| 00:00.00 | mrkotfw | Hello DEMOSS |
| 00:00.37 | DEMOSS | i have i little question - in default mysql on debian not shared 3306 port to network ?? |
| 00:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | Turns out that kde is in metapackages, not tasks, so... |
| 00:00.58 | syn4pse | hmm on my server it was bound to localhost as far as i remember |
| 00:01.04 | syn4pse | you should be able to edit it in the /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 00:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | DEMOSS: Yes, you have to tell it to listen on the external port. |
| 00:01.34 | syn4pse | change bindadrress |
| 00:01.40 | syn4pse | and reload /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 00:01.41 | DEMOSS | syn4pse: thnx )) i try it - i have 2 vms and wanna connect ferst VM to database on second machine |
| 00:01.46 | Boohemian | hi, does anyone here use mysql 5.5.8 instead of the mysql version in debian lenny ? |
| 00:02.03 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yes, but somehow debian-installer manages to get "desktop task" to install kde. I have not looked into that really though |
| 00:02.21 | syn4pse | nope but i guess in #mysql u ll have more luck finding one |
| 00:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | I don't want to risk ending up with gnome. |
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| 00:04.47 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: hehe, I have used desktop=xfce in d-i and it is still scary selecting desktop |
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| 00:06.27 | DEMOSS | hmm |
| 00:06.44 | DEMOSS | i have skip-external-connection in my.cnf |
| 00:07.14 | mrkotfw | :-) |
| 00:07.19 | mrkotfw | Running Squeeze! Yay! |
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| 00:08.09 | DEMOSS | syn4pse: i change bind adress to local adress VM and have the error |
| 00:08.18 | syn4pse | nah |
| 00:08.22 | syn4pse | change it to your actual ip |
| 00:08.27 | syn4pse | that shows up entering ifconfig |
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| 00:08.56 | syn4pse | might be some kind of localip like 192.168 172.16 or 10.10 |
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| 00:09.27 | Caffeine | How should I go about getting libQtNetwork.so.4 the correct way? I can't find it in apt .. |
| 00:09.38 | jordanm | !apt-file |
| 00:09.38 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 00:10.05 | Caffeine | Thanks, trying it. |
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| 00:11.07 | DEMOSS | syn4pse: it is VM |
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| 00:11.34 | DEMOSS | 192.168.169.129 \\ 192.168.169.130 |
| 00:14.13 | nucc1 | hi, please what do i need to install to get the gnome gvfs devel files? |
| 00:14.19 | acemi | DEMOSS: if you comment the bind-address line, mysql listens all interfaces/IPs |
| 00:16.54 | DEMOSS | not working |
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| 00:17.55 | acemi | DEMOSS: is there an error message |
| 00:18.08 | DEMOSS | VMware Network Adapter VMnet8 |
| 00:18.54 | DEMOSS | mysql error nr 1130 / host test2 not allowed connection database |
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| 00:19.28 | DEMOSS | not allowed connect to this mysql server |
| 00:19.45 | acemi | DEMOSS: it seems it works but there is no access for user@% |
| 00:20.18 | acemi | DEMOSS: did you set a password for 'user'@'%' |
| 00:20.35 | bonixavier | hi. is anybody running Squeeze XFCE? |
| 00:21.45 | bonixavier | how much memory does Squeeze XFCE require for the base desktop? |
| 00:22.07 | DEMOSS | now i try it |
| 00:23.02 | bonixavier | I thought XFCE would be more popular... |
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| 00:31.29 | bonixavier | Can anyone running Squeeze and XFCE do me a favor and type "free -m" in the terminal and tell me the output, please? |
| 00:34.22 | DEMOSS | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 00:34.27 | DEMOSS | WORKING !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:34.43 | DEMOSS | acemi: Thank you wery much )))) |
| 00:34.57 | acemi | np |
| 00:36.01 | DEMOSS | now i can try it on real VM on my dedicated server )) |
| 00:36.44 | acemi | real virtual? |
| 00:37.13 | DEMOSS | yes - this is tested VM - i do it 1 hour older to try do it ) |
| 00:37.50 | DEMOSS | and i have real VM machine ( KVM ) on my dedicated server ( 12 ) |
| 00:38.12 | DEMOSS | it is working 1 month - have working sites and project |
| 00:39.00 | DEMOSS | acemi: i wanna ask you - what is it- replication status ?? i can creat mysql database whoose can be CLONE of other DB ?? |
| 00:39.37 | acemi | DEMOSS: no idea, i didn't use replication |
| 00:39.56 | DEMOSS | ok thanks |
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| 00:43.49 | bonixavier | lol. 632 members and no one is willing to type free -m. bye debian. |
| 00:43.59 | xk | heh |
| 00:44.52 | Coweater | bonixavier: not that it'll be very relevant since i'm running a handful of apps, but i'm at about 700M usage right now (excluding buffers/cache) |
| 00:45.04 | Coweater | or you could be a jerk about it, nobody is here to serve you |
| 00:45.37 | macrobat | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 00:45.55 | bonixavier | Coweater: I know no one is here to serve me and I don't expect that. Just common courtesy |
| 00:47.07 | bonixavier | macrobat: thanks, I know how to read the output of the command. I'm just torn between Debian and Slack for an old pc I got and Debian takes too long to install. I was hoping someone could help me make a more informed decision |
| 00:47.51 | Caffeine | bonixavier: I would do it, but I'm running Gnome on Mint over Debian in a VM.. won't help you :P |
| 00:48.05 | bonixavier | Caffeine: no prob. thx |
| 00:48.20 | Agiofws | hey |
| 00:48.24 | Caffeine | For an old pc... wouldn't something like damnsmall linux be interesting? .. depend how old I guess |
| 00:49.05 | Caffeine | I also have a quite old PC for which I don't know what to install.. a mainstream GUI distro is quite slow on it |
| 00:49.12 | bonixavier | Caffeine: it's a Duron with 256 ram so I was hoping I could even dodge LXDE |
| 00:49.47 | bonixavier | I could get between 60-70 mb with Slack for the base desktop. |
| 00:49.54 | bonixavier | with Xfce |
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| 00:50.03 | bonixavier | I was wondering if Debian was lighet |
| 00:50.04 | Caffeine | that seems reasonable |
| 00:50.05 | Agiofws | i have upgraded from lenny to squeeze but i am getting undifined symbols messages "please use attr or attrs in any instance of sysfs" in my boot up logs which is taking ages to boot up can ANYONE in this channel help me out ? this is been bugging me for a month now since i upgraded to squeeze |
| 00:50.41 | macrobat | i'd say xfce4 is a bit larger than older versions |
| 00:50.58 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$uname -a |
| 00:50.59 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.31.6 #6 SMP Mon Dec 20 02:25:30 EET 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:51.53 | bonixavier | macrobat: that's true. I toyed with Sarge in a vm and gnome itself was around 70mb. now gnome's consumption is ridiculous |
| 00:52.17 | macrobat | there are things like fluxbox or awesome |
| 00:52.34 | Agiofws | I ended up giving in and just downloading the Debian 5.0.4 Network Install CD ISO's and reloading it from scratch. So, this post is to warn others that the Debian dist-upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze is broken by udev. |
| 00:52.39 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:52.56 | bonixavier | I know. I was thinking I could go with openbox. adding wbar, tint2 and feh, it's almost a de |
| 00:53.44 | bonixavier | but I like a more complete interface. |
| 00:57.24 | bonixavier | ok. thank you all for helping. see you around. |
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| 00:58.18 | torny | hallo |
| 01:04.30 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone. |
| 01:04.40 | mrkotfw | What is the preferred method of seeing what services are running? |
| 01:04.48 | mrkotfw | I know update-rcd is to manipulate the services |
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| 01:08.06 | wobblyonions | Hi all, I have installed tftpd etc but when trying to copy something using tftp I am getting TFTP: error code 2 received - Access violation anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:08.37 | wobblyonions | do I need to edit the /etc/inetd.conf file to point it to the /tftpboot dir or anything special etc |
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| 01:10.22 | Accelerator | Where are shared libraries stored in debian? and is there a way to find what shared libraries a .so file uses? |
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| 01:11.24 | texel | Accelerator: an so is a shared library. |
| 01:11.40 | texel | Accelerator: and they're usually stored in places called "lib": /lib, /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib |
| 01:11.58 | Accelerator | Specifically, for things such as "/usr/lib/php5/20060613/xsl.so" |
| 01:12.05 | texel | Accelerator: you can use 'ldd' to find out what a shared library needs. |
| 01:12.06 | Accelerator | I need to copy the shared libraried for everything in the folder |
| 01:12.16 | texel | Accelerator: so just 'ldd /usr/lib/php5/20060613/xls.so' |
| 01:12.17 | Accelerator | Originally, I did |
| 01:12.21 | Accelerator | But I get this ugly thing. |
| 01:12.35 | Accelerator | Oh wait |
| 01:12.37 | Accelerator | it worked this time |
| 01:12.38 | texel | But that won't tell you what it brings in via dlopen() |
| 01:12.59 | Accelerator | Well basically |
| 01:13.01 | Accelerator | Here's my problem |
| 01:13.02 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/private/oe5ni0fvgjxfsn0qyf9ow |
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| 01:13.24 | Accelerator | lighttpd is running chroot in /cserver/ and I need to copy everything it needs over. The script I was given fails to do so |
| 01:13.35 | Accelerator | It doesn't seem to find anything |
| 01:14.01 | Accelerator | But ldd is showing what it's saying is missing. |
| 01:14.15 | Accelerator | Guess the script just isn't working, thanks. I'll try manually doing it all.. heh |
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| 01:18.58 | adequa | guys, shotwell or f-spot or somethine else? |
| 01:19.11 | adequa | what's your pick |
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| 01:27.31 | m4t | hey, is squeeze using upstart or standard sysvinit? |
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| 01:30.52 | Accelerator | Is there not an easy way to copy all the files from the ldd output? Eg, http://pastie.org/1390792 <- Copy everything over to /cserver/* (* replacing the path of the ldd file, eg. /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4, so /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4 will be copied to /cserver/usr/lib/libcurl.so.4, and same for /lib/) |
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| 01:31.22 | macrobat | you can install upstart, it's not default |
| 01:31.41 | Accelerator | upstart? |
| 01:32.15 | aLemmer | Hello, I'm trying to get my S-VIDEO out to work on my card. Apparently, by default in Debian I have to edit a config file, but isn't there just some app I can install that will detect the second monitor (a TV via S-VIDEO)? Ubuntu automatically detected it. |
| 01:32.47 | aLemmer | Ubuntu detected it after I launched the screen resolution app that came with it. |
| 01:35.11 | SparFux | What does write to resolv.conf in /etc except package resolvconf? |
| 01:36.02 | SparFux | with no action of me, this files gets written only with one line "nameserver 127.0.0.1" |
| 01:36.02 | Accelerator | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_djULkcfdXgJ:www.h3manth.com/content/copying-shared-library-dependencies+copy+ldd+libraries&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Lovely little script I found. Doesn't do like I said about the copying to the correct /usr/lib or /lib/ folder, but no big deal. |
| 01:36.36 | m4t | macrobat thanks |
| 01:37.12 | m4t | if i were to install squeeze in the next couple weeks, would it become the 'release' through successive apt-gets? |
| 01:37.24 | m4t | i guess it would, really |
| 01:37.32 | aLemmer | Is there an easy way to get Debian to detect a second monitor, which really is a TV on my S-VIDEO out? |
| 01:38.07 | macrobat | m4t: aptitude is usually recommended over apt-get |
| 01:38.41 | macrobat | aLemmer: depends on your gfx card. try xrandr |
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| 01:43.41 | aLemmer | Thanks macrobat, I'll give it a try. It's some crappy onboard. |
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| 01:45.20 | macrobat | i mean if it is nvidia, there is nvidia-settings. |
| 01:45.56 | aLemmer | Nope, it isn't. |
| 01:46.32 | SparFux | he, a file changing its content automatically and no clue what causes it. that's weird! |
| 01:47.44 | macrobat | SparFux: lsof that file |
| 01:49.24 | macrobat | isn't resolv.conf g enerated by dhcpcd? |
| 01:50.07 | SparFux | macrobat: nothing. |
| 01:50.29 | SparFux | macrobat: dhclient perhaps? |
| 01:50.41 | macrobat | or that |
| 01:52.33 | SparFux | hm... well, I have dhclient running for two interfaces. |
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| 02:06.48 | WormFood | I think microsoft sponsors the pulseaudio project, to wreak havoc on Linux systems, to make them unusable as a desktop (at least for audio) |
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| 02:10.42 | Caffeine | hehe :P Maybe! .. I don't know what's so complicated about audio.. :S |
| 02:11.19 | WormFood | pulseaudio makes it more complicated, by the fact it does not work worth a shit....I'm not the only one with massive problems with pulseaudio |
| 02:11.59 | WormFood | pulse audio literally makes sound on my desktop useless....sometimes it works, sometimes it don't work....and it is soooo cool, when it plays 15 minutes of audio in about 15 seconds |
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| 02:26.13 | Accelerator | Where is debians rc.conf? |
| 02:26.48 | dvs | !wayttd Accelerator |
| 02:26.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Accelerator? |
| 02:27.19 | Accelerator | Manually add a domain to my server. |
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| 02:28.03 | dvs | Accelerator: that's part of the resolv.conf file |
| 02:28.05 | Accelerator | For some reason it seems impossible for any single guide on the face of the unvierse to give out vital information like this. |
| 02:28.25 | xk | rc.conf comes from where? |
| 02:28.34 | Accelerator | "Here's how you add the domain name to your HTTPd's conf. We asume it will then just magically work for you." |
| 02:28.45 | Accelerator | is annoyed. |
| 02:29.00 | Accelerator | dvs, where is /that/? |
| 02:29.10 | Accelerator | Nevermind |
| 02:30.28 | Accelerator | So if I want to add a domain to my server to run through lighttpd, I just add "search domainname.tld" to that file.. |
| 02:30.33 | Accelerator | Then what about DNS? |
| 02:30.47 | hellnest | rc.conf only exist in arch |
| 02:30.49 | hellnest | :) |
| 02:31.16 | Accelerator | I've never had to do this so I seriously don't understnad how to manually get a domain name working. |
| 02:31.38 | Accelerator | and I don't get why it's nearly impossible to find a guide on hwo to do it |
| 02:31.58 | hellnest | you want to manually set your DNS? |
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| 02:32.00 | hellnest | or? |
| 02:32.10 | Accelerator | Manually, automatically, I want it working. |
| 02:32.20 | Accelerator | I don't want it using PLESK |
