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| 00:03.49 | anoob | hi, i've installed e17 (svn) and now I need to use it with slim... how could i do that? |
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| 00:14.20 | peterrooney | anoob: presumably, from within slim? could try editing ~/.wmrc also |
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| 00:20.21 | anoob | peterrooney, i don't have this file |
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| 00:21.00 | s1gnius | I am trying to compile ices0 and getting this error: /src/src/modules.c:361: undefined reference to `dlsym' |
| 00:21.11 | s1gnius | i have installed libsdl |
| 00:21.16 | s1gnius | and still getting the error |
| 00:21.31 | zinx | that's dl, not sdl |
| 00:21.43 | zinx | and it comes with libc |
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| 00:23.05 | s1gnius | zinx: thanks |
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| 00:29.58 | peterrooney | anoob: try editing /etc/X11/slim.conf, adding e16 to the default `sessions' list |
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| 00:47.25 | Accelerator | Where is debians MySQL connection info stored again? |
| 00:47.55 | Accelerator | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' MySQL is being a bitch again. |
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| 00:56.05 | hellnest | anyone know how to upgrade debian kernel to 2.6.36?? I'm using squeeze right now |
| 00:56.16 | anoob | peterrooney, http://paste.uni.cc/21108 |
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| 00:58.11 | peterrooney | anoob: you should edit line 54; adding ",e16" somewhere .. restart, and press F1 repeatedly at loging screen to choose which wm to use. |
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| 00:59.00 | peterrooney | anoob: sessions default,e16,startxfce4,openbox,ion3,icewm,wmaker,blackbox,awesome |
| 00:59.03 | acemi | hellnest: it's possible to install from the experimental repo |
| 00:59.28 | hellnest | i already have a .deb package from edmond, but when i installed it throught "dpkg" it's only put an extra option in Grub and didn't "full update" the kernel it's self |
| 01:00.20 | hellnest | acemi: experimental repo where can i found it? sorry noob here. I'm facing a connectivity problem with current kernel that's why i want to upgrade |
| 01:00.45 | anoob | peterrooney, ok, but is it enough? |
| 01:00.57 | acemi | hellnest: what is the connectivity problem? |
| 01:01.42 | Accelerator | Where is the .cnf file for DEBIAN on MYSQL? |
| 01:01.46 | Accelerator | the debian.cnf file |
| 01:02.00 | hellnest | acemi: I'm using windows mobile to shared the connection. But it can't be detected again after latest squeeze upgrade. It say something about rndis_hosts failed.. |
| 01:02.12 | Accelerator | Found it nevermind. |
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| 01:03.09 | peterrooney | anoob: you'll have to restart it; in my experience slim sometimes requires manual intervention to restart. YMMV. |
| 01:03.33 | hellnest | acemi: http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=61637 you can look more detail in that forum |
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| 01:06.24 | hachi | hi folks, is there a bug in postfix squeeze package that makes it so if you pick the "No configuration" option in the setup questions |
| 01:06.34 | hachi | it fails to start with an inappropriate error? |
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| 01:08.47 | karlpinc | hachi: I suppose you could file a bug and find out. |
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| 01:09.23 | acemi | hellnest: this can be something related with udev. i think that this is not a kernel issue |
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| 01:10.15 | hellnest | acemi: hmm... how to fix it? |
| 01:10.17 | hachi | filing a bug always requires reportbug to work, and I have the worst luck with that thing |
| 01:10.34 | hellnest | i really blind with this stuff... >.<"... |
| 01:10.44 | hachi | it tends to error out when it tries to send the message, when I tell it not to send the message n |
| 01:10.49 | acemi | hellnest: could you check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 01:11.42 | hellnest | acemi: ok, wait a min |
| 01:12.07 | hellnest | acemi: here you go http://pastebin.com/6y4Az7DK |
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| 01:14.51 | acemi | hellnest: it seems ok |
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| 01:15.54 | acemi | but i can say that this is not a kernel related problem |
| 01:16.23 | hellnest | acemi: it's config related right? |
| 01:16.52 | hellnest | tested in other machince *not running debian, and it's work well... also in sid |
| 01:16.56 | acemi | probably |
| 01:16.57 | hellnest | i mean lenny |
| 01:16.59 | hellnest | :D |
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| 01:17.24 | hellnest | anyway try to download the package right now and see if it's work.. |
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| 01:18.04 | hellnest | it will erase my current kernel right? because i have a Graphic card issue which is need to be manual install and configured the driver |
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| 01:22.35 | acemi | hellnest: do you have squeeze or mint? |
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| 01:27.37 | hellnest | acemi: network-manager is a problem, try to invoke a restart command for network-manager and it can detect again my connection. But i must do this everytime my connection failed |
| 01:28.23 | not_david | is anyone else having difficulties with youtube-dl? it seems no matter what video i try it on, it always complains with 'unable to download video (format may not be available) |
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| 01:29.57 | nevyn | hellnest1: that's cause you're doing it wrong. |
| 01:30.02 | nevyn | anwyay... |
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| 01:40.37 | dokma | Where am I wrong in this thinking? there is a file in /tmp group is www-data I am logged in as a user that is in the group file perm is 660 but and I am wronly thinking I should be able to delete the file.... |
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| 01:42.05 | yoshio | dokma, man chmod -- look for "RESTRICTED DELETION FLAG OR STICKY BIT" |
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| 01:42.21 | dokma | I've just noticed it |
| 01:42.28 | dokma | I'll check it out |
| 01:42.29 | dokma | thanks |
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| 01:42.46 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone know a good doc2html converter? doc2odt and odt2html isn't werkin. |
| 01:44.43 | pipeline | Mikaze: there's no good way to convert doc to html, period. |
| 01:45.05 | pipeline | Mikaze: their document models are just fundamentally, irreconcilably different |
| 01:45.06 | bronaugh | use openoffice |
| 01:45.12 | Mikaze | It just werked last week! |
| 01:45.22 | pipeline | openoffice will export to something that vaguely resembles html |
| 01:45.26 | pipeline | but the output quality is *terrible* |
| 01:45.34 | bronaugh | pipeline: yeah I haven't tried it. |
| 01:45.42 | pipeline | you *can* convert doc to html, but the resulting html is so bad that it's really a waste of time |
| 01:45.51 | bronaugh | just seemed like a better bet than random utilities. |
| 01:46.06 | Mikaze | doesn't care about the quality. I'm just converting recipes over to html for the website. |
| 01:46.17 | pipeline | Mikaze: copy and paste from the doc files to a text editor |
| 01:46.20 | bronaugh | then export them as plain text and do the formatting yourself. |
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| 01:46.28 | pipeline | bronaugh is right... that's the best method |
| 01:46.45 | bronaugh | basic HTML is rather easy. |
| 01:46.51 | Mikaze | I would, but I'm blind and the mouse is worthless. |
| 01:47.12 | Mikaze | Ever try a mouse with your eyes closed? |
| 01:47.17 | bronaugh | ok, so wv |
| 01:47.46 | Mikaze | That, and the Orca screen reader is fer shite. |
| 01:47.49 | bronaugh | wv package IIRC includes stuff to convert from Word to other stuff. |
| 01:48.21 | Mikaze | tries wv. Thank you. |
| 01:48.40 | bronaugh | /usr/bin/wvHtml, /usr/bin/wvText |
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| 01:50.42 | iluminator101 | hey guys i got a little problem, just a little. here is my problem http://pastebin.com/nPipb1Hy thanks in advance |
| 01:52.24 | lemonn | Does squeeze still use alsamixer,I remember alsaconf has been dropped in squeeze. |
| 01:52.26 | bronaugh | try installing apache2-mpm-worker on its own. |
| 01:52.29 | Mikaze | Yeah, I'm just building a website for some fanily recipes, and some howtos and links to assist the newly blind with options to bypass all the govt hoops you have to jump thru like a trained circus dog, in order to get any help. |
| 01:52.37 | bronaugh | see whether that tells you more. |
| 01:52.40 | abrotman | lemonn: it's still there if you want ot use it |
| 01:52.53 | bronaugh | Mikaze: what happened to your vision? |
| 01:53.27 | Mikaze | Diabetes and a part time job. Wasn't making enough to take care of glucose levels properly. |
| 01:53.58 | bronaugh | ah. |
| 01:54.10 | Mikaze | shrugs. Such is life. |
| 01:54.24 | bronaugh | guess so. can't really reverse macular degeneration. |
| 01:55.21 | Mikaze | They tried reattaching the retina on one eye and only made things worse. I get by now, after some 6 years of sulking. |
| 01:55.32 | Mikaze | grins. |
| 01:57.01 | Mikaze | Thanks again. Will choke down the wv man page and see what happens. <waves> |
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| 01:57.10 | bronaugh | heh. |
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| 02:03.42 | gnarface | hey so can someone tell me what lenny/volatile is and what would cause it to be added to the /etc/apt/sources.list of a freshly created stock Lenny (base system only) install? |
| 02:03.43 | Accelerator | Does anyone know where else other then syslog would MySQL store errors? |
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| 02:03.47 | Accelerator | Because syslog isn't helping at all. |
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| 02:04.26 | abrotman | there's a mysql error log |
| 02:04.36 | gnarface | Accelerator: are these errors in individual queries you're looking for, or some sort of startup error? |
| 02:04.42 | dvs | !start a db war |
| 02:04.43 | dpkg | MySQL is more reliable than Sybase |
| 02:04.55 | yoshio | Accelerator, /var/log/mysql |
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| 02:05.19 | gnarface | abrotman: hey man. is the Lenny/volatile source supposed to be being added by default to fresh base Lenny installs? |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:05.32 | gnarface | is it safe? |
| 02:05.46 | deepy | I have an abnormally slow squeeze install |
| 02:05.57 | deepy | is anyone available in 8 hours to help me debug it? |
| 02:06.00 | yoshio | gnarface, that's for stuff like spam signatures, recent stuff that gets added to stable |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | gnarface: not much in it if you look |
| 02:06.33 | deepy | and by that I mean alt+tabbing from one gtk-terminal to another can take up to a second |
| 02:07.07 | yoshio | Accelerator, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-volatile/ |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | wrong person ? |
| 02:07.27 | gnarface | abrotman: so for example its not going to cause unknown compatibility issues by randomly upgrading my php install to the latest version availalbe in squeeze/sid (i'm relying on lenny keeping 5.2.x for now) |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | uh no .. it updates stuff like tzdata or clamav |
| 02:07.48 | gnarface | ok |
| 02:07.54 | gnarface | thanks |
| 02:08.00 | gnarface | that's a weight off my shoulders |
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| 02:09.13 | abrotman | look at the Packages file there |
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| 02:11.13 | ksk | hello there |
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| 02:12.16 | ksk | can someone tell me why the packages "fam" and "portmap" are installed with "lighttpd" on lenny? |
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| 02:14.17 | gnarface | cause lighttpd is ghetto. |
| 02:14.18 | ksk | theres packages are not installed on squeeze, so id like to know why its needed |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | fam depends on portmap .. |
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| 02:14.23 | abrotman | gnarface: not helpful ? |
| 02:14.26 | gnarface | sorry |
| 02:14.30 | gnarface | i'll stop |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | ksk: lighttpd may use some sort of file alteration monitor to kick off certain events |
| 02:15.30 | ksk | mhmkay. so maybe its way of doing this changed in squeeze? |
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| 02:15.53 | abrotman | nope, i have squeeze here, still depends on libfam0 |
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| 02:18.39 | gnarface | portmap requires fam? |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | no, fam requires portmap |
| 02:19.08 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | judd: depends fam --release lenny |
| 02:19.12 | judd | Package fam -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), portmap, update-inetd. |
| 02:19.20 | gnarface | huh |
| 02:19.21 | gnarface | weird |
| 02:19.51 | gnarface | judd: depends spamassassin --release lenny |
| 02:19.52 | judd | Package spamassassin -- depends: perl (>= 5.8.0), libhtml-parser-perl (>= 3.43), libdigest-sha1-perl, libsocket6-perl, libsys-hostname-long-perl, libarchive-tar-perl, libwww-perl, libnet-dns-perl (>= 0.34), perl-modules (>= 5.10). |
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| 02:20.30 | gnarface | i'm always shutting off/uninstalling portmap. should i stop doing that? |
| 02:20.47 | ksk | :> |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | gnarface: depends if oyu need it or not |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | i care on servers, not on workstatoins |
| 02:21.36 | tharkun | wonders who oyu is? |
| 02:21.43 | yoshio | gnarface, I have OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1" in my /etc/default/portmap, to make it listen to localhost, rather than bind it to eth0 |
| 02:21.44 | gnarface | well i always thought i didn't. but then it always mysteriously gets brought in as a dependency for something or another that i DO need. knowing that fam depends on it solves part of the mystery though |
| 02:22.10 | tharkun | tries to work out what is a "worstatoins" |
| 02:22.33 | ksk | thanks for your help, abrotman |
| 02:22.39 | gnarface | but i always just disable it in my /etc/rc?.d/*portmap* links |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 02:22.46 | gnarface | even for servers |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | yoshio: i think that's the default now |
| 02:23.09 | gnarface | maybe because i just don't know what portmap does? i thought it had some use for inetd which i also never use |
| 02:23.42 | gnarface | seemed like less moving parts == morre security |
| 02:23.42 | abrotman | !portmap |
| 02:23.42 | dpkg | for sun RPC based services (like <NFS> and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesn't boot then... |
| 02:23.51 | gnarface | ok |
| 02:23.53 | gnarface | that's clear |
| 02:24.00 | gnarface | nfs and nis *would* need it |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | not really :) .. thought there would be more info |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmap .. has a bit more |
| 02:24.30 | gnarface | i've set up nfs as well as nis once or twice. those are the only times when disabling portmap was apparently problematic. |
| 02:24.44 | gnarface | the only times when i've had to reenable it |
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| 02:25.34 | gnarface | but i thought fam was just for speeding up notification of filesystem changes for programs... why does it need portmap for that? |
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| 02:26.44 | abrotman | i didn't code fam .. not sure, but it asks for it |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | other things use portmap also |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | judd: rdepends portmap |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | or i just broke the bot |
| 02:28.00 | gnarface | eh, i'm sure i'll figure it out eventually |
| 02:28.03 | gnarface | thanks for the info |
| 02:28.30 | gnarface | disabling it so far has not caused any apparent problems for me with any of my web,email,database or video game servers |
| 02:28.37 | gnarface | and i typically don't use nfs on public-facing sites |
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| 02:43.37 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:43.38 | dpkg | <aranjedeath> I would use unstable, but as I've heard debian unstable is actually unstable |
| 02:45.59 | boromeus | hello everybody, this is boromeus calling. First time at freenode. Have been a Debian user for three years. Squeeze rocks. |
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| 02:48.09 | abrotman | !congratulate boromeus |
| 02:48.09 | dpkg | Good show boromeus, you did it! |
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| 02:52.01 | rpgdude | what would happen if i removed an hdd from my machine that is setup as a single physical volume and volume group? |
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| 02:57.43 | Tekk_ | is there a default simulated 3rd mouse button for tracpads? |
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| 02:58.39 | roe | I'm looking for opinions with regard to a good rsync utility |
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| 02:59.19 | abrotman | Tekk_: tap both buttons at once |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | roe: rsync ? |
| 02:59.26 | Tekk_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | Tekk_: try it first :) |
| 02:59.33 | Tekk_ | you always seem to be the one who fixes my stuff :P |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | fixes? i didn't fix anything :) |
| 02:59.43 | Tekk_ | k |
| 02:59.45 | Tekk_ | hold on |
| 02:59.54 | Tekk_ | yep |
| 02:59.57 | Tekk_ | thanks :) |
| 02:59.57 | roe | abrotman, yes, but I'd like something a little higher level |
| 03:00.10 | khem_ | anybody here knows if the debian ffmpeg package comes with x264? |
| 03:00.17 | Tekk_ | abrotman: you always seem to be the one to answer, is better :P |
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| 03:00.23 | abrotman | judd: depends ffmpeg --release squeeze |
| 03:00.24 | judd | Package ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libavcodec-extra-52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libavdevice52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libavdevice-extra-52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libavfilter0 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libavfilter-extra-0 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libavformat52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libavformat-extra-52 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libavutil49 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libavutil-extra-49 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libpostproc51 (>= |
| 03:00.26 | judd | 4:0.5.1-1) | libpostproc-extra-51 (>= 4:0.5.1-1), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libswscale0 (>= 4:0.5.1-1) | libswscale-extra-0 (>= 4:0.5.1-1). |
| 03:01.09 | khem_ | judd: depends ffmpeg-php --release squeeze |
| 03:01.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ffmpeg-php' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 03:01.18 | khem_ | judd: depends ffmpeg-php5 --release squeeze |
| 03:01.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ffmpeg-php5' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 03:01.33 | khem_ | judd: depends php5-ffmpeg --release squeeze |
| 03:01.34 | judd | Package php5-ffmpeg -- depends: libavcodec52 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3) | libavcodec-extra-52 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3), libavformat52 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3) | libavformat-extra-52 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3), libc6 (>= 2.4), libswscale0 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3) | libswscale-extra-0 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090706-3), phpapi-20090626+lfs. |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | whoa .. you can msg the bot too .. i was just trying to show you .. or use packages.debian.org |
| 03:03.27 | khem_ | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | khem_: or aptitude show foo |
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| 03:12.21 | rubin110 | Is there anything special I need to do to export a directory full of file system mount points over NFS? |
| 03:12.45 | rubin110 | Like /media for example? |
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| 03:17.19 | cirwin | From time to time, my mouse freezes and I can move it no further. Looking at /var/log/messages, every time I touch it I get a "bad data from KBC - bad parity" error from psmouse.c; rebooting the machine fixes it, but I'd rather not do that every time â any other ideas? |
| 03:17.30 | napster | I've installed debian sqeez via virtualbox. But I'm unable to set screen resolution |
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| 03:17.42 | napster | how can set screen resolution |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 03:19.33 | cirwin | interestingly, if I plug in a USB mouse after this, I can move the cursor, but not click |
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| 03:20.48 | napster | abrotman: Nothing happens with xrandr --fb 800x600 |
| 03:21.35 | gnarface | cirwin: i've never seen this but it sounds quite bad |
| 03:22.07 | cirwin | it's irritating more than anything â it happens maybe once a week, and I just have to reboot to fix it |
| 03:22.17 | cirwin | but 'twould be nice to know why |
| 03:22.23 | hardcode | you could try unloading and reloading the kernel modules right? |
| 03:22.33 | cirwin | which ones? |
| 03:22.39 | gnarface | cirwin: what happens if you start out with the usb mouse and never use the ps2/one at all? |
| 03:22.59 | napster | please help, this is a pain in the ass. how to set screen resolution? |
| 03:23.01 | cirwin | gnarface: dunno, I just borrowed a friends mouse just now to test it |
| 03:23.26 | hardcode | do you get any errors in dmesg? |
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| 03:23.47 | Mayate | Tired of niggers? |
| 03:23.52 | Mayate | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 03:23.56 | Mayate | Then join Chimpout Forum! |
| 03:24.02 | Mayate | http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 03:24.04 | gnarface | cirwin: it would be strange and rare for an onboard ps2 port or controller to go bad, but certainly not impossible |
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| 03:24.25 | cirwin | hardcode: yes "psmouse.c: bad data from KBC - bad parity" |
| 03:24.40 | cirwin | repeats a few thousand times whenever I touch the touchpad |
| 03:24.50 | gnarface | cirwin: similarly (based on my very limited knowledge of this) it could be the device itself |
| 03:25.09 | gnarface | cirwin: this worked for years then randomly stopped, right? |
| 03:25.23 | cirwin | hrm, it's been like this for a month or two |
| 03:25.27 | cirwin | and the laptop's only a year old |
| 03:25.47 | gnarface | hmm. unfortunately that doesn't narrow it down one bit |
| 03:25.52 | cirwin | :) |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | cute |
| 03:26.13 | abrotman | napster: are youusing framebuffer? |
| 03:26.16 | hardcode | if it was me i would check the module's sha1 but.. i really am probably just giving bad advice. |
| 03:26.27 | cirwin | hardcode: I've never played with modules â what should I do? |
| 03:26.41 | cirwin | or what should I read so I know what to do, equivalently |
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| 03:27.26 | gnarface | yea sometimes modules will put a bit of hardware in a bad state (through some combination of software and/or hardware defects) and sometimes reloading the module will fix it |
| 03:27.34 | gnarface | i've had that problem with usb cameras a lot |
| 03:27.39 | napster | abrotman: I'm not sure :( |
| 03:27.51 | napster | whats that? |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | then probably not |
| 03:28.51 | napster | ;) |
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| 03:29.18 | cirwin | Thanks for the idea hardcode, rmmod psmouse && modprobe psmouse was sufficient to get it going again |
| 03:29.37 | gnarface | cirwin: hooraay! |
