| 00:00.04 | cheasee | interesting, i did it the same way as described here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 00:00.33 | cheasee | i just used the wrong iso as i see heh |
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| 00:11.20 | Grega | So, how should I install WiFi drivers on my EeeBOX (rt2860sta) without internet connection? Those wikis/tutorials ways using apt-get, but.. what am I missing? |
| 00:11.39 | Grega | says* |
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| 00:14.08 | abrotman | to apt-get what ? |
| 00:14.41 | Grega | kernel-source, some firmware and some network-tools |
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| 00:33.11 | abrotman | Grega: and you have no wired connection available? |
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| 00:39.18 | cheasee | i just tried lenny-custom-0116.iso - kernel version 2.6.32 from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, doesnt detect any networking too |
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| 00:40.09 | StuckMojo | what's the aptitude equivalent of: apt-get -b source packagename |
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| 00:42.22 | abrotman | aptitude doesn't have one |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | one of the very few things aptitude cannot do |
| 00:42.39 | StuckMojo | ah thanks |
| 00:42.56 | StuckMojo | there's really little difference between using apt-get and aptitude these days, ya? |
| 00:43.08 | StuckMojo | now that they're using the same libraries and storage etc |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | aptitude still has better problem resolution |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:43.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 00:43.46 | StuckMojo | yeah |
| 00:44.19 | StuckMojo | iirc back when aptitude first came to be, they stored their stuff in different places or some such... |
| 00:44.37 | StuckMojo | so you had to always use one or the other to have things work smoothly |
| 00:44.45 | StuckMojo | i'm talking like woody |
| 00:45.13 | peterrooney | yet aptitude has no options for building from source? |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | correct |
| 00:45.34 | themill | aptitude only deals with binary packages. |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | well, it can do foo-src packages |
| 00:46.20 | StuckMojo | apparently it can download and build-dep |
| 00:46.37 | themill | abrotman: you mean binary packages that contain source files? they're just binary packages. |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | ish! |
| 00:47.08 | themill | StuckMojo: that's still only dealing with binary packages. |
| 00:47.30 | StuckMojo | true |
| 00:47.53 | StuckMojo | goes about backporting postgresql-9.0 from sid to lenny... |
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| 00:48.39 | StuckMojo | hmmm...any way to pass -j 2 to apt-get -b source? |
| 00:48.50 | StuckMojo | i ass-u-me some env var or other |
| 00:50.00 | StuckMojo | wow...i just realized... |
| 00:50.24 | StuckMojo | this is far and away the quietest i've ever seen this channel |
| 00:51.04 | StuckMojo | it's eerie |
| 00:53.20 | ehc | in a shell script, how can I run a command in a new process (if I want to have it sleep for a few seconds before trying to run again) ? |
| 00:54.27 | StuckMojo | fork |
| 00:54.36 | StuckMojo | iirc |
| 00:54.48 | StuckMojo | wait, duh: foo & |
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| 00:57.41 | ehc | StuckMojo, will the & allow the current process to finish? or will it block waiting? |
| 01:00.03 | StuckMojo | ehc: runs in the background, same as from a cmd prompt |
| 01:00.10 | StuckMojo | so it does not block, returns immediately |
| 01:00.51 | StuckMojo | try it: (sleep 3 && echo done) & |
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| 01:07.52 | ehc | StuckMojo, thanks :) |
| 01:08.22 | StuckMojo | np |
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| 01:13.03 | StuckMojo | well thanks folks |
| 01:13.06 | StuckMojo | l8rz |
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| 01:21.43 | tyebud | Hey there.. What is the default directory that apache2 serves? |
| 01:24.04 | tyebud | NM I'm an idiot. It is still /var/www/ |
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| 01:26.39 | abrotman | tricky |
| 01:26.58 | htek | does windows copy files faster than linux because of it's shoddy file management system (i.e. stacking files recklessly one on top of another)? I've always wondered about this |
| 01:27.04 | bluj | why? --> Package build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package |
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| 01:29.05 | htek | I guess you guys don't know |
| 01:29.09 | abrotman | your sources.list is not correct |
| 01:29.13 | htek | maybe I'll ask the gentoo guys |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | bluj: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 01:30.01 | bluj | abrotman: i think youre right.. its my friends box im looking at and he commented the cdrom line, im guessing he needs a real mirror to replace.. there are security.debian.org lines and volatile.debian.org but thats it |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | bluj: you need a main sources .. where is the machine geographically ? |
| 01:30.22 | bluj | i dont fully understand the syntax of the deb lines, what would the main entry be that he wants?> |
| 01:30.25 | bluj | canada |
| 01:30.36 | abrotman | province ? |
| 01:30.43 | bluj | ON |
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| 01:31.20 | abrotman | deb http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/ lenny main |
| 01:31.43 | bluj | ty |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | there's a uwaterloo mirror if oyu'd rather use that |
| 01:32.10 | bluj | schmeh. ill try this one |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | good enough! |
| 01:34.42 | bluj | abrotman: works, thanks |
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| 01:39.46 | dvs | hey, dont use my school's mirror! ;-) |
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| 01:42.28 | abrotman | he didn't! |
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| 01:42.29 | RicKyRocK | someone know what i have to do, i receive this respond Please setup proper nameserver records for site.com in your vps. Let me know if you have any issue. |
| 01:44.23 | bluj | dvs: nah.. too slow ;) |
| 01:46.38 | peterrooney | bluj: nrc is faster than uw. |
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| 01:58.19 | gparent | Hello there, I just installed Debian Squeeze AMD64 and I get "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary." if I fdisk my system drive. |
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| 01:58.28 | gparent | Same for partition 2 |
| 01:58.44 | gparent | http://codepad.org/Rh3KPp7Y |
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| 02:03.12 | megana | I am confused by back ports. I am looking for the 2.6.32 kernel for lenny |
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| 02:04.36 | abrotman | megana: there are instructions there .. they're pretty easy, there is a .32 there |
| 02:04.54 | megana | I followed the instructions. I just don't know the package name or how to search for it |
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| 02:05.51 | gparent | linux-image-* |
| 02:05.58 | gparent | where * is something like i686, xen, etc |
| 02:06.11 | gparent | IIRC |
| 02:06.14 | megana | okay |
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| 02:06.58 | megana | okay⦠configuring mplayer |
| 02:07.03 | gparent | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-686 |
| 02:07.22 | gparent | Check the "Similar packages" |
| 02:07.33 | gparent | in case you need a amd64 kernel, or bigmem, etc |
| 02:07.35 | megana | thank you |
| 02:07.40 | megana | amd64 <-- |
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| 02:08.06 | gparent | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:08.07 | gparent | probably this. |
| 02:08.29 | megana | looks right |
| 02:08.35 | megana | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 this one ? |
| 02:08.55 | megana | why doesn't debian have 2.6.36 |
| 02:09.08 | dvs | too new |
| 02:09.10 | gparent | It's just how they stabilize the OS |
| 02:09.25 | megana | but you get more hardware :) |
| 02:09.33 | gparent | Yeah, and more possible bugs. |
| 02:09.37 | gparent | And security holes |
| 02:09.38 | gparent | etc. |
| 02:09.45 | megana | okay fine you win |
| 02:09.57 | gparent | I'm not doing it to win, I know low version kernels can be an issue ;) |
| 02:10.01 | gparent | but for debian it works perfectly :) |
| 02:10.26 | megana | lazy lenny, sexy squeeze. What is the testing version going to be called? |
| 02:10.30 | stew | megana: its in experimental. I believe the plan for squeeze is to release with 2.6.35, so it will stay in experimental until experimental gest 2.6.37 or squeeze is released |
| 02:10.33 | stew | megana: wheezy |
| 02:10.50 | megana | oh Hi Stew |
| 02:11.05 | gparent | stew: where is that "wheezy" |
| 02:11.08 | gparent | in that sentence |
| 02:11.09 | megana | what is the one after wheezy? |
| 02:11.09 | gparent | just so we're clear |
| 02:11.27 | gparent | oh im blind |
| 02:11.30 | gparent | you were answering him, sorry. |
| 02:11.30 | nsadmin | wheezy's whistling while she works |
| 02:11.56 | stew | megana: the successor to wheezy will be chosen by the release team after wheezy is frozen |
| 02:12.18 | gparent | I'm following a guide that has a section in GUI and then a command-line section. FML. I want a CLI-only guide! |
| 02:12.36 | megana | oh |
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| 02:14.26 | abrotman | stew: you mean squeeze with a .32 ? |
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| 02:16.13 | dvs | is looking for Debian with a .38! :-> |
| 02:16.27 | gparent | I want 2.8.0 and I want it now. |
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| 02:17.05 | stew | abrotman: right |
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| 02:17.49 | abrotman | is he speaking english? |
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| 02:29.30 | nsadmin | gparent, so, find it, use it. #debian does not support build-it-yourself, but debian has the toolchain... info gcc if you need help invoking the compiler... |
| 02:30.07 | gparent | nsadmin: You're [a bot|joking|mistaken] |
| 02:30.54 | nsadmin | gparent: if you have a question #debian does support, ask it and anyone who you haven't alienated might be with you shortly... |
| 02:31.27 | abrotman | he asked about a cylinder boundary ? |
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| 02:33.08 | nsadmin | really? interesting... what's the 2.8.0 thing all about? |
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| 02:33.19 | nsadmin | ahd the gui/cli thing? |
| 02:33.37 | gparent | I was kidding about the 2.8.0 thing. |
| 02:33.44 | gparent | I don't think there even exists such a kernel. |
| 02:33.58 | nsadmin | I suppose there will at some point |
| 02:34.03 | gparent | And the cylinder boundary thing I -think- I solved by myself, apparently it doesn't matter. |
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| 02:34.12 | gparent | As long as partitions don't overlap |
| 02:34.13 | nsadmin | and when that happens someone will look at it and do something |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 02:34.45 | gparent | nsadmin: When that happens I'll make sure to walk them through the single command needed to install the kernel ;) |
| 02:35.09 | nsadmin | tell waldi... he don't know anything! |
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| 03:00.59 | WormFood | does anyone else have problems with sound in flash....like it works when I first start iceweasel, then after a while it starts stuttering, and sometimes it "magically fixes itself", and works for a little while, before it goes back to stuttering again....VERY annoying. |
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| 03:05.42 | karthick | How would one make empathy start when you turn on your computer or log into the computer? |
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| 03:09.14 | karlpinc | karthick: Tradionally. ~/.XSession or ~/.xsession. But I've never been able to get this to work. (Not that I've tried hard.) Your desktop probably has a way to startup things on login. |
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| 03:13.30 | abrotman | karthick: what is your DE/WM ? |
| 03:14.01 | megana | why won't anything open on the screen when I type "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" |
| 03:14.08 | karthick | abrotman: 5.0 |
| 03:14.23 | karlpinc | wonders if anyone has gotten ~/.xsession to work on lenny |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | uhm .. i asked your WM/DE |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | megana: wrong user? |
| 03:15.00 | megana | I started it from ssh with startx & as root |
| 03:15.09 | megana | then in the same console |
| 03:16.16 | karthick | abrotman: what is DE/WM? |
| 03:16.45 | karlpinc | megana: X does funny things as root. Running it that way is not recommended. |
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| 03:17.08 | megana | but it's always run as root |
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| 03:17.49 | megana | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.01 | karlpinc | megana: But only to run a *dm to ask for a login. Then it runs as the user. |
| 03:18.03 | WormFood | why does kismet not show the battery info in debian, but works fine for me in other distros (like backtrack 4 beta, for example)....do I need to install another package or something to make that work? |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | logging into X as root is not recommended |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | karthick: gnome? kde? something else? |
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| 03:18.21 | megana | I'm not using getty |
| 03:18.35 | megana | it's just a single user system |
| 03:18.36 | karthick | abrotman: Gnome |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | karthick: gnome has an autostart utility |
| 03:21.18 | karlpinc | megana: So log in as you and run 'su' when in a terminal (or whatever) or use the gui's facility for su-ing. |
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| 03:22.07 | megana | solved, it was caused a hanging process that had its dependencies removed by aptitude |
| 03:24.26 | stew | karlpinc: if you want .xsession to be read by gdm, choose "default session" instead of a window manager when you login (and start your de/wm of choice from .xsession) |
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| 03:29.45 | karlpinc | stew: Thanks. (I now seem to recall once frobbing the config files and making my own session for the gdm menu.) I'm a little disappointed it's all *dm dependent. A standard would be nice. |
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| 03:37.02 | megana | Package libcdparanoia0-dev is a virtual package provided by: |
| 03:37.02 | megana | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.02 | megana | what's up with this? |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | it's a virtual package .. |
| 03:38.36 | megana | what is? |
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| 03:38.43 | megana | what is virtual package |
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| 03:39.00 | abrotman | !virtual package |
| 03:39.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use $ apt-cache showpkg foo; |
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| 03:39.37 | megana | I am trying to get apt-get build-dep mplayer |
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| 03:42.37 | WormFood | why does kismet not show the battery info in debian, but works fine for me in other distros (like backtrack 4 beta, for example)....do I need to install another package or something to make that work? |
| 03:42.53 | megana | cause debian has old kernels |
| 03:43.09 | WormFood | my kernel isn't old |
| 03:43.15 | megana | which one is it? |
| 03:43.25 | PhorceP | What is the ideal way to get tty's to stop defaulting to 64 rows by 160 columns? |
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| 03:43.52 | WormFood | 2.6.32 |
| 03:44.13 | megana | other packages have newer than that, so they have more modules |
| 03:44.17 | megana | maybe that's what it is? |
| 03:44.30 | megana | other distros* |
| 03:44.32 | WormFood | unlikely, since it works on other distros with older kernels |
| 03:45.14 | WormFood | PhorceP, I just spent the time to make my tty in 160x64.....it should default to 80x25 |
| 03:45.19 | peterrooney | PhorceP: append vga=[somecode] in grub |
| 03:45.30 | megana | soâ¦â¦ what does this even mean then? |
| 03:45.31 | megana | http://pastebin.com/CBRRs0tp |
| 03:45.56 | megana | since it appears there is nothing in this virtual package |
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| 03:48.58 | megana | is there a way to make aptitude get all the dependencies for a given package and not get the main package |
| 03:50.33 | dondelelcaro | megana: yes |
| 03:50.40 | gparent | build-dep |
| 03:50.40 | megana | what's the secret???????? |
| 03:50.44 | megana | ugh... |
| 03:50.47 | megana | build-dep is broken |
| 03:50.48 | kingsley2 | megana: dpkg -s <package> |
| 03:51.00 | PhorceP | peterrooney: does grub2 use vga= still? |
| 03:51.02 | gparent | err yeah mine is for compiling |
| 03:51.38 | megana | can I show you what it says kingsley2? |
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| 03:51.50 | kingsley2 | megana: Maybe aptitude -D -s |
| 03:51.54 | megana | http://pastebin.com/qCdMmR8S |
| 03:52.09 | dondelelcaro | megana: aptitude install '?reverse-broken-depends(foopkg)'; or similar |
| 03:52.14 | WormFood | PhorceP, vga=xxx is a Linux kernel thing...grub just passes that to the kernel when it boots |
| 03:52.18 | kingsley2 | megana: OK, in a pastebin please. |
| 03:52.26 | megana | ^^^ |
| 03:52.42 | dondelelcaro | megana: why are you trying to build mplayer? |
| 03:53.13 | megana | because it didn't work out of the repository and then the mplayer people told me to |
| 03:53.22 | dondelelcaro | megana: didn't work how? |
| 03:53.26 | PhorceP | WormFood: That isn't what the docs I'm reading say: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Setting_the_framebuffer_resolution |
| 03:54.04 | megana | it says something about VIDIX |
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| 03:54.27 | WormFood | PhorceP, I'm just clarifying for you....grub only passes that info to the kernel...if you want to change it, do it in /etc/default/grub, and follow the directions at the top of the file |
| 03:54.31 | megana | http://pastebin.com/ExF6yxS0 |
| 03:54.44 | megana | dondeelcaro |
| 03:55.13 | dondelelcaro | megana: uh... there's nothing wrong there |
| 03:55.31 | megana | well, when I run it it will not display any video or sound |
| 03:55.44 | dondelelcaro | megana: that's probably because you have the wrong -vo and/or -ao selected |
| 03:56.13 | megana | how do I get the right one?? |
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| 03:56.27 | dondelelcaro | megana: does mplayer work at all for any videos? |
| 03:56.42 | megana | I only have tried one, but it worked on mplayer in the mac |
| 03:57.03 | kingsley2 | megana: I do not know what the problem is, but your fine pastebing suggests many keywords to search Google's indices with. |
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| 03:57.47 | dondelelcaro | megana: so use youtube-dl or similar, and download a youtube video, and try to play it. If it fails, try with mplayer -vo x11 fooyoutubevideo; |
| 03:58.11 | megana | isn't -vo x11 the one that makes my computer a space heater? |
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| 03:58.28 | dondelelcaro | megana: it's the one that pretty much always works, which is all I care about |
| 03:58.43 | dondelelcaro | xv is the normal one that you'd use |
| 03:58.51 | megana | you are a solution specialist! |
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| 04:00.31 | megana | no, x11 don't work either |
| 04:00.38 | dondelelcaro | megana: with which video? |
| 04:00.44 | megana | :0 |
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| 04:01.27 | megana | it says error opening the selected video out device |
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| 04:03.04 | dondelelcaro | megana: what does mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2010/debconf10/low/1580_1580_Lightning_Talks.ogv output? |
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| 04:03.48 | megana | no such audio driver |
| 04:04.09 | nv7f | hello |
| 04:04.14 | dondelelcaro | megana: uh... what does mplayer -v; output? |
| 04:04.16 | megana | I used the same audio chipset before with arch linux and worked |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | megana: and dpkg -l mplayer; ? |
| 04:04.46 | nv7f | just a message - please don't take my Gnome away. |
| 04:04.52 | megana | http://pastebin.com/vmjupcnS |
| 04:05.20 | megana | http://pastebin.com/EGtvkLqj |
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| 04:06.39 | dondelelcaro | megana: 1) why in the world are you running mplayer as root? |
| 04:06.49 | dondelelcaro | megana: 2) you need to give me the command line that you're actually running too. |
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| 04:07.13 | dondelelcaro | megana: and finally, you're not using the Debian packages of mplayer. |
| 04:07.31 | megana | 1) can't access X otherwise |
| 04:07.35 | fruitwerks | where can I find out the compile options used for a package? |
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| 04:07.44 | megana | 2) I typed exactly what you said |
| 04:07.45 | dondelelcaro | megana: you shouldn't be running X as root either |
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| 04:08.08 | dondelelcaro | megana: we want to see the command lines to make sure you've actually typed it correctly |
| 04:08.11 | megana | that's the only way to start it from rc |
| 04:08.16 | dondelelcaro | fruitwerks: they're in debian/rules in the source package |
| 04:08.20 | dondelelcaro | megana: uh... no, it's not |
| 04:08.29 | megana | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching mplayer |
| 04:08.51 | megana | mplayer -v |
| 04:09.18 | megana | I built mplayer from source |
| 04:09.29 | dondelelcaro | megana: well, then that's your problem. |
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| 04:09.44 | dondelelcaro | megana: you haven't built the audio driver, and $DIETY knows what else you've failed to configure properly |
| 04:09.53 | megana | but it did the same thing prior to that too |
| 04:10.08 | megana | from the repo |
| 04:10.15 | megana | I'll repo it again |
| 04:10.21 | dondelelcaro | good luck |
| 04:10.39 | nv7f | mplay works okay here on squeeze |
| 04:11.09 | dondelelcaro | it works fine pretty much everywhere... |
| 04:11.19 | megana | yeah I know |
| 04:11.24 | nv7f | actually everything works good |
| 04:11.36 | megana | I didn't really want lenny |
| 04:11.38 | nv7f | running the latest nvidia driver |
| 04:11.58 | megana | what's the command to see what video module I'm using? |
| 04:11.58 | PhorceP | WormFood: I am using GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text. As soon as /dev finishes populating I go from 80x25 to 160x64 |
| 04:13.09 | nv7f | i use the nvidia settings to get driver version |
| 04:13.30 | megana | no nvidias here |
| 04:13.43 | nv7f | what is ur video card |
| 04:13.55 | megana | GMA950 |
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| 04:15.13 | WormFood | PhorceP, I don't know what else to suggest, other than double checking /etc/default/console-setup and seeing if something is wrong there. I had to set my "fontface" and "fontsize" to null values to get it NOT to change my resolution |
| 04:17.30 | nv7f | to see which driver version look in synaptic - intel drivers |
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| 04:21.23 | nv7f | i run 64 bit squeeze - okay so far |
| 04:21.26 | WormFood | Why in the fuck does debian have so many problems with wireless (specifically the intel 3945 driver, for me) that other distros don't have? I boot up with backtrack, and everything works perfectly (they even autoconfig my kismet.conf file for me)....but in debian, it is a boatload of problems |
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| 04:22.09 | nv7f | I have intel wireless and it works fine - no config |
| 04:22.43 | WormFood | does it work in kismet? |
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| 04:23.15 | PhorceP | WormFood: Well that's not it, so I'm done. |
| 04:23.17 | nv7f | don't use kismet |
| 04:24.12 | nv7f | its worked with everything I have tried including a bunch of hamradio stuff like echolink |
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| 04:25.21 | nv7f | I have the 5100 intel card |
| 04:25.40 | WormFood | you use echoling? |
| 04:25.43 | WormFood | link* |
| 04:25.46 | nv7f | yes |
| 04:25.58 | WormFood | my card is the 3945 |
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| 04:26.29 | nv7f | lenny? |
| 04:26.34 | WormFood | squeeze |
| 04:26.50 | nv7f | I am surprises it didn't just come up |
| 04:27.03 | nv7f | surprised |
| 04:27.07 | WormFood | I knew you were a ham before you said anything, because you use your call sign as your nick....which I never do, because it is a link to all your personal info |
| 04:27.23 | nv7f | sorry |
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| 04:27.45 | WormFood | don't matter to me....but anyone that knows what it is can look up your personal info |
| 04:27.57 | nv7f | yes - thats okay |
| 04:28.03 | WormFood | it is like using your whole name and address as a nick |
| 04:28.17 | nv7f | well I do that on the air too |
| 04:28.33 | WormFood | BTW, I had a KE4xxx call, but since let it expire. |
| 04:28.33 | nv7f | that is very visible |
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| 04:29.31 | WormFood | but this isn't over the air...this is internet....anyways, your choice. |
| 04:29.50 | nv7f | true |
| 04:29.56 | WormFood | nv7f, do you run HF? |
| 04:30.01 | nv7f | yes |
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| 04:31.04 | WormFood | I was a tech+ call, so I was limited to 10M for voice for years....but it was still fun....my first QSO was on 10M packet radio, to Costa Rica (from florida) |
| 04:32.06 | WormFood | lots of fun....anyways....now I'd be happy to get my radio gear in my computer to work properly (wireless card) |
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| 04:33.13 | nv7f | let me see if the driver I am using supports ur card |
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| 04:36.53 | nv7f | nope |
| 04:37.32 | cantido | I hate to ask an "anybody.. " question.. but has anyone used the SH4 port recently? How are you meant to install it? |
| 04:38.04 | nv7f | i'm using iwlagn |
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| 04:39.58 | nv7f | try "modprobe ipw3945 |
| 04:40.13 | WormFood | there is a 3945 driver in debian, and it seems to work ok, but it does not work right with kismet, and gives me a screen full of errors...."failed to get channel info for channel 10 [1]"....drive me fuckin' crazy! |
| 04:40.38 | nv7f | okay |
| 04:42.19 | WormFood | of course the drivers are already loaded....makes me wonder if the debian maintainers did something stupid (like they did with ssh), since it works for beautifully on backtrack |
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| 04:43.25 | nv7f | kismet only 802.11b? |
| 04:43.34 | WormFood | no, of course not |
| 04:43.41 | WormFood | it works with 802.11a/b/g |
| 04:43.52 | nv7f | i will install it |
| 04:44.27 | WormFood | you'll need to configure the /etc/kismet/kismet.conf file for your wireless card (they need to use the script in backtrack, because it does it automagically) |
| 04:44.31 | ChmEarl | xen-utils-4.0 (Squeeze/Sid) has a known problem: no tap:aio support. This was a calculated decision to leave it out. Enough with it, put it in. |
| 04:45.38 | WormFood | nv7f, it is only one line....real easy....but you may need to read for a few minutes to find the right thing to change....if you need help, let me know, and I'll give you an example to get ya running faster. |
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| 04:46.14 | nv7f | let me look |
| 04:49.50 | nv7f | version=2007.09.R1 |
| 04:54.06 | nv7f | found the setup directions for kismet |
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| 04:57.08 | yagoo | nv7f, OO |
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| 05:08.57 | WormFood | ...go with the smaller plan, where you just pay for the bandwidth you use (and if you don't use it a lot, it can be very cheap) |
| 05:09.14 | WormFood | d'oh...sorry....didn't mean to hit <enter> here |
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| 05:15.16 | z1y | Hi. I am building erlang packages. I don't want to build erlang-doc packages. How can I tell dpkg-buildpackage not to do that? |
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| 05:38.06 | megana | oh for fuck sake, now I'm having problems with KMS since I installed squeeze |
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| 05:50.49 | megana | what did you people do with grub menu.lst? |
| 05:55.33 | yoshio | some people say look at /etc/default/grub, but I don't see the kernels there |
| 05:56.11 | megana | it's all lies ;( |
| 05:56.49 | megana | looks like it's boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 05:59.01 | yoshio | custom stuff can go in /etc/grub.d , see the README there |
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| 06:31.06 | cesurasean1 | Can someone help me? |
| 06:31.34 | cesurasean1 | I can contact a server from itself with command line, and also other boxes on the network. The other machine that can't connect is my windows laptop. Says connection refused?? |
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| 06:35.00 | StuckMojo | hey, what's that command that's like ifconfig but better? gives way more info and control? something like iftool? |
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| 06:42.29 | StuckMojo | ethtool!!! |
| 06:43.01 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: ip, actually... |
| 06:43.16 | StuckMojo | that's what i was thinking of, ethtool |
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| 06:43.40 | deStone | hi, help appreciated: i have a mount: /home5 on /home/110mb_com_box15 type none (rw,bind) .... I need it to actually be /home3 that is used instead of /home5 -- what cmd should i use? |
| 06:44.29 | dondelelcaro | could be, but ip is the tool which is far more powerful. |
| 06:44.54 | cesurasean1 | Ok, i can ping yahoo, but for some reason cannot connect to SSH through my windows machine |
| 06:44.56 | cesurasean1 | can someone help? |
| 06:44.59 | dondelelcaro | deStone: you can umount the bind mount, and then do another bind mount |
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| 06:45.55 | StuckMojo | dondelelcaro: yeah but you can't list all the info about an interface in one swoop with ip |
| 06:46.11 | deStone | dondelelcaro: I did umount it |
| 06:46.17 | deStone | but i'm confused on how to mount |
| 06:46.19 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: sure you can... |
| 06:46.19 | deStone | i keep getting |
| 06:46.25 | deStone | not a block device |
| 06:46.33 | dondelelcaro | deStone: presumably you want mount --bind /home3 /home/110mb_com_box15; or somesuch |
| 06:46.40 | deStone | yes |
| 06:46.42 | deStone | --bind |
| 06:46.45 | deStone | yes |
| 06:46.47 | dondelelcaro | deStone: but without knowing precisely what you're tyring to do, it's hard to say |
| 06:46.47 | deStone | hold let me test |
| 06:46.48 | cesurasean1 | Ok, i can ping yahoo, but for some reason cannot connect to SSH through my windows machine - can someone help me??? |
| 06:47.07 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean1: you'll have to give us more information. Can you ping that machine? |
| 06:47.35 | cesurasean1 | yes, i can pring from Windows 7 to that box. |
| 06:47.44 | cesurasean1 | when i try to connect it says connection refused |
| 06:47.52 | cesurasean1 | and, im able to ssh from other boxes as well |
| 06:47.58 | cesurasean1 | what could be my issue? |
| 06:48.56 | deStone | dondelelcaro: the --bind was what i was forgetting! |
| 06:48.58 | deStone | your a savior |
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| 06:50.20 | dondelelcaro | deStone: man mount; when you get lost in the future. It's documented there |
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| 06:52.21 | cesurasean1 | can someone please help me? |
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| 06:52.49 | Pyista42 | anyone here use dovecot? Does it require mysql? |
| 06:53.02 | Pyista42 | its trying to bring in libmysqlclientxxx as a dependency |
