| 00:00.23 | pittstains | babilen: i think i either need to run a command as the user in question to disown it (not aware of the sh equivalent of disown, if one exists), or i need to run a command as root that transfers ownership of the job to another user... and i don't think such a command exists |
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| 00:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | pittstains: Screen would be useful for something like this, but requires that the program be started in screen. |
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| 00:03.33 | pittstains | jhutchins_lt: thanks. yeah, i wouldn't have started the job with that user if i'd known that disown isn't available in dash |
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| 00:10.28 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal lenny->squeeze |
| 00:10.28 | dpkg | "lenny->squeeze" is "<reply>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>." |
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| 00:11.47 | nameless` | jhutchins_lt: thanks :) |
| 00:11.47 | jelly-home | themill: hm, factinfo still says last modified at Mon Nov 29 |
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| 00:12.21 | themill | jelly-home: no idea... |
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| 00:15.42 | Guest32570 | Hi, is there a Website that mirrors Debian disk images that have been setup with say AMP stack, FTP, e-mail, etc? |
| 00:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | Guest32570: For VM's? |
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| 00:18.28 | Guest32570 | jhutchins_lt: dedicated servers |
| 00:18.39 | babilen | Guest32570: "aptitude install apache2-mpm-prefork php5 $FTPD" and "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" after the base install |
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| 00:19.26 | babilen | ah, I always forget MySQL (why is that?) |
| 00:20.20 | pipeline | because it's forgettable |
| 00:20.26 | acemi_ | oracle effect |
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| 00:22.20 | mark22 | http://yourpaste.net/6282/ what should I add/change to get the IPv6 address working (I did restart the network and reboot the system), the IPv4 address works |
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| 00:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | Guest32570: Not that I know of. |
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| 00:25.14 | jhutchins_lt | Guest32570: There is preseed, but you have to build your own template. |
| 00:25.19 | Guest32570 | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 00:26.33 | mtx_init | is there a way to remove all packages from a debian system and just restore it to its minimal form? |
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| 00:28.23 | babilen | Guest32570: ah, you don't want to setup your own dedicated server but rather provide easy default installs? |
| 00:28.43 | babilen | Guest32570: For users of your servers? |
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| 00:43.29 | Chris-D_ | pallgone, well... if you remember the problem I had.... I figured it out lol |
| 00:43.59 | Chris-D_ | stupid dumb thing - I checked the default gateway I set on the machine... and it was on the wrong subnet DOH! |
| 00:44.00 | Chris-D_ | lol |
| 00:44.06 | Chris-D_ | anyways, thought I would update ya |
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| 00:51.19 | doberman | where can I find the latest stable kernel for debian ? |
| 00:51.53 | bronaugh | ok, got a weird problem. I have an LSI 1068E based controller with 8 disks attached to it -- uses mptsas driver. today I pulled a disk because it was going bad; replaced it with another disk. spew regarding pulling the disk showed up in dmesg... and no spew about plugging in the disk. |
| 00:52.23 | bronaugh | I used lsiutil to show devices connected to the controller; the drive's there, but with target id 8 instead of 5 like it had previously. |
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| 00:52.24 | OceanIRC15110 | . H . E . L . L . O . #debian . H . E . L . L . O . |
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| 00:53.33 | themill | How does one convince totem to play media over an sftp:// url in squeeze? (It just worked ⢠in lenny but seems to need something else installed or otherwise fiddled with in squeeze) |
| 00:53.35 | stew | doberman: are you running stable? do you have a url for security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:55.23 | bronaugh | another discrepancy: the corresponding port in /sys/class/sas_host/host5/device/ (port-5:8) lacks an end_device directory. |
| 00:55.32 | bronaugh | any ideas? |
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| 00:56.29 | babilen | themill: Haven't tested it, but do you have gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs installed? |
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| 00:57.13 | doberman | stew: yes I've got an url for security. in apt sources. I'm currently running an old openvz version, but wanna switch to latest standard stable version so kinda need some help because server is production and don't wanna mess up anything :-) |
| 00:57.18 | themill | babilen: no -- I had read that you shouldn't have that installed because gvfs was the new cool kid to play with... but I'll try that, yes. |
| 00:57.35 | stew | doberman: what deos "uname -r" say now? |
| 00:57.46 | doberman | stew: 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 |
| 00:58.04 | stew | doberman: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 00:58.09 | babilen | themill: Yeah, gnomevfs was deprecated quite a long time ago |
| 00:58.34 | doberman | stew: done |
| 00:58.44 | themill | babilen: well the error message changed by installing that package... I'll have a play :) |
| 00:58.53 | babilen | hehe |
| 01:00.00 | themill | babilen: workies! seems gnome-vfs ignores useful settings like "User" in ~/.ssh/config even though it does make use of other things you define in there. Yay :S |
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| 01:00.04 | themill | thanks |
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| 01:01.53 | mrsprinkles | I'm kind of new to debian. I'm using backports and I'm begin affected by this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584585 it looks like it's been fixed, but I was wondering if anyone had a guess about how long before this fix would show up on stable so that I can safe-upgrade my box? |
| 01:03.07 | babilen | themill: In a way I would consider this behaviour a bug. gnomevfs shouldn't be needed anymore and gvfs should work as gnomevfs before ... glad it is working though. :) |
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| 01:12.29 | Cullz | is there a dedicated channel for linux security issues or computer security issues? |
| 01:17.49 | stew | Cullz: alis might help you find one, /msg alis help |
| 01:18.07 | Cullz | thanks |
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| 01:19.44 | mrsprinkles | does anyone know how long it takes a bug in stable that's been fixed and tagged as pending to be uploaded and made available? |
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| 01:21.46 | stew | mrsprinkles: is it security related? |
| 01:22.26 | mrsprinkles | stew: sorry i didn't specify that. no, it's not security related. but it does prevent safe-upgrades when using backports |
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| 01:22.31 | mrsprinkles | this is the particular bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584585 |
| 01:22.50 | stew | mrsprinkles: then its not likely to be fixed ever in stable. the fix would come with the next stable release of debian |
| 01:23.08 | mrsprinkles | stew: ahh, got it. thank you! |
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| 01:23.50 | stew | mrsprinkles: this one is already marked as fixed in stable |
| 01:23.58 | stew | oh, no i read that wrong |
| 01:24.06 | rwt | when making a filesystem |
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| 01:24.16 | rwt | you are suppose to reserver blocks for root |
| 01:24.23 | rwt | how much does this have to be? |
| 01:24.36 | rwt | as on a big raided sytem |
| 01:24.37 | mrsprinkles | stew: haha =) |
| 01:24.41 | stew | mrsprinkles: but typically a bug being marked as pending just means that the fix has been found. its still up to the maintainer to upload a fix, which would be uploaded to unstable, typically |
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| 01:24.49 | rwt | it can start to take up a lot of space |
| 01:25.06 | mrsprinkles | stew: cool. thnx bro! |
| 01:25.13 | doberman | stew: so that was it, no grub configuration or anything ? |
| 01:25.30 | dondelelcaro | mrsprinkles: in a lot of cases, maintainers use it to indicate that they've fixed the bug in their source repositories, and it'll be fixed the next time they upload |
| 01:26.01 | stew | doberman: it should have been taken care of automatically, package installation should be caused "update-grub" to be run |
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| 01:26.32 | Cullz | rwt: do you mean a root partition? |
| 01:26.40 | rwt | no |
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| 01:26.47 | rwt | http://linux.die.net/man/8/mkfs.ext3 |
| 01:26.52 | rwt | -m switch |
| 01:27.30 | doberman | stew: so I assume 2.6-amd64 installed 2.6.26-2-amd64, is that latest stable for debian ? |
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| 01:27.46 | stew | doberman: yes |
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| 01:28.30 | Cullz | are older architectures updated / fixed less often than new stuff? i run i386 |
| 01:28.53 | stew | rwt: its a good idea to make sure that partitions containing /root /var /tmp have some room reseved for root. for a partition containing nothing but data, it might not be as essential |
| 01:29.04 | doberman | stew: one more dumb question, does grub default start from 0 or 1 ? |
| 01:29.12 | stew | doberman: 0 |
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| 01:29.16 | rwt | thx stew |
| 01:29.21 | doberman | stew: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 01:29.21 | canthus13 | I've just swapped motherboards on my media server (running Lenny), from MSI to Asrock. For some reason, the NIC isn't found. This happened once before, when swapping a motherboard on another machine. How would I convince it to find the NIC without reinstalling? |
| 01:29.44 | zinx | canthus13: what NIC is it? some require firmware that you must install separately |
| 01:29.45 | sc30317 | Hey all; I want to get a better understanding of how apt works. Does anyone know where I can download the apt source code or read more about it? |
| 01:29.46 | CaT[t3] | was it not found or was it found but has different eth* assignments? |
| 01:29.57 | stew | canthus13: are you sure its not just renamed? udev would try to give a new nic a new name, like eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 01:30.15 | canthus13 | ifconfig only shows lo. |
| 01:30.16 | stew | sc30317: http://packages.debian.org/apt |
| 01:30.37 | mark22 | that could be caused by having it listed under the wrong name |
| 01:30.39 | zinx | canthus13: ifconfig -a |
| 01:30.43 | sc30317 | stew, thanks |
| 01:31.18 | canthus13 | Ah. you're right. it's eth1 now. thanks. |
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| 01:31.34 | stew | canthus13: /msg dpkg 70 |
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| 01:32.34 | canthus13 | stew: Eh? |
| 01:32.55 | stew | dpkg: 70 |
| 01:32.55 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 01:33.30 | rwt | how do you check disk/ unmounted volumes? |
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| 01:34.02 | mark22 | rwt: what do you want to check? |
| 01:34.14 | rwt | a filesystem |
| 01:34.19 | rwt | thor raid |
| 01:34.28 | rwt | that doesn;t show in : df |
| 01:35.16 | mark22 | is it listed in /dev/disk/by-path/ ? |
| 01:35.52 | stew | rwt: you want to do a real filesystem check? or just find out the stuff listed in df? |
| 01:36.10 | rwt | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.14 | rwt | i think i did it |
| 01:36.19 | rwt | with : fdisk -l |
| 01:36.26 | stew | rwt: "fsck /dev/whatever" (which should ONLY be done when it is unmounted) |
| 01:36.37 | stew | rwt: no, that's just listing partitions, it doesn't know anything about filesystems |
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| 01:44.34 | rwt | stew: what is a low super user size for disk |
| 01:44.46 | rwt | can i use decimals for percentage? |
| 01:44.59 | rwt | the reason i ask is it is a huge |
| 01:45.02 | rwt | terabytes |
| 01:45.09 | rwt | for files only |
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| 01:46.40 | homekevin | Does anyone happen to know of a way to print a Bash variable (or environment variable) with escapes for non-printable chars? Basically to see exactly what is stored in the var? |
| 01:46.57 | homekevin | Without expansion, etc. |
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| 01:49.14 | dondelelcaro | homekevin: you could try echoing to hexdump -C or similar |
| 01:49.31 | rwt | is there a super user block minimum? |
| 01:49.40 | homekevin | Ah, not a bad idea, dondelelcaro. |
| 01:50.05 | dondelelcaro | rwt: no, but you want some on all non-user filesystems |
| 01:50.30 | rwt | can i put decimals |
| 01:50.34 | rwt | like .1 |
| 01:50.34 | dondelelcaro | rwt: sure |
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| 01:51.14 | dondelelcaro | rwt: and if that doesn't work, you can use reserved-blocks-count |
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| 01:52.47 | Wyzard | rwt: I set the reserved blocks percentage to zero on filesystems that only store user files (e.g. /home) |
| 01:53.15 | Wyzard | Filling one of those up doesn't prevent the administrator from being able to use the system |
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| 01:54.09 | rwt | Wyzard; thx |
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| 01:58.21 | rwt | mkfs.ext4 -m 0 /dev/mapper/sda |
| 01:58.31 | rwt | Size of device /dev/mapper/sda too big to be expressed in 32 bits |
| 01:58.31 | rwt | using a blocksize of 4096. |
| 01:58.39 | Pinchiukas | What should I use to dial with my 3G modem? |
| 01:58.45 | rwt | can i increase block zixe? |
| 01:59.15 | rwt | it is huge btw 22TB |
| 01:59.40 | Wyzard | rwt: Looks like you might need to use -Tlargefile or -Tlargefile4 (see /etc/mke2fs.conf) |
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| 02:01.21 | ggh | hi,how to get a customized live debian system and install it to a flash disk as a usb-hdd when booting pc? |
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| 02:01.54 | rwt | <Wyzard>: what does -Tlargefile do |
| 02:01.59 | rwt | searched for it in conf |
| 02:02.12 | rwt | wait fund it |
| 02:02.17 | rwt | *found |
| 02:02.34 | rwt | whats better |
| 02:03.16 | Pinchiukas | Anyone? wvdial? |
| 02:03.17 | Wyzard | rwt: The difference between them is the inode_ratio setting, so take a look at the "-i" option in "man mke2fs" |
| 02:04.30 | Wyzard | rwt: largefile4 gives you fewer inodes, which means a lower limit on the total number of files that can exist on the filesystem, but also gives you more available space (since the inode tables are smaller) |
| 02:05.26 | Wyzard | rwt: I'd suggest you try largefile4, using the "-v" option of mke2fs so it tells you the actual number of inodes created |
| 02:05.33 | jelly-home | rwt: did the mkfs succeed? If it did, you don't have to tweak anything further. |
| 02:06.00 | Wyzard | rwt: and if you think you might ever need to have more than that many files on the filesystem at the same time, run mke2fs again with the largefile setting |
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| 02:06.47 | jelly-home | ext4 has decent fast fsck, I don't think there's a reason to skimp on inodes |
| 02:06.54 | jelly-home | decently* |
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| 02:08.44 | Cullz | hi. which is correct package to get youtube and google videos etc working in newly installed lenny? |
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| 02:09.23 | dvs | Cullz: depends on your browser |
| 02:09.50 | Cullz | iceweasel |
| 02:10.53 | rwt | 'mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -i largefile -v /dev/mapper/sda' == just checking, that seems right... |
| 02:10.56 | dvs | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:11.26 | Cullz | ok. how is it added? i have added non-free in sources.list and updated. still wont find it |
| 02:11.35 | babilen | Cullz: You are probably asking about flash. You want to install flashplugin-nonfree from backports. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:11.42 | Wyzard | rwt: Looks reasonable, though I'm a bit confused that you have a device-mapper node named "sda" |
| 02:12.01 | Cullz | will sun-java6-jre do it? |
| 02:12.04 | Wyzard | rwt: since it's presumably not the same device as the physical disk /dev/sda |
| 02:12.07 | rwt | no |
| 02:12.12 | rwt | well loopback |
| 02:12.22 | babilen | Cullz: Another way of dealing with this is to upgrade to Squeeze or reinstalling using the Squeeze weeklies. |
| 02:12.26 | Wyzard | Something like dm-crypt? |
| 02:12.33 | Wyzard | I'd use "sda-plaintext" for that |
| 02:12.58 | Wyzard | (though I actually use mine as an LVM PV rather than a raw filesystem) |
| 02:13.06 | rwt | mkfs.ext4: invalid inode ratio largefile (min 1024/max 65536) |
| 02:13.20 | Wyzard | oh, sorry, that should be -T, not -i |
| 02:13.30 | rwt | oh |
| 02:13.36 | babilen | Cullz: If it is a very new installation I would either reinstall or install the package from backports. (The recommendation for Squeeze is based on the assumption that we are talking about a desktop/laptop for personal use) |
| 02:13.53 | rwt | mkfs.ext4: Size of device /dev/mapper/sda too big to be expressed in 32 bits |
| 02:13.53 | rwt | using a blocksize of 4096. |
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| 02:14.39 | Cullz | babilen: i added backports url and ran apt-get -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:14.45 | Cullz | doesnt find it |
| 02:15.10 | babilen | Cullz: You ran "apt-get update" ? |
| 02:15.15 | Cullz | yes |
| 02:15.35 | Wyzard | rwt: Is that with "-Tlargefile"? |
| 02:15.52 | rwt | no hehe |
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| 02:16.12 | rwt | yes, still does it |
| 02:16.18 | Cullz | thanks will restart browser |
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| 02:16.27 | babilen | Cullz: Well, the package is available from backports. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 02:16.30 | hanasaki | what is the official position of debian and the whole gnome unity xorg thing? |
| 02:17.08 | stew | hanasaki: there isn't one |
| 02:17.36 | stew | hanasaki: debian rarely makes an official position on much of anything |
| 02:17.49 | hanasaki | ah thanks stew |
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| 02:18.12 | hanasaki | stew: what is on the roadmap going forward for debian for xorg and gnome and unity? anything? |
| 02:18.17 | rwt | Wyzard: inode_ratio = 1048576 |
| 02:18.49 | rwt | the bs size is 4kb |
| 02:18.56 | rwt | does that have to be bigger |
| 02:18.57 | Wyzard | The inode ratio isn't related to this error |
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| 02:19.15 | Wyzard | The largefile and largefile4 entries in /etc/mke2fs.conf set blocksize to -1 |
| 02:19.23 | rwt | 0.o |
| 02:19.24 | Wyzard | which tells mke2fs to make it as big as necessary |
| 02:19.27 | rwt | oh |
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| 02:19.47 | Wyzard | so it shouldn't be complaining based on it being 4k |
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| 02:20.34 | rwt | is there like more debug lol |
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| 02:21.22 | spersaud | how can I do gems install geoplanet ?? |
| 02:21.40 | spersaud | do I have to add a remote url ? or is it rubygems.org by default ? |
| 02:21.47 | stew | hanasaki: i doubt there is one. you might look on the gnome maintainers list on alioth |
| 02:21.49 | spersaud | someone said lenny is old |
| 02:22.13 | stew | spersaud: lenny was released about 1.5 years ago |
| 02:22.27 | stew | hanasaki: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-gnome-maintainers |
| 02:22.30 | hanasaki | thanks stew just trying to figure out what's in the future |
| 02:23.15 | delby | hi. if i understand correctly i can set defaults using both update-alternatives and gconf. is there a reason to use one over the other? |
| 02:23.28 | hanasaki | gnome el flux.... kde... its all confusing |
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| 02:23.44 | Cullz | lxde |
| 02:24.24 | rwt | running 64but os also |
| 02:24.28 | rwt | *bit |
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| 02:25.54 | Cullz | how is a .tar.gz installed in debian? |
| 02:26.09 | babilen | rwt: See https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto â Creating ext4 filesystems â Note: ... |
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| 02:26.20 | dvs | Cullz: it shouldn't |
| 02:26.36 | dvs | Cullz: but if you must, put it in /usr/local |
| 02:26.56 | Cullz | dvs: i'm just trying to get embedded videos to work in browser |
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| 02:27.12 | rwt | babilen: so no etx4 fs larger than 16TB? |
| 02:27.17 | babilen | yes |
| 02:27.39 | rwt | anyway i can make one |
| 02:27.57 | rwt | with like reiser or something |
| 02:28.01 | babilen | Or it looks like it. I am not following ext4 development that closely. You might want to consider using a different fs, e.g. xfs |
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| 02:28.32 | rwt | reiser = same limits as ext4 |
| 02:28.39 | babilen | or split the volume :-) |
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| 02:29.11 | rwt | babilen: hehe |
| 02:29.17 | rwt | no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:29.40 | spersaud | how is openbsd ? |
| 02:30.18 | rwt | damn Max volume size: 16 exabytes |
| 02:30.35 | jelly-home | spersaud: try the #openbsd channel |
| 02:30.37 | babilen | rwt: jfs might be actually be a better option. But I will shut up now as I don't have experience with such large filesystems. |
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| 02:30.54 | babilen | spersaud: Or install and try it |
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| 02:31.17 | dvs | <babilen> Cullz: Well, the package is available from backports. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 02:31.44 | Cullz | yes |
| 02:31.50 | jelly-home | babilen: as long as they're discussing it in an appropriate place |
| 02:32.21 | dvs | that's not a yes or no answer |
| 02:32.22 | babilen | jelly-home: sure :) |
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| 02:32.42 | jelly-home | dvs: "could you?" "yes [i could]" |
| 02:32.51 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:33.03 | Cullz | i'm a bit slow, doing so now |
| 02:33.14 | katsrc | hello all |
| 02:33.21 | babilen | Cullz: I want to inform you that your current support ticket expires in 7 seconds |
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| 02:34.19 | dvs | !nickometer _____________ |
| 02:34.21 | dpkg | '_____________' is 99.9929% lame, dvs |
| 02:34.39 | babilen | rwt: or use kfreebsd/freebsd with zfs |
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| 02:35.12 | rwt | too late ;) |
| 02:35.28 | _____________ | !nickometer dvs |
| 02:35.28 | Cullz | dvs: thanks for help, its here: http://paste.debian.net/101823/ |
| 02:35.29 | dpkg | 'dvs' is 0.000% lame, _____________ |
| 02:35.31 | babilen | rwt: Oh, why? |
| 02:35.36 | _____________ | wtf is this shit |
| 02:35.38 | rwt | i already made xfs |
| 02:35.46 | rwt | and this server doesnl;t offer bsd |
| 02:35.58 | babilen | rwt: You evaluated it against jfs? |
| 02:36.15 | rwt | not much, dont have time :'( |
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| 02:37.02 | rwt | it only took like seconds which is worryting |
| 02:37.12 | babilen | rwt: I would take 5 minutes to read up on it and ask in #jfs |
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| 02:38.21 | fiyawerx | Hello.. the Xen wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/Xen says that if you just want to use Debian as a Dom0, that it is better to use Squeeze or Sid, but not what about each one. If I wanted a system that was stable wouldn't I want to use a non testing release? It jusy says the software is "very much newer" |
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| 02:39.21 | neonlightning | testing is generally stable |
| 02:39.24 | stew | fiyawerx: yes, all of this is correct |
| 02:39.29 | stew | neonlightning: no, it isn't |
| 02:39.46 | jelly-home | _____________: ignore it, you still have 0.0071% left |
| 02:39.57 | nsadmin | neonlightning, all depends on what you mean by "generally" |
| 02:40.09 | fiyawerx | hm, so now I'm not sure which one I want to use heh |
| 02:40.20 | stew | fiyawerx: not sid |
| 02:40.29 | nsadmin | if it's all encompassing, for all time it ever existed... no, not even close |
| 02:40.35 | fiyawerx | I guess it comes down to the difference in Xen between Lenny and Squeeze |
| 02:40.59 | nsadmin | xen is mostly in the kernel |
| 02:41.15 | nsadmin | with some stuff outside to control things |
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| 02:42.41 | dvs | Cullz: it's in backports |
| 02:42.56 | dvs | cobtrib |
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| 02:43.30 | dvs | contrib i mean |
| 02:43.49 | fiyawerx | I guess I'll give squeeze a try, might as well give it a run |
| 02:43.51 | fiyawerx | thanks guys |
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| 02:44.29 | dvs | Cullz: or squeeze if you dare |
| 02:44.57 | roe | how do I stop a drive from spinning down? |
| 02:45.37 | Cullz | dvs: squeeze is unstable? can I update lenny to squeeze easily? |
| 02:45.59 | roe | squeeze is 'testing' not unstable |
| 02:46.09 | Cullz | ok |
| 02:46.15 | dvs | Cullz: squeeze is almost stable (in a matter of weeks) |
| 02:46.33 | un214 | well if it's unstable shouldn't be too hard to get it to spin down |
| 02:48.20 | roe | un214, huh? |
| 02:48.27 | dvs | Cullz: update to a 2.6.32 kernel first. |
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| 02:48.33 | fiyawerx | hm |
| 02:48.41 | un214 | stupid joke |
| 02:48.44 | fiyawerx | maybe I wont be installing squeeze... are the amd64 links on this page not working for anyone else? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:49.53 | fiyawerx | It looks like the weekly snapshots are working but the top section aren't for me |
| 02:49.54 | babilen | Cullz: Ah, sorry. I did not see your paste. Please add "contrib non-free" after "main" in the backports line |
| 02:50.11 | FarmCretin | HELP REQUEST: setup wireless N usb adapter. i installed the driver per wiki.debian , the wlan1 interface is seen from iwconfig, but neither wicd or another network manager will add the interface! help! |
| 02:50.32 | Pinchiukas | I have a machine that's currently offline because it doesn't have software to connect through the 3G modem that's attached to it. How can I install packages while being offline? |
| 02:51.22 | Cullz | babilen: thanks. that worked |
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| 02:53.06 | dvs | Cullz: I'd erase the cdrom drive line |
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| 02:53.55 | Cullz | dvs: thanks. i will. it has been asking for cd when i install stuff |
| 02:54.14 | dvs | Cullz: yeah, erasing that line will stop that. |
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| 03:18.16 | dokma | hey guyz I cannot kill eclipse with killall -9 eclipse |
| 03:18.27 | dokma | is there anything stronger or do I need another approach |
| 03:18.53 | CaT[t3] | try getting the pids and smiting. if it keeps getting new pids, use ps auxwf and kill its parent. |
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| 03:19.15 | dokma | what is smiting? |
| 03:19.25 | CaT[t3] | killing in this case :) |
| 03:19.32 | dokma | ahhh... |
| 03:19.49 | dokma | unfortunately it died by itself while I was posting the question |
| 03:20.01 | dokma | but I'll remember about killing the parent |
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| 03:20.10 | CaT[t3] | it could just take a while doing clean-up |
| 03:20.19 | CaT[t3] | but then you -9ed it so... |
| 03:20.33 | un214 | killall -9 is survivable only while in kernel mode |
| 03:20.36 | un214 | slow disk driver? |
| 03:20.40 | un214 | slow fs driver? |
| 03:20.55 | un214 | nfs mounted hard? |
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| 03:44.17 | roe | if my HD passes a long smart test can I be reasonably sure the drive is good? |
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| 03:45.26 | yagoo | roe, never.. |
| 03:45.53 | yagoo | roe, electronics can go zap anytime (really).. that's why raid is becoming intrinsic in every new bios.. |
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| 03:46.09 | yagoo | roe, raid setup and net backups are the only way to safeguard your data :) |
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| 03:46.51 | roe | yagoo, that wasn't my question |
| 03:47.16 | yagoo | roe, i answered your question. and that is never.. |
| 03:47.42 | roe | so why do smart tools exist? |
| 03:47.46 | CaT[t3] | roe: it means that the hd was good enough to pass that test at that time. |
| 03:48.08 | CaT[t3] | roe: they exist to see if there's an error that you're looking for present at the time of testing. |
| 03:48.52 | roe | ok let me rephrase |
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| 03:49.02 | roe | if my HD passes a long smart test can I be reasonably sure the drive currently without errors? |
| 03:49.25 | CaT[t3] | roe: you can be sure it was without the errors the test was testing for at the point of testing. |
| 03:49.26 | nevyn | depends on the smartctl stats |
| 03:50.07 | nevyn | you can map 99% of the remap space. and still pass a smart test |
| 03:50.16 | nevyn | I wouldn't be trusting critical data to such a drive. |
| 03:52.43 | roe | nevyn, so if Reallocated_Sector_Ct = 0 that strengthens the case for the health of the drive? |
| 03:52.56 | nevyn | well amongts other indicators yes |
| 03:53.04 | zinx | roe: what about the Pending count? :/ |
| 03:53.12 | roe | any idea what Seek_Error_Rate is? |
| 03:53.27 | zinx | roe: the rate it seeked to the wrong spot on the platter |
| 03:53.41 | zinx | roe: i doubt it's in any standard unit |
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| 03:56.33 | rafuch0 | how can i install a program from sid without upgrade nothing ... and use it on lenny? |
| 03:56.53 | rafuch0 | i try aptitude -t unstable pakage but .... no good ... |
| 03:57.11 | roe | rafuch0, do you have unstable sourses? |
| 03:57.14 | roe | sources* |
| 03:57.27 | rafuch0 | shut i put -t sid? |
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| 03:57.42 | roe | no, look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:57.51 | rafuch0 | well i modify my sources list and i add a the sid repos |
| 03:57.59 | rafuch0 | the update |
| 03:58.04 | rafuch0 | then the other command |
| 03:58.20 | roe | if you added a source that used 'sid' then you need to refer to it as sid |
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| 03:58.28 | rafuch0 | ummmm |
| 03:58.29 | roe | if you used 'unstable' refer to it as unstable |
| 03:58.36 | rafuch0 | go it .... |
| 03:58.39 | rafuch0 | lets seee |
| 03:58.59 | yagoo | interesting wikileaks.org << i can't get a dns reply from my isp but "http://213.251.145.96/" works perfectly.. |
| 03:59.48 | nevyn | yagoo: why would you be visiting those domestic terrorists </deviladvocte> |
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| 04:02.13 | yagoo | nevyn, 100,000 iraqis for 3,000 .. not quite a balance my friend.. |
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| 04:02.29 | rafuch0 | ummm still |
| 04:02.40 | rafuch0 | aptitude wants to upgrade ... the dependencies |
| 04:02.47 | roe | tyes |
| 04:02.59 | roe | !ssb |
| 04:03.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:03.06 | nevyn | so you could do a download only and do a forcedepends install of the particular deb |
| 04:03.09 | rafuch0 | i wonder if is posible to create a chroot for all those programs that the package need without alter my current system |
| 04:03.10 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 04:03.21 | roe | an ssb is a better option |
| 04:03.26 | roe | what package? |
| 04:05.02 | nevyn | or a actual backport. |
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| 04:05.17 | nsadmin | rafuch0. depending on what "that other command" was, you may or may not have already upgraded to sid |
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| 04:06.26 | rafuch0 | i am not on sid i am still on lenny |
| 04:06.38 | rafuch0 | to upgrade i have to upgrade.... |
| 04:06.49 | rafuch0 | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.00 | rafuch0 | but nopp i think i got it working |
| 04:07.04 | rafuch0 | compile from the source |
