| 00:00.11 | FilipeMaia | But was xorg.conf removed? |
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| 00:00.28 | simonrvn | GOJU: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 00:00.56 | pickcoder | it's been gone for a while |
| 00:00.58 | GOJU | thx |
| 00:01.06 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: that's normal |
| 00:01.07 | GOJU | stew, my udev version is 164-3 |
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| 00:01.13 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: if you want one, create one |
| 00:01.33 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: is there any command to help me make one besides dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 00:01.45 | simonrvn | that won't make one |
| 00:02.07 | FilipeMaia | i noticed |
| 00:02.18 | fuzzybunny69y | Hey everyone! Is it possible to set things up so that a user on a system can use sftp only and access only certain directories? |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: Xorg -configure |
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| 00:02.54 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: that's to be run inside X? |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | no |
| 00:03.05 | bolt | fuzzybunny69y: the default install should be robust enough to allow him to see files outside of his home directory. there's nothing bad for him to read there |
| 00:03.36 | pickcoder | time to head home |
| 00:03.39 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: i only get fatal server error |
| 00:03.40 | bolt | fuzzybunny69y: there are a number of shells which do scp only. not sure if something does sftp only. maybe a chrooting ftp server |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: you have to shut down X |
| 00:04.09 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: i did. it was a problem of not running as root |
| 00:04.13 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: now i got segmentation fault |
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| 00:04.27 | FilipeMaia | I'll give Lenny a try |
| 00:04.27 | abrotman | are you on PPC? |
| 00:04.30 | FilipeMaia | no |
| 00:04.35 | FilipeMaia | x86_64 |
| 00:06.43 | FilipeMaia | I installed X with apt-get install x-window-system wmaker if it has any relevance |
| 00:07.15 | bolt | !install xorg |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 00:07.43 | bolt | not sure using just x-window-system will work well |
| 00:08.38 | simonrvn | or at all |
| 00:08.40 | FilipeMaia | bolt: i thought x-window-system was exactly for installing X |
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| 00:08.57 | bolt | FilipeMaia: in potato, yes |
| 00:08.59 | simonrvn | a long time ago yes |
| 00:09.08 | FilipeMaia | But it's still there |
| 00:09.21 | FilipeMaia | if it doesn't work, the least that could be done is remove it |
| 00:09.23 | GOJU | simonrvn, now my X works but when I open Konsole, command prompt don't show up |
| 00:09.33 | FilipeMaia | Btw I have an xorg.conf in Lenny |
| 00:09.38 | FilipeMaia | and the resolution is decent |
| 00:09.55 | FilipeMaia | so installing with x-window-system seems to work fine in Lenny |
| 00:10.05 | FilipeMaia | and kinda works in Sid (I mean X runs) |
| 00:10.41 | FilipeMaia | Btw x-window-system seems to install xorg |
| 00:10.56 | FilipeMaia | dpkg: drxx |
| 00:10.56 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config> <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. For Etch, ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 00:11.46 | simonrvn | virtual package, that's why. it's been deprecated for ages. |
| 00:11.47 | FilipeMaia | Ok so the problem seems to be that Xorg -configure currently seg faults in sid |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | or your sid is out of date? |
| 00:12.07 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: no, i updated it |
| 00:12.16 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: i'm fine with virtual packages |
| 00:12.19 | abrotman | with full-upgrade? |
| 00:12.20 | JamesM_SiteGen | hello,anyone know why debian is so fast yet its the same speed as linuxmint? |
| 00:12.30 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: no, but the fresh install is only a few months old |
| 00:12.37 | simonrvn | JamesM_SiteGen: it wants to be |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | few months? |
| 00:12.49 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: less than 5 |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: when you're done with your full-upgrade, come back and ask |
| 00:13.08 | JamesM_SiteGen | its suposto be the fastest but its the same as linuxmint |
| 00:13.17 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: ask the linux mint people, not us |
| 00:13.33 | JamesM_SiteGen | this is a debian question |
| 00:13.54 | simonrvn | JamesM_SiteGen: um, debian doesn't say such things. whoever told you that is full of it. |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | No, it's not .. you're asking how LinuxMint made their distro so fast .. go ask them |
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| 00:14.51 | JamesM_SiteGen | no i am asking why debian has recently got a rep of being soo fast yet its finally the same as linuxmint |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | JamesM_SiteGen: okay .. which LinuxMint version? LMDE? |
| 00:15.17 | simonrvn | now i know you're making stuff up |
| 00:15.22 | JamesM_SiteGen | julia |
| 00:15.27 | JamesM_SiteGen | all |
| 00:15.46 | JamesM_SiteGen | lmde shouldbe lmd, too close to lxde |
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| 00:17.08 | abrotman | troll |
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| 00:17.34 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: by full-upgrade you mean apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | no |
| 00:17.45 | stew | FilipeMaia: he means aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 00:17.46 | abrotman | i said what i meant |
| 00:17.59 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: what's the apt-get equivalent/ |
| 00:18.06 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade .. be prepated to wait a long time |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: man apt-get |
| 00:18.21 | FilipeMaia | doesn't say anything about full-upgrade |
| 00:18.34 | stew | FilipeMaia: dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.10 | simonrvn | man apt-get then press /upgrade and press n to look for the next hit |
| 00:19.11 | FilipeMaia | stew: thanks |
| 00:19.17 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: still seg faults after the upgrade |
| 00:19.56 | FilipeMaia | I can try logout and in again |
| 00:19.57 | abrotman | there is no way you finished a five month old dist-upgrade in two minutes |
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| 00:20.17 | dvs | T1 |
| 00:20.19 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: 5 minutes |
| 00:20.26 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: still takes longer than that |
| 00:20.27 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: it's a small system |
| 00:20.33 | abrotman | with X .. yep |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 00:20.41 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: the X is freshly installed |
| 00:21.44 | FilipeMaia | abrotman://codepad.org/A56qLvGY |
| 00:21.52 | FilipeMaia | http://codepad.org/A56qLvGY |
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| 00:22.19 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: does the Xorg -configure work at all ? |
| 00:22.30 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: yes it starts, but then seg faults |
| 00:22.34 | FilipeMaia | I mean X does not start |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | you mean the configure works? |
| 00:23.48 | FilipeMaia | http://codepad.org/Oz68XGMq |
| 00:23.56 | FilipeMaia | This is what happens when i run it |
| 00:24.48 | FilipeMaia | looks like null pointer dereference but i don't know why |
| 00:25.23 | dvs | FilipeMaia: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.41 | FilipeMaia | Yea that could be related |
| 00:25.53 | FilipeMaia | Maybe I should try to reboot |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | oh, he answered the questions wrong? |
| 00:26.06 | FilipeMaia | questions? |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | why do you need an xorg.conf anyway? |
| 00:26.13 | FilipeMaia | I just want higher resolution |
| 00:26.24 | FilipeMaia | Now i'm just curious, it already works in Lenny |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | what is your video card? what is the current resolutoin ? |
| 00:26.56 | FilipeMaia | this is a virtual machine |
| 00:27.09 | FilipeMaia | the current resolution was 800x600 |
| 00:27.24 | FilipeMaia | an equivalent virtual machine with lenny gives me around 1600x1200 or so |
| 00:28.04 | FilipeMaia | Rebooting didn't help |
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| 00:29.01 | abrotman | you mean vmware? |
| 00:29.13 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: what? |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | what kind of vm software? |
| 00:29.23 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: virtual box |
| 00:29.27 | abrotman | didn't htink that was a trick question |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | there are all kinds of virtualbox pakcages you probably want to look at |
| 00:29.58 | stew | (the logs say vmware) |
| 00:29.59 | FilipeMaia | dvs: startx also gives the same error |
| 00:30.31 | FilipeMaia | stew: the logs say something about ignoring some warning, but the software i'm using is virtual box |
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| 00:30.45 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone |
| 00:30.54 | FilipeMaia | dvs: but it starts fine |
| 00:31.17 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: i don't have any of the guest additions installed, but it's the same in my Lenny machine |
| 00:32.02 | abrotman | Hey ... i know, they're different versions of Debian .. maybe something changed! |
| 00:32.46 | FilipeMaia | Ok, I guess it's complicated. I'll just run with Lenny |
| 00:32.50 | simonrvn | hm, maybe |
| 00:32.53 | simonrvn | :P |
| 00:32.55 | FilipeMaia | Thanks for the help |
| 00:34.41 | dvs | FilipeMaia: squeeze will be out soon\ |
| 00:35.54 | FilipeMaia | If anyone is interested the entire Xorg.log file is here http://codepad.org/YMuNDSKT |
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| 00:46.31 | juniorsa | Hi, I have a lenny system running md raid 1, sda and hda - I have 1 200GB parition with only 11GB of actual data, I would like to shrink the partition using gparted, is this advisable? dangerous? |
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| 00:50.26 | xk | juniorsa: resize filesystem (resizee2fs), then shrink md with --grow --size=... |
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| 01:01.16 | juniorsa | xk, is it dangerous? |
| 01:01.21 | mrkotfw | Wow |
| 01:01.28 | mrkotfw | Debian makes installing on a PPC really easy! |
| 01:01.35 | mrkotfw | It's a nightmare on *BSD |
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| 01:03.58 | xk | juniorsa: everything is dangerous if you dont know what you're doing :) |
| 01:04.22 | simonrvn | juniorsa: yes, but most people consider it an acceptable risk, esp. when they back up first. indeed xk. |
| 01:04.35 | pfred1 | control is an illusion |
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| 01:07.35 | tharkun | Hmm gentlemen when is the +n going to be canceled for #debian? |
| 01:08.16 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: never? |
| 01:08.31 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason for a channel to ever be -n. |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | maybe he mistyped the letter? |
| 01:08.47 | xk | unless the meaning of +n has changed... I doubt it ever will be removed |
| 01:08.57 | juniorsa | xk, simonrvn, if I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be asking :) do you have any experience with gparted, it says just boot with the cd and resize the partition - seems easier ? |
| 01:09.00 | dondelelcaro | now, if you mean +r, that comes and goes. |
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| 01:09.16 | tharkun | ok i admit i am no expert on irc channel modes but don you go the idea. thx |
| 01:09.16 | xk | whats +r? |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | xk: registered users |
| 01:09.25 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | tharkun: -n would be horrible |
| 01:09.44 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 01:10.06 | tharkun | abrotman: i'll read to uderstand the aberration i wrote before |
| 01:10.08 | xk | tharkun: dont have an idea what you're saying |
| 01:10.08 | dvs | votes for +q for the channel |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:12.22 | tharkun | abrotman: pleasse leave the +n forever :) |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | ok :) |
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| 01:15.31 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 01:16.11 | xk | juniorsa: I havent resized software raid partitions with gparted. |
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| 01:18.04 | juniorsa | xk: I'm off to backup and then try, I will try what you suggest. |
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| 01:23.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen how can i debug why my .bashrc file is not beeing read when i ssh into a server? |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | tharkun: read the comment at the top |
| 01:25.25 | tharkun | feels this is one of those days he should have stayed in bed |
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| 01:29.41 | ozzilee | Can anyone tell me how to get fontconfig to recognize changes in ~/.fonts.conf without logging out? |
| 01:30.01 | icaunus | hello every1, is there a save way to remove dash from my deb squeeze pc? |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | icaunus: like any other package? but why would you? |