| 02:32.26 | Accelerator | I want it working through lighttpd on another IP. |
| 02:32.43 | LaptopBrain | try /etc/hosts, or dick around with bind zonefiles |
| 02:33.39 | Accelerator | Is there any documentation on this anywhere.. really.. |
| 02:33.46 | Accelerator | There's no way in hell there isn't |
| 02:33.59 | Accelerator | I'm just going hopping around random files with no specific purpose |
| 02:34.21 | Accelerator | Unless every person in the world relies on a web admin panel |
| 02:34.26 | Accelerator | and only they know how to do it |
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| 02:40.12 | hellnest | any luck inside wiki page? |
| 02:40.32 | hellnest | don't have a clue with network stuff... |
| 02:40.35 | Accelerator | http://theotaku.me |
| 02:40.42 | Accelerator | Web admin pannels think they are god. |
| 02:40.50 | Accelerator | I swear to god I'm going to uninstall this POS. |
| 02:41.01 | Accelerator | I want to get this domain name working with lighttpd |
| 02:41.17 | Accelerator | I don't want PLESKs pathetic little hands even TOUCHING it. |
| 02:41.19 | Accelerator | It shouldn't have ANY CONTROL over it |
| 02:41.27 | Accelerator | Yeah forget this it's all going down. |
| 02:41.49 | Accelerator | I'm going to learn how to do all this manually, then I'm developing my own admin pannel. Fuck this. |
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| 04:55.02 | tharkun | Accelerator: What is your status at the mommet? |
| 04:57.28 | Accelerator | tharkun, Playing Minecraft..? |
| 04:58.04 | tharkun | ok |
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| 05:05.43 | nirazio | Is there a GUI for copying LAMP server from one system to another system?? |
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| 05:12.55 | nirazio | I have an old Ubuntu LAMP server. I'd like to move the webpage over to a newer Ubuntu server and I'm wondering what the easiest way to backup and restore the webpage would be? Or just the easiest way to transfer the settings to a new server. |
| 05:17.05 | Accelerator | tharkun, Can I help you? |
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| 05:22.33 | xk | 1TB - FREE |
| 05:22.33 | xk | Monthly Data Transfer! |
| 05:22.35 | xk | er |
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| 05:54.00 | benignbala | Hi, is there a way I can check what all patches have been applied to a given software ? |
| 05:54.09 | benignbala | I am on Lenny |
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| 05:56.36 | `Assassin | When I install an Iceweasel add-on through the Debian repositories, where is it located? |
| 05:56.44 | _genuser_ | hello peoples |
| 05:58.33 | Infra_3600 | `Assassin, dpkg -L iceweasel-my-addon ? |
| 05:58.55 | `Assassin | Thanks, Infra_3600. |
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| 06:06.55 | `Assassin | Well, Infra_3600, I was certain that would show what I'm looking for, but it's not. There's not a Debian package in the repositories of NoScript specifically for NoScript, so I'm trying to install it manually by finding the .xpi file on my disk. dpkg -L xul-ext-noscript shows no .xpi file. |
| 06:07.11 | `Assassin | *specifically for Icedove |
| 06:08.19 | `Assassin | I guess I _could_ get it from the Mozilla website, but I like the extra security and convenience of getting it through the Debian repositories. |
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| 06:11.17 | Arrowmaster | `Assassin: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/xul-ext-noscript/filelist |
| 06:11.26 | Arrowmaster | there is no .xpi |
| 06:12.13 | Infra_3600 | `Assassin, non-debian-packges is in your repository ?? 0_o show me cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v ^deb ?? |
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| 06:14.32 | `Assassin | I'm sorry, Infra_3600. I'm trying to see where I said I have 'non-debian' packages in my repositories. |
| 06:15.16 | `Assassin | I have a Crunchbang software source, but that's really irrelevant. |
| 06:18.23 | hellnest | anyone know how to apply .patch file into current kernel / software? |
| 06:22.12 | Arrowmaster | a .patch can be applied with the patch command |
| 06:24.05 | hellnest | patch namefile <- like that? |
| 06:24.59 | benignbala | hellnest: patch current_file patchfile.patch |
| 06:25.46 | hellnest | benignbala: can it applied to the current running kernel? or must use source and recompile it again |
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| 06:29.16 | Dewi | hellnest: source & recompile |
| 06:29.38 | hellnest | Dewi: thanks ;) |
| 06:29.41 | Dewi | hellnest: unless you're talking about a module or a binary patch |
| 06:30.05 | hellnest | for module and binary i don't have to recompile it again ? |
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| 06:37.03 | beemer | also is there a way to flip the getty terms 180 degrees vertically on startup? |
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| 06:42.18 | nirazio | I'd like Software Center, Update Manager and some other system management applications to work without asking for password (like sudo does if configured with NOPASSWD) but only asking for a confirmation instead, or even without any confirmation. At the same time I wouldn't like to use no user password et all. Is this reachable? |
| 06:42.58 | hellnest | using root account :) |
| 06:44.41 | nirazio | That's not the good idea.. |
| 06:44.56 | beemer | how do i quiet down these syslog messages from printing to my terminal |
| 06:45.04 | beemer | im on a fresh lenny install |
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| 06:54.30 | nirazio | How to remove authentication for software center from being asking for password?? |
| 06:57.38 | Dewi | nirazio: hrm, is that using gksudo? I wonder if it obeys the NOPASSWD option in /etc/sudoers |
| 06:58.00 | nirazio | yes |
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| 07:17.59 | laurus | I'm trying to manually compile and install Guile 1.9.14. However, it depends on a version of libgc-dev that is 7.0 and up, i.e. only the version in experimental will do. How should I proceed to install it, if at all? |
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| 07:20.20 | Dewi | laurus: sounds like a crap package to backport |
| 07:20.28 | laurus | Dewi, what do you mean? |
| 07:20.31 | hid3 | yeah |
| 07:20.47 | hid3 | it's easier to migrate to sid then, I'd say |
| 07:21.02 | Dewi | laurus: might be a good time to ignore dpkg and build the upstream |
| 07:21.21 | laurus | Well, here's something that might help: |
| 07:21.33 | laurus | Guile's ./configure script uses pkg-config to discover the correct compile and link options for libgc and libffi. If you don't have pkg-config installed, or you have a version of libgc that doesn't provide a .pc file, you can work around this by setting some variables as part of the configure command-line |
| 07:21.44 | laurus | Is that the way to go? |
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| 07:22.40 | Dewi | laurus: perhaps that's the reason for the high version dep. Another option of course is to edit deps and see what happens with an older libgc |
| 07:23.27 | Dewi | and maybe then you'll run into that variables problem |
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| 07:23.50 | Dewi | and edit the ./configure command line? |
| 07:24.02 | laurus | I guess I'm just totally lost. What I wish I could do is download the version of libgc-dev that they recommend and then do the ./configure using that... but I don't get how. |
| 07:24.54 | Dewi | laurus: if it was just the -dev package I'd tell you to bring up a system in a VM and upgrade to experimental like there's no tomorrow, cause you can then trash it |
| 07:25.12 | Dewi | laurus: build-VMs (or build chroots) can be very handy |
| 07:25.24 | laurus | Dewi, yeah... I'm kind of ticked off they require this |
| 07:25.34 | Dewi | laurus: however if the resulting package requires a ridiculously new libgc, you'd be back where you starrted |
| 07:26.14 | hacker_kid | i have pptpd setup on a machine acting as my router, attempting to connect i get that mppe negotiation failed, im using an up to date client and the stock lenny kernel which i believe supports mppe, log files here http://pastebin.com/hu6WN1xs |
| 07:26.24 | hacker_kid | any ideas? |
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| 07:28.05 | Dewi | hacker_kid: is MPPE enabled on the client? |
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| 07:28.22 | hacker_kid | dewi, i believe it is but let me verify |
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| 07:29.53 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 07:30.14 | laurus | Hello sobersabre |
| 07:30.21 | Dewi | hacker_kid: howto suggests 'require-mppe-128' in the /etc/ppp/peers/$TUNNEL file |
| 07:30.36 | sobersabre | Is there a way to add package repository from packages.debian.org |
| 07:30.38 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 07:31.02 | Dewi | hacker_kid: it also suggests testing the kernel module availability like this - modprobe ppp-compress-18 && echo success |
| 07:31.10 | Dewi | but I dunno if you're using that exact module name on your kernel or not |
| 07:31.16 | hacker_kid | dewi, im going to hit myself, the client is running an ancient kernel |
| 07:32.53 | laurus | Dewi, what is a "linker flag" in ./configure? |
| 07:33.13 | Dewi | laurus: any flag that affects the linking stage I guess |
| 07:33.56 | laurus | Dewi, it says: BDW_GC_CFLAGS=<compile flags for picking up libgc headers> |
| 07:33.59 | Dewi | laurus: e.g. -L<lib dir> if you have libraries in a nonstandard directory <lib dir> |
| 07:34.02 | laurus | But I have no idea what to put after that = sign |
| 07:34.22 | laurus | Oh, so I would put ='-L/home/...' ? |
| 07:34.39 | Dewi | laurus: well what you just said is compile-time stuff |
| 07:34.49 | Dewi | laurus: compiler needs headers, linker needs binaries |
| 07:35.11 | laurus | Ah, ok. It provides for both it seems |
| 07:35.31 | Dewi | so generally the compiler needs a .h file and linker needs a .o or .so file |
| 07:35.37 | Dewi | or that kind of thing anyway, it's pretty variable |
| 07:36.15 | Dewi | laurus: so CFLAGS are always addressing the compiler, and LDFLAGS refer to the linker |
| 07:36.24 | laurus | Dewi, I see... Do I have to compile the gc stuff before compiling Guile and linking to it? |
| 07:37.05 | Dewi | laurus: you need libgc-dev installed |
| 07:37.23 | laurus | Dewi, I mean, I'm trying to avoid doing that by linking to this downloaded verison I have |
| 07:37.39 | Dewi | laurus: of guile, or libgc |
| 07:37.55 | laurus | Dewi, well, I've downloaded both of them and put them in subdirectories of my Desktop :P |
| 07:38.00 | laurus | And I'm trying to compile Guile there |
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| 07:38.32 | Dewi | thing is, the dev libgc you build against needs to be pretty close to the libgc installed on the target system |
| 07:39.01 | zxd | what is Provides: section in debian package used for |
| 07:39.07 | Dewi | laurus: is libgc hard to backport from experimental? |
| 07:39.22 | laurus | Dewi, um, not sure... hehe, should I risk it? |
| 07:40.01 | Dewi | laurus: well, it's gonna be a PITA to juggle two versions on one system |
| 07:40.12 | laurus | Ah ok. |
| 07:40.22 | laurus | Well I'll try it then. Where are the instructions for backporting again? |
| 07:40.23 | Dewi | laurus: so the question is, would the new version break other stuff if you backported it, OR does guile actually need it? |
| 07:40.35 | laurus | Dewi, I'm sure Guile needs it |
| 07:42.47 | laurus | Why is it so hard to juggle two versions on one system? |
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| 07:43.44 | Dewi | laurus: um |
| 07:43.55 | Dewi | laurus: yeah looooooots of stuff seems to use libgc |
| 07:44.10 | Dewi | laurus: so what form of new libgc do you have there? |
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| 07:44.32 | laurus | Dewi, the one available from http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/ |
| 07:44.40 | laurus | Specifically, version 7.1. |
| 07:45.20 | Dewi | laurus: I guess what I'd try would be... configure libgc with a --prefix under /usr/local or /opt, so you can run 'make install' as a non-root user and avoid breaking anything seriously |
| 07:45.31 | nirazio | How to disable password authentication for software centre??? |
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| 07:45.48 | Dewi | laurus: then for guile --configure you can hopefully reference the alternative location and get it using that one instead of the system default libgc |
| 07:46.04 | Dewi | laurus: and I'd keep using the prefix/non-root install approach with guile too |
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| 07:47.22 | Dewi | laurus: it's not something I do that regularly. Sorry I can't be more than vague on this |
| 07:47.31 | laurus | Dewi, thanks, you are helping a lot. |
| 07:47.32 | laurus | :) |
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| 07:50.12 | laurus | Dewi, I just installed the package from experimental repository :P |
| 07:50.18 | laurus | Taking a risk :P |
| 07:50.28 | Dewi | should not be much risk installing the -dev |
| 07:50.34 | Dewi | you can remove it when build is done |
| 07:50.44 | laurus | It also installed something else too :P |
| 07:50.50 | Dewi | yeah, probably :P |
| 07:50.55 | Dewi | well good luck, hehe |
| 07:51.16 | Dewi | dpkg doesn't support downgrades, but in the lib case it should still be doable |
| 07:51.16 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Dewi |
| 07:51.24 | Dewi | dpkg: NOT YOU |
| 07:51.24 | dpkg | not me! |
| 07:51.55 | laurus | Thanks Dewi! |
| 07:52.18 | Arrowmaster | unless its libc |
| 07:52.23 | Dewi | * that said I have no idea *how* you'd force a downgrade |
| 07:52.28 | Arrowmaster | trying to downgrade that never ends well |
| 07:52.31 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: this is libgc, but it's still pretty widely used |
| 07:52.57 | Dewi | it seems to be divided across a few binary packages tho, which I don't really understand |
| 07:53.14 | Dewi | and only one of them is on my system |
| 07:53.21 | nirazio | How to disable password authentication for software centre??? |
| 07:53.26 | Dewi | so maybe you can avoid upgrading the fundamental one, I dunno |
| 07:53.59 | laurus | Well, my computer is still running even with this newer version, and things seem to be working |
| 07:54.10 | laurus | I thought everything might just suddenly die :P |
| 07:55.14 | Dewi | laurus: open file handles will keep old files around, so existing stuff can survive a lot |
| 07:55.21 | laurus | Oh |
| 07:55.23 | laurus | Heh |
| 07:55.33 | Dewi | laurus: you can't see the old files, but the system won't actually erase open files |
| 07:55.53 | laurus | Ugh, it's still not even installing even after upgrading libgc-dev |
| 07:56.17 | Dewi | laurus: is this apt-get build-dep ? |
| 07:56.33 | laurus | Dewi, no, I just did the aptitude install -t experimental libgc-dev |
| 07:56.37 | laurus | And now I'm running ./configure on Guile |
| 07:56.50 | Dewi | laurus: is the new guile packaged? |
| 07:56.57 | laurus | Dewi, no, I just downloaded it. |
| 07:57.03 | Arrowmaster | ,versions guile |
| 07:57.04 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'guile' was found in i386. |
| 07:57.44 | Dewi | laurus: well to get ./configure to finish you might need to work on the flags for referencing the headers and libraries |
| 07:58.28 | Dewi | laurus: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ia64/libgc-dev/filelist |
| 07:59.05 | Dewi | laurus: so the compiler will want something from /usr/include there, and linker will want something from /usr/lib |
| 08:02.08 | laurus | Dewi, got it working, thanks a lot for everything! |
