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| 00:03.55 | bremner | is there a way to tell iceweasel 3.5.15 to be more specific about sec_error_unknown_issuer ? |
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| 00:12.53 | f00li5h | how do i get apache to test its config now that /etc/apache2/httpd.conf contians bs like ${APACHE_RUN_USER}? |
| 00:13.05 | f00li5h | apache2 -S bails with apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
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| 00:15.41 | diegoviola | hello |
| 00:15.52 | diegoviola | is there a way to install FreeSWITCH (http://freeswitch.org/) from the Debian repositories? |
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| 00:17.09 | Tramp | f00li5h: I think that's what "apache2ctl configtest" is for |
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| 00:19.14 | f00li5h | apache2ctl -_- |
| 00:19.23 | pickcoder | is there a specific reason why clamav-daemon won't load completely? I'm getting two "engine outdated" warnings and it refuses to load or return to the shell |
| 00:19.41 | Tramp | yw |
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| 00:21.29 | pickcoder | (running an update right now) |
| 00:21.54 | diegoviola | anyone please? |
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| 00:33.42 | hellnest | !debian package |
| 00:34.12 | hellnest | diegoviola: you can try to compile it by yourself if you can't find it in repo |
| 00:35.38 | hellnest | in they wiki page also told you to download and install it directly from the git tree |
| 00:36.14 | pickcoder | diegoviola: what package |
| 00:37.11 | acemi | diegoviola: http://www.aulix.com/freeswitch-debian-lenny-packages |
| 00:37.42 | hellnest | is there anyone have a latest murrine package?? |
| 00:38.36 | hellnest | i googling but still no one create the 0.98-1 murrine package |
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| 00:55.27 | bremner | hellnest: is murrine even in debian? |
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| 00:56.02 | bremner | is that the theme thing? |
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| 00:58.17 | hellnest | bremner: yeah you can go the package from testing and unstable |
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| 00:58.28 | hellnest | i mean got the package |
| 00:58.33 | hellnest | but it's outdated... 0.90 |
| 01:00.29 | bremner | and something important changed? |
| 01:01.13 | diegoviola | i want official freeswitch package |
| 01:01.45 | hellnest | bremner: yups... |
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| 01:02.00 | hellnest | bremner: you can see in debian france forum also complaining about this stuff |
| 01:02.18 | tidux | I'm running moto4lin on Squeeze/Sid and trying to connect to a Razr V3i |
| 01:02.20 | hellnest | latest murrine engine support latest themes also |
| 01:02.27 | hellnest | like equinox for exmaple |
| 01:02.32 | tidux | the device /dev/ttyACM0 isn't being created |
| 01:02.58 | tidux | I have the right kernel module modprobed, and the phone is in the right mode |
| 01:03.07 | tidux | but it's not recognizing the phone |
| 01:03.16 | hellnest | try install equinox with "built in" murrine and you will know what i mean... but if you don't like to change your themes or maybe love to use clearlooks / shiki themes it didn't give any effect |
| 01:03.18 | bremner | !tell diegoviola -about rfp |
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| 01:04.32 | bremner | hellnest: personally, I don't use themes. But you can try filing a wishlist bug, explaining what specifically the new version brings. I think the maintainer is pretty busy now, but maybe in a month or so... |
| 01:05.49 | hellnest | bremner: yeah i guess so, anyway OT, can you reffer a good site / tutor to learn debian packaging? I read in debian forum but it's not too clear for me. |
| 01:06.12 | bremner | hellnest: www.debian.org/devel, look for "new maintainers guide" |
| 01:06.20 | diegoviola | i found freeswitch here: http://bugs.debian.org/389591 |
| 01:06.28 | diegoviola | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged |
| 01:06.30 | hellnest | got that, thanks |
| 01:08.32 | bremner | diegoviola: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389591#81 doesn't look too good. |
| 01:12.32 | tidux | so how do I make Debian recognize my phone? |
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| 01:20.12 | diegoviola | bremner: I know, FreeSWITCH have a libs directory and they fork every possible lib and they compile against those libraries, which is ugly. |
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| 01:20.39 | tidux | never mind, I think it was just calling it /dev/ttyS0 instead |
| 01:20.40 | diegoviola | bremner: but I talked with the main author of FreeSWITCH (Anthony Minessale) and he told me that he's open with people adding a --with-system-libraries switch in the configure scripts |
| 01:20.47 | diegoviola | bremner: to compile against system libraries |
| 01:20.54 | tidux | that should've been a red flag when /dev/ttyS0 showed up on a system with no serial ports |
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| 01:21.17 | Linuxlookup | The Exim exploit reported Dec 10th, does it affect clean installs of Debian? |
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| 01:21.50 | diegoviola | bremner: mplayer also compiles against its own bundled ffmpeg so I don't see how this can be a problem for inclusion in Debian |
| 01:22.11 | petemc | Linuxlookup: exim -bV will show a build date for exim, it should be dec 10th 2010 |
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| 01:23.29 | kandinski | How can I have an incoming ssh connection (on a sarge box) trigger a program inside a chrooted etch? I know this is not really debian-specific, but maybe you can guide me towards a place to ask if a solution is not obvious. Thanks. |
| 01:25.34 | bremner | diegoviola: see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-embeddedfiles |
| 01:26.04 | bremner | diegoviola: the message I pointed you too was someone saying it seems hard to make it work with system libraries. |
| 01:27.15 | diegoviola | bremner: yes, it requires some serious work |
| 01:27.26 | bremner | yeah, that's all I meant to say. |
| 01:27.36 | diegoviola | bremner: but it's certainly possible to add a configure switch to make it compile against system libraries |
| 01:28.27 | diegoviola | the non-free bits can be removed (lame, mpg123, etc) |
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| 01:30.49 | bremner | diegoviola: sure, it just seems people keep running out of time/motivation. |
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| 01:33.04 | diegoviola | yep |
| 01:33.58 | autojack | hi. I'm running Lenny, and I'm trying to build the 'netatalk' package from source. I've run apt-get update, and then apt-get source netatalk, but when I do apt-get build-deb netatalk I get this error: Build-dependencies for netatalk could not be satisfied |
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| 01:34.15 | autojack | Google hasn't come up with anything. I don't understand how I can figure out what I need to do to satisfy apt. |
| 01:34.19 | diegoviola | which is unfortunate, this software is awesome, i would love to see it included in debian |
| 01:35.16 | autojack | this may be related - I'm getting errors like this when I try to install some other packages: libcrack2-dev: Depends: libcrack2 (= 2.8.12-8lenny1) but 2.8.16-1 is to be installed |
| 01:35.34 | giwe | Does anyone know about a kernel module that implements a jitter buffer? I'd like to smooth traffic that comes from wireless to a video player. |
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| 01:35.52 | dondelelcaro | autojack: why aren't you just installing the version we distribute? |
| 01:36.08 | autojack | dondelelcaro: of netatalk? |
| 01:36.12 | dondelelcaro | autojack: yes |
| 01:36.23 | autojack | dondelelcaro: as I understand it, it isn't compiled with SSL support |
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| 01:36.42 | kandinski | hi don the oracle |
| 01:36.44 | dondelelcaro | uh... does netatalk even support SSL? |
| 01:37.10 | kandinski | dondelelcaro: your answers on the anti-harassment thread were very insightful, great work |
| 01:37.13 | dondelelcaro | I guess it does now; didn't use to |
| 01:37.15 | rgr | whats the position with xorg.conf these days? Should debian squeeze work without one assuming a simple single monitor setup? |
| 01:37.16 | dondelelcaro | kandinski: ah, np |
| 01:37.29 | dondelelcaro | rgr: you normally shouldn't need one |
| 01:37.31 | dondelelcaro | kandinski: thanks |
| 01:37.40 | autojack | dondelelcaro: shrug. my goal is to use netatalk on my Debian box to enable Mac time machine backups to it. |
| 01:37.49 | autojack | I haven't found an ideal, recent guide to this though. |
| 01:37.53 | autojack | most of them reference Ubuntu. |
| 01:37.56 | rgr | I have two thinkpads both wont start without one ;( And flash is really really slow on both. |
| 01:38.03 | autojack | so I realize that I may be on a wild goose chase. |
| 01:38.15 | dondelelcaro | autojack: I see it now; you want to backport the version from testing or possibly unstable. However, I would have thought that time machine backups would work using scp or rsync or something besides netatalk |
| 01:38.27 | autojack | uhhhhhh |
| 01:38.31 | dondelelcaro | autojack: or any other method of mounting a remote filesystem, like samba, cfs, or similar |
| 01:38.39 | dondelelcaro | (since netatalk is kind of ancient) |
| 01:38.39 | autojack | sadly no |
| 01:38.41 | autojack | Apple sucks. |
| 01:38.48 | dondelelcaro | well, wouldn't be the first time for that |
| 01:38.54 | autojack | I did get it to work with Samba at one point |
| 01:39.02 | autojack | but then I made the mistake of upgrading Debian |
| 01:39.13 | autojack | which somehow broke that even though Samba appeared to still be working OK |
| 01:39.27 | autojack | and Samba's logging/error output bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooows |
| 01:39.46 | autojack | so someone suggested netatalk, and there are many recent guides to using it for this, which describe a painless process |
| 01:39.50 | autojack | sadly that is not my experience :) |
| 01:40.04 | dondelelcaro | autojack: actually, the version we distribute in lenny links against libgnutls26, so it should support ssl. |
| 01:40.12 | autojack | aha |
| 01:40.17 | autojack | cool! |
| 01:40.25 | autojack | let me try. |
| 01:40.27 | dondelelcaro | or at least, some parts of ssl in some parts of the protocol |
| 01:40.41 | autojack | mmm, OK it's already installed ;) |
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| 01:40.47 | autojack | yeah. I'll have to see. |
| 01:40.51 | dondelelcaro | since the last time I used netatalk was in the 1990s, though... I've no idea. |
| 01:41.18 | autojack | apparently it literally has a config argument now that basically says, "make this share look like an Apple Time Capsule backup device thingy" |
| 01:41.22 | autojack | and then *waves hands* |
| 01:41.27 | autojack | so that was why I wanted to try this |
| 01:41.48 | autojack | I should have stuck with Potato or whatever ancient thing I was running that was working ;) |
| 01:41.51 | autojack | NEVER UPGRADE |
| 01:41.56 | autojack | that's what I've learned over and over |
| 01:41.58 | autojack | ;) |
| 01:42.11 | dondelelcaro | autojack: you actually have to upgrade; potato machines have a few hundred known remote root exploits |
| 01:42.24 | autojack | yeah I know, I'm being tongue in cheek sort of |
| 01:42.31 | autojack | but upgrading never fails to break a few things for me. |
| 01:42.41 | autojack | I wasn't running potato, but it was something old |
| 01:42.43 | autojack | Etch maybe |
| 01:42.51 | dondelelcaro | etch is only one release out |
| 01:43.10 | autojack | yeah well I came in here asking for help and got a tirade of GOOD GOD MAN YOU NEED TO ___UPGRADE___ |
| 01:43.12 | dondelelcaro | potato is about four |
| 01:43.14 | autojack | so I did |
| 01:43.32 | autojack | it's OK, I've been using Linux for 11 years, I'm used to all this stuff. |
| 01:43.55 | dondelelcaro | well, potato is almost as old as your linux experience. |
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| 01:44.02 | ganrahi | :) |
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| 01:45.06 | autojack | hehe |
| 01:46.05 | autojack | it was a joke! |
| 01:46.08 | autojack | I wasn't really running Potato! |
| 01:46.16 | autojack | I did run it at one point I thin. |
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| 01:48.22 | autojack | ok, thanks for the help. I'll have to mess with this more when I get home. |
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| 02:12.27 | doublehp | is it possible to install OOo with less than 200MB disk ? |
| 02:12.47 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: almost certainly not |
| 02:12.58 | doublehp | :/ |
| 02:13.06 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: though I suppose it may be possible to shoehorn some kind of custom build into that |
| 02:13.14 | pfred1 | you'll have to delete some of your furrypr0n collection I'm afraid |
| 02:13.23 | doublehp | pfred1: OT |
| 02:13.36 | pfred1 | doublehp GF |
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| 02:18.20 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: why not shove a larger disk or something in? |
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| 02:19.35 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i have choosen to create a 2G partition, because i thought i would have time to install a more serious OS later ... fact is ... "later" has not come yet |
| 02:20.17 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: 2G is usually enough for a few days, for a rescue debian; problem is that i am now starting to use this one on daily basis ... I have 20G free on the side |
| 02:21.00 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: so mount into single user and enlarge the partition, or leave it as / and give part of the 20 as /usr or similar |
| 02:21.35 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i know i can do it, but i never done it; i am not sure i will suceed in this on the first shot |
| 02:22.08 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: can i enlarge and shrink a mounted ext4 ? |
| 02:24.13 | kandinski | for a chroot, what are the benefits or drawbacks of mounting /proc and such in the fstab versus in a shell script? |
| 02:25.05 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro yes i am torn over whether I should keep my present OS going or try another distro out |
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| 02:25.47 | pfred1 | Squeeze seems to have a lot of what I don't like about Ubuntu just without any of the benefits |
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| 02:29.15 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: to expand: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/usr ; cp -a /usr/* /mnt/usr/ ; edit fstab ; reboot ; ... but how to revert ? |
| 02:29.31 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i mean, revert from live machine, is it possible ? |
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| 02:33.36 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: not sure what you mean by revert? |
| 02:33.45 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you don't need to reboot, either. |
| 02:34.18 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i may install OOo, and then an other small thing; then remove OOo, and want to revert to single partition, getting back independant of sda5 ... |
| 02:34.18 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: I'm not sure what you're refering to when you talk about "Squeeze seems to have a lot of what I don't like about Ubuntu just without any of the benefits" |
| 02:34.42 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: oh. You can just remove the mounting of /usr there |
| 02:34.50 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: is it possible to push back the new /usr to the old place, without using PXE , CD, or alternate Linux ? |
| 02:34.51 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: of course, any changes that you've made to /usr will be lost |
| 02:35.05 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: sure, you just boot into single user, and copy the changes back |
| 02:35.08 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: yes, and thus the aptitude package list would get wrong ! |
| 02:35.11 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: sure |
| 02:35.21 | doublehp | so, how to revert without breaking the box ? |
| 02:35.22 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: which is why you either don't change /usr much, or you copy the changes back |
| 02:35.48 | dondelelcaro | or you do what you should have done in the first place, and use LVM |
| 02:36.11 | doublehp | no, LVM is not acceptable |
| 02:37.09 | doublehp | anyway, if LVM could let me shrink my / later (on live system of course), then i could now expand my ext4 without LVM anyway, i have free space at the right place |
| 02:38.31 | dondelelcaro | uh... LVM is exactly the reason why you do this kind of thing; it allows shrinking and growing of partitions on the fly |
| 02:38.51 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: found: operations that can not be done on live system, and would usually be done by normal people using a live CD ... i will do them in rescue mode; not the debian rescue mode, but init=/bin/bash ... there i have all tools, and could play with my usr |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | now, most filesystems don't allow online shrinking, but that's not LVM's fault |
| 02:39.05 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: the problem is not the partition, the problem is the filesystem ! |
| 02:39.09 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you don't need init=/bin/bash. It's called single user mode. |
| 02:39.23 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: yes, so? |
| 02:39.26 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: i fear single user debian mode will moint /usr .... |
| 02:39.39 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: it does, but you can trivially unmount it |
| 02:39.47 | macrobat | why not use a live cd or something? |
| 02:39.49 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: so, my question have always been; can i expand and shrink ext4 on live system ? |
| 02:40.00 | dondelelcaro | macrobat: because live cds suck |
| 02:40.10 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you can expand ext4. I don't know if you can shrink it |