| 01:31.56 | icaunus | i accidently installed it when i installed sq. i really want bash back |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:32.14 | dondelelcaro | icaunus: you can have both bash and dash installed at the same time |
| 01:32.28 | dondelelcaro | icaunus: and users shells should be /bin/bash anyway, not /bin/sh. |
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| 01:32.29 | icaunus | i dont want dash |
| 01:32.43 | tharkun | icaunus: /msg dpkg dash |
| 01:32.44 | dondelelcaro | icaunus: you want anything which uses /bin/sh to use dash, generally. |
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| 01:33.20 | s3a | How do I know where my cd disk is? in /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0 ? The contents of the disc are shown properly using nautilus in both but not in terminal, so I'm just wondering which one is "real" and which one is "fake" or whatever the case may be. |
| 01:33.27 | icaunus | it wont uninstall, well i forced it to uninstall but now my sq.box wont start |
| 01:33.28 | s3a | ? |
| 01:34.08 | tharkun | s3a: ls -la /media should clarify some things |
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| 01:35.06 | s3a | tharkun, could you help me understand the output please?: http://pastebin.com/j5LES2nU |
| 01:35.52 | tharkun | s3a: cdrom is a soft link to cdrom0 |
| 01:36.01 | tharkun | meaning you can use either of them |
| 01:36.15 | s3a | tharkun, ok but for md5sum checking, i use cdrom0, right? |
| 01:36.27 | s3a | tharkun, because cdrom seems to give a different hash code |
| 01:36.33 | tharkun | TIA |
| 01:36.47 | tharkun | S |
| 01:36.56 | GinTonic | I can't get in desktop environment when i upgrade to testing, the system is debian ! |
| 01:37.48 | s3a | tharkun, "try it and see"? |
| 01:37.53 | tharkun | yes |
| 01:38.06 | s3a | i already did before coming here but i'm trying to make sure |
| 01:38.12 | s3a | ill paste the output |
| 01:38.32 | s3a | a confirmation would mean a lot |
| 01:38.54 | GinTonic | Can someone help me ? |
| 01:39.04 | GinTonic | I can't get in desktop environment when i upgrade to testing, the system is debian ! |
| 01:39.32 | tharkun | s3a: if you make the path to the archives part of the hash it will obviously change the hash itself. |
| 01:39.41 | tharkun | !tell GinTonic about ask |
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| 01:40.02 | s3a | tharkun, thanks for telling me (not sarcastic) |
| 01:40.21 | s3a | tharkun, so basically cdrom is like a symlink? |
| 01:40.24 | s3a | to cdrom0 |
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| 01:40.29 | tharkun | it is a symling |
| 01:40.35 | tharkun | s/g/k/ |
| 01:40.42 | s3a | s/g/k = ? |
| 01:40.43 | GinTonic | I can't start desktop environment,is it about to the video drivers ? |
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| 01:41.06 | s3a | GinTonic, if you have a radeonhd and using lenny, then ya |
| 01:42.36 | GinTonic | the kernel is 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 01:42.57 | GinTonic | s3a ,what's your mean ? |
| 01:43.03 | GinTonic | thank u ! |
| 01:43.07 | dvs | GinTonic: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you |
| 01:43.07 | s3a | tharkun, ok so what exactly is going on here: http://pastebin.com/zfPXstLi and what's the whole 0+0 and 0 bytes mean? |
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| 01:43.36 | s3a | GinTonic, , are you using debian testing? |
| 01:43.56 | GinTonic | yes ,debian testing sources |
| 01:44.23 | s3a | GinTonic, have you tried more than one desktop environment to test? |
| 01:44.44 | GinTonic | would you please do me a favor to have a look at Xorg.0.log ? |
| 01:45.04 | tharkun | s3a: it means dd is reading 0 bytes and it is outputing also 0 bytes |
| 01:45.17 | GinTonic | no ,i am using gnome and gdm all the same |
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| 01:45.34 | s3a | GinTonic, do you know how to use the mv terminal command? |
| 01:45.55 | GinTonic | a little |
| 01:46.15 | s3a | tharkun, k3b keeps saying they burnt bad upon verification and I have a feeling it's wrong again (i wasted many discs and lenny also had this bug on a different version) |
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| 01:46.48 | s3a | GinTonic, ok so move the xorg.conf to the desktop (for convenience) and see if it works without it, if not, using the terminal, you can move it back |
| 01:48.06 | s3a | GinTonic, in other words, do sudo mv /etc/xorg.conf ~/Desktop and then do sudo gdm |
| 01:48.11 | GinTonic | s3a ,it can't work ,i think ! |
| 01:48.20 | s3a | what? |
| 01:49.19 | GinTonic | mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/Desktop is it right? |
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| 01:50.51 | GinTonic | let me have a try for it ,thank you ,i'll be back |
| 01:51.16 | s3a | tharkun, i didn't type that command myself that's why i don't understand, so it seems that the iso has a different hash than both cdrom and cdrom0? is my disc actually burnt incorrectly? |
| 01:51.41 | s3a | GinTonic, ya that's it and sorry for late response |
| 01:52.03 | GinTonic | the gdm inform me that i need to config xorg.conf correctly! |
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| 01:53.04 | s3a | GinTonic, that's after you had it moved? also i meant sudo gdm3 |
| 01:53.07 | s3a | or gdm3 |
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| 01:53.20 | GinTonic | so ,may be the video drivers is not right |
| 01:53.31 | s3a | GinTonic, that's what i think but still try gdm3 |
| 01:53.42 | s3a | did you change video card? |
| 01:53.50 | GinTonic | no |
| 01:54.02 | s3a | ok so try gdm3 without xorg.conf |
| 01:54.23 | GinTonic | i have to install gdm3 first ! |
| 01:54.34 | GinTonic | try it ! |
| 01:54.53 | GinTonic | soon back 1 |
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| 01:55.26 | s3a | tharkun, you there? |
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| 02:10.10 | tharkun | s3a: Sorry i'm busy at the momment. Try hashing the device directly |
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| 02:11.57 | s3a | tharkun, wait could you give me the shortest terminal command to get the md5sum? dd if=/media/cdrom0 doesn't do what i need |
| 02:12.04 | s3a | before you leave or whatever |
| 02:12.46 | tharkun | md5sum is the command :) |
| 02:12.55 | s3a | o wait is it dd if=/media/cdrom0 | md5sum |
| 02:13.11 | s3a | md5sum works for the iso file but not the cd |
| 02:14.14 | dvs | md5sum /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 02:15.59 | s3a | dvs, that returns: md5sum: /media/cdrom0/: Is a directory |
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| 02:17.09 | dvs | md5sum /dev/scd0 ? |
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| 02:18.12 | s3a | dvs, omg that might be it |
| 02:18.21 | s3a | what's scd0? |
| 02:18.28 | s3a | like how is that my optical drive? |
| 02:18.47 | dvs | it's the device node |
| 02:19.02 | s3a | what's that in this context? |
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| 02:19.22 | s3a | sorry for being dumb |
| 02:19.30 | icaunus | abrotman dondelelcaro tharkun , well i got bash back but i still can't remove dash. if i try apt-get says that it also needs to remove bash and that's "potentially harmfull" :-) apt-get's right, you cant boot any more if u continue, well u can boot with another shell (ksh) but that will give u all sorts of new trouble |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | icaunus: as long as you have bash, does it really matter? |
| 02:19.51 | dvs | s3a: it's how you directly access a device |
| 02:20.39 | icaunus | abrotman: no, not for me, i just thought i'd tell the deb folks about it |
| 02:23.08 | s3a | what's the difference between cdrom0 and scd0? |
| 02:23.12 | s3a | dvs, ^ |
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| 02:23.49 | dvs | cdrom0 is a mount point while scd0 is the actual device |
| 02:24.18 | catsup | s3a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_file |
| 02:24.21 | lxsys | hi guys, i'm getting some rather strange things in my list of processes, most notably "sshd: [priv]" < does that mean my servers being attacked? |
| 02:24.32 | s3a | dvs, ok so the hash code of a mount point differs from that of the actual device? |
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| 02:24.46 | s3a | dvs, and why is there a mount point if you can just access it directly? |
| 02:24.48 | catsup | s3a: /dev/cdrom0 is a symlink to the real device file |
| 02:25.20 | s3a | catsup, ok so cdrom is a symlink to cdrom0 and cdrom0 is a symlink to scd0? |
| 02:25.29 | lxsys | guys what does this mean? |
| 02:25.29 | lxsys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.29 | lxsys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.43 | dvs | because the mount point knows about filesystems while the device node does not. |
| 02:25.44 | lxsys | i'm not sshed in as root :| |
| 02:25.44 | xk | it means privilege separation is enabled |
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| 02:25.55 | lxsys | does it mean i'm being hacked? |
| 02:25.58 | xk | no |
| 02:26.03 | s3a | dvs, The command you gave me actually failed after a long time of cd spinning: http://pastebin.com/Xhedenzj |
| 02:26.03 | catsup | s3a: use 'ls -l' to check |
| 02:26.06 | lxsys | thanks. panic over. |
| 02:26.20 | lxsys | but hang on, im not sshed in as root |
| 02:26.32 | lxsys | im not logged in as root on any tty either |
| 02:26.33 | xk | well... someone must be scanning your box |
| 02:26.41 | catsup | lxsys: use ps aux -H |
| 02:26.47 | lxsys | hmm. any ideas on tracing the source?# |
| 02:27.03 | catsup | lxsys: logged in sshd's look like this: 1566 d ? 0.5 0.0 17:43:00 sshd: d@pts/20 |
| 02:27.13 | catsup | i.e., there is a terminal |
| 02:27.24 | catsup | using -H will make it clear what is going on, in your ps output |
| 02:27.34 | GinTonic | s3a，are you online ??????? |
| 02:28.02 | catsup | (either there is a terminal, or it will say @notty) |
| 02:28.09 | lxsys | ah ok |
| 02:28.26 | lxsys | i cant seem to find root in the ps aux -H, does this mean the scanning has stopped? |
| 02:28.50 | s3a | ginet, ya |
| 02:28.53 | jenk | check /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:28.55 | s3a | GinTonic, ya not ginet |
| 02:28.55 | jenk | if you want |
| 02:29.12 | catsup | if you don't see 8694 in there, then it means that client has disconnected |
| 02:29.42 | lxsys | they disconnect within about 3-5 secconds |
| 02:29.55 | rubin110 | How do I get apt-get to reisntall a package and overwrite any user editable config files it might have plopped down the first time it installed the package? |
| 02:30.28 | lxsys | hmm well i'm running "while [ 1 ] ; do ps aux -H ; sleep 1 ; done" so if they come back i should be able to see them |
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| 02:30.51 | _genuser_ | hello peopels. |
| 02:30.51 | catsup | lxsys: that's a terrible way to do that |
| 02:31.35 | catsup | lxsys: try tail -f /var/log/auth.log|grep sshd |
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| 02:34.55 | lxsys | catsup: THANKS! I have an IP now |
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| 02:37.28 | GinTonic1 | 1.mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup |
| 02:37.29 | GinTonic1 | 2.apt-get install gdm3 |
| 02:37.29 | GinTonic1 | 3.start gdm3 |
| 02:37.29 | GinTonic1 | it's ok ! |
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| 02:40.15 | lxsys | hmmm how can i stop this guy from filling up my logs? is there a simple command I can do for eg iptables to block his entire IP addy from accessing my server? |
| 02:40.36 | abrotman | !fail2ban |
| 02:40.36 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . See Debian bug #573314 regarding Postfix and SASL. Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>. |
| 02:41.17 | lxsys | thanks |
| 02:42.30 | lxsys | whats the usage of fail2ban? i've apt-get installed it, are there additional steps? |
| 02:42.31 | tharkun | lxsys: man iptables |less +/recent |
| 02:43.25 | lxsys | looks like it doesnt need additional steps. either that, or the atacks have stopped |
| 02:44.42 | tharkun | lxsys: you can also have an alternative ssh port and deny acces on the standard port for everyone and everything :) |
| 02:44.47 | lxsys | hey is it possible to really screw with the guy who's trying to brute my ssh? like, evil stuff, stuff that the BOFH would do? |
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| 02:45.01 | lxsys | tharkun: this guy was sshing in on non-standard ports |
| 02:45.25 | lxsys | whats even more confusing, is the fact that my router firewall only lets a few ports through, not the ports that this guy was connecting with |
| 02:45.51 | tharkun | lxsys: research the recent module of iptables. it will slow him down. then if you are really pissed off there are some modules on iptables that with a little scripting can make his/her life misserable |
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| 02:46.01 | abrotman | lxsys: fail2ban has docs .. try reading them |
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| 02:46.17 | abrotman | tharkun: fail2ban is a much better way |
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| 02:46.42 | lxsys | Failed password for root from 124.6.130.134 port 45352 ssh2 |
| 02:46.54 | lxsys | thats nor even my ssh port :| and what is "ssh2?" |
| 02:47.10 | tharkun | abrotman: fail2ban is a python program that parses logs. iptables recent module is much faster and can have messages logged to triger fail2ban |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | tharkun: if the guy is beating down the door, won't take long to be caught by fail2ban .. i think the default is like 3 times in 20 seconds |
| 02:48.33 | Dewi | lxsys: that's not your IP either. Is that the source port? |
| 02:48.45 | lxsys | Dewi: i beleive it is |
| 02:49.06 | lxsys | Dec 21 02:41:50 LXS-XW6000 sshd[21686]: Failed password for root from 124.6.130.134 port 44229 ssh2 |
| 02:49.08 | Dewi | lxsys: I'm saying, that's the source IP and port, not the destination IP and port (you) |
| 02:49.09 | lxsys | Dec 21 02:41:54 LXS-XW6000 sshd[21788]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=124.6.130.134 user=root |
| 02:49.14 | lxsys | ohh |
