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| 00:04.48 | dynamite | Hey there - when using mutt - can i define folder hooks on multiple lines? http://pastebin.com/q9HfTnpk this doesnt seem to work quite well. any idea? |
| 00:05.11 | dynamite | not quite well is an understatement :D it simply doesnt work |
| 00:06.20 | mee | dynamite: can you just specify the hook multiple times? I thought mutt allowed it, but I haven't used mutt in years |
| 00:06.50 | dynamite | mee: probably - but i'd like to keep the overview nice like this - cant i simply escape the lines in some way? |
| 00:07.20 | Boohemian | hi, why would i want to upgrade to debian lenny that was released on nov 27, 2010? does it just update the bugs/security fixes from the previous debian lenny? |
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| 00:08.53 | kazoo | Hi, i am currently using OpenBSD 4.8 and i was wondering is there any way to install Debian via ssh or something of that nature/ |
| 00:08.55 | kazoo | ? * |
| 00:09.28 | furrywolf | does your hosting provider give you remote console access? |
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| 00:09.39 | mee | dynamite: also, the first hit on a search for 'mutt config multiline' has your answers ;) |
| 00:09.43 | kazoo | Well it's based off my old computer |
| 00:10.14 | kazoo | it's a laptop with a broken screen so all i really can do is try to install it via ssh or something to that effect. |
| 00:10.29 | dynamite | mee: doesnt here. mind posting a link? |
| 00:10.33 | furrywolf | I don't know about ssh, but there's always serial console. |
| 00:10.42 | kazoo | serial console? |
| 00:10.47 | kazoo | how do i go about that? |
| 00:11.45 | furrywolf | debian does have an install over ssh option as well, I think. |
| 00:12.12 | kazoo | Well i tried in Ubuntu and they say something about netboot and modding a .cgf file |
| 00:12.13 | kazoo | i think.. |
| 00:12.53 | furrywolf | the easy option, of course, is getting a dock for your laptop. :) |
| 00:13.33 | kazoo | Unfortunitly i don't have the money otherwise i would do it that way :) |
| 00:13.35 | kazoo | :( * |
| 00:13.39 | sethrd|Reinstall | Alright, back to working X with wireless and sound. |
| 00:13.50 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 00:14.02 | furrywolf | http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1357 has a comment at the bottom with how to preconfigure the debian installer for ssh install. |
| 00:14.44 | furrywolf | google finds some other hits as well |
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| 00:14.53 | Boohemian | how do i see what version of debian lenny i am running? |
| 00:15.18 | furrywolf | cat /etc/issue would be my first guess |
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| 00:15.31 | sethrd|Reinstall | Still Sid though. Lenny I only got sound through headphones, and Squeeze has issues with GMA950 video cards... |
| 00:15.46 | furrywolf | but I've never ended up with a debian box with one specific version past the first week of installing it. : |
| 00:15.49 | furrywolf | :) |
| 00:16.11 | furrywolf | sethrd|Reinstall: what problem did you have with the video? the one I did worked perfectly with squeeze. |
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| 00:16.35 | furrywolf | and only-through-headphones sounds like you need to poke the right fn buttons, as usually that's not controllable through software. |
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| 00:17.16 | furrywolf | (at least, on every laptop I've ever poked around inside of, the internal speakers and the headphones shared an output on the sound card) |
| 00:17.31 | sethrd|Reinstall | furrywolf: and what fn button would that be? The channels were unmuted and volume was up, but only worked through headphones. |
| 00:18.32 | furrywolf | dunno. on my little laptop, it's fn+f3 or something. |
| 00:19.00 | furrywolf | do the speakers work in other oses/versions? |
| 00:19.06 | sethrd|Reinstall | They work on Sid. =) |
| 00:19.09 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 00:19.13 | kazoo | i need to burn 8 dvds? |
| 00:19.14 | furrywolf | you have an odd sound card. :) |
| 00:19.24 | furrywolf | kazoo: only if you want all of debian at once. |
| 00:19.33 | furrywolf | most people seem to get the 150mb netinst cd. |
| 00:19.38 | jelly-home | kazoo: only if you plan on installing a machine with no internet access |
| 00:19.44 | furrywolf | which will then download only the software you pick. |
| 00:19.58 | kazoo | mm |
| 00:21.33 | kazoo | see i might not get it seeing i don't know what to do :( |
| 00:21.38 | kazoo | and i can't see anything |
| 00:21.55 | sethrd|Reinstall | Damn system keeps loading ssb module, even though I have it set in blacklist... |
| 00:21.55 | furrywolf | put the hard drive in another computer and install there? |
| 00:22.24 | kazoo | if i got a VGA adapter and connected it to my t.v then could i see the installer or would it not pick it up? |
| 00:23.26 | furrywolf | depends on the laptop. if the vga port is on the laptop, it usually works automatically, or you just need to press some fn-something combination to toggle to the external monitor. |
| 00:24.00 | furrywolf | for example, fn+f5 on my toshiba laptop. |
| 00:24.11 | kazoo | Mm |
| 00:24.18 | kazoo | mine's a Toshiba Sat |
| 00:24.30 | furrywolf | if you want to use an external usb vga adapter or such, it's unlikely to work. |
| 00:24.54 | kazoo | what's kfreebsd? |
| 00:25.00 | furrywolf | dunno |
| 00:25.04 | furrywolf | try #freebsd :) |
| 00:25.27 | furrywolf | you don't have a regular vga monitor, only a tv? |
| 00:25.47 | kazoo | Yeah only T.V |
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| 00:25.57 | kazoo | well it's on debians website. |
| 00:26.47 | furrywolf | crt monitors are roughly $0 these days. |
| 00:27.30 | furrywolf | at least if you're in any country not considered third-world. |
| 00:27.58 | furrywolf | I've even seen them on craigslist for -$5, as it's cheaper to pay you than to pay the dump's e-waste fee. :) |
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| 00:30.33 | furrywolf | damnit. it's getting dark and I can't see well enough to look at non-alpha keys on my keyboard, but my batteries are too low to risk turning lights ok before I've finished imaging my rooted server. |
| 00:31.17 | furrywolf | s/ok/on |
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| 00:32.06 | thewanderer1 | hi, how to see UUIDs of my mdraid partitions? |
| 00:33.14 | JyZyXEL | sudo blkid |
| 00:33.57 | JyZyXEL | or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 00:35.47 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 00:36.13 | thewanderer1 | I've just found `mdadm --detail /dev/md0`, too - displays this in a nicer form |
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| 00:38.39 | _genuser_ | hello peoples |
| 00:38.54 | furrywolf | heyas |
| 00:39.20 | furrywolf | meh, $#@$#@rain. I'm going to need to start charging people in power for tech help. how about 20 watt-hours/question? :) |
| 00:43.48 | kazoo | to enable SSH install do i use the Debian Netboot Disk or the Debian CD or Debian DVD? |
| 00:44.03 | kazoo | or does it matter? |
| 00:44.29 | Bushmills | to install ssh, or to install remotely, over ssh? |
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| 00:45.12 | furrywolf | he's installing on a headless system |
| 00:45.33 | furrywolf | so needs to set the installer up to begin an install-over-ssh automatically |
| 00:45.49 | furrywolf | I'd pick netinst - presumably it has all the needed components. |
| 00:46.03 | furrywolf | curls up on hir tail and yawns |
| 00:46.38 | kazoo | so mini.iso it is. |
| 00:46.58 | furrywolf | no, don't use the mini one |
| 00:47.04 | furrywolf | use the regular netinst.iso |
| 00:47.47 | kazoo | can't seem to find netinst.iso |
| 00:47.50 | kazoo | only mini |
| 00:48.17 | furrywolf | where are you looking? |
| 00:48.34 | kazoo | maybe it's because i'm under testing not stable.. |
| 00:48.54 | kazoo | aha found it. |
| 00:49.07 | kazoo | debian-507-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:49.57 | vardomescro | hi all. #bash referred me here. what's the definitive way to find total size of files in a directory tree. du -sl ~ and ls -RlA --block-size=1000 ~ | grep -v '^$\|^total\|^./' | awk '{total+=$5}END{print total}' give different answers and neither jive with df ~ |
| 00:51.03 | sethrd|Reinstall | Try block-size=1024 and see how well it adds up |
| 00:52.00 | vardomescro | the 1000/1024 dance around du -sl. both are shy of df ~ used by about 200000 |
| 00:52.35 | thewanderer1 | is there a channel for embedded software/hardware in here? |
| 00:52.55 | furrywolf | #robotics maybe, if it's still around |
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| 00:53.25 | kazoo | lol 1(-15) peers |
| 00:53.28 | kazoo | woot torrent |
| 00:53.38 | furrywolf | ... you're torrenting debian netinst? |
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| 00:54.47 | furrywolf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-507-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 01:02.50 | Alphos | hi |
| 01:05.33 | Alphos | i'm having some trouble with postgresql 8.4 (i know, there's a channel, i'm already there but they're drawing a blank too ;-) ) on lenny : plpgsql lib isn't found by another soft, although it's right where it's supposed to be |
| 01:05.55 | Alphos | if there's anyone using pgsql, he could be a lot of help :D |
| 01:07.35 | Alphos | (used aptitude to get pgsql 8.4 from testing, by the way) |
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| 01:14.09 | Boohemian | hi, can someone please explain to me the difference between a binary install and compiling software? i use lenny, but sometimes i need software that aptitude doesn't have (e.g. tomcat6). i don't want to play with apt/sources.list, so i have to chose between compiling and a binary. how do i know which one is the right way to go? |
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| 01:14.46 | Boohemian | doesn't compiling from source mean i will get it specific for my computer and it will run as fast as possible, whereas a binary is made to work on all computers that the binary architecture is for, so there can be a lot of bloat? |
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| 01:18.21 | pierrep | hi |
| 01:18.32 | pierrep | got some problem to get sound of a monitor by hdmi |
| 01:18.37 | pierrep | with nvidia card |
| 01:18.53 | pierrep | some idea? |
| 01:19.40 | furrywolf | isn't audio seperate? |
| 01:20.16 | furrywolf | does your video card have a built-in sound card? |
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| 01:23.04 | pierrep | no i got another card for the sound |
| 01:25.08 | furrywolf | and how are you connecting it to your monitor? |
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| 01:29.22 | tuv | do i have to use the 'make' build system (Makefile) when packaging for debian? |
| 01:32.27 | catsup | tuv: no |
| 01:32.34 | catsup | erm |
| 01:33.01 | daemonkeeper | It will make the life easier support make thoughö. |
| 01:33.25 | daemonkeeper | Most automated build tools require make at some stage. |
| 01:33.35 | catsup | tuv: are you talking about the build procedure for your own software, or for the package? |
| 01:34.04 | catsup | daemonkeeper: there are several alternatives to 'make' |
| 01:35.09 | catsup | (e.g., cmake) |
| 01:37.05 | daemonkeeper | catsup: cmake replaces automake/auto*. It still produces a Makefile afterwards you run with make. |
| 01:37.26 | catsup | tuv: btw, the best channel for support on building packages is #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 01:37.37 | catsup | daemonkeeper: oops, not a good example then :p but there are some that don't |
| 01:37.48 | daemonkeeper | catsup: Yes. ant for example. |
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| 01:39.09 | daemonkeeper | That wasn't what I wanted to mention though. I meant that producing .deb packages is a lot easier if you do have a Makefile that builds your software, because then you can automate many steps. |
| 01:41.01 | catsup | make kind of sucks though, i can understand not wanting to use it, although i've never used anything else |
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| 01:43.03 | daemonkeeper | Noone likes build tool management and creation of them. That wastes a lot of time you'd prefer to invest in your actual code. |
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| 01:55.00 | stew | < tuv> do i have to use the 'make' build system (Makefile) when packaging for debian |
| 01:55.30 | stew | tuv: yes, in the sense that debian/rules MUST be a makefile (with a #!/usr/bin/make -f shebang) |
| 01:55.34 | stew | tuv: otherwise, no |
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| 02:12.17 | WormFood | is it my imagination, or is pulseaudio a piece of shit? This has got to be the most frustrating piece of software I've ever used under Linux...most of the time it simply does not work. |
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| 02:16.28 | bitweiler | so etch is no longer around for updates? |
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| 02:18.41 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys how do go to end of a document in vi? |
| 02:18.46 | bitweiler | I was just wondering since I'm still running Debian 2.6.18.dfsg-18etch1 |
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| 02:19.16 | WormFood | apparently I'm not the only one who hates pulseaudio....just google for "pulseaudio sucks", you'll find a ton of other people with problems with this fuckin' shit software. |
| 02:20.39 | WormFood | "If there ever was a virus for linux, it would be hard to best pulseaudio in the havoc it has wreaked over 1000s of users." <-- this is so true |
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| 02:34.05 | fbs | wait whut |
| 02:34.11 | fbs | 2.6.18 :| |
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| 02:45.53 | Shadow` | any way to copy files over others and disregard capital letters? |
| 02:46.14 | WormFood | Shadow`, use FAT without unicode support |
| 02:46.42 | Shadow` | in other words, without having to format a drive to do so, no? |
| 02:47.19 | WormFood | your question is unclear....nobody knows exactly what you want. |
| 02:47.54 | Shadow` | more windows like behavior, ignoring capitals and stuff when copying a bunch of files over other files |
| 02:48.05 | Shadow` | so u dont get duplicates, blabla.file Blabla.file |
| 02:48.15 | WormFood | those are not duplicated |
| 02:48.24 | WormFood | those are 2 different filenames |
| 02:48.30 | Shadow` | orlly |
| 02:48.34 | WormFood | linux filenames are case sensitive |
| 02:48.40 | Shadow` | thanks sherlock |
| 02:48.43 | Shadow` | real helpfull |
| 02:48.51 | ziroux | lol |
| 02:48.51 | WormFood | you still haven't said what you want to do |
| 02:48.58 | WormFood | give me an example |
| 02:49.01 | Shadow` | i just said |
| 02:49.06 | WormFood | be more clear |
| 02:49.17 | Shadow` | how more clear do u want |
| 02:49.20 | WormFood | what the fuck? am I supposed to guess at exactly what you want? |
| 02:49.30 | Shadow` | i got lots of files in a folder, i got a ... lets call it a mod... in a different folder |
| 02:49.37 | WormFood | if you have blah.file and Blah.file, which one gets deleted? |
| 02:49.40 | Shadow` | and i want to copy it over the 'clean' folder |
| 02:49.44 | Shadow` | and not get |
| 02:49.49 | Shadow` | Blabla.txt and blabla.txt |
| 02:49.53 | Shadow` | but that Blabla.txt |
| 02:49.55 | Shadow` | OVERWRITES blabla.txt |
| 02:49.59 | Shadow` | i.e. |
| 02:50.04 | Shadow` | windows behavior of folders |
| 02:50.21 | WormFood | WHAT FUCKIN' FILES DO YOU WANT DELETED? You want the new files to delete the old files if the case is the same? |
| 02:50.24 | Shadow` | currently its making wine rather useless |
| 02:50.43 | Shadow` | ill write it out in bookform, and mail it to u |
| 02:50.45 | Shadow` | no help here |
| 02:50.58 | WormFood | you're no help, because you are not clear in exactly what you want |
| 02:50.59 | ziroux | prename all to lowercase |
| 02:51.06 | ziroux | then move |
| 02:51.18 | Shadow` | its just a couple of thousand files |
| 02:51.19 | WormFood | what you want is not that hard, but how the hell am I supposed to know what to suggest if you're not clear in your request? |
| 02:51.21 | ziroux | or copy, whatever |
| 02:51.30 | Shadow` | its faster to format my linux and install windows back |
| 02:51.50 | ziroux | lol2 |
| 02:52.16 | Shadow` | dont get whats not to get from 'Windows like behavior for files and folders, not considering A to be different from a, B from b and so on |
| 02:52.36 | macrobat | im not a windows user... |
| 02:53.02 | WormFood | Shadow`, windows handles that in the OS, not on the file system |
| 02:53.22 | Shadow` | yet i have 'duplicate' folders in my c_drive |
| 02:53.31 | WormFood | the file system on windows IS case sensitive too, however the kernel ignores the case when saving/writing files....but when creating files, it is case sensitive |
| 02:53.33 | ziroux | Shadow`: time rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * |
| 02:53.54 | WormFood | this actually sounds like a problem with wine |
| 02:54.37 | WormFood | wine should make all the filenames upper or lower case, to eliminate problems like this...or do its own internal translations.....but waitaminute...you're copying files from outside of wine, so that aspect isn't a wine issue |
| 02:54.54 | ziroux | there is no problem |
| 02:55.05 | Shadow` | wine isnt giving me an option to open folders |
| 02:55.22 | ziroux | or is it |
| 02:56.13 | WormFood | it is not too hard to rename all your files to lowercase, then copy them over |
| 02:56.49 | Shadow` | thx ziroux, ill see if that works |
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| 03:00.27 | bitweiler | what is the status on debian etch, since I can't apt-get install anything for it? |
| 03:01.54 | meltphace | o_O |
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| 03:02.08 | WormFood | bitweiler, update to something newer |
| 03:02.24 | WormFood | or change your repo |
| 03:03.04 | beardy | !oldstable |
| 03:03.05 | dpkg | i guess oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 03:03.29 | beardy | Also see the topic. |
| 03:04.10 | iluminator101 | how do you find the zone map for the national weather service for your state for libgnome weather? |
| 03:09.49 | bitweiler | beardy: the topic is want got me wondering about this |
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| 03:10.30 | bitweiler | dpkg: <oldstable->stable> |
