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| 00:01.16 | debianer | the wlan light is not on |
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| 00:02.04 | debianer | pallgone: my debian6.0 can not use wlan,the light will never on |
| 00:02.06 | J_P | I would like to use 10 3g USB modems simultanously doing just one BIG virtual link peer-to-peer. well, the hardware has just 2 usb, but I have only one USB free for that 10 3g modens. question is: if I add one USB hub to one USB port, Can I to use that's modems simultaneously? |
| 00:03.00 | debianer | pallgone: but the wlan can be used in 5.07 |
| 00:03.22 | maher | J_P: in theory yes but i don't know what your throughput will be |
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| 00:03.38 | maher | debianer: what chipset |
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| 00:04.22 | debianer | maher: let me see |
| 00:05.07 | J_P | maher: but on debian will be just one devide /dev/usb... right for all, or usb hub will create aditional devices? |
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| 00:06.09 | debianer | maher: where can I find it?It was inside the computer |
| 00:06.47 | maher | J_P: additional devices |
| 00:06.57 | maher | debianer: try lspci |
| 00:08.35 | J_P | maher: well, so in theory, if USB 2.0 is 480Mbit/s 10 3g modens will be ~10mbit/s.. so will not be problem with throuhput... in theory |
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| 00:09.27 | maher | J_P: it will be interesting to see what throughput you actually get |
| 00:10.50 | J_P | maher: with that 10 3g modens connected? I don't have they yet.. |
| 00:11.17 | debianer | maher: lspci is here http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82074 I don't know which one is the wlan card |
| 00:11.48 | debianer | maher: can you look it for me? http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82074 |
| 00:12.25 | J_P | debianer: line 22 |
| 00:12.52 | debianer | J_P: thx,then how can I use it? |
| 00:13.13 | J_P | debianer: iwconfig will be show your wlan interface.. |
| 00:13.20 | maher | debianer: # |
| 00:13.20 | maher | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 00:13.34 | J_P | debianer: and to configure too you can to use iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 00:14.01 | debianer | Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
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| 00:14.45 | debianer | J_P: I can use iwconfig directly? |
| 00:15.13 | debianer | J_P: iwconfig: command not found |
| 00:15.23 | J_P | debianer: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 00:15.33 | debianer | J_P: ok |
| 00:16.25 | debianer | J_P: wireless-tools is the latest! |
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| 00:16.40 | debianer | J_P: I have installed it ago |
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| 00:16.55 | debianer | J_P: but I can not iwconfig |
| 00:17.09 | J_P | debianer: try 'which iwconfig' |
| 00:17.22 | maher | debianer: try becoming root or typing /sbin/iwconfig |
| 00:17.30 | debianer | J_P: no result |
| 00:17.57 | J_P | maher: the 'which' not show for he |
| 00:18.05 | J_P | so root will not works too |
| 00:18.14 | J_P | debianer: are you sire wireless-tools installed? |
| 00:18.17 | J_P | sure |
| 00:18.51 | debianer | J_P: sure it was installed ago |
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| 00:19.14 | debianer | J_P: maher /sbin/iwconfig result is here http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82075 |
| 00:19.51 | mmnicolas | ls |
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| 00:20.24 | maher | debianer: does it show up in network-manager? |
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| 00:21.18 | debianer | maher: no |
| 00:21.40 | debianer | maher: there is nothing in network-manager wlan |
| 00:21.44 | tobiasq | debianer: what is the output of 'groups' ? |
| 00:22.09 | debianer | debianer@debian:~$ groups |
| 00:22.19 | debianer | debianer cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner |
| 00:22.20 | debianer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:22.42 | debianer | tobiasq: debianer cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner |
| 00:23.00 | maher | help! my filename encoding or something is up the creek and i have no idea why... ls produces: 03_Der_Vogelf?nger_bin_ich_ja.ogg but tab complete produces 03_Der_Vogelfänger_bin_ich_ja.ogg |
| 00:23.29 | Cullz | maher: weird character in there? maybe doesnt handle it |
| 00:23.42 | maher | Cullz: but why does tab complete work but not ls? |
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| 00:24.00 | Cullz | maher: maybe they use different font libraries |
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| 00:24.39 | maher | Cullz: in the same terminal? |
| 00:24.58 | Cullz | maher: yes, they're two different programs right? |
| 00:25.21 | maher | Cullz: how do i find out which font library each one is using? |
| 00:25.48 | Cullz | what is tab complete? |
| 00:26.09 | maher | Cullz: when you type the first bit of the file and then press tab |
| 00:26.50 | Cullz | maher: ah, i misunderstood |
| 00:27.22 | debianer | tobiasq: what can I do? |
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| 00:29.51 | maher | debianer: try typing nm-tool status and see if it says anything useful |
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| 00:31.32 | debianer | maher: what can I do? |
| 00:31.43 | tobiasq | debianer: are you running this on a laptop - does there happen to be a wireless on/off keyboard shortcut or switch? |
| 00:32.22 | debianer | tobiasq: I have done that,but the light will never on. |
| 00:32.59 | maher | debianer: what does "nm-tool status" say |
| 00:33.18 | debianer | tobiasq: the light will on in other systems |
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| 00:34.24 | queso | So I just finished installing squeeze on my new laptop, removed the disc, and boot into it. It doesn't load . . just sits there with a black screen, and after a few seconds after it has booted (into the blank screen) it makes a strange buzzing noise for a short moment. What's going on? |
| 00:35.06 | doublehp | NFS issue : http://pastebin.com/DAXEnb2w any idea ? |
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| 00:35.38 | debianer | maher: "nm-tool status" say this http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82076 |
| 00:36.01 | shalok | How do I configure alsa to use pulseaudio? |
| 00:36.39 | maher | debianer: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 00:37.14 | maher | queso: can you get a console with ctrl-alt f1 |
| 00:37.22 | queso | maher: no :( |
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| 00:38.44 | tobiasq | shalok: put http://debian.pastebin.com/XUzVnMGi in /etc/asound.conf |
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| 00:40.16 | debianer | maher: I'm trying |
| 00:40.25 | yoshio | maher: type "locales" - is that the expected output? |
| 00:40.48 | maher | queso: ummm.... it doesn't work |
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| 00:41.25 | queso | maher: things I did different than a default install -- set desktop=xfce and used ext4 |
| 00:41.36 | maher | yoshio: it all says en_GB.UTF-8 except LC=ALL= |
| 00:42.09 | maher | queso: can you still boot off the install media? |
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| 00:42.29 | queso | maher: I haven't tried that -- what do you mean? |
| 00:42.38 | bzaks1424 | Is there an intelligent way to have Xorg realize I have a synaptic touch pad and not just a "mouse" ? |
| 00:42.49 | shalok | tobiasq, thanks. |
| 00:43.23 | bzaks1424 | (as opposed to hacking up the xorg.conf of course) |
| 00:44.25 | maher | queso: if you can boot of the install media you can choose rescue mode and see if you can work out why its not booting |
| 00:44.43 | queso | maher: okay, I'll try that |
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| 00:46.00 | sedulous | (Linux) is it possible to specify multiple routes for a certain destination and let a userspace program choose which route to use? |
| 00:46.31 | queso | maher: what does the rescue mode do? |
| 00:47.49 | maher | queso: it boots of the install kernel and then gives you a chroot on the main install |
| 00:49.05 | yagoo | sedulous, i don't think so.. but you can use a proxy agent to imitate that |
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| 00:49.16 | debianer | maher: debianer@debian:~$ modprobe iwl3945 |
| 00:49.16 | debianer | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 00:49.16 | debianer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.36 | queso | maher: well, at this point, I have no idea where to look to see what's wrong, even though it can drop me into a shell on / |
| 00:49.37 | maher | debianer: it should be already loaded check with lsmod |
| 00:49.58 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: you can bind client programs to given source IPs and then route per-source, for example |
| 00:50.02 | maher | queso: you can look at /var/log/syslog and see if it got anywhere in the boot process... |
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| 00:50.17 | debianer | maher: then what can I do? |
| 00:50.37 | maher | queso: if there's no logs its probably a boot issue with grub or whatever |
| 00:50.38 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: but per-packet decision, like NFQUEUE in iptables (handing it over to userspace), is beyond reach in Linux |
| 00:50.41 | sedulous | thewanderer1: nice! |
| 00:50.43 | yagoo | blinks at modprobe command not found and starts biting his own nails |
| 00:50.51 | yagoo | omg command not found |
| 00:50.55 | sedulous | thewanderer1: by source routing is good enough! |
| 00:50.56 | yagoo | think think.. |
| 00:51.00 | sedulous | thank you |
| 00:51.03 | maher | yagoo: relax |
| 00:51.12 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: so search for "policy routing" |
| 00:51.30 | debianer | maher: ok now |
| 00:51.39 | maher | there's some command that displays too files line by line in columns on your terminal - does anyone remember what it is? |
| 00:51.53 | maher | s/too/two/ |
| 00:51.54 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: you'll need to patch a few programs, too, or invent clever hacks involving overriding bind(), I think :P |
| 00:52.11 | debianer | maher: I can use it by "/sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 00:52.36 | sedulous | thewanderer1: my ultimate goal is to have "lftp" use multiple connections in a round-robin fashion, for parallel transfers :) |
| 00:52.41 | maher | debianer: cool |
| 00:53.04 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: for this, you shouldn't need a very complex setup |
| 00:53.09 | debianer | maher: the light is on now |
| 00:53.15 | sedulous | thewanderer1: i will have to patch lftp though |
| 00:53.40 | queso | maher: it booted okay. /var/log/syslog is there, but I don't see any obvious errors that could be the issue. it booted, displayed all the processes it was starting, then just turns black and sits there. I think I'll do a fresh install off the CD, use ext4, and gnome (can get xfce later) |
| 00:53.43 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: you should browse shorewall's documentation under topic name "Multi ISP" and see what they have to offer - it's always a good starting point to learn |
| 00:54.16 | debianer | maher: but cannot use wlan |
| 00:54.21 | maher | queso: check the X log |
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| 00:54.31 | peterrooney | maher: diff -y ??? |
| 00:54.36 | debianer | maher: can not find it in net-manager |
| 00:54.36 | yagoo | debianer, is the mac address not 00:00:00 when u see if with ifconfig ? |
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| 00:54.56 | maher | peterrooney: thanks! |
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| 00:56.02 | debianer | yagoo: wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:02:6a:e2:54 |
| 00:56.18 | yagoo | debianer, ohh hoo!! rainbow man! :) |
| 00:56.34 | yagoo | debianer, what is the make of it again? |
| 00:57.02 | debianer | yagoo: the same result |
| 00:57.21 | debianer | yagoo: what do you mean? |
| 00:58.11 | yagoo | debianer, am looking |
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| 00:59.09 | yagoo | debianer, http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=17045&ProdId=2259&lang=eng |
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| 00:59.31 | yagoo | debianer, i believe intel has made drivers and that wifi should be favorable towards linux |
| 01:00.15 | maher | debianer: did you install the intel firmware? |
| 01:00.48 | yagoo | debianer, http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/ << is the homesite.. btw.. what kern ver are u using? |
| 01:00.55 | yagoo | (site is down atm for me) |
| 01:01.04 | debianer | maher: yes, firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:01.19 | yagoo | firmware ? |
| 01:01.26 | yagoo | really? |
| 01:01.27 | yagoo | hmm |
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| 01:01.36 | debianer | yagoo: but I can use it directly in ubuntu |
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| 01:02.10 | yagoo | debianer, what do you mean by firmware here? |
| 01:02.20 | yagoo | debianer, is it like microcode? |
| 01:02.23 | maher | debianer: what does nmcli dev say |
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| 01:03.22 | debianer | maher: wlan0 802-11-wireless cannot be used |
| 01:03.52 | debianer | maher: eth0 802-3-ethernet connected |
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| 01:04.08 | doublehp | maher: define "can not be used" |
| 01:04.30 | maher | debianer: do modprobe -r <modulename> and then modprobe <modulename>, and then see what dmesg says |
| 01:04.36 | doublehp | debianer: FYI: it's not 802-3 but 802.3 . it's a dot |
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| 01:05.11 | debianer | doublehp: it is this,not dot |
| 01:05.31 | debianer | maher: what modulename here? |
| 01:05.41 | maher | debianer: iwxxxx whatever |
| 01:05.57 | maher | debianer: iwl3945 |
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| 01:07.33 | debianer | maher: /sbin/modprobe -r iwl3945 say error |
| 01:07.39 | debianer | maher: FATAL: Error removing iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:07.39 | debianer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.28 | maher | debianer: are you root? |
| 01:08.39 | debianer | maher: no,let me try in root |
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| 01:10.02 | francisco | i need a control sound manger |
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| 01:10.11 | yagoo | debianer, where's this firmware from? |
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| 01:10.15 | debianer | maher: not result |
| 01:10.19 | yagoo | debianer, you sure it's made for your wifi? |
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| 01:10.32 | maher | debianer: and modprobe iwl3945 |
| 01:10.46 | debianer | maher: no result too |
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| 01:11.21 | maher | debianer: now try nmcli dev again |
| 01:11.23 | debianer | yagoo: here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 01:12.19 | debianer | maher: the same result wlan0 802-11-wireless can not be used |
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| 01:12.56 | maher | debianer: paste the last 10 lines or so of dmesg into the pastebin |
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| 01:13.12 | debianer | maher: only two lines |
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| 01:13.48 | debianer | maher: 3 liness |
| 01:14.46 | maher | debianer: ok - paste them into pastebin |
| 01:15.21 | debianer | maher: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82077 |
| 01:15.45 | roobal | maher: show lspci -k |
| 01:15.57 | debianer | maher: the last words are chinese,mean can not be used,the other line last words means conecting |
| 01:16.16 | debianer | roobal: are you say to me? |
| 01:16.28 | maher | debianer: i meant paste the output of dmesg - but if its all in chinese its not going to be very enlightenign for me |
| 01:16.43 | roobal | no, to maher |
| 01:18.02 | debianer | maher: no,dmesg is not chines,is english,but too many |
| 01:18.18 | maher | debianer: just paste the last bunch o flines |
| 01:19.09 | roobal | @maher show lspci -k to see which module kernel needs to use |
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| 01:19.51 | maher | roobal: i think its the right module, see http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82074 |
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| 01:20.06 | roobal | i saw it, but there is nothiing |
| 01:20.14 | debianer | maher: here http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/82078 |
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| 01:22.09 | maher | debianer: ok - i dunno |
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| 01:24.52 | debianer | maher: what do you mean |
| 01:25.19 | debianer | maher: -i dunno what mean? |
| 01:25.24 | Judge-- | hello.. How could I use ps x | grep process-name and avoid that the grep execution entry being listed? |
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| 01:25.30 | maher | debianer: it seems you have the right driver, it gets loaded without complaint - I don't know why network manager isn't using it |
| 01:25.52 | debianer | maher: oh |
| 01:25.58 | roobal | @maher what version of Debian do you have? |
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| 01:26.47 | maher | roobal: i'm on squeeze - but i'm not the one with the problem with the wireless card |
| 01:27.24 | roobal | ok, then you can add non-free repository... |
| 01:27.54 | debianer | maher: im on squeeze too |
| 01:28.30 | Arrowmaster | Judge--: do you have pgrep? |
| 01:28.53 | roobal | and install firmware-iwlwifi and ipw3945d |
| 01:29.15 | debianer | maher: now,It Can Work now! |
| 01:29.19 | Judge-- | Arrowmaster yes, but never have used it before |
| 01:29.27 | Judge-- | going to take a look |
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| 01:29.59 | debianer | maher: it can work now.after I turn off the key and open it again |
| 01:30.24 | debianer | maher: thank you very much!!!! |
| 01:30.31 | debianer | maher: thank you |
| 01:30.50 | debianer | maher: let me reboot |
| 01:31.25 | roobal | maher: you can check also this thread http://tiny.pl/hw6j8 |
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| 01:32.56 | Arrowmaster | Judge--: `pgrep name | xargs ps -fp` seems to work surprisingly well for getting the -f output |
| 01:33.19 | Judge-- | thank you |
| 01:33.24 | Judge-- | I was just using the pid |
| 01:33.45 | maher | roobal: i think debianer was probably just missing the firmware - btw the translation is very entertaining |
| 01:33.47 | Judge-- | thanks |
| 01:33.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah for just pid, pgreps default behavior is perfect |
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| 01:36.52 | belak | Alright, I'm trying to install debian testing with btrfs as my root. I made my /boot as ext2. When I start up my computer it says it can't find module btrfs. Any ideas? |
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| 01:36.58 | debianer | maher: ok,very good now |
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| 01:37.13 | debianer | maher: why i can not use wlan ago? |
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| 01:37.33 | maher | debianer: i think you were just missing the firmware |
| 01:37.45 | debianer | maher: thank you |
| 01:37.56 | debianer | maher: I love debian so much |
| 01:38.03 | maher | belak: maybe it didn't make it into the initramfs - try rebuilding them |
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| 01:38.24 | debianer | maher: do you have gtalk? |
| 01:38.30 | debianer | maher: or msn |
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| 01:38.42 | belak | maher: how? |
| 01:40.16 | maher | belak: update-initramfs -k all (i think - check the man page) |
| 01:41.19 | belak | -u or -c ? |
| 01:41.50 | maher | belak: -u |
| 01:42.10 | maher | belak: in fact - don't do all - only do the one you are trying to boot off |
| 01:42.18 | belak | It seems like 2.6.32 is a little outdated... should it be a newer version for testing? |
| 01:42.38 | pipeline | nope |
| 01:42.59 | belak | ok |
| 01:43.07 | belak | I'll try and if it doesn't work, I'll be back |
| 01:43.08 | belak | Thanks |
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| 01:51.23 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! How can I use lvm on the installation of squeeze? |
| 01:52.33 | pipeline | Emmanuel_Chanel: just run through the installer -- it defaults to the use of lvm |
| 01:53.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: I thought so. But my installer CD1 doesn't show lvm partitioning on its partitioner... |
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| 01:55.27 | FluxD | Can I ask debian apache questions here? |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | you cna try |
| 01:56.41 | deepy | You can also ask them in #httpd if you don't mind the complaints about how debian handles things |
| 01:56.52 | FluxD | ^ that is why I was asking |
| 01:56.53 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: The CD image is debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-CD-1.iso , at 2010-12-10 17:42:18 UTC |
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| 01:57.37 | FluxD | Hi, I want to do apache with and without ssl. What do I need to get ssl working? I did a2enmod ssl, then copy and edit default-ssl file, what is the next step |
| 02:01.47 | abrotman | restart apache |
| 02:04.03 | FluxD | I did and gettin the error SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. error logs are saying Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01 |
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| 02:05.29 | stew | FluxD: you are talking https to a port that is trying to talk http back to you |
| 02:05.47 | FluxD | stew, yea googling told me that, so what step am I messing up on ? |
| 02:06.39 | FluxD | should I disable <IfModule mod_ssl.c> in ports.conf ? |
| 02:06.56 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: Can you help me? ...... I wanna shout...... |
| 02:07.22 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Or in your English environment, you can? ok. I try... |
| 02:08.06 | stew | FluxD: no. does your virtualhost have SSLEngine on ? |
| 02:08.20 | FluxD | stew, yes in default-ssl file I copied |
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| 02:08.41 | stew | FluxD: you copied it to sites-available or sites-enabled? |
| 02:09.46 | FluxD | Hmm, wow I can't believe I did such a dumb mistake, I didnt do a2ensite |
| 02:09.49 | pipeline | Emmanuel_Chanel: it will prompt you for like, "use whole disk with lvm" |
| 02:09.52 | pipeline | Emmanuel_Chanel: just accept that default prompt |
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| 02:10.15 | pipeline | Emmanuel_Chanel: if you want to set up lvm yourself it's more complicated. IIRC you have to create two partitions, one /boot, one LVM PV, then create a VG, then begin laying out your LVM config |
| 02:10.20 | pipeline | Emmanuel_Chanel: you're better off to accept the defaults |
| 02:10.56 | Vasistha | Using command-line mplayer, I can watch a video. But if I try to use gmplayer, it tells me "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." Any clues? |
| 02:11.06 | Vasistha | oh .. uh .. maybe I should ask in #mplayer . heh |
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| 02:12.11 | FluxD | stew, sorry but the problem was because of not enabling the site |
| 02:12.19 | worick | what is the significance of "exec %f" following a command? |
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| 02:16.05 | doublehp | how do i specify my framebuffer driver ? |
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| 02:18.29 | HAITI | cheers |
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| 02:25.56 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: The latter, I want to set up lvm by myself. |
| 02:26.13 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: partitioner doesn't show the way to set up lvm. |
| 02:26.26 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline: So I'm almost shouting here! |
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| 02:30.02 | macrobat | Emmanuel_Chanel: can't you setup lvm in another vt? |
| 02:30.29 | macrobat | maybe it is easier on a live cd |
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| 02:31.41 | belak | Alright, I'm trying to install debian testing. I set the /boot partition to ext2 and the / partition to btrfs. I did a netinstall with the latest amd64 disk. Essentially when I booted in, it failed, saying can't load module btrfs. Invalid symbol. |
| 02:31.45 | belak | Any ideas? |
| 02:31.56 | belak | I already tried regenerating the initramfs |
| 02:31.59 | trebuchet | belak: Are you trying to use zlib compression with btrfs? |
| 02:32.01 | FluxD | Is the Subject Altnerative Names something done by the CA or the client in case of certificates? |
| 02:32.09 | belak | Just set the default options |
| 02:32.41 | trebuchet | belak: Hmm, not sure. Sorry then. |
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| 02:35.41 | pfred1 | hmm I saw it when i upgraded but I forgot the command to revert to grub 1 in squeeze |
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| 02:37.23 | belak | What command can I use to see all files that are part of a package? |
| 02:37.32 | pfred1 | dpkg -L |
| 02:37.32 | dpkg | pfred1: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:38.01 | peterrooney | belak: dpkg -L |
| 02:38.03 | pfred1 | belak dpkg -L |