| 08:04.28 | Dewi | nirazio: try using visudo to add a line to your /etc/sudoers file like this - nirazio ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/command-line-for-software-tool |
| 08:04.49 | Dewi | nirazio: but it's not something most of us would have done; we are used to authing to upgrade the system |
| 08:05.05 | Dewi | laurus: cool. I'm glad you got it sorted! |
| 08:06.18 | laurus | Thank you again! :) |
| 08:07.19 | nirazio | Dewi: I have added that line.But still it's asking for password |
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| 08:11.31 | laurus | Good night :) |
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| 08:23.39 | rubin110 | Is there some magical way to have ping print what interface it's firing off of? |
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| 08:26.42 | rubin110 | Never mind. |
| 08:26.44 | sep | rubin110, you can force it with -I . |
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| 08:30.24 | nirazio | What method of authentication Does software-center use? |
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| 08:40.35 | Bushmills | what could I use to listen to a podcast on my debian notebook? |
| 08:40.37 | aLemmer | Hey, I'm having a really hard time getting s-video to work on my GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x. |
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| 08:40.53 | Bushmills | audacious, mplayer don't seem to want to. |
| 08:41.33 | Bushmills | podracer? |
| 08:41.52 | Bushmills | dradio? |
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| 08:42.10 | aLemmer | I always get an error message when trying to download an nVidia package from Synaptic. |
| 08:42.18 | aLemmer | Like... any of them. |
| 08:42.45 | aLemmer | I tried compiling from source, but to no avail. |
| 08:46.24 | Bushmills | dradio doesn't seem to - complains about illegal local char encoding in podcast. |
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| 09:12.15 | Bushmills | podracer did it. |
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| 09:35.07 | ethanol | l |
| 09:35.09 | ethanol | errr |
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| 09:50.40 | jugshark | hey |
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| 09:52.25 | jugshark | hey has anyone installed vlc 1.1.5 on lenny ? |
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| 10:12.31 | Zopieux | hi. |
| 10:12.48 | Zopieux | i need the "javac" tool to compile java files |
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| 10:12.58 | Zopieux | I can't find the required debian package |
| 10:13.03 | Zopieux | can I get some help? |
| 10:13.09 | jadz0r | what package? |
| 10:13.27 | Zopieux | the one to use "javac" tool |
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| 10:15.59 | Arrowmaster | try default-jdk |
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| 10:17.06 | Zopieux | thanks |
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| 10:19.33 | jadz0r | Is there a standard way of creating new users, similar to www-data that (I assume) have no password? These users are very very restricted in what they can do and are merely used for running specific scripts under their home directory? |
| 10:20.05 | jadz0r | I want to restrict who can sudo as that user as well |
| 10:20.21 | Sir-Integra | hey, I have installed debian etch 4.0r1, I need it because one of our servers is running it (I know it's old etc and not supported anymore), I went to install gcc but all the repo's I have listed don't work? does anyone know where I can still find it? |
| 10:20.25 | Sir-Integra | repo's that is |
| 10:21.17 | Zopieux | it worked Arrowmaster many thanks |
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| 10:21.53 | zwt | hi all |
| 10:22.06 | zwt | I want to install centos from debian using kickstart file |
| 10:22.14 | zwt | how can I specify in grub? |
| 10:22.28 | zwt | using ks=http://domain/ks.cfg doesnt seem to be work |
| 10:24.17 | jelly | zwt: domain? Try giving in an ip address there to evade depending on DNS |
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| 10:24.28 | jelly | giving it* |
| 10:24.38 | zwt | hm |
| 10:24.52 | zwt | jelly: lets see |
| 10:25.04 | jelly | this has very little to do with Debian, though |
| 10:25.40 | zwt | well yeah but I dont know where should I ask:p |
| 10:26.01 | zwt | anyway if I used a domain after the reboot it was asking for the path of the kickstart file |
| 10:26.16 | zwt | If I specified there using domain then it accepted |
| 10:26.25 | zwt | and installation started |
| 10:27.02 | zwt | jelly: so ks=ip/file is the right format or url=ip/file? |
| 10:27.35 | jelly | zwt: I meant http://ip/file |
| 10:27.56 | zwt | right but with ks= or url=? |
| 10:28.10 | jelly | I don't know aout that |
| 10:28.24 | zwt | ok |
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| 10:30.43 | Sir-Integra | I messaged dpkg with etch sources.list |
| 10:30.56 | Sir-Integra | now I added that, but i do apt-get install gcc and it's failing? |
| 10:31.52 | shalok | Can someone using amarok please see if the global shortcut meta+- works if they use the minus on the keypad? |
| 10:32.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell Sir-Integra about bat |
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| 10:32.44 | jelly | Sir-Integra: you need to apt-get update before installing anything from a newly added repository, did you? |
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| 10:38.23 | Bushmills | etch? |
| 10:39.15 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 10:39.15 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 10:40.21 | jelly | Bushmills: you might have missed <Sir-Integra> hey, I have installed debian etch 4.0r1, I need it because one of our servers is running it (I know it's old etc and not supported anymore) <-- this bit |
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| 10:42.43 | Bushmills | yes, i did. even though, "because it runs" may not be the best reason for keeping it etch. especially not if it is "one of our servers" in the light of "security support ended" - but i'm not the one to talk policy here. |
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| 10:47.30 | Sir-Integra | Bushmills, It's an internal server, I had to download it because we removed the compilers on that server, so i need the exact one to recompile one of our tools on it. |
| 10:48.00 | Sir-Integra | jelly, I fixed the other error, was my mistake, seems it never connected to the network correctly, but i came accross this error http://paste.debian.net/102824/ |
| 10:49.06 | Bushmills | Sir-Integra: keeping one of those etch ISOs may be a good idea for the future. |
| 10:50.09 | jelly | Sir-Integra: install debian-archive-keyring package, or /msg dpkg import gpg key |
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| 11:17.25 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 11:17.47 | Azrael_- | is there a xen-enabled kernel for pv except the xen-kernel for dom0? |
| 11:18.57 | petemc | is there any xen kernel except for the xen kernel? |
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| 11:20.11 | petemc | you mean for the domU? you can just use any kernel afaik |
| 11:20.12 | Vardan | hi all |
| 11:21.09 | Vardan | people I have build debian-installer and in dist/cdrom/gtk I have debian-cd_info.tar.gz, initrd.gz and vmlinuz. Now how can I create iso (CD) with that files? |
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| 11:30.28 | pfui | is a release by christmas still possible? |
| 11:31.21 | daemonkeeper | Sure. You will get it as christmas gift. |
| 11:31.29 | daemonkeeper | Just believe. |
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| 11:33.10 | pfui | heh |
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| 11:35.18 | djszapi | How can I cleanup the repository after a dpkg-buildpkg run ? |
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| 11:38.35 | whack | Is there a way to get apt/dpkg and friends to not run the {pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts? I didn't see anything obvious in the apt.conf manpage, and nothing obvious in dpkg's docs |
| 11:41.07 | ksk | "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" - where could i find information on how to make this a permanent change? |
| 11:43.01 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.21 | ksk | thanks. |
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| 11:45.22 | whack | Well, I found one way - i could hook DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs and have a script that strips thte scripts from the .deb, but is there a better way? |
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| 11:56.11 | yang | is there any package in debian which could be used for web shop/store, I went through with the search and didn't get any hits |
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| 11:56.33 | omes | yang: osCommerce? |
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| 11:58.10 | omes | technically not an official package per se, but it _is_ packaged... |
| 11:58.35 | omes | deb'ed even |
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| 12:00.28 | yang | omes: can't find "oscommerce" |
| 12:00.42 | omes | yang: oscomerce.com |
| 12:00.57 | omes | like i said, it's not in the official debian repository |
| 12:01.09 | omes | don't ask me why not as it's GPL'ed :) |
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| 12:06.41 | blue_sky | is linux-source-2.6.26 pkg different to the real source tree? I'd like to know if I can install a kernel source tree that is more recent than is available in Debian stable. |
| 12:09.33 | omes | blue_sky: the short answer is "yes", obviously... |
| 12:10.40 | omes | that is if i parse "real source tree" correctly ;) |
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| 12:11.54 | omes | and unless you know what you're doing you want to use the sources for the kernel that you're actually using |
| 12:11.54 | abrotman | there is one |
| 12:12.27 | abrotman | now if only i could remember the name :) |
| 12:12.42 | blue_sky | omes: I need to build for a different machine, different architecture. |
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| 12:12.53 | abrotman | judd: info interchange --release squeeze |
| 12:12.55 | judd | Package interchange (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: e-commerce and general HTTP database display system. Version: 5.7.6-2; Size: 1166.4k; Installed: 4968k; Homepage: http://www.icdevgroup.org/ |
| 12:12.57 | abrotman | but it's not in lenny |
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| 12:13.59 | omes | blue_sky: then you want to use the sources for the kernel that that machine will be using |
| 12:15.06 | frikinz | blue_sky: you could extract the binary package on the root. And then execute the postinst script to depmod, install grub,.. |
| 12:16.02 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:17.08 | blue_sky | omes: yes, so if I DL 2.5.35 from kernel.org, can kpkg use that tree to build a kernel, or does a Debian kernel source package contain specific Debian stuff that would mean kpkg wouldn't work? |
| 12:17.20 | blue_sky | s/2.5/2.6/ |
| 12:17.59 | omes | blue_sky: short answer is "it depends" |
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| 12:18.35 | omes | err, sorry no i don't know |
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| 12:18.44 | omes | i read "build a module" hehe |
| 12:19.14 | omes | I've never done that, hehe |
| 12:19.18 | blue_sky | omes: hey ho. I need to look at 2.6.26 and see if it supports my hardware. |
| 12:19.25 | blue_sky | omes: never built a kernel? |
| 12:19.33 | abrotman | blue_sky: it should work, but yes, the Debian kernels have patches |
| 12:19.49 | abrotman | blue_sky: Why are you building your own kernel? why not just use the package debian provides? |
| 12:19.51 | omes | blue_sky: of course i have, but i haven't used the vanillas with kpkg directly |
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| 12:20.02 | Titosemi | hi guys |
| 12:20.14 | omes | abrotman: cause of support dependant on the newer version i suppose.. |
| 12:20.37 | abrotman | i'm waiting for him to answer? |
| 12:20.48 | omes | abrotman: please do.. |
| 12:20.52 | blue_sky | abrotman: I'm trying to install to a brand new Mac Mini, the install cd boots but cannot find the drive to install, nor can it see the HD, or the Broadcom NIC. I need to built a custom net iinstall cd |
| 12:21.23 | Titosemi | why is a usb device that's always attached to the same port, getting differents /dev/xxx on each reboot? i'm trying to load it from the fstab but the /dev/xxx is changing :( |
| 12:21.25 | omes | blue_sky: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html i guess the first question answers yours ;) |
| 12:21.32 | abrotman | blue_sky: and you tried the squeeze netinst? |
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| 12:22.14 | omes | Titosemi: use UUID? |
| 12:22.20 | blue_sky | abrotman: yes. |
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| 12:22.30 | abrotman | !tell blue_sky about custom netinst |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | blue_sky: there is a .36 kernel in experimental you may be able to leverage |
| 12:23.05 | blue_sky | omes: good find, thanks |
| 12:23.21 | Titosemi | omes: ok, thanks |
| 12:24.06 | omes | np :) |
| 12:24.27 | blue_sky | abrotman: found the cdd, not sure it's right for my situation. Am working through http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD but wanted to check the kernel situation. |
| 12:24.39 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:24.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc5-686 (2.6.37~rc5-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | oh, experimental ha sa .37-ish |
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| 12:25.21 | stuckey | How can I export page 3 of a 3 page pdf to page3.pdf? |
| 12:25.28 | omes | funny how experimental jumps on the release candidate wagon, but insists firefox 4.0 is too beta :P |
| 12:25.32 | blue_sky | abrotman: the experimatal kernel, I'll see how that installs, can't see that I'll get dep probs with it. Will see, thanks for hte pointers. |
| 12:25.52 | abrotman | omes: it's up to the maintainer |
| 12:25.57 | tux33 | shalom :-) |
| 12:26.06 | omes | abrotman: i know.. but there _is_ an overall policy ;) |
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| 12:26.11 | abrotman | there is? |
| 12:26.26 | omes | well, yes obviously |
| 12:26.32 | abrotman | what is it? |
| 12:27.02 | omes | it's in the devel docs |
| 12:27.04 | abrotman | AFAIK, they can pretty much upload whatever they feel like, it's the DDs playground for stuff that might break your system or eat your data .. enjoy! |
| 12:27.13 | omes | abrotman: why are you being such a dick with an attitude? |
| 12:27.22 | abrotman | I'm not |
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| 12:27.27 | omes | Is so! |
| 12:27.39 | abrotman | I just said, I don't think there are really any rules |
| 12:28.38 | abrotman | thought he saw FF4 packages somewhere from the DD though |
| 12:28.50 | omes | abrotman: i distincly remember reading some.. |
| 12:28.54 | Titosemi | omes: which one should i use?? the blkid one or the ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 12:29.13 | omes | abrotman: might not have applied to experimental though |
| 12:29.19 | abrotman | omes: that's my point? :) |
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| 12:29.56 | abrotman | omes: http://mozilla.debian.net/packages/ .. use at your own risk |
| 12:30.06 | omes | abrotman: i know, i wasn't reacting to what you said, just how you came across |
| 12:30.09 | Titosemi | omes: they are not the same, it's the hfsplus one http://pastie.org/1391790 |
