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| 00:00.32 | Vogon- | so i got a raid set with 3ware controller, using raid6 5x 1.5tb WD green caviar hdd's, its just to host my media files and i dont need performances, just playing some music /movies... is that bad comboination? |
| 00:01.06 | brahman | themill: I like my perl. Thank you. if you would rather i had written for i in server1 server2; do ssh $i 'commands'; done. ok. but really nitpicking isnt it? |
| 00:01.43 | dokma | catsup: ping cannot get to the gateway |
| 00:01.58 | dokma | in syslog there is a r8169: eth0: link down |
| 00:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | It's themill's JOB to pick the nits on our suggestion. It's how we learn to be better! |
| 00:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: DId we resolve which kernel was on the rescue CD vs the install? |
| 00:03.10 | dokma | this is the rescue: Linux rescuecd64 2.6.28-grml64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 29 21:42:27 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:03.20 | dokma | the install has this one: |
| 00:03.27 | themill | brahman: It's more that it's not really an elegant answer to any quesiton (plus it's the echo version of UUOC). I'm still waiting (hoping!) to get an actual idea of the problem to be solved before creating such monstrosities as that. (is locking required to prevent concurrent operation, for example?) |
| 00:03.28 | brahman | jhutchins_lt: in the interest of bettering ourselves, nitpick away. |
| 00:04.11 | dokma | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 00:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Well crap. |
| 00:04.57 | dokma | I am finding on the internet a lot of posts about problems with the r8169 driver and the message r8169: eth0: link down |
| 00:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Do we know if the drives are ide? |
| 00:05.33 | dokma | disk registers as sda |
| 00:05.49 | lamah | release date for 6? |
| 00:05.56 | olorin_ | dokma: SATA? |
| 00:06.06 | dokma | i presume |
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| 00:06.16 | themill | lamah: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 00:06.19 | dokma | I am not 100% of the diff between hda and sda |
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| 00:06.38 | lamah | how can i help |
| 00:06.42 | Vogon- | anyone? |
| 00:06.42 | lamah | with what? |
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| 00:06.56 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: The problem is that if your .28 kernel has consolidated the ide drives as sda, they'll appear as sda under the rescue kernel and hda under the installed kernel. |
| 00:07.00 | lamah | finding bugs? with testing? ... ? |
| 00:07.40 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: I don't have a way of knowing whether the grml .28 kernel does ide as hd or sd. |
| 00:07.46 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: the real boot has no disk access problems |
| 00:07.51 | dokma | only network access issues |
| 00:08.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, we won't sweat the drives then. Sorrry for the distraction. |
| 00:08.08 | themill | lamah: there's a list of bugs that need fixing at http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 00:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: However, we do have the network issue. |
| 00:08.17 | dokma | in syslog I can see that all the daemons are properly booted |
| 00:08.22 | dokma | they just can't get network |
| 00:08.22 | brahman | themill: the OP afaik did not request you to write a full blown application. IMO He wanted to schedule a job to be run on a remote Linux server. Seeing as you feel so passionately about resolving the OP's issue, I bow down to your superiority. |
| 00:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | Does lspci offer any other details on what chipset the r8169 is? a d or e? |
| 00:09.29 | themill | brahman: nah... it's more that if it's just one server he's talking about he should use cron. If it's not, then he should use something that's designed for the task like puppet. And in no case is "echo" useful. |
| 00:09.49 | dokma | I have not added lspci to crontab yet |
| 00:09.53 | dokma | I will do that now and reboot |
| 00:10.03 | dokma | any other info you think would be useful? |
| 00:10.18 | dokma | I waste 10 minutes on every rescu -> boot -> rescue cycle |
| 00:10.38 | brahman | themill: My first suggestion was to use cron. Once he responded with running a command on 15 servers, i suggested the for loop. The echo really is upseting to you. Am sorry. |
| 00:10.47 | megana | Hi Debian, is there an easier way to resolve dependencies for this experimental package I want? |
| 00:10.53 | themill | brahman: :) |
| 00:11.17 | brahman | themill: ;) |
| 00:11.34 | megana | ???????????????????? |
| 00:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: you can do lspci in the resuce - it list hardware independent of software. |
| 00:12.02 | olorin_ | megana: '?' key stuck? |
| 00:12.11 | megana | yeah :( |
| 00:12.14 | dokma | ahhhh ...yer you're right |
| 00:12.17 | megana | I am perpetually puzzled |
| 00:12.21 | dokma | I said that myself and then forgot |
| 00:12.25 | jhutchins_lt | afk |
| 00:12.42 | dokma | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 00:12.56 | megana | olorin, do you know how to resolve dependencies for experimental packages? |
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| 00:13.49 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: I don't know if the 8168B vs 8169 kernel module makes any difference... |
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| 00:14.21 | megana | hey jhutchins_lt |
| 00:14.32 | stew | megana: you probably shoudn't be using experimental packages. Its quite possible that they are completely unusable |
| 00:14.46 | olorin_ | megana: Not exactly for Debian, but aptitude/APT. |
| 00:14.49 | megana | I need it for my video card stew :P |
| 00:15.05 | megana | mines is not supported by the stable one |
| 00:15.06 | cusco | what isa good tool to measure disk performance? write and read speeds? |
| 00:15.09 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: I added the lspci and lsmod to crontab just in case |
| 00:15.21 | dokma | will reboot now and see what is the diff between live and rescue |
| 00:15.36 | olorin_ | cusco: bonnie used to be. |
| 00:15.49 | brahman | megana: what do you mean by the stable one? |
| 00:16.05 | brahman | megana: kernel package? |
| 00:16.06 | megana | stew, I want to install xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.13.901-2_amd64.deb, in the stable release it's only 2.3 |
| 00:16.23 | megana | no, it's just an x package |
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| 00:16.40 | stew | megana: are you running stable? |
| 00:16.41 | brahman | megana: you could use apt pinning. |
| 00:16.45 | megana | lenny |
| 00:16.47 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Kinda need the output from the rescue disk, see what module it's loading for the card, see what the specific card is. |
| 00:16.54 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: This is a new controller, right? |
| 00:16.58 | stew | megana: you'll have to recompile all of X, hope you have a week or so |
| 00:17.05 | megana | how do you do that brahman? |
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| 00:17.18 | dokma | rescue says r8169 |
| 00:17.21 | stew | brahman: no, he should not be pinning experimental when running lenny |
| 00:17.30 | megana | stew, not even squeeze has my driver, what else can I do? |
| 00:17.35 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: You might need to chroot to the install, add backports, and install the .32 kernel. |
| 00:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: What does lspci say? |
| 00:18.01 | dokma | I'll try that.... |
| 00:18.25 | stew | megana: wait for squeeze to release and the x packages to hit wheezy |
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| 00:19.17 | megana | I tried to install squeeze and it told me there was no kernel module |
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| 00:25.21 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: I just installed .32 from backports and it dit not update menu.lst |
| 00:25.30 | dokma | how are these new kernels configured to boot? |
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| 00:29.05 | emerson | hello...everyone... |
| 00:29.16 | dokma | anyone knows how to make the first kernel in the menu.lst to be the default one? |
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| 00:31.14 | sweetpi | I'm trying to get X to work on a fresh squeeze install, it has an intel 830 chipset. If I boot with "i915.modeset=0 video=vesa vga=normal" I can at least get a shell, but X isn't working(no screens found) even after generating xorg.conf. Anyone know of a workaround? |
| 00:31.21 | karsten-nr | dokma: 'default =' line in your Grub conf. |
| 00:31.41 | karsten-nr | dokma: /boot/grub/menu.lst if you're using grub1, /boot/grub/grub.cfg if it's grub2. |
| 00:31.43 | dokma | karsten-nr: found it! thanks! |
| 00:31.58 | nevyn | does anyone have a nvidia NCS 3100 working with nueveou? |
| 00:32.06 | emerson | I can't boot my laptop anymore how can I boot again ... I don't want to loose my files. If I can't boot how can I recover my files |
| 00:32.19 | karsten-nr | dokma: You'll probably want to set that in /etc/default/grub though ;-) |
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| 00:32.33 | karsten-nr | emerson: What happens when you boot? |
| 00:32.35 | dokma | karsten-nr: it's 0 in there |
| 00:32.42 | dokma | so it defaults to the first one |
| 00:32.48 | karsten-nr | emerson: Simple answer: fix your bootloader, if it's broken. |
| 00:32.55 | karsten-nr | dokma: 'update-grub' should apply taht (as root). |
| 00:33.11 | emerson | karstern-nr: how ? |
| 00:33.24 | karsten-nr | emerson: If you've got a hardware problem, you'll need to fix that. Swapping the HD to another system may work, if the HD isn't broken. Depends on how your boot fails. |
| 00:34.01 | emerson | karsten-nr: the hardware is fine ... |
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| 00:34.35 | karsten-nr | emerson: Well ... find out **HOW** it's failing to boot, and change it so it **DOES** boot. |
| 00:34.48 | karsten-nr | emerson: All you've told us is "it doesn't work". So all I can tell you is "fix it". |
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| 00:35.27 | emerson | karsten-nr: well but I doin't know what .. |
| 00:35.38 | karsten-nr | emerson: Are you at the system now? |
| 00:35.49 | karsten-nr | emerson: Attempt booting. Tell us what you see. |
| 00:35.58 | emerson | karsten-nr: no in another pc... |
| 00:35.58 | karsten-nr | emerson: If you're blind, this is going to take us a while. |
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| 00:36.18 | karsten-nr | emerson: Can you see or access the system that won't boot? |
| 00:37.08 | emerson | karsten-nr: karsten-nr: I have a screen doing a checking and showing a error message..yes I can man.. |
| 00:37.15 | dokma | IT'S WORKING DUDEEEESSSS!!!!! |
| 00:37.23 | dokma | 20 hours of combat results in victory!!!! |
| 00:37.24 | karsten-nr | dokma: :) |
| 00:37.39 | dokma | pheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww |
| 00:38.05 | karsten-nr | emerson: Read this and follow through the process: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1169670 |
| 00:38.15 | dokma | thank you all: abrotman, jhutchins_lt, catsup and any I failed to mention |
| 00:38.30 | karsten-nr | feels left out. |
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| 00:38.46 | emerson | karsten-nr: but I'm using debian not ubuntu.... |
| 00:38.47 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: seems like the driver was the issue |
| 00:38.51 | yagoo | dokma, god! |
| 00:38.53 | yagoo | good! |
| 00:38.54 | yagoo | lol |
| 00:39.00 | karsten-nr | emerson: It doesn't fucking matter. |
| 00:39.15 | yagoo | karsten-nr, watch your language |
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| 00:40.28 | konr | Guys, any idea on how to use my (notebook) microphone slot? It simply doesn't work. Also, what program can I use to test it? |
| 00:41.19 | yagoo | konr, see if the microphone is supported with the linux chipset driver (google alsa compatibility <chipset>) |
| 00:41.38 | dokma | karsten-nr: don't feel left out |
| 00:41.42 | karsten-nr | emerson: Basically: booting your machine takes it through several standard steps. There's POST (power-on self-test), the initial GRUB load, stage 1.5 and 2 (1.5 is transitory, but may show in failures). Stage 2 GRUB should show a menu of OS boot options (eg: linux kernel list). Then there's the kernel startup, initrd, pivot-root to your root filesystem, and init. |
| 00:41.48 | dokma | I am more than humbly grateful for all the help |
| 00:41.50 | karsten-nr | emerson: Somewhere in that process, something is breaking. |
| 00:41.52 | yagoo | konr, or at least see if anything with input or microphone input with alsamixer |
| 00:42.05 | karsten-nr | emerson: YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHERE IT IS OR WE CAN'T DO DIDDLY FOR YOU. |
| 00:42.15 | karsten-nr | dokma: :) |
| 00:42.17 | konr | yagoo: and how can I find my chipset? lspci | grep Audio is not very informative |
| 00:42.25 | konr | yagoo: there are various input things on alsamixer |
| 00:42.52 | yagoo | konr, paste the output of lspci to pastebin |
| 00:43.14 | dokma | WHAT A BATTLE!!! |
| 00:43.19 | dokma | my spirit is back up |
| 00:43.24 | konr | yagoo: http://64690a4053fa31b5.paste.se/ |
| 00:45.07 | emerson | kastern-nr: 189.003288 buffer I/o error , dev hda sector 31719975 |
| 00:46.12 | emerson | kastern-nr: but I don't believe that's is HD because was alright yesterday untill I install an update ... |
| 00:47.04 | karsten-nr | emerson: That comes *AFTER* the kernel starts booting? |
| 00:47.15 | karsten-nr | emerson: Smells like a fried hard drive. |
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| 00:47.48 | emerson | karsten-nr: yeah after... |
| 00:48.00 | karsten-nr | emerson: I hope you've got backups. |
| 00:48.07 | yagoo | konr, u may need to use an option with the loading module.. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/74376 |
| 00:48.10 | emerson | karsten-nr: come on man I can't loose by data... |
| 00:48.26 | karsten-nr | emerson: Wishing something were true doesn't make it so. |
| 00:48.36 | karsten-nr | emerson: You might be able to recover it. Odds are middlin. |
| 00:48.46 | yagoo | konr, a list may show with modinfo <modulename> .. somewhere online there must be a description list of compatible module options to use for that |
| 00:49.37 | emerson | kastern-nr: look if I use a linux alive copy do you think I can save my data |
| 00:49.54 | karsten-nr | emerson: maybe. maybe not. |
| 00:50.00 | emerson | karsten-nr: I know it can be done but I never done it before .. |
| 00:50.02 | karsten-nr | emerson: That's probably your best bet. |
| 00:50.14 | karsten-nr | emerson: Look for a tool with dd-rescue on it. |
| 00:50.48 | emerson | kasten-nr: inside the live cd you mean ? |
| 00:51.28 | konr | yagoo: thanks! I'll take a look |
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| 00:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | emerson: If you had data and didn't back it up... |
| 00:52.22 | sweetpi | emerson: just boot a live cd and mount your drive ro. then see if you can backup what you need. if not, then worry about data recovery |
| 00:53.26 | emerson | jsweetpi: right I gonna try as I said I never done it before... |
| 00:54.24 | emerson | sweetpi: right I gonna try as I said I never done it before... |
| 00:56.16 | megana | rawr |
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| 00:56.47 | megana | stew, so you're saying that the only way to slip this xserver-xorg-video-intel package into lenny is to rebuild xserver? |
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| 00:59.18 | karsten-nr | emerson: yes. |
| 00:59.52 | karsten-nr | emerson: dd-rescue will skip over bad/missing blocks. Ideally you'd want to make a copy of the disk to a file on another drive, then see what you can safely recover from that. |
| 01:00.07 | karsten-nr | emerson: Depending on how badly it's corrupted, you might have lost very little, or a whole lot. |
| 01:00.11 | karsten-nr | emerson: Very hard to say. |
| 01:00.26 | dokma | guys now I have one last challenge to tackle |
| 01:00.42 | dokma | I need to setup the old ip to work exactly as before |
| 01:00.51 | dokma | is interface alias enough to do that? |
| 01:00.54 | emerson | sweetpi: I loaded one copy of linux alive so what I do next |
| 01:01.10 | megana | what do I need to do to get this package for lenny?? |
| 01:01.11 | megana | http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 01:02.11 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: can you confirm that with an eth0:0 alias and an od ip on it the server would function just like on the old ip? |
| 01:02.33 | sweetpi | emerson: I dont even know what linux alive is. but what I was saying to do is something like "mount -o ro /dev/sdaX /mnt" and see if you can save your stuff |
| 01:03.37 | emerson | sweetpi: I mean I'm using a copy of a ubuntu distribution without install it on my HD |
| 01:04.25 | sweetpi | emerson: ok, so open a shell and mount the drive read only, then try to copy your files to a thumbdrive or scp them |
| 01:05.20 | emerson | sweetpi: so I type the command that you gave me then ? |
| 01:05.56 | sweetpi | emerson: well youll need root, and need to specify the correct device |
| 01:06.47 | emerson | sweetpi: but how I gonna have a root access if I didn't install in my pc? |
| 01:07.14 | sweetpi | emerson: youll have root on the livecd |
| 01:07.52 | emerson | sweetpi: so what do I have to type..can you tell me, please ? |
| 01:08.11 | sweetpi | sudo -i |
| 01:08.51 | emerson | sweetpi: right and then ? |
| 01:09.18 | sweetpi | then the mount command I gave, but youll have to figure out the correct device |
| 01:10.20 | sweetpi | fdisk -l /dev/sda will help |
| 01:11.02 | megana | if my setup still going to work now that I put squeeze in my package list for lenny and updated X? |
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| 01:12.52 | emerson | sweetpi: well now I have the description of my HD...but how can I open my home file ? |
| 01:13.12 | sweetpi | emerson: did you have everything on one partition? |
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| 01:13.40 | emerson | sweetpi: yes |
| 01:14.14 | sweetpi | emerson: ok what partitions say "Linux" from the fdisk output |
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| 01:14.40 | bolle | hey |
| 01:15.59 | megana | I think my package manager is turning the whole system into squeeze o_O |
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| 01:16.19 | bolle | :P |
| 01:16.23 | emerson | sweetpi: device boot= /dev/sda1, start= 1, end=4688, blocks=37656328+, id= 83 |
| 01:16.32 | sweetpi | emerson: mount -o ro /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 01:17.12 | sweetpi | emerson: then you can access your home from /mnt/home/user |
| 01:17.24 | emerson | sweetpi: it can't find |
| 01:17.36 | sweetpi | emerson: cant find what? |
| 01:18.11 | emerson | sweetpi: my files... |
| 01:18.19 | sweetpi | emerson: what errors? |
| 01:18.32 | emerson | sweetpi: how to I have access to them... |
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| 01:18.46 | sweetpi | emerson: did it mount? |
| 01:18.49 | megana | where do I download squeeze? |
| 01:18.52 | emerson | sweetpi: mount can't find |
| 01:19.10 | sweetpi | emerson: give me the error |
| 01:19.17 | bolle | anybody know why my headphones wont work in squeeze? :O |
| 01:19.48 | sweetpi | megana: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:19.49 | megana | cause you need to modprobe some non-free stuff |
| 01:20.32 | emerson | sweetpi: well the output was just: can't find /dev/sda1/mnt |
| 01:21.04 | sweetpi | emerson: there is a space "/dev/sda1 /mnt" |
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| 01:23.31 | emerson | sweetpi: right I had an output now .. |
| 01:24.44 | sweetpi | emerson: now you should be able to access your files in /mnt/home/user/ |
| 01:26.25 | emerson | sweetpi: right let me show you the output .... |
| 01:26.42 | emerson | sweetpi: can you send me t he url for the pastbin.. |
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| 01:27.25 | sweetpi | !tell emerson about pastebin |
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| 01:29.35 | emerson | sweetpi: ? |
| 01:30.25 | sweetpi | emerson: you should have got a url from dpkg, but anyway: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:31.50 | sacredchao | So my THinkpad's Atheros ath9k wireless card over the past 3+ days randomly drops all sight of any Wifi network |
| 01:32.02 | sacredchao | It doesn't matter if I use Wicd, NetworkManager, or sudo iwlist scan |
| 01:32.15 | sacredchao | So far a reboot fixes it, but I can't figure out what else to try. |
| 01:32.35 | emerson | sweetpi: http://paste.debian.net/100624 |
| 01:32.37 | megana | squeeezeee |
| 01:33.26 | sweetpi | emerson: your making up commands, just type what I said |
| 01:34.12 | sweetpi | mount -o ro /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 01:34.18 | emerson | sweetpi: after those two updates I star having problems libssl0.98 and openssl |
| 01:34.36 | sweetpi | emerson: copy/paste what I typed |
| 01:35.21 | megana | should it really take 5 minutes to format 1 terabyte? |
| 01:35.30 | sweetpi | emerson: that has nothing to do with this, you need to get your files backed up because your hdd is dying |
| 01:36.06 | sweetpi | megana: depends on the filesystem, but that sounds ok |
| 01:36.12 | megana | ext3 |
| 01:36.17 | emerson | sweetpi:yeah I know .. |
| 01:36.33 | megana | is it beause it needs to make a big stupid journal? |
| 01:37.20 | sweetpi | megana: no idea, but 5min is nothing |
| 01:37.30 | megana | for serious? |
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| 01:37.56 | sweetpi | fo shizzle |
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| 01:39.04 | sweetpi | emerson: well did you mount the partition? |
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| 01:40.03 | emerson | sweetpi:look I din't make up man look the output .. http://paste.debian.net/1006225 |
| 01:40.16 | megana | Some Error |
| 01:40.26 | megana | the database was not found |
| 01:40.35 | sweetpi | yeah paste error |
| 01:40.50 | megana | hey debian has a paste bin |
| 01:40.52 | megana | that's so neat |
| 01:41.03 | sweetpi | emerson: let me rephrase what i said, your not typing what i'm typing |
| 01:41.11 | sweetpi | emerson: your leaving out a space |
| 01:41.19 | megana | emerson: you're doin it wrong |
| 01:41.30 | megana | LTT |
| 01:41.52 | megana | :) |
| 01:42.05 | sweetpi | actually your leaving out 2 spaces |
| 01:42.30 | megana | whataya doin! |
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| 01:42.55 | sweetpi | seriously just copy paste what I typed into your term |
| 01:43.43 | megana | lol |
| 01:43.56 | megana | sweetpi, you sure are going the extra mile |
| 01:44.00 | shogunx | http://min.us/iu4yM.jpeg |
| 01:44.20 | megana | ROFL |
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| 01:44.46 | emerson | sweetpi: I don't want annoy man but when you say space is between ro and /dev/sda1/mnt ? because I remove this space and the command just disappear .. I can't copy and paste because I'm in another computer .. |
| 01:45.18 | sweetpi | emerson: there is no output for a successful mount command |
| 01:45.27 | megana | emerson, why not ssh? |
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| 01:46.04 | sweetpi | emerson: mount | grep sda1 |
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| 01:47.21 | sweetpi | emerson: lets say # is a space, the command is: mount#-o#ro#/dev/sda1#/mnt |
| 01:48.51 | emerson | sweetpi:cool it works... |
| 01:49.26 | emerson | sweetpi:sweetpi: no output ..as you said... |
| 01:49.34 | amphi | mmm, octothorpes |
| 01:49.38 | sweetpi | emerson: good, now backup your stuff |
| 01:49.39 | emerson | sweetpi:sweetpi: with both of them ... |
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| 01:50.10 | sweetpi | emerson: "mount | grep sda1" should say something now |
| 01:50.12 | emerson | sweetpi:yeah but a file should appear right ? |
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| 01:50.51 | cromag | wtf... |
| 01:51.03 | cromag | sorry, wrong channel |
| 01:51.04 | cusco | ... |
| 01:51.11 | cusco | nautilus /mnt |
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| 01:51.35 | emerson | sweetpi:yeah the output: /dev/sda1 on /mnt type ext3 (ro) |
| 01:53.12 | sweetpi | emerson: good... now backup your stuff, like i said(5 times) its at /mnt/home/user |
| 01:53.18 | emerson | cusco: the graphic interface is Xfce so cant be nautilus |
| 01:54.11 | cusco | gah |
| 01:54.24 | sweetpi | thunar /mnt/home |
| 01:54.33 | sweetpi | if your wanting a gui |
| 01:55.40 | emerson | sweetpi:what the fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!! you did man .. |
| 01:56.02 | sweetpi | :blink: |
| 01:56.18 | emerson | sweetpi: tell me step-by-step this, please ..put on the pastbin for me .. |
| 01:56.46 | sweetpi | omg, ive repeated the same command for the past hour |
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| 01:56.59 | cusco | emerson: just re-type all those commands, you can scrool up and read them again. You should read everything twice to make sure you understand |
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| 01:57.23 | cusco | you seem to be a bit lazy when it comes to figuring out what needs doing... |
| 01:58.00 | cusco | sorry if I sound harsh.. |
| 01:58.27 | emerson | sweetpi:many thanks ... one day I gonna be like you guys ... :) |
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| 01:59.14 | sweetpi | lol I thought you messed something up and was flipping, blaming it on me |
| 01:59.15 | cusco | good luck! |
| 01:59.25 | cusco | lol |
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| 02:02.54 | emerson | sweetpi:look you know what was my data....ebooks about program and so on my not be so important for you guys ...because you guys know what I want to learn but for me is quite important |
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| 02:05.31 | sweetpi | emerson: I understand, everyone has their few things they don't want to lose. But next time you should keep a backup :) |
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| 02:08.24 | sweetpi | I'm trying to get X to work on a fresh squeeze install, it has an intel 830 chipset. If I boot with "i915.modeset=0 video=vesa vga=normal" I can at least get a shell, but X isn't working(no screens found) even after generating xorg.conf. Anyone know of a workaround? |
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| 02:11.01 | utauu | try it http://www.1filesharing.com/download/0PF3RZH5/psyBNC2.3.1_6.rar |
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| 02:19.59 | megana | oye |
| 02:20.04 | megana | what's up with this? |
| 02:20.06 | megana | http://paste.debian.net/100627/ |
| 02:21.17 | sweetpi | thats the exact error im trying to work around now :/ |
| 02:21.51 | megana | you has squeeze? |
| 02:22.00 | sweetpi | yes |
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| 02:24.12 | megana | it's because your kernel is poo |
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| 02:25.50 | sweetpi | nothing wrong with the kernel, its the intel driver |
| 02:26.01 | megana | it's soooooo new |
| 02:27.41 | sweetpi | I havent messed with this laptop since etch, decided to put squeeze on it last night... should have left it to collect dust |
| 02:28.37 | megana | so down grade the intel driver |
| 02:29.35 | sweetpi | I doubt it would be very happy about kms |
