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| 00:08.46 | zac314159 | how do I submit bug reports for debian squeeze? |
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| 00:09.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell zac314159 -about reportbug |
| 00:09.41 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 00:11.50 | zac314159 | thanks |
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| 00:27.29 | rgr | whats the name of the network-manager applet/status for the gnome taskbar? I cant seem to find it. Should it be there automatically? (squeeze) |
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| 00:28.16 | chovy | anyone know if there is software to convert hdtv signal to analog for older tvs? |
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| 00:32.03 | thewanderer1 | chovy: there sure is! or rather, firmware. embedded in those tiny boxes you get at ebay :P |
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| 00:32.27 | thewanderer1 | rgr: nm-applet |
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| 00:35.04 | rgr | thanks |
| 00:35.17 | rgr | its not in the "add to panel" optios though |
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| 00:38.15 | rgr | thewanderer1: what can I run to configure which wireless access point I use? There is nothing in the gnome panel that I can see. |
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| 00:39.04 | thewanderer1 | rgr: I don't understand the question... you set the ESSID normally in nm-applet's preferences |
| 00:39.43 | rgr | there is no nm-applet visible. It used to be. |
| 00:39.52 | rgr | synaptic says its installed. |
| 00:41.16 | Mr_Queue | Any one have a repo for chrome unstable? |
| 00:42.08 | Mr_Queue | I have deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable all currently, but I'd like access to daily builds. |
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| 00:42.26 | emerson | can I install freepascal using the backports ? |
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| 00:44.19 | emerson | ? |
| 00:44.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | emerson: have you looked at the backports site? |
| 00:44.48 | rgr | and there is no nm-applet in the repos according to synaptic. |
| 00:45.14 | emerson | Kamping_Kaiser: not yet, I even don't know that has one ... |
| 00:45.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell emerson about backports |
| 00:45.31 | rgr | locate nm-applet |
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| 00:47.20 | smacnay | I have a samba share with a bunch of symlinked directories. For some reason, users cannot follow the symlinks even though the "follow symlinks" option is set to "yes". Is there a trick to getting symlinks to work? |
| 00:50.28 | rgr | trying to run nm-apple results in command not found. Snyaptic cant find it. What next? |
| 00:51.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | rgr: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nm-applet&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 01:06.14 | shalok | Is there a non-adobe flash player for iceweasel? |
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| 01:06.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: gnash |
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| 01:07.22 | dvs | doesnt work with youtube though |
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| 01:09.56 | ttiicc | I just installed the testing version, how can I install flash? |
| 01:09.59 | shalok | What does konqueror use to play flash? I though it might be using the adobe player using nsplugins, but I don't even have the adobe flash player installed... |
| 01:10.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | dvs: works in squeeze (until adobe break everything agin) |
| 01:10.07 | ttiicc | the testing version of debian |
| 01:10.26 | dvs | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm using squeeze |
| 01:10.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dvs: so am i |
| 01:11.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, but what browser am i using *checks* |
| 01:11.15 | dvs | i must be missing a decoder |
| 01:12.13 | ttiicc | I just want to be able to watch flash movies on my browser, what should I do? |
| 01:12.30 | ttiicc | hand over the commands would be appreciated ! |
| 01:12.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | dvs: ok, just tested again. works in gnu icecat (whatever old version i'm using), but not in debian iceweasel :/ |
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| 01:13.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttiicc: you should be patient, and perhaps even a little less pushy |
| 01:13.16 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:13.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if i should file a bug on iceweasel, or comment on an existing on if it exists |
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| 01:14.44 | ttiicc | I thought installing flash would be easy in these environment |
| 01:14.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: flash |
| 01:14.58 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 01:15.09 | ttiicc | guess I'll have to google for it |
| 01:15.29 | dvs | mentor: stop it or we'll call an op. ;-) |
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| 01:16.58 | mentor | blames hardware |
| 01:17.05 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:21.05 | shalok | Is there a non-adobe pdf plugin for firefox? |
| 01:21.22 | shalok | atm my browser always open okular standalone. |
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| 01:28.23 | rotaticus | my rootfs broke and lost some files, now i'm trying to locate what files where damaged, to replace them ... any hints? |
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| 01:29.14 | thatstupidkid | I want to install a debian system from a usb. Is there a special ISO file that i need to use, or can I use a cd/dvd image? And how can I do this? |
| 01:29.23 | nsadmin | the first hint, I would think, is restore from your backup |
| 01:29.47 | nsadmin | !usb install |
| 01:29.47 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 01:30.57 | rotaticus | i tryed aptitude reinstall '~i' but that didn't work out |
| 01:31.25 | allure | could anyone revise the iptables rules I made for a gateway with a few forwardings? it is on http://pastebin.com/ZR6xFbMs . Thank you |
| 01:31.54 | nsadmin | and first you tried restoring from the backup you made today because you have a comprehensive backup plan you run daily? |
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| 01:32.28 | allure | I wonder if it'll work... :) |
| 01:32.36 | rotaticus | nope ... my backup is nonexistent |
| 01:33.33 | nsadmin | ok, so then that hint will inform your next "disaster" (but it wasn't much of a disaster I guess) |
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| 01:35.26 | nsadmin | allure: google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" for the structure of the incoming/outgoing packet paths going thru your machine, and for how to make iptables rules, and strategies for rulesets |
| 01:35.31 | rotaticus | the box is still running |
| 01:35.39 | nsadmin | allure: otherwise... is this a job offer? |
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| 01:36.17 | allure | hmm ok... thank you nsadmin |
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| 01:38.47 | rotaticus | only files from deb packages were damaged ... so i'm trying to locate packages whoms files are not there to reinstall that package ... is there a way? |
| 01:39.12 | dondelelcaro | rotaticus: just reinstall all of the packages |
| 01:39.20 | dondelelcaro | rotaticus: easier than trying to figure out what is broken |
| 01:39.46 | dondelelcaro | rotaticus: aptitude reinstall '~i'; will do it for you |
| 01:40.11 | rotaticus | dondelelcaro: nope that didnt help ... |
| 01:40.27 | rotaticus | Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
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| 01:41.10 | nsadmin | maybe the first packages to try reinstalling is dpkg and aptitude |
| 01:41.28 | thatstupidkid | where can i find the hd-media/boot.img.gz file? |
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| 01:43.02 | rotaticus | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 01:43.13 | rotaticus | again :( |
| 01:43.44 | nsadmin | did you build your kernel? |
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| 01:44.08 | rotaticus | nah just added the nvidia stuff |
| 01:44.20 | rotaticus | s/stuff/module |
| 01:44.25 | nsadmin | ok... what's your uname -r? |
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| 01:45.00 | rotaticus | fits ... 2.6.32-5-486 |
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| 01:46.08 | nsadmin | do you run a 486 box? |
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| 01:46.55 | rotaticus | no not exactly ... but it works xD |
| 01:47.04 | nsadmin | what cpu is it? |
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| 01:47.30 | rotaticus | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ |
| 01:47.34 | nsadmin | yes, understood that the 486 one could work fine |
| 01:48.10 | nsadmin | you might be able to run a 686 kernel |
| 01:48.13 | dvs | rotaticus: 686 would be better |
| 01:48.28 | nsadmin | and you might be able to run amd64, but not sure on that |
| 01:49.15 | nsadmin | going from 486 to 686 will get you much further performancewise than going from 686 to amd64 |
| 01:49.16 | rotaticus | but before that package there was libdns66 and more with that error |
| 01:49.46 | nsadmin | are there .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 01:50.19 | rotaticus | about 7Gb ... yes |
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| 01:51.36 | nsadmin | are there two files that match dpkg_* and aptitude_*? |
| 01:51.43 | nsadmin | in that dir |
| 01:52.05 | rotaticus | i just reinstalled them 30s ago ... yes there are |
| 01:52.16 | nsadmin | using dpkg? |
| 01:52.29 | rotaticus | uhm no aptitude |
| 01:52.43 | nsadmin | which did not have to download them again, right? |
| 01:52.54 | rotaticus | right |
| 01:53.14 | nsadmin | well I wouldn't reboot |
| 01:53.41 | nsadmin | things may be working now but I doubt you can reboot at least at this moment |
| 01:53.52 | nsadmin | how/why did this happen if you know? |
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| 01:56.10 | rotaticus | hm let's see ... i rebooted and fsck showed me errors and DID boot but now i'm unsure |
| 01:56.45 | nsadmin | so you're possibly looking at replacing the drive... |
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| 01:58.06 | rotaticus | i just want to replace the missing files ... if possible |
| 02:00.38 | thatstupidkid | Help, I am stuck at the 4.3.2.2 step of the USB installer: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 02:00.53 | thatstupidkid | I need to know where to get those two files |
| 02:01.47 | dvs | thatstupidkid: section 4.2.1? |
| 02:01.55 | thatstupidkid | 4.3.2.2 |
| 02:02.19 | dvs | slaps his forehead |
| 02:03.02 | nsadmin | HEY! Who keeps slapping my forehead?! |
| 02:03.16 | rotaticus | thatstupidkid: unetbootin helped me alot with usb |
| 02:03.26 | dvs | Section 4.2.1, “Where to Find Installation Images” |
| 02:03.46 | thatstupidkid | i tried it but i cant seem to get it to work |
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| 02:04.12 | thatstupidkid | dvs oh im am really stupid, sorry about that |
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| 02:04.55 | dvs | unslaps his forehead |
| 02:06.46 | rotaticus | is dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/* the solution? |
| 02:07.48 | nsadmin | well *.deb (if you're going to try that) |
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| 02:08.04 | rotaticus | everything should be there, since the installation i never did a aptitude clean, so theres a alot of "old" stuff |
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| 02:16.40 | metalfoo | Someone is using Virtualbox? Does Virtualbox support the same base image for multiple virtual machines and tracking differences only, e.g. like LVM's snapshot? |
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| 02:28.37 | maher | anyone using horde3 on squeeze? |
| 02:29.34 | thatstupidkid | I am in the USB setup tutorial. When it says copy the files (in step 4.3.2.2), do I right click and copy, or do I do something else? |
| 02:30.01 | thatstupidkid | URL to tutorial: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 02:32.33 | maher | thatstupidkid: just copy them as files |
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| 02:33.44 | thatstupidkid | maher: so like copy and paste, right? |
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| 02:35.33 | maher | thatstupidkid: i just use cp to copy files - what do you do? |
| 02:36.26 | thatstupidkid | I have two seperat windows and I drag and drop from one to the other |
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| 02:37.21 | maher | thatstupidkid: ok - that should probaly work |
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| 02:38.01 | thatstupidkid | maher: ok thanks |
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| 02:45.30 | thatstupidkid | when creating the syslinux.cfg file, I created an empty file and edited with gedit to the specs of the tutorial. Is this right? |
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| 02:47.06 | maher | thatstupidkid: yes |
| 02:48.50 | thatstupidkid | ok |
| 02:50.43 | NOMADICUS | Hello all. |
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| 02:52.11 | NOMADICUS | I am having difficulty piping usb devices through VirtualBox. Are there any special adjustments that need to me made in order for it to work as intended? |
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| 02:54.09 | thatstupidkid | I tried looking for an mbr package but could not find one, where can it be? |
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| 02:56.07 | maher | thatstupidkid: there is an mbr package |
| 02:56.24 | thatstupidkid | maher: where |
| 02:56.42 | maher | aptitude install mbr <--- should install it |
| 02:56.51 | thatstupidkid | ok |
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| 02:58.46 | emerson | sorry but do I install a program using the terminal.. |
| 02:59.13 | emerson | I mean how do I install a program using the terminal.. |
| 03:00.19 | maher | emerson: which program would you like to install? |
| 03:00.56 | thatstupidkid | apperently the fedora repository doesn't have it, where can I get it for this repository? |
| 03:01.00 | emerson | maher: freepascal |
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| 03:01.44 | maher | emerson: do you mean gpc? |
| 03:02.40 | emerson | now I mean freepascal ... I tryed to use gpc but I'm struggling to use it .. |
| 03:03.45 | maher | emerson: freepascal does not seem to be packaged for debian |
| 03:03.46 | emerson | maher: I could compile once but now I can't anymore I think I'm missing something ..but freepascal is more straightforward... |
| 03:04.46 | maher | emerson: did you download something? |
| 03:05.35 | emerson | maher: yes I did ( fpc_2.4.2.orig.tar.gz) |
| 03:05.58 | maher | emerson: ok - they have debs on their website - grab one of those |
| 03:06.33 | emerson | maher: I got this one already in my desktop area.. |
| 03:07.06 | maher | emerson: that's a tarball - you want the .deb files - dl them and install them with dpkg -i <filename> |
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| 03:10.52 | thatstupidkid | maher: the mbr package is not available in the fedora repository, is there something else that will work? |
| 03:11.38 | emerson | maher: so now how shall I install it ? |
| 03:12.26 | maher | thatstupidkid: there must be some fedora equivalent... |
| 03:12.42 | maher | emerson: type: dpkg -i <files> at the command line |
| 03:16.51 | emerson | maher: havea look on this http://paste.linux-vserver.org/18384 |
| 03:18.50 | emerson | maher: did you see it ? |
| 03:20.02 | maher | emerson: did you get the filename correct - use tab completion - probably desktop |
| 03:20.10 | maher | emerson: did you get the filename correct - use tab completion - probably Desktop i mean |
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| 03:22.30 | emerson | maher: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/18385 |
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| 03:23.21 | maher | emerson: download all of the fp...debs |
| 03:23.52 | emerson | maher: what ? you mean all of them ? |
| 03:25.08 | emerson | maher:ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/2.4.2/x86_64-linux/deb/ |
| 03:25.20 | emerson | maher: too many... |
| 03:25.28 | emerson | maher: are you sure ? |
| 03:26.12 | maher | emerson: well you will at least need fp-units-trl.... |
| 03:27.18 | emerson | maher: is around 30 you wanna I donwload all and repeat the same process ? |
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| 03:29.20 | maher | emerson: can't you tell your ftp client to just download them all? |
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| 03:29.44 | emerson | maher: I don't know .. |
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| 03:32.48 | maher | emerson: try: wget -r ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/2.4.2/x86_64-linux/deb/ |
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| 03:34.35 | maher | emerson: oops - this is better: wget -r -nd ftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/2.4.2/x86_64-linux/deb/ |
| 03:36.58 | emerson | maher: doesn't go .. |
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| 03:58.20 | RicKyRocK | how i can forward all virtual email to my gmail account ? I use exim |
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| 04:02.33 | somnambulant | anyone know of a cli daap-capable client? |
| 04:03.38 | Testa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.45 | Testa | ouuuchhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:03.57 | Testa | thats hard |
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| 04:12.55 | fignew | Who's Ashline? |
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| 04:17.14 | chovy | lol |
| 04:17.54 | chovy | better change 'em all. |
| 04:18.33 | RicKyRocK | how i can forward all virtual email to my gmail account ? I use exim |
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| 04:19.26 | fignew | RicKyRocK: what do you mean by virtual? |
| 04:19.41 | fignew | local? |
| 04:20.40 | KB1JWQ | RicKyRocK: I think you should crosspost a few more places and not pay attention to the replies. |
| 04:21.28 | fignew | lol, thanks KB1JWQ. |
| 04:21.34 | fignew | is that your callsign? |
| 04:21.38 | KB1JWQ | fignew: Yes. |
| 04:21.48 | fignew | cool |
| 04:21.55 | KB1JWQ | I'm just annoyed with him asking the same question over and over and ignoring people who try to help or tell him he's in the wrong place. |
| 04:22.05 | kj4 | <--AK4AF |
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| 04:25.46 | faheem | hi. i'm in the process of upgrading from lenny to squeeze. i'm getting prompted with an upgrade-grub screen. i don't want to upgrade, but i'm not sure what the choices mean. Chainload from menu.lst? yes/no |
| 04:26.05 | faheem | does no mean it will replace grub with grub2 and not chainload, or not replace at all? i want the latter option |
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| 04:34.15 | chovy | RicKyRocK: are you looking to have your debian box use gmail for it's email provider? |
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| 04:43.40 | homie | who did remove, rv5-xx based cards from testings fglrx-driver ? |
| 04:44.08 | homie | the driver does not even unpack, or find a fglrx.ko until i build the kernel source for it |
| 04:44.19 | homie | but then the kernel source does not work too |
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| 05:05.29 | kj4 | happy Saturday |
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| 06:46.51 | blast_hardcheese | Has anyone tried to install DotCMS under Debian? I'm trying to use the plain-jane Postgres config that ships with it, but it completely fails to connect to the server |
| 06:47.28 | blast_hardcheese | I just cleared the logs, running again to paste what happens |
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| 06:58.45 | _____________ | debian is the best |
| 06:59.10 | _____________ | afte over 10 years of using all kinds of distro, I always come back to debian |
| 06:59.40 | blast_hardcheese | Now I'm getting a completely different and seemingly unrelated issue, so I'll try to solve that first. |
| 06:59.48 | valajbeg | hello, how to make my location bar in nautilus look like a path not like buttons? |
| 07:00.24 | Pinchiukas | If I have a 64bit machine, it's EFI? |
| 07:00.58 | simonrvn | Pinchiukas: depeds |
| 07:01.01 | simonrvn | depends* |
| 07:01.08 | pallgone | _____________: well, debian is like 10 years behind so that's not a surprise ;) |
| 07:01.18 | simonrvn | valajbeg: preferences, might need to use "Configuration Editor" |
| 07:01.32 | kj4 | _____________: a lot less homos in debian than arch, too. which is a plus |
| 07:01.36 | Pinchiukas | simonrvn: on what? |
| 07:01.49 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to install grub that'd boot linux on LVM. |
| 07:02.13 | _____________ | kj4: lol |
| 07:02.16 | blast_hardcheese | valajbeg: I had to edit something in gconf-editor |
| 07:02.20 | blast_hardcheese | No idea what though |
| 07:02.29 | _____________ | kj4: what are you doing AWAKE! |
| 07:02.33 | valajbeg | ou shit, i didn't even know for this |
| 07:02.46 | simonrvn | Pinchiukas: check your hardware manual. sorry i can't be more helpful. |
| 07:02.49 | blast_hardcheese | I don't use nautilus for anything anymore, so I wouldn't know ;) |
| 07:02.53 | kj4 | _____________: don't ban me here, i like this channel |
| 07:03.06 | simonrvn | !tell kj4 -about gay |
| 07:03.10 | valajbeg | thank you blast_hardcheese and simonrvn |
| 07:03.18 | blast_hardcheese | valajbeg: good luck :) |
| 07:03.36 | blast_hardcheese | I'm stumbling along trying to understand how Arch users get anything done |
| 07:04.09 | Pinchiukas | simonrvn: it's a dedicated server at a hosting company. :) |
| 07:04.14 | _____________ | kj4: thought you needed to sleep! |
| 07:04.23 | simonrvn | Pinchiukas: ah well, then ask them |
| 07:04.50 | kj4 | _____________: i do- thanks |
| 07:04.52 | Pinchiukas | simonrvn: I can log on to a woking linux system (kind of a livecd) on that machine. |
| 07:08.14 | peterrooney | blast_hardcheese: maybe they don't |
| 07:09.09 | blast_hardcheese | peterrooney: I'd be inclined to believe it, pacman is useless compared to aptitude |
| 07:10.38 | MrWGW | blast_hardcheese: hey there |
| 07:11.06 | blast_hardcheese | MrWGW: howdy |
| 07:11.23 | MrWGW | you are the blast_hardcheese of which I am acquainted presumably? |
| 07:11.34 | blast_hardcheese | Only one blast_hardcheese per network |
| 07:12.19 | blast_hardcheese | plus I'm identified, that would be tricky to spoof |
