 | Bop | thanks o/ |
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| 05:00.14 | tehrabbitt-droid | What is the current status for the squeeze installer? Is it broken? |
| 05:00.36 | iflema | iflema_: 555 |
| 05:01.14 | tehrabbitt-droid | Every time I try to select a mirror it tells me that it is invalid |
| 05:01.24 | hotstepper | The Beta1 can't be broken as I've just installed it from the businesscard release. |
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| 05:01.55 | tehrabbitt-droid | That's what I'm using... x64.... what mirror did you use? |
| 05:02.25 | hotstepper | http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I clicked on i386 |
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| 05:02.40 | hotstepper | but ia64 and amd64 seem to be working as well. |
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| 05:02.50 | tehrabbitt-droid | Hm maybe x64 is broken? |
| 05:02.55 | hotstepper | you probably want amd64.. |
| 05:03.15 | tehrabbitt-droid | That's what I'm using |
| 05:03.44 | hotstepper | well.. it's going full speed here. |
| 05:03.55 | hotstepper | try from a different mirror, maybe http://debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 05:04.01 | tehrabbitt-droid | Hm, |
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| 05:04.55 | tehrabbitt-droid | I've tried the us main debian mirror and it just says that testing is not available on that mirror |
| 05:05.44 | hotstepper | Have you tried this link: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-businesscard.iso ? |
| 05:05.44 | tehrabbitt-droid | Ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:05.52 | tehrabbitt-droid | Yes |
| 05:06.01 | tehrabbitt-droid | That's the one I'm using |
| 05:06.24 | hotstepper | this mirror is working for me: http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 05:07.01 | tehrabbitt-droid | Downloads release fine, but then errors out after partitioning when it attempts to install base system |
| 05:07.11 | hotstepper | ohhh... alright.. |
| 05:07.27 | tehrabbitt-droid | So no clue why :( |
| 05:07.38 | hotstepper | Well... even though I used amd64 I highly doubt the amd64 one is broken. |
| 05:07.59 | hotstepper | Do you mean it can't get the files to install? |
| 05:08.35 | tehrabbitt-droid | I mean it downloaded the partitoner, but fails when it tries to download the base |
| 05:08.36 | kristian-aalborg | I messed up my locale :( |
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| 05:08.44 | tehrabbitt-droid | Correct |
| 05:08.54 | hotstepper | weird |
| 05:09.06 | tehrabbitt-droid | It gives an error saying the mirror does not support "testing" |
| 05:09.08 | hotstepper | Maybe get the netinst, I believe that has the base already. |
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| 05:09.37 | tehrabbitt-droid | :/ |
| 05:10.11 | hotstepper | I doubt the us mirror is broken though... |
| 05:10.49 | hotstepper | And I'm not sure it downloads the partitioner.. I think it's on the CD... maybe network configuration has failed. |
| 05:11.41 | tehrabbitt-droid | I doubt it since it says successful and pulls my hostname automativally |
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| 05:12.28 | tehrabbitt-droid | Failed getting release file: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release |
| 05:12.35 | tehrabbitt-droid | That's the error |
| 05:12.50 | hotstepper | Hm.. well, the file is there. |
| 05:13.22 | tehrabbitt-droid | Idk what to do :/ |
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| 05:13.49 | hotstepper | Try either netinst, a weekly build or maybe a full cd it those don't work. |
| 05:13.56 | hotstepper | if* |
| 05:14.13 | hotstepper | or just try selecting a different mirror.. even if it's from another country. |
| 05:14.14 | tehrabbitt-droid | Tried almost all except full cd |
| 05:14.24 | tehrabbitt-droid | Tried it :/ |
| 05:14.42 | tehrabbitt-droid | Been working on this for 4 hours now lol |
| 05:14.50 | hotstepper | heh.. that's really weird. |
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| 05:15.26 | hotstepper | You know, it might be that network configuration is not really succeeding. |
| 05:16.10 | tehrabbitt-droid | How can I check |
| 05:16.28 | hotstepper | You don't have to. If it works it works. |
| 05:17.09 | hotstepper | maybe get stable, change it to testing on /etc/sources.list and upgrade. |
| 05:17.20 | tehrabbitt-droid | Figured it out |
| 05:17.24 | tehrabbitt-droid | Dhcp failed |
| 05:17.29 | hotstepper | told you! |
| 05:17.35 | tehrabbitt-droid | Lol |
| 05:17.41 | tehrabbitt-droid | You did heh |
| 05:17.51 | hotstepper | It's probably the same thing Lenny used to do to me. It never recognized my network card properly. |
| 05:18.00 | tehrabbitt-droid | Set a static IP and bamm lol |
| 05:18.15 | hotstepper | That didn't use to work for me. I always had to get the CD and compile the module =P. |
| 05:18.40 | tehrabbitt-droid | Hm had to do that once :/ lol |
| 05:20.23 | tehrabbitt-droid | Seems to be working thus far lol |
| 05:20.48 | tehrabbitt-droid | Curious, anyone here ever mess with fingerprint scanners and tpm? |
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| 05:22.39 | nsadmin | I'm not sure if I take fingerprint scanners as messing with something... if you're taking someone's fingerprints, that's serious... |
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| 05:23.43 | nsadmin | if it's your own and you're using it as part of authentication, remember that part of that process is having your fingerprint image stored |
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| 05:24.20 | kristian-aalborg | this is the setup I need: |
| 05:24.23 | DEAD_BEEF | tehrabbitt-droid, what is tpm |
| 05:25.03 | kristian-aalborg | danish keyboard; english language; the possibility to switch languages in abiword |
| 05:25.22 | dreamer | anyone here play around with zoran (mjpeg capture) cards? |
| 05:26.06 | tehrabbitt-droid | Fingerprint scanner that's built into my laptop, want to use it for authentication.... and TPM is hardware based security chips used for encryption |
| 05:26.51 | DEAD_BEEF | I'd love to use mine for sudo |
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| 05:27.46 | hotstepper | lol DEAD_BEEF, that'd be a pain |
| 05:28.15 | tehrabbitt-droid | Why would it be a pain? Lol |
| 05:28.27 | DEAD_BEEF | hotstepper, yeah why? |
| 05:28.39 | hotstepper | I don't know, it just would. |
| 05:28.41 | DEAD_BEEF | besides having to take your hand from the keyboard |
| 05:28.44 | franki^ | The good thing about using fingerprint scanners is that you leave copies of our fingerprints all over your computer, yay. |
| 05:28.46 | hotstepper | What if your finger is dirty?! |
| 05:28.53 | franki^ | s/our/your/ |
| 05:28.57 | tehrabbitt-droid | Lol |
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| 05:29.46 | hotstepper | Using it for login would actually be kindda cool. |
| 05:30.14 | tehrabbitt-droid | Hence why I want to..... apparently its kinda possible lol |
| 05:30.17 | hotstepper | Maybe it's me that's too reckless... I use 'sudo rm -Rf' 99% of the time I need to delete something. lol |
| 05:30.21 | kristian-aalborg | it's been done? |
| 05:30.27 | DEAD_BEEF | using it for website passwords would be the mutts nuts |
| 05:31.05 | tehrabbitt-droid | Personally id like to use my tpm chip to encrypt things :-/ |
| 05:31.17 | tehrabbitt-droid | And use the fingerprint as the key |
| 05:31.32 | DEAD_BEEF | tehrabbitt-droid, How do I know if i have a tpm chip |
| 05:31.45 | tehrabbitt-droid | Check your bios |
| 05:31.50 | hotstepper | The only thing cooler would be retinal scan... |
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| 05:31.56 | tehrabbitt-droid | Most newer computers have them |
| 05:32.04 | DEAD_BEEF | hotstepper, your reading my mind |
| 05:32.11 | DEAD_BEEF | probably my email too |
| 05:32.15 | tehrabbitt-droid | Tpm is a hardware based encryption processor of sorts |
| 05:32.20 | hotstepper | hah.. |
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| 05:33.06 | tehrabbitt-droid | Rebooting into my new install now :) lol |
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| 05:33.34 | Penix | wenas |
| 05:34.49 | yagoo | anyone hear about that 233 kernel line patch? apparently it's supposed to be an improvement-- even torvalds applauds it.. |
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| 05:35.12 | yagoo | just read http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101117/tc_pcworld/tinylinuxkernelpatchdelivershugespeedboost;_ylt=AhMs9mT.yoa_Hk_YExZwGXOor7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTNsZDNvMmdqBGFzc2V0A3Bjd29ybGQvMjAxMDExMTcvdGlueWxpbnV4a2VybmVscGF0Y2hkZWxpdmVyc2h1Z2VzcGVlZGJvb3N0BHBvcwM5BHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA3RpbnlsaW51eGtlcg-- |
| 05:35.48 | tehrabbitt-droid | Yagoo, what is it |
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| 05:36.22 | hotstepper | cool |
| 05:36.23 | yagoo | tehrabbitt-droid, it's a scheduler improvement.. see the article.. |
| 05:36.35 | tehrabbitt-droid | Ah |
| 05:36.47 | tehrabbitt-droid | I'm onmy cell phone |
| 05:37.00 | yagoo | patch came out in oct 19.. but it'l lbe mainstream in the .38 kernel... |
| 05:37.20 | nsadmin | who serves droids? |
| 05:37.20 | tehrabbitt-droid | Hm cool |
| 05:37.41 | tehrabbitt-droid | If I want to install kde, what's the first thing I should install? |
| 05:37.44 | yagoo | just 233 lines of code can make a big difference.. |
| 05:37.57 | hotstepper | X? |
| 05:38.08 | yagoo | tehrabbitt-droid, use tasksel .. |
| 05:38.46 | nsadmin | you're going to install kde on your droid?! |
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| 05:39.24 | hotstepper | well... sometimes 5 letters of code can make a big difference... as is the case on ATI's latest driver. |
| 05:39.31 | tehrabbitt-droid | Haha noo, though that would be nice |
| 05:39.56 | yagoo | hotstepper, yeah.. but even mr Torvalds had to say something about it.. it really is a killer patch.. :) |
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| 05:40.25 | hotstepper | Torvalds talks a lot =P... |
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| 05:40.52 | yagoo | doesn't think hotstepper knows the gravity about the patch being related to |
| 05:41.23 | yagoo | hotstepper, instead of yapping.. try the patch and compare it to before and after.. |
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| 05:41.52 | nsadmin | what version of the kernel is the patch meant to apply to? |
| 05:41.53 | hotstepper | I don't doubt it. |
| 05:42.40 | yagoo | ( http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/19/123 ) |
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| 05:45.14 | hotstepper | the latest, I suppose nsadmin |
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| 05:46.18 | nsadmin | hmm... it might be applied already on some git repo |
| 05:46.24 | shalok | In KDE, how do I get rid of the "panel tool box" cashew button? |
| 05:46.46 | tehrabbitt-droid | Shalok idk if you cn |
| 05:46.48 | tehrabbitt-droid | Can* |
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| 05:51.38 | tehrabbitt-droid | What package is kde? |
| 05:51.52 | tehrabbitt-droid | For apt I mean |
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| 05:58.39 | franki^ | tehrabbitt-droid: There are many packages that make up KDE, but "kde-full" might be what you're looking for |
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| 05:58.59 | franki^ | tehrabbitt-droid: Try "aptitude search kde" ;) |
| 05:59.26 | franki^ | tehrabbitt-droid: Also "aptitude show kde-full" |
| 05:59.52 | tehrabbitt-droid | Kde 4.2 is only in sid? |
| 06:00.11 | franki^ | shrugs |
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| 06:02.36 | jaoziN | help-me |
| 06:02.50 | jaoziN | to install madwifi generate an error |
| 06:03.06 | jaoziN | /root/madwifi-ng/ath/if_ath.c: In function 'ath_attach': |
| 06:04.37 | richo | does anyone know when vlc will work again? |
| 06:05.21 | dreamer | richo: for me it does so already |
| 06:05.30 | richo | fullscreen support? |
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| 06:05.38 | richo | vlc -f [whatever] doesn't play fullscreen in sid |
| 06:05.42 | richo | and in lenny drivers don't work |
| 06:06.28 | dreamer | richo: works fine here, sid also |
| 06:06.37 | richo | oh |
| 06:06.38 | richo | wierd |
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| 06:06.46 | richo | works fine here if I call it directly |
| 06:06.51 | richo | but with the http interface nothing |
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| 06:07.06 | dreamer | never used that, can't help you |
| 06:07.49 | richo | no stress |
| 06:07.50 | richo | thanks anyway |
| 06:09.00 | dreamer | still wrestling with this zoran card |
| 06:10.16 | dreamer | and also a brooktree card, I can't get an image on either (using xawtv or tvtime) |
| 06:11.12 | hotstepper | richo are you sure the http interface is configured properly? |
| 06:11.28 | richo | hotstepper: same command line as worked before I rebuilt the machine |
| 06:11.41 | richo | I can cue up and play media no problems |
| 06:11.46 | richo | but it doesn't play fullscreen |
| 06:11.53 | hotstepper | what happens when you try it? |
| 06:12.13 | richo | plays at whatever resolution the file is in the top left hand corner |
| 06:13.01 | hotstepper | I think you need "autoscaling" enabled in the preferences. |
| 06:13.41 | richo | I will try that. The same command line without the http interface plays fullscreen fine |
| 06:15.07 | hotstepper | try 'vlc -f --autoscale file.avi' |
| 06:15.16 | richo | that already works |
| 06:15.22 | richo | I will try vlc -f --autoscale -I http |
| 06:15.28 | richo | which is the one that's not working |
| 06:16.24 | richo | nope, no dice |
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| 06:17.34 | shalok | In KDE global keyboard shortcuts, how exactly do I type a 'backtab' and how is this different from shift+tab? |
| 06:18.56 | hotstepper | richo it works here. Are you using the graphical http interface? in the browser? |
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| 06:27.37 | richo | hotstepper: |
| 06:27.38 | richo | yes |
| 06:27.47 | richo | the exact command run it vlc -f -I http |
| 06:27.48 | richo | or |
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| 06:27.55 | richo | vlc -f --autoscaling -I http |
| 06:27.57 | richo | neither works |
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| 07:42.55 | Bushmills | try different output. x11 instead of xv, for example |
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| 07:53.47 | Hyphenex | just a quick question.. Why are debian packages so out of date? |
| 07:54.16 | krisfremen | Hyphenex: because you're using debian lenny |
| 07:54.19 | tpocra | Hyphenex: What branch of Debian are you running? |
| 07:54.41 | Hyphenex | I mean, transmission is still running 1.2 |
| 07:55.00 | krisfremen | Hyphenex: either use backports, or upgrade to squeeze |
| 07:55.06 | Hyphenex | 5.0.6 |
| 07:55.14 | tpocra | Hydroxide: I would not use lenny |
| 07:55.21 | tpocra | Hyphenex: Upgrade to Squeeze |
| 07:55.25 | Hyphenex | it's what the latest net install was :P |
| 07:55.29 | tpocra | Version 2.03 is in Squeeze |
| 07:55.37 | tpocra | Hydroxide: There are Squeeze net install discs. |
| 07:55.46 | tpocra | Oops, sorry Hydroxide not you. |
| 07:56.04 | Hyphenex | I had to install via pxeBoot |
| 07:56.04 | tpocra | Hyphenex: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:56.18 | tpocra | No Optical drive? |
| 07:56.22 | Hyphenex | nope |
| 07:56.30 | Hyphenex | can I just upgrade without the installer? |
| 07:56.30 | tpocra | Hyphenex: You can dist-upgrade to squeeze from lenny |
| 07:56.43 | Hyphenex | I need to change my sources.list to do that though right? |
| 07:56.47 | tpocra | Hyphenex: Change all instances of "lenny" to "squeeze" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:56.51 | Bushmills | Hyphenex: "debian packages so out of date" - wrong question. better ask "why are lenny packages not the very last version" |
| 07:56.55 | tpocra | and then run "apt-get dist-upgrade" as root |
| 07:57.08 | Hyphenex | can do. Thanks |
| 07:58.16 | tpocra | I am trying to build a new RAID-6 array with 12 drives in mdadm. I have made a single large partition on the drives, so I can use sdc1, sdd1, sde1, etc. but I think it may be best to use UUIDs. Is this true? |
| 07:58.59 | tpocra | Also I am confused/on the fence about which metadata version to implement. My drives are 2TB each, if that makes a difference. |
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| 08:06.53 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have have various python versions installed and I can't quite figure out how to make one default for "python" |
| 08:07.50 | hyper_ch | I tired update-alternatives --config python (as I did for selecting java) but that doesn't work |
| 08:08.42 | rozie | hyper_ch: there should be entry in /etc/alternatives, but I don't see one |
| 08:09.15 | rozie | you may report a bug, probably (if there's no report already) |
| 08:09.19 | rozie | Squeeze here |
| 08:09.33 | rozie | and I have both 2.5 and 2.6 installed |
| 08:10.16 | rozie | there's symlink /usr/bin/python -> python2.6, but I guess right way is to use alternatives... |
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| 08:11.06 | hyper_ch | ah.. found it: https://codeghar.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/update-alternatives-in-debian/ |
| 08:11.08 | hyper_ch | :) |
| 08:11.17 | rozie | so if you change symlink to point to other version it will make it 'default'. but I recommend posting a bug report |
| 08:11.21 | hyper_ch | python seems not to auto-install itselves :) |
| 08:11.32 | hyper_ch | or rather the package does not :) |
| 08:12.39 | rozie | hyper_ch: read comments. it's not so easy |
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| 08:13.23 | hyper_ch | weird... the symlinks seem to be correct now but it still gives my 2.7 from the self compiled install which I remove |
| 08:14.48 | jasonmock | Being primarily a fedora/redhat user, is there a great example out there that shows a quick a dirty example of how to package sources for deb? Unfortunately I'm just trying to quickly package something that is normally only provided as source, because I really don't want to just build and install manually without the package manager being involved... |
| 08:16.15 | jasonmock | I think I've gotten the basics of initing the debian directory via dh_make, however I'm getting undefined reference failures from something that normally builds ok when I'm not involving the debian packaging... |
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| 08:16.47 | hyper_ch | jasonmock: maybe this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html |
| 08:17.15 | hyper_ch | rozie: found the problem... there were still some symlinks in /usr/local/bin |
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| 08:18.36 | jasonmock | Do the entries for dependancies in 'control' also effect which libraries are available during build time (say in the case of a chroot/fakeroot)? |
| 08:18.54 | jasonmock | that might make sense (just reading through that page provided by hyper_ch). |
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| 08:19.08 | jasonmock | Thank you again, I'm looking at it now so see if it gives me any insight... |
| 08:19.35 | hyper_ch | jasonmock: the ubuntu wiki is usually also very useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic |
| 08:21.11 | hyper_ch | good luck |
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| 08:22.12 | jasonmock | Thanks! I guess I'm trying to hurry myself a bit too much. Like I said... just too used to the rpm way of doing things :) |
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| 08:31.48 | tpocra | Are there any downsides to using mdadm metadata version 1.2 vs. 0.90? |
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| 08:39.15 | mrcarrot | if i have two debian installations, is it possible to save the list of installed packages in the first and then install the same packages in the second without a script or do i need to make script from the output of dpkg -l |
| 08:40.37 | Hyphenex | just did a dist upgrade, what's this mean? E: Release file expired, ignoring http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/dists/squeeze/Release (invalid since 12h 24min 32s) |
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| 08:50.03 | benji123 | Hi, is there something like a subversion-dev package in the debian distrib ? |
| 08:50.17 | benji123 | svn header files |
| 08:51.29 | poisonbit | libsvn-dev ? |
| 08:52.11 | poisonbit | mrcarrot, lookup about dpkg-get-selections and dpkg-set-selections in google |
| 08:52.39 | mrcarrot | poisonbit: thank you! |
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| 08:53.33 | poisonbit | Hyphenex, no idea about that msg, if you run "update"... does it show again ? |
| 08:53.34 | mrcarrot | this was what i wanted |
| 08:54.47 | poisonbit | Hyphenex, as the msg talks about a file in the mirror, if the error continues, you can try changing mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list and running update |
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| 08:54.50 | jargon- | trying to encode with mencoder errors: MPlayer was compiled without libmp3lame support. how do i fix this? |
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| 08:55.53 | poisonbit | jargon-, recompiling? i think debian-multimedia.org had lame, liblame and mplayer compiled with that options years ago, i don't know currently |
| 08:56.09 | poisonbit | s/mplayer/memcoder/ |
| 08:56.43 | jargon- | poisonbit: damn. i was hoping it just needed some library installed |
| 08:57.00 | poisonbit | "MPlayer was compiled without" |
| 08:57.00 | jargon- | poisonbit: how do i recompile with libmp3lame support,then? |
| 08:57.32 | poisonbit | instaling that lib if it is available in debian, and looking at ./configure --help in the package sources |
| 08:57.46 | poisonbit | i think lame was not in debian by license issues |
| 08:58.00 | jargon- | aaah |
| 08:58.03 | jargon- | ok,thanks |
| 09:00.05 | poisonbit | jargon-, http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/package/mencoder.php that package is already compiled depending on libmp3lame in the same repo |
| 09:00.53 | poisonbit | adding that unsupported and unofficial repo, you could get mencoder with lame/mp3 support just using apt-get |
| 09:03.04 | jargon- | poisonbit: hmm. that seems to be a lenny pkg,but i'm on squeeze |
| 09:03.25 | poisonbit | edit the url or go to root URL / |
| 09:03.37 | jargon- | ok |
| 09:04.55 | jargon- | poisonbit: what part of the url do i add to my sources.list? |
| 09:05.34 | poisonbit | looking at instructions it says: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 09:07.07 | jargon- | it does? where? :-/ |
| 09:07.44 | poisonbit | in the main page http://debian-multimedia.org/, scroll down |
| 09:08.35 | poisonbit | if you get warnings running update, after adding the repo, look at faq 1 in the same site: http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.php#q1 the repo is signed |
| 09:08.44 | shalok | Hyphenex: Try http://ftp.netspace.net.au/pub/debian/ |
| 09:09.54 | jargon- | poisonbit: oic. thank u! :-) |
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| 09:10.22 | hektik | I need help plz. I'm running debian 5.0. I accidentaly deleted the init script for proftpd (/etc/init.d/proftpd) can anyone help me on how to get this back? |
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| 09:10.46 | shalok | hektik, You could try reconfiguring it |
