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| 00:26.22 | xixor | Howdy everyone. I am going to install Debian on a Core2Duo processor, but would like to use a 64-bit kernel, should I go with the i386, or ia64 installation? |
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| 00:26.41 | stew | xixor: amd64 |
| 00:27.01 | stew | xixor: or i386, but not ia64, ia64 is something completely different (itanium2) |
| 00:27.24 | xixor | I have been googling around, but the definition seems ambiguous, http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/ia64.htm |
| 00:27.42 | stew | !ia64 |
| 00:27.42 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 00:27.49 | Sort_-R | What is the "local" init script file executed at shutdown, is it rc.local.stop ? |
| 00:27.57 | xixor | cool |
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| 00:29.55 | darkkrai | anyone know how to fix sound in squeeze? I'm using amd64... http://pastehtml.com/view/1c534lp.html is my specifications in html format |
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| 00:31.30 | dondelelcaro | darkkrai: the driver looks to be loaded; what's the problem? |
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| 00:31.43 | darkkrai | sound doesn't work at all. |
| 00:31.50 | darkkrai | i have everything on full volume |
| 00:31.53 | darkkrai | but nothing... |
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| 00:33.49 | darkkrai | any ideas? |
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| 00:34.21 | username17 | Can I just say, Debian rocks! I won't say what other distro I've been using, but ignorance is NOT bliss. Apt-get is just awesome! |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 00:34.22 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 00:34.33 | darkkrai | thanks |
| 00:34.36 | morlenxus | Hello everyone. I have problems getting kvm to work with debian squeeze and recent kernel+kvm patches |
| 00:34.43 | morlenxus | kvm[2027]: segfault at ffffff8c ip 00000000f7299047 sp 00000000f652918c error 6 in libc-2.11.2.so[f71d5000+140000] |
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| 00:40.45 | blink | jhutchins_lt: how do I accept packets for it then? |
| 00:41.26 | blink | as far as I can tell, the 94.23.153.x address responds to ping, ssh |
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| 00:50.56 | Mupo | o m g |
| 00:51.08 | KiT | a uuu |
| 00:51.18 | xixor | so, going to install a minimal debian system on a 30gb ssd for a little server. No X11, no dev libraries |
| 00:51.19 | Pyista42 | any of you use nginx? i installed it but it does not start by default. unlike apache and lighttpd, just curious why |
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| 00:52.03 | fenugreek | dpkg -L nginx, see if it has an init script you can start |
| 00:52.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching nginx, see if it has an init script you can start |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | or look in /etc/default/ to see if there's a file that controls it |
| 00:54.29 | blahdeblah | username17: preach it! :-) |
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| 00:57.02 | Pyista42 | fenugreek: just curious why it did not do it by default |
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| 01:00.00 | fenugreek | Pyista42: probably because whichever dev was responsible for it thought most users wouldn't want it to |
| 01:00.18 | fenugreek | but your system could also be less than perfectly stable, or the dev could be less than perfect, etc. |
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| 01:00.28 | latenite | Hi folks, I have a ftp server (vsftp) running. Now I am lookng for a webfrontend for ftp servers. Can anyone recommend one? all I found was http://sourceforge.net/projects/wbftp/ which realy is not very advanced. Thank for any tips :) |
| 01:00.43 | fenugreek | nginx caters more to the sort of users who might not like automagick |
| 01:00.46 | fenugreek | IMO |
| 01:00.58 | Pyista42 | ah |
| 01:01.05 | Pyista42 | starts fine using normal debian conventions |
| 01:01.07 | fenugreek | latenite: might see if webmin has one |
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| 01:02.09 | latenite | fenugreek, nahh I want to sutomis its css to my wishes. I feel webmin is a litte to overloaded for that... |
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| 01:02.40 | darkkrai | using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav as root offers no output :/ |
| 01:02.57 | fenugreek | well if you're going to invest time in it, you may as well at least look for an _sftp_ webUI |
| 01:03.24 | darkkrai | oh |
| 01:03.26 | darkkrai | it works |
| 01:03.39 | darkkrai | works as normal user as well |
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| 01:06.24 | darkkrai | works now :D |
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| 01:15.26 | Ferris- | hola o/ anyone have a favorite software to manage their server? (visual, sort of vnc thing) and can i make debian run it so i can log in while i'm not logged into the computer... then log in remotely? |
| 01:16.57 | nevyn | ssh |
| 01:17.04 | nevyn | and X11 forwarding. |
| 01:18.26 | cusco | ssh alone :p |
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| 01:20.48 | Ferris- | thanks, nev & cusco |
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| 01:21.47 | cusco | Ferris-: but yea, for visual ssh with X forwarding allows you to open graphical stuff |
| 01:21.54 | Ferris- | sorta... I tried to SSH into this machine and couldnt... It doesnt have a screen, so i'm trying to arrange a way to connect to it and use it remotely without having to log in first (so i can turn it off, carry it to somewhere that has ethernet, then use it) |
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| 01:22.28 | cusco | install openssh-server first |
| 01:22.42 | Ferris- | okay ^_^ |
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| 01:23.34 | Rockj | Q: is it possible to make find only show the last part of it's "path"? like using find / will list the whole path up to the file/directory. I'm only interessted in the last part. Ex: find /downloads -maxdepth 1 , I'm not interested in having /downloads in the output. |
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| 01:24.28 | nevyn | cd /downloads find . -maxdepth 1 should do it |
| 01:24.42 | Rockj | so I have to cd the directory? |
| 01:24.50 | Rockj | ok, gotto make my script do that then. |
| 01:25.54 | xixor | so the default in a debian install is ext3fs? |
| 01:26.10 | nevyn | check first.. but it might be easier than finding the option to find to strip the first element of the directory |
| 01:26.17 | Ferris- | sigh... Do i need to gain administrator/root access? sudo and using my password tells me i dont have permissions for that |
| 01:26.41 | nevyn | you need root acess to do this. |
| 01:26.55 | nevyn | Ferris-: to do what? |
| 01:27.09 | cusco | Rockj: easier to cd the dir, but can also use basename |
| 01:27.19 | nevyn | Ferris-: so install sudo (as root) and use visudo to edit sudoers. |
| 01:27.38 | Rockj | cusco: hm, what is basename? man find doesn't mention it |
| 01:27.54 | Rockj | ohhh |
| 01:27.56 | Rockj | nvm ;) |
| 01:28.02 | cusco | err... |
| 01:28.03 | cusco | ok |
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| 01:34.22 | norbert_ | I'm trying to get recordmydesktop to record audio |
| 01:34.48 | norbert_ | arecord -l shows me ICH5 0, 1, 2 and 3 |
| 01:35.01 | norbert_ | I tried all of those as -device (plug)hw:ICH5,x |
| 01:35.29 | norbert_ | and apparently 0 and 3 record the microphone and 1 and 2 either nothing or line in |
| 01:35.52 | norbert_ | I want to record the audio on the desktop, so the out port |
| 01:36.31 | norbert_ | I could put a -===- from the out to the line in, but I'm trying to figure out how to record without that nonsense |
| 01:37.03 | norbert_ | I haven't been able to find an answer via Google |
| 01:37.45 | norbert_ | by the way, it's amazing that Google still lists experts-exchange in the top 10 results all the time |
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| 01:42.47 | kainus | people, sorry for bothering... but i need to know how to use the "amixer" command to set the second of this (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/298318/) two cards as ACTIVE.... |
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| 01:43.49 | kainus | i was reading a lot on internet, lear how to install the modules, how to use hwinfo and stuff but just cant switch between cards... |
| 01:44.13 | mklappstuhl | how can i get information about a partition of a disk (formatting etc...) |
| 01:44.56 | shnurapet | Hello. Who uses Debian on ARM processors, could you, please, share your thoughts? What packages do you miss? How is it in general? |
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| 01:45.18 | kainus | mklappstuhl> fdisk -l is a good way to start... |
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| 01:48.59 | stew | Rockj: look at -printf argument to find, you might want "-printf '%f\n'" for instance |
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| 01:50.31 | Rockj | stew: I ended up using basename. find files in (find ...), then adding another helper variable which pushes basename $files . I just have one problem with that current solution, it lists the root dir too in the "find /root_dir" results |
| 01:50.58 | stew | Rockj: add -mindepth 1 or -type f |
| 01:51.19 | tyebud_ | Hello debian! I am looking for a good place to start researching automate installations. Any recommendations? |
| 01:51.31 | tyebud_ | automated* |
| 01:51.49 | Rockj | stew: -mindepth 1 doesn't help, and I'm interessted in both -type f and d |
| 01:52.12 | stew | Rockj: -mindepth 1 is what you want then |
| 01:52.56 | stew | Rockj: it seems like you want "find /somedir -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -printf '%f\n'" |
| 01:53.09 | Rockj | nvm, my fault |
| 01:53.14 | Rockj | -mindepth 1 did the trick. |
| 01:53.47 | Rockj | using -printf '%f\n' probably deals with me not having to use IFS=$'\n' ? |
| 01:53.53 | Rockj | guess their doing the same? |
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| 01:54.30 | stew | no, they aren't, but I'm not sure how your are consuming the output |
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| 01:55.05 | Rockj | stew: I'll share the script in a sec, give me a min. |
| 01:56.57 | Rockj | stew: https://gist.github.com/152f73bd1b18e3644056 |
| 01:57.13 | Rockj | stew: of course the script could probably be better in many ways, but this one does what I need :-) |
| 01:57.33 | Rockj | btw, would it work to add source /home/sys/etc/crontab in /etc/crontab to have a system wide crontab? |
| 01:57.46 | Rockj | defined in /home/sys/etc/crontab ? |
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| 02:01.02 | stew | Rockj: 'source' would not work for a crontab, instead add a file to /etc/cron.d perhaps |
| 02:01.22 | Rockj | stew: /etc/cron.d doesn't bring the user field to run the crontab as :-( |
| 02:01.26 | Rockj | afaik |
| 02:01.34 | stew | Rockj: it does |
| 02:02.02 | mklappstuhl | kainus: but fdisk doesnt show partition scheme |
| 02:02.52 | mklappstuhl | (or am i wrong) |
| 02:03.11 | mklappstuhl | i need to know if a partition is ext3 ext4 whatever |
| 02:03.28 | Rockj | stew: my fault, even the /etc/crontab file says it in comments. doh. |
| 02:03.57 | Rockj | symlinking /home/sys/etc/crontab to /etc/cron.d/sys :) |
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| 02:04.00 | stew | mklappstuhl: ext3 or ext4 is not a partition type, it is a filesystem type (which might be on a partition) |
| 02:04.30 | stew | mklappstuhl: if you have partitions like /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2, you might try "file -s /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2" |
| 02:05.41 | mklappstuhl | thank you, i'll try to remember |
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| 02:07.13 | Pyista42 | I need ruby 1.9 in debian and something newer then 1.9.0 |
| 02:07.17 | Pyista42 | how should i go about this? |
| 02:07.32 | daveb_ | hello #debian |
| 02:07.42 | Roasted | Is there a way to verify the integrity of the debian cd I burned like ubuntu does? I burned at slowest speed, but this debian CD for my PPC Mac keeps hanging at 52% during the partitioner.... :( |
| 02:08.07 | shane4ubuntu | ok, from Ubuntu I chroot into my debian (new install) with this script: http://pastebin.com/FJF37Fgm |
| 02:08.07 | shane4ubuntu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.39 | Pyista42 | anyone? |
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| 02:10.26 | Rockj | Pyista42: ruby1.9 is already in debian lenny. (stable) |
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| 02:11.49 | stew | Pyista42: install ruby1.9.1 from backports: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 02:11.53 | stew | Pyista42: assuming you are on stable |
| 02:12.12 | stew | shane4ubuntu: you might look at schroot, which can do things like automatically mount stuff for you |
| 02:12.16 | stew | (and umount) |
| 02:12.16 | Rockj | oh, he said newer then 1.9.0, my fault |
| 02:12.25 | Rockj | anyway, time to sleep. nn guys :-) |
| 02:12.50 | shane4ubuntu | stew: and not use my well tested, trusted handwritten script??? :) |
| 02:13.00 | shane4ubuntu | stew: I will check into it thanks!! |
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| 02:14.56 | shane4ubuntu | stew: actually I think the problem was caused by somehow my fstab that I wrote having an error, and I don't feel like rebooting to see if my new fstab fixed that. |
| 02:15.29 | username17 | !sql |
| 02:15.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, sql is Structured Query Language. This is a type of relational database that features data in rows and columns. Each row represents a record. Each column is a field. Most serious database solutions today use some form of SQL to store and access large quantities of data quickly and reliably. http://www.arsdigita.com/books/sql/ |
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| 02:16.26 | abrotman | username17: please msg the bot |
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| 02:23.39 | f8l | Hello. I just rebooted after a really strange swap hell. After I mved about 700000 files to my external disk, my system started to swap wildly. Even simple `free -m` in console took about a minute to execute. |
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| 02:25.24 | f8l | I thought: "Well, probably the mv command keeps all the inode numbers to delete after copying.", but it didn't stop to swap even after mv exited. |
| 02:26.32 | chrisb | f8l: at one time, i seem to remember mv not working across filesystems at all |
| 02:26.40 | macrobat | so, memory was needed to keep track of the transmission? |
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| 02:27.04 | f8l | What I noticed was quite high (about 80%) share of "buffers" (as reported by free) in used memory. Is it normal? |
| 02:27.43 | f8l | chrisb: What do you mean? |
| 02:28.38 | f8l | macrobat: No. The external disk spun down shortly after copying, and while mv was removing files from source disk. |
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| 02:32.11 | chrisb | f8l: from info |
| 02:32.23 | chrisb | f8l: Prior to version `4.0' of the fileutils, `mv' could move only regular files between file systems. |
| 02:32.43 | chrisb | f8l: it couldn't move directory structures |
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| 02:34.16 | stew | and that was what? 10-15 years ago? |
| 02:35.21 | f8l | chrisb: I run a recent system. I don't think this is the reason. |
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| 02:36.10 | omgdebian | hey guys.. if i block internap.com on my server will i still be able to update from an alternative repo? |
| 02:36.28 | neil_d | Hi, I have three mdadm raid 1 partitions, whenever I boot /dev/md0 comes up degraded [U_] :( .... everything seems ok in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ... when I manually readd the parittion is works file.. how can I find out what is wrong? |
| 02:36.30 | f8l | I suspect some kind of memory leak, but do memory leaks last after termination of program causing it? |
| 02:36.47 | dandgoliath | omgdebian: hms? blocking incoming / outgoing, or both? |
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| 02:37.08 | omgdebian | well i dont want to have anything to do with internap |
| 02:37.12 | omgdebian | its way to slow |
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| 02:37.40 | stew | f8l: no, they don't |
| 02:38.00 | stew | f8l: and it is very unlikely you found a memory leak in mv |
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| 02:39.02 | f8l | stew: AFAIK mv does not do anything, but asks kernel to do the operation. Maybe it's a kernel issue? |
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| 02:40.06 | stew | f8l: i believe that mv will cache all the inodes it sees so it can preserve hardlinks, I'd guess that the mv operation was using a lot of ram, causing other stuff to swap, after mv terminated, you noticed stuff getting swapped back in |
| 02:40.26 | f8l | And by the way, it was an ext4 -> xfs move. |
| 02:40.34 | omgdebian | dandgoliath: so will my debian server still update if i remove internap, or is that the only choice in debian? |
| 02:41.05 | xixor | Yo, I have just installed debian, but the grub install didn't work, and I can't get it to boot, always OS not found error. I am trying to use the installer to re-run just the portion where it sets up grub, but I can't seem to find a way. The list of options in the installation is quite shorter than I remember, I thought there was a "make system bootable" selection that would just launch the grub installer again? |
| 02:41.10 | dandgoliath | omgdebian: tonnes of other choices, modify /etc/apt/sources.list and choose another |
| 02:41.14 | stew | omgdebian: no, internap is certainly not the only choice, but there is no way from your server that you can affect whether or not some packet going to a debian mirror would be routed over internap or not |
| 02:41.44 | stew | omgdebian: "/msg dpkg mirrors" to get a list of mirrors, or perhaps have a look at the netselect-apt or apt-spy packages which will test mirrors trying to find one that is fast from your machine |
| 02:42.25 | omgdebian | stew: my only issue is that internap is "ghetto" and i always get updates from it hehe |
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| 02:43.16 | stew | omgdebian: are you in denmark? |
| 02:43.34 | omgdebian | yes |
| 02:43.38 | stew | omgdebian: try ftp.dk.debian.org or ftp.nl.debian.org |
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| 02:43.59 | omgdebian | stew: i mean like apt-get update / update |
| 02:44.10 | omgdebian | i dont want any packages from internap hehe |
| 02:44.51 | stew | omgdebian: yes, use ftp.dk.debian.org or ftp.nl.debian.org in your sources.list (which is used by apt-get update) |
| 02:44.59 | f8l | stew: I waited very long, and the system didn't return to normal operation. I was running only X, xfce with some applets, and an IRC client â stuff that usually takes up to 300M RAM. I have 1G and still after about half an hour after mv termination, memory was reported to be all used, with 100M for programs, 800M for buffers, 50M for cache, and 300M of swap was used. These values oscillated over time as |
| 02:45.00 | f8l | various programmes were swapped in and out, despite they could easily fit in RAM alone. |
| 02:45.06 | omgdebian | i can get like 500MB down from others in no time... 5mb in interna would take 15 mins |
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| 02:45.16 | omgdebian | hehe ok |
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| 02:45.41 | stew | omgdebian: when you say "from internap" do you mean that the packets come from some other server but are routed over internap's backbone? or that you are actually using internap in your sources.list? |
| 02:46.12 | omgdebian | so replace http://ftp-mirror.internap.com stable Release etc with ftp.dk.debian.org stable Release ? |
| 02:46.42 | stew | omgdebian: replace it with http://ftp.dk.debian.org |
| 02:46.48 | stew | omgdebian: but you should not use "stable" |
| 02:47.11 | omgdebian | ah just making sure it wouldnt break anything hehe |
| 02:47.14 | stew | omgdebian: if you are on lenny (the current stable) use "lenny". you should never use "stable" in sources.list fora debian mirror |
| 02:47.28 | stew | yes, using stable will eventually break stuff (when squeeze becomes stable) |
| 02:47.33 | omgdebian | hehe its a default install on a vps |
| 02:47.50 | stew | omgdebian: tell the administrator who installed it that way that it is a bad idea |
| 02:48.47 | omgdebian | i installed it |
| 02:48.58 | omgdebian | but didnt touch sources hehe |
| 02:49.36 | omgdebian | i guess its setup in their image tho |
| 02:50.06 | omgdebian | so i replace "stable main" "lenny main" ? |
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| 02:52.40 | omgdebian | just to be 100% sure |