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| 03:29.55 | gnarface | cirwin: unfortunately we still don't know whether this is a hardware or software issue at this point, or a combination of both |
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| 03:30.12 | gnarface | cirwin: if its a new laptop model a bug report *may* be in order |
| 03:30.33 | cirwin | with a mean time-to-failure of 600,000 seconds; I'm not too fussed ;) |
| 03:30.46 | cirwin | if it gets worse I'll investigate more sternly |
| 03:31.00 | napster | abrotman: Any hope? |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | napster: man xrandr .. you don't want the -fb i'm pretty sure |
| 03:32.19 | napster | abrotman: I figured out use -fb from man xrandr (I'm a n00b my friend) |
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| 03:32.41 | abrotman | xrandr -x 800x600 ? |
| 03:32.43 | abrotman | erm .. -s |
| 03:34.02 | napster | abrotman: Size 800x600 not found in available modes |
| 03:34.52 | gnarface | don't some video card drivers still not support xrandr? |
| 03:34.58 | gnarface | there was an older one right? |
| 03:35.02 | gnarface | before xrandr? |
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| 03:35.56 | abrotman | napster: okay .. so try another .. or just type 'xrandr' to see what is available |
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| 03:36.57 | napster | abrotman: I'm unable to set any of them (and 800x600 is one of them) |
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| 03:41.24 | napster | abrotman: How can I check if I had the proper drivers? |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what does it say? |
| 03:43.02 | albech | im trying to drop dhcp packages through my bridge with ebtables, does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 03:43.43 | abrotman | napster: ? |
| 03:44.05 | napster | abrotman: just a second |
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| 03:45.30 | napster | abrotman: It says VGA compatible controller |
| 03:46.10 | ilovegrolsc | my iptables module is broken |
| 03:46.22 | ilovegrolsc | my vps provider won't return my support ticket emails |
| 03:46.24 | ilovegrolsc | what can i do? |
| 03:46.24 | anisfarhana | Hello again :) |
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| 03:47.16 | abrotman | napster: it says more than that |
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| 03:47.35 | anisfarhana | I got this error --> Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk when trying to install sun-java packages , could somebody advise me on this ? |
| 03:47.42 | roe | I just installed a new HD, I created a partition, and formatted it (ext4). However when I go to mount it it says: mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock |
| 03:48.23 | anisfarhana | I guess it is version 6 instead of 5 |
| 03:48.36 | napster | abrotman: Then just the card name (InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics adapter [80ee:beef]) |
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| 03:49.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | napster: which versoin of debian ? |
| 03:49.47 | echo-area | anisfarhana: Yes I installed this package: sun-java6-jdk |
| 03:49.49 | napster | abrotman: squeez |
| 03:49.50 | abrotman | anisfarhana: do you have non-free repos? |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | napster: hrm .. i thought there was a vbox xorg driver, but i donh't see it |
| 03:51.00 | napster | abrotman: What about manually create a xorg.conf file? |
| 03:51.14 | Cullz | yep, anisfarhana, put non free repositories in sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 03:51.17 | abrotman | you can try it |
| 03:51.25 | abrotman | !install java |
| 03:51.25 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 03:52.16 | napster | abrotman: can you send me a copy? |
| 03:52.20 | napster | don't want this to get off from loggin in |
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| 03:53.46 | abrotman | napster: minewouldn't work on yours |
| 03:53.49 | abrotman | and i don't have one |
| 03:54.21 | anisfarhana | echo-area / abrotman / Cullz : got it via apt-get install java-sdk6 |
| 03:54.26 | napster | abrotman: :(, so do ya have a template? |
| 03:54.39 | napster | abrotman: or some tutorial? |
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| 03:55.05 | abrotman | Xorg -configure |
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| 03:55.12 | abrotman | !squeeze xorg.conf |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 03:55.45 | anisfarhana | abrotman: does apache2 will conflict with tomcat ? |
| 03:56.08 | anisfarhana | still confused with apache2 and tomcat5 |
| 03:56.18 | gnarface | resists the urge to say something unhelpful |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | anisfarhana: doubtful |
| 03:57.07 | abrotman | they should work together with a module or connector |
| 03:57.37 | anisfarhana | abrotman: So if the application that required tomcat , can i use apache2 instead of tomcat ? |
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| 03:57.53 | abrotman | uhm, no |
| 03:57.56 | abrotman | goes to bed |
| 03:58.12 | gnarface | anisfarhana: as far as i understand it, tomcat *requires* apache2 |
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| 03:58.27 | anisfarhana | gnarface: oh ok |
| 03:58.35 | anisfarhana | gnarface: tqvm for the info. |
| 03:58.38 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 04:04.03 | tonyb486 | Does nfs in debian use nfsmount.conf ? |
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| 04:06.08 | iluminator101 | is libreoffice in testing? |
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| 04:06.45 | iluminator101 | i mean unstable |
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| 04:07.51 | xuser | probably in experimental |
| 04:08.55 | yoshio | !openjdk |
| 04:08.56 | dpkg | OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:10.10 | pfred1 | what do I do when dpkg-preconfigu dies? |
| 04:10.43 | pfred1 | feels like he is getting preconfigued in this deal |
| 04:10.46 | yoshio | tonyb486, no debian package ships with nfsmount.conf |
| 04:10.52 | yoshio | ,file nfsmount.conf |
| 04:10.55 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 04:11.50 | yoshio | ,versions libreoffice |
| 04:11.53 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- experimental: 1:3.3.0~rc1-1 |
| 04:12.32 | pfred1 | yeah I tried updating this box to squeeze as a lastr resort to get hwaccel video now I know how lab rats must feel |
| 04:12.46 | iluminator101 | i dont mess with experimental, one in a blue unstable but experimental is untouchable |
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| 04:13.01 | yoshio | !tomcat |
| 04:13.01 | dpkg | Apache Tomcat is a reference implementation of the Java Servlet and JavaServer Pages technologies. Packaged for Debian as tomcat5.5 in Lenny and tomcat6 in Squeeze. http://tomcat.apache.org/ http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ #tomcat on irc.freenode.net. See also <mod_jk>. |
| 04:13.38 | pfred1 | iluminator101 I was going to reinstall this box anyways but I figured hey give it a shot now I can't |
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| 04:14.41 | pfred1 | root 11597 0.0 0.0 0 0 pts/0 Z+ 21:05 0:00 [dpkg-preconfigu] <defunct> |
| 04:14.57 | pfred1 | brains! |
| 04:14.58 | yoshio | !pciid 80ee:beef |
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| 04:15.35 | vortexape | can anyone help me.... just wondering what is the best download for debian dvd jigdo or torrent |
| 04:15.38 | pfred1 | skip it lets see how it likes kill -9 |
| 04:16.06 | un214 | <defunct> means it's a zombie |
| 04:16.09 | un214 | it can't die |
| 04:16.15 | un214 | it's already dead |
| 04:16.30 | pfred1 | good point I'll kill its parent |
| 04:16.52 | pfred1 | ha ha it brought it back to life! |
| 04:16.56 | vortexape | hey ... |
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| 04:18.16 | xuser | torrent |
| 04:18.26 | vortexape | may i ask why |
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| 04:20.21 | xuser | it's fast |
| 04:20.37 | pfred1 | xuser liez! |
| 04:20.46 | vortexape | doesn't jigdo work with the same principle |
| 04:21.43 | xuser | I always download the businesscard iso through http :P |
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| 04:22.01 | vortexape | like austrumi |
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| 04:28.58 | row | I have a hdd mounted on another system it is / of old debian install, anyway I can get list of installed packages off it so I can install them on new system? |
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| 04:31.48 | row | /var/lib/apt has stuff hmm that will do for now |
| 04:31.50 | yoshio | row, dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:32.43 | yoshio | row: /usr/share/doc/ has a bunch of directories, one for each package installed |
| 04:32.58 | Dewi | yoshio: that's not very reliable |
| 04:33.07 | Dewi | but I don't have any better ideas |
| 04:33.15 | Dewi | other than run it in a virtual machine, row |
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| 04:34.33 | yoshio | row: /var/lib/dpkg/status - each installed package has a status of "install ok installed" |
| 04:35.31 | row | yoshio: cheers |
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| 04:42.03 | yoshio | Dewi: debian policy says that each package must have a /usr/share/doc/package directory (with copyright info?), and the how to rescue your system mentions the /usr/share/doc thing to get a list of packages |
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| 04:53.39 | Darksmurf | Has anyone here tried neorouter on lenny? I can't connect to the server from another client, but if I install neorouter on a Ubuntu VM I see it create a nrtap network device that I don't see on Debian. So I suspect I'm missing something that neorouter needs. But I can't find what package if_tap.ko is part of. |
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| 04:55.49 | yoshio | ,file if_tap.ko |
| 04:55.53 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 04:57.36 | yoshio | ,versions neorouter |
| 04:57.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'neorouter' was found in i386. |
| 05:01.11 | Darksmurf | :-( |
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| 05:22.39 | rubin110 | Is NFS4 in testing? |
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| 05:27.12 | streuner | amset:/boot# grep -i nfs config-`uname -r` |
| 05:27.30 | streuner | CONFIG_NFS_V4=y |
| 05:27.46 | yoshio | rubin110, /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 says "NFSv4 support in Debian is rather new, and not fully supported yet." |
| 05:27.53 | yoshio | in squeeze |
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| 05:33.02 | streuner | -- Steinar H. Gunderson <sesse@debian.org>, Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:18:03 +0200 |
| 05:33.44 | streuner | yoshio: thats what sesse told in the file, but in 2006 |
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| 05:45.01 | ScottG | How do I change the action of pushing my power button? |
| 05:47.32 | Dewi | ScottG: look in /etc/acpi |
| 05:47.58 | Dewi | ScottG: might differ a bit per hardware but I have a /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn |
| 05:49.04 | ScottG | Dewi: I have a power.sh in there |
| 05:49.20 | ScottG | And powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
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| 05:49.36 | Dewi | ScottG: yeah, you might have to dig around a bit. I don't know anything else about it |
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| 05:54.53 | tsccof | what is the best way for me to get a recent version of wine on debian? |
| 05:56.46 | Dewi | tsccof: wine doesn't look very actively maintained at all on debian. but wine project has debian-specific packages - http://www.winehq.org/download/ |
| 05:57.54 | tsccof | Dewi: thanks! but I guess building from source is still my best bet haha |
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| 06:03.22 | krisvolk | hey guys |
| 06:03.54 | krisvolk | i just connected my debian box, which so far run under DVI, but the monitor broke |
| 06:04.06 | krisvolk | through SVideo, but i can only see the virtual terminals |
| 06:04.12 | krisvolk | and nothing of the X11 |
| 06:04.18 | krisvolk | any directons? |
| 06:04.31 | krisvolk | x11 has the default config, but i got no idea what to put in there |
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| 06:15.55 | polatov | hi, can you help me awith crontab? why it doesn't work? scripts is working. i did check it |
| 06:15.56 | polatov | http://paste.org.ru/?dimdfh |
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| 06:20.56 | nsadmin | polatov, not enough information. what os are you running? which version? which crontab entry is not working? why do you have somthing running every minute of every day? what do you expect to happen? what happens instead? |
| 06:21.14 | krisvolk | which package has the kernel source? |
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| 06:21.49 | nsadmin | sources are in source packages (which come as two or three separate files) |
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| 06:22.23 | krisvolk | ok, which ones should i install using aptitude then? |
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| 06:22.41 | nsadmin | what is your purpose in doing so? |
| 06:23.07 | krisvolk | the ati radeon driver installer wants them |
| 06:23.17 | nsadmin | normally the answer would be "none; there's not a reason to install source except in special circumstances" |
| 06:23.46 | nsadmin | there should be a radeon package |
| 06:24.00 | krisvolk | there is, but it doesn't recognize my SVideo |
| 06:24.15 | krisvolk | the SVideo works.. but not with x11 |
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| 06:24.34 | nsadmin | so, we discover just now, what you actually want is a newer one |
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| 06:24.51 | krisvolk | yep |
| 06:25.47 | nsadmin | so if you want to pursue the kernel source thing, you can apt-get source linux-image-(uname -r) |
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| 06:26.40 | nsadmin | if you want to pursue in the context of debian-supplied kernels, maybe there's one in backports |
| 06:27.04 | yoshio | krisvolk, usually you only need the kernel headers to make modules - linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 06:27.36 | polatov | nsadmin, lines 19-20 aren't working |
| 06:27.38 | krisvolk | yoshio: gotcha |
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| 06:27.54 | polatov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.55 | polatov | Linux documentolog 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:28.00 | nsadmin | and if you want to try building yourself, maybe the package kernel-package (and the script it has called make-kpkg) would be of use |
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| 06:28.37 | nsadmin | what does "aren't working" mean exactly? |
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| 06:29.17 | yoshio | polatov, I have a directory called /var/backups (you don't have the trailing "s"), but I don't have a script called backups |
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| 06:42.14 | MagusOTB | How do I add scripts in /etc/init.d/ to be started at boot? |
| 06:42.25 | MagusOTB | symlink it to /etc/rcn.d? |
| 06:42.29 | MagusOTB | where n is the runlevel I'm on? |
| 06:42.35 | MagusOTB | or is there more to it? |
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| 06:45.56 | yoshio | MagusOTB, if you're on squeeze, you may be using dependency based boot. put your script in /etc/init.d/ , put the LSB header in the file, then run dpkg-reconfigure insserv -- http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
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| 06:46.54 | lhz | where's debians kernel kept? alioth? |
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| 06:52.31 | MagusOTB | yoshio: I think I'm on lenny, but I've got to get off for a bit. I'll be back asking about it later. |
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| 06:59.14 | nsadmin | , info gitorious |
| 06:59.15 | judd | No record of package 'gitorious' in lenny/i386. |
| 07:00.27 | nsadmin | , versions gitorious |
| 07:00.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gitorious' was found in i386. |
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| 07:04.35 | yoshio | lhz: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel nothing in https://alioth.debian.org/projects/kernel/ |
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| 07:06.26 | anisX | hello :) |
| 07:06.58 | anisX | Is it debian 4 safe to use ? |
| 07:07.26 | intx | define safe |
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| 07:07.55 | anisX | intx: any application that attached to it such as apache and so on. |
| 07:08.02 | pfred1 | throw some dirt on Lenny he's stinking up the place! |
| 07:08.23 | intx | define safe |
| 07:08.53 | anisX | blinks and stares at intx |
| 07:09.12 | pfred1 | anisX welcome to aspergers central |
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| 07:10.14 | intx | if you mean whether there are still new security updates released by the debian team for debian 4.0, then no |
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| 07:17.00 | lhz | yoshio: thanks |
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| 07:20.52 | Accelerator | Anyone familiar with any problems on getting inspircd to run in Debian? |
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| 07:21.03 | Accelerator | Whenever I try and start inspircd, it "appears" to start fine. But it doesn't actually start. When I try and stop it, it can't, because the process it thinks it's using doesn't exist. I've removed the .pid file, tripple checked the configs, and everything. It still won't work. - http://pastie.org/private/acluumt8t0aaeqg050dtw What the log files are saying. |
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| 07:21.33 | Accelerator | I've been in the inspircd channel for 3 days and no on apparantly seems to know anything |
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| 07:28.44 | pfred1 | I guess Squeeze has some issues with optical drives? |
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| 07:29.59 | yow | hi, i failed to log in to my yahoo account today and was given this error msg: "Account locked: You have been logging in too frequently.". i wonder if anyone here having the same problem (today?)? is it because some hackers who feel angry about the wikileaks matter, hacking yahoo servers? sorry if i've asked in the wrong place. |
| 07:30.34 | pfred1 | yow I logged into Yahoo once and it went OK for me |
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| 07:32.24 | yoshio | yow: I have that problem sometimes with pidgin. sometimes going to the website, and logging in with your yahoo id, then trying your client will sometimes work |
| 07:33.09 | Accelerator | I couldn't log into MSN on Pidgin a few weeks ago |
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| 07:34.32 | CountDuckula | Accelerator: thats the bloody certificate errors no doubt |
| 07:34.41 | Accelerator | Aye, it was. |
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| 07:34.55 | CountDuckula | mine still plays up |
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| 08:22.22 | Raptors | Does anyone know a stable video editor? |
| 08:22.39 | Raptors | I tried Pitivi and it crashed on my like 20x |
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| 08:30.19 | ali3n0 | hi guys. reading logwatch today I see a bunch of I/O errors like these: http://paste.debian.net/102027/ . Should not the raid1 have broken? |
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| 08:57.52 | anisX | I have apache2 and tomcat5.5 installed in my system , but the application that i need to install required tomcat , anyone can advise me on this matter ? |
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| 08:59.48 | JPT | sounds like you're already done |
| 09:00.00 | JPT | except that it's a dependency thing with tomcat as a meta package |
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| 09:00.13 | JPT | that/when |
| 09:01.15 | anisX | JPT: but i extract the installation file on /usr/share/tomcat5.5/webapps |
| 09:01.32 | anisX | JPT: afaik the apache2 work directory is on /var/www |
| 09:01.37 | JPT | aaah |
| 09:01.40 | JPT | that's the conflict ;) |
| 09:02.01 | JPT | apache2 and apache-tomcat (tomcat5.5) are two entirely different tools |
| 09:02.18 | JPT | apache2 lives in /var/www and serves all the webpages with .html, .php and whatever |
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| 09:02.50 | JPT | the tomcat thing is used for java applications, therefore living in a different directory and serving these apps on a different port (8080 or maybe 8983 (jetty standard) |
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| 09:04.38 | anisX | JPT: i just nmap my machine , and all i can see are ssh is open , 3306 mysql and 8009 ajp13 ( I have no idea what is on port 8009) |
| 09:06.00 | JPT | mh |
| 09:06.07 | bonjoyee | anisX:try netstat -ltunp , it gives all open ports along with name of programs listening |
| 09:06.08 | JPT | netstat -tulpen should tell you :) |
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| 09:07.02 | JPT | but 8009 might be the tomcat... |
| 09:07.09 | anisX | JPT / bonjoyee : http://pastebin.ws/2bjhn4 |
| 09:07.22 | JPT | jsvc |
| 09:07.35 | JPT | you should know that process :) |
| 09:07.50 | JPT | because i don't :) |
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| 09:08.17 | quarkz | Hello gents.. For a 80GB hdd (75GB really)..what size should my swap be? |
| 09:08.30 | JPT | swap size usually is about 2* ramsize |
| 09:08.40 | JPT | sometimes more, sometimes less... |
| 09:08.55 | dondelelcaro | but the ideal swap size really depends on what you're doing and how much memory you have |
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| 09:09.02 | quarkz | so 4GB since i have 2GB ram? |
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| 09:09.17 | JPT | hmm.. 2gb ram is much... so ~1-2gb swap might be enough |
| 09:09.18 | dondelelcaro | quarkz: probably, but since that drive is small, I'd go with 2G or possibly even just 1G |
| 09:09.37 | dondelelcaro | quarkz: you may even just do without, and use a series of swapfiles. |
| 09:09.50 | quarkz | ah |
| 09:10.01 | quarkz | im just unsecure what to use for a netbook |
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| 09:10.13 | quarkz | it should be able to hybernate |
| 09:10.14 | anisX | JPT: Is there any conf file i can check to edit the port ? |
| 09:10.25 | dondelelcaro | quarkz: oh. if you want to hybernate, then yeah, you want a partition, and at least 2G |
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| 09:10.49 | quarkz | i'll do 2GB swap, thanks guys :) |
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| 09:11.20 | JPT | anisX: i don't know ;) The process that uses these ports is called "jsvc". I don't know jsvc. |
| 09:11.21 | quarkz | my swap is 500mb right now |
| 09:11.35 | dondelelcaro | I think you could even do swap on lvm for hybernate... but I'm not certain about that |
| 09:11.37 | quarkz | but i used a 10GB partition |
| 09:11.42 | quarkz | 75 now |
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| 09:13.55 | quarkz | time to boot up parted magic, thanks again :) |
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| 09:28.11 | dimir | NICE |
| 09:28.23 | Ramattack | :) |
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| 09:36.53 | Johmi | Hello. The disk 'ata04.00' is giving me errors in dmesg. How to find out which device this is? |
| 09:37.34 | ali3n0 | Johmi, if I have to guess I'd say it's the 4th sata |
| 09:38.14 | ali3n0 | maybe read dmesg and see if you can devise which is which |
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| 09:39.09 | Johmi | I don't know which the 4th SATA disk is (I have 3 SATA disks, and 3 USB removable ones) |
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| 09:40.49 | Johmi | dmesg | grep ata4 doesn't contain the device mentioned anywhere |
| 09:41.13 | ali3n0 | uh |
| 09:41.25 | ali3n0 | just grep for ata and paste it |
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| 09:44.35 | Johmi | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/303058/ |
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| 10:41.31 | grand_grunt | Hi. I'm trying to detect the scanner of a all-in-one HP printer (b109n-z) with sane tools on Debian Squeeze. Printing works fine, scanner is not detected at all by sane-find-scanner. Any idea? I've read that DBus may be linked to that but I'm not familiar with DBus. |
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| 10:43.15 | demo | im new to linux, but if the hard drives are in different locations, for some reason it screwed up kde and it wont load anymore |
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| 10:44.18 | dimir | xinux? |