| 09:10.58 | hektik | shalok: how would i go about doing that |
| 09:11.11 | tpocra | What cipher should I use for 256-bit Serpent for dm-crypt/LUKS? |
| 09:11.20 | shalok | hektik: fire up aptitude, browse to proftpd and hit 'R' |
| 09:11.30 | hektik | heh |
| 09:11.36 | hektik | im using command line |
| 09:12.04 | shalok | hektik, so uhm, type 'aptitude' and press enter? |
| 09:12.12 | shalok | =/ |
| 09:12.26 | hektik | if you dont know, why are you even answering? |
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| 09:12.37 | dutchfish | hektik: your proftpd package is prolly still in apt's cache you can extract content as dpkg-deb -x {deb-package name} {target directory} and copy the missing file manually |
| 09:13.09 | hektik | dutchfish: sounds like a good idea, let me try it |
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| 09:17.05 | dutchfish | hektik: for next time, think 'backup' ;) |
| 09:17.24 | hektik | well, its my fault. was in the wrong directory |
| 09:17.41 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 09:17.41 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 09:18.07 | valdyn | hektik: ^^ |
| 09:18.43 | hektik | heres the problem though |
| 09:18.53 | hektik | the proftpd init script is not kept in any of the proftpd packages |
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| 09:19.01 | valdyn | hektik: nonsense |
| 09:19.15 | hektik | dude.. |
| 09:19.17 | hektik | lol |
| 09:19.21 | hektik | i just googled this problem for 2 hours |
| 09:19.28 | hektik | everyone has had no luck in getting it back |
| 09:19.41 | valdyn | hektik: i already gave you the command via dpkg |
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| 09:19.59 | valdyn | hektik: now you just need to pick the right package |
| 09:20.52 | valdyn | hektik: "apt-file search proftp | grep init" yields: proftpd-basic: /etc/init.d/proftpd |
| 09:21.11 | hektik | k |
| 09:21.14 | hektik | its proftpd-basic |
| 09:21.34 | valdyn | hektik: in sid it is, i dont know about lenny |
| 09:22.32 | valdyn | !find init.d/proftp |
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| 09:22.41 | valdyn | !test |
| 09:22.41 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 09:23.36 | hektik | k it worked |
| 09:23.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'init.d/proftp' (1): (/etc/init.d/proftpd) in net/proftpd-basic. |
| 09:23.42 | hektik | purged the proftpd-basic and force reinstalled it |
| 09:24.01 | valdyn | hektik: not as elegant as the command above, but does the job.. |
| 09:24.22 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/proftpd-basic/filelist |
| 09:24.38 | boodie | Hi (OT): I have a DVD recorded from my TV set ... now I would like to cut the adverts and re-burn it. What kind of program could do it (i.e. KINO)? |
| 09:24.38 | hektik | lol |
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| 09:26.00 | valdyn | hektik: confmiss would have preserved your configuration changes, but if you had none, nothing is lost |
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| 09:27.19 | dutchfish | boodie: i use kdenlive, maybe kino can do it too |
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| 09:44.49 | HackeMate | how to change the language to gnome? |
| 09:44.59 | HackeMate | in kde is kde-110-lang |
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| 09:48.32 | dutchfish | HackeMate: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:49.01 | HackeMate | i dont need the language pack? |
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| 09:49.24 | HackeMate | im talking about the language of the menus |
| 09:49.58 | EduardeCalibal | Install the language pack, local... |
| 09:50.12 | HackeMate | yes, what is the name? im trying to find it |
| 09:50.20 | dutchfish | HackeMate: the dpkg-reconfigure locales command will install/compile language packs when you intruct it to use another language |
| 09:50.28 | HackeMate | ah ok |
| 09:50.59 | dutchfish | HackeMate: after that a relog is needed for your gnome session if i am not mistaken |
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| 09:52.03 | HackeMate | works perfect, thanks |
| 09:52.08 | dutchfish | yw |
| 09:52.30 | HackeMate | the last thing, the console says user@dhccp6:~$ |
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| 09:52.39 | HackeMate | how to change the dhccp6 for another word |
| 09:52.42 | HackeMate | etc/host? |
| 09:53.03 | dutchfish | !hostname |
| 09:53.03 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 09:53.13 | HackeMate | ah nice |
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| 09:55.00 | HackeMate | i have the console in my native language and the X session in english |
| 09:55.06 | HackeMate | i guess i should change the X language in somewhere |
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| 09:55.44 | dutchfish | HackeMate: did you relog your gnome session? |
| 09:55.52 | HackeMate | yes i did |
| 09:55.55 | HackeMate | i'll restart |
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| 09:58.30 | HackeMate | ah, restart was ok |
| 09:58.42 | HackeMate | i did relog in session but didn't restart X |
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| 09:59.19 | acemi | afaik, restarting gdm works |
| 10:00.14 | dutchfish | acemi: ah ic, i have not used gnome in a long time, thanks |
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| 10:06.53 | cusco | hi |
| 10:07.13 | cusco | how can I edit the "mail" command used by the debian pop contest? |
| 10:08.40 | cahoot | via update-alternatives perhaps |
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| 10:11.05 | dutchfish | cusco: $(EDITOR) /usr/share/doc/popularity-contest/FAQ.gz |
| 10:12.33 | cusco | need to gunzip it first :p |
| 10:12.37 | cusco | ok |
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| 10:13.02 | dutchfish | cusco: mine does on the fly, but ok |
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| 10:14.49 | ov3rmind | hi friends |
| 10:15.10 | cusco | nano doesn't |
| 10:15.17 | dutchfish | true |
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| 10:17.18 | peterrooney | most gunzips on the fly |
| 10:17.48 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.56 | angel-tsankov | is the cl-bibtex package available for debian? |
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| 10:22.27 | superlinux | hi. Can I make my desktop has a depth? I mean a true 3D interface? |
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| 10:23.05 | f8l | superlinux: You don't mean Compiz, do you? |
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| 10:23.21 | fi9o | f8l: :] |
| 10:23.29 | fi9o | Maly ten frinoÅd |
| 10:24.21 | superlinux | f8l, no! I know compiz |
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| 10:24.36 | superlinux | I mean everything will have depth |
| 10:25.43 | superlinux | like I can make the windows live in some depth, when i want one I look around... as If i am in the game DOOM |
| 10:26.32 | ov3rmind | somebody over me uses more than one distro in the same box? and maybe, help me to solve one trouble with debian "802.11 wireless conection"? |
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| 10:28.42 | hid3 | good morning everyone... |
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| 10:29.09 | superlinux | hid3, morning |
| 10:29.09 | hid3 | If anyone recalls my fsck vs 1.2 TB battle, it has finished in less than 2 hours ;-) |
| 10:29.18 | ov3rmind | hi hid3 |
| 10:29.54 | superlinux | hid3, so do you mean that fsck took that long? |
| 10:29.58 | f8l | hid3: Nice. My fsck vs 80G usually lasts half an hour. |
| 10:30.23 | hid3 | superlinux: yes, it was 1.2 TB ext2 partition... |
| 10:30.26 | valdyn | hid3: fsck mainly gets slower by number of files, not devices size |
| 10:31.22 | valdyn | ... since it checks files, not files' contents |
| 10:31.25 | superlinux | hid3, i think you should partition the disk to get a number of fsck's running in parallel. i know it's the same disk at the end |
| 10:31.36 | valdyn | superlinux: to slow it down? |
| 10:31.44 | superlinux | no |
| 10:31.52 | valdyn | superlinux: but thats what that would do |
| 10:32.04 | hid3 | superlinux: actually I need everything in one partition. It's a mirror |
| 10:32.13 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:32.21 | hid3 | worst case scenarion I could mount the partition unchecked |
| 10:32.40 | hid3 | glad everything is OK ;-) |
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| 10:33.14 | superlinux | but don't you think fsck x 2 is still good? |
| 10:33.22 | valdyn | superlinux: no |
| 10:33.28 | superlinux | emmm. |
| 10:33.32 | valdyn | superlinux: fsck is limited by seeks |
| 10:33.37 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:33.42 | valdyn | superlinux: you can easily check on 2 different disks at a time |
| 10:33.52 | superlinux | of course |
| 10:33.58 | valdyn | superlinux: but 2 fsck on the same disk is very very bad |
| 10:34.21 | superlinux | breaks the disk torque. hehe! |
| 10:35.15 | superlinux | is fsck multi threaded? i know is not |
| 10:35.26 | hid3 | number of fsck instances should be equal to CPU count, assuming one fsck per disk and assuming you have number of disks >= number of CPU's |
| 10:35.27 | valdyn | superlinux: that would be silly |
| 10:35.38 | valdyn | hid3: no |
| 10:35.41 | superlinux | valdyn, just to save time |
| 10:35.49 | hid3 | why not? |
| 10:35.51 | valdyn | superlinux: it wouldnt save time |
| 10:36.05 | valdyn | hid3: because one cpu is able to run alot of fsck without being utilized fully |
| 10:36.27 | hid3 | depends on CPU ;-) |
| 10:36.42 | hid3 | I have a machine with 4x 250 MHz CPUs (SPARC) |
| 10:36.52 | hid3 | I wouldn't run more than one per CPU.. |
| 10:36.59 | valdyn | hid3: i suppose |
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| 10:37.14 | valdyn | hid3: but even then i wouldnt be sure |
| 10:37.46 | superlinux | I am thinking of the following algorithm: 1- you read ahead some data. 2- while fixing you would be writing earlier data |
| 10:38.21 | valdyn | superlinux: fsck does not take significant amounts of cpu on a normal system |
| 10:38.52 | superlinux | aha! but it's accumulative |
| 10:38.58 | Hyphenex | poisonbit: Yep, changing mirrors worked.. Thanks :) |
| 10:39.05 | hid3 | In fact, fsck sucks. Since it usually is forced to run when you need it at least :( |
| 10:39.22 | superlinux | any way.. it's unfeasible |
| 10:39.24 | valdyn | hid3: so use a setup that does not need fsck? |
| 10:39.41 | hid3 | valdyn: a journaling fs? |
| 10:39.49 | valdyn | hid3: for example, yes |
| 10:40.01 | hid3 | what are other options? |
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| 10:40.12 | valdyn | hid3: xfs does fsck online |
| 10:40.28 | hid3 | is it faster than ext2? |
| 10:40.37 | valdyn | hid3: depends |
| 10:40.48 | hid3 | depends on what exactly? |
| 10:40.49 | superlinux | the fastest are i think zfs and reiser |
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| 10:41.05 | leon_worldwide | Good Morning! Is there a commandline tool to see the amount of network traffic? |
| 10:41.08 | valdyn | hid3: xfs is better on large files |
| 10:41.16 | valdyn | hid3: i dont know about small files |
| 10:41.30 | superlinux | leon_worldwide, netscanner |
| 10:41.30 | hid3 | and reiser is better for small ones, right? |
| 10:41.47 | hid3 | What about ext4? How much slower it is than ext2? |
| 10:41.53 | valdyn | hid3: reiser is really outdated, its not the fastest for anything by now i think |
| 10:42.05 | leon_worldwide | superlinux: i dont have that. |
| 10:42.10 | valdyn | hid3: ext4 is aswell faster for large files and i dont know about small files |
| 10:42.21 | superlinux | it's not a debian pkg |
| 10:42.27 | leon_worldwide | im looking for something like vmstat but for network traffic |
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| 10:42.42 | leon_worldwide | i only need to know how much data gets send an received. |
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| 10:42.44 | f8l | hid3: I have ext4. I feel it's faster than ext3, but I use ext2 only for /boot, so I cannot tell. |
| 10:42.46 | hid3 | the problem is that I have mix of files. Size as small as a few bytes/kbytes to as large as a DVD/CD |
| 10:43.10 | superlinux | the one i tell you about will tell you every one connected to your router |
| 10:43.19 | hid3 | OK, thanks for advice. Need to go and get my breakfast now ;-) |
| 10:43.27 | valdyn | hid3: since the speed difference is not that huge unless you use large files, i would use a journaling fs, any of the popular ones |
| 10:43.51 | f8l | hid3: Maybe you should consider raiser, UFS, or other "alternative" filesystems? |
| 10:43.58 | hid3 | well, I thought this system will never hang unexpectedly ;-) |
| 10:44.10 | f8l | is looking forward to try btrfs. |
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| 10:44.25 | valdyn | btrfs *is* slow |
| 10:44.25 | superlinux | leon_worldwide, netscan is called |
| 10:44.56 | leon_worldwide | superlinux: maybe, but i prefer pre installed stuff. |
| 10:45.22 | acemi | leon_worldwide: bwm-ng |
| 10:45.28 | valdyn | but i dont think fs speed is really that important beyond a certain point and some special cases |
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| 10:46.07 | f8l | valdyn: Is it? I thought it was better than ext and friends... |
| 10:46.35 | valdyn | f8l: its one of the slowest fs right now |
| 10:46.40 | ernstl | aptitude is complaining that i have a package installed which should be removed, how can i ignore this message? i cannot install any software without removing first this package |
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| 10:47.28 | leon_worldwide | acemi: thanks |
| 10:47.55 | acemi | np |
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| 10:50.57 | ov3rmind | someone can help me with cfg80211 kernel module call to crda in my debian this is breaking the note to connect to my access ppoint with one simple home wireless network, why this not occur undder gentoo and slack? |
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| 10:54.20 | f8l | valdyn: According to couple first Google results on "btrfs speed test" it's opposite to what you say. |
| 10:55.06 | valdyn | f8l: do you know how old the oss.oracle.com benchmark is? |
| 10:56.11 | f8l | valdyn: So it's slowing down? |
| 10:56.36 | valdyn | f8l: some things slowed down yes |
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| 10:57.42 | valdyn | f8l: its not made with speed as primary concern |
| 10:57.54 | f8l | valdyn: They probably added some features that made it slower, but still I think it's worth trying. |
| 10:58.18 | valdyn | f8l: sure, im not denying that, just if you go btrfs for speed, thats the wrong reason |
| 10:58.56 | sedulous | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-style-tango_3.2.1-9_all.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:58.57 | valdyn | f8l: block checksums, snapshots, subvolumes, raid, thats better |
| 10:58.57 | f8l | valdyn: Which one do you suggest then? |
| 10:59.01 | sedulous | is anyone else getting this? ^ |
| 10:59.26 | f8l | sedulous: Have you tried to remove it from cache? |
| 10:59.30 | sedulous | f8l: yes |
| 10:59.38 | sedulous | I also tried two different mirrors |
| 11:00.09 | valdyn | f8l: ext4 probably |
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| 11:00.39 | sedulous | i'm looking forward to btrfs' transparent compression for backup file systems |
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| 11:01.17 | sedulous | then you can have rsync/rdiff backups that don't waste too much disk space |
| 11:01.55 | f8l | valdyn: I have ext4... Still my ~/ needs couple of seconds to be read, and it contains only ~300 files. |
| 11:02.37 | f8l | valdyn: I guess it may be my laptop disk's fault though. |
| 11:02.42 | valdyn | f8l: my /usr/share/doc just took 0.4 seconds and thats more like |
| 11:02.53 | valdyn | f8l: 5k files |
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| 11:04.07 | valdyn | f8l: i dont know whats wrong with your ext4, but those 3 seconds are something else |
| 11:04.13 | FreeFull | How would I go around downloading about 4100 different packages that I have stored as a space-separated list in a file? |
| 11:04.40 | hid3 | Anyone know a live-cd for SPARC which would have memtest86 tool for memory checking? |
| 11:06.13 | f8l | valdyn: Well, my disk's long seeks are probably the problem. It can read at 30M/s, but has trouble to exceed 1M/s during normal work (when starting programs for example). |
| 11:06.37 | FreeFull | The reason I want to do this is that I'm missing most of the files that should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info, so I want to download the packages and get the missing files back in there |
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| 11:08.32 | hid3 | Or any other ideas how can I test memory on a SPARC machine (probably with OS running)? |
| 11:08.51 | valdyn | hid3: compile a kernel |
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| 11:09.18 | valdyn | hid3: theres also a memtest program and package |
| 11:09.54 | hid3 | Will compiling the kernel use all the memory available in the system or just a few hundreds of megs? |
| 11:10.05 | valdyn | hid3: just what it needs |
| 11:10.13 | ernstl | how can i ignore a conflict in aptitude? it asks me to remove a package, and without removing it aptitude doesnt allow me to do any other action as installing other software. what can i do? |
| 11:10.18 | Bushmills | no just the kernel compilation will (should) |
| 11:10.23 | hid3 | I'm trying to troubleshoot a system which hung without a reason.. Memory is what I might suspect... |
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| 11:10.36 | hid3 | It was running OK for at least 120 days before that |
| 11:10.36 | Bushmills | you probably have not a lot of free mem left even right now |
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| 11:10.39 | FreeFull | ernstl: No other resolutions for the conflict? |
| 11:11.14 | jbee | hi there, i did a dpgk --set-selections < listfile, but there have been mistakes. how can i undo it without (de)installing anything? |
| 11:11.20 | ernstl | it says remove Y/n/q and selecting no it repeats the remove Y/n/q prompt |
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| 11:12.52 | WormFood | when I go to install debian testing from a netinstall CD, in expert mode, I managed to make it display the setup screens on the 2nd terminal, and all the input on the 1st terminal :D is that a bug or a feature? (I got it to do that, by changing the console <alt>-<F1,2,3,4> while everything is initializing.) |
| 11:13.12 | hid3 | valdyn: I've found a tool 'memtester'. You can specify Megs of RAM to test for it. So let's say my system has got 2 Gigs and I specify 1500 Megs to test, Will it test the first 1500 megs or no matter of their location? |
| 11:13.21 | hid3 | Any ideas about that? |
| 11:13.31 | valdyn | hid3: it cannot control what its testing |
| 11:13.31 | ernstl | " nautilus-dropbox: Hängt ab von: libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2) aber 2.30.1-2 ist installiert." |
| 11:13.44 | ernstl | depends on libnautilus-extension1 but is not installed |
| 11:13.52 | valdyn | hid3: it will allocate 1500 megs and the kernel gives it that amount of ram |
| 11:14.03 | ernstl | or is installed but newer version, but i dont understand what is the conflict xD |
| 11:14.14 | WormFood | hid3, if the program operates from within linux, then it would be whatever memory the OS gives you. (most likely)...if you want to test ram, then do it outside of linux |
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| 11:14.53 | hid3 | WormFood: Thanks. So basically if I run the checker a few times, there's a chance it will check different memory segments, right? |
| 11:15.09 | valdyn | hid3: yes |
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| 11:15.18 | WormFood | hid3, get the knoppix live CD, and boot with that, and select memtest86 (unless the live debian CD/DVD also has memtest86, then use that) |
| 11:15.29 | valdyn | WormFood: he is not on x86 |
| 11:15.35 | hid3 | Under SPARC? |
| 11:15.47 | hid3 | I know memtest86 is great ;-) |
| 11:15.58 | hid3 | That's what I usually use |
| 11:16.17 | WormFood | yes hid3, that is correct, but you won't be able to test all the memory from within linux, unless you can manage to get it to "live" at a different address, so you can test the memory where it normally lives. |
| 11:16.20 | valdyn | hid3: just try that tool, memtest86 will not get all errors either |
| 11:16.29 | valdyn | hid3: no tool will |
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| 11:16.56 | hid3 | yeah, trying... better something than nothing |
| 11:16.57 | WormFood | in fact, I've seen memory test programs HIDE memory problems, and show all good, when there were major problems) |
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| 11:17.42 | valdyn | hid3: heat up your system at the same time, probably via disk load and 3d chip load etc |
| 11:17.56 | WormFood | I had an old '286 years ago, that the RAM refresh circuit died, and if you booted the machine fast enough, and ran a memory test, it would run for days, all good, but as soon as you stopped the memory test, it would lock up the computer within 15-30 seconds |
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| 11:18.16 | valdyn | hid3: ( thats why memtest86 easily misses issues since it causes about no heat ) |
| 11:18.37 | WormFood | and the reason that worked that way, is because the ram test acted like a software refresh, replacing the broken hardware refresh |
| 11:18.59 | WormFood | I've been working with computers long enough to have seen some really weird problems |
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| 11:19.32 | valdyn | memtester would probably miss that too |
| 11:19.34 | valdyn | gcc would not |
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| 11:19.53 | valdyn | but gcc cant tell you where the issue is.. |
| 11:20.21 | WormFood | one time had a monitor destroy a keyboard....keyboard was sitting on my lap, I reached up to the monitor to wipe the dust off the screen, and the static electricity from the monitor, went through my body, to the metal back on the keyboard, destroying the microcontroller in the keyboard |
| 11:20.22 | dutchfish | valdyn: mm.. can gdb? |
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| 11:20.58 | WormFood | gcc puts the computer under a fairly good load....it seems to be a good tester of systems....because if you have a problem, that likes to like, gcc can make it come out and play |
| 11:20.58 | valdyn | dutchfish: no |
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| 11:21.17 | WormFood | that likes to hide* |
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| 11:21.58 | hid3 | OK.. Let's see what memtester gives me with 5 loops and 1500 of 2048 megs of ram.. |
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| 11:23.26 | WormFood | hid3, memory problems can be a bitch to troubleshoot sometimes....took me a month to figure out that was the problem with my router....sometimes you have to forget the tests, and go by your gut instinct....and then replacing the memory is also a good test |
| 11:24.20 | WormFood | now days memory is so cheap...I got 3 gig on my laptop (because it won't use 4 gig), and 8 gig on my desktop....I have more RAM now, than my first 10 hard drives added together |
| 11:24.24 | hid3 | Yeah, but I have like 16 modules of RAM in the actual system... |
| 11:24.36 | WormFood | oh, then that should be easy |