| 12:30.16 | omes | abrotman: i already got that in me sources lists ;) |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 12:30.29 | omes | I'm just calling for an official one... |
| 12:30.58 | abrotman | omes: i think some of the teams keep their own kind of experimental .. you wouldn't want joe-blow user finding the IW4 experimetnal debs on packages.debian.org and trying to put them on lenny .. it would create a support nightmare |
| 12:31.02 | omes | or well, more mainstream one, i suppose that *is* official |
| 12:31.27 | omes | abrotman: indeed |
| 12:33.20 | omes | Titosemi: like /etc/fstab says you should use the vol_id one ;) |
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| 12:34.22 | omes | or maybe fstab doesn't say that on stable... (/me is running testing) |
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| 12:36.04 | Titosemi | omes, and that is the second one?? :) |
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| 12:36.48 | omes | Titosemi: i dunno to be honest... |
| 12:36.53 | Titosemi | ok |
| 12:36.56 | Titosemi | i will try |
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| 12:37.00 | Titosemi | thanks |
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| 12:39.11 | simplechat | Hey guys |
| 12:39.22 | simplechat | Why is it that the magic sysreq keys don't disable under lenny? |
| 12:39.33 | simplechat | i fire off an "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq" |
| 12:39.38 | simplechat | and i checked that its still 0 under cat |
| 12:39.52 | simplechat | however when i fire off an echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 12:39.57 | simplechat | i'm greeted by the current task information |
| 12:40.15 | omes | Titosemi: yes, it's the same as in /dev/disks/by-uuid/ |
| 12:40.43 | Titosemi | omes: ok thanks |
| 12:45.11 | abrotman | simplechat: i've used them .. you mean like alt+sysreq+b ? |
| 12:48.32 | simplechat | yeah |
| 12:48.37 | simplechat | i can't turn them off |
| 12:48.52 | abrotman | oh, sorry, i thought you were asking if they were disabled |
| 12:49.17 | simplechat | kk |
| 12:49.22 | Rienzilla | simplechat: does the sysrq key itself work? |
| 12:49.25 | simplechat | nah, my problem is that i turned them off as per the man page |
| 12:49.28 | simplechat | and they arn't gone |
| 12:49.33 | simplechat | Rienzilla, don't know, this is a vm |
| 12:49.36 | Rienzilla | (maybe disbling it only disables the key, not the trigger in /proc) |
| 12:50.01 | simplechat | hmmmm |
| 12:50.40 | Rienzilla | I'm just guessing, but that could be it |
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| 13:09.18 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:09.18 | dpkg | < quadrata> debiant: well, I want to run aol on debian, but my cd only works in windows < quadrata> I'll brb, I gotta get some fruitcake. Hope you guys will help me with the aol soon. |
| 13:10.27 | jauiwojau | I'm trying to install debian (lenny) using the Debian Installer, and I want to do manual partitioning. However, it is not clear to me whether it is required to create a separate boot partition or not. As I read from the debian guide (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en), this seems not to be required. Is this true? |
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| 13:10.56 | abrotman | jauiwojau: doing anything special with LVM or swraid ? |
| 13:11.15 | jauiwojau | abrotman: well, I want to create a fully encrypted installation. |
| 13:11.18 | mguy | jauiwojau: you should |
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| 13:18.51 | jauiwojau | mguy: The debian guide states: 'Be sure to create at least two partitions: one for the root filesystem (which must be mounted as /) and one for swap. If you forget to mount the root filesystem, partman won't let you continue until you correct this issue.' which would imply a boot partition is not required. Is the idea here that the root partition is at the same time the boot partition or so? |
| 13:19.35 | vtts | no |
| 13:19.47 | vtts | root is "/", boot is "/boot" |
| 13:20.09 | jauiwojau | vtts: So what the debian guide states is false? |
| 13:21.00 | vtts | your quote doesn't state anything about boot |
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| 13:21.31 | dkr | jauiwojau: or maybe your perceived implication is incorrect? :) |
| 13:21.56 | dkr | or your wording |
| 13:22.25 | jauiwojau | dkr: Well, perhaps they assume you may want to boot in some other way? (from an external drive or so)? |
| 13:23.27 | jauiwojau | vtts: well it does: it states that you need only 2 partitions (thus not any other, including boot). But I'm open for other interpretations of the sentence/context. |
| 13:23.35 | dkr | jauiwojau: the point of a separate boot partition was for old bios's that couldn't boot from certain parts on the disk because of their growth in size. it's not necessary any more |
| 13:23.47 | abrotman | and lilo |
| 13:24.17 | simplechat | oh wow |
| 13:24.22 | simplechat | i kept a debian machine running |
| 13:24.27 | simplechat | its still on a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 13:24.30 | dkr | jauiwojau: the /boot *directory* can be on the root partition |
| 13:25.29 | jauiwojau | dkr: Ah, i.e. a separate boot partition is not required, you can do with a /boot dir on the root partition? |
| 13:25.39 | vtts | jauiwojau, the key words were "at least" |
| 13:25.46 | dkr | jauiwojau: correct |
| 13:25.54 | jauiwojau | dkr: then everything is clear. |
| 13:26.26 | jauiwojau | dkr: thanks |
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| 13:28.46 | kwork | !? lenny |
| 13:28.51 | kwork | !lenny |
| 13:28.51 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.7>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 13:29.47 | jauiwojau | Are there already some predictions on when squeeze will be released as stable? |
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| 13:30.55 | D4rKr0W | how does one add a secondary proftpd conf file to the daemon? i have certain settings i want to keep separated from the main proftpd.conf |
| 13:31.08 | D4rKr0W | is there some command similar to a2ensite i need to launch on the file? |
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| 13:33.10 | jauiwojau | If you create a fully encrypted installation, however, I guess you need to create a separate boot partition. Is this true? |
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| 13:35.09 | jauiwojau | dkr? abrotman? |
| 13:35.42 | dkr | jauiwojau: there are several hundred people here. no need to ping individuals |
| 13:36.24 | D4rKr0W | nvm my question, a simple Include worked like a charm |
| 13:36.27 | dkr | jauiwojau: "sooner id you help" is the usual answer to that question that is asked constantly about release date. :) |
| 13:36.34 | dkr | s/id/if/ |
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| 13:40.19 | jauiwojau | dkr: :-) One day I might, just got a new R&D job - busy busy busy. I'm now the only one using Linux/debian, so hopefully I set an example for some others.. |
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| 13:41.25 | dkr | jauiwojau: I am the only linux user in a company of a couple hundred people. maybe that's why I hang out on irc. :) |
| 13:41.57 | dkr | on the plus side, I am doing some interviews today to hire help |
| 13:42.09 | jauiwojau | dkr: (luckily I know sed...) |
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| 13:42.50 | jauiwojau | dkr: Ah! Yeah. When I was still working on the uni, there were many more using some linux distros, some even multiple distros on one machine... |
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| 13:55.44 | abrotman | jauiwojau: what was the question ? |
| 13:56.38 | magnetophon | Hi, I'm trying to set up a synaptics touchpad, but I'm a bit confused on whether I should be using xorg.conf, *.fdi files or udev. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad seems to imply it depends on both my xorg version (7.5) and my kernel (2.6.31) |
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| 13:58.27 | magnetophon | If someone can point me in the right direction, I'm sure I'll be able to google my way out.Thank you! |
| 14:00.43 | redguy | hi, is there a tool which will log all writes on a certain filesystem? blktrace seems pretty close, but I would like to get filenames. |
| 14:02.18 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:15.33 | redguy | xk: thanks, thats what I needed |
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| 14:28.35 | johndoe | is AES good for encrypting sensitive textual files? |
| 14:28.59 | omes | johndoe: depends on how paranoid you are |
| 14:29.33 | johndoe | omes: what do you suggest |
| 14:29.34 | omes | and in some of the lower ranges of paranoid it also depends on the key lenght |
| 14:30.02 | helo | tries to keep in mind that everything will be decrypted eventually |
| 14:31.10 | redguy | xk: for the record: fspy seems to be neat as well |
| 14:31.12 | omes | helo: i guess that makes you more paranoid than me :P |
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| 14:32.23 | xk | redguy: cool |
| 14:32.40 | omes | johndoe: also remember that your app is only as secure as it's weakest link |
| 14:33.30 | xk | redguy: exactly the tool i was looking for aswell... but 1-2 years ago : |
| 14:33.31 | xk | :) |
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| 14:36.33 | omes | redguy++ very very nice! |
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| 14:44.24 | CissWit | johndoe: its considered good enough by the us gouv up to the "TOP SECRET" level. I don't really know how secret is this level, but it seams fairly secret. |
| 14:45.01 | kwork | even wikileaks insurance is in AES :P |
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| 14:48.04 | wadefak | can anyone help me with this error |
| 14:48.05 | wadefak | http://pastebin.com/NdpwhK4E |
| 14:48.14 | wadefak | still new to debian :( |
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| 14:49.33 | johndoe | ok, so AES is good enough. what program should i use to encrypt with AES? |
| 14:50.17 | catsup | wadefak: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:50.38 | syn4pse | <johndoe> waht do you want to encrypt? |
| 14:50.51 | syn4pse | harddisks? |
| 14:50.54 | johndoe | text file containing passwords |
| 14:51.37 | syn4pse | http://loekens.net/?p=65 here is a way how to create a little container and encrpyt it |
| 14:51.50 | catsup | johndoe: gnupg2 does AES |
| 14:51.52 | syn4pse | its like another hard disk and you can save your stuff encrypted |
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| 14:52.40 | johndoe | syn4pse: that would be an overkill for my needs |
| 14:52.42 | johndoe | catsup: thanks |
| 14:52.55 | catsup | luks won't offer as strong encryption as you can get with gpg |
| 14:53.05 | catsup | actually |
| 14:53.06 | wadefak | alrites..thanx catsup |
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| 14:54.53 | delby | hi. when i use update-alternatives --set, am i limited to the options listed in --config? |
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| 14:56.45 | amelin | hi there, maybe someone ha a little hint for me, i would like to setup an install server, so i can easily install debian on any server via pxe boot, any idea? |
| 14:58.38 | petemc | amelin: section 4.5 of the install guide covers that |
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| 15:00.05 | amelin | petemc, thx a lot |
| 15:00.18 | petemc | np |
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| 15:02.54 | ksk | amelin: you maybe want to take a look at "FAI" |
| 15:03.15 | ksk | (fai-project.org) |
| 15:04.12 | amelin | ksk, okay, i take a look, thx |
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| 15:17.20 | wissem | hello all |
| 15:18.13 | wissem | how to install docky on debian lenny ? |
| 15:19.46 | petemc | check for a backport |
| 15:22.23 | wissem | where ? I ve tried installing it from ubuntu repo but it didnt work ! |
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| 15:22.38 | jelly | ,versions docky |
| 15:22.41 | judd | Package docky on i386 -- sid: 2.0.6-2; squeeze: 2.0.6-2; experimental: 2.0.8-1 |
| 15:23.19 | jelly | wissem: mixing packages from different distros isn't a good idea. Which debian release are you using? |
| 15:23.25 | jelly | oh, lenny |
| 15:24.31 | wissem | jelly Lenny with linux kernel 2.6.32-bpo.5-686(which i think its for squeeze right ?) |
| 15:25.07 | jelly | wissem: that's still lenny, rest assured. The kernel can be replaced almost independently from the rest |
| 15:25.28 | wissem | ah I see |
| 15:25.41 | jelly | wissem: since there's no build for lenny nearby, I guess you can try building it yourself: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:26.04 | jelly | it's a mono and gnome app, I'm not sure how easy the ssb procedure is going to be |
| 15:26.35 | jelly | or wait a couple months and upgrade to squeeze ;-) |
| 15:27.23 | wissem | jelly So I have to compile it from the source ? |
| 15:28.06 | jelly | yes. The debian unstable repository package source, that is |
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| 15:28.52 | lolufail_ | hi! |
| 15:29.25 | lolufail_ | is there a way to authenticate to pptp or l2tp via a mysql-database full of username and sha1(password)? |
| 15:30.09 | wissem | jelly how can i upgrade gnome version, and which version will be included at squeeze ? |
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| 15:30.38 | jelly | I _think_ squeeze has 2.30 |
| 15:30.41 | syn4pse | <lolufail_> pptpd stores passwords and users plein in a configuration file you could make some script to write int it |
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| 15:31.22 | wissem | okay :) |
| 15:31.23 | lolufail_ | syn4pse: I dont have the passwords in cleartext, I only have the SHA1 hashes (redmine user database) |
| 15:31.28 | xk | i guess one way is pptp -> radius -> mysql |
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| 15:33.13 | lolufail_ | strongswan (l2tp over ipsec) appears to have a mysql-module, but for storing it's whole configuration... |
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| 15:34.51 | lolufail_ | !moo |
| 15:34.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:35.04 | fruitwerks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) up: 5days 20hrs 15mins 16secs cpu: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 945 Processor at 3000MHz (6% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GS 256MB res: 1920x1200 32bit 59Hz ram: 2268/3319.8MB (68.33%) [|||||||---] hdd: C:\ 385.61GB/695.39GB D:\ 32.46GB/149.05GB O:\ 5.57GB/18.99GB net: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller - 100MB/s 69.77GB In 3.11GB Out |
| 15:36.17 | jelly | fruitwerks: please disable that !moo script thing |
| 15:36.19 | stew | fruitwerks: can you please turn that off |
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| 15:42.39 | omes | !moo |
| 15:42.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:42.40 | fruitwerks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) up: 5days 20hrs 23mins 2secs cpu: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 945 Processor at 3000MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GS 256MB res: 1920x1200 32bit 59Hz ram: 2331/3319.8MB (70.21%) [|||||||---] hdd: C:\ 385.61GB/695.39GB D:\ 32.46GB/149.05GB O:\ 5.57GB/18.99GB net: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller - 100MB/s 69.77GB In 3.11GB Out |
| 15:42.46 | omes | guess he didnt listen... |
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| 15:43.06 | xk | try now? :> |
| 15:43.22 | omes | !moo |
| 15:43.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:43.33 | omes | the cow goes woot |