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| 07:13.43 | MrWGW | good stuff |
| 07:14.36 | blast_hardcheese | Trying to get Diaspora configured on arch, quite amusing. |
| 07:14.54 | MrWGW | diaspora is that crap social networking tool right? |
| 07:15.05 | blast_hardcheese | s/crap/extremely alpha/ |
| 07:15.40 | blast_hardcheese | I was told by someone in #diaspora that there was a package available in Arch already, I'm guessing there's some kind of joke there, since arch takes a ports-like attitude to non-binary packages |
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| 07:16.07 | MrWGW | but does it real;ly matter? |
| 07:16.28 | MrWGW | gwibber btw |
| 07:16.31 | MrWGW | is grotesque |
| 07:16.35 | MrWGW | at least diaspora has a decent name |
| 07:16.47 | MrWGW | actually; I just remembered what diaspora is, and its non-crap |
| 07:17.03 | MrWGW | I was confusing it with gwibber; diaspora is actually IIRC that open source distributed social network ,which is good stuff |
| 07:17.24 | blast_hardcheese | It's written in Ruby though, which makes it kind of unfortunate. |
| 07:17.32 | MrWGW | that does in fact suck |
| 07:17.35 | blast_hardcheese | and to keep it on-topic, I've installed it under Debian! |
| 07:17.57 | MrWGW | so I just installed Solaris 11 Express for my ZFS demo on a USB HD attached to my ThinkPad x301 |
| 07:18.08 | MrWGW | to keep that on topic, it didn't disrupt my Ubuntu install or its bootloader |
| 07:18.11 | MrWGW | which is kind ofs ort of not really Debian |
| 07:18.19 | blast_hardcheese | Let's take this to the other channel, ;) |
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| 07:18.54 | Lonniebiz | What is the official process for requesting a driver in Linux? |
| 07:19.11 | blast_hardcheese | Start reading up on Kernel hacking ;) |
| 07:19.25 | Lonniebiz | I need a USB video card that will work in Linux and no drivers seem to exit for any USB video cards. |
| 07:19.44 | Lonniebiz | exist (I mean) |
| 07:19.53 | MrWGW | I'm pretty certain that one does |
| 07:19.57 | MrWGW | because I looked into that years ago |
| 07:20.02 | Lonniebiz | really. hmm |
| 07:20.10 | MrWGW | but remember btw that actually usb video cards are crap |
| 07:20.12 | Lonniebiz | I'd gladly buy the one that is supported. |
| 07:20.43 | Lonniebiz | Just googling, I haven't come across anyone that says they have a USB video card running on linux. |
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| 07:20.55 | MrWGW | and why do you want to run one again btw? |
| 07:20.59 | MrWGW | I mean they really are vile |
| 07:21.10 | MrWGW | I looked into using one but then realized how stupid it owuld be |
| 07:21.16 | Lonniebiz | I'm not going to be gaming on it, is crap for email use too? |
| 07:21.24 | MrWGW | its crap for any use |
| 07:21.28 | MrWGW | its a shitty way of getitng graphics |
| 07:21.31 | MrWGW | usb is slow and cpu intensive |
| 07:21.58 | Lonniebiz | Well, my laptop's internal video card won't support me running a vga and hdmi at the same time. |
| 07:22.14 | Lonniebiz | So I'm looking for other solutions that will allow me to run 2 external monitors. |
| 07:22.56 | MrWGW | yI'd get a desktop at that point |
| 07:23.20 | Lonniebiz | It can see all 3 monitors (the 2 external and the laptop's), but it can't run them all at the same time). |
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| 07:23.54 | blast_hardcheese | That's odd. |
| 07:24.00 | blast_hardcheese | you'd think that would just work |
| 07:24.22 | Lonniebiz | I see what you mean, but I like to beable to dock my laptop between two external monitor's in my office, and have all that screen real estate before me. |
| 07:24.52 | Lonniebiz | Well, the video card in the laptop can juice it. |
| 07:25.17 | MrWGW | in genearl my view is laptop docking, well,. I personally don't like it |
| 07:25.26 | MrWGW | I do have a dockable laptop but I've always been meh'd out by the whole experience |
| 07:25.35 | Lonniebiz | I have a Dell Studio 17, and I read on yahoo answers, that people with windows can't run both too. |
| 07:25.43 | MrWGW | its probably stupid DRM shit |
| 07:25.45 | MrWGW | because its HDMI |
| 07:26.00 | MrWGW | just get a nice workstation with displayport |
| 07:26.13 | Lonniebiz | oh, crazy. |
| 07:26.24 | Lonniebiz | $ |
| 07:26.31 | MrWGW | nah they're cheap |
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| 07:27.21 | Lonniebiz | Well, maybe you're right. But, I like having all my files with me portable. |
| 07:27.41 | Lonniebiz | I'll have to do syching and stuff between the laptop and work station if I do that. |
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| 07:28.31 | Lonniebiz | even if usb video is crappy, the monitor hooked up in that way, would just be display email and instant messaging (pidgin). |
| 07:28.49 | Lonniebiz | So, for that use, I can't imagine it being that crappy. |
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| 07:29.39 | Lonniebiz | thanks for the discussion |
| 07:30.27 | homie | anyone useing 3d accel with ati fglrx driver in testing/squeeze ? |
| 07:30.50 | homie | or rather anyone using that driver in squeeze ? |
| 07:31.14 | homie | i just want to know if it works for others |
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| 07:38.55 | debianoob | how do i know what is installed when i check off metapackages... is there a list of these meta somewhere? |
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| 07:49.57 | peterrooney | debianoob: tasksel --list-tasks; tasksel --task-packages <task> |
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| 07:52.44 | debianoob | peterrooney: thank you vm..!! |
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| 07:57.32 | debianoob | when setting up sudo, add to sudo group not hweel? |
| 07:57.37 | debianoob | wheel* |
| 07:58.18 | homie | no use visudo |
| 07:58.25 | homie | and edit |
| 07:58.44 | homie | there's on wheel group on debian per default |
| 07:58.48 | homie | at least not on mine |
| 07:59.03 | homie | s/on/no/ |
| 07:59.24 | debianoob | okay i know to use visudo.. |
| 08:00.18 | debianoob | on Debian it seems sudo group exists, but not wheel... I thought i added to wheel group in past... |
| 08:01.02 | debianoob | ok i thoughtthey're on wheel group |
| 08:01.10 | debianoob | you said 'no' wheel |
| 08:01.13 | debianoob | gotcha |
| 08:01.45 | debianoob | ok i see correction lol |
| 08:01.52 | debianoob | thank you |
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| 08:12.32 | phaer | I've installed squeeze on an asus eeepc 901 with an intel 945GME video chip but when i try to start xorg it tells me "No kernel mode setting driver detected". I guess that has something to do with KMS, but the /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf file seems to be correct. suggestions? |
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| 08:13.10 | debianoob | check xorg.log? |
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| 08:13.37 | debianoob | less /var/log/Xorg.log|grep EE |
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| 08:13.56 | simonrvn | um, just grep is fine... |
| 08:14.21 | debianoob | okay yea |
| 08:14.37 | simonrvn | besides, did you actually try that ? |
| 08:14.38 | debianoob | grep /var/log/Xorg.log EE |
| 08:14.40 | debianoob | ? |
| 08:15.11 | simonrvn | grep EE filename |
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| 08:15.23 | debianoob | ok ty |
| 08:15.41 | simonrvn | man grep for more info |
| 08:15.47 | simonrvn | you're welcome |
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| 08:17.04 | debianoob | have typed that tonight... didn't click |
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| 08:20.32 | rubin110 | Is there some site that does reviews on how well distros, like Debian, run on certain hardware? And possibly contains a list like the top ten current machines that have decent hardware compatability out of the box? |
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| 08:20.50 | debianoob | rubin110: |
| 08:20.56 | debianoob | is it a laptop? |
| 08:21.04 | rubin110 | Currently, laptop yes. |
| 08:21.10 | debianoob | in any case... |
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| 08:21.21 | debianoob | debian id good choice |
| 08:21.39 | rubin110 | But there have been other times where I needed to order a bunch of towers to do some server like stuff. |
| 08:21.42 | rubin110 | Um. |
| 08:21.45 | debianoob | what is the GPU? |
| 08:21.47 | rubin110 | I know Debian is a good choice. :) |
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| 08:22.02 | debianoob | that imho is the deciding factor |
| 08:22.15 | rubin110 | I'm talking about which laptops on the market right now run Debian without too much hassle of getting thigns setup. |
| 08:22.24 | debianoob | most |
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| 08:22.56 | debianoob | more than other distros except maybe laptop distros which are probably based on debian |
| 08:23.31 | debianoob | make sure your GPU is _well_ supported |
| 08:23.41 | debianoob | otherwise you will have pain |
| 08:24.23 | rubin110 | God damn it why am I so addicted to Adobe's nipple. |
| 08:24.44 | debianoob | the way God intended? |
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| 08:25.14 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: most servers (i.e. desktops without GPU/WiFi/strange hardware) will run out of the box |
| 08:25.27 | debianoob | i have a 'dell' laptop... |
| 08:25.57 | thewanderer1 | rubin110: in case of laptops, search the Web for "linux on laptops" |
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| 08:26.07 | debianoob | i could not install cent os 5.4 |
| 08:26.08 | thewanderer1 | there was also this HCL... |
| 08:26.11 | thewanderer1 | !hcl |
| 08:26.11 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 08:26.30 | debianoob | most other stuff is ok |
| 08:27.07 | rubin110 | Isn't there a list on the Debian wiki? |
| 08:27.25 | debianoob | probably not... reason being... |
| 08:27.31 | debianoob | too many |
| 08:27.35 | thewanderer1 | it changes too frequently to maintain it on the wiki, too |
| 08:27.40 | thewanderer1 | see the HCL |
| 08:28.07 | rubin110 | Uh. |
| 08:28.08 | rubin110 | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn |
| 08:28.33 | debianoob | i like the idea.. |
| 08:28.44 | debianoob | probably not complete/up to date |
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| 08:29.07 | debianoob | good news is... |
| 08:29.17 | debianoob | things are better than ever |
| 08:29.38 | debianoob | for Linux on notebooks or whatever they are called now |
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| 08:31.06 | debianoob | hcl still essential, but more chances than not you will get lucky and most things will 'just work' |
| 08:31.24 | rubin110 | Lenovo updated their site. |
| 08:31.56 | rubin110 | Man, I miss the ThinkPad keyboards. |
| 08:31.57 | debianoob | use to be tough to build a desktop Linux box... ugh |
| 08:32.41 | debianoob | what the keyboards themselves? |
| 08:33.11 | debianoob | my 'dell' keyboard does not like drinks spillage |
| 08:33.23 | debianoob | very 'resistant' |
| 08:33.41 | debianoob | it starts not working |
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| 08:34.20 | debianoob | lets stay ot... |
| 08:34.47 | debianoob | reason i saked the metapackage question... |
| 08:34.54 | rubin110 | Dell's garbage, in my expierence. |
| 08:35.05 | debianoob | i /did install [*]laptop... |
| 08:35.13 | debianoob | what if i didn't tho... |
| 08:35.27 | rubin110 | I try my best to stay away from their hardware wherever I work. |
| 08:35.48 | rubin110 | Wow, I can get an X serries ThinkPad with an i7 now. |
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| 08:36.18 | debianoob | i agree, in this case i got used for 75 bux used, had class action lawsuit, mobo replaced... |
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| 08:36.42 | debianoob | then sound card headphone jack burnt out again..... |
| 08:36.58 | debianoob | still runnin strong til cap leaks |
| 08:37.18 | debianoob | p4 2.66ghz |
| 08:37.22 | debianoob | 2gb ram |
| 08:37.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps this could go to -offtoic |
| 08:37.51 | debianoob | yea sry folks |
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| 08:38.44 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 08:38.51 | debianoob | <OT>... |
| 08:39.00 | debianoob | dont get me started |
| 08:39.08 | debianoob | </OT> |
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| 08:44.18 | debianoob | general question: what is better for cloning Debian? vbox or vmware? |
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| 08:44.56 | pixie | "cloning"? as in the entire disk? |
| 08:44.58 | pixie | just use dd |
| 08:45.36 | debianoob | yea make copy of disk.. but in virtual environment |
| 08:45.53 | debianoob | vbox? |
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| 08:46.23 | debianoob | reason i ask her e is some distros are not going to work |
| 08:46.57 | debianoob | i a assume vbox is ok |
| 08:47.19 | debianoob | i have no virtualization on my cpu... |
| 08:48.43 | debianoob | vbox will not even boot redhat iso |
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| 08:50.48 | debianoob | i cannot think of any more questions. |
| 08:51.02 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone know how to correct a 403 error in Apache2's configs so my webserver can xmit txt files? |
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| 08:52.02 | debianoob | what happens when you type in url/*.txt |
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| 08:52.27 | phaer | Mikaze: I guess so. Does www-data have read permissions on your file? |
| 08:52.35 | Mikaze | It gives me a 403 error, saying I don't have permission to access the file. |
| 08:52.49 | debianoob | just wanted to make sure ok... |
| 08:53.01 | Mikaze | looks. brb |
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| 08:53.22 | debianoob | not that exact string.. :D |
| 08:53.30 | debianoob | ofc |
| 08:53.40 | Mikaze | -rw-r--r-- |
| 08:53.50 | debianoob | ok... hmm |
| 08:53.57 | siriusnova | debian is named after deborah |
| 08:54.00 | debianoob | it apache conf issue |
| 08:54.02 | debianoob | ? |
| 08:54.17 | Mikaze | S'what I thought. |
| 08:54.18 | debianoob | yes sir |
| 08:54.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: why do you think its a configuration issue? has this worked previously? are you using a custom setup? |
| 08:54.52 | debianoob | Mikaze: at least... hmm i bet its in /etc/apacee2/httpd.conf? |
| 08:55.32 | debianoob | hey he knows// |
| 08:55.39 | debianoob | i trust him |
| 08:56.05 | Mikaze | figures it's a conf issue because the html files work just fine. |
| 08:56.09 | debianoob | also that what i believe it to be |
| 08:56.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: 'the html files'? |
| 08:56.42 | debianoob | it is a checkbox... try installinf WEBCONF |
| 08:56.45 | debianoob | lol |
| 08:57.36 | rdw200169 | Mikaze: you *do* have DocumentRoot and <Directory /> declaration thing in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default... right?!? |
| 08:58.02 | Mikaze | The <li><a href to html pages></a></li> works for html, but not for txt |
| 08:58.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: what is the page? |
| 08:59.04 | Mikaze | rivensight.dyndns.org/stories |
| 09:00.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: are you using apache vhosts or have you dropped stuff in /var/ww/? |
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| 09:00.41 | Mikaze | I'm just using full links to the txt files. |
| 09:00.53 | debianoob | i think this might be realted to? |
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| 09:01.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | that doesn't answer my question |
| 09:01.10 | debianoob | ability to list directory contents |
| 09:01.26 | Mikaze | ie: rivensight.dyndns.org/stories/files/story.txt |
| 09:01.47 | debianoob | yeah it is ability to browse directories it is false |
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| 09:02.20 | debianoob | thats my hunch |
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| 09:03.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: can you 'ls /path/to/stories/files/' and pastebin it? |
| 09:03.14 | Mikaze | You can navigate to rivensight.dyndns.org/stories/index.html from rivensight.dyndns.org easily enough... |
| 09:03.24 | debianoob | btw you should use vhosts |
| 09:04.05 | debianoob | ok im like 50% on this one |
| 09:04.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: yes, yes i can. not what i'm asking for though |
| 09:04.28 | Mikaze | Yes, you can ls from a regular user's account and ls the dir contents. |
| 09:05.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mikaze: are you being deliberately unhelpful? |
| 09:05.59 | Mikaze | No. I'm blind and may have not heard you while I'm typing, as hitting a key silences the synthesizer output. Lemme replay the screen. |
| 09:06.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
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| 09:06.52 | Mikaze | It's in /var/www, where I found the index.html page for the server. |
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| 09:07.40 | debianoob | mikaze: hello my friend |
| 09:08.11 | Mikaze | Hello. |
| 09:08.54 | debianoob | i am fairly sure about apache configuration switch |
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| 09:09.07 | debianoob | i will double check |
| 09:09.55 | Mikaze | I seem to recall something about binary files mentioned in the configs, but wasn't sure it applied to txt files.? |
| 09:10.12 | debianoob | my reasoning is |
| 09:10.22 | rdw200169 | Mikaze: a lot of things may cause problems. First, you may want to disable overrides via .htaccess files, then, please, for the sake of your sanity, setup virtual hosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ . you can change the default file in there as well to suit your needs. this is an example Directory directive: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#directory |
| 09:10.25 | debianoob | when you browse directories... |
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| 09:11.21 | debianoob | when you go to Debian mirror for example |
| 09:11.33 | debianoob | you can click on txt files |
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| 09:11.50 | debianoob | can you not? |
| 09:11.58 | debianoob | drink |
| 09:12.13 | Mikaze | Personally, I'm having enough problems figuring out html on top of apache2, let alone virtual hosting. |
| 09:12.24 | Mikaze | laughs. |
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| 09:13.53 | rdw200169 | Mikaze: well, you can add a Files directive to your main apache config to specify that all file types *.txt are accessible |
| 09:14.31 | debianoob | mikaze: Linux is a moving target |
| 09:14.51 | rdw200169 | thus: <Files *.txt> \n Order allow,deny \n Allow from all \n </Files> |
| 09:15.26 | debianoob | virtual hosting is not too complicated and very good to know |
| 09:17.21 | Mikaze | Think that's what I'm looking for. making txt files accessible...or downloadable zip files. |
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| 09:18.49 | nsadmin | linux can be a moving target, there are, however, a lot of different things you can do to cause the motion to not be because of forces outside of yourself... |
| 09:19.06 | nsadmin | one way I do that, is I compile my web stack myself. |
| 09:19.31 | nsadmin | then debian packaging gets to keep its controlling hands off my shit. |
| 09:19.52 | Mikaze | Compile? As in run it thru a compiler I dunno about yet? |
| 09:20.12 | nsadmin | well you don't have to do anything you don't want to... |
| 09:20.14 | debianoob | nsadmin: i like the message! |
| 09:20.26 | ali3n0 | hi guys. I'm wondering, how can I see a system needs a reboot because of a kernel upgrade? |
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| 09:20.54 | debianoob | nsadmin: sometimes i get caught off gaurd by changes in Linux, things are deprecated and i do not know |
| 09:21.06 | Mikaze | K. Thanks for the help, guys. Gives me some directions to look in. I appreciate it. |
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| 09:21.34 | schlurchz | ali3n0: you mean, you would like to determine if the kernel got upgraded? Because, if so, you need to reboot anyways |
| 09:21.58 | mutante | ali3n0: hmm, if the output of "apt-get upgrade" contains "linux-image" |
| 09:22.02 | nsadmin | I'm just saying, maybe some people (myself being one I know of) wants to keep the same versions of stuff even if the packaging system suggests to move to a different version (and I run stable, which is very... stable...) and I still want to do that with a few choice items. |
| 09:22.12 | ali3n0 | schlurchz mutante , say someone has run apt-get upgrade already |
| 09:22.21 | debianoob | mikaze: i would not worry too much about compiling |
| 09:22.31 | ali3n0 | I log in and I want to be totally sure there's no reboot to do |
| 09:22.46 | ali3n0 | because the last installed kernel version is already running |
| 09:22.51 | debianoob | mikaze: lately i have gravitated to binary distributions |
| 09:23.08 | nsadmin | you don't have to worry about anything that worries you (this is a paradox whose solution is in you) |
| 09:23.09 | schlurchz | ali3n0: I would just compare $(uname -r) to /boot |
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| 09:23.36 | debianoob | ubuntu/debian |
| 09:23.38 | ali3n0 | schlurchz, exactely, that was my thought. but doesn't seem right to me |
| 09:23.48 | debianoob | *debian/ubuntu |
| 09:23.51 | schlurchz | ali3n0: yeah, not strictly elegant :) |
| 09:23.59 | omps | hi all |
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| 09:24.15 | ali3n0 | I just upgraded because of the last security bulletin |
| 09:24.37 | debianoob | cat /proc/<somthing> should tell you |
| 09:24.43 | ali3n0 | schlurchz, but uname -a gives me 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:25.06 | thewanderer1 | ali3n0: see the sources of `byobu` - it contains some code for detecting "reboot needed" condition |
| 09:25.16 | rudi_s | ali3n0: But uname -a gives you the compile date. |
| 09:25.38 | schlurchz | rudi_s: boy, that's even more ugly |
| 09:25.58 | rudi_s | schlurchz: Yeah, I know. But it works. |
| 09:26.22 | mutante | ali3n0: schlurchz the output of "dpkg --list | grep linux-image" to "uname -a" then? |
| 09:27.09 | schlurchz | mutante: that says nothing about the running kernel. |
| 09:27.31 | debianoob | ali3n that is lenny |
| 09:27.37 | debianoob | 2.6.26 |
| 09:27.45 | ali3n0 | debianoob, y |
| 09:27.46 | schlurchz | okay, compile date is there, but really... that's hardly the right way |
| 09:28.06 | debianoob | if you upgrade distro thats the latest\ |
| 09:28.26 | schlurchz | ls /proc |
| 09:28.28 | debianoob | 2.6.32 is in backports somewhere i hear |
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| 09:29.24 | schlurchz | ah, /proc/version might do it in Debian |