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| 11:24.50 | WormFood | waitaminute....16 modules to make up 2 gig or ram? |
| 11:24.56 | hid3 | and they're SIMMs ECC |
| 11:25.02 | hid3 | yep |
| 11:25.09 | fafa | Hi guys, I'd like some help to solve a gigabit problem |
| 11:25.19 | WormFood | damn! |
| 11:25.41 | hid3 | you won't buy like those.. Not to talk about cheaply or not ;-) |
| 11:25.51 | WormFood | hid3, you seem confident you have a memory problem....are you trying to isolate the bad memory module? |
| 11:26.05 | hid3 | I'm not confident |
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| 11:26.12 | hid3 | I have some spare modules |
| 11:26.14 | WormFood | or are you still trying to determine if it is a memory problem? |
| 11:26.26 | hid3 | so If I find memory is the problem, I'll try to isolate and replace |
| 11:26.37 | hid3 | I'm NOT sure if the memory is the problem |
| 11:26.38 | WormFood | I didn't see everything you said before I came to my computer....did you say what the symptoms are? |
| 11:26.42 | X4Fly | hi |
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| 11:26.51 | hid3 | The system hung for no reason after ~120 days of uptime |
| 11:27.11 | valdyn | hid3: no error message? |
| 11:27.15 | WormFood | did you look in the log files for any clues? |
| 11:27.18 | hid3 | of course not! |
| 11:27.23 | hid3 | yep |
| 11:27.27 | hid3 | it just stopped... |
| 11:27.35 | valdyn | hid3: bad ram and will normally give an error |
| 11:27.36 | Bushmills | believes a computer always has a reason if/when it hangs |
| 11:27.43 | valdyn | hid3: bad ram *can* and will normally give an error |
| 11:28.06 | WormFood | yeah, with bad ram usually the computer will act flaky more and more until it won't boot |
| 11:28.13 | hid3 | I had some bad ram earlier in other systems but never seen those errors... |
| 11:28.29 | hid3 | So any ideas how should I troubleshoot? |
| 11:28.43 | valdyn | hid3: sure you wont see it if you cant/dont look at dmesg |
| 11:28.51 | WormFood | well, if it takes 4 months for the problem to show up, then it could take years to troubleshoot |
| 11:28.56 | hid3 | I did! |
| 11:28.56 | X4Fly | i am using a command line which results in a list of files. is it possible to use the result to create symbolic links? |
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| 11:29.12 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 11:29.23 | rozie | hid3: http://rozie.blox.pl/2010/01/Jak-bezpiecznie-korzystac-z-uszkodzonej-pamieci.html (use google translate) |
| 11:29.25 | lenswipe | can someone tell me where i can snag a copy of JDK to make netbeans work |
| 11:29.30 | WormFood | some other common problems it could be hid3, is power supply, and hard drive |
| 11:29.30 | hid3 | The dmesg log was empty |
| 11:29.32 | valdyn | X4Fly: funny question -> write a program that does it |
| 11:29.35 | lenswipe | its winging about me only having JRE |
| 11:29.53 | rozie | but sometimes computers just hang |
| 11:30.10 | hid3 | rozie: thanks! |
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| 11:30.22 | WormFood | rozie, that is not the answer I like, but yeah, sometimes I just can't come up with a good reason as to why sometimes a machine just stops |
| 11:30.46 | WormFood | unless the machine is running windows, then it has plenty of reasons to stop ;) |
| 11:30.46 | X4Fly | valdyn, no change with using pipes or other shell commands? |
| 11:30.59 | hid3 | WormFood: could the machine hang even it has got 2 PSUs? |
| 11:31.00 | valdyn | X4Fly: bash is a complete programming language |
| 11:31.08 | rozie | well, there's even solar activity which may make corruption in memory |
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| 11:31.28 | WormFood | hid3, if it does not happen all the time, then how are you supposed to troubleshoot it? |
| 11:31.31 | rozie | and it's pretty often |
| 11:31.58 | X4Fly | http://pastebin.com/XQpZZKJ6 |
| 11:32.06 | rozie | hid3: test the memory, and start to gather some data about processes running, memory usage |
| 11:32.20 | WormFood | hid3, has this machine had any other similar problems in the past? |
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| 11:32.30 | rozie | hid3: it could be some issue with electricity |
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| 11:32.49 | hid3 | WormFood: no, AFAIK, but I'm the new owner of it |
| 11:32.55 | WormFood | rozie, he is running a dual power supply...I suspect it is not a power issue |
| 11:32.57 | valdyn | X4Fly: while read file; ln $file; done < your_list |
| 11:33.08 | hid3 | electricity.. No I think. It's behind some commercial UPS systems.. |
| 11:33.10 | valdyn | X4Fly: while read file; do ln $file; done < your_list |
| 11:33.13 | hid3 | voltage regulation, etc... |
| 11:33.17 | valdyn | X4Fly: dont copy before you understand.. |
| 11:33.19 | WormFood | hid3, just reboot, and forget about it....until the next time it happens....then check your notes. |
| 11:33.31 | hid3 | WormFood: that's what I did ;-) |
| 11:33.50 | WormFood | I can't tell you anything better to do, until the problem shows up again. |
| 11:33.58 | WormFood | what types of tasks is this server doing? |
| 11:34.21 | hid3 | It serves archive.. Rsync, http (apache) and ftp (vsftpd) |
| 11:34.22 | rozie | oh, OK. if it's colocation, it should work for years |
| 11:34.31 | X4Fly | valdyn, I will try..... |
| 11:35.01 | rozie | 120 days is nothing for servers |
| 11:35.04 | valdyn | X4Fly: obviously you can just aswell append the code with a pipe instead of usign the temporary file |
| 11:35.13 | hid3 | yep... was expecting for more! |
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| 11:36.02 | WormFood | 06:35:43 up 676 days, 17:52, 10 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.01 <-- this is decent server uptime :D |
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| 11:36.36 | WormFood | and that isn't even a real server, it is an old compaq P3 desktop.....but it is reliable :D |
| 11:36.50 | hid3 | I love reliable machines |
| 11:36.59 | WormFood | I mean, not a real server in hardware....just a normal desktop |
| 11:37.08 | hid3 | I ha a HP NetServer E60. Had ~800 days uptime until I took it for an upgrade |
| 11:37.23 | hid3 | now it has got two 700 MHz P3 CPUs instead of @x 400 MHz.. |
| 11:37.36 | hid3 | 95 days of uptime, already... |
| 11:37.37 | hid3 | ;-) |
| 11:37.39 | WormFood | I will have to take my 676 day uptime machine down, because one of the hard drives died in it (raid 1) |
| 11:37.57 | hid3 | Hotswap?! |
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| 11:38.24 | hid3 | taking down the 'last standing machine' sucks :( |
| 11:38.47 | WormFood | what is funny, is the fact that I get 676 days of uptime, and I'm not even there!....when I was there, the longest uptime I could get was 400 days, because I'd get at least one extended power outage every year (I lived where 2 hurricanes hit a week apart in florida years ago, if anyone remembers that) |
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| 11:39.54 | shalok | When I run dosbox it generates the following error: |
| 11:39.55 | hid3 | I live in a non-seesmic area but power outages are really frequent here... |
| 11:39.56 | shalok | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:40.00 | WormFood | I would have no problems hot swapping the drive, even tho it isn't hot swappable....but the problem is the computer is literally on the other side of the world from me, and I only know one or two people there I trust enough to touch my computer. |
| 11:40.19 | shalok | Why does it do this? I can play mp3's ok with audacious. |
| 11:40.34 | hid3 | I don't have such trusted people at all :( |
| 11:40.48 | WormFood | hid3, I heard we had a minor earthquake here a few days ago, and I didn't even feel it (I was on a bus at the time, which is probably why) |
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| 11:42.03 | [CDN]Creation | brb |
| 11:42.20 | hid3 | OK, I have a plan. IF the machine hangs next time, I will replace half of the RAM modules. If it will hang later, I will replace the rest ones |
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| 11:42.40 | WormFood | and next year, you'll know if it helped |
| 11:42.53 | hid3 | yep |
| 11:42.56 | WormFood | ok...but if the machine does not hang, then how do you know if the memory was the issue? |
| 11:43.11 | hid3 | I won't |
| 11:43.16 | WormFood | then why do it? |
| 11:43.30 | hid3 | Because I need to do something ;-) |
| 11:44.19 | WormFood | I fixed a weird problem with my girlfriend's computer, through logical deduction....took a week to do it, because it would run fine most of the time, but crash once or twice a day |
| 11:44.34 | hid3 | Still would like to find some utility like memtest86 for SPARC machines.. |
| 11:45.12 | WormFood | I pulled out the hard drive, and booted a Linux live CD, and ran it for days with no problem, so I determined the hard drive is bad....I put a spare 20 gig in it, and it ran fine.... |
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| 11:46.04 | WormFood | but then my girlfriend decided everything is ok, but she wanted her 80 gig drive back in the computer, so I put a different hard drive in it (not the original one), and it goes back to having problems again.....all 3 hard drives are good...just the 80 gig drives won't work in the laptop |
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| 11:46.47 | WormFood | 20 gig drive == 500 ma draw....80 gig drive, is I think 650 ma |
| 11:46.48 | hid3 | strange.. |
| 11:47.03 | WormFood | the larger drive put more load on the electrical system |
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| 11:47.08 | WormFood | I think it has bad caps |
| 11:47.17 | WormFood | but that isn't the strangest thing...... |
| 11:47.35 | WormFood | take the "bad" 80 gig drive, and put in a usb case, and plug into the computer, and it works fine |
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| 11:48.03 | WormFood | the drive will not work internally, but will work externally, where it draws more power (because of the case).....freaky, eh? |
| 11:48.40 | hid3 | that sucks! |
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| 11:49.08 | WormFood | I have an explanation for that too ;) Different power circuits to power the internal hard drive, vs the usb power (and it makes sense to not have them tied together from the same source) |
| 11:49.55 | hid3 | well, but a laptop with external HD isn't very comfortable option... |
| 11:49.59 | WormFood | you don't want the +5 volts on the USB line, to be the exact same +5v line powering the guts of the computer....what happens if someone shorts out the usb....want it to kill the computer? ;) |
| 11:50.06 | valdyn | we had this computer that crashed when being touched |
| 11:50.14 | valdyn | *but* only when running windows |
| 11:50.22 | hid3 | :)))) |
| 11:50.23 | WormFood | I had a light sensitive computer |
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| 11:50.38 | WormFood | if you put a piece of tape over the eproms, it wouldn't work |
| 11:50.59 | valdyn | its actually broken usb hw with cheap windows drivers vs a linux driver that only prints an error and does not crash |
| 11:51.03 | hektik | if i do apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install will it do it for all the dep as well? |
| 11:51.10 | WormFood | and to prove that is really it, I have the light on...I close the case, and the computer crashes....I cover up the window on the eprom, and it crashes |
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| 11:51.43 | WormFood | what? eproms don't work that way? yes, I know....and I know that they are not sensitive to light like that....and honestly, if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it....but there it was |
| 11:52.59 | dutchfish | WormFood: was it light or emk-field? ;) |
| 11:53.17 | WormFood | the computer was a 68000 based machine, that I built from a kit.....and by "kit", I mean it was a bare circuit board.....I had the absolute minimal system.....cpu, static ram, serial port, and roms...plus a few support chips |
| 11:53.20 | WormFood | roms=eproms |
| 11:53.48 | WormFood | after I built the rest of the computer, with the dynamic ram, and hard drive controllers and stuff like that, it worked normal, and never had that problem again |
| 11:54.39 | WormFood | I showed my friend, and it was in complete disbelief....he said "it don't work that way", while he sees me doing these tests to PROVE it was in fact the eproms causing the problem (my friend wrote the contents of the eproms) |
| 11:55.18 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:56.11 | WormFood | why does the debian install CDs not have the firmwares for the cards that need it, like my wireless card for example.....I mean, I know the firmware is "non-free", but aren't they freely distributable? |
| 11:57.07 | sedulous | WormFood: it's because of the Debian Social Contract: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 11:57.12 | dutchfish | WormFood: debian cd's do have free firmware on the cd, read the debian-policy. |
| 11:58.44 | hid3 | I use a debian CD probably once ow twice per two years ;-) (hence the talk about the uptimes, etc..) |
| 11:59.33 | engla | WormFood: non-free is not part of official Debian |
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| 12:00.09 | chewed-on | Hey guys |
| 12:00.22 | chewed-on | Don't you think this is one hell of a nice debian logo ? http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/game/race/zerg/ :D |
| 12:00.43 | chewed-on | (scroll down a little to the purple Zerg logo) :) |
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| 12:01.12 | ThePub | looks like text to me |
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| 12:07.05 | WormFood | I think it is bullshit that I have to go through extra steps to install debian over my wireless card, because my wireless card uses non-free firmware. I think there should be an exception with firmware on the install media. It feels like I'm being penalized because I have the "wrong" wireless card in my laptop. |
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| 12:08.28 | oracle | is there a setup disc that installs the bsd kernel |
| 12:08.35 | oracle | and is that technically still linux? |
| 12:09.11 | hid3 | OK. Let's say my system might have crashed due to a HDD error. Will specifying 'errors=remount-ro' might have at least a chance to have the system stay up? |
| 12:09.48 | WormFood | it depends on the nature of the problem....most likely you're going down |
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| 12:10.16 | abrotman | hid3: you're still awake?! |
| 12:10.26 | hid3 | abrotman: yeah! :D |
| 12:10.48 | hid3 | abrotman: did you go to sleep? ;-) |
| 12:10.51 | abrotman | hid3: the errors=remount-ro is normal .. most ext2/3/4 filesystems have that |
| 12:10.56 | abrotman | hid3: FSVO sleep, yes |
| 12:10.58 | hid3 | You have overslept the most interesting ! ;-) |
| 12:11.26 | abrotman | your fsck failed? |
| 12:11.38 | hid3 | it suceeded! ;-) |
| 12:11.48 | hid3 | way faster than we thought |
| 12:11.48 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 12:11.59 | hid3 | This is excellent |
| 12:12.12 | hid3 | The bad is that I dunno the reason my system hang.. |
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| 12:12.52 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 12:13.42 | abrotman | did you at least convert to ext3? |
| 12:13.52 | hid3 | Nope... |
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| 12:14.15 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:14.16 | hid3 | I'll see what will happen next |
| 12:14.28 | hid3 | Actually I expect to get a new(er) machine for al lof this |
| 12:14.31 | abrotman | so nothing in the logs or anything? |
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| 12:14.41 | hid3 | Nothing, unfortunately... |
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| 12:16.23 | abrotman | are you going to stress the machine todaY? |
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| 12:17.59 | hid3 | Well, not sure how.... |
| 12:18.02 | hid3 | Would like to.. |
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| 12:20.33 | solar_sea | Hi. I have a chrooted, debootstraped i386 debian lenny inside my amd64 system. I've also installed dchroot and configured it to be useable for normal users. When I chroot manually into the i386 installation, X apps work, when I login as user - they don't. What should I do I can have them appear on my amd64's X server ? |
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| 12:22.22 | abrotman | hid3: you can pick different parts to stress |
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| 12:22.45 | abrotman | hid3: which versoin of debian is htis ? |
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| 12:23.35 | hid3 | abrotman: It's lenny |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | judd: info stress --release lenny |
| 12:23.49 | judd | Package stress (devel, extra) in lenny/i386: A tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system. Version: 0.18.9-1; Size: 19.4k; Installed: 92k |
| 12:23.55 | hid3 | Firstly I'd like to stress RAM, I think.. |
| 12:23.58 | abrotman | never used it myself .. but hey .. have at it! |
| 12:24.16 | hid3 | I'm not i386, that's what the problem... |
| 12:24.33 | abrotman | so? |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | judd: info stress --release lenny --arch sparc |
| 12:24.38 | judd | Package stress (devel, extra) in lenny/sparc: A tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system. Version: 0.18.9-1; Size: 19.3k; Installed: 100k |
| 12:24.40 | abrotman | see! |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | i was just being lazy .. sorry |
| 12:25.01 | hid3 | nice. Thanks! |
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| 12:26.17 | abrotman | hid3: read the docs, see if it does what you want |
| 12:26.46 | hid3 | That's what I'm doing right now.... |
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| 12:28.56 | ov3rmind | now i read under internet resources, one tip about my problem with cfg80211, CRDA calls to update regdomain under debian. anyone caan explain more about it to help me to configure it better. thks all for patience! |
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| 12:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice to let the screensaver lock keepassx... or have it lock on no activity similar to a screensaver |
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| 12:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, nobody untrustworthy around right now, so don't need autolock, I guess |
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| 12:34.33 | abrotman | hid3: any luck ? |
| 12:35.32 | anoob | hi, sometimes my debian has sounds, sometimes not... now i'm with a pair of usb speaker but i do need to fix it. any idea? |
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| 12:40.49 | trifler_ | . |
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| 12:46.11 | hid3 | abrotman: nothing yet |
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| 12:56.39 | cusco | hi |
| 12:57.13 | cusco | I really don't know where to ask this, nanorc color setting.. what colors can it have? is there a list |
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| 12:58.03 | hektik | is their a way for aptitude to ignore a package is in the list? |
| 12:58.11 | hektik | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:58.11 | hektik | plesk-mail-qc-driver: Conflicts: psa-mail-driver |
| 12:58.11 | hektik | psa-mail-qc-driver: Conflicts: psa-mail-driver |
| 12:58.22 | hektik | im getting that error and i want psa-mail-qc-driver to just be removed from the tree |
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| 12:58.40 | abrotman | hektik: maybe ask the plesk people why their stuff doesn't work |
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| 13:01.22 | hid3 | I will never find the cause of the problem :( |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | hid3: it's possible it was something out of oyur control .. perhaps wait and see if it happens again ? |
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| 13:02.41 | hid3 | yeah... |
| 13:02.51 | hid3 | It might happen in 100 days or sooner ;-) |
| 13:03.02 | hid3 | I expect to get a new(er) system for this anyway |
| 13:03.29 | hid3 | the hardware is old. Everything is made in mid 1997s |
| 13:03.44 | hid3 | But I love the server.. It's so cute... |
| 13:03.53 | hid3 | and it copes with it tasks nice too... |
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| 13:06.58 | abrotman | hid3: yeah, i used to do Solaris/SPARC .. nice stuff |
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| 13:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hid3, a problem that only comes around every 100 years and has vanished just now actually doesn't sound so bad to me... |
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| 13:11.28 | nsadmin | WormFood, your laptop have a wired eth? |
| 13:12.32 | hid3 | CutMeOwnThroat: It's not 100 years ;-) But I really want this system to be stable as rock.. |
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| 13:13.07 | abrotman | hid3: switch to ext3 is a decent start :) |
| 13:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, you said 100 days... well, that's only a factor of 365 |
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| 13:15.53 | hid3 | abrotman: what exactly will that change? |
| 13:16.12 | hid3 | is the ext2 what is causing the crash, in your human opinion? |
| 13:16.26 | abrotman | ideally you would have a far lower fsck time if there is an issue |
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| 13:16.59 | hid3 | well, I can skip the fsck (I did adjust my fstab for that already) and have it mounted without being checked |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | that doesn't sound very stable :) |
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| 13:19.32 | hid3 | yeah but still |
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| 13:35.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | since debian squeeze is in freeze now, is it sane to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 13:36.31 | Carmageddon | I need help with configuring proftpd server on Debian system with a mod_exec.c module: I have downloaded the source, did ./configure --with-modules=mod_exec then make and make install. However from here on, I am not sure how to proceed - I am unable to find any guidelines by googling.. I dont even know where is the .conf file supposed to be. Only guides there are either configuring it as normal user (while I want it to run as root), or via apt-get (w |
| 13:36.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | on a non critical system ofc |
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| 13:39.01 | hid3 | KaffeeJunky123: debian team suggests using the squeeze CD if you install a new system |
| 13:39.06 | hid3 | read debian.org news |
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| 13:39.32 | Carmageddon | anyone with experience on proftpd? |
| 13:39.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | hid3: the question is, could I upgrade an existing lenny installation without reinstalling |
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| 13:41.19 | hid3 | KaffeeJunky123: of course! |
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| 13:42.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | replacing all lenny repositorys with squeeze ones and doing a safe-upgrade, reboot then doing a full-upgrade should work? |