| 06:53.02 | cesurasean1 | pyista42, no it does not |
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| 06:53.26 | cesurasean1 | ok, maybe it does not! :) |
| 06:53.40 | Pyista42 | libmysqlclient15off{a} libpq5{a} mysql-common{a} |
| 06:53.41 | cesurasean1 | dondelelcaro, you can help me out? |
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| 06:54.19 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean1: you're trying to ssh from the windows box? |
| 06:54.41 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean1: and you can ping the box that you're trying to ssh to? can you connect to any other ports on that machine? |
| 06:54.48 | Pyista42 | cesurasean1: so is it bringing in or ? |
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| 06:55.15 | cesurasean1 | let me test port 21 |
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| 06:56.06 | pallgone | Pyista42: it has support for mysql |
| 06:56.16 | cesurasean1 | I can't bring up anything, but a ping |
| 06:56.34 | pallgone | cesurasean1: turn the firewall off on the win machine |
| 06:56.41 | cesurasean1 | i did |
| 06:56.44 | cesurasean1 | not success |
| 06:56.55 | pallgone | any other stuff that blocks traffic? |
| 06:57.12 | cesurasean1 | no |
| 06:57.35 | pallgone | use wireshark to see what happens on the network interface :) |
| 06:57.43 | Pyista42 | pallgone: but its not installing mysql server by just installing dovecot right? |
| 06:57.43 | cesurasean1 | wireshark? |
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| 06:58.30 | cesurasean1 | why cant i connect from WINDOWS???!!! |
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| 06:59.49 | pallgone | Pyista42: no, those are just the libraries |
| 07:00.53 | Pyista42 | ah |
| 07:03.47 | itchi | oh, just do a telnet connection, if it accept, you know it's ok. Telnet is just useless for whatever but is great to test if a port is open :P |
| 07:05.17 | itchi | and yeah, if the telnet connection is accepted, just kill the telnet session, it will flash a bit :D |
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| 07:06.40 | itchi | cesurasean1: Are you sure ssh is been running on the other side, who know it dies maybe?? |
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| 07:07.19 | cesurasean1 | how do i scroll to the bottom of syslog through ssh? |
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| 07:08.05 | cahoot | cat? |
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| 07:10.53 | necr0n | cesurasean1: tail -n 20 /var/log/syslog for example |
| 07:13.20 | cesurasean1 | how can i check why my laptop isnt connecting? |
| 07:13.27 | cesurasean1 | is there an ssh log somewhere? |
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| 07:14.49 | Dewi | cesurasean1: there's a /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:15.38 | Dewi | cesurasean1: that'll show anything related to auth failure. If anything else is going on it should be in one of syslog, messages, or daemon.log |
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| 07:16.46 | cesurasean1 | here is my pastebin, Dewi |
| 07:17.34 | Dewi | cesurasean1: tail -f is handy for continuously following the end of logs while you test, btw |
| 07:18.03 | cesurasean1 | why would it reject 1 computer, but connect fine from every other??? |
| 07:18.19 | Dewi | cesurasean1: where's the paste url? |
| 07:19.40 | cesurasean1 | what do you want me to paste? |
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| 07:20.02 | Dewi | cesurasean1: the url of the pastebin page |
| 07:20.50 | cesurasean1 | http://pastebin.com/snd07rd8 |
| 07:20.54 | cesurasean1 | what else do you need? |
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| 07:22.19 | necr0n | cesurasean1: is there something in INPUT chain? iptables -nL INPUT Or maybe some issues at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 07:22.19 | Dewi | cesurasean1: nothing about sshd in there |
| 07:23.19 | cesurasean1 | how do i copy all of sshd_config? |
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| 07:25.33 | necr0n | cesurasean1: use pastebin again ) |
| 07:30.33 | cesurasean1 | what do you want me to pastebin? |
| 07:30.36 | cesurasean1 | be more specific |
| 07:30.46 | cesurasean1 | I can connect from ALL machines except windows. :( |
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| 07:32.12 | pallgone | cesurasean1: do you know tcpdump? for windows there is windump |
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| 07:35.13 | necr0n | cesurasean1: one can restrict connections to sshd through DenyUsers option at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 07:38.18 | cesurasean1 | I still cannot connect |
| 07:38.23 | cesurasean1 | and ive tried all that! |
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| 07:42.31 | necr0n | cesurasean1: did you check brandmauer settings on your windows client pc? |
| 07:42.44 | cesurasean1 | brandmauer settings? |
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| 07:47.47 | necr0n | well, firewall. i dont sure how it is called in windows |
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| 07:50.56 | cesurasean1 | ok, i can ping, but now i can't connect to the host |
| 07:51.09 | cesurasean1 | can someone help me? |
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| 07:53.36 | necr0n | well if you can connect from other pc it means there is no problem on sshd side |
| 07:53.56 | WormFood | are the 3945 wireless drivers in debian fucked or something? why in the fuck do I get so many "failed to get channel info for channel xx" messages when I run kismet, but works great on other distros? |
| 07:54.03 | cesurasean1 | i cant connect from any machine, now |
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| 07:55.47 | lamah | how can i lock folder with chmod (permissions) to be use/view only by root? |
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| 07:56.55 | pallgone | WormFood: why don't you use other distros and go to their # to say the f-word |
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| 07:57.33 | BenBE | I have a multiscreen setup (projector left, primary/tft right) in TwinView (NV drivers). When I try to move a window from the primary to the beamer it rejects to do it. Any other way than opening the window on the target screen? |
| 07:58.27 | WormFood | pallgone, because my problem is with debian, and not other distros |
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| 07:59.23 | pallgone | WormFood: do you expect anyone to help you when get in here and talk like that? I won't help you, so much is sure |
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| 08:00.02 | WormFood | pallgone, then shut the fuck up...you think you're helping? |
| 08:00.09 | pallgone | !op |
| 08:00.31 | cahoot | WormFood: since iwl3945 is part of the kernel I can't see why it should differ between distros |
| 08:00.48 | WormFood | cahoot, I don't see any reason either...it is VERY frustrating. |
| 08:00.54 | cesurasean1 | i can ping the host from itself, but cannot connect to ssh from itself, or any other computer. what should i do??? |
| 08:01.08 | necr0n | lamah: chown root /path/to/dir && chmod 700 /path/to/dir |
| 08:01.08 | cesurasean1 | i can also ping from the windows machine, too |
| 08:01.48 | WormFood | cesurasean1, have you installed a firewall or anything like that, that could be causing the problem? |
| 08:02.09 | pallgone | cesurasean1: from itself? do you have an ssh server on the machine? |
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| 08:02.28 | WormFood | cesurasean1, does nmap show any open ports? |
| 08:02.29 | cesurasean1 | yes |
| 08:02.37 | cesurasean1 | nmap? |
| 08:02.39 | cesurasean1 | let me check |
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| 08:03.02 | necr0n | cesurasean1: netstat -nlp | grep ":22" |
| 08:04.34 | WormFood | and I haven't had this problem with other NICs either, but this is a fresh install, so I'll try it with my usb wireless, and see if it gives the same problem (which should isolate the problem to kismet or the wireless drivers) |
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| 08:18.05 | Obligatory | Has anyone noticed Iceweasel is hanging more often. Last few days, several 100% CPU hits, had to close it. Yech. |
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| 08:19.04 | Obligatory | iceweasel v3.5.15-1 if it matters. Used to be pretty solid... |
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| 08:20.48 | ix0z | Hey guys. I'm trying to instal debian 5.07 via usb but it asks for cd rom modules etc. I don't have a cd-rom drive. I tried install from the netinst image but I don't have a eth0 connection, only wireless. |
| 08:21.01 | ix0z | How can I install? xD |
| 08:21.03 | cesurasean1 | necr0n, i still cant connect! |
| 08:21.32 | cesurasean1 | i keep getting connection refused |
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| 08:21.42 | cesurasean1 | where are the error logs for SSH? |
| 08:22.09 | dsockwell | ix0z: do you have an ethernet port? |
| 08:22.14 | ix0z | dsockwell, yes. |
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| 08:22.48 | ix0z | dsockwell, My only option for internet at the moment is wireless. |
| 08:22.54 | dsockwell | ix0z: it's probably easiest for you to go somewhere where you have access to a wired connection |
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| 08:23.18 | dsockwell | ix0z: otherwise, try debian 6 |
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| 08:23.49 | ix0z | Debian 6? O.o |
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| 08:24.03 | dsockwell | yes, debian squeeze |
| 08:24.09 | dsockwell | as opposed to lenny |
| 08:24.20 | ix0z | Ah okay. There is a good chance it will work? |
| 08:24.22 | jelly | technically it's not 6 yet, dsockwell |
| 08:24.28 | ix0z | I don't really have room to use all my bandwidth. |
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| 08:24.52 | dsockwell | oops, just squeeze then. |
| 08:25.27 | ix0z | How would squeeze differ? I don't see why it wouldn't ask me the same cd-rom questions. |
| 08:25.36 | dsockwell | ix0z: squeeze has better wireless support for the install than lenny does, but it's really meant to be done over wired |
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| 08:26.04 | ix0z | Ah, So it gives me an option to connect via wireless? |
| 08:26.35 | dsockwell | if i recall correctly, yes. I've always been on a robust LAN so I've not tried it. |
| 08:28.00 | ix0z | Okay. I'll give squeeze netinst a go. |
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| 08:29.02 | dsockwell | ix0z: don't expect it to support WPA or WPA2 |
| 08:29.16 | ix0z | damnit. |
| 08:29.17 | ix0z | :P |
| 08:29.27 | ix0z | I could change it to WPE for now I guess. |
| 08:29.32 | ix0z | WEP* |
| 08:29.48 | dsockwell | are you trying to install on a tethered cell? |
| 08:30.09 | cesurasean1 | what is the easiest way to reinstall SSH server? |
| 08:30.34 | ix0z | dsockwell, Was that directed at me? |
| 08:30.41 | dsockwell | yes, sorry |
| 08:30.48 | ix0z | dsockwell, No. Just a notebook. |
| 08:31.13 | dsockwell | and you have control over your WAP but not a wired connection? |
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| 08:31.54 | ix0z | yes. |
| 08:32.25 | dsockwell | ok, i don't care to know any more. godspeed. |
| 08:32.35 | ix0z | rofl. thank you. O.o |
| 08:33.08 | dsockwell | but really, beg/borrow/steal an ethernet link, just for the installation |
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| 08:34.11 | ix0z | dsockwell, I don't believe the ethernet port works. I tried plugging in a cat5 cable and it didn't configure the network |
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| 08:35.22 | ix0z | Brbr. |
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| 08:38.41 | cesurasean1 | server:~# ssh 192.168.1.99 |
| 08:38.41 | cesurasean1 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.99 port 22: Connection refused |
| 08:38.53 | cesurasean1 | can someone help me fix this? what is the best way to reconfigure ssh???? |
| 08:38.58 | cesurasean1 | please help! |
| 08:39.57 | vtts | cesurasean1, to reconfigure: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 08:40.07 | vtts | to reinstall: aptitude reinstall openssh-server |
| 08:40.30 | vtts | but the problem might be elsewhere |
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| 08:41.50 | vtts | first of all, check on console if the ssh daemon is running on the server (pgrep sshd, netstat -nlt) |
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| 08:47.14 | alcy | Folks, to remove certain dependencies from a debian package, do I just need to edit the control files for these ? |
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| 08:54.27 | itchi | What do you think about my custom irc stats visual? http://dvm.zapto.org:8080/debian-nl-ircstats/ |
| 08:54.34 | itchi | it's for #debian-nl |
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| 08:54.55 | itchi | Tuxed a bit for our local support channel |
| 08:55.29 | itchi | Looks that ok to be used officially? |
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| 09:00.35 | zealiod | I am trying to replace the contents of a file with a string, is there a linux one liner to do this? |
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| 09:01.16 | xyan | echo "some string" > file |
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| 09:02.29 | itchi | xyan: Would work if file already exist |
| 09:02.52 | xyan | itchi: the file exists if it has content does it |
| 09:03.24 | itchi | xyan: your command doesn't work in this case :D |
| 09:03.28 | xyan | what? |
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| 09:03.40 | itchi | xyan: bash: /tmp/test: cannot overwrite existing file |
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| 09:04.06 | xyan | if you dont own it sure |
| 09:04.21 | itchi | zealiod: What's the purpose? Cause there are 36 different ways to do and depending of the use |
| 09:04.30 | itchi | xyan: dude, try it ;-) |
| 09:04.33 | zealiod | i tried that even with sudo, and it tells me permisison denied |
| 09:04.45 | xyan | lsattr it |
| 09:04.48 | xyan | might be +i |
| 09:04.51 | zealiod | i want to automate the changing of the /etc/timezone file |
| 09:04.54 | zealiod | with a shell script |
| 09:05.00 | itchi | oh pizza is ready, brb |
| 09:05.28 | zealiod | xyan: any other ideas? |
| 09:05.40 | xyan | zealiod: no, check the permissions |
| 09:05.45 | xyan | zealiod: try as root |
| 09:05.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | zealiod: use the right tool for the job |
| 09:06.07 | zealiod | Kamping_Kaiser: heh? |
| 09:06.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:06.29 | zealiod | Kamping_Kaiser: twas my plan to do this... |
| 09:06.30 | zealiod | sudo "Europe/Dublin" > /etc/timezone |
| 09:06.30 | zealiod | sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata |
| 09:06.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | zealiod: to go back to the permissions problem, the shell drops permissions at redirecdtions |
| 09:06.42 | xyan | zealiod: you forgot to echo^^ |
| 09:06.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | zealiod: so as soon as you use > you are back as a user |
| 09:06.56 | zealiod | xyan: ahhhh |
| 09:06.58 | zealiod | let me try |
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| 09:07.27 | zealiod | still permissions |
| 09:07.31 | zealiod | ok, let me attacke permissions |
| 09:08.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you insist on using echos as non root, echo foo |sudo tee tzconfigfile |
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| 09:11.11 | zealiod | got it, thanks |
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| 09:11.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl |
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| 09:55.13 | FastOCR | PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI PUDDI |
| 09:55.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you have a question? |
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| 09:55.32 | FastOCR | yeah |
| 09:55.39 | FastOCR | anyone here ever been raped in the ass by a horse? |
| 09:55.58 | KRF | no, sorry. cant help ya with that |
| 09:56.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops FastOCR spamming |
| 09:56.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kamping_kaiser complains about: FastOCR spamming |
| 09:56.15 | FastOCR | !ops Kamping_Kaiser being a faggot |
| 09:56.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: fastocr complains about: Kamping_Kaiser being a faggot |
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| 10:01.16 | stylesen | can someone point me to the official document which says apt-get is deprecated and we need to use aptitude? |
| 10:02.38 | FastOCR | here http://debian.on.nimp.org |
| 10:02.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: this isn't an answer, but in the last 2 months this was mentioned in relation to the release notes on deb-dev list |
| 10:02.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: ignore FastOCR , its a troll |
| 10:03.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: iirc it was osma of the doco team and stephen l in the discussion if that helps you search |
| 10:03.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | *emails as steve |
| 10:04.09 | stylesen | Kamping_Kaiser: I read that somewhere, maybe in the mailing list, will search |
| 10:05.16 | Dewi | stylesen: aptitude recorded more metadata for many years |
| 10:05.40 | Bartzy | Hi, in my /etc/rsyslog.conf I did this : http://pastebin.com/JvAiWfUP |
| 10:05.54 | stylesen | Dewi: now am confused, but I swear somewhere I said, please use aptitude |
| 10:06.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi: perhaps it does, but thats not an answer to the question |
| 10:06.21 | Bartzy | I did it in order to get all kern.warning (The firewall logs there) to /var/log/firewall.log.. is that ok ? /var/log/messages will now show more or less logs due to it ? |
| 10:06.23 | stylesen | s/but I swear somewhere I said, please use aptitude/but I swear somewhere it said, please use aptitude/ |
| 10:06.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | idoru: thanks |
| 10:06.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: release notes probably, and dpkg (the bot) |
| 10:06.49 | stylesen | dpkg: apt-get |
| 10:06.50 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 10:07.05 | stylesen | dpkg: apt-get deprecated |
| 10:07.05 | dpkg | no idea, stylesen |
| 10:07.27 | stylesen | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 10:07.27 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 10:08.08 | Dewi | stylesen: I am not aware of any deprecation, but apt-get was surpassed by aptitude many years ago, and has been recommended ever since. |
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| 10:08.31 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 10:08.39 | AlexC_ | is there a default maximum username length in Lenny? |
| 10:08.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: you can messag ethe bot if you plant to query it a lot |
| 10:09.48 | stylesen | Kamping_Kaiser: okie |
| 10:10.33 | Dewi | stylesen: apt-get has been updated to be more like aptitude in the last couple of years, so the distinction is not as important now |
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| 10:11.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | stylesen: whichever you choose, you should generally stick to that one. unless its changed recently they don't share their package databases |
| 10:11.13 | stylesen | Dewi: I started using aptitude a year back and felt it is much nicer than apt-get |
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| 10:11.39 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: only part of it wasn't shared, but it's my understanding apt-get does use that now. |
| 10:12.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi: does what? track packages or share its installed packages database? |
| 10:12.06 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: not sure how well though, so I'd always recommend aptitude |
| 10:12.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | how well what? :| |
| 10:13.08 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: they always backed onto your dpkg database, but aptitude used to have an extra one, which apt-get took years to support but now does in some form |
| 10:13.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi: i'm aware of that. its the one i was commenting on. |
| 10:14.04 | Dewi | apt-get didn't track the A (automatic) flag at all until recently |
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| 10:17.29 | kri5 | Hi there, were should i ask for debian package support? |
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| 10:19.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | kri5: in what sense? |
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| 10:19.47 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, got some problem with openafs-client package on debian squeeze, it seems to not build the correct module for the kernel |
| 10:20.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | kri5: if its a debian package why not use the precompiled one? |
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| 10:20.45 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, that is what i am doing, i'm installing it trought apt-get |
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| 10:21.05 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, but it needs to compile a kernel module to work |
| 10:21.29 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, and it seems to do so, but not for the good target, so that afs doesn't find it |
| 10:21.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | kri5: ah. check the bts then, it may be a known problem |
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| 10:21.56 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, ok, i'll check it |
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| 10:23.16 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, doesn't seem that there is a reported bug for this |
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| 10:24.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | kri5: if the packages were uploaded recently builds may still be in the works |
| 10:25.20 | petern_ | hmm, is there a nice debian way to have a usable snort on lenny? |
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| 10:25.41 | kri5 | Kamping_Kaiser, yes that is what i think :) |
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| 10:30.57 | petern_ | (or is it just not possible? :s) |
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| 10:31.31 | petern_ | should i just bite the bullet and start compiling crap like libpcap from source? :s |
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| 10:33.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | petern_: why doesn't the existing one work? |
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| 10:34.41 | petern_ | it's rather old, and there are no updated rulesets |
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| 10:35.03 | petern_ | well, not official, and i haven't found any unofficial |
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| 10:36.10 | sexyblondexx | The best porn in www.pornbest.tk |
| 10:36.13 | sexyblondexx | -----------The best porn in www.pornbest.tk |
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| 10:36.29 | petern_ | hmm, there are no updated rules even for the snort in sid :S |
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| 10:40.16 | petern_ | quite annoying, i don't really like littering my systems with stuff in /usr/local :( |
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| 10:43.45 | Sookie | hi all, I cannot turn off bell system sound... I put set bell-style none in inputrc, and unloaded pcspkr & snd_pscp modules :/ |
| 10:44.22 | cahoot | they're not reloaded? |
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| 10:50.44 | krion | hi |
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| 10:51.03 | krion | i wonder how i can enable coredump on the all system |
| 10:51.24 | krion | i'm aware of the ulimit -c unlimited but wouldn't enable coredump only for the shell from where it's running ? |
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| 10:51.45 | krion | the thing is i got some gateway who freeze and don't know why |
| 10:52.13 | Sookie | cahoot: no, they aren't |
| 10:52.38 | Sookie | cahoot: I put modprobe -r pscpkr and same for snd_pscp in rc.local ( before exit 0 ) |
| 10:53.44 | cahoot | and lsmod|grep pcsp returns empty? |
| 10:54.53 | vtts | krion, you could try /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 10:54.53 | babilen | krion: See "man 5 limits.conf" |
| 10:55.07 | babilen | *phew* that was close :) |
| 10:55.13 | vtts | :) |
| 10:55.45 | babilen | vtts: but good work, path+doc should be all krion needs :) |
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| 10:57.20 | vtts | well... limits.conf might not help if it is kernel what crashes |
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| 11:00.02 | Sookie | cahoot: yes |
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| 11:01.00 | babilen | krion: I found 1.2 in the following link incredibly helpful: http://www.randombugs.com/linux/core-dumps-linux.html |
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| 11:02.23 | cahoot | Sookie: no entry like 'Bepp' in alsamixer? |
| 11:02.27 | cahoot | Beep |
| 11:02.59 | sid | um.. |
| 11:03.10 | krion | thanks for all guys, i'm gonna have a look at all of that |
| 11:03.57 | Sookie | cahoot: I don't have alsamixer atm |
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| 11:04.09 | Sookie | cahoot: I should install alsa-tools or all alsa ? |
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| 11:08.21 | sid | apt-get instal alsa-utils; alsaconf |
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| 11:08.25 | cahoot | Sookie: what does amixer scontents | grep -iA6 beep return? |
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| 11:12.33 | Sookie | cahoot: I don't have amixer |
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| 11:15.28 | cahoot | do you run debian? |
| 11:16.25 | Sookie | ... yes I run it |
| 11:16.31 | krion | babilen: thanks i applied :) |
| 11:16.54 | krion | it doesn't specify that you can force the path in sysctl.conf, i should comments |
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| 11:17.09 | cahoot | Sookie: alsa-utils installed? |
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| 11:19.58 | krambiorix | hi guys, i want to install g++ but i get a broken packages error, what can i do about that? |
| 11:20.12 | Sookie | cahoot: I have it now, but when I type alsamixer "mixer: cannot open file" |
| 11:20.43 | Bartzy | Hi, in my /etc/rsyslog.conf I did this : http://pastebin.com/JvAiWfUP |
| 11:20.47 | Bartzy | I did it in order to get all kern.warning (The firewall logs there) to /var/log/firewall.log.. is that ok ? /var/log/messages will now show more or less logs due to it ? |
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| 11:21.55 | babilen | !tell krambiorix -about bat |
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| 11:22.12 | babilen | krambiorix: Get us the information dpkg just asked you about and we'll have a look |
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| 11:23.49 | homie | what may be the issue with acpid and kde, i disabled control for video in acpid, and turned off DPMS in xorg.conf and kpowersave is not running, yet the screen does DPMS sporadically ? |
| 11:24.36 | macrobat | isn't g++ a part of gcc? |
| 11:24.52 | krambiorix | babilen, http://pastebin.com/Ppsy5EKF |
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| 11:25.33 | tarzeau | macrobat: yes it is |
| 11:25.43 | tarzeau | macrobat: not the package though |
| 11:25.46 | homie | ah mostly hal |
| 11:25.50 | tarzeau | macrobat: just the source distribution/webpage |
| 11:26.04 | macrobat | aha |
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| 11:27.32 | babilen | krambiorix: Please also provide the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy g++ gcc g++-4.3 gcc-4.3" and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:28.13 | babilen | krambiorix: Preferably in one paste |
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| 11:29.58 | krambiorix | babilen, please http://pastebin.com/dY6L46tj |
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| 11:32.57 | babilen | krambiorix: Backports if officially hosted by Debian these days. Could you change your sources.list to reflect this change as detailed in http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ ? |
| 11:33.02 | babilen | s/if/is |
| 11:34.34 | krambiorix | babilen, done |
| 11:35.52 | babilen | krambiorix: Run "aptitude update" and try "aptitude install g++" -- if that is still not working provide the information requested earlier again and we'll delve into it in more detail. |
| 11:37.52 | pif | hi, any idea why ssl is not enabled in squid3 ? |
| 11:37.56 | krambiorix | babilen, ok thx |
| 11:38.08 | babilen | krambiorix: working now? |
| 11:38.57 | pif | ah, fucking licensing problems |
| 11:39.05 | pif | openssl must die |
| 11:39.37 | krambiorix | babilen, no not working : http://pastebin.com/TGNkX5QX |
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| 11:39.53 | mkad | Hi |
| 11:39.59 | mkad | can someone help me with package dependencies |
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| 11:40.34 | babilen | krambiorix: I said "aptitude install g++" :-) |
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| 11:41.10 | RoyK | hi all. is this the right place to ask for debian/kfreebsd? |
| 11:41.22 | mkad | I would like to see (not to upgrade) what packages are available in experimental, usually I did apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade then cancel and if there was new mesa or something I wanted I installed it by apt-get -t experimental install, however dist-upgrade does not work for me now I get "openjdk-6-jre : Depends: openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b20-1.9.2-1) but it is not going to be installed" and openjdk is not installed on my computer. Any help ? |
| 11:41.30 | RoyK | I'm looking for an .iso, but I can't find one under http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-amd64/ |
| 11:41.35 | babilen | krambiorix: And you have to use "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free" for backports these days |
| 11:41.38 | ov3rmind | hi debian's let's go to one happy day to anybody |
| 11:43.06 | krambiorix | babilen, well, the page you showed me said it differently |
| 11:43.41 | krambiorix | babilen, but still, doesn't work :s |
| 11:44.09 | krambiorix | babilen:http://pastebin.com/8VSNGcr9 :D |
| 11:44.18 | babilen | krambiorix: If we are talking about: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ it does not. See "Add backports to your sources.list" |
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| 11:45.36 | babilen | krambiorix: Ok, run "aptitude install g++" and paste all information again ... sorry for the hassle, but I want to start from a good state. (i.e. backports configured correctly) |
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| 11:46.33 | krambiorix | babilen:http://pastebin.com/8VSNGcr9 |
| 11:48.50 | babilen | krambiorix: Please: 1. Make sure you have adapted your sources.list for backports 2. "aptitude update" 3. "aptitude full-upgrade" 4. "aptitude install g++" -- If that fails: Paste "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy g++ gcc g++-4.3 gcc-4.3 ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list" (note *aptitude*) |
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| 11:49.48 | babilen | krambiorix: You could also try "aptitude install g++-4.3" just to make sure that it is not a problem with the g++ metapackage (g++ should be installable though) |
| 11:50.36 | krambiorix | babilen, this is a server with 20 websites and some apps on , can i just do apt-get full-upgrade? |
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| 11:52.20 | babilen | krambiorix: If you are unsure about it: Paste the list of proposed actions. But given that you are running stable this should only install security updates. And please, do *me* a favour and use *aptitude* |
| 11:52.57 | krambiorix | babilen, i thought it was the same apt-get & aptitude |
| 11:53.27 | babilen | krambiorix: True to some extent |
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| 11:54.23 | babilen | krambiorix: I just want to see what solutions aptitude is proposing as it has better dependency resolution and will let you choose different solutions ineractively |
| 11:55.30 | krambiorix | babilen, you're right, aptitude offers me to downgrade some packages to install g++ |
| 11:57.06 | krambiorix | babilen, it has been installed! |
| 11:57.10 | krambiorix | thx a bunch! |
