| 00:00.04 | nvz | yep |
| 00:00.12 | amphi | nvz: it's not that uncommon for programs to work better under gdb ;) |
| 00:00.13 | cafuego | blames youjr ram |
| 00:00.47 | cafuego | nvz: Oh! Do you have a microsoft mouse? |
| 00:01.08 | nvz | cafuego: no its an old compaq ps/2 ball mouse in this case |
| 00:01.10 | amphi | nvz: there was a file manager a friend of mine used that segfaulted frequently, but never when run under gdb - so he always ran it under gdb ;) |
| 00:01.46 | nvz | the last thing strace shows is read(3, 0x97ce754, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 00:02.10 | cafuego | nvz: what file is that supposed to be? |
| 00:02.12 | nvz | and fd 3 at that point in time is a socket connected to the /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 00:03.36 | nvz | that exact message appears many times though inbetween successful read calls to fd 3 |
| 00:04.07 | nvz | its only when it does read 3, 0x97ce754, 4096 that it gets a -1 |
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| 00:05.10 | nvz | which since it appears throughout the strace after it socket() and connect() are called, I think that doesn't really indicate the cause of the SIGSEGV |
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| 00:05.28 | nvz | usually the last call before the signal caught is the cause |
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| 00:06.01 | nvz | thats actually not the LAST call, but the other two are just poll and ioctl events due to strace being attached to the process |
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| 00:07.39 | nvz | ioctl(17, FIONREAD, [32]) = 0 is the LAST call, but fd 17 was the output file for strace |
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| 00:10.38 | nvz | bah.. doesn't help I'm using a dish to steal internet at the moment |
| 00:11.41 | nvz | cafuego: anyways.. haven't seen you in awhile. Probably cause I don't hang out on here much anymore |
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| 00:12.55 | nvz | apparently it wasn't me.. the network must be having issues.. everyone is timing out |
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| 00:13.13 | nvz | I went and checked my signal, did a dhclient and reconnected when I seen it starting to ping out |
| 00:13.22 | nvz | thought it was just me |
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| 00:15.44 | nvz | well I got it to crash with gdb, but all I got was no debuggin symbols found and segmentation violation.. which I already knew that much |
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| 00:16.54 | nvz | idk but at this point all I can think of is doing random system diagnostic like an fsck, memtest..etc |
| 00:17.28 | nvz | hdparm can do hardware diagnostic too right? or am I thinking of the wrong program for disk diagnostics? |
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| 00:18.45 | nvz | still dont think it can be hardware related cause I've seen this same issue on a laptop running ubuntu recently.. different hardware, different os.. |
| 00:19.33 | amphi | nvz: did you ask gdb for a backtrace? |
| 00:20.08 | nvz | amphi: I guess not.. for two reasons.. one I don't know how to use gdb and two, the entire X session seems frozen now |
| 00:20.26 | nvz | could try it again running gdb from screen on the tty instead of an xterm |
| 00:20.27 | amphi | 'bt' after it crashes |
| 00:22.40 | nvz | ok, that gave me 7 lines of output.. that I don't really understand |
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| 00:23.29 | dsirijus | how to unrar password protected archive that has some bash sensitive keys in it? |
| 00:23.37 | dsirijus | like, "unrar x -pTjk@Ks*(#s9o45ks test.rar" |
| 00:23.45 | amphi | nvz: what's the first line? |
| 00:23.52 | dsirijus | that throws "-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' " |
| 00:24.06 | amphi | dsirijus: single-quote it |
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| 00:24.25 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/100706 |
| 00:24.27 | dsirijus | tada, thanks :) |
| 00:24.49 | nvz | amphi: I used links2 to paste it ^ |
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| 00:26.26 | nvz | unlike strace output, I have no clue what that stuff means |
| 00:26.31 | amphi | I look at it in w3m, but it doesn't help me much, I'm afraid |
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| 00:27.46 | nvz | amphi: yeah idk what it means either.. any suggestions on where to follow up and what kinds of information to include? |
| 00:28.10 | nvz | amphi: I don't believe it to be a bug in the package so its not really something I'd want ot put on the Debian BTS |
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| 00:29.13 | amphi | it shows the function call stack at the time of the crash, or at least some of it |
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| 00:29.44 | nvz | amphi: given the nature of the issue I could reproduce it many times doing many different things to the panel.. |
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| 00:30.05 | nvz | amphi: that alone may tell something seeing how similar the traces are between different crashes |
| 00:30.06 | amphi | if you had the gtk and X -dgb packages installed, the backtrace might be more informative |
| 00:30.28 | nvz | amphi: ah.. I'll try that.. |
| 00:30.50 | amphi | it should give you chapter and verse |
| 00:31.31 | nvz | amphi: still it all seems far beyond my scope and I'm not altogether sure who to throw it at |
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| 00:31.51 | nvz | amphi: gathering more info I could probably handle, but understanding it.. not so much. |
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| 00:32.31 | nvz | amphi: seems to need to go upstream, but I'm not even sure if its gnome-panel or some other componant of it at this point |
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| 00:33.23 | nvz | amphi: and the upstream devs are usually dicks about debian stuff cause our packages are outdated. heh |
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| 00:35.13 | nvz | this machine I last installed when I replaced the HD, and it was working fine until recently it had this problem.. and strangely enough it was about the time I installed that laptop with ubuntu next door and seen it there, I started to see it here too |
| 00:35.36 | mee | hmm, It'd be fun to see how the return on the dollar is from farming out packaging to Mechanical Turk |
| 00:35.48 | nvz | really not sure where to seek help on this issue given the nature of it |
| 00:37.19 | nvz | mee: if you're not an earlphi bot, then that is the strangest thing I've ever heard a rational human being say |
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| 00:37.35 | nvz | and I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 00:38.39 | mee | hah. I'm not a bot :) Are you familiar with Mechanical Turk? I've talked to a few people who've found it can be a source of *extremely* cheap labor |
| 00:38.46 | nsadmin | yeah, that wasn't exactly passing the turing test |
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| 00:39.18 | mee | I'm real! I swear. Or, well, I think I am. Isn't that enough? |
| 00:39.22 | nvz | mee: no I haven't but I'm fairly sure its not within the scope of the topic of the channel |
| 00:39.41 | mee | heh, sure. |
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| 00:41.06 | nodge | if my root filesystem is mounted read-only and 'cat /etc/fstab' returns an input/output error how screwed am I? |
| 00:44.34 | tensorpudding | what does 'ls -l /etc/fstab' return |
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| 00:44.51 | cafuego | nvz: Well, neither do I for that matter |
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| 00:46.45 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well in my case its not a lack of time on my hands, just an inability to focus. I haven't had a steady job in years due to pain I can't get to the bottom of. Hopefully you're doing better than I am. heh |
| 00:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: You're not conclusively fucked but it would be great if you had a good backup and a new drive. |
| 00:47.56 | cafuego | got to the bottom of my pain, so that helped (bulging disc in spine) |
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| 00:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | How about taking the social to #debian-offtopic? It's quite welcome there. |
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| 00:50.25 | cafuego | No thanks. |
| 00:50.30 | nvz | cafuego: yeah, I think mine is the same thing but being broke and uninsured in the U.S. makes it hard to figure out :-P |
| 00:50.31 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: thanks, there's actually not too much stuff on this box that can't be recreated from backups/hg. I'm wondering how I can tell what caused it to be mounted read-only though. 'mount' gives an entry for / as: /dev/mapper/smaug-root on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 00:50.41 | cafuego | If it werw stupidly busy hee maybe, but it's not. |
| 00:51.12 | cafuego | nodge: The 'errors=' mountoption. |
| 00:51.15 | nodge | that makes me think it's a hardware issue, just not sure how to verify. There's nothing in any log for the last 24 hours or so, which I presume is because it's been mounted read-only for that long. |
| 00:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like it's set up to go read only if it gets errors, which it's getting. |
| 00:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | dd-rescue |
| 00:51.35 | cafuego | nodge: See `dmesg' for ajny specifics. Offhand, start by running fsck (which is nine if it's mounted read-only) |
| 00:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: Were you running smart on it?" |
| 00:51.46 | cafuego | s/nine/fine/ |
| 00:51.52 | nvz | I'm the only one talking for the most part and my issue seems unsolvable which is b.s. first issue like this I've run into in 10+ years using linux/debian |
| 00:51.59 | cafuego | nvz: ouch |
| 00:52.02 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: not that I know of. |
| 00:52.20 | amphi | nvz: the -dbg packages revealed nothing more? |
| 00:52.24 | nodge | cafuego: tried that, dmesg gives an Input/output error as well |
| 00:53.00 | jhutchins_lt | That does some hardware-level monitoring that can be helpful if you suspect the drive, but I would definitely not trust anything on that drive. |
| 00:53.03 | nvz | amphi: was vaccuming and stuff haven't installed them yet. Also if I dont know where to send a bug report or call for help, then I don't see what good that would do |
| 00:53.09 | cafuego | nodge: Ok. So there's a chance it's a hw error, but also possibly a sw error which can be (partinally) recovered. |
| 00:53.32 | cafuego | nodge: You can run fsck on that root filesystem to try and recover. As a start that'll do. |
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| 00:55.17 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: smart or dd-rescue does hardware-level monitoring? |
| 00:55.43 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: smart |
| 00:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: dd-rescue is to recover readable blocks on the drive. |
| 00:55.59 | nodge | cafuego: any other ideas? -bash: /sbin/fsck: Input/output error |
| 00:56.13 | cafuego | nodge: Boot from a livecd and run fsck off that. |
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| 00:56.33 | nodge | cafuego: colo server, livecd will be difficult. |
| 00:56.40 | nvz | amphi: I can def try it, but I don't think its going to make any more sense to me.. just gonna be more of it.. heh |
| 00:56.47 | cafuego | that's hoping the lvm will assemble after a reboot |
| 00:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | I had one fail a couple of weeks ago - system just hard locked in X, wouldn't respond at all, so I power cycled and it wouldn't even post. Pulled the drive a week or so later and it was stone dead. |
| 00:57.06 | nodge | cafuego: which is why I want to pinpoint the cause, so I can tell the datacenter folks exactly what to do with it. |
| 00:57.30 | cafuego | The problem an the hint as to a solutionthere is "the drive" |
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| 00:57.42 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: is your news always this good? ;-) |
| 00:57.42 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: Is it a physical system or a VM? |
| 00:57.49 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: physical |
| 00:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | Have 'em send you the drive. |
| 00:58.24 | nodge | it's a raid setup, not even sure how to determine which drive is failed remotely. |
| 00:58.36 | cafuego | nodge: dmesg and kern.log *should* give you a first log entry .. that may give info. You could query the drives firmware via smartctl, but I doubt you'll get anything useful. |
| 00:58.41 | nvz | it would be the one spewing messages to the kernel log |
| 00:58.41 | nodge | you can tell I'm experienced here ;-) |
| 00:58.47 | cafuego | nodge: cat /prod/mdstat |
| 00:59.05 | nodge | Personalities : unused devices: <none> |
| 00:59.19 | nodge | cafuego: ^^ |
| 00:59.34 | cafuego | nodge: ANtyhing listed F ? |
| 00:59.47 | cafuego | Or is that all that's in there? |
| 00:59.50 | nodge | cafuego: nope, that's the entirety of the output. |
| 01:00.27 | cafuego | nodge: Ok, so no software raid. |
| 01:00.47 | nodge | cafuego: oh, no, this is a hardware raid controller setup. |
| 01:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: Bad controller. |
| 01:01.21 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: how can I verify that? |
| 01:01.27 | cafuego | nodge: Define "hardware raid controller" |
| 01:01.28 | nodge | (short of shipping the server back) |
| 01:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: If it were a single drive then I'd say bad drive, but at this point I'd start asking the data center to look at it. |
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| 01:01.49 | cafuego | nodge: Is it a $1200 model or an on-mobo chip? |
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| 01:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: THis is something you built and shipped to them or they provided? |
| 01:02.24 | nodge | cafuego: good question. It came with this server, which I got secondhand, so I don't know the cost, but I'm pretty sure we're not talking on-mobo. |
| 01:02.47 | cafuego | nodge: Can yiou query what controller it is using lspci? |
| 01:02.48 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: it's mine. |
| 01:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | nodge: At this point you need to look at the controller's management software for diagnostics. If it were just one bad drive you shouldn't be getting I/O error. |
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| 01:03.07 | nodge | cafuego: Input/output error for lspci |
| 01:03.15 | nodge | jhutchins_lt: makes sense |
| 01:03.53 | nvz | is there a dummy package for the X dbg packages? |
| 01:04.14 | cafuego | nodge: cat /proc/pci ? |
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| 01:04.32 | nodge | cafuego: cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.46 | cafuego | yeah, wild stab |
| 01:05.21 | nvz | hmm this would be easier in a package manager than on the command line.. the dbg would be right next to the ones I have installed.. |
| 01:06.00 | amphi | nvz: aptitude? |
| 01:06.13 | nodge | cafuego, jhutchins_lt: I see this command all over Google, do you guys think I'm going to do any further damage by running it? mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 01:06.13 | cafuego | nodge: I think pretty much you're going to need physical access |
| 01:06.29 | cafuego | nodge: Don' |
| 01:06.56 | cafuego | nodge: If only because it'll detect an error and remount as ro again pretty much immediately |
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| 01:09.11 | nvz | amphi: yeah its just a matter of not knowing what I need exactly. the libgtk1.0-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbg and libgtkextra-x11-2.0-dbg and xserver-xorg-core-dbg I figure.. but there are tons more.. |
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| 01:10.20 | Pyre- | hello im trying to get unrealircd to work and it says that openssl isnt installed but it is and same with openssl-dev but theres no package |
| 01:12.19 | nvz | Pyre-: I don't see an unrealircd in debian.. so its probably a 3rd party app and its just not looking in the right place |
| 01:12.36 | nvz | Pyre-: is this a packaged deb or a tarball? |
| 01:13.29 | Pyre- | its a tarball i just need to get openssl to work so i can allow ssl :D |
| 01:13.45 | nvz | Pyre-: so you're building it or its a binary? |
| 01:14.04 | Pyre- | i need ssl to work |
| 01:14.13 | Pyre- | it was already installed but its talking about dev packages too |
| 01:14.18 | nvz | you need to know what you are doing or answer the questions of someone who does |
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| 01:14.31 | Pyre- | Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed. |
| 01:14.31 | Pyre- | You have two options: |
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| 01:14.41 | Pyre- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.41 | Pyre- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.45 | nvz | if its a source package, then you need to have it find the opensll-dev at configure time |
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| 01:15.04 | Pyre- | E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev |
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| 01:15.26 | nvz | Pyre-: well you need to see where its looking for openssl dev files |
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| 01:15.43 | nvz | Pyre-: where did you get the tarball at? |
| 01:15.56 | nvz | Pyre-: I can figure it out quicker looking at it myself |
| 01:16.15 | nvz | if you give me a direct link I will take a look and give you a solution |
| 01:16.53 | Pyre- | its called www.unrealircd.com |
| 01:17.02 | Pyre- | its a freaking ircd not a tarball |
| 01:17.52 | nvz | you really are an idiot aren't you? |
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| 01:19.00 | nvz | a file that is archived using GNU tar (*.tar.gz for example) is a tarball |
| 01:19.26 | Pyre- | you really are fucking rude arent you |
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| 01:19.47 | cafuego | Pyre-: You're not helping. |
| 01:20.04 | Pyre- | calling me a fucking idiot isnt helping either |
| 01:20.13 | cafuego | "He started!" |
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| 01:20.52 | cafuego | You need to install the libssl-dev or openssl-dev package. |
| 01:21.05 | cafuego | Or just pick a pre-packaged ircd and use aptitude to install that. |
| 01:21.13 | Pyre- | openssl-dev no package |
| 01:21.16 | cafuego | I suggest the latter will be FAR easier and more rewarding. |
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| 01:21.50 | nvz | Pyre-: the config script prompts you for where the ssl is located I just looked at it. |
| 01:22.08 | nvz | Pyre-: do a dpkg -L openssl-dev and it will show you where it is.. |
| 01:22.12 | nodge | cafuego: jhutchins_lt: thanks for your help! |
| 01:22.24 | nvz | Pyre-: enter that path when prompted, problem solved |
| 01:22.38 | cafuego | dancer-ircd, inspircd, ircd-* packages, ngircd |
| 01:22.58 | cafuego | Compiling software when you don't know what you're doing never ends well. |
| 01:23.02 | cafuego | See Gentoo. |
| 01:23.24 | amphi | heh |
| 01:24.24 | Pyre- | i know what the fuck im doing helps if people told you what you need |
| 01:24.32 | Pyre- | fuck this the rudest support ive been given |
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| 01:24.44 | amphi | !customer |
| 01:24.45 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 01:25.19 | nvz | heh. afaik there isn't even a openssl-dev in debian |
| 01:25.40 | nvz | it would be libssl-dev for anything asking for such IIRC |
| 01:26.05 | nvz | this is why you don't try to help morons with offtopic crap |
| 01:26.28 | nvz | I did a p.d.o search and downloaded this stupid tarball to solve his problem, and he was too stupid to take a solution |
| 01:26.45 | cafuego | I told him what he needed! By name! |
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| 01:26.58 | cafuego | Why do half the people demanding help have anger management issues? |
| 01:27.18 | nvz | cafuego: you can't fix stupid |
| 01:27.30 | cafuego | nvz: This fire axe says you're wrong. |
| 01:28.57 | nvz | haha |
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| 01:29.28 | nvz | ugh my back is killing me sitting here.. hence why I don't do it anymore |
| 01:30.23 | nvz | installs a buncha -dbg and required -dev packages |
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| 01:31.35 | marshallmc | how can i monitor my network traffic inline and transparently? |
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| 01:32.26 | cusco_ | !why is mtop not in squeeze? |
| 01:32.27 | dpkg | cusco_: what are you talking about? |
| 01:32.31 | cusco_ | err |
| 01:32.35 | cusco_ | how do I check?! |
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| 01:32.47 | frikinz | ah |
| 01:32.47 | cusco_ | marshallmc: I use iftop |
| 01:32.48 | nvz | marshallmc: monitor it how? you want specifics or just amount of trafic or what? |
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| 01:33.30 | marshallmc | have 2 locations connected by a wan, would like to place devices inbetween the switch and the wan router to monitor the traffic for me |
