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| 00:22.43 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 00:22.43 | dpkg | <Maulkin> britney may have... issues, yes |
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| 00:43.59 | crn | does the debian IA 64 architecture work for Intel core i3 and i5 processors? |
| 00:45.21 | dondelelcaro | crn: core i3 and i5 are not IA64, they're amd64. |
| 00:45.40 | dondelelcaro | (or x86-64) |
| 00:45.55 | crn | ok |
| 00:46.18 | dondelelcaro | (generally speaking, if you paid less than about 5K for your machine, it's not IA64) |
| 00:46.53 | Tekk_ | dondelelcaro: that's an awesome way of putting it |
| 00:47.22 | crn | i haven't tried 64 bit computing yet. will debian work as well as for the x86 distros? |
| 00:47.28 | dondelelcaro | crn: yes |
| 00:48.01 | crn | i'll have all the packages im used to? |
| 00:48.05 | crn | more or less |
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| 00:49.18 | Tekk_ | crn: why more or less? As long as you stick with the main repos they'll be the same packages, outside of sid |
| 00:49.27 | crn | thanks |
| 00:49.37 | phik | more than likely, wheather they will take full advance of the extra 32bits is another matter iirc |
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| 00:50.13 | arctanx | and if you stray outside the main repos you might find that the 64-bit non-free flash player is a pile of balls </not_debian_though> |
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| 00:51.33 | Tekk_ | arctanx: I wouldn't say not debian, in 32 the flash player is in contrib, so I assume it's the same |
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| 00:52.12 | arctanx | Tekk_: IIRC contrib is not considered to be part of debian |
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| 00:52.54 | phik | Every package in contrib must comply with the DFSG. |
| 00:53.00 | phik | so i dont think flash is in there... |
| 00:53.40 | phik | its in non-fre? |
| 00:54.03 | dondelelcaro | it is in contrib |
| 00:54.05 | arctanx | packages.d.o says it's in contrib. however that may be because the downloader/installer follows dfsg, even if the thingy it grabs does not |
| 00:54.15 | crn | i've heard from a friend that flash is a problem for 64 bits. |
| 00:54.23 | dondelelcaro | crn: that's why you use gnash or similar |
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| 00:54.41 | phik | i stand corrected |
| 00:54.54 | arctanx | I don't want to bash gnash because they've made awesome progress, but it's a little misleading to call it an effective replacement just yet |
| 00:55.45 | themill | the flash package in contrib is only a downloader and installer. The actual flash plugin itself is not even in non-free. |
| 00:56.09 | dondelelcaro | most of what you want flash for is to watch youtube, which gnash does perfectly well |
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| 00:57.25 | dondelelcaro | considering that I don't have flash on any of my machines, I do consider gnash an effective replacement. |
| 00:58.00 | amphi | cclive is nice for streaming youtube and some others to mplayer or whatever |
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| 00:58.40 | megana | is there an amd64 debian netinst for usb out there? |
| 00:58.51 | crn | dondelelcaro, i mostly need a server that will joomla. this takes sql and apache |
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| 00:59.02 | crn | will run joomla |
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| 00:59.52 | dondelelcaro | megana: yes |
| 00:59.59 | megana | an img file? |
| 01:00.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell megana -about ig |
| 01:00.13 | megana | because I have no idea what to do with that ftp link |
| 01:00.28 | dondelelcaro | megana: the install guide explains precisely what to do |
| 01:00.29 | megana | lenny? don't I want squeeze? |
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| 01:00.57 | dondelelcaro | megana: the instructions are the same, just different images |
| 01:01.03 | megana | lol okay |
| 01:01.28 | megana | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 01:01.38 | ttiicc | which one do you guys recommend stable or testing for my home desktop system? |
| 01:01.50 | megana | squeeze is nice |
| 01:02.33 | arctanx | mm squeeze is nearly done so that will become the new stable soon... and if you feel you're getting out of date you can track the new testing later |
| 01:03.14 | amphi | ttiicc: there are no security updates for testing, and you should be prepared for things to break occasionally |
| 01:03.29 | ttiicc | when will squeeze be the stable release? |
| 01:03.43 | amphi | !wwsr |
| 01:03.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 01:03.53 | ttiicc | how long is the iteration between the stable releases? |
| 01:04.30 | ttiicc | for ubuntu it's 6 months! but what about debian? |
| 01:04.32 | arctanx | it's planned to be ~18 months now |
| 01:04.56 | ttiicc | okej then I could maybe stick to the stable releases |
| 01:04.57 | arctanx | there was a relatively recent decision to aim for that particular cycle length |
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| 01:05.17 | ttiicc | thanks for the supplies guys |
| 01:05.24 | megana | this thing you gave me doesn't give me a link to a usb img ;P |
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| 01:10.43 | bronaugh | [10783.824186] INFO: task dpkg:10322 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 01:10.51 | bronaugh | I've done some digging and found no answers on this. |
| 01:11.03 | bronaugh | it's not just dpkg -- it's also (at least) mkfs.xfs |
| 01:11.12 | bronaugh | Linux medusa 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 20 00:05:22 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:11.28 | bronaugh | anyone else seen this? |
| 01:12.43 | megana | what is zcat? |
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| 01:12.49 | bronaugh | zcat = cat for gzip |
| 01:13.00 | amphi | man zcat might reveal something |
| 01:13.10 | megana | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/disk1 |
| 01:13.10 | megana | zcat: boot.img.gz.Z: No such file or directory |
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| 01:13.27 | bronaugh | then use gzcat |
| 01:13.27 | crn | does amd64 have a preferred chip set? for intel im offered p55, h55, x58. one difference among them is on board video i think. |
| 01:14.01 | megana | I like the way zcat sounds :] |
| 01:14.05 | megana | okay, gzcat workds |
| 01:14.07 | megana | works* |
| 01:14.18 | bronaugh | gzip -cd <file> is the same |
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| 01:15.23 | megana | okay⦠so after I zcat the boot.img.gz into my device it should be mountable as FAT it says here.... |
| 01:15.34 | megana | but then it says I should stick a netinst iso on there |
| 01:15.37 | megana | I am confused by that |
| 01:17.09 | stew | megana: after you mount it, just copy the iso file onto the filesystem |
| 01:17.20 | megana | okay |
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| 01:25.35 | megana | does the iso need a special name stew? |
| 01:25.40 | megana | how will it find the iso????????? |
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| 01:26.00 | bronaugh | HOW WILL I FIND MY ?????? ?????? ?K KEY |
| 01:26.12 | megana | :p |
| 01:27.50 | dondelelcaro | megana: by magick. |
| 01:27.59 | megana | wellâ¦. it didn't quite work |
| 01:28.00 | megana | it says |
| 01:28.14 | megana | Unknown keyword in configuration file: boxKa* |
| 01:28.27 | megana | No DFAULT or UI configuration directive found! |
| 01:28.30 | megana | boot: _ |
| 01:28.39 | bronaugh | perhaps you could spice your descriptions up with a few more pronouns. |
| 01:28.55 | dondelelcaro | megana: that generally means that you didn't copy the iso to the root directory, and did something else to write the iso to the usb drive |
| 01:29.25 | megana | Hi bronaugh, I am trying to make an amd64 netinst for a usb stick |
| 01:29.55 | bronaugh | there's an image for a usb stick. |
| 01:29.57 | bronaugh | why not just use that? |
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| 01:30.06 | megana | I imaged the stick with the boot.img.gz, and then copied debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-netinst.iso to the root of the device |
| 01:30.20 | megana | where? |
| 01:30.21 | dondelelcaro | megana: how did you copy the image? |
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| 01:30.33 | megana | just drag and drop in finder |
| 01:31.10 | bronaugh | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:31.21 | megana | that's what I used :P |
| 01:31.27 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: that's not the full image |
| 01:31.39 | dondelelcaro | megana: ok, that should be all that needs to be done |
| 01:31.51 | dondelelcaro | megana: what was the full path to the boot.img.gz that you used? |
| 01:31.57 | megana | I want the fancy installation menu like the cd netinst |
| 01:32.01 | bronaugh | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 01:32.11 | megana | same thing as what he just pasted |
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| 01:32.50 | dvs | megana: no, where you got the boot.img.gz from |
| 01:32.56 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: fair enough. |
| 01:33.12 | megana | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz? |
| 01:33.27 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: any idea why dpkg would hang and the kernel would report that it was blocked on something for >120s? |
| 01:33.27 | megana | there? |
| 01:33.30 | dvs | yup |
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| 01:33.34 | bronaugh | fwiw, sync and mkfs.xfs have now done that to me too. |
| 01:33.35 | dondelelcaro | megana: ok, and you wrote the image like zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda; or similar? |
| 01:33.45 | megana | gzcat |
| 01:34.05 | megana | it worked okay, there's a bunch of files on the stick now like f1.txt |
| 01:34.35 | dondelelcaro | megana: are you doing this on a Debian machine? Or using macos? |
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| 01:34.41 | megana | osx |
| 01:34.56 | dondelelcaro | megana: ok. And you wrote it to the device, not the first partition? |
| 01:35.02 | megana | correct |
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| 01:35.40 | megana | I think the image is okay, it does have a prompt after all |
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| 01:35.50 | bronaugh | [11263.005095] INFO: task flush-9:0:10343 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 01:35.52 | megana | just, no pretty red swirl |
| 01:35.53 | bronaugh | this too now. |
| 01:35.54 | infinity01 | any packages that convert png into pdf? |
| 01:36.06 | dondelelcaro | infinity01: loads |
| 01:36.23 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: that usually means IO errors or similar |
| 01:36.35 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: no i/o errors logged. |
| 01:37.00 | ice799 | Hi there. I am using Debian Lenny on an amd64 system. I have a set of iptables rules and when I load them and view them with (iptables --list) everything looks OK. When I port scan myself with nmap, however, there appears to be a bug of some sort. |
| 01:37.11 | megana | this is so depressing |
| 01:37.11 | ice799 | I've copied and pasted the rules, iptables --list output, and nmap output here: http://pastie.org/1318941 |
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| 01:37.17 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: also this now happens on two different debian machines. |
| 01:37.29 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: the constant is SSDs with ext4 on them. |
| 01:37.36 | ice799 | Any hints as to what I could be doing wrong are greatly appreciated. |
| 01:37.44 | megana | bronaugh, did you give up on me? |
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| 01:37.56 | megana | dondel? |
| 01:37.57 | infinity01 | dondelelcaro: just realised i could do "Print to file" lol, anyway thanks |
| 01:38.08 | bronaugh | megana: dunno at this point what the problem is. |
| 01:38.42 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: that and Intel Xeon 55**/56** processors w/similar motherboards. |
| 01:38.44 | megana | is there a premade image? :P |
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| 01:39.49 | megana | it closed |
| 01:40.17 | jjl | which signal is send to processes on logout? I catch SIGTERM SIGHUP SIGINT and SIGQUIT. But it does not work. Idea? |
| 01:40.35 | dondelelcaro | megana: try the same procedure with the stable images just to compare |
| 01:41.20 | megana | okay |
| 01:41.25 | megana | you mean lenny? |
| 01:41.49 | megana | do I have to reimage the stick and download a new netinst? |
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| 01:42.15 | dondelelcaro | megana: yes |
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| 01:42.24 | megana | what if I mixed them up? |
| 01:42.41 | dondelelcaro | megana: that shouldn't cause this problem |
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| 01:43.09 | megana | okay, so I am downloading boot.img.gz from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:43.15 | doublehp | is there a web browser that can support Js+Java and that does not require X at all ? pure CLI, or can be scripted compleetely ? |
| 01:44.42 | megana | I zcatted the img to the usb stick |
| 01:45.43 | megana | now I download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-506-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:45.50 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you can script iceweasel completely using greasemonkey, but AFAIK, there's no way to do java with CLI |
| 01:45.54 | megana | and stick it on the usb drive |
| 01:46.04 | megana | amidoingitright? |
| 01:46.07 | dvs | yup |
| 01:46.23 | dondelelcaro | megana: assuming you're copying it to the mounted usb stick, and waiting for it to finish before unmounting it, yes. |
| 01:47.37 | megana | just got to wait 4 minutes for this download now... |
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| 01:47.57 | megana | what does the image do without the cd iso added? |
| 01:48.09 | stew | tell you that it can't find the iso |
| 01:48.20 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:48.21 | megana | that's pretty neat |
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| 01:48.36 | konr | Guys, how can I get my microphone working? |
| 01:49.26 | megana | must be some gnome util |
| 01:49.40 | zinx | konr: usually by unmuting it and turning mic boost on |
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| 01:49.53 | nevyn | konr: and selecting mic as the capture source |
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| 01:51.06 | konr | hmmm |
| 01:51.33 | megana | okayâ¦â¦. hopefully this works |
| 01:51.55 | dvs | *boom* |
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| 01:52.14 | megana | :P |
| 01:52.44 | megana | tnat's pretty much what it did |
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| 01:52.59 | megana | it keeps rebooting |
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| 01:53.14 | megana | unknown keyword in configuration file |
| 01:53.20 | megana | loading linuxâ¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦.. ready |
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| 01:53.33 | megana | then it dies when it probes an EDD |
| 01:53.38 | konr | not working :( perhaps i need to load some module |
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| 01:55.59 | megana | any thoughts? |
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| 01:57.27 | megana | what are the chance the image gets corrupt when it writes it? |
| 01:57.45 | megana | it does have junk after "Unknown keyword in configuration file:" |
| 02:00.12 | dvs | megana: did you type "sync" before you unpluged the USB/rebooted? |
| 02:00.34 | megana | in terminal.app? |
| 02:00.46 | megana | nope |
| 02:01.02 | dvs | megana: whatever you used to write to usb |
| 02:01.10 | megana | nope |
| 02:01.27 | megana | should I try use debian to write the debian image? :P |
| 02:01.45 | dvs | it might not have finished writing to the USB |
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| 02:01.59 | megana | okay |
| 02:02.03 | dvs | megana: oh wait. you copied the iso to the USB right? |
| 02:02.15 | megana | of course |
| 02:02.26 | dvs | megana: did you umount the USB afterwards? |
| 02:02.28 | fabiim | Hi , I stupidly screw up my debian lenny , and installed debian squeeze leaving the /home partition intact . I stupidly forge to specify to use it as /home in the install process. I wanted to know if there will be some problem specifying to mount it as /home in fstab now ? |
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| 02:02.45 | megana | ya |
| 02:02.57 | dvs | ok. that's not the problem then. |
| 02:03.14 | megana | so, don't bother with the sync? |
| 02:03.24 | dvs | no, umount will do the same thing |
| 02:03.52 | megana | maybe I should image this vm onto it :P |
| 02:05.22 | megana | I should go buy and then return a sata cd drive, this is too difficult >_> |
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| 02:07.17 | dvs | megana: maybe try "the flexible way" |
| 02:07.29 | megana | what's that then? |
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| 02:07.56 | dvs | megana: it's part of the usb install instructions |
| 02:08.05 | icebrain | fabiim: do a backup before doing that, that way it'll be safe.... |
| 02:08.07 | megana | oh that |
| 02:08.48 | fabiim | icebrain, thanks for the advice |
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| 02:09.24 | megana | always with the unknown keyword in configuration file |
| 02:09.40 | icebrain | fabiim: but it's probably OK |
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| 02:12.33 | konr | no ideas, guys? is there something I perhaps need to install to use the microphone |
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| 02:14.47 | megana | I can't do flexible without a linux setup available |
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| 02:15.16 | dvs | oh. that could be a problem |
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| 02:15.33 | megana | that is so catch 22 |
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| 02:16.09 | megana | frustrated :P |
| 02:16.34 | megana | what if I put the disk from the computer into a laptop and then installed the base system? |
| 02:16.58 | sanjoyd | I installed non-free nvidia drivers; using m-a as outlined in the Debian wiki. Weirdly, OpenGL fails to work now - when I try to run glxgears, I get a glXCreateContext failed error. |
| 02:17.17 | sanjoyd | How do I go about troubleshooting? |
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| 02:19.40 | megana | dvs, I did get the live usb to work fine |
| 02:19.49 | megana | I just didn't know what to do with it |
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| 02:20.21 | megana | can I install from that? |
| 02:20.50 | dvs | megana: That's called bootstrapping. I've never tried that before. |
| 02:21.30 | megana | me neither |
| 02:22.28 | megana | can I get it to boot then write the netinst image to the harddrive :P |
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| 02:23.28 | dvs | megana: why not? but I don't see how you can get it to install over itself |
| 02:24.08 | megana | mean spirited? |
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| 02:27.34 | megana | so this is called boot strapping? |
| 02:27.57 | dvs | !bootstrapping |
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| 02:29.53 | dvs | megana: You basically use install from a running Debian system. |
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| 02:44.03 | debianoob | hey all! is the disk uuid stored in /etc/udev/rules.d? |
| 02:44.37 | Boohemian | how do i make it so /var/www/ and everything inside is read+write for user 'nginx'? |
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| 02:45.33 | un214 | disk uuid is stored in the slot for it for each partition type |
| 02:45.44 | un214 | the mbr's uuid is stored in the mbr |
| 02:46.12 | un214 | /etc/udev/rules.d can contain copies to enforce the same disk always having the same name even if you move disks around |
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| 02:46.46 | debianoob | chmod -R +rw /var/www |
| 02:47.26 | debianoob | hmoops u need to add user to that |
| 02:47.43 | un214 | although I found the traditional way more stable because I'm more likely to copy entire filesystems than replace disks in a manner that will cause the device node mappings to change |
| 02:48.01 | debianoob | ok so it isn't like the network adapters? |
| 02:48.49 | debianoob | i cloned v2p and had to edit fstab and hmm menu.lst |
| 02:52.38 | debianoob | Boohemian: maybe try: chown -R ngnix /var/www; chmod -R +urw /var/www |
| 02:56.00 | debianoob | un214: thank you.. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules has the mac address for the net adapters... thought maybe uuid stored in there too maybe |
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| 02:58.34 | Boohemian | debianoob: does it matter that root currently owns the files? |
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| 03:00.09 | debianoob | Boohemian: chown -R nginx:nginx /var/www |
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| 03:00.32 | Boohemian | debianoob: what about the chmod? |
| 03:00.39 | debianoob | Boohemian: and chmod -R u+rw /var/www |
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| 03:00.47 | debianoob | i think... |
| 03:01.01 | reavengrey | Hi, I'd like to upgrade my debian installation from the 2.6.26 to 2.6.36 |
| 03:01.11 | reavengrey | It came with 2.6.26. |
| 03:01.30 | reavengrey | Does apt have full kernel + initrd packages? |
| 03:01.48 | reavengrey | Or do I have to manually compile kernel + drivers? |
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| 03:02.31 | Tordek | hey |
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| 03:03.01 | karlpinc | !tell reavengrey about bdo |
| 03:03.06 | debianoob | reavengrey what kernel is sid? |
| 03:03.33 | debianoob | maybe 2.6.32? |
| 03:03.33 | Tordek | I'm on testing, and I tried updating. one package (ia32-libs) is being kept back because it has conflicts: it provides some files that ia32-libs-workaround-499043 does, and apt-get won't overwrite |
| 03:03.41 | reavengrey | debianoob: I'm as much a noob as your nick implies, so I don't really know what "sid" is. |
| 03:04.04 | Tordek | and I can't remove -workaround, because it complains that "ia32 will not be installed" |
| 03:04.21 | reavengrey | Listen, what exactly is this "backports" thing? |
| 03:04.34 | reavengrey | I keep reading about it, and google as I may, the best explanation I get is: |
| 03:04.37 | Tordek | I tried getting aptitude to do both at once, but it just exits on the "it would overwrite something" error |
| 03:04.40 | karlpinc | reavengrey: New programs for stable, including a newer kernel. |
| 03:04.42 | Tordek | a hand? |
| 03:05.22 | debianoob | reavengrey, i cannot just kind of wondering myself i f i can get at least 2.6.32 |
| 03:05.33 | reavengrey | That is, if I take this backports thing, I'll get a newer kernel and drivers? |
| 03:05.41 | debianoob | sid is debian unstable |
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| 03:06.00 | debianoob | yea you will need to recompile any modules ofc.. |
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| 03:06.12 | karlpinc | reavengrey: If you enable backports you can install 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1 |
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| 03:06.23 | karlpinc | reavengrey: You want something newer see the <ssb> factoid. |
| 03:06.37 | debianoob | thats good news |
| 03:06.46 | karlpinc | reavengrey: Or the make-kpkg program. |
| 03:06.51 | reavengrey | Will I get a generic initrd with that kernel? I'm sur eIw ill, but I think I shoudl ask. |
| 03:07.32 | ehc | what's the recommended way to download all files from an apache directory index? |
| 03:07.41 | karlpinc | reavengrey: It's plug and play, a replacement for the stock lenny kernel, so yes. However security updates are not guarenteed on stuff in backports as they are in stable. |
| 03:07.51 | debianoob | ehc: wget? |
| 03:08.03 | karlpinc | ehc: or curl |
| 03:08.12 | reavengrey | Thank you, karlpinc. |
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| 03:10.02 | karlpinc | reavengrey: Also, pay attention to the release notes when you upgrade to the next stable because there may be some speical steps if you use backports. |
| 03:10.23 | karlpinc | debianoob: (I prefer wget myself.) |
| 03:11.05 | reavengrey | Thanks again. I think waht I really need to do is spend about 2 days reading up on how debian works, differences between etch, sid, lenny and all those terms I hear, and get to understand properly |
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| 03:11.52 | karlpinc | reavengrey: I find stable+backports+volatile meets my needs (see the <sns> factoid). YMMV. |
| 03:12.11 | Boohemian | my site now cannot be reached and i want to revert back (i was changing permissions to allow user nginx read+write at /var/www/*). i entered this command, "chown -R nginx:nginx /var/www" - what do i need to do to go back? before, root had read+write |
| 03:12.14 | Boohemian | debianoob: ^ |
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| 03:13.19 | debianoob | boohemian |
| 03:13.39 | karlpinc | Boohemian: Probably "chown -R root:www-data /var/www" but really that may be wrong. You'll want to look at your backups to be sure of what you used to have. |
| 03:13.42 | debianoob | boohemianroot can do whatever |
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| 03:14.08 | karlpinc | Boohemian: s\www\www/*\ |
| 03:14.29 | debianoob | boohemian do ls -l /var/www then ownere and group ngnix |
| 03:14.45 | debianoob | that is not what you want? |
| 03:15.03 | Boohemian | both are nginx nginx |
| 03:15.05 | debianoob | easy to change relax |
| 03:15.06 | Boohemian | it used to be root root |
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| 03:15.15 | debianoob | yes |
| 03:15.45 | debianoob | [20:44] <Boohemian> how do i make it so /var/www/ and everything inside is read+write for user 'nginx'? |
| 03:16.01 | debianoob | chances are that is what you want |
| 03:16.20 | Boohemian | this is what ls -l /var/www/ looked like before i made the permissions change: http://pastie.org/private/7hbxe3veumgm5hbnp4ewrq |
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| 03:16.44 | Boohemian | debianoob: well, i want to revert, because i actually want to do usermod -a -G www-data nginx |
| 03:17.00 | debianoob | however i only use ngnix once and the maintainer iirc does not o things the 'Debian way' tm |
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| 03:17.42 | debianoob | Boohemian: chown -R nginx:www-data /var/www |
| 03:18.21 | reavengrey | Please clarify: Backports is a repo with new packages, meant specifically to be used with the current stable (lenny == stable?). So that means that using backports with older debian installations may produce conflicts? I suppose this is why the dpkg bot tells you to "aptitude update" before doing anything with backports? |
| 03:18.28 | debianoob | boohemian: ls -l /var/www |
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| 03:18.48 | Boohemian | debianoob: what is the difference between usermod -a -G www-data nginx and chown -R nginx:www-data /var/www |
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| 03:19.18 | ehc | karlpinc, debianoob - wget -r -l 1 URL :) |
| 03:19.34 | debianoob | reavengrey: i assumed you were on lenny |
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| 03:20.12 | debianoob | ehc: yes :D |
| 03:20.30 | reavengrey | Allow me to find out: right now I'm on my Ubuntu, trying to gather info before going to play with debian. |
| 03:20.51 | un214 | I left ubuntu |
| 03:20.51 | reavengrey | My debian install has no nic drivers, in spit of having a generic initrd |
| 03:21.02 | debianoob | karlpinc: yes curl i navent used much has lots more functionality i hear |
| 03:21.08 | un214 | wireless? |
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| 03:21.27 | reavengrey | I'm aware of the fact that my wifi drivers need 2.6.32 and above, and the wlan driver is unsupported. |
| 03:21.42 | jhutchins | reavengrey: backports is matched to whatever the current stable release is, it's not likely to cause conflicts, but the whole suite has not been tested as well as the stable archives. |
| 03:21.50 | jhutchins | s/archives/repos |
| 03:22.02 | reavengrey | Thanks. |
| 03:22.30 | un214 | it seems to me that the correct wireless drivers are not going to be installed by default unless you use the netinstall cdrom |
| 03:22.51 | debianoob | Boohemian: that is blank page is it still wrong? |
| 03:22.53 | jhutchins | un214: Actually, the netinstall doesn't have much to do with it. |
| 03:23.15 | un214 | it is going to make sure you don't install with busted drivers |
| 03:23.24 | reavengrey | Yes, I'm on lenny. Lenny Stable. |
| 03:23.27 | reavengrey | 5.0.6 |
| 03:23.29 | jhutchins | reavengrey: There is also an etch backports repository. |
| 03:23.46 | reavengrey | nods |
| 03:23.48 | Boohemian | debianoob: i'm getting php errors (this directory holds a drupal site) since i changed the permissions. it gets more complicated because i am trying to switch from lighttpd to nginx, and was trying to setup nginx properly before making the switch so there wasn't downtime |
| 03:24.07 | debianoob | Boohemian: usermod modifies account |
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| 03:24.59 | debianoob | Boohemian: chown -R root:root /var/www |
| 03:25.07 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.31 | debianoob | performance |
| 03:26.06 | Boohemian | jhutchins: optimization |
| 03:26.06 | debianoob | i am going to use apache myself... |
| 03:26.23 | debianoob | i am going to use apache myself... only for a web interface |
| 03:26.28 | karlpinc | reavengrey: Then you will also probably want the kmuto installer, which has a newer kernel, or you will have to use a wired network for install. |
| 03:26.33 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 03:26.33 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 03:27.16 | karlpinc | reavengrey: You may or may not want to read the install guide vis proprietary firmware. |
| 03:27.29 | karlpinc | reavengrey: (In any case you do want to look over the install guide.) |
| 03:27.40 | reavengrey | nods |
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| 03:29.31 | debianoob | imma bbl... Boohemian HTH |
| 03:29.40 | Boohemian | debianoob: i still get the errors |
| 03:29.49 | Boohemian | debianoob: should i try chown -R root:root /var/www/ as well? |
| 03:30.24 | debianoob | [21:24] <debianoob> Boohemian: chown -R root:root /var/www |
| 03:30.37 | debianoob | :D |
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| 03:32.41 | karlpinc | reavengrey: I believe I heard that the kmuto installer now installs a newer-than-stock lenny kernel, in addition to using it as the installer's kernel. |
| 03:33.40 | karlpinc | reavengrey: I am unclear on how that interacts with backports but I assume that you will want backports enabled anyway so as to keep getting updates. |
| 03:34.40 | reavengrey | I had downloaded the latest lenny ISO from the site only about a month ago, and the most recent kernel they had was 2.6.26. But I'm reading about now. I like learning how to do things "manually", so I don;t mind things taking a while. |
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| 03:34.55 | Boohemian | debianoob: i did that. i still have a bunch of php permission denied errors on my website |
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| 03:50.36 | Zxcvb | is a single badblocks pass (read/write testing) enough for new hard drives nowadays? |
| 03:53.07 | Wyzard | Zxcvb: Should be, but "smartctl -t long" is better |
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| 03:55.08 | Zxcvb | how long does smartctl -t long take? |
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| 03:55.37 | Zxcvb | a single badblocks pass took 40 hours |
| 03:55.39 | zinx | how long does it take to mow a yard? |
| 03:55.48 | Wyzard | depends on the drive; it's a few hours on my Seagate 750GB drives |
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| 03:56.06 | Wyzard | Nowhere near 40; more like 3 |
| 03:56.06 | Zxcvb | Wyzard: so much faster than badblocks, especially over usb? |
| 03:56.22 | Wyzard | I don't think you can do SMART over USB |
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| 03:56.39 | Wyzard | but the USB is probably the reason why your badblocks scan took so long |
| 03:56.51 | Wyzard | I have eSATA enclosures for external drives |
| 03:57.31 | Wyzard | One nice thing about doing the SMART scan is that you can continue using the drive while it's in progress |
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| 03:57.58 | Wyzard | You don't want to use it heavily -- every I/O operation makes the drive pause the scan, so it takes longer -- but you don't have to unmount |
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| 03:58.34 | Zxcvb | Wyzard: well, I don't think you can use the new wd usb ones any other way without soldering |
| 03:58.58 | Wyzard | and it's implemented in the drive's firmware so it can do more thorough testing than user-level read/write operations |
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| 03:59.20 | Wyzard | Aren't most "USB" hard drives really just IDE/SATA drives in a shell with a built-in adapter? |
| 04:00.25 | Zxcvb | some have the usb controller soldered on |