| 09:29.50 | ali3n0 | debianoob, ? I run 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:30.17 | thewanderer1 | guys! there is a file /var/run/reboot-required ... |
| 09:30.23 | debianoob | Mikaze: i tried to message you but it did not work.. |
| 09:30.26 | schlurchz | On my squeeze machine, it says "2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-27)" |
| 09:30.44 | debianoob | ali3n0 yeah that is the lenny kernel |
| 09:31.32 | ali3n0 | schlurchz, so you suggest to compare compile date between uname -a and the last installed kernel |
| 09:31.32 | schlurchz | so it has the package version in it |
| 09:31.45 | debianoob | thewanderer1 yeah i would like to know |
| 09:32.16 | thewanderer1 | I don't know yet how the file is removed... |
| 09:32.18 | schlurchz | ali3n0: no, see above; don't know if that works in lenny, though |
| 09:32.27 | thewanderer1 | or if it is in lenny, either :P |
| 09:33.00 | ali3n0 | schlurchz, you talking about /proc/version? it works |
| 09:33.16 | schlurchz | ali3n0: yeah. |
| 09:33.34 | schlurchz | ali3n0: so that should settle it |
| 09:33.36 | debianoob | ali3n0: look in your sources list |
| 09:33.59 | debianoob | if you are up to date that will be nother thing to check |
| 09:34.27 | omps | quit |
| 09:34.59 | ali3n0 | debianoob, sorry I'm not following :( so /proc/version is different than uname -a? |
| 09:35.20 | schlurchz | ali3n0: yes. |
| 09:35.39 | _march_ | hi all |
| 09:35.48 | ali3n0 | schlurchz, ok I ask google about that tnx |
| 09:35.49 | schlurchz | uname -a is not sufficient to determine the kernel package version. |
| 09:36.47 | nsadmin | what part of the version is not included in just uname -r? |
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| 09:37.33 | peterrooney | nsadmin: SMP support? |
| 09:37.33 | schlurchz | nsadmin: try it. |
| 09:37.34 | ali3n0 | nsadmin, gcc version used |
| 09:39.10 | ali3n0 | schlurchz debianoob , thanks btw, I got it now ;) |
| 09:39.16 | nsadmin | let's remain with what you said... smp support and gcc version are not part of the kernel version either |
| 09:39.30 | nsadmin | try... what? |
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| 09:39.36 | omps | ls -l |
| 09:39.40 | omps | hi all |
| 09:39.43 | omps | sorry for the command |
| 09:39.45 | omps | :) |
| 09:39.53 | schlurchz | nsadmin: compare /proc/version and uname {-r,-a} |
| 09:40.10 | debianoob | gth :D uname -a? |
| 09:40.25 | debianoob | eya |
| 09:40.34 | nsadmin | but what you said is it's not sufficient to determine -kernel- version, and I'll claim that it is |
| 09:40.49 | schlurchz | nsadmin: I said "kernel package version" :) |
| 09:40.51 | ax-ax | is it a very bad idea to install a program from source when you have an older version installed from apt? (but with serious bugs and a painful lot of dependencies) |
| 09:40.53 | debianoob | that why i say check source |
| 09:41.03 | debianoob | that will be enouhg |
| 09:41.16 | nsadmin | do you mean the version of kernel-package? |
| 09:41.26 | homie | why does the normal radeon driver come with drm deps ? |
| 09:41.40 | debianoob | i would go for a 'backport in the case of almost anything |
| 09:41.43 | schlurchz | nsadmin: sigh. No, the version of the linux-image-* package the running kernel belongs to. |
| 09:42.05 | becks` | hi, I'm on a vserver with kvm and now apt-get upgrade wants to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem, is it safe to install and does it need a reboot? |
| 09:42.09 | debianoob | drm is the new thing |
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| 09:42.15 | debianoob | do not diss DRM |
| 09:42.23 | nsadmin | so a corrolary of what you're claiming is that it's possible for two kernels packaged, to have the same version number |
| 09:42.31 | debianoob | no |
| 09:42.33 | schlurchz | nsadmin: yes. |
| 09:42.36 | nsadmin | s/number/name/ (it's really a string) |
| 09:42.37 | homie | yes, but it's useless without 3d |
| 09:42.51 | homie | 3d is very slow with radeon |
| 09:42.53 | debianoob | different configuration yes |
| 09:43.05 | debianoob | kernel is kernel |
| 09:43.10 | ali3n0 | anyone running freebsd 8.1 as guest on a squeeze kvm host here? |
| 09:43.15 | debianoob | modules modules |
| 09:43.15 | homie | fglrx was or is more speedy |
| 09:43.16 | ax-ax | oh, can anyone explain how i disable these mails ( Cron <root@data> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) ) |
| 09:43.59 | homie | but it seems the rv5xx cards were removed from the list of fglrx-drivers |
| 09:44.01 | debianoob | homie: can you verify that it is using hardware accell |
| 09:44.23 | homie | no, cause everytime mesa get's installed |
| 09:44.24 | debianoob | ax-ax: crontab? |
| 09:44.29 | nsadmin | he's right about the configuration part... I'll definitely give you this much: the kernel version name that's on the left of the first _ in the file name is not a hash that uniquely identifies the entire configuration |
| 09:44.35 | debianoob | mesa is software |
| 09:44.51 | nsadmin | so it the radeon driver |
| 09:44.52 | homie | i tried to install, fglrx-glx, it worked or works only with stable, the testing versions are crap |
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| 09:45.03 | homie | i can't even get the driver to install manually |
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| 09:45.32 | debianoob | you need either: module, or kernel with support for your GPU |
| 09:45.34 | nsadmin | homie: the kernel you're running has influence over that |
| 09:45.36 | homie | and once radeon is used drm and a whole slew of other modules are pulled in like ttm, drm, drm_kms_helper etc... |
| 09:45.45 | homie | and trying to remove them does not help |
| 09:45.47 | ax-ax | debianoob: i fail to understand what to do really |
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| 09:45.56 | debianoob | type crontab |
| 09:46.06 | homie | i have to force it and forcing it works for unloading but not fully, there's something left i think |
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| 09:46.19 | debianoob | check logfile |
| 09:46.31 | homie | and because of that fglrx won't install, whatever you do |
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| 09:46.35 | debianoob | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 09:47.08 | ax-ax | debianoob: ok i run crontab but nothing is happening |
| 09:47.15 | homie | i did, and it told me somehting along locked memory pages or such ... |
| 09:47.18 | debianoob | read output? |
| 09:47.31 | ax-ax | ther's no output :s |
| 09:47.35 | debianoob | what driver is it trying to load? |
| 09:47.40 | debianoob | lspci |
| 09:47.59 | debianoob | crontab not found?? |
| 09:48.33 | ax-ax | well if i run it with -l |
| 09:48.39 | ax-ax | it says i have no crontab |
| 09:48.51 | debianoob | hmm... |
| 09:49.01 | ax-ax | no crontab for root/no crontab for axel |
| 09:49.03 | debianoob | did you do a custom install> |
| 09:49.09 | ax-ax | not really? |
| 09:49.16 | schlurchz | hehe |
| 09:49.40 | debianoob | tasksel --list-tasks |
| 09:50.30 | debianoob | did you unselect something in the install?? crontab is sposeed to be there |
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| 09:50.44 | ax-ax | is it supposed to be listed? |
| 09:51.10 | debianoob | which crontab |
| 09:51.18 | debianoob | type that ^^ |
| 09:51.56 | smellydog | Hi, I can not get HP LaserJet 6L work on my debian, using driver "HP LaserJet 6L Foomatic/ljet4 (recommended) (en)", the job status persists "processing" but printer has no action, even the indicator lamp does not blink. My system is sqeeze/sid. any suggestion is appreciated. |
| 09:52.06 | ax-ax | says /usr/bin/crontab |
| 09:52.19 | ax-ax | but crontab -l says no crontab for axel |
| 09:52.30 | debianoob | ax-ax: okay it is insatlled |
| 09:52.48 | schlurchz | ax-ax: your emails refer to the system crontab, not a user's crontab. |
| 09:52.55 | debianoob | ax-ax: sorry can you re-stat your concern? |
| 09:53.26 | debianoob | smellydog: HP LaserJet 6L |
| 09:53.33 | ax-ax | i get mail every day with the topic test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 09:53.47 | ax-ax | and i'm too lousy to understand how to disable it |
| 09:53.55 | debianoob | ^^ should almost certainly work in Linux, although i have not used personally... |
| 09:54.01 | debianoob | that being said... |
| 09:54.24 | schlurchz | ax-ax: if your cronjobs do any output, you get it emailed. Cronjobs are not supposed to output anything except when there's an error. |
| 09:54.41 | debianoob | ax-ax: i thought you had crontab (root user) running |
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| 09:54.48 | ax-ax | okay |
| 09:54.50 | schlurchz | ax-ax: so it might be interesting what's in these emails :) |
| 09:54.55 | ax-ax | so there's an error |
| 09:55.21 | debianoob | he didnt say that |
| 09:55.34 | schlurchz | debianoob: but it was clear from the cronjob. :) |
| 09:55.35 | debianoob | if there is an error it will email you |
| 09:55.55 | debianoob | no i thought i cannot remember :D |
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| 09:56.15 | debianoob | lets try to be correct and concise |
| 09:56.19 | tziku | hello how can i start on boot from user: "danyy" this application: "/home/danyy/lcdev/start.sh" |
| 09:56.20 | schlurchz | hehe |
| 09:56.52 | debianoob | let's* |
| 09:56.54 | debianoob | :D |
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| 09:57.20 | debianoob | that is a .profile question? |
| 09:57.38 | debianoob | are you talking on login? |
| 09:57.38 | omps | put it in your rc file |
| 09:57.46 | omps | i mean put it in any rc file which is booting up |
| 09:58.06 | debianoob | yeah like /etc/local |
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| 09:58.31 | ax-ax | ok ok i think there was an error after all |
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| 09:58.48 | ax-ax | and i'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if i fixed it :s |
| 09:59.06 | debianoob | tomorrow, why the suspense |
| 09:59.19 | ax-ax | to see if it mails me |
| 09:59.55 | schlurchz | ax-ax: you deleted these mails without reading them? :) |
| 10:00.12 | debianoob | hmm yea crontab is kinda |
| 10:00.20 | ax-ax | no, i didn't |
| 10:00.28 | debianoob | tough, brb bio |
| 10:00.30 | schlurchz | ah, I see |
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| 10:00.41 | ax-ax | i just didn't read them enough |
| 10:00.47 | ax-ax | or something |
| 10:01.06 | schlurchz | harhar |
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| 10:01.13 | citizenkeys | "lspci | grep audio" shows nothing, even though I am sure there's audio hardware. |
| 10:01.26 | citizenkeys | how can i redetect the sound hardware in debian? |
| 10:01.50 | debianoob | how do i PM someone in IRC |
| 10:02.12 | debianoob | citizenkeys |
| 10:02.13 | rozie | citizenkeys: maybe it's usb, not pci |
| 10:02.35 | debianoob | what audio hardware is it pci card? |
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| 10:02.56 | debianoob | drink... |
| 10:03.47 | smellydog | debianoob: but my printer does not work, so How should I solve it? |
| 10:03.52 | citizenkeys | it's onboard audio. it's a little nvidia-based bookshelf pc. |
| 10:05.02 | cusco | citizenkeys: try lspci|grep -i audio |
| 10:05.03 | cusco | :p |
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| 10:06.32 | citizenkeys | cusco: that shows this: 00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0ac0 (rev b1) |
| 10:06.49 | cusco | see |
| 10:06.50 | rozie | citizenkeys: so, you have audio |
| 10:06.59 | cusco | citizenkeys: perhaps its just on mute? |
| 10:07.04 | cusco | have tried and unmmuted? |
| 10:07.08 | rozie | citizenkeys: alsamixer |
| 10:07.19 | rozie | citizenkeys: is user in audio group? |
| 10:07.22 | smellydog | found "Missing <Job #> directive on line 6! " in error log |
| 10:07.25 | citizenkeys | yes, the user is in audio group. |
| 10:07.40 | cusco | !alsa checklist |
| 10:07.41 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 10:07.55 | citizenkeys | when i run alsamixer, i get: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 10:08.05 | cusco | hmm |
| 10:08.15 | homie | citizenkeys: missing module ? |
| 10:08.38 | citizenkeys | i did "sudo apt-get install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-oss", but that didn't help. |
| 10:08.47 | rozie | citizenkeys: give us lspci -n line for this device |
| 10:08.52 | homie | citizenkeys: you need the module up too |
| 10:09.05 | cusco | citizenkeys: what if you ran alsamixer as root? |
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| 10:09.27 | citizenkeys | "sudo alsamixer" gives the same error. |
| 10:09.41 | cusco | not sudo |
| 10:09.44 | cusco | as root really |
| 10:09.48 | homie | don't try further, it's def. not alsa issue, just module |
| 10:09.56 | citizenkeys | how do load the module? |
| 10:09.59 | cusco | ok |
| 10:10.16 | homie | modprobe <modulename> |
| 10:10.25 | citizenkeys | what's the module name? |
| 10:11.08 | cheasee | could anybody give me a hint why my tunnelbroker.net ipv6 tunnel behind nat via iptables isnt working? ive set it up with an usual nat router device which i replaced by a debian box where i do iptables |
| 10:11.17 | homie | citizenkeys: lspci |grep -i audio or snd or sound will tell you what name the vendor is |
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| 10:12.15 | citizenkeys | 00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0ac0 (rev b1) |
| 10:12.47 | debianoob | citizenkeys |
| 10:13.04 | debianoob | login as root |
| 10:13.09 | cahoot | citizenkeys: try speaker-test -t wav -c2 as user and as root |
| 10:13.10 | debianoob | then try |
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| 10:13.44 | rozie | cheasee: did you have ipv6 tunnel running from behind NAT? |
| 10:14.14 | homie | citizenkeys: do you have modconf program available to you ? |
| 10:14.36 | debianoob | cheasee: what are you using to manage fw rules? |
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| 10:15.03 | cheasee | rozie, it worked flawlessly with the router device, but as its buggy i replaced it by a debian box, have iptables set up for nat, works all ok but my ipv6 tunnel doesnt come up |
| 10:15.17 | debianoob | exactly |
| 10:15.21 | debianoob | ^^ |
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| 10:15.38 | debianoob | how are you managing fw rules |
| 10:15.57 | cheasee | debianoob, iptables :) in detail im using easyfwgen.morizot.net with some minor custom changes like portforwards |
| 10:16.10 | homie | citizenkeys: try snd_hwdep |
| 10:16.21 | debianoob | yes, sorry for asking 2 x, ... i se that now... |
| 10:16.50 | debianoob | have you considered another firewall? |
| 10:17.18 | debianoob | i liked shorewall |
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| 10:18.05 | debianoob | otherwise its up to you and ethershark |
| 10:18.51 | debianoob | actually shorewall+webmin |
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| 10:19.02 | citizenkeys | isn't there just some sort of hardware redetection program i can run? |
| 10:19.02 | void_pointer | webmin is a tool of the devil |
| 10:19.16 | debianoob | it's true... |
| 10:19.22 | homie | citizenkeys: that's normally snd_hwdeps job |
| 10:19.36 | homie | citizenkeys: modprobe snd_hwdep |
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| 10:20.13 | homie | will load all required sound modules for your onboard soundcard |
| 10:20.16 | citizenkeys | "modprobe snd_hwdep" doesn't return anything. |
| 10:20.23 | homie | oh |
| 10:20.25 | debianoob | citizenkeys: i looked back..... hmm i'd have to google that |
| 10:20.26 | citizenkeys | and a "locate snd_hwdep" doesn't return anything either. |
| 10:20.27 | rozie | citizenkeys: do you use kernel from repo? what Debian version? |
| 10:20.32 | citizenkeys | it's lenny |
| 10:20.47 | rozie | citizenkeys: lspci -n for this device, pls |
| 10:20.49 | citizenkeys | this is a mediacenter computer for a non-profit that i'm trying to setup. |
| 10:20.54 | rozie | maybe lenny's kernel is too old |
| 10:20.56 | homie | it's nvidia |
| 10:21.13 | rozie | homie: there're different nvidias |
| 10:21.16 | debianoob | cheasee: thing is you have isolated it to your firewall |
| 10:21.19 | citizenkeys | rozie: when I do "lspci -n", i'm not sure what you want. |
| 10:21.26 | cahoot | homie: label says nothing useful wrt hardware |
| 10:21.30 | rozie | citizenkeys: put whole on pastebin |
| 10:21.35 | homie | ok |
| 10:21.39 | debianoob | cheasee: you have the tough part sorted at least |
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| 10:22.30 | citizenkeys | http://pastebin.com/ZYHNq2BC |
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| 10:23.26 | homie | yep, it maybe the kernel does not contain nvidia sound module |
| 10:23.26 | rozie | citizenkeys: i2c-nforce2 v2.6.30- |
| 10:23.33 | citizenkeys | how do i load that? |
| 10:23.33 | homie | aah |
| 10:23.46 | homie | that's kernel version 2.6.30 minimum |
| 10:23.46 | rozie | citizenkeys: you need kernel 2.6.32 from backports |
| 10:23.48 | debianoob | homie: wow nj |
| 10:24.12 | debianoob | 2.6.32 IS avail in backports |
| 10:24.23 | cheasee | debianoob, i dont like webmin but ill give shorewall a chance ;) |
| 10:24.30 | debianoob | nah |
| 10:24.32 | rozie | citizenkeys: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 10:24.33 | debianoob | no |
| 10:24.34 | citizenkeys | we are running: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 10:24.40 | citizenkeys | i just did uname -r |
| 10:24.47 | debianoob | dont do it try anything but |
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| 10:24.54 | debianoob | :D |
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| 10:25.10 | citizenkeys | so we're running the right kernel. |
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| 10:25.17 | depesz | hi |
| 10:25.22 | debianoob | ok shorewall, but webmin it a minor hassle |
| 10:25.31 | rozie | grr |
| 10:25.38 | rozie | citizenkeys: sorry, looked for nvidia |
| 10:25.51 | depesz | i created special /etc/motd file for my server. it worked well when I was setting it, even after reboots, but now (~ 12 hours later) it's gone and replaced by standard motd. |
| 10:25.52 | rozie | 10de0ac0YesnVidia CorporationMCP79 High Definition Audio snd-hda-intel |
| 10:25.57 | debianoob | ok i actually read your whole line there |
| 10:26.06 | depesz | what did change the motd and how can I disable it? |
| 10:26.08 | debianoob | yea u dont like webmin |
| 10:26.08 | homie | lol |
| 10:26.10 | void_pointer | please don't use webmin |
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| 10:26.12 | rozie | so check if you have snd-hda-intel loaded |
| 10:26.18 | homie | oh man, adn he told me nvidia |
| 10:26.19 | void_pointer | I'm begging you |
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| 10:26.48 | citizenkeys | rozie: how? |
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| 10:26.57 | debianoob | depesz: interesting... so you change motd to your liking and it reverts? |
| 10:26.59 | homie | lsmod|grep -i snd |
| 10:27.10 | depesz | debianoob: yes. not sure what reverted the change. |
| 10:27.19 | thewanderer1 | depesz: where did you change it? |
| 10:27.20 | depesz | read: no idea what did it. |
| 10:27.24 | depesz | thewanderer1: /etc/motd |
| 10:27.27 | debianoob | hmm me neither although i think i forgot the solution |
| 10:27.34 | thewanderer1 | depesz: this file gets created at boot |
| 10:27.42 | citizenkeys | rozie: that returns this: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 10:27.52 | depesz | thewanderer1: how can i make it to keep its content? |
| 10:27.57 | citizenkeys | rozie: err... http://pastebin.com/N2C2fFvE |
| 10:27.59 | depesz | or at least - control what gets there? |
| 10:28.02 | thewanderer1 | depesz: the proper place to put yout boot message is /etc/motd.tail |
| 10:28.12 | debianoob | wow |
| 10:28.22 | rozie | citizenkeys: looks good |
| 10:28.37 | citizenkeys | rozie: so now what? |
| 10:28.45 | depesz | thewanderer1: ok. but then - how can I make debian *not* put kernel stuff in /etc/motd? |
| 10:28.47 | debianoob | thewanderer1 g1 there |
| 10:28.53 | depesz | stuff = version |
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| 10:29.34 | thewanderer1 | depesz: call `stat /etc/motd` and see what it says, then grep the init files for that: `grep -r /etc/motd /etc/init.d/` |
| 10:29.40 | debianoob | mikaze: is it sorted yet? |
| 10:29.45 | cahoot | citizenkeys: try speaker-test -t wav -c2 as user and as root |
| 10:30.28 | debianoob | root first |
| 10:30.35 | depesz | thewanderer1: grep returns: /etc/init.d/bootlogs: [ -f /etc/motd.tail ] && cat /etc/motd.tail >> /var/run/motd |
| 10:30.38 | rozie | citizenkeys: funny thing. I have the same card in one laptop |
| 10:30.40 | rozie | 00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0ac0 (rev b1) |
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| 10:30.53 | thewanderer1 | depesz: so you know what sets it :) |
| 10:30.56 | debianoob | yea driver IS installed... |
| 10:30.56 | rozie | citizenkeys: take a look on http://rozie.blox.pl/strony/linux-on-fujitsu-siemens-esprimo-V6515.html |
| 10:31.10 | depesz | thewanderer1: ah. thanks. so I just remove the bootlogs from rc2.d ? |
| 10:31.18 | citizenkeys | speakertest gives me this: http://pastebin.com/mVS8Rssm |
| 10:31.20 | debianoob | using alsa i cannot see the problem |
| 10:31.23 | thewanderer1 | depesz: err no, you hack it as needed :P |
| 10:31.54 | cahoot | citizenkeys: was that as root? |
| 10:31.56 | depesz | thewanderer1: i'm not 100% sure I want to hack system-provided script. i mean - what happens after upgrade? it will again remove my motd? |
| 10:32.01 | rozie | citizenkeys: looks like you need also use newer alsa |
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| 10:32.07 | thewanderer1 | depesz: it should ask you what you want to do |
| 10:32.18 | debianoob | depesz: yes |
| 10:32.30 | debianoob | no it will delete |
| 10:32.36 | thewanderer1 | hm, never seen that |
| 10:32.39 | depesz | thewanderer1: i want to put information that will be shown on ssh login. instead of useless (for me) information about kernel version and gnu license |
| 10:32.40 | citizenkeys | rozie: how to do that? |
| 10:32.43 | citizenkeys | rozie: yum install alsa ? |
| 10:32.44 | thewanderer1 | I thought they would be listed as config files |
| 10:32.50 | debianoob | ok listen to the wanderer1 |
| 10:33.03 | debianoob | taht is right, 99% |
| 10:33.08 | citizenkeys | rozie: err, apt-get install alsa ? |
| 10:33.09 | thewanderer1 | depesz: for SSH login, I think it's a PAM thing so you should configure PAM properly |
| 10:33.21 | depesz | thewanderer1: "properly"? |
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| 10:33.27 | depesz | thewanderer1: i mean - it is showing /etc/motd |
| 10:33.34 | depesz | thewanderer1: which makes *perfect* sense. |
| 10:33.45 | thewanderer1 | depesz: yes, but you can configure PAM to show another file for SSH, for example |
| 10:34.00 | depesz | thewanderer1: i know. not sure if I like this approach though. |
| 10:34.12 | thewanderer1 | man 8 pam_motd |