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| 13:42.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've some packets installed from backports, could that lead to any problems? |
| 13:43.04 | hid3 | I usually do it without rebooting |
| 13:43.15 | hid3 | I don't think backported backages will cause problems |
| 13:43.18 | hid3 | just go for it |
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| 13:43.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I probably should remove the backports repo, right? |
| 13:44.37 | acemi | probably squeeze packages are newer then lenny backports packages |
| 13:45.34 | nsadmin | KaffeeJunky123, that would be done fairly early in the process... but first bring your lenny uptodate |
| 13:46.39 | abrotman | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 13:46.39 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 13:47.09 | wrksx | hi all ! |
| 13:47.18 | wrksx | I got an error while starting mysql |
| 13:47.35 | wrksx | it is logged to syslog, but I don't know how to read these? |
| 13:47.42 | wrksx | can anyone help ? |
| 13:48.14 | nsadmin | syslog usually logs to local files in /var/log |
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| 13:48.41 | nsadmin | but look at your syslog configuration to see exactly what logs to where |
| 13:48.51 | wrksx | nsadmin, the problem is /etc/init.d/mysql start report 'failed' |
| 13:49.09 | wrksx | nsadmin, and I don't know what syslog is |
| 13:49.16 | wrksx | nsadmin, where should I check ? |
| 13:49.41 | wrksx | I mean where should be the syslog conf ? |
| 13:49.42 | acemi | try restart, in stead of start |
| 13:50.09 | wrksx | acemi, same thing |
| 13:50.10 | nsadmin | syslog is a centralized logging facility where server programs (like mysql) can send log messages |
| 13:50.26 | wrksx | nsadmin I mean where should be the syslog conf ? |
| 13:50.37 | nsadmin | in /etc I would think |
| 13:50.46 | wrksx | ok i'll take a look thank you |
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| 13:51.00 | nsadmin | that's where most system-wide configs are |
| 13:51.17 | wrksx | ok you got me I should've know |
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| 13:51.35 | nsadmin | consider it a reminder :) |
| 13:51.39 | wrksx | sure |
| 13:52.46 | wrksx | nsadmin, cat /etc/syslog.conf | grep mysql returns nothing |
| 13:52.54 | nsadmin | I put it the way I did on purpose so there was a chance your mind would pick it up one way or another |
| 13:53.29 | nsadmin | so look at the mysql config to see if there's a section that describes what to log to |
| 13:53.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | /etc/rsyslog.conf maybe? |
| 13:54.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | but what do you want with the configuration anyways? |
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| 13:54.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | you're looking for logs, right? |
| 13:54.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | So search for mysql in /var/log |
| 13:54.21 | wrksx | RIGHT ! |
| 13:54.27 | acemi | ls /var/log/mysql* |
| 13:54.28 | wrksx | lol |
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| 13:55.07 | wrksx | KaffeeJunky123, these are empty |
| 13:55.41 | wrksx | And I found this in my.cnf: |
| 13:55.41 | wrksx | # Error logging goes to syslog due to /etc/mysql/conf.d/mysqld_safe_syslog.cnf. |
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| 13:57.11 | wrksx | Thanks to syslog I can't even now what's failing |
| 13:57.21 | nsadmin | so mysql does not use syslog? |
| 13:57.48 | wrksx | nsadmin, I suppose it should since i found this # Error logging goes to syslog due to /etc/mysql/conf.d/mysqld_safe_syslog.cnf |
| 13:57.58 | wrksx | in my.cnf |
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| 13:58.25 | acemi | wrksx: is there enought free space in your partitions? |
| 13:58.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: it should |
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| 13:59.39 | nsadmin | wrksx, what user are you doing this as? |
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| 14:13.22 | hersoy | !kernel |
| 14:13.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20101119, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.37-rc2-git7, mainline 2.6: 2.6.37-rc2, stable 2.6: 2.6.36 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.8 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.7 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.25 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.14 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.55 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.10 |
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| 14:15.46 | Phantom_Hoover | OK, APT has stopped working. |
| 14:16.15 | cahoot | it *is* Sunday after all |
| 14:16.18 | Phantom_Hoover | It can't resolve the se.mirrors.kernel.org servers or the UK Debian ones, and Software Sources stops. |
| 14:16.36 | Phantom_Hoover | With a load of errors about a distribution template being absent. |
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| 14:17.50 | Phantom_Hoover | Does noöne have any suggestions? |
| 14:18.07 | jelly-home | "fix your dns resolver" |
| 14:18.18 | Arafangion | Odd username, that. "noöne" |
| 14:18.32 | Phantom_Hoover | That doesn't explain Software Sources not working any more. |
| 14:18.45 | jelly-home | Arafangion: uid 655öö |
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| 14:19.00 | jelly-home | I have no idea what Software Sources is, sorry |
| 14:19.15 | Phantom_Hoover | The GUI thing for tinkering with sources.list and such. |
| 14:19.32 | jelly-home | Phantom_Hoover: which release of debian is that? |
| 14:19.37 | Phantom_Hoover | Squeeze. |
| 14:19.44 | jelly-home | oh, something new |
| 14:20.07 | jelly-home | probably imported from ubuntu and less reliable than one'd hope |
| 14:20.10 | Arafangion | Probably synaptic? |
| 14:20.51 | jelly-home | it would call itself Synaptic if that were so |
| 14:21.00 | Phantom_Hoover | Synaptic works fine. |
| 14:21.33 | jelly-home | Phantom_Hoover: this is the point where you check the bug tracking system and possibly file a fresh bug report |
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| 14:22.08 | jelly-home | Phantom_Hoover: use the process/binary name to figure out which package the GUI belongs to |
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| 14:22.23 | Phantom_Hoover | What's the sources.list thing for the main Debian repository? |
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| 14:22.55 | jelly-home | !tell Phantom_Hoover about sources.list |
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| 14:23.35 | wrksx | nsadmin, acemi, sorry I was afk. I finally checked /var/log/syslog which logged the mysql errors. I found out that I forgot to copy some mysql data files. Thanks for your help ! |
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| 14:25.01 | nsadmin | wrksx, welcome... but did you notice you did most of the work? |
| 14:25.45 | nsadmin | YOU found out what YOU needed to do |
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| 14:29.38 | wrksx | nsadmin, ok you may be right. =) where you maybe can help me more is why syslog does log these errors/messages in '/var/log/syslog' instead of a mysql.log or something. Or maybe you know how can I achieve that ? |
| 14:30.01 | anoob | my sound doesn't work at all... any idea? http://pastebin.com/YNms346u |
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| 14:30.24 | nsadmin | what facility and severity is mysql logging to? |
| 14:30.35 | anoob | lsmod: http://pastebin.com/xWETtf2P |
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| 14:31.04 | cahoot | anoob: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in aterminal - any errormsg? |
| 14:31.47 | anoob | cahoot http://pastebin.com/QxfNs2E8 |
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| 14:32.21 | cahoot | anoob: no sound? |
| 14:32.29 | anoob | nops |
| 14:32.35 | anoob | sorry, there are more output |
| 14:32.36 | nsadmin | cahoot, I'll wait till you two are done but I'm getting "Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy" |
| 14:32.38 | anoob | wait a minute please |
| 14:33.07 | anoob | http://pastebin.com/CMB1FdMR |
| 14:33.54 | nsadmin | anoob: could you run it again like this: |
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| 14:34.21 | anoob | nsadmin, what should i run? |
| 14:34.26 | nsadmin | LANG=C speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 14:34.59 | cahoot | anoob: try (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (then speaker-test again) |
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| 14:35.34 | cahoot | nsadmin: no culprit shown in fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 14:35.37 | cahoot | ? |
| 14:35.42 | anoob | http://pastebin.com/gkRr8vA0 |
| 14:35.51 | slooth | Hello. I want to upgade kmess to a higher version, but there's no support for Lenny, which I am using. Any ideas what should I do? Thanks. |
| 14:36.40 | cahoot | anoob: try (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1 - maybe the modemdevice is set as card0? |
| 14:36.44 | nsadmin | does kmess interact with other installed programs? |
| 14:36.54 | nsadmin | cahoot: checking |
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| 14:37.41 | slooth | Yeah |
| 14:38.02 | slooth | I think it does, yes |
| 14:38.08 | slooth | It requires much higer version of some libraries |
| 14:38.15 | nsadmin | cahoot: jackd |
| 14:38.30 | slooth | higher* |
| 14:38.49 | nsadmin | which is what I wanted for something else... |
| 14:39.15 | cahoot | what app induces the error? |
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| 14:39.43 | nsadmin | slooth: so you already have a mixed system somehow |
| 14:40.02 | slooth | nsadmin, no? |
| 14:40.09 | Floops | morning |
| 14:40.23 | Floops | having some major seg faults not sure why its happenin |
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| 14:40.26 | Floops | any ideas |
| 14:40.27 | Floops | http://pastebin.com/YkCZcmTy |
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| 14:43.48 | nsadmin | , versions kmess |
| 14:43.49 | judd | Package kmess on i386 -- etch: 1.4.3-2; lenny: 1.4.3-2.1; sid: 2.0.3-2; squeeze: 2.0.3-2 |
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| 14:47.12 | nsadmin | it does depend on a big pile of libs |
| 14:47.23 | slooth | Exactly.. |
| 14:47.34 | nsadmin | which debian are you running? |
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| 14:47.41 | slooth | Lenny |
| 14:47.45 | slooth | 5.0 |
| 14:48.04 | nsadmin | and what's wrong with kmess-1.4.3-2.1? |
| 14:48.30 | slooth | I need other features, such as having able to post a message on your msn wall |
| 14:48.38 | slooth | Also offline message mode |
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| 14:48.50 | nsadmin | you -could- try backporting it |
| 14:49.02 | slooth | backports? |
| 14:49.05 | slooth | Its missing there, too |
| 14:49.06 | jelly-home | slooth: it's a KDE application. If you require a new version, you're going to have to use a distro with KDE4. |
| 14:49.13 | nsadmin | you -could- try backporting it yourself :) |
| 14:49.16 | slooth | :) |
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| 14:49.26 | jelly-home | slooth: that's _not_ going to be Debian 5 |
| 14:49.32 | slooth | Aww |
| 14:49.36 | slooth | Okay dudes:) Thanks |
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| 14:50.07 | nsadmin | you could upgrade to squeeze I suppose... but that involves less stability |
| 14:50.20 | slooth | What kind of stability exactly? |
| 14:50.22 | nsadmin | perhaps not by mucy |
| 14:50.24 | jelly-home | it's less silly than suggesting a backport of kde4 to lenny |
| 14:51.05 | nsadmin | jelly, I'm only suggesting to backport that one app |
| 14:51.16 | jelly-home | nsadmin: then you have no idea what that implies |
| 14:51.21 | nsadmin | would that really require kde4? |
| 14:51.28 | slooth | CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:224 (IF): |
| 14:51.28 | slooth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.28 | slooth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.33 | slooth | Yes, its true, it requires kde4 |
| 14:51.44 | nsadmin | hmm. ok :) |
| 14:51.51 | nsadmin | cool that you tried... |
| 14:52.02 | slooth | Yeah, tried to compile it on my own, not possible |
| 14:52.15 | slooth | Anyway, how should I proceed upgrading to squeez? |
| 14:52.19 | slooth | squeeze* |
| 14:52.26 | jelly-home | slooth: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:52.26 | nsadmin | you really want to do that? |
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| 14:52.46 | slooth | Whats the downside, exactly? |
| 14:52.50 | slooth | Worst case scenario |
| 14:52.52 | slooth | Biblical proportions |
| 14:52.53 | nsadmin | if so... first make sure your lenny is up to date, then go for those instructions |
| 14:52.55 | slooth | ) |
| 14:52.59 | slooth | Yeah, its up to date |
| 14:53.08 | jelly-home | slooth: the machine doesn't boot up; X don't work, you name it |
| 14:53.23 | nsadmin | ok... it shouldn't be too bad, but note that I've never personally tried it |
| 14:53.40 | slooth | Why wouldn't the machine boot up? |
| 14:53.57 | slooth | I am not using X in the standard way. |
| 14:53.57 | nsadmin | who knows... could be any number of reasons |
| 14:54.09 | nsadmin | how do you mean? |
| 14:54.20 | slooth | I don't need X |
| 14:54.23 | slooth | I can live without it |
| 14:54.30 | slooth | But I can't live without booting up :-)! |
| 14:54.37 | nsadmin | so why do you need kde :) |
| 14:54.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | slooth: emacs or vim? |
| 14:55.06 | slooth | KaffeeJunky123, vim |
| 14:55.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | blasphemia! |
| 14:55.14 | nsadmin | Jessica Alba or Karim Abdul Jabbar? |
| 14:55.21 | slooth | :-) |
| 14:55.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | by the holy curch of emacs |
| 14:55.25 | slooth | Okay, I really need help here |
| 14:55.37 | slooth | Why would squeeze stop the machine from booting? |
| 14:55.38 | slooth | jelly ? |
| 14:56.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | srs kernel failure |
| 14:56.07 | nsadmin | can you back up what you have such that you can get back to where you are now (means back up all storage) |
| 14:56.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | due to some bogous modules |
| 14:56.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | or similar |
| 14:56.18 | anoob | cahoot, nsadmin, any idea about the output? http://pastebin.com/gkRr8vA0 |
| 14:56.24 | jelly-home | slooth: you were asking for worst case scenario. |
| 14:56.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | nothing one can't fix with a rescue shell |
| 14:56.31 | slooth | jelly: Yes, of course |
| 14:56.35 | slooth | jelly: But, reasons included |
| 14:56.40 | slooth | nsadmin: I already do that, I can affor to try |
| 14:56.42 | slooth | afford* |
| 14:57.01 | jelly-home | slooth: it's Debian testing, things can break. |
| 14:57.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | slooth: well, I had some serious issues with a backport kernel and some modules |
| 14:57.23 | nsadmin | you do? I'd say go for it then... since you could always restore |
| 14:57.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | slooth: required me to restore the old kernel using a rescue shell from the lenny cd |
| 14:57.35 | slooth | Ah, so Squeeze is actually Testing? |
| 14:57.42 | slooth | I wasn't aware |
| 14:57.44 | jelly-home | slooth: one reason is /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
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| 14:57.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | squeeze is testing, but it's in freeze now |
| 14:57.54 | slooth | KaffeeJunky123, I see |
| 14:57.56 | nsadmin | yes, currently squeeze is testing |
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| 14:58.19 | slooth | Actually I also am using backports kernel, KaffeeJunky123 |
| 14:58.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | slooth: if you're using binary graphic drivers you might run into some problems with X |
| 14:58.27 | slooth | Maybe I don't need kmess that much :--) |
| 14:58.35 | nsadmin | the rc bugs are counting down, when 0, they'll start considering kicking it out the door |
| 14:58.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | slooth: but reinstalling and recompiling modules should resolve any issues on that part |
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| 14:59.18 | nsadmin | slooth, do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
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| 14:59.54 | slooth | nsadmin: At backports line, yes |
| 15:00.32 | nsadmin | but not the others? |
| 15:00.40 | slooth | Correct. Not the others. |
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| 15:01.28 | nsadmin | what non-free stuff do you have? I'm wondering because, will you be able to run whatevertheyare in squeeze |
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| 15:02.24 | nsadmin | java is probably still non-free |
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| 15:02.37 | slooth | No idea, to be honest |
| 15:02.39 | nsadmin | original flash |
| 15:02.49 | disinpho | 'ehlo! i changed my /etc/postfix/main.cf to add 'virtual_alias_domains = mydomain1.tld, mydomain2.tld' and 'virtual_alias_maps = /etc/postfix/virtual' the domains are in my /etc/hosts and i did a 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual' and a 'postfix reload' after. It doesnt work. How do I troubleshoot? The only tutorial i found was in russian |
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| 15:03.39 | disinpho | do they need to be 'virtual_alias_domains = mail.mydomain1.tld, mail.mydomain2.tld' if thats my mx in the dns record |
| 15:03.43 | nsadmin | can you read russian? :) |
| 15:03.47 | disinpho | no ;D |
| 15:03.50 | slooth | google.translate? :) |
| 15:03.52 | disinpho | and google translate sucks |
| 15:03.55 | slooth | Aw. |
| 15:03.59 | disinpho | i tried :D |
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| 15:04.35 | disinpho | the official postfix site is fine it has a guide for setup etc, but its not much help if u follow the guide and it still doesnt work |
| 15:05.02 | slooth | disinpho, #postfix exists too, maybe try there? |
| 15:05.32 | nsadmin | maybe there are russian speakers there... |
| 15:05.43 | disinpho | slooth, ah not a bad idea |
| 15:05.45 | disinpho | lets hope not |
| 15:05.46 | thewanderer1 | try to pick some up from #debian-ru :P |
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| 15:22.56 | rozie | is there ncrack http://nmap.org/ncrack/ avaliable for Debian? searched for ncrack command and only found openvas-plugins-dfsg |
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| 15:24.44 | babilen | rozie: I would guess that it is not available yet, then. You could file a request for package for it -- \msg dpkg rfp |
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| 15:25.27 | disinpho | is there no syslogd in the debian lenny 64 image? |
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| 15:25.34 | babilen | rozie: Furthermore, nothing keeps you from installing it locally. Ask dpkg about "usrlocal", "stow" and "stow usage" for good ways to deal with this. |
| 15:26.01 | rozie | it may be good start for mentoring program |
| 15:26.51 | babilen | rozie: Or you can package it yourself, file an IFP and a RFS and have it uploaded. ;) |
| 15:26.57 | rozie | I can build a package, but not 100% following debian guidelines |
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| 15:27.40 | babilen | rozie: Your sponsor and #debian-mentors (on oftc) will have a look at your package and will help you to achieve policy compliance. |
| 15:27.41 | rozie | will read about stow first. at first checkinstall came to my mind ;) |
| 15:28.22 | babilen | rozie: Yes, checkinstall is also an option, but *I* *prefer* stow. Have a look and choose whatever you feel more comfortabe with. |
| 15:30.50 | disinpho | i have no mail logs whatsoever its pretty hard to troubleshoot postfix without logs |
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| 15:31.40 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 15:32.21 | Azrael_- | just installed a squeeze using debootstrap but every time i install a new package apt tells me it can't be authenticated. why? |
| 15:32.40 | Kuifje111 | what's the exact error? |
| 15:33.27 | Azrael_- | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 15:37.18 | Azrael_- | or do you need more info? |
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| 15:37.46 | valdyn | Azrael_-: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:38.28 | Azrael_- | nothing installe |
| 15:38.31 | Azrael_- | d |
| 15:38.39 | Azrael_- | http://pastebin.com/JP4kyMCD |
| 15:39.32 | rozie | Azrael_-: you need keyrings |
| 15:39.51 | Azrael_- | http://pastebin.com/yFqZw2hx |
| 15:40.09 | rozie | Azrael_-: debian-archive-keyring - do you have this installed |
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| 15:40.36 | rozie | disinpho: feel free to install syslog-ng or rsyslog (default one) |
| 15:41.10 | Azrael_- | yes, i do. but it looks like i can't recreate the error any more... strange |
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| 15:44.48 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 15:48.24 | disinpho | http://pastebin.com/sVkVczAC i still cant figure out how to troubleshoot postfix, please take a brief look if you know how to set up postfix basics |
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| 15:49.57 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. Someone know a way to disable the gnome joystick support? |
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| 15:51.11 | kristian-aalborg | anyone got radiotray running? |
| 15:51.12 | [CDN]Creation | good day all |
| 15:53.11 | [CDN]Creation | i have a problem with network manager under debian testing using kde, anyone has an ideea how to make the pppoe connection appear along with auth eth0 ? |
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| 16:06.02 | pallgone | kristian-aalborg: yup, runs fine |
| 16:06.17 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 16:13.34 | kristian-aalborg | pallgone: can't figure out the depencies |
| 16:13.52 | kristian-aalborg | I have *very" limited space, so I'd like to get it as small as possible |
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| 16:16.00 | pallgone | kristian-aalborg: what version of debian? |
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| 16:19.31 | kristian-aalborg | /etc/issue says squeeze/sid \n \1 |
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| 16:21.32 | pallgone | kristian-aalborg: aptitude show radiotray |
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| 16:22.10 | pallgone | don't want that one? |
| 16:22.38 | kristian-aalborg | which? |
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| 16:23.07 | kristian-aalborg | 0.6-2 |
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| 16:23.40 | pallgone | yeah |
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| 16:34.06 | [CDN]Creation | pallgone: can you help with something? i have stated my problem earlier but nowbody answered |
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| 16:35.06 | pallgone | [CDN]Creation: I don't think so, don't really know pppoe |
| 16:35.18 | [CDN]Creation | ok |
| 16:35.35 | [CDN]Creation | sorry to disturb you |