| 03:10.30 | dpkg | bitweiler: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:11.02 | bitweiler | dpkg: oldstable->stable |
| 03:11.02 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 03:11.56 | bitweiler | dpkg: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 03:11.56 | dpkg | bitweiler: i haven't a clue |
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| 03:12.31 | bitweiler | dpkg: etch sources.list |
| 03:12.31 | dpkg | [etch sources.list] "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 03:12.59 | bitweiler | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 03:12.59 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 03:14.13 | bitweiler | dpkg: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:14.13 | dpkg | bitweiler: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 03:14.26 | bitweiler | chuckles |
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| 03:35.18 | hellnest | can we change the default font in X / Command Line? ( True X not inside any DE ) |
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| 03:53.28 | jhutchins | dpkg: aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 03:53.29 | dpkg | jhutchins: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:53.36 | jhutchins | Hm, we'll have to fix that. |
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| 03:54.15 | jhutchins | full-upgrade is like dist-upgrade, intended for upgrading between versions, allows removal of superceeded packages. |
| 03:55.09 | jhutchins | Ah, it's not actually a factioid. |
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| 03:55.24 | jhutchins | See man aptitude for further information. |
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| 04:12.15 | tuv | i can't get strftime to return any non-english strings. Code: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/26338 Command: LANGUAGE=fr ./t |
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| 04:12.49 | xk | try LANG? |
| 04:12.54 | xk | or LC_ALL? |
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| 04:21.08 | dclarke | how do I remove adobe flash from my system ? I want it gone and dead .. please |
| 04:21.34 | hellnest | just uninstall it |
| 04:21.48 | dclarke | with aptitude ? |
| 04:22.00 | dclarke | pi flashplugin-nonfree <-- what is pi ? |
| 04:22.18 | dclarke | sudo aptitude search flash reports a "pi " status |
| 04:22.28 | dclarke | dpkg refuses to remove it as it claims it has been removed |
| 04:22.28 | dpkg | dclarke: i don't know |
| 04:22.34 | dclarke | and yet .. it is still in there |
| 04:23.53 | peterrooney | dclarke: dpkg -l | head will tell you a bundle about "pi" |
| 04:23.53 | hellnest | dpkg pi |
| 04:23.54 | dpkg | well, pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326 |
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| 04:24.02 | hellnest | that's pi hehehe |
| 04:24.11 | Tekk_ | is there any way I can decrease the amount of memory that will be used for cache? |
| 04:24.12 | dclarke | no its not |
| 04:24.16 | JyZyXEL | i don't think thats all there is to pi |
| 04:24.20 | dclarke | thats only a few digits of it |
| 04:24.27 | dclarke | there are an infinite number more |
| 04:24.27 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 04:24.39 | hellnest | wait BBL |
| 04:24.52 | Tekk_ | I tend to leave my machine running for a long time, and I know that cache will go down if you open something up, but it can still make my machine feel really sluggish after a while, even bringing it to the point of swapping |
| 04:25.17 | peterrooney | dclarke: it means it's marked for purging, but it is still installed. |
| 04:25.37 | dclarke | wel ... whats the magic incantation ? do I need to sacrifice a black cat ? what ? |
| 04:26.16 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:26.26 | dclarke | baloney .. it is still in there |
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| 04:28.10 | peterrooney | dclarke: whenever I have a glitch like that, I run apt-get -f install |
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| 04:29.04 | dclarke | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 46 not upgraded. |
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| 04:29.41 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.41 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up flashplugin-nonfree still reports warning: ignoring request to remove flashplugin-nonfree which isn't installed. all over dclarke and ser... |
| 04:29.52 | peterrooney | huh. in pathological cases I've done apt-get install <irksome>; apt-get --purge remove <irksome> |
| 04:30.11 | dclarke | ahhh .. so apt-get is flaky .. I see |
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| 04:32.12 | dclarke | just for kicks |
| 04:32.22 | dclarke | dpkg sqrt(2) |
| 04:32.22 | dpkg | dclarke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:32.34 | dclarke | dpkg 1/0 |
| 04:32.34 | dpkg | somebody said 1/0 was undefined |
| 04:32.42 | dclarke | good enough for me |
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| 04:37.18 | dclarke | okay .. that seems to have worked .. thanks all .. I will now use a browser without annoying ads and crap |
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| 04:48.06 | tuv | xk: LANG and LC_ALL don't work either |
| 04:48.19 | xk | hmmm |
| 04:48.22 | tuv | i can't get strftime to return any non-english strings. Code: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/26338 Command: {LANGUAGE,LANG,LC_ALL}=fr ./t |
| 04:48.27 | xk | hang on |
| 04:49.14 | xk | try fr_FR |
| 04:49.30 | tuv | nope |
| 04:49.35 | tuv | still doesn't work |
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| 04:57.13 | Sazpaimon | so #crunchbang isn't responding, so maybe i can get some help here (keyword: maybe). I just installed crunchbang 10 (which is based on squeeze) on my USB key, it boots up fine, but my touchpad isn't working. Keyboard works fine though |
| 04:57.33 | Sazpaimon | anything I should look at to see what the heck is going on here? |
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| 05:00.23 | JyZyXEL | loop devices don't support partitions? |
| 05:00.39 | xk | use lvm |
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| 05:00.48 | JyZyXEL | hows that work |
| 05:01.05 | JyZyXEL | i need the files outta partitioned image |
| 05:01.22 | xk | hmm |
| 05:01.34 | xk | you shold image it o na per partition basis |
| 05:01.36 | xk | not the whole drive :) |
| 05:01.47 | JyZyXEL | yea well i imaged the whole thing |
| 05:03.43 | JyZyXEL | guess ill need to figure out the offsets and manually give them to losetup |
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| 05:05.02 | xk | theres a tool to recover partition tables |
| 05:05.11 | xk | forgot what it was called... i used it like 10 years ago |
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| 05:05.16 | JyZyXEL | i don't need to recover one |
| 05:05.28 | xk | if you know the offsets, that's cool |
| 05:05.42 | JyZyXEL | i should be able to read them with fdisk straight off the image |
| 05:05.42 | texel | Hey folks, I've got a weird one for ya: just did a clean install of Sqeeze on a box I have here at the house, and DNS resolution with APT is failing, but ping works fine. |
| 05:05.51 | JyZyXEL | hell even with hexdump |
| 05:06.25 | xk | dunno... fdisk reads/writes - or atleast communicates - to the bios I think. |
| 05:06.47 | JyZyXEL | no it doesn't |
| 05:07.17 | xk | then why you cannot modify the partition table of the booted drive? |
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| 05:07.35 | texel | The most fdisk does is find out what the CHS values are from the disk itself. The BIOS is never spoken to. |
| 05:07.45 | JyZyXEL | you can |
| 05:07.52 | xk | no you cant |
| 05:07.54 | JyZyXEL | nothings stopping you |
| 05:08.03 | xk | i challenge you to do fdisk /dev/sda |
| 05:08.07 | xk | change the partition table |
| 05:08.09 | xk | and write to it |
| 05:08.10 | xk | it will fail |
| 05:08.13 | texel | xk: I just did that a few minutes ago. |
| 05:08.22 | texel | xk: It is indeed possible. |
| 05:08.29 | texel | xk: As long as you have root. |
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| 05:08.42 | xk | you probably can, but you need to reboot for it to take effect. |
| 05:08.50 | texel | xk: not necessarily. |
| 05:09.05 | texel | xk: the kernel is notified of the change once fdisk has written its changes. |
| 05:09.13 | texel | xk: sometimes it can notice those changes without having to reboot. |
| 05:09.32 | texel | Look at fdisk's output carefully. |
| 05:09.53 | xk | i've done it many times years ago |
| 05:09.55 | JyZyXEL | what i need to do is make fdisks output more sane |
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| 05:10.10 | xk | Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. |
| 05:10.11 | xk | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
| 05:10.11 | xk | The kernel still uses the old table. |
| 05:10.11 | xk | The new table will be used at the next reboot. |
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| 05:10.25 | JyZyXEL | it still changed the table |
| 05:10.27 | JyZyXEL | and wrote the changes |
| 05:10.29 | xk | yeah |
| 05:10.31 | texel | Exactly. |
| 05:10.33 | xk | but you need to reboot for it to take effect |
| 05:10.41 | texel | In this case, yes. |
| 05:10.45 | texel | But not in all. |
| 05:10.48 | xk | sure |
| 05:10.52 | xk | i said: on the booted drive only |
| 05:11.01 | xk | if you didnt boot from it, it's OK. |
| 05:11.01 | texel | shrugs |
| 05:11.02 | JyZyXEL | make the resource not busy then |
| 05:11.29 | JyZyXEL | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 05:11.31 | xk | hmmm |
| 05:11.32 | JyZyXEL | sda.bin1 1 510 1027619 83 Linux |
| 05:11.43 | JyZyXEL | what the hell are these values in bytes |
| 05:11.49 | texel | Heh |
| 05:11.54 | zeitsofa | hello. i configured drbd an two debian squeeze nodes. it works fine as well. but now I'm syncing the nodes. the drbd ressource up to 6TB and "cat /proc/drbd" show 'finish: 12:42:16 speed: 105,880 (93,772) K/sec'. i'm confused on speed - drbd interface are a gbit. what can be wrong? |
| 05:11.56 | texel | blocks * blocksize |
| 05:11.56 | JyZyXEL | i need bytes, not some meanigless values |
| 05:12.09 | texel | JyZyXEL: POssibly 512 bytes per block. |
| 05:12.14 | texel | JyZyXEL: Since that's the size of a sector on disk. |
| 05:12.19 | xk | zeitsofa: drbd speed is in MB/sec, not mbit |
| 05:12.36 | xk | er, KByte/sec, not KBit/sec |
| 05:12.54 | zeitsofa | ahh ok :) thx for the hint |
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| 05:13.32 | xk | so "rate 100M" in drbd.conf is 100MByte/sec limit. |
| 05:13.36 | nirazio | How can I change default xdg user directories? |
| 05:13.43 | JyZyXEL | i think their 1K blocks |
| 05:14.09 | xk | 6TB? heh. |
| 05:14.11 | Sazpaimon | well I see rdesktop is still hard to use as ever |
| 05:14.13 | JyZyXEL | why the fuck does the output have to be so fucked up |
| 05:14.19 | Sazpaimon | especially the mouse |
| 05:14.34 | zeitsofa | xk: in drbd.conf 1000M enable |
| 05:14.57 | xk | zeitsofa: I'd recommend reading the documentation on setting the max speed. |
| 05:15.05 | texel | JyZyXEL: use cfdisk or parted. |
| 05:15.10 | zeitsofa | xk ok |
| 05:15.11 | texel | JyZyXEL: fdisk is rather... ...insane. |
| 05:15.14 | xk | zeitsofa: for initial sync, it's OK. but in production, use ~33% of max bandwidth. |
| 05:15.42 | xk | or something like that. |
| 05:16.13 | xk | sorry. it's max IO bandwidth * 0.3 |
| 05:16.20 | xk | disk IO. |
| 05:16.44 | xk | http://www.drbd.org/users-guide/s-configure-syncer-rate.html |
| 05:17.16 | xk | how come you have cool hardware to play with? :) |
| 05:19.19 | zeitsofa | xk: two noname storage with areca raid controller and backplane, debian on it, drbd, ha, 16 slots for hdd with 5 disks (wd re4 2TB) but better place to talk about > query u're welcome :) |
| 05:19.49 | xk | never heard of areca until a few days ago :> |
| 05:20.01 | xk | sata eh? |
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| 05:21.39 | JyZyXEL | sudo losetup -o 31744 /dev/loop0 sda.bin |
| 05:21.46 | JyZyXEL | thats how you mount the first partition |
| 05:22.24 | JyZyXEL | or make a loop for it |
| 05:24.03 | JyZyXEL | found out the offsets with fdisk -u sda.bin and multiplied starting sectors values with 512 |
| 05:24.23 | zeitsofa | xk: please have a look into our query. lets talk there about hardware and something like that, ok? |
| 05:25.53 | texel | Anybody run into DNS resolution issues with apt-get in squeeze? |
| 05:26.44 | xk | ? |
| 05:26.46 | zeitsofa | thats wrong? |
| 05:27.22 | texel | More specifically, doing an apt-get update fails to resolve hostnames, yet ping resolves them fine. |
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| 05:27.49 | texel | Worse, adding in the IP address of the host in question to /etc/hosts resolves the issue. |
| 05:28.27 | xk | hmm |
| 05:28.40 | xk | i do know debian has ipv6 enabled in libc |
| 05:28.45 | xk | regardless if you have ipv6 enabled in the kernel |
| 05:28.58 | texel | Yeah, I was thinking it might be that as well. |
| 05:29.08 | xk | ubuntu is patched against it |
| 05:29.14 | texel | Ah, no. |
| 05:29.17 | texel | It's my setup. |
| 05:29.29 | texel | I have a POS Motorola DSL here that has a broken DNS forwarder. |
| 05:29.39 | texel | Setting the nameservers to the upstream ISP solved the problem. |
| 05:29.42 | xk | it would happen with 3rd party dns that couldn't handle ipv6 dns queries. |
| 05:29.51 | texel | Hm. |
| 05:29.53 | texel | Interesting theory. |
| 05:30.05 | xk | it would randomly timeout from 2 seconds, to 5 seconds, to 10 seconds. |
| 05:30.15 | texel | Well, I wasn't seeing timeouts. |
| 05:30.34 | xk | the wonders of DNS :) |
| 05:30.34 | texel | Maybe the router just didn't understand a AAAA request and returned SERVFAIL. |
| 05:30.39 | xk | yea |
| 05:30.47 | texel | Blegh. |
| 05:30.49 | texel | Stupid router. =op |
| 05:30.55 | texel | Thanks for listening at least. |
| 05:31.34 | xk | tcpdump udp port 53 ;) |
| 05:31.40 | zeitsofa | :D |
| 05:31.45 | texel | Heh |
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| 05:33.28 | texel | Hm. Interesting results. |
| 05:33.32 | texel | security.debian.org resolves fine. |
| 05:33.48 | texel | So do the CNAMEs for mirrors.kernel.org. |
| 05:34.29 | hellnest | texel: mirror.kernel.org is down? |
| 05:34.39 | texel | hellnest: no. |
| 05:34.48 | texel | hellnest: weird resolver issues. |
| 05:35.00 | texel | hellnest: seems to be limited to my local DSL's forwarding resolver. |
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| 05:35.20 | hellnest | i have a problem also visiting freedesktop site.. >.<" |
| 05:35.44 | texel | http://paste.debian.net/102719/ |
| 05:35.59 | texel | So it /is/ responding with AAAA addresses. |
| 05:36.25 | texel | I'd probably need wireshark to see more detail than that. |
| 05:37.15 | zeitsofa | xk: i'm reading the drbd link u post. i have da datarate up to 200M/s so round about 670M are a good value for syncer speed. it's true? |
| 05:37.20 | texel | I wonder if there's a bug in apt-get that I'm hitting which is related to the "apt doesn't use secondary resolvers" or something. |
| 05:37.23 | texel | shrugs |
| 05:37.28 | hellnest | hmm yeah looks weird :) |
| 05:37.47 | hellnest | apt is ok i guess... maybe something wrong with your local DSL |
| 05:37.55 | texel | Yeah, I wouldn't put it past my DSL. |
| 05:38.23 | texel | The thing that makes me wonder about apt-get, though is that during the d-i phase, it worked fine using the same hosts and the DSL as the resolver. |
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| 05:40.55 | texel | So out of random curiosity, what's the recommended way of disabling ipv6 in the debian world? |
| 05:41.25 | texel | In the past I'd just edit /etc/defaults/networking and set ENABLE_IPV6=no as well as adding a "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. |
| 05:42.09 | xk | zeitsofa: it should be 200*0.3 for production use. |
| 05:43.35 | hellnest | texel: you use squeeze or lenny? |
| 05:43.49 | texel | hellnest: just did a clean install of squeeze. |
| 05:44.07 | hellnest | this one should help you out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 05:44.27 | texel | Hah |
| 05:44.37 | texel | I was just looking at the wiki for KVM info. =op |
| 05:44.41 | texel | hellnest: thanks. |
| 05:44.41 | hellnest | i guess the AAAA issue also because the ipv6 :) |
| 05:45.07 | hellnest | texel: ur welcome |
| 05:45.08 | texel | Well, according to xk, the debian libc resolver always looks for AAAA records. |
| 05:45.17 | texel | Regardless of whether or not it can use them. |
| 05:45.26 | hellnest | ic |
| 05:45.51 | texel | Actually, that makes sense to me because we ran into the same stupidity at my previous place of employment. |
| 05:47.29 | texel | kinda wishes Debian would ship with ipv6 off by default until the world is ready for the Big Switch(tm). |
| 05:51.00 | zeitsofa | xk: 200*0,3=600 - i sad roundabout 670 - I'm not a hero in mental arithmetic. |
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| 05:57.25 | texel | ...WHY does nut depend on bash-completion?! |
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| 05:59.28 | texel | Ah. New behavior in apt-get -- Recommends are auto-installed. |
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| 06:08.09 | xk | zeitsofa: you're thinking 200 / 0.3, not * :) |
| 06:08.19 | xk | zeitsofa: 200 * 0.3 == 60 |
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| 06:09.39 | Bushmills | " I'm not a hero in mental arithmetics..." one can tell |
| 06:11.02 | zeitsofa | xk: ok - thanks |
| 06:14.32 | texel | W00T! Sqeeze's version of screen supports vertical splits! |
| 06:16.34 | peterrooney | now if only it would support ncurses. |
| 06:16.35 | JairunCaloth | that patch finally made it in? |
| 06:16.39 | texel | Apparently. |
| 06:17.06 | texel | peterrooney: I generally don't have a problem with ncurses apps -- weechat-curses works fine. |
| 06:17.32 | texel | peterrooney: generally didn't have problems with them in previous versions in stable, either. |
| 06:17.42 | texel | peterrooney: perhaps TERM or a screen config is set wrong? |
| 06:18.36 | JairunCaloth | yeah, I don't really have problems with ncurses and screen |
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| 06:20.02 | peterrooney | TERM is `screen' and alsaconf always looks, well, wrong. if I didn't know what my sound card was, it would be unuseable. |