| 10:34.14 | debianoob | wow i thought alsa was insatalled by deault |
| 10:34.36 | depesz | thewanderer1: i know. it's just that I cannot understand why my hand made motd is being destroyed. |
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| 10:34.56 | debianoob | again, i know this happens in debian |
| 10:34.57 | Stava | which firewall should i use on my debian server? ufw? |
| 10:35.04 | debianoob | motd issue google |
| 10:35.05 | depesz | Stava: iptables. |
| 10:35.11 | thewanderer1 | depesz: it's because /etc/motd is a symlink to /var/run/motd, and the latter gets created (fopen("/var/run/motd", "w")) at boot time |
| 10:35.21 | debianoob | yea |
| 10:35.28 | Stava | depesz, alright, thanks |
| 10:35.32 | thewanderer1 | you can override it easily, though |
| 10:35.39 | debianoob | that is the 'technial' explanation if you wanted taht... |
| 10:35.43 | vtts | debianoob, use /etc/motd.tail |
| 10:35.46 | vtts | ups |
| 10:35.49 | vtts | depesz, |
| 10:35.50 | debianoob | ZxD |
| 10:35.57 | depesz | vtts: doesn't solve the problem. |
| 10:35.59 | thewanderer1 | just remove /etc/motd and re-create it but as a file not a symlink if you don't want it to be overwritten |
| 10:36.18 | thewanderer1 | but the PAM approach is more elegant - only affects a given service |
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| 10:36.20 | depesz | vtts: init scripts use it, but prepend it with useless kernel info (useless for me) |
| 10:36.30 | depesz | thewanderer1: thinking about it. |
| 10:36.40 | vtts | depesz, then comment the lines in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 10:36.45 | rozie | citizenkeys: read about backports |
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| 10:36.55 | superlinux | hi |
| 10:36.58 | debianoob | thewander1 is batting1000% |
| 10:37.07 | depesz | vtts: then i will need to keep remembering about it next time initscripts will be upgraded. |
| 10:37.11 | thewanderer1 | I am what? :P |
| 10:37.13 | depesz | vtts: not a future-proof solution. |
| 10:37.20 | debianoob | :D |
| 10:37.21 | superlinux | is't possible to hide a process from ps? |
| 10:37.31 | vtts | depesz, you have to choose then |
| 10:37.35 | debianoob | i doubt it |
| 10:37.37 | schlurchz | man motd.tail helps |
| 10:37.41 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: yes, sure - you can for example use cgroups for that and isolate some of them |
| 10:37.42 | depesz | vtts: i know. I'm leaning towards custom pam rule |
| 10:37.43 | Stava | Whenever I install software with apt-get I get the warning "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings", what should I do? I ran locale-gen but that didnt seem to help :o |
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| 10:37.53 | rozie | citizenkeys: looks like I updated alsa-driver and alsa-base |
| 10:38.11 | rozie | but don't have this machine online now to check... |
| 10:38.16 | superlinux | thewanderer1, can you lead me to a link please? |
| 10:38.20 | debianoob | okay yea it possibal |
| 10:38.23 | debianoob | ;p |
| 10:38.28 | debianoob | bio |
| 10:38.50 | depesz | schlurchz: thanks. didn't know it had special manpage. |
| 10:39.29 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: not really, it's not widely used. try searching the Web for lxc, linux containers, cgroups or so... |
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| 10:39.49 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: other approaches are based around a hacked `ps`, not something I could recommend :P |
| 10:40.51 | thewanderer1 | Stava: you need to define your locales first. run `sed -i /# pl_PL/pl_PL/ /etc/locale.gen` and only then `locale-gen`, replacing pl_PL with the language you need |
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| 10:41.30 | thewanderer1 | you can use an editor to see and uncomment what you need, too: `editor /etc/locale.gen` :P |
| 10:42.34 | superlinux | thewanderer1, ah ok! i never thought of hacking ps! |
| 10:42.42 | debianoob | ib, well at least i know it is 99% impossibal to hide processes |
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| 10:42.49 | superlinux | that should be easy to do |
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| 10:42.57 | thewanderer1 | OpenVZ uses an altered PS (vzps), you might want to check it out |
| 10:43.00 | Stava | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 10:43.01 | debianoob | thewanderer1 i thkan you |
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| 10:43.51 | debianoob | sorry 97% |
| 10:44.40 | debianoob | ok i am trying to think of another Debian question... |
| 10:45.17 | citizenkeys | well... updating all the alsa drivers and a reboot *almost* has it. |
| 10:45.20 | debianoob | what is first debian you used? |
| 10:45.46 | debianoob | citizenkeys, what were yu running? debian 1.0? |
| 10:45.46 | citizenkeys | "speaker-test -t wav -c2" says its giving output, but i still cannot hear anything. |
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| 10:45.59 | homie | so it's muted then |
| 10:46.01 | thewanderer1 | like, me? Sarge on amd64 and I liked the exploding GNOME :P but this is a topic for offtopic :P |
| 10:46.07 | citizenkeys | we're running 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 . |
| 10:46.18 | mbruins | normally i configure switches with a xp laptop a serial cable and hyperterminal, now ive got a debian install on my new laptop where should i start reading about a *nix solution for this task? |
| 10:46.20 | debianoob | recompile modules!! |
| 10:46.24 | debianoob | next! |
| 10:46.25 | superlinux | thewanderer1, another thing: can I hide a process simply from its code within , regardless of top, ps, ..etc? |
| 10:46.31 | rozie | citizenkeys: read my description, please |
| 10:46.39 | rozie | probably smth is muted |
| 10:47.12 | homie | citizenkeys: can you get alsamixer running ? |
| 10:47.23 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: no, in Linux this is not possible. the kernel has to provide this facility, so some patches like GRSecurity allow you to hide other users' processes from a user, while cgroups let you isolate namespaces (views) by using unshare() |
| 10:47.25 | debianoob | mbruins: would you liike to know about serial on Linux? |
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| 10:47.38 | homie | citizenkeys: and does it show bars up and no M at the bottom ? |
| 10:47.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:47.47 | thewanderer1 | superlinux: but to isolate using namespaces, you'd have to unshare() the user's shell, effectively running it in a container. |
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| 10:47.54 | debianoob | superlinux: if i may, no, not easily |
| 10:48.30 | citizenkeys | homie: yeah... alsamixer loads right up now. |
| 10:48.46 | citizenkeys | nothing is muted. |
| 10:48.55 | cahoot | citizenkeys: install allsa-utils |
| 10:48.57 | superlinux | cos I recently finished teaching the CEH course, that's all about the curiosity |
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| 10:49.00 | debianoob | citizen, sanity check |
| 10:49.02 | cahoot | alsa-utils |
| 10:49.18 | debianoob | speakers plugged into electrical outlet? |
| 10:49.27 | homie | lol |
| 10:49.32 | homie | yeah that happens too |
| 10:49.33 | thewanderer1 | mbruins: just install minicom and let it be your ultimate serial console solution :P |
| 10:49.37 | debianoob | wut, :D |
| 10:49.46 | citizenkeys | this little mediacenter has an optical out for audio and it's plugged up to a receiver. |
| 10:49.51 | homie | once i lost 5 h figuring that out |
| 10:49.52 | citizenkeys | so it's probably something with that. |
| 10:49.54 | homie | lol |
| 10:50.07 | debianoob | im jealous, except its not working... hmm |
| 10:50.10 | homie | aaah |
| 10:50.21 | homie | so it's a wifi thing again |
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| 10:50.26 | mbruins | thewanderer1: hehe i read about that application when i googled it xD |
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| 10:50.54 | thewanderer1 | mbruins: oh, and migrate to SSH as soon as you can to preserve sanity :P |
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| 10:50.55 | homie | err hifi |
| 10:51.11 | debianoob | don't feel bad wasted 5h on SPDID myself... |
| 10:51.15 | homie | make sure your receiver is plugged correctly |
| 10:51.22 | rozie | citizenkeys: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp on one console, and play with alsamixer then |
| 10:51.24 | mbruins | installing now, sorry what do you mean with the ssh comment i dont understand |
| 10:51.33 | debianoob | never did get too work on abit nf7s |
| 10:52.02 | thewanderer1 | mbruins: that configuring switches over the network is often more comfortable than over serial... |
| 10:52.30 | cahoot | rozie: why not stick to plain alsa? i e use speaker-test |
| 10:52.39 | debianoob | what kind of switch sorry? |
| 10:53.02 | mbruins | thewanderer1: ah yeah i undestand xD |
| 10:53.09 | ElijahsFriend | 'God bless america' |
| 10:53.11 | ElijahsFriend | I hear this call in all circles. Military, Political, Financial and even Churches. But I say America bless God first. Make him proud to be an American then yes he will bless you as a nation. In your coming and in your going, in your dealings and in your negotiations yes I dare say even in your prosperity. But it is not a one way street. Should God reward us for our misdeeds, our greed and... |
| 10:53.12 | ElijahsFriend | ...our lack of mercy. We push our power around like a bully rather than a benefactor. I say let us show God what we want from him and not the other way around because we neither obey nor follow the lead we just goad that he favors us. Now let me show you when he blesses other nations so that you can see what you missed. As far as one nation under God you can kiss my ass. - Elijah |
| 10:53.20 | debianoob | alsa is (unfortunately) the solution to many Linux/audio problems |
| 10:53.40 | cahoot | profound |
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| 10:54.24 | debianoob | well, that was |
| 10:54.31 | debianoob | thank you |
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| 10:55.54 | debianoob | are you sure there is no sound |
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| 10:56.01 | superlinux | how can I stop receiving from a channel in xchat while keeping myself joined to a channel? |
| 10:56.25 | superlinux | how can I stop receiving from a channel in xchat while keeping myself joined to this same channel? -rephrased |
| 10:56.29 | homie | ask the op to +q you |
| 10:56.33 | debianoob | i would try to make sure you have power on the power input to speakers doesnt dound like Linux problem |
| 10:57.08 | superlinux | homie, what is (+q)? |
| 10:57.08 | debianoob | superlinux: man xchat? |
| 10:57.29 | debianoob | im on web chat |
| 10:57.47 | superlinux | i can just quit the channel of course. |
| 10:58.18 | superlinux | but the issue i am on a small download quota |
| 10:58.23 | debianoob | xchat? |
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| 10:58.35 | debianoob | try weechat |
| 10:58.42 | superlinux | anyway,, just forget it |
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| 10:58.53 | debianoob | same mem footprint meguess |
| 10:59.14 | cahoot | superlinux: what would the benefit be from being attached but incommunicado? |
| 10:59.48 | debianoob | mt? |
| 11:00.01 | debianoob | super left |
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| 11:00.18 | debianoob | audio |
| 11:00.25 | debianoob | in Debian? |
| 11:00.38 | cahoot | !tell debianoob about enter |
| 11:00.59 | debianoob | ok is tha another audio api? |
| 11:01.53 | debianoob | it is.. ok well i stand corrected |
| 11:02.56 | debianoob | well, im not going to learn about it |
| 11:03.08 | debianoob | it will be debrecated |
| 11:03.17 | debianoob | so wtp |
| 11:04.28 | debianoob | i just threw up a lil bit |
| 11:04.34 | debianoob | in my mouth |
| 11:04.47 | debianoob | OT |
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| 11:07.16 | debianoob | 1 more Linux audio thing to learn i will have to vomit |
| 11:07.39 | debianoob | is Debian OSS or ALSA |
| 11:08.08 | homie | default is alsa, but there get's always some oss modules installed anyway |
| 11:08.18 | homie | at least the pcm ones |
| 11:08.57 | rozie | cahoot: well, don't have exp with speaker-test ;-) |
| 11:09.00 | debianoob | is pcm the 'lossless' codecs? |
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| 11:09.21 | citizenkeys | how do i make apt-get also update the dependencies? |
| 11:09.31 | homie | i don't know what pcm is |
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| 11:09.59 | debianoob | apt-get install abc automatically doe that |
| 11:10.59 | debianoob | apt-get install apache2 |
| 11:11.11 | debianoob | pulls all deps and apache2 |
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| 11:12.50 | Mowee | Hey :) |
| 11:14.05 | debianoob | tasksel --list-tasks |
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| 11:14.24 | debianoob | mowee |
| 11:14.30 | debianoob | ^^ hi |
| 11:14.37 | Mowee | hi |
| 11:14.45 | debianoob | not to busy |
| 11:15.18 | debianoob | are you trying to install weather forcasting computer? |
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| 11:16.50 | debianoob | hey |
| 11:16.53 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a question about DNS, i have a domain "domain.com" in server "1" and i have a server "2", and i wonna to get "subdomain.domain.com" to server "2". So i added in server "1" Record A "subdomain.domain.com" -> "server 2 IP", what i suppose to do on server "2"? |
| 11:16.56 | debianoob | wgats p |
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| 11:17.16 | debianoob | okay BIND? |
| 11:17.24 | Upgreydd | PowerDNS |
| 11:17.25 | debianoob | 1 thing RTFM |
| 11:17.31 | debianoob | ok... |
| 11:17.35 | debianoob | RTFM |
| 11:17.44 | debianoob | then |
| 11:17.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | debianoob: STOP PRESSING ENTER SO OFTEN |
| 11:17.54 | debianoob | how can i help |
| 11:17.55 | Upgreydd | debianoob: yeah, i am beginner and i don't get it :/ |
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| 11:18.08 | debianoob | sok, i try helping |
| 11:18.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | Upgreydd: does powerdns have a channel you could ask in? |
| 11:18.15 | debianoob | dringk |
| 11:18.19 | Upgreydd | i've readed the manual |
| 11:18.24 | citizenkeys | the official vlc in debian is 2 years old. |
| 11:18.26 | debianoob | no it ok i brb |
| 11:18.32 | debianoob | OT i kno |
| 11:18.32 | Upgreydd | Kamping_Kaiser: i'll try |
| 11:19.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Upgreydd: powerdns' support channels are much more likely to help for that sort of question :) |
| 11:19.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | citizenkeys: yes, lenny was released 2 years ago |
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| 11:19.43 | Upgreydd | ok thanks :) |
| 11:19.58 | void_pointer | BIND FTW |
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| 11:23.42 | Stava | How do I install php 5.3 on debian? The package php5 seem to refer to php 5.2.6 |
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| 11:24.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | might be in backports |
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| 11:26.20 | debianoob | stava |
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| 11:26.42 | debianoob | ^^: vi /etc/apt/sources.list mirror list at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all deb-src http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 89DF5277 gpg -a --export 89DF5277 | apt-key add - apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:27.22 | debianoob | that is current for php5 (5.3) |
| 11:27.37 | debianoob | lenny backport |
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| 11:27.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | sighs |
| 11:28.07 | debianoob | yea it was messy |
| 11:28.11 | Stava | thanks |
| 11:28.23 | debianoob | np... gl |
| 11:28.32 | Stava | So that will update my php5 package, or is it another package i need to install? |
| 11:28.45 | debianoob | first update list |
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| 11:29.01 | debianoob | then aptitude update |
| 11:29.02 | shalok | Why do logout/shutdown et al not work when plasma-desktop is run independently of KDE? |
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| 11:29.12 | debianoob | then apt-get install php5 |
| 11:29.51 | debianoob | if you want LAMP? server |
| 11:29.54 | debianoob | ok |
| 11:29.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Stava: that of course comes with the usual disclaimers about 3rd party repositories |
| 11:30.05 | Stava | Alright |
| 11:30.21 | debianoob | hmm i have to paste thatsomewhere |
| 11:30.22 | Stava | But will this cause problems for me when the official repos get php 5.3, and I want to use them instead? |
| 11:30.22 | jelly-home | !dotdeb |
| 11:30.22 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior.. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 11:30.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: it probably hooks into parts of kde that aren't started when run outside it |
| 11:30.34 | debianoob | trust |
| 11:31.07 | debianoob | go w/lenny and 5.3 backports... either that or go sid with 5.3 your decision |
| 11:31.17 | jelly-home | debianoob: bear the above in mind before telling someone to use dotdeb builds. |
| 11:31.19 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, Yeah I figured as much but how do I figure out which part(s)? |
| 11:31.40 | Stava | jelly-home, is there another way to install php 5.3? |
| 11:31.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | debianoob: don't suggest people go with sid |
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| 11:31.53 | debianoob | yes dotdeb is UNWORKABEE and BROKEN afik |
| 11:32.19 | debianoob | sorry i dunno it is a horribal time |
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| 11:33.22 | Stava | !backports |
| 11:33.22 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:33.23 | jelly-home | Stava: on Debian 5? I know not of a simple solution. |
| 11:33.34 | debianoob | yes i try to be helpful, some folks NEED php5(.3) trust |
| 11:33.58 | thewanderer1 | you currently have to compile your own php 5.3 on lenny |
| 11:34.05 | debianoob | no |
| 11:34.16 | thewanderer1 | there's none in backports |
| 11:34.20 | debianoob | sorry .debs avail i just got donee.... |
| 11:34.22 | Stava | Well the dotdeb repository seems like a simple solution? |
| 11:34.35 | debianoob | teeling you all\ |
| 11:34.54 | debianoob | thewanderer1, why do you digress |
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| 11:35.15 | jelly-home | Stava: I agree it seems that way. |
| 11:35.41 | Stava | jelly-home, Is there a downside? :o |
| 11:35.53 | thewanderer1 | as with all third-party software |
| 11:36.26 | debianoob | thewanderer1: what is wrong w/ php53.dotdeb.org ? |
| 11:36.33 | thewanderer1 | if you want to be sure of what you install, compile it from package sources - otherwise get the one from dotdeb and hope they provide you with a sane setup |
| 11:36.44 | jelly-home | Stava: these are third party builds. They might or might not work, and might or might not break futher down the line, perhaps when you decide to upgrade your OS to the next release of Debian. |
| 11:36.47 | debianoob | ok, ok\ |
| 11:37.00 | debianoob | yea... |
| 11:37.22 | Stava | jelly-home, but it shouldnt be too long until I can use the official repos for php 5.3? |
| 11:37.22 | debianoob | whole point... i use binary dist for this reason |
| 11:37.40 | debianoob | no, sid will be stable then |
| 11:37.49 | debianoob | maybe\ |
| 11:37.49 | thewanderer1 | when pigs fly... |
| 11:37.53 | debianoob | :D |
| 11:37.53 | jelly-home | Stava: that will happen only when the next release (codename squeeze) is out. |
| 11:38.03 | jelly-home | debianoob: sid will never be "stable". |
| 11:38.13 | debianoob | point well taken |
| 11:38.25 | Stava | Am I to assume there is no date for that release? |
| 11:38.27 | citizenkeys | if i want to get the latest vlc and run it on debian lenny, how should I do that? |
| 11:38.28 | debianoob | sid will NOT be stable |
| 11:38.30 | jelly-home | debianoob: well taken? You're talking nonsense. |
| 11:38.39 | debianoob | ^^ |
| 11:38.49 | debianoob | yes nonsense indeed |
| 11:38.51 | jelly-home | debianoob: /msg dpkg sid; /msg dpkg testing; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 11:39.02 | debianoob | ok ok yeayea |
| 11:39.05 | debianoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.54 | jelly-home | Stava: yeah, indeed Debian doesn't use time-based deadlines or even estimates. |
| 11:40.28 | debianoob | ib |
| 11:40.57 | debianoob | jelly-home: actually... debian has switched as ov dec 2009? |
| 11:41.09 | debianoob | beoming more ubuntu like?? |
| 11:41.24 | jelly-home | Stava: if you're planning for a development system, you could try debian testing ("squeeze"), which is currently preparing for a release, most of the software is fixed in versions ("frozen"), and has php 5.3.3 |
| 11:41.26 | debianoob | timely releases, te whole 9 |
| 11:41.36 | jelly-home | debianoob: incorrect |
| 11:41.43 | debianoob | debian = sleeping giant |
| 11:41.54 | debianoob | no you = incorrect |
| 11:42.05 | debianoob | brb dring |
| 11:42.22 | Stava | jelly-home, this is a production environment, i used an ubuntu server previously, and they have php 5.3 in the official repos :o |
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| 11:42.34 | Stava | and that reminds me, is there no sudo in debian? :o |
| 11:42.35 | Pinchiukas | How do I grub-mkconfig from a chroot environment? |
| 11:42.44 | jelly-home | Stava: sudo? install it. |
| 11:42.45 | Pinchiukas | I'm running from a livecd. |
| 11:42.58 | Pinchiukas | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
| 11:43.11 | Stava | jelly-home, cool, thanks |
| 11:43.12 | Pinchiukas | I'll have to make a grub.cfg manually? |
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| 11:43.19 | jelly-home | Stava: why don't you keep using ubuntu then, if it works? Stick to a LTS release if you have to? |
| 11:43.40 | Stava | jelly-home, I dont know why |
| 11:44.34 | debianoob | stava: apt-get install sudo; visudo; usermod -G sudo -a <yourname> |
| 11:44.55 | debianoob | fk ubuntu |
| 11:45.09 | debianoob | fsck ubuntu* |
| 11:45.29 | Stava | Well I want to try different distributions I guess |
| 11:45.35 | debianoob | no u dont |
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| 11:45.43 | debianoob | try one that works |
| 11:45.53 | Stava | im currently trying debian :p |
| 11:46.02 | jelly-home | Stava: "want to try" doesn't mesh well with "production enviroment" in my language |
| 11:46.09 | debianoob | lol |
| 11:46.38 | Stava | You have a point |
| 11:46.41 | debianoob | i "wtt" a 'saource based distro" for my "production" environment? |
| 11:47.17 | debianoob | yea dont make since |