| 02:40.13 | macrobat | ? :D |
| 02:40.15 | dondelelcaro | has never tried |
| 02:40.27 | doublehp | macrobat: i will have to do this operation in the train, with laptop; and i don't have any live CD that can stand ext4 |
| 02:40.47 | doublehp | macrobat: at home, i have a nice PXE with live NFS ... but i won't be at home |
| 02:40.51 | dondelelcaro | macrobat: the main reason is invariably a live CD has the wrong version of the kernel, various utilities, etc. If you can do without one, it's always better to do without one |
| 02:41.00 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: expand ext4 ... live or off ? |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: online |
| 02:41.16 | doublehp | cool; i really must write that down somewhere |
| 02:41.18 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: ext3 and 4 both support online resizing (or at least, online growing) |
| 02:41.21 | doublehp | shrink offline ? |
| 02:41.30 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: of course |
| 02:41.43 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if they support online shrinking; that's always more complicated |
| 02:41.46 | doublehp | which tool ? |
| 02:42.19 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: resize2fs |
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| 02:43.44 | lolcat | Hello |
| 02:43.53 | lolcat | Is there a ircd that is apt-gettable with services? |
| 02:44.38 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: for growth online, and shrink offline ? it will do both ? |
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| 02:46.36 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:46.39 | lenswipe | can someone help with this: ERROR: could not find gem rubygems-update locally or in a repository |
| 02:46.46 | lenswipe | i cant update rubygems |
| 02:46.49 | lenswipe | im running lenny stable |
| 02:47.59 | peterrooney | wonders if lolcat works for Candid Camera |
| 02:49.34 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 02:50.32 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: at the time i moint sda5 over /usr, old /usr contains 1G ... how can i free this space without reboot ? |
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| 02:56.08 | lenswipe | how to update rubygems on lenny stable? |
| 02:59.18 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: go back to single user, umount /usr, rm /usr/, and then remount /usr |
| 02:59.49 | doublehp | k bed time. thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:59.53 | nkuttler | lenswipe: i'd guess the people in #ruby would know more about this. when i dabbled in ruby i built in from source fwiw |
| 03:00.01 | lenswipe | nkuttler, they dont |
| 03:00.07 | nkuttler | sol |
| 03:00.15 | dondelelcaro | heh. ruby gems are a fundamentially bad idea on a system which actually has a working package management system. |
| 03:00.18 | lenswipe | nkuttler, and some dipshit disabled rubygems update--system on debian |
| 03:00.32 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: yeah, because rubygems isn't something you want to use on Debian. |
| 03:00.50 | lenswipe | why |
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| 03:01.15 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: because updating packages outside of the existing package management system is a bad idea |
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| 03:03.32 | lenswipe | why |
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| 03:04.45 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: because it doesn't scale, isn't reproducible, doesn't provide security, and will lead to pain |
| 03:05.03 | dondelelcaro | pain in the form of unstable APIs, random things breaking, etc. |
| 03:05.14 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyExtras/OnRubygems and associated posts |
| 03:05.41 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, is that why debian still has php5.2 and skype 4 in the repos? |
| 03:06.02 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: huh? |
| 03:06.14 | lenswipe | the most recent version of PHP in the repos is 5.2 |
| 03:06.16 | lenswipe | which is ancient |
| 03:06.30 | lenswipe | the stuff in apt-get is probably older than me |
| 03:06.30 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: no, it's 5.3.3, and the most recent version of php in lenny is 5.2.6 |
| 03:06.46 | dondelelcaro | lenswipe: well, feel free to use another distribution, then. |
| 03:06.53 | lenswipe | dondelelcaro, i might :p |
| 03:07.03 | lenswipe | ....or i might just install rubygems :p |
| 03:07.10 | lenswipe | either way afk for a shower |
| 03:07.16 | dondelelcaro | well, don't ask for help here about it, then. |
| 03:07.57 | peterrooney | doublehp: at a wild guess (and this is just a first guess) "/bin/umount /usr; /bin/mv /usr /usr-old ; /bin/mount /usr" |
| 03:08.06 | ggggbabybabybaby | donatilo: So I shouldn't be using CPAN then? |
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| 03:08.46 | nirazio | what is meant by hit in update???? |
| 03:08.52 | doublehp | peterrooney: murphy says ... something will try to happen during the ms in the glith ... |
| 03:09.24 | peterrooney | doublehp: you are absolutely right, but i can't think of another solution off top of head |
| 03:09.38 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: that's why you go to singleuser mode |
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| 03:10.24 | nkuttler | ggggbabybabybaby: that really depends on your needs. the canonical answer is no. there are packages to build cpan debs. |
| 03:11.02 | ggggbabybabybaby | sorry donatilo, i meant to address dondelelcaro |
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| 03:11.35 | nirazio | what is mean by hit in update??? |
| 03:11.52 | nkuttler | nirazio: what are you talking about? |
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| 03:12.41 | doublehp | thanks,; good night |
| 03:13.35 | nirazio | nkutter: While updating using "sudo apt-get update" some of the results shows Hit and Some shows Ign..What is the meaning of that?? |
| 03:13.50 | ganrahi | nirazio: it just so you can see what files were checked |
| 03:15.20 | nirazio | ganrahi: What??? |
| 03:16.20 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: a Hit just means that it did a request, and found out that the file hadn't been updaetd |
| 03:16.21 | ganrahi | nirazio: I don't see the problem. You have 'ignored' and basically 'not ignored' (called 'hit' here) |
| 03:16.25 | dondelelcaro | s/updaetd/updated/ |
| 03:17.26 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: but it's not like it matters, unless there is a problem |
| 03:17.41 | nirazio | ganrahi: what does this mean? Ign http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main Translation-en_IN |
| 03:18.17 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: that whatever is in that file hasn't changed |
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| 03:18.34 | iluminator101 | How do I not upgrade certain packages in debian |
| 03:18.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell iluminator101 -about hold |
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| 03:20.59 | s5s | does anyone know how to send a mail message with alpine with file foo as the message?? I only need the command. My alpine is configured. |
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| 03:22.30 | nirazio | dondelelcaro: Thank you |
| 03:23.01 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, here is paste bin http://pastebin.com/fuMiNNnJ I want hold the libmono- packages and upgrade the rest |
| 03:23.40 | nirazio | I'd like to output a list of all installed packages into a text file, so that I can review it and bulk-install on another system. How to do this? |
| 03:25.00 | dvs | nirazio: dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:25.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell nirazio -about installed |
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| 03:25.43 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: to you never want to upgrade them? or what? |
| 03:26.14 | iluminator101 | i dont use mono, its garbage |
| 03:26.33 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: then why do you have it installed? |
| 03:27.28 | nirazio | dondelelcaro: But is there any GUI to list all installed packages??? |
| 03:27.49 | s5s | Any help with (al)pine? |
| 03:28.24 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: sure, but why would you want one? there are litterally thousands of packages installed on most systems |
| 03:28.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell s5s -about ask |
| 03:28.45 | s5s | !tell s5s ask |
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| 03:30.18 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, it came with debian, i tried to remove it |
| 03:30.26 | pfred1 | can't synaptic display installed packages? |
| 03:30.45 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: presumably |
| 03:30.50 | dondelelcaro | doesn't use synaptic, though |
| 03:31.22 | pfred1 | I just got into a fight with some turd in ##linux over me looking for a GUI to deal with udev |
| 03:31.31 | s5s | dondelelcaro: I have a list of emails to which I have to send the same message. what is the command for alpine so that I can write a 4 line bash script and do the task in 2 minutes :) |
| 03:31.43 | pfred1 | the brightest thing they seemed to be able to say was lol |
| 03:31.52 | dvs | lol |
| 03:31.56 | dvs | darn! |
| 03:32.09 | s5s | dondelelcaro: by the command I mean the command to send a message with file "foo" as the message |
| 03:32.16 | pfred1 | I actually asked them if their fingers were glued to the L and O buttons |
| 03:32.32 | nirazio | dondelelcaro: I want to list all installed packages without its dependencies.. |
| 03:32.35 | ganrahi | pfred1: You should really mind your language. And stop lying, too, you were given several answers and still you didn't stop trolling. |
| 03:32.51 | pfred1 | ganrahi what answer was I given? |
| 03:33.14 | s5s | nirazio: dpkg --get-selections doesn't work? |
| 03:33.25 | pfred1 | ganrahi and I didn't use any language i wasn't aware of by the time I was 5 years old |
| 03:33.37 | ganrahi | pfred1: That there is no GUI. Period. Then you started ranting about.. "But why?", "Python could..", blabla. |
| 03:34.16 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, problem solved i remove mono |
| 03:34.17 | iluminator101 | thanks |
| 03:34.17 | ganrahi | pfred1: Channels have a certain etiquette. Don't use strong language is one point. |
| 03:34.18 | pfred1 | ganrahi you know i could scroll back and see just who's lying here my buffer is that large ... |
| 03:34.23 | s5s | nirazio: you can try dpkg -l too |
| 03:34.50 | ganrahi | pfred1: Sure, paste it to a site of your choice. |
| 03:34.56 | pfred1 | ganrahi but you don't want me to do that now do you? |
| 03:35.01 | nirazio | s5s: That's working but for example it shows everything..I have installed squid3 but it shows squid-common etc etc..I want to list all the main packages alone.. |
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| 03:35.33 | ganrahi | pfred1: 1) Nobody will read it 2) You'll embarass yourself |
| 03:36.32 | pfred1 | ganrahi I want to see one line where I said "But why?" |
| 03:37.13 | s5s | nirazio: write a script to keep only the main part of the package name? for instance octave-common will turn into octave? |
| 03:38.04 | s5s | Anyone use alpine. Come on? Doesn't anyone use terminal mail clients? I need some help pls |
| 03:38.58 | pfred1 | ganrahi yeah I just scrolled back didn't see the But Why line so I guess you're the liar here not I |
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| 03:39.33 | stew | pfred1: ganrahi: i'm not sure what you two are on about, but it seems like the usefull part of the conversation is probably over and we should move on... |
| 03:40.33 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: why? what are you trying to do? |
| 03:40.35 | pfred1 | stew ganrahi was just busy defaming my character and I took offence to it is all sorry |
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| 03:41.22 | ganrahi | *plonk* |
| 03:42.05 | dondelelcaro | ganrahi: if you're going to ignore someone, just ignore them. You don't need to tell us about it |
| 03:43.31 | s5s | dondelelcaro: he's trying to get a list of all the packages installed on his system and isntall them on another one. |
| 03:44.03 | pfred1 | why not redirect the output of dpkg -l * ? |
| 03:44.04 | dondelelcaro | nirazio: if you want to clone a system, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 03:44.16 | dvs | dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 03:44.16 | dpkg | dvs: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:44.17 | JairunCa1oth | What's the proper way to add a filename with spaces to /etc/exports? |
| 03:44.18 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: because that lists uninstalled packages too |
| 03:44.19 | s5s | nirazio: another thing you can do is look at your apt log and just get a list of additional packages installed/removed and install/remove them. |
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| 03:44.35 | JairunCa1oth | escaping it with \ doesn't work, ' doesn't work and "" breaks it |
| 03:44.44 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro well some package command must only list installed ones |
| 03:44.45 | dondelelcaro | JairunCa1oth: don't? |
| 03:44.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell pfred1 -about installed |
| 03:45.05 | JairunCa1oth | dondelelcaro: not an option |
| 03:46.11 | dondelelcaro | JairunCa1oth: then have the whole name in "" or use \040 |
| 03:46.18 | dondelelcaro | JairunCa1oth: man 5 exports |
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| 04:08.15 | t3a | msg dpkg lamp |
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| 04:18.43 | jeeves_moss | has anyone here come accross VMWare not restarting after a reboot? I'm getting "VMware Server Host Agent: failed" |
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| 04:30.15 | t3a | The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server. |
| 04:30.16 | t3a | Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80 |
| 04:30.30 | t3a | can someone help? |
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| 04:35.15 | s5s | If i have an installed package let's say alpine can I apply a patch over it? manually? |
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| 04:49.04 | froggyman | hello, I just installed windows on my computer over a Debian instal (on a seperate partition) |
| 04:49.19 | froggyman | but now windows starts by default, how can I get get GRUB back? |
| 04:50.06 | froggyman | Do i just need to add the boot flag to the ext3 debian partition to get grub back? |
| 04:50.34 | froggyman | decides to give a try |
| 04:54.04 | t3a | The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server. |
| 04:54.39 | Shadow` | if froggyman would've waited a few min longer |
| 04:54.40 | Shadow` | XD |
| 04:54.43 | Shadow` | inpatient ppl |
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| 05:03.00 | froggyman | alright, so I set my ext3 partition to have the boot flag |
| 05:03.14 | froggyman | but then after its loaded it says that no operating system is found |
| 05:03.19 | froggyman | what do I do then> |
| 05:03.46 | t3a | The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server. |
| 05:04.13 | froggyman | how could I re install grub? |
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| 05:10.03 | f_niten` | Hi guys |
| 05:10.12 | geekosopher | f_niten`: hi |
| 05:10.14 | f_niten` | I'd like to make apt-get install a package, no questions asked |
| 05:10.20 | f_niten` | Is there a way to do that? |
| 05:10.38 | f_niten` | I know about -y and --force-yes... |
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| 05:11.06 | f_niten` | But the package insists on asking a bunch of other questions...I just want to install, then copy in a config from elsewhere, in a script |
| 05:11.32 | Boohemian | is there a way to remove all packages that start with xfce4 with aptitude, e.g. aptitude remove xfce4* would remove all xfce4apps? |
| 05:12.10 | xk | "I think there's going to be a rapid desire for high performance. And I think we're way ahead on that," Balsillie continued during Thursday's earnings call. "And I think CIO friendliness, we're way ahead on that." |
| 05:12.12 | xk | er |
| 05:12.20 | xk | missed a tab :) |
| 05:12.38 | xk | "I think there's going to be a rapid desire for high performance. And I think we're way ahead on that," Balsillie continued during Thursday's earnings call. "And I think CIO friendliness, we're way ahead on that." |
| 05:12.41 | xk | waht the fuck |
| 05:12.52 | xk | i did prefix the past with /msg <nick> |
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| 05:12.55 | xk | and it deletes it somehow |
| 05:15.27 | geekosopher | Boohemian: apt-get remove xfce4* will remove all packages whose name starts with xfce |
| 05:15.37 | geekosopher | xfce4 that is |
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| 05:16.33 | geekosopher | Boohemian: if you want to remove the config file also then do 'purge' instead of 'remove' |
| 05:16.57 | Boohemian | geekosopher: i think i just found the culprit that will take care of most of my problems. i removed "x11-common" and it removed 1.1GB of crap. i guess when i setup this webserver, i installed desktop apps, because i was developing it on a virtual machine and was lazy :) |
| 05:17.08 | Boohemian | geekosopher: can i get rid of the configs after i do remove, or not easily? |
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| 05:17.36 | geekosopher | Boohemian: never tried that :S |
| 05:19.07 | Boohemian | i just borked my server. aptitude remove x11-common removed network-manager ... what's a non-x11 equiv of this, so i can get my websites to load again? |
| 05:19.11 | Boohemian | i'm using lenny |
| 05:22.19 | geekosopher | time for me ask a question... Now that debian will ship the next stable with only 'free' software, what happens when I upgrade from lenny to squeeze? Will the non-free bits be removed during upgrade? |
| 05:22.52 | Arrowmaster | its only the install media that will contain only 'free' software afaik |
| 05:23.34 | pfred1 | yedah you can still have controb and nonfree in your sources.list |
| 05:23.34 | Arrowmaster | they cant just remove all non-free software from the repositories or it will make some hardware unusable |
| 05:25.04 | pfred1 | when I upgraded from lenny to Squeeze my optical drive stopped auto mounting but other than that .... |