| 02:52.42 | omgdebian | http://pastebin.com/XXicE7r2 |
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| 02:53.22 | omgdebian | forgot 1 stable tho lol |
| 02:53.40 | f8l | What does "buffers" column in "free" command mean? |
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| 02:54.28 | magyar | hi, is there a way to download images from Iphone with squeeze? |
| 02:54.39 | Cullz | hi. I put debian stable i386 on a laptop with lxde, then added xfce and gnome |
| 02:55.10 | Cullz | it's two partitions with xp on other one, can't cross - access file systems, although all boot and work |
| 02:55.28 | Cullz | also can't seem to put kde on |
| 02:56.06 | omgdebian | stew: thanks, it works.. fast as lightning too |
| 02:56.15 | dondelelcaro | magyar: I'm not certain, but you can try ifuse et al. |
| 02:56.39 | omgdebian | Fetched 15.2MB in 8s (1785kB/s) |
| 02:56.41 | nsadmin | Cullz so, you're saying your debian boots? |
| 02:56.49 | f8l | !tell Cullz about ntfs-3g |
| 02:56.50 | omgdebian | internap was on like 5kb/s |
| 02:57.15 | Cullz | looking at http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 02:57.20 | Cullz | yes, debian boots and works |
| 02:57.30 | Cullz | sees other partition also but wont read it |
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| 02:57.43 | magyar | dondelelcaro: my is jailbroken |
| 02:58.00 | f8l | Cullz: I've heard that there is an application for Windows that enables you to read ext filesystem from it, but I never needed to do so, thus I don't remember the name. |
| 02:58.19 | dondelelcaro | magyar: shouldn't matter |
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| 02:58.25 | f8l | Cullz: You may want to check permissions and mount options. |
| 02:58.26 | Cullz | debian wont read windows partition either, which is more critical |
| 02:58.33 | Cullz | ok |
| 02:58.38 | dondelelcaro | Cullz: Debian can read ntfs partitions just fine |
| 02:59.01 | dondelelcaro | magyar: though if it's jailbroken, it may be able to become a usb mass storage filesystem; that's not really something that's on topic for #debian, though |
| 02:59.06 | magyar | dondelelcaro: nothing it doesn't work, dmesg is not showing anything |
| 02:59.19 | dondelelcaro | magyar: ##iphone can probably help you more |
| 02:59.24 | magyar | dondelelcaro: got you |
| 02:59.27 | magyar | thanks |
| 02:59.29 | dondelelcaro | magyar: np |
| 02:59.38 | Cullz | ok, do I need to add ntfs drivers manually |
| 02:59.49 | dondelelcaro | Cullz: no |
| 03:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Cullz: the read-only ntfs drivers are already built, and get loaded when you try to mount an ntfs partition |
| 03:00.47 | Cullz | ok, so I need to setup permissions and mount options |
| 03:00.56 | Cullz | then can it write to other filesystem? |
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| 03:03.57 | dondelelcaro | Cullz: can what write to other filesystems? |
| 03:04.11 | Cullz | debian |
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| 03:04.56 | Cullz | trying to use debian to read/write windows partition on same hdd in laptop |
| 03:05.21 | neil_d | Hi, I have three mdadm raid 1 partitions, whenever I boot /dev/md0 comes up degraded [U_] :( .... everything seems ok in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ... when I manually readd the parittion is works file.. how can I find out what is wrong? |
| 03:05.33 | Pyista42 | stew: I need ruby 1.9.2 |
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| 03:05.55 | Sazpaimon_ | how do i filter iwlist output by stuff like encryption type |
| 03:07.54 | stew | Pyista42: look at the package description of the ruby1.9.1 package |
| 03:08.35 | Pyista42 | how? |
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| 03:09.21 | stew | Pyista42: apt-cache show ruby1.9.1 ; or perhaps http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/ruby1.9.1 |
| 03:09.33 | Pyista42 | ah |
| 03:09.38 | Pyista42 | so its really 1.9.2? |
| 03:09.42 | stew | yes |
| 03:09.48 | Pyista42 | why is it mis numbered like that? |
| 03:09.54 | f8l | Cullz: I use ntfs-3g to mount ntfs partitions read/write. Did you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 03:10.32 | Pyista42 | never had to use backports do i have to add something to the sources.list stew? |
| 03:10.33 | stew | Pyista42: from the package description "In the name of this package, `1.9.1' indicates the Ruby library compatibility version. This package currently provides the `1.9.2' branch of Ruby, which is compatible with the `1.9.1' branch." |
| 03:10.44 | Cullz | !tell Cullz about ntfs-3g |
| 03:10.52 | stew | Pyista42: yes, /msg dpkg bdo |
| 03:11.42 | Cullz | f8l, thanks, yes |
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| 04:03.59 | xixor | Yo, I am trying to get my system to boot with grub. /dev/sda1 is the root partition, /boot/grub/menu.lst has root (hd1,0), is that right for sda1? |
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| 04:05.44 | un214 | usu. but bios might have a different order |
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| 04:06.24 | Penix | xixor: (hd0,0) |
| 04:08.30 | xixor | I am getting a grub "Error 2", which I believe means the chosen disk does not exist |
| 04:09.27 | xixor | so, I modify the menu.lst file, and then grub-install /dev/sda, correct? |
| 04:10.13 | xixor | dang, error 2 again |
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| 04:31.00 | tnks | haven't a hard time figuring out how to mount a Kindle with Debian. |
| 04:31.10 | tnks | surely this has been done. |
| 04:31.44 | tnks | udev isn't showing a device even when I plug it up (USB). |
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| 04:42.16 | megana | Hi #Debian |
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| 05:14.28 | Pyista42 | hmm i need a newer sqlite 3 that is in backports ......but when i install i just get the lenny version |
| 05:14.34 | Pyista42 | how do i get the bacports version instead? |
| 05:14.37 | Pyista42 | or upgrade to it ? |
| 05:14.54 | megana | did you type the secret code? |
| 05:15.34 | megana | pyista42 |
| 05:15.52 | megana | apt-get -t lenny-backports install bleh |
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| 05:44.21 | walterheck | i'm trying to automate a package install. I put a file in /etc/dbconfig-common/ that I want it to use, but when I install the package it tells me http://pastebin.com/4zq8UVZP . Obviously I don't want it to ask me that question. What to do? |
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| 05:52.19 | xixor | it seems that when I have a usb key plugged into my system when I boot, the hard drive I installed to becomes /dev/sdb, and when I don't have the usb key inserted, the hard drive is /dev/sda, this is driving me crazy |
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| 05:56.35 | megana | Help debian |
| 05:56.40 | megana | I aptituded chromium |
| 05:56.45 | megana | but I can't find the binary |
| 05:57.01 | megana | where did you put it |
| 05:58.03 | shylent | you mean, the browser or what? |
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| 05:58.14 | megana | the browser |
| 05:58.23 | megana | I think the man page has shed some light |
| 05:58.24 | megana | since... |
| 05:58.29 | megana | I don't want a top down shooter |
| 05:58.45 | yoshio | megana, dpkg -L chromium -- this tells you what files were installed from the binary package |
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| 05:59.15 | megana | I removed it since it's the wrong package |
| 06:00.19 | megana | http://packages.debian.org/sid/chromium-browser I think I need this one |
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| 06:00.42 | yoshio | !chromium |
| 06:00.42 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium-browser in Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
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| 06:01.21 | megana | so what do I put in sources.lst to get chromium browser |
| 06:01.41 | megana | lenny? wtf I have lenny? :O |
| 06:01.50 | megana | how could you! |
| 06:02.08 | megana | is google chrome not in lenny? |
| 06:02.28 | shylent | is it Stable? XD |
| 06:02.30 | yoshio | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 06:02.31 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-2; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-2; experimental: 9.0.587.0~r66374-1 |
| 06:02.32 | shylent | I wouldn't think so |
| 06:02.59 | megana | well, I needs it. How do I get it in there without putting in squeeze repositories and blowing up my system? |
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| 06:03.33 | shylent | you don't need to blow up your system, you can give squeeze repo lower priority, than lenny |
| 06:03.45 | megana | how do you do that???????? |
| 06:03.57 | shylent | apt-pinning, I think its called |
| 06:04.07 | megana | :P |
| 06:04.16 | shylent | that's something you google for, unless there's a factoid for that :P |
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| 06:05.33 | yoshio | !pinning |
| 06:05.33 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 06:05.54 | dondelelcaro | generally speaking, if you're asking how to pin, you shouldn't be pinning. |
| 06:06.06 | yoshio | when I suggested pinning to someone, someone told me to get the factoid for bobbitt |
| 06:06.40 | megana | is it because I put contrib on the end? |
| 06:06.53 | yoshio | !tell megana about bobbitt |
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| 06:07.41 | Internat | howdy, is there a system/way to make aptitude/apt email about security errats that are relevant to the packages installed? |
| 06:08.51 | megana | I hope I did this right |
| 06:08.55 | megana | or else my system will blow up |
| 06:09.13 | yoshio | Internat, there is a package called apt-listchanges , but it only tells you new entries from the News and Changelog files |
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| 06:10.39 | shylent | dunno why it says that it won't help from messing up the system :/ I've briefly used a lenny+low-priority squeeze system and I didn't break anything |
| 06:11.02 | yoshio | megana NO - http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium |
| 06:11.02 | shylent | that system has been migrated to use squeeze exclusively though |
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| 06:11.14 | megana | lol wut yoshio |
| 06:11.36 | megana | thanks yoshio, but you came to the party kind of late :P |
| 06:12.14 | megana | #debian make it download faster! |
| 06:12.23 | shylent | did you already break your system then? |
| 06:12.32 | megana | it's downloading some libs |
| 06:13.09 | megana | what do I need libs for anyways |
| 06:13.29 | megana | it should just be one giant kernel with everything compiled in |
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| 06:19.08 | bombshell | Hello |
| 06:19.27 | bombshell | Does anyone knows the difference between a stock kernel and user built kernel |
| 06:19.46 | bombshell | Someone is using Debian and having issues |
| 06:19.56 | bombshell | He's not sure what I mean by a stock kernel |
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| 06:35.54 | HybridStorm | I have an issue with onboard raid and linux software raid. The motherboard on the server died and now the data is trapped on the drives. Is there anyway to recover it? |
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| 06:41.40 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: were you using linux software raid? or hardware raid? or someone else's raid? |
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| 06:42.49 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: I did not set this up but it looks like it was using the fakeraid on the motherboard and linux software raid on top of that. |
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| 06:43.05 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: ew. |
| 06:43.23 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: Yeah, my thoughts exactly. |
| 06:43.24 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: well, if it's just linux software raid, it's easy. Chuck the drives into a different machine, and then assemble them using mdadm |
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| 06:43.38 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: first though, I'd make images of all of the drives if at all possible |
| 06:43.50 | dondelelcaro | (just so you can go back in time) |
| 06:44.10 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: I think the issue is that I can't read the fakeraid since the drives are striped |
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| 06:45.51 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: you can read them to image them directly; you won't be able to get at the data, though |
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| 06:46.30 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I can image them no problem. My issue is I need to figure out how to get the data in a readable state. |
| 06:47.01 | dondelelcaro | HybridStorm: dmraid is what you use to configure fakeraid; assuming you have a compatible controller, that would probably work. You can also look directly at the drives to make sure they're actually fakeraid |
| 06:47.03 | Cityscape | Hello I've just installed Debian and I quite like it. But I have one question: How do I get my install to support for non-free multimedia codecs (Mp3, WMA, ACC, copy-protected DVD's)? On Ubuntu I install libdvdread4 (for DVD's) and ubuntu-restricted-extras (for everything else), does Debian have anything like that? |
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| 06:47.55 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: How can I tell? I believe they were setup using the bios utility of the old motherboard. |
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| 06:48.28 | Cityscape | Does anyone know of a good totourial or anything would help too. |
| 06:48.32 | dondelelcaro | Cityscape: we distribute libdvdread4, but most of the other things are in the debian-multimedia repository. /msg dpkg d-m |
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| 06:49.27 | das_coach | hi@all, i have a problem setting up debian as a router |
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| 06:49.51 | Cityscape | dondelelcaro: okay so what would I do to get support for all the different audio codecs? (like MP3, ACC, M4A etc.) |
| 06:50.03 | das_coach | the routes should be correct, so is there anything i have to do with netfilter/uptables? i'm totally new to this^^ (and no, the router doesn't have any internet access) |
| 06:50.19 | dondelelcaro | Cityscape: mp3 playing is already supported; other things depends on what you're trying to play |
| 06:50.32 | dondelelcaro | (and what with) |
| 06:50.35 | das_coach | *iptables |
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| 06:51.40 | dondelelcaro | das_coach: you'll have to give us more information about what you're trying to do and specifically the output of ip route; ip addr; for the devices in question. |
| 06:52.11 | HybridStorm | dondelelcaro: I guess I could order another one of the same motherboard but that has it's own issues. |
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| 06:52.52 | Cityscape | dondelelcaro: Mp3 playing is included in the default install? Okay, so for other codecs, will it prompt me to install? If a try to play a M4A file for example, will it prompt me to install the nessesary codec? |
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| 06:53.20 | xixor | so, I am having a hang up, "Waiting for root file system ... " upon boot up. Should I rebuild initrd or something? /etc/fstab is right, grub seems to be right, what else should I change? |
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| 06:56.41 | walterheck | i'm trying to automate a package install. I put a file in /etc/dbconfig-common/ that I want it to use, but when I install the package it tells me http://pastebin.com/4zq8UVZP . Obviously I don't want it to ask me that question. What to do? |
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| 06:57.29 | cafuego | walterheck: Moet debian de nieuwe file gebruiken? |
| 06:58.00 | walterheck | cafuego: yes, that's what I want |
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| 06:58.14 | cafuego | walterheck: apt-get -y install packagename |
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| 06:59.30 | walterheck | cafuego: doesn't that answer yes to teh question, which would make it use the package maintainer's version? |
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| 06:59.55 | walterheck | also, that will blindly answer yes to any other question that comes up |
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| 07:00.04 | cafuego | walterheck: Oh, you want it to NOT overwrite the file? |
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| 07:00.27 | cafuego | walterheck: ... and that's assuming you'tr using apt-get and not dpkg. |
| 07:00.39 | walterheck | yes, since I deliberately put that file there, as it has info in it that needs to be used |
| 07:00.49 | walterheck | using apt-get indeed |
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| 07:02.46 | vardomescro | how easy is it to bone my system if I start messing with exim4-config because I'd like to mail from command line? Any pointers? links? |
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| 07:05.48 | cafuego | walterheck: Will it still prompt if you add the -q flag? |
| 07:06.09 | walterheck | lemme check |
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| 07:06.45 | cantido | vardomescro: you can send mail from the command line without messing with exim |
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| 07:07.14 | cafuego | walterheck: How's about apt-get -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" |
| 07:07.31 | cafuego | walterheck: that should make it auto-use the older cfg file but still ask other stuff. |
| 07:08.09 | cafuego | can't remember what he got mr Puppet to use :-) |
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| 07:12.18 | vardomescro | cantido: 1) i run linux mint debian edition, and apolgize if this is why, but 2) sendmail and exim4 are not installed (exim4-conf is though, for deb packages) | Is it different for debian then? |
| 07:12.43 | cantido | vardomescro: sendmail should be a wrapper for exim |
| 07:14.16 | vardomescro | cantido: when I went to install sendmail, aptitude threatened to remove exim4-conf. |
| 07:14.58 | cantido | vardomescro: you don't need sendmail.. exim can emulate it |
| 07:15.19 | cafuego | vardomescro: Install exim4 or postfix and answer the few config questions - then you'll be good to go. |
| 07:15.36 | cafuego | vardomescro: You don't want the sendmail package. Ever. |
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| 07:15.49 | cafuego | vardomescro: Oh you've probably git exim4-light |
| 07:16.07 | walterheck | cafuego: --force-confold didn't work, it's still asking :( |
| 07:16.12 | vardomescro | cantido: cafuego: tyty. I shall. viva la debian. |
| 07:16.28 | cafuego | walterheck: and -q ? |
| 07:16.45 | walterheck | cafuego: haven't tried, this was my current attempt: apt-get install --no-install-recommends -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" zabbix-server-mysql |
| 07:17.13 | walterheck | restoring VM and trying again (what did people do before VirtualBox and the likes??) |
| 07:17.33 | cafuego | walterheck: xen or kvm and lvm snapshots. still do :-) |
| 07:18.02 | walterheck | cafuego: that's why I said "and the likes". I meant before vm's |
| 07:18.23 | cafuego | walterheck: before VMs we had chroots and vservers :-) |
| 07:18.32 | cafuego | walterheck: and sysadmins who could clean a box like no tomorrow. |
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| 07:22.36 | walterheck | cafuego: it's till asking me. This is _really_ annoying by now :( |
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| 07:23.00 | cafuego | walterheck: Ah hang on. |
| 07:23.06 | walterheck | # apt-get install --no-install-recommends -q -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" zabbix-server-mysql |
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| 07:24.44 | walterheck | on a possibly not completely unrelated sidenote: check line 20 of http://pastebin.com/3MrK636Y |
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| 07:25.35 | cafuego | that didn't ask you for the cfg file but just found a bug in the package. |
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| 07:32.17 | cafuego | walterheck: As far as I can tell "DPkg::Options::=--force-confold" should work fine. |
| 07:37.25 | walterheck | cafuego: is it maybe because of this specific file in /etc/dbconfig-common? i'm not even sure that what I'm doing is correct. I just want that g*dd$mn install to not ask me any questions about mysql config options. I create the db manually, and put the config file in place manually as well |