| 06:21.46 | dennister | k, so someone's awake...am thinking of giving debian another try...getting fedup with current distribution, lenny still current version? |
| 06:22.06 | texel | dennister: lenny == stable, squeeze == testing, at least until we make the Big Switch(tm). |
| 06:22.29 | peterrooney | !squeeze pool |
| 06:22.29 | dpkg | See <squeeze pool 1> and <squeeze pool 2> for bets placed on when Squeeze will release. To add one, ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 06:22.37 | peterrooney | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 06:22.37 | dpkg | ! macrobat=2010-12-13 aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 craigevil=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 rmayorga=2011-01-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 06:22.38 | dennister | when we were using debian before, k3b didn't seem to be available, it is now? |
| 06:22.46 | peterrooney | dennister: yep |
| 06:22.52 | peterrooney | s/yep/yes |
| 06:23.04 | dennister | and it wasn't 9-10 months ago? |
| 06:23.05 | macrobat | yes, i was a week early :( |
| 06:23.39 | dennister | why the change of heart? |
| 06:23.41 | jelly-home | ,versions k3b |
| 06:23.43 | judd | Package k3b on i386 -- etch: 0.12.17-8; lenny: 1.0.5-3; squeeze: 2.0.0-1; sid: 2.0.1-1 |
| 06:24.54 | dennister | wierd...like i said, back in march/april i tried to install it on debian lenny, but k3b wasn't available in repositories |
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| 06:26.05 | texel | wonders why syslog-ng isn't the default yet... O.o |
| 06:27.13 | dennister | i'm just getting sooooo fed up with ubuntu...all this emphasis on facebook, cloud, ubuntu tunes store...am wondering if canonical is going after all the idiots :P |
| 06:27.29 | texel | dennister: not idiots -- just not you. |
| 06:27.55 | dennister | heheheh...it seems i've just outgrown it |
| 06:28.00 | texel | dennister: I had the same "holy crap" moment the last time I tried to do a distribution upgrade which rendered gcc incapable of creating output files without segfaulting. |
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| 06:29.04 | dennister | i'm still on hardy here, have jaunty on a coupla machines, but they're not supporting jaunty anymore and i refuse to go up to their newere versions |
| 06:29.20 | texel | nods |
| 06:29.30 | texel | IIRC, I was on Jaunty and was looking at upgrading to Karmic. |
| 06:29.41 | texel | They really need to sort out their distribution upgrade process. O.o |
| 06:30.36 | dennister | yeah...too fast and furious...developer's heaven i guess, don't want to support stuff, just always want to do the newer so they can learn new stuff |
| 06:31.02 | dennister | fix what you've already developed b4 you go on to the newest for the sake of newest |
| 06:31.02 | texel | I just see it as a redhat-ism. |
| 06:31.13 | texel | They're pushing for the newest things for every release. |
| 06:31.25 | texel | Which leads to redhat-like "patch like hell" modes. |
| 06:31.33 | dennister | yeah, and every six months is too often |
| 06:31.44 | texel | looks at the past redhat + gcc vs. mplayer debacles |
| 06:32.02 | dennister | i want stability |
| 06:32.15 | texel | Definitely sounds like you want debian stable. =op |
| 06:32.33 | texel | I dunno. |
| 06:32.40 | texel | I'm kinda on the fence about Debian atm. =o/ |
| 06:32.51 | texel | The decision to remove non-free blobs from the kernel is concerning. |
| 06:33.06 | texel | Especially for enterprise users. |
| 06:33.32 | dennister | yeah, but then again, a linux non-profit i founded cured me of wanting the always-learning-linux obsession |
| 06:34.01 | texel | Yet here I am, hacking together a fleet of Debian squeeze boxen. =op |
| 06:34.21 | dennister | =op? |
| 06:34.24 | jelly-home | texel: not really, as long as they're in non-free repo and as long as it's being distributed right along Debian |
| 06:34.38 | texel | dennister: Ah, sorry -- it's my equivalent of ":-p". |
| 06:34.51 | texel | jelly-home: But what about d-i? |
| 06:35.01 | dennister | k,,,i'm not a real techie |
| 06:35.14 | texel | dennister: It's an emoticon. |
| 06:35.16 | dennister | non-free blobs? |
| 06:35.23 | peterrooney | texel: what's the particular concern for enterprise users? |
| 06:35.24 | jelly-home | texel: enterprise users can deal with installation issues |
| 06:35.31 | texel | jelly-home: Doesn't this decision basically add several steps to making an install that would require a non-free blob for drivers? |
| 06:35.53 | texel | My concern arises from some drivers that can't be fully parted from their blobs. |
| 06:36.09 | dennister | what's a non-free blob? |
| 06:36.17 | peterrooney | texel: and this affects enterprise users... how? |
| 06:36.41 | texel | peterrooney: enterprise sysadmins, really. Not end-users. =op |
| 06:36.42 | jelly-home | texel: well, I only care about broadcom ethernet and qlogic hba, and they work well after firmware is installed |
| 06:36.51 | peterrooney | dennister: a firmware part of a kernel module whose source is not freely available |
| 06:37.23 | jelly-home | texel: do you know any particular enterprise hardware drivers that are completely broken by this? |
| 06:37.40 | texel | jelly-home: at the moment, no, because it's been a while since I've used Debian in an enterprise environment. |
| 06:37.48 | dennister | thx...I just want to install the os and have things working...much as I complain about ubuntu now, at least it's not as painful to install as gentoo |
| 06:37.50 | texel | jelly-home: my latest installed base is all CentOS and such. =op |
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| 06:38.17 | iluminator101 | is there a program that converts a pic to binary code? |
| 06:38.25 | pierrep | hi i solved my problem with hdmi and sound thanks anyway to the guy that answer me :) |
| 06:38.38 | jelly-home | texel: I'm using it daily and don't see many issues; haven't tried squeeze yet but the backported kernel bits, and they Just Work |
| 06:38.50 | texel | jelly-home: That's good to hear. |
| 06:39.20 | texel | jelly-home: any experience using Debian on an HP system with their weird cciss RAID controllers at all? |
| 06:39.26 | jelly-home | texel: it works |
| 06:39.26 | peterrooney | dennister: /msg dpkg blob |
| 06:39.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell texel abotu proliant |
| 06:40.04 | peterrooney | texel: have one proliant that handles fine |
| 06:40.05 | dennister | next question: the lenny version I have is one I burned almost a year ago, should I burn another one or will the old one work without days of upgrades? |
| 06:40.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell texel about proliant |
| 06:40.28 | texel | jelly-home: Thanks. |
| 06:40.31 | texel | jelly-home: Good to know. |
| 06:40.52 | texel | jelly-home: Sadly, I won't have a chance to give it a try -- my department is shutting down. |
| 06:41.02 | texel | jelly-home: But good to know, nonetheless. |
| 06:41.05 | dennister | oh wait...I may have given that cd to that non-profit...word to the wise folks: never start a non-profit...you'll be sorry |
| 06:41.13 | peterrooney | that proliant factoid is surprising. i had no idea such things might be necessary when I installed. |
| 06:41.30 | jelly-home | HP is one of the rare vendors that actually provides their utilities in packages for Debian (even if they're somewhat buggy packages) |
| 06:43.18 | jelly-home | peterrooney: you need hpacucli at the very least, to be able to monitor the raid array state on models that use cciss driver |
| 06:43.25 | texel | dennister: why? O.o |
| 06:44.34 | peterrooney | well, the install Just Worked, and my raid monitoring is just fine. Now I'm nervous. I've got to go check on it... |
| 06:45.19 | dennister | most people who've done what i did (start it up) say the same thing as I: never again...as soon as you've done the heavy work the others will takeover and grab the credit |
| 06:45.20 | peterrooney | texel: non profits may be fun, but there's no money in it. |
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| 06:45.45 | texel | giggles |
| 06:46.12 | dennister | no, most people who want to run a non-profit do it for a short time, get it on their resume (that they've done it, even if they haven't) and then get a massive consulting rate increase |
| 06:46.48 | dennister | same reason most lawyers go into politics for a short time...to get back in private sector later for lots more $ |
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| 06:47.47 | dennister | and why the telecom execs take a pay cut to join crtc for a coupla years, then double their income going back to telecoms |
| 06:48.50 | dennister | I hate politicians...and there's way too many of them in the non-profits...passive-aggressive fraudsters |
| 06:50.04 | dennister | now i'm stuck writing legal briefs to expose the fraudsters when I'd much rather be doing almost anything else |
| 06:51.20 | dennister | and my systems here are so diseased, they need software changed, but I'm afraid to because I might lose my files/functionality |
| 06:51.40 | dennister | get the picture? heheheh |
| 06:52.46 | dennister | next question: the lenny version I have is one I burned almost a year ago, should I burn another one or will the old one work without days of upgrades? |
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| 06:54.06 | mxmx | how can I reset the root password for my server using winscp? |
| 06:54.29 | jelly-home | dennister: I think you're going to get upgrades anyway if you have an internet connection at the time of the installation |
| 06:54.53 | dennister | oh shoot...i did give the burned one to the non-profit; can't find it here |
| 06:55.19 | tharkun | dennister: then your problem is solved, download a new image ;P |
| 06:55.37 | texel | dennister: at least it wasn't a USB flash drive. O.o |
| 06:55.49 | dennister | yeah...it's a dvd, right? i think i only have one blank one left |
| 06:56.08 | jelly-home | !netinst |
| 06:56.08 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 06:56.12 | texel | dennister: Is there any reason why you need a full DVD? |
| 06:56.16 | texel | dennister: Just use a netinst. |
| 06:57.36 | dennister | thank god i've got a space pc...one of the reasons i don't like to risk a minimal install is that this machine's internet connection conks out too often |
| 06:57.53 | dennister | i normally like minimal install cds |
| 06:58.33 | dennister | of course, the conking out could be because this hardy install is so diseased |
| 06:58.57 | iluminator101 | the screensaver lock does not activate? |
| 06:59.08 | dennister | sorry, i was confusing debian with fedora when I mentioned dvd |
| 06:59.30 | texel | Fedora? O.o |
| 06:59.33 | texel | shudders |
| 06:59.56 | dennister | yeah, yeah...i've installed lots of different distros over the last 5 years or so |
| 07:00.02 | texel | Me too. |
| 07:00.34 | dennister | texel: you a paid techie? as i said, i was doing it for free with the non-profit |
| 07:00.52 | texel | Fedora and CentOS both have a nice little dusty and dark corner in my heart. |
| 07:00.59 | dennister | but now I've gone off the techie-obsessions |
| 07:01.03 | texel | dennister: I'm a paid sysadmin with J.D. Power. |
| 07:01.11 | texel | dennister: But I run my own enterprise at home. |
| 07:01.44 | dennister | k...yeah, i had quite the lab, when it was being run out of my home...then we moved it to the factory |
| 07:03.09 | dennister | jd power is where? |
| 07:03.18 | texel | Everywhere? =op |
| 07:03.27 | texel | I'm actually in .co.us |
| 07:03.41 | dennister | k colorado, u mean? |
| 07:03.44 | texel | Yep. |
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| 07:04.37 | nirazio | how to install opsview?? |
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| 07:06.55 | zeitsofa | nirazio: try this http://docs.opsview.com/doku.php?id=opsview3.0:debian-installation |
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| 07:10.25 | dennister | k, this is really wierd...all of a sudden it seemed as if someone else logged on with my registered nic |
| 07:10.56 | dennister | texel: have you even seen this before |
| 07:11.10 | dennister | ? |
| 07:11.23 | texel | dennister: You mean your handle? |
| 07:11.27 | dennister | yeah |
| 07:11.36 | texel | dennister: Did you register it with the nickserv? |
| 07:11.41 | dennister | yes |
| 07:11.59 | texel | dennister: I keep running into folks that ignore nickserv's warnings about how mine is registered and regularly have to ghost them. =o/ |
| 07:12.19 | texel | dennister: it shouldn't matter -- you were here first. =op |
| 07:12.56 | dennister | i know...so i'm here with my reg nic, and all of a sudden konvesation is switching my nick to an unregistered one |
| 07:13.03 | texel | Weird. |
| 07:13.12 | texel | That shouldn't happen unless there's a conflict. |
| 07:13.19 | dennister | conflict? |
| 07:13.30 | texel | You did end up getting shot in the head earlier due to a ping timeout. |
| 07:13.50 | texel | So you might have rejoined the network before it had a chance to kick your previous connection. |
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| 07:14.19 | texel | Which would result in two connections trying to use the same nick. |
| 07:14.24 | dennister | k, i think i understand that, and it could be part and parcel of my overall network problem here |
| 07:14.28 | texel | nods |
| 07:15.20 | dennister | setup: one 2wire mode/router combo, 2-3 computers connected; sometimes this internet connection just dies all of a sudden |
| 07:15.56 | texel | Not sure what a 2wire mode/router combo is. O.o |
| 07:16.14 | peterrooney | dennister: that's normal for telus |
| 07:17.02 | dennister | 2wire is dsl modem...i'm not on telus...called my isp the other day and they said i was logging on and off often, even though I wasn't, looked like my 2wire was trying to get two ip addresses with one machine |
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| 07:17.28 | dennister | 2 ip addresses with the one modem that is |
| 07:17.58 | texel | dennister: sounds like you need to force 2wire to fix the issue. |
| 07:18.07 | texel | dennister: unless you own the DSL, that is. |
| 07:18.32 | dennister | i own the dsl? 2wire is a piece of hardware, my isp is teksavvy.com |
| 07:18.59 | dennister | how can i force a piece of hardware to fix the problem? |
| 07:19.15 | peterrooney | I have seen 2wire routers create braindamaged setups. they'll assign their own external ip to an internal machine. |
| 07:19.17 | texel | dennister: Oops -- sorry. s/2wire/teksavvy.com/ |
| 07:19.40 | texel | Okay, so what the heck -- how do you change a TDB password with samba 3.5? O.o |
| 07:19.48 | texel | smbpasswd doesn't seem to exist anymore. |
| 07:20.11 | dennister | peterrooney: can you pls explain "braindamaged setups"" |
| 07:20.41 | dennister | ? |
| 07:20.50 | texel | dennister: "braindamaged" generally means "horribly broken" or "really bad". |
| 07:21.05 | texel | dennister: he means that the 2wire itself is possibly doing stupid things. |
| 07:21.45 | dennister | k, with my connection? not my computer setups? |
| 07:21.55 | texel | nods |
| 07:22.23 | texel | Argh. |
| 07:22.31 | texel | Okay, so that's one thing that ticks me off. |
| 07:22.36 | dennister | my problem is that i've tried so many modems over the years, and even brand new ones keep screwing up |
| 07:22.59 | dennister | even the new speedtouch 516 i bought for the non=profit died within 3 months |
| 07:23.04 | texel | Why in G-d's name is samba split up into seven separate packages? =o/ |
| 07:23.14 | texel | smbpasswd apparently is in samba-common-bin. |
| 07:23.52 | dennister | that's another reason i'm avoiding doing the upgrade: don't want to have to screw around with samba again :( |
| 07:23.54 | texel | And samba-common-bin isn't in samba's Suggests or Recommends lists. |
| 07:24.34 | dennister | samba still works here when both main machines when I'm using gnome on both, but not kde :( |
| 07:24.58 | texel | Really. If you're installing samba, the /server/, it kinda makes sense to at least recommend utilities central to its functioning. O.o |
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| 07:25.21 | dennister | and cifs? that's crap |
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| 07:25.57 | dennister | this one's a samba server, but why would it stop working with kde all of a sudden, and not gnome? |
| 07:27.41 | dennister | just doesn't make sense...but yes, i can see that the 2wire is probably the cause of my troubles...i had another modem and router working for awhile, then that died, and all of a sudden the 2wire worked perfectly again, and now it's dying again....<argh> |
| 07:28.09 | dennister | i think they need to rest everyone once in a while :) |
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| 07:29.45 | dennister | oh well, i'm tired of whining...think I'll get enraged by watching friday's epidsode of democracrynow.org, heheheh |
| 07:30.04 | dennister | long live julian assange! |
| 07:30.31 | dennister | texel: thx for your help, good night |
| 07:30.52 | CyberDomovoy | i have a trouble using bzr to branch on a nfs mount, ("bzr branch ...", $(pwd) is a nf mounted directory), i get an error saying "Could not acquire lock ... No locks available", googling it told me it is a trouble with nfs locking. But, i have lockd running on both client and server, i tried doing a "mount -o remount,nolock" for my nfs mount, but it tells me "an incorrect mount option was specified" (???). Any idea? |
| 07:30.54 | texel | dennister: g'night. |
| 07:31.44 | CyberDomovoy | s/a nf mounted/a nfs mounted/ |
| 07:35.44 | texel | So, now that I've reported a bug about how samba should recommend samba-common-bin, does anyone know why the hell we now have a samba-common-bin in the first place? |
| 07:36.00 | texel | ...and why it contains the man page for smb.conf instead of samba? |
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| 07:37.53 | xk | check the reverse depends |
| 07:38.12 | texel | xk: how does one do that? O.o |
| 07:38.22 | xk | apt-cache showpkg <pkg> |
| 07:38.25 | texel | xk: I've never had to do such a thing on Debian. O.o |
| 07:38.26 | texel | Ah, right. |
| 07:38.28 | xk | or apt-rdepends <pkg> |
| 07:39.00 | xk | i guess common-bin exists if you only want client or server. |
| 07:39.27 | xk | but why there is no(?) depend for it... I dont know |
| 07:39.46 | texel | Yeah, it's weird. |
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| 07:40.04 | texel | THe part about the manpage being in samba-common-bin makes absolutely no sense to me in either case. |