| 02:49.16 | lxsys | right |
| 02:49.53 | lxsys | do connections always come from strange ports? like if I sshed into my server from my laptop, would that come from a port other than 22? |
| 02:49.59 | tharkun | abrotman: Interesting I'll take a further look at it |
| 02:50.14 | Dewi | lxsys: source ports are essentially random |
| 02:50.26 | tharkun | above port number 1024 |
| 02:50.32 | lxsys | ah |
| 02:50.44 | Dewi | and yes, they will tend to be above 1024 because you need root to use <= 1024 |
| 02:50.53 | lxsys | ohh i see |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | tharkun: and fail2ban can be used for many different types of connections, etc .. and they can have a timeout |
| 02:51.08 | Dewi | lxsys: this only applies to TCP tho |
| 02:51.14 | lxsys | i never quite got ports, but I think i have a better idea of them now, thanks guys |
| 02:51.51 | Dewi | lxsys: I should have said "client ports" not source ports |
| 02:52.24 | Dewi | lxsys: since your server sends back replies via 22, and for that packet source port is (you:22) |
| 02:52.36 | tharkun | abrotman: The problem usually regardles of the program or method you use to block non wanted guests. Is the threshold of attempts made by clumsy users (like myself) and unwanted guests. |
| 02:53.01 | tharkun | I've locked my self quite a few times out of several machines |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | tharkun: hence the timeout .. IIRC you can also whitelist a range |
| 02:54.56 | lxsys | isnt whitelisting kinda useless because of dynamic ips? |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | lxsys: not everyone has dynamic IPs :) |
| 02:56.49 | lxsys | :( jealous |
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| 02:58.35 | abrotman | reflashing? |
| 02:58.53 | tharkun | lxsys: dynamic IPs are now only a nuissance. If you've got one static ip with a dns server on it you can get as good connectivity as static ips |
| 02:59.37 | tharkun | abrotman: interesting this whitelisting capabilities of fail2ban. I'll test it next week. Thx for the tips |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | gone! |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | tharkun: there is a similar tool i can't remember the name of |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | tharkun: though in general, the ssh bots are dumb .. and if you want to use "security by obscurity", just change the default ssh port |
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| 03:00.22 | abrotman | or use them in conjunction |
| 03:02.37 | tharkun | abrotman: i do have several "alternative" ssh ports but i've noticed that after a portscan some random time after i begin getting this brute force atacks on the alternative ports |
| 03:03.15 | tharkun | that is when i found out about the recent module. And i'll try to make it work with fail2ban |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | there's also port knocking .. you might want to look at that |
| 03:05.48 | tharkun | thx, i'll google that |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | !port knocking |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | !port knock |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 03:08.53 | abrotman | !knockd |
| 03:08.53 | dpkg | [knockd] one of the most famous and robust implementation of "port knocking" mechanism for Linux and UNIX, see http://www.linux-mag.com/id/5445 for a short howto |
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| 03:11.00 | _genuser_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.05 | jaggz- | anyone here in los angeles? |
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| 03:14.17 | jaggz- | is there a los angeles debian group? |
| 03:16.21 | gc2 | hooray, I have successfully installed squeeze on an old headless blade via PXE. It required rebuilding the initrd with the non-free firmware for e100. Only took me about 50 reboots! |
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| 03:18.12 | abrotman | jaggz-: google "Los Angeles LUG" ? |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | gc2: /msg dpkg installer firmware ... sorry, if you'd have asked sooner, i would have told you :( |
| 03:19.23 | gc2 | abrotman, ah, but this computer has no removable media! |
| 03:20.03 | gc2 | ahh, but the second link is quite appropriate. |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | could'nt you extract that kernel and firmware from your new shiny CD? /me is just asking |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | i guess it doesn't matter now :) |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | good job! |
| 03:21.48 | jaggz- | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 04:00.57 | Pinchiukas | Is it possible to install debian in a 256MB space? |
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| 04:03.52 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: i thouhgt the minimum was 400MB, but you could try |
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| 04:10.50 | acx0 | if a website isn't working in one browser (iceweasel in this case), and is in another (chromium) - could it be a problem with the dns cache? I've tried clearing all cache, cookies, etc, in iceweasel but the site still doesn't work |
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| 04:14.06 | dubcl | acx0: maybe you have a proxy in your network config |
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| 04:15.28 | acx0 | dubcl, I should also mention I'm at a relative's house and using their network - just a vanilla router setup by their ISP - or do you mean on my computer? |
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| 04:18.07 | dubcl | acx0: in you computer (gnome, kde network config) or on iceweasel network config |
| 04:18.56 | acx0 | dubcl, I don't think so, but I'll look around; if that were the case, then wouldn't I have experienced these problems on my home network as well? |
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| 04:20.48 | acx0 | under iceweasel, I have "no proxy", and for gnome's "Network Proxy" program, it's set to "Direct Internet Connection" (this is my first time opening this program, so I've never changed its configuration) |
| 04:21.38 | acx0 | I was wondering if it was a problem with my dns cache or something, but it seems that I don't have any dns-caching programs installed |
| 04:22.20 | dubcl | acx0: no, maybe you were somewhere where there was a proxy and you forgot to turn off the settings |
| 04:22.23 | dubcl | mmmm |
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| 04:23.38 | acx0 | dubcl, could be but I highly doubt it, this is the first time I've taken this laptop somewhere since september, and that was to my uni where they don't use any proxy's (at least I think - never seen a "blocked website" page) |
| 04:25.04 | dubcl | acx0: delete or rename you iceweasel config dir, and look if the error persist |
| 04:25.35 | acx0 | dubcl, okay |
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| 04:28.00 | acx0 | hmm, didn't make a difference |
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| 04:29.59 | dubcl | acx0: then remove and purge iceweasl and install again ;) |
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| 04:34.49 | froggyman | whenever I try to mount a samba share it tells me that it failed to mount it. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 04:35.45 | dubcl | froggyman: you have any log to see? |
| 04:36.00 | acx0 | dubcl, nope, didn't make a difference |
| 04:36.23 | froggyman | dubcl, I've just been trying to over the GUI |
| 04:36.35 | froggyman | I'm unsure of how to do so on the CLI |
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| 04:41.20 | dubcl | acx0: but worked well before?, maybe is a bug :P |
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| 04:42.23 | acx0 | dubcl, I guess, who knows, lol - I'll just have to use chromium for now |
| 04:43.08 | acx0 | actually, the weird thing is, I don't think it works when I tunnel my traffic through my home server either - I should try that again |
| 04:43.52 | Rusty1 | froggyman: which gui ? |
| 04:44.35 | froggyman | Rusty1, nautilus -> network -> computer with share -> shared USB drive |
| 04:46.47 | Rusty1 | froggyman: the usb drive being plugged into a windows machine,? |
| 04:47.06 | froggyman | yes, I have it set to be shared to everyone |
| 04:47.10 | dubcl | nice question XD |
| 04:47.43 | Rusty1 | dubcl: ya never know |
| 04:47.51 | dubcl | hahaha XD |
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| 04:50.10 | folklore | why use debian when theres ubuntu, an evolved distro? |
| 04:51.21 | f00li5h | folklore: because we're not all irc trolls. |
| 04:51.23 | Rusty1 | folklore: are you trolling or do you want to discuss, if latter /join #debian-ot |
| 04:51.38 | froggyman | Rusty1, is there something else that I would need to install then? |
| 04:52.08 | dubcl | O_o troll detected !!! |
| 04:52.18 | folklore | wow call someone a troll, that's original...it was only became old and lame maybe 12 years ago? |
| 04:52.34 | Rusty1 | froggyman: nautilus sees the windows box? |
| 04:52.44 | froggyman | folklore, the people in here don't care about ubuntu |
| 04:53.00 | Rusty1 | !ubuntu |
| 04:53.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 04:53.16 | folklore | wow over 1300 peoplein #ubuntu |
| 04:53.24 | folklore | apparently those people care |
| 04:53.26 | froggyman | Rusty1, yeah, and I can mount various folders on it, such as its public folder |
| 04:53.35 | acx0 | I'd say only 3 of them know what they're talking about ;) |
| 04:53.38 | Rusty1 | and we hope they stay there |
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| 04:55.24 | Rusty1 | froggyman: in explorer, my computer, is the usb drive itself shared? |
| 04:55.24 | dubcl | studing economics -_- |
| 04:55.29 | randy_ | does debina support touch monitor,and which program support it |
| 04:55.56 | folklore | yes to allow the 200'ish combined linux distros to only pull in 1% of the desktop market, year after year, great idea. you should be on your knees thanking the people who made ubuntu, because they're bringing in tons of windows users. more users, more activity, more attention, more funding, more work done, better os |
| 04:56.41 | Rusty1 | !ops folklore is trolling |
| 04:56.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: rusty1 complains about: folklore is trolling |
| 04:57.08 | folklore | !ops rusty is abusing the bots |
| 04:57.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: folklore complains about: rusty is abusing the bots |
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| 04:57.46 | froggyman | Rusty1: The usb drive is shared on the windows computer, and is set up to allow access to everyone |
| 04:58.18 | froggyman | does it have anything to do with the fact that its an NTFS drive? |
| 04:58.30 | Rusty1 | froggyman: no |
| 04:59.06 | froggyman | oh alright |
| 04:59.17 | dubcl | froggyman: then share it on windows :P |
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| 05:00.34 | froggyman | dubcl, as much as I'd love for that desktop to run gnu/linux its not going to happen since my parents and brother use it and they won't learn something else |
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| 05:01.03 | Rusty1 | froggyman: dubcl is perhaps more useful than he wants to be, is there another windows box on the network? |
| 05:01.36 | froggyman | well, I could reboot this computer into windows and try |
| 05:02.41 | froggyman | alright, here it goes |
| 05:02.59 | dubcl | froggyman: but try to mount the usb on linux and share |
| 05:03.00 | Rusty1 | froggyman: or are the folders on the drive themselves shared? |
| 05:04.50 | dubcl | is gone =B |
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| 05:12.00 | froggyman | aha! the problem is in windows... |
| 05:12.17 | froggyman | Windows says that I don't have access to the drive |
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| 05:13.25 | froggyman | Rusty1, thanks for putting up with me! :) |
| 05:13.40 | Rusty1 | froggyman: np, good luck |
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| 05:24.36 | GinTonic | hello |
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| 05:34.30 | deco | can anyway show me an example for debian squeeze of an apt sources.list ? |
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| 05:42.18 | Infra_3600 | deco, http://pastebin.ca/2025186 |
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| 05:42.46 | dubcl | deco: deb http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 05:42.53 | deco | thank you Infra_3600 ! |
| 05:42.58 | dubcl | deb-src http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 05:43.07 | deco | thanks dubcl :) |
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| 05:43.38 | deco | anyone know why the first debian beta2 cd didn't include gnome ? |
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| 05:55.47 | GinTonic | how to mount and umount CDROM device under condition that do not shutdown computer? |
| 05:56.33 | nirazio | I'm wondering if it's possible to set up dual screen using VESA as a driver? |
| 05:57.23 | GinTonic | can you help me ? |
| 05:57.27 | bug123 | I'm not sure. The video cards I've used always need the proprietary drivers. |
| 05:57.27 | GinTonic | thanks |
| 05:57.39 | bug123 | GinTonic what do you mean? |
| 05:59.10 | GinTonic | i mean how can i remove my cdrom,when computer is still start ! |
| 06:00.05 | Dewi | GinTonic: if nothing is using it, just open it |
| 06:00.49 | dubcl | GinTonic: is usb? |
| 06:00.57 | GinTonic | no |
| 06:01.05 | Dewi | GinTonic: use the 'eject' command? |
| 06:01.11 | GinTonic | sorry ,i mean ,the CD driver |
| 06:02.03 | GinTonic | I want to pull out the dateline and power line ! |
| 06:02.45 | Dewi | GinTonic: IDE/ATAPI or SATA? |
| 06:02.57 | GinTonic | IDE |
| 06:03.08 | Dewi | GinTonic: you can't remove IDE devices on normal hardware without shutdown |
| 06:03.28 | Dewi | (there used to be high-end servers capable of it, but no PC I've seen) |
| 06:03.28 | GinTonic | CD Driver's interface is IDE |
| 06:03.46 | Dewi | you can't do it. |
| 06:04.11 | dubcl | nop, you can't =B |
| 06:04.57 | dubcl | sata is able to unplug on hot |