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| 01:34.31 | marshallmc | trying to use ntop but i dojn't know if i can make it be transparent, i don't want to change the current topology at all |
| 01:34.55 | marshallmc | like bridge 2 interfaces and a third for remote accessing the machine |
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| 01:35.26 | rotham | hey... is there a freenode channel for X/X11 programming? |
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| 01:36.57 | nvz | rotham: not that I'm aware.. there are channels for all the various languages you could program in |
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| 01:38.23 | rotham | nvz: alright thanks. |
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| 01:46.22 | nvz | ugh.. this is really pissing me off.. not being able to make this thing crash when I want, but it crashes when I don't want it to.. heh |
| 01:48.29 | nvz | ok.. well got it to crash and it still has 7 lines of backtrace but there is more information now |
| 01:49.08 | nvz | got a full strace and a gdb backtrace on the issue, but nothing that tells me what the problem is and still no idea where to forward this information |
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| 01:54.20 | nvz | oh well, I'm gonna say fuck it for now.. go home and eat.. collected lots of info may end up having to send it to the Debian BTS only to have the maintainer tell me its not their problem.. heh |
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| 02:10.32 | pipeline | I need a tool to watch a tomcat/postgres and restart'em when they crash. Any ideas ? |
| 02:10.44 | pipeline | I'm running them inside a VPS, so they pretty routinely crash. |
| 02:13.07 | Tabmow | pipeline: write a which checks to see if they are running, if not, then restart them - then add that script to cron? |
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| 02:13.39 | pipeline | yeah I was kinda hoping that would already exist |
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| 02:58.29 | dclarke | dear debian .. where would I locate older release CDROM iso images ? this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ seems to be 5.0.6 only |
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| 03:00.16 | amphi | !archive |
| 03:00.16 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:00.42 | dclarke | beautiful .. thank you |
| 03:02.09 | dclarke | I need an older PowerPC rev because the newer one does not have the drivers for the disk controller here |
| 03:02.12 | dclarke | thank you |
| 03:02.28 | amphi | you're welcome |
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| 03:46.55 | dokma | I just resized my partitions and files system on /dev/sda1 and now Debian won't use the /dev/sda2 as swap fdisk claims that /dev/sda2 is of id 82 (Linux swap / Solaris) |
| 03:47.16 | dokma | is there anything I need to do to activate it? |
| 03:48.55 | dvs | swapon |
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| 03:52.29 | peterrooney | dokma: mkswap, swapon , and finally add an entry to etc/fstab |
| 03:53.00 | dokma | is an entry in fstab needed? it worked so far without it... |
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| 03:53.28 | peterrooney | what does free -m tell you about swap useage? |
| 03:53.53 | dokma | it's not using it right after boot |
| 03:53.58 | dokma | but after swapon it does |
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| 03:54.48 | dokma | hmmm actually I already have an entry in fstab |
| 03:55.02 | dokma | however it might be a wrong one since I deleted the old partition and resized it |
| 03:55.14 | dokma | how can I find out the uuid of the new partition??? |
| 03:55.24 | cast | blkid |
| 03:55.33 | peterrooney | dokma: should be something like /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 03:55.57 | dokma | peterrooney: it is except for the UUID notation |
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| 03:56.39 | dokma | yeah...I was right ... the UUID changed due to the deleting and resize |
| 03:57.39 | dvs | dokma: mainly the delete |
| 03:58.00 | dokma | this UUID thing seems completely nonsensical to me |
| 03:58.11 | dokma | I reverted fstab to /dev/sda* notation |
| 03:58.14 | cast | why? |
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| 03:58.43 | un214 | I found last year's plan for taking upstart into debian |
| 03:58.44 | dokma | UUIDs make sense to me when you have a bunch of stuff to enumerate within a rather large namespace |
| 03:58.45 | dvs | dokma: it makes sense to me. Everytime you do a format, the UUID changes |
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| 03:59.02 | un214 | I really hope that plan is dead because believe me if it's not I'm either rewriting boots scripts or gone |
| 03:59.21 | dokma | dvs: which makes your current fstab invalid |
| 03:59.32 | un214 | dokma: exactly |
| 03:59.36 | dokma | and it might not be the intended behaviour |
| 03:59.41 | dvs | exactly x 2 |
| 03:59.50 | kj4 | is there a live version of squeeze/xfce? |
| 03:59.51 | un214 | I'm probably the only one here who will not use uuids to mount filesystems |
| 03:59.58 | dokma | in my current case it was a deterrent |
| 04:00.14 | peterrooney | dokma: new hardware does not guarantee hard drive detection order |
| 04:00.41 | rkhshm | is there a way to bypass the preinst script while i'm trying to unpack a deb into a different dir ? |
| 04:00.46 | dokma | peterrooney: hmmm... that sounds like a good place where it might be useful |
| 04:00.48 | un214 | ar |
| 04:00.54 | un214 | ar x file.deb |
| 04:01.03 | un214 | tar -zxf data.tar.gz |
| 04:01.10 | rkhshm | un214: tried that.. but I want to use only the dpkg cmds |
| 04:01.19 | dokma | peterrooney: are you actually saying that without hardware changes you have no guaranted that /dev/sd* notation will allway point to the same devices? |
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| 04:01.57 | dokma | my gramar is going down the drain... I need sleep |
| 04:01.58 | rkhshm | un214: any way to do that ? |
| 04:01.58 | un214 | this is why one should use bus number / lun number |
| 04:02.17 | un214 | but oh no the powers that be didn't |
| 04:03.14 | un214 | dpkg -x |
| 04:03.15 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, un214 |
| 04:03.18 | un214 | requires dpkg-deb |
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| 04:06.07 | rkhshm | un214: and is there a way i can figure out if the pkg has a preinst script by just looking at the deb? not extracting! |
| 04:06.20 | un214 | ar t |
| 04:06.40 | un214 | there is at least one script if control.tar.gz is present |
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| 04:07.19 | rkhshm | un214: you mean to say control.tar.gz is present if either postinst/postrm/preinst is present for that deb ? |
| 04:07.27 | un214 | yes |
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| 04:07.48 | rkhshm | hmm.. specifically if i want to look for preinst i have to extract and no other way ? |
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| 04:08.21 | rkhshm | because I'm basically trying to unpack a deb into another location and the unpack fails because the deb contains a preinst script. |
| 04:08.36 | rkhshm | if it contains postinst/postrm thats all fine.. |
| 04:08.42 | rkhshm | only preinst is the problem |
| 04:08.46 | un214 | ar p <package.deb> control.tar.gz | tar -ztf |
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| 04:11.13 | Pavlz | hello |
| 04:11.21 | Pavlz | how to use lftp ? |
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| 04:11.33 | Pavlz | can you do an example ? |
| 04:11.46 | cast | lftp |
| 04:11.48 | cast | open host |
| 04:11.49 | cast | ls |
| 04:12.07 | Pavlz | for example ? |
| 04:12.35 | Pavlz | is necessary to digit any password or account ? |
| 04:12.40 | un214 | as you can see I've monkeyed with deb quite a bit |
| 04:12.52 | cast | nope |
| 04:13.09 | cast | help open |
| 04:13.14 | cast | if you want to set creditionals |
| 04:13.52 | kj4 | anyone running Squeeze/XFCE? |
| 04:14.04 | cast | un214: -f? |
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| 04:20.35 | rkhshm | then when ar -x <deb> i find a file called debian-binary what is its purpose. and where should it generally reside? ? |
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| 04:26.38 | peterrooney | dokma: yes. /msg dpkg UUID |
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| 04:34.43 | f8l | kj4: Oh, hi. ;-) |
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| 04:36.17 | kj4 | f8l hullo |
| 04:36.46 | rkhshm | anyone with an idea about my question ? |
| 04:38.50 | streuner | rkhshm: whats the name of the deb? |
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| 04:47.14 | ceduardo | hi |
| 04:47.18 | disinpho | hey |
| 04:47.26 | ceduardo | everybody |
| 04:47.38 | ceduardo | I need help.. |
| 04:48.15 | disinpho | might any of you know a guide have experience with openswan configuration on lenny for a vpn? im completely lost |
| 04:48.26 | disinpho | or have experience* |
| 04:48.35 | _jesse_ | hey all, I'm having issues installing debian (the installation just hangs on a grey screen). I used ubuntu's start-up disk creator with netinst image |
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| 04:49.32 | _jesse_ | I tried creating the disk manually as per the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb too, but it complained the drive wasn't bootable |
| 04:49.38 | disinpho | _jesse_: without any error messages Id try and redownload the iso and burn it with another app |
| 04:49.55 | _jesse_ | disinpho: are there md5sums of the images anywhere? |
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| 04:50.34 | disinpho | _jesse_: Id think so, but i dont know |
| 04:50.52 | disinpho | i never bother to check, and thats when you run into that sort of problems |
| 04:51.37 | franki^ | Of course there are, it should be wherever you got the image from |
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| 04:52.02 | _jesse_ | I got it from the torrent listed on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 04:52.38 | _jesse_ | ah I see it |
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| 04:53.57 | _jesse_ | md5sum checks out |
| 04:54.03 | _jesse_ | so it isn't the image |
| 04:54.31 | ceduardo | I update lenny to squeeze, the instalation has finish, but the graphic enviroment don't start up automatically. I try to change the inittab file from id:2:initdefault: to id:5:initdefault: |
| 04:55.16 | ceduardo | but still the same :( |
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| 04:56.46 | kj4 | ls |
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| 05:10.00 | karlpinc | ceduardo: 2 is correct. Perhaps you don't have a *dm installed (gdm, kdm, etc.) Check the bug tracking system to see if the problem has been reported. Otherwise you could report it and get help that way. |
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| 05:17.06 | rkhshm | where are the conffiles put in during the pkg installation ? |
| 05:17.26 | rkhshm | how does the pkg system know the prescense of that file ? |
| 05:17.34 | rkhshm | is it in the /var/lib/dpkg/status file / |
| 05:17.38 | rkhshm | by any chance ? |
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| 05:36.29 | rkhshm | im facing issues while trying to unpack a deb pkg that contains preinst into an alternate dir.. http://pastie.org/1324825 |
| 05:36.33 | rkhshm | pls take a look at it. |
| 05:37.48 | terron | I'm trying to remove the package ia32-libs-workaround-499043 since it seems to be breaking my upgrade of ia32-libs, but it refuses to do so. Every time I try to use aptitude or apt-get to remove or purge it, they just ask me to install ia32-libs and it repeatedly fails. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GpXMFUHt |
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| 05:46.27 | streuner | terron: what happens if you try to purge ia32-libs-workaround-499043 0.0.1+squeeze1? |
| 05:46.57 | streuner | terron: nm, misread it |
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| 05:49.12 | streuner | terron: what happens if you try to remove libcurl3? |
| 05:50.25 | terron | it tries to remove a bunch of other packages |
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| 05:50.38 | terron | and I still get: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 05:52.02 | terron | it wants to remove a bunch of wine libraries, which are depended on by wine itself obviously |
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| 05:53.38 | streuner | Is a solution at the BTS available? |
| 05:56.04 | terron | not as far as i can tell |
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| 05:57.27 | streuner | try: dpkg --purge ia32-libs-workaround-499043 0.0.1+squeeze1 && apt-get -f install |
| 06:01.59 | terron | thanks, i forgot to try dpkg since I figured it would (should?) have the same result as apt-get/aptitude |
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| 06:03.38 | streuner | apitude/apt-get are responsible for to get the packages, dpkg is the tool which manipulates the debs itself |
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| 06:13.14 | homie | good morning |
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| 06:13.44 | homie | does anyone know what the default max_map_count for debian is ? when nothing is set specifically ? through sysctl.conf or so ? |
| 06:14.28 | homie | i have 65536 here |
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| 06:15.08 | karlpinc | homie: The kernel .config is in /boot |
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| 06:28.14 | disinpho | hey, anyone here who can help me with openswan? im lost trying to make it work: ipsec_setup: (/etc/ipsec.conf, line 3) section header "interfaces==%defaultroute" has wrong number of fields (1) -- `start' aborted |
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| 06:34.46 | alanhagg1i | Hi. I am not sure why, but /etc/network/interfaces does not seem to be honoured by my Debian squeeze/sid system. What might be the issue? |
| 06:35.09 | homie | what does it contain ? |
| 06:35.55 | homie | auto lo, eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp iface lo inet loopback is normally all you need, unless specific requirements.... |
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| 06:36.07 | alanhagg1i | homie: http://pastebin.ca/2001710 |
| 06:36.17 | HackeMate | morning |
| 06:36.53 | alanhagg1i | homie: Even on booting, the interfaces do not 'up'. I have to manually, `sudo ifconfig eth0 up`. |
| 06:37.18 | alanhagg1i | The worst case is `lo` not being 'up'. |
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| 06:37.56 | alanhagg1i | /etc/init.d/networking (re)start does not seem to help either. |
| 06:38.32 | HackeMate | i want to grant permissions to www-data to modify the dhcpd.conf, incron is a solution but I found this: sudoers can give the sudoedit to a certain file or directory, looks like this www-data localhost=(ALL) NOPASSWD: sudoedit /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 06:38.45 | HackeMate | man sudo says it should work, but doesn't |
| 06:38.50 | homie | did you try allow-hotplug eth0 ? |
| 06:38.50 | HackeMate | am I misstyping something? |
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| 06:39.16 | delby | i am considering buying a4tech usb mini kl5 keyboard. anyone has experience with it on lenny? |
| 06:39.20 | alanhagg1i | homie: No, I did not. However, it is a fixed network card. So, will a hotplug event be raised? |
| 06:39.24 | homie | maybe some of your other script files are messy ? |
| 06:40.01 | homie | yes but that's not holding for lo, and you say lo is not up |
| 06:40.05 | alanhagg1i | homie: I did not modify anything after installation. |
| 06:40.10 | alanhagg1i | True. |
| 06:40.13 | homie | that's smelly, seems something else is also involved |
| 06:40.27 | alanhagg1i | Yes, probably. |
| 06:40.51 | homie | i don't even have my eth0 on auto |
| 06:40.56 | alanhagg1i | I search for /etc/network/interfaces in /etc/init.d/networking. However, I was unable to find it. |
| 06:40.58 | homie | only on allow-hotplug |
| 06:41.06 | alanhagg1i | homie: I see. |
| 06:41.30 | homie | you sure you did not remove your hotplug scripts ? |
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| 06:41.53 | alanhagg1i | homie: I did not remove. |
| 06:42.02 | homie | what about the module ? |
| 06:42.12 | homie | is your module already installed ? |
| 06:42.15 | homie | as module ? |
| 06:42.20 | homie | i mean network card module |
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| 06:42.40 | homie | hmm, wait it must be, since you can get it up manually |
| 06:42.40 | alanhagg1i | Yes, it most probably is, as I am able to bring the interface up manually. |
| 06:42.48 | homie | yep yep |
| 06:42.58 | alanhagg1i | The surprising thing is about `lo`! |
| 06:43.05 | homie | yes |
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| 06:43.37 | homie | maybe kernel is screwed ? |
| 06:43.42 | homie | or udev ? |
| 06:43.52 | alanhagg1i | No idea. Maybe they are. |
| 06:44.18 | alanhagg1i | Or, should /etc/init.d/networking refer to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:44.21 | homie | what does dmesg say ? |
| 06:46.05 | homie | no that just calls ifup and lsb/init/functions |
| 06:46.11 | homie | for you |
| 06:46.15 | alanhagg1i | homie: http://pastebin.com/3umr6UQC |
| 06:46.31 | alanhagg1i | Oh I see. |
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| 06:48.21 | homie | what is line 406 ? |
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| 06:48.52 | alanhagg1i | Sorry, I have no idea. |
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| 06:49.45 | homie | oh oh |
| 06:49.53 | homie | line 507 |
| 06:50.55 | alanhagg1i | One of my hard disks has bad sectors. Maybe that is why. |
| 06:51.33 | alanhagg1i | It is not mounted during boot. |
| 06:52.57 | homie | hmm, but your eth0 eth1 and lo seems to be up there |
| 06:53.05 | homie | despite all |
| 06:54.22 | alanhagg1i | homie: I seem to have figured something out. |
| 06:54.26 | alanhagg1i | [ -x /sbin/ifup ] || exit 0 |
| 06:54.36 | alanhagg1i | /sbin/ifup does not exist! |
| 06:54.40 | homie | oh |
| 06:54.50 | alanhagg1i | So, /etc/init.d/networking does not execute fully. |
| 06:54.55 | homie | ok |
| 06:54.58 | homie | then it's clear |
| 06:55.01 | alanhagg1i | Why does that file not exist? |
| 06:55.04 | alanhagg1i | homie: Yes. :-) |
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| 06:55.27 | homie | it got bitwashed away |
| 06:55.31 | homie | lol |
| 06:56.51 | alanhagg1i | homie: Wow! It is part of the package `ifupdown`. |
| 06:57.13 | homie | yep |
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| 06:58.02 | alanhagg1i | homie: It seems to work now! |
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| 06:58.19 | homie | ok good for you |
| 06:58.23 | homie | :) |
| 06:58.25 | alanhagg1i | homie: Thank you very much for helping thus far. :-) |
| 06:58.34 | homie | np, you solved it yourself |
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| 06:58.46 | homie | i just assisted |
| 06:59.08 | alanhagg1i | homie++ # for assisting well |
| 06:59.14 | homie | lol |
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| 07:02.58 | rkhshm | does anyone know how pkgname.list file is generated ? |
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| 07:07.45 | compaq | any help installing php5? |
| 07:08.39 | compaq | well I have it installed. When I do apt-get install php5 it says already installed, but when I type #php -v I get nothing, and when I try the php helloWorld example from php.net, it tries to download the file instead of showing the page |
| 07:08.43 | pocoyo | hi all. Please how to set COMPIZ instead of metacity at startup? thanks! |
| 07:09.31 | compaq | pocoyo, do you have gnome or kde? ANyway, you can go to startup programs, and enter in there compiz --replace or whatever else you want to run on startup |
| 07:09.51 | pocoyo | compaq: i have gnome in debian squeeze. |
| 07:10.25 | compaq | pocoyo, yeah, go to setting or prefeerences and look for startup programs, and then you can include compiz --replace in there |
| 07:11.36 | compaq | pocoyo, I just noticed, it called sessions in gnome. I heard you might want to install fuzion icon too |
| 07:11.43 | pocoyo | compaq: i add that in the startup programs. however, it seems not full well, it's not title bar sometimes. also i have sleep 15s. |
| 07:12.11 | pocoyo | compaq: thanks. anyother tips? |
| 07:12.47 | pocoyo | compaq: i also installed fuzion icon. Now i want to set it startup. :) |
| 07:12.55 | compaq | pocoyo, actually I have a better idea: A proper way to start Compiz is to add WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/compiz in ~/.gnomerc |
| 07:13.12 | compaq | pocoyo, I found that at this link http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=239681 |
| 07:13.40 | pocoyo | compaq: er.. i ever try it ,too. |
| 07:13.54 | pocoyo | not well ,too. |
| 07:14.00 | compaq | pocoyo, you tried it and it didn't work? |
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| 07:14.26 | pocoyo | compaq: yeah. |
| 07:15.06 | pocoyo | compaq: i also try gconf-edit to set window_manager. |
| 07:15.10 | compaq | pocoyo, you have to this: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 07:15.30 | pocoyo | compaq: okay. i'll try it thanks. |
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| 07:16.01 | compaq | pocoyo, I would skip edit of xorg though, cause I am pretty sure it generates a new one each boot anyway |
