| 00:00.02 | daemonkeeper | Except /root and /tmp, yes. |
| 00:00.13 | Jckf | Interesting |
| 00:00.51 | daemonkeeper | Why? It shouldn't be new to you, that non privileged users have no write permissions on / |
| 00:01.17 | Jckf | No. I just thought it would be more specific for each directory |
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| 00:01.52 | daemonkeeper | Those permissions aren't like that for the entire file system, this is not recursive of course |
| 00:02.41 | Jckf | Aha. Let me rephrase |
| 00:02.51 | Jckf | What are the default permissions for erverything in / ? |
| 00:02.56 | Jckf | *everything |
| 00:02.59 | Jckf | Non-recursive |
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| 00:03.11 | daemonkeeper | Same again, on the next level things may change. |
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| 00:03.55 | Jckf | What about /root and /tmp? |
| 00:04.32 | daemonkeeper | /tmp is writable to everyone, and root accessible by root only. |
| 00:04.45 | Jckf | Of course. Thanks |
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| 00:05.26 | bittervoltage | Hello all :) |
| 00:06.38 | bittervoltage | I have spent most of my day searching for something so simple but I just can't find a solution. |
| 00:07.59 | bittervoltage | booting a ubuntu 9.10 install to command line but after 10 mins the monitor shuts off. Checked the BIOS and it's an archaic propriatary HP 4 option BIOS, nothing there about power saving at all |
| 00:08.19 | themill | bittervoltage: you want to stick to #ubuntu for that question |
| 00:08.52 | bittervoltage | thanks themill, already there seem to have fallen on deaf ears |
| 00:09.08 | bittervoltage | I google until my mouse died today, nothing |
| 00:09.22 | bittervoltage | seems like something so simple |
| 00:09.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | you still want #ubuntu for that question |
| 00:09.36 | Bushmills | so what make you stick to ubuntu, if you experience problems nobody can solve? |
| 00:09.53 | phogg | love |
| 00:10.02 | streuner_ | lol |
| 00:10.12 | phogg | I stick with Linux even though there are some problems I haven't found solutions for. |
| 00:10.19 | bittervoltage | basically I was following a tutorial on how to setup a minecraft server and it called for 9.10 install so I didn't want to change to many varriables |
| 00:10.39 | phogg | Some have solutions I can't be bothered to research, some probably don't. I love it too much to get scared by little flaws. |
| 00:10.56 | bittervoltage | and I figured etch would be so out of date java would be to old |
| 00:11.07 | bittervoltage | amen to that phogg |
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| 00:11.14 | Jckf | Any one here know why Perl is always runnin in taint mode on my box? |
| 00:11.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... etch? |
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| 00:11.29 | Bushmills | phogg: situation of "... nobody can solve" isn't given with problems one can solve himself |
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| 00:11.52 | bittervoltage | debian etch for my install lol |
| 00:12.05 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 00:12.05 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 00:20.46 | bittervoltage | themill if I remember correctly I think debian also goes into a power save mode after being idle from command line. what would the debain no gui fix me? |
| 00:21.15 | bittervoltage | *fix be sorry |
| 00:22.12 | themill | bittervoltage: this varies from release to release. #ubuntu should know the answer. |
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| 00:23.58 | Jckf | daemonkeeper: Still there? |
| 00:24.09 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 00:24.25 | Jckf | I think my problem is setuid/setgid being set recursivly on / |
| 00:24.29 | Jckf | How do I remove it? |
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| 00:25.48 | daemonkeeper | Depending on actual set flags chmod u-t |
| 00:26.44 | Jckf | I think it was a "chmod ug+s" that was run |
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| 00:27.04 | daemonkeeper | Then ug-s is the counter part. |
| 00:27.25 | daemonkeeper | Note, that this will break some things (i.e. programs that _should_ have sticky bits) |
| 00:27.29 | stew | Jckf: so you need a list of all the files on your system that SHOUD have u+s or g+s, then set everything ug-s, then reset the ones that should have it |
| 00:27.43 | Jckf | Yes |
| 00:27.57 | Jckf | How the hell would I know what should have these bits set? |
| 00:27.58 | stew | Jckf: how easy are your backups to access? |
| 00:28.15 | Jckf | :> |
| 00:28.42 | Jckf | Shoot me. No backups |
| 00:29.25 | daemonkeeper | That is a legitimate question. It is way easier to reinstall the whole system, than to recover all permissions. You could just reinstall and copy over your data. Those permissions are probably easy to recover. |
| 00:29.58 | Jckf | Reinstall is out of the question. This is a remote box |
| 00:30.03 | daemonkeeper | If you are sure, that you just have set sticky bits, remove them and do some try & error. |
| 00:30.23 | Jckf | I just did, and everything is back to normal as far as I can tell |
| 00:30.23 | daemonkeeper | At least the most essential things _should_ work, sudo being a notable example. |
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| 00:31.42 | Jckf | Oopsie. Apache broke |
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| 00:31.46 | Jckf | People are complaining |
| 00:31.54 | daemonkeeper | cgi? |
| 00:31.59 | Jckf | Yes |
| 00:32.18 | daemonkeeper | Then you are using suexec perhaps. That needs sticky bits. |
| 00:32.22 | Jckf | I am |
| 00:32.42 | Jckf | The suexec bin needs them? |
| 00:32.45 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 00:33.44 | daemonkeeper | btw. Maybe someone knows, whether apt-get --reinstall recovers permissions. |
| 00:34.57 | Jckf | Bleh |
| 00:35.00 | Jckf | I cannot su or sudo |
| 00:35.05 | Jckf | Awesome |
| 00:35.10 | daemonkeeper | Yes, as said ;) |
| 00:35.21 | Jckf | Then I have a real problem? |
| 00:35.35 | daemonkeeper | If you have no root shell or root login, yes. |
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| 00:35.47 | Jckf | cries |
| 00:36.10 | rudi_s | Jckf: Boot from a live-cd and fix it ... |
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| 00:36.17 | Jckf | Remote box still |
| 00:36.40 | daemonkeeper | Don't you have a recovery shell to be booted into the memory? |
| 00:36.40 | rudi_s | Oh, .. does the remote system have something similar? |
| 00:36.52 | daemonkeeper | Some ISPs offer that |
| 00:37.55 | Jckf | This is just a box I built |
| 00:37.57 | Jckf | Nothing fancy |
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| 00:39.03 | Jckf | So |
| 00:39.07 | Jckf | Someone hack my box xP |
| 00:39.16 | daemonkeeper | Call your ISP. |
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| 00:39.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | time to rganise a dc visit *g* |
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| 00:39.52 | daemonkeeper | They have to hijack your system and set a root password. Or what Kamping_Kaiser suggests ;) |
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| 00:44.37 | thewanderer1 | hi. how to disable the kernel OOM killer completely? |
| 00:45.06 | thewanderer1 | I mean I can set vm.overcommit_memory = 2, but OOM situations still happen and the killer kicks in, while I want it not to |
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| 01:08.05 | khiaanaa | hi is this channel for debian users? |
| 01:08.35 | dclarke | yes |
| 01:08.53 | khiaanaa | dclarke ok ty.. |
| 01:09.23 | khiaanaa | I have question about irssi, is it okay to cast it here on your channel? |
| 01:09.40 | dclarke | on this chan .. sure .. |
| 01:09.50 | dclarke | its not my chan .. it is a debian user chan |
| 01:09.54 | dclarke | but go ahead |
| 01:10.29 | dclarke | no promise that I know anything of any use however |
| 01:10.57 | khiaanaa | I cannot launch as normal user (/etc/rc.d/bitlbee start) what line to modify pass for biltbee.conf file? |
| 01:10.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | khiaanaa: you can try here, you may or may not get any help. if not try #irssi |
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| 01:11.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | how is that an irssi question? |
| 01:11.29 | dclarke | blinks |
| 01:11.58 | khiaanaa | Kamping_Kaiser thanks |
| 01:12.28 | babilen | #bitlbee :) |
| 01:13.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: +1 |
| 01:13.32 | babilen | but this could also be related to the way bitlbee is packaged in Debian |
| 01:13.52 | Jckf | I need ideas. How do I get root on a box without functioning sudo? |
| 01:13.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian has no /etc/rc.d, so i'm not convinced it is debian |
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| 01:14.30 | khiaanaa | Sorry I'm using other distro. |
| 01:14.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | aand i win the jackpot |
| 01:14.51 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, I auto-corrected that internally :) |
| 01:14.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | khiaanaa: you should ask other distro's support channel |
| 01:15.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: :) |
| 01:16.02 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.06 | dclarke | Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 04:30:55 UTC 2010 |
| 01:16.14 | dclarke | let's see what he has there |
| 01:16.18 | babilen | Jckf: You login as root ? But I know your story and don't think there is much you can do apart from accessing the box locally |
| 01:16.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesn't matter - hes not running debian, so its not our problem |
| 01:16.51 | babilen | Jckf: Did you forgot your root pwd or did you disable root login? |
| 01:17.07 | Jckf | I removed setuid/gid from sudo bin |
| 01:17.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jckf: either you find an exploit and root yourself, or you drive to where the box is hosted and boot single |
| 01:17.23 | babilen | Jckf: yes, but what keeps you from login in as root? |
| 01:17.41 | Jckf | babilen: I only have ssh access because it's a remote box |
| 01:17.59 | babilen | Jckf: ssh root@example.com ? |
| 01:18.08 | Jckf | root doesn't have ssh access |
| 01:18.11 | dclarke | coughs |
| 01:18.24 | dclarke | that's evil .. one does not grant root access via ssh |
| 01:18.34 | dclarke | ever |
| 01:18.36 | babilen | ok, I asked that earlier ... well, then it is off to the car/plane/bike/... |
| 01:18.43 | dclarke | hold on |
| 01:18.54 | dclarke | babilen: do you a user long access at all ? |
| 01:19.04 | dclarke | babilen: do you a user logon access at all ? |
| 01:19.05 | babilen | dclarke: what? |
| 01:19.19 | dclarke | do you have .. a user id and a private key ? |
| 01:19.30 | babilen | plenty :) |
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| 01:19.35 | dclarke | oookay .. good |
| 01:20.02 | babilen | dclarke: I would like to point out that *I* am not the person who asked the question. |
| 01:20.14 | dclarke | so .. just try ssh -2 -4 -e\^ -l username -i $HOME/.ssh/private_key_filename -c aes128-cbc servername |
| 01:20.15 | Jckf | I was thinking he was talking to me =P |
| 01:20.29 | dclarke | oh .. I got confused .. sorry |
| 01:20.33 | babilen | dclarke is indeed talking to you :) |
| 01:20.45 | Jckf | I do not have any keys |
| 01:20.45 | dclarke | looks at Jckf |
| 01:20.55 | dclarke | makes popcorn |
| 01:21.04 | dclarke | this will be fun |
| 01:21.14 | Jckf | It's already fun =P |
| 01:21.19 | dclarke | oookay .. slowly now .. do you have any access to that server at all ? |
| 01:21.30 | Jckf | Yes. I have ssh access as a non-root user |
| 01:21.52 | dclarke | please use s m a l l w o r d s a n d t y p e s l o w l y |
| 01:22.02 | Jckf | Hehe |
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| 01:22.05 | dclarke | okay .. you have a non-root user access |
| 01:22.14 | dclarke | that is a { YES|NO } Yes |
| 01:22.21 | dclarke | well done |
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| 01:22.36 | babilen | o_O |
| 01:22.43 | dclarke | do you ( I'm looking at Jckf ) have a private key for that non-root user ? |
| 01:22.55 | Jckf | No. Only a username and password |
| 01:22.57 | dclarke | did I mess up people again ? |
| 01:23.38 | babilen | opens a bottle of innis&gunn and lays back |
| 01:23.46 | dclarke | Jckf: hey .. for that user .. what happens when you try to ssh -2 -4 -e\^ -l username -v -v servername |
| 01:23.58 | dclarke | hands ice to babilen |
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| 01:24.29 | dclarke | looks for a bottle of scotch |
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| 01:24.48 | Jckf | dclarke: I get alot of debug data and a password prompt |
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| 01:24.51 | caba | hi |
| 01:25.14 | caba | i'm having trouble shrinking a raid backend device |
| 01:25.23 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 01:25.24 | dclarke | Jckf: good .. that is progress |
| 01:25.25 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.12-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.5-2; sid: 9.0.1-1; sid: 9.0.1-2 |
| 01:25.47 | dclarke | Jckf: so .. can you login as that user ? |
| 01:25.51 | Jckf | Yes |
| 01:25.51 | caba | for 00.90 superblocks at the end... will mdadm --grow --size place a new superblock at the new "end" when shrinking? |
| 01:26.05 | dclarke | Jckf: so .. then .. what is the proble ? |
| 01:26.17 | caba | and if so.. how can i compute the exact size of the new backend device such that it will find the superblock at the end |
| 01:26.28 | Jckf | dclarke: I don't have root access? |
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| 01:26.38 | dclarke | Jckf: oh |
| 01:26.45 | babilen | dclarke: he just logged in as *the same user* **not** root |
| 01:26.48 | dclarke | Jckf: you're in total deep trouble then |
| 01:26.54 | babilen | laughs |
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| 01:27.01 | Jckf | -.- |
| 01:27.03 | nsadmin | or deeply total |
| 01:27.26 | nsadmin | or deeply but a hare more shallow total |
| 01:27.26 | dclarke | Jckf: man there is no way around it .. you need to call up someone that can grant you sudo rights or su - root |
| 01:27.54 | dclarke | Jckf: or walk out to the Porsche Cayman S and start driving |
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| 01:28.28 | pksadiq | Jckf: or try the single user mode |
| 01:28.39 | Jckf | Then I need physical access |
| 01:28.55 | dclarke | nods sadly |
| 01:29.24 | daemonkeeper | There was a local root exploit recently. I don't know though, whether it ever came out of the proof-of-concept stage |
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| 01:30.21 | pksadiq | daemonkeeper: root can be easly exploited by changing /etc/password, /etc/shadow etc files from somewhere else and replace |
| 01:30.38 | daemonkeeper | pksadiq: If you have physical access to the machine ;) |
| 01:31.03 | pksadiq | daemonkeeper: yes, if not I'm helpless |
| 01:31.19 | daemonkeeper | Indeed I suggested Jckf already half an hour ago to call the support of his ISP to reset the root login |
| 01:31.41 | Jckf | The ISP has nothing to do with this |
| 01:31.58 | babilen | the bos must be hosted somewhere |
| 01:32.05 | babilen | s/bos.box |
| 01:32.16 | daemonkeeper | And thus the ISP has physical access to it. |
| 01:32.28 | Jckf | It's hosted at my old job site |
| 01:32.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: s/isp/hosting provider |
| 01:32.37 | dclarke | Jckf: I hope the server is nearby .. I don't see any sane way around this than to go to it and whisper sweet nothings to it |
| 01:33.14 | dvs | o_O |
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| 01:36.07 | Jckf | Someone buy me a train ticket then |
| 01:36.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | not our problem |
| 01:36.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | you fucked up the permissions :) |
| 01:36.52 | daemonkeeper | Kamping_Kaiser: To me that is synonym. I'm no native speaker though, so chances are "ISP" is used differently in English and for end user access only? |
| 01:37.45 | dclarke | hopes people can play nice |
| 01:37.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: isp only indicates they provide internet access. its not (typically) used to describe someone providing hosting |
| 01:38.07 | daemonkeeper | That's what I mean, to me both offer services. |
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| 01:38.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: my library provide a service, i dont call them an isp |
| 01:38.39 | daemonkeeper | As said, I don't know whether this is used in English analogously. |
| 01:38.41 | Jckf | A hosting provider also needs an ISP, daemonkeeper |
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| 01:39.19 | daemonkeeper | Jckf: Well, no. They could peer on their own with other provides. |
| 01:39.33 | daemonkeeper | Indeed most bigger hosting provider do. |
| 01:39.48 | Jckf | Then they are their own ISP =P |
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| 01:46.56 | nsadmin | somehow they have to connect their customers to "the rest of the net" |
| 01:48.13 | daemonkeeper | Serious hoster will have multi-homed peering, being again customer of a carrier. |
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| 01:49.15 | nsadmin | even if they're the biggest in the world, there are still paths they have to connect to that are not their own |
| 01:49.30 | daemonkeeper | I agree. That's what peering is about. |
| 01:50.56 | nsadmin | what's the backports url for lenny? |
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| 01:51.19 | daemonkeeper | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 01:55.25 | nsadmin | thanks... |
| 01:55.43 | nsadmin | patpats his handydandy sources.list.m4 and Makefile :) |
| 01:56.27 | Jckf | Is it possible to get more details about permissions on a file than "ls -l" gives? |
| 01:56.45 | nsadmin | what other details are there? |
| 01:57.06 | nsadmin | you have the owner, group owner and permission bits |
| 01:57.34 | Jckf | setuid/gid too? |
| 01:57.37 | daemonkeeper | It i |
| 01:57.39 | daemonkeeper | is |
| 01:58.21 | daemonkeeper | The permission bits also show up sticky/setuid bits. |
| 01:59.44 | Jckf | Where? |
| 01:59.49 | nsadmin | man ls |
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| 02:00.30 | daemonkeeper | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 29152 Sep 26 00:05 /bin/su <- note the "s" |
| 02:00.49 | Jckf | Oh would you look at that |
| 02:01.50 | nsadmin | dat meen setuid aaaaund owner execute |
| 02:02.09 | nsadmin | if no owner execute, would show S instead |
| 02:02.19 | daemonkeeper | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions#Notation_of_traditional_Unix_permissions or info coreutils 'ls invocation' |
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| 02:24.53 | arcsky | anone awake ? |
| 02:24.57 | arcsky | anyone* |
| 02:25.26 | arcsky | i got problem with compile openssl with enable-rfc3779 |
| 02:25.28 | nsadmin | -snore- -snuk- huh?! what?! |
| 02:26.06 | dclarke | who is making all the noise ? |
| 02:26.14 | dclarke | damn kids ... |
| 02:26.32 | dclarke | goes back to compiling alsa |
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| 02:30.26 | nsadmin | arcsky: debianized sources? |
| 02:31.49 | arcsky | nsadmin: yeah |
| 02:34.07 | arcsky | nsadmin: i tried this http://pastebin.com/mC4Lwfwt |
| 02:34.20 | arcsky | and http://www.cryptocom.ru/dns/openssl-1-config-en.html |
| 02:34.23 | arcsky | without luck |
| 02:34.42 | arcsky | first one with debian source it doesnt exists and .deb package |
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| 02:35.30 | babilen | arcsky: You want to get the Debian sources, you are building an Ubuntu package |
| 02:35.59 | nsadmin | libssl0.9.8 is ubuntu? |
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| 02:36.24 | nsadmin | oic |
| 02:36.52 | nsadmin | , versions openssl |
| 02:36.53 | judd | Package openssl on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny9; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny9; sid: 0.9.8o-3; squeeze: 0.9.8o-3 |
| 02:37.23 | nsadmin | arcsky: what debian are you running |
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| 02:37.29 | babilen | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 02:37.30 | judd | Package libssl0.9.8 on i386 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch9; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny9; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny9; sid: 0.9.8o-3; squeeze: 0.9.8o-3 |
| 02:37.31 | acu | I run Debian AMD 64 Squeeze and run kvm and libvirt - the VM runs Squeeze too - I do not know why VM freeze and I need to reboot the host to have everything back - does anyone know what the problem is - and where are the libvirt logs ? |
| 02:37.47 | arcsky | lenny |
| 02:38.22 | nsadmin | babilen: what does he need to rebuild? |
| 02:38.31 | arcsky | openssl |
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| 02:38.48 | nsadmin | so, not the lib? |
| 02:39.00 | babilen | arcsky: Try again with the Debian sources ... and btw: What went wrong with that build? |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | there's a lot of stuff linked against libssl ... that might be a problem |
| 02:39.30 | arcsky | the complile doesnt work |
| 02:39.38 | babilen | I have no idea -- arcsky said that he wanted to recompile libssl0.9.8 with "enable-rfc3779" |
| 02:39.46 | arcsky | yes |
| 02:40.08 | nsadmin | please pastebin the full text of the build output |
| 02:40.14 | arcsky | i tryed with apt-get source and also from openssl.tar.gx |
| 02:40.14 | babilen | arcsky: I don't see any error in the output you've pasted |
| 02:40.28 | arcsky | its not errors just simple howtos |
| 02:40.58 | nsadmin | unless you show the errors, no help is available (since no information is available) |
| 02:41.10 | arcsky | ok |
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| 02:41.17 | nsadmin | run it this way: |
| 02:41.28 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 02:41.33 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 02:41.37 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 02:41.46 | arcsky | root@victim:~# ./cga.sh |
| 02:41.46 | arcsky | Error Loading extension section rfc3779 |
| 02:41.46 | arcsky | 21973:error:22097081:X509 V3 routines:DO_EXT_NCONF:unknown extension:v3_conf.c:1 29: |
| 02:41.49 | arcsky | 21973:error:22098080:X509 V3 routines:X509V3_EXT_nconf:error in extension:v3_con f.c:93:name=sbgp-ipAddrBlock, value=IPv6:2a01::/16 |
| 02:41.54 | arcsky | Generating RSA private key, 2048 bit long modulus |
| 02:41.56 | arcsky | .......................+++ |
| 02:41.59 | arcsky | ...............................+++ |
| 02:42.00 | nsadmin | nono, pastebin it |
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| 02:42.01 | arcsky | e is 65537 (0x10001) |
| 02:42.04 | arcsky | You are about to be asked to enter information that will be incorporated |
| 02:42.06 | arcsky | into your certificate request. |
| 02:42.09 | arcsky | What you are about to enter is what is called a Distinguished Name or a DN. |
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| 02:42.11 | arcsky | There are quite a few fields but you can leave some blank |
| 02:42.14 | arcsky | For some fields there will be a default value, |
| 02:42.16 | nsadmin | YO |
| 02:42.16 | arcsky | If you enter '.', the field will be left blank. |
| 02:42.18 | zinx | arcsky: don't dump the .'s and +'s, by the way |
| 02:42.19 | arcsky | ----- |
| 02:42.21 | arcsky | Country Name (2 letter code) [AU]: |
| 02:42.23 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/H8h2FZqt |
| 02:42.26 | arcsky | shit sorry |
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| 02:42.46 | bolt | ... |
| 02:42.53 | zinx | (they can be used to make finding your key easier, though i'm not sure by how much) |
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| 02:44.52 | arcsky | you guys maybe know how i can solve this problem ? |
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| 02:44.57 | babilen | arcsky: That is *not* the output from your libssl0.9.8 recompile. What went wrong with *that* or what is your problem if not the recompile? |
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| 02:45.46 | arcsky | babilen: possible to find the output of the compiling ? |
| 02:45.49 | arcsky | afterwards |
| 02:46.01 | babilen | arcsky: That happens after you've installed the recompiled packages? |
| 02:46.42 | arcsky | there is two ways to do it from source or from debian source |
| 02:46.47 | arcsky | which way should i do? |
| 02:46.55 | babilen | the ;atter |
| 02:46.58 | babilen | latter |
| 02:47.03 | arcsky | ok |
| 02:47.46 | arcsky | i go in debian/rules |