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| 02:38.18 | sedulous | FluxD: they're part of the certificate, i.e. you add them when you generate your cert which is later signed by the CA |
| 02:38.18 | belak | Then there's an issue with debian-installer |
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| 02:38.53 | sedulous | FluxD: however some CAs like startssl.com don't allow any or only a limited number of SAN -- which is purely done do extract more money out of customers |
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| 02:39.08 | belak | If you select btrfs for a filesystem, it doesn't install btrfs-tools which doesn't install the initrd hooks which makes it so the root filesystem won't mount. |
| 02:39.14 | jaja911 | yoo |
| 02:39.22 | jaja911 | Hello? |
| 02:39.38 | FluxD | sedulous, I am doing a self signed certificate, the csr has the SAN, but the end result certificate does not have it. any ideas ? |
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| 02:39.49 | bolt | !greet jaja911 |
| 02:39.49 | dpkg | Nihao, jaja911 |
| 02:39.57 | pfred1 | ah grub-legacy |
| 02:40.10 | sedulous | FluxD: not really sorry. it just worked for me. (using CAcert) |
| 02:40.17 | pfred1 | grub2 makes me want to hurl cookies |
| 02:40.26 | sedulous | <3 grub2 |
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| 02:41.17 | pfred1 | sedulous oh yeah i just love when ls makes screens of output |
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| 02:42.02 | pfred1 | why my boot loader needs over 200 configuration files eludes me |
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| 02:42.36 | belak | What can I use to regenerate my initramfs? |
| 02:42.38 | macrobat | it could possibly boot 200 OS:es |
| 02:42.48 | jaja911 | Quick Computer question, if I send an email out from a random wifi spot from an address made at another random wifi spot on a computer that is only used for that purpose is there any chance it will be traced |
| 02:42.55 | belak | pfred1: what config files? |
| 02:42.56 | pfred1 | macrobat no it can't I only want to run 1 |
| 02:43.02 | Emmanuel_Chanel | macrobat: vt? Well, I have some other versions' CDs of Debian... |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | jaja911: yes |
| 02:43.23 | belak | pfred1: the ones in /boot/grub/ ? |
| 02:43.36 | bolt | jaja911: sure. you could have your name in the email program, your mac address could be logged if not spoofed, someone could see you... |
| 02:43.44 | pfred1 | belak well there are more but those are the ones I was referring to |
| 02:43.45 | macrobat | Emmanuel_Chanel: like Ctrl-Alt + a function key |
| 02:44.18 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Yes. |
| 02:44.33 | pfred1 | belak update-initramfs -u |
| 02:44.46 | belak | Not all of those are config files... |
| 02:44.47 | Emmanuel_Chanel | macrobat: What shall I do after that? |
| 02:44.48 | pfred1 | well that used to wok might not today |
| 02:44.53 | pfred1 | work even |
| 02:44.55 | belak | And thanks |
| 02:45.20 | belak | update-initramfs -uk all should be goot |
| 02:45.23 | trebuchet | Can someone explain to me what a glossy display is on an LCD? Aren't most LCDs these days all widescreen glossy TFTs? |
| 02:45.24 | belak | good even |
| 02:45.26 | macrobat | Emmanuel_Chanel: maybe you can modprobe dm-mod; vgchange -ay and use all lvm commands from there |
| 02:45.31 | belak | I just couldn't remember the command |
| 02:45.33 | pfred1 | what does the k do? |
| 02:45.50 | FluxD | sedulous, I am doing a self signed certificate, the csr has the SAN, but the end result certificate does not have it. any ideas ? |
| 02:45.50 | Emmanuel_Chanel | ok. I try. |
| 02:46.00 | belak | pfred1: selects the kernel to rebuild for |
| 02:46.08 | pfred1 | why bother? |
| 02:46.22 | belak | For good measure |
| 02:46.30 | belak | I'm gonna reboot now and see if it works. If it doesn't, I'll be back. |
| 02:46.33 | pfred1 | well when I do it it just makes them all |
| 02:47.19 | trebuchet | jaja911: Use an anonymous remailer, and register with hotmail or something through tor beforhand. Use a disposable wifi adapter. |
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| 02:50.23 | peterrooney | jaja911: and make sure no place you visited during all that had CCTV in operation. Anonymity is overrated. |
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| 02:53.25 | jaja911 | Why would I use my name in the email? Not doing anything illegal or planning to just curious |
| 02:55.04 | trebuchet | peterrooney: What if he is in a vehicle of another person with tinted windows? |
| 02:55.17 | trebuchet | peterrooney: Also, what do you mean anonymity is overrated? |
| 02:55.33 | ScottG | Say I wanted to boot into a graphical environment faster. Would it be safe to disable services started at boot time that I don't need right away then after the rest of my environment has started start those services manually? |
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| 02:57.00 | ScottG | Making sure, of course, that I didn't prevent any services that were essential from starting. |
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| 02:58.58 | peterrooney | !upstart |
| 02:58.58 | dpkg | from memory, upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 02:59.37 | zerothis | I'm trying to install larn. Now down to compiling from source. The makefile is HTML formatted? |
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| 03:00.37 | babilen | zerothis: almost certainly not. could it be ant? |
| 03:02.26 | zerothis | babilen: http://pastebin.com/rKCLxG7a |
| 03:03.03 | babilen | zerothis: This was shipped in a tarball of LARN or did you download it yourself? |
| 03:04.01 | zerothis | babilen: myself, I was unable to locate a packaged larn. its all ularn and other larn varients. |
| 03:05.46 | babilen | zerothis: I should note that I have no idea what "larn" refers to, but that is certainly not a valid makefile with all the HTML in there. You might want to download a single tarball for of larn and take it from there. |
| 03:06.47 | zerothis | i'd definitly was a single tarball of larn, if i could find one |
| 03:07.12 | zerothis | was=want |
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| 03:08.46 | peterrooney | zerothis: it looks like what's pasted is the source of a webpage that, if rendered properly, would look like what a Makefile would look like. |
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| 03:09.51 | babilen | yes, there are "makefilish" parts i there :) |
| 03:10.15 | babilen | whats wrong with ularn? it is available on SF |
| 03:11.02 | Emmanuel_Chanel | macrobat: I coudln't when I booted the installer CD. |
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| 03:12.14 | zerothis | I'm a curator for a museum, we already have ularn and varients but not the original |
| 03:14.31 | babilen | Ah, I see. http://pastebin.com/v1nPW8T7 is a valid Makefile (contained in the HTML) but it looks quite incomplete |
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| 03:18.56 | ScottG | peterrooney: Do you use upstart? |
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| 03:21.27 | babilen | ScottG: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 03:21.36 | ScottG | babilen: Testing |
| 03:22.51 | peterrooney | ScottG: i use upstart on one machine |
| 03:23.10 | ScottG | peterrooney: Noticible boot speed improvement? |
| 03:23.35 | babilen | ScottG: I would first edit /etc/init.d/rc and make sure that you have CONCURRENCY=makefile in there |
| 03:24.16 | ScottG | babilen: What does that do? |
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| 03:24.33 | babilen | ScottG: Another thing to look at is "systemd" |
| 03:25.27 | babilen | ScottG: Debian Squeeze uses a dependency based boot system |
| 03:27.18 | peterrooney | ScottG: boots up faster than a scared goat. |
| 03:27.44 | babilen | ScottG: But honestly, I wouldn't consider either upstart nor systemd stable enough to use. Why don't you just suspend and have a session running in seconds? |
| 03:27.47 | ScottG | peterrooney: So does it throw out all the init.d stuff? |
| 03:28.37 | babilen | it being? |
| 03:28.41 | ScottG | babilen: Usually do. But my computer fails to resume from suspend/hibernate frequently. Also the subject of a fast booting methods interests me |
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| 03:28.59 | ScottG | peterrooney: babilen: "It" being upstart |
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| 03:29.52 | babilen | ScottG: yes -- and take a look at "systemd" as well |
| 03:31.37 | ScottG | babilen: Read the description and it actually sounds pretty interesting |
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| 03:51.54 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pipeline and macrobat: I'll report my problem as a bug. |
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| 03:55.10 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Sent. |
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| 04:19.00 | jero1 | hola |
| 04:19.02 | jero1 | que tal ? |
| 04:20.05 | collabra | !es |
| 04:20.05 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 04:52.47 | tharkun_ | !backtrack |
| 04:52.47 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
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| 04:57.13 | peterrooney | ... thus tharkun makes it clear that dpkg is more authoritative than google. |
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| 05:00.58 | collabra | pene-test distros :/ |
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| 05:05.12 | simplechat | Hey, is there any nice way to debootstrap a luks config? |
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| 05:45.55 | hugo | i'm in two minds of running debian or ubuntu. |
| 05:45.58 | hugo | i need a desktop environment on which I code and try new softwares. |
| 05:46.47 | nsadmin | so, run one of each |
| 05:47.04 | hugo | at a glance, ubuntu has newer packages than debian stable because it's actually a sid in a point |
| 05:47.57 | collabra | hugo: and just as unstable |
| 05:49.02 | hugo | collabra: i guess it's like a sid that is maintained by a community |
| 05:49.29 | collabra | hugo: yah I gotcha |
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| 05:49.53 | nsadmin | well, by a company |
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| 05:50.02 | skrewler | is there something similar to add-apt-repository in lenny? i'm trying to add a ppa repo and can't figure out how to |
| 05:50.13 | GOOGOO | CYBER SEX WEBCAMS CHAT: http://camchat.orgfree.com |
| 05:50.16 | nsadmin | debian is maintained by a closed community of devs |
| 05:50.24 | GOOGOO | CYBER SEX WEBCAMS CHAT: http://camchat.orgfree.com |
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| 05:50.51 | hugo | nsadmin: closed? |
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| 05:52.52 | collabra | hugo: the debian standard is very high |
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| 05:54.48 | hugo | so debian is more dev-centric than ubuntu? |
| 05:55.06 | hugo | i guess most oss work like that |
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| 06:00.43 | lxsameer | what wrong with the regex ? i don't want debmirror to download linux image fo openvz --exclude='*openvz*' |
| 06:01.41 | hugo | lxsameer: it don't seem like a regex |
| 06:02.28 | lxsameer | hugo: hmmmmmmm then what should i use for matching to "linux-image-......-openvz-.....deb" |
| 06:03.56 | hugo | lxsameer: maybe '.*' instead of '*' |
| 06:04.16 | lxsameer | hugo: ow your right m |
| 06:04.18 | lxsameer | thanks |
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| 06:07.42 | hugo | do debian devs use sid for their desktops? |
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| 06:09.48 | hugo | what debian distribution are people here running? |
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| 06:10.46 | lxsameer | hugo: disto ? i think most of the people use debian here |
| 06:10.47 | collabra | i'm currentl watching the countdoun to stable |
| 06:13.48 | hugo | collabra: isn't stable too old for you? or are you using it for servers? |
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| 06:14.10 | hugo | lxsameer: i mean stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:14.37 | lxsameer | hugo: aha , i love testing |
| 06:14.41 | collabra | it's been very smooth since kde's upgrade a week or so ago |
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| 06:15.55 | gutentite | anyone charging/syncing with iphone on linux? |
| 06:16.20 | Arrowmaster | i use testing but dont care for the freezes, id use CUT if it ever sees the light of day |
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| 06:17.11 | hugo | Arrowmaster: what's CUT? |
| 06:17.27 | Arrowmaster | Constantly Usable Testing |
| 06:18.53 | Arrowmaster | its only a proposal at this time from what i understand |
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| 06:22.15 | collabra | hugo: the ubuntu line of distros has me craving stability |
| 06:25.00 | collabra | hugo: confidence in my operating system |
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| 06:25.24 | collabra | confidence in the people who back and support the product |
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| 06:25.59 | NickW_SD | hey! |
| 06:26.47 | hugo | collabra: understood but for me it's too old for development environment, unless putting new things to /usr/local |
| 06:28.50 | collabra | unparalelled in the linux arena for software collaboration and development |
| 06:30.42 | collabra | hugo: debating the choices is irrelavent you have them |
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| 06:31.57 | collabra | i've learned choosing a distro is personal |
| 06:32.35 | hugo | right |
| 06:32.58 | collabra | and my experience right now is craving stability |
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| 06:35.04 | belak | Any idea why I'd be getting this in wine? "Could not load Mozilla. HTML rendering will be disabled." |
| 06:35.20 | belak | I think I need it for crayon physics to work |
| 06:35.51 | belak | I have icecat installed, so I know I have xulrunner |
| 06:36.43 | hugo | collabra: and thinking about stable update is getting near, stable isn't so old for the moment |
| 06:37.44 | belak | Any ideas? |
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| 06:39.40 | collabra | ubu's, fedo's, and suz's have all fallen a bit short to the point of purposely missing the spitoon :) |
| 06:43.27 | t3a | Is there a place I could get a DSP56002EVM |
| 06:43.32 | t3a | (motorolla) |
| 06:44.38 | collabra | and yes i had that aversion to lenny and bounced fro distro to distro for years,...please, pity me. |
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| 06:47.08 | collabra | but can see and accept squeeze for the next two or three years,...finally. |
| 06:48.33 | collabra | EOF |
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| 07:20.46 | pallgone | Arrowmaster: sounds good, CUT, anyway to support that? |
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| 07:30.38 | NickW_SD | pallgone, was that in the right channel? |
| 07:32.46 | pallgone | NickW_SD: yeah, looks good, it was a while ago Arrowmaster talked about CUT |
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| 07:38.45 | Chaker | hi |
| 07:38.58 | Chaker | anybody online? |
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| 07:44.18 | NickW_SD | oh, must have been before I got in here |
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| 07:46.05 | angel-tsankov | how do I sync my hardware clock with some NTP server |
| 07:46.32 | NickW_SD | angel-tsankov, apt-cache policy ntpd |
| 07:46.44 | NickW_SD | is it installed? |
| 07:46.59 | peterrooney | angel-tsankov: aptitude install ntp-simple |
| 07:47.38 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD: W: Unable to locate package ntpd |
| 07:47.58 | NickW_SD | apt-cache search ntp |
| 07:48.11 | NickW_SD | i know there is ntpdate -- but I hear that's not a very good way to do it |
| 07:48.21 | NickW_SD | I've used it quite a bit in the past though and it works fine :) |
| 07:49.01 | angel-tsankov | "apt-cache search ntp" pirnts a lot of information |
| 07:50.00 | NickW_SD | angel-tsankov, are you on lenny or squeeze? |
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| 07:50.26 | angel-tsankov | I'm on lenny |
| 07:50.34 | NickW_SD | ok, one sec |
| 07:51.51 | NickW_SD | ok, angel-tsankov, try aptitude install ntp |
| 07:53.04 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD |
| 07:53.08 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD: done |
| 07:53.58 | NickW_SD | then type ntpd to start the daemon |
| 07:54.43 | angel-tsankov | it's alerady been started |
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| 07:56.02 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD: is that everything there is to starting an NTP client daemon? |
| 07:56.33 | NickW_SD | yep... |
| 07:56.49 | angel-tsankov | and is the hardware clock sync'ed, too |
| 07:56.56 | NickW_SD | now, with that one, if your clock is way off it might take a while to get in sync because it gradually gets in check, but then keeps it there |
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| 07:57.19 | NickW_SD | the other way (ntpdate - like i used to use) just makes the change instantly which can cause problems with some programs |
| 07:57.20 | angel-tsankov | I think my systems clock is right now |
| 07:57.43 | angel-tsankov | but I wonder if the hardware clock is right |
| 07:57.54 | NickW_SD | hey, just because I'm curious, do you have the ntpdate command available? |
| 07:58.10 | angel-tsankov | no |
| 07:58.12 | angel-tsankov | I don't |
| 07:58.32 | NickW_SD | ok, i was just wondering |
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| 07:59.19 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD: my hardware clock is 6 minutes behind my system clock |
| 07:59.20 | NickW_SD | as far as the hardware clock vs the system clock -- I'm not sure how to tell that, I think Debian syncs the hardware clock whenever it shuts down so you could try shutting down and then checking the bios when you reboot and see if it looks right |
| 07:59.50 | angel-tsankov | ok, I'm gonna try this now |
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| 08:04.23 | NickW_SD | ok, let me know how it turns out |
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| 08:07.52 | angel-tsankov | NickW_SD: thank you |
| 08:08.02 | NickW_SD | it worked? |
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| 08:10.18 | cahoot | why not just run hwclock? |
| 08:11.46 | NickW_SD | cahoot, I am not very familiar with that command -- does that sync it or just query it? |
| 08:12.27 | cahoot | you can get and set |
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| 08:13.53 | NickW_SD | hmmm, maybe i should look into that one :P...thanks |
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| 08:29.57 | Bushmills | angel-tsankov: rdate or ntpdate, though ntp preferred (needs RAM for daemon, though) |
| 08:30.13 | Bushmills | first two are for periodic polling |
| 08:30.45 | Bushmills | oh, nm .... "hardware clock behind sys" ... |
| 08:30.49 | angel-tsankov | Bushmills, I need something that runs periodically |
| 08:31.06 | angel-tsankov | and syncs the system clock to NTP server time |
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| 08:31.57 | Bushmills | ntp preferred as it leads to more accurate time even between syncing |
| 08:32.13 | valdyn | ntpdate should not be used to set the time |
| 08:32.23 | valdyn | except within the init scripts |
| 08:32.24 | Bushmills | it slews system timer if possible, instead of stepping, what ntpdate and rdate do |
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| 08:33.01 | angel-tsankov | is ntpdate a daemon |
| 08:33.09 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 08:33.09 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 08:33.10 | Bushmills | in ladder case, the clock may suddenly jump for a few seconds, which may be a problem with for example scripts comparing file stamps |
| 08:33.19 | Bushmills | latter |
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| 08:38.14 | NickW_SD | Bushmills, that's why I had angel-tsankov install ntp instead -- and that seems to be working |
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| 08:38.31 | NickW_SD | angel-tsankov, ntp is a daemon so it does run "periodically" actually all the time |
| 08:38.40 | Bushmills | good advice, me seems |
| 08:39.21 | NickW_SD | lol, however angel-tsankov, you said you need it to automatically sync the hardware clock periodically as well (or just the system clock) |
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| 08:39.59 | angel-tsankov | guys, the hw clock will be sync'ed upon reboot/shut down, which is fine for now |
| 08:40.09 | angel-tsankov | so my problem is solved; thank you again |
| 08:40.55 | NickW_SD | no problem |
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| 08:53.21 | Bushmills | actually, ntpd does, afaik, also sync hw clock, afaik |
| 08:53.38 | Bushmills | once every 22 minutes or so, IIRC |
| 08:53.43 | OpenTokix | Depends on your settings, but the command systohc and hctosys is also very useful |
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| 08:54.32 | Bushmills | these options to hwclock, that is |
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| 09:05.04 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 09:05.09 | Bartzy|work | How can I check in what runlevel I'm in ? |
| 09:05.14 | VoxWave | sry |
| 09:07.05 | Bartzy|work | I have a weird problem, where I'm in runlevel that should be with X and all, but X won't start, and I only have 1 tty... |
| 09:07.12 | Bartzy|work | also bash tells me "No job control in this shell" when I login |
| 09:07.18 | Bartzy|work | I think they're all connected... |
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| 09:08.33 | rioch | To report a bug, is it just a case of sending an email (with the correct information according to the guide) or do I need to register first? |
| 09:09.12 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: usually. with the runlevel command |
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| 09:09.31 | peterrooney | s/. /, / |
| 09:09.49 | dutchfish | hi, how to find out on a fresh install where grub is installed, i ask this because on squeeze upgrade of grub-pc i am asked wich devices grub-install to be automatically run for. I have a list of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda1. any hints welcome. |
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| 09:10.09 | frewsxcv86474 | is there a good tutorial on how to get SLiM working with debian? |
| 09:10.18 | dutchfish | cor: /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 |
| 09:10.21 | NickW_SD | rioch, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 09:10.48 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: Yeah, found it, but I have the problem above .. :| |
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| 09:11.29 | NickW_SD | dutchfish, you will want grub to be installed on /dev/sda (that's the mbr for the drive) whereas sda1 is just a partition |
| 09:12.04 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: so, what runlevel does it report? |
| 09:12.10 | NickW_SD | dutchfish, you can get fancy with it and install grub to sda and then if you have multiple partitions you can put a separate grub instance on each partion sda1 sda2 etc, but for a basic install that is not necessary |
| 09:12.22 | dutchfish | NickW_SD: i understand this. But thats not my question, i have a special setup. I need to know where grub2 lives atm, i cant afford to alter it. |
| 09:13.20 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: I'm also curious as to what permissions / is mounted with |
| 09:13.22 | valdyn | dutchfish: why would it be anywhere but sda? |
| 09:13.27 | dutchfish | NickW_SD: grub to is installed in an extended partition living on an lvm2 over an isci connection |
| 09:13.46 | frewsxcv86474 | is there a good tutorial on how to get SLiM working with debian? |
| 09:13.47 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: Runlevel 2, but that's the gui runlevel in our company |
| 09:14.10 | valdyn | dutchfish: or what is the bootmanager that would chainload your grub2 if its not on sda? |
| 09:14.14 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: /dev/sda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,noatime,notail,barrier=flush) |
| 09:14.26 | dutchfish | valdyn: zilch, there is only grub2 |
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| 09:14.49 | valdyn | dutchfish: so it kind of has to be on a bios bootable device, which cannot be a partition |
| 09:15.14 | dutchfish | valdyn: right |
| 09:15.40 | valdyn | dutchfish: so just applying this logic it could be sda and what else? |
| 09:15.45 | dutchfish | valdyn: so it is safe to asume it would be /dev/sda only? |
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| 09:16.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: im only applying simpel logic to what you told us, i cant know if you told us everything that is important |
| 09:16.39 | dutchfish | valdyn: actually its /dev/xdva and /dev/xdva1 but that doesnt mather? |
| 09:17.16 | valdyn | dutchfish: doesnt matter if only xdva is bootable from the underlying system ( bios ) |
| 09:17.26 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a VM |
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| 09:17.57 | dutchfish | Arrowmaster: it not a VM, but it is machine booted out of a vm |
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| 09:18.18 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 09:18.18 | frewsxcv86474 | does debian have a list of daemons to run upon start like arch does? |
| 09:18.27 | lkthomas | anyone know if I could strip LVM2 across two diff LUNs ? |