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| 15:46.45 | nsadmin | Hi, I just prepared a new drive, it has a primary partition with boot flag and I did grub-install on that partition. When I started partitioning the drive, it didn't have anything on the master boot record so I made a new disk label. Am I ok to boot the drive? I know if I fdisk /mbr from dos it will, but I don't have dos or anything containing it. |
| 15:47.42 | nsadmin | oh, and is it my imagination or does parted not have the ability to write a partition table? |
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| 15:47.51 | BLZbubba | parted sucks |
| 15:48.09 | BLZbubba | gdisk is the way to go if you're dealing with gpt |
| 15:48.22 | BLZbubba | fdisk if dos partition types |
| 15:48.32 | mama21mama | 0/ |
| 15:48.44 | BLZbubba | i don't know who the parted authors had to blow to get people to use it |
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| 15:48.53 | BLZbubba | but i wish they hadn't |
| 15:48.56 | nsadmin | well the drive is partitioned, I put a partition table on it, and wrote that table using fdisk |
| 15:49.01 | nsadmin | so I'm good that way |
| 15:49.15 | nsadmin | so partitioning... done. |
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| 15:49.30 | nsadmin | question now, is am I good to boot on that drive? |
| 15:49.48 | nsadmin | also how do I get uuid of a filesystme |
| 15:50.51 | linksrum | nsadmin: grub-install should be the very last task. then you're fine to boot, i guess. |
| 15:51.13 | linksrum | btw: parted also writes partition table |
| 15:51.16 | nsadmin | but are you sure the mbr is prepared properly? |
| 15:51.46 | linksrum | yep, it's done by grub |
| 15:52.49 | nsadmin | even if I tell grub to install its "stuff" on the partition rather than the drive? |
| 15:52.51 | BLZbubba | nsadmin: blkid /dev/whatever |
| 15:52.56 | BLZbubba | will give the uuid |
| 15:53.52 | redguy | omes,xk : and I even managed to package fspy for etch ^_^ |
| 15:53.55 | redguy | hides |
| 15:54.02 | xk | eheehhe |
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| 15:55.08 | nsadmin | cool. |
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| 16:07.01 | blue_sky | it't been a very long time since I've built my own kernel, I've done 'make menuconfig' saved my config (custom.1.0.config) but when I run make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image I'm still being asked all the questions I've already answered in menuconfig. What have I done wrong? |
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| 16:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | !compiling a kernel |
| 16:08.42 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 16:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | !kernel-config |
| 16:09.42 | jhutchins_lt | !make-kpkg |
| 16:09.42 | dpkg | i heard make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 16:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | !kernel configs |
| 16:09.53 | dpkg | See /boot/config-* for debian kernels which you have installed, or http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ for other official kernels. |
| 16:10.58 | blue_sky | jhutchins_lt: BTDT. |
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| 16:17.10 | slidesinger | a bash behavior question: if I put something in my bash_profile, which is executed on login, does that carry over when I start a subshell? |
| 16:17.27 | nsadmin | how would I refer to a uuid in /etc/fstab? instead of /dev/sdb3 /mnt type options bl ah, UUID="numbers" /mnt type options bl ah? |
| 16:17.48 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 16:18.17 | nsadmin | that would be my /boot... I probably wouldn't need to mention that in menu.lst? |
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| 16:20.31 | nsadmin | slidesinger: that depends A LOT on what it is you put |
| 16:20.38 | manhunter | hi |
| 16:20.39 | nsadmin | and on what file is read when |
| 16:20.49 | nsadmin | for that... man bash, look in FILES section |
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| 16:21.56 | blue_sky | jhutchins_lt: re-read docs, several times, they could be clearer! re-named custom.1.0.config to .config and all is prgressing as I remember it used to, thanks for the pointer |
| 16:22.13 | jhutchins_lt | blue_sky: Yay! |
| 16:22.33 | nsadmin | blue_sky, might want to keep a copy of that .config... |
| 16:22.39 | nsadmin | cp instead of mv |
| 16:22.48 | slidesinger | nsadmin: Thanks. |
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| 16:25.32 | blue_sky | nsadmin: IIRC, one of the settings I gave puts a copy of the config in the deb. But I will take a copy - this is for a custom net install disk, so I'll need to know what's in there to figure out what works/doesn't. |
| 16:26.23 | pzn | Hi. I need to use some (preferences for web-based) to control documents, PDFs, ODTs, ... so everyone at my company has access to the lastest version of documents, and also has some historical do search for old versions. do you know any debian package that can do this? |
| 16:26.34 | nsadmin | all true... but one thing, operating on that file could change it, example, make oldconfig, make menuconfig, make mrproper |
| 16:27.17 | nsadmin | but if you just mved it in and started the compile, that shoudl be ok |
| 16:27.40 | neurolysis | Hi, what's the reason for keeping sbin out of the limited user PATH? Is there a reason? |
| 16:27.44 | D4rKr0W | what is the procedure to enable handling of multiple ip addresses for a single debian machine? |
| 16:27.46 | nsadmin | I believe the build will run make oldconfig |
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| 16:29.22 | nsadmin | pzn: web-based what? no noun in that position |
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| 16:30.03 | nsadmin | neurolysis: most cannot be run except by root |
| 16:30.14 | neurolysis | nsadmin: but stuff like ifconfig is even excluded :p |
| 16:30.30 | neurolysis | so there is no actual problem if i put that in my path? |
| 16:30.34 | nsadmin | that can be run as nonroot? |
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| 16:32.16 | nsadmin | so it can run to read the config... maybe that's not such a good thing |
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| 16:33.18 | blue_sky | nsadmin: thanks for the pointers, I copied it after the build started so, when I'm done, I'll run make menuconfig again, load the copy and see how it looks. |
| 16:33.56 | jhutchins_lt | blue_sky: make reads the file, it doesn't alter it, so copying after the make started won't matter, it's the same file. |
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| 16:35.01 | nsadmin | under certain specific conditions make oldconfig will write it |
| 16:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: To some extent it's just security by obscurity - you have to know about commands in /sbin to run them as non-root. |
| 16:35.25 | nsadmin | just so you know :P |
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| 16:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Yes, any of the make *config targets can alter it, however the make targets that do the actual builds do not. |
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| 16:36.24 | nsadmin | unless the build runs make oldconfig, which I think it does |
| 16:36.31 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: seems like you've mistaken me for neurolysis |
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| 16:36.48 | D4rKr0W | i was just asking about how to setup an IP alias |
| 16:37.01 | delby | what is the best way to transfer files between two debian machines connected to the same wireless router? the only thing i could think of is ssh. |
| 16:37.05 | blue_sky | jhutchins_lt: nsadmin: I'll load it again and see how it looks, thanks for metioning - I think, according to my settings, there should be a copy of the config in the .deb anyway |
| 16:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: Yep. |
| 16:37.25 | blue_sky | delby: scp? |
| 16:37.38 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: Are these static IP's? |
| 16:38.01 | nsadmin | blue_sky, yeah, 90% chance it didn't write anything, and in that 10% you're probably still fine |
| 16:38.05 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: yup, they are |
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| 16:38.09 | linksrum | delby: what about rsync |
| 16:38.10 | delby | blue_sky: sorry, i meant scp not ssh. so that is the best way? |
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| 16:38.26 | blue_sky | hit the wrong effing button |
| 16:38.38 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: Check the manpage for interfaces, I think it explains how to add them. |
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| 16:39.37 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins: do you know if this article is valid for lenny? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bind-alias-range-of-ip-address-in-linux/ |
| 16:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | delby: It is a good way. There are reasons to use other ways as well. |
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| 16:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | D4rKr0W: Yeah, that's debian style. You should double-check the manpage to make sure there isn't some ubuntu quirk to it, but it looks right to me. |
| 16:40.59 | delby | that is what i am trying to figure out. so by now we have 2 options. scp and rsync. any other suggestions? i'm gonna read on all suggested and decide :) |
| 16:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | delby: nfs, cifs, sshfs |
| 16:41.38 | jhutchins_lt | delby: netcat |
| 16:41.51 | D4rKr0W | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the tip, i'll try it on a local machine i have physical access to, don't want to end up locked out of my remote host :P |
| 16:42.01 | linksrum | combine both with rsync -e ssh |
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| 16:42.05 | linksrum | :-D |
| 16:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | linksrum: That['s what rsync _does_. |
| 16:43.43 | linksrum | jhutchins: what do you mean? |
| 16:43.55 | delby | jhutchins_lt, linksrum, blue_sky, thanks a lot. definitely gave me many options to consider :) |
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| 16:50.00 | jhutchins_lt | linksrum: rsync works over ssh by default. |
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| 16:51.08 | linksrum | ah, i thought it has it's own protocol. cool. |
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| 16:54.15 | pzn | nsadmin, web-based software, document-management-system, do you know any debian package for that? |
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| 16:56.05 | brah | Hi. |
| 16:56.14 | brah | I was wondering what is the Debian way to set a default gateway. |
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| 16:56.42 | brah | I have two interfaces, the first set by DHCP, and the second set by static /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:56.54 | xk | brah: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:57.07 | brah | I want the second one to be the default, but everytime the first one renews the DHCP lease, it overrides my default gateway. |
| 16:57.14 | xk | hmmm |
| 16:57.36 | brah | Using `route` works temporarily. |
| 16:57.58 | xk | you want to use dhcp, but to ignore default-gateway from dhcp |
| 16:58.16 | brah | Yep. Because I want my other interface's gateway to be the default. |
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| 16:58.35 | Bushmills | brah, set static address in /etc/network/interfaces, or set up proper gateway in dhcp config, or configure dhcp client to not request default gateway |
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| 16:59.06 | Angel-SL | hi, I compiled my own mono 2.8.1 (because I can't use the 2.6.7 in the repositories); how do I get aptitude to install packages that depend on mono's packages without actually overwriting my mono with the old version? |
| 16:59.48 | Bushmills | dhcp server can provide custom settings to specified clients, by MAC or by provided name |
| 17:00.07 | xk | brah: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, look for request line, remove "routers". |
| 17:00.14 | brah | Well, the first interface does need a gateway, I just don't want it to be set as my system's default gateway. |
| 17:00.47 | xk | or set the metric of dhcp interface to 1 |
| 17:01.03 | brah | I already tried setting the metric of the static one lower than the dhcp set one. |
| 17:01.09 | JessieAMorris | xk: How would one do that? I have a similar problem as brah |
| 17:01.27 | xk | brah: set it lower than 1? |
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| 17:01.52 | brah | xk: No, I set 20 for DHCP, 10 for static. |
| 17:01.56 | xk | hmm |
| 17:02.04 | xk | and downup the interfaces? |
| 17:02.09 | brah | Yep. |
| 17:02.19 | xk | and confirmed with ifconfig? |
| 17:02.22 | brah | Is this the right channel to ask this question? |
| 17:02.35 | xk | what about "route"? |
| 17:03.21 | brah | The only thing that is wrong is that I have to `route del default` and `route add default gw <second iface's gw>' everytime the dhcp interface renews its lease. |
| 17:03.40 | brah | Even when I fresh start the system. |
| 17:03.42 | xk | so both interfaces are gateways to the internet, or only one? |
| 17:03.56 | brah | Both. |
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| 17:04.46 | xk | not sure whats the metric used for in "ifconfig", when its _separate_ from the one specified in route |
| 17:05.05 | JessieAMorris | I have my mail server set up with Postfix, Courier, SpamAssassian, and Amavis. I have a cron job which automatically learns the emails in my IMAP spam folder as spam. The problem is that SpamAssassian doesn't seem to be working correctly. How should amavis be set up to work with SpamAssassian? Amavis is being used I am pretty sure (Logs show something like, "Passed CLEAN"). |
| 17:05.21 | xk | brah: I guess for non-simple setups, its best to go static. |
| 17:05.32 | brah | I guess I will have to. |
| 17:05.49 | brah | Once I set both static ifaces on /etc/network/interfaces, how do I tell the system which one is the default? |
| 17:05.55 | brah | Other distros have /etc/gateway |
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| 17:06.00 | xk | and add post-up commands if you must |
| 17:06.38 | xk | "gateway" keyword is default gw. |
| 17:07.22 | xk | hmm... did you set metric in ifconfig, or interfaces file? |
| 17:07.33 | brah | interfaces |
| 17:07.42 | xk | weird that it didnt respect it. |
| 17:09.08 | Dnumgis | is there any clever tricks to install build dependencies if you don't have the source package, only the tree that will make it? |
| 17:11.06 | brah | xk: This is what my interfaces looks like. Nothing strange. http://pastebin.com/hmMPSXMh |
| 17:11.35 | brah | Dnumgis: man apt-rdepends? |
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| 17:12.43 | xk | brah: what did "route" say for the metric column? |
| 17:13.06 | brah | I can't access the server right now because I've disabled SSH, unfortunately. |
| 17:13.18 | brah | I could try on another system but I only have Squeezes and that one is a Lenny, so I'll have to try later. |
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| 17:19.06 | Dnumgis | brah: thanks |
| 17:21.47 | Boohemian | how do i test to see if DNS has propagated across the Internet? could I somehow use the "dig" command to do that? |
| 17:22.36 | xk | well... it propogates upon requests and TTLs to expire. |
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| 17:28.49 | Dnumgis | brah: in fact I think the command I was looking for was dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