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| 04:00.32 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:00.34 | Wyzard | shrugs |
| 04:00.39 | Wyzard | Don't buy those :-) |
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| 04:00.49 | Zxcvb | and it looks like the wd 1.5tb usb drives can be tested with smartmontools over usb |
| 04:00.55 | Wyzard | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198011 |
| 04:01.04 | Zxcvb | though you might have to manually get the latest version |
| 04:01.07 | Wyzard | Oh, that's good to know |
| 04:01.18 | Zxcvb | http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices |
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| 04:02.10 | Wyzard | I'll stick with eSATA though |
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| 04:03.08 | Zxcvb | if I got an esata one then I couldn't use it with my netbook (no expresscard slots) |
| 04:03.19 | Zxcvb | unless there are esata to usb adapters |
| 04:03.31 | Boohemian | can someone help me with permissions issues? i am in the middle of switching webservers from lighttpd to nginx. i was trying to make it so user "nginx" could read+write /var/www/ and all its contents. so i ran "chown -R nginx:nginx /var/www". i then ran "usermod -a -G www-data nginx". i realized that was wrong (and my site is now spitting out a bunch of php errors) and then tried to revert by doing "usermod -a -G ww |
| 04:03.31 | Boohemian | ar/www". i'm still getting the php errors (the errors are saying permission denied inside /var/www). |
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| 04:03.52 | Wyzard | The enclosure I linked to a moment ago supports both USB and eSATA |
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| 04:04.18 | Wyzard | so you can use USB normally, but plug into another computer's eSATA port on occasion when you need to |
| 04:04.32 | reavengrey | Yay! I love backports. |
| 04:04.34 | Wyzard | (or from my viewpoint, use eSATA normally but have USB as an option for flexibility) |
| 04:04.41 | reavengrey | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686/filelist |
| 04:05.06 | reavengrey | Backports for linux-image-2.6.32 has my wifi drivers in it. :) |
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| 04:05.26 | reavengrey | Thanks for giving me the base information to work with everyone. |
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| 04:05.40 | reavengrey | I'll reboot and try to install the linux-image package now. |
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| 04:10.47 | debianoob | Boohemian: ib ok h/o a sec |
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| 04:13.02 | debianoob | hmm i just installed php 5.3... i do not have this /var/www |
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| 04:13.15 | debianoob | didnt that pull apache? |
| 04:13.56 | debianoob | no wait a sec i didnt install php yet... i do that and check perms |
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| 04:18.57 | debianoob | Boohemian ^^ |
| 04:19.28 | debianoob | Boohemian: the default php5 install left me with root:root on /var/www |
| 04:19.47 | debianoob | Boohemian: the default php5/apache* install left me with root:root on /var/www |
| 04:21.09 | Boohemian | debianoob: i got it :) |
| 04:21.11 | Boohemian | i ran "chown -R apache:www-data /var/www" |
| 04:21.24 | Boohemian | i can't use php5.3 yet. hopefully in a year or two :) |
| 04:22.13 | debianoob | i got 5.3 from http://php53.dotdeb.org |
| 04:22.51 | debianoob | Boohemian: ok you got it phew :D |
| 04:22.55 | debianoob | ?? |
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| 04:24.26 | debianoob | ok yea good deal i wish nginx was packaged better.. |
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| 04:24.33 | Mikaze | Anyone recommend a deb package that will convert an M$ Word document to html? |
| 04:24.44 | debianoob | open office? |
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| 04:25.16 | Mikaze | I'm blind, so Open Office doesn't work well for me, unfortunately. |
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| 04:26.38 | debianoob | Mikaze: open office is kind of a big program for just that i almost hesitated to reccommend it... |
| 04:27.15 | Mikaze | S'okay. I'm just hoping the Orca folks get their screen reader ironed out. |
| 04:27.32 | debianoob | recommend |
| 04:27.37 | stew | Mikaze: you can use unoconv to script conversion between any formats that openoffice.org understands |
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| 04:29.16 | stew | debianoob: have you filed bugs on nginx? |
| 04:29.29 | Mikaze | Thank you. Need to 'vert some family recipes over for my website. |
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| 04:30.01 | Mikaze | jamz... |
| 04:30.01 | debianoob | stew: no i have not.. i heard they have all already been filed |
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| 04:30.09 | debianoob | possibly |
| 04:30.28 | debianoob | i am using apache atm |
| 04:30.32 | stew | debianoob: why not look? |
| 04:30.45 | stew | debianoob: if you wish it were packaged better, filing bugs is the first step... |
| 04:31.01 | debianoob | stew: you are correct |
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| 04:34.25 | debianoob | i am sure about a week ago i installed nginx on debian from binaries and performed a few steps to make it more 'Debian like' |
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| 04:36.00 | debianoob | made symlinks and changed some conf file dirs and permissions as well.... |
| 04:36.05 | Zxcvb | so what makes a long test with smartmontools superior to a badblocks test? |
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| 04:37.06 | subsume | Trying to decide whether to go 32 or 64bit for my shared hosting. Are there more packages available on the 32? I also heard the performance increase is wasted in that scenario |
| 04:37.11 | debianoob | Zxcvb: SMART drive status? |
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| 04:37.22 | debianoob | idk, anyone? |
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| 04:38.36 | debianoob | what httpd? |
| 04:38.51 | subsume | formerly apache |
| 04:39.02 | debianoob | idk.. |
| 04:39.31 | stew | subsume: you should not run into any packages available for 32 bit which aren't available for 64 bit. these days, the packages not available for 64 bit are pretty much limited to a few closed source pieces of software not normally found on a server |
| 04:39.36 | debianoob | apache is not known for speed |
| 04:39.53 | stew | subsume: if you have more than 3.6 gigs of ram you want 64 bit |
| 04:40.08 | subsume | I don't think I'll have more than 3.6 gigs. shared hosting is way low. |
| 04:40.58 | stew | subsume: for a web server, you won't typically get benefits from 64 bit with a small amount of memory, 64 bits will typically use more memory |
| 04:41.22 | subsume | right. memory is my main limit so I should go 32. |
| 04:43.54 | debianoob | had fc9 and plesk on a big name shared hosting site... never again |
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| 04:44.25 | debianoob | it was bottlenecked somewhere |
| 04:44.47 | debianoob | and page took ages to load and support didnt know |
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| 05:00.12 | debianoob | stew: good info so if you have less RAM, 64bit will be less performant than 32 bit? |
| 05:00.53 | debianoob | i suppose your swap file is going to get used more |
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| 05:04.36 | alkisg | Any DE lighter than LXDE? LXDE desktop+panel take a lot of RAM... a DE with right-click menu would be sufficient for me... |
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| 05:05.04 | dondelelcaro | you don't need a DE |
| 05:05.21 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty much as light as you can get |
| 05:05.38 | alkisg | dondelelcaro: I do want a graphical method to invoke other things though, like a file manager or an xterm |
| 05:06.35 | debianoob | lxde is ok, did it have rewrite yet? |
| 05:06.36 | alkisg | I.e. when the pc starts I'd like to see an empty screen where I can right click, invoke a menu, and run something from it |
| 05:06.47 | debianoob | try a tiling wm |
| 05:07.01 | debianoob | dwm |
| 05:07.27 | alkisg | LXDE is fine, I just have only 128 RAM on that PC so I need to kill `pcmanfm --desktop` and `lxpanel` when I need to run cups / nfs / ssh... |
| 05:07.34 | alkisg | Thanks, looking for dwm... |
| 05:08.08 | debianoob | dwm a bit 'sparse' |
| 05:08.09 | debianoob | i like it havent tried thers |
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| 05:08.09 | debianoob | or good 'ol twm |
| 05:08.18 | dondelelcaro | alkisg: most WM support the Debian menu, which will let you start things |
| 05:08.23 | debianoob | yea lxde b fine on 128 |
| 05:09.19 | austin987 | alkisg, fvwm? |
| 05:09.27 | dondelelcaro | alkisg: though you'd really be well served by getting more memory. 128M is nothing |
| 05:09.28 | debianoob | fvwm2 |
| 05:09.41 | debianoob | pc100? |
| 05:09.44 | alkisg | dondelelcaro: it's a thin client box, can't add more memory unfortunately |
| 05:09.57 | debianoob | kinda pricey lol easy to salvage |
| 05:09.58 | alkisg | Ty, looking for dwm, twm and fvwm |
| 05:10.20 | debianoob | try buying 256m pc100 |
| 05:10.21 | Boohemian | how do set everything to read+exec-only in the /var/www/ folder and all folders inside /var/www/? |
| 05:10.33 | debianoob | read exec?? |
| 05:10.41 | debianoob | rly>? |
| 05:10.49 | alkisg | debianoob: it doesn't have a slot to insert memory, it's embedded into the motherboard |
| 05:11.20 | debianoob | ok |
| 05:11.24 | Boohemian | debianoob: then i'll make the specific files and directories that need to be write |
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| 05:12.26 | debianoob | Boohemian: ok.. that would be chmod -R +x /var/www |
| 05:12.30 | debianoob | followed by |
| 05:12.43 | debianoob | Boohemian: chmod -R -w /var/www |
| 05:12.48 | debianoob | wait... |
| 05:12.52 | dondelelcaro | alkisg: then it's probably not worth the electricity to run it... |
| 05:13.27 | debianoob | i think that works.. |
| 05:13.33 | debianoob | i didnt test |
| 05:13.44 | debianoob | no its embedded? |
| 05:13.46 | alkisg | dondelelcaro: right now it runs flowlessly, I just disabled pcmanfm, screensaver and lxpanel at /etc/xdg/lxsession/autostart, so I thought I'd remove lxde altogether ;) |
| 05:13.51 | debianoob | like a routerboard? |
| 05:14.01 | dondelelcaro | ugh. NEVER use chmod -R |
| 05:14.11 | debianoob | be better to run x on dumb terminal |
| 05:14.22 | alkisg | dondelelcaro: for nfs / ssh / cups / mplayer it works fine, and it has an extremely low power consumption |
| 05:15.03 | debianoob | dondelelcaro: hmm it does follow symlinks? |
| 05:15.10 | dondelelcaro | debianoob: no, it's just wrong |
| 05:15.24 | debianoob | im not giving tutorial on chmod or anything: man chmod |
| 05:15.34 | dondelelcaro | you don't want files to be +x, and you don't want everything to be -w. |
| 05:15.42 | debianoob | i know that |
| 05:15.48 | debianoob | he asked i told him |
| 05:16.06 | dondelelcaro | debianoob: he asked about all folders inside /var/www |
| 05:16.15 | debianoob | i dont recommend what he wants to do but he has dopwntime and he is trying to get up and running |
| 05:16.32 | debianoob | yea |
| 05:16.33 | dondelelcaro | debianoob: the right way to do that (if that's really what you want) is find /var/www -type d -print0|xargs -0 chmod +x; |
| 05:17.02 | debianoob | that is 1 line u d |
| 05:17.13 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: what i'm trying to do is make everything inside /var/www/* writeable, then only the files i need writeable and executable i'd do next in the relevant directories and files.... |
| 05:17.19 | debianoob | i gave 2 lines 1 sec brb |
| 05:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Boohemian: writeable by whom? |
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| 05:21.37 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: nginx user (i'm trying to change my web server to nginx) |
| 05:22.48 | dondelelcaro | having /var/www writeable by the user who is running the web server is almost always a bad idea. |
| 05:23.01 | debianoob | sorry yes directories... my bad |
| 05:23.49 | debianoob | we chown before but should directories need +x? |
| 05:25.09 | debianoob | dondelelcaro: also i do not remember but i did make changes to nginx install |
| 05:25.15 | debianoob | i think |
| 05:25.16 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: why is it wrong to use -R? |
| 05:25.30 | debianoob | the everything was root |
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| 05:25.59 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: so, what do i do about the permissions? i've been stuck on this step forever... who should be able to read/write/exec inside /var/www (where all my web files are)? |
| 05:26.05 | debianoob | in this case it was wrong |
| 05:26.20 | debianoob | you do not want to make all files =x only directories? |
| 05:26.29 | debianoob | +x* |
| 05:27.37 | Boohemian | i want all dir's to have +x and some files (cgi stuff) to have +x as well... |
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| 05:28.10 | debianoob | yeah directories need +x to be allowed |
| 05:28.25 | debianoob | no +x then you cannot cd |
| 05:28.45 | debianoob | and files you do not want +x |
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| 05:29.09 | Boohemian | i thought certain cgi scripts need +x otherwise httpd will spit out 5xx errors? |
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| 05:29.25 | debianoob | so heres how to fix |
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| 05:33.03 | dondelelcaro | Boohemian: so you specifically mark those files as +x, nothing else. |
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| 05:34.32 | debianoob | ok i just looked back a bit... |
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| 05:34.48 | debianoob | Boohemian: ^^ |
| 05:34.49 | Dewi | Boohemian: you want +r on files, +rx on dirs & CGI scripts. |
| 05:34.52 | Boohemian | ah, i got it |
| 05:34.59 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: what's wrong with chmod -R? |
| 05:35.12 | dondelelcaro | Boohemian: because you rarely actually want it |
| 05:35.22 | Boohemian | chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www && chmod -R 640 /var/www && find /var/www -type d -exec chmod 750 {} +; |
| 05:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Boohemian: normally you only want to modify specific files and directory |
| 05:35.27 | debianoob | Boohemian: chmod -R +w /var/www |
| 05:35.28 | Dewi | Boohemian: with chmod -R you should use +rX ; the capital means x is only applied to dirs |
| 05:35.39 | sacredchao | I tried changing the desktop backround, as soon as I close the dialogue box it reverts to LXDE default |
| 05:35.47 | Dewi | Boohemian: then adjust cgi scripts separately. They are not common, especially nowadays |
| 05:35.52 | debianoob | yes capital |
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| 05:36.06 | ubiquitous1980 | how to install the spacefun theme in squeeze? |
| 05:36.09 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: or things which are already +X for some user... |
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| 05:36.33 | debianoob | then you will be working, but you still will need to remove x on files so |
| 05:36.49 | debianoob | Boohemian: chmod -R -x /var/www |
| 05:37.01 | debianoob | Boohemian: chmod -R +X /var/www |
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| 05:38.59 | debianoob | and cgi scrips need +x |
| 05:39.31 | debianoob | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 05:39.55 | debianoob | thought everything was ok but no |
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| 05:41.21 | debianoob | i am crossing fingers |
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| 05:42.16 | ubiquitous1980 | how to install the spacefun theme in squeeze? |
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| 05:45.20 | streuner | spacefun theme? |
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| 05:55.36 | ribasushi | in aptitutde, when several versions are available (due to multiple apt sources) - is there a way to tell which version is from which repo? |
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| 05:56.49 | debianoob | dondelelcaro: xargs is new to me i would have suggested -O after reading man page but i see you included it |
| 05:58.12 | debianoob | tend to use slocate rather than find... |
| 06:02.08 | debianoob | Boohemian: did you get things sorted? |
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| 06:04.04 | Boohemian | debianoob: yes, well, almost. still working and getting quite tired as a result. thank you :) |
| 06:05.05 | debianoob | Boohemian: i got in chan and asked q, felt obligated to 'help' you... |
| 06:05.36 | debianoob | u think chmod is where i messed up |
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| 06:05.46 | debianoob | chown is nbd |
| 06:06.58 | debianoob | er, that made no sense? |
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| 06:07.32 | debianoob | yea i mess up chmod forgot directories need +x |
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| 06:10.56 | debianoob | when looking back i really didnt see any chmod command i suggested that would break things besides the -w one |
| 06:11.25 | debianoob | every one i suggest was + |
| 06:12.01 | debianoob | albiet -R |
| 06:12.31 | debianoob | well and +x on files is just wrong |
| 06:14.07 | debianoob | i got in chan and i asked a queston right away... |
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| 06:14.15 | debianoob | i think i got answer too |
| 06:14.25 | debianoob | yes |
| 06:16.02 | debianoob | may i ask what s the status again? |
| 06:16.58 | debianoob | maybe try aol server |
| 06:17.08 | debianoob | for performant server |
| 06:17.49 | debianoob | more robust than nginx |
| 06:18.05 | debianoob | ? |
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| 06:20.07 | debianoob | The "unstable" distribution is called sid. |
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| 06:20.31 | debianoob | Wesley Snipes 'in transit' to prison |
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| 06:20.45 | debianoob | oops mt |
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| 06:24.02 | Gorroth | he is? |
| 06:24.58 | debianoob | apparently mt ot |
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| 06:37.08 | franki^ | *cough* PEBKAC *cough* |
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| 06:37.49 | franki^ | That's very true. |
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| 06:56.34 | debianoob | irssi is no weechat |
| 06:57.20 | debianoob | tbs i on webochat |
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| 07:12.14 | debianoob | i would like to install kde, i do not have xorg yet... what is the correct command to pull everything i need for kde+compiz? |
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| 07:13.48 | debianoob | yum ... |
| 07:14.02 | debianoob | "kde Desktop... |
| 07:15.19 | debianoob | aptitude install kde4 |
| 07:15.48 | debianoob | i think i have xorg first.. |
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| 07:17.35 | debianoob | anyone want to help me instal kde or no |
| 07:17.59 | debianoob | it cant be that simple |
| 07:18.02 | Dewi | !install kde |
| 07:18.02 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4>. |
| 07:18.20 | Dewi | debianoob: anything bigger than kdebase installs Xorg if necessary, iirc |
| 07:18.23 | debianoob | hmm ok.. thanks!! :D |
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| 07:19.19 | debianoob | you rock ty |
| 07:19.54 | debianoob | kde or gnome |
| 07:20.01 | debianoob | i dont mind.. |
| 07:20.19 | debianoob | which has most 'advanced networking'? |
| 07:20.33 | Dewi | it's very much a personal preference; I prefer gnome |
| 07:20.46 | Dewi | I dunno which has better admin applets |
| 07:21.05 | geekbri | i also prefer gome |
| 07:21.34 | Dewi | debianoob: I'd kind of expect gnome to have more of that kind of user-friendly stuff just because it's default in debian and ubuntu |
| 07:21.47 | debianoob | yes, i alway end up w/gtk :D |
| 07:22.06 | debianoob | thanks |
| 07:22.40 | niklaswe | ello! |
| 07:22.46 | debianoob | sometimes i like blackbox or even wm |
| 07:22.54 | debianoob | hiya! |
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| 07:24.50 | debianoob | ok wiki.debian.org is the place to go? |
| 07:25.02 | debianoob | for documentation? |
| 07:25.38 | debianoob | i am kinda Debian noob |
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| 07:27.00 | debianoob | remember the enlightenment desktop? |
| 07:27.12 | debianoob | wth happen to it? |
| 07:27.27 | GNU\colossus | www.enlightenment.org |
| 07:28.05 | debianoob | made macos x look like win 98 now back in 2001?? |
| 07:28.16 | debianoob | no like 1999 |
| 07:29.00 | debianoob | ok i read up |
| 07:29.21 | debianoob | i liked that desktop it had really cool pager |
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| 07:32.27 | geekbri | i used to use fluxbox and loved it. now i mostly use os x :) |
| 07:33.02 | debianoob | os x is nice |
| 07:34.14 | debianoob | os x gui |
| 07:34.23 | debianoob | os x bsd |
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| 07:35.17 | debianoob | is that on a Mac then geekbri? |
| 07:35.26 | geekbri | yes sir |
| 07:35.33 | debianoob | nm |
| 07:35.41 | debianoob | ok yea |
| 07:36.05 | geekbri | why not try gnome then try kde and just see which you like beter :) |
| 07:36.13 | debianoob | i at one point thought mac os x ran on _any_ |
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| 07:36.31 | debianoob | pc h/w |
| 07:36.55 | debianoob | ofc no but mac os x gui is vn |
| 07:37.20 | debianoob | eh i think... that |
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| 07:37.41 | debianoob | hmm h/o |
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| 07:37.49 | anddam | debianoob: why do you write morse-code stle? |
| 07:38.05 | anddam | s/stle/style/ |
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| 07:38.38 | debianoob | idk hwats the funniest gnome vs kde thread you can think of? |
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| 07:38.46 | debianoob | xD |
| 07:40.43 | debianoob | anddam: i am terrible typist, and i'mlazy? |
| 07:41.20 | debianoob | i'm not sure that is what you mean by 'morse code style' |
| 07:41.57 | debianoob | morse code is not typified by ... |
| 07:41.58 | anddam | you're writing cryptographically, your last sentence apart |
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| 07:42.21 | anddam | that was an analogy, a figure of speech |
| 07:42.42 | geekbri | aka, he was joking |
| 07:43.27 | debianoob | noun ellipsis |
| 07:43.50 | debianoob | ahh, ty |
| 07:43.54 | geekbri | s.o.s. |
| 07:44.00 | debianoob | i stand corrected |
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| 07:45.42 | debianoob | you will need a computer to decipher my 'messages' xD |
| 07:46.37 | debianoob | kde vs gnome hmm |
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| 07:48.33 | debianoob | anddam: ok |
| 07:49.18 | debianoob | anddam: what was an analogy |
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| 07:49.51 | anddam | the morse code as a kind of cryptography |
| 07:50.28 | debianoob | yes they are analogous |
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| 07:50.56 | faheem | i'm considering an upgrade to squeeze. would anyone care to offer anecdotal data on how that upgrade is looking right now? |
| 07:51.03 | debianoob | wait, that is not a word |
| 07:51.40 | debianoob | well at least we are not comparing my writing anymore! |
| 07:52.06 | debianoob | ok maybe we are.. |
| 07:52.08 | anddam | tell faheem -about moving target |
| 07:52.25 | anddam | faheem: I just read that |
| 07:54.12 | debianoob | wow... upgrayyyyyed |
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| 07:54.29 | megana | Hi debian |
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| 07:54.38 | debianoob | is that how it spelled hehe ubuntu distro upgrayeed rocky |
| 07:54.48 | debianoob | hiya! |
| 07:54.57 | megana | if you see a prompt that says boot: |
| 07:54.59 | megana | what do you do??? |
| 07:55.04 | debianoob | eh.. |
| 07:55.10 | debianoob | kneel |
| 07:55.15 | megana | lol |
| 07:55.35 | debianoob | yea i do |
| 07:55.47 | debianoob | it grup message? |
| 07:55.54 | debianoob | grub* |
| 07:55.56 | megana | I tried to hack syslinux onto a usb stick with the debian netinst |
| 07:56.03 | megana | no |
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| 07:56.20 | megana | it's syslinux :D |
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| 07:58.18 | megana | oh neat |
| 07:58.24 | megana | I typed isolinux/isolinux.bin |
| 07:58.31 | megana | but then it said it failed to find the cdrom >_> |
| 07:58.34 | geekbri | success? |
| 07:58.40 | geekbri | : |
| 07:58.42 | megana | :( |
| 07:58.45 | geekbri | :( |
| 07:58.54 | debianoob | okay |
| 07:58.57 | debianoob | boot: |
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| 07:59.01 | kaospctqc | hello, I have a problem involving pam_unix and proftpd. in the file /var/log/auth.log i get session opened and session closed messages, for one user, altho noone is logged in proftpd server atm. These messages come every 5 seconds or so and i can't find the source of the problem |
| 07:59.06 | sweetpi | megana: you either press enter or type a valid boot label (maybe install, or linux) |
| 07:59.14 | debianoob | i would imagine it needs to know partition |
| 07:59.28 | megana | I suppose |
| 07:59.50 | megana | what does it want a cdrom for, that seems silly |
| 07:59.58 | debianoob | where is /boot? |
| 08:00.06 | megana | there is no / |
| 08:00.16 | megana | it's an empty system with no OS or cd player |
| 08:00.59 | debianoob | syslinux is it like a windows program? |
| 08:01.21 | debianoob | 1 sec brb |
| 08:01.28 | debianoob | drink |
| 08:01.29 | megana | it's some kind of boot loader that uses fat32 |
| 08:01.37 | debianoob | yea yea |
| 08:01.44 | megana | so it's good for usb |
| 08:01.45 | debianoob | i remember that ok... hmm |
| 08:01.51 | debianoob | try colinux |
| 08:02.10 | megana | I think the problem is just my approach |
| 08:02.54 | debianoob | ... before that |
| 08:02.57 | debianoob | but |
| 08:03.15 | debianoob | i would maybe try virtualbox or vmware perhaps |
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| 08:04.39 | kaospctqc | any tips would be greatly appreciated |
| 08:05.02 | debianoob | September 15, 2010: Version 0.7.8 with kernel 2.6.33.5 was released. See changelog for specifics |
| 08:05.24 | debianoob | colinux |
| 08:07.03 | debianoob | !next |
| 08:07.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 08:08.51 | kaospctqc | debianoob: hello, do you have any ideea why i would see so many messages in /var/log/auth.log regarding session opened and session closed for a specific user? even if that user is not currently trying to login ? |
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| 08:09.41 | tjack | maybe because of cron? |
| 08:09.44 | sep | kaospctqc, cron perhaps |
| 08:09.45 | debianoob | kaospctqc: hmm, i wouldn't mind seeing a pastebin |
| 08:09.46 | djszapi | How can I just download a binary package with dpkg/apt and not installing that ? |
| 08:09.51 | sep | !win tjack |
| 08:09.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, tjack! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:10.23 | sep | djszapi, apt-get -d |
| 08:10.24 | debianoob | man apt-get? |
| 08:10.36 | debianoob | sry xD |
| 08:10.57 | debianoob | vn |
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| 08:11.23 | kaospctqc | pastebin:> http://pastebin.com/8pKkXEbB |
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| 08:11.54 | debianoob | kaospctqc: ^^ |
| 08:12.04 | kaospctqc | also, there is no crontab for that user |
| 08:12.18 | debianoob | kaospctqc: i dont have tab for names :( |
| 08:12.55 | kaospctqc | debianoob: don't understand what you mean |
| 08:13.28 | debianoob | ok i have hosts file misconfigure |
| 08:15.01 | megana | lame |
| 08:15.02 | megana | now it says |
| 08:15.19 | megana | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to munt root fs on unknown-block |
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| 08:15.44 | djszapi | sep: thank you. |
| 08:15.44 | debianoob | sry hosts had pastebin.com in there im on webchat.freenode |
| 08:15.54 | debianoob | i bbl |
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| 08:17.48 | debianoob | ok what was that pastebin |
| 08:18.08 | megana | no? |
| 08:18.18 | debianoob | pls, repost |
| 08:19.49 | debianoob | i am almost done w/ Debian install |
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| 08:20.47 | debianoob | it is tought o decide between the gnome nad the kde |
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| 08:21.57 | debianoob | kde has more desktop themes? |
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| 08:22.40 | debianoob | is that the main diff? |
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| 08:25.19 | debianoob | e17 ok i see it exists anyone use it on Debian? |
| 08:26.19 | debianoob | i liked that one |
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| 08:27.22 | HackeMate | hello, my ssh client doesn't send keep-alive or I believe that's the reason because i get timeout |
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| 08:27.40 | HackeMate | I tried to set up ServerAliveInternal |
| 08:27.43 | HackeMate | but still fail |
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| 08:28.32 | debianoob | man sshd |
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| 08:28.46 | HackeMate | debianoob: I already have read that manual |
| 08:28.49 | HackeMate | that's why i came here |
| 08:28.57 | debianoob | hmm |
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| 08:30.16 | debianoob | openssh is open bsd |
| 08:30.35 | debianoob | is there #openbsd? |
| 08:31.18 | debianoob | ack you have to register.. |
| 08:31.19 | vtts | HackeMate, doesn't TCPKeepAlive option work for you? |
| 08:31.55 | HackeMate | vtts: I tried that option too following some tutorial, but I believe i have an old ssh installed |
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| 08:31.59 | HackeMate | I'm on squeeze |
| 08:32.12 | debianoob | i _have actually_ used that option w/sucess btw |
| 08:32.27 | debianoob | not worky? |
| 08:32.40 | vtts | HackeMate, squeeze should give fairly recent ssh client version |
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| 08:33.00 | debianoob | log file? |
| 08:33.10 | vtts | HackeMate, maybe problem is not in the keepalive? |
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| 08:33.29 | HackeMate | but if I'm using the ssh I dont get kicked out |
| 08:33.31 | HackeMate | is just when idle |
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| 08:33.40 | debianoob | some find command :D |
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| 08:34.01 | debianoob | look in logs? |
| 08:34.19 | vtts | HackeMate, then TCPKeepAlive should work for you, you could check if it's working with tcpdump on a side |
| 08:34.21 | debianoob | firewalled? |
| 08:34.34 | HackeMate | vtts: ok, i'll try it now |
| 08:34.35 | debianoob | norton o.0 |
| 08:34.44 | HackeMate | debianoob: stop kidding |
| 08:34.50 | debianoob | lol |
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| 08:35.41 | debianoob | ssh connections die? |
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| 08:35.56 | debianoob | are you just ssh or tunneling |
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| 08:36.34 | debianoob | keepalive option on sshd |
| 08:36.43 | debianoob | works a treat |
| 08:37.06 | vtts | HackeMate, ssh -o TCPKeepAlive=yes -o ServerAliveInterval=5 example.com |
| 08:37.22 | debianoob | ok its client option? |
| 08:37.27 | debianoob | hmm |
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| 08:37.44 | HackeMate | lol at tcpdump, great tool, I didn't knew it |
| 08:37.56 | cthulu | hi, I am trying to setup a hosting server with vhosts/vmail, what is the best way to handle the mail part in debian? |
| 08:38.12 | debianoob | hmm |
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| 08:38.32 | debianoob | mailin debian idk is it sendmail? |
| 08:38.51 | cthulu | thats the default |
| 08:38.57 | Bushmills | "best" ?? many people use postfix+dovecot. |
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| 08:39.13 | cthulu | im thinking postfix+courier+mysql for user accounts |
| 08:39.26 | cthulu | can you recommend any guides |
| 08:39.27 | vtts | cthulu, that should work ok |
| 08:39.28 | Bushmills | debian default is exim |
| 08:40.19 | debianoob | http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.55/htmldoc/Chapter4.html#S4.13.4 |
| 08:40.41 | debianoob | putty keep alive |
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| 08:42.28 | debianoob | exim? |
| 08:42.34 | debianoob | yes |
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| 08:43.07 | debianoob | postfix/dovecot/clamav |
| 08:43.11 | cthulu | my question is more how to handle user accounts in this situation, as some may only have sftp access, some may need shell access, and some just get email accounts |
| 08:43.13 | nsadmin | cthulu do you know all three? |
| 08:43.26 | debianoob | postfixadmin |
| 08:43.46 | cthulu | nsadmin, ive setup all of them in the past, yes |
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| 08:44.05 | debianoob | idk i made that up[ |
| 08:44.09 | Bushmills | postfix allows for virtual mailboxes. dovecot can read from those |
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| 08:44.28 | cthulu | is dovecot like courier? |