| 10:44.20 | dimir | Nice. |
| 10:44.27 | dimir | The more 'x' - the better! |
| 10:44.37 | dimir | xixux |
| 10:44.42 | dimir | \o/ |
| 10:45.01 | grand_grunt | dimir: offtopic, no? |
| 10:45.10 | Xinux | ;P |
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| 10:45.42 | Xinux | i'm thoroughly perplexed. why would removing a hard drives irrelevant to the installation screw anything up? |
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| 10:46.31 | grand_grunt | Xinux: You said KDE was screwed up.. does the computer boot correctly until KDE tries to load? |
| 10:46.40 | Xinux | grand_grunt: correct |
| 10:46.57 | Xinux | and nothing of kde loads correctly |
| 10:47.08 | grand_grunt | Does it say that your $HOME is not found, right after you type in your login/password? |
| 10:47.54 | Xinux | not that im aware |
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| 10:48.10 | Xinux | i did just change the setup of the drive tho |
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| 10:48.32 | djszapi | How can I just download a package, but to not install that ? |
| 10:48.36 | Xinux | i have it in 3 partitions, so i re-partitioned the third part to ext3, but didnt affect the first partition that has the installation on it, and I also removed a 2nd hard drive from the computer |
| 10:48.58 | acemi | djszapi: aptitude install -d package |
| 10:49.00 | grand_grunt | Xinux: just pastebin the content of /etc/fstab, and the result of "mount" command. |
| 10:49.16 | djszapi | acemi: with no aptitude ? |
| 10:49.30 | Xinux | djszapi: apt-get install -d package |
| 10:50.01 | acemi | djszapi: if you now the link, wget link |
| 10:50.07 | acemi | djszapi: if you know the link, wget link |
| 10:50.19 | djszapi | sure, I could figure out if I had time... |
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| 10:50.46 | djszapi | Xinux: that does not work, if the package is already installed. |
| 10:51.07 | grand_grunt | So have a look to /var/cache/apt/archive: .deb s are stored there. |
| 10:51.52 | djszapi | no, it is not. |
| 10:52.29 | grand_grunt | You can download it directly from packages.debian.org, also |
| 10:52.37 | acemi | djszapi: if it's not in archive, apt-get install -d --reinstall package |
| 10:52.38 | iceroot | how to see the changelog of a package? |
| 10:53.00 | Xinux | genkdmconf --help |
| 10:53.07 | Xinux | lol wrong window ;p |
| 10:53.15 | djszapi | grand_grunt: no I cannot, it is not there at all, it is our package. |
| 10:53.24 | djszapi | acemi: that is what I tried yepp and it works. |
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| 10:54.48 | Xinux | grand_grunt: Idk how im gonna pastebin fstab |
| 10:54.58 | Xinux | grand_grunt: unless i log in, make a text file, log out and go back on livecd |
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| 10:55.44 | grand_grunt | Xinux: You can use wgetpaste |
| 10:56.08 | Xinux | grand_grunt: internet is dysfunctional on the boot too |
| 10:57.01 | Xinux | grand_grunt: nvm i got it ;p |
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| 10:57.20 | crissi | hello |
| 10:57.25 | crissi | hello i'm looking for a way to boot a live cd with pae kernel.. does someone know how to enable it on ubuntu live cd? or maybe another livecd with pae kernel? |
| 10:57.55 | Xinux | grand_grunt: http://pastebin.com/VwLACyDE |
| 10:58.57 | anisX | tomcat5 keep failing on debian 5 , anyone can advise me ? |
| 10:59.01 | Benkinooby | hi is debian using the vsystem or the services-system for starting/stoping daemons? |
| 10:59.06 | anisX | and nothing in logs too :/ |
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| 10:59.19 | grand_grunt | Xinux: This is fstab of the LiveCD. Find the fstab of your hard drive system (maybe /mnt/sda1/etc/fstab) |
| 10:59.57 | acemi | Benkinooby: /etc/init.d/service start/stop |
| 11:00.53 | Xinux | grand_grunt: ahh thats my mistake!! thought i was in the /mnt/sda1 directory hehe |
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| 11:01.41 | Xinux | grand_grunt: |
| 11:01.51 | Xinux | grand_grunt: http://pastebin.com/1FD7wQeB |
| 11:02.13 | Benkinooby | acemi, so debian doesn't use the system-v anymore... i can't find any realiable source to verify. |
| 11:02.21 | Xinux | grand_grunt: i can already see whats wrong with it i think haha |
| 11:03.20 | acemi | Benkinooby: i don't know how it's called |
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| 11:05.05 | Benkinooby | acemi, do you have folders called rcX.d in /etc/ ? X stands for numbers 0-6 |
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| 11:07.25 | CyberDomovoy | if i'm root, and "crontab -u foo ..." does foo need to be in /etc/cron.allow? (assuming /etc/cron.allow exists) |
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| 11:11.06 | Xinux | grand_grunt: http://pastebin.com/xMtKeJhN is that okay? |
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| 11:11.44 | [cannibalera] | Good morning guys! I have two servers (centos and debian), and am having a problem with rsync and acl's. |
| 11:11.44 | [cannibalera] | The server is synchronizing the data is centos 5.4 with the version of rsync 2.6.8 and Protocol 29. |
| 11:11.45 | [cannibalera] | The server that is receiving the data is a Debian Lenny 5.0.7, with version 3.0.7 of rsync protocol and 30. |
| 11:12.08 | [cannibalera] | At the time of synchronization (rsync-Avharph / projects / root@192.168.4.1: / projects /) I am getting the following message: - Requires acls protocol 30 or higher (Negotiated 29). rsync error: protocol incompatibility (code 2) at compat.c (200) [receiver = 3.0.7] |
| 11:12.21 | [cannibalera] | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (4 bytes received so far) [sender] rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c (463) [sender = 2.6.8] |
| 11:12.36 | Benkinooby | after some research i am able to ask my question correctly: is debian using upstart? |
| 11:12.49 | grand_grunt | Xinux: I see no /home and no swap, this is weird to me. |
| 11:13.19 | Xinux | grand_grunt: http://pastebin.com/1FD7wQeB that was the original before edits |
| 11:13.50 | Xinux | grand_grunt: if there isnt a home that would definitely explain why kde isnt loading |
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| 11:16.52 | minver | I need to setup my VPS server (running debian), and I want to read a book about it. Good practice for server entertainment. Any ideas or debian/unix books? |
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| 11:18.09 | llutz | minver: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 11:19.04 | acemi | Benkinooby: yes, there are /etc/rcX.d folders |
| 11:19.36 | llutz | Benkinooby: no |
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| 11:19.59 | petemc | you can install upstart if you want |
| 11:19.59 | Benkinooby | acemi, thank you |
| 11:20.16 | Benkinooby | llutz, ok, thank you. is debian planning to change to upstart? |
| 11:20.23 | Xinux | grand_grunt: what would i do to add home and swap? home is on /dev/sda1 |
| 11:20.24 | llutz | i hope it won't |
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| 11:21.07 | Benkinooby | llutz, why? to me the idea of event based service management seems quite attractive. |
| 11:21.12 | llutz | acemi: /etc/rcX.d folders are a sign for sysv-init, not upstart |
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| 11:21.43 | Benkinooby | llutz, i think acemi's yes referst to the exitence of the folders |
| 11:21.46 | llutz | Benkinooby: it is, but imho upstart needs a lot of development before it can be used |
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| 11:23.31 | Benkinooby | llutz, hm... sad thing i'm not such a hacker... i am thinking of going away from ubuntu to debian, due to all their "extra ideas" like unitiy and stuff... but to be honest, i somehow depend on some functions ubuntu provides (those that make it a bit more "userfriendly") |
| 11:24.28 | Benkinooby | petemc, did you install it? |
| 11:24.46 | petemc | i did not, i agree with llutz |
| 11:24.53 | petemc | i like my sysv |
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| 11:26.05 | llutz | Benkinooby: look at the mass with the init-scripts in ubuntu. some are in /etc/init for upstart, some are still (modified) sysv-scripts in /etc/init.d with links to /etc/rcX.d. Some can be managed with update-rc.d, others won't etc.pp. |
| 11:26.33 | Benkinooby | llutz, this is what bothered me all the time |
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| 11:27.51 | bigpresh | I've installed a Xen-capable kernel on a Debian Lenny amd64 box, but it won't boot as it can't mount the root filesystem. The standard kernel works fine, and has an initrd image, whereas the Xen kernel doesn't. Do I need to create an initrd iamge for the Xen kernel? |
| 11:27.55 | bigpresh | If so, what's the best way to do so? |
| 11:28.39 | flaggy | hello. I've got ldap and pam configured and running, but gnome-screensaver doesn't work with it. I've tried coping what's in /etc/pam.d/gdm3 to /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver, but still no luck :( |
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| 11:29.42 | Benkinooby | llutz, i thought, due to the fact that ubuntu started migrating to upstart, debian did too |
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| 11:30.06 | llutz | Benkinooby: i'm not sure, but i heard they prefer systemd for the future |
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| 11:30.56 | flaggy | I'm using squeeze |
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| 11:31.27 | Benkinooby | !systemd |
| 11:31.44 | llutz | http://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
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| 11:33.33 | Benkinooby | llutz, systemd looks good... but seems, like it will take some time until it's standard |
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| 11:33.59 | llutz | Benkinooby: i guess, thats why sysv-init still is in use |
| 11:34.10 | Benkinooby | obviously |
| 11:34.11 | CyberDomovoy | i have nfs on a server, if i want to access multiple directories on it from different points, what is the better? multiple mounts (nfs:/share/foo on /path/to/foo, nfs:/share/bar on /path/to/bar)? or one mount and symlinks (nfs:/share on /path/to/share, /path/to/foo -> /path/to/share/foo, /path/to/bar -> /path/to/share/bar)? why? |
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| 11:37.04 | the_dark_warrio | I'm trying to create multiple .deb packages from one source code. Where can I find reference to do this? My project is ./configure based, and I'm using dh_make |
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| 11:39.44 | echo-area | Does anyone have experience on setting vpnc for cisco vpn? |
| 11:40.07 | echo-area | I got this error: "vpnc: no response from target" |
| 11:40.21 | echo-area | How do I resolve this? |
| 11:42.14 | Benkinooby | echo-area, either the server blocks that port or your login settings are wrong. check your /etc/vpnc/XXX.conf |
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| 11:42.24 | Benkinooby | where XXX is the file that contains the settings |
| 11:42.51 | echo-area | Belthazor: What should I check? |
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| 11:43.26 | echo-area | That file is converted with /usr/share/vpnc/pcf2vpnc |
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| 11:44.46 | Benkinooby | echo-area, i don't know that. but once, this site helped me http://prystash.blogspot.com/2009/09/vpnc-linux-vpnc-no-response-from-target.html |
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| 11:45.12 | echo-area | Benkinooby: Okay thanks. Reading that page. |
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| 11:45.27 | Benkinooby | echo-area, i hope it helps |
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| 11:48.07 | gnarface | the_dark_warrio: check out the checkinstall program for making quick+dirty .debs from source code. if you're not planning on distributing the .deb files outside your own organization its probably sufficient for most cases |
| 11:48.53 | gnarface | the_dark_warrio: although i have never used dh_make with it so i do not know if that will matter |
| 11:49.28 | the_dark_warrio | gnarface: I do intend to distribute, so I wanted to make everything by the standards |
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| 11:50.00 | gnarface | the_dark_warrio: i'm sure there is an official document somewhere on debian.org... maybe in the policy manual? i don't know exactly where |
| 11:51.28 | gnarface | the_dark_warrio: check in here, that's my guess http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 11:52.02 | the_dark_warrio | gnarface: I'm reading it now ;) but I was guessing projects that use autotools had a more automated way |
| 11:52.45 | the_dark_warrio | gnarface: I don't know if the manual says about autotools |
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| 11:56.17 | gnarface | the_dark_warrio: that may be the case, unfortunately i don't know. checkinstall has worked so far for all my purposes so i never looked into it |
| 11:57.37 | the_dark_warrio | gnarface: its ok. I will read the manual so I get the basic definitions of a package. Maybe I can automate the process by my own |
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| 12:09.17 | m0usep0t4t0 | Hello, I have debian and Windows on dual boot. I had to reinstall Windows, and it wiped by MBR. How do I reinstall GRUB2 given that I have /swap, /boot, / partitions. Which partition should I mount to reinstall GRUB? '/' root? |
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| 12:10.21 | jon8 | Hey guys! Anyone know of a script I can use that will force colored text on my terminal window. Such as in PICO, even doing PS AUX .. how can I color the output of these things instead of just having plain text with no color. |
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| 12:11.07 | Benkinooby | jon8 you have to work on your ~/bashrc. |
| 12:11.11 | Benkinooby | jon8 you have to work on your ~/.bashrc |
| 12:11.24 | nsadmin | m0usep0t4t0: you could mount the / partition on /target, and the /boot partn on /target/boot |
| 12:11.50 | jon8 | Benkinooby are their any places available that would have such files available do you know? |
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| 12:12.05 | Benkinooby | jon8 let me paste mine |
| 12:12.08 | m0usep0t4t0 | nsadmin: so I have to mount both, root as well as boot, right? |
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| 12:12.21 | jon8 | Benkinooby that would be awesome, thanks. :) |
| 12:12.24 | nsadmin | yeah, because your grub stuff is on /boot |
| 12:12.31 | Benkinooby | jon8, http://pastebin.com/TRsU0C1B |
| 12:12.54 | nsadmin | but you could also try a rescue |
| 12:12.56 | jon8 | do i have to logout and log back in? |
| 12:13.28 | Benkinooby | jon8 i was playing with the bash coloring recently, so things work but most things i got by copy&paste and trial&error. so there might be redundatnt things but bet try it your sefl. i also wrote down urls that helped me |
| 12:13.46 | nsadmin | no, you don't have to log out/in, but it would be easier if you do |
| 12:14.25 | Benkinooby | jon8, you might also want to have a file ~/.Xdefaults http://pastebin.com/4vcE7mzy |
| 12:14.35 | Benkinooby | jno8 no |
| 12:14.56 | Benkinooby | jon8, no, just after changing, start a new terminal and you're ready |
| 12:15.36 | jon8 | very nice.. ps aux|grep <something> |
| 12:15.37 | jon8 | and it colors the <something> |
| 12:15.45 | jon8 | Benkinooby thank you very much this is exactly what i wanted |
| 12:16.02 | jon8 | does the coloring work with nano/pico when editing a file? |
| 12:16.58 | Benkinooby | jon8 don't know. i use vim and it works. i think they have their own coloring schemes, but i am not sure. i know, that vim is coloring my stuff ;) |
| 12:17.06 | nsadmin | how does grep know to color the output |
| 12:17.13 | jon8 | Benkinooby ok :) |
| 12:17.44 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, as far as i understood, the coloring is made by the terminal emulator, and not the commands |
| 12:17.51 | jon8 | http://tux.50webs.org/tip_nano_highlighting.html |
| 12:18.00 | jon8 | I found this, thanks Benkinooby again! |
| 12:18.16 | nsadmin | the behavior he's describing suggests grep colorizes what he's grepping for |
| 12:18.27 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, this is why you can set different color-settings for different terminal emulators like xterm, urxvt and all the others. |
| 12:19.19 | Benkinooby | jon8, here is my ~/.Xdefaults http://pastebin.com/4vcE7mzy |
| 12:20.04 | Benkinooby | jon8 i don't know i what way Xdefaults and bashrc are interfering, when it comes to colorsettings, but some terminal editors want Xdefaults |
| 12:20.18 | Benkinooby | like urxvt |
| 12:21.05 | nsadmin | Benkinooby, the idea of termcap and terminfo databases is to be able to talk to any terminal and send that terminal (emu) whatever codes it needs to make the display look the same as others |
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| 12:22.41 | nsadmin | so that part is a little different from the grep thing |
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| 12:24.38 | sec_goat | ok i am in /etc/network/interfaces and it says http://pastebin.com/TvNkADry but when i try to ping 192.168.1.3 1.47 says the hst is unreachable. if I change the 2 instances to static instead of dynamic, will my computer take tis address? |
| 12:24.58 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, what you're talking about is above my knowledge/understanding. what is this terminfo database? i used 'man terminfo' but i don't know what it's good for |
| 12:25.04 | mbruins | is there a way to check if i set-up popcon correctly? |
| 12:25.25 | nsadmin | it's a database of terminals |
| 12:25.41 | nsadmin | like vt52, vt100, etc |
| 12:25.50 | Bushmills | sec_goat: sounds more like there's no route to 1.3 on 1.47 |
| 12:26.15 | sec_goat | Bushmills: well I want the address t be 1.3 static instead of dynamic so my port forwarding stops breaking |
| 12:26.29 | nsadmin | and different terminals like to be treated different, so the terminfo and/or termcap databases are used for that. |
| 12:26.35 | nsadmin | echo $TERM |
| 12:26.37 | Bushmills | then don't use dhcp |
| 12:27.00 | Benkinooby | benedict@box:/etc$ echo $TERM |
| 12:27.00 | Benkinooby | rxvt-unicode |
| 12:27.23 | Benkinooby | i tought xterm is a terminal emulator too |
| 12:27.27 | nsadmin | so the name rxvt-unicode is looked up in the terminfo database, and |
| 12:27.34 | nsadmin | (yes, it is) |
| 12:27.53 | Benkinooby | i have it installed, why isn't it listed? |
| 12:28.08 | Bushmills | (or set up dhcp server to assign static address to interface with that MAC) |
| 12:28.19 | nsadmin | whatever special codes for certain keys need to be output to the terminal, it does |
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| 12:28.41 | sec_goat | Bushmills: right, when i asked yesterday how not to use DHCP they tell me "man interfaces" man interfaces tells me to edit this file. . . So if i change the instance of dhcp to static in my interfaces file will it drop 1.47 and take that 1.3? |
| 12:28.55 | nsadmin | when you typed in "echo $TERM", what program did you type it into? |
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| 12:29.09 | Bushmills | then they forgot to tell you that you should also *read* what man interfaces shows |
| 12:29.25 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, into a urxvt |
| 12:29.31 | nsadmin | right |
| 12:29.33 | sec_goat | Bushmills: ok, sorry I will go back and finish reading, thanks :) |
| 12:29.42 | Benkinooby | ah, ok |
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| 12:29.52 | Benkinooby | if i type it to xterm, i get xterm |
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| 12:30.06 | nsadmin | and it's the shell's TERM var that has the terminal type |
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| 12:30.36 | anisX | Hello again. |
| 12:30.48 | anisX | Is it safe to remove perl from the system ? |
| 12:30.57 | abrotman | not likely .. try it and see |
| 12:31.07 | nsadmin | you could hook up a serial line to a -real- terminal, which is a big, heavy thing with a builtin crt (if it's -newer-) or printer (if it's before the time of -video- terminals) |
| 12:31.19 | anisX | abrotman: Is there any connection apt-get with perl ? |
| 12:31.28 | sep | nsadmin, i ahve 15 where do you want them ? |
| 12:31.36 | abrotman | anisX: you can check yourself .. aptitude why perl |
| 12:31.43 | Benkinooby | jon8, look at my last lines of the bashrc! the title will be changed to the command you're running! very nice if you have a lot of terminal open. disapble it, by commenting out |
| 12:31.45 | sep | maybe only half of them still works |
| 12:31.45 | acemi | anisX: aptitude why perl |
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| 12:32.02 | nsadmin | sep: how far apart are we, and which direction from me to you? |
| 12:32.11 | anisX | abrotman / acemi : -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 12:32.15 | sep | rural norway |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | anisX: so install it? |
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| 12:32.32 | anisX | installing.. |
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| 12:32.49 | nsadmin | take that vector which starts from me to you, and move its origin so it starts from you... |
| 12:32.54 | abrotman | anisX: if you're running much on your system, perl is going to be needed by something .. if it's very minimal, you may not need it |
| 12:33.09 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i am still so confued about all this X, X11, X.Org, xserver, startx, xinit, terminal emulator, virutal terminal terminology. |
| 12:33.12 | nsadmin | when you get to its end, it will be twice the distance from me to you... you can leave them there! |
| 12:33.15 | anisX | abrotman: most of exploits made by perl |
| 12:33.16 | jelly | anisX: you can't remove perl-base though |
| 12:33.27 | abrotman | anisX: whatever you say .. |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | anisX: likely you'll have issues if you remove perl .. |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | tries to think of the last perl related DSA ... |
| 12:33.56 | nsadmin | Benkinooby: there's a lot there; no wonder you're feeling overwhelmed |
| 12:34.05 | anisX | abrotman: yes right , i read some articles in google just now. |
| 12:34.13 | jelly | anisX: you can't remove /usr/bin/perl if that's what you're after. |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | anisX: dated when ? stop trying to do that .. you're going to break something |
| 12:34.52 | nsadmin | you -shouldn't- remove it and expect your system to keep working (and this includes apt/dpkg/certain package installs) |
| 12:34.54 | abrotman | anisX: which article did you read that said you should remove perl? What's the URL ? |
| 12:35.03 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, just to get that straigt: a virtual terminal is what you get when you ctrl-alt-fX and a terminal emulator is all the command line emulator stuff, you use when running on X? |
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| 12:35.58 | nsadmin | well, the "virtual terminals" originated as kernel code near the beginning of time... (aka 1994 or so :) |
| 12:36.02 | anisX | abrotman: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-12/3898.html |
| 12:36.10 | abrotman | anisX: 2004?! |
| 12:36.20 | Benkinooby | anisX, if you want a secure system, may look out for "hardened" versions of debian... i am sure you'll find one |
| 12:36.22 | anisX | abrotman: well at least i'm doing my homework sir |
| 12:36.49 | nsadmin | right, the virtual terminal code in the kernel is meant as one of the many terminals linux can use |
| 12:36.55 | abrotman | anisX: no, you're not .. the link tells you that you cannot remove perl-base .. |
| 12:37.05 | nsadmin | in fact, those virtual terminals have TERM=linux |
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| 12:37.30 | anisX | abrotman: yes i know that. |
| 12:37.57 | anisX | Benkinooby: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ , i guess this one. |
| 12:37.59 | abrotman | anisX: do whatever you want .. don't expect much to work |
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| 12:38.29 | abrotman | anisX: the securing debian manual tells you want to remove .. and tells you that things will break |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | s/want/what/ |
| 12:38.51 | Bushmills | most problems with perl should arise from webservers set up in a dangerous way. not as cause, but as consequential problem, by another reason. |
| 12:38.58 | nsadmin | anisX: btw, exploits can be written in any language... basic, c, perl, python, sh, bash, ... |
| 12:39.03 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, so the virtual terminal is again just a program to access ther kernel? |
| 12:39.06 | anisX | abrotman: Why you seem mad at me ? :/ |
