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| 00:05.57 | RenatoSilva | pfred1: define minty please |
| 00:06.21 | pfred1 | RenatoSilva http://www.linuxmint.com/ |
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| 00:07.16 | RenatoSilva | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minty ? |
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| 00:08.52 | RenatoSilva | how can something from a stupid tv show like OC get there in urban dict? bah |
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| 00:11.27 | ChrisBuchholz | Hi guys. I just wanted to hear about gnome-shell and debian. Will debian be a gnome-shell first-clazz citizen distro, or how will it work out? |
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| 00:11.52 | RenatoSilva | is the acl package useful for something? gtkorphan is reporting it |
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| 00:12.05 | stew | RenatoSilva: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 00:12.26 | RenatoSilva | stew: how is that a ubuntu question? |
| 00:13.02 | stew | RenatoSilva: we don't support ubuntu here, you are asking about your ubuntu install |
| 00:13.06 | stew | RenatoSilva: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 00:13.14 | RenatoSilva | stew: how is that a ubuntu question? |
| 00:13.17 | Bushmills | leans back and watches the conversation erupt |
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| 00:14.09 | stew | RenatoSilva: i'll PM you instead |
| 00:15.41 | RenatoSilva | stew: why PM? how not having debian installed is related to not being worth learning? |
| 00:16.01 | stew | RenatoSilva: becuase you are off-topic in here |
| 00:16.35 | RenatoSilva | stew: how is the question off-topic, isn't it part of official debian repos? |
| 00:16.40 | RenatoSilva | it = the acl package |
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| 00:16.59 | stew | RenatoSilva: this channel is for end-user support of debian. if you are not an end-user in debian and are asking questions about your ubuntu install, I don't see how this is at all debian related |
| 00:17.03 | RenatoSilva | is the acl package useful for something? gtkorphan is reporting it. I don't see the offtopic here |
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| 00:18.51 | jelly-home | RenatoSilva: you're asking about issues in your Ubuntu 10.10 system. We can't support it here; the answers given here use assumptions that might not apply to ubuntu or anything that's not strictly Debian. Ask in ##linux or #ubuntu. |
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| 00:19.12 | RenatoSilva | funny, me and the other guy had some offtopic conversation for quite some minutes, and you were pretty quiet on it |
| 00:19.33 | atoi | I find it a bit disconcerting that the only automation option I see for aptitude is "Assume that the answer to simple yes/no questions is 'yes'" |
| 00:19.34 | atoi | heh |
| 00:19.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | RenatoSilva: We try to be a bit pro-active about cross-distribution support because it has the potential to destroy the user's system. |
| 00:19.47 | EduardeCalibal | Two cases, two values... A classic. |
| 00:19.51 | stew | atoi: /msg dpkg preseeding |
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| 00:20.15 | RenatoSilva | "is the acl package useful for something? gtkorphan is reporting it". How one would guess this is an ubuntu question?? This doesn't make ANY sense |
| 00:20.31 | stew | atoi: err, you want /msg dpkg debconf-set-selections |
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| 00:20.43 | stew | RenatoSilva: we can continue this in PM |
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| 00:22.00 | juniorsa | Hi, is there a command to find out the devices associated with hard drives (hdxxx, sdxx) easily? |
| 00:22.04 | jelly-home | told him an hour ago over in ##linux that <jelly-home> RenatoSilva: #debian can only afford to give advice specific for Debian, and it might or might not apply well to derivatives. |
| 00:22.09 | atoi | stew, I see. Well, interesting. I just mean... like in Django admin commands, you can specify "--noinput" which means "Hey whatever command is being run, assume no one is going to talk to you." Which means that you can run these commands assured that the "safest possible default" will be chosen. Instead of "answer yes to everything... regardless of how safe or unsafe that is, or even what question it is." |
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| 00:23.27 | stew | atoi: there is the "noninteractive" debian frontend which you can set with the DEBIAN_FRONTEND variable or "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 00:23.49 | atoi | stew, ahh, cool. Intersting. |
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| 00:26.46 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... Is possible maximize a program using a command in the terminal? |
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| 00:29.13 | tharkun | juniorsa: fdisk -l should give you some info on that |
| 00:30.22 | juniorsa | tharkun: wow that was easy |
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| 00:31.05 | tharkun | usually |
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| 00:50.33 | major | is there a way to change the shell i use when i ssh my box to tmux? |
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| 00:52.25 | tharkun | major: the shell you run in your box is different from the one you runon the client |
| 00:52.52 | kefalo | major, yes in /etc/passwd |
| 00:53.10 | kefalo | major, on box... not your client machine |
| 00:53.17 | major | tharkun, yes |
| 00:53.24 | stew | major: chsh -s /path/to/shell |
| 00:53.57 | major | but if i change it on passwd i will change the shell when i login locally too |
| 00:54.04 | major | i only whant to change the shell for ssh |
| 00:54.53 | major | i guess i could make an script to launch the new shell if i notice the login comes from ssh, but how i do so? |
| 00:55.41 | kefalo | major, parse output of command "w" with "awk"? |
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| 00:56.38 | abrotman | major: did you look in man sshd ? see if there's a script it can run when you connect? |
| 00:56.40 | kefalo | that would be ducktape and bubblegum solution :D |
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| 00:56.51 | tharkun | major: IIRC you can edit ~/.ssh/environment to tailor how you want things to be runned |
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| 00:57.28 | abrotman | there's a .ssh/rc also |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | though those both run before your 'shell' |
| 00:57.40 | major | thanks, ill look that up ;D |
| 00:59.12 | stew | hmm, i'm not sure I understhand why "ssh -t localhost bash -l" doesn't get me a bash shell |
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| 01:01.41 | rafuch0 | is the debian web site down? |
| 01:02.07 | rafuch0 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 01:02.17 | rafuch0 | cant acces there |
| 01:02.18 | jetole | Does anyone know how I can view the ./configure options that are used to create a package by viewing a debian source package |
| 01:02.29 | stew | jetole: look at debian/rules |
| 01:02.35 | stew | rafuch0: wfm |
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| 01:02.42 | jetole | stew: thanks |
| 01:02.49 | jetole | stew: what does wfm mean anyways? |
| 01:02.57 | rafuch0 | yeah.... ¿?¿' |
| 01:02.58 | tomreyn | rafuch0: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 01:03.28 | stew | jetole: Works For Me |
| 01:03.54 | jetole | stew: ok. I don't see a prefix option in debian/rules and I know this package was not installed to /usr/local |
| 01:04.27 | jetole | although I do see includes |
| 01:05.19 | jetole | thanks again stew |
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| 01:07.20 | jetole | stew: do you know where I can find the defined paths? |
| 01:07.31 | stew | jetole: do you see DESTDIR? that could be used instead of prefix perhaps |
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| 01:08.18 | rafuch0 | well is wierd ,,, cant acces debian.org |
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| 01:08.34 | jetole | stew: I may but I see a lot of variable and a lot of includes on includes on includes and I'm getting very confused very quickly |
| 01:08.50 | jetole | rafuch0: I can |
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| 01:15.27 | Shadow` | yay, fixed 3d acceleration, now just see how to let it be hardware rendered instead of software |
| 01:15.55 | epsilon | .oO voodoo2 |
| 01:16.37 | rafuch0 | nop ... cant go into debian.org well fine i will go into ubuntu.org |
| 01:16.43 | rafuch0 | x ) |
| 01:16.54 | stew | rafuch0: does http://128.31.0.51/ work? |
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| 01:17.04 | stew | rafuch0: and http://206.12.19.7 ? |
| 01:17.26 | rafuch0 | Welcome to senfl! |
| 01:17.30 | epsilon | can't reach debian.org?! |
| 01:17.40 | stew | rafuch0: then i'm going to guess you have a dns problem |
| 01:17.45 | rafuch0 | Welcome to bellini! |
| 01:18.10 | rafuch0 | me or my ISP |
| 01:18.19 | epsilon | if you can't reach Debian, you have bigger problem than Ubuntu |
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| 01:18.48 | extor | Does squeeze have a zfs package already? |
| 01:19.16 | epsilon | dunno, ask packages.debian.org |
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| 01:19.53 | zizanie | Hey guys, just want to know what is the great difference between ubuntu and debian? Why somebody will install ubuntu over debian ? |
| 01:20.24 | tharkun | zizanie: wrong channel go to #ubuntu and you might get the answer you are looking for |
| 01:20.26 | epsilon | Ubuntu = Debian Unstable + broken packages |
| 01:21.05 | rafuch0 | umm.... but how i was minutes i go surfin www.debian.org |
| 01:21.27 | tharkun | rafuch0: dig debian.org +short |
| 01:21.41 | epsilon | www.debian.org != debian package mirrors |
| 01:22.06 | rafuch0 | 128.31.0.51 |
| 01:22.06 | rafuch0 | 206.12.19.7 |
| 01:22.41 | epsilon | what's your country? |
| 01:22.46 | rafuch0 | venezuela |
| 01:22.52 | epsilon | uff... |
| 01:23.58 | rafuch0 | ahh ok |
| 01:24.04 | rafuch0 | now i can .... |
| 01:24.12 | rafuch0 | weird,,,, |
| 01:24.30 | epsilon | rafuch0: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 01:24.40 | rafuch0 | is ok now i can enter the web |
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| 01:29.31 | tharkun | rafuch0: venezuela is trying to implement some website blocking. you might be one of the first inocent bystanders :( |
| 01:31.50 | dvs | tharkun: yeah, those Debian folks need blocking! ;-) |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | .vz has their own mirror IIRC |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | oh, not a d.o one, but they still have one |
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| 01:33.13 | acu_ | how do I reset all the logs from /var/log ? |
| 01:33.34 | acu_ | and how do I clean all temporary files |
| 01:33.34 | jetole | Is there anyone using debian testing / rolling release that can tell me which version of libvirt* they have |
| 01:33.48 | jetole | libvirt-bin I guess |
| 01:34.07 | stew | judd: versions libvirt-bin |
| 01:34.08 | judd | Package libvirt-bin on i386 -- etch-backports: 0.4.6-10~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.4.6-10+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.8.3-4~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.3-5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5; experimental: 0.8.6-1 |
| 01:34.10 | rafuch0 | tharkun: yeah that is what is been rumoring .... back to stone age ... |
| 01:35.33 | epsilon | tharkun: you have any source telling debian.org is blocked/filtered? |
| 01:35.52 | stew | its not, he can hit the webservers |
| 01:35.57 | jetole | stew: I want experimental? |
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| 01:36.08 | stew | jetole: no, you don't |
| 01:36.25 | jetole | which version applies to the debian-testing / roling release? |
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| 01:36.29 | stew | jetole: experimental is for broken packages that make fun of you while destroying your data |
| 01:36.35 | stew | jetole: currently squeeze is testing |
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| 01:36.49 | jetole | I see |
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| 01:37.24 | epsilon | jetole: whats in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:37.28 | epsilon | ? |
| 01:38.01 | jetole | epsilon: at the moment, ubuntu reference but I use a lot of machines (systems administrator) and it varies. |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | jetole: so how is this related to Debian ? |
| 01:38.16 | jetole | however I'm thinking of changing my desktop to ubuntu-testin |
| 01:38.19 | jetole | however I'm thinking of changing my desktop to ubuntu-testing |
| 01:38.20 | epsilon | can't help with ubuntu... |
| 01:38.30 | jetole | abrotman: debian-testing is a release from debian |
| 01:38.38 | jetole | epsilon: thats why I didn't ask |
| 01:38.52 | jetole | ubuntu would be off topic |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | this isn't #ubuntu, we don't know anything about ubuntu-testing |
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| 01:39.09 | jetole | abrotman: who asked about ubuntu-testing? |
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| 01:39.12 | dvs | they do testin? |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | you just did |
| 01:39.19 | jetole | abrotman: no I didn't |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | <jetole> however I'm thinking of changing my desktop to ubuntu-testing .. |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | you typed that .. i didn't |
| 01:39.30 | jetole | yes |
| 01:39.37 | jetole | abrotman: that wasn't a question |
| 01:39.53 | jetole | abrotman: read up |
| 01:39.58 | epsilon | ubuntu-testing is like... debian experimental-testing |
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| 01:39.59 | abrotman | i read the whole exchange, thanks |
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| 01:40.12 | jetole | abrotman: then stay on topic I guess |
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| 01:40.33 | abrotman | I'm not the one asking about ubuntu .. or whatever ubuntu-testing is .. it's certainly not Debian |
| 01:40.46 | jetole | abrotman: neither am I but your yelling at me for it |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:40.57 | jetole | no I didn't |
| 01:41.00 | abrotman | gives up .. apparently jetole doesn't speak english |
| 01:41.10 | jetole | I was just thinking the same thing about you |
| 01:41.14 | jetole | read up a couple more times |
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| 01:41.59 | stew | jetole: are you saying that you run ubuntu, but you are thinking of reinstalling to replace it with debian? |
| 01:42.13 | doughj3 | If a server is in this list: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html Shouldn't I be able to rsync to it? |
| 01:42.57 | jetole | stew: yes I said that but it wasn't a question I asked. I was curious which version of libvirt-bin is used on debian-testing. The only reason ubuntu ever came into the conversation was because someone asked me whats in my apt.conf |
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| 01:43.30 | jetole | I know the purpose of this room and I don't ask ubuntu questions in #debian |
| 01:43.35 | jetole | I ask those in #ubuntu |
| 01:43.59 | stew | doughj3: no, not necessarily rsync |
| 01:44.43 | doughj3 | I only want to mirror amd64 and i386 packages from the archive. Is there a simple way to do this besides a huge chain of --exclude in my rsync command? I was going to just rsync the ones listed that only had amd64/i386, but I can't connect to any through rsync. |
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| 01:44.55 | abrotman | jetole: packages.debian.org/libvirt .. that is an easy interface to see |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | doughj3: it might be easier to use a proxy like approx or apt-cacher |
| 01:45.32 | stew | doughj3: why not use apt-mirror? |
| 01:45.38 | jetole | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:45.39 | epsilon | <jetole> I was curious which version of libvirt-bin is used on debian-testing <-- packages.debian.org |
| 01:45.47 | doughj3 | stew: No clue. I'm very new to this and trying to learn while providing a service to my campus :] |
| 01:45.50 | jetole | epsilon: thank you |
| 01:45.57 | doughj3 | I was advised to use rsync. |
| 01:46.07 | doughj3 | Which I am currently using for the debian-cd mirror. |
| 01:46.18 | stew | doughj3: how are you going to know which packages you need to get out of the pool? |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | votes for approx! |
| 01:46.59 | doughj3 | stew: I don't know- i was hoping to save local space by only using i386 and amd64 packages. I see in the mirror list some mirrors do the same. |
| 01:47.06 | doughj3 | Do they do that through apt-mirror? |
| 01:47.12 | doughj3 | I was just going to use --excludes in my rsync command. |
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| 01:47.21 | epsilon | jetole: I'm using debian since years, but even I don't know which version a packge is using withoug packages.debian.org |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | doughj3: i'm still going with a proxy .. it'll download the package once, and then cache it for your users .. and you could use it for multiple arches and versions of Debian |
| 01:49.31 | jetole | epsilon: I have been using it for a long time myself as well and although I use packages.debian.org, I didn't realize their was an option for the testing release. All of my debian installs are on servers and the testing / rolling release is new to me (plus that's a desktop consideration) |
| 01:49.34 | doughj3 | abrotman: do you have the patience to explain more to me? :] Or perhaps there's a decent reference? |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | !approx |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | bleh |
| 01:50.04 | jetole | epsilon: so it's cool I learned something new. I have you, abrotman and stew to thank |
| 01:50.05 | stew | doughj3: you are going to try to --exclude packages by arch by matching stuff like *.ia64.deb ? |
| 01:50.19 | stew | doughj3: but for 13 or so different arches you are going to exclude? |
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| 01:50.31 | doughj3 | stew: that was my initial plan, then I was just going to rsync the one's that only had amd64/i386 but I couldnt connect to them. |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | doughj3: it's a proxy for apt .. your users point their sources.list at your proxy .. then each time someone requests a package, it will either use the cached package, or get it for them |
| 01:50.57 | stew | doughj3: you need arch:all as well and the source |
| 01:51.12 | jetole | I'm still looking to compile libvirt on a server in our office right now (VPN + SSH) but I'm having issues figuring out which prefixes I should use. |
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| 01:51.20 | doughj3 | abrotman: one reason I'd like to go with the full mirror (I think) is because a peer is doing some research on a new alternative to rsync, so I think he wanted lots of data. |
| 01:51.20 | jetole | ... a debian server |
| 01:51.42 | km | do i need execute permission in order to del file? |
| 01:51.57 | jetole | km: no |
| 01:52.14 | doughj3 | For example, this mirror only has amd64/i386: http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/ |
| 01:52.14 | km | what permission do i need to just delete file? |
| 01:52.19 | jetole | km: write |
| 01:52.20 | doughj3 | Which is what I'd also like :] |
| 01:52.31 | doughj3 | But I can't rsync to it :[ |
| 01:52.35 | jetole | km: well... wait that may be relavent to the directory |
| 01:52.36 | km | ok |
| 01:52.49 | jetole | km: lemme do some quick test |
| 01:53.15 | stew | doughj3: are you going to mirror all of stable/testing/unstable/experimental? |
| 01:53.47 | doughj3 | I dunno, what would you recommend? Sorry for my newbishness; again, just trying to learn a little bit while helping out the campus. |
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| 01:54.12 | jetole | km: you need write permissions on the directory the file is in |
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| 01:54.37 | jetole | km: if you have write on the file and not on the directory and want to truncate the file, run: |
| 01:54.41 | jetole | km: if you have write on the file and not on the directory and want to truncate the file, run: echo -n > file |
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| 01:55.31 | stew | doughj3: i'd recommend using apt-mirror if you intend on hosting an enitre mirror, but the suggestion of just setting up a cache is a good one |
| 01:55.35 | epsilon | jetole: wtf[tm] |
| 01:55.56 | doughj3 | stew: any tutorial/insight for apt-mirror? |
| 01:56.12 | stew | doughj3: unstable changes a lot, all the time, so mirroring it means you are going to download a lot of packages every day that nobody will use |
| 01:56.21 | jetole | epsilon: glad I could help. ;) |
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| 01:56.56 | jetole | stew: does unstable == testing? |
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| 01:56.59 | km | ok |
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| 01:57.09 | stew | doughj3: "man apt-mirror" is all the documentation that exists, afaik |
| 01:57.10 | epsilon | jetole: are you able to install debian stable from scratch? |
| 01:57.22 | wobblyonions | Hi guys, anyone here used Netflow at all on Debian? |
| 01:57.24 | yoshio | jetole, unstable = sid, testing = squeeze |
| 01:57.28 | stew | jetole: no, see http://debian.org/releases |
| 01:57.44 | epsilon | jetole: cause otherwise we can't help you with crappy ubunty hybrid system |
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| 01:58.09 | regenbogenfuesse | hi. I am trying to get my Radeon 9200 SE 's 2 VGA heads to work in a session "seperatly"... for example, in one monitor i want to watch SpongeBob in fullscreen using mplayer , and in the other monitor i want to do my homework. how do i set xorg.conf to do this task? pastes of xorg.conf and hwinfo --gfxcard : http://pastebin.com/GAMKJecP http://pastebin.com/t2s06bkM |
| 01:58.17 | zackmax | I see CD 1-6 on mirrors but no single DVD image |
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| 01:59.26 | abrotman | doughj3: the proxy really works well, especially if you can get lots of people to use it |
| 01:59.36 | stew | zackmax: the current release should be more like 30 cds, where exactly are you looking? |
| 01:59.56 | jetole | epsilon: I have installed debian many times from scratch. Who said anything about a hybrid system? I don't run ubuntu packages on debian servers. I don't run debian packages on my personal ubuntu machines and I haven't asked one question about ubuntu since I have been in here so while I respect that many of you old schoolers will know more about debian then me, you need to pull that stick out of your ass cause someone accidently said the u word outloud |
| 01:59.58 | zackmax | stew, I was looking in some US mirrors.. I ended up downloading the netinstall |
| 02:00.26 | stew | zackmax: do you have a url? |
| 02:00.28 | epsilon | zackmax: get netinstall cd and be happy - no need for dvd images |
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| 02:00.37 | abrotman | you were the one that siad it! |
| 02:00.43 | zackmax | epsilon, that's what I did |
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| 02:00.52 | zackmax | stew, I got to the mirror thru distrowatch.org |
| 02:01.03 | zackmax | let me see which one it was |
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| 02:01.58 | epsilon | jetole: I have no idea about ubuntu... if you have question about ubuntu, you have ask in their channels |
| 02:02.01 | zackmax | I was looking at the torrents list here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 02:02.07 | jetole | epsilon: I know |
| 02:02.12 | jetole | I KNOW! |
| 02:02.21 | zackmax | stew, you're right.. 30 cds lol |
| 02:02.31 | dvs | zackmax: for what version? |
| 02:02.40 | jelly-home | jetole: we know you know, ignore the keyword idiots |
| 02:02.50 | zackmax | 5.0.7 |
| 02:02.52 | jetole | jelly-home: I was just about to ask |
| 02:02.57 | jetole | is epsilon a bot? |
| 02:03.06 | epsilon | sure |