| 06:05.01 | GinTonic | someone told me if i pull out power first ,it's ok ,the system do not halt . |
| 06:05.01 | GinTonic | i try it ,and it does |
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| 06:06.25 | Dewi | GinTonic: yeah, it usually does |
| 06:08.35 | GinTonic | thank you ! |
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| 06:10.41 | acu | I want to shutdown the system from KDE - but I have only a log out button - what should I do ? |
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| 06:11.53 | ksk | ask KDE |
| 06:12.02 | ksk | never used it, sorry |
| 06:12.08 | ksk | in gnome there is an button to poweroff |
| 06:12.16 | hid3 | Hello everyone. It seems that my server's CPU (P4 3.2 Ghz) is 64-bit one. What would be the benefits of running a 64-bit debian there instead of 32-bit one? PS: my system has got 3 GB of memory and the system recognizes it all. |
| 06:12.18 | ksk | you also can shutdown via bash/shell |
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| 06:13.39 | ksk | like "sudo halt" (it wont ask you "are you sure?" or something like that) |
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| 06:14.33 | ksk | hid3: a 32-bit linux can manage more than 4G ( unlike 32bit-windows ) |
| 06:14.40 | cahoot | hid3: probably none |
| 06:14.46 | hid3 | ksk: I know. |
| 06:15.37 | hid3 | Ok, so my serveris being down/prepared for the operation. Should I clone my old system (32-bit one) and go or should I install a fresh 64-bit one and start from scratch, move all services, etc? |
| 06:16.27 | hid3 | Or shortly: when/why might I want to choose a 64-bit OS over a 32-bit one? |
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| 06:17.49 | bug123 | probably if you need more than 4 gigs of ram. |
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| 06:19.09 | hid3 | Really, and that's all? |
| 06:19.37 | bug123 | You gotta see how's the support for the 64-bit software you'll be using. |
| 06:19.41 | hid3 | I won't need more than 4 Gigs of RAM. The RAM is ECC Registered, so is expensive. Besides, my system handles max 4 GB. |
| 06:20.02 | hid3 | I don't use much software, everything comes from debian repositories |
| 06:20.12 | hid3 | (apache, php, mysql, dhcp, dns, ftpd,e tc) |
| 06:20.59 | dubcl | hid3: install a bigmen kernel por support more thn 4G |
| 06:21.27 | bug123 | I don't know about servers... on my desktop I came back to 32-bit. |
| 06:22.07 | bug123 | I imagine it would be ok for a server... maybe you should look for performance benchmarks. |
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| 06:22.34 | hid3 | dubcl: I won't need one |
| 06:22.46 | hid3 | Is there any 32-bit over 64-bit performance myth or so? |
| 06:23.33 | dubcl | its depends |
| 06:23.35 | hid3 | BTW, I have a 64-bit system w/ 32 GB of RAM running 32-bit debian simply because the software I need to use doesn't work on x64 (nfsen). |
| 06:23.46 | hid3 | depends on what, actually? |
| 06:24.57 | dubcl | if you use a critical proccesing applications and multi threadding, 64bit is more faster than 32bit |
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| 06:25.15 | dubcl | (sorry for my english) |
| 06:25.39 | hid3 | yeah |
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| 06:25.50 | hid3 | not sure what do you mean by critical processing apps |
| 06:26.06 | Dewi | hid3: the only reason to use 32-bit is for compatibility with closed-source stuff that's been exceptionally slow at porting |
| 06:26.08 | dubcl | like math apps |
| 06:26.10 | bug123 | On benchmarks 64-bit is usually faster. Sometimes quite a bit faster. I didn't really notice improvement here. At least not enough to compensate for the few minor compatibility issues. |
| 06:26.57 | Dewi | hid3: that said, 64-bit can be a lot faster for certian operations, but it does use more RAM |
| 06:27.44 | hid3 | So, generally would it be meaningful to switch to x64 now? I run Apache (uses threads?) with php, mysql DB (small), Samba, FTPd and this systems acts as a network router/NAT machine... |
| 06:28.05 | Dewi | hid3: nah |
| 06:28.05 | hid3 | Not sure about the 'more RAM'. I've heard it is something within 3-4% margin |
| 06:28.17 | dubcl | XD |
| 06:28.22 | bug123 | I wouldn't. |
| 06:28.32 | bug123 | but I'm lazy. |
| 06:28.56 | Dewi | laziness is important |
| 06:29.01 | Dewi | in IT |
| 06:29.45 | bug123 | I hear it's a prerequisite. |
| 06:30.00 | bug123 | Some old hacker's beard told me that. |
| 06:30.29 | dubcl | hhhahahahaa |
| 06:30.53 | Dewi | hackers don't need beards. People expect them not to have a partner, and don't really question their sexuality. |
| 06:30.54 | dubcl | =B |
| 06:31.32 | hid3 | lol |
| 06:31.33 | hid3 | :D |
| 06:31.42 | hid3 | Hackers aren't gays! |
| 06:31.50 | hid3 | Bi's, a worst case scenario! |
| 06:32.04 | bug123 | They're chubby. |
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| 06:33.41 | Dewi | bug123: that's a good point, although I've met some that would make excellent gay bears |
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| 06:34.56 | bug123 | Lol. |
| 06:35.21 | Dewi | so gay hackers could totally exist; it's just the lack of gender interaction creates a lot of false positives. |
| 06:35.26 | bug123 | The guy that was arrested, I guess it was in Finland, for the pro-Wikileaks hacks was actually good looking, though. |
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| 06:37.03 | hid3 | gays are nonsens, IMHO (sorry if there are any). |
| 06:37.11 | bug123 | lol.. how so? |
| 06:37.24 | hid3 | But I believe that almost all girls (90% of them or more) are Bi's |
| 06:37.50 | hid3 | last week I saw my GF french-kissing with her friend. |
| 06:38.07 | bug123 | Did you hide so as not to interrupt? |
| 06:38.33 | hid3 | No. They didn't become embarrased and continued doing that |
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| 06:38.45 | bug123 | Are you sure it wasn't a dream? |
| 06:38.51 | hid3 | BTW, the other girl uses debian at home as a desktop |
| 06:38.58 | hid3 | bug123: absolutely! |
| 06:38.58 | bug123 | Allow me to go Freudian on you.. |
| 06:39.35 | bug123 | I think you've been under stress lately. |
| 06:39.47 | bug123 | About whether to go 64-bit. |
| 06:39.47 | hid3 | LOL :D |
| 06:40.05 | bug123 | That's messing your dreams up. |
| 06:40.53 | hid3 | you're crazy and don't belive me since you didn't see that too. Well, I don't care. I know what I saw and I don't want to persuade anybody. Just my .02 cents |
| 06:41.08 | Dewi | If my boyfriend was afraid to go to 64-bit, I'd probably start looking around too. Just saying. |
| 06:41.18 | bug123 | lol dewi |
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| 06:41.24 | hid3 | LOL |
| 06:41.29 | hid3 | I'm not afraid! |
| 06:41.37 | bug123 | I don't know, hid. I think, maybe, if Freud was right, that might mean you have a thing for your mom. |
| 06:41.57 | hid3 | I'm just asking if there is any reason to clean-reinstall a system and move all services instead of just using dd to clone the old one! |
| 06:42.01 | hid3 | This makes difference |
| 06:42.14 | Dewi | nah |
| 06:42.20 | hid3 | Freud is nonsense |
| 06:42.23 | Dewi | unless you wanna impress a girl |
| 06:42.42 | hid3 | Girls mostly don't care about the bits |
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| 06:43.02 | hid3 | Guys care about them since they had consoles in childhood, which were sold by bits!!! |
| 06:43.02 | Dewi | they care about my bits |
| 06:43.17 | hid3 | "but mom, it has more bits!!!" |
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| 06:45.24 | bug123 | heh |
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| 06:45.47 | bug123 | The amount of bits doesn't matter. It's how you use them. |
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| 06:55.26 | samantha- | trying to install squeeze using last night's dvd-1 jigdo image, on an intel mac mini. goes smoothly, but upon reboot all i get is the flashing folder icon. what did i miss? |
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| 06:57.48 | hid3 | Flashing folder icon? WTF? |
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| 06:57.53 | nirazio | How to fix this erorr: bash: ./configure: Permission denied. |
| 06:58.07 | hid3 | nirazio: su |
| 06:58.51 | samantha- | hid3, the mac is unable to find a bootable drive, so it flashes a folder icon on the screen. |
| 06:58.55 | nirazio | hid3: How to change the permission |
| 07:00.18 | samantha- | nirazio, you need to chown -R or chmod -R the directory, as root |
| 07:00.29 | hid3 | ^^^ |
| 07:00.40 | hid3 | or run the configure from root |
| 07:00.45 | hid3 | depends on your needs |
| 07:01.15 | nirazio | samantha-: How to change the owner..can you help me pls |
| 07:01.36 | samantha- | nirazio, man chown |
| 07:02.05 | treebeen | samantha-: probably has something to do with EFI boot? |
| 07:02.19 | samantha- | treebeen, i imagine so. there isn't some magic switch in setup i missed? |
| 07:03.06 | treebeen | samantha-: maybe this can help? http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
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| 07:06.00 | samantha- | hmm. a firmware update will take a macos install, which i was hoping to not do. :-( |
| 07:06.33 | treebeen | samantha-: you can do it from a bootable cd? |
| 07:07.17 | samantha- | treebeen, do what? a firmware update? there is no livecd version of macos that i've ever seen. i need leopard. snow leopard will not run on this mac. |
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| 07:07.55 | treebeen | ah, there is also grub2 with efi support |
| 07:08.00 | treebeen | http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnMacbook |
| 07:08.35 | treebeen | <- googler |
| 07:10.33 | samantha- | this seems like brokenness in the debian installer to me. the ubuntu installer handles this ... and, if i recall correctly, it's gpl and the changes to support can be backported. but what do i know. i'm just a user. |
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| 07:11.42 | treebeen | samantha-: ubuntu is using newer software, so probably already grub that supports it |
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| 07:12.38 | treebeen | samantha-: debian is more of server OS, for the desktop you have to invest some time and work normally |
| 07:12.52 | nirazio | Even after I've installed all the Mono packages, I am still asked to install Silverlight when I visit Silverlight-enabled web pages. Even after I agreed to do this and installed the Moonlight Firefox extension from http://go-mono.com/moonlight/, nothing changed - Silverlight applets still don't work and ask to install Silverlight (directing to http://go-mono.com/moonlight/). How do I finally install it? |
| 07:13.39 | treebeen | I run testing on the desktop and even get some apps from experimental. i could just use ubuntu but I don't like their philosophy |
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| 07:15.01 | treebeen | nirazio: that's because moonlight is older than silverlight, check some site where you can test different versions of silverlight, and you'll see |
| 07:15.47 | treebeen | it's like flash, you can try to use gnash but the sites will usually demand 10.1 so you are screwed |
| 07:16.05 | Chris___ | I need advice on what kind of software to use -- I want to burn a DVD out of .avi vidoe files |
| 07:16.24 | samantha- | treebeen, system profiler reports i have current firmware on this mac (Macmini1,1). and we've reached the point where this isn't exactly bleeding edge technology here. macs have been EFI booting on intel for ... uh ... five years now? |
| 07:17.20 | treebeen | samantha-: well, debian isn't made to run on macs, is it? nobody cared about EFI until recently |
| 07:17.57 | treebeen | but don't make your life hard, just use something else if you don't want to make it work |
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| 07:19.15 | samantha- | considering that we're in feature freeze for squeeze, it would seem reasonable that this would be a high priority issue to resolve, since downstream distributions resolved it two years ago. apparently not. |
| 07:19.44 | treebeen | oh yes? what do I know... i'm just a user... |
| 07:20.05 | treebeen | i like debian. that's all. i even like it if not everything is working. |
| 07:21.08 | treebeen | but if you want to have the latest and greatest, try fedora, or ubuntu, or arch, or gentoo |
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| 07:21.37 | samantha- | i don't want the latest and greatest. i want it to boot at least to a shell. |
| 07:22.11 | treebeen | and you expect other people to solve it for you? |
| 07:23.29 | samantha- | since to an ordinary person it seems enough time has passed that this is an issue that should probably be handled in the installer, yes. putting debian on an efi mac isn't especially uncommon anymore. |
| 07:24.06 | treebeen | did you know that debian is a community project made by volunteers? |
| 07:24.31 | samantha- | spare me the lecture. |
| 07:24.43 | treebeen | ok, enough of this. |
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| 07:44.01 | xro | hi, I have an apache on a debian server... To monitor it, I installed a soft that read the apache logs... I run the soft with the www-data user but the log file have a 640 permission and a root:adm user/group.... So, my soft can't read the logs.... What is the best way to fix it? run the soft with another user? |
| 07:45.45 | streuner__ | abrotman: you are right as as always :-) |
| 07:45.49 | omes | xro: yeah, run it as somebody in the adm group |
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| 07:47.36 | xro | omes, so, run it with the root user... but it seems less secure... If someone could inject some malicious code in the log, the execute it by my soft, it get the root rigths... |
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| 07:49.49 | omes | xro: read my answer again... |
| 07:49.58 | ezzy | Does anybody know how or if I can redirect apache error codes, with ErrorDocument, to an anchor tag like /#ERROR404? It doesn't have to be with ErrorDocument as long as it gets the job done elegantly. |
| 07:50.24 | xro | omes, do you mean create a new user and put it in the adm group? |