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| 16:40.00 | kristian-aalborg | pallgone: I think it might be some gstreamer things that I miss |
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| 16:40.45 | kristian-aalborg | I have python 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 it seems |
| 16:40.48 | disinpho | Im having trouble with postfix on lenny installed using apt-get. http://pastebin.com/xr8e8yAs I have no logfiles so I find it hard to troubleshoot? Where do I go from here? If the mail doesnt work monday im in a world of trouble :D |
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| 16:42.53 | pallgone | kristian-aalborg: ah, you get an error message? |
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| 16:44.38 | pallgone | kristian-aalborg: i had this too, i think it happens with some streams but I couldn't figure it out too |
| 16:45.09 | kristian-aalborg | I get an error message that I can't even google |
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| 16:45.20 | kristian-aalborg | one moment, will try to pastebin it |
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| 16:46.49 | pallgone | disinpho: what is not working? |
| 16:48.09 | disinpho | Nov 21 16:01:11 (none) postfix/smtp[8059]: fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp |
| 16:48.16 | disinpho | Nov 21 14:50:11 (none) postfix/smtpd[7842]: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/virtual.db: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.18 | imganquan | hi all. How to open a gnome-terminal and auto maximize? |
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| 16:49.07 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/4cycTf1T |
| 16:49.18 | pallgone | imganquan: gnome-terminal --maximize |
| 16:49.20 | kristian-aalborg | here |
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| 16:50.31 | imganquan | pallgone: thanks. good man |
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| 16:51.21 | pallgone | imganquan: np |
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| 16:52.51 | pallgone | disinpho: maybe this guide can help you somehow: http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/courier-mysql-debian-5-lenny |
| 16:53.44 | pallgone | gstreamer is missing playbin2 I guess |
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| 16:58.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm doing a full-upgrade to squeeze and I do see a lot of dependency issues coming along, wish me luck XD |
| 16:59.04 | pallgone | KaffeeJunky123: better follow the offical guide |
| 17:00.50 | pallgone | !lenny-squeeze |
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| 17:01.00 | pallgone | !lenny-Ysqueeze |
| 17:01.02 | pallgone | urgh |
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| 17:01.21 | sweetpi | I there a harder way to kill a process? I have dd running and it wont die from kill -9 |
| 17:01.28 | pallgone | well, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:01.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 17:01.42 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 17:01.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | is what you mean |
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| 17:02.07 | sweetpi | s/harder/harsher/ |
| 17:02.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's pretty much what I'm doing right now, expect I'm using aptitude |
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| 17:02.46 | nickni | hello |
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| 17:03.01 | nickni | Has anyone seen cups stopping to print ps? |
| 17:03.49 | nickni | prints txt prints other things but throws a "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed" upon printing the default test page and any eps |
| 17:03.53 | nickni | or ps |
| 17:04.26 | nickni | I even executed the pstoraster command with a test file and it worked |
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| 17:10.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | to wich god should I pray in order to survive this upgrade? |
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| 17:11.24 | pallgone | jesus is a good one |
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| 17:11.34 | rafuch0 | vtts: are you here? |
| 17:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | nickni: Sounds like you need to re-configure/re-install the printer so it'll pick up the filter again. |
| 17:12.54 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: We need to fix that factoid to use aptitude. |
| 17:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: It'll resolve the dependencies better. |
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| 17:14.21 | rafuch0 | can someone check on this tutotial and give an opinion http://kromey.us/2009/08/raid-10-with-mdadm-65.html is about RAID 10 SETUP i want to know if this is a good config |
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| 17:14.44 | rafuch0 | thanks a head for all the comments and revision you can tellme about that |
| 17:15.24 | nickni | nickni: I did that 3 times |
| 17:15.37 | nickni | I can print from gimp and from command line but no ps or pdf |
| 17:15.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: well somehow aptitude wouldn't work and apt-get dist-upgrade works, atleast as of now :/ |
| 17:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: Like we say, whatever works for you. |
| 17:16.12 | thewanderer1 | I have an application (gscan2pdf, GTK2) that I use to save a file using the GNOME file save dialog. But when I choose the destination, the application tells me that "file /where/I/wanted/to/save/it is read-only" and never saves it |
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| 17:16.32 | jhutchins_lt | nickni: Is there a different driver for that printer? Often there are two or three that will work. |
| 17:16.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: dpkg is returning a read error on a template packet with aptitude |
| 17:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | nickni: You could always purge and reinstall cups. |
| 17:16.56 | nickni | jhutchins_lt: as far as I can tell cups and gimp use the same gutenprint driver |
| 17:17.09 | thewanderer1 | however, I can save the file using Kate or any other programs, including `touch /where/I/wanted/to/save/it` |
| 17:17.10 | nickni | also this happened after a kernel upgrade I think |
| 17:17.14 | nickni | but some time after that |
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| 17:19.26 | nickni | does gimp use its own ppd drivers? |
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| 17:20.24 | klusias | how is possible to know - i am running postfix, exim4? |
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| 17:20.34 | metalfoo | ps aux |
| 17:21.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | pallgone: maybe I should adress the great gnu with this issue ;) |
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| 17:22.00 | pallgone | KaffeeJunky123: no, it will bring you nothing but free software |
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| 17:22.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | pallgone: that's probably what I need |
| 17:23.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | to hell with all those evil non-free packets ! |
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| 17:25.37 | thewanderer1 | KaffeeJunky123: unless you run some Lemote PC, you'll very unlikely to go on without firmware |
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| 17:25.49 | pallgone | yes, debian makes it too easy to use them. not good, not good 8) |
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| 17:26.06 | Azrael_- | are there obstacles when i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 17:26.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: replace this evil phoenix bios with free software allmighty gnu! |
| 17:26.34 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: see debian.org |
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| 17:27.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: but I was talking about debian packets exclusivly |
| 17:27.30 | thewanderer1 | I know. those contain firmware. |
| 17:27.46 | SparFux | Can anybody use streetview of google successfully with Debian? |
| 17:27.56 | thewanderer1 | yes. you need Flash... |
| 17:28.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | there are free flash implementations you could try |
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| 17:28.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | but just use adobe flash ^^ |
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| 17:29.26 | thewanderer1 | I've never seen Street View work with swfdec, sadly |
| 17:29.27 | seeds | Sparfux yea |
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| 17:31.22 | SparFux | Nothing happens here. I think the window down right should be the view, but it stays empty. |
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| 17:31.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | after aptitude install aptitude apt-get dpkg etc I somehow ended up with a retro gnome theme ^^ |
| 17:31.52 | DruidUnix | Linux is for mentally retarded chimpanzees who ate too many lead paint chips as babies |
| 17:32.00 | DruidUnix | linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
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| 17:32.04 | DruidUnix | linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
| 17:32.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | somehow reminds me of the old windows manager in SusE |
| 17:32.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | like 5.3 |
| 17:32.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | way before they used kde, what was it called again? |
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| 17:37.18 | pipeline | probably sawfish |
| 17:37.28 | pipeline | sawfish still exists, and still works fine with gnome |
| 17:37.34 | pipeline | if that's what floats your boats |
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| 17:43.29 | HazardX | what packages is it that contains debuild & dch? |
| 17:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | HazardX: apt-file search debuild? |
| 17:45.14 | HazardX | I always forget about that |
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| 17:49.45 | thewanderer1 | aww guys |
| 17:49.52 | thewanderer1 | gscan2pdf doesn't let me save a file... |
| 17:51.09 | thewanderer1 | this is utterly strange - I have access rights... |
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| 17:51.15 | thewanderer1 | does access() syscall check ACL? |
| 17:51.29 | jordanm | man access? |
| 17:52.03 | thewanderer1 | not a single word on ACL :P |
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| 17:53.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | what's ACL? |
| 17:54.14 | kristian-aalborg | hi, does anybody know how to get network-manager running in lxde? |
| 17:54.14 | nickni | Access Control List |
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| 17:57.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | kristian-aalborg: do you mean the nm-applet? |
| 17:59.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | kristian-aalborg: because the network manager itself isn't dependent on desktop packets, atleast from what I know |
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| 18:01.44 | andares | ACL=access control list. |
| 18:01.50 | andares | I think. |
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| 18:06.58 | thewanderer1 | yes, I'm using Linux ACL on my filesystem and gscan2pdf doesn't seem to like that |
| 18:07.11 | thewanderer1 | Abiword works fine, though, so it's not the file chooser dialog |
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| 18:10.35 | SirTopHat | if I give an account UID 0 I can't log into that account |
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| 18:11.30 | mlmg317-himts | Hello - can anyone tell me why - whenever I run clamscan or even avgscan - why terminal at some point just STALLS - and the whole process just freezes indefinitely? |
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| 18:13.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | mlmg317-himts: man clamscan |
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| 18:14.10 | mlmg317-himts | Kafeejunky123: yeah - that's for the manual. What were you driving at specifically? |
| 18:14.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | that you should read it |
| 18:15.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | you've to pass it a path |
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| 18:16.37 | mlmg317-himts | Kafeejunky123: K - I'm still fairly new to Linux as a user, so I don't know specifically what I should be looking for. The manual is VERY long. Are saying I need to enter the path at which it's hanging up on or something? |
| 18:17.10 | thewanderer1 | mlmg317-himts: what do you call a stall? |
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| 18:19.24 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: What I mean by "stall" - is that it gets to a certain path/file that it's trying to read - and then it just STOPS. When you close the window out - it says that Terminal is still in progress. And I'm talking about waiting for way longer than is normal, indicating something is not right. Maybe try debugging the software? When it happened last time I ran AVG - it stopped on an encrypted file ... and it was |
| 18:19.25 | mlmg317-himts | the first time it had done that when running AVG. |
| 18:19.50 | thewanderer1 | mlmg317-himts: perhaps it was just a big file and you have a slow hard disk? |
| 18:20.12 | thewanderer1 | or it decrypts files on the fly and was too busy to take notice of some TERM signal |
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| 18:22.49 | thewanderer1 | if you want to see what it's doing with the OS (what syscalls it is using), see `strace` |
| 18:23.02 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: maybe. And it also could be true that it is really chunking through files - and just not spitting out the path names on my screen in step ... But if I am waiting for like 15 minutes for it to process, I mean COME ON - it HAS TO HAVE moved by then to be normal. I'm running an IMB Thinkpad T43 with plenty of RAM ... |
| 18:23.33 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: K - let me try that command ... next time I run it ... |
| 18:23.46 | thewanderer1 | actually, ThinkPad's T43 main bottleneck is the storage |
| 18:24.05 | thewanderer1 | so unless you have an SSD, I'd bet that it's the I/O wait |
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| 18:25.00 | thewanderer1 | this may be true especially if the file is bigger than the RAM file buffers |
| 18:25.43 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: what do you mean by "storage" - and how do I remedy that? How do I need to update my system? I though Linux was pretty light on the system - compared to Windows (OH GOD .. don't even get me started !!) |
| 18:26.10 | thewanderer1 | storage is the medium that you have your data written on, usually hard disk |
| 18:26.30 | thewanderer1 | but IDE hard disks are pretty slow, so reading data off them is likely to take lots of time |
| 18:26.47 | thewanderer1 | try strace and see what it tells you |
| 18:27.03 | thewanderer1 | if it's reading data from the disk, you'll see it |
| 18:27.18 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: I see. So I have an IDE hard disk, verses an SSD hard disk, eh? This is a business model, but let me try strace and see what it tells me ... |
| 18:28.00 | thewanderer1 | IDE is just an interface, but *most* hard disks for IDE are just slow rotating plates |
| 18:28.33 | mlmg317-himts | I see. What were you referring to then, when you said "unless you have an SSD"? |
| 18:29.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | solid state drive |
| 18:29.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's a fast storage |
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| 18:29.22 | thewanderer1 | such fast storage could remedy the condition of waiting for file transfer from the disk - it just works faster than a HDD |
| 18:29.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | unlike the classical harddrive with disks |
| 18:29.32 | GNU\colossus | hi everyone |
| 18:29.50 | mlmg317-himts | what command do I put in now that I am in strace? So it would behoove me to swap out my hard disk for an SSD one ... right? I could probably get a cheap from Newegg ... |
| 18:30.00 | GNU\colossus | how can I set or change the hash algorith used to encrypt shadow passwords on Lenny? |
| 18:30.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | and I'm sorry about my read the manual thing, missinterpreted what you were saying |
| 18:30.22 | thewanderer1 | mlmg317-himts: `strace` and then whatever you normally call |
| 18:30.41 | thewanderer1 | so for example if you want to trace `ls -l /etc` you type `strace ls -l /etc` |
| 18:31.09 | mlmg317-himts | thewanderer1: OK - strace is new to me. This is the first time I've used it. Let me try that command you just suggested, perhaps? |
| 18:32.09 | mlmg317-himts | Kafeejunky123: It's OK. thewanderer1 is being very helpful. But if you still have input, feel free :) |
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| 18:34.30 | mlmg317-himts | I see. So you want to run commands specific to the file or directory you are trying to trace? This is good stuff, good training. Thanks. Linux ROCKS !!! I'm also just going to send an e-mail to specific software support people - and see what they say ... |
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| 18:35.16 | peterrooney | mlmg317-himts: systrace is usually rather talkative. I frequently use grep or awk to filter out the uninteresting parts. |
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| 18:36.13 | catsup | usually you want to use strace -o strace.txt |
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| 18:36.26 | catsup | keep strace's output separate from your command |
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| 18:37.15 | mlmg317-himts | catsup: I see. Thanks! |
| 18:37.26 | oOarthurOo | Heya... what package provides the "extract here" functionality in nautilus via file-roller? |
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| 18:37.42 | catsup | GNU\colossus: edit /etc/pam.d/common-password |
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| 18:39.34 | mlmg317-himts | catsup: OK - so it's like "strace -o strace.txt" is the specific input? Or am I not doing it right? |
| 18:39.57 | catsup | mlmg317-himts: the option -o to strace lets you specify an output file |
| 18:40.59 | mlmg317-himts | OK - so the way I specific wrote in the parentheses in my last post - is the way you do it? |
| 18:41.04 | catsup | mlmg317-himts: there are lots of options to strace, especially you might be interested in -e, which will specify what system calls to trace (i use -e trace=file a lot). see the man page. |
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| 18:42.32 | mlmg317-himts | K - I'll figure it out. Gotta run. Thanks everyone for your help. The Linux/Ubuntu support community is SO COOL !!! |
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| 18:49.28 | paus | Hello, I have ext3 files from my system, but maybe it's time to move to ext4, is a good idea or better to stay using ext3? thank you |
| 18:49.55 | thewanderer1 | paus: besides the small glitch of not working with OpenVZ's DISK_QUOTA (a bug in OpenVZ kernels), it's fine |
| 18:50.31 | thewanderer1 | so migrate when you feel like it |
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| 18:51.24 | paus | ah ok thanks, I think that last week when I was installing debian squeeze by default it still uses ext3 |
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| 18:51.43 | paus | since I don't remember to chose ext3 by default |
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| 18:57.10 | paus | thanks anyway thewanderer1 |
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| 19:11.00 | tab1ta | \msg dpkg backup |
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| 19:13.23 | ron_ | HI Can anybody spare me the use of a sledge hammer by enlightening me on how to get sun-java6-SDK <- on my Debian 5 system. im trying to get openlaszlo on my server but the package seemms to have vanished fromt he face of th eplanet |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:14.39 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 19:14.49 | abrotman | ron_: it's in non-free .. pretty easy to install |
| 19:15.11 | ron_ | i have to be doing something wrong, aptitude keeps returning it cant find the package |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | ron_: do you have the non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:15.40 | ron_ | yea |
| 19:15.47 | ron_ | ill double check though |
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| 19:15.58 | abrotman | and did you aptitude update after putting it in there? |
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| 19:17.25 | ron_ | yea, |
| 19:18.05 | ron_ | Im getting some errors when updating though |
| 19:18.18 | ron_ | let me pastemin it |
| 19:19.02 | ron_ | http://pastebin.com/j8stmvzL |
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| 19:20.03 | abrotman | ron_: maybe you should try a different mirror .. like 'ftp.uk.debian.org' ? |
| 19:20.51 | ron_ | abrotman: How do i change that? |
| 19:21.01 | abrotman | $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:21.08 | ron_ | ive got that far |
| 19:21.10 | ron_ | :P |
| 19:22.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | "manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" apt-get is throwing this error at me during dist-upgrade :/ |
| 19:22.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | hopefully aptitude will be able to fix everything with a nice aptitude install -f |
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| 19:26.27 | NeonLightning | i just noticed in sqeeze apt-file update and update-command-not-found both use lenny still |
| 19:27.15 | NeonLightning | nm i just realize my brother setup a lenny repo in there for some reason |
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| 19:27.38 | abrotman | stupid brother! |
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| 19:29.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: he already left |
| 19:31.00 | ron_ | grr |
| 19:31.29 | ron_ | the Software sources program keeps putting in the US mirror even though i keep telling it to use a specific one |
| 19:31.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | dist-upgrades are scary |
| 19:32.33 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: i'm aware |
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| 19:32.54 | abrotman | ron_: so don't use the GUI program |
| 19:33.29 | ron_ | I dont normally touch the sources.list file so i dont know any of it off the top of my head |
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| 19:33.52 | abrotman | you just replace the hostname part .. or use your GUI program to change it |
| 19:33.53 | Soothsayer | i just setup a dedicated server and now I want to setup the firewall (i've never dealt with firewalls in linux before) |
| 19:33.57 | Soothsayer | what do I get started with? |
| 19:34.18 | Soothsayer | my aim is to just to just keep the standard http, ftp, ssh ports open and close the rest |
| 19:34.42 | Soothsayer | also, it would be nice to know how to block a certain ip completely(in case of an attack) or for security reasons |