| 09:18.30 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: hmmm. likely culprits are, bad mount permissions (already checked), and unmounted /usr. do you have /dev/tty[1-6] ? |
| 09:18.33 | dutchfish | valdyn: thanks very much ! |
| 09:18.43 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: does any unix system not have a list of daemons that are run at start? |
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| 09:19.25 | valdyn | !sysv |
| 09:19.25 | dpkg | [sysv] dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 09:19.33 | valdyn | !sysvinit |
| 09:19.33 | dpkg | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init), required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . See also <dependency based startup> and <concurrent boot>. |
| 09:19.34 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: where is it located on indebian? in arch it's in rc.conf |
| 09:19.53 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: debian uses sysv init system |
| 09:20.08 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: You mean the files or the actual tty's ? |
| 09:20.22 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: the files in /dev/ |
| 09:20.24 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: look at what dpkg said and /etc/rc*d and /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:21.11 | dutchfish | lkthomas: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipethreescsistripe.html |
| 09:22.10 | lkthomas | dutchfish: let me check, brb |
| 09:22.10 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 09:22.21 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: is that the best way to get a display manager loaded? or is there a more proper way |
| 09:22.23 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: Yes. |
| 09:22.24 | Bartzy|work | meaning those files exist. |
| 09:22.34 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: why dont you ask your real question first |
| 09:22.48 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: instead of askign about something that you think is related but is not? |
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| 09:23.14 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: so go ahead ask your real question. |
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| 09:24.01 | lkthomas | dutchfish: do you know if OCFS2 could grow online ? |
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| 09:24.16 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: i want to be able to login automatically and startx when i boot up debain. i heard you need a display manager to do this so i installed SLiM but don't really know how to set it up |
| 09:24.35 | NickW_SD | frewsxcv86474, why not just use gdm? |
| 09:24.35 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: theres no need to set it up |
| 09:24.44 | dutchfish | lkthomas: to my knowledge, no |
| 09:24.48 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: if slim is like the usual dm that is |
| 09:24.50 | frewsxcv86474 | NickW_SD: because i don't want to pull all those dependencies |
| 09:24.59 | rafuch0 | can somebody explain me this... how is that i do ping into 192.168.0.1 an it WORKS and the i come and do ping 192.168.0.2 and DONT work what cut be happening iptables is CLEAN |
| 09:25.06 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: so it should start automatically |
| 09:25.09 | frewsxcv86474 | ? |
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| 09:25.19 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: Any idea ? |
| 09:25.22 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: not likely that you get a usuable desktop without pulling those deps by some means |
| 09:25.35 | lkthomas | dutchfish: any GPL cluster file system could do it ? |
| 09:25.50 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: try "/etc/init.d/slim start" now, but it should start on reboot too |
| 09:26.19 | dutchfish | lkthomas: if this is not a production setup you might be intrested in ceph |
| 09:26.50 | lkthomas | dutchfish: does oracle ASM help ? |
| 09:26.57 | dutchfish | lkthomas: it has become quiet stable |
| 09:27.00 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: Starting X display manager: slim. |
| 09:27.00 | NickW_SD | rafuch0, do you have a device on 192.168.0.2 that is set to respond to pings? |
| 09:27.05 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: nothing happens after that |
| 09:27.19 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: not even a flickering of your screen? |
| 09:27.22 | rafuch0 | iptables is clean in the 2 computers... |
| 09:27.24 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: no |
| 09:27.29 | lkthomas | dutchfish: which one ? ceph or ASM ? |
| 09:27.33 | dutchfish | lkthomas: i have no idee about orcale ASM |
| 09:27.34 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: try the 2nd display port on your gfx card |
| 09:27.37 | lkthomas | I see |
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| 09:27.54 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: what do you mean? i'm on a laptop |
| 09:27.56 | dutchfish | lkthomas: but i am testing ceph myself |
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| 09:28.00 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: does "startx" work? |
| 09:28.02 | NickW_SD | rafuch0, can you ping both ips from the other machine? |
| 09:28.13 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: I usually run "ps -ef f" to find out what's running, and in what context (it's like solaris' ptree on steroids) |
| 09:28.15 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: did you run that command as root? |
| 09:28.16 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: let me try something different |
| 09:28.19 | lkthomas | dutchfish: hmm |
| 09:28.20 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: yes |
| 09:28.25 | lkthomas | dutchfish: ever heard about lustre ? |
| 09:28.28 | rafuch0 | the laptop ping the server fine.... the server can ping the laptop |
| 09:28.31 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: should i have? |
| 09:28.36 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: maybe slim is broken on your debian release |
| 09:28.47 | rafuch0 | the server *CANT ping the laptop sorry |
| 09:28.49 | dutchfish | lkthomas: yes, been there, used it, and abondened it |
| 09:28.56 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: yes, run it as root, the "/etc/init.d/slim start", not startx |
| 09:29.17 | lkthomas | dutchfish: haha, why |
| 09:29.20 | dutchfish | lkthomas: for me it will be ceph, but thats up to you |
| 09:29.25 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: okay i got it working |
| 09:29.31 | rafuch0 | and its a point to point connection no hubs no nothing |
| 09:29.33 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: should that load upon start? |
| 09:29.36 | dutchfish | lkthomas: performance |
| 09:29.39 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 09:29.41 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: how did you get it working? |
| 09:29.49 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: killed x :-P |
| 09:29.56 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: ok, duh |
| 09:29.59 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: i wasn't thinking and tried to run it when x was runnign |
| 09:30.00 | lkthomas | dutchfish: hmm |
| 09:30.07 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: OK.. what's that last 'f' is doing ? And what should I look for ? |
| 09:30.11 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: yes, it should start automatically on reboot |
| 09:30.15 | lkthomas | dutchfish: actually I am thinking to use symantec cluster file system but hardware requirement is too high |
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| 09:30.30 | dutchfish | lkthomas: compare all and the performance of local caching and rsync schemes, then decide. |
| 09:30.34 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: out of curiosity, what file determines what is loaded upon boot? |
| 09:30.58 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: now to your original question: the DM is selected in /etc/X11/default-display-manager which you can edit or change via "dpkg-reconfigure slim" or whatever dm |
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| 09:31.00 | dutchfish | lkthomas: use a new enough kernel |
| 09:31.16 | rafuch0 | any ideas on this one becouse this is a mistery here |
| 09:31.19 | valdyn | frewsxcv86474: messing with rc.conf equivalent is not involved |
| 09:31.24 | dutchfish | lkthomas: also delve into cachfs |
| 09:31.41 | lkthomas | dutchfish: hmm |
| 09:31.47 | NickW_SD | rafuch0, what is the gateway set to on both of them? I'm assuming you have both setup for static ips? |
| 09:32.03 | frewsxcv86474 | valdyn: awesome. thank you |
| 09:33.14 | dutchfish | lkthomas: there is only one red thread, test it yourself if possible |
| 09:33.29 | lkthomas | dutchfish: I am thinking buying netapp instead :P |
| 09:33.47 | rafuch0 | ohhh no is good now |
| 09:33.52 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: the last f is for "forest", orders processes according to PPIDs and organizes into heirarchy. |
| 09:34.29 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: you should be looking for processes like /sbin/getty |
| 09:34.52 | dutchfish | lkthomas: it very much depends on your hardware too |
| 09:35.23 | NickW_SD | rafuch0, so you got it working? |
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| 09:36.14 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: If I have no getty processes at all, what does it mean ? How can I still login ? |
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| 09:36.39 | rafuch0 | let me but i have to soy something.... what in the name of god those the gnome networktool it dosent reconizes any of the values that specify on the /etc/network/interfaces file ....... i went to the laptop and check whit the network-admin tool and the addres of the nic was 192.168.0.120.... and i SPECIFY in the interfaces file .... 192.168.0.2 is the gnome-network manager has a mind of its own or something ..... maybe i am missing that ... YEAH is working |
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| 09:37.35 | lkthomas | dutchfish: thanks, let me do some research first |
| 09:37.37 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: it makes me wonder if inittab got read at all. run "/sbin/init q" and then check ps again |
| 09:37.56 | dutchfish | lkthomas: have fun and good luck. |
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| 09:38.44 | peterrooney | rafuch0: I'm with you there. I personally despise how network-manager and friends thinks they are smarter than me. |
| 09:39.08 | rafuch0 | anyway got it working... but that do not look good the gnome-network manager and the network-admin is doing more bad than good is all i am saying.... |
| 09:39.38 | rafuch0 | peterrooney: tell me about it anywayy be all aware of those evil buddys ..... :S |
| 09:39.40 | peterrooney | rafuch0: and I wonder how they got in to debian in the first place, seeing as they ignore (and fuck with) deliberate administrative settings. |
| 09:40.03 | Arrowmaster | recent update made it comment out eveything in my /etc/network/interfaces except the loopback |
| 09:40.43 | dutchfish | valdyn: all went smooth as silk with the grub2 upgrade on squeeze x86_64 booted out of a vm by only installing grub2 on /dev/xvda. |
| 09:40.56 | rafuch0 | peterrooney: are you reading mi mind.... i KNOWW those settings are not a GAME is critical this shut not happen at ALL |
| 09:41.16 | rafuch0 | anyway i am going to bed ... cya all guys.... |
| 09:41.26 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: No, still no getty :| |
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| 09:42.13 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: weird. that makes me wonder what the contents of your /etc/inittab are. What was the full output of runlevel again? |
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| 09:43.09 | peterrooney | rafuch0: not reading mind, it's just that you're not the first person to be burned by the braindamaged decisions |
| 09:43.23 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: N 2 |
| 09:43.34 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: You want me to post my inittab contents ? |
| 09:43.44 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: that might help... |
| 09:43.47 | rafuch0 | lol cya cyaaa X ) |
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| 09:45.45 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: http://pastebin.com/X18LhTRb |
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| 09:47.00 | CQ | hello, how can I --purge configuration files from a list of packages I alreade removed? |
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| 09:47.40 | Arrowmaster | aptitude purge ~c |
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| 09:47.53 | slax00 | FREE ENERGY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCr3lOhMJCg |
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| 09:48.53 | lxsameer | is there a way to find out the witch application use network? |
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| 09:49.01 | CQ | Arrowmaster: tilde-c ?? |
| 09:49.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 09:49.57 | CQ | Arrowmaster: wow, never used a tilde option before ... |
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| 09:50.00 | Arrowmaster | you can run `aptitude search ~c` to see see the list of packages that will try to purge first |
| 09:50.32 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: you have no entries for tty1 -> tty6: add 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 <newline> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 <newline> 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 and so on |
| 09:50.33 | Arrowmaster | its a search pattern |
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| 09:52.07 | CQ | Arrowmaster: ok,l good to know... |
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| 09:52.58 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: I've submitted correction to your pastebin |
| 09:53.36 | peterrooney | Bartzy|work: as for your X not starting, I'm going to bed real soon now |
| 09:54.32 | cesurasean | I wish I had problems with my debian so that I could get help in here. Nothing to play with at the current moment. :( |
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| 09:54.58 | peterrooney | cesurasean: aptitude install network-manager # ~_^ |
| 09:55.01 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: play the kmem roulette 10 times and get back to us in a while |
| 09:55.19 | cesurasean | I do have a question toward email server DDOS attacks....... |
| 09:55.48 | cesurasean | what is kmem roulette? |
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| 09:55.59 | cesurasean | sounds nasty! |
| 09:56.07 | cesurasean | im interested! |
| 09:56.48 | thewanderer1 | grep the web for it :P |
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| 09:57.49 | cesurasean | nice. |
| 09:57.57 | cesurasean | sounds like you would need a spare computer to test it out |
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| 10:00.05 | cesurasean | ain't much happening in this channel, huh? |
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| 10:01.13 | Digdilem | plenty, when the americans are awake |
| 10:01.53 | Arrowmaster | im american and just about to goto sleep |
| 10:02.13 | Digdilem | 5am east coast? |
| 10:02.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:02.20 | NickW_SD | yep |
| 10:02.47 | thewanderer1 | that's the best thing in winter - one doesn't see the day coming at 5am, still |
| 10:02.52 | thewanderer1 | feels like night :P |
| 10:02.54 | Bartzy|work | peterrooney: Thanks so much, that solved that. |
| 10:02.56 | Digdilem | heh |
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| 10:09.54 | coolguy4 | hi there, I'm running debian squeeze. I have openjdk-6-jdk installed. I want to switch to sun-java6-jre. Can I install the sun java first, then uninstall the open source one? Would that work? I ask because just saying sudo aptitude remove openjdk-6-jre results in a request to remove openoffice.org and a couple of other bits and pieces. |
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| 10:15.40 | jelly-home | coolguy4: yes you can. |
| 10:15.52 | coolguy4 | awesome |
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| 10:17.08 | Anubis | hi. is anyone here who worked with ucarp ? |
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| 10:21.50 | Anubis | is ucarp transfering automatically the services from server 1 to server 2 or it just transfer the connection ? |
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| 10:22.13 | xk | ucarp only does ip address, but you can optionally start/stop services |
| 10:23.16 | Anubis | xk: i see. |
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| 10:23.44 | xk | it does not monitor state of services though |
| 10:24.50 | fi9o | http://pobierak.jeja.pl/images/3/f/0/4588.jpg |
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| 10:29.11 | valdyn | coolguy4: install both |
| 10:29.19 | valdyn | coolguy4: nvm |
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| 10:30.57 | coolguy4 | valdyn, so I install both, then I use something like sudo update-alternatives? |
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| 10:31.36 | Han | I get disk full errors when I am trying to install locales-all, which is odd since I have at least a 100Mb free on all partitions. |
| 10:31.53 | Han | What's going on? |
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| 10:33.26 | CQ | coolguy4: yes sudo update-java-alternatives |
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| 10:33.53 | coolguy4 | CQ: Cool, I so install both then do that. |
| 10:34.05 | CQ | Han: apt-get clean ? else no clue |
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| 10:34.47 | tassoman | how can i tell wajig to hold kernel updates and related stuff? such as grub and kernel modules |
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| 11:10.11 | valdyn | coolguy4: the alternatives should be fixed automatically when you remove one again |
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| 11:11.10 | valdyn | tassoman: why would someone use wajig? ( Just courious ) |
| 11:11.44 | tassoman | valdyn: coz I can't get how apt pinning works oO? |
| 11:12.07 | tassoman | wajig hold grub "just works" |
| 11:12.20 | tassoman | (till now) -_-' |
| 11:12.25 | valdyn | tassoman: aptitude hold grub should just work too, i guess |
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| 11:12.37 | tassoman | yup? |
| 11:13.07 | tassoman | lol |
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| 11:13.42 | valdyn | tassoman: i dont know what your problem is when you obviously know the wajig command already |
| 11:14.12 | tassoman | valdyn: I was just missing aptitude hold command -.-' |
| 11:14.45 | valdyn | tassoman: ok, keep in mind that that command is only effective for aptitude, it does not hold it when using apt-get iirc |
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| 11:15.31 | tassoman | yup thanks valdyn, I already prefer aptitude to "raw" apt-get |
| 11:16.02 | tassoman | but I'm a bit unaware of it :o |
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| 11:26.42 | cristi8 | hi, how do i reboot my pc from gnome? (without opening the console, become root and run "reboot") |
| 11:27.40 | Han | Seems I got some image which I should not have used, a live cd not suitable for installation. |
| 11:27.54 | Han | Which of the 53 cd images is the right one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:28.36 | Han | cristi8, system -> shut down |
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| 11:28.50 | cristi8 | Han: i don't have such an option |
| 11:28.58 | cristi8 | i only have "log out" |
| 11:29.14 | cristi8 | I know i had it, but it's gone |
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| 11:30.07 | acemi | cristi8: do you use kdm as desktop manager? |
| 11:30.52 | cristi8 | acemi: no, gdm |
| 11:32.04 | acemi | ctrl+alt+f2 ctrl+alt+del is a dirty solution |
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| 11:32.46 | cristi8 | acemi: yep, so is "reboot" from root console.. i may have revoked my user permission to do this? |
| 11:33.10 | Han | no you ruined your setting. |
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| 11:34.11 | cristi8 | Han: can you please be more specific? |
| 11:35.10 | Han | what else is there to tell? |
| 11:35.20 | cristi8 | what setting? |
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| 11:35.33 | nsadmin | smells a troll |
| 11:35.46 | valdyn | cristi8: try once if this just works again after a reboot |
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| 11:36.54 | cristi8 | valdyn: i noticed it missing for some time, and since then i used to "reboot" from root console. now i want to make it right and reboot from menu |
| 11:37.07 | cristi8 | so it's not fixed after reboots |
| 11:37.14 | valdyn | cristi8: ok |
| 11:37.25 | valdyn | cristi8: gdm is responsible for this to work |
| 11:38.12 | nsadmin | right, gdm would be able to restart/shutdown even if no one is logged into gdm |
| 11:38.22 | Han | rm -rf ~/.config ~/.gnome* |
| 11:38.37 | stew | NO |
| 11:38.38 | CQ | is there any good way to compare speed on intel processors for a laptop? i.e. p6100 vs. i3 350m |
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| 11:38.46 | stew | cristi8: don't listen to Han |
| 11:38.47 | cristi8 | of course not.. Han, i have a lot of settings |
| 11:39.02 | Han | well then find the proper setting to remove |
| 11:39.14 | stew | Han: don't give out potentially harmful advice |
| 11:39.26 | Han | It's not harmful |
| 11:39.29 | stew | it is |
| 11:39.37 | Han | nah |
| 11:39.53 | valdyn | its not even related to that config files you are trying to delete |
| 11:40.01 | nsadmin | Han: so you don't have customized settings? |
| 11:40.14 | Han | Yes I do. |
| 11:40.19 | nsadmin | meaning... it's not harmful... to YOU? |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | its something between dbus and gdm iirc |
| 11:40.37 | Han | *g* restoring it is a piece of pie. |
| 11:40.44 | nsadmin | oh, then you just don't care about your settings |
| 11:41.06 | stew | Han: how do I restore .config after deleting it all? |
| 11:41.16 | Han | not like I honour and cherish them, no. |
| 11:41.57 | nsadmin | whatever... some of the suggestions you're making could be disruptive or even destructive of other's original material (namely, their settings) |
| 11:42.17 | valdyn | ... and they dont have the desired effect either |
| 11:42.23 | Han | what's worse? having broken settings or having to restore them? |
| 11:42.31 | acemi | cristi8: is there a reboot option in gdm login screen? |
| 11:42.40 | valdyn | Han: you dont know that he has broken settings at ~/ at all |
| 11:42.41 | Han | stew, same way you made them in the first place. :-) |
| 11:42.46 | nsadmin | that's for the owner of the original material to decide |
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| 11:43.06 | cristi8 | acemi: no |
| 11:43.15 | Han | no I decide what he does! |
| 11:43.20 | Han | gee! |
| 11:44.14 | cristi8 | in the login screen i don't have a reboot / shutdown option |
| 11:44.15 | nsadmin | it's a good thing that cristi8 doesn't get pushed around easily |
| 11:44.27 | valdyn | cristi8: which debian release is it? |
| 11:44.30 | cristi8 | lenny |
| 11:44.55 | cristi8 | can it have something to do with the gdm theme? |
| 11:45.11 | cristi8 | (how the login screen looks like) |
| 11:45.26 | valdyn | cristi8: i suppose it could, but i doubt that is your problem |
| 11:45.58 | jetscreamer | i've seen a missing something theme to theme, but i forget what it was. i had the theme on rotate. |
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| 11:47.20 | valdyn | cristi8: heres a fix that seemed to work on ubuntu: Run gdmsetup as root, go to the Local tab, select a theme that you know works and enable "Show actions menu" |
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| 11:48.11 | cristi8 | hmm, i was just looking at that, i have "show actions menu" unchecked since i added a user for my mom |
| 11:48.23 | valdyn | cristi8: on top of that from that bug report "However this is a fix of the symptoms, the problem appears to be either a theme or gdm theme has the ability to change this setting." |
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| 11:49.43 | cristi8 | now i have the options to reboot / shutdown in gdm login screen.. will that fix the menu item in gnome too? |
| 11:49.55 | valdyn | cristi8: yea it should |
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| 11:50.27 | cristi8 | so now anyone can reboot the computer from the gdm login? :| |
| 11:50.32 | valdyn | cristi8: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/93551/comments/15 |
| 11:50.51 | valdyn | cristi8: depends |
| 11:51.00 | valdyn | cristi8: try and see |
| 11:51.16 | Bartzy|work | How can I remove the -nolisten tcp from gdm ? I want to be able to export the display of other computers to my computer. |
| 11:51.24 | valdyn | cristi8: theres some added security on my box for this, but im running gdm3 so i dont know if thats valid for you |
| 11:51.36 | valdyn | cristi8: for instance, i can only shut down if no 2nd user is logged in |
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| 11:51.50 | nsadmin | Bartzy|work: look at /etc/default, look at /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 11:52.13 | cristi8 | valdyn: cool, will it be available in squeeze? |
| 11:52.21 | valdyn | cristi8: but in any case, a local user can just switch off power, so its probably a non-issue |
| 11:52.50 | valdyn | judd: versions gdm3 |