| 11:57.53 | babilen | krambiorix: May I take a look at the proposed solution? |
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| 11:58.08 | krambiorix | babilen, how do you mean? |
| 11:58.57 | babilen | krambiorix: Just the "Packages to be upgraded: ...." bit -- basically just the output of aptitude ... (I'm just curious what caused this behaviour and what actions were necessary) |
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| 11:59.43 | babilen | But I am glad that it worked ... did the "aptitude full-upgrade" come up with anything surprising? |
| 12:00.07 | krambiorix | babilen, here's the output of aptitude install g++ http://pastebin.com/9kvMyXJ5 |
| 12:00.17 | krambiorix | babilen, i didn't do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:00.25 | krambiorix | i'm scared :D |
| 12:02.37 | babilen | krambiorix: Ok, the problem was that you had gcc installed from bdo which was no longer available. You could also have opted to install g++ from bdo if you need 4.3.4 instead of 4.3.2 (aptitude -t lenny-backports install g++) |
| 12:02.51 | krambiorix | ow ok |
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| 12:03.22 | babilen | krambiorix: Do not worry. If you want to be 100% sure that nothing bad will happen paste output of: "aptitude -s full-upgrade" |
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| 12:03.58 | babilen | krambiorix: But updating a stable server should not interrupt your services, as it will just install *security* fixes and is therefore also a good idea. |
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| 12:04.24 | krambiorix | ok i'll do it |
| 12:04.27 | babilen | krambiorix: I even doubt that "full-upgrade" is necessary and that a "upgrade"/"safe-upgrade" will be all you need (if at all) |
| 12:05.05 | krambiorix | babilen, ok i did a full-upgrade, nothing changed |
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| 12:05.48 | babilen | wonderful -- your system is up-to-date. May you have a nice day! |
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| 12:06.41 | _rd | !compiz |
| 12:06.42 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:07.11 | babilen | _rd: Please message/query the bot. "/msg dpkg compiz" |
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| 12:08.26 | _rd | hi. I followed this page http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for kde, but nothing changed even after enabling 3d fx, ideas ? |
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| 12:09.30 | krambiorix | babilen, thanks again! |
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| 12:10.11 | babilen | krambiorix: You are welcome :) |
| 12:11.40 | babilen | _rd: You ran "compiz --replace" didn't you? (after restarting X) |
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| 12:13.07 | krambiorix | another quick question, how can i see if i'm running on a 32 or 64 bit machine? |
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| 12:14.01 | babilen | krambiorix: "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 12:14.27 | krambiorix | aha great, thx again babilen |
| 12:14.32 | ThePub | what's the point of running an xsession manager? does it ensure a graceful quit for applications? |
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| 12:17.10 | babilen | krambiorix: That will tell you which architecture is installed. If you want to find out if you machine would be capable of running amd64 execute "grep --color lm /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 12:17.43 | abrotman | ThePub: you mean a display manager? |
| 12:17.50 | krambiorix | ok thx |
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| 12:19.04 | krambiorix | babilen, since i'm asking/learning anyway : how can i see where i installed a deb file? |
| 12:19.19 | babilen | krambiorix: What do you mean? |
| 12:19.34 | sep | krambiorix, dpkg -L packagename will show you all the files in the package. |
| 12:19.39 | babilen | krambiorix: You can list ^^^ |
| 12:19.42 | babilen | ;) |
| 12:21.14 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 12:21.14 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 12:21.22 | ThePub | abrotman: if I have this correction, display managers only initiate sessions.. i.e. they call a session manager of some sort. |
| 12:21.35 | abrotman | a display manager like GDM or KDM? |
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| 12:22.32 | sfjkg | guys, i have a strage one |
| 12:22.44 | sfjkg | ive got a laptop, silicon motion gfx chipset |
| 12:22.57 | abrotman | how old is that? |
| 12:23.09 | sfjkg | and basically after starting X i cant see a thing in the ttys. |
| 12:23.12 | sfjkg | its 2003 |
| 12:23.16 | sfjkg | i think |
| 12:24.53 | sfjkg | using the vesa driver gets me a black screen :| |
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| 12:29.54 | sfjkg | hmm nvm its a bug in lenny |
| 12:30.24 | sfjkg | i'll try another distro since the bug doesnt appear to be fixed in the last couple of years |
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| 12:36.37 | Erbureth | Bartzy: man ls |
| 12:37.03 | Erbureth | and man cat |
| 12:37.08 | Erbureth | *man cut |
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| 12:57.34 | axx_ | hi all, after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze, I had to reinstall mysql-server (which brought me to v 5.1) |
| 12:58.09 | axx_ | but I can't seem to login to the mysql server as anything but root, is there something I'm supposed to do to get regular accounts working again? |
| 12:58.16 | axx_ | sorry if this sounds like a silly question |
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| 13:00.14 | brahman | axx: When logged in as root, can you see non root User isn mysql.user? |
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| 13:01.21 | brahman | axx_: select User,Host from mysql.user; |
| 13:01.48 | axx_ | IÂ logged in as root into phpmyadmin, and all users seemed to be there |
| 13:01.55 | axx_ | I'll check with that command |
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| 13:05.43 | axx_ | brahman: yup, I can see all my users |
| 13:05.55 | axx_ | (thanks for helping me btw, I appreciate it :)) |
| 13:06.13 | mrcarrot | is there any repo with well working kde3 packages for squeeze? |
| 13:07.43 | brahman | axx_: do the users have their passwords set? are they allowed to access from where you are accessing from? Has anything else changed apart from the reeinstall, ie networking? |
| 13:08.31 | brahman | axx_: Can you loggin via the cli with mysql -u <username> -p <password> ? |
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| 13:08.59 | babilen | mrcarrot: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ -- I have no experience with it though, but it has been recommended on d-u |
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| 13:09.44 | mrcarrot | what is d-u? |
| 13:09.50 | babilen | debian-user mailing list |
| 13:11.04 | mrcarrot | hmm... those have kde3 in the names. that means that i can not upgrade a working lenny to squeeze without trouble. otherwise i could pin them from that repo |
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| 13:13.23 | babilen | mrcarrot: kde-trinity ? |
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| 13:14.40 | babilen | mrcarrot: I have never used KDE so I can't really offer help with trinity -- I just remembered that it has been recommended to Squeeze users who want to stay with the deprecated KDE3 |
| 13:14.50 | Bartzy | Hi, in my /etc/rsyslog.conf I did this : http://pastebin.com/JvAiWfUP |
| 13:14.52 | Bartzy | I did it in order to get all kern.warning (The firewall logs there) to /var/log/firewall.log.. is that ok ? /var/log/messages will now show more or less logs due to it ? |
| 13:14.59 | mrcarrot | babilen: i mixed it with another one... will check it up |
| 13:16.36 | mrcarrot | they add -trinity to each package... that was the problem with this repo |
| 13:17.06 | axx_ | brahman: sorry for the delay⦠so: passwords set, accessing from localhost to localhost, and apart from running âaptitude install mysql-serverâ I haven't done anything I can think of |
| 13:17.23 | babilen | mrcarrot: Why exactly is that a problem? It seems to be a sensible thing to do in order to introduce a unique namespace for package names. |
| 13:17.30 | mrcarrot | how could i get apt-get or aptitude to not replace my packges with kde4 packages but instead add that -trinity part |
| 13:18.12 | mrcarrot | babilen: i have a system where i do not want to reinstall everything, but to just simply upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 13:18.31 | mrcarrot | babilen: and i do not want to pick all the kde packages separetly again |
| 13:18.35 | babilen | mrcarrot: Can't you install kde-trinity on lenny and upgrade *those* as well when you upgrade the rest of the system to Squeeze? Or just remove kde prior to your upgrade and install the trinity once afterwards |
| 13:18.39 | axx_ | brahman: I get ERROR 1040 (08004): Too many connections |
| 13:18.49 | krion | hum, i modify security/limits.conf in order to get coredump file |
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| 13:19.05 | babilen | mrcarrot: Squeeze ships KDE4 -- Use that |
| 13:19.15 | axx_ | looking this up |
| 13:19.16 | krion | i guess i have to reboot my server in order to get coredump file for all the process which are actually running |
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| 13:21.41 | niklaswe | krion: i think you can run pkill -QUIT pgrogam to get an core dump |
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| 13:24.26 | brahman | axx_: sorry I went to grab some food. have a look at: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/user-resources.html |
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| 13:24.53 | axx_ | brahman: no pb, thanks for helping in the 1st place⦠shall read, thanks |
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| 13:25.27 | brahman | axx_: You could increase number of connections.try running: show processlist |
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| 13:26.18 | babilen | axx_: You might want to read the documentation for 5.1 and ask in #mysql as well. I am not sure if this really is a Debian problem. You might want to raise the number of allowed connections. |
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| 13:26.45 | axx_ | my funambol server (personal information manager) is using up loads of connections indeed⦠|
| 13:27.10 | brahman | axx_: Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt! ;-) |
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| 13:27.33 | axx_ | babilen: yes I think I'll do that⦠I came here first as sometimes it's a quick fix and another Debian user can give you the solution |
| 13:27.54 | axx_ | brahman: thanks for that, I'll figure it out from here I think :) |
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| 13:28.12 | brahman | axx_: np. Good luck. |
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| 13:45.52 | xro | hi, i need a confirmation... if i do --> crontab -e 1 * * * * www-data [perl /path/to/pewrlScrip.pl -command1 -comman2] it will execute my perl script as www-data? right? |
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| 13:57.00 | WormFood | what is "the debian way" to set MAIN_LOCAL_INTERFACES for exim4? I only see it using it, if it is set, but it is not being set anywhere, and I just want to know the "proper" place to add it (at least so it won't get clobbered with the next update) |
| 13:59.00 | necr0n | xro: put it in /etc/crontab. works fine for me |
| 13:59.31 | xro | necr0n, ok thanks |
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| 14:14.07 | tquinn | does anyone know how to allow a user to run System->Administration->[Time and Date] or [Users and Groups] in gnome? running a fresh squeeze install |
| 14:14.36 | tquinn | at the moment it complains about not being able to launch dbus-daemon-launch-helper |
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| 14:15.46 | WormFood | when I file a bug report, do I get an email response? |
| 14:15.54 | JPT | tquinn: i guess there is a special usergroup that is allowed to do that |
| 14:16.14 | JPT | or you'll need root permission. in that case, configure your users to use sudo and/or put them in the wheel group |
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| 14:17.54 | tquinn | ah, the wheel group doesn't exist i've added the user to the sudo group but still doesn't work, also root cannot launch users-admin or time-admin either... |
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| 14:25.51 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 14:26.04 | sec_goat | Good morning! |
| 14:26.06 | AlexC_ | what happens if I delete a group that many users are part of? Is the group removed from these users in /etc/passwd ? |
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| 14:27.35 | rabbit64 | Hello, does someone know how to enable ipv6 dhcp in debian (i have ubuntu, but I don't want to use NetworkManager GUI, rather some configuration file in /etc/)? I have fully functional radvd with stateful configuration and dhcpv6 server running, but my node doesn't want to use dhcpv6. |
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| 14:29.00 | jijojohn | ok anyone tell me what is debian |
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| 14:29.24 | cahoot | try debian.org |
| 14:29.36 | jijojohn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.04 | jijojohn | anyone tell me what ido with the iso image i get on the debian.org |
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| 14:30.56 | bolt | jijojohn: troll? |
| 14:31.12 | jijojohn | bolt what |
| 14:31.20 | bolt | jijojohn: what do you want? |
| 14:32.01 | jelly | bolt: are there trolls in India? |
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| 14:32.30 | bolt | jelly: not sure |
| 14:32.36 | bolt | jelly: that's why i ask :) |
| 14:32.42 | cahoot | do they exist outside the net? |
| 14:32.52 | bolt | jelly: seems weird to obtain an iso, then ask what it is and what to do with it |
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| 14:33.12 | jijojohn | anyone tell me what ido with the iso image i get on the debian.org |
| 14:33.32 | jelly | jijojohn: what is your native language? |
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| 14:33.45 | jijojohn | english |
| 14:33.55 | bolt | jijojohn: put it in the paper bin, empty trash. then read up on what linux is |
| 14:34.04 | bolt | jijojohn: debian is a linux distribution |
| 14:34.29 | jijojohn | ok tell me more abt debian |
| 14:34.48 | bolt | jijojohn: www.debian.org |
| 14:35.00 | cliper | lol |
| 14:35.01 | jijojohn | yah i visited that |
| 14:35.09 | cahoot | so read |
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| 14:35.18 | jijojohn | bt i dnt get more information |
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| 14:35.29 | bolt | jijojohn: what, specifically, do you want to know? |
| 14:35.40 | bzrk | it will help you get laid and get lots of money fast |
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| 14:36.21 | jelly | bzrk: hm, doesn't work like that for me. Which package do I file a bug for. |
| 14:36.25 | bzrk | xD |
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| 14:38.25 | bolt | followed jijojohn with /whois. he's now asking random questions in #ubuntu |
| 14:38.25 | bolt | ... |
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| 14:40.52 | Boo_Boo | /etc/init.d/ssh start ...Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdCould not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.....Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key ..can anyone tell me how to generate ssh_host_dsa_key ? |
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| 14:41.46 | homie | what does affect cpu snoop logic ? |
| 14:41.50 | homie | cpufreq ? |
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| 14:42.00 | homie | apci ? |
| 14:42.09 | homie | ups acpi i meant |
| 14:42.35 | homie | clocks ? |
| 14:42.38 | OpenTokix | Boo_Boo: http://tinyurl.com/39274h9 |
| 14:42.49 | jelly | Boo_Boo: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
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| 14:43.39 | Boo_Boo | thanks jelly worked :) |
| 14:44.10 | jelly | no, jelly is still working |
| 14:44.48 | Boo_Boo | lol |
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| 15:01.42 | iateadonut | xvidcap, a program that records from the screen, can capture the microphone pretty easily, but i can't get it to capture both the microphone and the sounds coming from the web browser. |
| 15:01.47 | iateadonut | any tips on this? |
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| 15:02.44 | iateadonut | [--aucodec <codec>] specify audio codec to use for multi-frame capture |
| 15:02.44 | iateadonut | [--aucodec-help] list available audio codecs for multi-frame capture |
| 15:02.44 | iateadonut | [--audio [yes|no]] turn on/off audio capture |
| 15:02.44 | iateadonut | [--audio_in <src>] specify audio input device or '-' for pipe input |
| 15:02.44 | iateadonut | [--audio_rate #] sample rate for audio capture |
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| 15:03.48 | iateadonut | [--aucodec <codec>] specify audio codec to use for multi-frame capture |
| 15:03.48 | iateadonut | [--audio_in <src>] specify audio input device or '-' for pipe input |
| 15:03.48 | iateadonut | [--audio_channels #] number of audio channels - some of the options from xvidcap |
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| 15:09.26 | DotHack | how is xen support in squeeze? |
| 15:09.50 | AlexC_ | is it possible to use 'mc' to connect to an SFTP host in a non-standard SSH port? |
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| 15:10.45 | angel-tsankov | how can I sync the clock on my PC |
| 15:11.20 | cahoot | !ntp |
| 15:11.21 | dpkg | [ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 15:12.05 | krion | hum, i don't get it |
| 15:12.18 | krion | i add this line to /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 15:12.29 | krion | * hard core 100000 |
| 15:12.38 | krion | then i reboot the server |
| 15:12.59 | BlackFate | AlexC_, select shell link from the menu.. and just add your host.. user@host:port |
| 15:13.07 | krion | but at a root prompt, ulimit -c still show me 0 |
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| 15:17.54 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: I've been trying this, but it just hangs. 'fish: Waiting for initial line...' and never asks for password |
| 15:18.13 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: doing it from my Arch linux installer however, works just fine (to the same host) |
| 15:19.10 | BlackFate | AlexC_, i tested it from Sid.. let me check it with stable |
| 15:20.12 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: mmm, I just tried to connect to the same SFTP host again from another Debian Lenny server and same issue |
| 15:21.18 | BlackFate | i guess you are right... it must be a debian bug |
| 15:21.33 | AlexC_ | =( |
| 15:21.50 | BlackFate | AlexC_, try apt pinning mc |
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| 15:25.55 | eshat | Did anyone got nspluginwrapper working properly with chromium ? |
| 15:26.02 | WormFood | is it my imagination, or does debian make the exim4 config files needlessly complex? I need to add something to them, and I have no clue where to add it, where it won't get erased with the next update. |
| 15:26.40 | karlpinc | WormFood: Debian does not overwrite changed config files. |
| 15:27.09 | abrotman | unless they're not marked as conf files |
| 15:27.20 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: did you try with a non-standard port, or port 22? |
| 15:27.26 | WormFood | eshat, I'd be happy to get any version of flash working properly with any browser....damn sound stutters all the time, and sometimes it works, just long enough to piss me off, for not working. |
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| 15:27.45 | BlackFate | AlexC_, yes.. i always use non standard ports |
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| 15:28.11 | eshat | WormFood: well if you are on i386, the new version should have better performance, |
| 15:28.20 | AlexC_ | BlackFate: kay, reporting the bug now |
| 15:28.22 | eshat | I mean the beta 1 of 10.2 |
| 15:29.35 | WormFood | eshat, I'm on amd64 |
| 15:30.01 | eshat | WormFood: I see,... |
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| 15:42.00 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 15:46.43 | Deathspawn | is it possible to put debian on a floppy? I have a computer with a broken cd rom, and the bios is too old for USB booting, even though it has two usb ports. |
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| 15:47.04 | catsup | you can boot from floppy |
| 15:47.21 | Deathspawn | yea |
| 15:47.53 | Deathspawn | the only other options i have for it are net install or live with Ubuntu 9.04 until it breaks. |
| 15:47.57 | catsup | maybe you can still put the entire installer on multiple floppies, but that's pointless |
| 15:48.11 | Deathspawn | what about the net install? |
| 15:48.13 | catsup | you can also install from within ubuntu |
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| 15:48.21 | catsup | net install is the same thing |
| 15:48.27 | Deathspawn | like, just boot from floppy, and download everything |
| 15:48.28 | catsup | it just means fewer packages on te cdrom |
| 15:48.52 | catsup | no, the 'net installer' doesn't fit in a floppy, but you only need to boot from the floppy |
| 15:49.02 | Deathspawn | right. |
| 15:49.02 | catsup | you only need one floppy |
| 15:49.19 | catsup | actually there's a bootloader you can put on a floppy that will boot from usb |
| 15:49.32 | acemi | if ubuntu 9.04 has grub 2, it is possible to boot from netinstall iso file too |
| 15:49.33 | catsup | but i forgot its name :\ |
| 15:49.44 | catsup | oh yeah, grub will do it |
| 15:49.56 | catsup | probably you should just use debootstrap to install |
| 15:50.28 | catsup | i think it's plop |
| 15:50.51 | catsup | !plop |
| 15:50.51 | dpkg | i guess plop is another one of Josh's stupid words. Sheesh. |
| 15:50.52 | Deathspawn | or find the floppy bootloader... cause i got an 8gb usb drive, and i can just stick a debian iso on there with unetbootin. |
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| 15:52.01 | catsup | hm, maybe it's not plop, i thought there was an entry in the 'dpkg' bot |
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| 15:53.25 | catsup | but i might be thinking of a bot in another channel |
| 15:53.34 | catsup | (anyway, looks like plop can do it) |
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| 15:54.03 | catsup | oh yeah, it's plop i was thinking of |
| 15:54.15 | catsup | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 15:55.08 | catsup | but imho, no reason to boot from floppy if you have a working linux install from which to boot |
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| 15:56.36 | poisonbit | catsup, I've a working i386(@4mb) laptop whose uniq reliable unit is a floppy slot, the 200MB disk has 20 years |
| 15:56.50 | poisonbit | anyway debian is not a option years ago for that machine :) |
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| 15:57.33 | WormFood | when I file a bug with reportbug, do I get an email confirmation? |
| 15:57.34 | catsup | one of those machines that's good for running ssh, only |
| 15:57.43 | poisonbit | minicom |
| 15:58.12 | catsup | nice :p |
| 15:58.22 | poisonbit | WormFood, if your email address is ok, you should get some confirmation (and latter responses) i think |
| 15:58.25 | Deathspawn | catsup: the only thing is, i plan on installing debian, which means wiping the hard drive... so how would that work if I used the present grub to boot? unless that grub can boot and use a usb drive |
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| 15:59.28 | catsup | Deathspawn: there are various ways to make it work, like don't wipe the filesystem just install over it (move or rm everything in the existing install), or create a separate partition to hold the ISO (which could be removed after) |
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| 15:59.33 | ekf | I used mkfs.ext3 to format external hdd, but fdisk -l lists the filesystem as HPFS/NTFS , what did I do wrong? |
| 15:59.40 | WormFood | that is what I thought so too poisonbit....but my outbound IP used for email has been listed in some realtime blackhole databases, so I think my bug report didn't go through :( now I'm working on trying to configure my mail server to use a different IP to send email on |
| 16:00.26 | poisonbit | WormFood, if you didn't got the email, you can review using a browser |
| 16:00.30 | catsup | Deathspawn: also grub 2.0 (or anything, really) could be used to boot from the usb drive |
| 16:00.35 | poisonbit | bugtracker, mailling list archives, etc |
| 16:00.39 | WormFood | key word there is "trying"....god damn! why is exim4 such a pain in the ass to configure? I can't even figure out where to add the line I need to add |
| 16:00.44 | catsup | hm, well s/anything/several bootloaders/ |
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| 16:00.52 | stew | WormFood: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 16:01.01 | catsup | WormFood: try postfix, it's much easier to configure |
| 16:01.07 | WormFood | no stew, I already did that...not there |
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| 16:01.30 | WormFood | stew, someone else suggested that...I didn't think it would work, but I tried anyways |
| 16:01.33 | stew | oh, outbound source ip, not smarthost |
| 16:01.37 | WormFood | right |
| 16:01.43 | WormFood | the option is "interface" |
| 16:01.53 | stew | you could use SNAT |
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| 16:02.00 | catsup | ha |
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| 16:02.13 | stew | or do it in your routing table if you use a smarthost |
| 16:02.21 | WormFood | personally, I'm a qmail guy...I've been running qmail since '98 or '99, and I love it (back then, we had a lot less choice) |
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| 16:02.49 | catsup | qmail is great |
| 16:02.52 | WormFood | yeah, but I want to do it in exim config the "right way"....but I'm rapidly approaching the point of changing my routing table....that is so much easier |
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| 16:02.57 | poisonbit | i loved more tinydns+dnscache than qmail |
| 16:03.02 | WormFood | catsup, it seems people either love or hate qmail |
| 16:03.48 | WormFood | I love qmail....small, fast, secure, reliable, uses Maildir....so much better than sendmail (I started back when sendmail and qmail were the main choices for email) |
| 16:04.31 | stew | its at least freee now. it still has the problem that you have to patch it to NOT spam |
| 16:05.01 | WormFood | ok....I guess I'm gonna change my routing table, since stew suggested it....I figured if he suggested that instead of configuring exim, then exim must be a pain to work with. |
| 16:05.15 | stew | i've never tried to use exim |
| 16:05.54 | WormFood | stew, there hasn't been an official qmail update in about 10 years...it won't even compile without patches on current systems....but there are several unofficial updates to it, that are approved by djb |
| 16:05.54 | stew | so I just don't know |
| 16:06.22 | stew | djb conciously designed it to send spam |
| 16:06.25 | WormFood | my qmail system is very custom...I even wrote my own anti-spam modifications for it. |
| 16:06.56 | WormFood | no he didn't design it to send spam...he just made a choice, that most of us don't think is sane |
| 16:07.13 | WormFood | I understand why he did what he did, but I don't think it was the best choice |
| 16:07.18 | JyZyXEL | will Debian 6.0 officially support ext4? |
| 16:07.18 | stew | he made choices knowing it would cause qmail to send backscatter spam |
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| 16:07.53 | acemi | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 16:07.55 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, squeeze supports ext4 (I'm using it on my laptop now) |
| 16:08.17 | JyZyXEL | can it be considered mature enough to be put into production on sqeeze? |
| 16:08.24 | WormFood | stew, yes, I agree, that was a poor choice....and mine has been patched to not do that :D |
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| 16:09.01 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, if you want to play it completely safe, then go with ext3...but I seriously doubt you'd have any problems with ext4 |
| 16:09.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: its mature enough to put into production in lenny, as long as you have a newer kernel, and lenny released with support for it in userland |
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| 16:09.45 | Peanut | Hi - I have a Debian Etch that for some reason has gotten the Lenny packages of tzdata, libc6 and others installed. How can I revert them back to the Etch version? |
| 16:09.52 | JyZyXEL | sounds it should be fairly safe to go ext4 when switching to sqeeze |
| 16:10.09 | Sm0ke0ut | Peanut, I think you better off with upgrading to Lenny (stable) |
| 16:10.11 | stew | Peanut: is there a reason you don't upgrade to lenny? support for etch was dropped a long time ago |
| 16:10.12 | Peanut | The machine has all packages (except puppet) pinned to Etch. |
| 16:10.19 | simonrvn | that isn't etch anoymore |
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| 16:10.23 | simonrvn | any* |
| 16:10.40 | Peanut | Sm0ke0ut: I would love to, but these machines have some special hardware for radio astronomy that still doesn't have newer kernel support than Etch. |
| 16:11.21 | ekf | GParted says my external hdd is ext3 but fdisk -l says it's HPFS/NTFS, which is right? |
| 16:11.29 | stew | Peanut: and you want older timezone data? |
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| 16:11.56 | Peanut | stew: well, I specifically want the older libc, because when we build stuff on the machine with the lenny version of libc6, the result doesn't run. |
| 16:12.40 | pipeline | ekf: fdisk will just report the code on the partition table |
| 16:12.44 | dkr | Peanut: change your sources.list to use http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 16:12.45 | pipeline | ekf: so the code could be wrong |
| 16:12.52 | stew | Peanut: how do you know that only these packages are lenny? |
| 16:12.55 | Peanut | dkr: it already does. |
| 16:12.56 | pipeline | ekf: I don't know what gparted will do.. might actually check the signature on the partition |
| 16:12.57 | stew | Peanut: have you used apt-show-versions? |
| 16:13.16 | WormFood | pipeline, what "code on the partition table" are you talking about? the file system type? |
| 16:13.30 | Peanut | stew: basically, I did 'dpkg -l |grep lenny" which shows up 12 errant packages on only one machine, all other machines are fine. |
| 16:13.30 | pipeline | WormFood: yes |
| 16:13.35 | WormFood | that is ignored by Linux |
| 16:13.36 | pipeline | WormFood: it's just an 8 bit code |
| 16:13.43 | pipeline | WormFood: it's not ignored by fdisk... |
| 16:14.02 | WormFood | you can read it and set it with fdisk, but it makes no difference to Linux...it is there for other OSes |
| 16:14.14 | Peanut | stew: No such thing as 'apt-show-versions'. but I could install it if needed? |
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| 16:14.57 | ekf | pipeline, should the code on partition table be corrected or is it not important? |
| 16:14.58 | stew | Peanut: just looking for lenny in the version string isn't conclusive, since that's only going to be in the version numbers of some of the updates to lenny. not in the bulk of packages in lenny |
| 16:15.13 | stew | Peanut: apt-show-versions should give you a better idea of what has been upgraded beyond etch |
| 16:15.22 | pipeline | ekf: it's not particularly important, but it's easy to fix |
| 16:15.33 | pipeline | ekf: fdisk the disk, hit 't' to change the code, set it to '83' (linux) |
| 16:15.39 | WormFood | ekf, it is not important for Linux...if Linux is the only OS on the system, then it is your choice...Linux does not care what it is set to |
| 16:15.57 | pipeline | WormFood: it's an external disk, so god knows what it could be plugged into |
| 16:16.05 | Peanut | stew: good point, thanks. Basically, we're tracking down a problem where only one machine is not able to build a particular binary, and we then discovered a different version from libc6, we're still trying to find the root cause for this mishap. |
| 16:16.10 | WormFood | NOW...having said that....that does not mean that other software, won't use the partition time for something |
| 16:16.18 | WormFood | partition type* |
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| 16:16.40 | WormFood | so...if you want to play it safe, then set it (probably not a bad idea, since it is portable, like you said) |