| 12:39.12 | anisX | nsadmin: yes i noticed that sir. |
| 12:39.24 | abrotman | anisX: because you're going through a lot of work to make your system non-functional |
| 12:39.38 | nsadmin | Benkinooby, well no, it's meant as a terminal for linux |
| 12:39.48 | nsadmin | Benkinooby, it predates X on linux |
| 12:39.49 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, and they named it "virtual termial" because back then, they designed it after the "hardware"-terminal (those with crt) |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | anisX: and you're asking us about it .. if you want to do it .. just do it |
| 12:40.08 | anisX | abrotman: sorry |
| 12:40.11 | anisX | steps back. |
| 12:40.36 | abrotman | anisX: just make sure you have a backup of your important data before you do it |
| 12:40.39 | Bushmills | if one can locally execute commands, he can also download a version of perl |
| 12:40.56 | nsadmin | Benkinooby, well the idea of the virtual terminals (note plural) was to have more than one of them |
| 12:41.06 | nsadmin | you could alt-Fx |
| 12:41.26 | nsadmin | used to be, there was one on all 12 alt-fn keys |
| 12:41.38 | nsadmin | and some people configured like 60 vts |
| 12:41.53 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, but all of the type "linux" |
| 12:41.58 | nsadmin | yes |
| 12:42.10 | nsadmin | the terminal type didn't change |
| 12:42.13 | xingu | nsadmin: so there you go, not everything spawned by xenix was pure evil. :) |
| 12:42.19 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, can different types of terminals be used for linux instead of the "linux" terminal |
| 12:42.39 | nsadmin | yes, like rxvts, xterms, real terminals |
| 12:43.13 | nsadmin | big boat anchors that sep has above his head right now :) |
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| 12:44.25 | Benkinooby | sep = your name? |
| 12:44.37 | nsadmin | no, he's in norway, I'm in calif |
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| 12:46.12 | Benkinooby | and these terminal, real (like vt100) or emulated (rxvt) are they "replacing" the "linux"terminal or are they just passing the input they get to the "linux"terminal |
| 12:46.37 | Benkinooby | if i say "linux"i mean a terminal, which has $TERM = linux |
| 12:46.43 | nsadmin | they are completely separate programs |
| 12:47.00 | dondelelcaro | it's not a real terminal unless you plug it in with a serial cable |
| 12:47.24 | nsadmin | that's not a real terminal... it's a real heavy terminal!! |
| 12:47.46 | Bushmills | setting TERM determines into what terminal control sequences to translate things like cursor movements, screen clearing, color changes etc |
| 12:48.01 | xingu | throws a rfc2217-compliant terminal at dondelelcaro |
| 12:48.22 | xingu | don't think I won't! :) |
| 12:48.29 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro, i understood that, thanks... wasn't so obvious to me for some time ;) please don't take be for stupid when asking this questions, taking care aabout every detail, but to me it seems, that this is the only apropiate way to understand that big topic |
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| 12:49.23 | Benkinooby | Bushmills, this is, why in the bashrc often a 'if $TERM' is stated. to determine what i am woring wiht |
| 12:49.25 | Benkinooby | with |
| 12:49.38 | nsadmin | programs like telnet/telnetd and ssh/sshd would send the terminal type (TERM var) to the remote |
| 12:50.13 | Bushmills | oh, and the character sequences of "complex" keys are also affected. function keys, for example. |
| 12:50.35 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: pretty much, though normally all of that is handled for you by libraries like ncurses and the ilk |
| 12:50.41 | nsadmin | different terminals have different key sequences for FN keys |
| 12:50.55 | nsadmin | and other keys, like Bushmills says |
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| 12:52.10 | Benkinooby | hm, when i ssh to a computer, i get as $TERM the terminal type i use to ssh in |
| 12:52.43 | Benkinooby | i expected to get back 'linux' |
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| 12:53.41 | Raptors | Is there a way to detect what bitrate a video is in debian? |
| 12:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Benkinooby: because the programs running on the remote machine need to know what escapes to send, and what keycodes to accept |
| 12:53.45 | Bushmills | yeah, the terminal you sit behind - there you enter keys, and the receiving end must know what they represent. |
| 12:54.08 | Benkinooby | dondelelcaro, ah, that# |
| 12:54.15 | carandraug | could anyone advice on a set up for file sharing. I was considering NFS but there's no password, I'd have to give IP or hostnames which would be too many. I've set a server on my lab on a university. IP address are given by DHCP so I can't use them. I have a large HD and would like users to mount the filesystem and use it to save their files so it can be shared between themselves. |
| 12:54.16 | dondelelcaro | Raptors: using mplayer, etc... but almost everything nowadays uses variable bitrate encodings |
| 12:54.20 | Benkinooby | that's the fuzz about those escape charakters! |
| 12:55.02 | xingu | Benkinooby: both telnet and ssh support passing environment variables from client to server; typically TERM is one of those passed. |
| 12:55.09 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: so use dynamic dns and ftp or smb or ssh or whatever you want |
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| 12:56.23 | carandraug | dondelelcaro, can you recommend one over the other? Considering that the users are 2 Linux, 10 Windows and 20 Mac OSX? |
| 12:57.24 | nsadmin | Benkinooby: when you did ssh to that other computer, you were typing the ssh command into? |
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| 12:58.18 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i sued urxvt and xterm. both of them gave back their own $TERM after the ssh login |
| 12:58.28 | Benkinooby | sued=use |
| 12:58.30 | Benkinooby | used |
| 12:58.32 | Benkinooby | -.- |
| 12:58.45 | nsadmin | right. but let's look a bit closer... |
| 12:58.56 | nsadmin | when you starte the urxvt |
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| 12:59.03 | nsadmin | it started another program |
| 12:59.18 | nsadmin | ( Benkinooby, guess what it was) |
| 12:59.29 | Benkinooby | are you sepaking about my local computer or the remote one? |
| 12:59.43 | nsadmin | on your local, when you first started the urxvt |
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| 13:00.30 | nsadmin | hint: why, in your urxvt, do you have this thing that prints when you hit enter, that ends with $ |
| 13:00.33 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, are you speaking about that pts |
| 13:00.58 | Benkinooby | ? |
| 13:01.02 | nsadmin | nope, that's a device (which I'm not completely sure how it works) |
| 13:01.28 | nsadmin | hint: why, in your xterm, do you have this thing that prints when you hit enter, that ends with $ |
| 13:02.08 | Benkinooby | hahahaha, welcome to the land of doubt :D.... fun aside... are you speaking about the prompt? |
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| 13:02.22 | nsadmin | yes, why do you have a prompt? |
| 13:02.33 | nsadmin | what program is writing out that prompt? |
| 13:02.39 | Benkinooby | bash |
| 13:02.45 | nsadmin | very good. |
| 13:02.46 | Benkinooby | or any other *sh |
| 13:02.46 | nsadmin | so: |
| 13:02.52 | nsadmin | yes... |
| 13:03.18 | nsadmin | when you start a terminal emulator, the terminal emulator starts a shell for you |
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| 13:03.46 | nsadmin | if it didn't do that, the terminal emulator screen would be blank, and your typing wouldn't do anything |
| 13:03.56 | mbruins | is there a way for me to check if i set-up popcon correctly on my server? |
| 13:04.14 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, sounds reasonable... i'm following |
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| 13:05.01 | nsadmin | so, the virtual terminals do the same thing (after receiving your login name and password, the next thing that happens is it runs your login shell |
| 13:05.23 | Benkinooby | $SHELL |
| 13:05.31 | Benkinooby | sry, wrong window.. |
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| 13:06.02 | nsadmin | no, your login shell is named by the last field in your /etc/passwd file entry |
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| 13:07.04 | Benkinooby | i just read $SHELL in 'man xterm' and wanted to try it... anyways, i don't get output from it... |
| 13:07.19 | Benkinooby | so, the virtual terminals do the same thing -> what same thing? nsadmin |
| 13:07.20 | anisX | where is abrotman ? |
| 13:07.33 | nsadmin | there was a time when no one had unix or linux on their home computers, and had to use a phone and modem under dos or macos |
| 13:07.47 | nsadmin | so, the virtual terminals do the same thing (after receiving your login name and password, the next thing that happens is it runs your login shell |
| 13:08.29 | Benkinooby | ah, you mean they are starting a shell too |
| 13:08.40 | nsadmin | yes |
| 13:09.00 | abrotman | anisX: huh ? |
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| 13:09.15 | nsadmin | now, consider what happens when you're running that urxvt and you ssh to another computer |
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| 13:09.41 | kj4 | hello all |
| 13:09.42 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, if i do echo $SHELL i get the currently (in that specific virtual terminal) used shell |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: FWIW, the AT&T Unix PC is really old, and had a modem |
| 13:09.54 | kj4 | is 6 ready? |
| 13:10.14 | abrotman | or could use a modem |
| 13:10.18 | abrotman | kj4: /topic |
| 13:10.48 | nsadmin | 6 is ready to run because 789! |
| 13:11.02 | jelly | !spank nsadmin |
| 13:11.02 | dpkg | bends nsadmin over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 13:11.31 | Benkinooby | i ofter heard, that the debian folks are hard, cruel guys :D |
| 13:11.41 | xingu | remembers when terminals were still called glass teletypes |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | the UnixPC predates most people having a computer at home at all .. Think around Apple //e era |
| 13:11.52 | nsadmin | we are, and don't you fergit it! |
| 13:12.03 | kj4 | rigid taskmasters, but thats what it takes |
| 13:12.03 | jelly | Benkinooby: that's patently untrue. There are Debian people of all genders. |
| 13:12.39 | xingu | hands up anyone else who's built and used a radio teletype? :) |
| 13:12.43 | nsadmin | abrotman, and probably cost nintythousandmillion dollars and your firstborn godzilla puppy |
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| 13:12.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: No idea, but they weren't very fun to use :) |
| 13:13.15 | Benkinooby | jelly, sorry, for forgetting about gender equality . |
| 13:13.28 | nsadmin | xingu: built? no, used the old ones, yes |
| 13:14.21 | nsadmin | I did, however, build an AM cw tranceiver |
| 13:14.37 | nsadmin | and got help aligning it :) |
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| 13:15.22 | anisX | abrotman: Is there any site that i can test the 'security' of my box ? |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | anisX: "security" is vague |
| 13:15.57 | abrotman | anisX: what part of the security of the system do you want to inspect? |
| 13:15.58 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, so when ssh, i am opening a new shell on the remote computer with my terminal |
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| 13:16.13 | anisX | abrotman: like apache , sshd , smtp and so on. |
| 13:16.22 | nsadmin | Benkinooby, yes. |
| 13:16.27 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 13:17.07 | nsadmin | and the remote shell, which has env vars like PATH and TERM, has its TERM set from your local terminal |
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| 13:17.43 | abrotman | anisX: there are known exploits .. what else do you want to check? SQL injection? open relay? |
| 13:18.00 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, exactly, to know what escape characters to send to my mterminal |
| 13:18.01 | mzb | hi everyone, I'm trying to write a script that runs scanimage and pipes into zenity for progress. The problem is that scanimage pipes the scan to stdout, and the progress to stderr. How do I get zenity to read the stderr output from scanimage? |
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| 13:18.11 | nsadmin | in the phone/modem scenario, when you could call into a remote unix machine, it would sometimes act really funny |
| 13:18.18 | anisX | abrotman: SQL injection ? I don't have any web-application install or MySQL installed on my system sir. |
| 13:18.20 | nsadmin | garbage chars everywhere |
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| 13:18.32 | nsadmin | until you set TERM correctly on the remote shell |
| 13:18.40 | nsadmin | then it looked fine |
| 13:18.59 | mzb | (I've tried piping to files and FIFOs without success) |
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| 13:19.21 | abrotman | anisX: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 13:19.26 | nsadmin | other than that, this phone/modem thing is not too diffent from an ssh to a remote machine |
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| 13:19.42 | Benkinooby | so export $TERM=foo (on the remote computer) will mess up the symbols sent to my terminal? |
| 13:19.59 | nsadmin | export TERM=foo |
| 13:20.12 | Benkinooby | le'me try |
| 13:20.14 | nsadmin | and yes, it won't know what terminal you have |
| 13:20.41 | Benkinooby | command not found... maybe i need su rights |
| 13:20.57 | nsadmin | no, you probably mistyped it |
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| 13:21.29 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>export TERM=foo |
| 13:21.30 | Benkinooby | export: Command not found. |
| 13:21.43 | nsadmin | echo $SHELL |
| 13:22.03 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>echo $SHELL |
| 13:22.04 | Benkinooby | /bin/tcsh |
| 13:22.25 | Benkinooby | ct@box:~$ echo $SHELL |
| 13:22.26 | Benkinooby | /bin/bash |
| 13:22.38 | nsadmin | I think on csh it's setenv TERM whatever |
| 13:22.43 | Benkinooby | so on my local one i run bash, on the remote one i run tcsh |
| 13:23.02 | nsadmin | it probably has bash on the remote |
| 13:23.27 | Benkinooby | trying setenv (man find's it) |
| 13:23.48 | anisX | abrotman: thank you for the tips sir :) |
| 13:24.47 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, can i pm you so that i don't flood the channel? |
| 13:25.06 | nsadmin | why would you flood me in pm? :) |
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| 13:25.59 | Benkinooby | no, i want to paste some lines from 'man setenv' and ask you about it... because pastebin always has those chaptas and stuff |
| 13:26.14 | cafaro | Where can I change the background/theme of my login screen (in Squeeze)? I'm using GDM. |
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| 13:26.32 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/TzD5cBre |
| 13:27.09 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i pasted it... 'setenv TERM foo' |
| 13:27.11 | Benkinooby | oh, now works |
| 13:27.12 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 13:27.37 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>setenv TERM foo |
| 13:27.37 | Benkinooby | tcsh: No entry for terminal type "foo" |
| 13:27.37 | Benkinooby | tcsh: using dumb terminal settings. |
| 13:28.10 | nsadmin | try setenv TERM vt100 |
| 13:28.19 | nsadmin | but it's kinda like an rxvt |
| 13:28.26 | Benkinooby | btw, what happens to the shell, that was used by the vt on my local machine? |
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| 13:28.48 | nsadmin | a variable on that shell changed value (specifically TERM) |
| 13:28.50 | Benkinooby | setenv TERM vt100 works... no complaints |
| 13:29.02 | nsadmin | wait, no |
| 13:29.11 | nsadmin | that doesn';t happen on your local shell |
| 13:29.26 | nsadmin | in fact, nothing happens to your local shell |
| 13:29.40 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>echo $TERM |
| 13:29.40 | Benkinooby | vt100 |
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| 13:30.11 | nsadmin | try setenv TERM ansi |
| 13:30.22 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i know nothing happens, because the terminal emulator is "working on" the remote shell... but does the local shell get suspended? how does it recover its state before i ssh? |
| 13:30.52 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>setenv TERM ansi |
| 13:30.52 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>echo $TERM |
| 13:30.52 | Benkinooby | ansi |
| 13:30.55 | nsadmin | it is its own process, which is "frozen" |
| 13:30.59 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 13:31.16 | nsadmin | does it look weird at all? |
| 13:31.25 | Benkinooby | nope |
| 13:31.35 | Benkinooby | output works fine |
| 13:31.43 | nsadmin | do you haev a longish text file? |
| 13:32.00 | nsadmin | in your remote |
| 13:32.08 | Benkinooby | some cpp files |
| 13:32.14 | Benkinooby | pdf |
| 13:32.21 | nsadmin | try less something.cpp |
| 13:32.26 | Benkinooby | cat? |
| 13:32.31 | nsadmin | no, less |
| 13:32.33 | Benkinooby | ok |
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| 13:33.16 | Benkinooby | it#s maybe about 50 lines... no prob at all |
| 13:33.18 | Benkinooby | fine to read |
| 13:33.30 | nsadmin | so nothing looks weird? |
| 13:33.47 | nsadmin | see it could, if the key sequences are so different |
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| 13:34.47 | Benkinooby | yes |
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| 13:35.14 | glicks | hey has anyone used the youtube rental feature? |
| 13:35.22 | Benkinooby | i knwo what you want to say luckly/unluckly the seem to have quite simila escape chars... |
| 13:35.41 | Benkinooby | so less uses escape chars and cat does not |
| 13:35.44 | Benkinooby | ? |
| 13:36.40 | nsadmin | right, cat just sticks the file chars directly on stdout |
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| 13:37.04 | nsadmin | no translation, no nothign |
| 13:37.06 | Benkinooby | this is why i can scoll with less, while cat cant |
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| 13:37.29 | nsadmin | right |
| 13:37.31 | Benkinooby | (unless i scroll the shell history) |
| 13:37.38 | nsadmin | cat isn't for that |
| 13:38.07 | nsadmin | in fact cat is really short for catenate or concatenate |
| 13:38.26 | nsadmin | and what it does is shove a bunch of files down stdout's troat |
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| 13:38.34 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 13:38.40 | nsadmin | in the order you tell it to |
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| 13:39.18 | nsadmin | one of the more interesting things it can do, try cat -n whatever.cpp |
| 13:39.24 | Benkinooby | does 'ls' implicitly use 'cat'? |
| 13:39.34 | nsadmin | no |
| 13:39.52 | Psi-Jack | Alright guys. I need someone that knows Linux's networking facilities pretty well, specifically in regards to proxy_arp, and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/<interface>/proxy_arp. I understand arp itself is deprecated, so what used to be "arp -i <interface> -Ds <ip> <interface> pub", but I want to know exactly how using automagic proxy arp is better or worse than manual designation. |
| 13:40.02 | nsadmin | ls also just sends its output to stdout |
| 13:40.09 | Benkinooby | thought it might me (due to linux' "everything is a file"-ideology) |
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| 13:40.50 | nsadmin | you can look at the output of ls as a "file" |
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| 13:42.25 | Benkinooby | hm, so now that terminals, and shell are something separate... what do i exactly change, when i ctrl-alt-fX ... on fX where i run my gui, is there still a shell? (guess no) and what is special about the login shell? |
| 13:42.39 | nsadmin | but not in the sense of "a bunch of bytes sitting on a disk" |
| 13:42.50 | Benkinooby | n@tardis-c12:~>logout |
| 13:42.51 | Benkinooby | Not a login shell. |
| 13:42.53 | Benkinooby | wow! |
| 13:43.20 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, more in the way how i can use it (like '>') ? |
| 13:43.45 | nsadmin | right |
| 13:44.07 | nsadmin | so in the sense of "a sequence of bytes" |
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| 13:45.06 | nsadmin | at this point, it might be useful to look at processes more closely |
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| 13:46.05 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, hm, after i changed TERM it took me 2 attempts to log out.. logout doesn't work. and exit has to be repeated, while the terminal, that didn't change the $TERM was able to logout on exit emmediatly |
| 13:47.05 | nsadmin | these sequences of bytes can come out of programs as streams... the bytes come in, or go out, one byte at a time |
| 13:47.21 | nsadmin | in specific order |
| 13:47.45 | nsadmin | so, when you run ls, you get a bunch of bytes that come out |
| 13:48.00 | nsadmin | and when (as a person) you read those bytes, |
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| 13:48.07 | nsadmin | you see that it's a list of files |
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| 13:48.29 | CVoodoo | debin debian debain |
| 13:48.59 | nsadmin | is going to find DebiAn |
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| 13:49.21 | nsadmin | she may be cute, but doesn't like her name misspelled :P |
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| 13:49.45 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 13:49.45 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 13:51.45 | Benkinooby | hm, funny... a xterm will open a new pts while rxvt doesn't (using 'who') |
| 13:52.11 | Benkinooby | better 'w' |
| 13:54.14 | Benkinooby | what makes the difference in running a shell as login shell? |
| 13:54.54 | nsadmin | well the difference in the shell itself... if the shell is a login shell, it will read .profile or .bash_profile |
| 13:55.04 | Benkinooby | is the login shell just the "default" shell |
| 13:55.07 | nsadmin | if it's a non-login shell, it will read .bashrc |
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| 13:55.20 | nsadmin | it's what you get when you log in |
| 13:55.31 | Benkinooby | when, or AFTER login? |
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| 13:56.14 | nsadmin | well, you log in, if successful, it starts the shell at the end of your passwd line, as a login shell |
| 13:56.28 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 13:56.42 | Benkinooby | so the login prompt is a different story... |
| 13:56.52 | Benkinooby | ? |
| 13:57.46 | nsadmin | well you set PS1 either in .bash_profile or .bashrc (for bash, remember, not something like csh/tcsh) |
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| 13:58.16 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, just read that the different shells have different config files |
| 13:58.33 | nsadmin | if you do man bash |
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| 13:58.39 | nsadmin | and go to the FILES section |
| 13:58.52 | nsadmin | it tells you what files it reads under which conditions |
| 13:59.09 | nsadmin | like, which ones exist, login shell or not, etc |
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| 13:59.18 | Benkinooby | i used 'man bash' at least 10 times yesterday... now the title of my terminal shows the command i am running :D |
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| 13:59.56 | nsadmin | do you know about the default char streams on every process? |
| 14:00.02 | Benkinooby | might be, that i didn't made it to the file sections, or just scimmed over it |
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| 14:00.04 | Benkinooby | no |
| 14:00.21 | Benkinooby | what's that? |
| 14:00.29 | nsadmin | every process starts out with three streams |
| 14:00.43 | nsadmin | one goes into the process, two come out |
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| 14:01.20 | nsadmin | if you consider an ls process |
| 14:01.39 | nsadmin | the file listing is output on one of these streams |
| 14:01.56 | Benkinooby | and the other output stream |
| 14:01.58 | Benkinooby | ? |
| 14:02.08 | nsadmin | any error message that ls would want to say would be output on the other |
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| 14:03.12 | CVoodoo | the integral of sinh(x) is the same as its derivate. except the integral gets the +C of course. I think it's fascinating. What other function does this occur other than e^x |
| 14:03.49 | nsadmin | I think that's it |
| 14:04.05 | Bop | how do upgrade only 1 package ? |