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| 19:35.13 | abrotman | Soothsayer: if you don't ahve a program listening, it won't matter |
| 19:35.23 | tehrabbitt | hey guys, having some trouble getting wicd working |
| 19:35.27 | ron_ | Soothsayer: Use IPtables |
| 19:35.44 | tehrabbitt | i've installed Wicd and every time i hit "refresh" it shows no wireless networks, not sure why though |
| 19:36.22 | tehrabbitt | ifconfig doesn't show wlan0 either |
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| 19:36.24 | ron_ | still Couldn't find package sun-java6-sdk |
| 19:36.27 | eshat | Hi all, |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | ron_: did your `aptitude update` work now ? |
| 19:36.44 | Soothsayer | ron_: ok, is it easy to configure? |
| 19:36.50 | zinx | tehrabbitt: most likely your card isn't reporting any wireless networks |
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| 19:36.53 | abrotman | Soothsayer: if you don't ahve a program listening, it won't matter |
| 19:36.58 | ron_ | It worked with no errors, but still no find |
| 19:37.06 | cahoot | tehrabbitt: unload reload the relevant module and read the last 20 lines of dmesg |
| 19:37.06 | zinx | tehrabbitt: some wireless cards have different interface names |
| 19:37.07 | tehrabbitt | zinx how can I tell if my card is actually operational though? |
| 19:37.10 | Soothsayer | abrotman: true.. so when should i be setting up a firewall on my server ? |
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| 19:37.12 | eshat | I have some corrections for a document on d.n , where should I post the correction ? Is the mailings list the right place ? |
| 19:37.15 | tehrabbitt | ah |
| 19:37.18 | abrotman | ron_: did you enable the non-free sources? |
| 19:37.25 | zinx | tehrabbitt: and a number of them require a extra package in debian |
| 19:37.33 | zinx | tehrabbitt: due to them requiring non-free firmware |
| 19:37.36 | ron_ | yes, i see non-free in there |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | Soothsayer: when you need to keep people out of certain services .. that doesn't seem to be the case here, unless you've got something listening that you want to stop people from abusing |
| 19:37.42 | tehrabbitt | [ 784.153591] iwl3945 0000:08:00.0: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 |
| 19:37.49 | cahoot | see |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: did you injstall the firmware-iwlwifi package? |
| 19:38.01 | tehrabbitt | nope |
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| 19:38.09 | tehrabbitt | goign to try that now |
| 19:38.19 | Soothsayer | abrotman: what if I realize a certain ip address is creating way too many connections to my server and I want to ban all connections from that ip temporarily ? |
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| 19:38.44 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, APT is telling me that it is not available but referred to by another package |
| 19:38.52 | ron_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/G4k9WmB6 |
| 19:38.53 | tehrabbitt | i'm running squeeze btw |
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| 19:38.56 | thewanderer1 | my domain does not work but another one, hosted on the same DNS, does. it is not local. what tools should I use to debug this? |
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| 19:39.05 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: you have to enable non-free packages |
| 19:39.25 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: dnstracer, dig |
| 19:39.26 | tehrabbitt | ah dur... sorry :-\ thoguht I did that might have forgotten to |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:39.39 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 19:39.44 | abrotman | ron_: JDK .. not SDK |
| 19:40.27 | tehrabbitt | Heh I added non-free to all of them except the first one that really mattered 0-o |
| 19:40.28 | ron_ | abrotman: http://www.openlaszlo.org/lps4.9/docs/installation/install-instructions.html#unixwants SDK and ive been trying to get it to work, |
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| 19:40.41 | abrotman | ron_: the instructions are dumb .. it's the JDK, not SDK |
| 19:40.42 | ron_ | abrotman: ** http://www.openlaszlo.org/lps4.9/docs/installation/install-instructions.html#unix |
| 19:40.46 | abrotman | ron_: try it and see |
| 19:41.09 | ron_ | abrotman: Ive been trying it complains the the enviroment is JDK and not SDK its driving me nuts |
| 19:41.10 | tehrabbitt | awesome, the mirror is broken |
| 19:41.12 | tehrabbitt | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 19:41.19 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
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| 19:41.31 | tehrabbitt | maybe not :-\ |
| 19:41.32 | tehrabbitt | weird |
| 19:41.39 | thewanderer1 | I'm calling `dig example.com @ns0.xname.org` and it waits then quits ("No servers could be reached")... |
| 19:42.19 | abrotman | ron_: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html .. they call it JDK too |
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| 19:42.59 | ron_ | abrotman: ive no doubt its called JDK, somebody needs to slap the devlopers at openlaszlo |
| 19:43.11 | abrotman | ron_: or at least check to see why it's whining |
| 19:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Didn't know that @ was an appropriate command to dig. Is that supposed to specify the server? |
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| 19:43.33 | thewanderer1 | I suppose yes |
| 19:44.12 | thewanderer1 | I tried it with nslookup too, still no reply O.o |
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| 19:44.16 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, got it... that's all it needed, wicd working, thanks :) |
| 19:44.16 | tehrabbitt | which dhcp client should I be using btw? |
| 19:44.17 | tehrabbitt | dhclient takes a while :-\ |
| 19:44.18 | tehrabbitt | the options that are listed are dhcpcd, pump, dhclient, or udhcpc |
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| 19:45.06 | tehrabbitt | which dhcp client would you guys reccomend I use? wicd lists 4 of them |
| 19:45.06 | abrotman | the one that works? .. i'm sure dhcp client works just fine |
| 19:45.16 | tehrabbitt | dhclient fails out on me |
| 19:45.26 | abrotman | fails? or tries a few times? |
| 19:45.29 | tehrabbitt | i've never heard of pump and udhcpc |
| 19:45.35 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, completely fails |
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| 19:45.45 | Bushmills | pump is a redhat development |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: sonuds like a misconfiguration |
| 19:45.50 | tehrabbitt | hm |
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| 19:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | Heh - I remember the pump manpage - a pump is a kind of a shoe. |
| 19:46.18 | thewanderer1 | strange, the domain started to work again by itself |
| 19:47.38 | ron_ | adrotman: http://wiki.openlaszlo.org/Installing_OpenLaszlo#Installing_the_DevKit_on_Unix.2FLinux |
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| 19:47.54 | ron_ | their still referencing SDK this makes no sense |
| 19:48.02 | abrotman | yes .. but why does it error out? |
| 19:48.27 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, not sure why dhclient is failing, checked the .conf file and everythign seems "ok" |
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| 19:48.41 | cahoot | wrong wpakey? |
| 19:48.48 | tehrabbitt | i mean this is a fresh install of squeeze... the laptop had a copy of squeeze that worked fine on it before too :-\ |
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| 19:48.55 | tehrabbitt | cahoot, unsecureed network :-\ |
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| 19:49.11 | Stylles | hi mans |
| 19:49.33 | abrotman | wonders how many Floops* we need? |
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| 19:49.48 | Floops | haha |
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| 19:50.15 | abrotman | oh, the first one quit to get a host mask .. nevermind .. |
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| 19:50.43 | Floops | bnc actin up |
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| 19:52.42 | ron_ | I blame Oracle for messing everything up and changing the naming conventions |
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| 19:53.06 | abrotman | s/ for messing everything up and changing the naming conventions// |
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| 19:55.57 | Floops | heh |
| 19:55.57 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, [ 1881.465020] wlan0: deauthenticating from 00:1a:70:de by local choice (reason=3) |
| 19:56.10 | Floops | abrotman, do have question for u about segfault |
| 19:56.17 | tehrabbitt | thats what happens every time I try to connect, it'll say that every 10 seconds or so and drop the connection |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | did i cause it ? |
| 19:56.31 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: you might have two programs trying to control it ? |
| 19:56.34 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 19:56.39 | abrotman | Floops: spit it out! |
| 19:56.49 | Floops | http://pastebin.com/YkCZcmTy |
| 19:57.01 | abrotman | Floops: 404 |
| 19:57.09 | tehrabbitt | what network manager comes default with KDE? |
| 19:57.28 | abrotman | probably knetwork-manager |
| 19:57.43 | tehrabbitt | should I remove that before trying to use wicd? |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | or remove wicd |
| 19:58.09 | tehrabbitt | well knetwork-manager doesn't let you scan for wifi networks |
| 19:58.12 | tehrabbitt | you need to know the ssid |
| 19:58.14 | Floops | blaah |
| 19:58.14 | Floops | let me do it again |
| 19:58.24 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: it probably does now that you have firmware |
| 19:58.55 | tehrabbitt | well i'm in it but all I see is "add, edit, delete" if I press Add, it brings up a screen to manually set up the IP etc of the network |
| 19:59.06 | tehrabbitt | nvm found a lil scan button |
| 19:59.07 | tehrabbitt | 0_o |
| 19:59.09 | tehrabbitt | hidden |
| 19:59.16 | Floops | http://pastebin.com/6VXiyNpn |
| 19:59.23 | Floops | gettin it on everything |
| 19:59.26 | tehrabbitt | lol never used knetwork-manager before hm |
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| 20:02.42 | abrotman | Floops: reinstalling those affected libraries might help .. but i'm skeptical |
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| 20:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | Floops: That suggests bad hardware, unless you're running unstable or something. |
| 20:04.24 | Floops | i was thinking it was memory before |
| 20:04.29 | Floops | and change memory |
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| 20:05.39 | abrotman | Floops: make sure all your packages are up to date |
| 20:06.31 | ron_ | abrotman: the app complains like so http://pastebin.com/9rbvynKi |
| 20:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like squeeze |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: unless it's not up to date |
| 20:06.46 | Floops | i will run update again |
| 20:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that still doesn't make it lenny |
| 20:07.07 | abrotman | ron_: aptitude install sun-java6-jdk && update-java-alternatives |
| 20:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't get higher versions of a library by not updating lenny |
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| 20:07.15 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: mixing! |
| 20:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, right |
| 20:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | or squeeze |
| 20:07.29 | Floops | what it is is lenny |
| 20:07.35 | Floops | with alot of backports |
| 20:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's not |
| 20:07.44 | abrotman | not if your libc6 changed |
| 20:07.47 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 20:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | librrd.so.4.1.3 is not in lenny |
| 20:07.50 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny4; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7; squeeze: 2.11.2-7 |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | oh, it didn't |
| 20:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | which pretty much explains the segfault... |
| 20:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions librrd4 |
| 20:08.39 | judd | Package librrd4 on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-4; lenny-backports: 1.4.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.3-1; squeeze: 1.4.3-1; experimental: 1.4.3-2 |
| 20:08.44 | ron_ | adrtman: What should i put as the variable for that last command, since it just brings up the useage info on its own |
| 20:08.44 | abrotman | could be another hardware bit failing, like HDD or something |
| 20:08.55 | abrotman | ron_: man update-java-alternatives .. i don't remember |
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| 20:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you could try the munin from lenny with the libs from lenny... |
| 20:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or get a backtrace and try to figure out what goes wrong |
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| 20:10.52 | tehrabbitt | alright, well the knetworkmanager shows the available wireless networks, and wired networks, but I can't seem to find a way to *connect* to them |
| 20:11.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I assume munin is from backports, if librdd.so is from backports... |
| 20:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not, that would explain things, I guess |
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| 20:12.31 | Floops | what about if i remove |
| 20:12.31 | Floops | and and back out librdd.so |
| 20:12.32 | Floops | remove munin and backup librdd.so |
| 20:12.32 | Floops | should that fix it |
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| 20:12.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 20:12.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | staff flooder! |
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| 20:13.07 | abrotman | oh not real staff i guess? |
| 20:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands abrotman a wooden staff |
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| 20:13.43 | tehrabbitt | right-click does nothing, double clicking brings up it's properties |
| 20:13.44 | akio | I am wondering about a build of debian that has all the wireless stuff and is like standard cli debian. |
| 20:13.56 | akio | How would I build that? |
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| 20:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | build? |
| 20:14.34 | akio | live helper |
| 20:15.21 | akio | live.debian.net stuff really, is there a different channel for that stuff? |
| 20:16.32 | abrotman | akio: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I was immediately thinking of Lego... |
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| 20:28.24 | wrksx | <dpkg> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?" |
| 20:28.25 | lachouffe | hi ! what is the exact purpose of the "soft" settings in /etc/security/limit.conf ??? |
| 20:28.31 | wrksx | ^is this true ? |
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| 20:29.07 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: I don't know if everyone or just the privileged users (admins) can teach dpkg |
| 20:29.29 | thewanderer1 | lachouffe: man limits.conf |
| 20:29.33 | abrotman | please don't abuse the bot |
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| 20:29.50 | wrksx | abrotman, is raping an abuse ? |
| 20:30.00 | abrotman | not funny, not at all |
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| 20:30.14 | wrksx | ok |
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| 20:30.30 | wrksx | i should go to bed |
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| 20:30.51 | lachouffe | thewanderer1, thanks i know man, if I ask is because i don't understand what this explanation |
| 20:31.16 | thewanderer1 | lachouffe: soft limit is applied to any program, but the user can change it later up to the hard limit |
| 20:31.28 | thewanderer1 | and if root sets a hard limit, nobody can touch it |
| 20:31.47 | lachouffe | ok ... i see it more clearly now ! |
| 20:31.54 | lachouffe | Thanks Man and man ! |
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| 20:36.15 | Tekk_ | hey, about a year ago I remember hearing about some program that can let you swap out your kernel without rebooting, anyone know the name? |
| 20:36.33 | petemc | ksplice |
| 20:36.58 | Tekk_ | petemc: ty, I'll look into it |
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| 20:54.54 | flaccid | i want the kernel to not load pcspkr. what is the correct way to do this? |
| 20:55.14 | Zharf | blacklist |
| 20:55.45 | flaccid | hmm http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-disable-pcspkr-in-etch.html claims thats not enough. i guess i will try |
| 20:56.51 | Zharf | it's 3 years old but might be valid |
| 20:58.22 | pipeline | flaccid: if blacklisting isn't a satisfactory solution, just start alsamixer and mute the pcspkr element |
| 20:58.38 | flaccid | this is for amazon ec2 |
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| 21:01.11 | pipeline | then who cares what it does |
| 21:01.14 | pipeline | screw it |
| 21:01.30 | poisonbit | flaccid, if in doubt, look at man modprobe.conf, instead of lookup blogs |
| 21:01.32 | flaccid | its just not needed and errors when trying to load because of xen etc. |
| 21:01.54 | flaccid | theory does not always = practice |
| 21:02.00 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 21:02.13 | flaccid | its not a question of matter |
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| 21:06.13 | poisonbit | putting 'blacklist pcspkr' in a /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf will work from etch to squeeze, but in squeeze i need to blacklist other module more snd_pcsp or something like |
| 21:06.57 | flaccid | i'll try it out soon. takes a little while to build an image |
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| 21:08.07 | Soothsayer | abrotman: so ive setup ip tables to accept all connections |
| 21:08.21 | abrotman | uhm sounds like a plan .. i think |
| 21:08.22 | Soothsayer | and when required to block someone, i will specifically block that client's ip address |
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| 21:09.14 | abrotman | sounds reasonable i suppose |
| 21:09.22 | Soothsayer | abrotman: ye cause no point managing every port.. and its not like if someone tries to connect to mysql remotely, the can crack the login or by pass it |
| 21:09.35 | abrotman | that's not alwys the point |
| 21:10.21 | Soothsayer | and also, i might end up installing something in future like svn and wonder why on earth is it not working when its actually the firewall blocking the port :P |
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| 21:10.38 | poisonbit | Soothsayer, whats the scenario ? |
| 21:11.18 | Soothsayer | poisonbit: i just setup my dedicated web server (for the first time) and was wondering how i should be using ip tables to secure it maybe |
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| 21:11.52 | poisonbit | are you going to connect to mysql from outside the server ? |
| 21:12.01 | poisonbit | else listen only to 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:12.19 | poisonbit | sure you should use iptables if you not purchased a firewall service |
| 21:12.35 | poisonbit | also fail2ban is recommended if there are auth services like ssh open tyo internet |
| 21:13.01 | Soothsayer | yes ssh is open to internet.. |
| 21:13.20 | Soothsayer | poisonbit: ye sometimes i manage mysql remotely with some application on my comp..so need it open |
| 21:13.29 | Soothsayer | but ye, i can change mysql itself to listen to only localhost than using a firewall |
| 21:13.34 | flaccid | don't expost mysqld to the internet |
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| 21:13.45 | flaccid | tunnel to the host with ssh |
| 21:13.47 | poisonbit | "managing every port" is good practice for a dedicated * server |
| 21:13.50 | flaccid | or use a vpn |
| 21:14.47 | Soothsayer | flaccid: how do 'tunnel' to the host with ssh? |
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| 21:15.13 | poisonbit | see -L in man ssh |
| 21:15.15 | DEAD_BEEF | I think that's beyond the scope of IRC |
| 21:15.41 | flaccid | lots in google on that Soothsayer i don't have the time to lookup for you |
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| 21:18.01 | Soothsayer | got it |
| 21:19.02 | Soothsayer | Posterdati: ye i was looking for something like fail2ban |
| 21:19.46 | Soothsayer | any other interesting tools that would be of use to me ? (generally for a dedicated server... for security or monitoring) |
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| 21:20.49 | poisonbit | Soothsayer, it's a bit outdated, but there is a debian security guide in debian.org/doc |
| 21:21.27 | Soothsayer | poisonbit: will go through it |
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| 21:21.58 | poisonbit | bon appetit :) |
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| 21:24.22 | poisonbit | other way to stop traffic to/from a bad ip or subnet, is using null routes |
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| 21:24.38 | poisonbit | or whois + phonecalls, that last is more slow |
| 21:25.00 | petemc | or completely ineffective |
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| 21:28.23 | Soothsayer | if I do a PermitRootLogin no |
| 21:28.30 | Soothsayer | will sftp also be disabled ? |
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| 21:29.07 | petemc | Soothsayer: you mean root login via sftp, or sftp itself? |
| 21:29.34 | Soothsayer | petemc: root login via sftp |
| 21:29.57 | petemc | then yes, i would imagine it would be disabled |
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| 21:30.24 | Soothsayer | petemc: so then what's my alternative to sftp'in as root ? |
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| 21:31.13 | petemc | erm, sftp'in as a normal user? |
| 21:31.25 | Soothsayer | i prefer using filezilla/sftp clients to navigate through remote servers as root & if i intend to disable root login through ssh, how do I keep doing this |
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| 21:32.59 | petemc | theres no silver bullet, appropriate permissions on where you want to modify files, correct use of groups etc |
| 21:33.08 | Bushmills | setting AllowGroups (and adding root to the alowed group, along with other permitted users) adds some security. using keys instead of passwords adds a lot. |
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| 21:33.14 | petemc | i personally dont change the default and allow root to login |
| 21:34.13 | flaccid | which package is the meta package for install kernel modules for the kernel? |
| 21:34.31 | abrotman | flaccid: that shuld be installed with your kernel |
| 21:34.33 | Bushmills | then disable password auth, and put sshd on a different port, other than 22 |
| 21:34.47 | flaccid | abrotman: a dep of the kernel package? |
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| 21:35.22 | Soothsayer | Bushmills: i think i'd want to retain password authentication. |