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| 08:45.21 | Bushmills | for the users in /etc/passwd, mail goes to /var/mail spool. no, not quite. is "just" IMAP and POP3 server |
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| 08:45.45 | kevin01123 | Anyone unable to load kernel modules on the debian squeeze live cd? |
| 08:46.13 | debianoob | havent tried... |
| 08:46.24 | Bushmills | between sftp and shell account users should be no difference |
| 08:46.35 | debianoob | what is |
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| 08:46.51 | debianoob | what is the sid kernel |
| 08:47.03 | Alexander | when picked up openvpn tunnel, I fall ppp0, but the tunnel is working and Inet goes through this tunnel .. I would like to return ppp0 |
| 08:47.03 | cthulu | well the only difference would be the group the users were in in their sshd_config file |
| 08:47.06 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.27 | Bushmills | or scponly as shell |
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| 08:47.48 | cthulu | basically, when a user has a shell they can browse a lot of the system, but when I give them a chroot'd sftp session as their login, they can only access their home directories and cant see the rest of the system |
| 08:48.15 | kevin01123 | Has anyone successfully installed squeeze from the testing installer iso? |
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| 08:48.36 | debianoob | Alexander: are you trying to do ppp over vpn? |
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| 08:49.14 | nsadmin | kevin01123, you're going about this inquiry in reverse... tell what is going on for you instead |
| 08:49.21 | Bushmills | "fall ppp0" means what? |
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| 08:49.36 | debianoob | open vpn must be close in version on either end, and make sure to configure each side proper |
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| 08:50.40 | debianoob | kevin, anyone? |
| 08:51.00 | debianoob | did you do md5sum check? |
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| 08:52.10 | Bushmills | "like to return ppp0" to result in what? |
| 08:52.46 | vtts | kevin01123, I have multiple times |
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| 08:58.45 | Bushmills | sorry, Alexander, i don't operate a free private consultancy service on IRC. You ask in channel, I may reply or not in channel, or somebody else may do. |
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| 09:04.20 | xaxes_ | hey folks |
| 09:04.57 | Seb | morning |
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| 09:05.22 | xaxes_ | I have a problem with ati video driver.. I downloaded the latest for radeon mobil hd 3400 .. I got a dual-head with xinerama working.. but it's sooo slowly.. I guess the driver isnt properly working.. any idea what steps could me help fixing that stuff? |
| 09:05.33 | D4rKr0W | mhm, how does one restart the whole courier package? |
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| 09:06.08 | D4rKr0W | i just updated openssl, checkrestart tells me /usr/bin/couriertls needs to be restarted, but i don't have a clue how i should do that |
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| 09:07.02 | xaxes_ | maybe there is a script in /etc/init.d/ .. otherwise killall -9 couriertls && /usr/bin/courierutils .. @ D4rKr0W |
| 09:08.09 | D4rKr0W | xaxes_: unfortunately there's no specific script for that binary, and i dont seem to be able to start it with just that command, i think its a binary which is being used by other processes |
| 09:08.35 | D4rKr0W | any way i can look up what happens in bootstrap so i can reproduce it? |
| 09:08.55 | xaxes_ | read initscripts ,) |
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| 09:09.05 | xaxes_ | or just lsof /usr/bin/courierutils |
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| 09:10.57 | aLemmer | Hey, I'm having troubles with NDISWrapper. |
| 09:11.09 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:11.18 | nsadmin | I'm having a coffee |
| 09:11.35 | aLemmer | I can't seem to install the module. |
| 09:11.42 | D4rKr0W | xaxes_: never had to look at the init scripts, is there a particular file where theyre stored? |
| 09:11.43 | nsadmin | oh... details... ok, the beans were ground at #4 |
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| 09:11.58 | nsadmin | aLemmer, why? |
| 09:12.24 | nsadmin | D4rKr0W, look in /etc/init.d |
| 09:12.45 | xaxes_ | D4rKr0W: grep "couriertls" -i -r /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:12.58 | xaxes_ | restart wmii * |
| 09:13.22 | aLemmer | Just a sec'. |
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| 09:14.23 | dokma | what will be faster on 2 servers in the same datacenter dd if=/dev/hda | gzip | ssh | gunzip | dd of=/dev/sda or without gzip ??? |
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| 09:14.55 | Seb | dokma: that'd depend on your cpu power and data transfer rates, of course |
| 09:15.11 | D4rKr0W | i think its more of an issue about how many files there are and how big they are |
| 09:15.12 | dokma | Seb: the sender is 2.6GHz P4 |
| 09:15.21 | Seb | dokma: run the test by replacing /dev/hda with a much smaller file, and see |
| 09:15.27 | dokma | so it's not an obvious answer... |
| 09:15.32 | D4rKr0W | nope |
| 09:15.33 | Seb | definitely noty |
| 09:15.35 | Seb | not* |
| 09:15.41 | dokma | I understand |
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| 09:15.48 | dokma | I'll try a small file |
| 09:15.54 | Seb | D4rKr0W: dd on /dev/hda certianly doesn't care about files or directories or their sizes |
| 09:16.00 | dokma | will dd print out any info on the speed? |
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| 09:16.44 | Seb | dokma: better to time(1) the whole thing I'd say |
| 09:17.01 | dokma | Seb: ahhh... of course |
| 09:17.03 | dokma | that's it |
| 09:17.03 | nsadmin | without gzip/gunzip |
| 09:17.04 | dokma | thanks |
| 09:17.11 | dokma | nsadmin: you sure? |
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| 09:17.18 | D4rKr0W | Seb: the transfer rate does :p |
| 09:17.37 | Seb | D4rKr0W: no, it's a continuous read from a block device |
| 09:17.44 | nsadmin | well hmm, actually there's two issues here, cpu time and transfer |
| 09:18.00 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:18.12 | dokma | just copy one machine to another |
| 09:18.26 | dokma | enlarge the partitions and continue with the new machine |
| 09:18.35 | nsadmin | that would be one way |
| 09:18.41 | nsadmin | how many partitions? |
| 09:18.45 | dokma | 2 |
| 09:18.50 | dokma | main and swap |
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| 09:19.21 | nsadmin | ok, what you could do is, go into single user mode, then run something like... |
| 09:19.40 | dokma | it's a machine in datacenter |
| 09:19.47 | dokma | I access it via ssh |
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| 09:20.25 | nsadmin | hmm. so you want to copy a local to a remote? |
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| 09:20.42 | dokma | remote to remote |
| 09:20.54 | dokma | it's a datacenter switch to a new machine |
| 09:20.59 | dokma | done by me remotely from home |
| 09:21.23 | nsadmin | within the same data center? |
| 09:21.40 | nsadmin | or two different ones? |
| 09:22.06 | dokma | same dc |
| 09:22.54 | dokma | I guess that would probably make the transfer high enough to make direct copy without compression faster |
| 09:23.28 | nsadmin | if you use gzip, it will do much better with the text files and not so good with things like binary executables |
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| 09:24.11 | dokma | it's a mix... |
| 09:24.19 | dokma | but I guess a majority are weblogs |
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| 09:24.27 | dokma | so gzip might contribute quite a bit |
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| 09:25.17 | subsu | I have a package that I've built myself, how do I prevent apt from upgrading it with the one in the repositories? |
| 09:25.49 | peterrooney | subsu: give it a different name? ^_~ |
| 09:25.56 | Seb | echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:25.57 | peterrooney | subsu: look into apt pinning |
| 09:26.02 | Seb | subsu: ^^^ |
| 09:26.18 | Seb | nah, "hold" is especially for that |
| 09:26.40 | subsu | As I understand it pinning is for different repositories? |
| 09:26.44 | Seb | possibly it's "echo hold package", I can never remember |
| 09:26.46 | Seb | subsu: yep |
| 09:26.59 | Seb | subsu: although you can achieve what you want, but it's not exactly straightforward |
| 09:27.06 | subsu | ah, dpkg --set-selections seems to be what I want |
| 09:27.11 | Seb | indeed it is |
| 09:27.14 | subsu | super |
| 09:27.17 | subsu | thanks alot |
| 09:27.20 | Seb | np |
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| 09:42.06 | PeteB | Hi. Is it possible to use the Debian Installer to setup a system with RAID1, with 1 disk, because you want to add the 2nd disk later? |
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| 11:18.04 | cast | where would one look if they're interested in the size of a squeeze mirror? |
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| 11:37.24 | cusco | hi |
| 11:37.33 | cusco | I'm going to use software raid for the first time |
| 11:37.41 | cusco | I'm seeng that option in debian installer |
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| 11:38.00 | cusco | do I need to partition one of the disks first?? |
| 11:38.34 | tjack | You need to setup a RAID partition first |
| 11:38.48 | tjack | and after that, you can create partitions in this RAID partition |
| 11:38.55 | tjack | err wrong |
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| 11:39.10 | tjack | mh, I can't remember exactly |
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| 11:39.58 | tjack | ah |
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| 11:40.02 | tjack | create a partition |
| 11:40.21 | tjack | and in the field "use as" you have to select "physical volume for RAID" |
| 11:40.29 | tjack | during the creation process |
| 11:41.07 | tjack | do this on each disk, and after you finished there will be a new option in the menu: Configure Software RAID |
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| 11:43.47 | eshat | Hi all, I have a users E-Mail in mbox format and want to migrate it to our IMAP Server. Didn't find a tool for that direction, any ideas ? |
| 11:44.08 | eshat | by E-Mail I mean the whole E-mail directory with folders, etc. |
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| 11:44.33 | abrotman | eshat: not related .. mbox is storage, IMAP is access protocol |
| 11:44.42 | abrotman | eshat: you mean you want to move mbox to maildir? |
| 11:44.50 | abrotman | (you can have mbox and IMAP) |
| 11:45.06 | cusco | ok tjack thanks |
| 11:45.20 | tjack | cusco: you're welcome :) |
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| 11:47.57 | abrotman | eshat: ? |
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| 11:49.24 | sacredchao | What is a good way to schedule a command to run after a specific PID terminates? |
| 11:49.27 | eshat | abrotman: sorry, had to work |
| 11:49.45 | eshat | abrotman: yes I want to migrate a mbox to our IMAP Server |
| 11:49.54 | eshat | the iMAP server uses dovecot |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | eshat: still not making sense |
| 11:50.07 | eshat | so I think it is maildir formayt |
| 11:50.10 | eshat | *format |
| 11:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | program_with_PID; command |
| 11:50.12 | abrotman | judd: info mb2md --release lenny |
| 11:50.15 | judd | Package mb2md (net, optional) in lenny/i386: Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format. Version: 3.20-4; Size: 23.4k; Installed: 112k |
| 11:50.32 | abrotman | eshat: never used it, test first |
| 11:50.36 | eshat | abrotman: I will check that, thank you |
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| 11:52.33 | stew | eshat: although I'd still encourage you to switch to maildir, dovecot can also use mbox |
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| 11:54.15 | abrotman | IMAP + mbox is just painful |
| 11:54.23 | abrotman | well .. mboxis just painful |
| 11:54.45 | stew | i agree |
| 11:54.52 | stew | mboxis |
| 11:55.00 | cusco | tjack: just to be sure: I create a partition on each disk to use as physical volume dor raid |
| 11:55.13 | cusco | but say I have 2 disks and I wanto to strype |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | cut me some slack, haven't put my eyeballs in yet :) |
| 11:55.19 | cusco | I create only one partition oneach disk |
| 11:55.29 | stew | aye |
| 11:55.31 | tjack | cusco: That is correkt |
| 11:55.34 | cusco | and then I partition the raid'ed volume? |
| 11:55.43 | cusco | for wap /home etv |
| 11:55.52 | cusco | swap, home, etc |
| 11:55.53 | cusco | ok |
| 11:55.57 | tjack | no |
| 11:56.28 | tjack | If you want to have different partitions for /home/ / swap etc. then you have to create 3 partitions (in this example) |
| 11:57.11 | cusco | ah... |
| 11:57.14 | tjack | but always select the use as "physical volume for raid" |
| 11:57.20 | cusco | ok |
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| 11:58.04 | tjack | and then you can select in the RAID setup the partitions (make sure to use the correct ones) |
| 11:58.36 | zaarg | has anyone tried using an nntp server for i.e. receiving server logs/errors/etc? |
| 11:58.39 | zaarg | bad idea/good idea? |
| 11:59.02 | tjack | cusco: e.g. when you create your first RAID partition in the RAID setup then you probably want to use /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
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| 12:00.01 | ubiquitous1980 | how to install the spacefun theme in squeeze? |
| 12:00.03 | xaxes_ | hey it's me again .. I tried upgrading from lenny to squeeze.. but calling apt-get upgrade after the first upgrade, there are many many packages that "are kept back".. what can I do to upgrade them too? |
| 12:00.06 | brontosaurusrex | oh god, debian installs automagically things like pidgin? |
| 12:00.32 | brontosaurusrex | or should i have selected base system at install? |
| 12:00.42 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: yes |
| 12:01.12 | brontosaurusrex | base system is what? any window manager? |
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| 12:01.38 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: No, the base system does not come with X or a WM. What do you want? |
| 12:01.52 | brontosaurusrex | babilen, a very basic desktop |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: if you choose the Desktop task, you get a lot of stuff |
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| 12:02.16 | abrotman | xaxes_: did you try a full-upgrade ? |
| 12:02.39 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: Easiest way to achieve that is to install one of the lighter Gnome meta-packages like "gnome-core" or "gnome-desktop-environment" and then remove the heavy "gnome" metapackage |
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| 12:04.05 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: In a nutshell: "aptitude install gnome-core" "aptitude remove gnome" -- gnome-core is the bare-essential Gnome package and gnome-desktop-environment comes with a bit more. You can see what is going to be installed/kept when you issue "apt-cache depends gnome-core" |
| 12:04.16 | xaxes_ | abrotman: thanks :) that will do the nasty work ^^ thansk :) |
| 12:04.34 | cusco | babilen: then apt-get autoremove :) |
| 12:04.41 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: If you want to keep specific packages you have to mark them as *not* automatically installed by issuing "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" |
| 12:04.54 | brontosaurusrex | babilen, i'am happy with full gnome, only i cant live with openoffice and stuff like that, thanks |
| 12:04.56 | babilen | cusco: aptitude will do that |
| 12:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg! |
| 12:05.08 | cusco | sorry, I thought I read apt |
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| 12:05.34 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: I would install the "gnome-desktop-environment" package then and start from there |
| 12:06.18 | brontosaurusrex | babilen, ok, thanks |
| 12:07.08 | stew | brontosaurusrex: you'll definately want the xorg package as well |
| 12:07.09 | ubiquitous1980 | does anyone know how to get the new spacefun theme in squeeze? |
| 12:08.00 | brontosaurusrex | stew, ok, noted |
| 12:08.45 | brontosaurusrex | i'll wait and see how this full desktop turns out 1st |
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| 12:09.14 | cusco | tjack: Im sorry to bugyou, but I select sda1 to go with sdb1 (assuming that all 3 partitions have the same geometryon 2nd disk) right? |
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| 12:09.36 | cusco | its stating "unusable partition" |
| 12:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at stew... and finally decides to silently replace an a with an i |
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| 12:10.26 | stew | i definitely misspell that word routinely. it drives mrs. stew nutz |
| 12:11.38 | tjack | cusco: I assue you create on DISK 1 a partition |
| 12:12.00 | tjack | then on DISK 2 a partition with the same size |
| 12:12.09 | cusco | tjack: correct |
| 12:12.21 | tjack | first partition should be called sda1 then |
| 12:12.27 | cusco | correct |
| 12:12.27 | tjack | and the second one sdb1 |
| 12:12.33 | cusco | correct |
| 12:12.37 | tjack | mh |
| 12:13.00 | tjack | what did you select in "use as" |
| 12:13.04 | cusco | even the geometry is the same looking at fdisk -l |
| 12:13.12 | cusco | yes raid |
| 12:13.12 | tjack | hm |
| 12:13.22 | tjack | then it should work |
| 12:13.28 | cusco | they're available to choose from software raid when I choose "#create md device" |
| 12:13.44 | tjack | yeah, you have to create a md device |
| 12:13.50 | cusco | after I select both sda1 abd sdb1, on tty I see "unknown partition table" |
| 12:13.54 | cusco | md0 |
| 12:14.12 | cusco | md0: unknown partition table |
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| 12:14.30 | tjack | but you can continue with the installer? |
| 12:14.44 | Tommy_DO | Hi! Is there a way to use different locales in ttys and gui-environments? |
| 12:15.06 | cusco | I see zone ofsset 0, offset 0 size:xxxx \\ md0 detected capacity to change from 0 to xxx |
| 12:15.13 | cusco | thn |
| 12:15.26 | cusco | tjack: no |
| 12:15.35 | cusco | but I can, Im just trying to be caucious |
| 12:15.51 | cusco | ok let me still create md1 and md2 |
| 12:15.58 | tjack | just do it |
| 12:16.14 | tjack | because you still have to create a file system on these devices |
| 12:16.44 | tjack | and then you have to save all this and after the kernel rereads the partition table it should all be fine |
| 12:16.46 | cusco | speaking of which.. is ext4 ready for deployment? |
| 12:17.11 | cusco | tjack: ok... thanks for patience dude |
| 12:17.22 | tjack | well, depens on the version |
| 12:17.32 | cusco | testing |
| 12:18.08 | cusco | ok now this is weird |
| 12:18.12 | cusco | in the partition menu |
| 12:18.14 | tjack | I am not aware if ext4 will be default in squeeze but it's worth a shot |
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| 12:18.55 | cusco | its not.. but wait.. |
| 12:19.30 | cusco | how do I create a filesystem? do I need to mk2fs /dev/md0 ? the partition menu is weird now |
| 12:19.51 | tjack | well, you should be ablte to do this in the installer |
| 12:20.02 | cusco | shows the partitions (doubled sized) with 512 unusable on each.. |
| 12:20.10 | cusco | but how do I chose what is /home and swap |
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| 12:20.22 | tjack | but yes, mk2fs.ext4 /dev/md0 |
| 12:20.52 | cusco | I guess I could but I would prefer going trough the installer |
| 12:20.55 | tjack | mh, it is a long time ago I did this, but somewhere you should be able to partition the md0 devices |
| 12:20.59 | vtts | cusco, press enter on partition in the isntaller and it will give you a choice |
| 12:21.19 | vtts | or in your case, raid device instead of partition |
| 12:21.21 | tjack | I think you have to go to the top of the partition menu |
| 12:21.41 | tjack | and there you will see the md0, md1 devices and so on like vtts said |
| 12:21.51 | cusco | ah! |
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| 12:22.02 | cusco | not quite but yea |
| 12:22.39 | cusco | say, should I have / and /home both as ext4? |
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| 12:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | we can't say, it's all up to you! |
| 12:23.08 | cusco | yea.. sorry |
| 12:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit like asking "should I buy a red or a blue car" |
| 12:24.06 | cusco | lol |
| 12:24.12 | cusco | Im just afraind of ext4 :P |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | then don't use it ? |
| 12:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, seems simple enough |
| 12:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got nothing to fear but fear itself... |
| 12:25.08 | cusco | hehe |
| 12:25.22 | jelly | cusco: how often do you check your backup's working? |
| 12:25.23 | cusco | now this flag "f" shows up |
| 12:25.32 | cusco | should have a b for bootable |
| 12:26.25 | cusco | how do i mark a partition as bootable? |
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| 12:26.37 | cusco | ok writting partitions |
| 12:26.44 | cusco | sorry to bother you folks |
| 12:26.45 | cusco | and thanks |
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| 12:52.25 | jelly | cusco: flags on the DOS MBR partition table format are useless from a Linux standpoint, especially useless if you install some typical linux boot loader in the mbr |
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| 12:56.28 | cusco_ | sorry computer crashed |
| 12:56.34 | cusco_ | I noticed a hilight tho |
| 12:56.52 | cusco_ | should grub be installed on /dev/sda or /dev/md0 ? |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | your computer crashed when you got highlighted? |
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| 12:58.02 | cusco_ | err... I was ssh'ing to work |
| 12:58.11 | tjack | cusco_: /dev/sda and /dev/sdb (do it for /dev/sdb manually later) |
| 12:58.12 | cusco_ | and computer at work crashed.. it crashes sometimes dunno why |
| 12:58.27 | cusco_ | ok tjack thanks |
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| 13:03.26 | konraddo | hi, i have a problem with debian and ATI, i used this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo but it didn't work, so I installed drivers from ATI website and now when i'm booting debian, screen goes blank |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | for which video card? |
| 13:05.04 | konraddo | HD3870 |
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| 13:08.12 | konraddo | any idea? |
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| 13:11.55 | konraddo | ;> |
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| 13:15.50 | [4-tea-2] | Howdy. Question about apt-pinning: sources.list has lenny, squeeze, sid. If I add a high-prio entry for "oldstable" (no etch in sources.list!), will that prevent an upgrade from lenny to squeeze once squeeze is released? |
| 13:17.09 | [4-tea-2] | I should add: I have entries for stable (highest prio), testing and unstable (lowest priority) in /etc/apt/preferences. |
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| 13:18.41 | [4-tea-2] | ...and I want to avoid having an unattended (or mass-) apt-get upgrade inadvertently upgrading the machine to a new release. |
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| 13:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | [4-tea-2], just write "lenny" instead of "stable" |
| 13:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny will always stay lenny, only stable will point to squeeze after it became stable |
| 13:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | [4-tea-2], you should also /msg dpkg mixing |
| 13:24.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lameometer [4-tea-2] |
| 13:24.26 | dpkg | '[4-tea-2]' is 41.000% lame, cutmeownthroat |
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| 13:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | too low! |
| 13:25.05 | [4-tea-2] | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny, squeeze etc. are not allowed in apt/preferences, but thanks for your advice. |
| 13:25.24 | Seb | [4-tea-2]: just s/stable/lenny/ in your sources.list |
| 13:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | [4-tea-2], I meant write "lenny" in your sources.list |
| 13:26.15 | [4-tea-2] | I guess I wasn't able to make my point. I'll try again once I know how I created that misunderstanding. |
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| 13:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | [4-tea-2], and your preferences mirror what you have in sources.list, that's why you can't write lenny when your sources.list containst "stable" |
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| 13:26.40 | [4-tea-2] | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not true. |
| 13:27.01 | [4-tea-2] | CutMeOwnThroat: you can have lenny in sources.list and stable in preferences, and it will work fine. |
| 13:27.19 | [4-tea-2] | You just can't have lenny or the other "nicknames" in preferences. |
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| 13:28.18 | [4-tea-2] | There's no need to match sources.list and preferences because apt is smart enough to find out that lenny is (currently) stable. ;) |
| 13:28.26 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: Check "man apt_preferences" section "Tracking the evolution of a codename release" |
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| 13:28.40 | [4-tea-2] | babilen: thanks, will do |
| 13:29.11 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: yes, but you wanted to be safe in case "stable" does *not* refers to Lenny anymore after the release of Squeeze or wasn't that the problem? |
| 13:29.29 | [4-tea-2] | babilen: I don't have that section in my man page (yet). *sigh* |
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| 13:30.09 | [4-tea-2] | babilen: does your man page recommend to add a high priority "oldstable", by any chance? (That was my original question.) |
| 13:30.10 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: Ah, might have been added in the Squeeze version. Sorry for pointing you to Squeeze resources. |
| 13:30.39 | [4-tea-2] | babilen: no problem, I'll check on a squeeze system. |
| 13:30.41 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: no |
| 13:31.17 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt_preferences&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+squeeze&format=html&locale=en |
| 13:31.19 | [4-tea-2] | Hmmm. Is "release n=$name" a new feature in squeeze? |
| 13:31.35 | [4-tea-2] | I'll see if it works for me on lenny. |
| 13:32.06 | kevke | I am triing to do apt-get install php5-xsl and end up with Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) Any ideas how i can convince my server to do this? |
| 13:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; in apt.conf and it works fine - I did use stable/testing though on the machine I'm pinning... |
| 13:32.18 | [4-tea-2] | Nope, according to apt-cache policy, n=$name doesN't work on lenny yet. |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | kevke: dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 13:33.23 | kevke | does not help, or say anything |
| 13:33.29 | [4-tea-2] | CutMeOwnThroat: that might work, I'm going to try that, thanks. |
| 13:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't have Default-Release together with pinning rules |
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| 13:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the pinning overrule it as they're read later (and the Default-Release setting is also just a set of pinning rules, kind of put together in a pack) |
| 13:34.55 | babilen | [4-tea-2]: yeah, but setting the default release accepts "lenny", "squeeze", "sid", ... |
| 13:35.14 | kevke | would it help to stop apache beforhands? |
| 13:35.15 | babilen | s/but// |
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| 13:37.32 | n0xie | hmm damnit |
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| 13:37.35 | thomasfuston | ^^ |
| 13:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what nit? |
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| 13:38.58 | kevke | Nope, didn't help |
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| 13:39.50 | Soothsayer | i just finished installing a dedicated server and i've done a lot of installs, etc |
| 13:40.08 | Soothsayer | now I want to save an image of this entire OS setup so i can use it on maybe a new server i buy or some day in future if i want to format |
| 13:40.11 | Soothsayer | what's a good way to do this ? |
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| 13:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar? |
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| 13:40.57 | Soothsayer | CutMeOwnThroat: tar what? the entire / ? |
| 13:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes.. or use something like a special clone cd... wossname |
| 13:42.45 | tjack | Soothsayer: I do it like this |
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| 13:43.16 | tjack | tar -czf - --exclude=/dev/* --exclude=/lost+found/* --exclude=/media/* --exclude=/mnt/* --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/tmp/* --exclude=/var/run/* / | ssh user@host "cat > /folder/vserver-$(date +%d-%m-%y_%H-%M).tar.gz" |
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| 13:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that of course means you have to make it bootable afterwards... but is most flexible and space-efficient |
| 13:44.21 | Guest76815 | hi, I want to install debian on one off my PCs and the CD-rom is broken, so can anyone help me create a bootalble USB flash drive under windows pls! |
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| 13:44.32 | Soothsayer | tjack: hmm looks good, trying ot understand it |
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| 13:44.45 | cusco | tjack: sorry i wasn't here.. not finished yet! grub installer fails to install on /dev/sda |
| 13:44.45 | Soothsayer | cool |
| 13:44.48 | Soothsayer | looks good :) |
| 13:45.09 | tjack | Soothsayer: Maybe you need to adjust it to your needs |
| 13:45.12 | cusco | manually it states "unknown filesystem" as it does with md0 |
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| 13:45.35 | tjack | cusco: Hmm...let me think about this. |
| 13:45.41 | Soothsayer | tjack: so in case things go wrong.. or i get a new server |
| 13:45.44 | Soothsayer | i should just install debian min |
| 13:45.47 | Soothsayer | and then untar this whole thing ? |
| 13:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Soothsayer about clonezilla |
| 13:46.05 | cusco | perhaps I should have a /boot partition not in raid? |
| 13:46.21 | ashmael | or at least guide me to a site where they show how to do it? |
| 13:46.22 | cusco | Im going to check in grub cli |
| 13:46.35 | tjack | Soothsayer: If you untar this to / you will get a whole working system...you just need to setup grub and create the missing folders like /proc /sys etc... |
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| 13:46.56 | tjack | cusco: What is the exact error? |
| 13:47.15 | dokma | hey guys... after I finished the raw copy the server has no connectivity when I boot it |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | !tell dokma about 70 |
| 13:47.47 | Soothsayer | tjack: hmm.. since i get all dedicated servers already preinstalled with debian min |
| 13:47.54 | Soothsayer | will an untar over-write all files successfully ? |
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| 13:48.03 | tjack | Soothsayer: Yes. |
| 13:48.20 | Soothsayer | isn't there the concept of certain files beign locked or presently used by the system ? |
| 13:48.27 | Soothsayer | im sorry if that sounds 'windows' like :P |
| 13:48.27 | cusco | tjack: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem |
| 13:48.33 | dokma | abrotman: you'll have to elaborate that a bit |
| 13:48.40 | cusco | autodetection of a filesystem module failed |
| 13:48.45 | dokma | I did a raw copy and want to preserve the old ip |
| 13:48.49 | cusco | tjack: tells me to specify --modules option |
| 13:48.49 | kevke | any idea about my issue |
| 13:48.52 | tjack | Soothsayer: Erm, I think it is the best you check out the manpage of untar, you will finde your answers there |
| 13:48.58 | dokma | they rerouted old ip to the new machine |
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| 13:50.19 | tjack | cusco: Hmm. Is /boot mounted? |
| 13:50.48 | tjack | cusco: I mean are in this moment at least one kernel in this directory available? |
| 13:51.08 | cusco | tjack: like this http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/04/msg00168.html |
| 13:51.22 | cusco | tjack: yea the bood folder is in /target |
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| 13:51.25 | cusco | boot |
| 13:51.36 | cusco | yes there is |
| 13:52.10 | dokma | anyone knows how to get dmesg of the boot before the last one? |
| 13:52.40 | tjack | cusco: Maybe it is a "testing" problem? |
| 13:52.50 | petemc | dokma: looked in /var/log/ ? |
| 13:52.50 | cusco | gah! |
| 13:53.06 | abrotman | dokma: the bot told you ? |
| 13:53.22 | dokma | petemc: did - thanks |
| 13:53.33 | dokma | abrotman: I didn't get almost any of that |