| 04:07.35 | rafuch0 | is anoying that progr4ams like inmy case electricsheep is on sid.... i shut be on lenny i remeber that electric sheep was on stable once |
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| 04:07.46 | rafuch0 | now is only on sid .... not fare .... :( |
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| 04:09.25 | Bizurke | you can use stuff from sid on lenny if you configure your repos right |
| 04:09.43 | rafuch0 | in apt.conf |
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| 04:09.47 | Bizurke | mind you there may be tons of dependencies to resolve |
| 04:09.51 | stew | rafuch0: it was removed from stable becuase it was not well maintained. If you want to help ensure that its part of a stable release again, please see what you can do to help maintain it |
| 04:09.58 | Bizurke | I generally run testing with a few elements from sid |
| 04:10.10 | stew | Bizurke: no, you should NOT mix stable with non-stable without backporting |
| 04:10.48 | Bizurke | for some reason my brain was still telling me lenny was testing |
| 04:10.54 | Bizurke | time for sleep |
| 04:11.20 | rafuch0 | i can do that.... i once try to mantain 2 packages the smc (secret maryo game,,, and also .,.. the .... mettise WM is like a 3d WM but it takes to much to the mentors to upload the packages so give up |
| 04:11.39 | nevyn | Bizurke: what I hear is you use sid. |
| 04:12.03 | Bizurke | I use testing, occasionally, and this is rare, there is something I need from sid, so I'll use it. |
| 04:12.16 | Bizurke | at the current moment since my last install I haven't had to do that |
| 04:12.25 | nevyn | but the minute you install that and it changes libc you're running sid. |
| 04:12.29 | nevyn | or frankensid |
| 04:12.32 | Bizurke | lol |
| 04:12.34 | Bizurke | frankensid |
| 04:12.54 | nevyn | well it's not sid either because half the stuff is linked to a libc that isn't the system libc |
| 04:13.22 | Bizurke | so are you saying there is a different libc between testing and sid at all times? |
| 04:13.29 | nevyn | yep. |
| 04:13.33 | nevyn | and locales. |
| 04:13.39 | stew | no |
| 04:13.47 | nevyn | and all sorts of basic system stuff that is newer in sid than in testing. |
| 04:13.59 | nevyn | it's also more likely to be broken. |
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| 04:14.27 | nevyn | well ok there's not if there's a libc in sid that's been there 3 weeks or whatever without an RC bug being filed against it. |
| 04:14.28 | darkkrai | can someone help me run a game server? I'm probably missing some libraries, and I can't figure it out... |
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| 04:14.54 | nevyn | but there's no such thing as testing "with a few bits from sid" |
| 04:15.24 | Bizurke | it was always my understanding that a good amount of the time sid and testing are not too far off. |
| 04:15.25 | darkkrai | http://pastesite.com/20567/sdfsd34534 |
| 04:15.29 | darkkrai | thats the log |
| 04:15.54 | stew | nevyn: there shouldn't be a problem with running a program compiled with an older libc with a new libc at runtime |
| 04:15.59 | nevyn | Bizurke: a lot can happen in two weeks. |
| 04:16.05 | Bizurke | yeah I suppose |
| 04:16.48 | nevyn | stew: no.. but because he's now running the testing version of X against the sid libc it's not testing anymore. |
| 04:17.40 | stew | ok? |
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| 04:18.40 | roe | http://pastebin.com/vTMCchsF |
| 04:18.59 | roe | I just plugged an HD drive in using a USB external enclosure |
| 04:19.03 | roe | the above is the output of dmesg |
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| 04:19.40 | roe | however, 'fdisk /dev/sdd' returns 'unable to read /dev/sdd' |
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| 04:21.29 | Eggdrops | when I added user to server adduser follow by passwd and mkdie /home/user and chown /home/user here is the problem I get every one can see each other folder how can I make each user only acccess on thier own folder. thanks |
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| 04:23.28 | darkkrai | can someone help me run a game server? I'm probably missing some libraries, and I can't figure it out... |
| 04:23.34 | darkkrai | http://pastesite.com/20567/sdfsd34534 < thats the log |
| 04:23.41 | darkkrai | its debian 507 stable amd64 |
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| 04:25.03 | alystair | so I'm trying to figure out how to make a script that closes and relaunches a process based on a file's date or/touch/w.e |
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| 04:33.35 | Bushmills | alystair: [[ file1 -nt file2 ]] && echo "file1 is more recent than file2" |
| 04:34.07 | Bushmills | (assuming bash) |
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| 04:37.05 | alystair | Bushmills: file2 is only needed as reference? |
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| 04:38.47 | Bushmills | right. temp file will do. |
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| 04:39.08 | alystair | hmmmm |
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| 04:39.23 | alystair | that's more of a one time thing |
| 04:39.51 | Bushmills | so will - hopefully - be restarting a process |
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| 04:40.28 | blackplague1347 | Can anyone explain to me why Debian isn't usually recommended for linux "beginners"? What makes it challenging? |
| 04:40.42 | alystair | I was thinking more of a daemon that sits around waiting for file to be updated and if it does then does something until the next time it's updated |
| 04:41.30 | Bushmills | check out inotify. through, for example, incron |
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| 04:41.50 | alystair | ok thanks! |
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| 04:45.09 | Bushmills | blackplague1347: "beginners" tend to want the latest of everything |
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| 04:45.51 | ScottG | Could someone help me out with this: http://www.privatepaste.com/8159bae264 |
| 04:46.13 | blackplague1347 | Bushmills: So because Debian prefers stability to cutting-edge tech? |
| 04:46.33 | ScottG | What is usually recommended to Linux beginners? |
| 04:47.04 | CaT[t3] | usually recommends ubuntu. |
| 04:47.11 | dondelelcaro | blackplague1347: I personally recommend it to beginners, but it depends on what you're doing and why |
| 04:47.38 | ScottG | CaT[t3]: I stopped doing that after I recommended it multiple times and it had various problems |
| 04:48.03 | CaT[t3] | scottg: yea? such as? (my next default is debian, btw :) |
| 04:48.10 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: what is ia32-libs-workaround-499043? |
| 04:48.31 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Not sure. Is there a way I can check? |
| 04:48.39 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: that's not a package name we've ever distributed, AFAICT. |
| 04:48.54 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: most likely you need to remove that package, and install the right version of ia32-libs |
| 04:49.34 | ScottG | CaT[t3]: What finally set me off to stop recommending it was when I installed it on my friends old computer and it ended up freezing up with this weird pixelated and colorful screen. He installed Windows and it has been fine since. |
| 04:49.49 | blackplague1347 | dondelelcaro: The thing with me is that I want a linux distro which is as libre as possible while still being user-friendly enough for me to use. I'm new to linux. I've heard that Debian is a pretty "pure" distro, although not perfectly so. I'm a comp sci major, and right now the only thing special I would really need from Debian is Eclipse and/or other IDEs/text editors. |
| 04:50.01 | ScottG | blackplague1347: Might actually have something to do with my trying to get flash to work a while back |
| 04:50.07 | CaT[t3] | scottg: ahhh. bummer. |
| 04:50.10 | dondelelcaro | blackplague1347: if you're a comp sci major, you might as well just use Debian. |
| 04:50.26 | CaT[t3] | scottg: I guess their mix of cutting edge and old and crusty is a bit too cutting |
| 04:50.32 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: What would be the correct way to uninstall it? |
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| 04:50.59 | blackplague1347 | dondelelcaro: Okay. Just curious as to your reasoning, if you don't mind my asking. |
| 04:51.05 | ScottG | CaT[t3]: Yea, they push forward a little too fast in my opinion. But they kind of have to to stay relevant. |
| 04:51.32 | CaT[t3] | scottg: maybe the long-term versions are nicer. but then if you're running that you may aswell be running debian. |
| 04:52.30 | ScottG | Yea. Whenever I have tried it I've had various problems too. Nothing huge as far as i remember but enough minor things to make it unusable in the long term |
| 04:52.56 | CaT[t3] | fair enough. |
| 04:54.17 | ScottG | I had a Debian install mess up on me in the middle of last semester and i used Ubuntu for a while. I remember thinking it was fantastic at first, almost thinking of switching to it, but then shit started happening. |
| 04:54.25 | ScottG | Can't seem to remember what though. |
| 04:54.43 | ScottG | I think it might have been spontaneously freezing |
| 04:55.34 | blackplague1347 | Is Eclipse in Synaptic? I'm not seeing it. |
| 04:55.53 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: aptitude install ia32-libs-workaround-499043- ia32-libs; |
| 04:56.17 | ScottG | blackplague1347: lol use the command line dude: `aptitude search eclipse` |
| 04:56.49 | ScottG | blackplague1347: Although I believe the eclipse team recommends that you download and install Eclipse manually because they have their own updating system. |
| 04:57.00 | ScottG | That's what I do personally. |
| 04:57.01 | dondelelcaro | blackplague1347: primarily because I don't recommend things that I don't personally use, and it's certainly the distribution that you actually want to use if you can use |
| 04:57.11 | blackplague1347 | ScottG: aptitutde? o_O first time I've seen that one before. |
| 04:58.10 | ScottG | oh, you're that new? lol |
| 04:58.19 | blackplague1347 | Yeah, reeaaallll new lol |
| 04:58.21 | ScottG | You might want to read a few guides |
| 04:59.35 | blackplague1347 | Not a bad idea. I have a question though: if my wireless card isn't supported (or simply isn't very good), will a USB wireless adapter work? If so, will I need a particular brand? |
| 05:00.04 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Fails |
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| 05:00.36 | ScottG | It's not supported at all? And yea a USB adapter should work fine, not sure which to get thoug |
| 05:01.30 | blackplague1347 | ScottG: In distros like Ubuntu and Mint my card will work, but it requires non-free firmware. So distros like Debian, Fedora, and others present me with a bit of a challenge. |
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| 05:03.05 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: what's the output? |
| 05:03.33 | ScottG | blackplague1347: Ah right, that's actually not too hard to fix. You need to add non-free to your source.lst (a file you should look into) |
| 05:03.39 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: about the same |
| 05:03.40 | ScottG | 1 sec |
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| 05:04.12 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Also, did you type that command to me completely correctly? |
| 05:04.17 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: yes. |
| 05:04.50 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: http://www.privatepaste.com/a4b04cdbd3 |
| 05:05.16 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: The error at the bottom looks identical |
| 05:05.51 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: hrm; it should have removed ia32-libs-workaround-499043 first. Anyway, dpkg -r ia32-libs-workaround-499043; then aptitude install ia32-libs; |
| 05:05.52 | ScottG | I did an apt-file search for that workaround package but didn't see anything |
| 05:06.02 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: because you manually installed it |
| 05:06.07 | dondelelcaro | (or someone did) |
| 05:06.12 | ScottG | (oh noes) |
| 05:06.25 | ScottG | Yea, I did, but if I installed it using a .deb shouldn't apt-file still find it? |
| 05:06.31 | dondelelcaro | no. |
| 05:06.33 | dondelelcaro | apt-file and apt-cache only search things that are listed in an apt source |
| 05:06.58 | ScottG | ah |
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| 05:08.26 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: With that first command you showed me, if I am running the 'install' command with aptitude, how does it know to remove it first? |
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| 05:11.19 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: man aptitude; read the first section. The - is important. |
| 05:12.12 | dondelelcaro | s/first/install/ |
| 05:12.35 | ScottG | ohhhh |
| 05:12.44 | ScottG | See I thought that might have been a typo, that's why I asked |
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| 05:17.18 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: yerp; figured |
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| 05:17.54 | ScottG | Anyways, all good now :) |
| 05:17.58 | ScottG | Hopefully flash still works |
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| 05:18.47 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 05:20.34 | ScottG | Ever since that whole thing with no amd64 flash thing I've had a few problems with flash |
| 05:21.07 | ScottG | When I was watching a flash video there used to be a file that would show up in my /tmp directory |
| 05:21.52 | ScottG | Would be useful to play it with mplayer if the Flash player in my browser was choppy. That file doesn't appear in there anymore, though. |
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| 05:22.35 | Arrowmaster | ScottG: you actually got that workaround using nspluginwrapper to work? |
| 05:22.39 | andares | ScottG: as of Flash 10.1 they got rid of /tmp. |
| 05:22.50 | andares | well, of storing the flvs in /tmp. |
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| 05:24.17 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Yea. I think. Honestly I don't know WHAT got flash working and I think I have like 3 different versions of flash installed. The original, the workaround (I think that was nspluginwrapper), and then the real thing which I think adobe released a little time later |
| 05:24.47 | ScottG | andares: Oh really? Is there any way to get access to the flvs? |
| 05:24.56 | Arrowmaster | the nspluginwrapper one kept crashing for me |
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| 05:25.17 | acu | I have a techwell TW2804 based capture card, I run Squeeze AMD64 and want to search whether there is driver for the card - install it and enable it - can anyone give me a start on it ? |
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| 05:25.20 | ScottG | Yea, whatever I have now works fairly well. About as good as flash gets |
| 05:25.39 | Arrowmaster | probably the square beta thingy? |
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| 05:26.19 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Whats that? |
| 05:26.24 | rue_mohr | anyone know where I can get a version of gcalctool before some idiot tried to improve it? |
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| 05:27.46 | ScottG | What's wrong with gcalctool? |
| 05:28.18 | Arrowmaster | ScottG: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/square/ |
| 05:28.19 | ScottG | I have version 5.30.2 and it seems fine |
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| 05:28.25 | Arrowmaster | thats the only 64bit version right now |
| 05:29.03 | andares | ScottG: unfortunately not. it seems to be encrypted, you'd be better off using firebug or something to yank the streams. |
| 05:29.09 | andares | if you can even do that still (I'm not sure you can.) |
| 05:29.35 | ScottG | andares: Bah, that's unfortunate |
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| 05:30.39 | ScottG | Of course the remove the one way to watch videos even if their shitty flash player is sucking |
| 05:31.30 | andares | what's wrong with flash player square? |
| 05:31.33 | andares | it works fine on 64-bit. |
| 05:32.44 | ScottG | Yea, it's still flash, though. It frequently gets choppy, I lose sound sometimes that requires a restart, etc |
| 05:33.51 | andares | the choppy sounds like flash, but the losing sound sounds like an alsa bug. |
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| 05:36.26 | rue_mohr | ScottG, some idiot decided the make more 'views' and lost its ability to convert from base 16 to 10 |
| 05:37.16 | ScottG | andares: I don't know how that would be alsa if it's JUST flash that is the problem and a restart of my browser fixes it |
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| 05:37.57 | ScottG | andares: Also, sometimes the box where flash is suppose to display is just empty. This also requires a restart. |
| 05:39.14 | andares | yeah, flash sucks. :/ |
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| 05:41.05 | Arrowmaster | ive noticed a few sites that the flashplayer square didnt work on and always displays messed up content |
| 05:41.39 | acu | hey guys - the Squeeze AMD64 non-free flash works like a beauty |
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| 05:42.21 | Arrowmaster | thats what we are talking about |
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| 05:44.13 | acu | guys you need to know that you have to have either ALSA or OSS not both - that's one and some others too - usually people who do not know - install everything because is free -but there are two or three different sound servers in linux - and if both are on the same time - nothing works pporely |
| 05:45.01 | Dewi | acu: interoperability options exist, but it does complicate things |
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| 05:46.20 | acu | Dewi: yes and they are needed - ALSA have some emulating OSS features - plugins etc - but a lot of problems occur when people install everything indiscriminately |
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| 05:52.26 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:53.35 | acu | lkthomas: just ask - there are 800 people here - we do not greet each other - it would be a scroll of greetings |
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| 05:53.53 | lkthomas | which repos have the latest nagios for debian ? |
| 05:54.17 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: most of our mirrors are in sync, the latest would be in unstable (possibly experimental) |
| 05:54.29 | lkthomas | I mean third party backport |
| 05:55.08 | Dewi | lkthomas: official backports has a nagios 3.2.1-2 |
| 05:55.21 | lkthomas | any unofficial backport ? |
| 05:55.25 | lkthomas | I want 3.2.3 |
| 05:55.30 | Eggdrops | when I added user to server adduser follow by passwd and mkdie /home/user and chown /home/user here is the problem I get every one can see each other folder how can I make each user only acccess on thier own folder. thanks |
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| 05:55.45 | Dewi | lkthomas: dunno. You could try building the unstable package from source |
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| 05:56.06 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: that package is in unstable, and won't be released with squeeze. You could backport it if you wanted |
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| 05:56.55 | Dewi | lkthomas: it could be as simple as a 2-liner |
| 05:57.13 | Dewi | (install build-deps, then build package from source) see /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 05:57.57 | acu | dondelelcaro, I have a capture cctv card with a teckwell TW2804 = the card run in Fedora7 but it is somehow strange I cannot see it in Debian Squeeze - I mean if I do a lspci I get 01:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Device 9413:6000 --- only thing I got is http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg16001.html but how do I go from here |
| 05:58.33 | lkthomas | hehe, backports.org ? |
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| 05:59.11 | lkthomas | yet, it doesn't offer the latest version |
| 05:59.16 | Dewi | lkthomas: yes, it's official now, has 3.2.1 as I said |
| 05:59.30 | lkthomas | right |
| 05:59.57 | Dewi | lkthomas: is there something in 3.2.3 you need? |
| 06:00.28 | lkthomas | no, the problem is that I am trying to migrate from centos to debian. while we are running nagios 3.2.2 on centos, I am worry the syntax would not be match if I downgrade it |
| 06:01.02 | Dewi | nods |
| 06:01.34 | Dewi | I don't know how nagios does things but 0.0.1 sounds pretty close |
| 06:01.52 | lkthomas | haha, it doesn't help |
| 06:02.02 | Dewi | it doesn't? |
| 06:02.10 | lkthomas | hell no, but let's give it a try |
| 06:02.27 | lkthomas | search for docs to run backport |
| 06:02.39 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: backports.org doesn't have it, which is why I suggested that you backport it yourself |
| 06:02.43 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: /msg dpkg ssb for details |
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| 06:02.49 | sam_affable | hi |
| 06:03.01 | lkthomas | it's ok |
| 06:03.22 | dondelelcaro | acu: you probably need to update your pci information, and you're probably missing whatever random driver that card uses |
| 06:03.27 | sam_affable | hey can i install firefox on debian instead of iceweasel ? |
| 06:03.41 | dondelelcaro | sam_affable: it's basically the same, minus the name and branding. |
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| 06:05.23 | sam_affable | dondelelcaro: but i dont see further development in it ? im looking for firefox 3.5 is there an iceweasel 3.5 ? |
| 06:05.45 | Dewi | sam_affable: yup, backports |
| 06:05.59 | sam_affable | oh okie ...thanks will check it |
| 06:06.03 | Dewi | sam_affable: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 06:07.04 | sam_affable | Dewi: thanks i have backports in my apt sources will update and check it out |
| 06:08.51 | dondelelcaro | sam_affable: we even distribute iceweasel 3.6.12... |
| 06:09.23 | sam_affable | dondelelcaro: oh okie thats nice |
| 06:09.45 | sam_affable | will download and install from backports ty |
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| 06:12.03 | sam_affable | aptitude update and searched for iceweasel .synaptic still version 3.0.6-3 as latest ..no new package for upgrade, i have backports in my apt source list |
| 06:12.30 | sam_affable | oh 3.5 is in sid ? |
| 06:12.36 | Sudos | then you'll have to compile it |
| 06:13.06 | sam_affable | okie |
| 06:13.13 | dondelelcaro | sam_affable: you need to aptitude -t backports install iceweasel; or otherwise use the curses interface to install it |
| 06:13.25 | dondelelcaro | sam_affable: see the instructions on backports.org for details. |
| 06:14.01 | sam_affable | oh okie ty im doing it right now :) |
| 06:15.03 | CyberDomovoy | between bash, ksh and zsh, what is your preference? why? |
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| 06:16.45 | debianoob | defrag fat32 brb.. |
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| 06:20.22 | acu | how would I search whether a driver is in the linux kernel or not ? |
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| 06:28.26 | peterrooney | acu: lsmod shows loaded modules; IIRC the kernel has an option at compile time to show what all kernel config options were somewhere in /proc, but I can't remember where |
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| 06:31.14 | peterrooney | acu: turns out that if it was enabled, it is accessed at /proc/config.gz |
| 06:31.20 | debianoob | CyberDomovoy: i like bash |
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| 06:32.17 | debianoob | acu well it depends is it vanilla |
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| 06:32.24 | simonrvn | /proc/config.gz |
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| 06:34.16 | debianoob | i guess you could do a menuconfig on kernel lol |
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| 06:34.45 | debianoob | since 2.6.32 things are easier |
| 06:35.00 | acu | OK - is config.gz hidden ? |
| 06:35.05 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.42 | debianoob | dunno what that is |
| 06:36.04 | simonrvn | i just said where... |
| 06:36.17 | debianoob | yea proc |
| 06:36.21 | simonrvn | zless maybe? |
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| 06:36.43 | acu | the card I have has a TW2804 (TechWell) card - and was running Fedora 7 - that was quite few years ago - and I cannot see in Debian - is it possible that Debian Kernel is stripped from that driver ? |
| 06:37.04 | debianoob | LAN ? |
| 06:37.12 | debianoob | yea likely |
| 06:37.17 | debianoob | 10T? |
| 06:37.23 | dondelelcaro | acu: we still would have the driver, but it's possible that the firware isn't there |
| 06:37.54 | debianoob | wat is it a lan card or no |
| 06:38.29 | debianoob | fedora 7 is dumb dont run that |
| 06:38.42 | acu | debianbob: it is a cctv - dvr capture card RL-3240RH with TW2804 chip |
| 06:38.53 | debianoob | ahh analogue |
| 06:39.10 | debianoob | debian |
| 06:39.16 | debianoob | try debian |
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| 06:40.09 | debianoob | why cannot load module? |
| 06:40.15 | debianoob | not sayin... |
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| 06:41.50 | debianoob | did you check dmesg |
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| 06:42.21 | debianoob | firmware error detects early in install |
| 06:42.27 | debianoob | remove card |
| 06:42.41 | debianoob | !next |
| 06:42.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 06:43.28 | debianoob | merry xmas |
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| 06:44.08 | acu | debiannoob: are you real - or a bot ? |
| 06:44.15 | acu | debianoob |
| 06:44.26 | debianoob | i am real yo |
| 06:44.52 | debianoob | but, i am also unreal |
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| 06:45.07 | debianoob | good game from the 70's |
| 06:45.25 | debianoob | use to play unreal |
| 06:46.32 | acu | debianoob: that's all of our biggest tragedy - for most of the Universe existence WE ARE UNREAL - just a glimpse of heaven and here we go - and we screw even this :) |
| 06:47.04 | debianoob | acu: it is profound... |
| 06:47.23 | acu | debianoob, existentialist |
| 06:47.39 | debianoob | i am bhuddist |
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| 06:47.54 | acu | we can't transcend our reptilian brain |
| 06:48.03 | debianoob | ... |
| 06:48.08 | acu | we are caught in lie and deceit |
| 06:48.25 | acu | truth is unbearable |
| 06:48.33 | debianoob | freenet is place for enlightenment yes |
| 06:48.47 | acu | delusion is our master |
| 06:48.48 | debianoob | freenode*... |
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| 06:49.14 | debianoob | maya |
| 06:49.19 | acu | gaya |
| 06:49.23 | debianoob | world is |
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| 06:49.35 | debianoob | maya |
| 06:49.44 | debianoob | maya=illusion |
| 06:49.59 | debianoob | iirc |
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| 06:51.15 | acu | no this life is not illusion - is real - the real problem is our mind pulled in all directions, and us running aimless in this world |
| 06:51.32 | debianoob | the world doe spring forth events |
| 06:52.09 | acu | but there are two mighty things to sweeten this life: LOVE and CHILDREN |
| 06:52.26 | debianoob | our true fault is non-selflessness |
| 06:52.50 | collabra | acu: oh you sad sack of pederast funk wad...belchin for direction |
| 06:53.01 | debianoob | must never but yourself before other |
| 06:53.04 | collabra | acu: you've had it |
| 06:53.15 | acu | most people have children but not love - some have none - because they both require transcendence and meaning to be given too |
| 06:54.02 | acu | collabra: are you stupid or drunk ? |
| 06:54.18 | acu | collabra: or mentally ill |
| 06:54.31 | collabra | acu: sequence,...looks good. |
| 06:54.49 | collabra | acu: what am i talking about? |
| 06:55.03 | debianoob | i thouht this was ot... anywahoo |
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| 06:55.26 | collabra | acu: scotch if you must,no. |
| 06:56.02 | acu | anyhow - this is a technical support = collabra -sorry to say - you are hopeless - and sad |
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| 06:56.55 | debianoob | i am having drink |
| 06:57.02 | acu | :) |
| 06:57.04 | debianoob | and feeling good time |
| 06:57.58 | acu | be mindful and savor it |
| 06:58.03 | debianoob | what is best web browser for windows ME |
| 06:58.12 | acu | LOL |
| 06:58.16 | collabra | acu: pills work... herb works... uh,... shrooms and the occasional scotch to drive the spiritus du sancti. |
| 06:58.16 | debianoob | :D |
| 06:58.20 | acu | Netscape navigator |
| 06:58.27 | debianoob | 4.x? |
| 06:58.30 | debianoob | :D |
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| 06:58.48 | debianoob | thought maybe opera |
| 06:58.49 | collabra | acu: trains, planes, and automobiles |
| 06:59.02 | acu | it was faster then with a pentium 133 and 32 ram than now with dual core and 4 GB of ram |
| 06:59.10 | debianoob | i check opera must admit havent installed since 1999 |
| 06:59.23 | collabra | acu: i thought that one up in the basement...know wonder. |
| 07:00.00 | collabra | acu: don't scoop the poop,... pick it up with some oil and your hand. |
| 07:00.24 | debianoob | seriously this p2 512m ram is faster than dual dore xeon |
| 07:00.28 | simonrvn | acu: /ignore is useful ;) |
| 07:00.29 | collabra | plastic,...ha! obscurereference to vanity. |
| 07:01.05 | debianoob | ok not really |
| 07:01.30 | simonrvn | collabra: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:01.57 | collabra | simonrvn: yeah, uh, or at least i did...hmm, lemmy think. |
| 07:02.13 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 07:02.16 | debianoob | lenny -> squeeze |
| 07:02.21 | debianoob | thoughts... |
| 07:02.41 | collabra | i would think you would know debianoob |
| 07:02.49 | debianoob | hm |
| 07:02.53 | debianoob | y |
| 07:02.57 | collabra | quick scan or somethin... |
| 07:03.14 | debianoob | quiock scan or |
| 07:03.20 | acu | simonrvn, I understand it better than you think :) though at each ejaculation 40 million sperms are released - around half of them are abnormal - some make it though - and here we are -- that is why ban was invented for mirc |
| 07:03.24 | debianoob | 1 sec brb |
| 07:03.54 | collabra | idunno,.. whatever debianoob's do...i thought. I could be wrong. |
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| 07:06.40 | simonrvn | acu: drunken ircing is very common, so the dude is very likely drunk |
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| 07:07.15 | simonrvn | esp. this time of year, the incidence of drunk ircing goes up a lot |
| 07:07.15 | the-dude | im not drunk ;) |
| 07:07.55 | simonrvn | i haven't been drunk in 10 years |
| 07:08.25 | debianoob | k ib |
| 07:08.32 | debianoob | hola |
| 07:08.36 | debianoob | noobs |
| 07:08.39 | simonrvn | probably more |
| 07:09.02 | debianoob | you probably know sed better htan me |
| 07:09.08 | acu | there is no config.gz anywhere (of course not in proc either) |
| 07:09.11 | debianoob | ;p |
| 07:09.21 | debianoob | hum.. |
| 07:09.27 | debianoob | yea try grep |
| 07:10.34 | debianoob | yea i would try to find / -name config.gz |
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| 07:11.36 | debianoob | acu |
| 07:11.49 | debianoob | are you in the us? |
| 07:12.13 | debianoob | 1am here |
| 07:12.29 | debianoob | also... |
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| 07:12.35 | debianoob | remmber |
| 07:12.39 | debianoob | .. |
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| 07:13.24 | debianoob | remember new movies and shows |
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| 07:20.57 | debianoob | i have debian question |
| 07:21.09 | debianoob | um\ |
| 07:21.14 | debianoob | ok |
| 07:21.26 | debianoob | is anyone ther |
| 07:21.30 | debianoob | ? |
| 07:22.02 | acu | debianoob: if you were a an inteligent, sensitive, slender, nice looking girl I would remember that you are in US - otherwise it does not matter- oh - almost - you could still help me figure out this bitch of card - but I think you got drunk too - better go sleep - and get in real life from time to time - is helpful :) |
| 07:22.35 | debianoob | hhehe |
| 07:22.47 | debianoob | ahh yes card......... |
| 07:23.03 | debianoob | i remember but maybe another day my friend |
| 07:23.37 | acu | of course :) thanks for attempt though |
| 07:24.05 | debianoob | kernel |
| 07:24.26 | debianoob | ... compile in latest shows loaded modules |
| 07:24.43 | debianoob | 2.6.32 and later |
| 07:24.56 | debianoob | it is new i dunno |
| 07:25.28 | debianoob | i used wen it was new it worked well |
| 07:25.48 | debianoob | had 2.6.32 b4 anyone |
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| 07:29.19 | debianoob | yea i did get drunk |