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| 07:46.46 | cafuego | walterheck: Well, I suspect that until it has answers to the dbconfig-common questions it'll keep prompting at each update |
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| 07:48.10 | walterheck | scratches his head. Wasted a full day on this and still no solution in sight :( |
| 07:48.39 | walterheck | cafuego: which doesn't mean i'm not grateful for your help. Au contraire ;) |
| 07:49.01 | cafuego | walterheck: Would a better solution be to install the package and then install a custom packages on top that modifies the cfg? |
| 07:49.56 | walterheck | well, dbconfig-common is asking me questions, and i'm trying to suppress those with a preseed to debconf-set-selections. no such luck so far though |
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| 07:53.15 | cafuego | walterheck: I need to run off and have crèpes though |
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| 07:57.45 | walterheck | enjoy! |
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| 07:58.55 | i5noc | \o/ |
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| 08:16.11 | sedulous | why does Evince lack an option for "print odd/even pages"? |
| 08:16.27 | sedulous | not everyone has a duplex printer |
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| 08:16.59 | sedulous | that's patch worthy, might try to dive into its source |
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| 08:23.39 | dondelelcaro | sedulous: uh... it does have an option to do that |
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| 08:41.19 | Mowee | Morning :) |
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| 08:42.21 | X-Raimo | hello what key usage should be in CA certificate and web-server certificate? |
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| 08:45.35 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 08:46.25 | proute | Hello, I use Debian Lenny with raccon for ipsec VPN. My Os is installed on VIA C7. sometimes (randomly) my box freeze... with a lot of traffic on VPN. This issue appears with kernel 2.6.26 and 2.6.29. Do you have any idea to fix this issue? |
| 08:46.27 | proute | thanks |
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| 08:59.42 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 08:59.50 | Bartzy | Why do I need to sync my log writes ? |
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| 09:03.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bartzy: context? |
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| 09:05.11 | Bartzy | Kamping_Kaiser: Web server logs, firewall logs |
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| 09:05.22 | Bartzy | Also, should I log accepted packets in the firewall log ? |
| 09:05.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bartzy: presumably so the entries make it to disk |
| 09:06.01 | Bartzy | Kamping_Kaiser: But it's only logs... I don't really care that they'll make it to disk a second before the server goes down |
| 09:06.22 | Bartzy | Also, those "sync"s are kernel write-cache ? not related to the hardware cache in the disk right ? |
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| 09:06.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bartzy: then you might not care. if its the system log which explains why your server went down the lsat few seconds might be priceless |
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| 09:07.14 | Bartzy | how can I change if it's sync or not ? |
| 09:07.21 | Bartzy | in syslog conf ? |
| 09:07.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't know. |
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| 09:07.39 | Bartzy | or for example my web server logs.. that's only for the web server to decide if it's sync or not ? |
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| 09:12.20 | dondelelcaro | Bartzy: generally you don't care if you loose a few log entries |
| 09:12.22 | dondelelcaro | s/loose/lose/ |
| 09:13.22 | Bartzy | dondelelcaro: OK, but logs are "sync" by default ? |
| 09:13.25 | Bartzy | how do I change that ? |
| 09:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Bartzy: depends on what you're talking about. AFAIK, most of the log writers don't sync after each write |
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| 09:17.39 | oracle | why would i run a bsd kernel on debian |
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| 09:18.16 | arctanx | oracle: many people claim better performance for some tasks |
| 09:18.23 | arctanx | it'll come down to application and taste |
| 09:18.46 | oracle | arctanx, it becomes bsd, though, right? |
| 09:18.55 | oracle | and yes, i've seen those peoples benchmarks |
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| 09:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | or you might just prefer a bsd licenced kernel |
| 09:19.17 | arctanx | or that |
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| 09:20.00 | Ecco_ | Hi everyone |
| 09:20.14 | Ecco_ | I got this Debian machine set up for me |
| 09:20.22 | Ecco_ | How can I check it's not been compromised ? |
| 09:20.29 | Ecco_ | It should pretty much be a "vanilla" Debian install |
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| 09:20.44 | Ecco_ | minus a few config files changed here and there (network config essentially) |
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| 09:21.05 | arctanx | Ecco_: fundamentally speaking you can't know for certain that there isn't a rootkit or some other nasty installed, or some suspect config setting |
| 09:21.27 | Ecco_ | Well, I do understand that |
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| 09:21.46 | Ecco_ | Actually it's a server I'm getting from a hosting company |
| 09:21.57 | Ecco_ | So hopefully they aren't doing too "nasty" stuff |
| 09:22.12 | dondelelcaro | Ecco_: if it's a hosting company, you can generally give them an image to install |
| 09:22.15 | arctanx | that being the case they have physical (or in the case virtualisation - total) control of the machine anyway |
| 09:22.16 | Ecco_ | Basically my question could be rephrased as "how can I see what they have modified, assuming they aren't trying to hide it" |
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| 09:23.04 | Ecco_ | arctanx: Yep, definitely. Let's just assume they aren't total bastards and aren't trying to hide things |
| 09:23.26 | Ecco_ | for instance so far I've noticed they're not shipping the standard debian kernel |
| 09:24.22 | arctanx | for that, they might have left a config file in /boot, or you could ask for a copy of that |
| 09:24.48 | arctanx | if you have another machine you could grab /etc/ and diff it against another debian machine |
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| 09:32.22 | Ecco_ | yep, that would work |
| 09:32.27 | Ecco_ | but I don't :-) |
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| 09:36.40 | rotaticus | Ecco_: perhaps chkrootkit and/or rkhunter helps? |
| 09:36.51 | Ecco_ | Yeah, I could give that a try as well |
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| 09:37.41 | rotaticus | but i thin rkhunter builds up a chksumdb on first run |
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| 09:40.01 | Bartzy | how should I disable ipv6 entirely in my system ? |
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| 09:41.17 | rotaticus | rmmod ipv6 ? |
| 09:41.30 | liable_ | !noipv6 |
| 09:41.31 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 09:42.46 | Bartzy | rotaticus: It's recommended if I don't actually use ipv6 ? |
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| 09:44.20 | rotaticus | Bartzy: i'm just guessing |
| 09:45.13 | ethanol | mornin' irc people |
| 09:45.43 | rotaticus | mornin real life ethanol |
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| 09:56.44 | dokma | What's the first thing to check when a keyboard multimedia keys do not respond? |
| 09:56.51 | arvind_khadri | Hi, when I do cat /etc/debian_version it shows lenny/sid, what does it mean? |
| 09:57.40 | themill | arvind_khadri: it means you have a lenny system that hasn't been updated since lenny was testing. |
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| 09:58.01 | arvind_khadri | themill, ohh thanks :) |
| 09:58.13 | mallxs | Ha my'n just shows 5.0.5 |
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| 09:58.38 | themill | arvind_khadri: depending on just how out of date it is, you might want to glance over the upgrading section of the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 09:59.35 | arvind_khadri | themill, thanks again |
| 09:59.48 | mallxs | Hello, i'm trying to code some socket software, but checking the packages with WireShark it shows a checkusm error ... |
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| 10:00.19 | mallxs | the errors are in all packages .. even if i use nc |
| 10:00.57 | mallxs | is this cos i do the sending and the snooping with wireshark on the same machine ? |
| 10:01.49 | itchi | Hi all, what irc web interface do you recommend? I found cgiirc which is cool, maybe is there somethings better? |
| 10:02.01 | mallxs | there is also talk about checksum offload ... can i disable that some were ? |
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| 10:06.59 | arvind_khadri | themill, when I checked my sources it was pointing to sid, I have made them now to point to lenny, now when I try to run an upgrade it complains of removing many packages. |
| 10:07.59 | themill | arvind_khadri: aptitude will fare better than apt-get for that upgrade -- perhaps you can pastebin the output. |
| 10:09.19 | arvind_khadri | themill, I did aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:10.46 | arvind_khadri | themill, http://paste.debian.net/101209/ |
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| 10:11.40 | ov3rmind | somebody can help me with squeeze cof. to cfg80211 keernel module and parameteers to load it withou "CRDA" call here this not work and stops the access point access with my note under debian, but the gentoo and slack works fine, thks |
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| 10:14.01 | themill | arvind_khadri: only 11 packages to remove... that's not so bad at all! It's to be expected that some packages will be removed in an upgrade between releases like this. A couple of them you might actually want (just reinstall them later), but lib* packages you can probably just let aptitude worry about for you. |
| 10:15.37 | themill | arvind_khadri: the three packages that it wants to keep at the current version are more of a worry, but you can probably sort them out yourself afterwards without any hassle |
| 10:15.39 | arvind_khadri | themill, :) ok thanks, I am doing a dist-upgrade with aptitude, thats the way to go,right ?? |
| 10:16.14 | themill | arvind_khadri: dpkg recommended a few extra steps that would make the upgrade less difficult |
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| 10:17.00 | arvind_khadri | themill, ya I saw that, so I was thinking which method to use, dpkg's or mine |
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| 10:18.14 | jargon- | does anyone else running squeeze have Suspend issues,where resuming from Suspend leaves the screen very dim? and it stays that way until u restart X? anyone else? allegedly adding "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" to the kernel line solves this,but it's not so. |
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| 10:18.39 | sfjkg | Hi guys. I want to have my debian box capture an image from video0 every 5-10 secs and put it under /var/www/images - I could use the "webcam" package, but ftping into localhost, its a bit overkill just to locally dump the images, right? |
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| 10:19.17 | themill | arvind_khadri: the multi step process was worked out to minimise problems like the ones you're seeing. |
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| 10:19.48 | ionte | Hi. I'm having trouble with Debian Squeeze 64-bit: I've tried to burn the beta1 image to a CD and boot a Dell R210 server, and also tried to boot a VirtualBox machine using the image file. But nothing happens! The screen is entirely blank after bios. Using 32-bit it works. Any ideas? |
| 10:19.57 | arvind_khadri | themill, oh ok :) doing it now |
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| 10:22.49 | Bartzy | using iptables, can I specify multiple destination ip addresses in one rule ? |
| 10:22.51 | Agiofws_ | how do i ask i apt-manager what version my xfce is ? |
| 10:22.54 | Agiofws_ | ask your apt-manager |
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| 10:23.06 | frikinz | sfjkg: you've seen the package 'motion' ? |
| 10:23.11 | Bartzy | something like iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -d 10.0.0.1,192.168.1.1,1.1.1.1 ? |
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| 10:23.54 | sfjkg | frikinz: yeah, but again, I beleive that's overkill for what i want to do. im just after a small, efficient and simple webcam server |
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| 10:24.34 | sfjkg | brb, grabbing a coffee, and a camera |
| 10:24.52 | Agiofws_ | how do i ask i apt-manager what version my xfce is ? |
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| 10:26.10 | ionte | What debian-arch should I select for an Intel Xeon 3400 system? ia64? |
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| 10:26.26 | ionte | amd64? |
| 10:26.29 | Rienzilla | I think amd64 |
| 10:26.31 | Rienzilla | ia64 is itanium |
| 10:26.59 | ionte | Rienzilla: ok, thanks! |
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| 10:31.16 | gyerot | anybody has problems with current automysqlbackup ("too many arguments", "unary operator expected") version 2.5-1 works corretly, looks like newer versions have problems |
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| 10:37.03 | robokop | when trying to e2fsck an unmounted partition i get a device or resource busy error |
| 10:37.32 | force | hi, i have an old mail server which is now decomissioned, i need to forward traffic from it to a new server on a different network both have static ips with no nat, how can i do this? |
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| 10:38.46 | gyerot | force: set an MX record in DNS |
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| 10:39.17 | SWFu64 | No conky in the squeeze repos? |
| 10:39.21 | SWFu64 | Eh? |
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| 10:40.36 | acemi | SWFu64: in contrib repo |
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| 10:41.34 | SWFu64 | Ah, right, thanks, I ended up compiling it last night |
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| 10:44.02 | wallunit | Can i use stunnel (if not what else?), if i have a server that requires ssl client authentification, but a client that does not supprt ssl client auth in order to handle ssl by stunnel in provide a local port that can be used by the client application? |
| 10:44.05 | TwoTwenty_ | does anyone know what temp folder I can find streaming embedded video, I looked in /tmp and ~/.cache ~/.mozilla |
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| 10:50.52 | dondelelcaro | TwoTwenty_: streaming video is almost never saved to disk |
| 10:51.25 | TwoTwenty | it doesnt cache itself ? |
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| 10:52.02 | Sm0ke0ut | it does, in your RAM |
| 10:52.57 | TwoTwenty | oh so I can dd it out |
| 10:53.08 | robokop | when trying to e2fsck an unmounted partition i get a device or resource busy error <-- any help |
| 10:53.54 | TwoTwenty | robokop reboot and use a livecd |
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| 10:54.43 | robokop | TwoTwenty: it is a production server and the partition isn't /, but something in srv |
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| 10:57.57 | TwoTwenty | robokop what does mtab show ? |
| 10:58.42 | TwoTwenty | robokop: or what does cat /proc/mounts show |
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| 10:59.11 | TwoTwenty | robokop: what exactly are you typing to do the check ? |
| 10:59.45 | robokop | TwoTwenty: mtab and /proc/mounts show the mounts i have (not including the partition i want to check) |
| 11:00.09 | robokop | e2fsck /dev/mapper/raid10-srv.vm_images |
| 11:00.28 | dokma | where does xmodmap store it's system wide settings? |
| 11:00.34 | TwoTwenty | so its a lvm your checking |
| 11:00.42 | robokop | TwoTwenty: yes |
| 11:01.19 | TwoTwenty | what file system |
| 11:01.29 | robokop | ext3 |
| 11:02.38 | TwoTwenty | have your tried parsing through lsof |
| 11:02.43 | TwoTwenty | or forcing your check? |
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| 11:03.57 | robokop | forcing gives the same error, and lsof doesn't give any results for lsof /dev/mapper/raid10-srv.vmimages and lsof +D /srv/vm_images |
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| 11:05.37 | Iridos | what are processes that look like "--channel=31397.0xb9824900.1890409874" in iotop? |
| 11:06.16 | TwoTwenty | robokop, I dont know if I have ever checked my lvm maybe tonight is a good night |
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| 11:07.10 | g0rd0n | is there a gui to manage an LVM volume? |
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| 11:08.22 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am trying to install nagios3 on Debian Lenny. I have installed it, but when I am authenticated to nagios, I get an 500 Internal server error, whats wrong? |
| 11:08.35 | robokop | TwoTwenty: the reason that triggered me to do it was that the df output said the disk was full, but dh didn't agree with that |
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| 11:09.57 | TwoTwenty | dh? |
| 11:10.09 | robokop | sorry du |
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| 11:11.22 | Iridos | there's reserved space for root on extN filesystems |
| 11:11.33 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:11.42 | Agiofws | i have set up a wacom tablet that does WORK in MONO screen mode but when i enable dual screen IT SIMPLY does not want to DRAW in inkscape and gimp although it work as a mouse can anyone help me ? here is my xorg.0.log file http://codepad.org/BeUa8kuK |
| 11:11.42 | TwoTwenty | robokop I cant even umount mine lol |
| 11:11.55 | Amse | hi |
| 11:11.57 | TwoTwenty | robokop: fuser doesnt show any processes using it |
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| 11:12.42 | Amse | i'm in troubles with the network hardware detection |
| 11:13.02 | Amse | my network interface is listed when i do lspci |
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| 11:13.17 | Amse | but the device doesn't exists in /dev |
| 11:13.34 | Amse | *exist |
| 11:14.30 | TwoTwenty | robokop: I did a lazy unmount and Im having the same problem maybe is a lvm issue |
| 11:14.43 | TwoTwenty | worth trying #lvm |
| 11:14.47 | Iridos | what network device do you expect to find in /dev, anyway? |
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| 11:15.32 | petemc | Amse: network devices are the exception to the rule that every on unix is a file |
| 11:15.40 | petemc | +thing |
| 11:15.53 | Amse | well, some file with a name like eth0, i don't know |
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| 11:16.32 | Amse | the point is this happened after updating an old lenny machine to sid |
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| 11:19.10 | Iridos | Amse, there are no files like eth0 in /dev |
| 11:19.21 | frikinz | Amse: maybe you need a firmware. check dmesg |
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| 11:20.09 | Iridos | Amse, you didn't tell us _what_ happened after "updating"... did you say sid? |
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| 11:20.35 | Iridos | rubs his eyes |
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| 11:20.57 | factor | How can I check if a package exist on a platform say the debian arm |
| 11:21.02 | Amse | excuse me, iridos, i forgot about it, it's been a long time without using unix |
| 11:22.25 | Amse | frikinz, i thought that, but it seems the firmware for realtek network interfaces is included in the kernel since 2006 or 2007 |
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| 11:22.42 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search wacomcpl |
| 11:22.47 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
| 11:22.47 | Agiofws | ? |
| 11:23.20 | Iridos | factor, packages.debian.org |
| 11:24.06 | frikinz | Amse I think they've been removed lately. for an intel e100 I had to add the firmware for example |
| 11:24.36 | Amse | :( |
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| 11:25.16 | petemc | Amse: you havent properly described your problem |
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| 11:25.50 | Amse | well, excuse me, again |
| 11:25.56 | frikinz | factor: fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-arm/Packages.gz |
| 11:26.02 | petemc | Amse: does the card show up in ifconfig -a ? if you plug a cable in do you see the link coming up in dmesg? |
| 11:26.04 | frikinz | or binary-armel |