| 07:40.18 | texel | Anything that uses samba has to read /etc/samba/smb.conf anyway. |
| 07:40.23 | texel | So not including the manpage seems rather broken. |
| 07:40.33 | texel | man even complains about it: |
| 07:40.36 | texel | man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man5/smb.conf.5.gz: No such file or directory |
| 07:41.03 | texel | shrugs |
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| 07:46.17 | tp76 | Now how do I install libdvdcss on Debian 5? Information I find seems to be about 4 years old and I can only find svn repositories. I've contrib non-free in sources.lst. |
| 07:49.57 | tp76 | OK, debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:50.01 | tp76 | *sigh* |
| 07:50.31 | peterrooney | !dmm |
| 07:50.31 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 07:59.33 | skinder | i have a working debian system. how do i create a livecd with an exact copy of my debian? |
| 08:05.34 | zeitsofa | skinder: take a bit of syslinux doku and something about http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/. yes you can, but's a little bit work for you to get it. |
| 08:06.11 | skinder | thanks |
| 08:06.28 | zeitsofa | u're welcome! |
| 08:06.55 | texel | So now that we have the fancy new dependency RC order, what's the recommended way for sysadmins to enable services for each runlevel? |
| 08:07.05 | texel | The same old sysv-rc-conf? |
| 08:08.23 | zeitsofa | man update-rc.d should help. |
| 08:08.37 | texel | Oooh. |
| 08:08.41 | texel | So update-rc.d grew up. |
| 08:08.47 | texel | Nice! |
| 08:09.33 | texel | Used to be that update-rc.d was left for Debian maintainers and sysadmins were left with other tools. |
| 08:09.39 | texel | Thanks, zeitsofa. |
| 08:10.03 | zeitsofa | np :) |
| 08:11.02 | texel | Hm. Seems it's still missing feature parity with chkconfig, sadly. |
| 08:11.31 | texel | Ie: no 'update-rc.d service list' to see which runlevels a service is enabled for. |
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| 08:12.40 | cahoot | rcconf? |
| 08:12.54 | texel | Does rcconf know about the dependency boot ordering? O.o |
| 08:14.24 | texel | Hm. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about that, actually. |
| 08:15.23 | zeitsofa | texel: ls -a /etc/rc*.d/*startscripname* is to heavy for use? |
| 08:15.33 | texel | Eh, not really. |
| 08:15.39 | texel | Just annoying is all. |
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| 08:25.16 | _ProGammer | Hey Debian ;) |
| 08:25.34 | texel | Yo, Gammer. |
| 08:26.23 | CyberDomovoy | i have a trouble using bzr to branch on a nfs mount, ("bzr branch ...", $(pwd) is a nfs mounted directory), i get an error saying "Could not acquire lock ... No locks available", googling it told me it is a trouble with nfs locking. But, i have lockd running on both client and server, and "mount -o remount,nolock" for my nfs mount tells me "an incorrect mount option was specified" (???). Any idea? |
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| 08:31.49 | texel | <3 dependency based booting |
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| 08:44.17 | zeromus | suppose you have a server which only runs sshd and vmware and you love its rock solid never-failingness. would you upgrade the kernel when apt-get upgrade recommends it? |
| 08:44.41 | texel | zeromus: are you running stable? |
| 08:44.49 | texel | zeromus: Or rather, are you running Debian Lenny? |
| 08:45.30 | zeromus | i am running etch |
| 08:45.47 | Arrowmaster | upgrade to lenny |
| 08:45.52 | texel | dpkg: tell zeromus etch->lenny |
| 08:46.03 | texel | dpkg: tell zeromus about etch->lenny |
| 08:46.35 | zeromus | would you do that to an otherwise untroublesome machine which is colocated far away? |
| 08:46.37 | texel | zeromus: etch isn't even on the Debian mirrors at this point. O.o |
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| 08:46.57 | texel | zeromus: unless that machine is running software that needs a specific ancient version of system software, yes. |
| 08:47.04 | Arrowmaster | yes, etch nolonger gets security updates so you should not be running it |
| 08:47.59 | texel | zeromus: running etch can be dangerous. |
| 08:48.26 | zeromus | can the OS just sitting there with nothing but ssh open be dangerous? i suppose it can if its not getting ssh updates anymore. |
| 08:48.36 | texel | zeromus: precisely. |
| 08:48.40 | Arrowmaster | if you are running an exim mail server on that box i wouldnt be surprised if it was already rooted |
| 08:48.59 | texel | zeromus: more dangerously, though, the kernel has had several rather nasty remotely triggerable security bugs as well. |
| 08:49.12 | zeromus | eh ok. ill do it asap. thanks for the advice. |
| 08:49.20 | texel | zeromus: good luck! |
| 08:49.44 | zeromus | at least if the system melts down i can get an os on a new disk and mount the vms on the old disk |
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| 08:50.32 | xingu | provisioning is a continuous process, not a oneshot. :) |
| 08:50.53 | texel | nods |
| 08:51.07 | zeromus | ugh i cant handle continuous process. im the guy that says 'FINE ill do it' when everyone stands around looking at each other |
| 08:51.15 | texel | It is wise to split provisioning up across multiple boxen, too. |
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| 08:51.24 | texel | Helps to divvy up the responsibility. |
| 08:51.36 | texel | So situations like that don't occur as much. =o) |
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| 08:51.56 | texel | zeromus: early on in my sysadmin career I was that person. =op |
| 08:52.07 | texel | zeromus: So I feel your pain. |
| 08:52.10 | xingu | zeromus: I'd do a little more research on the vmware front too; such as - is lenny on its support list, is *it* outdated/in need of patching too, etc. |
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| 08:53.37 | xingu | zeromus: depending on the iron you're running on it might be an idea to also update to current raid/NIC/bios etc firmware. |
| 08:54.07 | texel | xingu: eh. I'd argue that point. =op |
| 08:54.21 | xingu | texel: they're just as likely to have data gobbling bugs. |
| 08:54.30 | texel | xingu: BIOS and NICs generally don't need updating as often as distros. |
| 08:54.46 | texel | xingu: and if you're not doing RAID, chances are you don't need it anyway. =op |
| 08:54.47 | zeitsofa | zeromus: i have some old etch etch systems (no offline) and the most of them are exploitable. it's time to update your system \o/ |
| 08:55.02 | xingu | texel: opportunities to bring the hypervisor down come around as rarely as bios updates. :) |
| 08:55.05 | zeitsofa | now offline i mean |
| 08:55.14 | texel | xingu: Point. |
| 08:55.40 | texel | xingu: Still, I question the value (and pain) of doing a BIOS update or swapping NICs. |
| 08:56.07 | texel | xingu: Though the box's birthday may cause problems long before someone needs to update either. =op |
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| 08:56.19 | xingu | texel: "depending on iron"; once you move into the arena of reference xeon designs you'll get to feel the love too. |
| 08:56.49 | texel | xingu: been there, done that -- thankfully my corp was in a situation where we could just swap the hardware out with a whole new box. |
| 08:57.02 | texel | xingu: things were rather plug and play w.r.t. hardware. |
| 08:57.27 | zeromus | my etch is certainly not up to date. there is at least the kernel update remaining. should i reboot after that, before the lenny dist-upgrade? |
| 08:57.39 | texel | zeromus: screw the kernel update. |
| 08:58.03 | zeromus | it suggests binutils, gnupg, gpgv, and kernel |
| 08:58.05 | texel | zeromus: you have a distribution upgrade that needs to happen -- the minor updates you'll get from where you're at to the current etch aren't going to help. |
| 08:58.06 | Arrowmaster | you should have it up to date before trying to upgrade |
| 08:58.28 | texel | shuts up |
| 08:58.31 | xingu | texel: my personal favourite is raid bios bugs along the lines of "hmm, maybe the best way to handle a port reset *isn't* to start booting random pv's out of lv's" |
| 08:59.10 | zeromus | i see the wisdom of having it up to date, at least from the standpoint of that being the most tested upgrade scenario. im just wondering if the currently running kernel version matters. |
| 08:59.29 | xingu | texel: then there's the ones that are triggered by what the bios actually does when it hits a hard error during a background scrubber run. :) |
| 08:59.58 | texel | xingu: Okay, I'll buy that. |
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| 09:00.13 | texel | xingu: I've never run into that scenario before, so I'm afraid I wouldn't consider it. |
| 09:00.17 | texel | xingu: Good to know, though. |
| 09:00.28 | Internat | howdy all, is there a way to make apt/aptitude tell me why a package is being held back? |
| 09:01.42 | Arrowmaster | Internat: try aptitude why packagename |
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| 09:07.06 | superlinux | hi. I cannot access my login thru ssh from outside. I get this always: Permission denied (publickey,password). |
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| 09:12.38 | daishadar | um, i need some help to see if one of my machines was rooted |
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| 09:13.28 | daishadar | one of the strange things that is happening is sshd and ssh are no longer g+rx,u+rx and they are marked as immutable |
| 09:13.31 | homie | mine is always rooted |
| 09:13.39 | homie | or rather automatically rooted |
| 09:13.42 | homie | lol |
| 09:13.44 | daishadar | ha |
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| 09:14.21 | daishadar | i ran chkrootkit and rkhunter and they didn't pick up anything, but something suspicious is going on |
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| 09:15.02 | homie | no wonder |
| 09:15.33 | superlinux | hi |
| 09:15.33 | homie | these days it seems the network stack being rooted is alone sufficient |
| 09:15.37 | Bushmills | daishadar: ssh logins per password? root logins enabled? sshd on port 22? |
| 09:15.55 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.32 | acemi | superlinux: is username correct? |
| 09:16.37 | superlinux | yep! |
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| 09:16.46 | daishadar | Bushmills: yes to all 3 I believe |
| 09:17.00 | Arrowmaster | daishadar: if you didnt set them to immutable then yeah youre likely rooted |
| 09:17.07 | Bushmills | daishadar: root password something like "secret" or "root" or such? |
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| 09:17.30 | daishadar | Bushmills: I'm technically not the admin here, just have admin access, do i dunno WTH they used at the root password |
| 09:17.50 | Bushmills | daishadar: the combination of three "yes" to these questions spells for troubles |
| 09:17.52 | superlinux | i am trying to use the external IP , my modem's , which has portforwarding also correct, but I still cannot access. connection is perfectly correct |
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| 09:18.14 | daishadar | Bushmills: i see. yeah if it was my choice i would have at least set permitrootlogin no |
| 09:18.25 | daishadar | well, shitballs |
| 09:18.26 | superlinux | let me check the modem |
| 09:18.32 | superlinux | maybe missing info |
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| 09:19.28 | superlinux | sorry to bother you. missing forwarding to internal IP |
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| 09:22.56 | Tobias| | When I try to play music from a 'radio' station in Rhythmbox (on debian, of course), I get the message 'Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in' |
| 09:23.16 | Tobias| | I've googled for a while but can only find ubuntu-oriented support, which recommends installing ubuntu-restricted-codecs or something along those lines |
| 09:24.12 | cahoot | Tobias|: maybe gstreamer-plugins-ugly or such? |
| 09:24.29 | daishadar | some dummy questions about being rooted. how difficult would it be to get a user's ssh/login password? i mean you'd have to crack the shadow file or the user's private key which would be very difficult correct? |
| 09:24.52 | Bushmills | not that difficult, but depends on quality of passwords |
| 09:25.06 | Tobias| | Say whaat? :O |
| 09:25.14 | Tobias| | I thought I already had that installed. Installing now, cahoot. Thanks :) |
| 09:25.16 | daishadar | Bushmills: assume something like a 20 string password with all chars utilized... |
| 09:25.23 | Bushmills | the more, the easier. from a passwd list of about 20 passwords, i had 6 within half an hour |
| 09:25.58 | daishadar | i'm just worried about my own :) |
| 09:26.03 | Bushmills | those weren't high quality, though. internet cafe :) |
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| 09:30.30 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to install xen-utils-common on squeeze but I get "Starting Xen daemons: xenfsmount: unknown filesystem type 'xenfs' failed!" Any idea? |
| 09:30.51 | vlt | ... from dpkg |
| 09:31.11 | vlt | erm, I mean, I get this error dron the install process using aptitude |
| 09:31.29 | vlt | dron is the new from |
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| 09:34.42 | superlinux | hi again. i still cannot ssh |
| 09:35.13 | superlinux | even though i fixed the port forwarding on my modem |
| 09:35.51 | vtts | how do you know that you fixed it? |
| 09:35.56 | Bushmills | ssh -vvv might tell you why |
| 09:36.07 | acemi | superlinux: does ssh from local work? |
| 09:36.26 | acemi | superlinux: if you are near the machine |
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| 09:37.17 | superlinux | let me check. I can by now do "ssh localhost" ... silly ha? |
| 09:37.20 | pythoned | Hi is there anyone here that has an ati card and is willing me to help debug why my drivers don't start? I have an ati hd4330 card on my laptop. |
| 09:38.44 | hid3 | Morning everyone. Sorry for some offtopic question but still this is related to a system running debian ;-) Maybe someone has got DDR1 400 MHz ECC memory for sale? I need 2x512MB or 2x1GB sticks... |
| 09:44.12 | superlinux | acemi, yes I can access it from within my network. I have just tested it |
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| 09:44.49 | vtts | superlinux, so back to the first question, how do you know that you fixed port forwarding? |
| 09:45.08 | acemi | superlinux: check the gateway too |
| 09:51.40 | Tobias| | I'm relatively certain that I've now installed every gstreamer plugin in debian's repos, but I still get "Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in." when I try to stream radio. Still doing something wrong, by the looks :? |
| 09:53.52 | homie | did you restart gnome ? |
| 09:53.54 | homie | or kde ? |
| 09:54.06 | homie | the plugins rescanned ? |
| 09:54.16 | Tobias| | I've restarted rythmbox |
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| 09:55.42 | homie | that may not be sufficient, i don't know |
| 09:56.19 | Tobias| | Seems over the top to restart gnome |
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| 09:56.53 | homie | or start gconf or some such, i don't know where the plugins are rescanned in gnome that's all |
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| 10:00.40 | superlinux | vtts, this router-modem is a Linux router: DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh to:192.168.1.4 |
| 10:00.56 | superlinux | this is from the iptables line |
| 10:01.15 | Tobias| | Nothing, homie |
| 10:01.17 | Tobias| | Can't be that |
| 10:01.21 | Tobias| | The plugin's missing |
| 10:01.28 | Tobias| | If only we knew which one :') |
| 10:02.22 | vtts | superlinux, looks like a wrong rule |
| 10:02.33 | pythoned | Does someone know how can I stop debian installer to choose automatically for me amd64 kernel even thou the dvd is i386? |
| 10:03.31 | vtts | superlinux, from the looks, even connections from local network would be forwarded to your local machine |
| 10:04.10 | superlinux | vtts, i am listening to you |
| 10:04.19 | vtts | superlinux, run a tcpdump on your router and try to ssh-in from outside |
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| 10:05.13 | Tobias| | aha |
| 10:05.21 | vtts | superlinux, e.g. tcpdump -ni ethX port 22 |
| 10:05.28 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:05.30 | vtts | where ethX is your outside interface |
| 10:05.33 | Arrowmaster | pythoned: get an amd64 dvd |
| 10:05.38 | Tobias| | Rhythmbox-Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|rhythmbox|text/html decoder|decoder-text/html |
| 10:05.45 | vtts | superlinux, fillter other ssh sessions if needed |
| 10:06.11 | vtts | then pastebin the output |
| 10:06.47 | pythoned | Arrowmaster: I asked if it's possible to STOP debian installer(I have an I386 dvd) to automatically install the amd64 kernel. I don't want it, I want the i386 kernel. |
| 10:07.05 | vtts | pythoned, use expert install mode |
| 10:07.29 | Arrowmaster | why would the i386 dvd even have an amd64 kernel on it |
| 10:07.31 | vtts | asks more questions, but gives a chance to choose too :) |
| 10:07.39 | superlinux | vtts, it's a Dlink DSL modem-router. |
| 10:08.03 | pythoned | vtts: Oups, forgot that one, well I sort of ignored it since I'm not an expert...haha...thanks |
| 10:08.07 | superlinux | so my tools are liitle |
| 10:08.55 | pythoned | Arrowmaster: Debian installer detects what cpu you have and based upon the cpu it automatically installs the amd64 kernel...if you cpu can handle 64 bit instruction obviously... |
| 10:08.59 | vtts | superlinux, pastebin all firewall rules |
| 10:09.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:11.03 | superlinux | vtts, http://pastebin.com/tj0qjMQE |
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| 10:13.16 | vtts | superlinux, does www to your inside-box work? |
| 10:13.31 | superlinux | yes! it does |
| 10:13.52 | superlinux | vtts, try www.superlinux.net |
| 10:13.57 | vtts | it's ok |
| 10:14.10 | superlinux | "it works" should appear |
| 10:14.13 | vtts | do you have any firewall set up on local box? |
| 10:15.16 | vtts | iptables -L doesn't provide interfaces, so i guess your roules on the modem are interface limited and should be ok |
| 10:16.03 | vtts | superlinux, paste the "netstat -nltp; iptables -nvL" from localbox |
| 10:17.26 | superlinux | vtts, does the use of dyndns.org has an effect? |
| 10:17.48 | vtts | it should not if you connect to the right host/ip |
| 10:17.59 | superlinux | http://pastebin.com/trBQRbi8 |
| 10:18.16 | vtts | iptables -nvL |