| 07:29.30 | debianoob | im dont gin to leep tho |
| 07:29.35 | debianoob | no way |
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| 07:29.53 | debianoob | is onely 1 or 2 |
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| 07:31.37 | debianoob | hey any 1 there |
| 07:31.51 | Sudos | I'm here. |
| 07:31.57 | debianoob | hi |
| 07:31.59 | Sudos | still confused. |
| 07:32.07 | debianoob | why? |
| 07:32.45 | debianoob | the hp box? |
| 07:32.58 | Eggdrops | when I added user to server adduser follow by passwd and mkdie /home/user and chown /home/user here is the problem I get every one can see each other folder how can I make each user only acccess on thier own folder. thanks |
| 07:32.58 | Sudos | Trying to figure out why the kernel can't allocate resources for a device on IRQ 12 at bootup. I'm assuming this to be the display panel/PC cpeaker assembly I'm having a problem with. |
| 07:33.13 | Sudos | I'm actually calling it a night. |
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| 07:33.23 | Sudos | just stopping in here to see if anything interesting is happening. |
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| 07:33.51 | debianoob | Eggdrops: you have to set so it 660 or 770 |
| 07:34.12 | debianoob | Sudos: ok.. |
| 07:34.26 | debianoob | Sudos: funny i solve idssue tonight |
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| 07:35.00 | tango_ | hello all, a bit of a historical question. can I assume that if any of {gnome-,x-,}www-browser is present, then so is sensible-browser, is it possible for a (possibly old) debian system to have but not the other(s)? |
| 07:35.12 | mbruins | is it possible to get a invite to #debian-devel? |
| 07:35.29 | debianoob | tango_: gnome only means one thing |
| 07:35.42 | debianoob | tango_: gtk apps insatlled |
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| 07:36.07 | tango_ | debianoob: yes I know that. but leaving aside the gnome- one, what about x-www-browser an www-browser? is it possible for a system to have them but not have sensible-browser? |
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| 07:36.26 | tango_ | iow, if I checked for sensible-browser and didn't find it, can I skip checking for x-www-browser and www-browser? |
| 07:36.37 | debianoob | sensible-bro... dunno |
| 07:37.13 | debianoob | apt-get -install mozilla |
| 07:38.23 | debianoob | apt-get -install iceweasel |
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| 07:39.03 | acu | aptitude install chrome |
| 07:39.19 | tango_ | guys, I don't want to install a browser, I know how to do that |
| 07:39.59 | acu | tango_ than put your question more sensible |
| 07:40.28 | tango_ | from a developer perspective, if I want to launch a browser, I can use sensible-browser, which should automatically find the most appropiate browser |
| 07:40.30 | debianoob | tango_: i wish i could help humm...... |
| 07:40.38 | acu | spend few neurons - think it trim it - question is more important than answer |
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| 07:41.37 | tango_ | now, assume sensible-browser is NOT present (as a script), should I still try and look for the *www-browser links myself, or can I assume that if sensible-browser isn't there so won't the *www-browser links either? |
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| 07:41.54 | debianoob | tango: if you are using kde, then kde browser() is going to start, if you use normal desktop instll then gnome (gtk) desktop is actife |
| 07:42.05 | tango_ | debianoob: still not what I'm asking |
| 07:42.22 | acu | tango_ that is still confusing - you want to run a script which searches the client computer and finds the best browser for your stuff - and start that browser ? |
| 07:42.25 | debianoob | konkerer |
| 07:42.46 | tango_ | acu: something like that |
| 07:43.51 | collabra | wow,... shots all around! |
| 07:43.53 | tango_ | acu: I know that I should try xdg-open first and sensible-browser next (because not all debian distros have xdg-open in the first place). the question is: if sensible-browser is not found, should I look for the *www-browser links, or can I just assume they will be missing too? |
| 07:44.04 | acu | tango_ that's dangerous - the user has to access your script scan his computer - that unsafe - but maybe I am wrong - but I would shut your stuff down in an instant |
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| 07:44.47 | tango_ | acu: what do you think xdg-open and sensible-browser do? they look for known browsers in your system unless you specified one yourself with either the BROWSER env var, or with the *www-browser links |
| 07:45.07 | acu | I see |
| 07:45.24 | acu | anyhow I have to go now - see you tommorrow |
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| 07:45.33 | dondelelcaro | tango_: generally speaking, if sensible-browser isn't there, you should do what sensible-browser does. |
| 07:45.36 | debianoob | ok i think this shouod be up to the disto maintainers |
| 07:45.51 | acu | take care be sensible :) |
| 07:46.07 | dondelelcaro | tango_: but whatever you do, make it easily overrideable |
| 07:46.07 | debianoob | not u guys no offense |
| 07:46.27 | tango_ | dondelelcaro: of course, these are all fallbacks for when the user didn't specify a preferred browser itself |
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| 07:46.48 | tango_ | dondelelcaro: so if I don't find sensible-browser, I look at BROWSER env var and then see if the *www-browser links are there. thanks |
| 07:47.11 | debianoob | i specified browser it was ignored and overridden |
| 07:47.15 | debianoob | who cares |
| 07:47.18 | dondelelcaro | tango_: if BROWSER is set, you just use it |
| 07:47.38 | dondelelcaro | tango_: otherwise, you try to find a browser to use,w ith varous heuristics to find the right one |
| 07:47.39 | tango_ | dondelelcaro: yes, of course |
| 07:47.51 | tango_ | debianoob: that's a bug |
| 07:48.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah; BROWSER, PAGER, and EDITOR should always be obeyed... |
| 07:48.33 | debianoob | ok if i choose a desktop let me choose browser to |
| 07:49.03 | dondelelcaro | debianoob: desktops are a bit weird, but if you haven't expressed a preference, everything should call sensible-browser by default |
| 07:49.04 | debianoob | fvwm2 mozilla |
| 07:49.43 | debianoob | wm mozilla |
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| 07:50.51 | debianoob | debian always approximated windows experience as far as that goes.... browser prefs that is |
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| 07:51.28 | dondelelcaro | not in my experience, but then again, I don't use a DE. |
| 07:51.48 | debianoob | i usu don u se wm.. |
| 07:51.57 | debianoob | yea i kno |
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| 07:52.35 | debianoob | well maybesomeday you will learn |
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| 07:54.27 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 07:54.33 | debianoob | ok |
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| 07:54.45 | debianoob | gnome does that.. |
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| 07:55.22 | dondelelcaro | I don't use gnome. Nor do I use KDE. If it doesn't work with them, then file bugs and prepare patches. |
| 07:55.34 | debianoob | it is the ultimate re-assurance that everyone has a choice |
| 07:55.53 | debianoob | kde is nice |
| 07:56.59 | debianoob | i use to not like kde |
| 07:57.17 | debianoob | because qt was not open source |
| 07:57.54 | debianoob | was foolish anyway |
| 07:58.06 | debianoob | kde was always nice |
| 07:59.27 | debianoob | ahh but then |
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| 07:59.44 | debianoob | thenext de came along |
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| 08:01.24 | debianoob | neithere were seen again |
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| 08:06.51 | daemonkeeper | debianoob: It seems obvious too me to blame KDE of because of legal issues of the third party libs they were using (where Trolltech agreed previously to redistribute Qt under the terms of the GPL upon a potential license change anyway) |
| 08:07.06 | daemonkeeper | -of |
| 08:07.36 | debianoob | daemonkeeper: i agree: the trolltech deal was thorny |
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| 08:08.58 | daemonkeeper | It was a deal though, that guaranteed KDE to use Qt in future, even if it had changed to Non-GPL. |
| 08:11.03 | debianoob | yeah it was a good thing and everyone |
| 08:11.24 | daemonkeeper | Now the discussion is obsolete anyway. |
| 08:11.27 | debianoob | pretty buch got on board |
| 08:11.54 | debianoob | no see he thing is kde is still a |
| 08:12.06 | debianoob | 2nd rate de |
| 08:12.13 | daemonkeeper | Its a win-win negotiation for KDE and Nokia now, having Qt under the GPL. |
| 08:12.35 | debianoob | yea i dunno bout that |
| 08:13.11 | debianoob | nokia is awesome |
| 08:13.39 | daemonkeeper | KDE contributes a lot to Nokia, e.g. Webkit originated from KDE (the browser engine used in Konqueror) and Nokia pushes Qt development anyway because they focus on it on their smartphones. |
| 08:14.20 | daemonkeeper | So KDE got Windows portability "for free" for example. |
| 08:14.44 | debianoob | qt techniology is going to be here for a while |
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| 08:15.10 | debianoob | jaba to |
| 08:15.14 | daemonkeeper | Well, that's not that bad. Its the best C++ UI toolkit I've ever used. |
| 08:15.37 | daemonkeeper | Compared to that, GTK is a pain. |
| 08:15.55 | Trewas | qt is LGPL now, it used to have a dual license (GPL and some commercial, because GPL practically prevents from making commercial software) |
| 08:16.28 | debianoob | qt is best for quick development? |
| 08:16.55 | debianoob | mainly c++ |
| 08:17.08 | daemonkeeper | Qt is a mature, easy to use UI toolkit with excellent documentation and useful libraries. |
| 08:18.01 | daemonkeeper | Its a bit bloated though, if you don't use Qt anyway. |
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| 08:18.17 | daemonkeeper | (i.e. You don't program KDE apps) |
| 08:18.54 | debianoob | well, if you have one gtk spp you hsv ot losdf gtk |
| 08:19.37 | debianoob | it is tiend and true |
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| 08:20.53 | daemonkeeper | Sure, yet GTK is a bit lighter. Just for core UI libs: |
| 08:21.01 | daemonkeeper | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.9M Sep 5 01:58 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2000.1 |
| 08:21.02 | daemonkeeper | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11M Okt 6 16:09 /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.3 |
| 08:21.18 | daemonkeeper | So GTK has a smaller memory footprint. |
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| 08:21.32 | debianoob | lighter, bugs are what make all gtk and qt load |
| 08:23.12 | debianoob | 'gtk hss smaller mem footprint |
| 08:23.32 | daemonkeeper | Not to forget, that GTK is C, not C++. |
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| 08:24.13 | ondrejk | hello, recently i've read that interface aliases are officialy deprecated and it's not possible to use them in iptables. In centos is this really not possible but on debian i have no problem with it. Is this some kind of adjustment for debian? |
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| 08:27.01 | jnewt | i need to list the sizes of the "top level" directories and their contents by directory. not du -sh, not du -h |
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| 08:28.07 | Dewi | jnewt: du -sh /* ? |
| 08:28.09 | jww | hello. |
| 08:28.57 | Dewi | jnewt: or to avoid the complexities of bash wildcard matching - du -h --max-depth=1 / |
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| 08:29.29 | jnewt | Dewi: perfect, thanks |
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| 08:31.14 | jnewt | one more thing, if anyone knows. my tab-completion has stopped on one of my machines. i get a : <(compgen -d -- 'ho' ): No such file or directory. it's not the end of the world, but i would like it back. |
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| 08:37.24 | jww | after an update of a debian server, I got problems with name resolution.tools like ping doesn't use the dns I have in /etc/resolv.conf, but using dig show the dns works fine.any ideas ? |
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| 08:40.49 | jww | sound like it's a problem with /etc/nsswitch.conf . 'dns' entry was after [NOTFOUND=return], moving it before solved the issue. |
| 08:41.07 | jww | but it's not logic since others server have the old entry, and still use the dns. |
| 08:42.21 | CyberDomovoy | how could i list every package with "Priority: required"? |
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| 08:43.46 | Dewi | CyberDomovoy: check the aptitude user manual under /usr/share/doc/ |
| 08:44.00 | Dewi | CyberDomovoy: under "search patterns" I think |
| 08:44.37 | CyberDomovoy | Dewi: do i have to use aptitude? can't dpkg do that? i don't have aptitude yet in my chroot... |
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| 08:45.07 | Dewi | CyberDomovoy: are you talking about installed packages, or all? |
| 08:45.16 | CyberDomovoy | Dewi: all |
| 08:45.24 | Dewi | CyberDomovoy: dpkg doesn't really have anything to do with packages you don't have installed |
| 08:45.51 | CyberDomovoy | Dewi: ho, right... forgot it ^^ |
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| 09:25.00 | zealiod | I'm not sure why im getting this error for this simple code? http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=35105&seen=true&numbered=on&langoverride=- |
| 09:25.00 | zealiod | syntax error near unexpected token `<' |
| 09:25.00 | zealiod | `dialog --title "File Copy" --gauge "Please wait" 7 70 < <(' |
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| 09:33.54 | CyberDomovoy | i'd like to change only the priority of a package (local repository), do i have to completely rebuild it for that? |
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| 09:43.32 | sep | crashev, you can install unrar from non-free |
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| 09:50.36 | crashev | sep: got it,thx |
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| 10:03.48 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there a place where I can get high quality images for printing debian stickers? |
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| 10:04.17 | ksmith | hey guys |
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| 10:05.25 | ksmith | I wondered if any of you knew a good article on how to setup postfix on lenny ... or any mail server, I just want to get it up and running. |
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| 10:07.22 | sep | ksmith, aptitude install postfix |
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| 10:10.11 | acemi | ksmith: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny |
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| 10:12.13 | ksmith | acemi: that one's looking good! |
| 10:12.15 | ksmith | thanks :) |
| 10:12.19 | ShishKabab | Is there any standard way to watch whether a process in whose pid is in a file and execute a command if the process is down? |
| 10:12.25 | acemi | np |
| 10:14.25 | sep | ksmith, that howto is a huge setup. not at all a "just up and running" |
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| 10:17.54 | yow | hi. does anyone know how to upgrade vmware player on Debian Squeeze? In fact, my installed vmware player failed to work (re-compile) after i `apt-get dist-upgrade'. can anyone help? |
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| 10:19.14 | yow | i just wish to know how to remove or upgrade my previous vmware installation. |
| 10:19.53 | yow | by the way, IIRC, my existing vmware player was install using the vmware tar ball package |
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| 10:20.31 | themill | yow: remove is easy enough -- just re-run the installer. Upgrade I'm not sure about. I gave up trying to get it work with squeeze and installed the virtualbox-ose packages instead. Some nice debian person already did the work to get it to work on squeeze for me. |
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| 10:21.19 | putridp | Aptitude doesn't log which source a particular package was installed from. Is there a way to get it to log this info, to make it easier to remove packages from non-official repos at a later date? |
| 10:21.57 | putridp | (or another cli package manager that can?) |
| 10:22.14 | yow | themill, thx for your reply. i have both installed on my system. my vbox is still working. it just that i need to use vmware as vbox does not work on the computers in a computer lab. |
| 10:22.16 | themill | putridp: which repo in particular are you thinking of? If the repo is set up properly, you can still distinguish them based on their archive attributes |
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| 10:22.49 | yow | themill, another problem is that i might have lost the original installer :( |
| 10:22.51 | shashidhar | how to change the entries in the sources.list file |
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| 10:23.07 | themill | yow: well vmplayer is a free download so that's not so bad |
| 10:23.13 | shashidhar | i need to update the entries |
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| 10:23.57 | themill | yow: there's also a "vmware-uninstall" utility that it installs for just this situation. (which I'm about to run myself because I've cracked it with vmplayer) |
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| 10:25.30 | yow | themill, thx. i seem to have found the vmware-uninstall.pl.let me check it out now. thx again. |
| 10:26.11 | putridp | themill: Well, debian-multimedia.org specifically. It'd be nice to list all the packages/dependancies installed from there. It's probably a bit unnecessary to do so, but it seems better to maintain only official packages where possible. |
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| 10:26.30 | themill | !dmm list |
| 10:26.31 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from debian-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
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| 10:26.58 | putridp | That answers my query rather nicely, thanks! |
| 10:27.03 | themill | putridp: ^^ you can adapt that using the output of "apt-cache policy" to other repos too. |
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| 10:32.13 | Bartzy | Hi, |
| 10:32.28 | Bartzy | for some reason when I connect to my ftp, ncftp client doesn't work, but simple 'ftp' does work flawlessly. anyone ? :p |
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| 10:59.05 | Bladerunner05 | hello, still exist a repository for etch ? |
| 11:02.07 | SPF | Bladerunner05: no, see topic |
| 11:03.08 | bolt-work | probably in the archives still? |
| 11:03.13 | Bladerunner05 | thanks SPF |
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| 11:04.34 | Bartzy | OMG it's so annoying that I can remove synaptic or make it stop popping up.. it's a daemon or something ? |
| 11:05.26 | dimir | s/can/can't/ ? |
| 11:05.33 | Bartzy | yep |
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| 11:08.36 | sylarr | how to ls a USB drive? |
| 11:08.46 | sylarr | how to ls USB drives? |
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| 11:09.14 | petern_ | mount it, then ls it |
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| 11:09.36 | sylarr | petern mount from where? |
| 11:09.42 | sylarr | hence ls usb? |
| 11:11.34 | sylarr | is there such a thing |
| 11:11.40 | sylarr | I do lsusb and it hangs |
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| 11:12.40 | sylarr | I see there is according to man |
| 11:12.49 | sylarr | but it hangs |
| 11:13.53 | petern_ | lsusb just lists usb devices |
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| 11:15.32 | omid8bimo | hey, how can i see if my wlan0 interface is in promisc mode? and how can i turn it on/off? |
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| 11:18.02 | sylarr | petern_, yes, but it doesn't work now |
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| 11:19.15 | sylarr | I have a "Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP " in the dmesg |
| 11:19.20 | sylarr | maybe it is due to that |
| 11:20.06 | sylarr | the call trace has some "[<ffffffff803e04c1>] ? usb_disable_device+0x6c/0xe4 |
| 11:20.08 | sylarr | " |
| 11:20.13 | sylarr | references to USB |
| 11:20.39 | sylarr | do I need to restart the machine, or is there some service that it would suffice to restart? |
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| 11:21.03 | omid8bimo | hey, how can i see if my wlan0 interface is in promisc mode? and how can i turn it on/off? |
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| 11:31.22 | echo-area | Hi. Is the standard way of installing non-official deb packages by 1) putting the deb files in a local directory; 2) adding this directory to sources.list and 3) installing the packages with aptitude/apt-get etc? |
| 11:33.54 | acemi | one of the way is: dpkg -i package |
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| 11:35.12 | echo-area | acemi: Yes I know that way. I thought setting up a local repository is a better way, is it? |
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| 11:36.39 | echo-area | And I saw it somewhere IIRC. |
| 11:36.54 | echo-area | I just couldn't find it |
| 11:38.07 | acemi | i think that adding the directory path in sources.list doesn't works |
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| 11:38.58 | themill | !own repo |
| 11:38.58 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
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| 11:40.48 | echo-area | !reprepro |
| 11:40.48 | dpkg | methinks reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ Alternatively, ask me about <own repo>. |
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| 11:46.55 | themill | echo-area: if it's just a couple of packages for a one-off thing, then use dpkg -i or gdebi or dpkg-scanpackage with a local dir. If you're going to be using this seriously, want to sign the release files etc, then use reprepro. |
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| 11:53.41 | newbie` | hello |
| 11:53.41 | echo-area | themill: Okay thanks very much. I want to use reprepro for my purpose |
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| 11:55.13 | newbie` | i'm trying to install yum "apt-get install yum" on debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 x86_64 , and i'm getting some errors |
| 11:55.17 | newbie` | can anyone help me? |
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| 11:56.05 | OpenTokix | newbie`: yum? yum is the package manager on redhat, right? |
| 11:56.24 | OpenTokix | newbie`: What errors are you getting? |
| 11:56.39 | newbie` | you allow me to paste 2 lines? |
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| 11:57.32 | acemi | !paste |
| 11:57.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:58.37 | newbie` | http://paste.debian.net/101845/ |
| 11:58.49 | newbie` | whenever i try to install any software , i get the same error |
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| 12:00.42 | petern_ | 1) update your package lists (aptitude update) |
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| 12:00.45 | petern_ | 2) yum? hurrrrrrrr |
| 12:01.05 | omid8bimo | hey, how can i see if my wlan0 interface is in promisc mode? and how can i turn it on/off? |
| 12:01.30 | petern_ | ifconfig wlan0 |
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| 12:02.01 | omid8bimo | petern_: says no info regarding promisc mode |
| 12:02.43 | petern_ | hmm, apparently so |
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| 12:03.16 | petern_ | sure it used to :s |
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| 12:05.52 | frikinz | omid8bimo: what about "monitor mode" ? iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor |
| 12:06.29 | omid8bimo | frikinz: how to turn it off? |
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| 12:09.12 | frikinz | omid8bimo: monitor mode allows you to see traffic aimed at ssid you did not join. promiscuous is for seeing traffic not aimed at your network adapter |
| 12:09.42 | frikinz | omid8bimo: iwconfig wlan0 mode managed to go back to normal managed wifi |
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| 12:11.10 | omid8bimo | frikinz: got it. so there is no specific way to turn off promisc mode on wlan interface? |
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| 12:12.06 | frikinz | omid8bimo: ifconfig wlan0 -promisc |
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| 12:26.25 | ondrejk | phpscheduleit looks pretty good, is here anything better? |
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| 12:44.01 | tdn | I would like to receive an e-mail each time apt-get installs a package that requires reboot. I.e. kernel upgrades and libc. How do I do this? Can I hook into dpkg or something like that? |
| 12:44.02 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:44.03 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
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| 13:01.11 | rioch | On squeeze my network card doesn't work, as rtl8168d-1.fw is missing. There's a debian bug report which says that if it worked in the past (no problems on lenny), it should still work, but this is not the case. |
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| 13:02.09 | rioch | oh and my question: what should I do about it? Is it me? Is the bug report incorrect? |
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| 13:03.07 | rdz | hi all. what triggers the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? |
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| 13:04.24 | abrotman | rioch: did you try adding the firmware to see what would happen ? |
| 13:05.19 | rioch | abrotman: the firmware isn't available. it's not in firmware-nonfree |
| 13:05.39 | rioch | There is another bug report which seems to be about adding it, but it's not there yet |
| 13:05.49 | abrotman | judd: file rtl8168d-1.fw --release squeeze |
| 13:05.53 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 13:05.55 | abrotman | boo |
| 13:07.00 | rioch | I'm kinda stuck cos it's my server :( |
| 13:07.51 | abrotman | can you grab the firmware from somewhere else? does the bug report say where to get it ? |
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| 13:09.27 | stew | rdz: the ifup command (which is run by the networking init script during startup) |
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| 13:10.12 | stew | doesn't the driver work without that firmware? |
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| 13:10.35 | abrotman | supposedly it does .. it's supposed to, but apparently it's a wee bit buggy still |
| 13:12.05 | rioch | abrotman: the bug report is 561309 |
| 13:12.21 | rioch | I'm trying to find the one that has realtek guys commenting |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | eh .. marked done ? |
| 13:12.56 | rioch | yup. apparently it should work without the firmware |
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| 13:13.13 | rioch | but I never have eth0 listed in ifconfig |
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| 13:13.44 | abrotman | rioch: lspci -nn .. says what about the NIC ? |
| 13:13.46 | stew | rioch: ifconfig -a ? |
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| 13:14.29 | rioch | 564628 is the bug report where realtek guys talk about licensing |
| 13:14.34 | rioch | let me just boot the server |
| 13:14.46 | rioch | the kernel is quite recent |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | rioch: and what is uname -r ? |
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| 13:18.10 | rioch | uname -r: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:19.25 | rioch | lspci -nn: Ethernet Controller [200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
| 13:19.41 | rioch | Had to type that, so it may not be an exact match :) |
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| 13:21.36 | grandmoun | Hi |
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| 13:24.20 | rioch | abrotman, stew see details above |
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| 13:24.48 | grandmoun | What is the limit of DRDB8 ??? |
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| 13:26.20 | daemonkeeper | Which limit? |
| 13:26.31 | simplechat | Hey guys, random question. Is there any reason why iscsiadm wouldn't logout of a target if you tell it to? |
| 13:26.34 | simplechat | its not giving back any errors |
| 13:26.40 | simplechat | its returning success and failing |
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| 13:27.11 | Bartzy | can I somehow run a 32-bit software on 64-bit debian ? |
| 13:27.28 | Bartzy | The software (house-written) is currently outputting "Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
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| 13:30.18 | abrotman | rioch: that second bug is a bit odd |
| 13:30.24 | abrotman | Bartzy: chroot |
| 13:30.42 | grandmoun | i use ext3 on debian lenny! i just rise the limit of file and sub-directory on this file systems |
| 13:30.56 | Bartzy | abrotman: Meaning I need another debian setup ? |
| 13:31.00 | petemc | Bartzy: your life would be easier if you just ran 32bit debian |
| 13:31.11 | grandmoun | There is a limit of 31998 sub-directories per one directory |
| 13:31.36 | rioch | abrotman: in what way? |
| 13:31.40 | grandmoun | how could i change it?? |
| 13:31.41 | thinksteve | abrotman: Installing the required libraries in a 32bit version isn't possible, is it? |
| 13:32.01 | themill | 32 vs 64bit is unlikely to change segfaults, however. |
| 13:32.37 | Bartzy | themill: It is in this software. It's working in 32-bit |
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| 13:33.09 | Bartzy | petemc: But 64-bit is supposed to have better performance |
| 13:33.19 | Bartzy | petemc: This is not the case in linux ? |
| 13:33.22 | themill | Bartzy: that makes it quite weirdly written (and very buggy... it's probably only not-segfaulting on i386 by accident) |
| 13:34.08 | Bartzy | themill: Not my code :| |
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| 13:37.25 | abrotman | thinksteve: might be, he's been vague .. |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | rioch: just the dialog back and forth |
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| 13:39.52 | rioch | abrotman: ah ok. so is this a case that the first bug report which is "Done" isn't done? |
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| 13:40.23 | abrotman | rioch: it seems mixed .. it was fixed for that guy, but the issue seems to linger? |
| 13:40.29 | abrotman | rioch: what is your uname -r ? |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | oh, i see, nevermind |
| 13:41.18 | jetole | Hey guys. Is there a way for me to list the packages that are required for a build-dep of another package? |
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| 13:41.53 | rioch | abrotman: where they describe that the interface will come up, that just doesn't happen for me. |
| 13:42.07 | jetole | for example if I run apt-get build-dep iptables then it will install all building dependencies but I want to see a list of all building dependencies even if I already have them |
| 13:42.34 | Bartzy | themill: How can I read the "core dump "? |
| 13:42.35 | abrotman | rioch: Ben seems to know a fair amount about that driver, perhaps email him directly? or see if you can find him on IRC? |
| 13:43.16 | rioch | abrotman: I guess that's the best option. |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | you could append that bug also if you choose .. though it was marked done some time ago |
| 13:43.38 | Bartzy | I did a strace on the command |
| 13:43.42 | Bartzy | I get those: 1 HDD, only meant to run as a server. |
| 13:43.43 | Bartzy | sorry |
| 13:43.45 | jetole | er. I think I just found a hack to do it by downloading the source and reading build-depeneds: in the debian/control file |
| 13:43.51 | Bartzy | I get those : connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 13:43.59 | Bartzy | open("/lib/tls/x86_64/libnss_db.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 13:44.00 | Bartzy | for a lot of files |
| 13:44.00 | rioch | abrotman: yeah, I think that because it's so old it's probably better for more direct communication |
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| 13:46.41 | vy | Hi! How can I learn if a system is installed with Debian i386 or amd64? |
| 13:47.03 | petemc | file /bin/bash |
| 13:48.16 | vy | petemc: ELF 32-bit? i386? |
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| 13:48.22 | petemc | right |
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| 14:05.49 | mookney | hey guys, i need some advice on howto repair a logical volume with a corrupted ext3 file system - please see http://pastebin.com/8UWn8ErH |
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| 14:07.09 | Bartzy | hi, I get a segfault running a 32-bit app on 64-bit debian: |