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| 07:51.08 | omes | xro: or feed the logs as root and then su into a less priviliged user |
| 07:52.27 | xro | omes, i prefer to read the log without privileges... It's better in case of a "logs attack"... |
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| 07:54.54 | treebeen | xro: well, just create a user that is in the adm group, or add www-data to adm (less secure probably) |
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| 07:55.33 | omes | yes, you dont want to add www-data to the adm group |
| 07:55.39 | omes | add a new user or just feed to files |
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| 07:55.56 | omes | xro: cat is pretty secure ;) |
| 07:56.46 | xro | treebeen, omes, add www-data to adm is a real bad idea.... I will create a new user and add it to adm... thanks for your time and advices.... |
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| 08:10.49 | omes | xro: i just said adding www-data to adm is a bad idea... |
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| 08:10.59 | omes | jesus... |
| 08:11.03 | omes | dont people listen any more? |
| 08:11.41 | xro | omes, it was not your idea... treebeen said it... |
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| 08:13.31 | omes | xro: 12/21/10 09 45 49 < omes> xro: yeah, run it as somebody in the adm group |
| 08:13.36 | omes | xro: 12/21/10 09 49 48 < omes> xro: read my answer again... |
| 08:13.46 | omes | xro: 12/21/10 09 55 32 < omes> yes, you dont want to add www-data to the adm group |
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| 08:14.30 | omes | xro: either you're a moron, or you just don't know how to add 1+1... |
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| 08:15.26 | Dewi | omes: nobody said you had suggested it... |
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| 08:17.34 | xro | omes, are you a bit angry... i never said that you propose to run it as root.... And i thanks you for your help... What is the problem with you? |
| 08:18.21 | omes | xro: my problem is people like you... who needs to be breastfed |
| 08:18.36 | omes | i really don't know why I'm in a support channel... especially not on freenode... |
| 08:18.47 | Dewi | omes: I was about to say the same thing |
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| 08:20.08 | Dewi | xro: just ignore him |
| 08:20.17 | xro | omes,Dewi, i thought that a help channel is somewhere where experimented users can get some hints... (to avoid stupid errors)... isn't it? |
| 08:20.25 | Dewi | xro: yep |
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| 09:38.55 | kn_ | oops |
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| 09:42.10 | catsup | LOL!! |
| 09:42.16 | ksk | will you tell me, if you find it $somewhere_else? |
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| 09:43.18 | marsje | Hi! I want to encrypt a file (without keys) like this: gpg --encrypt --symmetric <file> |
| 09:43.23 | marsje | why do I need to enter a user ID? |
| 09:43.24 | catsup | ^^ lists ssh users logged in with -T |
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| 09:44.31 | vtts | marsje, could you clarify what do you mean by "encrypt without keys"? |
| 09:45.06 | marsje | vtts: with just a passphrase, symmetrically |
| 09:47.00 | vtts | marsje, have you tried: gpg -c file |
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| 09:52.08 | marsje | vtts: ah, thats it. Thanks. |
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| 09:54.20 | mazzanet | what's the appropriate method of reporting broken packages in testing? |
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| 10:13.31 | PeterNL | Hi all! And Merry Christmas! Who made the xmas gdm tehme and background in squeeze? |
| 10:13.35 | PeterNL | theme* |
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| 10:18.21 | jmt | Hello. |
| 10:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xmas theme? |
| 10:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun |
| 10:19.10 | PeterNL | Yep, that one |
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| 10:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not xmas, that's how it'll look like |
| 10:20.04 | PeterNL | Oh. It looks a bit xmasish :) |
| 10:20.17 | jmt | My GRUB screen looks like that. |
| 10:20.37 | jmt | Maybe with a different looking font. |
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| 10:31.05 | surf | hi guys I did an upgrade and now my res in 1024x768. I would like to restore it back to 1366x768 and 24bit depth. How can I make an xorg.conf? Now it's not present |
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| 10:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | X -configure |
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| 10:32.49 | CissWit | surf: are your graphic drivers still installed ? What driver are you using ? Does it support 1366*768 for your config ? |
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| 10:32.49 | CissWit | ouch |
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| 10:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
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| 10:35.47 | CissWit | surf: are your graphic drivers still installed ? What driver are you using ? Does it support 1366*768 for your config ? |
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| 10:36.02 | surf | CissWit, vesa |
| 10:36.17 | surf | CissWit, I have 2 video cards and I would like to use the intel integrated one |
| 10:36.26 | CissWit | Because your upgrade might have upgraded the kernel, and so, uninstalled your previous driver. |
| 10:36.45 | surf | CissWit, no, the kernel is still the .34 that I compiled |
| 10:36.53 | CissWit | ok |
| 10:37.32 | surf | X -configure gives a fatal error |
| 10:38.04 | surf | btw the log says: Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
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| 10:53.15 | surf | the problem when I do X -configure is that he finds 2 video cards... and how do I say: use the intel one? |
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| 10:55.58 | surf | CissWit, this is the one generated automatically http://pastebin.com/gAH2FAUw |
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| 10:56.43 | aleray | hi, I would like to install python-vritualenv. Should I install it with python setup-tools or using aptitude? |
| 10:56.59 | aleray | I don't really understand the difference |
| 10:57.06 | delby | hi. to install skype on squeeze i386, do i still use 'deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free' or should i change the 'stable' to testing/squeeze? |
| 10:57.37 | Dnumgis | aleray: you should install with aptitude unless you need a newer version than what is available there |
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| 10:58.13 | aleray | Dnumgis, thanks. When using setup-tools, where are the packages installed? |
| 10:58.27 | aleray | can it clash with aptitude? |
| 10:58.45 | surf | any idea about how to configure 2 video cards in my xorg.conf? |
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| 11:02.17 | Dnumgis | aleray: I'm not quite sure where they are installed, and I think they may clash. Anyway using the debian packages will be better for upgrading, security fixes and handling multiple python versions in paralell (to mention a few) |
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| 11:05.11 | aleray | Dnumgis, thanks |
| 11:05.15 | aleray | will do that |
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| 11:06.05 | surf | how do I set back the resolution to my usual 1366x768? After an upgrade it removed my xorg.conf and I can't manage it |
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| 11:13.28 | nirazio | How to delete all files that are returned by locate |
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| 11:16.28 | DannyButterman | hi there |
| 11:16.37 | hellnest | surf: you only can use one active video card i guess |
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| 11:16.55 | surf | hellnest, how do I know which is the active one? |
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| 11:17.12 | hellnest | lspci |
| 11:17.34 | surf | lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 11:17.35 | surf | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce G210M] (rev a2) |
| 11:17.38 | andreas122 | IN VIRTUAL BOX i cant insert the usb to move files, i cant! why? (i have debian 6 on my pc and on the virtual box the same). |
| 11:17.38 | hellnest | also reconfigure your xorg.conf so you can enabled your old resolution |
| 11:18.11 | surf | hellnest, the fact is that now I'm on the old kernel (.33) and the resolution is good even with no xorg present... |
| 11:18.41 | hellnest | surf: you run squeeze or lenny? |
| 11:18.50 | surf | hellnest, squeeze |
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| 11:19.23 | hellnest | which repo you follow? squeeze or testing? |
| 11:19.46 | hellnest | i guess kernel didn't give an effect to graphic card |
| 11:20.06 | surf | squeeze |
| 11:20.10 | hellnest | graphic card is related with xorg version.. CMIIW |
| 11:20.16 | neurolysis | Hi, is there some way to pass to sed (or something else?) a line number, so instead of matching a line and manipulating it you can just say "here's the line number to manipulate"? |
| 11:20.24 | surf | I was on .34 until yesterday but then, after an upgrade, everything was messed up |
| 11:20.55 | hellnest | messed up like? what's the problem that occur after the upgrade? |
| 11:21.10 | surf | resolution |
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| 11:21.41 | hellnest | before upgrade which graphic card that you use? |
| 11:21.45 | nirazio | How to delete all files that are returned by locate?? |
| 11:21.59 | surf | hellnest, intel |
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| 11:22.36 | andreas122 | IN VIRTUAL BOX i cant insert the usb to move files, i cant! why? (i have debian 6 on my pc and on the virtual box the same). |
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| 11:22.58 | DannyButterman | I have a little problem with the mounting of reiserfs partitions, mount -a issues errors but manual mount works |
| 11:23.12 | monzo | @andreas122 the OSE-version of virtualbox doesnt support usb |
| 11:23.31 | monzo | you need to download the version from virtualbox.org if you want that |
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| 11:24.53 | andreas122 | i dont have the ose version |
| 11:25.07 | monzo | oh, ok ;) |
| 11:25.33 | andreas122 | i just cant click the menu of the usv |
| 11:25.35 | andreas122 | usb* |
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| 11:25.41 | shalok | ung |
| 11:26.15 | andreas122 | is the virtualbox 4 better? |
| 11:27.02 | DannyButterman | Anyone for my fstab problem ? |
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| 11:27.35 | monzo | @andreas122 I am very sorry, is there a version 4? I only use virtualbox in a limited capacity and to my knowledge it's still 3.2.x |
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| 11:28.08 | andreas122 | monzo, i think yes but only in alpha or beta virsion |
| 11:28.22 | andreas122 | but i have to work with 3.2.12? |
| 11:28.31 | andreas122 | i cant understund why dont work. |
| 11:28.33 | monzo | Well, in that case, it probably isn't better :) |
| 11:28.49 | hellnest | DannyButterman: install guest addition module |
| 11:28.57 | andreas122 | i have installed |
| 11:29.19 | andreas122 | but still i cant, the buttons is grey, i cant click it to put the usb on the virtualbox |
| 11:29.26 | hellnest | surf: hmm.... no clue then. Try to update thee driver then :) |
| 11:29.29 | cydork | andreas122: check the faq on virtualbox site.. |
| 11:30.12 | xiaoy | nirazio, i would do: locate namefile | xargs rm -f |
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| 11:30.50 | nirazio | xiaoy: What is -f?? |
| 11:31.05 | omes | force |
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| 11:31.37 | DannyButterman | hellnest: problem solved, wrong option for reiserfs in fstab (remount-ro) |
| 11:31.39 | omes | man rm says "ignore nonexistent files, never prompt" |
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| 11:32.23 | nirazio | xiaoy: Why we din go for rm -R ??? |
| 11:32.26 | monzo | andreas122: I can't help you any further I think. try the virtualbox site, see if the modules for virtualbox are loaded and check dmesg for any clues |
| 11:32.26 | jmt | Never prompt, force - same thing :D |
| 11:32.39 | andreas122 | ok |
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| 11:33.00 | neurolysis | Hi, question, did some googling but can't seem to reproduce it on my machine, is there some way to use the output of the last command in the next one? Like if the output of the last command was a number, and I want to use this number in the next bit but as part of the switches? So like... grep -n "NoDDC" </etc/X11/xorg.conf | cut -f1 -d: | sed '[OUTPUT OF LAST COMMAND HERE]s/^/bla /' |
| 11:33.14 | xiaoy | nirazio, u can add whatever option u need |
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| 11:34.13 | jmt | Why -R instead of -r? They do the same thing, don't they? |
| 11:34.20 | jmt | Lol. |
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| 11:35.59 | jmt | neurolysis: Doesn't it do that? |
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| 11:36.22 | neurolysis | jmt: does it? |
| 11:36.23 | neurolysis | :| |
| 11:36.38 | neurolysis | wait |
| 11:36.40 | petemc | neurolysis: thats what pipes do, see also xargs |
| 11:36.42 | neurolysis | i have messed up my question |
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| 11:37.19 | neurolysis | jmt: sed should manipulate by default the output of the last question... but i don't want it manipulated, i want it used as a switch |
| 11:37.21 | rjd | hi, rpm -V shows altered files of installed package. Useful to see if for example ps or top has been replaced. Is there an equivalent using apt? |
| 11:37.49 | petemc | rjd: debsums, or you can check the md5sum yourself |
| 11:37.56 | neurolysis | petemc: thanks |
| 11:38.17 | rjd | petemc: debsums sounds neat :) |
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| 11:39.55 | nirazio | How to download a specific filetype from a website using wget??For example png format... |