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| 10:20.27 | mhi^ | Hey, is it possible to provide "Immediate-Configure" to aptitude on-the-fly? (just for one call) |
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| 10:21.53 | acemi | mhi^: do you mean to say auto yes to all questions? |
| 10:22.51 | superlinux | vtts, there is no netstat inside the modem. and I have no firewall running on my localbox. it's the same one i am chatting from with u |
| 10:24.04 | mhi^ | acemi: I don't think it's the same. I try to do that, because I got this error: http://ideone.com/TzCyj |
| 10:24.25 | vtts | superlinux, then could you paste once more rules with -nvL |
| 10:25.08 | superlinux | vtts, this one inside my chat box. |
| 10:25.30 | vtts | superlinux, i mean rules from modem |
| 10:25.31 | superlinux | http://pastebin.com/i40MFN1k |
| 10:25.36 | superlinux | ok sure |
| 10:25.58 | sethrd|Reinstall | Hey guys. Running Sid, since it's the only thing that will give me working audio, video, and wireless. Anywho, trying to get flashplugin-nonfree, but it says its not available but is referred to by another package. Not sure what to do from here to get it installed. |
| 10:26.22 | vtts | superlinux, how come 0 packets are accepted on your box? |
| 10:26.35 | superlinux | I donno! |
| 10:27.38 | superlinux | this is modem's http://pastebin.com/vBWpXGV7 |
| 10:28.27 | vtts | now try ssh'ing and paste again |
| 10:28.42 | vtts | with -nvL |
| 10:29.25 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:32.23 | superlinux | vtts, http://pastebin.com/mWppKZEP (local box + modem) |
| 10:33.39 | vtts | ok, most likely your provider drops ssh to you |
| 10:33.50 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:34.21 | vtts | try using different port |
| 10:34.32 | superlinux | vtts, same is FTP |
| 10:34.45 | superlinux | i'll see |
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| 10:35.14 | vtts | try for example modem:2022 -> 192.168.1.4:22 |
| 10:35.16 | az_ordog_maga | aloha linugz fans |
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| 10:37.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:37.22 | superlinux | i used 1234 |
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| 10:40.47 | superlinux | vtts, i changed the external port range to 2022. it says now , connxn refused |
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| 10:41.07 | vtts | ghm... |
| 10:41.20 | vtts | show modem rules |
| 10:42.14 | vtts | what is the RSA fingerprint of your local box ssh key? |
| 10:43.33 | superlinux | vtts, the modem is mapping correctly |
| 10:44.02 | superlinux | i have to ssh to the modem too. DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2022 to:192.168.1.4:22 |
| 10:44.02 | superlinux | REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2222 redir ports 22 |
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| 10:44.07 | vtts | do "ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub" on local machine |
| 10:44.56 | superlinux | 2048 0c:72:ad:99:26:0f:a7:ef:c7:24:2c:4a:07:1f:ed:50 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub (RSA) |
| 10:45.04 | vtts | it is connectable then |
| 10:45.24 | superlinux | mmm |
| 10:45.26 | az_ordog_maga | put here the secret key too:D |
| 10:45.33 | superlinux | hehehe! |
| 10:45.35 | vtts | http://pastebin.com/yTvnKZ5i |
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| 10:52.14 | superlinux | vtts, i think the modem wants to differentiate between access from outside and local network. cos you can connect, and I can't |
| 10:52.53 | vtts | well. the reules are setup that way, that DNAT only works for outside |
| 10:53.11 | vtts | s/reules/rules/ |
| 10:53.29 | superlinux | ok sure |
| 10:53.42 | superlinux | thanks for your time |
| 10:53.46 | vtts | np |
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| 11:04.06 | preller | how can i install the latest transmission bt on squeeze/sid? |
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| 11:08.32 | mcbane | hi |
| 11:09.10 | mcbane | what command would you use to get the first 50 lines of a stdout from a pipe? |
| 11:09.34 | Arrowmaster | head -50 |
| 11:09.51 | frostschutz | head -n 50? |
| 11:09.55 | mcbane | head, of course. Thanks :) Why did I miss it? |
| 11:10.02 | stew | preller: you can try '/msg dpkg uupdate' or wait. you should also consider checking to see if the wishlist bug has been filed against transmission asking for the maintainer to upload a new version |
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| 11:26.30 | lollisoft | Hi all! Did anybody know how could I power off and on a usb port to activate a harddrive? |
| 11:26.52 | Tobias| | What.. exactly .. what? O_o |
| 11:26.58 | Tobias| | Are you trying to mount a HDD? |
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| 11:27.39 | lollisoft | I have plugged a harddrive and then it is detected. But if I reboot the box, it is not detected. It is a sheeva plug computer. |
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| 11:28.04 | xk | wall adapter computer? |
| 11:28.15 | lollisoft | Yes. |
| 11:28.21 | xk | cool |
| 11:28.23 | xk | whats the specs |
| 11:28.42 | lollisoft | I plan to use it as my new server (to save energy) :-) |
| 11:28.53 | lollisoft | www.plugcomputer.org |
| 11:29.02 | xk | ok... when it boots... the usb device is not detected? |
| 11:29.05 | xk | or its not mounted? |
| 11:29.32 | lollisoft | The device /dev/sda6 is not available. Thus I can't mount. |
| 11:29.51 | xk | if you disconnect and reconnect, its ok? |
| 11:30.07 | xk | fdisk -l |
| 11:30.32 | lollisoft | Yes, that I have repeated some times and it works. At least until the drive spins down. |
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| 11:31.30 | lollisoft | fdisk -l returns no message and after that mount still doesn't work |
| 11:32.12 | xk | usb drive powered from sheeva? or external power? |
| 11:32.20 | lollisoft | The drive is a iomega 2.5" portable device, powered over USB and I have an active USB hub. |
| 11:32.51 | lollisoft | Active also means I have an external power supply |
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| 11:34.01 | xk | wouldnt know whats the prob |
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| 11:34.52 | lollisoft | That's it, I don't know if I could get rid of the prob when I put a system onto the external drive and boot from it. Will it keep spinning ? |
| 11:35.18 | xk | it will spin unless there is no access to it |
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| 11:35.54 | lollisoft | Ok, placing var to that drive would be a solution :-) |
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| 11:37.55 | lollisoft | Thanks, I will ask the sheeva group or mailing lists. |
| 11:37.57 | lollisoft | Bye |
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| 12:12.12 | damyan^ | hi, guys. i got a (probably not debian related) question: |
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| 12:14.02 | damyan^ | I got that pci wlan card (chipset: atheros AR5008, 168c:0023) and I'm trying to get it working in master mode with hostapd. I configured it and let it play, but no client "sees" the AP |
| 12:14.31 | damyan^ | (debian testing, hostapd 1:0.6.10-2) |
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| 12:15.08 | damyan^ | from server's log it all seems OK, running wpa2, no client gets the AP though |
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| 12:16.04 | damyan^ | I'll appreciate it, if someone has a hint for me. thanks! |
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| 12:16.36 | dutchfish | damyan^: are you sure this card isnt AR5416 as 168c:0023 denotes? |
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| 12:17.09 | damyan^ | 00:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0023] (rev 01) |
| 12:18.26 | dutchfish | damyan^: if so, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Atheros_5xxx |
| 12:18.32 | damyan^ | setting master mode works fine with hostapd (no iwconfig set master mode), I don't really have a clue what I'm doing wrong |
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| 12:19.11 | dutchfish | damyan^: so > 2.6.35 should work |
| 12:19.14 | damyan^ | I use debian's ath9k-driver |
| 12:19.17 | damyan^ | Oo. |
| 12:19.46 | dutchfish | damyan^: use longterm 2.6.35.10 |
| 12:19.46 | damyan^ | ok, kernel-compile. I read it should be working with >2.6.30 or something |
| 12:20.04 | dutchfish | damyan^: nope |
| 12:20.11 | damyan^ | dutchfish: thanks, I'll try installing that kernel. thanks! |
| 12:20.17 | dutchfish | damyan^: yw |
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| 12:23.42 | WormFood | is there a repository somewhere where I can get standard, stock linux kernels, without any debian specific mods? |
| 12:24.14 | ersoy | hello, how can i split my arcvihe files (on file-roller) ? thanks |
| 12:25.12 | AimHere | Well you can get the source tarballs from the likes of kernel.org or linux.org. Most debian source packages come in the form of a tarball of the original source and patch files for the debian mods, but I'm not sure that's the case for the kernel packages |
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| 12:26.31 | WormFood | I've compiled my own linux kernel packages before...it isn't that hard, just a little tricky to figure out what debian wants to make it into a package, if you're not fluent in that....I'm just trying to test a crashing issue i'm having...that appears to be in the kernel, just wanted a quick test is all |
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| 12:28.05 | WormFood | the other kernels that I've compiled into packages are too specific for that hardware I was using....so I'd have to start from scratch to make my own again (I started to do that, but didn't finish)....but right now, I was hoping to find a kernel, like what is used with debian (configured the same way), but without any debian specific patches |
| 12:30.22 | WormFood | and sometimes the debian maintainers do things that are not quite friendly with my hardware...like the way they configure the kernel, I can't use kismet with my prism54 wireless card |
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| 12:32.59 | thewanderer1 | hi. any ideas why chromium-browser binary takes 32MB? it's highly suspicious to me |
| 12:33.07 | damyan^ | strip :) |
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| 12:34.36 | blue_sky | does the net install CD iso contain fewer hardware drivers than the full CD? I ask because the net install CD could not see my network card (recent Mac Mini, card type not known to me) |
| 12:34.43 | deconvolution | help, my debian server box becomes very slow through my internal network (ssh/nfs/httpd etc.) and I didnt change anything so anyone has hints how to diagnose this problem? |
| 12:35.04 | WormFood | blue_sky, welcome to the wonderful world of debian |
| 12:35.11 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: because it's supposed to be smaller :P |
| 12:35.38 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: was that a WiFi card or ethernet? |
| 12:35.43 | WormFood | blue_sky, you need an unofficial boot cd...that has the fuckin firmware your computer needs to install debian (thanks debian maintainers for not giving us the god damn FREE firmware we need) |
| 12:35.47 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: ethernet |
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| 12:36.14 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: if it's free, it ends up on the CD, so it must not be free if it's not there :P |
| 12:36.42 | WormFood | it is free distributable firmware files for our hardware |
| 12:36.58 | thewanderer1 | still, non-free according to DFSG |
| 12:37.21 | WormFood | !firmware installer |
| 12:37.38 | thewanderer1 | deconvolution: launch top on the box and observe |
| 12:37.45 | WormFood | !firmware |
| 12:37.45 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 12:38.05 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: so, fewer drivers on netinst CD, or just fewer software packages? |
| 12:38.28 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: netinst should have all network drivers generally available to Debian installer |
| 12:38.38 | WormFood | blue_sky, the net install is designed to be installed over the network....so you don't have a CD/DVD of stale packages |
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| 12:38.57 | WormFood | thewanderer1, don't forget to mention the lack of firmware on the official debian installer cd |
| 12:39.21 | thewanderer1 | !installer firmware |
| 12:39.21 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 12:39.49 | blue_sky | OK, will try again with Apple's BootCamp, I tried bypassing that before, that may have been my problem |
| 12:39.50 | WormFood | blue_sky, most likely what you want is one of the unofficial net install CDs, with the firmware files already on the CD....makes it so much easier that jumping through debian's "free" hoops |
| 12:41.02 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: I'm checking out those links, thanks |
| 12:44.11 | WormFood | blue_sky, you can try asking in ##mac, since it is a mac computer...someone there may have experience installing Linux on your hardware |
| 12:45.33 | blue_sky | WormFood: There are very few Mac types who aren't zealots WRT Apple - they'll suggest Apple solutions for my 'problem' |
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| 12:49.44 | satellit_ | blue_sky: I have to use Virtualbox for OSX and run debian in it for wireless connectivity : / |
| 12:49.58 | satellit_ | MacBook Air |
| 12:50.33 | blue_sky | satellit_: Fortunately I don't need wireless |
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| 13:15.53 | zxd | Hi |
| 13:16.08 | zxd | how do I see the postinstal preinstall - control scripts of an installed package |
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| 13:27.31 | acemi | zxd: ar -x file.deb extracts the deb file. pre and post install scripts are in control.tar.gz |
| 13:27.51 | acemi | zxd: deb files are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 13:32.53 | blue_sky | I'm looking for additional drivers for an install. Debian boots from the CD and then can't see it do do the install! I've Googled for 'debian additional drivers' (sans quotes) but am not finding useful links, any ideas? |
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| 13:38.16 | fosstux | Hi! I'm trying to install Debian via Netinstall - but the setup does not find a network card. I have a Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)... any ideas? |
| 13:38.51 | Bop | fosstux, try ubuntu then |
| 13:39.04 | fosstux | I don't want to use ubuntu |
| 13:39.19 | Bop | if your card isnt detected , there's nothing u can do |
| 13:39.24 | Bop | well |
| 13:39.29 | Bop | u can install it anyway |
| 13:39.49 | fosstux | thanks |
| 13:39.53 | Bop | and then get the drivers offline and try to compile it |
| 13:40.00 | vtts | fosstux, if you are willing, you could try squeeze instlaller, it has a newer kernel |
| 13:40.05 | Bop | if they exists, what i dont know |
| 13:41.54 | acemi | fosstux: Bop there is a installer with non-free firmware |
| 13:42.36 | Bop | didnt knew then |
| 13:42.39 | Bop | where is it ? |
| 13:44.00 | blue_sky | acemi: As Bop said, where is it? Can't get CDROM or NIC found here. This could save me having to go to Ubuntu (which still may not solve the problem) |
| 13:44.16 | acemi | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:44.59 | acemi | there are for amd64 and powerpc too |
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| 13:45.39 | blue_sky | acemi: excellent, thank you. OpenBSD finds my hardware, says it has config'd the NIC but can't connect to anything. I'm running out of ideas! Will DL and try, thanks. |
| 13:45.57 | acemi | np |
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| 13:46.20 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, why Debian Lenny always starts kernel .3, but not .5? http://pastebin.com/1ULyzvSP |
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| 13:48.36 | jelly-home | xreal: there's no reason why it would, judging from that menu.lst |
| 13:48.47 | vtts | xreal, which option is selected by default in the grub prompt? |
| 13:48.52 | acemi | xreal: is there any other os in your machine |
| 13:49.18 | xreal | jelly-home: It's not my local computer (2 towns away) and there is no other OS. "uname -r" always shows .3 :-( |
| 13:49.27 | xreal | I am afraid to uninstall .3 |
| 13:49.28 | dutchfish | xreal: or some script/app has set the one time option to boot in next |
| 13:49.42 | vtts | xreal, check links in /boot, maybe .5 points to .3 ? |
| 13:49.48 | jelly-home | xreal: are you able to access the console while booting? |
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| 13:49.50 | xreal | dutchfish: how can I find out about this? |
| 13:49.59 | xreal | jelly-home: in 3-4 days I can |
| 13:50.03 | xreal | vtts: let me check |
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| 13:50.53 | xreal | vtts: nope. even vmlinuz in root links to .5 |
| 13:51.01 | vtts | xreal, if not links, check if .3 and .5 differ (md5sum) |
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| 13:51.42 | xreal | vtts: not equal :-( |
| 13:52.06 | vtts | vmlinuz... there is no record of it in the menu.lst, ry |
| 13:52.14 | vtts | try running update-grub |
| 13:52.31 | xreal | vtts: I think, this is for LILO only (vmlinuz). |
| 13:52.37 | xreal | Done running update-grub. Same result. |
| 13:52.55 | jelly-home | xreal: do you have lilo installed on that system as well? |
| 13:52.55 | dutchfish | xreal: man grub-reboot |
| 13:53.16 | xreal | jelly: no |
| 13:53.21 | xreal | dutchfish: ok |
| 13:53.40 | jelly-home | xreal: is this a physical or a virtual machine? |
| 13:53.41 | vtts | xreal, lilo or no lilo, if there is vmlinuz, it should appear as an option after update-grub |
| 13:53.48 | xreal | jelly-home: physical |
| 13:53.52 | dutchfish | xreal: some scripts i have seen use that option |
| 13:54.01 | xreal | vtts: I have never seen this. mmh |
| 13:54.14 | xreal | dutchfish: how can I search for those scripts? |
| 13:54.40 | dutchfish | xreal: use find because the script hold the grub-reboot word |
| 13:55.05 | xreal | dutchfish: okay, in /etc/init.d ? |
| 13:55.24 | dutchfish | xreal: to be 100% sure, look also in sbin |
| 13:55.56 | dutchfish | xreal: and if excists in /opts too |
| 13:56.07 | xreal | :-) |
| 13:56.22 | vtts | grub-pc: /usr/sbin/grub-reboot |
| 13:56.41 | jelly-home | I must confess I've never seen this, a LV name used for grub1 root command: root (avvtux-re-root) |