| 11:47.18 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: bind-mount /dev, /proc and /sys into the chroot |
| 11:47.45 | debianoob | no productivity |
| 11:47.49 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: /dev is there. |
| 11:48.03 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: and the other two? |
| 11:48.06 | debianoob | in sourcebased distro like gentoo ot free vbsd |
| 11:48.16 | debianoob | it like a virus |
| 11:48.26 | debianoob | dont let it infect u |
| 11:49.10 | debianoob | debian install: |
| 11:49.23 | debianoob | it sometime impossibl but |
| 11:49.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | debianoob: for crying out loud. stop abusing the enter key |
| 11:49.38 | simonrvn | and try using english |
| 11:49.58 | debianoob | ffs i sry my friend... maybe some other night i extrapolate |
| 11:50.29 | debianoob | english, i dunno it tough lang |
| 11:51.02 | debianoob | hey fujktard |
| 11:51.09 | debianoob | how u doin |
| 11:51.10 | debianoob | ? |
| 11:51.14 | HackeMate | when I plug a TVusb and I execute lsusb I don't see the new device, does that means It's being unsupported? |
| 11:51.35 | debianoob | nope not at all |
| 11:51.39 | debianoob | lspci |
| 11:51.53 | debianoob | ok nm... |
| 11:51.57 | debianoob | hmm |
| 11:52.02 | debianoob | ok |
| 11:52.08 | debianoob | lsusb |
| 11:52.13 | debianoob | ? |
| 11:52.33 | debianoob | waiting |
| 11:52.36 | debianoob | ... |
| 11:52.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops could debianoob be given an authoritive reminder of !enter and general in channel behaviour please |
| 11:52.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kamping_kaiser complains about: could debianoob be given an authoritive reminder of !enter and general in channel behaviour please |
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| 11:52.45 | simonrvn | !tell debianoob about enter |
| 11:52.55 | HackeMate | I have him ignored |
| 11:53.05 | HackeMate | Is disturbing days ago |
| 11:53.13 | jelly-home | that's a good idea, too much noise |
| 11:53.16 | debianoob | kk, my bad i give myself 1 more warnong abor axcessive enerrs: |
| 11:53.26 | simonrvn | HackeMate: check dmesg, syslog to see if it got detected; |
| 11:53.49 | HackeMate | oh |
| 11:53.50 | HackeMate | dvb-usb: found a 'Elgato EyeTV DTT' in cold state, will try to load a firmware |
| 11:54.21 | simonrvn | ah, might be missing firmware |
| 11:54.31 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/ufSLYYS7 this is the full report |
| 11:54.40 | HackeMate | any chance to get it working? |
| 11:54.45 | citizenkeys | any ideas why vlc would refuse to play a video track? |
| 11:54.45 | debianoob | hmm ok lsusb: noerrors that is ok |
| 11:54.51 | HackeMate | its compatible linux and mac, but no idea about linux |
| 11:54.58 | HackeMate | i mean windows and mac |
| 11:55.02 | debianoob | in linux |
| 11:55.08 | debianoob | o |
| 11:55.12 | simonrvn | yeh, exactly, missing firmware |
| 11:55.32 | debianoob | old problem, old solutio... |
| 11:55.45 | simonrvn | unplug it, unload the module, install some firmware to /lib/firmware, re-plug |
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| 11:55.52 | debianoob | first try to install gomplayer |
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| 11:56.06 | simonrvn | probably in firmwar-linux-nonfree or something like that |
| 11:56.08 | debianoob | gomplayer is from korea |
| 11:56.12 | simonrvn | debianoob: why? |
| 11:56.20 | debianoob | and therefore supreior |
| 11:56.21 | simonrvn | debianoob: shut up |
| 11:56.35 | debianoob | um |
| 11:56.36 | simonrvn | firmware* |
| 11:56.37 | debianoob | ok |
| 11:56.45 | debianoob | so, |
| 11:56.48 | debianoob | anyway |
| 11:56.59 | debianoob | gomplayer is from korea |
| 11:57.06 | jelly-home | HackeMate: google its usbid or that name and linux; chances are the firmware files need to be cut out of windows drivers or similar |
| 11:57.15 | debianoob | butits ottally ommunist |
| 11:57.24 | HackeMate | hm, dvb-usb: Elgato EyeTV DTT successfully initialized and connected. |
| 11:57.28 | HackeMate | so is already installed? |
| 11:57.29 | debianoob | so u have to deicide |
| 11:57.54 | amee2k | what is the best tool to check a hard disk for defective sectors? |
| 11:58.09 | debianoob | the "best"? |
| 11:58.15 | debianoob | imho... |
| 11:58.16 | dutchfish | debianoob: please reconsider some etiquette, dont produce noise only. |
| 11:58.18 | amee2k | the device in question is a microdrive attached via a diagnostics IDE to USB adapter |
| 11:58.19 | debianoob | rdy? |
| 11:58.21 | debianoob | ok |
| 11:58.27 | debianoob | ok, its.. |
| 11:58.48 | debianoob | DISKCHCK2,24 |
| 11:58.54 | debianoob | MY FAV |
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| 11:59.16 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: try badblocks. or just create VFAT or ext2 on it, fill it with one *huge* file or several smaller, unplug, replug and check the md5sums before and after |
| 11:59.21 | debianoob | i probably should upgrayed |
| 11:59.26 | HackeMate | now a silly question: what software to use this tv tuner? |
| 11:59.34 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 11:59.43 | debianoob | ybadblockks not withstanding |
| 12:00.03 | thewanderer1 | HackeMate: if you already have a working V4L device, try xawtv - always worked for me with cable TV |
| 12:00.07 | amee2k | mmmh wheres abrotman gone when you need him >_< |
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| 12:00.17 | amee2k | thewanderer1: hmmm what package is badblocks in? sformat? |
| 12:00.22 | debianoob | ahha a microwave connected to a ... hahah ... |
| 12:00.25 | HackeMate | thewanderer1: thanks there I go |
| 12:00.36 | simonrvn | bets HackeMate's firmware is packaged |
| 12:00.56 | debianoob | is thewanderer1 being brilliant again? |
| 12:01.12 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: e2fsprogs |
| 12:01.37 | debianoob | hmm |
| 12:01.37 | amee2k | ooh, cool. i didn't know that one |
| 12:01.44 | debianoob | yea ahtyever |
| 12:01.57 | debianoob | ok whtever |
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| 12:02.12 | debianoob | ok im drinking |
| 12:02.42 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: actually, badblocks is not as helpful as manually creating loads of files and checking their md5sums - first when they're still in the block cache, then after remounting that (unplug/replug) - will catch 95% of block errors |
| 12:02.43 | debianoob | ok, hel |
| 12:02.48 | debianoob | hello |
| 12:02.57 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: is there any reason you can't use SMART with this drive? |
| 12:03.17 | debianoob | nice thewanderer1, good info |
| 12:03.39 | debianoob | any other insightful folkes out htere?? |
| 12:03.45 | amee2k | thewanderer1: i tried but either it doesn't do smart or the diagnostics adapter doesn't work for that |
| 12:03.48 | debianoob | no? |
| 12:03.49 | debianoob | ok |
| 12:04.34 | debianoob | smart scan |
| 12:04.37 | amee2k | i could put it in my desktop in place of the cdrom drive, but i'd need to take it off line for that |
| 12:04.42 | debianoob | utility? |
| 12:04.54 | jelly-home | debianoob: stop writing, please |
| 12:05.03 | amee2k | so i'm trying to find another way to confirm a disk error that is easier |
| 12:05.23 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: do you have any filesystems on there, or can you use the whole drive? |
| 12:05.59 | thewanderer1 | (for the purposes of testing, that is) |
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| 12:06.16 | Upgreydd | hi all again, is here any DNS expert? |
| 12:06.50 | amee2k | thewanderer1: no data on there that i'd miss. when i suspected the drive to be bad, i pulled an image |
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| 12:07.29 | dutchfish | Upgreydd: at this time you better asked #bind channel, but you can always ask if it is debian related |
| 12:07.41 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: then it may be wise to create a filesystem spanning the whole device or one huge partition, dump random contents on there (BIG files preferable - ISO images of Debian, contents of /dev/urandom ...) |
| 12:07.52 | citizenkeys | thank you to everybody for your help. |
| 12:07.57 | citizenkeys | this non-profit now has a working media center. |
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| 12:08.45 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: you take a note of all md5sums there locally (RIGHT after writing, without unplugging), then umount, unplug, plug, mount, compute the md5sums once again, compare. |
| 12:08.54 | amee2k | hmmm to confirm a checksum for later comparison i should prepare the files someplace else, eh? |
| 12:09.05 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 12:09.33 | thewanderer1 | if dealing with huge files, the block cache might not keep up and just read them back from the device |
| 12:10.04 | amee2k | yeah. its a 4GB drive and i've got 2GB ram (1.6 of which are used by firefsck) |
| 12:10.28 | amee2k | i'm running the badblocks thing in read-write mode now |
| 12:10.35 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 12:11.06 | thewanderer1 | actually, it allows you to override bad blocks :) I had Debian running on a disk with bad blocks and it just worked around them :P |
| 12:11.07 | amee2k | i'd kinda hope whoever wrote it knew about the cache and worked around it |
| 12:11.52 | thewanderer1 | well, badblocks gets around VFS, so it checks the device's blocks directly |
| 12:12.00 | amee2k | 4GB CF cards are cheap these days. if the drive is bad, i'll see if i can get one of these as replacement |
| 12:12.19 | thewanderer1 | yup, just don't go below 200x speeds :P |
| 12:12.26 | amee2k | lol |
| 12:12.32 | amee2k | its the drive from an ipod mini |
| 12:12.59 | amee2k | i recently got it for free and tried installing rockbox on it, but its running very unstable |
| 12:13.29 | amee2k | the folks in #rockbox said the ipod ports are kinda steady-state by now and i shouldn't have many issues really |
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| 12:14.06 | amee2k | the "diagnostics mode" sdram check passed, but the hdd test seems to freeze. so i took the drive out for a thorough look |
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| 12:36.41 | amee2k | mmmh, how do i figure out whether a USB device uses high speed mode or just full speec? |
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| 12:44.23 | Pinchiukas | What was the command to remove config files from removed packages |
| 12:45.00 | mutante | apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 12:45.13 | Pinchiukas | After the packages have been removed. |
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| 12:45.43 | stuckey | i can't delete a printer in cups -- when I click "Delete printer" nothing happens. Similar to all of the other choices, clicking produces nothing. |
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| 12:47.03 | mutante | stuckey: did you scroll down all the way? i thought that was happening to me in cups as well, until i noticed it is just a bug in the UI / html, and you have to scroll down all the way which appears to be a blank page at first glance |
| 12:48.04 | stuckey | mutante: there's no scrolling to be done. |
| 12:48.24 | mutante | shrug, was worth a try |
| 12:49.36 | schlurchz | Pinchiukas: apt-get doesn't cut it? I think it should, otherwise use dpkg --purge |
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| 13:08.54 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i want to setup a video conferencing server... (basically audio and video chat) ... what package can should i intall for it? |
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| 13:10.23 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 13:10.47 | inkjetunit | hi |
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| 13:11.00 | abrotman | greenmang0: never done it, never looked at linux software for it |
| 13:11.11 | dutchfish | greenmang0: gnomemeeting ? |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | i think he means for many people at once .. not sure if that can do that |
| 13:12.57 | dutchfish | what about open-tok ? |
| 13:13.29 | dutchfish | but gnomemeeting can do multi-sessions, yes |
| 13:13.44 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: it's now called ekiga |
| 13:14.04 | inkjetunit | is there any chances that 5.0 would work on a decstation? |
| 13:14.15 | inkjetunit | *5.0 mipsel |
| 13:14.22 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: but it's a client... not a server |
| 13:14.37 | dutchfish | greenmang0: yes, have a peak at open-tok |
| 13:14.44 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: http://ekiga.org/ |
| 13:14.46 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: ok |
| 13:15.03 | dutchfish | greenmang0: its been a long while i have use it all myself |
| 13:15.22 | abrotman | inkjetunit: look at the mips installation guide |
| 13:15.56 | dutchfish | greenmang0: nowadays i gave up on soft-tools for that and went to an apliance |
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| 13:18.10 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: video conferencing is a paid service in open-tok |
| 13:18.14 | inkjetunit | abrotman: decsystems are not listed there, but those might have been supported before |
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| 13:19.18 | dutchfish | greenmang0: yes, someone has to pay for the bandwidth, hardware etc. i have not seen production ready open source systems yet |
| 13:19.40 | dutchfish | greenmang0: at least not for free |
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| 13:19.53 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: ok ... thanks for the info :) |
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| 13:19.59 | dutchfish | greenmang0: yw |
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| 13:20.18 | abrotman | inkjetunit: aren't old DEC systems alphas ? |
| 13:20.57 | inkjetunit | abrotman: some are, but DECsystem/station 5000 series is mips r3000 and r4000 |
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| 13:21.30 | abrotman | inkjetunit: and the MIPS install guide doens't say anything out the CPU? |
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| 13:21.32 | dutchfish | greenmang0: you can get a free api key for testing up to 10 seats http://www.tokbox.com/opentok/build/apikey |
| 13:22.16 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: yeah... but there will be at least 25 people ... |
| 13:22.47 | dutchfish | greenmang0: well, you cant do it yourself for that price |
| 13:23.29 | dutchfish | greenmang0: but it is your call |
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| 13:23.52 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: right |
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| 13:24.06 | abrotman | !tell inkjetunit about mips |
| 13:24.13 | inkjetunit | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mipsel/ch02s01.html.en hmm. mine is a 32-bit mips r3000. 4kc-malta sounds like 4000.. damn |
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| 13:24.20 | dutchfish | greenmang0: if you want to develop something form scratch, have a peak at videolan project |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | inkjetunit: seems like it would be an easy thing to check and see if it boots? |
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| 13:25.16 | dutchfish | greenmang0: i have seen poeple working on simular projects based on that, but nothing concrete as of yet |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | inkjetunit: there's also a debian-mips mailing list i'm sure |
| 13:25.45 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: i guess ... videolan project is used for streaming only |
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| 13:25.57 | abrotman | inkjetunit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ |
| 13:25.58 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: audio chat wont be possible |
| 13:25.58 | inkjetunit | abrotman: i will try booting it, if i can find that a port for that machine actually existed before |
| 13:26.04 | dutchfish | greenmang0: not only, there is alot more circling around that 'core' |
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| 13:26.57 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: ok.... but i want something to setup before Monday 4pm .... |
| 13:27.06 | dutchfish | greenmang0: icecast is also a good playground to dig in |
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| 13:27.22 | dutchfish | greenmang0: then you have to play hardball |
| 13:28.57 | dutchfish | greenmang0: for expirimental setups you could 'try' also this http://www.zeromq.org/code:examples-camera |
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| 13:31.08 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: looks interesting |
| 13:31.54 | silidan | hi, i need kstars with indi support, but in the sid repo its only compiled without... getting the source via apt-get leaves me with a package i dont know how to compile... kdeedu-someversion |
| 13:32.37 | dutchfish | greenmang0: i have to run now, let me know if it worked out |
| 13:32.55 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: sure :) |
| 13:33.04 | dutchfish | greenmang0: good luck |
| 13:33.46 | greenmang0 | dutchfish: thanks!! ... flying dutchman :P |
| 13:33.54 | dutchfish | :) |
| 13:34.11 | silidan | oops, my question would be: anyone here that can direct me in the right direction? (i only need kstars, libindi is already compiled and installed) |
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| 13:34.36 | silidan | hi, i need kstars with indi support, but in the sid repo its only compiled without... getting the source via apt-get leaves me with a package i dont know how to compile... kdeedu-someversion ...so my question would be: anyone here that can direct me in the right direction? (i only need kstars, libindi is already compiled and installed) |
| 13:35.24 | stew | silidan: /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:35.39 | stew | silidan: and /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 13:37.32 | silidan | stew: i suppose this gets me the package build exactly like i find it in the repo? |
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| 13:47.18 | silidan | stew: thanks for the hint, found a tutorial about rebuilding debian packages... will try that |
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| 13:49.01 | stew | silidan: it gets you one exactly like you find in the repo (depending on what versions of the libraries are installed), until you edit debian/rules or patch the source |
| 13:49.25 | stew | silidan: if you make changes, you should add a changelog entry to change the version number of the resulting package, dch can help with this |
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| 14:20.59 | sigmaBond | techblite how r u |
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| 14:23.15 | techblithe | hello SigmaBond |
| 14:23.21 | sigmaBond | techblithe: could u see me |
| 14:23.27 | techblithe | yea |
| 14:23.31 | stuckey | which package do I need to open ppt files with openoffice? |
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| 14:25.48 | stuckey | how do I tell which packages are installed from a certain release? For example, if it's a mixed system. |
| 14:25.48 | xand | stuckey: openoffice.org ? |
| 14:25.57 | stuckey | xand: yeah I just went ahead and installed the whole thing. |
| 14:26.42 | xand | there aren't speerate packages afaik |
| 14:26.53 | stuckey | there are |
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| 14:28.16 | xand | so why did you ask |
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| 14:28.52 | stuckey | xand: no one answered immediately. |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | problem solved! |
| 14:29.10 | xand | OHNO! |
| 14:29.22 | xand | searching for packages is hard. |
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| 14:40.40 | thinksteve | Hey, how can I check what touchpad is build into my eeepc 701, running squeeze, synaptics refuses to load, so I'm missing multitouch features |
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| 14:43.28 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:43.28 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
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| 14:52.57 | starenka | hi channel. can somebody tell me how to accept tcp connection on port xyz only from certain ips? |
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| 14:54.26 | abrotman | iptables |
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| 14:57.00 | lord_rob | there are tutorials on the net I suppose |
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| 14:58.19 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can paste the default squeeze sources.list? |
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| 14:58.29 | abrotman | what's wrong with yours? |
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| 15:00.56 | Pinchiukas | I kind of deleted it. :) |
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| 15:11.47 | EvilGenius | I'm getting this error on SCP "command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: PermitLocalCommand" | (Debian Lenny) |
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| 15:17.13 | Chelsea | I'd like to make something like grep -lnr 'pattern' |vim, so the file opens at the line where the match is. The one problem is the line number, that doesn't show with -n. Does anyone know how to get around that? |
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| 15:20.41 | micols | Chelsea: it should print linenumbers with -n usually |
| 15:21.31 | Chelsea | micols, doesn't seem to work in combination with l. |
| 15:21.43 | Chelsea | the question is why ;) |
| 15:21.58 | Chelsea | ... or how to get around it |
| 15:23.02 | micols | because it stops at first match when using -l , so it doesn't bother to write line numbers iirc |
| 15:23.44 | micols | -Hn I would use instead I think |
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| 15:26.07 | Chelsea | micols, hmmm... the problem there is that it also outputs the line itself. I'd just like to get the filename and line number so I can parse that to vim and open the file where the match it at that exact place. |
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| 15:30.17 | micols | I would do egrep on it then |
| 15:30.32 | schlurchz | Chelsea: and you would like to do that with a recursive grep? |
| 15:31.23 | Chelsea | schlurchz, I'd like pattern search to be recursive yes. |
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| 15:31.44 | micols | grep -Hrn |cut -d: -f-2 |
| 15:31.55 | micols | should give you filename:linenum |
| 15:32.09 | thinksteve | Finally came to the conclusion that the touchpad of the 701 doesn't support multitouch, according to hal it's build by synaptic :( |
