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| 00:07.44 | rethus | how can i find out on debian cmd which cahrset is actualy set? |
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| 00:11.18 | Cityscape | When during the setup (netinstall) do I configure squid for package caching? |
| 00:12.15 | Cityscape | I'm just finished selecting what I want to install (DE & standard system). and now it's downloading. |
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| 00:17.32 | nevyn | Cityscape: why do you want to do that? |
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| 00:18.31 | nevyn | Cityscape: if you have a small number of machines nfs mounting /var/cache/apt/archives works pretty well. and if you have a big number of machines a dedicated app like apt-proxy can perform significantly better than squid. |
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| 00:49.15 | c4pt | hi i am having a problem with grub2 splash images . if i wanted to regenerate 05_debian_theme for grub2 how would i do this? |
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| 00:55.32 | dclarke | question : why does my machine use so much memory? top reports Mem: 4063260k total, 3954108k used, 109152k free, 822844k buffers and /proc/meminfo says MemTotal: 4063260 kB with MemFree: 109436 kB! Where did it all go ? |
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| 00:56.33 | stew | dclarke: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 00:56.51 | dclarke | thanks |
| 00:57.09 | c4pt | ? |
| 00:58.43 | stew | c4pt: it looks like grub-pc declares it as a conffile, so perhaps /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 00:59.00 | dclarke | stew: awesome man ...thanks ! |
| 00:59.01 | stew | c4pt: but you might check with dpkg -s grub-pc to see what other conffiles you might be overwriting |
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| 00:59.10 | tvm | what was the name of the text-based application that managed "wifi profiles" and connections? |
| 01:00.13 | tvm | used it few months back and i don't seem to be able to find it anymore :/ |
| 01:00.13 | stew | tvm: wicd-curses? |
| 01:00.17 | tvm | stew: YES! |
| 01:00.20 | tvm | thanks :> |
| 01:00.42 | c4pt | stew, i lost all the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 01:00.51 | c4pt | stew, i am still logged in |
| 01:01.00 | c4pt | stew, how can i regenerate all the scripts? |
| 01:01.12 | c4pt | 00 05_debian_theme 10_linux etc |
| 01:02.47 | stew | c4pt: since 05_debian_theme is declared as a conffile for grub-pc, you'd get it back by reinstalling grub-pc with confnew, see /msg dpkg confnew |
| 01:02.54 | stew | c4pt: i figured that out by using apt-file, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 01:03.13 | stew | (and "dpkg -s grub-pc" to verify that it was a conffile) |
| 01:03.19 | c4pt | stew i got it thanx |
| 01:03.28 | c4pt | stew dpkg -P grub2 grub-pc |
| 01:03.37 | c4pt | stew apt-get install grub2 grub-pc |
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| 01:03.58 | c4pt | stew, lol still didnt seem to work |
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| 01:04.57 | stew | c4pt: /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme exists or not? |
| 01:06.05 | c4pt | stew, :( |
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| 01:06.23 | c4pt | stew, tried dpkg confnew its not regenerating the scripts |
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| 01:06.46 | stew | c4pt: /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme exists or not? |
| 01:07.09 | c4pt | stew ok yes it made 05_debian_theme new |
| 01:07.16 | c4pt | stew, but i am missing all the other scripts |
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| 01:07.38 | stew | c4pt: repeat the same procedure for the other packages |
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| 01:10.57 | c4pt | stew, hm |
| 01:11.05 | c4pt | stew, i tried for grub2 grub-pc grub-common |
| 01:11.15 | c4pt | stew, still only have that one file 05_debian_theme |
| 01:11.35 | stew | c4pt: what command did you run? |
| 01:11.44 | c4pt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.47 | c4pt | *l |
| 01:13.12 | stew | c4pt: did you list package names after that? |
| 01:14.17 | c4pt | yeah grub-pc has iB |
| 01:14.32 | c4pt | er |
| 01:14.35 | c4pt | iBA |
| 01:16.05 | stew | ? |
| 01:16.12 | stew | BA as current status? |
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| 01:16.43 | c4pt | stew, now its pB because i removed it again |
| 01:18.08 | stew | c4pt: what does "dpkg -s grub-pc | grep ^Status" return? |
| 01:18.22 | stew | i don't think it is removed if its status is pB |
| 01:18.40 | c4pt | well i just put it back now |
| 01:18.43 | c4pt | root@Icarus-Debian:/etc/grub.d# dpkg -s grub-pc | grep Status |
| 01:18.44 | c4pt | Status: install ok installed |
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| 01:19.22 | Ariel_Calzada | what could be the problems if i install debian in 64bits |
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| 01:19.41 | dvs | flash wont work |
| 01:19.55 | c4pt | dvs, flash works for me on amd64 |
| 01:20.21 | dvs | c4pt: YouTube too? |
| 01:20.24 | c4pt | yup |
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| 01:21.11 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:21.15 | c4pt | dvs, i flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 01:21.25 | c4pt | dvs, this is sid though |
| 01:21.29 | Pavlz | i typed apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 01:21.32 | c4pt | dvs, i dont know about lenny |
| 01:21.37 | tenebrarum | I notice no ills to using the amd64 build. |
| 01:21.46 | c4pt | stew, ? |
| 01:21.49 | km | how can i grep a number ranging from 25-30? |
| 01:21.57 | dvs | ah, i'm using squeeze |
| 01:22.02 | Pavlz | but when i type iwconfig i see this reply: |
| 01:22.25 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.26 | Pavlz | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 01:22.26 | Pavlz | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 01:22.26 | Pavlz | irda0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 01:24.25 | c4pt | stew, any ideas? |
| 01:24.34 | stew | c4pt: about what? |
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| 01:24.51 | c4pt | stew, its ok i think im just going to go back to grub legacy |
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| 01:27.36 | Pavlz | http://paste.debian.net/101097/ |
| 01:27.48 | dvs | oh, flash works now |
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| 01:28.50 | stew | Pavlz: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
| 01:28.55 | streuner__ | Pavlz: what kind of nic do you have? |
| 01:29.02 | krabador | hi people, some experience with wiimote on debian? |
| 01:29.29 | Pavlz | Pavlz |
| 01:29.38 | streuner__ | streuner |
| 01:29.46 | stew | hardy |
| 01:29.51 | streuner__ | hehe |
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| 01:30.27 | Pavlz | it is question of a package |
| 01:30.39 | stew | Pavlz: right, and you are running hardy? |
| 01:30.40 | Pavlz | it is not question of a distribution |
| 01:31.02 | streuner | Pavlz: we support only Debian here, please respect that. |
| 01:31.06 | Pavlz | why does not work |
| 01:31.16 | stew | Pavlz: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:31.24 | Pavlz | it is a package debian |
| 01:31.33 | Pavlz | i am not using ubuntu |
| 01:31.43 | streuner | Pavlz: what do you use? |
| 01:31.45 | Pavlz | it is offensive for me ubutntu |
| 01:31.49 | stew | Pavlz: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
| 01:32.03 | Pavlz | GNU/linux gNewSense |
| 01:32.16 | Pavlz | and it uses package *.deb |
| 01:32.22 | streuner | dpkg, listvals newsense |
| 01:32.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'newsense' by value (1): gnewsense. |
| 01:32.31 | streuner | dpkg, gnewsense |
| 01:32.32 | dpkg | gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. http://www.gnewsense.org/ #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:32.34 | Pavlz | are sleeping |
| 01:32.50 | Pavlz | or i don't ask on debian |
| 01:32.57 | tenebrarum | Why do you find Ubuntu offentive? |
| 01:33.01 | stew | Pavlz: sorry, we only support debian here. if you can't get help from #gnusense, perhaps try to find a gnewsense mailing list |
| 01:33.31 | Pavlz | GnewSense is totally Free Software 100% |
| 01:33.49 | Pavlz | Ubuntu is not 100% Free Software |
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| 01:34.32 | Pavlz | type on ubuntu : apt-get install vrms and then tell me how many estricted packages are there |
| 01:34.34 | c4pt | bbiab |
| 01:34.45 | stew | Pavlz: wrong channel |
| 01:34.51 | tenebrarum | Pavlz, there appears to be a #gnewsense , you could try in there? |
| 01:35.03 | streuner | Pavlz: we told you already, sorry, but you are in the wrong channel |
| 01:35.06 | Pavlz | Freedom is not a wrong channel |
| 01:35.22 | stew | Pavlz: you might want #gnusense #ubuntu #debian-offtopic, but not here |
| 01:35.26 | stew | lets please get back on-topic |
| 01:35.36 | Pavlz | i told that ae sleeping on #gnewsense |
| 01:35.43 | Pavlz | or i asked |
| 01:35.53 | Pavlz | they have not problems to hel me |
| 01:35.58 | Pavlz | help |
| 01:36.07 | stew | Pavlz: then try a gnewsense mailing list or web-forum |
| 01:36.13 | stew | Pavlz: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 01:36.23 | Pavlz | and we ae speaking of *.deb packages |
| 01:36.39 | streuner | heh |
| 01:37.00 | streuner | there are even exist deb packages for non-free sources... |
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| 01:37.12 | streuner | so its a wide range |
| 01:37.19 | Pavlz | when will be Richard Matthew Stallamn i ome, i'll be happy to say that community *.deb is in contrast between itself for question of distributions on packages |
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| 01:43.03 | disinpho | hey, im having problems with xlt2pd (i think) does this look like problems: xl2tpd[2679]: setsockopt recvref[22]: Protocol not available |
| 01:43.12 | disinpho | xl2tpd[2679]: This binary does not support kernel L2TP |
| 01:43.36 | disinpho | i upgraded to squeeze in order to get a working openswan, but now i think i might have a broken xl2tpd |
| 01:43.40 | disinpho | any ideas? |
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| 02:12.18 | davetoo | wonders why his ruby package install on squeeze did not set the alternatives link |
| 02:13.28 | stew | davetoo: which alternatives link? |
| 02:13.41 | davetoo | There was no /usr/bin/ruby link |
| 02:15.03 | stew | davetoo: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/ruby" return? |
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| 02:16.15 | davetoo | well, after I ran "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/ruby ruby /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 500" it now reads /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 |
| 02:16.22 | stew | davetoo: (its not a link using the alternatives system) |
| 02:16.47 | davetoo | is not "alternatives" a pair of symlinks at the core? |
| 02:17.01 | stew | sure |
| 02:17.37 | davetoo | cd |
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| 02:17.43 | davetoo | heh, wrong window |
| 02:18.00 | davetoo | I' |
| 02:18.24 | davetoo | m guessing that to be "correct", it would want "slaves" to the manpages, libraries, and such? |
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| 02:19.29 | davetoo | interesting... |
| 02:19.36 | stew | davetoo: yes, but /usr/bin/ruby is not managed via alternatives deliberately |
| 02:19.40 | davetoo | /usr/bin/perl is a hardlink |
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| 02:20.17 | davetoo | ok... perhaps to some discussions I read about ruby gem management issues/styles? |
| 02:20.28 | stew | !dbugs 548917 |
| 02:20.32 | dpkg | #548917:W[ruby] Please use alternatives system to manage the ruby symlink (); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:00:01 UTC [] |
| 02:20.43 | stew | davetoo: read the discussion in that bug |
| 02:21.12 | davetoo | 'k |
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| 02:21.57 | davetoo | <-- new to debian; good to learn of said bug tracker |
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| 02:22.16 | stew | davetoo: http://bugs.debian.org/548917 (or http://bugs.debian.org/ruby ) |
| 02:22.25 | davetoo | yeah, found it, thanks |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | how is it currently managed? last installed package changes the symlink ? |
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| 02:23.11 | stew | no, ruby packages provides the symlink to the current version, like python |
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| 02:27.24 | davetoo | thanks |
| 02:30.33 | rasengan | bleh |
| 02:30.42 | rasengan | oops, wrong window :X |
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| 02:47.47 | KB1JWQ | If I want to run Python 2.6 on Lenny, is backports the way to go? |
| 02:48.23 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.6 |
| 02:48.24 | judd | Package python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-6; sid: 2.6.6-7 |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: you can't make it the default, things will break |
| 02:51.15 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Ahh. An associate of mine wants to run Debian 6 in production, I'm scared of the "testing" and "unstable" aspects to it. |
| 02:51.33 | KB1JWQ | Python 2.6 was a requirement he cited. |
| 02:51.39 | KB1JWQ | I'm open to suggestions. :-) |
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| 02:52.16 | abrotman | production internal or external? and in what time frame? |
| 02:52.26 | KB1JWQ | Within two months, and external. |
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| 02:53.11 | abrotman | well, you can begin testing now .. ideally with only ~130 RC bugs, squeeze will be released within two months |
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| 02:55.03 | simon | hello everyone! Have you ever installed googleearth in Debian? |
| 02:56.00 | stew | simon: have you looked at the googleearth-package package in contrib? |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | wonders if there would be a way to include the Packages for contrib/non-free and prompt someone that they need to enable the sources to get those packages |
| 02:56.56 | rahsputin | i just edited /etc/modprobe.d/options how do load the changes ? |
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| 02:58.28 | rahsputin | or reload modules? |
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| 03:04.52 | pickcoder | based on the RC bug count I guess it will be the end of Q1 2011 before Squeeze will be close to being ready |
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| 03:07.33 | abrotman | it's been coming down quickly for the most part |
| 03:07.48 | pickcoder | the last time I looked it was around 300 |
| 03:07.49 | karlpinc | abrotman: The troule with that is that you'd also want to include a warning about the consequence of enabling those repos; they are separate for a reason. So, uh, that's a good or maybe bad idea. |
| 03:07.51 | pickcoder | that was a while back |
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| 03:07.59 | abrotman | karlpinc: i'm aware |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | pickcoder: i just said .. it's ~130 |
| 03:08.17 | karlpinc | abrotman: I know. I'm trying to think it through. |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 |
| 03:08.43 | pickcoder | is it worthwhile to go ahead and upgrade some virtuals that don't do much? |
| 03:09.28 | karlpinc | pickcoder: If they don't do much it won't hurt to wait. |
| 03:09.49 | karlpinc | pickcoder: Unless you want to test just to see. |
| 03:11.24 | pickcoder | well I have one virtual I can destroy and reload for testing upgrades |
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| 03:13.35 | karlpinc | pickcoder: You could report bugs in the new release notes. (I reported some once, after release, and they didn't get fixed. Dunno why.) |
| 03:13.44 | rool | hello everyone |
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| 03:14.36 | karlpinc | rool: Houdy. Got a problem? |
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| 03:15.25 | rool | HI karlpinc ,i just want to know the time squeeze release |
| 03:15.36 | rool | is it dec 7th? |
| 03:16.07 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 03:16.07 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
| 03:16.27 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:16.44 | rool | game... |
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| 03:17.57 | karlpinc | rool: Debian releases when it's ready. |
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| 03:18.15 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 03:18.15 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 03:18.15 | rool | OKay |
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| 03:47.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:47.48 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
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| 04:14.43 | karlpinc | I previously installed OOo from backports, then removed it and re-installed from stable. But now I see that openoffice.org-java-common is still installed from backports. What's the right way to de-install this and install the stable version without un-installing OOo and re-installing. (Or is that too much to ask?) The java package is there because OOo depends on it. |
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| 04:18.07 | yoshio | karlpinc, does apt-cache policy openoffice.org-java-common prefer the backports version? |
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| 04:19.25 | sam_affable | hey |
| 04:20.00 | sam_affable | im using lenny and i see this in my apache error log Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.14-0.dotdeb.0 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 04:20.22 | karlpinc | yoshio: Dunno. How do I tell? http://paste.debian.net/101107/ |
| 04:20.39 | sam_affable | is this related to dotdeb ? ...can that be ignored ? |
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| 04:21.30 | karlpinc | yoshio: FWIW it looks like I've two other "leftovers" from this experiment with backports. |
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| 04:24.19 | karlpinc | yoshio: Perhaps I need to temporarly pin these packages with a >1000 priority? |
| 04:24.34 | karlpinc | yoshio: (and reinstall) |
| 04:25.06 | karlpinc | This would seem to be clunky. I wonder if there's a command line option.... |
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| 04:26.00 | xiu | Hi |
| 04:26.14 | xiu | any could bored?? maybe can help me! |
| 04:26.31 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 04:26.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:28.23 | xiu | I am installing debian through the basic inetd installing CD, and I keep on getting warning when I get to the 31% installing the base system: debootstrap warning: failure trying to run chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/arvhices/libc6_2.7-18lenny6_i386.deb |
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| 04:29.06 | karlpinc | xiu: inetd? (Internet?) |
| 04:29.28 | xiu | The story is that I was installing before it it passed ok through installing the base system, but once I got into downloading from the spanish repositories the thing got stuck and I rebooted ..... but after that I just couldn't get pass any time over the base system :((( |
| 04:29.31 | xiu | yeah, internet |
| 04:29.36 | xiu | any ideas??? |
| 04:29.46 | un214 | yeah, start over |
| 04:29.50 | xiu | the strange thing is that it worked the first time, |
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| 04:30.01 | karlpinc | xiu: Try a different mirror. |
| 04:30.07 | Roasted | Hey guys - thinking about putting Debian PPC on my Mac... but I'm concerned about YouTube... what flash alternatives are there? |
| 04:30.09 | un214 | good idea |
| 04:30.15 | un214 | qemu? |
| 04:30.16 | xiu | but now I started over 4 times, and it gets stuck in the same place... I even burned a different CD |
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| 04:30.28 | xiu | well, the base system is not on the repositories.... is a matter of the CD |
| 04:30.43 | xiu | is before you get into choosing the repositories |
| 04:30.51 | un214 | as karlpinc said maybe the mirror is busted |
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| 04:31.04 | un214 | if you're using the net cd the base system is indeed a matter of repositories |
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| 04:31.32 | xiu | but the first time I got passed installing the base system, it asked me to choose the mirror after installing the base system.... |
| 04:31.49 | karlpinc | xiu: You might try a specific mirror (instead of a generic "for the whole country" mirror.) |
| 04:32.48 | karlpinc | xiu: You could also try expert mode, where you might get the mirror option eariler. It's likely that the mirror question is what it will put into your /etc/apt/sources.list and not necessarily the mirror that it does the downloads from during install. Dunno. |
| 04:33.06 | xiu | aha |
| 04:33.20 | xiu | I'll try that see what happens! |
| 04:33.59 | yoshio | karlpinc, maybe apt doesn't want to downgrade. maybe comment out the backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update; remove the package, then re-install? |
| 04:34.16 | karlpinc | xiu: You could also md5sum the cd, just in case. |
| 04:34.23 | Roasted | Hey guys - thinking about putting Debian PPC on my Mac... but I'm concerned about YouTube... what flash alternatives are there? |
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| 04:34.40 | karlpinc | yoshio: It must be some sort of downgrade problem. |
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| 04:35.04 | xiu | karlpinc: yeah, i am doing that right now, and seems fine |
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| 04:36.37 | karlpinc | xiu: You could, possibly, have a hardware problem. (Even one heat related which is hard to diagnose.) You could boot off a live cd and run badblocks to test the drive, or memtest86+ to test the ram. (Heat related ram problems are the worst, run overnight for best results.) |
| 04:37.08 | un214 | that sounds nasty |
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| 04:37.48 | xiu | yeah, sonds kinda scary |
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| 04:38.06 | karlpinc | xiu: I know the install cd has memtest86+ on it. I think the rescue mode may have badblocks. |
| 04:38.46 | karlpinc | xiu: Finally, if you've new hardware you could try the kmuto installer. |
| 04:38.48 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 04:38.48 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 04:39.16 | karlpinc | xiu: (Although I've no idea why it would work once and _then_ need a newer kernel.) |
| 04:39.43 | karlpinc | xiu: I'd start with the assumption about a bad mirror. |
| 04:39.50 | karlpinc | s/about/of/ |
| 04:39.50 | yoshio | xiu: when you mkfs the filesystem, make sure to invoke the badblocks test (read/write), the drive should automatically map bad sectors out, have it 'keep' the old badblocks list |
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| 04:40.38 | karlpinc | In my experience if you're getting bad blocks the drive is about to fail and you should get a replacement. |
| 04:41.03 | xiu | now I am trying to totally format the swap... to see if it likes it |
| 04:42.15 | xiu | but I guess I should check for those badblocks.... oups! (crossing fingers) |
| 04:42.40 | yoshio | karlpinc, on my present laptop drive, I thought it was failing, then I used a boot CD to check all partitions (read/write test non-destructively) and keep the old bad blocks list, and now it seems fine, no more errors |
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| 04:44.07 | xiu | crazyyyy it doesn't let me delete the partition! |
| 04:44.27 | karlpinc | yoshio: What does smart say? (The disk can also be affected by temperature, but who cares _why_ it fails. If it's not going to work all the time it's no good.) |
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| 04:45.11 | Rusty1 | xiu: swapoff? |
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| 04:45.49 | darkkrai | can someone help me get wifi to work with debian squeeze? http://pastehtml.com/view/1c534lp.html is my lshw output with html formatting. |
| 04:45.59 | darkkrai | It's a Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 chip |
| 04:46.14 | darkkrai | iv'e tried http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn#Squeeze |
| 04:49.50 | yoshio | karlpinc, don't remember what the errors were, but I don't see any smartd messages in the logs now |
| 04:50.12 | karlpinc | yoshio: You can use smartmon (IIRC) to query the drive's logs. |
| 04:50.43 | karlpinc | yoshio: And tell it to run tests too. |
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| 04:53.12 | yoshio | "The smartmontools package contains two utility programs (smartctl and smartd)" |
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| 05:05.49 | alcy | anyone deploying a mysql cluster on debian around here ? just wanted to know if the ndb binaries are available through apt ? |
| 05:06.06 | vitalius | what package does sipp command come in, it's a tool for testing sip protocol connections? |
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| 05:06.50 | karlpinc | !search |
| 05:06.50 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
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| 05:09.51 | karthick87 | I have edited a file in using nano (/etc/) that I want to save, but forgot to open it using sudo. I remember there was a command to save such a file in vi, and want to know if there is any such way to do it in nano? |
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| 05:10.36 | ridin | ctrl + o? |
| 05:10.58 | karthick87 | nope that din help |
| 05:11.08 | ridin | i don't remember the last time using nano :d |
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| 05:11.29 | ridin | yeah, it's ctrl + o in nano, it should pop up File Name To Write: |
| 05:11.33 | ridin | the very bottom |
| 05:11.48 | karthick87 | without permission? |
| 05:12.04 | ridin | copy and paste? |
| 05:12.32 | ridin | does not remember, not very good, only here to learn |
| 05:13.03 | ridin | you can save the file somewhere you can write, then move the files around |
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| 05:14.27 | crazygir | anyone have crazy (simple) skillz with parted? specifically resizing an extended partition? I'm having trouble with this.. erroring out. I am trying: parted /dev/hda resize 3 512 10240, to resize hda3 (start at 512, go to 10G) and parted is yelling at me about the end being before the start |
| 05:14.47 | crazygir | I don't think I ever failed math.. but 10240 is a bit after 512.. |
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| 05:27.20 | linkslice | I have the installer disk for debian but it apears bad and I don't have another cdr, is there a way to tell this disk to be a network installer? |
| 05:27.26 | linkslice | it fails the cd check |
| 05:27.37 | linkslice | but will get as far as installing base-system |
| 05:28.20 | crazygir | hey! smae linkslice as 2 years ago? |
| 05:28.28 | crazygir | *same |
| 05:28.29 | linkslice | hehe yeah |
| 05:28.31 | crazygir | :P |
| 05:28.34 | linkslice | :-p |
| 05:28.49 | linkslice | i'm not in here so much any more as my new job blocks irc |
| 05:28.56 | linkslice | :-( |
| 05:28.57 | crazygir | how's it goin, aside from debian not being happy with you |
| 05:29.07 | crazygir | bah, get a new job! |
| 05:29.39 | linkslice | noway, the job is awesome! aside from the no irc rule |
| 05:29.40 | crazygir | i'd like this job: http://careers.stackoverflow.com/Jobs/9270/web-engineers-squidoo?campaign=List |
| 05:29.53 | crazygir | hah, what are you doing these days? |
| 05:30.27 | linkslice | I work at nintendo now, working on mostly monitoring tools |
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| 05:30.32 | linkslice | nagios/zenoss kinds of things |
| 05:30.46 | crazygir | wow, cool |
| 05:30.57 | crazygir | sort of a pidgeon hole though, eh? |
| 05:31.06 | cafuego | What! Don't run collectd on my Wii! |
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| 05:31.16 | crazygir | hah |
| 05:31.45 | linkslice | naw, they have promotion paths and everything set up, to make sure there's no pidgeon holes |
| 05:31.58 | linkslice | cafuego: lol |
| 05:32.26 | linkslice | running collectd on cafuego's Wii |
| 05:32.54 | crazygir | I hope so, too much nagios wil drive you nuts |
| 05:33.00 | crazygir | do you get to work remotely? |
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| 05:34.27 | cafuego | I'm in ur Wii collectin ur stats |
| 05:34.30 | linkslice | nagios doesn't drive me as crazy as zenoss |
| 05:34.42 | linkslice | it's a really good tool, but has a zope backend |
| 05:34.53 | linkslice | and yeah I get to work remotely sometimes, once a week or so |
| 05:34.54 | crazygir | that's like saying windows Asp classic doesn't drive me nuts |
| 05:35.03 | crazygir | nice |
| 05:35.11 | crazygir | glad to hear it's going well |
| 05:35.21 | crazygir | I'm kinda itching for a change |
| 05:35.30 | linkslice | wanna work for the big N? |
| 05:35.41 | crazygir | if I can work from home, sure |
| 05:35.41 | linkslice | they've never ever laid anyone off in 120 years |
| 05:35.57 | linkslice | some people do |
| 05:36.13 | linkslice | we have an IBM iseries admin who lives in cali and works remotely |
| 05:36.14 | crazygir | as I said.. that squidoo post makes me get a bit antsie, that's the type of work I want todo |
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| 05:37.03 | linkslice | what do they do? I've not heard of them before |
| 05:37.36 | crazygir | it is an interesting (sort of social site) where anyone can create a page about a single topic |
| 05:37.45 | linkslice | *huh* |
| 05:37.54 | crazygir | folks use ti for SEO, as well as talking about why dogs need flea baths |
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| 05:38.25 | linkslice | oops dc'd |
| 05:38.26 | crazygir | I'm sure they would say a lot more, but that's my short version |
| 05:38.30 | everyman | I notice /etc/gdm3 containing a folder for modifying login screen, but when going to /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks, I can not figure out how it organizes the format. Is there any doc that explains how gdm3 greeter works or its theme xml (e.g. metacity-theme.xml)? |
| 05:38.42 | crazygir | * linkslice folks use ti for SEO, as well as talking about why dogs need flea baths |
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| 05:52.37 | KB1JWQ | At the risk of sounding like a troll, why would I want to use Debian over ubuntu-server? I'm at a fork in the road with regard to a production environment and I'm trying to solicit feedback. |
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| 06:03.37 | dondelelcaro | KB1JWQ: this is #debian, so our answer is going to be obvious. |
| 06:03.39 | trololo | is /bin/sh turing complete? |
| 06:03.43 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, our bias) |
| 06:03.59 | dondelelcaro | trololo: yes |
| 06:04.08 | dondelelcaro | (well, assuming sh is bash or dash, anyway) |
| 06:04.25 | trololo | dondelelcaro: Thank you, it is actually a sub-invocation of pdksh in my case. |
| 06:04.51 | dondelelcaro | most shells coupled with a filesystem are pretty trivially turing complete |
| 06:05.10 | dondelelcaro | many are turing complete even without a filesystem |
| 06:05.13 | trololo | Then I can do all my self-taught computer science exercises now. |
| 06:05.27 | KB1JWQ | dondelelcaro: No, I realize that. I'm not asking you to tell me "which to pick," I'm asking for real-world answers around "what makes Debian a superior server platform?" :-) |
| 06:05.42 | dondelelcaro | KB1JWQ: the main reason is track record, and ease of upgrades |
| 06:06.38 | dondelelcaro | KB1JWQ: while ubuntu LTS versions do attempt to be upgradeable, they aren't necessarily as well tested as Debian is when it's released, and they're also under a pressure of schedule, whereas Debian doesn't bother with release schedules. |
| 06:07.07 | dondelelcaro | KB1JWQ: but if you're seriously using any distribution in production, you need to have staging servers where you are testing the next release to make sure that bugs that affect you are identified and resolved |
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| 06:13.48 | linkslice | crazygir: ah that's interesting...I guess. I still don't 'get it' though :-/ |
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| 06:20.05 | rionstrife | hi..anyone know how to install adobe flash player for debian terminal..? |
| 06:20.10 | rionstrife | i mean installed it from terminal console |
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| 06:21.50 | yoshio | !flash |
| 06:21.50 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 06:23.25 | yoshio | !tell rionstrife about adobe flash |
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| 06:29.31 | smv | i need help to decide what kind of RAM should buy. i have 512MB DDR, and 2 more free sockets. should i buy 2x512MB or for 1x1GB and why? here's the dmidecode output: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/daa62dbb/ |
| 06:30.12 | trololo | 2x1GB |
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| 06:38.54 | gan | tell me to how the xen kernel in grub2 |
| 06:39.46 | gan | because i was able to boot the xen kernel in older version of grub but now it is not with the newer version of debian |
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| 07:00.33 | tuv | what other good gui's are there for kvm besides virt-manager? |
| 07:01.16 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there a way to get a server with no X and no one logged in to automatically mount removable media under /media/VOLNAME, just like a desktop does? |
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| 07:08.03 | sep | blahdeblah, autofs ? that way it's attempted mounted when needed |
| 07:08.28 | blahdeblah | sep: I use autofs all the time, but that's not appropriate in the use case i have |
| 07:08.57 | blahdeblah | I want to be able to detect whether a device is present without attempting to mount it |
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| 07:09.11 | blahdeblah | If it's not mounted, there's a good reason, and i don't want to mount it erroneously |
| 07:09.45 | blahdeblah | tuv: I don't know the answer to your question, but i'd like to know, too... |
| 07:10.33 | mekos | Hi all: does debian work with nVidia GeForce 650 LE graphics cards ? anyone have experience with this? thanks |
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| 07:40.39 | gan | what is the driver used for sata hard disk |
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| 07:41.06 | gan | please let me know driver for sata hard disk |
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| 07:50.16 | yagoo | is (uname -r == 2.6.26-1-686) from linux-source-2.6.26 ? |
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| 07:54.28 | Iridos | ? |
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| 08:06.52 | WormFood | do we get a new "testing" branch, after squeeze is moved to "stable"? |
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| 08:13.44 | yagoo | WormFood, I'll reword the help Iridos gives. Thank him. "?" |
| 08:13.46 | yagoo | LOL |
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| 08:17.00 | Iridos | I understood HIS question! |
| 08:17.33 | Iridos | WormFood, yes, it'll be called "wheezy" to my disappointment |
| 08:17.33 | WormFood | I thought it was clear |
| 08:18.01 | WormFood | how does the move from old testing to new testing work? is it just a fork after it is moved to stable? |
| 08:18.19 | WormFood | *after squeeze is moved to stable |
| 08:19.43 | Iridos | blahdeblah, usbmount, at least for usb drives... and not sure about using volume names, I guess not impossible if you read up a bit |
| 08:20.34 | Iridos | WormFood, it just goes on... right now squeeze is frozen... at one point it moves to become stable and new stuff will start again flowing in from unstable |
| 08:20.54 | WormFood | yeah, I agree with you on that one Iridos, I think "wheezy" is a terrible name...reminds me of the old TeeVee show "The Jeffersons" |
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| 08:22.05 | Iridos | WormFood, new things always get into unstable first, they stay there, say, about 10 days and then are moved into testing when no bugs were found in that time that prevents them (or they can depend on things that can't move from unstable to testing, then they also have to stay in unstable) |
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| 08:22.48 | WormFood | ok, that is cool...i understand what is going on now. Thanks for your explanation. |
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| 08:23.06 | Iridos | right now, testing is frozen, that means no new versions of software are supposed to go into testing, just bugfixes... when squeeze is released as stable, the freeze just stops and everything continues like before |
| 08:23.39 | WormFood | so those of us that are running squeeze, will eventually automatically move to stable, and if we want to upgrade to the new testing (when it is out), we just update our apt sources, and continue on like normal, is that right? |
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| 08:24.59 | Iridos | if they use the name "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list, they will move to stable... if they use the name "testing", they keep moving on... testing is a softlink on the ftp-servers to whatever testing currently is |
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| 08:26.00 | WormFood | ok, so in my sources list, I can just replace "squeeze" with "testing" then, and I'll continue to stay in testing, after the move to stable, right? |
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| 08:26.43 | Iridos | yes |
| 08:26.49 | Iridos | I wouldn't do that, though... |
| 08:27.17 | Iridos | now new versions are held back... when stable releases all the new stuff keeps flowing in with lots of new bugs |
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| 08:27.37 | Iridos | but of course, if you run testing you enjoy debugging :-P |
| 08:28.02 | WormFood | I'm used to bugs...I run unstable on my laptop....I EXPECT to fix things if I don't update/upgrade for a month on testing. |
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| 08:28.37 | Iridos | well, lots of opportunities for that after a release of stable... |
| 08:29.14 | Iridos | because right now even unstable doesn't get new versions of things to keep the way free for potential bugfixes to go through testing |
| 08:29.21 | Iridos | err, thgough unstable* |
| 08:29.28 | WormFood | I would like to see one thing "fixed" in the next branch....which is just a config file setting. |
| 08:29.48 | Iridos | write a bugreport... |
| 08:29.50 | WormFood | that is interesting, I hadn't heard that before. |
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| 08:30.13 | Iridos | still time to get fixes into squeeze.... |
| 08:30.31 | WormFood | there is no way to file a bugreport without an email address....I use a different email address everywhere, and I don't want to setup another email address just to file a bug. |
| 08:30.41 | Mowee | Hello ^^ |
| 08:31.16 | WormFood | I probably should tho, since I've found a few things that should have bug reports filed on. |
| 08:31.19 | Iridos | WormFood, I use spamgourmet.com... and a different address each time... trivial to use a new address with it |
| 08:31.47 | squeeze | I want to have 80x25 text mode on squeeze. It´s a netbook with 1024x600 pixel. How do I get that? |
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| 08:32.12 | WormFood | yeah, but I run my own email server....getting mail is trivial, because I have a semi-catch-all address, but for sending email I have to setup another email address |
| 08:32.37 | Iridos | I wish the bugtracking system wouldn't publish emails in plain easy-to-parse text, though... I can't imagine spam to those addresses is very successful, but there's always someone trying |
| 08:32.38 | WormFood | yeah, I should do this, because this configuration they have as a default is incredibly fuckin' stupid! |
| 08:33.01 | Iridos | amazing, the amount of million-dollar-wins I had after the couple of bug-reports I submitted recently |
| 08:33.11 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 08:33.28 | Iridos | well, the good thing with the spamgourmet addresses is that they automatically expire after n<20 emails received |
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| 08:33.52 | WormFood | there is also other email services like that. |
| 08:34.15 | Iridos | isn't 80x25 the default text mode? |
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| 08:34.35 | squeeze | that was in lenny, not now |
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| 08:34.57 | WormFood | it just boggles my mind, that I can't submit an anonymous bug report....I've even made code contributions to other projects anonymously....it is like they want to make it hard on us to submit a bugreport. |
| 08:34.59 | squeeze | I get much smaller characters since KMS |
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| 08:35.25 | squeeze | at least I think it has to do with kms |
| 08:35.28 | Iridos | squeeze, I have 80x25 on this machine which is a squeeze install and I never did anything to change it... |
| 08:35.44 | squeeze | oh, you´re lucky! |
| 08:36.03 | delby | i am running squeeze with gnome. should i use vim-gnome or vim-gtk? |
| 08:36.03 | Iridos | hm, you're using framebuffer, then? |
| 08:36.18 | WormFood | I just installed a fresh copy of squeeze a few weeks ago, and initially it came up in a higher than 80x25 screen, but after I updated and rebooted, it reverted to its "normal" (shit) 80x25 screen |
| 08:36.31 | Iridos | WormFood, I guess they want to be able to reach people to ask questions if the reports are sufficiently stupid? |
| 08:36.51 | squeeze | ah, yes, if I don´t install any X stuff I get thast too, but as soon as I install something graphical, it changes |
| 08:37.08 | squeeze | s/thast/that/ |
| 08:37.16 | WormFood | I didn't install anything GUI related, and it still changed it for me (this is a server) |
| 08:37.48 | Iridos | delby, run what you like? |
| 08:38.13 | delby | dont understand the difference |
| 08:38.20 | WormFood | I was rather unhappy about that, because I want the highest text "resolution" I can tolerate....20 years ago, I used to run 100x40 text screen...it was nice (back when everyone else was running 80x24/25 and 80x50 |
| 08:38.21 | Iridos | well, I have "X stuff", but not framebuffer |
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| 08:39.07 | WormFood | delby, you probably want vim-gnome |
| 08:39.13 | squeeze | I do not know if something switched to fb, I didn´t. How to test? |
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| 08:39.41 | delby | thanks. |
| 08:39.45 | squeeze | Is that depending on graphic chip? |
| 08:39.51 | Iridos | !tell squeeze about fbcon resolution |
| 08:41.10 | Iridos | squeeze, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... or... I guess lsmod |grep fb should show something (but I don't use framebuffer, so I don't know what modules are loaded) |
| 08:41.40 | Iridos | dmesg should also show some lines with "framebuffer" in it if the boot isn't too long ago |
| 08:42.37 | squeeze | I think dpkg (the bot) gives me outdated advice (Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst). Should be updated. |
| 08:42.42 | squeeze | Iridos: thanks |
| 08:43.03 | ethanol | good mornin' ircers |
| 08:43.56 | Iridos | squeeze, well, you can update it... grub2 worked out-of-the-box for me, so I never had to find out how it works yet... |
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| 08:44.30 | Iridos | except for some fuzzy "puts stuff in /etc(?) somewhere" |
| 08:44.51 | Sort_-R | What are the _* functions listed in set for (ie _apt_get)? |
| 08:44.56 | Iridos | mind that the advice is still right for lenny... |
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| 08:46.07 | squeeze | Iridos: ah yes, forgot that. |
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| 08:47.45 | Iridos | still 1600 release critical bugs... so still lots of time |
| 08:48.03 | Iridos | oh, tell a lie, only 916 |
| 08:49.01 | Trewas | Iridos: 266 says http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, and it will be eventyally with RC bugs anyway |
| 08:49.08 | Trewas | +released |
| 08:49.46 | Iridos | oh... I misread that... you're right |
| 08:49.54 | Iridos | how can the current stable release have 916 |
| 08:50.36 | Trewas | because bugs other than security bugs are not (usually) fixed in stable |
| 08:50.37 | Iridos | well, seems they were all found after the release |
| 08:51.14 | Iridos | funny thing is, there's more now than when it was testing |
| 08:51.34 | squeeze | Iridos: /var/log/Xorg.0.log has (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 and (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1024x600 stride 4096, tiled How does that influence my way oof getting 80x25 text mode back? |
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| 08:53.09 | Iridos | look at the factoid dpkg told you about... as I said, I never used framebuffer |
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| 08:54.22 | Iridos | or did I ... |
| 08:54.29 | squeeze | hwinfo --framebuffer does not list modes for 1024x600 (which is what I think I have) |
| 08:55.24 | squeeze | Iridos: no. |
| 08:55.48 | Iridos | ... send it to the wrong person... no, I didnt :) |
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| 08:55.54 | squeeze | I don´t know if I do need framebuffer either, but my installation just arranged it like that ;) |
| 08:56.26 | Iridos | I don't think you have the "correct" resolution on the default text console either |
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| 08:57.09 | squeeze | so what to do next? |
| 08:57.31 | Sort_-R | set | grep "^_" | grep "()" => What are these bash functions supposed to do ? |
| 08:57.33 | Iridos | probably more like 800x600 |
| 08:57.40 | Iridos | dunno... fool around with stuff? |
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| 08:58.24 | Iridos | there's also programs like SVGATextmode, but again I have no idea if they play nicely with framebuffer or if it makes any difference |
| 08:59.46 | squeeze | Iridos: but anyway, many thanks for your help. Much appreciated :) |
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| 09:00.58 | Iridos | guess running SVGATextmode 80x25 can't hurt... well, can't hurt more than crashing the machine, that is :-P |
| 09:01.35 | sweetpi | squeeze: try "video=vesa vga=normal", it should give you your normal console back |
| 09:02.11 | gan | how to know the debian os is supporting sata hard disk .. please lets know the answer urgently |
| 09:02.17 | squeeze | will try both... |
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| 09:04.32 | Iridos | gan, you try to run it, it runs, so it must have worked? |
| 09:04.38 | Sort_-R | tab completion was answered on oftc for _* functions... |
| 09:04.53 | delby | where does iceweasel save startup configuration? home page for example? i know how to set it in preferences, i want to know where is it saved. |
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| 09:05.16 | Iridos | everything is in .mozilla/firefox/.... |
| 09:05.21 | gan | Iridos, it is running .. i want to know which driver is exactly responsible for that |
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| 09:06.14 | gan | Iridos, i checked the conf of kernel , so many parameters are enabled i want to which is exactly responsible for that |
| 09:07.08 | Iridos | gan, look in dmesg for the lines when the harddisk was detected... it might say |
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| 09:07.48 | Iridos | but it might not even be a kernel module, but something that is just compiled into the kernel |
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| 09:08.52 | Iridos | gan, how about libata... |
| 09:08.54 | delby | Iridos: found it. thanks |
| 09:09.09 | gan | Iridos, it means |
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| 09:09.27 | gan | Iridos, libata means |
| 09:11.03 | Iridos | !libata |
| 09:11.03 | dpkg | libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ . See also <uuid>. |
| 09:12.19 | Chosi | is there a way to limit max instances of a service with the standard inetd? |
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| 09:13.22 | squeeze | Iridos: can´t find SVGATextmode in squeeze. |
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| 09:14.17 | Iridos | Chosi, you can limit the total amount of processes in /etc/security/limits.conf if the service doesn't run as root, I guess |
| 09:14.55 | Chosi | ah okay thanks |
| 09:14.59 | Iridos | !why is svgatextmode not in testing |
| 09:14.59 | dpkg | svgatextmode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=svgatextmode |
| 09:15.10 | Chosi | i just need to limit the max proftpd instances |
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| 09:15.25 | Chosi | cause i had a - somewhat - dos this morning with too many child processes |
| 09:15.28 | Iridos | that needs to run as root, though if it's on port 22 |
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| 09:15.59 | Iridos | don't run it via inittab and you can probably configure it... |
| 09:16.14 | Chosi | me? |
| 09:16.18 | Iridos | yes |
| 09:16.20 | Chosi | so i better run it standalone? |
| 09:16.26 | Chosi | alright |
| 09:16.37 | Iridos | well, look for some option in proftpd to limit connections... |
| 09:16.51 | Chosi | yeah i already found it but it's only working in standalone mode |
| 09:16.57 | Chosi | that's why i was asking for the inetd limiting |
| 09:16.59 | Iridos | or you could install something like fail2ban if the DOS had a lot of failed logins... |
| 09:17.11 | Chosi | well that's the problem |
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| 09:17.22 | Chosi | 10:13 Chosi  hey there i'm having some trouble with attacks that just let logins timeout |
| 09:17.22 | Chosi | 10:13 Chosi  i don't think fail2ban will do anything in this case, right? |
| 09:17.27 | Iridos | inetd has no way of knowing how many instances run, so I don't think you can limit from inetd |
| 09:18.03 | Chosi | http://i.imgur.com/5RpMO.png |
| 09:18.05 | Chosi | looking like this |
| 09:18.08 | Iridos | Chosi, fail2ban will block the IP after 3 (or any number) of unsuccessful login attempts... |
| 09:18.22 | Chosi | will this count as unsuccessful? |
| 09:18.24 | Chosi | :) |
| 09:18.31 | Iridos | !wdytias |
| 09:18.39 | Iridos | dammit |
| 09:18.46 | Iridos | !wdyti |
| 09:18.46 | dpkg | Why don't you try it? |
| 09:18.47 | Iridos | ha |
| 09:18.50 | Chosi | ;) |
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| 09:20.10 | Iridos | squeeze, tsk, I still have the lenny version installed - I actually did a fresh install after using the same system since potato on several computers in sequence... but I did install lenny and then went to squeeze |
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| 09:21.35 | squeeze | (to get 80x25 text mode back) maybe I could try a bigger console font? don´t know which one and how. |
| 09:21.47 | Iridos | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548862 is why it's gone |
| 09:21.57 | Iridos | sheesh, bit harsh, not _everyone_ uses nvidia! |
| 09:22.54 | squeeze | Iridos: you where faster then me, but just arrived at 548862 fgrom the link you gave earlyer... |
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| 09:26.35 | Iridos | but I guess the argument that it shouldn't mess in hardware the kernel controls has some weight |
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| 09:29.46 | salahuddin66 | hello, which 64bit debian I should install in core i3 processor (debian AMD 64 or IA 64) |
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| 09:30.17 | squeeze | rebooting with video=vesa vga=normal |
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| 09:34.51 | sep | salahuddin66, amd64.. IA64 is something compleatly different |
| 09:36.07 | salahuddin66 | sep: I am using amd64 in my laptop for core2duo. But what about core i3 (which one I should go for) |
| 09:36.28 | rozie | salahuddin66: show cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:36.34 | sep | i386 (32 bit) or amd64 (64 bit) |
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| 09:36.50 | sep | !ia64 |
| 09:36.50 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 09:37.41 | rozie | sep: that's not i3 |
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| 09:38.31 | squeeze | sweetpi: booting with video=vesa vga=normal does not help with getting 80x25 text mode |
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| 09:41.36 | salahuddin66 | rozie: http://pastebin.com/LFq6DCpg |
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| 09:45.59 | rozie | salahuddin66: amd64 is fine for this |
| 09:46.19 | rozie | i386 also will work (not using 64 bits of course) |
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| 09:48.46 | salahuddin66 | rezie: Ok Intel url: http://intel.ly/f84yb1 (Intel® 64 Architecture) |
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| 09:49.45 | cpierce | can someone tell me how to modify the default grub options to always add reboot=a to the grub boot line? |
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| 09:51.38 | squeeze | cpierce: depends on grub version |
| 09:51.54 | cpierce | 0.97 under lenny |
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| 09:55.21 | squeeze | cpierce: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ... hhmm, think I misread your question. |
| 09:55.48 | cpierce | squeeze: yes but will it set that as the same everytime? |
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| 09:56.37 | ecksar | Hi. I have a couple of files on a USB drive that I can't seem to delete. I've tried in both nautilus and using rm (even as root). The error message is "cannot remove `file': No such file or directory". |
| 09:57.29 | ecksar | TIA for any ideas. |
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| 09:58.05 | squeeze | cpierce: maybe I did not get what you want, but wouldnt default <number> do what you want? |
| 09:58.44 | cpierce | squeeze: i'm wanting when i upgrade the kernel from now on that it automatically place in reboot=a,k,c into the grub menu.lst |
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| 10:05.07 | Tobias| | What do I need to do to play DVD's on Squeeze? |
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| 10:07.17 | squeeze | cpierce: sorry, never used the reboot command in grub configuration file. |
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| 10:17.47 | Tobias| | Got it, installed libdvdcss2 from some shady multimedia repository |
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| 10:21.28 | Iridos | shady? |
| 10:22.14 | Iridos | dmm is not "shady", but libdvdcss2 might not be legal to use in your country |
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| 10:24.37 | ov3rmind | hello to everybody |
| 10:24.40 | Iridos | ecksar, obviously you don't get the files correct names... and neither does nautilus - i.e. there are special characters inside that you couldn't/didn't enter correctly |
| 10:26.35 | trololo | is there any way to rip blu-ray films consistently and correctly these days |
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| 10:43.23 | Drrdrrdrr | Hey, is there any way to modify the creation/modified time of a file? |
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| 10:44.08 | acemi | touch file ? |
| 10:44.31 | jargon- | perv |
| 10:44.33 | jargon- | :P |
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| 10:44.58 | Drrdrrdrr | :P |
| 10:45.12 | Drrdrrdrr | Alright, I'll go check the manpages. |
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| 10:45.14 | Drrdrrdrr | thanks! |
| 10:47.21 | k-man | i broke lirc by fiddling, now i want to revert to stock lirc, but i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/2006627 how can i force a reinstall? |
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| 10:51.06 | hektik | whats a command line program thats in apt-get that i can use to just check how much bandwidth is being used |
| 10:51.12 | hektik | on my box |
| 10:51.48 | Vroomfondle | hektik: bwm |
| 10:51.48 | cusco | is there such command? |
| 10:51.54 | cusco | ah |
| 10:51.57 | cusco | sory I misread |
| 10:52.05 | cusco | I would use iftop |
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| 10:53.48 | hektik | oh wow this is anice app iftop heh |
| 10:53.55 | hektik | exactly what i was looking for |
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| 10:56.50 | Moskito | can anybody tell me how to get detailed information why a ethernet link status changed to down? (running squeeze...) |
| 10:57.18 | JPT | dmesg maybe... i don't know any other source of information about that |
| 10:57.25 | cusco | mii-tool |
| 10:57.27 | petemc | Moskito: check the cable |
| 10:57.34 | cusco | there was another tool. eth-tool or such |
| 10:57.43 | petemc | ethtool |
| 10:58.00 | Moskito | JPT, dmesg just lists the status change... |
| 10:58.09 | JPT | mh...okay |
| 10:58.13 | JPT | so no details there... |
| 10:58.22 | Moskito | petemc the cables aren't optimal, but should be ok |
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| 10:58.35 | petemc | Moskito: should be? why not swap out for a known working cable |
| 10:58.44 | cusco | dmesg |
| 10:59.05 | Moskito | cusco, mii-tool says just Input/output error... |
| 10:59.26 | cusco | :| dunno |
| 10:59.31 | cusco | reload the module? |
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| 11:01.47 | Moskito | petemc, because the setup is: client --> patchcable --> house installation cable --> patchcable --> gigabit switch, the patchcables are ok for sure, the house installation cable is a bit older, but should be still ok for gigabit connections (no problems with any other computer...) |
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| 11:02.24 | sedulous | what do you use to start and monitor multiple processes, like several openvpn or apache instances? there has to be something better than the standard sysvinit |
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| 11:02.53 | sedulous | such a meta daemon should be able to optionally restart processes too |
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| 11:04.06 | petemc | Moskito: that cable run sounds doomed to failure, but you dont have to take my word for it |
| 11:04.45 | Moskito | petemc, why do you think so? |
| 11:05.22 | petemc | it sounds jury rigged hooking cables together like that, |
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| 11:06.38 | SWFu | I'm trying to install Squeeze on an old laptop of mine, but I'm just getting "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
| 11:06.48 | ecksar | Iridos: I used tab completion in the terminal. I tried renaming it in nautilus. An error popped up saying "Error removing file: Input/output error". But now I have two copies of the same thing and I can't delete either of them. I guess I need to just reformat. |
| 11:06.50 | SWFu | That's both with the network install and first CD |
| 11:07.00 | Moskito | btw. I can't remember having had this issues before the last apt-get upgrade, does anybody know of known issues with the driver for intel nics with the latest kernel on squeeze? |
| 11:07.05 | SWFu | Networks running fine |
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| 11:07.57 | SWFu | Both tried trom USB created using unetbootin |
| 11:08.09 | Moskito | petemc, I couldn't think of any other way on how to setup a network installation in the building... |
| 11:08.25 | p0g0__ | Moskito: fwiw, I had a client with a mouse chewed but not severed cat5 cable- it would ping, but lost so many packets that the IF would go down and up, and depending on what OS/tool I used it was reported as perfect or OK, but never dead...all the multimeter tests and such passed fine too. I had to shorten the cable, then all was good. |
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| 11:10.43 | SWFu | Must be something to do with unetbootin? |
| 11:11.06 | SWFu | As if I boot the ISO with virtualbox it works |
| 11:12.30 | Iridos | ecksar, Input/output error more like means the drive is broken... or at least some sectors stopped being writable |
| 11:13.26 | DroidAgent | I have a program I'd like to run as a user and not as root. The startup script in /etc/init.d doesn't have any facilities to change the user.. is there an easy way to change this? |
| 11:13.39 | DroidAgent | E.g. can I su in the script without issues? |
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| 11:14.20 | mrcarrot | anyone here running lenny-backports version of ltsp? |
| 11:14.39 | mrcarrot | when i upgrade to lenny-backports version i get problem with squashfs |
| 11:15.14 | mrcarrot | i would either solve this or revert to nfs... anyone pointing towards some documentation would really help me |
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| 11:17.11 | dreamer | hi all, I want to install eclipse with eclipse-pydev, but I see there is only eclipse-pydev-gcj in the repositories (although there is http://packages.debian.org/sid/eclipse-pydev ), what this -gcj package and can I just use it? |
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| 11:20.33 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 11:20.48 | lenswipe | i got a new xorg update pushed to me by the debian repos and it seems to have broken compiz |
| 11:21.04 | lenswipe | if i select compiz as my window manager, desktop effects dont work and window decoration disappears |
| 11:21.09 | lenswipe | can anyone help? |
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| 11:23.53 | geekosopher | lenswipe: i am downloading that xorg update right now :| |
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| 11:24.14 | lenswipe | geekosopher, dont both |
| 11:24.16 | lenswipe | bother* |
| 11:24.18 | lenswipe | it breaks shit |
| 11:24.26 | lenswipe | s/breaks/has broken |
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| 11:25.58 | geekosopher | i think it has already come down. getting ready for install |
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| 11:26.24 | lenswipe | oh dear |
| 11:26.36 | lenswipe | i had to turn compiz off on my machine |
| 11:26.43 | lenswipe | cos its completely phucked |
| 11:26.47 | geekosopher | keeping my fingers crossed |
| 11:27.13 | lenswipe | it doesnt happen straight after install |
| 11:27.16 | lenswipe | its when you reboot |
| 11:27.27 | lenswipe | i did mine yesterday and when i booted this morning i had no compiz |
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| 11:27.46 | geekosopher | ooo... and it will need a reboot since there is a kernel update as well! |
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| 11:29.45 | geekosopher | lenswipe: tried metacity --replace and then compiz again? That worked for me when I had similar problem, quite some time ago |
| 11:30.03 | lenswipe | tried what? |
| 11:30.09 | Boohemian | what is the difference between chown and chgrp? i want to make www-data the owner of a folder and all its contents... i can't tell whether to use chown or chgrp |
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| 11:31.08 | dreamer | chown -> change owner, chgrp -> change group |
| 11:31.11 | Digdilem | you'd use chown for that as you're changing owner |
| 11:31.14 | lenswipe | geekosopher, didnt do anything |
| 11:31.34 | geekosopher | lenswipe: in the run command dialogue (Alt+F2) first do 'metacity --replace'... that should start metacity then 'compiz' again |
| 11:31.49 | Digdilem | Boohemian, you can do both by seperating with : |
| 11:31.55 | lenswipe | yep |
| 11:31.56 | lenswipe | nothing |
| 11:32.05 | Digdilem | eh; chown www-data:www-data filename |
| 11:32.07 | lenswipe | fucking updates |
| 11:32.12 | Boohemian | oh, duh! i've been up too long :) |
| 11:32.16 | Boohemian | thanks! |
| 11:32.25 | lenswipe | geekosopher, i dont get it, the updates seem to do more damage than anything else |
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| 11:42.48 | delby | how do i know which packages are insluded in a metapackage? |
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| 11:45.28 | geekosopher | delby: apt-cache show <name of the metapackage> ... see the Depends section |
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| 11:46.19 | delby | geekosopher: thanks |
| 11:46.26 | geekosopher | always welcome |
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| 11:47.18 | ravenzz | hello |
| 11:47.28 | ravenzz | need a small help |
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| 11:48.35 | geekosopher | ravenzz: real question please |
| 11:48.58 | ravenzz | need to block incoming traffic on any ports and then accept it on 80 and 22 |
| 11:49.33 | ravenzz | could http://pastie.org/1334995 work? |
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| 11:50.20 | ravenzz | (sorry for my engl) |
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| 12:01.24 | lenswipe | i have to go |
| 12:01.25 | lenswipe | gnite |
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| 12:04.29 | ChrisBuchholz | Hi guys. I wonder, if it is possible, to use ubuntu ppa's in debian? Like, ppa's from launchpad and so? |
| 12:05.13 | abrotman | it would be a pretty bad idea |
| 12:05.22 | ChrisBuchholz | abrotman: i see. How come? |
| 12:05.44 | abrotman | a) Debian is not Ubuntu b) They're built for Ubuntu c) They're built by non-DDs |
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| 12:05.47 | abrotman | just to name a few |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | !why not use a ppa |
| 12:06.00 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
| 12:06.35 | abrotman | Also, I'm not sure package correctness is verified by anyone with a clue |
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| 12:07.26 | ChrisBuchholz | abrotman: oh okay. I understand. Would be pretty neat to be able to use the mactel for ubuntu on a proper distribution, though :) |
| 12:07.42 | ChrisBuchholz | abrotman: the mactel packages* |
| 12:08.13 | abrotman | you can do whatever you want .. i'm telling you it's a bad idea |
| 12:08.51 | ChrisBuchholz | abrotman: yeah, i understand. And i am not gonna do. Was just curious is it was possible without getting in to trouble |
| 12:08.55 | ChrisBuchholz | and compromising your system |
| 12:10.27 | abrotman | I'm telling you that it's not recommended .. Do whatever you want, it's your machine .. don't blame Debian if it breaks |
| 12:10.44 | abrotman | s/if/when/ |
| 12:10.55 | ChrisBuchholz | abrotman: i fully understand |
| 12:12.57 | sedulous | ChrisBuchholz: some PPAs are fine. I'm using the wine-ubuntu PPA on 3 debian systems and don't have a single problem with it. |
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| 12:13.15 | sedulous | it's not recommended but can be okay. |
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| 12:13.34 | ChrisBuchholz | sedulous: yeah okay. You might try it to know it |
| 12:13.35 | abrotman | or it could completely hose your system |
| 12:14.40 | ChrisBuchholz | debian wiki actually suggest using some ubuntu packages. Hmm... |
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| 12:24.33 | jelly | sedulous: in addition, the lack of QA and central security on PPA repositories make it a possible venue for malware |
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| 12:25.47 | sedulous | jelly: yeah that's true. i guess i should maintain my own wine package |
| 12:26.25 | sedulous | i don't know why debian doesn't have wine-1.3.x, not even in experimental |
| 12:26.46 | sedulous | i usually don't care alot about the latest versions but wine is different |
| 12:26.50 | jelly | ask the maintainer, he seems to be somewhat missing in action |
| 12:27.39 | jelly | there's a months old patchset/build tree for wine 1.2 and other necessary build bits in BTS that he didn't act upon |
| 12:28.38 | jelly | it's going to be a bit sad if squeeze release is done with wine 1.0 still in it, but hey |
| 12:29.28 | jelly | it's not like release mgr would allow the required intrusive changes to that package at this point anyway |
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| 12:31.18 | jelly | sedulous: I'm starting to view Debian as a nice starting point to base a usable system upon; it has some but not all the software I need, and lots of it is missing for silly, non-technical reasons. Wine is one example; djbdns another. I'm sure I could find more. |
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| 12:32.09 | rioch | During installation I'm told rtl8168d-1.fw is missing. What should I do? It says I can load it from removable media, but do I need to? |
| 12:32.12 | jelly | so yeah, use your PPA if it works for you. ;-) |
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| 12:32.33 | jelly | rioch: if the network card works, ignore the message |
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| 12:32.50 | rioch | jelly, it fails to get a network address via DHCP |
| 12:33.00 | rioch | so I'm guessing it doesn't work. |
| 12:33.24 | sedulous | jelly: why isn't djbdns in debian? license issues? isn't it public domain? |
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| 12:34.07 | jelly | sedulous: it's in debian, just not in testing. |
| 12:34.21 | sedulous | ah, ok |
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| 12:36.26 | jelly | rioch: hmph. I don't have that hardware. Try reading /msg dpkg rtl8168d |
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| 12:45.10 | ravenzz | someone could explain me why the debian repository hosts the 1.4.19-5+ version of lighttpd instead of the last one? |
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| 12:45.20 | ravenzz | (1.4.28) |
| 12:45.51 | jelly | ,versions lighttpd |
| 12:45.51 | Bushmills | ,lighttpd |
| 12:45.52 | judd | Package lighttpd on i386 -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; squeeze: 1.4.28-1; sid: 1.4.28-2 |
| 12:46.40 | jelly | ravenzz: it hosts both. A Debian stable release does not update upstream versions during its lifetime, thus keeping the featureset, ABI and bugsets known. |
| 12:47.25 | jelly | ravenzz: if you require a newer version of some application, you can backport it. /msg dpkg backport; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:47.51 | Winkie | hey, so i'm building a package from our vendor, and it uses dh_shlibdeps to automatically build the required lib list |
| 12:47.55 | ravenzz | uhm |
| 12:48.00 | Winkie | however, one of these is liblame0, and i need to replace that with libmp3lame0 |
| 12:48.23 | Winkie | is there an easy way for me to specify liblame0 || libmp3lame0 with dh_shlibdeps? the man page implies you can add a link, but i need to add an alternate option |
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| 12:59.17 | icebrain | hi! I have a disk with LVM volumes, and the disk (external) lost power and hence stop responding. The problem is that now the LVM doesn't let me disable the volume to reconnect the disk. I get the following errors: |
| 12:59.19 | icebrain | /dev/dm-1: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error - Can't remove open logical volume "lvexterno" |
| 13:00.12 | icebrain | (btw: yes, I've umounted the volume) |
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| 13:02.41 | Marvilleke | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 13:02.58 | Marvilleke | help |
| 13:03.09 | icebrain | Marvilleke: hi, what's the problem? |
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| 13:04.25 | Marvilleke | well im want to do virtual hosting with apache on lenny however i can't find out what im doing wrong, could you help me? |
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| 13:05.00 | icebrain | Marvilleke: sorry, but I've never did VH. But post your question, someone can possibly help you |
| 13:05.20 | Marvilleke | Ok Thnxs icebrain :) |
| 13:06.36 | Marvilleke | Well I followed the apache guideline for setting a simple virtual host see: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html the first section |
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| 13:07.42 | Marvilleke | I do not have a dns server yet but that should not be a problem |
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| 13:08.00 | D4rKr0W | Marvilleke: have you considered using a software to manage the different vhosts? |
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| 13:08.51 | D4rKr0W | there's load of hosting control panels, maybe those will ease the pain of having to configure everything by hand |
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| 13:11.35 | Marvilleke | My virtual host config is placed in /etc/apache2/site-available/ and can be found here -> http://pastebin.com/zCYtHKky |
| 13:12.22 | Marvilleke | D4rKr0W |
| 13:12.41 | Marvilleke | D4rKr0W, How do you mean? |
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| 13:12.44 | D4rKr0W | Marvilleke: did you a2enmod debian.mirror && /etc/init.d/apache reload ? |
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| 13:13.24 | D4rKr0W | Marvilleke: take a look at http://isp-control.net/ |
| 13:13.25 | Marvilleke | Yep That's what I do after changing my setting in my Virtual host file |
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| 13:14.05 | classical_ | i need a little help. i use evolution when i click mails in my inbox i cant able to view it in same window |
| 13:14.15 | classical_ | it is opening in another window |
| 13:14.25 | classical_ | how can i fix this ? |
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| 13:21.06 | mrcarrot | i have a really strange problem with xdg... i get double Desktops |
| 13:21.35 | mrcarrot | in the home directory i have both "Desktop" (english) and "Skrivbord" (swedish |
| 13:21.49 | mrcarrot | both for the same purpose. |
| 13:24.25 | mrcarrot | if i delete Desktop it will reappear the next time |
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| 13:27.20 | mrcarrot | cd /etc/ |
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| 13:31.30 | MrFrood | mrcarrot: I can't remember the solution but there was a thread about this problem over on 'Debian User Forums' recently |
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| 13:32.25 | Dude_Ehv | D4rKr0W --> Sorry It took some to get back however It checked your website but there is no debian package for it and it should be easy according all manuals to fire up virtual hosts within apache 2.2.9 |
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| 13:33.06 | D4rKr0W | Dude_Ehv: the software fully supports lenny, and gives you a full fledge hosting enviroment |
| 13:33.08 | D4rKr0W | *d |
| 13:33.34 | D4rKr0W | Dude_Ehv: you still didnt tell us where you're getting stuck |
| 13:34.08 | noo | hello I got a usb planctronics headset and I can't get it working. If I plug it in, then I can see it when typing lsusb, but I can't hear any sound. Can somebody help me sorting out this problem? |
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| 13:34.55 | deoxxa | libnoise is installed at /usr/include/libnoise on lenny, whereas it should be at /usr/include/noise. why is this so? |
| 13:35.17 | k-man | setserial is broken |
| 13:35.30 | k-man | it refuses to save and reload the state of my serial ports correctly |
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| 13:35.43 | noo | ok so If I choose usb audio under the sound preferences dialog, then I can hear this really very loud beep, but I can't control the volume :( |
| 13:36.39 | micols | alsamixer -c1 often |
| 13:36.40 | micols | or -c2 |
| 13:37.41 | micols | not sure if it helps, sometimes you cannot control usb volume in alsa, alsa is buggy sometimes I think , try installing alsamixer |
| 13:38.04 | micols | I use alsamixer -c0 (sblive), -c1 (usb webcam) , -c2 (usb condenser mic) |
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| 13:38.11 | submundo | a3a4 |
| 13:38.16 | micols | but recently I cannot control volume of the webcam, it is locked |
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| 13:38.22 | stew | deoxxa: have you checked the changelog? |
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| 13:38.37 | deoxxa | stew: i have not, i'll do so |
| 13:38.38 | noo | ok so alsamixer -c1 helped me a little, because now I can at least see the alsamixer for the headset soundcard, but still I can't hear anything if I start a youtube video. Is there a command to change the soundcard that is used ? |
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| 13:39.02 | micols | with an .asoundrc you might be able to change default pcm |
| 13:39.19 | stew | deoxxa: also check the bts, if there isn't a bug about it, consider filing a wishlist bug |
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| 13:40.15 | micols | 81.161.188.225/asoundrc noo , that might help you |
| 13:40.23 | micols | save as .asoundrc in ~ |
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| 13:40.40 | micols | you might have to edit the first lines |
| 13:40.56 | micols | to i.e. card 1 instead of 0 |
| 13:41.15 | deoxxa | stew, unfortunately it looks like that's just The Debian Way (TM) of installing headers after reading the bug list. makes it a bit of a pain to write makefiles for though :( |
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| 13:41.37 | micols | (could be card 0,1,2 in your case, try them all) |
| 13:41.50 | noo | micols: thank you I'll try that! :) |
| 13:43.16 | micols | if you use mplayer-plugin , you might have to change to ao=alsa in .mplayer/config (might help, not sure) |
| 13:43.17 | stew | deoxxa: hmm. I don't know why that would be the debian way |
| 13:43.25 | micols | (you could try that after asoundrc) |
| 13:43.29 | stew | deoxxa: i'd consider following up to 400410 suggesting they just use the default install dirs |
| 13:45.56 | noo | do I have to restart any deamon after creating the .asoundrc in my home? |
| 13:47.18 | deoxxa | stew: i'll put it on my to-do list, for now i'll have to work around it i suppose |
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| 13:49.22 | noo | Hey, I just looked at the output of aplay -l and it seems a little odd to me that both cards are device 0. Is that the way it should be? Sorry for this stupid question, but I don't have any idea. http://pastebin.com/gd2C84fV |
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| 13:56.06 | project2501b | hey guys, what package is perl's IO::Scalar in? |
| 13:56.13 | cahoot | no the have 0 subdevices |
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| 13:56.55 | Phil-Work | project2501b: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libio-stringy-perl |
| 13:57.08 | project2501b | Phil-Work: ta |
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| 13:58.00 | project2501b | Phil-Work: are you sure, mate? |
| 13:58.20 | Phil-Work | that's what that page claims |
| 13:58.32 | Phil-Work | can't say I've tried it |
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| 13:59.21 | project2501b | Phil-Work: right-o |
| 13:59.21 | Phil-Work | that's also for sid but the package is apparently the same on lenny |
| 13:59.30 | Phil-Work | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libio-stringy-perl |
| 13:59.31 | petemc | apt-cache show libio-stringy-perl seems clear |
| 13:59.33 | noo | ok, so now I tried "speaker-test -D hw:1,0" and I heard some noise in my headset. So it seems to be a gnome issue or something like that because it just uses the wrong soundcard? |
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| 14:01.48 | Tom01_ | How can I close the DVD tray with gnome? (I am using the shell.) |
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| 14:03.55 | k-man | how can i force setserial to be executed just before lirc is started? |
| 14:04.21 | k-man | i've tried setserial's auto load option but i have come to the conclusion its broken, so i need a brute force way now |
| 14:04.25 | dkr | eject -t |
| 14:04.26 | p0g0__ | Tom01_: eject -T |
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| 14:05.00 | ilius | when i login to gnome via gdm, it returns back to gdm again |
| 14:05.14 | seeds | eject -t |
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| 14:11.20 | sec_goat | I tried to enable my wireless card with iliwifi or something similar, I have a B$3 driver installed from linuxwireless.org. It is not the correct one, and I would like to remove it to stop the errors on boot (b43 Phy0 error). where od I start to get rid of this and get the right driver? |
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| 14:12.08 | cahoot | !wifi |
| 14:12.08 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 14:13.11 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Where/how can I get Debian stickers? |
| 14:13.41 | p0g0__ | sec_goat: blacklist it. |
| 14:14.29 | dkr | hid3: the first google search result? ;) |
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| 14:14.53 | dkr | actually, more official list, :) http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
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| 14:16.03 | hid3 | Thanks... |
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| 14:17.40 | sec_goat | p0g0_ : ok I blacklisted B43. . . I think |
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| 14:18.20 | sherbertpunt | hi folks, i need downloads some packages using apt aget so i discovered on google the following... |
| 14:18.20 | sherbertpunt | # apt-get install whataloadoftosh --download only |
| 14:18.20 | sherbertpunt | I can the install at my lesure so to speak |
| 14:18.20 | sherbertpunt | great but some of these packages have post installation scripts, and thats what I want to stop running now after googling around it doesnt seem to be clear on whether this can be done or not... there is an /etc/dpkg/preferences file but that might be obsolete.. any ideas |
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| 14:19.12 | hid3 | lol, they're costy :( |
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| 14:20.52 | Bushmills | hid3: have some printed, and sell them for less |
| 14:22.59 | hid3 | yeah... |
| 14:23.11 | hid3 | If I'd have all the things to print em, I wouldn't ask! |
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| 14:30.25 | Bartzy | is it possible to get the quarter of the year with date ? |
| 14:30.30 | Bartzy | meaning 1.1-31.3 is quarter 1.. 1.4-31.6 is quarter 2... |
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| 14:37.44 | abrotman | you want to know which quarter a date falls in? |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | Bartzy: ? |
| 14:38.56 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yeah but I take my question back, I need it for gnuplot, which uses 'date' internally probably, but I can't script for it |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | divide by three, floor() ? |
| 14:39.15 | dkr | Bartzy: there is a quarter() function in mysql. heh |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | erm .. (floor($month/3) +1) ? |
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| 14:41.47 | Fthth | Can I install Debian and run it from a USB flash drive? |
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| 14:42.40 | rioch | I've installed debian squeeze on a headless server. I selected encrypted partitioning. So, you can guess my problem: everytime I reboot I need to enter a password. |
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| 14:42.49 | rioch | Any suggestions to get around this without re-installing? |
| 14:42.51 | dkr | Fthth: yes |
| 14:43.09 | Fthth | dkr: just discovered Debian Live :) |
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| 14:43.13 | Fthth | Take it that's what I'm looking for? |
| 14:43.29 | dkr | !tell Fthth about usb install |
| 14:43.44 | silidan | hi, i have a little problem: i installed debian lenny and now found out that i made my /root partition too small and the /home partition too large.. how can i resize the /home and /root partition from within the running system? |
| 14:43.52 | Fthth | Ooh that's helpful. |
| 14:44.00 | ali3n0 | hi guys. I've got to sync a directory on a mounted remote cifs (ntfs I guess, not sure though) directory. With rsync I'm going to loose users, perms, symlinks etc, so I'm thinking about an incremental tar. any suggestion? |
| 14:45.34 | sec_goat | I mounted my windows partion described here: http://mrtextminer.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/mount-windows-ntfs-partition-in-debian-etch/ now how can I access it?? |
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| 14:46.41 | rioch | sec_goat, where did you mount it? |
| 14:47.07 | rioch | sec_goat, according to that blog post, it should be /mnt/windows |
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| 14:47.48 | sec_goat | rioch yes sor, I did /mnt/Windows |
| 14:48.06 | sec_goat | Ooh Now i do not have permission to open that folder |
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| 14:50.05 | flypp | sec_goat, check permissions of mnt dir: ls -l /mnt | grep windows |
| 14:50.30 | flypp | check who's the owner of that mount point |
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| 14:51.06 | sec_goat | only root. . . I need ot add myself, duh let me go figure that out! |
| 14:51.40 | flypp | sec_goat, you could set /etc/fstad to mount the partition width your user as owner |
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| 14:52.24 | sec_goat | Flypp: i will try that thanks |
| 14:52.53 | rioch | flypp, unless he wants other users to access the Windows partition |
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| 14:53.39 | flypp | in that case, he could set the mask of the mount point. Check man mount.ntfs-3g |
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| 14:57.47 | ToMoO_0 | hello there are option who point to pkgconfig (or package for debhelper)? when I use libdir=/usr/lib I have an error with pkgconfig |
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| 14:58.38 | ToMoO_0 | do you know where i can found documentation about who dh_* work? |
| 14:58.57 | stew | ToMoO_0: they all have manpages |
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| 14:59.48 | ToMoO_0 | It's probably for that who we need of path |
| 15:00.00 | stew | what? |
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| 15:00.31 | decan | has anyone ever heard about neuro-debian?? |
| 15:00.32 | ToMoO_0 | for link |
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| 15:01.03 | ToMoO_0 | for exemple (sorry I'm new new Be) |
| 15:01.09 | stew | ToMoO_0: you are hard to understand. perhaps you could get better help in your native language? |
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| 15:01.35 | ToMoO_0 | sorry |
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| 15:02.09 | ToMoO_0 | debhelper help for make debian package but he don't do all of the work |
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| 15:02.18 | shane4ubuntu | ok, I'm following this guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en from my ubuntu install, I'm down to D.3.2 Install debootstrap, I'm a little concerned about running the second set of commands, cd / && zcat /full-path-to-work/work/data.tar.gz | tar xv this seems like it would unzip the data.tar.gz to the root of my installation??? can someone explain that to me? |
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| 15:03.15 | ToMoO_0 | have a nice day, bye |
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| 15:03.42 | shane4ubuntu | to the root of my current ubuntu install, not to the new installation. I mounted the partition as /mnt/debinst and created the work directory in there and that is where I did ar -x deboot......deb |
| 15:04.05 | stew | shane4ubuntu: yes, it will unzip to the root of your installation, the data.tar.gz will have files like usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/lenny. you can check before unzipping with "tar tvf /full-path-to-work/work/data.tar.gz" |
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| 15:04.45 | shane4ubuntu | stew: it seems like that should be in the /mnt/debinst and not in my current installation though. |
| 15:04.52 | stew | shane4ubuntu: however, if you are running a recent ubuntu, and are installing lenny, you could probably just run "apt-get install debootstrap" to get your current ubuntu version and skip to D.3.3 |
| 15:05.12 | shane4ubuntu | yes, I would feel better about doing it that way. |
| 15:05.17 | stew | shane4ubuntu: no, you are going to run this software in ubuntu, not in debian |
| 15:05.37 | stew | shane4ubuntu: note that installing it from ubuntu will do this step you are worried about for you, but its going to do the exact same thing |
| 15:05.43 | shane4ubuntu | ok, that is what I thought, and that concerned me, don't want to botch my primary install |
| 15:06.18 | shane4ubuntu | thanks stew |
| 15:09.09 | sherbertpunt | anone ever heard of a file that has been updated but its modified time has not changed in alignment with th update |
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| 15:11.37 | shane4ubuntu | ha ha, gotta love Linux! Installing without ever leaving my Desktop! |
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| 15:13.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 15:13.23 | lenswipe | an xorg update has broken compiz |
| 15:13.24 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 15:13.42 | lenswipe | ie: if i enable compiz, i get no window decoration and no desktop effects |
| 15:14.10 | lenswipe | id also like to point out that this update was pushed to me by update manager before someone gets onto me and says its my fault (as is often the case) |
| 15:14.23 | Iridos | yeah, but you have to do everything manually, so it's probably a lot slower than doing a regular install from CD... so if it's not vitally important to stay up it's probably not the preferred way to do it |
| 15:14.55 | lenswipe | ??? |
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| 15:19.18 | jelly | lenswipe: you didn't have to run it |
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| 15:19.42 | Iridos | and you know who can help you... the bts... if there's no bugreport, it's time to write one |
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| 15:21.06 | jelly | lenswipe: rule of thumb with testing or unstable is -- don't do upgrades if you need to do work on your computer |
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| 15:25.21 | Iridos | like e.g. bug 581398... in case you forgot to mention that this is also kde stuff |
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| 15:25.37 | lenswipe | jelly, no, i didnt have to do it |
| 15:25.46 | lenswipe | jelly, but i get plagued by notifications if i dont |
| 15:26.07 | lenswipe | i love how something comes from the official debian repos and messes my machine up and the good people on IRC still manage to claim its my fault |
| 15:26.26 | jelly | lenswipe: you can remove the software |
| 15:26.29 | Iridos | are you saying it's _my_ fault? |
| 15:26.38 | Iridos | jelly, I think he wants a fight! |
| 15:26.53 | lenswipe | jelly, not to be rude, but if you worked in a shop and someone brought back say a pair of jeans that fell apart would you tell them that its their fault for purchasing them? |
| 15:27.12 | lenswipe | its the same principle |
| 15:27.25 | lenswipe | either way |
| 15:27.28 | lenswipe | how do i undo this? |
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| 15:27.32 | Iridos | well, in this case, I'll give you a full refund and you can hand debian back... |
| 15:27.36 | stew | lenswipe: if they were given the jeans under the understand that "we are just testing these and expect they might fall apart..." |
| 15:27.51 | jelly | lenswipe: you bought it from Ye Olde Funky Random Pants Shoppe... there's no warranty, expected or implied |
| 15:27.57 | Iridos | nono, I feel fine with giving him $0 back... no problem |
| 15:28.04 | lenswipe | stew, i wasnt given the xorg update on that understanding though, i was given them from the official debian lenny stable updates |
| 15:28.20 | jelly | lenswipe: testing or unstable might contain completely broken software. |
| 15:28.20 | shane4ubuntu | Iridos: yes, but it is a great learning experience, and I can do my work on primary install. |
| 15:28.25 | lenswipe | stew, i didnt see anything about "we are just testing this and dont know if it will cause problems or not" if i had done i wouldnt have install it. |
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| 15:28.39 | stew | lenswipe: what upgrade caused this? |
| 15:28.40 | lenswipe | jelly, i was given them from the official debian lenny stableupdates |
| 15:28.42 | jelly | lenswipe: the whole testing release is about that. |
| 15:28.43 | stew | lenswipe: from what version to what version? |
| 15:28.47 | lenswipe | steffen-, some xorg update |
| 15:28.56 | lenswipe | stew, not sure, it came out yesterday so someone else might know |
| 15:29.04 | stew | lenswipe: /var/log/dpkg.log would know |
| 15:29.06 | lenswipe | jelly, im not using the testing release |
| 15:29.09 | lenswipe | jelly, im using lenny |
| 15:29.14 | lenswipe | stew, ill take a look |
| 15:29.18 | jelly | lenswipe: lenny? Update Manager? pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude, please |
| 15:29.26 | lenswipe | surely |
| 15:29.29 | lenswipe | gimme a minuyte |
| 15:29.30 | lenswipe | minute* |
| 15:29.41 | jelly | I've only seen that PoS in testing and unstable |
| 15:30.06 | Iridos | I also assumed squeeze... that's what you expect from it... |
| 15:30.16 | lenswipe | here is /var/log/dpkg.log: http://pastebin.com/PTx8DQ1U |
| 15:30.19 | Iridos | I'm still willing to refund $0.00 |
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| 15:30.22 | stew | the last update of the xorg package in lenny was 1.5 years ago |
| 15:30.30 | eshat | Is it possible to tell "git-buildpackage --git-pbuilder" which basepath to use ? |
| 15:30.37 | lenswipe | stew, well someone else got one earlier today |
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| 15:31.01 | lenswipe | jelly, /var/log/aptitude is empty |
| 15:31.05 | Iridos | shane4ubuntu, well, sure, but that's "playing around" mostly... |
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| 15:31.48 | stew | ahh, that one was from 2 months ago |
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| 15:32.13 | lenswipe | stew, 2 months ago? |
| 15:32.17 | lenswipe | why did i only just get it? |
| 15:32.19 | shane4ubuntu | Iridos: I guess, but I can continue to do what needs to be done, as opposed to waiting for all those downloads, updates etc, I can let that work while I work. |
| 15:32.36 | stew | lenswipe: yes, 2 months ago: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-server/news/20100925T135952Z.html |
| 15:33.11 | shane4ubuntu | Iridos: and there is nothing like being familiar with your system, yes, it isn't probably the fastest way, but this is a side project. |
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| 15:33.24 | jelly | stew: was it sitting in proposed-updates? |
| 15:33.33 | yonkeltron | if i need to roll my own package in a hurry, is checkinstall still the preferred way? |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.35 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.42 | Iridos | tee hee |
| 15:33.48 | Iridos | wb |
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| 15:33.54 | lenswipe | stew, why did it only just come through? |
| 15:34.00 | lenswipe | and how do i get compiz working again? |
| 15:34.01 | jelly | (I knew that would happen!) |
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| 15:34.03 | lenswipe | likes compiz :( |
| 15:34.13 | stew | ahh, perhaps since it was not security related it was just part of the point release |
| 15:34.21 | lenswipe | yeah could be |
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| 15:34.28 | bejelith | Hi all |
| 15:34.31 | babilen | yonkeltron: dh_make is also a good start. But what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:34.34 | lenswipe | stew, anyway, how do i go about fixing this snafu? |
| 15:34.46 | stew | lenswipe: checked the bts? |
| 15:34.50 | lenswipe | the what? |
| 15:34.57 | stew | the bug tracking system? |
| 15:35.02 | jelly | lenswipe: you can try downgrading to the previous version from snapshot.debian.org, and report bugs if it's a regresion. |
| 15:35.13 | markit | hi, hd led is blinking, iotop shows nothing doing i/o, iostat shows io on sda, but how can I find what process is doing I/O? |
| 15:35.15 | stew | lenswipe: make sure compiz is up to date |
| 15:35.15 | lenswipe | stew, no i havent |
| 15:35.19 | lenswipe | stew, okay |
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| 15:35.32 | bejelith | i cant find any help on google to compile a debian source package for ia64 arch on a amd64 CPU, can someone give my some info? |
| 15:35.33 | yonkeltron | babilen: a package in squeeze was mis-built, i filed a bug but i need the correct build of it fromthe original source. don't want to resort to a make install or just aliasing the command if i can avoid it |
| 15:35.35 | stew | lenswipe: see http://bugs.debian.org/packagename for compiz and any x related package that just got updated |
| 15:35.38 | lenswipe | jelly, so i would download the previous version of xorg and install that? |
| 15:35.46 | lenswipe | stew, okay |
| 15:35.55 | babilen | !tell yonkeltron about package recompile |
| 15:36.26 | yonkeltron | yes, i know. the deb sources seem to have been patched improperly so a rebuild prob won't fix it |
| 15:36.28 | babilen | yonkeltron: You don't have to start from scratch, because you can use the original Debian package and adapt debian/rules to your liking |
| 15:36.36 | jelly | lenswipe: you would download the previous version of the affected package and install that. it's not called "xorg" but a bit different, it's in your dpkg.log |
| 15:37.23 | lenswipe | jelly, xserver-xorg-core |
| 15:37.26 | lenswipe | that the one? |
| 15:37.54 | babilen | yonkeltron: You can also use something like stow to install to /usr/local/stow/your_package from the upstream tarball. But if you only need to adjust some compile flags you should follow the steps dpkg told you about. |
| 15:38.49 | yonkeltron | ok |
| 15:38.51 | yonkeltron | i'll consider that |
| 15:38.52 | yonkeltron | thanks |
| 15:39.56 | Iridos | yonkeltron, it's not very difficult to remove single patches that break something when you recompile either, though |
| 15:40.06 | eshat | Can anybody recommend linux kernel 2.6.36 from experimental on a sid system ? |
| 15:40.51 | babilen | eshat: Tried it on Squeeze and had problems with suspend/hibernation. Apart from that it worked great. |
| 15:40.51 | yonkeltron | Iridos: fair enough. i'll look at these things. |
| 15:41.20 | eshat | is installing 2.6.36 |
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| 15:49.31 | yonkeltron | Iridos, babilen: this won't work, i need to start from scratch because the wrong version of the problematic library is in squeeze (way lower version). basically, this package is supposed to provide an executable which has a certain version of a library compiled in. this is provided in the upstream source. the debian package doesn't use that one but uses the system version which is very wrong. |
| 15:49.59 | babilen | yonkeltron: And the version you want is not packaged in Debian? |
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| 15:50.44 | yonkeltron | no. but that shouldn't matter because everything needed to build this package is included in the upstream source. it depends on a specific version which is why it's meant to be built as a self-contained executable |
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| 15:51.02 | stew | yonkeltron: is there a bug filed about this in the debian bts? |
| 15:51.07 | yonkeltron | yes |
| 15:51.12 | silidan | is it possible to resize the root partition in running linux? |
| 15:51.13 | yonkeltron | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605447 |
| 15:51.30 | stew | silidan: its possible to make it bigger, depending on the filesystem type |
| 15:51.50 | yonkeltron | i filed it only yesterday evening |
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| 15:51.52 | silidan | stew: good is it also possible to shring the /home partition in a running system? |
| 15:52.10 | stew | silidan: yes, but it would have to be unmounted |
| 15:52.22 | silidan | stew: some tut anywere? |
| 15:52.35 | stew | silidan: what filesystem? |
| 15:52.55 | babilen | yonkeltron: I recommend one of the following: i) use stow for the local install ii) use checkinstall (i prefer stow) and iii) upgrade the library package to the version you want and modify the programs packaging to (build-)depend on that version. |
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| 15:53.11 | silidan | stew: ext3 |
| 15:53.19 | stew | silidan: then "man resize2fs" |
| 15:53.49 | yonkeltron | babilen: stow won't shit all over my system? i'd only used checkinstall before. i also don't know how to make those changes, i'm not a dpm or debian developer |
| 15:54.11 | stew | silidan: for growing, you have to first resize the containing block device (partition?), for shrinking, you'd do that after |
| 15:54.17 | shane4ubuntu | ok, my sources.list is a little on the lean side, I basically have security main contrib non-free is there a good standard sources.list I can see that is not dangerous. :) |
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| 15:54.35 | babilen | yonkeltron: stow just makes local installations to /usr/local easier. You install the software to /usr/local/stow/whatever and stow will handle symlinks |
| 15:54.37 | stew | shane4ubuntu: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
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| 15:54.46 | babilen | !tell yonkeltron about stow |
| 15:54.46 | yonkeltron | babilen: thanks. i'll do that, then |
| 15:54.48 | babilen | !tell yonkeltron about stow usage |
| 15:54.55 | babilen | !tell yonkeltron about stow usage |
| 15:54.56 | shane4ubuntu | stew thanks again! |
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| 15:55.18 | babilen | yonkeltron: It is probably the easiest and fastest way. |
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| 15:55.32 | yonkeltron | gotcha |
| 15:55.40 | shane4ubuntu | stew seems that is the same as /msg dpkg sources.list :) |
| 15:55.51 | stew | shane4ubuntu: it is |
| 15:56.48 | silidan | stew: no easy way with simply using gparted or so? |
| 15:57.12 | stew | silidan: probably, I dont' know, i've never used it |
| 15:57.16 | shane4ubuntu | hmm, is there a virtual package to get the gnome-desktop? I found this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/gnome-desktop-environment but seems I don't have the right sources.list to get that. |
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| 15:58.17 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 15:58.17 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 15:58.18 | yonkeltron | babilen: make install didn't honor the prefix arg, i guess i'll use checkinstall. |
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| 15:58.59 | babilen | yonkeltron: You configured with "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version" ? |
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| 15:59.47 | shane4ubuntu | how legit is this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 16:00.23 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list â legit if it is on this list |
| 16:01.26 | babilen | yonkeltron: I see that the stow usage factoid uses the "prefix=/..." in the "make install" command. I'll typically configure with it. Never used the latter. Let me know if that works and I'll change the factoid. |
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| 16:02.50 | yonkeltron | babilen: yeah, the factoid should be modified. |
| 16:02.57 | yonkeltron | babilen: thanks for the guidance |
| 16:03.37 | babilen | yonkeltron: I'll do that and you are welcome. |
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| 16:04.32 | DotHack | hi! |
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| 16:05.20 | binarym | hi |
| 16:05.35 | DotHack | i'm trying to install squeeze as VM in Citrix XenServer but it hang when choosing "Expert Intall" in the installer after displayig the line Grant table initialized.. |
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| 16:05.50 | DotHack | anyone ideas how to fix this? Bootloader option maybe? |
| 16:06.32 | leafwiz | Hi, i'm trying to compile some software. But the autogen.sh cant find all the libs, but I have them on the system in /usr/local/lib. I have tried setting the paths to :export CPPFLAGS=/usr/local/include/:/usr/include/; export LIBS=/usr/local/lib/:/lib/:/usr/lib/; |
| 16:06.40 | binarym | i have "200% 1000 200% linux-swap method{ swap } format{ } ." on the partman section of a preseed file, when i run my installer on a server with 8Gb of RAM, i get a 96Gb partition for swap ... any idea ? :( |
| 16:07.00 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: Ah, should have looked at the link first. This will generate a (not very well documented) sources.list and also gives you the opportunity to select a number of third-party repositories of unkown quality that are not supported by Debian. It is also out-of-date (backports is official now) |
| 16:07.28 | leafwiz | Do I need to define a bin path as well? |
| 16:07.36 | binarym | leafwiz: you musn't use autogen.sh when you compile software |
| 16:07.52 | binarym | you must use ./configure --include-dir=/usr/local && make all install |
| 16:08.08 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: no prob, I didn't select any 3rd party stuff except multimedia, and can worry about backports later, just want the primary sources.list for now, thanks |
| 16:08.24 | binarym | correct me if i'm wrong but autogen is for generating autotool's stuff like configure, etc... |
| 16:09.00 | leafwiz | binarym, oh.. okay. I'll try that. I'm just repeating what I have seen in some guides. |
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| 16:09.09 | binarym | leafwiz: however, you can try to export INCLUDEDIR |
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| 16:09.19 | binarym | and LIBDIR too :) |
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| 16:09.46 | cybor0 | hello some help courier imap : ../bash/make_cmd.c:99: cannot allocate 555 bytes |
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| 16:10.47 | binarym | cybor0: can you please aks a real question ? I can't understand your problem ... |
| 16:11.09 | leafwiz | binarym, mmf... ./configure gives me error. I probably messed up the paths : this is what they are now. CPPFLAGS=/usr/local/include/:/usr/include/; export LIBS=/usr/local/lib/:/lib/:/usr/lib/;. |
| 16:11.29 | binarym | leafwiz: you must unset CPPFLAGS |
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| 16:11.56 | binarym | CPPFLAGS is for flags passed to the preprocessor, not path |
| 16:12.01 | cybor0 | when starting coureir imap i have this error: Starting Courier IMAP-SSL server: imapd-ssl/etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl: xmalloc: ../bash/make_cmd.c:99: cannot allocate 555 bytes (0 bytes allocated) |
| 16:12.15 | leafwiz | binarym, okay. |
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| 16:13.44 | binarym | cybor0: is your system up-to-date ? |
| 16:13.52 | shane4ubuntu | ok, something is missing, I run: tasksel --task-packages -t install gnome-desktop --new-install and it returns nothing? must be I'm missing something in my sources.list? |
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| 16:14.29 | binarym | cybor0: asking google, i got that: http://www.dotmana.com/?p=492 |
| 16:14.33 | binarym | did you tried it ? |
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| 16:14.49 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: Try "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" (or "gnome" or "gnome-core" for more/less packages) |
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| 16:15.07 | cybor0 | binarym i readed this and didn;t help |
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| 16:15.28 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: that is what I'm saying too, when I run apt-cache search gnome-desktop-environment it doesn't show anything, and for the record I did apt-get update. :) |
| 16:15.45 | shane4ubuntu | also, gnome-core shows nothing |
| 16:16.00 | leafwiz | binarym, can you think of anything else? Still gives me error and exit 77 - http://pastebin.com/0YCzPPMN |
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| 16:17.12 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: Paste output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy gnome-core" and your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:18.43 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/101144/ |
| 16:19.14 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: for the second command: W: Unable to locate package gnome-core |
| 16:19.36 | binarym | leafwiz: close your shell or open a new one |
| 16:19.39 | binarym | then tried again |
| 16:19.53 | binarym | if you fucked your environment, it might be better in a new shell |
| 16:20.02 | himuraken | Wanted to confirm real quick, mtu 9000 is correct right? Not MTU=9000 ? |
| 16:20.28 | himuraken | in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:20.36 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: sources: http://paste.debian.net/101145/ |
| 16:21.10 | binarym | leafwiz: moreover, you can make your system aware of /usr/local libs using ldconfig. Just read the manpage ldconfig(8) |
| 16:21.12 | DotHack | no one? |
| 16:21.13 | babilen | himuraken: You most likely don't want a MTU of 9000 |
| 16:21.46 | binarym | himuraken: man interfaces .... then search for mty |
| 16:21.47 | binarym | mtu |
| 16:22.01 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: for the sources.list, I'm removing lenny-proposed-updates that doesn't look right. |
| 16:22.10 | babilen | himuraken: And yes, it is "mtu 1500" (or something like that) |
| 16:22.37 | himuraken | babilen, I will be setting to 9000 for jumbo frames etc. Thanks. |
| 16:23.08 | babilen | himuraken: OK :) |
| 16:23.25 | cybor0 | binarym up to date help |
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| 16:24.07 | binarym | cybor0: no more idea, sorry :( |
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| 16:24.42 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: here was my original sources.list that I wrote based on the install guide: http://paste.debian.net/101146/ |
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| 16:25.11 | whodevil | hello all, I upgraded lenny to squeeze but now every time I try to update my sources I get this error |
| 16:25.13 | babilen | himuraken: You don't necessarily want the proposed-updates, yes. Apart from that, I don't quite see what is wrong. Could you try a different mirror, run "aptitude update" and check again? |
| 16:25.14 | whodevil | Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/squeeze/volatile/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.51 80] |
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| 16:25.26 | whodevil | any idea on what I could be doing wrong? |
| 16:25.59 | cybor0 | binarym up to date help thenx |
| 16:26.03 | babilen | whodevil: No volatile for Squeeze (doesn't make sense to have it) |
| 16:26.17 | babilen | !tell whodevil about volatile |
| 16:26.23 | abrotman | doesn't have it yet |
| 16:26.31 | whodevil | babilen: thanks! |
| 16:26.41 | babilen | abrotman: granted :-þ |
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| 16:27.04 | babilen | s/Squeeze/testing |
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| 16:27.38 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: back in a second â :-Q |
| 16:27.50 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: no prob, thanks |
| 16:27.51 | binarym | cydork: is it debian lenny ? |
| 16:27.51 | stew | its also possible that volatile will be renamed in squeeze to 'updates' |
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| 16:29.47 | shane4ubuntu | ahh, new mirror did the trick! |
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| 16:30.38 | shane4ubuntu | thanks all! |
| 16:30.45 | binarym | c |
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| 16:37.07 | cybor0 | binarym i have another problem to deliver message |
| 16:37.13 | cybor0 | binarym status=deferred (system resource problem) |
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| 16:37.52 | zxd | what's the debian social channel |
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| 16:38.49 | stew | zxd: there is #debian-offtopic |
| 16:39.44 | cybor0 | some help with postfix status=deferred (system resource problem) |
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| 16:41.02 | stew | cybor0: can you pastebin all the log lines for that queue id? |
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| 16:44.48 | cybor0 | http://pastebin.com/rMeBKGZN |
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| 16:44.50 | cybor0 | stew http://pastebin.com/rMeBKGZN |
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| 16:45.33 | stew | cybor0: since its trying to relay through spamassassin, i'd guess that is the problem. Is spamd running? can you try piping a mail through spamc? |
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| 16:46.19 | stew | cybor0: are there spamassassin log messages in the mail.log near the same time? |
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| 16:47.18 | cybor0 | stew from spam there is a message like this Nov 30 17:40:20 vz3677 spamc[15814]: exec failed: No such file or directory |
| 16:47.43 | stew | cybor0: is the spamassassin package installed? |
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| 16:48.24 | cybor0 | stew yes |
| 16:48.36 | stew | cybor0: what does "which spamc" return? |
| 16:48.57 | cybor0 | stew ?? |
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| 16:49.06 | stew | cybor0: what? |
| 16:49.24 | cybor0 | what do youe mean i don;t understand |
| 16:49.38 | stew | cybor0: if you run "which spamc" what is printed? |
| 16:49.57 | stew | cybor0: "which" is a shell builtin which would tell you where spamc would be run from |
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| 16:50.20 | cybor0 | /usr/bin/spamc |
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| 16:50.49 | stew | cybor0: can you show us your /etc/postfix/master.cf and the output of "postconf -n" ? |
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| 16:51.27 | stew | cybor0: hmm, actually i think spamc is getting run, so that might not matter |
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| 16:51.49 | stew | cybor0: what happens if you run "echo | spamc" ? |
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| 16:53.34 | cybor0 | stew http://pastebin.com/U4ZdN51p |
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| 16:55.14 | stew | cybor0: yeah, i really think it is a problem with spamassassin itself. see what happens if you try to pipe something through spamc |
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| 16:55.59 | shane4ubuntu | does debian not read ext4? |
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| 16:57.14 | jelly | shane4ubuntu: http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 |
| 16:57.17 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: It has nothing to do with Debian, but with support in your kernel. And what exactly do you mean by "read" ? |
| 16:57.40 | shane4ubuntu | jelly thanks |
| 16:57.55 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: hey the new mirror worked, seemed the mirror was wrong |
| 16:58.13 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: I read your reply. Glad it is working now. |
| 16:58.17 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: seems ext4 isn't introduced till kernel 2.6.28 |
| 16:58.31 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: Yes -- What are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:58.36 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: and I don't have that kernel, my home partition is formated to ext4 |
| 16:58.38 | leafwiz | Hey, I have now been trying to get a working torrent cli client on my debian stable server. But transmissioncli, rtorrent does not connect to the trackers. anyone know of a cli torrent client that is sure to work with the trackers which is in lenny? |
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| 16:58.44 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: that isn't going to work |
| 16:58.45 | jelly | shane4ubuntu: on debian stable, you just need a newer kernel. If you don't need to boot off it, the userspace is mostly ready |
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| 16:58.49 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: Well, install a newer kernel. |
| 16:58.56 | babilen | !tell shane4ubuntu about bdo kernel |
| 16:59.11 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: thanks. |
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| 16:59.24 | stew | <~cybor0> ho stew there is a problme with pipe ; yes, there is a problem piping to spamc, which is why i'm suggesting you try to pipe to spamc manually and see what happens |
| 17:00.26 | stew | cybor0: if you have an eamil handy, run "spamc < somemessage.txt", but as I said before, I think just "echo | spamc" might be diagnostic |
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| 17:01.52 | juniorsa | Hi, I have an issue sshing from host a to host b, I have put the contents using cat bla.pub>> .ssh/authorized_keys, as I have for many other hosts, but when I try and ssh to host b from host a, it gives me "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" any suggestions? |
| 17:01.54 | cybor0 | stew echo | spamc is here |
| 17:01.55 | cybor0 | http://pastebin.com/BmeitBab |
| 17:02.31 | stew | ok, so that worked (which doesn't tell us anything) |
| 17:02.50 | stew | oh, i wonder if postfix is chrooted |
| 17:05.01 | stew | cybor0: /usr/sbin/sendmail exists, right? |
| 17:05.39 | cybor0 | stew no |
| 17:05.44 | dkr | isn't it chrooted by default? I remember Wietse Venema talking to nylug and one of his gripes was about that. heh |
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| 17:05.59 | shadowlee | Good day, I need some help, I'm doing a school work in which we are asked to make a function in the kernel to call after a user program (system call), I'm following a tutorial I found on the network based on kernel 2.6.17 and earlier, I'm working with debian kernel 2.6.26-2, initially adapt the example of the page that is based on the i386 architecture, and place it in similar places on the x86 architecture, changing linkage.h files - unistd_32.h and s |
| 17:05.59 | shadowlee | yscall_table_32.S up there everything was fine until you try to compile the kernel, mark me 2 errors and 3 warnings, the link of the example page is: http://www .ibm.com / developerworks / ssa / linux / library / l-system-calls / - I have a problem, and I can not solve it, could you help me? |
| 17:06.12 | stew | dkr: it is chrooted by default, his spamassassin service is not |
| 17:06.16 | cybor0 | stew sorry yes |
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| 17:06.48 | Mowee | Hello ^^ |
| 17:08.02 | stew | cybor0: then next I'd try piping a real mail to the command defined by your spamassassin service: "/usr/bin/spamc -f -e /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f ${sender} ${recipient}" (replacing ${sender} and ${recipient} with actual values) |
| 17:09.04 | cybor0 | stew sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
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| 17:09.23 | stew | cybor0: what does "readlink -f /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
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| 17:09.54 | cybor0 | /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 17:10.03 | cybor0 | stew: /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 17:10.18 | stew | cybor0: oh, it must be dangling |
| 17:10.32 | stew | cybor0: try "update-alternatives --config sendmail" |
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| 17:10.58 | stew | but wait, debian doesn'tt use alternatives for sendmail |
| 17:11.31 | stew | cybor0: what does "apt-cache policy postfix" say for "Installed: "? |
| 17:11.38 | cybor0 | stew update-alternatives: error: sometkinh like no alternatives |
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| 17:12.01 | stew | cybor0: yeah, that's right, sendmail isn't normally managed by alternatives |
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| 17:12.39 | cybor0 | stew: apt-cache http://pastebin.com/ua2y3Su7 |
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| 17:13.57 | stew | cybor0: so this is something your administrator must have done? |
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| 17:14.22 | stew | i'm running the same version of postfix, it doesn't use the altneratives system for /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 17:14.52 | cybor0 | the postfix is broken and he is away for one week |
| 17:15.15 | cybor0 | show stew |
| 17:15.29 | cybor0 | so stew what should i do |
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| 17:15.52 | hektik | i have a question. im using proftpd. and i want to add users to my box, but i want them all to have access to the safe folder when using ftp |
| 17:15.57 | stew | cybor0: ask him why he replaced postfix's /usr/sbin/sendmail with a broken symlink |
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| 17:16.24 | cybor0 | oki wehen he be back i will |
| 17:16.37 | cybor0 | but what could i do righ now |
| 17:16.44 | stew | cybor0: you could "aptitude reinstall postfix" perhaps, but it makes me wonder what he was doing and why |
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| 17:16.48 | Usuario190 | hello how can i packup one folder from my home.tar ? |
| 17:17.16 | cybor0 | maybe i disable spamassain |
| 17:17.18 | cybor0 | ?? |
| 17:17.19 | stew | cybor0: you could also skip spamassassin perhaps |
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| 17:17.34 | cybor0 | stew: oki soem comment pipe |
| 17:17.59 | stew | cybor0: and actually, now that I think of it, sendmail would have to be some alternative, since otherwise, sendmail is just going to be postfix again, creating a loop |
| 17:18.12 | stew | cybor0: what do you mean by "oki soem comment pipe" ? |
| 17:18.28 | hektik | i have a question. im using proftpd. and i want to add users to my box, but i want them all to have access to the safe folder when using ftp |
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| 17:18.48 | cybor0 | stew: i comnet line in master.cf with spamassasin to disable this |
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| 17:19.47 | dkr | hektik: read the proftpd docs. |
| 17:20.01 | stew | cybor0: no, leave that alone. you need to tell postfix to use a different service for delivery. if you just comment it out, then you'll get errors trying to delier using a non-existant service |
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| 17:20.50 | cybor0 | stew: so how to do that |
| 17:21.15 | stew | cybor0: what is the output of "postconf -n"? |
| 17:21.30 | stew | cybor0: btw, what happened to break all of this? |
| 17:21.40 | stew | cybor0: and why are you running a mail server on testing instsead of stable? |
| 17:21.46 | hektik | thx dkr, thats a great idea. why didnt i think of that? |
| 17:22.15 | dkr | hektik: you were too busy repeating your question here? ;) |
| 17:22.26 | hektik | yea, thats it isnt it |
| 17:22.56 | dkr | but seriously, that is a very common thing and I don't know the details since i don't use it, but it has to be covered by the docs/faq about setting up groups |
| 17:23.15 | stew | what is the safe folder? |
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| 17:23.44 | nick_h | given an entry from sources.list , how can one determine the url to the apt repo? |
| 17:23.47 | nick_h | eg: deb http://www.serverdensity.com/downloads/linux/debian lenny main |
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| 17:23.55 | cybor0 | stew: i don't know |
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| 17:24.21 | stew | cybor0: to which question? there were three |
| 17:24.27 | cybor0 | stew: when i comment i get (mail transport unavailable) |
| 17:24.53 | stew | cybor0: yeah, that's what I meant by "no, leave that alone. you need to tell postfix to use a different service for delivery. if you just comment it out, then you'll get errors trying to delier using a non-existant service" |
| 17:25.25 | cybor0 | stew: so how to tell to use diffrent service |
| 17:25.43 | stew | cybor0: how did you tell it to use the spamassassin transport? |
| 17:26.08 | stew | (I'd be able to tell you, but both of my requests for your postfix main configuration have gone unanswered) |
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| 17:26.56 | blink | I am wondering how I can bring up additional IPs on a given interface if the initial configuration is done in initrd |
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| 17:27.16 | cybor0 | stew: this is in master.cf |
| 17:27.18 | blink | normally I approach this by doing 'post-up ip' commands |
| 17:27.29 | cybor0 | stew: so i have to write another service there |
| 17:27.35 | stew | cybor0: no, its in main.cf and would be output by the "postconf -n" i've asked for |
| 17:27.38 | stew | cybor0: no |
| 17:28.50 | dkr | stew: I assumed "safe folder" was a typo for "same dir" :) |
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| 17:30.27 | stew | cybor0: what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/sendmail" return? |
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| 17:30.44 | cybor0 | stew: postconf -n |
| 17:30.45 | cybor0 | alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases |
| 17:30.45 | cybor0 | alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases |
| 17:30.45 | cybor0 | append_dot_mydomain = no |
| 17:30.45 | cybor0 | biff = no |
| 17:30.45 | cybor0 | broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes |
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| 17:32.41 | cybor0 | stew: http://pastebin.com/XhJ6wyiS |
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| 17:33.33 | stew | cybor0: so you'd have to be making changes to the database table referenced in :/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf |
| 17:33.48 | stew | cybor0: but i really think you should be figuring out what /usr/sbin/sendmail si supposed to be doing |
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| 17:35.24 | cybor0 | stew: how from where |
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| 17:35.35 | stew | cybor0: how what? |
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| 17:36.08 | blink | I am wondering how I can bring up additional IPs on a given interface if the initial configuration is done in initrd; the interface is live before the networking script is run. |
| 17:36.30 | stew | blink: how is the interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:36.37 | cybor0 | what do you mean |
| 17:36.55 | stew | cybor0: i mean what do you mean by "how from where" I don't understand your question |
| 17:36.59 | blink | it's not. it's just up when I boot. ovh colocated server with iscsi storage for root |
| 17:37.48 | googlah | stew: tried to use google? :-) |
| 17:37.48 | blink | since the iscsi for / depends on ip, the initrd takes care of that much before the system can load. |
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| 17:38.02 | stew | blink: do you need the additional IP address to be added before other services start? |
| 17:38.06 | stew | googlah: why do you ask? |
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| 17:38.22 | markuman | can i use more than one mailaddress in cron-apt? |
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| 17:38.50 | blink | stew: it would be helpful, as long as it starts before openvpn (as the IP I wish to add is the egress point for clients using SNAT) |
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| 17:40.04 | cybor0 | stew: table is empty |
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| 17:40.35 | stew | blink: I'm not sure I understand the semantics, but I'd guess you can configure the interface using the manual method, and still use the up or pre-up directives |
| 17:40.38 | googlah | stew: sorry. i didn't see you were talking to 'blink'. |
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| 17:41.29 | stew | cybor0: i don't believe that. and again, i really think you should be figuring out where the missing /usr/sbin/sendmail went |
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| 17:41.41 | stew | 12:30 < stew> cybor0: what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/sendmail" return? |
| 17:41.44 | blink | hmm. I guess I'll experiement and see what happens |
| 17:41.47 | blink | thanks |
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| 17:42.21 | stew | blink: the other options might be to write your own init script, and to edit the networing init script. neither of which is as clean as using manual method if that would work |
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| 17:43.07 | blink | is rc.local parsed after all the rest of the scripts for a given runlevel? |
| 17:43.09 | cybor0 | stew: no file |
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| 17:44.24 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:44.31 | lenswipe | is there a 64 bit backported debian? |
| 17:44.39 | stew | lenswipe: what does that mean? |
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| 17:45.04 | lenswipe | it means my SATA controller is too new to be recognised by debian when i installed on this machine and used the 32 bit backported installer |
| 17:45.04 | stew | blink: iirc it depends on the debian version. it used to be, but then got moved earlier. check the symlink in /etc/rc2.d to /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 17:45.06 | Stylles | hi |
| 17:45.08 | Stylles | configure: Auth scheme modules built: ntlm basic configure: error: Basic auth helper winbind does not exist |
| 17:45.11 | lenswipe | i didnt know at the time my machine was a 64 bit machine |
| 17:45.23 | Stylles | Can someone help me with this error? |
| 17:45.26 | stew | lenswipe: which installer? kmuto? |
| 17:45.27 | lenswipe | so i want to re-install but i still have to use the backported installer until there is support for my SATA controller |
| 17:45.30 | tuvwx | what other good gui's are there for kvm besides virt-manager? |
| 17:45.40 | lenswipe | stew, i genuinely have no idea |
| 17:45.43 | stew | lenswipe: i've not heard of a backported installer, kmuto is an installer with a newer kernel |
| 17:45.51 | lenswipe | stew, i was reffering to the kernel in the installer sorry |
| 17:45.52 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 17:45.56 | lenswipe | kmuto |
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| 17:45.58 | stew | lenswipe: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:46.07 | lenswipe | is there a 64 bit version tho? |
| 17:46.10 | stew | yes |
| 17:46.35 | cybor0 | stew: so there is now way to disable spamassain |
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| 17:46.56 | stew | cybor0: yes, there is. you'd edit your transport map, but again, I'm not sure I believe this is the correct solution |
| 17:47.25 | stew | cybor0: the transport map is the thing that decides which transport service it uses for a given domain |
| 17:47.43 | stew | cybor0: right now, for this particular recipient, that is set to "spamassassin" |
| 17:47.50 | cybor0 | stew: but what should be in that transper map this is a mysql table whit two column domain transport and tehere is now any data in this table |
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| 17:48.27 | lenswipe | stew, the newest release of kmuto i could find had kernel Linux kernel 2.6.32 |
| 17:48.34 | lenswipe | stew, how does that sound? |
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| 17:49.07 | blink | stew: cool. thanks for your help |
| 17:49.11 | lenswipe | stew, actually im tempted to try squeeze |
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| 17:49.58 | lenswipe | squeeze and windows xp pro dual booted |
| 17:49.59 | lenswipe | :) |
| 17:50.18 | stew | cybor0: then I'd check the virtual_alias_maps, and virtual_mailbox_domains |
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| 17:52.11 | stew | lenswipe: yes, 2.6.32 is the newest kernel backported for lenny, afaik, the current kernel in squeeze does not work with lenny's udev |
| 17:52.28 | stew | err, perhaps it does |
| 17:52.35 | lenswipe | stew, im concidering ditching lenny and installing squeeze to see how i get on |
| 17:52.49 | lenswipe | ive had serious problems with hardware support from lenny |
| 17:52.54 | lenswipe | like SERIOUS problems |
| 17:53.09 | stew | lenswipe: have you tried 2.6.32? |
| 17:53.17 | lenswipe | im on 2.6.32 |
| 17:53.33 | stew | lenswipe: do you realize that installing squeeze would also have you on 2.6.32? |
| 17:53.36 | lenswipe | my sound goes AWOL every few days for no particular reason, sometimes Xorg wont start, now when it does start compiz wont work, lenny detects my SPDIF out as an input etc etc i could go on |
| 17:53.52 | stew | lenswipe: for your sound problems, i'd try /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 17:53.54 | lenswipe | stew, yea, but squeeze seems to have more of those things called drivers |
| 17:54.01 | stew | lenswipe: no it doesn't |
| 17:54.15 | stew | lenswipe: it has the same kernel you are running now |
| 17:54.18 | lenswipe | i know |
| 17:54.29 | lenswipe | 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 17:54.52 | lenswipe | but im sick and tired of all the hackery im having to do get lenny to work for me |
| 17:54.56 | seeds | alsa dies on me everyday. i have to do alsa force-reload everytime |
| 17:55.15 | yagoo | i have this model name processor: AMd Athlon XP 2200+ (cat /proc/cpuinfo) .. am wondering which item i can select from make config -- not sure if its a k6 or k7 compatible processor.. |
| 17:55.37 | lenswipe | seeds, no, my alsa seems to get occupied by process unknown and i have to reboot and do loads of other weird shit to get it to work |
| 17:55.43 | lenswipe | so this thing with compiz is the last straw |
| 17:55.46 | stew | well i'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to convince him he might be wasting a lot of time, he seems already convinced |
| 17:56.06 | seeds | lenswipe that is messed up |
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| 17:56.26 | lenswipe | seeds, yes it is |
| 17:56.35 | lenswipe | seeds, im re-installing |
| 17:56.36 | stew | yagoo: it is k6 and k7 compatible, yes |
| 17:56.40 | googlah | yagoo: it's a k7 processor |
| 17:56.41 | seeds | k |
| 17:56.47 | lenswipe | googlah, dont u mean an i7? |
| 17:56.55 | lenswipe | ...k maybe not |
| 17:56.55 | seeds | mine starts making this hiccup sound |
| 17:56.57 | stew | no, he means k7 |
| 17:57.02 | lenswipe | stew, okay |
| 17:57.04 | yagoo | stew, i'm guessing it's a k6.. it says cpufamily:6 ... |
| 17:57.18 | yagoo | ok thanks.. |
| 17:57.19 | yagoo | :) |
| 17:57.22 | lenswipe | seeds, aside from that i have the following that i listed to stew ..... |
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| 17:57.30 | lenswipe | seeds, <lenswipe> my sound goes AWOL every few days for no particular reason, sometimes Xorg wont start, now when it does start compiz wont work, lenny detects my SPDIF out as an input etc etc i could go on |
| 17:57.39 | stew | "K7, the codename for a generation of AMD CPUs, including the Athlon, Athlon XP, Duron, and certain very early Semprons" |
| 17:57.40 | seeds | wow |
| 17:57.52 | yagoo | lenswipe, you really shouldn't be guessing here.. this is core stuff :p |
| 17:58.00 | lenswipe | yagoo, huh? |
| 17:58.13 | lenswipe | yagoo, im not guessing, im re-installing |
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| 17:58.14 | stew | lenswipe: if you are having trouble with alsa, it makes more sense to try a new alsa version, then to reinstall just to use the same exact alsa version |
| 17:58.18 | seeds | i think mine gets tripped up when different sounds are playing simultaneously |
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| 17:58.32 | solars | whats the easiest way to use a usb hsdpa modem without kde or gnome? |
| 17:58.35 | seeds | like web video and exaile for instance |
| 17:58.40 | lenswipe | stew, i want a windows xp partition anyway though |
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| 18:02.09 | themill | dpkg: tell _2 about root |
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| 18:04.49 | BLZbubba | if i just want to install a basic squeeze system but i don't have networking available, do I just need CD1? |
| 18:05.22 | seeds | can i upgrade to wheezy yet? :) |
| 18:05.33 | BLZbubba | it's a big gap between netinst & 52 cd's |
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| 18:06.35 | stew | BLZbubba: yes, depending on what you expect "basic" to include |
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| 18:07.47 | lenswipe | stew, im looking on kmuto and theres amd64 and i386 architectures, would the amd64 ones run on an i7? |
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| 18:08.29 | pipeline | technically netinstall does not require the net to install |
| 18:08.32 | pipeline | but it has so little software on it |
| 18:08.37 | solars | can anyone suggest a handy network manager for debian without gnome/kde? I'm tired of using /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 18:08.37 | pipeline | that you won't be very happy if you don't have net access |
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| 18:08.54 | tharkun | solars: ifscheme |
| 18:09.09 | pipeline | solars: the daemon is called "network-manager." there are a billion frontends. apt-cache search network-manager |
| 18:09.20 | stew | lenswipe: yes, if it is a 64 bit processor |
| 18:09.27 | lenswipe | stew, all the i series are |
| 18:09.33 | stew | then yes |
| 18:11.52 | solars | pipeline, I only found these widely used gnome and kde frontend - any recommendation? |
| 18:12.05 | stew | solars: for which release of debian? |
| 18:12.25 | solars | unstable |
| 18:12.40 | stew | solars: wicd-curses ? |
| 18:13.05 | solars | let me have a look |
| 18:13.29 | zinx | solars: i use wicd |
| 18:13.43 | zinx | network-manager has always given me problems of one sort or another :/ |
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| 18:14.16 | pipeline | I hate network-manager and I just configure interfaces by hand :\ |
| 18:14.36 | solars | zinx, stew does it also support a usb hsdpa modem? |
| 18:14.46 | solars | looks nice for wifi |
| 18:15.00 | stew | solars: I don't know what that is, sorry |
| 18:15.32 | solars | these usb phone sticks |
| 18:15.46 | solars | wicd seems to be only for wifi, is that right? |
| 18:15.56 | tharkun | solars: you can manage interfaces using a makefile also |
| 18:16.03 | zinx | solars: no, it supports wired interfaces too |
| 18:16.10 | solars | ah okay |
| 18:16.27 | solars | I'm just wondering how to set up this usb modem without doing it manually |
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| 18:16.34 | solars | really tired of manual network config |
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| 18:17.06 | pipeline | your usb hsdpa will probably use pppd |
| 18:17.21 | pipeline | you could try using wvdial to automate its ppp config, but you're probably gonna have to do it by hand |
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| 18:17.39 | pipeline | wvdial and friends are really intended for real dial-up, not the slightly weird situation of usb phone sticks |
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| 18:17.54 | ma-ks | !pl |
| 18:17.54 | dpkg | pl is, like, polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 18:19.16 | solars | pipeline, so no tool supporting this? standalone I mean |
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| 18:21.39 | pipeline | solars: ...pppd is a standalone tool. |
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| 18:21.47 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 18:21.52 | ROKO__ | i install midentd |
| 18:21.54 | ROKO__ | in debian |
| 18:22.00 | ROKO__ | but where is config file ? |
| 18:22.05 | ROKO__ | not /etc/conf.d |
| 18:22.09 | solars | pipeline, I mean for convenient connecting |
| 18:22.09 | ROKO__ | not /etc/sysconfig ? |
| 18:22.19 | ROKO__ | where is configs directory in debian |
| 18:22.20 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 18:22.34 | pipeline | solars: ....pppd is a standalone tool. |
| 18:22.43 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 18:23.16 | solars | ok I got it |
| 18:23.27 | ROKO__ | anyone here ? |
| 18:25.02 | stew | ROKO__: midentd doesn't have a config file |
| 18:25.12 | ROKO__ | crap |
| 18:25.17 | ROKO__ | midentd have config file |
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| 18:25.18 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 18:25.26 | stew | ROKO__: no, midentd doesn't have a config file |
| 18:25.28 | ROKO__ | in gentoo its /etc/conf.d/midentd |
| 18:25.35 | ROKO__ | stew .... |
| 18:25.37 | ROKO__ | in gentoo its /etc/conf.d/midentd |
| 18:26.16 | stew | ROKO__: midentd doesn't have a config file, it takes all of its options on the command line |
| 18:26.23 | stew | ROKO__: what are you hoping to change? |
| 18:26.32 | ROKO__ | username ... |
| 18:26.55 | stew | ROKO__: man midentd, you can give it a -u on the comand line |
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| 18:27.08 | ROKO__ | http://dpaste.org/8TmN/ stew |
| 18:27.09 | ROKO__ | look man |
| 18:27.11 | ROKO__ | ... |
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| 18:27.25 | stew | ROKO__: please hit enter less often |
| 18:27.36 | ROKO__ | cannot undarstend |
| 18:27.38 | ROKO__ | ... |
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| 18:27.54 | stew | ROKO__: are you calling midentd from inetd or something similar? |
| 18:28.23 | ROKO__ | in gentoo is midentd with xinetd ^^ |
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| 18:30.16 | stew | ROKO__: so pass "-u roko__" to midentd when you execute midentd |
| 18:30.31 | stew | (or when inetd/xinetd/whatever does) |
| 18:30.53 | ROKO__ | so how can add to run it automatic when boot |
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| 18:32.28 | stew | ROKO__: you wouldn't, you'd configure inetd or xinetd or similar to run them when somone connected to the auth port instead |
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| 18:36.29 | p3rror | hello |
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| 18:38.25 | reber | hi there. I have big problems with the googleearth package. Does it still works ? |
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| 18:39.57 | themill | reber: a description of what your problems are might help. There's not much that Debian can do about google earth, however. |
| 18:40.17 | stew | reber: do you mean the googleearth-package package? or a binary from google itself? |
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| 18:40.54 | reber | stew, i mean the .deb generated by the make-googleearth-package. |
| 18:41.29 | reber | themill, /usr/bin/googleearth: 14: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: not found |
| 18:41.54 | reber | and actually it's true, googleearth-bin doesn't exist |
| 18:41.58 | themill | sounds like it failed to correctly build the package |
| 18:42.04 | reber | it is |
| 18:42.14 | reber | but the .deb is generated |
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| 18:42.30 | themill | reber: can you pastebin "dpkg -L googleearth"? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 18:42.37 | reber | that's why my question is : " Does it still works ?" ;) |
| 18:43.19 | themill | worked for me last time I tried it a couple of weeks ago |
| 18:43.24 | stew | reber: what version of googleearth-package are you using? |
| 18:43.47 | reber | running squeeze, latest from squeeze, lemme check |
| 18:44.17 | stew | reber: you should probably file a bug then |
| 18:44.19 | reber | http://pastebin.ca/2006952 themill |
| 18:44.30 | ROKO__ | N: Ignoring file 'apt-build' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension |
| 18:44.32 | ROKO__ | hm |
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| 18:44.59 | reber | stew, 0.5.7 is the version of googleearth-package |
| 18:45.09 | stew | reber: wait, /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin exists there |
| 18:45.16 | reber | mmm |
| 18:45.19 | reber | wtf |
| 18:45.26 | reber | how could it be |
| 18:45.26 | stew | try reinstall |
| 18:45.32 | reber | done twice |
| 18:45.38 | reber | (retrying right now) |
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| 18:55.05 | himuraken | I need a recommendation for an apt-get'able backup software for simple usb drive backups. Suggestions? |
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| 18:55.17 | himuraken | running Lenny/64 |
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| 18:56.24 | chrisb | is there a way to back out of a gnome-desktop install and switch to a simple wm like ratpoison, short of apt-get remove gnome-desktop gnome-core etc? |
| 18:57.22 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:57.38 | pipeline | chrisb: ~/.xsession |
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| 19:02.21 | chrisb | pipeline: thanks |
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| 19:04.08 | silidan | hi, i am currently on a live linux and am moving the root partition of an installed linux, what do i need to do to keep the installed linux booting? |
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| 19:04.33 | silidan | grub is installed to the mbr |
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| 19:07.57 | ROKO__ | stew |
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| 19:08.09 | ROKO__ | where can write network interface configuration ? |
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| 19:08.52 | chrisb | in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 19:09.22 | ROKO__ | hm |
| 19:09.22 | ROKO__ | they call me deprecated |
| 19:09.54 | stew | ROKO__: "man interfaces", but there is no reason to ask me personally |
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| 19:20.09 | pipeline | silidan: run grub-install again on the new disk |
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| 19:27.06 | reber | stew, done again. Still the same weird problem ... How can dpkg -L list a file not installed ... |
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| 19:30.35 | kalleth | hey, i have a folder which is chowned to group rails-edit, with group permissions rwx (i'll paste the ls -al line in a min) but whenever i try and cd to that folder as a user that's also a member of the rails-edit group, i get permission denied |
| 19:30.39 | kalleth | any ideas? :( |
| 19:31.48 | kalleth | alternator:/var/rails/imgaming# ls -al | grep public |
| 19:31.48 | kalleth | drwxrws-w-+ 6 www-data rails-edit 4096 2010-11-27 14:00 public |
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| 19:36.32 | Bushmills | kalleth: did that user log in again after been added to group rails-edit? |
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| 19:37.56 | kalleth | Bushmills: yes, i did |
| 19:38.02 | kalleth | i also logged in after making the permissions changes |
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| 19:38.37 | Bushmills | what does ls -l /var/rails/imgaming show? |
| 19:38.58 | b1nd3r | Hi. How a .deb package is created? |
| 19:39.03 | kalleth | sec, pastieing |
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| 19:39.22 | Bushmills | sry . ls -ld /var/rails/imgaming |
| 19:39.23 | kalleth | http://pastie.org/private/omcyjf9cpeio34yy2wemja |
| 19:39.26 | kalleth | ah |
| 19:39.26 | kalleth | k |
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| 19:39.52 | kalleth | drwxrwsr-x+ 13 www-data rails-edit 4096 2010-11-30 18:13 /var/rails/imgamin |
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| 19:40.24 | frangor | hi people |
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| 19:46.21 | bhoorthin | hey guys... |
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| 19:46.39 | bhoorthin | DO NOT click this..... unless you can handle it. Unbelievable shit http://houston.craigslist.org/flag/?flagCode=15&postingID=2087012610 |
| 19:47.28 | stew | please do not visit the above link from bhoorthin, he's doing bad things |
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| 19:50.06 | khaije|amalt | i'm trying to decide on hardware for a debian-based soho storage server, any recommendations? |
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| 19:51.07 | dclarke | question : anyone know how to setup a printer Brother MFC-495CW for a 64-bit AMD64 system? The nice folks at Brother did not release a amd64 driver. |
| 19:51.10 | bzrk | khaije|amalt: depends on what you need, i use an atom board and its really nice |
| 19:51.36 | Moskito | khaije|amalt, if you need AES, then go for a VIA CPU or a core i with hardware AES support... |
| 19:51.37 | dclarke | also .. oooo crap .. how do I remove a package ? I installed mfc495cwlpr from the Brother printer drivers site and its the wrong architecture |
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| 19:52.19 | khaije|amalt | bzrk: interesting i hadn't considered on-board encryption |
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| 19:58.08 | sneezewort | How does one add ppa repos in Debian? |
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| 19:59.05 | gusnan | sneezewort, ppa's are an Ubuntu thing, not applicable for Debian. |
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| 20:00.34 | sneezewort | Isn't Ubuntu based off Debian? |
| 20:00.44 | pipeline | they do their own thing |
| 20:00.56 | Bushmills | !based |
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| 20:01.11 | Bushmills | hm |
| 20:01.42 | Sm0ke0ut | it's based of yes, but both distro's go their own way and have their own goal |
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| 20:02.37 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:04.26 | dclarke | anyone know how to setup a printer ? |
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| 20:04.52 | Bushmills | !cups |
| 20:04.52 | dpkg | [cups] Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:05.08 | dclarke | oookay |
| 20:05.15 | dclarke | I think I have cups installed |
| 20:05.15 | khaije|amalt | sneezewort: the short answer is it's possible but like splicing human and monkey dna together the results aren't going to be exactly what you expected. in all honesty if you have to ask it's probably best to try to accomplish what you'd like in a different (simpler) way |
| 20:05.37 | Bushmills | but afaik, there's no .ppd for the brother mfc495. you may have to google for compatibility with another model |
| 20:05.44 | h725 | hello, I downloaded and successfully installed googleearth. However, when launching ./googleearth i get the error message ./googleearth-bin: no such file or directory. Of course the file is there and executable too, did anybody see this before? |
| 20:05.45 | dclarke | heck |
| 20:06.30 | Bushmills | h725: there's a .deb builder for googleearth. install that one, run it, then install the resulting .deb file |
| 20:07.02 | Bushmills | googleearth-package is the name |
| 20:07.10 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: it's easiest for people to help if you describe where you're stuck in the process |
| 20:07.48 | h725 | Bushmills: I know I tried that, same issue |
| 20:07.50 | dclarke | okay .. welll ... I have a printer at 192.168.1.20 and I select to add a printer and specify the tcp address .. then I need to choose a manufactured and then a model |
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| 20:07.55 | dclarke | the model is not there |
| 20:08.08 | dclarke | so I look at the Brotehr site and they have the driver there in a deb package foramt |
| 20:08.22 | h725 | there is also a bug report against that package since it's not building without --force (fyi) |
| 20:08.22 | dclarke | ut it is i386 not amd64 |
| 20:08.46 | dclarke | so I got stuck |
| 20:08.57 | dclarke | in the printer section of the Control Center |
| 20:09.13 | Bushmills | you should be able to run 32 bit software on amd64 arch |
| 20:09.28 | h725 | Bushmills: I know that I should |
| 20:09.46 | dclarke | well I tried to install the package from Brother and got a nasty message about an architecture mismatch |
| 20:09.49 | h725 | however, the only message i get is the no such file or directory, using strace apparently that message comes from execve |
| 20:10.16 | lelu | hey guys, when i ab test my apache setup, each apache thread is only using 1 to 3% cpu, however when i load a page in browser that jumps to 85 to 50% why is ab not doing the same? |
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| 20:10.53 | dclarke | I'll try to install mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb again |
| 20:10.54 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: hmm is the printer confirmed to work? |
| 20:11.02 | dclarke | maybe I'm doing something wrong |
| 20:11.17 | dclarke | we use it all the time .. other s do .. from Win XP and Win7 |
| 20:11.51 | dclarke | the real problem is here http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#MFC-495CW |
| 20:12.16 | dclarke | the cupswrapper driver they have there is i386 |
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| 20:13.26 | dclarke | dpkg -i mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb FAILS with dpkg: error processing mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 20:13.26 | dpkg | removes a liver from dclarke and replaces it with mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb FAILS with dpkg: error processing mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
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| 20:13.49 | dclarke | wtf? :-) |
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| 20:15.15 | stew | dclarke: you should recompile it from source to match your target architecture |
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| 20:15.33 | dclarke | I don't have the source |
| 20:16.09 | stew | dclarke: it claims to be GPL, so they should be providing you with the source |
| 20:16.20 | dclarke | okay .. I like that .. so let's see ... how do I extract the source from the deb package |
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| 20:16.47 | stew | dclarke: it wouldn't typically be in a .deb package. I'd ask them where you can get the source |
| 20:16.53 | dclarke | also .. this is mad .. how do I deiinstall that package ? dpkg --deinstall mfc495cwcupswrapper FAILS |
| 20:17.13 | dclarke | stew: okay .. so we are talking a whole order of magnitute problem here |
| 20:17.14 | stew | dclarke: its not installed |
| 20:17.28 | dclarke | dpkg -l | grep Brother |
| 20:17.28 | dpkg | ii | grep Brother 2.7-11.1 dclarke's private gamp collection |
| 20:17.29 | dclarke | ii mfc495cwcupswrapper 1.1.2-2 Brother CUPS Inkjet Printer Definitions |
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| 20:17.46 | stew | dclarke: what command did you use to install it? |
| 20:17.47 | dclarke | what is ii ? |
| 20:17.48 | _Dave123_ | im running a webserver now, however i would like it to run https:// for 1 site - is this easy to do? |
| 20:18.01 | bluesceada | hey where i am supposed to mount cgroup in debian? |
| 20:18.08 | dclarke | I used dpkg -i --force-all mfc495cwcupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb |
| 20:18.09 | stew | dclarke: that you requested it to be installed and it is currently installed |
| 20:18.14 | stew | oh, boy |
| 20:18.26 | dclarke | well that was because someone said that 32-bit should work |
| 20:18.32 | dclarke | well it is wrong I guess |
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| 20:18.57 | stew | dclarke: who told you to use --force-all? |
| 20:18.59 | dclarke | and dpkg --deinstall says dpkg: unknown option --deinstall |
| 20:19.04 | stew | man dpkg |
| 20:19.05 | dclarke | the Brother site |
| 20:19.25 | dclarke | at http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn3.html |
| 20:19.25 | stew | someone should give them a talking to |
| 20:19.33 | dclarke | well its wrecking my day |
| 20:19.49 | dclarke | Command (for dpkg) : dpkg -i --force-all (lpr-drivername) |
| 20:19.54 | dclarke | thats bullshit I guess |
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| 20:19.58 | stew | dclarke: i guess continue to follow their instructions then |
| 20:20.02 | ROKO__ | configure: libv4l 32-bit development files not found. |
| 20:20.03 | ROKO__ | configure: gstreamer-0.10 32-bit development files not found, gstreamer support disabled |
| 20:20.03 | ROKO__ | configure: libgsm 32-bit development files not found, gsm 06.10 codec won't be supported. |
| 20:20.03 | ROKO__ | configure: libmpg123 32-bit development files not found (or too old), mp3 codec won't be supported. |
| 20:20.03 | ROKO__ | configure: libopenal 32-bit development files not found (or too old), OpenAL won't be supported. |
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| 20:20.12 | ROKO__ | how install this packages ? |
| 20:20.15 | stew | dclarke: its bullshit that they are too lazy to provide you with a amd64 version |
| 20:20.26 | dclarke | stew: sources ! |
| 20:20.28 | stew | ROKO__: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 20:20.38 | ROKO__ | stew wine |
| 20:20.38 | dclarke | stew: if I had sources then I'd be all over it |
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| 20:20.49 | stew | !wayc ROKO__ |
| 20:20.49 | dpkg | ROKO__: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 20:21.20 | ROKO__ | because in apt is very old package of wine |
| 20:21.22 | dclarke | stew: I give up .. their instructions are trash and fail |
| 20:21.22 | jelly-hme | because the wine available in Debian is old? |
| 20:21.33 | ROKO__ | 1.1.XX |
| 20:21.39 | ROKO__ | current stable is 1.3 |
| 20:21.42 | stew | ROKO__: apt-get build-dep wine |
| 20:21.47 | jelly-hme | ROKO__: current stable is 1.2 |
| 20:21.56 | ROKO__ | anywhere |
| 20:22.04 | ROKO__ | i want compile 1.2 |
| 20:22.15 | makubi | thewanderer1, jelly-hme: woho! |
| 20:22.42 | dancek | ROKO__, you might wanna look at http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
| 20:22.43 | ROKO__ | on amd64 |
| 20:22.49 | ROKO__ | i'm on squeeze |
| 20:22.56 | jelly-hme | ROKO__: there's 1.2.0 at http://www.sk2.org/wine/ |
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| 20:23.13 | thewanderer1 | makubi: so it's you who was convincing GRUB to work? :P |
| 20:23.22 | ROKO__ | jelly |
| 20:23.24 | jelly-hme | ROKO__: it should be not too hard to adapt the deb-src from there to work for the latest wine 1.2.x |
| 20:23.31 | ROKO__ | how ? |
| 20:23.39 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: have you been able to add other printers in the past? |
| 20:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: Squeeze is testing and is not supported yet, but if you're running it you should be able to adapt the directions. |
| 20:23.54 | dancek | ROKO__, the page i referred to says it has packages for squeeze too |
| 20:23.56 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: this is a fresh install of Debian 5.0.6 |
| 20:24.01 | makubi | thewanderer1: yeah :D |
| 20:24.03 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: so .. no |
| 20:24.09 | ROKO__ | http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
| 20:24.12 | ROKO__ | here is 1.1.42 |
| 20:24.13 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 20:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: If you're running testing you should be aware of the differences from lenny. Otherwise you should be running lenny. |
| 20:24.18 | ROKO__ | i talk to 1.2 |
| 20:24.19 | ROKO__ | wine |
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| 20:24.28 | khaije|amalt | are you following any instructions? any of that sort of thing? |
| 20:24.35 | jelly-hme | ROKO__: using the methodology in /msg dpkg ssb, /msg dpkg uupdate and knowledge of how apt repo sources work |
| 20:24.52 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: yes .. the instructions on the Brother site with the .deb packages |
| 20:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: Do you have any experience building packages for linux (or any other OS)? |
| 20:25.02 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: those instructions are trash |
| 20:25.03 | jelly-hme | ROKO__: or you could try and see if 1.2.0 is good enough for your purposes. |
| 20:25.14 | ROKO__ | jhutchins_lt yes but only for gentoo |
| 20:25.28 | makubi | thewanderer1: Shortly, after you were gone yesterday, I restarted the server... But I had forgotten to run update-grub... |
| 20:26.03 | dclarke | oooh hell : KDE control Center (kcontrol) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) |
| 20:26.14 | dclarke | I soooo *give up* |
| 20:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: Gentoo does a lot of the work for you, so it doesn't really count. |
| 20:26.43 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: so does debian! |
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| 20:26.51 | ROKO__ | in gentoo just emerge wine and voala |
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| 20:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: You probably want to look for a general software-building guide that explains things like getting dependency source and header trees. |
| 20:27.16 | stew | ROKO__: in debian its just "aptitude install wine" and voila |
| 20:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: Well, debian just apt-get wine and voi la. |
| 20:27.23 | thewanderer1 | I was thinking that one could simply build Wine by using uupdate on a newer tarball |
| 20:27.23 | makubi | thewanderer1: so... booting ubuntu-usb, restoring both raids, opening crypt, activating lvm, mounting, installing grub and now, woha, it really works (even using ssh to connect before booting the kernel, thanks to dropbear) |
| 20:27.29 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: try just ipp printing bash$ echo "this is a test" | lp -h ipaddress - |
| 20:27.29 | ROKO__ | but debian is very very old ... |
| 20:27.45 | thewanderer1 | makubi: before booting the kernel? now that's magic :D |
| 20:27.48 | jelly-hme | stew: are you still suggesting usage of pre-1.2 wine? |
| 20:28.00 | makubi | thewanderer1: no sorry |
| 20:28.02 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: Do you know that the newer version does something that the older does not? |
| 20:28.03 | makubi | thewanderer1: I meant system |
| 20:28.05 | makubi | :> |
| 20:28.21 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: oookay .. lemme try |
| 20:28.38 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: i don't know the exact circumstances yr in, but i can tell you that just like anything else random actions often muddy the waters |
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| 20:29.06 | khaije|amalt | i had a brother mfc in the past (via usb) and it fully worked with not an ounce of hassle |
| 20:29.17 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: I did not perform random actions .. I followed the instructions on the Brother site |
| 20:29.41 | khaije|amalt | dclarke: like i said, i don't know your circumstances |
| 20:29.44 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: see echo "this is a |
| 20:29.58 | makubi | thewanderer1: but another question... do I have to re-order device-map or something like that when installing grub on every hdd? I think I don't, because it refers to /dev/md0... right? |
| 20:30.00 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: see http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html |
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| 20:30.13 | dclarke | the driver install instructions there are wrong |
| 20:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ROKO__ about uupdate |
| 20:30.39 | dclarke | khaije|amalt: exact circumstances are trivial .. printer at 192.168.1.20 and system here |
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| 20:30.44 | bAndie9100 | hi all |
| 20:30.58 | thewanderer1 | makubi: no, you just put a mapping for every hdd (a few lines in device.map) and tell GRUB to install to different places (call grub-install with different arguments) |
| 20:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | ROKO__: You should probably look for general instructions on building software on http://wiki.debian.org |
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| 20:31.38 | bAndie9100 | what is an alternate for powersaved ? it do segfault |
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| 20:32.27 | makubi | thewanderer1: but what about that? http://nopaste.info/0bc2d9ec3f.html I have never seen grub using md0 or even why the fs-uuid is set? |
| 20:32.30 | thewanderer1 | bAndie9100: you don't need an alternative for many tasks - you can set various stuff yourself. the closest you can get is laptop-mode-tools |
| 20:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | bAndie9100: Which version? Did you report it? |
| 20:32.37 | Iridos | debug it, find out why, write a bugreport, get it fixed for everyone |
| 20:33.00 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: ROKO__ will have to uupdate from an unofficial deb-src repo that I already mentioned. wine in debian is too old, and there are missing build-deps as well |
| 20:33.04 | bAndie9100 | jhutchins_lt, howto report? |
| 20:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | !bugs |
| 20:33.13 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 20:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | !bugreport |
| 20:34.15 | thewanderer1 | makubi: GRUB2 can use filesystem UUIDs which it now, as you can see, does. |
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| 20:34.54 | thewanderer1 | makubi: so this "--fs-uuid --set c599c017-3631-40d0-9e3d-629a79530c64" makes GRUB boot from sth like /dev/disk/by-uuid/c599c017-3631-40d0-9e3d-629a79530c64 |
| 20:34.59 | thewanderer1 | (I guess) |
| 20:35.00 | bAndie9100 | thewanderer1, ok i check the package |
| 20:35.14 | LemensTS | if you svn checkout a file, and you modify the file, then do a svn update, does it overwrite your changes? |
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| 20:35.24 | thewanderer1 | LemensTS: sure |
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| 20:36.24 | LemensTS | thewanderer1: if i have a config file with user/pword in my program that is on svn, how do i allow users to svn update without overwriting their user/pword each time? Should i just make them create a new file outside of svn for that? |
| 20:36.33 | LemensTS | wasnt sure how everyone else handled that |
| 20:36.53 | makubi | thewanderer1: well ok, but thats the uuid of md0... so do I really have to change the device.map when installing on different devices? there is no hd(0)... at grub.cfg, it just looks like it always uses md0, I am a bit confused right now |
| 20:37.54 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS: Isn't it possible to mark an individual file as "locked" or immutable? |
| 20:37.59 | thewanderer1 | LemensTS: most probably. also, using a concept of "default config file" looks rather promising - in many PHP apps for example there is config.default.php and the user is required to copy it as config.php or so |
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| 20:38.38 | rpgdude | install -D doesnt seem to work for me |
| 20:38.47 | rpgdude | install -D *.py debian/python-transitfeed/usr/share/python-transitfeed |
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| 20:39.26 | thewanderer1 | makubi: no, you don't have to change anything - still, GRUB2 is "magical" and somewhat like Ubuntu/Windows... it likes to guess things for you. any reason it should not use md0? |
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| 20:41.08 | tbsaunde | 0/win 16 |
| 20:41.24 | thewanderer1 | still 0 |
| 20:41.45 | makubi | thewanderer1: well, I do not think so, I just wonder that grub can "read" the raid... so if one hdd crashes, grub won't mind (I think?) |
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| 20:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: How about doing some general research about booting from raid arrays? |
| 20:42.44 | tuvwx | apt's daily cronjob keeps getting defunct (multiple machines), and i suspect unattended-upgrades has something to do with it. anyone seeing similar behavior? |
| 20:42.46 | thewanderer1 | makubi: if your partition under the said UUID is really the RAID partition, then you should not worry - GRUB does support mdraid and can boot off mirrors |
| 20:43.05 | makubi | jhutchins_lt: I did, but they mention to change the device-map, but I do not think that I need this here... |
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| 20:43.19 | Pyista42 | Hi |
| 20:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: Give us a general article about how it works, how to do the initial setup, and how to recover from a failed drive or controller. |
| 20:43.24 | makubi | thewanderer1: well, that's very nice :-) |
| 20:43.38 | Pyista42 | how can I make a process not take up all the cpu? |
| 20:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: Post it to your blog or to the wiki, link it here. |
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| 20:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | makubi: I don't have the hardware to test it myself. |
| 20:44.02 | Pyista42 | it will run for a few minutes at a time and i would like it to maybe only take 20 percent of cpu or something over a longer period? |
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| 20:45.06 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: why would you want to limit a task's processing power? |
| 20:45.10 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: do you care how much it takes, if it only uses CPU when nothing else does? |
| 20:45.16 | makubi | jhutchins_lt: you are done trying to put me down? |
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| 20:45.48 | Kasreyn | anyone know which part of kernel handle OS autodetection with grub2? or does it just need NTFS support to discover such filesystems? |
| 20:46.12 | thewanderer1 | Kasreyn: --- Invalid question --- insert more cheese and try again |
| 20:46.32 | Kasreyn | i think the question is pretty clear |
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| 20:46.53 | thewanderer1 | you mean the GRUB kernel or Linux kernel? |
| 20:46.57 | Kasreyn | do you need NTFS kernel module for update-grub2 to work? |
| 20:47.05 | jelly-hme | Kasreyn: grub does its own autodetection |
| 20:47.12 | tbsaunde | Pyista42: ulimit may do what you want alternatively nice, or cgroups may do something more what you like |
| 20:47.32 | stew | Pyista42: do you know about renice(1)? |
| 20:47.33 | thewanderer1 | Kasreyn: it's os-prober which scans for other OS, not GRUB itself I believe |
| 20:47.38 | makubi | thewanderer1: well thank you very much for your help again, I appreciate your help :-) |
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| 20:48.04 | Kasreyn | well .. when i run update-grub2 as debian stock kernel it works, when i run under my own compile it doesn't discover my windows partition |
| 20:48.27 | Kasreyn | so now i want to know why |
| 20:48.33 | thewanderer1 | os-prober needs to mount NTFS to inspect the Windows version |
| 20:48.52 | Kasreyn | ok that probably explains it :) |
| 20:49.00 | Kasreyn | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 20:49.46 | Pyista42 | jelly-hme: ffmpeg video transcoding |
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| 20:51.24 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: I |
| 20:51.42 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: you can just renice it to +19 as see if that's good enough for you |
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| 20:51.43 | puty | hi. any channel to html support? thanks. |
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| 20:52.40 | Pyista42 | jelly-hme: i just don't want it to use 100 percent cpu to get it done in 2 minutes while the rest of the server is at stand still.....its fine if it takes a few extra minutes....even longer then that |
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| 20:53.30 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: well, if it's reniced it won't steal CPU time from any other processes, just idle |
| 20:53.32 | tbsaunde | Pyista42: then nice is probably what you want |
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| 20:53.37 | themill | puty: #web exists |
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| 20:54.24 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: so again, do you care how much it takes even if CPU has _nothing else_ to do? |
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| 20:55.15 | Pyista42 | jelly-hme: it might be nice for it to take a little bit more. but it is a web server so if there is a traffic jump it would need to slown down quickly |
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| 20:56.08 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: the kernel will take care of that if it's niced to a low-priority value (+19 being lowest priority) |
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| 20:56.29 | Pyista42 | + 15 is probably ok ? |
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| 20:57.30 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: I'd put it all the way to +19 and see if that's acceptable, tune only if needed |
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| 20:58.17 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: on a webserver, you need to set the I/O priority too |
| 20:58.22 | Pyista42 | jelly-hme: i just want the db and web server to have full priority |
| 20:58.32 | thewanderer1 | unless you don't give a crap about I/O and are on a 10-drive SSD storage matrix |
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| 20:58.43 | Pyista42 | this is just the ffmpeg i want to be limited .....it will be a cron |
| 20:58.54 | stew | what if i'm on a 9-drive SSD storage matrix? |
| 20:59.03 | thewanderer1 | then you're not so cool :P |
| 20:59.45 | Pyista42 | so limit io of ffmpeg and the cpu usage and the server should run flawless and be really responsive ? |
| 20:59.45 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: most wait is caused by I/O wait nowadays, so the proper way to run this would be `nice -- ionice -- command` of course with proper arguments |
| 20:59.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 21:00.02 | Pyista42 | sounds good |
| 21:00.11 | Pyista42 | otherwise i was going to get another dedicated just for video transcoding |
| 21:00.13 | thewanderer1 | you might also want to put some ulimit on it, like memory |
| 21:00.20 | Pyista42 | which might have to happen eventually anyways buuut there is not many videos right now |
| 21:00.22 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: if that process is the only resource consumer for your bottleneck, yes |
| 21:00.41 | Pyista42 | yes the web server will be fairly low traffic for a while |
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| 21:01.04 | thewanderer1 | if you're on a recent kernel, like 2.6.36, then putting the server in 1 cgroup and ffmpeg in another will boost responsiveness significantly |
| 21:01.16 | thewanderer1 | does not matter on 2.6.32 and the like, though |
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| 21:02.06 | jelly-hme | uh, cgroups exist in .32 |
| 21:02.27 | Pyista42 | i want the server to be as responsive as it possibly can |
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| 21:02.45 | Pyista42 | thewanderer1: did i mention that this is a xen vps :) |
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| 21:03.18 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: yes, cgroups exist in .32 but they don't offer responsiveness boost brought about by some 2.6.36 patches |
| 21:03.23 | jelly-hme | Pyista42: define responsive. interactive shell usage? some specific service response time? http responses from a local web server? |
| 21:03.41 | Pyista42 | when i run ffmpeg just straight up the apache server struggles |
| 21:03.46 | Pyista42 | its taking up all the cpu |
| 21:03.51 | Pyista42 | i just dont want that to happen |
| 21:03.55 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: sure they do, you can still create a cgroup or three and put processes in there |
| 21:04.17 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: yes, but it offers no great benefits over just nicing this ffmpeg |
| 21:04.18 | stew | Pyista42: and you are sure that CPU is the bottleneck instead of io? |
| 21:04.28 | Pyista42 | i have not checked |
| 21:04.28 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: duh. |
| 21:04.30 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: do you have only 1 CPU there? or a bunch of? |
| 21:04.35 | Pyista42 | vps |
| 21:04.38 | Pyista42 | :P |
| 21:04.48 | Pyista42 | i can get a dedicated if neededc but only doing a few videos a week |
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| 21:04.58 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: no, really, 2.6.36 is said to do "wonders" to responsiveness under load |
| 21:05.04 | thewanderer1 | (in cgroups) |
| 21:05.19 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I hope you're not refering to those per-tty patch silliness |
| 21:05.28 | thewanderer1 | of course not :P |
| 21:05.36 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: sure, but VPS can have multiple processing nodes... only have 1? |
| 21:05.43 | Pyista42 | yes i think so |
| 21:05.47 | Pyista42 | i can get more as well if needed |
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| 21:05.57 | ma-ks | !pl |
| 21:05.57 | dpkg | from memory, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 21:06.47 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: then if I were you I would use nice and ionice to run ffmpeg, and if you require more performance get some more CPU nodes |
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| 21:07.04 | thewanderer1 | running Apache under nice -5 could work, too |
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| 21:07.16 | chrisb | wonders if extlinux will be added to the list of default bootloaders at install |
| 21:07.34 | thewanderer1 | thinks that the mailing list is the right place to check :P |
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| 21:07.43 | Pyista42 | will getting that newer kernel help as well thewanderer1? |
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| 21:07.57 | LordVorp | #debian-arm is invite only... is this normal? I wanna ask about things on my Guruplug... |
| 21:07.59 | themill | blahdeblah: you might want to fix your client so that it doesn't flood you off the network when you first connect. |
| 21:07.59 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: if you're trapped inside a Xen VM, is that even possible? |
| 21:08.04 | Pyista42 | sure |
| 21:08.21 | Pyista42 | xen is not like openvz it does have its own kernel |
| 21:08.29 | Pyista42 | its not userland as far as i know |
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| 21:08.43 | thewanderer1 | but it does use paravirt and requires a specially compiled kernel |
| 21:08.49 | stew | LordVorp: use #debian-arm on irc.debian.org instead |
| 21:08.54 | Pyista42 | hmmm |
| 21:08.55 | thewanderer1 | so your hosting provider, if any, might not allow you to use custom kernels I guess |
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| 21:09.05 | Pyista42 | i can try |
| 21:09.07 | themill | LordVorp: wrong network (oftc); there's #openplug here. |
| 21:09.10 | Pyista42 | ./ask |
| 21:09.33 | thewanderer1 | Pyista42: of course unless you're running under full hardware virt - under VT/SVM everything is possible :P |
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| 21:10.20 | Pyista42 | i am trying to squeeze as much power / longevity out of this vps as i can thewanderer1 |
| 21:10.53 | thewanderer1 | well, do you really need Apache? |
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| 21:11.09 | Pyista42 | well its a rails application |
| 21:11.23 | thewanderer1 | I'd look into running it on Lighttpd and some benchmarks |
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| 21:12.49 | thewanderer1 | and, of course, optimizing the application itself |
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| 21:13.23 | Pyista42 | thewanderer1: mod_rack is usually like the de facto best way to run ails apps |
| 21:13.41 | fbe^ | jhutchins: deine mudda |
| 21:13.45 | thewanderer1 | well, optimizing Apache is possible as well |
| 21:13.59 | thewanderer1 | also, give it some more priority, say, -5 |
| 21:14.18 | jon8 | does anyone know of a repository that has openssl 1.0.0b on it? |
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| 21:15.33 | jelly-home | jon8: why do you need it? |
| 21:16.07 | kaluva | Hi. Do you think they'll update the pidgin in squeeze with that from unstable to fix the MSN and AIM bugs? |
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| 21:16.25 | abrotman | kaluva: maybe you sohuld contact MSN and AIM to ask them to revert their changes :) |
| 21:16.26 | jelly-home | jon8: (I don't know of one, am just interested in the reason) |
| 21:16.29 | thewanderer1 | kaluva: Freeze is Squozen they say, so don't expect that |
| 21:16.37 | abrotman | kaluva: FWIW, I use AIM on squeeze, haven't had any issues with it |
| 21:17.01 | kaluva | thewanderer1: Yeah, but bug fixes still get in, if they are important enough. Hence my question |
| 21:17.08 | jon8 | jelly-home well, i guess my reason behind wanting to change is b/c i just did apt-get install openssl and it installed, 0.9.8g-15+lenny9 |
| 21:17.25 | jelly-home | jon8: is that an issue? |
| 21:17.27 | kaluva | abrotman: Haven't had any until today, but it's very persistent now. |
| 21:17.27 | jon8 | jelly-home my only thoughts are that, 1.0.0 wouldnt be out if there wasn't problems with other version |
| 21:17.34 | thewanderer1 | kaluva: Sid packages will by no means get through, perhaps just a few fixes can get backported |
| 21:17.38 | jon8 | jelly-home there are no issues. |
| 21:18.07 | jelly-home | jon8: Debian security team keeps the security bugs away. Usually. |
| 21:18.18 | kaluva | thewanderer1: Yeah, you're right. I confused that. |
| 21:18.32 | extor | I sometimes get this nasty problem in DSL after clicking something where my mouse turns into a cross cursor with a top line and left vertical line(sort of half a square) and I can't click anything nor get rid of that wierd cursor design thus rendering my mouse paralized. What do? |
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| 21:18.35 | jon8 | jelly-home hm.. how do i make sure that i'm current with any bug fixes to debian then? |
| 21:18.52 | thewanderer1 | extor: define DSL |
| 21:18.57 | makubi | n8 ppl, successfully hacking |
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| 21:19.26 | stew | jon8: http://security-tracker.debian.org/openssl |
| 21:19.28 | extor | Damn Small Linux |
| 21:19.40 | thewanderer1 | doesn't it have its own channel? |
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| 21:19.45 | stew | extor: please go to #damnsmalllinux |
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| 21:20.18 | extor | It's a dead channel |
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| 21:20.38 | stew | extor: try to find a mailinglist. we only support debian here. (/msg dpkg based on debian ) |
| 21:20.43 | kaluva | extor: Then you coud try #linux |
| 21:20.48 | stew | he means ##linux |
| 21:21.09 | extor | dsl is built on debian |
| 21:21.21 | stew | extor: we know, see /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 21:21.33 | thewanderer1 | I bet my linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64.deb that this bug extor is encountering is a bug in the desktop environment or graphics drivers :P |
| 21:23.02 | extor | ok fine it is end of story |
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| 21:26.24 | stew | kaluva: there are currently no release critical bugs filed against pidgin, so no, you should not expect an update from unstable to squeeze |
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| 21:38.03 | Bushmills | if you split expressions over lines, you still need a comma at the end |
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| 21:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's a firefox bug. |
| 21:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's engaging drag mode on something that can't be dragged. |
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| 21:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | I never had trouble with the slightly recessed touchpad on my toshiba, but the combination of the smaller form factor and flush trackpad on this Acer One mean I have to disable it if I'm typing. |
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| 21:43.56 | _sho_ | if i have a .deb file i need to reinstall, how do i do so |
| 21:43.57 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: oh. I thought DSL didn't have Firefox by default |
| 21:44.00 | _sho_ | dpkg -(what) |
| 21:44.01 | dpkg | _sho_: i don't know |
| 21:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Dunno, it's a firefox bug in any case. |
| 21:44.24 | stew | _sho_: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 21:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | Fortunately the "lock trackpad" function key works. |
| 21:44.40 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: regarding the touchpad issue, there's a daemon to lock it for you |
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| 21:45.00 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That doesn't mean that other software might not have the same problem if it allows draging or gestures. |
| 21:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Details/link? |
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| 21:46.03 | thewanderer1 | it was in the packages, trying to remember the keywords now |
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| 21:47.24 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: this seems to be relevant http://nialldonegan.me/2007/05/21/disabling-synaptic-touchpad-while-typing-in-linux/ |
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| 21:49.38 | LordVorp | f'in IRC client crashed when I went to see what somebody just said to me... what was that, again, pls? |
| 21:50.00 | stew | < stew> LordVorp: use #debian-arm on irc.debian.org instead |
| 21:50.08 | LordVorp | stew: thank you. |
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| 22:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | Well, that was interesting. |
| 22:02.07 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Cool feature but I think this is a Chicony, not a Synaptic, and syndaemon isn't running. |
| 22:02.43 | thewanderer1 | aren't they all clones of Synaptic? |
| 22:02.52 | thewanderer1 | or rather Synaptics... |
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| 22:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. X treats this as a wheel mouse. |
| 22:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | PS2. |
| 22:03.34 | thewanderer1 | aww :D |
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| 22:07.53 | f3xy | is it possible to roll rpms for centos 5.5 on squeeze? |
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| 22:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | f3xy: Possible yes, probably not much support here thoug. |
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| 22:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | f3xy: I think alien will convert .deb to .rpm. |
| 22:11.38 | f3xy | I thought it was the other way around |
| 22:11.57 | f3xy | oh I guess it goes both ways |
| 22:11.59 | f3xy | hmmm |
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| 22:13.10 | blink | anybody here familiar with netfilter? I'm having a problem with SNAT. |
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| 22:13.31 | stew | blink: many people, just ask your real question (or ask it in #netfilter) |
| 22:13.51 | blink | #netfilter just chastized me for not buying another network adaptor. |
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| 22:14.23 | f3xy | tell them it's an academic pursuit ;) |
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| 22:15.12 | stew | then I'll just chastize for not actually asking your question... |
| 22:15.35 | blink | I have a single interface (eth0) and two addresses. openvpn users are dialing in to one, getting an an IP in 10.8.0.x and then egress the other address |
| 22:15.52 | blink | I've added the egress ip using ip addr, it uses the same default gateway |
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| 22:16.27 | blink | and I've run the following iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 94.23.153.x |
| 22:16.32 | blink | where source is that second ip |
| 22:16.59 | blink | the openvpn clients can ping source ip, but traffic is getting through; tcpdump of that host shows 0 packets |
| 22:17.36 | blink | my question is: what do I need to do to have 10.8.0.x clients have their traffic egress eth0 with ip 94.23.153.x |
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| 22:19.54 | blink | I'm going home, but have access, and will be working on this again in about 30 minutes. any help is appreciated. |
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| 22:21.33 | jhutchins_lt | blink: You don't need to route the VPN, you just need to accept packets for it, it will do the routing itself. |
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| 22:33.44 | michalxo | hello! |
| 22:33.49 | michalxo | any help on this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605224 |
| 22:33.59 | michalxo | or, where could I discuss it? |
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| 22:36.50 | vinsci | michalxo, if it's gnome messing up, you may want to try to assign the bug to the main gnome package you have installed instead |
| 22:37.18 | michalxo | main gnome package? like gnome-core? |
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| 22:37.30 | vinsci | michalxo,forget that, already done |
| 22:37.47 | michalxo | who did it? :-/ |
| 22:37.56 | vinsci | Bug reassigned from package 'base' to 'gnome'. Request was from Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:45:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available. |
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| 22:38.03 | michalxo | I had same problem/bug with ubuntu few years ago |
| 22:38.18 | Iridos | perhaps your keyboard is somewhat broken |
| 22:38.22 | michalxo | aaah nice! so it was moved :-) |
| 22:38.32 | michalxo | Iridos it happens just occasionally... |
| 22:38.48 | michalxo | just like ALT key got stuck :-/ (I am using MOD4 instead though) |
| 22:40.03 | Iridos | that's what can happen with loose contacts or hair cracks in the circuit board... |
| 22:41.08 | vinsci | or too much coke spilled on the keyboard :) |
| 22:41.30 | michalxo | no coke.. hair possible hmm |
| 22:41.35 | michalxo | but |
| 22:41.37 | Iridos | I'd have rated that as more permanent :-P ... but yes, it might |
| 22:42.04 | michalxo | when I go to TTY1-6 and back to graphical, all is ok... apart from tty-text |
| 22:42.20 | Iridos | you could check with ... dunno, xev, if the machine really thinks alt is pressed |
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| 22:42.44 | michalxo | nope, xev is cool |
| 22:43.00 | vinsci | michalxo, in the console, if you run the reset command, does that help? |
| 22:43.19 | Iridos | well, he can't if he's not logged in yet |
| 22:43.36 | michalxo | reset command... altgr+sysrq+k? |
| 22:43.45 | michalxo | I was logged.. hopefully :) |
| 22:43.47 | jhutchins_lt | I wore the F2 key out on my last laptop. Only way to press it was to pull off the keycap and stick something into the shaft. |
| 22:43.57 | vinsci | no, there's a separate program called reset that just resets the console mode |
| 22:44.17 | michalxo | I can't write there though :-( |
| 22:44.21 | vinsci | keep a session logged in, so you have it handy in advance next time, then try it out |
| 22:44.35 | michalxo | everything is OK, until ME (as user) log in /put my name in |
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| 22:45.20 | Pyista42 | thewanderer1: 2.6.35 is the kernel |
| 22:45.33 | vinsci | michalxo, do you have an .xdefaults, .xsession or similar? (I forget what they are called) |
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| 22:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:45.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | Pyista42: You could try a Debian kernel. |
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| 22:46.02 | Pyista42 | for a vps why do they offer 32 bit and 64 bit? |
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| 22:46.28 | Iridos | why shouldn't they? |
| 22:47.01 | Pyista42 | i mean whats the advantage of having a 64 bit one? |
| 22:47.25 | Iridos | native addressing > 3.5GB, iirc |
| 22:47.30 | Iridos | ram, that is |
| 22:47.42 | Iridos | bigger registers... |
| 22:48.45 | Iridos | possibly faster integer math ... well, larger numbers in larger registers |
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| 23:02.12 | ondrejk | hi, ive been used to arch linux, now im running squeeze and thinking about sid, how "stable" is it? |
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| 23:02.35 | ondrejk | i dont want to solve problems related to upgrade every week ... |
| 23:04.04 | Iridos | well, it's called "unstable"... what do YOU think? |
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| 23:04.29 | Iridos | !unstable |
| 23:04.29 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 23:04.30 | ondrejk | Iridos: i know, i just wanted to ask some sid user how usable it is |
| 23:04.42 | nevyn | and it's named for the kid in toystory that breaks all his toys |
| 23:04.54 | Iridos | tortures them, really :) |
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| 23:05.38 | ondrejk | well, i just wanted to know if it's usable for everyday work |
| 23:06.04 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: Not suitible. |
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| 23:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: Unless your everyday work is finding and fixing bugs in Linux software... |
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| 23:07.03 | icebrain | works fine here, although you might have some bugs. |
| 23:07.33 | ondrejk | icebrain: for example? can it break whole system? |
| 23:07.46 | ondrejk | or it's just "cosmetic" bugs? |
| 23:07.58 | jhutchins_lt | You WILL have bugs, packages that are broken are released into sid all the time in order to find and fix the bugs. |
| 23:08.00 | Iridos | did you read the factoid? |
| 23:08.02 | icebrain | ondrejk: possibly, but nothing in the last year |
| 23:08.12 | icebrain | but some packages do break |
| 23:08.17 | ondrejk | Iridos: factoid? |
| 23:08.27 | Iridos | there's some nice famous ones involving glibc or the boot process |
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| 23:08.31 | Iridos | what dpkg said |
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| 23:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | icebrain: That's probably because of the squeeze freeze ,but it's not the way to bet. It's OK for advanced users who know how to roll back an update but it's not appropriate for regular users. |
| 23:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | icebrain: ... and please don't tell people it is unless you're willing to be their 24/7 support. |
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| 23:09.42 | icebrain | jhutchins_lt: I simply said the facts, I haven't recommended anything |
| 23:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | icebrain: Just because you can't find the bug doesn't mean it's not there. |
| 23:10.33 | ondrejk | jhutchins_lt: i know in sid will be bugs, i just wanted to know how bad they are usually |
| 23:10.45 | icebrain | jhutchins_lt: that's why I said "works fine _here_" |
| 23:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: Hard to tell. Squeeze bugs have recently made systems unable to use the GUI. |
| 23:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: They can be minor, the problem is that it's ok for sid to have bugs that destroy data. |
| 23:11.32 | ondrejk | jhutchins_lt: that could be problem for me |
| 23:11.51 | ondrejk | missing gui it's not a problem, im 99% time in screen |
| 23:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: Debian's stability and reliablity are some of it's best advantages, but to get their benefit you need to run stable, |
| 23:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | ondrejk: Unless you're comfortable running stable and are familiar enough to get newer packages you need installed by backporting them you're really not ready to work on the testing team. |
| 23:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | ...which is what you're doing if you're not running stable. |
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| 23:13.10 | Iridos | also mind that the current state is not typical... squeeze is frozen to become stable |
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| 23:13.24 | Iridos | and sid doesn't get as many updates because of that either |
| 23:13.41 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: oh really? not sure I understand... so if anyone runs testing, they have a job? |
| 23:13.47 | ondrejk | im running squeeze for about ... half of a year, maybe more |
| 23:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Right. Many don't do the job, but they should. |
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| 23:14.03 | kj4 | squeeze runs fine for me |
| 23:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | kj4: Yes, runs fine for many testers. |
| 23:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | kj4: Crashes horribly for others. |
| 23:14.40 | nsadmin | but that's based on a limited viewpoint that only testers should run (!stable) |
| 23:14.46 | kj4 | jhutchins_lt: probably depends a lot on the hardware? |
| 23:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | Squeeze crashes generally don't destroy data; restore your checkpoint and go on. |
| 23:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | kj4: Hardware and package selection, sure. |
| 23:15.12 | tbsaunde | jhutchins_lt: but afaik horrible crashes are rare |
| 23:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | tbsaunde: Um. Not recently. Just some people never manage to trigger them. |
| 23:15.36 | kj4 | jhutchins_lt: gotcha- runs without any issue on my laptop (xfce, virtualbox, chromium) |
| 23:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | This is called an "argument from ignorance" - because you have not experienced it does not have any bearing on whether the problem exists. it's irrelevant, really, just means you won't know how to fix it. |
| 23:16.33 | tbsaunde | jhutchins_lt: yes, but you also spend a lot of time here, so just looking at that isn't a great sample, not that there is a good one |
| 23:16.48 | nsadmin | once you expand that to "since it's available for download, anyone can use it" and "dfsg guidelines #6 says no discrimination due to field of endeavor", more than what you're trying to restrict to is possible. |
| 23:17.14 | jhutchins_lt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance |
| 23:17.15 | Iridos | kj4, I had several kernel panics a day until I figured out what caused them 3 weeks ago... |
| 23:17.27 | Iridos | sqeeze, not unstable, mind you |
| 23:17.35 | kj4 | jhutchins_lt: i really wasnt arguing- i don't doubt what you have said at all, i'm simply offering my personal experience on a particular machine |
| 23:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | Oh I don't want to restrict who can test it - I just don't want people to think it's stable and suitible for production. |
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| 23:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | ...just because someone hasn't found the bugs yet. |
| 23:18.22 | jhutchins_lt | We know the bugs are there. |
| 23:19.00 | nsadmin | but that's not what you said originally :) if you want to add that as a separate part, that's fine... but saying that running !stable is necessarily working for a team, is a completely different statement |
| 23:19.03 | inetd50 | do you guys have any issues with firefox sound? (like after sometime when you play flash video sound crackles) |
| 23:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | The critical bugs graph is a good way to see whether it's "ready" |
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| 23:19.30 | tbsaunde | jhutchins_lt: yes, I probably wouldn't run testing on a server, and definitely wouldn't run unstable, but my personal laptop is a bit different |
| 23:19.32 | nsadmin | inetd50: do you have issue with firefox sound? |
| 23:19.33 | richo | Is there an apt repo with Python 2.7 in it? |
| 23:19.36 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: It's flash, not firefox, there are known bugs. |
| 23:19.41 | richo | I can't seem to find it anywhere, not in sid or experimental ? |
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| 23:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | tbsaunde: As an alternate boot partition is different. On a spare you can do without is different. If you have snapshot backups to fall back to is different. |
| 23:20.20 | richo | nvm |
| 23:20.21 | richo | I'm a moron |
| 23:20.47 | inetd50 | nsadmin: well its not firefox itself..its when i play flash |
| 23:21.07 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: 32 or 64? |
| 23:21.37 | tbsaunde | jhutchins_lt: yes, the point was we shouldn't advise everybody like they're running a server, but we shouldn't tell everyone to testing is fine either |
| 23:21.43 | nsadmin | flash combined with not so much mem available is a big iceweasel crasher |
| 23:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | tbsaunde: We should recommend that people run stable untill they're familiar with how to fix problems in Debian, and run testing if they want to help refine it and have the necessary skills. |
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| 23:23.21 | inetd50 | jhutchins_lt: 32 |
| 23:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: Lenny? No pulseaudio? |
| 23:23.57 | nsadmin | does squeeze use sysvinit or upstart? |
| 23:23.59 | arcsky | i did "ip -6 addr flush dev eth1" how can i get an link-local address in another way then take the interface down/up ? |
| 23:24.09 | inetd50 | jhutchins_lt: squeeze and no pulse |
| 23:24.17 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: sysvnit |
| 23:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | which chipset? |
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| 23:24.33 | inetd50 | jhutchins_lt: hda intel |
| 23:24.34 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: you might be able to use upstart if you want, but I'm not sure why you would |
| 23:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: Got the same one and no current problems, you're fully updated? |
| 23:25.13 | nsadmin | well upstart would require packages with daemons to code their start/stop script differently |
| 23:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | upstart also works much better on newer hardware than old. |
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| 23:25.51 | inetd50 | jhutchins_lt: symptoms doesnt show up always.. it happens when i run firefox for sometime...and then start playing some flash |
| 23:25.56 | nsadmin | what's one example that suggests why that is? |
| 23:26.04 | inetd50 | jhutchins_lt: initially when firefox starts flash works ok |
| 23:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: It may depend on the particular flash videos. |
| 23:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | inetd50: Is this a laptop? |
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| 23:27.25 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: well, I'm not sure what to tell you, but upstart appears to be in the repo so... |
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| 23:27.57 | angel-tsankov | hi, there |
| 23:28.01 | angel-tsankov | anyone using pidgin? |
| 23:28.27 | themill | ,popcon pidgin |
| 23:28.27 | judd | Popcon data for pidgin: inst: 24646, vote: 5387, old: 10643, recent: 8613, nofiles: 3 |
| 23:28.32 | themill | angel-tsankov: ^^ looks like it. |
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| 23:29.05 | angel-tsankov | themill: why cannot I connect ot ICQ servers |
| 23:29.49 | themill | No idea. I neither use pidgin nor icq. But at least we now know what your real question is. Did ICQ change its protocol again? |
| 23:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: what version are you using (or trying to use)? |
| 23:30.09 | angel-tsankov | may be yes, may be no |
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| 23:30.26 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: it's 2.4.3 |
| 23:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions pidgin |
| 23:30.39 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.7-1 |
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| 23:31.05 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Try the one for backports. I know it solves an AOL problem. |
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| 23:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell angel-tsankov about bdo |
| 23:31.30 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: where do I get this from |
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| 23:31.41 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: See msg from dpkg. |
| 23:32.02 | angel-tsankov | ok, thanks |
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| 23:34.49 | arcsky | if i change something in /etc/sysctl.conf do i have to reboot ? |
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| 23:35.30 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: What did you change? |
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| 23:38.24 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: uncomment "#" for IPV6 forwarding |
| 23:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: Well, you'll need to make some other changes as well, but you can enable forwarding without rebooting. |
| 23:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/ |
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| 23:43.56 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: tthanks ye i know |
| 23:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: Once you echo 1 to the forwarding control file it's enabled, that's what the sysctl file does. |
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| 23:45.54 | dirk` | hey there, can someone please explain this to me? https://p.0x7be.de/i90mf416v/plain |
| 23:46.38 | petemc | thats a dubious looking url |
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| 23:48.01 | dirk` | petemc: its my birth year in hex and the current date in base64 |
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| 23:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | dirk`: What's your question? |
| 23:49.19 | dirk` | jhutchins: i just wanna know why are not all open ports are shown |
| 23:49.32 | dirk` | i remember, that i worked like this a few weeks ago |
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| 23:50.39 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps the ports you think are open aren't. |
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| 23:51.37 | dirk` | jhutchins_lt: i can connect through the port, but it's not shown in nmap |
| 23:51.41 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, it should show 2211 shouldn't it? |
| 23:52.06 | dirk` | when using nmap -p1024-5000 it shows the open port |
| 23:52.20 | dirk` | but i remember that it shows the ports a few weeks ago without defining a port range |
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| 23:54.32 | dirk` | well, anyway, the ports are shown when defining a port range, so i did not went crazy :) |
| 23:54.41 | dirk` | cyall :) |
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