| 02:03.20 | stew | zackmax: go up a directory and you'll see dvd specific directories |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | jetole: you could also /ignore epsilon ? |
| 02:03.40 | zackmax | ohh lol thanks |
| 02:03.42 | jelly-home | jetole: I mean, cut it out. |
| 02:03.44 | zackmax | i feel stupid now |
| 02:03.50 | epsilon | ... beep ... I'm a bot ... a 286 CPU with 128KB RAM ... beep ... want ... to help ... debian ... isues ... |
| 02:03.52 | jetole | abrotman: true. abrotman is he a bot though? |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | jetole: no, move along |
| 02:04.01 | jetole | ok |
| 02:04.04 | jetole | understood |
| 02:04.40 | zackmax | 5 DVDs.. LoL |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | that's better |
| 02:05.05 | epsilon | zackmax: no f*** user is actually downloading the DVD images |
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| 02:05.35 | dvs | i do |
| 02:05.39 | stew | zackmax: the DVDs are really only intended for getting packages to a machine that cannot connect to a network |
| 02:06.01 | zackmax | stew, oh ok.. yeah i think i'll use the netinstall :D |
| 02:06.15 | epsilon | good boy |
| 02:06.22 | zackmax | thank you |
| 02:07.06 | jetole | ok. Does anyone by chance know if, if I compile libvirt using the default (and I know safer) prefix it comes with of /usr/local, will items like virt-install use the $PATH to find the proper version? I don't want to apt-get remove libvirt since I'm pretty sure other packages depend on it (though I have placed a hold on it) |
| 02:07.18 | epsilon | the default debian install is netinstall with minimum shell or desktop config, then the rest via mirrors |
| 02:07.44 | stew | jetole: wait, why not compile it into a debian pacakge so that apt knows about it? |
| 02:08.22 | epsilon | jetole: no debian packages will depend on your self-comiled versiuon |
| 02:08.34 | stew | sure they can |
| 02:08.57 | jetole | stew: well I have never created a package from scratch (though I have recompiled source packages a lot) so I don't know if it would be safe to just change the source tree in the source package and rebuild it and I don't know how to create one from scratch |
| 02:09.15 | jetole | I've tried to be polite but epsilon is getting the /ignore now |
| 02:09.16 | epsilon | I mean *require* your version and no any older one |
| 02:09.29 | jetole | wait... |
| 02:09.35 | epsilon | if youwant *shrugs* |
| 02:09.36 | jetole | I may have misunderstood you |
| 02:09.53 | jetole | epsilon: I take that back. I misunderstood |
| 02:09.54 | stew | jetole: yes, you could change the source in the source tree, and rebuild that, you should bump the version in the changelog though to make yours is distinct from the source you were starting with |
| 02:09.57 | jelly-home | jetole: it you're building from a tarball newer than what's in unstable, you may try using uupdate |
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| 02:10.11 | abrotman | !tell jetole about uupdate |
| 02:10.12 | stew | jetole: what version are you compiling? |
| 02:10.14 | jelly-home | s/it/if/ |
| 02:10.39 | jetole | jelly-home: I don't know uupdate and I am using 0.8.6 since it's the first version to have the -smbios option but it's only in testing |
| 02:10.52 | jetole | stew: 0.8.6 |
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| 02:11.15 | epsilon | jetole: are you aware of mixing self-compiled packages and debian-packages? |
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| 02:11.36 | jelly-home | jetole: oh, if it's in testing you can try doing a backport. |
| 02:11.45 | jetole | epsilon: I don't know the risks |
| 02:11.49 | abrotman | epsilon: maybe you should just stop .. he seems to be getting agitated? |
| 02:11.58 | epsilon | k |
| 02:12.01 | jetole | jelly-home: er, experimental I meant |
| 02:12.13 | jelly-home | almost the same thing ;-) |
| 02:12.26 | jetole | abrotman: actually I am not now. epsilon seems to be trying to help |
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| 02:12.39 | abrotman | runs away crying |
| 02:12.42 | jetole | lol |
| 02:12.52 | dvs | awwwwwwwwww |
| 02:12.53 | epsilon | hugs abrotman |
| 02:12.57 | jetole | jelly-home: does backports support experimental? |
| 02:13.01 | stew | jetole: do you know if you need changes to the source or the compilation options from what debian uses? |
| 02:13.03 | tharkun | epsilon: no, i don't have any sources for that but making ip mistakes when manually filtering is quite common |
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| 02:13.38 | tharkun | Gentlemen how many connections can an ssh tunnel among two hosts hold? |
| 02:13.40 | jetole | stew: well I need a version of the source that debian only has in experimental but no, can't think of any other changes. I just need these features on one server is all |
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| 02:13.48 | jelly-home | jetole: I mean your own local backport, not a ready-made repo somewhere. |
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| 02:14.01 | jetole | jelly-home: I don't have a backport |
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| 02:14.20 | jelly-home | jetole: I |
| 02:14.25 | jetole | jelly-home: I have the debian install version (0.8.3) and the source tarball 0.8.6 |
| 02:14.29 | jelly-home | 'm failing to type, apparently |
| 02:15.10 | stew | jetole: "/msg dpkg ssb" would give you instructions on making a backport, you'd be using a experimental source instead of a sid source. |
| 02:15.43 | stew | jetole: packages in experimental might be completely broken with little or no testing done with them use them with caution, and you should be checking the BTS |
| 02:16.02 | jetole | jelly-home: so... what does everyone think is the best way I should do this? Clearly I'm getting that I shouldn't compile this (I wouldn't on a mission critical server but anything in our office isn't mission critical) so... ok, I'm getting the impression I should read what dpkg has to say about making a backport |
| 02:16.02 | jelly-home | <(^_^)< what he said |
| 02:16.11 | tharkun | jetole: that means if you run into trouble you are on your own ;P |
| 02:16.15 | jetole | oops, didn't mean to address that to jelly-home |
| 02:16.26 | epsilon | jetole: just let me tell one thing: each distribution has own set of packages known as working well together. Once you are mixing up the version, you are on your own whit hte compatibiliy |
| 02:16.30 | jetole | tharkun: I figured |
| 02:16.32 | jetole | heh |
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| 02:16.49 | jetole | epsilon: granted. |
| 02:16.55 | jelly-home | jetole: ssb if it works out and the packages seem reasonably complete; an /usr/local or /opt or whatever build otherwise |
| 02:17.15 | tharkun | jetole: i have a few production servers running "Experimental" software, not yet in Sid. ;P |
| 02:17.19 | jetole | epsilon: yeah this isn't mission critical. If it fails and dies, well I have to reinstall it I suppose |
| 02:17.44 | epsilon | jetole: kk, good platform to play |
| 02:18.03 | jetole | alright. I'm going to take stews advice and /msg dpkg ssb and go that route |
| 02:18.36 | jetole | thanks everyone for the help and "there be dragons here" words of warning |
| 02:18.50 | jelly-home | Debian is a very nice platform to run actually useful software on. I don't think we have a single debian instance with only the distro packages. |
| 02:18.57 | aalex_laptop | Anyone has a GUI frontend to ffmpeg to suggest? |
| 02:19.07 | aalex_laptop | (that's in debian) |
| 02:19.30 | epsilon | trial and error, nothing to lose :) |
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| 02:20.50 | jetole | /msg dpkg ssb: This looks fun :D |
| 02:20.59 | jelly-home | mail servers run backported postfix; web servers run custom php and kernels; java servers have tomcat and jvm from tarballs; they're still all debian |
| 02:21.05 | epsilon | for ffmpeg you 4D-frontend to underatdn every functions... |
| 02:21.22 | epsilon | *understand |
| 02:22.12 | wobblyonions | anyone gopt any exp with flow-tools at all? |
| 02:23.24 | epsilon | shell$> flo<tab><tab> ... nothing |
| 02:24.05 | jelly-home | fakes ignorance |
| 02:24.39 | wobblyonions | :-) |
| 02:25.50 | wobblyonions | thanks epsilion but that dont help me much :-) |
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| 02:26.57 | jetole | wobblyonions: that sounds familiar. TCP connection handling |
| 02:27.00 | jetole | right? |
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| 02:27.32 | jetole | IIRC this has to do with tcpflow analysis which a lot of routers do as well |
| 02:27.42 | doughj3 | For curiosity sake, is there a way to see interface speed in realtime? :] |
| 02:27.46 | jetole | this is off the top of my head though so for all I know it may be a GIMP plugin |
| 02:28.05 | jetole | doughj3: you mean the speed at which data is traveling over say, eth0 |
| 02:28.10 | doughj3 | jetole: exactly. |
| 02:28.39 | jetole | doughj3: yes, give me one sec |
| 02:28.43 | wobblyonions | jetole: its a very useful tool to monitor network trafficâs patterns. |
| 02:28.51 | jetole | w00t. I was right |
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| 02:29.42 | jetole | wobblyonions: I read about it years ago so no I'm not the person to reference but afaik it's a little off topic and you will probably find better help in #netfilter and #snort |
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| 02:29.58 | wobblyonions | I have the end device sending the netflow information to the Debian server but cant seem to get that side of it working at all, keep getting the error flow-capture[6165]: ftpdu_verify(): src_ip=xx.xx.xx.xx failed. |
| 02:30.08 | wobblyonions | thanks will try that |
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| 02:32.37 | jetole | doughj3: what kind of tool are we talking here. If you don't mind bash I will write you a script that can tall you the speed as quickly as you like (i.e. update every second, every 20 minutes or every millisecond) but it doesn't have graphs or anything like that |
| 02:33.05 | jetole | doughj3: I kinda wanna write it but won't bother doing it for myself alone unless someone else needs / wants it |
| 02:33.07 | doughj3 | jetole: that'd be perfect, thanks! Doesn't have to be fancy by any means. |
| 02:33.19 | jetole | doughj3: give me 5 to 10 |
| 02:33.23 | doughj3 | Sure thing, thanks a lot! |
| 02:34.05 | jetole | no prob. I need a break anyways |
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| 02:44.16 | nutron | I'm having trouble with apt-cacher-ng... anyone familiar with this black box? |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | mumbles "approx" |
| 02:44.53 | nutron | I know.. just ask etc... Well, I hit aptitude update, it seems to do great (dl's 1 byte \o/), when I run aptitude install hdparm.. it tells me it can't find it... odd? yes. |
| 02:45.16 | nutron | abrotman: I know, I've used approx for eons, though it never actually seems to cache much for me. |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | eh ... works great for me |
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| 02:45.32 | nutron | ymmv ! |
| 02:45.34 | nutron | :P |
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| 02:58.17 | W0rmF00d | in aptitude when I search, the 1st column reports "pi"...now according to the man page, "the most common states are p, meaning that no trace of the package exists on the system,...i, meaning that the package is installed..."....now how can there be "no trace" if the package is installed? |
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| 03:01.09 | jelly-home | W0rmF00d: read the sentence after that. |
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| 03:02.04 | scgtrp | i've installed debian and kde but some apps take ages (over a minute in some cases) to start for the first time. what could be causing it? |
| 03:02.52 | jelly-home | W0rmF00d: my man page states about the "search" command: "[...] The first character of each line indicates the current state of the package: [...]" |
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| 03:03.19 | jetole | doughj3: just letting you know I'm still working on it and give me a few more minutes. Also this is fun |
| 03:03.28 | jelly-home | W0rmF00d: that's _immediately_ preceding what you quoted. |
| 03:03.28 | doughj3 | Sure, thanks ;] |
| 03:03.30 | doughj3 | :] |
| 03:05.36 | W0rmF00d | ok jelly-home, I see it now |
| 03:05.58 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 03:05.58 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 03:06.12 | W0rmF00d | it is "to be installed"....but why does it never install? Does that mean it is just marked to be installed, but not installed? |
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| 03:10.06 | scgtrp | just timed it - it takes 43 seconds to start kwrite, with no disk activity. that can't be normal |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | k? probably has to start the kitchen sink |
| 03:11.31 | scgtrp | abrotman: how much can it take to run a text editor? |
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| 03:12.18 | abrotman | scgtrp: poor joke |
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| 03:13.03 | scgtrp | doesn't appear to happen with gimp |
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| 03:14.10 | abrotman | see, starts with a g .. no such thing as a gitchen sink :) |
| 03:14.16 | scgtrp | heh |
| 03:14.20 | abrotman | tried a strace? |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | or other k apps? |
| 03:14.35 | scgtrp | i don't think it's only qt/kde things though, happened with firefox |
| 03:14.50 | scgtrp | connect(11, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 03:14.54 | scgtrp | okular hangs there |
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| 03:15.28 | amphi | interface lo is up? |
| 03:15.30 | scgtrp | what runs on port 111? |
| 03:15.52 | abrotman | the gate to hell |
| 03:15.52 | scgtrp | amphi: ifconfig -a lists it as just "LOOPBACK" |
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| 03:16.17 | dvs | will have what abrotman had |
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| 03:16.29 | abrotman | scgtrp: what's in /etc/hosts ? |
| 03:16.41 | scgtrp | oh, hey, bringing lo up seems to have fixed it |
| 03:16.42 | amphi | scgtrp: if ifconfig with no args doesn't show it, it's not up |
| 03:16.45 | scgtrp | (why didn't it come up on boot) |
| 03:16.53 | amphi | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:17.08 | scgtrp | empty except two lines of comments |
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| 03:17.28 | abrotman | scgtrp: that's not good |
| 03:17.47 | scgtrp | ... yeah, didn't think so |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | it hsould have like "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback" |
| 03:18.21 | amphi | mine has an address line too |
| 03:18.48 | scgtrp | my old one (from ubuntu) just has what abrotman said |
| 03:19.14 | scgtrp | odd. what wiped it then? |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | you did it! |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | YOU!!! |
| 03:19.53 | scgtrp | i did? |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | amphi: optional i bleieve |
| 03:19.58 | scgtrp | stupid split personalities :( |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | scgtrp: don't mind me .. i don't sleep much :) |
| 03:20.09 | scgtrp | heh |
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| 03:20.43 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:21.09 | lkthomas | when I did pvdisplay, one of the PV show unknown device and couldn't find device with uuid...blah |
| 03:21.27 | lkthomas | does it means I am safe to remove that device ? |
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| 03:25.02 | jetole | doughj3-afk: debugging |
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| 03:25.31 | jetole | almost there. longer then I thought but almost there. Plus it's a nice piece of bash script once I work out a couple small bugs. |
| 03:25.35 | scgtrp | anyway: thanks, saved me from wandering off to hunt for another distro to try :P |
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| 03:26.26 | abrotman | scgtrp: though you might want to find another text editor :) |
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| 03:28.07 | scgtrp | abrotman: i actually usually use kate, i was just running random apps to find ones that hung |
| 03:28.22 | abrotman | i'm just being a pain .. |
| 03:28.35 | abrotman | use what works for you |
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| 03:28.42 | scgtrp | :P |
| 03:29.08 | scgtrp | (programming in things that don't support multiple documents is indeed painful) |
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| 03:29.32 | scgtrp | next question: how do i make tapping on my touchpad click? |
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| 03:32.03 | stew | scgtrp: synclient TapButton1=1 |
| 03:32.53 | scgtrp | oh, shiny. thanks |
| 03:34.01 | stew | scgtrp: "synclient -l" shows you all the possible settings. these will all be forgotten when you restart X, however |
| 03:34.32 | scgtrp | recommended place to put it so it runs on boot||login? (also, wasn't there a checkbox for this somewhere?) |
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| 03:36.34 | tuv | i have a lot of "/etc/cron.daily/apt: line 471: 6135 Segmentation fault unattended-upgrade $XUUPOPT" messages in my local inbox, and obviously unattended-upgrades is not doing what it's suppoed to. is this a known problem? |
| 03:36.37 | stew | scgtrp: .xsession, your DE might have settings or checkboxes for this somewhere, I don't know |
| 03:36.49 | stew | tuv: checked the bts? |
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| 03:37.27 | powxz | Hi, what is the way to stop "dhclient" if has no found a network in X seconds? |
| 03:38.03 | stew | powxz: man dhclient.conf |
| 03:38.08 | powxz | imc: the last questio, do you know where is the option to configure isa snd? there no such option in alsa sound, any idea? |
| 03:38.16 | powxz | sorry paste |
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| 03:45.54 | tuv | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596408 looks like the most relevant. it's supposed to be fixed, yet my version is newer than the reported fix and i still get the segfaults |
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| 03:49.37 | jetole | doughj3-afk: are you still around? |
| 03:49.59 | BLZbubba_ | should debian squeeze support CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS ? i am getting ENXIO (No such device or address) when i try to use them |
| 03:50.05 | jetole | I'm finished the first revision which works and does what I want it to do and putting on pastebin now but want to add a couple more features to it |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | BLZbubba_: which kernel are you using ? |
| 03:50.56 | BLZbubba_ | mark@soam:~$ uname -a |
| 03:50.56 | BLZbubba_ | Linux soam 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:44:54 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:51.31 | abrotman | did you look in /boot/ for your config ? |
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| 03:53.05 | BLZbubba_ | no, that would be too easy :) ok, looks like the default is CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is not set |
| 03:53.09 | BLZbubba_ | thanks |
| 03:53.15 | jetole | doughj3-afk: http://pastebin.com/tvdyzAPk |
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| 03:53.47 | jetole | doughj3-afk: despite what the usage says, the any option doesn't work |
| 03:53.57 | jetole | ... yet. |
| 03:55.54 | jetole | doughj3-afk: just fixed a small bug of "could not find interface" error not showing the interface: http://pastebin.com/83cqZJ5P |
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| 04:22.57 | acu_ | I have a http server behind a router - I did port forwarding port 80 towards the computer with the webserver - but it still does not respond - do I need to add port trigering too ? - and disable STUN ? |
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| 04:25.56 | acu_ | zackmax, thanks - will try DMZ - for color search something like boot splash - I used to change everything many years ago - boot splash |
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| 04:44.55 | jetole | well I'm not far from done but if you give me an hour it will be worth it and you can use that one in the mean time |
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| 05:11.37 | omg_onoez | sensors |
| 05:12.28 | froggyman | wonder if he could possibly get a little more insight on the details to that |
| 05:12.39 | omg_onoez | wat? |
| 05:12.57 | omg_onoez | bash -> sensors |
| 05:13.05 | froggyman | oh, thats it? wow |
| 05:13.10 | omg_onoez | yep |
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| 05:13.18 | omg_onoez | \= |
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| 05:13.32 | froggyman | thanks! |
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| 06:20.20 | scgtrp | my X server has stopped accepting connections for the second time today... |
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| 06:20.43 | Bop | mine crashed today too |
| 06:20.51 | scgtrp | no, it's still running |
| 06:20.56 | scgtrp | i just can't start any new programs |
| 06:21.12 | scgtrp | "cannot connect to X server :0.0" |
| 06:21.59 | Bop | u should restar X , i guess |
| 06:22.20 | scgtrp | well, yeah, that fixed it last time. i'd like to find out why it happens and make it stop happening, it's kind of annoying |
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| 06:25.11 | dragonfly | Leonidas, how goes it? |
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| 06:26.55 | k-dingo | How do I change the widget font sizes for iceweasel (menus, bookmarks, toolbars, etc.)? Way too large ATM. |
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| 06:28.45 | bobby | Hello People. |
| 06:29.00 | k-dingo | bobby: sorry, it's just zombies here tonight |
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| 06:29.23 | bobby | surely, there's some people. |
| 06:29.27 | bobby | the people can help. |
| 06:29.27 | bobby | :) |
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| 06:29.43 | k-dingo | bobby: helpful zombies. Especially if you have twinkies. |
| 06:29.44 | bobby | installed debian from netinst. doesn't have wifi driver. I want to install X but don't know how. |
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| 06:30.08 | bobby | I have CD1 also. |
| 06:30.17 | k-dingo | !tell bobby about install x |
| 06:30.20 | dragonfly | bobby, do you want gnome, kde, or soemthing else? |
| 06:30.28 | bobby | gnome is good. |
| 06:30.31 | k-dingo | bobby: Do you have network access on the system without wifi? |
| 06:30.44 | bobby | no network access. without wifi. |
| 06:30.45 | bobby | :( |
| 06:30.49 | k-dingo | bobby: IIRC "gnome-desktop" is the task that will install the GNOME stuff for you. |
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| 06:31.01 | bobby | gnome-desktop, check. |
| 06:31.07 | dragonfly | why did you use netinstall cd if you don't have internet access? |
| 06:31.36 | k-dingo | dragonfly: TCP/IP over smoke signals. |
| 06:31.40 | bobby | long story. do'nt have cd. used usb stick. used boot.img.gz from some website which only left enough space on stick to put netinst. |
| 06:31.49 | bobby | couldn't put cd1 without resizing the part. |
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| 06:31.55 | bobby | so installed it with netinst. |
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| 06:32.02 | yoshio | !wireless |
| 06:32.02 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 06:32.11 | k-dingo | bobby: Did you have network access at the time? |
| 06:32.37 | bobby | no. It found the wifi and asked for wep key. but it's actuall wpa2. which the installer didn't support. |
| 06:32.57 | bobby | I was hoping to launch the installer from cd1 after the fact from the installed debian system. |
| 06:34.03 | k-dingo | bobby: Well, you can use CD sources within apt, there's no installer that "runs from CD" per se. |
| 06:34.18 | bobby | that sounds like what I'd like to use. |
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| 06:34.24 | bobby | cd1 should have x and gnome, correct? |
| 06:34.34 | blashyrkh | hello |
| 06:34.41 | blashyrkh | i have a problem installing nagios3 |
| 06:34.46 | blashyrkh | on a debian lenny installation |
| 06:34.57 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, what problem, explain |