| 11:52.51 | judd | Package gdm3 on i386 -- sid: 2.30.5-6; squeeze: 2.30.5-6 |
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| 11:53.08 | nsadmin | aye poooled da plug and DEN I toorned off da you pee see! |
| 11:53.08 | valdyn | cristi8: looks like it is in squeeze, but I dont recommend it |
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| 11:53.34 | nsadmin | err, you pee ess... |
| 11:54.04 | cristi8 | ok, thanks a lot, i'll reboot now :) |
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| 11:57.48 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:03.19 | Bartzy|work | nsadmin: I don't want to change the script. |
| 12:04.11 | nsadmin | so instead of changing the script, I offer you once more what I originally said :) |
| 12:04.16 | nsadmin | Bartzy|work: look at /etc/default, look at /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 12:04.51 | nsadmin | why might it be helpful to -look- at /etc/init.d/gdm? |
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| 12:07.21 | Bartzy|work | nsadmin: I found nothing on /etc/init.d/gdm. |
| 12:07.26 | Bartzy|work | gdm3* |
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| 12:10.19 | Bartzy|work | I found nolisten tcp on /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 12:10.19 | Bartzy|work | But should I change it there ? |
| 12:10.26 | Bartzy|work | Is it a security risk to enable tcp with X ? |
| 12:10.31 | nevyn | yes |
| 12:11.19 | nsadmin | well why are you considering it |
| 12:11.20 | nevyn | it's disabled for a good reason. unless you have an exceptionally good reason removing nolisten from the xserverrc is a bad move. |
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| 12:11.58 | nsadmin | usually you don't need it because the ssh forwarding thing works well enough |
| 12:12.10 | nevyn | and it's a much better idea. |
| 12:12.35 | nsadmin | well that depends on what he wants to do |
| 12:12.35 | nevyn | considers that his worldview of all networks being untrusted is tainting his opinion on this issue. |
| 12:12.48 | nevyn | considers all blue cables hostile. |
| 12:13.09 | nsadmin | the blue cables come from IBM? |
| 12:13.22 | nevyn | there's probably someone with at least as much knowledge as me with access to it. |
| 12:13.31 | nevyn | nsadmin: no blue cable == cat 5 |
| 12:13.44 | Bartzy|work | nsadmin, nevyn: I just want to send a window from a server to my pc |
| 12:13.48 | Bartzy|work | just use ssh -X ? |
| 12:14.14 | nevyn | is your pc running linux? |
| 12:14.25 | Bartzy|work | that actually works :| |
| 12:14.25 | Bartzy|work | well.. |
| 12:14.26 | Bartzy|work | thanks :) |
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| 12:14.47 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: I like adding -CX but that's a matter of taste. |
| 12:15.40 | nsadmin | the one thing I'd want to do is contact gdm remotely via xdmcp, but that's not the greatest fastest thing in the world over the internet |
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| 12:15.52 | nsadmin | and definitely not secure |
| 12:16.03 | Bartzy|work | even for a LAN ? |
| 12:16.09 | Bartzy|work | how -X works ? :| |
| 12:16.14 | nsadmin | for a lan it might be alright |
| 12:16.38 | nsadmin | but then, you want to exert control over what interfaces gdm listens on |
| 12:16.54 | nevyn | xdmcp is what I ment earlier. |
| 12:17.08 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: X protocol traffic is all sent in the clear. |
| 12:17.39 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: so every character you type at the xserver is transmitted as an X event in cleartext to the client. |
| 12:18.14 | nsadmin | if (1) you're the only one using your lan and (2) there's no access point on the same subnet and wire, then it's reasonable |
| 12:18.52 | nevyn | ssh -X uses the same protocol but passes it over a ssh encrypted connection thus preventing sniffing attacks on the wire. |
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| 12:19.30 | nevyn | nsadmin: I just consider it safer to consider all tcp connections untrusted. and crypt everything. |
| 12:19.46 | Bartzy|work | nevyn: But if regular X forwarding didn't work, how ssh worked ? |
| 12:19.59 | Bartzy|work | because ssh was actually running on my pc, hence there was no problem creating a window locally ? |
| 12:20.29 | nsadmin | ssh x forwarding makes use of xauth on both sides |
| 12:21.10 | nevyn | there's no such thing as regular X forwarding "forwarding" always refers to x11 over ssh. |
| 12:21.14 | Bartzy|work | xauth ? |
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| 12:21.30 | nsadmin | xauth. |
| 12:21.46 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: mit magic cookies to establish that the client is permitted to access the server |
| 12:22.05 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: remember in x11 the server is the display/keyboard/pointing device and the client is the application |
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| 12:22.54 | Bartzy|work | I don't get how export DISPLAY=my_pc:0.0 |
| 12:23.01 | nevyn | the machine you call a "server" is actually running x11 clients the X server is on your pc. |
| 12:23.07 | Bartzy|work | on the server, didn't work, but ssh -X user@server , did work |
| 12:23.19 | Bartzy|work | yes I understand that. |
| 12:23.23 | nsadmin | X is set up to deny other users |
| 12:23.23 | nevyn | ok. |
| 12:23.42 | nevyn | X on your pc doesn't listen for tcp connections. |
| 12:24.19 | nevyn | when you export DISPLAY=my_pc:0.0 the server attempts to make a tcp connection on the X port (6000?) |
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| 12:24.29 | nevyn | as your pc is not listening for these connections this fails. |
| 12:24.38 | nevyn | becuase there's nolisten in xserverrc |
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| 12:26.21 | nevyn | when you do "ssh -X user@server xterm" several things happen. ssh connects to the remote system runs xauth and tells the local xserver that connections from clients with that cookie are "authorised" (this probably not quite correct but I think close enough) |
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| 12:26.57 | funky | hello |
| 12:27.14 | nevyn | it then runs the xterm client on the server and sends the X11 traffic back over the established ssh connection where it appears as a local client. |
| 12:27.31 | funky | i'm podering to install linux-image/linux-base experimental, does any of you have experimented any issue with them? |
| 12:27.56 | nevyn | so to the xserver the xterm running on "server" appears to be on my_pc rather than on server due to some ssh magic. |
| 12:28.17 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: does that help or make it worse? |
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| 12:33.04 | shamrock | have there been any issues with latest squeeze update and gpg-agent experienced here? I cant start any of my editors since they all use gpg-agent to remember key for gpg files. |
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| 12:39.52 | daffidity | hi. does anyone how know to install the emerald theme manager please. its not in the debian repos. |
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| 12:41.50 | nirazio | Can some lists data base tool for debian??? |
| 12:43.07 | petemc | what kind of database tool? |
| 12:43.35 | petemc | there are clients for mysql and postgresql |
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| 12:45.41 | nirazio | petemc: I am looking for a database application that would be some what comparable to microsoft access.. |
| 12:46.51 | petemc | openoffice.org-base |
| 12:47.02 | nevyn | yeah that's prbably the closest thing |
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| 12:49.16 | nirazio | petemc: is it possible to edit access database using openoffice.org-base?? |
| 12:50.02 | nevyn | no. |
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| 12:51.24 | nirazio | nevyn: Any other tools?? |
| 12:51.47 | acemi | mdbtools |
| 12:51.55 | nevyn | ooh that's a good call. |
| 12:52.03 | nevyn | jet db's remain a bad idea tho. |
| 12:52.14 | nevyn | in that they're really seductivly simple.. |
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| 12:52.45 | nevyn | but don't scale. |
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| 12:57.26 | nirazio | I wanna edit .MDB file from debian..But i am unable to open it here..Any idea??Or any other third party tools available?? |
| 12:57.26 | Bartzy|work | nevyn: Cool, really helped ! sorry for the late reply |
| 12:57.34 | Bartzy|work | nevyn: So xterm is only launched in order to launch the GUI progs there ? "locally"? |
| 12:57.53 | nevyn | well xterm was just a example x11 program. |
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| 12:58.07 | nevyn | you can use the ssh session itself as a controlling terminal if you want. |
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| 12:58.56 | nevyn | so you can do ssh -CX user@server and then run whatever you like from that terminal. |
| 12:59.09 | nevyn | or you can do ssh -CX user@server firefox |
| 12:59.12 | nevyn | or whatever app |
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| 13:02.26 | Bartzy|work | yeah |
| 13:03.00 | Bartzy|work | Cool, thanks a lot for your useful explanation :) |
| 13:05.19 | nevyn | Bartzy|work: your welcome. |
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| 13:05.36 | nevyn | now it's the witching hour and I'm off to sleep before work tomorrow.. |
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| 13:17.54 | TheNtexParty | HELLO. JOIN << #SUPREMOS >> AND USE OUR NAZI CHANNEL TO TALK ABOUT FUCKING BLACK PEOPLE OR FUCKING AMERICANS. WE WANT YOU! (FREE SOFTWARE, BUT CAPITALIST, AGAINST BLACKS AND ONLY FOR WHITE PEOPLE) :-) |
| 13:18.35 | nirazio | How to list all installed codecs??? |
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| 13:20.06 | xk | lol |
| 13:20.24 | Posterdati | please help I've got no kprinter program on squeeze :) |
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| 13:22.23 | Dovid | any opinions on Courier vs dovecot ? |
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| 13:23.27 | Digdilem | Dovid, i've used dovecot for many years. It "just works" |
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| 13:23.46 | Dovid | Digdilem: Thanks |
| 13:24.30 | cga | +1 for dovecot |
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| 13:33.03 | complete | Good morning Debian! Trying to use tabs in screen. Any idea how? Is there a shortcut to open a new tab? |
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| 13:33.34 | Digdilem | ctrl+a then c |
| 13:33.48 | Digdilem | cycle with ctrl+a then n or p for next or previous |
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| 13:36.22 | complete | yeah, i know |
| 13:36.27 | complete | but how do i get tabs? |
| 13:36.36 | complete | i mean visual indicators of all open windows. |
| 13:36.40 | Digdilem | ah. don't know. |
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| 13:37.00 | complete | argh... |
| 13:37.04 | acemi | ctrl+a " to list tabs |
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| 13:37.42 | Digdilem | i know what you mean though, i did it once in screenrc |
| 13:37.56 | Digdilem | i just googled |
| 13:38.01 | acemi | hardstatus alwayslastline ? |
| 13:38.53 | complete | lets see... |
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| 13:39.10 | complete | i have to put that in my .screenrc? |
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| 13:39.57 | acemi | in /etc/screenrc or copy this file in your home as .screenrc and add this lisne |
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| 13:40.22 | acemi | and uncomment hardstatus lastline .... |
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| 13:42.51 | Bartzy|work | there's a plugin for iceweasel adobe reader plugin ? |
| 13:43.02 | Bartzy|work | sorry |
| 13:43.37 | Bartzy|work | there's a package for iceweasel adobe reader plugin ? |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: apt-cache search iceweasel pdf ? |
| 13:44.50 | complete | acemi: yeah, i will play with .screenrc |
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| 13:46.49 | acemi | complete: do you have already a ~/.screenrc or will you create a new one |
| 13:47.00 | complete | acemi: im creating a new one |
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| 13:47.30 | acemi | simply, copy it from /etc/screenrc as .~/.screenrc |
| 13:47.34 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: Nada... |
| 13:47.37 | acemi | ~/.screenrc |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | bull |
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| 13:48.34 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: apt-cache search mozilla pdf |
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| 13:49.15 | acemi | complete: http://paste.debian.net/102200/ hardstatus lines |
| 13:49.35 | complete | acemi: thanks |
| 13:49.56 | acemi | you're welcome |
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| 13:50.26 | fas3r | hi |
| 13:50.38 | fas3r | openldap really piss me off |
| 13:51.14 | fas3r | i dont understand why in all how to the slapd.conf is in /etc/ldap by default and me it's in /usr/share/slapd |
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| 13:51.33 | sobersabre | hi, I have a bit of mess with sudoers. |
| 13:51.51 | sobersabre | I have a group "myuser" and I allow all users from it to run any program as any user. |
| 13:52.08 | sobersabre | and I have a user "myuser" and I allow it 1 command to run without password confirmation. |
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| 13:52.20 | sobersabre | When running this command, the user still gets a password prompt. |
| 13:52.28 | sobersabre | what's the right way to do this ? |
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| 13:52.35 | fas3r | sobersabre, google |
| 13:52.58 | sobersabre | fas3r: thank you. |
| 13:54.47 | sobersabre | basically the offending configuration can be summed up as this: http://pastie.org/1369959 |
| 13:54.57 | sobersabre | any *relevant* input is appreciated. |
| 13:56.34 | nirazio | When I try to put the box to sleep or into hibernation, it appears to wake up right away (couple of seconds at most). I am trying to figure out what's going on, and would appreciate any suggestions... |
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| 14:00.48 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: The problem is I don't even have the PDF extension in Iceweasel settings |
| 14:00.58 | Bartzy|work | "application settings" |
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| 14:03.07 | slackw26 | alguien recuerda cual es el archivo en el que puedeo colocar el nombre de la aplicacion y el usuario que la puede correr, siendo la aplicacion por defecto usada como su.???? |
| 14:03.13 | Kwpolska | slackw26: english only |
| 14:03.43 | slackw26 | anyone remember what the proffers file you put the name of the application and the user who can run, the application being used as your default .???? |
| 14:04.18 | Kwpolska | slackw26: I don't get your problem. |
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| 14:07.51 | slackw26 | is there a file in / etc that I can put the name of a user and the application that can run. eg wicd-curses only I can handle root. neceito then as an unprivileged user to make it work |
| 14:08.10 | angel-tsankov | is there any astrological software for Debian |
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| 14:09.52 | slackw26 | kwpolska understand what I ask? |
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| 14:14.38 | nirazio | When I try to put the box to sleep or into hibernation, it appears to wake up right away (couple of seconds at most). I am trying to figure out what's going on, and would appreciate any suggestions... |
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| 14:19.20 | linduxed | hello everyone, i just noticed that i could not write (and also not read a lot of things in my home directory, whereafter i found the following in my dmesg http://dpaste.org/8taa/ |
| 14:19.28 | linduxed | any idea what to with this? |
| 14:20.02 | abrotman | linduxed: something is dying |
| 14:20.15 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: mozplugger didn't help |
| 14:20.21 | Bartzy|work | I have no "extension" in iceweasel for acrobat reader |
| 14:20.33 | linduxed | abrotman: oh! |
| 14:20.37 | Bartzy|work | I don't even want an extension.. just a way for iceweasel to open pdf files |
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| 14:20.40 | Bartzy|work | with external program |
| 14:20.40 | linduxed | abrotman: that sounds alarming |
| 14:20.46 | abrotman | linduxed: it is |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: did you install a pdf viewer at all ? |
| 14:22.10 | Bartzy|work | yes. acorread. |
| 14:22.14 | Bartzy|work | acroread |
| 14:22.29 | abrotman | i don't use acroread .. and it's not in Debian ... |
| 14:22.37 | sphenxes | I am using squeeze that works fine except with wine. All Windows program when opened under wine, i get small boxes instead of characters. is there any solution for such a problem ( i can't install any new widows programs under wine). |
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| 14:23.08 | pipeline | sphenxes: missing fonts |
| 14:23.17 | pipeline | sphenxes: winetricks allfonts |
| 14:23.19 | sphenxes | pipeline, where can i get them |
| 14:24.00 | pipeline | sphenxes: winetricks is a script you will need to make best use of wine. It will retreive the fonts for you. Get winetricks from winehq.org |
| 14:24.15 | sphenxes | pipeline thanks |
| 14:24.45 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: But I can't even add an application to use with iceweasel |
| 14:24.56 | Bartzy|work | how can iceweasel know what to do with PDF files.. |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: do you use gnome? kde? |
| 14:25.58 | linduxed | abrotman: i just printed out my mtab, can you make something out of this? http://dpaste.org/WOm4/ |
| 14:26.30 | linduxed | why is the top one set to something about errors... |
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| 14:27.04 | abrotman | linduxed: i would make sure all your cards and cables are seated correctly .. see if it persists .. also get a good backup |
| 14:27.09 | abrotman | or try to anyway |
| 14:27.29 | linduxed | abrotman: hmmm |
| 14:28.37 | linduxed | abrotman: well i'll try doing the backups i can, but unfortunately i can't have the server go on without being writeable |
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| 14:28.46 | linduxed | abrotman: so i have to remount the stuff somehow |
| 14:29.07 | abrotman | shut the thing down .. reseat the cables and cards, see if it continues |
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| 14:30.07 | petan | why pidgin is so outdated that last version does not even work in lenny |
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| 14:30.41 | petan | I downloaded last and was told that the version which is in rep is so old that it can't work on pidgin support |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | what about it doesn't work? |
| 14:31.18 | petan | it can't connect to icq because it's outdated |
| 14:31.24 | petan | protocol is different |
| 14:32.04 | petan | they said it changed recently and such outdated version is unusable |
| 14:32.17 | stew | petan: its so old because the current version of debian was frozen 2 years ago. there is a backported version available: /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 14:32.47 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: gnome. |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: install evince |
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| 14:33.06 | abrotman | stew: AIUI, still not new enough |
| 14:33.19 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: "What should Iceweasel do with this file?" |
| 14:33.51 | stew | abrotman: ah |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | he can still try though |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | kind of silly squeeze will require a backported pidgin to make icq work, and it's not even released yet:) |
| 14:36.14 | petan | stew could you hep with one thing related to upgrade |
| 14:36.23 | petan | it wants to remove openvpn, why? |
| 14:36.38 | Bartzy|work | There's no "open with" with PDF files.. |
| 14:36.39 | Bartzy|work | icedove is the same :| |
| 14:36.49 | petan | when I did backports-lenny upgrade in apt |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | did you install evince? |
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| 14:37.45 | petan | or anyone |
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| 14:41.18 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: Any difference between evince and acrobat reader ? |
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| 14:42.07 | abrotman | I am not going to support Adobe stuff |
| 14:43.36 | linduxed | abrotman: ok this was irritating, i just did "mount -o remount,rw /home" and got the following |
| 14:43.40 | linduxed | mount: block device /dev/mapper/vg_exthdds-home is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 14:44.13 | fas3r | i try to run openldap .. my problem is i renseign all files (slapd.conf and ldap.conf)... so why when i try to connect on the ldap and i look with ps aux if it run i dont see the host adress which i specified in ldap.conf : /usr/sbin/slapd -h ldap:/// ldapi:/// -g openldap -u openldap -F /etc/ldap/slapd.d ??????? |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | linduxed: the filesystem is dirty i would guess |
| 14:44.51 | linduxed | abrotman: which would mean? |
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| 14:45.38 | linduxed | should i unmounting it and running fsck on it? |
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| 14:45.48 | linduxed | logging in as root? |
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| 14:46.13 | linduxed | (home is as mentioned on a separate set of drives) |
| 14:47.25 | acemi | linduxed: touch /forcefsck to force fsck for the next reboot |
| 14:48.02 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: Evince is super slow with ebooks (hundreds of pages..) I'll try to fix my problem, thanks. |
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| 14:52.40 | home-alone | how to report a bug |
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| 14:53.17 | jetscreamer | !reportbug |
| 14:53.18 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 14:55.25 | lapsusbrutus | Going to make a debain server running virtual machines with UML. Should I partition disk ext3 or XFS?? XFS seems like a good idea for big files such as virtual HDs but not sure.. Anyone has an advice? |
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| 14:56.40 | xk | lapsusbrutus: direct block access is the way to go |
| 14:57.27 | lapsusbrutus | ok:) how would that work? |
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| 14:58.30 | xk | read up on lvm |
| 14:58.49 | lapsusbrutus | ok thanks |
| 14:58.56 | xk | not sure if uml "supports" it |
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| 14:59.29 | xk | otherwise you will lose performance if you use images on existing filesystems. |
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| 15:01.23 | lapsusbrutus | ahh now I understand :) direct block access.. separate place of the disk where virtual machine can write directly without filesystem on top of filesystem :) |
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| 15:07.35 | romel | hi guys. how can I re-read modified /etc/profile instead of loggin out and loggin in? |
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| 15:08.58 | jhutchins_lt | romel: log out and log back in. |
| 15:09.43 | romel | :) |
| 15:10.29 | themill | romel: ". /etc/profile" |
| 15:12.00 | romel | thanks themill |
| 15:12.34 | nirazio | How do I temporarily run an FTP server? |
| 15:13.07 | romel | what do you mean with 'temporarily'? |
| 15:13.54 | blip2 | nirazio: I would suggest setting pure-ftpd up using a flatfile for users/passwords |
| 15:14.36 | nirazio | romel: I need an FTP server for maybe 5 minutes, no more than that. I'm looking for a bare-bones, user-initiated FTP server.I understand that it would likely have to run with sudo.That's fine - but I want to start/stop it like a normal program. |
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| 15:14.51 | blip2 | nirazio: yeh pure-ftpd can do that |
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| 15:15.32 | derick_ | sometimes unpacking a package and processing it while installing, takes very long time > 30 sec, what could be wrong? |
| 15:15.38 | linduxed | acemi: well that wont work in this case |
| 15:15.51 | linduxed | the thing is that /home is on an encrypted lvm |
| 15:15.53 | acemi | nirazio: do you upload files or only for download? |
| 15:16.05 | linduxed | the /-partition is fine |
| 15:16.11 | linduxed | it's on sda1 |
| 15:16.16 | nirazio | acemi: both |
| 15:16.36 | linduxed | the issue is with /home which lies on a logical volume |
| 15:17.00 | acemi | nirazio: scp if you have a ssh server |
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| 15:17.43 | laurus | On Debian Squeeze, somehow my cron jobs related to GNOME that pop up windows aren't working. Any ideas whY? |
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| 15:17.59 | nirazio | blip2: Can you help me in configuring pure-ftpd?? |
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| 15:18.22 | blip2 | laurus: you'll probably need to but export DISPLAY=:0 && before the command |
| 15:18.26 | blip2 | or something similar |
| 15:18.27 | skinder | did anyone scan from CLI using hp photosmart? |
| 15:18.48 | blip2 | nirazio: I can but if you have a look its actually straight forward if you read it |