| 07:16.38 | pocoyo | compaq: yeah i dont like to edit xorg , i have no xorg.conf by default. |
| 07:17.06 | compaq | pocoyo, you have nice video card? I am gonna get a new computer soon, I like switching windows in compiz by moving the mouse to the top right corner. Also I like to run avant-window-navigator, or cairo-dock |
| 07:17.17 | compaq | pocoyo, you dont' need to edit xorg I don't think |
| 07:17.33 | compaq | pocoyo, cause it is all auto these days anyway |
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| 07:18.44 | compaq | pocoyo, Personally, I would just start compiz everytime I boot, cause I rarely boot anyway. Like in a year i reboot maybe 5-10 times. I guess I should reboot nightly to save energy |
| 07:19.29 | pocoyo | compaq: omg. Like in a year i reboot maybe 5-10 times.... |
| 07:20.42 | compaq | pocoyo, ok, maybe 20-30 times |
| 07:21.32 | pocoyo | compaq: :D hoho. my veideo card is ati Xpress 200M :( it' quite pity. |
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| 07:23.18 | pocoyo | compaq: "gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz " i do it . but after reboot, it have no title bar in any program. i have to set compiz --replace again or fusion icon. |
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| 07:33.14 | compaq | pocoyo, oh, thats annoying, but you don't really need the title bar if the have compiz and a dock menu like avant or cairo, but anyway, you must go into compiz settings and make some window settings changes, and it should work |
| 07:34.12 | pocoyo | compaq: yeah~ thanks. :) |
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| 07:47.41 | compaq | where is everyone |
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| 07:48.55 | iman | when i want to load with debian i get Error15 , what's the problem? |
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| 07:52.55 | TyT | Peace |
| 07:53.55 | homie | a piece of peace |
| 07:54.14 | homie | piecepeace |
| 07:54.27 | TyT | hi |
| 07:54.38 | homie | lo |
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| 07:55.33 | TyT | my dear if u have a link of debian gnome intel core nevida .iso DVD |
| 07:55.38 | TyT | Please |
| 07:55.48 | TyT | Give it to me and thanks |
| 07:56.18 | homie | is it sold out ? |
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| 07:56.45 | TyT | no |
| 07:56.49 | TyT | link |
| 07:57.13 | compaq | Is there any alternative ways, with the mouse, to switch between windows instead of using the task bar? Cause I like how with compiz you can point to the top right corner. |
| 07:57.16 | TyT | mirror |
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| 07:57.21 | Larcen_ | hi all |
| 07:57.29 | TyT | hi |
| 07:57.37 | compaq | Squeeze will be stable soon, ooooooh yeaah |
| 07:58.19 | homie | february ? |
| 07:58.45 | Bop | will be stable ? |
| 07:58.46 | hektik | !mailserver |
| 07:58.50 | Bop | how come |
| 07:58.50 | compaq | Anyone can help me with apache2 and php5. I installed them fine. but when I point to a php file in /var/www it offers to save or open with, instead of showing it in the browser window |
| 07:58.52 | TyT | if u have a mirror of the better virsion of debian give it to me (intel core - Nevida ) :) |
| 07:59.38 | TyT | install it with the shell |
| 07:59.44 | compaq | Soon there will be Debian cuts, so we can install stablish versions of testing |
| 07:59.54 | Bop | TyT, just search on debian page for the isos |
| 08:00.06 | homie | i got the sources of ati, and the dkms tool, but it seems it's buggy |
| 08:00.07 | vtts | what is |
| 08:00.12 | TyT | but its for CD |
| 08:00.12 | vtts | what is "nevida" ? |
| 08:00.18 | homie | nvidia |
| 08:00.20 | TyT | i want it DVD |
| 08:00.23 | Bop | there are iso files there |
| 08:00.28 | Bop | CD and DVD |
| 08:00.42 | homie | the driver searches for amd things somehow |
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| 08:00.53 | TyT | Nevida is the screen card |
| 08:01.02 | Bop | nvidia |
| 08:01.24 | TyT | yeah |
| 08:01.34 | Bop | u dont need dvd |
| 08:01.45 | homie | nevida nevida, we dont's have nevida |
| 08:01.48 | Bop | install cd , then install what u want over the network |
| 08:01.49 | homie | lol |
| 08:01.51 | TyT | i don't have a CD's |
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| 08:01.53 | TyT | CDS |
| 08:01.58 | TyT | i have a DVD |
| 08:02.04 | Bop | burn in |
| 08:02.06 | vtts | TyT, http://cdn.debian.net/debian-cd/5.0.6/i386/ |
| 08:02.35 | Bop | it will work if u burn |
| 08:02.46 | homie | lol |
| 08:02.54 | TyT | error |
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| 08:03.13 | TyT | opject not found ! |
| 08:03.20 | TyT | object |
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| 08:03.50 | homie | jep dead link |
| 08:03.57 | homie | confirmed |
| 08:04.06 | vtts | it should automagicaly redirect you to a closest mirror |
| 08:04.22 | vtts | TyT, then choose one closest to you from this list: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 08:04.25 | TyT | if i download the CD version i have to use many cd or dvd |
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| 08:04.53 | compaq | yep, haha, a reboot was all I needed to get php running with apache |
| 08:07.15 | vtts | TyT, all you need is a network connection and a small netinst cd (~200MB), everything else can be downloaded from a mirror during install. Unless you don't have a connection, there is no need to waste cd/dvd's. More information is available here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
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| 08:10.23 | shadees | how to start packaging for the community? |
| 08:10.54 | shadees | how to start packaging for the community? plz suggest... |
| 08:11.25 | homie | give a call to the kernel! |
| 08:12.14 | TyT | is this the place of the iso ftp://debian.usthb.dz/debian/ |
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| 08:12.42 | shadees | homie: sorry?? how can i use kernel for this? |
| 08:13.14 | homie | shadees: forget it, it was just a joke! |
| 08:13.47 | shadees | homie: lolz... |
| 08:14.46 | homie | well, i don't think you can package anything unless you want to distribute unofficial packages via p2p or so... |
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| 08:15.31 | homie | only the qa team and developers do that i think...when approved or so |
| 08:16.39 | themill | !mentors |
| 08:16.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:17.07 | shadees | homie: how can this approval be attained? |
| 08:17.27 | homie | i think you got a link already ?! |
| 08:17.54 | homie | there's a developers link on debian.org |
| 08:18.08 | homie | and a page explaining howto become one |
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| 08:18.44 | homie | how and when your software piece is conforming ...etc... |
| 08:19.30 | shadees | homie: ok.. but can u tel me the difference between packaging for kde or ubuntu? |
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| 08:19.55 | unseensoul | Hi |
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| 08:20.35 | shadees | homie: is it done separately(KDE or ubuntu) or both under debian? |
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| 08:21.01 | homie | kde is i think mostly packaging via tar.gz or tar.bz and ubuntu with .deb too, but don't ask me what the diff between ubuntu and debian is i simply don't know |
| 08:21.28 | homie | there are differences in libraries put in i think |
| 08:21.29 | iaj | lo there.. how can I find out which / and how many users are connected over ssh? |
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| 08:22.13 | unseensoul | Has anyone been experiencing problems with Abiword (testing)? |
| 08:22.24 | shadees | homie: ;)... can u plz suggest me the channel for asking all my queries..? |
| 08:23.02 | homie | #distrowars ? |
| 08:23.04 | homie | lol |
| 08:23.42 | shadees | lolz... |
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| 08:26.48 | ttiicc | hello |
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| 08:28.01 | unseensoul | "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: ..." ; How can I remove this warning and clear the autoremove list? |
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| 08:28.57 | homie | by just pretending to install the same packages in that list |
| 08:29.08 | homie | apt-get install listofpacakges..... |
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| 08:29.52 | homie | since they are installed nothing will be installed but the packages will be marked as manually installed or so... |
| 08:30.13 | unseensoul | homie, thanks :) |
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| 08:30.56 | unseensoul | homie, by the way, what word processor would you recommend? |
| 08:31.14 | homie | ?? |
| 08:31.35 | homie | erm, i think on debian i would use openoffice |
| 08:32.00 | ali3n0 | hi guys, I can't remember the name for a handy tool I used once to copy files and get statistics on the fly... anyone? |
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| 08:32.59 | unseensoul | homie, thanks again |
| 08:33.54 | homie | there are other packages too, but say koffice stuff is only in kde or so, somone using gnome won't want them or so |
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| 08:34.21 | iaj | is there any way to find out whose connected to a certain server via ssh? |
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| 08:34.55 | homie | and besides, the ooffice stuff is next to word |
| 08:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's good, eh? |
| 08:35.15 | homie | so it is already familiar to those switching from windows maybe |
| 08:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | iaj, "w" |
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| 08:36.58 | iaj | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 08:38.40 | guest1231 | does "leave message" after locking screen work for you guys?..I am on debian testing and it does not |
| 08:40.04 | guest1231 | also after entering password on gdm login screen, it takes 12 seconds for the desktop to load.. any thoughts? |
| 08:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "time to upgrade that old '386" |
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| 08:45.39 | guest1231 | "leave message" after locking screen does not work..please help |
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| 08:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | guest1231, file a bug against it |
| 08:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "it" probably being gnome-screensaver |
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| 08:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-screensaver |
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| 09:00.08 | jigp | hi good afternoon.i always update the source in order to view youtube and other videos online..how to get rid with flash?im using debian lenny 5 |
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| 09:00.32 | jigp | before, i can view youtube and other videos |
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| 09:11.14 | jigp | i tried this site to install and update flash but no go.. http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
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| 09:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 09:17.26 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 09:20.02 | petern_ | hmm, does network-manager in squeeze support bluetooth dun? |
| 09:22.36 | jigp | !<non-free> |
| 09:22.44 | jigp | !non-free |
| 09:22.44 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 09:29.07 | tarzeau | does anyone use a self-built libjpeg-turbo? |
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| 09:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use self-built libjpeg-trbo |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses self-built libjpeg-trbo, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:31.06 | tarzeau | well i wonder how i can use it. i'd prefer debian packages that i can take |
| 09:31.17 | tarzeau | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602034 doesn't look like bill will do it |
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| 09:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, doesn't |
| 09:34.13 | gnude | hello, i installed a mailserver with debian lenny using postfix, fetchmail, uw-imapd |
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| 09:34.40 | gnude | now i want wo filter for spam and virus mails. i installes amavisd-new, clamav and spamassisins. |
| 09:34.47 | gnude | but can not configure it right. |
| 09:35.06 | gnude | in the first step he moved all mails with spam and viruses into the quarantäne mailbox. |
| 09:35.15 | gnude | but i want them send to a specal mail account. |
| 09:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... sounds like a good way to introduce a lot of future segfaults and other problems in potentially pretty much every program that uses/parses jpeg |
| 09:36.00 | gnude | i editiet the 15-debian-defaults file from amavist and addes $spam_admin and $virus_admin but ... without effect. it seems that he dont use that file |
| 09:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | tarzeau, why don't you install it in /usr/local and write wrappers setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH for a couple of programs you want to test it with... |
| 09:38.03 | tarzeau | CutMeOwnThroat: because i want it on 200 machines, not just one |
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| 09:40.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then make a package... somewhat sounds to me like you're in a hurry to break a lot of machines quickly, though |
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| 09:43.24 | syslq | Which debian is good for desktop? Stable is just too outdated so I have testing and unstable left? |
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| 09:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with stable... there's backports for the few things you usually want to have newer |
| 09:44.33 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: and stable is stable after all :) |
| 09:44.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't run unstable, it's only meant for developers and people who enjoy fixing bugs so much they don't mind things breaking all the time |
| 09:45.07 | syslq | I dont :) |
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| 09:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have newer hardware that the kernel in stable doesn't support, there's the unofficial kmuto installers which have a newer kernel on the installer cd... |
| 09:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that said, squeeze is frozen right now... so installing it and reporting a few bugs will help making the next stable more bugfree |
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| 09:47.39 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try that thanks |
| 09:47.47 | compaq | famd is running 95% of cpu |
| 09:47.52 | compaq | can I kill famd? |
| 09:48.14 | homie | sure, do you need a bazooka ? |
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| 09:49.03 | compaq | whats bazooka? |
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| 09:49.09 | compaq | I think I am under attack maybe |
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| 09:49.29 | compaq | I've never ever heard of famd until now, it is running 95% of my cpu |
| 09:49.45 | homie | famd is a daemon i tell you |
| 09:49.55 | homie | kill it , kill it kill it kill it |
| 09:49.56 | homie | lol |
| 09:50.06 | compaq | homie, check out off-topic channel |
| 09:50.26 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, squeeze is testing which means more stable packages but less security updates from what I see |
| 09:50.28 | homie | oh man, it's just a daemon for file alteration |
| 09:50.36 | Bouki | hi, is it possible to boot a debian with autologin to root (without prompting password or username) ? |
| 09:50.40 | homie | file alteration monitor daemon |
| 09:50.41 | homie | famd |
| 09:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, also, because squeeze is frozen for some months it'll already have less bugs than testing usually has... |
| 09:51.11 | compaq | well, I killed famd |
| 09:51.15 | syslq | CutMeOwnThroat: otherwise testing is good for desktop or not? |
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| 09:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | murderer... officer, arrest him! |
| 09:51.28 | homie | it is checking if and which files are altered and when and stores the statistics maybe along with the changes itself somewhere |
| 09:51.46 | RenatoSilva | I've sent an email to a debian bug yesterday and it's not there yet, why? |
| 09:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, right now lenny = stable, squeeze = testing - and sid is always unstable ... when all release-critical bugs are gone from squeeze, it will be released as stable and wheezy will become testing |
| 09:52.41 | TyT | fix ur bug with ur self |
| 09:53.15 | TyT | O:-) |
| 09:53.37 | homie | bug yourself shorter |
| 09:53.39 | Bouki | hi, is it possible to boot a debian with autologin to root (without prompting password or username) ? |
| 09:53.40 | homie | lol |
| 09:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | syslq, testing just means that a package has spent 1-2 weeks in unstable without anyone reporting a bug that would prevent it from entering testing... |
| 09:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | RenatoSilva, it's not fast, but I usually get confirmation within a day... perhaps wait another day, then resend? |
| 09:55.09 | homie | on and by itself many packages or software run flawlessly |
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| 09:55.31 | homie | but but... |
| 09:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bouki, everything is possible... |
| 09:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's only software |
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| 09:56.04 | RenatoSilva | CutMeOwnThroat: it takes one entire day in average for showing there? |
| 09:56.38 | RenatoSilva | CutMeOwnThroat: is it manually verified by a human being? |
| 09:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | RenatoSilva, dunno how long exactly... but I'm usually sending via spamgourmet which can add a huge extra-delay, so I really don't know |
| 09:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | RenatoSilva, not that I know of |
| 09:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't imagine that :) |
| 09:57.41 | RenatoSilva | ok |
| 09:57.48 | Bouki | is there a config file to modify to do this CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 09:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so for me it's often a couple of hours until I get the reply... but that might be from spamgourmet... |
| 09:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | RenatoSilva, I hate the way the bts publishes your email in plain... as I use spamgourmet addresses, I see exactly how much spam goes to the emails in the bugreports |
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| 09:59.12 | RenatoSilva | CutMeOwnThroat: it's amazing, we're in 2010 and if that was security flaw for which I was the only person in the world able to solve it, there would have passed a few days with all users exposed, that could be a disaster |
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| 09:59.58 | RenatoSilva | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean, if my message was a security patch |
| 10:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bouki, I think actually for something as unadvisable as that you're supposed to figure it out yourself :) hm, but we have a factoid |
| 10:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Bouki -about autologin |
| 10:00.21 | HackeMate | can I know about autologin too? |
| 10:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Bouki about kdm autologin |
| 10:00.41 | homie | !tell HackeMate -about autologin |
| 10:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !msg the bot |
| 10:00.49 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help>. Browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 10:01.04 | homie | !tell /me about autologin |
| 10:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | *ahem* |
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| 10:01.51 | Bouki | thanks |
| 10:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | RenatoSilva, I guess you can always also mail the maintainer directly if you don't want it public just yet... |
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| 10:05.49 | Bouki | CutMeOwnThroat do you know if gdm works in console mode ? |
| 10:06.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course not |
| 10:07.19 | Bouki | so how i make autologin if i can't use gdm |
| 10:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say you couldn't use gdm |
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| 10:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | for the console look at /etc/inittab, read "man getty", specially the bit about -l |
| 10:11.30 | Bouki | ok thanks |
| 10:11.49 | RenatoSilva | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
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| 10:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but probably there's problems just using the shell as "login program" |
| 10:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but google is your friend there... if you use getty+autologin as keywords |