| 02:29.58 | megana | kms? |
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| 02:30.44 | shogunx | have you the framebuffer kernel module loaded? are you actually intending on using the framebuffer? |
| 02:30.56 | megana | what is a frame buffer? |
| 02:31.12 | megana | all I want to use is video acceleration |
| 02:31.42 | sweetpi | megana: kms = Kernel Mode Setting |
| 02:32.25 | shogunx | consider the framebuffer as a middleman between your graphics hardware and data to be displayed. |
| 02:32.35 | sweetpi | my error is the same, except for the framebuffer error |
| 02:33.06 | shogunx | then that is not the same error;) |
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| 02:33.23 | sweetpi | 2/3 aint bad |
| 02:33.34 | megana | shogunx, I do not know what you are talking about :( |
| 02:33.35 | shogunx | heh heh |
| 02:33.59 | megana | is it possible to get this working? |
| 02:34.27 | shogunx | megana... i was carrying on two conversations there. you need to load the framebuffer kernel module for your graphics chipset |
| 02:34.32 | megana | I can't live without this driver unfortunately |
| 02:34.37 | megana | oh |
| 02:34.47 | megana | do you know how to do that? |
| 02:35.04 | shogunx | what, no 3d spankovision or warcrack is going to kill you? |
| 02:35.17 | megana | yeah :( |
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| 02:36.30 | megana | framebuffer kernel module for an intel gma 3150 |
| 02:36.33 | shogunx | damn. in the old days we would just laugh and say RTFM. oh well. ask google about "linux framebuffer module" with the name of your chipset in the search query. |
| 02:36.53 | shogunx | it will return somewhere the name of the module you need to load. |
| 02:37.01 | shogunx | like intelfb.ko or something similar. |
| 02:37.26 | shogunx | then, as root, modprobe $MODULENAME where $MODULENAME is the name of the correct module. |
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| 02:37.32 | shogunx | then try to restart X. |
| 02:37.41 | megana | okay :] |
| 02:39.16 | shogunx | now, sweetpi, ask google about this: (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected. |
| 02:40.03 | shogunx | and you will learn something about modesetting, since it appears you have your fb installed correctly, but with incorrect parameters either passed to the kernel at boot or in your xorg.conf |
| 02:40.45 | shogunx | quoth eddie murphy in "coming to america" fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. whos next? |
| 02:41.15 | sweetpi | yeah I know how to search :p none of the workarounds have fixed it. btw this is a fresh install |
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| 02:42.13 | un214 | kernel modesetting can rot for all I care |
| 02:42.32 | shogunx | and you are jonesing for some 3d graphics as well then, or is vesa good enough for you? |
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| 02:43.07 | un214 | I will not use kms until somebody makes vgaconsole work with it |
| 02:43.20 | un214 | fb for console is junk |
| 02:43.27 | shogunx | i concur |
| 02:43.36 | shogunx | i prefer not to use a fb at all, when possible |
| 02:43.37 | megana | google can't find any kernel frame buffer modules. |
| 02:43.41 | sweetpi | shogunx: vesa is fine, I could care less about acceleration |
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| 02:44.32 | shogunx | sweetpi, have you set your "Driver" variable in the "Device" section of your xorg.conf to vesa then? |
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| 02:44.48 | sweetpi | shogunx: yes |
| 02:44.49 | shogunx | megana ask google.com/linux |
| 02:44.53 | BLZbubba | ok i have had it with ubuntu, it may be time to go back to debian on servers... does the latest debian use #%^#^#! upstart? |
| 02:44.56 | shogunx | sweetpi, and the result? |
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| 02:45.19 | sweetpi | shogunx: same thing, except the error changes to vesa instead of intel |
| 02:45.26 | megana | shogunx, it tells me this |
| 02:45.27 | megana | http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 02:45.28 | BLZbubba | if debian is committed to being anti-upstart i'll start using it again |
| 02:45.42 | megana | it says some rubbish about 2.10 and up don't need hand modification |
| 02:46.37 | shogunx | you may need to pass a mode to the kernel at boot. i suggest to read the document. |
| 02:46.50 | shogunx | sweetpi, how about vga? |
| 02:47.15 | un214 | debian isn't using upstart right now |
| 02:47.36 | BLZbubba | un214: is it legal to assassinate anyone who suggests it? if so, i'm switching |
| 02:47.42 | sweetpi | shogunx: trying now. I figured it was something else when vesa didn't work |
| 02:48.02 | un214 | the day that sysvinit doesn't work is the day I either fork it or leave |
| 02:48.04 | shogunx | sweetpi, likely is something else. |
| 02:48.32 | megana | shogunx, should I just wait 4 months for squeeze to get fixed? |
| 02:49.23 | shogunx | megena, well, you can do that, or if you think it will take you less than 4 months, you can do a little research and figure it out, or you could even pay someone to fix it for you. |
| 02:49.35 | megana | okay, I got $10 |
| 02:49.41 | megana | what's your paypal ;D |
| 02:49.48 | shogunx | i did not offer my services. |
| 02:49.51 | megana | :( |
| 02:49.59 | megana | I thought you were hinting |
| 02:50.02 | shogunx | there are plenty of people who will take you up in that tho. |
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| 02:50.32 | shogunx | you will find i do not hint |
| 02:50.52 | megana | I guess I knew that already |
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| 02:53.23 | shogunx | try X --configure as root. it will generate a config file in /root/xorg.conf.new, iirc. |
| 02:53.40 | shogunx | you can read that and see what the configuration util thinks is proper |
| 02:53.50 | megana | I did that, but it no start |
| 02:54.02 | shogunx | or even copy it to /etc/X11/Xorg.conf and startx |
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| 02:54.54 | megana | it just gives the same error about not having a kernel modesetting :( |
| 02:55.23 | shogunx | were it me, i would: |
| 02:55.27 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 02:55.27 | dpkg | methinks bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 02:55.49 | shogunx | then, i would read the doc on modesetting, and pass the proper parameter to the kernel, and see what happens. |
| 02:56.08 | shogunx | back to real work for me. cheers. |
| 02:56.13 | megana | okay shogunx |
| 02:56.23 | megana | thanks for trying |
| 02:57.16 | sweetpi | shogunx: you were saying to set driver in xorg.conf to vga, correct? |
| 02:57.28 | shogunx | worth a go |
| 02:57.41 | sweetpi | module does not exist |
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| 02:58.35 | shogunx | you might need to apt-get install that one. and apt-cache search it to figure out its actual package name first. |
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| 03:01.03 | sweetpi | shogunx: it must have been removed, "apt-file search /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers | grep vga" shows nothing |
| 03:02.10 | sweetpi | dpkg: find vga_drv.so |
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| 03:09.39 | ta3 | Hello everyone. |
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| 03:10.14 | DetroitLibertyPe | my system isn't identifying my floppy drive, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 03:10.54 | un214 | what happens if there's a disk in the drive? |
| 03:11.07 | megana | it's not in /dev? |
| 03:11.09 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: any kernel messages about it? are the cables plugged in? is the drive light on continuously? |
| 03:11.28 | un214 | what happens if you boot with a disk in the drive? |
| 03:11.54 | DetroitLibertyPe | not shown in /dev i'm not sure how to look for kernel messages, the light is not on at all |
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| 03:12.09 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: how about grep -i fd0 /var/log/messages |
| 03:12.33 | BLZbubba | weird, even though i don't have a floppy drive i get: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M |
| 03:12.50 | megana | is there a new kernel than 2.6.32-5 out there? |
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| 03:13.08 | DetroitLibertyPe | BLZbubba: nothing |
| 03:13.22 | megana | ,latest kernel |
| 03:13.33 | simonrvn | ,kernel |
| 03:13.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:13.35 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: do you see it in your bios settings? |
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| 03:13.58 | DetroitLibertyPe | I can't even get into my BIOS settings on this machine |
| 03:14.05 | megana | I think I want to try 2.6.36 |
| 03:14.21 | megana | maybe the intel driver will work with that one |
| 03:14.22 | DetroitLibertyPe | it boots too quickly for me to see if it tells me a command to press, and I've tried all the ones I know |
| 03:14.23 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: that's not good, are you sure the drive works? |
| 03:14.30 | DetroitLibertyPe | nope |
| 03:14.48 | BLZbubba | it seems like maybe it's disabled or missing a cable |
| 03:14.56 | streuner | megana: what kind of device? |
| 03:15.06 | megana | it's an intel gma3150 |
| 03:15.10 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: ok what about: dmesg | grep -i floppy |
| 03:15.13 | megana | so it needs intel xorg 2.13 |
| 03:15.19 | megana | 2.10 or later actually |
| 03:15.29 | DetroitLibertyPe | BLZbubba: also nothing |
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| 03:15.46 | megana | so I have squeeze, and when I try to start x, it says no kernel module loaded |
| 03:15.54 | BLZbubba | almost certainly a hardware/bios issue then :( |
| 03:16.02 | megana | but I have a kernel module loaded, it's just not working |
| 03:16.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | FUN! |
| 03:16.07 | BLZbubba | heh |
| 03:16.10 | BLZbubba | what kind of machine is it? |
| 03:16.20 | megana | did you get all that streuner? |
| 03:16.22 | DetroitLibertyPe | powerspec |
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| 03:17.02 | ubiquitous1980 | How do we install the spacefun theme? |
| 03:17.12 | DetroitLibertyPe | with AMD sempron, loaded from the factory with Linspire :-) |
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| 03:18.19 | megana | streuner, I read this article http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/no-screens-and-intel-0-no-kernel-modesetting-driver-detected-800617/ |
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| 03:20.12 | DetroitLibertyPe | hmmm...yahoo says its press and hold DEL while booting, didn't try that one |
| 03:20.18 | ubiquitous1980 | is there is a channel dedicated to debian desktop and gnome issues |
| 03:20.33 | franki^ | !gnome |
| 03:20.33 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 03:20.48 | franki^ | ubiquitous1980: #gnome-debian ;) |
| 03:20.48 | ubiquitous1980 | thanks |
| 03:20.54 | franki^ | On irc.gnome.org |
| 03:21.08 | muddd | I usually run xfce4 but i'm using gnome now just to check it out |
| 03:21.13 | muddd | bubbly |
| 03:21.17 | DetroitLibertyPe | so assuming i get into the BIOS anything specific to look for |
| 03:21.32 | DetroitLibertyPe | (and while I"m there any pointers on sound card too, as that also isn't working) |
| 03:21.35 | ubiquitous1980 | franki: just that I want to test drive the spacefun theme |
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| 03:22.35 | ubiquitous1980 | muddd: how to get spacetheme installed? |
| 03:22.40 | franki^ | ubiquitous1980: I'd help you if I could, but I don;t know anything about Gnome, sorry |
| 03:23.01 | ubiquitous1980 | franki: no problem, if I find out, I will say something here |
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| 03:26.27 | edbian | I am trying out puppy linux. In puppy you are root all the time. Can someone explain to me why being root all the time in Debian is a security risk so that I can understand better what puppy is doing? |
| 03:27.06 | ubiquitous1980 | I have used puppy before; you are root by your own choice, not by the developers' mandate |
| 03:27.07 | DetroitLibertyPe | edbian: the reason Pupppy does that is because it rebuilds your / everytime you boot |
| 03:27.08 | megana | if you run a program as root, then it can do stuff |
| 03:27.31 | un214 | like tap /dev/sda |
| 03:28.01 | un214 | However, running as nonroot is very silly for a livecd |
| 03:28.02 | edbian | megana So if I run firefox as root. Then somebody could write a website that could read / write to my hdd? |
| 03:28.15 | un214 | no, they'd first have to hack firefox |
| 03:28.37 | edbian | un214 Because there is no client slide scripting that can read the fs right? |
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| 03:28.46 | un214 | right |
| 03:28.48 | megana | there is not, except for IE |
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| 03:29.04 | edbian | I suppose they could write an add-on that messed around in the .mozilla folder right? |
| 03:29.05 | un214 | now if you downloaded and ran something you should not have ... |
| 03:29.24 | edbian | well obviously that's stupid |
| 03:29.29 | un214 | edbian: they could but you'd have to install it manually |
| 03:29.39 | edbian | and I can see that running something arbitrary as root is even stupider |
| 03:30.05 | megana | lol IE6 is so awesome, you can over load their javascript buffer to access addresses at low memory addresses |
| 03:30.05 | un214 | it's all very pointless to have the security barrier for livecd because the password is probably either blank or published |
| 03:30.12 | un214 | either of which have very obvious attack vectors |
| 03:30.43 | edbian | so being root is a bad idea becuase you might be running a program at root that has an exploit and if that exploit is exploited then somebody else would be root in that process and can now control what it does. Is that right? |
| 03:30.57 | un214 | for a normal system |
| 03:31.02 | un214 | for a bootable cd not so |
| 03:31.03 | edbian | megana So I could mess with kernel space addresses? |
| 03:31.18 | un214 | what do you think /dev/kmem is? |
| 03:31.26 | edbian | un214 Well for a bootable CD they obviously cannot write to / |
| 03:31.39 | un214 | actually yes they can |
| 03:31.44 | un214 | it just goes away on reboot |
| 03:31.46 | edbian | Thing is. I am experimenting with puppy installed on my HDD |
| 03:32.05 | un214 | in that case running as nonroot makes some sense |
| 03:32.08 | edbian | un214 Techincally they're writing to ram though (because if / is in ram) |
| 03:32.12 | un214 | but generally not too much |
| 03:32.16 | edbian | ok |
| 03:32.19 | edbian | Thanks for the info guys |
| 03:32.25 | edbian | I am learning so much! |
| 03:32.33 | un214 | [simply because that system is designed to run as root] |
| 03:32.55 | edbian | One last question. How does spyware get installed on people's computers (windows computers) when all they do is go to websites in firefox?? |
| 03:33.22 | un214 | usually they click on the "you're infected" fake javascript scan |
| 03:33.28 | un214 | and say yes to running the resulting exe |
| 03:33.44 | muddd | i love it when that happens |
| 03:33.46 | edbian | mhmmm |
| 03:33.46 | un214 | second most popular is flash exploit, third is java exploit, forth is acrobat exploit |
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| 03:34.01 | un214 | fifth is email containing some .exe |
| 03:34.11 | edbian | So you can crash flash in the browser (overflow the buffer I presume)? |
| 03:34.17 | un214 | yup |
| 03:34.21 | edbian | Thanks again |
| 03:34.28 | edbian | Extremely helpful |
| 03:34.32 | edbian | and very interesting :D |
| 03:34.46 | un214 | anyway, keep patched and only the acrobat one is harmful |
| 03:35.01 | un214 | even adobe reacts fast enough so flash it patched before exploited |
| 03:35.13 | un214 | but they're too slow for acrobat reader |
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| 03:35.30 | edbian | yeah, offtopic but, acrobat reader is the biggest piece of crap. |
| 03:35.49 | ubiquitous1980 | !gnome |
| 03:35.49 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 03:36.02 | ubiquitous1980 | !themes |
| 03:36.12 | megana | lol debian |
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| 03:36.18 | megana | edbian* |
| 03:36.31 | edbian | megana :) ha ha ha |
| 03:37.02 | megana | s/adobe [^photoshop]/ is a piece of crap |
| 03:37.10 | ubiquitous1980 | this is starting to frustrate me a little, regarding how I don't know how to install spacefun |
| 03:37.49 | megana | I'm frustrated that my kernel won't work with intel gma |
| 03:37.59 | everyman | when doing `aptitude update', it replies with `gpg error ... no data 1 nodata2'. Switching to other url seems not help e.g. ftp.debian.org or ftp.uk.debian.org. How to fix it? My source.list (ftp.us.debian.org) |
| 03:38.05 | ubiquitous1980 | is this a long-term problem megana? |
| 03:38.24 | megana | it will be if the intel bug isn't fixed soon |
| 03:38.38 | ubiquitous1980 | maybe use an older kernel? |
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| 03:38.54 | megana | can't |
| 03:38.57 | megana | need newer |
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| 03:39.07 | megana | that's what the fix is online anyways |
| 03:39.13 | ubiquitous1980 | why can't you get a newer one then? |
| 03:39.22 | megana | there is none newer available for debian |
| 03:39.31 | megana | I have 2.6.32 |
| 03:39.39 | megana | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/no-screens-and-intel-0-no-kernel-modesetting-driver-detected-800617/ |
| 03:39.41 | ubiquitous1980 | yes, but you could source it |
| 03:39.47 | megana | that's what the web is saying |
| 03:39.54 | megana | I am too newb |
| 03:39.55 | ubiquitous1980 | checkout the code from kernel.org |
| 03:39.59 | ubiquitous1980 | oh |
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| 03:40.44 | dvs | megana: you still here!?! ;-) |
| 03:40.50 | megana | ya |
| 03:41.17 | dvs | we haven't scared you off yet? ;-) |
| 03:41.20 | ubiquitous1980 | well, I imagine it would be possible to download the debian kernel sources, grab its .config file for the kernel, then rebuild a newer kernel from the kernel.org sources, add the linux simlink in /usr/src and then update the initramfs |
| 03:41.21 | megana | nope :P |
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| 03:41.44 | megana | you make it sound so easy ubiquitous |
| 03:41.58 | ubiquitous1980 | megana: that' |
| 03:42.06 | edbian | Thanks again for the help guys. Very interesting |
| 03:42.09 | ubiquitous1980 | megana: that's because im a gentoo user :S |
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| 03:42.35 | megana | dvs, I had to install squeeze. I found out through intel that I need xf86-video-intel 2.10.0 |
| 03:42.35 | megana | to use my chipset |
| 03:42.45 | megana | and then I found out that squeeze has that, so I installed squeeze |
| 03:42.45 | dvs | ah |
| 03:43.10 | dvs | megana: you managed to get the USB install to work? |
| 03:43.22 | megana | but then when I run it, it tells me there's no kernel module is missing |
| 03:43.27 | ubiquitous1980 | megana: my advice is that you don't chase distros because of their packages. |
| 03:43.35 | megana | yeah, I used gparteds syslinux |
| 03:44.13 | ubiquitous1980 | guys, the debian-desktop package is not in the squeeze repos...is this a normal package? |
| 03:44.28 | megana | but I like packages ubiquitous :( |
| 03:44.52 | ubiquitous1980 | megana: I know, but you can chase down source |
| 03:45.04 | ubiquitous1980 | and build it yourself. |
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| 03:45.28 | megana | ugh too much work. I just want a kiosk |
| 03:45.34 | DetroitLibertyPe | but if you're gonna chase down source you might as well chase down distros that arelady do it for you |
| 03:45.56 | ubiquitous1980 | lol, source is often quicker to find though |
| 03:46.14 | DetroitLibertyPe | particularly if its the gretest distro ever, the unverisal operating system, Debian GNU/LInux |
| 03:46.14 | megana | fix it, and I'll give you 10$ ;P |
| 03:46.32 | ubiquitous1980 | I don't want $10 |
| 03:46.35 | megana | :( |
| 03:46.40 | ubiquitous1980 | if it is worth doing, I will do it though |
| 03:46.42 | ubiquitous1980 | if you want |
| 03:46.46 | megana | k |
| 03:46.55 | ubiquitous1980 | but I refuse to work on machines that have confidential info on them |
| 03:46.59 | dvs | DetroitLibertyPe: Who paid you to say that? ;-) |
| 03:47.10 | DetroitLibertyPe | nobody! its free! |
| 03:47.10 | megana | it's just a little box with nothing on it but debian |
| 03:47.14 | ubiquitous1980 | ok |
| 03:47.21 | megana | want to ssh into it? |
| 03:47.24 | ubiquitous1980 | yes |
| 03:47.31 | megana | this is so sexy |
| 03:47.33 | ubiquitous1980 | pm me with the details |
| 03:48.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | OK, wish me luck in the BIOS |
| 03:48.24 | un214 | megana: I'm curious why is this sexy? |
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| 03:48.40 | megana | because I am exposing my computer to a stranger? |
| 03:48.45 | ubiquitous1980 | lol |
| 03:48.52 | dvs | passes a condom |
| 03:48.55 | ubiquitous1980 | hahah |
| 03:49.11 | ubiquitous1980 | back in the day, someone helped me with my problems |
| 03:49.16 | ubiquitous1980 | via ssh |
| 03:49.30 | Jeremy^ | I've got a wonderful question for anyone who is willing to answer, I've got a processor that supports hyper threading, and obviously has more than one thread (it has 2) however, VMX isn't showing up in cpuinfo, meaning I can't run xen-can anyone answer me why that flag isn't there given the processor specifications? |
| 03:49.36 | dvs | ubiquitous1980: use vnc. get with the times! |
| 03:49.55 | ubiquitous1980 | vnc is too latent with internet |
| 03:50.23 | ubiquitous1980 | megana: details? IP username userpasswd? |
| 03:50.33 | megana | I have to find you in the list |
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| 03:50.56 | un214 | so megana are you female, because I take ubiquitous to be male |
| 03:51.37 | un214 | on second thought I'd rather not know |
| 03:51.40 | megana | ya? |
| 03:51.43 | Jeremy^ | and ftr, I'm running sid.. |
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| 03:56.44 | Jeremy^ | why do I always feel like a ghost when I ask a question here? |
| 03:56.53 | Jeremy^ | is it because the question I ask doesn't result in "rtfm" |
| 03:56.55 | Jeremy^ | or what? |
| 03:57.12 | nevyn | !sid |
| 03:57.12 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:57.51 | Jeremy^ | oh-ok |
| 03:57.54 | Jeremy^ | I'm running etch now |
| 03:57.55 | Jeremy^ | now what :) |
| 03:58.38 | nevyn | he |
| 03:58.40 | Jeremy^ | see I do have the skill to find my mess out of broken packages.. |
| 03:58.46 | Jeremy^ | but the question I'm asking is completely unrelated to that |
| 03:58.50 | Jeremy^ | nice joke though |
| 03:59.25 | nevyn | VMX was much much later than hyperthreaded cpu's |
| 03:59.57 | nevyn | there were hyperthreaded P4(7)'s |
| 04:00.07 | Jeremy^ | os[Linux 2.6.32-5-686 i686] distro[Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.99GHz] mem[Physical: 2.47GB, 86.38% free] disk[Total: 105.54GB, 91.17% free] |
| 04:00.08 | Jeremy^ | :) |
| 04:00.13 | DetroitLibertyPe | Ok, now that I logged the Pidgin bug, I really am going to the BIOS |
| 04:00.22 | un214 | for a moment I thought you wrote VMS and I was like "huh" |
| 04:00.42 | Jeremy^ | nevyn, thanks for giving me a real answer |
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| 04:01.35 | nevyn | Jeremy^: so hyperthreaded does NOT imply VMX capable. (it doesn't even imply 64bit (which also doesn't imply VMX capable) |
| 04:01.38 | nevyn | ) |
| 04:01.43 | Jeremy^ | yeah |
| 04:01.53 | DetroitLibertyPe | rtfm was the best IRC answer I ever got and lead to my complete Debian conversion |
| 04:01.55 | Jeremy^ | I suppose I should have google'd "VMX" |
| 04:02.38 | nevyn | Jeremy^: so your box is like ancient (more than 3 years old) and doesn't support xen/kvm sad times |
| 04:02.50 | Jeremy^ | oh it's totally ancient |
| 04:03.05 | un214 | ancient are the six computers on each Voyager |
| 04:03.13 | nevyn | I was being somewhat facicious. |
| 04:03.13 | Jeremy^ | how can I check processor specs to see if it's capable of supporting VMX? |
| 04:03.22 | un214 | they generally win the prize for longest uptime |
| 04:04.00 | nevyn | bah uptime |
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| 04:06.08 | un214 | what you don't think > 30 years is good? |
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| 04:07.09 | Jef91 | I am using dh_make to build a package - but there is a "-" in the package name. How can I do this? |
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| 04:10.23 | BLZbubba | i'm using the squeeze installer on a / partition with hardware raid, 64k stripe size. is there a way for the installer to align the partitions properly? |
| 04:10.25 | Coweater | Jef91: the manual says dashes are allowed, is it failing with some error? |
| 04:11.00 | un214 | partition manually with fdisk first? |
| 04:11.10 | Jef91 | coweater it is because there is a "-" in my name |
| 04:11.19 | Jef91 | so it has no idea what to do with it |
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| 04:13.11 | Jef91 | nvm got it |
| 04:13.14 | Jef91 | had to use a -p flag |
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| 04:15.32 | BLZbubba | even more fun, the installer chokes at about 47% when scanning devices |
| 04:15.55 | BLZbubba | i'll guess that it hates my big partition with 4k sector size (in retrospect, shoulda done 64 bit LBA) |
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| 04:16.07 | acu | BLZbubba, are you installing squeeze AMD64 daily ? |
| 04:16.21 | BLZbubba | no, i grabbed debian-506-amd64-netinst |
| 04:16.39 | BLZbubba | i'm ASSuming it's not the daily |
| 04:17.01 | acu | Of course not - that is the Stable Debian Lenny 5.0 - |
| 04:17.26 | acu | Squeeze is Version 6.0 Beta - which is updated daily |
| 04:17.59 | acu | I am going to install it in 3 minutes - just wanting to make sure that it is OK |
| 04:19.52 | BLZbubba | ah ok i thought squeeze was a release version already |
| 04:20.04 | BLZbubba | i'll grab the daily then :) |
| 04:20.37 | acu | go ahead - I use Squeeze - just last month was a bit bumpy - but it should be cool |
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| 04:21.16 | BLZbubba | hmm, i found a weekly snapshot |
| 04:21.44 | acu | BLZbubba, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:22.08 | DetroitLibertyPe | so didn't really didn't find anything useful in my BIOS as far as why my Floppy drive isn't being found, I did see that it recongize I had a floppy drive, and upon visiting the PowerSec website I learned this box didn't come with a floppy from the factory |
| 04:22.13 | acu | first row is daily |
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| 04:25.30 | Jef91 | What do I call the file in my /debian directory of a package to have it run after install? |
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| 04:25.35 | Jef91 | postint something right? |
| 04:27.09 | BLZbubba | ok who's the crackhead who came up with 63 sectors/track |
| 04:27.27 | nevyn | what's wrong with that? |
| 04:27.28 | un214 | well 64 doesn't fit the x bit number |
| 04:27.39 | nevyn | remember there's sector 0 |
| 04:27.42 | un214 | my powers of two are hazy right now |
| 04:27.56 | un214 | there is but the reported totals use the same format |
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| 04:28.20 | nevyn | 6 bits. 1248|16|32 |
| 04:28.46 | un214 | 1248 is not a power of 2 |
| 04:29.15 | nevyn | ok 32|16|8|4|2|1 |
| 04:29.34 | nevyn | I didn't put the dividers in for the ones that were only a single digit wide |
| 04:29.41 | un214 | ah |