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| 13:53.43 | tjack | cusco: At least you have to install grub von sda and sdb |
| 13:53.48 | dokma | why would I need 'statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address' |
| 13:53.53 | tjack | cusco: if sda dies, you still have grub on sdb |
| 13:54.32 | nsadmin | dokma: you want your interface names to change every boot, or atleast every time you add hardware? |
| 13:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Soothsayer, use that CD for a less hands-on approach... it's able to recreate all partitions on a disk on a new one |
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| 13:55.13 | dokma | nsadmin: I don't want interface names to change at all |
| 13:55.16 | cusco | tjack: im using stripe, so if a disk dies grub is the least of my problems |
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| 13:55.30 | dokma | I just want eth0 up and running on the new machine and thats it |
| 13:55.41 | tjack | cusco: ah okay, I thought it is a RAID1 or something, sorry my bad ;) |
| 13:56.01 | tjack | cusco: then install it on the disk which is booted first |
| 13:56.04 | cusco | well, it can't find a fs, could ext4 be related? |
| 13:56.16 | dokma | I did a raw copy from old to new with no changes using dd if=/dev/hda => ssh => cat > /dev/sda |
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| 13:56.31 | dokma | then they rerouted the old ip to the new machine |
| 13:56.35 | dokma | gateway is the same |
| 13:56.45 | dokma | but the machine won't come online when I boot normally |
| 13:57.20 | tjack | cusco: oh shit, of course |
| 13:57.29 | tjack | cusco: grub in debian can't handle ext4 :( |
| 13:57.56 | cusco | !!!!!! |
| 13:57.56 | dpkg | from memory, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 13:57.56 | tjack | cusco: only grub2 supports ext4 |
| 13:58.08 | cusco | well its grub2 |
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| 13:58.34 | cusco | (I think) |
| 13:58.35 | tjack | so, I thought you use grub |
| 13:59.23 | tjack | well, if you use grub, then you know what the problem is |
| 13:59.40 | jbee | hey there. i think i messed up my server install. aptitude install wants to remove 146 pkgs. is there some metapackage that would save me things like openssh-server from being deinstalled? |
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| 14:00.36 | cusco | yea its grub2 testing uses grub2 |
| 14:00.48 | cusco | and I checked |
| 14:00.48 | kraehe_ | moin - does anyone know what kernel netinst 32 uses - or why it does not detect/accept my marvel/yukon sky2 ethernet card? |
| 14:00.53 | abrotman | dokma: empty the contents of the file it told you about |
| 14:01.15 | dokma | abrotman: I just tried editing it and putting the correct mac in it |
| 14:01.20 | Soothsayer | tjack: when you do a .... tar -czf - --exclude=/dev/* - |
| 14:01.27 | Soothsayer | the output is directly displayed on screen ? |
| 14:01.29 | dokma | so it works if I just delete the content of it? |
| 14:01.36 | abrotman | dokma: just remove the contents ... it will recreate it correctly |
| 14:01.39 | Soothsayer | which you are pipelining through ssh to another server? |
| 14:01.51 | dokma | abrotman: ok thanks mate! |
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| 14:01.53 | kraehe_ | i can boot netinst over network (pxe/dhcp/tfpt) but then netinst does not recocnise the network card |
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| 14:02.12 | abrotman | hehe .. i'm a mate! |
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| 14:02.52 | dokma | yeah... I've seen some petition to get you to some linux conference |
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| 14:03.04 | dokma | seems like you're an ok dude |
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| 14:03.41 | tjack | Soothsayer: I don't see the output on the screen. And I am pipelining the output through SSH to another Server and it is saved on the other server into a file |
| 14:03.42 | nsadmin | dokma, so you're cloning partitions on a new machine with different hardware? |
| 14:04.14 | tjack | Soothsayer: of course you don't need to pipeline it to another server, you can save it on the same host |
| 14:04.36 | Soothsayer | tjack: but im saying, if you weren't pipelining it, the output would appear on screen right ? |
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| 14:05.27 | tjack | Soothsayer: Yes |
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| 14:08.09 | cusco | can't install lilo neither |
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| 14:11.51 | greenmang0 | has anybody installed oracle 10g 64bit on Debian stable 64bit ? |
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| 14:12.31 | greenmang0 | i just downloaded the cpio tarball ... but when i try to run installer it says install/.oui no such file or directory... but the file exists and it's a 32-bit executable |
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| 14:15.33 | abrotman | greenmang0: run ldd on it .. might have some libraries linked tha toyu need 32bit versoins of |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | yes, my keyboard is broken! |
| 14:15.53 | nsadmin | jbee, you'll want to find out why it's doing that... perhaps because you're mixing two different versions of debian |
| 14:16.56 | greenmang0 | abrotman: it says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 14:17.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | what is it then? |
| 14:17.18 | jbee | nsadmin: no, i'm not. fixed it by reinstalling all pkgs it wanted to be removed. |
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| 14:17.29 | greenmang0 | abrotman: .oui: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped |
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| 14:17.55 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 14:17.58 | vtts | greenmang0, do you know how to use strace? |
| 14:18.18 | greenmang0 | vtts: nope... :( |
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| 14:18.33 | vtts | anyway, give it a try |
| 14:18.46 | vtts | it might tell you what syscall fails |
| 14:18.54 | greenmang0 | vtts: what should i do? strace .oui ? |
| 14:19.20 | nsadmin | jbee, oh, good... so aptitude thought that certain packages you had installed could be removed since you removed the only things that needed them? |
| 14:19.28 | vtts | strace -o install.log install_exec |
| 14:19.52 | Soothsayer | tjack: why aren't you backing up the '/var/run' directory ? |
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| 14:19.58 | vtts | and then find the .oui part in the install.log |
| 14:20.19 | vtts | maybe it will give a better description what installer tries and fails to do |
| 14:20.22 | greenmang0 | vtts: abrotman: if i run same file on another system which is running ubuntu 32bit...it runs |
| 14:20.37 | abrotman | i bet it does |
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| 14:21.09 | Soothsayer | guys, whats the /var/run directory used for ? |
| 14:21.25 | gyerot | Soothsayer: pid files, locks, and so on |
| 14:22.26 | vtts | Soothsayer, checkout "man hier" |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | doesn't mysql keep socket files in there too ? |
| 14:23.33 | vtts | yes, it does hold pid and sock in there |
| 14:23.37 | jbee | nsadmin: seems so. on the other hand i don't know what caused this. but that's probably part of the problem. ;) |
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| 14:27.34 | dokma | hey guys... is it normal that I get no new entries in /var/log/syslog when rebooting a machine... /var/log/dmesg looks perfectly fine... |
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| 14:28.46 | dokma | darn!!!! hda1 => sda1 |
| 14:28.54 | dokma | what a waste of time |
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| 14:29.33 | greenmang0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/UMyKfvuM |
| 14:29.35 | Soothsayer | while doing a tar with tar -czf are permissions on files and directories preserved ? |
| 14:29.59 | pipeline | Soothsayer: you need the -p flag |
| 14:30.03 | nsadmin | p will preserve |
| 14:30.11 | nsadmin | but it might be default now... |
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| 14:30.49 | Soothsayer | hmm |
| 14:30.49 | nsadmin | also running tar as root plus the p should also preserve user and group ownerships |
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| 14:31.03 | Soothsayer | and ive to use it while extracing it as well? |
| 14:31.10 | Soothsayer | s/extracing/extracting |
| 14:31.12 | Soothsayer | s/extracing/extracting/ |
| 14:31.17 | Soothsayer | no bot :-( |
| 14:31.35 | nsadmin | I do |
| 14:31.43 | nsadmin | certainly doesn't hurt |
| 14:31.54 | Soothsayer | but its one more hting to remember. |
| 14:31.59 | konraddo | l |
| 14:32.00 | vtts | greenmang0, could you do "stat .oui" ? |
| 14:32.02 | konraddo | ups |
| 14:32.04 | konraddo | oops |
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| 14:32.36 | nsadmin | that part I can't comment on... except to say you can remember things or look them up |
| 14:32.59 | Soothsayer | nsadmin: ye i mean remember to look them up |
| 14:32.59 | nsadmin | or script specific tasks |
| 14:33.00 | greenmang0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/mKuC9YBQ |
| 14:33.01 | Soothsayer | anyway not a big deal |
| 14:33.30 | nsadmin | when you name the tasks for what you want to do , it's easier to remember |
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| 14:36.38 | vtts | greenmang0, ./oui tries to do something strange with stderr and fails |
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| 14:37.13 | vtts | greenmang0, i guess you are not supposed to run it directly |
| 14:37.37 | greenmang0 | vtts: yes... the bash script runInstall.sh calls it |
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| 14:38.23 | vtts | greenmang0, try calling: strace runInstall.sh |
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| 14:40.46 | thomasfuston | Aloha, i got a problem i am want to install postfix, but while installing the postfix configuration screen appear almost black, like on this screenshot, http://img21.imageshack.us/i/screenyh.png/ |
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| 14:41.12 | thomasfuston | -am |
| 14:42.09 | stew | thomasfuston: try it in a different terminal emulator, or try a different DEBIAN_FRONTEND (which you can select with "dpkg-reconfigure debconf") |
| 14:42.17 | joltcan | thomasfuston: Looks like your terminal is broken |
| 14:42.25 | joltcan | ...what stew side |
| 14:42.31 | alfadir | hi, what olcTLSCipherSuite is needed to get openssl certificate to work with openldap.. http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup sais : NOTE: On Debian Squeeze openldap is linked with gnutls as well, but works just fine with certificate generated by openssl. but I get "main: TLS init def ctx failed: -69" (eg. not DER format!?) |
| 14:42.59 | alfadir | it is a deblan sldap - gnutls vs openssl problem.. not sure how to solve it |
| 14:43.14 | thomasfuston | stew, joltacan: i trie dit with gnome-terminal putty and webkonsole and everything is the same, ok i try "debconf" |
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| 14:43.21 | joltcan | alfadir: and you are sure that your cert really is in der format? |
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| 14:44.34 | stew | thomasfuston: i'd recommend trying the readline frontend |
| 14:44.48 | alfadir | joltcan: have used both pem and der format (eg openssl x509 -in... ) converted. i get -1 then.. and also -1 if I set a olcTLSCipherSuite |
| 14:45.04 | stew | thomasfuston: and the recommendation there is to have libterm-readline-gnu-perl installed |
| 14:45.20 | alfadir | as the website sais Squeeze play well with openssl certs i would like to have that recepie :) |
| 14:45.33 | greenmang0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/vyw50Hmq |
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| 14:48.06 | greenmang0 | vtts: if i have download x86_64 tarball ... then "file .oui" should show 64bit executable... right? |
| 14:48.21 | thomasfuston | stew: well the same screen appears in depconf, i cant change couse i dont see anything^^ |
| 14:48.30 | thomasfuston | *debconf |
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| 14:52.38 | HackeMate | is there a way to restart the dhcp3 server and modify the dhcpd.conf without being root or executing sudo? |
| 14:53.05 | Soothsayer | when im doing a tar and i want to exclude a directory, what's the difference between |
| 14:53.17 | Soothsayer | --exclude="/home/abc" and --exclude="home/abc" |
| 14:53.25 | Soothsayer | the leading slash |
| 14:53.49 | rozie | Soothsayer: second works in current dir |
| 14:53.55 | rozie | first is absolute path |
| 14:54.01 | vtts | greenmang0, it should, but i have no experience with oracle installation |
| 14:54.17 | Soothsayer | oh, that's it right ? |
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| 14:54.18 | stew | thomasfuston: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 14:54.31 | vtts | greenmang0, it seems it is the same error |
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| 14:56.31 | thomasfuston | stew: thx alot |
| 14:57.02 | greenmang0 | vtts: then oracle guys might have included 32bit executable with 64bit tarball by mistake |
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| 14:57.55 | vtts | greenmang0, could you pastebin line 54 from runInstaller ? |
| 14:58.07 | vtts | and maybe a few around it |
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| 15:00.31 | greenmang0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/pH0Y9jPq |
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| 15:02.08 | vtts | greenmang0: strace ./.oui -oneclick |
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| 15:04.28 | greenmang0 | vtts: http://pastebin.com/CNeJjPQa |
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| 15:07.01 | vtts | greenmang0, are you running it from x windows? |
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| 15:11.19 | vtts | greenmang0, the problem is between syscalls (i.e. not visible with strace) |
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| 15:11.36 | vtts | there are a few mentions of it in forums |
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| 15:11.46 | vtts | try following instructions from them |
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| 15:14.02 | linuxfreaker | When will Debian 6 announced? |
| 15:14.15 | vtts | greenmang0, this could help http://www.pythian.com/news/1355/installing-oracle-11gr1-on-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex/ |
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| 15:14.56 | linuxfreaker | When will Debian 6 announced? |
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| 15:15.20 | joltcan | As soon as it is ready |
| 15:15.27 | babilen | !tell linuxfreaker -about wwsr |
| 15:15.43 | linuxfreaker | whats that? |
| 15:15.48 | linuxfreaker | wwsr? |
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| 15:15.57 | babilen | linuxfreaker: see the private message from dpkg |
| 15:16.07 | Bob_Dole | Last I tried to install Debian on my SPARC box, the installer was determined to use MBR... so I have to ask, has anyone installed debian on a SPARC machine lately with any luck? |
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| 15:16.16 | babilen | (acronym for "when will squeeze release") |
| 15:16.31 | linuxfreaker | babilen: Dint get you? |
| 15:16.40 | linuxfreaker | babilen: Can yu brief? |
| 15:17.04 | babilen | linuxfreaker: What? |
| 15:17.08 | stew | Bob_Dole: you might ask #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 15:17.52 | stew | linuxfreaker: what do you mean "announced"? do you mean "released"? |
| 15:17.56 | Bob_Dole | stew: thanks |
| 15:19.15 | linuxfreaker | stew: What I mean when will Debian 6 squeeze be Final Release (GA)? |
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| 15:20.16 | stew | linuxfreaker: when there are fewer RC bugs: http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/rc-stats |
| 15:20.17 | metalfoo | Its done when its done. |
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| 15:20.46 | stew | linuxfreaker: also depending on the upgrade reports and install reports: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/11/msg00006.html |
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| 15:20.56 | stew | "123 bugs need to be fixed by Debian Contributors to get Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" released." |
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| 15:22.24 | petern_ | 123? is that all? |
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| 15:23.14 | stew | petern_: as of last friday, hopefully fewer now |
| 15:24.05 | stew | actually it looks like we just had a bit of an uptick: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 15:24.33 | greenmang0 | vtts: i have done all that... i just fails at .oui step |
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| 15:25.38 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 15:25.38 | dpkg | guess the release date is probably a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 15:27.11 | dokma | hey guys my eth0 is still dead after raw copy |
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| 15:27.27 | dokma | when I log into a rescue system I tried the following: |
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| 15:27.43 | dokma | chroot to the sda1 from the live cd |
| 15:27.55 | dokma | after mount -o /proc /mnt/sda1/proc |
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| 15:28.08 | dokma | and then chroot /mnt/sda1 bash |
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| 15:28.30 | dokma | if I try /etc/init.d/networking after that it just looses internet connection |
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| 15:28.39 | dokma | abrotman: got any idea? ^^^^ |
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| 15:29.11 | vtts | wrong config in interfaces file? |
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| 15:34.08 | dokma | vtts: I've verified with the datacenter that the ips are all correct |
| 15:34.17 | dokma | let me pastebin the interfaces |
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| 15:35.59 | abrotman | dokma: route -n ? ipconfig -a ? |
| 15:36.00 | dokma | vtts: here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/KMWm6Hke |
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| 15:36.12 | dokma | abrotman: I'll add these as well |
| 15:36.25 | stew | abrotman: on windows? |
| 15:36.57 | vtts | dokma, add the ones which are before you do networking restart |
| 15:36.58 | dokma | abrotman: I'm doing these after chrooting to sda1 and doing mount -o bind /proc /mnt/sda1/proc |
| 15:37.18 | dokma | I'll go out of chroot then.... |
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| 15:37.58 | dokma | hmmm.... the one from the live cd is almost empty |
| 15:38.09 | dokma | it contains only this: |
| 15:38.12 | dokma | auto lo |
| 15:38.12 | dokma | iface lo inet loopback |
| 15:38.25 | stew | dokma: its probably using network-manager |
| 15:38.44 | dokma | stew: how do I find that out? |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | stew: why are we debugging windows ? |
| 15:38.49 | abrotman | oh .. ifconfig |
| 15:38.53 | stew | :) |
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| 15:39.17 | dokma | stew ? |
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| 15:39.25 | stew | dokma: is there a process running with a name like network-manager? |
| 15:39.31 | stew | or wicd? |
| 15:39.51 | dokma | hmmm.... interesting |
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| 15:40.02 | dokma | top shows only init and a bunch of kernel stuff |
| 15:40.21 | dokma | it doesn't even show a shell running |
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| 15:42.37 | dokma | is it possible that the kernel somehow loads the wrong eth card driver? |
| 15:42.57 | dokma | when running from live cd it load r8169 |
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| 15:43.09 | dokma | I guess this should be in dmesg log |
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| 15:43.20 | vtts | dokma, could you reboot to live-cd once again, and before going to chroot, run the following: route -n; ifconfig -a |
| 15:43.37 | dokma | vtts I'm in the live-cd now |
| 15:43.48 | dokma | let me pastebin |
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| 15:43.56 | vtts | is the connection working? |
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| 15:44.19 | vtts | and was it working before networking restart? |
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| 15:44.48 | dokma | crap... the last line in dmesg from the real boot is this: [ 19.435529] r8169: eth0: link down |
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| 15:45.44 | dokma | route -n ---> http://pastebin.com/bundyUnd |
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| 15:46.32 | dokma | ifconfig -a ---> http://pastebin.com/u6WHrmwD |
| 15:46.44 | Osax | Hi |
| 15:47.01 | Osax | There's an issue with the Disk Partitioner in D-I? |
| 15:47.10 | Osax | I'm using the weekly Image of Nov 21 |
| 15:47.25 | nsadmin | Osax: theres an issue with it? |
| 15:47.26 | babilen | Osax: Is there? |
| 15:47.29 | vtts | dokma, should it be 178.162.174.92 ? |
| 15:47.42 | dokma | 178.162.174.92 is the new ip |
| 15:47.45 | Osax | nsadmin, babilen yeah, I'm testing it with VirtualBox |
| 15:47.54 | vtts | dokma so why your interfaces config says 89.149.209.209 ? |
| 15:47.57 | dokma | I asked them to route the old one to the new server |
| 15:47.58 | babilen | Osax: What is the issue? |
| 15:48.04 | Osax | When trying to manually partition |
| 15:48.09 | Osax | I can't do that |
| 15:48.12 | vtts | dokma, ok then |
| 15:48.31 | Osax | I doesn't give me the partition list/disk |
| 15:48.33 | dokma | is there a way for me to check if 89.149.209.209 is also pointing to the new server? |
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| 15:48.38 | nsadmin | "can't" -> either "don't know how" or "chose not to" |
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| 15:49.07 | vtts | dokma, how about "ping 217.20.117.1" ? |
| 15:49.20 | vtts | does it get response? |
| 15:49.26 | dokma | vtts from which machine? |
| 15:49.34 | dokma | from my home desktop or from the server |
| 15:49.44 | vtts | from one you are debuging |
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| 15:49.58 | dokma | yes it does |
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| 15:50.15 | nsadmin | so you have connection to your gw |
| 15:50.34 | vtts | dokma, ok, do the same now with chroot |
| 15:50.40 | Osax | nothing mentioned in the errata about that |
| 15:50.57 | vtts | i.e. route -n; ifconfig -a |
| 15:51.24 | vtts | i.e. after networking restart |
| 15:51.28 | dokma | vtts after mount -o bind /proc /mnt/sda1/proc ?? |
| 15:51.41 | dokma | after I restart the networking I lose the connection |
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| 15:52.10 | vtts | dokma, ok then |
| 15:52.17 | vtts | skip that |
| 15:52.19 | dokma | the only thing that comes to mind is to somehow start a deffered process to run this after I try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 15:52.39 | dokma | and to save the output so we can view it from the rescue |
| 15:52.45 | vtts | do: ifconfig eth0:0 89.149.209.209 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:53.05 | vtts | ... up |
| 15:53.19 | thewanderer1 | guys, can I set up KDE4 so that I get the address bars in file managers back, instead of clickable paths? |
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| 15:53.54 | dokma | it seems like aptitude all of a sudden started downloading packages |
| 15:54.02 | dokma | it might have gotten something?? |
| 15:54.39 | dokma | this is the new ifconfig -a |
| 15:55.28 | dokma | http://pastebin.com/VqHCbSH4 |
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| 15:55.51 | vtts | dokma, it seems the routing is ok |
| 15:55.54 | dokma | vtts: I can reach the server now! |
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| 15:56.06 | dokma | using ssh root@89.149.209.209 |
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| 15:56.40 | dokma | vtts: so do you have any idea why this thing does not run when I reboot? |
| 15:56.56 | vtts | dokma, wrong configuration in interfaces |
| 15:57.12 | dokma | I'm not an expert on that part |
| 15:57.17 | dokma | what exactly is wrong? |
| 15:57.31 | vtts | dokma, try skipping the iptables-restore for now |
| 15:57.49 | vtts | and create eth0 eth0:0 interfaces with current config |
| 15:57.57 | vtts | with both address'es |
| 15:58.47 | dokma | ok |
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| 16:00.23 | dokma | vtts: do the network and broadcast reamin the same for both interfaces or do I have to change accordingly? |
| 16:00.30 | olorin_ | thewanderer1: Dolphin? In that case, Settings - Configure Dolphin - Startup - Editable location bar |
| 16:00.46 | vtts | dokma, you can skip them, address and netmask are the important ones |
| 16:00.54 | dokma | vtts: here is what I did based on pure assumption |
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| 16:01.28 | dokma | http://pastebin.com/3qzEjUbt |
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| 16:02.04 | hid3 | I have a program running on tty2 which awaits my interruption. I'm on the remote side. Is there any way to take over control of the tty2 terminal not having the physical access? |
| 16:02.10 | dokma | I corrected to network 178.162.174.0 |
| 16:02.18 | dokma | and now will try a reboot |
| 16:02.26 | dokma | I have not eaten a thing whole day |
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| 16:02.36 | olorin_ | dokma: Reboot? |
| 16:02.40 | dokma | it's 17:02 |
| 16:02.49 | dokma | olorin_: yes reboot |
| 16:02.50 | olorin_ | Same TZ as me. |
| 16:02.58 | stew | hid3: if its i386, you could try retty |
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| 16:03.17 | vtts | dokma, http://pastebin.com/Q9QD2tnT |
| 16:03.20 | abrotman | hid3: retty |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
| 16:03.44 | olorin_ | recommends running such sessions inside Screen. |
| 16:03.51 | abrotman | that's nice if you start it that way |
| 16:04.22 | dokma | vtts: I see.... I already rebooted |
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| 16:04.41 | dokma | let's see what happens and then I'll correct |
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| 16:05.03 | dokma | If I get the new ip running I guess it will be easier to get the other one up too.... |
| 16:05.23 | thewanderer1 | olorin_: thanks, I've been using this KDE4 for a year but still it annoys me a lil bit :P |
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| 16:07.09 | olorin_ | thewanderer1: Well, you can also click in the area to change it. |
| 16:07.51 | dokma | vtts: I gotta go eat something lest I collapse |
| 16:07.59 | sec_goat | I am looking for some assistance. I am trying to get Debian to act as a Windows Domain member. My first attempt is to install samba winbind, but it tells me it cannot find the package. Do i need to edit my package list? |
| 16:08.00 | dokma | vtts: will you be here in 40-50 mins? |
| 16:08.48 | stew | judd: versions winbind |
| 16:08.50 | judd | Package winbind on i386 -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny11; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; sid: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1+bpo50+2 |
| 16:09.02 | thewanderer1 | olorin_: I know, but the machine is supposed to cooperate :P |
| 16:09.09 | stew | sec_goat: yes, it should be available. can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin? |
| 16:10.05 | hid3 | abrotman, stew: will I be able to bing the program back to tty2 after retty'ing it? I mean, the other person on the remote side will continue working on it when/if he returns... |
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| 16:10.13 | vtts | dokma, doubt it |
| 16:10.14 | disinpho | what implementation of ipsec as vpn would you recommend for debian 2.6 Paravirt? ive been looking at openswan http://wiki.openswan.org/index.php/Openswan/Install and isec-tools/racoon http://www.fukt.bsnet.se/~teddy/debian-ipsec |
| 16:10.20 | vtts | but others might help |
| 16:10.39 | olorin_ | thewanderer1: Computers never cooperate. ;-) |
| 16:10.43 | dokma | then I have to stay.... |
| 16:10.50 | dokma | for now you've been the most productive |
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| 16:11.07 | stew | hid3: I don't know. i'd try to retty it into a screen |
| 16:11.13 | thewanderer1 | olorin_: They do. Skynet, just not with the humans :P |
| 16:11.29 | hid3 | I see |
| 16:11.48 | olorin_ | thewanderer1: Good point. |
| 16:12.10 | sec_goat_ | Stew: here is the apt-cache policy |
| 16:12.10 | sec_goat_ | http://pastebin.com/Fd46zEDF |
| 16:12.23 | olorin_ | hid3: So you do have accessible people in the other end who could fix it? |
| 16:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: winbind is to allow other windows users to log in without having an account on your linux box. |
| 16:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: You need samba-client |
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| 16:13.52 | dokma | vtts: just rebooted with your version of interfaces |
| 16:14.05 | dokma | is sshd going to listen to both of them by default? |
| 16:14.31 | olorin_ | Yes. |
| 16:14.36 | dokma | great.... |
| 16:14.48 | dokma | I might get into the new server for the first time using the new ip now.... |
| 16:14.50 | sec_goat_ | jhutxhins_lt: i am just trying to make this as work friendly as possible, being able to log in with domain account would be ideal, also apt-get install samba-client also says cannot find package |
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| 16:15.10 | olorin_ | dokma: ListenAddress: |
| 16:15.19 | olorin_ | dokma: ListenAddress |
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| 16:15.28 | dokma | olorin_: have to change that for sshd? |
| 16:15.41 | larsl | Does pulseaudio die and restart at random for anyone else? |
| 16:15.49 | olorin_ | dokma: Yup. |
| 16:15.59 | dokma | then it's rescue mode again... |
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| 16:16.11 | larsl | And more importantly, how does one fix it? I don't think it's crashing, I can't see any segfault messages in dmesg. |
| 16:16.18 | dokma | olorin_: but ping should work at least? |
| 16:16.48 | olorin_ | dokma: Sure, as long as it allows ICMP echo. |
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| 16:17.05 | dokma | I could ping the server before so I guess it should work now too... |
| 16:17.13 | dokma | but still no response from ping |
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| 16:17.40 | hid3 | olorin_: at the momen no people at the other end... |
| 16:17.57 | olorin_ | hid3: Ok, so you're fscked atm. |
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| 16:18.32 | dokma | ok launching rescue again to set the ListenAddress for sshd |
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| 16:20.17 | vtts | dokma, no, no need to change anything |
| 16:20.26 | vtts | ssh listens on all interfaces by default |
| 16:20.35 | vtts | and all addresses |
| 16:20.51 | Queops | Greetings. Any good server guide link for debian? :)) |
| 16:20.58 | dokma | perhaps I changed that in tightening the security |
| 16:21.06 | olorin_ | Hehe |
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| 16:21.20 | vtts | dokma, check with: netstat -nlt |
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| 16:21.46 | dokma | I could do that only if the server was booted and sshd started.... |
| 16:22.18 | vtts | don't you have a console access? |
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| 16:22.43 | Mac101 | hi my server does a fsck every so many boots and was just wondering where the results go? |
| 16:23.01 | Mac101 | since its headless & i cant see it as it does it |
| 16:23.10 | vtts | Mac101, /var/log/fsck/ |
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| 16:23.32 | Soothsayer | i intend to change the port on which ssh server runs for my remote web server |
| 16:23.38 | Soothsayer | what would be an ideal port to pick? |
| 16:23.55 | Soothsayer | so that it doesn't conflict with any services (or future possible services) for a dedicated web server |
| 16:24.30 | Mac101 | vtts, thanks |
| 16:24.38 | vtts | Soothsayer, for official port list: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 16:25.12 | Queops | Greetings. Any good server guide link for debian? :)) |
| 16:25.46 | vtts | Soothsayer, but then there various software which doesn't gave an official port assigned to it |
| 16:26.10 | Soothsayer | vtts: so ill just pick an odd number |
| 16:26.24 | Soothsayer | like 2212 ? |
| 16:26.30 | vtts | Queops, you could try http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 16:26.38 | Soothsayer | if i go to see that way, almost all the ports are taken |
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| 16:27.02 | babilen | Queops: What do you mean? What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:27.05 | sec_goat_ | ok apparently I cant install anything with apt-get install it keeps telling me it can't find package |
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| 16:27.23 | babilen | !tell sec_goat_ -about bat |
| 16:27.33 | Queops | babilen: Learning servers :P Ideally Debian |
| 16:27.36 | babilen | sec_goat_: Please provide the information dpkg just PMed you on a pastebin :) |
| 16:27.49 | Queops | How to configure, what packages to have, depending on what to host |
| 16:27.55 | Queops | :) |
| 16:28.19 | Queops | vtts: Thanks Ill check it out. |