| 14:07.17 | Bartzy | read(3, "\1\0\0\1\1\24\0\0\2\0\10COUNT(*)\3\25\0\0\1\3\3\1\0\0\1\0\0"..., 16384) = 45 |
| 14:07.52 | Bartzy | -- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) -- |
| 14:07.53 | Bartzy | It's running mysql... but other mysql stuff are working good (even on this exact program.. just 1 command is faulty)... |
| 14:07.53 | Bartzy | any idea how to debug this ? |
| 14:07.56 | Bartzy | if this is the right channel at all ? :| |
| 14:08.59 | stew | Bartzy: compile it with debug symbols on, run it in gdb and get a stacktrace, look at the code near where the segfault happens |
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| 14:10.08 | dimir | often application provides binaries with debug symbols in a separate packages (*-dbg). |
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| 14:10.42 | eth01 | 14 0 * * * /dbdump.sh - would run at 2pm yes? |
| 14:10.55 | stew | eth01: no, 00:14 |
| 14:11.06 | dimir | LULz |
| 14:11.10 | dimir | eth01: man 7 crontab |
| 14:11.16 | dimir | eth01: or /j #homework |
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| 14:11.18 | dimir | :-D |
| 14:11.55 | dimir | Or was it man 5 crontab |
| 14:11.57 | Bartzy | stew: How do I compile with debug symbols ? -g flag ? |
| 14:12.03 | dimir | ye |
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| 14:12.13 | dimir | as CFLAGS |
| 14:12.31 | stew | Bartzy: and, of course, don't strip the resulting binaries |
| 14:12.39 | stew | Bartzy: is this a debian package you'd be recompiling? |
| 14:12.40 | Bartzy | stew: What does it mean ? |
| 14:12.51 | stew | Bartzy: the double rainbow? or what? |
| 14:13.12 | Bartzy | stew: Some weird software written in-house that nobody want to support with 64-bit :| |
| 14:13.13 | dimir | Bartzy: there is a binary called 'strip' that strips down this debugging info. |
| 14:13.15 | stew | Bartzy: stripping a binariy? |
| 14:13.30 | Bartzy | #0 0x000000000041a721 in sql_get_int (sql=Cannot access memory at address 0x7ffeffffff28) at sql_util.c:398 |
| 14:13.32 | stew | "Omit all symbol information from the output file" |
| 14:13.47 | Bartzy | this means it was already compiled with debug symbols, and the culprit is @ line 398 in sql_util.c right ? |
| 14:14.01 | stew | yes |
| 14:15.40 | Bartzy | i = sql_get_int_ap(sql, fmt, ap); this is line 398.. weird :| well I won't bother you with unrelated stuff... |
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| 14:16.00 | vy | I have two systems with identical sources.list files and "file /bin/bash" tells me that they are both i386. But, "apt-cache search sdcc" returns nothing in one system, while it finds sdcc package in the other. Any ideas? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | vy: which version of Debian ? |
| 14:16.25 | vy | abrotman: Squeeze |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | judd: versions sdcc |
| 14:16.33 | judd | Package sdcc on i386 -- etch: 2.6.0-5; lenny: 2.8.0.dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.0-5 |
| 14:16.43 | abrotman | vy: it's not in squeeze .. |
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| 14:16.54 | haxi_ | hi here |
| 14:16.55 | stew | vy: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" on the machine that actually finds it (use a pastebin) |
| 14:17.03 | stew | hi there |
| 14:17.23 | haxi_ | I've one question! Yesterday I wanted to install nvidia driver from nvidia's website |
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| 14:17.53 | vy | stew: http://dpaste.com/284372/ |
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| 14:18.06 | haxi_ | the installer told me that I had to remove "nouveau kernel driver" to install the nvidia driver from the website |
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| 14:18.20 | elesouef | Hi there. I have a problem upgrading libgcc1 from squeeze. Dpkg fails with the errors : http://pastebin.com/Vdd9UeKu |
| 14:18.23 | stew | vy: how about "apt-cache policy sdcc" ? |
| 14:18.54 | haxi_ | I wanted to know the differencies between "nouveau kernel driver" and nvidia website's driver |
| 14:18.55 | vy | stew: http://dpaste.com/284373/ |
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| 14:19.19 | stew | vy: ah, so it finds it because it is already installed |
| 14:19.35 | vy | stew: Huh? |
| 14:20.01 | stew | vy: "apt-cache search sdcc" finds sdcc on that machine even though its not available because it is already installed |
| 14:20.21 | stew | vy: it must have been installed before it was removed from squeeze (6 days ago) |
| 14:20.59 | stew | !dbugs 597933 |
| 14:21.04 | dpkg | #597933:S[sdcc] Non-free files distributed in sdcc (); Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:09:04 UTC [] |
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| 14:21.12 | stew | vy: ^ this would be the reason it was removed from squeeze |
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| 14:22.01 | vy | stew: Can I reach the old package somehow? |
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| 14:22.40 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:23.55 | stew | vy: is it in /var/cache/apt/archives? you can get it from sid still |
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| 14:24.25 | stew | vy: note that since there are questions about its license, you should read that bug and decide if the software is still legally usable by you (I haven't looked) |
| 14:24.35 | vy | stew: Yep, I found it in the archives, but I just wonder if there is some sort of history of old deb pkgs. |
| 14:24.44 | stew | vy: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 14:25.05 | stew | though packages with license problems are often removed from there |
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| 14:44.36 | ptripath | Hello Everyone .. I have just added a NIC to my Debian Lenny which runs on VMWare ESX . Is there a way to get my card detected without a reboot ? |
| 14:45.11 | stew | ptripath: does it show up when you run "lspci"? |
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| 14:45.57 | ptripath | stew, yes it does |
| 14:46.12 | ptripath | did not show me on dmesg though |
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| 14:47.07 | stew | ptripath: when you run "lspci -nn" it should show a vendorid:deviceid like '8086:2026" what is that string? |
| 14:47.49 | ptripath | stew, 8086:100f |
| 14:48.02 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:100f |
| 14:48.04 | judd | [8086:100f] is '82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:100f |
| 14:48.12 | stew | ptripath: so after "modprobe e1000" it should show up in "ifconfig -a" |
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| 14:50.30 | ptripath | stew, Thanks ..it works :) |
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| 14:50.47 | stew | :) |
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| 14:52.31 | Ring0` | Hi. How may I check CPU usage/total in Hz not in % ? |
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| 14:52.55 | smiler | That doesn't really make sense. |
| 14:54.57 | stew | Ring0`: you could see what at speed your processors are running, but this isn't a measaure of processor utilization |
| 14:55.37 | poisonbit | awk -F: '/MHz/{print $2}' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:55.37 | JPT | that's like counting how many times a student uses a calculator... |
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| 14:56.57 | Ring0` | stew: Actually I wanted to check how much capacity was pinned to my vms since in general statistics I see 18EHz |
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| 14:57.49 | Ring0` | I think I don't have 18 Exaherz tbh ._. |
| 14:57.59 | Ring0` | if I understood E correctly |
| 15:00.21 | _____________ | I think i'm under attack |
| 15:00.44 | _____________ | I get thousand of theses in my /var/log/syslog |
| 15:00.50 | _____________ | Dec 8 09:31:14 mx postfix/postdrop[23147]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/472830.23147: Permission denied |
| 15:00.59 | _____________ | ten of thousands |
| 15:01.05 | _____________ | *tens |
| 15:01.10 | stew | Ring0`: what do you mean by "pinned"? which virtualization software are you using? |
| 15:01.30 | _____________ | about 60 every seconds |
| 15:01.38 | _____________ | what should I do ? |
| 15:01.48 | stew | _____________: what does "ls -ld /var/spool/postfix/maildrop" return? |
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| 15:02.38 | _____________ | stew: thats the postfix queue right? |
| 15:02.42 | stew | _____________: it doens't look like you are under attack. it looks like you are receiving email |
| 15:02.43 | _____________ | stew: drwx-wx--T 2 postfix postdrop 4096 déc 6 18:26 /var/spool/postfix/maildrop |
| 15:03.33 | _____________ | stew: 50+ requests every seconds is a lot of email |
| 15:03.50 | _____________ | stew: much more than what really happens in the box |
| 15:04.33 | stew | _____________: actually, not receiving mail, but sending mail |
| 15:04.49 | stew | _____________: that's where sendmail would drop outbound mail, i believe |
| 15:04.56 | _____________ | holy shit |
| 15:05.23 | DrEpsas | re stew |
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| 15:06.11 | stew | _____________: i'm not sure what are wrong with the permissions, they look fine to me, but I don't know if you should fix them, it appears that perhaps someone is trying to send spam from you box |
| 15:06.28 | _____________ | right |
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| 15:07.27 | stew | _____________: "postfix check" might tell you what is wrong with the permissions |
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| 15:07.40 | _____________ | ok |
| 15:07.45 | _____________ | i'll check that |
| 15:08.01 | _____________ | stew: where can I find how to do that check? |
| 15:08.07 | stew | _____________: but you should probably be looking for processes running which should be running |
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| 15:08.18 | stew | _____________: just type "postfix check" as root into a shell |
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| 15:08.58 | dimir | what the fuck nick |
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| 15:10.21 | _____________ | stew: holy shit my perms are all wrong |
| 15:10.29 | _____________ | !!! |
| 15:10.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 15:10.46 | stew | _____________: show us in a pastebin |
| 15:11.16 | sec_goat | can some one help me? I am trying to Install Docky from this article http://elric80.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/docky-on-debian-pre-review-and-installation/ and when I APT-GET UPDATE it tells me it can't verify the PPA for docky because there is no public key? |
| 15:11.20 | stew | the maildrop directory looked correct to me, but /var or /var/spool or /var/spool/postfix could be wrong |
| 15:11.35 | stew | sec_goat: you are running debian or ubuntu? |
| 15:11.36 | _____________ | http://pastebin.com/20pmapq3 |
| 15:11.43 | sec_goat | stew: Debian |
| 15:11.43 | _____________ | stew: http://pastebin.com/20pmapq3 |
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| 15:12.21 | stew | sec_goat: PPAs (besides requiring a lot of trust from you) are typically binaries compiled for ubuntu, not debian. are you sure this is for debian? |
| 15:13.05 | stew | sec_goat: no, this is for ubuntu, you should not be trying to install it on debian |
| 15:13.12 | stew | sec_goat: without perhaps recompiling it |
| 15:13.19 | sec_goat | stew: the article says don't worry be happy it works for Debian. . . But Obviosuly not so well, Is there a dock program that IS meant for debian? |
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| 15:15.35 | stew | sec_goat: if you wanted to install this, you'd get the public key for the guy that signed this repository, check your trust path from your key to this guys key, then decide if you trust this guy to run stuff as root on your computer |
| 15:15.55 | stew | sec_goat: then you decide if you trust that the guy who is telling you that packages compiled for ubuntu are really ok to run on debian |
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| 15:16.15 | stew | judd: versions docky |
| 15:16.16 | judd | Package docky on i386 -- sid: 2.0.6-2; squeeze: 2.0.6-2; experimental: 2.0.8-1 |
| 15:16.28 | sec_goat | stew: well honestly I have no clue I'm a complete nooba t all of this |
| 15:16.32 | stew | sec_goat: so yes, there is docky in debian |
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| 15:16.54 | karthick | How to restrict the number of processes a user can start? |
| 15:17.09 | stew | karthick: man limits.conf |
| 15:17.40 | sec_goat | stew: thanks |
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| 15:18.51 | karthick | stew: i have tried that but no use |
| 15:18.53 | stew | sec_goat: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:19.01 | d3c | I'm considering using ec2 for my web services. how will debian lenny 64 bit fit this? |
| 15:19.02 | demalexx | hi, could you help me please. I can't compile rtorrent with xmlrpc-c. I installed all required packages, I downloaded xmlrpc-c and compiled it (./configure make make install). then I downloaded rtorrent tar, extracted, and tried `./configure --with-xmlrpc-c` but then I got "checking for XMLRPC-C... failed |
| 15:19.03 | demalexx | configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test." |
| 15:19.03 | demalexx | I tried both install libxmlrpc-c3 and libxmlrpc-c3-dev, and remove that packages - the same result :( could you help, please |
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| 15:19.33 | stew | demalexx: why not just use the rtorrent in debian? |
| 15:19.41 | demalexx | it's very old in repo |
| 15:20.03 | stew | demalexx: is 0.8.6 new enough? |
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| 15:20.46 | demalexx | "Package: rtorrent (0.7.9-2.2)" |
| 15:20.51 | demalexx | it's stable repo |
| 15:21.06 | stew | yes, 0.7.9-2.2 is in stable |
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| 15:21.12 | demalexx | I'm afraid to install sid :) |
| 15:21.19 | stew | that's good, you should be |
| 15:21.26 | stew | how about running 0.8.6 on stable? |
| 15:21.30 | demalexx | I heard scary stories about mixing stable and sid |
| 15:21.37 | stew | yes, you shouldn't do that |
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| 15:21.54 | stew | demalexx: what version of rtorrent do you need to run? |
| 15:22.02 | demalexx | latest :) |
| 15:22.11 | stew | demalexx: what does the latest do that 0.8.6 doesn't do? |
| 15:22.15 | karthick | stew: any idea? |
| 15:22.30 | stew | karthick: limits.conf is the way to do this |
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| 15:22.45 | demalexx | oh, 0.8.6. is fine I think. but how can I install it? I can't compile it |
| 15:22.47 | stew | karthick: if that didn't work, give us more info: what did you try, how did it fail? |
| 15:22.51 | stew | demalexx: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:23.30 | demalexx | dpkg ssb? |
| 15:23.30 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:23.41 | stew | yes, that ^^^ |
| 15:23.55 | karthick | stew: The used line for limits.conf is "myuser hard nproc 6" but it has no effect |
| 15:23.59 | demalexx | oh, this is nick, I see :) |
| 15:24.45 | stew | demalexx: the "build-dep" step is the one you are missing, but I do believe that you will be better off recompiling a newer debian package than using the upstream source unless you have a good reason |
| 15:25.03 | stew | karthick: logout all instances of "myuser" before testing |
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| 15:25.24 | stew | karthick: as the limits are set upon login |
| 15:25.25 | karthick | stew: yes i have tried that,but no use |
| 15:25.27 | pfred1 | yeah Wally I did it! |
| 15:25.59 | pfred1 | chants Lenny! Lenny Lenny! |
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| 15:26.17 | demalexx | ok, 1. there isno rtorrent in backports http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rtorrent&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
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| 15:26.52 | pfred1 | demalexx I ran bpo kernel for a little while it was a little better |
| 15:27.08 | demalexx | bpo? |
| 15:27.15 | _____________ | stew: now I have this problem: |
| 15:27.17 | _____________ | postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer/1: Permission denied |
| 15:27.24 | pfred1 | demalexx backports |
| 15:27.51 | demalexx | oh... |
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| 15:28.00 | pfred1 | demalexx vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.5-686-bigmem |
| 15:28.43 | pfred1 | but home rolling the latest and the greatest was da bomb! Linux giga 2.6.36.1 #2 SMP Wed Dec 8 08:30:44 EST 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:28.48 | stew | demalexx: yes, it is currently not on backports, i don't know why he is talking to you about kernels |
| 15:28.56 | demalexx | :) |
| 15:29.10 | pfred1 | stew because they mentioned bpo |
| 15:29.10 | demalexx | yes, my current kernel is fine, thanks :) |
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| 15:29.44 | pfred1 | demalexx mine wasn't I had no sound or hardware accel |
| 15:30.11 | _____________ | stew: I have found that these dirs exists: |
| 15:30.12 | _____________ | http://pastebin.com/20pmapq3 |
| 15:30.16 | _____________ | /var/spool/postfix/private/defer |
| 15:30.16 | _____________ | /var/spool/postfix/defer |
| 15:30.44 | d3c | does anyone have experience with Debian lenny and Amazon EC2? |
| 15:30.59 | d3c | or (any) Debian and EC2? |
| 15:31.20 | stew | _____________: oh, the lack of sgid binaries is probably your problem |
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| 15:31.56 | stew | _____________: chown -R root.root /var/spool/ was wrong |
| 15:31.56 | demalexx | sorry, I'm stuck at add dev-src to sources.list. I've found that line, but I think it's for packages, not for source? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 15:32.16 | stew | demalexx: deb is for packages, deb-src is for source. you don't want to add a deb for unstable, just deb-src |
| 15:32.36 | _____________ | stew: I know what happened. some time ago, I did "chown -R dtc.dtcgrp /*" instead of doing "chown dtc.dtcgrp ./*" |
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| 15:32.42 | demalexx | oh, so simple, just replace "deb" with "deb-src"! thanks :) |
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| 15:33.26 | pfred1 | you can add not replace |
| 15:33.31 | _____________ | stew: is my system salvageable ? |
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| 15:34.25 | pfred1 | demalexx make a whole new line for deb-src |
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| 15:34.32 | Goliath | hola |
| 15:34.36 | Goliath | is pidgin or empathy better for video/audio on the googletalk protocol? |
| 15:34.48 | stew | pfred1: no, he needs to replace deb with deb-src in the line he gave above |
| 15:34.49 | demalexx | I see |
| 15:34.55 | trigen | with aptitude install, how can I prevent this part: The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: (.. emacs21-bin-common emacs21-common emacsen-common )? it detected it wrong, i manually installed emacs |
| 15:34.59 | demalexx | doing apt-get update |
| 15:35.06 | pfred1 | stew oh I see i usually have both myself |
| 15:35.48 | pfred1 | man it is time to install darkplaces here |
| 15:35.52 | stew | pfred1: he's trying NOT to upgrade to unstable |
| 15:36.04 | stew | _____________: first, stop blindly changing ownership /permissions |
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| 15:36.18 | pfred1 | stew isn't that changed in the third field? |
| 15:37.01 | stew | pfred1: just stop |
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| 15:37.13 | pfred1 | stew stop what? |
| 15:37.28 | _____________ | stew: yeah |
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| 15:38.00 | stew | _____________: "/etc/postfix/post-install set-permissions" might be able to fix the permissions for postfix in /var/spool |
| 15:38.14 | stew | _____________: you should fix the sgid problems by hand |
| 15:38.48 | stew | _____________: you might look for other sgid binaries in /usr, if you switched others to root from some other group, there are security concerns |
| 15:38.55 | stew | (also suid) |
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| 15:39.18 | SlayerXP | uuh, do we have a stupid nick contest in progress? |
| 15:39.34 | stew | SlayerXP: no |
| 15:39.42 | _____________ | stew: i have no clue how to do that |
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| 15:39.55 | _____________ | stew: I think I should reinstall |
| 15:41.28 | stew | _____________: "find /user -perm /7000" perhaps or perhaps add -type f, but yes, I think a reinstall would be a good idea if that's doable |
| 15:42.09 | _____________ | stew: i just need the queue to resolve before i resintall |
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| 15:43.22 | stew | _____________: try the post-insatll script I pointed you to, then make sure that the binaries "postfix check" that are supposed to be sgid are sgid and chgrp postdrop |
| 15:43.25 | _____________ | stew: and now I get this with trying to fix postfix's perms: |
| 15:43.26 | _____________ | "/etc/postfix/post-install set-permissions |
| 15:43.32 | _____________ | mx:~# /etc/postfix/post-install set-permissions |
| 15:43.32 | _____________ | chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_cdb.so': No such file or directory |
| 15:43.55 | stew | _____________: try upgrade-permissions instead of set-permissions |
| 15:44.00 | stew | _____________: if not, you'll have to fix them by hand |
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| 15:44.14 | _____________ | StealthAsimov: upgrade worked |
| 15:44.50 | stew | _____________: run "postfix check" again |
| 15:45.00 | _____________ | done |
| 15:45.02 | _____________ | i get this: |
| 15:45.14 | _____________ | http://pastebin.com/Py2Rgexu |
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| 15:45.29 | OpenTokix | Holy mother of... that is an annoying nickname. |
| 15:46.05 | stew | _____________: did you fix the permissions of /usr/sbin/postdrop and /usr/sbin/postqueue ? |
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| 15:46.20 | demalexx | small question while it's building - I already ./configure make make install libtorrent, but now when I tried to compile rtorrent it said I need libtorrent-dev. but I already installed it from sources. no? |
| 15:46.21 | pfred1 | OpenTokix can't think of anything to fill in the blank? |
| 15:46.24 | dkr | OpenTokix: heh, I was just typing "are we all pretending that mr underscore is not an incredibly annoying nick? ;)" |
| 15:46.55 | _____________ | stew: yes |
| 15:47.00 | pfred1 | dkr it'd only really be bad if ____________ logged in |
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| 15:47.38 | dkr | demalexx: make it only installed the shared libs by default, look at the options to install the .a files also |
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| 15:47.46 | danols | hi guys is it hard to create an sftp account for a user that has access only to a specific directory ? |
| 15:47.49 | dkr | s/make/maybe/ |
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| 15:48.20 | stew | demalexx: my recommendation is to uninstall whatever you installed with ./configure ; make install, and do the 'simple sid backport' procedure instead |
| 15:48.37 | _____________ | stew: should I chown these to root : http://pastebin.com/Py2Rgexu ?? |
| 15:49.01 | stew | _____________: sure, i don't think this is as big of a deal |
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| 15:49.13 | stew | _____________: what does "ls -l /usr/sbin/postdrop" say now? |
| 15:49.32 | dkr | danols: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 15:49.41 | demalexx | m... that's probably a reason why I can't compile rtorrent from sources with xmlrpc-c - when I compiled xmlrpc-c I didn't set any options... but there was no options in tutorials I read... |
| 15:49.57 | trigen | my debian version Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch4 no longer seems to exist, what packages should i use with apt sources ? |
| 15:50.08 | _____________ | stew: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root postdrop 13804 Sep 14 2008 /usr/sbin/postdrop |
| 15:50.12 | dkr | demalexx: ./configure --help |
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| 15:50.40 | stew | demalexx: or because you didn't install the libxmlrpc-c3-dev package (perhaps by running aptitude build-dep rtorrent) |
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| 15:50.48 | stew | _____________: that needs to be sgid |
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| 15:51.37 | _____________ | stew: sorry man, I dont know what sgid is |
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| 15:52.14 | stew | _____________: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions ; it means users that run the command have their egid changed to the group owner of the executable |
| 15:52.31 | stew | _____________: chmod 2555 /usr/sbin/{postdrop,postqueue} |
| 15:52.33 | pfred1 | is it really bad to install Quake in /usr/games as opposed to /usr/local/games? |
| 15:52.53 | _____________ | stew: thanks |
| 15:53.11 | _____________ | stew: postfix restart is mandatory I guess ? |
| 15:53.16 | nvz | I am having a joystick issue. I tried to set it up as a mouse and it scrolled the pointer all the way to the top left corner, and now in my game it makes me walk in circles. I've since commented out all the joystick stuff in the Xorg config and restarted gdm.. |
| 15:53.18 | pfred1 | I guess I should move it but I like /usr/games/quake so much better! |
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| 15:53.33 | nvz | running jscal -c /dev/input/js0 just segfaults |
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| 15:53.39 | stew | _____________: it shouldn't be. "postqueue -f" would try to flush the queue. "postfix reload" at most but I doubt it |
| 15:54.09 | _____________ | stew: holy shit |
| 15:54.13 | _____________ | worked |
| 15:54.18 | _____________ | man |
| 15:54.22 | pfred1 | nvz I just got done having a heck of a time getting hardware videl accel and sound to work so I know where you're coming from keep at it! |
| 15:54.26 | _____________ | stew: youre a great man |
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| 15:54.49 | stew | \*/ |
| 15:54.50 | nvz | pfred1: yeah well the damn thing was working two nights ago before I made those changes :-P |
| 15:55.01 | nvz | reverting them back didnt solve the problem so IDK |
| 15:55.25 | pfred1 | nvz again that happened to me I had hardware accel then did something killed it and took forever to get it back |
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| 15:55.40 | nvz | I for some reason or another have the KDE joystick control panel installed but it shows the joystick but cant read any info from it |
| 15:56.02 | pfred1 | nvz perms maybe? |
| 15:56.16 | pfred1 | nvz see if your user account can cat it |
| 15:56.37 | nvz | pfred1: nope. I am linux certified and been using debian for over 10 years.. I did think of all that already |
| 15:56.47 | sec_goat | stew: thanks for the help on docky I found the source i needed to add and its working now! |
| 15:56.54 | pfred1 | nvz cool only 6 years less then me |
| 15:56.58 | danols | thanks DKR |
| 15:57.27 | pfred1 | nvz don't mean experienced can overlook the obvious |
| 15:57.45 | nvz | pfred1: yeah but I dont come on here to ask until I cant figure something out |
| 15:57.57 | nvz | pfred1: I almost asked before reverting my xorg config and restarting it |
| 15:58.09 | pfred1 | nvz well good luck I rarely if ever get answers here that help me when i'm stuck |
| 15:58.16 | nvz | pfred1: only other idea I have is some kinda calibration settings file somewhere |
| 15:58.53 | pfred1 | nvz anymore I come in when I'm done to bask |
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| 16:00.10 | nvz | shrugs I see no config files of the sort |
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| 16:00.46 | stew | sec_goat: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:00.47 | nvz | I dont know a whole lot about how joystics work on here much less if Crossover does anything on top of it |
| 16:01.43 | nvz | tries more random unplugging and different ports for the hell of it |
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| 16:01.58 | sec_goat | Stew: Debina Lenny, how do i check the specifics? |
| 16:02.39 | stew | sec_goat: what source did you add? |
| 16:02.46 | sec_goat | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 16:03.04 | pfred1 | nvz I have an old wingman warrior over here I would like to try out someday |
| 16:03.24 | stew | sec_goat: ugh. so yeah, you aren't running lenny aka stable now, you are running unstable (which has only partially been upgraded, so expect possible breakages, perhaps when you reboot) |
| 16:03.31 | pfred1 | thing is a lethal weapon let me tell you it has to weigh 6 pounds |
| 16:03.36 | sec_goat | shiiiiiiiit |
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| 16:04.29 | nvz | pfred1: never heard of it.. I'm not much of a gamer.. but I have a few games I like. GTA-SA being the one I'm looking to play right now. |
| 16:04.31 | stew | sec_goat: this also means that the PPA repository was also not going to work, since it requered libraries newer than lenny's |
| 16:04.56 | sec_goat | stew: what PPA? the one I mentioned earlier? |
| 16:05.04 | stew | sec_goat: yes |
| 16:05.12 | pfred1 | nvz I am all about retro Quake 1 with modded paks and engines but I mouse |
| 16:05.15 | nvz | pfred1: I'm using a PS3 controller though and they're a bitch either way wireless or wired. Last attempt I wasn't spinning anymore but the controller still isn't working. Gonna try a whole different controller |
| 16:05.16 | sec_goat | stew: oh ok, that one never worked anyway |
| 16:05.37 | nvz | pfred1: I'm a big C&C Red Alert fan |
| 16:05.43 | pfred1 | nvz check out Quoth and Darkplaces |
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| 16:07.16 | nvz | unpluggs the PS3.. that may be causing a problem.. the controllers are designed to auto connect to the PS3 wirelessly. I'm trying to connect with a wire to the pc.. |
| 16:08.20 | pfred1 | nvz when i did use joysticks gravis was the thing that just "worked" |
| 16:08.23 | demalexx | I compiled libtorrent to meet dependency, using apt-get source libtorrent, then I try to install it dpkg -i libtorrent11_0.12.6-2_armel.deb. output: http://pastebin.com/UHNt3ypF but I've got the same error while building rtorrent: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.12.6) |
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| 16:09.21 | demalexx | sorry, I used apt-get source libtorrent-dev |
| 16:09.46 | nvz | pfred1: my fav is the original Playstation controller with a USB adapter.. but most things these days need analog.. I prefer the Sony controllers. The PS3 ones are a bitch though to get working.. but I don't currently own a controller and there just happen to be two PS3 controllers here |
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| 16:10.18 | pfred1 | nvz someplace i have a whole box of ancient joysticks |
| 16:11.51 | nvz | well its working again now.. apparently all I had to do is click the center button that normally turns the PS3 on.. its just until I unplugged the PS3, it was doing just that.. heh.. and not going to the wired mode but turning the PS3 on and connecting to it wirelessly |
| 16:12.27 | nvz | I've heard people have been able to get these to work wirelessly too.. but I don't have bluetooth on this computer anyhow. |
| 16:12.54 | stew | demalexx: it should have built both libtorrent11 and libtorrent-dev, install both at once with dpkg -i |
| 16:13.41 | demalexx | stew: right, thanks |
| 16:13.46 | pfred1 | nvz cool |
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| 16:14.19 | demalexx | it's starting compile! yahoo :) |
| 16:14.31 | nvz | demalexx: google! hah |
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| 16:15.00 | demalexx | %) |
| 16:15.14 | demalexx | BINGo |
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| 16:15.35 | teonanacatl | hi |
| 16:16.10 | nvz | bing isn't half bad.. seems like an original idea for a change. Normally MS just buys up something horridly broken and makes it worse |
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| 16:16.36 | teonanacatl | i've got a small problem which i came across once before. i enter 'ruby' (which is installed), and it looks for it in /usr/local/bin, but it's located in /usr/bin |
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| 16:17.20 | nvz | teonanacatl: nothing in debian uses /usr/local |
| 16:17.28 | nvz | debian is FHS compliant |
| 16:17.30 | teonanacatl | yes, i know |
| 16:17.53 | nvz | teonanacatl: then apparently you installed it from an unofficial source, or you need to check the BTS and file a bug |
| 16:17.55 | demalexx | ok, I've come to point I started from - checking for libtorrent... yes checking for XMLRPC-C... failed http://pastebin.com/B9aGD6sa |