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| 11:26.10 | Amse | i'll try to describe it properly |
| 11:26.38 | Amse | 1: i took an old lenny machine i didn't used for a couple of years |
| 11:26.51 | factor | frikinz, thanks found what I needed |
| 11:27.03 | Amse | 2: i've updated it to unstable |
| 11:27.16 | petemc | you did say that already, however |
| 11:27.47 | Amse | 3: after rebooting my machine, the network interface doesn't seem to work |
| 11:28.11 | Amse | 4: i did lspci and the network card is listed |
| 11:28.34 | Amse | 5: but if i do ifconfig -a the only thing i see is the local loopback |
| 11:28.46 | petemc | dmesg | grep eth , dont paste here |
| 11:29.36 | themill | Amse: the line from "lspci -nn | grep -i net" would be handy too. |
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| 11:33.57 | Amse | lspci and dmesg pasted here: http://pastebin.com/PSSSmdiG |
| 11:36.27 | Amse | aaah, i see |
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| 11:40.17 | Amse | the problem is the file interfaces is trying to deal with eth0 while it has been renamed to eth2 |
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| 11:40.59 | Amse | i've changed /etc/network/interfaces, then i did ifup eth2 and everything is OK |
| 11:41.12 | petemc | Amse: you said ifconfig -a only showed the loopback? |
| 11:41.25 | Amse | anyway, thank you 2 so much for your help! |
| 11:42.01 | themill | Amse: ifconfig -a should have listed eth2 |
| 11:42.14 | Amse | yes, after rebooting |
| 11:42.29 | themill | Amse: you can rename the interface back to eth0 if you want; /msg dpkg 70 |
| 11:42.43 | Amse | i don0t know why it listed only lo |
| 11:43.24 | Amse | but, anyway, i don't even know why the network interface stopped working at all :S |
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| 11:43.58 | sedulous | dondelelcaro: oops. you're right. i missed that. |
| 11:43.59 | themill | possibly one of the more lovely effects of squeeze's udev. This is well known and covered in the release notes for squeeze. |
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| 11:45.40 | cafuego | Wut? Squeeze udev is now having issues? |
| 11:46.05 | dutchfish | hi, why does building a kernel with: make [foo] pkg-deb , produces a debian package of over 4GB that is ~ as big as a dbg build? if so, how to disable debug? where can i find the options for pkg-deb? |
| 11:46.13 | Amse | yep, i read about it, but i thought after renaming devices all relevant files sensibles to that renaming will change too |
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| 11:47.40 | themill | cafuego: it's just incompatible with lenny's kernel in various interesting ways. This has been the case since January. |
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| 11:50.18 | cafuego | themill: Ah yes it is. But that I knew and can cope with. |
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| 11:57.58 | frikinz | dutchfish: aren't you supposed to use make-kpkg ? |
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| 12:00.07 | dutchfish | frikinz: up until now i have used that and it works, but according to the debian-kernel-handbook it should be make [foo] pkg-deb, which *maybe* is a wrapper for dpkg-deb, hence my questions. |
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| 12:00.56 | frikinz | mmh yes, i see it now. deprecated. ok |
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| 12:02.08 | nu1x | k, do you know what linux kernel (2.6) is in by default in Nov 26 weekly debian CD (1 CD image with xfce), I mean, what exact kernel version ? |
| 12:02.33 | nu1x | the one installed by default ? |
| 12:03.46 | dutchfish | frikinz: at first i had same thought, however, the debian-kernel-handbook went just in as a package http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-handbook.html so i expect it to be quiet up to date. |
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| 12:04.36 | frikinz | dutchfish: ahah very very young |
| 12:04.48 | JuanDaugherty | i thought aptosid would be a utility not a whole distro |
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| 12:05.35 | JuanDaugherty | bought "a whole car" for $900. |
| 12:06.49 | dutchfish | judd kernel |
| 12:06.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:07.13 | nu1x | Thank You |
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| 12:16.56 | frikinz | What's the difference between apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install linux-source ? I'm always confused of seeing binary packages containing sources |
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| 12:17.16 | Iridos | themill, january is only in a month! |
| 12:17.26 | nu1x | hmmm |
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| 12:19.58 | dondelelcaro | frikinz: it's just a binary package which contains source, and the other is a source package. |
| 12:20.29 | jelly | (and the latter exists to confuse users?) |
| 12:20.45 | Iridos | JuanDaugherty, looks like a distro to me... funny thing how they don't really explain on their homepage what it is they actually _do_ with sid, but do explain about how they accept donations |
| 12:20.46 | doublehp | after each cron-monthly, i have, month after month, more free disk space; what is removed ? i suspect logs in /var, but i have set to keep logs during 10 years, and the system is only 4 years old, so, for now, the free disk space should go down, not up. Why does it go up ? |
| 12:20.54 | doublehp | which logs do i loose ? |
| 12:21.23 | jelly | doublehp: uh... run a find / before and after? |
| 12:21.26 | frikinz | jelly: I'm more confused about the first one :) |
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| 12:21.48 | jelly | frikinz: now you're confusing me |
| 12:21.51 | dondelelcaro | frikinz: what about it? |
| 12:22.04 | nu1x | do not logs get autocompressed over time ? so it would account for some timed free space increases |
| 12:22.18 | doublehp | jelly hard to know "hey, tomorrow Debian will randomly delete 100M of logs" ... don't know which folder i should run find in |
| 12:22.24 | dondelelcaro | frikinz: the first is a debian source package which is what is used to build Debian kernels |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | nu1x: depends on the logrotate config |
| 12:22.34 | Iridos | they also get automatically removed if you're using logrotate and the defaults... i think 6 logs are kept, everything older is removed |
| 12:22.35 | nu1x | well yes |
| 12:22.42 | jelly | doublehp: that's why I said "/" |
| 12:23.26 | JuanDaugherty | Iridos, well they seem nice enough in (text) person. |
| 12:25.18 | Iridos | JuanDaugherty, I didn't say they weren't... but even after clicking on "development" I only got a vague idea what it is that's actually done... they seem to have additional kernels and artwork... (oh well, and we're offtopic in here with it) |
| 12:25.53 | doublehp | jelly so much to do, just to know which file been removed ? no daemon known to drop logs dispite logrotate.conf ? no wy to ask the journal ? |
| 12:26.48 | rozie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.23 | Iridos | doublehp, you should read all that at "check if you're indeed using logrotate, look at its configuration" |
| 12:27.39 | stew | doublehp: realize that syslog has its own rotation separate from logrotate |
| 12:27.46 | jelly | doublehp: correct, for the general case |
| 12:28.07 | jelly | stew: thankfully, rsyslog uses logrotate |
| 12:28.15 | Iridos | doublehp, and there's programs like "diff" to help you find the differences, if shortcutting via what you suspect doesn't help |
| 12:28.31 | doublehp | Iridos: been said in here that some daemons ignore it, and manage their logs their own ways ... but for those i was said about, I have take logs manually |
| 12:28.43 | rozie | stew: which syslog? syslog-ng? |
| 12:28.51 | doublehp | stew: i know, i take syslog old files myself away |
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| 12:29.07 | doublehp | i think it's syslog.0 ... i push it |
| 12:30.12 | jelly | rozie: the old default, sysklogd package, has its own cron scripts. |
| 12:30.34 | rozie | oh. somebody still uses it? ;-) |
| 12:31.01 | jelly | rozie: everyone that upgraded from etch, unless they explicitely went and replaced it |
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| 12:31.45 | doublehp | Iridos: stew jelly ... gonna do find+du -lsh /var/* in crondaily ... ll see ... i sad i have to wait untill 1st jan to know the problem ... |
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| 12:32.01 | doublehp | so, time to probe and fix it, feb 2011 before i can be sure i keep all logs |
| 12:32.03 | JuanDaugherty | Iridos, they do stable to Sid as a service. |
| 12:32.04 | rozie | jelly: wasn't syslog-ng default in Etch? |
| 12:32.14 | WormFood | is there an unofficial squeeze net install that actually works? (and by "works" I mean something that has the firmware files required by most common network cards) |
| 12:32.23 | rozie | IIRC rsyslog is default since Lenny |
| 12:32.30 | Iridos | doublehp, well, actually it's simple... you can just cross-check with the files in your backups... |
| 12:32.32 | jelly | rozie: syslog-ng never was default in Debian to the best of my knowledge |
| 12:32.38 | doublehp | laws in my country are strict: *ALL* logs MUST be kept 10y ! Debian is not helping me respecting my laws |
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| 12:33.07 | doublehp | Iridos: ... backup ran at 2AM ... cron at 6 ... so, yes, should do :) |
| 12:33.08 | rozie | jelly: oh. always sticked to syslog-ng |
| 12:33.20 | rozie | doublehp: where are you from? |
| 12:33.26 | doublehp | rozie: France |
| 12:33.50 | Iridos | haha, France |
| 12:33.50 | rozie | that's strange. EU forces maximum of 2y for connection logs AFAIK |
| 12:33.51 | WormFood | doublehp, so you need to keep copies of all your boot logs, and your IRC logs, and stuff like that? |
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| 12:34.04 | doublehp | rozie: all logs about "public services" must be kept 10y. as long as i don't know which logs are removed, some may be about public services ... |
| 12:34.05 | frikinz | doublehp: 10y? you must be wrong |
| 12:34.42 | WormFood | frikinz, I think he is wrong too...10 years is excessively long. |
| 12:34.45 | doublehp | syslog contains 90% of my email traffic for example ... |
| 12:35.10 | rozie | doublehp: emails logs are probably connection logs and fall under retention policy |
| 12:35.12 | jelly | doublehp: you may be logging mail.* in more than one file. No need to. |
| 12:35.13 | WormFood | doublehp, how long have you been using Linux? |
| 12:35.17 | rozie | which specifies 2y at most |
| 12:35.23 | rozie | _at most_ |
| 12:35.23 | doublehp | frikinz: LEN.2 voted in 2007 ... ten years. 5 years first, then, 5 years more since 1013 ... i am setting it up now. |
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| 12:36.26 | doublehp | WormFood: first kiss in 1998 . Admin use since 2000. |
| 12:36.55 | jelly | doublehp: a standard part of my debian setup is getting rid of mail.{info,err,warn} and adding mail to .none part for /var/log/syslog |
| 12:37.18 | doublehp | first, i keep; later, i remove unwanted parts if i lack romm |
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| 12:38.11 | WormFood | doublehp, then you should know that there are multiple log files for many different services. Your email logs are not in your syslog....not saying there isn't email info being logged there, but that isn't your email logs. |
| 12:38.33 | rozie | doublehp: double check the law. keeping email logs over 2y may be illegal. Take a look at http://searchengineland.com/google-responds-to-eu-cutting-raw-log-retention-time-reconsidering-cookie-expiration-11443 |
| 12:38.36 | doublehp | WormFood: did not find any fresh file in exim folder |
| 12:38.51 | WormFood | I don't think you're a Linux admin |
| 12:39.00 | rozie | and I wouldn't keep logs on production machine |
| 12:39.24 | rozie | put them at some central (backup) point once a month or so |
| 12:39.25 | WormFood | yeah, good point rozie, they should be logged to another machine, off the internet (on the private network) |
| 12:39.57 | rozie | even if you have to have them, probably you don't need have them online |
| 12:39.59 | doublehp | first, i log; later, i removed the unwatned part. France != Europe . email was an example. |
| 12:40.09 | rozie | tape is enough |
| 12:40.33 | rozie | AFAIK France is in Europe. even in EU ;-) |
| 12:40.33 | jelly | shrug |
| 12:41.17 | WormFood | log to paper tape....hehehe |
| 12:41.20 | doublehp | you are right; the backup machine could do the job; it could backup the old logs, and, keep them even if the backup of live server removed them ... then, let the prod server remove them |
| 12:41.38 | doublehp | WormFood: paper tape ... human readable ? ^^ |
| 12:41.51 | rozie | WormFood: well, they have to be computer readable IIRC |
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| 12:41.58 | frikinz | "lcen 2 creates because of web 2.0" muahaha. can't find the text of the law though |
| 12:42.16 | doublehp | rozie: no, in case of lawcourts, the police is happy with human readable :) |
| 12:42.31 | WormFood | you need to learn how to configure your log file rotation scheme....I personally keep my logs for about 2-4 years, when I take the time to configure it....I don't keep them that long because I have to, but because I want to. (and not in a production server, on my home network) |
| 12:43.00 | WormFood | paper tape is machine readable....and if you know the codes, it is human readable, but probably tedious at best. |
| 12:43.05 | jelly | doublehp: I strongly suggest configuration of logging to have daily rotation and per-day file names (mail.2010-12-01.log or similar), instead of rotating and reusing file names |
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| 12:43.31 | doublehp | jelly i did that already ... i did it manually for syslog !!! |
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| 12:44.35 | jelly | doublehp: syslog-ng is your friend. rsyslog is good enough as well, and default in lenny onwards, and much more backward compatible |
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| 12:44.56 | jelly | my mail servers use rsyslog locally |
| 12:46.21 | krisfremen | i just had debian lenny's logrotate go into an infinite loop |
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| 12:47.05 | WormFood | is there an unofficial squeeze net install that actually works? (and by "works" I mean something that has the firmware files required by most common network cards) |
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| 12:49.22 | aidan | Can I upgrade to autoconf 2.65 in lenny? |
| 12:49.45 | frikinz | doublehp: I only see 1y R10-13. I see 10years for _contracts_ and not for general emails (of more than 120 euros; wtf) |
| 12:49.51 | themill | dpkg: tell WormFood about firmware images |
| 12:50.15 | jelly | aidan: it's in lenny-backports. /msg dpkg bdo |
| 12:50.20 | cahoot | !noipv6 |
| 12:50.20 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 12:51.10 | doublehp | frikinz: removing unwatned is easy: find -rm ; first, i need to make sure i keep *ALL* in first place |
| 12:51.26 | doublehp | and Munin says from my disk % that i have very much removed |
| 12:52.21 | ttiicc | what the difference between curl wget? any one prefered? or newer? |
| 12:52.23 | WormFood | thanks themill, that is perfect (or at least it looks perfect)...will try it out. |
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| 12:52.38 | jelly | ttiicc: curl is also a library. |
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| 12:53.33 | doublehp | ttiicc: not the same use; wget has a spider option; curl is preferd when you need to output page in console of pipe |
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| 12:54.12 | doublehp | ttiicc: i d say, wget when "manipulating website (spider, wheck link consistency, miroring); curl for working on page content |
| 12:54.26 | doublehp | ttiicc: coockies options may also differ |
| 12:57.15 | HackeMate | hello, I don't know where to ask this, but I guess you could redirect me to the right place: I wanted to know how crossloop or teamviewer works, I know crossloop use vnc but how does it to redirect the session? |
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| 13:01.08 | ttiicc | thanks for the replies guys! |
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| 13:05.01 | doublehp | before/after backup, /var/log have shrink by 60M; i have found removed files only for 2M; which files are rotated daily, or monthly, and could contain up to 60M data, on low traffic server ? |
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| 13:10.59 | doublehp | found file wtmp : 65M => 2K ... that's the one :) |
| 13:11.25 | aidan | libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6b Debian-2.2.6b-2ubuntu1, but the |
| 13:11.28 | aidan | libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from an older release. |
| 13:11.36 | aidan | How do I fix this? I hate compiling stuff :/ |
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| 13:13.35 | doublehp | aidan: go to /ubuntu before you are kicked ! |
| 13:13.44 | doublehp | #ubuntu sorry |
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| 13:20.32 | delby | hi, i am trying to understand mirrors, repositories and archive areas and the relations between them. for example the relation between the uri in a repo in sources.list and the mirror i set. could anyone refer me in the right direction? |
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| 13:26.49 | frikinz | delby: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . It's said obsolete but it's a good start |
| 13:26.53 | stew | delby: you might look at the repository howto, which would help you understand how a repository is put together |
| 13:26.59 | stew | what he said :) |
| 13:27.45 | stew | delby: the official mirrors are just a large set of machines which strive to have exactly the same set of files |
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| 13:28.00 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 13:32.22 | frikinz | delby: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/ here will find an index Packages.gz of which packages are available for 386 in SID. Files pointed in this index (and others; like amd64; etc..) are physically in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/ . Filenames includes architecture and version number |
| 13:33.32 | delby | frikinz, stew: thanks |
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| 13:35.19 | Squeeb | Hi, I've just tried to compile 2.6.36.1 using make-kpkg, the kernel compiled and I installed the .deb files |
| 13:35.27 | Squeeb | but on boot, it just hangs at "Loading kernel........" |
| 13:35.36 | Squeeb | I'm using the same config as the stock kernel |
| 13:36.07 | Squeeb | I've noticed it's not saying "Decompressing ELF.." or somethinhg now |
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| 13:36.16 | Squeeb | just straight into the Loading Kernel bit |
| 13:36.28 | Squeeb | as I have no debugs etc.. what can I look for? |
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| 13:39.34 | aidan | doublehp: I'm not on ubuntu ... |
| 13:39.48 | aidan | libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6b Debian-2.2.6b-2ubuntu1, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from an older release. ... how can I fix this? |
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| 13:42.40 | marcpv | hi, i just installed kde in debian lenny but can't find the wireless manager, any idea? |
| 13:43.06 | jelly | aidan: you have to admit that version number is somewhat suspicious |
| 13:43.41 | jelly | judd, versions libtool |
| 13:43.42 | judd | Package libtool on i386 -- etch: 1.5.22-4+etch1; etch-security: 1.5.22-4+etch1; etch-backports: 1.5.24-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.2.6b-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.6b-2; squeeze: 2.2.6b-2; experimental: 2.2.10-1 |
| 13:45.36 | themill | marcpv: check that you have network-manager-kde installed |
| 13:45.51 | aidan | jelly: heh, didn't even see that |
| 13:46.03 | aidan | I was wondering what the hell he was talking about |
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| 13:47.02 | marcpv | themill: ok, let me see |
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| 13:47.09 | aidan | $ libtool --version |
| 13:47.09 | aidan | ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.5.26 Debian 1.5.26-4+lenny1 |
| 13:47.20 | aidan | where is this ubuntu string coming from? |
| 13:47.58 | stew | libtool | 2.2.6b-2ubuntu1 | lucid | source, amd64, i386 |
| 13:48.12 | stew | from either lucid or maveric or natty release of ubuntu |
| 13:48.28 | jelly | aidan: what are you trying to build? Which command results in that message? Can you pastebin the whole output, including that command? |
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| 13:49.10 | aidan | http://dpaste.com/281885/ |