| 15:33.44 | Chelsea | micols, cut! right, thanks. Completely forgot about that. I was allready googling the differences between all the grep programs (grep, egrep, fgrep, somegrep). |
| 15:34.45 | schlurchz | I doubt it's possible to open multiple files in vim on particular line numbers each, or is it? |
| 15:36.10 | micols | you can with a macro |
| 15:36.18 | micols | and likely without as well :) |
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| 15:39.58 | Chelsea | micols, this is a huge timesaver. Thanks again mate! |
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| 15:41.11 | dutchfish | hi, in debian testing there is for as long as i know a warning about lilypond-doc, install-info: warning: no info dir entry in foo (4 lines) | wil it get fixed before freeze is over? |
| 15:42.06 | dutchfish | it should be rebuilt with new debhelper to get trigger support |
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| 15:48.25 | Male | My Forums Website: http://professionaldays.weebly.com/forums.html#/ |
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| 15:50.19 | R101011 | see that 1 is you... :D |
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| 15:52.26 | gizmore | can someone help me with pam? i want to make smtp auth work with mysql and normal linux accounts... is that possible? (so 2 auth mechanisms for smtp) |
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| 15:53.17 | dutchfish | maybe lilypond (2.12.3-7) is a candidate for hinting? |
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| 15:54.10 | mirak | hi |
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| 15:55.06 | gizmore | http://pastebin.com/wRtf7q42 Help or push is appreciated |
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| 15:55.41 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 15:59.41 | dutchfish | gizmore: for postfix: auth required pam_permit.so (at the top of my head) |
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| 16:00.02 | gizmore | dutchfish: thank you very much. i will try :) |
| 16:00.08 | mirak | hello |
| 16:00.38 | dutchfish | gizmore: yw |
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| 16:01.07 | Sark | Hello guys. |
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| 16:01.43 | mirak | is it possible if B-1.5 package depends of A-1.5 , to prevent any automatic upgrade of A to A-1.6 if B-1.6 doesn't exist yet ? |
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| 16:02.28 | jetscreamer | !hold |
| 16:02.29 | dpkg | hold is probably a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 16:02.45 | gizmore | dutchfish: does not seem to work :( |
| 16:02.54 | mirak | jetscreamer, I know hold, but I mean it at package creation |
| 16:03.04 | dutchfish | gizmore: check the postfix pages, it is in there somewhere |
| 16:03.13 | gizmore | oki, thank you :) |
| 16:03.26 | mirak | jetscreamer, I am rereading some docs but forgot some parts |
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| 16:04.17 | mirak | jetscreamer, the idea is that it should not require a user operation |
| 16:04.37 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 16:04.37 | mirak | A-1.6 would unlock only if B-1.6 is made available |
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| 16:05.21 | abrotman | mirak: is it trying to remove package B ? |
| 16:05.22 | dutchfish | gizmore: this of course only works for local users only |
| 16:05.47 | gizmore | dutchfish: yes, i have mysqldb for virtual users, and i have my own email as local user |
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| 16:05.56 | dutchfish | gizmore: ok |
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| 16:07.24 | mirak | abrotman, no, the package B is left there but is unfunctionnal |
| 16:07.33 | dutchfish | gizmore: order might be important to (not sure) |
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| 16:07.44 | mirak | abrotman, B is a plugin of A, and if A version increases, A can't load B. |
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| 16:08.19 | gizmore | dutchfish: pam_permit is a PAM module that always permit access. It does nothing else. :P |
| 16:09.24 | abrotman | mirak: so how is this an apt problem ? |
| 16:09.27 | dutchfish | gizmore: yep, but auth required in front makes it so |
| 16:09.31 | mirak | abrotman, since I prefer have an older version of A-1.5 with B-1.5, than A-1.6 without B, I would prefer A-1.6 to not install. |
| 16:09.41 | gizmore | dutchfish: hmm ok |
| 16:09.46 | abrotman | mirak: or you could stop being vague |
| 16:09.59 | dutchfish | gizmore: by default it refers to local users |
| 16:10.23 | dutchfish | gizmore: but again, it must be in the postfix pages |
| 16:10.45 | mirak | abrotman, or you can read again, I said I want to package B in a way that A-1.5 will not upgrade to A-1.6 if B-1.6 doens't exist yet |
| 16:10.51 | abrotman | nope .. not playing |
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| 16:11.38 | mirak | abrotman, I am reading the doc of course http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 16:14.07 | mirak | I am not sure if I must use something like Conflicts: A ( > 1.5 ) for instance |
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| 16:34.06 | anoob | hi, i don't have any sound and sometimes alsamixer controls are disabled (grey). sometimes i can change then... any ideia? |
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| 16:37.34 | thomas1 | do you have control in root? anoob , in this case probably permission for users if not maybe your drivers |
| 16:38.14 | anoob | thomas1, sometimes I have it, sometimes I don't have it... |
| 16:38.43 | anoob | I can't modprobe snd_trident... i get an error: http://paste.uni.cc/21080 |
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| 16:40.27 | thomas1 | No such file or directory anoob |
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| 16:47.58 | anoob | what should i do thomas1? |
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| 17:09.24 | paxcoder | hello. i've tried to apt-get install glade, it says it is "is not available, but is referred to by another package". I tried to apt-cache search for it, but found nothing. I'm using sqeeze, but pinned sid. Ideas, does it fetch on your squeeze installs? |
| 17:09.33 | Drakeson | assume I installed a package and later on removed some of its recommended or suggested packages. The main package is still installed. How can I ask for reinstallation of package and its suggestions? |
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| 17:11.58 | abrotman | paxcoder: aptitude search glade ? |
| 17:12.09 | paxcoder | Drakeson, apt-get install --reinstall <package>? |
| 17:12.40 | abrotman | that won't reinstall suggestions |
| 17:12.41 | paxcoder | abrotman, aptitude lists it o.O |
| 17:12.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: aptitude install glade . says what ? |
| 17:13.08 | abrotman | make sure you aptitude update first |
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| 17:13.22 | omps | w |
| 17:13.25 | omps | Hi All |
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| 17:14.15 | paxcoder | abrotman, "No candidate version found for glade". even though search found it after update |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | paxcoder: aptitude whynot glade ? |
| 17:15.07 | paxcoder | Unknown command "whynot" |
| 17:15.21 | qq- | glade - GTK+ 2 User Interface Builder |
| 17:15.23 | abrotman | why-not |
| 17:15.29 | abrotman | judd: versions glade |
| 17:15.31 | judd | Package glade on i386 -- etch: 2.12.1-7; lenny: 3.4.5-3; sid: 3.6.7-1+b1; squeeze: 3.6.7-1+b1 |
| 17:15.36 | paxcoder | "Unable to find a reason to remove glade" |
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| 17:16.10 | abrotman | paxcoder: in a pastebin `cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; aptitude update ; aptitude install glade' |
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| 17:18.37 | abrotman | shouldn't take that long ... |
| 17:18.41 | paxcoder | http://debian.pastebin.com/86QW1tT5 |
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| 17:19.43 | abrotman | i won't even ask why oyu have the squeeze security updates in there |
| 17:19.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: pastebin 'apt-cache policy glade' |
| 17:20.01 | paxcoder | the question is why there's no squeeze other things |
| 17:20.17 | abrotman | because you're running unstable |
| 17:20.23 | paxcoder | -1 |
| 17:20.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: actually pastebin 'apt-cache policy;apt-cache policy glade' |
| 17:20.35 | paxcoder | says squeeze/sid |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | your sources say you're running unstable .. so did you |
| 17:21.02 | abrotman | eh, nevermind |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | anyway .. paste what i asked for |
| 17:21.31 | paxcoder | http://debian.pastebin.com/8rnEeEKp |
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| 17:22.13 | abrotman | -1 means you cannot install it |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | IIRC anyway |
| 17:22.26 | paxcoder | yes, i'm missing squeeze stuff for some strange reason |
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| 17:22.52 | paxcoder | added. works now. |
| 17:23.00 | paxcoder | thanks |
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| 17:38.54 | redfire | hi all |
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| 17:45.20 | zeev | Hi, my whole hard drive is filled with an LVM partition - I would like to make some place to install windows. Should I shrink lvm and add 1-2 new partitions? If yes - do you know a tutorial that shows how to do it step by step? |
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| 17:45.24 | nsisodiya | I am now going to adopt Debian as my prime distro, but I want know that What exactly is the difference between Ubuntu and Debian. I am a GNU/Linux user from long time but I want the technical detail. Because I am going to create a Custom Distro for schools which will be deployed at large scale, right now i have done it using Ubuntu but i am not happy with ubuntu. Gnesence and trisquel are also made on ubuntu.. What is the advantage of using ubuntu ov |
| 17:45.24 | nsisodiya | er debian for a novice user |
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| 17:47.33 | pallgone | man, not again this crap |
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| 17:47.54 | kj4 | how do i enable sasl |
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| 17:48.29 | ikonia | kj4: it's spam, ignore it |
| 17:48.37 | ikonia | the fact that some idiot poisted it 4 times flooding a channel shows it's not an offical notice |
| 17:48.43 | ikonia | posted even |
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| 17:48.56 | AmberJ | 12:47:19 < neno1od> [*|NOTICE|*] AT 10PM TONIGHT, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO |
| 17:48.57 | pallgone | someone ban him? |
| 17:48.59 | pallgone | !op |
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| 17:49.06 | AmberJ | Is it spam? |
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| 17:49.24 | kj4 | i think its real. and i'm very concerned |
| 17:49.36 | AmberJ | LEt me check on #freenode. |
| 17:49.54 | carandraug | it's spam. I've seen this before. |
| 17:49.54 | pallgone | it's NOT real |
| 17:49.55 | arvind_khadri | AmberJ, yes it is |
| 17:49.59 | pallgone | get a grip |
| 17:50.33 | AmberJ | Thanks for confirming. |
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| 17:51.32 | jayne | kj4: see http://blog.freenode.net/?p=1082 |
| 17:51.33 | gizmore | also this spam makes no sense, does it? what has sasl to do with irc? Oo |
| 17:51.43 | zeev | Hi, my whole hard drive is filled with an LVM partition - I would like to make some place to install windows. Should I shrink lvm and add 1-2 new partitions? If yes - do you know a tutorial that shows how to do it step by step? |
| 17:51.43 | jayne | we do support SASL, actually :-) |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | could we drop it .. stop discussing it here |
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| 17:51.56 | jayne | http://freenode.net/sasl/ has some info about it if you're curious |
| 17:52.11 | abrotman | Back to Debian? |
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| 17:53.32 | gizmore | aight. back to debian :) thx anyway jayne :) |
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| 17:53.49 | vinsci_ | so, in debian sid, kwalletmanager seems to have lost the wallet after the last upgrade. any pointers? |
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| 17:54.31 | nsisodiya | I am now going to adopt Debian as my prime distro, but I want know that What exactly is the difference between Ubuntu and Debian. I am a GNU/Linux user from long time but I want the technical detail. Because I am going to create a Custom Distro for schools which will be deployed at large scale, right now i have done it using Ubuntu but i am not happy with ubuntu. Gnesence and trisquel are also made on ubuntu.. What is the advantage of using ubuntu ov |
| 17:54.32 | nsisodiya | er debian for a novice user |
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| 17:55.26 | stew | ^^^^ please ignore that |
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| 17:58.17 | pallgone | nsisodiya: well, ubuntu doesn't have root enabled per default, the user only deals with one password, then also ubuntu is getting a new release all six months, so it's more up to date, but also quite buggy and unreliable, there's also the long-term release which is probably not so bad, hmm, also debian doesn't include non-free stuff like ubuntu and it's harder to add non-free drivers |
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| 18:00.02 | R101011 | not really just add non-free to the repos |
| 18:00.20 | nsisodiya | pallgone, I am project admin of SchoolOS , and I want a Distro which should have a long term release cycle otherwise coursebook and labPC will look different, |
| 18:00.21 | pallgone | R101011: yeah, but ubuntu makes it easier with a GUI |
| 18:00.43 | nsisodiya | pallgone, At India, We need software availablity |
| 18:00.55 | R101011 | true, if you like the gui's |
| 18:01.29 | nsisodiya | pallgone, Please visit http://schoolos.org , I am creating its next release and now looking for debian as option |
| 18:01.45 | vinsci_ | nsisodiya, then the LTS versions of Ubuntu are likely your best choice (LTS=Long Term Support) |
| 18:02.54 | nsisodiya | vinsci_, TLS is more buggy , I have not released any version of schoolos after 9.10 because of buggyness, I really need a distro whose software may be old but it should work very well... |
| 18:03.27 | vinsci_ | hmm, well Debian Stable is your next stop |
| 18:03.35 | pallgone | nsisodiya: well, then debian is a good choice, even "testing" is much stabler than ubuntu IMO |
| 18:03.55 | nsisodiya | See, In India, we really do not have bandwidth, So we have created this distro for bandwidthless school so idea is to dump everything on one DVD |
| 18:04.04 | nsadmin | nsisodiya: you are advised to author your materials in such a way as to be independent of changes, as much as possible. this is called portability, and I see that it would be an advantageous concept for you, which will serve you no matter what dist you choose |
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| 18:04.15 | vinsci_ | [please disregard my kwalletmanager question - works perfectly OK when you open the wallet as the right user...] |
| 18:04.38 | nsadmin | deletes the left user |
| 18:05.22 | nsisodiya | pallgone, See, without giving "one click Install" option in a Distro, it is very difficult to have mass adoption of GNU/Linux in India. |
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| 18:05.41 | nsadmin | not going to happen soon. |
| 18:05.57 | nsadmin | just so you know |
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| 18:06.29 | nsisodiya | pallgone, What is your thought , I am creating a "one click install" system too. - http://code.google.com/p/debbundle/ |
| 18:07.40 | delarge | hi |
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| 18:08.06 | delarge | i have installed 'shockwave flash 10.1 r102' (the file .deb of the adobe's web ) |
| 18:08.15 | delarge | but i cant see a video on youtube |
| 18:08.29 | pallgone | nsisodiya: hoho, you are doing a lot of stuff :) |
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| 18:08.38 | delarge | on debian lenny |
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| 18:09.49 | nsisodiya | pallgone, I manage one of the biggest LUG of India.. :P and lots of FOSS advocacy in India Ex - http://techrights.org/2010/10/21/aicte-challenged/ |
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| 18:12.54 | vinsci_ | delarge, you probably just want to install the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 18:13.22 | nsadmin | nsisodiya: unless you're willing to alter the partitions of the install target's HD without the target owner being able to interact or give permission or even consider what would happen, you're looking at an uphill climb |
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| 18:14.32 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, not getting you ! :( How it is possible ?? |
| 18:14.55 | nsadmin | consider the implications of "one click install" |
| 18:15.21 | nsisodiya | pallgone, http://wiki.schoolos.org/index.php?title=Dream_Linux If I can make this true, GNU/Linux can be a hit in India or any country which do not have network bandwidth to download |
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| 18:15.52 | nsadmin | operating systems that have such an installer are willing to adopt the concept they -own- the target machine's hd |
| 18:15.56 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, It simple mean, one standard system which most of the library,, which can be declared as universal base package... |
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| 18:16.19 | nsadmin | sure, that part is very doable |
| 18:16.27 | nsadmin | look into FAI |
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| 18:17.10 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, I am talking about something like this - http://wiki.schoolos.org/index.php?title=Dream_Linux and http://code.google.com/p/debbundle/ |
| 18:17.16 | nsadmin | look into debian "blends" |
| 18:17.42 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, creating a zip file of all the deb package whoose dependancy is pre-resolved |
| 18:18.16 | nsadmin | or, just putting those packages on the dvd and arrange it like a mirror... all possible |
| 18:18.33 | nsisodiya | So basically i am looking for Or creating a zip of -pre-resolved dependancies" |
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| 18:19.08 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, no no .... user acceptance matter,, giving DVD mirror is not possible.. |
| 18:19.26 | nsadmin | but, what happens when you "one click onstall" onto a machine where the HD has no unpartitioned space, that's a problem you have to resolve |
| 18:19.33 | vinsci_ | nsisodiya, for one-click installation, I hope you've already read Appendix B in the Debian Installation Guide (AMD64 version: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en ) |
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| 18:20.42 | nsisodiya | one click installation --- Not for Distro -- I am talking for , after installing the distro, User need one click install softwares |
| 18:21.10 | nsisodiya | vinsci_, one click installation of software from Offline files |
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| 18:21.22 | nsadmin | oh... look into fai and blends |
| 18:21.38 | nsadmin | where would these offline files become available from? |
| 18:22.10 | nsadmin | what you want to do is definitely doable |
| 18:22.31 | pallgone | nsisodiya: hmm, I don't think you can do dream linux with any of the existing distros |
| 18:22.48 | nsisodiya | See, In India, Software distribution modle is Zip/PenDrive/DVD/HardDisk and not Internet.. User like one file per software, if he click it, he want it to be installed... |
| 18:23.22 | EagleScreen | hello, I have an Intel 965 onboard, it has a s-video (analog) TV-out, it is in NTSC standard and I need to switch it to PAL, on MS Windows I can do it in an Intel configuration tool which was installed with the driver, but in Linux, I don't know hot to switch from NTSC to PAL. |
| 18:23.29 | pallgone | nsisodiya: well, that's possible with debian, with .deb and gdebi |
| 18:25.07 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, pallgone I have already deviced a method where I can create a single zip file which will have all .deb files with pre-resolved dependacy, but the problem is what BASE distribution should i choose , I need to select base libraries which are common in most of the software |
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| 18:26.11 | nsadmin | debian does have a base, it's just enough to install more .debs and solve things like boot problems |
| 18:26.37 | carandraug | nsisodiya, you said before you didn't want Ubuntu LTS but didn't specify why? By the way, I think a new Debian version is coming out this christmas |
| 18:26.44 | catsup | nsisodiya: just exclude 'essential' packages |
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| 18:28.34 | nsisodiya | carandraug, It has bugs,, i want to give a stable version ! |
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| 18:28.48 | nsisodiya | catsup, essential packages ?? |
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| 18:29.15 | vinsci_ | nsisodiya, the 'essential' packages are already installed, so don't need to distribute those again |
| 18:29.43 | guaqua | i installed the latest testing with btrfs as the root fs and init ramdisk doesn't seem to have the btrfs-module included. anyone else experienced the same? |
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| 18:30.10 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, pallgone One way is to create a database of all packages which depend of what,, and then I can find out most dependant package which can fit into 600MB CD |
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| 18:30.43 | nsadmin | that database exists |
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| 18:31.20 | nsisodiya | vinsci_, See If I install a normal distro and then try to install a KDE application then all the KDE lib will be included in all KDE applications , |
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| 18:31.39 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, where ?? Package.gz ?? |
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| 18:31.55 | nsadmin | for one thing, yes |
| 18:32.27 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, I created this script -- sudo apt-get install --dry-run eclipse | sed -n '/The following NEW/{n; :a; |
| 18:32.27 | nsisodiya | $!N;s/\n[[:blank:]][[:blank:]]/ /;ta;P;D;}' |
| 18:32.42 | stew | guaqua: check for reports against the installation-reports pseudo package, if one matching your problem doesn't exist, please file one |