| 04:30.03 | un214 | comes from it being after 8:00 |
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| 04:31.16 | BLZbubba | least common multiple of 63 and 128 is 8064 |
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| 04:31.59 | BLZbubba | so i have to waste 4 megs of disk space to get a 64k stripe alignment. |
| 04:32.01 | BLZbubba | waaaah :) |
| 04:32.26 | nevyn | wants 4k sectors. |
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| 04:34.02 | BLZbubba | my 6t partition uses that, it isn't too compatible still |
| 04:34.22 | BLZbubba | but once it's installed it seems to be ok |
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| 04:34.42 | BLZbubba | i am way off on my alignment on that one but no way i'm copying things around to switch it |
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| 04:46.50 | BLZbubba | i almost googled for the size of the boot sector. |
| 04:47.12 | BLZbubba | answer: 1 sector (512 bytes) <forehead smack> |
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| 04:52.06 | nsadmin | well diferent media has different hardware sector sizes, example cdrom has 2k |
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| 04:54.30 | SingAlong | is it possible to make an iso installer out of the installed debian system? |
| 04:54.42 | tharkun | yes |
| 04:54.54 | SingAlong | tharkun: whats the pkg or any doc? |
| 04:55.09 | tharkun | I can't remember it but it is indeed possible |
| 04:55.51 | SingAlong | tharkun: any terms i can google for? |
| 04:56.12 | tharkun | Sorry my memory is not that good at this momment |
| 04:58.06 | DetroitLibertyPe | tharkun: of course its possible, its GNU, anything is possible |
| 04:58.08 | SingAlong | tharkun: no problem! :) thanks |
| 04:58.53 | SingAlong | DetroitLibertyPe: I was the one who asked the question. |
| 04:59.34 | BLZbubba | cool, btrfs is a choice right on the install screen |
| 05:00.05 | BLZbubba | DetroitLibertyPe: did you get your floppy figured out? |
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| 05:00.33 | BLZbubba | ok i don't get why people recommend sfdisk when good old fdisk (and presumably gdisk) has a sector mode |
| 05:03.37 | SingAlong | tharkun: DetroitLibertyPe seems like there's a #debian-custom channel on irc.debian.org |
| 05:05.34 | tharkun | Well irc.debian.org hapens to be irc.oftc.net but i was looking for the package that actually makes the iso out of your working system |
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| 05:06.03 | ChmEarl | anyone have xen dom0 install on squeeze? can you please confirm this http://pastebin.ca/2000690 (no tap:aio supprt) |
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| 05:15.38 | foo | Will dpkg -l |grep package, and if it says ii <package name> - does that mean it was installed via apt-get and not source? |
| 05:16.19 | nsadmin | anything started out as source |
| 05:16.31 | foo | nsadmin: aha, great, thank you. so this could be installed from source |
| 05:17.01 | nsadmin | if you mean was it built into a package first, and does ii mean it came from a package after source, then the answer is yes |
| 05:18.12 | nsadmin | this is also not to say there could not be both a package and a source installation in different locations |
| 05:18.19 | foo | In other words, I mean, if I installed something from source via ./configure && make && make install , could it show up as ii package when I run dpkg -l |grep package |
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| 05:18.31 | nsadmin | in that case the ii means there is at least the package |
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| 05:20.09 | ShaunR | i have a flat disk image ( dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.img bs=.... ; mkfs.ext3 -f disk.img; ) |
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| 05:20.37 | ShaunR | is there any program out there that will give me stats on that disk image? Like fs type, size, usage, etc |
| 05:20.40 | ShaunR | with out having to mount it |
| 05:23.34 | nsadmin | foo: it will not say ii if you -only- installed via make install. One other thing, not a good idea to install local source-based thing with prefix /usr, use /usr/local instead |
| 05:24.04 | nevyn | ShaunR: file |
| 05:24.37 | nevyn | will tell you type and stuff. usage is going to be tricky without mounting it. |
| 05:24.41 | nsadmin | in direct answer to your last question, it could if you have both done make install AND install the same software by package |
| 05:26.33 | foo | nsadmin: ah, looks like it is in /usr/local/bin/finch - so maybe it was source |
| 05:26.35 | peterrooney | ShaunR: fdisk -l ?? |
| 05:27.08 | foo | nsadmin: ah, I found the source. it was installed from source :) |
| 05:27.16 | karlpinc | ShaunR: sfdisk -l |
| 05:28.10 | tharkun | SingAlong: Still looking for the program i told you. I'll post it here if i find it |
| 05:28.20 | nsadmin | oh... interesting... you actually had a reason for asking that question... I guess I was treating it in isolation |
| 05:30.29 | ShaunR | peterrooney & karlpinc: these are flat disk images, no partitions, just a filesystem |
| 05:32.53 | BLZbubba | ok i'm trying the netinst installer, but it is choking when it tries to use ftp.us.debian.org as a squeeze mirror |
| 05:33.12 | BLZbubba | is this an installer problem or do i have to use a different mirror? |
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| 05:34.35 | BLZbubba | debian/dists/squeeze is up there too, weird |
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| 06:16.08 | rafuch0 | hey guys a quick question.... if i am seting up a WEB and MAIL server my most important mount point is /var right ? |
| 06:16.44 | Talon_ | I guess, apache defaults to /var/www |
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| 06:17.26 | rafuch0 | and the mail i knew about apache but the mail? |
| 06:17.55 | Talon_ | no clue on that one, never setup pop3 |
| 06:18.15 | rafuch0 | thnks Talon_ anyone? |
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| 06:22.12 | peterrooney | rafuch0: might be an idea to have separate mounts for /var/www/ and /var/mail/ |
| 06:24.36 | rafuch0 | but considering that my intention are web and mail server my attention must be on /var ... can someone that had some experience whit sendmail confirm this please |
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| 06:28.33 | rafuch0 | confirmed |
| 06:28.46 | rafuch0 | var is the choice for my RAID setup :) |
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| 06:29.09 | rafuch0 | and also for my web gooood |
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| 06:39.10 | SingAlong | tharkun: sure! thanks! |
| 06:41.14 | SingAlong | tharkun: I found SystemImager and FAI (Fully Automated Install). Both seem cool. but SystemImager allows cloning the install to another partition or disk (faster when the hardware config is the same) |
| 06:44.05 | everyman | I encounter a problem whilst connecting online using huawei e161 3g, it throws message `no network protocols running'. What does that mean? |
| 06:44.54 | everyman | I search online but don't know its exactly meaning. |
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| 06:49.28 | cmyers | hey all, I am thinking about getting an EC2 micro instance as a full time colo'd box (like a personal linode). I'd like to run debian squeeze on it. Can anyone recommend an AMI? I did some searching and the ones I found were all desktop it looked like. I just want a base install. |
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| 06:50.07 | cast | could just make your own, that way you don't have to trust the AMI creator |
| 06:50.38 | cmyers | cast: never done that - but is iteasy? I am very comfy with debootstrap and other install methods. |
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| 06:51.42 | cast | dunno, it doesn't *look* hard ^_^ |
| 06:52.10 | cmyers | hah! famous last words. We shall see soon enough, I suppose =) |
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| 06:56.52 | cmyers | ok, here goes nuthin', following directions here: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/message.jspa?messageID=69955 |
| 06:57.06 | cmyers | as I predicted, looks like it is debootstrap + chroot party. |
| 06:58.16 | songer | hello need some help, how can i connect to wireless connection |
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| 06:59.16 | arctanx | songer: assuming everything's working correctly, there should be a little icon in the top right which looks like a couple of computers. click on that and look for the name of the wireless network in the list the drops down |
| 06:59.18 | songer | do i need to install the networkmanager |
| 06:59.49 | songer | arctanx, theres nothing like in ubuntu |
| 06:59.59 | arctanx | you will probably want that, at least for the instructions I just gave you. it's installed by default if you selected the desktop environment I believe |
| 07:00.26 | songer | i selected desktop |
| 07:00.29 | arctanx | ubuntu uses network manager too so yes do install that if you haven't |
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| 07:02.09 | songer | arcsky, i don't have internet connection just wireless |
| 07:02.37 | arctanx | okay well let's make sure that it's installed first of all |
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| 07:02.48 | arctanx | do you know how to do that? |
| 07:03.20 | songer | i don't see it |
| 07:03.30 | arctanx | the packages, I mean |
| 07:03.41 | songer | ok how can i see |
| 07:03.49 | songer | or know |
| 07:03.50 | arctanx | pop open a terminal and type: aptitude search network-manager |
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| 07:04.29 | arctanx | you should see about a dozen lines. you want to see something like "i A" at the start of the line in front of "network-manager" and "network-manger-gnome" |
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| 07:11.55 | songer | it does't make nothig arctanx |
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| 07:19.09 | Mikaze | Anyone know how to get Debian to play DVDs? |
| 07:20.33 | Dewi | Mikaze: there are likely to be licensing issues |
| 07:20.53 | Mikaze | I don't wanna hear that. |
| 07:20.58 | arctanx | songer: hmm it doesn't produce any lines at all? are you sure you spelt it right? |
| 07:20.59 | Dewi | Mikaze: the debian multimedia project might be able to help |
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| 07:21.20 | songer | yes |
| 07:22.21 | Mikaze | considers porting to Ubuntu, since he's sick and tired of this licensing crap. |
| 07:22.52 | Mikaze | Thanks. |
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| 07:24.17 | songer | arctanx, in ubuntu it does but in debian |
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| 07:24.35 | songer | did i make something |
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| 07:24.58 | Dewi | songer: you must be using a strange version, or have bad sources |
| 07:25.35 | songer | as rooot in debian? |
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| 07:25.43 | songer | sudo su, ubuntu |
| 07:25.50 | songer | dewi? debian? |
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| 07:26.03 | Dewi | songer: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 07:26.19 | Dewi | songer: you need to install 'network-manager' |
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| 07:26.57 | songer | i just have wireless connection |
| 07:26.58 | Dewi | songer: where are you getting packages from at the moment? |
| 07:28.46 | songer | Dewi, i download debian from here cd image from here |
| 07:28.59 | songer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 07:31.46 | Dewi | songer: did you use CD-1, or businesscard, or netinst? |
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| 07:32.57 | Dewi | dpkg: cd network-manager |
| 07:32.57 | dpkg | Dewi: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:33.13 | Dewi | guys is there a script in here for locating a package on the CDs? |
| 07:33.35 | Dewi | nmind, found it |
| 07:33.41 | Dewi | songer: network-manager is on CD-2 |
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| 07:33.57 | songer | i download just one cd |
| 07:34.00 | songer | dewi |
| 07:34.13 | cliper | test |
| 07:34.14 | pocoyo | cliper: ç§è²è½ç¶è½¬ç¬å³é,å´æ¯é£ä¹ç迷人ã http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=267605 :-) |
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| 07:35.15 | Dewi | songer: yes, most people do. If you can't get hold of CD-2 or attach a simpler network, you could copy the .deb files yourself from packages.debian.org |
| 07:36.19 | Dewi | songer: choose your debian version then download for your architecture here - http://packages.debian.org/network-manager |
| 07:36.50 | Dewi | songer: alternatively, you could try to do initial setup without network-manager |
| 07:36.55 | Dewi | !wireless |
| 07:36.55 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 07:37.21 | Dewi | songer: try following the hints of the dpkg robot to set up manually |
| 07:37.34 | Dewi | wlan howto |
| 07:37.38 | Dewi | !wlan howto |
| 07:37.39 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux . Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . Related: <wireless-tools>, <adhoc>, <hostapd>, <rfkill>. |
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| 07:40.06 | songer | i gonna download deb |
| 07:41.25 | songer | Dewi, is there some problem i download i386 but this machine has bobil amd? |
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| 07:41.34 | songer | mobil |
| 07:41.52 | Dewi | songer: type uname -a |
| 07:42.45 | Dewi | songer: what's the second last word? |
| 07:42.48 | songer | then dewi? |
| 07:44.02 | Dewi | songer: uname -m |
| 07:44.19 | Dewi | songer: what does it say? |
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| 07:44.43 | songer | Linux rod 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 30 07:01:57 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:44.52 | songer | uname -a |
| 07:44.55 | Dewi | songer: ok you should choose i386 |
| 07:45.11 | songer | yes |
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| 07:46.02 | songer | i86 |
| 07:46.09 | songer | i686 |
| 07:46.19 | Dewi | songer: i686 arch uses i386 packages |
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| 07:47.20 | songer | should i install other |
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| 07:51.08 | Intensity | Hi. I'd like to get a working X configuration on an Asus EeePC that worked in 5.0. I'm told "No kernel modesetting driver detected". I guess that means I have to reboot and append something like i915.modeset=1 to boot. I then may need to load modules like i915. Any ideas? |
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| 07:55.57 | mlangenberg | Does anyone has some experience with using Monit, God or Supervisord? I would like to use some kind of process monitor to make sure a few simple processes are running all the time. Not sure which to take. |
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| 08:23.06 | JohnnyL_ | What files do I need to change so that X does start at boot up? |
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| 08:24.26 | cesurasean1 | Can someone tell me how to fix webalizer? I don't see any errors when I type "webalizer" on command line. the problem is my stats aren't being updated anymore. please help! |
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| 08:26.49 | cesurasean1 | anyone? |
| 08:27.14 | tarzeau | we have snow! https://www.webcam.ethz.ch/detail.html?&webcamid_get=21 |
| 08:27.44 | D4rKr0W | tarzeau: where is that? |
| 08:27.50 | tarzeau | D4rKr0W: zurich, switzerland |
| 08:27.55 | D4rKr0W | oh |
| 08:28.00 | D4rKr0W | close enough! |
| 08:28.30 | cliper | can't see the stream |
| 08:28.30 | cesurasean1 | when i run 'webalizer' im getting this: http://pastebin.ca/2000785 |
| 08:28.40 | cliper | using ubuntu/firefox |
| 08:28.41 | tarzeau | cliper: which browser? |
| 08:28.48 | themill | tarzeau: ECHAN? |
| 08:28.49 | tarzeau | cliper: it works for me: debian/google chrome |
| 08:28.59 | D4rKr0W | we might actually get some snow down here aswell then |
| 08:28.59 | cliper | hmm ok i'll try chrome |
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| 08:29.09 | D4rKr0W | stream is pretty fluent :o |
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| 08:29.30 | cliper | still nothing |
| 08:29.38 | tarzeau | D4rKr0W: we're connected with gbit to other countries, see this map: http://www.switch.ch/network/operation/weathermap/index.html |
| 08:30.04 | tarzeau | cesurasean1: did you check your webalizer logs? |
| 08:30.20 | tarzeau | cesurasean1: when i used webalizer, the only moment i had the problem you have is, when running out of diskspace |
| 08:30.42 | tarzeau | cesurasean1: have you tried looking at bugs.debian.org/webalizer ? |
| 08:30.49 | cesurasean1 | Warning: Truncating oversized username |
| 08:30.50 | cesurasean1 | Skipping bad record (3093) |
| 08:30.50 | cesurasean1 | No valid records found! |
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| 08:31.08 | tarzeau | cesurasean1: now look at the logfile it tries to process, line 3093 |
| 08:32.25 | tarzeau | JohnnyL_: usually one installs gdm/wdm/kdm or something similar |
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| 08:33.32 | jelly-home | mlangenberg: personally, to merely make a script run at at times, I'd use daemontools or runit. monit I use when there's a more complex check to verify a service is working, and if it doesn't have a ready-made daemontools run script ready |
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| 08:35.58 | cesurasean1 | Warning: Truncating oversized hostname |
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| 08:36.03 | cesurasean1 | thats the error im getting |
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| 08:39.09 | cesurasean1 | when i ran webalizer -p -n domain.com -o /home/username/domains/domain.com/stats /var/log/httpd/domains/domain.com.log my stats updated! |
| 08:39.13 | cesurasean1 | what could be my problem? |
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| 08:39.45 | cesurasean1 | ha its not scheduled to update |
| 08:39.48 | cesurasean1 | i found the problem |
| 08:39.49 | cesurasean1 | thanks anyways |
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| 08:59.59 | mlangenberg | When I write a runit '/etc/services/app/run' script. Does that app needs to do its own backgrounding?\ |
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| 09:01.04 | jelly-home | mlangenberg: on the contrary, it needs to be run in foreground |
| 09:01.11 | JohnnyL_ | no hello |
| 09:01.17 | mlangenberg | right, that is what I expected. |
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| 09:01.43 | mlangenberg | I get an error after about a second when I want to run my service: timeout: down: jeffrey: 0s, normally up, want up |
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| 09:02.07 | jelly-home | that means it died (and keeps dying when restarted) |
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| 09:03.34 | jelly-home | look at the logs for reasons; normally on daemontools the log would be in /service/app/log/main/current; I'm not sure how much runit diverges from this, paths to /etc/services directory excluded |
| 09:03.44 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: but I can run 'bash -x /etc/service/jeffrey/run' without problems. The app stays in the foreground. |
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| 09:04.14 | jelly-home | mlangenberg: are you execing the same thing at the end of your run script? (well, probably without -x) |
| 09:04.34 | jelly-home | er, wait |
| 09:04.59 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: :), that simply starts a small ruby script. |
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| 09:06.52 | jelly-home | mlangenberg: seems reasonable. My /services/mailstats/run does just this: #!/bin/sh \n exec 2>&1 \n exec envuidgid mailstats /usr/local/auto/update-mailstats.pl |
| 09:07.32 | mlangenberg | I do about the same |
| 09:07.33 | JohnnyL_ | no hello! |
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| 09:07.41 | jelly-home | (envuidgid is daemontools' su replacement) |
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| 09:11.32 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: https://gist.github.com/713368 |
| 09:12.51 | mlangenberg | runit should be able to run that, right? |
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| 09:14.52 | jelly-home | you wanted to write "while true", not "while [ true ]", but yeah |
| 09:16.01 | mlangenberg | I am able to run the script manually, but when I use 'sv start ...', I get a timeout. |
| 09:16.31 | mlangenberg | got it! |
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| 09:17.18 | bolt | I tried running the squeeze netinstall on my intel mac mini (late 2006), i let it partition automatically, which led to a bootstrap partition, one partition for files and one for swap. Then I installed the "standard system" in tasksel and nothing else. Grub was installed to MBR per default. After reboot, the thing just sits there with a blinking question mark folder. Help? Same thing happens with lenny :( |
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| 09:18.37 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: I the 'run' script did not have exec permission. Alright, now figure out how to redirect the STDOUT logging to a file. |
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| 09:21.56 | djszapi | http://pastebin.com/Rn0FvrYM -> What do I do wrong ? I would like to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 09:58.20 | reavengrey | Hello :) |
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| 10:00.59 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: how do you stop a runit service? Even 'sv exit name' just restarts the script. |
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| 10:02.41 | mlangenberg | jelly-home: it is actually also starting another instance ... |
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| 10:05.48 | jelly | mlangenberg: well, I'm using the original daemontools, not runit. it has svc -d /services/app |
| 10:06.33 | jelly | mlangenberg: renaming the directory from /service/app to /service/.app makes svscan not consider it for starting at boot |
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| 10:07.06 | mlangenberg | jelly: ah, I found out this happend because I did not use the 'exec' command in my run script, just 'ruby /some/script'. |
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| 10:22.15 | Foxdie | Hi all, I know this is gonna be somewhat of a retarded question but I've had a google and can't seem to find the answer |
| 10:22.21 | Foxdie | What package provides "/usr/bin/mail" ? |
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| 10:22.38 | Foxdie | I've got a small PDA running armv5tel Debian Lenny and it doesn't have /usr/bin/mail |
| 10:23.01 | petemc | Foxdie: bsd-mailx |
| 10:24.02 | bolt | Foxdie: apt-file is a useful tool to determine the answer to those questions. (for future reference) |
| 10:24.20 | Foxdie | Fantastic, installing it now, one momet |
| 10:24.22 | Foxdie | *moment |
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| 10:33.47 | tecneeq | gents, the debian installer, when booted via PXE, sets the hostname to ,,debian'', ignoring what the dhcpd says the hostname is |
| 10:33.59 | tecneeq | a combo breaker for us |
| 10:34.16 | Foxdie | That installed the utility thanks, however it's not relaying mail out, I think I have to hit sendmail with a hammer, thanks though :) |
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| 10:36.25 | bolt | wishes sendmail would just die |
| 10:36.51 | tecneeq | anyone else using the squeeze-installer via PXE? it's hard to believe that such a major problem went unnoticed |
| 10:37.17 | jelly | tecneeq: there's a #debian-boot channel on irc.debian.org for installer issues. Have you filed a bug report yet? |
| 10:37.34 | Foxdie | bolt: please feel free to recommend an easy to use alternative? All I need to do is to be able to send email from my PDA which is connected to WIFI |
| 10:37.46 | petemc | tecneeq: do you not get an option to manually set the hostname? |
| 10:37.52 | tecneeq | bolt: sendmail as an MTA? why not postfix? sendmail to just drop messages to another SMTPD? try sendEmail (understands even tls) |
| 10:38.25 | tecneeq | petemc: yes, i get that message, but it says debian, not myhostname |
| 10:38.46 | petemc | tecneeq: and your backspace key doesnt work? |
| 10:38.51 | simonrvn | installer default... |
| 10:38.56 | tecneeq | jelly: there is a bug against another package wich mentions the problem, 601750 |
| 10:39.42 | tecneeq | petemc: well, if i want the user to set a random hostname i'll come back to your backspace trick, but until then i prefer the hostnames from my dhcpd ;) |
| 10:40.10 | jelly | tecneeq: I'd file a bug against d-i anyway |
| 10:40.40 | bolt | tecneeq: that's what i think :) tell it to Foxdie though, not me |
| 10:40.44 | dyek | Hi! In "ls -l" long listing output, I starts seeing a lot of Unix permission likes "-rw-rw-r--." What really is the ending dot "."? Is it related to Ext-4 FS at all? |
| 10:40.45 | vtts | tecneeq, IIRC d-i uses PTR records for default hostname |
| 10:40.46 | tecneeq | jelly: i guess so, but i'll go to #debian-boot in a few minutes |
| 10:41.05 | tecneeq | vtts: wich are existing |
| 10:41.08 | simonrvn | probably just a matter of making the preseed stuff pick up the hostname from dhcp. |
| 10:41.11 | simonrvn | 'which' |
| 10:41.20 | Foxdie | Thanks all, I got email sending working :) |
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| 10:43.09 | tecneeq | simonrvn: right, i try to use preseed, that's how i discovered the problem, thanks so far |
| 10:44.35 | petern_ | i have a pair of disks in a raid-1. one of the disks is showing uncorrectable I/O errors, however, it's not been kicked out of the array. is this... normal? |
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| 10:45.27 | vtts | petern_, no, it is not |
| 10:45.36 | vtts | petern_, try forcing a check |
| 10:45.44 | vtts | or failing a drive your self |
| 10:45.59 | petern_ | actually it was doing a check when it encountered the I/O errors |
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| 10:58.40 | _reber | hi |
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| 11:00.02 | tecneeq | it's all a big mystery to me. |
| 11:01.21 | _reber | glxgears segfaults (no error messages) with radeon hd4650. I tried both source based drivers (with m-a) and packaged drivers fglrx, both failed. Any ideas ? |
| 11:01.48 | _reber | and of course i get no working opengl game |
| 11:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, get a backtrace... |
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| 11:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually some wrong version of a runtime lib... nothing to do with the kernel module |
| 11:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also look with ldd if you can spot any unusual library that doesn't belong |
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| 11:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, gdb glxgears ---> run ---> bt |
| 11:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not too useful because you don't have debugging symbols compiled in, but you'll see from there |
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| 11:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is lenny? |
| 11:07.34 | orak3l | im trying to build my own debian package. ive setup a build environment with dh_make and everything is in place now. but i need to specify some options like --enable-XXX as i would do with ./configure. where do i place my needs so that dpkg-buildpackage will recognize them? |
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| 11:09.02 | crono- | CutMeOwnThroat: dibbler? |
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| 11:09.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes? |
| 11:09.30 | crono- | :D |
| 11:09.42 | crono- | is a discworld fan aswell |
| 11:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | orak3l, debian/rules, where the configure is called? |
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| 11:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | orak3l, #debian-mentors on oftc is probablybetter for that type of question |
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| 11:12.30 | delby | hi. this is my cfdisk output http://pastebin.com/TepVnaMZ i am running out of space in my main debian partition sda7 and would like to add 10gb of the free space as a new logical partition to my debian system or add it to the existing sda7. how do i do it? |
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| 11:13.11 | orak3l | CutMeOwnThroat, i have created a debian package like that where i had not the need to configure something special. debian rules has just two lines which looks like this: %:\ndh $@ |
| 11:13.42 | orak3l | CutMeOwnThroat, configure will be invoked somehow automatically |
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| 11:14.04 | poisonbit | package cron-apt does not purge okey, or does not restart cron if needed when the package is unistalled. |
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| 11:15.22 | poisonbit | after uninstalling it, i got an email like: "/usr/sbin/cron-apt: internal run_parts called, but /etc/cron-apt/action.d does not exist or is not a directory. |
| 11:15.22 | poisonbit | ls: cannot access /etc/cron-apt/action.d: No such file or directory" |
| 11:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just looked at the gnuplot package, where it's in there to check... I don't know how it's invoked when not from there |
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| 11:15.34 | orak3l | CutMeOwnThroat, debian-mentors is invite only ;( |
| 11:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | orak3l, on oftc.net, not here |
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| 11:18.48 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: it is squeeze. Ok trying the gdb backtrace |
| 11:20.25 | negge | anyone here familiar with logwatch? |
| 11:20.34 | negge | I've copied the default conf ti /etc/logwatch/conf |
| 11:20.55 | negge | but when I run it without any options, it just outputs to the screen when it should sen it by mail |
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| 11:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | delby, gparted can grow partitions... don't forget to backup before, though |
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| 11:22.56 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: #0 0xb7f7a29c in XF86DRIQueryExtension () from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 when running glxgears with RADEON HD 4650. |
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| 11:22.59 | delby | CutMeOwnThroat: thats why i thought maybe adding another logical is the safer option |
| 11:23.27 | _reber | then #1 0x0000000f in ?? () .. |
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| 11:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | delby, but messier as you have to move stuff around, also you then have two partitions you can run out of space of separately |
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| 11:25.41 | delby | CutMeOwnThroat: if i do want to add new, do i just create it formate it and mount it? |
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| 11:27.16 | _reber | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.39 | _reber | s/I/It |
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| 11:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | _reber, pastebin the backtrace? |
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| 11:32.05 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.ca/2000867 |
| 11:32.48 | _reber | it's this device : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650] |
| 11:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not overly complex |
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| 11:33.29 | _reber | hears |
| 11:33.33 | pom | I have an MX record pointed at my Debian server. What is the simplest way to start receiving email at it? |
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| 11:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/555158 |
| 11:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | _reber, ^^^ |
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| 11:37.48 | _reber | k, what's this jokey tool ? Ubuntu stuff ? |
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| 11:38.11 | kristian_ | hi all |
| 11:38.29 | kristian_ | I'm looking for a program to view pictures in and edit them lightly |
| 11:39.08 | kristian_ | I have gpaint + gpicviewer now, but they're a bit too simplistic for my needs |
| 11:39.16 | cusco | pom: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 11:40.17 | pom | cusco: Ah, it's as easy as that. I'm using postfix at the moment. If I send an email to pom@myserver and the user pom exists on that server will the mail end up in /var/mail/pom? |
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| 11:40.43 | homie | can someone tell me where the locale=""de_DEbla"" thing comes from in my locales ? |
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| 11:40.59 | homie | i mean the long double quotes |
| 11:41.01 | homie | lol |
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| 11:41.10 | homie | or double double quotes |
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| 11:41.48 | homie | only LANG and LC_ALL are devoid of any quotes |
| 11:42.00 | cusco | pom: I guess it will, if postfix is configured correctly. check postfix logs to check |
| 11:42.07 | homie | all else is double double qutoed here as i see is that normal ? |
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| 11:42.18 | pom | cusco: K, tnx! |
| 11:42.19 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know what this jokey tool. Besides sthat i have previously no fglrx drivers installed, and all graphic stuff was really slow. No dri either. Then i suspect that if i remove this driver things can't go better maybe. |
| 11:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was a different problem... if you're not using fglrx, you shouldnt use the libGL from it |
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| 11:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gotta decide, either use one driver or the other |
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| 11:46.42 | kristian_ | _reber: what card? |
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| 11:46.54 | _reber | kristian_: it's this device : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650] |
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| 11:47.19 | homie | erm i see two socket files in /tmp/orbit-user is that normal ? |
| 11:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what pciid does that have? looks like [xxxx:xxxx] with lspci -nnn |
| 11:47.22 | kristian_ | I have it's sibling, I think |
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| 11:48.02 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: this one : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650] [1002:9498] |
| 11:48.06 | homie | and what is that lock for ior in /tmp/gconfd-user good for ? |
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| 11:48.23 | kristian_ | I'm doing okay with the open driver, but my needs may differ from yours of course |
| 11:48.26 | _reber | kristian_: did you managed to have opengl/dri running ok ? |
| 11:48.52 | kristian_ | I'm pretty sure |
| 11:49.17 | _reber | mmm... Wich driver do you use ? |
| 11:50.28 | _reber | i tried both with and without fglrx (from source and from packages), all failed ... I don't know how to use another libGL lib ... |
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| 11:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 1002:9498 |
| 11:50.38 | judd | [1002:9498] is 'RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9498 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
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| 11:51.40 | kristian_ | _reber: I can't remember how to check... |
| 11:51.41 | kristian_ | ;) |
| 11:52.37 | _reber | kristian_: glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 11:52.46 | kristian_ | thanks |
| 11:52.46 | _reber | if it says Yes --> bingo :) |
| 11:53.15 | kristian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.16 | kristian_ | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:53.33 | kristian_ | however, it should be added this is on my Linux Mint install |
| 11:54.02 | kristian_ | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] [1002:95c5] |
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| 11:54.35 | kristian_ | I don't think I have much 3d, though |
| 11:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | _reber, so what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say you're using? And I guess dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (make sure you don't check on a softlink but on the real file there) |
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| 11:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | _reber, should say loadmodule fglrx and fglrxdrm for the first one, followed by a lot of "fglrx(0) lines where it's configuring stuff and say diversion by fglrx-glx to [etc.] for the 2nd one if you're using fglrx |
| 11:58.47 | LowKey | hello, i having some problem with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration , i check into it , it not match with my netbook , my product is : intel powered classmate PC vendor ELITEGROUP |
| 11:58.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, lsmod |grep fglrx should show the module |
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| 12:03.00 | Lantizia | Hey I've got the source code from the original developer for a program, and made a debian directory to make multiple packages from it... it's got a complete control file in there too... do I need to make a dsc? I only ask as the dsc would only contain what the control file already does |
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| 12:03.35 | wrksx | hi all, is is true to think that something compiled on a debian 5 - 64bit should work on ANY debian 5 - 64bit ? |
| 12:04.06 | rwmjones | I'm trying to build a deb. However my program must not be built as root (not even fakeroot, because it uses fakeroot during the build). Is this possible? |
| 12:04.09 | themill | Lantizia: the dsc is made for you during the build process just the same way as the .diff.gz (or .debian.tar.gz) is made for you |
| 12:04.35 | Lantizia | themill: ok then I'm doing something wrong :S |
| 12:04.42 | crono- | wrksx: yes, but if its e.g. linked to 64bit libraries they need to exist like before |
| 12:04.57 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: (II) LoadModule: "ati" *And* (II) LoadModule: "radeon" |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'vga_drv.so' returned no results. |
| 12:05.03 | _reber | quite weird |
| 12:05.25 | wrksx | crono-, great, so the fact that it is intel or amd doesn't matter for exemple ? |
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| 12:05.47 | themill | Lantizia: I presume you've read the new maintainer's guide by now? |
| 12:05.54 | _reber | looks like there are 2 modules : ati and radeon loaded. No fglrx tho ... |
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| 12:06.28 | Lantizia | themill: yes but it's not quite sunk in :S |
| 12:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, check on the other things... the important thing is that they all match together... |
| 12:06.43 | themill | time and practice. |
| 12:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and obviously they don'T |
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| 12:08.04 | crono- | wrksx: yes, correct me if im wrong but iirc we're all using the amd64 instruction set, unless its an itanium processor which is another matter (ia64) |
| 12:08.51 | wrksx | crono-, pretty cool |
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| 12:09.06 | wrksx | crono-, thanks for sharing |
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| 12:10.02 | crono- | wrksx: np |
| 12:12.50 | sec_goat | I am looking for some help getting my Wireless 1390 WLAN minicard working on my Dell Latitude D630, any one familiar with this? |
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| 12:13.38 | scoobertron | is there any way of forcing a virtual console resolution which doesn't show up when using vga=ask in grub? |
| 12:14.11 | tarzeau | scoobertron: fbset? |
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| 12:17.16 | shalok | When I try to run alsaplayer it says that it is " unable to open slave" and that "Device or resource busy". Why does it do this? I can play mp3's just fine with audacious... |
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| 12:19.14 | pom | What port(s) needs to be open to receive email with postfix? |
| 12:19.47 | ecolitan | pom: 25 and 587 normally |
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| 12:20.51 | ta3 | Does your isp block port 25 and 110? |
| 12:21.26 | pom | Nothing is blocked. |
| 12:21.46 | ta3 | Port 25 is smtp and port 110 is pop3 |
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| 12:22.23 | ta3 | With cox.net residental service they block the ports unless you have a business account with them. |
| 12:22.33 | pom | ta3: Isn't pop3 only for bringing home the mail to your computer? |
| 12:23.07 | ta3 | Pop3 is pull your mail in to your mail reader like Microsoft outlook. |
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| 12:24.22 | pom | ta3: Yeah, that's not what I'm doing. I just want mail to pom@myserver to end up in /var/mail/pom |
| 12:24.26 | pom | Works locally. |
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| 12:24.59 | pom | Ah, works globally now to when I opened those ports. |
| 12:25.21 | ta3 | I am using dovecot and postfix and dtc configured it for me. |
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| 12:27.10 | mutante | pom: yep, you only need 25 to receive mails, postfix is not a POP3 server, so you can close 110 again |
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| 12:27.34 | pom | mutante: Yepp, some trial and error confirmed 25 did the trick. |
| 12:28.42 | mutante | pom: could be that you want SSL then also 465 |
| 12:28.58 | pom | mutante: Thanks, but not today. =) |
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| 12:29.12 | sec_goat | I apparently have two versions of pidgin installed, If i just create a launcher and give it the command of pidgin, it launches the wrong version, but if i go into the new install directory and type pidgin i get the right version, however I cannot seem to get the new version to run by launcher, is there a script or something I can write to fix this? |
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| 12:30.42 | sec_goat | hmmm never mind on that one.. . |
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| 12:30.59 | _reber | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thanks trying removal of all fglrx packages. brb |
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| 12:32.59 | Lantizia | Can I get dpkg-buildpackage to get the depenancies for me? I don't see an option for that - so I guess I just get them manually? |
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| 12:33.58 | themill | Lantizia: install the build-deps by reading debian/control? You need mk-build-deps from equivs. |
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| 12:34.24 | stew | Lantizia: if the package is known to apt, you can apt-get bulid-dep packagename |
| 12:34.26 | ta3 | Pom can I show you someting in pm? |
| 12:34.51 | Lantizia | stew: it's not |
| 12:35.14 | Lantizia | themill: oh I know I can install those I can read in the control file manually - but was hoping dpkg-buildpackage can automatically get what it needs |
| 12:35.49 | themill | Lantizia: that's not dpkg-buildpackage's job. It's job is to build the package. |
| 12:36.02 | Lantizia | ok I'll manually apt-get what is needed |
| 12:36.04 | themill | takes back one of the apostrophes. |
| 12:36.16 | stew | Lantizia: i recommend just using pbuilder or cowbuilder to build packages anyway |
| 12:36.54 | stew | those will build the package in a clean chroot, and will fetch the build deps automatically (and leave you with a pristine chroot for the next package) |
| 12:37.16 | themill | stew: don't all the cool kids use sbuild these days? :þ |
| 12:37.18 | Lantizia | stew: I barely know dpkg-buildpackage... I'll stick with what I kinda know |
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| 12:37.24 | eshat | Which GFX Card would you recommend: Nvidia QuadroFX 550 or Radeon X1300/X1550 |
| 12:37.35 | eshat | I have both here and don't know which will perform better |
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| 12:38.06 | eshat | oh and the ATI is a Radeon X1300 Pro ( Iam sorry if this is the wrong place to ask) |
| 12:41.02 | stew | themill: i don't think anyone not running a buildd is running sbuild |
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| 12:42.19 | themill | stew: quite a few people seem to be using it instead of cowbuilder these days from what I've been reading. Once you've got schroot up and working for development stuff anyway, I guess it's not much extra work to go for sbuild. |
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| 12:46.39 | eshat | themill: what should be used to maintain a package pbuilder or cowbuilder ? |
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| 12:47.37 | themill | eshat: either should be just fine. cowbuilder is just a wrapper around pbuilder that makes chroot creation and tear-down faster. |
| 12:47.58 | eshat | themill: ahh good to know, thanks |
| 12:48.27 | shalok | Why can't I play sound with both VLC and alsaplayer at the same time? Either separately works fine. I can even start multiple VLC or multiple alsaplayer ok. But if I run one of each, only one plays audio. |
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| 12:52.04 | alfadir | hi, looking for help with openldap/gnutls with openssl cert. run into "main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1" permissions ok, other pointers ? |
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| 12:52.29 | alfadir | older box with openssl works with the same cert.. newer slapd in debian is gnutls only. |
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| 12:55.39 | sec_goat | where can I find network-manager? |
| 12:56.01 | streuner_ | !search |
| 12:56.02 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
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| 12:57.48 | sec_goat | ok how about this, I installed network-manager so i can use network-manager-vpnc-gnome to connect to a Cisco VPN client, now when I search people tell me to use network-manager but I cannot find it and typing network-manager into the command line does nothing? |
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| 12:58.17 | sec_goat | also I am using those links, thanks |
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| 13:05.14 | tgywa | can I install .exe on debian? |
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| 13:05.49 | sec_goat | tgywa: often you can use exe files if you have Wine installed |
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| 13:10.49 | Larcen_ | hi all |
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| 13:12.09 | chilli0 | Hi, I would like some help I have broken packages. How can I magicaly fix them? |
| 13:12.15 | chilli0 | m |
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| 13:12.52 | StucKman | do you know any simple tool to color output to the console for bash scripts? besides echo, I mean. I'm thinking of something like «color -n blue "foo "; color -n yellow red "bar "; color normal "baz"» |
| 13:13.04 | StucKman | chilli0: apt-get -f install |
| 13:13.39 | StucKman | but of course it depends on how packages are broken |
| 13:14.15 | chilli0 | StucKman, Didn't do anything. And these ones are. apt-get -f install |
| 13:14.16 | chilli0 | Ops |
| 13:14.28 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.28 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:14.58 | StucKman | chilli0: and apt-get -f install does nothing? |
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| 13:15.15 | themill | chilli0: please describe what you have done to end up in this situation |
| 13:15.39 | chilli0 | themill, No clue. The box was installed about 2 weeks ago. And I have done nothing except for run my samba shares. |
| 13:16.01 | StucKman | chilli0: stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 13:16.14 | themill | chilli0: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude install" for us? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 13:16.47 | chilli0 | Okay the mill. |
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| 13:16.56 | chilli0 | Package files: |
| 13:16.56 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.56 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.56 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.06 | StucKman | heeh |
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| 13:17.40 | themill | dpkg: tell chilli0 about paste |
| 13:17.41 | chilli0 | Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 13:17.43 | chilli0 | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 13:17.44 | chilli0 | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:17.46 | chilli0 | Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 13:17.47 | StucKman | chilli0: stop |
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| 13:17.51 | themill | chilli0: please stop pasting |
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| 13:17.53 | StucKman | please stop |
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| 13:18.42 | chilli0 | Sorry about that. |
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| 13:19.31 | chilli0 | http://pastebin.com/MbBpyCwT |
| 13:19.58 | chilli0 | I just added the backports and experimental about 3mins ago so that I could install transmission , the lastest version of it. |
| 13:20.04 | StucKman | chilli0: running exerimental can get you in that state |
| 13:20.08 | themill | chilli0: mixing experimental with stable isn't something that is going to work out well. But you don't seem to have any broken packages now anyway |
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| 13:20.50 | chilli0 | So don't use experimental? |
| 13:21.03 | themill | no. don't. |
| 13:21.09 | themill | dpkg: tell chilli0 about experimental |
| 13:21.47 | chilli0 | Oh okay. |
| 13:22.12 | StucKman | chilli0: it could be possible, but you should learn about package pinning and you should know what you're doing :| |
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| 13:22.25 | StucKman | and then it can be a nightmare |
| 13:23.01 | greenmang0 | is there any command which will list dependencies of package? |
| 13:23.30 | themill | greenmang0: apt-cache show |
| 13:23.38 | chilli0 | StucKman, Okay. Well I need to get the sqeeze sources thingo. How can I pull that one in? |
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| 13:24.02 | themill | chilli0: the fundamental problem here is mixing releases. You shouldn't do that. |
| 13:24.34 | chilli0 | themill, So if I want things from squeeze I should upgrade my distro? |
| 13:25.10 | themill | chilli0: squeeze still has some rough edges and doesn't have security support. It's not ready to be used in many situations |
| 13:25.23 | greenmang0 | themill: no, this command is not giving me the output i want |
| 13:25.33 | greenmang0 | themill: aptitude -y -s install pkgname |
| 13:25.39 | StucKman | chilli0: you could try to backport it by hand. that means recompiling the package against your current version of the dependencies, but it does not always work |
| 13:25.41 | mike-burns | I'm trying to install squeezeboxserver. I see it's not in stable/testing/unstable, but Slim offers their own apt source. Is that the reason that it's not in the Debian sources, or is there something else going on? |
| 13:25.49 | mike-burns | And, in general, how can I know this for any other package. |
| 13:26.06 | mike-burns | (Examples of something else going on: license issues, quality issues.) |
| 13:26.09 | chilli0 | themill, Okay. So then I should just build the thing from source? |
| 13:26.17 | StucKman | greenmang0: apt-cache show foo | grep Depends |
| 13:26.30 | themill | greenmang0: it sounds like you're trying to recursively list dependencies, not just for one package then. /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 13:26.59 | greenmang0 | StucKman: that doesn't list all the dependencies |
| 13:27.44 | StucKman | greenmang0: it list the deps, but not the deps' deps, if that's what you mean |
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| 13:28.31 | greenmang0 | StucKman: yeah... you are right :) |
| 13:28.34 | themill | greenmang0: it does list all dependencies for that package which is, after all, what you asked for. It doesn't do so recursively though (showing you the list of dependencies for each of those packages). As I said, /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 13:29.18 | greenmang0 | themill: yes... doing that |
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| 13:36.22 | tgywa | sec_goat, apt-cache search Wine gave me error |
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| 13:36.52 | StucKman | tgywa: wine, lowercase |
| 13:37.29 | tgywa | StucKman, # apt-cache search wine ... same error ... "W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.se.debian.org potato/main Packages ... " |
| 13:38.20 | tgywa | dpkg --install wine ... also gave me error |
| 13:38.20 | dpkg | tgywa: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 13:38.56 | StucKman | tgywa: try apt-get update and then again search |
| 13:39.03 | tgywa | How can I install wine on Debian GNU/\s 3.0 ? |
| 13:39.18 | Rienzilla | debian 3.0?? |
| 13:39.35 | Rienzilla | that's... potato or woody? |
| 13:39.52 | tgywa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.02 | Rienzilla | wow, you have an old system man :) |
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| 13:40.22 | tgywa | Rienzilla, yes |
| 13:40.31 | SlayerXP | 3.0 is woody, and has been unmaintained for over 4 years |
| 13:40.34 | Rienzilla | we've had four major releases since potato, it's like 10 years old |
| 13:40.44 | SlayerXP | it's 8 years old |
| 13:40.51 | StucKman | wow |
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| 13:41.36 | Rienzilla | well tgywa, the answer to your question is probably, you can't unless you find a server which still has potato or woody repositories up |
| 13:41.45 | tgywa | huhu ...but please help me in ... installing the package VMware-converter-all-4.3.0-292238.exe on that very old machine ...? |
| 13:41.50 | Rienzilla | and even if you find that i'd not recommend it |
| 13:41.58 | Rienzilla | why not upgrade it first? |
| 13:42.17 | flamingspinach | Hello. I recently installed debian squeeze, and looking through the menu at the top of the screen in GNOME, I found a program called "cheese", which seems to be an application for taking pictures using a webcam. |
| 13:42.36 | Rienzilla | every current piece of software will almost certainly rely on libraries which are newer than the ones on your system |
| 13:42.41 | StucKman | tgywa: do you have a good reason to be running optato? |
| 13:42.50 | flamingspinach | I don't have a webcam on this machine, so I thought I'd uninstall it... I opened synaptic and marked it for removal, and then synaptic told me that I would also have to uninstall gnome and gnome-desktop-environment in order to uninstall cheese |