| 13:49.21 | delby | where is the mirror choice set? |
| 13:49.31 | stew | delby: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 13:50.04 | marcpv | themill: not installed, i guess i have to do it... |
| 13:50.14 | marcpv | themill: thanks! |
| 13:50.26 | jelly | aidan: it seems your source tree has a copy of libtool embedded |
| 13:50.34 | aidan | jelly: ah |
| 13:50.44 | aidan | is there a magic way to prevent that from being used? |
| 13:51.45 | delby | stew: i mean i forgot wich mirror i chose at install and i presume my system is still using it as default and i want to know what it is. |
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| 13:52.01 | jelly | aidan: how come you're building tesseract-ocr from upstream source, instead of using the ssb backporting method |
| 13:52.07 | Bartzy | How can I install 'mapfile' in debian ? |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | aidan: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:52.11 | stew | delby: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list (and the sources.list manpage) |
| 13:52.29 | delby | thanks |
| 13:53.02 | aidan | jelly: hrm |
| 13:54.23 | aidan | jelly: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tesseract-ocr .. none of these are v3 |
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| 13:57.52 | aidan | okay, I removed that libtool, symlinked the dist one, and now it's building |
| 13:58.01 | aidan | but you're saying I can turn this into a proper deb? |
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| 13:58.42 | jelly | that might take some work, if the changes from 2.x to 3.x are substantial |
| 13:59.04 | jelly | aidan: if you want to try, see also /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 13:59.59 | aidan | yes, quite different |
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| 14:10.28 | sanal_madatheth | can anybody say howto change tty background and foreground colors permanently? |
| 14:13.14 | kkady32 | setterm -background black -foreground -green -store |
| 14:13.37 | kkady32 | u cann make a script and put in /etc/init.d |
| 14:13.52 | kkady32 | setterm -background black -foreground green -store |
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| 14:14.50 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, but we have run the command every time |
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| 14:15.44 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, how to make it permanent?Is there any file that determines the behaviour of all ttys? |
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| 14:16.32 | aidan | heh, 3.0 branch segfaults, I give up :// |
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| 14:17.03 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:make a script |
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| 14:17.23 | UukGoblin | is it normal that my /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 is provided by both libgl1-mesa-glx and fglrx-glx? Should I remove the former package? |
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| 14:17.34 | shane4ubuntu | ok, I installed debian net install (again) last night, and when I boot, it just hangs with something about SCSI adding sde <- shows about four of those for my usb card reader and then does nothing |
| 14:17.46 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:make a script ant put in /etc/init.d |
| 14:18.00 | shane4ubuntu | where and how can I trouble shoot this? |
| 14:19.24 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6875 |
| 14:20.34 | shane4ubuntu | could it be my inittab is not set right?? id:2:initdefault: shows under #The default runlevel seems like that should be set higher?? |
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| 14:21.19 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, Thanks I'll try it |
| 14:21.53 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:that work well |
| 14:22.30 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, did u try it? |
| 14:23.11 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:sure i like green/black tty |
| 14:24.09 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, Then I'm going to try it |
| 14:24.26 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:ok,enjoy |
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| 14:27.01 | stew | shane4ubuntu: no, 2 is the default on debian, and until you do something specific to change something, all runlevels 2-5 are identical |
| 14:27.43 | shane4ubuntu | stew: ok, I didn't change nothing, just had read something about that, also when it boots it doesn't seem to report any errors. |
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| 14:31.33 | shane4ubuntu | I installed this time with the net-install cd, selected standard, and Desktop to install, let it download all night the 800 packages, booted into Ubuntu, updated grub, rebooted booted into Debian went through quite a bit of booting, and then just hung there. I'm stumped... |
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| 14:40.12 | Iridos | shane4ubuntu, I think you could be a bit more specific on the last bit... around "went through quite a bit of booting, and then just hung there." :) |
| 14:43.04 | shane4ubuntu | Iridos: true, just not sure, where to find the info, I chrooted in and went to var/log/boot and it was empty! I wish I had a photographic memory I would type what was on the screen. I'm at a loss as to where to get info. It didn't boot entirely, not even to console, so I had to reset. I tried alt-ctrl-f1-7 and didn't get anywhere. |
| 14:43.26 | babilen | !bootlog |
| 14:43.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 14:44.25 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: ahh, thanks!!! I will fix that and reboot later when I have spare time to test it. |
| 14:45.19 | babilen | shane4ubuntu: No problem, but you understand that there is very little we could conclude from just "then just hung there" :) |
| 14:46.12 | shane4ubuntu | babilen: yes, absolutely, you are at as much of a loss as I was :) the bootlog thing was key I guess, much appreciated, I can work on a problem when it is logged. |
| 14:46.48 | stew | a camera would have a photographic memory |
| 14:47.15 | jelly | only in RAW mode |
| 14:47.17 | shane4ubuntu | stew: the chroot problem was that I had mounted a drive as /home and didn't unmount it, so when I exited my chroot the main partition wouldn't umount because there was a mount in there. :) |
| 14:47.37 | shane4ubuntu | stew: I have seen screenshots like that, just couldn't bring myself to do that. |
| 14:47.54 | shane4ubuntu | ok, thanks guys |
| 14:48.00 | shane4ubuntu | gets back to studying |
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| 14:55.02 | Iridos | so an SD card becomes a photographic memory when you put it into a camera? |
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| 14:55.50 | Iridos | so as I own a digital camera with an SD card in it, I can claim to have a photographic memory... |
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| 14:57.30 | Guest94830 | Hello fellow Debian users.. anyone know if its pasible to setup debian as a cloud desktop on a vps? |
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| 14:57.48 | yoda__ | hmm |
| 14:58.05 | [yoda] | there not owned |
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| 15:00.58 | sec_goat | I just wanted to say thanks to the channel, I got my wireless working yesterday after reading some of the wiki links provided! |
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| 15:01.53 | Allanis_phone | grats sec_gaot |
| 15:02.01 | Allanis_phone | typo. |
| 15:02.30 | babilen | Allanis_phone: Next time try: sec_<TAB> ;) |
| 15:02.56 | sec_goat | oooh neat babilen !! |
| 15:03.09 | sec_goat | you just mde my life much easier |
| 15:03.16 | babilen | works with paths as well :) |
| 15:03.25 | Allanis_phone | all my power is down and the snow outsife is just getting worse and worse.. anyone got a hack so i can keep my laptop in power? :p |
| 15:03.26 | sec_goat | is that a debian thing then? |
| 15:03.43 | krushik | can I install php5-fpm in debian from repo? |
| 15:03.43 | Allanis_phone | babilen. on phone. |
| 15:03.52 | sec_goat | Allanis_phone: my niece says you can lick a batterries terminals and replace it to give you more juice, I am still skeptical however |
| 15:04.09 | babilen | Allanis_phone: apparently :) |
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| 15:04.16 | Allanis_phone | lol. |
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| 15:04.46 | babilen | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 15:04.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php5-fpm' was found in i386. |
| 15:05.02 | babilen | krushik: That package is not in Debian |
| 15:05.16 | Allanis_phone | i still have two hours bat life. my phone picks up network so that is cool. i am the only one the street with some power. |
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| 15:05.57 | krushik | php since 5.3.3 has fpm bundled. squeeze has php 5.3.3 but i can't find fpm in it.. |
| 15:05.59 | babilen | Allanis_phone: Go out, build an igloo and have a fight in the snow. (and enough OT chatter in here :) |
| 15:06.11 | Allanis_phone | lol. |
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| 15:08.36 | [yoda] | Hello fellow Debian users.. anyone know if its pasible to setup debian as a cloud desktop on a vps? |
| 15:08.45 | [yoda] | rdp, vnc etc? |
| 15:08.51 | [yoda] | like a full desktop |
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| 15:16.22 | sanal_madatheth | kkady32, it worked, Thanks |
| 15:17.44 | kkady32 | sanal_madatheth:welcome |
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| 15:18.12 | delby | how do i check what my locales are set to? |
| 15:18.23 | petemc | type locale |
| 15:19.01 | delby | thanks. and keyboard-layout? |
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| 15:39.59 | HackeMate | hello, i want to do this for lan helpdesk: create an application similar to teamviewer but in my own servers |
| 15:40.09 | HackeMate | i saw crossloop works with tightvnc |
| 15:40.27 | HackeMate | but what i want is execute a vnc server via java via port 80 |
| 15:40.38 | HackeMate | someone know where or what should i search in google for thsi? |
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| 15:40.40 | HackeMate | this* |
| 15:44.06 | alyur | java vnc client? |
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| 15:44.38 | HackeMate | java vnc server, exists in vncj.com |
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| 15:45.00 | HackeMate | works perfectly, but in example for mac, i cant use the port 80 because need root permissions |
| 15:45.12 | HackeMate | and esle ports are mapped on this network |
| 15:45.19 | HackeMate | and they wont able the 5900 port |
| 15:46.14 | HackeMate | my idea is create a tunnel like teamviewer, but i dont know exactly how it works |
| 15:46.37 | HackeMate | teamviewer doesnt need admin permissions or firewall access |
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| 15:54.31 | Bushmills | HackeMate: nc -l nc -lup 3000 on one host, nc -u $thathost 3000 <<< foobar on the other. instead of "foobar", send now client/server data. |
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| 15:58.32 | HackeMate | Bushmills: thanks, i will read about nc |
| 15:58.34 | Bushmills | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5389 may be of interest |
| 15:59.04 | HackeMate | great, thansk again |
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| 16:01.05 | sec_goat | is there a command to see what Java i have installed? |
| 16:01.48 | stew | sec_goat: perhaps: aptitude search '~i~Pjava-runtime' |
| 16:02.00 | iceroot | sec_goat: java -version |
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| 16:03.39 | sec_goat | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2 |
| 16:03.43 | lelu_ | hey guys, i have a small issue with apache taking an age to create pages. the hardware hasn't changed and this is a fresh install. however it now takes between 4 and 9 secconds to load a page whereas before it took under a seccond. anyone know what might have caused this? |
| 16:03.51 | sec_goat | is this not Sun Java? |
| 16:03.55 | lelu_ | |
| 16:04.36 | stew | sec_goat: that is not sun java. |
| 16:04.46 | babilen | sec_goat: take a look at: openjdk-* and sun-java* |
| 16:05.12 | stew | sec_goat: if you have sun java installed (or openjdk) you might want to change your current default implementation with update-java-alternatives |
| 16:05.46 | HackeMate | Bushmills: so this thing is called stun? |
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| 16:06.00 | babilen | sec_goat: http://wiki.debian.org/Java â provides links to descriptions and installation instruction for OpenJDK and Sun's JDKs (I am happily using openjdk) |
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| 16:06.33 | Bushmills | HackeMate: the firewall traversal, yes. one method. |
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| 16:07.15 | HackeMate | okay |
| 16:08.15 | HackeMate | and a stun server works for every data, not only a certain protocol |
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| 16:09.35 | Bushmills | "every data" .. yes. connection is data agnostic. "certain protocol" .. yes. RFC describes it for TCP and UDP |
| 16:10.03 | Bushmills | the tunneled data may be anything, the tunnel doesn't care |
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| 16:11.30 | io41 | I have a source package that creates multiple binary packages, but the postinst/preinst scripts are only included/executed in one of them. Any ideas how I might create a separate postinst script for each package? |
| 16:11.55 | stew | io41: name them packagename.postinst and packagename.preinst |
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| 16:12.39 | io41 | stew: that's what I thought - but they're not getting included... at least after installing the deb, /var/lib/dpkg/info/foobar.* shows nothing. |
| 16:12.57 | io41 | (for packages foo and foobar) |
| 16:13.13 | stew | io41: can you put your debian/rules somwhere we can see it? |
| 16:13.28 | io41 | sure |
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| 16:16.33 | io41 | stew: your comment put an idea in my head - found the culprit. I was deleted a little too much during package build and accidently removed the "DEBIAN" dir for foobar. :-) Thanks a mil |
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| 16:27.48 | cire | I want to do a dd if=/dev/sda of=somefile where sda is a NTFS partition. What would you use as blocksize? Does this depend on the filesystems blocksize, or how do I find a good value? |
| 16:28.00 | cire | sorry |
| 16:28.08 | cire | where sda is a disk containing ntfs partitions |
| 16:28.30 | petemc | cire: somewhere around the cache size of the disk is often a good value, maybe 8M or more |
| 16:28.38 | stew | cire: why not just use "cp /dev/sda somefile" and be done with it? |
| 16:28.52 | stew | (cp being compiled with a decent guestimate for your arch) |
| 16:29.24 | cire | stew: I just presented a simpler example. In fact I want to do dd if=/dev/sda | gzip... |
| 16:29.31 | stew | cire: and no, it wouldn't care about contents of the block device (aka filesystem) in any case |
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| 16:30.50 | cire | okay, thanks so far |
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| 16:31.48 | alanp | Is it possible to hide all notices when doing a system upgrade? We're trying to script it but we get notices regarding obsoleted software, keymaps, restarting pam services. I would like to suppress all of these and do the default action. |
| 16:33.31 | stew | alanp: use the 'noninteractive' debian frontend (see man 7 debconf) |
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| 16:34.06 | alanp | stew: i'm using noninteractive, but i still get keymap, pam |
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| 16:39.34 | Pyista42 | what is a good mail server to use? i know good is subjective but i need something to send / recieve mail |
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| 16:40.38 | pipeline | Pyista42: the debian default is exim. Postfix is also a good choice. You probably don't want a mail server, though. |
| 16:40.52 | Pyista42 | huh? |
| 16:40.54 | pipeline | Pyista42: in general, when possible, you want to configure your local MTA to use a smarthost for all of its mail transmission |
| 16:41.01 | pipeline | Pyista42: running a mail server *sucks* |
| 16:41.08 | Pyista42 | smarthost? |
| 16:41.38 | pipeline | Pyista42: most likely the ISPs mail server. |
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| 16:41.43 | themill | !smarthost |
| 16:41.43 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically provided by your ISP), which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server, rather than directly to the recipient's server. |
| 16:42.47 | Pyista42 | this is a dedicated server.....i dont think the isp provides this ....i have setup mail servers many of times |
| 16:42.53 | Pyista42 | just was curious whats popular right now |
| 16:43.19 | stew | Pyista42: exim and postfix |
| 16:44.07 | Pyista42 | a friend told me to use qmail once i forget why |
| 16:44.29 | stew | becuase he wants you to contribute to backscatter spam? |
| 16:44.42 | Pyista42 | hmm? a bit confused |
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| 16:45.33 | stew | Pyista42: nm, that's me being snarky, the fact that its tough to make a qmail install not generate spam is the reason its currently not yet in debian (now that it is free, it was not free for a number of years, it became free when the author abandoned its development) |
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| 16:46.29 | Pyista42 | stew: exim and postfix it will be |
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| 16:47.22 | Pyista42 | i just like to check to see if anything new took the world by storm heh |
| 16:47.24 | pipeline | qmail is basically dead outside of very special purposes |
| 16:47.35 | pipeline | postfix took the world by storm about ten years ago. Steamroller won't quit. |
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| 16:47.57 | pipeline | even redhat supports postfix now; there is no excuse for anyone to use sendmail anymore ;) |
| 16:48.35 | stew | though aiui, runing sendmail is much easier than it was the last time i had to admin it (which might have been 10 years ago) |
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| 16:50.20 | Pyista42 | how about for a client? support imap? whats best for this? |
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| 16:50.41 | petemc | dovecot is very popular |
| 16:51.16 | Pyista42 | thats what i was thinking of i kept thinking of some bird just couldn't remember it |
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| 16:52.18 | eth01 | hi. i am looking to copy a folder to a remote FTP server. whats the best way to do this? |
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| 16:54.53 | stew | eth01: ncftpput? (it can do recursive with -R) |
| 16:55.21 | eth01 | package to install stew? |
| 16:55.30 | Mowee | Hey ^^ |
| 16:55.45 | stew | eth01: ncftp |
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| 17:08.17 | fasta | !skype |
| 17:08.17 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 17:08.39 | eth01 | stew, ncftpget keeps bringing up a help file ? how do i get past this page? it's like man |
| 17:08.53 | eth01 | all i get is --more-- ? |
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| 17:09.05 | fasta | Is there any piece of software that actually works of those alternatives? |
| 17:09.32 | stew | eth01: what command are you running? |
| 17:09.40 | fasta | The last time I tried Ekiga it crashed. Anyway, I am looking for Skype for sid. |
| 17:10.00 | stew | fasta: you have to get it from skype themselves, they don't allow anyone else to distribute their software |
| 17:10.03 | eth01 | stew, ncftpput -u user -p password ftp.example.com |
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| 17:10.13 | fasta | stew: but they only have lenny. |
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| 17:10.33 | stalker37 | hi all |
| 17:10.34 | stew | fasta: you'll have to ask them |
| 17:10.43 | themill | fasta: you still need to talk to them not us. The lenny version might work. Or it might not. |
| 17:11.14 | stew | eth01: you are missing the remote-directory, localfiles arguments (see man ncftpput) |
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| 17:11.25 | stew | eth01: if you want something interactive, use ncftp instead of ncftpput |
| 17:11.56 | stalker37 | who setup centos under debian xen domU? |
| 17:12.15 | stew | debian xen dom0? |
| 17:12.18 | aidan | Is there some trick I can use to run a binary on a remote server like it was on my own local server? |
| 17:12.54 | stew | aidan: what do you mean by "like it was on my local server"? do you mean local x server? |
| 17:13.46 | aidan | stew: no, I have a binary (tesseract) which took me 3 hours to compile on a remote FS ... I don't want to recompile on my local environment but I want to play with it while I test some stuff |
| 17:14.14 | stew | aidan: what do you mean by "like it was on my local server" ? |
| 17:14.24 | stew | aidan: how is that different than just running it on the remote server? |
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| 17:15.20 | Bartzy | I have a 'sysstat' service... what is it ? |
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| 17:15.38 | stew | Bartzy: apt-cache show sysstat |
| 17:17.21 | Bartzy | stew: Oh... it actually has a service ? :| |
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| 17:17.26 | stalker37 | uhuhu |
| 17:17.27 | stew | Bartzy: optionally |
| 17:17.41 | Bartzy | stew: What for ? sar monitoring ? |
| 17:18.29 | Bartzy | nm I undestood.. |
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| 17:18.48 | Bartzy | another question if I'm at it :p Where's the syslog conf file ? It doesn't have a daemon too ? |
| 17:19.00 | stew | Bartzy: it appears to run the sa1 script which has a manpage |
| 17:19.12 | stew | Bartzy: which syslog daemon do you use? |
| 17:19.18 | eth01 | stew, ncftpput -u user1 -p password ftp.example.com /test1 /test2 -- should work ok? |
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| 17:19.43 | Bartzy | stew: How can I check that ? The debian default I guess ? |
| 17:19.43 | aidan | stew: I want it to act on a local file, and spit the results to a local stdout |
| 17:19.43 | stew | eth01: without -R i don't know what that would do if /test2 is a directory |
| 17:20.17 | stew | Bartzy: aptitude search '~i~Psystem-log-daemon' |
| 17:20.40 | Bartzy | rsyslog.. is that ok ? |
| 17:21.48 | stew | Bartzy: its config is in /etc/rsyslog.conf yes, it has a daemon, /usr/sbin/rsyslogd (you could probably figure this out from "dpkg -L rsyslog") |
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| 17:22.08 | stew | aidan: you could do this with ssh if the binary will work with stdin/stdout |
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| 17:22.53 | Bartzy | I direct iptables logging to warning.. so it's probably kern.warn ? How can I redirect it to /var/log/firewall ? |
| 17:23.01 | fasta | How can I run xclock as a different user via ssh -X if I do have a root account, but I don't have the password of this different user? |
| 17:23.20 | fasta | I get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 17:23.23 | blip2 | fasta: sudo |
| 17:23.33 | blip2 | ah yes |
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| 17:23.49 | blip2 | good question :P |
| 17:24.24 | fasta | I could change the password temporarily, of course, but that's cheating. |
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| 17:25.34 | stew | fasta: install a authorized key? |
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| 17:26.28 | fasta | stew: and then ssh to localhost (which is the remote host)? |
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| 17:26.54 | fasta | stew: that could work, but I don't see why X doesn't 'just work'. |
| 17:27.00 | Bartzy | stew: Doing kern.warning /var/log/firewall.log , kern.warning ~ , *.* /var/log/messages should work ? |
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| 17:28.42 | stew | fasta: if you want to get down and dirty with xauth to make it work, see /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 17:28.45 | stuckey | If I want a drive to be mounted at login, what does the fstab entry need to look like? Will this do it: /dev/sdc1/mnt/western auto rw,user,auto 0 0 |
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| 17:28.58 | fasta | stew: I just want it to work for now and forever. |
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| 17:29.13 | fasta | stew: everytime I do something lilke this I have to reinvent the wheel. |
| 17:29.22 | stew | Bartzy: that would get ALL kernel warnings into that file, if you want ONLY firewall warnings, have iptables use a different facility (like local1 or something) |
| 17:29.34 | fasta | Is there some huge design flaw in X or something like that? |
| 17:29.42 | fasta | I am root, what more right does it need? |
| 17:29.46 | fasta | rights* |
| 17:29.48 | Bartzy | stew: How do I do that ? :| |
| 17:30.08 | stew | fasta: when you run xclock as root it doesn't work? |
| 17:30.09 | Bartzy | stew: Also, the *.* /var/log/messages isn't too smart (I copied that from ServerFault) ? |
| 17:30.16 | stew | fasta: I thought the problem was with non-root? |
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| 17:30.35 | fasta | stew: no, when I first su foobar and then run xclock. |
| 17:30.42 | fasta | stew: it should simply inherit the credentials. |
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| 17:30.54 | fasta | stew: that seems a very basic security mechanism. |
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| 17:31.44 | fasta | stew: Is something like that not possible? |
| 17:32.00 | stew | Bartzy: *shrug*, that would go in /var/log/syslog by default on debian (messages on redhat), its neither really smart or unsmart, but its a good idea to make sure no log messages are ever thrown away |
| 17:32.26 | themill | fasta: are you looking for sux? You can do this manually with xauth too. |
| 17:32.27 | stew | fasta: yes, not inheriting the credentials is a deliberate security mechanism |
| 17:32.35 | Bartzy | stew: I don't think it's possible to specify a logging facility for ip tables.. |
| 17:32.51 | Bartzy | stew: So I'll just use kern.warning ? |
| 17:32.54 | stew | fasta: giving non-root users root credentials unintentinoally would be a security flaw |
| 17:33.34 | fasta | stew: it's not that a non-root user is given root credentials. It is someone who logged in as root who then went to a lower security level. |
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| 17:33.40 | fasta | stew: so, it's still root. |
| 17:33.44 | eth01 | stew, ncftpput /osticket: no valid files were specified. - -R is on the line |
| 17:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of a way to monitor or test a fax server? I have one that has problems every couple of months or so and the client wants it to be "more reliable". |
| 17:33.58 | fasta | stew: it's a different environment, or at least it should be. |
| 17:34.07 | stew | fasta: yes, it is. you want a non-root user to use root's credentials with the x server |
| 17:34.08 | Bushmills | fasta: ssh -Y host .. |
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| 17:34.20 | stew | fasta: and no, after su, its no longer root |
| 17:34.31 | fasta | themill: I think I used sux before and wasted hours on it, and in the end it still didn't work. |
| 17:35.14 | fasta | stew: yes, I understand that it isn't. I am just saying that there should be a way in which that xclock can appear on my screen via a few indirections via ssh. |
| 17:35.39 | stew | fasta: ssh -X user@remotehost xclock |
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| 17:35.57 | fasta | stew: but I don't have the user password. |
| 17:36.09 | stew | fasta: then user an ssh-key |
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| 17:36.42 | fasta | stew: that means that for every user I want to ssh to I need to copy my key, that's just wasting diskspace. |
| 17:36.54 | fasta | stew: a small number, but it's a design failure. |
| 17:37.01 | stew | fasta: then use sux |
| 17:37.10 | fasta | stew: sux didn't work last time. |
| 17:37.10 | stew | fasta: or XAUTHORITY environment varialbe |
| 17:37.23 | stew | fasta: or /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 17:37.34 | stew | fasta: be more specific than "didn't work" |
| 17:38.08 | stew | fasta: is a couple hundred bytes of disk space per user really non-negligable? |
| 17:38.19 | fasta | stew: ok, I know it didn't work. Now it does work. Thanks. sux does work. |
| 17:38.48 | fasta | stew: imho, it's more about the general principle. |
| 17:39.18 | fasta | stew: a system can be designed elegantly or not. sux scales. Copying keys creates a maintainance hell. |
| 17:39.38 | Bushmills | ah, the principle of "it must work, even without researching the requirements or looking at the docs - otherwise i'll call it 'design flaw'" |
| 17:39.43 | stew | fasta: your reasoning about the general principle is contradictory. you are saying "su isn't switching to a different user, its trying to lower privileges, but for some reason, i lose privileges after I do it" |
| 17:40.17 | fasta | Bushmills: again, sux didn't work last time. |
| 17:40.29 | Bushmills | calls it "documentation retrieval and absorbion flaw" |
| 17:40.29 | stew | fasta: again, "didn't work" is useless to us |
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| 17:47.20 | delby | where is the default home page for iceweasel defined? |
| 17:48.19 | stew | delby: edit->preferences->main tab |
| 17:49.34 | delby | stew: yes, but where is the file that defines what happens when i press 'restore to default'? |
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| 17:50.53 | stew | delby: i don't know, probably in the source |
| 17:52.58 | stew | delby: actually it looks like usr/share/iceweasel/browserconfig.properties |
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| 17:56.00 | delby | stew: thank you very very much. been trying to figure it out for hours :) |
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| 17:57.12 | stew | delby: fwiw, i found it with: dpkg -L iceweasel | xargs grep 'home.*about' |
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| 17:59.48 | delby | stew: there are many powerful tools i do not no how to use yet. thanks for the tip. |
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| 18:00.48 | twantakur | hello .. need help please . i got some string '<span class=bld>0.5000 USD</span>'. how do i echo the '0.5000 USD'? |
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| 18:04.11 | Bushmills | sed 's/.*bld>//;s/<\/sp.*//' <<< '<span class=bld>0.5000 USD</span>' # may be one way |
| 18:04.22 | twantakur | thanks |
| 18:04.31 | twantakur | linux rocks |
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| 18:08.33 | Bushmills | with bash, you can do var='<span class=bld>0.5000 USD</span>'; var=${var#*>}; echo ${var%<*} |
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| 18:11.04 | sdk | Quick question- in the xinitrc, how would I tell X to start a term on a particular desktop? |
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| 18:12.23 | Bushmills | or var='<span class=bld>0.5000 USD</span>'; re='>.*<'; [[ $var =~ $re ]]; tr -d '<>' <<< ${BASH_REMATCH} |
| 18:12.34 | sdk | Or any app for that matter.. i would like iceweasel/Ff to start on desktop 0, three terms on desktop 1, etc. |
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| 18:13.35 | sdk | Hrm.. apparently the entire #debian channel is out to lunch. :) |
| 18:14.06 | xyan | apperently thats more a thing for a session manager like gnome-session not xinit |
| 18:14.36 | stew | "which desktop" is somehting the window manager would be deciding |
| 18:15.07 | sdk | xyan: understood, however it should be across interfaces. I'll be configuring it on several systems, so was hoping for a universal solution. |
| 18:15.53 | sdk | stew: xyan: Good enough. I'll search around for a WM based command. Thanks folks. |
| 18:16.04 | sdk | err.. s/interfaces/installations/g |
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| 18:16.38 | homie | was there a reason to remove the rv5xx based cards to remove from the fglrx-driver ? |
| 18:16.59 | homie | man i can't get the drivers to work here |
| 18:17.01 | xyan | sdk: with fluxbox for instance theres an apps file where you can configure which app ends up where and a startup file to start it with fluxbox. so good luck finding the universal solution :) |
| 18:17.05 | homie | anyone running them on testing ? |
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| 18:17.16 | homie | squeeze? |
| 18:17.16 | Shikari | ._. |
| 18:17.42 | stew | homie: you'd have to ask ati themselves why they make such changes |
| 18:17.55 | rozie | homie: which card? I belive ati/amd are lazy |
| 18:18.21 | homie | X1550 |
| 18:19.06 | homie | neither their proper drivers will work here with the testing Xorg and kernel |
| 18:19.08 | stew | sdk: you mean you need a solution that works no matter what window manager the system uses? |
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| 18:19.33 | homie | totally hornboxing the users really |
| 18:19.38 | homie | really evil |
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| 18:19.43 | xyan | homie: stick to the radeonhd driver it works nice with r5xx-r7xx based cards nowadays |
| 18:20.14 | homie | xyan: i'll test it ok |
| 18:20.20 | rozie | homie: well, my radeon X1600 works well on open driver. radeon, not radeonhd one |
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| 18:20.52 | homie | it's not about radeon, the radeon driver does not utilize 3d |
| 18:21.02 | sdk | stew: mainly. I have two servers running Ubu, my personal box running Debian and a kiosk system running Debian. When I log into any of them, I am hoping to get a few terms to start and a browser. Just to make it easier for me to work is all. |
| 18:21.17 | homie | only 2d afaik |
| 18:21.24 | rozie | well, I'm almost sure I have 3D acceleration |
| 18:21.37 | rozie | can check tomorrow |
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| 18:22.09 | rozie | well, for sure they have 3D |
| 18:22.20 | rozie | I played world of goo on this machine |
| 18:22.22 | rozie | ;) |
| 18:22.26 | homie | i checked my 3d too, the radeon driver does seem to have either incorporated somethings or i installed something else which enabled 3d but the thing is it's doggy slow here |
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| 18:22.36 | sdk | stew: my personal system is running E17, the kiosk is running Gnome, as well as the servers. |
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| 18:23.23 | stew | sdk: i don't believe that what you want to do is possible |
| 18:24.11 | sdk | so a non-distro, non-WM dependent solution would be best. Ok, np, just thought I'd ask. I couldnt find anything on the 'Net, so #debian is where to go if you can't find the answer anywhere else. :) |
| 18:24.14 | rozie | homie: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 18:24.23 | rozie | take a look on Status 09/2010 |
| 18:24.25 | rozie | ;-) |
| 18:24.30 | stew | sdk: if there is a way, its probably going to be via icccm |
| 18:25.00 | HuntingBears | Hi everyone, were can i report a irregularty with the package base-files? |
| 18:25.05 | HuntingBears | where* |
| 18:25.06 | stew | (and that is then only going to work for window managers implementing icccm) |
| 18:25.15 | stew | HuntingBears: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:25.21 | xyan | sdk: take a look at wmctrl might be helpful |
| 18:25.23 | stew | HuntingBears: but what is the irregularity? it might be expected |
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| 18:26.33 | sdk | stew: xyan: Beauty, will check out both of those. Thanks! |
| 18:26.49 | HuntingBears | stew, i don't know, maybe i'm wrong... but in the last upgrade, the developer didn't make any changes to the package |
| 18:26.50 | rozie | btw, anybody who knows mpd well (won't abuse word hacker)? |
| 18:27.08 | HuntingBears | stew, only added a few spaces |
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| 18:27.20 | stew | HuntingBears: have you looked at the changelog? |
| 18:27.29 | stew | HuntingBears: for lenny? |
| 18:27.37 | rozie | have problem with one radio stream - plays in mplayer, fails in mpd |
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| 18:28.29 | stew | HuntingBears: the last version would be the point release from 5.0.6 to 5.0.7 |
| 18:28.42 | HuntingBears | stew, well, no... i'm working with the lenny-sid version |
| 18:28.52 | HuntingBears | stew, you can see here -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601746 |
| 18:29.07 | HuntingBears | stew, that he made that upgrate for closing a bug |
| 18:29.10 | abrotman | lenny-sid version ? |
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| 18:29.48 | HuntingBears | stew, but, the thing is, i don't find any way to see a diff or something |
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| 18:30.13 | HuntingBears | stew, so i did it manually with a recursive diff |
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| 18:31.04 | HuntingBears | stew, i'm just trying to see if he made a mistake with the upgrade or that those few spaces were actually the upgrade |
| 18:31.05 | stew | "Changed postinst to not reset /var/run/utmp permissions on every upgrade t is definitely not base-files business to change the permissions of..." |
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| 18:31.32 | stew | HuntingBears: you did a recursive diff on what? the source package? the data.tar.gz? |
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| 18:32.55 | HuntingBears | stew, yeah, i see that, but here's the actual difference -> http://notas.canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/179 |
| 18:33.14 | HuntingBears | stew, a recursive diff on the source package, right |
| 18:33.38 | HuntingBears | stew, between last version and the actual |
| 18:34.14 | stew | HuntingBears: add -w to your diff so you can see more easily that a fi moved |
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| 18:34.59 | stew | HuntingBears: http://paste.debian.net/101259/ |
| 18:36.01 | HuntingBears | :O |
| 18:36.09 | HuntingBears | oh, you're right |
| 18:36.16 | HuntingBears | thank you |
| 18:36.43 | HuntingBears | stew, my mistake |
| 18:36.46 | stew | (and -u makes more readable diffs :) ) |
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| 18:45.01 | CuteAlien | Hi, my dist-upgrade in lenny yesterday wrecked the proprietary nvidia driver. And I fail this time at updating as it doesn't seem to manage to add the driver again while it's loaded already (only fbnvidia is loaded and I can't unload it). Anyone here who had the same problem, but already solved it and got me some idea? |
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| 18:45.28 | sfjkg | guys, i have a strange machine to install debian on. |
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| 18:46.06 | sfjkg | it has wingdoze on, and a hard drive... the only ways to install on. |
| 18:46.23 | sfjkg | so, is there a windows based installer for debian? |
| 18:46.41 | stew | sfjkg: it can't boot from usb? |
| 18:46.44 | Bushmills | no usb? bootable from it? |
| 18:46.56 | sfjkg | no, unfortunately itdoesnt boot from it |
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| 18:47.31 | Bushmills | temporarily connecting a cdrom drive would do |
| 18:47.48 | sfjkg | it cant do cd, already tried :| |
| 18:48.07 | sfjkg | its a panasonic toughbook CF-M34 laptop |
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| 18:49.15 | stew | sfjkg: do you have a spare partition on it? do you wish to retain your windows install or completely replace it? |
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| 18:49.52 | sfjkg | stew: no spare partition, and keep windows |
| 18:50.18 | sfjkg | normally i'd say no,but this laptop has car diagnostic tools on it |
| 18:50.33 | stew | sfjkg: can you get the hard drive out and put it in another machine to do the install? |
| 18:50.46 | Bushmills | boot a cd with linux from a vm |
| 18:51.03 | Bushmills | (cd image, written to disk, that is) |
| 18:51.24 | stew | Bushmills: you want him to resize the windows partition from a vm inside the running windows install? |
| 18:51.40 | Bushmills | no. i want him to copy a cd image to windows partition |
| 18:51.48 | stew | Bushmills: and then? |
| 18:51.52 | sfjkg | if i have to use a vm on the laptop, its gonna be fun because its only 700nhz |
| 18:51.55 | Bushmills | and then run something like vmware, to boot from it. |
| 18:51.57 | sfjkg | *mhz |
| 18:52.02 | stew | Bushmills: and then? |
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| 18:52.09 | Bushmills | then he has linux running |
| 18:52.27 | stew | Bushmills: oh, instead of what he is currently after which is "install debian"? |
| 18:52.40 | Bushmills | right. want to keep windows, etc... |
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| 18:53.00 | Bushmills | qemu should be an alternative |
| 18:53.05 | sfjkg | meh, im gonna take the hdd out, pop it into a big laptop, and install a basic debian |
| 18:53.16 | sfjkg | vms aren't gonna work |
| 18:53.25 | stew | there is colinux... |
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| 18:54.07 | stew | sfjkg: if you are going to be resizing the windows install to fit linux on it, it would probably be wise to make a backup first |
| 18:54.20 | ondrejk | hi, im looking for debian based free shell service, does anybody have a tip? |
| 18:54.50 | Bushmills | ondrejk: your debian computer |
| 18:55.21 | ondrejk | well, my debian computer isn't running all day |
| 18:55.31 | ondrejk | im looking for something like bshellz.net |
| 18:55.38 | Bushmills | that's only because you turn it off :) |
