| 00:00.12 | poisonbit | mjmt, what are usually mantainer scripts but sh ? |
| 00:00.24 | poisonbit | more and more python, but you know |
| 00:01.04 | poisonbit | there is nothing in one line of shell that 6 linex of python can't do |
| 00:03.38 | kj4 | does the book 'debian system' still apply to the current testing/stable releases. The book is 5 years old |
| 00:03.44 | franki^ | I think the point is that it's possible to read 6 lines of Python. ;) |
| 00:03.52 | kj4 | i heard there was a newer version coming out, should I wait? |
| 00:05.15 | poisonbit | franki^, it's posible to _understand_ 6 lines of python, if (and only if) you know python, the same for one line of shell (where shell is something more than piping useless uses of) :) |
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| 00:07.38 | poisonbit | I think that a lib, following best practices and wikis in the #bash /topic, couldn't does any hurt to debian and to pythoners unqupting shell |
| 00:07.44 | poisonbit | imho |
| 00:08.16 | poisonbit | s/unqupting/underquoting/ |
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| 00:09.18 | poisonbit | lot ot 20 years ago shell code, that is in any default debian, does not follow currently known best practices |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | kj4: probably the general principles would still apply .. |
| 00:10.03 | themill | poisonbit: relying on python being installed and working for the maintainer scripts would be quite icky. Your assumption that there aren't libraries made use of in the maintainer scripts is quite wrong, however. |
| 00:10.29 | abrotman | themill: i think he meant having a central library |
| 00:11.01 | poisonbit | themill, maybe my ignorance about debian packaging, sure |
| 00:11.15 | poisonbit | if there are libs, I do not know them as user/sysadmin |
| 00:11.25 | themill | abrotman: there essentially is through debhelper and debconf for most of the stuff that could be abstracted sensibly. |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | themill: i'm aware of those .. i assume he meant you know .. othe rstuff :) |
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| 00:12.56 | jeeves_moss | is there a way to do fuzzy logic comparisions with imagmagick (or any other CLI program) of ~65Gb of pics to come up with dupes? |
| 00:13.02 | poisonbit | i've used debconf-set-selections to preseed options in packages |
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| 00:13.28 | poisonbit | but that does not change old "codign" practices like progname=`basename $0`in my os |
| 00:14.09 | poisonbit | jeeves_moss, define "logic comparisions" |
| 00:14.12 | themill | poisonbit: there's nothing wrong with that in a maintainer script or an init script. |
| 00:14.16 | mjmt | poisonbit: What do you think is wrong with that? |
| 00:14.25 | poisonbit | it can be done better |
| 00:15.11 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, I have a huge image database (picture gallary board), and I need to be able to sort through (not manually though), and find images that are the same. the only problem is that the images can/will be of diff sizes, file names, compression, etc. |
| 00:15.33 | poisonbit | and also, if there is something wrong in a future, with a lib it's easyer to fix all packages |
| 00:16.12 | amphi | jeeves_moss: the only thing I've done that with is gqview, which is not CLI |
| 00:16.20 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, ideally, I'd like to be able to do "levels" of comparision, so I can use my CPU cycles better. |
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| 00:16.59 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, and then sore the hashes in a MySQL database so when I'm importing new images, I can hash them and compare them to the database and not hammer @ the disks |
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| 00:17.13 | poisonbit | jeeves_moss, apt-cache search gives me: findimagedupes - Finds visually similar or duplicate images |
| 00:17.20 | poisonbit | i don't know if will serve to you |
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| 00:18.31 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, dosn't work well with HUGE image sets. it'll grind the disk, CPU, and RAM into the ground. hence why I asked if there was a way to multilevel hash images, then use a fuzzy logic compare with hashes from a databse (I've got an insanely fast DB server) |
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| 00:19.40 | poisonbit | I have photos dir most chaotic of all the channel, sorry, I'm not your man |
| 00:20.00 | poisonbit | with perl you can read exif, have more files open than filedescriptors available, etc... |
| 00:20.50 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, thanks. I'll figure it eventually. I can't be that hard. I just havn't found the right soulition yet |
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| 00:26.38 | poisonbit | jeeves_moss, I don't knwo how many ram can take the hashs of 65GB of +/- 3 or 5 MB .... files, but storing/consulting hashed data should fly with memcached |
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| 00:29.42 | jeeves_moss | poisonbit, memcached? how would that help? |
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| 00:30.03 | poisonbit | mysql needs too many tunning to go to serious numbers |
| 00:30.19 | poisonbit | with memcached you just need ram to get serious numbers |
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| 00:30.50 | poisonbit | or more "nodes" (apt-get install memcached, not fucking mysql NDB clusters, heartbeat fuckups, etc) |
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| 01:03.16 | andrewstephenson | FUCK YOU CAPITALIST FREEDOM HATING PIGS. DEBIAN ISN'T FREE AS IN FREEDOM. DEBIAN IS PROPRIETARY. DEBIAN IS SATAN! |
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| 01:12.50 | jeeves__ | how can I pipe the output of fdupes into a MV command to move all the duplicates it finds to a new directory, but to rename the files so I can easily just look through them and delete the dupe (ie file: 000001, dupe (renamed to) 000001-2) |
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| 01:25.15 | JairunCaloth | hrm... from first glance at fdupes, it looks like this would be a good thing to script |
| 01:25.34 | JairunCaloth | it looks like it seperates groups of dupes by a newline |
| 01:25.47 | JairunCaloth | so you'll have to look for that to let you know you're on a newline |
| 01:25.56 | JairunCaloth | or a new file rather |
| 01:26.22 | JairunCaloth | ignore the first one, and run mv on the rest of the group |
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| 01:27.36 | JairunCaloth | lol he left didn't he |
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| 01:27.43 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 01:28.00 | ZenWalker | when the new stable squeeze? |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 01:28.50 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
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| 01:30.46 | Dewi | !guess the release date |
| 01:30.46 | dpkg | somebody said guess the release date was a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 01:34.52 | ZenWalker | thanks abrotman and Dewi |
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| 01:39.26 | thepro4ever | how do i see an uninstall a plugin for iceweasel? |
| 01:39.49 | ryan-st | unplug it |
| 01:39.54 | ryan-st | pshaw |
| 01:40.02 | metalfoo | Tools -> Addons |
| 01:40.17 | metalfoo | (Unless you installed it through APT) |
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| 01:43.19 | ZenWalker | where can I see the bugs remaining on squeeze? |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | ZenWalker: the URL above |
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| 02:18.28 | ubuntu-user | http://paste.ubuntu.com/536505/ |
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| 02:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | On what? |
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| 02:19.33 | abrotman | ubuntu-user: go to #ubuntu, thank you |
| 02:20.20 | ubuntu-user | eh, sorry, and thanks |
| 02:20.26 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: His name isn't conclusive, he could be trying to switch, but the kernel is suspicious. |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: his kernel is |
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| 02:36.37 | ssj6akshat | how do I translate debian installer? |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | translate into what? |
| 02:37.08 | Dewi | ssj6akshat: you mean you wish to provide a translation? |
| 02:37.17 | Dewi | ssj6akshat: or you just want to switch languages |
| 02:37.41 | ssj6akshat | Dewi, I want to provide a translation |
| 02:38.28 | Dewi | ssj6akshat: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:38.38 | Dewi | ssj6akshat: there is a mailing list and IRC channel at the bottom of that page |
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| 02:39.03 | Dewi | I imagine somebody there would know |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | ssj6akshat: for what language ? |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ |
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| 02:43.34 | ssj6akshat | abrotman, I want to translate to Hindi |
| 02:43.43 | ssj6akshat | it is an Indic language |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | uhm .. i think that's already done |
| 02:45.42 | ssj6akshat | abrotman, it is 92% done |
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| 02:46.16 | abrotman | !i18n |
| 02:46.16 | dpkg | [i18n] an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ http://wiki.debian.org/I18n http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ #debian-i18n on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | !l10n |
| 02:46.23 | dpkg | somebody said l10n was an abbreviation for localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? http://wiki.debian.org/L10n http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-$language |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | you'd probably want the latter i guess |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | not very useful factoids .. oh well |
| 02:51.14 | tuv | modprobe kvm-intel errors out: Cannot allocate memory. what could cause this? |
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| 02:53.58 | yagoo | :( .. waited more than an hour for make-kpkg .. "grep: include/linux/compile.h: No such file or directory" .. vanilla kernel i'm trying is 2.6.36.1.. anyone know a simple way around this? i'm sure there is but not sure how.. currently looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8688831&postcount=1403 |
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| 02:56.55 | yagoo | i have /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/misc/versions_vars.mk << would editing this file overcome my error? |
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| 02:57.42 | yagoo | nm |
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| 03:00.38 | nsadmin | yagoo, look in the kernel source tree's README file for build requirements (evidently not all of them are present on your machine) |
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| 03:08.43 | yagoo | nsadmin, it doesn't appear to be a compiling issue.. it's related to make-kpkg.. |
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| 03:12.27 | nsadmin | perhaps... but are you sure you've satisfied the build requirements of the kernel? |
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| 03:14.23 | nsadmin | are you sure that grep is invoked from make-kpkg and not the kernel build system? |
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| 03:26.40 | tuv | modprobe kvm-intel errors out: Cannot allocate memory. what could cause this? |
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| 03:27.09 | nsadmin | umm... uhh... errm, hmm... |
| 03:27.36 | nsadmin | I forgot! I must have insufficient memory too! |
| 03:27.49 | tuv | (squeeze/testing) |
| 03:28.01 | tuv | 4GB |
| 03:28.21 | nsadmin | what's the uname -r? |
| 03:28.29 | tuv | 3500MB free |
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| 03:28.42 | tuv | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:29.56 | nsadmin | yeah, looks like plenty of ram |
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| 03:39.29 | keith2 | I just installed squeeze on my netbook and the console font is huge. where do I change the tty dimensions? |
| 03:42.33 | Dewi | keith2: the manual suggests looking at the 'kbd' and 'console-tools' packages |
| 03:43.37 | keith2 | Dewi: thanks! |
| 03:43.58 | Dewi | keith2: my system has /etc/console-tools/config on it |
| 03:44.11 | Dewi | keith2: which looks promising |
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| 03:44.50 | tuv | a reboot got kvm-intel loaded automatically. shame. no escaping those dreaded reboots |
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| 04:02.21 | keith2 | Dewi: turns out you just edit /etc/default/console-setup |
| 04:02.49 | keith2 | Dewi: I wonder if there are other fonts/sizes I can install |
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| 04:36.46 | shanepardue | What's the easiest way to sync a Wordpress site to another server? I've already got Heartbeat working for high availability |
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| 04:47.06 | Rusty1 | shanepardue: google: "moving wordpress site to new server" brings up alot and of course there is a #wordpress channel |
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| 04:49.15 | shanepardue | Rusty1: Cool, thanks for the nudge |
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| 04:51.40 | Magui | any imagemagic users here? I'm having trouble using the -annotate option with the 'mogrify' command, although it seems to work fine with 'convert'. has anybody here been able to get annotate to work under the 'mogrify' command? |
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| 05:04.15 | huasen | I have a problem, that, i installed my debian on a single partition and mount another partition in fstat latter, but, the problem is, i can't run any apps on the new partition |
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| 05:14.16 | huasen | *fstat -> fstab |
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| 05:15.07 | un214 | what did you do, mount noexec? |
| 05:15.18 | un214 | or maybe the depends are so different the apps don't even load |
| 05:15.23 | un214 | ldd can check for the second |
| 05:16.03 | zenwryly | I use some apt sources/repos whose Release file has an Origin with spaces in it but the unattended-upgrade script doesn't support origins with spaces in it. Which is wrong? Is there a specification that defines the Release file formate somewhere? My googling isn't leading me to it. |
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| 05:18.28 | zenwryly | I just want to know whether to tell the repo maintainers to fix their origins or contribute a patch to unattended-upgrade. |
| 05:19.07 | huasen | bash: ./configure: Permission denied |
| 05:19.24 | huasen | -rwxr-xr-x 1 huasen huasen 1528196 Jul 18 21:39 configure |
| 05:21.10 | huasen | in fstab: /dev/sda7/home/huasen/Dataext4 rw,user 0 0 |
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| 05:30.36 | un214 | hmmm |
| 05:30.44 | un214 | please post head -n 1 ./configure |
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| 05:34.19 | huasen | un214, thanks for your reply. i think i got the result, because i mount the partition without exec option. |
| 05:34.30 | un214 | ah |
| 05:34.36 | un214 | that would do it yes |
| 05:35.40 | huasen | all due to myself, a newbie of linux |
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| 07:39.29 | RenatoSilva | I want to inform that I have sent a link to a patch to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604763 almost two days ago but the comments is not there yet |
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| 07:44.06 | dondelelcaro | RenatoSilva: then try resending, and if it doesn't come through within 30 minutes, send owner@ the message-id and any logs that you have |
| 07:46.48 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to figure out where the shutdown signal came from? I am looking in the logs and it just says "shutdown[11967]: shutting down for system halt" (/var/log/messages) |
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| 07:50.41 | Magui | hello, different question which is now debian-related. I'm trying to upload a bunch of files to a website. the website has a "Browse" link, which brings up Iceweasel's file-browsing dialog window. but in this windows, I can only select one file at a time. how do I select a whole range of files in a directory? |