| 06:35.09 | blashyrkh | when i run apt-get install nagios3 |
| 06:35.13 | blashyrkh | i get the following |
| 06:35.13 | blashyrkh | Setting up nagios3-common (3.0.6-4~lenny2) ... |
| 06:35.14 | blashyrkh | *** WARNING: ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but |
| 06:35.14 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.14 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.15 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.17 | k-dingo | bobby: Not sure, but more popular packages tend to be on lower-numbered CDs. If you can get DVDs, you'll have a higher likelihood of success. |
| 06:35.18 | bobby | uhoh. |
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| 06:35.35 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.37 | blashyrkh | Creating config file /etc/nagios3/conf.d/host-gateway_nagios3.cfg with new version |
| 06:35.38 | bobby | ok, how to use aptitude using cd1 package...s.... |
| 06:35.39 | blashyrkh | include file /etc/nagios3/apache2.conf does not exist! |
| 06:35.41 | blashyrkh | chown: cannot access `/etc/nagios3/resource.cfg': No such file or directory |
| 06:35.43 | arvind_khadri | !tell blashyrkh about paste |
| 06:35.44 | blashyrkh | dpkg: error processing nagios3-common (--configure): |
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| 06:35.45 | k-dingo | blashyrkh: Don't paste here. |
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| 06:35.47 | blashyrkh | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nagios3: |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | blashyrkh: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 06:35.55 | blashyrkh | dpkg: error processing nagios3 (--configure): |
| 06:35.55 | dpkg | blashyrkh: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 06:35.57 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.59 | blashyrkh | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:35.59 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, stop!!!! |
| 06:36.01 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.03 | blashyrkh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.05 | blashyrkh | sry |
| 06:36.05 | dragonfly | bobby, I remember looking a couple nights ago and yes, gnome is on cd1 |
| 06:36.07 | blashyrkh | i just noticed |
| 06:36.18 | blashyrkh | sry i wont do it again |
| 06:36.25 | imnotabug | streuner what's BTS? |
| 06:36.27 | bobby | dragonfly: cool. is there a quick way to use aptitude with cd1 packages? |
| 06:36.44 | arvind_khadri | !tell imnotabug about bts |
| 06:36.50 | blashyrkh | pastebin |
| 06:37.04 | streuner | imnotabug: wait, gcc-doc is non-free... |
| 06:37.17 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, use http://paste.debian.net |
| 06:37.22 | dragonfly | so you just have the cd1 iso on your machine bobby |
| 06:37.25 | streuner | imnotabug: what do you mean with broken? |
| 06:38.01 | bobby | dragonfly: correct. cd1 iso on disk. |
| 06:38.25 | dragonfly | on disk? |
| 06:38.58 | dragonfly | such as it's located at: /home/bobby/cd1.iso |
| 06:39.26 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, after pasting, give us the link |
| 06:39.52 | blashyrkh | http://paste.debian.net/102353 |
| 06:39.56 | blashyrkh | so i think i got it now |
| 06:40.16 | bobby | dragonfly: correct |
| 06:40.33 | blashyrkh | just one short intermediate question, is it possible to pipe shell text to where i can paste it somewhere? |
| 06:40.56 | bobby | Documents/debian-507-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 06:41.13 | streuner | !pastebinit |
| 06:41.13 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 06:41.28 | dragonfly | blashyrkh, "*command you want output of* >> output.txt" |
| 06:41.43 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, I suggest you use aptitude to install your package |
| 06:41.50 | dragonfly | ok, bobby -- first you will need to loop-mount it |
| 06:41.56 | arvind_khadri | !why aptitude | blashyrkh |
| 06:41.59 | bobby | dragonfly: no problem. |
| 06:42.09 | dragonfly | you know how to do that already? |
| 06:42.09 | arvind_khadri | !aptitude | blashyrkh |
| 06:42.09 | bobby | loopmounted the iso quite few times.... |
| 06:42.18 | blashyrkh | so whats my plan now, purge / remove with apt-get |
| 06:42.20 | blashyrkh | first |
| 06:42.24 | dragonfly | awesome--i haven't done that much so am kinda sketchy on it |
| 06:42.26 | blashyrkh | and then run aptitude nagios3 |
| 06:42.52 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, no, aptitude install nagios3 |
| 06:42.59 | dragonfly | ok, once you have it mounted to some directory -- say /foo then you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:43.08 | blashyrkh | but first uninstall it |
| 06:43.10 | blashyrkh | ? |
| 06:43.12 | bobby | dragonfly: mount .iso /mnt/place -o loop |
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| 06:43.18 | arvind_khadri | !tell blashyrkh about why aptitude |
| 06:43.52 | blashyrkh | i would very like to know why aptitude and not apt-get, is this a general advice or just in this case |
| 06:43.53 | dragonfly | bobby, yeah, I would do "mount -o loop .iso /place" but whatever works :) |
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| 06:44.23 | dragonfly | bobby, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:44.27 | doughj3-afk | Aren't things in /etc/cron.hourly supposed to, er, run hourly? |
| 06:44.39 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, general advice, check the private msg from dpkg. |
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| 06:45.15 | bobby | dragonfly: cool, /etc/apt/sources.list, what to put in it? |
| 06:46.31 | dragonfly | well, this is a bit different than anything I've added before -- let me see if i can find something online to help |
| 06:46.35 | dragonfly | consults Google |
| 06:47.54 | dragonfly | ok, looks like I found something -- no guarantees though |
| 06:48.12 | blashyrkh | okay so i did apt-get remove nagios3, apt-get autoremove, aptitude install nagios3 |
| 06:48.15 | blashyrkh | but still |
| 06:48.16 | blashyrkh | http://paste.debian.net/102355 |
| 06:48.21 | dragonfly | first, put a comment on so that you can recognize it later: #Added loop mounted CD1 |
| 06:49.15 | dragonfly | then: deb file:///mnt/isoplace / |
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| 06:49.28 | dragonfly | bobby, then after you do that, aptitude update |
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| 06:49.52 | bobby | dragonfly: sounds good. |
| 06:49.52 | lamah | debian beta 2 is here... |
| 06:49.55 | bobby | thanks. |
| 06:50.07 | bobby | dragonfly: gotta reboot into debian and try that. thanks for your time and help. |
| 06:50.26 | dragonfly | no promises that that will work, but give it a try and report back please :) |
| 06:50.32 | bobby | : |
| 06:50.33 | bobby | :) |
| 06:50.34 | bobby | rebooting |
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| 06:51.25 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, do you get the same problem when you install any other package?> |
| 06:51.39 | blashyrkh | no |
| 06:51.51 | blashyrkh | i didnt get this problem when i installed nagios3 the first time |
| 06:52.04 | blashyrkh | but i messed up with the configuration etc |
| 06:52.06 | blashyrkh | so i tried to reinstall it |
| 06:52.15 | blashyrkh | and now i always get this error |
| 06:52.18 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, edit your conf. |
| 06:52.23 | blashyrkh | there are no |
| 06:52.25 | blashyrkh | more |
| 06:52.29 | blashyrkh | thats the problem |
| 06:52.53 | blashyrkh | i reckoned that an apt-get install or reinstall will reinstall the /etc/nagios3 config files too |
| 06:52.59 | blashyrkh | but obviously it didnt |
| 06:53.10 | yoshio | doughj3-afk, periods aren't allowed in cron job filenames (man run-parts) |
| 06:53.14 | blashyrkh | so when i try /etc/init.d/nagios3 start |
| 06:53.30 | blashyrkh | There is no configuration file for Nagios 3. failed! |
| 06:53.32 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, dpkg-reconfigure nagios3 |
| 06:53.56 | blashyrkh | i thought of that too |
| 06:54.02 | blashyrkh | but its giving me: |
| 06:54.09 | blashyrkh | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nagios3 is broken or not fully installed |
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| 06:54.18 | imnotabug | streuner Sorry I was away. |
| 06:54.24 | imnotabug | Hm... why the hell is it non-free? |
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| 06:54.38 | streuner | imnotabug: /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
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| 06:54.45 | imnotabug | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.48 | imnotabug | oops |
| 06:54.55 | imnotabug | lazy copy-and-paste |
| 06:55.10 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, apt-get install -f :) |
| 06:55.12 | dragonfly | blashyrkh, aptitude remove nagios3 - aptitude purge nagios3 - aptitude install nagios3 |
| 06:55.48 | imnotabug | Hm... I'll start using non-free then. First conky.. now this.. |
| 06:56.23 | blashyrkh | dragonfly, hm no thtas not making any difference |
| 06:57.21 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, apt-get install -f |
| 06:57.36 | imnotabug | Thanks streuner. I had already downloaded the pdf, though... a lot easier to search through than the htmls... |
| 06:57.57 | blashyrkh | arvind_Khadri, should i run aptitude remove and purge before |
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| 06:58.48 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, no |
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| 07:00.08 | blashyrkh | http://paste.debian.net/102356/ |
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| 07:01.43 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, just "apt-get install -f" |
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| 07:02.58 | blashyrkh | same error |
| 07:03.09 | blashyrkh | with apt-get install -f |
| 07:03.24 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, ohh, sorry I have run out of ideas |
| 07:03.41 | blashyrkh | hm |
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| 07:11.08 | yoshio | blashyrkh, try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 07:12.31 | blashyrkh | http://paste.debian.net/102357/ |
| 07:12.37 | blashyrkh | mhm no luck with this either |
| 07:12.43 | blashyrkh | i cant ieven install nagios3-common |
| 07:13.02 | blashyrkh | so no chance to configure it without the config files :) |
| 07:13.20 | blashyrkh | maybe i could just copy the config files manually in there |
| 07:13.23 | dragonfly | what is UCF that it keeps complaining about? |
| 07:13.29 | blashyrkh | i dont know either |
| 07:13.43 | blashyrkh | i thought some underlying apt-get install thingy |
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| 07:14.29 | dragonfly | blashyrkh, hmmm, apt-cache show ucf talks about it |
| 07:15.10 | hid3 | Why did debian switch to dash in squeeze? |
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| 07:16.16 | blashyrkh | so maybe i should "unflag" the files as conffiles so that they are not any longer treated specially by the ucf script |
| 07:16.21 | yoshio | !dash |
| 07:16.21 | dpkg | dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old squeeze installations: "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 07:18.35 | dragonfly | blashyrkh, try "updatedb" and then "locate nagios3" |
| 07:19.02 | dragonfly | don't know if it will help or not, but you could start removing files untill there are no nagios files left on the machine and then try reinstalling |
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| 07:20.41 | dragonfly | yoshio, mind if I /msg you for a moment? |
| 07:21.16 | niklaswe | ello everyone! |
| 07:21.17 | blashyrkh | yehttp://paste.debian.net/102360/ |
| 07:21.29 | hid3 | lol, I like the check-bashisms part :D |
| 07:21.37 | blashyrkh | and i found this thread |
| 07:21.37 | blashyrkh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513905 |
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| 07:24.34 | hid3 | So debian decided to switch to ubuntish-like dependency init.d scripts to increase boot time (and make much more problems)? That's why the default shell is now dash, right? |
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| 07:25.48 | dragonfly | blashyrkh, the bug report basically shows that it's a warning that you don't need to be concerned about -- personally i would still want to fix it |
| 07:26.11 | blashyrkh | especially since it wont install for me |
| 07:26.12 | blashyrkh | :) |
| 07:26.32 | blashyrkh | nagios3-common just isnt installing, so i cant even start nagios3 |
| 07:26.59 | dragonfly | ok -- try renaming the /etc/nagios3 directory to something like /etc/old.nagios3 or moving it somewhere else so that you don't have that directory any more |
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| 07:27.13 | dragonfly | ...or you could just rm -r /etc/nagios3 :) |
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| 07:27.25 | blashyrkh | i tried that one |
| 07:27.37 | blashyrkh | so may ill try aptitude remove purge nagios3 |
| 07:27.45 | blashyrkh | then rm -r /etc/nagios3 |
| 07:27.49 | blashyrkh | and then reinstall it |
| 07:27.52 | blashyrkh | lets see :) |
| 07:28.21 | dragonfly | before you reinstall it, you may also want to get rid of some of the other files -- /etc/default/nagios3 for example |
| 07:28.37 | dragonfly | /usr/lib/nagios3 for another |
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| 07:29.06 | blashyrkh | /usr/lib/nagios |
| 07:29.30 | blashyrkh | so basically remove everything locate nagios3 shows me? |
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| 07:30.24 | dragonfly | may as well |
| 07:30.51 | dragonfly | it's not doing you any good now and once things start working right and you get rid of the errors, then they will get recreated |
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| 07:31.59 | dragonfly | ...remember to updatedb before you check again :) |
| 07:32.05 | blashyrkh | yes :) |
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| 07:32.22 | dragonfly | lol, i've forgotten that step before |
| 07:33.10 | blashyrkh | okay |
| 07:34.09 | blashyrkh | okay |
| 07:34.12 | yoshio | blashyrkh, dpkg -L nagios3-common will tell you what files should have been installed |
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| 07:34.30 | blashyrkh | okay now i finished removeing the files |
| 07:34.38 | blashyrkh | running aptitude install nagios3 now |
| 07:34.39 | blashyrkh | i guess |
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| 07:35.22 | blashyrkh | what is the {a} behind a package if running aptitude |
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| 07:36.32 | blashyrkh | pfff |
| 07:36.43 | blashyrkh | still the same warning when trying to install nagios3-common |
| 07:36.49 | blashyrkh | mhm have to go to work |
| 07:37.05 | blashyrkh | whats the best place to post this problem? |
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| 07:38.16 | arvind_khadri | blashyrkh, {a} symbolizes that it will be automatically installed |
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| 08:05.00 | nirazio | Since I rarely use caps-lock, I'd like to map the key to a middle mouse click instead.I would also like to map Alt+Caps Lock to the original function of the caps lock key, should I ever need it. I can map any keyboard shortcut to xdotool click 2, but the Gnome Keyboard Shortcuts dialog won't let me assign a command to the caps-lock key, even with modifiers. |
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| 08:12.41 | shylent | what does Architecture: any in "debian/control" exactly mean? That the resulting package is architecture-independant? |
| 08:13.13 | shylent | as a follow-up, what does Architecture: all mean then? |
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| 08:15.47 | simonrvn | any meansall of them, but binary. all means there's no compiled binary, but say a script or such, so it'll run or be ok to install on any box. |
| 08:15.53 | simonrvn | means all* |
| 08:16.10 | simonrvn | the first part wasn't very clear... |
| 08:16.22 | shylent | yeah, I think I get it though :) |
| 08:16.30 | simonrvn | means that there's some sort of compiled binary in it that will only run on that arch. |
| 08:16.48 | nirazio | How to assign middle mouse click to capslock key????? |
| 08:16.58 | shylent | well yes, but I am specifically looking for a clear distinction between 'all' and 'any' |
| 08:16.58 | simonrvn | !ep |
| 08:16.58 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 08:17.14 | simonrvn | shylent: i just gave you it. |
| 08:17.16 | shylent | yeah |
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| 08:17.25 | shylent | I guess you did, thanks a lot ^^ |
| 08:17.38 | shylent | should've put my last message in past tense :P |
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| 08:18.06 | simonrvn | all: doc package, or -common package with no binaries, etc. any will produce _i386.deb _powerpc.deb sorts of .debs |
| 08:18.11 | simonrvn | np |
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| 08:19.07 | simonrvn | nirazio: did you search for this already? because it's a simple solution. |
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| 08:27.22 | bobby_ | hello people. |
| 08:27.52 | bobby_ | I have gnome installed. but wondering what the applet is. |
| 08:27.55 | bobby_ | for network manager. |
| 08:29.12 | dragonfly | aptitude install network-manager-gnome |
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| 08:29.21 | comradekingu1 | bobby_: nm-applet ? |
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| 08:29.37 | bobby_ | comradekingu1: that should be it. |
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| 08:29.58 | nirazio | simonrvn: Can you say me how to acheive that? |
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| 08:30.19 | bobby_ | comradekingu1: ok network-manager-gnome is already installed. but in add applets list to the status bar,it's not visible. |
| 08:30.30 | comradekingu1 | nirazio: sudo apt-get install then whateverpacagenameyouwantinstalled |
| 08:30.45 | dragonfly | bobby_, try gnome-netstatus-applet and gnome-nettool |
| 08:31.06 | comradekingu1 | bobby_: Do you have the notification area? |
| 08:31.13 | comradekingu1 | Add that and see if it comes back |
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| 08:31.43 | nirazio | comradekingu1: LOL i am asking abt mapping keys..What happened to you?? |
| 08:31.46 | bobby_ | dragonfly: oh hey, you're around. :) |
| 08:32.07 | bobby_ | the source.list worked great. helped installed wpa_supplicant, gnome, xorg. |
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| 08:32.21 | bobby_ | using wpa_supplicant in cli right now. but would rather fix the nmapplet. |
| 08:32.24 | comradekingu1 | im really tired, winged it |
| 08:32.39 | dragonfly | awesome! glad that worked :) |
| 08:32.44 | bobby_ | comradekingu1: cool, the nm-applet runs but say couldn't connect to dbus. |
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| 08:32.53 | comradekingu1 | no wait, you are the other guy. Reading is overrated |
| 08:32.55 | bobby_ | stupid applet. |
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| 08:33.43 | bobby_ | so nm-applet is basically started as startup and runs in notification area? it's not a standard "added applet" to the toolbar, eh? |
| 08:33.55 | comradekingu1 | bobby_: Add the notification area, if nm-applet is running it means its just not visible because it belongs to that annoying status area |
| 08:35.08 | dragonfly | hmmm, I'm on squeeze and apt-cache search nm-applet doesn't even show anything... |
| 08:35.16 | bobby_ | comradekingu1: cool, when running it manually, it shows in the area. which means. it should auto start at startup? |
| 08:35.44 | bobby_ | dragonfly: sudo apt-get install nm-applet shows that its' already at the latest. |
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| 08:36.02 | dragonfly | oh, bobby_ -- one thing you should do |
| 08:36.19 | petern_ | it should be listed in your startup applications in gnome |
| 08:36.21 | bobby_ | altho, I just found some line online for the sources.list to fix the file, 'coz the installer commented out all the unused lines. |
| 08:36.33 | dragonfly | comment out the last part we added in your sources.list so that it doesn't forever look-for/want/need the cd mounted :) |
| 08:36.36 | petern_ | as "Network Manager" |
| 08:36.53 | bobby_ | dragonfly: will edit that out. |
| 08:37.00 | bobby_ | petern_: ok, now to find gnome start up services.... |
| 08:37.19 | petern_ | bobby_, in gnome: System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications |
| 08:38.13 | bobby_ | petern_: weird. mine doens't show startup applications. |
| 08:38.27 | bobby_ | version 2.22.3 |
| 08:38.41 | comradekingu1 | Dont worry, my mom lost it the other day, and shes also running gnome. Gnomes fault for sure imo |
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| 08:39.24 | bobby_ | at least the wpa_supp.conf file is done properly. |
| 08:39.30 | comradekingu1 | bobby_: can you "lock it to panel" ? |
| 08:39.31 | bobby_ | it's just annoying to have to do it manually. |
| 08:40.05 | bobby_ | comradekingu1: well, it doesn't even recognize any wifi devices. which the wpa_supplicant did. |
| 08:40.20 | bobby_ | it's not like this installation is standard. |
| 08:40.49 | bobby_ | I mean I have to manually chainload +1 from main grub2 to the root debian partition which launches grub1 which then runs debian. |
| 08:41.10 | bobby_ | until I add ext4 support to debian, I can't edit the main grub2 entry. |
| 08:41.14 | dragonfly | hey, i've got a couple set-up that way on purpose :) |
| 08:41.27 | bobby_ | or I could boot in kubuntu to fix it. but it's acting up on this machine. |
| 08:41.36 | dragonfly | what does ext4 support have to do with the grub entry? |
| 08:41.37 | bobby_ | dragonfly: it's cool as long as you remember how to launch it. |
| 08:41.56 | bobby_ | dragonfly: my grub2 file is on a ext4 boot partition that was created for kubuntu |
| 08:42.14 | dragonfly | oh, i see...so you just can't edit the file at this point -- understood |
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| 08:42.37 | bobby_ | I could boot in kubuntu and edit it. but not that urgent. |
| 08:42.47 | bobby_ | as long as I remember the manual command from grub2 cli. |
| 08:43.05 | dragonfly | bobby_, I've got a couple boxes that multiboot win+debian+whatever else i'm playing with at the moment so I have main boot loader and then each partition has a boot loader with option to either load that os or return to main boot loader :) |
| 08:43.23 | bobby_ | dragonfly: that's pretty cool. |
| 08:43.51 | bobby_ | the other day, ubuntu overwrote win7 bootloader on someone's machine and put the grub.conf file on the external usb drive. |
| 08:43.54 | bobby_ | doh! |
| 08:44.16 | bobby_ | so the only way to boot is to plug in an external drive then select windows then unplug the drive. |
| 08:44.34 | bobby_ | had to rewrite the win7 bootloader to fix that |
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| 08:45.47 | dragonfly | bobby, did you install gnome-nettool and gnome-netstatus-applet and network-manager? |
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| 08:46.17 | bobby_ | gnome-nettool installed. |
| 08:46.33 | bobby_ | applet netstatus-applet installed. |
| 08:46.43 | bobby_ | the last is installed also. :) |
| 08:47.07 | bobby_ | it's weird using gnome after long time. |
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| 09:08.15 | allo | one question about debian packaging: when "debian/postrm remove" is running, then all files from the package SHOULD be already removed, should't they? |
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| 09:17.47 | ov3rmind | nice daydebians mans |
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| 09:23.28 | soviet | hey nirazio, try this: http://blog.alexrybicki.com/2009/03/bash-ls-color-meaning.html |
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| 09:40.33 | nirazio | soviet: Thankyou :) |
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| 09:41.33 | nirazio | soviet: I have a doubt |
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| 09:47.49 | project2501a | hey guys: what is libgtextutils ? anybod heard of that gnu library? |
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| 09:53.04 | ali3n0 | hi guys. How many processes in the load queue you need to consider a machine "normal load"? one? |
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| 10:01.33 | jelly | ali3n0: anything lower than the number of CPUs means there are some CPUs idle |