| 16:17.14 | stew | Peanut: my guess would be that you had "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" in your sources.list and started pulling security updates for lenny once lenny was released |
| 16:18.38 | Peanut | stew: Correct, I think - some machines had 'stable' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d and others 'etch' in the same file. I've now brought that file under puppet control and made it the same for all, but only one of our machines seems to have actually gotten lenny packages installed (afaik). |
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| 16:18.54 | cusco_ | hi |
| 16:19.30 | macrobat | cusco_: success, you are in #debian! |
| 16:19.38 | cusco_ | cool! |
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| 16:21.04 | smurfke | Hello, is there an ETA for Squeeze final? |
| 16:21.20 | dkr | !siyh |
| 16:21.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 16:21.28 | Peanut | stew: eeks, apt-show-versions shows that I have much more than 12 packages that are 'wrong'. |
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| 16:22.13 | smurfke | dkr: I did already submit a ticket |
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| 16:22.17 | smurfke | just wondering :) |
| 16:23.01 | dkr | !tell smurfke about release-critical |
| 16:23.07 | dkr | that might give a better idea. :) |
| 16:23.12 | cusco_ | error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 16:23.15 | cusco_ | how can I correct this? |
| 16:23.38 | pipeline | cusco_: you're probably installing a 32 bit dso on a 64 bit system |
| 16:23.46 | pipeline | cusco_: /exec -o uname -a |
| 16:23.47 | ekf | pipeline, fdisk then `t` says 'no partition is defined yet' should I first add a new partition? (weird because I thought it is already partitioned) |
| 16:24.01 | pipeline | ekf: fdisk the disk, not the partition -- e.g. fdisk /dev/sdb, not fdisk /dev/sdb3 |
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| 16:24.46 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 16:24.59 | ekf | pipeline, oh, that was it. thanx a lot! |
| 16:25.03 | cusco_ | pipeline: sorry? what is a dso? |
| 16:25.16 | cusco_ | pipeline: I run a amd64 kernel |
| 16:25.40 | cusco | !wtf dso |
| 16:25.41 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what dso means... |
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| 16:26.15 | gypsymauro | I've installed a newserver, now I want to make an image of disks for disaster recovery from the bare metal, suppose I want to burn a DVD (the whole installation uses 7Gb) I'm searching something to compress it and burn it |
| 16:26.23 | erchache2000 | when squeeze is unfrozen? |
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| 16:27.10 | maher_ | erchache2000: never - it will be released as the new stable soon |
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| 16:27.16 | babilen | erchache2000: in a way, never. but the "deep frozen" state will become "released" upon release |
| 16:27.19 | erchache2000 | and this when is it? |
| 16:27.22 | erchache2000 | babilen: |
| 16:27.27 | maher_ | erchache2000: when its ready |
| 16:27.36 | erchache2000 | no date allowed? |
| 16:28.08 | Peanut | "WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! apt libc6 (due to apt) libgcc1 (due to apt) libstdc++6 (due to apt) debian-archive-keyring (...)" |
| 16:28.09 | diago | Dec, 21 2012 |
| 16:28.35 | Peanut | Ok, downgrading a single package is possibly not the right way to go ;-) |
| 16:28.41 | cusco | pipeline: ? |
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| 16:29.20 | CodeNinja | I've got a package I'm about to intall that requires and wants to install mysql, but I have the mysql server at another location. how can I make this package not care if mysql-server is installed? |
| 16:29.32 | babilen | Peanut: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:29.48 | babilen | Peanut: Ah, let me read the backlog |
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| 16:30.00 | erchache2000 | diago: are you a showman? :-P |
| 16:30.03 | maher_ | CodeNinja: --force-<things> or equivs |
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| 16:30.33 | CodeNinja | maher_: O.o |
| 16:30.36 | CodeNinja | so.. |
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| 16:30.46 | CodeNinja | wait.. --froce-<things?> |
| 16:30.49 | CodeNinja | whats <things> |
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| 16:31.58 | maher_ | CodeNinja: man dpkg - --force-depends ignores all dependency errors |
| 16:31.59 | pipeline | cusco: the real question is not the kernel I guess, but the userland |
| 16:32.12 | babilen | Peanut: Just to make sure I understand that correctly: You use special hardware for astronomy and support for this hardware has been dropped from the kernel, so you have to stick with the etch kernel (i.e. 2.6.18)? |
| 16:32.12 | pipeline | cusco: just run "arch" -- is the output i386/686, or is it something 64 ? |
| 16:32.23 | maher_ | CodeNinja: equivs makes it easy to generate fake packages to satisfy dependencies |
| 16:32.47 | Peanut | It's not so much 'dropped from the kernel', but the provider of that (proprietary) hardware hasn't yet released newer kernel drivers. |
| 16:33.02 | ekf | so the 2TB hdd is freshly formatted ext3 but 1% is already used, how is that? |
| 16:33.05 | cusco | pipeline: im aware that I run a 64 bit environment |
| 16:33.07 | CodeNinja | maher_: gotcha, I think force-depends would be easier and faster, its only the mysql-server I need to not specify... it'd be easier if packages would not always assume that mysql is on the localhost and ask |
| 16:33.16 | cusco | for some reason nvidia installed 32 bit libs |
| 16:33.18 | pipeline | cusco: you installed a 32 bit lib on your 64 bit environment |
| 16:33.50 | babilen | Peanut: Wonderful, the beauty of proprietary software. Do you have backups? Can you clone one of the other machines? |
| 16:34.10 | pipeline | Peanut: btw etch and lenny userspaces are not compatible, you can't run lenny binaries on an etch kernel. Found that out the hard way with VPSes :) |
| 16:34.29 | maher_ | ekf: ext3 uses it for its own dark purposes |
| 16:34.34 | CodeNinja | haha |
| 16:34.44 | CodeNinja | its 'plotting' space for its plans of doom and destruction |
| 16:34.46 | pipeline | Peanut: if you want an old 2.6.18 kernel, you're gonna have to install old software -- centos 5 will still have patches for a few years yet... |
| 16:34.47 | Peanut | babilen: Worst case, I can re-do the net-install through PXE but I was hoping that, given how easy it is to accidently end up with too-new binaries when the 'stable' gets reassigned, that it would be easy to roll-back such a situation. |
| 16:35.01 | pipeline | it's not easy at all to roll-back |
| 16:35.06 | pipeline | downgrade isn't guaranteed to work |
| 16:35.09 | babilen | yeah |
| 16:35.10 | pipeline | only upgrade |
| 16:35.25 | Peanut | pipeline: We're perfectly happy with running Etch on these machines, the 2.6.18 kernel works fine for us. |
| 16:35.44 | pipeline | Peanut: yeah but etch support will end fairly soon :( |
| 16:35.59 | macrobat | hasn't it ended already? |
| 16:36.06 | Peanut | pipeline: We're aware of that and putting as much pressure on our vendor as we can. Yes, it -has- already ended. |
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| 16:36.53 | ekf | maher_, a fixed percentage? I tried tune2fs -m .25 but it didn't reduce the "Used Space" |
| 16:36.56 | babilen | Peanut: Yes, but downgrades are *not* supported and do not necessarily work. If it is no (real) problem to brick the machine, you could try to "dpkg -i" the old etch versions manually. You'll find the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ . |
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| 16:37.36 | Peanut | babilen: that will get me in a lot of dependency problems, but yes, I'll try. I've identified 69 'errant' packages. |
| 16:37.39 | ekf | I am puzzled, the hdd was 1.9T out of the box, now with ext3 it is 1.8T (all numbers reported by df -h) |
| 16:37.56 | Peanut | How about something along the lines of: apt-get install tzdata=2008e-1etch3 apt=0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1 libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1 (...) |
| 16:38.02 | babilen | Peanut: 69? uh-oh ... |
| 16:38.07 | peterS | ekf: no this isn't about -m, it's about ext3's journal and inode tables and stuff like that |
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| 16:38.28 | peterS | ekf: -m will not change how 'df' sees the usage. it just prevents the usage from going over 99% or whatever |
| 16:38.49 | peterS | also, hi maher_, long time |
| 16:38.56 | babilen | Peanut: Another approach would be to pin etch to a priority *higher* than 1000 (e.g. 1001) and run a dist-upgrade ... that *might* work. |
| 16:39.15 | Peanut | babilen: oh, that's easy to try, good point indeed. |
| 16:39.17 | maher_ | peterS: :) |
| 16:39.35 | peterS | and when I say long time I'm thinking on the order of 4 years |
| 16:39.37 | maher_ | peterS: wanna help me debug my X keybindings? |
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| 16:39.56 | peterS | maher_: I had to debug my own X keybindings not long ago, so who knows, maybe I know something useful |
| 16:40.04 | maher_ | maher_: nothing went wrong for the past four years :) |
| 16:40.10 | peterS | ha |
| 16:40.28 | babilen | Peanut: We used that once to downgrade some unstable packages to testing and it worked. It might just do the trick for you. |
| 16:40.34 | Peanut | babilen: brilliant: it will downgrade 64 packages. (the other 3 I can account for, they're from our homebrew repository). |
| 16:40.37 | maher_ | i use xmodmap to set certain keyboard keys to Pointer_Button1 etc |
| 16:40.46 | babilen | Peanut: Wonderful |
| 16:41.03 | maher_ | they work at first, but then oafter some time they stop working - they still show up in xev, but nothing else |
| 16:41.39 | babilen | Peanut: I really hope that it'll work afterwards. Are these machine somehow connected to the internet or another "hostile" environment? |
| 16:41.42 | Peanut | I'm running everything from a local apt-cacher-ng, so it's done already - reboot time. |
| 16:42.06 | peterS | maher_: what version of 'xserver-xorg'? also, are you using the modern config, with xserver-xorg-input-evdev and no input stuff in xorg.conf? that's what the cool kids are doing |
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| 16:43.17 | peterS | maher_: I'll just say that after a recent upgrade of xserver-xorg and related stuff, to the bleeding edge, my own xmodmap stuff started behaving very strangely. I finally got to the bottom of it by commenting out all the input-related conf from my xorg.conf and letting it all autodetect. then my problems went away. |
| 16:44.29 | maher_ | peterS: ok - i'll try removing input stuff from xorg.conf (xserver-xorg 1:7.5+8 xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-6 should be current squeeze) |
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| 16:45.18 | peterS | maher_: well, I also moved from xmodmap to xkbcomp, which was a bit painful, but that didn't help until I commented out the input stuff. I'm _guessing_ I could go back to xmodmap now, but I haven't tried it. |
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| 16:47.32 | babilen | Peanut: did that work out? |
| 16:47.57 | Peanut | babilen: like a charm, thank you - just clearing out the last bits of cruft and testing if everything works again. |
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| 16:48.21 | babilen | Peanut: Marvellous :) |
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| 16:49.50 | maher_ | peterS: is xkbcomp newer / better than xmodmap? can it bind keys to mouse buttons? now that i restarted X everythings working again... |
| 16:49.50 | Peanut | Well, that was fun - glad I didn't have to rebuild the machine. |
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| 16:50.30 | peterS | maher_: xkbcomp uses the XKB extension, which is hugely detailed and is more modern technology than what xmodmap uses. But it's harder to use. |
| 16:50.57 | peterS | maher_: basically what you do is: xkbcomp $DISPLAY foo; vi foo; xkbcomp foo $DISPLAY |
| 16:51.01 | peterS | the latter in your .xsession of course |
| 16:51.12 | peterS | but you can't just make _incremental_ changes to maps, like xmodmap can do |
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| 16:52.12 | peterS | maher_: the reason I switched to it is, I figured perhaps xmodmap itself had broken with the newer xorg. xkbcomp was on someone else's recommendation. Hours later I discovered the real problem, but by then I had xkbcomp set up and didn't really want to go back |
| 16:52.43 | peterS | or I should say, I didn't have the energy to go back to xmodmap and try it to see if it still worked, now that I finally had something that did work |
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| 16:53.14 | maher_ | peterS: yeah - it took me a long time to work out how to bind keys to mouse buttons - i don't really want to have to learn how to do it all again... |
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| 16:53.47 | peterS | maher_: glad to hear commenting out the input stuff seems to have fixed it for you as well. the hours I wasted discovering that are slightly less wasted now (: |
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| 16:54.32 | maher_ | peterS: it always works at first, but the next day it has usually stopped working |
| 16:54.50 | peterS | oh, hmmm. so you really don't know yet whether this helped |
| 16:55.30 | maher_ | peterS: i'll know tomorrow :) |
| 16:55.31 | peterS | in my case I could tell right away. xev at some point was actually generating _two_ keypress events for each key I'd rebound. very confusing. |
| 16:55.44 | peterS | or I should say xev was showing two events |
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| 16:55.54 | peterS | (one for the correct keybinding, one for something random) |
| 16:56.23 | peterS | (well, not random, it was always the same wrong key for any given key I'd rebound, but I saw no pattern in the wrong keys) |
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| 16:57.01 | l513 | hello. where would I look for a file that configures which file is opened by what application in Thunar? |
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| 16:57.20 | maher_ | peterS: oooo - ok its different when it works - xev says "button 1" instead of "Pointer_Button1" |
| 16:57.33 | peterS | maher_: hope for the best, then (: |
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| 16:58.01 | maher_ | peterS: thanks for your help! |
| 16:58.38 | peterS | no problem. like I said, I'm just glad my recently acquired experience was used again |
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| 17:03.03 | major | what is the difference to run ssh -X and ssh -f -Y? |
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| 17:03.48 | pipeline | major: -Y is trust. Don't use it. |
| 17:04.24 | major | oh, i think i get it now |
| 17:04.28 | major | thanks pipeline |
| 17:04.33 | major | :D |
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| 17:05.31 | macrobat | i forgot, is there a way to list pkgs that wasn't installed from repos? |
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| 17:06.01 | babilen | macrobat: considered obsolete |
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| 17:08.08 | macrobat | what's a neat way to clone a / partition? |
| 17:08.31 | peterS | macrobat: mount a fresh filesystem on /mnt, then cp -lax / /mnt ? |
| 17:08.37 | peterS | errr, without -l |
| 17:08.40 | peterS | cp -ax / /mnt |
| 17:08.59 | dkr | yeah, you can use dd to get the actual partition, but cp -a is much simpler and less error prone |
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| 17:09.24 | peterS | dkr: argh, I hate when people imply that when you're dealing in block devices you need dd. cat and cp work fine with block devices. |
| 17:09.41 | peterS | dkr: as in, cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5, or cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/hda5 |
| 17:10.01 | macrobat | as long as it's mounted.. |
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| 17:10.35 | stew | and cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 is both easier to remember and faster (because of a more optimum block size) than dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda5 |
| 17:10.36 | macrobat | maybe better while i'm not running anything from / ? |
| 17:10.57 | stew | macrobat: it would be best to try to clone with the filesystem is not mounted |
| 17:11.07 | macrobat | oh |
| 17:11.18 | stew | macrobat: what was "as long as it's mounted" meant to be a response to? |
| 17:11.45 | macrobat | nice, i assumed cp was for mounted file systems |
| 17:11.48 | Squeeb | You can always cp -dpRv / /mnt/some-mounted-drive |
| 17:11.50 | Squeeb | if it's mounted :) |
| 17:12.18 | Squeeb | I use that as part of my live raid mirroring setups |
| 17:12.20 | macrobat | wont symlinks and such be a problem? |
| 17:12.26 | Squeeb | see -d |
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| 17:12.52 | thewanderer1 | Squeeb: your command will actually copy the directory to itself, too |
| 17:12.53 | peterS | Squeeb: argh, I already said cp -ax, which is easier and more correct. (you need the -x.) |
| 17:13.03 | thewanderer1 | and if you have a backup there already... oops |
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| 17:13.50 | macrobat | ok, -x is for not copying /home aswell? |
| 17:14.06 | thewanderer1 | yes, for this for example |
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| 17:14.24 | peterS | macrobat: yeah and, notably, /proc |
| 17:14.32 | peterS | you don't really want to make a copy of the contents of /proc |
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| 17:14.47 | macrobat | or /dev or /sys |
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| 17:15.13 | peterS | right, if you're using udev, I guess /dev is its own fs |
| 17:15.31 | peterS | but /proc is the one you really don't want, because /proc/kcore is (virtually) rather huge |
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| 17:16.15 | macrobat | aha, when filesystems are not mounted i don't need -R and the virtual fs:es don't exist |
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| 17:16.57 | balzac5000 | Anyone know what lenny package includes lomount for xen? |
| 17:17.26 | macrobat | i had this vague convoluted plan about hard disk migration. nice that it is easy |
| 17:17.53 | babilen | balzac5000: What is lomount? If it is an executable â apt-file search -x "bin/lomount$" |
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| 17:18.27 | peterS | the convoluted stuff happens when you're trying to move from a single HD to two or more larger HDs in a RAID configuration. if you can't plug them all in at once, you can still accomplish this (because RAID involves redundancy and you can have a missing volume), but it gets tricky |
| 17:18.28 | balzac5000 | babilen: I appreciate the reponse! lomount is a xen utility that's been bundled with xen for ages |
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| 17:19.02 | peterS | babilen: ...well if you have apt-file installed and you've updated its metadata. if not, easier to just surf to packages.debian.org and run it there |
| 17:19.03 | stew | lvm can make this very much not convoluted as well :) |
| 17:19.41 | babilen | peterS: yes |
| 17:19.44 | peterS | stew: RAID volumes _inside_ lvm? not my idea of fun. no, I want the RAID on the bottom of the stack, and that means fun with migration even with LVM |
| 17:20.03 | stew | peterS: oh, i meant that independant of raid |
| 17:20.15 | peterS | ahh |
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| 17:21.13 | stew | i just mean that between pvmove and snapshots, you can have some "magic" performed for you for moving filesystems around |
| 17:21.22 | babilen | balzac5000: I can't find it. |
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| 17:22.44 | balzac5000 | babilen: Lots of bug listing with other folks looking for it - it was evidently part of the xen-utils package in previous versions. Hmmm. I appreciate the help and will bark up another tree. |
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| 17:25.12 | macrobat | idk, with lvm i had problems. i wasnt allowed to resize a vg or reclaim space from a erased lv |
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| 17:25.23 | fantasticulous | hi guys i'm getting this error |
| 17:25.48 | fantasticulous | Version mismatch detected between the NVIDIA libGL.so and libGLcore.so shared libraries (libGL.so version: 195.36.15; libGLcore.so version: 195.36.31). Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. |
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| 17:26.18 | thewanderer1 | fantasticulous: exactly what it says. you shouldn't have messed with the binary blob from nvidia.com ... |
| 17:26.30 | fantasticulous | i didn't |
| 17:26.34 | fantasticulous | i just upgraded packages |
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| 17:26.57 | fantasticulous | i used the installer a while ago, but then used the debian method |
| 17:27.08 | fantasticulous | so it worked fine for dozens of upgrades until recently |
| 17:27.17 | fantasticulous | is there a dpkg-reconfigure command i can use? |
| 17:27.19 | fantasticulous | or something like that |
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| 17:27.30 | thewanderer1 | did you uninstall the driver before doing it the debian way? |
| 17:27.37 | fantasticulous | i should think so |
| 17:27.44 | fantasticulous | i dont remember but i probably did |
| 17:28.34 | fantasticulous | i just followed some web tutorial at that time |
| 17:28.44 | del_diablo | Hmmmm, is it possible to use dpkg like apt-get and synaptics to install packages from a repos? Or is there a way to send down flags from dpkg to apt*? |
| 17:28.57 | cga | hi all, anyone using backupninja here? |
| 17:29.31 | thewanderer1 | del_diablo: no. |
| 17:29.50 | del_diablo | Ok, thanks for the confirmation. |
| 17:30.46 | del_diablo | Is there a way to get apt to ignore a packages errors or deps, and just install it? I have some issues running apt with pinning, and some minor trouble related to a -dev package that lacks a experimental version |
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| 17:32.00 | thewanderer1 | apt exists just for the purpose of managing dependencies for you you know... |
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| 17:33.15 | benji1 | do you think it is a good idea to chmod -x apt-get to force the use of aptitude? |
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| 17:33.57 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 17:34.00 | del_diablo | Yeah, that is true. So.... the solution is to download the actual package manually, and then install via dpkg? If I understood the flag list correctly, there is more or less a option for ignoring problems. |
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| 17:34.12 | thewanderer1 | a motd is a better way to go about it, benji1, and never force users... |
| 17:34.17 | Drake_ | There is a xfce version of debian right? |
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| 17:34.27 | Drake_ | I am lloking for one for a real old laptop |
| 17:34.45 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: no. there are no "versions" of Debian like Xebian, Lebian, Kebian, lol... |
| 17:34.56 | thewanderer1 | but Debian can be installed with XFCE as default |
| 17:35.04 | Drake_ | haha |
| 17:35.08 | Drake_ | is it fast? |
| 17:35.09 | benji1 | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 17:35.17 | thewanderer1 | on the other hand, I recommend LXDE instead, it's a lot lighter than XFCE |
| 17:35.42 | collabra | how do i perform a tuning of the kernel or services. example: my hardrive, when at 100% will consume my cpu to where I'm waiting 10 to 25 seconds to once again control my mouse.... I am a noob... and i need help to keep control of my system even during periods of pegged or close to pegged harddrive activity. |
| 17:35.48 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: is it a secure OS? |
| 17:35.50 | thewanderer1 | was getting reasonable speed on 933MHz Pentium III and 256MB RAM with LXDE |
| 17:35.55 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: as secure as you make it :P |
| 17:36.14 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: puupylinux was another option but apparantly its not too secure..is this true |
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| 17:36.41 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: I have absolutely no idea, I only tried it once and I couldn't stand its UI for more than a few minutes :P |
| 17:36.51 | Drake_ | haha |
| 17:36.53 | cga | Drake_: i've tried the small distros, all of them. nothing matches a custom debian base install + lxde and few needed packages. |
| 17:37.06 | cga | really. |
| 17:37.25 | Drake_ | cga: but what if you have a old pc |
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| 17:37.35 | cga | Drake_: last time i did it was last year. last year cusotmer's netwrok admin still uses it and thanks me |
| 17:37.36 | Drake_ | then you need to use something like that right? |
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| 17:37.44 | collabra | any help would be appreciated,... I'm using squeeze. |
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| 17:38.08 | thewanderer1 | collabra: just use `nice` and `ionice` and you'll be fine. |
| 17:38.16 | cga | Drake_: sorry, i was too implicit: non of those "small footprint" distro matches debian + lxed and only few packages . the one you really need. |
| 17:38.54 | Drake_ | cga: but what about speed |
| 17:39.04 | Drake_ | cga: is debian fast on old pc's |
| 17:39.20 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: it's as fast as every other distro |
| 17:39.27 | collabra | thewanderer1: what service should i lower priority on, specifically? |
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| 17:39.44 | thewanderer1 | collabra: everything you think causes major load |
| 17:39.49 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: because I am running XP now and its slow and annoying |
| 17:39.57 | Drake_ | and xp is not that new |
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| 17:39.59 | macrobat | what format is the dpkgbot factoid database dump? is there an easy way to read it? |
| 17:40.09 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: well, what are the specs? |
| 17:40.12 | cga | Drake_: and XP is NOT linux..... |
| 17:40.19 | Drake_ | I know cga |
| 17:40.31 | Drake_ | But im saying I am using an older OS and even then its sow |
| 17:40.34 | Drake_ | slow |
| 17:40.58 | Drake_ | PII 400 |
| 17:41.11 | cga | Drake_: here's the deal: make a ghost of your xp. back it up. then try debian and /or the puppy or anything likely. you'll tell. if you are not happy restore XP from ghost. |
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| 17:41.21 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: and what amount of RAM? |
| 17:41.50 | collabra | thewanderer1: ok,... um, would it significantly benefit me to learn to compile a kernel,... or, is this a matter of daemons and services? |
| 17:41.53 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: 300 ram |
| 17:42.09 | Drake_ | Cant it be installed side by side? |
| 17:42.13 | Drake_ | like ubuntu? |
| 17:42.17 | thewanderer1 | collabra: the kernel rarely makes a difference, unless you know how to tweak it to very specific workloads |
| 17:42.23 | Drake_ | it used windows partition and ubuntu |
| 17:42.28 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: of course it can, but you have to resize partitions... |
| 17:42.41 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: and installing on a Windows partition is the worst idea ever :P |
| 17:42.42 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: yes, is it easy?? |
| 17:42.48 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: no :P |
| 17:42.59 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: why is it the worst idea |
| 17:43.40 | thewanderer1 | Windows partitions have filesystems, so you have to go through the filesystem layer of Windows - a very hostile environment to GNU/Linux |
| 17:44.31 | thewanderer1 | collabra: the best thing you can do on a desktop machine is to increase the priority of X.org and all children programs |
| 17:44.32 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: in ubuntu it asks how much of the HD it wants to use for windows and ubuntu |
| 17:44.50 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: I don't know, this is not Ubuntu |
| 17:45.03 | qq- | Drake_, try to install Windows on ext3 partitions and see .. |
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| 17:46.01 | Drake_ | Well windows is already on it |
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| 17:47.13 | thewanderer1 | so resize its partition - there are tutorials for it on the Web |
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| 17:47.38 | peterS | tutorials on the web? just let the debian installer do it, pretty sure it still has that feature |
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| 17:47.53 | Drake_ | peterS: ya thats what I was asking |
| 17:47.54 | thewanderer1 | well, resizing NTFS without data loss? :) |
| 17:48.00 | Drake_ | because ubuntu has that |
| 17:48.07 | thewanderer1 | I never quite noticed that in d-i, to be honest |
| 17:48.11 | peterS | sure, resizing NTFS without data loss is something we could do 5 years ago |
| 17:48.27 | thewanderer1 | so I guess we can now resize NTFS with data GAIN :) |
| 17:48.32 | peterS | I thought it had been added to d-i. I haven't actually had to install a new machine for kind of a long time |
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| 17:49.26 | stew | i know there at least are parted udebs |
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| 17:49.42 | Drake_ | hmmm |
| 17:49.59 | Drake_ | Is it also possible to have a very basic(ugly) theme? |
| 17:50.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've a strange issue with grub, my 40_custom entry does not appear even though it was added to grub.cfg by update-grub |
| 17:50.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | *grub2 |
| 17:50.09 | Drake_ | for old video cards |
| 17:50.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm using debian squeeze |
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| 17:50.46 | del_diablo | Drake_: Why would you do that? Just not using compiz should suffice in most cases |
| 17:51.11 | Drake_ | del_diablo: I notice that using basic themes are a lot smoother and faster |
| 17:51.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | any ideas what I've done wrong? |
| 17:51.28 | thewanderer1 | KaffeeJunky123: any other OS there? |
| 17:51.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: yes, windows xp |
| 17:52.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: I can manually boot it through the grub command promt |
| 17:52.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | *prompt |
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| 17:52.12 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: I could run LXDE on 16MB VRAM... |
| 17:52.21 | del_diablo | Drake_: Ah, that issue. Find a good skin using the same theme engine as whatever ugly skin you preffere, that should do the trick. |
| 17:52.21 | cahoot | KaffeeJunky123: so the entry is actually in the (correct) grub.cfg? |
| 17:52.23 | stew | del_diablo: compiz on a 400mhz pentium II ?? |
| 17:52.32 | thewanderer1 | KaffeeJunky123: and are you sure that your entry is in grub.cfg? |
| 17:52.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | cahoot: it is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:52.42 | stew | oh, NOT using compiz |
| 17:52.44 | del_diablo | stew: I said "not use" not "use" :P |
| 17:52.49 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: how was it? good speed? |
| 17:52.49 | del_diablo | Hehe |
| 17:52.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: yes I'm sure |
| 17:52.59 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: "usable" :P |
| 17:53.30 | Drake_ | thewanderer1: did you have to build software |
| 17:53.35 | Drake_ | or does it come readymade |
| 17:53.41 | Drake_ | thinhgs like firefox |
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| 17:53.54 | Drake_ | I mean the programs readymade |
| 17:54.07 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: no, I don't use Firefox - I installed Iceweasel (free version of Firefox) and Chromium (free version of Chrome) |
| 17:54.34 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: however, forget about even scrolling through senorgif.com and the like with slow GPU :P |
| 17:54.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | this is how the entry looks in grub.cfg |
| 17:54.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/1342013 |
| 17:54.46 | peterS | thewanderer1: he's mainly asking whether lxde came with debian or if you had to build it yourself. it does come with, doesn't it? |