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| 15:19.17 | blip2 | laurus: make sure you are running it as the user who owns the screen too |
| 15:19.19 | laurus | blip2, my test crontab entry is: |
| 15:19.24 | laurus | * * * * * DISPLAY=:0;zenity --info --text="Hello" |
| 15:19.33 | laurus | Er, owns the screen? |
| 15:19.49 | blip2 | well whoever is logged in |
| 15:19.49 | laurus | My username to log into GNOME is laurus, so wouldn't the cron jobs be run under laurus as well? |
| 15:19.53 | nirazio | blip2: Where the configuration file will be..? |
| 15:20.09 | blip2 | nirazio: /etc/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.conf or simila |
| 15:20.10 | blip2 | r |
| 15:20.16 | blip2 | laurus: erm not quite right |
| 15:20.42 | blip2 | laurus: * * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 && zenity --info --text="Hello" should do it |
| 15:20.47 | skinder | is it possible to scan if SANE doesn't support my scanner? ._. |
| 15:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | skinder: Probably not. |
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| 15:21.26 | laurus | blip2, what is that && and why the export? I never needed those two things in Debian Lenny. |
| 15:21.37 | nirazio | blip2: I dont find pure-ftpd.conf any where.. |
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| 15:21.57 | laurus | blip2, in Lenny I had this in a bash script: DISPLAY=:0.0 xmessage -center -timeout 30 -geometry 1280x800 "Look Away" |
| 15:21.58 | blip2 | laurus: its how I've got things working before |
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| 15:22.01 | laurus | blip2, and it woked fine |
| 15:22.42 | blip2 | a good way to test crontab stuff is paste it into a console |
| 15:22.44 | blip2 | if it works |
| 15:22.48 | blip2 | your good :P |
| 15:22.59 | blip2 | i.e. a tty session not xterm |
| 15:23.00 | laurus | blip2, well that bash script does work when I paste it in. |
| 15:23.06 | laurus | tty session? |
| 15:23.18 | blip2 | yes ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:23.44 | blip2 | a xterm lives within the X session therefore DISPLAY is already set to :0.0 |
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| 15:24.07 | skinder | you should tell him about alt-f7... |
| 15:24.12 | blip2 | true |
| 15:24.32 | nirazio | blip2: I can find only these "auth conf db pureftpd-dir-aliases" inside /etc/pure-ftpd |
| 15:24.40 | blip2 | inside conf then |
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| 15:24.51 | blip2 | skinder: oops :P |
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| 15:25.33 | skinder | laurus, use alt-f7 next time :) |
| 15:25.40 | laurus | skinder, haha, thanks. |
| 15:25.43 | laurus | blip2, obviously that doesn't work because it can't pop up a window in that kind of situation |
| 15:25.48 | nirazio | blip2: "AltLog MinUID PAMAuthentication UnixAuthentication FSCharset NoAnonymous PureDB" |
| 15:26.17 | blip2 | a xterm lives within the X session therefore DISPLAY is already set to :0.0 |
| 15:26.29 | laurus | blip2, ah |
| 15:26.35 | blip2 | crontab is like trying to do a popup in tty1 |
| 15:26.45 | laurus | I'm so frustrated, I don't understand why this doesn't work anymore |
| 15:26.51 | blip2 | hence you need to set DISPLAY with the export |
| 15:27.00 | blip2 | have you actually tried what I had above? |
| 15:27.09 | blip2 | laurus: * * * * * export DISPLAY=:0 && zenity --info --text="Hello" |
| 15:27.12 | laurus | blip2, yes, it didn't wokr. |
| 15:27.13 | laurus | work. |
| 15:27.21 | laurus | I think something is really messed up. |
| 15:27.25 | blip2 | are you using /etc/crontab? |
| 15:27.32 | blip2 | or crontab -e |
| 15:27.35 | laurus | crontab -e |
| 15:27.57 | blip2 | tried it with DISPLAY:0.0 ? |
| 15:28.29 | blip2 | a better way to test it is to ssh into your own box |
| 15:28.29 | laurus | I haven't let me try that. |
| 15:28.36 | blip2 | and try it from there |
| 15:29.03 | blip2 | nirazio: hold on |
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| 15:29.50 | nirazio | oke |
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| 15:30.21 | laurus | blip2, ugh, now it says "errors in crontab file, can't install" |
| 15:30.25 | laurus | What could have caused that? |
| 15:30.41 | blip2 | nirazio: http://linux.justinhartman.com/PureFTPd_Installation_and_Setup |
| 15:30.52 | blip2 | laurus: probably just syntax |
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| 15:31.09 | blip2 | try the command in a ssh session first |
| 15:31.26 | blip2 | I use it under debian so it does work :] |
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| 15:31.47 | laurus | I just don't get why it used to work and now suddenly doesn't. |
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| 15:32.19 | blip2 | running lenny? |
| 15:32.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Helllo! |
| 15:32.32 | blip2 | hi |
| 15:32.47 | laurus | blip2, no, I upgraded to Squeeze. |
| 15:32.55 | laurus | That's why this is happening suddenly. |
| 15:33.18 | laurus | Yeah, it still doesn't work. |
| 15:33.20 | blip2 | yeh, well the boxes I've had the command working on are squeeze too |
| 15:33.26 | blip2 | hold on |
| 15:33.34 | Emmanuel_Chanel | upgraded my router to squeeze, too. |
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| 15:34.19 | sphenxes | I am working with a very old graphic card. I would like to buy a new one but i don't know which graphic card would be compatible with my system (Squeeze)? where can i find a compatible new graphic card? |
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| 15:36.14 | nirazio | Here's an odd problem I've had for a while. Every so often, I find that I have several jpeg images sitting in my home directory that I didn't put there. I'm fairly sure this isn't a security breach but rather, there's something writing these files in there that I've forgotten about. |
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| 15:36.45 | blip2 | laurus: only difference I can see is that I'm using /etc/crontab |
| 15:36.52 | laurus | blip2, let me try that. |
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| 15:37.04 | laurus | But I have to sudo it. |
| 15:37.16 | blip2 | yeh |
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| 15:38.25 | laurus | blip2, so I just sudo nano crontab and edit that file? |
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| 15:39.26 | skinder | scanimage finds my scanner only when i say "sudo" |
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| 15:39.33 | blip2 | yup |
| 15:39.54 | skinder | sudo make me a sandwich. |
| 15:39.59 | skinder | sigh. |
| 15:40.09 | laurus | Nah, still nothing. |
| 15:40.14 | laurus | I just feel like it'll never work. |
| 15:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | skinder: What release? |
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| 15:40.34 | skinder | jhutchins_lt, release of what? |
| 15:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | Debian (presumably) |
| 15:40.48 | skinder | i use sane the first time. |
| 15:40.52 | skinder | squeeze/sid |
| 15:40.59 | blip2 | laurus: try sshing in |
| 15:41.09 | blip2 | at least then it'll give you some error messages to look at |
| 15:41.16 | laurus | blip2, I don't know how to do that really... is there a log I can look at? |
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| 15:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. The .32 kernel doesn't create /dev/scanner. If you run sane-find-scanner it should show you which sg device is the scanner, symlink that to /dev/scanner |
| 15:41.48 | blip2 | laurus: just ssh localhost |
| 15:41.48 | laurus | blip2, or is there a way I can do this without crontab? |
| 15:41.56 | laurus | connection refused |
| 15:42.07 | blip2 | aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 15:42.38 | skinder | iii uuse usb printer |
| 15:42.39 | laurus | Ok |
| 15:43.13 | laurus | Ok, I'm in |
| 15:43.28 | laurus | No protocol specified |
| 15:43.29 | laurus | Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 15:43.44 | laurus | How do I fix that? |
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| 15:46.12 | skinder | i can scan only with sudo. |
| 15:46.26 | skinder | also scanner has a weird name - hpaio:/usb/Photosmart_C5100_series?serial=MY784Q91KY04MK |
| 15:46.35 | XLV | laurus, export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 15:46.56 | laurus | XLV, my script is doing that... |
| 15:47.05 | themill | laurus: did you "ssh -X localhost"? or only "ssh localhost"? |
| 15:47.12 | laurus | Oh, I didn't do -X sorry |
| 15:47.32 | laurus | I still get "No protocal specified; cannot open display :0:0- |
| 15:47.33 | laurus | " |
| 15:47.40 | XLV | laurus, xhost + |
| 15:47.45 | themill | err no :( |
| 15:47.53 | laurus | XLV, well that worked. |
| 15:48.11 | laurus | But what the heck is that? |
| 15:48.13 | laurus | xhost + I mean |
| 15:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | skinder: What group owns the scanner device? |
| 15:48.24 | XLV | it allows connection to the X serve |
| 15:48.26 | XLV | +r |
| 15:48.27 | themill | !xhost |
| 15:48.27 | dpkg | methinks xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 15:48.40 | blip2 | themill: don't want to use -X |
| 15:48.44 | blip2 | not trying to open it over X |
| 15:48.55 | laurus | Hmm... |
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| 15:49.02 | laurus | I hate this, this is awful |
| 15:49.11 | blip2 | laurus: sounds like X isn't being started by you |
| 15:49.20 | siriusnova | X needs to die |
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| 15:49.31 | laurus | Is there any other way to do popups than with crontab? |
| 15:49.31 | XLV | die X, die |
| 15:49.35 | laurus | Like, to schedule popups I mean |
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| 15:49.52 | XLV | wtf is canonical using these days? |
| 15:49.55 | blip2 | write your own scheduler? :P |
| 15:50.06 | blip2 | in c and have your window manager start it when you login |
| 15:50.06 | MiluX | Hi there ! |
| 15:50.06 | XLV | use that |
| 15:50.07 | laurus | Oh, hey xhost local:laurus does the trick |
| 15:50.15 | laurus | XLV, what? |
| 15:50.21 | blip2 | laurus: it'll be opening the app over X though |
| 15:50.22 | siriusnova | canonical is switching to weyland |
| 15:50.27 | blip2 | which isn't what you wanty |
| 15:50.27 | siriusnova | a point in the right direction |
| 15:50.31 | laurus | blip2, why isn't it what I want? It works |
| 15:50.35 | themill | XLV: they use xorg, not that it's relevant to #debian. |
| 15:50.36 | XLV | weyland... |
| 15:50.37 | laurus | It's working perfectly now |
| 15:50.39 | blip2 | mmk |
| 15:50.46 | blip2 | with crontab? |
| 15:50.52 | blip2 | oh |
| 15:50.52 | laurus | Yes. |
| 15:50.54 | blip2 | ah |
| 15:51.14 | laurus | So where can I put that xhost local:laurus line to make sure it runs at startup/login? |
| 15:51.59 | laurus | .bashrc? |
| 15:52.06 | blip2 | laurus: you might want to remove openssh-server if you are using xhost :P |
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| 15:52.12 | blip2 | and yes |
| 15:52.15 | linduxed | ok i unmounted my home partition which is located on a logical volume |
| 15:52.27 | laurus | blip2, well it looks like I have no choice but to use this stupid xhost thing |
| 15:52.31 | linduxed | so i tried doing fsck.ext4 on it |
| 15:52.36 | laurus | Somehow Debian Squeeze requires me to do that. |
| 15:52.57 | linduxed | all i get is the following: fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/mapper/lv_encr |
| 15:53.12 | linduxed | the next line is: Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 15:53.29 | linduxed | I'm not sure what to do from here |
| 15:53.52 | User_007 | Hello guys, i use a r300 card and i want to test gallium. Is there someplace that is listed how to do that? I already use to compile my radeon driver, mesa and drm. |
| 15:53.54 | linduxed | the extra weird thing is that i was using it quite recently |
| 15:54.09 | linduxed | but after unmounting it i can't mount it again |
| 15:54.11 | blip2 | laurus: there will be other ways you just need to have the patience to mess around for a while :P |
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| 15:54.22 | blip2 | or roll your own way :] |
| 15:54.23 | laurus | blip2, other way for what? |
| 15:54.38 | blip2 | to get popups via crontab |
| 15:54.49 | laurus | Oh. |
| 15:54.54 | laurus | You mean other than this xhost thing? |
| 15:55.06 | blip2 | yeh |
| 15:55.07 | laurus | Er |
| 15:55.14 | laurus | Like what? |
| 15:55.22 | blip2 | have a look what dpkg said above |
| 15:55.34 | blip2 | or just /q dpkg xhost |
| 15:55.48 | blip2 | anything in <> just say it to it and it'll reply with more info |
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| 15:55.49 | themill | laurus: are you changing user when you ssh'd to localhost? |
| 15:55.50 | gnat_x | hey folks, i'm trying to build a preseed file that doesn't pull in any special packages past core-utils. i tried leaving the tasksel line blank, but that ended up pulling in gnome. anyone know what the right line to feed tasksel rather than nothing? |
| 15:55.55 | laurus | themill, no |
| 15:56.08 | laurus | blip2, what dpkg said looked really complicated and weird |
| 15:56.14 | laurus | I never had to do any of this on Debian Lenny. |
| 15:56.16 | themill | laurus: who owns your ~/.Xauthority |
| 15:56.27 | laurus | themill, no such file here |
| 15:56.29 | XLV | laurus, well, thats the essense of dpkg |
| 15:56.35 | XLV | complicated and weird |
| 15:56.46 | themill | laurus: there's your problem... how did you start X to begin with? |
| 15:56.49 | XLV | bit so futhfilling in the end |
| 15:56.57 | laurus | themill, um, I just turned on the computer and it showed up |
| 15:56.57 | XLV | s/bit/bit |
| 15:57.12 | XLV | shit... s/bit/but |
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| 15:58.19 | themill | laurus: what does "aptitude search ~Px-display-manager~i" output? |
| 15:58.21 | laurus | Ugh, is there any security issue with this "non-network local connections being added to access control list" thing? |
| 15:58.34 | laurus | themill, just gdm3. |
| 15:59.02 | themill | laurus: right, so next time someone asks how you start x, you can say "gdm3" :) |
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| 15:59.12 | laurus | themill, ah, thanks. |
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| 15:59.31 | XLV | laurus, well, yeah, that means ( xhost + ) that any local user in your system now can access X |
| 15:59.43 | laurus | XLV, well this is just a laptop, and I'm the only one on it |
| 15:59.54 | XLV | laurus, its used as a quick way to connect to X, afterwards you need to refine it |
| 15:59.56 | laurus | But still this whole thing bugs me, it's so dumb, I don't get what the issue is |
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| 16:00.04 | XLV | xhost local:laurus does that, a bit |
| 16:00.07 | laurus | XLV, well I'd like to just fix it now once and for all |
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| 16:00.14 | laurus | Like I said, this all worked perfectly on Debian Lenny |
| 16:00.21 | laurus | I feel like there has got to be a better way |
| 16:00.30 | XLV | theres always a better way |
| 16:00.37 | themill | laurus: the real problem to fix your missing ~/.Xauthority. everything else is just pissing about with band-aids. |
| 16:00.48 | laurus | themill, oh, awesome, thanks! So how do I do that? |
| 16:00.55 | laurus | And why wasn't it there in the first place? |
| 16:01.11 | blip2 | fail |
| 16:01.14 | themill | was your $HOME not mounted until after you logged in or something? |
| 16:01.28 | laurus | themill, I don't know, I just installed Debian Squeeze and started up the computer. |
| 16:01.35 | laurus | And GNOME popped up. |
| 16:02.06 | themill | you didn't do some spring cleaning and accidentally remove it or something? |
| 16:02.25 | laurus | themill, I don't think so, heh |
| 16:02.38 | laurus | Oh wait, it's here now |
| 16:02.43 | themill | hmm |
| 16:02.44 | laurus | It's like, binary or something though |
| 16:02.55 | laurus | It's not text... is that proper? |
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| 16:03.20 | themill | yes |
| 16:03.23 | laurus | Okay. |
| 16:03.28 | laurus | So I was wrong, it exists |
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| 16:03.39 | laurus | "I apologize" in the words of Glenn Beck |
| 16:03.42 | laurus | So how do I fix it thne? |
| 16:03.45 | laurus | then |
| 16:03.48 | themill | who owns the file and what are is permissions? |
| 16:03.52 | XLV | laurus, mkxauth |
| 16:03.57 | XLV | http://linux.die.net/man/1/mkxauth |
| 16:04.08 | laurus | themill, it is owned by me, and the permissions are: -rw------- |
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| 16:05.14 | cahoot | laurus: maybe this problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586685 |
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| 16:05.44 | laurus | cahoot, ahhhh |
| 16:05.51 | laurus | Interesting. |
| 16:05.51 | themill | oh my... how broken. |
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| 16:06.01 | laurus | cahoot, thanks a lot for mentioning that. |
| 16:06.04 | laurus | themill, so is that the issue? |
| 16:06.09 | themill | yes |
| 16:06.20 | laurus | Ok. So I just have to wait for someone to fix that bug and it'll all be resolved correct? |
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| 16:06.51 | laurus | themill, I also found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/373335/suggestions-for-a-cron-like-scheduler-in-python |
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| 16:08.03 | laurus | Is there a way for the system to e-mail me when that bug is resolved, themill? |
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| 16:08.53 | poisonbit | maybe using apt-listbugs + diff ? |
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| 16:09.02 | themill | laurus: that bug is unlikely to get fixed in squeeze. You might be able to fix it by setting XAUTHORITY in crontab too, or see the little config snippet in the bug log. |
| 16:09.18 | themill | laurus: You could subscribe to the bug for further updates; /msg dpkg bts |
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| 16:10.18 | laurus | themill, ok I will try that |
| 16:10.36 | themill | wonders why gdm3 would make such a change |
| 16:10.54 | laurus | Thanks so much for your help, everyone who helped me out! Too many names to list |
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| 16:12.50 | laurus | Be right back, going to test that snippet solution. |
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| 16:14.16 | linduxed | i unmounted my lvm'ed /home and tried using the pvscan command, i got this |
| 16:14.18 | linduxed | http://pastie.org/1370318 |
| 16:14.40 | linduxed | anything i can do about this? |
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| 16:18.28 | lapsusbrutus | How to make a uml image for lenny? basedebs.tar should be possible to find on installcd, but not there.. anyone has an idea? |
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| 16:18.40 | laurus | themill, that little snippet didn't do the trick. |
| 16:18.51 | laurus | Is it safe to stick with the xhost thing for a couple of years? |
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| 16:20.24 | themill | laurus: does "xauth list" print out anything useful? |
| 16:20.47 | laurus | It prints out something I don't really understand |
| 16:21.05 | pipeline | ssh -X, do you speak it |
| 16:21.17 | themill | something looking like machine/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 deadbeef1234 |
| 16:21.19 | chomwitt | can i report translation suggestions/corrections for a package in the BTS ? |
| 16:21.33 | laurus | themill, yes, that exactly. |
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| 16:24.47 | laurus | Blah. |
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| 16:26.04 | themill | laurus: looking at that config snippet didn't inspire me with a great deal of confidence... but you could adapt it perhaps to: xauth -f ~/.Xauthority add `xauth list :0` |
| 16:26.27 | laurus | themill, hmm. Did you see that Python link I posted? |
| 16:26.32 | themill | (there's a better syntax for that using merge and a pipe, but I can't recall it) |
| 16:27.20 | themill | laurus: reinventing the wheel is always a valid approach too, yes. |
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| 16:27.31 | laurus | themill, well, it's not quite reinventing the wheel in this case |
| 16:27.43 | themill | it's reinventing cron... |
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| 16:27.47 | laurus | If it works and I never have to deal with this problem ever again. |
| 16:27.50 | cahoot | xauth extract - $DISPLAY | xauth merge - ? |
| 16:28.23 | manhunter | hello |
| 16:28.33 | themill | cahoot: yeah, that rings a bell. Except you have to specifically stick it into ~/.Xauthority. |
| 16:28.38 | manhunter | when would the debian squeeze be available ? |
| 16:28.43 | manhunter | or stable |
| 16:28.46 | themill | manhunter: /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 16:31.45 | laurus | themill and cahoot, well thanks for hacking on with me. |
| 16:31.52 | laurus | I'm unease about the xhost thing so I'm going to go with a Python solution |
| 16:32.43 | themill | laurus: if you get ~/.Xauthority sorted, you won't need xhost. |
| 16:32.53 | laurus | themill, right but I have no idea how to do that |
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| 16:33.18 | themill | (you could always just switch to gdm instead of gdm3) |
| 16:34.06 | manhunter | this is beta2,http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:34.16 | laurus | themill, that sounds annoying. |
| 16:34.22 | themill | predicts gdm+xauth is likely to be a FAQ |
| 16:34.42 | manhunter | this is beta2,http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/ , how many beta release will come after this to get stable ? |
| 16:34.45 | themill | laurus: "aptitude install gdm gdm3_" should do it. |
| 16:35.00 | themill | manhunter: that's only a beta release of the installer, that's not a beta of squeeze. |
| 16:35.41 | manhunter | ok,this is beta2 of the installer,http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/ , how many beta release will come after this to get stable installer ? |
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| 16:36.26 | abrotman | manhunter: really, you should use a daily |
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| 16:36.55 | cahoot | laurus: if you remove .Xauthority and then cat $XAUTHORITY > .Xauthority - the problem persists? |
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| 16:37.58 | laurus | cahoot, do I have to restart GNOME to test that? |
| 16:37.59 | manhunter | abrotman, i downloaded daily builds once but it looks that there is some problem with daily builds |
| 16:38.00 | laurus | I just did it. |
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| 16:38.15 | laurus | Woah... I think it's working. |
| 16:38.45 | themill | cahoot: does gdm3 set $XAUTHORITY correctly? |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | manhunter: and this point, the daily builds shuld be fully working |
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| 16:39.03 | themill | cahoot: is it the same every time or does it vary always? |
| 16:39.08 | laurus | cahoot, you did it! |
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| 16:39.40 | cahoot | themill: the workaround in the bug has 'worked' here - I'm otherwise clueless wrt to the inner mechanisms |
| 16:39.55 | themill | laurus: that's exactly what that config snippet from the bug does exactly that |
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| 16:40.07 | laurus | themill, interesting. It didn't work on startup. |
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| 16:40.18 | themill | laurus: did you set it to be executable? |
| 16:40.20 | cahoot | was just speculatin the old .Xauthority was still left |
| 16:40.23 | laurus | themill, not sure. Ugh |
| 16:40.40 | themill | cahoot: fair enough. If it's always the same then either a symlink or just setting XAUTHORITY in cron would be enough |
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| 16:42.13 | laurus | themill, cahoot: So will I have to do this every time I restart? |
| 16:42.48 | cahoot | laurus: I just made use of the code snippet in the bugreport |
| 16:42.55 | laurus | cahoot, oh, okay |
| 16:42.56 | laurus | Er |
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| 16:43.24 | laurus | But putting it into the file they recommend didn't do anything. |
| 16:43.37 | manhunter | why are so many nicks quiting and joining at this time ? |
| 16:43.41 | daemonkeeper | Net split |
| 16:43.56 | daemonkeeper | That is, an IRC server disconnected from the network. |
| 16:44.06 | daemonkeeper | Accidentally |
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| 16:44.09 | manhunter | daemonkeeper, why ? |
| 16:44.42 | themill | !netsplit |
| 16:44.43 | dpkg | i heard netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 16:45.51 | laurus | cahoot, how can I make it do that every time I start up? |
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| 16:46.34 | cahoot | laurus: rstart and see if you need to |
| 16:46.54 | laurus | cahoot, oh, okay :) |
| 16:47.05 | nirazio | I have a ssh server, and some clients have login it via key login.So the host identity of server has been stored in the known_host of clients.I want to reinstall the server, but I hope it never impact the experience of client.I'm wondering whether it's possible to backup the host identity of server, then restore it. |
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| 16:48.08 | zoulan | hey everyone, recently i've updated my kernel, now i seem to be running a backported one which worked fine till now, but at the moment i'm trying to get virtualbox running, but "modprobe vboxdrv" wont work and dmesg gives me the following output: http://pastebin.com/utgmjUDV ? Basecally, what could i do about it? |