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| 21:35.32 | Soothsayer | but ye, changing the port should be better |
| 21:35.35 | Bushmills | your choice. not mine. |
| 21:35.43 | abrotman | flaccid: no, IN the kernel package |
| 21:36.21 | flaccid | right, so i don't need to install an extra kernel modules package like ubuntu |
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| 21:36.37 | abrotman | depends on your hardware |
| 21:36.44 | abrotman | you didn't say that .. |
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| 21:36.49 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:37.01 | flaccid | this is for amazon ec2 which runs xen 3.0.3 |
| 21:37.03 | abrotman | we don't have a linux-image-restricted-modules or whatever stupid thing they have |
| 21:37.20 | eptalon | in a sid system, where (preferably in /proc) would I get current cpu temp and speed? |
| 21:37.24 | flaccid | yeah not after that. if there is nothing extra to install then sweet |
| 21:37.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've upgraded from lenny to squid and my gnome wont start properly, the panels are missing and alt+f2 doesn't work |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | to squeeze? |
| 21:38.25 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: aptitude install gnome ? |
| 21:38.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Squeeze yes |
| 21:38.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abrotman: i did aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 21:39.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | The desktop is loading however |
| 21:39.26 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | and install gnome-panel if you think that might be needed |
| 21:39.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is installed |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | start a console inside gnome, run it from the terminal |
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| 21:40.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | Not possible, due to alt+f2 not working |
| 21:41.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | I tried to launch the shell through nautilus, didn't work though |
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| 21:41.19 | abrotman | uhm .. it's very possible |
| 21:41.40 | abrotman | right click on the desktop, create a new launcher, set it to xterm, and double click it |
| 21:41.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | Anyways rebooted into shell |
| 21:42.06 | andares | alternatively go to a VT, then do something like DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm & or something. |
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| 21:42.53 | t3a | Hey, how do i use my second monitor with an ATI HD 5830 graphics card? |
| 21:43.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Well gnome etc is installed |
| 21:43.38 | t3a | (right now its cloning the first |
| 21:44.01 | t3a | yes, i am using gnome under lenny |
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| 21:46.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm kind of lost... |
| 21:46.26 | abrotman | i told you what to do |
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| 21:46.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | I told you it didn't do anything :( |
| 21:47.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | Did that twice even before you told me to... |
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| 21:47.29 | abrotman | you tried starting gnome-panel from the xterm ? |
| 21:47.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | Aptitude full-upgrade did nothing, no error etc |
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| 21:48.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | Couldn't get an xterm open in that gnome |
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| 21:48.45 | abrotman | why not? |
| 21:48.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nvm |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | i told you how to add a luancer |
| 21:49.09 | abrotman | launcher |
| 21:49.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Finally got a gnome-terminal |
| 21:49.36 | abrotman | also make sure the xorg package is installed |
| 21:49.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | Well they're loaded now |
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| 21:49.48 | abrotman | that was easy ? |
| 21:50.00 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 21:50.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Gnome couldn't even start without xorg... |
| 21:50.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | Well ill check anyways |
| 21:50.13 | kristian-aalborg | I got into some kid of dependency problem |
| 21:50.18 | abrotman | yes, it can start without xorg |
| 21:50.33 | kristian-aalborg | when I want to install something, apt wants to get rid of mplayer |
| 21:50.55 | kristian-aalborg | I have debian-multimedia and skype in repos fwiw |
| 21:51.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abrotman, you mean it can start without X? |
| 21:51.46 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: on your local machine .. no, but you can use X remotely |
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| 21:53.55 | Bushmills | kristian-aalborg: use aptitude. run using . through the suggested alternatives |
| 21:54.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abrotman, well seems like Xorg wasn't installed... |
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| 21:55.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | But how does that help me to fix the panels? |
| 21:55.43 | kristian-aalborg | Bushmills: could you elaborate on that? |
| 21:55.53 | kristian-aalborg | I press "."? |
| 21:56.11 | Bushmills | yes. after E maybe, for more details |
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| 21:58.09 | kristian-aalborg | sudo aptitude install exaile |
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| 21:58.27 | kristian-aalborg | then I press "." when I get to the dialog? |
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| 22:00.02 | Bushmills | non-interactively, you have fewer options. just "n" to skip, iirc. use interactive mode for more details |
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| 22:01.43 | tehrabbitt | any reason I keep seeing *ALOT* of segfaults lately? |
| 22:01.56 | tehrabbitt | running squeeze btw |
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| 22:02.28 | tehrabbitt | i'm not sure if perhaps i broke something, or if it's normal to see 10+ in one day just using the computer as normal :-\ |
| 22:02.30 | Zharf | tehrabbitt, memory problems? |
| 22:02.40 | Bushmills | broken lib, result of corrupted file, maybe |
| 22:02.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abrotman thanks for your help, but I'm still having trouble with the whole keybinding and some applications, like pidgin will show up blank. |
| 22:03.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | Maybe it kept the backport packets |
| 22:03.14 | tehrabbitt | Zharf, thats what I thought at first but i've run a few memory scanners and it checks out fine :-\ |
| 22:03.19 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, how can I tell? |
| 22:03.23 | kristian-aalborg | tehrabbitt: if your hdd is almost full, I believe it can happen |
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| 22:03.32 | kristian-aalborg | sorry Bushmills but I'm at a loss |
| 22:03.34 | tehrabbitt | kristian-aalborg, brand new install of squeeze |
| 22:03.42 | kristian-aalborg | lol, no |
| 22:03.46 | tehrabbitt | 250GB drive, only 10 GB used |
| 22:03.48 | kristian-aalborg | almost finished |
| 22:04.15 | kristian-aalborg | please give me the exact command I should use :) |
| 22:04.42 | tehrabbitt | running the x64 version of squeeze. Used the beta1 installer, noticed the segfaults when trying to restart my network adapter, opening Kopete, and even running iceweasel |
| 22:04.59 | Bushmills | tehrabbitt, compare files, or their hashes, against backup from a time when you didn't have the segfaults |
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| 22:05.30 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, i've been having the segfaults from the moment I was able to get into my X environment... again it's a clean install :-\ |
| 22:05.48 | tehrabbitt | FS types being used are ext3 and ext4 as well as JFS |
| 22:05.50 | Bushmills | try different video driver |
| 22:06.03 | tehrabbitt | how can I check which one i'm using right now? |
| 22:06.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abrotman, could it be that my whole gnome configuration is broken? |
| 22:06.23 | Bushmills | logs |
| 22:07.35 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, any specific log that might show me what is causing the segfault? |
| 22:08.02 | Bushmills | no. but a log which tells you what video drivers X uses |
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| 22:10.05 | Bushmills | but you lead me on the wrong track with " having the segfaults from the moment I was able to get into my X environment", especially after " noticed the segfaults when trying to restart my network adapter". so forget about video driver |
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| 22:10.35 | tehrabbitt | ah :-\ |
| 22:10.51 | Tekk_ | hey I just installed squeeze on a server, but it randomly cuts off all internet on my network |
| 22:11.16 | tehrabbitt | basically I installed the base system last night, no problems, but when I installed KDE this morning and went to start installing things, i've started seeing segfaults |
| 22:11.17 | Tekk_ | it's a dell poweredge 2850 |
| 22:11.32 | tehrabbitt | the bug reporter popup comes up asking if I want to report the segfault etc |
| 22:11.57 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, what do you have the IP set to? |
| 22:12.00 | tehrabbitt | ifconfig |
| 22:12.35 | tehrabbitt | make sure your IP isn't set to the same IP that your network's gateway (your router's IP) is set to |
| 22:12.50 | tehrabbitt | otherwise devices may become confused and it *may* disrupt your network |
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| 22:13.29 | eptalon | Tekk_: does your router give out ip's automatically? |
| 22:14.10 | kristian-aalborg | sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:14.10 | kristian-aalborg | sudo apt-get install -f |
| 22:14.14 | kristian-aalborg | ... this fixed it |
| 22:14.16 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: ip is static and out of dhcp's range |
| 22:14.22 | Tekk_ | 192.168.155.3 |
| 22:14.23 | kristian-aalborg | appearantly, that is |
| 22:14.25 | kristian-aalborg | weird |
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| 22:15.04 | Tekk_ | ifconfig confirms |
| 22:15.31 | thewanderer1 | guys, what does a user need to make a Bluetooth connection? I have bluez daemon running, but in KDE when I launch kdebluetooth it says "no adapters" |
| 22:16.00 | thewanderer1 | hcitool confirms that by saying "permission denied" when trying `hcitool cc` |
| 22:16.37 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, hm that is strange then... |
| 22:17.00 | tehrabbitt | try restarting the router? |
| 22:18.22 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: yeah, I'll look into that next, I just did a hard restart on the server, even cut from the power supply |
| 22:18.29 | Tekk_ | maybe that'll work |
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| 22:19.29 | DEAD_BEEF | Is there a way to customize what gets installed with a given task. |
| 22:19.31 | thewanderer1 | "random internet cuts" usually mean "IP address conflict" or, less frequently, "MAC address conflict" |
| 22:19.31 | Tekk_ | on the bright side, it's running better than the ubuntu my dad installed before :P |
| 22:20.19 | Tekk_ | comes in to an ubuntu prompt, sees it's a server. "you don't use ubuntu for servers, you want debian" *installs debian* >> |
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| 22:20.51 | thewanderer1 | how would I run a graphical program remotely as another user? |
| 22:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | DEAD_BEEF, a task is a customization of what gets installed. |
| 22:21.07 | thewanderer1 | I basically connect as root and need to run, say, kwrite, as user noob1 |
| 22:21.20 | Tekk_ | thewanderer1: vnc |
| 22:21.24 | Tekk_ | OR |
| 22:21.25 | DEAD_BEEF | ie. Choosing the 'Desktop' task but without Open Office for example |
| 22:21.28 | Tekk_ | ssh -XC |
| 22:21.37 | thewanderer1 | I'm running ssh -X now |
| 22:21.46 | thewanderer1 | and I won't need -C, but what next? |
| 22:21.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | DEAD_BEEF, install the task, uninstall open office afterwards... |
| 22:21.55 | thewanderer1 | how am I supposed to run this program when connected? :P |
| 22:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or install the stuff in the task yourself |
| 22:22.04 | Tekk_ | thewanderer1: iirc you start an X server on the remote machine |
| 22:22.06 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, thewanderer1 explained it best, usually with the internet cutting out it means *something* is conflicting on your network, and if you're saying the server is a new install / only started after powering it on, it's most likely half of the conflict |
| 22:22.14 | DEAD_BEEF | so there isn't a way to get that done at install time. |
| 22:22.29 | thewanderer1 | Tekk_: err no way, already one running... |
| 22:22.31 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: how do I check if a MAC address conflicts? I made double sure the IP wasn't being used |
| 22:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, you can set DISPLAY and give the user the magic cookie needed to open windows on... :10 or whatever it is that $DISPLAY points to |
| 22:23.07 | DEAD_BEEF | that means I'll have to download the packages I don't want and then remove them afterwards? |
| 22:23.07 | thewanderer1 | oh, the `sux` package |
| 22:23.13 | thewanderer1 | just found it... |
| 22:23.24 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, well that's EXTREMELY rare, and would mean somewhere in your network someone has set a MAC to the exact same MAC as your server... or it means you're running cheap made in china NIC cards that are all programmed with the same MAC |
| 22:24.00 | tehrabbitt | my gut instinct could be that your router and/or switch cached your mac address with a different IP, and it's lease still isn't up yet |
| 22:24.02 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: considering it's a dell poweredge I wouldn't think the latter is TOO unlikely, custom made I'd flat out say no :p |
| 22:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | DEAD_BEEF, you either install the task, because you want that set of packages, or you don't. nobody forces you to use tasks, they are just a convenient collections of sets of packages many people want |
| 22:24.32 | DEAD_BEEF | CutMeOwnThroat, fair enough |
| 22:24.33 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: but would that make it kinda...intermittent? |
| 22:24.37 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, Usually though Dell uses INTEL based chipsets for their NICs |
| 22:24.42 | Tekk_ | ah, k |
| 22:24.57 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: like, the server is fine 80% of the time, but then once and a while internet dies |
| 22:25.01 | petemc | most of the dells i use are broadcom |
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| 22:25.20 | tehrabbitt | Yes... In fact i've had the issue a LONG while back when I had a desktop that I had changed the IP in, but the switch remembered the old MAC address and continued to try to route packets to the old IP |
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| 22:25.29 | Tekk_ | petemc: laptops broadcom, desktops are intel usually |
| 22:25.44 | petemc | oh, im talking about servers |
| 22:25.48 | eptalon | Tekk_: and thats not related to dhcp expiring? |
| 22:25.50 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: would that cause this problem? |
| 22:25.57 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, it's a possibility |
| 22:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | DEAD_BEEF, you could say tasks are for "I don't know what packages I want" people and for "I don't care too much what packages, but I want the usual Desktop/Laptop/Whatever stuff" |
| 22:26.07 | tehrabbitt | I mean what type of router are you running? |
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| 22:26.21 | Tekk_ | well I just switched it to static IP a while ago, I can't say if it's the problem since it wasn't on dynamic for long |
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| 22:26.44 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: which one? we have a mess of about 5 or 6 routers going to different places here |
| 22:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | -people |
| 22:26.47 | Tekk_ | :P |
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| 22:27.10 | thewanderer1 | alright, I managed to launch KBluetooth remotely |
| 22:27.11 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, looks like i'm not the only one with the segfault issue running kopete / the unstable version of chrome |
| 22:27.14 | Tekk_ | I'll go check the one that that should connect all of em |
| 22:27.16 | thewanderer1 | it tells me "no adapter" |
| 22:27.21 | tehrabbitt | looks like it could just be that, taht it's "unstable" heh |
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| 22:27.33 | Bushmills | "unstable"? |
| 22:27.48 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, taht could be part of your problem |
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| 22:28.22 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, apparently there are only 2 versions of chrome, "stable" and "unstable"..; |
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| 22:28.45 | tehrabbitt | also kopete, im just using the one that came with KDE, which should be "testing" but i'm not sure |
| 22:28.48 | Bushmills | well, enjoy unstable version then |
| 22:28.56 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 22:29.06 | Bushmills | trying to fix them may be of some help |
| 22:29.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | So I'm still having some minor problems with my debian squeeze, how do I get the gnome panel to automatically start again and how do I get strg+alt+f1 etc to work? |
| 22:29.09 | tehrabbitt | explains why i'm seeing segfaults / programs are crashing heh |
| 22:29.57 | thewanderer1 | what do I need to be able to use bluetooth? |
| 22:30.07 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: looks like all the ones that are in common are marked linksys AND cisco... |
| 22:30.11 | thewanderer1 | my user is in bluetooth group but I can't connect to any bluetooth device |
| 22:30.18 | tehrabbitt | heres a question, I did ask it last night but sadly did not receive much of a response about it... anyone here work with PAM and Fingerprint readers and TPM before? |
| 22:30.19 | dvs | thewanderer1: the bluez |
| 22:30.23 | dvs | ;-) |
| 22:30.25 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, BlueZ? |
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| 22:30.34 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: trying to look up the models |
| 22:30.41 | Bushmills | fresh install... wondering why "suddenly" segfaults are experienced, and then starting to remember that there is unstable software - on a fresh install? is that ubuntu, by any chance? |
| 22:30.41 | thewanderer1 | dvs, tehrabbitt: already got the daemon running... |
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| 22:31.08 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, hm, then i'm not sure :-\ if I remember it did have some dependencies it needed but if you have the daemon running it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:31.25 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, http://www.digifail.com/software/bluelog.shtml |
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| 22:31.36 | tehrabbitt | friend of mine made that, it is a good way of testing your BT is working |
| 22:31.39 | thewanderer1 | yes, digifail sounds quite appropriate |
| 22:31.47 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 22:31.59 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: http://www.linksys.com/ one is looking like the ones on the right, the other looks kinda like that valet but without the band, and linksys on the bottom instead of valet. |
| 22:32.08 | Tekk_ | sorry I can't be more specific |
| 22:32.14 | Tekk_ | apparently linksys no longer exists >> |
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| 22:32.22 | thewanderer1 | I *can* scan for devices |
| 22:32.23 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, what you need to be more worried about is how many subnets / how they are configured |
| 22:32.24 | Tekk_ | and the stuff isn't on the body |
| 22:32.27 | thewanderer1 | I just can't connect... |
| 22:32.30 | tehrabbitt | hm :-\ |
| 22:33.00 | dvs | Tekk_: linksys was bought by cisco |
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| 22:33.29 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: what do you mean? if you're talking amount of routers/computers connected, then no doubt it, we've had this many routers for a long time and even more computers connected to them at onec |
| 22:33.30 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, nope, it's not ubuntu, haha but yea, I forgot that I had to choose the unstable build for a couple programs :-\ that could explain why i'm having some of the issues... |
| 22:33.55 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, no, more along the lines of which router plugs into which, which subnet your server is on, and what subnets exist |
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| 22:34.59 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, example: if you have the main IP coming in going through one linksys router, and then that router gives you the IP range of 192.168.1.x and then you have a second router plugged into that one that goes to 192.168.1.55.x and then you have a 3rd plugged into that one, etc... make sure your subnet mask is set properly etc |
| 22:35.04 | Bushmills | "(23:03:36) tehrabbitt: kristian-aalborg, brand new install of squeeze" |
| 22:35.24 | kristian-aalborg | ah yes |
| 22:35.27 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, Yes, it is.. |
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| 22:35.51 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: hold on, I just wanna make absolutely sure of something |
| 22:35.57 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, Ok. |
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| 22:36.42 | Tekk_ | okay, fully removing dhcp, just to make sure there's NO chance of it trying to run and mess with me |
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| 22:37.16 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, alright |
| 22:37.55 | thewanderer1 | what's the name of GNOME's bluetooth applet? |
| 22:38.38 | Tekk_ | okay, hopefully one last reboot for....a very long time :P |
| 22:38.44 | thewanderer1 | ok, it was bluetooth-applet... |
| 22:38.52 | thewanderer1 | now I've run into the weirdest thing |
| 22:39.15 | tehrabbitt | anyone here know how to get TPM working in debian? |
| 22:39.30 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: ......tpm being? |