| 05:25.20 | geekosopher | ok, so just as before, IF I have the contrib and non-free repos in my sources, the non-free bits will stay installed on upgrade |
| 05:25.33 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:25.37 | geekosopher | cool |
| 05:25.38 | pfred1 | they'll evne get upgraded |
| 05:26.33 | geekosopher | ok |
| 05:26.40 | Arrowmaster | pfred1: i think i noticed that behavior recently too, but i have the automount applet on my gnome-panel and it shows up there on inserting a cd/dvd and mounts if i click it |
| 05:27.25 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster I might be missing something I don't know |
| 05:27.25 | t3a | The requested URL /phpmyadmin/ was not found on this server. |
| 05:27.43 | pfred1 | I think lenny and squeeze automount differently |
| 05:28.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah squeeze has udisks i think which replaced something from lenny |
| 05:29.10 | pfred1 | I hate the new udev and the forced scsi emulation and uuids too |
| 05:29.16 | pfred1 | oh well |
| 05:30.52 | Boohemian | what is promiscuous mode? i am trying to fix my debian lenny server and was able to get into it and i got this before my bash prompt: http://p.linode.com/4585 |
| 05:31.10 | pfred1 | means your nic is taking all packets |
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| 05:36.36 | xk | hm... .0 :) |
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| 05:45.56 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm getting these errors in my syslog each time Cacti poller runs: ALERT - script tried to disable memory_limit by setting it to a negative value -1 bytes which is not allowed (attacker 'REMOTE_ADDR not set', file 'unknown'). Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 05:52.12 | hid3 | Anyone? |
| 05:52.26 | esaym | why is it on some guides for lenny to squeeze upgrade I see it stated to upgrade aptitude first before installing anything else? |
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| 05:53.29 | ThePub | Hasn't that always been on of those standard pieces of information for several versions? Maybe not necessary but a "precautionary" step. |
| 05:53.53 | tharkun | Because aptitude is the one responsable of solving the conflicts between versions of different programs. The logic is that as time goes by it gets more refined and should work better |
| 05:56.31 | Dewi | esaym: it drives the entire upgrade process |
| 05:56.57 | hid3 | Any ideas about the apache/suhosin/cacti error? |
| 05:57.36 | Dewi | hid3: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cacti+memory_limit+remote_addr |
| 05:57.48 | Dewi | -.au |
| 05:57.49 | Dewi | heh |
| 05:59.07 | esaym | Dewi: so it is a good thing to do then? (I have upgraded fine without it before) |
| 05:59.39 | Dewi | esaym: wouldn't it happen as part of the upgrade anyway? |
| 05:59.41 | hellnest | squeeze release is postponed? |
| 05:59.55 | Dewi | esaym: you might as well do it first to prevent problems that might have been fixed since lenny came out |
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| 06:00.20 | esaym | Dewi: ok, just wondering if there was some special fix or somethin.. |
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| 06:01.03 | Dewi | esaym: well, lenny -> squeeze certainly had some issues at some point, and since squeeze isn't finished you can expect that to be in flux, so try to follow a recent set of instructions |
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| 06:01.23 | Dewi | (not that it's very in-flux at this point, it's been frozen for a while) |
| 06:01.52 | hellnest | Dewi: is there any exact release date for squeeze? |
| 06:02.39 | Dewi | !tell hellnest about wwsr |
| 06:03.10 | hellnest | tq ^^ |
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| 06:11.18 | MacYET | oh, how did i join this communist channelß |
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| 06:19.51 | ThePub | MacYET finally realized Debian was communist? *sigh*(( |
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| 06:24.38 | peterrooney | we're even more communist than Linux developers. |
| 06:25.46 | bloodcry | heh |
| 06:27.07 | ThePub | Good to hear! As a fellow communist it's nice to know we have a home. |
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| 06:29.49 | loltoad | hey, i was hoping for soem apt tips: i want to 1) see if a package is installed explicitly or to satisfy a dependancy and 2) given an installed package list all the dependancies installed JUST for this package... aka ones that will be removed with this |
| 06:30.26 | xk | apt-cache showpkg <pkg> |
| 06:30.41 | xk | shows both forward and reverse dependencies. |
| 06:31.09 | xk | but it shows all possible reverse depends, not existing depends. |
| 06:31.17 | xk | i think |
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| 06:32.32 | loltoad | ahh |
| 06:32.40 | xk | i could be wrong. |
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| 06:34.49 | s3a | I'm chrooted into my Debian Squeeze installation and I want to install grub on the hard drive that it's on. What parameters would I use with "grub-install" (without the quotes)? |
| 06:35.13 | s3a | (using grub2) |
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| 06:36.33 | s3a | or wait, is it automatically like adding --root-directory=/ ? |
| 06:36.46 | s3a | If it's obvious to you guys, a confirmation would mean a lot to me |
| 06:37.21 | s3a | ok well neither work |
| 06:37.28 | ThePub | personally I don't find grub2 very obvious, grub was so much more plain and lilo even better. |
| 06:37.34 | xk | heh |
| 06:38.06 | loltoad | xk, does it give any indication if it was installed explicitly or as a dependancy? |
| 06:38.29 | xk | loltoad: reverse depends says that. |
| 06:38.42 | xk | no reverse depends == installed explicitly. |
| 06:38.47 | ThePub | loltoad: apt-rdepends can do the same thing as well and even produce reverse dependency maps with dotty. |
| 06:38.49 | xk | has reverse depends == installed as depend. |
| 06:39.22 | xk | hmmm cool |
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| 06:41.08 | ThePub | iirc it produce a dependency map which reflects actually installed software. |
| 06:41.26 | loltoad | xk, oh, so its not just a list of things it could potentially reversedepends? cool |
| 06:41.35 | s3a | ThePub, but do you know what to do in my case still? |
| 06:44.00 | aidalgol | I have an installer that's complaining that it needs libgtk-1.2.so.0, but only gtk2 is available on squeeze. What can I do to satisfy it? |
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| 06:44.35 | ThePub | s3a: http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html might answer your question? |
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| 06:53.30 | s3a | ThePub, I have lvm2 issues that complicate my life though |
| 06:55.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps question if my server dosnt have a swap is this bad if i got alot of memory 8 gigs going to add another 8 in month or so |
| 06:56.46 | bloodcry | erk |
| 06:56.48 | bloodcry | yes |
| 06:56.51 | ThePub | Eryn_1983_FL: Swap is not necessary if you have sufficient memory to support whatever the requirements are. That being said, it's not a bad idea to have some. |
| 06:56.53 | bloodcry | 2x RAM |
| 06:56.54 | bloodcry | ;-) |
| 06:57.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | k |
| 06:57.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | when i get another hd i will add it |
| 06:57.52 | hellnest | Swap s useless :p only useful if you often to use sleep / hibernate feature :) |
| 06:58.31 | ThePub | Eryn_1983_FL: swap can be added as a file if you *need* it. Otherwise you probably don't. |
| 06:59.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 06:59.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i am just trying to figure out why the VMs keep ah crashing i increased their memory and shared meory |
| 07:00.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | so maybe we are ok for now |
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| 07:07.32 | i5noc | anyone manage to reloack booloader on nex1 yet? |
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| 07:11.45 | jargon- | i can ping a box's hostname from cli,but can't resolve that hostname in firefox. any ideas? |
| 07:12.47 | ThePub | jargon-: any number of FF setup issues. |
| 07:13.25 | ThePub | jargon-: FF using a proxy setup, but it doesn't exist. Plugin which blocks Web sites. Etc. |
| 07:13.35 | jargon- | ThePub: damn. i was hoping it was a simple "oh u forgot to do this..." |
| 07:13.49 | jargon- | proxy....hmm |
| 07:14.23 | ThePub | jargon-: generally speaking if you can ping/trace/nslookup something than FF should work, there is no layer there except for FF itself. |
| 07:15.18 | jargon- | ThePub: it was indeed the proxy. thank u. :-) |
| 07:15.32 | ThePub | yw |
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| 07:41.11 | Boohemian | how do i search my entire hard drive for a name of a folder? |
| 07:41.50 | ThePub | find / -name <name> |
| 07:42.01 | ziroux | -type d |
| 07:42.08 | ThePub | true |
| 07:42.12 | ziroux | ;) |
| 07:42.21 | ThePub | although that'll just make it faster :) |
| 07:42.35 | ThePub | but won't give you filenames, just directories |
| 07:43.04 | Boohemian | ziroux: how? |
| 07:43.32 | Boohemian | i just did find -type d awstats and got find: paths must precede expression: awstats |
| 07:43.34 | ThePub | Boohemian: man find (really is worth a read, it's a great tool) |
| 07:43.47 | Dewi | Boohemian: you forgot -name |
| 07:43.50 | ThePub | point up.. read chatlog? |
| 07:44.20 | Dewi | Boohemian: sudo find / -type d -name '*awstat*' |
| 07:46.49 | Boohemian | thanks |
| 07:47.39 | Boohemian | any idea how i can remove this file g???[D ? i was creating something in nano and accidentally made that file |
| 07:48.18 | Boohemian | when i go 'rm ng[tab]' i get this: ng^H^H^[[D/ nginx/ nginx-0.8.53/ - i'd do rm -rf ng* but i need both those actual nginx folders... |
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| 07:49.45 | ziroux | rm 'g???[[D' |
| 07:50.08 | Dewi | Boohemian: rmdir g*d ? |
| 07:50.13 | Dewi | er |
| 07:50.15 | Dewi | ng*d |
| 07:51.40 | Boohemian | Dewi: didn't work :/ |
| 07:51.51 | Dewi | sorry |
| 07:51.54 | Dewi | ng*D |
| 07:51.59 | Boohemian | tried that too |
| 07:52.00 | Dewi | unless that's not a real d |
| 07:52.17 | ThePub | "rm -- g???[D" |
| 07:52.19 | Dewi | at this point I'd probably fire up midnight commander |
| 07:52.28 | Dewi | mc |
| 07:53.00 | Boohemian | what's that? |
| 07:53.00 | ThePub | of course, no quotes |
| 07:53.01 | Dewi | Boohemian: is this thing a dir or a file? |
| 07:53.18 | Boohemian | i can't be certain, but i think it's a file |
| 07:53.24 | Dewi | and what's the error message? |
| 07:53.55 | Boohemian | Dewi: withwhat? |
| 07:53.59 | Boohemian | ThePub: no luck |
| 07:54.02 | Dewi | Boohemian: rm ng*D |
| 07:54.43 | ThePub | Boohemian: then you're doing something wrong. "--" means "take the rest of this command and use it literally" |
| 07:54.45 | Boohemian | voila! |
| 07:54.47 | Boohemian | thanks :) |
| 07:54.51 | Boohemian | that was bloody annoying |
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| 08:20.12 | Boohemian | how do i see if i install php5 from aptitude, or if i took a binary off the net? |
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| 08:26.05 | Bushmills | Boohemian: check aptitude or apt or dpkg logs |
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| 08:30.37 | poisonbit | Boohemian, also phpinfo gives debian in the title (i.e. PHP Version 5.2.6-1+lenny9) , and build dates |
| 08:31.55 | poisonbit | else apt, aptitude, dpkg -l whatever to see which packages are installed, and as addon you can check installed files whit the debsums package |
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| 09:44.45 | the-dude | doublehp: yes saned or scanner read documentation |
| 09:44.57 | doublehp | the-dude: where ? I am searching |
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| 09:47.29 | the-dude | wiki.debian.org |
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| 09:49.45 | Cope | Hi... is there a dpkg-query invocation that lists the packages installed to your machine in chronological order? |
| 09:49.58 | Cope | can't see how to from the man page |
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| 09:53.00 | the-dude | Cope: dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 09:53.05 | Bushmills | there exist log files, which you could probably grep for those lines reflecting installed package state. a bit tricky is to remove those subsequently removed |
| 09:53.26 | Bushmills | assuming chronologically relates to installation order |
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| 10:33.05 | i5noc | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 this is a test of the bot, i'll likely regret, oh well. sorry jayne or something |
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| 10:38.15 | shalok | Sometimes while I'm browsing through the KDE start button menu, the menu will just abruptly close (as if an application had opened). What causes this and do I prevent it? |
| 10:39.20 | mactimes | Hello everyone. I've just installed clonezilla-live, Debian based version, in my office computers. So far all was going fine. But I got this older PC, the only one identifying the hard drive and partitions as hd/hdx instead of sd/sdx. Latest Debian is installed in one of the partitions (the system we're running) and there is Clonezilla in another partition. I've been searching around on Google and it seems it used to work fine on previous v |
| 10:39.20 | mactimes | ersions of clonezilla (Debian Live Boot). Could someone, please help? |
| 10:39.24 | Cullz | shalok: are you using a laptop? |
| 10:39.36 | shalok | Cullz, nope |
| 10:39.45 | Cullz | shalok: this happens on my laptop (on any desktop environment) because of the mouse sensitivity |
| 10:40.18 | shalok | Cullz, Why does mouse sensitivity have anything to do with it? |
| 10:40.19 | mactimes | The message comes from Debian Live image. "live boot will now start a shell. The error message was: Unable to find a medium containing a live file system". |
| 10:40.39 | shalok | Cullz, Typically when it happens I'm not even moving the mouse, I'm just reading through the menu contents. |
| 10:41.18 | Cullz | shalok: sounds like your problem is different to mine. sometimes my laptop mouse thinks it's clicking when it isn't |
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| 10:43.08 | shalok | Cullz, Oh I think I understand what you're talking about. Yeah this has nothing to do with 'clicking' on touchpads. I'm using a real mouse. |
| 10:43.42 | Cullz | shalok: well good luck. have you tried gnome/xfce/lxde ? |
| 10:44.09 | shalok | Cullz, Only briefly, but I didn't notice the problem with any of them. |
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| 10:45.56 | Cullz | shalok: perhaps try asking in #kde channel: /join #kde |
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| 10:48.57 | habanero | anyone have any experience with preseed files to setup md raid with lvm? |
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| 10:50.32 | the-dude | habanero: a bit |
| 10:51.00 | zophy | does the debian installer provide for resizing an existing windows partition ? |
| 10:51.22 | habanero | the-dude, i can get a raid set configured. but appear not to be able to get valid partitions on the device |
| 10:52.07 | zophy | i want put debien onto window having disk, is possible ? |
| 10:52.38 | b_52light | anyone upgraded from lenny to testing successfully |
| 10:52.38 | the-dude | habanero: I had issues with partman :/ documentations/support where limited so I gave up hope |
| 10:52.46 | petemc | zophy: yes, but if you're using windows 7 its generally safer to resize the disk within windows |
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| 10:53.36 | zophy | petemc: ah, this is win7 |
| 10:53.41 | zophy | hmm |
| 10:54.25 | habanero | the-dude: I can understand that! It does seem to be something of a black art |
| 10:57.01 | the-dude | habanero: It didn't work like I expected, tried some examples but they didn't work like expected either :( |
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| 11:03.03 | habanero | the-dude: yeah i have the same - also I have a similar system setup looking at the raid/lvm related sections in the pressed file generated by debconf-get-selections reveals very different syntax to that of examples found using google |
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| 11:16.28 | linksrum | could anyone help me with ulogd + pgsql ? |
| 11:17.33 | qq- | !ask |
| 11:17.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:19.49 | c0nsense | hello! someone know why it's happen? http://pastebin.com/E4Q3hFkT |
| 11:19.55 | ov3rmind | nice morrrning |
| 11:19.59 | c0nsense | it's don't leave from 0% |
| 11:20.23 | linksrum | i try to connect ulogd to pgsql db. but i get an error in ulogd.log stating cant connect to db. the same setup on gentoo box works perfectly. how to debug this? |
| 11:22.42 | acemi | c0nsense: it seems that there is no network connection |
| 11:23.00 | acemi | c0nsense: could you ping this server |
| 11:23.31 | c0nsense | acemi: i'm with network connection, because i can ping any place.. for example. google.com |
| 11:23.49 | acemi | c0nsense: 212.211.132.250 ? |
| 11:23.52 | c0nsense | acemi: 64 bytes from bs-in-f104.1e100.net (64.233.163.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=26.8 ms |
| 11:23.58 | c0nsense | acemi: let me see |
| 11:24.20 | c0nsense | acemi: 64 bytes from 212.211.132.250: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=222 ms |
| 11:25.26 | acemi | so there may be a problem in the server |
| 11:25.48 | c0nsense | acemi: can you show me your sources.list? |
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| 11:26.35 | acemi | http://paste.debian.net/102598/ |
| 11:27.40 | c0nsense | acemi: how can see my debian version? |
| 11:28.19 | acemi | c0nsense: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:28.34 | c0nsense | acemi: 5.0.6 |
| 11:28.46 | acemi | c0nsense: then it's lenny |
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| 11:32.23 | c0nsense | acemi: to update for last version? |
| 11:33.15 | c0nsense | ops |
| 11:33.18 | c0nsense | acemi: latest |
| 11:33.22 | c0nsense | acemi: version |
| 11:33.43 | acemi | c0nsense: the current stable is lenny, squeeze is the testing version |
| 11:33.59 | c0nsense | acemi: oh! ok. |
| 11:34.23 | c0nsense | acemi: so, do you have any idea why i have this problem? |
| 11:35.16 | acemi | c0nsense: there maybe a temperory problem. did you update your system before? |
| 11:35.31 | acemi | c0nsense: WÄ°TH THE SAME SETTÄ°NGS? |
| 11:35.34 | acemi | SORRY |
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| 11:35.59 | c0nsense | acemi: no! just access the machine and try an apt-get update and don't work. |
| 11:36.10 | c0nsense | acemi: don't leave from 0% |
| 11:36.31 | acemi | c0nsense: can i see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:37.24 | sl1ck | My system crushed and I had to hard-reset it. Which logs hold information on the cause of the crush ? |
| 11:37.55 | c0nsense | http://paste.debian.net/102599/ |
| 11:40.41 | c0nsense | acemi: lenny is latest version 5.0.6? or 5.0.7? or 5.0.7 is squeeze? |
| 11:41.02 | acemi | c0nsense: squeeze will be 6.x |
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| 11:41.19 | c0nsense | acemi: how to put my 5.0.6 for 5.0.7? |
| 11:41.35 | acemi | c0nsense: i don't remeber the last subversion for lenny |
| 11:41.39 | linksrum | sl1ck: check /var/log/dmesg & /var/log/messages |
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| 11:41.54 | acemi | c0nsense: everything seems OK |
| 11:42.12 | c0nsense | acemi:i try reboot OS and router. |
| 11:42.16 | acemi | c0nsense: you have a network connection, sources.list is correct, the server is up |
| 11:42.40 | sl1ck | thank you linksrum |
| 11:42.57 | c0nsense | acemi: and see firewall rules. |
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| 11:44.25 | acemi | c0nsense: to check the firewall, wget http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Release |
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| 11:44.46 | acemi | c0nsense: could you download this file? |
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| 11:45.32 | c0nsense | acemi: my machine be below from a pfSense Firewall |
| 11:45.48 | c0nsense | acemi: pfSense firewall rules fails, |
| 11:45.52 | c0nsense | acemi: solved. |
| 11:45.56 | c0nsense | acemi: thanks! |
| 11:46.10 | acemi | c0nsense: you're welcome |
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| 11:49.15 | ov3rmind | anyone has running voice recognition software under lenny or squeeze ? |
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| 11:58.52 | m3tti | is there a live cd of debian ? |
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| 12:00.46 | acemi | m3tti: live.debian.net |
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| 12:04.45 | m3tti | thx acemi i've trouble with cd1 and a usb stick |
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| 12:05.27 | pexy_ | hi |
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| 12:06.13 | pexy_ | how to search packages.debian.org with multiple keywords, for example: keyword1 AND keyword2 |
| 12:06.55 | abrotman | pexy_: search what part of it? |
| 12:07.20 | Harzilein | c0nsense, acemi: a nice platform-agnostic way to get version-number and name is lsb_release -d -s |
| 12:08.00 | acemi | Harzilein: thanks |
| 12:08.19 | c0nsense | Harzilein: thanks |
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| 12:08.40 | acemi | Harzilein: but it doesn't work in my squeeze |
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| 12:09.38 | pexy_ | abrotman: i want to search package descriptions with multiple keywords and get the packages, which description contains all keywords |
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| 12:10.36 | Harzilein | acemi: hmm... i expected this to be in base as i did nothing to install it |
| 12:11.14 | abrotman | pexy_: generally, it's easier with apt-cache or aptitude |
| 12:11.20 | ziroux | pexy_: man apt-cache and scroll to 'search' |
| 12:11.28 | acemi | Harzilein: i started to install from base, then add the other packages without recommended |
| 12:11.51 | Harzilein | acemi: nope, not in base, sorry for being too quick about this :/ |
| 12:12.27 | Agiofws | is anyone having problems with squeeze and mp3 ? |
| 12:12.37 | Agiofws | ffmpeg will not dump audio mp3 to a file |
| 12:12.45 | Agiofws | its complaining |
| 12:12.56 | pexy_ | abrotman, ziroux: apt-cache isn't always in hand, packages.debian.org i can reach everywhere |
| 12:13.10 | abrotman | don't all your systems run Debian? :) |
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| 12:13.53 | syn4pse | good app to burn isos? |
| 12:14.09 | acemi | Harzilein: i'm glad to learn it |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | syn4pse: in what? gnome? kde? cli? |
| 12:16.38 | chomwitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.38 | ziroux | pexy_: of course :) also if can't reach packages.debian.org one could use search trough local cache :] |
| 12:17.50 | syn4pse | abrotman gnome, cli is fine for me whatever works good ;) |
| 12:18.41 | abrotman | pexy_: tried & or | or && ? |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | syn4pse: brasero works fine |
| 12:18.56 | syn4pse | k let me check on that |
| 12:19.51 | syn4pse | sweet gui ;) |
| 12:21.57 | ThePub | I like XFBurn personally |
| 12:22.02 | syn4pse | alright its burning seems to work like a charm ;) |
| 12:22.10 | ThePub | it's very straight forward and doesn't have any gnome dependencies :) |
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| 12:22.38 | syn4pse | brasero was preinstalled in my distribution and it works for me ;) |
| 12:22.42 | syn4pse | i ll stick to that one ;) |
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| 12:23.11 | simplechat | Heyyas, has there been any more information released about squeeze's release? |
| 12:23.20 | ThePub | when all you need is a nail hammered, it's often best to grab the close hammer. I agree! :) |
| 12:24.31 | syn4pse | the nail is in hehe |
| 12:29.01 | stew | simplechat: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce ; there was an announcement this month from the release team (from Neil) |
| 12:30.24 | simplechat | ok |
| 12:30.43 | simplechat | stew, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/12/msg00002.html is that the message you're looking for? |
| 12:32.22 | stew | i'm not looking, but if that is a message about the release from a guy named neil from this month, that's the latest announcement from the release team |
| 12:32.32 | simplechat | *you were talking about |
| 12:32.35 | simplechat | kk |
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| 12:33.05 | rysiek|pl | EHLO |
| 12:33.16 | simplechat | rysiek|pl, we arn't a SMTP server |
| 12:33.23 | simplechat | also EHLO :) |
| 12:33.26 | rysiek|pl | simplechat: OH NOES! |
| 12:33.45 | rysiek|pl | simplechat: so *that's* why my outgoing mail never seemed to be delivered... |
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| 12:33.54 | rysiek|pl | guys, anybody can help with fglrx, suspend-to-ram and debian squeeze? |
| 12:34.02 | simplechat | lol |
| 12:34.15 | rysiek|pl | simplechat: hey, suspend-to-ram is no laughing matter! |
| 12:34.21 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo |
| 12:34.41 | simplechat | rysiek|pl, thats why they kicked me out of the comedy club :( |
| 12:34.52 | rysiek|pl | simplechat: bastards |
| 12:35.02 | simplechat | yeah |
| 12:35.05 | rysiek|pl | I get a black screen after resume |
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| 12:37.29 | rysiek|pl | i.e. no video, no tty, nothing after the resume |
| 12:37.47 | rysiek|pl | any ideas? |
| 12:39.05 | Bushmills | try ctrl-alt-f1, then alt-f7 (assuming you hibernated while in an X session on vt7) |
| 12:39.33 | Bushmills | give it a second or three between ctrl-alt-f1 and alt-f7 |
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| 12:40.48 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: nope, tried it |
| 12:41.47 | Bushmills | next time, hibernate while in a shell (where backspace beeps the speaker). after resuming, press backspace, and listen. |
| 12:42.05 | ziroux | ..in the dark... |
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| 12:43.56 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: ok, nvm, your suggestion actually worked |
| 12:44.14 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: tried that on a previous version |
| 12:44.21 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: *driver version |
| 12:44.38 | rysiek|pl | Bushmills: on the newer one it worked -_-' |
| 12:44.41 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
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| 12:51.48 | gynter | hello, i removed setuid flag from /bin/su, any suggestions how can I get to root :D ? |
| 12:52.09 | gynter | using console is not possible atm |
| 12:52.11 | ThePub | login at the commandline? |
| 12:52.30 | acemi | ssh root@localhost |
| 12:52.58 | ThePub | don't have physical access to the machine or don't know how to get to the commandline? |
| 12:53.10 | gynter | no physical access |
| 12:53.15 | gynter | acemi, root logins are disabled |
| 12:53.24 | stew | gynter: sudo? |
| 12:53.28 | gynter | no sudo |
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| 12:53.35 | gynter | quite fail situation... |
| 12:54.11 | kwork | remote management card? |
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| 12:54.31 | gynter | not configured |
| 12:54.36 | syn4pse | good job :D |
| 12:54.37 | gynter | just wanted to configure IPMI sol |
| 12:54.38 | kwork | then you have failed :P |
| 12:54.56 | kwork | escalate privileges on your own box somehow or reboot it :P |
| 12:55.20 | ThePub | Yes... exploit some bug! |
| 12:55.42 | kwork | there should be plenty kernel bugs around there today :P |
| 12:55.46 | kwork | if you arent running the latest kernel |
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| 12:56.11 | kwork | thou if you are running grsecurity you are most likely out of lock |
| 12:56.15 | kwork | luck* |
| 12:56.26 | gynter | kwork, default kernel for lenny |
| 12:56.37 | gynter | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 12:56.44 | gynter | it's a fresh machine :P |
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| 12:57.23 | gynter | kwork> escalate privileges on your own box somehow or reboot it :P |
| 12:57.24 | stew | cydork: what version of linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is installed? |
| 12:57.24 | gynter | why reboot? |
| 12:57.42 | kwork | gynter, reboot livecd chroot fix suid? |
| 12:57.52 | stew | err gynter, what version of linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is installed? |
| 12:58.17 | gynter | linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-25 |
| 12:58.43 | stew | gynter: yeah, that's not the latest, so there ARE local escalation bugs |
| 12:59.34 | petemc | and you could probably get root through exim |
| 12:59.53 | chomwitt | can i edit a bts installation report i send? the output of some commands have lost linefeed chars and looks messy |
| 13:00.00 | ThePub | this is the wrong course for the conversation. |
| 13:00.11 | gynter | no exim there |
| 13:00.12 | gynter | odd |
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| 13:10.54 | syn4pse | Alright fellow nerd ;) Can some1 tell me an application I can use to scan windows partitions for windows worms? Need to clean up a couple of windows pcs.. ;) |
| 13:11.59 | ThePub | cfdisk, delete partition, create new.. reformat, install linux |
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| 13:12.24 | ThePub | Windows itself being the infection. |
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| 13:13.14 | acemi_ | no need to repartition, just reformat |
| 13:14.23 | petemc | syn4pse: apt-cache search anti virus |
| 13:14.43 | petemc | clamav is probably the most popular |
| 13:15.01 | CissWit | syn4pse: there's some antivirus working on linux : CalmAV, Kaspersky, BitDefender, Avast, Panda etc |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | or ask ##windows about a livecd |
| 13:15.14 | ThePub | does clamav work from a linux pc onto a windows partition/system? |
| 13:15.23 | petemc | of course |
| 13:15.31 | CissWit | ThePub: there's no reason it wouldn't |
| 13:15.38 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 13:18.11 | wissem | hello all.I am trying to install concky from source allthought it says that i have to install lua5.1(which i already installed) |
| 13:18.18 | wissem | any ideas please ? |
| 13:18.34 | CissWit | did you install -dev package ? |
| 13:19.01 | wissem | which one ? |
| 13:20.08 | bzed | liblua5.1-0-dev is probably a good start. |
| 13:20.18 | bzed | and everything else the program you want to compile needs |
| 13:20.50 | ThePub | "apt-get build-dep concky"? |
| 13:21.04 | ThePub | "apt-get source concky" <compile it> |
| 13:21.11 | wissem | okay bzed im installing it now :) |
| 13:21.19 | bzed | wissem: why do you want to build it from source? |
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| 13:21.36 | bzed | whats wrong with installing conky-all ? |
| 13:21.38 | bzed | wissem: ^ |
| 13:21.57 | bzed | wissem: if you have no idea how to build it properly, you usually don't want to do that as you'll create a mess on your system |
| 13:22.15 | bzed | wissem: also as ThePub said: 'apt-get build-dep conky' |
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| 13:22.35 | ganrahi | bzed: probably the -all part. Most people compile their stuff themselves due to certain compile-time options they need (or to disable the ones they don't need). |
| 13:22.46 | khaleel5000 | hi i was doing apt-get dist-upgrade (on sid doing sid update) all was going fine, it asked that /etc/sudoers file provided by package manager and one existing are different, i choose to examine the differences, and accidentally closed the shell, now i cant resume apt-get upgrade, its still showing that the process is locked |
| 13:22.52 | khaleel5000 | by soemone else |
| 13:22.57 | khaleel5000 | what tod o |
| 13:23.56 | ThePub | wissem: If you're building a package from source and going to stick with the debian setup, for the most part. You really want to get your dependencies with "build-dep" since it already knows what it needs to build. |
| 13:24.10 | khaleel5000 | exact error : http://pastebin.com/jtU44wqX |
| 13:24.15 | ThePub | wissem: Stabbing in the dark and downloading random -dev archives is not productive :) |
| 13:25.20 | ThePub | wissem: I've used the above method on a few packages to apply my own patches then to build the deb and install with great success. If you don't need to apply patches or change compile-time options, don't compile. |
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| 13:30.00 | ganrahi | khaleel5000: check "ps afU $USER" for the rogue process |
| 13:31.14 | khaleel5000 | ganrahi: http://pastebin.com/D1kq0F5E |
| 13:31.33 | khaleel5000 | thanks, now as root kill 26314? |
| 13:31.37 | khaleel5000 | and 5? |
| 13:31.41 | d3v1ous | can i install package to another location different from original when using apt-get install? |
| 13:32.31 | ganrahi | khaleel5000: probably, yes |
| 13:32.42 | ThePub | d3v1ous: why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:33.06 | ganrahi | khaleel5000: killing *4 should kill the children *5, too |
| 13:33.09 | d3v1ous | this is need by chroot enviroment, i need to install packages directly in my debootstrap enviroment |
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| 13:33.48 | d3v1ous | but by default i need to download the source, then compile and install with --prefix="/patch/to/chroot/dir" |
| 13:33.58 | ThePub | d3v1ous: wouldn't that then be possible from within the environment itself so that it's localized already, there.? |
| 13:34.00 | khaleel5000 | ganrahi: thanks |
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| 13:43.18 | iluminator101 | Hey can you guys suggest a chm reader? |
| 13:43.40 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.22 | iluminator101 | thanks |
| 13:48.50 | ganrahi | I prefer chmsee |
| 13:52.04 | Bushmills | archmage to convert to html |
| 13:52.18 | Bushmills | well, "convert" ... more like unpack. |
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| 13:55.03 | comradekingu | iluminator101: try chm2pdf |
| 13:55.06 | comradekingu | or similar |
| 14:02.54 | iluminator101 | chm2pdf xterm app? |
| 14:05.08 | ganrahi | commandline interface, yes |
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| 14:07.36 | LemensTS | When installing mysql-server, it asks for a root password, and to confirm it. Is there any way to make it automated, so I can install mysql-server with a script that will fill out the password? |
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| 14:08.00 | mosno | does debian-installer for debian 5.0.7 support md raid /boot and LVM? |
| 14:08.24 | mosno | ie. /boot on an md raid1, and the rest on an LVM on an md raid10 |
| 14:09.07 | iluminator101 | thanks ganrahi |
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| 14:14.45 | ziroux | LemensTS: search here http://serverfault.com/questions/19367/scripted-install-of-mysql-on-ubuntu - it's possible with You need to preseed the debconf database. debconf needs to be installed first before you try this. |
| 14:14.49 | ziroux | The version of mysql and ubuntu could change the line: |
| 14:14.52 | ziroux | echo mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select PASSWORD | debconf-set-selections |
| 14:14.55 | ziroux | echo mysql-server mysql-server/root_password_again select PASSWORD | debconf-set-selections |
| 14:14.58 | ziroux | For example you made need this instead: |
| 14:15.01 | ziroux | echo mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password password PASSWORD | debconf-set-selections |
| 14:15.04 | ziroux | echo mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password_again password PASSWORD | debconf-set-selections |
| 14:15.07 | ziroux | link|flag |
| 14:15.10 | ziroux | answered Jun 4 '09 at 3:48 |
| 14:15.12 | ziroux | Steven |
| 14:15.15 | ziroux | 54216 |
| 14:15.16 | ziroux | dammn new keyboard :\ i'm sorry |
| 14:15.19 | ziroux | oh f..k |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | you really didn't have to paste the whole thing in here |
| 14:17.20 | ziroux | i know :/ |
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| 14:18.48 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 14:18.58 | lolufail | dotdeb packages are highly discouraged, right? |
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| 14:19.35 | lolufail | I previously used the php5-fpm packages from experimental on squeeze, now the -fpm one is gone -.- |
| 14:19.46 | lolufail | any other way to get fpm? |
| 14:20.17 | abrotman | *extremely* discouraged |
| 14:20.39 | lolufail | abrotman: yeah, the segfault with gallery2 :D |
| 14:20.45 | lolufail | they* |
| 14:20.48 | abrotman | lolufail: you would grab the source package and rebuild it .. obviously that means you have to do your own packaging for each new version (security related, etc) |
| 14:21.01 | LemensTS | ziroux: thans |
| 14:21.16 | lolufail | abrotman: that's what I want to avoid, I even use apt-cron for security updates... |
| 14:21.23 | bzed | abrotman: extremely discouraged crap that went into php upstream |
| 14:21.40 | bzed | lolufail: just don't use php. |
| 14:21.42 | lolufail | bzed: you mean FPM? |
| 14:21.52 | lolufail | @crap |
| 14:22.05 | bzed | PHP 5.3.3 is released and now bundles PHP-FPM, with all of the new improvements - adaptive process spawning, the new INI file format and include support, basic metrics for reporting, and more. If your code is PHP 5.3 compliant, it is highly recommended that you upgrade to take advantage of the built-in PHP-FPM support now (not to mention mysqlnd and all the other new features.) |
| 14:22.07 | lolufail | bzed: I dont really have a choice @fpm ;) |
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| 14:22.31 | abrotman | bzed: which part? dotdeb or fpm? :) |
| 14:22.38 | stew | i read that as "adaptive process spamming" |
| 14:22.59 | lolufail | I have really good experience with fpm |
| 14:23.13 | lolufail | quite stable in the debian experimental versions :) |
| 14:23.18 | lolcat | frames per minute? |
| 14:23.26 | lolufail | fastcgi processmanager |
| 14:23.32 | abrotman | lolufail: i think they just felt it was too new/unstable/untested to release with stable |
| 14:23.36 | lolcat | cgi, *pukes* |
| 14:24.02 | lolcat | I thougth the reason people used php was to not have to use cgi... |
| 14:24.29 | lolufail | abrotman: but even squeeze packed 5.3.3., shouldnt FPM be included if it's included upstream since that version? |
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| 14:24.43 | bzed | lolufail: no, you use fcgi with php to have a bit more security |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman | lolufail: they just disabled it .. |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | guess he didn't care! |
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| 14:26.19 | lolcat | I guess he did... |
| 14:26.41 | lolufail | argh, could anyone /msg me what I missed ;)? |
| 14:27.58 | abrotman | you didn't miss much |
| 14:28.06 | abrotman | <bzed> lolufail: no, you use fcgi with php to have a bit more security |
| 14:28.15 | lolufail | thanks |
| 14:28.31 | abrotman | though i think that was intended for lolcat |
| 14:28.37 | lolufail | :) |
| 14:28.53 | bzed | uhm yes |
| 14:29.59 | lolufail | anyways, weird the maintainer decided not to include fpm in 5.3.3. |
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| 15:06.40 | mbruins | hello, could someone have a look at this paste: http://paste.debian.net/102612/ . some package is broken and i think it has something to do whit the recently added and removes again backports repo. im not sure what to do. i dont want to break this box. |
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| 15:09.54 | linksrum | no problem, just accept |
| 15:10.10 | stew | judd: versions libdns58 |
| 15:10.13 | judd | Package libdns58 on i386 -- lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R3+dfsg-0+lenny1 |
| 15:10.21 | linksrum | libdns58 replaces older version |
| 15:10.21 | mbruins | linksrum: what is whole scory thingy? |
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| 15:10.29 | stew | weird, rmadison isn't picking that up |
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| 15:11.08 | linksrum | dont know. it's something about pinning priorities, i guess |
| 15:11.27 | pythoned | Hi, I'm trying to install my ati drivers. I followed the wiki guide but the drivers can not start. I have a 64 bit kernel and the system is i386. I tried also the bigmem kernel but no luck. Any suggestions? |
| 15:12.15 | mbruins | linksrum: i dont really like it.. i need to read more about it |
| 15:12.22 | mbruins | linksrum: before i break this system |
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| 15:12.45 | linksrum | don't be too afraid |
| 15:12.49 | siriusnova | hello |
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| 15:13.07 | siriusnova | if I wiped out /var/log with rm -rf * that isnt a bad thing right? |
| 15:13.10 | linksrum | i use to solve such situations with aptitude |
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| 15:13.31 | abrotman | siriusnova: only if you wanted the logs |
| 15:13.40 | siriusnova | i dont want the logs |
| 15:13.41 | mbruins | linksrum: but i think its a ugly situation and im wondering what i did wrong and how i can fix it clean :) |
| 15:13.46 | stew | well some programs will fail to start if their log directory doesn't exist |
| 15:13.46 | linksrum | @siriusnova: reload syslog |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | siriusnova: you may have to recreate subdirs |
| 15:14.03 | siriusnova | damn |
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| 15:14.39 | siriusnova | linksrum - hmm? |
| 15:14.50 | linksrum | @mbruins: it is fairly clean, at least for debian. |
| 15:15.38 | siriusnova | linksrum what do you mean? |
| 15:15.40 | linksrum | @sirius: some programs may fail to start. therefore reload syslog. if you dont want logs, disable syslog at all. i wouldn't do that, anyway |
| 15:15.47 | siriusnova | oh |
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| 15:16.16 | linksrum | the best thing about linux is probably it's logging. it helps a lot... |
| 15:16.57 | linksrum | is out for a smoke |
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| 15:18.22 | LemensTS | If im install debian on a lan that has a dhcp server, how can i make the installer let me enter a static ip instead of using the dhcp server? |
| 15:18.40 | LemensTS | without unplugging the cord of course |
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| 15:19.59 | mbruins | do i have to run popularity-contest manually? |
| 15:22.09 | linksrum | @mbruis: it's triggered by cron |
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| 15:23.12 | mbruins | linksrum: how can i checked its actually running once a week by cron? |
| 15:23.15 | pythoned | No one has any suggestions for me? |
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| 15:24.31 | mbruins | linksrum: well i did dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest and there i could set it, thanks for youre awnsers! |
| 15:25.11 | linksrum | @pythoned: i386 system and 64bit kernel? how did you do that? |
| 15:25.47 | abrotman | LemensTS: hit cancel when it tries to autoconfig |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | linksrum: there is a 64bit kernel in the i386 system |
| 15:26.11 | LemensTS | thx will try |
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| 15:26.16 | abrotman | pythoned: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 15:26.50 | pythoned | abrotman: The system is 32 bit, the kernel is 64..I've checked. |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | that wasn't what i asked |
| 15:29.01 | pythoned | abrotman: One second, I will tell you the output. |
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| 15:30.18 | tux33 | was findet ihr ist ein guter name fuer den zweiten webserver www3.domain.tld oder web2.domain.tld? |
| 15:30.38 | tux33 | sorry wrong room |
| 15:30.52 | SlayerXP | tux33: wrong protocol too. |
| 15:31.02 | SlayerXP | this is IRC, we have channels not rooms. |
| 15:31.08 | SlayerXP | try AOL next door. |
| 15:31.31 | tux33 | ;-) |
| 15:31.47 | tux33 | aol arabs online ;-) |
| 15:32.09 | tux33 | we have a israel room on aol and a lot of arabs are in this room |
| 15:32.41 | tux33 | so i call it arabs online and aol have a office in egypt .. but not in israel |
| 15:32.42 | AimHere | A lot of arabs are in Israel |
| 15:33.03 | tux33 | yes 10 or 20% but more are in the chat channel |
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| 15:33.30 | adv_ | where can i see which modules get loaded? |
| 15:33.54 | linksrum | lsmod |
| 15:34.13 | adv_ | linksrum, no i mean on startup |
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| 15:34.45 | pythoned | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | pythoned: did you follow the instructions on the wiki? |
| 15:35.14 | abrotman | tux33: this is #debian .. do you need help with Debian ? |
| 15:36.21 | tux33 | oh its debian not now thx ;-) |
| 15:36.29 | linksrum | @adv: dmesg |
| 15:36.44 | tux33 | my debian is fine now but soon i have to make some updates thx |
| 15:37.06 | adv_ | no, how can i specify modules to be loaded on startup |
| 15:37.23 | pythoned | abrotman: Yes... |
| 15:37.48 | pythoned | abrotman: I did exactly as on the wiki...but the drivers don't start. |
| 15:37.56 | lunaphyte_ | i'm having trouble with aptitude search. the man page says "the command "aptitude search '~N edit'" will only show "new" packages whose name contains "edit" - but it seems like i'm seeing different behavior : http://dpaste.com/287735/ - what am i doing wrong? i want to return all installed packages whose names begin with dhcp |
| 15:38.00 | stew | adv_: edit /etc/modules |
| 15:38.05 | pythoned | abot I even installed firmware-linux-drivers |
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| 15:38.38 | adv_ | what does the loop module do? |
| 15:38.50 | pythoned | abrotman* |
| 15:38.57 | linksrum | it loop-mounts filesystems |
| 15:39.16 | linksrum | mount -o loop … (useful to mount iso image) |
| 15:39.34 | adv_ | ah |
| 15:39.35 | adv_ | thansk |
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| 15:52.05 | pythoned | abrotman: So any suggestions? |
| 15:52.26 | abrotman | pythoned: what's the error? |
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| 15:54.00 | pythoned | abrotman: As I said, dricers don't start. |
| 15:54.12 | pythoned | abrotman: drivers* |
| 15:54.28 | abrotman | did they even build successfully? |
| 15:55.33 | pythoned | abrotman: How can I check? I am a beginner. |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | you would have noticed .. it would have told you there was an error |
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| 15:56.21 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 15:56.21 | linksrum | @pythoned: try modprobe |
| 15:56.21 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx, R7xx and Evergreen chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; use <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner lenny>, <fglrx one-liner squeeze> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | linksrum: you don't have to prefix his nick with an @ sign |
| 15:56.44 | pythoned | abrotman: Well no error came out. |
| 15:57.12 | shirish | hi all, I'm on Debian squeeze and my desktop is pretty sluggish to response. Especially the mouse |
| 15:58.20 | ethanol | I am confused. my /etc/aliases seems to be missing a lot of default ones like www, ftp, and such. |
| 15:58.31 | pythoned | I don't know what to do now. |
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| 16:00.20 | shirish | does anybody how to get a list of programs which are running ? |
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| 16:00.39 | ziroux | man ps |
| 16:01.15 | linksrum | pythoned: after compiling the modules, you could try loading them with modprobe modulename |
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| 16:01.38 | linksrum | the name of the module should be printed somewhere after compile |
| 16:01.42 | ziroux | shirish: you could also try top or htop |
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| 16:02.42 | pythoned | linksrum: Can you give me the actual command? As I said I am a beginner coming from a GUIsh distribution. |
| 16:03.18 | shirish | ziroux: thank you. I would try, I just want to kill some services, for e.g. chromium which is not responding atm. |
| 16:03.51 | linksrum | check for the module name. it's something with .o oder .so at the end. if you can't find it, paste your complete output to pastebin and send us the link. |
| 16:04.09 | d2ogch3n | pythoned: ps or pstree |
| 16:04.15 | shirish | I am on CLI atm, on VT1 |
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| 16:05.01 | leejongwook | You all have merry Christmas :) |
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| 16:06.01 | syn4pse | already? |
| 16:06.03 | syn4pse | ;) |
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| 16:06.54 | dclarke | I have three issues (1) I support free and open software and thus I use squeeze and avoid the non-free software (2) however I need flash enabled sites from time to time but the flash plugin for iceweasel/epiphany seems to crash from time to time and thats okay .. I hate flash, it is of value only to advertisers (3) can I remove flash entirely from my system and then run something like Opera from time to time if needed with flash ? confused ? |
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| 16:08.03 | shirish | the ps man page is too long and it doesn't tell me what to do :( |
| 16:08.30 | dclarke | shirish: what do you need ? |
| 16:08.35 | petemc | shirish: ps aux |
| 16:08.37 | syn4pse | ps aux |
| 16:08.39 | syn4pse | yes ;) |
| 16:08.44 | syn4pse | ps aux |grep firefox |
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| 16:08.47 | syn4pse | to narrow results |
| 16:08.49 | dclarke | that is a BSD old style thing |
| 16:09.00 | dclarke | just use ps -ef | grep firefox |
| 16:11.06 | shirish | dclarke: syn4pse: thank you guys, tried both it still gives quite a lot many PID's |
| 16:11.33 | shirish | I did ps aux |grep chromium |
| 16:11.44 | shirish | as well as ps -ef |grep chromium |
| 16:12.13 | shirish | both give too many things, I'm sure there is one PID which rules them all. |
| 16:12.44 | ziroux | shirish: isntall htop and use < and > (with shift) to switch between columns line 'CPU usage', 'RAM usage' etc. |
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| 16:14.06 | ziroux | shirish: you could also press F6 to sort. press F5 to see process tree, F7/F8 to nice |
| 16:16.32 | shirish | ziroux: trying out htop, its cool. |
| 16:16.39 | shirish | ziroux, what is nice ? |
| 16:16.43 | mama21mama | 0/ |
| 16:17.09 | ziroux | shirish: man nice (it;s shirter than man ps) :p |
| 16:17.26 | ziroux | /shirter/shorter/ |
| 16:17.37 | shirish | ziroux: will do, thank you. |
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| 16:17.42 | ziroux | n/p |
| 16:18.20 | shirish | ziroux: my issue for the moment got resolved, was able to kill chromium and be good on VT7 |
| 16:18.35 | shirish | ziroux: thanks again, logging off now |
| 16:18.48 | ziroux | shirish oh you knew the name of the process? |
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| 16:18.57 | ziroux | too late |
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| 16:45.32 | solifugus | wtf is this glibc resolvers thing (Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)) and how can I make it stop erasing /etc/resolv.conf ?? |
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| 16:46.51 | solifugus | software like that really pisses me off.. do F with my settings! |
| 16:47.00 | abrotman | !fixresolvconf |
| 16:47.01 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 16:47.27 | solifugus | it's not using dhcp |
| 16:50.03 | abrotman | read the rest? |
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| 16:51.50 | solifugus | ok.. that's really weird.. but ok.. at least maybe a solution |
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| 16:53.10 | solifugus | rather just kill and destroy that resolvconf thingy altogether... of course.. |
| 16:53.36 | solifugus | why overcomplicate simple things that work |
| 16:54.15 | solifugus | then causing them to break.. |
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| 17:00.33 | catsup | !fixresolvconf the ugly way |
| 17:00.34 | dpkg | If you can't be bothered configuring either <resolvconf> or your DHCP client to properly handle your DNS settings, then you can do this: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). But realise that this is a truly ugly hack. |
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| 17:03.52 | tharkun | What does the +i do on the previous factoid ? |
| 17:04.22 | tharkun | nvm found it |
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| 17:16.40 | johndoe | im using squeeze and the default version of k3b is 2.0.0. whats the easiest/best way to install the old version of k3b, 1.93? |
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| 17:18.56 | johndoe | * i meant 1.70, 1.90-1.93 were 2.0 RC;s |
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| 17:19.16 | stew | johndoe: get it from snapshot.debian.org |
| 17:19.24 | nirazio | How to reset terminal settings to default.. |
| 17:19.39 | stew | nirazio: what do you mean |
| 17:19.43 | johndoe | nirazio: reset |
| 17:20.31 | johndoe | apparently its not 1.70 either, its 1.0.5 |
| 17:20.44 | nirazio | stew: I do not know what I did but while in terminal I did something that changed the size of the display from about 4"x 3" to something quite large. Now I am unable to do anything to close terminal. Is there a way to fix my problem? |
| 17:21.40 | stew | nirazio: which terminal? a vt? a terminal emulator in x? |
| 17:22.06 | nirazio | stew: terminal emulator in x |
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| 17:22.15 | stew | nirazio: which? |
| 17:22.38 | haxi | hi guys i've a little problem! |
| 17:22.56 | nirazio | stew: what?? |
| 17:23.03 | stew | nirazio: which terminal emulator? |
| 17:23.14 | nirazio | stew: gnome |
| 17:23.46 | haxi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.34 | Famic | hi |
| 17:27.51 | Famic | anyone would know what repository to add to sources.list to get the latest version of pure-ftpd ? |
| 17:30.17 | stew | Famic: what do you mean by latest? |
| 17:30.31 | ksk | u may ask pure-ftpd. |
| 17:30.51 | Famic | basically, I mean > 1.0.21 |
| 17:31.19 | Famic | I see a 1.0.28 deb package on the web so I guess it should be available on a repository somwhere too |
| 17:32.04 | stew | Famic: you could "/msg dpkg ssb" however note that you'd have to be weary of security as you'd no longer get the benefits you are getting now of the debian security team backporting fixes for you |
| 17:32.17 | stew | Famic: why do you need newer than 1.0.21? |
| 17:32.36 | Famic | stew: because I need encrypted fxp transfers |
| 17:32.44 | Famic | it seems it's not there before 1.0.22 |
| 17:33.22 | stew | Famic: then I suppose you want /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:35.55 | Famic | that's kinda cryptic. Is it a procedure to manually install a .deb and get it out of the apt system ? |
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| 17:40.29 | stew | Famic: its to compile a newer version of a pacakge for your system (so that it depends on libraries actually in stable) |
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| 17:45.57 | johndoe | stew: thanks for the tip of snapshots.debian.org as it is probably the solution to my problem, but do you maybe have a manual on how to use it? |
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| 17:47.38 | johndoe | stew: im having dependency problems.. http://debian.pastebin.com/H5TxFBTv |
| 17:48.11 | nirazio | I'm using SVN from Eclipse and it has a feature that allows you to save the SVN user and password. It think it uses something called gnome-keyring to do so. The problem is that now I need to use another user to access the SVN repository, but I'm unable to change the previous set user. How can I change/remove that previous user? |
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| 17:52.16 | johndoe | stew: ok i managed to install it, took a few no's to aptitudes resolver. on a side note, old KDE looks so much better than the new one |
| 17:52.51 | Famic | stew: so there is no repository I could add that would lead me to a newer version ? |
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| 17:59.16 | immolo | Hi, I'm trying to connect a usb printer via my laptops new usb pcmcia card but I can't get it to register the printer but it does see the pcmica card do you think it could be because I built the initrd targeted for my laptop before I added the card and if so how do I get it to rebuild with usb in it |
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| 17:59.21 | nirazio | In Trash I can organize files by last modified date, and others, but I want to see last deleted files. Is there a way? |
| 17:59.42 | OldMonk | hi. someone have a pointer to a doc that shows how to do a pure net install? |
| 18:00.12 | vtts | OldMonk, including pxe boot? |
| 18:00.19 | OldMonk | vtts: yes, and tftp |
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| 18:00.41 | OldMonk | actually booting is comparatively easy, need the steps from there on |
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| 18:01.45 | vtts | OldMonk, have you looked at this? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 18:02.06 | sethrd | Hello folks. Quick one for you guys. Fresh install of Lenny on a dell mini 10v. Trying to get sound working. alsamixer sees the card and allows me to change the volume, as does gnome volume manager, yet no sound plays. Any tips? |
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| 18:02.48 | OldMonk | vtts: that's up to the boot, need clear guidelines after that |
| 18:02.53 | OldMonk | a howto would be ideal |
| 18:03.48 | cire | I am trying to do some videoediting (cinelerra&kdenlive) with avchd FullHD files. On my machine (Intel core2quad E9550@3 GHz) this is getting damn slow. I am not sure what to change. I do not want to use cs drivers for my GPU, so VDPAU or UVD won't work in near future, right? So what would you propose me to do to speed up video editing under linux? |
| 18:04.16 | vtts | OldMonk, after that is plain install |
| 18:04.36 | OldMonk | hmm, the last time i tried it has tons of drivers missing |
| 18:04.56 | OldMonk | but that was a couple of years back -- it didn't even have IDE, couldn't recognise the disks |
| 18:05.38 | vtts | missing drivers have very little to do with net-install |
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| 18:06.07 | OldMonk | doesn't the content of the net-install image driver determine what drivers are available? |
| 18:06.17 | OldMonk | s/driver// |
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| 18:06.47 | vtts | netinstall privides only basic set to get the install running, everything else is downloaded from the repository |
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| 18:07.01 | OldMonk | including drivers? |
| 18:07.19 | vtts | yes |
| 18:07.43 | vtts | if by "drivers" you mean kernel+modules, they are provided in the netinstall itself |
| 18:07.46 | OldMonk | hmm, so i have to make a local repo to do, say 1000 machines |
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| 18:08.30 | vtts | it is not necessary, but would be a lot faster :) |
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| 18:08.52 | OldMonk | now i need to find a making local repository howto |
| 18:08.59 | OldMonk | shouldn't be too tough |
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| 18:09.38 | sethrd | So user is part of audio group, alsa has been setup, and both sound mixers I checked (alsamixer and gnome volume control) show the sound card as unmuted. Any ideas why no sound on a dell mini 10v? |
| 18:09.58 | vtts | OldMonk, also have a look at preseeding (if you are realy planning to do install a lot of machines) |
| 18:10.13 | vtts | OldMonk, as for repository, maybe something like apt-cache would be better |
| 18:10.18 | pipeline | sethrd: not enough to unmute "master." Make sure that PCM is unmuted, and any output that you need (e.g. line out, headphones) |
| 18:10.18 | OldMonk | vtts: you, doing that too |
| 18:10.43 | sethrd | pipeline: yeah, both are unmuted. |
| 18:10.43 | vtts | s/apt-cache/apt-proxy/ |
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| 18:11.39 | jhutchins_lt | sethrd: squeeze? |
| 18:11.44 | Arrowmaster | i thought apt-proxy was removed |
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| 18:12.32 | sethrd | jhutchins_lt: Fresh net-install using ISO from debian.org. So, if Debain 5 is squeeze, yes. |
| 18:12.54 | qq- | 5 is lenny |
| 18:12.58 | jhutchins_lt | sethrd: 5 is lenny, so you probably don't have pulseaudio getting in the way. |
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| 18:13.18 | vtts | Arrowmaster, yes, but approx and apt-cacher are available |
| 18:13.20 | OldMonk | vtts: thanks |
| 18:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | sethrd: Is the user a member of group audio? |
| 18:13.38 | sethrd | jhutchins_lt: Yes, and I've relogged also |
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| 18:25.38 | helo | how might i go about finding which compiler options were used to comipile armel qt in lenny? |
| 18:26.19 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 18:46.53 | Texou | hi |
| 18:47.13 | Texou | can someone tell me why on Debian g.711 codec isn't present for Ekiga? |
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| 18:47.59 | Texou | 3.2.6 |
| 18:48.02 | laurus | How can I tell why mono-runtime is installed on my system? |
| 18:48.18 | stew | laurus: "aptitude why mono-runtime" |
| 18:48.35 | laurus | Eww, sick, it's updating all this mono stuff today when I run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 18:48.52 | Arrowmaster | gnome? |
| 18:48.55 | laurus | WHAT? GNOME depends on Mono?! |
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| 18:49.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:49.13 | laurus | I can't believe that, I thought it was part of the GNU project! |
| 18:49.23 | jelly-home | laurus: parts of it might also depend on C++ and python!! |
| 18:49.34 | laurus | jelly, well that's fine, but... Mono? |
| 18:49.42 | jelly-home | laurus: is just another language |
| 18:49.47 | laurus | *Sigh* It just seems so uncritical. |
| 18:49.54 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 18:50.03 | sethrd | jelly-home: Mono is it's own language? I thought mono was the Win32 crossover API.... |
| 18:50.27 | jelly-home | sethrd: it's implementation of C# and some of the libraries |
| 18:50.32 | laurus | Is there a way to get rid of this tomboy thing that seems to be requiring it? |
| 18:50.41 | Arrowmaster | uninstall it |
| 18:51.06 | laurus | Arrowmaster, well then it wants to uninstall GNOME. |
| 18:51.40 | Arrowmaster | go through and mark everything gnome depends on as manually installed then you can just remove the gnome metapackage |
| 18:51.40 | anoob | hi, i want to install quanta ... wich repository should i use? |
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| 18:51.52 | Arrowmaster | ,versions quanta |
| 18:51.55 | judd | Package quanta on i386 -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
| 18:52.18 | anoob | sid |
| 18:52.47 | Arrowmaster | its not in sid |
| 18:52.53 | laurus | Arrowmaster, how do I do that? |
| 18:52.58 | anoob | but i'm running debian sid |
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| 18:53.10 | Arrowmaster | well it was removed from sid |
| 18:53.23 | anoob | hum... why Arrowmaster? :( |
| 18:53.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 18:53.37 | Spurgeon | i almost threw my system through the windows - scanner wouldn't work -> yesterday i tried about 2 hours on getting it working - and today i turned my scanner off and on - and it worked |
| 18:54.40 | Spurgeon | yesterday i did everything right , adding user to group installed saned etc. ., but it wouldn't work :P |
| 18:54.42 | jhutchins | Spurgeon: that often helps. |
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| 18:55.12 | Spurgeon | jhutchins, yeah it seems so |
| 18:55.12 | Spurgeon | :P |
| 18:55.15 | jelly-home | anoob: "quanta plus" was a part of KDE3. KDE4 doesn't carry it any more. http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2010/03/msg00470.html |
| 18:55.50 | Spurgeon | quanta plus? scary -> i use kate ;) |
| 18:55.51 | jhutchins | Spurgeon: Did you perhaps not log out and back in after adding yourself to the group? |
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| 18:56.37 | Spurgeon | jhutchins, well, that was the strange thing, i didn't but i haven't done today either... |
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| 18:59.08 | anoob | jelly-home, Arrowmaster, and what about this one http://packages.debian.org/sid/quanta ? |
| 18:59.11 | sethrd | jhutchins: Have any other ideas? I'm out of em... |
| 18:59.36 | Arrowmaster | anoob: thats only for m68k, whatever that is |
| 18:59.53 | anoob | Arrowmaster, i see ... |
| 18:59.54 | Arrowmaster | i suspect it still has kde3 instead of kde4 |
| 19:00.22 | nirazio | In Trash I can organize files by last modified date, and others,but I want to see last deleted files. Is there a way? |
| 19:00.58 | jelly-home | anoob: the "[debports]" bit means it's not part of Debian. |
| 19:01.04 | laurus | Yes! Got rid of it! :) |
| 19:01.10 | laurus | Good riddance. |
| 19:01.10 | stew | m68k is the arch for OLD macs (like before G3, when they were running on cpus like 68040) |
| 19:01.27 | anoob | jelly-home, Arrowmaster... so, thank you anyway... |
| 19:01.28 | anoob | :) |
| 19:01.37 | jelly-home | laurus: watch out for any Java or binary-only software! |
| 19:01.44 | stew | anoob: it looks like you can now purchase "quanta gold" instead |
| 19:01.49 | laurus | jelly-home, I'm not as against Java since it's GPL |
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| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | laurus: hah |
| 19:02.01 | laurus | And the kernel is free now |
| 19:02.05 | stew | laurus: what license is mono under? |
| 19:02.12 | jelly-home | laurus: it's GPL but noone can reimplement it and call it "Java" |
| 19:02.16 | laurus | stew, I don't care, it's a Microsoft thing |
| 19:02.24 | laurus | jelly-home, good point, I'm not a huge fan of it |
| 19:02.37 | jelly-home | laurus: it's less free than Mono at this point. |
| 19:02.43 | laurus | jelly-home, really |
| 19:02.49 | laurus | Eww, then both of them are bad then |
| 19:02.58 | laurus | I used to be ok with Java but not anymore I guess :P |
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| 19:03.06 | anoob | stew, pretty sad :( |
| 19:03.22 | laurus | Luckily it let me replace tomboy with gnote without screwing with the metapackages. |
| 19:05.27 | stew | laurus: why not ok with java anymore? |
| 19:05.33 | fenugreek | they're both controlled by companies |
| 19:05.47 | laurus | stew, because of what jelly-home said |
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| 19:06.28 | stew | laurus: does this mean your are no longer ok with apache either? |
| 19:06.36 | laurus | stew, ugh, I don't know |
| 19:06.39 | laurus | :P |
| 19:06.46 | syn4pse | how was that burning app called starting with an b |
| 19:06.52 | syn4pse | somethign like bresaro? |
| 19:06.54 | nirazio | In Trash I can organize files by last modified date, and others,but I want to see last deleted files. Is there a way? |
| 19:06.54 | laurus | syn4pse, Brasero? |
| 19:06.59 | syn4pse | ahhh |
| 19:07.00 | syn4pse | e a ;) |
| 19:07.01 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 19:07.06 | laurus | syn4pse, it's a good program, I use it |
| 19:07.31 | syn4pse | yeah i love it too just forgot the name |
| 19:07.34 | syn4pse | hehe |
| 19:07.34 | laurus | :) |
| 19:07.39 | syn4pse | drugs are bad for your brain :D |
| 19:07.45 | laurus | Er, ok |
| 19:08.15 | syn4pse | overdosing on coffein ;) |
| 19:08.18 | sethrd | Anyone have any ideas why system won't play sound? User is in audio group, volume is up, channels unmuted, alsaconf has been ran and system sees the card. |
| 19:08.42 | syn4pse | the physical calbes are all fine? |
| 19:09.05 | sethrd | yeah, it's a laptop. |
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| 19:12.36 | Tobias| | Is there a debian repo I can use for getting fx nightlies? |
| 19:12.57 | Tobias| | In some cleaner manner than downloading it from their site |
| 19:13.01 | Tobias| | It seems .. cleaner to use apt-get |
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| 19:15.10 | toad_ | on lenny on amd64, will virtualbox OSE run 64-bit guests? and 32-bit guests? |
| 19:16.06 | sethrd | This is really starting to get on my nerves. Sound should work! WORK YOU, WORK! |
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| 19:17.09 | stew | sethrd: does "speaker-test" work? or aplay? |
| 19:17.16 | sethrd | No, neither. |
| 19:17.19 | stew | sethrd: is there a hardware volume control? |
| 19:17.29 | stew | sethrd: do headphones work? |
| 19:19.10 | sethrd | stew: yeah, headphones do work. |
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| 19:19.38 | Tobias| | Huh; what package is that in, stew? (speaker-test) |
| 19:20.20 | stew | alsa-utils: /usr/bin/speaker-test |
| 19:20.54 | stew | sethrd: has this ever worked? |
| 19:21.21 | sethrd | stew: It's a fresh install on lenny. Sound has worked on the machine before, yes. |
| 19:21.39 | stew | sound worked since installing lenny? or before? |
| 19:22.07 | sethrd | No, not since the install. |
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| 19:23.43 | stew | sethrd: you might try "/msg dpkg new alsa" ; or if you want us to look at your mixer settings you can pastebin the output of "amixer" |
| 19:24.37 | lunaphyte_ | i'm having trouble with aptitude search. the man page says "the command "aptitude search '~N edit'" will only show "new" packages whose name contains "edit" - but it seems like i'm seeing different behavior : http://dpaste.com/287735/ - what am i doing wrong? i want to return all installed packages whose names begin with dhcp |
| 19:25.40 | Texou | oh but ... why does ekiga diffe between upstream and Debian? :( |
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| 19:25.56 | stew | lunaphyte_: do you perhaps need '~Nedit' without the space? |
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| 19:26.30 | lunaphyte_ | stew: thanks - i tried that, without success. |
| 19:27.22 | sethrd | stew: I'm running lenny, though. That's for squeeze. |
| 19:28.42 | stew | lunaphyte_: for name you want ~n, so perhaps you want '~N~nedit' |
| 19:29.19 | stew | lunaphyte_: if you want all packages with names beginning with dhcp, you'd want "aptitude search '~n^dhcp'" |
| 19:29.31 | stew | sethrd: you could try a backported kernel first then |
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| 19:30.56 | lunaphyte_ | stew: that looks to give the same output as '?name(^dhcp)' - ~n is shorthand for ?name(), i think, right? i want to list only installed packages who start with dhcp though, rather than all packages. |
| 19:31.41 | stew | lunaphyte_: yes. then you want '~i~n^dhcp' |
| 19:32.48 | lunaphyte_ | stew: it doesn't seem to work though: http://dpaste.com/287802/ |
| 19:33.22 | stew | lunaphyte_: is ">" really your normal prompt? |
| 19:33.42 | stew | lunaphyte_: or is it waiting for more input from a previous command? |
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| 19:35.00 | lunaphyte_ | stew: no, i just tend to copy the last character of it when copying and pasting. it's not waiting for more input (good point though - i hadn't considered that might be confusing :) ) |
| 19:35.47 | stew | lunaphyte_: well that command works fine for me. are you sure that you have installed packages where the package name starts with dhcp? |
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| 19:41.57 | drawks | I can't make heads or tails of the apt documentation with regards to pinning packages. Can someone tell me how to set a pin so that whatever version of package is available in lenny-backports is always preferred over the stable repo? |
| 19:42.47 | lunaphyte_ | stew: ack. there were not. i'm retarded :) thanks. |
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| 19:43.29 | stew | drawks: see the instructions page at http://backports.debian.org |
| 19:43.32 | lunaphyte_ | they were there, but at some point, i removed them, apparently. |
| 19:43.45 | drawks | even the examples in the documentation don't seem to work as described... I.E. try and set a pin for syslog-ng 3.* at a priorit of 500 does not fetch the backport version when you do a dist-upgrade |
| 19:44.12 | drawks | stew: those docs only show how to keep package updates coming from BP after you've manually installed from there |
| 19:45.22 | stew | drawks: you mean you want to upgrade anything available from backports to the backports version? |
| 19:45.37 | drawks | for a subset of packages |
| 19:45.39 | drawks | yes |
| 19:46.12 | stew | drawks: subset meaning you are going to set a pin for each individual pacakge? |
| 19:46.16 | drawks | i want the behavior as described in the "500" section of the priority descriptions from the apt docs |
| 19:46.19 | lunaphyte_ | stew: for reference, all of the other variations i'd expected would work now do as well: http://dpaste.com/287804/ |
| 19:46.20 | drawks | stew yes |
| 19:46.41 | stew | drawks: show us what you have in preferences, and the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for one such package |
| 19:46.50 | drawks | standby |
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| 19:49.35 | drawks | http://pastebin.ca/2022300 |
| 19:50.35 | drawks | stew: that what you wanted to see? |
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| 19:56.13 | drawks | ah I think i see the problem |
| 19:56.18 | drawks | i misread the docs, natch |
| 19:56.30 | drawks | nope, still doesn't work |
| 19:57.02 | stew | drawks: lenny-backports isn't debian version 3.* |
| 19:57.18 | drawks | yeah I just relealised i had the wrong keyword there |
| 19:57.20 | stew | drawks: i'm not sure it has a version but if it did it would be a 5.x |
| 19:57.39 | drawks | i'm making a little prigress here, but it still doesn't do what I want |
| 19:58.29 | drawks | http://pastebin.ca/2022308 |
| 19:58.33 | stew | drawks: instead of "Pin: release v=3.*" you want "Pin: release a=lenny-backports" |
| 19:58.45 | drawks | i tried that too |
| 19:58.46 | drawks | hehe |
| 19:59.04 | stew | drawks: you know you have to apt-get/aptitude update when changing preferences, right? |
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| 19:59.37 | drawks | it still doesn't install 3.1.foo from backports when I run an upgrade or even if I do an 'apt-get install syslog-bng" |
| 19:59.52 | drawks | with or without the update |
| 19:59.56 | drawks | it's no change |
| 20:00.08 | drawks | see the updated pastebin above |
| 20:00.24 | stew | drawks: yes, you know your pin is still not being used because the lenny-backports line still has priority 1 |
| 20:00.34 | stew | 1 http://fripp lenny-backports/main Packages |
| 20:00.35 | stew | that 1 |
| 20:01.24 | stew | drawks: and I think you want to pin > 990 |
| 20:01.47 | stew | with 500, you aren't going to get your version picked since ther is one belonging to the target release |
| 20:02.08 | drawks | doesn't 990 only upgrade to a version available in the default release? |
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| 20:02.23 | stew | "causes a version to be installed even if it does not come from the target release" |
| 20:02.34 | stew | oh |
| 20:02.52 | stew | "causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to the target release" |
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| 20:03.02 | stew | and in this case there is a version available from the target release |
| 20:03.15 | drawks | hehe |
| 20:03.19 | drawks | clear as mud ;0 |
| 20:03.27 | stew | seems clear |
| 20:03.52 | drawks | what doc are you reading, that doesn't match what I'm reading... |
| 20:04.00 | stew | man apt_preferences |
| 20:05.36 | drawks | I |
| 20:06.12 | drawks | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get < thats what I was looking at, the wording in the manpage is lessing confusing |
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| 20:06.21 | drawks | works now, i think |
| 20:06.22 | drawks | thanks |
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| 20:06.59 | stew | also notice the "Obsolete Documentation" in the header there |
| 20:07.21 | drawks | now i do ;) |
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| 20:17.03 | bdheeman | hi, I'm try to build mammoth http://mammothserver.org/, needs some boot-*-dev package, which I still need to figure out. I'm trying cmake step by step and then adding requisite whatever-dev entries in the debian/control file |
| 20:18.16 | bdheeman | anyone out there, who can help/assist me a bit about debian boost packages? |
| 20:19.45 | bdheeman | seems, I also need to fix/update some CMakeLists.txt files for mammoth |
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| 20:33.39 | mcbane | i just installed lenny and set up a luks root partition. Great work that you can even unlock via ssh! Now I just saw that the kernel does not have aesni support. What would be the simplest/best way to get it working? |
| 20:33.41 | helo | how do i download the source package for an architecture (and release) different than the one i'm running? |
| 20:34.55 | mcbane | helo: if it is only one package you are interested in you can use the website: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 20:35.03 | stew | helo: if you go to "http://packages.debian.org/packagename" for one of the binary packages it builds, then click on the release, there will be a link to the dsc on the right of the page |
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| 20:44.38 | bjorkintosh | which script is responsible for setting the console mode at startup? |
| 20:45.47 | stew | bjorkintosh: /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 20:46.14 | stew | bjorkintosh: well wait, the kernel sets the mode, the above script then changes the font |
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| 20:46.52 | bjorkintosh | my system starts with a graphic linux logo |
| 20:47.07 | bjorkintosh | and then it switches to the console mode only... i'm trying to keep it from doing that. |
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| 20:47.45 | stew | what do you mean by "console mode" ? |
| 20:47.51 | stew | or "console mode only"? |
| 20:48.17 | bjorkintosh | it stops using the frame buffer. |
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| 20:48.36 | ZenWalker | how can I know if my kernel is completely free ? |
| 20:48.42 | stew | bjorkintosh: how do you know? |
| 20:48.55 | bjorkintosh | stew, because i can see it change while it's booting up. |
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| 20:49.25 | stew | bjorkintosh: how can you tell the difference between framebuffer and no framebuffer? |
| 20:49.42 | bjorkintosh | the apps which need the framebuffer report an error. |
| 20:49.42 | stew | bjorkintosh: are you sure you aren't seeing what I'm telling you to expect: a font change? |
| 20:49.43 | bjorkintosh | that's how. |
| 20:49.53 | bjorkintosh | hmm. let's see. |
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| 20:50.23 | stew | so during the boot process you see apps reporting an error? |
| 20:50.32 | bjorkintosh | hehe. no. |
| 20:50.34 | bjorkintosh | after that. |
| 20:50.34 | alecjw | hi, is it possible to install debian with encrypted home directories, like ubuntu? |
| 20:50.48 | Arch_ | Hey, I am having problems with ssh working(Could not resolve hostname) and in iceweasel if I have ipv6 enabled like the default, lots of pages won't load. I can do these things fine in a windows virtualmachine on the same connection on the same computer and same with an ubuntu 10.10 VM on this connection and computer. Can anyone help me figure out what is causing this problem on my debian? :) |
| 20:53.52 | stew | bjorkintosh: what does "cat /proc/fb" return? |
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| 20:53.56 | bdheeman | Arch_: check your /etc/resolv.conf, do you have a IPv6 enabled DNS |
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| 20:54.17 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I use Bell, they said ipv6 should work for me |
| 20:54.45 | stew | bjorkintosh: i'm not sure I believe that its possible that your framebuffer is being disabled mid-boot |
| 20:55.01 | bdheeman | Arch_: try dig |
| 20:55.12 | Arch_ | bdheeman: # Generated by NetworkManager domain gateway.2wire.net search gateway.2wire.net nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 20:55.19 | Arch_ | bdheeman: What is dig? |
| 20:55.21 | bjorkintosh | "hda3 has been mounted 20 times without being checked, check forced" |
| 20:55.25 | bjorkintosh | i'm waiting for that to get done. |
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| 20:57.00 | bdheeman | Arch_: dig - DNS lookup utility, part of dnsutils |
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| 20:58.27 | ziroux | alecjw: you could make a separate partition for /home and encrypt it during install. sample image: http://static.howtoforge.com/images/encrypted_raid1_lvm_setup_debian_lenny/067_MD1_Encryption.png |
| 20:59.04 | alecjw | ziroux, wouldnt that require all users to share a password? |
| 20:59.04 | bjorkintosh | it's 0 ATY Rage128 |
| 20:59.39 | bjorkintosh | so you think it remains on, stew? when i remove the console setup from init.d, the penguin image remains on the screen during startup. |
| 20:59.45 | stew | bjorkintosh: so yes, it seems you have a framebuffer. "fbset -s" (if you have fbset installed) should show you the current mode |
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| 21:01.03 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I'm not sure if I'm using dig right, I tried dig @github.com -p 22 and it said couldn't get address |
| 21:01.23 | Arch_ | bdheeman: also tried it with port 80 and said the same thing |
| 21:01.42 | stew | Arch_: i think its unlikely that github is running a dns server on port 22 |
| 21:02.13 | Arch_ | stew: Ok I guess I have no idea on the way this tool is used :P |
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| 21:03.05 | bdheeman | Arch_: try, dig @192.168.2.1 whatever-host-name.does.not.work in icewaezel |
| 21:03.49 | stew | in icewaezel? |
| 21:03.53 | bdheeman | Arch_: and then add with AAAA for IPv6 |
| 21:04.27 | bdheeman | stew: sorry for the typo... |
| 21:04.46 | stew | not the typo, i'm just not sure how iceweasel figures in at all |
| 21:04.51 | stew | for a dns/ssh problem |
| 21:05.05 | stew | oh, he did meantion iceweasel, nm |
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| 21:07.36 | ziroux | alecjw: yes. eventually you could create more partitions for more users (maybe on top of lvm for better space management). i don't know how it;s in ubuntu or any more sophisticated method :] |
| 21:07.36 | Netlynx | who can tell me where i can find how the output of /dev/psaux is formatted? |
| 21:07.57 | alecjw | ziroux, ubuntu uses ecryptfs i think |
| 21:08.45 | Arch_ | bdheeman: http://pastebin.com/eDMmAhSy |
| 21:09.18 | JPT | Netlynx: it's not /dev/psaux anymore... it got moved or something: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee/fun/psaux/ |
| 21:09.48 | JPT | there is also some sourcecode for psmouse and atkbd |
| 21:09.52 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I think the first question section is ipv4 and second is ipv6? |
| 21:10.19 | bdheeman | Arch_: your nameserver 192.168.2.1 is not returning AAAA (IPv6) records |
| 21:10.33 | stew | not returning AAAA records for the hostname "with" |
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| 21:12.16 | Arch_ | stew, bdheeman: this is the command I used, maybe I did it wrong or misunderstood :P |
| 21:12.22 | Arch_ | stew, bdheeman: dig @192.168.2.1 fsdaily.com with AAAA |
| 21:12.50 | bdheeman | Arch_: omit the work 'with' |
| 21:13.21 | Arch_ | bdheeman: http://pastebin.com/gRB4270U |
| 21:13.55 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Hmm, it's like running this command made the site work now |
| 21:15.23 | bjorkintosh | stew i think it' |
| 21:15.36 | bjorkintosh | s definitely switching from graphics mode to console mode. |
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| 21:15.55 | bjorkintosh | X is not working, so fb is my next best option unfortunately. |
| 21:16.01 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Here's another one on a site that definitely won't load, http://pastebin.com/UesHQf9z |
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| 21:17.13 | stew | bjorkintosh: what does "fbset -s" return? |
| 21:17.23 | stew | bjorkintosh: and can you show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:19.55 | bdheeman | Arch_: both the domain names you checked does not seem to have any IPv6 address |
| 21:21.07 | helo | bets it is be impossible to turn off fb mode once it is on without a reboot |
| 21:21.31 | Bop | what's a good frontend for sane ( scanner ) ? |
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| 21:21.35 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ok, any idea why the network.dns.disableIPv6 defaults to a value that causes me problems? :S |
| 21:21.36 | Tordek | hi |
| 21:21.48 | bdheeman | Arch_: you try nameservers 8.8.8.8 and 208.67.222.222 with dig |
| 21:21.57 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ok |
| 21:22.20 | Arch_ | bdheeman: using AAAA? |
| 21:22.32 | bdheeman | Arch_: yeah |
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| 21:23.31 | Tordek | I run nvidia's driver (with its installer) but every now and again I get a glContext error. I think it's due to libgl1-mesa-glx providing /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, which conflicts with nvidia's own |
| 21:23.50 | Arch_ | bdheeman: 8.8.8.8 http://pastebin.com/f5Djex2B |
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| 21:24.02 | Tordek | I tired uninstalling libgl1-mesa0glx, but it's depended on by half of X... is there a dummy package of some kind? |
| 21:24.30 | Arch_ | bdheeman: The other one... http://pastebin.com/aavFyzwU |
| 21:24.35 | stew | judd: versions libgl1-mesa0glx |
| 21:24.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libgl1-mesa0glx' was found in i386. |
| 21:24.49 | bdheeman | Arch_: same again, the answer for AAAA records is empty |
| 21:24.54 | stew | Tordek: is that a typo? there is no such package in debian |
| 21:25.04 | stew | oh, from the nvidia installer, good luck |
| 21:25.21 | bjorkintosh | stew, http://pastebin.ca/2022377 |
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| 21:25.25 | bjorkintosh | that's for fbset -s |
| 21:25.27 | Arch_ | bdheeman: What could cause iceweasel to not load pages with ipv6 enabled in it? |
| 21:25.44 | Tordek | stew: libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 21:25.48 | Arch_ | bdheeman: It would default to ipv4 if no ipv6 address was found, right? |
| 21:25.49 | stew | bjorkintosh: so there you go, that is your currently running framebuffer mode |
| 21:26.18 | Bop | what's a good frontend for sane ( scanner ) in GTK ? |
| 21:26.52 | Tordek | also stew: The problem here isn't NVIDIA's but Debian's, since it has that dependency I can't avoid, but I don't need |
| 21:27.33 | bdheeman | Arch_: yes, it should, but better you disable ipv6 lookups entirely for the time being |
| 21:27.48 | bjorkintosh | http://pastebin.ca/2022379 stew, that's for x logs |
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| 21:28.23 | Bop | no one uses scanner on linux ? :S |
| 21:28.45 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ok, another problem I have....I try to ssh to places and it usually is saying "ssh: Could not resolve hostname {URL}: Name or service not known" |
| 21:28.58 | Arch_ | bdheeman: This is getting in the way of pushing with Git |
| 21:29.10 | jelly-home | Tordek: packages shouldn't depend on any particular libgl1-* implementation but on libgl1 virtual package, so if you have nvidia-glx installed, you ought to be able to remove libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 21:29.17 | bdheeman | Arch_: set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true |
| 21:29.19 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Randomly it'll work once and go back to this issue the next time |
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| 21:30.52 | Arch_ | bdheeman: It's weird that I only have to do that on my debian |
| 21:31.25 | jelly-home | wonders why libgl1-nvidia-glx Provides: libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 21:31.36 | bdheeman | Arch_: I think, using some ipv6 enabled nameserver in your /etc/resolv.conf is best option |
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| 21:32.11 | jelly-home | Tordek: guess it's possible nvidia packaging might be broken at the moment |
| 21:32.17 | dvs | jelly-home: i'd be worried if it conflicted |
| 21:32.20 | ed | hi |
| 21:32.46 | bdheeman | Arch_: I never ever faced any such problem here; neither ever reinstalled debian since 2004 |
| 21:32.47 | jelly-home | dvs: alternatives often conflict each other |
| 21:33.02 | Arch_ | bdheeman: That file is updated automatically by network manager. I see I can edit the connection in network manager. Are you familiar with that dialog? |
| 21:33.26 | Tordek | jelly-home: er, sure, but I'm not installing libgl1-nvidia-glz, since it provides Debian's compiled driver and whatnot, but I'm installing it with NVIDIA's installer... |
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| 21:33.59 | bdheeman | Arch_: sorry, I don't; don't prefer/use NM |
| 21:34.29 | jelly-home | Tordek: oh, if you're using nvidia's own installer, who knows what that does. It's going to replace the package files anyway |
| 21:34.33 | helo | i am trying to save some time by using debian's rules for compiling qt-x11-mt to compile qt-embedded for armel from the .tar.gz |
| 21:35.00 | Tordek | jelly-home: yes. which is why I don't need debian's package, which clobber nvidia's installer files and break my glx |
| 21:35.10 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ok :P It says IPv4 settings are automatic (DHCP), IPv6 is set to ignore. Maybe if I show you a picture you could figure out what I should change? |
| 21:35.27 | Tordek | but apt keeps crying dependency... |
| 21:35.39 | jelly-home | Tordek: you'll want to install _some_ libgl1 package to satisfy the packaging system, and _then_ reinstall nvidia over it |
| 21:36.01 | Tordek | :/ a dummy package'd be nice... |
| 21:36.05 | jelly-home | Tordek: basically, nvidia's installer overwrites and breaks all the packaging stuff anyway |
| 21:36.29 | jelly-home | Tordek: one dummy package won't make things much better. But see /msg dpkg equivs |
| 21:36.46 | bdheeman | Arch_: I'm more comfortable with CLI and, or editing text config files |
| 21:37.28 | jelly-home | dpkg, versions nvidia-glx |
| 21:37.28 | dpkg | jelly-home: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:37.35 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 21:37.37 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1 |
| 21:38.44 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I took a look at my ubuntu NM setup and the settings are the same. Maybe there is a bug |
| 21:39.17 | bdheeman | Arch_: possibly yes |
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| 21:40.06 | bdheeman | Arch_: do look at /etc/resolv.conf of your Ubuntu also |
| 21:41.11 | Arch_ | bdheeman: It's exactly the same |
| 21:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | Arch_: What release are you running? |
| 21:42.04 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ubuntu FF = 3.6.12 Debian IW = 3.5.15 |
| 21:42.52 | jhutchins_lt | Arch_: Is it just the browser that has ns problems? |
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| 21:43.12 | Arch_ | jhutchins_lt: debian I use testing, if you're talking about the ubuntu I have 10.10 |
| 21:43.27 | caleb_ | Is there a well-known method to use when scripting aptitude or apt-get to handle another process locking the database? |
| 21:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | Arch_: No, the debian, that's what you have trouble with right? |
| 21:44.00 | Arch_ | jhutchins_lt: In iceweasel if I have ipv6 set to enabled some pages won't load, if I disable it the sites load |
| 21:44.08 | Arch_ | jhutchins_lt: yes in my debian |
| 21:44.44 | Arch_ | jhutchins_lt: The setting I was changing is network.dns.disableipv6, it defaults to false and I have to set it to true |
| 21:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | Arch_: Yes, WHICH debian? Why not just disable ipv6 system wide? |