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| 10:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or somesuch... |
| 10:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really, I don't see much of a point in doing this |
| 10:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can leave the password empty if security is no concern |
| 10:15.05 | jelly | Bouki: what is your use case? |
| 10:15.29 | Bouki | the pc is physically inaccessible, so there is no security concern |
| 10:15.36 | Bouki | it's just in case of power shutdown |
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| 10:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is it possible to replace getty with a shell directly? |
| 10:18.22 | eightcell | morning! |
| 10:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, never tried |
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| 10:19.40 | homie | krunner is abruptly getting unresponsive or even dead in the background from time to time on squeeze |
| 10:19.56 | homie | especially when nepomuk is active |
| 10:20.00 | homie | or strigi rather |
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| 10:20.49 | kevke | Question, I try to get xsl supported by apt-getting php-xsl, however, I always get Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork', which is funny tho, becaus instead of prefork, I have worker installed. I am actually able to change to prefork but is this changing my Control Panel environment? Any further ideas? |
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| 10:21.37 | homie | hmmm, and my emacs bar seems to be showing a scrollable window with *scratch*, that was not the case before |
| 10:21.42 | simonrvn | homie: that's something new i didn't see until a few days ago, otherwise i would've reported it. dunno what's triggering it for me, but after a session restart it works ok (krunner, plasma-desktop). |
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| 10:22.41 | simonrvn | homie: i think it might have something to do with dbus. |
| 10:22.54 | homie | yep i know, session start is ok, but then somewhere in between it does die, killing it then restarting it tells me QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread. |
| 10:22.54 | homie | (Parent is Solid::Backends::Hal::HalDevice(0x9893868), parent's thread is QThread(0x97e7230), current thread is ThreadWeaver::Thread(0x992ad50) |
| 10:22.54 | homie | QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'KIO::filesize_t' |
| 10:22.54 | homie | (Make sure 'KIO::filesize_t' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().) |
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| 10:23.50 | homie | sorry |
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| 10:24.00 | homie | that was too long i think |
| 10:24.12 | mrtnt | What might cause "Permission denied (publickey)." issue? "ssh -v 192.168.1.100" output is here: http://pastebin.com/LNCUksbT I don't manage this 192.168.1.100 server. |
| 10:24.56 | simonrvn | check the remote's auth.log |
| 10:24.57 | vtts | mrtnt, you are not allowed to connect with current key? |
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| 10:25.46 | vtts | mrtnt, and the sshd only allows public/private key auth. |
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| 10:28.22 | mrtnt | simonrvn: unfortunately I can't access the remote auth.log |
| 10:28.39 | mrtnt | vtts: I don't know..that's all I see |
| 10:28.39 | homie | email the admin |
| 10:28.51 | iaj | lo there - can someone help me - I'm trying to use 'useradd' to add a new user with 'all of the available permissions' that are exisiting... how can I do so? |
| 10:29.26 | ecolitan | iaj: all the permissions for what? |
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| 10:29.51 | homie | iaj: that's usually what sudo is for i thought |
| 10:29.56 | compaq | man...my mplayer is broken |
| 10:30.15 | compaq | Its ok, I can use kaffeine, but it doesn't play flv files |
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| 10:30.55 | compaq | when squeeze is out I am gonna reformat and fresh install so I don't have any backports. Never again with the backports |
| 10:30.56 | homie | kaffeine does use xinelibs |
| 10:31.10 | homie | look for xine in combi with flv or so in the packages |
| 10:31.25 | homie | maybe there is an extra lib or module for |
| 10:32.02 | homie | wait what is flv type ? |
| 10:32.12 | vtts | flash video? |
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| 10:32.43 | iaj | ecolitan: ohh sorry.. well I just tried 'useradd foo' and then passwd foo and logged in.. but... i didn't have a home directory there :) |
| 10:33.16 | compaq | when I start mplayer I get segmentation fault. And I guess it has to do with one or more of the libraries it uses |
| 10:33.38 | ecolitan | iaj: then you'll need to create a homedir |
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| 10:34.24 | homie | well, it seems kaffeine's xine uses codecs from mplayer too |
| 10:34.35 | compaq | I wish it would just create the directory when you create the user, along with whatever else needs to be done, like adding to groups and permissions, cause I have no idea about any of that stuff |
| 10:34.57 | vtts | compaq, there are options for that |
| 10:34.58 | compaq | homie, true, thats why I can still watch dvd's |
| 10:36.09 | ksk | hello |
| 10:36.31 | ksk | how does "encfs -i" umount its volume after $inactivity? via "fusermount -u"? |
| 10:37.44 | iaj | ecolitan: ohhh i thought it would be created automatically if i added some flags - thanks mate. |
| 10:38.52 | ecolitan | iaj: there are flags, they're simple things like: --home HOME_DIR --groups etc |
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| 10:42.25 | tgywa | Is there anybody can tell me the casue of this error ? "buffer_get: trying to get more bytes 257 than in buffer 157" |
| 10:43.09 | tgywa | I can see that it is related to buffer. |
| 10:43.28 | tgywa | Can't I resize the buffer size ? |
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| 10:43.59 | homie | why does mplayer even attempt to open an .smb conffile is a mystery to me |
| 10:44.46 | kevke | Question, I try to get xsl supported by apt-getting php-xsl, however, I always get Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork', which is funny tho, becaus instead of prefork, I have worker installed. I am actually able to change to prefork but is this changing my Control Panel environment? |
| 10:45.41 | themill | kevke: mod_php should be used with prefork not worker, that will be part of your problem. |
| 10:47.26 | kevke | So if I uninstall worker, and use prefork instead, I should be fine, but however, is there a remote chance, that my ControlPanel will be fried then? |
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| 10:48.58 | themill | I have no idea what your ControlPanel is and how it works. |
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| 10:55.30 | tgywa | How can I raise SSH buffer size on Debian 3.0 ? |
| 10:55.47 | kevke | ispcp www.isp-control.org |
| 10:55.50 | Dewi | tgywa: upgrade to a newer debian, probably |
| 10:56.11 | Dewi | tgywa: or backport a new ssh |
| 10:56.34 | Dewi | tgywa: I don't know about manually sizing it, but recent versions of openssh naturally have much more generous buffers |
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| 11:15.02 | eviltoaster | How do i measure trunk speed? does balance-rr give me 4gb or only 1gb but load balancing? |
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| 11:17.18 | dekar_ | how do I remount my root read-only via ssh? |
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| 11:17.52 | dekar_ | when I changed the fstab to mount the fs ro the boot locked up when reaching rsync |
| 11:18.15 | dekar_ | *rsyslog |
| 11:18.38 | vtts | dekar_, mount -o remount,rw / |
| 11:18.55 | dekar_ | it's busy |
| 11:19.13 | dekar_ | that was the first thing I tried |
| 11:19.47 | Dewi | dekar_: are you trying to do an interactive fsck? |
| 11:19.59 | Dewi | dekar_: maybe you need to drop into a lower runlevel first (but somehow keep ssh alive) |
| 11:20.17 | dekar_ | so disable the kill script in /etc/rc.1? |
| 11:20.35 | Dewi | I don't think the kill script will kill existing sessions anyway |
| 11:20.47 | Dewi | I don't really have good advice for you, it's just an idea |
| 11:20.52 | dekar_ | it did! |
| 11:21.08 | dekar_ | killed my ssh session when I tried |
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| 11:22.08 | Dewi | sorry. yeah I dunno |
| 11:22.24 | Dewi | I would hook up a keyboard & monitor |
| 11:22.27 | Dewi | or ipkvm if remote |
| 11:22.44 | Dewi | (or get somebody remote to do it) |
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| 11:24.43 | dekar_ | I just wanna to know how to do it without |
| 11:24.50 | dekar_ | I could do it with - but don't wanna XD |
| 11:25.23 | vtts | dekar_, try stopping as much process as you can |
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| 11:25.50 | Dewi | dekar_: are you using lvm? |
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| 11:26.17 | Dewi | dekar_: maybe you could fsck a writeable snapshot and then promote it... |
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| 11:27.33 | dekar_ | no lvm |
| 11:28.00 | dekar_ | just some vm we use for logging in the company - I have to repartition it cause it runs out of space |
| 11:28.31 | Dewi | dekar_: I don't really know this stuff, but at a guess maybe you could run sshd out of the boot ramdisk or something |
| 11:28.53 | Dewi | dekar_: if it's a VM you can definitely just remote to the console |
| 11:29.17 | Dewi | or plug in a virtual \serial terminal |
| 11:29.36 | dekar_ | I can ofc |
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| 11:29.44 | dekar_ | I just wanted to know how to do it |
| 11:29.48 | dekar_ | it's called learning |
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| 11:29.58 | dekar_ | in case I need it one day |
| 11:30.15 | dekar_ | I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible to remount / while keeping ssh |
| 11:30.26 | dekar_ | it still killed my ssh btw |
| 11:30.39 | dekar_ | even though I removed the kill ssh script |
| 11:30.50 | dekar_ | init 1 won't work |
| 11:31.14 | dekar_ | I hope my shutdown -r 5 will work |
| 11:31.21 | dekar_ | but I guess it got killed as well |
| 11:32.40 | vtts | dekar_, have you tried leaving sshd only and stoping other processes? |
| 11:32.52 | dekar_ | not yet |
| 11:32.57 | dekar_ | can't ssh atm |
| 11:33.02 | dekar_ | dunno if it'll reboot |
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| 11:35.42 | Dewi | dekar_: I don't really understand why you need it to be interactive? |
| 11:35.55 | dekar_ | how would you do it? |
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| 11:36.12 | Dewi | dekar_: shutdown -F |
| 11:36.41 | dekar_ | fsck? why? |
| 11:36.47 | dekar_ | I want to repartition |
| 11:37.05 | vtts | dekar_, repartition running system? |
| 11:37.16 | Dewi | dekar_: I don't understand how you would secure such a system |
| 11:38.37 | dekar_ | yeah repartition a running system |
| 11:38.47 | dekar_ | while read only mounted |
| 11:39.12 | Dewi | did you try forcing remount? |
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| 11:40.01 | Dewi | dekar_: but how can you repartition a read-only filesystem? |
| 11:40.06 | Dewi | dekar_: that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 11:40.08 | vtts | dekar_, it wont work |
| 11:40.11 | dekar_ | why? |
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| 11:40.18 | dekar_ | I want to grow it |
| 11:40.21 | Dewi | dekar_: because it's not read-only, it's unreadable |
| 11:40.34 | Dewi | dekar_: you can't read it while it's growing, you would need LVM for that |
| 11:40.44 | dekar_ | Dewi, why wouldn't growing of a ro fs work? |
| 11:40.49 | dekar_ | I don't get what you imply |
| 11:40.59 | Dewi | dekar_: because while it's growing it would not be readable |
| 11:41.03 | dekar_ | I am root - I can write to /dev/sda1 |
| 11:41.11 | Dewi | it would not be a coherent FS |
| 11:41.17 | Dewi | it would be half small size and half big size |
| 11:41.18 | dekar_ | I could remount |
| 11:41.30 | Dewi | no, you can't remount random bytes |
| 11:41.42 | dekar_ | I can remount once it's donw |
| 11:41.44 | dekar_ | *done |
| 11:41.58 | Dewi | yes, but in the interim, it's unmounted, not read-only |
| 11:42.14 | Dewi | so all your tools need to be 100% in RAM |
| 11:42.38 | Dewi | I don't know how you can guarantee that without a boot CD or special boot ramdisk |
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| 11:43.15 | Dewi | but anyway, I'm no expert |
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| 11:43.32 | Dewi | far from it |
| 11:44.04 | Dewi | I have made a debian liveCD with ssh before tho |
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| 11:44.38 | dekar_ | I got the ram assumption - but I guess it would work |
| 11:44.43 | dekar_ | know the risks |
| 11:44.45 | dekar_ | still wanna try |
| 11:45.13 | vtts | dekar_, what fs are you using? |
| 11:45.53 | dekar_ | ext3 I think |
| 11:46.20 | Dewi | dekar_: probably the sanest hardware-free approach will involve a custom initrd with an sshd |
| 11:46.30 | Dewi | dekar_: but remember, security will be a pain |
| 11:47.00 | Dewi | (because you cannot easily change the access details; you'd have to rebuild the initrd) |
| 11:47.10 | dekar_ | so my system just ignores the remount now |
| 11:47.11 | vtts | dekar_, you cannot resize ext3 while it is active |
| 11:47.19 | dekar_ | shut everything besides ssh down |
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| 11:47.25 | dekar_ | no error |
| 11:47.47 | dekar_ | vtts, so I'll resize ext2 I guess? :P |
| 11:47.54 | vtts | its the same |
| 11:48.10 | dekar_ | no waii :P |
| 11:48.13 | vtts | ext3=ext2+journals |
| 11:48.17 | dekar_ | why does it ignore my remount? |
| 11:48.22 | vtts | the basic structure is the same |
| 11:48.27 | dekar_ | vtts, yeah man I know that |
| 11:48.40 | vtts | well ok, try it |
| 11:48.56 | dekar_ | that's why I said I'd resize ext2 then - was implying they're the same :P |
| 11:49.01 | jelly | vtts: you _can_ grow ext3 while it's active, using resize2fs tool. |
| 11:49.18 | dekar_ | so how do I mount ro then? |
| 11:49.24 | dekar_ | no error - just ignores me |
| 11:49.27 | jelly | vtts: only shrinking must be done offline |
| 11:49.33 | dekar_ | nothing besides ssh and bash running |
| 11:49.48 | Dewi | jelly: oh. |
| 11:49.49 | dekar_ | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 11:50.01 | Dewi | sorry dekar_, didn't realize ext3 could grow online |
| 11:50.23 | Dewi | dekar_: you don't need to remount by the looks of things |
| 11:50.25 | dekar_ | oh it IS ro |
| 11:50.28 | Dewi | dekar_: just do it |
| 11:50.30 | dekar_ | just doesn't tell me |
| 11:50.32 | stew | no, its rw |
| 11:50.37 | dekar_ | it IS ro |
| 11:50.39 | jelly | dekar_: /proc/mounts will tell you the truth |
| 11:50.40 | dekar_ | can't write |
| 11:50.51 | dekar_ | mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system |
| 11:50.54 | dekar_ | anyway brb |
| 11:50.58 | Dewi | dekar_: either way, just resize it. it doesn't matter. |
| 11:51.27 | jelly | howEVER, resizing the block device below can be problematic if one is using DOS MBR and partitions |
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| 12:10.17 | SingAlong | hi all |
| 12:10.34 | SingAlong | i'm installed debian from the net-install. And downloaded firefox on it. How do I install X-server for it to run? the pkg name please. |
| 12:10.49 | abrotman | SingAlong: Debian already has iceweasel, you don't need to install firefox |
| 12:10.56 | abrotman | SingAlong: which window manager do you want ? |
| 12:11.07 | SingAlong | abrotman: I got the beta version. |
| 12:11.12 | abrotman | SingAlong: which window manager do you want ? |
| 12:11.35 | SingAlong | abrotman: the most lightweight window manager. i heard that enlightenment is light (lighter than xfce?) or anything else? |
| 12:11.50 | abrotman | hehe .. light? uh no |
| 12:12.04 | SingAlong | abrotman: what happened? |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | SingAlong: xfce is light enough ... |
| 12:12.27 | SingAlong | is enlightenment heavy? well i dont mind skipping it for lxde too. |
| 12:12.31 | SingAlong | lxde would do fine too. |
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| 12:12.48 | abrotman | SingAlong: aptitude install lxde iceweasel xorg |
| 12:12.59 | SingAlong | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:32.47 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 12:33.07 | rindolf | On Debian Testing, how can I see which files are installed by grub2? |
| 12:33.22 | rindolf | I'm getting: un grub2 <none> (no description available) |
| 12:34.57 | bolt-work | dpkg -L grub2 |
| 12:34.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching grub2 |
| 12:35.04 | bolt-work | shut up, dpkg |
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| 12:36.06 | rindolf | bolt-work: Package `grub2' is not installed. |
| 12:36.10 | patito | huahuahuuha |
| 12:36.26 | rindolf | bolt-work: that's what that dpkg command gives me. |
| 12:36.29 | rindolf | Which is strange. |
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| 12:36.42 | abrotman | rindolf: probably grub-pc ? |
| 12:36.49 | rindolf | abrotman: what's that? |
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| 12:36.55 | bolt-work | grub2? |
| 12:36.56 | nicofs | My netbook has an integrated SIM-Modem. I need software to make phone calls (not VoIP). Any Ideas? |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | judd: depends grub2 --release squeeze |
| 12:36.59 | judd | Package grub2 -- depends: grub-pc (= 1.98+20100804-8). |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | judd: info grub2 --release squeeze |
| 12:37.17 | judd | Package grub2 (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). Version: 1.98+20100804-8; Size: 275.2k; Installed: 344k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ |
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| 12:37.24 | abrotman | rindolf: the real package is grub-pc |
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| 12:38.24 | rindolf | abrotman: ah. |
| 12:38.37 | rindolf | abrotman: thanks. |
| 12:38.39 | abrotman | rindolf: what are you actually looking for ? |
| 12:38.43 | rindolf | abrotman: now how do I configure it? |
| 12:38.50 | rindolf | abrotman: I'd like to boot using the new kernel. |
| 12:38.57 | bolt-work | rindolf: update-grub ? |
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| 12:39.06 | rindolf | bolt-work: what's that? |
| 12:39.16 | bolt-work | rindolf: a command that upgrades grub, locating new kernels |
| 12:39.21 | bolt-work | rindolf: it's all in the manual |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | bolt-work: did you see the question i asked you the other day ? |
| 12:39.46 | rindolf | bolt-work: is it a GNU info manual? |
| 12:39.53 | bolt-work | er. s/upgrade/upgrade/ |
| 12:39.58 | bolt-work | dammit |
| 12:40.00 | bolt-work | update! |
| 12:40.06 | bolt-work | abrotman: probably not |
| 12:40.27 | abrotman | bolt-work: you are .is ? |
| 12:40.41 | bolt-work | .no |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind then! :) |
| 12:40.49 | vtts | ;D |
| 12:41.28 | rindolf | Now how do I cancel the grub2 graphical boot screen? |
| 12:41.37 | bolt-work | cancel it? |
| 12:42.42 | bolt-work | ah |
| 12:42.47 | bolt-work | realizes his hostmask is hidden |
| 12:42.50 | vtts | rindolf, see /etc/default/grub |
| 12:43.20 | bolt-work | hostname. dammit. can't work and irc |
| 12:43.24 | rindolf | vtts: thanks! Found it here too - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
| 12:43.25 | bolt-work | goes back to raycasts |
| 12:43.30 | abrotman | boo! |
| 12:44.04 | iaj | im trying to install vim but with ruby support and GUI.. (in order to use CSApprox)... how does that command look like? i guess vim-full is the wrong way to go? |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | GUI? like gvim ? |
| 12:44.46 | abrotman | iaj: aptitude search vim .. you sohuld see some GUI-fied packages |
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| 12:48.12 | jelly | nicofs: I don't know the software, but, are you sure your device is voice capable? My last cardbus 3G modem wan't. |
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| 12:52.30 | iaj | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 12:53.14 | delby | hi, how do i look inside a squashfs file? |
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| 13:00.45 | delby | anyone? |
| 13:01.29 | vtts | delby, what do you want to do? |
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| 13:03.43 | delby | vtts: i downloaded debian live cd and i want to what does the image look like inside. |
| 13:03.56 | vtts | delby, mount -o loop ... |
| 13:05.14 | delby | vtts: thanks. |
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| 13:06.43 | nicofs1 | My netbook has an integrated SIM-Modem. I need software to make phone calls (not VoIP). Any Ideas? |
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| 13:19.01 | delby | vtts: when i try to open the file it is still telling me it cannot open. |
| 13:19.31 | vtts | pastebin the error |
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| 13:21.10 | delby | vtts: Couldn't display "/media/isoimage/live/filesystem.squashfs". |
| 13:21.33 | vtts | what command did you use? |
| 13:22.09 | delby | i mounted it through command line but tried to open it by double clicking in gnome. |
| 13:22.38 | vtts | navigate to the directory you mounted it to |