| 14:04.18 | Benkinooby | how are these "things" called, i switch with ctrl-alt-fX? |
| 14:04.21 | nsadmin | aptitude install thatonepackage |
| 14:04.24 | Benkinooby | screens? |
| 14:04.29 | Bop | hmm |
| 14:04.35 | nsadmin | virtual terminals |
| 14:05.02 | nsadmin | so your X is usually on vt7 |
| 14:05.27 | Benkinooby | hm, but i can ctrl-alt-fX to a playe, where i have a blank screen.. is that a vt without bash? |
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| 14:05.44 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, yes |
| 14:05.47 | robuster | hi |
| 14:06.17 | Benkinooby | i have shell on f1-f4 f5, f6 enmpty, f7 fluxbox |
| 14:06.21 | robuster | i ordered a new vps with Debian 5, and somehow it seems broken, commands like who/whoami/whereis does not exist |
| 14:06.32 | Benkinooby | f8-12 empty |
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| 14:06.40 | robuster | is my install broken or is there a way to install all core files without reinstalling? |
| 14:07.05 | nsadmin | could be, yes. if you look at your /etc/inittab, you'll see where it starts something called getty on the vts |
| 14:07.16 | Wyzard | robuster: /usr/bin/who is in the coreutils package... check that that's installed |
| 14:07.34 | robuster | it doesnt exist |
| 14:07.58 | Wyzard | "dpkg -s coreutils" says it's not installed? |
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| 14:08.19 | Benkinooby | cat: /etc/inittab: No such file or directory |
| 14:08.19 | Benkinooby | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.23 | nsadmin | isn't coreutils required/base? |
| 14:08.30 | robuster | dpkg command not found |
| 14:08.30 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 14:08.32 | nsadmin | oh, you have upstart |
| 14:08.36 | robuster | apt-get isnt found either |
| 14:08.42 | Wyzard | nsadmin: Yes, it's essential |
| 14:08.43 | jelly | Benkinooby: try asking in #ubuntu or ##linux, then |
| 14:08.49 | glicks | can you download the youtube rental movies? |
| 14:09.08 | Benkinooby | jelly, i didn't ask for any ubuntu specific support. |
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| 14:09.28 | robuster | not even 'id' is working |
| 14:09.33 | jelly | Benkinooby: you just realized you did. |
| 14:09.44 | nsadmin | that is true, nothing we did touched ubuntu specifically |
| 14:10.06 | Wyzard | robuster: Complain to your VPS provider that the OS isn't installed properly |
| 14:10.14 | Benkinooby | maybe my last few lines gave the wrong impression |
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| 14:10.36 | nsadmin | you must run upstart |
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| 14:10.48 | nsadmin | which debian is currently playing with |
| 14:10.54 | Benkinooby | gm, getty will be the next thing causeing me some sleepless hours.... looking at the man later... |
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| 14:11.28 | nsadmin | why? you don't need to play with getty |
| 14:11.50 | djura-san | o// ¤¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ |
| 14:12.23 | Benkinooby | ah, ok, i see what getty is |
| 14:12.29 | Raptors | How do I stop xvidenc from shrinking my video and putting a blackborder around it? |
| 14:12.33 | nsadmin | getty is just the thing that waits for the login name and then runs login |
| 14:12.40 | Raptors | shrinking my 720p video |
| 14:13.00 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i just had a look at the first few man lines... |
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| 14:14.17 | nsadmin | only reason I can think of for playing with getty is if you want to let people call your computer on the phone and possibly leave a fax |
| 14:14.19 | Raptors | http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6060/vlcsnap2010121009h13m13.png |
| 14:14.21 | Benkinooby | i think i once told my computer only to run getty on f1-4 |
| 14:14.38 | Raptors | I'm so lost :( |
| 14:14.59 | Wyzard | Benkinooby: It does that by default |
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| 14:15.09 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, I missed the "only" |
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| 14:15.47 | nsadmin | well I think it's very cool that you got so much awesome and hopefully useful info... I'm going to sleep now :) |
| 14:16.23 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, i have to go too 1^10 thanks for your time and patience |
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| 14:16.35 | Benkinooby | was worth more than 100 man-pages |
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| 14:18.31 | Benkinooby | i think with the gained knowledge i can spend my time on other questions (of wich i have more than enough)... i think many people lack of experince coming from the "olden days" where everything has it's roots (like al that terminal stuff) |
| 14:18.31 | Wyzard | Benkinooby: 1^10 is still 1 :-P |
| 14:18.36 | Benkinooby | argh! |
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| 14:18.43 | Benkinooby | i missed a 0 |
| 14:18.44 | Benkinooby | ! |
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| 14:19.24 | mbruins | how can i check i installed popcon correctly on my server? (please highlight me) i have so much channels |
| 14:19.26 | Benkinooby | nsadmin, please correct 1^10 to 10^00 thanks to Wyzard |
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| 14:21.39 | jelly | 1^10 is 11, Wyzard |
| 14:22.51 | petern_ | 11? |
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| 14:23.22 | jelly | of course, what else |
| 14:23.37 | nsadmin | 110! |
| 14:23.41 | DotHack | Hi! |
| 14:23.51 | DotHack | I dont have a debian specific question but maybe you guys can help me |
| 14:23.59 | jelly | petern_: echo $(( 1^10 )) |
| 14:24.20 | jelly | petern_: what else would you expect from a binary XOR operator |
| 14:24.26 | petern_ | :) |
| 14:24.33 | DotHack | Im trying to use iperf to do some bandwidth tests but when using iperf -s -w 2M it reports a windows size of 220k, while i requested 2M |
| 14:24.54 | DotHack | anyone knows where to find where the tcp max window size it being limited? |
| 14:25.18 | xingu | sysctl {r,w}mem_max from memory. |
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| 14:25.57 | pipeline | DotHack: tcp window/buffer sizes are all sysctls |
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| 14:27.03 | avuton | chromium-browser is age old, even unstable. Anyone know a recent repository for it? |
| 14:27.05 | rzeka | Any1 knows good free replacement for DireactADmin to administrate the system or just to configure exim to receive mail :) (webmin fails)? |
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| 14:28.27 | abrotman | rzeka: exim has decent documentation |
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| 14:29.11 | rzeka | abrotman, I failed with it anyway :( That's why I am looking for some web based config tools |
| 14:29.16 | jelly | !exim4 reconfigure |
| 14:29.16 | dpkg | exim4 reconfigure is probably dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | !drec |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:29.30 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 14:29.32 | rzeka | jelly, faild with it :) |
| 14:29.40 | jelly | rzeka: how!? |
| 14:29.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | !drec me |
| 14:29.44 | dpkg | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 14:29.56 | rzeka | I can send mails but cannot get them from outside ;/ |
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| 14:30.32 | jelly | rzeka: do you have a static IP address visible from the internets? |
| 14:30.46 | rzeka | Yeah |
| 14:31.00 | nsadmin | 10^00 is also 1 :) |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | rzeka: which choice did you choose? |
| 14:31.08 | jelly | nsadmin: no, it's 10 |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | rzeka: is this at your house? or a data center of some sort ? |
| 14:31.21 | rzeka | 1st one.. To send and receive |
| 14:31.24 | rzeka | Datacenter (hetzner) |
| 14:31.37 | nsadmin | well if it's power, it's one... if it's xor, it's 10 |
| 14:31.40 | DotHack | net.core.rmem_max is the key! |
| 14:31.56 | DotHack | anyone knwos why this is defaulted on 112640? |
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| 14:32.16 | jelly | rzeka: and did you try to connect to your port 25 on the public IP to verify the SMTP listener is running correctly? |
| 14:32.28 | rzeka | telnet to 25? |
| 14:32.29 | yang | Is it possible to suggest a proposal for "orphaned" package - a package that isn't properly maintained by maintainer, for someone else to take over ? |
| 14:32.44 | jelly | DotHack: it's just another conservative default. |
| 14:32.57 | jelly | rzeka: yes, from some other machine |
| 14:33.04 | rzeka | It works fine :) |
| 14:33.12 | jelly | rzeka: so, what _doesn't_ work?" |
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| 14:33.20 | rzeka | Have no idea... :( |
| 14:33.25 | DotHack | jelly: isnt there a debian document that has all conservative defaults documented? |
| 14:33.32 | rzeka | I've sent mail to the machine and got "mail delivery problem' |
| 14:33.37 | yang | Is there a mannual how to do that |
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| 14:33.50 | nsadmin | yang: yes... if you're a dd you just sent an ITP to debian-devel and I think you do something with a bug report, not sure about that part |
| 14:34.01 | yang | nsadmin: I am not dd |
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| 14:34.21 | nsadmin | so, do you want to do the packaging? |
| 14:34.21 | jelly | rzeka: pastebin the complete message. Look inside exim logs to see what it tried to do (/var/log/exim4/mainlog) at the time you tried to send something |
| 14:34.22 | yang | nsadmin: only a package user |
| 14:34.29 | rzeka | btw, on default config is will put eg. rzeka@mydomain.com to system's user "rzeka" mailbox? |
| 14:34.39 | yang | nsadmin: no , I want to create the proposal for someone to take over and update the package |
| 14:34.44 | HackeMate | hi, is there a way to rename massivelyy ? |
| 14:34.58 | abrotman | yang: you sohuld have that person propose to take over the package .. |
| 14:34.59 | jelly | DotHack: I don't think so; most of the kernel settings are unchanged from upstream |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | HackeMate: the 'rename' script ? |
| 14:35.09 | nsadmin | so you want to ask if someone would take it over? |
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| 14:35.26 | yang | abrotman: well I mean the proposed packages are listed in some "pool" and people can take over |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | yang: they're already in a pool .. the orphaned package pool |
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| 14:35.51 | HackeMate | I have many movies with dot instead whitespace or [website] |
| 14:35.54 | yang | I don't think that the maintainer does a good job, and therefore the package might get excluded from the next release |
| 14:36.06 | jelly | abrotman: do the orphans pee in the pool? |
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| 14:36.10 | abrotman | yang: so it currently has a maintainer? |
| 14:36.18 | yang | abrotman: it has - a baad one |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | jelly: eww |
| 14:36.26 | nsadmin | they play pocket pool! |
| 14:36.26 | abrotman | yang: it's not orphaned .. not much you can do about it |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | yang: which package is it ? |
| 14:36.41 | jelly | "wine" |
| 14:36.48 | yang | http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hybserv.html |
| 14:37.26 | abrotman | yang: are you going to take over the package? |
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| 14:37.31 | yang | no , I am not a dd |
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| 14:37.37 | abrotman | you don't have to be |
| 14:37.40 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 14:37.41 | yang | I just wanted to propose it for someone to take over |
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| 14:38.21 | zmitya | I would like to create some deb packages soon.. I would like to know how the "official" packages ask for passwords for example ? |
| 14:38.26 | nsadmin | yang: you can do the packaging work and maintainance, and you woudl have a sponsor who is a dd |
| 14:38.29 | zmitya | which programs are they using ? |
| 14:38.40 | nsadmin | or... |
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| 14:38.46 | zmitya | did they wrote it themselves or are there kind of tools for this ? |
| 14:38.51 | abrotman | yang: are you interested in being the maintainer? or you just want someone to actively maintain it? |
| 14:38.53 | yang | nsadmin: no, I don't want to get involved |
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| 14:39.06 | nsadmin | you could do the packaging and maint, and not have a sponsor... but in this case the packages won't make it into debian |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | yang: you could email the maintainer and ask him to file an RFH or RFA |
| 14:39.12 | yang | abrotman: second |
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| 14:39.43 | yang | abrotman: I wrote a wishlist for the update more than a year ago |
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| 14:40.04 | stew | looks like a candidate for removal |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | yang: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399298 .. you could append the bug .. but he seems pretty unresponsive |
| 14:40.21 | nsadmin | or you can adopt-a-maint... give him money and get him to maintain the package in exchange! |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | stew: the DD or the package? |
| 14:41.01 | yang | adopt-a-maint |
| 14:41.09 | yang | is there a manual for that ? |
| 14:41.11 | stew | the package. the maintainer is active on other packages, so its not a candidate for mia |
| 14:41.11 | jelly | get a kitten free |
| 14:41.21 | yang | I mean is the feature official |
| 14:41.32 | nsadmin | no, that one's not in the manual :) |
| 14:41.37 | yang | :) |
| 14:41.48 | jelly | stew: but if they're consistently ignoring one of their packages, that doesn't really help |
| 14:41.55 | yang | I would provide a six-pack if anyone cares to take over |
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| 14:42.10 | nsadmin | some company adopted branden robinson... |
| 14:42.27 | jelly | poor sods |
| 14:42.34 | jelly | looks around |
| 14:42.54 | yang | I also contacted the original authors |
| 14:43.08 | yang | of the software, but it doesn't seem they are involved much with debian |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | yang: append the "new version" bug .. see if he wants to continue to maintain it, or suggest that s/he perhaps offer it up for adoption |
| 14:44.08 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, what's your purpose/interest in having this package maintained? |
| 14:44.34 | rzeka | how can I clear the mail queue? |
| 14:44.51 | nsadmin | it's different for different mail servers |
| 14:44.55 | rzeka | exim4 |
| 14:44.58 | nsadmin | maybe that should change |
| 14:45.31 | yang | nsadmin: it would nicely upgrade the previous versions |
| 14:45.32 | petemc | exipick -i | xargs exim -Mrm , will delete all mails from exim queue |
| 14:45.32 | nsadmin | so you want to stop exim and then process the remaining queue? |
| 14:45.43 | petemc | clear is ambiguous |
| 14:45.58 | petemc | exim -qff to force delivery attempts |
| 14:46.13 | nsadmin | yang, and what's your interest/purpose for nice upgrades of hybserv? |
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| 14:46.14 | razieliyo | hi |
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| 14:47.08 | yang | abrotman: it has a new version bug allreaady http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399298 |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | nsadmin: the version in Debian is fairly old .. one would assume lots of bug fixes |
| 14:47.51 | abrotman | yang: yes, That's why I said to append the bug and say something like "Hi Julien, Are you planning to upload a new package any time soon? Have you considered filing an RFA/RFH for this package? The current version is very old" |
| 14:47.53 | yang | abrotman: should I just send another notice, but I guess it just wouldn't make much sense |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | the last ping on the bug was a year ago |
| 14:48.05 | yang | ok thanks, I ll do that |
| 14:49.56 | nsadmin | yang, that would be cool... worded that way, it's a nice, polite ping |
| 14:50.21 | echo-area | Benkinooby: Hi. |
| 14:50.34 | echo-area | Benkinooby: Vpnc does not work for me. |
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| 14:51.13 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 14:51.20 | echo-area | It doesn't support cisco-tcp. I tried openconnect, and it worked. |
| 14:53.03 | johnfg | I'd installed Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 some time ago for my lenny box. |
| 14:53.21 | johnfg | however, I couldn't get some things to work so would like to remove it. |
| 14:53.38 | tvm | apt-get remove yourkernelname |
| 14:53.57 | tvm | of course it would be good to have another bootable kernel installed |
| 14:54.01 | johnfg | tvm, Ah, you rightly anticipated my next question! |
| 14:54.20 | johnfg | Yeah, I kept and am running the latest lenny kernel. |
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| 14:56.01 | tvm | so no problem there, just remove it, scripts will do the rest. |
| 14:58.58 | iulhk | process 3066: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory |
| 14:58.58 | iulhk | See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. anybody has any idea about this bug ? |
| 15:00.05 | johnfg | tvm, so for me I'll do an apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686? |
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| 15:02.28 | eyal | hello all |
| 15:02.50 | eyal | which arch should i use for xeon cpu? |
| 15:03.05 | eyal | amd64 or ia64? |
| 15:03.08 | pipeline | eyal: amd64 |
| 15:03.22 | eyal | ok |
| 15:03.24 | eyal | thanks |
| 15:03.26 | pipeline | eyal: it's called amd64 because amd invented it. ia64 was invented by intel, but intel sells very few of them :) |
| 15:03.32 | eyal | ia it's just for itanum? |
| 15:03.41 | stew | eyal: yes |
| 15:03.48 | pipeline | eyal: ia32 = i386 ... ia64 = itanium |
| 15:03.50 | eyal | ok |
| 15:03.56 | pipeline | confusing eh ? |
| 15:03.58 | eyal | thanks |
| 15:03.59 | pipeline | intel wanted it to be that way |
| 15:04.04 | eyal | yes it is |
| 15:04.42 | eyal | i have core 2 duo on my laptop with amd64 system, but i want to make sure efore i install the xeon server |
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| 15:12.53 | dkr | heh "AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind)" -- !why amd64 |
| 15:14.46 | pabs3 | how would I debug my laptop screen not turning on after I open the lid? happens in both X and on virtual consoles. suspend fixes it. using an intel i915 |
| 15:14.55 | themill | likes a bot that drips sarcasm |
| 15:16.15 | themill | pabs3: I'm presuming you're using the intel drivers from sid? there are a couple of bug fixes in the sid packages that are hoped to fix some problems with GPU lockups with the squeeze packages. |
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| 15:17.23 | pabs3 | yep. it happens on the console too. linux 2.6.32 and 2.6.36 from experimental |
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| 15:18.47 | themill | pabs3: urgh. kernel (or xorg) people are in a much better position to help you than #debian in that case. |
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| 15:19.58 | pabs3 | hmm, ok |
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| 15:20.31 | johnfg | I ran the apt-get, but it locked the system up for some reason. Ok, completed successfully. |
| 15:21.09 | johnfg | Wonder what that was about? I had to run dpkg --configure -a first. |
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| 15:31.58 | ScottG | What would be the correct way to change what happens when I press the power button? It seems that when I press my power button now the /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh script is run. But manually modifying that system script doesn't seem like the right way to accomplish what I want. |
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| 15:33.42 | dkr | I hardly ever print, so I haven't been paying attention. but I was able to print at some point and now I can't. running squeeze fully updated. I can see the printers just fine at localhost:631, but none of my gui apps(iceweasel,openoffice,evince,document viewer) have them as an option to print to |
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| 15:34.31 | dkr | also get a client-access-error when I run system-config-printer. oh, weird. it's actually talking to remote printserver ratehr than my localhost cups |
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| 15:44.15 | mazdok | hi |
| 15:45.03 | mazdok | my laptop is a amd64 one. Can i install debian x86 on it? (noob question) |
| 15:45.19 | mazdok | is it like windows? win32bit on 64 bit machines is possible |
| 15:45.40 | pabs3 | yes |
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| 15:45.59 | pabs3 | the CPU can run 32-bit or 64-bit code |
| 15:46.14 | pabs3 | or both |
| 15:46.17 | mazdok | ah ok |
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| 15:46.26 | mazdok | this is great |
| 15:46.33 | francisco_ | is there an squeeze-netinstall image??? |
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| 15:47.51 | poisonbit | francisco_, yes |
| 15:48.08 | poisonbit | it's currently in beta2 stage |
| 15:48.19 | pabs3 | francisco_: squeeze isn't released, but take a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:48.22 | francisco_ | ok, but not is finished |
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| 16:00.14 | poisonbit | hehe beta2 has 33 upgrades doing a minimal install... kill'em all (bugs) |
| 16:00.59 | poisonbit | francisco_, when is "finished" a distribution ? :) |
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| 16:06.43 | Boohemian | if i don't have a .nanorc file in ~/ , should i create it? i am trying to add some lines to it for syntax purposes |
| 16:06.54 | bgh | with debian cd, is that possible to install grub without reinstalling ALL distro? |
| 16:06.58 | dkr | Boohemian: yes |
| 16:07.26 | themill | bgh: yes; /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 16:08.25 | tharkun | Gentlemen how is menu.lst called on grub2? |
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| 16:09.08 | acemi | tharkun: /etc/default/grub /etc/grub.d/* and update-grub |
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| 16:09.54 | frikinz | tharkun: grub.cfg |
| 16:10.11 | bgh | which version of grub debian installs? why i have menu.lst? in the channel #grub told me that these files are used from the old version of grub and that i should not use that |
| 16:11.09 | acemi | bgh: lenny has grub-legacy, squeeze (current testing) has grub2 |
| 16:11.35 | acemi | as defaults |
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| 16:12.12 | breardo | question.. this may be stupid so im sorry if it is.. but when I cat /proc/cpuinfo, it shows my CPU MHz rating at just 800Mhz, when I have a 2GHz CPU in there.. |
| 16:12.13 | breardo | what gives? |
| 16:12.39 | breardo | I could see my CPU being 'stepped' down to that, but im in the middle of a compile job, shouldnt it bump back up to 2GHz |
| 16:13.04 | bgh | how i can see what version of deban it is? |
| 16:13.18 | breardo | uname |
| 16:13.19 | acemi | breardo: it seems it's related with cpufreqscaling |
| 16:13.22 | LoneTech | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:13.22 | breardo | uname -a |
| 16:13.26 | breardo | doh |
| 16:13.31 | breardo | that would be kernel.. |
| 16:13.41 | breardo | acemi.. any more details? |
| 16:13.45 | tharkun | acemi: you are right but since this was a fresh install i opted for putting grub2 from the beginning, no use having an extra package to update when squeeze is released |
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| 16:14.10 | bgh | breardo: uname -a doesn't tell the distro version.. |
| 16:14.22 | tharkun | frikinz: thx, only problem now is that it asks for uuid instead of the usual /dev/sd. file |
| 16:14.31 | tvm | breardo: it might be cpu being 'stepped down' |
| 16:14.43 | acemi | breardo: there is a deamon which changes the cpu frequency according to the load |
| 16:14.46 | tvm | breardo: it's same on my notebook |
| 16:14.50 | bgh | its only says 'Linux debian <kernel version> #1 SMP <date> GNU/Linux" |
| 16:14.57 | breardo | this isnt a laptop.. no battery to conserve |
| 16:15.02 | frikinz | tharkun: uuid is much better. you can get it with /sbin/blkid |
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| 16:15.14 | breardo | bgh.. yeah I corrected myself up there |
| 16:15.18 | breardo | sorry |