| 18:32.46 | nsisodiya | nsadmin, I created this script -- sudo apt-get install --dry-run eclipse | sed -n '/The following NEW/{n; :a;$!N;s/\n[[:blank:]][[:blank:]]/ /;ta;P;D;}' |
| 18:32.58 | vinsci_ | nsisodiya, well, I do't think you want to install the distro without including KDE in the basic installation |
| 18:33.19 | vinsci_ | s,do't,don't, |
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| 18:34.23 | nsadmin | there are wayy better ways of doing that :) |
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| 18:36.14 | nsadmin | for one thing, in order for that to be accurate, it has to be run on an installation with a particular set of packages installed (more important that most packages are not installed yet) |
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| 18:37.31 | nsadmin | what you want to do is decide what software you want to offer to end users, make a text list of those, then create a dep tree out of that list so that it includes all deps your desired software set needs, then you need to prune off the base packages so that you don't have to include them again (or not, if you want to also include the debian-installer) |
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| 18:38.00 | nsadmin | I know there's a database, but I don't know how it could be accessed to get the results you need |
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| 18:42.51 | nsadmin | some sort of ssl or ssh-like connection... you can ignore that, it's not official' |
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| 18:44.11 | vinsci__ | fhffhqvb, just ignore it - or see freenode.net/sasl |
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| 18:45.32 | vinsci__ | pwgen -s 12 |
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| 18:45.34 | abrotman | stuckey: search for a password generator |
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| 18:46.13 | JNSamuel | stuckey: go to mkpasswd.net |
| 18:46.23 | schlurchz | Btw, if someone has got a good pointer to an introduction to sasl, I'd be thankful. :) I find wikipedia doesn't suit here very well |
| 18:46.30 | vinsci__ | JNSamuel, now that is a seriously flawed advice |
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| 18:46.55 | JNSamuel | vinsci__: how so? |
| 18:46.59 | guaqua | :D |
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| 18:47.05 | guaqua | what an idea |
| 18:47.10 | vinsci__ | think about it |
| 18:47.20 | JNSamuel | he wanted to generate a password, i gave him a link to mkpasswd |
| 18:47.22 | schlurchz | Better idea: ask me, I'll tell you a good password :) |
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| 18:47.53 | JNSamuel | the strongest password is an encrypted password :P |
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| 18:48.46 | abrotman | JNSamuel: the website isn't encrpyted .. and it shows you the encrypted value for your password .. that you've just passed in the clear over the internet |
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| 18:49.13 | guaqua | also, the website might collect all its generated passwords |
| 18:49.24 | guaqua | makes for a quicker dictionary attack |
| 18:49.40 | vinsci__ | ...together with the IP addresses they were generated for... |
| 18:49.56 | guaqua | yes |
| 18:50.04 | JNSamuel | paranoia. |
| 18:50.07 | sdx23 | !ops |
| 18:50.13 | vinsci__ | JNSamuel, using that "service" ispretty much equivalent of asking a burglar to install the locks on your home |
| 18:50.33 | krislappy | freak... |
| 18:50.50 | steffen123_ | abrotman what website is that? sounds funny |
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| 18:50.57 | abrotman | steffen123_: see above |
| 18:51.07 | JNSamuel | i highly doubt it stores anything, you're just being paranoid. |
| 18:51.09 | saulo_Out | Good afternoon, what is the command to see what programs start on debian? |
| 18:51.15 | steffen123_ | i can't i only joined after it was said :( |
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| 18:51.25 | guaqua | steffen123_: mkpasswd.net |
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| 19:03.08 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, you use the package list you saved earlier using dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:04.46 | quirites | RenatoSilva: or read carefully /var/log/apt and remove all relevant packages |
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| 19:07.25 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: sorry I'm not used with package "selection" outside synaptic |
| 19:08.01 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: if I apt-get build-dep something then after installing all packages they'll be the selected ones? |
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| 19:09.26 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, I see. Using "dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt" you can later restore the list of installed packages using "cat packages.txt | dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 19:10.09 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: then I do apt-get remove --purge without package argument? |
| 19:10.13 | ksx4system | test |
| 19:10.43 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, let's start again |
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| 19:11.58 | SpaceDoG | has anyone had problems installing Squeeze in a virtual machine? |
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| 19:12.55 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, it's a good idea to generate the list of currently installed packages before you try installing a number of packages you may not want to keep. To generate this list, run the command "dpkg --get-selections >installed.txt". Then install whatever it is you want to install. If you later want to undo the installations, run "cat installed.txt | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 19:13.01 | stew | SpaceDoG: check for bug reports against the installation-reports pseudo package |
| 19:13.19 | SpaceDoG | installation doesn't finish... get past package selection and it never changes |
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| 19:13.38 | SpaceDoG | in gui or console it doesn't matter... it just sort of locks up |
| 19:14.18 | SpaceDoG | Well with the net install cd... guess I could try downloading a dvd and see if that works |
| 19:14.46 | stew | SpaceDoG: it should not be any different, its the same installer |
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| 19:15.13 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, since this is too late in this case, you should instead look at the file /var/log/apt/history.log, which tells you exactly which packages were installed at what time. Your latest installations will be at the very end of that file. |
| 19:15.18 | SpaceDoG | so then Squeeze just doesn't like me :( |
| 19:15.22 | SpaceDoG | or vmware |
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| 19:15.36 | amee2k_ | (units '500MB/(250kB/s)' min |
| 19:15.46 | amee2k_ | whoops :) |
| 19:15.50 | stew | SpaceDoG: did you check the installation-reports? |
| 19:16.06 | SpaceDoG | how/where do i check that at? |
| 19:16.21 | stew | SpaceDoG: installation-reports pseudo package in the bts |
| 19:16.32 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: I didn't really run build-dep, I'm trying to compile a simple helloworld pidgin plugin but before that I tried the pidgin-dev package which didn't work so now I'm willing to follow what's in the guide which is build-dep |
| 19:17.16 | stew | RenatoSilva: /var/log/dpkg.log will show what packages were recently installed, you can remove them with "aptitude remove package1 package2 package3..." |
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| 19:17.23 | Zenox | After upgrading the kernel (and rebooting) my raid5 array disappeared. /dev/md127 is not existent anymore. I can see the drives with "fdisk -l". Anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 19:17.30 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, ok, so it's easy then |
| 19:17.47 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: thanks |
| 19:17.54 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, cheers |
| 19:19.44 | ion_ | how can I remove windows from my pc withtout compromise my debian ? |
| 19:20.00 | vinsci_ | Zenox, interesting. My mapped drive disappeared when booting with the latest Sid kernel today. Had to go back to the previous one. |
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| 19:20.41 | vinsci_ | Zenox, probably something wrong with the initramfs |
| 19:22.13 | vinsci_ | Zenox, haven't looked into my own boot disk issue yet, so I am not sure. Usually though, the initramfs for the problematic kernel version has been built in the wrong way |
| 19:22.57 | RenatoSilva | why doesn't apt-get autoremove would not work? because all these packages are dependencies of no package |
| 19:23.25 | stew | Zenox: have you looked at "mdadm -Q --detail /dev/md127" ? |
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| 19:24.00 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, perhaps becuase you've explicitly asked for these packages to be installed |
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| 19:24.15 | Zenox | vinsci_: ah hmm, pretty weird... i'm running stable (2.6.26-25 kernel) and it was upgraded from -25 to -26 and then /dev/md127 disappeared... tried a backported 2.6.32 as well, but it the array isn't existent in this one neither hmm |
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| 19:24.41 | Zenox | stew: /dev/md127 isn't there so can't examine it :/ |
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| 19:25.27 | RenatoSilva | vinsci_: so build-dep is like installing each one manually? ok |
| 19:25.53 | vinsci_ | RenatoSilva, not saying it is, but it could be |
| 19:26.00 | stew | Zenox: then examine the individual components |
| 19:27.39 | vinsci_ | Zenox, if it's your kind of fun, you can also unpack the initramfs for the kernel that fails and see if it has all needed components/drivers. It's a nice exercise in understanding Linux booting in any case. |
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| 19:35.01 | vinsci_ | Zenox, in my case: mkdir /tmp/init; cd /tmp/init; gzip -cd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 | cpio --extract |
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| 19:35.19 | vinsci_ | Zenox, the init script is where to start following the story |
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| 19:37.29 | Zenox | stew: mdadm: cannot open /dev/md127: No such file or directory |
| 19:37.29 | Zenox | vinsci_: woha, yea should be a pretty nice exercise, but hmm, dunno if I'll know which drivers that's missing etc |
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| 19:38.33 | vinsci_ | Zenox_, easiest is probably to do it with both a working kernel and a non-working kernel, then do a recursive diff to see what's changed |
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| 19:41.41 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: yea i guess you are right... think i'll try to dpkg -i the slightly older kernel again and hope the array comes back (there's firmware package and stuff too that's been upgraded so dunno) |
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| 19:43.22 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: Or btw, my /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is pretty empty. It's using "DEVICE partitions" too find the drives... Would it be of any help to create an ARRAY statement there as well? |
| 19:44.26 | vinsci_ | Zenox_, beyond my knowledge to advice there, sorry |
| 19:44.54 | vinsci_ | Zenox_, but shouldn't you be using UUID's these days? |
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| 19:45.16 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: Yea.. Like ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=4 UUID=fb735c55:e808e167:2c5faad5:5fe6fb86 |
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| 19:46.05 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: But dunno if it helps... The ARRAY parameter specifies a device (/dev/md0 fex), but that's not existent |
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| 19:46.37 | zuo | hi .* |
| 19:46.48 | vinsci_ | Zenox_, the device node only appears once the driver is loaded, right? |
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| 19:48.12 | Jase_ | Hi who is a mailing list admin? |
| 19:48.15 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: I guess so, but dont know how to check if the driver is loaded |
| 19:48.18 | Jase_ | for debian |
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| 19:50.03 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: Found a VERY strange thing... Typed "blkid" to find out the UUID's... It doesnt match the output of "fdisk -l" and it also includes "/dev/md127", but it doesn't even exist... |
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| 19:52.48 | qjcg | is there an rsync method driver for apt somewhere? |
| 19:53.06 | kj4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.10 | Zenox_ | vinsci_: ah, the blkid cache was incorrect... wiped it with "blkid -g"... now it seems better, but /dev/sda1 is listed as ext3 even if it's listed as Linux raid when using fdisk -l |
| 19:53.32 | Zenox_ | kj4: was just a cache thing, now it's better (sort of) |
| 19:53.43 | kj4 | thats good |
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| 20:03.10 | karlpinc | I did a "nc -l -p 1045" and it's listening on *:43989 (lsof says "nc 14679 kop 3u IPv4 3650465 TCP *:43989 (LISTEN)".) Why isn't it listening on 1045 and why didn't it give me an error? |
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| 20:09.05 | poisonbit | karlpinc, you are mixing options that man page says not to mix. nc -l 1045 works as plain user |
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| 20:10.00 | karlpinc | poisonbit: Ok. But my man page has a line explicity for "nc -l -p port "... |
| 20:10.36 | vinsci_ | karlpinc, works for me, when not root |
| 20:11.23 | karlpinc | Ah. PBKBAC! *doh* |
| 20:13.11 | poisonbit | karlpinc, I d not see -p -l in lenny neither sid man page |
| 20:13.19 | poisonbit | I see warning in bot options about do not mix |
| 20:13.48 | vinsci_ | poisonbit, ? sid has it as the 2nd synopsis line |
| 20:13.56 | karlpinc | poisonbit: There's two nc packages iirc. Ones openbsd, the other not. |
| 20:14.14 | poisonbit | aaaa |
| 20:14.39 | karlpinc | I like the openbsd one, but the traditional has better close semantics in some case. I should really always use socat, just to keep my geek-fu up. |
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| 20:39.13 | vinsci_ | zerohero, |
| 20:39.21 | vinsci_ | oops, sry |
| 20:39.45 | vinsci_ | (was checking if zenox was back yet...) |
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| 20:41.23 | delby | is this where i should download squeeze from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 20:42.33 | petemc | delby: yes |
| 20:42.47 | delby | thanks. |
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| 20:43.08 | sanmarcos1 | is there a way in aptitude to get a list of updated packages, but without the categories? |
| 20:43.18 | sanmarcos1 | it is too much work to dive down into all the categories one by one |
| 20:44.31 | fbh | sanmarcos1: You can "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and then just not go through with installing them by pressing N |
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| 20:45.13 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: that doesn't make sense .. just `aptitude update` at the command line |
| 20:45.55 | sanmarcos1 | oh I was using it with the curses interface |
| 20:46.08 | fbh | that will just get the list of updates it will not show which ones are to be updated.... |
| 20:46.25 | sanmarcos1 | everybody says use aptitude but it is really more complex |
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| 20:46.38 | abrotman | it's really not .. you just aren't used to using it |
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| 20:47.11 | vinsci_ | sanmarcos1, in aptitude, just press u, then g and you see the list. Press q to not install, press g again to install. |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: and then you want to see which ones can be upgraded ? |
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| 20:47.28 | abrotman | aptitude search '~U' .. i believe |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | or ~u .. one of those |
| 20:47.39 | delby | i am currently running lenny. is it possible to upgrade to squeeze or do i have to do a completely new install? |
| 20:47.51 | vinsci_ | delby, you can upgrade |
| 20:47.58 | abrotman | !tell delby about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | hi dpkg_ ? |
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| 20:48.53 | sark_acer | OK, just upgraded from Lenny to squeeze. Now the text in lxpanel is giant and I can't figure out how to change it. |
| 20:49.52 | sanmarcos1 | with the kernel versions being the same |
| 20:49.58 | sanmarcos1 | how can I tell if I have installed an upgraded package? |
| 20:50.20 | sanmarcos1 | i.e uname -r says 2.6.26-2-686, and I just installed an upgrade to linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1) |
| 20:50.30 | sanmarcos1 | but /boot shows only one kernel image |
| 20:50.37 | sanmarcos1 | how am I supposed to know if I need to restart or anything? |
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| 20:51.05 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: dpkg -l linux-image* .. look at the versions |
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| 20:51.44 | sanmarcos1 | I see ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 and ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-6 2.6.26-26lenny1 |
| 20:51.47 | sanmarcos1 | what does that mean? |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | it means you have a metapackage and a kernel installed, and those are the versions |
| 20:52.20 | sanmarcos1 | why is the ,etapackage version not the same as the real package? |
| 20:52.24 | delby | abrotman: will the upgrade will keep all my configurations and packages? e.g. apache config, mysql db etc? |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | it will ask you .. that's the idea |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: why does it need to be? it really doesn't matter |
| 20:53.03 | sanmarcos1 | well I updated and I got a new kernel |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | good |
| 20:53.13 | sanmarcos1 | before I used to do uname -r, see an old version and new version in /boot |
| 20:53.16 | sanmarcos1 | and I knew I had to reboot |
| 20:53.22 | vinsci_ | sanmarcos1, the purpose of that metapackage is to always depend on the latest version of the kernel |
| 20:53.27 | sanmarcos1 | with the new kernel naming scheme you don't really know anything |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | it's not new |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | it's just you that has the problem |
| 20:53.57 | nsadmin | it depends on a -package- that has the full version, just deal with that |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | i don't even see how you could be confused .. |
| 20:54.01 | sanmarcos1 | I don't get it yes |
| 20:54.03 | sanmarcos1 | do I need to reboot? |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | yes .. if you get a new kernel, you have to reboot |
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| 20:54.24 | sanmarcos1 | it doesn't warn me about it |
| 20:54.28 | nsadmin | what's your present uname -r? |
| 20:54.36 | sanmarcos1 | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:54.39 | abrotman | you are randomly installing updates? you don't know you installed a new kernel ? |
| 20:54.42 | sanmarcos1 | but the debian version numbers never change |
| 20:54.50 | abrotman | yes, they do |
| 20:54.51 | nsadmin | so that's the standard lenny kernel |
| 20:54.51 | sanmarcos1 | they update the pckage and the kernel version stays the same |
| 20:55.09 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: that's what is supposed to happen .. that is the kernel ABI version, not the package version |
| 20:55.12 | sanmarcos1 | ls -l /boot shows only 2.6.26-2-686, shouldnt there be something new? |
| 20:55.12 | nsadmin | what version did you install? (its uname -r is in the package name) |
| 20:55.28 | abrotman | he already said |
| 20:55.34 | abrotman | <sanmarcos1> I see ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 and ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-6 2.6.26-26lenny1 |
| 20:55.58 | sanmarcos1 | Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.26-25lenny1 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | UPDATED |
| 20:56.17 | nsadmin | abrotman, which is the newer one? |
| 20:56.22 | sanmarcos1 | how come uname -r doesnt show 2.6.26-25lenn1? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: which one what? they're different packages |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: have you rebooted since you installed the new kenrel ? |
| 20:56.43 | sanmarcos1 | the problem I have is that file names stay the same |
| 20:56.48 | sanmarcos1 | uname -r will stay the same once I reboot |
| 20:56.51 | nsadmin | right, well he installed one recently and he's booted to one |
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| 20:56.56 | sanmarcos1 | I wish they would increase the version number |
| 20:56.56 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: yes .. it's supposed to |
| 20:57.03 | sanmarcos1 | ok I will reboot |
| 20:57.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: he didn't say he rebooted ? |
| 20:57.25 | nsadmin | true, so I dunno if his uname -r is the newer or older :) |
| 20:57.30 | sanmarcos1 | I just wish before rebooting after an upgrade there would be a biggere version number in /boot |
| 20:57.32 | sanmarcos1 | than in uname -r |
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| 20:57.34 | abrotman | uname -r is useless here |
| 20:57.40 | sanmarcos1 | debian made it useless |
| 20:57.46 | abrotman | no .. you just don't understand |
| 20:57.50 | sanmarcos1 | it wasn't like this before |
| 20:57.52 | abrotman | yes, it was |
| 20:58.00 | abrotman | it's been like this for at least 10 years |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | as long as i can remember |
| 20:58.34 | sanmarcos1 | it sucks, I wish uname-r and package names would match |
| 20:58.43 | abrotman | try 'cat /proc/version' |
| 20:58.45 | sanmarcos1 | package versions I mean |
| 20:58.48 | abrotman | that would be dumb |
| 20:58.51 | sanmarcos1 | nope |
| 20:58.52 | nsadmin | sanmarcos1: just face up, you need to learn a couple new things |
| 20:58.58 | sanmarcos1 | uname -r still has the same verison |
| 20:59.05 | abrotman | IT IS SUPPOSED TO |
| 20:59.10 | sanmarcos1 | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 01:53:57 UTC 2010 |