| 02:48.04 | arcsky | CONFARGS = --prefix=/usr --openssldir=/usr/lib/ssl no-idea no-mdc2 no-rc5 zlib enable-tlsext no-sslv2 enable-rfc3779 |
| 02:49.15 | nsadmin | try this instead |
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| 02:50.22 | nsadmin | CONFARGS = --prefix=/usr --openssldir=/usr/lib/ssl --no-idea --no-mdc2 --no-rc5 --zlib --enable-tlsext --no-sslv2 --enable-rfc3779 |
| 02:51.07 | Texou | hi |
| 02:51.20 | Texou | could someone tell me how to enable system beep on Gnome with squeeze? |
| 02:51.48 | babilen | nsadmin: No, take a look at the rules file |
| 02:52.23 | babilen | Texou: No, that is a secret |
| 02:52.25 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/11P3GKE2 |
| 02:52.36 | arcsky | no errors right |
| 02:52.42 | Texou | babilen: lol still more interesting so |
| 02:52.53 | babilen | Texou: In other news: gnome-terminal → edit profile → enable terminal bell + "modprobe pcspkr" |
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| 02:53.19 | babilen | Texou: but why on earth would you want that? |
| 02:53.37 | Texou | babilen: useful for flind people |
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| 02:53.44 | Texou | blind* |
| 02:53.53 | arcsky | when i do cd.. from openssl dir, there is no .deb file |
| 02:54.51 | arcsky | nsadmin: maybe you know ? |
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| 02:54.57 | babilen | arcsky: do: "aptitude build-deb libssl0.9.8" you have unmet build dependencies |
| 02:55.17 | Texou | babilen: and works too for "Run an application" (alt-f2) menu (beep when at starting/end of a line)? |
| 02:55.23 | crn | sorry to have lost track: is sid the next stable release? |
| 02:55.39 | cirwin | how is ssh-agent supposed to communicate with me when I do ssh-add -c ? All I get is "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.". It works fine without -c |
| 02:55.41 | Texou | crn: no |
| 02:55.44 | un214 | no |
| 02:55.50 | Texou | crn: sid is unstable |
| 02:55.51 | babilen | Texou: I don't really know. Getting rid of these beeps is typically the first thing I do whenever I encounter them. Sorry :-\ |
| 02:55.51 | arcsky | babilen: nknown command "build-deb" |
| 02:56.02 | nsadmin | build-dep |
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| 02:56.18 | crn | ok so it's after the next stable release |
| 02:56.28 | Texou | babilen: how do you get rid of them ? :D (enabling is doing the opposed manipulation) |
| 02:56.30 | un214 | I thought unstable is always sid |
| 02:56.35 | nsadmin | sid never gets released |
| 02:56.41 | Texou | crn: after testing too |
| 02:56.43 | babilen | arcsky: ^^^^^^ |
| 02:56.43 | babilen | :-) |
| 02:56.50 | nsadmin | packages get added to sid and get pooped out into testing |
| 02:57.10 | crn | nsadmin, ahhhh |
| 02:57.13 | arcsky | damn guys |
| 02:57.20 | babilen | !tell Texou -about bell |
| 02:57.28 | Texou | thanks |
| 02:57.40 | arcsky | babilen & nsadmin i say thank you very much. i will sleep well now |
| 02:57.56 | babilen | arcsky: good, is it working now? |
| 02:58.00 | arcsky | yep |
| 02:58.04 | babilen | hehe |
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| 02:58.13 | babilen | sleep tight then |
| 02:58.18 | arcsky | i will |
| 02:58.21 | Humanoid | I am getting file corruption when I umount and then mount a partition. |
| 02:58.22 | crn | Texou, thanks. after all this time i should get this clear. but not yet |
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| 02:58.55 | Texou | :) |
| 02:59.23 | Texou | crn: I prefer nsadmin's explanations more full |
| 03:00.15 | crn | Texou, right. |
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| 03:05.17 | Texou | babilen: and do you know console commands on squeeze to set pulseaudio (I only know alsaconf, alsamixer...) |
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| 03:07.35 | acu | is anyone awake here ? |
| 03:07.38 | acu | good morning |
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| 03:07.46 | daemonkeeper | Sure, you are. |
| 03:07.48 | nsadmin | -snore- -snuk- huh?! what?! |
| 03:07.54 | acu | :) |
| 03:08.32 | nsadmin | oh... someone woke me up... or, more positively, I had to get up to answer the irc anyway... |
| 03:09.39 | Texou | lost on pulseaudio :( |
| 03:09.40 | acu | I am trying to run few virtual machines on debian squeeze AMD64 with qemu-kvm - and the VMs freeze unexpectedly - I was told that Debian Squeeze has kvm only however in Synaptic - kvm package is a dummy transitional package to kvm-qemu - so I installed only qemu-kvm |
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| 03:10.36 | acu | I get this message in /var/logs/syslog libvirtd: 10:11:45.844: warning : qemudDispatchSignalEvent:396 : Shutting down on signal 15 |
| 03:10.40 | dclarke | acu: try virtual box .. or better yet .. vmware |
| 03:10.57 | dclarke | acu: unless you need to run a Sparc or PowerPC emulation |
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| 03:11.35 | acu | dclarke: since kvm is part of the linux kernel - I thought this would be the best choice for a linux machine |
| 03:12.14 | acu | of course - for a windows or macos - virtual-box would be better (wmware is to proprietary :) |
| 03:12.37 | dclarke | acu: depends on how valuable your time is |
| 03:12.51 | dclarke | acu: I installed vbox and it 'just works' |
| 03:13.00 | acu | dcclarke: as valuable as my freedom :) |
| 03:13.00 | dclarke | I also have vmware and it 'just works' |
| 03:13.10 | dclarke | I have never ever seen qemu 'just work' |
| 03:13.16 | dclarke | and virtual box is open source |
| 03:13.18 | acu | tyranny of freedom and choice :) |
| 03:13.26 | dclarke | whatever that means |
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| 03:13.49 | daemonkeeper | dclarke: If you had said that less polemic, I'd sign that. |
| 03:14.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've not run kvm/qemu as a daemon, so i haven't seen that error |
| 03:14.56 | dclarke | well ... I'm up to my ears in confusion tonight anyways ... I just built alsa version 1.0.23 and I never hear a sound |
| 03:15.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: if you can't find anything out on the 'net, i suggest filing a bug |
| 03:15.17 | acu | dclarke: I am sure you are right - but remember this is Debian corner - which perhaps gather most stoic, persistent, maybe masochistic IT people :) |
| 03:15.32 | dclarke | that would be me |
| 03:15.40 | daemonkeeper | Uhm, no. Look on Gentoo. Or Slackware. |
| 03:15.46 | daemonkeeper | If you look for masochists. |
| 03:15.51 | dclarke | rather than install win7 or whatever .. I run lenny and fight with the alsa sources to get sound |
| 03:15.53 | acu | lol |
| 03:16.41 | dclarke | the bizarre thing is .. I can boot this machine with Knoppix and sound works fine .. boot lenny and no sound |
| 03:16.45 | dclarke | its killing me |
| 03:16.58 | acu | dclarke: lenny is stable - good for server - but for desktop is a pure dinosaur - hands down you need to plunge in Squeeze - recocnizes and runs almost everything (out of the box ? :) |
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| 03:17.36 | dclarke | well I'd rather have stable lenny and then build whatever I need that is newer |
| 03:17.43 | acu | squeeze undergoes active changes (though it was frozen sometime ago) |
| 03:17.51 | dclarke | as for dinosaur .. you ever work with Solaris 8 ? |
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| 03:19.03 | acu | dclarke: maybe - but my baby brain have forgotten - however for destktop I remember debian potato and whatever - I was oozing blood and tears to make anything work :) |
| 03:19.16 | dclarke | I am just baffled why my kernel module snd-ctxfi.ko loads fine and I get no sound and alsamizer runs and looks beautiful and I get no sound |
| 03:19.23 | daemonkeeper | *sniff* potato! Time goes by! |
| 03:19.25 | acu | lenny was a big change for all - but squeeze rocks big time |
| 03:19.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: offtopic |
| 03:19.49 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:20.07 | acu | Keep us straight Kamping_Kaiser :) |
| 03:20.10 | dclarke | nothing here is offtopic |
| 03:20.25 | dclarke | we were discussing linux and lenny and open sourcey things |
| 03:20.26 | acu | even girls ? |
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| 03:20.39 | dclarke | let me rephrase that : nothing here was offtopic |
| 03:20.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | it was all off topic |
| 03:20.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | kthx |
| 03:21.11 | dclarke | oookay .. before I reboot and loose my mind and try a windows 7 trick .. reboot .. anyone suggest anything to make sound work ? |
| 03:21.51 | acu | dclarke, do yourself a ton of good and install Squeeze for you desktop http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:21.59 | abrotman | acu: he said no .. knock it off |
| 03:22.13 | dclarke | well ... I am thinking about it |
| 03:22.17 | dclarke | however ... |
| 03:22.32 | acu | dclarke: also you may check not to have pulse, alsa and all other sound servers on - they sometimes confuse the system |
| 03:22.39 | dclarke | I just built and installed the latest alsa and even got a nice looking card 0: XFi [Creative X-Fi], device 4: ctxfi [IEC958 Non-audio] |
| 03:22.44 | acu | choose one |
| 03:23.06 | dclarke | er ... not sure how to check for that |
| 03:23.42 | acu | if you are a gui guy - go to synaptic and search pulse audio alsa and see what you have |
| 03:24.04 | dclarke | # cat /proc/modules | grep ctxfi |
| 03:24.08 | dclarke | that is what I did |
| 03:24.20 | dclarke | I see snd_ctxfi 84904 0 - Live 0xffffffffa0241000 |
| 03:24.31 | dclarke | and snd_pcm 96136 1 snd_ctxfi, Live 0xffffffffa0228000 |
| 03:24.39 | daemonkeeper | (Useless use of cat award to dclarke) |
| 03:24.50 | dclarke | accepts award |
| 03:25.09 | dclarke | # grep ctxfi /proc/modules |
| 03:25.14 | dclarke | there .. is that better ? |
| 03:25.24 | acu | dclarke: I am not expert in sound - but linux have different servers that handles sound - and sometimes they anihilate each other - I found many times that if I let one only is better - but that is just empiric observation - no scientific evidence |
| 03:25.27 | daemonkeeper | Yes ;) |
| 03:25.47 | dclarke | daemonkeeper: can I keep the award ? ;-) |
| 03:26.00 | daemonkeeper | Sure. Its yours. You can even share it. |
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| 03:26.33 | dclarke | acu: well thus far I think my issue is related to the SoundBlaster X-Fi stuff .. maybe .. but that was why I fetched the latest sources and build the drivers and utils etc mysqlf |
| 03:26.58 | dclarke | myself .. |
| 03:27.09 | dclarke | my fingers automatically typed mysql |
| 03:27.43 | acu | dclarke: I had a feeling that you are too smart for yourself :) - simple method - have a single Sound server and/or try Squeeze |
| 03:27.46 | dclarke | anyways ... I'm just baffled and I will not unload all those modules and perhaps try again |
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| 03:28.06 | acu | dclarke: your fingers would be better typing postgresql automatically |
| 03:28.11 | dclarke | acu: I don't know how to determine what sound servers are running .. to be honest |
| 03:28.29 | dclarke | acu: agreed but .. I'm stuck in mysql land these days |
| 03:29.00 | dclarke | # ps -ef | grep sound <-- naive |
| 03:29.01 | acu | dclarke: I think is OK - most people are stuck with Windows (even worse) :) |
| 03:29.37 | dclarke | I had bought a copy of win7 ultimate 64-bit .. non-upgrade edition , it was $360+ |
| 03:29.37 | acu | I had to achieve something concrete - there was an excellent tutorial on sound systems in linux |
| 03:29.44 | acu | give me a sec to search for you |
| 03:29.45 | dclarke | I formatted the machine to the ground and installed lenny |
| 03:30.08 | acu | dclarke: windows is For Rich People who like slavery ! |
| 03:30.38 | acu | I am neither :) |
| 03:30.46 | babilen | dclarke: if you want to help yourself, check the output of "cat /proc/asound/" verify that your card is there. Make sure to follow the "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" and read http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting (the index thing and maybe the rest as well) |
| 03:30.51 | dclarke | can I be rich and free ? would that be okay ? |
| 03:31.09 | acu | dclarke: show me one |
| 03:31.10 | dclarke | cat: /proc/asound/: Is a directory |
| 03:31.12 | babilen | acu: I don't quite see how this helps in solving the problem. You are aware of the -ot channels on freenode? |
| 03:31.15 | dclarke | er .. one sec |
| 03:31.45 | dclarke | $ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 03:31.51 | babilen | dclarke: yeah, that :) |
| 03:31.52 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.52 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.59 | dclarke | looks good to me |
| 03:32.52 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.00 | acu | babilen: you are quite right - sorry for all this - I will try to correct myself - however you are aware that we are not bots - and even bots have some fun from time to time :) |
| 03:33.05 | babilen | yes, it does |
| 03:33.25 | dclarke | this is not fun .. it is debugging why a kernel module does not work on lenny |
| 03:33.31 | babilen | acu: yes, and this is the reason why we have #d-ot and #defocus |
| 03:33.39 | dclarke | or better yet .. why alsa does not |
| 03:34.09 | babilen | you've done the alsamixer etc spiel? |
| 03:34.26 | dclarke | well I checked http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi and it says ALSA version 1.0.21 is included in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images |
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| 03:34.43 | dclarke | I have alsa 1.0.23 |
| 03:34.59 | dclarke | and yes .. alsamixer look beautiful and I see every channel |
| 03:35.27 | dclarke | let me see if I can post a snapshot picture somewhere |
| 03:36.45 | dclarke | see http://www.pastethat.com/TzggL |
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| 03:37.23 | dclarke | you gotta admit ... that is impressive |
| 03:38.32 | dclarke | see http://www.pastethat.com/JVtN8 |
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| 03:39.16 | dclarke | and no matter what .. no sound here |
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| 03:40.11 | dclarke | sooo ... I need to figure out what the issue is .. it has to be in /etc somewhere |
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| 03:41.14 | babilen | Not necessarily, ... member of audio? no pulseaudio running? |
| 03:41.33 | dclarke | id says uid=16411(dclarke) gid=1001(csw) groups=29(audio),1001(csw) |
| 03:41.46 | dclarke | and again I do not know about pulseaudio or how to check for that |
| 03:41.49 | babilen | I just realised after looking at your screenshot that I am a completely different timezone and that i'll rather do something else right now, though :) |
| 03:42.00 | dclarke | babilen: ha ha |
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| 03:42.18 | ov3rmind | night at all... |
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| 03:43.44 | babilen | dclarke: Ok, the alsa people have a beautiful script ... let me hunt it down and you might want to take it to #alsa if no one else can offer help. http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh |
| 03:43.45 | babilen | dclarke: Good luck and good night |
| 03:44.09 | dclarke | runs aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav and hears nothing |
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| 03:44.23 | dclarke | thanks .. let me check that |
| 03:45.05 | babilen | dclarke: play something else too |
| 03:45.14 | acu | declarke |
| 03:45.34 | acu | stay one sec - I think I found the tutorial - it will enlighten you plenty about audion |
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| 03:45.53 | dclarke | holds breath |
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| 03:46.46 | heroxbd | Hey guys. I am wondering if there is any reason to forbid installing to ftpd at the same time |
| 03:47.15 | heroxbd | # aptitude why-not proftpd-basic gives: i vsftpd Conflicts ftp-server p proftpd-basic Provides ftp-server |
| 03:47.23 | acu | the name of the guy is Christoph Eckert and the title of one is Linux Audio basics - I will find the link in a sec dclarke |
| 03:47.50 | heroxbd | I want to use two ftpds on the different ports |
| 03:48.48 | dclarke | acu: I just ran alsa-info.sh and it was really informative |
| 03:49.19 | dclarke | anyone know what /usr/bin/artsd is ? |
| 03:49.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | kde3 sound daemon |
| 03:49.44 | dclarke | ahhh |
| 03:49.47 | acu | that is another sound server |
| 03:49.49 | dclarke | maybe I should kill that |
| 03:50.15 | acu | you did not read my messages :) |
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| 03:50.31 | dclarke | er ... |
| 03:50.36 | dclarke | sorry was messing here |
| 03:51.03 | dclarke | Linux Audio basics <-- right .. I think I saw that |
| 03:51.26 | acu | dclarke: I can send the videos - I do not know where in the web are they = but I can send them to you - as I downloaded |
| 03:51.46 | dclarke | if they are videos wit hsound .. I can not hear them :-( |
| 03:51.55 | dclarke | begins to make small whine noises |
| 03:52.50 | acu | dclarke: if you have seen it - you would know a jack about jack, pulse, alsa. arts |
| 03:53.56 | dclarke | I'm generally from the Solaris world and this is my workstation and .. I'm running out of options for sound .. I may just go rip a sound card out of another machine |
| 03:55.31 | acu | Debian Squeeze will make your life much easier - but I should knock it off (based on abrotman advise) - since you anyhow like a bit of suffering :) |
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| 03:55.51 | dclarke | goes to look for squeeze |
| 03:56.00 | dclarke | can I do an upgrade ? |
| 03:56.09 | dclarke | or am I stuck with a full re-install ? |
| 03:56.27 | jtmoney | I'm installing the XFCE CD, but GNOME gets installed as well... Is there any way to not have GNOME installed and only have XFCE installed? |
| 03:56.31 | acu | there is an update - but I strongly recommend a fresh daily install |
| 03:56.45 | dclarke | daily ? |
| 03:56.52 | acu | yes - |
| 03:56.56 | dclarke | daily ? ? <-- how ragged and bleeding is it ? |
| 03:57.13 | acu | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:57.57 | acu | it is frozen since a while - and still moving - but it is OK for me - I run 6 workstations on squeeze |
| 03:58.11 | dclarke | okay .. you have me convinced |
| 03:58.20 | dclarke | totally |
| 03:58.22 | dclarke | well sone |
| 03:58.24 | acu | :) |
| 03:58.26 | dclarke | well done |
| 03:58.31 | dclarke | let me dl http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:58.35 | dclarke | and burn a DVD |
| 03:58.39 | dclarke | like .. rfn |
| 03:58.46 | acu | you do not need a dvd |
| 03:58.57 | acu | you can do through the network install - |
| 03:59.04 | dclarke | well ... its a nice to have thing |
| 03:59.09 | acu | 170 mb of download - and it will take from there |
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| 03:59.28 | dclarke | yeah but my home bandwidth can .. suck |
| 03:59.39 | acu | being still beta - I would hold for full dvd burning until the release happens |
| 03:59.48 | dclarke | with bittorrent maybe squeeze is well seeded .. I hope |
| 03:59.54 | acu | OK- then is something else - if it sucks |
| 04:00.05 | acu | I usually do netinstall |
| 04:00.13 | dclarke | acu: so what do you recommend from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | dclarke: use the daily netinst |
| 04:00.39 | acu | do you have a 64 bit CPU - AMD or Intel core 2 duo ? |
| 04:00.41 | dclarke | this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:00.44 | ov3rmind | i already run undder my box squeeze too but kd4 not work, i expect the correction for tha problem madaaaa semanals updaaate/upgraaddde up to apt |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | dclarke: daily, not beta1 |
| 04:01.15 | acu | dclarke: yes abrotman ^ |
| 04:01.17 | dclarke | this is cat /proc/cpuinfo says vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 04:01.22 | jtmoney | Anyone? I'm installing the XFCE CD for Debian and it defaults with GNOME? Is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:01.28 | dclarke | it is an 2.6GHz opteron |
| 04:01.32 | dclarke | 4GB ECC memory |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | dclarke: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:01.49 | dclarke | lags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up rep_good pni lahf_lm |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | yes, 64bit |
| 04:02.02 | dclarke | very |
| 04:02.07 | acu | dclarke: yes is a 64 bit - it is good - |
| 04:02.13 | dclarke | it was running Windows 7 64-bit like crap |
| 04:02.22 | dclarke | thus .. I formatted it |
| 04:02.25 | acu | dclarke: we know it :) |
| 04:02.37 | dclarke | I nailed the DVD to the wall |
| 04:02.42 | acu | do the right thing |
| 04:02.51 | dclarke | in any case .. okay .. I should fetch the netinst |
| 04:02.51 | acu | and welcome to heaven |
| 04:02.56 | abrotman | !enter |
| 04:02.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:03.28 | jtmoney | Are you guys ignoring me or what? |
| 04:03.31 | dclarke | thank you very much for that bit of enlightenment. I have been oft accused of foolishly yakking and hitting enter |
| 04:03.43 | dclarke | jtmoney: sorry .. er .. what ? |
| 04:04.00 | jtmoney | Anyone? I'm installing the XFCE CD for Debian and it defaults with GNOME? Is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:04.30 | dclarke | searches for cdrecord |
| 04:04.34 | acu | jtmoney: not at all - I did not installe XFCE - so I donnot know how to fix that -I install gnome or kde - others might help you |
| 04:04.44 | dclarke | I run KDE |
| 04:05.00 | jtmoney | Alright. |
| 04:05.11 | dclarke | really .. I'm sorry |
| 04:05.55 | acu | dclarke: for burning I use k3b or brasero |
| 04:06.06 | acu | but there are plenty of apps there |
| 04:06.27 | dclarke | I'm a cdrecord nazi .. sorry |
| 04:06.33 | dclarke | it 'just works' |
| 04:07.09 | acu | dclarke: I thought that the gentle reminder from abrotman about the Enter was for me :) |
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| 04:07.47 | acu | Emotional Inteligence is twice as much as important as IQ and technical skills - combined - go figure... |
| 04:08.12 | abrotman | both of you actually |
| 04:08.42 | acu | Thank you - and the EI comment was for you :) |
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| 04:09.35 | dclarke | acu: I'm a social moron but I can compile the OpenSolaris kernel .. |
| 04:09.43 | acu | lol |
| 04:09.55 | dclarke | I know that I am not helping my case |
| 04:10.49 | acu | well there are a lot of emotional challenged people around here - but we are all still made up in hurry as kludges :) |
| 04:11.10 | abrotman | okay .. #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:11.56 | dclarke | okay .. right .. I have this now SHA256(debian-squeeze-di-beta1-amd64-netinst.iso)= 76e835a9c8cd2cdb7eff10d43082c6acae66b171791ca6047a1e64fefb84a8f9 |
| 04:12.12 | dclarke | I'll be gone for an hour or so as I backup my home dir and then install |
| 04:12.20 | abrotman | dclarke: use a daily, not beta1 |
| 04:12.28 | dclarke | oh ... |
| 04:12.30 | acu | amen |
| 04:12.31 | abrotman | i said that what .. five times ? |
| 04:12.36 | dclarke | great .. where do I find that ? |
| 04:12.42 | abrotman | same page, further down |
| 04:12.47 | dclarke | you're killing me |
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| 04:13.48 | acu | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 04:15.15 | dclarke | runs wget .. again |
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| 04:19.48 | acu | dclarke: there are two driver systems - OSS and ALSA - you cannot have the same the same at the same time - ALSA can emulate OSS for applications which requires OSS so you have to make sure that you have only one rounding - so you have ALSA (more modern) or OSS --- then you have Sound servers arts - esound, jack - also you need to have only one sound server - arts starts when kde starts - so esound starts when gnome sessions - when |
| 04:19.48 | acu | you use not gnome files - Jack is the professional sound server |
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| 04:22.25 | simonrvn | and jack usually demands a rt kernel |
| 04:22.43 | d1b | hi guys what's the thing i need to run to modify a package version that i will local compile ? |
| 04:22.47 | d1b | like just bump it |
| 04:23.01 | acu | dclarke: I hope you got it - I reread what I wrote and show that is late :) bottom line ALSA or OSS - arts or esound - and simonrvn is right |
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| 04:23.13 | dclarke | acu: squeeze solves all that I think |
| 04:23.14 | simonrvn | get src package, edit debian/changelog |
| 04:23.23 | d1b | simonrvn: there is a thing that automagically does it for me |