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| 16:48.43 | grand_grunt | zoulan: they are in /etc/ssh it seems, you can backup them |
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| 16:49.25 | gnat_x | is the hostname available as a variable to use in the preseed file, ie can i use that value supplied by the user during install to populate the answer to another question, in this case volume group name? |
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| 16:49.56 | zoulan | grand_grunt: what is in /etc/ssh that i should backup? |
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| 16:52.07 | grand_grunt | zoulan: I would say all ssh_host* files |
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| 16:52.48 | themill | grand_grunt: perhaps you want to be talking to nirazio not zoulan |
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| 16:53.31 | zoulan | grand_grunt: what ssh-host* files are you talking about, my problem is that virtualbox won't work because of my kernel version, ssh just works fine and i don't want to mess with it |
| 16:54.37 | nirazio | grand_grunt: it's me asked abt backup/restore the host key in ssh server.... |
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| 16:55.17 | grand_grunt | zoulan: sorry, wrong HL. thanks themill |
| 16:55.37 | nirazio | grand_grunt: Tell me what should i do? |
| 16:55.42 | grand_grunt | nirazio: /etc/ssh/ssh_host* files are the keys |
| 16:56.14 | nirazio | how to restore?? |
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| 16:57.25 | grand_grunt | nirazio: You just copy them to a backup area, then copy on your new install |
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| 16:58.13 | nirazio | grand_grunt: I have the following "moduli ssh_config sshd_config ssh_host_dsa_key ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key ssh_host_rsa_key.pub" |
| 16:58.24 | SparFux1 | Hi! When doing dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools, I get "/boot/initrd.img-vmlinuz-2.6.36-rc7-nouveau-2010-10-11 does not exist. Cannot update." But there is no such package or initrd.img, it maybe WAS there. How can I get rid of this error? |
| 16:58.32 | delby | hi. i am using chromium on squeeze. is it possible to configure the launcher to include flags that can be used for launching from cmd? |
| 16:58.37 | nirazio | grand_grunt: Which one i want to backup??? |
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| 16:59.09 | grand_grunt | nirazio: keep it simple, you can backup all /etc/ssh directory, so that you keep all config and keys |
| 16:59.51 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 17:00.01 | nirazio | grand_grunt: thank you :) |
| 17:00.16 | sobersabre | I want to run a process NOT as root, but to make sure it is respawned when it dies. |
| 17:00.30 | sobersabre | What is the "debian-way" of doing this ? |
| 17:00.43 | sobersabre | (It's a network daemon) |
| 17:01.17 | sobersabre | I have several alternatives: init.d script, supervise (daemontools), or something else I'm not aware of. |
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| 17:01.48 | rozie | init.d does not ensure respawn after die |
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| 17:04.01 | sobersabre | rozie: it doesn't seem to, but I am not sure how to utilize supervise for non root user. |
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| 17:06.44 | laurus | cahoot, it seems I will have to perform the rm .Xauthority and cat every time I startup. Where should I put that code? |
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| 17:07.01 | iluminator101 | hey how do i restart the printing services manually? |
| 17:08.22 | iluminator101 | printer is on but its not recognizing its on...??? |
| 17:08.43 | rozie | sobersabre: daemontools should work and should allow to choose user. otherwise you always can run "watching" deamon/cronjob, even as root, and run with other user rights |
| 17:08.48 | rozie | (man su) |
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| 17:09.29 | rozie | iluminator101: what services? |
| 17:09.43 | iluminator101 | rozie printing |
| 17:09.47 | rozie | iluminator101: /etc/init.d/NAME restart |
| 17:09.56 | iluminator101 | name of what? |
| 17:10.00 | rozie | iluminator101: which printing? there are a lot of |
| 17:10.01 | sobersabre | rozie: "daemontools should allow" - I haven't found it. |
| 17:10.12 | sobersabre | Can you point me to the document describing how to do this ? |
| 17:10.24 | rozie | NAME of (printing) service |
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| 17:10.42 | rozie | iluminator101: ask your admin what service does the system use |
| 17:10.50 | laurus | How do I run a script at startup? |
| 17:10.59 | iluminator101 | rozie, have cups i restarted it |
| 17:11.43 | rozie | iluminator101: great! |
| 17:12.15 | iluminator101 | rozie, but the printer is not being recognized still ??? |
| 17:12.39 | rozie | iluminator101: pity. |
| 17:12.54 | rozie | !tell laurus about rc.local |
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| 17:13.25 | nirazio | grand_grunt: But what i am asking is "the problem that i am referring is that the identity of the machine is stored locally in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and clients check to make sure the known host is the one from last time.If not key_auth will fail and you get this huge "DANGER" notification. |
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| 17:13.44 | laurus | rozie, I need to rm ~/.Xauthory and cat $XAUTHORITY > .Xauthority |
| 17:13.59 | laurus | Will that run those commands as my current user, or root? |
| 17:14.20 | rozie | laurus: read manual or check yourself? |
| 17:14.24 | laurus | rozie, ok sorry |
| 17:14.33 | rozie | laurus: you can also use @reboot in crontab |
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| 17:14.38 | rozie | if want to run as user |
| 17:14.45 | laurus | rozie, thank you |
| 17:14.54 | themill | it has to run after login, not from rc.local or from cron |
| 17:15.09 | laurus | themill, oh okay, how can I Do that? |
| 17:15.32 | Boohemian | any files in usr/share , all users get access to, right? i'm creating a bunch of *.nanorc syntax files that i want all users on this debian machine to have access to |
| 17:15.37 | themill | laurus: either work out why gdm3 didn't run it from the postlogin directory, or add it to your gnome session's autostart. The rm isn't necessary. |
| 17:15.53 | laurus | themill, where is the GNOME session's autostart? |
| 17:16.47 | themill | laurus: I don't use gnome, sorry. |
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| 17:17.53 | abrotman | laurus: System->Preferences |
| 17:17.55 | grand_grunt | Boohemian: It depends on the permission you put on files, but yeah: /usr/share itself is readable by all users, it needs to be. |
| 17:18.29 | laurus | themill, abrotman thanks. I'll test it |
| 17:18.37 | rozie | laurus: why do you want to do such a thing? and why not to use mkxauth? |
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| 17:23.40 | valdyn | Boohemian: you should not use /usr/share except where debian packages install files to that directory |
| 17:23.50 | zoulan | hey! is someone familiar with rmmod or modprobe? "rmmod -f vboxdrv" tells me that the module is in use and won't let me unload it, but "modprobe -r vboxdrv" just won't do anything (have to kill it with Ctrl-C)...is there any solution? |
| 17:24.11 | valdyn | zoulan: you should not ever use rmmod |
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| 17:24.40 | valdyn | zoulan: if modprobe -r hangs like that you created a broken situation via rmmod or you are hitting a bug in that driver |
| 17:25.20 | zoulan | valdyn: ok, sounds evident, but how do i sove this "broken situation"? |
| 17:25.22 | Boohemian | valdyn: so where should i install my e.g. php.nanorc files for nano? the doc i am reading says in usr/share/nano |
| 17:25.43 | valdyn | Boohemian: /usr/local/share/nano works |
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| 17:26.57 | valdyn | Boohemian: its quite typical that developers of software dont follow basic distro rules, thats expected |
| 17:27.18 | valdyn | Boohemian: and one of those basic rules is that you dont put files where package management might interfer |
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| 17:28.10 | zoulan | valdyn: is there a possibility how to see which processes are usein a particular module (lsmod just shows the number of processes using a module, but not the name)? |
| 17:28.14 | grand_grunt | valdyn, Boohemian : the good place for non-packaged files is /usr/local/share, right? |
| 17:29.34 | valdyn | zoulan: nope, you would need to check the /dev node as far as i know |
| 17:29.44 | fanderal | zoulan: vboxnetadp and vboxnetflt are depends of vboxdrv |
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| 17:30.00 | valdyn | zoulan: but deps dont need to be processes, can be modules |
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| 17:30.52 | SparFux1 | how could initramfs-tools know about a package I have already installed? |
| 17:30.55 | valdyn | grand_grunt: for whatever files should be there according to fhs |
| 17:31.52 | zoulan | fanderal: ok they are dependencies, but none of them seems to be running as a process or using vboxdrv in any other manner...so? |
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| 17:32.36 | zoulan | valdyn: ok, any chance to see which module is using which other module? and: how to "chek the /dev node"? |
| 17:32.42 | valdyn | zoulan: those modules are removed and vboxdrv still wont budge? |
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| 17:32.53 | anddam | hello |
| 17:32.53 | valdyn | zoulan: fuser /dev/whatever |
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| 17:33.58 | fanderal | zoulan: what do you want to do... run the vbox app or delete it? |
| 17:34.13 | zoulan | fanderal: i want to delete it |
| 17:34.59 | zoulan | fanderal: dpkg won't let me do that as the module is still running and i can't seem to unload it as it is still in use, bad situation |
| 17:35.40 | grand_grunt | zoulan: You may blacklist it and reboot, if reboot is possible. |
| 17:35.46 | iluminator101 | virtualbox had the printer thats why i couldnt print |
| 17:36.08 | zoulan | grand_grunt: basically reboot _is_ possible, luckyly, but how do i blacklist it? |
| 17:36.09 | fanderal | zoulan: have you rebooted after deleting? |
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| 17:36.16 | zoulan | fanderal: not yet |
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| 17:36.34 | fanderal | zoulan: try that first |
| 17:36.35 | anddam | can dsc files work with svn repo rather than tarballs? |
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| 17:36.45 | zoulan | fanderal: but it's linux, not Windoze, so rebooting should not be the way to go :/ |
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| 17:37.15 | anddam | one of the lamest IRC user exploit ever? |
| 17:37.21 | fanderal | zoulan: then modprobe -r the other two mods and restart hal |
| 17:37.23 | valdyn | there should be a filter for that one.. |
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| 17:37.42 | anddam | valdyn: the dcc send? |
| 17:37.46 | themill | arjovr: you might like to fix your router or connect to a different port on freenode |
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| 17:38.08 | valdyn | anddam: the starkeylogger |
| 17:38.12 | frostschutz | I think it's hilarous (and offtopic :) |
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| 17:38.27 | zoulan | fanderal: these other two things don't seem to be modules according to lsmod |
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| 17:40.14 | fanderal | zoulan: might be better doing a reboot at this point |
| 17:41.17 | zoulan | fanderal: yeah, seems so, will do that now, but i will come back to the channel and report the result, thx for the help so far |
| 17:41.38 | fanderal | zoulan: yw... hope it works |
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| 17:51.53 | zoulan | fanderal: ok, now the kernel module does not seem to be running anymore, so trying to uninstall virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-qt seems to work, but dpkg -l is still listing them, strange? |
| 17:52.15 | zoulan | fanderal: and the vboxdrv module is still existing, how do i remove it? |
| 17:52.37 | jetscreamer | modprobe -r |
| 17:52.41 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 17:52.41 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 17:52.45 | themill | zoulan: they can be uninstalled but still listed by dpkg -l (listed a "removed" or "purged" rather than "installed". check the first column of the output) |
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| 17:53.41 | fanderal | zoulan: jetscreamer had a quick answer ;) |
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| 17:53.54 | zoulan | jetscreamer: ok, modprobe -r seems to do nothing, just leaves the cursor at the beginning of the line as if the program was running, but won't do anything, actually |
| 17:54.05 | zoulan | fanderal: right :) |
| 17:54.17 | jetscreamer | uh.. modprobe -r <modulename> |
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| 17:54.44 | zoulan | jetscreamer: yes, i didn't forget the <modulename> |
| 17:54.46 | zoulan | ! |
| 17:54.56 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 17:55.27 | zoulan | i have to quit modprobe with Ctrl-C every time |
| 17:57.06 | pfred1 | anyone here ever experience any oddities running Gnash? |
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| 17:57.27 | laurus | Is there a way to delete .deb files in aptitude of packages I have uninstalled? |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | aptitude clean |
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| 17:58.01 | jetscreamer | that deletes all not a selection |
| 17:58.04 | jetscreamer | fyi |
| 17:58.10 | laurus | jetscreamer, oh, heh |
| 17:58.12 | laurus | Whoops. |
| 17:58.15 | laurus | Well, thanks anyway. |
| 17:58.36 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/somethingSomewhereIForget/ |
| 17:58.47 | jelly-home | archives. |
| 17:59.04 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives delete what you want |
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| 18:00.11 | pfred1 | so no one here has had Gnash consume 100% system resources? |
| 18:00.14 | abrotman | it does .. but there's also aptitude autoclean IIRC |
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| 18:00.29 | jelly-home | neither does what laurus wants |
| 18:00.34 | zoulan | ok, maybe someone else can tell me how to unload and remove a sticky kernel module when modprobe -r does not seem to work? |
| 18:00.51 | laurus | It's okay, thanks all |
| 18:00.55 | pfred1 | zoulan remove what depends on it first |
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| 18:01.08 | laurus | So, does Gnash work with YouTube now? |
| 18:01.15 | jetscreamer | blacklist it and reboot if all else fails? |
| 18:01.22 | pfred1 | laurus depends on what you'd define works as |
| 18:01.41 | fanderal | zoulan: what jetscreamer said |
| 18:01.54 | debiantonio | aptitude autoclean--> unfinished downloads too |
| 18:01.55 | jelly-home | zoulan: that sort of failure typically indicates a kernel bug. Inspect /var/log/kern.log or dmesg for clues |
| 18:01.57 | laurus | pfred1, I ask because I thought it was working perfectly, but then I activated the debian-multimedia repos and all hell broke loose. After cleaning up the damage, I found that gnash doesn't work on YouTube anymore. |
| 18:02.38 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone can give me a hint for howto complile |
| 18:02.43 | pfred1 | laurus just seems some pages with some flash ads my browser goes nuts like it never did with a real plugin |
| 18:02.53 | lapsusbrutus | sorry.. posted by mistake |
| 18:03.09 | laurus | pfred1, but can you watch videos? |
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| 18:03.28 | pfred1 | laurus let me check I thought I could the last time I tried |
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| 18:03.34 | laurus | pfred1, on every video I get "An error occurred. Please Try again later." |
| 18:03.48 | laurus | For example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNBMdDaYhZA |
| 18:03.59 | laurus | Oh, this time I just get a grey screen. |
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| 18:04.01 | pfred1 | is watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgFQa5lzzM |
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| 18:04.28 | M3ch0M4nc3r | Good AFTNOON folks, Someone got time to help me out with a bit of an issue, i am a windows convert and so far happy with the deb dist but i need some help with the pitivi, it's not starting and gives an error in root terminal. someone wannta take a crack at it? |
| 18:04.30 | laurus | interesting, that worked in Epiphany, but not in Iceweasel. |
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| 18:04.43 | laurus | pfred1, any idea why it would work in one browser and not another? |
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| 18:04.49 | pfred1 | M3ch0M4nc3r looking for some pity are you? |
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| 18:04.59 | jelly-home | !versions pitivi |
| 18:05.01 | laurus | Oh, hah, now the error shows up in both. |
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| 18:05.11 | jetscreamer | !tell M3ch0M4nc3r -about ask |
| 18:05.14 | em | which key do you like to use for your compose key? |
| 18:05.18 | pfred1 | man my video looks good on this machine |
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| 18:05.40 | jelly-home | ,versions pitivi |
| 18:05.42 | judd | Package pitivi on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.3-1.1; sid: 0.13.4-3; squeeze: 0.13.4-3; experimental: 0.13.5-1 |
| 18:05.51 | InToCaBLe | hello |
| 18:05.58 | jelly-home | M3ch0M4nc3r: why are you running it as root? |
| 18:06.04 | pfred1 | seems awfully low version I'd expect some rough edges |
| 18:06.09 | M3ch0M4nc3r | no managed to fix everything else by myself and feel a little uncomfortable about asking anyone for help on this one. |
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| 18:07.08 | pfred1 | M3ch0M4nc3r sometimes if I really get stuck I will email a project developer they're usually happy to at least listen to users |
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| 18:07.18 | zoulan | pfred1: is already removed |
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| 18:07.54 | jintxo | 7topic |
| 18:07.58 | laurus | pfred1, it seems blocking cookies from youtube.com helps |
| 18:08.02 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: No need to feel uncomfortable. Just ask your question, answer ours and provide as much information as you can give us. You might, for example, try to run pitivi as your user and paste any error you encounter to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:08.02 | zoulan | jelly-home: /var/log/kernel.log seems to be ok |
| 18:08.08 | pfred1 | laurus huh |
| 18:08.33 | laurus | Although a lot of these videos still don't really work. |
| 18:09.30 | M3ch0M4nc3r | i get the same error running as root as user. no changhe. posting error to the site brb |
| 18:09.33 | candleman | Does anyone know of a good source of information on what hardware works with which versions of Debian? |
| 18:09.36 | pfred1 | it sure seems like this plugin makes my system work hard |
| 18:09.56 | laurus | pfred1, is there a way to install Firefox 4 beta on Debian Squeeze without screwing up Iceweasel? |
| 18:10.23 | pfred1 | laurus I don't know I'm a seamonkeyer |
| 18:10.27 | laurus | Ok :) |
| 18:11.04 | pfred1 | looks like I closed my browser in the nick of time it had my system load up to 50% all by itself and was still rising! |
| 18:11.25 | M3ch0M4nc3r | here is the output when running pitivi http://paste.debian.net/102218/ |
| 18:11.33 | pfred1 | thank Intel for variable CPU fan speed so I can hear it coming |
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| 18:11.57 | laurus | pfred1, you mean with gnash? |
| 18:12.09 | pfred1 | its trash I need to remove it and just run the plain old plugin |
| 18:12.15 | babilen | laurus: You should be able to install it to /usr/local (ask dpkg about <usrlocal> and <stow>) the only problem I see is that "firefox-bin" of iceweasel might be shadowed by the ff4 one |
| 18:12.16 | pfred1 | laurus yes |
| 18:12.46 | em | ~a |
| 18:12.46 | apt | hmm... a is not b The first letter in the English alphabet!, or a |
| 18:13.16 | laurus | babilen, long time no see. Thanks! |
| 18:13.21 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: Please don't run pitivi (or most other programs) as root. Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 18:13.30 | laurus | I'll just install chromium-browser to use for YouTube. |
| 18:13.35 | laurus | With HTML5 and WebM. |
| 18:13.46 | babilen | laurus: Been around in the last weeks, but we might have missed each other. Am a bit busy these days :) |
| 18:13.55 | laurus | :) |
| 18:13.55 | pfred1 | I ran chromium it sure looks sparse |
| 18:14.09 | laurus | pfred1, it's just because it supports WebM that I'm downloading it |
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| 18:14.41 | pfred1 | laurus yes YouTube can be hours of mindless entertainment |
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| 18:14.49 | laurus | pfred1, I use it for inspiration. |
| 18:15.03 | jetscreamer | !hcl |
| 18:15.03 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 18:15.16 | pfred1 | laurus for what to don a football helmet and dive into an empty pool? |
| 18:15.20 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: I found a bug report for your problem. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563900 -- Give me a second and I'll try to reproduce it and try the fix. |
| 18:15.23 | M3ch0M4nc3r | gnu/linux debian squeeze/sid kern 2.6.32-5-686 (i686) |
| 18:15.27 | laurus | pfred1, LOL. No. To watch inspiring figures! |
| 18:15.32 | laurus | Hey, HTML5/WebM works. Fantastic. |
| 18:15.39 | laurus | Screw Flash. |
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| 18:15.56 | pfred1 | more like screw Gnash |
| 18:16.08 | pfred1 | I have to get rid of it |
| 18:16.28 | laurus | pfred1, here's an example of the inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdGL_fu9CVA |
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| 18:18.29 | pfred1 | laurus I like when the Chinese take off their shoes to beat each other with them personally |
| 18:18.42 | laurus | pfred1, er... okay |
| 18:18.48 | laurus | Anyway, thanks for the help. |
| 18:18.51 | laurus | Gotta go. |
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| 18:20.44 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: I should note that running sid is definitely not a good way to get into Debian. I would *strongly* recommend you to install either Lenny or Squeeze. I can't reproduce the bug, but give me a second as I figure out what *might* be wrong with your system. |
| 18:21.29 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: How did you install pitivi? It looks as if you installed it manually and did not use the Debian package. Do you have any specific reason for that? |
| 18:22.14 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: Could you remove your manual installation, run "aptitude install pitivi" and try it again? |
| 18:22.31 | M3ch0M4nc3r | ran the install from their site at first then removed and reinstaled with synapt pak manager yesterday. |
| 18:23.29 | M3ch0M4nc3r | ok how do i uninstall the current version completely? |
| 18:23.39 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: You obviously didn't remove everything. Make sure that everything is removed (e.g. /usr/local/bin/pitivi , /usr/local/lib/pitivi ...) |
| 18:23.49 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: How did you install it? |
| 18:24.08 | M3ch0M4nc3r | used the source and built and ran source. |
| 18:25.13 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: You ran the program "source" ? |
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| 18:25.59 | M3ch0M4nc3r | make install ect ect |
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| 18:27.05 | M3ch0M4nc3r | just ran apt-get remove pitivi |
| 18:27.08 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: Ah, so they provide a Makefile. You might want to try "make uninstall" and hope that they provide an uninstall target for make. Another idea would be just manually delete everything from /usr/local that was installed by pitivi |
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| 18:29.31 | pfred1 | babilen back when i used to use source packages I'd recirect the output of make install to a file in case I had to uninstall |
| 18:29.36 | doublehp_ | how's called the replacement for xmms ? when i run xmms2, i am said to use nyxmms2 which i can't find in aptitude |
| 18:29.45 | abrotman | audacious? |
| 18:29.47 | babilen | pfred1: Good practice :) |
| 18:29.58 | doublehp_ | abrotman: yep |
| 18:30.16 | pfred1 | babilen nah i finally switched to a distro with a reasonable package management system Debian! |
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| 18:30.51 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: Running "make install" should tell you what was installed. You could also ask #pitivi how to remove *their* program. After you've done this, you can install the Debian package and begin to use pitivi ;) |
| 18:30.54 | pfred1 | though I still have to learn how to debianize source tarballs |
| 18:31.09 | babilen | pfred1: Not that hard (dh_make is a blessing) |