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| 17:38.38 | lotec | someone give me a link to a readme on how to get sshd working on debian? so i can connect to it? |
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| 17:39.39 | h3sp4wn | aptitude install ssh |
| 17:39.41 | brah | lotec: Do you have any special needs or just straight SSH? |
| 17:40.01 | brah | openssh-server actually. |
| 17:40.06 | lotec | as long as i can connect to it |
| 17:40.20 | lotec | brah i did apt-get install openssh-server and there is no pkg for it |
| 17:40.28 | brah | Debian version_ |
| 17:40.29 | brah | ? |
| 17:40.56 | stew | lotec: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ? use a pastebin |
| 17:41.24 | lotec | 5.0.7 |
| 17:42.37 | lotec | http://pastebin.com/C4Ta3T4u |
| 17:42.37 | brah | The package is available on Lenny. |
| 17:42.46 | brah | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openssh-server |
| 17:42.53 | stew | lotec: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 17:43.29 | brah | You don't seem to have any repos set. |
| 17:44.55 | lotec | http://pastebin.com/BsR7LHxN |
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| 17:46.47 | stew | lotec: get rid of the pandora.debian.org line, its useless (its not even an existing dns name). then you need to add an actual debian main mirror, (/msg dpkg lenny sources.list) and you need to run "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" |
| 17:47.33 | lotec | yea got that off a readme, anyone have a guide on setting this up? |
| 17:47.58 | bolt | lotec: no guide is necessary |
| 17:47.59 | nsadmin | pzn: I dunno, I use openacs personally... but that's pretty high on the learning curve aspect |
| 17:48.04 | bolt | lotec: just do a base install, and apt-get install ssh |
| 17:48.23 | bolt | lotec: there's nothing more to it, really. the install will give you a working sources.list |
| 17:48.35 | stew | lotec: did you read "/msg dpkg lenny sources.list" ? |
| 17:48.38 | lotec | ok well i thought i did a base install |
| 17:48.42 | nsadmin | pzn, you could try building yourself a ruby on rails app, that's also pretty high |
| 17:48.47 | stew | lotec: you probably did |
| 17:49.01 | brah | nsadmin: Wrong channel? |
| 17:49.11 | nsadmin | is it? |
| 17:49.28 | lotec | stew, yes i did read that but no idea what i am suposed to do with it |
| 17:49.31 | bolt | lotec: you also apparently modified your sources.list afterwards |
| 17:49.40 | bolt | lotec: that shouldn't be necessary |
| 17:49.41 | nsadmin | so you're assuming that before scrolling back and checking, I suppose |
| 17:50.07 | lotec | typing that in /msg dpkg lenny sources.list returns bash: /msg: no such file or directory |
| 17:50.22 | bolt | ... |
| 17:50.22 | stew | dpkg: tell lotec about lenny sources.list |
| 17:50.25 | lotec | bolt yes i did modify it |
| 17:50.35 | brah | nsadmin: I joined only an hour ago. |
| 17:50.55 | stew | lotec: modify it again and add "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" where CC is your country code, like us or uk or es or fr, etc |
| 17:51.04 | stew | lotec: and get rid fo the line that has pandora.debian.org in it |
| 17:51.08 | nsadmin | ahh, -right- after the original post |
| 17:51.25 | nsadmin | the very next thing that happened was you joining |
| 17:52.49 | lotec | stew ok thanks |
| 17:53.07 | nsadmin | lotec: you can check the mirror list somewhere off of www.debian.org for mirrors that don't follow the naming convention but that may be closer |
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| 17:54.13 | lotec | after running apt-get install ssh it should be ok correct? |
| 17:55.01 | nsadmin | assuming ssh would make it "ok" |
| 17:55.12 | nsadmin | and exists as a package |
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| 17:58.25 | brah | Then if you want to diddly daddle on the config, it's on /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:58.29 | lotec | stew, thanks worked like a charm. i have not used deb in a very long time so just have to mess with it |
| 17:58.48 | brah | But out of the box 'it just works' |
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| 17:59.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ssh |
| 17:59.12 | judd | Package ssh on i386 -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-5; experimental: 1:5.6p1-2 |
| 17:59.17 | lotec | ok one more question |
| 17:59.22 | lotec | http://planetit.ws/linux/debian/centralized-syslog-server-using-rsyslog-and-php-syslog-ng.html |
| 17:59.36 | lotec | is this up to date? |
| 18:00.16 | nsadmin | that doesn't come from a debian site; maybe someone here will look at it, maybe not |
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| 18:00.51 | brah | Is that PlaneTit site SFW? |
| 18:03.35 | brah | GDM has a christmas background now. :| |
| 18:03.43 | Spec | brah: planet it? |
| 18:03.55 | Dnumgis | Can I make my package start it's init scripts after running triggers for python-support for it's dependencies? |
| 18:04.05 | Spec | does "centralized-syslog-server-using-rsyslog-and-php-syslog-ng.html" sound nsfw? |
| 18:05.59 | stew | personnal, running a syslog server in php sounds "not safe" for my work |
| 18:06.22 | Dnumgis | "plane tit" doesn't sound like very juicy curves either |
| 18:06.56 | stew | Dnumgis: you are installing an init script and you want to make it start at boot? |
| 18:07.07 | stew | Dnumgis: or what exactly does this have to do with python-support? |
| 18:07.18 | nsadmin | if you're making language-based puns about sexuality, maybe you consider it "funny"... how's that going for ya? |
| 18:09.39 | Dnumgis | stew: I'm installing an init script and it is started at package install time, but the init script requires python modules and those are not (fully) available until python-support has run it's triggers |
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| 18:11.27 | stew | Dnumgis: i'd recommend asking #debian-python on irc.debian.org |
| 18:12.27 | Dnumgis | stew: so the package install fails it's configure stage if it pulls in it's dependencies at the same time, but works if dependencies are installed first and then the package (in two different apt-get invocations) |
| 18:12.31 | Dnumgis | stew: will do |
| 18:13.06 | stew | Dnumgis: it would perhaps work with pre-depends, but I'd consider that a last resort |
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| 18:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | Updating squeeze, fingers crossed. |
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| 18:23.01 | Dnumgis | stew: for reference, the solution is properly defined here: /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz |
| 18:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | 161 packages. |
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| 18:29.06 | nirazio | MY laptop restarted because battery ran out of juice. Now after restart GNOME settings are gone. Panels are looking very bad. I am hearing sounds that were not there before restart. Menus are not appearing nor are the launchers that I added to panel. Can some one plz help me get my previous settings back? |
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| 18:36.54 | jhutchins | nirazio: Just restore your backup - probably best to do the whole disk, as more than your home directory may have been corrupted. |
| 18:37.14 | Seb | what could the reasons a HD is not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/, but blkid(1) shows it indeed has got a UUID ? |
| 18:38.38 | jhutchins | n4kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijfrewwwwww |
| 18:38.40 | jhutchins | 309 |
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| 18:49.46 | jhockin | can someone point me in the direction of any announcement on the 4.6.69 exim issues? people in the exim channel mentioned debian was backporting the fix to the current stable is that correct? |
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| 18:51.59 | vtts | joshsmith, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606612 |
| 18:52.45 | vtts | http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2131 |
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| 18:54.46 | vtts | ups... jhockin those links there for you |
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| 18:57.12 | rpgdude | when i try to create DUN connection to my phone, it times out when detecting phone configuration |
| 18:57.20 | jhockin | thanks, so 4.69.9+lenny1 should be totally safe from the known exploits at the moment? |
| 18:57.43 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 18:57.43 | dpkg | i guess tracker of doom is The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan>.read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 18:58.02 | vtts | jhockin, look at changelog to be sure |
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| 18:59.24 | stew | jhockin: no, there are know exploits for 4.69.9+lenny1 |
| 18:59.54 | jhockin | stew: those being the local ones not the remote one exploitable via smtp, right? |
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| 19:00.11 | stew | jhockin: did you look at security-tracker? |
| 19:00.27 | jhockin | yeah just checked it out now, sorry first time looking through these notes but i think it makes sense now |
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| 19:01.15 | lotec | well i got all of that web site i showed to install, but it is saying /install is Not Found but it is there in /html/install with the correct permissions |
| 19:02.35 | rozie | hello |
| 19:02.53 | rozie | I try to lower CPU consumption by MPD |
| 19:03.09 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.13 | rozie | using http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Tuning |
| 19:03.14 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.34 | rozie | my output section of mpd.conf is http://pastebin.com/isB5D121 |
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| 19:03.49 | rozie | here's the result of a check http://pastebin.com/1RWkcvgZ |
| 19:03.54 | rpgdude | this is ridiculous, it worked fine on my other laptop |
| 19:03.56 | rozie | (system rebooted) |
| 19:04.29 | rozie | here's asound.conf I was given |
| 19:04.31 | rozie | http://paste.xinu.at/12fM/ |
| 19:04.46 | cipher | is anyone familiar with whether or not acm-mode defines a specific use of newline characters? I'm playing with an embedded device that is using the g_serial gadget and by default it uses ACM. I'm not famliar enough with ACM to know whether that standard makes mention of newline treatment. I actually don't want any special newline treatment at all. |
| 19:04.53 | cipher | cdc-acm that is |
| 19:04.58 | rozie | how to check if sound card (cheap USB one) is capable of 44100 Hz? |
| 19:05.24 | rozie | lsusb is: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c76:1607 JMTek, LLC. audio controller |
| 19:05.39 | rozie | found this http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,2840,2840,quote=1 |
| 19:05.49 | rozie | but that's another topic |
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| 19:10.48 | rozie | mpd takes 8-12%, and mplayer 3-5% at the same stream at this moment |
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| 19:11.20 | delby | hi. i am trying to run 'update-alternatives --set gnome-text-editor /usr/bin/abiword' and i get error: alternative /u/b/abiword for gnome-text-editor not registered'. i understand what it means, i just do not know how to register an extra alternative. any ideas? |
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| 19:16.35 | rpgdude | i got it working, i had a conflicting config for rfcomm left over from lenny |
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| 19:39.29 | sec_goat | IS there a way to get Debian to automatically download and install dependencies for some packages i am trying to install |
| 19:39.54 | brah | Only the dependencies, and not the packages? |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 19:40.27 | stew | sec_goat: are you installing something with dpkg -i instead of using apt-get/aptitude? |
| 19:40.47 | sec_goat | this is my command |
| 19:40.49 | sec_goat | sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install mono-devel libmono-winforms2.0-cil mono-2.0-service subversion |
| 19:41.09 | stew | sec_goat: that should also install dependencies of any of those listed packages |
| 19:41.10 | sec_goat | an I get like 100 msgs about depends on this but will not be installed |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | probably try using aptitude |
| 19:41.16 | stew | sec_goat: show us |
| 19:41.18 | brah | man dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 19:41.44 | stew | uh, he's not using a source package |
| 19:41.51 | jordanm | brah: builddeps are not the same as package dependencies |
| 19:42.12 | abrotman | *thud* |
| 19:43.51 | sec_goat | And of course somehtign about broken packages :( http://pastebin.com/quXVmbdP |
| 19:44.26 | sec_goat | my console cuts off about half of it , how can i dump it to a log file? with | log.txt or somehting? |
| 19:44.38 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 19:44.38 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 19:44.49 | brah | apt-rdepends perhaps? |
| 19:44.58 | stew | brah: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:44.59 | jordanm | ,versions libmono-getoptions2.0-cil |
| 19:45.00 | judd | Package libmono-getoptions2.0-cil on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 19:45.20 | brah | sec_goat: command > file |
| 19:45.42 | jordanm | I would imagine having two version of the same package in the same repository would cause issues... |
| 19:46.00 | stew | jordanm: it doesn't |
| 19:46.29 | jordanm | stew: just grabs the highest version number I assume? |
| 19:46.40 | stew | jordanm: yes |
| 19:46.56 | jordanm | sec_goat: run to aptitude install -f; to make sure there are no broken or pending packages before you intended install |
| 19:47.01 | stew | (all pinning/dependency declarations being equal) |
| 19:47.36 | stew | sec_goat: try with aptitude if you are using apt-get. try installing one of the packages it says it won't install to see if it tells you why |
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| 19:49.45 | sec_goat | well ok pastebinit tells a bigger story |
| 19:49.45 | sec_goat | http://pastebin.com/AjF6THgc |
| 19:50.26 | sec_goat | stew: i will try aptitiude |
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| 19:52.16 | brah | a |
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| 19:54.09 | pickcoder | judd versions megaraid-storage-manager |
| 19:54.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'megaraid-storage-manager' was found in i386. |
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| 19:57.21 | nirazio | Ok so i downloaded the source code of an addon for Firefox, that was a .xpi file so i extracted that, changed some functions and now i would like to recreate a .xpi file so i can test it in Firefox.Can anyone tell me how to do this ? |
| 19:58.20 | stew | nirazio: .xpi files are just zip files, you can create it using the zip command |
| 19:58.20 | sec_goat | well Aptitude -f worked |
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| 20:00.30 | nirazio | stew: zip command??How??? |
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| 20:02.32 | stew | nirazio: "man zip", but the basic is: zip /path/to/foo.xpi file1 file2 file3 |
| 20:03.15 | stew | nirazio: you might want zip's -u or -r options |
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| 20:04.44 | brah | So www-data owns /var/www |
| 20:04.46 | brah | How do I allow that user to connect through SSH? |
| 20:05.39 | mallxs | Hi can i ask Virtualbox questions here ? |