| 17:55.13 | peterS | KaffeeJunky123: chainloarder? drop the first 'r' |
| 17:55.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | <_< |
| 17:55.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh my |
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| 17:55.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | peterS: thanks, I would've never found that one |
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| 17:56.07 | peterS | KaffeeJunky123: no problem |
| 17:56.25 | karlpinc | peterS: Debian has a lxde package.... (I'm not following the thread.) |
| 17:56.25 | thewanderer1 | peterS, Drake_ everything, including LXDE, browsers, office suites, was included in Debian |
| 17:56.41 | Drake_ | in the debain you were talking about? |
| 17:56.56 | peterS | karlpinc: indeed. I just haven't used it so I didn't know if it was sufficient for what thewanderer1 did. but yeah |
| 17:57.04 | Drake_ | right LXDE |
| 17:57.13 | Drake_ | what is LXDE |
| 17:57.20 | peterS | what's a google |
| 17:57.20 | qq- | !LXDE |
| 17:57.20 | dpkg | lxde is, like, Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:57.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | a window manager |
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| 17:57.26 | panierter_panda | a desktop environment |
| 17:57.29 | del_diablo | Drake_: How about Opera? If you are running a modern debian installation, it is the lightest browser :P |
| 17:57.59 | panierter_panda | del_diablo: has someone mentioned midori before? |
| 17:58.06 | karlpinc | del_diablo: Something like links would be the lightest browser. |
| 17:58.17 | del_diablo | panierter_panda: Yupp, and it lacked features and speed :( |
| 17:58.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | last time I tried midori lacked some very essential features |
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| 17:58.20 | peterS | del_diablo: don't use terms like "lightest browser" without qualifying that you don't count the real lightweight browsers, like lynx, elinks, and so on |
| 17:58.24 | thewanderer1 | del_diablo: you're suggesting non-free software. BURN! |
| 17:58.24 | Drake_ | del_diablo: all I am really fuguring out, is what to install on this old thing |
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| 17:58.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | such as encrypting the passwords it's storing |
| 17:58.46 | del_diablo | thewanderer1: I can live with my heretical world <3 |
| 17:59.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | del_diablo: opera is of the devil |
| 17:59.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | I use it on my mobile device though |
| 17:59.18 | del_diablo | Hehe |
| 17:59.19 | del_diablo | burn! |
| 17:59.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | since there's no proper replacement for operamini |
| 17:59.58 | Drake_ | so does lightweight mean faster? |
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| 18:00.10 | Drake_ | whats the benefit of lightweight |
| 18:00.19 | del_diablo | Lightweight means that it does not choke the system as much |
| 18:00.24 | peterS | yes, it means faster, particularly if you have limited RAM |
| 18:00.33 | peterS | if you have gobs and gobs of RAM, it's less important |
| 18:00.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
| 18:00.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | FF is slow despite tons of ram :/ |
| 18:00.54 | peterS | though I have to say I'm none too thrilled with firefox / iceweasel performance even with gobs and gobs of RAM |
| 18:00.57 | Drake_ | so why doesn't everyone just use t distros?? |
| 18:01.12 | stew | Drake_: what is a t distro? |
| 18:01.17 | Drake_ | lightweight distros |
| 18:01.21 | Drake_ | srry |
| 18:01.25 | tyebud | Stupid question, but: Do I need to uninstall a package version of a library before I compile a newer version from source? |
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| 18:01.37 | del_diablo | Mainly because lightweight != speed |
| 18:01.42 | peterS | Drake_: same reason they enable Aero on windows 7. there are things people want that are not lightweight. you can't really have it all. |
| 18:02.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: nope |
| 18:02.03 | stew | Drake_: lightweight comes at the expense of loss of features |
| 18:02.09 | stew | (often) |
| 18:02.10 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: Thanks! |
| 18:02.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: compiling a library doesn't install it though |
| 18:02.48 | sthg | feature not necessarily useful |
| 18:02.49 | Drake_ | stew: if you can watch vidoes, browse internet and listen to music and some basic liight office wording...what more do you want? |
| 18:03.05 | Drake_ | its secure right? |
| 18:03.10 | Drake_ | thats not the expense is it? |
| 18:03.15 | stew | Drake_: what's secure? |
| 18:03.16 | del_diablo | No, its not. |
| 18:03.33 | del_diablo | Drake_: Consider that you are dropping XP, a legend of 2001 virus holes :P |
| 18:03.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: however, if you want to make install you should consider removing the older one to avoid conflicts |
| 18:03.54 | Drake_ | del_diablo: well I would like to use it side by side with something |
| 18:04.02 | Drake_ | XP has soo many problems its not funny |
| 18:04.09 | Drake_ | AVG just crashed |
| 18:04.17 | Drake_ | and would not boot |
| 18:04.25 | Drake_ | I had to go into safe mode and delete it |
| 18:04.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: the problem is probably in front of the screen |
| 18:04.34 | Drake_ | But I dont want to go off topic,lol |
| 18:05.00 | Drake_ | KaffeeJunky123: what do you mean front of the screen |
| 18:05.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: it's probably sitting on your chair right now |
| 18:05.52 | Drake_ | what is :) |
| 18:06.05 | abrotman | not funny ... |
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| 18:06.16 | abrotman | He's not getting the joke |
| 18:06.21 | Drake_ | KaffeeJunky123: I dont understand |
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| 18:06.37 | Drake_ | whats the joke :D |
| 18:06.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: :/ |
| 18:06.47 | abrotman | !pebcak |
| 18:06.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 18:07.02 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: So the library in question is libevent. Wouldn't that make apt want to uninstall everything it depends on? |
| 18:07.11 | rioch_ | a driver couldn't be installed during the installation for my network card. How can I install it now? I know it exists because it used to be in the kernel, but was removed because it's non-free. |
| 18:07.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: probably |
| 18:07.32 | Peanut | Which particular networking card, rioch_ ? |
| 18:07.35 | rioch_ | the driver is: rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 18:07.45 | Drake_ | I would like to try debian |
| 18:07.46 | rioch_ | Peanut: it's on the m/board |
| 18:07.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: I'm always packeging selfcompiled libs |
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| 18:08.14 | Drake_ | how much ram do you need |
| 18:08.17 | Drake_ | do for debain |
| 18:08.24 | Drake_ | it says 4mb,lol |
| 18:08.25 | Peanut | rioch_: probably Debian doesn't want to distribute the firmware, perhaps download it from the site of the card vendor? |
| 18:08.26 | stew | Drake_: 64mb |
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| 18:08.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: if you set the library name right and the dependencies dpkg will take care of everything for you |
| 18:08.50 | rioch_ | Peanut: you know how I can find out what the make is in linux? |
| 18:08.51 | stew | Drake_: no, where did you see 4mb? that's not been possible for a long time |
| 18:08.59 | Drake_ | 2.1 |
| 18:09.01 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: Ooh I get what you're saying. So I should package then install the deb |
| 18:09.10 | Drake_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/2.1/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html |
| 18:09.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: yes |
| 18:09.28 | thewanderer1 | Drake_: you know that the current release is Debian 5.0.7 don't you... |
| 18:09.38 | stew | Drake_: note that support for 2.1 was dripped 9 years ago |
| 18:09.43 | stew | dropped* |
| 18:09.48 | stew | Drake_: 5.0 is the current version |
| 18:09.50 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: Do you have any recommendations on docs to read? I've never done that before. |
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| 18:10.02 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 18:10.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: the debian mantainer guide |
| 18:10.06 | Drake_ | stew: do you suggest I use an older version of debian |
| 18:10.13 | Drake_ | since this pc is old stew |
| 18:10.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: wait a second i'll give you a link |
| 18:10.19 | stew | Drake_: no |
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| 18:10.29 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: I appreciate it |
| 18:10.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 18:10.39 | Drake_ | stew so 5.0 is ok for an old pc also? |
| 18:10.43 | sthg | how old is it? |
| 18:10.48 | stew | Drake_: yes |
| 18:11.08 | Drake_ | its a old laptop |
| 18:11.09 | Drake_ | IBM |
| 18:11.17 | Drake_ | solid pc though |
| 18:11.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: you could also try checkinstall |
| 18:11.32 | Peanut | rioch_: lspci should help. |
| 18:11.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: but I don't know how it behaves with older packets present |
| 18:11.43 | Peanut | rioch_: see also: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309 |
| 18:12.05 | rioch_ | Peanut: thanks |
| 18:12.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | tyebud: and it does not resolve your packets dependecies, so you cannot redistribute a .deb created with checkinstall |
| 18:12.12 | sthg | my laptop's 5-year old and it runs fine |
| 18:12.22 | Drake_ | mine is a lot older |
| 18:12.27 | Drake_ | closer to 10 years |
| 18:12.35 | tyebud | KaffeeJunky123: haha... All this for tmux.. sigh. |
| 18:12.36 | Drake_ | actually more |
| 18:12.38 | Drake_ | 1998 |
| 18:12.51 | sthg | :D |
| 18:13.37 | Drake_ | But I will put the new one |
| 18:13.44 | Drake_ | if its compatible |
| 18:14.01 | Drake_ | is Debian in general a bit lighter than ubuntu? |
| 18:14.12 | Drake_ | ubuntu is not as fast as people say |
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| 18:14.35 | Drake_ | but I has disabled the theme and it was a bit better |
| 18:14.53 | sthg | speed is relative |
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| 18:15.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: gnome and composite are the performance bottle neck on ubuntu |
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| 18:15.36 | Drake_ | KaffeeJunky123: does that mean the cause of the loss of performace |
| 18:15.44 | Drake_ | bottle neck? |
| 18:15.47 | stew | Drake_: the relative speed of one distro to another will not noticably differ if they are similarly configured |
| 18:16.00 | Drake_ | default wise stew |
| 18:16.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: it's the part of the os that slows down things |
| 18:16.08 | peterS | except gentoo which is sometimes slower just because God likes to make us laugh |
| 18:16.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: because gnome eats up too much ram |
| 18:16.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | atleast recent versions |
| 18:16.39 | Drake_ | kafee yes... but it makes it easier righ |
| 18:16.39 | abrotman | it does? seems fine to me |
| 18:16.50 | Drake_ | isn't it more complcated without gnome |
| 18:17.15 | stew | Drake_: "default" is a hard thing to nail down. |
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| 18:17.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | Drake_: nah |
| 18:17.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | all you need is multiple shell support |
| 18:17.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | and a shell browser ;D |
| 18:17.54 | Drake_ | stew, after a default installation, there is no way to determain which one is faster |
| 18:18.12 | stew | Drake_: if you mean a "default desktop install" that should be very simiarly to ubuntu. if you mean "default base install" that would be much lighter, but to the point that it wouldn't actually have a graphical environment or a web browser |
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| 18:18.35 | stew | Drake_: what is a default installation? |
| 18:18.38 | Drake_ | stew I see what yu mean |
| 18:19.17 | Drake_ | stew but would it still have web broswers |
| 18:19.30 | marko_ | Hi everyone |
| 18:19.30 | Drake_ | even though its not on a graphical environment |
| 18:19.32 | stew | Drake_: debian has many many web browsers available |
| 18:19.43 | marko_ | does some could help me with problems an mysql server? |
| 18:19.54 | stew | Drake_: debian has many web browsers that work in a graphical environmen and many that work without |
| 18:20.01 | Drake_ | stew, in my ipinion, thats just what I am looking for... is a very basic layout |
| 18:20.05 | dclarke | dear Debian .. how do I use dpkg to search for only those things that are installed which are related to oss? My alsa infrastructure does not work and I have no sound and I think the oss bits are mucking up the config |
| 18:20.25 | stew | marko_: just ask your real question |
| 18:20.35 | marko_ | Thx stew. |
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| 18:20.44 | marko_ | My mysql ist not running. |
| 18:20.45 | macrobat | Drake_: you conf your system and install the pkgs you want, balancing speed with the features you like |
| 18:20.47 | Drake_ | so ok... if you had this "non graphical" layout.. how would you start up a browser?? |
| 18:21.05 | Drake_ | you would have to use commands right? |
| 18:21.06 | dclarke | Drake_: run elinks ? |
| 18:21.10 | marko_ | qube:/var/run/mysqld# /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 18:21.10 | marko_ | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 18:21.10 | marko_ | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running. |
| 18:21.10 | marko_ | qube:/var/run/mysqld# |
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| 18:21.20 | Drake_ | dclarke: you mean commmands? |
| 18:21.37 | macrobat | Drake_: links -g if you have kms |
| 18:21.37 | dclarke | Drake_: pure CLI .. yes |
| 18:21.56 | peterS | by CLI you don't really mean a command line interface. it is full-screen, not a command line |
| 18:21.59 | dclarke | however, sorry for tossing in the non-sequiter .. I'm still fighting with alsa and no sound |
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| 18:22.10 | macrobat | !tell marko_ about pastebin |
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| 18:22.14 | Drake_ | Intensity: I see |
| 18:22.18 | dclarke | peterS: yes I know. however wget is just a CLI |
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| 18:22.25 | Drake_ | ouch though.. where do you guys learn all this,lol |
| 18:22.45 | marko_ | qube:/var/run/mysqld# /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 18:22.46 | dclarke | Drake_: mostly by falling over and standing up .. repeat |
| 18:22.46 | peterS | dclarke: yes, wget is, but a lot of people say CLI when they mean curses (or equivalent - elinks actually reimplements something like curses internally) |
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| 18:23.15 | dclarke | peterS: generally I mean a bourne shell or ksh and not much more |
| 18:23.23 | dclarke | however .. we digress |
| 18:23.23 | ms1j6p | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.19 | Drake_ | does a debianLIVEcd with xfce exist? |
| 18:24.19 | peterS | dclarke: anyway, the fact that you can launch something from a bourne shell makes firefox CLI too, you know |
| 18:24.20 | macrobat | that is not a freenode msg? :D |
| 18:24.33 | Drake_ | sorry not xfce that other one |
| 18:24.39 | dclarke | er .. so in any case .. I'm no guru with dpkg and I am trying to determine what packages are actually install that have bits of oss that may be messing up my also config |
| 18:24.39 | stew | macrobat: its spam, please just ignor e it |
| 18:25.11 | dclarke | peterS: well .. remove all X11Rn for any value of n and that solves that :-) |
| 18:25.15 | macrobat | Drake_: i think you can conf your own live cd |
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| 18:26.17 | eshat | what the ? |
| 18:26.18 | Drake_ | macrobat: there is no livecd for it? :( |
| 18:26.47 | kristian-aalborg | Drake_: there's one with LXDE, would that be okay? |
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| 18:28.28 | sthg | on an old laptop i'd suggest a tiling wm over a desktop environment, if you want to try it that is |
| 18:29.41 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: yes that would |
| 18:29.51 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: is that good though |
| 18:29.58 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: just as good? |
| 18:30.02 | Drake_ | brb |
| 18:31.17 | kristian-aalborg | Drake_: I think lxde is a big bigger, but I'm not sure |
| 18:31.29 | yoshio | !tell dclarke about sound |
| 18:31.42 | yoshio | !tell dclarke about alsa-checklist |
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| 18:32.37 | eshat | annoying ... |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | stop commenting on it .. |
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| 18:34.29 | cheby | lol, gift of freenode |
| 18:34.35 | dclarke | yoshio: thank you |
| 18:34.54 | AimHere | I want Freenode-branded Speedos |
| 18:35.03 | prgmrchr1s | freenode condoms |
| 18:35.28 | stew | lets please stay on-topic, if you must comment on the spam, there is ##comment-on-spam |
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| 18:35.51 | eshat | However, does anyone know about a debian even in germany, where I can get my gpg key signed ? |
| 18:35.57 | eshat | *event |
| 18:36.10 | Pinchiukas | Anyone can suggest the simplest mail relay daemon? So that I could 'sendmail' from localhost without relaying to some particular SMTP server. |
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| 18:36.28 | stew | eshat: see http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#DE |
| 18:36.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | eshat: heise.de does offer some service for it |
| 18:37.12 | pipeline | Pinchiukas: relaying to a particular smtp server IS the simplest method |
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| 18:37.22 | pipeline | Pinchiukas: doing anything else means running a fullfledged mta, which is a massive pain in the ass |
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| 18:37.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | eshat: or are you refering to signing keys for packets? |
| 18:37.35 | pipeline | Pinchiukas: configure postfix w/ a smarthost provided by your isp |
| 18:38.20 | fasta | Do I need to enable anything to go from an Ubuntu machine remotely to a Debian machine and be able to see the remote desktop as if I am there locally? |
| 18:38.33 | Bushmills | KaffeeJunky123: heise does. visit their booth during computer faires. |
| 18:38.39 | fasta | What's considered the best software to do that? |
| 18:38.39 | dkr | fasta: yes |
| 18:38.54 | dkr | fasta: vnc |
| 18:38.59 | fasta | It's Gnome on both sides, if that matters. |
| 18:39.10 | Bushmills | oh, nm. i read "doesn't" |
| 18:39.25 | fasta | Gnome has some tools distributed with it, do those stink? |
| 18:39.36 | pipeline | fasta: install xephyr for a nested X server, the run the remote X11 session via ssh -X |
| 18:39.47 | dkr | fasta: x11vnc if you want to connect to ana lready running remote desktop. the normal vnc you need to launch the desktop with vnc server separately |
| 18:39.51 | pipeline | fasta: e.g. ssh -X -C -v remote-host gnome-session |
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| 18:40.02 | pipeline | fasta: you will need to set the DISPLAY variable to your local nested X |
| 18:40.09 | eshat | KaffeeJunky123: yes, gpg keys, for e-mail verification |
| 18:40.16 | fasta | pipeline: that sounds like a good plan. |
| 18:40.21 | pipeline | fasta: so, Xephyr :11; export DISPLAY=:11; ssh -X -C -v remote-host gnome-session |
| 18:40.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | eshat: well heise does offer a serivce for that |
| 18:40.31 | Pinchiukas | pipeline: smarthost? As in a relay server? |
| 18:40.37 | pipeline | fasta: this is probably not the fastest method, but it's the simplest and most secure |
| 18:40.38 | Pinchiukas | ssmtp would do that just fine. |
| 18:40.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | eshat: but I'm not using it, I'm verifying my keys irl |
| 18:40.43 | pipeline | Pinchiukas: yes |
| 18:40.54 | Pinchiukas | And it'd be simpler to configure. |
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| 18:41.41 | Pinchiukas | Ok I guess postfix it is. :/ |
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| 18:43.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | eshat: http://www.heise.de/security/dienste/Wie-kann-ich-mitmachen-474837.html |
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| 18:44.52 | del_diablo | So... if I have package foo.z, which depends on package foo.y, I run the experimental version of foo.z and foo.y lacks a experimental version, how do I get foo.y installed? |
| 18:44.53 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: sorry bout that |
| 18:45.01 | kristian-aalborg | np |
| 18:45.06 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: is there a lightweight version of debian |
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| 18:45.29 | kristian-aalborg | Drake_: I'm as much as a noob as youreself ;) |
| 18:45.36 | kristian-aalborg | in debian, at least |
| 18:45.42 | stew | del_diablo: aptitude install foo.y? |
| 18:45.46 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: :) |
| 18:45.46 | del_diablo | Drake_: Debian without GNOME is light, all you need to do is to install lxde after the install is done, and it should work |
| 18:45.54 | stew | Drake_: there is only one version of debian. what would a lightweight version mean? |
| 18:46.06 | Drake_ | stew...just faster |
| 18:46.09 | kristian-aalborg | what del_diablo says sounds right |
| 18:46.11 | del_diablo | stew: foo.y needs stable version of foo.z :( |
| 18:46.11 | Drake_ | and doesn't use too much ram |
| 18:46.22 | kristian-aalborg | what kind of specs do you have? |
| 18:46.30 | Drake_ | I have an old IBM |
| 18:46.34 | Drake_ | 1998 |
| 18:46.37 | Pinchiukas | Oh so how do I disable ipv6? |
| 18:46.39 | Drake_ | 300mb ram |
| 18:46.41 | kristian-aalborg | Drake_: lol |
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| 18:46.45 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: lol |
| 18:46.53 | kristian-aalborg | it's a year newer than the one I'm trying to get running |
| 18:46.53 | stew | Drake_: no, there aren't "faster" and "slower" versions of debian. there is only one |
| 18:46.55 | kristian-aalborg | which model? |
| 18:47.09 | stew | del_diablo: wait, are you installing packages from experimental onto stable? you shouldn't |
| 18:47.17 | Drake_ | kristian-aalborg: thinkpad |
| 18:47.20 | kristian-aalborg | I have debian netinstall with fluxbox on this... it's okay |
| 18:47.24 | stew | del_diablo: you'll have to create your own version of foo.y, perhaps uupdate can help |
| 18:47.32 | kristian-aalborg | Drake_: which model? Mine is a TP 770 |
| 18:47.40 | Drake_ | cwoaa |
| 18:47.42 | Drake_ | lol |
| 18:47.52 | Drake_ | then mine must be tp 50 |
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| 18:48.06 | del_diablo | stew: Pinning works quite nicely, thank you. Uupdate seems to be... frankly violating the debian way :( |
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| 18:48.15 | Drake_ | can someone send me the link to download the live cd of debian |
| 18:48.47 | del_diablo | Drake_: How is it connected to the internet? |
| 18:48.55 | Drake_ | wireless |
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| 18:49.19 | del_diablo | Drake_: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 18:49.43 | stew | del_diablo: you really should not be using pinning to mix experimental and stable |
| 18:49.48 | del_diablo | Remember to not install desktop envriroment |
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| 18:49.59 | stew | del_diablo: how does uupdate violate the debian way? |
| 18:49.59 | Pinchiukas | Adding "alias ipv6 off" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases didn't disable ipv6. |
| 18:50.12 | Drake_ | del_diablo: where is the ISO |
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| 18:51.05 | stew | Drake_: note that he's pointing you to the installer, not the live version |
| 18:51.18 | Drake_ | ohh stew |
| 18:51.25 | del_diablo | stew: Theoretically, yes, i agree. But on the other hand there is certain software I want up to date, such as the radeon stack whever it gets updated. The only way of achiving that is pinning. I might be using the last one a bit deliberatly wrong, but I dislike compiling down something that could be done via normal repos. |
| 18:51.26 | Drake_ | it doesn't have a live version right |
| 18:51.45 | stew | Drake_: yes, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 18:51.59 | Drake_ | ahh there we go |
| 18:52.00 | Drake_ | thanks |
| 18:52.22 | stew | del_diablo: ok, but as you've already said, this cannot be done via normal repos |
| 18:52.39 | Drake_ | whats kde desktop |
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| 18:53.02 | stew | del_diablo: if you want something newer that is not on stable, you should be using a backport, not installing binaries from another release or from experimental |
| 18:53.22 | del_diablo | stew: Theoretically there is no broken packages besides the fact that some dev set up insane version requirements.... So... well... I guess I like the way my current system works besides that minor issue. |
| 18:53.48 | stew | del_diablo: what are the insane version requirements? |
| 18:54.01 | Drake_ | wow debian has so many options |
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| 18:54.16 | Drake_ | the standard version is without the gnome and stufff right |
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| 18:54.28 | Drake_ | the command based one....correct |
| 18:55.01 | stew | Drake_: as I've told you many times already, there is only one version |
| 18:55.10 | stew | Drake_: you can chose to add gnome or not |
| 18:55.28 | Drake_ | stew... thats not what im asking |
| 18:55.33 | Pinchiukas | How do I disable ipv6? |
| 18:55.37 | Pinchiukas | Adding "alias ipv6 off" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases didn't disable ipv6. |
| 18:55.42 | Drake_ | there are several downloads here |
| 18:55.44 | thewanderer1 | !disable ipv6 |
| 18:55.44 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 18:55.51 | Drake_ | the standard is the one without the gnome?? |
| 18:55.57 | del_diablo | stew: "freeglut3-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev but will not be installed or libgl-dev. Depends: libglu1-mesa-dev but will not be installed or libglu-dev" All packages are ironically installed, except that the mesa stack is running on experimental |
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| 18:56.48 | stew | Drake_: gnome is an OPTION on ALL of them |
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| 18:56.59 | Drake_ | stew.. oh I see |
| 18:57.05 | Drake_ | so what is standard live cd |
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| 18:57.11 | Drake_ | or kde |
| 18:57.26 | stew | Drake_: oh, i forgot you were looking at livecds |
| 18:57.26 | Drake_ | and then it has gnome |
| 18:57.29 | del_diablo | standard, since you should not run either DE when on such a weak computer |
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| 18:57.34 | Drake_ | stew :) |
| 18:57.39 | Pinchiukas | Must I tell my bootloader about ipv6? No other way? |
| 18:58.17 | del_diablo | Pinchiukas: Yes, running grub2 btw? |
| 18:58.21 | stew | del_diablo: why is a dependency on libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev insane? |
| 18:58.48 | del_diablo | stew: No, the dep is not insane. What is insane is that is that they are already installed. |
| 18:58.48 | Pinchiukas | del_diablo: yes. |
| 18:59.02 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:59.04 | Pinchiukas | del_diablo: can't I just config that in sysctl.conf or something? |
| 18:59.36 | stew | del_diablo: show me the output of "apt-cache policy freeglut3-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libgl-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libglu-dev" |
| 19:00.15 | del_diablo | stew: http://www.fpaste.org/A2Mj/ |
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| 19:01.01 | Drake_ | is it safe to download linux from torrents? |
| 19:01.06 | Drake_ | or can they be rigged |
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| 19:01.10 | del_diablo | Hmm, now that you mention it stew, it seems odd.... |
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| 19:01.16 | stew | del_diablo: so no, none of them are installed |
| 19:01.33 | stew | Drake_: why would you want to use a torrent at all? |
| 19:01.43 | Drake_ | stew, its faster |
| 19:01.47 | stew | Drake_: no it isn't |
| 19:01.50 | stew | Drake_: its slower |
| 19:01.50 | del_diablo | Drake_: Torrents is safer anyhow |
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| 19:02.06 | Drake_ | stew: the download speed from the site is so slow |
| 19:02.09 | Drake_ | its at 9% |
| 19:02.11 | Drake_ | still |
| 19:02.13 | stew | Drake_: the md5sum of the images are published, you should be checking them no matter how you download them |
| 19:02.32 | Pinchiukas | Torrents should be safe I think. |
| 19:02.38 | stew | Drake_: choose a closer mirror: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 19:03.02 | stew | it should be easy to find a mirror that can go faster than your internet connection |
| 19:03.10 | del_diablo | stew: Still.... libgl-dev and some of the packages does not exist.... is that odd? |
| 19:03.31 | stew | del_diablo: no, they are virtual |
| 19:03.38 | Drake_ | thanks stew |
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| 19:03.50 | stew | del_diablo: aptitude search '~Plibgl-dev' |
| 19:05.13 | stew | del_diablo: its a way of saying "i can run with any implementation of gl-dev" libgl1-mesa-dev is specified as the default implementation |
| 19:07.28 | del_diablo | stew: Thanks for the help, that solved the problem |
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| 19:08.34 | blink | on debian, do I need to enable ip forwarding for SNAT to work? |
| 19:09.03 | Drake_ | are there nice and ugly themes for debian (im being serious) |
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| 19:09.12 | Drake_ | basic themes |
| 19:09.17 | Drake_ | like windows 3.1 |
| 19:09.22 | Drake_ | or slackware |
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| 19:09.47 | del_diablo | Drake_: XFCE-dark or what its called, quite goodlooking |
| 19:09.58 | del_diablo | Default lxde theme should be ugly as heck |
| 19:10.07 | Drake_ | del_diablo: lol |
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| 19:10.11 | Drake_ | sweet |
| 19:10.30 | Drake_ | im downloading the xfce live version |
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| 19:11.47 | del_diablo | Drake_: Why don't you download standard, install without desktop, and run "apt-get install lxde" later on? :( |
| 19:12.16 | Drake_ | del_diablo: ya??... you think I should |
| 19:13.53 | del_diablo | Drake_: I am evil! Don't listen to me xD Well, I guess i am respresenting the group that has done archlinux, but never liked the ridicule fickeling. The advantage of doing so is that the work difference from normal desktop install is more or less null, along with the benefit of a ligther desktop |
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| 19:14.15 | Drake_ | del_diablo: thats exactly what I want |
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| 19:14.22 | Drake_ | exactly!! |
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| 19:14.37 | Drake_ | I dont want fanciness |
| 19:14.46 | Drake_ | I just want basic things and security |
| 19:14.48 | Drake_ | with speed |
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| 19:16.35 | stew | blink: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and run "sysctl -p" |
| 19:16.41 | Drake_ | del_diablo: So it should be the 5.0 standard version? |
| 19:17.02 | del_diablo | Drake_: I think so, yes. |
| 19:17.10 | blink | I meant "is it required for that to be enabled", I know how |