| 11:40.23 | hellnest | nirazio: wget http://absolutepathtothefileincludetheextension |
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| 11:41.16 | nirazio | hellnest: Not that i am asking..I wanna download all the .png formats from the websites |
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| 11:42.20 | nirazio | hellnest: Not that i am asking..For example i want to download all wallpapers from a site using wget..How??? |
| 11:42.43 | hellnest | ohh :) no clue then... :) |
| 11:44.18 | ethanol | nirazio: google |
| 11:44.54 | jmt | nirazio: You could download the page using wget and then filter for links in the html. |
| 11:44.56 | ethanol | nirazio: http://leech.mozdev.org/installation.html |
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| 11:45.18 | Arrowmaster | wget also has a recursive mode |
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| 11:45.50 | ethanol | nirazio: check the source if you want to know how they do it |
| 11:45.55 | jmt | Arrowmaster: You might end up with a buncha crap you didn't want though. |
| 11:46.18 | xiaoy | nirazio, wget -r -A.mp3 <url> |
| 11:46.30 | xiaoy | if u want to download mp3 files |
| 11:46.46 | xiaoy | -A jpg if u want to download pics |
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| 11:48.02 | jmt | Nice. |
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| 11:48.33 | ethanol | ah yeah, was that simple :, |
| 11:48.34 | ethanol | :< |
| 11:48.40 | xiaoy | nirazio, in ure case wget -r -A.png <url> |
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| 11:49.05 | xiaoy | nirazio, next question -> RTFM |
| 11:49.37 | nirazio | what is RTFM??? |
| 11:49.48 | xiaoy | -_- |
| 11:49.51 | vtts | read the fine manual :) |
| 11:50.38 | xiaoy | vtts, not exactelly http://www.readthefuckingmanual.com/ |
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| 11:51.15 | xiaoy | nirazio, just joking XD |
| 11:52.17 | vtts | xiaoy, yeah.. the other meaning for F is also very popular :) |
| 11:52.40 | xiaoy | vtts, that's the only meaning |
| 11:52.46 | TauPan | Hi. I'd like my laptop to suspend itself via s2disk automatically when the battery is (almost) spent. I tried editing /etc/powersave/events and adding a script in /etc/powersave/events and adding a script in /usr/lib/powersave/scripts but that had zero effect. (although powersaved is running) |
| 11:53.05 | TauPan | woops, edit fail |
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| 11:59.59 | Bop | hi , i have vlc repositories on sources.list and i know that they have a version newer that testing repository , but when i do aptitude install vlc , nothing updates ... any help ? |
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| 12:01.56 | rigved | hi everyone |
| 12:02.12 | rigved | has debian squeeze been released? |
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| 12:08.53 | rigved | also, can anyone tell me which image to download (there are 8 DVD images for the i386)? |
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| 12:09.54 | TauPan | To make that clear, I did not put a script into /etc/powersave/events, that was a duplicate paste. |
| 12:11.17 | petemc | rigved: if the machine you're installing debian on has internet access you can download the netinstall cd and grab the rest from the internet as you install |
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| 12:12.34 | rigved | petemc: i had done that earlier but i want to install it on many computers without downloading from the internet each time. |
| 12:13.35 | rigved | petemc: i'll download the netinst and then make an installable cd from it. thanx for your help. :) |
| 12:13.41 | petemc | rigved: the first cd probably has most of the packages you need |
| 12:13.57 | rigved | petemc: ok. thanx |
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| 12:39.12 | shalok | I've told iceweasel a million times to open torrents with ktorrent and I always check the "Do this automatically from now" but it keeps asking me anyway... Why? |
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| 12:40.06 | omes | shalok: cause you don't have iceweasel 4.0 yet.. |
| 12:40.11 | omes | i know, it's irritating |
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| 12:43.34 | shalok | Is there some sort of internet quality of service program for linux? Whenever I'm downloading torrents my browser become very slow... |
| 12:43.55 | ksk | wondershaper |
| 12:43.57 | ksk | iirc |
| 12:44.23 | ksk | ye, its in the debian repository |
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| 12:45.14 | shalok | ksk, Yeah I've got that running atm but it doesn't seem to be helping much. |
| 12:45.34 | jmt | Allow less connections? |
| 12:45.52 | omes | yeah or just throttle speed in the client itself |
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| 12:48.34 | CissWit | shalok: look at tc. it makes the qos under linux. |
| 12:49.13 | shalok | Ok, I take that back. I've got wondershaper installed but not running. I assumed apt would install it as a daemon but apparently I still need to do some configuration post-install. |
| 12:49.49 | xk | shalok: you run it once, when you bring up your ppp0 interface. |
| 12:50.07 | xk | eg: |
| 12:50.10 | xk | iface dsl-provider inet ppp |
| 12:50.22 | xk | post-up /usr/sbin/wondershaper ppp0 4750 650 |
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| 12:53.09 | shalok | Ok, thanks for the help. |
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| 12:59.44 | collabra | boooooomminn! |
| 13:00.18 | collabra | another crazy epside frome your own tripl-sec... :) |
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| 13:01.03 | collabra | tripl-sec,... great cache name |
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| 13:01.22 | collabra | cache |
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| 13:01.29 | collabra | game |
| 13:01.40 | collabra | name |
| 13:01.43 | collabra | game |
| 13:01.45 | collabra | lame |
| 13:01.47 | collabra | name |
| 13:01.50 | collabra | pain |
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| 13:01.52 | collabra | same |
| 13:01.56 | collabra | hang |
| 13:02.01 | collabra | fame |
| 13:02.04 | collabra | shame |
| 13:02.07 | collabra | dame |
| 13:02.11 | OpenTokix | ok? Stop it, please |
| 13:02.14 | collabra | k |
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| 13:02.29 | jmt | 08:01:42 < collabra> lame |
| 13:02.33 | jmt | :D |
| 13:03.27 | collabra | mit is tim backwards |
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| 13:03.43 | collabra | u tryin to sa soethin |
| 13:04.03 | omes | collabra: please behave... |
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| 13:04.07 | jmt | It's also TMI jumbled up. |
| 13:04.28 | collabra | whose info |
| 13:04.34 | collabra | mine |
| 13:04.39 | collabra | or spit |
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| 13:05.35 | nirazio | Can anyone explain the flow of USB detection in Ubuntu System? |
| 13:05.49 | petemc | nirazio: ask #ubuntu how ubuntu works |
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| 13:06.00 | i5noc | nirazio, try ditching ubuntu. |
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| 13:10.59 | razieliyo | hi, I'm getting in trouble with alsa |
| 13:11.13 | collabra | cant catch up if you dont know whats ahead |
| 13:11.13 | razieliyo | I have mapped left and right channel in .asoundrc |
| 13:11.26 | razieliyo | with ttable.0.1 propierties |
| 13:11.39 | razieliyo | when I make a speaker-test, now it sounds great, right on right and left on left |
| 13:12.00 | razieliyo | but when I got into any application, channels aren't changed |
| 13:12.06 | razieliyo | I don't know if I explain myself |
| 13:13.07 | collabra | strings have natural weave,.. and there are only so many |
| 13:13.40 | collabra | between the weave you will find your prize |
| 13:13.58 | collabra | do no harm |
| 13:14.03 | collabra | EOF |
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| 13:15.32 | collabra | the fabric of our lives |
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| 13:15.48 | razieliyo | collabra, did you smoke something weird? |
| 13:15.49 | collabra | the touch and feel of COTTON |
| 13:15.58 | collabra | i love cotton |
| 13:16.06 | razieliyo | I love boobs |
| 13:16.12 | collabra | she's all fluffy and warm |
| 13:16.18 | razieliyo | boobs too |
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| 13:19.49 | collabra | lucifer |
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| 13:20.06 | collabra | doesn't shine for just anyone |
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| 13:20.08 | collabra | son |
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| 13:21.12 | collabra | for exa |
| 13:21.20 | collabra | think of a diamond,... |
| 13:21.40 | collabra | pure carbon could take and hold a charge,.... i think |
| 13:21.52 | collabra | fission |
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| 13:21.56 | collabra | fusion |
| 13:22.14 | collabra | all while shining but staying cool |
| 13:22.32 | collabra | a superconductor |
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| 13:22.43 | collabra | holding |
| 13:22.45 | collabra | charge |
| 13:23.05 | collabra | if given the right freq |
| 13:23.18 | collabra | and peaked with a correct alog |
| 13:23.56 | collabra | seems carbon,... at least,... in pure form,... as a diamond,... well...energy. |
| 13:24.32 | collabra | sustained |
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| 13:25.30 | collabra | TALKING TO THE SHADOWS |
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| 13:25.39 | collabra | PEAKING IN MY MIND |
| 13:25.49 | collabra | TRAVELING TIME AND BODY |
| 13:25.55 | collabra | MAKING MY OWN PLACE |
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| 13:26.30 | collabra | fail |
| 13:26.35 | collabra | admit |
| 13:26.36 | collabra | it |
| 13:26.40 | collabra | i failed |
| 13:26.55 | collabra | i collabsraded |
| 13:27.29 | abrotman | collabra: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 13:27.37 | collabra | yes |
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| 13:27.54 | abrotman | stop rambling |
| 13:28.27 | collabra | im posing proven scientific practise |
| 13:28.58 | omes | abrotman: don't feed the trolls... |
| 13:29.04 | petemc | just ban the twat |
| 13:29.09 | abrotman | that's not feeding .. that was asking |
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| 13:30.58 | jmt | This is why punctuation was invented. |
| 13:31.19 | collabra | education comes from observation |
| 13:32.04 | collabra | and practical application |
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| 13:33.26 | xk | heh |
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| 13:33.36 | abrotman | observes ... |
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| 13:35.26 | nirazio | Evince cannot view my dvi files. A search online shows that this seems quite common. Is there any way to enable dvi viewing??? |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | isn't there a DVI to PDF converter? |
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| 13:36.40 | abrotman | root___: you can't speak here as root |
| 13:36.44 | TauPan | hm, is nobody using any kind of automation in case of low battery here? |
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| 13:37.07 | TauPan | (or has an idea how to set it up?) |
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| 13:37.51 | abrotman | TauPan: kde/gnonme have front ends to make that a bit easier |
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| 13:38.41 | rigved | i5noc: related to an earlier comment you had made, why ditch ubuntu? it comes from debian unstable, right? that way debian gets to test everything from the large ubuntu users! |
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| 13:39.15 | abrotman | rigved: that's not how it works |
| 13:39.42 | TauPan | abrotman: so you have some kind of configuration dialog for kde and/or gnome that allows you to select an action in case of low battery? |
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| 13:40.24 | abrotman | TauPan: i'm no my netbook, but i'm sure i've seen it in gnome |
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| 13:41.11 | rigved | abrotman: hmmm...i thought that most of the bug reports go upstream |
| 13:41.25 | jmt | TauPan: I'm not on a laptop, but I believe there is a GNOME panel applet that does it. |
| 13:41.28 | abrotman | rigved: do a bit more research ... |
| 13:41.36 | rigved | abrotman: ok |
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| 13:42.26 | jmt | Hmm, never mind, it doesn't do anything but warn you your battery is low as far as I can see. |
| 13:42.35 | TauPan | looks at http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-power-manager/ |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | already packaged in debian |
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| 13:43.03 | abrotman | jmt: oh comne on .. the lxde battery app whines at me .. i'm sure gnome has something |
| 13:43.27 | jmt | Heh, like I said, I don't have a laptop :D |
| 13:43.30 | i5noc | rigved, it very loosely comes from there |
| 13:43.41 | TauPan | wtf, hal is deprecated? |
| 13:43.47 | i5noc | rigved, it changes where and what - diverges hard. google it.. |
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| 13:43.59 | TauPan | I've just started getting along with it... this operating system moves too fast for me. |
| 13:43.59 | i5noc | oh and i hate that entire community of fags |
| 13:44.15 | rigved | i5noc: i'm doing it now. :) |
| 13:44.16 | i5noc | scuse my french |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | i5noc: watch your language |
| 13:44.43 | i5noc | ya |
| 13:44.50 | i5noc | dialing back down the h8 |
| 13:44.55 | i5noc | !oswar |
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| 13:46.59 | TauPan | hm, apparently I have upower already installed on my system, and it might be that it's preventing powersaved from working |
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| 13:48.43 | TauPan | looks at how far he gets with gnome-power-manager. |
| 13:49.33 | JyZyXEL | how do you shutdown lvm volume? |