| 10:01.51 | jelly | !loadavg |
| 10:01.52 | dpkg | it has been said that load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses. |
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| 10:17.56 | frikinz | I have two internet lines. Is there something existing that wuld allow me to split the download on the two? For remote servers that support http resume or ftp resume? |
| 10:18.37 | frostschutz | something tells me that wget and dd is not what you want to hear :-D |
| 10:18.56 | petemc | !split access |
| 10:18.57 | dpkg | well, split access is when you have two networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 10:21.14 | frikinz | I guess I need two different tcp connections. I wonder if wget alone can't do it |
| 10:21.27 | frikinz | frostschutz: that looks interesting :) |
| 10:21.59 | frostschutz | split access will still use only one link per server... it'd probably be fine for torrent though with many different peers |
| 10:23.04 | frikinz | I have two interfaces. I'd like wget to start the dl from pos 0 on the first interface. and another wget on the other interface using resume http from half the file to the end |
| 10:23.15 | frikinz | and then merge :) |
| 10:23.28 | tux33 | i get a error for this command its from a howto dpkg-i lsb-base*.deb |
| 10:23.45 | tux33 | pls, what for a command can it be? |
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| 10:24.30 | frostschutz | frikinz: yes, you can use dd to generate a dummy file, which the second wget can "continue" downloading, and then merge the two. I don't know if wget can just start at an offset without the help of a dummy |
| 10:25.01 | frostschutz | frikinz: main problem is getting the second wget to use the other interface :) |
| 10:25.29 | frostschutz | frikinz: probably works with --bind-address |
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| 10:27.10 | frikinz | frostschutz: yes; what I am looking. if the default route would be based on the local address that it would be easy. |
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| 10:38.50 | frikinz | lartc and round robbin path selection + curl (parameter -range) should be fine |
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| 10:47.59 | tux33 | i don't have have the file /etc/init.d/sysklogd why? |
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| 10:50.11 | RichiH | !find /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 10:50.29 | RichiH | tux33: whatever dpkg returns: you don't have it installed :) |
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| 10:50.30 | i8degrees | tux33: why should you? hehe (I don't either, for the record) |
| 10:50.57 | RichiH | tux33: you want to install apt-file locally, by the way |
| 10:51.00 | RichiH | !apt-file |
| 10:51.00 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 10:51.59 | i8degrees | ah, that's neat :] it's like dpkg -S ...? |
| 10:52.40 | tux33 | thx! |
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| 10:55.10 | Bittarman | when I add a new IP addr to eth0, im getting SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address |
| 10:55.41 | Bittarman | I added the IP by editing /etc/network/interfaces, and using /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 10:56.22 | amit | anyone here? |
| 10:57.01 | amit | problem with pidgin? |
| 10:57.10 | doughj3-afk | amit: I can prove that is the IRC equivalent of the halting problem. |
| 10:57.34 | Bittarman | amit, may I suggest #pidgin for pidgin support |
| 10:57.58 | amit | Bittarman thanks |
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| 11:01.10 | D4rKr0W | how come i had to set +x manually on /usr/bin/dpkg after uprading it? this is the second time the same issue happens, does anyone know about this? |
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| 11:01.42 | amit | Bittarman: noone is answering there |
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| 11:03.02 | SlayerXP | amee2k: then use a better supported client |
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| 11:04.24 | petemc | amit: you could try actually asking your question |
| 11:04.37 | petemc | assuming you're using debian |
| 11:05.01 | amit | petemc: i have problem with pidgin (cant login in yahoo) |
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| 11:06.35 | blackthor | sounds like a yahoo problem, amit |
| 11:07.12 | amit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.32 | D4rKr0W | is it safe to add +x to all of the files in /usr/bin ? |
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| 11:07.52 | blackthor | could anyone point out where else to look: running debian, switched disk to a new mobo (onboard eth), configured eth2, eth2 only works from "local IP" ; can't surf the net or reach the machine from outside network |
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| 11:08.40 | OpenTokix | blackthor: what does you /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
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| 11:09.33 | vtts | blackthor, check if interface name changed |
| 11:10.34 | blackthor | yes, the if name changed from eth0 to eth2, so i adapted the interfaces file |
| 11:10.45 | blackthor | OpenTokix: it just specifies a static IP, netmask an gateway |
| 11:11.01 | vtts | blackthor, if it did, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and leave all the configuration as previously |
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| 11:11.08 | blackthor | i uncommented the persistent net rules and retriggerd udev |
| 11:11.26 | blackthor | euh, "commented" i mean |
| 11:11.49 | vtts | blackthor, does your running configuration maches the config? |
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| 11:12.04 | blackthor | well, when i can SSH to it from local, i assume so? |
| 11:12.16 | vtts | check: route -n; ifconfig -a |
| 11:12.17 | blackthor | mmmm.. where can i see the real mac address (not assigned) or a NIC without screwing it open? dmesg doesn't show |
| 11:12.37 | blackthor | well, for the "local network" the gateway is 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:12.39 | OpenTokix | bloodcry: did you do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:12.40 | petemc | ifconfig |
| 11:12.52 | blackthor | i tried adding a route with correct local network / gateway but then the machine becomes unreachable |
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| 11:13.40 | vtts | blackthor, pastebin your interfaces config file, and output from "route -n; ifconfig -a" |
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| 11:14.36 | blackthor | yes, hang on |
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| 11:16.17 | blackthor | http://pastebin.com/NpZQdAdZ |
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| 11:17.28 | blackthor | when i do this: route add -net 192.168.20.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.20.254 eth2 i can't access it anymore from local ssh |
| 11:18.07 | vtts | blackthor, you shouldn't do that |
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| 11:18.20 | vtts | try ping -c 3 192.168.20.254 |
| 11:18.24 | blackthor | yes so i figured. also tried rebooting etc |
| 11:18.35 | blackthor | no reply |
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| 11:18.48 | vtts | do you manage your network? |
| 11:18.57 | blackthor | there is a machine next to it, with ip .1 and there same configuratino, everything works perfect |
| 11:18.58 | blackthor | yes |
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| 11:19.07 | vtts | is there any mac filtering? |
| 11:19.22 | petemc | blackthor: look in dmesg, do you see information about eth2 link being up? |
| 11:19.29 | blackthor | yes eth2 is up |
| 11:19.33 | blackthor | vtts: no mac filtering |
| 11:19.40 | petemc | blackthor: it says that in dmesg yes? |
| 11:19.42 | blackthor | but perhaps wrong mac address in z25 persisent net rules ? |
| 11:19.44 | vtts | can you reach any other machine? |
| 11:19.54 | blackthor | yes, i can reach 192.168.20.1 and ssh to it (and backwards) |
| 11:19.59 | vtts | blackthor, no, z25 only assigns name according to mac |
| 11:20.12 | vtts | can you reache .254 from .1 ? |
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| 11:20.18 | blackthor | dmesg says: eth2: no IPv6 routers present -- r8169: eth2: link up |
| 11:20.25 | Rienzilla | is there any other ip on the machine assigned within 192.168.20? |
| 11:20.25 | blackthor | will check, sec |
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| 11:20.47 | blackthor | yes i can ping 192.168.20.254 from .1 |
| 11:20.50 | blackthor | and they're on the same switch |
| 11:21.07 | vtts | can you monitor traffic on .254 ? |
| 11:21.17 | vtts | tcpdump or something like that? |
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| 11:21.37 | vtts | also try clearing arp table on it |
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| 11:22.57 | blackthor | well, i rebooted the 192.168.20.254 router |
| 11:23.07 | blackthor | but will check ARP tble |
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| 11:23.44 | blackthor | aha! |
| 11:24.06 | blackthor | ok stupid me |
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| 11:24.57 | blackthor | there was a static mac address ip bind on the router... doh! |
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| 11:25.49 | blackthor | and the (virtual) beer goes to... vtts! |
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| 11:43.06 | cusco | hi |
| 11:43.32 | cusco | created a chroot with debootstrap |
| 11:43.39 | cusco | and it seems I cannot start X |
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| 11:44.52 | cusco | oh nevermind |
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| 11:45.23 | cusco | from chroot: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.dep: |
| 11:45.35 | eshat | Hi all,... |
| 11:46.08 | eshat | My notebook got 4 GB RAM, do I really need a swap partition, when I never use the hibernate function ? |
| 11:46.09 | cusco | hi |
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| 11:47.57 | joltcan | eshat: The question is, are you going to use software that uses more than 4 GB RAM at the same time? |
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| 11:48.14 | joltcan | eshat: Because if you do, then you would need the non-active stuff to be swapped out to disk |
| 11:48.33 | joltcan | eshat: but you can start with no swap, and then create a swap-file instead of a separate partition |
| 11:48.38 | joltcan | eshat: but give it a thought first |
| 11:48.59 | eshat | what will happen if there is no swap parition ? |
| 11:49.28 | eshat | Maybe I'll use things like blender and video-editing software in the future ! |
| 11:50.16 | tvm | applications may crash and fail. |
| 11:50.42 | tvm | and you may lose your data. |
| 11:52.22 | eshat | ok, well is there a possibilty to use swap-files instead of paritions ? |
| 11:52.30 | tvm | of course. |
| 11:53.11 | eshat | tvm: how to realize that ? |
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| 11:56.33 | tvm | eshat: use dd to create a file, mkswap to setup the file and swapon to enable it. |
| 11:57.07 | tvm | + you will need to edit fstab to automate mounting |
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| 12:00.53 | Little^John | Hi. Switched to debian recently, but used fedore for years. One thing got me wondering tho. Apache2 -S complain about missing APACHE_RUN_USER even though the file exists (http://pastebin.com/8tsrpx8y).. Is that normal? |
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| 12:03.57 | SPF | Little^John: isn't that a variable in /etc/apache2/envvars ? |
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| 12:04.54 | Little^John | it is!! thats why im wondering whats wrong :D |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/sysklogd' returned no results. |
| 12:05.24 | SPF | Little^John: maybe it is an invalid user, what error message do you get? |
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| 12:05.39 | Little^John | content here: http://pastebin.com/CyS4KKfx |
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| 12:07.02 | Little^John | no errors except this one (running apache2 manually - apache2ctl -S works). Apache works fine with 7 vhosts and modules |
| 12:07.28 | SPF | Little^John: I get the same, but apache2 is running fine |
| 12:07.46 | Little^John | strange |
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| 12:08.00 | SPF | I'm running more than 7 vhosts |
| 12:08.47 | Little^John | guess its meant to be then ... |
| 12:08.55 | SPF | you could ask in #httpd |
| 12:09.12 | Little^John | good call. ill do that. Thanks |
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| 12:21.50 | tux33 | what is the packages name of apache 1.3? |
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| 12:24.25 | abrotman | tux33: there are none .. it's not in Debian anymore |
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| 12:24.33 | abrotman | (thank goodness) |
| 12:24.39 | tux33 | thx |
| 12:24.46 | abrotman | And I beleive it's dead upstream also |
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| 12:30.45 | itchi | Hi all, are the wifi managers broken in Debian Squeeze? |
| 12:30.53 | alez{xmb{bottz}} | where is the addr to the deb on snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:31.06 | alez{xmb{bottz}} | itchi, tried wicd ? |
| 12:31.22 | itchi | alez{xmb{bottz}}: yeah, doesn't work anymore, nor knetwork |
| 12:31.27 | alez{xmb{bottz}} | k |
| 12:31.49 | itchi | alez{xmb{bottz}}: just did an update and no wifi anymore :( |
| 12:32.09 | aguitel | i am in squeeze with this graphics:Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02), googleearth is not working ,how fix ? |
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| 12:32.34 | alez{xmb{bottz}} | no idea for both |
| 12:32.38 | itchi | aguitel: Need to fix your 3D issue first? |
| 12:32.48 | itchi | aguitel: Is 3D working? |
| 12:33.18 | itchi | wlan0 is still there in ifconfig iwlist etc |
| 12:33.21 | abrotman | itchi: n-m works fine for me in squeeze |
| 12:33.37 | itchi | abrotman: i think there's an issue with the wpa part |
| 12:33.40 | aguitel | itchi, slow ,896 frames in 5.0 seconds = 179.107 FPS |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | itchi: you have logs ? |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | aguitel: glxinfo | grep -i direct .. what does it say? |
| 12:33.59 | itchi | wicd-gtk react little bit different now |
| 12:34.21 | itchi | aguitel: You should first fix your 3D issue then |
| 12:34.28 | itchi | abrotman: wicd doesn't log it seems |
| 12:34.34 | aguitel | itchi, say yes |
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| 12:34.57 | abrotman | itchi: in /var/log/ |
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| 12:35.09 | abrotman | itchi: he doesn't have a 3d issue? |
| 12:35.19 | abrotman | aguitel: what is the error that googleearth gives you ? |
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| 12:35.42 | aguitel | abrotman, no open |
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| 12:35.45 | itchi | abrotman: Dunno if he have, will be nice to first check if 3D is ok, as there is a googleearth issue |
| 12:35.57 | abrotman | itchi: he already did .. concentrate on your problem |
| 12:36.02 | abrotman | aguitel: try using strace |
| 12:36.05 | itchi | abrotman: ok :) |
| 12:36.21 | itchi | kinda shity with the to short wired cable here lol |
| 12:36.22 | aguitel | abrotman, what is this? |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | aguitel: did you use the debian installer for googleearth? or the package form them ? |
| 12:36.28 | abrotman | from them |
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| 12:37.10 | aguitel | abrotman, i downloaded .deb package |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | downloaded from where? |
| 12:37.42 | abrotman | and which version of Debian are you using ? |
| 12:37.48 | aguitel | abrotman, from medibuntu |
| 12:38.02 | aguitel | abrotman, i am in squeeze |
| 12:38.04 | itchi | abrotman: Got some fish: http://pastebin.ca/2019285 but that's not that helpful to me |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | aguitel: Why do you think a package for ubuntu would work on Debian ? |
| 12:38.49 | aguitel | abrotman, in other machine is working |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | itchi: that's kind of ugly .. look further up the file .. see if there is a primary issue |
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| 12:39.13 | abrotman | aguitel: strace googleearth .. or whatever it is called |
| 12:39.39 | aguitel | abrotman, ok i will delete googleearth and make it with debian way |
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| 12:44.47 | abrotman | aguitel: or use ldd to make sure you have all libraries installed that it wants |
| 12:48.22 | itchi | abrotman: i found some other info, more interesting i think: http://pastebin.ca/2019296 |
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| 12:49.03 | itchi | abrotman: What does that mean?: wpa_supplicant[5428]: No network configuration found for the current AP |
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| 12:49.36 | itchi | i din't do anything particular to wpa_supplicant. I just have put my wpa1 password in the wicd-gtk gui |
| 12:50.15 | abrotman | sounds like it has no idea what to do with your AP .. try to reconfigure your wifi with whatever tool you're using |
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| 12:50.57 | itchi | abrotman: ok, will try to find a way or notes on how to do in on cli as i don't recal that |
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| 12:53.50 | itchi | abrotman: I shouldn't do anything at wpasupplicant? |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 12:55.04 | frikinz | take care to not mix n-m and ifupdown scripts .. |
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| 13:02.38 | aguitel | abrotman, same problem |
| 13:02.51 | abrotman | aguitel: strace googleearth |
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| 13:03.06 | aguitel | abrotman, how strace? |
| 13:03.25 | abrotman | i said above |
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| 13:31.02 | D4rKr0W | does anyone remember how to move a directory into another overwriting the contents? |
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| 13:32.32 | dgram | mv -rf ? |
| 13:32.46 | dgram | the slightly kinder cousin of rm -rf |
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| 13:33.44 | stew | looks up what mv -r does |
| 13:34.13 | itchi | abrotman: well, still didn't found any fix, but in KDE wifi just work :( |
| 13:34.37 | itchi | abrotman: I have read on the web that it's due libnotify which aren't talking same version or somethings like that |
| 13:35.09 | itchi | And strangely enought, knetworkmanager in fluxbox just doesn't work as it work in kde |
| 13:35.37 | itchi | pfff, now i'm stuck to that ugly kde :( |
| 13:35.56 | stew | D4rKr0W: you want to merge the contents of the two directories? or replace one with the other? |
| 13:37.11 | D4rKr0W | stew: i want to merge the two dirs |
| 13:37.46 | stew | D4rKr0W: then you might "rsync -a source target" then delete source when you are satisfied |
| 13:38.30 | itchi | abrotman: source: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wireless-internet/112943-fedora-core-8-wlan-card-not-getting-activated-wpa_supplicant-initialization-failing.html |
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| 13:44.35 | belt | so, is there any simple way to "restore debian to its factory settings" without re-installing with a cd |
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| 13:45.24 | JordiGH | If a package doesn't do at all what it's supposed to, plus it regularly segfaults in addition to not working, I consider this serious, but reportbug wants me to say what part of Policy it violates. |
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| 13:47.26 | sep | JordiGH, it's not serious |
| 13:47.56 | abrotman | itchi: what? |
| 13:48.05 | JordiGH | Fine, is an Important bug RC-critical? This package shouldn't ship in squeeze. |
| 13:48.07 | sep | sounds like a normal or important bug. |
| 13:48.11 | itchi | abrotman: Dunno man, i'm trying to find a solution lol :P |
| 13:48.14 | JordiGH | lol |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | itchi: in gnome, i use network-manager, in lxde, i use wicd |
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| 13:48.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: what is the package? what is the bug#? |
| 13:48.39 | JordiGH | octave-symbolic |
| 13:48.42 | itchi | abrotman: Don't have lxde here yet |
| 13:48.43 | JordiGH | It's "my" own package. |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | itchi: i was telling you what *I* use |
| 13:49.03 | JordiGH | The bug is none of its commands work, they all throw a cryptic C++ exception, and eventually the thing makes Octave segfault. |
| 13:49.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: if it's your package, can't oyu just have it removed? |
| 13:49.13 | itchi | abrotman: no problem, it just remind me i need to try lxde ;-) |
| 13:49.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: you would file a Grave bug AIUI |
| 13:50.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 13:50.12 | belt | ?? hello |
| 13:50.24 | abrotman | HI! |
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| 13:50.34 | abrotman | Belt: which part od you want to reset? |
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| 13:50.47 | JordiGH | "or in the package maintainer's or release manager's opinion, makes the package unsuitable for release." |
| 13:50.56 | JordiGH | That's the clause I was looking for. |
| 13:51.02 | JordiGH | I guess I'm reading that "or" incorrectly. |
| 13:51.08 | abrotman | JordiGH: you really want Grave IMO |
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| 13:51.30 | belt | abrotman: i want to reset the entire installation to the way it was when i first installed it |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | everything?! |
| 13:51.38 | belt | everything. |
| 13:51.42 | stew | JordiGH: it sounds like it should be severity grave, not serious |
| 13:51.59 | stew | JordiGH: "renders package unusable" |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 13:52.15 | JordiGH | Fine, fine. |
| 13:52.17 | stew | oh indeed |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | i said it twice! :) |
| 13:52.30 | sep | JordiGH, Removal bugs should thus be filed as severity "normal"; quote from http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals |
| 13:52.45 | belt | i tried aptitude reinstall '~i' as instructed by dpkg |
| 13:52.49 | belt | (the bot) |
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| 13:52.57 | abrotman | Belt: that reinstalls packages, not conf files |
| 13:53.15 | JordiGH | Well, I have a little hope to be able to fix the package before release, so I don't want to file a removal bug; I want to file the actual bug. |
| 13:53.18 | belt | well if i could just get the packages to the way they were when i installed, that would be sufficient |
| 13:53.30 | abrotman | Belt: you want to remove extra files? |
| 13:53.38 | belt | bah |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | extra packages i meant |
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| 13:53.57 | belt | let me think |
| 13:54.19 | belt | i might be able to fix it..just let me fiddle with it some more |
| 13:54.21 | belt | brb |
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| 14:01.07 | tux33 | why is ssl not starting with apache on debian ? |
| 14:01.13 | tux33 | at me |
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| 14:01.33 | JordiGH | tux33: What do the error logs say? |
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| 14:03.34 | tux33 | Secure Connection Failed |
| 14:03.39 | eplison_ | did you generate cert and configured apache to run ssl on 443? |
| 14:03.43 | stew | tux33: perhaps you need to "a2enmod ssl"? |
| 14:04.30 | tux33 | yes i cret a cert and it is at the right place |
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| 14:04.57 | tux33 | module ssl already enabled |
| 14:05.38 | sec_goat | I had to reboot my machine because it was not responding to incoming netwrok requests, it could go out however. When I rebooted it came up and said Xserver failed to load. I cannot log onto the console, but i can SSH in. Is there any way I can look into tthe xserver failure from my ssh connection? |