| 21:45.35 | Arch_ | jhutchins_lt: Debian testing, I guess it's currently squeeze |
| 21:45.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the question is why apps think there's ipv6 available even when there's no default ipv6 route |
| 21:46.33 | siriusnova | debian is named after deborah right? |
| 21:46.38 | siriusnova | the debian maintainers wife |
| 21:46.43 | siriusnova | area they still together? |
| 21:46.58 | bdheeman | Arch_: I have 4.2.2.2; 2001:4ca0:0:100:0:53:2:0;// Google, IPv6 as forwarders |
| 21:47.01 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Because they're badly written and don't check? |
| 21:47.14 | Arch_ | siriusnova: Maybe it's deb ian, two names? |
| 21:47.14 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: why should they? |
| 21:47.18 | Spurgeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: This has been a problem since the upstream people started trying to force ipv6 on us. |
| 21:47.34 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: upstream people? |
| 21:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | DNS seems to be one of the weak spots that is what people notice failing. |
| 21:47.50 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: who's upstream for ifupdown? |
| 21:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | Aptitude is another. |
| 21:48.22 | jelly-home | siriusnova: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.2 |
| 21:49.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the OS (libc resolver) shouldn't even try resolving in absence of a working ipv6 network |
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| 21:49.50 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Not everything uses the same method of resolving. You're probably right, but it will often attempt to resolve if the ipv6 module is present, route or no route. |
| 21:50.07 | Tordek | ok, I've built the "equivs" dummy package, but I can't installit, since the package it provides causes apt to say that it conflicts with libgl1-mesa-glx... how do I "swap" packages? (ie, tell it to install the dummy and uninstall -mesa-glx at the same time) |
| 21:50.35 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I'm thinking this is going over my head for now :P |
| 21:50.59 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Is there a way to tell if this ipv6 issue is the same that is causing my ssh issue? |
| 21:51.01 | jelly-home | Tordek: remove with dpkg; install with dpkg |
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| 21:52.08 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 21:52.08 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:52.11 | bdheeman | Arch_: try using -4 option for ssh |
| 21:52.57 | jelly-home | killing ipv6 and mdns/avahi is one of the things I do after installing Debian on a server |
| 21:53.02 | bdheeman | Arch_: ssh -4 # Forces ssh to use IPv4 addresses only |
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| 21:54.20 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 21:54.20 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Ah, cool it works when I do that! :D |
| 21:54.25 | zmitya | I'm not really an automake/autogen/autoconf exper |
| 21:54.32 | zmitya | can somebody please check this source and help me how can I compile it ? |
| 21:54.34 | jhutchins_lt | ssh isn't having trouble connecting, it's failing to resolve the host. |
| 21:54.39 | zmitya | svn checkout http://mfcuk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ mfcuk-read-only |
| 21:56.05 | bdheeman | I think, the IPv6 problems was the only reason I abandoned using stock debian or other kernels where ipv6 is not compiled as a separate module |
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| 21:57.01 | bdheeman | Arch_: congratulations! |
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| 21:57.52 | jelly-home | bdheeman: ipv6 cannot be built as a module option since 2.6.30, so that boot param is the only way to disable it if it's there |
| 21:58.45 | LaChouffe | hi, As i read apt-get is obsolete |
| 21:58.58 | LaChouffe | so what is the alternative to get source packages ? |
| 21:59.12 | LaChouffe | cause it seems that aptitude is not doing it |
| 21:59.32 | Tordek | awesome, thanks jelly-home |
| 21:59.38 | bdheeman | jelly-home: [bsd@mon bind]$ grep IPV6= /usr/src/linux-2.6.36.1/.config |
| 21:59.39 | bdheeman | CONFIG_IPV6=m |
| 21:59.39 | bdheeman | CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV6=m |
| 22:00.18 | Tordek | uhm... where is the "why" command or whatever? (ie, show direct reverse dependencies) |
| 22:00.45 | bdheeman | jelly-home: [bsd@mon bind]$ lsmod |grep ipv6 |
| 22:00.46 | bdheeman | nf_conntrack_ipv6 9177 13 |
| 22:00.47 | bdheeman | nf_conntrack 46921 6 nf_conntrack_ipv6,xt_connlimit,xt_state,iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4 |
| 22:00.47 | bdheeman | ipv6 238680 64 sit,ip6t_REJECT,nf_conntrack_ipv6,ip6table_mangle |
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| 22:00.55 | mee | Tordek: aptitude why |
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| 22:01.48 | Spec | Hi! I have a debian VM, and it is reporting the correct time via hwclock and date, and is kept up to date with ntpd. Unfortunately, every time I create a new file, it's timestamp (date && touch moo && ls -al moo), is exactly 8 minutes in the future. |
| 22:02.01 | Tordek | mee: thanks |
| 22:02.04 | Spec | What should I check/verify to fix this issue? |
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| 22:02.29 | LaChouffe | so what is the alternative to apt-get to get source package? |
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| 22:03.52 | Spec | LaChouffe: wget? aptitude? |
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| 22:04.37 | LaChouffe | Spec: I'm still looking for the aptitude command... cause in man page i did not found it, can u tell me the syntax ? |
| 22:06.19 | Vasistha | I have a git repository on my local machine. I'd like to share it with someone on a local network. What port does git use by default? 80 or 8000? How do I configure my own machine to be a git server? With git-daemon maybe? |
| 22:06.26 | Spec | LaChouffe: looks like i'm wrong. apt-get or wget |
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| 22:07.42 | Vasistha | ... man git-daemon is looking like it may hold all my answers |
| 22:07.59 | mcbane | has anybody compiled a kernel with aesni-intel support? |
| 22:08.05 | LaChouffe | Spec: ok thanks for the help |
| 22:08.19 | Arch_ | bdheeman: I changed my DNS to use the google dns(are they going to be analysing my every move?) and I don't have any more problems :O |
| 22:08.33 | Spec | Arch_: yes, they will be. |
| 22:08.41 | Spec | apt-get install bind is so easy. |
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| 22:09.27 | LaChouffe | Spec: stupid question, but where do i know the url of a package source for wget ? |
| 22:09.38 | Spec | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
| 22:09.48 | bdheeman | Arch_: I don't care; let them analyze and, or do whatever they do |
| 22:10.01 | Spec | example: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/wget |
| 22:10.41 | Vasistha | LaChouffe: do you want to know generally how to get that for any package available in aptitude, or specifically just for that one package? |
| 22:10.46 | Arch_ | bdheeman: They are set to my DNS, they are my accomplice in google searching for yellow-cake uranium |
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| 22:10.57 | Arch_ | bdheeman: They now have as much to lose as I ;) |
| 22:11.18 | Vasistha | !tell mcbane about anyone |
| 22:11.24 | Arch_ | bdheeman: So how does OpenDNS compare to GoogleDNS? |
| 22:11.25 | LaChouffe | Vasistha: for any package |
| 22:11.27 | bdheeman | Arch_: :D |
| 22:11.48 | Spec | doesn't OpenDNS lie to its users and give invalid dns results? |
| 22:12.00 | LaChouffe | Vasistha: I know how to get it with apt-get source, but was wondering if it was possible with aptitude as apt-get is said to be obsolete |
| 22:12.05 | mcbane | Vasistha: Sorry, I do not understand |
| 22:12.33 | Arch_ | bdheeman: Maybe that is a question for google... |
| 22:12.34 | Vasistha | LaChouffe: let me know if you find the answer, I've been wanting to find out the same thing |
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| 22:13.24 | Vasistha | mcbane: ask your real question. Have you compiled already? are you wondering if you should? Did you try compiling and it's not working? |
| 22:13.45 | bdheeman | I don't think so, all OpenDNS, Google and others do is -- play with parked and, or invalid domain names |
| 22:13.46 | karlpinc | Arch_: It's what openDNS is selling-ish. You can get an unadulaterated service from them, I think. |
| 22:14.19 | Spec | bdheeman: can you be sure about that? |
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| 22:15.07 | bdheeman | Spec: no, that's why I said -- I think, ... |
| 22:15.36 | karlpinc | LaChouffe: You can ask aptitude for an url -- it _should_ have everything available to it, but you need to read the docs and build a special format string for display. Nothing wrong with using apt-get for that. |
| 22:15.45 | iluminator101 | This codec is not playing how do i find out exactly what codec of type it is?? |
| 22:16.02 | amphi | iluminator101: file(1) might tell you |
| 22:16.05 | amphi | or mplayer |
| 22:16.33 | mcbane | Vasistha: I did compile the 2.6.32 kernel for lenny using the config of the default 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel with added aesni support. If I try to load the module I get: |
| 22:16.35 | mcbane | insmod: error inserting 'aesni-intel.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 22:16.35 | bdheeman | iluminator101: try mediainfo |
| 22:16.40 | mcbane | and dmesg says: |
| 22:16.48 | karlpinc | LaChouffe: (The aptitude docs are in html, *ick*, and can be referenced with a file:///usr/share/doc/... sort of url. |
| 22:16.52 | mcbane | [ 516.813221] aesni_intel: Unknown symbol cryptd_alloc_ablkcipher |
| 22:16.52 | mcbane | [ 516.813300] aesni_intel: Unknown symbol cryptd_ablkcipher_child |
| 22:16.52 | mcbane | [ 516.813517] aesni_intel: Unknown symbol cryptd_free_ablkcipher |
| 22:17.00 | mcbane | hope 3 lines of paste are allowd |
| 22:17.26 | Spec | So, anyone know about that time stuff? :) |
| 22:17.54 | Vasistha | mcbane: I'm definitely not the right person to try and help you; and whoever would be willing to will have an easier time reading the info you're providing if it's in a pastebin |
| 22:18.13 | Vasistha | Spec: I missed your question, but did you /msg dpkg set time ? |
| 22:18.15 | kingsley | How can I find out how robustly the "MPI" (aka "Message Passing Interface") packages for parallel processing support "NUMA" (aka "Non-Uniform Memory Access") hardware without buying the it, testing it myself, and risking wasting my money if it fails? I'm particularly interested in whether a process running in a given CPU socket can see all memory on the motherboard, even if the memory resides in a DIMM slot associated with a different CPU |
| 22:18.16 | kingsley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.49 | Spec | Vasistha: My time is correct according to 'date' and 'hwclock', and is kept up to date via ntpd. However, when I create new files, the timestamps are 8 minutes in the future (date && touch moo && ls -al moo && date). |
| 22:19.51 | Spec | and the timestamps are in the future regardless of if i'm writing to an nfs mount or the local filesystem |
| 22:20.42 | Bop | anyone have permission denied when launching xsane with user ? |
| 22:20.50 | Bop | works with root |
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| 22:21.58 | karlpinc | Bop: Try adding yourself to the scanner group and re-logging in. |
| 22:22.06 | Bop | karlpinc, already did that |
| 22:22.13 | bdheeman | Bop: add the users to scanner group |
| 22:22.24 | Bop | users are separeted by "," right ? |
| 22:22.29 | Bop | user1,user2 |
| 22:22.30 | karlpinc | Bop: What does the "groups" command say? |
| 22:22.54 | Trewas | kingsley: MPI works in a level way above where things like NUMA matter |
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| 22:23.01 | Bop | it says im part of scanner and saned group |
| 22:23.26 | karlpinc | Bop: What do the logs say? Or what does it say if you start it from the command prompt? |
| 22:23.34 | kingsley | Trewas: Please elaborate. |
| 22:25.05 | Bop | karlpinc, no console output , just a Graphical window saying " failed to open device : access to resource has been denied" |
| 22:25.14 | Trewas | kingsley: MPI is quite high level interface which works in clusters etc, so whether something is NUMA or not is quite irrelevant |
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| 22:27.55 | kingsley | Trewas: Do you happen to know which software is responsible for allocating processes to CPUs, and data to memory banks? |
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| 22:28.25 | Trewas | kingsley: anyway, all normal PC hardware works so that the kernel and every process sees all memory whether it is physically connected to whichever processor |
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| 22:30.58 | Trewas | at least some AMD processors were NUMA on that sense (in multiprocessors machines every processor has its own memory controller) but all the memory can be accessed as usual, and the kernel tries to keep the processes in the same processor so there is no redundant memory traffic |
| 22:34.27 | remotehost | hi i m trying to run an 32bit program on 34bit OS and i am getting libstdc++.so.6 not frond |
| 22:34.55 | remotehost | libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file |
| 22:35.23 | remotehost | No such file or directory 64bit |
| 22:36.05 | remotehost | and i did an locate it is in /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 22:36.37 | remotehost | so how do i run that program? |
| 22:36.44 | Spec | time issue turned out to be my fault. home directory wasn't on local filesystem, but on filer, so it was the filer's fault after all. |
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| 22:46.56 | Bop | karlpinc, any more help ? |
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| 22:59.19 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 23:10.34 | Judge-- | Hello all. I have installed apache2 + php5 with apt-get, but when I try to access an Alias it asks me to download the index.php what may be wrong? |
| 23:12.00 | poisonbit | Alias as in ServerAlias should run the php (if the ServerName runs it) |
| 23:12.39 | Judge-- | Alias /test/ "/foo/baa" |
| 23:12.46 | streuner_ | dpkg, php wants me to download still |
| 23:12.47 | dpkg | The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 23:14.39 | Judge-- | hum |
| 23:14.44 | Judge-- | thank you |
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| 23:36.27 | tharkun | Where can i find the GPL under a debian install? |
| 23:37.15 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: /usr/share/doc/common-licenses/ |
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| 23:37.28 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: as is referenced in every single debian/copyright file which is under the GPL |
| 23:37.50 | dondelelcaro | err, /usr/share/common-licenses/ |
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| 23:38.53 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx, i kind of panicked a little. |
| 23:41.08 | nutron | libstdc++.so.5 .. is that available as a 32bit lib under the amd64 arch? |
| 23:41.37 | dondelelcaro | nutron: see ia32-libs |
| 23:42.01 | nutron | oh is that still 'round? :/ thought it got borked. I would've gone there first :) |
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| 23:42.57 | tharkun | I have a dual boot laptop. Windows and linux. Do i infringe the windows license? (I know this is ot. I don't know anywhere else to ask) |
| 23:43.43 | poisonbit | tharkun, there is a debian-legal |
| 23:43.48 | AimHere | No you don't |
| 23:43.56 | poisonbit | (mailing list) and since dual boot is suported... |
| 23:44.16 | peterrooney | tharkun: where in the license does it say you can only use the laptop for windows? not the same as only being able to use your registration on that laptop. |
| 23:44.26 | poisonbit | I've too an asus eeepc whit a win7 I never boot |
| 23:44.43 | AimHere | It might say it in the EULA if Microsoft were stupid and fascist enough. |
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| 23:46.19 | poisonbit | tharkun, do you know about wikileaks? that really talks about infringements and things that should be punished |
| 23:47.12 | tharkun | peterrooney: thx, I had that idea also but asking won't hurt me. It seems i will have an audit of software on the near future. And since my company isued laptop is the only one with dual-boot I panicked |
| 23:47.29 | poisonbit | asus provides linux support/downloads as well as the win* downloads... i think i do not infringe nothing by using debian :) |
| 23:48.06 | tharkun | poisonbit: I know but i have been working to turn around this company from MS to opensource for quite sometime. It wouldn't look good to get it into trouble because of "MY" laptop |
| 23:48.50 | poisonbit | well, into a company there use to be "policies" |
| 23:48.57 | poisonbit | thats another issue :) |
| 23:49.35 | poisonbit | in my company there are 33% win, 33% OSX and 32% ubuntu and i (debian) |
| 23:51.06 | poisonbit | (at desktops... at servers 80% debian 18% MS* and 2% mega-mix) |
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| 23:53.35 | poisonbit | tharkun, into a company, ask to your boss. there are policies at a side of what OS provider says |
| 23:54.35 | poisonbit | s/OS/pseudoOS/ |
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| 23:55.46 | tharkun | poisonbit: workstations 18% OSX 27% Debian 54% Windows Servers 50% Debian 50% Windows (since half of this Win machines have reached EOL there is a good chance of increasing this proportion) |
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| 23:57.01 | sethrd | Sweet. Got wireless working, sound working, webcam working. Only thing left to get working, that I can think of at the moment, is power management. Sleep, resume, all that fun stuff. |
| 23:57.26 | poisonbit | tharkun, unless your hardware provider is stuppid or there are any "company policy", running debian on anny supported hardware is properly legal |
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| 23:59.41 | tharkun | poisonbit: it is very reassuring the support i got from the comunity. I overreacted at the thought of having my laptop get the company into trouble. |
| 23:59.55 | tharkun | Thx for the support. (not allways Technical ;P ) |