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| 13:52.49 | TauPan | gnome-power-manager seems to offer no setting that allows me to suspend to disk in case the battery is empty, it just offers to shut the computer down in that case, which is not really what I want |
| 13:53.47 | TauPan | also, like every good gnome tool, it completely takes over that aspect of my system configuration once I run it, and it doesn't offer any "expert" option (such as suspend to disk) that might distract or confuse the poor user |
| 13:53.53 | TauPan | </sarcasm> |
| 13:54.24 | abrotman | does suspend work? |
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| 13:58.59 | mdik | hi. do you have any suggestions for a program that helps copy-converting non-mp3 files onto a mp3-player? |
| 13:59.34 | mdik | (which - of course - just plays mp3. brave new world) |
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| 14:03.38 | nirazio | How to bind mouse keys with keyboard keys??? |
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| 14:08.19 | d2ogch3n | mdik: soundconverter? |
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| 14:09.53 | mdik | d2ogch3n: that looks really good, thanks! |
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| 14:12.00 | nirazio | How to bind mouse keys with keyboard keys??? |
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| 14:13.23 | Bop | hi , i have vlc repositories on sources.list and i know that they have a version newer that testing repository , but when i do aptitude install vlc , nothing updates ... any help ? |
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| 14:13.45 | abrotman | Bop: is it on hold? did you set pinning ? |
| 14:14.02 | Bop | im not aware of that options |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | Bop: pastebin 'apt-cache policy vlc' |
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| 14:15.00 | Bop | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/Hn3prG89 |
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| 14:15.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi, on debian squeeze I've a strange bug in the open with dialog, the application list is flooded with "A Wine application" entrys |
| 14:15.49 | Bop | so , if i give 499 priority for download.videolan.org , it will work , abrotman ? |
| 14:16.56 | nirazio | I want to bind CTRL+C to CTRL-RIGHTCLICK..Can anyone help me??? |
| 14:17.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | and I'm wondering how to remove these additional entrys |
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| 14:18.32 | abrotman | Bop: the one in testing is newer |
| 14:18.47 | Bop | abrotman, in testing is 1.1.3 |
| 14:18.55 | Bop | i think , in videolan reps is 1.1.5 |
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| 14:19.09 | Bop | at least , they have it for download |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | Bop: not according to what you pasted |
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| 14:20.07 | Bop | abrotman, ok , i see the versions .. the most updated package is the one who will be installed then , abrotman ? |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | you can override that, but yes, normally |
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| 14:20.31 | Bop | ok , no need to change the "500" |
| 14:20.34 | Bop | ok thanks |
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| 14:20.40 | Bop | something is wrong then |
| 14:20.44 | stew | Bop: which do you want installed? 1.1.3 or 0.7.0? |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | or they don't update their repo anymore |
| 14:21.14 | Bop | stew, i though vlc reps were updated , cause in vlc site , they have 1.1.5 |
| 14:21.24 | Bop | yeah , that could be it |
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| 14:22.20 | jmt | Bop, did you do an aptitude or apt-get update after adding the repo? |
| 14:22.23 | TauPan | abrotman: oh wait, it works |
| 14:22.29 | TauPan | abrotman: I overlooked a tab ;) |
| 14:22.36 | Bop | jmt, uptitude update |
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| 14:23.09 | jmt | Okay. You never mentioned whether you did :D |
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| 14:25.24 | TauPan | it's kind ok, and doesn't really get in the way as much that my sacarstic remark above has any real warrant |
| 14:25.42 | TauPan | so I guess I'll just run gnome-power-manager from my .xsession |
| 14:28.25 | TauPan | thanks everybody! ;) |
| 14:28.54 | jmt | TauPan: http://coolnamehere.com/geekery/rebol/grabbag/battery/ This help at all? |
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| 14:31.13 | TauPan | jmt: not really... if gnome-power-manager didn't do the job, I'd probably have written a script to monitor the output of upower |
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| 14:31.46 | TauPan | jmt: in addition, there's no /proc/acpi/battery on my system |
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| 14:31.56 | jmt | I thought you wanted to do some custom stuff when your battery got to a certain level - seemed useful for that. |
| 14:32.27 | TauPan | not really, my initial question was about doing suspend to disk |
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| 14:33.32 | ThePub | Is there a simple commandline program to burn an ISO to a disk? |
| 14:33.57 | jmt | I should mention that if all you want is a command-line printout of your battery information on Linux, you can get that with the command acpi -b. <-- |
| 14:34.08 | jmt | That was what seemed useful :D |
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| 14:34.28 | TauPan | ok, yeah ;) |
| 14:34.35 | TauPan | that is useful |
| 14:34.48 | TauPan | I usually just do acpi, without -b |
| 14:35.29 | TauPan | ups, gone |
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| 14:36.42 | Bushmills | ThePub: wodim |
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| 14:47.00 | treebeen | yeah, wodim -v dev=/dev/cdrwX my.iso |
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| 14:51.43 | bwlang | I still have an old etch box that's near retirement... I'd like to patch up its exim4 (which has a remote root hole i think) |
| 14:51.56 | bwlang | what's the quickest path? |
| 14:52.08 | bwlang | could i install the lenny version of exim? |
| 14:52.19 | bwlang | or should i rebuild the old package with the lenny patches. |
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| 14:58.10 | roe | How can I get apt[itude] to only install the dependencies of a package? |
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| 15:12.54 | stew | roe: perhaps "aptitude install '~Rpackagename'" but it begs the question of "why?" |
| 15:13.29 | roe | not sure of that |
| 15:13.32 | roe | ...yet |
| 15:13.41 | catsup | um |
| 15:14.02 | catsup | stew: maybe you want to run an unpackaged version |
| 15:15.07 | stew | catsup: what? |
| 15:15.21 | stew | catsup: i don't want to run an unpackaged version of anything |
| 15:15.25 | catsup | no, not you |
| 15:15.30 | catsup | the impersonal you |
| 15:15.33 | catsup | 'one' |
| 15:15.54 | stew | catsup: i recommend running a packaged version instead, perhaps using uupdate or ssb |
| 15:16.49 | catsup | yeah sure, but sometimes you don't want to bother with that shit, or sometimes you want to test it before you make a package |
| 15:16.57 | catsup | again, not 'you' :p |
| 15:17.28 | stew | if you are going to be just testing software, then I'd even more strongly suggest using a package, so that it can be removed or upgraded more easily |
| 15:18.00 | catsup | maybe you're just running it from the source directory |
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| 15:18.13 | catsup | maybe it's 'youtube-dl' |
| 15:18.19 | catsup | to be concrete |
| 15:18.42 | catsup | i.e., a single self-contained script |
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| 15:19.28 | stew | catsup: what version of youtube-dl do you want to run? |
| 15:19.33 | stew | catsup: and on what version of debian? |
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| 15:19.53 | catsup | hm, youtube-dl doesn't seem to be packaged anymore |
| 15:20.00 | stew | judd: versions youtube-dl |
| 15:20.03 | judd | Package youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.07.24-1; sid: 2010.12.09-1 |
| 15:20.08 | catsup | wait what |
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| 15:20.18 | stew | catsup: http://packages.debian.org/youtube-dl |
| 15:20.24 | catsup | but it's not in lenny? |
| 15:20.29 | stew | its not in lenny |
| 15:20.39 | catsup | ok |
| 15:21.41 | catsup | the latest youtube-dl in git is dated Thu Dec 16 07:09:58 2010 +0100 |
| 15:22.04 | stew | catsup: which version do you need? |
| 15:22.17 | stew | catsup: is the version from December ninth usable for you? |
| 15:22.21 | catsup | i don't know |
| 15:22.25 | catsup | i didn't bother to install it |
| 15:22.34 | catsup | usually youtube-dl breaks pretty often. it should be in volatile, really |
| 15:22.47 | stew | dpkg: tell catsup about ssb |
| 15:22.48 | catsup | don't bother to install the package, i mean |
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| 15:23.07 | catsup | lol, no need for a package, that's just a waste of time |
| 15:23.16 | stew | catsup: why is it a waste of time? |
| 15:23.32 | stew | catsup: and if a package is a waste of time, why should someone bother putting it in volatile? |
| 15:23.52 | catsup | a package that one person makes for everyone isn't a waste of time |
| 15:24.07 | catsup | creating a new package for myself every time i upgrade youtube-dl is a waste of my time |
| 15:24.20 | stew | catsup: create one and upload it to backports |
| 15:24.22 | catsup | ln -s ~/src/youtube-dl/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 15:24.44 | catsup | cd ~/src/youtube-dl; git fetch; <-- upgrade accomplished in two words |
| 15:24.50 | stew | catsup: i don't understand what you want to know about youtube-dl then |
| 15:24.57 | catsup | lol, nothing |
| 15:25.09 | catsup | i was answer your question! |
| 15:25.18 | stew | catsup: what question? |
| 15:25.19 | catsup | ...of why someone would want to download just dependencies of a package |
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| 15:25.45 | stew | catsup: oh wait, what you are saying to me is that roe is trying to install youtube-dl? |
| 15:25.49 | catsup | no |
| 15:26.07 | roe | this is almost as good as watching who's on first |
| 15:26.15 | catsup | lol |
| 15:26.19 | stew | catsup: you don't think I should be asking him this question? |
| 15:26.30 | catsup | he already said he didn't know yet |
| 15:26.36 | stew | catsup: but you know? |
| 15:26.42 | catsup | yes! he should be asking me |
| 15:26.58 | stew | i see |
| 15:27.02 | stew | sorry to bother you guys |
| 15:27.09 | tharkun | thinks there is a #debian-offtopic to have this kind of chat |
| 15:27.33 | stew | tharkun: this is offtopic for #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:27.56 | petemc | does double off topic make something on topic? |
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| 15:28.14 | stew | yes |
| 15:28.17 | petemc | heh |
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| 15:28.30 | catsup | petemc: meta-topic is off-topic |
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| 15:32.53 | blue_sky | I need to build a lenny netinst disk with a custom kernel. I've DL'd the netinst .iso, and mounted - contents copied to a new dir from which I'll build a new .iso. My kernel is built (make-kpkg kernel-image). How do I get the kernel into the new iso, I can't just copy it - the initrd needs to be installed/whatever. I don't want to install the customer kernel on the build hardware as it's diff archtecture. |
| 15:33.46 | stew | blue_sky: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 15:34.27 | catsup | blue_sky: the fast way is to take the original iso, mount it, bind mount your kernel into it, and invoke genisoimage with the correct options |
| 15:34.39 | catsup | kernel + initrd |
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| 15:35.07 | blue_sky | stew: dpkg isn't listening, I didn't get the msg |
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| 15:35.35 | stew | dpkg: tell blue_sky about custom d-i |
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| 15:36.07 | mama21mama | 0/ |
| 15:36.21 | catsup | custom d-i will take forever |
| 15:36.40 | catsup | but w/e floats your boat |
| 15:37.36 | catsup | i have this program patch-iso which actually takes an existing bootable iso and accepts a new kernel as an argument |
| 15:37.50 | catsup | (and initrd) |
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| 15:38.59 | blue_sky | stew: thanks, I already have those links, perhaps it's my understanding, I'll go through them again. |
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| 15:40.56 | blue_sky | catsup: I don't fancy the custom d-i because I don't need custom packages, just a kernel. What do you mean 'bind mount'? |
| 15:41.13 | catsup | mount --bind |
| 15:41.21 | blue_sky | catsup: ah, OK |
| 15:41.33 | catsup | it's just a trick so you can modify a mounted read-only ISO filesystem |
| 15:41.42 | catsup | you could also just copy the whole thing |
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| 15:42.55 | catsup | oh, you also need to modify isolinux.cfg to point to your kernel/initrd, unless it has the same name as an existing one, or you don't need to boot it by default |
| 15:43.03 | blue_sky | I've copied the contents of the .iso to another dir. was going to get my vmlinuz in there and then build iso from that. my concern was (from ancient history) the kernel being in the first however many KB so it booted |
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| 15:43.54 | catsup | you don't have to worry about that |
| 15:44.48 | catsup | isolinux will be able to load the kernel, and genisoimage will ensure that isolinux is able to run (because you will specify it) |
| 15:45.40 | blue_sky | catsup: I see, OK. ... can't find my initrd. Certain that I specified it in the .config... |