| 04:23.29 | simonrvn | and artsd is only in kde 3.x |
| 04:23.29 | d1b | i forget its name :( |
| 04:23.35 | simonrvn | rtkit |
| 04:23.35 | acu | most of the time - but if you thinker too much and install everything because is free it can screw the system - |
| 04:23.49 | simonrvn | it does it to pa too |
| 04:23.49 | acu | you need to know that you need only one - |
| 04:23.52 | dclarke | notes that |
| 04:24.15 | dclarke | however I will probably build the latest alsa |
| 04:24.42 | simonrvn | "rtkit-daemon[XXXXX]: Successfully made thread 4647 of process YYYYY ((unreachable)/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by ..." |
| 04:25.13 | acu | dclarke: I think you are just a tad too smart for you to get something running and make it work fast - but have fun :) |
| 04:26.13 | dclarke | acu: I have been accused of many things, never convicted, but beeing too smart was nothing I hear often |
| 04:26.25 | d1b | simonrvn: you don't know the command do you ? dh_??? i think |
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| 04:27.15 | acu | how can I clean all the syslogs, qemu logs and dmesg (I know that needs reboot) - I run kvm libvirt and the VM freeze and I do not know why |
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| 04:27.49 | d1b | debchange ^ ^ |
| 04:27.50 | d1b | got it |
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| 04:31.41 | simonrvn | d1b: no debhelper involved in editing the changelog |
| 04:32.16 | d1b | simonrvn: i wanted it to do it for me ^ ^ |
| 04:32.19 | d1b | debchange -i |
| 04:32.19 | acu | dclarke: once everything runs - you should try audacity for recording and stuff - it is preety impresive - and helps you identify what is working and what options you have with regard to harder - but it is kind of cool app |
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| 04:34.44 | dclarke | acu: I'm going to burn this .. then drop off as I do a backup and then .. hopefully back in an hour or so |
| 04:35.00 | acu | good luck |
| 04:35.25 | acu | Probably I will sleep by then - but there are gurus lurking around who are better than me for sure :) |
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| 04:51.29 | ronsunn | after using rsync to backup a ext3 fs to a ext2 thumbdrive, i cannot mount the thumbdrive as ext3. why? |
| 04:52.02 | Bop | if it is ext2 , mount as ext2 , dont u think ? |
| 04:53.44 | ronsunn | Bop, but i have already backup a ext3 fs to it, the .journal was copied over. i want all fs, original and backup, to be ext3. using tune2fs the only way? |
| 04:54.24 | Bop | yeah , convert all to ext3 |
| 04:55.35 | ronsunn | Bop: that sounds like double work. |
| 04:57.25 | ronsunn | initially, my hd was ext2. i use tune2fs to convert it to ext3. i would a backup of this hd fs to be ext3, don't u think so? |
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| 04:58.36 | Bop | dunno |
| 04:58.43 | Bop | never converted |
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| 05:03.06 | dclarke | can someone confirm that the SHA256 sum for debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:03.20 | dclarke | can someone confirm that the SHA256 sum for debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ is correct ? |
| 05:03.26 | dclarke | I get a diff value |
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| 05:04.19 | dclarke | openssl dgst -sha256 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso reports something totally different |
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| 05:05.45 | Kuukunen | hi... I'm using debian lenny... how do I remove the default installation of apache? the apache2 package doesn't seem to be it |
| 05:06.05 | Kuukunen | or could it be it's because it's some silly ovh-modded debian |
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| 05:06.44 | KB1JWQ | apt-cache likely holds the answers, Kuukunen |
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| 05:09.16 | Kuukunen | KB1JWQ: apt-cache search -installed apache ? |
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| 05:09.27 | Kuukunen | oh damn... I'm getting 100 packages :| |
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| 05:10.08 | Kuukunen | would it break everything if I just compile apache myself and make install it? |
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| 05:13.19 | peterrooney | Kuukunen: probably not, if the original was fully uninstalled first |
| 05:13.40 | Kuukunen | peterrooney: but that's the problem, I'm trying to uninstall it :P |
| 05:14.15 | dclarke | peterrooney: you can always compile apache yourself just be sure that it goes into /usr/local or /opt/apache and you won't have issues |
| 05:14.26 | dclarke | regardless if there is some other apache around or not |
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| 05:14.51 | dclarke | just be sure that you run only one unless you really really know what you are doing |
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| 05:18.53 | project2501b | Kuukunen: apache2 has split into multiple packages. |
| 05:18.59 | project2501b | what you want is apache2-mpm |
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| 05:19.10 | project2501b | which will take out a bunch of other packages, like php |
| 05:19.11 | Kuukunen | project2501b: k, so that's what it was |
| 05:20.00 | project2501b | just wondering: why is the default package not good enough for you? |
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| 05:22.01 | Kuukunen | project2501b: I'm having a very weird problem with it |
| 05:22.18 | Kuukunen | any request I do only returns the first 16KB of any file I ask from it |
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| 05:22.34 | Kuukunen | and I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is wrong |
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| 05:23.33 | Kuukunen | so... just now I purged the whole thing, moved /etc/apache2 elswhere and tried with default installation and the same thing happens |
| 05:23.47 | Kuukunen | I start to wonder if it's nginx's fault that I have fronting apache :P |
| 05:24.04 | karthick87 | How to stop the daemon during bootup? |
| 05:24.30 | project2501b | karthick87: update-rc.d stop <deamon-name> all |
| 05:24.47 | project2501b | Kuukunen: you could put apache in debug mode, mate |
| 05:24.53 | Kuukunen | how's that work? :P |
| 05:24.55 | project2501b | no need to remove the default installation. |
| 05:25.04 | project2501b | let me see... google is my friend |
| 05:25.14 | Kuukunen | too late tho, I already did |
| 05:25.25 | karthick87 | project2501b: pm? |
| 05:25.28 | project2501b | no |
| 05:25.29 | project2501b | no pm |
| 05:25.40 | project2501b | in the channel. this is not #ubuntu |
| 05:25.40 | Kuukunen | altho... I'm getting more and more convinvced it's nginx thing, since if I DON'T front it, it works |
| 05:25.54 | Kuukunen | (but nginx itself works just fine) |
| 05:25.59 | Kuukunen | but this is getting off-topic |
| 05:26.12 | project2501b | well, apparently it doesn't |
| 05:26.59 | project2501b | apt-cache says i was right. debian rocks: there's apache2-dbg, which will allow you to run the debug symbols |
| 05:27.05 | project2501b | erh, s/run/load/ |
| 05:27.24 | Kuukunen | ok, I'll try to remember that next time |
| 05:27.30 | Kuukunen | but while doing that, I solved the issue |
| 05:27.42 | project2501b | start a single instance of apache with the debug symbols, either on the console or via dbg |
| 05:27.51 | project2501b | and turn on all logging |
| 05:27.52 | project2501b | yeah? |
| 05:27.54 | project2501b | what was it? |
| 05:27.56 | Kuukunen | when I was trying to solve another issue yesterday, apparently I changed nginx to run as www-data |
| 05:28.03 | Kuukunen | (and forgot all about that) |
| 05:28.04 | project2501b | nice :P |
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| 05:28.12 | karthick87 | project2501b: I dont want the daemon to boot at startup instead i want to start it manually.What's the command for that |
| 05:28.15 | karthick87 | ? |
| 05:28.17 | project2501b | Kuukunen: git/hg is your friend. |
| 05:28.43 | Kuukunen | project2501b: yes... I seriously just started wondering if I should start using that on configs and stuff ... |
| 05:28.49 | project2501b | karthick87: remove the daemon from the boot process using update-rc.d . start daemon with full path after you boot up. |
| 05:28.55 | project2501b | Kuukunen: check out etckeeper |
| 05:29.18 | project2501b | remember kids: friends do not let friends install ubuntu. |
| 05:29.53 | Kuukunen | (also off-topic, but the issue yesterday was when everything on both nginx and apache were suddenly throwing 403 and it was caused because misuse of rsync chmodded my home dir) |
| 05:30.23 | project2501b | yeah rsync is a loaded gun. |
| 05:30.34 | Kuukunen | learned that all right |
| 05:30.47 | Kuukunen | it took me hours to solve too |
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| 05:30.52 | project2501b | wait till you forget that trailing slash |
| 05:30.58 | project2501b | and it all goes to shit |
| 05:31.04 | project2501b | s/shit/mierda/ |
| 05:31.09 | project2501b | s/mierda/skata/ |
| 05:31.17 | Kuukunen | now I just have to figure out how to install all related apache mods etc :P |
| 05:31.25 | project2501b | um |
| 05:31.36 | project2501b | why don't you just put back apache2-mpm? |
| 05:31.36 | blackshirt | hello every body, i have problem here.. i have internet connection that works nice.. but, i can't access one address, exactly ubuntu-indonesia.com.. other address works normally.. can anyone here can help me ? |
| 05:31.59 | Kuukunen | project2501b: I did, but I think it removed some other stuff too |
| 05:32.00 | project2501b | blackshirt: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 05:32.30 | project2501b | Kuukunen: well, re-install it and install any other packages you need. php, ruby, etc etc |
| 05:32.34 | blackshirt | project2501b: i'm running debian lenny.. i just can't access that site.. |
| 05:32.48 | blackshirt | other sites works normally |
| 05:33.10 | project2501b | blackshirt: works for me. |
| 05:33.17 | project2501b | it might be blocked in your country |
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| 05:33.46 | blackshirt | project2501b: yeah, a lot people says works normally..but not for me.. |
| 05:33.59 | blackshirt | i can't ping that site too |
| 05:34.04 | project2501b | don't know what to tell you |
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| 05:34.33 | cirwin | blackshirt: can you get an ip address for it? |
| 05:34.53 | project2501b | hm. brainfart, indeed. cirwin is quite right |
| 05:35.15 | karthick87 | project2501b: What you mean by start daemon with full path? |
| 05:35.34 | project2501b | blackshirt: the ip for that site is 113.197.35.151 |
| 05:35.41 | project2501b | see if you can access it via that |
| 05:35.45 | blackshirt | project2501b: when i use dns address from my provider, i can't get resolve that address, but when i change to opendns, i can reach it.. |
| 05:36.01 | project2501b | karthick87: /usr/path/to/daemon |
| 05:36.03 | cirwin | well there you go then.. |
| 05:36.09 | blackshirt | project2501b: yeah, this my output with opendns server http://pastebin.com/1sZDfjs2 |
| 05:36.14 | project2501b | blackshirt: there you go. |
| 05:36.17 | cirwin | it's a broken (either deliberately or accidentally) DNS server |
| 05:36.23 | project2501b | yeah |
| 05:37.00 | karthick87 | project2501b: for example squid..So how? |
| 05:37.19 | project2501b | /usr/sbin/squid |
| 05:37.28 | blackshirt | but, when i put this ip address on address bar, it not resolv to ubuntu-indonesia, but to other sites.. look at this http://img560.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img560/6821/screenshotp0.png |
| 05:38.05 | cirwin | that's normal for virtual hosting |
| 05:38.08 | project2501b | yup |
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| 05:38.12 | cirwin | just add the ip address to your hosts file |
| 05:38.13 | project2501b | needs the dns entry |
| 05:38.18 | cirwin | and use the hostname |
| 05:38.26 | cirwin | /etc/hosts |
| 05:38.42 | project2501b | another satisfied customer! |
| 05:38.59 | project2501b | all we need now is some cynical sayings from abrotman |
| 05:39.08 | project2501b | s/saying/plhems/ |
| 05:39.15 | blackshirt | cirwin: you mean add 113.197.35.151 to /etc/hosts as ubuntu-indonesia.com |
| 05:39.18 | blackshirt | ?? |
| 05:39.27 | cirwin | yes |
| 05:39.30 | project2501b | yes |
| 05:39.47 | blackshirt | cirwin : wait a minute, i will try that |
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| 05:40.07 | karthick87 | project2501b: I am getting an error update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/stop: file does not exist |
| 05:40.26 | project2501b | karthick87: man update-rc.d |
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| 05:41.52 | Caelum | is there a linux utility on live cds to scan for bad sectors? |
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| 05:43.05 | jellow | hello i'm on debian squeeze , I've installed ath9k via 'wireless-tools' yet when i bring pan0 up ( I presume is the wireless interface nm-applet does not pick it up) the usb wifi's Manufacturer: NETGEAR WNA |
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| 05:44.47 | project2501b | Caelum: yes. fsck |
| 05:45.03 | blackshirt1 | irwin & project2502b : not working.. still the same |
| 05:45.13 | Caelum | project2501b: there's no fsck for ntfs though, I just need to scan for bad sectors |
| 05:46.05 | project2501b | Caelum: not all cds will have ntfs support. you need to download the cd for squeeze, go for recovery and load the ntfs modules |
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| 05:46.41 | Caelum | there's no fsck for ntfs |
| 05:46.48 | Caelum | there's ntfs support, but no fsck |
| 05:46.49 | cirwin | blackshirt1: are you visiting it by IP or hostname? |
| 05:46.59 | cirwin | have you restarted your browser to clear its dns cache? |
| 05:47.14 | cirwin | what exactly did you put into /etc/hosts |
| 05:47.47 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: i have try both with ip and name |
| 05:48.02 | cirwin | what happens when you visit by name? |
| 05:48.08 | cirwin | that's the only thing that should now work |
| 05:48.22 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: i add this on /etc/hosts : 113.197.35.151ubuntu-indonesia.com |
| 05:48.28 | cirwin | ok, that looks right |
| 05:48.42 | Kuukunen | project2501b: ...actually I just realized I've now spent ~10 hours on solving problems that were caused by other problems just because I mistyped one rsync command line |
| 05:48.48 | blackshirt1 | when by name, say : This webpage is not available. |
| 05:48.57 | cirwin | ok — did you restart the browser? |
| 05:49.10 | blackshirt1 | cirwin, okey..wait a minute |
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| 05:51.13 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: still not working.. i have try other browser, iceweasel and midori..same problem., i don't know why :-( |
| 05:51.23 | cirwin | very odd indeed |
| 05:51.32 | cirwin | are you going through a proxy? |
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| 05:52.17 | blackshirt1 | no.. i use usb modem to connect internet.. |
| 05:52.24 | cirwin | ok |
| 05:52.33 | cirwin | I'm afraid I have no more ideas, sorry |
| 05:52.33 | blackshirt1 | i think proxy was on the provider s |
| 05:52.40 | project2501b | Kuukunen: congrats, you are an rsync veteran now |
| 05:53.19 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: thanks a lot..can you advice me, why this happen ?? my friend get working normally |
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| 05:53.47 | cirwin | if you can ping the IP address that's in your hosts file |
| 05:53.49 | peterrooney | Kuukunen: that's why I have all my rsyncs in a makefile |
| 05:53.59 | cirwin | and you can ping the hostname, because it's in your hosts file |
| 05:54.07 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: i no have dns server, proxy, firewall or other |
| 05:54.20 | cirwin | you have no dns server?! |
| 05:55.07 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: i think bind9 server installed on my system |
| 05:55.21 | blackshirt1 | pign with ip address working normally |
| 05:55.33 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: i mean ping |
| 05:55.52 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: sorry, i no have bind9 server installed on my system.. |
| 05:56.01 | blackshirt1 | cirwin: this is my personal pc |
| 05:57.16 | blackshirt1 | uffffw.. this so scaried |
| 05:58.25 | blackshirt1 | anybody can help me ? |
| 06:03.04 | cirwin | oh ok |
| 06:03.29 | cirwin | if opendns works for you, you could just configure your dns to use that all the time? |
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| 07:56.17 | irishgnu | Hi, I want to install debian testing on my machine and I'm a bit confused. Why are there many dvd-s for i386...like dvd1, dvd2,dvd3....etc. Which one do I get? |
| 07:56.53 | nsadmin | ok, so you want to install testing |
| 07:57.17 | nsadmin | do you have a nice fast internet connection? |
| 07:57.19 | peterrooney | irishgnu: there's so many dvds because there's tens of thousands of packages available |
| 07:57.45 | irishgnu | Yes...a friend showed me debian on his laptop and loved it... |
| 07:57.53 | peterrooney | irishgnu: if you have a network connection, the netinst cd is enough to start; you only download those packages you specify once base install is done |
| 07:58.07 | nsadmin | you don't need the dvds to install (you may or may not want them for other reasons, but it's generally considered a waste of (donated) bandwidth |
| 07:58.26 | irishgnu | My connection is not so great. |
| 07:58.34 | Zambezi | This require restart of X or reboot of the computer? I don't want to kill X atm. Messages when trying to use mplayer: Version mismatch detected between the NVIDIA libGL.so || and libGLcore.so shared libraries (libGL.so version: || 195.36.15; libGLcore.so version: 195.36.31). || Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. |
| 07:59.10 | nsadmin | if you reinstall nvidia, you would need to restart to use the driver |
| 07:59.46 | nsadmin | irishgnu, how many kbytes/sec do you average? |
| 07:59.57 | nsadmin | and, what kind of connection do you have? |
| 07:59.59 | irishgnu | And what should I get, the first dvd? will it have also desktop managers like kde, gnome, lxde? |
| 07:59.59 | Zambezi | nsadmin: It came with latest full-upgrade in Squeeze. Uptime 108 days, not happend before. |
| 08:00.19 | irishgnu | nsadmin: It's a pppoe type, 100kb right now. |
| 08:00.31 | nsadmin | that's not horrible... |
| 08:00.35 | peterrooney | irishgnu: if the target machine has little, poor, or no network connectivity, DVD 1 is enough for almost all users and their engineers |
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| 08:01.06 | nsadmin | so the question is can you get pppoe going in the installer |
| 08:01.11 | irishgnu | No |
| 08:01.20 | irishgnu | I tried...that's why I want to get the dvd. |
| 08:01.23 | nsadmin | do you have your pppoe username and pw handy? |
| 08:01.29 | irishgnu | Yes... |
| 08:01.45 | irishgnu | I have the username and password, but if I do pppoeconf....there's no such package. |
| 08:01.53 | nsadmin | peterrooney, what do you think? |
| 08:02.31 | irishgnu | I initially got a cd, in order not to waste the bandwith....but couldn't set it up...and had also no desktop manager...like gnome, etc... |
| 08:02.50 | peterrooney | irishgnu: that's a workable speed for a net install; don't know about PPPoE myself (never had hands on experience), but perhpas see http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE for |
| 08:02.52 | nsadmin | the netinst? |
| 08:04.07 | irishgnu | I consulted the wiki...but no luck. |
| 08:04.20 | peterrooney | nsadmin: yep, turns out the netinst has pppoe options available at boot time. who knew? |
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| 08:04.46 | nsadmin | so we could try it |
| 08:04.56 | nsadmin | a lenny netinst maybe? |
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| 08:05.17 | irishgnu | And another thing, what do you think I should go for lenny or squeeze? |
| 08:05.38 | nsadmin | then if he reboots and it establishes his connection, he could then upgrade |
| 08:05.50 | nsadmin | I'd start with lenny netinst |
| 08:06.06 | nsadmin | just so we can try this once |
| 08:06.39 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys pppoe |
| 08:06.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pppoe' by key (10): sample pppoe config #del# ;; pppoeconf ;; netinstall over pppoe ;; pppoe ;; #debian pppoe ;; _default pppoe ;; sarge pppoe netinst #del# ;; #debian pppoeconf ;; _default pppoeconf ;; pppoe install. |
| 08:06.41 | nsadmin | but you say you tried it? coudl you say more? |
| 08:07.06 | nsadmin | !pppoe install |
| 08:07.06 | dpkg | To install Debian via PPPoE, append 'modules=ppp-udeb' to the Debian Installer boot line (e.g. installgui modules=ppp-udeb). Alternatively, select ppp-udeb from the "Load installer components from CD" option (when at medium or lower debconf priority) within Debian-Installer. This method is not available for <netboot> or <boot floppies>. See also <pppoe>, <install guide>. |
| 08:07.35 | irishgnu | nsadmin: I tried pppoeconf....and it say'd command not found....or something like that. |
| 08:07.40 | nsadmin | got it... |
| 08:07.48 | irishgnu | I was able to set it up by doing the same thing, pppoeconf in ubuntu. |
| 08:07.53 | nsadmin | irishgnu, read that last thing |
| 08:07.58 | peterrooney | which leads us to... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html |
| 08:08.26 | peterrooney | why is it every day there turns out to be even more to learn about debian? |
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| 08:08.43 | irishgnu | Ohhh thanks guys. |
| 08:08.52 | nsadmin | too many developers thinking we don't have enough to learn :P |
| 08:09.03 | irishgnu | And is there a way to configure MTU? |
| 08:09.22 | nsadmin | mtu will usually be configured to max, 1500 |
| 08:09.51 | irishgnu | But I have to manual configure it, else my connection will drop. |
| 08:09.56 | nsadmin | but yes, you can get in there and tinker |
| 08:10.05 | irishgnu | I'll google it and see. |
| 08:10.08 | nsadmin | what do you have in the way of an install cd? |
| 08:10.38 | KB1JWQ | I can do in-place upgrades between major versions of debian, correct? |
| 08:11.43 | irishgnu | nsadmin: I asked about mtu because if I not set it up, if I try to get gnome or something else, my connection will randomly drop... |
| 08:13.01 | irishgnu | Well thanks, I have some packages to download. See you! |
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| 08:15.40 | peterrooney | KB1JWQ: it's been done; with the following caveat: |
| 08:15.53 | peterrooney | dpkg: squeeze upgrade test |
| 08:15.54 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
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| 08:18.59 | nsadmin | I don't think that test has a great deal of validity |
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| 08:20.26 | peterrooney | nor do i, but it's somtehing taht should be given at least a second to pause and think about. |
| 08:21.11 | peterrooney | personally, i think that factoid is unnecessarily snarky |
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| 08:30.54 | KB1JWQ | peterrooney: I'm more concerned with what happens when 6.0 goes gold. |
| 08:31.04 | KB1JWQ | Testing doesn't hold much appeal to me. |
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| 08:33.45 | dutchfish | hi, i have a setup where a small kvm target is started on the client wich then boots a desktop over pxe. I formerly have used casper with squashfs which worked pretty well (Debian/etch), i have dist-upgraded my target-image to lenny and also its acompanied nfs and squash into a selfbuild kernel. That works exept every now and then i got a corrupted /etc/ld.so.cache on the target image. How to debug that? |
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| 08:35.44 | peterrooney | KB1JWQ: shouldn't be any harder than editing sources.list, updating, and aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 08:36.43 | nsadmin | KB1JWQ: first, make sure your sources.list has "lenny" (if that's what you're running now) and not "stable", otherwise you're in for some surprises when you try to upgrade after release |
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| 08:39.05 | nsadmin | there are actually a few preparatory steps that are generally recommended, and three of those are... 1, make sure your lenny is uptodate; 2, switch sources.list to squeeze and then aptitude install dpkg apt aptitude; and 3, upgrade kernel then reboot |
| 08:39.38 | nsadmin | after that just run a safe upgrade then a dist upgrade |