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| 14:05.42 | tux33 | in the log is not error |
| 14:05.55 | stew | tux33: is it actually talking http on a port you are expecting it to talk https on? |
| 14:06.03 | tux33 | yes |
| 14:06.17 | stew | tux33: you need "SSLEngine on" in that VirtualHost |
| 14:06.26 | tux33 | ok |
| 14:06.32 | tux33 | thx |
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| 14:06.46 | stew | tux33: (and, of course, SSLCertificateFile, SSLCertificateKeyFile) |
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| 14:08.56 | tux33 | ok |
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| 14:10.49 | tux33 | now i get from the browser Unable to cinnect |
| 14:10.53 | tux33 | connect |
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| 14:13.32 | nirazio | How to move the encrypted home directory to another partition? |
| 14:13.38 | oligeedong | hello all, is unetbootin working properly at the moment for usb unstable netinstlall => acer aspire one |
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| 14:14.41 | stew | oligeedong: did you check the bts? |
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| 14:14.57 | stew | tux33: is apache actually running? does "apache2ctl configtest" return OK ? |
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| 14:15.16 | oligeedong | stew: sorry stew, what's bts? |
| 14:15.24 | stew | !bts |
| 14:15.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:15.43 | oligeedong | stew: thanks for the info |
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| 14:16.15 | itchi | abrotman: wicd-gtk doesn't work with lxde here |
| 14:16.33 | itchi | abrotman: But lxde with knetworkmanager does |
| 14:16.54 | JordiGH | Can we get mod_rewrite working on the bts already? |
| 14:17.08 | JordiGH | Kinda ugly to redirect b.d.o/666666 to a horrible query string. |
| 14:17.54 | nirazio | Hello can anyone help me???How to move the encrypted home directory to another partition? |
| 14:17.55 | stew | JordiGH: check the bugs.debian.org pseudo-package and consider filing a wishlist bug |
| 14:18.29 | JordiGH | stew: I can do mod_rewrite myself, that's a pretty easy fix. But I guess I don't even know whom to talk to. |
| 14:18.57 | stew | JordiGH: talk to a bug against the bugs.debian.org pseudo-package |
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| 14:19.04 | tux33 | i get a error Address already in use make sock count not bind to address [::]:443 |
| 14:19.15 | stew | tux33: you already have apache running and you need to stop it first |
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| 14:20.07 | stew | tux33: or something running. "netsstat -plnt | grep :443" might tell you what is using that port. |
| 14:20.46 | JordiGH | Now, is there a packagename that is only numbers? |
| 14:20.57 | JordiGH | wonders if anyone is perverse enough. |
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| 14:23.06 | JordiGH | Yay, 156 bugs filed against b.d.o |
| 14:23.14 | JordiGH | I'M SURELY GONNA GET NOTICED THIS WAY. |
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| 14:23.41 | Rienzilla | how many did you fix? :) |
| 14:24.02 | JordiGH | I want to fix one. |
| 14:24.08 | JordiGH | I guess it's #567405 |
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| 14:24.17 | stew | JordiGH: no, every package name has at least one letter |
| 14:24.32 | tux33 | netstat -plnt | grep :443 |
| 14:24.32 | tux33 | tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 8772/apache2 |
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| 14:25.16 | JordiGH | http://bugs.debian.org/bugs.debian.org <--- what a weird URL :-) |
| 14:25.19 | ragnar_de | hi all |
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| 14:26.58 | ragnar_de | i needed a special windows prog so i installed windows 7 but i've forget grub2. how do get back to linux now? |
| 14:27.59 | Rienzilla | install grub |
| 14:28.07 | Rienzilla | easiest way is to boot from a live cd |
| 14:28.10 | Rienzilla | and install grub from there |
| 14:28.39 | JordiGH | I wonder if MSFT will ever fix that bug. It acknowledges the existence of OSes other than Windows nowadays. |
| 14:29.46 | ragnar_de | and releases oss drivers for the new kinect thing |
| 14:30.17 | Bushmills | i suppose they could be sued, for molest |
| 14:31.58 | ragnar_de | hmmm... has debian any live cd? |
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| 14:32.28 | gusnan | ragnar_de, live.debian.net |
| 14:34.37 | belt | booooooooooole |
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| 14:35.27 | stew | ragnar_de: the installer has a rescue mode which would also help here |
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| 14:40.15 | Seb | from the top of your head, what would cause "ssh -Y me@localhost firefox" to be hella slow (flash player for isntance), while a regularly launched firefox is not at all ? |
| 14:40.23 | Seb | same "em" account, everything on localhost |
| 14:41.13 | ragnar_de | bye for a while. booting from live cd |
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| 14:45.39 | Trewas | Seb: ssh encrypts/decrypts all the X protocol stuff which does the actual UI updating, for animations and such it can be quite a lot... also some of the X extensions (shared memory, xvideo, etc) might not go through ssh and it has to fall back on something slower |
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| 14:46.48 | Seb | Trewas: it's interesting i'm not seeing this behavior on my other laptop |
| 14:47.04 | Seb | Trewas: how would you suggest I go about figuring out what the difference may be ? |
| 14:48.21 | Trewas | Seb: maybe start by checking the cpu-usage, is it actually cpu-limited or if it is something else |
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| 14:50.07 | Seb | Trewas: the cpu usage is high in both cases (plugin-container at around 80%, and firefox/xorg using ther remaining 20%) |
| 14:50.18 | Seb | but in one case the video renders horribly, and in the other it doesn't :) |
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| 14:51.40 | Trewas | Seb: bu the way, if you are already running firefox and then do that ssh -Y command, it will use the 'local' version and not go through ssh |
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| 14:52.08 | Seb | Trewas: i noticed, so i used a different user |
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| 14:52.56 | Trewas | sorry, I don't have any good guesses then :) |
| 14:53.11 | Derick | hello. after I've downloaded source with "apt-get source php5" â which tool/command do I run to apply all patches (without building the package) |
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| 14:54.45 | Seb | Trewas: np, thanks for the help so far :) |
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| 14:56.13 | ragnar_de | hi again |
| 14:56.53 | ragnar_de | that was easy, boot from live cd in rescue mode, start a shell and grub-install /dev/sda. it works! :) thx |
| 14:57.04 | stew | Derick: try "debian/rules patch" |
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| 14:58.09 | Derick | stew: cheers, worked fine after install quilt! |
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| 15:26.05 | ttiicc | anyone who couls recommend another desktop environment than gnome which would be a little more eye candish! |
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| 15:27.17 | ethanol | ok, just curious, what is the purpose of cron.log if my syslog is also still flooded with exactly the same content? |
| 15:27.19 | ethanol | :< |
| 15:27.41 | stew | ethanol: cron.log is not flooded with other content |
| 15:27.43 | phaer | ttiicc: You can have a lot off eye candy with gnome if you play around a bit. |
| 15:27.47 | phaer | *of |
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| 15:28.00 | ethanol | stew: yeah, thank god. so why does my syslog still duplicate this content though? |
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| 15:29.09 | stew | ethanol: syslog is typically configured to catch *.* so no messages are ever lost |
| 15:29.19 | stew | ethanol: you can, of course, reconfigure this stuff to your own liking |
| 15:29.31 | ethanol | stew: isn't there a way to make *.* only catch stuff that wasn't caught yet? |
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| 15:30.01 | stew | ethanol: i don't know |
| 15:30.12 | ethanol | I notice auth log entries dont appear in syslog |
| 15:30.17 | ethanol | they are defined before *.* |
| 15:30.20 | oligeedong | between testing and sid, which one you guys prefer? |
| 15:30.39 | ethanol | would moving the other entries rsyslog.conf to above *.* prevent them from being duplicated to syslog also? |
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| 15:31.29 | ethanol | or actually, it maybe be because of a different reason. rsyslog.conf contains "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog" is the ; seperator listing logs to exclude? |
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| 15:39.34 | h3sp4wn | What is the best way to install Debian (squeeze) over a serial console ? (I would expect there is a sensible way I just haven't managed to find it) |
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| 15:42.21 | joltcan | ethanol: ask the man file for rsyslog? |
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| 15:44.20 | mguy | h3sp4wn: run the installer from serial or actually install it over a serial line? |
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| 15:44.55 | h3sp4wn | mguy: Install it over serial |
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| 15:45.19 | mguy | Like actually transfer the files etc over the serial line? |
| 15:45.24 | h3sp4wn | No no |
| 15:45.36 | h3sp4wn | debian installer with console=ttyS0 |
| 15:46.20 | h3sp4wn | Cannot see anything official but this looks relatively sane - http://www.hacom.net/kb/debian-installer-serial-console-support |
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| 15:47.08 | BLZbubba | debian squeeze firefox defaults to some crazy african language; is there an easy way to change this? |
| 15:47.09 | mguy | That should do it |
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| 15:48.06 | Derick__ | about my 'slow install problem', there is a difference between default and RT kernel indeed! |
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| 15:48.24 | Derick__ | how do I check if swap is enabled in the kernel? |
| 15:48.52 | mguy | Derick__: Explain you slow install some more |
| 15:48.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.50 | Derick__ | petemc, thanks |
| 15:51.28 | Derick__ | mguy, when I install libboost-dev while running a RT kernel, installation takes minuts, default kernel is normal |
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| 15:52.06 | Derick__ | I have this with some other packages, but most are installing as I was used to.... |
| 15:53.14 | Derick__ | swap seems to be enable in the RT kernel |
| 15:53.22 | Derick__ | *enabled |
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| 16:03.03 | itchi | Someone tried that firefox 4 already? I'm interested in the webgl stuff it got |
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| 16:05.20 | andares | hey, how do I change the interface language? |
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| 16:05.33 | andares | like, it's in English atm, but I want to make everything Russian. |
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| 16:05.48 | cicianos | hi all |
| 16:05.57 | cicianos | can you tell me if there is a channel about debian packaging_ |
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| 16:05.59 | cicianos | ? |
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| 16:06.14 | damog | cicianos: #debian-devel @ OFTC |
| 16:06.19 | cicianos | damog: thx |
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| 16:06.37 | stew | cicianos: perhaps #debian-mentors is better, depending on what you are after |
| 16:06.47 | stew | damog: aloha! |
| 16:06.50 | damog | waves at stew |
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| 16:10.13 | cicianos | stew: kk |
| 16:10.22 | cicianos | hi all |
| 16:10.33 | cicianos | asd is the same channel |
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| 16:10.55 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 16:11.04 | hramrach_ | where do I get oldstable packages? |
| 16:11.07 | cicianos | anyway I ll try to write here |
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| 16:11.49 | stew | hramrach_: since etch is EOL and no longer supported, it was moved to archive.debian.org |
| 16:12.36 | hramrach_ | is there a handy bot which would tell me package versions in there? |
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| 16:13.19 | cicianos | I create a .deb from a tarball but when I try to do dpkg -i it says only: Preparing to replace Mypackage (using mypackage.deb) ... Unpacking replacement mypackage... setting up mypackage ... |
| 16:13.34 | cicianos | how can I know if the package is installed and most of all.. where is installed |
| 16:13.36 | cicianos | ? |
| 16:13.40 | stew | hramrach_: /msg judd info packagename --release etch |
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| 16:14.16 | stew | cicianos: "dpkg -l pacakgename" will tell you what version of a package is installed, which should tell you if you have your version or the old version |
| 16:14.26 | stew | cicianos: "dpkg -L packagename" will show you the contents |
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| 16:15.22 | cicianos | stew: with packagename you mean packagename.deb? |
| 16:15.39 | stew | no, just the name of a package |
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| 16:16.08 | stew | cicianos: typically a .deb is named "packagename_version_arch.deb" i'm just talking about the packagename part |
| 16:16.09 | cicianos | stew: cool I have found it |
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| 16:16.22 | hramrach_ | stew: thanks |
| 16:16.32 | cicianos | stew: yep I found it, thank you very much! |
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| 16:24.17 | V|jeev4 | Any idea how i can fix http://www.pastebin.ca/2019457 ? Thanks |
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| 16:26.53 | _julian | hi |
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| 16:27.25 | _julian | is it possible to use a kernel from experimental, but staying with squeeze packes for all the rest of the system? |
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| 16:27.49 | petemc | V|jeev4: the usual answer to that is to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:27.57 | V|jeev4 | tried that |
| 16:27.59 | V|jeev4 | didnt work |
| 16:28.14 | petemc | where did you get the kernel you're running? |
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| 16:28.59 | V|jeev4 | "ready-to-go" distribution |
| 16:28.59 | stew | petemc: this isn't /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build missing, /lib/modules/$(uname -r) is actually missing. don't know what that means |
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| 16:29.03 | V|jeev4 | ISPConfig 3 |
| 16:29.08 | V|jeev4 | from ovh.co.uk |
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| 16:30.34 | stew | V|jeev4: does /boot/config-$(uname -r) exist? |
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| 16:31.26 | V|jeev4 | bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32 |
| 16:31.31 | V|jeev4 | /boot has that |
| 16:31.36 | V|jeev4 | System.map-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32 |
| 16:32.10 | stew | V|jeev4: but not config-$version ? |
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| 16:33.10 | V|jeev4 | nope |
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| 16:34.49 | stew | V|jeev4: this seems like something that needs to be worked out with either ovh.co.uk's support or vmware.com/support |
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| 16:38.26 | _julian | I just tried to install linux-headers-2.6.37-rc5-amd64, but it fails due to missing linux-kbuild-2.6.37 - is this known? |
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| 16:39.21 | stew | _julian: its expected: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 16:39.57 | _julian | stew: actually I don't want to rebuild the kernel, but only have the headers for building additional modules |
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| 16:40.31 | LoonaTick | Hi, I'm creating a tar archive to backup a folder with a couple of million files in it. Each day of updates, I put in a different .tar file, using tar -rf. -r appends the new files at the end of the archive. Does anyone know a way to insert in the archive that the file was removed? eg, incremental backup .tar can contain 'a.jpg', after a couple of new files 'a.jpg', and then 'a.jpg' was removed. |
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| 16:40.48 | _julian | stew: ok, I see kbuild building instructions (c: |
| 16:40.49 | stew | _julian: keep reading. it explains how you can build linux-kbuild-2.6 yourself |
| 16:40.49 | _julian | thanks |
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| 16:44.13 | Farkie | Hey - Which installer would I need for an intel i686 |
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| 16:44.55 | vtts | LoonaTick, maybe rdiff-backup could suit your needs? |
| 16:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | Farkie: i386 includes the 686 |
| 16:45.04 | Farkie | Ty :) |
| 16:45.31 | Farkie | Gunna put Xen on it, so should i use the multi-arch, or will the i386 work fine? |
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| 16:45.43 | Farkie | "# The multi-arch CD image supports i386/amd64/powerpc; the installation is similar to installing from a single architecture netinst image. This image also supports installing XEN instances, but only for i386 and amd64." |
| 16:45.45 | LoonaTick | vtts: (reading documentation, thanks) |
| 16:46.07 | emit | what's the difference between packages foomatic-db-gutenprint and foomatic-db? gutenprint is #2 in my dpigs list... do i need it to print? |
| 16:46.12 | _julian | stew: this generated ../orig/linux-kbuild-2.6_2.6.36.orig.tar.gz - I used VERSION=2.6.37-rc5... seems something is wrong!? |
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| 16:46.54 | LoonaTick | vtts: This won't work, because listing the files only takes several hours (days) to complete. I have a script that updates the files, so it won't need to list them. |
| 16:47.04 | h3sp4wn | Farkie: THat implies to me its for installing domU's |
| 16:47.55 | jhutchins_lt | emit: gutenprint is a collection of filters for various printers. |
| 16:48.24 | Farkie | h3sp4wn: What do you mean |
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| 16:48.58 | cire | dmesg tells me ata8 had errors. How do I know which device that is? |
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| 16:50.05 | h3sp4wn | Farkie: Just use the normal installer and then install the xen-linux-system metapackage after |
| 16:50.16 | Farkie | for squeeze? |
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| 16:50.48 | bassliner | when i want to replace the installed libc6 (ubuntu-9) with a libc6 (ubuntu-6), what's the correct way to do so? |
| 16:51.02 | h3sp4wn | Farkie: Yeah - that other image I guess can install xen domU's |
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| 16:51.11 | stew | bassliner: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 16:52.35 | Farkie | does it really need 4 dvd's to install? |
| 16:52.43 | bassliner | stew: it's probably like i want to downgrade an installed package in debian, but i can see why effort is missing to support ubuntu here. |
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| 16:52.56 | bassliner | Farkie: no. |
| 16:53.05 | h3sp4wn | Farkie: Just get the netinstall presuming you have a relatively decent connection (that is the whole repo) |
| 16:53.06 | bassliner | Farkie: you're very likely fine with a minimal netinstall iso. |
| 16:53.06 | emit | use the net installer |
| 16:53.07 | stew | bassliner: sorry, we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 16:53.29 | stew | Farkie: the DVDs are intended to be useful to help people get packages onto machines that cannot get onto a network to fetch them |
| 16:53.38 | Farkie | ah fair enough |
| 16:53.43 | Farkie | gunna say, bit overkill |
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| 16:54.02 | h3sp4wn | Farkie: Not many distro's even give you the option |
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| 16:54.20 | tharkun | bassliner: the devil is in the details. Things that do work for debian break up on ubuntu and viceversa |
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| 16:55.37 | bassliner | tharkun: i know and i'm used to the fact debian ppl tend to not attempt to help with ubuntu specific questions, but it still wouldn't make a difference if i try that on debian or ubuntu as it is package manager or repository manager specific. |
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| 16:56.37 | stew | bassliner: yes it would |
| 16:57.00 | tharkun | bassliner: package manager of an especific distro. Which then makes the details all the more important |
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| 16:57.36 | _julian | stew: using this script: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=build-linux-kbuild.sh, I get "Invalid debian linux version" |
| 16:58.20 | bassliner | tharkun, stew: nvm, thanks anyways. |
| 16:59.04 | nsadmin | , versions ruby |
| 16:59.06 | judd | Package ruby on i386 -- etch: 1.8.2-1; lenny: 4.2; sid: 4.5; squeeze: 4.5 |
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| 16:59.44 | stew | _julian: which line gives you that error? did you change 2.6.36 to 2.6.37? seems like you probably should |
| 16:59.57 | _julian | stew: I change to 2.6.37-rc5 |
| 17:00.14 | _julian | line 135 in genorig.py gives the error |
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| 17:01.37 | stew | _julian: since - is the character used to separate the debian part of the version from the upstream version, I'd not be suprised if -rc5 is confusing it |
| 17:01.48 | _julian | stew: hm, ok.. |
| 17:01.51 | stew | _julian: but without seeing genorig.py, i don't know |
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| 17:03.17 | LoonaTick | Hi, I'm creating a tar archive to backup a folder with a couple of million files in it. Each day of updates, I put in a different .tar file, using tar -rf. -r appends the new files at the end of the archive. Does anyone know a way to insert in the archive that the file was removed? eg, incremental backup .tar can contain 'a.jpg', after a couple of new files 'a.jpg', and then 'a.jpg' was removed. |
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| 17:13.06 | h3sp4wn | Anyone know why grub2 doesn't install properly (squeeze) linux softraid 1 (selected to install to mbr is that not valid ?) |
| 17:13.50 | h3sp4wn | (I have an ext2 /boot and ext4 /) both on softraid1 somehow still comes up with grub 0.97 (but borked) |
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| 17:16.37 | Tatsh | i would like to install python-daemon but i'm getting an unmet dependencies error |
| 17:16.44 | Tatsh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304825/ |
| 17:16.56 | Tatsh | python-lockfile and python-support |
| 17:16.57 | pipeline | LoonaTick: I think what you want is at extraction time, use --recursive-unlink |
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| 17:18.01 | stew | Tatsh: are you intending to run lenny aka stable or squeeze aka testing? |
| 17:18.09 | Tatsh | stable |
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| 17:18.14 | stew | Tatsh: it looks like currently you mix the two |
| 17:18.35 | stew | Tatsh: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 python-deamon python-lockfile" ? |
| 17:18.55 | WormFood | is there a "debian way" to change the order of the startup scripts? (I've simply renamed the links to reflect the order I want them to start in) |
| 17:19.00 | Tatsh | sources http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304826/ |
| 17:19.33 | Tatsh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304828/ |
| 17:20.22 | stew | Tatsh: uhh, sorry, i misspelled python-daemon |
| 17:20.51 | Tatsh | corrected, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/304829/ |
| 17:21.13 | stew | Tatsh: and what command are you using to try to install python-daemon? |
| 17:21.23 | Tatsh | apt-get install python-daemon |
| 17:21.48 | stew | Tatsh: i'd recommend "aptitude -t lenny-backports install python-daemon" |
| 17:23.03 | Tatsh | works |