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| 07:51.37 | Gokee2 | Magui, AFAIK You have to upload files one at a time in that situation |
| 07:52.11 | Magui | Gokee2: rats! |
| 07:52.30 | Magui | well...maybe I can try konqueror. |
| 07:53.02 | Gokee2 | Magui, Will the server accept more then one file? |
| 07:53.14 | Magui | I'm just trying to upload image files to a photo-sharing site. I thought there would be an easy way to select a whole bunch of them. |
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| 07:54.27 | Magui | Gokee2: well...it's picasa's website. it looks like they can accept up to 4 files at one time. but there are work-arounds for that, so that's OK. the problem still is, in iceweasel, I can't select multiple files. |
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| 07:55.25 | Gokee2 | Magui, Hmm, not sure then. I don't really do much uploading. I had assumed the server was asking for one file, but could very well be wrong |
| 07:56.30 | Magui | Gokee2: well, I'll explain...they have 4 blank text-boxes where you can enter the locations of your image files, with one link at the bottom that says "Upload photos", or something like that. |
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| 07:57.17 | Magui | Gokee2: so, you're kinda right...only one file can be entered each time, except that they have space for 4 separate entries. |
| 07:57.44 | Magui | Gokee2: and it doesn't accept wild-cards in the file-location. I already tried:). |
| 07:57.45 | Gokee2 | Magui, Hmm, and iceweasel will not open a browse on each of them? |
| 07:58.00 | Gokee2 | It sounds rather painful... |
| 07:58.11 | Gokee2 | It won't take a tar or anything I assume? |
| 07:58.30 | Magui | Gokee2: it will. the thing is, I probably have 60 or 70 images to send. iceweasel will not allow me to select multiple files, and list them each separately. |
| 07:58.57 | Magui | Gokee2: a tar? I dunno...I'm not sure the picasa website is set up to extract from tar files. |
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| 07:59.22 | Magui | Gokee2: might be an undocumented feature, I guess, hehe...but I would kinda doubt it. |
| 07:59.54 | Gokee2 | Magui, Perhaps you need to try something like http://picasa.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=187407 |
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| 08:01.30 | Magui | Gokee2: does that require you to install picasa? I was kinda hoping to avoid that. |
| 08:01.38 | tgywa | Can any one give me a site with the list of Debain releases? |
| 08:01.58 | Gokee2 | tgywa, http://www.debian.org/releases/ ? |
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| 08:03.00 | Gokee2 | Magui, It looks like it does. I am headed to bed, I have never dealt with picasa myself. Good luck :) |
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| 08:03.26 | RicKyRocK | someone know why I dont receive any mail with my website ? I look in the error log and i see this qmail-inject: fatal: qmail-dk: Cannot sign message due to invalid message syntax. (#5.3.0), referer: http://www.mysite.com/beta2/newadmin/email.php?p=send someone know what it can be the problem ? |
| 08:03.45 | Magui | Gokee2: OK. well, I don't have a problem with picasa. I just thought I could use iceweasel to select multiple files at once, in its file-browser dialog. |
| 08:03.59 | Magui | Gokee2: I'll keep poking at it. good night. |
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| 08:08.02 | Gokee2 | Magui, Hmmm. I really do need to head to bed, but does this http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/02/upload-multiple-photos-to-picasa-web.html describe your problem? |
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| 08:11.27 | RenatoSilva | dondelelcaro: ok sent to 604763@bugs.debian.org |
| 08:11.39 | Magui | Gokee2: yeah! the work-around there is to upload a bunch of files to google buzz, and they should show up in picasa. but the thing is, when i tried buzz, I still have to use iceweasel's file-selection dialog to select the images to upload, because iceweasel is my browser. and iceweasel still only allows you to choose one file at a time. |
| 08:12.02 | Magui | Gokee2: you see what I mean? I have bigger problems with iceweasel, than with picasa. |
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| 08:39.10 | Argafal | Tried asking that yesterday, let's see, may be I'm more lucky today... If I install Debian onto a solid state drive, LVM in cryptdisk (via debian installer), is there anything I have to do differently, like filesystem options? There is a number pages with different ideas, so I'm a bit confused. |
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| 08:41.19 | cafuego | Argafal: I don't know about encrypted disks, but you'll want to handle partitioning and formatting diofferently on an SSD. |
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| 08:41.52 | Argafal | cafuego: Differently in what way? |
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| 08:42.22 | cafuego | Argafal: let me google that for you :-) |
| 08:43.15 | cafuego | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ |
| 08:43.42 | cafuego | Argafal: That explains the why and how - and it works for me™ |
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| 08:43.57 | cafuego | Now I need moar beer and my laptop is out of juice |
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| 08:45.36 | Argafal | cafuego: thanks. the problem with google is not finding something, it is finding the good ones amongst the many ssd pages.... |
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| 08:58.21 | RicKyRocK | On my VPS i have 3 website how i can forward all mail to my gmail account ? example admin@site1.com and admin@site2.com forward to myaaaccount@gmail.com ? |
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| 09:05.55 | sep | RicKyRocK, depends on what mta you have and how you configure it, but it often involves editing your aliases entries |
| 09:05.58 | RicKyRocK | On my VPS i have 3 website how i can forward all mail to my gmail account ? example admin@site1.com and admin@site2.com forward to myaaaccount@gmail.com ? |
| 09:06.23 | RicKyRocK | i only apt-get intall exim |
| 09:06.24 | RicKyRocK | that it |
| 09:08.04 | joltcan | RicKyRocK: create an alias in /etc/alias, like this: "admin: myaaaccount@gmail.com" |
| 09:08.07 | sep | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. configure it as you want it. then you add a alias for admin pointing to myaaaccount@gmail.com in /etc/aliases and run newaliases |
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| 09:09.05 | joltcan | sep: newaliases doesn't do anything for exim, it's only for sendmail compability |
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| 09:09.37 | sep | joltcan, does not hurt tho :P |
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| 09:12.03 | RicKyRocK | sep i have 3 website. and i have more then 50 mail from my 3 website |
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| 09:12.15 | RicKyRocK | i want all the 50 forward to the same gmail account |
| 09:12.20 | RicKyRocK | then |
| 09:12.25 | RicKyRocK | do i have to do 1 by 1 ? |
| 09:12.25 | sep | make aliases for all of them |
| 09:13.02 | RicKyRocK | to make new locam mail to forward what is the command |
| 09:13.04 | sep | in a default config. all the domains point to your local machine. so admin@site2 = admin@site1 so you only need to make aliases for the part in front of the @ |
| 09:13.06 | RicKyRocK | local |
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| 09:14.34 | sep | both new local generated mail. and recived mail from the internet will be forwarded acording to aliases |
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| 09:25.24 | alkisg | Hi, I want to share a scanner to the local network from a PC with squeeze. While searching for instructions, I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo which mentions that for Ubuntu 10.04 inetd.conf is needed, while for Ubuntu 10.10 it is not needed. |
| 09:25.24 | alkisg | Is there a similar page with instructions for Debian? Is inetd.conf needed for squeeze? If it is, can I upgrade the saned-utils packages so that it inetd.conf isn't needed? |
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| 09:28.45 | alkisg | Squeeze has sane-utils 1.0.21-5, maverick has sane-utils 1.0.21-2ubuntu2. So I suppose it should work without inetd. But it doesn't. Any help? |
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| 09:43.15 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i just installed a packages using "dpkg -i --force-architecture pkgname.deb" ... but this package doesn't show up in "aptitude search" |
| 09:43.43 | greenmang0 | and i want to uninstall it |
| 09:45.08 | homie | did you do an apt-et update or aptitude update ? |
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| 09:48.15 | peterrooney | greenmang0: IIRC, dpkg -P <pkgname> |
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| 09:48.25 | Testa | hi all |
| 09:48.45 | Testa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.32 | greenmang0 | peterrooney: thanks! worked! |
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| 09:51.35 | mkad | Hi |
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| 09:52.33 | homie | it is not ? |
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| 09:52.55 | homie | sysvinit |
| 09:53.01 | Pinchiukas | Should I avoid using a single partition for / ? |
| 09:53.07 | Grega | Hi! I would like to setup WiFi (ra2860sta) on lenny. I'm fallowing http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta , It says I have to install linux-image, firmware and some tools using aptitude.. But, well, you can't do that without internet access :) Is there a way to download those packages and all their dependencies and burn them on cd? |
| 09:53.19 | homie | Pinchiukas: that depends totally on your needs |
| 09:53.50 | Pinchiukas | Which needs? |
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| 09:55.20 | homie | Pinchiukas: like if you will move partitions or data around later.... |
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| 09:55.52 | Grega | I do know about packages.debian.org, but its a never-ending list of dependencies, do I really need to download one by one? |
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| 09:56.06 | homie | Pinchiukas: it's normally not required to partition, one partition suffices normally and is the default for non-experienced ones |
| 09:56.49 | Pinchiukas | Well I'm setting up a webserver. Where could I get benefits from multiple partitions? |
| 09:56.57 | homie | Pinchiukas: however, say you have two disks, and would want to use the second one as say for something specific like /usr or /var or /home, then you can do that too |
| 09:57.17 | Pinchiukas | I have a single disk. |
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| 09:58.10 | homie | Pinchiukas: security wise it could be matter, but otherwise it's even better its on one disk, since you won't have issues with disks of different speeds and such |
| 09:58.30 | homie | -be |
| 09:59.19 | homie | Pinchiukas: otherwise it's totally unrelevant where you put your server files, it will be mostly /srv or so, it does not have to be on a different disk |
| 09:59.31 | rdw200169 | I have a rather silly question: I am trying to package a precompiled binary for multiple architectures. I have a working package; but, to build it for multiple architectures using dpkg-deb, i have to manage separate control files! is there a better/easier way to do this? |
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| 09:59.47 | homie | or partiton, just have proper security settings and |
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| 10:00.10 | homie | maybe a jail around that |
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| 10:01.15 | homie | Pinchiukas: for server things you do conentrate more on proper secure server config's and such |
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| 10:02.56 | Pinchiukas | I'm thinking about using LVM for the server to make snapshot backups of the filesystem. |
| 10:03.10 | Pinchiukas | Any suggestions on documentation? :) |
| 10:03.59 | Hohi | when I have a 'interfaces="ipsec0=eth1 ipsec2=eth1:2"' I get an 'Cannot find device "ipsec2"' error. |
| 10:04.06 | Hohi | If I change ipsec2 to ipsec1 everything works fine |
| 10:04.14 | Hohi | Where is the knob to configure the amount of ipsec-Devices? |
| 10:04.58 | iaj | lo there. |
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| 10:06.27 | iaj | I got a question - even tho this might be kind of off but I don't quite know on where else to ask.. I need to upgrade the system memory of a machine - so I opened up the machine and tried to find out, which motherboards inside.. but I only know its coming from dell - there are 6 DIMM slots, with the first 2 of them used with 1GB 400Mhz 2.5ns DDR modules (according to lshw) - anyone know what a safe way of upgrading would be ? and its maximum? |
| 10:07.58 | jelly | iaj: find out the model number (lshw, dmidecode), then look up its specs and/or manual on Dell's site |
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| 10:09.05 | Testa | i have a indesting squezeee problem |
| 10:09.40 | ggggbabybabybaby | Pinchiukas: You can make snapshots with LVM? I thought that was to enable flexibility in filesystem layout. |
| 10:10.00 | ggggbabybabybaby | iaj, there are a lot of smart people in #hardware (or maybe ##hardware) |
| 10:10.23 | iaj | jelly: thanks so far - modelnumber of what? |
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| 10:11.19 | potoew | Hello, using lshw I see this UNCLAIMED on serial Smbus, product: 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller what I need to install to get correct driver? |
| 10:11.30 | jelly | iaj: the machine itself |
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| 10:11.57 | Alver | Hello. If I add ipv6 details to my eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, I can no longer properly stop (and thus restart) /etc/init.d/networking; eth0 will stay up until I manually put it down using ifconfig. |
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| 10:12.39 | jelly | iaj: it's right at the beginning of lshw output for me |
| 10:13.21 | iaj | jelly: hmm.. i guess it was a custom =built-together= machine. |
| 10:13.44 | homie | potoew: you need a usb driver but don't know which one exactly, what device is connected there ? a scanner ? |
| 10:14.03 | homie | potoew: a printer ? |
| 10:14.08 | Pinchiukas | ggggbabybabybaby: huh? |
| 10:14.22 | homie | potoew: or a usb video device ? |
| 10:14.53 | potoew | looks like a usual device, but I had not connected anything now. |
| 10:14.56 | potoew | thanks, I will see |
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| 10:15.50 | homie | so either you need a usbcamera,scanner,printer or such driver |
| 10:16.02 | Testa | apt-get autoremove always removes the my fonts |
| 10:16.06 | homie | normally not printer i think |
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| 10:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Testa about unmarkauto |
| 10:20.30 | homie | !tell /me about unmarkauto |
| 10:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell homie about selftell |
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| 10:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Testa, keep it here, please |
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| 10:26.56 | Testa | thanks for the tongue-lashing but every days after ... |
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| 10:27.56 | cmyers | I have an EC2 node which is all F'd up due to startup scripts having circular dependencies so the initscripts package cant' be configured. what is the magic to make it ignore that error and install other packages? It's just an ec2 node I'm gonna throw away soon, but I need to install debootstrap, for example, to get something done. |
| 10:28.02 | Testa | does not bother me |
| 10:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | lashing! I even said "please"! Cause it's the day after Thanksgiving and everything |
| 10:28.11 | cmyers | (running squeeze, seemed to get messed up when I did a dist-upgrade) |
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| 10:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the error you get? |
| 10:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Testa, and I don't understand what you say |
| 10:30.19 | cmyers | dpkg: error processing initscripts (--configure): |
| 10:30.19 | dpkg | cmyers: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 10:30.34 | cmyers | yeh, it's long, guess I gotta pastebin =/ |
| 10:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like postinst/postrm |
| 10:31.30 | cmyers | postinst, yeh. |
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| 10:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but can't hurt to paste it before I tell you about it |
| 10:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastebin it* |
| 10:31.53 | ethanol | mornin' irc people |
| 10:32.27 | cmyers | http://pastebin.com/Vxcc9Jhg |
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| 10:32.56 | cmyers | isn't all of it, but most of it. the AMI has a bunch of weird ec2-* init scripts, looks like, which are screwing up the dependencies for the dep-based init script stuff. |
| 10:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you got that on apt-get remove insserv? |
| 10:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and are your init.d softlinks all messed up now due to this or not yet? |
| 10:34.52 | cmyers | I get that on apt-get install now, it is blocking me doing anything |
| 10:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell cmyers about postrm |
| 10:35.07 | cmyers | it first happened when I tried to dist-upgrade from squeeze to newer squeeze |
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| 10:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | the way to deal with it is to fix the script... there are by design no force options... |
| 10:35.51 | cmyers | CutMeOwnThroat: ls /etc/init.d/ shows files, no symlinks. is that what you mean? |
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| 10:35.53 | Testa | CutMeOwnThroat 10 minut i show in a video |
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| 10:36.08 | zealiod | how can i adpat this apache rule so that rewrites are not done where an alias exists, rather than a file... |
| 10:36.09 | zealiod | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f [NC] |
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| 10:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | the one here in the error is not a postrm, but postinst, though... but goes for the same path... |
| 10:36.54 | cmyers | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks - I'll try bypassing the file to unblock myself. |
| 10:37.08 | alkisg | Is there a "how to" for sharing a scanner to the local network with Squeeze? The Ubuntu instructions I found don't work... |
| 10:37.44 | Testa | or txt |
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| 10:38.23 | cmyers | CutMeOwnThroat: bam, that did hte trick. my init scripts are prolly F'd on the box, but I don't plan to care pretty soon =) |
| 10:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just null it or put exit(0) in the first line.... of course that means that it's not doing its stuff which can be cause more problems... cmyers - probably you want to look on the error you get when you try to remove it.. and do that with the postrm |
| 10:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't keep the package around if it can't deal with current dependencies |
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| 10:39.45 | iglu | i'm thinking of putting in an ita for the orphaned pekwm-themes package. the themes were originally packaged from adrinux.wordpress.com, which no longer exists. would i be able to include new themes in addition to those already in the sources? |
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| 10:42.00 | alkisg | Ah. There's probably some problem with the default device/group permissions for network scanning in Squeeze, because when I ran saned as root (instead of the default saned user), it worked fine. |
| 10:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | iglu, I don't think you're supposed to mix stuff from different projects in one package |
| 10:42.31 | alkisg | "io/hpmud/musb.c 137: unable get_string_descriptor -1: Operation not permitted" etc etc in daemon.log |
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| 10:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you started saned with your user? |
| 10:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read /usr/share/doc/sane-utils/README.Debian? |
| 10:45.02 | alkisg | CutMeOwnThroat: I started saned with "invoke-rc.d saned start" |
| 10:45.12 | alkisg | No, I read the man page, reading the README now... |
| 10:46.42 | alkisg | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. /me notes down to read the README files and not only the man pages in the future :) |
| 10:46.42 | alkisg | "By default the saned user is NOT part of the scanner group. If you add the saned user to the scanner group, ALL scanners will be made available over the network without restrictions." |
| 10:47.03 | iglu | it's just there's no upstream, and the package description is nothing specific to adrinux.wordpress.com |
| 10:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Testa, just pastebin stuff for everyone... I did it this time http://pastebin.com/Epu8THd0 - and the solution is pretty clear from the factoid... you run aptitude unmarkauto sun-java6-fonts |
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| 10:50.02 | iglu | and is only orphaned because the previous maintainer has left debian |
| 10:50.05 | alkisg | So in the end the proper thing to do for setting up a network scanner on Debian is just: `dpkg-reconfigure sane-utils` :) |
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| 10:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | alkisg, they're for different things... the README.Debian often contains debian-specific stuff about setting things up or problems that occur in combination with other packages - always a good idea to give it a good glance when a package doesn't automatically work as one thoughht it would |
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| 10:51.08 | Testa | http://airndsoft.com/its.txt |
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| 10:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already answered you! |
| 10:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I already looked at it! |
| 10:52.04 | SingAlong | how do i access a usb drive via commandline? (I installed debian via the net install) |
| 10:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the other way around... looked at it, then answered you |
| 10:53.05 | Testa | thnx |
| 10:53.07 | SingAlong | anyone? |
| 10:53.10 | Testa | its work |
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| 10:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | SingAlong, if you install "usbmount" it'll automatically mount it for you if it has a filesystem on it which it is configured to |
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| 10:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | SingAlong, I can't even type a long answer within 1 minute! A little bit more patience wouldn't be bad |
| 10:54.09 | SingAlong | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry! |
| 10:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, acctually I type fast, but I think slow |
| 10:54.33 | SingAlong | how do i access the drive after i have usbmount? |
| 10:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | just cd into it... usbmount mounts stuff under /media/usb* |
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| 10:55.13 | JKL_ | i woul like to setup service where user takes ssh connection as user gw. then ssh server should be able to authenticate user against 2. username and some password. after authentication connection should close just after when some command is exceuted with given 2nd username. any ideas? |
| 10:55.22 | crashev | hello, how to make cron start during bootup / how to manage services in debian ? |
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| 10:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can always mount it yourself... look at the output of "dmesg" after you plug it in on what device it is, then (as root) mount /dev/sdaX /some/place |
| 10:56.17 | SingAlong | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you! |
| 10:56.49 | JKL_ | crashev: /etc/rc?.d |
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| 10:57.59 | mu3en | anybody know anything about autohiding in KDE4 system tray (squeeze) not persisting across application restarts? |
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| 10:58.38 | eshat | HI all |
| 10:58.49 | mu3en | ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc is being overwritten i guess. |
| 10:58.49 | apt | mu3en: that's too long |
| 10:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashev, look at man update-rc.d, or you can install the redhat tools etc. |
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| 10:59.00 | eshat | I cannot start pdebuild on a package source if there is a .git directory in it, any way to ignore that ? |
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| 10:59.52 | mu3en | apt: too long? |
| 10:59.52 | apt | no, you're too long |
| 11:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 11:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mu3en, it's a bot |
| 11:01.09 | mu3en | i imagined it might be. but why would it say that? |
| 11:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | because ~ |
| 11:01.28 | crashev | CutMeOwnThroat: thx, I think I got it, update-rc.d is what I was looking for |
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| 11:03.07 | mu3en | anyway. i imagine it's a distro thing not a kde4.4 thing. any ideas? |
| 11:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I wouldn't touch kde with a 10-step dependency |
| 11:06.26 | StucKman | I have a daemon that has to be launched at boot time. I have a init.d script for that, but now I have to change it slightly. this daemon might finish with an error code of 5, which means that we need to re run it. so I made a script that handles that, but now the init.d script doesn't work properly. I use start-stop-daemon, and because of this intermediate script, it doesn't corretly detect when the daemon has started properly. I tried playing with ... |
| 11:06.32 | StucKman | ... the --exec and --startas parameters, but no cigar. here's the intermediate script: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/6355 and here's the function in the init.d script that starts the daemon: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/6356 . DAEMON points to that intermediate scriot. now, how can I make start-stop-daemon detect correctly the runnig daemon? or should I get rid of it? |
| 11:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there's a #debian-kde ... on irc.debian.net, I think |
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| 11:07.28 | StucKman | mu3en: what is it? I missed the question... |
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| 11:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | why doesn't your init script itself just not try to restart one more time when starting with start-stop-daemon fails. |
| 11:08.57 | mu3en | kde 4.4 squeeze systray hidden status not persistent. |
| 11:09.12 | StucKman | CutMeOwnThroat: because it can take some time for the daemon to return with errcode 5 |
| 11:09.21 | StucKman | so I can't wait ini the init.d script for that |
| 11:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mu3en, did you check the bts, btw? |
| 11:09.38 | eshat | mu3en: you can try asking in #debian-kde on irc.debian.net |
| 11:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 11:09.48 | StucKman | mu3en: you mean, that you hide the systray, but then it reapperas? |
| 11:09.59 | StucKman | reappears* |
| 11:10.45 | mu3en | no, i mean i hide the vlc icon, then quit vlc and when i start it again the icon is not hidden. same with other apps that are not per-se system tray 'native'. |
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| 11:11.10 | StucKman | I see |
| 11:11.27 | StucKman | yeah, then you better check the bts and kde's bugzilla |
| 11:11.43 | StucKman | check in the plasma component |
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| 11:13.08 | mu3en | right, good path, will do. thanks! |
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| 11:23.56 | Hohi | how do I create an ipsec2 interface? |
| 11:24.19 | Testa | Hohi pptp? |
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| 11:25.50 | Hohi | I am fighting openswan ... ipsec0 and ipsec1 exist ... but where do I create ipsec2? pptp is a different cup of tea (I think) |
| 11:26.10 | Testa | ohh openswan |
| 11:27.01 | Hohi | any idea what to google for? |
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| 11:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
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| 11:31.26 | Hohi | Testa: If it helps ... in etch I had ipsec0 to ipsec3 ... |
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| 11:43.51 | Testa | Hohi im sorry i tired |
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| 11:45.39 | Hohi | oh sorry ... just noticed your time zone |
| 11:47.15 | Hohi | meh ... noon? |
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| 11:51.10 | Testa | I did not sleep at night |
| 11:51.29 | Hohi | ;-) |
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| 11:53.39 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:53.55 | AlexC_ | is it possible to see why 'avahi' is installed? As in, is it a dependency to something |
| 11:54.01 | Testa | openswan overview of t. I've never used it. Openvpn really liked me. |
| 11:55.39 | Testa | or i like openvpn ???? |
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| 11:59.18 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/jxR6SUCy - what the hell?! |
| 11:59.51 | jelly | Pinchiukas: is there a /bin/bash in your chroot? |
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| 12:00.25 | jelly | Pinchiukas: in other words, is there a /debianinst/bin/bash |
| 12:00.35 | Pinchiukas | No, seems not. |
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| 12:01.05 | Pinchiukas | I thought the command is being run from outside of the chroot? |
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| 12:01.30 | Hohi | openvpn has its limits ... we have to use both .. |
| 12:01.33 | Hohi | :-/ |
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| 12:03.51 | Kenzor | i'm trying to package otrs version 3 into a .deb, using dh_make, but it seems to be a tool for packaging source files that need to be compiled |
| 12:04.06 | Kenzor | otrs is just a bunch of perl scripts that need to be moved to the webroot |
| 12:04.21 | Kenzor | can anyone recommend a better tool for the job? or a tutorial or something |
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| 12:05.40 | Bushmills | AlexC_: aptitude why libavahi-common3 or whatever avahi package you want to inquire about |
| 12:05.45 | Pinchiukas | jelly: so what is my problem? :) |
| 12:07.30 | AlexC_ | Bushmills: thanks |
| 12:11.11 | jelly | Pinchiukas: you just said you didn't have bin/bash in the chroot? |
| 12:11.36 | jelly | this would hamper your ability to run it |
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| 12:12.14 | Pinchiukas | Debootstrap doesn't seem to give any errors. :/ |
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| 12:14.28 | Pinchiukas | Ok great: line 569: choose_extractor: command not found |
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| 12:14.46 | Pinchiukas | This is probably why debootstrap fails and doesn't install. |
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| 12:19.09 | Pinchiukas | What the hell is wrong with it? |
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| 12:22.10 | Bushmills | should be provided by /usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
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| 12:42.52 | carandraug | hi! Iceweasel sometimes freezes for some 10-15 sec taking over >90% of CPU usage. Everything else keeps working just fine. I haven't lost any work, iceweasel then returns to normal but it's a still a bother. Anyone knows where I should start looking to track the cause of the problem? I already looked into Iceweasel errors console but found nothing |
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| 12:52.10 | Grega | Hi! I would like to setup WiFi (ra2860sta) on lenny. I'm fallowing http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta , It says I have to install linux-image, firmware and some tools using aptitude.. But, well, you can't do that without internet access :) Is there a way to download those packages and all their dependencies and burn them on cd? |
| 12:52.17 | Grega | I do know about packages.debian.org, but its a never-ending list of dependencies, do I really need to download one by one? |
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| 12:54.44 | xyan | Grega: there was something like --print-uris for apt which might be a bit more helpful than diggin through p.d.o |
| 12:55.11 | xyan | Grega: other than that theres nothing much that depends on the kernel, just dig linux-image linux-base and your firmware package |
| 12:56.43 | amee2k | hmmm anyone from russia here by chance? |
| 12:57.15 | Bushmills | i'd think that people from russia are here on purpose, not by chance |
| 12:57.26 | amee2k | hehe |
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| 12:58.04 | amee2k | i know this is somewhat off topic, and maybe sounds ridiculous too, but i'm trying to confirm something |
| 12:58.09 | ggggbabybabybaby | amee2k: no its not illegal |
| 12:58.15 | amee2k | is nutmeg illegal in russia?! |
| 12:58.29 | amee2k | ggggbabybabybaby: i heard you the first time in ##electronics allready ;) |
| 12:58.39 | Bushmills | one million monkey given infinite amount of time, hitting random keys on keyboard - eventually one ends up on #debian |
| 12:58.52 | ggggbabybabybaby | also I tried asking here about pizza yesterday instead of ##socialite(where you talked about it, not ##electronics), because there wasn't any place open for pizza on thanksgiving, and abrotman got mad at me :( |
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| 12:59.31 | amee2k | ggggbabybabybaby: thats what he usually does |
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| 12:59.44 | amee2k | its also why i put him and the bot on ignore |
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| 12:59.49 | ggggbabybabybaby | amee2k: I mean, you probably posted in ##electronics too, because russians are more into building hardware things(SCUD missles and oil pipelines instead of compilers), but that's where i read your posting |
| 12:59.56 | amee2k | and last time i actually had an on-topic question |
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| 13:00.55 | amee2k | so... any other russians here too? |
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| 13:10.50 | jelly | !ru |
| 13:10.50 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 13:10.58 | jelly | try that channel, amee2k. |
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| 13:14.44 | amee2k | jelly: ooh, cool. is asking in english acceptable there? i don't speak russian myself |
| 13:15.13 | jelly | I truly have no idea. |
| 13:15.19 | amee2k | hehe |
| 13:15.22 | ggggbabybabybaby | amee2k: go for it |
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| 13:18.38 | homie | when i remove amd64 libs from my debian, (i got them by accident i think), and want to rebuild fglrx, do i have to ldconfig and reboot into the new kernel before rebuilding the modules ? |
| 13:19.20 | homie | or will the non-amd lib64 take effect immediately ? |
| 13:19.32 | homie | at least when rebuilding |
| 13:19.39 | petern_ | non-amd lib64? |
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| 13:19.52 | petern_ | wonders how you get amd64 libs by accident :o |
| 13:20.19 | homie | i had lib64 in /usr then upgrading to testing got me the amd version somehow |
| 13:20.36 | homie | there's a amd64 version of libc6 |
| 13:22.21 | ggggbabybabybaby | can I just 'mv /usr/* /' |
| 13:22.25 | ggggbabybabybaby | then symlink /usr to / |
| 13:22.35 | ggggbabybabybaby | because why have /usr/sbin when i have /sbin, etc etc |
| 13:22.59 | petern_ | homie, so you have a 32bit install, and it installed libc6-amd64? |
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| 13:24.03 | homie | yes, cause i got the multilib gcc i think |
| 13:24.46 | homie | nah, nevermind, i'll see.... |
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| 13:25.56 | petern_ | are you on a 32bit system? |
| 13:26.00 | homie | jep |
| 13:26.41 | petern_ | interesting |
| 13:26.52 | homie | it's just the module not willing to work, i purged all stuff relating to fglrx, then reinstalled |
| 13:26.57 | petern_ | must say i've never tried libc6-amd64 on a 32bit system... heh |
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| 13:27.35 | homie | my system has actually 64bit support, at least partially |
| 13:27.41 | smellydog | hi all, I can not print on HP LaserJet 6L, I using "HP LaserJet 6L Foomatic/ljet4 (recommended) (en)", but printer has no action, the indicator lamp on printer does not even blink |
| 13:27.49 | petern_ | oh |
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| 13:28.03 | petern_ | you said it was a 32bit system, heh |
| 13:28.07 | homie | it is the gpu which does use 64bit semantics i think |
| 13:28.14 | petern_ | what's the cpu? |
| 13:28.19 | homie | and there is an interface to it from 32 to 64 somewhere in the system |
| 13:28.27 | smellydog | squeeze/sid |
| 13:28.52 | homie | jep it is 32bit system cpu wise |
| 13:29.09 | abrotman | homie: dpkg-architecture .. what is the first line? |
| 13:29.35 | homie | i386 |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | and your 'uname -r' ? |
| 13:30.31 | homie | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:33.02 | abrotman | so why do you have 64bit libraries at all? |
| 13:33.45 | homie | i purged them i told, it was pulled in with gcc-multilib |
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| 13:43.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hello, if I want to install the latest nvidia drivers on debian squeeze, should I remove certain nvidia packets before doing so? |
| 13:45.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess that DKMS could mess up things on kernel updates, so should I just remove the nvidia module with that DKMS thing? |
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| 14:03.09 | randy_ | does the deb will like rpm cause I install A need B,but B tell me should remove A |
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| 14:04.22 | StucKman | ranix: rpm? |
| 14:04.26 | StucKman | ups |
| 14:04.35 | StucKman | randy_: rpm? |
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| 14:05.45 | akio | How would I tell debian not to try and set up my network cards on boot? |
| 14:06.10 | akio | more debian live... disregard. |
| 14:06.11 | stew | akio: does /etc/network/interfaces contain lines like "auto eth0" or "hotplug eth0"? |
| 14:06.20 | randy_ | StucKman, ye rpm,the rad hat use |
| 14:06.27 | StucKman | akio: depends on what you're using to configure the interfaces, but mostly it would mean to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:06.45 | StucKman | randy_: yes, I know what it is, I don't get how it relates to what you said |
| 14:06.47 | randy_ | StucKman, I just deb will casue the same problem |
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| 14:06.53 | akio | I didn't explain myself fully, and I think I am in the wrong channel. |
| 14:07.14 | randy_ | StucKman, I try to said it in english |
| 14:07.18 | StucKman | randy_: you hadn't say what you're doing or what you're trying to do |
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| 14:08.27 | randy_ | StucKman, the relatoin problem,one day you install A package,it tell you should install B package,when install B.rpm it tell you should remove A package |
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| 14:09.23 | StucKman | randy_: sometimes it happens, yes, specially in debian unstable and sometimes in debian testing, but rarely in stable, and that's a bug |
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| 14:09.55 | stew | a bug in unstable relating to rpms? |
| 14:10.33 | StucKman | stew: he's using rpm as a metaphor |
| 14:10.38 | StucKman | or example, actually |
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| 14:14.17 | akio | Ok, I don't know if it is a live specific problem or not. But I am booting live Debian and I would like to stop Debian from dealing with my network cards. |
| 14:15.27 | StucKman | akio: hmm, I'm not sure it's possible |
| 14:15.42 | akio | I saw the boot parameter noload |
| 14:16.07 | akio | That looks like what I am looking for. |
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| 14:26.14 | FalTam | hey |
| 14:26.24 | FalTam | what virus scanner should i use with postfix? |
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| 14:33.37 | randy_ | StucKman, but no way to avoid it? |
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| 14:35.44 | g4tsu-ks | Hi |
| 14:35.47 | g4tsu-ks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.18 | StucKman | randy_: it normally happens when upgrading in the middle of a transition, which occurs from time to time in different parts of Debian. the way to avoid it is to realize this at upgrade time and refrain to upgrade, or realize this at install time and either wait till the conflict resolves (including reporting the bug) or try somehow to install older versions of the software. it you find such a thing in stable, you should/must report it as a bug. |
| 14:45.29 | randy_ | StucKman, thank you |
| 14:46.12 | StucKman | randy_: my suggestion is that you install stable with backports, or at most, testing |
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| 14:48.00 | Dekkzter | im installing rtorrent from source following a guide.... when running make prefix=$HOME install i get link: warning: library `/home/dekkzter/lib/libcurl.la' was moved error.. but the file is there... any idea? |
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| 14:48.23 | djszapi | Do you publish the build logs anywhere ? |
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| 14:49.17 | StucKman | Dekkzter: I don't see how that's debian specific... |
| 14:49.49 | StucKman | Dekkzter: I would ask in rtorrent's channel/forum/ML |
| 14:51.01 | Dekkzter | starcoder.. well.. there isnt much of an answer there... thought somebidy here could help me anyway :) |
| 14:51.16 | StucKman | I see |
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| 14:55.56 | kevke | I alsway get Could not perform immediate configuration on 'apache2-mpm-prefork'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. if I try to apt-get php |
| 14:56.01 | kevke | please help |
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| 15:00.59 | jk | hmm, so, I guess the debian logo will change to something like http://jkossen.nl/uploads/debian6.png when squeeze is released? ;-) |
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| 15:14.13 | wrksx | hi all |
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| 15:15.51 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.33 | thewanderer1 | wrksx: the OOM killer will go into play eventually :) |
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| 15:16.50 | wrksx | shall I google OOM killer ? |
| 15:16.55 | wrksx | thewanderer1 ^ |
| 15:17.11 | thewanderer1 | works actually quite similar to putting your apps in Quake 3... frags the weakest :) |
| 15:17.18 | thewanderer1 | do you have swap? |
| 15:17.28 | wrksx | a swap partition ? |
| 15:17.31 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 15:17.41 | rozie | well, oom killer is semi-random |
| 15:17.49 | wrksx | let me check I got no control on the partitions |
| 15:18.23 | thewanderer1 | if your total address space is 1GB, expect apps being killed :P |
| 15:18.29 | thewanderer1 | and you can google OOM killer... |
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| 15:21.28 | thewanderer1 | the wisest thing to do is currently either disabling the OOM killer (if you control this kernel setting, /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory set to 2), making absolutely sure your programs won't eat all memory, or marking the proper apps as unkillable (see http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ ) |
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| 15:21.34 | wrksx | thewanderer1, this is what could cause apps to crash, right ? |
| 15:21.45 | thewanderer1 | not to crash, but to get killed |
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| 15:22.03 | thewanderer1 | I think they receive SIGTERM first... |
| 15:22.07 | wrksx | thewanderer1, ok |
| 15:22.14 | thewanderer1 | but still, respective daemons will be terminated, yes |
| 15:22.33 | wrksx | thewanderer1, as long at it terminates gently =) |
| 15:22.39 | wrksx | thewanderer1, I'm ok with it |
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| 15:22.50 | wrksx | thanks for the infos |
| 15:23.02 | skinder | may i make a translation of http://wiki.debian.org/BashScripting ? im unsure because it's a copy of someone's post |
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| 15:23.35 | skinder | is there a w.d.o irc channel? |
| 15:24.59 | thewanderer1 | skinder: currently, the works on wiki.debian.org are unlicensed afaik, that's why it's migrating to a new wiki, so you *should* contact the author first |
| 15:25.15 | thewanderer1 | unless the article states a licence somewhere |
| 15:26.45 | skinder | hurrrr. |
| 15:26.54 | skinder | okay, thanks, thewanderer1 |
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| 15:31.30 | qwd | How do you see to which package a command belongs? |
| 15:32.05 | thewanderer1 | qwd: if it's installed locally, then you call `dpkg --search $(which $command)` replacing $command with your command name |
| 15:32.20 | thewanderer1 | otherwise try apt-file or visit packages.debian.org and search there |
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| 15:32.42 | Mattador | hello |
| 15:33.00 | qwd | dpkg --search $(which $md5sum) |
| 15:33.00 | dpkg | qwd: i haven't a clue |
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| 15:33.26 | qwd | "search needs at least one file name pattern argument" |
| 15:33.42 | Mattador | Any reason why .rar open in windows but when i try in linux it says corrupted? i made sure to download in binary mode.. used force and it still says fail |
| 15:34.08 | qwd | Mattador: Do you have the free version of unrar? I think that doesn't handle RAR3 |
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| 15:34.22 | skinder | i have the same problem |
| 15:34.32 | Mattador | qwd: yes i tried to use unrar, unrar-free |
| 15:34.43 | skinder | i use a windows machine for them :) |
| 15:34.46 | Mattador | for windows i have free version but still lets me open file with error messages |
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| 15:35.15 | xyan | Mattador: try p7zip-rar |
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| 15:35.18 | AimHere | Tell whoever's giving you these .rar files that he should switch to open file formats |
| 15:35.37 | AimHere | p7zip-rar is unfree too |
| 15:35.49 | themill | "giving"... |
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| 15:36.05 | Mattador | hrm |
| 15:36.15 | Mattador | that or i can just get the cracked one from demonoid |
| 15:36.28 | Grega | What is the preferred way to install php5.3.3 on lenny? |
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| 15:36.41 | Mattador | I just wanted to make sure that i wasnt doing something wrong.. ill keep downloading to my ftp and just use windows to open it |
| 15:36.55 | Mattador | main thing i wantd to do is store it.. and make sure it works dont wanna download GBS of data then the stuff is corrupted |
| 15:37.04 | thewanderer1 | qwd: you replaced "command", not "$command" as I told you - it should be `dpkg --search $(which md5sum)` |
| 15:37.34 | qwd | thewanderer1: doh! thanks |
| 15:38.08 | thewanderer1 | Grega: why would you need it, exactly? |
| 15:38.32 | Grega | I need php-fpm |
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| 15:39.26 | thewanderer1 | Grega: you should check backports and if no suitable version is available there, you can use uupdate to build the package from the current sources |
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| 15:42.08 | Grega | I didnt find anything on backports, right now I'm looking at http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
| 15:42.46 | thewanderer1 | Grega: if you do that, you'll end up with a broken system... |
| 15:42.57 | thewanderer1 | or at least *might* end up |
| 15:43.06 | Grega | ow, ok.. how about http://www.dotdeb.org/2010/07/25/php-5-3-3-packages-are-available/ ? |
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| 15:43.30 | qq- | !dotdeb |
| 15:43.30 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.debian.org. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 15:45.00 | thewanderer1 | qq-: I don't think that backports currently has any versions of PHP - is the factoid outdated? |
| 15:46.20 | Grega | Yes, there is no php, so I guess I'll have to use dotdeb |
| 15:46.29 | thewanderer1 | or build your own :P |
| 15:47.33 | mbruins | hi, what is the "right" way to add a user to my lenny system and also give him access to ssh? |
| 15:47.53 | mbruins | i looked in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but couldnt find a parameters there |
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| 15:48.02 | jelly | mbruins: adduser command. |
| 15:48.03 | mbruins | im quessing i should adduser the user first |
| 15:48.17 | mbruins | and then perhaps add the user in a config file of sshd? |
| 15:48.24 | mbruins | am i in the right direction? |
| 15:48.26 | jelly | access via ssh service is available by default, mbruins |
| 15:48.40 | mbruins | allright, so ill just have to adduser a new user |
| 15:48.45 | jelly | right |
| 15:48.54 | mbruins | thanks alot quess i was thinking to much |
| 15:48.56 | mbruins | :) |
| 15:49.00 | delarge | hi |
| 15:49.05 | mbruins | hi |
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| 15:49.21 | delarge | how i can continue a installation via apt ? |
| 15:49.33 | delarge | the apt-get install was stopped in the middle of process |
| 15:49.45 | ecolitan | delarge: run it again |
| 15:49.47 | jk | delarge: just execute the same command again |
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| 15:52.34 | delarge | says 'imposible block the directory of administration /var/lib/dpkg/lock' |
| 15:52.49 | delarge | 'its other process use it?¿ |
| 15:52.51 | delarge | 'its other process use it?' |
| 15:53.23 | delarge | i cant use apt for nothing |
| 15:53.29 | delarge | says me the same error |
| 15:53.30 | delarge | for update |
| 15:53.31 | delarge | clean |
| 15:53.34 | delarge | or whatever |
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| 15:53.58 | wrksx | delarge, you root ? |
| 15:54.03 | delarge | yujp |
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| 15:57.33 | gizmore | how to postifx with mysql auth? |
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| 16:06.44 | Worms | Hello |
| 16:07.03 | Worms | somebody is very good in security ? |
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| 16:07.25 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. Has anyone successfully connected a mobile phone and Nokia CA-42 cable (genuine) to a debian machine? |
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| 16:07.40 | babilen | Worms: Yes |
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| 16:08.08 | Worms | ok, and do you speak french ? |
| 16:08.54 | qq- | !fr |
| 16:08.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:08.58 | babilen | Worms: It might help if you ask your real question. If you want you could also ask in #debian-fr which is a French channel |
| 16:09.18 | hid3 | !lt |
| 16:09.18 | dpkg | [lt] Lithuania |
| 16:09.20 | Worms | i will to explaine you my problem |
| 16:09.24 | hid3 | yeah, I know dpkg... |
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| 16:10.13 | Worms | i've a server (under debian) and, this last mounth was hacked for Scaning |
| 16:10.21 | Worms | i've read all log |
| 16:10.26 | Worms | and i see nothing |
| 16:10.34 | bolt-work | hacked for Scaning? |
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| 16:10.40 | hid3 | reinstall |
| 16:10.46 | hid3 | clean install |
| 16:11.02 | bolt-work | hid3: no point in that, unless you know what vulnerability caused the intrusion |
| 16:11.08 | Worms | my server was hacked, and the hacker use my serfer for scan |
| 16:11.10 | hid3 | but before that to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ice to wipe everything from there |
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| 16:11.26 | hid3 | bolt-work: any hacked system should be reinstalled |
| 16:11.26 | bolt-work | Worms: how was the server hacked? what does it run? |
| 16:11.55 | bolt-work | hid3: there might be critical information regarding the intrusion on that system. wiping it and reinstalling the same software will just lead to another hack |
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| 16:11.57 | at0m | hid3: might be nice to dd to file first for inspection =] |
| 16:12.09 | Worms | Postfix (and other tools with postfix), TS3, TS2, Apache3 |
| 16:12.12 | Worms | Apache2* |
| 16:12.36 | Worms | PSYBNC |
| 16:12.36 | hid3 | at0m, bolt-work: yeah, you're right, but finally , in conclusion the same system should never be run in production again |
| 16:12.55 | hid3 | check psybnc |
| 16:13.04 | bolt-work | hid3: that is, of course, true, but wiping the system at this point would still be a bad idea, i think |
| 16:13.09 | hid3 | that was probably how the hacker got interested in your system ;-) |
| 16:13.27 | hid3 | did I mention 'at this point'? ;-) |
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| 16:14.03 | bolt-work | hid3: well, you told him to reinstall, without any mention of a time to do it. that generally means "now" in my book |
| 16:14.32 | Worms | i wouldn't reinstall if possible |
| 16:15.40 | hid3 | Worms: it's your system and your choice, of course, but I will mention again: if it were my system, I would never run it in production. In any case. Just my 2 cents here. |
| 16:16.19 | hid3 | So anyone had any success with Nokia CA-42 cable and a phone? I want to set up a SMS notification system... |
| 16:16.41 | tharkun | Worms: If you system was hacked i strongly suggest that you do an image of the hdd for later forensic analysys. Revoke all users from access to a shell on the systema and reinstall the OS as soon as possible. |
| 16:17.01 | hid3 | x2 ! |
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| 16:17.45 | bolt-work | would bet on a vulnerable web application... some forum software or plugin, or a vulnerable blog or somesuch, and that the hacker proceeded to do a local root exploit from there |
| 16:17.48 | Worms | i've limited the connexion to ssh, just one user is permitted, with certificate and password |
| 16:17.51 | bolt-work | totally speculating, though |
| 16:18.02 | hid3 | also, you might want to firewall/ACL your services which you don't want everyone to connect. E.g.: the psybnc, ssh, etc... |
| 16:18.25 | bolt-work | i've seen too many examples of people installing stupid wordpress plugins and getting hacked |
| 16:18.48 | hid3 | bolt-work: well, if you reinstall the system, you might be lucky getting the fixed version of the forum/blog/etc software... |
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| 16:19.24 | bolt-work | hid3: relax with the reinstall already. i told you i agree. i just said he shouldn't wipe it immediately just because he was hacked |
| 16:19.24 | Worms | i don't use wordpress, but i'have some site web (3 mine, and one other), but i've check the apache logs, i've see nothing |
| 16:19.24 | FalTam | http://www.linux.fm <-- ^^^ |
| 16:20.11 | bolt-work | Worms: if the attacker had root access, and those logs are local, they may have been altered |
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| 16:20.23 | hid3 | probably other binaries were altered too |
| 16:20.29 | tharkun | remembers some nasty rootkits he has ass souvenirs |
| 16:20.29 | hid3 | ps, grep, df, du, etc... |
| 16:20.54 | tharkun | s/ss/s/ |
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| 16:22.03 | Worms | how can i check if the hacker had root access or if the binary are altered ? |
| 16:22.13 | hid3 | well... |
| 16:22.29 | hid3 | How do you know you were hacked? |
| 16:22.45 | tharkun | The time you will spend doing that is greater than the one you will spend reinstalling your server |
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| 16:23.42 | Worms | because ovh ( my povider) has shut-down my server serval times, and geve me the scan logs |
| 16:23.43 | tharkun | is assuming that Worm has checked that he|r'server has been hacked |
| 16:23.46 | miltio | hi |
| 16:24.06 | miltio | anyone already using squeeze for production? |
| 16:24.21 | hid3 | yep miltio.. |
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| 16:24.59 | BlackFate | Worms, just clean install it.. |
| 16:25.00 | tharkun | miltio: low traffic level extremly limited cases only |
| 16:25.20 | miltio | sendmail packages are fixed? |
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| 16:25.34 | miltio | last time I checked squeeze sendmail was broken |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | s/squeeze// |
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| 16:26.06 | Worms | do you know something for create a hdd image |
| 16:26.12 | hid3 | dd! |
| 16:26.21 | miltio | clonezilla |
| 16:26.29 | miltio | g4l |
| 16:26.57 | tharkun | miltio: Switched to postfix long ago |
| 16:27.14 | hid3 | uses exim for local delivery mails |
| 16:27.34 | kainus | hi! is possible to send a "echo" message to all the sessions running on a server? or to a specific session that is not in what you are tipping the command? |
| 16:27.37 | babilen | miltio: I guess that some people might actually run Squeeze on production servers, but I wouldn't recommend it. (no security support yet) |
| 16:27.50 | abrotman | partial support |
| 16:27.57 | hid3 | kainus: yes, but you will send it to yourself too |
| 16:28.00 | tharkun | kainus: man wall |
| 16:28.03 | hid3 | echo "message" |wall |
| 16:28.22 | kainus | hid3> thanks man! i will start playing with that! |
| 16:28.39 | hid3 | I liked playing with that too some years ago! |
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| 16:30.03 | tharkun | babilen: At risk of beeing slaped by abrotman. If you carefully choose the services you will be running on the server it is indeed perfectly ok to run it. |
| 16:30.15 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 16:30.52 | abrotman | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing |
| 16:31.03 | babilen | tharkun: On your personal laptop/desktop, but definitely not on an internet facing production server. (without scissors that is) |
| 16:31.07 | miltio | I hate to use a stable going to be old-stable in a pair of weeks |
| 16:31.30 | babilen | miltio: Why do you hate that? And you can upgrade to Squeeze *once it is released* |
| 16:31.34 | miltio | used lenny on prod 6 months before it turned stable (but was freezed) |
| 16:32.11 | miltio | I can but customer will not pay for the upgrade |
| 16:32.13 | abrotman | miltio: "pair of weeks' is unknown |
| 16:32.25 | abrotman | it could be weeks, could be months |
| 16:32.30 | miltio | yeah |
| 16:32.41 | miltio | debian style ;) |
| 16:33.02 | miltio | despite that I love debian |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | there was a blog that thyere are still 125+ RC bugs to be addressed |
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| 16:33.50 | miltio | I bet 99% of those bugs are related to exotic packages or X stuff |
| 16:34.15 | tharkun | abrotman: thx for the link very interesting |
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| 16:34.41 | abrotman | miltio: i bet not |
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| 16:35.07 | miltio | by the way I'll go for lenny again |
| 16:35.15 | abrotman | miltio: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 .. roughly |
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| 16:36.26 | miltio | abrotman: thanks for the link |
| 16:36.32 | hid3 | The snmpd bug I reported didn't even get reviewed, not talking about being fixed.. |
| 16:36.43 | tharkun | babilen: I think it would be useless to discuss that topic with you. Since there are lots of caveats to address and for the average joe it is indeed too high a risk to take |
| 16:37.23 | abrotman | so right .. not advised .. move along! |
| 16:37.44 | hid3 | abrotman: any ideas if the mirror list in Squeeze will be updated before the release (stable)? |
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| 16:37.49 | miltio | I don't remember if squeeze installer let to choose between grub1 and grub2 |
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| 16:38.59 | E-bola | Is there anyway to get a newer update of libc6 for lenny? I have a requirement to have atleast 2.8 and lenny apears to come with 2.7 |
| 16:39.01 | abrotman | no, there is no grub1 in squeeze |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | E-bola: no, there is not .. everything is linked against libc6 .. it would mostly crash and stop working |
| 16:39.26 | E-bola | abrotman: ohh :/ |
| 16:39.32 | hid3 | and any clues about the mirror list? |
| 16:39.45 | abrotman | mirror list updated? i think it gets updated once a week ? |
| 16:39.53 | hid3 | I mean |
| 16:39.59 | hid3 | installer mirror list.. |
| 16:40.04 | abrotman | hid3: see the bottom of the page .. last updated nov 20 |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | hid3: oh, no idea .. i would assume they sync it before release? not sure |
| 16:40.17 | hid3 | abrotman: that's on a page! |
| 16:40.40 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 16:40.40 | hid3 | Let's hope the list which is in 'frozen' is not the final one ;-) |
| 16:40.48 | miltio | abrotman: according to packages.debian.org grub-legacy is there |
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| 16:40.58 | abrotman | i bet not |
| 16:41.08 | abrotman | judd: info grub-legacy --release squeeze |
| 16:41.10 | judd | Package grub-legacy (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version). Version: 0.97-63; Size: 378.8k; Installed: 868k |
| 16:41.18 | abrotman | really? i thought it had been pulled? |
| 16:41.56 | abrotman | you shouldn't use grub1 unless you really have a reason .. it's abandoned upstream |
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| 16:42.11 | hid3 | LILO for the winners! |
| 16:42.15 | abrotman | (it should have been pulled IMO) |
| 16:42.18 | miltio | I was a LILO fan |
| 16:42.28 | hid3 | yeah, it rocked.. |
| 16:42.37 | hid3 | waas a fan too |
| 16:42.47 | hid3 | still using it in some systems |
| 16:44.04 | miltio | last time I checked, password protect for grub2 is missing encrytion |
| 16:45.08 | miltio | then I have to figure out how to use grub2 with md root partition |
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| 16:46.38 | miltio | a new bootloader? I can live without it ;) |
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| 17:06.03 | clemyeats | Question about deb packaging. How do you detect the architecture within the rule file? I'd like to make an "any" package that has different content depending on whether it's built for i386 or amd64. |
| 17:06.58 | clemyeats | do you just find out the same way you'd do it in a bash script? or is there some special variable for this? |
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| 17:08.04 | skinder | thewanderer1, another question: if i cant find the author of page i wish to translate, i cannot translate it? |
| 17:08.26 | Stylles | Can someone give me a juda with kerberos? |
| 17:08.45 | babilen | !tell clemyeats -about mentors |
| 17:09.00 | thewanderer1 | skinder: it depends on the law. in one instance I know you are allowed to use a copyrighted work, but have to cease if the copyright owner demands you to... |
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| 17:09.42 | thewanderer1 | skinder: so there will not be problems unless they sue you for causing substantial losses etc. |
| 17:09.49 | skinder | o_o |
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| 17:10.14 | skinder | this post is from far 2005. |
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| 17:10.44 | skinder | thewanderer1, thank you again ^^ |
| 17:10.53 | clemyeats | thanks babilen |
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| 17:13.02 | jophish | Aloha Everybody! |
| 17:13.07 | clemyeats | seems dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH is going to do the job, I'll use that in the meantime. |
| 17:13.30 | jophish | So, I have a laptop, which has a few special buttons on |
| 17:13.35 | jophish | Is there a way to make thes useful |
| 17:13.46 | jophish | Linux is getting the messages |
| 17:14.00 | jophish | When I press one, it displays the current scren brightness |
| 17:14.11 | jophish | and when I press the other one, it prints the character 'x' |
| 17:14.31 | babilen | clemyeats: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules |
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| 17:15.13 | babilen | clemyeats: But explain your usecase in -mentors before you start to hack something. There might be a standard solution. |
| 17:15.26 | amphi | jophish: you can look with xev to see what keysyms they generate, and then bind them to whatever you like |
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| 17:16.02 | jophish | amphi: That sounds fantastic |
| 17:16.04 | jophish | Thanks# |
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| 17:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | jophish: There's also a hotkeys package that will activate/interpret some known sets of hotkeys. |
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| 17:17.15 | jophish | jhutchins_lt: I will try that, thanks |
| 17:17.35 | jophish | amphi: xev does exactly what I was thinking |
| 17:18.26 | jophish | ok |
| 17:18.33 | jophish | one of them seems to be audio next |
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| 17:20.13 | amphi | jophish: I have some Fn-key 'multimedia' combos here that I bound to moc, works very nicely |
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| 17:21.36 | jophish | amphi: ok, moc. I will remember that |
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| 17:22.50 | amphi | jophish: I'm sure you can control may music players in a similar way, but moc is a nice ncurses player - or rather it has a nice ncurses front end; the interface doesn't have to be running for the keybindings to work |
| 17:22.53 | iman | when i want to create vpn connection i get this error : Could not find VPN plugin service for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.pptp'. |
| 17:23.13 | abrotman | iman: so look for a network-manager vpn package |
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| 17:23.17 | jophish | Ah ok |
| 17:23.33 | jophish | I think that there are xf86 events for music control |
| 17:23.36 | Dekkzter | im installing rtorrent from source following a guide.... when running make prefix=$HOME install i get link: warning: library `/home/dekkzter/lib/libcurl.la' was moved error.. but the file is there... any idea? |
| 17:24.22 | iman | abrotman, thank you - i want to connect to my ipod with debian but i can't, which application you suggest me to do this connetion? |
| 17:24.27 | jelly | ,versions rtorrent |
| 17:24.29 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | iman: i don't own an ipod |
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| 17:25.08 | Bushmills | "warning" sounds like a warning, not like an error. check whether the file is a symlink, rather than a file |
| 17:25.36 | Dekkzter | ok... how do i see that? im pretty noobish :( |
| 17:25.59 | Bushmills | ls -l |
| 17:26.50 | Bushmills | or file /home/dekkzter/lib/libcurl.la |
| 17:28.01 | Dekkzter | "libtool library file" |
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| 17:28.56 | Bushmills | i'd not worry as long as it compiles. warnings are mostly tolerable |
| 17:29.22 | Dekkzter | but it stops there |
| 17:29.49 | Bushmills | aptitude install rtorrent |
| 17:30.14 | Dekkzter | well.. its lenny and i need the 0.8.6 version |
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| 17:30.50 | jelly | Dekkzter: which architecture are you using? It's not too hard to backport rtorrent. |
| 17:30.53 | Bushmills | chances are that more recent libs may be needed as well, not just recent rtorrent sources |
| 17:31.01 | jelly | nah |
| 17:31.10 | Dekkzter | im using armel.. its at my NAS.. dns 323 |
| 17:31.27 | jelly | ok, so you won't be able to use my i386 backport |
| 17:31.43 | Dekkzter | well.. i have installed all the latest libs that are needed |
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| 17:32.05 | jelly | Dekkzter: did you do it using "aptitude build-dep rtorrent", or some other method? |
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| 17:32.11 | Dekkzter | i could give one of ssh access and check it out |
| 17:32.23 | Dekkzter | a guide... http://code.google.com/p/pyroscope/wiki/DebianInstallFromSource |
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| 17:33.37 | jelly | curl and xmlrpc needn't be that new, or there already are backports at backports.org. Not sure what c-ares is. |
| 17:33.43 | vmnew | one of my clients servers had been rootkited. It is now connected to my testing network, I think I got all the infected files/backdoors removed, chkrootkit shows all clear, except possible t0rn V8 and also rkhuter says some SHV4 and 5 and other, perhaps false-positives. I can use your expertise on what's runnin on this system now - http://pastebin.ca/2003035 |
| 17:33.52 | jelly | !ssb |
| 17:33.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:34.12 | jelly | Dekkzter: ^^ that would be the generic method to create a backported package |
| 17:34.42 | jelly | Dekkzter: you'll need to backport libtorrent, install its binary packages, then backport rtorrent |
| 17:34.52 | Dekkzter | ok |
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| 17:35.38 | Dekkzter | so shall i add a squeeze or sid to sources.list? |
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| 17:38.40 | jelly | you shall "add ONLY a deb-src line for sid" |
| 17:38.57 | jelly | not a deb http://... line, but deb-src http://... |
| 17:41.26 | skinder | can someone sue a 14-year girl for copyright infringement? now i think, can i translate [[BashScripting]] or not. |
| 17:41.38 | zinx | skinder: you can in the US, even if she's dead |
| 17:41.47 | Dekkzter | ok.. thx jelly |
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| 17:41.50 | skinder | lol |
| 17:42.46 | Dekkzter | jelly so <release< is sid right? |
| 17:43.09 | Dekkzter | it shall stand sid there instead of <release> i mean |
| 17:43.41 | abrotman | this is going to end poorly :) |
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| 17:44.36 | JordiGH | Huh, I've been getting hard freezes. |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | Uhm, it's "X --configure" if you want to generate an xorg.conf .. right ? |
| 17:44.58 | JordiGH | Everything's unresponsive, the music skips continuously on the last few seconds. |
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| 17:45.35 | JordiGH | Other day I got a crash in a kernel module, looked like a context switch during an atomic operation. |
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| 17:50.36 | rkhshm | is using debootstrap to create a miniroot for the ISO absolutely imperative for creating a Installable ISO ? |
| 17:51.05 | rkhshm | can the debs be just unpacked into a staging dir and mkisofs can run on it to deliver a ISO ? |
| 17:51.27 | rkhshm | needed some urgent answers on this.. reply deeply appreciated |
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| 17:52.19 | carandraug | hi! Iceweasel sometimes freezes for some 10-15 sec taking over >90% of CPU usage. Everything else keeps working just fine. I haven't lost any work, iceweasel then returns to normal but it's a still a bother. Anyone knows where I should start looking to track the cause of the problem? I already looked into Iceweasel errors console but found nothing |
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| 17:53.37 | Faustus | has anyone used a portable OO from a pendrive on windows 7? Does it come off without a hitch? |
| 17:53.46 | skinder | carandraug, maybe incompatible addons? |
| 17:53.58 | rkhshm | anyone can answer my question pls |
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| 17:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | rkhshm: I'd say you're the one. |
| 17:57.24 | rkhshm | jhutchins_lt: as in ? |
| 17:57.39 | carandraug | skinder, hmm.. I don't have that many and are all for different functions. I will try to disable some and see if it stops. The problem is that I haven't figured how to make it happen yet, so if it there's no problems, can be for luck or because I actually disabled the bad plugin |
| 17:57.40 | jhutchins_lt | rkhshm: You're the one who can answer the question. |
| 17:57.54 | jhutchins_lt | carandraug: What version are you running, on what platform? |
| 17:58.01 | carandraug | skinder, but I'll try that, it's the best I have until now. Can't see a iceweasel dmesg file |
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| 17:58.30 | carandraug | jhutchins, iceweasel 3.5.15 on Debian testing |
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| 17:59.13 | skinder | i stopped using iceweasel because some add-ons didn't install =_= |
| 17:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | carandraug: Haven't seen anything similar, what's your hardware like? |
| 18:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | I do have a system where konversation goes to 99% cpu and freezes the system for minutes at a time. |
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| 18:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | What's really wierd is that the problem persisted when I switched distributions. |
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| 18:01.10 | carandraug | jhutchins, It's something I built from computers the University deemed unadequated for work. dualcore 2.8GHz and 2GB of memory. Do you need something else? |
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| 18:02.00 | carandraug | jhutchins_lt, it doesn't freezes the system, only iceweasel. Even though it takes 90% of the CPU the rest still works (albeit a bit slower), and it's only for 15sec |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | flash ? |
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| 18:02.26 | carandraug | abrotman, I don't have flash installed |
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| 18:02.38 | carandraug | I use gnash |
| 18:02.44 | abrotman | same problem i would imagine |
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| 18:03.05 | skinder | there's the problem, i think > gnash |
| 18:03.08 | Dekkzter | im stuck at backporting again.. can someone help me... i want to use the backport repo to be used mainly, using the pin at /etc/apt/preferences, but that fileisnt there |
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| 18:03.25 | skinder | gnash is slower and not all is implemented |
| 18:03.46 | abrotman | Dekkzter: create it |
| 18:03.51 | Dekkzter | ok.. |
| 18:03.53 | carandraug | skinder, that would mean the problem only occured on pages with flash content. That's not true. Mostly happens when there's no flash content |
| 18:04.09 | skinder | hm. |
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| 18:05.44 | wildc4rd | evenin all!! |
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| 18:05.50 | carandraug | I thought it could be the gmail page, updating every so often 9specially because I noticed to happen a lot when writing e-mails). However, it has happened when gmail was closed, I probably only noticed more often with gmail because it's more noticeable when writing (happens every 10 sentences or so) |
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| 18:08.19 | Dekkzter | with apt-cache show packagename i get the version off the package,, how do i get versions from backports? |
| 18:08.33 | skinder | everything i can suggest now is that firefox reads or writes something BIG. but it's almost impossible. |
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| 18:11.12 | carandraug | skinder, it only started recently, the last month or so, chances is something I did recently (or something that I made before and an iceweasel update broke). I'll try to track it down disabling plugins installed recently and placing the config options back to default |
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| 18:11.50 | Nashenas | how would I check what filesystem my external usb harddrive has? |
| 18:11.52 | carandraug | skinder, thanks for the suggestions thought. I think plugins are the way to start. I did install bioFOX and firefox sync recently |
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| 18:12.44 | carandraug | Nashenas, /sbin/fdisk -l should give you an hint . There's also disk utily if you prefer a graphic interface |
| 18:12.46 | skinder | oh, np oO |
| 18:13.52 | Nashenas | carandraug: thanks, but there's one thing that's confusing me. It says that it's HPFS/NTFS. How can it be both at the same time? |
| 18:13.56 | skinder | df |
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| 18:14.56 | carandraug | Nashenas, It can't. Means it's one or the other, because they have the same Id code. I don't know how disk utility and gparted differentiate between them. Use those if you can |
| 18:15.17 | Nashenas | carandraug: thanks |
| 18:15.30 | carandraug | Nashenas, no problem |
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| 18:37.03 | marshallmc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.43 | Guest10252 | just finished new installation on my laptop (compag presario c500) looking to get the wifi up and running... but I am not sure how to find the type of wifi hardware on my system... is there a command to display the wireless card? |
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| 18:40.27 | dutchfish | marshallmc: explain 'modify' |
| 18:40.33 | jhutchins_lt | !wifi |
| 18:40.33 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | Guest10252: lspci usually shows it. |
| 18:41.05 | Guest10252 | I am compiling the new kernel (2.6.36.1) so it will be a few before I can do it ... thanks jhutchins |
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| 18:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:41.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:41.56 | dutchfish | marshallmc: any pccap->interface will do like tcpdump and wireshark use them |
| 18:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | Guest10252: Understand that with a non-debian kernel, some debian solutions will not work. |
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| 18:42.29 | Guest10252 | oh, Yay... I have the broadcom 4311 |
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| 18:43.00 | sly007 | Hi, I am looking for a Qt or GTK terminal emulator which doesn't depend on gnome or kde. What do you use |
| 18:43.04 | Guest10252 | jhutchins, doesn't debian use kernel.org's kernels? |
| 18:43.42 | Guest10252 | but I will take the risk... since it is a new install |
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| 18:43.47 | skinder | sly007, uxterm. |
| 18:44.05 | skinder | not qt, not gtk, but doesn't depend on gnome or kde |
| 18:44.26 | skinder | and very light |
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| 18:44.37 | jhutchins_lt | Guest10252: Yes, the kernels are originally from kernel.org, but are rather heavily patched. |
| 18:44.45 | sly007 | I want tabs |
| 18:44.54 | marshallmc | wasn't sure if i had to place it into promiscuous mode or something |
| 18:45.14 | robokop | sly007: screen > tabs |
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| 18:45.54 | marshallmc | trying to use NTOP to monitor my traffic on my lan but i want to use 1 port to monitor it and use the switch's port mirroring as to not cause another point of failure which would occur if i use 2 nics and make a transparent inline bridge |
| 18:46.00 | dutchfish | marshallmc: use a pcap-based for that |
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| 18:47.31 | dutchfish | marshallmc: http://www.tcpdump.org/pcap3_man.html |
| 18:47.45 | marshallmc | ty dutch |
| 18:47.45 | robokop | sly007: and you can try mrxvt |
| 18:47.52 | dutchfish | marshallmc: yw |
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| 18:51.41 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
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| 18:51.54 | eshat | GPG Question: Is there a difference in signing a key or signing an identity ? |
| 18:51.57 | kristian-aalborg | can anyone recommend a fun graphics program that is very limited in size? |
| 18:52.42 | msoos | Hi everyone! I used a self-compiled kernel, and I had a kernel oops when I was copying something to my USB drive. Now I rebooted to Squeeze kernel, and my USB drive is not recognised at all, the dmesg doesn't show anything. I am not a newbie, either: I know linux well. I think it is stuck reading the partitions |
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| 18:53.11 | msoos | Anybody has any idea how to check what is going on? |
| 18:53.21 | msoos | I can't see anything in dmesg |
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| 18:53.47 | skinder | it wasn't unmounted, amirite? |
| 18:53.52 | msoos | But the USB drive is blinking like crazy -- that's why I think it's stuck reading the partitions |
| 18:53.54 | uwjesd | Is there a configuration assistant for xorg for the cli? |
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| 18:55.39 | dutchfish | marshallmc: you also might want to delve into: http://www.ntop.org/PF_RING.html |
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| 18:56.08 | msoos | :(( |
| 18:56.18 | skinder | msoos, 21:53:49 < skinder> it wasn't unmounted, amirite? |
| 18:56.45 | msoos | Oh, sorry, no it wasn't -- I didn't understand what you meant by "amirite" |
| 18:57.03 | msoos | I rebooted the machine by hand |
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| 18:57.14 | msoos | (power-cycle) |
| 18:57.25 | msoos | But all my normal partitions&hard drives are OK |
| 18:57.59 | msoos | The USB though is messed. Something must have gone wrong, because Linux is I think stuck with the thing. Probably trying to read the partition table, but that's just a wild guess |
| 18:58.14 | msoos | it's _really_ strange that nothing is shown in the dmesg |
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| 18:58.42 | msoos | not even that something USB has been plugged in -- Linux used to show that by default in the old days |
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| 18:59.57 | msoos | What's more, I have been using Linux for 12 years now.. I am not a newbie... |
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| 19:00.13 | msoos | It's rare for me to get stuck |
| 19:00.23 | eshat | Is there any other way to get my gpg key signed, without having to leaving my home :D ? |
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| 19:00.54 | dutchfish | msoos: could that the usb bus gave up? look at the output of dmidecode ... |
| 19:02.06 | dutchfish | msoos: or lsusb -v |
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| 19:03.09 | msoos | dutchfish, what should I type in as root to dmidecode? It's a bit of a low-level utility that I never used before... |
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| 19:03.49 | msoos | dutchfish: also, I think the bus didn't give up, because the oops was related to ext2 |
| 19:04.05 | msoos | so I would suspect it had something to do with my rsync-ing to the USB drive |
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| 19:04.27 | sive1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.28 | sive1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.01 | mentor | SASL exploit? |
| 19:05.02 | dutchfish | msoos: dmidecode -t connector |
| 19:05.03 | Mr_Queue | what the hell |
| 19:05.26 | eshat | what is that ? |
| 19:05.27 | msoos | dutchfish, OK. The USB is attached now, so I hope this won't destroy my data ;) It's relatively important to me |
| 19:05.28 | dutchfish | mentor: rubish, that was spam only |
| 19:05.44 | dutchfish | msoos: nope |
| 19:05.45 | kristian-aalborg | it's some asshats who've done that for some time now.. |
| 19:06.06 | dutchfish | msoos: it only returns info |
| 19:06.24 | mentor | I was wondering why they might be spreading such rubbish… |
| 19:07.07 | dutchfish | mentor: to make people doubt and wonder ... dont give it attention |
| 19:07.14 | msoos | dutchfish, OK, well, it returned all my input/outputs, apparently, with USB listed. The USB ports themselves seem to work: I have a mouse and a TV tuner attached. Also, I have a server-grade motherboard, an Intel 5000... it should hold up, I think |
| 19:07.37 | mentor | dutchfish: Thank you for the advice. |
| 19:07.38 | msoos | I just connected the USB to another port, and it keeps blinking |
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| 19:07.41 | dutchfish | msoos: was your disk port also correctly listed? |
| 19:08.19 | msoos | It lists a bunch of ports, specifically: |
| 19:08.53 | msoos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.30 | msoos | PARALLEL, 2xSERIAL, KYBD, MOUSE? USB1...8, ENET, MIC, LINE-OUT, LINE-IN, HP-OUT |
| 19:10.37 | msoos | The thing keeps on blinking... it's a mystery to me |
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| 19:10.54 | dutchfish | msoos: ok, lsusb would show you all the connected devices if operational |
| 19:11.10 | msoos | Yup, found it |
| 19:11.11 | User_San | Hello guys, i need help. I am searching for a web-based graphical user interface that let the users log-in via web and use some commands by clicking icons. And i need a log of what everyone done. |
| 19:11.20 | msoos | sorry, I should have guessed lsusb, I now lspci, etc. |
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| 19:11.27 | msoos | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 047d:2048 Kensington |
| 19:11.41 | msoos | So it works in terms of USB |
| 19:11.47 | dutchfish | msoos: if listed we can prolly rule out usb errors, then we basically should check the HD, for that you can use smartmon-tools |
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| 19:12.04 | msoos | OK |
| 19:12.05 | User_San | if any of you know something like that, r what can be adapted to work like that, please tell me |
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| 19:12.19 | cocoloa | so neither the "apt-get -f install" nor the manual delete version did work for this strange apt-get problem, maybe there is an apt-get pro in here? |
| 19:12.30 | cocoloa | sry |
| 19:12.43 | dutchfish | msoos: smartmontools read te fine manual that comes with it how to use it |
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| 19:13.05 | cocoloa | hey there, got a strange behaviour on my machine, when i try to apt-get something i always get "unmed dependencies" and it shows me a long list of unmet dependencies for some latex files, but i can't figure |
| 19:13.06 | dutchfish | msoos: if the disk is into troubles it should list it |
| 19:13.09 | cocoloa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.03 | msoos | dutchfish, gsmartctl doesn't show the Kensington drive |
| 19:14.04 | Guest10252 | cocoloa: you need to run those in a terminal |
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| 19:14.31 | msoos | dutchfish, but I think SMART doesn't always work through USB, so this doesn't say much :( |
| 19:15.00 | Guest10252 | cocoloa: do them in order but be sure of correct spelling |
| 19:15.06 | msoos | gmartmond shows my two drives, sda and sdb |
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| 19:15.18 | msoos | gparted didn't show my harddrive, either |
| 19:15.41 | msoos | I mean, gparted shows sda and sdb, but not the USB, which used to be mounted as sdc |
| 19:15.44 | msoos | Hmmm |
| 19:15.50 | msoos | I boot up my laptop now |
| 19:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | msoos: The firmware for smart has to be built into the device. It's fairly standard in IDE, which means it's common on SCSI and SATA, but not universal. |
| 19:17.10 | msoos | jhutchins_lt, actually, it is definitely in the firmware. The problem is, some cheap USB cases don't actually let the SMART commands pass through the USB interface. As far as I remember, anyway |
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| 19:17.21 | dutchfish | msoos: man Smartctl |
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| 19:18.21 | msoos | dutchfish, unfortunately, the man says: |
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| 19:18.51 | msoos | "SYNOPSIS: smartctl [options] device", but I don't have a "device" assigned, since the drive doesn't show up under /dev/ |
| 19:19.18 | msoos | and since "device" is not in brackets, it must be given. So, smartctl doesn't help :( |
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| 19:19.41 | msoos | Unless we can find out where under /dev it got attached, if any |
| 19:19.45 | ddman | how can i get the shared memory dump in core files for analysis ? |
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| 19:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | ddman: Perhaps the mailing lists at kernel.org could help. |
| 19:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | msoos: If udev doesn't detect it I don't know how you'd get around that. Look at dmesg. |
| 19:21.27 | msoos | dmesg doesn't print anything. I just booted up my laptop, it doesn's say there anything, either |
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| 19:22.29 | msoos | I think I will boot into Windows, what a shameful moment in my life :D |
| 19:22.42 | msoos | But Windows doesn't recognise ext3, so that will be funny |
| 19:22.44 | msoos | :S |
| 19:23.43 | dutchfish | msoos: you need prolly something to cast like: smartctl -d sat -a /dev/sdd (where sdd is your device identifier and the -d option is either ata or sat depending on drive type) |
| 19:25.22 | dutchfish | msoos: example: http://debian.pastebin.com/PcgUGzdk |
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| 19:25.45 | msoos | dutchfish, but when I do "ls /dev/sd*", it only shows sda and sdb, which means giving /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd should return with an error immediately, no? |
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| 19:25.58 | User_San | does anyone know about it? I habe tried some CSM and Webmin, but all things get really big, so the embebed hardware i use can not do the work |
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| 19:26.09 | msoos | Yes, returns: "No such device" |
| 19:26.35 | SethX | hey, i've got a problem with apache.. can somebody help me? |
| 19:26.38 | msoos | okay, bb, going to windows |
| 19:26.51 | SethX | i've described it here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4287844/configure-apache-vhost-to-not-treat-as-a-query-token |
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| 19:34.03 | dutchfish | SethX: i think you better ask this in #apache |
| 19:34.07 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 19:35.12 | skinder | how do i determine that opengl is installed? looks like it isn't. |
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| 19:35.42 | skinder | or i dont understand something. |
| 19:35.47 | kristian-aalborg | would someone know how to get a log of my boot-time? |
| 19:36.01 | dutchfish | skinder: glxinfo ? |
| 19:36.02 | tensorpudding | ls /usr/lib | grep GL |
| 19:36.41 | skinder | kristian-aalborg, /var/log/boot.0 ? |
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| 19:37.23 | skinder | there are libGL.so etc, but no glxinfo at all |
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| 19:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | !bootlog |
| 19:37.42 | dpkg | methinks bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 19:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | However, it doesn't show the full text of what's displayed at boot. |
| 19:38.09 | dutchfish | !uptime |
| 19:38.38 | skinder | next question: how do i make opengl working? o_O |
| 19:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | Let's see if the bot knows anything about it... |
| 19:39.07 | jhutchins_lt | !opengl |
| 19:39.07 | dpkg | OpenGL (Open Graphics Language) is a 3D graphics <API> originally developed by Silicon Graphics. http://www.opengl.org/ There is a free implementation available, ask me about <mesa>. |
| 19:39.20 | dutchfish | !dri |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | methinks dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ #dri on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:39.40 | kristian-aalborg | skinder: yes, it does some of it |
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| 19:39.55 | kristian-aalborg | but I'd like to get a total like "this machine booted in 28 seconds" |
| 19:40.13 | kristian-aalborg | I've seen it plenty of times but I can't find the switch ;) |
| 19:40.13 | msoos | dutchfish, I am dumb, sorry |
| 19:40.27 | msoos | dutchfish, the damned USB drive is plain dead |
| 19:40.36 | dutchfish | !comfort msoos |
| 19:40.36 | dpkg | There, there, msoos. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 19:41.06 | msoos | dutchfish, the "lsusb" showed my "Kensington" trackball, not the USB drive |
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| 19:41.14 | dutchfish | nods |
| 19:41.17 | msoos | thanks, dutchfish for all, including the "!"comfort |
| 19:41.23 | dutchfish | yw |
| 19:42.20 | skinder | !tell skinder about mesa |
| 19:42.22 | msoos | However, I find it hard to swallow that Kernel "oops"-ed on me when it failed. There were no modules inserted that tainted the kernel or anything |
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| 19:43.03 | msoos | I guess drive output sanity checking is not perfect in one of the modules, maybe USB |
| 19:43.22 | msoos | Oh well |
| 19:43.41 | dutchfish | msoos: thats why raid is invented |
| 19:43.46 | msoos | at least nothing nasty happened, everything worked as before, I was just afraid of kernel memory corruption |
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| 19:43.55 | skinder | just never compile a kernel, it makes a lot of problems |
| 19:44.06 | msoos | dutchfish, actually, this was my backup USB. I don't use RAID, I use(d) a backup |
| 19:44.08 | skinder | (oh, my mad english skills) |
| 19:44.35 | msoos | dutchfish, so I didn't loose any data. I am prepared for this sh*t to happen |
| 19:44.52 | dutchfish | msoos: good good |
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| 19:45.17 | msoos | But now I need to get my hands on a USB quick, I am vulnerable now :S |
| 19:45.58 | msoos | Oh well. Thanks for all, though! Bye! |
| 19:46.57 | skinder | so, how do i install-configure opengl/mesa/glx? |
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| 19:47.13 | skinder | dpkg didn't tell anything useful for me |
| 19:47.13 | dpkg | skinder: I give up, what is it? |
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| 19:58.55 | kristian-aalborg | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 19:58.55 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:59.07 | kristian-aalborg | dpkg: no worries |
| 19:59.07 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, kristian-aalborg |
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| 19:59.47 | skinder | dpkg, :-* |
| 19:59.48 | dpkg | skinder: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:59.56 | skinder | okaaay. |
| 20:00.04 | cobart | Gdnight |
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| 20:21.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:21.21 | dpkg | <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
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| 20:25.23 | ggggbabybabybaby | okay okay |
| 20:25.39 | ggggbabybabybaby | Does anyone put their RAID1 disks on separate disk controllers? |
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| 20:28.28 | giant_g2 | I need to do an interview with a computer science professional for a school report. Anybody here able and willing to help me? |
| 20:29.21 | ggggbabybabybaby | giant_g2: Ask him why all compsci majors these days can only speak broken java |
| 20:29.45 | abrotman | giant_g2: possibly try #defocus |
| 20:30.07 | giant_g2 | ok thanks |
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| 20:30.30 | abrotman | giant_g2: also there is ##cs |
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| 20:39.08 | jelly-home | ggggbabybabybaby: separate controllers can be a) expensive, therefore b) it makes more sense to keep a spare hw raid controller instead of using it |
| 20:39.42 | jelly-home | ggggbabybabybaby: also, your nickname is ugly as hell |
| 20:39.50 | EddiX | Hey! I'm currently using Arch Linux, but I'm considering something more stable (in terms of package updates) for my main desktop. The thing is, I don't want my system to break because of updates, but I still want relatively new versions of let's say firefox (or iceweasel). What do you think? stable + backports or testing or even sid? |
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| 20:40.36 | abrotman | EddiX: squeeze is likely going to release within a couple months, track squeeze for awhile .. see if it suits you |
| 20:40.44 | ggggbabybabybaby | jelly: you're just jelly of it |
| 20:40.49 | jelly-home | EddiX: every system can break because of updates. However, you can usually disconnect OS updates from Mozilla Firefox updates. |
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| 20:41.58 | ggggbabybabybaby | jelly: Well I don't know about hardware RAID, I'd like to be able to use a hardware RAID but also different controllers(maybe my onboard). |
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| 20:42.42 | jelly-home | EddiX: so, don't upgrade if you have work to do. Have two machines so you can continue working if the primary one is out of order, whether it's due to software or hardware issues. |
| 20:43.38 | marcpv | hi, anyone knows the package used by openoffice for the spanish spellcheck? |
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| 20:49.04 | EddiX | jelly-home: Yeah, I know that. That's what I've been doing. I just tought I should ask from experienced debian users about their thoughts on wich version of debian they recommend I should get for a pretty stable and pretty up to date system. |
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| 20:50.14 | abrotman | EddiX: testing/unstable go through different levels of stability .. one week they may work fine, the next, BLAM! |
| 20:50.41 | jelly-home | EddiX: if you prefer stable, use the released version (with software from 2008! or older!). If you prefer up-to-date, you might have to forego some of the stable |
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| 20:53.37 | EddiX | So, what do you guys think about backports? Any experience in using them? Cause it would sure as hell be nice to have a pretty new version of some particular software. |
| 20:54.06 | bowman1 | Hi EddiX, I use them for some packages |
| 20:54.13 | Guest6865 | EddiX: only with bcm43 |
| 20:54.15 | bowman1 | It works fine |
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| 20:55.07 | Guest6865 | i am having issues though... i get an error stating that the netowork manager does not have access to some resources |
| 20:55.37 | Guest6865 | I am doing a system update now... which might resolve the issue... or screw me to hell |
| 20:56.29 | abrotman | bcm43xx is always a pain .. |
| 20:57.23 | Guest6865 | i had it working correctly a year ago... but since then I have installed several different distros since... and now back with debian |
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| 20:57.59 | Guest6865 | I might just remove it and reinstall... after the upgrades are complete |
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| 21:02.24 | EddiX | Okay, backports sound cool. Maybe I should try a stable with backports. Is there any difference in installing squeeze now or after it 'becomes stable'? Thank you guys, this has been helpful! |
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| 21:02.51 | abrotman | of course there's a difference |
| 21:03.33 | EddiX | abrotman: so it will always be 'testing', like rolling release? |
| 21:03.38 | abrotman | no |
| 21:04.25 | Guest6865 | Eddix, if you use "testing" then it is always a rolling release |
| 21:04.33 | abrotman | except when it's frozen? |
| 21:05.15 | Guest6865 | but if you use "Lenny" in your sources then your system will update only from lenny packages |
| 21:06.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: then it's rolling really slow |
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| 21:09.50 | EddiX | So, off to waiting for squeeze then! Thx |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | why wait? |
| 21:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | Guest6865: I think you're misusing the term Rolling Release, the closest thing to that in Debian is sid, which really isn't a release at all. |
| 21:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | Guest6865: Ubuntu recently clarified that it's release policy is NOT a rolling release either. |
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| 21:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | Guest6865: Testing isn't a rolling release in that it becomes segmented from sid and updates only according to the debian criteria. |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | !debian cut |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
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| 21:12.06 | jelly-home | !cut abrotman |
| 21:12.06 | dpkg | cuts abrotman in half with a dull blade! |
| 21:12.27 | jhutchins_lt | If you've ever had to maintan Gentoo for any length of time you understand the chaos that attempting a rolling release creates. |
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| 21:13.23 | stuckey_ | hi all |
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| 21:13.46 | Guest6865 | jhutchins_lt: that is true but if your sources.list uses testing then you are always system is always testing... regardless if the current testing release is sid, sarge, lenny... |
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| 21:14.15 | stuckey_ | i haven't ran aptitude upgrade in more than a month -- is there anything special I need to do? |
| 21:14.18 | Guest6865 | jhutchins_lt: ... is that correct? |
| 21:15.00 | stuckey_ | How do I change the display manager (e.g., xdm, to gdm)? |
| 21:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | Guest6865: It still jumps rather than rolls. |
| 21:15.36 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: more then true |
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| 21:16.09 | acemi | stuckey_: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
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| 21:16.23 | Guest6865 | jhutchins_lt: I have never used gentoo other than a frustrating failed install 3 or 4 years ago |
| 21:16.38 | acemi | after installing gmd |
| 21:16.45 | gizmore | ok, i got courier+mysql working.... how do i allow smtpd logins via mysql now? (preferrably same database/table)? |
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| 21:17.00 | gizmore | anyone got a hint/tutorial for me please? |
| 21:17.26 | gizmore | as smptd i use postfix |
| 21:17.42 | Guest6865 | jhutchins_lt: definitely true that as each new major release there is an enormous upgrade to the testing/stable release |
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| 21:18.05 | OperaFan | Hi, I am seeing the following error. Not sure what the best thing to do is: ldconfig: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 is not a symbolic link |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | did you compile libglib ? |
| 21:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | OperaFan: It would probably help to know what you're trying to do. |
| 21:18.34 | OperaFan | no compiler on the system, so no |
| 21:18.40 | jhutchins_lt | gizmore: I don't know of anyone doing that. |
| 21:18.51 | OperaFan | apt-get upgrade. |
| 21:18.52 | OperaFan | Removing libavcore0 |
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| 21:19.27 | abrotman | OperaFan: use a pastebin to show us |
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| 21:19.35 | acemi | gizmore: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny |
| 21:19.43 | gizmore | jhutchins_lt: how about to enter user:password in an extra sasl file? |
| 21:19.53 | gizmore | thx acemi, will read |
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| 21:19.58 | acemi | ok |
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| 21:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | gizmore: I've used dovecot to do the auth via pam. |
| 21:21.02 | stuckey_ | when does squeeze go stable? |
| 21:21.29 | OperaFan | http://pastebin.com/Xw5hvWGN |
| 21:21.42 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey_: When it meets the quality standards - that's one of the great things about debian. No arbitrary schedule. |
| 21:22.04 | abrotman | OperaFan: which version of debian ? |
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| 21:22.11 | stuckey_ | okay |
| 21:22.18 | OperaFan | squeeze |
| 21:22.56 | abrotman | OperaFan: apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 ; md5sum /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0* ... pastebin it |
| 21:22.57 | acemi | stuckey_: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ this is the bug count change graph |
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| 21:24.57 | OperaFan | http://pastebin.com/B7tjwL9H |
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| 21:26.45 | abrotman | OperaFan: aptitude reinstall libglib2.0-0 |
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| 21:29.48 | Pavlz | a wonderful news |
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| 21:30.12 | stuckey | news isn't a count noun, so don't use an article before it. |
| 21:30.22 | Pavlz | broadcom has decided to place a rootkit in the firmware of pci ethernet for end users windows |
| 21:30.40 | abrotman | Pavlz: do you have ANYTHING Debian related to say ? |
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| 21:32.04 | docgnome | hrm... i seem to have pulseaudio installed. is that the default on testing now, or was it pulled in when i wasn't looking? |
| 21:32.13 | abrotman | probably with gnome |
| 21:32.17 | docgnome | ah |
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| 21:32.26 | abrotman | just a guess .. docgnome :) |
| 21:32.29 | abrotman | docgnome: aptitude why foo |
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| 21:32.40 | docgnome | well, multiplexing doesn't work T_T |
| 21:32.55 | dutchfish | hi, how to obtain the list of mirrors d-i suggest on install time for a given country, after install time? |
| 21:33.06 | docgnome | huh. apparently by kde |
| 21:33.08 | abrotman | dutchfish: packages.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 21:34.27 | dutchfish | abrotman: 404 |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | sorry .. debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 21:35.26 | dutchfish | abrotman: nope, just 1 out of xxx |
| 21:35.33 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:35.43 | abrotman | that's the page .. you go there and pick one |
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| 21:36.43 | dutchfish | abrotman: ok, you are right, i should have phrased 'prgrammatically', thanks in front |
| 21:36.50 | docgnome | hrm... i seem to have alsa installed as well... Shouldn't i just have one or the other? |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | no, apt-setup is gone |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | dutchfish: you can use apt-spy and give it a region .. |
| 21:37.39 | dutchfish | abrotman: excellent ! thanks |
| 21:38.22 | abrotman | !tell dutchfish about apt-spy |
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| 21:39.53 | dutchfish | ty |
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| 21:44.30 | docgnome | hrmmmmm |
| 21:44.47 | stuckey | how can I tell which packages I have installed from experimental? |
| 21:44.50 | docgnome | well i killed alsa, but now my speakers crackle when i'm not playing anything |
| 21:45.41 | docgnome | actually it crackles all the time |
| 21:46.25 | docgnome | just hard to hear when i'm playing something. any ideas what's going on? |
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| 21:48.25 | docgnome | ah ha! It crackles when i try to play flash videos. |
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| 21:50.02 | stuckey | Can someone explain t his to me? http://paste.debian.net/100841/ what's gdm3? |
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| 21:50.35 | nginx | fuck off linux FREEBSD FTW |
| 21:50.46 | Dekkzter | lol |
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| 21:51.22 | nginx | visit freebsd.org!!! |
| 21:51.46 | dutchfish | abrotman: is it considered to be good practise to mark out the orginal lines in /etc/apt/sources.list except for security updates? |
| 21:52.05 | abrotman | dunno, never used it |
| 21:52.06 | acemi | stuckey: aptitude show gdm3 |
| 21:52.08 | dutchfish | abrotman: when using apt-spy |
| 21:52.17 | nginx | fuck off linux FREEBSD FTW |
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| 21:53.28 | stuckey | acemi: thanks |
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| 22:04.39 | Stava | Can I install Debian without a computer screen? :o Like an installation cd which starts an ssh server or similar? |
| 22:04.52 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 22:04.52 | dpkg | [ssh install] http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 22:05.49 | Stava | thanks |
| 22:05.58 | Stava | This seems like more work than just plugging in a screen though :p |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | probably :) |
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| 22:11.17 | Soothsayer | i have a tar which has the permissions for the files within it as well |
| 22:11.21 | Soothsayer | how do i untar without the permissions ? |
| 22:11.37 | Soothsayer | wich is the right option to use ? |
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| 22:13.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Soothsayer: man page will tell you |
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| 22:31.13 | docgnome | gah. how do i permanently disable the x bell? |
| 22:31.38 | giant_g2 | I need to do an interview with a computer science professional for a school report. Anybody here able and willing to help me? |
| 22:32.49 | Bop | giant_g2, what level ? |
| 22:32.55 | docgnome | giant_g2: depends on what you mean by computer science professional |
| 22:33.29 | giant_g2 | programmer, database admin, analysts, etc |
| 22:33.50 | Bop | what country ? |
| 22:34.44 | giant_g2 | Preferably in the US but it doesn't really matter |
| 22:34.56 | Bop | how many questions ? |
| 22:35.07 | giant_g2 | About 15 |
| 22:35.23 | Bop | u just need one report ? |
| 22:35.24 | jelly-home | "I Interviewed a Bearded Lady Admin from Elbonia" |
| 22:36.06 | giant_g2 | I need to write a 4 page report about what I learned in the interview |
| 22:36.53 | docgnome | giant_g2: i'll do it. |
| 22:37.00 | giant_g2 | awesome |
| 22:37.09 | Bop | ill do it too |
| 22:37.09 | docgnome | :-) |
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| 22:43.09 | octocpp | how can i figure out what app is on a port if the pid is not listed ? |
| 22:43.18 | octocpp | tcp 0 0 *:54688 *:* LISTEN - |
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| 22:47.51 | naphex | octocpp: I think you can find out with: fuser 54688/tcp |
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| 22:50.11 | octocpp | naphex: that shows nothing :( |
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| 22:51.41 | jelly-home | octocpp: use the -p option for netstat, and run it as root |
| 22:52.00 | octocpp | i did , it shows a dash for that PID |
| 22:52.04 | naphex | octocpp: fuser as root works also |
| 22:52.11 | jelly-home | octocpp: you did run it as root? |
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| 22:52.17 | octocpp | yea |
| 22:52.33 | jelly-home | octocpp: is this a physical machine or some sort of virtualized environment? |
| 22:52.35 | octocpp | netstat -anlp | grep LIST |
| 22:52.42 | octocpp | physical |
| 22:52.51 | jelly-home | "should work" |
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| 22:54.13 | jelly-home | octocpp: also, it might be managed via portmap -- rpcinfo -p ? |
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| 22:59.33 | octocpp | jelly-home: doesnt seem to be portmapper |
| 22:59.35 | octocpp | hmm |
| 23:00.31 | cbos0211 | exit |
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| 23:04.08 | codebeaker | hi all, question about having installed scponly on a Debian box that I inherited - first time through I got an interactive setup script "would you like to install the setguid binary to ......" - on a reinstall however, I don't get the script (I want to change my mind about options) |
| 23:04.15 | Mowee | salut ^^ |
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| 23:05.05 | lenswipe | guys |
| 23:05.12 | lenswipe | i think i might have some sort of virus |
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| 23:05.42 | lenswipe | when im on facebook IM i keep getting messages saying :-] Your friend just sent something cool. Go to http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=116318625062183&v=app_4949752878&partner=ZNzfb002_ZVxdm006YYGB |
| 23:05.47 | lenswipe | and they only appear to me |
| 23:06.01 | GNU\colossus | codebeaker, try `dpkg-reconfigure -plow scponly` |
| 23:07.17 | codebeaker | cool, thanks -- that reinvokes the menu, regrettably setting `no` doesn't remove /usr/sbin/scponlyc whoch is setuid -- but i can fix that, and tweak /etc/shells |
| 23:07.53 | cbos0211 | 1 |
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| 23:11.12 | treelin | can someone recommend a linux vps based out of europe? |
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| 23:15.10 | octocpp | jelly-home: it was nfsd kernel thread |
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| 23:34.10 | kristianpaul | Hello |
| 23:34.59 | kristianpaul | What's the safest way of install another version of automake and autoconf in debian squeeze without disturb current autotools installation ? |
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| 23:42.07 | macdice | how can i tell if/when postgresql-9.0 might reach squeeze or squeeze-backports? |
| 23:43.18 | macdice | http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/postgresql-9.0.html says 'too young, 8 of 10 days old' which is hopeful except there are other reasons listed too including 'not considered' |
| 23:44.07 | tharkun | macdice: if postgres is not in squeeze on this moment. You need some luck and wait for backports to have it when squeeze becomes stable |
| 23:44.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | macdice: if its not in squeeze now it won't be |
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| 23:46.01 | macdice | ah i see, thanks. so backports is the only hope then |
| 23:46.18 | tharkun | ,versions postgresql |
| 23:46.22 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.11-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze1; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.5-2; sid: 9.0.1-1; sid: 9.0.1-2 |
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| 23:57.53 | abrotman | !tell meowz about root |
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