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| 08:43.19 | safinaskar | i have debian squeeze, kde. i have 2 layouts: russian and english. i can switch between layouts by alt-shift in x. but why? my x settings are in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, and there is no something about layout in it. in my kde setting layouts are disabled. why layouts work? how to disable they? |
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| 08:43.43 | eth01 | out of curiosity where is the openssl path in debian? is it /etc/ssl/ ? |
| 08:44.19 | dutchfish | safinaskar: you can setup that in kde's configuration pane, section advanced. |
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| 08:45.57 | dutchfish | safinaskar: configuration settings -> pane advanced |
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| 08:47.26 | safinaskar | dutchfish, what is it? my settings is System Settings/General/Personal/Regional & Language/Keyboard Layout/Layout |
| 08:48.04 | safinaskar | dutchfish, you use KDE3, don't you? |
| 08:48.20 | dutchfish | safinaskar: kde4 on squeeze |
| 08:49.12 | dutchfish | safinaskar: drill down further to keyboard layout_> switching options |
| 08:49.57 | dutchfish | safinaskar: there you can switch shortcuts to none |
| 08:50.22 | dutchfish | safinaskar: you have prolly alternative shortcuts set to something |
| 08:50.51 | safinaskar | dutchfish, ok, i understand. but in "switching options" all are disabled |
| 08:51.34 | safinaskar | there is "disable keyboard layouts" in "keyboard layout/layout". |
| 08:51.39 | dutchfish | safinaskar: do you have global or other policy active? |
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| 08:52.14 | a1fa | has anyone used tasksel in the past? |
| 08:52.18 | a1fa | err.. taskset |
| 08:53.10 | safinaskar | dutchfish, what is policy active? do you mean that root enabled layouts? oh, no. i'm root |
| 08:53.53 | dutchfish | safinaskar: i see what you mean, disable shortcuts aparently is not honoured while shortcuts are set to other then none in switching options. |
| 08:54.46 | dutchfish | safinaskar: no with policy i ment switching options -> switching policy |
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| 08:56.43 | safinaskar | dutchfish, i selected "enable keyboard layouts", then deleted russian layout, and then all became ok. thanks |
| 08:57.27 | dutchfish | safinaskar: ok. I believe now, that this sub-configuration pane is not working as it should .... mmmmm |
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| 08:59.28 | dclarke | on the far outside chance that anyone is here .. that was here 2 hours ago .. I have updated to 'squeeze' and still audio does not work |
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| 09:03.27 | dutchfish | dclarke: i will give it a shot.... lspci | grep Audio ? |
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| 09:03.55 | superlinux | hi. I have a password encryprted as follows : VU9QVktJRVZHMzM4N2taUmNzVldBY1BuZEFtZXZsYXc what format would it be? md5 or what? |
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| 09:04.11 | dclarke | dutchfish: well if you are very very brave |
| 09:04.34 | yoshio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.45 | dutchfish | dclarke: i am not brave but want to help ;) |
| 09:05.24 | dclarke | $ aplay --list-devices |
| 09:05.29 | dclarke | card 0: XFi [Creative X-Fi], device 0: ctxfi [Front/WaveIn] |
| 09:05.32 | dclarke | etc etc |
| 09:05.41 | dclarke | see http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=bd15fb394a723366525da685edc84e18207c3e66 |
| 09:05.45 | dclarke | that says it all |
| 09:06.05 | dutchfish | dclarke: please give me the output of: lspci | grep Audio |
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| 09:06.21 | dclarke | dutchfish: null |
| 09:06.25 | dclarke | dutchfish: nothing |
| 09:06.53 | dclarke | however lower case audio says |
| 09:06.54 | dclarke | 01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi |
| 09:07.07 | dutchfish | dclarke: ok |
| 09:07.12 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.17 | yoshio | lspci |grep udio |
| 09:07.17 | dclarke | gives a pile of things |
| 09:07.24 | yoshio | oops |
| 09:07.31 | dclarke | snd_page_alloc 6249 2 snd_ctxfi,snd_pcm |
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| 09:07.35 | dclarke | that sort of thing |
| 09:08.22 | dclarke | anyways .. I have worked on this for about 8 hours and while this seems to make sound just fine with Win 7 and with Knoppix ( apples and cows comparison I know ) it sure does notwith lenny or squeeze .. thus far |
| 09:08.52 | yoshio | dclarke, install alsa says "You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications on Lenny." - is artsd or esd stopped? |
| 09:09.22 | dclarke | artsd is not running |
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| 09:10.23 | yoshio | artsd is kde I think |
| 09:10.41 | dclarke | yeah .. and now that I switched to squeeze I am back on gnome |
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| 09:12.06 | dclarke | oh well .. its quarter after 4 in the morning .. I'm calling it a night |
| 09:12.18 | dutchfish | dclarke: pretty obvious, but, have you added that non-root user to the audio group? |
| 09:12.20 | dclarke | I have not really lost anything here ... and I did upgrade |
| 09:12.25 | dclarke | yep |
| 09:12.37 | yoshio | http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi |
| 09:12.39 | dclarke | id says uid=16411(dclarke) gid=1002(csw) groups=1002(csw),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video) |
| 09:12.44 | dclarke | yeah .. been there also |
| 09:12.53 | dutchfish | ok |
| 09:13.04 | dclarke | like I say .. I have been at this 8 hours |
| 09:13.30 | yoshio | you did logout/login after adding yourself to audio? |
| 09:13.42 | dclarke | yep |
| 09:14.03 | dclarke | I even tried to build all of alsa from sources and ddid that very well too |
| 09:14.24 | dclarke | see http://www.pastethat.com/PIGuk |
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| 09:14.49 | dclarke | then I formatted the machine .. blanked the disks and installed squeeze |
| 09:14.54 | dclarke | this is a fresh install .. |
| 09:15.00 | dclarke | still ... no audio |
| 09:15.04 | dclarke | pretty frustrating |
| 09:15.19 | yoshio | are you on 64bit? |
| 09:15.24 | dclarke | yep |
| 09:15.47 | dclarke | cat /proc/version says Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-28) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:02:11 UTC 2010 |
| 09:15.53 | dutchfish | i am on 64bit too and have working sound over alsa, had it out of the box |
| 09:16.09 | dclarke | yep .. seems everyone does .. except me :-) |
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| 09:18.07 | dutchfish | dclarke: does speaker-test run? |
| 09:19.01 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.06 | dclarke | runs fine |
| 09:19.09 | dclarke | makes no audio |
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| 09:19.20 | dclarke | bizarre really ... |
| 09:19.26 | dclarke | and I did check cables :-) |
| 09:19.47 | dutchfish | dclarke: have you checked mixer settings are not disabled or at 0 in kde/gnome? |
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| 09:20.33 | dclarke | I ran alsamixer and set the audio to 80% |
| 09:21.00 | dutchfish | dclarke: have you installed or running other mixers? |
| 09:21.22 | dclarke | nope |
| 09:21.28 | dclarke | this is a frese install |
| 09:21.33 | dclarke | I mean .. 30 minutes old |
| 09:21.50 | dutchfish | dclarke: on kde4 atm? |
| 09:21.51 | dclarke | sorry .. 1 hour now |
| 09:21.55 | dclarke | nope .. gnome |
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| 09:22.36 | dclarke | I think I'll give up for now |
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| 09:22.44 | dclarke | I may build updated drivers tomorrow |
| 09:22.57 | dclarke | but it is 04:25 AM and that is it for me |
| 09:23.03 | zophy | dclarke, give up for now |
| 09:23.04 | dclarke | dutchfish: thank you for trying |
| 09:23.18 | dutchfish | dclarke: well, what can i say other then good luck and sleep well |
| 09:23.26 | dclarke | I think that the issue must be driver related |
| 09:23.40 | dclarke | tomorrow .. later today I mean .. is another day |
| 09:23.48 | dutchfish | :) |
| 09:23.50 | dclarke | nighty and thanks for playing |
| 09:23.54 | dutchfish | gn |
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| 09:24.31 | dclarke | vanishes silently .... |
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| 09:24.56 | zophy | dclarke, run lspci and lsmod and see if you have a driver for the pci device |
| 09:25.52 | dutchfish | zophy: he already has and has a driver in place and running |
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| 09:29.39 | EddiX | Hi! Just installed squeeze and I have an ext4 partition /mnt/data for my media files etc. How can I give my user all permissions for the partition? |
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| 09:35.11 | streuner__ | ssj6akshat: #ubuntu |
| 09:35.46 | ssj6akshat | streuner__, i wanted to consult debian people on changing the package description |
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| 09:44.33 | EddiX | Ok, I figured it out by myself, just run sudo chown <username> /mnt/data ;) |
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| 10:32.28 | dutchfish | otibom: yes |
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| 10:40.17 | otibom | dutchfish: i had to mount it manually this time. does it work with hard drives too ? |
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| 10:43.04 | visof | hello |
| 10:43.12 | visof | is there anyone here using wmii ? |
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| 10:44.09 | rudi_s | !tell visof about ask |
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| 10:45.22 | visof | ok, i'm using wmii wm how can i add above statusbar ? |
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| 10:50.13 | pmo | visof what is wmii ?? |
| 10:50.34 | visof | pmo: window manager |
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| 10:55.18 | EddiX | Does anyone know an up-to-date guide for installing codecs? I could only find this one: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs but it says it's "terribly out-of-date". |
| 10:56.32 | EddiX | And I use Squeeze by the way |
| 10:56.44 | skamikaze | EddiX: did you search for gstreamer plugins? |
| 10:56.55 | skamikaze | (ugly, bad, ...) |
| 10:57.15 | dutchfish | otibom: normally harddrives are automounted in /media by there volume name. |
| 10:57.47 | dutchfish | otibom: if you ment usb drives |
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| 10:59.02 | EddiX | skamikaze: Actually I want pretty much them all: gstreamer, lame, dvd playback, wma, divx etc... |
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| 11:00.18 | skamikaze | EddiX: gstreamer is a plugin framework providing a lot of what you mentioned |
| 11:00.36 | dutchfish | EddiX: debian is restrictive in codecs by GPL, if you want other you could use http://debian-multimedia.org/ as an extra repo. |
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| 11:02.01 | EddiX | skamikaze: Ok, I really don't know much about gstreamer, even though it sounds like it could accomplish most of what I need. I'm gonna look into debian.multimedia.org as well. Thanks! |
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| 11:02.39 | EddiX | dutchfish: Thanks for the info! |
| 11:02.48 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 11:28.52 | mrcarrot | with debian squeeze ltspfs is broken... it only mounts in /tmp/.username but never maps it to /media |
| 11:28.59 | mrcarrot | do you have any suggestion or workaround for this problem? |
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| 11:29.24 | mrcarrot | it has been broken in the same way in lenny-backports for very long time too |
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| 11:30.51 | pmo | 1.5 and 3.0 can work together ? |
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| 11:31.16 | pmo | 1.5 and 3.0 sata can work together ? |
| 11:31.59 | Gad | Anyone know why ssh logins to a host would have stopped working recently? I can connect to the host locally, but all remote ssh connections time out and don't get a request for public keys. |
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| 11:33.09 | petemc | Gad: you have something doing port forwarding? |
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| 11:33.23 | Gad | I can see messages for the connections come up in auth.log, but there's nothing be rejected. The last message I see is "sshd[26667]: debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-5+b1" |
| 11:33.43 | Gad | petemc: not for the connections I'm testing. They're all on the same lan. |
| 11:33.51 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 11:33.51 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 11:35.53 | pmo | sata 1.5 and 3.0 sata can work together ? |
| 11:36.09 | Gad | petemc: cheers for that. The "slow ssh connect" one was the fix :) |
| 11:37.40 | Gad | petemc: Never needed that option in the past, no idea why it's needed now, but everything's working again. |
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| 11:48.44 | d1b | hi guys im getting this |
| 11:48.46 | d1b | E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for libvirt: Installed package dpkg-dev is too new |
| 11:48.49 | d1b | any ideas? |
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| 11:52.26 | pmo | apt-get update |
| 11:52.40 | pmo | d1b apt-get update |
| 11:52.46 | pmo | sata 1.5 and 3.0 sata can work together ? |
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| 11:53.32 | epsilon | no in the moment you connect them, it will self-destruct with an explosion |
| 11:54.10 | pmo | it is barely exactly what it does |
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| 11:55.13 | pmo | i stripped over 2 sata 1.5 hard disk.. and for some odd reason after 7 hours.. got hard reset link.. between one of 1.5 sata and 3.0 |
| 11:57.36 | pmo | i have the overall impression this is due to 3.0 / 1.5 mix.. could be jmicron (supposed to handle IDE, little chance) or ahaci.. but had the same issue with ata_piix driver too |
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| 11:58.18 | pmo | i guess you can't strip over one 1.5 and one 3.0 hard disk ? |
| 11:58.25 | d1b | pmo: i did |
| 11:58.31 | d1b | didn't help |
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| 11:59.38 | pmo | d1b, reinstall dpkg-dev ? |
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| 12:04.58 | d1b | pmo: maybe... |
| 12:04.59 | d1b | not sure |
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| 12:12.17 | d1b | erh ... |
| 12:12.26 | d1b | abrotman: are you here maybe you know? |
| 12:12.33 | d1b | E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for libvirt: Installed package dpkg-dev is too new |
| 12:13.12 | abrotman | and the build-deps are? |
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| 12:14.06 | d1b | Ah it doesn't exist... |
| 12:14.07 | d1b | um |
| 12:14.13 | d1b | what the ...? |
| 12:14.22 | d1b | why doesn't it say "package not found..." |
| 12:14.37 | abrotman | maybe the candidate is too new ? |
| 12:14.43 | d1b | abrotman: it doesn't exist |
| 12:14.53 | d1b | there is no libvirt, there is libvirt0 etc. |
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| 12:15.41 | d1b | abrotman: but there is a source package libvirt |
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| 12:23.54 | babilen | Anybody know which gstreamer plugin package I have to install in order to play WMA2 files? |
| 12:24.19 | skamikaze | i'd bet $2 on ugly |
| 12:24.21 | skamikaze | :P |
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| 12:26.27 | abrotman | babilen: i'd start with bad .. |
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| 12:27.51 | babilen | skamikaze: I have that installed already (along with -really-ugly and some others). Still, Rhythmbox struggles with http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3.asx |
| 12:27.54 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net/101552/ |
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| 12:28.50 | babilen | (Alternatively a flac/ogg/mp3/.. stream address for bbc radio) |
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| 12:29.43 | babilen | I might ask the gstreamer people which plugin I might need, but I thought I'll try #d first :) |
| 12:29.50 | abrotman | babilen: let me try here |
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| 12:30.08 | abrotman | babilen: alternately .. have you tried mplayer or vlc ? |
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| 12:30.55 | abrotman | babilen: VLC in squeeze works fine |
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| 12:31.03 | babilen | abrotman: mplayer and vlc work. I just use rhythmbox for web radio |
| 12:31.10 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | starts up rhythmbox |
| 12:31.26 | babilen | hehe, thanks :) |
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| 12:32.27 | abrotman | babilen: yes .. works here fo rme |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | for me |
| 12:33.02 | babilen | abrotman: really? Do you have packages from dmm installed? |
| 12:33.13 | abrotman | uhm .. no, maybe flash, but not that i'm aware of |
| 12:33.39 | abrotman | at least, i don't think i do |
| 12:33.52 | babilen | abrotman: ok, I might have. I'll try without. Thanks for testing! Could you paste a list of installed gstreamer packages, so I can compare? |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | is pretty sure he removed them all |
| 12:35.07 | abrotman | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/101561/ |
| 12:35.51 | babilen | thanks! |
| 12:37.10 | Bartzy | Hi, |
| 12:37.26 | Bartzy | I'm using apt-ftparchive and make-kpkg to create kernel packages and publish them to my repository |
| 12:38.04 | Kuifje111 | why is the inspircd package broken? |
| 12:38.09 | Bartzy | I already have a revision=1.0 (created by make-kpkg) of a kernel.. now I changed some config in the kernel, ran make-kpkg again with revision=1.1, uploaded to the repository, but when I use apt-get update and then try to view the package, it only shows the 1.0 revision... |
| 12:38.10 | Bartzy | any idea ? |
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| 12:49.03 | mrcarrot | what file do i need to edit to prevent one package to get upgraded by apt-get & co |
| 12:49.35 | abrotman | !hold |
| 12:49.35 | dpkg | hmm... hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 12:49.50 | mrcarrot | i found that the lenny package of ltspfs is working well in squeeze while the squeeze version is really buggy and not working at all |
| 12:50.26 | mrcarrot | dpkg: thanks |
| 12:50.26 | dpkg | mrcarrot: no worries |
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| 12:50.35 | abrotman | mrcarrot: you should file a bug on the package if it does not work .. |
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| 12:50.57 | mrcarrot | where do i do that abrotman? |
| 12:51.16 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 12:51.16 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 12:56.01 | mrcarrot | i tried reportbug but i can not do it anonymously... it is asking for email address, making me look like i beg for spam |
| 12:56.14 | mrcarrot | and too much trouble to set up another email just to report a bug |
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| 12:56.50 | mrcarrot | is there any other option where i do not need to give an email |
| 12:57.31 | abrotman | mrcarrot: no, but you wouldn't be the first person to setup a mrcarrot_debian@hotmail or whatever so that it's just for reporting Debian bugs |
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| 13:01.54 | themill | mrcarrot: anonymous bug reports are quite frequently completely useless because you have no way of asking the reporter for more information. The lack of useful information in bug reports is particularly evident in the bug tracker for one popular debian derivative... |
| 13:02.41 | abrotman | themill: me too +1 |
| 13:03.53 | mrcarrot | i am not saying that it needs to be fully anonymously.... it is enough if the bug tracking site is hiding the email... and not leaving it for everybody to study |
| 13:04.07 | mrcarrot | hiding the email address i mean |
| 13:04.33 | mrcarrot | a such system could be done |
| 13:05.10 | mrcarrot | well, maybe i do the bug report another time... now i go home. to find a solution was just extra work for me on a sunday. |
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| 13:05.35 | mrcarrot | now the system is working by having the lenny version of ltspfs package |
| 13:05.52 | karthick87 | How to disable IPV6 system wide? |
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| 13:07.37 | themill | mrcarrot: I presume you checked the existing bugs for the package |
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| 13:10.29 | abrotman | there are only two |
| 13:10.32 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell karthick87 about noipv6 |
| 13:10.36 | mrcarrot | themill: i have been checking... it is not there reported. and the bug has been there for very long time, at least a half year if not more |
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| 13:13.14 | skilz | anyone know about this? universal mineral leaces registery |
| 13:14.00 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 13:26.00 | ebw | Where can I find i aptitude reference card? |
| 13:26.20 | dutchfish | ebw: man aptitude? |
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| 13:26.48 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.50 | thewanderer1 | I think I've seen some T-shirts with the cheatsheet printed upside down :P |
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| 13:28.20 | thebloggu | can someone tell me how can i install php5 pdo oci in debian? |
| 13:28.38 | thewanderer1 | what is OCI? |
| 13:28.48 | thebloggu | oracle call interface |
| 13:29.15 | thebloggu | it's an extension to php |
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| 13:29.43 | thewanderer1 | well, just checked the packages... I have no idea how to build one, though |
| 13:32.05 | thebloggu | thewanderer1, thanks anyway |
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| 13:32.54 | themill | ,info dh-make-php |
| 13:32.55 | judd | Package dh-make-php (web, optional) in lenny/i386: Creates Debian source packages for PHP PEAR and PECL extensions. Version: 0.2.12; Size: 31.6k; Installed: 152k |
| 13:32.58 | dutchfish | thebloggu: http://edin.no-ip.com/content/apache2-2-php5-2-oci8pdo-oci-sketch-debian-sid-howto |
| 13:34.11 | stew | php-db: /usr/share/php/DB/oci8.php? |
| 13:34.23 | thebloggu | dutchfish, i already saw that but it compiles the source. i already have apache and php installed. |
| 13:35.07 | thewanderer1 | guys, how would I go about migrating my /usr to another filesystem? I'm running out of space on root fs and would just like to split the scheme into some more partitions |
| 13:35.31 | thewanderer1 | do I just copy the files to new /usr and mount it over the old place? |
| 13:35.37 | thebloggu | stew, that seems to be oci8. that's another extension to access oracle database. the one i need is pdo_oci |
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| 13:35.58 | dutchfish | hi, i have a setup where a small kvm target is started on the client wich then boots a desktop over pxe. I formerly have used casper with squashfs which worked pretty well (Debian/etch), i have dist-upgraded my target-image to lenny and also its acompanied nfs and squash into a selfbuild kernel. That works exept every now and then i got a corrupted /etc/ld.so.cache on the target image. How to debug that? |
| 13:36.17 | alpha_one_x86 | Hello, where have depot to have php compiled as threadsafe? |
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| 13:36.27 | f8l | thewanderer1: I did my migration with my system offline, using a liveUSB. |
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| 13:36.42 | thewanderer1 | f8l: well, this system is supposed to have 99% uptime :) |
| 13:37.16 | stew | that's not much uptime |
| 13:37.20 | thewanderer1 | I know. |
| 13:37.23 | lhz | "aptitude why-not pmount" cant find any reasons.. but "aptitude install k3b" wants to remove pmount. How can I find out the reason why? |
| 13:37.40 | f8l | thewanderer1: I think it's safer do do such things on unmounted filesystem, but I may be too cautious. |
| 13:37.44 | themill | stew: the package description implies that the php-db package provides an abstraction layer that would work with that db engine, but the db engine itself appears not to be in debian. |
| 13:37.45 | stew | thewanderer1: but yes, you should be able to do that. it might be wise to remount /usr ro when copying |
| 13:37.51 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok |
| 13:37.58 | thewanderer1 | I'll try that then |
| 13:38.23 | thewanderer1 | er, /usr is currently not a filesystem of its own |
| 13:38.29 | stew | oh |
| 13:38.30 | thewanderer1 | can I remount it ro? |
| 13:38.36 | thewanderer1 | a bindmount of itself? :P |
| 13:38.36 | stew | no |