| 13:23.03 | vtts | and not the file itself |
| 13:23.25 | delby | ok, cd to mount point. |
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| 13:26.17 | delby | vtts: did you mean navigate in gui or cd in cmd? |
| 13:26.27 | vtts | delby, no difference |
| 13:26.28 | bartzy | How can I see the files in a package (In apt-get) ? |
| 13:26.46 | delby | vtts: ok, now what? |
| 13:26.56 | vtts | delby, do you see any files? |
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| 13:28.14 | vtts | bartzy, "dpkg --contents file.deb" or "dpkg --extract file.deb dir" |
| 13:28.56 | delby | vtts: i see directories, one of them is 'live' where the file system of the live system is in a squashfs file. |
| 13:29.21 | bartzy | vtts: What if I don't have the deb file ? Just want to check it from the repo without downloading ? |
| 13:29.47 | vtts | delby, try the same mount -o loop ... again |
| 13:30.36 | delby | vtts: for the whole iso or the internal directory that contains the file? |
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| 13:32.24 | vtts | bartzy, if you are interested only in the list of files, you could try http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:33.50 | vtts | delby, -o loop is for mounting a file which contains a file system |
| 13:34.45 | delby | vtts: ok. i mounted the whole iso. will mount the file now. |
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| 13:36.48 | bartzy | How can I use glipper ? Or if anyone recommends any other clipboard manager (that saves multiple records) |
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| 13:37.26 | abrotman | bartzy: apt-file |
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| 13:39.29 | iulhk | hi all .. how to check xvfb installed version ? |
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| 13:40.16 | abrotman | iulhk: apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 13:41.19 | bartzy | thanks abrotman. |
| 13:41.47 | iulhk | <abrotman>: thnx and pls let me know, how to check xvfb logs or how to connect with xvfb prompt ? |
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| 13:46.18 | EugenMayer | after doing a e2fsck on a ex4 drive ( my root ) i cannot mount it anymore. I have booted from the live cd, tryied to repair it there but still not able to mount. I can read the partition using testdisk though. Anybody a suggestion? |
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| 14:19.37 | vmnew | where can I d/l old deb packages? looking for procps 1:3.2.7-8 |
| 14:21.26 | frikinz | vmnew: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:21.56 | l0st-soul | hello |
| 14:22.08 | frikinz | that's not what I call old.. today I had to fetch things from woody.. |
| 14:22.10 | l0st-soul | did someone play around with live-helper and make debian live images? |
| 14:22.33 | l0st-soul | im facing a dumb problem i dont get it |
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| 14:23.25 | sedulous | used to fetch debs for buzz, in the snow, barefoot |
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| 14:51.55 | bartzy | How can I use glipper ? Or if anyone recommends any other clipboard manager (that saves multiple records) |
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| 14:53.29 | rindolf | bartzy: I like Klipper on KDE. |
| 14:53.56 | ThePub | I use xfce4-climan, probably not as fancy as glipper or kipper though. |
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| 14:57.28 | Communism | Hi everyone :) |
| 14:57.47 | Communism | How do you install the ipw wireless driver post install? |
| 14:57.54 | Communism | I have a T43 thinkpad. |
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| 15:00.50 | skinder | Communism, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi ? |
| 15:01.29 | Communism | Thanks, but I found it: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 15:01.31 | bartzy | rindolf : I'm using GNOME.. glipper ain't working ... I execute 'glipper' in the console and nothing happens... |
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| 15:04.26 | abrotman | Communism: pretty much 'aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00' IIRC |
| 15:04.38 | Communism | "aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 wireless-tools" |
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| 15:05.00 | rindolf | bartzy: OK, can't help you. |
| 15:06.09 | delarge | hi |
| 15:07.23 | abrotman | Communism: sorry, i assume wireless-tools is already there :) |
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| 15:07.27 | delarge | i have 'Shockwave Flash 10.1 r82' like a plugin of Firefox 3.6.12 on my Debian stable but i can't see the flash images |
| 15:07.38 | delarge | somebody knows other plug in for flash? |
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| 15:09.30 | abrotman | you mean the non-adobe one? |
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| 15:11.19 | delarge | im not sure but i think the 'Schockwave Flash 10.1 r82" its a adobe |
| 15:12.31 | iceroot | delarge: gnash |
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| 15:16.33 | delarge | iceroot: thanks |
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| 15:19.27 | delarge | aptitude install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 15:19.29 | delarge | restar firefox |
| 15:19.33 | delarge | and nothing |
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| 15:36.33 | skinder | afaik, gnash is slow |
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| 15:40.23 | tos9 | How can I track down why my printer is putting out an extra page of gibberish after every job? There's a lot of info just searching around, but haven't been able to find something relevant. Printing to file yields only the correct pages to be printed, and there's nothing in /var/log/cups |
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| 15:45.11 | michelem | hello folks |
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| 15:45.26 | michelem | I got debian installed on a FreeRunner OpenMoko phone |
| 15:45.36 | l0st-soul | woot |
| 15:45.42 | michelem | I would now like to get WiFi re-set at every wake-up |
| 15:46.16 | michelem | the wifi configuration is working from /etc/network/interfaces – how can I ifdown && ifup at sleep and resume? |
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| 15:48.14 | jmd | Isn't it odd how just as countries which need to have the word "democratic" in their name aren't, products which need to have the word "open" in their name also are not. |
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| 15:49.47 | geekbri | maybe overtime the meanings of those words will morph to suit them more appropriately |
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| 15:51.17 | jmd | geekbri, Yeah. Like what's happened to the word "patent". |
| 15:51.27 | jmd | Latin for "to make open". |
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| 15:55.31 | geekbri | haha yeah |
| 15:55.47 | geekbri | or the word mad |
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| 15:59.16 | amarprasovic | hello, i need help with configuring automatic incremental backup on lenny |
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| 16:01.06 | SpookyET | Hi. Does screenrc supports conditionals or assigning environmental variables? I'd like to be able to create a screenrc that works for both 256 colours and 8 colours and assigns the proper term based on the actual term, not hardcoded. |
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| 16:02.19 | ksk | there is #screen iirc |
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| 16:05.35 | stew | SpookyET: i'd create two .screenrc file, and call screen with -c pointing to the right config based on TERM |
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| 16:08.40 | RichiH | how can i flush the current contents of iptables' RELATED & ESTABLISHED tracking? |
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| 16:09.20 | SpookyET | stew: I was attempting to avoid that. |
| 16:09.29 | zeev | Hi, I try to install gitolite according to this tutorial: https://github.com/sitaramc/gitolite/blob/pu/doc/1-INSTALL.mkd using DEB package method and run into problems with the first step - su - gitolite . What password am I suppose to enter here? root's password didn't work |
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| 16:12.08 | zeev | ? |
| 16:12.18 | zeev | how do I check whether gitolite user was created? |
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| 16:14.22 | frikinz | id gitolite |
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| 16:16.28 | zeev | frikinz: uid=112(gitolite) gid=118(gitolite) groups=118(gitolite) - so it exists - right? |
| 16:16.36 | abrotman | zeev: getent passwd gitolite |
| 16:18.16 | zeev | abrotman: gitolite:x:112:118:git repository hosting,,,:/var/lib/gitolite:/bin/bash |
| 16:18.22 | abrotman | seems there to me |
| 16:18.46 | zeev | abrotman: so what password am I supposed to provide to su - gitolite ? |
| 16:19.21 | abrotman | the one you gave it ? |
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| 16:19.47 | zeev | i didn't create the user - it was created automatically while installing gitolite.deb |
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| 16:21.07 | abrotman | so change the password? |
| 16:21.17 | RichiH | ah, conntrack |
| 16:21.19 | RichiH | good, good |
| 16:21.36 | zeev | how? i don't have the old one |
| 16:22.03 | zeev | should I at all? - there might be some standard procedure with it |
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| 16:23.03 | WormFood | is there an "official" debian channel/network? I always thought it was here, but someone (on another network) just said it was on OFTC....which is it? |
| 16:23.24 | petemc | irc.debian.org points to oftc |
| 16:24.02 | abrotman | FSVO official ... |
| 16:25.22 | frikinz | zeev: su to root and then change gitolite passwd using command.... 'passwd gitolite' |
| 16:25.48 | frikinz | zeev: or su to root; then the su to gitolite will not ask for a pass |
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| 16:26.50 | zeev | frikinz: do you think I should change the password? - is it how the package is supposed to work? |
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| 16:27.19 | frikinz | zeev: no idea about this package. but why not changing it to a known one. |
| 16:27.55 | SingAlong | how do i force 800x600 resolution for my screen in my xorg.conf? |
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| 16:28.52 | cahoot | SingAlong: are you able to set that using xrandr? |
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| 16:31.23 | SingAlong | cahoot: yes |
| 16:31.43 | SingAlong | cahoot: xandr --output 800x600 doesnt seem to change anything |
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| 16:32.07 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.41 | SingAlong | cahoot: one sec |
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| 16:34.25 | SingAlong | cahoot: 800x600 not found in available modes. |
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| 16:35.07 | cahoot | SingAlong: the I guess you first have to create a usable modeline to put into xorg.conf |
| 16:35.21 | cahoot | SingAlong: gtf should be of use |
| 16:35.31 | SingAlong | cahoot: gtf? |
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| 16:36.22 | cahoot | SingAlong: yes like gtf 800 600 60 |
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| 16:37.42 | SingAlong | cahoot: ah i guess that just gave my a mode line to add to my xorg.conf. right? |
| 16:37.48 | cahoot | right |
| 16:37.57 | SingAlong | any specific place in the xorg.conf i should add that to? |
| 16:38.15 | cahoot | Section "Monitor" (IIRC) |
| 16:38.35 | cahoot | I suppos man xorg.conf would help |
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| 16:40.04 | SingAlong | thanks! |
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| 16:42.56 | mms_ | if I need to chroot but also need make on path then do I first create link under the chroot root ? |
| 16:43.13 | kolla | please dont tell me squeeze comes with ipv6 in the kernel itself?! |
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| 16:43.35 | mms_ | should I first create bin, sbin links |
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| 16:44.51 | tensorpudding | there's a one-liner script you can make that will run commands inside a chroot for you |
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| 16:45.12 | kolla | with ipv6 built into kernel, all the ipv6 module options are rendered useless :( |
| 16:45.41 | mms_ | tensorpudding: actually I am trying to build minix |
| 16:45.44 | kolla | configuring static ipv6 setups on servers becomes nightmare |
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| 16:47.24 | tensorpudding | mms_: i'm not sure what you want, then |
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| 16:47.50 | mms_ | tensorpudding: building minix it seems I would need to chroot |
| 16:48.27 | tensorpudding | while building it? |
| 16:48.37 | mms_ | tensorpudding: yes |
| 16:48.57 | tensorpudding | well what's the issue |
| 16:49.25 | mms_ | tensorpudding: I downloaded src tar ball and extracted in under my home dir and on building get error |
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| 16:49.33 | mms_ | let me paste in #flood |
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| 16:49.42 | tensorpudding | you should paste in a pastebin |
| 16:49.57 | mms_ | tensorpudding: ok |
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| 16:51.39 | mms_ | tensorpudding: http://pastebin.com/JYpajnKg |
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| 16:54.22 | mms_ | tensorpudding: BRB |
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| 17:01.49 | tensorpudding | mms_: is that from inside a chroot? it doesn't look like it |
| 17:02.14 | mms_ | tensorpudding: no |
| 17:02.24 | mms_ | tensorpudding: since I get error so I think I need to chroot |
| 17:02.51 | mms_ | tensorpudding: so I thought if I chroot I will loose bin, sbin and thus make |
| 17:04.13 | mms_ | or may be let me try again with root |
| 17:04.18 | mms_ | I used pfexec |
| 17:04.41 | mms_ | tensorpudding: no I did with root only |
| 17:05.11 | tensorpudding | is the make supposed to be run from a chroot? |
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| 17:05.23 | tensorpudding | i don't know exactly how minix is designed |
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| 17:05.45 | mms_ | tensorpudding: in the distro I see things like chrootmake.sh |
| 17:05.58 | mms_ | tensorpudding: ok |
| 17:06.17 | tensorpudding | yeah, you'd need a lot of working programs inside the chroot for it to work |
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| 17:08.42 | tensorpudding | is the source meant to be cross-compiled? |
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| 17:11.33 | mms_ | tensorpudding: I think it should compile for intel |
| 17:11.51 | mms_ | tensorpudding: I have installed opensolaris on laptop |
| 17:12.25 | mms_ | tensorpudding: chroot /export/home/mitenm/learn/minix /bin/bash |
| 17:12.32 | mms_ | tensorpudding: it fails |
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| 17:13.02 | mms_ | tensorpudding: chroot: exec failed: No such file or directory |
| 17:13.46 | tensorpudding | why are you building minix by hand, anyway? |
| 17:13.58 | mms_ | ok logging off |
| 17:14.00 | tensorpudding | it's probably easier to install from CD |
| 17:14.15 | mms_ | tensorpudding: just to get comforable. I am reading its book. |
| 17:14.38 | mms_ | tensorpudding: the cd is broke so downloaded src and am trying out |
| 17:14.48 | mms_ | ok take care |
| 17:14.51 | mms_ | bye |
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| 17:20.41 | skinder | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/25/8 omg. |
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| 17:25.50 | kolla | feels like crying |
| 17:27.11 | kolla | I was looking forward to squeeze and the new ipv6 features of the kernel in 2.6.32, and then they just ruined it all by building ipv6 into kernel |
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| 17:27.53 | kolla | the new features of the ipv6 kernel module that is |
| 17:28.44 | rioch | Is deb 6 expected this year or shall I just install 5 and update later? |
| 17:29.17 | kolla | I dont expect it this year |
| 17:29.31 | skinder | how do i determine that opengl is installed and working? |
| 17:29.41 | skinder | and how do i install it and make it working? |
| 17:31.37 | rioch | kolla: Thanks. I'll install 5 then. |
| 17:32.09 | rioch | unless...does deb testing turn into 6 or continue being testing, if u know what I mean? |
| 17:32.38 | skinder | continue, i think |
| 17:32.49 | kolla | squeeze is the one that turns into stable |
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| 17:33.09 | kolla | I'm clueless on what testing and sid are |
| 17:33.22 | kolla | testing, unstable.. |
| 17:33.28 | Erbureth | rioch: just install squeeze, I doubt there would be something that breaks horribly |
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| 17:33.51 | Erbureth | it is frozen already |
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| 17:34.02 | rioch | Erbureth: I'm more concerned about it staying as testing and becoming unstable after squeeze is officially released |
| 17:34.02 | kolla | I just installed lenny and upgraded to squeeze with "apt-get dist-upgrade" (after fxing sources.list) |
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| 17:34.25 | Erbureth | it depends how you name the repositories |
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| 17:34.31 | abrotman | rioch: point your sources at 'squeeze', not 'testing' .. |
| 17:34.40 | Erbureth | exactly as abrotman says |
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| 17:34.57 | kolla | it asked me about upgrading grub, which I accepted |
| 17:35.03 | kolla | then I did "aptitude install bugreport", and it removed the new grub-pc and grub-common \o/ |
| 17:35.12 | kolla | so I ended up with a system without any bootloader |
| 17:35.25 | rioch | abrotman: by installing lenny first, or testing? |
| 17:35.36 | amarprasovic | after doing "iscsiadm -m node" i got "adm: no records found!" |
| 17:35.38 | kolla | debian is such a mess with _both_ apt-get (and friends) _and_ aptitude |
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| 17:35.43 | amarprasovic | where should i look for problem? |
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| 17:35.57 | Erbureth | rioch: you can use testing install cds directly |
| 17:36.09 | Erbureth | and then check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:36.13 | skinder | im using unstable and all what i noticed is changing grub wallpaper periodically |
| 17:36.29 | un214 | I use lilo |
| 17:36.33 | rioch | Erbureth: and that's the only way to get squeeze? |
| 17:36.55 | Erbureth | you can also upgrade from lenny or bootstrap from another distro |
| 17:37.09 | Erbureth | but i'd recommend direct install, it's fastest imho |
| 17:37.12 | un214 | or bootstrap from a livecd |
| 17:37.22 | kolla | I didnt find any squeeze image to boot from |
| 17:37.48 | kolla | not that I looked very hard |
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| 17:38.40 | skinder | kolla, so how did you boot? |
| 17:38.57 | kolla | I reinstalled grub-pc |
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| 17:39.19 | un214 | pulling updates to squeeze -- let's just say that a change to the toolchain this late in the game makes me nervous |
| 17:39.20 | kolla | I just find it highly amusing that aptitude decided I didnt need any bootstrapper |
| 17:39.47 | skinder | kolla, i use apt-get and everything is ok |
| 17:39.55 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze is still testing and still breaks regularly for some sysstems. |
| 17:39.56 | kolla | right |
| 17:39.57 | un214 | I think its supposed to do that |
| 17:40.08 | un214 | to avoid instlling a bootstrapper inside a chroot debian |
| 17:40.12 | kolla | skinder: just never touch aptitude, and you're fine :) |
| 17:40.30 | Erbureth | kolla: i use aptitude without any problems |
| 17:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: Lots of people use apt-get and aptitude without any trouble. |
| 17:40.44 | Erbureth | kolla: it's best to watch what is being done |
| 17:40.48 | kolla | Erbureth: just never touch apt-get, and you're fine :) |
| 17:40.49 | rioch | Ok. So, install either lenny or testing (squeeze) and then edit sources.lst to point to squeeze. Is that _all_ I need to do, or are there other steps? |
| 17:41.04 | kolla | jhutchins_lt: lucky people |
| 17:41.06 | Erbureth | and mark some packages as installed manually |
| 17:41.15 | kolla | it's a risky game |
| 17:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: If you're interested in helping find the broken parts of squeeze they are actively soliciting tests of both the installer and the upgrade process. |
| 17:41.31 | Erbureth | rioch: if you install testing, you might not even have to edit sources.list |
| 17:41.32 | skinder | kolla, aptitude doesn't even have super cow powers |
| 17:41.53 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: if you need a working system on a regular basis you should install lenny and test squeeze in a multi-boot environment or on a spare computer. |
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| 17:42.36 | skinder | rioch, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:42.45 | rioch | jhutchins: it's for a server, which I would like to be relatively stable :) |