| 16:28.20 | babilen | Queops: If you want to learn Debian there are a bunch of excellent resources. Have a look at the debian reference and set yourself some goals, like: Configure a mail server ... |
| 16:28.30 | babilen | !tell Queops about reference |
| 16:28.35 | babilen | !tell Queops about grounding |
| 16:28.50 | sec_goat_ | Babilen thanks you I will work this up and get it into pastebin |
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| 16:29.09 | babilen | Queops: Ask dpkg about "fundamentals" and "newbiedoc" |
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| 16:29.19 | abrotman | debian.org/doc is a good place to start |
| 16:29.20 | dokma | vtts: this is a machine in a datacenter |
| 16:29.34 | dokma | only ssh |
| 16:29.44 | Queops | Yeh I just didnt want to wander much on the desktop part :P |
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| 16:29.51 | Queops | So I decided to ask for advice :D |
| 16:29.59 | Queops | I see, thanks for the help. |
| 16:30.27 | Queops | I foun it btw, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html seems very helpful this reference. |
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| 16:32.00 | vtts | dokma, ok then, unfortunately i have to go now, good luck |
| 16:32.16 | dokma | vtts: you've been great help |
| 16:32.20 | dokma | thanks a lot! |
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| 16:32.54 | Elysium-OS | Hello, I have a problem on Squeeze, I have set APT::Install-Recommends "false"; but apt-get install still wants to install recommends |
| 16:33.42 | vtts | dokma, glad to help, take a break and have a meal, computers are not worth the suffering ;) |
| 16:33.58 | dokma | too many clients don't have email access atm |
| 16:34.01 | dokma | I'll eat soon |
| 16:34.05 | dokma | just to get some progress |
| 16:34.11 | Soothsayer | i've changed my ssh port |
| 16:34.12 | sec_goat_ | I hate to be dense but how do I get the output from apt-get/aptitude/dselect run |
| 16:34.18 | Soothsayer | but someone can still use a port scan to find it anyway |
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| 16:34.30 | Soothsayer | so how do i secure ssh access? especiall a brute force |
| 16:34.41 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: implement public key authentication |
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| 16:34.49 | thewanderer1 | and disable password logon altogether |
| 16:34.54 | babilen | Queops: There are also a couple of good books. Take a look at "The Debian System 2nd Edition: Concepts and Techniques", "GNU/Linux Debian" (Raphaël Hertzog) and "Running Linux" / "Linux System Administration" from O'Reilly |
| 16:35.15 | abrotman | Elysium-OS: did you apt-get update after doing that? |
| 16:35.17 | dkr | Soothsayer: only allow connections to port 22 from specific ip addresses with iptables |
| 16:35.17 | Queops | Duly noted, cheers mate. |
| 16:35.35 | Elysium-OS | abrotman: yes |
| 16:35.36 | dkr | Soothsayer: you could use fail2ban |
| 16:35.38 | Soothsayer | dkr: ye but my ip itself is dynamic... so i can be possibly booted out of the system |
| 16:35.48 | abrotman | Elysium-OS: alternately .. use aptitude |
| 16:35.58 | Queops | Soothsayer: don't use port 22, use keys instead of login by password. and only allow that port/ips on iptables |
| 16:35.58 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: whats the login method then? you've to keep a key file or osmething if u want to login ? |
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| 16:36.32 | Bushmills | port 22 is ok when password logins are disabled |
| 16:36.47 | Queops | Yeh if he makes keys |
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| 16:37.02 | Bushmills | (and when you can live with logs telling about attempted logins) |
| 16:37.28 | dkr | Bushmills: that's how fail2ban works, throwing in iptables rules to block further traffic from failed log attempts |
| 16:37.34 | cn28h | how can I force apt to use IPv4? when it queries the DNS it gets back an AAAA record, which is swell, aside from that I don't actually have IPv6 connectivity. It seems that apt is using the IPv6 address by default |
| 16:37.40 | dkr | er, login attempts |
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| 16:37.48 | Bushmills | hehe, password disabled is even ok when he *doesn't* make keys :) |
| 16:38.06 | dkr | even more secure, disconnect from the net. :) |
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| 16:38.31 | Bushmills | dkr: for a login attempt to be recognized as failed, usually several have to be attempted first |
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| 16:39.13 | dkr | Bushmills: correct. brute forcers rely on being to try thousands of times, allowing them a couple shouldn't hurt. it's all about trade-offs. :) |
| 16:39.40 | dkr | I only had to do that for one system, though. usually I can limit access based on source ips |
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| 16:39.45 | Soothsayer | fail2ban looks interesting |
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| 16:40.40 | disinpho | ipsec on debian 1.6 paravirt: openswan or ipsec-tools/racoon? any recommendations or experiences? |
| 16:40.49 | dkr | Soothsayer: you could block access from all ips except the range of possible ips you may be assigned. that would at least mitigate it |
| 16:41.00 | disinpho | for vpn ofc |
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| 16:41.37 | Soothsayer | dkr: its difficult to guess that. i keep travelling and using different internet sources |
| 16:41.39 | sec_goat_ | babilen: the only thing i am able to get is the apt-cache policy http://pastebin.com/Fd46zEDF |
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| 16:41.44 | Soothsayer | andd its not just me connecting to the server |
| 16:41.50 | Soothsayer | but people who have websites on it too |
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| 16:42.16 | Bushmills | letting people log in suggests use of keys strongly |
| 16:42.17 | dkr | Soothsayer: you don't have to reject each suggestion explicitly, just take all the options and apply the ones appropriate to your situation, :) |
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| 16:42.37 | Soothsayer | hehe true |
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| 16:42.44 | Bushmills | password discipline of many tend to be awful |
| 16:43.33 | Bushmills | was that any different, login/password brute forcing would be less a of a problem |
| 16:43.51 | AntoineSolutions | Is there a good tutorial on detecting what package is crashing debian? |
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| 16:44.26 | babilen | sec_goat_: Well, you don't have any repositories configured. |
| 16:44.32 | babilen | !tell sec_goat_ about sources.list |
| 16:44.40 | Soothsayer | dkr: should be installing fail2ban from debian packages? |
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| 16:45.13 | babilen | sec_goat_: Have a look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list and use that as a starting point. If you are unsure, you can paste your sources.list and we'll have a look |
| 16:45.14 | sisif | Hello guys. Recently I just broke my bluetooth switch from my notebook and I`m no longer able to enable it. I know that for Windows there was a way to enable it from BlueSolei. I`m just wondering - is there such app / method for Linux also ? |
| 16:45.22 | dkr | Soothsayer: is that a trick question? ;) |
| 16:46.01 | jhutchins_lt | fail2ban is unnecessary if you just use throttling in iptables. |
| 16:46.16 | dkr | oh yeah, throttling is another good option. forgot about that |
| 16:46.18 | babilen | sec_goat_: You can safely remove the entries referring to the CD as aptitude will download everything it needs from the internet |
| 16:46.24 | Soothsayer | dkr: lol.. no.. cause i dont think the debian package is updated to the latest version |
| 16:46.44 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt: throttling iptables ? |
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| 16:47.04 | sec_goat_ | babilen: can you please help me with that procedure? |
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| 16:47.45 | babilen | sec_goat_: Sure, what do you have a problem with? |
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| 16:48.12 | marras | hello everyone! could anybody point me what should I look for to make an apache redirection based on the http header of the request?? |
| 16:48.12 | dkr | Soothsayer: it's pretty simple software. tail -f's the log and drops in an iptables rule after x failed login attempts. can't think of reason to depart from the version in debian stable |
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| 16:48.38 | marras | the thing is that I've got port 443 pointing to a windows machine and port 80 to a debian one, I would like that if some gets mistaken and tries to acces with http:// instead of https:// it would be redirected to the windows machine with SSL anyway... |
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| 16:49.23 | marras | any ideas of what should I look? I've tried with mod_rewrite but I don't quite get how I might perform this particular redirection |
| 16:49.41 | babilen | sec_goat_: Where are you located? |
| 16:49.48 | cahoot | sisif: on my thinkpad I can use this to turn BT on: echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable |
| 16:49.54 | marras | mallorca, spain |
| 16:50.04 | dkr | marras: you won't see http headers until after the https connection is made. (hence the reason you can't have more than one ssl cert per ip/port) |
| 16:50.47 | Soothsayer | dkr: will it conflict with any existing ip table rules i've specified? also, do the rules remain on reboot ? |
| 16:51.03 | marras | yeah, I know, but I want the redirection to be made when the connection is http instead o https, that is if someone forgets to type the 's' |
| 16:51.09 | dkr | marras: try #httpd there is probably a way to detect the situation to redir another way ebsides headers |
| 16:52.25 | stew | marras: you are trying to catch the error where someone hits port 443 but with http instead of https? |
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| 16:52.32 | stew | marras: or am I misunderstanding? |
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| 16:52.43 | dkr | Soothsayer: it makes a separate chain, you have to put the redir to that chain at whatever point in your current rules. e.g. in the INPUT table. it clears the blocks after a set amount of time |
| 16:52.55 | mcr | is there a channel for ruby on debian folks? |
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| 16:53.00 | sisif | cahoot, the only thing is I`m missing /platform/model section .. |
| 16:53.38 | sec_goat_ | babilen: sorry missed a few of your replies, and I need to read that PM, I will try and let you know, also I am located in NH, US, why do you ask? |
| 16:53.56 | marras | stew: no, I'm just trying to redirect the folk who mistype the url |
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| 16:54.08 | disinpho | ipsec for vpn on debian 1.6 paravirt: openswan or ipsec-tools/racoon? any recommendations or experiences? |
| 16:54.16 | stew | marras: so you want any request that goes to http to be redirected to https? |
| 16:54.18 | babilen | sec_goat_: As you are in the USA you could use something like this as /etc/apt/sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/100576/ |
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| 16:54.40 | marras | stew: yeah exactly that |
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| 16:55.05 | stew | marras: RedirectMatch 301 (.*) https://hostname$1 |
| 16:55.19 | marras | when someone tries to load http://domain1.com to be redirected to https://domain1.com (which is in another machin, but I don't think that matters |
| 16:55.21 | mcr | disinpho openswan. much easier to configure. |
| 16:55.28 | dkr | Redirect / https://hostname |
| 16:55.36 | stew | marras: RedirectMatch 301 (.*) https://domain1.com$1 |
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| 16:56.15 | dkr | inside the config for the vhost listening at port 80 |
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| 16:56.51 | babilen | sec_goat_: run "aptitude update" afterwards and you should be able to install additional packages. Also note that the sources.list I pasted enables contrib and non-free sections (non-free software or software that depends on non-free) You might not necessarily want that. If that is the case remove the "contrib non-free" in the end. Also see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_archive_basics |
| 16:57.33 | marras | stew: the thing is that right know I'm being redirected to the default virtualhost on the debian machine |
| 16:57.44 | marras | I tried adding that rule and didn't work |
| 16:58.06 | marras | I guess I'm missing some stupid thing.... |
| 16:58.09 | Soothsayer | i think ill just public key authentication :-P |
| 16:58.28 | Soothsayer | a pain to login with though |
| 16:58.30 | Soothsayer | brb dinner |
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| 16:59.24 | dkr | Soothsayer: use ssh-agent to reduce pain |
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| 17:03.07 | sec_goat_ | babilen: well that looks like it |
| 17:03.22 | babilen | sec_goat_: Working now? |
| 17:03.32 | sec_goat_ | babilen: looks like it did the trick, I used the sources list from that debian lwebpage.. . |
| 17:03.43 | sec_goat_ | babilen: getting smbclient installed now |
| 17:03.56 | stew | marras: did you put it in the wrong virtualhost? |
| 17:04.04 | babilen | sec_goat_: May I have a look at the sources.list you are using right now and the output of "apt-cache policy" just to make sure everyhting is fine? |
| 17:04.58 | marras | I was just thinking that could be the mistake |
| 17:05.02 | babilen | sec_goat_: Or is "that debian lwebpage" == http://paste.debian.net ? (i.e. the sources.list I pasted) ? |
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| 17:05.14 | babilen | sec_goat_: I don't have to see it in that case ;) |
| 17:05.54 | sec_goat_ | babilen: i used this exacty for the sources.list http://paste.debian.net/100576/ and here is the apt-cahce policy http://pastebin.com/9BTJG70S |
| 17:05.55 | marras | stew: right now I've got just the default virtualhost with the web |
| 17:06.03 | sec_goat_ | babilen: yes that is the one |
| 17:06.26 | babilen | sec_goat_: Wonderful, enjoy! |
| 17:06.56 | sec_goat_ | babilen: thank you so much! |
| 17:08.04 | marras | stew: should I create another virtualhost responding for the other header and put the redirect rule inside that virtualhost?? i'll try and tell you if it works right away, just one second |
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| 17:09.55 | thewanderer1 | marras: just use mod_rewrite, PHP to send headers or anything else that can redirect the client |
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| 17:10.27 | megana | does anyone know how to fix X when it says: [config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null)) |
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| 17:10.37 | thewanderer1 | marras: another option is to just make a page and let the client know that they should be connecting via https, along with a suitable link |
| 17:11.06 | thewanderer1 | megana: my solution so far was to remove HAL... hal works better without hal :) |
| 17:11.22 | cn28h | anyone know of any mirrors that still have sarge? |
| 17:11.48 | megana | thewanderer, so just apt-get purge hal? |
| 17:11.50 | marras | thewanderer1: yeah, I thought of that, but the thing is to find a solution to "save all that trouble" to the users.... |
| 17:11.57 | jhutchins_lt | !archives |
| 17:11.57 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 17:12.12 | thewanderer1 | megana: on squeeze, yes... on lenny it's still needed :P |
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| 17:12.43 | megana | I have lenny |
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| 17:13.11 | megana | :( |
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| 17:14.16 | thewanderer1 | marras: scan through this http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html and you'll know that the answer is just 42... |
| 17:14.37 | marras | thewandere1: the answer is always 42!!! ;) |
| 17:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | megana: I think if you go with the .32 kernel from backports that gives you a udev system that doesn't need hal. |
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| 17:14.57 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: KDE/GNOME will be unhappy :P |
| 17:15.04 | marras | I've already read that whole page and didn't get it very much, but I'll give another try |
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| 17:15.24 | jhutchins_lt | marras: Yes, your second virtual host with a redirect would work. |
| 17:15.33 | megana | so I can't get rid of hal then? |
| 17:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | megana: I would suggest that you go back to your earlier question and try to solve the actual problem. |
| 17:16.25 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 17:16.32 | megana | of course |
| 17:17.00 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Well, not of course, x runs pretty well without one these days. |
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| 17:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | megana: One "flip the switch off and on" thing to try is to move/rename it and see what xorg comes up with on it's own. |
| 17:17.39 | megana | oh |
| 17:18.17 | disinpho | mcr: thanks, that was a good reason for picking openswan :D |
| 17:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | The other would be to provide more context for your error in a pastebin - it's not at all obvious what the problem is from that one fragment. |
| 17:18.39 | megana | it says the same thing but gives me WW's about how it failed to set up write combining range |
| 17:18.42 | megana | VESA stuff |
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| 17:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | megana: This of course leads to questions about what chipset you have, what driver you're using, and where your configuration came from. |
| 17:20.16 | megana | http://pastebin.com/PEJZniPz |
| 17:20.55 | megana | I have this thing |
| 17:20.56 | megana | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121398 |
| 17:21.16 | megana | so it's intel GMA 3150 |
| 17:23.34 | megana | I just install lenny with no desktop environment then install xorg |
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| 17:24.13 | megana | so it's just the base system |
| 17:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Ok, WATCH OUT for the guys here who will tell you to install squeeze, there are serious problems with Intel graphics. |
| 17:24.38 | megana | thank you jhutchins_lt |
| 17:25.48 | megana | is there a mod I need to probe or a package I should get? |
| 17:25.50 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1, dkr : public key authentication is quite difficult to use with clients like putty, filezilla, etc.. and my concern is primarily the 'root' user. So should I just disable ssh login for root user? |
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| 17:26.16 | deblinux | anyone know how to change the "Places" links in "Applications, Places, System" in the gnome panel in Debian? |
| 17:26.20 | jhutchins_lt | megana: What does dpkg -l hal* show? |
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| 17:27.05 | megana | http://pastebin.com/xQygYAit |
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| 17:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | megana: aptitude install hal |
| 17:29.50 | megana | well, the HAL message went away. Now the screen is just black. I was expecting the xorg default background and an xterm |
| 17:30.09 | megana | I get the same output, just no HAL message |
| 17:30.41 | megana | soooo progress :) |
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| 17:32.06 | stew | megana: have you tried without a xorg.conf? |
| 17:32.12 | megana | yeah |
| 17:32.19 | stew | try again now that hal exists |
| 17:32.22 | megana | I can do it again now that hal is here though |
| 17:33.09 | megana | EE open /dev/db0 |
| 17:33.12 | megana | fb0* |
| 17:33.19 | megana | then it says VESA warnings |
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| 17:33.50 | megana | http://pastebin.com/aLWLrTkX |
| 17:33.52 | megana | like that |
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| 17:34.24 | stew | megana: can you tell us the vendorID:deviceID of your graphics card? |
| 17:34.40 | stew | megana: you could get it from "lspci -nn" it would be something like "8086:10de" |
| 17:34.42 | megana | I know it's an intel GMA, but I don't know how to get that information |
| 17:35.23 | megana | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a001] |
| 17:35.23 | stew | judd: xorg 8086:a001 |
| 17:35.23 | judd | Device 8086:a001 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 17:35.46 | megana | oh boy |
| 17:35.57 | babilen | i915 in sid |
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| 17:36.04 | abrotman | stew: is that out of date? |
| 17:36.13 | stew | abrotman: i dunno, not my bot anymore |
| 17:36.49 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:a001 |
| 17:36.52 | judd | [8086:a001] is 'N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a001 |
| 17:37.04 | stew | so using a backported kernel might make a /dev/fb0 appear |
| 17:37.13 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: actually, PuTTY supports the keys... but yes, make up a nice username and password |
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| 17:37.31 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: or get interested in a technique called Port Knocking if you want to avoid port scans |
| 17:37.45 | megana | i915 is the driver I need? |
| 17:38.07 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: ok will look up on it :) |
| 17:38.12 | megana | but my kernel is less than 2.6.32- |
| 17:38.27 | megana | I only have 2.6.26 |
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| 17:38.28 | jhutchins_lt | !bdo |
| 17:38.28 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 17:38.45 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 17:38.45 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. |
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| 17:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | megana: The backports repo above has the .32 kernel. |
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| 17:39.06 | neoice | here's an odd question a friend just posed. `lsof | grep zero`. why are apache, sshd, postfix, etc using /dev/zero? |
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| 17:39.51 | jhutchins_lt | I believe the i915 driver is available in .26, but it may not support that card. |
| 17:39.54 | megana | okay jhutchins, so I am going to update my kernel through back ports. Then I have to install this i7 driver |
| 17:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | megana: It should come with the kernel. |
| 17:40.22 | megana | okay, so I just grab this kernel and it should work |
| 17:40.27 | babilen | yes |
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| 17:40.36 | megana | okayâ¦â¦â¦ how do I do that? :P |
| 17:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Well, you should at least be one step closer. |
| 17:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | Follow the instructions at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:41.10 | megana | okay, thought so |
| 17:41.14 | megana | I am no confident o_O |
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| 17:41.33 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: haan damn, i forgot disabling ssh login for root will also prevent sftp login |
| 17:42.34 | blueyed | ondrejk: are you OndÅej Surý? maintainer of the php package? |
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| 17:43.34 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: no, why? do you really need sftp as root? |
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| 17:44.04 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: ye i use it quite often |
| 17:44.22 | thewanderer1 | it's either security or comfort, you know the rules :P |
| 17:44.29 | Soothsayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.31 | megana | okay, so what package do I need again? |
| 17:44.45 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: use ACL for this |
| 17:44.48 | Soothsayer | argh, i hate trade-offs like these |
| 17:44.53 | thewanderer1 | http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 17:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:44.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:45.01 | thewanderer1 | learn to use these properly |
| 17:45.07 | Soothsayer | ye i thought so |
| 17:45.10 | Soothsayer | ill create a new user |
| 17:45.38 | jhutchins_lt | megana: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 probably |
| 17:45.48 | megana | does that work for amd64? |
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| 17:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Yes, but if you have the amd64 kernel you'll want to stick with that. |
| 17:46.50 | megana | these are all i386 |
| 17:47.18 | thewanderer1 | megana: so install an amd64 one! |
| 17:47.25 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels --arch=amd64 |
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| 17:47.27 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 17:47.28 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: one more thing, how do I limit access to new users to only their home account ? |
| 17:47.33 | megana | I think I found it :) |
| 17:47.38 | megana | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 17:47.56 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: you do not... unless you really need to chroot, but it's often unneeded |
| 17:48.08 | megana | thank you thewander1. I am just new to kernel tinkering. I am sorry |
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| 17:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: iirc you were the one who advised removing hal from a system that didn't have it and needed it. |
| 17:49.12 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: i don't want one account to have acess to files of another |
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| 17:49.35 | cusco_ | hi |
| 17:49.43 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: oh, I thought lenny had it by default |
| 17:49.49 | Soothsayer | ok looks like its already in place |
| 17:50.03 | megana | I didn't know aptitude could update the kernel. That's so wild |
| 17:50.15 | thewanderer1 | Soothsayer: you only use permissions for that... 0700 will prevent others from seeing anything in the homedir of the given user |
| 17:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Yes, it can. You'll also want to follow the instructions for creating an apt preferences file so that you'll automatically get any security updates to the kernel. |
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| 17:50.56 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 17:51.02 | megana | I think that was in the instructions page? |
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| 17:51.17 | stew | it was |
| 17:52.17 | Soothsayer | thewanderer1: got it. thanks.. will read out the rest.. |
| 17:52.17 | Soothsayer | brb |
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| 17:53.09 | megana | it finished. I think that after updating the kernel a restart is necessary ne? |
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| 17:53.22 | stew | si |
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| 17:54.35 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Yes, one of the few times it is. |
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| 17:55.18 | megana | startx does not go with and without a config file still :P |
| 17:55.38 | megana | log coming soon |
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| 17:56.16 | megana | http://pastebin.com/N6gPcFAa |
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| 17:56.38 | megana | that looks better, no fb0 problems |
| 17:56.46 | megana | but the display is blank now |
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| 17:58.55 | kristian-aalborg | I'm looking to have a file named "boot-time" in /var/log |
| 17:59.02 | kristian-aalborg | how can this be accomplished? |
| 17:59.03 | megana | still there jhutchins? |
| 17:59.10 | megana | jhutchins_lt |
| 17:59.24 | jhutchins_lt | Mostly. |
| 17:59.35 | megana | we are sooo close |
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| 18:00.21 | jhutchins_lt | So black screen now, and the last I checked the newer xorg drivers won't work without the framebuffer. |
| 18:00.43 | megana | what is a framebuffer? How do I get one? |
| 18:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | megana: I hate to be one of the people I warned you about, but it might be worth your time to install squeeze at this point. It does have a newer xorg system with newer intel drivers. |
| 18:01.22 | megana | o_O |
| 18:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | megana: It's a video mode for the console - xorg is pushing toward a microsoft-like integration where you can't have a system if the graphics won't work. |
| 18:01.56 | stew | megana: can you show us your entire Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 18:02.11 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins: you say that like it's a bad thing? |
| 18:02.15 | kristian-aalborg | ;) |
| 18:02.18 | stew | megana: i'd recommend figuring out what resolution your display is running at, it might be one which your monitor refuses to attempt to display |
| 18:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | between the rapid changes in hardware and the re-write of xorg to use kernel mode switching it's been tough to keep up. |
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| 18:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Yeah, who wants to look at a boring old console just to get a system working. |
| 18:02.44 | stew | megana: from a text console, you can check and change the resolution of the running x server with xrandr |
| 18:02.49 | megana | stew: http://pastebin.com/QuacNCyD |
| 18:03.08 | megana | well it is a TV stew |
| 18:03.38 | megana | okay let's try that stew. |
| 18:04.05 | stew | megana: this is a config you created with X -configure ? |
| 18:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | megana: Can you switch away from the black screen with Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
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| 18:04.41 | stew | its too bad that lenny and a half was never realized |
| 18:04.45 | megana | yeah |
| 18:05.03 | megana | I can |
| 18:05.07 | karlpinc | Well, there's backports. |
| 18:05.18 | stew | not for xorg |
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| 18:05.34 | sec_goat | ok another noob question: I would like my second monitor to be an extension of my desktop instead of a mirror, where would I start on that? |
| 18:05.39 | karlpinc | stew: Right. Although I'm inclined to see efforts go into faster releases. |
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| 18:05.52 | stew | i'm not |
| 18:06.01 | stew | megana: from a text console, with X still running what resolution does "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" say you are using? |
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| 18:06.27 | stew | i also don't believe that lenny and a half would have slowed down the release process |
| 18:06.44 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. |
| 18:07.10 | megana | that it's displaying at 1920x1440 |
| 18:07.10 | stew | etch-n-half was the first time it was done, and the etch->lenny lifecycle wasn't particularly long |
| 18:07.13 | megana | which is way out of range |
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| 18:07.23 | cahoot | sec_goat: try xrandr |
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| 18:07.27 | megana | I need 1280x800 |
| 18:07.45 | stew | megana: "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -set 1280x800" iirc" |
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| 18:07.54 | stew | -set? -mode? |
| 18:08.30 | cahoot | -s |
| 18:08.31 | megana | lol neither |
| 18:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | megana: I would recommend checking for a BIOS update too, Intel has been releasing better BIOS graphics support after those boards ship. |
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| 18:08.53 | sec_goat | cahoot: that blanked it out and dumped a lot of config details it looks like |
| 18:08.53 | megana | okay I will do that |
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| 18:09.19 | megana | it says that the mode was not found in available modes |
| 18:09.22 | cahoot | sec_goat: not simply usage help? |
| 18:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: You need to configure a virtual desktop that's two screens wide. I'm not sure of the details, and I've heard "twinview" mentioned in conjunction with this - but LOTS of people do it. |
| 18:09.38 | stew | sec_goat: i use "xrandr --output DVI-1 --left-of DVI-0" ; you would probably have to adjust the output names to match yours |
| 18:09.52 | megana | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1024x768 |
| 18:10.17 | megana | where is this list of modes |
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| 18:11.29 | stew | megana: "xrandr -q" lists the available modes |
| 18:11.46 | megana | can't open display o_O |
| 18:11.54 | stew | megana: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -q |