| 16:15.21 | tharkun | frikinz: thx |
| 16:15.45 | breardo | ahh.. so i'll look into this cpufreqd stuff |
| 16:16.01 | breardo | its just interesting that im compiling Xen on here, and its not stepping the CPU Mhz up.. |
| 16:16.07 | bgh | anyone can help me? |
| 16:16.08 | breardo | i'd expect it to let it go full blast |
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| 16:16.54 | bgh | i'm in recover mode with a bash, how i can see the version of the debian distro?? |
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| 16:17.02 | LoneTech | did my message get filtered or just ignored? |
| 16:17.11 | tvm | bgh: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:17.18 | bgh | oh sorry LoneTech |
| 16:17.21 | breardo | bgh.. dpkg -l |
| 16:17.22 | bgh | i didn't see that |
| 16:17.25 | breardo | doh |
| 16:17.38 | bgh | it's 5.0.7, so it's lenny? |
| 16:17.45 | bgh | (stable) |
| 16:18.22 | Rienzilla | ah |
| 16:18.25 | Rienzilla | fix for exim |
| 16:18.37 | tvm | bgh: yeah. |
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| 16:19.34 | b_52light | guys when i type python it start python2.6.6 |
| 16:19.38 | b_52light | how could i change that ? |
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| 16:20.12 | breardo | hmm.. I see that cpufreqd can alter the MHz of CPUs, but I dont appear to be running it and im still sitting at 800MHz.. |
| 16:20.16 | frikinz | breardo: maybe you are missing some kernel modules. On my system they are loaded by /etc/init.d/loadcpufreq start |
| 16:20.28 | breardo | this is a brand new fresh install of squeeze-b2 |
| 16:20.33 | breardo | i'll look there frikinz |
| 16:20.35 | breardo | thanks |
| 16:21.16 | breardo | i dunno.. lsmod shows cpufreq stuff loaded |
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| 16:22.25 | frikinz | breardo: do you have something there : /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 16:22.32 | breardo | let me check |
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| 16:22.44 | LoneTech | b_52light: it is simply a symlink (in python-minimal), but why do you want to change it? |
| 16:22.56 | breardo | yes I do |
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| 16:23.11 | breardo | shows 2Ghz, 1.5Ghz, 1.2Ghz, 1Ghz and 800Mhz (in long form of course) |
| 16:23.33 | themill | b_52light: which release of debian is this? |
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| 16:24.44 | frikinz | breardo: I don't remember really how all this works :) I think with acpi |
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| 16:24.53 | breardo | :) |
| 16:25.03 | breardo | i've never confronted this issue before.. so its all new to me |
| 16:25.13 | breardo | i'm gonna check the BIOS settings before continuing |
| 16:25.14 | user5v | hello, must list "ps -A" xinetd if it runs? |
| 16:25.16 | frikinz | breardo: do you have acpid running? |
| 16:25.25 | breardo | yes I do |
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| 16:26.25 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 16:26.32 | breardo | strange.. ok |
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| 16:26.41 | breardo | now.. i have some of the cores jumping up to 2Ghz and 1.5Ghz.. |
| 16:26.44 | breardo | so it must be working |
| 16:26.55 | b_52light | themill, debian lenny |
| 16:26.57 | breardo | when I looked at cpuinfo, it must have just been at the right time to see the 800mhz.. |
| 16:27.04 | breardo | i didnt think that it 'stepped' that quickly |
| 16:27.05 | b_52light | i installed manually python 2.6.6 |
| 16:27.07 | b_52light | and it ..... |
| 16:27.32 | b_52light | LoneTech, i tried to install python2.6.6 and it have override the default |
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| 16:27.57 | breardo | thanks for your help frikinz |
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| 16:28.24 | LoneTech | ah |
| 16:29.17 | frikinz | breardo: you're welcome :) |
| 16:29.24 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Can I use the grub on the HDDs on sil3124? I can't on lenny and I use lilo now. How about the grub for squeeze? |
| 16:29.27 | frikinz | so.. time to leave |
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| 16:30.51 | LoneTech | b_52light: check where your python 2.6 is with "type python". if it's in, say, /usr/local then you can manually rename or remove it there |
| 16:30.54 | themill | b_52light: you should not change the default python in lenny. You won't be able to count the number of things you will break. |
| 16:30.59 | themill | LoneTech: no. don't do that. |
| 16:31.29 | themill | b_52light: you should make sure that any locally compiled executable called "python" is NOT in your $PATH. |
| 16:31.32 | b_52light | themill, i start to feel the things i brocked several things are not working anymore :( |
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| 16:33.13 | b_52light | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.13 | b_52light | /usr/local/lib/python2.4 |
| 16:33.13 | b_52light | /usr/local/lib/python2.5 |
| 16:33.21 | b_52light | no python2.6 |
| 16:33.31 | b_52light | and still get called when i type python |
| 16:33.46 | themill | b_52light: perhaps pastebin the output of "type -a python" |
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| 16:35.23 | b_52light | themill, http://pastebin.com/hHarn1JA |
| 16:36.11 | themill | b_52light: there's your problem. If you rename /usr/local/bin/python to /usr/local/bin/python2.6 you will probably sort out your machine. |
| 16:37.02 | LoneTech | I thought that was what I said when I got "no. don't do that." |
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| 16:38.49 | themill | LoneTech: oh... sorry. I thought you were saying that he should rename python2.6 to python. My apologies. |
| 16:38.52 | b_52light | themill, LoneTech tried that but python in the shell psecificly look for /usr/local/bin/oython |
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| 16:39.13 | LoneTech | b_52light: that's temporary, hash -r resets it |
| 16:39.16 | themill | b_52light: "hash -r" |
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| 16:40.12 | b_52light | LoneTech, themill THANKSSSSSSSSSS :D |
| 16:40.21 | b_52light | python2.5 rolling again :D |
| 16:40.32 | b_52light | 2.5 is the default version i guess |
| 16:40.32 | b_52light | ? |
| 16:40.34 | b_52light | for lenny |
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| 16:41.22 | themill | b_52light: in lenny it is, yes. And almost every python-related package in lenny assumes that "python" or "/usr/bin/python" will remain debian's python 2.5. |
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| 16:41.46 | b_52light | ok again thanks guys |
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| 16:44.03 | rioch | how often are things updated now in squeeze? |
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| 16:44.49 | themill | rioch: a few things every day still. No new upstream versions as a general rule. See the debian-release mailing list for details. |
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| 16:45.17 | rioch | is it likely that the kernel/firmware-non-free will change? |
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| 16:53.00 | doxy2 | hi |
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| 16:54.17 | doxy2 | i don't get it. i'm running lenny, apt-file search /init.d/apache finds :apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2, but apt-get install apache2.2-common says "apache2.2-common is already the newest version." and still the daemon isn't there |
| 16:54.21 | doxy2 | doesn't make any sense |
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| 16:54.58 | stew | doxy2: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:56.33 | doxy2 | stew: thanks but that didn't create the file |
| 16:56.38 | doxy2 | and i never removed it |
| 16:56.42 | doxy2 | in the first place |
| 16:56.54 | stew | doxy2: what didn't create the file? |
| 16:57.03 | doxy2 | "that" == apt-get line: apt-get -o ââ |
| 16:57.08 | doxy2 | âDPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common |
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| 16:57.45 | stew | doxy2: and there is no /etc/init.d/apache2 file? |
| 16:57.55 | doxy2 | nope |
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| 16:58.25 | stew | doxy2: and "dpkg -s apache2.2-common" reports an md5sum for /etc/init.d/apache2 in the conffiles section? |
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| 16:59.40 | doxy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.41 | dpkg | Badgers ate my apache2.2-common! |
| 16:59.42 | doxy2 | Package `apache2.2-common' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 16:59.47 | doxy2 | weird, huh |
| 16:59.50 | Mmike | How do I disable suexec logging? Currently it logs to /var/log/apache/suexec, /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:01.38 | doxy2 | hnhnh |
| 17:01.49 | doxy2 | i don't know what happened but i reinstalled and it's there |
| 17:01.51 | doxy2 | :S |
| 17:01.56 | doxy2 | stew: thanks for the help anyway |
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| 17:04.13 | doxy2 | stew: no, sorry. i messing with up with screen |
| 17:04.18 | doxy2 | (diffrerent servers) |
| 17:04.38 | doxy2 | so, dpkg -s apache2.2-common does return md5sum for /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 17:07.43 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 17:08.11 | UukGoblin | how could I convert a font like -misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 so that it's selectable in gtk-like dialogs? (e.g. in xfce4-terminal's font list?) |
| 17:08.12 | bgh | there is an installer of debian unstable or i have to install it as testing and then upgrade as unstable? |
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| 17:09.31 | doxy2 | so, how is it possible that no /etc/init.d/apache2 exist, but dpkg -s apache2.2-common finds and md5sum for the file? |
| 17:09.47 | stew | doxy2: if someone deleted the file |
| 17:09.48 | jhutchins_lt | bgh: There is a beta installer, please see the release notes and install guide. |
| 17:10.12 | doxy2 | stew: but even so, i ran the dpkg command that should have restored it |
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| 17:10.30 | stew | doxy2: yes |
| 17:10.42 | doxy2 | so how could i restore it |
| 17:10.52 | pipeline | UukGoblin: that font is just called "fixed" |
| 17:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bgh about today |
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| 17:11.42 | UukGoblin | pipeline, ok, but I don't see it in xfce4's list... all I have is flatline, FreeMono, FreeSans and FreeSerif |
| 17:11.45 | karlpinc | stew: Humm.... So apt won't change a _modified_ config file but will restore a deleted one? (I thought it ignored user changes to config files, but I guess that does not apply to deletion.) |
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| 17:11.56 | UukGoblin | maybe I don't have some package installed... but that font definitely works in rxvt and xfontsel |
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| 17:12.25 | stew | karlpinc: deleting a conffile is considered changing it |
| 17:12.47 | karlpinc | stew: So it should _stay_ deleted, right? |
| 17:12.58 | stew | karlpinc: yes, unless you use confmiss |
| 17:13.05 | stew | (or confnew) |
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| 17:13.59 | karlpinc | goes off to rtfm |
| 17:14.08 | doxy2 | whatever, got it back through confmiss |
| 17:14.28 | doxy2 | consider this as a result of a long weary week :) |
| 17:14.33 | doxy2 | thanks again and sorry |
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| 17:20.23 | Boohemian | erm, how do i set a directory (and all subdirectories) to be owned by a certain user? |
| 17:20.45 | Boohemian | chown username: foo/ still lists the old user as the owner |
| 17:20.55 | acemi | -R |
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| 17:21.24 | Boohemian | thanks |
| 17:23.01 | bgh | well, i've got banned from #debian @ efnet without any reason |
| 17:23.52 | snow_man | in the past, or just now? |
| 17:25.07 | bgh | now snow_man |
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| 17:25.15 | bgh | and who banned me, insulted me |
| 17:25.22 | bgh | he is a channel operator |
| 17:25.31 | bgh | is that the debian community? cool! |
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| 17:26.55 | snow_man | no |
| 17:27.01 | snow_man | that's one person on a different network |
| 17:27.13 | bgh | i know snow_man |
| 17:27.26 | bgh | but this is very sad |
| 17:27.50 | bgh | [18:16] <deryl> fuck off bitch. you're not qualified to run sid. gtfo and stay out |
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| 17:29.05 | snow_man | heh |
| 17:29.23 | snow_man | so I take it you were soliciting help with a sid issue? |
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| 17:30.12 | bgh | snow_man: i've just asked in the channel if i can use gtk3 and latest develop libs with testing, or i have to go with sid |
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| 17:30.29 | bgh | then he called me "a friggin version puppy", i've asked what that means, and i got banned |
| 17:30.35 | bgh | and insulted |
| 17:30.38 | snow_man | heh, awesome |
| 17:30.49 | snow_man | well, not everyone is that dense ;) |
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| 17:31.15 | bgh | :) |
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| 17:31.48 | del_diablo | My system grinds itself to a complete halt when doing heavy I/O activity, where do I start looking for symptoms to cure? |
| 17:32.15 | snow_man | I want to say you can, but I'm just guessing; have you tried asking on or searching one of the mailing lists? |
| 17:32.55 | del_diablo | No, i have not. The only "clues" i have is that there exists patches and BFS.... but they are again more dupious in their nature |
| 17:33.01 | snow_man | del_diablo: what kind of heavy I/O activity? |
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| 17:33.52 | snow_man | del_diablo: my mailing list remark was to bgh |
| 17:33.55 | del_diablo | snow_man: Larger updates and large file transfer towards NTFS disks |
| 17:34.38 | del_diablo | The halt usually is complete stop of rendering of my browser, and the GUI gets useless |
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| 17:36.21 | jhutchins_lt | del_diablo: define "large", and state your hardware. |
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| 17:37.41 | Shadow` | is there a man or tut on how to add executeable stuff like when you install a .deb? that you can just type in the program/game name in terminal? |
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| 17:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | Shadow`: aptitude install <foo>? |
| 17:38.46 | Shadow` | not other packages |
| 17:38.56 | JordiGH | The debian.osuosl.org mirror is giving me a bad signature when verifying its key during aptitude update. Can anyone reproduce or am I doing something wrong? I don't really understand keys. |
| 17:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | Don't make us try to guess what you're trying to ask. |
| 17:39.17 | Shadow` | lol |
| 17:39.19 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:39.22 | del_diablo | jhutchins: Dualcore AMD mobile from... 2006? roughly 4 gigs of ram, Debian sid with pinning, slow 7200 rpm laptop disk. Large would be.... more than 40 updates i think, aka when it can sit for more than a minute doing its stuff after downloading. |
| 17:39.23 | Shadow` | ye i have no clue how its called |
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| 17:40.14 | Shadow` | but packages mostly do it t hemselfs, where it gets in /usr/lib/ i think |
| 17:41.52 | JordiGH | Shadow`: Maybe if you explained with puppets... |
| 17:41.59 | Shadow` | lol |
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| 17:42.16 | Shadow` | well its \o\ then (>0.0)> with a ~.~ |
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| 17:42.56 | Shadow` | want \o\ to be run from ~.~ like native programs that come with a (>o.o)> |
| 17:43.11 | del_diablo | Wine? |
| 17:43.32 | Shadow` | not windows programs |
| 17:43.40 | Shadow` | stuff that just comes with debian/package manager |
| 17:43.49 | JordiGH | Wait... are you asking about how to set the PATH? |
| 17:44.12 | Shadow` | for example, u install package.. cheese, aptitude install cheese, press enter and it does the whole mumbojumbo of setting up, man triggers, menu triggers etc. |
| 17:44.19 | Shadow` | and then in terminal u can just type 'cheese' and it starts |
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| 17:44.32 | JordiGH | How many letters? |
| 17:44.36 | JordiGH | loves #debian charades |
| 17:44.41 | Shadow` | haha |
| 17:45.12 | del_diablo | My guess is now that he wants to know how to set up bash launchers, and dump them in /usr/bin or something :P |
| 17:45.12 | Shadow` | now i got a seperate executeable, which is not a package .deb thing, which i want to be able to run from a terminal window just like the cheese example |
| 17:45.51 | simonrvn | probably just PATH |
| 17:45.51 | JordiGH | Shadow`: Put the binary in your PATH. |
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| 17:45.57 | JordiGH | won! |
| 17:46.11 | Shadow` | lol, wheres the PATH thing? |
| 17:46.23 | regenbogenfuesse | echo $PATH |
| 17:47.11 | JordiGH | Shadow`: type "echo $PATH" to see your PATH. Put the binary in one of those directories. Or put it in ~/bin or something like that in your homedir, and add that directory to your PATH by doing "export PATH=$PATH:~/bin" |
| 17:47.33 | JordiGH | And put that export command in your .bashrc so it sticks. |
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| 17:48.05 | Shadow` | cool |
| 17:48.10 | Shadow` | ill look into that, thanks |
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| 17:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | Shadow`: Also just specify the full path to the binary. |
| 17:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | Shadow`: The binary must also be executable by the user who wants to run it. |
| 17:50.49 | JordiGH | So no one else is having problems with the debian.osuosl.org mirror? |
| 17:51.00 | JordiGH | I think it's also where ftp.us.debian.org redirects to. |
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| 17:51.21 | snow_man | JordiGH: its loading fine for me, what specific problem are you having? |
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| 17:52.11 | JordiGH | snow_man: I'm having problems with its key when doing aptitude update. I switched to a Columbia mirror. I guess I got an old key or something that got refreshed when I changed mirrors? |
| 17:52.41 | snow_man | oh ok; have you tried importing a new key? |
| 17:52.53 | Shadow` | jhutchins, its per user? not global? |
| 17:53.18 | Shadow` | i just use 1 user, but just wondering |
| 17:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | Shadow`: Whichever applies. You can set executable globally, by group, or by user. |
| 17:53.36 | JordiGH | snow_man: No. I kinda figured all I had to do was install the debian-keyring package and it would handle that by itself. |
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| 17:54.02 | Shadow` | alright, thanks for the info, imma switch to KDE, makes it easier |
| 17:54.02 | poisonbit | . |
| 17:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: The point of ftp.<cc>.debian.org is that they usually redirect to multiple servers. |
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| 17:55.07 | JordiGH | Oh. I think it always redirects to OSUOSL for me. |
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| 17:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: I get five hosts in reply to "host ftp.us.debian.org". |
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| 17:57.33 | JordiGH | shrugs oh well |
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| 18:14.27 | klync | reading the man page and the online info pages for gnu tar, I can't for the life of me figure out why it's following symlinks when I'm not explicitly using the -h option |
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| 18:18.13 | shanzus | hi all |
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| 18:19.12 | shanzus | I have 2 problems: 1) I made a apt-get install network-manager and I get from the terminal that I have already installed it but it seems different from the ubuntu version.. I can't use the wireless.. |
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| 18:19.29 | hlozada | regards, how to install xen on debian squeeze amd64? |
| 18:20.11 | haxi | shanzus: is your wireless card recognised by your system? |
| 18:20.18 | hlozada | shanzus, lspci |
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| 18:20.39 | phorce1 | OK, I've done this before and don't recall how. I need to remove gnome-power-manager. When I try it wants to remove 'gnome-desktop-environment' and 'gnome'. How can I remove just gnome-power-manager without wiping out all of gnome (sometimes meta packages are actually evil). |
| 18:20.42 | haxi | lspci | grep -i network |
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| 18:21.17 | haxi | phorce1: it is probably not possible. |
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| 18:22.27 | bonjoyee | phorce1: why not just disable gnome-power-manager? |
| 18:23.58 | shanzus | uhm |
| 18:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | shanzus: It is different, that's one of the most notable differences between the distributions. |
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| 18:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: You may find that apt-get will remove just the meta package, not the packages it brought in. aptitude tends to remove the sub-packages as well. |
| 18:25.09 | phorce1 | haxi: it is possible. 'gnome' and 'gnome-desktop-environment' are just meta packages. basically lists of other packages to install for a "complete" system. I could do it the hard way by getting a good list of everything I have installed right now. Letting the system uninstall the meta packages, then reinstalling everything one-package-at-a-time. |
| 18:25.14 | shanzus | here it is the lspci output |
| 18:25.15 | shanzus | http://pastebin.com/JzRcLrAz |
| 18:26.05 | phorce1 | bonjoyee: hmmm, hadn't googled that. I was just trying to make the keyboard power button do nothing and that's not a choice on the power-manager screen |
| 18:26.22 | haxi | k. I don't know gnome very much anyway. |
| 18:26.51 | hlozada | shanzus, your problem is the druvers |
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| 18:26.55 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: I'll give that a shot too. I know I've removed a meta before without killing the packages, I just don't recall how. |
| 18:27.19 | hlozada | ops drivers |
| 18:27.28 | phorce1 | haxi: gnome isn't the only meta package in debian. This isn't really gnome specific |
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| 18:27.58 | shanzus | hlozada: so I need to install my wireless card drivers? |
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| 18:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | !4312 |
| 18:28.36 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (contrib) in Squeeze. Lenny users: for Linux 2.6.32 packages, ask me about <bdo>; see also http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide required firmware. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>. |
| 18:28.47 | bonjoyee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.56 | hlozada | shanzus, http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 18:29.37 | hlozada | shanzus, downloade the driver for you arch |
| 18:30.00 | jhutchins_lt | shanzus: Do not follow hlozada's advice. |
| 18:30.10 | bonjoyee | phorce1: rather change "interactive" to "nothing" |
| 18:30.16 | shanzus | jhutchins_lt: why |
| 18:30.21 | jhutchins_lt | hlozada: Read what dpkg posted and follow that. |
| 18:30.47 | hlozada | module b43 ummmmmm |
| 18:30.49 | simonrvn | because it's already been taken care of, do what jhutchins_lt said. |
| 18:31.10 | shanzus | o.O |
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| 18:32.55 | hlozada | jhutchins, this recipe I have not tested |
| 18:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | Third party drivers are ok if that's the only option, but they can be difficult for new users to manage and are sometimes very finicky when trying to integrate them. |
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| 18:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | The debian drivers are well integrated and are known to work well. |
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| 18:35.02 | mabrowning | I'm trying to install the grub-pc debian package in an automated fasion. I tried to pre-select which install_device with debconf-set-selections, but it still prompts me to select a device. Any suggestions? |
| 18:36.05 | bonjoyee | phorce1: did you try it? |
| 18:36.06 | tomkap | vgainei mesa apo kavlovski |