| 16:18.36 | teonanacatl | nvz, i installed ruby from source a few months ago, yes |
| 16:18.47 | teonanacatl | and i removed it again - but it seems like i did something wrong |
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| 16:19.02 | nvz | teonanacatl: then just symlink the usr local to the /usr/bin and be done with it |
| 16:19.23 | teonanacatl | i tried that already, getting some weird ruby-errors then |
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| 16:20.10 | nvz | teonanacatl: well as far as this conversation is concerned.. goto #ruby, or install the debian package. |
| 16:20.26 | teonanacatl | i installed the debian package. |
| 16:20.41 | stew | demalexx: did you ever run "aptitude build-dep rtorrent"? |
| 16:20.45 | teonanacatl | i just want to know why it looks in /usr/local/bin when i enter "ruby" |
| 16:20.46 | nvz | teonanacatl: with the source compiled one still installed? |
| 16:20.46 | demalexx | sure |
| 16:20.47 | stew | (successfully) |
| 16:20.50 | teonanacatl | instead of /usr/bin - i just dont get it |
| 16:20.52 | demalexx | stew: sure |
| 16:21.02 | teonanacatl | no, nvz - i removed the source-compiled one |
| 16:21.09 | stew | demalexx: what does "apt-cache policy libxmlrpc-c3-dev" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 16:21.18 | nvz | teonanacatl: so /usr/local/bin/ruby does not exist? |
| 16:21.21 | teonanacatl | exactly |
| 16:21.33 | nvz | teonanacatl: and thats what you get when you type "which ruby"? |
| 16:21.57 | demalexx | Installed: 1.06.27-1 |
| 16:22.01 | demalexx | stew: Installed: 1.06.27-1 |
| 16:22.18 | demalexx | stew: from stable repo |
| 16:22.45 | teonanacatl | nvz, yes |
| 16:23.04 | stew | demalexx: then there is a bug in the debian rtorrent package |
| 16:23.22 | nvz | teonanacatl: I am not familiar with ruby nor do I have it installed, so help me out here.. dpkg -L if need be.. ruby is /usr/bin/ruby then? |
| 16:23.32 | stew | demalexx: i'd guess that it requires a newer libxmlrpc-c3-dev, but it didn't declare a versioned build-dependency |
| 16:23.43 | stew | demalexx: i'd try backporting libxmlrpc-c3-dev from sid and see if that fixes thinngs |
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| 16:24.16 | demalexx | 1. I make make install latest xmlrpc-c, so I thought it'll be used by rtorrent; 2. the same error for compiling from source with no package... |
| 16:24.28 | demalexx | stew: yes, probably need to do that |
| 16:24.40 | teonanacatl | nvz, yes. the problem is really not ruby-related. as i said - i came across this problem some time ago with another binary. it looks in /usr/local/bin (which is empty) instead of /usr/bin |
| 16:24.43 | nvz | teonanacatl: my thoughts are to check your .bashrc, .profile..etc files to make sure your PATH is not wrong or echo $PATH, and if that shows /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin like it should, then use update-alternatives |
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| 16:25.55 | demalexx | stew: it won't help - it's old in all repos |
| 16:25.59 | nvz | teonanacatl: your system should not prefer a non-existant /usr/local binary to one that does exist in /usr if the path is right and something (like a 3rd party install) didn't create a symlink or something |
| 16:26.05 | stew | demalexx: it will help |
| 16:26.13 | nvz | teonanacatl: ls -l /usr/bin/ruby |
| 16:26.18 | nvz | make sure its not a symlink |
| 16:26.23 | demalexx | stew: ok :) |
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| 16:26.44 | stew | nvz: uh, it should be a symlink on debian |
| 16:26.53 | stew | nvz: or is he trying to do somehting non-standard? |
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| 16:28.01 | nvz | stew: the issue was that he says he had installed ruby from source a few weeks ago but now has removed that and using the debian package, but its showing "/usr/local/bin/ruby" when doing which ruby or running it, and that file doesn't exist |
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| 16:28.29 | stew | nvz: but /usr/bin/ruby SHOULD be a symlink |
| 16:28.45 | Matt3o | can someone help me understand why a ssh server is not accepting my rsa pub key? |
| 16:28.46 | teonanacatl | it is, yes - it links to ruby1.8, that should be ok |
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| 16:28.55 | stew | teonanacatl: if /usr/local/bin/ruby shows for "which ruby" and that file doesn't exist, try "rehash" or "hash -r" |
| 16:28.59 | nvz | stew: idk.. never used ruby.. I'm just trying to troubleshoot it as any invalid path / missing binary type issu |
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| 16:29.14 | teonanacatl | stew, i think that is what i was looking for |
| 16:29.31 | teonanacatl | ok, it works |
| 16:29.45 | teonanacatl | thank you, nvz & stew |
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| 16:31.05 | nvz | Matt3o: because the keyfile doesn't exist in the users authorized keys file? |
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| 16:31.36 | stew | Matt3o: do you control the ssh server? (do you have root on the box)? |
| 16:31.39 | Matt3o | nvz: I uploaded the pub content in the authorized keys |
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| 16:31.56 | stew | Matt3o: did you use "ssh-copy-id" to upload it? or did you do it by hand? |
| 16:32.30 | nvz | Matt3o: keep in mind it also has to be in the users homedir you want it to work for ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:32.31 | Matt3o | I CATed it |
| 16:32.59 | Matt3o | nvz: yep it's in the user's dir |
| 16:33.04 | stew | Matt3o: what does "ls -ld .ssh .ssh/authorized_keys" return? they need to not be group/other writable and need to be owned by the user |
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| 16:33.17 | nvz | Matt3o: do you have the private key locally in ~/.ssh/ ? |
| 16:33.45 | Matt3o | nvz: yes |
| 16:34.14 | Matt3o | stew: the file it's owned by the user and it's 644 |
| 16:34.17 | nvz | check permissions, like stew said, and if need be, hash the authorized keys file and the public key locally and compare |
| 16:34.23 | stew | Matt3o: make it 600 and the dir 700 |
| 16:34.59 | Matt3o | when I try to connect I get a "key_type_from_name: unknown key type" (if it may help) |
| 16:35.06 | Matt3o | with ssh -vv |
| 16:35.07 | stew | aha |
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| 16:35.30 | stew | Matt3o: what is the filename of the local private key? |
| 16:35.31 | Matt3o | (I'm trying to change file's permission in the meantime) |
| 16:36.10 | Matt3o | stew: id_rsa (?) |
| 16:36.11 | stew | Matt3o: and what does "file /path/to/private/key" return? |
| 16:36.57 | stew | (and that one should be chmod 600 as well) |
| 16:36.58 | Matt3o | id_rsa: ASCII textù |
| 16:37.10 | Matt3o | whops |
| 16:37.15 | Matt3o | typo |
| 16:37.19 | Matt3o | id_rsa: ASCII text |
| 16:38.03 | stew | Matt3o: i'd expect it to say "id_rsa: PEM RSA private key" |
| 16:38.10 | nvz | Matt3o: did you make these with ssh-keygen? |
| 16:38.17 | stew | Matt3o: is the first line of the file not something like "-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----" ? |
| 16:38.36 | demalexx | omg, it's endless, I still can't compile it |
| 16:39.14 | Matt3o | yes it's -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- |
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| 16:39.48 | Matt3o | but I get this "key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN'" error |
| 16:39.48 | nvz | Matt3o: I'd remove the keys, do ssh-keygen -t rsa, and start over if it were me |
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| 16:40.18 | Matt3o | nvz: should I try with 600 permissions first? |
| 16:40.35 | nvz | Matt3o: I think where you went wrong was how you copied it into the autorized_keys file |
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| 16:41.42 | Matt3o | Okay I'll start over and retry, thanks |
| 16:41.53 | stew | Matt3o: use ssh-copy-id to copy the key, it makes sure permissions are correct |
| 16:42.06 | nvz | Matt3o: do you have the publickeyauthorization set in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 16:42.18 | stew | doesn't matter, the client never sends the key |
| 16:42.22 | Matt3o | nvz: let me check it |
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| 16:42.32 | stew | (i mean, it would matter, but that's not the problem right now) |
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| 16:43.07 | nvz | hmm yes the client thinks the key is a text file |
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| 16:43.17 | Matt3o | also, from the debug it seems that the server is looking for .ssh/identity file (can it be?) |
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| 16:43.38 | stew | Matt3o: you mean the client not the server, right? |
| 16:43.55 | demalexx | the problem is with xmlrpc-c, thought I installed it in many ways: apt-get install/from sources/apt-get source. it just doesn't work |
| 16:44.25 | nvz | wanders off to San Andreas.. |
| 16:44.36 | stew | Matt3o: what version does "ssh -v" return? |
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| 16:45.08 | Matt3o | 5.5p1 on client |
| 16:45.37 | stew | Matt3o: its not unreasonable that it looks for identity as a fallback after looking for id_rsa and id_dsa |
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| 16:46.51 | Matt3o | ps: PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 16:48.30 | nvz | Matt3o: there would also be a RSA line right above that.. but either way it does seem to be a client side problem.. I'd regenerate the keys and try it again.. make sure its an actual RSA key before you start |
| 16:48.56 | Matt3o | I'm recreating the keys, thanks |
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| 16:49.24 | Matt3o | weird because I use the same keys in other enviroments |
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| 16:50.18 | nvz | idk, I usually use keys and disable pam, but never had these kinda issues |
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| 16:51.06 | demalexx | thanks for help anyway :) I surrender |
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| 16:54.07 | haxi | re |
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| 16:54.32 | haxi | excuse me guys, but I lost my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is it normal? :-° |
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| 16:57.52 | Matt3o | omg... always the same key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' |
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| 16:59.03 | plus | is there any particular reason the .img files for beta 1 of squeeze are missing from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/? |
| 16:59.23 | plus | also, is it possible to build the images from the files provided there? |
| 16:59.37 | plus | I should probably specify I am talking about the usbhdd images |
| 16:59.38 | Bartzy | You ever had one ? |
| 17:00.53 | stew | plus: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 17:01.35 | plus | stew: thanks |
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| 17:04.38 | Matt3o | I also get a " we did not send a packet, disable method" after trying private key (does this ring a bell?) |
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| 17:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | haxi: Yes, it's normal for current versions of xorg not to have or need an xorg.conf, and I suppose it's possible that it was deleted if you hadn't customized it. |
| 17:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | haxi: If it was customized it should have been left alone. |
| 17:06.43 | haxi | that's it |
| 17:07.05 | bluegene | does anyone know a cmdline tool to perform xqueries on a given file? |
| 17:07.41 | haxi | jhutchins_lt: I'm trying to uninstall "nouveau kernel driver" and install nvidia website's one |
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| 17:08.21 | haxi | yesterday nvidia install just fucked up my system, lol. |
| 17:08.29 | sec_goat | stew: Wish me luck on my new unstable verison of Debian I am goign to reboot to see how much damamge i have done! |
| 17:08.47 | CissWit | haxi: did you have a look at the debian wiki about the installation of the nvidia drivers ? |
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| 17:09.08 | haxi | yep |
| 17:09.27 | Tobias| | This is just something abstract, but is it possible to pair my ethernet and wifi connections (using another computer on the same network as a proxy/whatever) such that I can have an uninterrupted connection irrespective of connection means? |
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| 17:09.33 | haxi | I uninstalled nouveaudriver and I just have to sh nvidia install ^^ |
| 17:09.49 | Tobias| | (I understand that using purely wifi would work, but I don't have n-spec, and it's significantly slower than gigabit) |
| 17:09.54 | Tobias| | +anyway* |
| 17:10.03 | jeansch | Hi, is there some templates or tools to generate ITPs ? |
| 17:10.18 | stew | jeansch: reportbug wnpp |
| 17:10.31 | Digdilem | afaik you can't bond that way - or at least, you'd need something smart at the other end to know which way to send stuff |
| 17:10.41 | jeansch | stew, thanks |
| 17:10.46 | Tobias| | I see |
| 17:10.48 | Tobias| | That's a shame |
| 17:11.18 | Digdilem | why not just use ethernet if you've got it, or is that not enough? |
| 17:11.54 | Tobias| | At times, I move around, and it's annoying to drop everything and reconnect |
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| 17:12.09 | Digdilem | ah. yes. |
| 17:12.18 | thewanderer1 | Tobias|: so you'll have to get a faster wireless connection |
| 17:12.23 | Tobias| | This isn't something I'll loose sleep over, but it is something that if I could implement would be nothing short of absoloutely, fantastically awesome |
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| 17:13.45 | thewanderer1 | your ethernet and wifi devices have different MAC addresses |
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| 17:14.21 | thewanderer1 | and since ARP resolves MAC using IP addresses, 1 IP address can only have 1 MAC... |
| 17:15.01 | Tobias| | Read what I said again. |
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| 17:15.08 | Tobias| | (using another computer on the same network as a proxy/whatever) |
| 17:15.11 | echoprinter | Is there a good cheatsheet of apt commands? I can't remember the apt command for displaying a package's version number. :/ |
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| 17:15.49 | thewanderer1 | Tobias|: you would still have to manage connection migration somehow, and I know of no way to do that |
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| 17:16.09 | thewanderer1 | TCP endpoint disappears => connection is closed |
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| 17:16.22 | stew | echoprinter: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 17:16.25 | thewanderer1 | with UDP it gets even worse :P |
| 17:16.31 | Tobias| | If there was some low-level proxy implemented |
| 17:16.34 | Tobias| | That could be overcome |
| 17:16.52 | thewanderer1 | so you mean sth like remote Ethernet device, but bound locally... |
| 17:17.08 | thewanderer1 | (I see no other solution) |
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| 17:17.24 | Tobias| | Something like that, assuming I'm interpreting you correctly |
| 17:17.43 | thewanderer1 | so, while binding sockets, you'd bind to an interface which is not local |
| 17:17.49 | thewanderer1 | but seen as the kernel to be local... |
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| 17:18.12 | thewanderer1 | s/as the kernel/by the kernel/ |
| 17:18.35 | echoprinter | stew: thanks. |
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| 17:18.53 | thewanderer1 | plausible as it sounds, it would still require a network path to the proxy host... and that's what it boils down to |
| 17:20.12 | thewanderer1 | it is possible to switch network interfaces on/off, but in the process of doing so your connections get cut off, so forget about NFS-mounted home etc. |
| 17:20.25 | thewanderer1 | do you need connection persistence? |
| 17:20.40 | Tobias| | I would have thought there would have been an interruption |
| 17:20.48 | Tobias| | But unless connections had incredibly short timeouts |
| 17:20.53 | Tobias| | You would get by fine |
| 17:21.00 | Tobias| | You could have wifi always-on |
| 17:21.11 | thewanderer1 | well, there is an interruption, but it doesn't get fixed by itself |
| 17:21.42 | thewanderer1 | the TCP endpoint changes as the IP address changes, so you have to redo the connection opening phase |
| 17:22.11 | thewanderer1 | if you're the "server", it's more complicated, too |
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| 17:23.33 | sec_goat | awww shoot, I broke Debian! any wya to roll back from SID or whatever its called that I upgraded to? |
| 17:23.38 | thewanderer1 | if you don't do long-lived connections often (those are IRC, other chat protocols, huge file transfers, streaming media), that would be ok as the data can be re-transferred quickly |
| 17:24.01 | nvz | sec_goat: reinstall, restore your last backup.. |
| 17:24.01 | thewanderer1 | sec_goat: release downgrades are not supported, sorry :P |
| 17:24.02 | Tobias| | Hm.. |
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| 17:24.30 | sec_goat | nvz: backup? thats funny I hadn't even finished cofiguring my system yet :P |
| 17:24.32 | thewanderer1 | Tobias|: if you really need connection persistence, you'll want a specialized protocol |
| 17:24.50 | nvz | sec_goat: well welcome to your first mistake |
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| 17:25.11 | thewanderer1 | a general scheme of this would involve a proxy server being notified about the client's current address and re-establishing the connection, along with re-transferring all missed packets |
| 17:25.26 | thewanderer1 | however, I don't know a quick solution to this problem |
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| 17:25.51 | nvz | sounds like this is all a self inflicted problem you two are talking about |
| 17:26.10 | thewanderer1 | nvz: no, just network independence... |
| 17:26.32 | sec_goat | nvz: yeah im full of mistakes AND self inflicted problems |
| 17:26.33 | nvz | thewanderer1: participating in multiple networks at the same time? |
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| 17:26.35 | Tobias| | Yes |
| 17:26.48 | thewanderer1 | nvz: being able to move between different addresses without losing connections |
| 17:26.53 | Tobias| | (agreeing to what thewanderer1 said) |
| 17:27.06 | nvz | thewanderer1: ah. well that would be interesting.. |
| 17:27.10 | thewanderer1 | Tobias|: well, there is something called Mobile IPv6, but as the name implies, it's not for the faint of heart (us IPv4 users...) |
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| 17:27.30 | nvz | thewanderer1: this is why they invented 802.11s heh.. |
| 17:27.58 | thewanderer1 | nvz: but in mesh your connection doesn't get cut off I think |
| 17:28.10 | nvz | thewanderer1: exactly.. |
| 17:28.16 | thewanderer1 | the IP address never changes, only the routing tables do |
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| 17:29.05 | nvz | thewanderer1: you're essentially trying to do the same thing but using a proxy so that all nodes don't have to support or be using 802.11s |
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| 17:29.25 | thewanderer1 | could be... |
| 17:29.27 | nvz | I had the same idea.. so I can hop open wifi points making a seemingly endless free network.. heh |
| 17:29.42 | thewanderer1 | nvz: Mobile IPv6 facilitates just this |
| 17:29.51 | nvz | never heard of it |
| 17:30.08 | thewanderer1 | well, many haven't heard of IPv6 itself, so you're still ahead of the crowd... |
| 17:30.11 | nvz | but I will make a note to look into it. |
| 17:30.19 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
| 17:30.29 | thewanderer1 | so assuming the IP address doesn't change but the MAC does... |
| 17:30.33 | nvz | I would assume that would also require both sides to support the protocol |
| 17:30.52 | thewanderer1 | nvz: the router and the client, sure |
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| 17:31.33 | thewanderer1 | it *might* just be possible to quickly drop an address from eth0 and acquire it on wlan0, for example |
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| 17:32.09 | nvz | na, the dhcp pool would show the lease already active on a different MAC and would assign a different one |
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| 17:32.17 | squidly | is there a way to tell if a flag was enabled at build time of the openssl package? |
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| 17:32.40 | thewanderer1 | nvz: why? a `release` gets issued before |
| 17:32.42 | nvz | until the lease timed out, and even then most DHCP servers will goto the end of the pool before giving someone else's IP out again |
| 17:32.46 | thewanderer1 | but nobody really wants DHCP here! |
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| 17:32.52 | nvz | ah |
| 17:33.08 | thewanderer1 | I already figured out it would be more of an obstacle than of a help :P |
| 17:33.34 | nvz | thats even crazier... trying to seamlessly hop networks staically |
| 17:33.46 | thewanderer1 | not networks, just within 1 network |
| 17:34.05 | thewanderer1 | it could work within 1 network... actually, I don't see a reason it shouldn't |
| 17:34.22 | nvz | shrugs |
| 17:34.36 | nvz | I need to take a damn networking course. I only know a little |
| 17:34.58 | thewanderer1 | that would definitely eliminate the possibility of having 2 interfaces enabled at the same time, too |
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| 17:37.19 | SammyTheSnake | I've got a dpkg process in uninterruptible sleep trying to install tcl8.5, can anyone help me work out what it's blocking on and how to unblock it? |
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| 17:37.57 | themill | SammyTheSnake: what filesystems are involved, btw? |
| 17:38.45 | SammyTheSnake | themill: nothing unusual, just an ext3 root system and the usual tmpfs etc. |
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| 17:39.14 | themill | do you have lots of other heavy IO going on? or a stale nfs mount? |
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| 17:39.46 | SammyTheSnake | it's 99% idle, the most demanding thing on the machine at the moment is the screensaver |
| 17:40.10 | SammyTheSnake | the process has been stalled for 20 minutes plus with no obvious sign of progress |
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| 17:40.30 | SammyTheSnake | (though I'm not sure exactly where to look to see the progress it's supposed to be making) |
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| 17:40.48 | SammyTheSnake | the terminal says "Unpacking replacement tcl8.5..." and has done all that time |
| 17:41.18 | SammyTheSnake | /proc/[pid]/fd/ doesn't show any files that look like the contents of the .deb being expanded... |
| 17:41.56 | themill | hmm... I was just asking because dpkg is showing quite variable performance (on squeeze) depending on what other IO is going on at the time. |
| 17:42.33 | SammyTheSnake | it's definitely a proper hard lock, the process has been in D state without even responding to kill -9 all this time |
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| 17:43.19 | SammyTheSnake | I wouldn't mind *slow* :-P |
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| 17:44.40 | esaym153 | how do I replace stuff like this in a ascii text file? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specials_%28Unicode_block%29 |
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| 17:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | SammyTheSnake: disk space/inode shortage? |
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| 17:48.22 | SammyTheSnake | I'd be surprised, but let me check |
| 17:48.57 | SammyTheSnake | heh, 405G free, unless something's very pathological, it's not likely to be an inode shortage, do you know how I'd check for that? |
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| 17:50.25 | Bushmills | try df -P -l -i |
| 17:50.30 | SammyTheSnake | ah, df -i |
| 17:50.35 | SammyTheSnake | 1% inode usage |
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| 17:51.31 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: can you write anything else on that filesystem without locking it up? |
| 17:51.52 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: the system appears to be working just fine apart from dpkg |
| 17:52.11 | thewanderer1 | hm, what kernel version? |
| 17:52.34 | SammyTheSnake | fsck -n (read-only analaysis) gives this rather worrying message: Inode 2515052 was part of the orphaned inode list. IGNORED. (repeated for a stack of inodes) |
| 17:52.47 | SammyTheSnake | Linux [nodename] 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sat Oct 30 22:47:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:53.04 | thewanderer1 | to me it seems that you've hit a filesystem bug |
| 17:53.11 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: :( |
| 17:53.18 | SammyTheSnake | not what I wanted to hear :-S |
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| 17:53.50 | SammyTheSnake | it would be nice to be able to find out what the process is waiting on (I'm sure it must be possible, but I'm not that 1337) |
| 17:54.17 | thewanderer1 | you might be able to connect to it with gdb |
| 17:54.29 | thewanderer1 | at least ptrace and looking at memory is possible |
| 17:54.47 | thewanderer1 | well, kernel bugs happen, especially if you're unshielded from cosmic rays |
| 17:54.59 | thewanderer1 | bit flip here, there, and you're doomed before you know it |
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| 17:55.07 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: rapidly losing me with all that ptrace / gdb stuff, it's a long time since I programmed in a low level language :-P |
| 17:55.26 | thewanderer1 | I'd suggest a reboot |
| 17:55.30 | thewanderer1 | or... |
| 17:55.32 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: I've been edging towards just rebooting, but I'd love to be able to get to the bottom of it... |
| 17:55.34 | thewanderer1 | try dropping the caches |
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| 17:55.52 | thewanderer1 | tries to remember what command it was |
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| 17:55.59 | ravenzz | hello |
| 17:56.10 | thewanderer1 | http://linux-mm.org/Drop_Caches |
| 17:56.18 | Guest27153 | hola |
| 17:56.20 | thewanderer1 | try to drop some caches and see if the situation improves... |
| 17:56.35 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: I'll read that page and see what's involved |
| 17:56.58 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure if it helps or whether the page is marked as "clean" at all, but it's all I can think of |
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| 17:57.23 | ravenzz | any good sysadmin with good security skills? |
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| 17:57.40 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: hmm, looks non-scary enough |
| 17:57.41 | thewanderer1 | why, you hiring? |
| 17:57.57 | datenritter | hi! on a 2.6.26-2-xen-686 with ext4dev loaded i get: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" - are there any libs i should update or anything? |
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| 17:58.26 | thewanderer1 | datenritter: I think you need a kernel that supports ext4 to use ext4 |
| 17:58.30 | d1b | datenritter: the kernel... |
| 17:58.33 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: should I expect this to take seconds or 20 minutes? |
| 17:58.38 | d1b | he can mount it as ext4dev iirc |
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| 17:58.48 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: it should be instantaneous |
| 17:58.48 | ravenzz | need kind of help with ddos :\ i'll be gladly to offer some beers |
| 17:58.57 | datenritter | thewanderer1: d1b: does it mean i have to change the fs type to ext4dev ? |
| 17:59.06 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: hmm |
| 17:59.08 | datenritter | i know, the 2.6.26 does not have stable ext4 support |
| 17:59.25 | thewanderer1 | datenritter: well, try mounting it as ext4dev, and cover your ears or sth |
| 17:59.34 | d1b | ravenzz: what's the problem? |
| 17:59.36 | thewanderer1 | or grab a fire extinguisher :P |
| 17:59.39 | d1b | datenritter: i think so |
| 17:59.50 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: I now have one more uninterruptible sleeping process |
| 18:00.00 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: the bash that I used to echo with |
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| 18:00.05 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: hehe |
| 18:00.06 | d1b | SammyTheSnake: you may need to kill the pid of the parent |
| 18:00.15 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: it's the bloody cosmic rays, they've striked again |
| 18:00.16 | datenritter | oh, "EXT4-fs: hda2: not marked OK to use with test code." |
| 18:00.23 | datenritter | ok, i'll use xfs... ;) |
| 18:00.24 | SammyTheSnake | d1b: of bash or dpkg? |
| 18:00.36 | d1b | SammyTheSnake: if it is not killable |
| 18:00.41 | ravenzz | d1b seems that someone ddos me with about 98mb/s, but i cant figure out how. im just filtering 80's traffic |
| 18:00.42 | d1b | (in general) |
| 18:00.58 | d1b | ravenzz: against your domain name or you ip? |
| 18:01.12 | d1b | if it is you domain just play my domain is now at 127.0.0.1 ^ ^ |
| 18:01.20 | ravenzz | suppose ip |
| 18:01.20 | ravenzz | eheh |
| 18:01.24 | ravenzz | no no:p |
| 18:01.37 | datenritter | thanx anyway |
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| 18:01.39 | SammyTheSnake | d1b: hmm, the parent was killed a while back, so that's apparently not the answer :-P |
| 18:01.41 | thewanderer1 | no, if it's DDoS it means there's no single attack point |
| 18:01.54 | ravenzz | yes i know |
| 18:01.55 | d1b | SammyTheSnake: i had the same problem btw a while back |
| 18:01.59 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: you should probably deny hosts that keep eating up too much bandwidth |
| 18:02.07 | SammyTheSnake | d1b: what fixed it in the end? |
| 18:02.09 | d1b | if it is in something like __blk__get or __wait don't remember which it just will not DIE |
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| 18:02.12 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: reboot :P |
| 18:02.19 | d1b | SammyTheSnake: i finished compiling a kernel and i rebooted ;) |
| 18:02.22 | SammyTheSnake | d1b: I guessed :( |
| 18:02.22 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: do you have ECC memory in there? |
| 18:02.24 | ravenzz | yes but where i can find it? syslog? |
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| 18:02.34 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: not a clue, not even sure how to find out :-S |
| 18:02.35 | d1b | iwas tempted to modify my kernel to not care ^ ^ |
| 18:02.46 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: if you're on a laptop/desktop machine then not |
| 18:02.51 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: is there something in /proc/ that tells you? |
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| 18:02.59 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: I highly doubt that |
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| 18:03.10 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: it's an entirely unexciting desktop |
| 18:03.33 | thewanderer1 | my magical powers can guess the ECC-ness of a memory by looking at the CPU, though |
| 18:03.47 | d1b | just reboot |
| 18:03.54 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: uhuh, not supported by all cpus by any chance? |
| 18:03.56 | thewanderer1 | yes, that should fix it |
| 18:03.58 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 18:04.14 | thewanderer1 | but if you had ECC, it'd be probably flashing warning LEDs all around the place |
| 18:04.33 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: LEDs are a bit high-budget for our office, I'm afraid :-P |
| 18:04.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, stick with electron lamps :) |
| 18:05.09 | thewanderer1 | what it basically means is that the kernel has probably run into a memory error... |
| 18:05.10 | ravenzz | fuckin lamers :| |
| 18:05.27 | d1b | ravenzz: well get the dc in on filtering etc. |
| 18:05.30 | SammyTheSnake | ah well, I'll have to tell my cow-orca she needs to reboot. I'd do it for her but she's got lots of apps open and I don't want to lose that state for her :-P |
| 18:05.32 | d1b | there isn't much you can do |
| 18:05.45 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 18:05.50 | SammyTheSnake | well, db1 / thewanderer1, thanks for your input, even if the answer is just to go with my first instinct ;) |
| 18:05.55 | thewanderer1 | and get 50cm of lead armor above the box, too |
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| 18:06.03 | ravenzz | damn almost every day they ddos me |