| 17:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | In that case you definitely want lenny (stable). |
| 17:43.14 | skinder | i think server should be stable |
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| 17:43.17 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: i use it on the desktop as main system, even mixing it with experimental |
| 17:43.24 | kolla | jhutchins_lt: "apt-get install A ; aptitude install B ; aptitude purge B" might very well purge package A as well |
| 17:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: It shouldn't. |
| 17:43.39 | kolla | if A is a package that B depends on |
| 17:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: Nope. |
| 17:43.52 | kolla | since aptitude has no idea that apt-get installed A |
| 17:44.10 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: Yes, the dependency tracking is done in a database by dpkg. |
| 17:44.23 | kolla | sure, that's not the issue |
| 17:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | apt-get used to be not as good at querying the database. It's better now. |
| 17:44.52 | Erbureth | rioch, jhutchins_lt: it is true that squeeze is still not released as testing, but i think it is mature enought to use on server, if you need those new technologies that squeeze offers |
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| 17:44.57 | kolla | aptitude think that A is something that was just pulled in by B, not someting that the user installed explicitly |
| 17:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: If youv'e been running testing it's no surprize that youv'e encountered software in the process of finding inherent problems. |
| 17:45.29 | kolla | "testing"? this has been an issue since the dawn of aptitude |
| 17:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | Erbureth: You've very badly misinformed. |
| 17:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | Erbureth: Squeeze _IS_ testing. |
| 17:45.48 | Erbureth | enlighten me then |
| 17:45.55 | Erbureth | i know |
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| 17:46.03 | Erbureth | testing which is frozen now |
| 17:46.11 | Erbureth | and only bugfixes are accepted |
| 17:46.18 | Erbureth | (with some exceptions) |
| 17:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | Testing which has major problems with Intel graphics. |
| 17:46.35 | Erbureth | irrelevant on server |
| 17:46.36 | jhutchins_lt | Testing which has a beta-test installer. |
| 17:46.57 | kolla | testing that has ipv6 buildt into kernel :( |
| 17:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | It still has release critical bugs. |
| 17:47.01 | themill | Erbureth: there's no security support for squeeze yet. That's fairly relevant for a server. |
| 17:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: It's not fair to use testing/unstable and then critisize Debian's software. |
| 17:47.30 | kolla | why not? |
| 17:47.42 | kolla | am I suppose to wait for the broken stable realease? |
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| 17:47.46 | Erbureth | themill: agreed, you have to watch the security reports manually |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | rioch: install squeeze |
| 17:48.39 | kolla | jhutchins_lt: the apt-get/aptitude problem has been around since aptitude was invented, it's not a "unstable" issue - I have hundreds of debian installations running lenny and a few that runs squeeze |
| 17:48.42 | metalfoo | Reading security mailinglists is always a good idea, even for stable distributions. |
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| 17:49.30 | metalfoo | (At least if you're running server(s)) |
| 17:49.34 | kolla | I'm just saying that people should not mix and mingle with aptitude and apt-get - it _will_ cause trouble, it's just a matter of time |
| 17:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: I think your prejudice may be a bit outdated. |
| 17:49.55 | skinder | hundreds?.. |
| 17:50.07 | kolla | jhutchins_lt: really - squeeze is outdated? |
| 17:50.17 | kolla | it's not even out yet |
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| 17:50.31 | themill | kolla: there are no incompatibilities between apt-get and aptitude except for a couple of features that aptitude has and apt-get does not, like forbid-version. |
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| 17:51.09 | un214 | I just wish there was a prefer-package-from-this-repository |
| 17:51.20 | kolla | themill: so why did aptitude uninstall grub-pc and grub-common when I installed "bugreport"? |
| 17:51.39 | kolla | claiming that they were "unneeded" |
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| 17:51.57 | themill | kolla: there's no such package in debian. You sort of lose a lot of credibility at this stage. |
| 17:51.58 | Erbureth | un214: it's called pinning /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:52.12 | themill | un214: if there repositories are sensibly set up you can pin them to achieve that. /msg dpkg pinning. |
| 17:52.16 | kolla | reportbug |
| 17:52.20 | kolla | sheesh |
| 17:52.22 | ggggbabybabybaby | i'm with the underdog |
| 17:52.34 | ggggbabybabybaby | kolla fits the bill, i'm with kolla |
| 17:52.50 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: Given that I have a squeeze system here with both grub2 and reportbug I call bullshit. |
| 17:53.07 | kolla | ah, you've been paying attention for sure |
| 17:53.11 | kolla | I installed lenny |
| 17:53.21 | kolla | I fixed sources.list, replacing lenny with squeeze |
| 17:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | kolla: It could be that since you have grub2 installed, legacy grub was not needed and has been removed, but I really question whether you have any idea what's really going on. |
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| 17:53.32 | kolla | I did "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 17:53.48 | kolla | it installed grub2, via chainloading and yadida |
| 17:53.56 | themill | kolla: I've done that upgrade a good many times without that happening. Can you please try reproducing it and if you can, send a package list with "reportbug upgrade-reports". |
| 17:54.00 | kolla | after the usual blabla, I had squeeze |
| 17:54.25 | kolla | I removed legacy grub according with upgrade-from-legacy-blabla |
| 17:54.32 | kolla | I did "aptitude install reportbug" |
| 17:54.34 | un214 | ah that's how that works |
| 17:54.49 | un214 | someone told me pinning before and I assumed they ment dpkg pinning |
| 17:54.55 | kolla | I also purged old grub |
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| 17:55.07 | Erbureth | i think it might be a dependency problem, you removed something that depended on grub2 |
| 17:55.20 | Erbureth | and grub2 was not marked as "manually installed" |
| 17:55.23 | kolla | I did "aptitude purge reportbug", and then it said that I also would remove some no longer needed packages |
| 17:55.24 | un214 | always direct-install your bootloader |
| 17:55.26 | themill | kolla: as I said, these are steps I've done many many times with this happening. Please stop telling us here about it 5 words at a time, try to reproduce it and give us a coherent bug report. |
| 17:55.32 | kolla | among them grub-pc and grub-common |
| 17:55.50 | kolla | why would I want to reproduce them |
| 17:55.56 | kolla | I already did |
| 17:56.02 | kolla | _you_ reproduce |
| 17:56.12 | kolla | what do you want... youtube video? |
| 17:56.13 | Erbureth | to fill a bugreport |
| 17:56.21 | Erbureth | exact steps |
| 17:56.23 | un214 | auto-remove any bootloader is dumb |
| 17:56.46 | themill | kolla: irc is not a place for bug reporting and I've already told you I cannot reproduce it. Please file a decent bug report with the package list (and states) from before and after. |
| 17:56.56 | kolla | eh? |
| 17:57.17 | un214 | themill: you know better than that |
| 17:57.19 | kolla | I was just saying that mixing apt-get and aptitude causes problems - it's a well known and established fact |
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| 17:57.26 | themill | kolla: no it is not. |
| 17:57.29 | kolla | it is |
| 17:57.34 | themill | *sigh* |
| 17:57.48 | un214 | ever try to clear wedged packages from maintenance mode? |
| 17:58.09 | un214 | sometimes their preinst or postinst commands fail they you're stuck |
| 17:58.13 | themill | kolla: it is not. Please file useful bugs and stop ranting. This is not going anywhere and is not going to if you don't try to cooperate and provide enough information to solve whatever bug you may or may not have found. |
| 17:58.15 | kolla | themill: why do you think aptitude has "hold"? |
| 17:58.46 | kolla | let's talk about ipv6 instead - you guys live under the impression that apt-get and aptitude are happily living together, that's fine with me |
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| 17:58.56 | Erbureth | kolla: they do |
| 17:59.13 | kolla | I have no good experience from submitting bugs to debian at all, and I just submitted one for ipv6 - sinec that's something I actually care about |
| 17:59.32 | kolla | the package system in debian I find mostly annoying anyhow |
| 17:59.44 | themill | kolla: hold is completely orthogonal to everything else here. it's *dpkg* that has holds and you're just changing that state with aptitude. And by refusing to even try to write up a bug report, you lose all rights to complain about bugs... enjoy. |
| 18:00.07 | kolla | I didnt complain |
| 18:00.19 | kolla | I just point at it and laugh |
| 18:00.45 | un214 | someone show me the dpkg state difference between installed by depends and installed manually |
| 18:01.18 | themill | un214: dpkg doesn't know about such things. libapt does (as shown to you by apt-get or aptitude) |
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| 18:01.53 | un214 | ok so those two do share the same database after all |
| 18:01.59 | themill | yes |
| 18:02.11 | un214 | don't see how there could be a problem then |
| 18:02.28 | kolla | same database, but different ideas about why various packages are at all installed |
| 18:02.34 | themill | kolla: no |
| 18:02.38 | themill | un214: aptitude is more aggressive in cleaning away unneeded packages. |
| 18:02.45 | kolla | ok then.. no |
| 18:03.03 | Erbureth | kolla: aptitude just does auto-remove to keep the system clean |
| 18:03.22 | Erbureth | you can always control that process and mark packages you need |
| 18:03.25 | kolla | "clean" :) |
| 18:03.37 | Erbureth | you just need to know what you are doing |
| 18:03.47 | kolla | ofcourse |
| 18:03.52 | Erbureth | (and you should, since you are administering the system) |
| 18:04.05 | un214 | might be a good ida to tag lilo, grub, and grub2 packages for never autoremove |
| 18:04.06 | Erbureth | doesn't seems so to me |
| 18:04.14 | kolla | if you know what you're doing, you dont need aptitude |
| 18:04.17 | Erbureth | if you let grub get removed |
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| 18:04.31 | kolla | I let it do it |
| 18:04.50 | kolla | just to see if it really would, and it did |
| 18:05.11 | kolla | and I laughed out loud |
| 18:05.42 | Erbureth | that is what "root" user is for |
| 18:05.46 | kolla | and reinstalled grub-pc |
| 18:05.46 | themill | and yet you can't be bothered to help anyone reproduce this behaviour. |
| 18:06.13 | kolla | nope |
| 18:06.21 | themill | *plonk* |
| 18:06.46 | kolla | one debian bug in the loop at the time is enough for me |
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| 18:07.47 | kolla | I just stick with apt-get, since it causes least harm |
| 18:07.49 | un214 | debian bug loop is too slow |
| 18:07.55 | un214 | run them in parallel |
| 18:07.56 | kolla | un214: really, you think so? :) |
| 18:08.19 | kolla | I still get comments on bugs submitted years and years ago |
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| 18:09.14 | kolla | plong away, I'm outta here |
| 18:09.17 | kolla | plonk |
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| 18:10.49 | simonrvn | complains, yet does nothing about it. useless to complain if you do nothing about it. |
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| 18:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | Shouldn't feed the trolls I guess. |
| 18:14.29 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 18:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | I hate that I'm in the position of saying "Debian isn't bad, you must have done something wrong with it", but man, thousands of happy users do NOT have your problem. |
| 18:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | Having been the person having the problem in the past, and being told that on other support channels. |
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| 18:20.35 | Dekkzter | Can someone help me backporting and installing rtorrent on my system... the system is on a dns323 with debian installed... i really cant get it to work... :( |
| 18:21.55 | rioch | abrotman: when squeeze is released, I assume I will automatically start getting the security updates (assuming I've changed my sources.lst to point to squeeze)? |
| 18:22.29 | abrotman | if you have a security source setup |
| 18:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions rtorrent |
| 18:25.03 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 18:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | Dekkzter: What does the newer version have that you need? |
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| 18:26.00 | Dekkzter | i need the 0.8.6 for lenny |
| 18:26.32 | rioch | abrotman: last question :) I assume that, if I leave sources.lst as is, then it points to testing, which changes often and will eventually become wheezy? |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | rioch: you probably don't want that |
| 18:26.56 | simonrvn | !wheezy |
| 18:26.56 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. |
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| 18:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | strange, molly-guard is installed but not working. |
| 18:27.28 | rioch | abrotman: absolutely not :) just making sure my defective brain understands correctly. |
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| 18:34.06 | rioch | Is it still true that CD1/DVD1 will install the basic system and the other discs have extra packages? |
| 18:34.38 | abrotman | you can use the netinst |
| 18:35.13 | rioch | the errata mentions networking issues, so just in case I thought I'd ask |
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| 18:37.06 | ggggbabybabybaby | I'm sorry I don't know Freenode that well, what channel would I go to ask what pizza places might be open on thanksgiving? |
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| 18:39.20 | tensorpudding | one that looks like a phone book |
| 18:39.47 | abrotman | stop feeding the troll |
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| 18:41.41 | ggggbabybabybaby | abrotman: not a troll honestly, what is that channel, ##socialites? |
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| 18:43.11 | ScottG | Does anyone have experience with sane? I'm having trouble scanning. When I try to scan I get the error "Failed to start scanner: Invalid argument" |
| 18:43.17 | abrotman | ggggbabybabybaby: go away |
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| 18:45.21 | ggggbabybabybaby | when Squeeze comes out it will have GNOME 2.30, but not the last of the 2.xx releases(2.32), is there some debian GNOME project that might provide the packages for GNOME 2.32 on Squeeze, I'm not sure if backports would do it all |
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| 18:46.08 | simonrvn | useless... |
| 18:47.39 | ggggbabybabybaby | simonrvn: Well there are some features that are nice. Having the last GNOME 2 release just feels good, and sticking with it for the 2 year life cycle of debian stable |
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| 19:08.01 | rkhshm | is there a way i can extract the content of a deb file as its present in its pkg.list ? |
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| 19:08.22 | cahoot | ar -x or such |
| 19:09.09 | rkhshm | cahoot: ar -x extract and puts it in the form of a dir. |
| 19:09.21 | rkhshm | and it extracts all the contents.. |
| 19:09.31 | rkhshm | i'm looking for it to be just printed |
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| 19:10.07 | cahoot | ' a way i can extract the content of a deb file' - sorry for the interpretation |
| 19:10.31 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 19:10.32 | rkhshm | cahoot: i'm looking for something similar to dpkg -c |
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| 19:30.53 | shylent | I wonder why debian has selinux disabled by default |
| 19:31.02 | kcinloc | How much bigger ae debian's repos than ubuntu's? |
| 19:31.19 | cast | similar to the reason almost everyone else does |
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| 19:31.44 | shylent | cast: hmm, afaik redhat/centos/fedora have it on in enforcing mode by default |
| 19:31.57 | shylent | and, perhaps, so do their derivatives |
| 19:31.58 | cast | yes. i said almost :) |
| 19:32.00 | shylent | maybe notr |
| 19:32.01 | shylent | not * |
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| 19:40.10 | shylent | Im actually interested in the reasons *why* selinux is disabled |
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| 19:42.34 | jhutchins | Unlike other distros, Debian assumes it's administrators are competent and can turn it on if they need it. |
| 19:43.37 | shylent | hm, so if I turn it on, will the system actually work? |
| 19:43.54 | shylent | I mean, if I understand it correctly, the packages must be aware of selinux policies |
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| 19:43.56 | jhutchins | shylent: Assuming you configure it correctly, yes. |
| 19:44.00 | shylent | otherwise it makes no sense |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins | To some extent ot |
| 19:44.18 | jhutchins | it's always going to rely on other people's decisions. |
| 19:45.07 | jhutchins | Some would agree that that makes no sense. |
| 19:45.44 | shylent | what makes no sense? relying on other people's decisions? well, maybe it doesn't make sense, but its still unavoidable |
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| 19:54.15 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. How can I monitor disks (not consolidated but individual) read/write speeds in real time? |
| 19:54.31 | abrotman | iostat 1 ? |
| 19:54.41 | Rienzilla | thas consolidated? |
| 19:54.47 | hid3 | abrotman: good evening. Thanks! |
| 19:55.02 | hid3 | consolidated = TOTAL read, TOTAL write, not per disk |
| 19:55.11 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 19:55.13 | abrotman | and? |
| 19:55.20 | abrotman | how many disks do you have? |
| 19:55.21 | Rienzilla | oh nm |
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| 19:55.29 | Rienzilla | i was confused with vmstat |
| 19:55.34 | Rienzilla | iostat will do |
| 19:56.29 | hid3 | iostat is what I was looking for. Thanks ! |
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| 19:56.45 | hid3 | BTW, I have 8 disks... |
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| 20:05.59 | Sark_Acer | Hello guys |
| 20:07.18 | kalleth | hey, i've got a mysql instance running on my debian server but i can't remember what the root password is.. i've stopped and started using --skip-grant-tables and in the mysql.user table there is no root user at all, i can't do the grant privileges thing i found by googling because --skip-grant-tables prevents this, and also apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 fails, as does dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (which appears to work, but doesn't change t |
| 20:08.26 | emerson_ | I don't whether is suitable or not ask this question here but anyway I gonna ask..How you a compile and make de executable using the gpc ? |
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| 20:13.39 | Mavro | hi, I'm getting an error telling me that no suitable kernel found in apt repositories, using debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-CD-1.iso for installation over usb created with unetbootin, on a eee 1008ha in a 7.5gb ext2 partiton |
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| 20:19.02 | phaer | Hi, my soundcard is detected by alsa, the drivers are loaded, all channels in alsamixer are unmuted and players (mplayer, mpd/ncmpc) display that they are playing but i don't hear anything (the amplifier is working correctly, i've tested it with my cellphone). Soundcard is HDA Nvidia, system debian testing on amd64. |
| 20:19.47 | cahoot | phaer: only one card according to cat /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 20:20.06 | phaer | cahoot: yes. |
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| 20:20.59 | cahoot | phaer: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 - then speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 20:21.03 | limestone | anyone else having problem with correct time under squeeze? |
| 20:21.42 | phaer | cahoot: noting. |
| 20:21.45 | phaer | *nothig |
| 20:21.57 | cahoot | phaer: check your cables |
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| 20:23.15 | phaer | cahoot: the seem to be correct |
| 20:23.29 | Mavro | bump, I'm getting an error telling me that no suitable kernel found in apt repositories, using debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-CD-1.iso for installation over usb created with unetbootin, on a eee 1008ha in a 7.5gb ext2 partiton |
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| 20:24.09 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