| 13:38.44 | themill | lhz: why-not only tells you about the current state of the packages. aptitude has -D and -W options that help quite a lot with this. |
| 13:38.45 | thewanderer1 | heh, ok |
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| 13:39.18 | stew | dpkg: 60 * 24 * 7 * .01 |
| 13:39.18 | dpkg | 100.8 |
| 13:39.27 | stew | so you get 90 minutes of downtime a week! :) |
| 13:39.42 | stew | err 100 minutes |
| 13:39.54 | stew | (my 10 key is right next to my 9 key) |
| 13:39.55 | thewanderer1 | stew: I know, that's when Chromium with Flash running kills Apache on OOM condition :P |
| 13:41.26 | lhz | themill: thanks alot! |
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| 13:42.44 | tommytwo | stew: do you also have an 11 key? |
| 13:42.45 | thewanderer1 | now, is there a way to access files on one filesystem (/usr is in the same as /) but only in 1 process? |
| 13:43.02 | amee2k | hm... what would i need to do to make the root parition mountable as read-only? |
| 13:43.18 | amee2k | i don't care for logs, and /home is on another file system |
| 13:43.21 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: it is already mountable as read-only, but things won't be happy :) |
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| 13:43.34 | amee2k | okay |
| 13:43.38 | amee2k | for example? |
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| 13:44.16 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: in short: 0. ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab 1. edit fstab 2. mount tmpfs over /var/log or even /var and copy stuff there. 3. try to run it and see what breaks |
| 13:44.29 | alyur | amee2k, what about /root and /var |
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| 13:44.56 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: why don't you use aufs2 over your root fs? |
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| 13:47.07 | amee2k | i don't have a mail server, print spool or database server running. what do i need writable /var for? |
| 13:47.15 | amee2k | wouldn't /var/run and /var/lock be sufficient? |
| 13:47.36 | thewanderer1 | perhaps |
| 13:47.41 | amee2k | thewanderer1: the point is to make kinda freeze the system so its almost like a firmware |
| 13:47.46 | thewanderer1 | yes, I know |
| 13:47.51 | thewanderer1 | aufs allows you to do that |
| 13:48.04 | themill | apt and dpkg need writable bits on /var and /tmp |
| 13:48.13 | amee2k | root can manually remount the file system so non-writable /root isn't a problem |
| 13:48.22 | amee2k | i'm not quite sure what aufs would do though |
| 13:48.28 | thewanderer1 | amee2k: have a look at my howto along with my pack of scripts at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=49345 |
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| 13:48.33 | thewanderer1 | it should explain everything |
| 13:49.22 | amee2k | its not only about making changes to the root fs volatile but preventing them unless required for operation |
| 13:49.47 | amee2k | ram is short on that system so i don't want to sink too much into ramdisks |
| 13:50.02 | thewanderer1 | in this case, /var/lock, /var/run, /var/log and /tmp should be enough |
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| 13:50.15 | amee2k | okay |
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| 13:50.41 | amee2k | the only user with permissions outside /home would be root anyway, who can remount the fs writable as required |
| 13:50.52 | miniCruzer | debconf issue - the necessary Perl Modules aren't installed, and I can't seem to get them installed -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/539967/ |
| 13:50.57 | miniCruzer | Any help would be much appreciated :) |
| 13:51.18 | themill | miniCruzer: #ubuntu might help |
| 13:51.45 | miniCruzer | themill: I've tried, it seems no one around knows |
| 13:51.50 | miniCruzer | at this hour, at least. |
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| 13:52.06 | miniCruzer | I might as well start a thread |
| 13:52.24 | stew | miniCruzer: we only support debian here, sorry. |
| 13:52.29 | themill | miniCruzer: that doesn't make your problem on-topic for #debian though. You might like to double check why you have /usr/local/bin/perl. |
| 13:53.03 | miniCruzer | I asked in #Debian because debconf is a debian package |
| 13:53.22 | abrotman | miniCruzer: your OS is Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 13:53.26 | miniCruzer | indeed |
| 13:53.35 | miniCruzer | As mentioned, I've already asked there. |
| 13:53.38 | miniCruzer | afk |
| 13:53.46 | stew | miniCruzer: if you installed a debian version of debconf instead of a ubuntu version, you're really doing things wrong |
| 13:54.11 | abrotman | miniCruzer: Ubuntu is offtopic in #debian, if you continue, you can be banned from this channel |
| 13:54.26 | amee2k | thewanderer1: is there a way to avoid /var/log? i don't care about the logs, really |
| 13:54.49 | amee2k | there isn't anything running that could log useful stuff, and noone would check it anyway |
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| 13:59.31 | amee2k | mmmh, something tries to write /etc/network/run/ifstate on boot 0.0 |
| 13:59.39 | compgenius999 | hey guys, is there SSH on the install CD so I can manage the install from another computer? |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | !tell compgenius999 about ssh install |
| 14:00.26 | compgenius999 | k thanks abrotman |
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| 14:20.55 | babilen | abrotman: it was one of the dmm packages. works now :) |
| 14:21.08 | abrotman | but i don't have any ? |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | do i? |
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| 14:21.40 | babilen | abrotman: yes, but I did. I removed/replaced them with the Debian ones and it is working perfectly. |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:22.47 | arcsky | babilen: yoo, i just did a misstake (on another machine) i did apt-get install openssl0.9.8 instead of apt-get source openssl0.9.8 so now i get following error http://pastebin.com/SF1dR9ag |
| 14:23.05 | babilen | arcsky: Ah, welcome back. |
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| 14:23.51 | babilen | arcsky: Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 14:25.25 | babilen | arcsky: And you might want to read the error message and act accordingly (hint: dpkg-dev) |
| 14:25.28 | arcsky | babilen: i solved it already |
| 14:25.35 | arcsky | apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 14:25.38 | arcsky | did the job |
| 14:25.44 | arcsky | ;) |
| 14:26.17 | babilen | arcsky: I would still be tremendously interested in seeing that paste though |
| 14:27.17 | babilen | arcsky: Ah, and paste "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8"'s output as well |
| 14:27.39 | babilen | s/libssl0.9.8/openssl0.9.8/ |
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| 14:30.11 | babilen | arcsky: alternatively "uname -r" in here |
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| 14:32.56 | arcsky | babilen: 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
| 14:33.35 | babilen | arcsky: Could you paste the rest as well, there is something wrong with your configuration and I don't want a package like openssl to be in some weird state |
| 14:34.04 | abrotman | arcsky: your kernel is *very* out of date |
| 14:34.06 | arcsky | babilen: nah it works perfect now |
| 14:34.16 | arcsky | abrotman: sure |
| 14:34.20 | babilen | sure? |
| 14:34.26 | arcsky | its old |
| 14:34.30 | arcsky | i dont change every day |
| 14:34.35 | abrotman | arcsky: *VERY* out of date .. so many security issues |
| 14:34.47 | abrotman | known security issues |
| 14:34.50 | arcsky | its lab box |
| 14:34.54 | babilen | arcsky: Apart from the fact that it is working perfect now, there is a problem. Please paste it. The internet might be a less secure place if you don't |
| 14:35.02 | abrotman | and what? lab boxes don't need security? |
| 14:35.24 | arcsky | not this one nope |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | bad practice |
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| 14:38.36 | babilen | arcsky: hmm? |
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| 14:39.00 | arcsky | babilen: ? |
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| 14:39.18 | babilen | arcsky: I am waiting for the paste. |
| 14:39.37 | arcsky | why you need that info |
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| 14:40.02 | babilen | arcsky: Because there is something wrong with your configuration and I want to know why |
| 14:40.05 | themill | arcsky: abrotman isn't saying that you need to update to the latest and shiniest 2.6.37-rc6 kernel or something, just that there is a newer 2.6.26 debian kernel that addresses known problems with that one. It should not be a difficult process to keep on top of such updates. |
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| 14:40.31 | arcsky | ok i update np |
| 14:40.43 | arcsky | no big deal |
| 14:41.21 | arcsky | btw you guys maybe know how i can see the different states IPv6 have, a summary over the times |
| 14:41.37 | arcsky | its a kernel thing i think |
| 14:42.18 | pmo | i have an issue 'hard link reset' with a raid0 over 2 sata 1.5 disks, but i have also a 3.0 disk, that is not part of the raid.. after 7 hours of raid0, one disk from raid0 issued a hard reset, with the 3.0 hard disk, anybody experienced similar things ? |
| 14:42.31 | babilen | arcsky: Why don't you paste it? What is wrong with your sources list that it pulls ubuntu packages? |
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| 14:43.41 | babilen | arcsky: Well, I got to go. But you should spend some quality time with your Debian (?) box and fix those errors. You should also be aware that #debian does not support Ubuntu (or their packages) |
| 14:44.02 | arcsky | babilen: it was just for one package |
| 14:44.19 | arcsky | its gone from the source.list by now |
| 14:44.50 | arcsky | if its ubuntu problems i got then i ask for sure in that chan |
| 14:45.12 | arcsky | i run both os on various of machines |
| 14:45.19 | arcsky | dists* |
| 14:45.58 | Mowee | Hello |
| 14:47.35 | pmo | any use raid1 ? |
| 14:47.57 | pmo | oops raid0 |
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| 15:10.31 | britishseapower | how do i upgrade a package... i did this apt-get -u install git-core but I still ended up with 1.5.6.5 |
| 15:10.44 | britishseapower | rather than the latest version which is something other than that |
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| 15:14.29 | themill | dpkg: tell britishseapower about bdo |
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| 15:18.24 | britishseapower | thanks. works :-) |
| 15:18.53 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
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| 15:19.37 | doomster | hi! |
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| 15:24.00 | doomster | I'm wondering, is there a default sound API in Debian (Debian/Linux)? |
| 15:24.36 | fenugreek | doomster: there's LADSPA |
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| 15:25.19 | simonrvn | not really, but alsa is the kernel's, oss being deprecated for years. |
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| 16:10.27 | kblessinggr | I installed the package postgresql-9.0 but upon installation it did not tell me what the default postgres password was, meaning I can't "psql -U postgres" nor with -w (no password) and the package description online doesn't mention it either |
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| 16:12.53 | daemonkeeper | Do "su postgres" |
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| 16:12.57 | daemonkeeper | And connect |
| 16:13.18 | daemonkeeper | By default PostgreSQL follows local Unix privileges. |
| 16:13.41 | kblessinggr | and what directory am I supposed to be in, since postgres user can't seem to change to whatever directory i'm in |
| 16:14.16 | daemonkeeper | Doesn't matter. Make it a login shell if you do care, or type "cd" |
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| 16:14.41 | kblessinggr | reason I asked is cuz something like 'createdb mydb" just ssays it can't change to whatever directory I'm in |
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| 16:15.22 | daemonkeeper | Yes, the (Unix) postgres user might hace no read access to the home directory of your effective uid. |
| 16:15.26 | daemonkeeper | have |
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| 16:15.53 | stew | kblessinggr: i'd guess that you are in a directory which has been deleted |
| 16:16.01 | daemonkeeper | It doesn't matter though, change to posgres' home dir by typing "cd" before or do "su - postgres" the next time |
| 16:16.02 | kblessinggr | so... how do I 'createdb' if the package didn't install an appropiate home dir? |
| 16:16.41 | kblessinggr | stew I can garantee you that the directory I was in was not deleted, my guess would simply be it wasn't "postgres" owned |
| 16:16.55 | daemonkeeper | Yup, most likely. |
| 16:17.10 | kblessinggr | daemonkeeper: well thats the thing, postgres doesn't have a homedir, the package didn't install one |
| 16:17.15 | LeetDog1337 | hey guys, i would like to donate $1,000,000 to this wonderful project, how may i acomplish this? |
| 16:18.45 | daemonkeeper | Are you sure? What does postgres have as home dir? |
| 16:18.47 | babilen | LeetDog1337: http://www.debian.org/donations |
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| 16:19.02 | kblessinggr | daemonkeeper: this is the package details http://packages.debian.org/sid/main/postgresql-contrib-9.0 |
| 16:19.21 | kblessinggr | as I said upon installation it gave no information at the end |
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| 16:19.42 | daemonkeeper | I meant in /etc/passwd |
| 16:19.50 | daemonkeeper | What does postgres have as $HOME there? |
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| 16:20.24 | kblessinggr | :/var/lib/postgresql:/bin/bash doesn't show $HOME but those are the two paths on the end |
| 16:20.40 | kblessinggr | guessing /var/lib/postgresql then? |
| 16:20.52 | babilen | kblessinggr: yes |
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| 16:27.04 | bla | Hi. |
| 16:27.36 | bla | Is it possible to install .deb file via aptitude/apt-get so it can pull any requried dependencies? |
| 16:28.05 | daemonkeeper | That is, what both tools are for. |
| 16:28.19 | daemonkeeper | Ah, you mean the .dep directly? |
| 16:28.29 | daemonkeeper | .deb |
| 16:28.30 | pipeline | bla: dpkg -i the deb, if it fails, apt-get -f install |
| 16:28.37 | themill | bla: installing a random .deb is frequently not what you should be doing. repositories exist for a reason. |
| 16:28.53 | themill | !wayttd bla |
| 16:28.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bla? |
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| 16:31.14 | bolt | !wayttd Did You Know That Cows Go Moo |
| 16:31.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Did You Know That Cows Go Moo? |
| 16:31.18 | bolt | heh. sorry. |
| 16:31.19 | bla | pipeline, thanks |
| 16:31.41 | daemonkeeper | aptitude doesn't moo anymore :/ |
| 16:31.41 | bla | themill, I'm packaging something for someone and was wondering what to write in 'install' section of docs |
| 16:32.10 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: it's apt-get which has super-cow powers |
| 16:32.23 | daemonkeeper | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 16:32.28 | daemonkeeper | aptitude doesn't. |
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| 16:32.38 | bolt | are those powers documented somewhere? |
| 16:32.49 | thewanderer1 | sure, the source :P |
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| 16:33.01 | daemonkeeper | bolt: apt-get moo |
| 16:33.57 | stittel | Hi! I am having a bit of a problem understanding ecryptfs. I am aware that the encryption password for an ecryptfs directory is encrypted with the login password of the user's account. So when I login back in, the login password can be used to decrypt the encryption password, sparing me the need to enter another password. |
| 16:34.00 | themill | bla: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install", or look at gdebi. Or stick it in a repo and point apt at it (sources.list.d/ exists to make this easy for you) |
| 16:34.59 | stittel | However, I am logging in via SSH with an ssh key, no password ever gets passed to PAM or whatever. Still I can use ecryptfs-mount-private to successfully decrypt the encrypted directory without entering a password. And that is scary. |
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| 16:35.31 | Rdogg1 | hey guys, i cant ssh into my debian, it says "Connection refused", even though i put ALL:ALL in /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 16:36.04 | daemonkeeper | Is SSH running? ;) |
| 16:36.13 | Rdogg1 | well, if connection refused, i think so |
| 16:36.17 | Rdogg1 | other wise timeout, right? |
| 16:36.42 | daemonkeeper | No. Connection refused means "there is no listening port on that host" |
| 16:36.44 | stittel | Rdogg1: No, if nothing is listening on the SSH port, it won't time out. |
| 16:36.55 | daemonkeeper | Timeout means "there is no such host" |
| 16:36.55 | Rdogg1 | hmm |
| 16:37.12 | Rdogg1 | the thing is Debian doesnt include my gfx card driver |
| 16:37.17 | Rdogg1 | so i have to go to systemrescue cd |
| 16:37.19 | Rdogg1 | to fix everything |
| 16:37.29 | Rdogg1 | (i just installed debian 5 mins ago) |
| 16:37.37 | daemonkeeper | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 16:37.53 | Rdogg1 | can i type even though no gfx driver? |
| 16:37.54 | stittel | Rdogg1: Why not just boot into a runlevel that doesn't bring up X? |
| 16:38.00 | Rdogg1 | its CLI |
| 16:38.06 | Rdogg1 | i didnt install a desktop enviroment |
| 16:38.23 | daemonkeeper | You can, the only requirement is shell access. |
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| 16:38.26 | Rdogg1 | i guess the kernel needs my gfx driver to display anything |
| 16:38.35 | stittel | Rdogg1: You don't need any GFX driver for accessing just a console without X. |
| 16:38.40 | Rdogg1 | uhh wat |
| 16:38.44 | Rdogg1 | you sure? |
| 16:38.49 | daemonkeeper | Yes, he's right. |
| 16:39.08 | Rdogg1 | how would the graphics card know what to draw to the vga with no driver? |
| 16:39.27 | stittel | Rdogg1: Because your card is VGA (and beyond that VESA) compatible? |
| 16:39.29 | daemonkeeper | There are low level modes, every card supports. |
| 16:39.42 | daemonkeeper | That's essentially the same as your boot screen. |
| 16:39.52 | thewanderer1 | stittel: your situation sounds suspicious to me, too... |
| 16:40.00 | Rdogg1 | well why no display :O? |
| 16:40.14 | daemonkeeper | Your BIOS has no display driver for your graphic card neither. |
| 16:40.25 | Rdogg1 | i see |
| 16:40.39 | thewanderer1 | stittel: perhaps it just uses a private key file instead of passing the password? besides, how does the password get passed on your system? via PAM? |
| 16:40.40 | daemonkeeper | (Beyonc VGA/VESA as said) |
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| 16:41.44 | stittel | thewanderer1: That's the question, I have no idea how the password gets passed. I needed to enter the login password during creation of the encrypted ecryptfs directory, so it could use this login password to encrypt the mount passwort, which I also specified during creation of the ecryptfs directory. |
| 16:42.17 | Rdogg1 | whats the ssh package called in apt? |
| 16:42.19 | stittel | thewanderer1: After that, I never ever entered either the login password (since login happens with SSH key) not the mount password and can still happily mount and umount the encrypted volume withouth getting prompted for a password. |
| 16:42.21 | Rdogg1 | openssh-server? |
| 16:43.11 | thewanderer1 | stittel: have you rebooted in between? |
| 16:43.22 | daemonkeeper | That's the package providing a SSH server, yes |
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| 16:43.56 | thewanderer1 | stittel: I don't know about ecryptfs userspace architecture, but it's possible that you have some kind of daemon running and keeping the password in RAM |
| 16:44.05 | stittel | thewanderer1: No. But it shouldn't be required (the manual just says "log out and back in again") and it's a server doing useful stuff, so I don't wanna reboot for fun. |
| 16:44.25 | thewanderer1 | I understand. so inspect the process list |
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| 16:44.50 | stittel | thewanderer1: Just checked the process list. There is no process younger than 2 hours and I did the ecryptfs stuff just 30 minutes ago. |
| 16:44.52 | daemonkeeper | Or the memory space. |
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| 16:45.15 | stittel | thewanderer1: Also everything happens with user rights, i. e. creation and mounting of the encrypted directory did not involve using the root account at all. |
| 16:45.32 | thewanderer1 | well, it could be stored in SysV IPC, too, but wouldn't that be a stupid thing for a program to do? |
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| 16:46.26 | thewanderer1 | `strace ecryptfs-mount-private` and see what it does - you probably want to dump the output somewhere |
| 16:46.33 | stittel | thewanderer1: Actually if the main idea is to get the login password via PAM and use it to decrypt the mount password... why should it store anything password-related anywhere when the volume is not mounted? |
| 16:46.58 | thewanderer1 | stittel: I thought that it's what you were wondering :P |
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| 16:47.16 | phych0 | ugh, why is debian apt so broken with ipv6 |
| 16:47.27 | phych0 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Unable to connect to ftp.uk.debian.org:http: |
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| 16:47.41 | Rdogg1 | guys, what is the file with the things it launches at udev ? |
| 16:48.02 | stittel | thewanderer1: Exactly. :) |
| 16:48.05 | stittel | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/xNRJdBx0 |
| 16:48.46 | thewanderer1 | stittel: /usr/bin/ecryptfs-mount-private is a bash script, you might want to read it :) |
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| 16:50.31 | stittel | thewanderer1: Good point. :) And well, it comes down to this: http://pastebin.com/xYxR88sQ |
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| 16:51.14 | thewanderer1 | "is available in the keyring" definitely means that there is some kind of memory/disk storage of the key |
| 16:51.36 | thewanderer1 | in SSH, for instance, there is the ssh-agent, a keyring daemon |
| 16:52.10 | thewanderer1 | you could try and `slay` (yes, that's a package) all the user's processes, and then see if it still remembers the password :P |
| 16:52.34 | stittel | thewanderer1:There is stuff in ~/.ecryptfs. One file is wrapped-passphrase, which contains the mount password encrypted with the login password. |
| 16:52.47 | stittel | thewanderer1: The only other file of interest there is Private.sig. |
| 16:52.57 | thewanderer1 | stittel: yes, but there has to be something else, like a daemon |
| 16:53.07 | stittel | thewanderer1: Nope, I checked, really. :) |
| 16:54.09 | thewanderer1 | well, you should strace the execution of /sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private |
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| 16:55.10 | thewanderer1 | (also, reading the output before pasting it in public might be a good idea unless you want your password exposed from a 'read' call :P ) |
| 16:56.22 | thewanderer1 | I really liked LUKS more :P |
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| 16:57.21 | thewanderer1 | oh, the manpage says "the private mount passphrase is in their kernel keyring". kernel keyring, cool... |
| 16:57.51 | thewanderer1 | so you do have to reboot or ask the kernel kindly to remove it |
| 17:00.13 | stittel | thewanderer1: Thanks for your help. I think I'll kinda...forget the idea about ecryptfs. |
| 17:00.21 | thewanderer1 | btw. my hostnames are derived from planets and sun, too :P |
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| 17:00.51 | stittel | thewanderer1: LUKS has the disadvantage that I can't easily grow images. But since I got enough diskspace, I can probably live with that. |
| 17:01.06 | thewanderer1 | well, you could always use loopback files, why not? |
| 17:01.21 | stittel | thewanderer1: I've got the idea from a Linux book I read about a decade ago. I just need to think about something else now, since I am out of planets. :) |
| 17:02.30 | stittel | thewanderer1: With loopback files, I create an image of size x. And if I only need y < x I am wasting x-y of diskspace and if I need z > x, then I need to create a new image, because I can't just enlarge x. |
| 17:02.47 | babilen | stittel: http://namingschemes.com/ |
| 17:02.51 | thewanderer1 | sure, but you can compress it |
| 17:03.03 | thewanderer1 | or even place it in a compressing filesystem, like ZFS or ext* |