| 19:17.28 | stew | blink: no |
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| 19:18.52 | stew | Drake_: no, you want the lxde version |
| 19:19.09 | stew | well, i don't know what the standard one is |
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| 19:19.27 | Drake_ | lol XO |
| 19:19.27 | del_diablo | Standard = GNOME, and it always is. No exceptions. |
| 19:19.36 | Drake_ | ok..which one from here |
| 19:19.39 | Drake_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:19.46 | stew | del_diablo: what is the difference between the standard one and the gnome version then? |
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| 19:20.06 | del_diablo | stew: I don't think it is anything |
| 19:20.52 | stew | Drake_: ahh, the standard one will be without a graphical environment |
| 19:21.02 | Drake_ | stew thats perfect |
| 19:21.11 | stew | del_diablo: the gnome version is > 4 times larger than the standard version |
| 19:21.23 | stew | Drake_: and you are NOT intending to install debian? just use it from a cd? |
| 19:21.40 | Drake_ | stew I just want to try it |
| 19:21.51 | Drake_ | I have ubuntu...its nice but on the slower side |
| 19:21.58 | Drake_ | and thats on a p4 3.2 |
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| 19:22.17 | stew | Drake_: what are you planning to do with it after booting it? |
| 19:22.27 | stew | Drake_: it won't have much to do. it won't have, for instance, a web browser |
| 19:22.39 | del_diablo | stew: Ok, then the difference is the amount of bundled software........ But nevermind that, the core DE shipped is the same <3 |
| 19:22.47 | stew | del_diablo: no, its not |
| 19:22.52 | stew | del_diablo: its just a base system |
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| 19:23.16 | Drake_ | stew: its just thebase system |
| 19:23.40 | Drake_ | Drake_: which version would be ideal to test out |
| 19:23.51 | Drake_ | lol... |
| 19:23.52 | stew | Drake_: i'd recommend the lxde version |
| 19:23.59 | Drake_ | ok |
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| 19:24.21 | Drake_ | stew...and thats not the graphical version |
| 19:24.28 | stew | Drake_: that IS a graphical version |
| 19:24.29 | Drake_ | which is good |
| 19:24.50 | Drake_ | ok stew |
| 19:24.55 | stew | Drake_: if you don't want a graphical version, then sure, try the standard version |
| 19:25.04 | stew | i have a feeling its going to be much too basic |
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| 19:25.30 | Drake_ | debian-live-507-i386-lxde-desktop.iso |
| 19:25.32 | Drake_ | this one? |
| 19:25.45 | stew | Drake_: what are you hoping to be able to do with it? |
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| 19:26.03 | Drake_ | I just want to broswe the internet really |
| 19:26.14 | Drake_ | maybe listen to some youtube |
| 19:26.19 | stew | Drake_: then yes, that one |
| 19:26.22 | blink | ty stew |
| 19:26.29 | Drake_ | ok stew..thanks |
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| 19:27.28 | amee2k | how do i figure out which package contains "gimp-2.0" and "gimpui-2.0" packages for pkgconfig? |
| 19:27.33 | stew | i have no idea if swfdec in lenny is going to be able to view youtube, I'm not hopeful |
| 19:27.39 | amee2k | i need them to build the panotools gump plugin |
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| 19:27.58 | amee2k | installing libgimp2.0-dev didn't do the trick |
| 19:28.05 | amee2k | any hints? |
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| 19:29.37 | stew | libgimp2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc |
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| 19:30.24 | stew | amee2k: "apt-file search pkgconfig | grep gimp" is what I'd suggest using to figure this out |
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| 19:30.36 | iugrina | hi all. Does anyone know how easy it is to set tuxonice + encrypted lvm (swap + root) ? Does anyone have a simillar setup? |
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| 19:32.35 | amee2k | stew: ooh. for some reason it didn't install libgimp2.0-dev when i wanted it to |
| 19:32.48 | amee2k | it configures now. lemme try make it |
| 19:32.51 | Drake_ | ( is temporarily away) |
| 19:32.57 | rioch | So, I downloaded the driver for my network card. I run make clean modules, and low and behold debian doesn't have make... |
| 19:33.07 | stew | !b-e rioch |
| 19:33.08 | dpkg | rioch: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 19:33.21 | rioch | stew: I don't have network access on that machine. |
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| 19:33.50 | amee2k | stew: mmmh, you kinda could have spelled that out too :P |
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| 19:34.18 | stew | rioch: use "apt-get --print-uris install build-essential" to figure out what urls you need to fetch from another machine then |
| 19:34.42 | rioch | stew: that's a tedious job that I shouldn't have to do. |
| 19:34.57 | stew | ok |
| 19:35.02 | amee2k | well, its annoying |
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| 19:35.11 | amee2k | but why do you think you shouldn't have to do it? |
| 19:35.24 | stew | rioch: don't expect debian to change in these regards, probably, ever |
| 19:35.50 | rioch | stew: I don't want them too. |
| 19:35.53 | amee2k | you'd have to download drives without network access on other operating systems too |
| 19:36.10 | stew | rioch: more wasteful and less tedious might be to download the cd that has build-essential and install build-essential from there |
| 19:37.13 | amee2k | download drivers* even |
| 19:37.22 | rioch | I also need the kernel source tree |
| 19:37.41 | stew | rioch: probably not, you probably only need the headers |
| 19:37.54 | rioch | annoyingly, in lenny it works out of the box. The driver was removed from the kernel |
| 19:37.54 | stew | rioch: do you really not have a driver? are you sure you aren't just missing firmware? |
| 19:38.11 | rioch | stew: yes, firmware, sorry my mistake |
| 19:38.18 | stew | rioch: then you don't need to build anything |
| 19:38.21 | amee2k | aren't there nic-extra packages with modules that have recently been removed? |
| 19:38.32 | stew | rioch: probably the reason it was removed was that it was impossible to build |
| 19:38.35 | amee2k | or are these only for the install system |
| 19:38.44 | rioch | I downloaded firmware-linux, and the free/non-free variants |
| 19:38.55 | rioch | rebooted and didn't do anything; google is less than helpful |
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| 19:39.10 | stew | rioch: which driver are you using? |
| 19:39.15 | stew | rioch: or which card do you have? |
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| 19:39.56 | rioch | realtek rtl8111/8168b |
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| 19:40.48 | stew | judd: pciname 8168b |
| 19:40.51 | judd | '8168b' matched: [10ec:8168] 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' |
| 19:40.54 | stew | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 19:40.56 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 19:41.36 | rioch | im on squeeze |
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| 19:42.18 | stew | i know, i'm looking, hold on |
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| 19:42.45 | amee2k | stew: you were right. somehow i failed at installing it and didn't notice |
| 19:42.45 | rioch | :) thanks |
| 19:42.50 | amee2k | also, grep sandwhich /dev/fridge >~/stomach |
| 19:43.01 | stew | judd: file r8169.ko --release squeeze |
| 19:43.05 | judd | r8169.ko in squeeze/i386: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-686/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem: |
| 19:43.07 | judd | lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-openvz-686/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-486: (1 more message) |
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| 19:43.23 | diago | is there anything out there that will let you start a web server that looks at a dir, you can then launch a browser and access it local:port |
| 19:43.25 | stew | rioch: so what happens now if you "modprobe -r r8169; modprobe r8169" then check dmesg? |
| 19:43.46 | diago | like webserver path/to/files |
| 19:44.00 | diago | that would be great if someone can program that real quick |
| 19:44.04 | diago | thanks in advance |
| 19:44.33 | rioch | stew: requests firmware, then unable to apply firmware patch |
| 19:44.41 | acemi | diago: python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8000 in the directory |
| 19:44.51 | acemi | 8000 is the port |
| 19:45.07 | stew | rioch: can you put it in a pastebin? |
| 19:45.16 | diago | YEAH! that sounds promising |
| 19:45.29 | rioch | stew: yeah, which pastebin should I use? |
| 19:45.34 | stew | i don't care |
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| 19:45.54 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 19:45.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:45.59 | kristian-aalborg | hi again |
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| 19:46.07 | kristian-aalborg | can someone help me kickstart wireless? |
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| 19:46.22 | diago | ZOMG that's great acemi!!! |
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| 19:46.43 | rioch | stew: there are 8 lines in total....but I'd have to type it because I'm on a different pc |
| 19:46.54 | rioch | stew: is there anything ur looking for? |
| 19:47.01 | streuner_ | kristian-aalborg: Are you using Debian by any chance? :-) |
| 19:47.10 | stew | rioch: does the firmwaere file its looking for exist in /lib/firmware? |
| 19:47.13 | kristian-aalborg | yes ;) |
| 19:47.25 | kristian-aalborg | I feel like I've tried everything at this moment |
| 19:47.36 | kristian-aalborg | got debian + fluxbox on the machine |
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| 19:47.41 | kristian-aalborg | this is the machine: |
| 19:47.53 | streuner_ | but.., wireless shouldnt be that hard.... |
| 19:48.06 | kristian-aalborg | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770 |
| 19:48.11 | acemi | rioch: did you check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 19:48.49 | stew | for a firmware loading problem? |
| 19:49.01 | streuner_ | Thinkpads are usually well supported... |
| 19:49.06 | Hatter[1] | how do i return to my X desktop after pressing ctrl-alt-F2 ? |
| 19:49.14 | kristian-aalborg | http://www.canit.se/~oli/wl/ |
| 19:49.18 | kristian-aalborg | this is the card |
| 19:49.25 | stew | Hatter[1]: alt-f7 |
| 19:49.35 | Hatter[1] | stew, thx |
| 19:49.42 | rioch | stew: nope, the firmware file it's looking for is not there |
| 19:49.45 | kristian-aalborg | I have a router about 1,5 meters from the laptop, but it sees nothing on scan |
| 19:49.55 | rioch | acemi: what is that for? |
| 19:49.56 | kristian-aalborg | Hatter[1]: startx? |
| 19:50.10 | stew | rioch: did you actually install the firmware-linux-nonfree pacakge? |
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| 19:50.27 | rioch | stew: yes, with dpkg -i |
| 19:50.35 | stew | rioch: what is the name of the file it is looking for? |
| 19:50.35 | kristian-aalborg | streuner_: tried on several distros anything I could think of... no succes |
| 19:50.38 | Hatter[1] | kristian-alborg, alt-F7 did it, i think startx would begin a new X session would it ? |
| 19:50.48 | makubi | Hatter[1]: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 19:50.50 | Pyista42 | is it good to run your own dns server or should i let the datacenter handle that? |
| 19:50.55 | makubi | Hatter[1]: wah, sorry |
| 19:50.56 | kristian-aalborg | Hatter[1]: ah, that kind of thing |
| 19:51.06 | stew | kristian-aalborg: the model number of the card is not actually helpful here, we'd need to know the chipset it has or the deviceid |
| 19:51.08 | rioch | rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 19:51.21 | rioch | kristian-aalborg: is your router hiding the ssid? |
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| 19:51.31 | acemi | rioch: I didn't catch the beginning of the problem, I think that there is an ethernet which is not working now |
| 19:51.43 | streuner_ | kristian-aalborg: sounds to me like a misconfiguration of the client, a router shouldnt have a problem to connect at alll |
| 19:51.52 | stew | ahh |
| 19:51.53 | rioch | acemi: yes. it seems the firmware it needs isn't installed. |
| 19:51.55 | stew | !dbugs 561309 |
| 19:51.59 | dpkg | DONE:#561309:N[linux-2.6] firmware-linux-nonfree: needs firmware for module r8169 (/rtl8168d-{1, 2}.fw) (); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:21:02 UTC [] |
| 19:52.13 | kristian-aalborg | deviceid: 1186:3300 |
| 19:52.32 | kristian-aalborg | I just set my network to no security... still no luck |
| 19:52.45 | kristian-aalborg | streuner_: by client you mean the laptop |
| 19:52.47 | kristian-aalborg | ? |
| 19:52.49 | streuner_ | sure |
| 19:52.54 | kristian-aalborg | k |
| 19:52.57 | stew | rioch: the solution is "you don't actually need the firmware, it works fine without it" |
| 19:53.24 | rioch | stew: really? but ifconfig doesn't list the device. |
| 19:53.32 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: your device is recognized by the sys? |
| 19:53.44 | streuner_ | kristian-aalborg: look into /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:54.05 | diago | kristian-aalborg: does ifconfig show a device? |
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| 19:54.26 | stew | rioch: read the bug |
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| 19:54.43 | kristian-aalborg | the card seems to be found by the system like it should - blinkenlights when I scan etc |
| 19:54.59 | rioch | stew: that line above by dpkg? I don't understand it. |
| 19:55.29 | kristian-aalborg | streuner_: how do I do that? |
| 19:55.38 | kristian-aalborg | diago: ifconfig seems fine |
| 19:55.54 | stew | rioch: #561309 is the bug number in the bts |
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| 19:56.37 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: like rioch mentioned, did you enabled ssid-broadcast on the ap? |
| 19:56.56 | rioch | stew: thanks, let me read it. |
| 19:57.41 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: the router? |
| 19:57.48 | kristian-aalborg | I can see it from other laptops |
| 19:57.55 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: ok |
| 19:58.00 | kristian-aalborg | (the network, I mean) |
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| 19:58.40 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: do you see it, if you scan for networks on the console? |
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| 19:59.32 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: no |
| 19:59.51 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: you did it as root? |
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| 20:00.33 | kristian-aalborg | as root or normal user.. nothing |
| 20:00.57 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: try enabling it (ifconfig DEVICE up) |
| 20:00.57 | kristian-aalborg | I live on a block with usually 10 visible networks or so |
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| 20:01.14 | kristian-aalborg | same |
| 20:01.22 | kristian-aalborg | I'm still root, is that okay? |
| 20:01.30 | makubi | should be fine |
| 20:01.46 | makubi | so if you start it and scan again, no luck? |
| 20:01.57 | makubi | check out dmesg too |
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| 20:02.23 | kristian-aalborg | no luck with "down" and "scan" again |
| 20:03.03 | kristian-aalborg | it should be mentioned that my install is no longer vanilla - I got some things with "pcmcia" or "wireless" in their name |
| 20:03.04 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: "down" wouldn't do it |
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| 20:03.06 | kil1iondude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.06 | kil1iondude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.06 | kil1iondude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.29 | kristian-aalborg | these dudes are getting on my nerves |
| 20:03.53 | kishy | would recommend disabling that type of notification in your client |
| 20:04.13 | kishy | though, this is the only channel of 4 on freenode that i'm in which receives that spam. surely it can be eliminated... |
| 20:04.22 | gp2k | what is a pdpc? |
| 20:04.50 | kristian-aalborg | dmesg says |
| 20:04.54 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: and you are sure it is enabled, even in the bios? |
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| 20:05.00 | kristian-aalborg | ... wlan0: link is not ready |
| 20:05.01 | fasta | pipeline: I don't really get a fullscreen nested x server, but otherwise it works. |
| 20:05.14 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: I had wireless before on this box, with an usb dongle |
| 20:05.27 | kristian-aalborg | the wired pcmcia card is working fine also |
| 20:05.38 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: well, maybe the built-in wireless-access-device is disabled |
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| 20:05.50 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: this is a pcmcia card |
| 20:05.53 | zwamkat | gp2k: Is it a Peer-Directed Projects Center? http://freenode.net/pdpc.shtml |
| 20:06.03 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: what if you set it to "up" again? what does dmesg say? |
| 20:06.05 | kristian-aalborg | and no "wifi on/off" button |
| 20:06.23 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: the same |
| 20:06.34 | rioch | stew: I've read the bug report, and it should just work as you said, but I never get an eth0 entry in ifconfig |
| 20:06.59 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: I wonder if you tried with some distributions but it won't work on any of them |
| 20:07.13 | kristian-aalborg | I tried for about a week with slitaz |
| 20:07.29 | kristian-aalborg | then I loaded puppy and fooled around with it a bit |
| 20:07.39 | fasta | Using Xephyr, how can I get a full screen desktop (or windowed but much larger)? |
| 20:08.19 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: You should try ubuntu live (don't hit me) |
| 20:08.21 | acemi | rioch: did you change your ethernet adaptor after installing debian? |
| 20:08.22 | kristian-aalborg | the annoying thing is, that if you google for instance "pcmcia thinkpad 770 wifi error linux" you will get some results, but that does not neccesarily mean that they apply to you :/ |
| 20:08.31 | rioch | acemi: no |
| 20:08.35 | kristian-aalborg | makubi: this box is too old for ubuntu |
| 20:08.49 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: are you sure? |
| 20:08.58 | kristian-aalborg | yes :) |
| 20:09.14 | makubi | what do you mean by "too old"? |
| 20:09.15 | kristian-aalborg | also, the cdrom is a bit faulty |
| 20:09.23 | kristian-aalborg | 1997? |
| 20:09.32 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: take an usb-stick (I did that too) |
| 20:09.37 | stew | kristian-aalborg: have you looked at http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x ? |
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| 20:10.09 | envoked | Hi, I have a question about upgrading from lenny to squeeze in a xen environment |
| 20:11.13 | envoked | I went through all the standard steps but for some reason, now when I try to boot my VPS I get a Error: 15 File not found error |
| 20:11.23 | rioch | Is it possible to download the firmware file from somewhere? |
| 20:11.53 | envoked | and after upgrading, it seems like my grub wasn't upgraded because i still only see an entry for lenny and none for squeeze |
| 20:12.43 | fasta | Why is it 30 times slower to connect to start gnome-session remotely in a nested X server? |
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| 20:13.44 | kristian-aalborg | stew: yes, a bit |
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| 20:14.20 | stew | kristian-aalborg: linux sees your interface? but you just can't connect to access points? |
| 20:14.34 | kristian-aalborg | yes, that sounds like it |
| 20:15.21 | kristian-aalborg | it does not "see" anything |
| 20:15.36 | Hatter[1] | i have a lot of xterms open on my X desktop with programs running in them and they are all sized up nicely, what can i do return the desktop as it is on re boot ? the gnome-session save would only save the xterms i think not the programs running inside ? |
| 20:15.52 | stew | kristian-aalborg: can you pastebin the output of "iwconfig"? |
| 20:16.18 | stew | kristian-aalborg: and i guess the output of "iwlist scan" |
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| 20:18.31 | kristian-aalborg | stew: sure |
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| 20:19.04 | defn | I'm on Debian Lenny and cannot get tmux to build from source: https://gist.github.com/725974 Can anyone please help me out? |
| 20:20.23 | fasta | Hatter[1]: you can put your machine in sleep mode. |
| 20:20.37 | fasta | Hatter[1]: or hibernation as some people call it. |
| 20:21.06 | kristian-aalborg | I hope it's getting clear this is not exactly trivial ;) |
| 20:21.17 | kristian-aalborg | or, it might be once the error is located |
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| 20:22.18 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/Ljc23LSv |
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| 20:23.32 | kristian-aalborg | wlan0 No scan results (no need for a pastebin) |
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| 20:24.37 | khaije|amalt | so... here's something i've wondered about for a while... can i setup raid 1 between my laptops local disk and a iscsi target... will that work... if so it's a pretty sweet backup setup |
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| 20:25.23 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/HA577A3c |
| 20:25.25 | stew | yes, but raid is not a backup |
| 20:25.29 | kristian-aalborg | here's dmesg |
| 20:25.43 | dkr | khaije|amalt: sounds like drbd |
| 20:26.06 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/dLYHmpL0 - why can't it connect? The file is there: srwxrwxr-x 1 dkim-filter dkim-filter 0 Dec 2 21:39 /var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock |
| 20:26.07 | dkr | !tell khaije|amalt about drbd |
| 20:26.10 | stew | kristian-aalborg: you've tried "ifconfig wlan0 up" first, right? |
| 20:26.19 | khaije|amalt | stew: it would be an opputunistic sync, no? |
| 20:26.19 | defn | okay i figured out part of my problem, but i really need some help on this one: https://gist.github.com/725995 I cannot get tmux to build. See the Error in the gist. |
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| 20:26.48 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 20:26.56 | stew | khaije|amalt: oppurtunistic? not if you mean by that what I think you mean |
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| 20:27.22 | AlexC_ | with the recent announcement for install/upgrade tests of Squeeze, is there a rough estimate for release date now? |
| 20:27.22 | Drake_ | does debian have decent wireless compatibility |
| 20:27.23 | khaije|amalt | stew: i just mean it will sync when possible, but not bother much when it can't |
| 20:27.43 | khaije|amalt | since i can set the local disk to the raid 1 primary |
| 20:27.44 | kristian-aalborg | stew: yes, and then iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 20:27.46 | stew | khaije|amalt: then "no" |
| 20:27.49 | kristian-aalborg | gives no results |
| 20:28.08 | khaije|amalt | dkr: i'm not sure how this is different/better... |
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| 20:28.29 | kristian-aalborg | here's my /var/log/boot: http://pastebin.com/HA577A3c |
| 20:28.31 | dkr | khaije|amalt: just giving you another very similar option. |
| 20:28.45 | stew | khaije|amalt: when the remote disk becomes unavailable, its not going to magically resync when it becomes available again, you'll have to manually re-add it. then its not going to just copy the stuff that has changed to the remote disk, its going to again copy EVERYTHING |
| 20:29.09 | dkr | there are always trade-offs. and yeah, i was just abotu to say that, I think failure to write might cause ther aid to go into degraded mode |
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| 20:29.21 | kristian-aalborg | I got NetworkManager btw |
| 20:29.22 | dkr | drbd might handle network connectivity loss better |
| 20:29.31 | stew | khaije|amalt: and its not a backup in the sense that when you go "rm importantthing" and say "OOPS I NEEDED THAT" you can't say "i'll just grab it from my backup" because it was instantly also deleted from your "backup" |
| 20:29.34 | rioch | stew: any idea what I can do? I'm really stuck on this. |
| 20:29.52 | khaije|amalt | stew: oh ya, i get that |
| 20:30.36 | stew | rioch: not if there wasn't a usable workaround in the bts |
| 20:30.45 | khaije|amalt | stew: i was thinking about this for 1. the portability of vm's and 2. the increasesd ease of backing up centralized data |
| 20:32.08 | khaije|amalt | stew: i thought it was part of the raid protocol that differing members were merged, you're saying their only overwritten? |
| 20:32.19 | kristian-aalborg | stew: any words of wisdom? ;) |
| 20:32.38 | khaije|amalt | when i say merged i mean on a this file is newer so it overwrites that file basis |
| 20:32.43 | stew | kristian-aalborg: i'd also try unloading and reloading the kernel module |
| 20:32.54 | kristian-aalborg | rtl8180? |
| 20:32.57 | stew | kristian-aalborg: RAID doesn't know what a file is. its bit by bit on the disk |
| 20:33.21 | stew | khaije|amalt: ^^^ that was meant for you, sorry |
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| 20:33.49 | stew | khaije|amalt: i don't know what you mean by "raid protocol" |
| 20:33.59 | khaije|amalt | i gathered. it's something that i've always wanted to try but maybe i'll think it through more |
| 20:34.38 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: what wlan-interface do you use? which hardware? |
| 20:34.58 | kristian-aalborg | you mean the computer? |
| 20:35.02 | kristian-aalborg | pcmcia |
| 20:35.12 | stew | he means which chipset |
| 20:35.23 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: no, do a 'lspci | grep -i net' |
| 20:35.36 | makubi | stew: thanks ;-) |
| 20:35.57 | stew | makubi: (its not pci) |
| 20:36.17 | makubi | stew: so lspcmcia does it? |
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| 20:36.23 | stew | makubi: its this:http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 20:36.43 | makubi | stew: ok |
| 20:36.47 | stew | < kristian-aalborg> deviceid: 1186:3300 |
| 20:37.38 | makubi | right |
| 20:37.51 | makubi | kristian-aalborg: so you should reload the module you loaded before |
| 20:38.03 | kristian-aalborg | rtl8180 |
| 20:38.10 | kristian-aalborg | modprobe rtl8180? |
| 20:38.12 | stew | judd: pciid 1186:3300 |
| 20:38.14 | judd | [1186:3300] is 'DWL-510 2.4GHz Wireless PCI Adapter' from 'D-Link System Inc' with kernel module 'rtl8180' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1186:3300 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 20:38.27 | stew | kristian-aalborg: modprobe -r rtl8180 ; modprobe rtl8180 |
| 20:38.31 | stew | (-r to unload first) |
| 20:38.46 | stew | then check "dmesg | tail" again |
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| 20:39.09 | kristian-aalborg | still nothing |
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| 20:39.41 | stew | and then you'd have to "ifconfig wlan0 up" again before you'd expect anything to work |
| 20:39.53 | kristian-aalborg | yup |
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| 20:40.23 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/hD7ViaF0 |
| 20:40.34 | kristian-aalborg | output of dmesg | tail |
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| 20:42.16 | kristian-aalborg | it should be noted that I tried rtl8187 in the meantime |
| 20:42.45 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/uagCRxRX |
| 20:42.58 | kristian-aalborg | this is the procedure repeated with rtl8187 removed |
| 20:43.24 | kristian-aalborg | I gotto go fetch some pizza, I'll be back in ten mins |
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| 20:45.01 | stew | grab me some too |
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| 20:54.31 | freeone3000 | If I wanted to install an older version of gcc, such as version 2.9, how would I go about doing so? |
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| 20:56.45 | catsup | freeone3000: you want the debian version of gcc specifically? because the easiest (though not fastest) thing might be to install from gnu sources |
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| 20:56.58 | [SkG] | yep build it from source |
| 20:57.02 | kristian-aalborg | back |
| 20:57.04 | [SkG] | and u can see this also: http://www.trevorpounds.com/blog/?p=111 |
| 20:57.11 | [SkG] | but is for x86-64 |
| 20:57.34 | freeone3000 | That'll work, I suppose, I just wanted to avoid compiling gcc because it takes forever. Thanks. |
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| 20:58.22 | kristian-aalborg | wget pizza |
| 20:58.30 | kristian-aalborg | dpkg -i pizza |
| 20:58.30 | dpkg | package pizza is already installed |
| 20:58.39 | kristian-aalborg | lol |
| 20:58.40 | streuner_ | lol |
| 20:58.48 | [SkG] | dpkg -i brain |
| 20:58.48 | dpkg | removes a liver from [skg] and replaces it with brain |
| 20:59.02 | delby | hi. i want upgrade package foo that was installed from squeeze to squeeze-snapshot. i added the necessary lines to sources.list. what command do i give? |
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| 20:59.15 | stew | freeone3000: you could try: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/gcc-2.95/ |
| 20:59.15 | freeone3000 | 'apt-get install foo' will update it. |
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| 20:59.28 | del_diablo | delby: Synaptics and ctrl+e |
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| 20:59.48 | khem_ | I am using the guided partitioner in Debians installer, its been black screen for about 15 minutes. is it normal that it takes that long time for just 400gb? |
| 20:59.56 | iluminator101 | hey guys it stalls at this point, thanks in advance. http://pastebin.com/fB0UzDm0 |
| 21:00.20 | freeone3000 | stew: Thanks. I'll see if it installs without pulling in huge amounts of depends. |
| 21:00.21 | dondelelcaro | khem_: no, that's not normal |
| 21:00.24 | delby | but i still have the original squeeze repo line. will it know to do so from snapshots? |
| 21:00.38 | freeone3000 | stew: Ah. Source deps. Was going with vanilla gcc, thanks anyway. |
| 21:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Disk Space? |
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| 21:03.01 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt diskspace is low only 400mbs left |
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| 21:04.16 | Requia | I lost sound after an update, I've got *most* of it back, but a couple programs don't appear to be working, errorlog says I have no /dev/dsp |
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| 21:04.26 | Requia | Google tells me to run alsaconf, but that was removed |
| 21:04.44 | freeone3000 | Is the alsa-oss-compat package installed, or was that removed as part of the update? |
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| 21:05.20 | Requia | it is not installed, but it was, so I'm guessing removed |
| 21:05.26 | delby | freeone3000: will apt use the squeeze or squeeze snapshots for the install? |
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| 21:05.54 | kristian-aalborg | stew: thought op something? :) |
| 21:06.09 | kristian-aalborg | well, not only stew... anyone here? |
| 21:06.18 | freeone3000 | delby: Whichever has a greater version number. If you want to specify, there's version pinning available, but I don't know enough to walk you through it. |
| 21:07.00 | delby | freeone3000: i see, thanks |
| 21:08.14 | Requia | Insalling alsa-oss-compat does not appear to change anything |
| 21:08.18 | Requia | unless it requires a reboot |
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| 21:08.58 | Requia | wait |
| 21:09.04 | freeone3000 | Should have given you a /dev/dsp. |
| 21:09.07 | Requia | no I installed alsa-oss, not alsa-oss-compat |
| 21:09.12 | Requia | there is no alsa-oss-compat |
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| 21:09.31 | kristian-aalborg | I'll paste /var/log/messages now... |
| 21:09.36 | yoshio | !tell Requia about alsa checklist |
| 21:10.02 | Requia | none of those steps make any sense |
| 21:10.09 | Requia | I have sound, just not for all programs |
| 21:10.40 | Requia | specifically, the broken programs want a /dev/dsp |
| 21:10.45 | freeone3000 | Okay. Well, alsa-oss gives you `aoss`, which'll wrap OSS programs to use ALSA. Not sure if this is how you're supposed to do it, but `aoss ./your-program.bin` will give you ALSA sound, even though the app was coded for OSS. |