| 13:57.02 | dutchfish | jelly-home: yep, its for sure non-debian |
| 13:57.09 | xreal | jelly-home: Debian Lenny ... |
| 13:57.18 | jelly-home | dutchfish: why do you think so? |
| 13:57.27 | xreal | Lenny's installer created this for me. |
| 13:57.46 | jelly-home | xreal: care to show your /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 13:58.16 | xreal | 1 sec |
| 13:58.28 | xreal | (hd0)/dev/sda (hd1)/dev/sdb (hd2)/dev/sdc |
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| 14:02.08 | jelly-home | xreal: I don't see a (avvtux-re-root) in there, and have no idea how your boot process works. Perhaps it doesn't use grub1 at all, but some other boot loader. |
| 14:02.29 | xreal | jelly: I'm using LVM. Perhaps that's the reason? |
| 14:02.44 | xreal | jelly-home: How can I find out about another bootloader? |
| 14:03.02 | jelly-home | xreal: looking at the console output at boot might provide clues. |
| 14:03.28 | jelly-home | xreal: if you want to hose your system, you could try reinstalling grub into the MBR and reboot. (don't ;-) |
| 14:03.31 | xreal | jelly-home: Can store the output? I don't have access to the machine right now. |
| 14:03.48 | xreal | Can "I" ... |
| 14:04.22 | xreal | bootlogd? |
| 14:05.41 | dutchfish | xreal: what version gives this: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 14:06.05 | jelly-home | xreal: bootlogd won't show the boot loader stuff. |
| 14:06.36 | jelly-home | he meant dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:07.30 | dutchfish | jelly-home: ty |
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| 14:09.19 | jelly-home | xreal: while you're at it, please pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 lilo grub\* |grep '^.i' |
| 14:11.18 | jelly-home | might be a weird version of something installed |
| 14:11.32 | thewanderer1 | hi. should my reads be faster from RAID1 (mdraid) than from a single disk? |
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| 14:11.38 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: no. |
| 14:11.46 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: hm, why? |
| 14:11.51 | xreal | Sorry, I am back. |
| 14:11.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that feature is not implemented yet. |
| 14:11.56 | xreal | jelly: 1 sec |
| 14:11.57 | thewanderer1 | aww |
| 14:12.01 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 14:12.11 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: but you can have TWO reads at the same time! |
| 14:12.20 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I know, but I usually do not :P |
| 14:12.28 | xreal | libc6: 2.7-18lenny6 |
| 14:12.30 | thewanderer1 | which disk does mdraid use when reading? |
| 14:12.38 | jelly-home | whichever, I guess |
| 14:12.55 | xreal | jelly-home: No lilo, only grub. |
| 14:13.08 | xreal | oh |
| 14:13.13 | xreal | GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version) |
| 14:13.14 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I have a md raid1 here and looking at the blinky lights, it alternates |
| 14:13.16 | xreal | GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common |
| 14:13.25 | xreal | Seems like v1 and v2 are running here? |
| 14:13.30 | jelly-home | xreal: use a pastebin please. |
| 14:13.31 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 14:13.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:13.57 | xreal | http://paste.debian.net/102734/ |
| 14:14.38 | jelly-home | xreal: nothing out of the ordinary there (yeah, grub-common is part of grub2 but that's normal) |
| 14:15.10 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: so if I want faster speed, I should do raid0+1, right? :P |
| 14:15.29 | xreal | jelly-home: But I thought, I was using grub1 ? |
| 14:15.37 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if you want faster 1-thread sustained reads or writes, yes. |
| 14:16.17 | jelly-home | xreal: it _is_. that grub-common package only contains some helper scripts and data that's, well, common to both grub1 and grub2 |
| 14:17.06 | xreal | http://paste.debian.net/102736/ |
| 14:17.09 | xreal | interesting... |
| 14:18.26 | xreal | that sounds bad: "Loading kernel modules...FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory" |
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| 14:19.46 | jelly-home | the machine obviously boots so it's not that fatal |
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| 14:20.35 | jelly-home | xreal: running "depmod -a" manually might create the missing modules.dep file and make that message disappear |
| 14:21.46 | danslo | just a quick question, are there unstable iso's? (unofficial would be fine too) |
| 14:21.54 | jelly-home | xreal: line 74 suggests your /etc/hosts doesn't contain the proper "ip.ad.d.r hostname.domain" line for that host |
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| 14:22.03 | jelly-home | danslo: no |
| 14:22.26 | xreal | jelly-home: It's on LAN only. I think, that's okay for me :-) |
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| 14:22.55 | jelly-home | it still has an IP there that's better than 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:22.57 | dutchfish | jelly-home: lines 40-43 |
| 14:23.38 | SuperAlekZ | hm, is there any simple webinterface for hlds gameservers that i could install? |
| 14:23.45 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I don't know anything about "schroot", can't comment |
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| 14:24.14 | jelly-home | hlds? |
| 14:24.36 | danslo | jelly-home: what are these then? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 14:24.52 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home: half-life dedicated server -> counter-shit: sauce |
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| 14:25.43 | xreal | jelly-home: How do you want me to change it? http://paste.debian.net/102738/ |
| 14:26.06 | jelly-home | danslo: old, irregular builds. I think you can safely ignore them. |
| 14:26.43 | jelly-home | xreal: replace 127.0.1.1 with the machine's ip |
| 14:26.48 | danslo | jelly-home: alright, so best way to go is testing and upgrade from there? :) |
| 14:27.25 | xreal | done |
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| 14:27.44 | jelly-home | danslo: that, or read the installer docs to find out how to choose the release |
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| 14:27.50 | jelly-home | !tell danslo about install sid |
| 14:28.35 | danslo | jelly-home: that settles it then, thanks :) |
| 14:28.35 | jelly-home | danslo: since you want to help with debugging and fixing debian, I guess you'll have no objections to reading docs <g> |
| 14:28.37 | xreal | still the same problem: "modules.dep: No such file or directory" ... seems like the system is completly messed up. |
| 14:28.54 | danslo | jelly-home: no objections at all :) |
| 14:29.11 | jelly-home | xreal: that's a weird definition of "completely" |
| 14:30.01 | SuperAlekZ | jelly-home: any idea? |
| 14:30.04 | xreal | jelly-home: okay ... "nearly complete" |
| 14:30.17 | jelly-home | SuperAlekZ: no, sorry |
| 14:30.26 | SuperAlekZ | np :) |
| 14:31.02 | jelly-home | xreal: I'd try to see what the boot process looked like, then run grub-install again, see if a) grub-install works and b) it makes any change after reboot |
| 14:32.05 | danslo | jelly-home: I remember there being unofficial debian iso's with updated kernels, would you happen to know about those? |
| 14:32.36 | jelly-home | danslo: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 14:33.05 | danslo | thanks once again |
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| 14:35.58 | xreal | That looks really bad! http://paste.debian.net/102740/ |
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| 14:36.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | xreal: looks like madness |
| 14:37.31 | xreal | ./dev/sta1 = /boot |
| 14:37.35 | xreal | sda1 |
| 14:37.47 | jelly-home | xreal: looks like you misspelled "/dev/sda", and I strongly suggest not to do it if you don't have console access |
| 14:38.18 | xreal | jelly-home: A friend of mine will have access tomorrow. I will do on 24th or after xmas. |
| 14:39.00 | jelly-home | if they can boot the machine from a livecd and fix the boot loader, ok |
| 14:39.08 | xreal | ok |
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| 14:49.08 | nirazio | How to write an fstab line for full access to an NTFS drive? |
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| 14:52.58 | jelly-home | nirazio: UUID=D64C3DC84C3DA3E1 /win7 ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=jelly,gid=users,umask=022 0 0 |
| 14:54.32 | nirazio | jelly-home: I have written /dev/sda2 /win ntfs-3g rw,dev,exec,auto,async,users,umask=777,uid=1000,gid=1000,locale=en_US.utf8, errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 14:55.08 | nirazio | jelly-home: but I still can't access /win as a user (corresponding to uid/gid specified). As root I can access /win and can see that no permissions are set at all (I supposed umask=777 is meant to set all permissions). |
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| 14:57.06 | jelly-home | nirazio: that umask will _deny_ all permissions |
| 14:57.08 | jelly-home | !umask |
| 14:57.08 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage) |
| 14:57.55 | jelly-home | nirazio: also, why dev,exec,async? |
| 14:58.08 | nirazio | jelly-home: Then what umask value i should give there?? |
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| 14:59.28 | jelly-home | I have pasted the line exactly as it is in my fstab |
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| 15:19.48 | makubi | nirazio: think about umask as opposite of 'normal' permissions you see when using chmod... hope this is right |
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| 15:21.59 | analyser | hey guys, i'm setting up a squid3 server as reverse proxy, I would like to know how can I redirect all requests to just one server, less those specific sites that I select to be redirected to anothers servers. |
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| 15:28.21 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:28.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | wildc4rd: it's not afternoon everywhere on this planet right now |
| 15:29.48 | wildc4rd | it dosn't have to be, it is where I am, therefore I'll wish everybody a happy afternoon |
| 15:30.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | wildc4rd: gmt+1? |
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| 15:31.28 | wildc4rd | just gmt |
| 15:31.41 | blue_sky | wildc4rd: still snowing? |
| 15:32.03 | wildc4rd | little bit, just been out flying the models, its not too bad |
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| 16:27.43 | Rienzilla | hi guys. How does one prevent one's defaultroute being overwritten or modified by a dhcp client? |
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| 16:29.10 | _olli | hi |
| 16:29.19 | _olli | are there netinstall images for kfreebsd/amd64 ? |
| 16:29.39 | Rienzilla | just remove the request for 'routers' from dhclient.conf |
| 16:29.42 | Rienzilla | ? |
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| 16:33.42 | _olli | i looked on the mirrors, but all i found are jigdo files for full bloated images and not only network install images |
| 16:36.00 | pipeline | _olli: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:36.39 | _olli | pipeline: thx - how did you find this ? |
| 16:37.17 | pipeline | _olli: incidentally debian/kfreebsd isn't really uh, done. |
| 16:37.31 | _olli | pipeline: yeah - it's just for a testdrive :) |
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| 16:37.42 | d3lck0 | hi all |
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| 16:39.17 | thewanderer1 | hi, I get "FATAL -> Failed to fork." when I run apt-get |
| 16:39.26 | _olli | pipeline: but i wonder why they ported the gnu libc to bsd |
| 16:39.31 | thewanderer1 | 'free -m' says over 800MB free memory |
| 16:39.45 | pipeline | _olli: there were experiments with the other option, using bsd libc with debian code |
| 16:39.54 | pipeline | _olli: but the other project was not successful enough, and kfreebsd caught momentum |
| 16:40.04 | _olli | pipeline: ic |
| 16:40.41 | _olli | pipeline: but the kernel is stable enough for testing? |
| 16:42.46 | pipeline | _olli: oh, maybe. I imagine the kernel is basically unaltered from FreeBSD, since FreeBSD used gcc anyway. God knows what the package tree looks like... I don't think glibc on freebsd was ever a very popular target :) |
| 16:43.07 | pipeline | thewanderer1: probably hit process limits |
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| 16:43.48 | _olli | i can't even remember when i installed the last debian via install 8) |
| 16:44.24 | pipeline | _olli: for perspective, I am one of nine mumble users on debian sid in the united states, and mumble is a very popular software package. As a debian kfreebsd user, any given package you pick, you'll probably be the first one to discover its bugs :) |
| 16:44.45 | _olli | pipeline: ah, great *g* |
| 16:45.14 | pipeline | _olli: Not only the first one to discover bugs in the package, but the first one to discover bugs in glibc, gcc, etc.... the whole thing is uh unusual |
| 16:45.27 | _olli | pipeline: we'll see :) |
| 16:45.47 | _olli | pipeline: i'm using debian since slink, so i think i can handle a lots of the "debianish" problems that come around ;) |
| 16:46.09 | pipeline | _olli: uhhh have fun with glibc issues :) |
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| 16:46.45 | _olli | but i still wonder why they ported glibc |
| 16:46.57 | _olli | on freebsd itself everything works ootb with bsd libc |
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| 16:50.27 | _olli | i guess they only did it because dpkg wasn't bsdlibc compliant ;) |
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| 16:56.07 | _olli | uuuh, booting freebsd via group |
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| 16:59.54 | _olli | i wonder if kfreebsd environment runs in a jail |
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| 17:30.38 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: thanks, but I don't see any nproc fails (failcnt=0) in OpenVZ - it did not hit process number limits |
| 17:30.54 | pipeline | thewanderer1: if it's openvz then all bets are off |
| 17:30.58 | pipeline | thewanderer1: it could be literally anything |
| 17:31.16 | pipeline | thewanderer1: if there are *any* failcnt in user_beancounters that's Bad. |
| 17:31.17 | thewanderer1 | well, things do work as expected outside OpenVZ, admittedly |
| 17:31.23 | thewanderer1 | all failcnt's are zero |
| 17:31.31 | thewanderer1 | so I'm not hitting any resource limits |
| 17:32.29 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to run Cherokee now and running into some weird thread-related problems (or memory-related? dunno) |
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| 17:35.16 | thewanderer1 | now mysql doesn't want to stop, lol |
| 17:35.33 | thewanderer1 | apparently the last apt-get update wasn't a very fruitful one |
| 17:35.49 | mama21mama | 0/ |
| 17:36.01 | thewanderer1 | it's "cannot allocate memory again" :D |
| 17:36.27 | thewanderer1 | this is seriously pending a reboot I think |
| 17:42.45 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/102756/ <-- Anyone know what this is? I'm trying to play a file with mplayer. |
| 17:43.19 | stew | it looks to my untrained eye like an error while decoding a frame! |
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| 17:44.16 | stuckey | stew: only happens with some files |
| 17:44.20 | thewanderer1 | holy crap I can't see my mouse cursor! |
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| 17:45.32 | thewanderer1 | so much better now :P |
| 17:45.57 | thewanderer1 | last time cherokee/apt-get/aptitude didn't want to start in openvz, now they do but my mouse cursor was absent for a minute before I relogged in |
| 17:46.23 | thewanderer1 | and it's not even close to April 1 |
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| 17:48.16 | frewsxcv | is there anyway to use dpkg to install a deb and autoinstall dependencies? |
| 17:48.39 | thewanderer1 | could anyone have a look at http://paste.debian.net/102757/ and tell me if there's any suspicious in my sensors printout? I'm somehow suspecting the PSU... |
| 17:48.56 | abrotman | frewsxcv: generally, you dpkg -i foo.deb;aptitude -f install .. say N to the first option, then usually the second will install the deps |
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| 17:49.16 | thewanderer1 | frewsxcv: no, dpkg installs package files, apt is responsible for topology sort (dependency resolver) |
| 17:50.09 | frewsxcv | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Looks completely garbled to me. |
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| 17:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: common voltages should be common, not random, sub 1v readings should result in dead systems. |
| 17:58.40 | thewanderer1 | well, I've always been getting this |
| 17:59.02 | thewanderer1 | I guess that lm-sensors' detection functions aren't quite perfect |
| 17:59.14 | texel | We don't know what voltage lines those are. |
| 17:59.23 | thewanderer1 | that's the problem I suppose |
| 17:59.24 | texel | They could have tolerances much different than TTL. |
| 17:59.28 | thewanderer1 | I thought there would be a heuristic |
| 17:59.29 | texel | Or CMOS. |
| 17:59.40 | texel | Na. |
| 17:59.55 | texel | lm-sensors is generally something you need to know to setup. |
| 18:00.23 | thewanderer1 | I thought yes | sensors-detect was sufficient... |
| 18:00.23 | texel | Or rather, it's something you need to have detailed knowledge of your sensors. |
| 18:00.36 | texel | I've /never/ had that give me sane values of any board I've used it with. |
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| 18:00.48 | thewanderer1 | neither have I... |
| 18:01.16 | thewanderer1 | but that doesn't make me any more confident in the correctness of my machine's operation :P |
| 18:01.21 | texel | Heh |
| 18:01.31 | texel | When in doubt, if you suspect the PSU, get a PSU tester and give it a go. |
| 18:02.18 | texel | Don't rely on motherboard sensors for determining if a PSU is good or bad -- you'll just end up with a fried motherboard. |
| 18:02.47 | texel | (of course, unless you're using a fault-tolerant PSU system, in which case your sensors aren't going to be in the motherboard in the first place) |