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| 20:06.17 | norbert_ | hi, I'm using recordmydesktop to record the desktop to .ogv |
| 20:06.25 | stew | brah: i'd not recommend having www-data own /var/www unless the webserver process actually needs write access there |
| 20:06.29 | norbert_ | it's all working fine, except that white is grayish |
| 20:06.51 | norbert_ | even though I set everything to max quality (-v_quality 63 and -v_bitrate 2000000) |
| 20:06.59 | nirazio | stew: u and r options for what purpose??? |
| 20:06.59 | jordanm | brah: all that a user needs to login via ssh is a password and a valid shell. giving those things to the user running your webserver is not recommended |
| 20:07.00 | mallxs | brah: you can add the users in the www-data group |
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| 20:07.18 | jordanm | nirazio: what does the manpage say they are used for? |
| 20:07.19 | stew | nirazio: did you read what they do? |
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| 20:08.31 | mguy | I can't get either 5.06-netinstall or 5.07-cd1 to load the installer on my T42 laptop (both are i386) |
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| 20:08.48 | brah | It's okay, it's just a test server. I gave www-data a password. |
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| 20:08.50 | mguy | I get the screen where it you can choose installer or memtest and then tahts it |
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| 20:09.03 | brah | I need it so I can connect and modify /var/www using a windows box |
| 20:09.20 | stew | brah: does the webserver itself need to modify files in /var/www? |
| 20:09.29 | BLZbubba | is this a bug in squeeze - when i run useradd on a user, it doesn't create the home dir and copy /etc/skel |
| 20:09.40 | jordanm | brah: login as your user then use "su" to become root. make the modifications you need |
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| 20:09.59 | jordanm | or just login as root if you sshd allows that |
| 20:10.39 | brah | Yeah but this app I'm using won't let me select a folder. If I login as root it lands me on /root |
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| 20:10.43 | stew | BLZbubba: its not supposed to by default, you'd have to configure it to do so. you perhaps want to be using adduser instead of useradd |
| 20:10.55 | mallxs | brah: make your self owner of the files and www-data the group owner |
| 20:11.21 | stew | why have www-data as group owner at all? |
| 20:11.31 | brah | It comes like that by default. |
| 20:11.38 | stew | change it |
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| 20:12.02 | nirazio | Is there a quick way to install better codecs for RMVB format for "Movie Player"? |
| 20:12.29 | jordanm | !rmvb |
| 20:12.29 | dpkg | RMVB (RealMedia Variable Bitrate) is an extension of the RealMedia container format. It has a reverse-engineered implementation in <libavcodec>, allowing RMVB playback within <mplayer>, <vlc>, <gstreamer> and <xine>. See also <real codecs>. |
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| 20:17.02 | mallxs | i dont see the USB options in the virtualbox ose, is deu to rights ? |
| 20:17.17 | simonrvn | mission critical booger server? |
| 20:18.07 | jordanm | mallxs: thats not available in the OSE version |
| 20:18.07 | BLZbubba | stew: ah ok thanks, each distro does it differently |
| 20:18.32 | jordanm | mallxs: you need the proprietary version for that feature |
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| 20:19.21 | mallxs | jordanm: so its not posible to run a WinXP in a virtualbox ; correct ? |
| 20:19.43 | jordanm | mallxs: no, that incorrect |
| 20:19.50 | jordanm | you can run windows xp in vbox |
| 20:20.31 | brah | Are you using the OSE version for any good reason? |
| 20:20.42 | jordanm | brah: likely because that is what debian offers |
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| 20:20.50 | mallxs | yep |
| 20:21.08 | jordanm | mallxs: there are upstream packages that work well, but are not supported here |
| 20:22.38 | mallxs | should i set my source.list to get to the upstream or just go with vbox ... its only for a test |
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| 20:24.29 | p3rror | what can make send/receive button in evolution grayed |
| 20:24.53 | jordanm | p3rror: not baving an account setup |
| 20:24.57 | jordanm | having |
| 20:25.03 | zophy | old age |
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| 20:25.31 | simonrvn | a nick that only consists of underscores |
| 20:25.34 | p3rror | jordanm, well account worked fine, but sudently i get button menu grayed |
| 20:26.00 | jordanm | sounds like the account is no longer working fine. double check its settings |
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| 20:26.16 | jordanm | I don't use evolution, perhaps it has "profiles" that can be switched |
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| 20:26.29 | simonrvn | no it doesn't |
| 20:28.10 | jordanm | mallxs: if you *need* the usb support, then you have no choice but to go with upstream. dpkg -i the package. the sources are added automatically |
| 20:28.31 | jelly-hme | jordanm: upstream has its own repo for lenny, no need to dpkg -i |
| 20:28.49 | jelly-hme | oh... nevermind |
| 20:28.57 | p3rror | jordanm, is there any log when can i track the issue on evolution |
| 20:29.09 | jelly-hme | that probably is the simpler solution for the initial install |
| 20:30.24 | seth1244 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.43 | mallxs | jordanm: i dont need the usb but if try to install winxp it fails with usbehci.sys caused an unexpected error ( every thing is unexpexted in redmond) |
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| 20:40.35 | neurolysis | Hi, is there some reason why /etc/init.d/gdm stop isn't working? I go into another TTY and it doesn't stopl it... |
| 20:40.46 | neurolysis | If i do stop and then status it informs me that it is still running, which it is |
| 20:44.50 | pickcoder | what is the simplest way to add a block driver to the initrd and rebuild it? |
| 20:45.16 | pickcoder | I need to move from onboard controller to a SAS card |
| 20:47.15 | pickcoder | n/m |
| 20:48.46 | fbs | i just needed some new pw for an app |
| 20:48.54 | fbs | but a pinentry screen popped up. |
| 20:49.48 | fbs | whats wrong with the quality bar? 1234567890 gives me a 100%, but X%3uJi doesnt |
| 20:49.54 | fbs | the last is better imo |
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| 20:51.51 | jelly-hme | fbs: pwgen is your friend |
| 20:51.59 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 20:52.19 | EagleScreen | is the project of Debian snapshots alive? |
| 20:52.46 | EagleScreen | can I recover a package version which was in a previous snapshot? |
| 20:52.48 | bzed | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 20:55.50 | fbs | jelly-hme: i just wanted to know why if fails so hard |
| 20:56.27 | norbert_ | hi all; question: I'm tried recording my desktop with recordmydesktop _and_ xvidcap, but both make white show up as grey in both mplayer and vlc... anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 20:57.41 | fbs | jelly-hme: ah i see, pinentry is for gpg |
| 20:58.21 | fbs | it protects you pw entry to be sure it isnt stored somewhere |
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| 21:02.56 | jelly-hme | yeah. it may be used by other apps as well (bluetooth? ssh instead of ssh-askpass?) |
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| 21:05.20 | stickyboy | I installed a package without its recommends, but now I want the recommends. Do I have to remove then reinstall? |
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| 21:05.57 | f8l | stickyboy: No. Run aptitude and check the recommended packages for installation. |
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| 21:07.43 | f8l | stickyboy: Or you may try `apt-get --install-resommends install $package_name`. |
| 21:08.25 | stickyboy | f8l: Hmm. Cool. |
| 21:12.02 | stickyboy | f8l: The apt-get method doesn't work, says the package is the latest version. |
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| 21:13.20 | f8l | stickyboy: Yes you are right. I've tested it right now. That's why I said "try". Aptitude method should always work though. |
| 21:14.08 | me__ | Hi. I have root account disabled, sudo enabled on one and disabled on secound user. How to install software for the one with no sudo without activating/disabeling it? Sorry for spelling(no time to configure irssi). |
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| 21:14.33 | stew | stickyboy: aptitude install '~Rrecommends:packagename" |
| 21:14.46 | stickyboy | f8l: Ah, you mean interactive aptitude. hehe |
| 21:15.17 | stew | stickyboy: though that would probably mark the Recommends: as manually installed which might not be what you want, you might want to adjust that afterwards |
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| 21:16.01 | stickyboy | I never learned how to use aptitude. |
| 21:16.18 | f8l | stew: So then `aptitude markauto '~Rrecommends:packagename'`? |
| 21:16.20 | stickyboy | I guess it's better than dselect. |
| 21:16.25 | f8l | stickyboy: A lot. |
| 21:17.24 | f8l | stickyboy: I'm not a Aptitude ninja, as I mainly use apt-*, but it's surely most convenient. |
| 21:17.50 | stew | hmm, "aptitude install '~Rrecommends:packagename+M" might work, but I don't know |
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| 21:19.34 | stickyboy | I see a lot of "might". I might just remove and reinstall. |
| 21:20.14 | stew | stickyboy: my suggestion WILL work, its just a question of whether or not the second form would have the benefit or marking the recommnends as autoinstalled |
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| 21:20.35 | stickyboy | hehe yeah. |
| 21:20.39 | pgregory | hi, has anyone got any idea why a call to start-stop-daemon --stop with --pidfile and --exec arguments would fails with "No .... found running; none killed." within the init.d script, yet the same call works fine manually? |
| 21:20.59 | stickyboy | stew: And that's only important if I want to remove them later, which I don't think I do. |
| 21:21.24 | pgregory | I've tried removing the --exec, and confirming that the /proc/.../exe is correct for the pid file. |
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| 21:25.18 | Vardan | hi all |
| 21:26.09 | Vardan | people I have problem with building debian-installer. When run 'make build_netboot-gtk' give error: "No library provides non-weak di_parser_info_free@LIBDI_4.0" |
| 21:26.20 | Vardan | any suggestions? |
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| 21:26.47 | neurolysis | Is there some way to read DDC2 data like you can do read-edid? |
| 21:28.14 | stickyboy | stew: It's trying to pull in some crazy stuff now (trying to reinstall ubuntu-desktop with recommends, but it's pulling in xfce stuff). |
| 21:28.43 | jelly-hme | ,versions ubuntu-desktop |
| 21:28.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ubuntu-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 21:29.08 | froggyman | wouldn't it be gnome-desktop? |
| 21:29.09 | jelly-hme | phew |
| 21:29.14 | froggyman | is just guessing |
| 21:29.27 | jelly-hme | got me worried for a moment there |
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| 21:30.48 | froggyman | I have a wifi switch on my laptop that normally enables/disables the wifi. Is there any way for this action to be turned off so its on all the time? |
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| 21:31.10 | froggyman | Its annoying when I bump it and it gets flipped.. |
| 21:31.42 | stew | stickyboy: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:32.05 | stickyboy | stew: Crap, you're right. |
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| 21:47.07 | dutchfish | hi, does the curent lvm2 in squeeze support the Millan patch i.e. like: lvcreate -s -L 1G --virtualsize 2G -n vsnap vg ? |
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| 21:49.28 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: the version in unstable does, which is the same as the version in squeeze |
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| 21:49.50 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro: thank you very much ! |
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| 21:53.41 | dutchfish | something like that, the dryer was partimage ;) |
| 21:53.49 | dutchfish | oops, wrong post |
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| 21:55.53 | mallxs | well can it be that virtualbox usb and Synergy dont go well together ? |
| 21:56.30 | mallxs | lost my mouse and could not get it back |
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| 21:56.40 | helo | i am trying to build qt-embedded for armel using the work done by qt-x11 armel port |
| 21:57.54 | mallxs | All i wanne do is run a flashgame in a screen and take over the mouse by a program ? |
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| 22:07.16 | klync | how can i get a listing of all installed pkgs that depend on a certain pkg? |
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| 22:07.39 | pickcoder | anyone know of a tool that will extract MIME parts of an mbox? |
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| 22:08.01 | pickcoder | mb2md won't convert one of my mbox files so I need to rip it apart and grab attachments |
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| 22:11.00 | mallxs | cant you access it anymore with your old mail tool ? |
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| 22:12.57 | spliffi | hi community, is it possible to run a dhcp3-server daemon listening on one NIC, specifying let's say 10 very small subnets (2 IPs without netadd and broadcast) while one valid IP of each subnet is configured on another NIC via aliases eth1:0,eth1:1 and so on and Clients with the remaining IP of a subnet give dhcp-request to a dhcp-relay on the same host, which forwards it to the dhcp-server? The goal is to build up a quarantine environment. |
| 22:12.59 | pickcoder | I've gotten past that now.. Now it seems the b64 encoding is fubar |
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| 22:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: no, |
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| 22:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: You're building a multiple loop. |
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| 22:31.05 | spliffi | jhutchins_lt: any suggestions how to proceed? I don't have the options of seperated vlans...just have one and wanted to use subnetting to cage the infected host in each subnet in case I have several at the same time |
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| 22:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: Simplify. Complexity is the natural source of trouble. |
| 22:41.30 | spliffi | hm if I would have a solution I wouldn't ask ;) |
| 22:42.23 | mallxs | first tell what you wanne do with the vlan and or subnet ? |
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| 22:44.55 | spliffi | It's about malware spreading automatically in my network. the thing is I could simply disconnect the infected host from the network by shutdown of its switchport, BUT I want the user to be kicked in a quarantine environment with a transparent proxy which serves a information page (details I gathers while catching the malware) and where the user can download from one or two specific URLs (f.e. Antivirus Vendors) |
| 22:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: Start with the big picture of what you're trying to do. How have other people done this? Not the details of the subnets and the IP's and the multiple NIC's, look at the "Why did I turn this on in the first place?" |