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| 18:31.29 | pfred1 | babilen yeah just haven't had much call to mess with it |
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| 18:32.23 | babilen | sure, but I tend to use stow for installations from source |
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| 18:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | Often the README files say how to remove the package. |
| 18:32.42 | M3ch0M4nc3r | working on it now. |
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| 18:37.06 | hfox | I'm having large problems with getting my frech installed squeeze to boot. Two mirrored ~80GiB disks partitioned with one ext2 /boot and one LVM2 partition, separate logical volumes for /usr, /tmp, /home, swap and /. Grub-probe returns "unknown filesystem" on /boot. |
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| 18:38.38 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: The 0.13 version includes an uninstall target, what does "make uninstall" give you? |
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| 18:40.02 | MooseMorals | So "dpkg --get-selections" tells me what packages are installed, is there a way to find out what order the packages were installed in? |
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| 18:40.22 | babilen | MooseMorals: /var/log/dpkg.log* ? |
| 18:40.40 | babilen | (et al) |
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| 18:41.03 | MooseMorals | thanks babilen |
| 18:41.08 | MooseMorals | fires up perl |
| 18:41.17 | babilen | fires down perl |
| 18:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | hfox: Need to generate your initramfs with the drivers for the RAID. |
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| 18:43.48 | hfox | jhutchins_lt, The initramfs has the drivers needed. |
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| 18:46.02 | M3ch0M4nc3r | WOOT got it guys!! |
| 18:46.36 | M3ch0M4nc3r | it was the pitivi dir in /usr/lib pitivi just removed it and reinstalled and it works |
| 18:46.50 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 18:47.13 | babilen | M3ch0M4nc3r: What exactly did you do? What does "which pitivi" give you now? |
| 18:47.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've a problem with libgl1-nvidia-alternatives on squeeze, it doesn't want to go away ^^ http://pastie.org/1370708 |
| 18:47.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | this is the output of aptitude install -f |
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| 18:48.08 | M3ch0M4nc3r | /usr/bin/pitivi |
| 18:48.18 | M3ch0M4nc3r | dumped it to after uninstall\ |
| 18:49.24 | babilen | "dumped it to after uninstall" ? So "make uninstall" worked and you reinstalled the Debian package? |
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| 18:50.10 | hfox | jhutchins_lt, are you able to help more? |
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| 19:14.03 | pfred1 | what is going on here? |
| 19:14.30 | pfred1 | I go off for one minute to check out my browser plugin and this |
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| 19:15.48 | babilen | pfred1: hehe ;-þ |
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| 19:16.39 | alechiko | Hello, I used the graphical installer to do an encrypted LVM installation on one drive. Im trying to edit my grub configuration, but neither grub.conf nor menu.lst are present. /boot is definitely mounted, and the system boots perfectly, but i cant find the files. Any thoughts? |
| 19:17.02 | pythoned | Hi, I have a big problem. Debian beginner, forgot my root password. What would be the most easy way to change it? |
| 19:17.06 | pfred1 | yeah the system Gnasher had to go aptitude remove gnash aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:17.41 | babilen | alechiko: Lenny/Squeeze? |
| 19:18.02 | pfred1 | pythoned it has been a whlle but I sort of removing a field in /etc/shadow to get around that |
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| 19:18.26 | alechiko | babilen: squeeze |
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| 19:19.20 | pythoned | I'm running squeeze if that helps. |
| 19:19.20 | pfred1 | pythoned also I'm pretty sure that is why they invented Pos-It notes so you could write your root passwd ont othem and paste them onto your box |
| 19:19.45 | babilen | alechiko: /etc/default/grub is most likely the place you want to edit. You are most likely using grub2 |
| 19:19.47 | dragonfly | lol @ pfred1 |
| 19:19.53 | pythoned | pfred1: Yeah, silly me. I generated a complex one...forgot to write it down on my machine. |
| 19:20.02 | pythoned | pfred1: Not a good security practice thou...:P |
| 19:20.13 | acemi | pythoned: switch the edit mode at the grub menu. add init=/bin/bash at the end of "linux" line |
| 19:20.26 | pfred1 | dragonfly yeah I'm not joking I hate losing root passwd |
| 19:20.32 | pythoned | acemi: Thanks, I will try it now. |
| 19:20.35 | dragonfly | pythoned -- you could boot into a live cd, then chroot to your HD install and then change the password |
| 19:20.46 | pfred1 | pythoned I still have a pretty good swing if I can't get to a gun |
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| 19:20.53 | acemi | pythoned: after login change your password with passwd command |
| 19:21.00 | alechiko | babilen: that file exists, but i dont see a kernel entry there anywhere |
| 19:21.07 | babilen | !i forgot root's password |
| 19:21.08 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 19:21.15 | pythoned | acemi: And after that do I have to remove that line you gaved me? |
| 19:21.35 | acemi | pythoned: no need, this is a temperory change |
| 19:21.48 | pythoned | acemi: Thanks so much. Woohoo!! |
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| 19:21.55 | sgeigerbot | ~stable |
| 19:21.56 | apt | somebody said stable was the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days, or where the horses live The current stable version of Debian is sarge (3.1). |
| 19:22.05 | acemi | np |
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| 19:22.15 | sgeigerbot | ~unstable |
| 19:22.15 | apt | from memory, unstable is http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
| 19:22.16 | pfred1 | I always used a rescue image then just mounted the drive and edited /etc/shadow |
| 19:22.32 | sphenxes | hi, all my movies are very dark to watch. I thought there was an equilizer for the color in vlc and movie player. I can't find such buttons any more. how can i make the movie a little bit brighter under squeeze. (is there any unstable, non free versions of movie players) |
| 19:22.42 | cafaro | How can I change my gdm theme in Squeeze? "sudo gdmsetup" doesn't offer an option for that.. |
| 19:23.01 | pfred1 | sphenxes I use mplayer |
| 19:23.26 | babilen | alechiko: Uhm, sorry. Have to go. You might want to read up on the way grub2 is configured in Debian (mostly automagic) -- look at /etc/grub.d/* |
| 19:23.34 | sphenxes | pfred1, can i change the movie contrast |
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| 19:23.56 | pfred1 | sphenxes mplayer has controls easily accessible with gmplayer |
| 19:24.07 | sphenxes | pfred1, thanks |
| 19:24.12 | pfred1 | sure np |
| 19:24.34 | alechiko | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 19:24.44 | pfred1 | mplayer is the multimedia player it can make sense of random noise just about |
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| 19:25.04 | babilen | alechiko: You might also want to provide more information on what you are trying to do. Cya later and good luck! |
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| 19:25.54 | alechiko | I would like to edit my grub configuration to allow for a frambuffer/splash parameter on the kernel line. Where can i find the file to edit. |
| 19:27.12 | babilen | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:27.28 | alechiko | thanks ;) |
| 19:27.39 | alechiko | im used a different setup in gentoo |
| 19:27.42 | babilen | run "update-grub" afterwards |
| 19:28.27 | babilen | alechiko: you are most likely used to the deprecated grub1 menu.lst et.al. stuff -- grub2 is a bit harder to configure manually and most stuff is done automagically |
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| 19:29.31 | alechiko | babilen: im worried about breaking it, does this look like a viable entry: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=791 splash quiet" |
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| 19:30.04 | babilen | no |
| 19:30.31 | alechiko | well, see, im using this guide, and i dont know how to make it grub2 compatible: http://richs-lxh.com/howto-splashy-on-debian/ |
| 19:30.34 | babilen | argh -- could you wait a little? this is a bit more involved and I don't have time right now :-\ |
| 19:30.42 | alechiko | sure! |
| 19:30.44 | alechiko | i thought you were leaving |
| 19:30.47 | dragonfly | alechiko, when I'm worried about breaking stuff, i always cp file.name file.name.original before making any changes |
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| 19:31.33 | babilen | alechiko: I would install splashy and read its README.Debian |
| 19:31.48 | alechiko | dragonfly: thats a good solution, but if it's something that interferes with the boot sequence, then if it doesnt boot, i'll need to use a livecd, mount the partitions etc.. pain in the ass |
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| 19:32.08 | XThief | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free would this be for debian 4 ? |
| 19:32.22 | babilen | alechiko: And that guide gives some horrible advice |
| 19:32.33 | alechiko | :x |
| 19:32.42 | babilen | anyway ... cya later |
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| 19:34.06 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: Actually, that could be considered Debian 7. |
| 19:34.27 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: Although unstable isn't really a release, it's a testing pool. |
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| 19:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: Also, it's preferred that you use the country code, ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 19:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: That provides better load distribution. |
| 19:36.47 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: oh i see |
| 19:37.12 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: i need some packages that are in that repositorie, but i have debian 4... |
| 19:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: mixing the two could be very hazardous to your system. |
| 19:37.49 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: Is there a reason you need to stick with 4 and not upgrade to 5? |
| 19:37.52 | dragonfly | first, XThief, you *might* want to consider upgrading -- 4 is quite old |
| 19:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | 5 has backports. |
| 19:38.10 | XThief | the system came with debian 4... |
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| 19:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | !etch->lenny |
| 19:38.24 | dragonfly | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:38.26 | XThief | there is no reason to stick with 4 |
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| 19:38.46 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: etch -> lenny |
| 19:38.46 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:38.54 | XThief | ok! |
| 19:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 19:38.54 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 19:39.00 | XThief | thank you |
| 19:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: It is important to update etch before you upgrade. |
| 19:39.26 | zoulan | hey there, i've "updated" my kernel recently following some instructions found on the net, but now i'm using a backported kernel, accidentially (2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 19:39.33 | zoulan | , shame on me!) |
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| 19:39.46 | babilen | alechiko: Ok, just short: install splashy (aptitude install splashy) and edit /etc/default/grub and add "splash" before "quiet" in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 19:39.54 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: ok, thank you for the tips :D |
| 19:39.57 | zoulan | could you help me to switch to the latest non-backportet kernel? |
| 19:40.24 | babilen | alechiko: run "update-grub" afterwards and that should be it |
| 19:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: Did you remove it? |
| 19:40.58 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: ? |
| 19:41.53 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: i don't know exactly which commands i used (was a long line of pipes etc.) and now i'm using a bpo kernel which causes trouble with some applications using kernel modules |
| 19:41.59 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: then after i upgrade, backports would better than using that repositorie i pasted before? |
| 19:42.02 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: Installing the backports kernel doesn't usually remove the stock kernel, you should have it as a boot option. Change grub's menu.list to default to it. |
| 19:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: Yes, backports have been compiled to work non-destructively with lenny. |
| 19:42.40 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: oh, i think i have removed the old kernel, badly, how to see wheter this is true? |
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| 19:42.50 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks! |
| 19:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: You can add individual packages from backports, generally you don't install everything from there. |
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| 19:43.26 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: dpkg -l "linux*" |
| 19:43.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:43.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc5-686 (2.6.37~rc5-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-28); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-28~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 19:45.14 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: that's the output |
| 19:45.15 | zoulan | http://nopaste.info/12190d1694.html |
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| 19:46.42 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: sorry to bother you. I upgraded using aptitude dist-upgrade, and rebooted, but typing cat /proc/version still saying that i have debian 4 running, what could be? |
| 19:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | You sure that's dpkg -l "linux*" - with quotes and asterisk? |
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| 19:49.39 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: That's fine, you've upgraded etch to the latest packages. |
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| 19:49.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell XThief about etch->lenny |
| 19:50.05 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: sry, didn't see the asterisk, so that's the ouptu: http://pastebin.com/YCVMd1QD what to do with that? |
| 19:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | XThief: You have a query from dpkg with the next steps listed. |
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| 19:50.51 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: oh ok, sorry, didnt understood first time |
| 19:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: Sorry, mine is more terse for some reason. |
| 19:51.46 | mambers | i installed gobjc with aptitude, and it installed everything in /usr/lib/gcc/... but its not making the links to /usr/bin and /usr/include, how can i figure out why its not doing it |
| 19:51.56 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: try aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 19:52.58 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: that will update/change the kernel ? |
| 19:53.17 | Bartzy | ok, this gonna sound stupid but I did rm -rf on my home dir |
| 19:53.22 | Bartzy | Anyway to recover the data ? |
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| 19:54.14 | XThief | !tellme backports |
| 19:54.14 | bloodcry | restore from backup :) |
| 19:54.32 | XThief | !tell xthief about backports |
| 19:54.59 | babilen | XThief: /msg dpkg TOPIC |
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| 19:55.19 | Bartzy | I don't have a backup of my entire home dir |
| 19:55.20 | babilen | Bartzy: not really |
| 19:55.23 | Bartzy | There's really no way ? |
| 19:55.24 | Bartzy | omg.. |
| 19:55.39 | bloodcry | perfect time to start :) |
| 19:55.48 | Bartzy | But can I continue like this ? |
| 19:56.04 | Bartzy | I mean a lot of stuff got deleted.. my data is backed up, but all the '.' folders... |
| 19:56.06 | babilen | There are some tools (like photorec) but removing files on linux is hard/impossible to undo |
| 19:56.23 | Bartzy | only some left.. the machine is still working though (gnome).. I can still save it, or I must reinstall ? |
| 19:57.04 | babilen | Bartzy: You definitely don't have to reinstall if all you did was nuking your home_dir -- all programs will work with their default configuration now |
| 19:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Usually the dotfiles are configuration files. The programs should recreate them as if you were a new user, but you will have lost settings, bookmarks, addresses and mail. |
| 19:57.28 | dragonfly | Bartzy, long as you have your data, you're good |
| 19:57.30 | Bartzy | ok, they'll just create it from scratch ? I can live with that... my data IS backedup... |
| 19:57.48 | Bartzy | I have my mail backed up.. bookmarks too |
| 19:58.10 | Bartzy | Can you get more stupid than that ? |
| 19:58.14 | Bartzy | maybe rm -rf / |
| 19:58.14 | dragonfly | Bartzy, ok, then just kill gnome, put your data back in your home directory, restart gnome and start working :) |
| 19:58.22 | Bartzy | why kill gnome ? |
| 19:58.35 | babilen | Bartzy: So it reinitialises its configuration files |
| 19:58.40 | dragonfly | so that it puts a new config file in your home directory when it restarts |
| 19:58.50 | Bartzy | what about all the data that's left in my home dir ? I stopped the rm in the middle, there is .gnome2/ and .google/ and some more stuff there... |
| 19:59.21 | dragonfly | if you got to this point Bartzy, you may as well continue removing the rest -- unless there is something in there you want to save |
| 19:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Gnome will have files open, that's why you want to shut it down. |
| 19:59.47 | Bartzy | So it's better to actually complete the rm ? |
| 20:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: And yes, I did a find ... delete command that wiped out a multi-client webserver's www files. |
| 20:00.35 | pipeline | you can safely delete open files on UNIX |
| 20:00.36 | pipeline | no big deal |
| 20:00.49 | pipeline | open files that hvae been deleted stay open, they just don't have records on the filesystem anymore |
| 20:01.30 | Bartzy | So it is better to actually remove the rm ? |
| 20:01.34 | Bartzy | sorry |
| 20:01.35 | Bartzy | complete the rm * |
| 20:02.10 | dragonfly | i don't know if it would be "better" but it certainly won't be worse |
| 20:02.21 | dragonfly | ...unless you have something in there you want to save yet |
| 20:02.54 | dragonfly | pipeline, this is true...but he will need to restart gnome to regenerate a new config :) |
| 20:02.56 | babilen | Bartzy: I would move the rest of you home dir somewhere else, start over and selectively move files/directories to the new one |
| 20:03.10 | Bartzy | I also have .gconf/ dir backed up , from yesterday.. it would be a good idea to restore it ? |
| 20:03.43 | Bartzy | Because it would be great if gnome stayed the way it was yesterday... |
| 20:03.53 | pipeline | the other guys are really right, Bartzy |
| 20:03.55 | qwd | what's the point of completing the rm? i don't see it. |
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| 20:04.09 | pipeline | Bartzy: 1. shut down gnome 2. Delete the stuff you don't want. 3. Restore the backups you have. 4. Start gnome again. |
| 20:04.22 | Bartzy | pipeline: And restore .gconf/ too, if I have it ? |
| 20:04.33 | Bartzy | that way gnome will stay the way it looks and feels ? |
| 20:04.35 | pipeline | Bartzy: the reason you want gnome shut down first is so that it doesn't overwrite the configs you just restored when it shuts down |
| 20:04.44 | Bartzy | yeah I got it |
| 20:04.45 | pipeline | Bartzy: gconf stores most settings, yes. Not all, though. |
| 20:04.51 | Bartzy | What it doesn't store ? |
| 20:05.03 | qwd | he might as well keep what he managed to save. that's like telling him to cut off his leg since he already lost his foot anyway. |
| 20:05.04 | pipeline | Bartzy: beats me, I'm not a gnome guy. There's a ~/.gnome2 directory, dunno what it's for. |
| 20:05.20 | Bartzy | my home directory can be clean, meaning no-file-at-all, and everything will work ? |
| 20:05.23 | pipeline | qwd: if he has a backup of gconf, he might as well delete 100% of ~/.gconf. Nothing to win by keeping parts. |
| 20:05.32 | pipeline | Bartzy: sure. You just will have default settings because you have no preferences. |
| 20:05.38 | Bartzy | ok |
| 20:05.43 | Bartzy | well so it's not as bad as I thought |
| 20:05.58 | pipeline | Bartzy: only things pertaining to you and your preferences are stored in the dotfiles in your home directory. |
| 20:06.01 | Bartzy | I have backups of all my data and .mozilla, .icedove, .gconf and my bashrc and stuff , all from yesterday. |
| 20:06.06 | pipeline | Bartzy: there you go then |
| 20:06.07 | qwd | ah well if everything's backed up then don't even worry about it. let this be a lesson to everyone. backups are good :) |
| 20:06.21 | Bartzy | omg I moved to this laptop a week ago |
| 20:06.43 | Bartzy | Said: 'Well.. lets organize stuff... I have a little time to burn so I'll set up daily backups' |
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| 20:09.22 | Bartzy | Thanks a lot for your help guys.. |
| 20:11.04 | Bartzy | Last question about this: I'll be able to restore from backup only tomorrow. Better to shutdown the laptop until then ? |
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| 20:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | No harm in playing with it, you can always remove anything that's updated today. |
| 20:15.52 | lapsusbrutus | PLease help me understand something guys: http://kuparinen.org/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/uml.html A part of a howto contains a little script.. and I have no idea what to do with it.. Starts on this line: sed -i '/ACTIVE_CONSOLES/s/.-./1-2/' /etc/default/console-setup.. Just running it in terminal doenst work. |
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| 20:16.46 | Bartzy | ok, thanks. |
| 20:16.53 | Bartzy | fewh... :p |
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| 20:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 20:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl-wifi |
| 20:17.24 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 20:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | And totally the wrong tab, sorry. |
| 20:17.44 | tdn | How do I make my CPU frequency scale down from command line? |
| 20:18.10 | JPT | tdn: maybe cpufreqd can help with that |
| 20:18.15 | JPT | it's just a tool i know the name of |
| 20:19.22 | tdn | JPT, ok. |
| 20:19.33 | tdn | I thought I could cat something into /proc or something like that. |
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| 20:20.54 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: ok, i did sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.26-686, what to do now? |
| 20:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: What were the results? |
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| 20:23.25 | zoulan | judd: that's it: http://pastebin.com/c59QXyEr |
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| 20:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: It's strange that your output is so different than mine. Try aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:25.57 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: You can have multiple kernels installed. |
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| 20:26.26 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: Next time do dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ii |
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| 20:30.26 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.com/F9hHDDUb |
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| 20:34.13 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: oh, sorry, now you've got a cool overview of software on this system, but that was the wrong output, here is the right one: http://pastebin.com/DxS1Uufe |
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| 20:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: Ok, you have it installed now. It should be offered in the boot menu. I would recommend booting to it to make sure nothing goes wrong, then if everything is OK making it the default. |
| 20:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: (Next time do dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ii) |
| 20:37.10 | babilen | recommends dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii |
| 20:37.17 | zoulan | jhutchins_lt: hopefully i won't need a next time :), anyway, i will reboot now and come back to tell you the result, thx so far! |
| 20:37.22 | dimir | I suggest 'linux-image*' (single quotes) |
| 20:37.25 | dimir | suggests |
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| 20:38.24 | dimir | or actually not. :-D |