| 18:03.39 | texel | Besides, lm-sensors isn't going to tell you if you have a PSU that is flaky. |
| 18:03.48 | texel | s/flaky/flaky anyway/ |
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| 18:06.49 | texel | is thinking about fluctuations in constant voltage like the +5v or +12v lines |
| 18:07.48 | texel | Anybody know what the dangers of using an LVM logical volume for creating another LVM volume group are? O.o |
| 18:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | My default lmsensors has higher minimum voltages than the maximum voltages. |
| 18:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | texel: Additional layer of complexity, one more thing to fail. |
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| 18:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | Guess it's time to go into the office and try one more cloning. |
| 18:09.05 | texel | jhutchins_lt: heh. Yeah, thought about that. |
| 18:09.12 | texel | jhutchins_lt: thanks, though. =o) |
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| 18:16.04 | hachiya | is there a recommended method of stripping down a debian install to a minimal system ? |
| 18:16.30 | hachiya | something like apt-get -y remove (bunch of packages) ? |
| 18:16.44 | texel | hachiya: can you just reinstall? Seems like that might be a saner option if you're wanting to go back to bare metal. |
| 18:16.53 | jordanm | !uninstall everything |
| 18:16.54 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 18:17.15 | texel | Woot! Wish I had known about that before. |
| 18:17.21 | texel | Thanks, jordanm |
| 18:17.27 | hachiya | thanks texel, but i'm testing something on a VPS that only has a regular debian lenny option |
| 18:17.33 | hachiya | Orbixx: cool will read |
| 18:17.33 | jordanm | anytime |
| 18:17.38 | hachiya | err I mean jordanm |
| 18:18.12 | jordanm | hachiya: a default debian install is very minimal. if this is a VZ container and not a real VPS, their template is likely not the equivlenet of a base debian install |
| 18:18.39 | jordanm | it may even be modified to the point where this channel would not consider it debian |
| 18:18.40 | hachiya | jordanm: yeah it has apache, bind, ldap, cyrus sasl, a bunch of stuff... |
| 18:18.52 | jordanm | hachiya: yep, get support from your host :) |
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| 18:19.01 | hachiya | I'm trying what youve got above |
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| 18:19.38 | hachiya | seems like many hosts offer a debian-minimal, but not in thi case, so this is the next best thing |
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| 18:20.19 | Rdogg | hey guys, any ideas why i keep getting "Input not supported" on my monitor while booting? |
| 18:20.25 | jordanm | hachiya: pro tip: NEVER buy a openvz/virtuosso/(VZ anything) VPS |
| 18:20.27 | Rdogg | (and it stays there, and nothing else shows) |
| 18:20.34 | jordanm | hachiya: its not really a VPS |
| 18:20.56 | bitweiler | hey guys, you think lenny will run on a compaq presario 1260? |
| 18:21.04 | texel | jordanm: what about Xen, with it's checkered history? Would you recommend against that? O.o |
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| 18:21.22 | hachiya | well you mean as opposed to Xen, KVM, VMware, yes I know there are differences, but this is just a test server |
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| 18:21.41 | jordanm | texel: my VPS runs on XEN and it is ideal imo. will be until hosts start to adopt KVM |
| 18:22.06 | roe | has openvz fixed its networking weirdness yet? |
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| 18:22.26 | texel | hachiya: can you upload a new disk image? If so, maybe you should create a loopback mount to a disk image and do a debootstrap to it. |
| 18:22.37 | jordanm | hachiya: VZ containers can exhibit unusual behavior that might ruin your testing |
| 18:22.59 | roe | the never version of Xen utilizes pv which is going to be much easier to support moving forward |
| 18:23.04 | roe | newer* |
| 18:23.29 | texel | roe: for sysadmins, sure. My concern about it arises from the recent merging trouble with the upstream kernel. |
| 18:23.44 | hachiya | well, actually, the above !uninstall everything seems to be working great! |
| 18:24.04 | roe | texel, the move to pvops should make merging soo much easier |
| 18:24.32 | jordanm | hachiya: is it running a plesk panel or some kind of web hosting control panel? |
| 18:24.52 | texel | roe: does that solve the much debated userspace/kernelspace ABI for the dom0 hypervisor? |
| 18:25.31 | hachiya | jordanm: nah, i never run those.. just doing this from ssh |
| 18:25.39 | h3sp4wn | There is some (many ?) annoying things with the pv_ops xen kernel |
| 18:25.43 | roe | I don't think so, but it solves the whole issue that happened in lenny regarding newer than 2.6.18 support |
| 18:26.07 | hachiya | the VPS isn't running a CP... the host node has a CP to start/stop, reload OS |
| 18:26.32 | texel | roe: hm. I get the feeling from the LKML that dom0 support exists at the behest of the upstream mergers. That ABI issue is kinda a big deal to them. |
| 18:26.47 | jordanm | hachiya: is that virtuosso? |
| 18:27.00 | hachiya | this one is veportal |
| 18:27.09 | roe | I'm not too familiar with the issue you are talking about, but we have a fully functional squeeze dom0 test box |
| 18:27.27 | jordanm | hachiya: never heard of that one, cool |
| 18:28.09 | hachiya | there seems to be a number of them.. i've seen veportal, virtuosso, solus, and at least one custom one at ramhost.us |
| 18:28.20 | h3sp4wn | i.e accurate time is not provided by the dom0 everyone must run ntp (if they don't then migration borks) |
| 18:28.31 | hachiya | doesnt matter to me much, because the VPS itself doesn't need a CP |
| 18:29.02 | h3sp4wn | (i.e the admin of the dom0 has a failing box and wants to move all the domU's before it dies completely) |
| 18:29.15 | roe | h3sp4wn, not with our steup |
| 18:30.48 | h3sp4wn | roe: How ? Have you patched the kernels you deliver ? |
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| 18:31.48 | roe | not sure, I'm not the one working on it, all I know is it that it is running 2 domUs and the dom0 has a fully functional version of asterisk on it (timing works fine as well) |
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| 18:32.18 | h3sp4wn | All Debian domU's ? |
| 18:32.23 | roe | yea |
| 18:32.27 | h3sp4wn | (or pv_ops domU's |
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| 18:33.10 | h3sp4wn | Whats silly is on a Debian dom0 - Centos and old style xen kernels work perfect |
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| 18:37.31 | lauri | Good evening |
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| 18:38.01 | lauri | Can anyone tell me how Debian Squeeze ISO-s are created? |
| 18:38.16 | lauri | (In case I want to customize a image) |
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| 18:40.18 | poisonbit | lauri, I can't tell you all the proccess, but i can tell you that it's documented in the debian wiki |
| 18:40.48 | jordanm | I don't think there is much customization to be done to d-i images |
| 18:41.12 | roe | h3sp4wn, do you have a link to the discussion/argument you are referring to? I'd like to read a bit about it |
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| 18:45.14 | zobi8225 | hi |
| 18:45.15 | h3sp4wn | roe: [PATCH] [PVOPS] dom0 sync xen wallclock rejected |
| 18:45.16 | lauri | poisonbit: where? :D |
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| 18:45.21 | stuckey | How can I upgrade my mplayer? I tried putting experimental lines in my sources file, but apt-get build-dep said it couldn't find a certain necessary package. |
| 18:45.35 | stuckey | I'm using sid/squeeze |
| 18:45.44 | stuckey | Should I try just getting it from squeeze? |
| 18:45.57 | zobi8225 | i am a noob a i would like to install a JRE on my debian server, but i don't want use X11, any idea ? |
| 18:46.29 | jordanm | zobi8225: aptitude install -R openjdk-jre |
| 18:46.35 | stuckey | judd: versions mplayer |
| 18:46.36 | judd | Package mplayer on i386 -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny4; sid: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: |
| 18:46.38 | judd | 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1; experimental: 2:1.0~rc4~try1.dsfg1-1 |
| 18:46.45 | roe | h3sp4wn, is that a bug report? Do you have the bug #? |
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| 18:46.50 | zobi8225 | @jordanm : Thx ! |
| 18:47.45 | h3sp4wn | roe: I have not seen anything Debian specific (or looked) its a pv_ops issue (for everyone) |
| 18:47.46 | zobi8225 | @jordanm : it ask me to install X11 ... |
| 18:47.57 | jordanm | ,depends openjdk-jre |
| 18:47.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openjdk-jre' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 18:48.32 | jordanm | ,depends openjdk-6-jre |
| 18:48.34 | judd | Package openjdk-6-jre -- depends: openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b11-9.1), libasound2 (>> 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgif4 (>= 4.1.6), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxtst6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 18:49.03 | jordanm | zobi8225: depends on libx11-6. now way around it. required |
| 18:49.11 | jordanm | zobi8225: you don't need the full xserver, just the lib |
| 18:49.38 | jordanm | zobi8225: you may just want the -headless package? |
| 18:49.45 | h3sp4wn | stuckey: Debian Multimedia has a more complete mplayer / mencoder |
| 18:50.02 | zobi8225 | jordanm: yea it is just for a minecraft-server |
| 18:50.15 | texel | zobi8225: don't use openjdk. |
| 18:50.27 | texel | zobi8225: you want the sun jre if you're going to run minecraft. |
| 18:50.34 | zobi8225 | texel: ok |
| 18:50.45 | texel | runs a minecraft server as well |
| 18:50.51 | zobi8225 | texel: and U know how can i install it withoux X11 serveur ? |
| 18:50.53 | h3sp4wn | You need another jdk to bootstrap the openjdk |
| 18:51.18 | texel | zobi8225: you shouldn't need one. Look on minecraft.net for the appropriate way to run minecraft-server without a GUI. |
| 18:51.31 | jordanm | ,depends sun-java6-jre |
| 18:51.33 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre -- depends: java-common (>= 0.24), locales, sun-java6-bin (= 6-22-0lenny1) | ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-22-0lenny1). |
| 18:51.47 | jordanm | zobi8225: there is no indication that will pull in x11 libs |
| 18:51.48 | zobi8225 | texel: yeah but i need a JRE to run the server |
| 18:51.56 | texel | zobi8225: YOu want to start minecraft like this "/usr/bin/java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar $MINECRAFT_BINARY nogui" |
| 18:52.03 | texel | zobi8225: the JRE doesn't require an X server. =op |
| 18:52.09 | jordanm | zobi8225: install sun-java6-jre |
| 18:52.34 | h3sp4wn | use --without-recommends (and manually check if there is any you think you will need) |
| 18:52.35 | jordanm | texel: I would hope he wants to add start-stop-daemon to that too :) |
| 18:52.57 | zobi8225 | jordanm: texel : ok but when i do apt-get install sun-java-jre it ask me to install X11-common and lots of other package |
| 18:53.08 | stuckey | h3sp4wn: yeah but I don't like to mix |
| 18:53.23 | jordanm | zobi8225: did you leave it in an unconfigured state? what if you do aptitude install -f? |
| 18:54.01 | zobi8225 | http://pastebin.com/ETSfkwEQ |
| 18:54.19 | zobi8225 | h3sp4wn: OK ok... |
| 18:54.24 | h3sp4wn | stuckey: Those packages are of pretty high quality (the guy is a Debian Developer) |
| 18:54.41 | texel | zobi8225: Yeah, those aren't part of the X server. =op |
| 18:54.56 | jordanm | zobi8225: and the output of aptitude install -f? |
| 18:55.12 | texel | zobi8225: that's just bits of the Xorg infrastructure -- it's safe to install those without having to run an X server. |
| 18:55.33 | jordanm | texel: I would be most worried about avahi service on the server... |
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| 18:56.23 | texel | jordanm: ah. Missed that one. |
| 18:56.47 | jordanm | suspects those packages are pending from a previous action |
| 18:57.01 | texel | Maybe a recommends pulling it in? |
| 18:57.26 | h3sp4wn | I cannot see why anyone would recommend avahi for anything |
| 18:57.28 | jordanm | ,recommends sun-java6-jre |
| 18:57.29 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre -- recommends: gsfonts-x11. |
| 18:57.37 | zobi8225 | h3sp4wn: apt-get install --without-recomends sun-java-jre ? |
| 18:57.50 | stuckey | Would it do good to file a bug report for the package? |
| 18:58.00 | h3sp4wn | zobi8225: check man apt-get (I use aptitude) |
| 18:58.09 | zobi8225 | h3sp4wn: ok ;-D |
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| 18:58.14 | Tau | hi. i'm having some troubles here. |
| 18:58.54 | Tau | my user account is simply as administrator i'm using a gnome tool to manage the users and groups. when it ry to change it to common user it simply doesn't work. |
| 18:59.01 | Tau | it keeps in administrator type. |
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| 18:59.25 | jordanm | Tau: uhh, what version of debian? |
| 18:59.53 | Tau | jordanm, it is squeezy. |
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| 19:01.07 | Tau | oh. |
| 19:01.09 | jordanm | Tau: well, users don't have a "type". if you mean that you created a group called "administrators" and you want a user's primary group to be the same, do usermod -g administrators $user |
| 19:01.17 | Tau | when i create a user account it keeps as being administrator type. |
| 19:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | The server's internal DVD reads disks just fine, but it won't boot from it. |
| 19:01.28 | jordanm | Tau: again, there is no "type" |
| 19:01.30 | _olli | aaah kfreebsd feels just so wrong |
| 19:01.33 | Tau | jordanm, hmm. |
| 19:01.36 | Tau | all right. |
| 19:01.43 | mallxs | whare do i find the plugin dir for iceweasel ? |
| 19:01.49 | zobi8225 | it work :-D |
| 19:01.51 | zobi8225 | apt-get --no-install-recommends install sun-java6-jre |
| 19:01.55 | zobi8225 | thank You ! |
| 19:01.56 | Tau | jordanm, k |
| 19:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | Which is strange because I'm pretty sure that's the drive I installed from. |
| 19:02.05 | texel | mallxs: dpkg -L iceweasel |grep lib |
| 19:02.11 | jordanm | mallxs: ~/.mozilla/extensions IIRC |
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| 19:02.20 | mallxs | thx folks |
| 19:02.21 | texel | zobi8225: Glad to hear it. =o) |
| 19:02.36 | jhutchins_lt | There are system-wide directories too, and more than one. |
| 19:02.37 | texel | jordanm: nsplugins go in there as well? |
| 19:02.48 | texel | jordanm: I didn't think that was allowed for security reasons. Good to know. |
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| 19:03.21 | jordanm | oh |
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| 19:03.50 | jhutchins_lt | /usr/share/mozilla, /usr/lib/mozilla/[extensions|plugins] |
| 19:04.21 | mallxs | dpkg say /usr/lib/mozilla/extentions |
| 19:04.21 | dpkg | /usr/lib/mozilla/extentions |
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| 19:05.57 | jhutchins_lt | If you install multiple browsers you may end up with a whole nest of possible locations, all purporting to be mozilla or firefox folders. |
| 19:06.01 | Tau | i would like to permit users to use pon dsl-provider ( pppoe connections). how could i add the user to the group ? what is the group of pppoe connections ? |
| 19:09.46 | jhutchins_lt | Tau: netdev (this is squeeze kde4) |
| 19:10.34 | _olli | Tau: just check the group on the file ;) |
| 19:13.21 | Tau | hum. |
| 19:13.30 | Tau | _olli, jhujhiti thank u |
| 19:14.39 | Tau | jhutchins, worked. |
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| 19:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | So there is no Show Desktop/Minimize All in KDE4? |
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| 19:24.04 | t3a | why cant i switch users or sign off in squeeze? |
| 19:28.18 | _olli | t3a: get any errors in syslog and/or messages ? |
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| 19:30.52 | t3a | 672? |
| 19:31.24 | t3a | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:31.24 | t3a | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:31.36 | stockhol1 | your key is stuck :-) |
| 19:31.50 | t3a | no, i typed 673 a's |
| 19:32.13 | stockhol1 | so kind of you :-) |
| 19:33.02 | f8l | t3a: It's a limit on nicks on the channel, not the length of a line. |
| 19:33.06 | texel | t3a: emacs, perchance? C-u 6 7 2 a |
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| 19:33.44 | f8l | texel: What is you want to enter 67 2's ? |
| 19:34.03 | texel | f8l: Good question. =op |
| 19:34.13 | texel | f8l: I don't have an emacs instance to test with. |
| 19:34.34 | pngl | Hi, I am not showing up as part of a group even though I am on the group line in /etc/group. Any ideas? |
| 19:34.41 | texel | f8l: my guess would be something like C-u 6 7 C-q 2 |
| 19:35.15 | texel | pngl: did you add yourself to the group and not logout? |
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| 19:35.24 | texel | pngl: Changes to group memberships will only take effect if you relog. |
| 19:35.48 | texel | (or if you do something crazy like "exec sudo bash -c 'exec login'") |
| 19:36.17 | f8l | texel: And what if you want to enter 6 72's? ;-) |
| 19:36.20 | pngl | texel: thanks. |
| 19:36.38 | texel | f8l: well, then, you're sol because that technique only works for one character. =op |
| 19:38.10 | f8l | texel: Sol? |
| 19:38.33 | simonrvn | shit of luck |
| 19:38.38 | simonrvn | out of* |
| 19:38.39 | texel | Shit out of Luck |
| 19:38.52 | texel | f8l: I suppose you could do something crazy like this: |
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| 19:39.15 | texel | f8l: C-( 72 C-) C-u 7 C-e |
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| 19:39.40 | texel | Err, that second 7 should be a 5. =op |
| 19:40.21 | texel | Hm. And actually, that should be this instead: |
| 19:40.51 | texel | M-( 7 2 M-) C-u 7 C-e |
| 19:40.57 | texel | I give up. |
| 19:41.13 | texel | Muscle memory is crap for remembering specifics. =op |
| 19:41.43 | simonrvn | emulate the steps you took, put yourself in the head space to do that, and you'll get it. |
| 19:42.08 | catsup | 14:35 <texel> (or if you do something crazy like "exec sudo bash -c 'exec login'") |
| 19:42.12 | catsup | the magic code is exec su - |