| 18:11.57 | megana | I am doing this through ssh |
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| 18:12.20 | megana | okay, same list as before, I must be issuing the wrong command to set the mode |
| 18:12.58 | megana | DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600 |
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| 18:14.59 | cahoot | megana: you might need create a modeline if not automagically enabled - gtf can help |
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| 18:18.24 | megana | -gtf from xrandr? |
| 18:19.02 | cahoot | as a command by itself |
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| 18:20.31 | megana | so close to solving this, I just can't get it to stop trying to display at 1920x1440 |
| 18:20.55 | megana | I did like you said with gtf, it didn't change anything in xorg.conf |
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| 18:21.37 | cahoot | it wouldn't |
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| 18:22.46 | cahoot | it gives you a modeline as output - you should be able to use that modeline as a -mode option for xrandr |
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| 18:24.14 | megana | I did this: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -mode "1280x800_60.00" 83.46 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 -HSync +Vsync |
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| 18:24.51 | megana | which is bad syntax |
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| 18:25.01 | cahoot | missing " at the end? |
| 18:25.09 | cahoot | err sdisregard |
| 18:25.27 | stew | --mode not -mode |
| 18:25.39 | stew | and i'd try just --mode 1280x800 first |
| 18:25.44 | megana | doesn't like it |
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| 18:26.33 | stew | megana: instead of --mode, try --newmode |
| 18:26.41 | stew | if that works, use --mode 1280x800_60.00 |
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| 18:26.55 | sjk392 | hi, i have a problem, i install ubuntu server 10.04 for use it on a samba server, but when i generate users and convert them to samba every user can acces every home folder on share, hiw can i make every home folder private for every user? |
| 18:28.03 | stew | sjk392: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 18:28.07 | megana | stew, newmode works, but âmode does nothing |
| 18:28.14 | catsup | it certainly seems like the entire modeline should be a single argument, although the examples in the man page don't do that |
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| 18:28.34 | sjk392 | ubuntu is a debian derivate but ok, tks for help |
| 18:28.46 | stew | sjk392: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 18:29.00 | Yuswita | THIS IS THE BEST U CAN GET http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar |
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| 18:29.37 | megana | can't I just edit xorg.conf |
| 18:29.45 | stew | sure |
| 18:29.56 | sjk395 | link again pop up blocked and chat reset |
| 18:29.59 | sjk395 | plx |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | sjk395: go to #ubuntu |
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| 18:31.33 | megana | do you know how to use delmode |
| 18:31.41 | megana | it wants an <output> as a parameter |
| 18:31.55 | megana | what is this output? |
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| 18:32.16 | stew | megana: an output name would be somehting like VGA or LVDS or DVI-1 |
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| 18:32.31 | stew | megana: it would be at the beginning of the line before it starts dumping modes |
| 18:33.15 | kevin01123 | I'm trying to install squeeze using the testing beta 1 installer. After it loads the cd content, it tells me that it cannot load kernel modules. It says that this error is probably because of a version difference between the kernel in the installer and the kernel in the archive. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:33.22 | megana | http://pastebin.com/he2smL0A this is all I have |
| 18:33.33 | megana | does that mean it's default? |
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| 18:33.57 | stew | megana: and "xrandr --mode 1280x800_60.00" doesn't work? |
| 18:34.09 | megana | no |
| 18:34.32 | stew | megana: your output name is "default" |
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| 18:34.41 | megana | it just gives me the syntax menu |
| 18:34.42 | e7th04sh | hello |
| 18:34.58 | stew | megana: waht about "xrandr -s 1280x800_60.00" |
| 18:34.59 | Bushmills | megana: second monitor, on VGA, your try to set mode for? |
| 18:35.06 | megana | stew, when I do that it says the resource is private |
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| 18:35.26 | megana | I'm root! they can't do that |
| 18:35.28 | e7th04sh | I was just installing gnome-office with aptitude from gnome-terminal, when all of a sudden the whole system seemed highly overburdened and i had to reset it |
| 18:35.53 | megana | http://pastebin.com/YieUB7SJ |
| 18:36.38 | e7th04sh | after that, my xserver won't start, complaining about some settings |
| 18:36.45 | e7th04sh | what could be the problem? |
| 18:36.55 | e7th04sh | how do i finish the installation and clean up the mess? |
| 18:36.56 | stew | megana: are you doing this with "DISPLAY=:0" ? |
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| 18:37.05 | megana | yes stew |
| 18:37.16 | stew | e7th04sh: run "dpkg --configure -a" and "aptitude -f install" |
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| 18:38.42 | ChmEarl | xen 4.0.1 on squeeze has no tap:aio support. Its not broken, its gone missing. |
| 18:38.49 | megana | according to google modes created by xserver can't be deleted by the user |
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| 18:40.11 | e7th04sh | thank you stew, it's working now |
| 18:40.13 | boxxertrumps | so I put 'su -c "sh ./s1.sh" - username' in my rc.local but my server isn't starting up, and i dont know where i'd find the log from that |
| 18:40.23 | e7th04sh | btw, do you think g\nome-office is worth using anyways? |
| 18:40.36 | megana | google docs is great |
| 18:41.04 | lrojas | can anybody tell me what is the best way to install Python 3.1.2 on lenny ? |
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| 18:41.34 | skinder | im using debian on my laptop. my / filesystem is 6.5 G. that was enough for a long time. but i began using unstable. now i usually haven't enough place for packages when upgrading. yes, im an idiot, but what should i do now? must i reinstall my system? |
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| 18:41.57 | skinder | sorry for weird english |
| 18:41.59 | pipeline | skinder: mount a new filesystem at /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:42.09 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: write a real script with start-stop-daemon. you can use /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 18:42.10 | pipeline | skinder: e.g. nfs mount, smb mount. Use that to handle the downloads. |
| 18:42.17 | megana | stew: to set mode I had to do DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output default --mode 1024x768 |
| 18:42.22 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: rc.local is ok for running a command, but not start services |
| 18:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python |
| 18:42.26 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze1; experimental: 2.6.6-5 |
| 18:42.27 | skinder | pipeline, thank you |
| 18:42.34 | megana | but that just crashes x |
| 18:42.35 | pipeline | skinder: also, in the future, whenever possible, use LVM for root |
| 18:42.36 | kevin01123 | Has the squeeze installer worked for anyone? |
| 18:42.42 | ChmEarl | skinder, apt-get clean (recover space) |
| 18:42.42 | jordanm | yes |
| 18:42.48 | pipeline | skinder: LVM is hugely helpful in this kind of situation, makes it easy to grow or migrate filesystems |
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| 18:43.51 | skinder | !tell skinder about lvm |
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| 18:44.28 | boxxertrumps | jordanm: it's a minecraft server, java in a screen session... init.d/skeleton is what I want, now that I know it exists |
| 18:44.45 | boxxertrumps | that's awesome, thanks jordanm |
| 18:44.46 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: make a copy of it so you still have it |
| 18:44.52 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: np :) |
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| 18:45.07 | sameer666 | rlm_perl: Added pair CHAP-Password = \010\235\243\232\006h\376\024\374㢵Ê?\021_\372 |
| 18:45.17 | sameer666 | is this freeradius format rite ? |
| 18:45.20 | Soothsayer | is there anything wrong with adding a user to the 'root' group ? |
| 18:45.21 | jhutchins_lt | Ironhand: Because python is so heavily integrated with the system changing versions is very difficult, and because it calls so many modules it's not easy to do a parallel install. Why do you think you need such a new version? |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | Soothsayer: a lot .. |
| 18:45.43 | frikinz | Hi everyone. Under gnome; is there something existing or something you recommend to have 'shortcuts to ssh servers'. Under fbpanel I had a menu in fbpanel; I would select my shortcut and it opens a shell connected via ssh to the server. I'm fed up to type evertime the same commands.. |
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| 18:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | Ironhand: Sorry, irojas must've quit. |
| 18:45.49 | sameer666 | shouldn't it be in 0x format in hex |
| 18:46.11 | sameer666 | any one to help ? |
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| 18:46.15 | Soothsayer | abrotman: i want to give a user access to files readable/writeable by the root user group (for example apache config files) |
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| 18:46.57 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: You might want to check with #freeradius or their support forum. Be sure to read the docs thoroughly, that will be what most of their responses say. |
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| 18:47.27 | abrotman | Soothsayer: use sudo for that |
| 18:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: You can create desktop shortcuts or menu entries, and you can simplify complex commands using the configuration file in .ssh. |
| 18:47.34 | abrotman | looks at themill |
| 18:47.43 | sameer666 | Soothsayer: chmod 606 file |
| 18:47.45 | Soothsayer | ok that wont help, the adding to group... these config files have only read access for the group members |
| 18:47.54 | Soothsayer | hmm.. |
| 18:47.58 | jordanm | sameer666: ... |
| 18:48.04 | Soothsayer | sameer666: 606? that will let everyone write it! |
| 18:48.17 | sameer666 | yea either that or group |
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| 18:48.25 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: ok so a shortcut to xterm -e ssh ... |
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| 18:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | Soothsayer: add the users to the www-data group. |
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| 18:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: Or a shortcut to ssh ... with "run in terminal" checked. |
| 18:49.26 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt: wont help. they are owned by the 'root' user |
| 18:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | Soothsayer: So you're not running debian. |
| 18:49.52 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt: lol.. i am |
| 18:49.59 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: hum yeah :) ok it's so simple with this 'run in term' that they did not implement a 'ssh shortcut' thing. Thanks. |
| 18:50.02 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: thats correct for the configuration files |
| 18:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | Mmmhmm. Which kernel? Which release of apache? |
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| 18:50.52 | Soothsayer | jhutchins_lt: the stable package for mpm worker |
| 18:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, that's right, worked with too many different distros. |
| 18:50.58 | Soothsayer | anyway |
| 18:51.03 | Soothsayer | guess sudo looks like hte best option |
| 18:51.08 | Soothsayer | but the thing was i wanted sftp access |
| 18:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | I believe you CAN make them group www-data and use that. |
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| 18:51.18 | frikinz | Do you guys know what competes with sharepoint under gnu/linux ? I'd like to install one before the windows admin orders his hehe.. |
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| 18:51.55 | jordanm | frikinz: any CMS system? |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | frikinz: you might have to describe what it does |
| 18:52.17 | frikinz | good question :) |
| 18:52.32 | jordanm | abrotman: people who buy don't even know what it does :P |
| 18:52.35 | abrotman | thought sharepoint was a collbaroratoin tool or somethin |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | no typing well today |
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| 18:53.09 | jordanm | abrotman: it is.. sort-of. its like building blocks for a collaboration tool.. like a CMS |
| 18:53.12 | frikinz | I thought it's only document handling. For collabortive I'll install gforge. |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | frikinz: maybe you should figure out what it does so we can help you find an alternative |
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| 18:53.45 | jordanm | frikinz: even better: your business needs for it |
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| 18:56.04 | boxxertrumps | jordanm: I "need" to be able to reattach the screen session that my s1.sh makes, if I run it using the skeleton as a base, that should still be possible? i'm mostly done editing the copy |
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| 18:56.18 | frikinz | Nobody has an idea :) Anyway I know gforge; i'll install it but it lacks document handling. for document handling I've only heard of spip. |
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| 18:56.47 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: start-stop-daemon can run the command as your user, which should be the same as doing su <user> -c on it |
| 18:57.07 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: you will have to add an additional option thats not in the default skel though |
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| 18:57.25 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: --chuid |
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| 18:58.25 | Vivek | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.30 | Vivek | Why am I getting the error found in this pastebin Why am I getting this error http://paste.debian.net/100585/ ? |
| 18:58.45 | Vivek | Thanks in Advance. |
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| 18:59.30 | jordanm | Vivek: please do not cross-post |
| 18:59.35 | jordanm | !tell Vivek about cross-post |
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| 19:00.13 | Vivek | jordanm: Where am I cross posting ? |
| 19:00.35 | jordanm | Vivek: #debian on irc.oftc.net, where i responded to your question |
| 19:00.51 | Vivek | jordanm: ok, I did not check there. |
| 19:00.58 | boxxertrumps | that's exactly what I needed to know, awesome |
| 19:01.10 | Vivek | jordanm: cross posting cannot happen across networks anyways. |
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| 19:01.44 | jordanm | Vivek: did you read the factoid to see what cross-posting meant in this context? |
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| 19:04.37 | Vivek | jordanm: yes, but I don't think it is valid in this context. |
| 19:04.48 | Vivek | I am getting to OFTC now. |
| 19:04.55 | jordanm | Vivek: it is very valid, and exactly the reason we made the factoid |
| 19:05.55 | sisif | Hey guys. Is there any way to re-map a rfkill event to a keyboard? Eg: Email hotkey to have the same action as wifi switch ? |
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| 19:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: Yes, if you know what code the wifi switch sends. |
| 19:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: Assuming it sends a keyboard code in the first place. |
| 19:06.50 | kraehe | is it possible to use `dpkg --set-selections` in a way, that the next update/upgrade also DELETES the unwanted packages? |
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| 19:07.44 | sisif | jhujhiti, can I private msg you for a minute? I want to ask you some more things, if that`s ok with you |
| 19:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | kraehe: Pretty sure the manpage explains how to do that. You can also mark packages to be uninstalled in the aptitude menu mode. |
| 19:08.29 | sisif | jhutchins_lt, can I private msg you for a minute? I want to ask you some more things, if that`s ok with you |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: If they're debian related you can ask here. |
| 19:08.59 | kraehe | *ah* jhutchins - found it - i need to clear-selections before set-selections |
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| 19:09.40 | boxxertrumps | jordanm, sorry for being a pain, but the script i'm using just starts a screen session, will I be able to attach that scren session once that script is started using the edited skeleton file? I should say, should it be possible? |
| 19:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: If you ask here there are more likely to be other people who know the answers. |
| 19:10.01 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: yes, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 19:10.21 | boxxertrumps | kickass. thanks again jordanm. |
| 19:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: Besides, I'm going to go do some housework. |
| 19:10.31 | jordanm | boxxertrumps: anytime |
| 19:10.40 | sisif | jhutchins_lt, it`s related to my previous question: so I know what the keyboard code and I want to remap it to another key. But somehow I can`t manage to actually do it. Maybe I`m missing something |
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| 19:13.50 | kevin01123 | Anyone here use debian stable on their desktop? |
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| 19:14.08 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: xmodmap? |
| 19:14.15 | jordanm | kevin01123: im sure plenty do |
| 19:14.18 | jhutchins_lt | kevin01123: Yeah, lots. |
| 19:14.19 | jordanm | !tell kevin01123 about anyone |
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| 19:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | kevin01123: Did you have a question about it? |
| 19:16.29 | kevin01123 | jhutchins_lt jordanm: I can't get squeeze to install because the installer won't continue because of missing kernel modules. I'm thinking of downloading the lenny iso and upgrading to squeeze that way, but I'm considering just staying on lenny to avoid the hassle. |
| 19:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | kevin01123: Just run lenny. It's a good system, especially if the object is to get work done with the computer as opposed to working on the computer. |
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| 19:17.38 | sisif | jhutchins_lt, yes, that one. But apparently it does not work |
| 19:17.48 | kevin01123 | jhutchins_lt: Alright, thank you. |
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| 19:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: I'm not really familiar with it, but if you post what specific commands you tried and what happened someone might figure it out. |
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| 19:21.27 | sisif | jhutchins_lt, I want to remap key 246 to key 156. And i`m not really sure how to do it. It seems that I can not map a keycode to another keycode. Only to a keyname .. |
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| 19:27.28 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 19:28.21 | robokop | hmm, if i f'ed up my rsync with forgetting to use --numeric-ids does the next rsync only change ids or does it restart the entire transfer |
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| 19:28.41 | catsup | robokop: it will just change ids |
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| 19:30.39 | robokop | catsup: thanks, that makes my day |
| 19:31.08 | catsup | easily pleased :) |
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| 19:32.55 | dokma | can anyone tell me what I need to put in /etc/network/interfaces to get this output of route -n : http://pastebin.com/LU5tDzzv |
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| 19:36.25 | dokma | I am fighting all day to get this machine to connect |
| 19:36.31 | dokma | and still nothing |
| 19:36.57 | cusco | some pos-script calling up route add bla |
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| 19:40.22 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 19:40.49 | kristian-aalborg | how much space should I keep free on a 2gb sdd to not have it acting weird? |
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| 19:41.23 | dokma | abrotman: I still cannot get the server connected |
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| 19:41.37 | abrotman | okay ? |
| 19:41.49 | dokma | abrotman: I'm getting a bit disheartened |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | man route ? |
| 19:42.06 | dokma | hehehe... |
| 19:42.09 | petemc | kristian-aalborg: whats a sdd? ext3 handles being full quite well, if thats what is uses |
| 19:42.17 | dokma | well... I've got nothing to lose |
| 19:42.24 | Boohemian | how do i view this file? it is in /opt/ i created it during a perl installer script, by mistake, i tried to delete what i wrote and got this stuff "ng^H^H^[[D/" -- that's the file name |
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| 19:43.15 | dokma | abrotman: do you know how to generate a interfaces file from the output of rounte -n ? |
| 19:43.23 | dokma | route -n that is |
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| 19:44.03 | abrotman | uhm .. the interfaces file won't do what you're looking for .. man route .. learn how to add a route |
| 19:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: I don't think that routing table is valid. |
| 19:44.29 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: How did you get it in the first place? |
| 19:44.36 | dokma | jhutchins: which one? |
| 19:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | The whole thing. |
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| 19:44.57 | dokma | the one from the pastebin? |
| 19:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: How about pasting your current interfaces file? |
| 19:45.12 | kristian-aalborg | petemc: ssd, sorry ;) |
| 19:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Yes. What is your gateway supposed to be? |
| 19:45.13 | dokma | jhutchins: sure |
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| 19:45.23 | dokma | jhutchins: you need a bit of background |
| 19:45.30 | dokma | because it's complicated |
| 19:45.40 | dokma | I did a raw copy of an old server to bare metal |
| 19:45.50 | dokma | the old server was on 89.149.209.209 |
| 19:45.56 | Boohemian | how do i view this file? it is in /opt/ i created it during a perl installer script, by mistake, i tried to delete what i wrote and got this stuff "ng^H^H^[[D/" -- that's the file name |
| 19:46.12 | dokma | the new is on 178.162.174.92 |
| 19:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: I use mc for things like that. |
| 19:46.24 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: mc? |
| 19:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: Yes. |
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| 19:46.35 | dokma | folks from the data center now rerouted 89.149.209.209 to point to the new server |
| 19:46.44 | dkr | Boohemian: less ng<tab> |
| 19:46.44 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: no entry for mc |
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| 19:46.54 | dokma | and now I need to set it up so that it works right |
| 19:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Do they provide dhcp or is it supposed to be static? |
| 19:47.13 | Boohemian | dkr: i can't, i tried to enter the ^ and debian lenny won't find it |
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| 19:47.19 | dokma | jhutchins: static |
| 19:47.29 | dokma | here's my current interfaces |
| 19:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Pastebin your interfaces file. |
| 19:47.32 | dkr | Boohemian: I didn't write ^ did I? :) |
| 19:47.45 | dkr | Boohemian: <tab> means hit your tab key |
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| 19:48.01 | Boohemian | dkr: when i press ng<tab> it just gives me the option to pick between that file, nginx/ and nginx-0.8.53/ folders |
| 19:48.04 | dokma | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/JKTTkkfz |
| 19:48.13 | Boohemian | dkr: sorry, i didn't let you know i have other ng* files/folders in /opt/ |
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| 19:48.37 | reavengrey | Stable + kernel-image-2.6.32-bdo from backports solved my problems :) |
| 19:48.40 | dkr | Boohemian: less ng[^i]* |
| 19:48.58 | reavengrey | Now have lenny with kernel 2.6.32 and my wifi drivers work. :) |
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| 19:49.16 | Quimby | hi there. i'm wondering if someone could help me with a routing setup. i'm trying to get a debian-based router (2.4-Kernel) to stop advertisting an alternative route via icmp redirect and instead route the traffic itself (although it's not the optimal route). how could i do that? i tried /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/send_redirects, but this seems to just disable the message and not route the packets |
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| 19:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: So youre trying to maintain both addresses. I would remove the route entries, except perhaps the default gateway. |
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| 19:49.58 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: If you do change the default gateway I'm not sure the 89 address is going to work. |
| 19:50.21 | ezraw | On one of our debian boxes, apt-get can't resolve ftp.us.debian.org (and a few other hosts), but I can resolve it immediately when I ping or nslookup. I googled around a bit but didn't find anything that seemed relevant. |
| 19:50.21 | dokma | one more think |
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| 19:50.29 | ezraw | anyone have any insight into that? |
| 19:50.40 | dokma | currently I am accessing the machine via live cd rescue system |
| 19:50.50 | Boohemian | dkr: less ng[^i]* is a directory |
| 19:51.02 | dokma | so I guess you could get some usefull info from route -n and ifconfig -a ?? |
| 19:51.03 | dkr | <Boohemian> how do i view this file? |
| 19:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | ezraw: Disable ipv6 |
| 19:51.22 | ezraw | jhutchins_lt: looking |
| 19:51.28 | Boohemian | dkr: i don't know? it was a log file that i created during a perl installer |
| 19:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: possibly, but you really just need to set up the new IP and change to it. |
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| 19:52.15 | ezraw | jhutchins_lt: can I do that without a reboot? |
| 19:52.20 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: I'd like to keep the old one but at the moment I'd take anything just to get into the machine |
| 19:52.47 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: do you know how the interfaces should look for just the new address? |
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| 19:54.05 | abrotman | dokma: man route .. you CANNOT do it in the interfaces file |
| 19:54.12 | abrotman | is pretty sure he's said that a few times |
| 19:54.30 | dokma | abrotman: I cannot get out of this by reading the manual |
| 19:54.35 | dokma | I need some live human help |
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| 20:03.45 | kusanagi | is there a way to bring a window to foreground knowing its pid? |
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| 20:04.24 | ezraw | ls |
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| 20:04.54 | zinx | kusanagi: no, not really |
| 20:05.06 | zinx | kusanagi: X has no idea what pids are what |
| 20:05.21 | kusanagi | zinx thats what i thought :S |
| 20:05.22 | zinx | (the clients may not even be running on the same machine as the server) |
| 20:05.35 | kusanagi | what the X know about the process then? |
| 20:05.58 | zinx | class/name/title/hostname/window id |
| 20:06.06 | dokma | abrotman: so you know what is wrong with my setup but you won't just say it? |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | man route! |
| 20:06.27 | dokma | abrotman: man don't be such a bot |
| 20:06.32 | dokma | I'm exhausted |
| 20:06.51 | kusanagi | zinx so xkill for example just get the window id... not the process? |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | setup the one IP, the main IP, with your interfaces file |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | that should be obvious .. |
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| 20:07.32 | dokma | abrotman: well... I'm failing to do even that |
| 20:07.37 | abrotman | you can also add an interface alias to get the second IP setup (do NOT add a route there) |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | man interfaces ? that's pretty easy |
| 20:07.58 | kusanagi | the relationship is pid-> windows id, isnt it zinx? |
| 20:08.16 | kusanagi | with the windows id you can definetly kill the pid |
| 20:08.32 | dokma | abrotman: I'll show my attemp when the rescue comes up again |
| 20:08.37 | dokma | I also tried to setup the main ip |
| 20:08.49 | kusanagi | maybe is there a way to list the windows id and search there? |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | dokma: better hurry, i'm leaving in about 20 minutes |
| 20:09.44 | zinx | kusanagi: no |
| 20:09.58 | zinx | kusanagi: the relationship is X connection <-> X window id(s) |
| 20:10.13 | dokma | I started the rescue |
| 20:10.13 | zinx | kusanagi: you can't kill a process by killing the window, but the process might exit when the window is killed. |
| 20:10.18 | dokma | it will be up in 2 mins |
| 20:10.43 | kusanagi | ic, thanks zinx |
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| 20:12.42 | kusanagi | anyway, there must be a list somewhere with all the Xwindows ids zinx |
| 20:12.46 | Rotham | hey... I have been messing around with linux (mostly ubuntu) for awhile, and want to learn it properly... What are some good books/resources for this? |
| 20:13.05 | kusanagi | the Xserver has to handle its own windows and had to carry a list somwhere |
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| 20:13.59 | kusanagi | Rotham, search for lpi certification |
| 20:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | Rotham: SAG |
| 20:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | Whoops, that was the old laptop |
| 20:14.48 | kusanagi | the agenda of the certification is pretty basic |
| 20:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: We're just fellow users here who may have been through what you're doing before. |
| 20:15.14 | Rotham | cool thanks |
| 20:15.19 | Rotham | ill check those out |
| 20:15.21 | dokma | I appreciate... |
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| 20:15.50 | jhutchins_lt | Rotham: The System Administrator's Guide on http://tldp.org is good. |
| 20:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | Rotham: o'Relly's Running Linux is good but Red Hat oriented. |
| 20:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: This might be useful for you: |
| 20:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | !networking |
| 20:18.46 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>. |
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| 20:19.02 | dokma | I'll check it out |
| 20:19.31 | Queops | Guys, I was installing with USB drive, but It installed GRUB on it instead of the harddrive where Debian was installed. how can i avoid that |
| 20:20.25 | krisfremen | Queops: it should ask you where to install grub |
| 20:20.47 | Queops | Netinstall included? |
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| 20:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Did you use netbootin? |
| 20:22.09 | Queops | Yes I did. |
| 20:22.13 | kusanagi | ok zinx i managed to get the windows id... is there a way to bring it foreground now? |
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| 20:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | Did the same thing to me. squeeze, right? |
| 20:22.34 | Queops | What you mena squeeze :O |
| 20:22.36 | Queops | mean* |
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| 20:22.57 | kusanagi | zinx, i used xwininfo -root -tree |grep -i application |
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| 20:23.48 | zinx | kusanagi: try wmctrl |
| 20:23.48 | dokma | abrotman: my last attempt: http://pastebin.com/muceQjeE |
| 20:24.03 | zinx | kusanagi: .. it can select by stuff like class and title such too |
| 20:24.47 | abrotman | dokma: seriously? wtf .. where is your sys admin ? |
| 20:25.02 | dokma | I don't have one |
| 20:25.14 | dokma | I learned my self all that I know |
| 20:25.21 | dokma | by trying and failing |