| 17:23.10 | Tatsh | thanks |
| 17:23.28 | Tatsh | anything i can run that can quickly check things are overall okay in this configuration? |
| 17:23.33 | Tatsh | i'm normally used to gentoo |
| 17:23.42 | stew | Tatsh: you might also considering pinning lenny-backports to 200 or so so that you get upgrades. see the instructions page at backports.debian.org |
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| 17:31.14 | doublehp | how can i move some emails from a remote IMAP server, to a local existing mbox , using non interactive script ? |
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| 17:32.38 | llutz | doublehp: http://www.athensfbc.com/imap_tools/ |
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| 17:34.10 | km | what is the minmun recommended ram for 64bit system? |
| 17:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: fetchmail |
| 17:34.56 | doublehp | km: 32M |
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| 17:35.22 | km | i was told 2gb |
| 17:35.23 | doublehp | km: installer will work very hardly with 16M |
| 17:35.53 | doublehp | km: depends what you need to do; depending on softwares, 64b usually need twice more RAM than 32b ... |
| 17:36.06 | km | running 64bit linux |
| 17:36.15 | doublehp | km: bad softs don't use advantages of 64b, and loose the high 32b part ... lossing memory |
| 17:36.26 | km | that what i hear |
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| 17:36.42 | doublehp | km: really, it depends on which softwares |
| 17:36.54 | stew | km: the install guilde will give you a minumum, which I believe is 64mb of ram. that is a bare minimum though. you'd not want to browse the web with a configuration like that however |
| 17:36.55 | doublehp | km: high end softs are properly coded; small softs are not |
| 17:37.14 | km | server stuffs like mysql, apache, tomcat |
| 17:37.37 | doublehp | km: Debian can run on 32M if you do nothing. 1T may not suffice if you run a very big server |
| 17:37.41 | stew | km: then you want tons more ram depending on how much traffic |
| 17:38.00 | doublehp | km: iddle services don't use much ram |
| 17:38.04 | stew | km: mysql runs much faster when allowed to use more ram |
| 17:38.33 | km | 2-4gb perhaps |
| 17:38.37 | doublehp | stew: more ram means, more cached pages, and less disk acess |
| 17:38.49 | doublehp | km: alternative answer: as much as you can buy :) |
| 17:38.52 | stew | doublehp: i'm well aware |
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| 17:39.49 | km | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.50 | doublehp | km: i do intensive desktoping ... and never use more than 2.5 G out of 4 (firefox with 30 tabs, thunderbird with 12 accounts, OOo, Gimp ... ) |
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| 17:40.11 | km | it should be to scale the ram |
| 17:40.17 | km | be easy... |
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| 17:40.34 | stew | km: you are going to want to reconfigure mysql. the stock configuration is for very small amounts of ram |
| 17:40.42 | doublehp | km: any way, ALWAYS buy big sticks, and keep half slots empty on the day you buy the machine |
| 17:41.18 | doublehp | km: if you run out of mem, you won't have to through sticks and replace them with bigger; when you set up the box, always keep a few slots empty |
| 17:41.36 | km | i noticed some/most 64bit OSs recommended 2gb min |
| 17:42.11 | thewanderer1 | km: use how much you need. there are no recommendations. |
| 17:42.22 | km | i see |
| 17:42.28 | thewanderer1 | (besides, it's possible to strip down almost every OS to use less memory) |
| 17:43.11 | doublehp | km: depends on the use, REALLY. BillG said ages ago that no OS would ever need more tha 64k; Vista 64 now hardly boot with less than 4G ... a simple apache+Mysql may do with 512M. |
| 17:43.35 | km | i guess that will do for customize os |
| 17:44.01 | km | i see... |
| 17:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | We just upgraded our lamp server to 4G because it was swapping. Significant improvement in performance now that it's out of swap. |
| 17:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | We run 32b on it because we don't actually do anything that uses really big chunks of ram, just a lot of small ones. |
| 17:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | 64b does require more ram than 32b due to addresses being twice as long. |
| 17:45.43 | macrobat | if i cp a directory of files and there is a file that can't be copied, will cp just skip that one or stop completely? |
| 17:45.55 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: only for some apps that are not optimised for 64b |
| 17:46.17 | doublehp | in some case, using 64b make some apps use less RAM |
| 17:46.18 | km | yes, biger pipe line need more water to fill, hehe... |
| 17:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: 99% of apps arent, but it still takes twice as many bits to write a 64b address as a 32. |
| 17:47.04 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: do you know that modern 64b do not use 64b adresses ? |
| 17:47.37 | comradekingu1 | with a start and a stop bit that doesnt scale |
| 17:47.47 | doublehp | unlike Alpha and Sun which are true 64b, AMD64 and Intel 64b (except things like Itanium which is also true 64) ... only use 48b adresses !!! |
| 17:48.03 | doublehp | or maybe even 42, forgot details |
| 17:48.16 | stew | address sizes : 38 bits physical, 48 bits virtual |
| 17:48.31 | doublehp | that sux anyway |
| 17:48.37 | pipeline | doublehp: 48 bits is more memory than you will be able to address before the shitty RoHS solder in your system goes bad |
| 17:48.53 | doublehp | bet ? |
| 17:49.03 | pipeline | doublehp: it would take so long to read/write 48 bits of memory that you might actually lose the solder just testing the memory at boot :D |
| 17:49.24 | doublehp | pipeline: true 64b allow to map a full cluster per box |
| 17:49.35 | pipeline | map a full cluster of what |
| 17:49.36 | doublehp | 48b limits you to map only your own local ressources |
| 17:49.44 | pipeline | 256 terabytes is enough to map a pretty big god damn cluster |
| 17:49.56 | doublehp | 1024 computers of 128 CPU each for example ... |
| 17:50.05 | pipeline | that's a nonsense example |
| 17:50.13 | pipeline | because it doesn't exist |
| 17:50.15 | doublehp | it happens :) |
| 17:50.18 | pipeline | and won't exist before this generation of hardware is gone |
| 17:50.21 | doublehp | it does :) |
| 17:50.39 | pipeline | not as a single system image it sure as shit doesn't |
| 17:50.42 | doublehp | Sun sells 1024 CPU machines |
| 17:50.57 | pipeline | ...which do not ship with 256T of ram, and do not run Linux. |
| 17:51.03 | doublehp | SGI did a 92 CPU small box thi year |
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| 17:51.09 | pipeline | It wasn't SSI. |
| 17:51.14 | pipeline | It was just a cluster of SBCs running linux. |
| 17:51.18 | pipeline | not even a cluster |
| 17:51.20 | pipeline | just a bunch of machines in a box |
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| 17:51.37 | pipeline | and certainly not equippable with 2T of RAM |
| 17:51.44 | pipeline | in fact, IIRC, you couldn't even get a single terabyte, much less 256 |
| 17:51.47 | doublehp | any way, with only 48b, you can only map local ressources, and this is really boring. only true 64b allow to map the whole network |
| 17:51.59 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, I believe we have strayed from the Debian Support topic, could we continue in #debian-offtopic or #hardware? |
| 17:52.00 | bzrk | doublehp: no one cares |
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| 17:53.14 | stew | yes, so, to the original question, you need somewhere between 32mb and 256tb of memory |
| 17:53.32 | km | hehe.... |
| 17:53.35 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:54.05 | Posterdati | please how can I check for a file belongs to a package |
| 17:54.06 | pipeline | haha |
| 17:54.06 | Posterdati | ? |
| 17:54.07 | Posterdati | thanks |
| 17:54.22 | km | not sure if can run/install out of box rhel64 with 32mb |
| 17:54.24 | pipeline | Posterdati: apt-file is a tool that keeps a database. To just list the contents of an existing package, dpkg -L |
| 17:54.24 | stew | Posterdati: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 17:54.42 | WormFood | is there a "debian way" to change the order of the startup scripts? (I've simply renamed the links to reflect the order I want them to start in) |
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| 17:54.57 | thewanderer1 | km: you sure as hell can install Debian on that (although you need swap during the installation) and run it :P |
| 17:55.03 | thewanderer1 | (I should know, I did it) |
| 17:55.22 | stew | WormFood: which init system do you use? |
| 17:55.32 | stew | WormFood: which version of debian? |
| 17:55.38 | WormFood | squeeze |
| 17:56.04 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.39 | stew | WormFood: is insserv installed? |
| 17:56.45 | Posterdati | stew, pipeline thanks |
| 17:56.57 | WormFood | does not appear to be |
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| 17:57.27 | bzrk | WormFood: try man update-rc.d |
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| 17:57.50 | Posterdati | stew, pipeline: I'm trying to make sysv-rc working :) |
| 17:57.56 | stew | WormFood: is sysv-rc installed? |
| 17:58.17 | Posterdati | stew, pipeline: dependency based boot :) |
| 17:58.53 | stew | yes, sysv-rc in squeeze depends on insserv which is dependency based, which is why I'm asking, because WormFood is going to find that his changes are overwritten... |
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| 18:00.35 | Posterdati | stew, pipeline: what is insserv? |
| 18:00.46 | WormFood | sysv-rc sysvinit is installed, and insserv is not...and I see the description on insserv, and it sounds like what I want/need (yes, changing the order of the scripts from how I currently have it, is bad for my setup) |
| 18:01.14 | stew | WormFood: you have an old sysv-rc then, you should probably update to the current version, which will pull in insserv |
| 18:01.22 | stew | WormFood: however, then you won't just be able to reorder the symlinks |
| 18:01.50 | Posterdati | stew: I updated, but sysv-rc config stopped itself with errors |
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| 18:02.48 | WormFood | stew, but then, insserv will let me change the order, right? |
| 18:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | Posterdati: Why do you want to mess up the boot order? |
| 18:04.31 | Posterdati | jhutchins_lt: I don't want to do that |
| 18:04.46 | Posterdati | jhutchins_lt: I just only did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.48 | jhutchins_lt | It seems you already have. |
| 18:04.52 | stew | WormFood: no, insserv will calculate a boot order based on the dependencies declared in the init scripts themselves |
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| 18:05.08 | stew | Posterdati: show us the errors |
| 18:05.12 | stew | Posterdati: (use a pastebin) |
| 18:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | Posterdati: Sorry it seems to be WormFood who's messing with his boot order. |
| 18:05.22 | stew | WormFood: what is your actual goal with reordering the init scripts |
| 18:05.43 | WormFood | I need to have openvpn start before mysql, because it logs to mysql |
| 18:05.59 | WormFood | oops...I said that backwards |
| 18:06.01 | Posterdati | stew: http://pastebin.com/VbwFvF0L |
| 18:06.14 | WormFood | I need mysql to start before openvpn, because openvpn logs to mysql |
| 18:06.20 | Posterdati | stew: is it ok? |
| 18:06.28 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble with a wireless card dropping connections. Dunno if it's the card, or the fact that the poor computer is 500MHz and trying to use WPA2 -- but it's often able to work for some period of time, and then it just drops |
| 18:06.42 | stew | WormFood: then you'd change the openvpn init script to say that it must start after mysql and insserv will take care of the rest |
| 18:06.47 | WormFood | and by default, it is the opposite way of what I need....is that a good reason to reorder the boot sequence? ;P |
| 18:06.52 | Vasistha | !rtl-wifi |
| 18:06.53 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B supported as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
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| 18:07.37 | stew | Posterdati: are you only partially upgraded to squeeze? |
| 18:07.43 | WormFood | I'll have to read up on this insserv...it sounds more sophisticated compared to the current way of doing things. |
| 18:07.51 | Posterdati | stew: no, it's a full upgrade |
| 18:08.00 | Posterdati | stew: from lenny |
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| 18:08.25 | Posterdati | stew: on another lenny I reinstalled every single packages in the error and it worked |
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| 18:08.41 | stew | Posterdati: purge any of the "removed but not purged" pacakges for which you are ok with deleting all the config files |
| 18:08.44 | stew | Posterdati: then try again |
| 18:08.50 | stew | Posterdati: this type of thing is kind of expected |
| 18:09.05 | Posterdati | stew: I can achieve that? |
| 18:09.10 | stew | Posterdati: yes? |
| 18:09.16 | Posterdati | stew: I can purge a removed package? |
| 18:09.21 | stew | yes |
| 18:09.28 | Posterdati | stew: how? |
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| 18:09.57 | stew | Posterdati: "aptitude purge packagename". note that it means you are deleting the configuration, so if you ever reinstall it, it would have to be configured from scratch again |
| 18:10.03 | d4rkm1st | apt-get --purge <packagename> |
| 18:10.21 | stew | d4rkm1st: you mean apt-get --purge remove <pacakgename> |
| 18:10.30 | d4rkm1st | right, sorry |
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| 18:11.15 | Posterdati | stew: but I have to remove them |
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| 18:11.26 | stew | Posterdati: you have to remove what? |
| 18:11.35 | Posterdati | stew: to purge |
| 18:11.41 | stew | Posterdati: they are already removed |
| 18:11.59 | Posterdati | stew: mmmmh |
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| 18:12.39 | Posterdati | stew: ok doing a package at time :) |
| 18:12.49 | stew | you can do many at a time |
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| 18:14.09 | Posterdati | stew: ok |
| 18:14.19 | Posterdati | stew: I'm doing several at a time |
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| 18:19.57 | Posterdati | Capitan_Findus: che hai i bastoncini ar culo? |
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| 18:20.45 | Capitan_Findus | Posterdati: si, e tu il cervello di un merluzzo |
| 18:20.58 | manhunter | hi,when would we get the final version of debian installer? if we get final version of debian installer will the debian squeeze be stable then? |
| 18:21.37 | manhunter | is final release of debian installer relative to stable debian squeeze ? |
| 18:21.47 | manhunter | related to |
| 18:22.07 | stew | manhunter: its a pre-requisite to a release, but no, its existence doesn't actually trigger a release |
| 18:23.23 | stew | manhunter: perhaps you should look at the latest news from the release team: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/12/msg00002.html |
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| 18:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: It would be useful to have a working installer when the final release happens. |
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| 18:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | ...so people could, y'know, install it. |
| 18:29.11 | Vasistha | after downloading about 10MB, my wireless card drops the connection, and I have to reconnect. What's really funky is that according to iwconfig, it's still associated with the AP. I just have to ifdown/ifup the static ip connection |
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| 18:29.37 | jordanm | Vasistha: anything interesting in dmesg? |
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| 18:31.33 | Vasistha | jordanm: well, /var/log/dmesg hasn't been touched for 45 minutes, and I've disconnected/reconnected many times since then |
| 18:31.36 | manhunter | stew, give a specific answer |
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| 18:32.13 | Vasistha | maybe kern.log is a better place to look, or system.log or something |
| 18:32.26 | dutchfish | hi, on squeeze x86_64 i get (while buuilding with ant) [javac] warning: 'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting to build.sysclasspath=last; set to false for repeatable builds. Can someone shed a light on this? |
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| 18:33.04 | stew | "<manhunter> is final release of debian installer relative to stable debian squeeze ?" yes. the final release of the installer will happen sometime before squeeze becomes stable |
| 18:33.05 | manhunter | stew, is final release of installer related to stable debian squeeze ? |
| 18:33.13 | Vasistha | jordanm: oh, here we go... wlan0: deauthenticating from 68:7f.....:c8 by local choice (reason=3) |
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| 18:33.21 | stew | "< manhunter> hi,when would we get the final version of debian installer?" when it is ready |
| 18:33.23 | manhunter | stew, ok, thank you |
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| 18:33.30 | stew | "if we get final version of debian installer will the debian squeeze be stable then?" no. |
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| 18:34.32 | stew | squeeze will become stable some weekend when all the required teams can be coordinated when the release team has a plan to get the RC bug count to zero |
| 18:34.42 | omg_onoez | hi, i need some hints. wrote my first rc script and i can't figure out why it doesn't work on boot |
| 18:35.09 | omg_onoez | i mean it runs perfectly after system was booted |
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| 18:35.30 | omg_onoez | http://n0tm3.s7ick.org/pastebin/4d073a44eb514.html |
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| 18:35.36 | omg_onoez | thanks and sorry for my english |
| 18:35.58 | Vasistha | omg_onoez: where is the script located? |
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| 18:36.39 | omg_onoez | i put it into /etc/init.d |
| 18:36.48 | omg_onoez | and ran update-rc |
| 18:37.12 | Vasistha | omg_onoez: do you see it in e.g. /etc/rc2.d ? |
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| 18:38.07 | omg_onoez | Vasistha, nope )) |
| 18:38.15 | omg_onoez | Vasistha, what did i miss? |
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| 18:39.20 | jordanm | Vasistha: no, not /var/log/dmesg. /var/log/dmesg is a snapshot of /proc/kmesg after boot. the command "dmesg" will read the current contents of the /proc/kmesg buffer |
| 18:39.28 | Vasistha | omg_onoez: I'm not sure, but what I can tell you is that the scripts in /etc/init.d are not run at boot time, unless they are linked in by /etc/rc2.d or whatever |
| 18:40.02 | omg_onoez | Vasistha, thanks anyway, but it still runs perfectly during shutdown |
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| 18:40.28 | jordanm | Vasistha: excuse me, its /proc/kmsg |
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| 18:42.40 | Vasistha | jordanm: ah, okay, thanks for that! at any rate, I'm not seeing any indication of the recently dropped connection. I could pastebin the thing, I suppose |
| 18:42.43 | jordanm | huh? spam advertising something good? |
| 18:43.10 | Vasistha | heh, I was thinking the same thing. |
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| 18:43.29 | Vasistha | omg_onoez: do you see it in /etc/rc0.d or /etc/rc1.d or /etc/rc6.d ? |
| 18:43.35 | aalex_laptop | a cloack? |
| 18:43.57 | jordanm | aalex_laptop: a cloak is used to hide your IP address from other users |
| 18:44.07 | stew | guys, please ignore the spam, or go to ##comment-on-spam if you must |
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| 18:45.03 | jordanm | there is sysv-rc-conf --list that can check for the presence of those links for oyu |
| 18:45.17 | omg_onoez | Vasistha, no, may it do the trick if i will make symbolic links to runlevels? |
| 18:45.19 | jordanm | probably others as well |
| 18:46.24 | Vasistha | omg_onoez: that's how I do it, although I know it's not sanctioned. It's strange that it's running at shutdown, though, if you don't see it in rc0.d or rc6.d |
| 18:46.33 | omg_onoez | jordanm, sysv shows its on the place ) |
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| 18:53.49 | Vasistha | jordanm: well, like I said, I'm not seeing anything interesting there. I wonder if the cheap-ass consumer grade router is just being a dick? |
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| 18:54.07 | omg_onoez | so now i'm sure links on those runlevels are presented |
| 18:54.11 | Vasistha | ...but it treats my other lappy just fine |
| 18:54.19 | omg_onoez | lets check it ) |
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| 18:57.27 | axisys | is the journaling added in ext4 or is it also available on ext3 ? |
| 18:58.12 | Posterdati | stew: done! Reordering boot system, log to /var/lib/insserv/run-20101214T1955.log |
| 18:58.12 | Posterdati | success: Enabled dependency based boot system. |
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| 18:59.18 | acemi | axisys: available on ext3 too |
| 18:59.20 | onoez_omg | no luck |
| 18:59.58 | Posterdati | stew: thanks |
| 19:00.20 | axisys | acemi: oh ok.. thanks |
| 19:00.45 | Vasistha | is xfce a good choice for a system with 192 MB ram? |
| 19:00.53 | onoez_omg | Vasistha, http://n0tm3.s7ick.org/pastebin/4d07bef53d6ea.html |
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| 19:01.17 | onoez_omg | and still it doesn't work on boot |
| 19:01.40 | porterbsd | How many dvds doesone need to downlod to install debian with the xfce4 of lxde desktop environments/ |
| 19:01.58 | onoez_omg | 0 i guess |
| 19:02.06 | stew | onoez_omg: i'd use explicit paths, especially for stuff in /sbin and /usr/sbin, such as fdisk, blkid |
| 19:02.25 | Vasistha | onoez_omg: you... changed. uh, anyway. it'll be easier to read like this: /etc$ ls rc?.d/*tc_mount |
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| 19:02.32 | onoez_omg | stew, i just thought it could give me some flexibility |
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| 19:02.44 | dragonfly | porterbsd, I would use the netinstall cd (smaller download) and then just install the basic system when it gets to that point (no desktop environment) and after it's done aptitude install xfce4 and/or lxde |
| 19:03.38 | onoez_omg | stew, do u think the problem was caused by those fdisk and blkid? |
| 19:03.39 | Old_Spike0 | Is conky still going to be put in contrib, for squeeze's release? |
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| 19:04.20 | Jemt | What package contains the acceleration layer for QEmu ? |
| 19:04.49 | abrotman | Old_Spike0: if that's where it is now, yes |
| 19:05.16 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions conky |
| 19:05.18 | judd | Package conky on i386 -- etch: 1.4.4-1; lenny: 1.6.0-2; sid/contrib: 1.8.0-1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1 |
| 19:05.27 | Vasistha | onoez_omg: are you absolutely certain it's not running? Have you tried touching a file at the beginning of the script? echo $0 >/tmp/last-tc-run |
| 19:05.31 | Old_Spike0 | abrotman, yes, it is, due to the nvidia thing. |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | that's where it stays! |
| 19:06.02 | stew | woah, when did that move out of main! |
| 19:06.20 | abrotman | judd: depends conky --release squeeze |
| 19:06.23 | judd | Package conky -- depends: conky-all. |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | cute |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | judd: depends conky-all --release squeeze |
| 19:06.44 | judd | Package conky-all -- depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libc6 (>= 2.9), libcairo2 (>= 1.8.0), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libimlib2, libiw30 (>= 30~pre1), liblua5.1-0, libncurses5 (>= 5.7+20100313), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6 (>= 0), libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4). |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | doesn't see non-free stuff there? |
| 19:07.04 | stew | abrotman: Build-Depends:... nvidia-settings |
| 19:07.16 | stew | newest upstream added some nvidia crap |