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| 18:55.52 | ondrejk | Bushmills: that would be it :) |
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| 18:56.05 | ondrejk | also i doesnt always have public ip |
| 18:56.24 | stew | ondrejk: how about bshellz.net? |
| 18:56.54 | ondrejk | stew: im already trying that but it seems terribly slow sometimes .. |
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| 19:09.22 | hid3 | The God uses Debian too. |
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| 19:09.53 | kermitfrog | Hello.. i just setup a new debian server ( vps ) and im doing x over ssh ( thats how im on right now ) but i have issues with running a full desktop over ssh.. is anyone here experianced with that? Also xorg is setup correctly afaik, and the wm is openbox |
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| 19:10.34 | kermitfrog | gives me an error about the display |
| 19:10.45 | kermitfrog | when i echo it, its set to " " |
| 19:12.07 | stew | kermitfrog: first there is the obvious "why do you want to run x on a server" |
| 19:12.23 | kermitfrog | think "cloud computing" |
| 19:12.39 | kermitfrog | i have other servers i only use for server purposes |
| 19:12.40 | stew | but aside from that, what do you mean by "xorg is setup correctly" xorg on which machine? you aren't trying to setup xorg on the remote machine, are you? |
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| 19:13.02 | kermitfrog | xorg is setup on the remote machine |
| 19:13.12 | stew | "cloud computing" is just a way for ISPs to sell you virtual machines by confusing you into thinking they are more than that, right? |
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| 19:13.19 | kermitfrog | i know |
| 19:13.24 | kermitfrog | cloud = internet |
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| 19:13.38 | kermitfrog | i just want to have access to a remote desktop on it over ssh |
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| 19:13.59 | kermitfrog | i tried to do it the "desktop" way, but that only causes kernel panics |
| 19:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | So you want a full GUI login and desktop as opposed to just having individual applications forwarded? |
| 19:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | !xauth |
| 19:14.07 | dpkg | xauth is, like, the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program was in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch), now in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 19:14.10 | abrotman | i thought the normal method was vnc over ssh ? |
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| 19:14.58 | kermitfrog | jhutchins, yes |
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| 19:15.22 | kermitfrog | i know it can be done :) |
| 19:15.34 | stew | kermitfrog: why not just use a vnc server instead of xorg? |
| 19:15.42 | kermitfrog | i tried |
| 19:15.46 | kermitfrog | kernel panic |
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| 19:15.52 | kermitfrog | i guess its cuz its a vps |
| 19:16.00 | kermitfrog | openvz |
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| 19:16.53 | kermitfrog | if i could just vnc in and type startx it would do too |
| 19:17.00 | stew | it doesn't really make sense to probe the local hardware for graphics cards and monitor sizes and such, which is what xorg is going to do |
| 19:17.27 | stew | kermitfrog: which vnc server did you try to use? |
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| 19:17.46 | kermitfrog | hmm so im doing wrong by trying to run the remote xorg? |
| 19:18.05 | hXm | can i create a new user and select a different home? |
| 19:18.38 | kermitfrog | stew, i tried a few, but the distro itself kernel paniced |
| 19:18.48 | kermitfrog | is there a cli one? |
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| 19:19.08 | stew | they are all cli ones, aren't they? |
| 19:19.17 | kermitfrog | dont think so? |
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| 19:19.44 | kermitfrog | anyways what i tried to do the first time was to install a full desktop ( gnome ) |
| 19:19.48 | kermitfrog | failed badly :P |
| 19:19.52 | stew | kermitfrog: so you tried a few different vnc servers, and all of them resulted in the same thing, a kernel panic? |
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| 19:20.17 | kermitfrog | i dont think its the vnc servers themselves that do it |
| 19:20.23 | kermitfrog | but the vps |
| 19:20.44 | stew | kermitfrog: can you tell me one of the vnc servers that you tried? |
| 19:20.50 | kermitfrog | tried to get freenx on debian, to hard tho |
| 19:20.56 | kermitfrog | i will need to go check |
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| 19:21.15 | kermitfrog | i dont really like vnc so.. |
| 19:21.21 | stew | so |
| 19:21.42 | stew | so you want to actually run xorg? |
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| 19:21.48 | krisfremen | what's wrong with vnc? |
| 19:21.59 | kermitfrog | to short passwords? |
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| 19:22.08 | krisfremen | run them through a ssh tunnel |
| 19:22.23 | kermitfrog | thightvnc was one of those that i ran |
| 19:22.42 | kermitfrog | anyways stew i dont know if i want to run xorg on the remote server |
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| 19:22.52 | kermitfrog | just wanted to setup a remote desktop |
| 19:23.31 | kermitfrog | stew, so if i remove xorg, i can still do x over ssh ? |
| 19:24.13 | thewanderer1 | hi, does UDP broadcast require me to be root? |
| 19:24.36 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: X11 forwarding works over SSH without X server running on the remote end. |
| 19:24.50 | kermitfrog | ah that helps alot |
| 19:24.53 | kermitfrog | lemme remove it hehe |
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| 19:25.18 | stew | kermitfrog: yes, or you can run vnc to a vnc based x server over ssh |
| 19:25.26 | factor | Has anyone gotten GoogleEarth 6 workingon Debian |
| 19:25.37 | stew | kermitfrog: what kind of graphics hardware does the remote machine have? what resolution is it capable of? |
| 19:26.03 | thewanderer1 | stew: I really doubt if that matters |
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| 19:26.20 | thewanderer1 | I'm pretty sure I was able to run remote X11 without any GPU... |
| 19:26.26 | kermitfrog | stew, none afaik.. its a server |
| 19:26.34 | kermitfrog | i just got a vps on it |
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| 19:27.16 | stew | thewanderer1: if he wants to run an xorg server it does, which is what he seems to want to do |
| 19:27.17 | thewanderer1 | well kermitfrog, with most container-based virtualization solutions you will not be able to run an X server inside, so VNC server instead of X.org running or X11 over SSH are the only solutions |
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| 19:27.37 | stew | kermitfrog: if it doesn't have a graphics card, you can't run an xorg server on it |
| 19:27.49 | kermitfrog | xorg is removed |
| 19:27.53 | stew | thewanderer1: (that is the point I was trying to drive home) |
| 19:28.01 | kermitfrog | im still on tho hehe |
| 19:28.03 | aliudalius | how can I customize my keyboard so that 'Option' behaves like 'Control' and the 'Windows' key behaves like 'Alt'? |
| 19:28.32 | aliudalius | emacs is unusuable with my current keyboard layout. |
| 19:28.37 | kermitfrog | thewanderer1, so i have to install vnc? |
| 19:28.40 | cahoot | aliudalius: by creating a .Xmodmap |
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| 19:28.51 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: if you want to connect from VNC clients, yes |
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| 19:29.07 | hXm | sorry, I have a acer aspire one flash, it is ridiculously slow. I want to translate the home to the SD stick |
| 19:29.09 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: or if you like non-free crappy blobs of software, you can try NX instead |
| 19:29.10 | kermitfrog | i can live with that |
| 19:29.11 | hXm | is it possible without format? |
| 19:29.24 | aliudalius | cahoot: thanks, looking into it. |
| 19:29.26 | kermitfrog | i did try to get FreeNX on debian |
| 19:29.27 | kermitfrog | kinda hard |
| 19:29.33 | hXm | hard? |
| 19:29.35 | hXm | it is very easy |
| 19:29.43 | hXm | download all those .deb and install one per one |
| 19:29.47 | kermitfrog | with archlinux its like 14mb and a few command and it works |
| 19:30.00 | kermitfrog | on debian all repo's i have found are dead links |
| 19:30.02 | thewanderer1 | hXm: it's certainly possible to move your home partition to an external medium |
| 19:30.07 | kermitfrog | and show like 64mb |
| 19:30.24 | hXm | thewanderer1: but where i say to debian my home is now in another place instead /home/user? |
| 19:30.31 | hXm | or just create a symbolic link? |
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| 19:31.03 | kermitfrog | thewanderer1, do you recommend any cli based vnc server? |
| 19:31.10 | thewanderer1 | hXm: you just mount it under that place! |
| 19:31.19 | hXm | ah! is it in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:31.26 | thewanderer1 | so it's not really in another place, it's still there. yes, /etc/fstab. |
| 19:31.26 | hXm | so easy like that? |
| 19:31.37 | hXm | wow,thanks |
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| 19:32.04 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: no, I don't really ever use VNC, only X-over-SSH |
| 19:32.34 | kermitfrog | i guess i can do what i want on my local server |
| 19:32.39 | kermitfrog | it has a gpu etc :) |
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| 19:33.02 | stew | kermitfrog: why do you want to run X on a server? |
| 19:33.08 | thewanderer1 | locally, XDMCP might be a better solution than VNC, if you trust the network |
| 19:33.15 | kermitfrog | i have removed xorg stew |
| 19:33.25 | kermitfrog | just want to connect to the server and load up openbox |
| 19:33.38 | stew | why do you want openbox running on the server? |
| 19:33.47 | kermitfrog | for a desktop :) |
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| 19:34.00 | stew | please ignore that spam |
| 19:34.01 | shahri | SASL, you guys |
| 19:34.02 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: so you really want a terminal server with thin clients attached? |
| 19:34.12 | kermitfrog | yea |
| 19:34.27 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: well, do you have thin clients or fat clients that you pretend to be on a diet? :P |
| 19:34.52 | kermitfrog | hehe i dunno |
| 19:34.53 | stew | kermitfrog: why do you care that the openbox is running on a remote server instead of your local machine? |
| 19:34.56 | kermitfrog | first time i even try this |
| 19:35.13 | kermitfrog | stew, it can load on my local machine too |
| 19:35.13 | Laptop_Brain | yay SASL |
| 19:35.24 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: if you have "desktop PC's" to use as clients, you should consider netboot instead of a terminal server |
| 19:35.24 | kermitfrog | as long as everything is computing on the remote server |
| 19:35.26 | factor | they keep saying that , but you dont have to |
| 19:35.42 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: do you need to compute on the server? I'd use the clients for that, really |
| 19:35.45 | Lns | is on a thin client right now using debian/ltsp |
| 19:35.49 | thewanderer1 | a hybrid approach is my favourite |
| 19:36.06 | thewanderer1 | run light apps on the client, resource-intensive on the server over SSH+X11 |
| 19:36.16 | kermitfrog | well this is for when im out and about, and maybe end up on a windows machine somewhere |
| 19:36.18 | stew | kermitfrog: openbox isn't really so much computing that i'd worry much about where it runs |
| 19:36.25 | kermitfrog | i want to be able to login and use a linux desktop |
| 19:36.57 | kermitfrog | stew, i dont care where it runs, as long as its on the server the magic is going on |
| 19:37.14 | kermitfrog | i cant go around installing openbox on other people's computers and gov machines |
| 19:37.35 | Lns | kermitfrog: how about a bootcd/usb key that has your apps installed? |
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| 19:37.45 | datacrusher | no thanks |
| 19:37.49 | Lns | but like others have said, vnc/nx would be your best bet probably |
| 19:38.00 | xlotlu | Laptop_Brain: I wonder why the guy / guys are so determined. they've been trolling with this for a few weeks now |
| 19:38.04 | Lns | if you're simply wanting to connect to a remote server and do work on it |
| 19:38.07 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: go for LTSP, it's good enough in local environments |
| 19:38.14 | kermitfrog | wount do lns, i guess vnc is the way to go |
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| 19:38.24 | thewanderer1 | you don't even have to care about VNC, NX, SSH or any other acronyms :P |
| 19:38.28 | kermitfrog | lemme chec that out |
| 19:38.37 | kermitfrog | check* |
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| 19:38.44 | Lns | thewanderer1: ltsp is insufficient if you're outside a local LAN |
| 19:38.49 | thewanderer1 | Lns: true |
| 19:38.52 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ltsp boots the local machine from the server - that's not what he's after. |
| 19:39.07 | kermitfrog | damn spammers |
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| 19:39.21 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: well, LTSP also creates a remote terminal server to connect to (hence the name :P ) |
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| 19:39.28 | Laptop_Brain | :) |
| 19:39.40 | thewanderer1 | LTSP is all about offloading the processing to the server, so it kind of fits the case |
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| 19:39.52 | pickcoder | things would be so boring without them tho |
| 19:39.53 | kermitfrog | it seems to do |
| 19:39.59 | kermitfrog | lemme go read abit about it :) |
| 19:40.00 | Lns | thewanderer1: X is the remote terminal server, no need for ltsp - you could even use xwing (is that what it's called?) for a remote X session without the other LTSP bits |
| 19:40.08 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: No, it's not. Processing is local. |
| 19:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Suggest you learn more about it before offering advice and opinions. |
| 19:40.50 | jhutchins_lt | runs an ltsp server at home. |
| 19:41.07 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: of course it can run apps locally - it's configurable |
| 19:41.20 | jhutchins_lt | kermitfrog: ltsp is not what you want. |
| 19:41.25 | kermitfrog | ok |
| 19:41.52 | Lns | jhutchins: i do too =) running debian on it? |
| 19:42.06 | Lns | (i switched from ubuntu ltsp a couple months ago, loving it) |
| 19:43.10 | kermitfrog | btw i cant use http as a "display" right? |
| 19:43.25 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: there are HTTP VNC clients |
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| 19:43.48 | thewanderer1 | serverâs X session (normally handled by LDM). |
| 19:44.13 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't call that "local processing" if we're connected to remote X11, so let's not rule LTSP out for this case |
| 19:44.26 | kermitfrog | wait a second i might have an idea... if do a network boot from the server.. then i guess i can use vbox? |
| 19:44.29 | kermitfrog | will that do? |
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| 19:44.41 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: like what? on the server, or on the clients? |
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| 19:45.18 | kermitfrog | like have vbox on the client, and do a network boot from the server |
| 19:45.23 | kermitfrog | just inside vbox |
| 19:45.26 | jhutchins_lt | Lns: Yeah, it's been Debian from the start (in Etch). |
| 19:45.28 | thewanderer1 | well, it's possible, but what for? :P |
| 19:45.41 | kermitfrog | it would do the same i guess? |
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| 19:45.45 | CuteAlien | *sigh* after 2 hours on console I figure out the reason X no longer starts is not a messed up driver but that I suddenly have a etc/modprobe.conf which messed up my blacklisted drivers |
| 19:46.00 | thewanderer1 | kermitfrog: you would sacrifice performance |
| 19:46.09 | kermitfrog | ah |
| 19:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ltsp is totally inappropriate in a WAN setting. |
| 19:46.22 | Lns | +1 jhutchins |
| 19:46.35 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: ok. so is VNC for serious work, so I guess NX or SSH is left... |
| 19:46.51 | kermitfrog | anyways i guess i can do the ghetto way instead and use my homeserver |
| 19:46.56 | Lns | LTSP is for multiple terminals to connect to a terminal/X server. Not for a simple remote access solution for a single person. |
| 19:46.56 | thewanderer1 | (unless you tunnel VNC over a very well-compressed SSH) |
| 19:46.57 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: vnc may be a solution for him. |
| 19:47.00 | kermitfrog | getting a 90/90 line soon anyways |
| 19:47.26 | lelu | hey people. im having problems with apc running on debian. If i leave it as apt-get installed it with just 30MB cache, it gets filled up very quickly and fragmentation jumps to 100%. however when i edit apc.ini and add apc.shm_size=64 below extension=apc.so the cache doesn't seem to get used at all and applications slow right down. |
| 19:47.41 | thewanderer1 | well, with link bandwidths approaching Fast Ethernet, VNC sounds like a viable choice |
| 19:48.20 | kermitfrog | yea, but thanks for all you guys advices anyways |
| 19:48.28 | kermitfrog | i did learn something here :) |
| 19:48.57 | kermitfrog | my homeserver is full cli anyways, since i kinda use it as a workstation |
| 19:49.01 | kermitfrog | err |
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| 19:49.05 | kermitfrog | full UI* |
| 19:53.22 | abrotman | looks around for MsPiggy |
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| 19:53.58 | norbert_ | hi, I'm using Lenny and seem to be unable to apt-get install mencoder |
| 19:54.19 | norbert_ | I have debian-multimedia, but are not able to get it from these repositories either |
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| 19:54.34 | norbert_ | should I download/compile/link the source from mplayerhq.hu? |
| 19:54.35 | kristian-aalborg | hi ppl |
| 19:54.56 | dkr | norbert_: "not able" means what exactly? there is an error downloading it? |
| 19:55.01 | kristian-aalborg | attempting to do a netinstall on a thinkpad 770 - |
| 19:55.20 | norbert_ | apt-get says: "Package mencoder is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 19:55.45 | norbert_ | apt-cache search mencoder returns only vstream-client(-dev) |
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| 19:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mencoder |
| 19:56.34 | judd | Package mencoder on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny4; sid: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; experimental: 2:1.0~rc4~try1.dsfg1-1 |
| 19:56.43 | kristian-aalborg | I may or may not ask some panicky questions soon, depending on my success ;) |
| 19:56.52 | jelly-home | norbert_: are you sure your sources.list are correct and an aptitude update was run? |
| 19:57.18 | norbert_ | yes, I ran apt-get update before I tried it and my sources.list is quite complete |
| 19:57.19 | jelly-home | norbert_: care to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:57.47 | michlemken | what laptop you recommend? |
| 19:57.54 | abrotman | for what? |
| 19:57.57 | jelly-home | norbert_: are you using an unusual architecture perhaps, then, not available there? (dpkg --print-architecture) |
| 19:58.00 | norbert_ | http://debian.pastebin.com/5zVgghid |
| 19:58.29 | norbert_ | i386 |
| 19:58.40 | Bushmills | norbert_: not sure what your're doing, because mencoder for stable is on multimedia: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/package/mencoder.php |
| 19:58.57 | michlemken | abrotman, to install debian on it |
| 19:58.59 | jelly-home | norbert_: there's no debian multimedia repo configured at all in that output |
| 19:59.27 | dkr | shocking |
| 19:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | norbert_: Also backports.org is deprecated, you should switch to backports.debian.org |
| 19:59.53 | norbert_ | wth |
| 19:59.54 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell norbert_ about bdo |
| 20:00.04 | norbert_ | why did debian-multimedia disappear from my sources.list |
| 20:00.15 | jhutchins_lt | michlemken: I have an Acer One that's running squeeze pretty flawlessly, all accessories functional. |
| 20:00.20 | norbert_ | strange stuff, anyways, I'll readd it; thanks |
| 20:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | michlemken: All function keys work, |
| 20:00.23 | kristian-aalborg | halp |
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| 20:00.43 | dkr | !tell norbert_ about dmm lenny |