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| 20:38.41 | babilen | dimir: huh? |
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| 20:39.07 | dimir | Seems it works also with double quotes. And all these years I was sure shells parses it if you have matching file in current dir. :-D |
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| 20:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | dimir: The only reason to quote the package spec is in case you have something in the current directory that begins with that string - which I sometimes do. |
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| 20:40.16 | dimir | jhutchins_lt: that's what I thought. |
| 20:40.26 | dimir | jhutchins_lt: until I just tried that: |
| 20:40.45 | dimir | $ touch linux-image-foo |
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| 20:40.55 | dimir | $ dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii |
| 20:40.55 | dimir | ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.32+28 Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 20:40.58 | dimir | ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-18 Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs |
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| 20:44.37 | zoulan | jhutchins: well, the 26 kernel is now there and i can boot from it, but it won't offer all the cool features like lkm and somehow X is also messed up... |
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| 20:46.01 | mambers | why isntpwd |
| 20:46.15 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: You may have ended up with an upgraded xorg that requres kms, but you can enable that in .26 through the modules. |
| 20:46.24 | jhutchins_lt | zoulan: (In .32 it's compiled in) |
| 20:46.48 | mambers | why isnt gobcj++ installing cc1obj, it seems to be putting it in /usr/lib/gcc/... but not making a link to /usr/bin |
| 20:46.55 | mambers | is there any way to find out why |
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| 20:47.17 | zoulan | so maybe linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 could be a solution, too? |
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| 20:48.42 | zoulan | and what about the package linux-image-2.6-585? |
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| 20:51.08 | cafuego | These packages have descriptions, read them. |
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| 20:52.06 | xs | hello, i cannot hear any sound |
| 20:52.12 | xs | it's not muted |
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| 20:53.14 | zoulan | ah, ok, basically my question should have been: when i install ...-2.6.32-5-686, i will be able to run it just like the other ones, right, 5 just indicates the patches? |
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| 20:54.15 | daemonkeeper | Yes, that is the Debian build version. |
| 20:54.33 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 20:54.48 | abrotman | that's the ABI version .. has nothing to do with the package version |
| 20:55.09 | daemonkeeper | Uhm, right. |
| 20:55.20 | abrotman | !kernel abi |
| 20:55.20 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. |
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| 20:56.03 | Arrowmaster | does the trunk abi still mess with how grub sorts them? |
| 20:56.48 | babilen | Arrowmaster: I am not aware of any changes for -trunk- packages |
| 20:57.55 | Arrowmaster | no there was an issue when a -trunk- got into testing that when a -1- was released and installed grub put the -trunk- first in the order so it didnt automatically reboot into the newer kernel |
| 20:59.28 | ser | i have a system with lot of virtual servers and filesystems. how can i check if a particular (xfs) filesystem is mounted? imho xfs_info does not provide this information |
| 20:59.46 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: well, if it does, the person running it should be smart enough to figure out what is going on |
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| 21:00.10 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib, version_test_gt function from squeeze suggests it's fixed |
| 21:00.31 | babilen | Arrowmaster: Yes, I was referring to that and I am not aware of any patches that change this behaviour (that does not mean that it has *not* changed though) |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | jelly says it changed! |
| 21:01.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: I carefully used weasel words to absolve myself from any such implication. |
| 21:01.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:01.45 | abrotman | you said it changed, not that it fixed it! |
| 21:03.07 | babilen | I'll look at the bts -- I haven't monitored the situation, but ... well let's have a look :) |
| 21:03.52 | jelly-home | aptitude changelog grub-common<Enter>/trunk<Enter> |
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| 21:05.52 | zoulan | hey, what should that tell me / how to fix this? Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.32-5-686 cannot be found at |
| 21:05.55 | zoulan | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source. |
| 21:06.25 | zoulan | uname -r gives me 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:06.45 | jelly-home | zoulan: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 package isn't installed |
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| 21:06.49 | Arrowmaster | install linux-headers-2.6 |
| 21:07.10 | jelly-home | !wayttd zoulan |
| 21:07.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zoulan? |
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| 21:08.14 | simonrvn | jelly-home: * Compare -trunk kernels earlier than numeric ABIs (closes: #568160). |
| 21:08.24 | jelly-home | simonrvn: you did it! |
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| 21:08.28 | jelly-home | !cookie simonrvn |
| 21:08.39 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:08.39 | babilen | wtf |
| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | SO not what I wanted it to do |
| 21:08.48 | Arrowmaster | you broke it! |
| 21:08.51 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 21:08.52 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds qotd59... abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | that would be better if it had the original person in front of that .. /me thinks it was ricky_clarkson |
| 21:09.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: you going to parents for xmas? <g> |
| 21:09.19 | babilen | haha |
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| 21:10.50 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 21:10.51 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html . |
| 21:11.19 | jelly-home | Arsion was close. |
| 21:11.35 | jelly-home | er... off by 1 year |
| 21:12.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: only one left :( |
| 21:13.12 | jelly-home | zoulan: I'm asking because there might be slightly more Debian-appropriate ways to build whatever module you're trying to build |
| 21:14.02 | zoulan | jelly-home: what do you want to know? |
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| 21:14.33 | jelly-home | What Are You |
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| 21:14.38 | jelly-home | Tryin To Do, sorry |
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| 21:15.20 | abrotman | I Am A Bot |
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| 21:16.56 | jelly-home | ?Does Not Compute |
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| 21:28.58 | keith80403 | What's the easiest way to find totally new packages between releases of Debian? E.g. package "foo" didn't exists in Etch but does in Lenny ? |
| 21:29.13 | keith80403 | s/exists/exist/ |
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| 21:32.25 | abrotman | do a diff on the Packages files ? |
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| 21:34.45 | jelly-home | probably Sources |
| 21:35.22 | jelly-home | keith80403: do you care if there's now a libfoo10 where libfoo8 used to live? |
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| 21:37.27 | keith80403 | If they both relate to "foo" then probably yes. Suppose I want to see if any new game packages exist in Lenny that didn't exist in Etch. |
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| 21:55.17 | do0ob | hm... version requests? why? |
| 21:55.28 | do0ob | wonders if someone is up to something |
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| 21:57.50 | sphenxes | How can I reinstall GRUB on debian lenny? (I have just lost my windows system on grub list) |
| 21:57.53 | keith80403 | Looks like comparing packages.gz should do it. Have to look on the mirrors to see what directory it is in for each release. |
| 21:58.20 | bla | Is it possible to install pyside packages from SID in the testing release? |
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| 21:59.17 | XThief | jhutchins_lt: are you there? |
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| 22:10.33 | XThief | I have debian in another language, is it easy to change it to english? |
| 22:11.23 | jelly-home | XThief: yes |
| 22:11.25 | jelly-home | !locales |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 22:11.46 | XThief | jelly-home: thank you :) |
| 22:12.26 | jelly-home | XThief: if you're logging in with a graphical login manager (gdm or kdm...) there's often a way to choose locale right there, before logging in |
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| 22:19.59 | Chris___ | can I have multiple ListenAddress lines in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 22:20.11 | Chris___ | (one for a v4 address, one for a v6 address) |
| 22:20.15 | pythoned | Hi, how do you switch to a virtual console? |
| 22:20.39 | pythoned | I'm trying to install my ati drivers. |
| 22:22.24 | Chris___ | nevermind, got it! |
| 22:22.38 | abrotman | pythoned: ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 22:22.45 | abrotman | erm, alt-f2 |
| 22:23.38 | pythoned | doesn't work...by the way i'm on a laptop..dell inspiron. |
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| 22:23.48 | abrotman | "doesn't work" isn't descriptive |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | which OS are you on? |
| 22:24.04 | pythoned | debian squeeze |
| 22:24.29 | pythoned | Wireless turns on and off by pressing those keys |
| 22:24.39 | abrotman | Alt, not Fn |
| 22:24.53 | abrotman | or try Alt-F1 or Alt-F3 .. anything from F1 to F6 |
| 22:24.54 | pythoned | Tried invoke-rc.d gdm stop, but does't work either. |
| 22:25.12 | jelly-home | pythoned: how does it fail to work? |
| 22:26.06 | pythoned | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/gdm not found, |
| 22:27.10 | jelly-home | pythoned: hah, so you don't have gdm installed. chvt 1 (as root) |
| 22:27.19 | abrotman | is it gdm3 perhaps? |
| 22:27.23 | jelly-home | or the init script has changed name |
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| 22:50.22 | wash | I had a disk failure the other day, most of my fs is fine, but my I lost my /var/lib/dpkg and my /var/backups. I was able to find my status file in /lost+found, but now I need to repopulate /var/lib/dpkg/info and I'm not sure how best to do this. |
| 22:50.50 | wash | probably about 80% of my installed packages are in my apt cache |
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| 22:54.29 | zoulan | hey, somehow my alsa / sound does not seem to work anymore, as far as i can remember i've done an alsa reload or something because i couldn't hear sound anymore (only through headphones), but now even through the headphones there is no sound anymore, do you know a possible reason for that - or even a quick fix? |
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| 22:54.49 | zoulan | alsamixer is up and running, btw |
| 22:55.43 | fas3r | i try to enable db monitor for openldap but i go this msg: "bdb_db_open: warning - no DB_CONFIG file found in directory /usr/local/openldap/var/openldap-data: (14)." .. but i have a DB_CONFIG in this folder .. i dont understand .. |
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| 22:56.51 | sedulous | is it true that everything you write to /dev/null gets uploaded to microsoft? |
| 22:57.32 | zoulan | sedulous: :) |
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| 23:02.14 | Boohemian | where do i save config files for vim's syntax highlighting that all users can access in debian lenny? /usr/local/share/vim ? or do i need to do it for each /home/* account? |
| 23:05.01 | acemi | Boohemian: see /etc/vim/vimrc the last part |
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| 23:06.53 | pythoned | Sorry my internet went down. I managed to get into virtual console, stop gdm, create an xorg conf file, but after restart my file manager window still run like I have no drivers installed. Any suggestions? |
| 23:07.05 | acemi | zoulan: did you initialize alsa? alsactl init |
| 23:07.48 | pythoned | I'm running an ati hd 4330. Used the guide on debian wiki and I also installed firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 23:07.49 | wash | zoulan: what's your hardware? |
| 23:07.57 | jordanm | pythoned: what video card and what version of debian? |
| 23:07.59 | Boohemian | acemi: same for nano? |
| 23:08.39 | pythoned | jordanm: It's a dell inspiron 1545 with an ati hd4330, running on squeeze, the system is i386 and the kernel is amd64. |
| 23:08.51 | acemi | Boohemian: no idea for nano |
| 23:08.58 | pythoned | jordanm: I guess the debian installer selected the amd64 automatically(I have 4gb of ram). |
| 23:09.13 | acemi | Boohemian: but the config files are in /etc |
| 23:09.16 | wash | pythoned: uh |
| 23:09.41 | wash | If an x86_64 kernel is working, your system is x86_64 |
| 23:09.51 | jordanm | Boohemian: /etc/nanorc |
| 23:10.41 | pythoned | wash: Then howcome if I do uname -r I get amd64 and dpkg --print-architecture says i386? |
| 23:10.43 | wash | An x86-64 kernel won't boot on an x86 machine without the 64bit extensions. |
| 23:10.52 | jordanm | pythoned: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:10.58 | wash | pythoned: dpkg is wrong, uname is right. |
| 23:11.00 | pythoned | jordanm: Ok |
| 23:11.11 | jelly-home | !lm |
| 23:11.12 | dpkg | somebody said lm was "long mode": grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:11.26 | wash | uname is compiled into the kernel |
| 23:11.40 | Boohemian | acemi: i checked, it says 'source /etc/vim/vimrc.local' - i don't have that file. do i create it, and place every vim syntax file into vimrc.local? |
| 23:11.40 | OpenTokix | pythoned: Maybe you used a multi-arch installer, then you will get 32bit userland and 64bit kernel. |
| 23:11.46 | jordanm | you can run an amd64 kernel with i386 userspace |
| 23:12.24 | jelly-home | and indeed that's what squeeze installer seems to do |
| 23:12.33 | jelly-home | (the i386 arch installer) |
| 23:12.46 | wash | right, but to run the x86_64 kernel, your chip needs the x86 64bit extensions. |
| 23:12.46 | acemi | Boohemian: yes, if you want it to be valid for all users |
| 23:12.54 | jelly-home | right |
| 23:13.00 | macrobat | do i need some kinf |
| 23:13.01 | pythoned | jordanm: how do I post that log? |
| 23:13.06 | Boohemian | acemi: right now i have my color schemes in ~/.vim/colors/* - so i should place those individual .vim files into /etc/vim/vimrc.local? |
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| 23:13.20 | Boohemian | acemi: how do i separate between a new .vim file inside vimrc.local? just a new line? |
| 23:13.46 | macrobat | do i need some kind of lvm in initram to boot / on lvm? |
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| 23:14.12 | jordanm | !tell pythoned about paste |
| 23:14.21 | OpenTokix | macrobat: just but a small /boot outside the lvm |
| 23:14.42 | OpenTokix | macrobat: my disks are usually: ramsize swap, /boot 256M, rest one huge vg |
| 23:14.44 | acemi | Boohemian: i don't understand your last message |
| 23:14.44 | macrobat | that's what i'm using, OpenTokix |
| 23:15.03 | wash | Anyone know the fastest way to rebuild the dpkg database, given the valid /var/lib/dpkg/status file? |
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| 23:15.34 | Boohemian | acemi: i have various vim files, xoria256.vim and nginx.vim - how do i place both of them in one, so that vim knows that one script is for nginx, and the other xoria256, etc for php, perl, etc |
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| 23:16.41 | pythoned | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/D3E3auQs |
| 23:16.56 | acemi | Boohemian: why you don't edit only your local configs? ~/.vimrc and ~/.vim |
| 23:16.59 | babilen | Boohemian: wouldn't the filetype take care of that? |
| 23:17.23 | Boohemian | babilen: does vim already have that built in for all major filetypes? |
| 23:17.30 | Boohemian | acemi: because i have 4 relevant users on this machine |
| 23:18.03 | pythoned | jordanm: Is it something wrong with my xorg conf? |
| 23:18.11 | babilen | Boohemian: Yes -- and you can easily define different configuration for filetypes. Is a filetype is not recognised correctly you can add a vim modeline that declares it. |
| 23:18.39 | jordanm | pythoned: no, there was a problem loading the fglrx module |
| 23:18.51 | jordanm | pythoned: are you using the debian packages for fglrx? |
| 23:18.58 | pythoned | jordanm: Yes |
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| 23:19.08 | pythoned | jordanm: I followed the debian wiki guide. |
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| 23:20.26 | pythoned | jordanm: And what can I do to fix this? |
| 23:20.37 | babilen | Boohemian: E.g. "autocmd FileType python set foldmethod=indent" -- you certainly only want this on systems that support autocmd ( if has("autocmd") ) and so on ... |
| 23:21.32 | jordanm | pythoned: show the output of apt-cache fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 23:21.36 | babilen | Boohemian: And I would rather edit ~/.vimrc and, probably, change /etc/skel/ for new users. That feels much saner than editing the system defaults |
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| 23:21.47 | jordanm | pythoned: err that should be apt-cache policy |
| 23:22.28 | pythoned | jordanm: Output is: invalid operation fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 23:22.49 | babilen | pythoned: make that "apt-cache policy fglrx-modules-dkms" |
| 23:22.54 | babilen | (probably) |
| 23:22.59 | jordanm | yes |
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| 23:23.46 | pythoned | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/cHtpKZDs |
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| 23:25.50 | jordanm | pythoned: dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 23:27.03 | pythoned | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/ExZi3Tae |
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| 23:29.12 | pythoned | jordanm: What am I not doing correctly? |
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| 23:30.28 | jordanm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602779 ? |
| 23:31.45 | jordanm | !radeon |
| 23:31.46 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. |
| 23:32.14 | pythoned | jordanm: So what do I do in this case? |
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| 23:33.00 | pythoned | jordanm: I can't go for open source drivers because they have very poor 3d acceleration...which I need the most to play Heroes of newerth. |
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| 23:33.29 | jordanm | pythoned: install the i386-bigmem kernel |
| 23:33.44 | pythoned | jordanm: How do I do that? |
| 23:34.06 | ghoti | Anybody using Sawmill, the log analyzer (sawmill.net), in Debian? They provide Linux binaries for various RedHat versions, and an obfuscated source version that complains that I don't have a C compiler. Not sure how to proceed. |
| 23:34.21 | jordanm | pythoned: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 23:34.50 | babilen | pythoned: Have you tried the radeon drivers? They work pretty well (for me at least YYMV) -- not saying that fglrx shouldn't be an option though |
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| 23:35.46 | jordanm | pythoned: the bug report indicates its an amd64 specific problem |
| 23:36.09 | pythoned | jordanm: It says It can't find linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 23:36.37 | pythoned | jordanm: I wish debian installer wouldn't automatically select the kernel and let me choose. |
| 23:36.56 | pythoned | babilen: I tried, the game doesn't even start with those drivers. |
| 23:37.15 | jordanm | pythoned: did you install the required firmware for 3d? |
| 23:37.31 | pythoned | jordanm: firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 23:37.42 | jordanm | !radeon firmware |
| 23:37.42 | dpkg | In Squeeze, binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 23:37.56 | pythoned | jordanm: I did... |
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| 23:39.05 | jordanm | well, that package is in squeeze |
| 23:39.20 | babilen | pythoned: Ok, pity. |
| 23:40.01 | babilen | pythoned: and you also installed libgl1-mesa-dri, didn't you? |
| 23:40.02 | pythoned | babilen: I'll try bigmem and see if it works |
| 23:40.06 | babilen | sure |
| 23:40.20 | pythoned | babilen: That one I didn't installed |
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| 23:40.41 | pythoned | jordanm: When I will restart, do I have to do other modifications? |
| 23:41.02 | pythoned | dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: fglrx (10-9)...failed. |
| 23:41.12 | pythoned | Ohh this is not good |
| 23:41.30 | jordanm | I think you will need to boot to it before building the module |
| 23:41.49 | jordanm | dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 23:41.58 | pythoned | Ok thanks so much for helping me |
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| 23:48.11 | hardcode | is there an easy way to soft reboot? |
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| 23:48.45 | babilen | hardcode: What do you mean? |
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| 23:49.12 | hardcode | as in flush the old kernel and take in the new kernel without a hardware reset |
| 23:49.20 | randyw | How can I disable my webcam? Or e.g. make it impossible to run the kernel access to the device? |
| 23:49.35 | f00li5h | I'm wondering if not keeping the packaged apache configs, with all the ${APACHE_LOCK_DIR} crap is going to break anything... |
| 23:49.48 | f00li5h | randyw: unplug it. |
| 23:49.59 | randyw | flypiper: it's integrated. |
| 23:50.07 | babilen | hardcode: Look into kexec |
| 23:51.07 | babilen | hardcode: But I don't think that it is working already -- you might want to read https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec.html good luck, and let me know when it is working |
| 23:51.12 | randyw | f00li5h: any idea in that case? When I modprobe -r <video driver> I get that it is in use. |
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| 23:51.26 | randyw | (which is the most stupid error message one can think of) |
| 23:51.36 | babilen | randyw: blacklist the module |
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| 23:51.46 | randyw | Instead it should have said "application XYZ is using module BLAH DIE BLAH" |
| 23:52.00 | randyw | Do you want to kill this process now? |
| 23:52.19 | randyw | Or "do you want to deny access to this device by all applications?" |
| 23:52.30 | randyw | I mean, that's not like it's the hardest thing in the world, is it? |
| 23:52.35 | hardcode | babilen: thanks; yeah.. actually do you have a better suggestion to man pages? have they made a better consolidation of open source docs yet .. im all over the place in linux info man www is almost easier |
| 23:52.44 | randyw | babilen: that only works if I reboot. |
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| 23:53.30 | randyw | Why can't I just have a machine which does what I tell it to do? |
| 23:53.42 | randyw | If I want it to remove the module, it should. |
| 23:53.53 | randyw | It should not tell me that I cannot do certain things. |
| 23:54.20 | randyw | Or am I the only one who thinks like that? |
| 23:54.48 | babilen | hardcode: you mean an alternative to man pages |
| 23:54.50 | babilen | ? |
| 23:55.18 | randyw | hardcode: you can read manpages also in your browser in Konqueror. |
| 23:55.26 | randyw | hardcode: or you can use the info system. |
| 23:55.36 | randyw | hardcode: both suck compared to Google, yes. |
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| 23:55.50 | jordanm | and in emacs! |
| 23:55.52 | randyw | Then again, almost everything sucks compared to them. |
| 23:56.07 | randyw | woman! |
| 23:56.07 | hardcode | man the old way i use te like.. just now.. switching to dvorak.. i havent .. i guess im destined to switch back to qwerty for coding as sys admin |
| 23:56.34 | randyw | If you don't understand what I said, it just means you don't know Emacs. |
| 23:57.11 | babilen | I already know Debian :) |
| 23:57.36 | babilen | hardcode: but what did you mwan? |
| 23:57.38 | hardcode | yeah.. everything broke for me but ogl.. but ogl doesnt use esc 3 and ctrl a something or ctrl x ctrl c.. ctrl should commands should be left handed so i can not have to resort to using my mouse(in my right hand) in kde to kill something i should be able to ctrl x ctrl c with my left hand |
| 23:57.39 | jordanm | woman is the browsable manpage viewer |
| 23:58.32 | hardcode | some are way to short some are to long.. im using normal searches in vi.. and vi isnt even vi anymore =( probably never was |
| 23:58.46 | babilen | !confuse hardcode |
| 23:58.46 | dpkg | No, those are their hamster tomorrow, hardcode? Pants of the Dictatorship of Micronesia with extra herring. |
| 23:59.18 | hardcode | i agree |
| 23:59.51 | hardcode | i may just code my own gui.. not sure what the best way to get dvorak working on x86 is yet |