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| 19:09.33 | abrotman | uhm ... yay? |
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| 19:10.46 | onoez_omg | Vasistha, tried to touch it and last run shows only /etc/rc2.d/S20tc_mount |
| 19:10.56 | onoez_omg | what exactly does it mean? |
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| 19:12.22 | Vasistha | onoez_omg: that's perfect -- that means it is running. runlevel 2 is the default runlevel -- if you execute the command /sbin/runlevel you'll see the response will be "N 2" -- so you are in runlevel 2. And so the last-run indicates that the tc_mount link in rc2.d -- those are the init scripts for runlevel 2 -- was run. So it is being run on startup. |
| 19:13.08 | onoez_omg | Vasistha, thanks, useful method i will remember for future |
| 19:15.43 | Vasistha | onoez_omg: at this point I'm not sure what to recommend. It looks like your script is running, but I guess it's not working properly? |
| 19:17.37 | onoez_omg | Vasistha, yep, it not works on boot only =) but i will figure out what happens i guess, thank you |
| 19:18.02 | onoez_omg | during system is already booted it works perfectly as i mentioned |
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| 19:19.17 | Vasistha | onoez_omg: I guess my next action would be to put echo >>/tmp/some-log-file statements in every other line with debug info |
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| 19:19.50 | onoez_omg | yep, going to do this |
| 19:19.58 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 19:20.09 | stew | onoez_omg: or perhaps use "set -x" and /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 19:24.28 | apatheticsheep | hola |
| 19:25.19 | apatheticsheep | doe anyone know of a menu based config editor for exim4? (curses or web or something) |
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| 19:26.27 | pipeline | exim's configuration format is turing complete, so if there is a menu-based editor, it's going to be terrible at its job |
| 19:26.40 | pipeline | analysing the configuration is an instance of the halting problem :D |
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| 19:29.14 | dragonfly | apatheticsheep, if you're setting up exim, it would be very good to learn the config structure :) |
| 19:29.55 | apatheticsheep | ok! so monolitihic it is. |
| 19:30.12 | apatheticsheep | s/tih/th |
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| 19:31.06 | KipMacy | do any wireless cell usb device thingies work straight out of box with debian? |
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| 19:32.30 | dragonfly | apatheticsheep, it is daunting, I just went through that a couple weeks ago -- but well worth it :) Also, I chose to use the single huge version rather than the Debian separate configs so the knowledge and setup is more universal in case there is a day when I have reason to do it without Debian holding my hand :) -- perhaps we should move this conversation to #exim and I can try to be of some help |
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| 19:33.46 | hellyeah | hey hey hey help me |
| 19:33.54 | hellyeah | i just try toi install from debian |
| 19:34.18 | hellyeah | and i follow the ins. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
| 19:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | KipMacy: I think people have gotten them to work. |
| 19:34.52 | hellyeah | all works well but wehen i boot computer from usb and push load component from cd i took message cd rom was not detected |
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| 19:35.35 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Perhaps you should follow the debian instructions or use unetbootin. |
| 19:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 19:35.41 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:35.47 | dragonfly | hellyeah, what is your final goal? replace windows with debian? dual boot? something else? |
| 19:37.25 | apatheticsheep | dragonfly: yea, i wass looking for a quick and dirty way to do somee tweeks and didn't feel like learning, was just being lazy. I am reconfiguring to monolithic config and I will manage it that way. |
| 19:37.28 | hellyeah | dragonfly: |
| 19:37.32 | hellyeah | yeah dual boot |
| 19:37.55 | apatheticsheep | also I wanted my boss to be able to make changes. he will not feel comfortable hacking around at the shell. |
| 19:37.55 | hellyeah | jhutchins_ i already try unetbooting that gives same error |
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| 19:38.46 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Which release are you trying? |
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| 19:39.02 | dragonfly | apatheticsheep, what type of tweaks would you want a non IT user to be able to make? |
| 19:39.06 | hellyeah | 5.0.7 |
| 19:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: unetbootin should do a net install without requiring a CD. Your IDE chipset may be too new for the .26 kernel. |
| 19:39.58 | apatheticsheep | dragonfly: he isn't non-IT he is non-*nix |
| 19:40.14 | dragonfly | ok, that makes a little more sense then :) |
| 19:40.21 | jhutchins_lt | Also, read the debian instructions - for that method you need to copy a CD image to the drive after you apply the USB image. |
| 19:40.26 | hellyeah | jhutchins_ i have i7 machine |
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| 19:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: You may want to try out some live CD's to see what hardware you're dealing with and to see if you need a newer kernel. |
| 19:41.18 | apatheticsheep | dragonfly: he uses mdaemon which is a great windows based MTA/webmail suite but it's not free. |
| 19:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: It's not the CPU that matters but the chips that communicate with the RAM and the rest of the hardware, |
| 19:41.48 | hellyeah | i understood i am checking this info from net |
| 19:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | !kmuto |
| 19:42.13 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 19:42.27 | dragonfly | apatheticsheep, one advantage to him not knowing how to do it -> Job Security :D |
| 19:42.46 | apatheticsheep | dragonfly: yep /wink |
| 19:43.14 | Tobias| | Would people beat me with sticks for asking how to get braid for linux to work under debian? When I ask it, I get the error http://dev.pastebin.it/8b907w/raw/50986 . Anybody experienced a similar such error in the past? |
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| 19:44.01 | hellyeah | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834127284 |
| 19:44.05 | dragonfly | Tobias|, I'm hoping you have all the OpenGL stuff installed (looks like that is what it's missing) |
| 19:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | I know a place that fired their IT guy because "he never did anything". Two years later when their hard drives filled up and the backup tapes were all overwritten with bad data they lost 15 years of archived email and their internal web site. |
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| 19:44.19 | hellyeah | pls help me |
| 19:44.20 | Tobias| | I'm relatively certain I do, dragonfly |
| 19:44.27 | Tobias| | glxgears works |
| 19:44.30 | hellyeah | i already use win32diskimager program |
| 19:44.31 | Tobias| | (I assume that uses opengl) |
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| 19:46.18 | dragonfly | Tobias|, did you try it with the -windowed option? |
| 19:46.31 | Tobias| | Same result |
| 19:48.14 | dragonfly | hmmm |
| 19:48.40 | dragonfly | are there any items in /var/log which might give us more info? |
| 19:48.46 | hellyeah | will i get some help |
| 19:49.19 | hellyeah | btw i try to install debian 64 bit |
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| 19:50.14 | pipeline | Tobias|: glxinfo | grep irect -- if it doesn't say "Direct Rendering: Yes" you're missing something important |
| 19:50.16 | Tobias| | Nothing relevant, dragonfly |
| 19:50.31 | pipeline | Tobias|: it's also possible that braid is dependent upon a very particular GL extension, e.g. nvidia-specific stuff, and you're running on an Intel or something. |
| 19:50.48 | Tobias| | is |
| 19:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: We can't help if you're not willing to try anything. Does the laptop even have a CD? |
| 19:50.58 | pipeline | Tobias| is what ? |
| 19:51.09 | Tobias| | Running on an intel chipset |
| 19:51.15 | Tobias| | Direct rendering is enabled, pipeline |
| 19:51.21 | hellyeah | jhutchins_ of course |
| 19:51.24 | pipeline | Tobias|: then it seems very likely that braid requires nvidia |
| 19:51.27 | hellyeah | this is not mac book |
| 19:51.27 | dragonfly | hellyeah, you've been given several suggestions and links to read before trying further -- have you read them? try anything they suggest? |
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| 19:51.45 | pipeline | Tobias|: I can tell you the windows version of braid works fine in wine |
| 19:51.55 | hellyeah | dragonfly: i try everthing you suggest you can be sure about that |
| 19:52.07 | Tobias| | Will give that a go if I can't figure this out, thanks, pipeline :) |
| 19:52.20 | pipeline | Tobias|: unfortunately I doubt intel graphics will be fast enough |
| 19:52.32 | pipeline | Tobias|: in my experience, intel opengl isn't really good for much :( |
| 19:52.36 | Tobias| | I can run Starcraft 2 well enough |
| 19:52.43 | pipeline | that surprises me very, very much |
| 19:52.45 | dragonfly | ok -- I only ask because we have had dpkg tell you about several things and you must read very fast and have a very fast machine to read all those links and try the steps they recommend that quickly |
| 19:52.47 | Tobias| | Although they did some aweseome graceful fallbacks |
| 19:52.54 | Tobias| | Incredibly well written, that game :) |
| 19:53.08 | stew | Tobias|: is braid free software? |
| 19:53.25 | Tobias| | It is not |
| 19:53.28 | Tobias| | Don't beat me for it :< |
| 19:53.33 | stew | oh well |
| 19:53.37 | Tobias| | http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 19:53.50 | Tobias| | So far, though, Linux users are being exceptionally generous :) |
| 19:53.53 | Tobias| | That makes me smile |
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| 19:58.58 | emit | you have to play 1v1 lowest settings to play sc2 on intel |
| 19:59.48 | Tobias| | 1v1? |
| 20:00.03 | Tobias| | I was able to get into 4v4, easily, with above-lowest settings O_o |
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| 20:00.17 | Tobias| | Without crashing or interface lag |
| 20:00.50 | Eggdrops | hi, how to find out how many user has been defianed on debian server? |
| 20:01.07 | stew | Eggdrops: getent passwd |
| 20:02.10 | Eggdrops | thanks |
| 20:03.05 | Eggdrops | stew can we suspend the user as well? |
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| 20:06.13 | rudi_s | Eggdrops: man usermod |
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| 20:27.34 | solifugus | I hear /etc/init.d/networking has been depricated. What replaces it? |
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| 20:32.08 | stew | solifugus: just calling it with restart is deprecated |
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| 20:36.03 | maxxe | dont see why it is deprecated just calls ifdown and ifup.. |
| 20:41.23 | solifugus | stew: This is not direct at you, but wtf?! How can you depricate the most standard feature of any service? |
| 20:42.10 | hellyeah | okey i need some help :S |
| 20:42.45 | stew | solifugus: please suggest a fix! |
| 20:42.57 | maxxe | fix to what |
| 20:43.09 | maxxe | what's the problem? |
| 20:43.21 | stew | maxxe: to /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:43.34 | maxxe | and what is that a problem? |
| 20:43.38 | maxxe | s,what,why |
| 20:43.53 | stew | "it may not enable again some interfaces"" |
| 20:44.11 | maxxe | it's exactly the same as doing ifdown -av and ifup -av |
| 20:44.15 | maxxe | works fine for me |
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| 20:46.20 | qwd | How can I tell grsync to ONLY copy a certain filetype? I tried --delete --include-from=~/.grsync/include and adding *.mp3 in that file, but it still wants to copy every file available. |
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| 20:56.04 | michalxo | hello! just a reminder ;-) http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 20:57.08 | Tobias| | already has his, although can't get Braid to work :P |
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| 20:57.43 | stew | michalxo: hi, do you actually have any debian related questions? or are you just here to spam? |
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| 20:59.33 | qwd | ah I figured it out, this is how to do it: --include='*.mp3' --exclude='*.*' |
| 20:59.37 | Chelsea | Hi all. Trying to get X over SSH going. Got client and server both X11 forwarding on, but getting:X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 20:59.41 | Chelsea | debug1: channel 1: free: x11, nchannels 2 |
| 20:59.43 | Chelsea | Error: Can't open display: localhost:11.0 |
| 21:00.29 | Chelsea | Ony thoughts of which direction I should look? |
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| 21:03.52 | hellyeah | hey |
| 21:03.57 | hellyeah | can i get some help |
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| 21:04.35 | dkr | only if you ask for it |
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| 21:05.04 | PizzaPlanet | hellyeah: Only if we know the problem |
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| 21:05.14 | hplc | is the squid and squid3 same install or 2 separate proxies? |
| 21:05.22 | hellyeah | i try to install debian from usb |
| 21:05.33 | hellyeah | but i use win32diskimage and unetbooting |
| 21:05.58 | hellyeah | i took the same error i push load component from cd while installing and i took no cd rom was detected |
| 21:06.05 | hellyeah | i dont understand thss error |
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| 21:06.54 | keith4 | what's that dpkg factoid for shiny-shit syndrome? |
| 21:07.13 | acemi | hplc: 2 diffirent versions of squid proxy |
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| 21:07.26 | rudi_s | keith4: sns |
| 21:07.28 | rudi_s | !sns |
| 21:07.28 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:07.34 | keith4 | thanks rudi_s |
| 21:07.38 | rudi_s | np |
| 21:08.01 | maxxe | hahahaha |
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| 21:08.42 | hplc | i dont get it, if i "sudo /etc/init.d/squid3 stop" the proxy goes down for sure, but squid3.conf isnt configured at all, only squid.conf, how can squid3 accept squid.conf? |
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| 21:11.02 | acemi | hplc: you means /etc/squid3/squid.conf ? |
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| 21:12.33 | hplc | ye, theres /etc/squid/squid.conf and /etc/squid3/squid.conf |
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| 21:12.40 | s3a | Is 64 bit linux still sufferring from lack of native 64 bit flash support? |
| 21:12.56 | thewanderer1 | s3a: no, Adobe fixed their crapware |
| 21:13.06 | s3a | thewanderer1, when? |
| 21:13.14 | s3a | (if you know) |
| 21:13.14 | thewanderer1 | a few months ago |
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| 21:13.34 | stew | s3a: there is gnash, which has supported 64 bits all the while (and is actually free software) |
| 21:13.42 | s3a | ok so is it in Lenny/Squeeze repositories? Or just Lenny? Or in sid? Or not in debian yet? |
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| 21:13.51 | PizzaPlanet | But gnash doesn't work that well just yet |
| 21:13.54 | s3a | stew, i had gnash just now and youtube didn't work |
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| 21:14.03 | s3a | (squeeze) |
| 21:14.08 | hplc | 1 of those squid is running but no idea wich 1 i can remove |
| 21:14.10 | stew | gnash works fine. youtube doesn't require flash |
| 21:14.11 | doublehp | any one here ever used fetchmail to write to local file mbox ? |
| 21:14.29 | stew | well, i guess some videos on youtube still require flash, but not all |
| 21:14.47 | doublehp | s/some/most |
| 21:14.54 | stew | most? really? |
| 21:14.58 | s3a | let me try something |
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| 21:16.02 | abrotman | eh .. i thought youtube was up to like 80% html5 videos available now? |
| 21:16.21 | s3a | abrotman, it has some proprietary encoding |
| 21:16.25 | s3a | so we need something like chrome |
| 21:16.27 | s3a | not chromium |
| 21:16.32 | s3a | also gnash works! |
| 21:16.34 | thewanderer1 | no, Chromium works for me... |
| 21:16.35 | acemi | hplc: dpkg -S /etc/squid3/squid.conf |
| 21:16.40 | s3a | i didn't install mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 21:16.49 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: it largely depends on upload date - most new videos are in html5 too, while some older (old == good for many folks) are still only in flash |
| 21:16.50 | s3a | thewanderer1, flash or html5? |
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| 21:17.01 | thewanderer1 | s3a: html5 works in chromium |
| 21:17.08 | thewanderer1 | about Flash, I don't care too much... |
| 21:17.09 | abrotman | thewanderer1: right, they are slowly going through the old videos doing those two |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | too |
| 21:17.15 | s3a | thewanderer1, html5 yes but not the youtube video encoding |
| 21:17.37 | thewanderer1 | s3a: strange. I can see the HTML5 graphic and a movie above, plays just nice |
| 21:17.53 | thewanderer1 | there's some icon like WebM |
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| 21:20.07 | s3a | thewanderer1, i just wanted to say that's coming from something i read so i could be wrong but it looked legitimate |
| 21:20.35 | hplc | acemi: tried that line and then "sudo /etc/init.d/squid3 restart" sucessful restart, but what did it do? |
| 21:21.39 | thewanderer1 | guys, why can't I find any coda-related packages in Debian? non-free, despised of, being the work of devil or what? |
| 21:22.10 | acemi | hplc: the line shows that the file belongs to what |
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| 21:22.39 | s3a | stew, why is gnash not working in chromium? (only in iceweasel) do I need to apt-get something else? |
| 21:23.13 | hplc | acemi: but the /etc/squid3/squid.conf contains nothing of value, it not configured at all just tons of # |
| 21:23.49 | hplc | acemi: /etc/squid/squid.conf is the true working conf |
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| 21:26.22 | acemi | hplc: whta is the output for: dpkg -S /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 21:26.40 | Tobias| | Does debian with gnome leave 'auto eth0' in /etc/network/interfaces by design? |
| 21:26.48 | Tobias| | Or, with the default desktop packages |
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| 21:27.24 | doublehp | any one here ever used fetchmail to write to local file mbox ? |
| 21:27.42 | hplc | acemi: not in english but "dpkg: /etc/squid/squid.conf could not be found" |
| 21:27.50 | thewanderer1 | Tobias|: it's a thing that gets configured when you select "automatic network configuration" during debian-installer |
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| 21:29.45 | acemi | hplc: i think squid3 uses /etc/squid3/squid.conf and it's not empty |
| 21:29.56 | hplc | acemi: i think thats correctly translated, and yes "etc/squid/squid.conf" DO exist |
| 21:30.52 | hplc | acemi: etc/squid3/squid.conf contains bogus, it not even supposed to work |
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| 21:31.57 | acemi | hplc: squid3 uses this file as default in squeeze |
| 21:33.11 | acemi | hplc: what is the output for: dpkg -l squid* |
| 21:33.11 | zatricky | Hi all - looking at a server at work, looks like it was rebooted (uptime is low), raid6 has 7 disks marked as (S)pare, raid inactive, 8th disk missing. Any hints on how to sort this out? |
| 21:33.56 | doublehp | how can i move some emails from a remote IMAP server, to a local existing mbox , using non interactive script ? |
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| 21:34.28 | bzrk | zatricky: try to rebuild raid, if fails restore from backup |
| 21:34.44 | bzrk | zatricky: first find out what happened though |
| 21:34.49 | doublehp | zatricky: dumps all logs on some pastebin. including dmesg related to raid; specially mdadm -E/-Q |
| 21:35.15 | f3xy | How come debian has to rebrand firefox, but ubuntu doesn't? o_0 |
| 21:35.17 | bzrk | doublehp: i doubt its a software raid |
| 21:35.28 | hplc | acemi: sudo dpkg -l squid* gives "no packets matches squid.conf |
| 21:35.32 | doublehp | bzrk: why ? |
| 21:35.38 | stew | f3xy: ask mozilla, not us, we can only tell you why we have to |
| 21:35.45 | doublehp | bzrk: if it's hard raid, then it's offtopic |
| 21:35.54 | f3xy | stew: I know that part |
| 21:35.59 | bzrk | cause it would be bloody stupid to run a raid6 over 8 disks on software |
| 21:35.59 | f3xy | I was just curious |
| 21:36.10 | PizzaPlanet | As far as I know Ubuntu uses mainline Firefox |
| 21:36.12 | PizzaPlanet | Doesn't it? |
| 21:36.12 | doublehp | bzrk: if it's not soft raid, we won't help him |
| 21:36.14 | acemi | hplc: could you paste the output to paste.debian.net |
| 21:36.21 | bzrk | doublehp: who is we? |
| 21:36.28 | zatricky | bzrk, doublehp: md - thanks, will see where I get to then come back :) |
| 21:36.33 | bzrk | zatricky: gl |
| 21:36.46 | hplc | acemi: well its in swedish, sure it will help? |
| 21:36.57 | acemi | hplc: yes |
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| 21:37.58 | dragonfly | f3xy, If I remember right, the rebranding was a decision of the Debian team as a result of the licensing on the firefox name/images |
| 21:38.30 | stew | dragonfly: you remember wrong, it was a decision of mozilla who said "you may not user our trademark if you make any changes to our software" |
| 21:38.39 | hplc | acemi: done.....i think |
| 21:38.55 | hplc | acemi: never used that paste.debian thing before |
| 21:39.16 | acemi | hplc: ok, i see it |
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| 21:40.15 | acemi | hplc: what is the output for: dpkg -l "squid*" |
| 21:40.34 | acemi | hplc: the previous command has a mistake |
| 21:40.35 | PizzaPlanet | So guys |
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| 21:40.39 | PizzaPlanet | I did aptitude why linux |
| 21:40.42 | its-me-again | hi all i just want to know also what this error means http://imagebin.org/127920 |
| 21:40.46 | PizzaPlanet | And it told me bad stuff |
| 21:41.31 | hplc | acemi: uploaded |
| 21:42.17 | its-me-again | is stumped as to what that menu means |
| 21:42.59 | stew | its-me-again: please go to ##mint or ##linux for support for mint, we only support debian ehre |
| 21:43.11 | acemi | hplc: /etc/squid/squid.conf belongs to squid package which was removed. "aptitude purge squid" will delete its config files |
| 21:43.28 | stew | its-me-again: or "/msg dpkg mint" has some other ideas about where you might get support |
| 21:43.40 | hplc | acemi: i type aptitude purge squid? |
| 21:43.46 | its-me-again | stew: yes you do. but i bet you might have had the same or similar error i will not ask again here then ok |
| 21:43.57 | stew | its-me-again: i do what? |
| 21:44.14 | dragonfly | its-me-again, from the looks of that error messages, it is mint specific -- sorry |
| 21:44.15 | acemi | hplc: if you want to delete the old config files of squid package whic is not installed now |
| 21:44.16 | its-me-again | stew: mint channels are not on freenode they on another network |
| 21:44.33 | dragonfly | !mint |
| 21:44.33 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 21:44.37 | stew | its-me-again: yeah, if there is a debian pacakge which is providing init scripts without lsb headers, you'd file a bug in the debian bug tracking system, this isn't a bug in a debian package though |
| 21:44.40 | its-me-again | stew: the channel you tsalking about |
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| 21:44.53 | hplc | acemi: aptitude doesnt work, unknown command kinda |
| 21:45.09 | stew | its-me-again: the channel I was talking about has the topic "Welcome to the Linux Mint support..." |
| 21:45.22 | its-me-again | stew: thanks i needed to know that. se why i asked here |
| 21:45.41 | acemi | hplc: apt-get pruge squid |
| 21:45.46 | acemi | hplc: apt-get purge squid |
| 21:45.59 | thewanderer1 | apt-get remove --purge squid ... |
| 21:46.01 | zatricky | @doublehp http://www.athensfbc.com/imap_tools/#IMAPtoMbox (haven't tested, though it looks relevant to your requirements) |