| 20:25.27 | dokma | and networking is my weak spot |
| 20:25.39 | dokma | and I need to solve this before I collapse of exhaustion |
| 20:25.48 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: whats the solution then |
| 20:25.51 | dokma | haven't slept or eaten in a while |
| 20:26.08 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: squeeze == testing is the version of Debian that's not released yet. |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | dokma: your gateway is in the same network as your IP .. that is going to cause you an issue |
| 20:26.28 | abrotman | erm .. gateway is *not* in ... stupid brain |
| 20:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | I just re-ran grub install - the system booted to the right disk, but wouldn't boot without the USB drive. |
| 20:26.52 | dokma | I see |
| 20:27.00 | dokma | I guess it needs to be set using a route then? |
| 20:27.11 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: wierd but I choose netinstall stable |
| 20:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: How about if you take a moment and read those network configuration guides? |
| 20:27.29 | Queops | So should I get another iso or something |
| 20:27.30 | dokma | I am just a bit too exhausted |
| 20:27.33 | dokma | can you solve this? |
| 20:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: No, you almost never need to user route unless you have a wierd network configuration. |
| 20:27.39 | dokma | I'll read them tomorrow |
| 20:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Only if you want your system up tomorrow. |
| 20:28.06 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he does |
| 20:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | ... as opposed to today. |
| 20:28.34 | dokma | I am reading the guides all the time |
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| 20:28.46 | dokma | are you guys pulling my nose for fun? |
| 20:28.58 | dokma | is it so hard to understand that I am at the brink of collapse |
| 20:29.03 | dokma | and need some human assistance |
| 20:29.16 | dokma | in the form of do this and that |
| 20:29.22 | dokma | instead of read this and that manual |
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| 20:31.00 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.14 | dokma | I am reading it |
| 20:31.44 | catsup | dokma: does it work if you add a host route? |
| 20:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: I think you just need a simple static configuration with no routing commands. |
| 20:32.01 | dokma | catsup: I don't know how to add a host route |
| 20:32.16 | kusanagi | zinx amazing :D |
| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: He doesn't need to mess with routing, just a basic static conf. |
| 20:32.20 | catsup | why is you IP on another network from the gateay? |
| 20:32.25 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: did you check my last pastebin? |
| 20:32.32 | kusanagi | zinx wmctrl -i -a <windows id> did the trick |
| 20:32.33 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: yeah, probably, but wtf is with those numbers? |
| 20:32.38 | kusanagi | :D:D:D:D:D |
| 20:33.07 | catsup | conventionally the gateway would be 178.162.174.1 |
| 20:33.08 | dokma | catsup: I don't know this is the setup that the guys from the datacenter gave me |
| 20:33.11 | catsup | why isn't it? |
| 20:33.20 | catsup | dokma: well it looks like it is wrong |
| 20:33.33 | kusanagi | thank you very much zinx, ive been looking for something like that for quite some time |
| 20:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: The gateway is unreachable - it's not on your network. |
| 20:33.35 | catsup | dokma: maybe you can get them to double check it |
| 20:33.36 | dokma | I can try with 178.162.174.1 |
| 20:33.39 | abrotman | i said that ... |
| 20:34.17 | kusanagi | zinx, wow, even "wmctrl -a applicationame" worked! |
| 20:35.13 | dokma | current attempt: http://pastebin.com/d43aHPf8 |
| 20:35.16 | dokma | to reboot? |
| 20:35.21 | catsup | heh, don't reboot |
| 20:35.32 | catsup | just ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 20:35.54 | dokma | catsup: the thing is right now I'm on the machine in rescue mode |
| 20:36.15 | dokma | it's in the datacenter and right now it's booted using their 'rescure mode' |
| 20:36.25 | dokma | that's the only way I can access it |
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| 20:36.34 | catsup | chroot into the root fs and use ifup |
| 20:36.34 | dokma | when I reboot normally I just can't get into the machine |
| 20:36.40 | catsup | oh wait |
| 20:36.42 | catsup | what |
| 20:36.47 | catsup | is the machine actually on the network now? |
| 20:36.51 | dokma | yes |
| 20:36.54 | catsup | you're sshing in? |
| 20:36.58 | dokma | yes |
| 20:37.00 | catsup | haha |
| 20:37.13 | catsup | so just use dhcp |
| 20:37.23 | dokma | to do what |
| 20:37.23 | catsup | or, copy the values you get from dhcp |
| 20:37.36 | catsup | the rescue cd is using dhcp to get an ip (presumably) |
| 20:37.37 | dokma | how is that done? never done it |
| 20:37.46 | dokma | it does have an empty interfaces |
| 20:37.54 | dokma | so it might be that it uses dhcp |
| 20:38.02 | dokma | how can I fetch info from dhcp |
| 20:38.05 | catsup | pastebin the output of this command: 'ifconfig eth0; route -n' |
| 20:38.18 | dokma | sure |
| 20:38.36 | dokma | Ill do ifconfig -a; route -n |
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| 20:39.15 | dokma | http://pastebin.com/wPXXxTa7 |
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| 20:40.47 | dokma | catsup: so route -n does say that the gateway is 217.20.117.1 ??? |
| 20:41.10 | catsup | yes |
| 20:41.22 | dokma | so how should I fix that interfaces file? |
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| 20:41.29 | dokma | you can edit it in the pastebin |
| 20:41.47 | catsup | ok, first of all, your netmask is 255.255.255.240 not 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:42.42 | catsup | second, add this line: up route add -net 217.20.117.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 20:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | But if the interfaces is on the 178 network, it's going to need a gateway that's on the same network, the 217 gateway won't work. |
| 20:43.15 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: there's a route to two networks on the device |
| 20:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | He needs a gateway from the 178 network to the 217 network if he's going to route through it. |
| 20:43.55 | catsup | what? he just needs a route to the default route |
| 20:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Right, but the 178 network can't route through the 217 network unless there's a gateway! |
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| 20:44.21 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: No, he needs a gateway to the network that has the internet gateway. |
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| 20:44.38 | catsup | he doesn't need a gateway if he has a direct route in the routing table |
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| 20:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | Class A 178 and 217 networks can't be on the same subnet. |
| 20:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
| 20:45.05 | jhutchins_lt | Go ahead and play with the routing table. You'll be at it for a while. |
| 20:45.06 | dokma | and you were expecting me to figure that from reading manuals |
| 20:45.09 | dokma | disgusting |
| 20:45.13 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: did you see the routing table he has, that works? |
| 20:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | When you find out what the actual gateway for the 178 network is you'll be able to get it working. |
| 20:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | I'm gonna go do laundry |
| 20:45.31 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: please... |
| 20:45.56 | dokma | catsup: would you be incredibly kind and edit the interfaces at the pastebin? |
| 20:45.59 | catsup | i'm really no networking expert here, but afaics the manual route will reproduce the working table he has now |
| 20:46.21 | dokma | catsup: I'm way to bad at this and each time I make a mistake I spend 10 minutes waiting for the rescue to come up |
| 20:46.54 | catsup | dokma: ok |
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| 20:47.11 | dokma | great |
| 20:47.28 | catsup | i can't guarantee it will work, jhutchins_lt has me scared :p |
| 20:48.05 | nathwill | ip route show 0.0.0.0/0 should show ya the gateway... |
| 20:48.36 | dokma | nathwill: thanks! I'll try when the machine comes up again |
| 20:48.45 | Queops | =) |
| 20:48.55 | nathwill | hope it helps... |
| 20:49.20 | catsup | nathwill: he already pasted route -n output |
| 20:49.23 | nathwill | not much for creating manual routes, but that's what i use to find the gateway for my remote-fs mounting script. |
| 20:49.23 | nathwill | ah |
| 20:49.37 | nathwill | i'll have to pay more attn. |
| 20:49.47 | catsup | oh lucky i double checked, what i said earlier got the two netmasks mixed up |
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| 20:50.01 | megana | how do I get xf86-video-intel 2.10.0? |
| 20:50.03 | dokma | catsup: you editing on the pastebin? |
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| 20:50.30 | catsup | http://pastebin.com/Kph2fQLR |
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| 20:51.12 | catsup | ooh wait |
| 20:51.16 | catsup | no |
| 20:51.20 | catsup | that has the wrong gateway |
| 20:52.02 | dokma | :D |
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| 20:52.17 | catsup | http://pastebin.com/Xf4va6Zx |
| 20:52.38 | kusanagi | when i add a repository to sources.list, if there are conflicts with some package (and by that i mean two different versions of the same package) how the system know what version should it use? |
| 20:52.58 | catsup | dokma: so all i did to your original pastebin was add the 'route' line |
| 20:53.10 | megana | how do I get experimental packages??? |
| 20:53.34 | qq- | !experimental |
| 20:53.34 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 20:53.35 | catsup | but make sure the gateway is right, because you tried changing it (change it back) |
| 20:53.38 | megana | I have lenny, but I need xf86-video-intel 2.10.0 |
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| 20:53.52 | dokma | trying right now |
| 20:53.59 | catsup | it should work afaik |
| 20:54.05 | devilchaos | Hi folks |
| 20:54.11 | megana | okay thanks qq |
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| 20:54.45 | megana | qq, would video drivers be in the x11 section? |
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| 20:56.20 | dokma | catsup: rebooted |
| 20:56.52 | catsup | ...and? |
| 20:57.13 | dokma | waiting to see if I get connectivity |
| 20:57.22 | catsup | hm |
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| 20:58.11 | catsup | thinking it over, heh |
| 20:58.30 | dokma | let me show you the one that worked with the old ip |
| 20:58.42 | catsup | ok |
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| 20:58.48 | megana | how do I make dpkg resolve experimental dependencies? |
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| 20:59.23 | n00b__ | hello Everyone!!! I am new to debian and is facing few problems 1) Unable to mount ntfs disks though ntfs-3g already installed and 2) wlan0 or wireless network is not showing |
| 21:00.07 | dokma | catsup: http://pastebin.com/Q9QD2tnT |
| 21:00.14 | dokma | the first part worked with the old ip |
| 21:00.49 | catsup | oh shit |
| 21:01.02 | dokma | no connection still |
| 21:01.11 | dokma | does it look a bit too much? |
| 21:01.12 | cahoot | !tell n00b__ about wifi |
| 21:01.17 | catsup | no |
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| 21:01.32 | catsup | i just saw that route add default gw line |
| 21:01.48 | dokma | isn't that the same like gateway line? |
| 21:01.50 | catsup | the new config just has a 'gateway' line |
| 21:02.08 | devilchaos | !tell n00b__ about ntfs |
| 21:02.18 | catsup | well, i hope so. maybe ifup won't accept it though. (why wasn't a gateway line used in the old config?) |
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| 21:02.41 | dokma | don't know I'm very bad at networking |
| 21:02.49 | dokma | starting rescue again |
| 21:02.57 | sameer666 | networking ?? |
| 21:03.09 | catsup | can you force a remote reboot |
| 21:03.30 | catsup | maybe you could be testing this otherwise |
| 21:03.34 | sameer666 | catsup wat u mean force ? |
| 21:03.45 | dokma | catsup: reboot and rescue |
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| 21:03.58 | dokma | I've tried reboot but get no connection on the server after that |
| 21:03.59 | catsup | but uh, that other config looks basically like what you have now |
| 21:04.20 | catsup | i think you should be talking to your upstream |
| 21:04.20 | dokma | to me too except that one line you mentioned |
| 21:04.32 | dokma | they don't offer software support |
| 21:04.37 | catsup | dokma: i mean, if you are running the rescue cd, you can force it to reboot even if you break the network, right? |
| 21:04.42 | sameer666 | anyone using freeradius ? |
| 21:04.50 | dokma | catsup: yes |
| 21:04.53 | catsup | ok |
| 21:05.03 | catsup | is this rescue cd using dhcp? |
| 21:05.15 | dokma | I don't know |
| 21:05.20 | dokma | how can I verify that? |
| 21:05.36 | catsup | ps aux|grep dhclient |
| 21:05.51 | dokma | let me try |
| 21:05.55 | dokma | logging in rescue mode |
| 21:06.42 | dokma | catsup no dhclient running |
| 21:06.47 | catsup | (what is the rescue cd? debian installer?) |
| 21:07.32 | dokma | it's something the created for the datacenter |
| 21:07.32 | sameer666 | catsup rescue cd is a rescue cd :D |
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| 21:07.41 | dokma | it's hard for me to tell what it actually is |
| 21:07.57 | dokma | the kernel mentions grml all the time |
| 21:08.03 | dokma | I've checked it on the net before |
| 21:08.21 | catsup | ah, grml |
| 21:08.26 | dokma | http://grml.org/kernel/ |
| 21:08.27 | catsup | i use grml too |
| 21:08.30 | dokma | what is grml? |
| 21:08.37 | catsup | a debian-based livecd |
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| 21:08.53 | catsup | ps aux |grep pump |
| 21:08.56 | catsup | it uses pump instead of dhclient |
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| 21:09.19 | catsup | uh, it's almost certainly getting its configuration from dhcp |
| 21:09.25 | catsup | in which case you should just use that |
| 21:09.34 | dokma | no pump either |
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| 21:09.40 | catsup | oh... |
| 21:10.10 | songer__ | i just install debian but can't connect to internet |
| 21:10.20 | catsup | dokma: who made the cd? |
| 21:10.28 | songer__ | ethernet and wireless |
| 21:10.40 | Queops | Ok I'm at the GRUB part of the install |
| 21:10.50 | dokma | I don't know this. I've used one machine from this dc for a few years and never had problems till this hardware move |
| 21:10.50 | Queops | Just asks if i want to install it to the MBR |
| 21:10.56 | Queops | doesnt let me choose where to |
| 21:11.05 | dokma | I see this thought: /usr/sbin/grml-iptstate |
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| 21:11.38 | dokma | and /usr/bin/grml-init-multitail |
| 21:12.14 | catsup | nevermind those |
| 21:13.11 | dokma | there is grml-network |
| 21:13.11 | songer__ | some help to connet to insternent in fresh debian? |
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| 21:13.31 | Queops | And some help to actually have a chance at installing GRUB correctly? :P |
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| 21:14.20 | catsup | dokma: grml-network is running?? |
| 21:14.30 | dokma | I can start it |
| 21:14.39 | dokma | it's one of the host of grml-* stuff |
| 21:14.42 | catsup | yeah |
| 21:14.45 | catsup | it's a configuration command |
| 21:15.08 | catsup | what's /proc/cmdline say? |
| 21:15.27 | songer__ | how can i connet to internet? |
| 21:15.45 | joltcan | songer__: Seems to me like you already have :) |
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| 21:16.05 | robs58 | Greetings all! |
| 21:16.26 | songer__ | no in the machine whre just instal debian joltcan |
| 21:17.04 | dokma | catsup: I messed my conn with grml-network |
| 21:17.14 | dokma | restarting the grml live cd |
| 21:17.41 | joltcan | songer__: Well, first you probably have to tell us what kind of internet connection you have |
| 21:17.57 | songer__ | ethernet |
| 21:17.59 | joltcan | songer__: Since I'm all out of batteries in my telepathic thinking hat |
| 21:18.23 | joltcan | songer__: So, do you have a DHCP-server on the network? In that case it should get an address |
| 21:18.25 | robs58 | Anyone feel brave enough to take a techie (telnet related) questin? :) |
| 21:18.33 | robs58 | er, question... |
| 21:18.36 | catsup | robs58: just ask |
| 21:18.43 | robs58 | k |
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| 21:19.08 | songer__ | i plug the ethernet cable and nothing happes joltcan |
| 21:19.13 | Queops | I'll ask again: how do I make debian not to install GRUB into the USB drive and make it install to the HDD instead? |
| 21:19.32 | Queops | songer__: do you have a router or modem only? |
| 21:19.36 | catsup | Queops: editing the grub config will do the trick |
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| 21:19.43 | joltcan | songer__: switch to another terminal and use dmesg to see if the installer recognices your network card |
| 21:19.51 | Queops | catsup: i'm in the middle of the installation, i shouldn't need that T_T |
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| 21:20.05 | catsup | Queops: maybe not, but it will work |
| 21:20.27 | Queops | Thing is, if I let things run as the installer plans I will get "no operating system found" when i boot up. |
| 21:20.38 | catsup | Queops: just do the installation, skip the grub part, chroot to the system in the shell on virtual console 4, edit the grub config, and run grub |
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| 21:21.14 | Queops | so... I skip grub.. |
| 21:21.16 | catsup | once grub succeeds, you can reboot |
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| 21:21.29 | Queops | After installation it will boot windows 7, what do I do then? |
| 21:21.32 | catsup | yeah, don't install grub using the installer; install it manually in the shell; then you have full control |
| 21:21.33 | robs58A | I am unable to telnet from my server to any other server. I am not even able to "telnet localhost" succesfully. I did verify the xinetd daemon is working/enabled. 23/telent is correctly listed in /etc/services. However, when I do a netstat -napt the telnet service/port 23 are NOT listed like they are supposed to be. Any ideas? |
| 21:21.44 | catsup | oh, you want it to dual boot |
| 21:21.52 | Queops | Oh yes, I missed saying that lol |
| 21:21.59 | joltcan | robs58A: I know this is another discussion, but why on earth are you using telnet instead of ssh? |
| 21:22.00 | catsup | i myself don't know anything about dual booting windows |
| 21:22.01 | Queops | Kinda the purpose of not screwing this up :x |
| 21:22.07 | catsup | however |
| 21:22.14 | Queops | Works great, just dont need the pendrive with GRUB lol |
| 21:22.25 | robs58A | joltcan....its a long story...but suffice it to say that its necessary... |
| 21:22.25 | Queops | Its funny because it detects i have win7 |
| 21:22.27 | joltcan | robs58A: see if telnet is listening to all interfaces by using netstat -anp|grep telnet and see what it says |
| 21:22.29 | songer__ | joltcan: in the instalation asked me what netweork cards i'll use for the installation and i select wireless but it was ethernet too |
| 21:22.29 | Queops | and it installs on the USB |
| 21:22.38 | catsup | i know that at least previous versions of windows actually allowed you to boot linux from windows boot loader, which you might want to try |
| 21:22.57 | Queops | I'm fine with GRUB doing that, |
| 21:23.00 | Queops | What if.. |
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| 21:23.14 | Queops | I install it witouth GRUB, run the installation again and go to the shell |
| 21:23.20 | Queops | Can I type something that would help me? |
| 21:23.28 | catsup | you don't need to run the installation again |
| 21:23.31 | robs58A | joltcan...when I grep for telnet, nothing is returned. Its not there |
| 21:23.31 | joltcan | songer__: Can't you just go back in the installation? |
| 21:23.41 | Queops | I can access the shell right now, I pressed go back |
| 21:23.50 | joltcan | robs58A: sorry, my bad. grep for xinet |
| 21:24.00 | joltcan | robs58A: since that is what will start telnet for you |
| 21:24.06 | songer__ | joltcan: its all ready done |
| 21:24.10 | Queops | catsup: I dont? :o |
| 21:24.12 | robs58A | joltcan...can I PM you? hard to keep up on the rolling screen |
| 21:24.13 | catsup | Queops: you never need to reinstall to fix a configuration issue |
| 21:24.15 | joltcan | robs58A: it should listen to 0.0.0.0:23 if working |
| 21:24.17 | joltcan | robs58A: sure |
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| 21:24.24 | songer__ | alredy done joltcan |
| 21:24.27 | Queops | I didnt meant to reinstall, just to access the shell |
| 21:24.31 | catsup | oh |
| 21:24.36 | catsup | yeah |
| 21:24.40 | Queops | After completing install witouth GRUB |
| 21:24.44 | Queops | because it allows somehow.. |
| 21:24.45 | catsup | uh |
| 21:24.45 | catsup | no |
| 21:25.02 | Queops | So basically is there anything I can do while installing now? |
| 21:25.06 | catsup | yes |
| 21:25.11 | Queops | Ah *breathes* |
| 21:25.16 | Queops | Guide me kind sir. |
| 21:25.16 | catsup | you don't need to reboot to do it |
| 21:25.27 | catsup | if you press alt-f4 you will have a shell |
| 21:25.28 | Queops | Or mam. |
| 21:25.39 | Queops | Yeh or "go back" also works |
| 21:25.40 | Queops | lol |
| 21:25.59 | Queops | Theres an entry "Execute a shell" |
| 21:26.07 | catsup | ok |
| 21:26.10 | Queops | I still need to "finish the installation after this |
| 21:26.18 | Queops | Is that correct? |
| 21:26.31 | catsup | um |
| 21:26.39 | catsup | probably not a bad idea |
| 21:26.45 | Queops | Ok so what to do know? |
| 21:26.59 | Queops | Oh theres a warning.. |
| 21:27.25 | Queops | Ah just some info. Type exit go back here to install ok lol |
| 21:27.38 | catsup | in the shell, make sure your installation is mounted, (type mount, if you see /target listed, that's where it's mounted) |
| 21:28.06 | catsup | Queops: you're new to linux? try pressing the left alt key and the right and left arrow keys, a few times |
| 21:28.13 | Queops | There's alot of them. |
| 21:28.26 | Queops | Yeh you could say I'm new. |
| 21:28.43 | Queops | What is that for? lol |
| 21:28.48 | catsup | virtual consoles |
| 21:29.05 | Queops | OH :OOOO |
| 21:29.08 | Queops | Handy dandy |
| 21:29.09 | catsup | you can access a shell and run the installer simultaneously |
| 21:29.19 | Queops | Epic. |
| 21:29.23 | catsup | anyway, is /target mounted? |
| 21:29.23 | Queops | Thanks for the tip |
| 21:29.25 | Queops | Anyway |
| 21:29.34 | Queops | theres a bunch of them hold on |
| 21:29.58 | Queops | tmpfs on /target/dev |
| 21:30.03 | Queops | dev sdb3 on /target |
| 21:30.05 | catsup | yeah ok |
| 21:30.20 | catsup | type 'chroot /target bin/bash' |
| 21:30.39 | catsup | then you're running a shell in your installed system |
| 21:30.44 | Queops | root@debian |
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| 21:30.54 | Queops | Correct it seems. |
| 21:31.02 | catsup | from there you need to get grub installed |
| 21:31.19 | Queops | Keep in mind this was a netinstall, if it messes up something? |
| 21:31.28 | Queops | I saw it downloading grub anyhow. |
| 21:31.29 | catsup | that makes no difference |
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| 21:31.33 | Queops | Yeh ok :P |
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| 21:31.52 | catsup | not sure i can walk you through it... i don't even use grub |
| 21:31.59 | Queops | :X |
| 21:32.09 | songer__ | joltcan: http://paste.debian.net/100597/ |
| 21:32.14 | catsup | but you know, type 'man grub', and you will have lots of info :) |
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| 21:33.00 | catsup | but uh, you probably just need to change your boot partition |
| 21:33.03 | catsup | in the config file |
| 21:33.22 | robs58A | I htink joltcan got busy doing something else...so I will ask the question again: I am unable to telnet from my server to any other server. I am not even able to "telnet localhost" succesfully. I did verify the xinetd daemon is working/enabled. 23/telent is correctly listed in /etc/services. However, when I do a netstat -napt the telnet service/port 23 are NOT listed like they are supposed |
| 21:33.22 | robs58A | to be. Any ideas? |
| 21:33.27 | Queops | the install config file right? because i dint install grub yet lol |
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| 21:34.00 | catsup | the grub config file |
| 21:34.25 | Queops | Where is that? |
| 21:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: Did you actually install a telnet server? |
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| 21:34.40 | catsup | 'install grub' can mean two different things - installing the grub package (that should be done already, if not, apt-get install grub) - and installing grub on the bootloader |
| 21:35.02 | robs58A | jhuthcins...I installed/activated xinetd |
| 21:35.13 | Queops | I confirm GRUB is installed. |
| 21:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: xinetd doesn't provide any services, it just controls connections to them. |
| 21:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: Telnet, being a notoriously insecure protocol, is not installed by default. not even the client iirc. |
| 21:36.54 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: Also, you won't see it listening on port 23 because it's not there until xinetd starts it. |
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| 21:37.01 | Queops | catsup: will 'install grub' explode my computer before i have a say in anything or should we change something first? lol |
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| 21:37.09 | robs58 | am back |
| 21:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | grub-install is a wrapper that writes the MBR for grub. |
| 21:37.48 | jhutchins_lt | robs58: xinetd doesn't provide any services, it just controls connections to them. |
| 21:37.56 | catsup | Queops: i'm really not the person to ask for grub questions... |
| 21:38.00 | jhutchins_lt | robs58: Telnet, being a notoriously insecure protocol, is not installed by default. not even the client iirc. |
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| 21:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | robs58: Also, you won't see it listening on port 23 because it's not there until xinetd starts it. |
| 21:38.10 | Queops | catsup: np, i'll ask someone else. |
| 21:38.24 | Queops | Anyone profficient with GRUB that could give me a quick hand? |
| 21:38.32 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Generally just ask the channel. |
| 21:38.34 | reavengrey | Hi, I got my wlan0 interface to be recognized by the kernel: it needed firmware. |
| 21:38.55 | reavengrey | I have a home network with a router that connects to the internet |
| 21:39.02 | sameer666 | y use xinetd ? |
| 21:39.02 | reavengrey | To bring wlan0 up, I do: |
| 21:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Ask your actual question. It's scrolled out of the buffer with all the chatter. |
| 21:39.27 | Queops | Ah my bad |
| 21:39.33 | reavengrey | sudo ifconfig wlan0 inet up 192.168.1.46 |
| 21:39.58 | reavengrey | The interface comes up nicely, but I can't ping the router |
| 21:40.02 | reavengrey | So I added a route: |
| 21:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: Because that conserves resources by not actually starting the servers until they're needed, and acts as a gateway to control who can use the service. |
| 21:40.25 | reavengrey | sudo route add default 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | reavengrey: Are you running debian? |
| 21:40.29 | Queops | Basically I'm trying to install GRUB to my HDD instead of the USB drive (where i'm installing debian from). At the moment i'm at the middle of the installation with the shell open. |
| 21:40.31 | reavengrey | Yes, lenny |
| 21:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | reavengrey: How did you configure sudo? |
| 21:40.52 | reavengrey | I haven't configured sudo |
| 21:41.01 | reavengrey | It's the same way it was a t install |
| 21:41.09 | reavengrey | The installation is pretty fresh |
| 21:41.14 | songer__ | help how can i connect to internet |
| 21:41.18 | sameer666 | jhutchins_lt: so can it work as to block ips? |
| 21:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: You need to boot to the installed system or chroot to it and run grub-install. |
| 21:41.51 | songer__ | i plug the dsl cable to laptop but dos't connect |
| 21:41.56 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: Yes, and provide additional logging and such. |
| 21:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | songer__: Perhaps you should configure your networking. |
| 21:42.35 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: I'm chroot'd to it atm. I'm not sure grub will install to it and instead do the same it did on the normal installation proccess |
| 21:42.48 | sameer666 | jhutchins_lt: y not use iptables instead ? |
| 21:42.49 | songer__ | cuold you help me, jhutchins_lt |
| 21:42.52 | jhutchins_lt | grub-install 0 give it a try. |
| 21:43.00 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: It's a different process. |
| 21:43.32 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_Wrapper |
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| 21:43.53 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: do you mean 'install grub 0'? |
| 21:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell songer__ about networking |
| 21:44.29 | songer__ | yes to get internet connection jhutchins_lt |
| 21:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: No, that's why I keep saying grub-install, not install grub. grub-install is a wrapper that will help you write the MBR. |
| 21:44.45 | Queops | Yeh doesn't exist lol |
| 21:44.54 | Queops | ah wait |
| 21:45.04 | Queops | My bad. |
| 21:45.15 | songer__ | and configure my ethernet connection and wireless connection |
| 21:45.33 | sameer666 | any one good with freeradius ? |
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| 21:46.04 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: Gives me a warning about sbin and should be calling usr/sbin instead |
| 21:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | reavengrey: If you haven't configured sudo then your sudo commands are failing. On the other hand, if you're running ubuntu then what we tell you will trash your system. |
| 21:46.15 | Queops | Anything to worry about? |
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| 21:46.23 | robs58A | am back |
| 21:46.32 | Queops | (btw commendation to jhutchins_lt that is helping 3 people at once lol) |
| 21:46.44 | songer__ | jhutchins_lt: dmesg http://paste.debian.net/100597/ |
| 21:46.55 | robs58A | wow! ubuntu kudos to jh |
| 21:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | songer__: Just use su - to become root rather than sudo until you get sudo set up. |
| 21:47.46 | songer__ | and then jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Not sure, it could be because you're in a chroot from the installer that your path is different. |
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| 21:48.15 | robs58A | IRC proves that it *IS* possible to be in two places at the same time! |
| 21:48.21 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: anyhow 0 isnt recognized as "install_device" parameter, any way I cna retrieve those? |
| 21:49.00 | jhutchins_lt | songer__: You should have a message from dpkg that points to step by step guides for setting up networking. You probably get a DHCP configuration from your router, so try that first. |
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| 21:49.37 | jhutchins_lt | grub-install /dev/sda is the most common usage. Is sda your boot drive? |
| 21:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: fdisk -l should show possible devices. |
| 21:49.55 | Queops | Ah bingo, i think its something like that, let me check |
| 21:50.30 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: Did you get anywhere? |
| 21:50.51 | Queops | hehe it isnt. it's the pendrive! that's whats probably messing the normal installer, its assuming HDD is sda when its sdb |
| 21:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | robs58A: Is telnet your actual goal? |
| 21:51.03 | Queops | Will this way recognize my installation of win7 jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: you may need to run update-grub once you get the system working. |
| 21:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: When I booted my squeeze install, it would boot to the installation, but the USB drive had to be present. |
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| 21:52.04 | Queops | Yeh right. Cheers mate, ill try that |
| 21:52.08 | Queops | Many kudos to you |
| 21:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: So the grub configuration points to the drive that's correct when booted without the installer. |
| 21:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: But you point grub-install to whatever the correct drive is now. |