| 13:43.02 | flamingspinach | is this seriously the case, and if so, why? :o |
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| 13:43.17 | tgywa | It is a production server ... being managed by someone else ... I just have to do this specific task ... I can't upgrade |
| 13:43.36 | Rienzilla | oh ok |
| 13:43.44 | Rienzilla | you have to virtualize it? |
| 13:43.45 | StucKman | tgywa: short answer is: you can't. tell them to upgrade |
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| 13:44.13 | tgywa | can't I install .exe files .. .on that old server ... any way? |
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| 13:44.50 | Rienzilla | tgywa: it would help if you were telling what you want to accompish by 'installing' that exe file |
| 13:44.53 | StucKman | tgywa: it won't be easy to find a repo for potato, and then the wine version might not even run your .exe |
| 13:44.59 | Rienzilla | exactly |
| 13:45.06 | themill | installing vmware for windows under wine on a potato machine is just sso wrong on so many levels. |
| 13:45.24 | Shadur | I know there was a command to get dpkg to check all md5sums of a package against the files it installed, but I've forgotten what it was. |
| 13:45.29 | tgywa | We would like to virtualize it .... any other way ... to deal with ? |
| 13:45.36 | themill | Shadur: /msg dpkg debsums |
| 13:45.40 | Rienzilla | tgywa: you don't need to install software to virtualize it |
| 13:45.47 | Rienzilla | just don't use paravirtualization |
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| 13:46.03 | Shadur | I think my apache2 server (debian lenny) has been compromised. Accessing any site will every so often tack a piece of clearly hostile javascript onto the top of the page, but I can't for the life of me figure out where it's generated from. |
| 13:46.09 | Rienzilla | (and installing the .exe under wine on potato is not gonna help making it paravirtualized) |
| 13:46.43 | Rienzilla | I'm not especially familiar with wine, but under citrix's xenserver you can simply make a virtual machine that can run anything that will run on an x86 processor |
| 13:46.53 | Rienzilla | I'm quite certain one can do the same with vmware |
| 13:46.59 | Rienzilla | uhnm |
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| 13:47.01 | Rienzilla | s/wine/vmware |
| 13:47.10 | StucKman | Rienzilla: vmware in amachine that's still running potato? |
| 13:47.20 | Rienzilla | StucKman: no, potato as a guest VM on vmware |
| 13:47.24 | Rienzilla | I think that's what he wants |
| 13:47.59 | Rienzilla | and that should be no problem |
| 13:48.01 | StucKman | Rienzilla: I think he wants some vmware windows app running on potato |
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| 13:48.01 | flamingspinach | Sorry, disregard - I found this :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563712 |
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| 13:48.34 | Rienzilla | StucKman: I am guessing that is the installer to add some improved device drivers in order to make the vm guest better manageable |
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| 13:49.03 | Rienzilla | but as long as tgywa does not enlighten us further i'll just stop guessing :) |
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| 13:50.06 | StucKman | tgywa: take a step back, what dou you want to accomplish installing that .exe? |
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| 13:50.28 | Rienzilla | 14:45 < tgywa> We would like to virtualize it .... any other way ... to deal with ? |
| 13:50.36 | tgywa | We just want it as a virtal machine. It can be on hyper_v or vmware ... if I get a work around ... will be happy. |
| 13:50.51 | Rienzilla | well you can |
| 13:51.00 | tgywa | poteto will be a guest OS |
| 13:51.03 | StucKman | tgywa: so you want to run the potato machine in a virtual machine? |
| 13:51.09 | StucKman | ok |
| 13:51.25 | StucKman | then you don't need to install anything on it |
| 13:51.37 | themill | moving on from potato should be part of this migration plan too... |
| 13:51.38 | tgywa | Yes. now it is a standalone physical box. I want it to run as virtual machine |
| 13:52.04 | Rienzilla | I would make a new VM on your favorite hypervisor, boot some linux livecd on it with access to the potato machine, and then copy your files and your bootloader |
| 13:52.18 | StucKman | I'm outta here |
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| 13:52.25 | Rienzilla | update bootloader settings and fstab to the new situation |
| 13:52.38 | Rienzilla | themill: I completely agree with that, but that might be out of his hands? |
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| 13:53.10 | tgywa | Rienzilla, I think I can go that way ! |
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| 13:53.51 | Rienzilla | tgywa: it will probably work. I hope by the way this machine is not on a public network? :) |
| 13:54.15 | tgywa | Rienzilla, it has a public IP |
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| 13:55.13 | Rienzilla | then please advise your client to upgrade it. The os has not been maintained for years and will very probably have all kinds of security holes |
| 13:55.38 | Rienzilla | it can be done before or after you virtualize it, but it should bedone |
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| 14:16.31 | katsrc | does anyone use uzbl here? |
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| 14:18.14 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 14:18.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:18.46 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 14:18.47 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 14:49.10 | rkhshm | how are the /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg.md5sum file calcualted ? |
| 14:49.27 | catsup | with 'md5sum' |
| 14:50.07 | catsup | also c.f. package debsums |
| 14:50.26 | rkhshm | catsup: can you pls expalin |
| 14:50.58 | catsup | explain what |
| 14:51.10 | weirdwolf | is it md5sum -b filename on the commandline prompt? |
| 14:51.13 | abrotman | catsup: you didn't answer his question at all |
| 14:51.22 | flamingspinach | I don't even have such a file, what is it? |
| 14:51.32 | abrotman | flamingspinach: that was an example |
| 14:51.33 | catsup | flamingspinach: by 'pkg' he means a package name |
| 14:51.44 | flamingspinach | oh, right, haha |
| 14:52.55 | catsup | weirdwolf: yeah |
| 14:53.32 | catsup | weirdwolf: but in the package build process. or via 'debsums' |
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| 14:53.59 | weirdwolf | Ahh, ok. |
| 14:54.13 | weirdwolf | Is there a nice website that shows HOW to build debian packages? |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:54.20 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 14:57.00 | weirdwolf | Thanks! |
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| 15:08.44 | iaj | lo there.. can I somehow find out which and how the memory banks are used without opening the machine? |
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| 15:10.07 | catsup | iaj: maybe in your bios, but probably not |
| 15:10.08 | nsadmin | opening the machine wouldn't help you with how memory is used |
| 15:10.16 | abrotman | !tell iaj about whats my hardware |
| 15:11.00 | nsadmin | unless you had an electron microscope, a lot of money, a steady hand and a knack for opening chips... |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | iaj: IIRC dmidecode will tell you how many and which are used |
| 15:11.30 | iaj | well yeah.. there are currenlty 2GB of RAM inside, and I want to upgrade to 4GB of RAM, so now I have to find out if that's 1x2GB module - how many memory slots there are and which RAM it is... |
| 15:11.31 | iaj | problem is the machine is runnign 24/7 :\ |
| 15:11.57 | the-dude | thinks dmidecode isn't 100% reliable |
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| 15:13.40 | djszapi | http://pastebin.com/hzsQkNxq -> what is this dpkg-buildpackage error and how can I fix it ? |
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| 15:15.49 | rkhshm | http://pastie.org/1323045 |
| 15:16.06 | Siegfried | just installed audacious on debian squeeze.. where the hell do we change the skins/interfaces in that version? |
| 15:16.14 | rkhshm | i am trying to install a pkg to a fake dir using dpkg.. but get this error.. can anyone tell me what the problem is pls ? |
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| 15:17.31 | Siegfried | i've installed all the necessary packages.. at least all the ones i see in apt |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | Siegfried: right click on the title bar, choose preferences .. |
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| 15:18.56 | MrJK | hi! |
| 15:19.24 | rkhshm | any ideas guys ? |
| 15:19.40 | MrJK | I've some troubles with Synergy and my keyboard layout: I want azerty, but it still set as qwerty |
| 15:20.10 | MrJK | I'm with Squeeze, wmii ( I don't have the problem when it is the gnome session) |
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| 15:22.59 | quitte | what's the english word for a german taster? a simple switch for electronics? |
| 15:23.14 | quitte | sorry just asked in a even more wrong channel ;) |
| 15:23.27 | Siegfried | abrotman, well for me it's not there.. |
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| 15:24.57 | Siegfried | abrotman, yes |
| 15:25.30 | Siegfried | abrotman, nevermind i understood, i ran "audacious" |
| 15:25.40 | Siegfried | which ran version 1... damn.. lost 20 minutes |
| 15:25.40 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 15:25.44 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 15:25.49 | abrotman | though .. you shouldn't have the old one anymore |
| 15:26.11 | Siegfried | i didn't know it was included as well.. strange |
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| 15:26.23 | abrotman | it shuldn't be |
| 15:26.29 | abrotman | judd: info audacious --release squeeze |
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| 15:26.31 | judd | Package audacious (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats. Version: 2.3-2; Size: 494.1k; Installed: 1904k; Homepage: http://www.audacious-media-player.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/audacious |
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| 15:28.43 | MrJK | nobody ? |
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| 15:29.34 | abrotman | MrJK: have you made it work without synergy yet? |
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| 15:30.17 | MrJK | abrotman: with the 'local' keyboard, it works with the good layout |
| 15:30.22 | MrJK | ( that's a laptop) |
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| 15:30.39 | MrJK | but, with synergy, that go back in QWERTY |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | i would think that synergy would pick up your local settings and pass those on? |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | (i know very little about synergy) |
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| 15:31.10 | MrJK | All my computers uses AZERTY |
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| 15:31.26 | MrJK | And, when I'm running the gnome env, no problems |
| 15:31.44 | MrJK | Maybe there is a link with gnome-setting-manager ? |
| 15:32.00 | MrJK | the daemon, or somthing like that ? |
| 15:32.24 | pipeline | I use xmodmap to alter my mouse settings with synergy... as long as I make my changes on the server and not the client, everything is great |
| 15:32.35 | pipeline | where did you configure your keyboard layout ? |
| 15:32.49 | Siegfried | in fact it's not version 1, it's a symlink, but for some reason i only launched it from nautilus and it ran audacious gtkui which had no "skin" option in the preferences.. anyway launching audacious2 manually fixed everything |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:33.24 | MrJK | pipeline: hum, good question ... when I installed it ? |
| 15:33.44 | MrJK | I don't remember/know |
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| 15:34.32 | pipeline | perhaps you configured both sides for azerty, and X11 is remapping your keyboard twice |
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| 15:34.50 | pipeline | synergy is passing qwerty equivalents for azerty codes, and then your client is remapping the qwerty again |
| 15:35.00 | pipeline | I would try configuring the clients to use a standard qwerty keyboard |
| 15:35.05 | pipeline | and have azerty configured only on the synergy "server" side |
| 15:35.33 | MrJK | pipeline: hum, I think the problem is on the server |
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| 15:35.39 | pipeline | I had that problem for a while with synergy -- I had my windows and solaris systems configured for lefthanded mouse, so my mouse buttons were remapped twice |
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| 15:36.38 | MrJK | pipeline: maybe I don't know enough things on xorg, I don't understand the meaning of remapped (the context, etc) ... maybe there is a good documentation tointroduce me these notions ?? |
| 15:37.04 | MrJK | good wiki to understand how works xorg ? |
| 15:37.09 | pipeline | beats me |
| 15:38.00 | pipeline | MrJK: as I understand synergy, it uses your present keyboard map on the server side to determine which keyboard codes to emit on the client side |
| 15:38.21 | pipeline | MrJK: if you configured your client to be AZERTY, I think you're gonna end up with the wrong things emitted |
| 15:38.36 | pipeline | MrJK: try configuring all synergy clients as QWERTY, see if your problem remains |
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| 15:39.18 | MrJK | ok |
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| 15:40.19 | MrJK | pipeline: okm that's work |
| 15:40.22 | MrJK | hum |
| 15:40.30 | MrJK | when my client is in QWERTY |
| 15:40.37 | MrJK | that's wird |
| 15:41.26 | MrJK | so, how can I fix that, that really uncomfortable to change kb layout each time i change computer |
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| 15:46.49 | badcloud | mutt is giving me "No authenticators available" when sending a msg. what package am I missingg? |
| 15:46.54 | badcloud | *missing |
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| 15:47.51 | pipeline | MrJK: synergy is not intended for you to change back and forth who is client and who is server |
| 15:48.09 | pipeline | MrJK: it's intended for e.g. corporate desktops, where you're gonna have UNIX and Windows side by side in a pretty much fixed configuration :\ |
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| 15:48.20 | StucKman | I'm using, among other things, extlinux (a sibling of syslinux) to make a disk image bootable. this used to work until a few weeks ago (I could make the disk image boot in, say, qemu), but now it doesn't and I ahven't the slightest idea why. the script I use hasn't changed (I have it in a mercurial repo, so I can tell). this is debian unstable. any ideas? |
| 15:48.28 | abrotman | pipeline: one of his clients is a laptop .. i'd imagine he'd like to be able to carry it somewhere and not have to change the kb layout |
| 15:48.54 | pipeline | eh my laptop is my synergy server |
| 15:49.00 | pipeline | for that very reason |
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| 15:50.15 | pipeline | alternatively: switch to dvorak, colemak, maltron layouts and then you don't have to wory about azerty OR qwerty ! |
| 15:51.01 | pipeline | I believe there is a dvorak layout specifically for french |
| 15:51.19 | MrJK | pipeline: hum, I'm with windows server, and a debian client |
| 15:51.28 | _reber | does anyone know how to get these kind of fonts : http://redcareditor.com/images/redcar-5.png |
| 15:51.31 | StucKman | pipeline: there is, yes |
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| 15:51.42 | MrJK | ( Imay inverted the client and the server before :s ) |
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| 15:55.32 | mlangenberg | Does anyone know why svlogd flushes to file with a 2,5 minute interval? That shouldn't happen, right? |
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| 15:56.48 | cahoot | _reber: look like this? http://font.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 15:58.16 | Lantizia | hey I've got the source files I want to package up extracted with my debian directory inside it... trying to run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:58.30 | Lantizia | and it moans there is no orig.tar file found |
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| 15:58.42 | Lantizia | but it shouldn't need it since the source files are there! |
| 15:59.35 | nsadmin | needs that for other reasons, for example to see whether to generate a diff or not |
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| 15:59.52 | Lantizia | nsadmin: in the same dir or the dir below? |
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| 16:00.35 | nsadmin | you're just trying to build a package right? |
| 16:00.38 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 16:00.50 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 16:00.54 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 16:00.58 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 16:01.04 | nsadmin | then look in .. |
| 16:02.24 | Lantizia | it's ok it's compiling now |
| 16:03.31 | nsadmin | I guess the whole dpkg-buildpackage thing is preparing an upload |
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| 16:04.18 | Lantizia | I've got the asterisk tar.gz from digium renamed to orig.tar.gz... I've got the debian directory from voip-pkg debian team but tweaked... and now it's compiling |
| 16:04.51 | Lantizia | i just think it's odd I need asterisk-1.8.0-orig.tar.gz AND it extracted to asterisk-1.8.0 and then the debian dir inside that |
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| 16:05.24 | themill | Lantizia: you don't actually need the extracted upstream source at all. |
| 16:05.42 | Lantizia | themill: just make an empty dir the same as the source name and stick the debian dir inside that? |
| 16:06.14 | Lantizia | this is quilt btw |
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| 16:08.55 | themill | Lantizia: you need the unpacked source for making the patches, not for building the package. If you want to not have that, there are tools around to help you, but you sounded like you didn't want to learn more tools right now. (You're asking dpkg-buildpackage to build your source package and then the binary packages. To build the source package it has to know how you changed things which, given you are working in the unpacked sources, requires you to |
| 16:08.56 | themill | also have the orig.tar.gz around) |
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| 16:09.17 | zxd | where is stunnel chnnael |
| 16:09.51 | Lantizia | themill: well I the patches go in debian/patches |
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| 16:10.23 | themill | Lantizia: how are the tools to know that? |
| 16:10.36 | Lantizia | rules |
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| 16:11.07 | Lantizia | again this is source version 3.0 not 2.0 |
| 16:11.14 | themill | there's no way dpkg-source can know that's the only files you changed. |
| 16:11.26 | Lantizia | i haven't ran that |
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| 16:11.49 | themill | dpkg-buildpackage does for you. It has a good man page that describes what it does. |
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| 16:12.42 | Lantizia | All I want is a) the original source tarball and b) the debian directory ... and to know what is supposed to be where (present directory, forward a directory, back a directory) |
| 16:12.56 | Lantizia | and it should be able to build both source and binary packages from that |
| 16:13.04 | Lantizia | all the information is needs is in the debian directory |
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| 16:13.06 | Lantizia | *it |
| 16:13.07 | themill | Lantizia: git-buildpackage + pristine-tar can do this for you. |
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| 16:13.39 | themill | Lantizia: and all the information is not *necessarily* in the debian directory for this process. |
| 16:13.44 | Lantizia | I don't even know the proper way dpkg-buildpackage wants it... it seems like trial and error |
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| 16:14.34 | themill | Lantizia: This is well covered in the new maintainer's guide and in the dpkg-buildpackge manual. Your personal approach may be trial and error but that is something that I gave up trying to influence some time ago. |
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| 16:15.08 | Lantizia | themill: well the nmg is referencing dpkg-buildpackage nothing more so that is what I'm sticking to |
| 16:15.23 | Lantizia | but the nmg is a half hearted windbag of a manual anyway |
| 16:15.29 | themill | patches welcome. |
| 16:16.05 | Seb | Lantizia: so you're not only being an ass in #untangle, then; that certainly warms my heart |
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| 16:16.44 | Lantizia | Seb: lol I gave up on untangle looong ago, it can't even do proper nat reflection |
| 16:17.02 | Lantizia | Seb: vyatta see your product as a joke when I brought that one up |
| 16:17.25 | Seb | Lantizia: you're just awesome, as usual |
| 16:17.38 | pipeline | oh no all this stuff I got for free doesn't come with free high-touch tech support |
| 16:17.43 | pipeline | guys what do I do they're not being nice to me on irc |
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| 16:18.11 | Lantizia | whats a high touch? |
| 16:18.21 | Lantizia | :D |
| 16:18.26 | pipeline | the hand-holding that you presently seem to expect |
| 16:18.43 | Lantizia | I'm just after clarification because the manual isn't clear |
| 16:18.51 | Lantizia | not to mention considerable parts are not updated to quilt |
| 16:19.41 | Seb | Lantizia: to be honest, nothing's ever clear to you unless some poor soul does the deed for you |
| 16:19.56 | Lantizia | Seb: your opinion :) |
| 16:20.14 | pipeline | Seb, Lantizia : Yes that would be "high touch" support |
| 16:20.28 | Seb | pipeline: oh I gotcha you the 1st time ;) |
| 16:20.30 | Lantizia | sounds rude lol |
| 16:20.55 | pipeline | Lantizia: the only rude part is what you typically have to pay a vendor to get the level of support you have received in IRC |
| 16:21.16 | themill | Lantizia: perhaps you should read the maint-guide more carefully. It does talk about the use of quilt and it also talks about the use of git-buildpackage. But this discussion is going no-where. There's plenty of excellent information there, in man dpkg-buildpackage and on the debian and ubuntu wikis. |
| 16:21.50 | Seb | man pages ? Sheesh, man |
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| 16:24.07 | iaj | hmm.. can I somehow find out the installed motherboards model no? |
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| 16:26.20 | jhutchins_lt | iaj: lshw does some pretty amazing stuff. |
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| 16:28.02 | iaj | hm somehow (im using etch) my etc/sources.list seems broken .. is there some way I can obtain a working one? |
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| 16:28.27 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 16:28.27 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:29.04 | themill | iaj: etch is no longer on the mirrors and hasn't been supported since February. That's likely to be a good part of your problems. |
| 16:30.10 | iaj | themill: hmmm so that's why :\ |
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| 16:32.10 | iaj | themill, jhutchins_lt, i got a line 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main' in my sources.list |
| 16:32.30 | iaj | but that doesn't seem to work anymore at all... can't seem to install any packages - i think its time to upgrade to lenny :\ |
| 16:32.36 | themill | iaj: that won't work any more. "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" |
| 16:32.51 | themill | yes, it's well past time to upgrade to lenny.... /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 16:39.59 | iaj | themill: alright thanks :) |
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| 16:44.05 | do0ob | omg ubuntu is moving to the debian model, i fear for our survival |
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| 16:45.12 | gusnan | do0ob, what model is that? |
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| 16:45.36 | do0ob | rolling releases |
| 16:45.59 | Seb | do0ob: what's that ? |
| 16:46.22 | do0ob | ubuntu will be like debian sid, just one long stream of updates, and you never have to upgrade to a new version, no large step change, just little ones |
| 16:47.08 | Erbureth | do0ob: I wouldn't fear, there still will be a lot of people that would want to use a distro that doesn't think it's smarter than the user |
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| 16:51.19 | iaj | when I do a etch->lenny - have I to care about kernel issues? |
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| 16:53.47 | Seb | ftw |
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| 16:54.32 | abrotman | iaj: IIRC, there's a bit of udev trickery |
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| 16:57.01 | thebloggu | i have apache installed and i want to put a symbolic link with write execute and read permission for /var/www/ for 4 users. i was able to make a group, assign those users to that group and assign the ownership of folder file to it too as well as chmod 775. i can edit and view files from ssh but i can't open it from a windows machine with winscp. can someone help? |
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| 16:58.44 | Ryvius | Help, I'm trying to install Samba but is says "A new version of configuration file /ect/samba/smb.conf is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified", what do I do? |
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| 17:00.22 | JordiGH | Linux just dumped this into every xterm. What's going on? http://codepad.org/Abx6uWb7 |
| 17:00.34 | compaq | Can someone help me with apache around here. I get error cannot open logs. I was trying to setup virtual host, and it never worked, but at least the first website was working, but then I changed document root from index.html to index.php, and when I restarted, it stopped working all together now. Even the first site won't open |
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| 17:04.21 | iman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | two grub? |
| 17:04.32 | JordiGH | compaq: The document root should be a directory, not a file. I think. Try asking #httpd. |
| 17:04.40 | iman | abrotman, yes |
| 17:04.49 | abrotman | upgrade-from-grub-legacy ? |
| 17:05.01 | compaq | JordiGH, yeah, it like that. Those people at httpd are MS bastards |
| 17:05.08 | iman | abrotman, yes |
| 17:05.13 | JordiGH | compaq: MS bastards? |
| 17:05.14 | abrotman | that's a command |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | try running it |
| 17:05.34 | compaq | JordiGH, yeah, they talk in riddles and then ban you |
| 17:05.59 | JordiGH | compaq: To be fair, you pose your problem a little vaguely. |
| 17:06.04 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 17:06.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 17:06.46 | compaq | JordiGH, no, I said more than that. I started the server it says failed, and then in error.log is says 'unable to open logs' |
| 17:07.11 | themill | compaq: which version of debian is this? |
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| 17:07.27 | compaq | themill 5.0 |
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| 17:07.43 | JordiGH | compaq: I thought your problem was that your website "doesn't work". |
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| 17:08.45 | compaq | JordiGH, whats your problem? |
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| 17:09.44 | JordiGH | compaq: A module crashed, I think. I'm looking at dmesg. Looks like pidgin crashed a Linux module. What's yours? |
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| 17:10.49 | compaq | JordiGH, You need to be more specifc than just "crashed |
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| 17:11.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | JordiGH: Also helps to know version & architecture. |
| 17:11.38 | JordiGH | compaq: http://codepad.org/Kddmpv4F |
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| 17:11.55 | compaq | friggen big nose JordiGH |
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| 17:12.05 | jhutchins_lt | How hard is it to get the built-in mics on webcams working with skype or one of the linux video chat apps? |
| 17:12.06 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: amd64, 2.6.32-5 |
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| 17:12.27 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: So testing. Does it work in stable? |
| 17:12.47 | compaq | jhutchins, I think it works out of the box these days |
| 17:12.48 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Uh, probably. I don't have a stable version handy. |
| 17:13.02 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: But seeing how this is about to be released... |
| 17:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Poor logic. |
| 17:13.21 | compaq | jhutchins, I never tried skype, but I remember my mic worked out of the box |
| 17:13.49 | jhutchins_lt | Cool. Camera & Mic work on my netbook now that I've ripped pulseaudio out. |
| 17:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | Thinking of networking the family for the holidays. |
| 17:14.02 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I didn't state a conclusion, so I guess the poor logic is that I made an ungrammatical statement. |
| 17:14.24 | compaq | jhutchins, did you ever hear about gspca module? |
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| 17:14.39 | dutchfish | JordiGH: you kernel seams tainted to me .... |
| 17:14.41 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, pulseaudio also gave me problems. |
| 17:14.52 | jhutchins_lt | compaq: Isn't that one of the camera drivers/ |
| 17:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 17:15.01 | JordiGH | dutchfish: Huh. It specifically says it's not? What looks tainted about it? |
| 17:15.03 | compaq | yeah |
| 17:15.15 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, it says it *is*. |
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| 17:15.25 | JordiGH | wonders what could have tainted it. iwlwifi-nonfree? |
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| 17:16.31 | functor | Does anyone know of a debian-approved package similar to OpenWebmail (a client that supports multiple "accounts" in one interface) |
| 17:17.26 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I'm not sure I agree that this has anything to do with a kernel module, I think it's just pidgin crashing. What were you doing with it when it crashed? |
| 17:18.04 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I was loading it. |
| 17:18.28 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: And why would a crash make Linux send the message to every bash session and fill up dmesg? |
| 17:18.34 | JordiGH | I mean, it's not a plain segfault. |
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| 17:19.42 | dutchfish | JordiGH: scheduling while atomic in 2.6.32 is a known kernel bug |
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| 17:20.25 | dutchfish | JordiGH: prolly triggered by pidgin over wifi a link |
| 17:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: Look at your syslog config - certain levels of messages do that. |
| 17:20.35 | JordiGH | Does that mean Linux tried to context switch during what should have been an atomic operation? |
| 17:20.48 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 17:21.29 | JordiGH | Funny that Linux is able to helpfully report it fucked up like that. |
| 17:22.46 | dutchfish | JordiGH: would you bee so kind to tell my your lspci for your adapter? |
| 17:23.04 | dutchfish | s/my/me |
| 17:23.28 | JordiGH | 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 17:23.30 | JordiGH | That one? |
| 17:23.36 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 17:28.08 | dutchfish | JordiGH: when a revrted this patch my problems where solved with same adapter rev 03 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.32.y.git;a=commit;h=82b9a1213132aa53ddbcc459ed77a335d031cd2e |
| 17:28.11 | iaj | Lo there.. I got a problem - I just upgraded from ETCH-> LENNY.. and all seemed to have run smooth.. all services appear to be launched but somehow our ERP system which is based on GNUStepWeb ain't getting started anymore.. Getting the following error message: http://pastebin.com/Dyxu8b0i someone able to help out? |
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| 17:29.19 | dutchfish | JordiGH, but before reporting start with untainted kernel and check |
| 17:29.53 | compaq | I did aptitude remove apache2, but then when I tried /etc/init.d/apache start, it is still installed |
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| 17:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | compaq: Interesting. That's not the debian web server. |
| 17:31.05 | stew | compaq: just removing a package doesn't remove the conffiles. and init scripts are conffiles, and the conffiles for apache2 are actually in the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
| 17:31.27 | stew | compaq: you have to purge a package to also get rid of conffiles |
| 17:31.34 | compaq | stew, ok thanks, I will try and remove those then |
| 17:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | The inint script for debian is apache2 - is that just a typo? |
| 17:32.07 | compaq | stew, well, I did aptitude remove --purge apaceh2, but I will do the same with the common package |
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| 17:32.38 | jhutchins_lt | compaq: You could use dpkg -l apache* to see what packages are still installed. |
| 17:32.44 | jhutchins_lt | compaq: There may be others you want to removed. |
| 17:32.57 | stew | compaq: itym aptitude purge apache2, instead of aptitude remove --purge |
| 17:34.05 | compaq | stew, sweet, alright, I think its gone now |
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| 17:35.08 | JordiGH | re |
| 17:35.30 | JordiGH | Hard freeze, had to do hard reset :-( |
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| 17:36.43 | dutchfish | JordiGH: have you figured out about where your kernel came from? pastebin dpkg -l | grep linux-image please |
| 17:37.18 | compaq | How do you get aptitude to remove all dependencies too, cause in the text gui, everytime I hit - and then g, it says, Some packages were broken and now have been fixed, and then Keep the package or upgrade or downgrade, instead of the desired remove |
| 17:37.39 | JordiGH | dutchfish: I thought it was stock Debian... |
| 17:38.04 | JordiGH | I have a lot of older kernels lying around, though. |
| 17:38.08 | dutchfish | JordiGH: well since you are on 5.0 and using a kernel form testing make sure it does |
| 17:38.32 | dutchfish | JordiGH: and if it is up to date |
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| 17:39.51 | dutchfish | judd kernel |
| 17:39.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:40.49 | compaq | thanks stew, it finally gone |
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| 17:41.23 | JordiGH | dutchfish: Yeah, I got 2.6.3-27 |
| 17:41.29 | JordiGH | From the OSUOSL mirror. |
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| 17:42.45 | eshat | I have problems with the offical previev of flash for amd64, so I wanted to use nspluginwrapper |
| 17:42.53 | dutchfish | JordiGH: not that it helps much, but is this arch x86_64 or i386? |
| 17:42.56 | eshat | but I get: nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so |
| 17:43.04 | JordiGH | dutchfish: x86_64 |
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| 17:44.23 | dutchfish | JordiGH: i think the best thing to do (if this is not a production machine0 to dist-upgrade to squeeze and look if this is also relevant on squeeze, but only if you are sure nothing else has been hosed up. |
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| 17:44.58 | JordiGH | I think I am on squeeze. |
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| 17:47.50 | quiritius | hi, what would be the best way to install Debian Lenny to a USB from Windows? Please point me to a good tutorial or a tool. |
| 17:47.51 | simonrvn | erez: fix your network/client |
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| 17:49.39 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 17:49.39 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.6) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 17:54.10 | dyek | Hi! Is there a Debian dev. could update Linux kernel in Debian Testing to v2.6.37 RC? I need the fix, 71d0618661f9dd531caa94ce2ce5dc919321624b, so that my video card, using Nouveau, doesn't lock up causing the Xorg process to spin. |
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| 17:54.57 | metalfoo | In testing for sure not. |
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| 17:56.07 | dyek | metalfoo: Could you elaborate? |
| 17:56.17 | jelly-home | dyek: you're allowed to use a custom kernel. |
| 17:57.20 | metalfoo | Debian Testing (Squeeze) is close to be shipped, thus it is freezed and only bug fixes are supposed to enter the repository. Hence testing will ship with 2.6.32. Besides that, jelly-home mentioned a solution. |
| 17:58.21 | dyek | jelly-home: Yeah... If there is a package that I can install, it would be nice. Building it can be really time consuming. |
| 17:58.29 | dyek | metalfoo: Thanks for the explanation. |
| 17:59.24 | jelly-home | dyek: if your hardware doesn't work with the default kernel, file a bug against linux-image-$(uname -r) package and mention where it's fixed |
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| 18:02.46 | Mr_Queue | does aptitude have a wild card. I'd like to simply purge all packages 'gnome-*' |
| 18:03.07 | jelly-home | !remove gnome |
| 18:03.07 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 18:04.13 | smil3 | . |
| 18:04.26 | smil3 | ping |
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| 18:06.17 | DarkUranium | hey guys |
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| 18:06.29 | jelly-home | and gals |
| 18:06.33 | DarkUranium | I'm toying around with Debian vservers, trying to learn how to do stuff with them, but I have a question |
| 18:06.46 | DarkUranium | ...how can I change the interface of a server that was already created? |
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| 18:09.05 | eshat | DarkUranium: what you mean by "change the interface" |
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| 18:21.18 | DarkUranium | eshat: oh sorry, didn't notice your reply |
| 18:21.31 | DarkUranium | eshat: the IP |
| 18:21.40 | DarkUranium | you know, the eth0:123.123.123.123/24 part |
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| 18:21.50 | DarkUranium | I want to change the IP |
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| 18:23.05 | jakest | hey, so when I installed linux on this computer I made something like 4 partitions if I remember correctly. set one to /boot, one to /home, etc. What's the command to see where each thing is mounted on what partition? |
| 18:24.18 | DarkUranium | jakest: mount |
| 18:24.23 | DarkUranium | with no args |
| 18:24.27 | jakest | oh, ok |
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| 18:25.32 | abrotman | DarkUranium: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:25.34 | DarkUranium | eshat: I said "interface" because you specify it via --interface |
| 18:25.45 | DarkUranium | abrotman: on guest or host? |
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| 18:26.27 | jakest | bah, dammit, looks like I didn't partition stuff like that. it's just sda1 on / :( I screwed up something things and X wasn't starting, so I was thinking I'd just reinstall debian and retain the /home dir. But since I didn't partition them in this way, what's your suggestion on how I go about now? |
| 18:26.53 | DarkUranium | jakest: get X to start without reinstalling? ^^ |
| 18:27.00 | DarkUranium | I'm sure it's a simple problem/solution |
| 18:27.15 | DarkUranium | and and abrotman, it doesn't seem to mention the interface I specified on either (the file doesn't even exist on the guest) |
| 18:27.29 | jakest | DarkUranium: ok, I'll give you a description of the problem and you can tell me then if it'll be simple/not-simple |
| 18:28.21 | abrotman | DarkUranium: is this a desktop or server? |
| 18:28.27 | ta3 | Can you use dpkg-reconfig to fix windows problem? |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:29.29 | DarkUranium | abrotman: I have a vserver running here, and that's the only purpose of the system (the host itself runs inside a VM) |
| 18:29.30 | jakest | DarkUranium: I was on a debian lenny install -- (I never should have gotten that -- I should have gotten debian testing in the first place). so anyway, recently I started getting lots and lots of stuff from backports, and that created problems along the way and I didn't think much of them. last night when installing a simple app it prompted me to install like 700 mb of stuff, I just went with it. one of them was a kernel update I think |
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| 18:29.38 | jakest | everything is in tact and working, I just can't start x |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | DarkUranium: and you have no /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:29.55 | DarkUranium | abrotman: the host PC does, I said guest doesn't |
| 18:30.02 | DarkUranium | by host, I mean the one which runs vservers |
| 18:30.13 | DarkUranium | not the "root host" (the one which runs the host in the first place) |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | and the vserver has a different IP than the host? |
| 18:31.20 | DarkUranium | not ATM, but I want to change that |
| 18:31.59 | abrotman | i don't work with vservers .. is it even possible? |
| 18:32.12 | DarkUranium | well, one can change the IP while cloning |
| 18:33.00 | DarkUranium | vserver cloned_name build -m clone --interface eth0:123.145.167.189/24 -- --source master_name |
| 18:33.20 | DarkUranium | so one workaround would be to clone this one, delete old one, then either rename (if I find a way), or clone back |
| 18:33.27 | DarkUranium | but I'd *REALLY* prefer not to have to do that >_< |
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| 18:36.13 | DarkUranium | abrotman: I think I've just found *a* way |
| 18:36.16 | DarkUranium | question is, will it work |
| 18:36.45 | DarkUranium | the file, /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces/0/ip |
| 18:38.54 | diago | would ssh not listen on an alias? |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | it can |
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| 18:39.50 | diago | ListenAddress is commented out |
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| 18:40.34 | ta3 | Is there a standard the authors use when they are writting docs that written to the /usr/share/doc? |
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| 18:42.11 | ta3 | Folkes are writting docs that does not make any sense and I want to take a look at the standards docs. |
| 18:42.51 | diago | I can't access this box via ssh to save my life |
| 18:43.09 | diago | If I point to another box it's fine so I know it's not the router |
| 18:43.27 | diago | nothing in hosts.deny/allow |
| 18:43.42 | diago | no iptables |
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| 18:44.51 | diago | let me rephrase, I can't access this box from external IP addresses |
| 18:45.22 | diago | internally it |
| 18:45.24 | diago | s fine |
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| 18:46.21 | tensorpudding | diago: are you doing port forwarding? |
| 18:46.30 | sickn3ss | I have a small question, if I run with noapic acpi=off can this damage my laptop ? |
| 18:46.37 | tensorpudding | or is this machine public-routable? |
| 18:46.37 | diago | from a netgear tensorpudding |
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| 18:46.47 | diago | *netgear router |
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| 18:47.42 | tensorpudding | you need to have whichever port ssh is running on forwarded on your router |
| 18:47.48 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:47.52 | tensorpudding | generally port 22 |
| 18:48.10 | diago | tensorpudding: yes I know, if I change the ip to a different machine it works |
| 18:48.25 | diago | it's just this particular box is not responding to external requests |
| 18:48.29 | tensorpudding | so your network machines have publically-routable IP's? |
| 18:48.41 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: generally no if your machine is produced well. However without those settings there is no acpi states, this can make your lappy getting hot. |
| 18:48.49 | diago | external IP => internal IP |
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| 18:49.38 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, fan runs on my laptop with acpi=off |
| 18:49.38 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 18:49.43 | tensorpudding | and you're sure that sshd is running? |
| 18:49.52 | kristian-aalborg | can someone help me get skype running on lucid? |
| 18:49.54 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: yes |
| 18:50.09 | diago | tensorpudding: yes, I can get to it internally fine |
| 18:50.12 | tensorpudding | is it a connection timeout, or some other issue? |
| 18:50.13 | kristian-aalborg | I added the skype.com repos and apt-got it |
| 18:50.21 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, hmmmm any other way to check my CPU temp ? |
| 18:50.29 | diago | It sounds like the router but if I change the ip to a different box i get in fine |
| 18:50.52 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: be aware of fan throtle. Some bios have a switch to have it maxed at a fixed setting. |
| 18:51.00 | tensorpudding | you're not trying to ssh to root or anything? |
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| 18:51.28 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, is there any way I can determine weather my FAN is running at max or not ? |
| 18:51.33 | jakest | DarkUranium: can you please remark on my situation |
| 18:51.47 | diago | just a simple ssh user@<ip> |
| 18:52.12 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: in the bios and if your kernel support it with lmsensors |
| 18:52.31 | tensorpudding | and just checking, but the <ip> isn't a 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x right? |
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| 18:53.08 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: lm-sensors |
| 18:53.16 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, installing lm-sensors right now and checking |
| 18:53.30 | diago | haha, tensorpudding |
| 18:53.35 | diago | I'm not a noob |
| 18:53.51 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: also read about fancontrol |
| 18:53.59 | tensorpudding | ah |
| 18:54.19 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, will do |
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| 18:54.34 | tensorpudding | well then i'm not sure |
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| 18:55.04 | diago | netstat shows ssh listening on everything |
| 18:55.56 | tensorpudding | do the connection attempts show up in auth.log? |
| 18:56.33 | DarkUranium | jakest: I haven't used Xorg much on Debian lately, it's better if you ask someone else |
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| 18:58.31 | diago | SOB, route issue |
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| 19:05.02 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, I have 43 C, the CPU temp, which is normal, like before running with acpi=off is that good ? |
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| 19:05.31 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: depends on cpu, but in generally i think a modern cpu can handle that |
| 19:06.05 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: but check it when it comes to a decent load |
| 19:06.13 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, well it's the same temp I had before running with acpi=off, it's really hot in here |
| 19:06.23 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, it's on a decent load I'm pre-computing hashes |
| 19:06.24 | abrotman | jakest: what is your video card? what if you move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a different name? |
| 19:06.25 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: ok then |
| 19:06.50 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, so does that throw the risk factor of running with acpi off ? |
| 19:07.26 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: it only mathers on idle (think battery lasting and powerconsumption) |
| 19:08.11 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: if acpi is supported well on your system, its better to use it |
| 19:08.25 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, os won't boot with it on |
| 19:08.26 | sickn3ss | ... |
| 19:08.29 | sickn3ss | kernel bug |
| 19:08.57 | dutchfish | sickn3ss: and you have the latest bios update for that lappy aplied? |
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| 19:09.19 | sickn3ss | dutchfish, not sure going to check |
| 19:09.33 | jakest | really sorry to the guys who responded me -- brb in a sec |
| 19:09.51 | rkhshm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.10 | jhutchins | How do I force an unmount when the system says the device is busy. |
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| 19:25.59 | dutchfish | jhutchins: sync && sync && umount foo |
| 19:26.10 | dyek | jhutchins: Maybe "umount -l"? |
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| 19:26.30 | jhutchins | busy |
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| 19:26.41 | sulor | jhutchins: wouldn't suggest that. check with fuser whats blocking |
| 19:26.52 | jhutchins | Wow. |
| 19:26.56 | jhutchins | -l worked. |
| 19:27.05 | jhutchins | sulor: Couldn't find it with fuser or lsof |
| 19:27.31 | dutchfish | jhutchins: -l can trigger dataloss on some fs |
| 19:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but -l doesn't really help you |
| 19:27.35 | sulor | jhutchins: fuser -m /mnt_point ? |
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| 19:27.45 | jhutchins | sulor: Nothing. |
| 19:27.48 | jhutchins | umounted now. |
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| 19:28.11 | sulor | strange, you should review that problem as soon as posible |
| 19:28.22 | r000t_editsuite | Ubuntu has x-updates PPA, does Debian have anything similar I can use on crunchbang? |
| 19:28.33 | r000t_editsuite | I just need X.org to stop using 50% cpu |
| 19:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, how did you check what's blocking exactly? |
| 19:29.11 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Tried lsof and fuser, couldn't find it. umount -l worked. |
| 19:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser /dev/<yourdevice> run as root? |
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| 19:29.49 | jhutchins | Right. |
| 19:29.55 | AnxiousNut | I'm an Ubuntu user for 4 years and im thinking now of moving to debian! So, I would like to know, since ubuntu is based on debian, is there anything that Ubuntu has and is not compatible wirh debian? (ie "ubuntu" packages, PPAs, etc) |
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| 19:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that should've seen it |
| 19:30.00 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Y'know, I've NEVER had that work. |
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| 19:30.43 | jhutchins | AnxiousNut: It's a differrent distro, platched, packaged, and built differently. It may be based on Debian's work, but it's not Debian. |
| 19:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | works fine, only need to run it as root in some cases, else some permission type problem I never bothered to find out about gives you empty results |
| 19:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | "crunchbag"? |
| 19:32.03 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: crunchbaNg |
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| 19:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fair enough.. then... |
| 19:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "crunchbang"? |
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| 19:33.00 | jhutchins | I've seen #! pronounced that way, but I think it refers to something specific in Ubuntu. |
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| 19:33.30 | AnxiousNut | jhutchins, enzain, so you're saying that they "might" be incompatible, or they "are not" compatible? |
| 19:33.45 | jhutchins | AnxiousNut: Are not. |
| 19:33.47 | dutchfish | jhutchins: next time try (as root) cd / && fuser -m -k /pathtomountpointdevice |
| 19:33.50 | peterrooney | AnxiousNut: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 19:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps r000t_editsuite'll care to rephrase his question so we know what he wants |
| 19:34.15 | jhutchins | crunchbang seems to be yet another debian derivative. |
| 19:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | AnxiousNut, what do you mean with "compatible" anyway? |
| 19:34.23 | r000t_editsuite | x.org eats 30-50% of my CPU whenever I'm actually doing something. Wat do? |
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| 19:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... well in that case you should find a channel for crunchbang and ask them, we don't know |
| 19:34.54 | jhutchins | I think he wants to take a debian base and "improve" it by installing ubuntu packages on top of it. |
| 19:35.13 | r000t_editsuite | I'm in their channel and nobody is taling |
| 19:35.15 | r000t_editsuite | talking* |
| 19:35.16 | AnxiousNut | CutMeOwnThroat, "work"! Would it workk if i try to install "Ubuntu" packages and/or PPAs on debian |
| 19:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !they don't know |
| 19:35.28 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:35.45 | r000t_editsuite | It goes to Debian's repositiories so maybe what I need is whatever release of x.org does not have this problem |
| 19:36.04 | r000t_editsuite | If it's in Debian's repos, it's within your domain |
| 19:36.07 | jhutchins | r000t_editsuite: We know debian. We don't know crunchbang, but it's not debian, it's unlikely debian answers would solve crunchbang problems. |
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| 19:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | AnxiousNut, it might in some cases but is pretty certain to break things in the long run... and if it makes any problems and you come here and ask questions about it you'll only get laughed at or flamed because we told you so |
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| 19:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell AnxiousNut about mixing |
| 19:37.50 | dyek | r000t_editsuite: What video card do you have and do you run Debian Testing or something else? |
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| 19:38.04 | jhutchins | AnxiousNut: It's physically possible to install .deb packges across multiple distros, but unless the package is specifically designed for multi-distro useage that's a good way to completely trash your system. |