| 17:03.20 | stittel | babilen: Thanks. But I'll probably go for Freespace ship names. :) |
| 17:03.40 | babilen | stittel: good choice as wel |
| 17:03.42 | babilen | +l |
| 17:04.11 | stittel | thewanderer1: If LUKS does a good job, volumes will not be very well compressible. I mean, after all the idea of properly encrypted data is that you can't tell it apart from random data. |
| 17:04.22 | thewanderer1 | hm, right :P |
| 17:04.37 | thewanderer1 | wouldn't that mean that eCryptfs doesn't do a good job? O.o |
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| 17:05.00 | stittel | thewanderer1: eCryptFs doesn't encrypted entire block devices (or image files) but just single files on top of the file-system. |
| 17:05.15 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it's a file system |
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| 17:05.48 | thewanderer1 | so you mean it's not supposed to hide file boundaries, ok |
| 17:05.51 | stittel | thewanderer1: It's a layer on top of the file system whilst LUKS is a layer beneath the file-system. |
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| 17:07.28 | Rdogg1 | hey #debian |
| 17:07.32 | Rdogg1 | take a look at this epic glitch |
| 17:07.32 | Rdogg1 | http://rdogg.homeunix.net/ |
| 17:07.35 | Rdogg1 | look at the pis |
| 17:07.37 | Rdogg1 | pics* |
| 17:07.50 | daemonkeeper | Nontheless you can also run LUKS on top of a file system, i.e. as loopback image. |
| 17:08.03 | chrisb | i'm in debian-installer, and i want to download and install extlinux as my bootloader, rather than grub or lilo |
| 17:08.07 | stittel | thewanderer1: The version shipped with Debian actually doesn't even seem to encrypt file names, which is kinda pityful. encfs or this triple-DES based stuff we had in woody could do that. |
| 17:08.11 | chrisb | apt-get doesn't work from the shell, though |
| 17:08.43 | compgenius999 | Rdogg1, Input not supported, yet it appears it's printed the text anyway |
| 17:08.55 | Rdogg1 | yeah man epic |
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| 17:09.18 | thewanderer1 | chrisb: why not? are you chrooted into the target? |
| 17:09.35 | stittel | Rdogg1: Can you take out any fancy graphic mode switching from the kernel boot line (or menu.lst for that matter)? |
| 17:10.18 | chrisb | thewanderer1: no, i'm on tty2, prompt and df shows /target/<mounts> |
| 17:10.25 | chrisb | maybe apt-install is what i need |
| 17:10.38 | chrisb | looks at /bin |
| 17:10.44 | thewanderer1 | chrisb: if you want a bootloader on the target, you need to install it on the target, not in the installer... |
| 17:12.09 | Rdogg1 | stittel: huh? |
| 17:12.33 | chrisb | thewanderer1: thanks. how can i download it into the target? i don't have /bin/apt-get |
| 17:13.00 | thewanderer1 | chrisb: chroot into the target and work in there. and for a bootloader, you'll need /dev, /proc and /sys probably. |
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| 17:14.15 | chrisb | thewanderer1: so /usr/sbin/chroot /target ? |
| 17:14.37 | michal-cr3 | hi |
| 17:14.39 | chrisb | also how do i exit a chroot? |
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| 17:14.59 | michal-cr3 | i've checked 'enable sound' in e16, clicked apply and everything except the cursor freezed |
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| 17:15.10 | michal-cr3 | how do i find out which process it that? |
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| 17:15.41 | michal-cr3 | how to list unresponsive processes? ;P |
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| 17:17.11 | chrisb | thewanderer1: i think i need to chroot /target /bin/<shell i want> |
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| 17:21.14 | chrisb | thewanderer1: ok, i'm chrooted and installing extlinux |
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| 17:22.55 | Orbixx | Any idea when the next version of libxml2 is going to reach the Debian repos? (I ask because http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=45996) |
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| 17:23.18 | stew | Orbixx: yesterday? |
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| 17:23.42 | Rdogg1 | anyone here know Regex for linux? |
| 17:23.51 | stew | Rdogg1: many people |
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| 17:23.59 | Rdogg1 | stew: including you? |
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| 17:27.08 | stittel | Rdogg1: It seems like your screen doesn't like the text mode or resolution. I suppose the "Input not supported" message originates from your screen. |
| 17:27.35 | stew | Rdogg1: yes, why? |
| 17:28.01 | Iridos | now you gave it away and he's gonna try to sell you a regexp-washing machine... |
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| 17:28.24 | Rdogg1 | stew: could you help me? i need to filter mounted devices names, like in the command "mount" but without "on /mnt/blahblahblah" so bassicaly a regex that gets the first word of every line |
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| 17:29.32 | stew | Rdogg1: cut -d\ -f1 /proc/mounts |
| 17:29.55 | stew | or awk '{print $1}' /proc/mounts |
| 17:30.00 | stittel | Rdogg1: Either your graphics card is outputting some non-sense (which it shouldn't if you strip vga= parameter from the bootline) or your screen is having problems handling text modes. In the latter case you might want to use some fancy vga setting. |
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| 17:41.19 | dclarke | question, while compileing a driver on squeeze I hit this : ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it. <-- is that safe to do ? |
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| 18:03.46 | JonSparks | Hey, does anybody know of a command that will have my server spit out random text with /dev/urandom or /dev/random until I ctrl-c |
| 18:03.47 | JonSparks | ? |
| 18:04.14 | JonSparks | I want my server to basically spit out random text for several minutes until I stop it manually. |
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| 18:04.44 | bla | Huhm. |
| 18:04.50 | bla | strings compared with /dev/urandom? |
| 18:04.58 | cirwin | cat /dev/random | base64 ? |
| 18:05.00 | JonSparks | I guess |
| 18:05.00 | bla | strings < /dev/urandom |
| 18:05.21 | JonSparks | I guess, but it only has 4 characters per line |
| 18:05.28 | JonSparks | Or somewhere in that area |
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| 18:05.36 | amee2k | how do you disable ACPI on the boot cd? |
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| 18:05.50 | JonSparks | I need it to fill the screen so when I stop it, I can copypaste and not worry about the newlines. |
| 18:06.13 | amee2k | something about the ACPI interface of this laptop is weird and makes the kernel dereference a null pointer on poot |
| 18:06.16 | amee2k | boot* even |
| 18:06.17 | cirwin | | tr -d '\n' |
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| 18:07.50 | michal-cr3 | hi |
| 18:07.54 | OpenTokix | JonSparks: cat /dev/urandom |strings|tr "\n" " "|tr -s " "|tr -d "\t"|tr -d " " |
| 18:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: which boot cd? |
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| 18:08.39 | michal-cr3 | suspending via gnome menu doesn't work as opposed to 'pm-suspend' command. what do i do? |
| 18:08.44 | amee2k | adding "noacpi" to the boot command doesn't do the trick |
| 18:08.51 | michal-cr3 | how to make gnome use pm-suspend for suspending? |
| 18:08.53 | amee2k | jhutchins_lt: 5.03 netinst, i386 |
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| 18:09.22 | JonSparks | OpenTokix: Thanks, that works. |
| 18:09.22 | OpenTokix | JonSparks: it's not pretty, but it works =) |
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| 18:09.55 | JonSparks | It does what I need it to, I can just write it down or save the command in a file so I can find it easily when I need it. |
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| 18:12.32 | amee2k | it squirts out a stack trace and panics less than a second into the boot process |
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| 18:13.19 | amee2k | the panic line suggests it dies in acpi_ev_match_prw_and_gpe() and there is lots of other acpi_* stuff in the backtrace |
| 18:13.34 | amee2k | so how do i boot the netinst cd without the acpi stuff? |
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| 18:17.27 | amee2k | ... |
| 18:17.44 | JonSparks | ? |
| 18:17.53 | thewanderer1 | heh :P |
| 18:17.54 | amee2k | lol |
| 18:17.58 | JonSparks | What was that? |
| 18:17.59 | amee2k | utter trolling failure |
| 18:18.02 | thewanderer1 | the bot crashed |
| 18:18.04 | JonSparks | Oh |
| 18:18.05 | JonSparks | xD |
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| 18:18.35 | JonSparks | Looks like they had a script that used several ipv6es to bypass freenode's sesion limit. |
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| 18:19.00 | amee2k | also looks like it didn't work :P |
| 18:19.07 | JonSparks | exactly |
| 18:19.07 | JonSparks | xD |
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| 18:19.36 | JonSparks | Apparently, /dev/urandom cnsumes lots of bandwidth after a while |
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| 18:19.36 | FalTam | lolcats |
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| 18:19.40 | JonSparks | 9mb per minute atm |
| 18:19.40 | JonSparks | xD |
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| 18:19.48 | JonSparks | xD fail |
| 18:19.49 | amee2k | ... |
| 18:19.54 | amee2k | can't he use #flood for that? |
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| 18:20.01 | amee2k | we only accept quality trolls here >:| |
| 18:20.07 | JonSparks | xD |
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| 18:20.19 | thewanderer1 | yes, the world of IPv6 will, contrary to the "one address per user" concept, be more of a "look, I'm networkically rich" parade |
| 18:20.20 | amee2k | high fives themill |
| 18:20.23 | amee2k | thanks |
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| 18:21.01 | JonSparks | Well, I'm out for a bit. |
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| 18:21.11 | amee2k | have fun :) |
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| 18:21.29 | JonSparks | Gonna let urandom run on my server, then take the text from my putty logs. |
| 18:21.35 | JonSparks | Anyways, be back in a bit. |
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| 18:39.17 | dku | Hi all, I just switched from my PCI video card to the onboard one, and now there's vertical jumpy lines in X. How can I fix this? |
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| 18:42.47 | needle_ | dku perhaps yoru refresh rate is wrong |
| 18:43.06 | dku | needle_: how can i check? |
| 18:43.32 | needle_ | dku aye.... |
| 18:43.56 | needle_ | dku it'd p in xorg.conf i suppose although it u perhaps need to locate specifications if its an old card. |
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| 18:44.15 | dku | i'd need to create one though, right? xorg.conf isn't present on my system |
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| 18:44.54 | needle_ | dku i've no idea although debian probably uses some sort of strange setup instead of a generic xorg.conf |
| 18:45.02 | needle_ | that info you can find on google |
| 18:45.20 | dku | okay thanks |
| 18:45.23 | needle_ | i just give my idea of perhaps what wrong and then you can't google that info so easily |
| 18:45.27 | needle_ | alright |
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| 18:46.13 | thewanderer1 | dku: `X -configure` should make a xorg.conf for you |
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| 18:46.55 | dku | thewanderer1, yep, it did, trying it out now |
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| 18:47.46 | needle_ | if u didn't have correct any xorg conf and it makes it for you and hopefuly it knows correct setup and detects chipset |
| 18:47.46 | Dagzu | hello, I have a problem with language |
| 18:48.00 | Dagzu | I think the problem appeared when I installed nvidia drive |
| 18:48.02 | Dagzu | r |
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| 18:48.08 | Dagzu | http://pastebin.com/xfMQDgRZ <= here is the errors |
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| 18:48.20 | needle_ | its not always in case |
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| 18:48.47 | compaq | i was watching a wmv video, and my screen went bazurk, so I restarted kdm display manager, and then it said .xsessions is missings |
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| 18:49.18 | needle_ | compaq .xsession isn't required.... |
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| 18:49.38 | compaq | needle_, hmm, dunno then, but kde is broken, won't start |
| 18:49.49 | needle_ | strange try to touch it |
| 18:49.59 | needle_ | from shell touch ~/.xsession |
| 18:50.02 | thewanderer1 | compaq: surely some filesystem in the VFS layer went toast |
| 18:50.21 | thewanderer1 | I'd bet at /home or /tmp going south |
| 18:50.33 | thewanderer1 | are you using non-free drivers? |
| 18:50.35 | compaq | its cool, it went failsafe to e17, which is running way faster now |
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| 18:50.51 | compaq | thewanderer1, its these intel video cards I guess |
| 18:51.05 | thewanderer1 | intel has a free driver in X.org |
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| 18:52.54 | compaq | thewanderer1, I am using the free one |
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| 18:56.48 | compaq | e17 is cool, cause you can run a dock like avant-window-navigator or cairo-dock, with out any composite. |
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| 18:57.21 | compaq | Only thing is no scalling, but I have it set, so if I move the mouse to the top right corner, it cleans up the desktop which is pretty good |
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| 18:59.11 | gnat_x | i'm trying to use internet dj console, but am getting stuck with feeding audio through my mic. i can hear the audio through the speakers, but not through the dj console. |
| 18:59.29 | Martki | Hi, my ARM Sheevaplug runs Debian Squeeze, and thats fine and dandy and rock solid stable. However there is 1 package that I need to be always cutting edge (esniper), and that lives in the bleeding edge SID. Is there a way to automatically get that package from the bleeding edge repo, "mix and match" style? |
| 18:59.55 | thewanderer1 | sure, apt pinning |
| 18:59.57 | gnat_x | the xfce volume mixer is auto dropping my capture devices, but they are showing up fine in alsamixer from the console. |
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| 19:00.10 | Martki | and the moment I download the deb manually but it's a main keeping track of it. |
| 19:00.12 | thewanderer1 | just bear in mind that putting an upgrade action in cron is the worst idea ever |
| 19:00.23 | gnat_x | there's some weirdness going on, but i'm no sure if i know where/ what to look at next. |
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| 19:00.33 | gnat_x | it could be a problem with jack as well. |
| 19:00.36 | Pinchiukas | If I upgrade mysql, do I have to restart it or will it restart itself? |
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| 19:00.51 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: the package scripts will take care of it |
| 19:01.08 | pfred1 | I installed Debian Lenny on my other PC but the kernel is so old it won't boot what can I do? |
| 19:01.24 | Martki | thanks, just reading this http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 19:01.33 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: get a backports.org kernel... |
| 19:01.52 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 do I need to add that as a source on install? |
| 19:02.20 | pfred1 | I'd love to run Lenny on that box |
| 19:02.36 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: you should boot a 'rescue mode' system and do whatever backports require you to do |
| 19:02.41 | thewanderer1 | the instructions are there on the website |
| 19:03.11 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 k thanks I'll give it a look |
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| 19:09.28 | pfred1 | can i just dd one of these isos to a usb pendrive to install Debian? |
| 19:10.07 | thewanderer1 | if it says it's a "hybrid" iso, then yes |
| 19:10.11 | thewanderer1 | otherwise get a USB image :P |
| 19:10.28 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 yeah i would if I could find one so far no luck though |
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| 19:12.15 | acemi | pfred1: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
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| 19:12.41 | thewanderer1 | you could use UNetBootin |
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| 19:13.13 | pfred1 | acemi that takes me here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ not what i want |
| 19:13.28 | pfred1 | been there done that don't work for me |
| 19:14.25 | pfred1 | acemi unless those isos above it work? |
| 19:14.45 | pfred1 | heck I'm just going to give it a shot what do I have to lose? |
| 19:14.45 | acemi | he says yes |
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| 19:15.04 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 19:15.04 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | that ? |
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| 19:15.12 | C-Otto | hi there |
| 19:15.33 | C-Otto | i have problems getting my system boot from a LVM residing on a raid5 (md) |
| 19:15.41 | C-Otto | how do i need to setup the initrd? |
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| 19:16.26 | C-Otto | it seems the lvm modules are not loaded, although i have them listed in the modules config file for initramfs-tools |
| 19:16.29 | pfred1 | C-Otto debian has a nice way of doing that with make kpkg or something in the kernel |
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| 19:16.57 | pfred1 | C-Otto then you just dpkg -i your deb file and it does it all for you! |
| 19:17.33 | C-Otto | i did dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-foo |
| 19:17.37 | C-Otto | that creates a new initrd |
| 19:17.40 | C-Otto | but that one does not work |
| 19:17.44 | JonSparks | Anyone know why GNUPanel messed up my server so bad that I can no longer install php or apache correctly? |
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| 19:18.03 | JonSparks | I followed the exact instructions for install, but it screwed up everything. |
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| 19:18.55 | abrotman | JonSparks: use a pastebin to show us the errors |
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| 19:20.12 | pfred1 | crosses his fingers ... root@spot:~/Downloads/USB_Boot# dd if=debian-507-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sda |
| 19:20.42 | abrotman | that's not what the USB installatoin instructions say ... |
| 19:20.46 | JonSparks | abrotman: It was yesterday, it removed php and apache and now i can'treinstall |
| 19:20.58 | pfred1 | abrotman it should work |
| 19:21.17 | abrotman | JonSparks: use a pastebin to show us the errors |
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| 19:21.23 | doxy2 | hi |
| 19:21.38 | doxy2 | how can i disable lastlogin message when loggin in through ssh? |
| 19:21.54 | doxy2 | the options there in /etc/pam.d/login but not in /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 19:22.37 | thewanderer1 | doxy2: have you checked common-session and friends? |
| 19:22.38 | doxy2 | sshd does have pam_motd.so but how can i control lastlog in sshd |
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| 19:23.09 | doxy2 | thewanderer1: yes, common-session has only this line: session required pam_unix.so |
| 19:23.35 | petemc | doxy2: looked in /etc/pam.d/login ? |
| 19:24.06 | doxy2 | petemc: login does have the option to disable lastlog, but i only want to disable it for ssh sessions |
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| 19:25.50 | doxy2 | which daemon should i restart when i modify files in pam.d? |
| 19:26.10 | doxy2 | at least sshd restart was sufficient when i modified the options in pam.d/sshd |
| 19:26.24 | doxy2 | but if i modify login, which daemon needs to be restarted |
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| 19:28.11 | poisonbit | doxy2, did you try starting a new sesion? maybe you can relaunch: init q (for tty login prompts) and /etc/init.d/*dm restart (for X, xdm, gdm, kdm, etc) |
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| 19:28.59 | dclarke | okay .. status report from those that have seen me work on this over the past week. alsa simple does not work on either lenny or squeeze with SB-XFi - Creative X-Fi Creative X-Fi 20K1 SB073x type audio card. I have build alsa from sources on both lenny and tried on squeeze .. nothing works .. its officially broken with the snd_ctxfi kernel module |
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| 19:30.52 | doxy2 | anyway, the thing was to add this option to sshd_config: PrintLastLog no |
| 19:30.54 | doxy2 | :) |
| 19:30.55 | doxy2 | thanks |
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| 19:32.02 | poisonbit | I use to touch $HOME/.hushlogin for single user machines (instead of reconfigure everything to get a silent login) |
| 19:32.02 | madi | uff |
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| 19:33.22 | dclarke | hell |
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| 19:33.29 | KB1JWQ | Hmm... |
| 19:33.33 | poisonbit | christmas trolling |
| 19:33.33 | zinx | you guys should really do that |
| 19:33.35 | zinx | seems like a cool idea |
| 19:33.45 | Fuco | NO! |
| 19:33.51 | KB1JWQ | zinx: What, spam our users? |
| 19:34.01 | zinx | no, give a special xmas gift cloak ;D |
| 19:34.10 | KB1JWQ | zinx: Okay, pay me $50 and I'll give you one. :-D |
| 19:34.17 | zinx | hahah :) |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | points at #takeitsomewhereelse |
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| 19:35.02 | peppe | it's obviously freenode spamming itself |
| 19:35.08 | zinx | >_< |
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| 19:36.56 | daemonkeeper | Oh, no SASL spam anymore? |
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| 19:37.16 | kishy | aw, i came back to the computer for nothing? |
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| 19:39.51 | dclarke | small question before the spammers return .. where do I go in the filesystem to run 'make oldconfig' on the kernel sources ? |
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| 19:40.24 | abrotman | dclarke: nice timing |
| 19:40.25 | chrisb | thewanderer1: that installation of extlinux during the debian install went extremely well. thanks for your help. |
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| 19:40.44 | abrotman | dclarke: you go into the root directory of your recently untarred source .. why are you compiling a kernel at all ? |
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| 19:40.48 | pfred1 | hmm this stick looks good I wonder why id didn't boot? |
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| 19:40.57 | abrotman | pfred1: i said why ... |
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| 19:41.14 | pfred1 | abrotman oh sorry i must have missed it |
| 19:41.25 | abrotman | !tell pfred1 about usb install |
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| 19:41.46 | pfred1 | abrotman I have done it and all it should be is dding an iso image |
| 19:41.54 | pfred1 | that is it |
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| 19:41.55 | dclarke | abrotman: on squeeze now .. as you may recall my endless battle with alsa, and I went to build the most recent drivers however I was given a nasty message ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it. |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | dclarke: uhm .. you may just need the headers or source package install .. apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 19:42.58 | dclarke | abrotman: that returns a whole deck load of packages |
| 19:43.09 | abrotman | deck load eh ? |
| 19:43.10 | dclarke | linux-headers-2.6.32-5-all-amd64 - All header files for Linux 2.6.32 (meta-package) is the first one |
| 19:43.22 | pfred1 | abrotman yes I've worked through the instructions on this page its horsepucky |
| 19:43.25 | abrotman | dclarke: what is uname -r ? |
| 19:43.26 | Fuco | oh come on... |
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| 19:43.37 | dclarke | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | dclarke: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:44.11 | dclarke | so /proc version says /proc/version --> Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-28) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:02:11 UTC 2010 |
| 19:44.13 | sbyrne | With Debian as Xen dom0, and using Debian kernels on dom0 for the domUs, is there a "Debian Way" to export the kernel modules to the domUs? |
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| 19:44.34 | dclarke | abrotman: well I did that |
| 19:44.37 | dclarke | abrotman: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 19:44.47 | abrotman | is it already installed? |
| 19:44.47 | dclarke | abrotman: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:44.51 | dclarke | scary huh ? |
| 19:44.58 | dclarke | abrotman: looks that way |
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| 19:45.14 | dclarke | abrotman: I was about to go to kernel.org and just get a kernel source tarball |
| 19:45.34 | dclarke | its been a while and I have done this on powerpc and Sparc but never amd64 |
| 19:45.36 | h3sp4wn_ | Is there a modern "Debian Takeover" equivalent ? (My vps host has a fscked 2.6.18 and no pygrub in their Debian images) other distro's do, failing that what are the options - Debootstrap into swap and then boot from that and then format, any better ones (its under xen) |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | h3sp4wn_: debootstrap ? |
| 19:46.09 | dclarke | h3sp4wn_: to be honest .. I don't even understand the question . :-\ |
| 19:46.35 | dclarke | h3sp4wn_: and I may not be alone in that confusion |
| 19:47.16 | abrotman | h3sp4wn_: they may have that .18 intentionally |
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| 19:54.07 | Chris___ | 0well |
| 19:54.12 | Chris___ | looks like this place got nuked |
| 19:54.37 | pfred1 | once I am in debians installer how do I access this backports archive? |
| 19:54.44 | Chris___ | although that's kindof hilarious that they used nenolod's nick |
| 19:54.49 | Chris___ | goes back to idling |
| 19:54.49 | pfred1 | because once I can I'll be in like flint! |
| 19:55.24 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: go into the rescue mode, or just chroot if you know how to |
| 19:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: Completet the install and then add backports. |
| 19:56.01 | pfred1 | just add backport to the deb line? |
| 19:56.20 | pfred1 | well backports |
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| 19:56.56 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 and yes i can chroot it is just a PIA |
| 19:56.57 | dclarke | At *great* risk of being told 'don't do that' is there a wiki page or some such anywhere that would show me how to build and install a new kernel into squeeze? n.b.: I just dl'd linux-2.6.36.1 for this purpose |
| 19:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: The instructions are on the page at http://backports.debian.org |
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| 19:57.42 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt yeah it is just a shame I won't be able to see them when I'm intalling |
| 19:58.18 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: backports is not intended as a general update source. It is for installing specific programs that a user wants a newer version of. |
| 19:58.36 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt oh I've no choice debian won't boot that box |
| 19:59.11 | pfred1 | intel H55 chipset or something stops it |
| 19:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pfred1 about kmuto |
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| 20:00.35 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt that is the strange thing the installer runs fine the system just never comes up after it has been installed |
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| 20:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: You should be able to juggle it with kernel options then. Did you try rescue mode? |
| 20:01.04 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 20:01.23 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt oh I burnt that box down days ago I'm trying to give it another shot though |
| 20:01.26 | cousin_mario | is about to ask a very unpopular question |
| 20:01.38 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt lets just say the alternatives out there are worse |
| 20:01.41 | cousin_mario | any chance squeeze will be released in january 2011? |
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| 20:01.48 | abrotman | !tell cousin_mario about wwsr |
| 20:01.50 | abrotman | !tell cousin_mario about rc bugs |
| 20:02.04 | cousin_mario | abrotman: WONDERFUL! |
| 20:02.06 | cousin_mario | thanks |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | cousin_mario: IOW, there is no set date .. it may happen, but no one knows for sure |
| 20:02.12 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt I did ubuntu 10.10 which ran but has its issues and then Arch and I don't know what to say about that |
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| 20:02.25 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt but they both at least do boot up |
| 20:02.44 | cousin_mario | abrotman: of course, but it's a very encouraging development |
| 20:02.45 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 20:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | Let us know if we can be of help when you get done installing. |
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| 20:03.45 | aarcane__ | so shouldn't freenode be advertising elsewhere than in #debian? liek teh motd, or having *serv pm people? |
| 20:03.58 | pfred1 | a ha it is a whole new deb line in sources.list |
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| 20:04.45 | pfred1 | welcome to the 21st century as I reach for a pencil and a piece of paper ... |
| 20:05.07 | dclarke | pfred1: it could be worse |
| 20:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane__: It's a scriptkiddie. |
| 20:05.21 | thewanderer1 | yes, think about clay tablets |
| 20:05.24 | dclarke | hands a rock and chisel over to pfred1 |
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| 20:05.54 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 what is scary is we can still read those but can't read floppy disks anymore and they call this progress! |
| 20:06.26 | dclarke | pfred1: why can we not read a floppy ? |
| 20:06.42 | pfred1 | dclarke I don't know I think my drives all rusted out here |
| 20:06.55 | pfred1 | dclarke all I know is I got a stack of them that do not work today |
| 20:07.03 | dclarke | oh .. hardware failure |
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| 20:07.14 | dclarke | floppy drives are a dime a dzen almost anywhere |
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| 20:07.25 | dclarke | so it should not be too hard to hook one up |
| 20:07.35 | pfred1 | dclarke I'll sell you a half a dozen for a nickel |
| 20:07.36 | dclarke | I don't think they are sata ready however :-\ |
| 20:07.47 | dclarke | thinks |
| 20:07.55 | dclarke | no thanks .. the shipping is not worth it |
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| 20:09.15 | pfred1 | OK so can I install this kernel backport before I reboot from the install? like go to another terminal or something? |
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| 20:09.51 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: you should have 2 usable terminals in the installer on tty2 and 3 |
| 20:10.09 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 I know I've IRCed during Debian installs before |
| 20:10.40 | thewanderer1 | was rather thinking along the lines of playing `bastet`, kind of like in Nexenta installer :P |
| 20:10.48 | pfred1 | just seems awfully pointless to me to reboot into a failed system like everyone has suggested here |
| 20:11.29 | thewanderer1 | once you're in the chroot, just apt-get install it |
| 20:11.45 | thewanderer1 | (don't forget about setting up the repo in sources.list and apt-get update) |
| 20:11.53 | pfred1 | thewanderer1 why can't I do it before the installer exits? |
| 20:12.01 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: well, can't you? :P |
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| 20:12.12 | pfred1 | it'd save me the chroot hassle |
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| 20:12.39 | thewanderer1 | well, nothing prevents you from switching to tty2 while the installer is running |
| 20:13.07 | pfred1 | well I was sort of thinking at the end of the process right before i reboot it |
| 20:13.18 | bp0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/607052 |
| 20:13.23 | bp0 | speaking of not reading floppy |
| 20:13.29 | pfred1 | man if i can get Lenny running on that box it'll be hog heaven! |
| 20:13.41 | bp0 | sorry to butt in, i was pinged by something about christmas, and then noticed that |
| 20:14.23 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: if you already have Lenny on there but can't boot it, you don't have to run the whole installer |
| 20:14.43 | thewanderer1 | just run the rescue mode or normal mode and not go through the steps, switching right to tty2 |
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| 20:15.41 | pfred1 | oh this is crap now I can't even get the package name because "Your keyword was too generic." if i knew the name I wouldn't need to search for it now would I? |
| 20:16.11 | pfred1 | wtf is wrong with people? |
| 20:16.21 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 20:16.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-28~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:16.25 | dclarke | pfred1: you seem to be flailing and I can relate .. what problem are you hiutting ? I may not be able to help .. but I will try |
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| 20:16.47 | thewanderer1 | above you can see the version to append to linux-image- |
| 20:17.01 | thewanderer1 | (of course in case of amd64 you use the proper package) |
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| 20:17.06 | pfred1 | dclarke Debian's shipped kernel cannot boot my new system so I have determined i need to load a bpo package now i need the name because I'll be flying blind in the install |
| 20:17.21 | thewanderer1 | pfred1: look at what judd said |
| 20:17.43 | h3sp4wn_ | abrotman: They do but its broken in alot of really obscure ways (the initrd doesn't create stuff like null /dev and /tmp ends up readonly - I have tried hacking around it, problem is for a debian config its taken from the dom0 (kernel and initrd) for fedora / centos / ubuntu it uses pygrub - what about loading the netboot vmlinuz and initrd (via pygrub) can I do that ? any kernel commandline options I need ? |
| 20:17.51 | pfred1 | none of those are bpos |
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| 20:18.48 | thebloggu | i'm trying to use a sequence like in sequence.nextval in a query using pdo_oci. what is the type i should use when binding it? PDO::PARAM_INPUT_OUTPUT? |
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| 20:18.57 | abrotman | h3sp4wn_: never tried to boot the netboot with pygrub .. all i can tell you to do is try it .. but make sure you have some rescue system in place |
| 20:18.59 | dclarke | pfred1: pardon my ignorance .. I hit similar issues sometime when working on powerpc and sparc systems and I have a DEC alpha ( nut that I am ) and sometimes the kernel just needs to be built. So .. can you tell me .. briefly ,, what is your status? Is the machine down ? running .. booting the debian installer or .. what ? |
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| 20:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | Given that the kernel on the installer boots, it's pretty unlikely that the problem is the kernel per se. |
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| 20:22.43 | pfred1 | dclarke well right now it has arch on it but not for long |
| 20:23.14 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt well being as 3 other distros have all loaded and ran fine just what do you think the problem is? |
| 20:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | Configuration. |
| 20:23.51 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt I run install then reboot what configuration? |
| 20:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | The installer loaded and ran too. It loaded the same kernel as it installs. |
| 20:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | I would suggest that you do an actual install then come here for help in troublshooting the _sepcific_ errors you have. |
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| 20:29.01 | foetus | Which Architecture should i choose for running a Debian-64bit system on an Pentium Dualcore ? AMD64? IA64 is for an Itanium System, I think.. |
| 20:29.24 | Iridos | it is |
| 20:29.49 | foetus | ok. |
| 20:31.07 | Iridos | so amd64 or i386 |
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| 20:31.49 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.08 | comradekingu | foetus: The processors are based on either the 32-bit Yonah or (with quite different microarchitectures) 64-bit Merom-2M, Allendale, and Wolfdale-3M core, targeted at mobile or desktop computers. |
| 20:32.13 | comradekingu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core |
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| 20:34.06 | comradekingu | 64bit then |
| 20:34.13 | elik | I'm in the process of upgrading, but ia32-libs package fails to upgrade because of a manually installed package (ia32-libs-workaround-499043). When I try to remove the package, debian complains about unmet dependencies :S |
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| 20:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | elik: You can go ahead and remove it anyway, ignore the dependencies, then install the new one. |
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| 20:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | elik: It might be useful to know what you were upgrading from and to. |
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| 20:38.00 | elik | jhutchins_lt: so I force uninstall^ |
| 20:38.06 | Neo|Desktop | Good afternoon everyone |
| 20:38.34 | jhutchins_lt | elik: It might be easiest to use dpkg to remove it. |
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| 20:39.12 | cirwin | I just read a file that contained a corrupted byte — the next time I opened it, it was fine. What kind of problem would that indicate? |
| 20:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: What is the file stored on? |
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| 20:40.17 | cirwin | a hard drive.. |
| 20:40.22 | Iridos | and duh.. intel has a really confusing multitude of processor names there... also great idea to start counting "pentiumums" instead of calling it 686, 786 and so on |
| 20:40.28 | cahoot_ | the corrupt byte reformed itself? |
| 20:40.36 | cirwin | yes |
| 20:40.47 | Neo|Desktop | i have an intresting situation: my laptop has a non-bootable sdcard slot on it, I have gotten 2 working and seperate linux installs using 'the-boot-partition-the-physical-drive' tactic :p My question is, is there a similar tactic that can be used to boot a windows install from an sdcard |
| 20:40.56 | cirwin | I ran some tests which failed because of an invalid UTF-8 sequence; and the next time I ran them it had gone |
| 20:41.04 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: I would guess that the file on-disk is good, possibly there was a read error or a problem with your RAM. |
| 20:41.05 | jelly-home | cirwin: RAM perhaps. |
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| 20:41.27 | cirwin | ok |
| 20:41.28 | jelly-home | or gremlins |
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| 20:41.32 | razieliyo | hi all |
| 20:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | Cosmic rays. |
| 20:41.38 | cirwin | is that a bad symptom, or just "it happens"? |
| 20:41.51 | razieliyo | I'm having problems at installing new debian, lenny or squeeze, netinst or entire cd |
| 20:41.59 | razieliyo | it says the same error, it breaks at downloading a file |
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| 20:42.09 | razieliyo | and I can't install lilo nor grub |
| 20:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: You could try running memtest, or just re-seating everything. Good excuse to dust out the box. |
| 20:42.18 | cirwin | ok :) |
| 20:42.19 | Iridos | Neo|Desktop, http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html? |
| 20:42.36 | Iridos | and it's not really a question for here... |
| 20:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | razieliyo: Which mirror are you using? What file does it stop at? |
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| 20:43.12 | razieliyo | I'm trying to change the mirror, and it does the same |
| 20:43.17 | razieliyo | the squeeze fails at 959 file |
| 20:43.26 | razieliyo | and lenny, don't really know |
| 20:43.33 | Neo|Desktop | Iridos: ah thanks, i'll take a look at that.. much a ppricated |
| 20:43.40 | razieliyo | the entire CD, really doesn't detect my hardware directly |
| 20:43.44 | jelly-home | Neo|Desktop: there's a ##windows channel |
| 20:43.50 | razieliyo | but well, I use to install it by netinst |
| 20:43.55 | razieliyo | but it fails at a file |
| 20:44.02 | razieliyo | I've downloaded it a few times, the netinst |
| 20:44.04 | razieliyo | but still failing |
| 20:44.07 | razieliyo | I'm getting mad |
| 20:44.22 | razieliyo | the problem is just at downloading packages |
| 20:44.29 | razieliyo | I don't know if using LVM is a cause |
| 20:44.31 | acemi | razieliyo: alt+f4 to see the log |
| 20:44.31 | Arrowmaster | can you tell which package? |
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| 20:45.11 | razieliyo | nice, I'll see the log, now I can't because I've to install it again, but I'll give you the package error when I try to install it again |
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| 20:45.26 | razieliyo | do you think it can be a package problem? |
| 20:45.34 | razieliyo | or a mirror problem? |
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| 20:46.07 | jhutchins | razieliyo: Are you sure you have enough disk space? |
| 20:46.10 | babilen | razieliyo: I would try a minimal netinstall (i.e. one in which you don't install *any* tasks) |
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| 20:46.20 | jhutchins | razieliyo: Could it be a network problem? |
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| 20:46.35 | razieliyo | mmm... can be that, I'm giving usr 10 gb, and root, other 10 gb |
| 20:46.44 | razieliyo | and I don't think it can be a network problem |
| 20:46.55 | razieliyo | because I tried to install it by other mirrors |
| 20:47.11 | razieliyo | and about the minimal netinstall, I've just tried to install the base and X |
| 20:47.28 | razieliyo | you see, I've noticed one thing |
| 20:47.32 | razieliyo | it says the remaining time always |
| 20:47.42 | razieliyo | but when it gets into 959 file, it just doesn't say it |
| 20:48.02 | razieliyo | I really didn't know I could view the log, I think there will be the problem |
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| 20:48.25 | razieliyo | but it's strange, I also thought it was a space problem, but I think that I've given enough space |
| 20:48.35 | razieliyo | what directories use debian for the install? |
| 20:48.47 | razieliyo | so that I could give them more space |
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| 20:52.12 | babilen | razieliyo: 10GB for /usr and / should be more than enough. For a detailed overview see http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/apds02.html.en |
| 20:52.53 | razieliyo | I'm not installing the amd64 version, but I think this will go well |
| 20:52.55 | babilen | razieliyo: But try a *minimal* install and start it from there. You might also want to consider configurin LVM so you can change the size later on |
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| 20:53.21 | babilen | razieliyo: The i386 document has the same appendix (haven't checked if the sizes differ) |
| 20:53.49 | razieliyo | babilen, I'll try that, I've configured LVM well I think, then I'll try what you say about a very minimal install |
| 20:54.01 | razieliyo | I've got to take my girlfriend to her home lol |
| 20:54.11 | razieliyo | so I'll try in about an hour |
| 20:54.16 | razieliyo | and I'll get in here |
| 20:54.43 | babilen | razieliyo: Sure, take your time. May you have a nice day! |
| 20:55.26 | razieliyo | babilen, are you going to stay here a long time? |
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| 20:55.32 | razieliyo | so that I can tell you the results |
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| 20:56.16 | babilen | razieliyo: I might be here, but there are a lot of other people in here as well :) |
| 20:56.29 | razieliyo | yes, you're right =) |
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| 20:56.39 | SuperAlekZ | yo :) |
| 20:56.40 | lokyiot | I want to migrate to debian. What should i get 5.0.7 or squeeze? |
| 20:56.43 | SuperAlekZ | need some help with lighttpd |
| 20:57.01 | SuperAlekZ | don't know how to get rid of one annoying senseless 404 |
| 20:57.33 | daemonkeeper | lokyiot: For your desktop? |
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| 20:58.14 | lokyiot | daemonkeeper: For my laptop, doing c and c++ development. |
| 20:58.16 | babilen | lokyiot: If so, you can try Squeeze. Don't use it for anything mission critical or for machines that offer services to other |
| 20:58.23 | daemonkeeper | If you do care about recent software versions use squeeze, if you do care about security updates and a rock stable distribution use Lenny |
| 20:58.37 | babilen | lokyiot: I run Squeeze happily on my laptop |
| 20:58.56 | lokyiot | babilen: no crashes?:) |
| 20:59.10 | daemonkeeper | Squeeze is about to replace Lenny reasonably soon, so you are rather safe to run it. |
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| 20:59.27 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: define reasonably! |
| 20:59.30 | lokyiot | daemonkeeper: I see, thanks. |
| 20:59.36 | razieliyo | I'm leaving |
| 20:59.45 | razieliyo | bye and thanks!! |
| 20:59.45 | daemonkeeper | jelly-home: "its done when its done"! |
| 20:59.49 | babilen | lokyiot: the "stable" in Debian does not refer to the software being less crash-prone, but rather to the fact that the versions do not change |
| 21:00.05 | SuperAlekZ | Hey guys, how can I find out why a certain uploaded page on my webserver shows 404, though it is at this place? |
| 21:00.09 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: so, probably next year, eh |
| 21:00.36 | babilen | lokyiot: And yes, I am running it without crashes for, well, quit a while |
| 21:00.42 | daemonkeeper | jelly-home: I can remember the Sarge history ... ;) |
| 21:00.48 | babilen | SuperAlekZ: Permissions? |
| 21:00.51 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: first thing is always inspecting the web server logs |
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| 21:01.02 | lokyiot | babilen: I see. Well I'll go for squeeze then. |
| 21:01.05 | babilen | daemonkeeper: newbie ;) |
| 21:01.08 | SuperAlekZ | babilen what exactly? :S |
| 21:01.18 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home I did, but the error.log does not show anything :( |
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| 21:01.32 | babilen | SuperAlekZ: Is it readable? |
| 21:01.33 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: and access.log? |
| 21:01.44 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I didn't say Sarge was my first Debian, I said I can remember what "its done when its done means" since Sarge |
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| 21:02.18 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Oh, yeah! (I did not meant that negative in any way) |
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| 21:02.48 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home "::ffff:77.10.98.169 holygon.com - [05/Dec/2010:21:51:21 +0100] "GET /forum HTTP/1.1" 404 7862 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101026 Firefox/3.6.12"" |
| 21:02.54 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I wasn't offensed. :) |
| 21:02.55 | SuperAlekZ | that's what the access.log says :) |
| 21:03.06 | SuperAlekZ | and babilen yeah afaik it is :/ |
| 21:03.10 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: and does /forum file exist in your documentroot? |
| 21:03.23 | SuperAlekZ | yep it exists |
| 21:03.31 | SuperAlekZ | babilen it's 0755 so it should be readable |
| 21:03.35 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: a _file_? |
| 21:03.51 | SuperAlekZ | _file_ ? :S |
| 21:04.09 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: is it a file or something else? |
| 21:04.22 | jelly-home | (say, a directory) |
| 21:04.44 | SuperAlekZ | forum is a directory |
| 21:04.58 | SuperAlekZ | but there are also files in it, but it's the same with them :/ |
| 21:05.35 | zophy | is gmail.com broken ? |
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| 21:08.35 | yoshio | SuperAlekZ, try getting "/forum/" (add a trailing slash) |
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| 21:08.54 | SuperAlekZ | yoshio same :/ |
| 21:08.55 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: inspect your virtual host and document root settings; Inspect any rewrite rules you may have in place. |
| 21:09.15 | SuperAlekZ | i did :/ |
| 21:09.25 | jelly-home | I don't use lighttpd so I can't make any smarter suggestions |
| 21:09.41 | SuperAlekZ | i can put them on paste.debian.net :/ |
| 21:10.24 | jelly-home | there's a #lighttpd channel that may have more clueful people |
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| 21:10.54 | kabo69 | Hi! |
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| 21:11.53 | kabo69 | I'm trying to set up a chrooted ssh-account on lenny. But I can't get it to work. I can log in, but I don't seem to be chrooted. pwd displays the full path, not the chrooted path. |
| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: your wordpress setup may interfere with any other stuff |
| 21:12.13 | kabo69 | anybody think they can help or point me in the right direction to get some help? |
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| 21:13.13 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: see how your 404 page looks the same even if you type http://holygon.com/whatever |
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| 21:15.42 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home yea i had that on my mind too :/ hm gotta look into #lighttpd |
| 21:15.44 | SuperAlekZ | thanks anyways ;) |
| 21:16.50 | HackeMate | is there something as dreamweaver for linux' |
| 21:16.52 | HackeMate | ? |
| 21:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: No. |
| 21:17.25 | daemonkeeper | There was something once |
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| 21:17.35 | daemonkeeper | I can't remember its name right now |
| 21:17.56 | HackeMate | so there are no webmasters on linux? |
| 21:18.00 | HackeMate | what they use |
| 21:18.07 | jhutchins_lt | In linux we're real men and hack out raw HTML with vi. |
| 21:18.21 | HackeMate | i feel just pwnt |
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| 21:19.09 | Digdilem | mozilla did something for linux, but it wasn't as rich as dreamweaver |
| 21:19.12 | daemonkeeper | There was really something feeling like Dremweaver some years ago. I didn't follow its development since years though. |
| 21:19.17 | skamikaze | HackeMate: check out openkomodo/geany |
| 21:19.28 | skamikaze | HackeMate: if you don't mind performance take eclipse |
| 21:19.42 | HackeMate | hm, i'll take a look |
| 21:19.43 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 21:19.45 | Digdilem | HackeMate, nvu was it |
| 21:19.48 | AndroUser | hey, i rebooted my computer after i installed a program via wine (windows program said i had to restart) and when i started up i was in a command line and startx doesnt work because it was "unable to connect to X server" |
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| 21:19.58 | Digdilem | HackeMate, also mozilla composer, but that might be dead now |
| 21:19.59 | daemonkeeper | Exactly Digdilem |
| 21:20.01 | HackeMate | nvu is not being developed |
| 21:20.11 | daemonkeeper | NVU was what I meant |
| 21:20.12 | Digdilem | k |
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| 21:20.21 | HackeMate | yahp |
| 21:20.47 | Digdilem | dw was one of my killer apps I couldn't live without one time I tried to switch over fulltime to a linux work environment. I even played with running dw in wine |
| 21:20.51 | daemonkeeper | http://www.kompozer.net/ Seems to be NVU's successor |
| 21:20.56 | Digdilem | which i understand is easier now, so might be worth checking out too |
| 21:21.00 | jhutchins | HackeMate: I've used Quanta - it offers more of a development environment, and priviews. |
| 21:21.05 | jhutchins | previews even. |
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| 21:21.30 | jhutchins | Most of the wysiwig stuff like ooffice generates HORRIBLE code. |
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| 21:21.58 | Digdilem | you could always run MS Word in wine and save as html... |
| 21:21.59 | pipeline | soffice html output is unusable |
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| 21:22.05 | HackeMate | finally i will learn html on vi :/ |
| 21:22.08 | pipeline | word html output is even worse |
| 21:22.08 | xingu | wonders whatever happened to... amaya |
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| 21:23.37 | compaq | I wish I could learn emacs or vi, but I finally gave up and use Kate |
| 21:23.49 | Digdilem | i use jed for most things. life's too short. |
| 21:23.59 | HackeMate | yes, jed is the best |
| 21:24.05 | pipeline | it's an editor, use whatever floats your boat |
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| 21:24.15 | Digdilem | yep. let's not re-kindle editor wars |
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| 21:24.51 | compaq | I will check out jed then |
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| 21:25.34 | HackeMate | jed is textmode |
| 21:26.08 | jhutchins | Vi is pretty handy if you get stuck on a terminal that's not allowing control characters or F-keys. |
| 21:26.39 | jhutchins | Crud. I need to boot back to the .26 kernel again to use my scanner. |
| 21:26.46 | jhutchins | Sure wish they'd fix that. |
| 21:26.56 | Digdilem | yeah. it's worth knowing how to drive the basics of vi, as it's sometimes all you'll have available |
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| 21:29.07 | compaq | oh Jed, is like emacs |
| 21:29.13 | compaq | nano |
| 21:29.24 | compaq | nano is sometimes all you have, vi you have to install to have it |
| 21:29.40 | cast | compaq: really, i've found the converse |
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| 21:30.41 | cast | a vi implementation is in the base install isn't it? |
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| 21:31.26 | pipeline | compaq: nano is actually very uncommon |
| 21:31.28 | pipeline | compaq: yes |
| 21:31.36 | pipeline | cast: yes, there is a crude vi in the base install |
| 21:32.03 | pipeline | vi and ed are the only truly universal unix editors |
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| 21:32.17 | pipeline | and it would be wise to learn vi/ex/ed enough to fumble around |
| 21:32.25 | dvs | not edlin?!? ;-) |
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| 21:32.37 | pipeline | if only to cover the situations in which you don't have your obscure editor choices (emacs, jed, joe, nano, pico, elvis, whatever) |
| 21:32.57 | pipeline | vi is the unix notepad. You may not like it, but you can always trust that it's installed. |
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| 21:33.23 | compaq | if your computer is broken, and you need to repair it, and you interupt the boot process and get the command shell, there is not vi, but there is nano, or maybe its something else, but its not vi, and I am pretty sure its nano |
| 21:34.03 | acemi | debian installer has nano, but no vi |
| 21:34.13 | pipeline | compaq: actually busybox includes vi, not nano :| |
| 21:34.20 | compaq | acemi, yep, thats what I meant |
| 21:34.40 | compaq | pipegeek, check out acemi's comment |
| 21:35.31 | jhutchins | Debian enjoys being different. |
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| 21:35.58 | Iridos | different than Debian? |
| 21:36.24 | jhutchins | Of course! |
| 21:36.36 | Iridos | then it must be *buntu |
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| 21:38.09 | shadowscene | Question. When I run sudo apt-get update |
| 21:38.17 | shadowscene | and then sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 21:38.40 | shadowscene | I get several lines of "failed to set locale" |
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| 21:41.46 | fbs | hmm, shortquestion guys |
| 21:42.14 | fbs | if you make a lvm with a ntfs partition in it, is windows able to use it ? |
| 21:42.44 | jhutchins | fbs: One way to find out. |
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| 21:43.04 | fbs | ah ok |
| 21:43.25 | fbs | lets find a windows pc XD |
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| 21:47.01 | pipeline | fbs: no. |
| 21:47.30 | fbs | ah ballz |
| 21:47.47 | fbs | im gonna try any wauy |
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| 21:48.29 | abrotman | fbs: how do you expect windows to understand LVM ? |
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| 21:49.47 | fbs | abrotman: i dont |
| 21:50.05 | fbs | i had a bit of hope |
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| 21:50.11 | abrotman | thinks the plan has failed before it has begun .. |
| 21:50.48 | fbs | its just that from time to time i hope ms does something good |
| 21:51.16 | compaq | fbs, why do you run lvm? |
| 21:51.20 | ttiicc | windows 7 is the best thing they have done for years |
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| 21:51.44 | fbs | compaq: easy partition resizing |
| 21:51.50 | ttiicc | and office might also be quite good, the rest is just crap! |
| 21:51.53 | fbs | ttiicc: maybe, but they dont support nfs ... |
| 21:52.08 | abrotman | they do, but windows is offtopic here anyway |
| 21:52.19 | fbs | abrotman: only in ultimate |
| 21:52.26 | fbs | but that s offtopic |
| 21:52.26 | compaq | ttiicc, it doesn't matter how good it is, they leave their own backdoors, so unless you trust them |
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| 21:52.43 | compaq | fbh, oh, I thought it was for running multiple os's |
| 21:52.57 | ttiicc | no because they don't know that linux is evalving as an competetor |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | fbs: still wrong ... |
| 21:53.15 | fbs | o |
| 21:53.16 | abrotman | invites everyone to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:53.25 | fbs | ok, on my way :P |
| 21:53.32 | dvs | yay! |
| 21:53.42 | fbs | freenode or oftc? |
| 21:53.48 | abrotman | freenode |
| 21:53.56 | abrotman | invites dvs too! |
| 21:54.04 | dvs | yay! |
| 21:54.28 | dvs | gets out of the snowfall |
| 21:55.41 | amee2k | woot! bios update fixed the acpi crashes \o/ |
| 21:55.55 | amee2k | i don't remember who recommended it, but thanks a lot! |
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| 22:03.37 | rzeka | When I configured bind9 dns server what should I set at my provider? |
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| 22:06.17 | ragnar_de | hi all |
| 22:06.25 | babilen | welcome |
| 22:07.38 | stiles | could someone traceroute 213.251.145.96 --type=udp |
| 22:07.39 | ragnar_de | i'm relativ new to debian ( the last i have seen was debian 1.3 on m68k ) and i dont know how to give write access to an external usb hdd. someone can give me a hint for that? |
| 22:08.34 | jhutchins_lt | !rw |
| 22:08.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rw is Marcelo Toledo from Salvador - Bahia/BRAZIL. More information you can see in http://rw.locked.org/ |
| 22:08.49 | jhutchins_lt | Well, that's not much use. |
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| 22:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | amee2k: Yay! |
| 22:09.22 | amee2k | :) |
| 22:09.33 | amee2k | installing deb stable right now |
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| 22:09.58 | amee2k | damn, that was a nasty piece of work |
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| 22:10.33 | ragnar_de | amee2k: i did it last night, today too. |
| 22:10.53 | amee2k | did what? |
| 22:10.59 | amee2k | you got laid? |
| 22:11.54 | compaq | amee2k, what was so nasty about it? |
| 22:12.41 | amee2k | hp doesn't just release the flash image and an updater tool |
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| 22:12.49 | amee2k | or even a floppyimage |
| 22:13.33 | amee2k | what you download is some awkward "installer" that can create a floppy for you |
| 22:14.00 | amee2k | so you need to install a windows VM, and let it write its stuff to a floppy image |
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| 22:14.04 | babilen | floppy? does it work with CDs as well? |
| 22:14.10 | amee2k | until you can make your floppy and update the bios |
| 22:14.27 | babilen | gah, I know now why I am not updating my bios :-\ |
| 22:14.32 | compaq | amee2k, hmm, I don't know abou that. I just download the netinstall or cd1 |
| 22:14.53 | amee2k | babilen: how do you make a cdrom from a windows program that is ndesigned to vomit its stuff onto a floppy drive? |
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| 22:15.39 | babilen | amee2k: beats me ... point is, that all the floppy drives are in the cellar |
| 22:15.43 | compaq | amee2k, hmm, don't know what you are talking about, you are installing on some new hardware eh, not a typically laptop or desktop |
| 22:15.57 | babilen | compaq: BIOS upgrade of HP box |
| 22:16.11 | amee2k | compaw armada 1700 |
| 22:16.27 | amee2k | and apparently HP is doing armada support now |
| 22:16.29 | compaq | oh, isn't that kind of thing OS independent |
| 22:17.31 | amee2k | http://preview.tinyurl.com/344zlv2 << thats the update |
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| 22:18.05 | amee2k | well, technically updating the bios flash isn't linked to any os in particular, or to any os in general |
| 22:18.21 | amee2k | but manufacturers have a way to making connections where there are none ;) |
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| 22:18.56 | amee2k | hench probably why they only provide an upgrade procedure that works on windows... because the box came with that on it according to the sticker |
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| 22:19.28 | compaq | Hp is stupid like that |
| 22:19.36 | amee2k | and manufacturers also have a way of going to great lengths to make sure they're not accidentially supporting something they didn't ship |
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| 22:20.17 | amee2k | compaq: i'm not exactly sure this kind of misbehaviour is restricted to any company in particular |
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| 22:20.55 | compaq | HP pretends to support linux hardware, but then these updates rely on windows, it is so annoying. maybe you could make a small partition, install windows, do the update and then remove it. Be a long procedure though |
| 22:21.18 | compaq | amee2k, IBM bios updates aren't like that |
| 22:21.43 | amee2k | in the industry YOU don't upgrade your bios. the industry will upgrade YOUR thoughts |
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| 22:22.01 | remur_030 | Hi, I use http://dev.hornung.dynalias.com/on-demand-vm-with-xinetd.html to start a vm on demand |
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| 22:22.45 | remur_030 | but I would like it to also send a command when that rdp connection is gone, as in, suspend when rdp down, is there a way to catch this as well with xinetd? |
| 22:22.52 | amee2k | compaq: for a 2 minute job? i don't think so. i downloaded ... errr *cough* installed windows in virtualbox, then let the program vomit its insides on a floppy image |
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| 22:25.24 | compaq | amee2k, I had one of those HP IPAQ handhelds, And Installed Linux right away, and went to browse the net, but it required an update, cause everyone these days using some new kind of internet, and to install the update, you need windows, so I had to install windows and then install upate and Linux again. ANd to do these Linux installs, you need to use zmodem for transfer which take 40mins |
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| 22:26.02 | amee2k | lol |
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| 22:26.25 | amee2k | many years ago i had a Cassiopeia PDA that was kinda cool |
| 22:26.47 | compaq | cook |
| 22:26.51 | compaq | wpa internet |
| 22:27.04 | compaq | everyone these days has wpa internet |
| 22:27.06 | amee2k | i'd kinda like a pda again i think, but that market kinda doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:27.28 | compaq | amee2k, c'mon, its huge, look at blackberry |
| 22:27.33 | magyar | hmm, is there a electronic circuit channel on freenode? |
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| 22:27.51 | amee2k | well, obviously it wouldn't be the fat chunk it was back then anymore |
| 22:27.57 | amee2k | but still |
| 22:28.04 | amee2k | PDAs don't exist anymore |
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| 22:28.15 | amee2k | it either netbook or mobile phone today |
| 22:28.21 | billy_ | hi, I'm looking for help with Glade - where do I go? |
| 22:28.25 | compaq | amee2k, these smart phones are pda's |
| 22:28.27 | amee2k | with tablets slowly squeezinh in between |
| 22:28.31 | zafer | join |
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| 22:28.41 | compaq | amee2k, cell phones are integrated devices, phone, pda, camera |
| 22:28.59 | amee2k | not really |
| 22:29.02 | dvs | jukebox |
| 22:29.04 | compaq | I never use my pda, or cell phone. The ipaq's are phones |
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| 22:29.38 | amee2k | when my trusty old dell laptop gives out i'll probably get a netbook though |
| 22:30.06 | amee2k | provided you can still get any vaguely useful ones without contract by then |
| 22:30.38 | amee2k | thats so ridiculous about tablets anyway... i'd really like to try one |
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| 22:30.44 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:30.44 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:30.54 | compaq | amee2k, but the screens are really small, too small to enjoy as a laptop |
| 22:30.57 | abrotman | billy_: did you check irc.gnome.org ? |
| 22:30.59 | amee2k | but they're either effin expensive, or the contract is |
| 22:31.05 | abrotman | amee2k: #debian-offtopic |
| 22:31.30 | billy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:31.33 | compaq | my bad |
| 22:31.42 | amee2k | compaq: mmmh, agreed. but the point is kinda as PDA substitute |
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| 22:32.14 | compaq | amee2k, we have to take it to #debian-offtopic if we chose to continue, I am already there |
| 22:32.23 | aleray | hi, I'm looking for a software to manually calibrate my monitor. Is there any? |
| 22:32.59 | amee2k | compaq: hu? |
| 22:33.10 | abrotman | aleray: calibrate the color ? temperature ? thta kind of stuff? |
| 22:33.16 | abrotman | amee2k: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 22:33.36 | pipeline | aleray: to calibrate properly you'll need a colorimeter |
| 22:33.42 | aleray | abrotman, yes. Colors look awful on my monitor. |
| 22:33.54 | abrotman | judd: info kgamma |
| 22:33.55 | judd | Package kgamma (graphics, optional) in lenny/i386: gamma correction module for the KDE Control Center. Version: 4:3.5.9-3+lenny3; Size: 73.1k; Installed: 312k; Homepage: http://kgamma.berlios.de/index2.php |
| 22:33.58 | pipeline | aleray: color guages are not that expensive... but they ain't free |
| 22:33.58 | poisonbit | xcalib + an .icc file |
| 22:33.59 | abrotman | that's the only one i know of |
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| 22:34.09 | aleray | pipeline, I don't want to be that precise... Just want to do to by eye |
| 22:34.14 | pipeline | aleray: incidentally, what monitor do you have ? |
| 22:34.26 | aleray | samsung 923NW |
| 22:34.32 | aleray | first price for lcd monitor |
| 22:34.48 | aleray | cheapest I mean |
| 22:35.29 | aleray | abrotman, kgamma, yes but I don't have/want the kde control ceneter |
| 22:35.30 | pipeline | aleray: unfortunately that is a TN (twisted nematic) panel |
| 22:35.41 | pipeline | aleray: there's not very much you can do to calibrate the color |
| 22:35.47 | pipeline | aleray: TNs have intrinsically terrible color |
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| 22:36.02 | abrotman | aleray: okay, poisonbit suggested xcalib and an ICC file |
| 22:36.04 | pipeline | aleray: you can use kgamma etc to try to help with white and black level, but the color quality is gonna be shit |
| 22:36.15 | pipeline | abrotman, aleray: yeah an icc profile ain't gonna help |
| 22:36.31 | abrotman | might help, maybe not get it perfedt |
| 22:36.40 | pipeline | aleray: TN panels have a lot of good stuff going for them: nice viewing angle, fast transitions, cheap as hell.... but the color quality is always *awful*. |
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| 22:36.59 | pipeline | abrotman: haha dude on my old tn panel at work, red and orange were the same color. Calibration is not a meaningful word in that context :P |
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| 22:39.11 | aleray | pipeline, can I use kgamma with the kde control center? |
| 22:39.19 | aleray | s/with/without/ |
| 22:39.29 | pipeline | aleray: beats me |
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| 22:41.51 | aleray | pipeline, ? |
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| 22:52.51 | tuv | modprobe kvm (or kvm_intel) fails with: "kvm: disagrees about version of symbol smp_ops" "kvm: Unknown symbol smp_ops" in syslog |
| 22:52.54 | tuv | but if i reboot, it gets loaded automatically on boot |
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| 22:55.09 | plugwash | does anyone know of any documentation on how debian handles software raid? |
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| 22:55.50 | plugwash | i've read the upstream mdadm documenation but i'd like more debian specific info like what if anything raid related the standard debian init scripts do |
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| 22:57.15 | jordanm | plugwash: grep 'madm' /etc/init.d/* ? |
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| 23:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | plugwash: Most of it's just going to be standard upstream stuff. |
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| 23:10.43 | poisonbit | plugwash, always you may look into /usr/share/doc/packagename for debian specific READMEs, NEWs, and changelogs |
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| 23:19.01 | jelly-home | plugwash: in addition to what others mentioned, there's also the initramfs image integration and cron jobs. basically you'll have to inspect all the contents of the mdadm package. |
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| 23:20.06 | plugwash | mmm, I'm currently looking through the stuff in /usr/share/doc for the mdadm package |
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| 23:22.15 | Ruint | ohi |
| 23:23.33 | Ruint | q: kfreebsd, ready for use? |
| 23:23.53 | Ruint | last time i used debian, was in the days of sarge being testing >.> |
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| 23:24.34 | abrotman | Ruint: there's a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net .. i think lots of people use it, but they'd be better to ask i would think |
| 23:25.16 | Ruint | ty :) |
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| 23:33.42 | jelly-home | G |
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| 23:34.02 | abrotman | :$ |
| 23:34.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: what a weird looking smiley |
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| 23:34.32 | abrotman | that's a way to get to the bottom :) |
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| 23:35.22 | matte3560 | Is there a tickless kernel i can use with Debian lenny? |
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| 23:35.24 | jelly-home | two keypresses too many |
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| 23:36.31 | abrotman | matte3560: the one you compile yourself? |
| 23:37.05 | matte3560 | I'm a bit short on experience here, some pointers would be nice |
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| 23:38.36 | matte3560 | I'm running a gameserver in a VM, and i hear it's supposed to improve performance. It stutters ever so slightly, and I think the only way to fix it is by using a tickless kernel |
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| 23:38.51 | MagusOTB | I'm looking to set up a traffic shaper for my network, and am sort of lost as to where to even start. Can anybody suggest packages I should look into or things I should be googling? |
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| 23:39.28 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 23:39.29 | dpkg | The Wonder Shaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ See also <lartc>. |
| 23:39.58 | MagusOTB | abrotman: Awesome, thanks :D |
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| 23:56.19 | matte3560 | Okay, I found this guide to compiling a new kernel (http://goo.gl/y4Tia). What do I need to change in the config to make the kernel tickless? |
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| 23:57.42 | poisonbit | to make the kernel tickles, you need to change (disable) all the things that you (your system) do not use, and take as (M)odule all the things do not needed to boot the initrd |
| 23:57.57 | poisonbit | ^^^ matte3560 |
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