| 21:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | oss shouldn't have anything to do with whether sound is working in general, it's a specialized application. |
| 21:11.03 | freeone3000 | (Apps that want /dev/dsp want OSS) |
| 21:11.14 | Requia | ah |
| 21:11.21 | jhutchins_lt | Given that most apps coded for oss were obsolete five years or more ago... |
| 21:11.33 | freeone3000 | I believe WINE still uses it. |
| 21:11.41 | kristian-aalborg | ah bugger, my script won't work for the file... probably too big |
| 21:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Most, not all. |
| 21:12.00 | Requia | no I have sound in WINE |
| 21:12.16 | Requia | aha |
| 21:12.20 | yoshio | Requia, do you have oss-compat and alsa-oss installed? |
| 21:12.24 | Requia | its oss-compat I want |
| 21:12.40 | Requia | that gave me a dsp1 |
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| 21:12.44 | kristian-aalborg | however, it ends in wlan0: link is not ready |
| 21:12.44 | Requia | so... symlink time |
| 21:13.05 | Drake_ | I am on the debian livece, but my wireless internet is not active :( |
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| 21:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, I hadn't realized we'd lost /dev/dsp |
| 21:14.19 | Requia | ok |
| 21:14.25 | Requia | everything but flash has sound now |
| 21:14.32 | Requia | so that's probably a flash issue |
| 21:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | Requia: Do you have pulseaudio? |
| 21:15.04 | Requia | yeah, came with the update |
| 21:15.11 | Requia | thats when everything broke |
| 21:15.46 | Requia | but flash sound hasn't been working for a long time |
| 21:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | Requia: Unless you need it for something I'd get rid of it. It causes more problems than it solves, and one of them is that flash can't use it. |
| 21:16.45 | Requia | Actually, if it breaks flash that's fine by me |
| 21:16.45 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, it's probably the cause of your problems. |
| 21:16.58 | Requia | I like not having to look at people's idiotic youtube links <_< |
| 21:18.19 | yagoo | Requia, well at least nobody has to dance to your idiotic kinect :) |
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| 21:19.02 | Requia | whats a kinect? |
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| 21:20.13 | CodeNinja | Requia: a craptastic microsoft invention |
| 21:20.21 | Requia | oh |
| 21:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | 3d imaging/motion detection controller for xbox. |
| 21:20.29 | Requia | that crappy wiimote replacement? |
| 21:20.32 | CodeNinja | what dirs should not be backed up? I know /dev /proc and /tmp, what else? |
| 21:20.41 | CodeNinja | Requia: not quite |
| 21:20.54 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 21:20.59 | Agiofws | can anyone help me with this error |
| 21:21.05 | Agiofws | Error in startup script: can't find package LIBWACOMXI ? |
| 21:21.38 | Agiofws | or has anyone got wacomcpl to work in debian ? |
| 21:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Not finding those in lennny. What release are you on? uname -r? |
| 21:23.00 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.31.6 #3 SMP Mon Nov 30 00:08:58 EET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:23.08 | Agiofws | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315142 |
| 21:23.11 | Drake_ | are drivers for debian hard to get? |
| 21:23.19 | Requia | do you have xserver-xorg-input-wacom installed? |
| 21:23.20 | themill | CodeNinja: /msg dpkg things to backup |
| 21:23.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:23.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-28~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:23.43 | Agiofws | how do i ask apt to see if i have it installed ? |
| 21:23.44 | EmleyMoor | Drake_: Much hardware is already supported by drivers in the kernel |
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| 21:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Agiofws about based on debian |
| 21:24.10 | Drake_ | EmleyMoor: I'm on the livecd and its not reading the internet |
| 21:24.12 | CodeNinja | themill: I'm surprised you dont have an inverse, 'things not to backup' |
| 21:24.14 | Drake_ | wireless |
| 21:24.18 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: I've found it pretty easy. Some really new stuff is a little harder. |
| 21:24.28 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Chipset? |
| 21:24.28 | EmleyMoor | Drake_: What cardL |
| 21:24.30 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 21:24.30 | Agiofws | xserver-xorg-input-wacom is already the newest version. |
| 21:24.32 | Drake_ | jhutchins_lt: this is a older pc |
| 21:24.34 | Agiofws | xserver-xorg-input-wacom set to manually installed. |
| 21:24.38 | Drake_ | ubuntu worked |
| 21:24.45 | Agiofws | it seems that i do Requia |
| 21:24.46 | Drake_ | i mean ir read the wireless |
| 21:24.59 | EmleyMoor | Drake_: What is the wireless chipset? |
| 21:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: What might work for Debian would probably not work for your non-debian kernel. |
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| 21:25.33 | Drake_ | what do I type ls pci? |
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| 21:25.44 | EmleyMoor | lspci might help |
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| 21:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: All one word: lspci |
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| 21:26.26 | stew | Drake_: this is a pcmcia card? |
| 21:26.29 | Agiofws | i just need that app to work so i can set up my wacom tablet to work properly hopefully on my dual screen set up |
| 21:26.37 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: What distribution is that? |
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| 21:26.39 | Agiofws | jhutchins, |
| 21:26.40 | spacepluk | hi, how can I run an X application on a remote server (ssh) and have it displayed on the remote server's screen? |
| 21:26.44 | Agiofws | debian |
| 21:26.53 | Drake_ | realtec Semiconductor |
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| 21:26.56 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: It's not a debian kernel. |
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| 21:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: model number? |
| 21:27.04 | Drake_ | realtek actually |
| 21:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: realteks are pretty wekk syupported. |
| 21:27.16 | Agiofws | that does not mean its not debian |
| 21:27.19 | Drake_ | RTL-8185 IEEE |
| 21:27.56 | qq- | !RTL8185 |
| 21:27.57 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 21:27.59 | stew | judd: pciid 10ec:8185 |
| 21:27.59 | Agiofws | since when is a distribution kernel specific ... ? |
| 21:28.00 | judd | [10ec:8185] is 'RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8180' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8185 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 21:28.02 | Requia | Isn't RT the RaLink designation? |
| 21:28.10 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8185 |
| 21:28.10 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 21:28.27 | Drake_ | ITS POINTLESS RIGHT NOW RIGHT |
| 21:28.28 | Drake_ | srry bout caps |
| 21:28.43 | Drake_ | because I am on live mode, it might be pointless |
| 21:28.47 | Drake_ | I would have to instal it |
| 21:28.56 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: If you'd care to try a debian kernel on it we would have a basis for being able to help you. The wacom drivers are part of the kernel. |
| 21:28.59 | stew | Drake_: no, it should be included |
| 21:29.03 | stew | Drake_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:29.14 | Agiofws | i know and i am using them ... |
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| 21:29.29 | Drake_ | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:29.32 | Drake_ | stew |
| 21:29.32 | Agiofws | but since they did not work i used latest waomdrivers |
| 21:29.43 | stew | Agiofws: how is it connected? |
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| 21:29.55 | Agiofws | usb |
| 21:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: You could try a live squeeze, or if you installed lenny the backport kernel should support it. |
| 21:30.01 | Agiofws | what is connected ? |
| 21:30.15 | stew | Drake_: squeeze would be less likely to work |
| 21:30.31 | yoshio | Agiofws, type "dpkg -l" to see the installed packages list, grep for a package name you want, or type "dpkg -l packagename" |
| 21:30.44 | stew | Agiofws: what does "grep CONFIG_TABLET_USB_WACOM /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return? |
| 21:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Do check the relase notes for known gotchas though, still some rough patches (Intel video). |
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| 21:31.40 | stew | (and the bugs about the firmware for his card being removed from squeeze) |
| 21:31.48 | Agiofws | grep CONFIG_TABLET_USB_WACOM /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 21:31.49 | Agiofws | CONFIG_TABLET_USB_WACOM=m |
| 21:31.54 | Agiofws | thats not the issue though |
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| 21:32.15 | stew | Agiofws: ahh, sorry, it seemed that someone thought you had a problem with the kernel drivers |
| 21:32.23 | Agiofws | lol |
| 21:32.24 | Drake_ | I could hook it up to the internet wired temporarily |
| 21:32.27 | Agiofws | thanks stew |
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| 21:32.33 | Drake_ | would this help with downloading drivers or something |
| 21:32.50 | stew | Drake_: you already have the drivers |
| 21:32.56 | fasta | Drake_: be more specific. |
| 21:33.12 | Drake_ | stew, then why isn't it working |
| 21:33.13 | Agiofws | dpkg -l WACOM |
| 21:33.13 | Agiofws | No packages found matching WACOM. |
| 21:33.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching WACOM |
| 21:33.18 | Drake_ | if the driver is in |
| 21:33.23 | fasta | Drake_: on kernel.org you can find 99% of the drivers, of which 100% has probably already been installed. |
| 21:33.33 | infinity_ | any ideas why /dev/sda1 is listed in parted as 4480GB and vgdisplay shows it as 4.07 TiB ? I'm missing about 300GB |
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| 21:33.39 | stew | Drake_: is the rtl8180 kernel module loaded? |
| 21:34.08 | Drake_ | Im not sure |
| 21:34.12 | Drake_ | im on live mode so |
| 21:34.17 | fasta | Drake_: the rest of the drivers are proprietar. |
| 21:34.19 | fasta | y |
| 21:34.30 | khem_ | how do i zero the first mb on a .img file? |
| 21:34.45 | fasta | Drake_: if you run dmesg, do you see that your device exists? |
| 21:34.46 | khem_ | so that the Debian installer will look at it as a "empty" disk rather than a LVM? |
| 21:35.15 | Drake_ | it shows a whole bunch of things |
| 21:35.20 | fasta | Drake_: if it does, plug the model number into Google + linux driver and modprobe the result. |
| 21:35.42 | fasta | Drake_: mostly likely it is what stew said (I don't own a WACOM). |
| 21:35.52 | yagoo | khem_, you have to do the end of the disk too |
| 21:35.54 | fasta | Drake_: to see whether it is loaded you can do lsmod |
| 21:36.06 | yagoo | khem_, i believe there's signature of lvm at then end of the disk too |
| 21:36.11 | fasta | Drake_: or lsmod|grep 8180 |
| 21:36.11 | khem_ | yagoo: ok but how do i do that? =) |
| 21:36.22 | stew | infinity_: because 4480 GB = 4480 GiB? |
| 21:36.23 | khem_ | mustbe quicker than creating a new 400gb .img |
| 21:36.30 | stew | infinity_: err because 4480 GB = 4070 GiB? |
| 21:36.44 | Drake_ | ya it shows 3 files |
| 21:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: The realtek is not supported in the version you have live. |
| 21:36.53 | Drake_ | rtl8180 |
| 21:36.54 | yagoo | khem_, well you can use dd if=/dev/zero of=becareful and some offset arguments |
| 21:37.06 | Drake_ | jhutchins_lt: how do I install it |
| 21:37.14 | fasta | Drake_: those are not files. |
| 21:37.26 | infinity_ | stew: wouldn't you divice 4480 / 1024 to get TiB? But that equals 4.37, not 4.07 |
| 21:37.41 | fasta | Drake_: they are modules, which have with them associated a representation in the file system, which is different. |
| 21:37.53 | Drake_ | fasta: I see |
| 21:37.56 | fasta | Drake_: essentially, they are .ko files, but that's not really important. |
| 21:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: You might be able to get he kmuto installer to work, or do a netinstall over wired (quicker anyway), add the backport kernel and you should be fine. |
| 21:37.59 | stew | dpkg: 4480000000000 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 |
| 21:37.59 | dpkg | 4.074536263943 |
| 21:38.09 | stew | infinity_: ^^ |
| 21:38.14 | yoshio | Agiofws, I guess you wanted "dpkg -l | grep wacom", which gives me xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 21:38.30 | Drake_ | im on the light debian, but where is the "install" icon |
| 21:38.34 | fasta | Drake_: what makes you think that your WACOM "doesn't work"? |
| 21:38.50 | Drake_ | fasta its not flashing |
| 21:38.53 | infinity_ | stew: okay. looks like you're on to something. I'll have to rethink my conversion. thanks |
| 21:38.54 | Drake_ | not connecting to the interbet |
| 21:38.58 | stew | fasta: he's trying to get wireless working, Agiofws is trying to get a wacom working |
| 21:39.03 | khem_ | yagoo: dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/400gb.img ? that would be fine? |
| 21:39.07 | fasta | stew: oops. |
| 21:39.27 | Agiofws | wacom is working |
| 21:39.36 | yagoo | khem_, no |
| 21:39.40 | Agiofws | but works strangely in a dual screen set up |
| 21:39.49 | yagoo | khem_, chedck out the manpage.. there's not many options.. |
| 21:39.54 | Agiofws | killing X |
| 21:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: There are only two wacom packages in debian, the wacom-tools and the xorg driver. |
| 21:40.05 | fasta | Drake_: do you already know which driver you need for your hardware? |
| 21:40.11 | yagoo | khem_, using dd with /dev/zero like that without bounday means infinity.. /dev/zero is an infinity |
| 21:40.17 | khem_ | yagoo: i rather get help from somebody qualified |
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| 21:40.26 | yagoo | khem_, rtfm. |
| 21:40.32 | yagoo | doesn't spoon feed |
| 21:40.33 | Drake_ | fasta, I thought I dont need drivers |
| 21:40.35 | fasta | Drake_: on Ubuntu it works out of the box these days (so, I would suppose Debian too). |
| 21:40.42 | fasta | Drake_: you need a driver for every device. |
| 21:40.52 | Drake_ | fasta: ok |
| 21:40.55 | fasta | Drake_: this driver might be in the kernel already or available as a module. |
| 21:41.03 | fasta | Drake_: many are loaded by default. |
| 21:41.11 | stew | Drake_: you don't need *additional* drivers. you already have the driver you need installed |
| 21:41.12 | fasta | Drake_: not all of them however. |
| 21:41.13 | Drake_ | fasta: ok, but im on the xlce |
| 21:41.17 | khem_ | so I dont do a mistake |
| 21:41.17 | khem_ | ke |
| 21:41.19 | Drake_ | or xfce |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchins_lt | fasta: His drivers are in the debian .27 and later kernels. |
| 21:41.25 | Drake_ | How do I install it |
| 21:41.35 | fasta | Drake_: that's unrelated. |
| 21:41.36 | stew | Drake_: install what? |
| 21:41.36 | khem_ | well the "fucking manual" doesnt say very much about how I hit the first and last sector |
| 21:41.47 | Drake_ | install the os |
| 21:41.55 | Drake_ | how do I put int on the HD |
| 21:41.59 | stew | Drake_: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:42.02 | jhutchins_lt | !install |
| 21:42.02 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 21:42.09 | fasta | Drake_: if you have the driver, all you need is an application instructing to make the connection to the driver via an abstraction layer. |
| 21:42.13 | yagoo | khem_, you're too incompetent.. then zero out the whole device .. cat /dev/zero > /device |
| 21:42.21 | fasta | Drake_: I use NetworkManager for that for example. |
| 21:42.33 | stew | khem_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:42.38 | fasta | Drake_: I think that's a Gnome application, but wpa_supplicant can also do that, IIRC. |
| 21:42.41 | themill | yagoo, khem_: let's try to keep it constructive. |
| 21:43.19 | fasta | Drake_: anyway, the important thing is that you need some application which enables you to list for example access points as a first testing step. |
| 21:43.34 | fasta | Drake_: iwlist scan # is such a command. |
| 21:43.35 | jhutchins_lt | fasta: He's asking how to install debian. What are you off about? |
| 21:43.37 | Drake_ | fasta: yes |
| 21:43.43 | Drake_ | but fasta right now Im on live mode |
| 21:43.45 | khem_ | stew: I want one of my .img files used for Xen domU's to be 'zero' at the beginning and end, so that the installer won't recognize it's LVM and get problems creating the filesystems. |
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| 21:44.24 | fasta | jhutchins_lt: if he is running from a LiveCD the process is the same, no (assuming it works the same as all the other LiveCDs out there)? |
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| 21:44.59 | fasta | jhutchins_lt: I can think of no reason why Debian would not simply use the same process as the Ubuntu distribution uses. |
| 21:45.12 | stew | khem_: you can use a combination of the bs/count parameters to dd to tell it how many bytes you want written, you can use skip to tell it where to start |
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| 21:45.19 | Drake_ | fasta I am using the light version of debian |
| 21:45.26 | Drake_ | fasta pehaps that might be why it lacks |
| 21:45.34 | fasta | Drake_: the+- 23MB one? |
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| 21:45.46 | Drake_ | no, it was about 431mb |
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| 21:45.58 | stew | Drake_: no, you are not using the light version of debian, you are using one with an lxde desktop instead of a gnome desktop |
| 21:46.06 | Drake_ | stew yes |
| 21:46.09 | Drake_ | thats right |
| 21:46.22 | fasta | Drake_: ok, so you are now running a LiveCD and you have a wired internet connection and you want a wireless connection? |
| 21:47.05 | fasta | Drake_: or possibly you don't even have the wired internet connection and you are on a different machine. |
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| 21:47.15 | fasta | Drake_: in which situation are we? |
| 21:47.35 | khem_ | stew: so then I have to calculate how many bytes there is in that file I guess |
| 21:47.39 | Drake_ | fasta.. I could hook it up to wired, but them I would lose this chatroom |
| 21:47.43 | khem_ | and then put a zero at the frist and the last byte? |
| 21:47.50 | Drake_ | but then I can come onto chat via debian |
| 21:48.02 | Drake_ | so that would be good |
| 21:48.04 | fasta | Drake_: so, you have another machine? |
| 21:48.08 | Drake_ | Yes |
| 21:48.10 | fasta | Drake_: no, just leave it like this. |
| 21:48.11 | Drake_ | this is a windows box |
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| 21:48.28 | yonkeltron | !tell yonkeltron about stow |
| 21:48.34 | stew | khem_: why the first and last byte? |
| 21:48.38 | Drake_ | fasta ok.. but I dont think we can get veryt far |
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| 21:48.48 | fasta | Drake_: do you have the command iwlist? |
| 21:48.49 | stew | khem_: can you not just either blank out the entire image? or use pvremove? |
| 21:49.03 | stew | !tell yonkeltron about selftell |
| 21:49.27 | Drake_ | I dont know what I have :( |
| 21:49.35 | Drake_ | fasta I am a total newb |
| 21:49.52 | stew | (the lxde livecd would ceratinly have iwlist) |
| 21:50.10 | fasta | Drake_: hint: to answer the question you run iwlist RET |
| 21:50.22 | fasta | Drake_: RET stands for press return button. |
| 21:50.23 | Drake_ | I know |
| 21:50.29 | khem_ | stew: wouldnt mind =) just wont it to take less time than creating a new 400gb .img =) blank out the entire img will be dd if=/dev/zero of=thefile right? |
| 21:50.32 | yonkeltron | stew: yeah, thanks. it didn't work. dunno why, but it didn't. |
| 21:50.33 | Drake_ | it said invalid command |
| 21:50.49 | khem_ | or no cat /dev/zero > thefile maybe? |
| 21:50.59 | fasta | Drake_: that means you don't have it, so I would suggest you install a bunch of packages. |
| 21:51.09 | fasta | Drake_: maybe the best thing is to just download Ubuntu ;) |
| 21:51.11 | stew | khem_: no, since you don't tell it how many bytes to write, it will keep writing until it hits an error when you've filled your entire drive |
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| 21:51.22 | Drake_ | fasta,lol |
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| 21:51.24 | fasta | Drake_: Ubuntu used to stink, but it doesn't in the current release. |
| 21:51.26 | Drake_ | fasta ubuntu is slow |
| 21:51.38 | Drake_ | its nice on a fast machine |
| 21:51.39 | fasta | Ubuntu and Debian are basically the same thing. |
| 21:51.57 | fasta | I wonder how many people I offend with that ;) |
| 21:52.03 | Drake_ | haha |
| 21:52.03 | stew | fasta: he wants to run someting less than full blown gnome because he is on a 400mhz p2 |
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| 21:52.10 | Drake_ | I heard debian was more stable..is this true |
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| 21:52.14 | fasta | stew: ah, ok. |
| 21:52.25 | stew | fasta: he's on a laptop from 1998 |
| 21:52.30 | fasta | Drake_: ok, forget the Ubuntu suggestion. |
| 21:52.36 | Drake_ | :) |
| 21:53.06 | fasta | Drake_: I think you should simply Google around a bit and make sure that your card is actually supported, as it could be so old that nobody cared to make it work. |
| 21:53.12 | spacepluk | I switched to debian from ubuntu |
| 21:53.23 | fasta | Drake_: OTOH, mostly the old stuff just works. |
| 21:53.25 | stew | fasta: we have looked, its supported |
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| 21:53.34 | stew | and its not an old card |
| 21:53.38 | fasta | stew: so, it's just that he needs hand holding? |
| 21:53.43 | stew | i don't know |
| 21:54.10 | stew | fasta: well, yes we know he needs handholding, we don't know if that's all he needs for working wireless |
| 21:54.19 | fasta | Drake_: just connect to the wired Internet to bootstrap your wireless network. |
| 21:54.22 | stew | fasta: "/msg judd pciid 10ec:8185" appears to be his card |
| 21:54.30 | fasta | Drake_: so, get iwlist first. |
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| 21:55.03 | fasta | Drake_: you can use the package search on the Debian website to figure out in which package it is. A good exercise. |
| 21:55.17 | Drake_ | fasta this is a new card |
| 21:55.20 | Drake_ | 07 |
| 21:55.26 | Drake_ | wireless pcima |
| 21:55.51 | fasta | Drake_: yes, stew just told me. I only know about the hardware that's important for me and the principles of the rest, like everyone else. |
| 21:56.15 | fasta | Drake_: do you understand what to do next? |
| 21:56.52 | Drake_ | fasta, so I plug in the wired connection.. |
| 21:57.06 | Drake_ | and then download the correct package for the wireless card? |
| 21:57.52 | fasta | For all the people who believe in an alien coverup, btw, it seems quite unlikely that something like that actually exists, if NASA already practically ejaculates over substitution of one element for another :D |
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| 21:58.12 | fasta | Drake_: you should not think in those terms. |
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| 21:58.42 | Drake_ | fasta.. too windowsish??lol |
| 21:58.58 | khem_ | stew: are you speaking of the dd or cat command now? |
| 21:59.05 | skurt | Is there a safe way to install a package on unupdated server in version which is not yet in repository? |
| 21:59.08 | skurt | Candidate version is: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny4 |
| 21:59.10 | skurt | but available is: 8:6.6.0.4-3 |
| 21:59.33 | fasta | Drake_: think about what's happening. You have a piece of metal, which can receive and send signals. You have a thing which translates that into a digital signal. This then needs to be translated again. This is basically what your driver does. |
| 21:59.40 | stew | khem_: dd, there is no way with cat, it cat will keep going until there is no space left |
| 21:59.55 | fasta | Drake_: the driver tells the OS "hey, I am a wireless driver". |
| 22:00.04 | stew | khem_: with dd you need the bs/count options to limit the size. for 400m you might use "bs=1M count=400" |
| 22:00.18 | Drake_ | fasta: your a intelligent man |
| 22:00.26 | stew | you're* |
| 22:00.27 | Drake_ | fasta: I can tell :D |
| 22:00.47 | fasta | Drake_: an application can then tell the wireless driver API "hey, you know what, I want to connect to this and that base station. " |
| 22:00.51 | stew | khem_: if you want to see if perhaps just erasing the beginning is enough, make it "count=1" perhaps |
| 22:00.59 | fasta | Drake_: so, you need all those parts. |
| 22:01.11 | fasta | Drake_: the driver is already included in the installation. |
| 22:01.19 | fasta | Drake_: but that doesn't mean it's _loaded_. |
| 22:01.48 | Drake_ | fasta ok |
| 22:01.50 | fasta | Drake_: so, to figure out a base line, we need to know whether the most basic application can see a wireless accesspoint. |
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| 22:01.58 | fasta | Drake_: which is the point of iwlist. |
| 22:02.06 | fasta | Drake_: so, just get that application. |
| 22:02.07 | Drake_ | fasta ok |
| 22:02.21 | Drake_ | , well it must be installed for this right? |
| 22:02.27 | khem_ | stew: thanks alot |
| 22:02.31 | Drake_ | debian that is |
| 22:02.42 | fasta | Drake_: only because there is not enough information for me to decide what to do further. |
| 22:02.50 | fasta | Drake_: I am sure there are people who might not need it. |
| 22:03.08 | fasta | E.g. someone who has written a wireless driver probably has another way to do it. |
| 22:03.35 | Drake_ | fasta: But the operating system should be installed on the hd right? |
| 22:03.40 | Drake_ | before anything |
| 22:03.48 | fasta | Drake_: that depends on your exact goals. |
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| 22:03.54 | fasta | Drake_: but probably yes. |
| 22:04.29 | fasta | Drake_: if you are sure that you want to install Debian without knowing in advance whether the wireless will work, then yes. |
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| 22:04.52 | Drake_ | sure, I dont care |
| 22:05.01 | fasta | Drake_: so, then the answer is yes. |
| 22:05.04 | Drake_ | yes fasta |
| 22:05.37 | fasta | Drake_: it might be easier to start learning Linux on a beefed up machine these days. If the response is faster, it feels more solid, I suppose. |
| 22:05.37 | Drake_ | fasta if it doesn't I will just delete it and put ubuntu :( |
| 22:05.53 | fasta | Drake_: How much memory do you have? |
| 22:06.16 | Drake_ | Im thinking of putting it on a newer laptop I have |
| 22:06.19 | Drake_ | IBM |
| 22:06.24 | Drake_ | about 4gb |
| 22:06.28 | Drake_ | 40gb |
| 22:06.33 | Drake_ | 1.6 |
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| 22:06.52 | fasta | Drake_: Linux on a Thinkpad is well supported. |
| 22:07.06 | Drake_ | I know |
| 22:07.14 | Drake_ | so its strange.. |
| 22:07.23 | fasta | There is nothing strange. |
| 22:07.33 | Drake_ | fasta becuse with this one... it has the built in wireless |
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| 22:07.45 | Drake_ | that picked up with ubuntu and fedora |
| 22:08.28 | fasta | Drake_: what makes you think that Debian doesn't pick it up; Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu, it's all made in kernel.org (cf. made in China). |
| 22:08.55 | Drake_ | fasta I mean those os's instantly worked |
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| 22:09.02 | Drake_ | when I booted them |
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| 22:09.36 | fasta | Drake_: and Debian does so too, probably. It's just that xfce might not be very well supported in combination with wireless. |
| 22:09.55 | Drake_ | fasta yes... this was my initial thought |
| 22:10.11 | fasta | Drake_: xfce is sort of for experienced users. |
| 22:10.36 | khem_ | [root@paris vm]# dd if=/dev/zero of=/vm01/vm-www01.img bs=1M count=1 |
| 22:10.45 | fasta | Drake_: that means the kind of people that know how to do a very large part of what a GUI application does behind the scenes. |
| 22:10.48 | Drake_ | fasta... well the purpose was I was looking for something real fast |
| 22:10.51 | khem_ | has been ticking for like minutes now and I am unable to kill the process |
| 22:10.55 | khem_ | or run ctrl-c or ctrl-z |
| 22:11.14 | Drake_ | fasta fast as in speed |
| 22:11.16 | fasta | Drake_: OSs are not fast or slow if you are comparing between Ubuntu/Fedora/etc. |
| 22:11.38 | fasta | Drake_: it's the applications that are running which determine the difference. |
| 22:11.49 | Drake_ | fasta yes... but as in default |
| 22:11.58 | fasta | Drake_: and most importantly, the amount of memory. |
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| 22:12.09 | fasta | 400Mhz is fast enough for a lot of tasks. |
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| 22:12.27 | fasta | But 128MB of memory is not. |
| 22:12.30 | Drake_ | fasta well we can keep that out now since I can install it on the other one |
| 22:12.34 | Drake_ | which is a 1.6 |
| 22:12.35 | fasta | You didn't say how much memory you have. |
| 22:12.42 | Drake_ | ohh |
| 22:13.09 | fasta | I used Linux with 128MB, but it was just annoying. |
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| 22:13.15 | fasta | "Windows is faster". |
| 22:13.24 | fasta | I can still hear me think it. |
| 22:13.34 | fasta | They are different systems. |
| 22:14.01 | fasta | In theory there is no reason for Linux needing more hardware, btw. |
| 22:14.28 | fasta | It's just that the software is not as good such that it gets rid of all the abstraction layers. |
| 22:15.04 | fasta | In Windows those abstraction layers were simply not present or at least not in different processes. |
| 22:15.12 | catsup | na |
| 22:15.29 | catsup | it was X soaking up all the memory |
| 22:15.40 | fasta | catsup: right. |
| 22:15.46 | spacepluk | who needs x anyway |
| 22:15.52 | fasta | catsup: which is "Linux" for new users. |
| 22:16.28 | fasta | catsup: it isn't, but "the system as a whole" is slow and they are surely "running Linux". |
| 22:16.52 | fasta | Drake_: so, how much memory do you have? |
| 22:16.57 | catsup | well, X needs a certain amount of memory, which systems at that time didn't have |
| 22:17.02 | fasta | Drake_: ??MB. Fill in the ??. |
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| 22:17.17 | Drake_ | srry fasta.. I was doing something |
| 22:17.21 | catsup | windows didn't (and maybe still doesn't) require so much memory just for the graphics system |
| 22:17.23 | Drake_ | it has 40gb |
| 22:17.23 | fasta | catsup: it's the Lisp machine problem, basically. |
| 22:17.28 | Drake_ | and 512 ram |
| 22:17.32 | Drake_ | at least |
| 22:17.37 | fasta | Drake_: 512MB is enough. |
| 22:17.45 | Drake_ | ok |
| 22:17.46 | fasta | Drake_: I think you can run Ubuntu just fine. |
| 22:18.10 | fasta | Drake_: you might not want to use it to browse the Internet though. That's just annoying on a machine like that. |
| 22:18.11 | Drake_ | fasta.. ubuntu was not that fast |
| 22:18.35 | Drake_ | I would have even tried dsl if it had wireless support |
| 22:18.41 | fasta | Drake_: a p2 400Mhz is not that fast. |
| 22:18.53 | Drake_ | fasta.. I mean the 1.6 |
| 22:18.57 | spacepluk | Drake_: I missed your problem |
| 22:18.58 | Drake_ | I wont use the p2 |
| 22:19.10 | fasta | Drake_: the 1.6 is fast enough for Ubuntu. |
| 22:19.26 | fasta | Drake_: but I am also sure that Debian _also_ works. |
| 22:19.41 | fasta | Some people even switch from Ubuntu back to Debian. |
| 22:19.51 | Drake_ | spacepluk: nothing we are just figuring out what to put on a laptop :) |
| 22:20.02 | fasta | Simply because Ubuntu likes to drop new bugs (er features) on people. |
| 22:20.11 | Drake_ | fasta word has it that debian is more stable than ubuntu |
| 22:20.25 | fasta | Drake_: that's what I just said. |
| 22:20.35 | Drake_ | so its true |
| 22:20.38 | fasta | Drake_: Ubuntu does no measurable QA. |
| 22:20.40 | spacepluk | I like it better :P |
| 22:20.53 | fasta | Drake_: the last release was good. |
| 22:21.00 | fasta | The two before that were bad. |
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| 22:21.06 | Drake_ | ubuntu? |
| 22:21.16 | fasta | The 8.10 release was also pretty good. |
| 22:21.27 | spacepluk | is not that bad stabilty wise, what I dislike was the whole update every 6 months thing |
| 22:21.40 | fasta | Drake_: for me it doesn't matter which Linux I take; I know they all work. |
| 22:21.40 | Drake_ | how often is it for debian |