| 19:38.12 | dutchfish | r000t_editsuite: there is not such a thing as best release for x.org. All elements must be matched carefully regarding stable video. Using debian stable at least gives you stable changes of getting help and support. |
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| 19:38.27 | jhutchins | dyek: He's running crunchbang, which leeches off of Debian repos. |
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| 19:39.12 | r000t_editsuite | It's an intel integrated graphics and it's just slow on everything. All OSs. Windows, Ubuntu, Crunchbang, everything. The only reason I switched to crunchbang is because any other os was unusable and now this one's starting to follow suit. A laptop with 1.6ghz single core handled everything better than this, and this ha 2.4ghz single |
| 19:39.25 | r000t_editsuite | Anything I can do to make everything smoother is a welcome change |
| 19:39.38 | jordanm | !crunchbang |
| 19:39.38 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
| 19:39.42 | AnxiousNut | jhutchins, peterrooney, CutMeOwnThroat: okay, thanks guys for the info! :) |
| 19:39.47 | r000t_editsuite | I actually have to come down here to do much of anything of any use |
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| 19:39.58 | r000t_editsuite | dammit |
| 19:40.15 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 19:41.37 | dyek | r000t_editsuite: What does this give you? "grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 19:41.47 | r000t_editsuite | idunno let me go upstairs |
| 19:41.51 | r000t_editsuite | or ssh |
| 19:41.55 | r000t_editsuite | hang on let me try ssh |
| 19:42.06 | jhutchins | dyek: If you want to help him with crunchbang, please take it to #crunchbang |
| 19:42.17 | jordanm | was in the middle of typing that |
| 19:42.37 | jhutchins | Nothing wrong with being helpful, just needs to be in the right place. |
| 19:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 19:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyone got me a dollar? |
| 19:43.32 | Rienzilla | I have a dollar here |
| 19:43.46 | Rienzilla | you can have it if you come pick it up :P |
| 19:44.17 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: How about you set up a nice "mixing" factoid for us? |
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| 19:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 19:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't check |
| 19:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was one |
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| 19:44.55 | hektik | is their an alternative to compiling the kernel to set hd quotas on user (software?) |
| 19:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps it wasn't overly nice, but there was one |
| 19:45.23 | jhutchins | hektik: Why would need to compile the kernel for that? |
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| 19:45.24 | abrotman | hektik: you mean storage quoates? |
| 19:45.28 | abrotman | quotas ? |
| 19:45.46 | hektik | i need to set a user a certain amount of harddrive space. aka a quota of 35gigs |
| 19:45.48 | jhutchins | hektik: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
| 19:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, done... :-P |
| 19:46.10 | jhutchins | I thought most of the HOWTOs that started out with "first, recompile the kernel to add <foo> support" were gone by now. |
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| 19:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I'm not sure I linked that to the correct one... more often refers to mixing stable/testing |
| 19:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp |
| 19:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, we have "mixing distros" and "mixing stable and unstable" |
| 19:47.36 | jhutchins | For that matter you can mix debs and rpms with alien. |
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| 19:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but for that I think we have an alien factoid |
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| 19:48.25 | jhutchins | One of my first adventures with Linux was installing Mandrake RPM's on a RedHat system because they were newer and better optimized. |
| 19:48.43 | jhutchins | It eventually caught up with me. |
| 19:48.49 | r000t | (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 19:48.49 | r000t | compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 2.13.0 |
| 19:48.49 | r000t | Module class: X.Org Video Driver |
| 19:48.49 | r000t | -- |
| 19:48.49 | r000t | (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
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| 19:48.56 | r000t | fk |
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| 19:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonderful... making friends like no tomorrow |
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| 19:54.47 | dimir | http://www.linux.fm/ |
| 19:54.50 | r000t | http://pastebin.com/3hkhVAme |
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| 20:07.12 | d5e | suppposed I have a server with a hardware raid ... how could I get information about it on the command line ? |
| 20:07.16 | Rockj | Hey, I know this question isn't debian specific but I'm trying anyway since I know there is a handfull good users with a lot of knownledge in this room. I got a question about GPG and a use-case scenario issue I would like solved/get some feedback at/solutions for. I've put my question here : https://gist.github.com/714302 |
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| 20:07.58 | Rockj | d5e: smart data on the drives your thinking about? or raid status? |
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| 20:09.41 | d5e | Rockj the raid status would be fine for the first |
| 20:10.10 | echelon | hi, how do i fix this.. http://pastebin.ca/2001308 |
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| 20:11.39 | Rockj | d5e: normally you would need a utility from your raid card's manufacture. You can try using lshw in a terminal to check what hardware you have on your server. |
| 20:11.52 | d5e | Rockj assumed that your mac at work is an unsecure machine to store your secret key (which probably is) the only idea I got is to put it on your server if you have one and use that machine via ssh for example ... that might be not the most comfortable way, but when is security comfortable ? |
| 20:14.09 | Rockj | d5e: actually, that might work... then install fuse and sshfs... It's still abit troublesome tbh. I wish I knew someone who had full control over how GPG works |
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| 20:15.09 | c4pt | is there a simple gui tool for editing the gdm3 login window? |
| 20:16.04 | d5e | gui lol ... maybe the ubuntu forum :) |
| 20:16.36 | echelon | anyone? |
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| 20:17.05 | c4pt | d5e, the app "ubuntu-tweak" doesnt seem to do it for debian |
| 20:17.12 | c4pt | d5e, works ok on ubuntu though |
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| 20:18.01 | d5e | Rockj: thx for the lshw tip ... installed and running ... I got a 3ware Inc 9650SE SATA-II RAID but showing only one hard disk ... sounds not like raid ... |
| 20:18.28 | dyek | r000t: Those are your possible video drivers. It wasn't what I thought it could be (and because you are not using Debian Testing, it is unlikely to be what I encountered.) Sorry I can't help and as people in the channel said, you should probably seek help elsewhere. Good luck. |
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| 20:18.43 | Rockj | echelon: http://www.roysindre.no/a/2009/02/15/debian-lenny-gone-stable/ , something I wrote when lenny went stable and the public key wasn't known. |
| 20:18.55 | Rockj | echelon: you should verify the fingerprint , then import it. |
| 20:19.06 | echelon | how |
| 20:19.17 | dutchfish | echelon: choose a working mirror http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:19.26 | dutchfish | echelon: man sources.list |
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| 20:19.32 | echelon | cool thanks |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | echelon: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update && apt-get update |
| 20:20.01 | Rockj | d5e: what you see is the raid's device I guess... not the harddrives itself |
| 20:20.23 | Rockj | d5e: I know 3Ware got some raid utility on their webpage for getting both a CLI and webinterface to their raid card.. |
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| 20:20.52 | Rockj | d5e: I got a older version of 3ware raid card on my file server, so you should be able to find it on 3ware's downloads section. |
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| 20:20.59 | mervaka | sup guys |
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| 20:21.39 | mervaka | just dist-upgraded to squeeze, but i think in doing so i've botched my partition tables |
| 20:22.01 | Elebertus | Good citizens of #debian: block device > lvm, or block device > raw partition > lvm ? |
| 20:22.32 | d5e | Rockj: good point! seems you are right ... the disk' product name is 9650SE-2LP DISK which relates to the controller ... |
| 20:22.56 | mervaka | http://pastebin.com/CZhpjcfZ |
| 20:23.07 | mervaka | i think i've wrote partition tables to partitions?! :S |
| 20:23.14 | mervaka | can someone advise? |
| 20:23.36 | dutchfish | Elebertus: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
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| 20:24.20 | Elebertus | dutchfish: I was looking for more opinion on what configuration was popular, as I'm having mixed reports from various groups of people |
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| 20:26.06 | dutchfish | Elebertus: the less layers th ebetter, but in this case i choose flexibilty, hence i handed you this link. |
| 20:26.54 | Elebertus | dutchfish: I was approaching with a minimalist mentality as well; I always thought of LVM as a block device manager heh |
| 20:27.20 | Elebertus | s/thought/think/ |
| 20:27.51 | dutchfish | Elebertus: that might hold some trought for lvm, but since lvm2 this is no longer the case solely. |
| 20:28.46 | dutchfish | Elebertus: the real power of lvm2 fals into place when starting to use snapshotting |
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| 20:29.19 | Elebertus | aye |
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| 20:29.43 | Rockj | Any tips where I could go to get my answers on GPG? here on freenode? https://gist.github.com/714302 |
| 20:29.45 | Elebertus | dutchfish: as far as configuration goes though I'm having problems seeing there being a 'problem' with presenting lvm block devices versus raw partitions |
| 20:29.48 | dutchfish | Elebertus: hence i choose for maximum flexibility, the loss of an extra laying is neglectable. |
| 20:30.04 | dutchfish | s/laying/layer |
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| 20:30.25 | nsadmin | I like the idea you can reduce and extend vols pretty much at will |
| 20:30.36 | dutchfish | yep |
| 20:30.47 | nsadmin | can't reduce an xfs tho (or can you?) |
| 20:30.48 | Elebertus | yeah, that doesn't matter if you have block devices, or raw partitions though |
| 20:31.03 | Elebertus | er, lvm doesn't care in that case |
| 20:31.31 | Elebertus | nsadmin: pretty sure you can reduce xfs, but it's destructive |
| 20:31.39 | Elebertus | it's destructive with lvm2 as well iirc |
| 20:31.40 | dutchfish | Elebertus: so the q left is this: wich layer is less error-prown. |
| 20:31.51 | nsadmin | actually lvm allocates what the filesystem sees as contiguous blocks what what is in reality may or may not be contiguous |
| 20:31.55 | Elebertus | dutchfish: not having a layer is less error prone =] |
| 20:32.32 | nsadmin | well "prone" may be a strong word but I agree with the sentiment |
| 20:33.02 | dutchfish | sorry for my poor english (shrugh) |
| 20:33.44 | nsadmin | well you're using it correctly... I just think by saying "prone" you're -expecting- the error to happen |
| 20:33.45 | Elebertus | dutchfish: I think nsadmin was implying that it isn't common to see issues with a raw partition or block device in that regard |
| 20:33.51 | Elebertus | hehe |
| 20:33.52 | Elebertus | yes |
| 20:34.04 | dutchfish | yes |
| 20:34.15 | echelon | ok, i was able to update apt-get/aptitude, but it says.. E: Couldn't find package tmux |
| 20:34.18 | nsadmin | and I suppose that (conservative) viewpoint is a safe one |
| 20:34.21 | echelon | even though tmux is in the repo |
| 20:34.47 | Elebertus | Hmm okay, well |
| 20:34.53 | dutchfish | echelon: using stable? |
| 20:34.58 | Elebertus | I stil have the same opinion I came here with |
| 20:35.11 | nsadmin | is that good or bad? |
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| 20:35.38 | echelon | main, contrib, non-free |
| 20:35.46 | echelon | i don't know what i'm using |
| 20:35.47 | echelon | -_- |
| 20:36.09 | nsadmin | what's right before "main"? |
| 20:36.15 | dutchfish | echelon: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tmux |
| 20:36.18 | Elebertus | nsadmin: I don't think it's either |
| 20:36.33 | Elebertus | I still don't think it matters if you present lvm with a raw partition or block device |
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| 20:36.46 | d5e | Rockj I used to store important things for work always on dedicated servers, so I have them available no matter where I am ... at home with windows ... inetcafe on holiday or even on iphone ... gpg is easy to install and maintain ... much easier as pgp which changes its looks once in a while ... the only thing you should make sure is that you got a trustworthy hoster for that purpose |
| 20:36.48 | nsadmin | oh, I see |
| 20:37.08 | mervaka | hey um, can someone help me with recovering my partition table? |
| 20:37.25 | dutchfish | Elebertus: if you are running on hw-raid it doesnt mather, but if not, how you gone add phys. devices? |
| 20:37.38 | nsadmin | restore it from your backup that you so carefully made? |
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| 20:37.49 | Elebertus | dutchfish: the machines are running in VMware |
| 20:37.50 | echelon | dutchfish, stable |
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| 20:37.58 | echelon | so what should i do |
| 20:38.00 | dutchfish | echelon: it is not in stable |
| 20:38.07 | echelon | huh |
| 20:38.09 | echelon | oh, tmux |
| 20:38.13 | Elebertus | either way, if I were to add physical disks to a physical host I would present the new storage to lvm as a block device |
| 20:38.22 | dutchfish | echelon: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tmux |
| 20:38.29 | echelon | well tmux is more stable than screen, i dunno why screen is deemed stable |
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| 20:38.42 | sweetpi | mervaka: man testdisk |
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| 20:38.59 | mervaka | ah cool |
| 20:39.01 | dutchfish | echelon: it is in lenny-bpo |
| 20:39.25 | nsadmin | btw, having "stable" in your sources.list could lead to surprises |
| 20:39.32 | mervaka | uh |
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| 20:39.37 | mervaka | no harddisk found :s |
| 20:39.37 | echelon | so i should add unstable to sources.list? |
| 20:39.47 | dutchfish | no |
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| 20:39.53 | echelon | why |
| 20:39.53 | dutchfish | change stable in lenny |
| 20:39.57 | nsadmin | well I would add the name of it |
| 20:40.01 | echelon | huh |
| 20:40.05 | nsadmin | like lenny or whatever it is |
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| 20:40.15 | dutchfish | so you wont be caught by surprise on the next release of stable |
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| 20:40.32 | echelon | i don't follow what you're telling me to do |
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| 20:40.39 | echelon | change stable in lenny? |
| 20:40.52 | dutchfish | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:40.52 | nsadmin | if you've had your stable before lenny went stable (or like one person, before sarge went stable) you'll get surprised when releases happen |
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| 20:41.32 | echelon | so just replace stable with unstable |
| 20:41.40 | dutchfish | no |
| 20:41.45 | nsadmin | echelon, so if you have deb http://foo/debian stable main |
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| 20:42.00 | nsadmin | stable is like a symlink to whatever is stable at the time |
| 20:42.07 | nsadmin | if you put this instead: |
| 20:42.22 | nsadmin | deb http://foo/debian lenny main |
| 20:42.43 | nsadmin | then you'll follow lenny even after squeeze becomes stable |
| 20:42.53 | echelon | oh |
| 20:42.58 | mr_daniel | Many programs configured with ./configure complain when a specific library or executable can't be found which is necessary to build or execute the program. For example ./configure complains about: |
| 20:43.02 | mr_daniel | checking for system md library ... not found |
| 20:43.04 | echelon | so how do i get the unstable packages? |
| 20:43.04 | nsadmin | and this is good because then you pick when you want to change |
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| 20:43.44 | nsadmin | if you stay with stable, then you backport them so they are compiled against your existing libs |
| 20:43.46 | mr_daniel | OK, no issue just open aptitude and install the right package, but... how to find the name of the package which makes the md library available? |
| 20:44.15 | echelon | how do i know i'm running lenny though |
| 20:44.31 | mr_daniel | for example a simple search for 'md' is not very useful, because it returns *many* wrong results, and I don't know how to find the right package |
| 20:44.32 | nsadmin | good question. how long have you had the system? |
| 20:44.48 | mr_daniel | echelon: uname -a, but I am not sure |
| 20:45.06 | mr_daniel | yes, 'uname -a' returns a lot of useful information |
| 20:45.09 | echelon | nsadmin, i just got the tarball from here.. http://code.google.com/p/snake-os/wiki/Debian_Chroot |
| 20:45.30 | nsadmin | that's one clue, another is cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:45.50 | mr_daniel | echelon: another way would be to check /etc/apt/sources.list file which repository for which version is used |
| 20:45.56 | nsadmin | and dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version |
| 20:46.22 | echelon | it says.. snake |
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| 20:46.39 | echelon | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:46.39 | echelon | 4.0 |
| 20:46.47 | dutchfish | !tell echelon about bpo |
| 20:46.53 | nsadmin | ok, that's before lenny |
| 20:47.03 | echelon | :/ |
| 20:47.11 | nsadmin | oldstable right now |
| 20:47.25 | echelon | in sources.list? |
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| 20:47.39 | nsadmin | where you see stable, put etch |
| 20:47.45 | nsadmin | !codenames |
| 20:47.46 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
| 20:47.52 | echelon | man |
| 20:48.02 | nsadmin | then run apt-get update |
| 20:48.21 | nsadmin | err one sec before yhou do that |
| 20:48.28 | nsadmin | comment out all other lines |
| 20:48.32 | nsadmin | then run the update |
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| 20:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://ircbots.debian.net/ is down? that's the only webinterface or is there another? |
| 20:52.39 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean to do the web search of dpkg ? |
| 20:52.51 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: it works here |
| 20:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
| 20:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Oops! Google Chrome could not find ircbots.debian.net |
| 20:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, why does chromium call itself chrome, I wonder... |
| 20:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm to the rescue! |
| 20:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 20:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, ignore that |
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| 21:04.40 | lamah | what i need if i want my address.com to be in the internet i have configured apache httpd but only when my machine is powered on also i have and router |
| 21:04.43 | lamah | which daemon/service ? |
| 21:05.24 | abrotman | dyndns ? |
| 21:05.58 | lamah | abrotman: apt-get ? |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 21:06.16 | lamah | to get the dyndns |
| 21:06.34 | abrotman | you can try that .. i don't use it .. you might have to search .. or ask the channel for your distro |
| 21:06.49 | lamah | ... |
| 21:07.42 | sweetpi | lamah: try rephrasing what your trying to do |
| 21:07.58 | lamah | :) |
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| 21:08.31 | sweetpi | or leave, that works too |
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| 21:08.46 | Stylles | When the client joins AD, samba initiates DDNS update to register itself on DNS server. IF your DNS server is not configured to update dynamic updates, you will receive this error. As long as you have right forward/reverse entries on your DNS server, you need not to worry about this error. |
| 21:09.14 | Stylles | Using short domain name -- MONDAPAR Joined 'PROXY' to realm 'Linkspar.br' DNS update failed! |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | sweetpi: pretty good hunch he wasn't using Debian |
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| 21:11.46 | Queops | How can I change my "Device name" as in computer name in debian? |
| 21:11.54 | Queops | As far networking is concerned |
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| 21:13.10 | sweetpi | Queops: hostname |
| 21:13.19 | Letterbomb05 | Hi, how can I recover a deleted file on debian server? |
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| 21:13.29 | Bert_2 | I'm looking for some advise: I'm planning to build a storage system with a simple atom MB, 4 HDs in RAID10 running debian without a GUI of course |
| 21:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I'm having a suspicious big amount of sites that can'T be found in chromium, I thought... and you say ircbots.debian.net works... |
| 21:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 21:13.45 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 21:13.48 | abrotman | use a good browser? |
| 21:13.57 | Bert_2 | the idea is that people can easily store big files on it using smb/ftp/afs/nfs |
| 21:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the sandbox rocks |
| 21:14.14 | Bert_2 | what would you recommend, 1GB or 2GB DDR2/3 ? |
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| 21:14.28 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Fix your dodgy DNS |
| 21:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
| 21:14.52 | Queops | sweetpi: thanks. |
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| 21:15.10 | jhutchins | Bert_2: More RAM is always better. |
| 21:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Host ircbots.debian.net not found: 2(SERVFAIL) :( |
| 21:15.28 | Bert_2 | jhutchins: but is it any use when doing transfer from disk to network |
| 21:15.36 | Bert_2 | ? |
| 21:15.39 | jhutchins | Bert_2: Yes. |
| 21:15.47 | jhutchins | Bert_2: It'll buffer. |
| 21:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, it's German Telekom - biggest ISP in the country, how can it be dodgy! |
| 21:16.18 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: I have problems with nasa.gov and weather.com when they redirect me to something like www.w3.weather.com |
| 21:16.37 | metalfoo | CutMeOwnThroat: You'd be scared. |
| 21:17.01 | Vasistha | I use mailx to send out messages to big groups of people. However, if an error occurs, only one dead.letter file is created. Is there a way to name the file dead.letter.20101124-131633 or some such -- with a time stamp, so that if multiple sends fail they are not lost? |
| 21:17.05 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: You would expect DT to do better than BT at least. |
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| 21:18.09 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: It would be worth experimenting with other public DNS though. I run a caching server of my own. |
| 21:18.42 | metalfoo | The bigger an ISP is, the more likely it will do some non standardized things like violating protocols to ensure a service level, that treats preferentially the own interests. For DNS crippled recursors with NXERROR redirection is pretty popular. |
| 21:20.38 | Vasistha | CutMeOwnThroat: I've been using maradns for dns caching, it's pretty easy and nice (although it loses the cache on reboot, but that doesn't happen much) |
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| 21:24.58 | Vasistha | nevermind my q, the manpage has the answer, which I missed the first time through: use the DEAD environmnent variable |
| 21:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I might just as well use opendns... |
| 21:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | the damn telekom also seems to redirect you... although chrome seems to catch that :) |
| 21:26.43 | cafaro | How how can I switch from GNOME to XFCE as desktop environment? (I already installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies.) |
| 21:26.49 | cafaro | -how |
| 21:27.31 | Vasistha | cafaro: you're in gnome right now? You can probably end your session, and then there is probably a menu where you can select which DE you want |
| 21:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafaro, choose it on the login-screen of your favourite login-manager? |
| 21:28.15 | cafaro | I did a full reboot, and I didn't get the option to change.. |
| 21:28.48 | Vasistha | cafaro: have you configured it to auto-login for you? or do you have to type your username/password at a graphical login screen? |
| 21:28.57 | cafaro | username/password |
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| 21:29.11 | cafaro | Well, the default login-manager in Squeeze. |
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| 21:30.24 | Vasistha | cafaro: did you look and see if there is a menu? I'm using lenny, and in the bottom left corner there is a little menu labeled "session type" where I can choose which DE to start. |
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| 21:31.04 | cafaro | How to restart GNOME? ctrl+alt+backspace didn't work for me... |
| 21:31.43 | Queops | cafaro: reboot? |
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| 21:38.23 | Bert_2 | Debian supports software RAID0, 1, 10 and most other conventional RAID systems , right ? |
| 21:38.49 | Vasistha | Bert_2: yes |
| 21:39.01 | Bert_2 | Vasistha: thx, just wanted to be sure |
| 21:39.01 | GNU\colossus | there's RAID5 support for md, too |
| 21:39.12 | GNU\colossus | with testing, you can get RAID6 as well. Idk for Lenny for sure. |
| 21:39.39 | abrotman | Bert_2: software or hardware? |
| 21:39.41 | Bert_2 | GNU\colossus: I'm just looking at 1 and 10, it's for a NAS like device ;) |
| 21:39.41 | Vasistha | Bert_2: although I suppose ... occasionally you might come across some weird firmware. I have no experience with RAID, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to check your hardware against the hardware compatibility list -- unless you're just doing software RAID |
| 21:39.43 | Bert_2 | software |
| 21:39.57 | Bert_2 | I'm doing software |
| 21:40.07 | Vasistha | you ought to be in good shape then, afaik |
| 21:40.14 | Bert_2 | I want a cheap solution for a NAS, that I can control myself |
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| 21:53.12 | goody | Good Evening! Any one with a clue about ssl certificates here? I noticed that when you order an ssl certificate for your server at domainfactory, they create a new A record for your www. subdomain that is different from the A record for your domain. Does anybody know if that is normal? |