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| 21:46.29 | thewanderer1 | and the lack of "aptitude" sounds like Ubuntu to me anyway :P |
| 21:46.46 | acemi | thewanderer1: yes it's |
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| 21:47.20 | hellyeah | i cannot work debian installation with usb |
| 21:47.33 | urbanmonk | i've noticed on my VPS that i/o activity has increased to new levels (my VPS provider send me alerts and I can see graphs of the activity) ... I'm pretty sure it's related to my remote backup software but i would like to be able to confirm this ... is there a way to determine which processes are using a lot of i/o? |
| 21:47.37 | dvs | why not? |
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| 21:49.09 | Hans_Henrik | is any1 maintaining dpkg? |
| 21:49.13 | hplc | acemi: ye it did something, after wich i "sudo /etc/init.d/squid3 restart" and it still works but complains that old cache was left behind in use or somethign |
| 21:49.23 | thewanderer1 | dpkg, is any1 maintaining you? |
| 21:49.24 | dpkg | thewanderer1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:49.45 | stew | Hans_Henrik: can you be more specific? |
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| 21:50.42 | Hans_Henrik | stew: just wanna say: if you ask dpkg about "que tal", it tells you to check out http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/que.html , and that link is dead. :p |
| 21:50.51 | acemi | hplc: i think that /etc/squid/squid.conf has no effect on squid3 |
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| 21:51.20 | stew | dpkg: factinfo que tal |
| 21:51.20 | dpkg | stew: there's no such factoid as que tal |
| 21:51.35 | thewanderer1 | there's "que" + keyword |
| 21:51.42 | thewanderer1 | which is actually any word :P |
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| 21:51.53 | hplc | acemi: but how on earth can the bogus /etc/squid3/squid.conf work at all? its not configured at all |
| 21:52.22 | stew | dpkg: literal CMD: que (.*?) |
| 21:52.23 | dpkg | "cmd: que (.*?)" is "($1): <reply>$1, please see http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/que.html" |
| 21:52.28 | stew | dpkg: forget CMD: que (.*?) |
| 21:52.28 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: que (.*?), stew |
| 21:52.39 | acemi | hplc: i don't think it's bogus |
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| 21:54.11 | acemi | hplc: is the output empty for: grep -v '^#' /etc/squid3/squid.conf | uniq |
| 21:54.46 | PizzaPlanet | Which Debian is the best????? |
| 21:54.55 | thewanderer1 | The. The Debian is the best. |
| 21:55.14 | PizzaPlanet | But which Debian is the Debian? |
| 21:55.20 | tsccof | PizzaPlanet: define "best" |
| 21:55.27 | thewanderer1 | The one which bears The in The Debian |
| 21:55.40 | thewanderer1 | not Ubuntu or Mint, but Debian :P |
| 21:55.41 | tsccof | then The Debian is truly the best |
| 21:55.51 | stew | PizzaPlanet: there is only one debian? |
| 21:55.53 | hplc | acemi: uploaded |
| 21:55.57 | dragonfly | PizzaPlanet, do you mean between Lenny and Squeeze? |
| 21:56.11 | thewanderer1 | stew: there's only one Debian but in three persons, they say |
| 21:56.11 | PizzaPlanet | dragonfly: Not just that |
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| 21:56.28 | dragonfly | well, what exactly are you asking then |
| 21:56.34 | thewanderer1 | there's Lenny, Squeeze and Sid, and together they reign or so :P |
| 21:56.59 | acemi | hplc: theese are the active settings |
| 21:57.07 | PizzaPlanet | Which kernel and which distribution of Debian would you consider the best? |
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| 21:57.28 | acemi | hplc: it's not empty or all uncommented |
| 21:57.33 | jelly-home | !best |
| 21:57.34 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:58.09 | hplc | acemi: but the settings i did in other squid.conf? cache size? network address? ip-number?, it never meant anything? |
| 21:58.13 | PizzaPlanet | jelly-home: But I'm asking which one YOU consider the best |
| 21:58.24 | Shadur | !tell PizzaPlanet about best |
| 21:58.25 | jelly-home | PizzaPlanet: best for what? |
| 21:58.39 | dragonfly | PizzaPlanet, if I had a new system that I was going to put Debian on right now, I personally would use the beta-netinstall disk for Squeeze and use the default kernel |
| 21:58.41 | tsccof | PizzaPlanet: but his answer is based on your question, and you didn't define "best" |
| 21:58.42 | acemi | hplc: yes, you need the configure /etc/squid3/squid.conf |
| 21:58.51 | thewanderer1 | a quickie: how to mount vfat with 0755 permissions? |
| 21:59.00 | jelly-home | PizzaPlanet: I have multiple, different answers to that question depending on the context. |
| 21:59.04 | stew | thewanderer1: umask=022 |
| 21:59.09 | thewanderer1 | stew: thanks! |
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| 21:59.31 | PizzaPlanet | jelly-home: My question is purely hypothetical. I don't have a specified purpose |
| 21:59.39 | stew | !tell PizzaPlanet about polls |
| 21:59.46 | jelly-home | PizzaPlanet: then I can't suggest anything specific |
| 21:59.48 | dragonfly | jelly-home, we've had some fun and flamed him a bit -- let's try to help now -- give some examples of what might be best for 2 or 3 different scenarios :) |
| 21:59.49 | Shadur | PizzaPlanet: Your purely hypothetical question is too broad to answer. |
| 22:00.16 | jelly-home | dragonfly: no thanks, I prefer managing actual technical issues |
| 22:00.31 | PizzaPlanet | This is not a poll, stew. Stop being rude. |
| 22:00.31 | PizzaPlanet | Okay, fine. Desktops. |
| 22:00.43 | dkr | PizzaPlanet: stable for servers, testing for home system you use to watch movies and code |
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| 22:00.46 | acemi | hplc: ps aux | grep squid shows the active config file |
| 22:01.07 | s3a | how do i make gnash work in chromium? |
| 22:01.12 | s3a | (it works in iceweasel) |
| 22:01.14 | hplc | acemi: cdscadcasc.com in browser brings: (will upload) |
| 22:01.18 | jelly-home | PizzaPlanet: depends on your Debian experience and ability to micromanage the OS |
| 22:01.25 | stew | PizzaPlanet: debian stable until you are familiar enough with debian to do something different |
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| 22:01.45 | tsccof | I run a mix of squeeze/sid on my desktop |
| 22:01.54 | tsccof | it kicks arse |
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| 22:02.34 | acemi | hplc: is there a problem with this |
| 22:02.42 | yagoo | anyone using LANG= for asian? (korea, chinese, japanese) I'm having an issue with displaying proper unicode text and am wonder the best terminal app to use (tty1).. |
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| 22:03.15 | jelly-home | yagoo: text console or framebuffer? Perhaps fbiterm for the framebuffer |
| 22:03.19 | hplc | acemi: well the lsof | grep squid is kinda odd |
| 22:04.00 | hplc | acemi: uploaded |
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| 22:05.42 | wobblyonions | Hi all, anyone know of any good document management software to use on Debian, looking at Joomla but need an alternative |
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| 22:06.17 | nekromant | hellow where I can read text what will showen at boot ? |
| 22:06.19 | jelly-home | yagoo: apt-cache search fb term lists a number of thos but I haven't tried any in detail |
| 22:06.32 | acemi | hplc: why is this odd. maybe its config file is not open know |
| 22:06.32 | dvs | nekromant: dmesg |
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| 22:06.42 | acemi | /know/now |
| 22:07.38 | hplc | acemi: residue from old config? well, anyhow, thanks for all help, appriciate it :) |
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| 22:08.14 | hplc | acemi: its working and only 1 squid, wich was the question from the very start :) thanks for your time |
| 22:08.19 | nekromant | dvs: yeap I look where but it didn't have mesage "Root fs cant be checked because mounted read only" or something like |
| 22:08.33 | acemi | hplc: np |
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| 22:08.52 | esaym | anyone here do the upgrade from lenny to squeeze on Xen dom0's and domU's? |
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| 22:09.05 | dvs | nekromant: it can be checked but it can't be fixed. |
| 22:09.41 | nekromant | dvs: sorry, READ\WRITE |
| 22:09.53 | nekromant | dvs: with red text |
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| 22:10.48 | nekromant | dvs: its been a error |
| 22:11.20 | nekromant | *it was |
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| 22:13.55 | nekromant | Cannot check root file system because it is not mounted read-o |
| 22:13.57 | nekromant | nly |
| 22:14.10 | nekromant | gonna reading scripts |
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| 22:15.16 | nekromant | also before I compile new kernel without initrd |
| 22:16.22 | dvs | !forcefsck |
| 22:16.23 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 22:17.24 | hellyeah | fsck -f is bad |
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| 22:17.34 | hellyeah | it cause bad magic number and system crashes |
| 22:18.09 | jelly-home | and then you have to restore from backups :-| |
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| 22:18.45 | nekromant | Thanks, I'll try |
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| 22:31.18 | LightKnight | !radeon |
| 22:31.18 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. |
| 22:34.26 | evilbulgarian | anyone know of something like fetchmail that would sync my exchange account via https? |
| 22:35.44 | macrobat | i'm migrating debian to a new disk. (i tried copying / to the new / partition, but it wouldn't boot.) instead i cdebootstrappped (sid) and chrooted in to (later) install all old pkgs. How should i handle copying over /etc without breaking things? |
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| 22:42.19 | metra | hi, i lost contact to an old ext4 partition i had , after i installed debian 5.0.. can anyone help me access it ? |
| 22:43.32 | Rienzilla | 'lost contact'? |
| 22:43.47 | acemi | can not mount, i think |
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| 22:44.28 | _dreamy | i cant mount it because its ext4.. |
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| 22:45.18 | Hans_Henrik | what version of debian does not come with ext4 support out-of-the-box? o.0 |
| 22:45.29 | Hans_Henrik | oh nvm |
| 22:45.52 | _dreamy | im on 5.0 |
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| 22:47.00 | qq- | !ext4 |
| 22:47.00 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available since 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:47.03 | macrobat | what's an easy way to clone debian? cp -ax was a failed attempt |
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| 22:47.13 | Tobias| | dd? |
| 22:47.26 | Rienzilla | tar will do |
| 22:47.26 | streuner | dpkg, clone |
| 22:47.27 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 22:47.31 | macrobat | _dreamy: get a newer kernel or mount as ext3 |
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| 22:47.54 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys clone |
| 22:47.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clone' by key (15): #debian debian clone ;; aptitude clone ;; ntfsclone ;; clone ;; ntfs clone ;; debian clone ;; clonezilla ;; ale-clone ;; #debian clone ;; ale clone ;; partclone ;; clonecd ;; _default clone ;; _default debian clone ;; clone #DEL#. |
| 22:48.06 | nekromant | dvs: it will be because I using /swapfile for swap |
| 22:48.19 | nekromant | ... |
| 22:48.20 | streuner | dpkg, debian clone |
| 22:48.20 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
| 22:48.28 | _dreamy | i even lost the grub boot entry, that never happened to me before .. |
| 22:48.30 | cokegen | hi, for a couple of reasons I can't upgrade an etch box, is there backports/archive for etch ? |
| 22:48.36 | cokegen | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports etch-backports main |
| 22:49.07 | macrobat | i am migrating from ext3 to ext4 on lvm. how will tar handle special files like symlinks? |
| 22:49.57 | macrobat | _dreamy: os-prober (if it's on lenny) |
| 22:50.58 | _dreamy | macrobat: how can i use the command line, .. "mount /dev/hda1 /disk2 " what should i add more |
| 22:51.46 | _dreamy | oh the prob is solved.. |
| 22:52.16 | macrobat | :D |
| 22:52.35 | macrobat | cokegen: see topic |
| 22:53.01 | macrobat | oh, nvm |
| 22:53.09 | _dreamy | can i install kde 4 on debian 5.0 with only some command lines ? |
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| 22:54.11 | dvs | i dont use a swap file. I use a swap partition. |
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| 22:58.48 | macrobat | _dreamy: man aptitude will tell you how to use it. aptitude search kde will show many pkgs |
| 22:59.19 | cokegen | macrobat: solved, deb http://archive.debian.org/backports.org etch-backports main |
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| 22:59.45 | cokegen | didn't thought that backports would be at archive.debian.org too |
| 22:59.50 | cokegen | stupid question to ask |
| 23:00.00 | macrobat | oh, does it have newer etch pkgs? |
| 23:00.30 | cokegen | just till june 2010 which was the date they phased out etch |
| 23:00.55 | cokegen | but at least, there's a ton of backported stuff, I really can't upgrade that box |
| 23:01.07 | cokegen | I'll have to, but I can't do it right now |
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| 23:08.18 | cokegen | I placed a backports source in sources.list, is there a way to filter an apt-cache search query to display only what's in a backports source ? |
| 23:08.32 | moreati | Hello, I'm trying to make an amendment to a source deb. One of the patch files under debian/patches removes 8 lines that disable building of a database component and I would like to re-enable it. |
| 23:09.00 | cokegen | I can install with apt-get -t etch-backports install "package", but is there a way to search for packages in the backport section only ? |
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| 23:09.52 | _dreamy | macrobat: yes but id had to add souftware sources to get kde4 on synaptics? |
| 23:10.23 | moreati | 1) Is it better to add a new patch that adds those lines back, or to modify the existing patch? 2) I believe the packageuses dbs as the patch system, from the unpacked sources how should apply those patches in order to make my change, and then remove them? |
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| 23:25.36 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 23:26.00 | Bartzy | If I have experimental in my sources.list.. it is held back in upgrades and stuff right ? Doesn't upgrade my entire system and packages to experimental right ? |
| 23:27.19 | pfred1 | Bartzy I don't know but I'd be careful with that! |
| 23:27.27 | doublehp | Bartzy: no, you want dist-upgrade |
| 23:27.31 | dvs | Bartzy: apt-cache policy will tell you |
| 23:27.56 | pfred1 | I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze here and it seems to have worked |
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| 23:28.20 | pfred1 | seemed a little bumpy at times but now stuff appears to be OK |
| 23:28.24 | Bartzy | experimental has priority 1 |
| 23:28.39 | cokegen | dvs: lower prio means then ? |
| 23:28.44 | pfred1 | though I do have the no automount issue |
| 23:28.54 | Bartzy | lower means it won't install from that ? |
| 23:29.27 | Bartzy | dvs: For safety : Should I comment that experimental line on sources.list and use it only when needed, or it's totally ok to keep it there ? |
| 23:29.37 | dvs | cokegen: lower priority means that it won't be considered first |
| 23:29.39 | pfred1 | I should really try to fix that I thought I checked out fstab maybe i never ddited it though? |
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| 23:30.08 | dvs | Bartzy: i wouldnt use it at all, personally |
| 23:30.19 | cokegen | dvs: thx |
| 23:30.53 | pfred1 | what causes Squeeze not to automount ? |
| 23:31.10 | Bartzy | dvs: I want a 2.6.36 kernel so I must.. If you must use it, what would you do ? |
| 23:31.21 | Bartzy | pfred1: There's a problem with libamu4 and am-utils I think |
| 23:31.44 | pfred1 | Bartzy yeah I remember reading something about it but I was so busy with other stuff I never realy pursued it |
| 23:31.55 | Bartzy | just a sec I'll find something for you |
| 23:32.16 | dvs | Bartzy: then use it |
| 23:32.27 | pfred1 | Bartzy ah if it isn't sometihing I can fix by changing a config or installing stuff thats OK |
| 23:32.47 | Bartzy | pfred1: By installing another deb package with dpkg. sec |
| 23:32.49 | pfred1 | Bartzy it isn't that bad to mount drives |
| 23:33.17 | pfred1 | what is really driving me nuts is playing audio CDs |
| 23:33.27 | Bartzy | dvs: Yeah, but would you comment the line on sources.list, or it's safe to just use it and because of the priority thingie it won't be used ? |
| 23:33.35 | pfred1 | that I would invest some in to repair |
| 23:34.03 | dvs | Bartzy: i'd comment it out when you dont need it anymore. |
| 23:34.05 | pfred1 | it looks like my system plays them I just don't hear anything |
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| 23:34.11 | Bartzy | ok thanks |
| 23:34.12 | pngl | Using symlinks to external scripts in /etc/init.d don't work. Why? |
| 23:34.15 | dvs | np |
| 23:36.01 | cokegen | pngl: permissions ? |
| 23:36.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps how long does it usually take to run depmod? |
| 23:36.16 | pfred1 | Eryn_1983_FL not long |
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| 23:36.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | its taking forever.. |
| 23:36.38 | Bartzy | pfred1: 32-bit or 64-bit ? |
| 23:36.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | 32bit |
| 23:36.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | and this is a tiny server .. |
| 23:36.47 | pfred1 | Bartzy 32 |
| 23:36.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | like 64mb of ram in the VM |
| 23:37.01 | Bartzy | pfred1: aptitude purge libamu4 am-utils |
| 23:37.02 | Bartzy | then download |
| 23:37.14 | Bartzy | https://www.securehost.com/mirror/debian/pool/main/a/am-utils/libamu4_6.1.5-15_i386.deb |
| 23:37.29 | Bartzy | https://www.securehost.com/mirror/debian/pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils_6.1.5-15_i386.deb |
| 23:37.31 | pfred1 | Bartzy that is to fix automount right? |
| 23:37.36 | Bartzy | and install libamu4 first and then am-utils |
| 23:37.42 | Bartzy | that fixed that for me |
| 23:37.43 | Bartzy | I don't know why |
| 23:38.10 | Bartzy | I didn't find those packages on the debian system now.. tried (because it's scary to download from another server) |
| 23:38.15 | pfred1 | Bartzy I might check it out if Debian never comes out with a fix but its not really what I want to work on now |
| 23:38.36 | pfred1 | did note it down in a file for future reference |
| 23:38.40 | Bartzy | pfred1: OK.. NFS mounts are working for you ? |
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| 23:39.02 | pfred1 | Bartzy they usually do I haven't done an nfs share in years now though |
| 23:39.18 | pngl | cokegen: hmm |
| 23:39.24 | Bartzy | I use NFS all the time at work, so no automount can make you nuts :p |
| 23:39.26 | pngl | cokegen: it could be, but it just says "command not found" |
| 23:40.11 | pngl | cokegen: if myscript is a symlink, /etc/init.d/myscript start -> command not found. If it is a proper file, it works. |
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| 23:40.36 | pfred1 | I'm sure ther eare other bugs 272 last i looked I just haven't run into any of them yet |
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| 23:40.59 | pfred1 | but this CD audio thing that I would like to figure out |
| 23:41.01 | Bartzy | pfred1: When looking at the bug I think maybe it relates to NFS only, not automount in general... |
| 23:41.04 | Bartzy | See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597076 |
| 23:41.12 | Bartzy | So maybe you should dismiss what I said. |
| 23:41.12 | cokegen | well, the symlink has to point to the script |
| 23:41.24 | pfred1 | Bartzy ah ha well no that doesn't affect me |
| 23:41.33 | cokegen | the command not found could be of something the script doesn't find or the script itself |
| 23:41.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | there it finished |
| 23:41.54 | Bartzy | pfred1: What's your problem with audio CDs ? |
| 23:42.03 | Bartzy | just audio CDs ? Not MP3's, other files ? |
| 23:42.04 | pfred1 | Bartzy though to transfer some stuff I think I will setup ftp on a machine here |
| 23:42.08 | pngl | cokegen: it does. |
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| 23:42.28 | pngl | cokegen: ls -l shoes a nice blue unbroken symlink. |
| 23:42.31 | pfred1 | Bartzy well I put one in the drive use grip to play it the drive light goes the drive goes but I hear no sound |
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| 23:42.36 | pngl | cokegen: s/shoes/shows |
| 23:42.52 | cokegen | well, then start analyzing what's inside the script |
| 23:43.01 | cokegen | you're trying to execute something that's not there |
| 23:43.11 | cokegen | change paths inside the script etc etc |
| 23:43.11 | pfred1 | Bartzy CD level is up in alsamixer and it isn |
| 23:43.17 | pfred1 | Bartzy CD level is up in alsamixer and it isn't muted |
| 23:43.48 | pngl | ok |
| 23:43.50 | pfred1 | I can even rip the CD OK |
| 23:44.00 | Bartzy | pfred1: And are you sure you're selecting the right card in alsamixer ? |
| 23:44.12 | pfred1 | just can't hear it playing right off the drive |
| 23:44.20 | pngl | crap. no. can't be bothered. I'll just cp them to /etc/init.d every time I deploy. |
| 23:44.22 | pfred1 | hmm I never even knew I could select a card |
| 23:44.27 | pfred1 | I only have one |
| 23:44.39 | Bartzy | try alsamixer then press F6 |
| 23:44.42 | Bartzy | you get only 1 ? |
| 23:44.51 | pfred1 | well this box has on board sound as well but it is disabled |
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| 23:45.10 | pfred1 | yeah there is just one there |
| 23:45.10 | cokegen | pngl: paste the exact error |
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| 23:45.28 | cokegen | you're being very vague with the explanation |
| 23:45.34 | pfred1 | I never got the on board sound to work |
| 23:45.48 | pfred1 | was way easier just to throw in an old sound card |
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| 23:46.15 | pfred1 | but that may be my problem sata drives don't have audio cables |
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| 23:49.13 | froggyman | okay, so I'm trying to compile dropbox for my system and it hangs on the "./configure" on "couldn't find docutils" |
| 23:49.13 | pngl | cokegen: here you go. I didn't feel like I was vague. http://pastie.org/1377892 |
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| 23:49.21 | iiiii | anyone try SELinux on lenny? |
| 23:49.28 | froggyman | if I apt-get install docutils |
| 23:49.35 | froggyman | it doesn't find docutils |
| 23:50.20 | Bartzy | pfred1: It might be it. What player do you use ? |
| 23:50.27 | froggyman | anybody got any ideas? |
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| 23:50.36 | pfred1 | I just tried grip and Quake |
| 23:50.45 | pfred1 | I really need it to work in Quake |
| 23:50.52 | iiiii | aptitude search docutils or doc |
| 23:51.08 | pfred1 | so switching apps isn't really an optiuon for me i just need it to work properly |
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| 23:52.43 | iiiii | has anyone been able to get\install sealert or setroubleshootd on debian |
| 23:52.58 | froggyman | iiiii, thanks! |
| 23:53.03 | iiiii | np |
| 23:53.35 | pfred1 | I changed perms on the dev but it still doesn't work |
| 23:53.44 | pfred1 | just tried it |
| 23:54.40 | pfred1 | oh and I'm not using pulseaudio either |
| 23:54.53 | pfred1 | that stuff is crap! |
| 23:55.31 | pfred1 | maybe 10 years from now when they finally get it working it'll be ok |
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| 23:58.20 | froggyman | thats weird that I only had to install the man page for it to make dropbox happy |
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| 23:59.17 | ma3x | how can i disable cpufreq modules loading? i tried blacklisting them all yet they still load on boot |
| 23:59.34 | pfred1 | ma3x rename the modules? |
| 23:59.51 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |