| 00:00.05 | poisonbit | sethrd, is it a laptop ? just choosing "laptop" packages during install use to work |
| 00:00.29 | poisonbit | sethrd, tasksel --task-packages laptop # and aptitude show packagename to look up may help |
| 00:01.54 | sethrd | poisonbit: Yeah, I selected laptop during install. |
| 00:03.12 | sethrd | poisonbit: However, sleep doesn't work. When I close lid, screen just turns off. Granted, I JUST moved onto this. |
| 00:04.40 | poisonbit | sethrd, then if you've enought swap to feet your ram look at logs, dmesg, etc |
| 00:05.38 | poisonbit | does it happens the same on X that being on a tty (ctrl + alt + f1) ? |
| 00:05.50 | sethrd | poisonbit: Yeah, I've got more than enough swap. |
| 00:05.59 | Bop | SUBSYSTEM==âusbâ ATTRS{idProduct}=="173b", ATTRS{idVendor}=="04a9" , RUN+=â/bin/chown -R root.usbfs /dev/bus/usb/â <- anything wrong with this udev rule ? |
| 00:06.43 | sethrd | poisonbit: Even in a TTY, screen just turns off. Doesn't sleep. |
| 00:07.23 | poisonbit | sethrd, no idea, power management related issues are hard to debug, sorry |
| 00:07.47 | poisonbit | sethrd, i in your place should lookup the logs, and modinfo to see params for the loaded modules of the kernel |
| 00:08.23 | poisonbit | and if it where only in the Xorg, ... options about xorg drivers (i.e. man intel) |
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| 00:10.07 | poisonbit | also laptops with more than one year, use to have many BIOS acpi related upgrades |
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| 00:11.13 | infinity0 | anyone know of a good GUI firewall that can pop up interactive alerts? |
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| 00:11.26 | _genuser_ | hello peoples |
| 00:11.28 | infinity0 | like "process pidgin is attempting to listen on port 12345, allow y/n?" |
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| 00:12.19 | poisonbit | apt-cache search gtk firewall |
| 00:12.19 | poisonbit | firestarter - gtk program for managing and observing your firewall |
| 00:12.28 | poisonbit | ^^^ infinity0 may be |
| 00:13.09 | poisonbit | but higlightin logs with perl and using watch -n and tcpdump is more funny than gtk |
| 00:13.10 | infinity0 | yeah i've used that, it doesn't pop up alerts |
| 00:13.20 | infinity0 | i don't have time for that |
| 00:13.39 | poisonbit | bash, perl, python, etc can generate desktop alerts |
| 00:15.04 | poisonbit | also, doing that allow y/n requires something more low level than iptables :) |
| 00:15.33 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
| 00:16.52 | infinity0 | er, really? you can't unblock specific ports on demand? |
| 00:17.21 | poisonbit | yes, but the packet NEW has been DROP already and the program has failed |
| 00:17.51 | poisonbit | you can relaunch the program, after open the port |
| 00:18.13 | poisonbit | (or the program may have an auto-retry) |
| 00:19.01 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 00:19.16 | poisonbit | ... i don't know of any packaged soft doing that... that was the original question :) |
| 00:20.12 | infinity0 | heh np |
| 00:20.40 | poisonbit | there are modules of iptables to allow much more complex logic than "ip/port" |
| 00:20.53 | poisonbit | like in example owner of the poccess, hour of the day, etc |
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| 00:37.18 | analyser | hi guys, i have a mace machine running openvz, with several vms in it. I would like to know how to redirect the incoming connections based on port AND host rules. I was thinking about squid, but i dont if squid is capable to do it, since I never used it. Does it? Any another simpler idea? |
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| 00:39.54 | infinity0 | poisonbit: cool, yeah i was once recommended to do TARPIT on a bot that was spamming our sshd |
| 00:43.15 | Bop | im trying to set up a udev rule to give /dev/bus/usb permissions to be able to run my scanner , anyone can help me ? |
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| 00:49.23 | Bop | analyser, i guess u want iptables |
| 00:49.49 | Bop | iptables can redirect incomming traffic to your vm's |
| 00:50.07 | analyser | Bop: but, do iptables do redirections bases on hostnames? |
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| 00:50.50 | Bop | i think not |
| 00:51.21 | analyser | Bop: thats my main issue |
| 00:51.30 | infinity0 | does iptables allow you to setup an action like "run this process, if return 0, ALLOW, else DENY"? |
| 00:52.04 | Bop | infinity0, i think u need to script that |
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| 00:55.21 | Bop | SUBSYSTEM==âusbâ , ATTRS{idProduct}=="173b", ATTRS{idVendor}=="04a9" , OWNER="ngomes" , GROUP="scanner" , MODE="0777" |
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| 00:58.54 | analyser | Bop: i´ve found what I need is squid as revese proxy |
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| 01:09.37 | gregcoit | wireless question paste.debian.net/102653 |
| 01:10.54 | catsup | uh |
| 01:11.43 | catsup | echo 0 >> /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200/*/rf_kill <-- you didn't literally type that did you? |
| 01:12.48 | gregcoit | nope, I found the file. /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200 is a symlink to /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:02.0 |
| 01:12.55 | gregcoit | rf_kill was in there |
| 01:13.26 | catsup | ok |
| 01:13.44 | catsup | did you try reloading the kernel module? |
| 01:14.09 | gregcoit | yep, per wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 01:14.29 | catsup | :( |
| 01:15.05 | gregcoit | :( as in I'm hosed? :) |
| 01:15.08 | catsup | well if i were you i'd try some other kernel versions |
| 01:15.26 | catsup | grab the latest from experimental |
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| 01:16.22 | gregcoit | which is more cutting edge than unstable? cause i'm using lmde and I think that's using unstable |
| 01:16.45 | gregcoit | lmde = linux mint debian edition |
| 01:17.11 | catsup | experimental has 2.6.36 |
| 01:17.33 | f8l | catsup: Experimental has 2.6.37\ |
| 01:17.37 | catsup | oops 37 |
| 01:17.44 | catsup | :) |
| 01:18.05 | gregcoit | lmde has 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:18.11 | gregcoit | so that would be a change |
| 01:18.18 | gregcoit | and in this case, change is good |
| 01:18.42 | f8l | gregcoit: You never know. There might be some regressions. |
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| 01:22.39 | gregcoit | i guess the part that's confusing me is why would the system keep overwritting the rf_kill file |
| 01:22.47 | gregcoit | maybe that's what I need to focus on |
| 01:31.23 | pfred1 | anyone here have a 70-persistent-cd.rules file that actually works? |
| 01:32.34 | gregcoit | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/acer-5930g-rf-kill-switch-doesnt-work-676079/ post #3 is the issue i'm having |
| 01:33.14 | sethrd | Anyone know of a good HOWTO on getting suspend to ram working on lid closure on a laptop? s2ram works perfectlyw ell, but getting the system to suspend when lid is closed is not working. |
| 01:34.52 | ganrahi | pfred1: that file is auto-generated |
| 01:35.10 | pfred1 | ganrahi well it isn't auto working |
| 01:35.36 | ganrahi | But then asking for a working file won't make sense, since it differs from system to system. |
| 01:35.58 | pfred1 | ganrahi maybe not for you but i might be able to make sense of it |
| 01:37.10 | ganrahi | sighs |
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| 01:41.22 | sethrd | Anyone know of a good HOWTO on getting suspend to ram working on lid closure on a laptop? s2ram works perfectly well, but getting the system to suspend when lid is closed is not working. |
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| 01:42.55 | Arrowmaster | pfred1: what isnt working about it? |
| 01:44.33 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster ah anything? |
| 01:44.47 | pfred1 | it does not make any of the symbolic links in /dev |
| 01:45.09 | Arrowmaster | whats the contents of it? |
| 01:45.17 | pfred1 | which best as I can tell is all it is supposed to do |
| 01:45.27 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster http://pastebin.com/LYAAjyZE |
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| 01:47.35 | Arrowmaster | pfred1: does /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0 exist? |
| 01:48.22 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster no |
| 01:48.47 | pfred1 | least ls can't find it |
| 01:48.49 | Arrowmaster | does /dev/sr0 exist? |
| 01:49.01 | pfred1 | yes |
| 01:49.21 | Arrowmaster | does anything in /dev/disk/by-path point to /dev/sr0? |
| 01:49.50 | pfred1 | I do not have /dev/disk/by-path |
| 01:50.07 | Arrowmaster | oh you dont? |
| 01:50.11 | Arrowmaster | are you on lenny? |
| 01:50.16 | pfred1 | apparently not bash: cd: /dev/disk/by-path: No such file or directory |
| 01:50.27 | pfred1 | Squeeze upgraded from Lenny |
| 01:50.35 | Arrowmaster | weird, i have that on my squeeze |
| 01:50.54 | pfred1 | could be what is borked here the upgrade worked but it wasn't 100% smooth |
| 01:51.19 | rafuch0 | ide-pci-generic.all-generic-ide [HW] (E)IDE subsystem Claim all unknown PCI IDE storage controllers. |
| 01:51.20 | rafuch0 | this boot parameter what exacly mean .... that it will load for all unknow pci devices to ide subsystem or that it will reconizes as IDE devices any unknow storage device ?? |
| 01:51.51 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster this is a new machine to me and well its just new you know? |
| 01:52.21 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster I haven't figured out exactly what just owrks with it yet |
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| 01:53.29 | pfred1 | if I could just get this blanking cdrom jazz straightened out I think I'd just about have it licked |
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| 01:53.33 | Arrowmaster | run udevadm info --name=/dev/sr0 --query=all |
| 01:54.14 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster and what would be of interest there? |
| 01:54.29 | Arrowmaster | does that look like your cdrom drive? the ID_VENDOR and ID_MODEL should tell you if it is |
| 01:54.32 | pfred1 | ah the PHYSDEVPATH? |
| 01:55.11 | pfred1 | no I do not get those items |
| 01:55.30 | Arrowmaster | strange |
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| 01:55.45 | Arrowmaster | might want to check that youve got the correct udev for squeeze |
| 01:56.16 | pfred1 | ah I may distro hop just to do a little contrasting on this issue gather some more info so to speak |
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| 01:56.37 | pfred1 | like see it actually work? |
| 01:56.54 | pfred1 | I knew setting this box up was going to be a PITA |
| 01:57.48 | Arrowmaster | well if you do get it working one suggestion i have is to change the 70-persistent-cd.rules to not try to match on ID_PATH but on both ID_VENDOR and ID_MODEL |
| 01:57.59 | Arrowmaster | i found that the path changed on mine some times |
| 01:58.18 | pfred1 | I don't have ID anything |
| 01:58.46 | pfred1 | this DVD drive is an elcheapo though |
| 01:58.51 | Arrowmaster | what you pasted has ENV{ID_PATH} but you said thats not working currently |
| 01:59.25 | pfred1 | all I know is I have no /dev/cdrom |
| 01:59.38 | pfred1 | and it sure looks like that rules file is trying to make one to me |
| 02:00.21 | pfred1 | mosrt likely something went sour on the upgrade here |
| 02:01.03 | pfred1 | though at least i got to see my video accelerated and i know what that takes now |
| 02:01.18 | Arrowmaster | and you dont have a /dev/cdrom1 or anything else right? |
| 02:01.21 | pfred1 | its cool too! |
| 02:01.36 | pfred1 | no /dev/cd* at all |
| 02:01.51 | pfred1 | tried that long ago |
| 02:02.08 | pfred1 | if I make the link it doesn't even work anyways |
| 02:02.34 | pfred1 | I did like ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/cdrom |
| 02:02.42 | pfred1 | something to that effect |
| 02:02.52 | pfred1 | then apps still didn't work |
| 02:02.58 | Arrowmaster | if /dev/sr0 isnt working then its a more serious problem |
| 02:03.09 | pfred1 | oh it works with data CDs |
| 02:03.37 | pfred1 | I can mount /dev/sr0 to /mount/cdrom |
| 02:03.49 | pfred1 | works like a snake charm |
| 02:04.25 | pfred1 | but if I try to access an audio CD it gives me bizarre errors in syslog and dmesg |
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| 02:04.35 | spope | what is causing this error http://pastebin.com/mqRX899p ? |
| 02:04.50 | pfred1 | some stuff about such and such is not supported I forget the exact wording I have it in a file someplace |
| 02:06.53 | pfred1 | spope well did it work? |
| 02:07.08 | Arrowmaster | spope: looks like something with the mtop package, from its description im assuming its trying to access an mysql server running locally and failing |
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| 02:07.38 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.39 | rafuch0 | this boot parameter what exacly mean .... that it will load for all unknow pci devices to ide subsystem or that it will reconizes as IDE devices any unknow storage device ?? |
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| 02:09.59 | spope | Arrowmaster, haha why would some package need to access my database server? |
| 02:10.04 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster well thanks for all of your help now i can see that this is messed up enough that a reinstall won't make me feel too badly |
| 02:10.13 | chilicuil | hi there, do you think that "ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/my_command" is correct?, I'm trying to make a command accesible for everyone, visudo is not compleaning but it apparently is not running when I added it to the startup scripts in gnome |
| 02:10.22 | netadmin | do you have online debian developer? I created new .deb package please help me |
| 02:10.53 | pfred1 | chilicuil did you logout then back in? |
| 02:11.05 | chilicuil | pfred1: yep |
| 02:11.18 | pfred1 | chilicuil shucks if it isn't that then I don't know |
| 02:11.55 | chilicuil | pfred1: yep X_x |
| 02:13.11 | spope | whats the difference between user cpu and systerm cpu |
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| 02:16.22 | nsadmin | is it possible to change the font on the virtual consoles if there is not a frame buffer in use? |
| 02:16.51 | Kobaz | what tool would i use to set the group of a user... like a chfn type of program, but set the user's assigned group (not add a user to a group) |
| 02:16.58 | Kobaz | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:17.17 | nsadmin | how? |
| 02:17.42 | Kobaz | there's a tool from a very old slackware distro called setfont |
| 02:18.26 | nsadmin | btw, usermod as root |
| 02:18.44 | Kobaz | nsadmin: ah, perfect |
| 02:19.06 | nsadmin | the user cannot do it himself |
| 02:19.10 | Bop | im trying to set up a udev rule to give /dev/bus/usb permissions to be able to run my scanner , anyone can help me ? |
| 02:19.22 | Kobaz | nsadmin: actually, it looks like it's in debian too... check out kbd package |
| 02:19.27 | Kobaz | setfont - load EGA/VGA console screen font |
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| 02:23.16 | Kobaz | nsadmin: sweet... i forgot about usermod.. i actually use it already for changing home directory |
| 02:23.27 | Kobaz | nsadmin: i'm making a perl module for user/group maintenance |
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| 02:53.39 | sethrd | Anyone know of a good HOWTO on getting suspend to ram working on lid closure on a laptop? s2ram works perfectly well, but getting the system to suspend when lid is closed is not working. |
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| 02:56.35 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: it's normally done through acpi-support or similar |
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| 02:59.41 | alystair | bah looks like solr skipped over squeeze and will only be in sid packages |
| 02:59.48 | sethrd | dondelelcaro: The laptop will suspend if I issue s2ram from shell, but not if I close the lid. |
| 02:59.50 | alystair | unless there's some magic I can do with backports? |
| 03:03.33 | iluminator101 | whats this libweather library in debian? |
| 03:09.48 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: right; what you do is modify acpi-support's files to call s2ram |
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| 03:12.02 | sethrd | dondelelcaro: Right. I setup /etc/acpi/events/custom_lid to read event=button/lid action=/etc/acpi/actions/custom_sleep.sh |
| 03:12.51 | sethrd | that action is set as source /proc/ pidof xscreensaver /environ && xscreensaver-command-lock |
| 03:12.54 | sethrd | s2ram |
| 03:13.36 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: and you've restarted acpid? |
| 03:13.46 | sethrd | i also tried with echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 03:14.04 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: and when you close the lid, you see a button/lid event when you're listening with acpi_listen? |
| 03:14.13 | tharkun | Gentlemen in order to parse a log without root privilidges the user should be a member of the group associated with the specific log in question right? |
| 03:14.48 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: the log just needs to be readable by the user, however that is worked out |
| 03:14.53 | sethrd | dondelelcaro: acpi_listen reports button/lid LID close button/lid LID open |
| 03:15.04 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 03:15.32 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: ok. First thing, though, you need to check what the state of the lid is before you call s2ram, because you'll call it when the lid opens and when the lid closes |
| 03:16.07 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: and all of this may be unecessary; you generally can just uncommid LID_SLEEP in /etc/default/acpi, and everything should work if you've got acpi-support installed |
| 03:16.28 | dondelelcaro | (I personally don't have that uncommented, because I do complicated things, like automatically fixup my wireless devices) |
| 03:18.15 | sethrd | uncommented that, restarted acpid, no go |
| 03:19.55 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: ok. what does find /etc/acpi/events/ -type f |xargs grep -C 2 lid; output? |
| 03:21.08 | sethrd | dondelelcaro: 9 results. 5 from /etc/acpi/events/libbtn, 2 from lm_lid, and 2 from custom_lid |
| 03:22.40 | sethrd | 3 lines from libbtn were comments. The other two are the exact same same listed in lm_lid and custom_lid |
| 03:24.02 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: yeah, use a pastebin |
| 03:24.10 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: and you have pm-utils installed too, right? |
| 03:24.14 | sethrd | yeah |
| 03:24.16 | sethrd | sec |
| 03:25.29 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: while you're pasting, give the contents of /etc/default/acpi , /etc/acpi/sleep.sh , and /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 03:25.41 | Bop | can anyone tell me the minimum permissions to run a scanner by a udev rule ? i got MODE "0777" but want to know the minimum mod to run it |
| 03:26.44 | sethrd | I don't have /etc/default/acpi, but I do have acpid and acpi-support.. |
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| 03:28.33 | sethrd | http://pastebin.com/bXUdn3TR |
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| 03:33.21 | tharkun | 683 users and the count still droping :( |
| 03:33.27 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: err, acpi-support, rather |
| 03:34.46 | sethrd | http://pastebin.com/hUxmz4BB |
| 03:34.47 | sethrd | updated |
| 03:36.22 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: ok; are you running gnome, kde, or xfce? |
| 03:36.33 | sethrd | gnome |
| 03:36.38 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 03:36.51 | dondelelcaro | sorry; I've lead you on a bit of a goose chase. |
| 03:36.57 | sethrd | ......? |
| 03:37.08 | dondelelcaro | apparently, the gnome settings are done in gnome-power-manager or some such |
| 03:37.10 | sethrd | gnome power manager doesn't show options to suspend |
| 03:37.29 | dondelelcaro | well, it's supposed to handle that |
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| 03:38.26 | dondelelcaro | but if you want to bypass that, you can comment out the CheckPolicy bits in /etc/acpi/lid.sh and /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
| 03:38.45 | dondelelcaro | I personally don't use gnome, kde, or xfce, so I don't know how to configure them |
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| 03:39.04 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: what wm do you prefer? |
| 03:39.55 | sethrd | http://i.imgur.com/5ffmM.png is what gnome power manager shows me |
| 03:40.07 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: awesome |
| 03:40.18 | tharkun | :) |
| 03:40.37 | sethrd | dondelelcaro: Just the CheckPolicy line? |
| 03:40.47 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: huh; and it doesn't have an option for anything else? what about in the general settings? |
| 03:41.47 | dondelelcaro | supposedly it should have more bits |
| 03:42.07 | sethrd | http://i.imgur.com/y47Bh.png |
| 03:42.29 | sethrd | power button shows only ask me, suspend button has no options, not even a drop down |
| 03:42.30 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-power-manager/gpp.html shows more options |
| 03:43.16 | sethrd | Yeah, there should be more options, but there aren't. |
| 03:45.30 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: hrm; yeah, I don't know what to do about that. I don't use gnome at all |
| 03:45.56 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: someone else may know better. However, if you're in a hurry, you can hack around it by commenting out the CheckPolicy bits |
| 03:46.10 | dondelelcaro | f [ x$1 != xforce ] && [ x$1 != xsleep ] && CheckPolicy; then |
| 03:46.17 | dondelelcaro | will become: if [ x$1 != xforce ] && [ x$1 != xsleep ]; then |
| 03:46.33 | dondelelcaro | and if CheckPolicy; then exit; fi will become # if CheckPolicy; then exit; fi |
| 03:46.41 | sethrd | I'd really prefer not to hack anything up.I've found it to be more of a headache than anything. |
| 03:46.58 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: yeah, probably a good idea. |
| 03:47.54 | sethrd | Sadly, I can barely find anything regarding this laptop and debian online. |
| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: anyway, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-power-manager-list/2007-June/msg00002.html may be informative, and there are some other bits from a google search |
| 03:48.07 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: oh, it's nothing to do with that laptop specifically |
| 03:48.17 | dondelelcaro | sethrd: it's a general problem with gnome not showing the option to suspend for whatever reason |
| 03:49.51 | sethrd | I was just hoping to see if someone else figured it out. Appreciate the assistance. |
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| 03:53.21 | iluminator101 | dondelelcaro, whats this libweather should i get rid of it? |
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| 04:00.44 | kanzure | hi all. i just plugged in a monitor, is there a quick way to turn it on via xrandr? |
| 04:00.58 | kanzure | hmm i'm probably going to have to reboot xorg aren't i |
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| 04:01.52 | nsadmin | iluminator101, the first q is googlable... the second depends on what you want |
| 04:02.33 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, i did that, why do i need weather info on my pc, does make any sense at all |
| 04:03.02 | iluminator101 | second less is better at least thats what i think |
| 04:04.44 | nsadmin | so why do you have it installed? is it part of a big collection of packages, like kde, gnome or emacs? |
| 04:06.23 | nsadmin | if less is better, you could consider not running x |
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| 04:07.54 | nsadmin | or at least not running gnome or kde |
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| 04:11.18 | iluminator101 | nsadmin its part of gnome |
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| 04:11.51 | chrissbx | Hello. I still haven't found a *good* webcam that is working *well* with Linux. |
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| 04:12.29 | chrissbx | I just bought a Logitech "Communicate Deluxe" for 50$ only to be (very) disappointed. |
| 04:13.27 | chrissbx | My primary aims are (1) doesn't slow down or smear out in lower light, (2) I think I need autofocus, all these manually adjusted cameras just seem to have such bad lenses, |
| 04:13.51 | chrissbx | probably on purpose even so that you don't see when the focus is off. Also probably that's a reason they are all so weak in lower light. |
| 04:14.33 | chrissbx | I see that many people are raving about the Microsoft Lifecam Cinema 720p right now, |
| 04:14.53 | chrissbx | but these are Windows users, the camera seems to sort of work in Linux but to crash often, so that's a no go.. |
| 04:15.08 | chrissbx | Anyone found the real thing yet? |
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| 05:12.31 | iluminator101 | how do i remove a package by itself in debian i.e evolution without pulling all there other apps that are piled together |
| 05:14.36 | Kysh | Just for the record, I have forensics to indicate that the exim remote root exploit has gone network, with mass vulnerability scanning. |
| 05:15.23 | Kysh | So, uh, make sure to fix your systems. It's a completely trivial exploit. |
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| 05:18.47 | hellnest | iluminator101: aptitude keepall |
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| 05:19.28 | iluminator101 | hellnest, i do that but it says its removing other package even after i do that |
| 05:19.45 | hellnest | iluminator101: apt-get purge evolution |
| 05:19.53 | peterrooney | iluminator101: apt-get --purge remove evolution should work |
| 05:21.01 | hellnest | it's because you install gnome using meta-packages so when you remove one of it component it will remove the other that inside the meta-package |
| 05:22.28 | iluminator101 | still no go it remove gnome-accessibility* gnome-core* with evolution |
| 05:23.45 | peterrooney | iluminator101: normally, removing evolution must remove anything that depends on it |
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| 05:25.57 | iluminator101 | i will just leave it ...its too much of a headache |
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| 05:28.07 | hellnest | iluminator101: remove it and install the other stuff that you need again without leaving gnome |
| 05:28.09 | hellnest | :) |
| 05:29.43 | iluminator101 | i am not following |
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| 05:34.27 | peterrooney | iluminator101: this will break things: dpkg -P --force-depends evolution |
| 05:34.49 | peterrooney | iluminator101: I must repeat: WILL BREAK THINGS |
| 05:35.11 | iluminator101 | i will just leave it |
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| 05:45.41 | nutron | is there a daemon that tracks system idle time, and auto shutdown/etc? |
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| 05:54.32 | _genuser_ | ding frys are done, ding frys are done. |
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| 06:00.53 | endpoint_david | is there a way to display *when* specific packages were installed or upgraded? |
| 06:01.26 | streuner | dpkg.log? |
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| 06:03.51 | endpoint_david | streuner: sounds promising. |
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| 06:06.06 | streuner | dpkg, listvals dpkg.log |
| 06:06.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dpkg.log' by value (2): dpkg.log ;; dlog. |
| 06:06.18 | streuner | dpkg, dpkg.log |
| 06:06.18 | dpkg | /var/log/dpkg.log is the default log file of dpkg, it contains list of latest status changes and upgrades to packages; see also also /var/log/aptitude or files under /var/log/apt/. see http://simple.be/software/daudit/ |
| 06:06.57 | endpoint_david | cool, thanks |
| 06:07.04 | streuner | np |
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| 06:15.24 | WormFood | I'm watching a video on my laptop, and the screen goes blank (blank screen timeout, no screen saver)....but no mouse movement or key presses will unblank the screen, even tho I can still hear my video playing, and I can still ssh into it (and kill mplayer) I can't seem to get control back (can't even alt-F1 to a console)...anyone have any suggestions to unblank my screen? (this is a fresh squeeze install of about 2 weeks ago) |
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| 06:16.24 | WormFood | er...I mean, I can"t alt-ctrl-F1 to get a console. |
| 06:18.00 | collabra | will the squeeze beta1 release candidate produce the same installation as rc beta 2...? |
| 06:18.05 | WormFood | ok, I confirmed, that when I alt-ctrl-F1, it does give me a console, but the screen is still blank....how to unblank, and why hasn't it done so automatically? |
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| 06:21.02 | collabra | nm |
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| 06:29.48 | nutron | what's the "official" way to hibernate/suspend? What's the package? |
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| 06:30.21 | WormFood | there is no "official" way to hibernate/suspend...it all depends on what environment and hardware you're running. |
| 06:30.50 | nutron | WormFood: diskless :), there's s2ram hibernate and others I've run through my fancy google-fu'ing |
| 06:30.57 | nutron | Just want to pick the one that works :P |
| 06:31.56 | WormFood | you may need to play around with it a little bit, to see what works |
| 06:32.33 | nutron | aye, that's the "official" way of doing things anyway heh |
| 06:33.12 | WormFood | well, with Unix systems, there are usually multiple ways to accomplish the same tasks |
| 06:34.02 | WormFood | sometimes one way is better than the others, and other times they're equal....I understand your question perfectly, it is just that it is not always easy to answer to the degree you want. |
| 06:34.10 | nutron | 'course though I've never thought much about power, now that there are 9 systems happily creating heat and burning through power I want to mitigate the costs. |
| 06:34.36 | WormFood | well, right now, I'd be happy with the extra heat they generate ;) |
| 06:34.56 | nutron | right, though I was hoping that someone who's done it would pipe in and gimme the dingles to the goods. I can muck around np, just didn't want to waste a lot of time doing it :) |
| 06:35.18 | WormFood | what have you tried? anything? |
| 06:36.24 | WormFood | I used to have suspend and sleep working perfectly on my thinkpad T30 laptop...but that system died, so it is hard to see what exactly I had installed. |
| 06:37.00 | WormFood | now on my T60p laptop, I have yet to get everything back to the same state I had it in on my T30 laptop :( |
| 06:37.20 | nutron | s2ram, but that looks like a suse specific thing, it worked on disk based clients, but it's a toss up on diskless (I'm not in front of the machine I want to test it on), so from what I remember, network and .. something else had to come up before the system was loaded. |
| 06:37.39 | WormFood | there is a "hibernate" package |
| 06:37.45 | nutron | Ah, surprising, IBM stuff never failed me... now.. don't get me started on intel :/ |
| 06:38.06 | WormFood | "Intel" is less than 1/2 of "Intelligence" ;P |
| 06:38.10 | nutron | aye, that's why I was poking around, don't know which one will do the diskless thing. |
| 06:38.14 | nutron | hah |
| 06:38.22 | nutron | true enough, I'd never heard that before. Quite fitting. |
| 06:38.27 | WormFood | diskless eh? no storage |
| 06:38.34 | nutron | Remote NFS storage |
| 06:38.41 | WormFood | really? I heard that one back in the 1980s |
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| 06:39.03 | nutron | I was just breakin' into the "geek" in the 80's, trs-80 |
| 06:39.11 | Crum | die die die die!!!! show me bloood!!! |
| 06:39.20 | WormFood | I've always been a fan of Motorola...perhaps because I program them in asm too...and for asm, Motorola is a lot easier than Intel |
| 06:39.23 | Crum | slit your wrist! slit your throat! cut your fingers! cut your legs! cut your arms! |
| 06:39.28 | Crum | show me bloooood |
| 06:39.32 | Crum | chop of limbs! |
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| 06:39.34 | nutron | ... ban? |
| 06:39.36 | Crum | die die die !!! 666 666 666!!! |
| 06:39.40 | Crum | mwahahaha |
| 06:39.43 | Crum | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.46 | WormFood | I doubt there are any ops around right now |
| 06:39.47 | Crum | eeeeeeeehehehee |
| 06:39.47 | WormFood | !ops |
| 06:39.48 | dpkg | ops is probably Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:39.49 | nutron | tourettes? |
| 06:39.51 | Crum | die die |
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| 06:40.01 | Crum | gtg!!! |
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| 06:40.07 | WormFood | heh |
| 06:40.09 | nutron | hah |
| 06:40.21 | WormFood | I wonder if it is a script or a real person |
| 06:40.23 | nutron | xk'll ban him anyway |
| 06:40.25 | xk | real person :> |
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| 06:40.39 | Funkster | Hi. |
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| 06:41.14 | xk | [Funkster(~shs@adsl-152-58-106.asm.bellsouth.net)] Heyyyy what was that for? |
| 06:41.15 | WormFood | did they think we wouldn't see their hostname? |
| 06:41.20 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 06:41.24 | xk | [Funkster(~shs@adsl-152-58-106.asm.bellsouth.net)] jeez what's your problem dude |
| 06:41.28 | xk | [Funkster(~shs@adsl-152-58-106.asm.bellsouth.net)] chill out |
| 06:41.52 | xk | hmm... I'll +q him :) |
| 06:41.58 | nutron | if I remember correctly, there was another way to handle suspend...with a different package. but I think my search terms are too broad. |
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| 06:42.24 | nutron | heh :/ don't you know the internets make you anonymous? |
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| 06:43.52 | WormFood | nutron, I think you're right too...but I can't find the package (I don't have "hibernate" installed, and my system still hibernates just fine |
| 06:43.56 | hardcode | lol they do if your using a hacked box to piss off linux ppl |
| 06:44.00 | nutron | Do you really think my mommy called me by the second smallest particle of matter known to man? |
| 06:44.22 | hardcode | nutron! what time is it? |
| 06:44.26 | WormFood | anyways....as I was getting to, before....if you don't have any local storage, then you can't hibernate...you can only sleep |
| 06:44.29 | hardcode | ohh he isnt an eggbot |
| 06:45.19 | WormFood | in hibernate mode, it saves all the memory info to storage, and when it comes out of hibernate mode, it loads the ram back off the storage device, and sets up everything, and continues |
| 06:45.50 | hardcode | wait so is WormFood a bot? |
| 06:45.54 | WormFood | in sleep mode, you're in a very low power mode...mostly just the ram and refresh circuits are still operating....99% of everything else is powered off.....not truly off, but a very low power mode |
| 06:46.11 | WormFood | yes, I'm a bot...how'd you guess....you're so smart ;) |
| 06:46.22 | hardcode | WormFood: confirm please |
| 06:46.46 | nutron | :o |
| 06:46.54 | hardcode | nutron: nice assist |
| 06:46.56 | WormFood | parsers overloaded, please restate your question |
| 06:47.07 | hardcode | WormFood: failed |
| 06:47.24 | hardcode | WormFood: how do you hibernate? |
| 06:47.37 | nutron | WormFood: right, I need to suspend to ram/swap which is remote... I know it's been done.. but again, my terms are too general. |
| 06:47.44 | hardcode | everytime i hibernate.. it boots back up and all my crap is locked and i got lots to cleanup |
| 06:47.57 | nutron | I think I need to search for "what's the third debian package that puts my computer in a deep sleep state" |
| 06:47.59 | WormFood | don't hibernate |
| 06:48.01 | WormFood | sleep |
| 06:48.02 | nutron | that should get me what I want |
| 06:48.05 | nutron | Heh right |
| 06:48.08 | nutron | I read that |
| 06:48.42 | hardcode | but hibernation is better.. then i can unplug it and send it 1000miles and boot i back up and have it be confused by the fact that my wan ip changed |
| 06:48.57 | WormFood | ;( my uncle went to my house, and rebooted my server with >700 days of uptime, because he thought maybe it would fix the internet connection :( |
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| 06:49.01 | nutron | hardcode: I'm doing this diskless |
| 06:49.14 | WormFood | hardcode, not if you don't have any storage device |
| 06:49.38 | hardcode | nutron: i agree .. what do you guys do to go diskless? |
| 06:49.40 | hardcode | err |
| 06:49.58 | hardcode | do you actually burn an eeprom for a nic or is that oldschool now? |
| 06:49.59 | nutron | Oh, y'know I've never checked if sleep states count against uptime :) |
| 06:50.04 | WormFood | I need to go login to my server, and clean up, since it is back up and running now...I'll be back....and if anyone has any suggestions to my screen blanking/unblanking issues, I'd love to hear them |
| 06:50.19 | nutron | hardcode: all onboard ethernet controllers now have an option to boot via pxe |
| 06:50.23 | WormFood | hardcode, most modern computers support booting over ethernet |
| 06:50.32 | WormFood | even my old P3 workstations support PXE |
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| 06:50.46 | nutron | aye, onboard right? |
| 06:51.04 | WormFood | and let me tell you....if you have a lot of machines to work on, PXE is wonderful (I used it to update the BIOSes on about 20 computers, in no time) |
| 06:51.08 | hardcode | what do you need as a server? |
| 06:51.18 | nutron | I find all the nice 3com/dlink/linksys/smc cards don't from that era, but all intel/ibm and others do |
| 06:51.34 | WormFood | setting up a PXE server isn't too hard...you need dns and tftp server mostly, if I remember correctly (I haven't done it in years) |
| 06:51.53 | hardcode | so how are you booting then? |
| 06:52.03 | nutron | WormFood: aye .. i even use it to memtest :) with a script I wrote, which auto updates dhcp and boot image... though I could use syslinux to make it look like grub with a menu... |
| 06:52.08 | nutron | but that's too easy |
| 06:52.21 | hardcode | do you have agetty running on a terminal? |
| 06:52.26 | WormFood | and that PXE boot can also be used to hack windows too (make it look like computer came from the factory with windows pre-installed on it) |
| 06:52.28 | hardcode | have you tried vga=normal |
| 06:52.31 | nutron | dhcp, tftp, nfs |
| 06:52.54 | nutron | hardcode: nope, it's a real linux system which has its root partition mounted remotely on a server |
| 06:53.09 | WormFood | oh yeah, nfs is not a requirement, but if you're using a Linux/unix system on a diskless station, then it is pretty much required |
| 06:53.23 | hardcode | but you said control alt f1 |
| 06:53.32 | hardcode | you need agetty.. ctrl alt you breaking x11 |
| 06:53.40 | WormFood | huh? |
| 06:53.42 | hardcode | fbmode is still gunna run |
| 06:53.54 | WormFood | alt-F1 won't work from X11, but alt-ctrl-F1 will |
| 06:54.03 | WormFood | so what do I type to reset it? |
| 06:54.12 | hardcode | eh? |
| 06:54.18 | nutron | WormFood: reset what? |
| 06:54.22 | hardcode | go throwe ctrl alts till f12 |
| 06:54.24 | hardcode | and find the x11 |
| 06:54.28 | WormFood | to unblank my screen |
| 06:54.36 | hardcode | or ctrl alt + |
| 06:54.42 | hardcode | sholud find the next x11 window |
| 06:54.43 | WormFood | my X11 session is on the 10th virtual console, but it still does not unblank my screen |
| 06:54.49 | nutron | ahh, i'd hup the screensaver process if it's actually running |
| 06:54.57 | WormFood | there is no screen saver installed |
| 06:54.59 | hardcode | does ctrl alt +? |
| 06:55.08 | WormFood | let me try... |
| 06:55.08 | hardcode | well there is new support for shadow too |
| 06:55.19 | WormFood | this machine is in the other room...brb |
| 06:55.22 | hardcode | not shadow |
| 06:55.28 | nutron | a'ight |
| 06:55.33 | hardcode | if you have access let me find the lcd brightness command |
| 06:55.52 | hardcode | that crap hoses my laptop to like 25% sometimes coming back to it in terminal |
| 06:55.54 | hardcode | if xserver is up |
| 06:56.02 | WormFood | it does nothing |
| 06:56.14 | WormFood | I can change the lcd brightness |
| 06:56.20 | WormFood | the screen is just completely blank |
| 06:56.33 | hardcode | and ctrl+alt+f12 doesnt bring up anything |
| 06:56.35 | hardcode | err |
| 06:56.40 | hardcode | f1 through f12 |
| 06:56.53 | hardcode | or as you said f10 is just blank |
| 06:56.58 | WormFood | I was watching a video, full screen, with mplayer (-fs -zoom options), and the screen blanker kicked in, and it won't unblank...everything else seems to be working perfectly |
| 06:57.05 | WormFood | they are ALL blank |
| 06:57.11 | hardcode | please tell me your using the trunk |
| 06:57.17 | WormFood | squeeze |
| 06:57.21 | hardcode | smplayer and mplayer |
| 06:57.25 | WormFood | stock install, nothing fancy |
| 06:57.29 | hardcode | no tthe svn from mplayer.hu |
| 06:57.34 | WormFood | no, not svn |
| 06:57.45 | hardcode | mplayer is so so much better then the weird gui mplayer that comes with linux |
| 06:57.51 | WormFood | it is from one of the standard repositories |
| 06:58.03 | WormFood | I don't use the GUI on mplayer...if I want a gui, I use vlc |
| 06:58.05 | hardcode | i could check debian |
| 06:58.13 | hardcode | yeah well mplayer does console |
| 06:58.22 | hardcode | but mplayer trunk does console way way better imo |
| 06:58.30 | hardcode | mplayer only does console |
| 06:58.33 | hardcode | smplayer is gui |
| 06:58.36 | hardcode | in windows |
| 06:58.55 | hardcode | and in linux i found the old old mplayer.. that wount play half of the h264 videos i encoded |
| 06:59.08 | hardcode | i wont say the distro haha |
| 06:59.23 | WormFood | anyways...that is the sequence of events that led up to my screen being blanked....now I need to know how to unblank it, and why in the hell it won't unblank normally |
| 06:59.47 | hardcode | my guess would be framebuffer |
| 06:59.49 | WormFood | I've NEVER had any issues with the screen being blanked, and not unblanking before |
| 07:00.26 | WormFood | do most of you guys run some form of X display manager, or do you usually login to the console, and "startx" (or something equal)? |
| 07:00.32 | hardcode | maybe you blew up your lcd screen |
| 07:00.40 | WormFood | no, the lcd is fine |
| 07:00.42 | hardcode | i do |
| 07:00.49 | nutron | WormFood: gdm or slim in my case |
| 07:00.52 | WormFood | you do what hardcode? |
| 07:00.52 | nutron | that's how I use X |
| 07:01.02 | hardcode | i setup agettys all the way till f10 |
| 07:01.22 | WormFood | slim? never heard that...another xdm? |
| 07:01.22 | hardcode | then i startx & > /dev/null; clear;logout |
| 07:01.26 | hardcode | then log back in |
| 07:01.31 | hardcode | and set DISPLAY=:1 |
| 07:01.34 | hardcode | and do it again |
| 07:01.35 | nutron | WormFood: yeah, but not as brutally ugly |
| 07:01.41 | nutron | in more ways than one |
| 07:01.42 | hardcode | so i have to x11 running and 10 consoles |
| 07:01.46 | hardcode | that makes me happy |
| 07:02.00 | hardcode | and 8+workstations on both x11's |
| 07:02.09 | WormFood | hardcode, I can bypass your screen saver, if you use it to lock your screen |
| 07:02.22 | nutron | brb |
| 07:02.35 | hardcode | i can leach my other xsession? so? |
| 07:03.05 | hardcode | is there i quick way to buypass it? |
| 07:03.13 | hardcode | and not lose anything? |
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| 07:03.22 | WormFood | I used to work with a guy, who was religious about locking his screen, and making sure nobody could see his password....I told him I could get into his computer without his password...he didn't believe me...so I told him exactly what to type, to do that, and then told him how to fix it ;) |
| 07:03.35 | WormFood | yeah, I can kill your screen saver, and only that |
| 07:03.42 | hardcode | yeah |
| 07:03.48 | WormFood | or whatever else, since I can easily get a shell after you run startx |
| 07:03.50 | hardcode | i well only if i leave a login |
| 07:03.57 | WormFood | sorta |
| 07:04.00 | hardcode | not if i logout |
| 07:04.23 | hardcode | i had to do the clear;logout crap in linux |
| 07:04.34 | WormFood | right, because you run it in the background, and then logout |
| 07:04.54 | WormFood | so, I couldn't do that "trick" on you....but if you simply run "startx", I can get your shell |
| 07:05.08 | hardcode | depending on the .xinitrc |
| 07:05.25 | hardcode | i wonder the best secur way to put that into a script |
| 07:05.38 | hardcode | but it seems x11 is so full of holes its not worth asking |
| 07:05.41 | WormFood | another way to "fix" that, is instead of running it in the background, with "startx&", you could simply do an "exec startx" (but that does not put it into the background) |
| 07:05.44 | Kysh | Yeah basicaly. |
| 07:05.46 | Kysh | er.. basically. |
| 07:06.15 | WormFood | what I'm talking about is not an X11 issue |
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| 07:06.27 | hardcode | well either way i cant fix your laptop, but happy trails |
| 07:06.39 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestions anyways hardcode |
| 07:06.45 | hardcode | yeah.. sounds like fb or the brightness kernel module to me |
| 07:06.57 | hardcode | but without playing with the hardware and rebooting and recreating the problem i dont know |
| 07:07.05 | WormFood | it isn't a brightness issue...I've confirmed the brightness still works properly |
| 07:07.08 | hardcode | possibly could be a paused mplayer too |
| 07:07.20 | WormFood | I feel pretty confident I can recreate the problem |
| 07:07.36 | hardcode | well check if mplayer is foobaring the resolution |
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| 07:07.50 | hardcode | and i strongly suggest trunk since there hasnt been a release in like 3years |
| 07:08.03 | WormFood | no, mplayer was still playing...I was able to ssh in and kill it....and ctrl-alt-F1 stll puts me into the console...I can type commands there (I've verified it by looking at /dev/vcs1)...but no screen |
| 07:08.05 | hardcode | maybe only 1 =P but way to long |
| 07:08.19 | WormFood | I get regular mplayer updates |
| 07:08.27 | WormFood | I think it is from the dmm repo |
| 07:08.28 | hardcode | have you played with fbset |
| 07:08.32 | hardcode | or hold on |
| 07:08.33 | WormFood | not yet |
| 07:09.18 | hardcode | fbset i think is the one to dump system state |
| 07:09.30 | hardcode | i would see if it fubars the lcd settings somehow and stop it |
| 07:09.45 | WormFood | I don't have fbset installed, but installing now |
| 07:09.47 | nirazio | My skype mic doesnt work. Yet I go to voice recorder and it records??? Also does anyone have like a IM like yahoo or aim that I can talk to directly? I'd really appreciate being someone's wing man. I need to learn this stuff |
| 07:09.52 | hardcode | and i could be completely wrong about the command or it usefullness |
| 07:10.31 | hardcode | setup an xmpp server =) |
| 07:10.39 | WormFood | nirazio, you can get the mic to work in skype, but it is a BITCH....expect to spend countless hours until you actually do get it working....then expect it to randomly break (that has been my experience with it) |
| 07:10.58 | WormFood | or setup an asterisk server ;) |
| 07:11.07 | hardcode | you can open up a mixer and mute and unmute pcm? |
| 07:11.18 | hardcode | thats how i fix my linux sound crap all the time |
| 07:11.21 | hardcode | its always going out |
| 07:11.40 | hardcode | mic though sometimes you have to play with line in and capture volumes |
| 07:11.51 | hardcode | the whole thing i havent found much good documentation on since coming back |
| 07:11.58 | nirazio | any IM like yahoo or aim that I can talk to directly? |
| 07:12.11 | hardcode | i have a voip server for a reason |
| 07:12.18 | hardcode | im not sure i want to give you access to it |
| 07:12.24 | hardcode | i have enough hackers already |
| 07:12.54 | hardcode | but if i used im i would have helped =( |
| 07:13.32 | hardcode | ill be building an xmpp server to hook in soon.. i need to setup a way to actually get realtime notifications to me across the board |
| 07:13.45 | WormFood | "fbset" gives me this --> mode "1680x1050" \ geometry 1680 1050 1680 1050 32 \ timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 \ rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 \ endmode \ (lines terminated with \) |
| 07:13.59 | hardcode | your monitor can do that? |
| 07:14.01 | WormFood | sure |
| 07:14.07 | WormFood | my laptop is freaking awesome |
| 07:14.20 | hardcode | man.. the best lcd on any of my laptops is like 800x600 |
| 07:14.21 | WormFood | thinkpad, T60p widescreen |
| 07:14.41 | hardcode | yeah fbset is the wrong command =( |
| 07:15.13 | hardcode | you dont get an xterm using the crap in fbrun though right? |
| 07:15.28 | WormFood | it blew me away too....I searched for at least 2 hours at å强çµåä¸ç to find the laptop, and had no idea they went that high of a resolution |
| 07:15.49 | WormFood | don't know about fbrun...let me check it out |
| 07:16.21 | hardcode | but if its not coming up then fb is running its probably some kernel module.. there is nothing panicing in dmesg right? |
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| 07:17.22 | WormFood | yeah, nothing weird in dmesg |
| 07:17.29 | hardcode | ahh and the tool i was thinking about was vbetool |
| 07:17.32 | hardcode | not fbset |
| 07:17.42 | hardcode | i was trying forever to get fb to run like i wanted and still havent |
| 07:17.58 | hardcode | i want a terminal in like a 640 widescreen |
| 07:18.14 | hardcode | havnt found timings that worke yet |
| 07:18.24 | hardcode | i hate putting the monitor so close i can read small font |
| 07:19.10 | hardcode | vbetool might be what you need to get your sleep mode to work |
| 07:19.20 | hardcode | or hibernation |
| 07:19.22 | hardcode | lol |
| 07:19.26 | WormFood | hhhmmm |
| 07:19.30 | WormFood | my hibernate works |
| 07:19.35 | hardcode | oh =( |
| 07:19.52 | hardcode | im gonna go back to drinking |
| 07:20.02 | WormFood | my sleep works, except for the fact they wake up if you open the lid...and my lid switch is very sensitive (it wakes up when I put my laptop in my bag) |
| 07:20.09 | hardcode | but good luck with vbetool.. let me know if you find anything good in priv mesg |
| 07:20.23 | WormFood | ok hardcode, thanks for the suggestions |
| 07:20.39 | hardcode | have you used it before? does it come installed just fyi |
| 07:20.43 | hardcode | err fym |
| 07:20.45 | hardcode | err |
| 07:20.49 | hardcode | for my knowledge |
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| 07:21.10 | WormFood | I suspect that may do the trick |
| 07:21.33 | hardcode | i thought you said you couldnt hibernate on diskless |
| 07:22.01 | hardcode | anyways im so lost.. yeah.. that command is dangerous so good luck |
| 07:22.31 | WormFood | that was the other guy with the diskless stations |
| 07:22.50 | hardcode | lol i thought you were diskless |
| 07:22.55 | WormFood | I told him he couldn't hibernate without some form of storage |
| 07:23.10 | WormFood | he MAY be able to hibernate over the network |
| 07:23.27 | WormFood | in fact....that should work, if it is configured properly, but not 100% sure |
| 07:23.38 | hardcode | yeah .. i understand.. thanks for letting pretend i know what im talking about in some overflow channel |
| 07:26.02 | nutron | WormFood: yeah it works :) |
| 07:26.05 | nutron | just read about it |
| 07:26.14 | WormFood | cool |
| 07:26.16 | nutron | err, I just read about it |
| 07:26.28 | hardcode | nutron: i still think you both are ai testbots |
| 07:26.33 | WormFood | I was thinking about that, and there is no good reason it shouldn't work |
| 07:26.57 | nutron | hardcode: nice? |
| 07:27.02 | WormFood | it just needs some type of storage...as long as you can bring up the system enough to load the hibernate file, it should be ok |
| 07:27.07 | hardcode | WormFood: did you say something? |
| 07:27.24 | WormFood | about what? |
| 07:27.50 | nutron | WormFood: the only problem is the network, as long as it's up, the rest is the same. I don't remember which one gave me trouble though, it was probably hibernate. |
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| 08:05.57 | nirazio | I have a created a wireless connection from the main admin account and checked the box saying "Available to all users",everything is working correctly.I only need to prevent the Desktop Users from switching the connection to another one.How can I accomplish this? |
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| 08:15.04 | hacker_kid | i have a basic PPTP vpn setup which seems to work except after 1 disconnect i have to restart pptpd to connect again /var/log/messages from the start of the first (successful) connection to the end of the second (unsuccessful) connection http://pastebin.com/K8CwXjF2 |
| 08:16.10 | hacker_kid | how can this be corrected, and why does the remote address show as my router instead of the actual remote ip? (linksys router PPTP passthrough enabled and all ports forwarded) |
| 08:22.56 | WormFood | why are you using pptp instead of openvpn? |
| 08:23.41 | WormFood | lucky for me, none of my customers need to use pptp...so I'd set it up if they needed me to. |
| 08:24.27 | WormFood | the reason I don't like pptp is the fact it has security design issues, and is prone to different methods of attack. |
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| 08:25.32 | hacker_kid | wormfood, i would use openvpn because of the security issues with pptp |
| 08:25.48 | hacker_kid | but i need this vpn to be compatible with an unrooted android phone |
| 08:26.12 | WormFood | yeah, I figured it was something like that (also iphones) |
| 08:26.15 | hacker_kid | so my choices are pptp and l2pd over ipsec, pptp is far simpler and not such a pain client side |
| 08:27.00 | hacker_kid | if i could convince everyone to root their phones i wouldnt be mucking with pptp lol, but i have to and honestly i have never seen this before |
| 08:27.03 | WormFood | I'm guessing your problem is probably related to your router |
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| 08:27.30 | hacker_kid | yeah that was my guess, it has a couple other bugs so i guess it's off to the shooting range |
| 08:28.03 | hacker_kid | but im wondering how a router issue would make me restart pptpd after every session |
| 08:28.19 | WormFood | it is best to run the vpn ON the router...just setup your dsm modem as a bridge, and turn off all of its services (like dhcp), and connect it to your network (after you set the IP), then make a pppoe connection to it...and let the linux box be the router |
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| 08:28.54 | WormFood | I'm just speculating, because of the fact it reports the IP of the router |
| 08:29.35 | WormFood | you're using the port forwarding feature of your router? |
| 08:29.45 | hacker_kid | yes, all ports are forwarded |
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| 08:30.39 | WormFood | why forward everything? why not just put it directly on the internet, like I just described? (granted, this is not specific to your problem, but MAY help) |
| 08:31.45 | hacker_kid | i havent tried just bypassing the router altogether because the linux box is very old, i did try setting it to dmz but the router wouldnt do it (which makes me support the theory of a bad router) |
| 08:31.46 | WormFood | then that affords you other interesting possibilities, like running a transparent caching proxy (that is what I do, and it really helps a lot) |
| 08:32.03 | hacker_kid | if it was a decent box i would be doing exactly that |
| 08:32.15 | hacker_kid | it's an old HP NetServer |
| 08:32.19 | WormFood | nothing wrong with old, as long as it is stable |
| 08:32.35 | hacker_kid | stable but slow, it would drag the network to a crawl |
| 08:32.39 | WormFood | a good server? hell, even if it was old, if it was stable, I'd be putting that online as the router |
| 08:32.52 | hacker_kid | yeah i guess i can give it a shot |
| 08:32.56 | WormFood | unless your network is very fast, I doubt it would impact your performance in a negative way |
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| 08:33.41 | hacker_kid | i didnt quite understand what you meant about setting my dsm modem as a bridge though, what do you mean? |
| 08:34.00 | WormFood | in the past, I always had 2 network interfaces...and setup the dsl modem on one port, and the rest of the network on the other port, but as long as the modem is not responding to dhcp requests, and stuff like that, then it does not need to be on a separate card |
| 08:34.30 | WormFood | sometimes they configure the modem as a router, and sometimes they configure it as a bridge |
| 08:34.48 | hacker_kid | ah, im on cable and the modem is just a bridge |
| 08:34.51 | WormFood | when it is a bridge, it looks like it is not there...it is just a translator (if you want to think of it that way) |
| 08:35.12 | WormFood | if you have to configure your router with a username/password, then your modem is configured as a bridge already |
| 08:35.34 | hacker_kid | i dont think my router would support doing anything like that (closest it does to exposing a machine to the internet is dmz) |
| 08:35.53 | hacker_kid | i might have a spare nic around here somewhere and just take the router out of the loop |
| 08:36.05 | WormFood | you want to bypass your router for the internet connection |
| 08:36.14 | WormFood | what type of router do you have? |
| 08:36.22 | hacker_kid | linksys wrt something |
| 08:36.26 | WormFood | like a wrt-54g |
| 08:36.39 | WormFood | yeah, whatever...good stuff sometimes.... |
| 08:36.52 | WormFood | do you have to configure your router with the username/password of your internet connection? |
| 08:37.09 | hacker_kid | wrt120n, and no it's just an ethernet router |
| 08:37.33 | hacker_kid | the cable modem just passes one static ip so i needed it for nat |
| 08:37.36 | WormFood | still, an ethernet router can connect different ways on the internet port |
| 08:37.50 | WormFood | so, is it connecting via dhcp or via pppoe? |
| 08:37.58 | WormFood | login to your router and check |
| 08:38.15 | hacker_kid | neither, the addressing is staticly assigned |
| 08:38.50 | WormFood | so your router is configured with a static IP, that is a normal routable IP (not 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x, etc) |
| 08:38.55 | hacker_kid | ye- |
| 08:38.57 | hacker_kid | yes |
| 08:39.04 | WormFood | great...this is so easy |
| 08:39.13 | hacker_kid | oh? |
| 08:39.33 | WormFood | your router has 5 ports, right? 4 for the local network, and 1 for your internet, right? |
| 08:39.37 | hacker_kid | yes |
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| 08:40.16 | WormFood | login to your router, and make sure dhcp server is turned off |
| 08:40.31 | WormFood | can you login to your modem? |
| 08:40.36 | hacker_kid | it is, i keep everything static |
| 08:40.44 | hacker_kid | no, configured by the isp |
| 08:40.52 | WormFood | your modem has its own IP, like 192.168.x.x |
| 08:41.03 | hacker_kid | no |
| 08:41.29 | hacker_kid | just a bridge, it has a publically routable ip that is used as the gateway by my router |
| 08:41.31 | WormFood | sadly, my modem is also configured by my ISP, and I can't turn off my dhcp server...so with a little googling, I found an admin password, that would let me turn it off :D |
| 08:41.46 | hacker_kid | there isnt anything for me to login to, |
| 08:41.54 | WormFood | is this the system you're talking on now? |
| 08:42.15 | hacker_kid | no, another box on the network |
| 08:42.20 | WormFood | great |
| 08:42.29 | WormFood | is your router acting as a dhcp server? |
| 08:42.45 | hacker_kid | no |
| 08:42.49 | hacker_kid | everything is static |
| 08:42.56 | WormFood | oh...that is good |
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| 08:43.45 | WormFood | it is probably best to have it setup on 2 network cards |
| 08:44.03 | WormFood | one for the modem, and one for the internal network...but I expect you probably have 2 network ports on a server like that. |
| 08:44.12 | hacker_kid | yeah that's what i was thinking |
| 08:44.16 | hacker_kid | and no right now just one |
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| 08:44.37 | WormFood | it should also work on a single network connection, but you'd have to alias the network interface (do you know how to do that? I suspect you do) |
| 08:44.53 | hacker_kid | yeah i can alias an interface |
| 08:45.46 | WormFood | so, you configure your server to be on the static IP, and configure your machines to use that server as the default gateway, or take over the router's IP (you'd have to change the router's IP to do this, obviously) |
| 08:46.31 | WormFood | enable routing on the new linux gateway/firewall/router and setup iptables with dnat (no need for masquarade, unless you're on a dynamic connection) |
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| 08:46.50 | WormFood | and everything should be good to go...can't think of anything else |
| 08:47.12 | hacker_kid | yeah, lot more work than i hoped for but i think that is the only option |
| 08:47.25 | WormFood | it really isn't that much work |
| 08:47.43 | WormFood | just enable routing/dnat, and juggle your IPs a little |
| 08:48.08 | hacker_kid | yep, something for tomorrow, thanks for the help |
| 08:48.10 | WormFood | on a really really bad day, it might take a few hours...on a good day, it might take 10-15 minutes |
| 08:48.26 | WormFood | your welcome, hope that helps |
| 08:48.29 | hacker_kid | lol depends on if this old nic still works and this old box takes it |
| 08:49.44 | WormFood | I saw a network get hit by lightning once...it blew out the receiver in all the network cards, except one...the could all still transmit...fun to troubleshoot that one if you didn't expect the receiver to be blown on everything |
| 08:50.08 | hacker_kid | lol |
| 08:50.36 | WormFood | you can refer back to our conversation, if you get stuck with anything....and if that does not help, fee free to drop me a /msg |
| 08:50.45 | WormFood | feel free* |
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| 08:51.05 | hacker_kid | i've done all this before, just hadnt seen this particular pptp problem |
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| 08:51.21 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone! |
| 08:52.35 | mrkotfw | I think I'm going to have to move to Squeeze. |
| 08:52.46 | mrkotfw | Stable is too stale for me. |
| 08:53.25 | WormFood | "Stable" is a synonym for "Stale" |
| 08:53.57 | WormFood | Squeeze is frozen, so it is already stale :P |
| 08:55.03 | mrkotfw | True |
| 08:55.38 | WormFood | have you tried unstable? I mean, if you're good with Linux, and like things to break, then unstable is much more up-to-date |
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| 08:56.43 | mrkotfw | Well, |
| 08:56.58 | mrkotfw | I know what I'm doing -- but how bad can it get? |
| 08:57.09 | WormFood | then you may want to try it out |
| 08:57.18 | mrkotfw | What aspect will break? |
| 08:57.21 | mrkotfw | The packages? |
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| 08:57.28 | WormFood | hahaha....ANYTHING can break in sid |
| 08:57.39 | WormFood | or, should I say...."sid can break anything" ;) |
| 08:57.42 | mrkotfw | Interesting |
| 08:57.50 | mrkotfw | I'll stick with Squeeze |
| 08:57.51 | WormFood | but based on experience, it is not usually too bad |
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| 08:58.21 | WormFood | I run unstable on my laptop (until it died)....I think maybe I'll go back to sid on my new laptop too |
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| 08:58.35 | WormFood | it actually ran better than squeeze is doing for me at the moment |
| 08:58.42 | mrkotfw | Eh, screw it -- I'll go with Sid. |
| 08:58.52 | mrkotfw | How bad can it get? heh. |
| 08:58.59 | mrkotfw | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 08:59.02 | mrkotfw | It is! |
| 08:59.06 | WormFood | mrkotfw, the longer you wait to update, the more things will break...update frequently |
| 08:59.42 | mrkotfw | That makes sense |
| 08:59.45 | WormFood | there is no official sid installers....the "official debian way"(tm) of doing it, is to install stable or testing, then "upgrade" to sid |
| 09:00.06 | mrkotfw | Oh, interesting. |
| 09:00.25 | sarthe | damn risk-taking lunatics! |
| 09:00.27 | mrkotfw | So what will the images (from the FTP link) do then? |
| 09:00.33 | WormFood | so, you're not hobbled by the official boot CDs....so get a sid install if you want (if you want to install stable or testing, I suggest the unofficial CD, with firmware if you need it) |
| 09:00.59 | mrkotfw | I have a USB memstick... |
| 09:01.03 | WormFood | I don't know what ones you're talking about.... |
| 09:01.17 | WormFood | I've never installed debian off a usb memory stick |
| 09:01.19 | mrkotfw | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 09:01.23 | mrkotfw | boot.img.gz |
| 09:01.35 | WormFood | not sure |
| 09:01.38 | mrkotfw | OK |
| 09:01.50 | WormFood | I'd have to refer you to the docs on that one, if someone else can't tell you |
| 09:01.55 | mrkotfw | So as long as I update frequently, I'll be OK. |
| 09:02.00 | mrkotfw | I think it's the one to use. |
| 09:02.47 | WormFood | the thing with sid is...."expect it to break"....maybe it won't break...I don't want to make it sound like it is constantly breaking ,because that is not the case....but it does break, so be ready for it...usually it is nothing major |
| 09:03.17 | mrkotfw | Sure |
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| 09:03.46 | WormFood | the most annoying bug was when they broke the tab completion.....and for some reason, my mirror didn't update for a long time, so I was stuck at the broken version.....I changed mirrors and all was good |
| 09:04.16 | WormFood | many times when something breaks, it is fixed quickly....it isn't broken just for you |
| 09:04.33 | sarthe | thats a law of diminishing returns - the closer they get to a stable release, the less it breaks usually |
| 09:04.46 | sarthe | theyre pretty close now too, no? |
| 09:05.27 | WormFood | one time gthumb broke for me....wouldn't run for me, and a month later, it still wasn't fixed....on testing the problem, one day I ran it as root (I was not intending to, I run almost nothing as root), and it worked....turned out, I had to delete my config files, and it worked again....not sure if that was because of sid or not. |
| 09:08.19 | debianer | I want to write a stock tool,which language can I study? |
| 09:08.37 | mrkotfw | ...a stock tool? |
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| 09:08.45 | sarthe | c of course |
| 09:08.50 | mrkotfw | Eh |
| 09:08.58 | WormFood | I suggest assembly language...it will produce the fastest and smallest code, if written correctly |
| 09:09.19 | mrkotfw | debianer: You need to be more descriptive |
| 09:09.21 | sarthe | i hope youre joking WormFood |
| 09:09.24 | WormFood | sarthe, that was my first choice too |
| 09:09.42 | WormFood | I program in assembly language (but rarely for the PC, and never for Intel) |
| 09:10.01 | mrkotfw | RISC? |
| 09:10.11 | WormFood | 68000 |
| 09:10.13 | debianer | mrkotfw: I want to use the data in google finance,and write a opensource stock software |
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| 09:10.46 | debianer | WormFood: what is assembly language? |
| 09:10.49 | mrkotfw | debianer: Then you should be finding out what API is available to you for fetching the data from Google finance |
| 09:10.50 | vtts | debianer, python or perl would be a good choice |
| 09:10.54 | WormFood | debhelper, C is a universal language....maybe not the easiest to learn, but it will run almost anywhere, and is the basis for many other things (java and php both use a C syntax) |
| 09:11.13 | mrkotfw | debianer: That will determine which language you should use |
| 09:11.23 | mrkotfw | debianer: Also, aside from language -- there is more to it |
| 09:11.29 | mrkotfw | debianer: You need to learn data structures |
| 09:11.39 | mrkotfw | Guys, please don't lead him down the wrong path |
| 09:11.56 | mrkotfw | Boasting your favorite programming languages isn't helpful |
| 09:12.00 | WormFood | debhelper, assembly language is the lowest language you can program in....very hard to learn, and hard to work with (not really true, but most think that), but also extremely fast....also platform specific...an assembly language program written for an x86 cpu will not run on a PPC for example |
| 09:12.04 | sarthe | +1 to mrkotfw answer |
| 09:12.06 | debianer | mrkotfw: I will learn data structures |
| 09:12.18 | mrkotfw | debianer: Then you need to start with that |
| 09:12.25 | mrkotfw | Take some community college courses |
| 09:12.30 | mrkotfw | The shit is not easy |
| 09:12.30 | sarthe | by 'stock' i assumed 'system tool', but thats not a system tool, thats application level. |
| 09:12.35 | WormFood | debhelper, the simple truth is, there is no such thing as a "best language" |
| 09:12.55 | WormFood | sarthe, right away, I knew he was talking about stocks (like stock market) |
| 09:13.03 | sarthe | oh right.. heh |
| 09:13.07 | vtts | mrkotfw, API to web services are usualy are HTTP based, so unless there are some implementations available, language doesn't matter |
| 09:13.13 | sarthe | gets it now |
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| 09:13.29 | mrkotfw | vtts: I'm sure Google has an API already |
| 09:13.33 | mrkotfw | Either way |
| 09:13.35 | debianer | WormFood: yes,stock market |
| 09:13.41 | mrkotfw | debianer needs to learn data structures |
| 09:13.43 | mrkotfw | Seriously |
| 09:13.49 | mrkotfw | Theory first! |
| 09:13.53 | WormFood | however, if there are tools already that exists for manipulating your data, in a specific language, then that may be a good choice to learn |
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| 09:14.08 | WormFood | debhelper, do you know anything about programming? |
| 09:14.24 | vtts | mrkotfw, to have API != to have a preferrable language |
| 09:14.30 | WormFood | er, I mean, debianer |
| 09:14.46 | debianer | WormFood: I have learn C,but a little |
| 09:14.49 | mrkotfw | vtts: I agree, but it'd be easiest in his case |
| 09:14.59 | WormFood | vtts, there is no "preferrable language"...that is all personal preference |
| 09:15.01 | debianer | WormFood: and perl a little,and python a little |
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| 09:15.28 | WormFood | so, good...so you have some background....pick a language that you like, and ,learn what you need to know to do what you want to do |
| 09:15.54 | vtts | debianer, http://code.google.com/apis/gdata/docs/client-libraries.html |
| 09:15.58 | WormFood | perl and python MAY make it easier....but there are TONS of libraries for C |
| 09:16.02 | vtts | choose any of theese |
| 09:16.06 | debianer | vtts: what this |
| 09:16.41 | vtts | languages which have libraries to interact with google finance |
| 09:16.46 | sarthe | pretty slim choice :/ |
| 09:16.50 | WormFood | as crazy as it sounds, I'd probably write it in php |
| 09:17.03 | debianer | vtts: thank you,then I will select python |
| 09:17.17 | WormFood | no shit sarthe...I expected more from google...and objective-c and no other Cs shocked me |
| 09:17.19 | sarthe | usefully, only java and php |
| 09:17.29 | mrkotfw | I don't think anyone liked my suggestion to learn data structures |
| 09:17.43 | mrkotfw | Programming languages don't matter if you don't understand what a basic stack is |
| 09:17.53 | WormFood | mrkotfw, that is a basic thing he needs to learn to do what he needs to do anyways, and is independent of the language usually |
| 09:18.01 | mrkotfw | Right |
| 09:18.06 | sarthe | mrkotfw, its proprietry id guess... like you said, one can only choose from APIs available |
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| 09:18.14 | WormFood | no sarthe |
| 09:18.35 | WormFood | you can look at their code, and reverse engineer it, and write your own library for the language of your choice |
| 09:18.40 | mrkotfw | Given the fact that he's even asking about 'best' programming languages gives you a bit of insight into his skill level |
| 09:18.43 | mrkotfw | WormFood is right |
| 09:18.44 | WormFood | or even modify their code |
| 09:18.47 | sarthe | pro-pri-et-ry! |
| 09:19.00 | debianer | mrkotfw: I once learned data structures a little |
| 09:19.14 | mrkotfw | Like what? |
| 09:19.22 | WormFood | mrkotfw, he knows some programming, and is just looking for some guidance....but unfortunately this is a decision he has to make for himself. |
| 09:19.28 | mrkotfw | True |
| 09:19.53 | mrkotfw | I just want him to understand that having a firm grasp on theory is important |
| 09:20.01 | mrkotfw | him/her |
| 09:20.03 | WormFood | I agree with that too mrkotfw |
| 09:20.10 | mrkotfw | :-) |
| 09:20.29 | WormFood | come on...this is the #debian channel on IRC...I can bet there is a 99.99% chance it is a "him" ;) |
| 09:20.58 | sarthe | who cares? jesus |
| 09:21.01 | WormFood | yes, I have met all 3 of the women on IRC....but I heard there is a 4th one, but does not connect frequently |
| 09:21.36 | sarthe | hehe |
| 09:22.14 | WormFood | debianer, do you understand our answers to your question? It really isn't a question we can answer, the best we can do is provide some guidance to help you choose the best language for you. |
| 09:22.52 | WormFood | or...really...help you choose the best language for this task (different languages for different tasks, no one language is best for everything) |
| 09:23.18 | sarthe | i think hes already reading a book on chosen language... |
| 09:23.50 | debianer | WormFood: I konw,thank you. |
| 09:24.03 | WormFood | I personally think it would be best to invest some time into improving your C skills, since those skills can be used almost anywhere....but I don't think C is the best language for this task, because you'd have to make your own library to interface to google |
| 09:24.13 | debianer | WormFood: I will learn python first |
| 09:24.21 | sarthe | eugh |
| 09:24.32 | WormFood | if you have no interest in writing your own library, then I'd suggest python too |
| 09:25.23 | debianer | WormFood: can python can write my own libray ? |
| 09:25.28 | sarthe | if you intend to be a good programmer one day, dont do python. /opinion |
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| 09:27.27 | debianer | sarthe: I don't know select perl or python |
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| 09:28.08 | debianer | sarthe: if not perl and python,then what kind languge? |
| 09:28.14 | sarthe | perls not even in that list... whats wrong with java? its a nice learning language to get your head around all those data structs too |
| 09:28.38 | sarthe | as i said, php is also acceptable, but somewhat limited |
| 09:28.55 | dondelelcaro | debianer: the language doesn't really matter much. Once you learn one, you'll learn others |
| 09:29.02 | sarthe | not with python |
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| 09:29.16 | debianer | dondelelcaro: ok,I will python,then java |
| 09:29.17 | sarthe | thats the only reason im butting in - it makes bad habits |
| 09:29.27 | dondelelcaro | every language gives you bad habits |
| 09:29.38 | dondelelcaro | the trick is to recognize which bad habits those are, and work around them |
| 09:30.36 | debianer | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 09:30.47 | sarthe | true, and python doesnt even let you know theyre bad habits |
| 09:30.52 | dondelelcaro | almost every language excels at some tasks, and absolutely sucks at others; some languages suck at them all. |
| 09:31.07 | dondelelcaro | sarthe: almost no language does |
| 09:31.14 | sarthe | ada? :) |
| 09:31.41 | sarthe | even c does to a degree by complaining a little about typedefs. |
| 09:32.04 | dondelelcaro | typedefs is only one of the things you can do horribly wrong in C |
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| 09:32.14 | debianer | but I did not master a language |
| 09:32.20 | sarthe | anyway, i strongly recommend against python if you want to progress... if its temporary hack, fine |
| 09:32.48 | dondelelcaro | there are things that transcend the language you're coding in which are bad habits too, and those are far more important to recognize and fix |
| 09:32.50 | debianer | sarthe: what is temporary hack? |
| 09:33.03 | sarthe | debhelper, do you want to become a good programmer? |
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| 09:33.12 | sarthe | if not, its a temporary hack |
| 09:33.35 | shalok | Is there any way make squid cache .png's (not just sometimes, but always)? |
| 09:33.38 | dondelelcaro | anyway, this is not on topic here. |
| 09:34.00 | debianer | sarthe: I know |
| 09:34.10 | sarthe | shalok, hmm should do that by default? |
| 09:34.15 | dondelelcaro | shalok: it should be caching them any time they can be cached by default |
| 09:34.16 | shalok | sarthe, haha, I wish |
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| 09:35.32 | shalok | dondelelcaro, It doesn't seem to be. I added a refresh_pattern tag to the config, but access.log still reports TCP_MISS for the png whenever I reload www.google.com.au in my browser. |
| 09:36.49 | shalok | This is the tag fwiy: |
| 09:37.00 | chomwitt | in squeeze beta some times system freezes at boot up. today it freezed in the cups line. Now its running but in dmseg there is no cups line!! Can cups start only some times? |
| 09:37.03 | shalok | refresh_pattern -i png 1000 0% 1000 override-expire override-lastmod ignore-reload ignore-no-cache ignore-no-store ignore-must-revalidate ignore-private ignore-auth refresh_pattern -i png 1000 0% 1000 override-expire override-lastmod ignore-reload ignore-no-cache ignore-no-store ignore-must-revalidate ignore-private ignore-auth |
| 09:37.21 | shalok | Ok, that didn't quite come out right, but you get the idea. |
| 09:37.35 | dondelelcaro | shalok: Expires: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:37:19 GMT |
| 09:38.39 | dondelelcaro | shalok: so as you can see, it would be completely invalid to cache that |
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| 09:39.21 | shalok | dondelelcaro, Perhaps if I cared about complying with random standards... but as you can see from my tag, I don't. |
| 09:39.40 | shalok | dondelelcaro, I want png's cached *always*. |
| 09:41.58 | sfjkg | Morning. Ive got lenny on my toughbook, and when it starts up, the startup console can be any tty. Yesterday it was at tty3, today, its over at tty5. How do I ensure that the boot console is ALWAYS tty1? |
| 09:42.14 | sarthe | shalok, tbh, squid seems horribly broken. if ignore-no-cache doesnt work i dont know. |
| 09:43.29 | dondelelcaro | shalok: and it still does the same behavoir if you do refresh_pattern -i png$ 100 50% 100 override-expire? |
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| 09:43.46 | dondelelcaro | (since your current incarnation is just plain out wrong) |
| 09:44.00 | shalok | dondelelcaro, Yeah, epic fail at copy and paste. |
| 09:44.08 | shalok | dondelelcaro, I'll try your thing. |
| 09:44.51 | shalok | 1292665481.003 2037 127.0.0.1 TCP_MISS/200 30988 GET http://www.google.com.au/images/srpr/nav_logo27.png - DIRECT/66.102.11.104 image/png |
| 09:44.54 | dondelelcaro | shalok: no, I mean, your currently incarnation will cache for 1000 minutes anything with png in the URI. Like something_png.cgi?blah?blah |
| 09:45.12 | dondelelcaro | shalok: and the second time? |
| 09:45.32 | shalok | 1292665520.789 1779 127.0.0.1 TCP_MISS/200 30988 GET http://www.google.com.au/images/srpr/nav_logo27.png - DIRECT/66.102.11.104 image/png |
| 09:45.58 | dondelelcaro | hrm; not sure. #squid is over there if you want them |
| 09:46.06 | shalok | dondelelcaro, And yeah I know the regex is too permissive, but as you can probably tell I'm just trying to get it to work atm. |
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| 09:48.16 | solars | to change keyboard layout for xorg, do I have to do it manually or is there a helper? |
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| 09:49.08 | arpawolf | Hello. I'm running Debian Lenny and am new to Debian but not Linux- I have my system now set up the way I want with one exception - I really love chess and want to get the 'new' Pychess client to work- heres what I get when I attempt to install: http://pastebin.com/XhQxfqjA Anyone have any ideas how to solve this dependency without breaking any other dependencies? |
| 09:49.12 | Bushmills | some desktop environments have toolbar plugins for easily changing keymaps on-the-fly |
| 09:50.24 | mrothe | Hello, I have a small problem with a vServer I just purchased: Whenever I log in, I get an empty line before I see the normal PS1 string. This does not come from .bash_profile or .bashrc. When I put an "echo blah" in .bash_profile I first get an empty line and then the blah. Can anybody point me to files that being responsible for the stuff *before* .bash_profile? |
| 09:50.32 | sarthe | arpawolf, apt-get -f install; apt-get install pychess |
| 09:51.07 | Bushmills | ,versions python-support |
| 09:51.08 | judd | Package python-support on i386 -- etch: 0.5.6; lenny: 0.8.4lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.0.3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.10; sid: 1.0.11; experimental: 1.0.12 |
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| 09:51.41 | Bushmills | seems you need python-support from lenny-backports, or pychess from lenny |
| 09:51.47 | arpawolf | sarthe: the later will install an older version of pychess was hoping for the newest version of pychess |
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| 09:52.29 | Bushmills | !backports |
| 09:52.29 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:53.36 | luke123 | hi |
| 09:53.38 | sarthe | arpawolf, basically dont use dpkg, and see Bushmills ramblings. (do you really need the newest version? time to upgrade?) |
| 09:53.38 | acemi | ,versions pychess |
| 09:53.40 | judd | Package pychess on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.2-1; sid: 0.10~beta3-2; squeeze: 0.10~beta3-2 |
| 09:53.44 | sfjkg | Morning. Ive got lenny on my toughbook, and when it starts up, the startup console can be any tty. Yesterday it was at tty3, today, its over at tty5. How do I ensure that the boot console is ALWAYS tty1? |
| 09:53.51 | arpawolf | thanks will look into that ;) *thanks* for the info :) |
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| 09:55.05 | arpawolf | sarthe: yes, really do although I have eboard with crafty working, and I utilize and play alot on FICS the newest pychess ahs alot of good features. |
| 09:55.06 | Bushmills | unusual. try to execute chvt 1 from /etc/rc.local |
| 09:55.52 | luke123 | im using squeeze but since my last update some days ago ntp gets the wrong year (2000) time and day+month are correct |
| 09:56.25 | sarthe | might need ntpdate as well |
| 09:56.53 | sarthe | and a reboot/ntp restart |
| 09:57.26 | sfjkg | Bushmills: thanks, i'll give that a go |
| 09:57.28 | luke123 | thanks sarthe...ill try :-) |
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| 10:11.24 | luke123 | sarthe, thanks ntpdate works like a charme :-) |
| 10:11.32 | sarthe | yw |
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| 10:40.48 | zophy | will grub in the stable distro boot windows 7 ? |
| 10:41.26 | f8l | zophy: It should. |
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| 10:45.44 | delby | hi. i would like to do boot the installer for squeeze from my hard drive that already has debian installed on it and then replace the existing installation (my cd/dvd drive is bust). according to the manual i need vmlinuz and initrd.gz. where do i download it from? |
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| 10:46.37 | acemi | delby: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ for i386 |
| 10:48.12 | delby | thanks :) |
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| 11:13.32 | nirazio | I have a created a wireless connection from the main admin account and checked the box saying "Available to all users", everything is working correctly. I only need to prevent the Desktop Users from switching the connection to another one.How can I accomplish this? |
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| 11:16.56 | quitte | hi. is there some way i could find out how many levels of nat i'm behind? |
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| 11:30.01 | sfjkg | Morning peoples. I'm trying to compile the wireless drivers for my usb wifi, but its not working - I'm not quite sure how to get it to work, make is throwing out errors. http://pastebin.com/70WiXG2M How do I get this driver to work? |
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| 11:32.16 | ov3rmind | hi |
| 11:33.13 | sarthe | sfjkg, what does uname -a say? |
| 11:33.52 | sfjkg | Linux LOLLERSKATES 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 #1 SMP Wed Dec 1 20:32:28 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:34.27 | sarthe | and ls -l /lib/`uname-r`/build |
| 11:35.03 | sfjkg | -bash: uname-r: command not found |
| 11:35.04 | sfjkg | ls: cannot access /lib//build: No such file or directory |
| 11:35.28 | sarthe | oops, put a space there sorry |
| 11:35.32 | sfjkg | I've added a space |
| 11:35.33 | sarthe | and ls -l /lib/`uname -r`/build |
| 11:35.42 | sfjkg | ls: cannot access /lib/2.6.32-bpo.5-686/build: No such file or directory |
| 11:37.12 | sarthe | theres your problem at least. dont ask how to fix it |
| 11:37.15 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.22 | acemi | sfjkg: you may need /70WiXG2M How do I get this driver to â avacore |
| 11:37.40 | acemi | sfjkg: you may need linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:38.04 | sarthe | ah right, sorry, see qq |
| 11:38.32 | sfjkg | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2010-12-16 16:45 /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.5-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 11:39.50 | sarthe | oh! it needs to be 'make menuconfig'ed with your kernel options i think |
| 11:40.22 | sfjkg | I got the kernel from backports.org - would I be better off compiling my own kernel? |
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| 11:40.40 | sarthe | i would say so |
| 11:40.48 | sarthe | but thats not 'the debian way' |
| 11:41.05 | sfjkg | whats 'the debian way'? |
| 11:41.11 | xk | even make-kpkg? |
| 11:41.16 | sarthe | something to do with kpkg i think |
| 11:41.23 | sarthe | yeah that |
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| 11:42.18 | sfjkg | make-kpkg??? |
| 11:42.35 | xk | thats the debian way if you want to build your own kernel |
| 11:42.46 | xk | i usually use "make oldconfig", make my own changes, and build it with make-kpkg |
| 11:42.49 | sarthe | its complicated. if you dont care about 'the debian way' just do it normally |
| 11:43.08 | sfjkg | ohh. is there a n00b-proof guide? |
| 11:43.13 | sarthe | (i do it normally, never hurt yet) |
| 11:43.19 | xk | it's called following instructions :) |
| 11:43.28 | xk | and not rebuilding the distro kernel :) |
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| 11:45.10 | sfjkg | would http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch be a good guide to follow? |
| 11:46.05 | acemi | sfjkg: you don't need to compile a kernel, you need only the headers package |
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| 11:47.38 | sfjkg | acemi: linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 is already the newest version. |
| 11:47.51 | juniorsa | Hi, I would like to move my lenny amd64 system to a vmware box, my md partition is 200gb but I have reduced it down to 11GB of real data, can I shrink the md partition? |
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| 11:50.32 | acemi | sfjkg: so there is an other problem, i don't you need a custom compiled kernel |
| 11:51.44 | sfjkg | so how do I fix it then? lots of people are telling me different things and i'm getting very angry now. I could compile the drivers almost out of the box in ubuntu. |
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| 11:54.51 | frostschutz | juniorsa: mdadm --grow --size kb should be able to grow/shrink it. be careful not to shrink it too small (mdadm does not know the size requirement of underlying filesystem). if in doubt, make a backup |
| 11:55.13 | WormFood | is there a repo somewhere that has standard Linux kernels in it (ie. not modified by debian)? |
| 11:56.07 | juniorsa | frostschutz, do you know of a way to only transfer used data in a partition to migration my system to a vmware one? maybe there is a better way than shrinking the paritiion |
| 11:56.14 | WormFood | I'm having a problem, and it ONLY happens on debian...all other distros seems to work fine (this problem does not happen all the time, so I haven't ruled out a hardware issue, just trying to troubleshoot it now, and I suspect the problem may be in the kernel) |
| 11:57.56 | WormFood | juniorsa, there are different tools out there, that will resize partitions |
| 11:58.06 | WormFood | some are free, some are not. |
| 11:58.19 | juniorsa | WormFood, any free suggestions? |
| 11:58.38 | frostschutz | dunno if gparted resizes mds ... |
| 11:59.01 | WormFood | not sure what will resize mds....but I imagine something does. |
| 11:59.30 | frostschutz | mdadm does (but it doesn't take care of your filesytems and partitions while doing it so that's up to you) |
| 11:59.51 | frostschutz | if it's just about copying files somewhere, why not just use rsync or sth :) |
| 12:00.07 | WormFood | I usually Paragon Partition Manager (non-free)...they have a bootable CD that runs a linux version of their software (I'd like to extract it from their CD, and use it on a normal system, but they've done something 'funny' with it, and I haven't looked at it in detail yet) |
| 12:00.22 | frostschutz | I'd not use anything non-free with my linux data ;) |
| 12:00.59 | WormFood | frostschutz, so you like commercial software? |
| 12:01.42 | WormFood | most likely, you're using something that is non-free, somewhere in your system....of course, it depends on your definition of "Free" ;) |
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| 12:02.24 | WormFood | frostschutz, why use rsync to copy files that don't exist yet? It is great for syncing data, of course, but to just copy files, I feel there are better choices. |
| 12:04.21 | frostschutz | because rsync works, because it's resumable, and it supports all the quirks (hard links, sparse files, ...). It's the best copy tool I know... apart from dd of course ;) |
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| 12:42.04 | adv_ | when seeing youtube videos, i experience cuts and problematic audio playback |
| 12:42.13 | adv_ | not always though |
| 12:42.21 | adv_ | i'm using alsa, anyone knows why? |
| 12:42.44 | sarthe | lag? |
| 12:43.09 | adv_ | yes and it gets also stuck to a specific second |
| 12:43.16 | adv_ | which it plays over and over |
| 12:43.36 | sarthe | for how long? |
| 12:43.50 | adv_ | sarthe, the over and over is 1 sec |
| 12:44.05 | adv_ | like old LP disks and the needle being stuck |
| 12:44.33 | sarthe | sounds like plain ol lag... if the audio system doesnt get new data in time, itll just repeat the old bit |
| 12:44.47 | sarthe | i.e. your connection is too slow |
| 12:44.55 | adv_ | no it's not the connection |
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| 12:46.56 | sarthe | dunno then. cpu not fast enough to get the data into the audio device? could be anything |
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| 12:49.19 | adv_ | no it's a standard problem i have had it other times as well but dont remember how i fixed it |
| 12:49.26 | adv_ | im on a clean install |
| 12:50.07 | sarthe | maybe your sound device just sucks :) |
| 12:50.41 | adv_ | it's intel hda |
| 12:51.22 | sarthe | its a disk?... erm anyway intel couldnt make a sound device if someone did it for them. |
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| 12:52.06 | sarthe | my knowledge ends at "the audio data is not getting into the dma buffer fast enough" anyway |
| 12:52.27 | adv_ | lol |
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| 12:55.25 | qwd | adv_: we don't even know if you use Gnash or Adobe Flash. Anyway, I use the Firefox addon Easy Youtube Video Downloader to avoid these problems. |
| 12:55.55 | adv_ | flash |
| 12:56.10 | adv_ | qwd, and that's not really a solution |
| 12:56.20 | Jemt | Hi. Is it possible to do something like this to uninstall applications? apt-get purge $(dpkg --get-selections | grep -i evolution) ? |
| 12:56.24 | Jemt | Obviously it doesn't work |
| 12:56.49 | adv_ | also how can i get the real firefox? |
| 12:56.57 | adv_ | is there a deb pkg somewhere? |
| 12:57.11 | delby | hi. in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd the manual still refers to menu.lst but the new grub uses grub.cfg, which is very different to edit. is there a more up to date version of the manual? |
| 12:57.14 | Jemt | adv_: As fas as I remember, you can simply download Firefox and install it as is |
| 12:57.26 | Jemt | adv_: But why ? |
| 12:57.38 | adv_ | Jemt, cause i want latest firefox and not iceweasel |
| 12:57.57 | qwd | adv_: iceweasel = firefox |
| 12:58.00 | Jemt | adv_: Okay. Iceweasel IS firefox, just not the most recent |
| 12:58.22 | Jemt | adv_: If you keep Firefox, you get the advantage of receiving updates automatically though the updator |
| 12:58.28 | Jemt | keep iceweasel* |
| 12:59.28 | adv_ | hm |
| 12:59.50 | adv_ | Jemt, so i can do help->update on iceweasel? |
| 13:00.15 | Jemt | adv_: Not sure- but the updator in debian provides updates for Iceweasel |
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| 13:02.36 | adv_ | Jemt, but im using testing |
| 13:02.41 | adv_ | and i want latest ones |
| 13:02.47 | Jemt | adv_: Then install Firefox |
| 13:02.56 | adv_ | it's a bit of a fuss |
| 13:03.10 | adv_ | to position the proper binaries to the proper dirs |
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| 13:03.44 | Jemt | adv_: Firefox features an installer |
| 13:03.48 | Jemt | Just run it :) |
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| 13:04.34 | adv_ | how can i blacklist a module? |
| 13:05.18 | streuner | dpkg, tell adv_ -about blacklist |
| 13:08.05 | xk | hmm |
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| 13:08.26 | adv_ | Jemt, nope it doesn't :/ |
| 13:08.58 | Jemt | adv_: Oh, true. Well, simply extract Firefox into /opt/firefox and execute it from there |
| 13:09.03 | Jemt | Or in your home dir |
| 13:11.00 | streuner | adv_: besides, why do you think you have an advantage of the latest FF? |
| 13:11.17 | adv_ | streuner, updates |
| 13:11.25 | adv_ | security wise |
| 13:11.54 | streuner | so you running a destop machine and you are care much about security? |
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| 13:12.17 | adv_ | yes |
| 13:12.18 | streuner | (maybe somebody is able to steal all your pr0n) |
| 13:12.27 | Jemt | I sometimes too want the most recent version, mostly because of new features. Debian is always behind, so installing the official software releases should not be a problem really |
| 13:12.39 | Jemt | adv_: Again, the Debian folks make sure your Iceweasel is secure |
| 13:13.25 | Jemt | adv_: Install the official Firefox if you want new features. Stick with Iceweasel if it does what you want. It is secure enough |
| 13:13.34 | adv_ | ok thanks |
| 13:13.39 | Jemt | My pleasure |
| 13:14.10 | Jemt | But if you really do care about security, then consider the stable version of Debian |
| 13:14.16 | Jemt | Testing is... for testing |
| 13:14.38 | sarthe | Jemt, hmm youre an expert then. care to explain why, when i tried iceweasel 1/2 the graphics dont show up compared to galeon? |
| 13:14.55 | Jemt | sarthe: Nope, not an expert |
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| 13:15.17 | Jemt | sarthe: I've never expirenced that problem |
| 13:15.18 | kdeuser^ | Hey All |
| 13:15.19 | sarthe | iceweasel seems horribly broken or badly configured to me |
| 13:15.27 | Jemt | sarthe: Using stable ? |
| 13:15.31 | sarthe | yep |
| 13:15.31 | streuner | galeon was an expection, nowadays all browsers sucks |
| 13:15.40 | Jemt | sarthe: Then something is wrong on your side :) |
| 13:15.44 | sarthe | i dont 'do' testing/unstable |
| 13:15.52 | Jemt | wise |
| 13:15.57 | kdeuser^ | I have a thinkpad T21 and would like to install debian. But when booting it gets stuck at a stage when it says it tries to detect fd0 |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | streuner: exception ? |
| 13:16.12 | abrotman | kdeuser^: which installer are you using? |
| 13:16.28 | streuner | abrotman: you are right as as always :-) |
| 13:16.29 | kdeuser^ | But the laptop does not have a floppy disk. I have tried floppy=off and floppy.floppy=thinkpad |
| 13:16.35 | kdeuser^ | abrotman: text installer |
| 13:16.40 | abrotman | kdeuser^: lenny? squeezE? |
| 13:16.50 | kdeuser^ | abrotman: squeeze |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | kdeuser^: try expert mode? |
| 13:18.30 | kdeuser^ | abrotman: yes. Doesnt work |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | same issue ? |
| 13:18.43 | kdeuser^ | yes |
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| 13:20.32 | abrotman | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html .. but i don't see the one explicitly for floppy |
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| 13:22.27 | abrotman | kdeuser^: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.2 |
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| 13:23.36 | abrotman | kdeuser^: how long have you let it sit at that part? |
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| 13:26.18 | g0bl1n | hi, any advice on getting debian ami to use in amazon aws ec2 ? |
| 13:27.29 | kdeuser^ | abrotman: more than 15 mins |
| 13:27.37 | kdeuser^ | its still at that part |
| 13:27.46 | kdeuser^ | I have been trying a number of options since yesterday |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:28.33 | kdeuser^ | there are number of errors |
| 13:28.45 | kdeuser^ | one being attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 13:29.01 | kdeuser^ | fd0: rw=0 want=66 limit=8 |
| 13:29.27 | kdeuser^ | end_request: I/O error, dev fd0 sector 0 |
| 13:29.29 | abrotman | you might want to ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:30.24 | kdeuser^ | and thelast line says, isofs_fill_super: bread failed dev=fd0, iso_blknum=16, block=32 |
| 13:30.37 | kdeuser^ | abrotman: now it passed |
| 13:30.47 | kdeuser^ | it was trying to load a driver from the floppy |
| 13:30.54 | kdeuser^ | now it asks me for the hostname |
| 13:31.23 | abrotman | isn't that a good thing ? |
| 13:31.30 | kdeuser^ | Yes |
| 13:31.37 | kdeuser^ | But why more than 20 mins |
| 13:31.58 | makubi | Hey, I have read, that the script from Wulf Coulmann to unlock luks-partitions over ssh is not used anymore and that you should use 'README.remote.gz' to do that. I can't find that file on my debian-system (but on ubuntu I do), but there are other files. Which method should I use now to unlock via ssh? |
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| 13:32.11 | kdeuser^ | it doesnt have the network driver.. thats a bad thing |
| 13:32.17 | kdeuser^ | T21 only has ethernet |
| 13:33.32 | abrotman | tg3? |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/ |
| 13:35.05 | kdeuser^ | Hmm |
| 13:35.06 | kdeuser^ | ok |
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| 14:07.14 | Smiley | 9 stacks of gunpowder ;) |
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| 14:18.57 | octocpp | The IPsec stack in openBSD has backdoors made by the developers who were paid by the FBI ten years ago haha. Did you guys hear this craplol? |
| 14:19.06 | sfjkg | Hey guys, girls, and robots. What should I do whilst my kernel's compiling? |
| 14:19.29 | octocpp | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/12/fbi-accused-of-planting-backdoor-in-openbsd-ipsec-stack.ars |
| 14:19.56 | octocpp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.20 | vtts | octocpp, thanks, but this is old news, no nead to paste it all |
| 14:20.31 | phogg | octocpp: it's not clear that this is true |
| 14:21.07 | octocpp | ok, cool. I should have figured everyone would hav heard |
| 14:21.19 | Shadur | Yes. |
| 14:21.35 | octocpp | the other problem is this, how much does this happen to other code in Linux? |
| 14:22.10 | octocpp | I figure it happens in Microsoft all of the time, but in opensource this sucks lol |
| 14:22.21 | Shadur | Easy enough to find out. Download the source and start grepping for void create_fbi_mandated_backdoor() |
| 14:22.25 | phogg | octocpp: it's not very easy to do this without being noticed |
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| 14:22.51 | phogg | I'd be more worried about lesser-scrutinized code |
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| 14:23.22 | octocpp | phogg: but we are dealing with people who are trusted, yet paid to be a traitor |
| 14:23.37 | octocpp | what if the kernel gets bought out? lol |
| 14:23.43 | Shadur | octocpp: Open source is significantly safer from this because projects tend to be international efforts, and sooner or later /someone/ is going to post to the project's mailing list asking "Hey, I'm not sure this code in the latest patch is doing what it's said to be doing..." |
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| 14:24.16 | octocpp | hopefully people will be more cautioous and scrutinize the code that we have now i guess |
| 14:25.27 | octocpp | Shadur: true, it is safer, with Mac and MS, you are garanteed backdoors. THe whole OS is one large piece of spyware. At least in Linux, you have a chance at being secure :) |
| 14:25.28 | Shadur | Hopefully people will start demanding scrutiny on Microsoft code. Now please stop trolling. |
| 14:25.43 | octocpp | why do you think I am trolling? |
| 14:25.59 | abrotman | this channel is for Debian support .. take it somewhere else |
| 14:26.03 | octocpp | i guess it is off topic sorry |
| 14:26.04 | Shadur | Educated guess based on observable evidence. |
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| 14:26.08 | edwin_quijada | Hi |
| 14:26.27 | edwin_quijada | How can I mount a SATA disk to my server |
| 14:26.57 | edwin_quijada | this disk was in another machine but it broken and I need to get the info from this disk |
| 14:26.59 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 14:27.03 | nirazio | How can I prevent Desktop Users from accessing any online website? I tried 127.0.0.1 * in /etc/hosts but it didn't do the trick.Please note that I need to keep http://localhost fully functional. |
| 14:27.31 | abrotman | nirazio: why not do that on your internet router? |
| 14:28.06 | nirazio | abrotman: It's a PPPOE connection |
| 14:28.33 | abrotman | perhaps use iptables? |
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| 14:30.02 | vtts | edwin_quijada, just connect it to the server e.g. with stat<->usb connector |
| 14:31.03 | vtts | s/stat/sata/ |
| 14:31.03 | pythoned | Hi, I installed the ati drivers on my debian squeeze but they don't start. I have this problem for 4 days, and no luck trying to fix it. I even made a post on debian laptop mailing list. |
| 14:31.22 | pythoned | I don't get it, I am the only one using debian squeeze and ati? |
| 14:31.27 | edwin_quijada | vtts: but this disk was the fist disk in another system |
| 14:31.39 | edwin_quijada | what aboaut the password |
| 14:32.25 | vtts | what password, system or some kind of drive protection? |
| 14:33.23 | sarthe | pythoned, i use debian stable. nfi what stupid name they gave that. And ati. |
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| 14:34.26 | pythoned | sarthe: So any suggestions? |
| 14:34.53 | pythoned | sarthe: It's 4 days since I got it installed on my laptop but can't make ati drivers to work |
| 14:35.12 | sarthe | pythoned, i followed this and it worked: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
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| 14:35.37 | sarthe | but its specific to a computer and a chip, so ymmv |
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| 14:36.08 | MooseMorals | what's a good 'drop all ipv6 packets' iptables rule? |
| 14:36.32 | pythoned | sarthe: I have an ati hd4330 video card on my laptop. Will this guide work for me too? |
| 14:36.47 | vtts | MooseMorals, ip6tables -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 14:36.48 | sarthe | no idea |
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| 14:37.08 | pythoned | sarthe: Well thanks anyway. |
| 14:37.18 | MooseMorals | vtts, sweet, just what I needed, thanks |
| 14:38.05 | pythoned | I'll still be around if someone has an ati,is running debian squeeze and he's willing to help me out install my drivers aswell |
| 14:40.50 | Shadur | nirazio: Use iptables. There's even an option to select packets by user ID, so you can continue to use apt-get |
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| 14:41.48 | vtts | Shadur, -m owner |
| 14:42.07 | Shadur | vtts: Right, that's the one. |
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| 14:43.53 | Shadur | Probably easier to specify ALLOW http for owner root and block http for everyone else. |
| 14:44.38 | Shadur | or maybe owner root or the 'sys' group. |
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| 14:45.47 | blue_sky | I'm trying to install Debian on a MacMini. The only USB keyboard I have is a Mac one. I don't think the Alt key is recognised, Alt+F1 does not give me a console. I've only got as far as detecting the CD drive, which the install CD fails to do, so I want to check /dev. Any suggestions? |
| 14:47.40 | vtts | blue_sky, alt+f3 doesn't work either? |
| 14:48.00 | blue_sky | vtts: alt+f1 .. f12 don't work |
| 14:48.01 | sarthe | maybe alt is actually altgr for some reason? |
| 14:48.34 | sarthe | youre trying the left one of course? |
| 14:48.45 | xk | blue_sky: fn key + alt + f1 |
| 14:48.46 | blue_sky | sarthe: yes |
| 14:48.57 | blue_sky | xk: Will give it a try |
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| 14:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | the first question is powerpc or intel core... probably the latter |
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| 14:49.52 | blue_sky | xk: Yes! Thank you. |
| 14:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is a missing manpage a serious policy violation? |
| 14:51.52 | orion_X11 | I have set up dual boot (Debian & Windows), but now I just installed windows with vmware machine and I'd like to take windows away from dual boot and free space in my hd. But, I am afraid of doing it because I think that I will loose grub. How can I do that? |
| 14:52.57 | orion_X11 | do I have to reinstall all again with no dual boot? |
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| 14:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just make a new filesystem on the partition |
| 14:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | like.. mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb2 or whatever (make sure it's the correct one) |
| 14:54.59 | orion_X11 | do you mean the windows partition? |
| 14:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the one you wanted to delete, no? |
| 14:55.29 | orion_X11 | yes, and what about my grub? |
| 14:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what about it? |
| 14:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends a bit on what exactly you want to do |
| 14:56.00 | vtts | run "update-grub" after windows are gone |
| 14:56.48 | orion_X11 | Ok, thx for the help |
| 14:56.51 | orion_X11 | :) |
| 14:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but just changing from ntfs to ext3 shouldn't change anything and you can always run update-grub afterwards to re-write it (and you probably want to do that anyway after editing the grub-file and removing the windows entry) |
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| 14:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps time to figure out where you installed grub... |
| 14:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | MBR or boot-sector |
| 14:57.47 | orion_X11 | yes |
| 14:57.54 | orion_X11 | mbr |
| 14:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you don't touch that at all |
| 14:58.54 | orion_X11 | do you mean when taking windows away? |
| 14:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 14:59.05 | orion_X11 | ok |
| 14:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | making backups before wouldn't be a bad idea either |
| 14:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | just on general principles |
| 15:01.12 | orion_X11 | And how can I add that free space to my root and and to my /home aft-wards? Because my / is 100% full and my /home is nearly full up |
| 15:01.12 | blue_sky | MacMini install, next prob! Where's my CD drive? I'm looking under /dev/block and all I've got are ram0 .. ram15, no sign of a disk (/dev/hd or /dev/sd - as I remember them being) any ideas? |
| 15:01.38 | xk | blue_sky: /dev/scd0 ? |
| 15:01.58 | JPT | cddrive for s-ata goes to /dev/sr* |
| 15:02.10 | blue_sky | xk: not got one of those |
| 15:02.21 | xk | sr0? |
| 15:02.21 | abrotman | blue_sky: for reference, you might want to say if it's PPC or x86 |
| 15:02.33 | blue_sky | abrotman: intel |
| 15:02.36 | JPT | yup |
| 15:02.55 | blue_sky | JPT: got no /dev/sr either |
| 15:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I had asked that! |
| 15:02.59 | JPT | mh |
| 15:03.15 | JPT | then dmesg | grep -i cdrom |
| 15:03.19 | JPT | and watch for it |
| 15:03.49 | abrotman | tries to remind himself to file that other bug for his mini |
| 15:04.13 | blue_sky | JPT: no out put at all, I'm browsing through 'dmesg | more' for clues |
| 15:04.31 | orion_X11 | how can I save my talk here into a file? |
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| 15:04.36 | JPT | maybe your machine has a very special drive that needs a kernel module first |
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| 15:05.06 | abrotman | orion_X11: which client? |
| 15:05.24 | orion_X11 | xchat-gnome |
| 15:05.25 | blue_sky | JPT: Maybe, but Google was no help for that. Perhaps a live CD would be an idea, identify hardware and get drivers before installing |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | orion_X11: Window -> Save Text .. i believe |
| 15:06.06 | JPT | yeah... ask a working live cd where the drive is |
| 15:06.44 | orion_X11 | abrotman, yes |
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| 15:10.54 | blue_sky | hmmm, found two ide interfaces (ide0 and ide1) in dmesg, but no clues. OK, which live CD do people recommend? This hardware is v. new, latest generation mac mini. |
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| 15:11.49 | sarthe | i like knoppix despite the kde base |
| 15:12.25 | sarthe | i think it was the 1st as well, so... better developed |
| 15:12.43 | JPT | kanotix is nice, too... it's a knoppix fork with some more scripts |
| 15:12.58 | blue_sky | sarthe: that's the first one I remember. I'll check the dates of latest version. |
| 15:13.14 | blue_sky | JPT: Thanks, I'll check out how recent that is too. |
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| 15:15.32 | databridge | hello people |
| 15:15.46 | blue_sky | hello person |
| 15:15.52 | databridge | :) |
| 15:16.30 | databridge | when i search files in the filebrowser i cannot cut and move them |
| 15:16.36 | databridge | with ubuntu this works out of the box |
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| 15:18.02 | blue_sky | gnome, kde, windowmaker, fvwm, xfce, twm, etc... .? |
| 15:18.17 | databridge | gnome |
| 15:18.21 | databridge | standard installation |
| 15:18.31 | blue_sky | and, even, what are you browsing files with? Thunar? |
| 15:18.42 | databridge | when i browse it then i can cut them |
| 15:18.47 | databridge | but not in the search list |
| 15:21.18 | orion_X11 | abrotman, I mean my history, as to say, my questions and the answers in here :) |
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| 15:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought the file-browser thing is part of nautilus itself? |
| 15:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heard of thunar, even |
| 15:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, if it works in ubuntu but not in debian, I would compare versions of the software... |
| 15:25.18 | databridge | hm i try that |
| 15:25.30 | databridge | but i`m also using an older ubuntu |
| 15:26.02 | blue_sky | CutMeOwnThroat: http://thunar.xfce.org |
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| 15:28.08 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:28.38 | Posterdati | please how can I read voltages with ksensors on a smbus mobo (Asus M2N)? Tx |
| 15:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | databridge, lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:29.11 | sarthe | Posterdati, setup plain lmsensors 1st. |
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| 15:29.23 | sarthe | nevermind the gui garbage |
| 15:29.28 | Posterdati | sarthe: done, I've got correct temps for cores |
| 15:29.45 | sarthe | then i dont know. i hate kde :) |
| 15:30.42 | Posterdati | sarthe: I installed lmsensors and configured it via sensors-detect |
| 15:30.43 | sarthe | if it was written properly, it should just work (tm) |
| 15:31.30 | abrotman | orion_X11: right .. that's how i think you do it |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | looks at llimeht_ |
| 15:31.55 | Posterdati | 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2) |
| 15:32.25 | acemi | Posterdati: does it work from the commandline? |
| 15:32.46 | Posterdati | acemi: sensors returns temps only |
| 15:33.58 | databridge | dont know i`m not on it now |
| 15:34.08 | databridge | i think lenny |
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| 15:36.38 | sarthe | whats the name for 5.0.6? |
| 15:36.53 | acemi | lenny |
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| 15:37.25 | sarthe | thanks. curse the moron that decided on those stupid names. |
| 15:37.41 | databridge | lol |
| 15:38.14 | databridge | i also dont remember names of the distros, like ubuntu i`m using 9.10 but i forgot its name |
| 15:39.09 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to control CPU and system FAN speeds? I'd like to reduce them since my server is in a cool environment and I believe the fans can run at lower speed most of the time. I have the lm-sensors package installed. |
| 15:39.27 | arpawolf | is there a way to get python-rsvg for "Lenny" - doesn't look likes its available for "Lenny".. |
| 15:40.17 | sarthe | hid3, theres several, but it depends on your arch |
| 15:40.37 | hid3 | sarthe: it's i386 (P4 CPU) |
| 15:40.38 | acemi | judd: versions python-rsvg |
| 15:40.39 | judd | Package python-rsvg on i386 -- sid: 2.30.0-4; squeeze: 2.30.0-4 |
| 15:41.55 | sarthe | hid3 hmm maybe more important is the kind of smbus/motherboard sensors you have? find those out and then google. |
| 15:42.18 | hid3 | I know those. Probably jsut need to google then. |
| 15:42.22 | hid3 | Thanks, will try it.. |
| 15:42.36 | acemi | hid3: cpufrequtils can control the cpu speed but iirc there is a problem with p4 cpus |
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| 15:43.02 | hid3 | acemi: I don't want to alter the speed. I want to run it at full power but want to dim the CPU and System FANs |
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| 15:43.10 | hid3 | since I belive they're useless |
| 15:43.20 | hid3 | (the CPU & system temperature is 12-14 C) |
| 15:43.46 | orion_X11 | I have freed 11Gb (unallocated) and I'd like to add it to my / ( /dev/sda3 ) How can I do this using gparted? |
| 15:44.56 | sethrd | Anyone know of a good HOWTO on getting suspend to ram working on lid closure on a laptop? s2ram works perfectly well, but getting the system to suspend when lid is closed is not working. |
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| 15:45.28 | acemi | orion_X11: add it in /etc/fstab after creating a filesystem on it |
| 15:47.43 | gauravpaliwal | sethrd : system--> preferences --- Power management |
| 15:48.08 | sethrd | gauravpaliwal: Yeah, gnome-power-manager doesn't have any options listed. |
| 15:48.39 | sarthe | sethrd, kinda depends on your laptop... they all have their quirks |
| 15:48.52 | sarthe | since no one can seem to implement acpi properly |
| 15:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | acpi-support? |
| 15:49.10 | sarthe | yeah... find someone that sticks to specs :P |
| 15:49.12 | sethrd | I know. sadly, I can't find ANYTHING about this laptop and suspend online. |
| 15:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant the _package_ acpi-support |
| 15:49.33 | sarthe | well whats it called? |
| 15:49.36 | gauravpaliwal | @sethrd : which model and which vendor |
| 15:49.42 | sethrd | dell mini 10v |
| 15:49.54 | sethrd | and yes, I have the acpi-support package installed. |
| 15:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a package called guidance-power-manager... which has an applet that catches lid-closing events... seems to be part of kde, though |
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| 15:51.22 | sarthe | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Mini_10v may help |
| 15:52.02 | gauravpaliwal | sethrd : see this : http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug/browse_thread/thread/e5a155dec5d71d6d?pli=1 #acpi vendor lock |
| 15:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, shouldnt /etc/acpi/lid.sh be executed when the lid closes? |
| 15:52.21 | SPF | if you make a new partition, 5% of this partition is reserved for root, why? |
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| 15:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/README.Debian? |
| 15:53.35 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, it should be, but it isn't. |
| 15:53.37 | jelly-home | SPF: efficiency purposes (extra slack space is how Linux filesystems typically avoid fragmentation) |
| 15:53.44 | sethrd | I close lid, screen turns off. That's it. |
| 15:54.18 | SPF | jelly-home: if you use the partition only for data storage, is it advised to decrease this percentage? |
| 15:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, have you checked what lid.sh does? |
| 15:54.59 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: Of course I have, and looking over it, it SHOULD suspend. |
| 15:55.09 | jelly-home | SPF: if you're storing large files, or not care about some fragmentation, sure. 5% can be a lot with TB-sized filesystems. |
| 15:55.46 | SPF | jelly-home: indeed, that's why I'm asking. My new partition is 14TB |
| 15:56.31 | jelly-home | SPF: filesystem-specific tools can be used to change the reserved space size post-mkfs. tune2fs for ext2-ext4 |
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| 15:57.01 | SPF | jelly-home: I was thing about tune2fs -m 0 <- but I'm not sure if 0 is a good idea |
| 15:57.21 | SPF | *thinking |
| 15:57.25 | jelly-home | SPF: do you really plan to fill it up completely? |
| 15:57.59 | SPF | jelly-home: I hope not |
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| 15:58.27 | jelly-home | so leave off say 1%, or 50-100GB |
| 15:58.55 | SPF | my thoughts exactly. thanks for the tip |
| 15:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't see anything in there that look like suspend was intended |
| 15:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:59.44 | jelly-home | SPF: if it were a production filesystem with lots of writing, modifying and deleting, this would result in some performance degradation |
| 15:59.51 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: So the line that says -x /etc/acpi/sleep.sh doesn't look like suspend to you? |
| 16:00.19 | sethrd | Line 17. If LID-SLEEP = true then /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
| 16:00.27 | sarthe | jelly-home, what? reserved space doesnt affect performance |
| 16:00.46 | SPF | jelly-home: ok, in this case it's only storage for backups. So I think it's ok |
| 16:01.20 | sarthe | its only for when fsck blows up, and has somewhere to put the fragments. |
| 16:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right... in case you set LID_SLEEP to true in /etc/default/acpi-support |
| 16:01.47 | sethrd | Which is already done. |
| 16:01.48 | jelly-home | SPF: some (arguably buggy) filesystems used to have _permanent_ performance degradation after being filled up to brim, I've seen it happen on reiserfs filled to 93% and the performace loss was there even after we cleaned it back to 60% usage |
| 16:02.25 | sarthe | oh that... thats inherent with inode based systems. |
| 16:02.59 | jelly-home | like... ext3 |
| 16:03.07 | sarthe | nothing to do with -m |
| 16:04.02 | jelly-home | sarthe: you don't think the conservative default value of 5% mitigates the effect at all? |
| 16:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check if lid.sh isn't called or if sleep.sh just doesn't put it to sleep |
| 16:04.48 | sarthe | jelly-home, no |
| 16:05.18 | jelly-home | sarthe: what if it was 12%? |
| 16:06.01 | sarthe | jelly-home, if disk usage was close to (100 - 12), it would still be the same. |
| 16:06.04 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: How do I check to see if lid.sh is being called? As far as I can tell, it's not. |
| 16:06.20 | sarthe | reserved means exactly that... reserved |
| 16:06.56 | jelly-home | sarthe: it doesn't say which blocks are reserved, just the amount, so they can be allocated in a more efficient manner |
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| 16:07.56 | sarthe | jelly-home, true, but once theyre allocated by mkfs, they dont move. |
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| 16:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | put something like "echo >/tmp/blubb" somewhere at the beginning? |
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| 16:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | close lid, check for file |
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| 16:08.37 | sarthe | the point is, -m has nothing to do with speed, and on large disk, -m 1 is fine |
| 16:08.56 | sarthe | the default is kinda stupid after a point anyway |
| 16:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what should start that script, though |
| 16:09.46 | sarthe | has been for a while, but eh... it was written, so it shall remain. |
| 16:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... wonder if it can detect closing the lid at all... any dmesg-message on closing? |
| 16:11.17 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: From what I've read, HAL sees the lid close and passed the event to ACPID which then calls the appropriate script. |
| 16:11.17 | jelly-home | sarthe: I don't think there's any place that says "these exact blocks are reserved", just "after there's this many blocks allocated, allow allocation only for $RESERVED_UID" |
| 16:11.48 | sethrd | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, the system sees the lid close. acpi-listen sees the event, it just doesn't pass the lid closure along to call lid.sh |
| 16:11.58 | jelly-home | sarthe: the former would be quite silly, and yes, if it worked that way, then the amount would have no effect on performance |
| 16:12.27 | sarthe | jelly-home, you know how old the idea of this system is? :) |
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| 16:12.54 | jelly-home | sarthe: no, I know how my ext3 filesystems behave in practice. |
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| 16:14.57 | aderouineau | Hello. I am using kfreebsd and it seems ACL's are not working with ZFS. How come? Thanks. |
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| 16:16.26 | sethrd | aderouineau: You are using freeBSD but asking in debian? |
| 16:16.34 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 16:16.34 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. The kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 architectures will be released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:16.40 | sarthe | no! *k*freebsd! :) |
| 16:17.01 | sarthe | oh god |
| 16:17.07 | aderouineau | sarthe: it's still a debian distro |
| 16:17.07 | sethrd | Ah, missed the K part there. |
| 16:17.20 | sarthe | to my horror, i just learned |
| 16:17.32 | aderouineau | i'm sure if i go in freebsd chan and tell them it's kfreebsd, someone will say "you're using a debian distro and asking here?" lol |
| 16:17.49 | sarthe | yeah, so youre pretty screwed eh? |
| 16:17.54 | jelly-home | aderouineau: that's why dpkg above tells where's the channel for that arch. |
| 16:18.06 | aderouineau | thank you jelly |
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| 16:18.19 | aderouineau | except there's no one there xD |
| 16:18.29 | aderouineau | argh |
| 16:18.33 | aderouineau | it's on another network |
| 16:18.38 | aderouineau | oh why oh why |
| 16:18.40 | sarthe | whats wrong with normal freebsd? |
| 16:18.51 | jelly-home | aderouineau: yes, it's on irc.debian.org (OFTC) |
| 16:18.53 | aderouineau | sarthe: missing debian userland? ;) |
| 16:18.56 | dimitrios2008 | hi all. I am looking for a PHP/CSS/HTML editor. Any suggestions? |
| 16:19.10 | sarthe | err. forget i said that. itll probably start some kind of flamewar :( |
| 16:19.17 | sethrd | dimitrios2008: nano with syntax highlighting. |
| 16:19.45 | sarthe | bluefish also |
| 16:19.55 | jelly-home | sarthe: freebsd is very nice, except it's just not the topic in here |
| 16:20.23 | dimitrios2008 | sethrd: I have heard of bluefish before. I guess I will try both. Thx. |
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| 16:20.38 | sarthe | i actually hate bluefish, but... ok. heh |
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| 16:20.59 | sethrd | sarthe: Our names are too similar. People are getting us mixed up. |
| 16:21.11 | aderouineau | sarthe: it's probably for the same reason that debian devs decided to create that distro |
| 16:21.12 | sarthe | cest la vie |
| 16:21.44 | sarthe | sethrd, and i havent notice anyone doing it yet |
| 16:23.03 | dimitrios2008 | sethrd: appologies for the mix up. nano is a comand line editor, right? |
| 16:23.16 | aderouineau | dimitrios2008: yes |
| 16:24.39 | thinksteve | I would suggest vim with syntax highlighting |
| 16:25.02 | dimitrios2008 | thinksteve: another command line editor then? |
| 16:25.25 | thinksteve | Yeah, why not? |
| 16:26.00 | jelly-home | once you go vim, you never go back? |
| 16:26.31 | thinksteve | Uhoh, flamwar ahead ... |
| 16:26.34 | thinksteve | +e |
| 16:27.29 | jelly-home | well, if there's no real traffic, I think we're allowed |
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| 16:27.47 | dimitrios2008 | thinksteve: only because of the time needed to learn it. You see, my full time job is full of Microsoft rubbish GUIs etc and the whole debian/linux project is only something I do in the evening. |
| 16:27.48 | sarthe | where? *gets a deck chair* |
| 16:28.33 | itchi | dimitrios2008: i use vim for whatever, but cssed is cool to learn or have a little css reference as editor |
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| 16:29.14 | itchi | dimitrios2008: cssed is a little gui to write up css code |
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| 16:30.07 | dimitrios2008 | intchi, thinksteve: Ok then. I will give command line editors a try. See you in a few days with my comments. I put cssed on my list too. |
| 16:30.21 | thinksteve | dimitrios2008: You can have vim on your windows machines too, either gvim or vim via cygwin. |
| 16:31.42 | thinksteve | dimitrios2008: If you decide to give vim a try, don't forget to take the 'vimtutor' introduction. ;) |
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| 16:32.21 | dimitrios2008 | thinksteve: I will. thx |
| 16:32.23 | dimitrios2008 | see you all |
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| 16:32.29 | thinksteve | Have fun |
| 16:33.27 | sarthe | ... did you just introduce a windows user to vi? holy shit! |
| 16:33.51 | sarthe | agreeably no less |
| 16:34.11 | aderouineau | have any of you used zfs? |
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| 16:37.21 | jelly-home | sarthe: hey, there's that guy making vim bindings for MS Office and Visual Studio... |
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| 16:38.00 | jelly-home | http://www.viemu.com/ |
| 16:38.09 | thinksteve | sarthe: Nothing is impossible, just very improbable. ;) |
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| 16:39.29 | sarthe | you deserve a nobel peace prize |
| 16:39.45 | sarthe | or something. |
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| 16:40.37 | nirazio | can't connect to internet with noapic option..Can anyone help me??? |
| 16:41.28 | sarthe | what does noapic have to do with your network? |
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| 16:41.50 | hid3 | OK. I have configured 'fancontrol'. When I launch it, it dims the fan speed to minimum, but if I kill/stop it, it returns the CPU ran to the maximum speed of 4600 RPM. The normal CPU fan speed (after a clean reboot) is around 2100 RPM. How do I fix that? |
| 16:42.56 | sarthe | hid3, thats actually pretty cool, what motherboard is that? oh, and in answer to your question: work with it, and dont kill it |
| 16:42.56 | hid3 | I expect when the daemon quits, it shloud pass the Motherboard the control of fan speeds... |
| 16:43.10 | sarthe | well obviously it is.. |
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| 16:43.19 | hid3 | sarthe: it's a HP ML110 server |
| 16:43.29 | sarthe | ah. makes sense |
| 16:43.30 | hid3 | but I don't want to behave it like that! |
| 16:43.54 | sarthe | its designed like that so if your software blows up, it wont cook itself |
| 16:44.02 | hid3 | I need it to perform normal when daemon is not running |
| 16:44.10 | sarthe | id KILL for a system like that, frankly. |
| 16:44.13 | nirazio | sarthe: My system just hanged and when i restarted it i just got a black screen with a blinking cursor , googling it i found a solution which is passing noapic flag during boot .. that worked well but now i can't connect to the internet. |
| 16:44.17 | hid3 | stupid design then... |
| 16:44.38 | sarthe | exactly the opposite of stupid |
| 16:45.26 | hid3 | No! Ok, let's say I changed my mind and want to get rid of that feature/daemon. Why my CPU fan should run like crazy at full speed? |
| 16:45.35 | sarthe | but *sigh* so how do you want it to behave? |
| 16:45.42 | hid3 | It runs half of the full speed available under normal, mo/bo controlled operation |
| 16:46.53 | hid3 | sarthe: look. I power up the system. The CPU fan runs at around 2100 RPM (after OS boots, etc). This is normal fan speed. I run the fancontrol daemon and it dims the speed down to ~1100. Now if I stop/kill the daemon, the fan starts running at crazy 4600 RPM speed |
| 16:46.58 | hid3 | not sure what causes that |
| 16:47.17 | jelly-home | hid3: is it possible that the minimum speed is actually a good way to run it, and it would speed up if it needed to? |
| 16:47.29 | hid3 | I expect it to run at the same 2100 RPM when daemon is being killed/stopped |
| 16:47.34 | sarthe | perhaps the fact that the cpu has heated up so much the fan needs to catch up to cool it? |
| 16:47.42 | hid3 | No! |
| 16:47.49 | hid3 | CPU temperature hasn't even changed by a degree |
| 16:47.53 | sarthe | while you were screwing around slowing the fan down? |
| 16:47.59 | jelly-home | hid3: if it's not heated up, why do you want the fan to run faster? |
| 16:48.28 | sarthe | hid3, i would trust the fan sensor more than the temp one. |
| 16:49.16 | hid3 | lol. I don't want to run it faster. I want for the mo/bo to take control of the fan speed AFTER the 'fancontrol' daemon gets killed. Now it starts running at full speed after daemon kill... |
| 16:49.48 | jelly-home | hid3: there's a possibility that BIOS manages the fan (at 2100rpm) until the first time PWM controls are used, then it passes control to userspace with the expectation that the userspace tool will run forever. |
| 16:49.59 | sarthe | like i said, it probably is, but since you slowed it down, it now has to run at full tilt to catch up |
| 16:50.02 | hid3 | jelly-home: exactly! |
| 16:50.15 | jelly-home | hid3: so don't kill fancontrol. |
| 16:50.16 | hid3 | But I need to pass the control back to BIOS after the daemon is out |
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| 16:50.41 | jelly-home | hid3: that may not be possible at all |
| 16:51.02 | hid3 | that sucks :( |
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| 16:51.21 | jelly-home | or don't run fancontrol at all |
| 16:51.31 | manhunter | when would we get the final version of debian squeeze ? |
| 16:51.35 | jelly-home | !wir |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 16:51.38 | sarthe | its possible, my thinkpad does that, but the whole thing is stupid on a server. the fan should run at full tilt all the time. why youre worrying about it at all... |
| 16:52.01 | manhunter | when would we get the final version of debian squeeze ? which year , which month? |
| 16:52.11 | manhunter | any idea ? any guess ? |
| 16:52.18 | jelly-home | manhunter: when it's ready. There's no date. |
| 16:52.40 | hid3 | jelly-home: probably I won't run it at all |
| 16:52.41 | jelly-home | manhunter: if you really want guesses, /msg dpkg squeeze pool |
| 16:53.04 | manhunter | is disappointed |
| 16:53.32 | fbs | why do you need the final version? |
| 16:53.33 | jelly-home | manhunter: you haven't seen through many Debian releases, have you. It's always been "when it's ready" |
| 16:53.49 | fbs | just get a weekly build? |
| 16:53.55 | sarthe | hehe |
| 16:53.58 | hid3 | I already use squeeze |
| 16:53.59 | sarthe | obviously |
| 16:54.13 | hid3 | It's some kind of PITA to upgrade but it works when you set up everything |
| 16:54.15 | jelly-home | manhunter: if you want to take an educated guess, take a look at the RC bugs graph |
| 16:54.17 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 16:54.18 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 16:55.19 | manhunter | fbs , why not stable version ? |
| 16:55.27 | omid8bimo | hello. how can i mount the lvm partition while on live cd rescue mode? |
| 16:56.17 | fbs | manhunter: lenny is a bit old imo, and squeeze is fine for 24/7 |
| 16:57.08 | manhunter | fbs: stable squeeze version |
| 16:57.20 | manhunter | fbs: the final stable squeeze version |
| 16:57.30 | fbs | because its not done yet? |
| 16:57.35 | manhunter | jelly-home: when would it be ready? |
| 16:57.45 | itchi | Hi all. When i boot up the laptop the cpu is scalled down to 1.2Ghz, while it can go up to 2.1Ghz. To fix this i just need to run /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart and then it's back to it's full speed. During boot i see cpufreqd failed to start up. |
| 16:57.51 | itchi | Where should i start debuging? |
| 16:57.53 | Spurgeon | manhunter, it's ready when it's ready |
| 16:57.54 | Spurgeon | ;) |
| 16:58.03 | Spurgeon | that's debian's policy :) |
| 16:58.16 | sarthe | itchi, /etc/init.d/cpufreq i guess? |
| 16:58.43 | sarthe | itchi, maybe you need an rc link in whatever runlevel you boot to? |
| 16:59.09 | itchi | sarthe: Don't think so, it fail to start for whatever reason. It tells me in the console, so it tries to start |
| 16:59.21 | manhunter | no one can say the date/year/month to get stable squeeze , all say it's ready when it's ready |
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| 16:59.24 | sarthe | well why does it fail? |
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| 16:59.44 | sarthe | manhunter, YES, stop asking! |
| 16:59.49 | acemi | manhunter: 14 feb 2011 |
| 16:59.51 | itchi | sarthe: Well, i don't know yet, that's why i ask where i should start to debug ;) |
| 17:00.02 | sarthe | manhunter, 23 feb 1934 |
| 17:00.17 | Arrowmaster | manhunter: 29 feb 2011 |
| 17:00.21 | Spurgeon | manhunter, lenny was frozen for about half a year, before it became stable ... |
| 17:00.21 | manhunter | acemi: where did you get that date? |
| 17:00.34 | itchi | manhunter: It will be when it's ready :) |
| 17:00.40 | acemi | i feel it |
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| 17:00.44 | sarthe | itchi, look at that script... what command is it running? do a man <command> and see if theres a debugging option, etc |
| 17:01.13 | Spurgeon | manhunter, till then you can use testing, if you think lenny is to much outdated |
| 17:01.13 | itchi | sarthe: Once the system has booted up; i just run /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart and it's ok |
| 17:01.14 | manhunter | once i got such message that the squeeze will be ready March 2010 |
| 17:01.23 | sarthe | so you said |
| 17:01.25 | manhunter | but not 2010 DEC |
| 17:01.35 | manhunter | but now 2010 DEC |
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| 17:01.38 | itchi | sarthe: I think it's somehowe conflicting during the boot process |
| 17:02.05 | sarthe | itchi, a good assumption... now look at it, use some script fu... |
| 17:02.35 | Spurgeon | manhunter, till then you can use squeeze/testing, if you think lenny is to much outdated / and when you want bleeding edge, use unstable or ubuntu ;) |
| 17:02.56 | sarthe | if youre weak at it, thats ok, ask, but at least try to figure out what its running and why it fails |
| 17:02.56 | itchi | sarthe: I think it's related to these init boot re order Debian got |
| 17:03.04 | manhunter | i use squeeze already, b |
| 17:03.16 | Spurgeon | so, what's the problem? |
| 17:03.29 | manhunter | but just wanted to know |
| 17:03.36 | sarthe | itchi, also a possibility |
| 17:03.37 | manhunter | when would it be stable squeeze ? |
| 17:03.37 | Arrowmaster | itchi: the exact error on boot would help a lot |
| 17:03.50 | Arrowmaster | manhunter: 29 feb 2011 |
| 17:03.56 | itchi | Arrowmaster: The very classic on: FAILED :( |
| 17:04.03 | itchi | Arrowmaster: I don't have more yet :( |
| 17:04.22 | manhunter | Arrowmaster: where did you get that date? Once i got a date like March 2010 |
| 17:04.32 | manhunter | but now DEC 2010 |
| 17:04.38 | Spurgeon | manhunter, you will see when it's ready :) there's no release date set yet. |
| 17:04.41 | Arrowmaster | i made it up |
| 17:04.41 | itchi | or i should activate that hidden "bootlog" option |
| 17:04.45 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt even exist |
| 17:04.59 | itchi | !bootlog |
| 17:04.59 | dpkg | bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 17:05.13 | sarthe | itchi, /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:05.57 | Spurgeon | manhunter, http://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html look at squeeze |
| 17:06.06 | itchi | sarthe: There's nothing particular about it. Gona activate taht boolog and cross my finger :P |
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| 17:06.43 | itchi | brb, irc is running on another box |
| 17:06.57 | abrotman | Spurgeon: do NOT recommend that people use unstable |
| 17:07.04 | Arrowmaster | do you have cpufrequtils installed in addition to cpufreqd? |
| 17:07.05 | sarthe | dmesg| less |
| 17:07.06 | hid3 | Is it a good idea to run CPU fan at full speed once a week/month to ensure the dust gets blowed out (when using fancontrol to dim the speed)? |
| 17:07.29 | Spurgeon | abrotman, i know :) |
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| 17:07.37 | abrotman | but you did |
| 17:08.13 | manhunter | recommends everyone to use debian squeeze |
| 17:08.30 | manhunter | using the beta2 debian squeeze installer |
| 17:08.37 | sarthe | hid3, haha. you really have no idea what a cpu fan is for do you?! |
| 17:09.01 | hid3 | sarthe: Indeed. Why don't they use heatsinks nowadays? |
| 17:09.04 | Spurgeon | abrotman, aptosid is a nice sideway :) |
| 17:09.08 | sarthe | they do. |
| 17:09.20 | hid3 | but they attach a fan to each heatsink |
| 17:09.28 | abrotman | Spurgeon: This is #debian, non-debian distros are offtopic |
| 17:09.46 | sarthe | the fan is to cool them, because intel & friends have gone on MHz rampages and they now need fans to cool the sinks |
| 17:09.49 | nirazio | How do I reset nautilus to the default configuration? |
| 17:09.51 | manhunter | bye |
| 17:09.57 | jelly-home | Spurgeon: that includes derivatives unfortunately |
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| 17:10.07 | Arrowmaster | i doubt running the CPU fan at full speed is powerful enough to blow dust off of it that has already settled |
| 17:10.32 | hid3 | sarthe: they could have implemented a more sophisticated fan control algorythms too. Going 'green', saving a cent on electricity and so on, having those ideas in mind |
| 17:10.37 | hid3 | Everyone goes green today |
| 17:10.41 | cahoot | enough heat will burn it off? |
| 17:10.48 | hid3 | if you don't go green you're a looser |
| 17:11.12 | sarthe | hid3, if you want my opinion, they should have just stuck with speeds that were coolable by heatsinks alone, but eh. were stuck with it now. |
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| 17:11.36 | sarthe | the fan is now a vital part of it |
| 17:11.37 | Spurgeon | abrotman, jelly-home, aptosid is not a real derivative, it's just Sid, with the sid repos, but they keep track of the dangerous things like breaking pam etc. |
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| 17:11.47 | sarthe | so let it run at max, and forget about it |
| 17:11.50 | Arrowmaster | those speeds are extremely slow compared to current standards |
| 17:11.51 | jhutchins | suspects that hid3's knowledge of science and engineering is somewhat limited. |
| 17:11.53 | itchi | Arrowmaster: Yes, cpufrequtils is installed |
| 17:11.55 | abrotman | Spurgeon: it is NOT debian .. end of discussion |
| 17:12.05 | jelly-home | Spurgeon: it's a derivative. |
| 17:14.00 | bzed | actually aptosid is close enough to debian in germany that I wouldn't even mind to support it. the aptosid guys are really helpful and nice to work with |
| 17:14.35 | Spurgeon | :) i know, but abrotman and jelly-home don't feel that way :) |
| 17:14.40 | hid3 | jhutchins: indeed, I'm a policeman, not a scientist. |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | move along |
| 17:15.12 | sethrd | Swear to FSM, I'm going to throw this laptop through my window into my pool. |
| 17:15.50 | Spurgeon | sethrd, relax , take a deep breath... |
| 17:15.57 | Spurgeon | :) |
| 17:16.04 | sethrd | Goosefrabaaahhhhhhhh |
| 17:16.08 | Spurgeon | hahaha |
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| 17:16.45 | nirazio | How do I reset nautilus to the default configuration? |
| 17:17.06 | Spurgeon | i spend 3 hours on getting my scanner to work. i just put my comp off and tried again next day and it worked :) |
| 17:17.19 | sethrd | Really though, this is getting on my nerves. suspend works under Arch, but wireless doesn't. Wireless works under Debian, but suspend doesn't. Sadly, they BOTH work in a Win32 environment. |
| 17:17.25 | itchi | boolog wouldn't help much either: it just shows Sat Dec 18 18:08:09 2010: Starting CPU Frequency daemon: cpufreqd ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m |
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| 17:18.10 | Spurgeon | suspend as in, to ram ? to disk ? |
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| 17:18.24 | sethrd | I'll be happy with s2ram. |
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| 17:19.23 | sethrd | Let me rephrase the last sentence. s2ram works if issued from a terminal. However, lid close -> suspend does not work, and I can't figure out why. acpi-listen sees the lid close event, but doesn't pass off the event to be handled. |
| 17:20.04 | jelly-home | so you're actually having problems with acpi-support, then |
| 17:20.35 | sarthe | sethrd, thats surely a scripting problem in /etc/acpi/events/ then? |
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| 17:20.54 | sarthe | or whatever that dir is, i dont have a laptop handy |
| 17:21.37 | sethrd | I guess so. |
| 17:21.55 | Spurgeon | hmmz, strange, because it works on my laptop ... |
| 17:21.55 | jelly-home | sethrd: which debian release are you using? Pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 acpi\* | grep ^.i |
| 17:23.00 | Spurgeon | gotta eat... > see ya lter |
| 17:23.17 | sethrd | .....apparently I'm running sid now. Don't know when the (#*^&% the happened, since this was a fresh install of lenny last night.. |
| 17:24.22 | sethrd | http://pastebin.com/45xzCHLY for the output |
| 17:24.53 | peterrooney | sethrd: this is why the first thing i do during an install is double check the debconf prioriity |
| 17:25.19 | manu_hack | anyone using finch here? suddenly finch cant connect to msn these days, any pointer to this problem? |
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| 17:25.44 | sethrd | peterrooney: I won't lie, I have no idea what the means. I've been running Debain on my VPS for about a month now and loved it, so I figured I'd toss it on my laptop too. I'm still learning the "Debian way" of things. |
| 17:26.08 | abrotman | manu_hack: which version of Debian? /topic #pidgin might help |
| 17:26.20 | manu_hack | i'm on lenny btw |
| 17:26.22 | jelly-home | sethrd: yeah, it might be better if you could reproduce this on a lenny system, since sid is _used_ to find, report and fix bugs. Dunno, see if anything on http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend helps |
| 17:26.46 | sethrd | jelly-home: That wiki page is my home page. Hahaha. Nothing on there works. |
| 17:26.57 | sethrd | About to just get a squeeze image and start over. |
| 17:27.09 | jelly-home | good luck |
| 17:27.16 | peterrooney | sethrd: from versions, it -could- be squeeze |
| 17:27.30 | jelly-home | ,versions acpi-support |
| 17:27.31 | judd | Package acpi-support on i386 -- etch: 0.90-4; lenny: 0.109-11; squeeze: 0.137-5; sid: 0.138-4 |
| 17:27.37 | jelly-home | peterrooney: nope, it's sid all right |
| 17:27.47 | peterrooney | ,versions acpid |
| 17:27.48 | judd | Package acpid on i386 -- etch: 1.0.4-5etch2; etch-security: 1.0.4-5etch2; lenny: 1.0.8-1lenny2; lenny-security: 1.0.8-1lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.0.10-5~bpo50+1; sid: 1:2.0.7-1; squeeze: 1:2.0.7-1 |
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| 17:28.00 | sethrd | peterrooney: Looking over my sources.list, everything is set to sid. I'm going to KILL my room mate. |
| 17:28.09 | sethrd | Assuming it was him. |
| 17:28.13 | peterrooney | jelly-home: i sit corrected. |
| 17:28.24 | jelly-home | it was drunk_sethrd! |
| 17:28.34 | peterrooney | i cannot tell a lie, sethrd. it was -my- roommate. |
| 17:28.38 | sethrd | jelly-home: That guy is a prick! I HATE HIM! |
| 17:28.50 | abrotman | wonders why the roommate has root .. |
| 17:29.01 | sethrd | abrotman: sudo? |
| 17:29.07 | abrotman | wonders why the roommate has root .. |
| 17:29.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: physical access |
| 17:29.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes yes .. |
| 17:31.30 | peterrooney | sethrd: at the start of the install, choose the 'expert' option. when you finally get to the main menu, select "set debconf priority" and set to "low". more questions are asked of you. I recall a few years back I'd start with an etch CD and get a lenny system. (powerpc arch) |
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| 17:32.54 | peterrooney | peterrooney: personally, i didn't see how 'stable or testing?' was a question whose reasonable default answer is 'testing' |
| 17:33.13 | peterrooney | maybe s/is/was/ |
| 17:33.16 | Arrowmaster | was that after the lenny release? |
| 17:33.29 | xk | http://jon.oberheide.org/files/american-sign-language.c |
| 17:33.30 | xk | hmmm |
| 17:34.14 | Arrowmaster | because afaik the install media uses /stable/ instead of /codename/ so using an old installer will get you whatever the current stable is instead of what the installer was created for |
| 17:34.16 | peterrooney | Arrowmaster: 2008, so yeah |
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| 17:35.24 | jelly-home | xk: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2010-4347 |
| 17:35.28 | Arrowmaster | imho that should change if it hasnt already |
| 17:35.36 | sethrd | Back later. Wish me luck! |
| 17:35.47 | nirazio | How to open a remote python program from terminal by ssh? |
| 17:36.35 | pipeline | nirazio: ssh remotehost python remotepythonprogram.py |
| 17:36.59 | jelly-home | xk: esp. the note, "- linux-2.6 <not-affected> (Introduced in 2.6.33 and fixed in 2.6.36.2, we never released an affected kernel)" |
| 17:38.44 | nirazio | pipeline: I dont want to run.I want to open the python program.. |
| 17:39.02 | jelly-home | nirazio: what do you mean by "open", then? |
| 17:39.13 | sarthe | screen i think |
| 17:39.31 | jelly-home | nirazio: view the contents of that text file? edit the text file? |
| 17:39.36 | nirazio | jelly-home: I wanna view the program code |
| 17:39.50 | sarthe | less |
| 17:39.56 | nsadmin | of thepython interpreter? |
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| 17:40.23 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 17:40.42 | sarthe | whats that got to do with ssh? |
| 17:40.44 | stefan____ | hi, Im trying to upgrade to squeeze, but update/upgrade/dist-upgrade does nothing. there appear to be no new packages. any idea? |
| 17:40.50 | stefan____ | from lenny |
| 17:40.53 | cousin_mario | how can I find out why apt holds back certain packages? |
| 17:41.16 | abrotman | stefan____: did you aptitude update;apt-get update ? |
| 17:41.21 | nirazio | jelly-home: Wanna view |
| 17:41.24 | abrotman | cousin_mario: apt-cache policy foopkg .. might help |
| 17:41.24 | acemi | nirazio: ssh remotehost less remotepythonprogram.py |
| 17:41.25 | nsadmin | nirazio: if you have ssh access to a shell on the remote, you can either download it or read it in pretty much any way you could at your local shell |
| 17:41.41 | stefan____ | abrotman, apt-get, not aptitude, as recommended by the squeeze release notes |
| 17:41.49 | nsadmin | nirazio: having said that, you need some unix fundamentals training |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | stefan____: either one .. anyway .. what is the output of 'apt-cache policy' ? |
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| 17:42.21 | SuperAlekZ | hey, what's the command for changing the permissions for a folder, it's sub-directories and all the included files? |
| 17:42.36 | nsadmin | squeeze is not released... so the release notes are probably not completely done |
| 17:42.40 | cousin_mario | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/VJDHecN9 |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | SuperAlekZ: man chmod |
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| 17:43.23 | SuperAlekZ | ty abrotman |
| 17:43.25 | abrotman | cousin_mario: so if you `aptitude install bind9` .. what happens ? |
| 17:43.27 | stefan____ | abrotman, http://codepad.org/KcOmMmsj |
| 17:43.34 | jelly-home | cousin_mario: you will have to run a full-upgrade to get those. The security update has changed dependencies. |
| 17:43.37 | nirazio | acemi: Thankyou |
| 17:43.42 | cousin_mario | abrotman: I believe I uninstalled aptitude |
| 17:43.45 | acemi | np |
| 17:43.46 | abrotman | stefan____: -100 probably isn't what you want |
| 17:43.52 | abrotman | cousin_mario: apt-get .. whatever |
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| 17:44.04 | stefan____ | abrotman, no idea what -100 means, or apt-cache policy. never had to deal with it |
| 17:44.06 | abrotman | stefan____: you probably want to remove your pinning file and try again |
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| 17:44.24 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman: what does recursively mean? |
| 17:44.32 | cousin_mario | abrotman: appears to be working |
| 17:44.33 | abrotman | SuperAlekZ: dictionary.com |
| 17:44.44 | cousin_mario | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:44.50 | SuperAlekZ | 8) |
| 17:45.03 | jelly-home | cousin_mario: or what abrotman said. |
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| 17:45.17 | wmp | hi |
| 17:45.25 | cousin_mario | done! |
| 17:45.29 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman: alright read it, but what does that me concerning folders and files? |
| 17:45.45 | wmp | i want download debian relase from 1998, where i can found this? |
| 17:45.52 | abrotman | wmp: archive.debian.org |
| 17:45.54 | wmp | where can i found this ;) |
| 17:46.04 | jelly-home | on the internets! |
| 17:46.09 | nsadmin | <abrotman> wmp: archive.debian.org |
| 17:46.11 | SuperAlekZ | lol |
| 17:46.48 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ, study SICP... you'll learn what recursion is |
| 17:47.02 | cousin_mario | so, pardon me for asking, but are we likely looking at a january 2011 release date for squeeze? |
| 17:47.04 | wmp | what patch? I cant found ;) |
| 17:47.13 | nsadmin | study trees and how they are recursive... |
| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | cousin_mario: possibly maybe, with a 30% chance of snow |
| 17:47.27 | nsadmin | wmp: take more time |
| 17:47.33 | SuperAlekZ | :S |
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| 17:47.41 | cousin_mario | jelly-home: how is weather related? |
| 17:48.13 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: riiiight... so we're supposed to just give you answers you can find yourself... |
| 17:48.15 | jelly-home | cousin_mario: it's about as easy to predict as a Debian release date. |
| 17:48.20 | nsadmin | mmmhmmm. |
| 17:48.29 | cousin_mario | jelly-home: I see:) |
| 17:48.37 | sarthe | the hell you say |
| 17:48.48 | sarthe | weather is science based |
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| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | spock: you can't swear good enough... stop trying! |
| 17:49.48 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: english is not my native language, it's hard to understand words like recursive.. |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | so use translate.google.com |
| 17:50.03 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: oh, ok... what is your native language? |
| 17:50.29 | sarthe | SuperAlekZ, GNU stands for GNU is Not Unix. thats recursive |
| 17:50.41 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: in short, do you want for subdirectories and sub-sub-directories etc. to change or not? |
| 17:50.42 | acemi | SuperAlekZ: it means "apply the change to subfolder/files too" |
| 17:50.49 | cousin_mario | SuperAlekZ: beolingus suggests "rekursiv" |
| 17:50.53 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home: yep |
| 17:50.58 | SuperAlekZ | alright thanks guys |
| 17:51.35 | SuperAlekZ | german is native language, and yes i DID translate it, but the german dictionaries didn't explane how this is meant with files |
| 17:51.43 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ, does man chmod come to you in german? |
| 17:51.53 | SuperAlekZ | nope man chmod is in english |
| 17:51.58 | SuperAlekZ | my whole debian is in english of course |
| 17:52.10 | nsadmin | hmm. there should be translated pages |
| 17:52.20 | abrotman | uhm, if you don't speak english, why would you do that ? |
| 17:52.22 | sarthe | manpages-de or something |
| 17:53.15 | wmp | Can i have debian 1.3.1 (1997) in one floopy? |
| 17:53.21 | magicCarpet | Hi, I am trying to rebuild the squeeze kernel 2.6.32-29. When I run make deb-pkg, I get linix-image and linux-firmware-image -- this used to also produce linux-headers. |
| 17:53.24 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman: because i do it with every programm, you learn english better and faster and there's more docs on the internets in english |
| 17:53.24 | sarthe | and he does speak english anyway :P |
| 17:53.30 | SuperAlekZ | isn't that obvious? |
| 17:53.32 | sarthe | just not perfectly |
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| 17:53.36 | abrotman | sarthe: not even close |
| 17:53.47 | magicCarpet | How do I build linux-headers package ? |
| 17:53.48 | hipodilski | is there some kind of software in Linux that can reduce or fix noises in a sound stream? |
| 17:53.57 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: the file system folder structure is recursive. There's a folder with some files and folders in it, and each subfolder may have some files and sub-sub-folders... it's a tree structure, and a recursive algorithm is used to descend it (and do changes on it). chmod -R; /msg dpkg permissions |
| 17:53.58 | abrotman | magicCarpet: what is your kernel ? |
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| 17:54.01 | abrotman | hipodilski: audacity perhaps |
| 17:54.08 | wmp | I must mount partition from OS2 and copy files open network |
| 17:54.10 | peterrooney | hipodilski: audacity is a killer sound editor |
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| 17:54.18 | magicCarpet | 2.6.26 (lenny) kernel on the build machine |
| 17:54.36 | abrotman | magicCarpet: did you `aptitude search linux-headers` ? |
| 17:54.40 | SuperAlekZ | so if -R is the option for recursively then what is the whole syntax? is it "chmod -R rwxrwxrwx /folder ? |
| 17:54.41 | cousin_mario | SuperAlekZ: Ich habe 2145 deutsche Wörter gelernt: die sind alle hier, in meinem Arsch. |
| 17:54.46 | cousin_mario | <taps forehead> |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | english here |
| 17:54.58 | magicCarpet | I did a apt-get source linux-... |
| 17:54.58 | jelly-home | was? |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | SuperAlekZ: whatever you're doing with that command is likely *very* wrong |
| 17:55.14 | magicCarpet | and also searched on packages.debian.org |
| 17:55.22 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: not exactly, but you got the order correct |
| 17:55.27 | abrotman | magicCarpet: uname -r .. says what ? |
| 17:55.27 | star314 | Hi! Is there an unofficial repository providing security updates for Debian 4.0? The official support was canceled this summer and I don't want to upgrade (if it is not necessary) until 6.0 is released. |
| 17:55.32 | sarthe | cousin_mario, :O |
| 17:55.32 | cousin_mario | well, bye peeps |
| 17:55.38 | cousin_mario | sarthe: just a poor pun:P |
| 17:55.39 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: please read /msg dpkg permissions before doing anything potentially destructive. |
| 17:55.43 | magicCarpet | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:55.48 | abrotman | star314: no, you should not be using etch anymore |
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| 17:56.03 | sarthe | arschkopf. klar |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | magicCarpet: `aptitude update ; aptitude install linux-headers-amd64' |
| 17:56.04 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: anything with recursion on directories could be very damaging, so make sure you know what you're doing |
| 17:56.06 | SuperAlekZ | cousin_mario: what kind of silly sentence was that lol |
| 17:56.27 | sarthe | beats the hell out of me |
| 17:56.36 | magicCarpet | I am not trying to install linux-headers, I want to rebuild the package due to customization in the linux config |
| 17:56.46 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: in what way could it be damaging? |
| 17:56.48 | peterrooney | is there a standard, short method of saying `bounce on tab key until completion kicks in' ? |
| 17:56.55 | magicCarpet | I am trying to rebuild the linux-image and linux-headers with some custom config |
| 17:57.05 | nsadmin | you could change the permissions of everything in your system |
| 17:57.07 | jelly-home | magicCarpet: you want a custom kernel build? |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | magicCarpet: use kernel-package .. you can have it build both packages |
| 17:57.10 | magicCarpet | yes |
| 17:57.25 | magicCarpet | ah, kernel-package -- let me check |
| 17:57.27 | nsadmin | which you do NOT want to do, it will make your whole system not work |
| 17:57.40 | SuperAlekZ | alright, i get that hehe |
| 17:57.50 | jelly-home | magicCarpet: /msg dpkg kernel compile |
| 17:58.02 | SuperAlekZ | well i just want to change the permissions for that directory and it's subdirectories incl. files |
| 17:58.02 | star314 | abrotman: yes, I know but I'm still hoping that there is a way to skip the update until 6.0 is released, which is hopefully soon. |
| 17:58.12 | magicCarpet | I read the Debian Kernel Handbook section on building the kernel |
| 17:58.16 | abrotman | star314: you'll have to go through lenny anyway |
| 17:58.33 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ, I'd start by cd-ing inside the dir you want to start with first |
| 17:58.36 | jelly-home | star314: you're on your own at present time. |
| 17:58.56 | SuperAlekZ | the directory itself or one above that directory? |
| 17:59.35 | star314 | abrotman: This means that the whole system has to be reinstalled and reconfigured, a simple distupgrade won't work. That's the reason why I want to wait for 6.0. |
| 17:59.42 | star314 | ok, thanks for the info. |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | star314: no, it doesn't have to be reinstalled |
| 18:00.02 | abrotman | why won't a dist-upgrade work ? |
| 18:00.05 | magicCarpet | uh, kernel-package is just what I needed ... thanks, guys |
| 18:00.07 | jelly-home | star314: Debian doesn't support skipping releases so you'll have to do it in two steps, etch->lenny, then lenny->squeeze; then fix all the breakage |
| 18:00.26 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin |
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| 18:01.37 | star314 | abrotman, jelly-home: I'll do a complete new setup. I did a not of customizations (especially on the mailserver part) which will not through a simple upgrade. |
| 18:01.49 | star314 | will not work |
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| 18:02.12 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: I find it safest if I'm -in- the dir I want to start |
| 18:02.22 | nsadmin | then I can chmod -R whatever . |
| 18:02.32 | star314 | abrotman: So, it is much easier to do a complete new setup than upgrading and fixing stuff, IMHO. |
| 18:02.57 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: alright i'm in the dir :) what now? chmod -r rwxrwxrwx ? |
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| 18:03.10 | nsadmin | have you read man chmod? |
| 18:03.24 | nsadmin | I dunno what permissions you want |
| 18:03.35 | jelly-home | star314: gotcha. This is why I do my customizations inside the packaging system as much as possible (local backports; packages for third party software). |
| 18:03.49 | Azrael_- | wow, xen version 4.0.1 works just fine out of the box from squeeze! |
| 18:04.10 | nsadmin | Azrael_-, what kernel? |
| 18:04.32 | Azrael_- | 2.6.32.-5 |
| 18:04.32 | star314 | jelly-home: yes, but sometimes the structure of config files change through different program versions. |
| 18:04.52 | star314 | jelly-home: For example, syslog-ng. |
| 18:04.52 | SuperAlekZ | well the permissions i want are rwxrwxrwx hehe |
| 18:04.56 | jelly-home | star314: this is what I refer to as "fixing breakage" |
| 18:04.58 | Azrael_- | nsadmin: atm i run squeeze-xen in a lenny-xen 3.4.1 which i compiled myself from scratch |
| 18:05.22 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: it says no such directory or file :o |
| 18:05.32 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: so you want that on all dirs and all files? |
| 18:05.39 | SuperAlekZ | yep in this folder |
| 18:06.06 | nsadmin | (everyone: SHH!!) |
| 18:06.29 | SuperAlekZ | :D |
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| 18:06.41 | nsadmin | so you have to find out how to say rwxrwxrwx to chmod |
| 18:06.57 | star314 | jelly-home: I agree but I guess in my case time is on my site. :) It took me a lot of time to get postfix, cyrus, LDAP, etc. working. |
| 18:07.42 | star314 | If something breaks during the update it may be hard for me to recognize and fix the problem. |
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| 18:08.12 | SuperAlekZ | i think it's "chmod -r / rwxrwxrwx" |
| 18:08.19 | SuperAlekZ | but I'm scared to hit enter lol |
| 18:08.26 | star314 | jelly-home: So starting from a fresh install is maybe the better solution but I totally understand your point and would usually prefer this way. :) |
| 18:08.33 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:08.37 | star314 | s/this/your |
| 18:08.38 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ, what is /? |
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| 18:09.26 | nsadmin | right, do not hit enter on that, unless you want every file and dir on your system to change |
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| 18:16.31 | Azrael_- | nobody interested....nice |
| 18:16.53 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: hehe that's what i wasn't sure about |
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| 18:17.13 | SuperAlekZ | but when i just type "chmod -r rwxrwxrwx" in that folder it says "cannot access `rwxrwxrwx': No such file or directory" |
| 18:17.20 | nsadmin | so that does show that doing some basic learning would be useful to you |
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| 18:18.44 | SuperAlekZ | yea probably hehe |
| 18:18.49 | SuperAlekZ | so is it "." then? |
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| 18:21.31 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: would you mind to give me the proper command? :/ |
| 18:21.38 | sarthe | SuperAlekZ, a+rwx |
| 18:21.53 | SuperAlekZ | so this is what exactly sarthe ? |
| 18:22.00 | sarthe | and its not a folder, its a directory |
| 18:22.03 | nsadmin | all r all w all x |
| 18:22.23 | nsadmin | err |
| 18:22.38 | nsadmin | add r to all, add w to all, add x to all |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | anyone ask him which directory he wsa trying to change ? |
| 18:23.00 | sarthe | chmod a+rwx bla. its not add, it means set it. |
| 18:23.20 | nsadmin | = means set. + means add. - means take away. |
| 18:23.29 | sarthe | theres no binary operations |
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| 18:26.25 | nsadmin | sarthe: so a=rwx means -set- to rwx, while something like a=r means NO x, NO w, only r across the board |
| 18:26.54 | nsadmin | a+r means "leave w and x alone, turn on all r" |
| 18:27.33 | SuperAlekZ | oh got it |
| 18:27.39 | sarthe | whatever. = is useless. |
| 18:27.54 | SuperAlekZ | but why does "chmod -r a=rwx" still give me the same error? |
| 18:27.56 | SuperAlekZ | i'll try + |
| 18:28.11 | nsadmin | you did not speciry the place |
| 18:28.20 | abrotman | oh i know .. he could read the docs |
| 18:28.31 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman: thanks, i know that |
| 18:28.41 | abrotman | but you haven't |
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| 18:29.03 | SuperAlekZ | abrotman: not for chmod |
| 18:29.04 | cusco | hi |
| 18:29.19 | cusco | sox can't convert to mp3 because has no mp3 econding support |
| 18:29.22 | cusco | how can this be fixed' |
| 18:29.26 | cusco | sox soxio: Can't open output file `/tmp/1292689707.2306_214033833.mp3': SoX was compiled without MP3 encoding support |
| 18:29.28 | abrotman | !tell cusco about dmm |
| 18:29.33 | cusco | abrotman: I have dmm |
| 18:29.39 | nsadmin | sarthe: paragraph 4 in man chmod |
| 18:29.42 | abrotman | is there a lame enabled sox in there? |
| 18:29.52 | cusco | how do I check? |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | cusco: what is the original file ? |
| 18:30.32 | cusco | gsm |
| 18:30.39 | cusco | I can convert gsm to ogg |
| 18:30.54 | abrotman | you could use lame to convert ogg ot mp3 ? |
| 18:30.58 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: so according to the manual it would have to be "chmod -r a+rwx (or =) directory/sub/" ? |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | or gsm to mp3 directly using lame ? |
| 18:31.18 | cusco | abrotman: I have only libmp3lame0, do I need to install lame too? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | probably |
| 18:31.54 | cusco | can't convert anything to mp3 |
| 18:32.10 | cusco | but I should be able to use sox only with libmp3lame |
| 18:32.28 | cusco | sox |
| 18:32.29 | cusco | oops |
| 18:32.32 | cusco | there is a bug reported: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382275 |
| 18:32.47 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ, right, you have the order of the parameters and now also the specification of the permission bits right |
| 18:33.04 | nsadmin | what dir are you trying to do this to and why? |
| 18:33.13 | nsadmin | out of curiousity |
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| 18:36.13 | usn | good CET evening. Could somebody please give me a URI where I can download Debian Etch iso images from? |
| 18:36.17 | usn | Thanks in advance |
| 18:36.41 | abrotman | usn: archive.debian.org |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | usn: though etch is no longer supported and has known security issues |
| 18:37.24 | usn | Thanks, yes I know. I need it for an upgrade test |
| 18:38.30 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: it's a directory what is set to the home directory of an ftp-user |
| 18:38.42 | SuperAlekZ | and yes, usually i only use winscp :) |
| 18:39.04 | usn | abrotman, can you tell me where I can find the iso's there? I'm looking around, but I can only find packages. Am I blind? |
| 18:39.32 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: so you want anyone to be able to put files anywhere |
| 18:39.47 | nsadmin | well in that dir |
| 18:39.52 | nsadmin | and remove them |
| 18:39.59 | SuperAlekZ | well not anyone, but that user |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | usn: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r7/ .. sorry, there |
| 18:40.15 | usn | great, thanks a lot |
| 18:40.16 | nsadmin | hmm. just one user? |
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| 18:40.27 | logicry | hey, could you tell me how to change my sources.list if I need to install php 5.3? I can see only php 5.2.x |
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| 18:41.09 | SuperAlekZ | yep, but the owner of the folder should still remain the user "gameserver" |
| 18:41.45 | nsadmin | then you could tighten up your permissions on one of two ways, |
| 18:41.56 | nsadmin | one, you could have your user log in as gameserve3r |
| 18:41.58 | nsadmin | or |
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| 18:42.38 | nsadmin | you could put the files in a group that your user and gameserver are both members of, and add rwx to all dirs |
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| 18:44.38 | SuperAlekZ | well i don't want him to be able to log in as gameserver because this user has more directories that he owns |
| 18:44.42 | SuperAlekZ | like the other gameservers |
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| 18:46.05 | nsadmin | you could give him multiple logins (one per game server) or you could put all the dirs he owns into a group you make him a member of |
| 18:46.27 | nsadmin | well that's if you want to tighten up the permissions |
| 18:47.53 | nirazio | I knw abt fstab..But what is mtab?? |
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| 18:48.43 | ThePub | nirazio: "man mount", basically it's a list of "mounted" filesystems. |
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| 18:49.27 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: hm, what does it mean if i set "anyone" to rwx? |
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| 18:49.40 | acemi | nirazio: mtab is not a static file |
| 18:50.07 | nirazio | what is mtab then?? |
| 18:50.28 | ThePub | sighs |
| 18:50.35 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ means you're giving any user on that machine permission to do anything to the files/dirs |
| 18:50.37 | acemi | it's a file which you don't need to edit |
| 18:51.44 | SuperAlekZ | well that's okay, because only i have access to that machine |
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| 18:52.02 | Gijs | People help, my cron jobs are not working |
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| 18:52.33 | abrotman | Gijs: more info would be useful |
| 18:52.51 | Gijs | Well i just add my rules to the crontab but the cron is not executing those rules. |
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| 18:53.10 | vhuren | is there a quick way to rename a bunch of files in a directory and change add a prefix to their filename? |
| 18:53.24 | Gijs | i did this: http://pastebin.com/rbu4cX5M and added in that mail a mail thing so i could see if the cron works, but i am not getting any email |
| 18:53.33 | xk | rename s/^/prefix/ blah* |
| 18:53.34 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: it's only me (some users) and the person that is gonna use the ftp |
| 18:53.36 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.39 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:53.52 | jordanm | "rename" is not recommended |
| 18:54.03 | SuperAlekZ | hey jordanm |
| 18:54.05 | acemi | Gijs: grep -i cron /var/log/syslog |
| 18:54.05 | Gijs | abrotman? |
| 18:54.13 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: hi |
| 18:54.17 | Gijs | Dec 18 19:59:01 fr /USR/SBIN/CRON[22881]: (root) CMD (php /root/test.php) |
| 18:54.38 | jordanm | does test.php produce output? |
| 18:54.38 | Gijs | here i see it runs, is it possible it does not runs php in cron? |
| 18:54.44 | Gijs | no it doesn't |
| 18:54.45 | abrotman | full path? |
| 18:54.49 | xk | jordanm: why not? |
| 18:54.49 | jordanm | Gijs: then you don't get email |
| 18:55.16 | delby | hi. do i need xorg for openbox or will x11-common be enough? |
| 18:55.39 | Gijs | oke let me add echo "Cron Job!"; maybe that works |
| 18:55.44 | jordanm | xk: because "rename" in debian is not going to be the same as say, rename on solaris and will behave unexpectidly |
| 18:55.47 | jordanm | xk: rename(1) could be one of three or four different programs -- or you might not have it on your system. A loop or find expression that uses mv is safer. |
| 18:55.59 | xk | jordanm: we're debian :) |
| 18:56.01 | jordanm | xk: should be avoided for the same reasons you should avoid "killall" |
| 18:56.26 | Gijs | i still get no email |
| 18:56.41 | nsadmin | is nsadmin... not DebiAn... |
| 18:57.02 | xk | hmm |
| 18:57.39 | jordanm | xk: yes, but a portable solution does not take much more effort (and the user may learn more in the process) |
| 18:57.57 | xk | portable? I reckon it's less safer. |
| 18:58.08 | ThePub | (assuming terminating dir) find . -exec mv {} {}.ext \; |
| 18:58.12 | ThePub | or whatever |
| 18:58.42 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 18:58.51 | jordanm | ThePub: then you could end up with crap like foobar.jpg.png |
| 18:58.53 | acemi | delby: "aptitude show openbox" says that it has no dependencies to both |
| 18:59.00 | ThePub | (more simple) for f in *; do mv $f ${f}.ext; done |
| 18:59.10 | jordanm | ThePub: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/030 |
| 18:59.12 | ThePub | jordanm: read the statement above, he wanted to "add an extension" |
| 18:59.25 | jordanm | ah, that does make things easiler :) |
| 18:59.46 | ThePub | jordanm: with such a simple statement we cannot assume we're doing surgery, we're just "adding" |
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| 19:00.36 | Gijs | jordanm? |
| 19:00.51 | jordanm | no idea and my lunch break is over |
| 19:01.59 | ThePub | vhuren: are there spaces in the names of the files? |
| 19:02.42 | acemi | Gijs: maybe smtp log gives more info |
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| 19:18.27 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:18.34 | lenswipe | im installing netbeans |
| 19:18.39 | lenswipe | i want to install it for all users |
| 19:18.44 | lenswipe | what folder do i install it to |
| 19:19.10 | lenswipe | nevermind |
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| 19:32.19 | pinkisntwell | i've been using the nvidia driver for a while now, but i want to go back to nv. i tried changing the driver to "nv" in xorg.conf but when i do that X does not start. how can i go back to nv? |
| 19:33.07 | Arrowmaster | jordanm: speaking of rename, it doesnt even work properly on debian |
| 19:34.33 | itchi | pinkisntwell: Check the xorg.log for more info?? |
| 19:35.13 | itchi | pinkisntwell: Usually here, when a kernel update happen, it automatically fall back to the default nv driver |
| 19:35.42 | Arrowmaster | mine doesnt do that |
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| 19:36.38 | itchi | Do you use multiples nicks? Get lost here :D |
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| 19:37.29 | Arrowmaster | me? no |
| 19:37.57 | pinkisntwell | itchi: i can't find any reference to nv in the log |
| 19:38.10 | pinkisntwell | itchi: oh wait |
| 19:38.11 | itchi | hmm ok |
| 19:38.25 | itchi | pinkisntwell: or post your whole log so people can check and try to help |
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| 19:39.44 | nirazio | when I open a program from my local account using terminal, it works. FOr example, I type "firefox"...firefox pops up. Then when I ssh into my remote account, I type "firefox" nothing happens. What is the problem? |
| 19:39.56 | pinkisntwell | itchi: i found it. it loads the driver, it prints a very long list of supported devices and then says: "no device detected. fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 19:40.09 | fbs | nirazio: is the path right? |
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| 19:40.20 | itchi | pinkisntwell: Oh, you miss a screen section probably |
| 19:40.42 | Arrowmaster | nirazio: is X tunneling enabled for your ssh session? |
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| 19:41.03 | pinkisntwell | itchi: no i have a screen section. on another note, why does it work with the nvidia driver? |
| 19:41.24 | itchi | pinkisntwell: maybe due the black magic of nvidia |
| 19:41.42 | pinkisntwell | itchi: any suggestions? |