| 22:21.58 | spacepluk | it depends more on your setup |
| 22:22.02 | fasta | Drake_: if you want real stability install OpenBSD. |
| 22:22.13 | bluegene | is there something like "hot swap" for booting a newer kernel? or do i really need to do a complete reboot |
| 22:22.20 | spacepluk | you can do apt-pinning without pulling the whole unstable version in debian |
| 22:22.25 | spacepluk | in ubuntu is harder |
| 22:22.30 | fasta | Drake_: but don't complain about old packages. |
| 22:22.31 | Drake_ | fasta.. you have experience with that? |
| 22:22.40 | spacepluk | bluegene: reboot I'm afraid |
| 22:22.45 | bluegene | spacepluk: okay. thanks! |
| 22:22.48 | spacepluk | unles you use a vm :) |
| 22:22.51 | fasta | Drake_: no, but I ran a different BSD and I saw a presentation on OpenBSD. |
| 22:22.51 | Drake_ | openbsd |
| 22:23.14 | bluegene | spacepluk: hehe, nope ;) |
| 22:23.14 | Drake_ | which bsd |
| 22:23.14 | Drake_ | pcbsd? |
| 22:23.14 | fasta | Drake_: FreeBSD. |
| 22:23.17 | Drake_ | freebsd...ah |
| 22:23.28 | Drake_ | its a solid os thats all I know |
| 22:23.38 | Drake_ | but the support is rude supposidly lol |
| 22:23.39 | fasta | Really, am operating system is not a sexy thing anymore these days. |
| 22:23.42 | fasta | an* |
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| 22:23.50 | CissWit | bluegene: you might want to have a look at ksplice |
| 22:23.53 | fasta | They all work. Even Windows. |
| 22:24.09 | Drake_ | windows is not good for the internet |
| 22:24.17 | Drake_ | for other things it has the edge |
| 22:24.20 | Drake_ | a big edge |
| 22:24.32 | fasta | Drake_: where do you get that? |
| 22:24.38 | Drake_ | experience |
| 22:24.49 | fasta | Drake_: I would say it is bias. |
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| 22:25.01 | Drake_ | Really I am not bias |
| 22:25.12 | Drake_ | I still use windows.. but I have had a lot of problems with it |
| 22:25.17 | fasta | Drake_: yes, you are. So, am I. Without bias you cannot live. |
| 22:25.18 | spacepluk | I'm so used to gnu/linux that windows is just useless for me |
| 22:25.28 | spacepluk | I guess it depends on your needs |
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| 22:25.52 | pickcoder | saying that are you are or aren't biased means that you are biased about how biased you are |
| 22:25.54 | afuentes | fasta> Drake_: the last release was good. <-- 10.10 has been one of the crapiest releases so far. It broke so many things... |
| 22:25.55 | Drake_ | yes it depends on your needs |
| 22:26.07 | Drake_ | afuentes: ohh heck ya |
| 22:26.08 | spacepluk | pickcoder: touché ^_^ |
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| 22:26.15 | fasta | pickcoder: correct. |
| 22:26.21 | Drake_ | I installed it on my other box and it was garbage |
| 22:26.26 | Drake_ | sooo slow |
| 22:26.29 | Drake_ | on the internet |
| 22:26.35 | spacepluk | but it's cute |
| 22:26.40 | spacepluk | kindof |
| 22:26.41 | Drake_ | but then I put in the 9 series and it was ok |
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| 22:26.52 | spacepluk | I like my awesome better :P |
| 22:27.08 | fasta | Drake_: 9 series> |
| 22:27.12 | fasta | Drake_: ? |
| 22:27.13 | Drake_ | ubuntu |
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| 22:28.02 | Drake_ | If I had the knowledge you guys did I would have probably used slackware.. |
| 22:28.05 | fasta | Drake_: well, you can run the 9 series if you want of course. |
| 22:28.11 | Drake_ | I dont like the faciness in os's these days |
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| 22:28.29 | fasta | Drake_: Debian is pretty practical, because you don't have to compile everything. |
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| 22:28.43 | CissWit | bluegene: have a look at ksplice :) |
| 22:28.43 | Drake_ | fasta yes |
| 22:28.54 | Drake_ | fasta.. but how often would you need to update with debian |
| 22:29.05 | slidesinger-lt | Which log file records all the boot messages? |
| 22:29.07 | fasta | Drake_: Compiling code and fixing it when it doesn't work gets old really fast. |
| 22:29.12 | bluegene | CissWit: too late :> |
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| 22:29.15 | bluegene | CissWit: but thank you! |
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| 22:29.28 | CissWit | bluegene: i've never used it yet, but i had some nice feekbacks about this. |
| 22:29.41 | bluegene | CissWit: cool! |
| 22:29.47 | fasta | Drake_: I maintain the machine of some remote people (because I don't support Windows anymore) and I do that as little as possible. |
| 22:29.58 | slidesinger-lt | (Looked in dmesg, but it is lacking the bit about the sysfs warning I read, wondering where else to look) |
| 22:30.10 | CissWit | except about the "non-free for server base distro" part anyway |
| 22:30.11 | fasta | Drake_: You see. I am not a system administrator. |
| 22:30.26 | fasta | Drake_: I just happen to know what the system is doing. |
| 22:31.07 | fasta | The worst part about Debian is probably its pinning mechanism. |
| 22:31.09 | spacepluk | CissWit: I wonder how they do that |
| 22:31.16 | fasta | Or rather apt. |
| 22:31.18 | Drake_ | fasta: what is pinning |
| 22:31.38 | fasta | Drake_: it's a feature you use to say that you don't want that certain packags get upgraded. |
| 22:31.46 | fasta | packages* |
| 22:31.54 | Drake_ | ohh ok |
| 22:31.59 | fasta | Drake_: it uses a crazy numerical scheme. |
| 22:32.01 | spacepluk | fasta: I like pinning :P |
| 22:32.09 | Drake_ | well fasta its not so often though right? |
| 22:32.14 | fasta | It has been invented by a programmer who forgot the UI. |
| 22:32.18 | Drake_ | wasn't it like 1 or 2 years |
| 22:32.35 | CissWit | spacepluk: i think it makes a module with the updated function of the kernel. When the module is loaded, the functions are hooked. |
| 22:32.38 | fasta | Drake_: you can leave it running for years behind a router with no issues. |
| 22:32.47 | fasta | Drake_: but you might catch a virus. |
| 22:33.02 | fasta | Drake_: in theory computer systems are extremely insecure. |
| 22:33.04 | Drake_ | its rare though |
| 22:33.09 | Drake_ | right? |
| 22:33.13 | fasta | Drake_: in practice it appears to almost never happen. |
| 22:33.36 | fasta | Drake_: on Linux that is, on Windows it does happen regularly. |
| 22:33.50 | Drake_ | windows is like the amazon forrest |
| 22:34.08 | spacepluk | CissWit: sounds like asking for trouble :P |
| 22:34.11 | fasta | It's more that a large part of the population downloads screensavers from weird places. |
| 22:34.25 | Drake_ | fasta.. yes |
| 22:34.26 | fasta | They visit webpages with images embedded by third parties. |
| 22:34.32 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:34.38 | Drake_ | yup |
| 22:34.39 | fasta | One bug in the image library and you are gone. |
| 22:34.48 | Drake_ | absolutly |
| 22:34.48 | fasta | Yes, anyway, good luck Drake_. |
| 22:35.00 | Drake_ | fasta.. lol |
| 22:35.03 | Drake_ | your going? |
| 22:35.16 | HackeMate | hi, how to change the home? it's all in one partition |
| 22:35.24 | fasta | Drake_: well, we are not making progress. Installing Ubuntu takes shorter. |
| 22:35.30 | HackeMate | i want to move the home to a different hard disk |
| 22:35.46 | Drake_ | fasta.. or I could just install the main debian |
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| 22:35.54 | Drake_ | the full one that everyone has |
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| 22:36.10 | fasta | Drake_: or you could just install iwlist like I told you ;) |
| 22:36.18 | afuentes | HackeMate, mv the content to another partition, then create the new partition and mount it on /home, then mv the content back to /home |
| 22:36.19 | lenswipe | can someone point me to a good web application firewall for PHP? |
| 22:36.44 | HackeMate | oh, ok thanks |
| 22:36.46 | Drake_ | fasta... if you said that this version of debian is for experienced users then I would say forget it |
| 22:36.54 | spacepluk | HackeMate: you can even skip the last step :) |
| 22:37.04 | Drake_ | I will stick in the main debian |
| 22:37.06 | afuentes | ^^ |
| 22:37.14 | lenswipe | can someone point me to a good web application firewall for PHP? |
| 22:37.15 | Drake_ | unless its slower than ubuntu by default |
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| 22:37.27 | fasta | Drake_: I think for you Ubuntu might really be better. |
| 22:37.29 | slidesinger-lt | Found it in a year old bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561229 However, I just had this show up in the last upgrade I did (four days ago) |
| 22:37.31 | slidesinger-lt | The message is: udevd[10829]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/<filename> Is this an unresolved bug? I saw that it had been archived. |
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| 22:37.36 | fasta | Drake_: it's like Debian with trainingwheels ;) |
| 22:37.55 | Drake_ | but fasta the updates and stuff |
| 22:38.01 | Drake_ | its too much right? |
| 22:38.04 | Drake_ | too soomn |
| 22:38.15 | fasta | Drake_: They also have LTS releases. |
| 22:38.25 | fasta | Drake_: those are supported for years. |
| 22:38.45 | fasta | Drake_: really, it doesn't matter. |
| 22:38.56 | Drake_ | what about puppylinux |
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| 22:39.02 | Drake_ | would that be faster |
| 22:39.05 | Drake_ | than ubuntu |
| 22:39.19 | fasta | Drake_: I already told you that it's about the applications. |
| 22:39.27 | fasta | Drake_: are you sure you are not some kind of troll? |
| 22:39.40 | Drake_ | troll... no |
| 22:39.42 | spacepluk | they all will be pretty much the same, unless you use a differnt desktop |
| 22:39.52 | fasta | Drake_: ok, then understand the following. |
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| 22:39.54 | Drake_ | space Is ee |
| 22:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Pretty much everything is going to run about the same speed when doing the same tasks. |
| 22:40.10 | themill | is still trying to work out how this is related to #debian |
| 22:40.13 | Drake_ | jhutchins_lt: no matter what os you use? |
| 22:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Some distros default to turning on things which can slow older systems down. |
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| 22:40.26 | fasta | themill: it isn't. My bad. |
| 22:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Given that they're all linux, yes. |
| 22:40.57 | Drake_ | so your saying that dsl and fedora would run the same if its on the same desktop? |
| 22:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Windows is going to feel slower on a lot of machines these days, though it may benchmark the same or better than linux. |
| 22:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Speed wise, yes. |
| 22:41.27 | Drake_ | wow, didn't know that |
| 22:41.34 | Drake_ | it seemed way way faster |
| 22:41.38 | Drake_ | dsl that is |
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| 22:41.54 | fasta | Drake_: apples and oranges. |
| 22:42.16 | fasta | Drake_: there probably is something more general about Fedora than dsl. |
| 22:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | Drake_: Certainly Fedora, SuSE, and Debian are goiing to run about the same. |
| 22:42.41 | CissWit | Hi. What is the best way to know the total amount of ram ? With a 32bits kernel without bigmem i wonder if free will display the whole amount. |
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| 22:42.51 | Drake_ | jhutchins_lt: I see |
| 22:42.55 | spacepluk | CissWit: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 22:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | CissWit: Probably lshw |
| 22:43.33 | fasta | spacepluk: doesn't free list in the total column the total amount of physical memory? |
| 22:44.14 | fasta | spacepluk: yes, it does. |
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| 22:44.22 | fasta | man free |
| 22:44.23 | spacepluk | fasta: I got used to look in /proc/meminfo :P |
| 22:44.29 | lenswipe | can someone point me to a good web application firewall for PHP? |
| 22:44.46 | Drake_ | so in theory why do people choose debian if ubuntu is vertually the same |
| 22:44.52 | fasta | lenswipe: there is so much wrong with that question. |
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| 22:44.58 | lenswipe | fasta, really? |
| 22:44.59 | Drake_ | sorry the opposite I mean,lol |
| 22:45.03 | lenswipe | fasta, such as? |
| 22:45.12 | afuentes | recently I bought a 1G of ram to add to my 1Gb of ram. But I only see 1795 M. Is this normal or the ram is broken? I have another machine with 2 Gb of ram that display 2024 when I type free |
| 22:45.13 | fasta | lenswipe: you don't need a firewall if you know what you are doing in PHP. |
| 22:45.25 | fasta | lenswipe: except, nobody knows that. |
| 22:45.35 | fasta | lenswipe: PHP is a mistake and full of security issues. |
| 22:45.46 | lenswipe | fasta, and you instead reccommend? |
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| 22:46.00 | bluj | afuentes: sounds like your onboard graphics is stealing some |
| 22:46.04 | fasta | Find the PHP trackrecord and get convinced of this yourself. |
| 22:46.18 | fasta | lenswipe: I could say something, but you would reject it. |
| 22:46.27 | spacepluk | Drake_: I choose debian because it's defaults match my needs better |
| 22:46.31 | afuentes | bluj how can I watch that? |
| 22:46.33 | peterrooney | fasta: doesn't mean I'll reject it |
| 22:46.39 | lenswipe | fasta, im asking what you reccomend instaed of PHP, not why you think PHP is shit |
| 22:46.51 | peterrooney | afuentes: it's usually managed in BIOS |
| 22:46.54 | fasta | lenswipe: it also depends on the project. |
| 22:47.03 | bluj | afuentes: can you watch it? uhh.. i'm not too sure how you would in linux. but you can probably see it in POST when your comp boots up or in your bios options somewhere |
| 22:47.07 | lenswipe | fasta, um, for web applications? |
| 22:47.12 | lenswipe | fasta, given that im using PHP |
| 22:47.24 | afuentes | I would love the onboard graphics to take as much ram as it needs :) |
| 22:47.28 | Drake_ | ok sapcepluk what about in looks wise |
| 22:47.28 | afuentes | ill check the bios later |
| 22:47.39 | Drake_ | spacepluk: is debian less attractive |
| 22:47.46 | lenswipe | fasta, ..? |
| 22:47.47 | spacepluk | Drake_: I don't care :P |
| 22:47.58 | bluj | afuentes: meh.. benefits arent worth it imo.. you stil lhave onboard graphics which sucks almost anyway you look at it |
| 22:48.05 | Drake_ | spacepluk: just to clarify.. I like unatractiveness |
| 22:48.09 | Drake_ | :) |
| 22:48.14 | fasta | lenswipe: for example for a super secure military website, I would use the Ynot library. |
| 22:48.15 | spacepluk | Drake_: looks is the first thing I change anyway no matter which distro |
| 22:48.35 | Drake_ | there are a good amount of themes for debianr ight |
| 22:48.36 | lenswipe | fasta, but im not asking about libraries, im asking about languages |
| 22:48.39 | fasta | lenswipe: for the next Ebay, I would use Haskell for the first version. |
| 22:48.52 | lenswipe | right... |
| 22:48.52 | fasta | lenswipe: I can write everything from scratch if needed. |
| 22:48.53 | spacepluk | Drake_: you mean for gnome? |
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| 22:49.09 | lenswipe | fasta, how about for a simple social application? |
| 22:49.24 | fasta | lenswipe: the Ynot library implies the Coq language, btw. |
| 22:49.24 | Drake_ | yes my friend |
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| 22:49.35 | Drake_ | you know... some ppl make it look like xp |
| 22:49.39 | Drake_ | or vista |
| 22:49.41 | spacepluk | lenswipe: I like both python and ruby better than php |
| 22:49.58 | fasta | lenswipe: that depends on again a million things. |
| 22:49.58 | lenswipe | spacepluk, i was thinking of learning ruby |
| 22:50.12 | fasta | lenswipe: if you want to do Facebook scale things, I would probably use C++. |
| 22:50.17 | lenswipe | fasta, right, how good is Coq for web applications.....wait wtf? |
| 22:50.24 | lenswipe | fasta, you would write a web application in C++? |
| 22:50.29 | fasta | lenswipe: but only because they have certain good libraries. |
| 22:50.29 | lenswipe | fasta, what the f*** |
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| 22:50.43 | lenswipe | fasta, i think youll find that facebook is PHP by the way |
| 22:50.47 | spacepluk | lenswipe: I don't think it's very wise to write everything in c++ |
| 22:50.52 | fasta | lenswipe: the front-end might be written in something else. |
| 22:50.54 | lenswipe | spacepup, i agree |
| 22:51.01 | lenswipe | fasta, the front end is PHP |
| 22:51.11 | lenswipe | fasta, do your homework and quit trolling :p |
| 22:51.28 | fasta | lenswipe: I have more trust in Ruby than in PHP if you want a more popular choice. |
| 22:51.38 | fasta | lenswipe: but I think both are a mistake. |
| 22:51.42 | lenswipe | right |
| 22:51.47 | lenswipe | fasta, so back to my original question... |
| 22:52.01 | lenswipe | if you were writing a WEB application what language would you use |
| 22:52.01 | spacepluk | fasta: lol, that's funny :P |
| 22:52.06 | lenswipe | fasta, and C++ is not a web language |
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| 22:52.20 | lenswipe | fasta, neither i belive is haskell, but i could be wrong about that |
| 22:52.22 | pickcoder | lenswipe: neither is PHP.. it's a scripting language |
| 22:52.26 | fasta | lenswipe: I would probably use Haskell. |
| 22:52.29 | pickcoder | that has an Apache module |
| 22:52.44 | spacepluk | lenswipe: think about the libraries you'll need and look around |
| 22:52.45 | afuentes | Drake_, ubuntu is way more noob friendly. Programs are the same, but defaults arent. If you are starting go ubuntu. I had no idea about linux and started with ubuntu 2 years ago. I swiched to debian after that because I feel confident now to costumize the system to meet my needs |
| 22:52.47 | lenswipe | pickcoder, indeed, which i dont belive C++ does |
| 22:52.50 | spacepluk | lenswipe: python has more libraries than ruby |
| 22:52.52 | pickcoder | many people use ruby and PHP as CLI environments |
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| 22:53.01 | spacepluk | lenswipe: I like ruby language better YMMV |
| 22:53.03 | fasta | lenswipe: you can write websites in every language. |
| 22:53.09 | pickcoder | lenswipe: wth, you write your app to integrate with the APR |
| 22:53.12 | lenswipe | spacepluk, im not asking for a real reason other than curiosity on fasta's reasons for disliking PHP |
| 22:53.19 | pickcoder | it's far more lean than a bloated PHP solution |
| 22:53.22 | fasta | lenswipe: or rather you can use any language to generate the HTML and JavaScript to do so. |
| 22:53.41 | lenswipe | fasta, im sure you can, but writing your own web server or apache module just to serve up HTML and JS seems a little masochistic |
| 22:53.43 | pickcoder | if you want easy of coding and deployment go fat and use PHP |
| 22:53.49 | lenswipe | fasta, ...not to mention a complete waste of time |
| 22:53.59 | spacepluk | ^_^ |
| 22:53.59 | fasta | lenswipe: that's because you think it is a hard task. |
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| 22:54.01 | pickcoder | reegardless this isn't #webdev |
| 22:54.14 | lenswipe | fasta, no, i think its a pointless task - notice that nobody else has done it |
| 22:54.15 | fasta | lenswipe: if all the libraries are already there, it is not. |
| 22:54.18 | spacepluk | fasta: It IS a hard task |
| 22:54.30 | fasta | lenswipe: lots of people have done so already. |
| 22:54.43 | fasta | lenswipe: you just don't see it. |
| 22:54.47 | spacepluk | uh? |
| 22:54.50 | fasta | spacepluk: from scratch, yes. |
| 22:55.12 | fasta | spacepluk: and I wouldn't say it is hard, merely a lot of work, which is different. |
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| 22:55.44 | spacepluk | now we are completely offtopic |
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| 22:56.07 | lenswipe | fasta, let me rephrase the question, someone asks you to create a web application, you have many choices:- Java, PHP, Pyton, Ruby(on and off rails) and possibly more ive forgotten about, but you think: "No, ill sit and write my own webserver and only then will i concider actually doing the task i was asked to do" |
| 22:56.13 | lenswipe | fasta, it just seems a little pointless... |
| 22:56.25 | cybor0 | in linux we have help info apropos man -k, is there any way to search for howto for example from LDP |
| 22:56.31 | pickcoder | actually writes web apps in Pick |
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| 22:56.45 | fasta | lenswipe: that's not what I said. |
| 22:57.01 | lenswipe | fasta, justify writing a web application in C++ |
| 22:57.15 | fasta | lenswipe: I said face book size. |
| 22:57.21 | fasta | lenswipe: guess what facebook does? |
| 22:57.28 | fasta | lenswipe: they write parts in C++. |
| 22:57.30 | lenswipe | fasta, i think youll find that facebook is PHP |
| 22:57.40 | fasta | lenswipe: I think you will find that you are clueless. |
| 22:57.46 | fasta | lenswipe: the front-end is in PHP. |
| 22:57.53 | spacepluk | most people don't need to scale like that, it's poinless complexity |
| 22:57.57 | fasta | lenswipe: and they even think that's too slow. |
| 22:58.17 | fasta | spacepluk: that's why all applications are slow. |
| 22:58.23 | fasta | spacepluk: "we don't need this". |
| 22:58.23 | lenswipe | fasta, http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&expIds=25657,27026,27031,27033,27040,27753,27762&xhr=t&q=what+language+is+facebook+written+in&cp=19&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=b3b0150af0ff6fbc |
| 22:58.38 | fasta | spacepluk: "why is our application so slow?" |
| 22:58.46 | lenswipe | fasta, do your own research next time |
| 22:58.49 | lenswipe | fasta, goodbye :) |
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| 22:58.53 | fasta | lenswipe: you are hilarious. |
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| 22:59.10 | fasta | This is really sad, as I am right and he still believes he is. |
| 22:59.10 | spacepluk | you can do efficient code without c++, do you know that? :P |
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| 22:59.26 | fasta | Facebook also uses Erlang for the interested audience. |
| 23:00.28 | fasta | spacepluk: in what language would you write your most efficient code? |
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| 23:00.55 | afuentes | asm |
| 23:01.18 | afuentes | what are the point of group passwords? |
| 23:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, perhaps #debian-offtopic would be an appropriate forum. This is not. |
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| 23:02.02 | spacepluk | jhutchins_lt: you're right |
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| 23:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | afuentes: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialManagingGroups.html |
| 23:05.10 | siefca | I've noticed that my apache2-mpm-itk stopped working, it runs all vhosts as www-data and does not care about AssignUsedID |
| 23:05.31 | siefca | i only upgraded php5, has someone noticed such a strange behavior? |
| 23:05.57 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: What's your base release? |
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| 23:06.12 | afuentes | jhutchins_lt, i had open the same url, its the first google result, but i did not find there the usefulness (or the point) of group passwords |
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| 23:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | It's an additional layer of verification in case someone uses someone else's session. |
| 23:07.56 | siefca | jhutchins_lt squeeze/sid |
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| 23:09.15 | siefca | mpm-itk in version 2.2.16-4 |
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| 23:09.48 | siefca | mod-php5 in 5.3.3-4 |
| 23:10.18 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: That's the kind of thing that happens in testing sometimes. Mine's all lenny, so dunno what's up with it. |
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| 23:13.40 | zcat[1] | Trying to play some video files, apparently they're MPEG-TS format, video codec is AVC (h264?) and audio is mpeg 1 layer3 or mpeg1 layer 1. I think I've installed all the right things but I still can't get anything to play in vlc, mplayer, xine or totem... |
| 23:14.13 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/XUfPz1rh for details, http://zcat.geek.nz/files/zinwell-pvr.zip for samples |
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| 23:16.05 | siefca | jhutchins_lt ok, it may be false alert,php seems to use real uid instead of euid/suid |
| 23:16.16 | fossrox | hi Everyone :) |
| 23:16.19 | siefca | jhutchins_lt i mean repports |
| 23:16.26 | sedulous | I've got a PPPoE connection configured on my Debian system and it works fine, however it's not automatically reconnecting. How can I achieve that? Do I need a cronjob or is there a suitable option in either /etc/network/interface or /etc/ppp/peers/* |
| 23:16.31 | sedulous | s/$/?/ |
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| 23:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | sedulous: Are you using a networkmanger for it, or just static config? |
| 23:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | sedulous: What's causing it to drop? |
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| 23:18.09 | sedulous | jhutchins_lt: Just a static configuration. I'm starting it with "pon dsl-provider" right now. My provider disconnects me every 24 hours. |
| 23:18.38 | yoshio | sedulous, do you have "persist" in /etc/ppp/peers/YourScript |
| 23:18.40 | sedulous | no |
| 23:18.42 | sedulous | thanks |
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| 23:19.20 | sedulous | should've read the examples more thoroughly :P |
| 23:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | sedulous: Yeah "stupid, incompetent ISP" is the most common answer to that question. |
| 23:19.31 | sedulous | # Makes pppd "dial again" when the connection is lost. |
| 23:19.34 | sedulous | persist |
| 23:20.13 | sedulous | jhutchins_lt: it sucks but at least dialing back in is very fast, like 1-2 seconds |
| 23:20.30 | sedulous | i only notice a short lag as my connections go over a VPN anyway |
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| 23:20.56 | fossrox | Question: what is the best way restore ip tables up after restart on debian server? have found something like that: http://syslog.tv/2010/02/11/howto-iptables-on-debian-ubuntu/ (looks almost to easy), different solution here: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables and one guy http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_iptables_sarge (more complicated and rather non standard) |
| 23:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | I used to use diald when I had dial-up internet, if they care at all about persistent connections it can help keep them happy, and it's very fast. |
| 23:21.49 | jhutchins_lt | fossrox: Whatever works for you, mine are in a firewall script called from rc.local |
| 23:22.22 | fossrox | jhutchins_lt, yea, i read about that too |
| 23:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | fossrox: I also use shorewall - which is serious overkill, but makes it easy to quickly ban a problem IP. |
| 23:22.54 | fossrox | ok |
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| 23:30.42 | pickcoder | fossrox: you can use the iptables-save and iptables-restore options to save the entire table blob as a file |
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| 23:31.38 | roe | I don't think there is a better channel to ask in. I am having a bit of trouble with dhcp3-ldap server in squeeze. http://pastebin.com/jtL1tQc7 |
| 23:31.56 | roe | Everything looks right, but obviously it isn't |
| 23:32.42 | dondelelcaro | . |
| 23:33.18 | jhutchins_lt | @@@ |
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| 23:35.28 | Putman | Hey whatsup men |
| 23:35.47 | Putman | where can I download the single debian live iso image |
| 23:35.51 | Putman | by torrent |
| 23:36.00 | Putman | it says there are 28 cd's?? |
| 23:36.34 | skamikaze | what cpu you got? |
| 23:36.36 | tharkun | Putman: look for netinst. It will load a basic install and the rest will be on demand |
| 23:37.00 | Putman | tharkun...gnome is included? |
| 23:38.24 | Putman | look |
| 23:38.28 | Putman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 23:38.39 | kristian-aalborg | hi again |
| 23:38.39 | Putman | why are there so many |
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| 23:38.54 | fossrox | pickcoder, yes, i just wonder where to put restore because there is many options, pre-up in interfaces, if-pre-up.d , rc.local , etc. |
| 23:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Putman about install guide |
| 23:39.02 | kristian-aalborg | going to try with a squeeze netinst to see if my wifi is in kernel |
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| 23:39.28 | kristian-aalborg | is there a reason *not* to choose the "businesscard" version? |
| 23:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Which hardware again? |
| 23:39.41 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Yes, go with netinst instead. |
| 23:39.46 | kristian-aalborg | hi jhutchins |
| 23:40.06 | kristian-aalborg | rtl8180 pcmcia card |
| 23:40.21 | Putman | ralink? |
| 23:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: That's the one that's supposed to work with .27 or better (so .32) right? |
| 23:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: realtek |
| 23:40.49 | kristian-aalborg | hurm |
| 23:40.56 | Putman | ahh |
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| 23:41.27 | tharkun | Putman: the wm is part of the download on demand. netinst can "install" several wm |
| 23:41.48 | kristian-aalborg | I have 2.6.24-2-486 noe |
| 23:41.48 | kristian-aalborg | w |
| 23:41.49 | Putman | I cant find the page where to dpwnload the torrent |
| 23:42.04 | pickcoder | fossrox: I would put it in if-down.d |
| 23:42.08 | Putman | it |
| 23:42.18 | Putman | hold on |
| 23:42.22 | Putman | this? |
| 23:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: Did you check the install guide? |
| 23:42.24 | Putman | debian-507-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 23:42.36 | pickcoder | fossrox: you'll need to other one in if-up.d |
| 23:42.37 | Putman | jhutchins_lt: it didn't show |
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| 23:43.57 | pickcoder | fossrox: and I'm not mistaken the scripts are run numeric-alpha order |
| 23:44.19 | pickcoder | so make them have filenames respective to run order |
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| 23:45.07 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: You have a query/message from dpkg with the URL for the Install Guide which may answer other questions for you |
| 23:45.28 | Putman | thanks sir |
| 23:45.31 | Putman | jhutchins_lt: |
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| 23:46.32 | macrobat | i want to install grub1 on a new disk. i can't boot the old with the new disk in. i have / partitions on both mounted from a live cd. should i just chroot and grub-install? |
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| 23:48.00 | Putman | jhutchins_lt: where does it say to download the file |
| 23:48.02 | fossrox | pickcoder, jhutchins_lt, thanks very much for the hints :) |
| 23:48.11 | Putman | the livecd torrent |
| 23:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: Oh, live CD. Dunno. |
| 23:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | !live |
| 23:48.31 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/ |
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| 23:48.55 | Putman | jhutchins_lt: its still in beta?? |
| 23:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: Well, yeah, squeeze is still testing. |
| 23:50.26 | pickcoder | roe: I would assume that the eth0 IP is correct in the log and it is the same IP as the dns server in the config? |
| 23:50.44 | roe | yes |
| 23:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | Putman: The squeeze installer is beta too. |
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| 23:55.37 | kristian-aalborg | debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-netinst.iso <--- where can I see the md5sum for this? |
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| 23:55.57 | arcsky | how much space takes ubuntu server 10.10 after an installation? |
| 23:56.09 | arcsky | ups worng chan |
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| 23:56.14 | kristian-aalborg | lol |
| 23:56.37 | arcsky | kristian-aalborg: dont slap me |
| 23:56.47 | kristian-aalborg | no worries :) |
| 23:57.48 | acemi | kristian-aalborg: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:58.48 | kristian-aalborg | thanks, acemi |
| 23:59.39 | acemi | there is a md5sum list file in the iso too |