| 20:59.22 | abrotman | so you don't understnad, you can't grasp how it works, so Debian should change? |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | makes perfect sense |
| 20:59.40 | nsadmin | sanmarcos1: is that the new or the old one? |
| 20:59.48 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:59.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:59.54 | sanmarcos1 | I can't know now, becuase I rebooted and i didn't do cat /rpoc/version before |
| 20:59.55 | abrotman | that's hte new one |
| 21:00.08 | sanmarcos1 | so never do uname -r |
| 21:00.15 | abrotman | it's fine for some stuff .. |
| 21:00.20 | sanmarcos1 | comparte /proc/version to dpkg -l linux-image-686 |
| 21:00.32 | abrotman | that won't work either |
| 21:00.36 | sanmarcos1 | to confirm that there is a new version waiting for reboot |
| 21:00.40 | sanmarcos1 | is there a way to confirm then? |
| 21:00.41 | nsadmin | what I'm not quite understanding is why have the "-2" if it's actually false? |
| 21:00.45 | sanmarcos1 | don't the version numbers ever change? |
| 21:00.52 | sanmarcos1 | they just patch shit with no changes in version numbers? |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: because you don't understand how it works either |
| 21:01.00 | sanmarcos1 | abrotman: please explain how it works |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | i already did .. you're both so busy babbling you didn't see it |
| 21:01.10 | sanmarcos1 | or reference us to something |
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| 21:01.17 | sanmarcos1 | explain again |
| 21:01.30 | nsadmin | it must be in the scroolback |
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| 21:01.49 | sanmarcos1 | please? |
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| 21:02.03 | abrotman | !kernel abi |
| 21:02.03 | dpkg_ | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. |
| 21:02.06 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
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| 21:02.28 | nsadmin | <abrotman> sanmarcos1: that's what is supposed to happen .. that is the kernel ABI version, not the package version |
| 21:02.41 | nsadmin | that would be the relevent post |
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| 21:03.01 | sanmarcos1 | but the package name must change |
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| 21:03.09 | sanmarcos1 | the package version I mean |
| 21:03.16 | abrotman | it does .. |
| 21:03.18 | nsadmin | so let me get this straight... the uname -r is the abi version? |
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| 21:03.28 | RenatoSilva | Someone here told me to do the follwing for undoing apt-get build-dep, but it's not working! (0 packages *) --> # cat installed.txt | dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade ; |
| 21:03.28 | sanmarcos1 | linux-image-2.6.26-2-6 2.6.26-26lenny1 |
| 21:03.29 | abrotman | the package versoin does change |
| 21:03.34 | sanmarcos1 | -26lenny1 is the pversion? |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | no, that's the current version you have installed |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | the whole string is the version |
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| 21:04.07 | nsadmin | more detailed, it's related to how many times that's been uploaded |
| 21:04.11 | sanmarcos1 | 2.6.26-26lenny1 and the previous one was 2.6.26-25lenny1 |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: not really |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: possibly, i don't know the previous one |
| 21:04.26 | sanmarcos1 | but there is no way to know through uname -r or cat /proc/version which was installed? |
| 21:04.36 | delby | any reason to install i386 on 64 bit machine? |
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| 21:04.38 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: previously? not that i know of |
| 21:04.41 | sanmarcos1 | proc/version gives you the package version |
| 21:04.46 | abrotman | delby: third party/binary-only software |
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| 21:04.59 | sanmarcos1 | delby: save memory on low memory machines |
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| 21:05.12 | abrotman | sanmarcos1: oh, you could look at the aptitude log or dpkg.log and see which version was removed |
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| 21:05.22 | delby | define low please. |
| 21:05.38 | nsadmin | below "high"? |
| 21:05.42 | abrotman | delby: are you concerned you might run out of RAM? |
| 21:05.44 | sanmarcos1 | delby: 64 bit apps take more memory or so I heard |
| 21:05.57 | sanmarcos1 | it matters if you have a VPS with 256 mb of memory (virtualized) |
| 21:06.49 | sanmarcos1 | 2010-11-27 12:48:06 upgrade linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-25lenny1 2.6.26-26lenny1 |
| 21:06.51 | delby | i dont think so. just wanted to be sure i am not missing somthing before installing amd64 |
| 21:07.11 | abrotman | delby: if you separate /home/, it really won't matter, you can reinstall later |
| 21:07.36 | nsadmin | you'd be missing binary-only stuff that the authors won't provide for amd64 |
| 21:07.39 | sanmarcos1 | abrotman: ok, so for checking now I will cat /proc/version and compare to dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 or check the depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:07.53 | abrotman | or just reboot when you install a new kernel ? |
| 21:08.02 | sanmarcos1 | yes but I like to check abrotman :) |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | whatever |
| 21:08.10 | sanmarcos1 | thank you for explaining this to me |
| 21:08.13 | amphi | delby: go for amd64 if you want a single program to be able to use more than 2GB of memory |
| 21:08.45 | delby | amphi: i only have 1gb on this machine |
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| 21:09.19 | nsadmin | you could always have 95g of swap... maybe that's not such a good idea tho |
| 21:09.51 | delby | probably not. are there many bin only programs i might miss? |
| 21:09.51 | nsadmin | but the point is that the swap space would be considered part of available memory |
| 21:10.06 | amphi | delby: running everything 64 bit will use more memory, so I would go with 32 bit |
| 21:10.12 | nsadmin | do you use anything presently which is non-free? |
| 21:10.27 | delby | only flash |
| 21:10.38 | delby | oh and skype |
| 21:11.03 | nsadmin | flash is such an annoyance... you have to jump thru some hoops to get flash to work |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 21:11.25 | nsadmin | why not? |
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| 21:11.34 | abrotman | adobe has a plugin now |
| 21:11.41 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 21:11.47 | abrotman | or rather .. again |
| 21:12.04 | nsadmin | so they pulled it for awhile? |
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| 21:12.52 | nsadmin | anyway, so flash is ok on 64b,,, you would just have to check skype |
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| 21:13.48 | delby | so to sum up if i dont need any program to use more than 2gb (considering it can utilize swap), should i stick with i386 if i only have 1gb ram? |
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| 21:14.29 | Delaya | anyone know how to install fdisk on deban squeeze kernel? |
| 21:14.59 | delby | skype and lenny amd64 dont play nice, at least not when i tried it. |
| 21:15.19 | nsadmin | there may be other considerations, but you could stick with i386... one consideration is lateral movement is not possible (that is, it would take a complete reinstall to go from amd64 to i386 or the other way |
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| 21:15.55 | thinksteve | delby: Dumping proprietary skype is not an option, is it? |
| 21:16.06 | nsadmin | Delaya you should already have fdisk |
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| 21:16.36 | nsadmin | and just so you know, fdisk isn't kernel stuff |
| 21:16.51 | delby | thinksteve: no. all my family are windows/skype addicts. |
| 21:17.18 | Delaya | nsadmin: ok thnx forgot to run it unser su :p |
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| 21:18.39 | Vorbote | delby, a 64-bit linux needs 1GB RAM just to load itself with barebones userspace. You won't see any real benefit unless you have at least 4GB physical RAM (breaking the 3.2-5GB 32-bit ram mapping limitation) OR if you need to do math-intensive computation. |
| 21:18.44 | project2501b | hey guys, what packages do i install if i want to see japanese chars in xchat? |
| 21:18.56 | Delaya | nsadmin: im trying to resize the root partition using som free space from the /home partition, is this possible |
| 21:19.00 | Delaya | nsadmin: ? |
| 21:19.08 | project2501b | Vorbote: that is bull. i can have debian boot in 300mb of ram |
| 21:19.19 | project2501b | less if i roll my own kernel |
| 21:19.20 | nsadmin | are they both in the same lvm volume group? |
| 21:19.37 | delby | Vorbote: i see. |
| 21:19.49 | delby | thanks all. much appreciated. |
| 21:21.12 | Vorbote | project2501b, don't bullknit unless delby, of course you can use 64GB ram with PAE but you still have a 3GB limitation per process. |
| 21:21.24 | Vorbote | project2501b, watch your mouth. |
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| 21:21.42 | amphi | Vorbote: it's 2GB/process I believe |
| 21:22.04 | Vorbote | Even worse. then. |
| 21:22.08 | abrotman | verma: 2GB |
| 21:22.08 | amphi | and it's nonsense to say that "a 64-bit linux needs 1GB RAM just to load itself with barebones userspace" |
| 21:22.11 | Smiley | "Has created Mamotliruk, a gypsum floodgate!" |
| 21:22.13 | abrotman | erm .. Vorbote 2GB |
| 21:22.46 | Vorbote | amphi, that's my empirical observation when using a desktop workstation. In a server the RAM is less of course. |
| 21:22.53 | abrotman | that's not barebones |
| 21:23.09 | amphi | Vorbote: it's nothing like my experience on this laptop |
| 21:23.19 | abrotman | amphi: he uses kde and emacs! |
| 21:23.35 | Vorbote | abrotman, for me barebones is a GNOME workstation with no extras running. |
| 21:23.41 | amphi | oh, *those* bones ;) |
| 21:23.57 | amphi | Vorbote: haha, phantastisch |
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| 21:24.07 | usaguy987 | how are deb and ian these days!? |
| 21:24.36 | nsadmin | I haven't asked today |
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| 21:28.47 | Delaya | i need to resize my ext3 root partition using from free space from the ext3 /home partition. anyone know how to do this with this partition table: http://pastebin.com/tLz3LA3E ? |
| 21:29.08 | abrotman | usaguy987: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 21:29.38 | Kuifje111 | Delaya: resizing a partition is not recommended. it is likely to cause data loss. |
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| 21:29.51 | usaguy987 | yes- what is the minimum system requirements for debian? can I run it on a 486 computer with 4mb ram? or no? |
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| 21:30.14 | Delaya | Kuifje111: i know, but its either this or reformat the whole disk so might aswell |
| 21:30.29 | nsadmin | not current debian |
| 21:30.58 | nsadmin | usaguy987: you can read about system requirements in the release notes |
| 21:31.06 | usaguy987 | what version debian would I need to run on a 486? and can I still download it/ |
| 21:31.37 | sanmarcos1 | thanks abrotman |
| 21:31.39 | sanmarcos1 | squirrels |
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| 21:31.45 | nsadmin | look at archive.debian.org |
| 21:32.04 | nsadmin | for the versions of debian you can run |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | usaguy987: i386 .. lenny does run on a 486 |
| 21:32.13 | Vorbote | Delaya, the least dangerous way would be using a specialist live cd such as partedmagic, RIPLinux or somesuch you find in Distrowatch. Give it 60% to 70% odds success. |
| 21:32.30 | nsadmin | abrotman, can he install/run on 4mb ram? |
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| 21:32.54 | abrotman | oh .. missed the 4MB bit .. good f'in luck! |
| 21:32.59 | nsadmin | usaguy987: bite the bullet and get a recent machine... |
| 21:33.25 | Vorbote | Emdebian? Haven't had the hardware to try yet. |
| 21:33.58 | nsadmin | and by recent, I mean something like a low-to-mid end amd64x2 with at least 4 -g- of ram |
| 21:34.38 | Delaya | Vorbote: yeh the thing with my partition table is that there are no free cylinders after the root partition, so i need some other less trivial way to maybe move the whole partition table forward |
| 21:35.32 | nsadmin | Delaya: what would serve you the most and the quickest, is to get a new. large drive |
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| 21:38.00 | Vorbote | Delaya, I've done very similar hacks your needs with gparted, but the success rate isn't stellar. You need to backup first and cross your fingers. Ahh! To keep it on topic. There's this recue cd called Finnix based on Debian I keep hearing good things about... |
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| 21:40.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: though mine has 36MB, but it still runs, albeit very slowly |
| 21:40.23 | kjdis | Have this problem occasionally on server, something happens to networking and all new connections fail, but previous ones still worlk, for example I am connected via ssh and that's still working but if I try to make a new ssh connection, or other like web, it fails, the only way I've ever been able to fix it is with a restart but I'd like to try top figure out what causes it |
| 21:41.01 | nsadmin | abrotman: in large purview, you don't count as you're an expert |
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| 21:41.28 | nsadmin | but I suppose it counts to say it was possible... how much work did it take? |
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| 21:41.45 | kjdis | this log entry seems to happen around the samr time as well, "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 21:41.48 | abrotman | it's been dist-upgraded since uhm .. woody? :) |
| 21:42.19 | nsadmin | so you installed woody or potato or so, and went from there? |
| 21:43.28 | Vorbote | abrotman, ext2 yet? |
| 21:44.35 | Vorbote | kjdis, what make of network card do you have? |
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| 21:44.43 | Silicium | hi guys |
| 21:44.54 | abrotman | Vorbote: huh ? |
| 21:45.15 | Vorbote | abrotman, in your classic box. Do you still use ext2? |
| 21:45.17 | Silicium | our CEO wants a list of all used software n our servers with Licence (gpl, lgpl, bsd, apache etc.) |
| 21:45.21 | Silicium | until monday |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | Vorbote: it's up to lenny, i think .. it uses ext3 IIRC |
| 21:45.41 | Silicium | is there a tool for a dpkp --get-selections --with-license or somethin like that? |
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| 21:46.54 | Vorbote | abrotman, no horror stories with ext3 then? I have my share of war stories but I'm sure I upgraded to it too soon. |
| 21:46.56 | kjdis | Vorbote: it's a dedicated server, Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit, it's been OK for years so if it's something with the NIC, would have to be due to slow failure rather than configuration/compatibility |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | Vorbote: i don't use it alll the time :) |
| 21:48.04 | Vorbote | abrotman, Ahh! A good kernel got there before there was damage! Lucky man, you! |
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| 21:48.20 | abrotman | okay .. i'm done with whatever game you're playing |
| 21:48.36 | Vorbote | abrotman, me too. |
| 21:49.21 | abrotman | no, you are |
| 21:49.22 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:50.18 | Vorbote | kjdis, I've seen those messages with hardware failure but not necessarily with the network card. Check the cables and the port in the switch too. |
| 21:50.28 | jelly-home | oh, silence him already |
| 21:50.42 | jelly-home | lastlog shows only noise |
| 21:51.13 | kjdis | Vorbote: any other ideas besides hardware at this point? it's not accessible for me, I'd have to make a support request |
| 21:52.21 | Vorbote | kjdis, It could be the driver. Did you update the kernel recently? |
| 21:52.45 | kjdis | Vorbote, nope, I very rarely add or update anything on it |
| 21:53.36 | kjdis | networking restart doesn't fix it, but maybe there's something else I can try remotely? |
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| 21:54.24 | Guest67804 | is it possible to choose which partition (root or home) to install stuff into? |
| 21:54.33 | Vorbote | kjdis, then it is probably hardware. You may want to check the latencies in the reverse routing between you and the box. That can give you an idea if the failure is in the server or somewhere else in the data center. |
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| 21:55.59 | Vorbote | kjdis, because the failure is the the physical layer or the transport layer. |
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| 21:56.25 | oskie | hello. i'm creating an init script for a deb pkg and it seems VERBOSE is set to no in /lib/init/vars.sh, meaning there's no output from my script. is that really a sensible default?? |
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| 21:58.08 | Guest67804 | is it possible to choose which partition (root or home) for installation? |
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| 21:58.44 | kjdis | Vorbote: ok, I will look into that, but can hardware failure be this selective? Like I said, old connections staying open, but new fail, or inbound working while outbound isn't? |
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| 22:01.03 | Vorbote | kjdis, it could. It depends on what's fried in the chipset... But, that kind of weird behavior looks more like a probematic switch or a router gone bananas. |
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| 22:01.35 | _____________ | aptitude VS apt-get |
| 22:01.44 | _____________ | i still dont get the difference |
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| 22:02.18 | kjdis | Vorbote: it's definitely odd, anyway I guess I will just stick to reboots for now, and keep trying to figure it out, it's only hapened like 3 times over months so not a huge issue yet, thanks for all your advice |
| 22:02.41 | Vorbote | kjdis, your welcome |
| 22:02.51 | nsadmin | aptitude has better dep resolution, and it has this idea that the packages the installation owner specifically wants are marked differently than packages that are installed just because dependencies would be satisfied |
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| 22:15.26 | Benkinooby | please can somebody explain the meaning of "ip-gateway" http://imagebin.org/125112 to me? or direct me to a channel for that kind of questions? |
| 22:15.55 | Benkinooby | this is not a gateway for LAN... |
| 22:16.34 | petemc | its your gateway to the internet |
| 22:16.51 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: this is likely relevant for the WAN interface of the dsl router. |
| 22:17.40 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: its internal interface will have different settings, and its address on the internal interface will be the gateway for machines on that network |
| 22:18.42 | Benkinooby | jelly-home, petemc thank you. i am confident with lan settings. i was just wondering, why there is a gateway outside a lan... |
| 22:19.07 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: your router has to send all the traffic _somewhere_ |
| 22:19.11 | Benkinooby | usually i know gateways within lan... but never heard of them in WAN |
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| 22:19.37 | Benkinooby | jelly-home, it has a global (=routed) domain, isn't it? |
| 22:19.54 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: domain? |
| 22:21.12 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: it has a routing table. Which usually has a default route entry. Which can point to an ip often called "gateway" |
| 22:24.37 | Benkinooby | jelly-home, but why yould it do that? the router i connected to the internet, with a global ip (if i understood correctly) so there is no need for a gateway. in fact it would be a disadvantage. hmmmm.... the "default" route seems plausible... but still i am not convinced. it should be able to send packages directly to any other ip. like computers within a lan... they don't need gateways (within the lan) either |
| 22:25.45 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: sending packets "directly" works only if both endpoints are on the same network segment. Everything else is routed, given to the next router in chain. |
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| 22:26.28 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: your local LAN is a single network segment. The Internet is not a single network segment. |
| 22:26.33 | Benkinooby | jelly-home, but isn't a global ip i the same segment like any other global ip? |
| 22:26.35 | Benkinooby | ah |
| 22:26.36 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 22:26.40 | Benkinooby | didn't knw that |
| 22:26.43 | Benkinooby | know |
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| 22:27.45 | Benkinooby | so in that case, every device connected directly to the "internet" needs a ip-address (ofc) and an ip-gateway?! |
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| 22:28.24 | jelly-home | Benkinooby: yes, all the traffic goes thru a mesh of routers. |
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| 22:30.13 | Benkinooby | jelly-home, knowing that, some things look a lot more reasonable to me now. thank you for your time, efforts and patience! |
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| 23:15.19 | drschnuggle | :-D |
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| 23:15.52 | dvs | :-> |
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| 23:47.59 | saqs | Hello, using lshw I get and UNCLAIMED about using intel driver on netbook 1005-HA from asus, how to fix it? |
| 23:48.06 | saqs | *-display:1 UNCLAIMED |
| 23:48.16 | saqs | product: Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 23:50.58 | peterrooney | saqs: perhaps you have an unused connector for an external monitor? |
| 23:51.44 | saqs | ups, yes, I don't use external monitor now, so it's normal then this error? |
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| 23:52.47 | saqs | ok, thank you |
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| 23:54.05 | drasko | hi all. I have message from jack : the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again. How to see which application is using hw:0 ? |
| 23:54.19 | simonrvn | lsof |
| 23:54.23 | simonrvn | fuser |
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| 23:59.15 | drasko | hmm... lsof | grep jack gives nothing... |
| 23:59.38 | Vorbote | drasko, are you using pulseaudio? |
| 23:59.43 | amphi | drasko: it may something using /dev/mixer (alsa-oss) |