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| 18:36.23 | complete | Good Evening from Germany! I used CTRL+Z and then fg for the first time. nice. what does CTRL+Z do? |
| 18:36.41 | breardo | good afternoon from USA |
| 18:36.54 | tonyb486 | Good afternoon from new york |
| 18:37.06 | fbs | good evening from nl |
| 18:37.06 | breardo | ctrl-z puts your task into the background |
| 18:37.14 | breardo | fg returns that task to the foreground |
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| 18:37.23 | vipe | and Good Evening from Belgium |
| 18:37.33 | breardo | you EU guys are lucky.. |
| 18:37.40 | phorce1 | bonjoyee: thank you (phone calls slowed me down). It's a bit annoying that they haven't made the "NOTHING" choice available in the UI |
| 18:37.41 | breardo | i was in .nl this summer for two months.. loved it |
| 18:37.45 | complete | breardo: afterwards everything is like before the CTRL+Z/fg action? |
| 18:37.46 | fbs | ctrl-z sends a halt? |
| 18:37.51 | breardo | correct Compgenius999 |
| 18:37.53 | breardo | err complete |
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| 18:38.30 | breardo | ctrl-z puts your non-damonized process into the background and returns you to the shell.. hitting fg returns that process to the foreground and it completes.. |
| 18:38.33 | breardo | or runs as normally |
| 18:38.44 | complete | crazy stuff |
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| 18:39.16 | vipe | breardo: you love NL (which means you haven't been in Belgium yet)? their beer is whater comming from the dishes :-D |
| 18:39.25 | complete | when i did cd to another dir meanwhile... could that break stuff? for example when editing a file in vim, then wandering around the file system and returning... will vim save the file in the wrong place next time? |
| 18:39.28 | fbs | breardo: doesnt it stop the program? |
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| 18:39.52 | breardo | it pauses it |
| 18:40.07 | breardo | haha vipe.. i did not like .nl beer, you are right |
| 18:40.09 | bonjoyee | phorce1:thats true..i had to do a similar to disable the suspend option! |
| 18:40.23 | breardo | invite me to Belgium and I'll sample your fine ale :) |
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| 18:41.15 | vipe | breardo: after the winter, way too cold now :( |
| 18:41.30 | breardo | sounds good |
| 18:41.52 | breardo | I hear some of your beer recipes come from as far back as the 1300's.. is that true? |
| 18:42.08 | vipe | yep |
| 18:42.17 | breardo | and what do you think of americanized belgum ales.. like Blue Moon or Stella Artois and Leffe? |
| 18:42.23 | bonjoyee | everyone wishing good afternoon/morning...i wonder what i shall say..its 10 past midnight here.. |
| 18:42.24 | breardo | are they garbage? |
| 18:42.39 | breardo | or Hoegaarden |
| 18:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | breardo: Stella is hardly an ale. |
| 18:43.14 | breardo | thats fine.. |
| 18:43.21 | breardo | im not too up on what is/isnt |
| 18:43.37 | breardo | I remember I didnt mine Leffe |
| 18:43.39 | breardo | mind |
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| 18:44.13 | shanzus | hlozada: I installed the drivers but still no wireless |
| 18:44.18 | vipe | breardo: for a regular beer: 1. stella 2. jupiler. Furthermore: Leffe, Westmalle, duvel, hoppus, gulden draak, keizer karel, west fleteren (expensive), orval, chimay |
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| 18:44.39 | breardo | so.. just so im clear.. in Belgium, you guys like Stella Artois? |
| 18:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | While I love beer, this is not the place to discuss it. #debian-offtopic would be fine. |
| 18:44.47 | breardo | yeah.. sorry jt |
| 18:44.59 | vipe | breardo: I have to warn you, some go to 9 or 11% alcohol :-) |
| 18:45.04 | breardo | thats OK with me |
| 18:45.12 | breardo | im used to drinking 8% "Red Bull" back in Ontario, Canada |
| 18:45.25 | alecjw | hi there, i'm trying to connect to a PPTP VPN from my debian server, but to no avail. anyone know what im doing wrong? i used the command sudo pptpsetup --create ipredator --server vpn.ipredator.se --start --encrypt --username ... --password ... |
| 18:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: Why are you using sudo? |
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| 18:46.20 | alecjw | jhutchins_lt, i thought you needed to be root to manage vpns? |
| 18:46.25 | alecjw | anyway heres the output: http://pastebin.ca/2015746 |
| 18:46.27 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: Need to know any output or logs, use verbose/debugging options. |
| 18:46.44 | vipe | breardo: we like stella & jupiler (the other "regular beers" such as primus, bavik, etc will give you a hangover and they don't taste very well either) |
| 18:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: You do. sudo is what ubuntu uses. |
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| 18:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | vipe: #debian-offtopic please. |
| 18:47.16 | pipeline | UukGoblin: strange; I imagine it wants you to pick a truetype font, then, not a bitmap font :\ |
| 18:47.42 | vipe | jhutchins_lt: ok, sorry |
| 18:47.43 | alecjw | i use it too, whichever disto im on :) anyway, do you know what i could be doing wrong? "modem hangup" doesnt seem right, since i dont even have a modem |
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| 18:50.35 | alecjw | is there anything wrong with using sudo? |
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| 18:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: Dunno, it's not configured by default on lenny, so it won't work unless you've set it up. |
| 18:51.07 | alecjw | it works for everything else |
| 18:51.19 | phorce1 | bonjoyee: I remapped the "sleep" button to power off my monitors and the "wake up" button to send a CTRL-A (for switching between screen ttys). But the power button was getting grabbed before the remapping could be done and I've powered down more than once accidentally. |
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| 18:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: http://wiki.debian.org/PPP - I haven't managed ppp on debian and options vary between distros, but you can get a verbose debug output that tells you what's happening. |
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| 18:52.08 | JordiGH | When you install new Emacs packages, how do you load them in Emacs without restarting Emacs? |
| 18:52.30 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: I would recommend debugging it as root, then you can run it with sudo for regular use. |
| 18:52.40 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: What's the server you're connecting to? |
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| 18:53.14 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: I think pppsetup has an interactive mode. |
| 18:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: In the past I've had to create a profile with something like pppsetup, then go in and manually tweak the settings. |
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| 18:53.56 | bonjoyee | phorce1: sometimes you need to logout for the remapping to take effect.. |
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| 18:54.33 | alecjw | jhutchins_lt, its vpn.ipredator.se, i think i tried pppsetup, is that the curses interface? it asked me for a baudrate so i figured i'd done something wrong |
| 18:54.54 | jhutchins_lt | Just give it 9600. |
| 18:55.02 | jhutchins_lt | !pppoe |
| 18:55.03 | dpkg | [pppoe] Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet, a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections. There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian. To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf". See also Debian bug #377987. http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 18:55.25 | breardo | I hate to bring this up again but im just not clear.. im compiling a kernel on a 16-core system, and yet only one core is utilized for the job.. |
| 18:55.36 | breardo | is this normal? or can I do something to allow the compiler to start using the rest of the power available to it.. |
| 18:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | breardo: That's wierd. Gentoo can spread the compile across multiple PC's. |
| 18:56.10 | breardo | this is squeeze-beta2 |
| 18:56.17 | breardo | yeah i've heard of distcc for that |
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| 18:56.34 | breardo | but I just figured that gcc would utilize multiple cores when available.. |
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| 18:56.57 | breardo | i see in /proc/cpustat that only one CPU gets its freq adjusted to 2Ghz during compile.. the rest stay at 800Mhz |
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| 18:57.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.10 | breardo | whats that do? |
| 18:58.00 | alecjw | jhutchins_lt, what about pulse or tone? are you sure PPP, PPPoE and PPTP are the same thing? |
| 18:58.19 | phorce1 | bonjoyee: I'm using keytouch to map keys because I keep playing with different keyboards. Now if I could just get my LED backlit keyboard to work through a KVM I'd be set. The one at the house works fine through a little 2 port KVM but the 4 port on my desk here doesn't like that keyboard at all. I have an 8 port I need to set up and see if it works through that. |
| 18:58.55 | phorce1 | bonjoyee: with keytouchd running just change the mapping and hit "Apply" |
| 19:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: I'm afraid my knowledge is not debian specific, as I said. I'd choose tone. Sounds like you would have to edit the file. Seed the references above for debian specific options. |
| 19:00.58 | bonjoyee | phorce1: sorry...never heard of keytouch!! |
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| 19:01.21 | the_dark_warrio | I'm building a package and it depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0). Do I have to specify libglib2.0 as a dependency? |
| 19:01.27 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: KVm's are a pain, they can't emulate all of the functions on all of the connections at once. I eventually gave up on them and just use ssh, x forwarding, and vnc. |
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| 19:03.24 | mabrowning | is there anyway to stop a package postinst script from running? |
| 19:03.34 | mabrowning | or for simply extracting a package using aptitude? |
| 19:03.40 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: I use it here at work so I can switch the keyboard, mouse, and one of the 2 monitors over to customer machines (mostly Winboxen) to work on them. Allows me to set up 2 or 3 customer machines in a small space. |
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| 19:05.04 | phorce1 | The cheap little 4 port ZoNet I have actually works quite well. Only slight fuzzing of video at high resolution and it passes all of the KB and mouse functions for all of the keybaords I've tried except the Logisys backligted one. |
| 19:05.57 | phorce1 | I ssh into the 14 other machines. they are also on a KVM though for those times when I need direct hardware access |
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| 19:07.03 | Guthur | How can I figure out what wireless driver I require |
| 19:07.18 | cahoot | its pciid |
| 19:07.22 | Guthur | It mentioned it during install but I forgot to take note of the model |
| 19:07.37 | cahoot | lspci -nn |
| 19:08.04 | Guthur | cheers cahoot |
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| 19:08.43 | rpgdude | is there a way to configure dhelp to publish the documentation publicly? |
| 19:08.47 | alecjw | jhutchins_lt, ah right, thanks then |
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| 19:09.04 | rpgdude | the default is that it is only available on localhost |
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| 19:13.54 | rpgdude | when i try to access it using the hostname, i get a forbidden error from apache |
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| 19:16.44 | rpgdude | nm, i figured it out, apache by default restricts documentation to localhost |
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| 19:23.31 | project2501a | so, enableing ForwardX11 in ssh_config is a bad idea? |
| 19:23.35 | project2501a | enabling, even |
| 19:23.56 | breardo | its not a bad idea if you need to forward x11.. |
| 19:23.58 | GNU\colossus | if you need it, it's not a bad idea to enable it ;) |
| 19:24.01 | breardo | :) |
| 19:24.20 | project2501a | yeah, i do need it. so i did enable it |
| 19:25.30 | breardo | so.. then.. good :) |
| 19:25.43 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: I think it's disabled by default with the philosophy of disabling anything extra being more secure. |
| 19:25.53 | breardo | correct.. like allowing root logins :) |
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| 19:26.18 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: right-o |
| 19:26.34 | project2501a | has anybody bought an altix UV100? |
| 19:26.51 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 19:32.17 | JordiGH | close |
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| 19:50.01 | mroe | I have ":FROMHOST, isequal, "AP-ES105" /var/log/wireless.log" in my rsyslog.conf |
| 19:50.29 | mroe | but I am getting "AP-ES105 src="192.168.31.248" msg="Successful HTTP login"" in my /var/log/syslog and nothing in my /var/log/wireless.log |
| 19:50.46 | mroe | I don't know what i am missing |
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| 19:53.54 | dany | hi all |
| 19:54.01 | breardo | hi |
| 19:55.24 | dany | I have a problem: in my system now there are 3 os: win7, kubuntu 10.4 and now debian. I have just installed debian but now I can't access anymore to ubuntu. What can I do without a live disk? |
| 19:57.47 | snow_man | being able to get to Debian but not Ubuntu is a good thing imo ;) |
| 19:57.51 | breardo | :) |
| 19:57.57 | breardo | did you overwrite Ubuntu? |
| 19:58.03 | breardo | or did you mess up grub so it cant find it to boot? |
| 19:58.08 | snow_man | but, if you try to access ubuntu via grub, are you getting an error? (assuming there is a grub entry) |
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| 20:00.08 | acemi | dany: squeeze or lenny? |
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| 20:03.49 | rpgdude | project2501a: you shouldnt enable that in ssh_config |
| 20:04.16 | rpgdude | you should instead use ssh -X |
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| 20:09.31 | dany | acemi, lenny |
| 20:10.06 | dany | snow_man, I cannot access to ubuntu. There isn't anymore the option |
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| 20:10.25 | dany | breardo, I didn't overwrite ubuntu. It's still present :) |
| 20:10.52 | acemi | dany: you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add some lines for ubuntu |
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| 20:11.51 | dany | acemi, what do I need? ps ubuntu uses ext4 partition |
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| 20:17.48 | dany | anyone? |
| 20:19.35 | dany | and another thing.. do you kwow why there isn't the autocompletion feature when using root and apt-get? |
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| 20:26.22 | bgh | every time i install something with apt-get install package, debian asks me to insert installation CD1, why?! |
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| 20:26.44 | dany | you have to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 20:27.00 | dany | comment the line about the cd |
| 20:27.05 | bgh | ok dany |
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| 20:27.09 | bgh | thx |
| 20:27.12 | dany | np |
| 20:27.44 | dclarke | I'm getting really terrible performance on a 2.6GHz AMD Opteron with 4G ECC memory and dual SATA disks. I am running a copy of some files from a USB attached external disk to internal ext4fs ( /home/myusername/Desktop/foo ) and everything is really sluggish |
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| 20:28.24 | OpenTokix | dclarke: usb is really really cpu-intense and io-intense |
| 20:28.34 | OpenTokix | ie. iowait |
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| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | dclarke: if you can, use eSATA or even firewire connectivity. |
| 20:29.37 | bgh | dany: it seems i don't have any /etc/sources.list ...why?! |
| 20:29.45 | bgh | oh sorry, wrong path.. |
| 20:30.28 | dany | bgh, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:31.23 | dclarke | okay .. so on squeeze there is a problem with task scheduling USB io ? |
| 20:32.13 | dclarke | squeeze == Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-28) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:02:11 UTC 2010 |
| 20:35.04 | dclarke | is there a way, better than top, to see where all the CPU load and IO load is ? |
| 20:35.35 | jelly-home | dclarke: I don't think it's limited to squeeze or Debian, it's a USB problem. Happens on at least some Windows releases as well |
| 20:35.52 | jelly-home | atop. iotop. |
| 20:35.53 | bronaugh | dclarke: iotop |
| 20:35.54 | dclarke | thinks 'not on Solaris' |
| 20:36.06 | dclarke | bash: iotop: command not found |
| 20:36.08 | dclarke | erk |
| 20:36.17 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 20:36.17 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:36.52 | bronaugh | I do like Ubuntu's thing that suggests what package to use. |
| 20:36.54 | dclarke | dpkg search iotop |
| 20:36.54 | dpkg | wish i knew, dclarke |
| 20:37.15 | jelly-home | dpkg, search |
| 20:37.16 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
| 20:37.36 | bronaugh | dclarke: it's in package iotop. |
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| 20:37.48 | jelly-home | dclarke: apt-cache search keyword [another keyword ...] is often good enough |
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| 20:39.04 | jelly-home | dclarke: I'm sure Linux users would be VERY happy if you managed to transfer the Solaris knowhow to make USB on Linux suck less |
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| 20:43.42 | dclarke | jelly-home: I was thinking of looking into the opensolaris kernel sources but I'm not sure how one would transsfer that knowledge over to the Linux world |
| 20:43.57 | jelly-home | "not easily" |
| 20:44.18 | dclarke | ummm .. yes |
| 20:45.17 | dutchfish | hi, i am setting up a new network and have succefully configured a multi-instance transparent squid bridge. While that works well, it not always convinient to have cached data from servers over the wall. I want to configure squid in this setup to only cache data from certain servers. In this case debian-mirrors (this saves the most bandwidth). How to do that? |
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| 20:47.07 | jelly-home | I suppose there noone alive in #squid at present, eh? |
| 20:47.16 | mroe | dutchfish, debian-mirrors meaning for apt? |
| 20:47.24 | dutchfish | mroe: yes |
| 20:47.29 | mroe | why not setup an apt-cacher? |
| 20:47.33 | jelly-home | is. Talking like Yoda I am, hrrm |
| 20:47.35 | mroe | instead of using squid |
| 20:47.57 | dutchfish | mroe: that works well on a few machines, but this time it is a massive setup |
| 20:48.09 | mroe | huh? |
| 20:48.26 | dutchfish | mroe: about 400 machines |
| 20:48.30 | mroe | so |
| 20:49.19 | dutchfish | mroe: the second reason is that want to use squid as a monitor (through remote logging) of all the machines that have actually been updated. |
| 20:49.31 | mroe | I don't follow your logic. you are using squid to cache deb packages for you, why not use an actual mirror of your own |
| 20:49.53 | dutchfish | mroe: bandwidth |
| 20:50.21 | dutchfish | mroe: i have all but that |
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| 20:50.48 | mroe | a local debian mirror would do the same thing squid is doing |
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| 20:52.48 | dutchfish | mroe: 4 Arches, 2 debian versions, thats a massive amount to sync. |
| 20:53.12 | mroe | which is why I mentioned an apt-cacher first |
| 20:53.31 | dutchfish | mroe: 2nd: only a fraction of that i actually need |
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| 20:54.19 | dutchfish | mroe: in my example q, there is something more to it, it is not only debian mirrors, but my own mirros as well |
| 20:54.21 | krzysztof | hi all - jest może ktoŠz PL ? |
| 20:54.49 | jelly-home | !pl |
| 20:54.49 | dpkg | somebody said pl was polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 20:54.50 | dutchfish | mroe: if i only can get squid to be selective all is done |
| 20:55.05 | mroe | I'd ask #squid then |
| 20:55.16 | dutchfish | mroe: ok, thank you |
| 20:55.26 | mroe | but I still think an apt-cacher is the way to go |
| 20:55.27 | krzysztof | thx |
| 20:55.41 | dutchfish | mroe: noted, and thanks again :) |
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| 20:59.35 | dclarke | thanks folks .. |
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| 21:00.01 | Tobias| | When I remove an external monitor from my laptop, Debian decides that my laptop's brightness should be reduced to the minimum possible |
| 21:00.10 | Tobias| | Why is this? Is there a simple way through which I can fix this? |
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| 21:06.18 | dkr | toggle the external monitor button? function-something |
| 21:06.37 | dclarke | sorry for the noobish questions .. but with iotop I see multiple processes that all claim over 80% IO |
| 21:07.12 | dkr | dclarke: perhaps it's listing disks and partitions on that disk separately |
| 21:07.34 | Tobias| | That.. sounds bizzare, dkr o_O |
| 21:08.36 | dclarke | well .. I see something called a TID column and that is not a PID so not sure what that is yet. Perhaps the IO is reported as percent of time that the process is doing IO and that makes sense .. serious .. how could one claim to know what 100% of the IO of a system was and then to say that some process was x percent of that ? Not possible really |
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| 21:09.15 | dclarke | so now I am happy to see four "things" all at 99% IO |
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| 21:10.29 | dkr | " It also displays the percentage of time the thread/process spent while swapping in and while waiting on I/O." |
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| 21:10.40 | dkr | so that's % time waiting for io, not performing io |
| 21:10.59 | dclarke | looks ot be a very very large percent |
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| 21:11.06 | dclarke | like .. 98% or more |
| 21:11.22 | dkr | and my first remark about partitions only made sense for iostat, not iotop. heh |
| 21:11.40 | dclarke | what I am doing is copying everything off an external USB attached disk and then going to format that thing as ext4fs |
| 21:12.11 | dclarke | funny .. I have firewire also .. but I just don't see many external firewire disks |
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| 21:20.08 | ScottG | What would be the correct way to control what happens when I press the power button? It seems that when I press my power button now the /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh script is run. But manually modifying that system script doesn't seem like the right way to accomplish what I want. |
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| 21:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: What's wrong with the script? |
| 21:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Do you want it to make you a sandwich when you press the power button instead |
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| 21:27.47 | Tobias| | .. that'd be really cool |
| 21:27.50 | Tobias| | How can that be achieved? |
| 21:27.55 | Tobias| | Will I need sudo? |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | Tobias|: I think you'll need an arduino. |
| 21:28.22 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Usually there is some system in place because editing system scripts isn't usually the correct way (especially on a multi-user system). In this case it's a personal system but I always try to learn the correct way |
| 21:28.25 | gandhijee | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.43 | Tobias| | That actually looks pretty cool, jhutchins_lt |
| 21:28.51 | Tobias| | Going to read into it irrelevant of sandwiches :) |
| 21:28.57 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: You miss my point. Why isn't what already happens satisfactory? |
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| 21:30.46 | sjgf445fgfgf | hello |
| 21:31.14 | Tobias| | Cool /nick |
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| 21:32.05 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Oh, well I just want to add some unmounting functionality. Also, I'm curious. |
| 21:32.41 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt everything unmount automatically? |