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| 18:06.11 | d1b | ravenzz: wat? |
| 18:06.13 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: what about radon coming up from the ground, though? :-O |
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| 18:06.35 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: low energy, don't be concerned too much :P |
| 18:06.48 | d1b | ravenzz: what do you host etc. ? |
| 18:06.59 | ravenzz | d1b i run only a webserver and ssh, i haven't much things to filter |
| 18:07.25 | d1b | ravenzz: why would they ddos you? |
| 18:07.29 | d1b | they must have a reason |
| 18:07.31 | ravenzz | dont know |
| 18:07.37 | d1b | s/must/should/ |
| 18:07.39 | ravenzz | maybe i've a good service |
| 18:07.39 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: try mod_evasive if you're on Apache2, lighty has sth similar |
| 18:07.52 | ravenzz | that they like |
| 18:08.07 | thewanderer1 | but see the logs first, perhaps you're going to cut off customers or so... |
| 18:08.08 | ravenzz | envy (?) |
| 18:08.14 | ravenzz | sorry my english sucks |
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| 18:08.53 | thewanderer1 | ,info libapache2-mod-evasive |
| 18:08.54 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-evasive (web, optional) in lenny/i386: evasive module to minimize HTTP DoS or brute force attacks. Version: 1.10.1-1; Size: 14.6k; Installed: 52k |
| 18:09.10 | ravenzz | thewanderer1 i'm running lighttpd |
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| 18:09.15 | ravenzz | not apache |
| 18:09.17 | thewanderer1 | it has something similar |
| 18:09.22 | ravenzz | yes suppose |
| 18:09.23 | ravenzz | wait |
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| 18:10.12 | ravenzz | btw it isn't a webserver issue |
| 18:10.14 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:10.20 | ravenzz | i'm already filtering http conn |
| 18:10.47 | ravenzz | dropping bad hosts |
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| 18:11.21 | thewanderer1 | set up some iptables rate limiting or so |
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| 18:12.07 | thewanderer1 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 18:12.10 | ravenzz | i'm unfortunatly i'm not an iptables guru.. so i can limit rate for each hosts? |
| 18:12.23 | ravenzz | yea great |
| 18:12.29 | ravenzz | maybe this could help me |
| 18:12.36 | thewanderer1 | and this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/lighttpd-set-throughput-connections-per-ip.html |
| 18:13.44 | ravenzz | oh wait |
| 18:13.51 | ravenzz | i'm already doing that |
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| 18:14.24 | Snadder | Could anyone recommend a networking card wich does full duplex gbit transfer? |
| 18:14.29 | ravenzz | that points to limit connection attemps |
| 18:14.40 | ravenzz | that's the way i'm filtering on 80 |
| 18:15.00 | thewanderer1 | then employ lighttpd per-connection bandwidth filters |
| 18:15.10 | thewanderer1 | along with connection rate limiting, it should prove sufficient |
| 18:15.34 | ravenzz | thewanderer1 i suppose that they dont attacks me on 80 |
| 18:15.36 | thewanderer1 | Snadder: Gigabit Ethernet is always full-duplex, the standard says so |
| 18:15.45 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: so close all other ports |
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| 18:16.01 | Snadder | thewanderer1, any brand you can recommend.. or any pitfalls not to fall into? |
| 18:16.05 | ravenzz | i've only another port open: ssh |
| 18:16.09 | ravenzz | nothing else |
| 18:16.18 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: so see on what port someone is eating up your bandwidth |
| 18:16.35 | ravenzz | where/how |
| 18:16.42 | ravenzz | i've few experience on sysadmin |
| 18:16.44 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: well, network equipment... |
| 18:17.16 | alyur | Hello. How to limit NAT'ed connections? I Tried connlimit in FORWARD chain of iptables, but seems that not work. |
| 18:17.24 | thewanderer1 | Snadder: just pick one that works and stick with it... for me, Realtek onboard stuff has been okay, and for production uses I choose Intel server NICs |
| 18:17.26 | pipeline | Snadder: Intel is always the best choice in NICs. It's also always the most expensive. |
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| 18:18.23 | thewanderer1 | you'll need firmware for both intel and realtek, though - forget pure free software :( |
| 18:18.37 | ravenzz | thewanderer1 what? i can manage that vps only by ssh |
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| 18:19.21 | thewanderer1 | ravenzz: have you checked the logs to see if the attack targets your HTTP server? |
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| 18:21.52 | thewanderer1 | also, if you're on a VPS, you probably don't have dedicated bandwidth (or do you really pay $1,5000 monthly for 90Mb/s?) so it could as well be other customers exploiting this throughput currently... |
| 18:21.59 | thewanderer1 | ("bad neighbours") |
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| 18:23.04 | ravenzz | indeed i got a dedicated 100 Mbit/s |
| 18:23.42 | ravenzz | with unlimited traffic |
| 18:23.45 | ravenzz | ~ |
| 18:23.54 | ravenzz | maybe they flood/smurf(lol) |
| 18:23.54 | ravenzz | me |
| 18:24.20 | sec_goat | stupid(?) question: is there a way to reinstall debian, wiping it's partition from inside windows? |
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| 18:25.31 | Tobias| | Why do that? |
| 18:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: Check the install guide for installing from windows - I'm sure there are better options. |
| 18:25.35 | Tobias| | Why not just run the disk? |
| 18:25.45 | Tobias| | Then manually partition over the top of the old ones? |
| 18:26.01 | Tobias| | If your issue is that you have no CDs, you could always substitute a USB drive |
| 18:26.46 | sec_goat | jhutchins: There probably are but I have to be able to continue working |
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| 18:27.01 | dutchfish | or http://boot.kernel.org/ |
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| 18:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | sec_goat: A little more info on your situation might result in a solution. You need to clean-install debian, you have a partition. Can you not take enough downtime to reinstall conventionally? Is there some restriction on your ability to boot from other media? |
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| 18:31.48 | cusco | hello |
| 18:32.18 | cusco | Im looking for a media server.. |
| 18:32.30 | cusco | that I can use on my home server with no X |
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| 18:32.41 | cusco | recommendations? |
| 18:33.16 | dutchfish | cusco: i use on debian http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ |
| 18:33.49 | dutchfish | cusco: you need to compile it yourself, but is in active devlopement and friendly devs |
| 18:33.58 | cusco | ok.. |
| 18:34.04 | cusco | I never used a media server before |
| 18:34.12 | cusco | do you play audio with it, or also video? |
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| 18:34.26 | dutchfish | cusco: audio, video, pictures |
| 18:34.35 | cusco | so.. you need X on it, right? |
| 18:34.41 | dutchfish | cusco: no x needed |
| 18:35.02 | dutchfish | cusco: config over console (ssh) |
| 18:35.14 | cusco | yes, but who reproduces the media? |
| 18:35.21 | dutchfish | ? |
| 18:35.22 | cusco | the server, or is it like a web gui on yourside |
| 18:35.43 | dutchfish | cusco: no gui, its a mediaserver |
| 18:35.55 | cusco | so, you connect it to a screen..! |
| 18:36.16 | dutchfish | cusco: no i connect it to my tv, computer etc over the lan/net |
| 18:36.50 | jhutchins_lt | mediatomb, gmediaserver, rygel |
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| 18:37.11 | cusco | I gues my doubts are no longer about the software but the concept of media server |
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| 18:37.24 | cusco | Im sorry, I just never used any of this.. so I have this debian box, connected to some speakers and to a hi-def tv |
| 18:37.40 | cusco | it only runs apache with php for now |
| 18:37.40 | dutchfish | cusco: well, you should delve into the concepts first, there is a meriade of possibilities out there |
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| 18:38.14 | cusco | and, can I reproduce video with no X? |
| 18:38.34 | dutchfish | cusco: yes, but the mediaserver itself does not |
| 18:38.43 | dutchfish | cusco: it serves media |
| 18:38.46 | yoshio | on Squeeze, I went to accuradio.com , and pressed on a channel, the player window comes up, but no audio plays - how do I solve this? alsa works fine, flash audio is fine, I'm in iceweasel |
| 18:38.49 | cusco | right, for streaming and such |
| 18:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Generally a media server is a central storage system that lets other systems play the media. it can be as simple as a fileserver or as complex as a UPnP server that organzes and even transcodes the media for specific hardware. |
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| 18:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: PS3's and other web-enabled TV appliances can use UPnP to detect the server and to read the media. |
| 18:39.31 | dutchfish | cusco: but that being siad, you could of course combine more services that indeed do need X on a box, thats up to you |
| 18:39.36 | cusco | right...! |
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| 18:40.06 | cusco | well I have no web enabled tv appliances |
| 18:40.20 | dutchfish | cusco: or phones, or pads ot whatever |
| 18:40.38 | cusco | I guess I will just use some command line audio player for now until I decide what I really want |
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| 18:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: So you're thinking of something that you're going to watch video on the device in question - more like Windows Media Center. |
| 18:40.48 | cusco | thanks for enlightnment |
| 18:40.52 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 18:41.12 | cusco | jhutchins_lt: I never used windows media center, but I guess so |
| 18:41.22 | cusco | I guess I just need to instal Xorg and mplayer :| |
| 18:41.26 | thewanderer1 | xbmc is the linux alternative to Windoze Media Center... |
| 18:41.50 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: That'd work. |
| 18:41.50 | cusco | ok. I will read about it |
| 18:41.57 | thewanderer1 | recently others have been maturing, too |
| 18:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: I would guess most linux users have used their regular desktop for that kind of function for quite a while. |
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| 18:42.30 | dutchfish | cusco: decide what you want, then how to devide the services and how to combine them to your needs, your inventifity is the limit |
| 18:42.35 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: You can even go whole-hog DVR with something like mythtv. |
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| 18:43.05 | cusco | yes I thought about mythtv in the past.. I even have a spare tv card lying around |
| 18:43.28 | cusco | my problem is I don't want to take much resources |
| 18:43.45 | jhutchins_lt | yoshio: I'm getting sound from accuradio. |
| 18:43.48 | cusco | and since I only have a laptop and that box connected to tv, I thought I could put it to use |
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| 18:43.53 | cusco | thanks again |
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| 18:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Well, what else does the box have to do? What are the specs? |
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| 18:46.15 | thewanderer1 | guys, what do I have to do in order to run GLX graphical apps in a chroot? |
| 18:46.40 | thewanderer1 | I'm going to have all required libs... but what else? |
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| 18:47.22 | diago | jhutchins: of the mediatomb, gmediaserver, rygel which do you prefer? |
| 18:47.49 | diago | I'm running Firefly ATM but I think it's dying |
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| 18:49.03 | diago | jhutchins_lt: ^^ |
| 18:49.04 | diago | sorry |
| 18:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | diago: I ran mediatomb for a while, but trying to get the transcoding working for a DirecTV DVR eventually made me give up. |
| 18:49.41 | jhutchins_lt | diago: Haven't tried the other two, or firefly. |
| 18:49.52 | diago | I thought people were bypassing that with component cables and capture |
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| 18:51.10 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: i recommend minidlna ... |
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| 18:51.34 | cusco | another question... |
| 18:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Wow, yesterday all I knew of was mediatomb. |
| 18:51.48 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 18:52.23 | cusco | I think I need to create a chroot to test out applications, to install dev packates etc, but I don't wan't to bloat my system |
| 18:52.28 | echoprinter | If installing gcc which is the best version to install? gcc-4.1 or gcc-4.3? |
| 18:52.32 | cusco | a chroot is ised for these cases, right? |
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| 18:54.25 | stew | echoprinter: why not just "gcc"? or just the "build-essential" pacakge which includes the default gcc and other stuff you'll probably want like make |
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| 18:55.09 | Arrowmaster | cusco: yeah i dont want to load my system up with dev packages either so i use pbuilder for compiling and that uses a chroot |
| 18:55.15 | atula | I have an external hard drive that changes device names after each reboot... it's somewhat random... but because it changes its name, entry in fstab would stop the boot process until I resolved that "fail mounting" error. Is there a way aI can fix this: |
| 18:55.34 | atula | 1) make sure external hard drive device name stays the same 2) make it not stop on mounting error |
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| 18:55.41 | cusco | how do I configure a chroot to have a base install or so? :/ |
| 18:55.57 | Arrowmaster | atula: change the entry in fstab to use UUID= or LABEL= |
| 18:56.05 | diago | dutchfish: it's an active project? |
| 18:56.16 | dutchfish | diago: yep |
| 18:56.23 | atula | Arrowmaster: thank you. lemme go read more about UUID and LABEL |
| 18:56.39 | diago | lol, they could use some help on the web end |
| 18:56.45 | Arrowmaster | atula: the top of fstab should have a comment about UUID |
| 18:56.48 | echoprinter | stew: So the "build-essential" package will give me gcc *and* more of what I might need? |
| 18:57.45 | dutchfish | diago: i don't care about there webpage, i go by the source Luke .... |
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| 18:58.56 | stew | echoprinter: yes |
| 18:59.16 | atula | Arrowmaster: UUID and LABEL don't change on a disk ever right? (unless you make that change manually of course) |
| 18:59.16 | stew | echoprinter: ("apt-cache show build-essential" and look at the "Depends:" line) |
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| 18:59.47 | Arrowmaster | atula: right |
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| 19:00.21 | echoprinter | stew: Thanks again. |
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| 19:03.32 | atula | Arrowmaster: Thank you so much. I think this helps a whole lot. |
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| 19:05.31 | cromag | " Like the previous sessions, this lesson will take place on #debian-women on ic.debian.org, at 19:00 UTC on Thursday 9th December. " <- ic.debian.org should that be irc.debian.org ? from http://news.debian.net/2010/12/08/training-session-how-to-use-the-bug-tracking-system/ |
| 19:06.26 | cromag | or is it for identi.ca ? |
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| 19:08.35 | zophy | is the mono-complete package broken ? |
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| 19:11.40 | dutchfish | zophy: not on my side (squeeze/x86_64) http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mono.html |
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| 19:15.22 | zophy | can i still use lenny in my sources.lst or should i use stable ? |
| 19:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | zophy: You should use lenny, |
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| 19:16.09 | dutchfish | zophy: use always the distro name ie lenny, to not hit by an accidental dist-upgrade |
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| 19:17.31 | zophy | mono-complete wants version 2 mono packages and complains about 1.9 version packages that are going to be installed |
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| 19:17.39 | zophy | eh |
| 19:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions awffull |
| 19:17.40 | judd | Package awffull on i386 -- etch: 3.7.1-1; lenny: 3.8.2-1.1; sid: 3.8.2-1.3; squeeze: 3.8.2-1.3 |
| 19:18.23 | jhutchins_lt | Aargh. 3.10.2 has been out for two years now. |
| 19:18.31 | zophy | ,versions mono-complete |
| 19:18.33 | judd | Package mono-complete on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-3; squeeze: 2.6.7-3 |
| 19:18.56 | dutchfish | zophy: for lenny backports http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mono-complete |
| 19:19.30 | zophy | i shouldn |
| 19:19.46 | zophy | i shouldn't need backports |
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| 19:19.56 | stew | zophy: mono-complete isnt' in lenny |
| 19:20.04 | zophy | hmm |
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| 19:21.32 | zophy | apt-cache search mono-complete |
| 19:21.33 | alkisg_debian | My X server is ran with -nolisten, yet `ssh -X` works fine! How can I do the same with some other program, e.g. socat? The goal is to avoid the ssh encryption, for CPU/speed reasons. |
| 19:21.45 | stew | zophy: looks like the mono-complete package wasn't aded until 2.4, lenny currently has 1.9.1 |
| 19:21.45 | dutchfish | zophy: have you maybe old stuff around from etch? |
| 19:22.03 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: -nolisten just prevents the X server from listening (itself) on TCP |
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| 19:22.26 | zophy | dutchfish, pollution is very possible |
| 19:22.31 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: with ssh -X, the ssh binary is the X client, not the remote X client. It's using a UNIX socket, hence nolisten being irrelevant. |
| 19:22.35 | stew | zophy: show us the output of "apt-cache policy mono-complete" |
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| 19:23.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,maint awffull |
| 19:23.09 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: if you just want unencrypted X11 across the network, run X *without* nolisten, then set your DISPLAY variable correctly on the remote host. |
| 19:23.09 | judd | Package awffull version 3.8.2-1.3 was uploaded by Christian Perrier on 2009-10-08, last changed by Christian Perrier and maintained by Jose Carlos Medeiros. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 19:23.22 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: that said, the overhead from ssh encryption is trivial. It's so tiny it's barely measurable. |
| 19:23.29 | dutchfish | zophy: use aptitude (in interactive mode to find out about dependecies and obselete stuff) |
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| 19:24.13 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: thank you for all the explanation. Unfortunately watching e.g. a video over ssh maxes out the cpu and I get more than 50% dropped frames. |
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| 19:24.24 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: video will never work well over the network |
| 19:24.41 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: video playback on your local host typically uses Xv or OpenGL to accelerate video |
| 19:24.51 | zophy | stew, http://pastebin.com/QphcuTAq |
| 19:24.55 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: over the network, it has to use raw X11 calls, which is slower than shit |
| 19:25.04 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: without -nolisten I can watch movies fine, XV works over the network |
| 19:25.21 | stew | zophy: yes, so you are using the version from backports. you have trouble installing that? |
| 19:25.49 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: is there any way to write a script/app to do what ssh -X does, so that it works on a default X server without removing -nolisten? |
| 19:26.00 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: ....not really. |
| 19:26.10 | alkisg_debian | Ugh :( |
| 19:26.17 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: ssh is almost certainly not your problem, and I don't think xv works over the network. |
| 19:26.39 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: you could probably persuade rsh or nc or socat with some scripting, but it would be a waste of time/effort |
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| 19:27.39 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: to put it another way: if xv works over the network, xv is gonna work over ssh |
| 19:27.47 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: but xv doesn't... and video over the network just blows |
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| 19:28.07 | pipeline | alkisg_debian: have you tried ssh -C -X ? it won't help much but it should help a little by compressing that video stream |
| 19:28.16 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: I've been using LTSP for years, it runs X without -nolisten and xv works fine there, I even have the formula for the bandwidth calculation and all |
| 19:28.57 | pipeline | if you say so |
| 19:29.14 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: e.g. for watching a 640x400 divx video the formula is 640x480x12xfps |
| 19:29.20 | alkisg_debian | 12 == the YUV bits |
| 19:29.25 | alkisg_debian | That is about 50mbps |
| 19:29.40 | alkisg_debian | So on a normal 100mbps network you can watch a full screen video with no dropped frames |
| 19:29.44 | pipeline | 50 mbps + X11 overhead |
| 19:29.47 | alkisg_debian | (scaling is done on the client) |
| 19:29.52 | alkisg_debian | Right, that's only a little |
| 19:30.06 | alkisg_debian | I've been using that for years, I'm sure about my benchmarks |
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| 19:30.13 | pipeline | ...if scaling is done on the client that means that you're sending full screen video through the wire |
| 19:30.17 | alkisg_debian | (as I'm actually broadcasting movies to my students) |
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| 19:30.28 | pipeline | christ that's an overcomplicated solution |
| 19:30.33 | pipeline | just stream the compressed video |
| 19:30.37 | pipeline | and let the individual stations handle playback |
| 19:30.52 | alkisg_debian | XV == the video is sent at 640x400, the client may then watch it at 1920x1080, the scaling is done on the client |
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| 19:31.19 | alkisg_debian | The clients are just using remote X, the video is just an example |
| 19:31.47 | alkisg_debian | So anyway about that nc/socat method, I'd like to try that if you have some pointers |
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| 19:32.04 | alkisg_debian | Am I to forward the unix socket over the network to remote port 600x? |
| 19:33.43 | alkisg_debian | (compressing 50mbps of data x 10 students == clients unfortunately needs more than a quad core cpu :(): |
| 19:33.51 | alkisg_debian | *encrypting |
| 19:34.25 | pipeline | ... |
| 19:34.27 | pipeline | no no it doesn't |
| 19:34.42 | pipeline | I could do SSH at 40 mbps on a pentium 100. |
| 19:34.56 | pipeline | a quad core CPU is a lot more powerful than 10 pentium 100s. |
| 19:35.08 | alkisg_debian | Maybe the encryption has scaled up since then |
| 19:35.15 | pipeline | it hasn't, because "then" is "now" |
| 19:35.27 | alkisg_debian | Well I can only testify that it does |
| 19:35.35 | pipeline | I'm not going to help you with the problem of scripting around remote X11 |
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| 19:35.37 | pipeline | because it's an idiot problem |
| 19:35.40 | pipeline | you have done this backwards |
| 19:35.47 | pipeline | I'm happy to help you with your problematic design |
| 19:35.51 | pipeline | but not the problems that arise from it |
| 19:36.02 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: sure, I'm all ears, as long as it work |
| 19:36.03 | alkisg_debian | s |
| 19:36.04 | pipeline | why are you using remote X11 to stream video ? |
| 19:36.08 | pipeline | what are you actually trying to accomplish ? |
| 19:36.33 | alkisg_debian | To serve 10 remote X desktops from a server |
| 19:37.08 | pipeline | Use XDMCP on the server, configure the clients to talk to the XDMCP host. Problem solved. No SSH involved. |
| 19:38.37 | alkisg_debian | Well it's difficult to describe all the parameters in a few lines... With XDMCP I can't have a local session and run only a few windows on the server |
| 19:38.58 | pipeline | your parameters sound stupider with each passing minute |
| 19:39.05 | pipeline | to have a local session |
| 19:39.07 | pipeline | and only a few windows |
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| 19:39.12 | pipeline | and avoid crazy rerouting of traffic |
| 19:39.17 | pipeline | you have to take off -nolisten |
| 19:39.23 | pipeline | and allow unencrypted X11 |
| 19:39.32 | alkisg_debian | pipeline: I think I'll waste your time if I try to explain all the LTSP localapps/remoteapps and other parameters in a few lines |
| 19:39.40 | pipeline | don't dick around with rsh/ssh/blah redirection if you want to do stupid things |
| 19:40.05 | pipeline | I'm glad to hear that LTSP has adopted halfassed imitations of Citrix jargon that wasn't helpful in the first place :P |
| 19:40.05 | alkisg_debian | So I think it'd be better if I just thanked you for your help so far and tried to do the ssh -X equivalent myself. |
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| 19:44.36 | nullie | Hello. How can I make mysql start at runlevel 3? |
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| 19:45.05 | alkisg_debian | To remove -nolisten so that my X server accepts tcp connections, do I need to edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ? |
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| 19:45.36 | dutchfish | nullie: debian has ni 'destinct' runlevel 3 |
| 19:45.40 | alkisg_debian | (squeeze/lxde, if it makes a difference) |
| 19:45.41 | dutchfish | s/ni/no |
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| 19:46.42 | dutchfish | nullie: to be more precise, 2-5 is all the same |
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| 19:48.07 | nullie | dutchfish, well, but changing runlevels worked for lighttpd, it starts when I go into runlevel 3 and stop when I go to 2 |
| 19:48.23 | dutchfish | nullie: delve into dependecy based booting |
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| 19:49.35 | dutchfish | nullie: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
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| 19:52.30 | dutchfish | nullie: i know this is all quiet new, but if you mess with init based sequences, you will get cought on the next dist-upgrade |
| 19:52.54 | bolt | xlock* isn't in debian? |
| 19:52.57 | bolt | can't find it |
| 19:53.29 | nullie | dutchfish, it's not production, I just want to start web development stuff at higher runlevel |
| 19:53.36 | nullie | it's my notebook actually |
| 19:53.56 | stew | bolt: xlockmore: /usr/bin/xlock (according to apt-file search) |
| 19:54.06 | dutchfish | nullie: well, the the default runlevels for starting any lamp will do in stable for now |
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| 19:54.33 | bolt | stew: so i thought... but this says otherwise.http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xlockmore and so does my squeeze install |
| 19:54.49 | dutchfish | nullie: you can of course manually/scriptomatically start and stop services |
| 19:55.02 | nullie | dutchfish, I don't want them on default runlevel |
| 19:55.20 | nullie | concept of runlevels fits quite nicely for this |
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| 19:55.43 | _Dave123_ | Does there exist something like SDNS ? so I can add a primary DNS server and it doesn't go to my router but to some domain and transmits it encrypted? |
| 19:55.57 | nullie | it's probably upstart which doesn't allow me to do that |
| 19:56.07 | groton | anyone know how to resolve this issue? http://nopaste.info/69490a36c0.html Basically, i do not have sound, although no error is reported |
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| 19:56.34 | nullie | dutchfish, sorry, I should've been asking in ubuntu |
| 19:56.40 | dutchfish | nullie: i beleive on lenny you could use rcconf |
| 19:57.12 | stew | bolt: yes, it has 2 RC security bugs filed against it which is why it was removed and it styas out |
| 19:57.32 | dutchfish | nullie: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rcconf |
| 19:58.29 | dutchfish | nullie: and http://packages.debian.org/lenny/sysv-rc |
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| 19:59.12 | bolt | stew: ah. i like that :) |
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| 19:59.18 | bolt | stew: i'll wait for it |
| 19:59.21 | bolt | stew: thanks |
| 19:59.37 | stew | bolt: you might wait for years |
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| 19:59.57 | astrostl | what apt repos should i use for adding packages to etch/4.0 (yes, i know...) |
| 20:00.10 | bolt | stew: hm.. perhaps xscreensaver can do what i want, then. |
| 20:00.22 | bolt | stew: seems it has a lock too |
| 20:00.26 | astrostl | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ ? |
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| 20:01.08 | dutchfish | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 20:02.21 | astrostl | thx |
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| 20:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if somebody who's already set up for it would do a uupdate for me. |
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| 20:08.28 | stew | anyone know how I can mount a cifs filesystem that has a space in the name from fstab? |
| 20:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | I need a current copy of awffull for lenny. |
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| 20:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I take it quotes and escapes aren't working? |
| 20:09.06 | alkisg | (it turns out that "-nolisten tcp" was added from /etc/default/nodm) |
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| 20:09.16 | stew | it works from the command line, but I can't figure out how I might have a space in a device name in fstab |
| 20:09.24 | stew | jhutchins_lt: neither '\ ' nor quotes |
| 20:09.46 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Tried all the different quotes? Re-share it without the spaces. |
| 20:10.24 | stew | i only have ssh access as a non-privileged user to the machine doing the sharing |
| 20:11.14 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You could do a mount command from rc.local. |
| 20:11.18 | poisonbit | stew, a quick google says to use \040 instead of space |
| 20:11.32 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: Excellent@! |
| 20:11.41 | yoshio | poisonbit: fstab man page says that also |
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| 20:12.22 | stew | doh, i missed it in fstab, because its documented for the second field and I'm looking at the first :) |
| 20:12.33 | stew | poisonbit: thanks :) |
| 20:12.42 | poisonbit | n.p. |
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| 20:16.48 | gentgeen__ | I know that "dpkg --get-selections" will give me a list of software .. but can I get the same list along with the version number? |
| 20:17.29 | abrotman | gentgeen__: dpkg -l | egrep '^[hi]i' ? |
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| 20:18.39 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, thanks |
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| 20:18.46 | HackeMate | hello nice people |
| 20:18.56 | stew | gentgeen__: aptitude search -F%p%V '~i' |
| 20:19.04 | HackeMate | I want to share my movies with the ps3, what streaming server i could use? |
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| 20:22.19 | diago | lol HackeMate, we just had a discussion on that |
| 20:22.25 | diago | your too late! |
| 20:22.38 | HackeMate | damn |
| 20:22.44 | diago | mediatomb was one |
| 20:22.44 | pallgone | wow, now I found a cool channel, they almost only talk off-topic. and no op is coming to silence anyone, like here for example |