| 20:00.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell norbert_ about dmm |
| 20:00.48 | kristian-aalborg | I chose "largest available free space" |
| 20:00.49 | jhutchins_lt | !tell norbert_ about bdo |
| 20:01.16 | kristian-aalborg | I already have slitaz on the box... can't figure out if I'm overwriting it |
| 20:03.09 | kristian-aalborg | should it not warn, or perhaps that's only done when writing grub? |
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| 20:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Well, you said you chose free space, that should mean not space already used for slitaz |
| 20:15.39 | kristian-aalborg | goodie |
| 20:16.15 | kristian-aalborg | if it's not working, I seem to have borked something good and a reinstall might be a good idea |
| 20:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: It _will_ overwrite grub, but it should detect & include slitaz |
| 20:16.30 | kristian-aalborg | yup |
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| 20:20.18 | sfjkg | 'sup? Ive got a sub-laptop that needs debian. Only way to get it on, is pxe boot. My only running machine, is, unfortunately, windows. Can I setup a pxe-server on my windows box, and send a debian install over pxe? |
| 20:21.13 | G_O_D1 | does anyone has a sony vaio with atheros and marvell yukon network interfaces? |
| 20:22.00 | pickcoder | sfjkg: usb-install maybe? |
| 20:22.31 | sfjkg | its not usb bootable. as i said, only way to get debian on, is via pxe |
| 20:23.09 | sfjkg | its got 16gb of flash storage soldered onto the mobo, so i can't exactly put that in a hdd caddy either |
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| 20:27.19 | babilen | sfjkg: If you can setup a tftp/dhcp server on windows it is definitely possible. I have no idea how to do that though. ##windows might help ... |
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| 20:29.18 | niklaswe | sfjkg: hmm maybe you can setup it in cygwin ? |
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| 20:30.11 | pickcoder | is should pick it up by tftp broadcast |
| 20:30.20 | niklaswe | sfjkg: or install virtualbox on your windows machine and install linux on it, and setup tftpd and dhcp on the virtual machone |
| 20:30.59 | G_O_D1 | i have several issues with sky2 module on ethernet and using ath9k module to my wifi interface makes connection really slow |
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| 20:34.34 | stew | sfjkg: the install guilde covers installing via pxe: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 20:39.15 | pickcoder | sfjkg: http://tftpd32.jounin.net/ |
| 20:39.25 | pickcoder | review the install guide stew posted |
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| 20:42.35 | babilen | I don't think that the install guide covers setting up the PXE server on Windows |
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| 20:55.33 | kristian-aalborg | how much space will "laptop" + "standard system" take in the install? |
| 20:55.54 | pickcoder | babilen: the tftp service I posted is a complete tool for PXE and other TFTP booting setups |
| 20:56.27 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 20:57.02 | babilen | pickcoder: Ah, wonderful. |
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| 21:12.34 | kristian-aalborg | babilen: thanks... not bad, really |
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| 21:17.07 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: You are welcome -- You might also be interested in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/10/msg00310.html |
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| 21:19.18 | babilen | kristian-aalborg: Unsurprisingly summarised in http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 21:19.32 | babilen | I guess that is more information you'll need though :) |
| 21:19.39 | homie | hickadey,hack,da hooo |
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| 21:19.49 | homie | oh man, radeon is slow and hacky here |
| 21:20.23 | homie | rss-glx opengl things are all crappy |
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| 21:22.06 | babilen | homie: Should we regard this as a plea for help or do you just wanted to vent some steam? |
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| 21:23.12 | jelly-home | babilen: Steam doesn't work at all! :-> |
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| 21:28.04 | maher | hi - i'm failing to reliably map mouse buttons to keyboard keys - it works for a bit and then stops working - xev sees the event as Pointer_button1, but the window manager doesn't... |
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| 21:34.05 | yoshio | whomever wanted the dmesg log time converted, the human readable time is also in /var/log/kern.log . also see http://www.digitalprognosis.com/linuxtips/timestamping-linux-kernel-printk-output-in-dmesg-for-fun-and-profit/ |
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| 21:37.18 | kristian-aalborg | which repos should I add to get thinkpad-acpi? |
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| 21:38.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions thinkpad-acpi |
| 21:38.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'thinkpad-acpi' was found in i386. |
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| 21:39.45 | thewanderer1 | you must mean tp-smapi-* |
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| 21:41.00 | thewanderer1 | (yes, thinkpad-acpi is included in stock Debian kernels) |
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| 21:44.12 | kristian-aalborg | hurm... a window manager which is small and not too hard to use |
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| 21:45.30 | thewanderer1 | Openbox |
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| 21:45.42 | thewanderer1 | or Fluxbox, I find them equally fine |
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| 21:50.01 | ice799 | So, I have a CDBS package that has a debian/control.in. I can't figure out what I need to run to synthesize the control.in and output a control so that I can dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 21:50.03 | ice799 | Any ideas? |
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| 21:52.12 | Dweezahr | Hello, I am looking for some software I can use to let people enroll to events, an online events list software, does anyone have some good suggestions? |
| 21:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: I use drupal for something like that, but it might be overkill. |
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| 21:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: Find a site that does something similar to what you want and figure out what they use. |
| 21:54.05 | Dweezahr | yeah, I found something for Joomla, but I actually dont need a cms |
| 21:54.15 | Dweezahr | just some simple software |
| 21:54.24 | Dweezahr | I could only find plugins |
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| 21:59.05 | Fratyr | Where do I get php 5.3.3 for debian ? |
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| 21:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php |
| 21:59.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 21:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php5 |
| 21:59.55 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.2-1; sid: 5.3.3-4; squeeze: 5.3.3-4; sid: 5.3.3-5 |
| 22:00.16 | jelly-home | three sids! |
| 22:00.20 | jelly-home | and a funeral |
| 22:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | Fratyr: Why do you think you need it? |
| 22:00.53 | Fratyr | Why do you think I've asked If I need It? |
| 22:01.02 | pickcoder | Dweezahr: webcalendar |
| 22:01.22 | Fratyr | lenny is a repository? |
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| 22:02.06 | ice799 | So, I have a CDBS package that has a debian/control.in. I can't figure out what I need to run to synthesize the control.in and output a control so that I can dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 22:02.21 | itchi | Are there some pisg experts here? I'm setting this up for our #debian-nl My irssi logs are rotated and are gz'ed In my pisg config i have also this LogDir="~/.irssi/log/Freenode/ LogPrefix="#debian-nl" when running pisg, it scan all but finally report stats of the last compressed log. I'm missing somethings? |
| 22:02.23 | ice799 | jelly-home: any ideas? |
| 22:02.31 | pipeline | How do I configure kernel options for grub 2 ? There doesn't seem to be any equivalent to ##kopt= in /etc/grub.d |
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| 22:03.23 | babilen | pipeline: edit /etc/default/grub iirc |
| 22:03.38 | Dweezahr | pickcoder, looks promising, thanks, I will look further into it |
| 22:03.43 | itchi | mailing list of pisg aren't usefull, only spam there :s |
| 22:04.07 | pipeline | babilen: thanks -- that has me barking up the right tree |
| 22:04.17 | babilen | great :) |
| 22:04.22 | jelly-home | ice799: I'd ask in the mentors channel. |
| 22:04.26 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 22:04.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:04.51 | jelly-home | ice799: still haven't touched cdbs... |
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| 22:05.10 | babilen | dh_* ftw ;) |
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| 22:11.14 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Look in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:13.14 | sfjkg | hey, ive just finished my install, but it doesnt boot. it just gets stuck at "probing edd (edd=off to disable)... ok" and then shows nothing else onscreen. any ideas? |
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| 22:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | sfjkg: Sorry, don't remember what caused that. You can try edd=off, but mine was hanging on the next step. |
| 22:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | sfjkg: It'd probably help if we knew which release, architecture, and hardware you were working with. |
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| 22:15.55 | sfjkg | its lenny. i386, panasonic toughbook CF-M34 |
| 22:16.05 | qwd | I want something that plays music in the morning instead of my hideous alarm. Any tips? I use moc to play music so the solution could use that. Or not. |
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| 22:18.00 | jhutchins_lt | cron + music player |
| 22:18.04 | peterrooney | qwd: sleep 28800; xine /path/to/blaring/music.wav |
| 22:18.23 | peterrooney | what's scary is I know that number off the top of my head. |
| 22:18.57 | peterrooney | i may have to give up all pretense of ever being normal |
| 22:19.20 | babilen | peterrooney: It is not. Do not worry :) |
| 22:19.33 | babilen | but sleeping for 8 hours is :) |
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| 22:23.56 | qwd | jhutchins_lt: peterrooney: thanks |
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| 22:27.26 | atula | after I do mkfs.ext3 /dev/sd... do I need to format it or does that act of making fs format it already ? |
| 22:27.38 | atula | nvm. got answer already |
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| 22:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | Quickest way to find an answer - post it to the internet and it'll become obvious the next second. |
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| 22:39.06 | sfjkg | jhutchins_lt: would it be possible that my laptop is a 486/586 and im trying to push a 686 kernel onto it? |
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| 22:39.40 | sgn | Where can i find apts db of installed packages? |
| 22:39.55 | Xanbreon | how would one make sure a script is run first in /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d ? |
| 22:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | sfjkg: Dunno - you'll have to find out what the hardware is. Do live CD's boot ok? If the installer booted, it's the right architecture. |
| 22:40.13 | xyan | sgn: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:40.27 | sgn | thanks |
| 22:40.33 | sfjkg | jhutchins_lt: it was a netinst for 386, but i know it loads 686 kernels up by default |
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| 22:41.01 | jhutchins_lt | sfjkg: Like I said, I've seen that but I don't remember. It was back when I was building a couple hundred systems a month. |
| 22:41.39 | aleray | hi, I want to low format my harddrive. I've read I should use the vendor's utility for this. Is that true or can I do it by an other way? (dd?) |
| 22:42.03 | thewanderer1 | sfjkg: it's highly improbable that anything you're trying to run and is a laptop contains a pre-i686 CPU |
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| 22:42.38 | thewanderer1 | sfjkg: unless you really have a Pentium I / Pentium MX inside... |
| 22:42.43 | xyan | aleray: a low level format might do other things like rellocation of bad blocks, if you know the hw is good you are safe to use dd, or just create a new filesystem |
| 22:43.54 | aleray | xyan, thanks,what does hw stand for? |
| 22:44.03 | xyan | hardware :_) |
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| 22:44.15 | aleray | xyan, ok |
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| 22:45.08 | aleray | xyan, my hd makes stranges noises and I had corrupted files this is wy I want to format it. DO you think dd can get rid of it? |
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| 22:45.48 | thewanderer1 | aleray: to override bad blocks you would simply use mkfs with appropriate options |
| 22:45.51 | xyan | aleray: no, strange noises arent a good sign, like heads scratching platters. id rescue whatever you can and get a new hard drive |
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| 22:47.51 | sfjkg | thewanderer1: two of my laptops need a 486 kernel. ones a 486, other is a 586. |
| 22:48.08 | thewanderer1 | omg :P |
| 22:48.13 | sfjkg | yeah |
| 22:48.17 | sfjkg | they run DOS nicely |
| 22:48.29 | thewanderer1 | well, everything above Pentium Pro is already i686 |
| 22:48.49 | thewanderer1 | you sure you weren't trying to run Debian on an abacus? |
| 22:48.51 | aleray | thewanderer1, xyan thanks |
| 22:49.02 | sfjkg | lol yeah im sure :P |
| 22:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: What kind of a drive is it? ide? |
| 22:49.59 | aleray | it's a lacie. I event don't know what's inside |
| 22:50.09 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, |
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| 22:50.36 | pickcoder | lacie 80GB? |
| 22:50.46 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: I don't think llf is going to fix strange noises. I'd be working on a backup and planning for a replacement. |
| 22:51.12 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Back in the 90's there were llf programs for ide drives, but they really aren't worth the time and effort any more. |
| 22:51.28 | aleray | pickcoder, 320GB |
| 22:51.36 | aleray | sata |
| 22:51.38 | aleray | i guess |
| 22:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Once the hardware starts to fail, even if you can recover for a little while it's going to fail again soon. |
| 22:51.56 | pickcoder | ok.. I have a usb 80GB and it screeches sometimes when there's not enough juice |
| 22:52.18 | aleray | pickcoder, interesting |
| 22:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: You could find out what the internal hardware is and get a utility from the actual drive maker. |
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| 22:53.15 | aleray | pickcoder, mine is firewire/usb |
| 22:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: The interface presented to the OS these days is highly abstracted, and it takes special software to access the actual hardware. |
| 22:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: About all they're good for these days is for verifying that the drive is failing so that the manufacturer will accept a waranty return. |
| 22:54.38 | pickcoder | or a screwdriver |
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| 22:56.20 | kryl | it appears xen 2.6.26 don't support raid driver do you know how to fix that ? |
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| 22:56.53 | kryl | it's for dell poweredge r515 (sas raid) |
| 22:57.08 | kryl | PERC H200 raid controller |
| 22:57.23 | aleray | pickcoder, I can recycle the case and put an other drive in it right? |
| 22:57.42 | pickcoder | aleray: sure, if the controller isn't bokners |
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| 22:58.00 | aleray | pickcoder, ok good |
| 22:58.01 | pickcoder | more often than not I've experience controller failure before the drive goes |
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| 22:58.23 | masterkorp | do you recomend any good proxy in europe (near Portugal is a plus) ? |
| 22:58.25 | pickcoder | plug into a real controller and run a sector scan on it |
| 22:58.59 | pickcoder | dell has a solid block scanner for hdd |
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| 23:01.57 | peterrooney | apt-file search xlock| grep bin yeilds no result... where is it hidden? |
| 23:03.09 | babilen | peterrooney: Try apt-file search -x "xlock$" |
| 23:03.36 | babilen | and you'll find xlockmore (on squeeze) |
| 23:03.40 | babilen | ,versions xlockmore |
| 23:03.42 | judd | Package xlockmore on i386 -- sid: 1:5.31-1 |
| 23:03.49 | babilen | or sid :-\ |
| 23:03.58 | peterrooney | I'm on lenny (i386, today) |
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| 23:06.10 | peterrooney | found it - xtrlock |
| 23:06.13 | peterrooney | , xtrlock |
| 23:06.21 | peterrooney | ,versions xtrlock |
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| 23:06.23 | judd | Package xtrlock on i386 -- etch: 2.0-12; lenny: 2.0-12; sid: 2.0-14; squeeze: 2.0-14 |
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| 23:30.13 | bodom | Hi there. I'm in trouble make squid3 listen on IPv6 with debian stable. Anybody has done that before? |
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| 23:41.58 | cheasee | duh, i just got that new 1215n netbook, grabbed recent hd-media boot image and netinst iso, booted off of it and noticed, there are no drivers for that broadcom, manualy selecting b44 didnt work out too |
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| 23:42.14 | cheasee | any ideas before i jump out of the window? |
| 23:42.30 | tharkun | cheasee: lspci -nn |
| 23:42.48 | jhutchins_lt | !b44 |
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| 23:46.18 | cheasee | lspci -nn http://666kb.com/i/bovg3wxkt8b3gvfec.jpg |
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| 23:47.19 | jordanm | ,pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 23:47.21 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'brcm80211' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 23:47.38 | jordanm | !brcm80211 |
| 23:47.38 | dpkg | brcm80211 is an open source mac80211 driver released by Broadcom, supporting the <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 23:48.02 | jordanm | cheasee: which version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 23:48.04 | cheasee | oh, i mean the atheros, not the wireless :) |
| 23:48.11 | cheasee | sry |
| 23:48.41 | jordanm | ,pciid 1969:2062 |
| 23:48.42 | judd | [1969:2062] is 'AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:2062 |
| 23:48.50 | jordanm | !at11c |
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| 23:49.02 | jordanm | should work? |
| 23:49.05 | abrotman | atl1c ? |
| 23:49.08 | abrotman | not at11c |
| 23:49.09 | cheasee | jordanm, ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/debian-507-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 23:49.13 | abrotman | !atl1c |
| 23:49.13 | dpkg | atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet (AR8131) and Fast Ethernet (AR8132) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>. |
| 23:49.57 | jordanm | cheasee: looks like you are using the testing installer on stable |
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| 23:50.48 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 23:50.48 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 23:50.58 | jordanm | cheasee: kmuto for stable or squeeze should work |
| 23:51.10 | jordanm | !tell cheasee about kmuto |
| 23:51.54 | cheasee | oh, i wanted to install testing instead installing stable and later on upgrading |
| 23:52.55 | jordanm | !tell cheasee about eeepc |
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| 23:53.37 | cheasee | ah! :) |
| 23:53.43 | cheasee | thanks! :) |
| 23:54.33 | cheasee | special ones.. with my actual acer ao751h i had no issues at all |
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| 23:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | cheasee: acer one here too. Had to use the squeeze installer, kmuto didn't have the driver. |
| 23:58.43 | jhutchins_lt | I used whatever installer unetbootin pulls in. Standard debian usb method didn't worjk. |
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