| 21:34.48 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Oh, I also want it to always hibernate. |
| 21:34.56 | ScottG | unmout, then hibernate |
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| 21:35.22 | jeansch | Hi, making a nice package, i've played with quilt. And now, i have a problem: when i build my package, a 'new' patch raise from nowhere and is automaticaly added in my debian/patches directory (and series). I seems to come from dpkg-source. Somebody have an idea of from where this patch could be created ? quilt tell me nothing as i have removed the .pc directories (trying to clean that). |
| 21:36.00 | Arrowmaster | that sounds more like something you would change in the bios |
| 21:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: That makes sense. |
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| 21:36.26 | gusnan | jeansch, You could try #debian-mentors on the OFTC servers - they should know stuff like that. |
| 21:36.30 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: In fact, it makes enough sense that it should probably be the default behavior. |
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| 21:36.43 | jeansch | gusnan, thanks |
| 21:36.54 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Always hibernating? I don't think so. I just want to run pm-hibernate instead of shutdown. |
| 21:37.28 | dany | I have a problem: in my system now there are 3 os: win7, kubuntu 10.4 and now debian. I have just installed debian but now I can't access anymore to ubuntu. What can I do without a live disk? |
| 21:37.42 | ScottG | I mean, isn't there some standard for this on multi-user systems not based on the desktop environment? |
| 21:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: I'm pretty sure it at least flushes the caches, but always umounting network shares would be smart. |
| 21:37.43 | dany | and another thing.. do you kwow why there isn't the autocompletion feature when using root and apt-get? |
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| 21:38.59 | jelly-home | dany: which debian release have you installed? If you install and use grub-pc and os-prober as the boot loader, it should be able to detect other OSes and add them to the grub menu. |
| 21:39.04 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Yea, personally I have an external HD plugged in via USB that I want to unmount |
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| 21:39.52 | jhutchins_lt | I think if it were mine I'd just hack the script. |
| 21:39.56 | dany | jelly, I installed the stable one. So apt-get install grub-pc os-prober? |
| 21:40.09 | jelly-home | something like that, yes |
| 21:40.13 | Tobias| | Back to my question, why does Debian dim my laptop screen when I unplug my CRT? |
| 21:40.14 | dany | cool |
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| 21:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: On the other hand I think the idea's worthy of a feature request bugreport. |
| 21:40.34 | dany | jelly-home, ok I'm going to try it, cheers |
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| 21:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | Tobias|: Might not even be debian doing it. |
| 21:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | Tobias|: Logs. |
| 21:41.03 | debianoob | hey everybody! |
| 21:41.09 | Tobias| | Logs from where? |
| 21:41.11 | Tobias| | Which logs? |
| 21:41.15 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I'd like to mention that I run into this problem a lot. Doing a lot of things like this isn't that difficult but I really want to get experience in the way to do things on a multi-user system |
| 21:41.19 | jhutchins_lt | Whichever ones have useful info. |
| 21:41.37 | Tobias| | How am I meant to know which ones have useful info? |
| 21:41.38 | Tobias| | :< |
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| 21:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | Tobias|: dmesg, syslog, messages, xorg |
| 21:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | Wherever udev logs to. |
| 21:42.18 | Tobias| | Messages shows nothing |
| 21:42.18 | jelly-home | dany: when it asks you whether to put itself in the MBR or just to chainload itself to the existing grub 0.98, choose the latter -- else you might be completely unable to boot if the new boot loader breaks |
| 21:42.19 | debianoob | i did a upgrade last week from lenny to squeeze, and now i forget what im sposed to do about grub 1 bootstraping into grup2 |
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| 21:43.14 | debianoob | yea i cna verify chainloading works lol |
| 21:43.23 | debianoob | that wierd we have same q? |
| 21:44.06 | jelly-home | it's not the same, just a bit related |
| 21:44.07 | Tobias| | Also, is there something I'm missing in regards to getting my monitors to behave in a plug-and-play manner? |
| 21:44.23 | Tobias| | Seems I have to open up Gnome's configuration utility to get it to detect anything |
| 21:44.25 | dany | jelly-home, it doesn't say anything about it :( |
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| 21:44.47 | debianoob | what is it now xranrr |
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| 21:44.51 | debianoob | xrandr |
| 21:45.07 | debianoob | am i sposed to just remove grub 1? |
| 21:45.14 | debianoob | i think thats what it say |
| 21:45.17 | dany | jelly-home, damn it, now it doesn't recognize win7 :( |
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| 21:45.43 | debianoob | np grub is easy 2 cnfigure ;p |
| 21:46.10 | debianoob | so i uninstall grub 1 then what, i cant boot? |
| 21:46.13 | debianoob | ;p |
| 21:46.45 | debianoob | anyone who upgraded from grub1 to 2 i was happy with lilo |
| 21:46.50 | jelly-home | dany: you could also make a manual menu entry |
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| 21:47.09 | dany | jelly-home, what do I need? |
| 21:47.16 | jhutchins_lt | grub-update usually finds windows, although the installer often misses it, |
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| 21:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | Er, update-grub I guess. |
| 21:47.39 | dany | so do I need to do a update-grub? |
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| 21:47.50 | debianoob | ok maybe i had to do that then update-grub |
| 21:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | dany: tias |
| 21:47.54 | debianoob | then no boot? |
| 21:47.56 | debianoob | :D |
| 21:48.06 | dany | jhutchins_lt, tias? |
| 21:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | Try It And See |
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| 21:48.43 | debianoob | ok |
| 21:48.57 | debianoob | im going to uninstall grub 1 |
| 21:49.16 | debianoob | sorry grub 'legacy' |
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| 21:49.25 | dany | thanks anyway I'm going to try it |
| 21:49.58 | dimir | debianboobs |
| 21:50.04 | debianoob | um its not installed it is there 'grub-legacy' |
| 21:50.17 | debianoob | lol |
| 21:50.27 | dimir | :-D |
| 21:50.37 | debianoob | so .97 isnt legacy wth |
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| 21:50.55 | debianoob | ok it a 'dummy' transitoinal |
| 21:50.57 | debianoob | lol |
| 21:52.36 | debianoob | did you figure it out it will uninstall grub 2 then noooo |
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| 21:53.13 | debianoob | can i put lilo on then to and boot that to grub legacy, then boot into grub 2, then windows? |
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| 21:53.55 | Tobias| | o_o |
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| 21:54.09 | Tobias| | That's extraordinarly convoluted |
| 21:55.42 | debianoob | i really just want to use 1 bootloader so ..hmm |
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| 21:59.13 | debianoob | ok dont worry it tells you the command in grub legacy if you read |
| 21:59.29 | debianoob | upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
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| 22:04.42 | debianoob | i think the multimonitor is configured with xrandr no? |
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| 22:06.23 | alechiko | I installed a standard debian setup, and backed up to a tar.gz Now, im trying to encrypt my system (deleting the contents of the hard drives in the process) with the intent of restoring my backup to the newly encrypted drives. |
| 22:06.46 | alechiko | There are a lot of guides out there about migrating to LVM, encrypting drives, migrating to and encrypting LVMs etc etc. |
| 22:07.40 | alechiko | Im not quite sure if i need an LVM, and want to know, if its possible to migrate a encrypted, Non-LVM system, to an encrypted LVM system without too much trouble. |
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| 22:09.21 | debianoob | alechiko: how will you be testing this? |
| 22:09.46 | debianoob | e.g. how many disks partitions and so on |
| 22:11.53 | alechiko | debianoob: I have 2 drives in my EeePC. Both are solid state/flash. One is 4Gb (/sda) and the other 16Gb (/sdb) the write speeds on the /sdb are actually a fraction faster. I think its the best choice to put the root file system and swap (both encrypted) on the larger drive, and then setup an LVM for them, but then im wasting a lot of space on the other drive for just a boot partition |
| 22:12.26 | alechiko | Does that make any sense? |
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| 22:13.28 | debianoob | alechiko: yeah.. you may be correct about swap faster on larger faster drive... but not sure |
| 22:13.44 | alechiko | My other option is not to use LVM and setup the system with a /boot partition on USBdrive, encrypted swap, encrypted /tmp encrypted / |
| 22:13.59 | alechiko | im kinda not sure what the right question to ask is |
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| 22:18.32 | reber | hi. I mixed squeeze and lenny and some ubuntu packages. How to know where from are each package ? |
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| 22:20.08 | debianoob | alechiko: it is prpbably dd | encryption of=sda1 |
| 22:20.26 | debianoob | try at own risk |
| 22:22.38 | debianoob | lvm i do not think is necessary |
| 22:23.38 | debianoob | it might increase performance somehow in that situation to set up 2 -3 lvm partitions over 2 disks and then encrypt dump backup on them |
| 22:23.39 | karlpinc | reber: That was a very bad idea. Use dpkg -S. |
| 22:24.07 | karlpinc | debianoob: Performance is what raid is for. |
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| 22:24.28 | reber | karlpinc, dpkg -S what ? |
| 22:25.02 | karlpinc | reber: Whatever package you want to know what's in it. Ah, but you want to know what packages are from where. I believe that's what apt-cacher does. |
| 22:25.03 | debianoob | ok i thought it just writes partition over mult disk then raid is setup on top optionally |
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| 22:25.37 | debianoob | so yeah make 2 lvm partitions, raid 0 them and you will be fast |
| 22:26.10 | karlpinc | debianoob: Raid is setup underneath. Raid first, then partition/lvm or whatever. |
| 22:26.30 | debianoob | software raid? |
| 22:26.34 | karlpinc | debianoob: (Although you can partition and then raid too.) |
| 22:26.36 | karlpinc | debianoob: yes. |
| 22:26.43 | reber | karlpinc, apt-cacher - Caching proxy for Debian package and source files <--- what has this something to do with my request ? |
| 22:26.51 | debianoob | im talking about software raid |
| 22:27.03 | debianoob | well he doesnt havve raid and you say it |
| 22:27.17 | karlpinc | reber: It tells you what repo something will be gotten from (and maybe where it already came from, I don't know.) |
| 22:27.28 | debianoob | so i assume you mean software raid whick is lvm then raid |
| 22:27.29 | karlpinc | debianoob: I'm talking about software raid also. |
| 22:27.46 | karlpinc | debianoob: No. Software raid works best if you first raid and then lvm. |
| 22:27.58 | debianoob | hmm i cant remember maybe you are correct then |
| 22:28.27 | karlpinc | reber: Oops. apt-cache |
| 22:28.43 | karlpinc | reber: Sorry. Got an r in there by accident. |
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| 22:28.59 | debianoob | over a yera its been have to use raid only no hardware raid key so software was only othere option |
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| 22:29.32 | reber | erm |
| 22:29.42 | karlpinc | debianoob: Software raid is best unless you can keep a spare compatible hardware raid controller on hand. |
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| 22:31.29 | OpenTokix | hardware is nice at 4am when you just want to pull a drive and put another one =) |
| 22:31.39 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 22:32.06 | nevyn | but if you're not spending minimum 500 on a raid card software raid is almost certainly faster and more reliable. |
| 22:32.12 | reber | karlpinc, i did never ever saw any informations like where the package came from in apt-cache. Maybe i didn't search too deep, but i did it again right now and nothing better |
| 22:32.14 | debianoob | ok yeah i remember 2 x8gb scsi software raid 1 then lvm partition i think that sounds right |
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| 22:33.24 | jmeeuwen | hello there, i have a question on how to build package B when it depends on changes made in package A, when building locally through cowbuilder |
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| 22:36.02 | debianoob | karlpinc: just thingking that since there is a large size differenc in disks: 4 vs 16gb then he could lvm them into 2 smae sized partition them raid 0 them :D |
| 22:36.29 | debianoob | would that work ? |
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| 22:37.56 | debianoob | damn i forgot someting @ store........ |
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| 22:45.42 | debianoob | karlpinc: i usually with single disk partition to install to choose the no lvm option |
| 22:46.01 | debianoob | maybe it is better? |
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| 22:48.26 | ginet | my policy is system on single drive raid for data |
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| 22:49.36 | Arch_ | Hey, I seem to be having problems with apt. It often and randomly says it can't resolve sources when I update or upgrade. I can't seem to find any reason or pattern to it. I can go to the URL in my browser just fine when it does this. Is there a known bug or known causes to this? |
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| 22:49.59 | eshat | Why isn't debian improving it's verbose boot output (visually) by adding colors (like gentoodoes f.e.). It is a simple patch to /lib/lsb/init-functions |
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| 22:50.39 | abrotman | eshat: patches welcome |
| 22:50.52 | debianoob | ginet: ty, that sounds reasonable.. i like the single drive system for backups then... |
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| 22:51.04 | eshat | abrotman: the maintainer of lsb-seems to not be very active, since the package has lintian errors |
| 22:51.38 | eshat | abrotman: but you are right, I'll post a bug |
| 22:51.45 | TiMiDo | eshat, fix it up, and submit a bug |
| 22:51.49 | debianoob | ginet: eg easier for disk utilities to deal with 1 partition |
| 22:51.52 | abrotman | i'm sure there is already a bug in there |
| 22:51.58 | jelly-home | hates colors in bootup |
| 22:52.19 | eshat | jelly-home: why, I think you will notice errors easier this way |
| 22:52.35 | jelly-home | I'm used to Starting Foo Description: foo... done. |
| 22:52.38 | eshat | since they can be outputted in red |
| 22:52.43 | jelly-home | man, fuck red |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | you could just .. you know .. read the output ? |
| 22:53.05 | eshat | abrotman: machines become faster nowadays |
| 22:53.21 | abrotman | you can read the boot log? |
| 22:53.24 | eshat | and if you have a lot of srevices starting, it is hard to follow output by reading |
| 22:53.25 | jelly-home | eshat: I agree it should be done, though... it's probably more readable for other people. |
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| 22:55.00 | eshat | you could... you could... blaa... I am talking about the easiest way for main users, not only the geeks. Which ordinary user reads boot logs, if he isn't aware of errors during boot |
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| 22:55.36 | eshat | is filing a bug |
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| 23:00.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: the boot log that's not enabled by default? |
| 23:00.47 | eshat | there is already a bug |
| 23:00.56 | eshat | from march 2007 |
| 23:01.01 | eshat | no reply yet |
| 23:01.02 | jelly-home | heh |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: yeah, you know .. that one |
| 23:01.26 | jelly-home | I know... Debian needs more user friendly defaults. |
| 23:02.23 | Arrowmaster | eshat: are you sure it doesnt already have colors? i swear i remember seeing failed messages in red |
| 23:02.53 | Arrowmaster | especially in shutdown since it always fails to unmount my swap drive |
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| 23:04.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: i never understood why it wasn't enabled by default, but don't care enough to really find out |
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| 23:05.20 | eshat | Arrowmaster: I do not know, since I have a personalised init-functions file ... |
| 23:05.58 | pfred1 | does swap matter on a shutdown? if you don't suspend to it? |
| 23:06.18 | jelly-home | !bootlogd |
| 23:06.18 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 23:07.38 | pfred1 | don't boot messages get logged to syslog? mine seem to |
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| 23:07.55 | Parabola | does the debian installer have enough support for fakeraid, that i can resize my NTFS partition ? |
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| 23:12.19 | eshat | Did someone type google into google ? I have the feeling the whole internet broke ... |
| 23:12.25 | Parabola | haha |
| 23:12.30 | Parabola | why do you say taht |
| 23:12.58 | eshat | My IRC is working, but browsing isn't possible atm |
| 23:13.22 | pfred1 | usually means dns died |
| 23:13.57 | eshat | pfred1: just found that out too |
| 23:14.08 | eshat | what was the google DNS ? 8.8.8.8 ? I'll try that |
| 23:14.17 | pfred1 | try dig netscape.com or something |
| 23:14.30 | eshat | pfred1: yeah, does not work... |
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| 23:14.40 | pfred1 | yeah your ISPs DNS died maybe |
| 23:14.50 | pfred1 | it happens |
| 23:15.33 | pfred1 | is still in good shape here |
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| 23:17.30 | Parabola | google is 8.8.8.8 , i also have very good luck with verizons, 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 |
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| 23:17.41 | Parabola | good resolution times, never had an issue :) |
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| 23:19.42 | Parabola | anyone know if the debian installer has out of the box support for fakeraid? |
| 23:19.49 | Parabola | i see ubuntu has had it since 2008, so their wiki says |
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| 23:22.01 | abrotman | Parabola: it does, but i don't think i would trust it to resize my NTFS stuff .. just make sure oyu have a backup first |
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| 23:22.34 | eshat | Is e17 usable as a replacement for gnome or KDE now ? |
| 23:22.45 | Parabola | eshat: no |
| 23:22.48 | Parabola | its not a DE its just a WM |
| 23:23.05 | Parabola | abrotman: thank you mate, i'll use gparted |
| 23:23.06 | eshat | Parabola: but it has much more, than simple WMs |
| 23:23.17 | Parabola | yeah its a framework now |
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| 23:23.46 | eshat | so is e17 not recommended ? |
| 23:23.47 | abrotman | eshat: yes, you can use it as your WM/DE .. try it and see |
| 23:24.10 | eshat | or is there any modern WM/DE I should check out ? |
| 23:24.42 | Parabola | forgive my stupdi questions, been a while since i tried to use linux on a new desktop.. OSS4 in the deb repos? |
| 23:25.53 | khem_ | [root@paris /]# fuser -k /vm01 |
| 23:25.53 | khem_ | [root@paris /]# umount /vm01 |
| 23:25.53 | khem_ | umount: /vm01: device is busy |
| 23:25.57 | khem_ | what is there to do? |
| 23:26.02 | khem_ | would prefer not to reboot the machine |
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| 23:26.40 | eshat | khem_: check lsof | grep /vm01 |
| 23:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions oss |
| 23:27.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss' was found in i386. |
| 23:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions oss4 |
| 23:27.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4' was found in i386. |
| 23:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | Parabola: Do you mean the sound server? |
| 23:27.31 | eshat | khem_: and close the application using files in that directory (maybe filemanger) |
| 23:27.35 | Parabola | jhutchins up |
| 23:27.37 | Parabola | yup ** |
| 23:27.43 | Parabola | i do not want PA |
| 23:27.54 | khem_ | eshat: nothing there :-( |
| 23:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | It's been pretty much replaced by alsa (which is being overrun by pulseaudio). |
| 23:28.16 | Parabola | jhutchins um, OSS4 is actually open source now |
| 23:28.24 | Parabola | i didnt know about this until today myself |
| 23:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | THe few programs that use oss can use an osswrapper on alsa. |
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| 23:28.43 | eshat | khem_: try fusermount -u /vm01 |
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| 23:29.22 | Parabola | jhutchins: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919 |
| 23:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | Parabola: I know, but almost no programs use it. |
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| 23:30.46 | Parabola | oh :( |
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| 23:31.07 | Parabola | i wanted to be able to have multiple audio streams |
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| 23:33.38 | Arrowmaster | you cant do that with alsa? |
| 23:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | pulseaudio might be able to do that for you. The problem is they know it doesn't work yet so there's no real user interface. |
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| 23:35.00 | Parabola | pa has lots of issues yeah |
| 23:35.02 | Parabola | alsa is fine |
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| 23:35.17 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: I've never really tried it. Supposedly alsa is working on the multi-stream sound server thing too, but it hasn't made it into distribution. |
| 23:36.26 | Arrowmaster | oh like how with pulse you can change the volume of individual applications? i thought he was just meaning something like software mixer |
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| 23:40.03 | Parabola | wtf i hate windows |
| 23:40.09 | Parabola | i cant burn the iso for debian, it says theres no CD in the drive |
| 23:40.11 | Parabola | its out to get me |
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| 23:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | There are rumors that OEM W7 can prevent you from booting from an install disk or usb. |
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| 23:50.20 | abrotman | I have a laptop with win7pro .. i installed squeeze just fine |
| 23:51.06 | jmeeuwen | you "upgraded" ;-) |
| 23:51.09 | stew | abrotman: please go to #windows for help with win7pro, 10x |
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| 23:51.40 | abrotman | help? |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | notifies stew that it is now ##windows ... lame-oid |
| 23:52.16 | stew | oh snap |
| 23:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Was it an OEM install? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: do you think i built my own laptop ? |
| 23:53.09 | jmeeuwen | hey, why not, right? |
| 23:53.11 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Coulda been an XP upgrade or somethin. |
| 23:53.42 | jmeeuwen | build your own laptop, awesome, then purchase win7pro to install squeeze on top of it |
| 23:53.50 | jmeeuwen | sounds worthy of an xkcd |
| 23:55.34 | xand | jhutchins_lt: sounds like nonsense. |
| 23:56.24 | jhutchins_lt | xand: I agree, unlikely, but I had strange behavior on mine and I've seen one other. Too few datapoints yet. |
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| 23:56.50 | jhutchins_lt | I also didn't care enough to preserve w7 so I just nuked it. |
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