| 19:43.04 | catsup | or rather, exec sudo su - [username] |
| 19:44.21 | texel | catsup: that gets your root. |
| 19:44.35 | texel | catsup: Oh, just saw your addendum. |
| 19:44.44 | texel | catsup: Either way works. =op |
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| 19:53.53 | thewanderer1 | any ideas how to trim down php-fastcgi's memory usage? |
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| 19:59.06 | peterrooney | thewanderer1: switch to mod_perl ? |
| 19:59.26 | petemc | mod_perl runs php scripts? |
| 19:59.47 | peterrooney | wonders about his pant's percent asbestos content |
| 19:59.49 | mallxs | well installing a f;ashplayer for 64bit AMD did not work for me |
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| 20:01.13 | mallxs | how every i have a other machine thats console only .. would like to install a virtual gui there .. whats the way to go ? |
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| 20:04.22 | syn4pse | apt-get update && apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:04.32 | mallxs | thx |
| 20:04.38 | syn4pse | if you want gnome |
| 20:04.44 | syn4pse | there are various desktops out there |
| 20:04.53 | syn4pse | hold on a sec |
| 20:05.27 | syn4pse | http:///loekens.net/?p=92 <- you also need to install vnc to connect to that server ;) |
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| 20:05.42 | mallxs | whats works best with virtualbox |
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| 20:06.40 | syn4pse | just do a gnome install apt-get update && apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment, then go to the website and follow the instructions to setup vnc |
| 20:06.45 | syn4pse | scroll down to the debian part ;) |
| 20:07.11 | thinksteve | Depending on the host you should consider lightweight window managers or desktop environments like fluxbox or LXDE. |
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| 20:18.20 | sorressean | I am trying to configure psad to work on my deb box, but deb uses rsyslog, which psad doesn't support, apparently. Is there a workaround to that? |
| 20:18.51 | texel | sorressean: what /do/ they support? |
| 20:18.58 | texel | sorressean: syslog-ng? |
| 20:19.15 | sorressean | yeah, syslog-ng. is that easily swapable without breaking shit? |
| 20:19.21 | texel | sorressean: yes. |
| 20:19.26 | sorressean | shweet, thanks! |
| 20:19.26 | texel | sorressean: just apt-get install syslog-ng. |
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| 20:19.37 | texel | sorressean: I've been doing that all night and day so far on my grid. =op |
| 20:19.44 | texel | sorressean: no problems yet. |
| 20:19.45 | nirazio | I would like to purchase more memory for one of my computers. Is there a utility that will tell me what type of memory is installed in the machine? |
| 20:20.29 | thewanderer1 | nirazio: `screwdriver`, you might also do that more quickly if you pipe `torch` through it... |
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| 20:20.46 | petemc | Nielsen: dmidecode, hwinfo |
| 20:20.52 | mallxs | sorresssean: do still first install gnome-desktop-environment and later the fluxbox |
| 20:21.13 | texel | nirazio: if you know the model of your motherboard just look up the manual to see what it supports. |
| 20:21.24 | texel | nirazio: AFAIK, there is no such tool to do what you want. |
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| 20:21.39 | thewanderer1 | actually dmidecode is quite helpful |
| 20:21.39 | simonrvn | those are still useful to have though |
| 20:21.46 | thewanderer1 | at least shows memory freq... |
| 20:22.10 | texel | thewanderer1: I thought dmidecode was for detecting monitors based upon DDC information gathered by video cards. |
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| 20:22.31 | thewanderer1 | texel: wasn't that vbetool or sth? |
| 20:22.35 | texel | looks at the desc for the package and is hit by the thousand-ton hammer of enlightenment |
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| 20:23.04 | texel | thewanderer1: Yes, you are correct. |
| 20:24.14 | mallxs | ha have been using enlightenment sins patato |
| 20:25.23 | thewanderer1 | I'm still a simple user of KDE :) |
| 20:25.32 | texel | Heh |
| 20:25.46 | texel | I'm a simple user of... X + stumpwm. |
| 20:25.57 | texel | dislikes the usual desktop systems |
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| 20:26.19 | texel | Just gimme a terminal and I'm rather happy. =o) |
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| 20:28.33 | jhutchins_lt | ftp.us.debian.org must be pretty busy today. |
| 20:29.36 | Boohemian | hi, on my drupal admin/reports/satus page i have "GD Image Filtering" and "GD Image Rotation" listed under Low Quality / Poor Performance. i use debian lenny. is there any way i can recompile PHP --with-gd using the bundled GD library on debian lenny via aptitude? |
| 20:29.40 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: probably knows :) |
| 20:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | !package recompile |
| 20:30.22 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 20:32.19 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it's a round-robin |
| 20:32.24 | sorressean | jesus christe, syslog-ng makes no sense. |
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| 20:34.14 | sorressean | It's worse than configuring unreal. :p |
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| 20:41.48 | az_ordog_maga | aloha linugz fanboys |
| 20:44.15 | texel | You assume there's no fangirls. =op |
| 20:46.24 | JairunCaloth | there's no such thing as girls on the internet! |
| 20:48.57 | texel | So then, what the heck am I? |
| 20:48.59 | texel | Oh, crap. |
| 20:49.07 | texel | I knew it. I just knew it -- I'm an AI construct! |
| 20:50.03 | JairunCaloth | very likely |
| 20:50.25 | texel | Well, at least I'm portable. =op |
| 20:50.52 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 21:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't it be smarter for the system to only install wifi support if it detected wifi hardware? |
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| 21:09.53 | bolt | has super ox powers |
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| 21:11.52 | bolt | jhutchins: what if detection fails and you need to set it up manually, but still want wireless? |
| 21:12.13 | bolt | jhutchins: what if your wireless was just disabled in the bios at the time of install (laptop)? |
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| 21:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | How do you list tasks for tasksel? |
| 21:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: ping |
| 21:21.58 | dpkg | pong |
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| 21:22.14 | nirazio | How to reboot into windows from debian??? |
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| 21:23.34 | bolt | nirazio: you need to add windows to your grub menu. it *should* be autodetected |
| 21:23.44 | bolt | nirazio: try grub-update |
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| 21:24.06 | nirazio | bolt: I found this script http://coopology.com/2010/10/reboot-or-hibernate-into-windows-from-ubuntu-easily/ |
| 21:24.07 | stefan____ | hi |
| 21:24.09 | acemi | update-grub |
| 21:24.20 | bolt | acemi: right. |
| 21:24.31 | nirazio | bolt: But it's not working |
| 21:24.33 | stefan____ | how do you disable hardware acceleration on the "intel" X video driver? Option "NoAccel" "true" doesnt work |
| 21:24.33 | bolt | nirazio: why do you need a script? just add it to the menu |
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| 21:25.17 | stefan____ | or disable DRI alltogether? DRI "false" has no effect either, neither does NoDRI "true". that`s all the options I could google. |
| 21:25.19 | acemi | nirazio: check os-proper is installed |
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| 21:25.42 | nirazio | acemi: Yes it is installed |
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| 21:26.12 | acemi | nirazio: is this squeeze or lenny? |
| 21:26.14 | bolt | nirazio: is your problem booting windows, or doing so straight from debian by running a script? |
| 21:26.51 | nirazio | bolt: doing straight from debian by running a script.. |
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| 21:27.01 | nirazio | acemi: lenny |
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| 21:27.17 | acemi | nirazio: with grub legacy? |
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| 21:27.24 | nirazio | yes |
| 21:28.02 | acemi | nirazio: AFAIK you need yo add manually to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 21:29.04 | bolt | nirazio: you can use sed to "inplace" replace the default choice in grub's menu file with the number for your windows installation |
| 21:29.21 | bolt | that'll "lock" it to windows however |
| 21:29.37 | bolt | there was a project to boot something once |
| 21:29.49 | bolt | don't remember what it's called. never could get it to work. i use sed |
| 21:30.34 | bolt | that makes it autostart windows when i'm in a gaming mood, and all automatic windows crappy restarts will take me back to windows. in rc.local on linux, i chance the default back to linux, so when i choose linux manually again, it stays on that |
| 21:32.19 | stefan____ | please. noone`s got any idea how to disable DRI/HW accel? my X constantly freezes since I updated to squeeze because of "GPU hung". |
| 21:33.33 | bolt | stefan____: i have an idea... disable it in xorg.conf |
| 21:33.37 | bolt | stefan____: dunno how though |
| 21:33.46 | bolt | stefan____: but i think you can specify modules to *not* load |
| 21:34.45 | nirazio | bolt: Is there any application like bootcamp for easily booting into windows |
| 21:35.17 | bolt | nirazio: like i said, there was a project for one-time booting into something else. but i don't remember its name |
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| 21:36.15 | bolt | nirazio: http://sidvind.com/wiki/GRUB:_Boot_another_OS_once |
| 21:36.19 | bolt | just googling around... |
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| 21:38.55 | mallxs | where do i start for installing virualbox ? e.a. whats the common module ? |
| 21:39.16 | mallxs | package even |
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| 21:39.37 | acemi | virtualbox-ose |
| 21:40.05 | mallxs | thx |
| 21:40.24 | acemi | np |
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| 21:43.54 | nirazio | bolt: What's wrong with this script??? |
| 21:43.58 | nirazio | bolt: What's wrong with this script??? http://coopology.com/2010/10/reboot-or-hibernate-into-windows-from-ubuntu-easily/ |
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| 21:45.43 | bolt | nirazio: it was probably not written for your release of debian |
| 21:45.56 | bolt | nirazio: do you get any specific error message? |
| 21:46.53 | nirazio | No i din get any error message but it boots to debian again |
| 21:47.59 | bolt | nirazio: then try running each instruction manually, learn what it does and see which one fails |
| 21:52.06 | nirazio | bolt: Do you want me execute each and everyline straight away in terminal |
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| 21:55.50 | nirazio | bolt: grub-reboot is not working |
| 21:56.03 | bolt | nirazio: how is it not working? |
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| 22:31.09 | dclarke | question, wehn using parted on a external USB disk I get told that mkpart primary ext2 0kB 319GB results in "Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance." IS there a better tool than parted for this ? |
| 22:34.07 | Arrowmaster | parted can do it fine |
| 22:35.23 | dclarke | okay .. thanks |
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| 22:37.14 | h3sp4wn | Can parted fix - WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to sectors (command 'u'). |
| 22:37.31 | h3sp4wn | Doesn't seem to do anything using fdisk |
| 22:37.48 | h3sp4wn | or is it a destructive operation |
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| 22:46.10 | vtts | h3sp4wn, just follow the recommendation - use: fdisk -cu /dev/... |
| 22:47.14 | h3sp4wn | vtts: Ok - I tried manually c <enter> u <enter> w |
| 22:48.44 | vtts | what do you think this did? |
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| 22:49.24 | h3sp4wn | No idea (havent read the manpage yet) |
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| 22:50.10 | vtts | you might lose your data by toying with fdisk |
| 22:50.17 | h3sp4wn | Looks like it does totally nothing just gets rid of the warning |
| 22:51.20 | tuxx | Evening ppl .. I'm looking for blasphemy, some might say. The Ubuntu-way of /home encryption on Debian. Is that easily achieveable or? Reason is laptop, high performance and no need to type extra passwords plus suspend/resume works. |
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| 22:55.24 | vtts | tuxx, lookup ecryptfs |
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| 22:57.01 | tuxx | vtts, yeah I did that, however I seem to fail on the "easily" part .. hehe. All I basicly can find is Ubuntu-guides. But maybe it's not that difficult once I get started - actually I'm "on paper" stuck on the part where Ubuntu automatically mounts my encrypted data uppon login. |
| 22:57.38 | vtts | according to it's wiki it uses PAM module to do that |
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| 22:59.24 | tuxx | hrm.. I'll take a look at that part. |
| 22:59.37 | Arrowmaster | libpam-encfs? |
| 23:00.49 | vinsci | How did I end up with a aNd64 file here? "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-and64" |
| 23:01.37 | vinsci | update-initramfs complains, on it (of course) |
| 23:02.27 | Arrowmaster | is it being used? |
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| 23:11.38 | SparFux | Hi. Something messes with my resolv.conf and I don't know what. Resolvconf package isn't installed. Where are dns-domain directives handled in ifupdown? |
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| 23:13.43 | acemi | SparFux: does the machine get IP from dhcp server? |
| 23:14.04 | SparFux | acemi: no. |
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| 23:14.31 | acemi | SparFux: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:15.20 | SparFux | there is just one line in it: nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:15.40 | SparFux | but before it was: http://pastebin.com/cyKt5J83 |
| 23:15.50 | SparFux | I just started a thing called socialvpn as normal user. |
| 23:16.24 | SparFux | I have some dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces. where are these set? |
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| 23:19.34 | acemi | SparFux: it seems that socialvpn causes the problem |
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| 23:30.04 | sime | What's the debian way of having two memcached instacnes running... by replicating /etc/init.d/memcached > |
| 23:30.08 | sime | ? |
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| 23:33.49 | SparFux | acemi: it's not even running as root. How could it alter resolv.conf? |
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| 23:34.31 | I-are- | where is java sdk installed in debian? |
| 23:35.10 | jordanm | SparFux: you need resolvconf installed in order to use dns-nameservers in interfaces |
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| 23:35.22 | jordanm | I-are-: dpkg -L <package> |
| 23:35.29 | SparFux | jordanm: wow. I am using it without having it installed. |
| 23:35.42 | jordanm | SparFux: then its not used |
| 23:36.00 | I-are- | jordanm, thanks. teach a man to fish... |
| 23:36.00 | jordanm | unless something changed for squeeze and I ffailed to read the changelog |
| 23:36.01 | SparFux | jordanm: oh, no, I am not. commented out. |
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| 23:36.20 | jordanm | I-are-: yep :) |
| 23:37.12 | SparFux | and the dns-domain is in resolvconf, too? |
| 23:37.55 | jordanm | I would assume, yes |
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| 23:40.08 | SparFux | ok, if resolvconf isn't installed, the dns-* wouldn't do anything. |
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| 23:41.29 | jordanm | yep. IIRC is explained in that section of the debian reference |
| 23:41.31 | jordanm | !reference |
| 23:41.31 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 23:41.41 | jordanm | perhaps the interfaces manpage as well |
| 23:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | How do I get a list of tasks that tasksel can do? |
| 23:42.11 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: isn't it --list-tasks? |
| 23:42.36 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yep. common, quick manpage reference :) |
| 23:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | unknown option (squeeze) |
| 23:43.36 | jordanm | oh.. I don't have a squeeze system around to check |
| 23:44.08 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=tasksel&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+squeeze&format=html&locale=en |
| 23:44.15 | jordanm | the manpage says that it still has it |
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| 23:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | Missing from both the manpage and the command line on sq. |
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| 23:45.22 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I selected "squeeze" on that lookup. manpages.d.n must be out of date |
| 23:45.31 | nirazio | Is there any way I can see what programs were running at a specific time? Is there a way to see the last time a program was run? |
| 23:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, or possibly my tasksel. |
| 23:45.58 | jordanm | nirazio: no, and maybe, depending on the program |
| 23:46.27 | jordanm | nirazio: unless you had some kind of logging configured to do such a thing (eg. like a cron to dump ps output) |
| 23:47.24 | nirazio | any third party tools??? |
| 23:47.33 | sidh | Greetings |
| 23:47.48 | Bushmills | nirazio: you can set up history to include time stamps - those will show the times a program has been interactively started |
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| 23:48.52 | nirazio | Bushmills: How to setup history?? |
| 23:50.20 | Bushmills | nirazio: for example, export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%h%d,%R:%S ' |
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| 23:59.55 | DEMOSS | hello my dear friends )) |
| 23:59.58 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone! |