| 19:42.01 | itchi | pinkisntwell: nvidia can do some weird tricks which aren't always liked by the pure debian geeks :D |
| 19:42.12 | itchi | pinkisntwell: post your xorg.conf to be sure |
| 19:43.38 | nirazio | Arrowmaster: How to check it??? |
| 19:43.49 | itchi | pinkisntwell: If you want that's mine: http://pastebin.ca/2023026 |
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| 19:46.07 | Arrowmaster | nirazio: try using ssh -X |
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| 19:47.00 | itchi | pinkisntwell: Mine just works with nv or nvidia. Well, no 3D with nv heh :D |
| 19:47.27 | itchi | yah, just need it for Blender stuff otherwise i had burned all into hell |
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| 19:47.56 | nirazio | Arrowmaster: typed using X option but nothing happened |
| 19:48.00 | aarcane | how do I tell dpkg or aptitude (preferably everyone involved) that a package that it thinks is only "half-configured" is ineed properly installed, fully configured, and up to date? (Due to manual changed to the config files, it fails durring moving config file replacements around, and for once I am 100% certain I'm smarter than aptitude in this case) |
| 19:49.01 | Arrowmaster | nirazio: what does `echo $DISPLAY` print when you run it in your ssh session? |
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| 20:03.12 | Descra | Hi, how is ia64 nowadays? I tested long time ago and some apps didn't exist in ia64 |
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| 20:04.30 | Descra | i dont know the reason, a 32 bit app can run in ia64 but in debian repositories there was not openoffice |
| 20:04.46 | Descra | for example |
| 20:04.47 | xk | who uses ia64? |
| 20:05.15 | xk | who uses openoffice on itanium? :> |
| 20:05.16 | Descra | xk: if you got more than 4 Gb of ram you need ia64, no? |
| 20:05.33 | Descra | xk: sorry i am a little beginner |
| 20:05.40 | xk | ia64 => itanium |
| 20:06.01 | ggggbabybabybaby | do they even make itanium chips anymore |
| 20:06.01 | Descra | xk: ok |
| 20:06.17 | xk | amd64 => ia32 with 64 bit extensions. |
| 20:06.34 | Descra | xk: for amd, but for intel? |
| 20:06.39 | xk | yes |
| 20:06.51 | Descra | oh! amd64 is for intel too? |
| 20:06.52 | xk | amd designed it. |
| 20:06.53 | ggggbabybabybaby | intel uses amd64 |
| 20:07.10 | xk | so it was consensus to label it amd, just like intel for ia32 |
| 20:07.21 | ggggbabybabybaby | ia = intel architecture |
| 20:07.40 | Descra | ggggbabybabybaby: sure? the word amd64 seems to match only amd |
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| 20:08.08 | ggggbabybabybaby | Descra: Yes. |
| 20:08.12 | ggggbabybabybaby | I'm pretty sure. |
| 20:08.24 | Descra | ph ok tanks |
| 20:08.35 | Descra | thanks* |
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| 20:08.57 | xk | if I remember, x86_64 was debated... but amd64 was chosen to give amd recognition |
| 20:10.20 | aarcane | amd64 run on intel processors, ia64 is a different, archaic architecture that's seldom used outside of the enterprise datacenter |
| 20:10.28 | ggggbabybabybaby | <ggggbabybabybaby> do they even make itanium chips anymore |
| 20:10.32 | ggggbabybabybaby | Do they? |
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| 20:10.46 | aarcane | they do |
| 20:11.07 | xk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png |
| 20:11.17 | xk | look at the graph! |
| 20:11.17 | pipeline | ggggbabybabybaby: they're actually working on a new generation, a 2nd microarch |
| 20:11.43 | ggggbabybabybaby | again? isn't that going to fail, or have they made it 100% x86 compatible |
| 20:11.52 | pipeline | ggggbabybabybaby: it's really only used for hp-ux and openvms |
| 20:12.03 | pipeline | ggggbabybabybaby: high margin, low volume |
| 20:14.25 | aarcane | I remember when IA64 came out, I was all excited about the advent of 64 bit processing.. |
| 20:15.08 | aarcane | then like 5 years later, AMD64 came out, and it FINALLY became available, and nearly ten years after the original release, it's only just now becoming mainstream. |
| 20:17.30 | aarcane | so, does anyone here know how to tell dpkg to move a package from half-configured to installed? |
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| 20:18.56 | xk | aarcane: edit the postinst script? edit the status file? |
| 20:19.38 | nirazio | what this command do "compiz --replace" |
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| 20:20.10 | logicry | !dpkg |
| 20:20.10 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 20:20.12 | aarcane | xk, I tried editing aptitude's status file, but it just said it was wrong, and gave me more errors. |
| 20:20.20 | logicry | !dpkg contrib |
| 20:20.20 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 20:21.37 | xk | aarcane: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 20:24.40 | aarcane | okay, I've got the file open to the right section, how do I make it acknowledge that it's installed (changing half-configured to installed simply results in an error message whenever running aptitude. |
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| 20:25.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 20:26.33 | johnfg | If I want to add fonts, do I just make a .fonts directory in under /home/<user> and put them there? |
| 20:28.05 | aarcane | hrrm, it works now. I did it 10 minutes ago and it just gave error messages :-S |
| 20:30.09 | nirazio | I need to run .exe files on my Vista partition but I can't give them the right permissions so i need a way of auto mounting with the full permissions in order to run any files I need otherwise I have to manually mount it each time I need it. |
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| 20:52.51 | jauiwojau | I'm trying to install lenny on a lenovo thinkpad X201 (with netinstall). Unfortunately it states: no ethernet card found. Even when I select the right driver manually (that is the e1000e for the Intel 82755LM NIC on the Thinkpad X201) from the drivers list manually, it continues to state no card was found. Any ideas to solve this? |
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| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | jauiwojau: try an installer with updated kernel -- /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 20:59.00 | jauiwojau | jelly-home: Thanks for you response. You mean I have to do that ('/msg ...)? |
| 20:59.29 | jelly-home | jauiwojau: yes, then dpkg (the bot) will respond will some possibly helpful line |
| 20:59.34 | CissWit | dpkg tell jauiwojau about kmuto |
| 20:59.51 | jauiwojau | :-) Thanks |
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| 21:00.43 | darkkrai | how do I mount an external usb harddrive? |
| 21:00.47 | darkkrai | I'm having some trouble |
| 21:01.07 | itchi | Cool, i have finally fixed my cpufreqd startup issue. Had need to edit /etc/default/cpufreqd and specify: CPUFREQ_CPU_MODULE="acpi_cpufreq" (the acpi_cpufreq to load for my cpu) |
| 21:01.08 | darkkrai | are there libraries that I need to install? |
| 21:02.12 | itchi | Find it strange that i need to inform it, as once system completely loaded and /etc/init.d/cpufreqd restart just fix it while during bootup cpufreqd fails to start |
| 21:03.49 | darkkrai | how do i compile usb mass storage into the kernel? |
| 21:04.36 | itchi | darkkrai: Why do you need to compile a kernel? |
| 21:04.49 | darkkrai | doing research online says I need to |
| 21:04.58 | itchi | as if you ask this "basic" question, you will gets lot's of issues.... |
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| 21:05.18 | itchi | so don't expect an answer from me :D |
| 21:05.38 | darkkrai | lol |
| 21:05.39 | darkkrai | its k |
| 21:06.23 | itchi | darkkrai: Man, if i tell you, you will get other issues anyway |
| 21:07.50 | darkkrai | i figured it out |
| 21:07.57 | darkkrai | just needed to do a tail of my syslog |
| 21:08.00 | darkkrai | and find the device |
| 21:08.01 | darkkrai | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.21 | itchi | darkkrai: ;-) |
| 21:08.38 | sethrd|Reinstall | Where can I get a thumb drive img for a fresh squeeze install? |
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| 21:10.58 | nirazio | what this command do "compiz --replace" |
| 21:11.48 | sethrd|Reinstall | nirazio: It makes compiz act as your window manager. |
| 21:11.52 | darkkrai | ^ |
| 21:11.53 | peterrooney | nirazio: man compiz.real |
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| 21:20.38 | darkkrai | whats a cross platform file splitter? |
| 21:20.59 | darkkrai | when I'm cp'ing some files, it says that some of them are too large |
| 21:21.10 | darkkrai | I wish to transfer them from my debian server to my windows laptop |
| 21:23.00 | abrotman | cygwin runs on windows |
| 21:23.03 | jelly-home | darkkrai: split will work. copy /b part1+part2+part3 whole-file on windows side |
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| 21:24.24 | darkkrai | okay |
| 21:24.48 | darkkrai | is there a file system that I can format the hard drive to that will allow larger sizes? |
| 21:24.53 | jelly-home | ntfs |
| 21:25.11 | jelly-home | use ntfs-3g driver on Linux to mount it read-write |
| 21:25.24 | acemi | darkkrai: what is your maximum file size |
| 21:25.41 | jelly-home | "larger than 4GiB" |
| 21:25.44 | darkkrai | yes |
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| 21:26.42 | darkkrai | i have my external mounted already |
| 21:26.44 | darkkrai | its copying files |
| 21:26.49 | darkkrai | but its running into large files |
| 21:27.41 | furrywolf | well, I installed the latest exim4 security update, and now am unable to make mail work in any fashion... seems something with the configuration is broken? I've tried everything I can think of, including purging and re-installing from scratch, and the exim4-config configuration is still unusable. MAIN_RELAY_NETS is used in the config, but never defined anywhere. |
| 21:28.19 | furrywolf | all mail is rejected with "no IP address found for host MAIN_RELAY_NETS (during SMTP connection from localhost [127.0.0.1])" regardless of source or destination |
| 21:28.36 | furrywolf | since the config has MAIN_RELAY_NETS for the list of domains, but it's never defined... |
| 21:29.11 | furrywolf | googling hasn't turned up anything useful... |
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| 21:37.12 | GBGames | I'm trying to share an HP Laserjet Printer with my girlfriend's Windows laptop. I was able to share between my Debian machine and my Ubuntu laptop successfully (it worked out of the box, which shows that Debian has come a long way!). I followed these instructions, but they seem a bit outdated: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#sharing_with_windows |
| 21:37.49 | GBGames | My girlfriend's machine can't see my network, which is probably a Samba issue. |
| 21:38.01 | darkkrai | how do I format /dev/sdf1 to nfts ? |
| 21:38.21 | GBGames | Are those instructions no longer valid, or do they look as if they should work? |
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| 21:39.37 | GBGames | Doh. Of course, I just NOW see that the document has an updated listing at http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html It always happens after I ask in here. |
| 21:40.11 | acemi | darkkrai: mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdf1 |
| 21:40.18 | darkkrai | as su? |
| 21:40.26 | acemi | as root |
| 21:40.56 | acemi | darkkrai: see man mkfs.ntfs before use |
| 21:40.57 | darkkrai | bash: mkfs.ntfs: command not found |
| 21:41.00 | jauiwojau | jelly-home / : thus, I should for example try boot.img.gz under lenny-custom-0116.iso instead of the one provided on the debian site? Or should I additionally put the lenny-custom-0116.iso on the USB drive from which I boot? |
| 21:41.24 | jauiwojau | (I'm referring to kmuto's site) |
| 21:41.42 | acemi | darkkrai: install ntfsprogs package |
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| 21:42.04 | darkkrai | thanks |
| 21:42.08 | jelly-home | jauiwojau: I _think_ both, use that boot.img.gz and put kmuto's iso image on it. |
| 21:42.09 | acemi | np |
| 21:45.09 | jauiwojau | jelly-home: ah, ok, I'll try that. |
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| 21:46.09 | jelly-home | jauiwojau: I'm not sure why kmuto didn't just prepare an image ready to dd onto an usb stick but chose to use the silly Debian USB dance |
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| 21:47.32 | jelly-home | that said, I'm not sure why Debian has as complicated usb install procedure as possible, probably to dissuade novice users |
| 21:47.38 | darkkrai | acemi, how long should this take with a 500gb external harddrive? |
| 21:48.02 | jelly-home | darkkrai: if you have windows, format your NTFS on the windows machine instead. |
| 21:48.20 | darkkrai | ah |
| 21:48.22 | darkkrai | okay |
| 21:48.33 | darkkrai | ctrl+c is fine, right? no harm will be done? |
| 21:48.34 | jelly-home | darkkrai: if you remember to click the quick format option, it's going to be quite fast |
| 21:48.57 | jelly-home | darkkrai: ctrl-c on which command? |
| 21:49.13 | darkkrai | mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdf1 |
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| 21:49.16 | jelly-home | sure |
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| 21:49.31 | darkkrai | kk |
| 21:49.32 | dvs | jelly-home: I think it's a bit ironic that you have to have a linux installation to create a USB install |
| 21:49.32 | jelly-home | it's not like there's any data on it at present anyway |
| 21:50.02 | vtts | jelly-home, complicated? it does (at least it did) provide image for dd'ing to usb stick |
| 21:50.05 | jauiwojau | jelly-home: :-) True, it isn't the most user-friendly solution. |
| 21:50.08 | jelly-home | dvs: I think we're in violent agreement, even if some interjects it can be done on some other OS as well |
| 21:50.29 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 21:51.31 | jelly-home | vtts: last I read it, you had to unpack and dd an image, reread the partition table, mount, and copy an iso over |
| 21:51.59 | vtts | yep, something like that :) |
| 21:52.02 | jauiwojau | jelly-home: lucky me that I'm changing from a notebook with optical drive (with no problems to install lenny) to one without. |
| 21:52.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont think you have to do anything with the partition table |
| 21:52.09 | darkkrai | jelly-home, I will be able to copy files larger than 4gib, right? |
| 21:52.22 | jelly-home | darkkrai: to an NTFS with ntfs-3g? Yes. |
| 21:52.36 | darkkrai | whats ntfs-3g? |
| 21:52.42 | darkkrai | is it installed by default? |
| 21:52.51 | jelly-home | darkkrai: it's not. Install it. |
| 21:52.54 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 21:52.55 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:53.16 | darkkrai | okay |
| 21:53.23 | darkkrai | any configuring, or am I good to go? |
| 21:54.33 | vtts | darkkrai, mount -t ntfs3g /dev/sdXN /mnt |
| 21:54.43 | Gijs | People my cron jobs are not being executed |
| 21:54.46 | acemi | ntfs-3g? |
| 21:54.49 | Gijs | What could be wrong? |
| 21:55.09 | vtts | Gijs, pastebin your cron record |
| 21:56.12 | vtts | also check /var/log/syslog |
| 21:56.15 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/tFR3s5GP |
| 21:56.39 | darkkrai | alright, cool |
| 21:56.43 | Gijs | the syslog says: Dec 18 22:59:01 fr /USR/SBIN/CRON[7913]: (root) CMD (php /root/test.php) |
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| 21:57.28 | vtts | Gijs, does it work if you execute the command in shell? |
| 21:57.29 | dvs | Gijs: you must specify the full path for php |
| 21:57.37 | Gijs | yes the command works. |
| 21:57.52 | vtts | Gijs, check your mail |
| 21:58.13 | vtts | cron send errors |
| 21:58.21 | vtts | see /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 21:59.09 | Gijs | no mails in there |
| 21:59.42 | Gijs | i have no idea what my full php path is |
| 21:59.49 | vtts | which php |
| 22:00.03 | Gijs | php5 |
| 22:00.04 | dvs | vtts: the program ;-) |
| 22:00.11 | vtts | dvs, execute "which php" |
| 22:00.16 | jelly-home | Gijs: run "which php" in your shell |
| 22:00.50 | jelly-home | voila, full path |
| 22:00.55 | Gijs | oke i changed the path now |
| 22:00.57 | Gijs | and it works! |
| 22:00.58 | Gijs | lol! |
| 22:01.02 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 22:01.22 | Gijs | thanks guys |
| 22:01.29 | jelly-home | Gijs: man 5 crontab if you want to know how to set the PATH used for cron jobs |
| 22:01.54 | Gijs | oke thank you |
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| 22:02.52 | jelly-home | it says, among other things, [...] PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin" [...] |
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| 22:07.05 | t3a | hey, every time I reboot debian, xrandr loses all of its setting |
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| 22:14.15 | GBGames | I need to tell aptitude to configure samba with WINS. I already told it not to before. How do I reconfigure using aptitude? Or dpkg? |
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| 22:15.00 | jelly-home | t3a: that's unfortunately normal. |
| 22:15.41 | jelly-home | t3a: xrandr doesn't have a permanent configuration; Gnome or KDE save it by themselves if you use their xrandr wrappers. |
| 22:16.05 | mallxs | trying to upload a big file to a proftpd server, but that does not work .. can that be du to ulimit and how do i solve that ? |
| 22:16.47 | t3a | is there any way to fix it? |
| 22:17.04 | mallxs | i dont see a ulimit setting in init.d/proftpd |
| 22:18.35 | JyZyXEL | can i have both lenny and squeeze on a same partition under /lenny/ and /squeeze/ ? |
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| 22:19.39 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking of deboostraping a USB stick with both of them |
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| 22:23.16 | topgun21 | hello |
| 22:24.17 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: you can't have them as full-blown OS with services. You might eg. install lenny, then debootstrap a chroot of squeeze in /squeeze/ |
| 22:25.37 | JyZyXEL | oh so ill just need to make two partitions then |
| 22:26.39 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how much space they consume |
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| 22:43.26 | jhutchins | 4-6G each |
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| 22:51.51 | sethrd|Reinstall | Weird. X works on lenny and sid, but not on squeeze. |
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| 22:57.03 | jhutchins | sethrd|Reinstall: lenny uses an older, well-tested version of xorg and drivers. Squeeze is using the new crap that requires KMS in the kernel and is broken fairly often. Not sure what sid's currently using, could be the next "fix" for squeeze. |
| 22:57.10 | jhutchins | sethrd|Reinstall: What chipset? |
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| 22:59.19 | furrywolf | I experienced much of this brokenness trying to install squeeze's xorg onto a lenny box to make video work. gave up, switched the laptop to squeeze. even if you install every package you can think of from squeeze, it still doesn't work. too many differences. |
| 23:00.15 | sethrd|Reinstall | jhutchins: Intel GMA950. |
| 23:00.31 | jhutchins | sethrd|Reinstall: Yep, that's one of the known problems. |
| 23:00.41 | sethrd|Reinstall | Awesome. |
| 23:00.44 | jhutchins | sethrd|Reinstall: They've fixed and re-broken it more than once. |
| 23:01.06 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 23:01.10 | ShapeShifter499 | when upgrading how do I dismiss changelogs in apt-get update? |
| 23:01.26 | jhutchins | Latest drivers I tested a couple months ago wouldn't load without KMS. |
| 23:01.46 | furrywolf | that sounds exactly like the chipset in the laptop I was trying to make work. a squeeze install made it work great... |
| 23:02.17 | sethrd|Reinstall | So, I go with Lenny, I only get audio through headphones, working wireless, and not sure about suspend. Sid, everything but suspend and cpu scaling. Squeeze, I get no X, and haven't gone further yet. |
| 23:02.29 | furrywolf | someone's new netbook... an aspire one d255 or something like that. |
| 23:02.42 | sethrd|Reinstall | Yeah, this is a Dell Mini 10v. |
| 23:02.46 | jhutchins | furrywolf: xorg is a pretty comprehensive system to backport, and the jump from lenny to squeeze is a totally different architecture. |
| 23:03.00 | furrywolf | I hate working on other people's stuff. it's got a dual 1.5ghz cpu, while my fastest box is this celery 1.3. heh. |
| 23:03.16 | Boohemian | hi, has anyone here upgraded from mysql 5.0.51a to the mysql 5.5.8 from mysql.org/downloads for a drupal website? i am using mysql 5.0.51a from debian lenny, i want to get current :) |
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| 23:03.18 | jhutchins | furrywolf: ... and keeps breaking for intel laptop chipsets. |
| 23:03.35 | furrywolf | I'll warn her not to run an update for a while, then. |
| 23:03.46 | jhutchins | Boohemian: Current stable works great with a heavy traffic Drupal system I run. |
| 23:04.15 | sethrd|Reinstall | Guess I will be going back to Sid and giving up suspend for the time being... |
| 23:04.27 | jhutchins | ,versions mysql |
| 23:04.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql' was found in i386. |
| 23:04.33 | jhutchins | ,versions mysql-server |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | mysql-common ? |
| 23:04.35 | judd | Package mysql-server on i386 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny4; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.49-3; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; experimental: 5.1.51-1; experimental: 5.1.53-1; experimental: 5.1.54-1 |
| 23:04.41 | furrywolf | her box is currently working perfectly (xorg, wireless, suspend, and all the other annoying things that often don't on new laptops), so I'll tell her not to break it. :) |
| 23:05.10 | sethrd|Reinstall | furrywolf: Most of the netbooks have the exact same hardware. How did you get suspend working for her? What is she running, squeeze? |
| 23:05.23 | jhutchins | On the other hand I've got an acer one running squeeze on intel graphics without a sneeze. |
| 23:05.46 | furrywolf | squeeze. I didn't do anything. she clicks kde's suspend buttons or waits for the no-activity timeout, it works. |
| 23:05.56 | sethrd|Reinstall | Ugh, KDE... |
| 23:06.14 | furrywolf | yes, I hate KDE too. but when getting paid to set up boxes, I set up what they want. :) |
| 23:06.20 | jhutchins | Mine works on lid-close or click. |
| 23:06.44 | furrywolf | the wired network was actually the biggest problem. I suspect it's a d-i bug. |
| 23:06.48 | froggyman | furrywolf, you should install fluxbox for them instead |
| 23:06.53 | froggyman | ;) |
| 23:06.57 | sethrd|Reinstall | furrywolf: Can't argue there. |
| 23:07.18 | sethrd|Reinstall | My wired works without a hitch. Wireless I have to compile the WL drivers from source, no biggy. |
| 23:07.26 | sethrd|Reinstall | However, I can't work without suspend. |
| 23:08.01 | furrywolf | d-i is supposed to (at least, the manual claims it will) prompt when you need firmware to make hardware work. the installed had the kernel module for her wired nic, but not the firmware... and didn't figure it out. just complained it couldn't get an address with dhcp (after trying and timing out), when the real problem was a non-functional interface. dmesg showed the kernel complaining about the lack of firmware... |
| 23:08.09 | jhutchins | I still think people who expect install-over-wifi to work are overly optimistic. |
| 23:09.15 | furrywolf | actually, install-over-wifi was how I did it. the _wired_ was the one with missing firmware. |
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| 23:10.22 | furrywolf | d-i should have noticed, but didn't, so either d-i or the manual is broken. :) |
| 23:10.39 | jhutchins | furrywolf: Squeeze? |
| 23:10.42 | furrywolf | yes |
| 23:10.55 | jhutchins | furrywolf: Squeeze installer is in intense beta right now. |
| 23:11.06 | jhutchins | furrywolf: NOT released yet. |
| 23:11.33 | jhutchins | furrywolf: You should make sure that a bugreport exists for that card. |
| 23:11.51 | furrywolf | damnit. now I have proof this box is rooted. |
| 23:14.19 | furrywolf | add one to the list of boxes fucked by the recent exim4 exploit. |
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| 23:27.02 | jelly-home | I'll be fucked when there's a postfix exploit |
| 23:27.55 | furrywolf | looks like the exploit was used twice, so it wget'ed the rootkit twice... but the rootkit's install didn't clean up the .1 files. so I have a .tgz of the rootkit being spread with the exim4 exploit if anyone wants it... |
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| 23:28.46 | furrywolf | everyone who had a box that might have been vulnerable to it might want to check for it. |
| 23:29.08 | MrBoss | someone use piespy? |
| 23:29.23 | jelly-home | sounds like a bad exploit, proper ones close the hole after they root you |
| 23:29.29 | jelly-home | ;-) |
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| 23:41.39 | simonrvn | furrywolf: hey, ltns |
| 23:41.52 | furrywolf | heyas |
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| 23:45.21 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to install xen-utils-common on squeeze but I get "Starting Xen daemons: xenfsmount: unknown filesystem type 'xenfs' failed!" Any idea? |
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