| 21:53.37 | abrotman | they alter your DNS? |
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| 21:54.56 | goody | abrotman: yes. they creat an A record for the www subdomain. |
| 21:55.15 | abrotman | well, can't you edit your own DNS? |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | why not just ask them |
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| 21:55.50 | goody | abrotman: sure. i deleted the A record. because i thought "whats that?" and then my browser complained when i wanted to connect to my domain via https. |
| 21:56.02 | goody | so i wrote them. and they said "put the A record back". |
| 21:56.17 | abrotman | why did the browser complain ? |
| 21:56.55 | goody | it said a) the cert is self signed and b) is only valid for a different domain. |
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| 21:57.47 | metalfoo | Well, then you should rather connect through that domain pointing to the server in question. That avoids one problem. |
| 21:57.51 | abrotman | you can inspect the cert |
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| 21:57.54 | sweetpi | does your cert have www.domain.com and domain.com in the subject alt field? |
| 21:58.00 | GNU\colossus | if they sell an SSL cert from a truested CA, it sure shouldn't be self signed. |
| 21:58.45 | metalfoo | Well, even a CA signed certificate is signed by someone. The difference is just whether your browser trusts tha authority or not by default.l |
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| 21:59.09 | goody | how do i inspect the cert? |
| 21:59.27 | goody | GNU\colossus: they say its geotrust speed cert or something. |
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| 21:59.40 | GNU\colossus | openssl x509 -in yourcertfilenamehere.pem -text |
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| 21:59.53 | metalfoo | Well, the browser will do its job too for that. |
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| 22:00.09 | goody | GNU\colossus: i dont have a certfile. they just make it magically happen :) |
| 22:00.13 | GNU\colossus | metalfoo, of course, but the reason to get a commerial SSL certificate is that it's signed by a "truested" certificate authority. |
| 22:00.39 | goody | the cert IS working and accepted by FF when i connect via the other ip. |
| 22:00.44 | metalfoo | GNU\colossus: You did well to put the "trusted" into quotation marks ;) |
| 22:00.55 | goody | i just wonder why i have to use a different ip. |
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| 22:01.09 | GNU\colossus | metalfoo, of course, as I'm wary of the entire SSL business. |
| 22:01.14 | goody | does FF have a way for inspecting certs? |
| 22:01.21 | metalfoo | Firefox has a button like "Show certificate" or something like that. |
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| 22:01.30 | bolD | õîé |
| 22:01.32 | metalfoo | That's enough for you. |
| 22:01.33 | GNU\colossus | yeah, just click the favicon left to the address bar, iirc |
| 22:01.47 | GNU\colossus | (haven't used FF in quite some time) |
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| 22:02.03 | metalfoo | The crucial part is the "common name". That has to match the actual DNS domain name |
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| 22:02.27 | abrotman | goody: ask them .. |
| 22:02.38 | goody | GNU\colossus: since FF did not accept the cert, it seems not to show it. |
| 22:02.44 | goody | abrotman: yes, i will tomorrow. |
| 22:03.29 | sweetpi | goody: favicon > moreinfo > view cert > details tab, then check the Certificate Subject Alt Name and make sure www.domain.com and domain.com are listed, if not you got ripped off |
| 22:03.48 | metalfoo | goody: It does. You have to click on "confirm security exception". There you have the chance to observe the certificate |
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| 22:04.05 | goody | metalfoo: ok. i wanted to avoid accepting the certificate. |
| 22:04.08 | goody | let see... |
| 22:04.26 | metalfoo | No, on the warning window I mean |
| 22:04.32 | goody | i know |
| 22:04.40 | metalfoo | There is somewhere a button to display the certificate |
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| 22:04.44 | sweetpi | just accept temporarily, not permanent |
| 22:04.48 | goody | damn.. i added that A-Record and now its active. Now https works. |
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| 22:05.17 | goody | you people understand what i mean? |
| 22:05.34 | goody | i have to change my a-record to some ip to make the cert work. |
| 22:05.38 | goody | i wonder if thats normal. |
| 22:06.04 | goody | now that FF accepts the cert it says "Verified by: Equifax" |
| 22:06.28 | goody | and it has my domain and everything. |
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| 22:06.47 | goody | but the question remains: why the different ip for ssl? |
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| 22:07.04 | cesurasean1 | Can someone tell me how to fix this? server:~# top |
| 22:07.04 | cesurasean1 | 'xterm': unknown terminal type. |
| 22:07.12 | cesurasean1 | why is it trying to use xterm? |
| 22:07.14 | metalfoo | GNU\colossus: I recently read that paper http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1591033 there are made really interesting observations related to the term "trusted". |
| 22:07.17 | sweetpi | goody: no its not normal |
| 22:07.50 | sweetpi | goody: well unless you were using a shared ip before |
| 22:08.01 | goody | sweetpi: i have the feeling they proxy the ssl traffic. maybe so the cert keeps working when you change the server. |
| 22:08.11 | goody | sweetpi: its a dedicated server. |
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| 22:08.49 | GNU\colossus | metalfoo, I don't know that paper, but I'm familiar with the concept that I think it presents. |
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| 22:09.09 | sweetpi | goody: likely they gave you a different ip and setup apache to respond on https with that cert |
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| 22:09.13 | GNU\colossus | having a whitelist of "trsuted authorities" dictated by third parties is a bad thing. |
| 22:09.34 | metalfoo | GNU\colossus: You can find it in Google Scholar if you do care. I mentioned it just as a side, its content are not that new. |
| 22:09.36 | metalfoo | +s |
| 22:09.36 | goody | sweetpi: i dont understand what you mean. |
| 22:09.44 | cesurasean1 | nevermind |
| 22:09.56 | sweetpi | goody: an ip can only host one cert |
| 22:10.05 | GNU\colossus | good night all |
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| 22:10.29 | goody | sweetpi: but why do i have to point www.mydomain.de to another IP so that ssl works? i dont have any other certs. |
| 22:11.02 | metalfoo | That depends on your vhost configuration |
| 22:11.04 | sweetpi | goody: because the other ip you had was either shared or they didn't want to mess with your self-signed cert |
| 22:11.39 | goody | sweetpi: so the-other-ip ... where does it point to? to my machine? to some other machine that proxies the requests to my machine? |
| 22:12.21 | goody | and i never set up a self signed cert. |
| 22:12.37 | sweetpi | goody: no idea, you would have to ask them. but you have to have a dedicated ip to handle your cert. so its probably ok. |
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| 22:12.53 | sweetpi | goody: they probably set it up when you signed up |
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| 22:13.32 | metalfoo | One needs a dedicated IP _per certificate_. Yet there can run other (non-SSL) vhosts of course. |
| 22:14.52 | sweetpi | yeah I wasn't saying you couldn't run other non-ssl hosts. just that its 1 cert to 1 ip |
| 22:15.13 | goody | hmm... so maybe they simply have a standard procedure that adds a new ip for every cert that you order. |
| 22:15.18 | metalfoo | That's true (with asterisk) |
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| 22:15.34 | cusco_ | hi... |
| 22:15.42 | goody | so if you order certs for oneofmydomains.com anotherdomain.com andyetanother.com you get 3 additional IPs. |
| 22:15.49 | nvz | wow I am having issues with random gnome-panel crashes (when clicking on the panel or an applet) and I am having no real luck narrowing it down. What seems to happen is a socket() call returning fd 3, then that socket is attached to connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"...}, 110) = 0 |
| 22:15.49 | cusco_ | apache seems to bring php in userdirs disabled by default |
| 22:16.01 | nvz | shortly thereafter fd 3 becomes unavailable |
| 22:16.06 | cusco_ | I commented the designated lines in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf |
| 22:16.06 | nvz | and I get a sigsegv |
| 22:16.07 | goody | amazing how cheap IPs are these days. They charge only 20 Euros per cert per year. |
| 22:16.14 | cusco_ | restarted it, but still does not work! |
| 22:16.36 | metalfoo | IPs or certificates? |
| 22:16.45 | cusco_ | yes, ip's or certificates? |
| 22:16.50 | metalfoo | sweetpi: In theory you could do SSL re-negotiation. But we won't confuse goody here ;) |
| 22:17.24 | goody | metalfoo, cusco_: certificates. but as i understand it now that also means an ip. |
| 22:17.29 | sweetpi | metalfoo: I think were past that point :) |
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| 22:17.50 | cusco_ | ?! |
| 22:17.50 | sweetpi | goody: you probably get the ip for free since your getting the cert from them |
| 22:17.56 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:17.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:17.57 | goody | s |
| 22:18.00 | cusco_ | what do you mean, it means an IP? |
| 22:18.07 | cusco_ | ok |
| 22:18.07 | goody | sweetpi: yes |
| 22:18.11 | cusco_ | sorry abrotman |
| 22:18.13 | goody | cusco_: :) |
| 22:18.15 | cusco_ | I installed apache from debian package, and seems that php is disabled in userdirs by default, but after commenting out the designated lines in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf and restaring, dones't seem to work still |
| 22:18.25 | sweetpi | true very off topic /me shuts up now |
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| 22:19.23 | metalfoo | goody: Well, a certificate doesn't cost that much. But you get them assigned without very much authenticity. Really trusted (EV) certificates (for example like those by VeriSign) will charge you something like 500â¬. |
| 22:19.51 | goody | metalfoo: well.. whats "really trusted"? looks like all browsers like my cert. |
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| 22:20.31 | metalfoo | Yes. Yet there are so called "extended validation" certificates. You might encounter them for your online banking. Your browser address bar turns green for those. |
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| 22:21.19 | goody | metalfoo: hmm... no. its blue too. |
| 22:21.32 | metalfoo | https://www.bankofamerica.com/ Look here |
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| 22:21.48 | abrotman | there is a #openssl |
| 22:21.49 | goody | metalfoo: green |
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| 22:22.25 | Lemming123 | hi there, could someone here might tell me how exactly i define which display should be used over "putty/ssh"? |
| 22:23.13 | sweetpi | cusco_: pastebin your config |
| 22:23.15 | metalfoo | goody: Yes. That's the difference. But we should stop here, to satisfy abrotman ;) |
| 22:23.33 | goody | metalfoo: ok. thanks a lot for all the infos! |
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| 22:23.46 | cusco_ | sweetpi: http://paste.debian.net/100700/ php5.conf module |
| 22:23.59 | cusco_ | in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
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| 22:24.20 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 22:24.44 | kristian-aalborg | does someone know how to remove/disable the gnome-keyring-manager? |
| 22:24.45 | sweetpi | cusco_: its cut off |
| 22:25.07 | cusco_ | oops |
| 22:25.30 | cokegen | hi, I'm trying to install a netinst squeeze beta1 and it fails to get a dhcp address, anyone had that problem ? |
| 22:25.47 | cusco_ | sweetpi: http://paste.debian.net/100701/ |
| 22:25.50 | metalfoo | cokegen: Are you using a WiFi adapter? |
| 22:26.01 | cokegen | no, pcnet32 with vmware |
| 22:26.13 | cokegen | I even configured the network manually with ip and it works |
| 22:26.15 | cusco_ | cokegen: if you set manuall addresses can you ping? |
| 22:26.20 | cokegen | yep |
| 22:26.23 | cusco_ | well then :P |
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| 22:26.40 | cokegen | just want to know if someone had the same problem |
| 22:26.48 | cokegen | the lenny installer works just fine so it's a bug |
| 22:26.58 | Lemming123 | anyone able to help me? :( |
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| 22:27.05 | cokegen | don't know exactly how to fill a bug (never did) |
| 22:27.20 | sweetpi | cusco_: ok, if you restarted apache and it still doesn't work. try checking .htaccess files and maybe grep -r "engine Off" /etc/apache |
| 22:27.25 | cokegen | and I'm really interested on squeeze to work right |
| 22:27.50 | cusco_ | sweetpi: clean installation only a index.php in /~cusco |
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| 22:28.44 | sweetpi | cusco_: and what error do you get? |
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| 22:29.06 | cusco_ | it downloads the file instead |
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| 22:30.41 | sweetpi | cusco_: is there a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled for php5? |
| 22:31.55 | cusco_ | yes, php works in /var/www too |
| 22:33.38 | sweetpi | only thing I can think of is grep for "engine Off" in apache configs or check .htaccess files |
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| 22:34.13 | Mr_Queue | Is it just me or is pgp.mit.edu unresponsive to key searches. ie gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --search-keys |
| 22:34.16 | Queops | I don't get why we don't have control over user permissions in a shell? |
| 22:34.31 | Queops | Fine some services need root but i can do alot of stuff by default |
| 22:35.21 | FalTam | hi |
| 22:35.32 | FalTam | in lenny what should i use for mail and virus filter for email? |
| 22:35.33 | sweetpi | Queops: what do you mean? |
| 22:35.47 | FalTam | i had mailscanner and spamassassin before but i cant see these packages anymore in lenny |
| 22:35.59 | Queops | Well just asking, what if I only want to allow a user to access certain folders or perform certain actions |
| 22:36.15 | Queops | I read the chapter 4 on the reference but didn't get any hint of that |
| 22:36.37 | sweetpi | Queops: then you use acl's |
| 22:36.47 | Queops | =O What is that |
| 22:37.16 | sweetpi | !acl |
| 22:37.16 | dpkg | acl is, like, Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
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| 22:37.25 | FalTam | !spamassassin |
| 22:37.25 | dpkg | SpamAssassin is a <spam> filter utilizing content matching rules. Read /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.Debian.gz after package installation. If installed, <razor> will be automatically used. http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://spamassassin.apache.org/ #spamassassin on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:38.18 | cusco_ | sweetpi: nothing in grep |
| 22:38.29 | Queops | sweetpi: cheers. |
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| 22:39.27 | sweetpi | cusco_: grep -ri "engine off" /etc/apache2 |
| 22:39.34 | cusco_ | did |
| 22:39.43 | cusco_ | velhadas:/etc/apache2# grep "engine Off" -ir * |
| 22:39.43 | sweetpi | hmm |
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| 22:41.03 | sweetpi | one sec, ill test here |
| 22:41.17 | FalTam | anyone? |
| 22:41.33 | FalTam | no spamassassin and mailscanner in lenny... what should i do then? clamav? |
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| 22:41.46 | nvz | exit |
| 22:41.54 | krushik | can IMCE module service fckeditor's quickupload? |
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| 22:42.58 | krushik | i've configured watermarks at imce and wish quickuploaded files to be watermarked too |
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| 22:43.25 | krushik | ooop. wrong chan) |
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| 22:44.44 | sweetpi | cusco_: downloads the php file, then I commented the stuff in php5.conf and did /etc/init.d/apache2 restart and it worked |
| 22:44.51 | abrotman | FalTam: have you tried amavis? |
| 22:45.06 | cusco_ | sweetpi: im using squeeze, maybe thats it? |
| 22:45.07 | cusco_ | :| |
| 22:45.08 | cusco_ | gah |
| 22:45.13 | sweetpi | cusco_: so am i :) |
| 22:45.17 | cusco_ | !!!! |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 22:46.38 | sweetpi | cusco_: maybe the script? mine was just <? echo "Hello" ?> |
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| 22:47.47 | ksk | hello. |
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| 22:49.07 | cusco_ | sweetpi: mine is jsut <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 22:49.30 | ksk | "encfs -i n" will it unmount if im in the decrypted directory? which tool does it use to unmount? im afraid "fusermount -u" is atm not working on my machine |
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| 22:51.58 | sweetpi | cusco_: no idea since I can't reproduce it. maybe stop then start instead of restart >.> |
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| 22:52.37 | cusco_ | sweetpi: did that many times already! |
| 22:53.04 | sweetpi | cusco_: nothin special setup like a proxy? |
| 22:53.18 | cusco_ | clean debian installation! |
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| 22:58.24 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 22:59.15 | HackeMate | I created a cgi that need modify the dhcpd.conf, i modified the sudoers file to let www-data to restart the dchp3-server |
| 22:59.41 | HackeMate | but I need to do something to let www-data user to modify the dhcpd.conf too without giving 777 or changing the owner |
| 22:59.45 | HackeMate | is that possible? |
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| 23:01.53 | karlpinc | !permissions |
| 23:01.53 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 23:02.05 | sweetpi | cusco_: only thing else I can say to try is the server-info handler, or #httpd |
| 23:02.06 | vtts | HackeMate, you could save it as a temp file, and do "sudo mv /tmp/new.dhcpd.conf /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf" |
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| 23:02.28 | cusco_ | sweetpi: im trying $httpd |
| 23:02.30 | cusco_ | #httpd |
| 23:03.04 | karlpinc | HackeMate: The right way to do it is to use incron so that you never grant permissions to the webserver. |
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| 23:03.33 | HackeMate | incron? hm |
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| 23:04.11 | karlpinc | HackeMate: Have the webserver drop a file of instructions somewhere and then your incron job parses that and makes sure nothing bad happens and makes the changes. |
| 23:04.46 | HackeMate | I'll read about incron, sounds promissing |
| 23:05.58 | HackeMate | so its like let webserver create a temporary file in a safe place, and incron convert that changes to the dhcpd.conf file? |
| 23:06.19 | Queops | sweetpi: you reckon acl or acl2 package is enough? |
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| 23:07.26 | sweetpi | Queops: acl, acl2 is a programming language |
| 23:07.35 | vtts | HackeMate, you could allow web user to modify database, and call a script on regular intervals (using cron) which would check and if there are any changes, dump data to dhcpd.conf and restart the server |
| 23:07.37 | Queops | Oh you are right, my bad. |
| 23:07.55 | icebrain | vtts: incron as suggested by karlpinc is better |
| 23:08.04 | Snadder | Can traceroute be detected as an udp port scan in some firewalls? |
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| 23:09.30 | vtts | icebrain, oh silly me, i thought "incron" was a typo :) |
| 23:09.36 | icebrain | Snadder: try ##networking |
| 23:10.39 | HackeMate | so the incron is who will execute the sudo mv file right? |
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| 23:11.11 | icebrain | HackeMate: incron executes a script, that script verifies the data the webserver dumped and updates dhcpd.conf |
| 23:11.36 | HackeMate | that script can be any file excutable? |
| 23:11.39 | HackeMate | or must to be .sh |
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| 23:12.51 | icebrain | HackeMate: it can be any executable. But if you're going to just "mv dumped_file dhcpd.conf", then it's not really safer |
| 23:13.04 | HackeMate | right |
| 23:13.06 | icebrain | you need to verify if the data is valid |
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| 23:15.04 | cafuego | You can just run dhcpd -t against the new file |
| 23:15.18 | cafuego | It'll tell you if it's valid or not. |
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| 23:18.16 | icebrain | cafuego: the syntax may be valid, but not the values. Imagine an attacker gets hold of it. He could put configure it to serve rogue OSes via PXE! |
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| 23:21.41 | vtts | or even better, malicious dns servers :) |
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| 23:27.16 | nvz | I am having an issue with frequent gnome-panel crashes on Lenny, everything is up to date and I've tried moving and creating a new homedir. |
| 23:27.38 | nvz | somehow the gnome-panel is still the same even with the homedir completely empty |
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| 23:28.26 | nvz | I logged out of X and moved the homedir from tty1 as root. I don't understand how it retained the panel info |
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| 23:29.19 | nvz | tries creating a completely different user |
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| 23:30.23 | nvz | bah.. so much for the idea its a configuration issue. I just created "nvz" as a brand new user on the system and as soon as I clicked gnome-panel it crashed |
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| 23:31.22 | nvz | does anyone have any ideas on this issue? I've seen it both on this system as well as an ubuntu system I installed next door, yet both of my lenny systems at home have never had this issue |
| 23:31.54 | nvz | I can't for the life of me figure out why gnome-panel keeps crashing |
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| 23:32.31 | amphi | nvz: run it under gdb? |
| 23:32.52 | nvz | amphi: failsafe terminal login, and "gdb gnome-panel" ? |
| 23:33.44 | amphi | just do whatever you normally do, get the pid of the panel, and have gdb attach to it, and then make it crash |
| 23:33.49 | nvz | I tried strace.. it didn't really tell me much other than its catching a SIGSEGV and a lot of failures on a particular read to the X socket |
| 23:34.01 | amphi | ah |
| 23:34.25 | nvz | barring any additional info I can only assume its a ram issue.. being that a SIGSEGV is a memory violation |
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| 23:35.00 | nvz | I've ruled out configuration as well as software bugs simple because it happens with a brand new user, and it is the EXACT same software I use on my two machines which have NEVER had this issue |
| 23:35.23 | nvz | I've never used gdb.. but I'll see if that can tell me anything more |
| 23:36.14 | nvz | this system in particular is nearly identical to my desktop at home.. same nvidia gfx, same drivers, same cpu type.. same Lenny packages.. |
| 23:36.32 | nvz | I've only seen this issue on one other machine and it was a dell laptop I installed ubuntu on |
| 23:37.01 | nvz | so its not even debian specific as I'm sure the latest ubuntu has different gnome packages than this lenny box |
| 23:37.07 | amphi | if it happens on two machines, it seems unlikely it's a ram issue |
| 23:37.14 | nvz | yeah then what does that leave? |
| 23:37.28 | nvz | I've ruled out everything.. heh |
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| 23:37.47 | nvz | unless you see some holes in my logic on ruling those out |
| 23:38.19 | amphi | !blame gnome |
| 23:38.19 | dpkg | blames shamrock and gnome for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 23:38.43 | nvz | this makes no sense at all |
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| 23:39.32 | nvz | I'm sitting here trying to think of what is different between my netbook and desktop running gnome on lenny, and this desktop running Lenny and that other laptop that runs ubuntu that both have an issue I've never had on my machines |
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| 23:39.55 | nvz | both desktops use nvidia, the laptop/netbook are intel gfx |
| 23:40.21 | nvz | I'm just at a loss for an explaination short of something supernatural at this point |
| 23:41.08 | nvz | I do know on this machine today I've seen both a google chrome crash and a complete X crash once.. but the gnome panel will crash over and over again.. upon clicking on anything on it. and then at times it will work fine |
| 23:41.18 | Bushmills | nvz: run panel from an xterm, and look whether any messages are shown |
| 23:41.46 | nvz | Bushmills: I've done that.. I ran it from a failsafe terminal login from GDM, with strace attached from the beginning |
| 23:41.57 | nvz | there are no messages without strace attached |
| 23:42.30 | nvz | its catching a SIGSEGV so there wouldnt be time for it to bitch about anything cause a SIGSEGV is a kernel bitchslap for violating address space |
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| 23:43.01 | nvz | causes immediate termination of the process |
| 23:43.32 | amphi | nvz: gdb might give you a hint |
| 23:43.59 | nvz | I'm gonna try that now, running gnome-terminal alone from the failsafe term only says Segmentation Fault |
| 23:44.03 | Bushmills | remove plugins. one of those may be faulty. |
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| 23:44.21 | nvz | Bushmills: I'm working right now from a user I just created minutes ago.. its all default |
| 23:44.37 | nvz | I thought it could be something in a plugin or config.. but it doesn't appear to be |
| 23:44.44 | nvz | I even tried updating all packages |
| 23:45.21 | Bushmills | updating to what? on a lenny installation? |
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| 23:49.44 | nvz | Bushmills: yes.. just making sure I am using the latest updates for lenny |
| 23:49.52 | cesurasean | how do i install gd with freetype? |
| 23:50.06 | cesurasean | can someone give me the packages names that will enable that on my box? |
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| 23:53.25 | nvz | idk I really cant understand this gdb it doesn't seem to work like an strace, when I attach it, the panel seems to suspend until gdb checks symbols, then gdb exits |
| 23:53.43 | nvz | I can't actually use the panel while its attached to get it to crash like I did with strace |
| 23:54.09 | amphi | nvz: type 'cont' after you attach |
| 23:54.30 | amphi | when it crashes it should give you a stack backtrace |
| 23:56.51 | nvz | bah.. its not crashing now.. heh |
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| 23:57.28 | amphi | heheh, a heisenbug |
| 23:58.27 | nvz | :-P |
| 23:58.27 | cafuego | where? |
| 23:58.53 | nvz | cafuego: gnome-panel.. and its me... go figure.. |
| 23:59.13 | cafuego | so you know where the bug is but not how fast it executes? |
| 23:59.47 | nvz | cafuego: all I know is randomly when it seems to piss you off most, gnome-panel crashes when clicking on anything. be it a blank spot on the panel, a menu.. anything |
| 23:59.56 | nvz | sometimes it will do it repeatedly many times in a row |
| 23:59.59 | cafuego | nice |