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| 20:24.36 | kristian-aalborg | how can I get a newer chromium than the one in repos withOUT getting the dev one? |
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| 20:33.48 | Mavro | bump #2, I'm getting an error telling me that no suitable kernel found in apt repositories, using debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-CD-1.iso for installation over usb created with unetbootin, on a eee 1008ha in a 7.5gb ext2 partiton |
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| 20:37.35 | phaer | kristian-aalborg: Take a look if there's a chromium package in backports or use testing/unstable/experimental via apt-pinning. |
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| 20:38.44 | Boohemian | hi, can someone help me figure out how to write this log file format? i can't get it and as a result, awstats won't analyze the access.log http://p.linode.com/4488 |
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| 20:40.50 | limestone | does anyone know a good channel for general discussing? |
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| 20:42.03 | themill | limestone: #defocus? #debian-offtopic? |
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| 20:45.01 | limestone | msg themill thanks |
| 20:45.19 | dissidentss | I mounted a tmpfs volume twice (somehow) on accident, and every time i try to unmount I get "umount: it seems /usr/test/cache is mounted multiple times" but I don't seem to know how to unmount |
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| 20:47.20 | rioch | Is there a reason why debian doesn't have sudo? |
| 20:47.28 | Malf | it does |
| 20:47.36 | Malf | need to install it though |
| 20:47.46 | Malf | and configure it |
| 20:47.46 | rioch | I knew there was a catch :) |
| 20:47.47 | Malf | and all that |
| 20:48.08 | rioch | Perhaps my better question is: why do I need to do all that stuff to get sudo in debian? |
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| 20:48.43 | dissidentss | apt-get install sudo |
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| 20:49.18 | rioch | What I mean is, is there a reason why it's not setup by default that might make me think twice about installing it? |
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| 20:49.26 | dissidentss | because debian tries not to be bloated |
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| 20:49.52 | Malf | debian tends to stick with using su to become the user by default |
| 20:49.55 | franki^ | Some people think it's insecure to allow your regular users root privileges :P |
| 20:49.57 | Malf | rather than sudo |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | Malf: or because sudo isn't part of the base install ? |
| 20:50.42 | dissidentss | used umount -f and it worked.. |
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| 20:51.28 | Malf | abrotman: not sure what you're asking |
| 20:51.34 | abrotman | i wasn't |
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| 20:51.37 | Malf | okay |
| 20:52.44 | tvm | Are there kernel backports available for lenny? today i downloaded a vanilla and the compile failed (some menuconfig options were incorrect). I don't really care - i just need to get wifi working on this company laptop. |
| 20:53.10 | themill | ,kernels --release lenny-backports |
| 20:53.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1) |
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| 20:53.38 | tvm | cool. |
| 20:53.44 | tvm | googles |
| 20:54.00 | themill | tvm: "/msg dpkg bdo" or details |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | tvm: what is the wifi? |
| 20:55.07 | tvm | abrotman: a technology that allows me to make money without cable |
| 20:55.12 | rioch | franki^: I've used sudo so much on my desktop, that it feels strange to use 'su' on my server. |
| 20:55.30 | abrotman | guess he didn't want real help |
| 20:56.02 | tvm | i did, they gave me a notebook. |
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| 20:56.16 | franki^ | rioch: Install sudo then... It's your server |
| 20:57.04 | jonaskoe1ker | Hello all. I would like to run java applets in a web browser (uzbl or firefox), preferably using only free software. apt-cache search gives me more choices than guidance. Where can I get guidance? |
| 21:01.42 | tvm | so, as i think, the backported package will give me a possibility to succesfully compile a recent vanilla kernel? |
| 21:02.47 | tvm | to be exact = linux-base (2.6.32-26-bpo50+1) |
| 21:02.52 | themill | ummm... or you could just install the package from backports |
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| 21:03.43 | tvm | i don't see it on backports server :/ |
| 21:03.51 | tvm | all i found was this package and linux-headers |
| 21:03.53 | tvm | "l |
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| 21:04.01 | tvm | "kernel" is way too generic search |
| 21:04.13 | tvm | and "linux" returns the above |
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| 21:04.58 | tvm | and "linux-kernel" or whatever i remember from potato/woody times returns nothing |
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| 21:05.52 | themill | tvm: so your real question is "what is the name of the kernel package?". It's linux-image-* |
| 21:06.24 | tvm | themill: yeah, i'm stupid, found right now with dpkg -l | grep linux |
| 21:06.31 | negatlov | H |
| 21:08.46 | tvm | alright, booting into a 2.6.32 |
| 21:08.49 | tvm | thanks so far :) |
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| 21:14.50 | Dekkzter | im installing rtorrent from source following a guide.... when running make prefix=$HOME install i get link: warning: library `/home/dekkzter/lib/libcurl.la' was moved error.. but the file is there... any idea? |
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| 21:15.58 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Hello, I'm using the Microsoft Outlook Web App and I would like to access this account using Evolution, how do you do so? |
| 21:16.11 | tvm | grah, 2.6.32 won't boot for some reason. I'm searching for newer kernel on backports. |
| 21:16.35 | tvm | keep getting "way too generic" or "nothing found" results. |
| 21:16.49 | jonaskoelker | KarlHeinrichMarx: ISTR the answer used to be either "you don't" or "you purchase an evolution plugin from $company" |
| 21:16.57 | tvm | what is current kernel package name on etch? |
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| 21:17.10 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: if your exchange server allows IMAP, you can do it that way |
| 21:17.13 | jonaskoelker | KarlHeinrichMarx: I'm not vouching for those answers' _current_ accuracy |
| 21:17.24 | jonaskoelker | ... listen to abrotman :) |
| 21:17.26 | abrotman | tvm: that is the newest kernel on backports, and do NOT use etch |
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| 21:18.21 | Dekkzter | anyone please.... i really need to get this working soon |
| 21:18.21 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I'm not purchasing non-free software to access my email, that is ridiculous. |
| 21:18.27 | tvm | abrotman: i guess that i will have to go through the menuconfig hell once again. :/ |
| 21:18.36 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Accessing my email is a human right. |
| 21:18.47 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I shouldn't have to pay for that right. |
| 21:18.47 | tvm | and make-kpkg vanilla successfully. |
| 21:18.53 | Mavs | human right? |
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| 21:19.03 | abrotman | tvm: or tell us what wifi device you have and maybe get real help |
| 21:19.15 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Mavs: Yes, all humans are entitled to check their email. |
| 21:19.25 | KarlHeinrichMarx | It is a right of all humans. |
| 21:19.28 | abrotman | they're just not all entitled to email :) |
| 21:19.30 | jonaskoelker | I can recommend hand-crafted packets ;-) |
| 21:19.38 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: #debian does not need to be convinced off the need or openness. Perhaps write to Microsoft and share your thoughts with them. |
| 21:19.46 | tvm | abrotman: yeah, i'll take a look what's that device. |
| 21:20.18 | peterrooney | Dekkzter: tried /join #rtorrent ? |
| 21:20.23 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Well I am not using the Microsoft Outlook Web App by choice, my university, The University of Sydney, is forcing me to use it. |
| 21:20.39 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I really don't like that fact. |
| 21:20.41 | Mavs | KarlHeinrichMarx, interesting that you impose rights on all of us |
| 21:20.51 | Dekkzter | peterrooney. yes... but no answer there either |
| 21:20.53 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I am not imposing anything. |
| 21:21.08 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Rights represent freedom, and are not an imposition. |
| 21:21.11 | abrotman | last time i had to use OWA, it worked-ish in FF |
| 21:21.16 | jonaskoelker | KarlHeinrichMarx: I don't like that fact either |
| 21:21.18 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: okay .. stop bitching to us about it ... |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: Either you use IMAP, or find a browser that works with the outlook web crap |
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| 21:21.44 | KarlHeinrichMarx | jonaskoelker: Are you a University of Sydney student? |
| 21:22.03 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: please stop this discussion, thanks |
| 21:22.05 | jonaskoelker | KarlHeinrichMarx: no, but I don't like _you_ being forced to use proprietary software |
| 21:22.17 | abrotman | is going to kick them both |
| 21:22.25 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Ok, thanks for your sympathy. |
| 21:22.25 | jonaskoelker | done |
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| 21:25.56 | Dekkzter | noone? |
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| 21:31.47 | tvm | the 'wifi' is 'intel corporation device 4239' according to lspci |
| 21:32.12 | tvm | the driver for this is 'iwlagn' according to google |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:4239 |
| 21:32.25 | judd | [8086:4239] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4239 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 21:32.25 | tvm | it's not present in lenny's default kernel |
| 21:32.38 | tvm | :/ |
| 21:34.07 | jelly-hme | tvm: you could use a kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 21:34.30 | Dekkzter | im installing rtorrent from source following a guide.... when running make prefix=$HOME install i get link: warning: library `/home/dekkzter/lib/libcurl.la' was moved error.. but the file is there... any idea? |
| 21:34.34 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: you'd do well to investigate if IMAP is enabled. It appears that it is. |
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| 21:34.57 | tvm | i downloaded it and installed, it will freeze halfways during the initialization |
| 21:35.12 | tvm | i guess, i'll go sid. |
| 21:35.19 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I get the error "IMAP command failed: Command received in Invalid state" when trying to use IMAP on my receiving server for Microsoft Outlook Web App with Evolution. |
| 21:35.24 | themill | tvm: you said it installed fine earlier |
| 21:35.33 | tvm | it did. |
| 21:35.42 | KarlHeinrichMarx | What does "IMAP command failed: Command received in Invalid state" actually mean? |
| 21:35.54 | tvm | but it fails to boot (and it's not surely a GRUB issue) |
| 21:36.06 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: I'm not talking about using the OWA connector but using IMAP directly. There are details of how to do this on your uni's website. |
| 21:37.39 | tvm | does the change of "stable->testing" still consist only of the sources.list edit? |
| 21:37.57 | abrotman | do not use "testing", use "squeeze" |
| 21:38.40 | tvm | so, s/lenny/squeeze/ ? |
| 21:38.41 | petemc | KarlHeinrichMarx: have you tried configuring evolution to access the owa address? |
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| 21:39.01 | themill | tvm: how do you think upgrading to squeeze (which has an identical kernel) will help? |
| 21:39.10 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I am currently trying to access this IMAP server: ch1prd0104.outlook.com. |
| 21:39.17 | KarlHeinrichMarx | For receiving mail, that is. |
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| 21:40.01 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: just using "outlook.com" is what is described at http://sydney.edu.au/ict/switch/sydney-mail/faq.shtml |
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| 21:40.07 | tvm | themill: erm, there's 2.6.26 @ squeeze ? :/ |
| 21:40.35 | themill | tvm: 2.6.32... you know, the one you've been trying to install and have told us that it both did and didn't install at the same time? |
| 21:40.40 | themill | heisenkernel. |
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| 21:41.00 | tvm | yes, but i secretly hope that it will automagically work. |
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| 21:41.06 | tvm | i'm that exhausted and tired. |
| 21:41.30 | themill | it's not going to any more than installing the backports kernel will |
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| 21:42.57 | tvm | yes, i guess. |
| 21:43.47 | tvm | after a cigarette i'll try to compile the vanilla once again. :/ |
| 21:43.57 | tvm | since there's no easy solution anyways. |
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| 21:44.51 | themill | tvm: yes, there is an easy solution... "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686" |
| 21:45.40 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Is TLS inherently more secure than SSL? |
| 21:45.48 | metalfoo | TLS is inherently the same as SSL |
| 21:45.57 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Which one should I use then. |
| 21:45.59 | KarlHeinrichMarx | ?* |
| 21:46.05 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Either or? |
| 21:46.14 | metalfoo | for what protocol? |
| 21:46.20 | KarlHeinrichMarx | IMAP and SMTP. |
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| 21:46.32 | Mavs | I think the option is server-sided |
| 21:46.45 | KarlHeinrichMarx | No, I can change it on the Evolution client. |
| 21:47.02 | metalfoo | Both are fine. SSL means to connect encrypted, while TLS connection negotiate to a encrypted connection after connecting to plain unencrypted SMTP |
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| 21:47.25 | Mavs | change or select? |
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| 21:47.34 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: the server will likely only support one of them. And the correct answer is shown on that link I gave you earlier, amazingly. |
| 21:47.46 | tvm | themill: executed. i hope that these 2494 bytes of download are worth this restart :D |
| 21:48.31 | djura-san | o/ ¤¤¤ ¤ ¤¤¤ |
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| 21:50.08 | Malf | yeah the server picks one |
| 21:50.13 | Malf | and you're stuck going with that |
| 21:50.26 | eshat | Is there a way to have multi-colored quotes in KMail ? |
| 21:51.42 | themill | eshat: Configure → Kmail → Appearance → Colours → Quoted text - {First,Second,Third} level |
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| 21:52.04 | tvm | everything still the same :/ |
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| 21:52.41 | themill | tvm: same as what? |
| 21:53.25 | tvm | as before i tried to do anything with backported linux-images. |
| 21:53.41 | tvm | backported one won't boot (freezes halfways during the boot) |
| 21:53.50 | tvm | and the 2.6.26 doesn't supports anything. |
| 21:54.08 | jelly-home | KarlHeinrichMarx: TSL. |
| 21:54.13 | jelly-home | TLS, dammit |
| 21:54.37 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Thanks. |
| 21:56.07 | themill | tvm: for anyone to help, you're going to have to provide information. "Same as before" is useless. "freezes halfway through boot" isn't much better. |
| 21:57.52 | tvm | themill: i'm very well aware of that. i'm just saddened that debian-stable isn't giving me a functionality that i expect (just like few years ago). |
| 21:58.00 | tvm | of course, i'm not blaming debian. |
| 21:58.51 | abrotman | sure sounds like it |
| 21:59.40 | tvm | i had an old desktop at work, running debian 4.0, everything was fine. |
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| 21:59.57 | tvm | they cancelled desktop, gave me a hypercool notebook and nothing works. |
| 22:00.02 | tvm | hence my sadness. |
| 22:00.30 | KarlHeinrichMarx | It seems that I can scan my folders with the IMAP protocol and login, however no messages are downloaded to my laptop. What gives? |
| 22:00.44 | KarlHeinrichMarx | It seems like there are no connection problems. |
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| 22:00.56 | jelly-home | tvm: aww. |
| 22:01.12 | KarlHeinrichMarx | If you didn't read above, I'm using OWA and Evolution. |
| 22:02.02 | Malf | KarlHeinrichMarx: What version of evolution and what version of Exchange/OWA are you running against? I know I had problems connecting via OWA in evolution when my company upgraded their exchange version |
| 22:02.33 | Malf | although my solution turned out to be "convince them to use IMAP instead" |
| 22:02.43 | tvm | spent a whole day getting stuff together, deleted win7, installed debian, but the the age difference between deb-stable and this notebook is way too big. |
| 22:03.42 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: OWA+Evolution doesn't actually use IMAP to the server. Doing that would be much simpler. Have you tried that yet? |
| 22:03.46 | amphi | tvm: what card do you have? |
| 22:04.06 | KarlHeinrichMarx | themill: I didn't understand what you just said. |
| 22:04.12 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I am using IMAP. |
| 22:04.19 | themill | not if you're using OWA |
| 22:04.22 | KarlHeinrichMarx | And it doesn't work. |
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| 22:04.31 | tvm | amphi: Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 4239 (rev 35) |
| 22:04.54 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I am using outlook.com:993 as my receiving server. |
| 22:05.00 | KarlHeinrichMarx | With IMAP. |
| 22:05.17 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Why doesn't OWA use IMAP? |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: dpkg -l evolution .. which version is it ? |
| 22:05.28 | Malf | KarlHeinrichMarx: To clear things up for us. If you, in evolution, look under the "Receiving Email" tab what is the "Server Type" dropdown set to? |
| 22:05.55 | Malf | there's some confusion for us since there's also a "Microsoft Exchange" type option |
| 22:05.59 | Malf | that tries to use OWA directly |
| 22:05.59 | amphi | tvm: never heard of that one; the iwlagn in squeeze supports 4965, 5000, 5150, 6000 & 6050 at least, FWIW |
| 22:06.10 | KarlHeinrichMarx | It is set to IMAP. |
| 22:06.12 | Malf | at least in some versions of evolution |
| 22:06.13 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: dpkg -l evolution .. which version is it ? |
| 22:06.18 | Malf | okay thanks |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | amphi: tha'ts the PCIID |
| 22:06.23 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:4239 |
| 22:06.26 | judd | [8086:4239] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4239 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 22:06.41 | amphi | ah |
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| 22:07.00 | KarlHeinrichMarx | 2.22.3.1-1 |
| 22:07.02 | tvm | amphi: yeah, this is some brand new above-average notebook |
| 22:07.03 | Malf | with my work's setup I had to use SSL instead of TLS just due to their setup |
| 22:07.24 | tvm | thus, pretty much useless withou win7 and all the custom lenovo/ibm tools |
| 22:07.28 | KarlHeinrichMarx | My OWA server is "Beta". |
| 22:07.29 | Malf | additionally usernames for me are in the format name@company.com |
| 22:07.42 | amphi | tvm: oh, a new stinkpad? nice |
| 22:07.47 | tvm | yeah. :/ |
| 22:07.50 | Malf | although other stuff occasionally appeared to validate a successful login |
| 22:07.53 | Malf | but not actually do much |
| 22:08.02 | Malf | so you may want to play around with alternative login setups |
| 22:08.02 | amphi | tvm: what model? |
| 22:08.14 | tvm | lenovo l512 |
| 22:08.50 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: if the server type is set to IMAP and you're using outlook.com:993 as your incoming server, then you're not using OWA at all. You're only confusing people by mentioning this. |
| 22:08.56 | tvm | at least it's written on it, heh. |
| 22:08.59 | KarlHeinrichMarx | IMAP is broken, no permutation of setting with IMAP works on outlook.com:993 with Evolution on Receiving Email. |
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| 22:09.03 | amphi | tvm: oh, not a thinkpad then |
| 22:09.14 | KarlHeinrichMarx | themill: What am I using then? |
| 22:09.19 | Malf | And it doesn't display anything down bottom in evolution to tell you details about what is wrong? |
| 22:09.21 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: IMAP. Just IMAP. |
| 22:09.28 | tvm | amphi: the sticker below my hand is trying to tell 'thinkpad' |
| 22:09.40 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Ok. I'm just using IMAP, and Evolution won't work with the server. |