| 22:45.47 | spliffi | so I need a way to put each infected host in a caged env that it can't communicate with other infected hosts (if there are any at the same time) |
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| 22:47.19 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: Further back from there. |
| 22:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: That's a solution, it's not a problem. |
| 22:47.41 | spliffi | I know what I don't have, no bunch of VLANS no option of using private VLANS which would be nice and other technical stuff |
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| 22:47.55 | stevenrossuk | Hey, how would I go about installing Debian Lenny on a PowerPC headless server? |
| 22:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | !ppc |
| 22:48.30 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:49.46 | stevenrossuk | I know what PPC is, just cant figure out how to configure the iso to boot into network install mode so I can install debian remotely via SSH. |
| 22:50.10 | spliffi | jhutchins_lt: I know what u want to tell me, try to fix it from the root. But actually Iam writing on a thesis and this is my experimental part...Iam able to notice attacks and catch malware and now I need intrusion handling |
| 22:50.41 | spliffi | so I came up with that thought as described above |
| 22:50.43 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: That sounds more like a question/problem to me. |
| 22:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: Next, what do other people do in the real world? |
| 22:51.45 | spliffi | as I told u, either disconnect the host entirely or they are able to use cool technical stuff like private vlans |
| 22:51.59 | spliffi | but I kind of old network devices |
| 22:53.11 | spliffi | I thought dhcp-relay would overcome subnet borders |
| 22:53.27 | mallxs | spliffi: if they go trough a linux server to the outside you can catch them on there ip |
| 22:54.01 | spliffi | yes it is a linux router |
| 22:54.45 | spliffi | mallxs could you tell me more about your thoughts? |
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| 22:55.04 | spliffi | why should I catch them? |
| 22:55.19 | spliffi | they shouldn't be in the same net from the beginning |
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| 22:56.41 | helo | when i try to compile qt-x11-free for armel lenny, i am getting an error saying "{standard input}:38307: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.as'" |
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| 22:57.26 | helo | does 'apt-get -b source <package>' ensure the same compiler version used to compile the official package is used? |
| 22:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: THe successful ones don't solve it with complicated hardware - that just makes things worse. |
| 22:58.28 | jhutchins_lt | spliffi: However, it succeeds in throwing money at the problem and it LOOKS like an intelligent solution - until it fails. |
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| 23:01.39 | stevenrossuk | Can I take it from the lack of solutions that installing Debian on PPC without video is not possible? |
| 23:02.23 | dondelelcaro | stevenrossuk: it's certainly possible if it supports a serial terminal, you use preseeding, or some other mechanism of configuring the install |
| 23:02.47 | pickcoder | has anyone successfully gotten the LSI MegaRAID storage manager to run under Lenny? |
| 23:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | stevenrossuk: "Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs." |
| 23:03.23 | dondelelcaro | stevenrossuk: but why don't you have video on the machine? |
| 23:03.41 | stevenrossuk | its a Mac Mini G4, so no serial port. |
| 23:03.53 | dondelelcaro | stevenrossuk: but that has video out... |
| 23:03.55 | stevenrossuk | No video due to a graphics card fault. :( |
| 23:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | Not so much a question of video as how do you get the kernel and installer loaded. Possibly PXE? |
| 23:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | stevenrossuk: I'd read those other factoids and references, I'm sure there's a way. |
| 23:05.51 | dondelelcaro | stevenrossuk: it also supports a serial console using usb serial devices, iirc. |
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| 23:06.56 | pickcoder | stevenrossuk: you'll need to build a custom installer that's setup for network console |
| 23:07.08 | stevenrossuk | dondelelcaro: Thanks, but these devices would require a driver which the debian install will not provide. Yes? |
| 23:07.59 | stevenrossuk | pickcoder: I have had a look at: http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ However, the PPC directory structure is nothing similar and cannot work out how to configure the installer. |
| 23:08.21 | dondelelcaro | stevenrossuk: if you use one of the cheaper ones, it'll just work. |
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| 23:09.13 | stevenrossuk | dondeletecaro: I will certainly try. Thanks. |
| 23:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | Surprizingly they do tend to just work |
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| 23:12.23 | pickcoder | the Mini has integrated video, though, right? |
| 23:12.26 | pickcoder | no slots? |
| 23:13.01 | stevenrossuk | pickcoder: Yes, but the DVI out doesn't work. A slight logic board fault. |
| 23:14.08 | wadefak | is there any mod_php package on debian? |
| 23:14.17 | pickcoder | so installing a cheap video card is not an option. You don't have many choices then. Fix the board, get a USB-Serial adapter for serial console or build-n-burn a network console installer |
| 23:14.45 | acemi | wadefak: for apache? |
| 23:14.48 | wadefak | yup |
| 23:15.07 | acemi | wadefak: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:15.14 | wadefak | ahh..alrites |
| 23:15.18 | wadefak | thanx mate :) |
| 23:15.22 | acemi | np |
| 23:15.53 | pickcoder | I've not tried it, but an older USB video adapter may be recognized by the installer. |
| 23:15.58 | stevenrossuk | pickcoder: The build-n-burn a network console installer would be great, any pointers on where I should start? |
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| 23:20.37 | pickcoder | well the first place would be reading about how to set the kernel to start a network console daemon at boot-up, then you can grab the installer image and change it |
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| 23:21.15 | pickcoder | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 23:21.40 | GOJU | Hi. I can't login into my debian in graphic mode. I had problem with "/dev/null: Permission denied" and I chmoded it but it didn't help. |
| 23:21.57 | stevenrossuk | pickcoder: Thank you for your help. |
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| 23:26.36 | f00li5h | was there a change to mediawii that made it start using "pretty" urls? |
| 23:27.12 | surf | hi guys I made some updates and now at reboot I have 1024x768. I have no xorg.conf. How do I restore the 1366x768? I mean, how can I access from terminal the window for the res selection? |
| 23:31.10 | pickcoder | surf: you may have to add a "Display" subsection in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Screen with a Mode parameter listing the YYYxYYY modes you want to restrict to |
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| 23:31.28 | surf | yes so I need a xorg.conf? |
| 23:31.37 | surf | previously it was working without it... |
| 23:31.40 | surf | ok I will try to make on |
| 23:31.46 | pickcoder | Modes "800x600" "1024x768" (etc etc) |
| 23:31.51 | pickcoder | it auto-detects |
| 23:32.02 | pickcoder | but in the case of my KVM it rarely gets the mode and rate right |
| 23:32.14 | surf | pickcoder, yes but now I do not have an xorg... |
| 23:32.36 | GOJU | Hi. I can't login into my debian in graphic mode. I had problem with "/dev/null: Permission denied" and I chmoded it. Now this error don't show but i still can't login. |
| 23:32.37 | pickcoder | you don't need an xorg for most setups because it detects the best settings based on hardware profile |
| 23:32.44 | pickcoder | s/xorg/xorg.conf |
| 23:32.57 | pickcoder | you can try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:33.06 | pickcoder | it will just config the input settings, though |
| 23:33.06 | surf | pickcoder, yes the problem is that I have 2 video cards and there should be some mess somewhere... |
| 23:33.45 | pickcoder | check the xorg logs for errors then |
| 23:34.01 | pickcoder | if it's not detecting the correct device then it may not start |
| 23:34.23 | pickcoder | you may have to create a config manually and specify adapter device, driver, screen/mode, etc |
| 23:34.37 | pickcoder | there is no tool, that I'm aware of, like there used to be for X11 |
| 23:34.43 | simonrvn | GOJU: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 déc 17 17:54 /dev/null |
| 23:35.01 | pickcoder | it's auto-magic now or hand code |
| 23:35.22 | BLZbubba | is it just me, or is gdisk not available in the debian repos? |
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| 23:35.52 | BLZbubba | that is a disaster because parted sucks hard |
| 23:36.06 | GOJU | simonrvn, i have same rights |
| 23:37.48 | pickcoder | GOJU: are you trying to restart kdm or load xorg with "startx"? |
| 23:37.58 | pickcoder | (or gdm for Gnome) |
| 23:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: gparted has become the tool of default. Learn to deal with it or use the console tools. |
| 23:38.34 | GOJU | pickcoder, yes |
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| 23:39.45 | BLZbubba | why not just use gdisk? it is similar to fdisk |
| 23:39.48 | pickcoder | yes to which one? |
| 23:39.58 | GOJU | pickcoder, to both |
| 23:40.11 | GOJU | pickcoder, when i do startx i have a couple of errors |
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| 23:40.22 | BLZbubba | or at least put gdisk in the repo |
| 23:40.23 | GOJU | FATAL: Module fbcon not foun. |
| 23:40.38 | GOJU | SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server |
| 23:41.15 | GOJU | btw it happened after i've done aptitude upgrade today and restarted my computer |
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| 23:41.38 | jordanm | on what version of debian? |
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| 23:41.56 | pickcoder | well if you're using framebuffer and the module is missing then,. of course, it won't load |
| 23:41.59 | GOJU | jordanm, testing |
| 23:42.11 | GOJU | squeeze |
| 23:42.14 | surf | pickcoder, from the log it says is using Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
| 23:42.44 | GOJU | pickcoder, how can i check if i'm using framebuffer? |
| 23:42.59 | pickcoder | GOJU: what does ~/.xsession-errors state |
| 23:43.33 | GOJU | PRNG is not seeded |
| 23:44.28 | omes | has the next release date for debian been set yet? |
| 23:45.17 | pickcoder | GOJU: what are the permissions for /dev/urandom and /dev/random |
| 23:46.17 | GOJU | pickcoder, crw------- for both |
| 23:46.25 | pickcoder | there's your problem |
| 23:46.31 | pickcoder | not sure what's causing it, though |
| 23:46.46 | pickcoder | chmod 666 for now and see if it loads |
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| 23:47.50 | GOJU | pickcoder, it works, great |
| 23:47.54 | GOJU | thank you very much |
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| 23:47.56 | stew | omes: debian doesn't really do that |
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| 23:48.09 | pickcoder | GOJU: that is not a fix.. it will happen everytime that kernel boots |
| 23:48.17 | GOJU | so what should i do know? put two lines with chmod to rc.local ? |
| 23:48.26 | pickcoder | unless you can figure out what's creating the random generators as 600 |
| 23:48.36 | pickcoder | that's a hack, sure.. |
| 23:49.19 | stew | GOJU: if you run "udevadm trigger" do the permissions reset to 600? |
| 23:50.08 | GOJU | stew, yes |
| 23:50.30 | stew | GOJU: so udev is what needs to be reconfigured to fix this permanantly |
| 23:50.50 | stew | GOJU: does "grep -ir random /etc/udev" turn up anything that looks interesting? |
| 23:52.05 | simonrvn | they are 666 FYI pickcoder |
| 23:52.12 | GOJU | two lines from pcmcia.rules |
| 23:52.32 | pickcoder | simonrvn: eh? |
| 23:52.45 | simonrvn | /dev/*random |
| 23:53.16 | stew | GOJU: and what version of udev is installed? |
| 23:53.18 | pickcoder | supposed to be 0666... they are being set to 0600 on GOJU's session |
| 23:53.38 | toggul | my /boot got deleted. Since I am still logged in I just reinstalled my kernel-image. Everything went well but grub-probe which prompts the error: no such disk. Any idea why? Did I forgot something? |
| 23:53.39 | simonrvn | ok, mr. nitpick ;P |
| 23:53.52 | stew | ? |
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| 23:54.10 | GOJU | stew, how can i check it? |
| 23:54.17 | FilipeMaia | How do I change the resolution of X11? |
| 23:54.21 | pickcoder | toggul: /boot/grub/devices missing? |
| 23:54.28 | pickcoder | er |
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| 23:54.31 | pickcoder | device.map |
| 23:54.36 | FilipeMaia | I don't seem to have an xorg.conf |
| 23:54.56 | pickcoder | stole xorg.confs.. mwuahaha |
| 23:55.10 | FilipeMaia | At least not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:55.28 | toggul | pickcoder: oh yeah, only the grub.cfg is there. How do I produce the files? |
| 23:55.30 | FilipeMaia | Was it moved somewhere else or does it work without xorg.conf now? |
| 23:55.50 | pickcoder | example: (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 23:55.55 | bolt | is there a program included with the base install which will run a command after a random time up to 1 hour? or should I just do "sleep $(( $RANDOM % 3600 ))" ? |
| 23:56.09 | pickcoder | FilipeMaia: it auto-detects hardware on the fly |
| 23:56.19 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: but how do I change the resolution? |
| 23:56.20 | pickcoder | unless you have major problems with X don't create one |
| 23:56.32 | GOJU | stew, how can i check version of my udev? |
| 23:56.36 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: i have a virtual machine and need higher resolution |
| 23:56.57 | omes | stew: of course they do... |
| 23:56.59 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: debian is inside a virtual machine but is only running on 800x600 |
| 23:57.07 | omes | stew: it's just not that close to release yet i presume... |
| 23:57.11 | pickcoder | FilipeMaia: add a Display subsection under Screens listing the Moeds |
| 23:57.19 | pickcoder | ~Modes |
| 23:57.26 | bolt | FilipeMaia: which virtual machine? what graphics card is it emulating? |
| 23:57.28 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: i don't have an xorg.conf |
| 23:57.43 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: or i can't find one. It's not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:57.58 | pickcoder | run dgpk-reconfigure server-xorg |
| 23:58.02 | pickcoder | geez I can't type |
| 23:58.08 | pickcoder | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:58.09 | FilipeMaia | pickcoder: i did that |
| 23:58.13 | FilipeMaia | but nothing happened |
| 23:58.20 | FilipeMaia | it immediatly returned |
| 23:58.42 | pickcoder | shrugs |
| 23:59.02 | pickcoder | debian version? |
| 23:59.24 | FilipeMaia | sid |
| 23:59.32 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:59.45 | bolt | FilipeMaia: then it's your problem :P |
| 23:59.48 | pickcoder | I don't run unstable. Can't help |
| 23:59.52 | FilipeMaia | yea i was waiting for that one |
| 23:59.57 | krabador | please forgive the offtopic: android users, can pm me? |
| 23:59.59 | GOJU | pickcoder, how can i check udev version? |