| 21:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | songer__: Making sense? |
| 21:53.47 | Queops | Should I continue to "Continue witouth boot loader" or jump to "finish the installation" step? |
| 21:55.03 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Not sure where you ended up, I'd go with "continue without". I guess I missed what the original error was. |
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| 21:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | I thought you were in rescue mode, not in the middle of the installer. |
| 21:55.49 | Queops | Oh no lol, i said i was installing debian normally. |
| 21:56.04 | Queops | Yeh I was just not sure if continue witouth had any extra steps |
| 21:56.09 | Queops | Won't harm i guess. |
| 21:56.42 | Queops | I'll tell you how it went. |
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| 21:57.15 | Queops | Omg.. |
| 21:57.25 | Queops | Yes it booted... but now i'm in grub |
| 21:57.29 | Queops | Lol. |
| 21:57.42 | Queops | Never worked with this, what should I do jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:57.57 | Queops | At least it installed into the HDD. :P |
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| 21:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | It should have a default after a time-out. |
| 21:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | I am SO weak with the grub shell. |
| 21:58.28 | Queops | No i'm in GRUB shell or something |
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| 21:59.09 | Queops | Why the heck it didnt add an entry for debian at least.. *cry* |
| 21:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | Did it show you a meny when you booted? |
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| 21:59.21 | jhutchins_lt | menu? |
| 21:59.22 | Queops | Nope, just this grub console |
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| 22:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | Do you have a seperate boot partition, or just /? |
| 22:00.34 | Queops | I just chroot to the /target when installing |
| 22:00.38 | Queops | and made that grub-install |
| 22:00.50 | Queops | And... |
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| 22:01.01 | Queops | When partitioning I putted all in the same, as recommended. |
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| 22:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, which is your root partition? |
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| 22:01.45 | Queops | argh. ur.... sdb3 or something |
| 22:01.50 | Queops | not sure lol |
| 22:02.15 | Queops | I remember I had 2 windows ones |
| 22:02.27 | Queops | so this installer makes more 2 i believe |
| 22:02.31 | Queops | one for swap one for the rest? |
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| 22:02.47 | Queops | shouldnt have more than 4 on the harddrive. and now I have grub at the MBR with no config |
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| 22:02.54 | Queops | I should be able to boot to debian somehow. |
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| 22:03.19 | jhutchins_lt | If you know what your root partition is then yes, you can. |
| 22:03.41 | Queops | ah ill give it a go |
| 22:03.42 | Queops | tell me please. |
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| 22:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | If it is sdb3, then tell grub root=(hda0,2) |
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| 22:04.57 | Queops | and what next? |
| 22:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | kernel=vmlinuz<tab> root=/dev/sda2 |
| 22:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | initrd=/initrd<tab> |
| 22:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | boot |
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| 22:06.39 | Queops | ok i made the root equals first |
| 22:06.54 | Queops | its says its ext2fs partition type 0x83 |
| 22:07.02 | Queops | This sounds like.... swap? |
| 22:07.06 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Sorry, I'm not sure if that's supposed to be hda0,2 or hd0,2 - I think the latter. |
| 22:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, |
| 22:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's important to get these lines in order, but I'm not sure how critical it is. |
| 22:07.52 | jhutchins_lt | You can always start over. |
| 22:07.58 | Queops | Yeh so... lets see |
| 22:08.23 | Queops | hda gives me parsing error |
| 22:08.30 | Queops | works with hd0,3 |
| 22:08.38 | Queops | says its 0x83 type |
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| 22:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | Hang on. |
| 22:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: You want hd0,2 |
| 22:10.03 | Queops | OH LOL |
| 22:10.06 | Queops | it starts at 0 |
| 22:10.08 | Queops | duhhhh |
| 22:10.33 | Queops | but yes |
| 22:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | No, actually, you do want 0,3 if theat's 0x83, 82 is swap |
| 22:10.39 | Queops | its ext2fs 0x83 |
| 22:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: That's good. |
| 22:10.51 | Queops | its ext2fs 0x83 = hd0,2 |
| 22:10.55 | Queops | ah good, uff. |
| 22:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | Wherever it ended up. |
| 22:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | So we set root. |
| 22:11.21 | jhutchins_lt | Next we do the kernel - |
| 22:11.30 | Queops | Yes |
| 22:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | kernel=vmlinuz<tab> root=/dev/sda3 |
| 22:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | This time we're using /dev, not hd. |
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| 22:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | then the init ramdisk: |
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| 22:12.39 | Queops | Dang, it says kernel=vmlinuz |
| 22:12.43 | Queops | unrecognized device string |
| 22:12.55 | dokma | catsup: I've got some bad new man... |
| 22:12.58 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, try kernel=/boot/vmlinux<tab> |
| 22:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh. |
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| 22:13.17 | dokma | I've setup a crontab line to record route -n when I boot the server from disk |
| 22:13.37 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: it changed to bunch of numbers appended |
| 22:13.44 | dokma | the route table is the same as when live cd is booted but I still can't connect |
| 22:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | Then you need to add root=/dev/sda3 to the same line. |
| 22:14.10 | Queops | ahhh |
| 22:14.12 | Queops | Rodger |
| 22:14.31 | jhutchins_lt | then initrd=/boot/initrd<tab> |
| 22:14.33 | Queops | And enter? |
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| 22:14.39 | Queops | all in same line? |
| 22:14.44 | catsup | dokma: man, wtf |
| 22:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | initrd is a new line. |
| 22:14.59 | catsup | dokma: are you connecting over ipv6? |
| 22:15.02 | Queops | ok it accepted the big line... uff. |
| 22:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, so all lines entered? |
| 22:15.34 | Queops | Yep and now, boot? |
| 22:15.40 | catsup | dokma: how are you connecting? you could have your test script try some other diagnostics, like ping another machine on the local network & ping the router |
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| 22:15.47 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, then cross fingers. |
| 22:15.51 | Queops | *Rubs fists in a way of praying* |
| 22:16.03 | catsup | dokma: but first make sure the livecd's network really works the way we've been assuming |
| 22:16.07 | Queops | Yes! |
| 22:16.16 | Queops | It's alive! (lol) |
| 22:16.22 | Queops | debian logged in |
| 22:16.25 | Queops | lets fix this sucker |
| 22:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: run update-grub and it should fix it. |
| 22:16.32 | dokma | how can I check that live cd network is working the way we are assuming? |
| 22:16.58 | Queops | UFFFFFFFF THANK YOU jhutchins_lt *Gives a beer* |
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| 22:17.05 | jhutchins_lt | Accepted! |
| 22:17.10 | Queops | Turned out a hell of a job. |
| 22:17.14 | dokma | I'll try the ping from the crontab |
| 22:17.36 | Queops | Ok it generated a menu |
| 22:17.42 | catsup | dokma: make sure you use -c :p |
| 22:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | wOOT! |
| 22:17.54 | Queops | Let's see if it has windows.. |
| 22:18.03 | catsup | dokma: but first try ping from livecd ok? |
| 22:18.10 | tezq | hi, i got a little touble with the dm slim. i want slim to start a default session awesome. according to the mannual, modify the 'sessions' line of /etc/slim.conf and the first name 'awesome' should be the default session, but it's not |
| 22:18.31 | catsup | dokma: & how are you connecting? to 178.162.174.92 directly? |
| 22:18.35 | Queops | Hmm it doesnt, I'll have to make it somehow.. |
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| 22:19.04 | dokma | catsup: you mean how I ssh in? |
| 22:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: It should detect it, that's strange. |
| 22:19.25 | dokma | ssh user@178.162.174.92 -p 64821 |
| 22:19.26 | Queops | Yeh it should.. |
| 22:19.30 | catsup | dokma: ok |
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| 22:19.48 | jhutchins_lt | Might just need to reboot and run it again. |
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| 22:20.14 | Queops | Nope just found one kernel |
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| 22:21.12 | Queops | And I'm trying to figure out why.. |
| 22:21.33 | catsup | dokma: can't you just use dhcp? heh |
| 22:22.13 | dokma | catsup: tried it... didn't work |
| 22:22.17 | catsup | ok |
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| 22:23.16 | catsup | dokma: what does /proc/cmdline say in grml? |
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| 22:23.46 | dokma | apm=power-off toram=grml.squashfs lang=de vga=791 quiet initrd=/boot/grml/initrd.gz boot=live nomce noquick hostname=rescuecd64 distri=grml noeject noprompt services=ssh BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/grml/linux26 |
| 22:23.52 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: I once needed to boot it long ago, because i had screwed up bootloader, it included chainloader +1 and stuff.. |
| 22:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Yeah, sorry, don't have any examples with windows on 'em at the moment. |
| 22:24.21 | Queops | well in fact i had to boot windows to fix the linux screw up |
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| 22:24.49 | Queops | Ill figure it out, must involve the hd0,0 or hd0,1 |
| 22:24.53 | Queops | Hehe |
| 22:25.09 | dokma | I just figured out I deinstalled ping from the server.... |
| 22:25.16 | dokma | now I can't bring it back |
| 22:25.20 | catsup | dokma: nothing in there about configuration then |
| 22:25.42 | catsup | dokma: just chroot in, and apt-get install |
| 22:25.55 | dokma | when I chroot |
| 22:26.00 | dokma | dns resolution fails |
| 22:26.10 | catsup | fix it :p |
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| 22:27.03 | catsup | fix /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:31.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do I install the debian live CD to hard drive? |
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| 22:32.58 | jhutchins_lt | would expect a menu entry or desktop icon or something. |
| 22:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: You might want to find out what the correct gateway setting is before the network team at your provider goes home. They might not be back until Monday. |
| 22:34.12 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: what do you make of the route -n output on the functioning livecd? |
| 22:34.13 | dokma | they are long gone home |
| 22:34.25 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: irrelevant. |
| 22:34.30 | dokma | from 16:30 gmt |
| 22:34.34 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: why?? |
| 22:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | Because he's on a different network. It's got nothing to do with routing. |
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| 22:35.02 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: success! |
| 22:35.04 | dokma | did you guys notice that I detected that now the real boot has the same route -n |
| 22:35.05 | Queops | It was pretty simple. |
| 22:35.08 | dokma | but still no connection |
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| 22:35.11 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: Yay!. |
| 22:35.18 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: but why does it work? |
| 22:35.22 | Queops | jhutchins_lt: rootnoverify to the partition, makeactive and chainloader +1 |
| 22:35.31 | Queops | There's a lesson to you hehe ! |
| 22:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | They apparently have two logical networks on one set of physical hardware. I've worked with that before. |
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| 22:37.07 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: what i don't understand is, how can copying the routing table and the IP etc. from the working install to the broken one not fix it? clearly it doesn't, but why?? what else is there to set? |
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| 22:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | Because it has nothing to do with routing. |
| 22:38.12 | catsup | but what HAS it got to do with? |
| 22:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | The correct gateway for the correct network. |
| 22:38.48 | catsup | does gateway not mean the entry in the routing table? |
| 22:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | It is related, but that's not how you configure it. |
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| 22:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | You can change it temporarily with route commands, but the correct way is to set it correctly in the interfaces file and NOT mess with routing. |
| 22:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | You can discover the gateway with traceroute. |
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| 22:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | Traceroute to an arbitrary address within the target network, the next to last address should be the gateway. |
| 22:40.37 | djura-san | o// ¤¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ |
| 22:40.40 | catsup | i tried; that address doesn't respond to the traceroute |
| 22:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | In that case he'll have to get it from the support team when they come back in. |
| 22:41.10 | catsup | but |
| 22:41.24 | catsup | isn't it just the default route as output by 'route' ? |
| 22:41.27 | dokma | crap... I get "Error: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory." when I try to create it |
| 22:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Only if it works. |
| 22:41.50 | catsup | it does work |
| 22:42.07 | jhutchins_lt | A 217 gateway won['t work on a 178 network. |
| 22:42.20 | catsup | but it appears to work, that's what i'm saying |
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| 22:42.45 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps you are interpreting the appearance incorrectly. |
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| 22:43.10 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: well, what do you make of this? this is the install that works, he can ssh in, etc.: http://pastebin.com/wPXXxTa7 |
| 22:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | You sure he doesn't still have a 217 address? |
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| 22:44.37 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: ifconfig says inet addr:178.162.174.92 |
| 22:44.46 | Queops | How is openSSH on debian? |
| 22:45.17 | Queops | And debian uses iptables also? |
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| 22:45.24 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: If he sets that up in his interfaces file does it work? |
| 22:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: It's linux. |
| 22:45.43 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: nope |
| 22:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | Queops: The basics are common. |
| 22:45.55 | Queops | :D |
| 22:46.30 | Queops | nvm ill take a look at the reference |
| 22:46.39 | Queops | Thanks for the help today guys |
| 22:46.46 | Queops | \o |
| 22:46.48 | jhutchins_lt | They updated openssh today I think. |
| 22:46.52 | Queops | Epic |
| 22:46.54 | Queops | :D |
| 22:47.06 | Queops | I'm tired though |
| 22:47.15 | Queops | I'll leave this server stuff for later :) |
| 22:47.25 | Queops | Have fun \o |
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| 22:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: It may be working because of some persistence in the routers at the site allowing an established communication. Nothing else is taking the old 217 address, so the routers still use the same MAC and the connection stays up. |
| 22:49.39 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: his old config didn't have a 217 address either |
| 22:50.03 | jhutchins_lt | Right. It _did_ have the right gateway at some point, but I don't know what happened to that. |
| 22:50.25 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: did you see the old config? it looked like the new one, with an explicit route command in 'interfaces' |
| 22:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: It could also be an error on the part of the ISP staff, they may not have given him the right info. They may have forgotten to swap a cable. |
| 22:50.42 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: but it works on the one config |
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| 22:51.06 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: so, ignoring the info given by them -- that config should be duplicable |
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| 22:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe there's a hardware difference. Maybe it's in a different physical location. |
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| 22:51.55 | catsup | it's the same machine |
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| 22:51.57 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe it didn't actually work the way he thought it did, |
| 22:52.00 | catsup | booted from a livecd |
| 22:52.07 | catsup | he pasted the output of ifconfig -a; route -n |
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| 22:54.30 | jhutchins_lt | Did he ever try _exactly_ the same configuration, or was it only combined with the second address? |
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| 22:55.07 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: the config i gave him was intended to copy exactly the configuration output by those commands |
| 22:55.19 | catsup | (i'm not sure what you mean by second address) |
| 22:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | 0:0 |
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| 22:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | I mean did he ever try the copy of the orignial interfaces file from before the problem started. |
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| 22:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | There's one theoretical routing solution, but I never saw him actually try it. |
| 22:57.04 | catsup | shrug |
| 22:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | Reminds me, gotta go shift laundry. |
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| 23:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | If he were to set the gateway as the 217..1 address, then route that network or address explicitly through his IP at the 178 address it could work. |
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| 23:06.09 | jhutchins_lt | I think that's probably what the original configuration was come to think of it. |
| 23:06.39 | Lantizia | Hey I'm learning so bare with me :) would the only reason to put man pages in your "debian/" directory when making a source package - be... that it's overriding the normal man page? |
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| 23:08.50 | jordanm | Lantizia: yes, or the upstream one doesn't include one |
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| 23:09.46 | Lantizia | jordanm: cool - thanks |
| 23:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not baring, neither with nor without you! |
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| 23:10.37 | Lantizia | jordanm: since there is debian/control which has all the info needed for a dsc... is it possible to compile binary packages without making a dsc? |
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| 23:12.16 | bolt | I tried running the squeeze netinstall on my intel mac mini (late 2006), i let it partition automatically, which led to a bootstrap partition, one partition for files and one for swap. Then I installed the "standard system" in tasksel and nothing else. Grub was installed to MBR per default. After reboot, the thing just sits there with a blinking question mark folder. Help? |
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| 23:12.38 | sameer666 | jhutchins_lt: do u know any howto to remaster debian, intention is to make it go under 10 mb distro |
| 23:12.55 | jelly-hme | sameer666: forget debian for that purpose. |
| 23:13.08 | nathwill | yeaaah... maybe LFS |
| 23:13.17 | sameer666 | jelly-hme: tinycore is there |
| 23:13.23 | sameer666 | but i want apt-get |
| 23:13.25 | sameer666 | :D |
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| 23:14.14 | jelly-hme | sameer666: forget proper packaging and dependencies with those constraints as well... if your limit is 10MB that implies you don't have space to install extra stuff |
| 23:14.15 | sameer666 | debian package management is sweet |
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| 23:14.38 | jelly-hme | and if you have space, then that constraint isn't real |
| 23:15.01 | sameer666 | jelly-hme: ofcourse i have space |
| 23:15.10 | sameer666 | but it is just playing with debian |
| 23:15.20 | sameer666 | and shrinking it |
| 23:15.39 | jelly-hme | that's _very_ different from a 10MB goal, which isn't realistic at all |
| 23:16.07 | jelly-hme | sameer666: take a look at emdebian perhaps, or DSL |
| 23:16.12 | sameer666 | ok jelly-hme my bad then |
| 23:16.26 | sameer666 | for 10mb ;) |
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| 23:17.28 | sameer666 | jelly-hme can u access emdebian.org ? |
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| 23:19.50 | jelly-hme | sameer666: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.emdebian.org |
| 23:21.18 | sameer666 | thanks |
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| 23:24.43 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: I think there's a site out that that does custom debian iso's. 10M is pretty ambitions though. DSL or Puppy. |
| 23:25.12 | sameer666 | thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 23:25.20 | dokma | catsup: managed to get ping and resolv.conf going |
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| 23:25.29 | dokma | rebooted and now waiting for results |
| 23:25.33 | sameer666 | it is for making my own distro based on debian |
| 23:25.35 | jhutchins_lt | sameer666: Embedded distros too as jelly suggested. |
| 23:25.52 | sameer666 | just for fun |
| 23:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Did you ever try the exact orignial interfaces file? |
| 23:26.04 | sameer666 | so there is no space constrain |
| 23:26.21 | dokma | that was the first shot after raw copy |
| 23:26.24 | dokma | just tried to boot |
| 23:26.47 | dokma | but since I discovered that I needed to change all occurences of hda with sda |
| 23:26.56 | dokma | did so in menu.lst and fstab |
| 23:27.01 | dokma | any other places? |
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| 23:27.49 | dokma | are there any issues with rat copying one disk to the other |
| 23:27.56 | dokma | geometry or something? |
| 23:28.03 | dokma | raw copying |
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| 23:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | !udev |
| 23:28.23 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 23:28.28 | cusco | dokma: not that I am aware off, I did it many times with dd and the disk worked |
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| 23:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Which kernel do you have? |
| 23:29.47 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: don't know of the top of my head |
| 23:29.56 | dokma | vanilla from stable debian |
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| 23:30.27 | jhutchins_lt | So probably .26, not at the udev transition yet, you just went from ATA to SCSI hardware. |
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| 23:30.52 | dokma | hda => sda |
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| 23:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: THat happens with the .32 kernel as well, as the ATA drivers are consolidated with the universal scsi driver. |
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| 23:31.57 | dokma | I changed menu.lst and fstab |
| 23:32.01 | dokma | anything else? |
| 23:32.17 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: You keep (hd#,#) in the grub list, but change hda#. |
| 23:32.28 | dokma | yes |
| 23:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | Should be good. |
| 23:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | Any progress on the network config? |
| 23:34.17 | dokma | just got dns resolving to work in chroot |
| 23:34.30 | dokma | added a few lines to crontab for debugging |
| 23:34.38 | dokma | and now rebooting to see what the pings will say |
| 23:34.58 | dokma | route -n is the same like on live cd but I still cannot log in |
| 23:35.11 | dokma | I'm beginning to suspect something else is foul |
| 23:35.29 | dokma | I found in syslog that eth0 does not go up |
| 23:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: What about the exact original interfaces file - do you still have that? |
| 23:35.45 | dokma | of course |
| 23:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: That could be a problem. |
| 23:35.48 | dokma | I backed it up |
| 23:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Have you tried it? |
| 23:35.59 | dokma | could that be a drivers issue? |
| 23:36.07 | dokma | that was the first I tried |
| 23:36.13 | dokma | but that one is with the old ip |
| 23:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: eth0 could be a driver issue, yes, you could have an alias for the old hardwar.e |
| 23:36.36 | sameer666 | dokma: what does mii-tool says |
| 23:36.41 | dokma | I will do an lsmod from crontab |
| 23:36.57 | dokma | I doubt I have mii-tool on the server |
| 23:37.04 | dokma | there are only 374 packages installed on it |
| 23:37.10 | dokma | it was minimized to the core |
| 23:37.22 | sameer666 | hmmm |
| 23:37.33 | sameer666 | lspci ? |
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| 23:38.15 | dokma | I can run that from the rescue since the hardware is the same |
| 23:38.25 | dokma | I'll put it up as soon as I get the next rescue |
| 23:38.48 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: where would an alias to the old hardware be left ? |
| 23:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 23:39.36 | dokma | I'll check that right away |
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| 23:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: I don't think debian does it that way, I'd have to check that networking doc. |
| 23:40.14 | dokma | but I can see from the dmesg when I go into rescue that the kernel load r8169 |
| 23:40.21 | dokma | which is the same one that the live cd loads |
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| 23:40.57 | sameer666 | dokma u mean eth0 names ? |
| 23:41.12 | dokma | no the card driver is r8169 |
| 23:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | It is the same kernel on the rescue disk, right? |
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| 23:41.59 | sameer666 | does it work on live ? |
| 23:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | !r8169 |
| 23:42.03 | dpkg | [r8169] the Realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. Several r8169 bugs were corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (Debian bug #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
| 23:42.12 | dokma | don't know which kernel is on the rescue |
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| 23:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | uname will tell you. |
| 23:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Better check. |
| 23:42.34 | dokma | waiting for rescue to come up |
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| 23:45.05 | jhutchins_lt | How are you reaching it if not through the rescue? |
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| 23:45.48 | dokma | only through rescue atm |
| 23:45.53 | sameer666 | bbl takecare ppl |
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| 23:47.06 | EvilPhoenix | any way that (inside a bash / .sh script) I can kill a program after it reaches a certain size limit or a certain memory usage? I'm asking about this in this channel because i have to do this on a RedHat linux system which is debian based. |
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| 23:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | EvilPhoenix: How is a RHL based on debian? |
| 23:48.19 | andares | EvilPhoenix: yeah, just make the script run on a cronjob or something. |
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| 23:48.38 | nathwill | agree... that's a very interesting question |
| 23:49.02 | brahman | wonders if EvilPhoenix is trolling?? mmm? |
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| 23:49.32 | nathwill | trolls don't generally bail once they've got the attn though... hrm... |
| 23:49.59 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if it's a VM or if he's just confused about RedHat. |
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| 23:50.19 | nathwill | we'll never know... |
| 23:50.25 | brahman | :-( |
| 23:51.01 | thepro4ever | is it possible to remote in from cygwin to a linux server and run a command at a scheduled time?? i want to kick off jcron on a windows box with cygwin to execute a command on a remote linux server, how can i do this? |
| 23:51.11 | thepro4ever | or even linux to linux fo that matter |
| 23:51.22 | pixie | "sleep" ? |
| 23:51.47 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: at |
| 23:51.54 | brahman | thepro4ever: why not use cron on the remote linux server executing the job? |
| 23:52.06 | jhutchins_lt | at exists on both linux and windows. |
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| 23:53.05 | thepro4ever | brahman: the main thing that i'm looking to do is not even use cron, i just want to be able to send the same command to be executed on 15 linux servers at once for instance |
| 23:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | ssh + at? |
| 23:53.36 | themill | would use cron |
| 23:54.03 | thepro4ever | jhutchins_lt: so i have to ssh to the box then execute the command??? |
| 23:54.05 | brahman | for server in `echo server1 server2`; do ssh $server 'command to run';done |
| 23:54.21 | nevyn | ssh and a for loop is not a solution. |
| 23:54.25 | jhutchins_lt | brahman: Excellent. |
| 23:54.40 | brahman | nevyn: how is this not a solution? |
| 23:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | Use cron or at to schedule it. |
| 23:55.07 | nevyn | brahman: it has massive scaling problems |
| 23:55.10 | thepro4ever | i don't really need to schedule i just need a command or script to run whenever i please |
| 23:55.13 | nevyn | and reliability problems |
| 23:55.26 | thepro4ever | i need to be familiar with what commands i'd need to do this |
| 23:55.27 | themill | wonders what "echo" is doing in that loop |
| 23:55.28 | nevyn | thepro4ever: ssh and keys |
| 23:55.38 | nathwill | themill: echoing |
| 23:55.47 | nathwill | :P |
| 23:55.47 | themill | uselessly, yes |
| 23:56.17 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Um, yeah. |
| 23:56.37 | brahman | nevyn: the OP requested a way to run a command on multiple boxes. a for loop is absolutely fine. |
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| 23:57.34 | nevyn | brahman: and consistancy problems. |
| 23:57.52 | themill | actually, the original request was to run *a* command on *a* server. Yet another case where a better problem description would get better answers. |
| 23:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | We used to keep text file lists of all the servers at a given site to be updated and use that in for loops. |
| 23:58.23 | brahman | themill: bit more verbose, for the op. |
| 23:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, you can use a for loop to copy the keys out to the severs, you just have to sit there and type passwords. |
| 23:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | wonders if scp has a concatenate option... |
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| 23:59.34 | themill | brahman: no really... just excessively complicated for no reason that makes the reader wonder if there's something weird that you've done. I'd hate to see the perl that you write. |
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