| 22:39.40 | axx_ | thewanderer1: I recommend Blueman if you'd like a more feature full bluetooth applet |
| 22:39.58 | thewanderer1 | axx_: I actually want it to work and be able to receive files... |
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| 22:40.01 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, TPM == Trusted Platform Module |
| 22:40.05 | tehrabbitt | Used for crypto |
| 22:40.12 | tehrabbitt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module |
| 22:40.19 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: why would it differ from any other distro's way? |
| 22:40.21 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: tpm can also mean drm(used for legal stuff) so I always ask :P |
| 22:40.23 | axx_ | ok then |
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| 22:40.31 | tehrabbitt | Ah didn't know |
| 22:40.43 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, never actually set it up in *nix before |
| 22:40.48 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: if you read Technological Prevention Measures in a law, that would be DRM ;) |
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| 22:41.11 | tehrabbitt | Tekk_, Ah :) learn something new every day |
| 22:41.14 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: Linux kernel should include it |
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| 22:41.24 | axx_ | following instructions to update Lenny to Squeeze, I got a â/var/lib/dpkg/info/sbcl.conffiles: Input/output errorâ error trying to backup /var/lib/dpkg⦠is this common? |
| 22:41.26 | thewanderer1 | if it does not (grep the configs for what you need) then you roll your own :P |
| 22:41.29 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, I mean how would I go about *using* it though? |
| 22:41.39 | Tekk_ | tehrabbitt: yeah, I've had other issues like that, you don't wanna know how much I panicked when I saw linux loading the drm module XD |
| 22:41.42 | seeker7 | ok i did aptitude install flashplugin and it asked if i wanted to remove many files i said yes -- not mistake i had to reload the system. why did it think it was suppose to remove all those files |
| 22:41.42 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: that is another thing :) |
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| 22:42.14 | tehrabbitt | basically I have a fingerprint scanner, and TPM chip in this laptop.... want to use them for encryption / authentication using PAM eventually if that's possible |
| 22:43.43 | thewanderer1 | you will never be able to use the fingerprint scanner for encryption I think |
| 22:44.00 | tehrabbitt | haha cyberbob.... good movie |
| 22:44.29 | tehrabbitt | thewanderer1, well I want to use the fingerprint scanner for authentication... TPM for encryption |
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| 22:45.19 | thewanderer1 | so the fingerprint scanner will be unrelated to TPM |
| 22:45.57 | tehrabbitt | I mean i'd like to get the TPM working first, create an encrypted image file that I can mount or such |
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| 22:46.07 | seeker7 | abrotman: ok i did aptitude install flashplugin and it asked if i wanted to remove many files i said yes -- not mistake i had to reload the system. why did it think it was suppose to remove all those files |
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| 22:46.46 | et | abrotman: did you use apt-get before? or something else than aptitude? |
| 22:47.48 | seeker7 | et: i have used apt-get but someone said that aptitude was bette |
| 22:48.38 | Tekk_ | seeker7: you're supposed to use aptitude now, it's superseded apt-get ;) |
| 22:48.39 | streuner | dpkg, why aptitude |
| 22:48.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 22:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Why don't you think the scanner will work? I've heard of people who had them working on linux. |
| 22:49.13 | et | seeker7: well, mixing them can result in things like you experienced |
| 22:49.29 | et | so, pick one and stick with it |
| 22:49.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I have a very nicely working fingerprint scanner handled by pam_fprint. it's just completely unrelated to TPM, that's all |
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| 22:49.55 | seeker7 | et: ok i will stay with aptitude |
| 22:50.30 | seeker7 | so now i am back to figuring out how to make flash player work on debian |
| 22:50.34 | axx_ | sorry to ask again, but following instructions to update Lenny to Squeeze, I got a â/var/lib/dpkg/info/sbcl.conffiles: Input/output errorâ error trying to backup /var/lib/dpkg⦠is this common? |
| 22:50.48 | axx_ | I can't cat the file either⦠|
| 22:50.51 | thewanderer1 | axx_: no, it means something went very wrong |
| 22:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | seeker7: The problem is that the information on why apt-get removed those files was on the screen that told you it was going to remove them, and we didn't see that - you did. |
| 22:51.32 | thewanderer1 | axx_: broken filesystem or bad sectors on disk, check SMART status, run a SMART health check and if you are running Linux 2.6.30 - this is a presumably known bug in ext4 if that's your fs |
| 22:51.32 | axx_ | I haven't even started the actual update, I simply can't backup a file, which only matters should something go wrong.. still, I don't like obviously |
| 22:51.46 | axx_ | thewanderer1 it is my fs |
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| 22:52.00 | thewanderer1 | and what kernel are you running? |
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| 22:52.10 | axx_ | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 22:52.13 | thewanderer1 | tehrabbitt: I doubt you will find many software supporting TPM... start with `trousers` |
| 22:52.22 | thewanderer1 | axx_: err, I didn't think 2.6.26 supported ext4 |
| 22:52.30 | seeker7 | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 22:52.46 | axx_ | I think it's considered a test fs |
| 22:52.48 | thewanderer1 | axx_: I think you've run into an ext4_dev bug... should've watched the labels saying EXPERIMENTAL :P |
| 22:52.57 | axx_ | I had to enable the test flag |
| 22:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | axx_: That's part of cl-usocket, which is a lisp library - probably not critical. |
| 22:53.00 | dvs | axx_: you have to upgrade to 2.6.32 if you want squeeze anyways |
| 22:53.04 | thewanderer1 | it's no longer a "test fs", but in kernels 2.6.32 and up axx_ |
| 22:53.07 | blahsphemer | I have kernel hacking experience in FreeBSD like implementing my own process scheduling algorithm, page replacement algorithm |
| 22:53.17 | blahsphemer | and I'd like to contribute to kernel development |
| 22:53.18 | axx_ | I'm happy to update actually :) |
| 22:53.55 | axx_ | will updating clear the experimental nature of that partition, or is the fact that it was created while experimental mean it will stay that way? |
| 22:54.22 | dvs | axx_: it will stay that way |
| 22:54.23 | thewanderer1 | axx_: it's hard to say... if the error persists, the only way to go is re-create the filesystem usink mkfs.ext4 |
| 22:54.48 | jhutchins_lt | blahsphemer: You might find info at kernel.org and their mailing lists, or possibly #debian-mentors over on oftc.net |
| 22:54.55 | axx_ | right⦠I need to figure out more about how to backup and restore my system |
| 22:54.56 | miasma | axx_: i think ext4 was in a more experimental state some time ago. with different kind of filesystem id. but now many distros use it. e.g. ubuntu |
| 22:55.23 | axx_ | it might make sense to do a clean install |
| 22:55.35 | blahsphemer | jhutchins_lt, k |
| 22:55.41 | miasma | axx_: basically I'd use the latest kernel when using ext4 |
| 22:55.45 | axx_ | yes miasma, I remember having to set flags to be able to use it |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | et: i've used various other tools, why? |
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| 22:56.15 | et | abrotman: sorry, tabcompletion fail |
| 22:56.26 | et | s<tab> became a<tab> |
| 22:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: The file might be corrupt or just locked. It's actually a part of the debian package config. You say you can't cat it - why? |
| 22:56.33 | miasma | axx_: some other file system incompatibility that comes to mind was the flag for large files. some file systems / utilities didn't work without the flag |
| 22:56.45 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: i didn't say that :D |
| 22:56.56 | axx_ | I did |
| 22:57.02 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Sorry, that was to axx_ |
| 22:57.09 | axx_ | I don't know why I can't cat it |
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| 22:57.27 | axx_ | it failed to copy (I/O error) and when I went to check what it was, it failed to cat |
| 22:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | axx_: Does it exist? |
| 22:57.31 | axx_ | it does |
| 22:57.42 | miasma | I also had one question actually. what's the recommended way for debian users with intel graphics when the gpu hangs (according to dmesg). apparently the X driver is somewhat old? i tried to install X from experimental, but it fails to install |
| 22:57.44 | puty | hi. anyone have a samsung galaxy S ? |
| 22:57.50 | jhutchins_lt | Is it open deny all by something? |
| 22:58.02 | axx_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13 2008-10-26 00:16 sbcl.conffiles |
| 22:58.25 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: you don't get i/o errors when a file doesn't have read permissions |
| 22:59.00 | axx_ | and cat should just read the content of the file, there appears to be a problem with that file |
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| 22:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: The lenny drivers for most intel chipsets work fine. Squeeze has had several problems with them. Experimental is just that. |
| 22:59.14 | axx_ | oh well, I'll backup the rest and move fwd with the upgrade |
| 22:59.45 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: i tried to play alien arena. the game hangs and in text mode console the drm driver outputs infinite stream of gpu hung errors |
| 23:00.09 | jhutchins_lt | axx_: I'm thinking something opened the file and locked it for exclusive (write) access and didn't release it. |
| 23:00.30 | axx_ | jhutchins_it quite possible, the system is running so it could be the case |
| 23:00.44 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Which chipset, which kernel, which driver ? |
| 23:01.24 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: 2.6.36 kernel, g45 chipset (x4500). the debian testing's xorg drivers |
| 23:01.58 | axx_ | right, this is laziness and a silly question: how do I backup my MySQL database? |
| 23:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Does it work with the lenny drivers? |
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| 23:02.10 | miasma | i haven't tried |
| 23:02.16 | axx_ | (yes, I don't have a cron job doing it regularly :/) |
| 23:02.22 | miasma | but i guess the official answer is to use debian stable |
| 23:02.35 | jhutchins_lt | axx_: stop mysql, copy /var/lib/mysql/* recursively, or use mysqldump. |
| 23:02.54 | axx_ | jhutchins_It: thanks a lot :) |
| 23:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Well, there are known issues with intel graphics in squeeze, so that's one of the first questions. |
| 23:03.33 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: is it related to that specific driver version. any idea if e.g. upgrading would help |
| 23:03.39 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Next I guess is to look for bugreports on your chipset and see if there are work-arounds like disabling kms. |
| 23:03.43 | miasma | i could try to install x.org to /usr/local/ |
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| 23:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: The kms implementation is what's caused most of the Intel problems in Debian (there are others in other distros). |
| 23:04.05 | miasma | ok |
| 23:04.06 | miasma | thanks |
| 23:04.29 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: i was using the latest stable stock kernel from kernel.org, so thought those don't affect me |
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| 23:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: What I do for testing is install it as a boot option, that way if it croaks on me I can drop back to stable and compare. |
| 23:05.00 | miasma | right |
| 23:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: That's another thing - try a debian kernel. |
| 23:05.34 | miasma | i have reason to believe that the more recent kernels have better driver implementations, but a might be wrong |
| 23:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Remember that the debian kernels are heavily patched compared to the same version number at kernel.org |
| 23:05.40 | miasma | *I |
| 23:06.09 | miasma | another thing is that I wouldn't want to use initramfs. it slows down the system |
| 23:06.24 | jhutchins_lt | ...only at boot. |
| 23:06.31 | miasma | yea, but I boot daily |
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| 23:06.45 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Besides, testing slows down the system. So does crashing and hanging and such. |
| 23:06.50 | miasma | :F |
| 23:06.53 | miasma | I've managed to cut down the startup time to 5 seconds |
| 23:07.08 | miasma | from grub to gdm |
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| 23:07.17 | Rienzilla | I suffer that great penalty once every 6 months or so :P |
| 23:07.19 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Yes, but... five seconds to boot, how long to hang? |
| 23:07.24 | miasma | =) |
| 23:07.33 | miasma | only happens with this one game |
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| 23:07.46 | peterS | I suffer a much longer boot process because, every time I boot, it's been long enough that ext3 wants to fsck my filesystems |
| 23:07.48 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, well, give yourself options. |
| 23:07.58 | peterS | I could disable this of course but it's there for a reason and I can't really disagree with that reason |
| 23:08.05 | miasma | yep. thanks for the replies. gotta study the debian bugzilla |
| 23:08.07 | Rienzilla | I use xfs :) |
| 23:08.16 | miasma | peterS: ext4 might be faster |
| 23:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | Rienzilla: I thought the X Font Server was deprecated? |
| 23:08.52 | miasma | heh |
| 23:09.00 | peterS | miasma: even when checking the structure of the whole fs? |
| 23:09.15 | Rienzilla | I don't know. the filesystem xfs still is supported though :) |
| 23:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I would expect ext4 to be slower at almost any task, with a very few large-file exceptions. |
| 23:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | Rienzilla: Yeah, it is. |
| 23:09.50 | miasma | peterS: i'm not sure. i know the extents speed up some operations, but checking the ext4 partitions has been quick, too |
| 23:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | After all, ext4 is ext2 + ext3 features + ext4 features. |
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| 23:10.44 | miasma | ubuntu also uses ext4 even though phoronix has many times showed how it suffers a huge performance penalty due to regressions |
| 23:10.58 | peterS | miasma: oh sure, if you decide to just trust the journal and not do a full fsck. but I'm talking about the full fsck, which ext2/ext3 decide ought to be done if it's been at least 180 days since last check, on the theory that if there _is_ any corruption in the structure that has crept in, it's nice to catch it eventually. |
| 23:11.15 | miasma | peterS: yep |
| 23:11.33 | peterS | miasma: of course you can disable this check and then brag about how fast your fs can fsck, but to me that kinda misses the point (: I think the check is useful, so I haven't disabled it. and if I switched to ext4 I'd probably still keep it. |
| 23:11.45 | miasma | right |
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| 23:12.10 | miasma | i wasn't particularly bragging. just noticing that it has been quite fast for some unknown reason (to me) =) |
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| 23:12.20 | peterS | sure, just sayin'. |
| 23:12.51 | miasma | maybe 50% of the boot time i see a blank display due to slow mode setting logic in my flat panel |
| 23:12.59 | miasma | so i have no clue what happens |
| 23:13.03 | peterS | heh |
| 23:14.27 | peterS | I think what I'd like is for fsck to decide my fs hasn't been fsck'd in awhile, do the log replay, then take an LVM snapshot and fsck _that_ in the background, so I can get on with the boot |
| 23:14.47 | peterS | then if there's anything the fsck thought it should fix, that actually affects the structure of the thing, it can let me know later |
| 23:14.53 | miasma | yea |
| 23:15.11 | peterS | the snapshot fsck would be read-only |
| 23:15.32 | miasma | i hate how the init scripts decide to check all my 10 file systems on the same boot. it usually happens when I need to print that report in 20 seconds |
| 23:15.38 | peterS | the 'let me know later' thing would presumably be via mail to root, like system cron jobs do |
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| 23:17.06 | peterS | this wouldn't be a perfect solution, as LVM snapshots can incur a lot of overhead (every time you write to the fs, it has to rewrite a 4 MB or so chunk) but it would be better than me twiddling my thumbs through the full fsck |
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| 23:17.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | where can I get the public keys for squeeze? |
| 23:18.23 | peterS | KaffeeJunky123: other than upgrading the 'debian-archive-keyring' package? |
| 23:18.55 | peterS | (the lenny version of that should include squeeze keys, I think, so there's continuity) |
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| 23:20.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | peterS: doesn't seem to be so ^^ |
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| 23:21.25 | peterS | KaffeeJunky123: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2010.08.28~lenny1/changelog |
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| 23:21.38 | peterS | KaffeeJunky123: version 2010.08.28 adds the squeeze archive key |
| 23:21.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | reinstalling fixed it |
| 23:22.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | skype doesn't like squeeze |
| 23:22.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 611: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!" it's exiting with this error, any ideas? |
| 23:23.32 | peterS | interesting. not really. does 'ldd' run on it? (quite possibly not, it runs a lot of the same code.) |
| 23:24.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | on the skype binary? |
| 23:25.11 | peterS | yes |
| 23:25.41 | peterS | which may or may not be in /usr/bin, a lot of third-party code goes through some nonsense with setting environment variables and such and executes stuff in /usr/lib or /opt or something |
| 23:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: 64b? |
| 23:26.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes 64bit |
| 23:26.42 | jhutchins_lt | .Sigh. The 32 works fine |
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| 23:27.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | peterS: ldd works |
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| 23:27.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | peterS: it seems to load a lot of 32bit libs o_O |
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| 23:28.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | or atleast it wants to ^^ |
| 23:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | Sloppy code |
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| 23:30.43 | axx_ | ok thanks all, take care ! |
| 23:30.47 | axx_ | bye bye :) |
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| 23:43.15 | thepro4ever | yo |
| 23:43.26 | dvs | nes |
| 23:43.28 | thepro4ever | how do I do a grep on on the files in a directory and all subdirectories |
| 23:44.06 | dvs | xargs/grep |
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| 23:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: -r |
| 23:46.45 | Bushmills | wonders what the purpose of a man page is |
| 23:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: It allows those who know how to use them to appear inscrutably wise to those who don't. |
| 23:48.10 | Bushmills | good point. |
| 23:49.05 | Bushmills | then the threshold for accessing them should be raised :D |
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| 23:50.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | got skype to work, the solution was on the wikipage <_< |
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| 23:51.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | now my only problem left is ctrl+alt+f1 etc won't work :/ |
| 23:51.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | already tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 23:52.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | but that didn't help :( |
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| 23:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | xev? |
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| 23:56.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: what exactly should I do with xev? check if the keycodes are right? |
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| 23:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | Well, first thing I'd do is see what Ctrl and Alt are generating. |
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| 23:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I'd also check inittab and xorg.conf |
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| 23:57.03 | nameless` | hi there |
| 23:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: Let me guess, it's not lenny. |
| 23:57.37 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: what for? |
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| 23:57.54 | Bushmills | and, why? |
| 23:57.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: oh you weren't around when I said that I'm using squeeze |
| 23:58.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | I#m sorry |
| 23:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Sorry, buffer. |
| 23:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Meant for KaffeeJunky123 |
| 23:58.18 | nameless` | is there any trick to permit a client to use ssh tunneling or scp and avoiding them to connect to the remote machine ? my first guess is playing with /etc/passwd |
| 23:58.39 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: kde? |
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| 23:58.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: no, I'm using gnome |
| 23:58.55 | Bushmills | nameless`: scponly |
| 23:59.00 | Tekk_ | I think I found a really bizarre bug in vnc... |
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| 23:59.30 | nameless` | Bushmills: it's a program ? or are you telling me that it is possible for scp only but not for ssh tunelling |
| 23:59.38 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: I've had that happen with a couple upgrades/installs in the past year or two, and had it go away after the second or third reboot. |
| 23:59.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: I guess I'll try that |