| 20:22.45 | HackeMate | i'll read the buffer |
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| 20:22.49 | HackeMate | i hope i still have it |
| 20:22.55 | HackeMate | mediatomb, i take noe |
| 20:22.57 | HackeMate | note, thanks |
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| 20:24.05 | \ottizen | hi, I have like no space left on my debian box, even though I have removed all files I don't need. |
| 20:24.19 | \ottizen | are there any system files/temp. files/whatever I can remove safely and if yes, which? |
| 20:24.23 | \ottizen | and how? |
| 20:24.27 | diago | ah, HackeMate minidlna was the other |
| 20:24.48 | HackeMate | \ottizen: I could try apt-get clean, it removes all your deb files you had installed |
| 20:25.00 | HackeMate | diago: who was the winner? |
| 20:25.04 | HackeMate | im trying mediatomb |
| 20:25.11 | poisonbit | \ottizen, there is localepurge also, but you may need space to install it :) |
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| 20:25.33 | diago | No winner, one of those try before you buy |
| 20:25.45 | \ottizen | poisonbit: I'll try that, thanks |
| 20:25.47 | \ottizen | HackeMate: done |
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| 20:26.31 | HackeMate | damn, I forget i have this problem http://pastebin.com/nb8TkCdN |
| 20:26.41 | HackeMate | is because NX, i tried to remove them but i cant |
| 20:26.58 | HackeMate | NX says the solution in some forum but i dont know what file i should modify |
| 20:27.04 | HackeMate | is the LSB header of initscript |
| 20:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: There is a ps3mediaserver project. |
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| 20:28.47 | \ottizen | anything more I can do? |
| 20:28.50 | HackeMate | jhutchins_lt: right, I'm downloading the tgz |
| 20:28.53 | HackeMate | thanks too |
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| 20:29.15 | HackeMate | \ottizen: remove packages you dont use |
| 20:29.31 | \ottizen | how do I get a list of all installed packages? |
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| 20:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | My problem with mediatomb was that people seemed to have gotten about halfway through getting the transcoding set up for the DirecTV DVR (my client) and just given up - which is what I did. |
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| 20:31.19 | HackeMate | ahm |
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| 20:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | \ottizen: dpkg -l |
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| 20:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | \ottizen: Have you checked to make sure something's rotating your logs? |
| 20:33.14 | \ottizen | uh |
| 20:33.15 | \ottizen | no |
| 20:33.16 | \ottizen | thanks! |
| 20:33.18 | \ottizen | good idea |
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| 20:35.09 | KB1JWQ | \ottizen: You do NOT want to just delete them. |
| 20:35.21 | KB1JWQ | That way leads to stale file handles. |
| 20:35.38 | \ottizen | I removed my apache logs |
| 20:35.42 | \ottizen | or, downloaded and removed |
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| 20:36.01 | KB1JWQ | \ottizen: via rm? |
| 20:36.09 | KB1JWQ | In the future ">filename" works better. |
| 20:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | KB1JWQ: Only for killing a current log. |
| 20:37.00 | KB1JWQ | jhutchins_lt: True, but if nothing's doing log rotation... :-) |
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| 20:37.06 | \ottizen | KB1JWQ: downloaded it to my local laggtop via sftp |
| 20:37.09 | \ottizen | them* |
| 20:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | \ottizen: What's causing the server to fill up? |
| 20:37.44 | \ottizen | no idea |
| 20:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | du |
| 20:37.51 | \ottizen | the hdd is on only 18 GB |
| 20:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | Find out where it's filling up. |
| 20:37.59 | \ottizen | I should buy a new one |
| 20:38.21 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, given that 500Gb is about $40 these days... |
| 20:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | Even server-grade drives. |
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| 20:39.45 | \ottizen | how do I prevent non-root from "ls"-ing in /home? |
| 20:39.54 | \ottizen | might not be debian related, but as everbody tend to be here... |
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| 20:42.22 | Arrowmaster | \ottizen: chmod o-r /home |
| 20:42.33 | Arrowmaster | you need to leave it o+x though |
| 20:43.02 | \ottizen | this network keeps on surprising me |
| 20:43.03 | \ottizen | Arrowmaster: thank you! |
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| 20:43.20 | ragnar_de | hi all |
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| 20:45.30 | ragnar_de | i've updated my computer to a faster cpu and 6 gb memory. currently i'm running squeeze, 32 bit. is it possible to updrage to 64 bit without a new install? |
| 20:46.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:46.25 | CissWit | ragnar_de: try to use a bigmem kernel instead |
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| 20:47.15 | ragnar_de | ok, i'll try |
| 20:47.18 | CissWit | you won't have to deal with going from 32 to 64bits, but you will have your 6Gb working |
| 20:47.34 | stew | ragnar_de: wait, what cpu do you have? |
| 20:47.48 | stew | ragnar_de: if you have a 64 bit cpu, you don't want a bigmem kernel, you want an amd64 kernel |
| 20:48.07 | pipeline | I wouldn't be so sure of that |
| 20:48.14 | ragnar_de | Stew: it's an intel core2duo |
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| 20:48.18 | pipeline | multi-arch support for 64 kernel, 32 userspace is still pretty terrible |
| 20:48.28 | pipeline | having bigmem + 32 bit userspace is still the way to go for your desktop |
| 20:48.33 | dukebody | Is there any way to get python-profiler for python2.4 in debian squeeze? |
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| 20:49.30 | stew | pipeline: what do you mean by "multi-arch support"? |
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| 20:49.46 | stew | ragnar_de: what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 20:49.51 | pipeline | stew: having 64 and 32 bit packages mixed in the system and not havign it be a huge pain in the ass |
| 20:50.14 | pipeline | ragnar_de: bigmem w/ 32 bit userspace is a big win for your desktop. Just too many issues in 64 bit |
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| 20:50.29 | stew | pipeline: which 64 bit packages would he have? |
| 20:50.36 | subsume | If I've got a bash script which accepts a string, how could I make the output of a file pass to that script? |
| 20:50.41 | pipeline | stew: a 64 bit kernel and a 32 bit userspace |
| 20:50.54 | pipeline | stew: which was a configuration with which I experimented. Turned out to be too much of a pain in my ass to be wort hit. |
| 20:50.56 | ragnar_de | stew: primary home use. office, internet, watching videos, listen mp3, coding html ( incl. a small apache 2/php server to test ) |
| 20:51.00 | stew | pipeline: which are both i386 packages |
| 20:51.04 | stew | pipeline: what problems did you have? |
| 20:51.15 | pipeline | stew: building my proprietary kernel modules sucked |
| 20:51.51 | pipeline | stew: I initially had the i386 package for a 64 bit kernel, but getting the i386 packages for the 64b tool chain to play nice sucked. By the end of things, I had a 64 bit chroot I never used except to build kernel modules blah blah gave up after a year or so. |
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| 20:52.24 | stew | sure, for compiling out of tree kenrel modules, I could see there being problems |
| 20:52.47 | stew | ragnar_de: do you use out of tree kernel modules? |
| 20:54.24 | ragnar_de | stew: all i have is working very well with kernel modules. usb dvd/hdd, gamepad, usb dvb-t , mouse, keyboard |
| 20:55.26 | ragnar_de | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem sounds good for me. for you? |
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| 20:55.36 | pianist | Hello |
| 20:55.39 | pianist | How are you |
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| 20:55.47 | pianist | I want to learn how to compile, remastering, packaging for certain packages arquitecutra either 32-bit, 64 bit with a Kernell ........ I can help and I read the debian developer page excellent organization. but the technical part where you are? |
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| 20:56.35 | pianist | can you help me? |
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| 20:57.24 | tik-tak | hello! |
| 20:57.35 | pipeline | pianist: try #debian-es, #debian-br. |
| 20:57.35 | tik-tak | i want to install the libvorbis0 on my debbian 6 |
| 20:57.43 | tik-tak | not ''libvorbis0a'' |
| 20:57.47 | tik-tak | but libvorbis0!. |
| 20:58.03 | tik-tak | becouse i want to use clipgrab that depets to this program |
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| 20:58.17 | tik-tak | but i cant see thes program in my repo. |
| 20:58.20 | abrotman | is clipgrab in Squeeze? |
| 20:58.33 | tik-tak | no. |
| 20:58.41 | ragnar_de | no |
| 20:58.46 | tik-tak | but in the site is a pre-compilt vizion. |
| 20:58.58 | abrotman | tik-tak: that must be pretty old .. you would do better to ask the clipgrab author to fix his broken package |
| 20:58.59 | pianist | debian-es on irc and ask, is not give me answer about that? |
| 20:59.19 | tik-tak | http://clipgrab.de/download_en.html |
| 20:59.50 | tik-tak | it work but it cant generate mp3, becouse it depent to this package. |
| 21:00.14 | tik-tak | well, i dont know if is old, but i want to work good :) |
| 21:00.19 | Arrowmaster | so it installs without the libvorbis0 package? |
| 21:00.43 | tik-tak | i have not installed with a deb. |
| 21:00.49 | tik-tak | just open the program |
| 21:00.55 | ragnar_de | stew: ? still here ? :o) |
| 21:01.18 | tik-tak | is an exutaple file. |
| 21:01.20 | tik-tak | its a Precompiled Version progam |
| 21:01.56 | tik-tak | but i olso try to install ubuntu-deb package but it said that depent to the ''libvorbis0'' |
| 21:02.06 | tik-tak | so its not libvorbis0a, but libvorbis0. |
| 21:02.26 | tik-tak | but i have only libvorbis0a :( |
| 21:03.27 | jelly-home | tik-tak: don't install binary package from other distros, that way lies pain |
| 21:03.35 | jelly-home | packages* |
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| 21:03.57 | tik-tak | no, i was just want to lern in what depents. |
| 21:04.06 | tik-tak | learn* |
| 21:04.44 | tik-tak | no, debian package is exist. but this is not a problem, it depents just in this ''libvorbis0''. how i can fine that? |
| 21:04.59 | tik-tak | i mean debian package is not exist*** |
| 21:05.02 | ragnar_de | stew: i install these packages ( linux-image/modules/headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem ), test them and report then later. |
| 21:05.43 | tik-tak | fix* |
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| 21:06.28 | hippytaff | I've read the debian manual -most of - and googled but can find nothing about dual booting squeeze with ubuntu (meverick)...worried about grub legacy and grub2 |
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| 21:07.36 | CissWit | hippytaff: what do you worry about ? |
| 21:07.42 | CissWit | i can't understand. |
| 21:07.53 | tik-tak | hippytaff: you want to install grub? |
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| 21:08.29 | ragnar_de | hi again |
| 21:08.34 | hippytaff | CissWitt: having to fix grub2 after debian installs grub legacy in mbr |
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| 21:08.51 | ragnar_de | so, far. all is working good and memory is fully set |
| 21:08.59 | tik-tak | you want to reinstall grub bootloader? |
| 21:09.06 | CissWit | hippytaff: you can choose not to install any boot loader on debian installation |
| 21:09.36 | CissWit | this way, you just boot your ubuntu when debian install is done, and you reconfigure grub, it should auto detect thed ebian isntallation |
| 21:09.37 | jelly-home | hippytaff: you will have one boot loader in MBR, from one of the distros. Preferably one that can find and list all the OSes installed, like grub2 with os-prober. |
| 21:09.41 | tik-tak | so, how i can install libvorbis0 ??? |
| 21:09.50 | ragnar_de | ok, i cannot move any window in gnome?!? |
| 21:09.55 | CissWit | hippytaff: but, squeeze install grub 2? not grub legacy |
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| 21:10.00 | hippytaff | CissWitt: thankyou - didn't want to get that far in the installation process to find out |
| 21:10.02 | CissWit | s/?/,/ |
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| 21:10.41 | hippytaff | CissWitt: I've got a Lenny cd, so was just going to upgrade by changing my sources.list |
| 21:10.48 | tik-tak | ragnar_de? you mean that you cant move a window in gnome? what WM you have? compiz with efe? ow the defult? |
| 21:11.26 | tik-tak | or* |
| 21:11.38 | hippytaff | once installed...which I'm bracing myself to do |
| 21:12.24 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: gnome, no compiz default x11 |
| 21:12.41 | CissWit | hippytaff: hum ok. |
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| 21:13.12 | tik-tak | so you have matacity WM. meaby you can fixit with a restart. or you can go to synaptic and install the kwin window manager. |
| 21:13.28 | hippytaff | CiissWitt: couldn't find squeeze on the debian site to dowload it |
| 21:13.31 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: so you have matacity WM. meaby you can fixit with a restart. or you can go to synaptic and install the kwin window manager. |
| 21:13.54 | CissWit | hippytaff: why do you keep adding one letter each time you type my nick ? *_* |
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| 21:14.37 | hippytaff | CisssWittt: typing whilst holding my baby son in the other arm...sorryyy |
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| 21:17.12 | CissWit | i can't find either by the way, but i downloaded one recently :/ |
| 21:17.27 | hippytaff | CissWit: think I got it right this time :-) thankyou for dsmissing my fears...am pretty noobish |
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| 21:17.53 | ragnar_de | back again |
| 21:19.16 | ragnar_de | this is odd.... after killing X with strg+alt+backsp. and relogin i have now compiz running and i can move the windows again. ?:o) |
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| 21:20.52 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: compiz? you have install kwin? or compiz? |
| 21:21.17 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: it looks like. |
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| 21:21.51 | tik-tak | if you have installed kwin you will see that the windows decorations the diferant than before. |
| 21:22.29 | tik-tak | you have to run in the terminal ''kwin --replace'' to start kwin. |
| 21:22.57 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: in the terminal run: kwin --replace (if you have install kwin). |
| 21:22.59 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: nope, natilus, gnome metacity all looks normal. |
| 21:23.27 | tik-tak | if you have install kwin, go to a terminal and run: kwin --replace |
| 21:25.45 | ragnar_de | hmmm.... how do i disable compiz by hand? i dont have enough horse ( gpu ) power to run that. |
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| 21:27.17 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: just tipe ''kwin --replace'' and it will replace compiz with kwin. no compiz will run anymore. |
| 21:27.25 | tik-tak | type* |
| 21:27.47 | tik-tak | type this in the terminal i mean. |
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| 21:30.17 | ragnar_de | dont work :( |
| 21:30.45 | tik-tak | what is the error? the windows decoration is the same? |
| 21:30.52 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: |
| 21:31.23 | ragnar_de | i have no decoration then |
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| 21:31.46 | tik-tak | do you run ''kwin --replace'' in the terminal? |
| 21:32.35 | tik-tak | you have kwin instald on your os? (go to synaptic and tipe kwin). you will see the Kde windows manager, this is what you need, if you dont what to run compiz or metacity. |
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| 21:32.53 | tik-tak | want* |
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| 21:33.33 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: it makes no sense. why sould i use the kde windows manager when i use gnome? |
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| 21:34.41 | tik-tak | becouse you said that your compiz and metacity dont work, so i think kwin it will fix it, in my desktop i run kwin, in gnome or kde. |
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| 21:36.19 | tik-tak | well, you have not tell me yet if you have installed the kwin, type in the terminal as root <<apt-get install kwin>> and then as user type <<kwin>> or <<kwin --replace>>. |
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| 21:37.44 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: i dont have kwin in my repos. only kwin-styles and a kwinlib |
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| 21:37.51 | Number6 | Does anyone know how to install gem files in Lenny? I keep getting "ERROR: could not find gem mechanize locally or in a repository |
| 21:38.17 | ragnar_de | gem files? youre from atari ;o) |
| 21:38.40 | stew | Number6: "aptitude install libwww-mechanize-ruby" ? |
| 21:38.48 | tik-tak | sorry you need to type this as root: apt-get install kde-window-manager |
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| 21:39.18 | boairc | just had a power failure and can't run rtorrent |
| 21:39.18 | stew | ragnar_de: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 21:39.20 | boairc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.25 | tik-tak | and then as user type: kwin if this not work type: kwin --replace |
| 21:39.41 | Number6 | stew: Thanks a million. Any idea about json? |
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| 21:40.13 | stew | Number6: libjson-ruby (run "apt-cache search ruby json") |
| 21:40.17 | nsadmin | in the past I've noticed a behavior in ps | grep where it would show the grep process... lately, that hasn't been the case... any idea why? |
| 21:41.12 | Number6 | stew: thanks |
| 21:41.16 | ragnar_de | stew: somthings wrong here. after installing the bigmem kernel, i could not move any window. after restarting X, i have compiz running but my small computer has not enough power to run that. tik-tak suggest me to replace compiz with kwin. |
| 21:41.19 | stew | nsadmin: its a race condition, sometimes grep has started by the time ps gets a process list, sometimes it hasn't yet started |
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| 21:41.57 | nsadmin | so it might be the case that ps has run to completion first |
| 21:42.17 | nsadmin | no that doesn't make sense |
| 21:42.20 | stew | nsadmin: at least far enough that it already has a list of processes that it is sorting and formatting output already |
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| 21:42.37 | boairc | nvermind |
| 21:42.40 | boairc | made it work |
| 21:42.58 | tik-tak | kwin is have effect by defuld but you can disable eazy. |
| 21:43.21 | boairc | is the an official way to install the proper PHP GD2 library in debian. the one that comes by default is very old |
| 21:43.26 | stew | ragnar_de: what video card do you have? |
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| 21:44.27 | ragnar_de | stew: intel 945gm and a 2,5 ghz cpu. system load is at 20 - 30% while moving a window |
| 21:44.49 | stew | boairc: aptitude install php5-gd |
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| 21:45.12 | stew | i'd not expect that to be underpowered for compiz, but I don't know I've never tried |
| 21:45.16 | cafaro | [Not sure if this is a #grub Q or not] I want to change my grub splash screen, I changed /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme accordingly, and did update-grub, but the "Found background image: xxx.png" doesn't change accordingly... Am I editing the right file, or doing something else wrong? |
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| 21:46.23 | Number6 | stew: Can I just run $gem install json, or is that implied with the apt-get? |
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| 21:46.52 | tik-tak | regnar_de: when you restart the grub may have an opsion to boot with previeus kernel. |
| 21:47.23 | tik-tak | do you have try to disable compiz and replace it to metacity? |
| 21:47.58 | ragnar_de | stew: normally not but i have a small barebone ( http://www.ixtenso.com/portal/de/product/2851 ) which has about 80% of normal power |
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| 21:48.15 | ragnar_de | stew: did not try |
| 21:48.26 | stew | Number6: it is not implied with apt-get. apt-get is getting the version built by debian. the downside of using gem install is that your package manager won't you did. so if you install some package from debian that depednds on libjson-ruby, it will still install it from apt |
| 21:48.32 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: did not try. sorry stew |
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| 21:49.48 | Number6 | stew: I don't worry about that, the problem I'm facing seems to be that rubygems doesn't want to install json or mechanise |
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| 21:55.10 | sobersabre | hi, I'm wondering how /sbin/init knows if to start supervise (from daemontools) |
| 21:55.13 | HackeMate | jhutchins_lt: right, I'm downloading the tgz |
| 21:55.21 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: type in the termilal '' su '' to become root, then type: |
| 21:55.29 | tik-tak | apt-get install kde-window-manager |
| 21:55.32 | tik-tak | exit |
| 21:55.37 | tik-tak | kwin --replace |
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| 21:56.26 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: if kwin --replace dont work try to type just '' kwin ''. |
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| 21:56.56 | Deathvalley122 | can anyone explain to me why I am forced to use a disc to installing something on Lenny? |
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| 21:57.21 | tik-tak | Deathvalley122, you dont have to do that, you can desable it. |
| 21:57.31 | ragnar_de | ok, and how can i switch back to metacity now? |
| 21:57.32 | Deathvalley122 | where? |
| 21:57.39 | stew | Deathvalley122: "/msg dpkg lenny sources.list" get rid of the cd lines |
| 21:57.40 | Deathvalley122 | it's all gnu btw |
| 21:57.44 | voxel | hullo. trying to install debian lenny from USB drive. kernel successfully boots from drive and enumerates drive partitions, but then I can't seem to mount the drive to continue installation. any advice? |
| 21:57.48 | stew | Deathvalley122: what is all gnu? |
| 21:57.51 | boairc | any good guide/tutorial to get me up to speed with compiling from source? I need to compile latest version of PHP GD2 |
| 21:58.01 | tik-tak | ragnar_de: it works? you can move the window? |
| 21:58.08 | Deathvalley122 | I didn't install a desktop for it |
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| 21:58.16 | Deathvalley122 | it's all commandline |
| 21:58.18 | ragnar_de | tik-tak: yes |
| 21:58.21 | stew | voxel: did you setup the USB drive according to the instructions in the installation guide |
| 21:58.39 | HackeMate | please I beg help with this http://pastebin.com/yf6T8kkQ |
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| 21:58.44 | HackeMate | i cant remove or add any package |
| 21:58.46 | tik-tak | ok, if you want to go back to metacity, just restart, i dont know any eazyer way. |
| 21:58.48 | HackeMate | and i dont know how to fix it |
| 21:59.08 | voxel | stew: i believe so. followed the instructions twice |
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| 21:59.16 | tik-tak | Deathvalley122: type in terminal: '' su '' to becoume root |
| 21:59.36 | stew | voxel: you copied an .iso onto the drive, right? |
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| 21:59.45 | tik-tak | Deathvalley122: and then type ''nano /etc/apt/sources.list '' |
| 21:59.53 | Deathvalley122 | /msg dpkg lenny sources.list" get rid of the cd lines <----that won't work for me kvirc complains about it |
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| 22:00.01 | voxel | stew: i copied the _contents_ of the iso onto the drive. |
| 22:00.07 | stew | dpkg: lenny sources.list |
| 22:00.07 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:00.18 | stew | voxel: no, you should copy the .iso itself |
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| 22:00.43 | tik-tak | Deathvalley122: and then put a ''#' on the start of the line that says cd-rom, or somethink like that. then type control&x and type '''y'' and enter. |
| 22:00.51 | voxel | stew: okay, I'll try that. the installer with automagically find it and use it as an install source? |
| 22:01.01 | voxel | with^will |
| 22:01.04 | stew | voxel: yes, as long as you didn't change the name |
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| 22:01.50 | Deathvalley122 | thanks stew |
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| 22:03.22 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:03.24 | Agiofws | i am getting anoying issues in boot up log message such as ... |
| 22:03.32 | Agiofws | worf udevd[425]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules:4 |
| 22:03.32 | Agiofws | does anyone know what i should do ? |
| 22:03.38 | Agiofws | i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze |
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| 22:04.24 | xiamx | Two questions Does shrinking partition change its uuid? and what is the type file filesystem that works well in both windows and linux (ntfs seems to have a high cpu usage in linux) |
| 22:04.27 | stew | Agiofws: what version of openocd is installed? |
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| 22:05.15 | yagoo | xiamx, fat32 does.. but greatest filesize you can store on fat32 is 4 gigs |
| 22:05.33 | yoshio | HackeMate, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot -- your nxserver and nxsensor packages don't have the LSB headers, once you fix that, type dpkg-reconfigure insserv. don't know about the other errors |
| 22:05.46 | xiamx | yagoo, other than fat32? |
| 22:05.48 | Agiofws | stew, that was just an example .. because i cant Catch the true messages i cant find them in dmesg .. they scroll up too fast in boot up messages ... is there a way to regenerate this ? |
| 22:06.06 | HackeMate | yoshio: I found that webpage few days ago but i dont know where i need change that |
| 22:06.09 | HackeMate | what file? |
| 22:06.25 | yagoo | xiamx, i believe there's another one but i forget it's name |
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| 22:07.12 | paulo | hi people |
| 22:07.58 | stew | Agiofws: yes |
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| 22:08.45 | xiamx | Is Ext3 well supported in this case? |
| 22:09.21 | yoshio | HackeMate, also look at the headers on /etc/init.d/rc.local - did you modify the header on this? Provides: rc.local \ Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog $all \ Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
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| 22:09.46 | tik-tak | Agiofws: its your system working? you can to your job with this pc? |
| 22:10.04 | yagoo | xiamx, ? ext2/3 is safe for read-only.. don't be surprised to get a bsod though.. i've never seen one stable.. |
| 22:10.10 | yagoo | lol |
| 22:10.13 | HackeMate | no i didn't change anything, im editing the rc.local file now |
| 22:10.32 | tik-tak | i have not try to update lenny to squeeze, am prefer to just install squeeze. |
| 22:10.42 | HackeMate | yoshio: should be default start same as required-start? |
| 22:10.59 | yagoo | xiamx, the best one if you need to reboot and use that same fs is ntfs unfortunately.. but fat32 is the most stable |
| 22:11.14 | stew | HackeMate: since your nx packages didn't come from debian, I'd guess those are the ones that are broken, not rc.local |
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| 22:11.34 | HackeMate | stew: the nx packages are specially for debian lenny |
| 22:11.37 | HackeMate | in squeeze fail |
| 22:11.38 | yagoo | xiamx, stable in sense of speed as what you were mentioning.. but use ntfs-3g not ntfs |
| 22:11.57 | HackeMate | but probably is the nx package itself not the rc.local |
| 22:11.59 | Agiofws | ok back ... |
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| 22:12.00 | HackeMate | so i am lost |
| 22:12.12 | Agiofws | stew, that was just an example .. because i cant Catch the true messages i cant find them in dmesg .. they scroll up too fast in boot up messages ... is there a way to regenerate this ? |
| 22:12.20 | stew | Agiofws: yes |
| 22:12.31 | HackeMate | the only initscripts of nx i found are the nxserver start and stop |
| 22:12.59 | xiamx | yagoo, what's the difference? |
| 22:13.02 | yagoo | HackeMate, if u installed nx from the nomachine site.. i believe they it installs under /usr/local/NX something like this |
| 22:13.10 | stew | HackeMate: it mentions nxsensor as well |
| 22:13.15 | HackeMate | /usr/NX |
| 22:13.30 | HackeMate | stew: right, and i dont find any init script for nxsensor |
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| 22:14.10 | Agiofws | wtf is going on with my connection ... |
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| 22:14.51 | yagoo | xiamx, just use ntfs in your case.. it's very stable |
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| 22:14.56 | Agiofws | stew ? |
| 22:15.08 | stew | Agiofws: i don't know what is going on with your connection |
| 22:15.08 | Agiofws | the messages i get is basically i guess |
| 22:15.15 | xiamx | what I get now is whenever I use ntfs, the IO speed is really slow.. copying files only 25MB/s |
| 22:15.15 | Agiofws | udevd : SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device |
| 22:15.15 | yoshio | HackeMate, /etc/init.d/rc.local: Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
| 22:15.22 | stew | Agiofws: yes, I saw that |
| 22:15.32 | HackeMate | yoshio: that's how it is |
| 22:15.40 | Agiofws | how can i fix those warings in boot up ? |
| 22:15.43 | stew | Agiofws: yes |
| 22:15.44 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:15.53 | stew | Agiofws: what version of openocd is installed? |
| 22:15.54 | lenswipe | debian installer is saying that no root filesystem is defined |
| 22:15.57 | lenswipe | how do i define one? |
| 22:16.03 | yagoo | xiamx, ntfs-3g is faster.. i'm not sure if its the norm.. maybe you'd like to ask #kernel or #ntfs-3g.. |
| 22:16.24 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$whereis opencd |
| 22:16.26 | Agiofws | opencd: |
| 22:16.31 | yagoo | xiamx, i mean norm in sense of it being bundled with the kernel.. |
| 22:16.50 | xiamx | yagoo, k thx |
| 22:16.59 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$dpkg -l openocd |
| 22:16.59 | Agiofws | No packages found matching openocd. |
| 22:16.59 | stew | Agiofws: what does "dpkg -l openocd | tail -1" return? |
| 22:17.00 | yoshio | HackeMate, add a similar header to your /etc/init.d/nx{server,sensor} files, then run dpkg-reconfigure insserv |
| 22:17.04 | yagoo | xiamx, there's probably a package for it.. or at least a wiki to tell the difference about it |
| 22:17.05 | voxel | stew: still having the same problem. installer says it cant find the cd-rom and I can't seem to mount the usb drive for some reason |
| 22:17.07 | lenswipe | guys? |
| 22:17.11 | yagoo | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:17.11 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 22:17.36 | stew | Agiofws: what arch is this? |
| 22:17.38 | HackeMate | yoshio: ah! i understand now |
| 22:17.54 | xiamx | yagoo, is ntfs-3g reliable compare to ntfs? |
| 22:18.10 | Agiofws | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz |
| 22:18.13 | yagoo | xiamx, ntfs-3g is more mature |
| 22:18.16 | babilen | lenswipe: You do this in the partman (partition manager) screen -- just select one partition and go to something like "use for" |
| 22:18.58 | Agiofws | how do we know for sure its openocd and some other udev rules ? |
| 22:19.11 | stew | Agiofws: what does "dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules" return? |
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| 22:19.34 | stew | Agiofws: because the openocd package in squeeze is the one that contains that file |
| 22:19.48 | babilen | lenswipe: Read, for example: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 22:19.59 | Agiofws | dpkg: /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules not found. |
| 22:19.59 | dpkg | Agiofws: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:20.19 | xiamx | yagoo, alright thx |
| 22:20.37 | stew | Agiofws: so remove that file |
| 22:20.43 | stew | Agiofws: i guess |
| 22:20.52 | stew | Agiofws: i don't know how you ended up with this file that no package owns |
| 22:21.03 | HackeMate | yoshio: after modify those files i execute dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc and i have done? |
| 22:21.09 | yoshio | ,file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules |
| 22:21.13 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 22:21.19 | lenswipe | babilen, yeah im not getting a "root filesystem" option |
| 22:21.24 | stew | ,file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules --release squeeze |
| 22:21.27 | judd | /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules in squeeze/i386: openocd: lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules |
| 22:21.31 | HackeMate | I receive this now insserv: script rc.local: service rc.local already provided! |
| 22:21.36 | lenswipe | babilen, ive only got stuff like ext journaling filesystem etc etc |
| 22:22.13 | yoshio | HackeMate, for "service" for the nxserver and nxsensor files, have the service named for those two files |
| 22:22.27 | lenswipe | babilen, i fixed it, its the mountpoint you configure :D |
| 22:22.59 | HackeMate | yoshio: yes i modified both |
| 22:23.01 | Agiofws | stew, how do i remove it if its not there ? |
| 22:23.02 | babilen | lenswipe: exactly :) |
| 22:23.36 | yoshio | HackeMate, does dpkg-reconfigure insserv complain about anything |
| 22:23.52 | HackeMate | nope, it's clean |
| 22:24.09 | stew | Agiofws: its not there? are you sure? |
| 22:24.11 | Agiofws | /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules: ERROR: cannot open `/lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules' (No such file or directory) |
| 22:24.26 | stew | Agiofws: so udev is complaining about a file that doesn't exist? |
| 22:24.56 | Agiofws | i am not sure what file is not there i cant grasp the line it scrolls to fast |
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| 22:25.42 | stew | Agiofws: /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules |
| 22:26.19 | Agiofws | yes there i sno such file there |
| 22:26.21 | stew | < Agiofws> worf udevd[425]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /lib/udev/rules.d/60-openocd.rules:4 |
| 22:26.32 | stew | Agiofws: so udev complains about this file, but it doesn't exist |
| 22:26.36 | Agiofws | thats was an example LINE |
| 22:26.41 | stew | yes |
| 22:26.42 | Agiofws | off the net ... |
| 22:26.45 | stew | what? |
| 22:26.54 | stew | ugh |
| 22:26.58 | Agiofws | i am not sure what file is not there i cant grasp the line it scrolls to fast |
| 22:27.22 | Agiofws | millions lines scrolling to fast merging one on top of the other |
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| 22:27.35 | Agiofws | until it stops |
| 22:27.42 | Agiofws | but generally the message is |
| 22:27.48 | yoshio_ | HackeMate, does dpkg-reconfigure insserv complain about anything |
| 22:27.57 | HackeMate | yoshio: nope, it returns nothing |
| 22:28.05 | Agiofws | SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, |
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| 22:29.18 | Agiofws | is it bad to echo name servers in resolv.conf in sqeeze or is there another policy for this ? |
| 22:29.35 | Agiofws | since i cant browse pages but i can use irc ... |
| 22:29.44 | Agiofws | something is wrong with the dns servers ? |
| 22:30.04 | nsadmin | did you connect to irc by name? |
| 22:30.17 | Agiofws | i don't know ... |
| 22:30.22 | Agiofws | but i can irc ... |
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| 22:30.29 | Agiofws | and i canot browse pages |
| 22:30.36 | Agiofws | whats googles ip ? |
| 22:30.43 | nsadmin | try ping google.com |
| 22:30.48 | yoshio | Agiofws, you have numbers in /etc/resolv.conf, not names, right? |
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| 22:30.59 | lenswipe | babilen, dont spose you can help out with this can you? im trying to install lenny and im getting an error about a bad archive mirror |
| 22:31.00 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ping google.com |
| 22:31.00 | Agiofws | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 22:31.04 | Agiofws | i have |
| 22:31.09 | voxel | Agiofws, google DNS is 8.8.8.8 if you want to try that |
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| 22:31.13 | lenswipe | babilen, its the netinstall(i didnt fancy downloading a million CDs) |
| 22:31.16 | Agiofws | nameserver 195.170.0.1 |
| 22:31.17 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.31 | Agiofws | googles IP |
| 22:31.36 | nsadmin | 74.125.224.17 |
| 22:31.57 | lenswipe | anyone got any input on that? |
| 22:32.10 | lenswipe | "Bad Archive Mirror" when intalling debian netinstall |
| 22:32.18 | babilen | lenswipe: Good thing. It is probably related to the specific mirror you are using. Try choosing a different one. If you are installing on a personal desktop/laptop I would also recommend to install Squeeze and not Lenny. (Squeeze will be the next stable release of Debian) |
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| 22:32.43 | babilen | lenswipe: You can get installation images from:http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:32.55 | nsadmin | well that depends on what he wants |
| 22:33.02 | babilen | sure :) |
| 22:33.19 | nsadmin | just because most people say "gimme newer" doesn't mean he does :) |
| 22:35.24 | Agiofws | can anyone give a reason .. i can't browse pages ? |
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| 22:35.53 | nsadmin | Agiofws: do you have remotes you would ssh to? |
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| 22:36.08 | Agiofws | nsadmin, ? |
| 22:36.11 | Motorin | Has anyone tried Debian on one of those so-called "plug computers" -- ultra small form factor non-x86 embedded systems? |
| 22:36.39 | yoshio | Agiofws, what do you have in your hosts line of the file /etc/nsswitch.conf -- mine is (on squeeze) --> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 22:37.10 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 22:37.13 | Motorin | I'm thinking of getting one to play with, but it would have to support Debian -- I don't want to be stuck with "Bob's Linux" or whatever custom cruft comes on it. |
| 22:37.19 | Agiofws | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 22:37.37 | atula | hmm... debian.org mirrors are down :/ |
| 22:37.43 | atula | for security that is |
| 22:37.44 | lenswipe2 | back |
| 22:37.54 | lenswipe2 | damn BTOpenzone |
| 22:38.02 | Agiofws | is there anything wrong with dns servers ? |
| 22:38.08 | lenswipe | my laptop seems to prefer BTOpenzone |
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| 22:38.18 | lenswipe | yeah i cant connect to any debian mirror |
| 22:38.23 | lenswipe | anyone got any input on that? |
| 22:38.27 | sobersabre | please explain how does supervise start on debian. according to cr.yp.to/daemontools.html it is supposed to be in /etc/inittab, or /etc/event.d (not avail on lenny) |
| 22:38.28 | Agiofws | can anyone giveme googles ip ? |
| 22:38.28 | babilen | lenswipe: It might also be that your DNS settings are wrong. (like Agiofws') Switch to a different console (alt-f2) and type "cat /etc/resolv.conf" if the information in there is not correct do "echo nameserver XX.XX.XX.XX > /etc/resolv.conf" where XX.XX.XX.XX is the IP address of your nameserver. |
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| 22:38.33 | sobersabre | or /etc/rc.local. |
| 22:38.35 | nsadmin | you mean other than some govt clod trying to prevent wikileaks? |
| 22:38.42 | yoshio | Agiofws, if you had a local caching dns server, I'd restart that |
| 22:38.44 | lenswipe | babilen, uh what? |
| 22:38.51 | sobersabre | I don't find any reference to svscanboot at neither location |
| 22:38.54 | Agiofws | babilen, |
| 22:38.57 | atula | -_- apt-get update with the debian.org isn't working for at least a day now |
| 22:39.00 | lenswipe | babilen, you do know im doing an install right now? asin, i dont have a desktop |
| 22:39.00 | babilen | Agiofws |
| 22:39.00 | Agiofws | resolv.conf |
| 22:39.03 | atula | so I'm just wondering |
| 22:39.10 | lenswipe | babilen, asin i cant do alt+f2 |
| 22:39.11 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/etc$more resolv.conf |
| 22:39.11 | Agiofws | nameserver 195.170.0.1 |
| 22:39.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:39.26 | babilen | lenswipe: yes, sure. But you can still switch to a (very minimal) shell |
| 22:39.39 | nsadmin | Agiofws, why not run your own dns server on your desktop |
| 22:39.39 | yoshio | Agiofws, google is (for me ) 66.102.7.104 |
| 22:39.46 | lenswipe | babilen, how? |
| 22:40.00 | lenswipe | babilen, i can tell you what DNS servers im using right now if u want |
| 22:40.04 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/etc$ping 66.102.7.104 |
| 22:40.04 | Agiofws | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 22:40.08 | Agiofws | FF |
| 22:40.16 | Agiofws | this is so strange |
| 22:40.16 | lenswipe | i have a local DNS proxy |
| 22:40.24 | Agiofws | wtf is going on ? |
| 22:40.30 | babilen | Agiofws: Could you try to change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 in there and check if it is working. (Your NS does not allow recursion and I am not in the mood to debug that) |
| 22:40.45 | lenswipe | babilen, im using 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 22:40.47 | nsadmin | a local dns proxy is just a forwarder |
| 22:41.03 | Agiofws | won't my ISP block that ? |
| 22:41.03 | lenswipe | nsadmin, yeah exactly, so i can tell you what its forwarding :) |
| 22:41.08 | lenswipe | Agiofws, nope |
| 22:41.12 | lenswipe | Agiofws, unlikely |
| 22:41.23 | babilen | lenswipe: ALT-F2 to switch to a different shell ... I would (like Agiofws) also try 8.8.8.8 (or 4.2.2.4) as temporary nameserver |
| 22:41.41 | lenswipe | babilen, im using 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as i previously told you |
| 22:41.45 | yoshio | lenswipe, ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 22:42.08 | babilen | lenswipe: Ah, you are already using google's DNS :-\ |
| 22:42.08 | lenswipe | indeed |
| 22:42.17 | lenswipe | babilen, what happens if you run an nslookup on ftp.uk.debian.org ? |
| 22:42.19 | lenswipe | babilen, i get 83.142.228.128 |
| 22:42.21 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 22:42.21 | nsadmin | Agiofws: it might be blocking something now |
| 22:43.03 | babilen | lenswipe: Same here. And I am using the same mirror. |
| 22:43.05 | Agiofws | babilen, still |
| 22:43.13 | lenswipe | babilen, can u apt-get from it? |
| 22:43.20 | lenswipe | babilen, try installing something from that mirror |
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| 22:43.34 | babilen | lenswipe: yes -- but I am using Squeeze not Lenny. |
| 22:43.51 | Agiofws | although i connect to IRC via a tranparent local irc Relay or proxy |
| 22:43.56 | lenswipe | babilen, right |
| 22:43.58 | Agiofws | but thatsthe same thing |
| 22:44.15 | lenswipe | babilen, either way i have search home nameserver 192.168.1.8 nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:44.16 | atula | it seems like my nameserver isn't responding. what should I be doing ? |
| 22:44.17 | Agiofws | 00:44 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Name or service not known] |
| 22:44.21 | lenswipe | babilen, thats my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:44.22 | atula | I want to do apt-get update |
| 22:44.23 | Agiofws | hmm |
| 22:44.37 | atula | same issue perhaps / |
| 22:44.38 | atula | ? |
| 22:44.39 | Agiofws | wtf is going on here ? |
| 22:44.47 | lenswipe | atula, most likely |
| 22:44.47 | atula | comcast nameserver is down? |
| 22:44.55 | lenswipe | atula, debian mirror by the sound of it |
| 22:44.55 | sisif | Hey guys. I know this may sound like a noob question, BUT, how the hell can I output my audio trough the bluetooth? |
| 22:45.05 | babilen | lenswipe: I would try without the local one ... But you can ping and nslookup just fine on the console? |
| 22:45.05 | lenswipe | atula, Agiofws are u guys using lenny? |
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| 22:45.10 | lenswipe | babilen, okay |
| 22:45.11 | atula | lenny here |
| 22:45.17 | Agiofws | no |
| 22:45.18 | lenswipe | babilen, i cant ping - it says command not found |
| 22:45.27 | atula | you can get to ftp.us.debian.org on my work comp |
| 22:45.28 | lenswipe | babilen, most likely that isnt installed yet |
| 22:45.34 | babilen | lenswipe: ah, the pleasures of busybox |
| 22:45.37 | lenswipe | indeed |
| 22:45.39 | lenswipe | *groan* |
| 22:45.42 | Agiofws | this is very strange ... |
| 22:45.44 | atula | do you guys have comcast ? |
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| 22:46.00 | Agiofws | ok a host on my lan has net i just sshed to it ... |
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| 22:46.06 | lenswipe | babilen, i am now 90% sure that something is up with the lenny mirrors |
| 22:46.07 | doublehp | how's called firefox and thunderbird in debian ? |
| 22:46.13 | Agiofws | root@OpenWrt:~# ping google.com |
| 22:46.16 | Agiofws | PING google.com (209.85.146.104): 56 data bytes |
| 22:46.16 | Agiofws | 64 bytes from 209.85.146.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=91.7 ms |
| 22:46.19 | lenswipe | doublehp, Iceweasel |
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| 22:46.25 | lenswipe | doublehp, thunderbird aint installed |
| 22:46.37 | doublehp | lenswipe: icedove |
| 22:46.38 | Agiofws | but my host does not have Internet ... BUT it does have wlan ... |
| 22:46.40 | babilen | lenswipe: Try a different mirror, for example the German one, ftp.de.debian.org or one in the netherlands |
| 22:46.43 | Agiofws | but i can IRC ... |
| 22:46.45 | nsadmin | I know a comcast customer who just runs bind |
| 22:46.49 | Agiofws | but i cant browse |
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| 22:47.07 | nsadmin | what do you use to irc? |
| 22:47.15 | babilen | Agiofws: Have you tried after changing your nameserver? |
| 22:47.20 | doublehp | nsadmin: irssi, pidgin |
| 22:47.21 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 22:47.34 | lenswipe2 | OH MY F***ING GOODNYESS! |
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| 22:47.37 | lenswipe2 | AAAGHHH! |
| 22:47.37 | Agiofws | nsadmin, i use DIRCPROXY |
| 22:47.37 | yoshio | doublehp, icedove |
| 22:47.41 | babilen | Agiofws: Not working as well? Does "nslookup google.com" work? |
| 22:47.45 | babilen | lenswipe2: yes? |
| 22:47.52 | Agiofws | and i connect to that from xchat |
| 22:47.56 | lenswipe2 | some **** round here has a bt hotspot and its kicking me off my wifi |
| 22:47.58 | lenswipe2 | idk why |
| 22:48.11 | lenswipe2 | my laptop seems to prefer BTFON to my wifi |
| 22:48.18 | doublehp | X fails to install because udev fails to update because my kernel is too old; when i ask to update kernel, it tries first to update udev ... how to ask aptitude to just update kernel ? |
| 22:48.24 | BarryCarlyon | Hello. Looking for some help. I have a i2o and one of the drives died. So replaced all the drives (just to be safe), now the i2o is showing as four drives, I'd like to format them to a raid 0 (as they were before iirc) but can't find the right information (via google) to do this, So I'm now here. Can anyone advice/point to useful link. |
| 22:48.25 | Agiofws | xus:/lib/udev/rules.d# nslookup google.com |
| 22:48.25 | Agiofws | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 22:48.25 | babilen | lenswipe2: The pleasures of BT (You hub can't connect to broadband ...;) |
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| 22:48.43 | lenswipe2 | babilen, i wouldnt care but im not even a BT customer |
| 22:48.59 | babilen | lenswipe2: ah, good for you :) |
| 22:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 959] by debhelper |
| 22:49.01 | lenswipe2 | babilen, somehow they have figured out a way of dicking with my wifi |
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| 22:50.03 | nsadmin | you mean you think someone's doing it on purpose? |
| 22:50.10 | babilen | lenswipe2: To get back to work ... I would try a different mirror. de/nl or something like that. And just to ask again: You are sure that you don't want to install Squeeze? |
| 22:50.40 | lenswipe2 | nsadmin, i mean i think the Bt hotspots are setup to do that, there used to be one round my old house that did this |
| 22:51.01 | lenswipe2 | nsadmin, ive tried changing the wifi channel, it doesnt do any good - if this doesnt stop im gonna buy one of these: http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/prod_images_blowup/10324901.jpg see how they like it back |
| 22:51.17 | lenswipe2 | http://www.wifi.gr/wifi_images_s/rflinx/tsmp11_24dbi_3q.jpg |
| 22:51.19 | lenswipe2 | or possibly one of those |
| 22:51.24 | doublehp | what's lighter than firefox ? i need to save disk, and have a small cpu |
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| 22:51.30 | lenswipe | doublehp, try chrome |
| 22:51.48 | lenswipe | babilen, i dont have squeeze downloaded |
| 22:51.57 | doublehp | lenswipe: if aptitude says me it's smaller than firefox ... :D |
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| 22:52.09 | lenswipe | doublehp, im 90% sure its not in the repos |
| 22:52.14 | babilen | lenswipe: another idea would be to just install base and take it from there |
| 22:52.15 | nkuttler | doublehp: links, lynx, dillo |
| 22:52.25 | doublehp | nkuttler: need java script |
| 22:52.28 | doublehp | and flash |
| 22:52.29 | nsadmin | lenswipe2: if they're interfering with your wifi, that might be against the law and you might have a claim... if this is true and you interfere with them, they might have a claim against you |
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| 22:52.47 | lenswipe | babilen, and the only machine that had enough drive space left to download something like a linux distro is the one thats currently frozen halfway through install (but after the disk partitioning formatting stage) |
| 22:53.24 | babilen | lenswipe: What about other mirrors? |
| 22:53.28 | lenswipe | babilen, same |
| 22:53.32 | doublehp | feels like ... aptitude had 3 good reasons to break the box, and make it not boot again ever |
| 22:54.03 | lenswipe | doublehp, aptitude is in the habbit of doing that - aptitude is the reason im now doing a re-install - it pushed an xorg update to me that screwed the box into the ground |
| 22:54.12 | lenswipe | babilen, i guess i could try a US mirror - would that work? |
| 22:54.21 | lenswipe | babilen, same |
| 22:54.22 | nkuttler | that's not aptitude's fault though |
| 22:54.26 | babilen | lenswipe: I am really not sure what you ran into there. You can lookup all the addresses just fine, but still get the "BAD ARCHIVE ..." |
| 22:54.27 | lenswipe | nkuttler, yes it is |
| 22:54.35 | doublehp | lenswipe: Debian is the reason why I left Debian :) |
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| 22:54.43 | lenswipe | doublehp, right./ |
| 22:54.53 | lenswipe | babilen, i cant lookup the addresses form the machine with the installer because i cant use ping |
| 22:55.01 | lenswipe | babilen, because busybox doesnt fucking support it |
| 22:55.02 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 22:55.03 | lenswipe | fml |
| 22:55.09 | doublehp | lenswipe: you don't need ping to lookup |
| 22:55.11 | nkuttler | lenswipe: were you running stable? |
| 22:55.20 | babilen | lenswipe: don't you have something like nslookup running there. I am not sure which tools are available in busybox |
| 22:55.20 | lenswipe | nkuttler, stable lenny? |
| 22:55.23 | lenswipe | nkuttler, yes |
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| 22:55.30 | lenswipe | babilen, i cant use nslookup either |
| 22:55.40 | lenswipe | directs foul language at the debian installer |
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| 22:56.00 | lenswipe | "/bin/sh: nslookup: command not found" |
| 22:56.01 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 22:56.17 | yoshio | Agiofws: what does dig @195.170.0.1 google.com give you? |
| 22:56.38 | lenswipe | babilen, how do i switch to bash? or isnt it installed at this point? |
| 22:57.02 | babilen | lenswipe: What about curl? |
| 22:57.08 | lenswipe | how do i use that? |
| 22:57.16 | lenswipe | tell me how to use it and ill happyly try :0 |
| 22:57.18 | lenswipe | :) |
| 22:57.21 | babilen | curl URL |
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| 22:57.26 | doublehp | lenswipe: busybox won't have any DNS or network tool |
| 22:57.32 | lenswipe | curl aint installed |
| 22:57.35 | lenswipe | doublehp, oh, wonderful |
| 22:57.48 | babilen | aren't packages downloaded with curl? |
| 22:57.49 | doublehp | lenswipe: know it, and do with it |
| 22:57.58 | lenswipe | doublehp, i am doing |
| 22:58.03 | lenswipe | babilen, it would appear not |
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| 22:59.23 | lenswipe | babilen, i might try doing a winshit install, downloading the squeeze ISO, burning that to CD and then taking things from there |
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| 22:59.45 | nsadmin | ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available |
| 22:59.59 | babilen | lenswipe: That is an option. You could also just install the base system without *any* tasks and take it from there. |
| 22:59.59 | doublehp | lenswipe: chromium listed ... |
| 23:00.05 | nsadmin | you're not using a name server that's going to do you any good |
| 23:00.06 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: no wget? |
| 23:00.09 | r15 | hi all, i am curious about entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, ip/hostname entries are encrypted? http://fpaste.org/ALC0/ |
| 23:00.26 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, idk lemme try |
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| 23:00.29 | lenswipe | doublehp, sure |
| 23:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Yeah, if it's just dns trouble use a public dns. |
| 23:00.34 | lenswipe | babilen, dont wana do that |
| 23:00.39 | babilen | lenswipe: ok |
| 23:00.44 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, i dont think its dns trouble |
| 23:00.51 | doublehp | lenswipe: 32M vs 5M ... chrome wins |
| 23:00.51 | jhutchins_lt | (Hm, the public dns list was on the drive that died.) |
| 23:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | 2.2.2.2 |
| 23:00.58 | r15 | as of now i have seen, IP or hostname entries in ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, is it a new feature implemented? |
| 23:00.59 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: He is already using google's DNS |
| 23:01.00 | lenswipe | doublehp, k |
| 23:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
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| 23:01.33 | doublehp | 8.8.8.8 !!! |
| 23:01.36 | babilen | lenswipe: You deleted everything else from /etc/resolv.conf or? |
| 23:01.39 | babilen | doublehp: exactly |
| 23:01.46 | lenswipe | babilen, no i havent |
| 23:01.49 | doublehp | and 8.8..4.4 or 4.4.8.8 ... |
| 23:01.54 | doublehp | forgot |
| 23:01.57 | lenswipe | ok i have wget |
| 23:02.01 | lenswipe | what do i do now? |
| 23:02.02 | r15 | on debian ~/.ssh/known_hosts entries are encrypted? |
| 23:02.06 | babilen | wget URL |
| 23:02.07 | CaT[t3] | 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:02.14 | babilen | r15: no |
| 23:02.18 | lenswipe | i can wget stuff |
| 23:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I believe there's an option to tell the installer to use wget instead of curl. |
| 23:02.28 | r15 | babilen: http://fpaste.org/ALC0/ |
| 23:02.28 | lenswipe | really? |
| 23:02.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, mind sharing |
| 23:02.34 | lenswipe | ? |
| 23:02.39 | lenswipe | im using the GUI installer btw |
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| 23:02.43 | babilen | lenswipe: So "wget http://www.google.com" is working? |
| 23:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | Well, aptitude anyway... |
| 23:02.50 | lenswipe | babilen, sure |
| 23:03.09 | fruitwerks | how do you reinstall a virtual package? |
| 23:03.44 | lenswipe | fruitwerks, backup your stuff,shut the machine down - install ubuntu |
| 23:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Shoot, I don't see it anywhere. |
| 23:04.02 | Agiofws | ok back |
| 23:04.03 | r15 | babilen: http://fpaste.org/ALC0/ ~/.ssh/known_hosts entries are appearing encrypted. |
| 23:04.04 | Agiofws | i fixed my default GW line in my route table |
| 23:04.05 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, yeah |
| 23:04.07 | Agiofws | stew, can we get back to my udev problem ? |
| 23:04.26 | nsadmin | fruitwerks: installing a purely virtual package won't do anything |
| 23:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I know urpmi used either, I guess I just assumed aptitude had the option. |
| 23:04.32 | babilen | r15: The remote host might have changed its keys. You can do "ssh-keygen -R IP" to remove the entry |
| 23:04.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, so yeah i can wget stuff, from other URLs |
| 23:04.33 | fruitwerks | haha.. I am moving over to ubuntu.. my python is all messed up right now |
| 23:04.34 | themill | lenswipe: I don't think you're in a position to be rude to people like that. Unhelpful at best. |
| 23:04.41 | nsadmin | err, reinstalling |
| 23:04.49 | fruitwerks | nsadmin: I need python-pkg-resources |
| 23:04.57 | yoshio | Agiofws: what does dig @195.170.0.1 google.com give you? |
| 23:05.17 | lenswipe | themill, im not being rude to him, im commenting that debian isnt exactly a dream to use, and given whats happening right now, you have to admit its not. |
| 23:05.29 | nsadmin | yoshio ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available |
| 23:05.29 | doublehp | unexpectidly ... my debian rebooted (dispite kernel update, udev update, and disk label deep modifications ) . For once, a kernel update did not end in reinstall ... |
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| 23:05.45 | yoshio | r15: http://blog.rootshell.be/2010/11/03/bruteforcing-ssh-known_hosts-files/ |
| 23:05.56 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Sorry, not finding any option. |
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| 23:06.04 | r15 | babilen: i did ssh to a fedora/open-bsd/solaris-10, can they encrypt my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file? |
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| 23:06.08 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, hmm, any other suggestions? |
| 23:06.08 | Agiofws | yoshio, http://codepad.org/PSHL09Uq |
| 23:06.10 | Agiofws | why ? |
| 23:06.22 | nsadmin | doublehp, you sure your machine is sound? |
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| 23:06.35 | fruitwerks | is there a fix python doc? |
| 23:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Old rpm method - download, dpkg, download more. |
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| 23:06.57 | r15 | thanks yoshio |
| 23:07.03 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, great. no thanks |
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| 23:07.10 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, think ill move to squeeze |
| 23:07.12 | doublehp | whos called the binary for chrome ? nothing starting by "whro" or "go" |
| 23:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: So aptitude/apt-get just won't download for some reason? |
| 23:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Yeah, move to something you KNOW is broken. |
| 23:07.31 | yoshio | Agiofws, so ping google.com still doesn't work? |
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| 23:07.40 | babilen | r15: Why would you want that? It just contains public keys of server you connected to previously. These keys are used to check if the connection is OK. Apparently the server you connect to now has changed it keys. That might be caused by a man in the middle attack, or just a result of a new key on the server. |
| 23:07.41 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, at least theres a chance it will install |
| 23:08.00 | Agiofws | yoshio i fixed my default GW line in my route table |
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| 23:08.47 | yoshio | doublehp, chromium-browser |
| 23:09.03 | doublehp | installed chromium-bsu ^^ it's a game :D |
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| 23:10.00 | r15 | babilen: i was curious about the format in ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, |
| 23:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I doubt it will do any better (or even differently) than lenny. Not sure what the problem would be. No chance of a wired link? |
| 23:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | always thought installing over wifi was silly. |
| 23:11.11 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, i dont really know what you suggest, lenny stable that i had was broken by an xorg update and lenny x64 wont even install |
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| 23:11.12 | babilen | r15: You should check *why* the key changed by contacting the remote system administrator. The easiest way to deal with this problem however is to remove the public key from your known_hosts with the command I gave you earlier. Note that you are not guaranteed anymore to connect to the same server your connected to earlier. |
| 23:11.24 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, im on a wired link |
| 23:11.35 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, well the PC thats attempting to install lenny is |
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| 23:12.27 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: That's the one not connecting to the mirrors? |
| 23:12.36 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, yeah it is |
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| 23:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Try the swiss mirrors - ch |
| 23:13.30 | r15 | yes, i agree, with your suggestion, remote server has changed the keys, resulting in a warning, i used to remove entry manually, and earlier it used to be associated with the hostname/ip, today i found the changed format, answer is in http://blog.rootshell.be/2010/11/03/bruteforcing-ssh-known_hosts-files/ by yoshio. |
| 23:13.43 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, ive tried the US mirrors...lemme start the installer up |
| 23:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | The swiss ones were always the best for mandriva. |
| 23:14.25 | babilen | r15: Ah, you were asking about the host name hashing .. Sorry, I completely misunderstood you then :) |
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| 23:14.29 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, orly? |
| 23:14.57 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, even from the U.S. |
| 23:15.13 | lenswipe | well the US ones aint working i still get the same bad archive error |
| 23:15.22 | r15 | babilen: thanks for ssh-keygen -R ip tip, it's cool. :) |
| 23:15.39 | babilen | r15: No problem :) |
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| 23:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I suppose there could be something wrong with your archive utility... |
| 23:16.35 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Have you checked the disk? |
| 23:16.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, the disk? |
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| 23:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Bad archive says the .deb doesn't match it's internal checksum. Possibilities: Bad source, damaged during download, corrupted on disk. |
| 23:17.51 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 23:18.04 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: "bad archive mirror" |
| 23:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: can you pastebin a complete command and output? |
| 23:18.55 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, how could i do that? |
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| 23:19.18 | lenswipe | seeing as the machine that isnt working is the machine that doesnt even have ping |
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| 23:23.50 | doublehp | can i add an adblocket to chrome ? |
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| 23:24.07 | lenswipe | doublehp, see the "adblock" extention |
| 23:24.17 | lenswipe | doublehp, its great - it does youtube ads |
| 23:24.28 | doublehp | lenswipe: i don't find the conf pannel, or extension manager |
| 23:24.41 | lenswipe | doublehp, search for it on google and then click install |
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| 23:37.27 | edgardoweb | hi |
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| 23:39.20 | lenswipe | hi |
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| 23:45.29 | stew | Agiofws: what file is it actually complaining about? |
| 23:45.39 | stew | Agiofws: check dmesg, /var/log/messages, /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 23:59.18 | CyberDomovoy | i'm trying to mirror amd64 sid on my lan, found ftpsync, i can exclude archs with ARCH_EXCLUDE, but how can i exclude suites to keep only sid? |