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| 22:10.12 | abrotman | what's the server name? |
| 22:11.06 | KarlHeinrichMarx | outlook.com:993 |
| 22:11.14 | zuo | Hello .* |
| 22:11.17 | FalTam | hai |
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| 22:11.25 | FalTam | is it possible to remount / withoout rebooting>? |
| 22:11.32 | KarlHeinrichMarx | No permutation of settings works with IMAP on outlook.com:993. I simply cannot receive any email. |
| 22:12.23 | kj4 | FalTam: mount -a |
| 22:12.27 | abrotman | wait .. you want to know why a Microsoft website doesn't support an open standard? hehe .. |
| 22:12.32 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Don't bother about it guys, I'll just use POP. |
| 22:12.40 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Thanks for your help. |
| 22:12.42 | Malf | Karl |
| 22:12.49 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Don't bother about it people I mean* |
| 22:12.53 | Malf | did you get that address from the web app? |
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| 22:13.17 | KarlHeinrichMarx | No, from my university's official setup guide. |
| 22:13.18 | Malf | Sounds like it may be specific on a per account basis somewhat |
| 22:13.20 | Malf | ahh |
| 22:13.24 | KarlHeinrichMarx | http://sydney.edu.au/ict/switch/sydney-mail/outlook-2007.shtml |
| 22:13.32 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I adapted it to Evolution. |
| 22:13.38 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Which is trivial, of course. |
| 22:13.51 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Getting message 100 of 1295... |
| 22:13.54 | Malf | okay |
| 22:14.13 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Evolution doesn't work with outlook.com:993 on IMAP. |
| 22:14.14 | Malf | yeah looks like they say IMAP requires SSL as the setting |
| 22:14.28 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Maybe someone can but that in a wiki, even with SSL it's still broken. |
| 22:14.56 | KarlHeinrichMarx | put that* - also with no encryption it is also broken. IMAP is simply broken with outlook.com:993. |
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| 22:15.17 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Microsoft need to fix outlook.com:993's IMAP service to actually support the standard. |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | tell them, not us |
| 22:15.31 | KarlHeinrichMarx | It's a standard protocol, and Microsoft doesn't implement it correctly. |
| 22:15.34 | abrotman | tell them, not us |
| 22:15.45 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Ok, abrotman. |
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| 22:17.08 | jelly-home | KarlHeinrichMarx: :993 is a deprecated port for using IMAP4 protocol with preselected SSL tunneling. Use the standard IMAP4 port, 143, and STARTTLS (that is, "TLS") if you can. |
| 22:17.29 | jelly-home | Exchange 2007 certainly can be configured to allow that. Mine does. |
| 22:17.40 | FalTam | kj4 will it be a problem if it is the / partition? :) |
| 22:17.44 | FalTam | on a live system? :) |
| 22:18.22 | Argafal | If I install Debian onto a solid state drive, LVM in cryptdisk (via debian installer), is there anything I have to do differently, like filesystem options? |
| 22:18.52 | eshat | themill: thanks for the reply at 22:51 (just read it now) |
| 22:19.00 | Malf | Karl you may also want to try pod51000.outlook.com on that port as the IMAP URL also |
| 22:19.25 | Malf | I've seen plenty of exchange configurations where they claimed it was different URLs for different services and it was all sitting at one URL |
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| 22:19.43 | FalTam | so will the / remount aswell without hanging the system? |
| 22:20.14 | amphi | tvm: oh, I see it is a new range |
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| 22:20.39 | KarlHeinrichMarx | My Univerity's ICT department are morons, then. |
| 22:20.47 | tvm | yeah, but it's pretty much useless :/ |
| 22:20.48 | Malf | possible |
| 22:20.56 | amphi | tvm: there was a tarball of recent wireless modules linked from intel's wireless site a while back, dunno if it still exists |
| 22:21.01 | Malf | or it could just be busted like you initially suggested |
| 22:21.11 | Malf | just throwing that out there since I've seen that work before |
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| 22:21.27 | amphi | tvm: I used that a good while back for my 4965 |
| 22:21.42 | FalTam | so no one knows? |
| 22:21.54 | FalTam | if it is possible to remount the / without rebooting? |
| 22:21.56 | tvm | as i don't care, i started a new vanilla compile with make configallyes |
| 22:22.16 | tvm | that's all i'm able to do tday |
| 22:22.18 | tvm | today* |
| 22:22.19 | tvm | :> |
| 22:22.21 | Rienzilla | FalTam: you want to remount to another location? |
| 22:22.35 | KarlHeinrichMarx | pod51000.outlook.com:143 with TLS won't download the messages either. Microsoft is clearly at fault here, and not Novell. |
| 22:22.45 | FalTam | Rienzilla no |
| 22:22.49 | FalTam | i put acl to it |
| 22:22.55 | FalTam | and i want to remount it with acl |
| 22:23.04 | Rienzilla | mount -o remount,otheroptions / |
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| 22:23.26 | FalTam | it works on a running system? :O |
| 22:23.30 | FalTam | just remounting the / |
| 22:23.36 | FalTam | with all the proc and shit on it? |
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| 22:23.47 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I will try and log in with Microsoft Exchange. |
| 22:24.00 | jelly-home | KarlHeinrichMarx: try a different client, like icedove/Thunderbird or mutt |
| 22:24.10 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Microsoft doesn't have a working IMAP server. |
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| 22:24.46 | jelly-home | KarlHeinrichMarx: please don't use such generalizations when describing your Debian issues. |
| 22:25.00 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Sorry, jelly-home. |
| 22:25.38 | FalTam | Rienzilla but it is the / |
| 22:25.42 | FalTam | the only partition |
| 22:25.51 | FalTam | so the whole /proc will be unavailable |
| 22:26.01 | Rienzilla | no |
| 22:26.07 | Rienzilla | I just gave you the command |
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| 22:26.13 | FalTam | i know this command |
| 22:26.21 | FalTam | but the / is locked |
| 22:26.34 | Rienzilla | I don't know about acl, but it can be used to remount an fs ro or rw |
| 22:26.47 | FalTam | yes |
| 22:27.18 | FalTam | ok |
| 22:27.23 | FalTam | i will try it then |
| 22:27.31 | FalTam | hopefully it wont hang the system :D |
| 22:27.36 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm going with PEBCAK here ... |
| 22:27.42 | Malf | Heh. I typically go into single-user mode before I try to remount that kind of stuff assuming it would hang |
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| 22:27.46 | cusco | FalTam: remount / |
| 22:27.51 | abrotman | generalizes :) |
| 22:27.54 | cusco | FalTam: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 22:28.14 | KarlHeinrichMarx | How do I determine my OWA URL? |
| 22:28.23 | FalTam | okai |
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| 22:29.01 | _di | why debians python version is so low? |
| 22:29.01 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I think Microsoft Exchange support is broken as well in Evolution. |
| 22:29.45 | Malf | the exchange option, I think, only works with older versions of exchange |
| 22:29.54 | Malf | although that may have changed since the last time I looked at it (6 months ago) |
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| 22:30.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: I wouldn't go so far to label someone a troll just because they habitually troll a different linux-related channel on freenode, and their nickname had been registered just today. It might have been a different KarlMarx after all. |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | i didn't say troll .. just pebkac |
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| 22:30.42 | jelly-home | me neither! |
| 22:30.58 | KarlHeinrichMarx | pebcak* |
| 22:31.03 | KarlHeinrichMarx | pebcak. |
| 22:31.13 | jelly-home | same difference :-) |
| 22:31.18 | KarlHeinrichMarx | pebcac* |
| 22:31.19 | KarlHeinrichMarx | even. |
| 22:32.04 | themill | dpkg: tell _di about stable |
| 22:32.11 | tharkun | KarlHeinrichMarx: Exchange support is not broken it is Exchange the one that is broken. And for quite sometime now |
| 22:32.34 | FalTam | omfg |
| 22:32.36 | FalTam | this works |
| 22:32.38 | KarlHeinrichMarx | I will email Microsoft, and ask them to fix Exchange. |
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| 22:32.59 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Actually I will demand that Microsoft fixes Exchange. |
| 22:33.18 | themill | KarlHeinrichMarx: I know it's traditional for students to be at war with the world ... but the hate is coming over a little too strong on irc. Take a break from it and go for a stroll around Victoria Park or something. |
| 22:33.45 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Ok then. |
| 22:34.03 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Are you Australian, themill? |
| 22:34.19 | Rienzilla | FalTam: yes :) |
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| 22:35.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen does anyone know of a good substitute for Freenx? |
| 22:36.15 | abrotman | vnc? |
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| 22:36.46 | jelly-home | nx? |
| 22:36.50 | tharkun | abrotman: I also need crossplatform support and secure conections |
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| 22:37.01 | abrotman | rdp? |
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| 22:37.18 | tharkun | googles what rdp means |
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| 22:37.51 | yagoo | hey.. where's the oldconfig ? |
| 22:37.56 | tharkun | abrotman: opensource would be better |
| 22:38.04 | abrotman | vnc over ssh? :) |
| 22:38.34 | tharkun | Any ideas how to support that on Windows? |
| 22:38.36 | yagoo | use nx people.. |
| 22:38.45 | KarlHeinrichMarx | My only option to use Microsoft Exchange with Evolution is to use POP as every other method is broken (all Microsoft's fault and not Novell's fault). |
| 22:39.05 | KarlHeinrichMarx | Stupid Microsoft, worst company ever. |
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| 22:39.31 | doolph` | hi there |
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| 22:39.39 | doolph` | anyone here using proxmox? |
| 22:39.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:39.46 | abrotman | KarlHeinrichMarx: go complain somwhere else .. enough already |
| 22:40.13 | yagoo | abrotman, was he pm'ing spamming you? |
| 22:40.14 | yagoo | lol |
| 22:40.34 | yagoo | doolph`, what's that? like squid? |
| 22:41.11 | doolph` | no |
| 22:41.22 | doolph` | its like vmware |
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| 22:41.33 | doolph` | but better for linux |
| 22:41.39 | yagoo | abrotman, i'm out of date with kernel building.. would the oldconfig (kernel) happen to be available as a copy somewhere? |
| 22:41.50 | abrotman | yagoo: /boot/config* ? |
| 22:41.54 | yagoo | checked /proc/config.gz not avail.. |
| 22:41.55 | yagoo | oh.. |
| 22:41.57 | yagoo | lol |
| 22:41.59 | yagoo | thanks.. |
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| 22:47.27 | Rene | hi folks! |
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| 22:48.43 | Rene | is there any docs on how to do an upgrade from etch to lenny? It looks that there are so many upgrades in lenny. that i can't even update apt or aptitude to a more recent version... |
| 22:48.59 | abrotman | !tell Rene about etch->lenny |
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| 22:49.15 | Rene | abrotman, yes, i have read the upgrade-notes etc etc.. |
| 22:49.36 | Rene | it's just that i get soo many confligts etc, that basically the upgrade fails with not upgrading anything.. |
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| 22:56.13 | tharkun | abrotman: FWIW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software |
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| 23:01.49 | noir_lord | The network manage applet under gnome is saying "no network connection" despite me having a working ethernet connection (I'm on it now) not a big issue except evolution won't go online since it thinks I'm offline |
| 23:02.03 | noir_lord | anyone else run into this? (debian squeeze - fully updated) |
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| 23:06.50 | tharkun | noir_lord: yes ran into that as soon as i updated from lenny. I ditched network-manager |
| 23:07.22 | noir_lord | currently my thinking, it sucked under ubuntu and it sucks under debian, more automagic failure :| |
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| 23:09.09 | noir_lord | it must be because this box has two eth interfaces my other machines are all fine, it's a good job machines with *two* interfaces are rare </sarcasm> |
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| 23:14.50 | noir_lord | tharkun, good call, /etc/init.d/network-manager stop pretty much fixed it :|, damn I hate that program it is nothing but hassle |
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| 23:19.17 | poisonbit | noir_lord, what is hassle for ones, is not for others, and vicebersa. I hate when there are not alternatives. |
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| 23:21.32 | lolufail | hi! |
| 23:21.34 | noir_lord | poisonbit, I can see what you are saying but network-manager is bad, the issue I just ran into was filed as a bug in 2008 :| |
| 23:21.46 | lolufail | on a debian lenny, between 2 kvm lennys, any filetransfer is extremely slow, "cpu stuck for 61s" vith virtio, e1000 and rtl8139 are just super slow (10kb/s)... any ideas? |
| 23:22.29 | poisonbit | noir_lord, i'm about more than 10 years using the same lines/format in /etc/network/interfaces and try to avoid shapes like network-manager :) |
| 23:23.37 | noir_lord | poisonbit, I'm a refugee from slackware land so I can do the same if required which is nice if you can but it still sucks :) |
| 23:23.58 | poisonbit | noir_lord, if you don't connect to unknown networks, but has 2 or 3, you can use simply mappings (zmore /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for examples) |
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| 23:25.02 | ike | zless is zmore! |
| 23:25.08 | ike | (sorry - couldn't resist) |
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| 23:25.24 | noir_lord | poisonbit, thanks, I know you can do that and I have done that, my point was that nm fails in a simple use case, it's not user friendly and something like networking should be rock solid particulary when these issues crop up on every new release |
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| 23:26.59 | noir_lord | also the message "no network connection" from the network manager while you are currently using a network connection to google how to disable the network manager is ironic :) |
| 23:27.54 | poisonbit | noir_lord, whats DDs use to say is "if something bugs you, use the bug tracker" |
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| 23:28.07 | noir_lord | still that is the only issue I've had so far with debian squeeze which compared to 10.04 is a massive improvement, fully loving squeeze |
| 23:29.06 | noir_lord | having used it for a couple of weeks I'm still trying to figure out where ubuntu is adding value, debian squeeze feels like 10.04 except stable |
| 23:29.19 | poisonbit | ike, I was going to say that less is not in minimall install, but curiously: LANG=C aptitude show $(dpkg -S /bin/zless | cut -d':' -f1) | grep Prio # Priority: required |
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| 23:29.30 | emerson_ | hi everyone .. |
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| 23:30.10 | poisonbit | gzip suggest less |
| 23:30.15 | poisonbit | hi emerson_ |
| 23:30.34 | emerson_ | I'm using gnu pascal and I have a problem, which is: I can't compile and make the exe. |
| 23:30.58 | poisonbit | apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 23:31.20 | poisonbit | i've not used pascal in all my life, sorry, i shut up and continue what i was doing |
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| 23:31.53 | poisonbit | "the exe" ? |
| 23:32.11 | noir_lord | emerson_, out of curiosity why are you using GNU Pascal, I found free pascal to be vastly superior if you've not had a look it might be worth while |
| 23:32.18 | emerson_ | poisonbit: it's okay man don't worry ..thanks anyway ... |
| 23:32.24 | noir_lord | http://www.freepascal.org/ |
| 23:33.00 | tharkun | once used Borland pascal |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | yay turbo pascal .. |
| 23:33.32 | noir_lord | used Turbo Pascal then Delphi 3 through 6 and has used free pascal though not for a few years |
| 23:33.54 | emerson_ | noir_lord: I have it installed already... |
| 23:34.04 | emerson_ | noir_lord: so how do I installed it ? |
| 23:34.31 | noir_lord | emerson_, fair enough, if you get chance take a look at free pascal as a former pascal programmer it is *bar none* the best free pascal compiler (and works on a whole bunch of platforms and architectures pretty much seamlessly) |
| 23:34.58 | noir_lord | I think it is in the debian repo's as fpc |
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| 23:35.23 | noir_lord | yeah it is, sudo aptitude install fpc |
| 23:35.24 | emerson_ | noir_lord: if you're a former pascal programmer we hava a lot to talk ...actually I have a lot to learn from you...let's say.. |
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| 23:36.17 | emerson_ | noir_lord: I'm a freshman.....as you can see it .. |
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| 23:37.05 | noir_lord | emerson_, not really the place for it however free pascal has an irc channel on here (freenode) #fpc |
| 23:38.54 | emerson_ | poisonbit: sorry poisbit what did you say .. |
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| 23:40.04 | poisonbit | emerson_, I readed "I can't compile and make" and i thinked in the package "build-essentials" that provides "make", C compiler, etc, |
| 23:40.39 | poisonbit | emerson_, as said, I do not know pascal.... is it used by someone to solve daily production issues ? |
| 23:42.40 | poisonbit | emerson_, define "I can't compile and make the exe", are you about pascal syntax errors, or do you get other error messages ? |
| 23:42.53 | emerson_ | poisonbit:right I think you missunderstood me ..:) is alreay up and running the gpc but I can't used..the problem isn't the gpc...is me :) |
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| 23:44.12 | emerson_ | poisonbit: right I can't give you my pastbin ... and you can't see it ..I gonna stop to talk about this here otherwiser people is gonna get angy here ..because isn't the right place for that ... |
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| 23:48.06 | poisonbit | ok, lets talk about debian... why there are too many `basename $0` (/usr/bin/basename "a; $(ls)" ) instead of prog="${0##*/}" (?) |
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| 23:49.04 | poisonbit | what is the biggest point of entry of bugs in debian ? are there number about that ? |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | point of entry? |
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| 23:49.32 | poisonbit | maybe spanglish.... "origin" |
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| 23:50.24 | abrotman | yes .. elaborate |
| 23:50.27 | k-man | if i am using lvm, is it safe to rmove libdevmapper? |
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| 23:50.54 | emerson_ | poisonbit: perhaps who knows ...lol... |
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| 23:51.08 | poisonbit | abrotman, I mean something like... "upstream" N % of bugs, "mantainer scripts" N % of bugs |
| 23:51.32 | abrotman | poisonbit: i'm not aware of any stats on that |
| 23:51.43 | poisonbit | k-man, aptitude why libdevmapper |
| 23:52.29 | k-man | poisonbit: lvm2 depends on it |
| 23:52.46 | k-man | poisonbit: but that command is cool, i never knew you could do that |
| 23:52.46 | poisonbit | then you do not want to remove it |
| 23:52.50 | emerson_ | noir_lord: man the channel is dead...I mean the one that you told me ..nobody answer ... |
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| 23:53.27 | noir_lord | emerson_, it's a small team there often is no one in there (considering the size of the team what they do is pretty cool) |
| 23:53.52 | noir_lord | emerson_, http://www.freepascal.org/docs.var is pretty much all you need to get up and going |
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| 23:53.59 | k-man | poisonbit: yeah, i realised that, thanks :) |
| 23:54.26 | poisonbit | n.p. |
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| 23:56.55 | poisonbit | why debian does not have an internal shell library functions like gentoo ? |
| 23:57.04 | poisonbit | couldn't be nice for mantainer scripts ? |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | why does it need it ? |
| 23:58.24 | poisonbit | why don't ? |
| 23:58.35 | emerson_ | noir_lord: right but, can I install it straight from my terminal ...would me much easier .. |
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| 23:59.29 | mjmt | poisonbit: I think you'll find Gentoo needs that kind of thing because emerge scripts are sh. |