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| 15:51.09 | catsup | blue_sky: i can't really hold your hand through this but i will give you a working example of the technique, which actually requires another bind mount i forgot to mention |
| 15:52.00 | stew | blue_sky: note that make-kpkg never creates an initrd. it creates a .deb which will create an initrd when it is installed |
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| 15:53.46 | blue_sky | stew: Thanks, there I've just found I don't have the initrd, and I'm just checking my .config to check that I didn't untick it! |
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| 15:54.15 | ElPasmo | Hi all, I need help requesting a sync in Debian. I'm a bit lost there because I'm not familiar with the debian homepage and project. |
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| 15:54.36 | blue_sky | I don't want to install this kernel on the build machine (wrong architecture) can I generate the initrd by installing in a chroot? |
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| 15:56.06 | blue_sky | ElPasmo: you want to sync what? |
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| 15:57.57 | ElPasmo | blue_sky: http://packages.debian.org/sid/vuze in sid is 4.3.0.6-1.1 while the creator has released the 4.5.1.0 version |
| 15:58.50 | catsup | blue_sky: http://jerkface.net/software/patch-iso/ |
| 15:58.58 | ElPasmo | and it solves a lot of bugs blue_sky |
| 16:00.57 | blue_sky | ElPasmo: Sorry, can't really help you with that one. |
| 16:01.09 | blue_sky | catsup: thanks, will check that out. |
| 16:01.11 | ElPasmo | thanks anyway blue_sky |
| 16:02.03 | stew | ElPasmo: see if a wishlist bug has been filed on that pacakge requesting a new version. if not, file one |
| 16:02.33 | tharkun | files stew |
| 16:02.40 | ElPasmo | stew, no wishlist bug filed... I'll try to make one right now, thanks a lot |
| 16:02.47 | stew | blue_sky: you can generate an initrd in a chroot. it necessarily work if the hardware is different than what it is to run on |
| 16:02.52 | stew | ElPasmo: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:02.53 | stew | tharkun: ? |
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| 16:03.17 | tharkun | nothing, just bored waiting for a meeting to start |
| 16:04.26 | blue_sky | stew: the hardware isn't majorly different (well, maybe) i386 and amd64 (prolly different enough). |
| 16:05.04 | ElPasmo | thanks stew |
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| 16:26.08 | rubberneck | Im new to Debian, came from RHEL distros. I have been using the aptitude apt-get wrapper, it seems aptitude wants to remove gnome when installing new software a lot lately.. any advice? |
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| 16:27.58 | dkr | rubberneck: aptitude update to be sure your local index of all the packages/dependencies is up to date |
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| 16:45.48 | blue_sky | something odd... `chroot .` gives "cannot run command `/bin/bash': no such file or directory" any ideas? |
| 16:46.20 | stew | blue_sky: does "./bin/bash" exist? |
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| 16:46.53 | blue_sky | stew: yes: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 797784 2008-05-12 18:00 /bin/bash |
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| 16:47.43 | stew | blue_sky: no, not /bin/bash, but ./bin/bash, inside the directory you are trying to chroot to |
| 16:48.53 | blue_sky | stew: yes, I mounted /bin on ~/newroot/bin |
| 16:49.19 | stew | blue_sky: does ~/newroot/bin/bash exist? |
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| 16:49.34 | blue_sky | stew: mount -o bind /bin ~newroot/bin |
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| 16:50.10 | stew | blue_sky: does ~/newroot/lib/libc.so.6 exist? |
| 16:50.32 | stew | (and ~/newroot/lib/libncurses.so.5 etc) |
| 16:50.38 | blue_sky | stew: ah, didn't mount/bind /lib |
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| 16:52.35 | blue_sky | stew: hmmm.... any other dir's I should mount to be accessible, have /bin /sbin /usr and lib |
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| 16:57.41 | blue_sky | stew: those libs are all available under ~/newroot/lib/ |
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| 17:02.13 | blue_sky | stew: thanks for your help. I have to go now. I'll investigate tonight where I can and pick this up again tomorrow. You've been very helpful. |
| 17:02.18 | blue_sky | stew: bye. |
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| 17:09.18 | Spec | you'd think "*** WARNING"'s in debian packages would've been caught by linda/lintian |
| 17:09.30 | Spec | (nagios3-common -> ucf was run from a blah blah blah) |
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| 17:09.58 | JordiGH | How do you make debconf ask you questions with GTK+? |
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| 17:11.26 | bujin | hello |
| 17:12.23 | bujin | does any body knows how to set up properly ispconfig 3? |
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| 17:13.32 | JordiGH | Never mind, figured it out. |
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| 17:16.38 | NOMADICUS | ( ? ) >>> Hello, I am here to inquire about how to make system language changes to the "Gnome Desktop Environment". Will someone please elaborate or provide a link? <<< ( ? ) |
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| 17:50.05 | delby | hi. where does iceweasel save preferences set through edit->preferences? |
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| 17:52.59 | catsup | delby: ls .mozilla/firefox/*/prefs.js |
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| 17:55.12 | bolt | how can I prevent apt-get from installing mlocate, as a recommended, suggested or otherwise included package? |
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| 17:55.31 | bolt | it indexes my encfs mounts, which makes encrypting filenames kinda pointless. i don't want it installed. |
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| 17:55.54 | bolt | i've manually uninstalled it like 5 times now |
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| 17:56.42 | catsup | you could just configure it to ignore those filesystems |
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| 17:57.14 | delby | cahoot, catsup, thanks. got it. one more question. can i set preferences systemwide? |
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| 17:58.07 | catsup | delby: look at /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js /etc/iceweasel/profile/prefs.js |
| 17:58.59 | catsup | you probably want to be editing iceweasel.js |
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| 17:59.44 | delby | thanks :) |
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| 18:01.39 | shingouz | one of my systems goes into helen keller mode occasionally. i can get the console (or x if that is what was on the latest screen) but the system does not understand keyboard or mouse. the system clock seems to be running and the logs look clean apart from the forced reboot. network and everything else is also down at those times |
| 18:02.10 | shingouz | is there a way that i can log or monitor the system so that i could get some clue on what the hell is happening when it poops out? |
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| 18:03.40 | jordanm | shingouz: does the system have any swap space? |
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| 18:05.26 | JordiGH | Why am I getting a similar but slightly different $LANG variable in bash depending if I log in from Gnome or from a tty? |
| 18:05.41 | JordiGH | From Gnome I get en_CA.utf8 and from a tty I get en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 18:06.02 | JordiGH | And svn complains: |
| 18:06.04 | JordiGH | svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale |
| 18:06.48 | shingouz | jordanm: hmm... it should... |
| 18:07.09 | shingouz | jordanm: monitor the swap usage perhaps with some script? |
| 18:07.29 | jordanm | JordiGH: what does /etc/default/locale say? |
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| 18:07.42 | JordiGH | jordanm: en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 18:08.01 | jordanm | shingouz: sysstat can do that |
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| 18:08.38 | jordanm | JordiGH: I don't use gnome, but I would suspect some kind of gconf setting. is the their "languages" menu in the system -> preferences? |
| 18:08.48 | shingouz | jordanm: right now i have about 550M of swap and some 256 of ram here. only 4M of swap is in use |
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| 18:09.03 | shingouz | ...but that is after a forced reboot |
| 18:09.07 | JordiGH | jordanm: the language is chosen by gdm3 at boot. |
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| 18:09.17 | JordiGH | should just get rid of gdm3. |
| 18:09.23 | jordanm | shingouz: thats not much RAM... and the machine will become unresponsive like that if you use all available RAM and swap |
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| 18:10.17 | jordanm | JordiGH: /etc/gdm/Xsession:# Overwrite $LANG from /etc/profile (and friends) with the one picked in the |
| 18:10.42 | JordiGH | jordanm: I don't have /etc/gdm |
| 18:10.43 | jordanm | I would have a look at that file. looks like its setting LANG via $GDM_LANG variable |
| 18:10.48 | shingouz | jordanm: true. old box, this one. i need to see if sysstat can help me. if needed i think i will need to obtain some more ram for the thingie (if it even supports more) |
| 18:10.53 | JordiGH | It looks like gdm3 is doing crap. |
| 18:11.01 | jordanm | JordiGH: /etc/gdm3? |
| 18:11.05 | JordiGH | jordanm: Yes. |
| 18:11.16 | jordanm | JordiGH: grep 'LANG' /etc/gdm3/& |
| 18:11.25 | jordanm | s/&/\*/ |
| 18:11.26 | JordiGH | Yeah, it's not there. Must be a script it's calling. |
| 18:11.57 | JordiGH | well, I mean, it is there, but the wrong LANG isn't there. |
| 18:12.05 | JordiGH | I wonder where it's getting the en_CA.utf8 string. |
| 18:12.15 | jordanm | would guess gconf |
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| 18:13.21 | Goliath | hello mates |
| 18:13.30 | Goliath | Is openNTPD safer than ntpd? |
| 18:13.32 | jordanm | shingouz: sar -r for RAM usage. it logs to /var/log/sysstat/sa$(date +%d) |
| 18:13.35 | JordiGH | jordanm: well, I can't grep that string in gconf-editor. |
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| 18:14.47 | jackiepaper | Trying to learn best way to allow dpkg-buildpackage running on an i386 system to build packages targeted for amd64 systems. binaries with shlib dependencies of course keep throwing fatal "couldn't find library" errors; should I be passing "--ignore-missing-info" to dpkg-shlibdeps or what is the best way? |
| 18:15.20 | shingouz | jordanm: just sucking in sysstat, i was about to delve into the manpage in a few minutes. thank you, man |
| 18:15.51 | JordiGH | Hm, this might be #471508 |
| 18:16.57 | JordiGH | I see... |
| 18:17.01 | JordiGH | I see wtf's going on here. |
| 18:17.04 | JordiGH | It's an Ubuntuism. |
| 18:17.12 | JordiGH | en_CA.utf8 is the name of the locale in Ubuntu. |
| 18:17.19 | JordiGH | And the Ubuntuism crept into my Debian. |
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| 18:18.20 | JordiGH | No wait, this isn't the correct diagnostic. |
| 18:18.35 | jordanm | JordiGH: I hate when that happens... |
| 18:19.20 | jordanm | like #592175 |
| 18:19.49 | JordiGH | Yeah, ok, I was too quick here. I don't think that's to blame. |
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| 18:20.49 | jordanm | wasn't even aware that .ca got its own locale |
| 18:21.16 | JordiGH | But gdm3 seems silly if I'm not yet running Gnome 3. |
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| 18:22.04 | shingouz | jordanm: wouldn't -rS be a better one here, looks like it would show some stats on the swap too? |
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| 18:22.10 | jordanm | !tell JordiGH about install xfce |
| 18:22.18 | nirazio | what dose this mean top -n 2 -b -d 0.2 i |
| 18:22.22 | JordiGH | No, I like gnome, that's not the answer. |
| 18:22.36 | jordanm | JordiGH: it is, you just don't know it yet :) |
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| 18:23.13 | JordiGH | brb, seeing if plain gdm fixes my woes. |
| 18:23.22 | jordanm | nirazio: man top |
| 18:23.27 | jordanm | nirazio: "/" to search |
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| 18:29.49 | JordiGH | Yeah, gdm 2 got the right locale name. |
| 18:30.22 | jordanm | !bts |
| 18:30.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 18:30.28 | jordanm | JordiGH: I am sure you know the drill :) |
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| 18:31.23 | JordiGH | Yeah, yeah. |
| 18:31.44 | JordiGH | I wanna investigate a bit more so that I can provide a more useful bug report. |
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| 18:34.42 | JordiGH | Why is squeeze even shipping gdm3? Isn't that for Gnome 3/ |
| 18:34.43 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 18:35.54 | shingouz | jordanm: sar is running in the background now. now we just have to wait for this thing to go casters up again. could take a few days but it will be interesting to see what the logs have to say. thanks again |
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| 18:39.27 | erry | Can i make the /etc/security/limits.conf file update w.o restarting the system? |
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| 18:39.43 | erry | it only seems to work after restart |
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| 18:39.54 | stew | erry: it affects subsequent logins |
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| 18:41.30 | erry | stew, so if a user logs out and back in the limit will affect them |
| 18:41.32 | erry | ? |
| 18:41.46 | stew | erry: yes |
| 18:41.55 | erry | stew, how can i test that |
| 18:41.59 | erry | other than a fork bomb -.- |
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| 18:43.54 | zxoch | Hi there, I've installed Debian 6.0 Beta2 on a gateway laptop, but I want to have a graphical interface like gmone. Now I'm on a terminal mode it say Debian GNU/LINUX squeeze/ sid B612 tty1. I would do next? Any help |
| 18:44.09 | stew | zxoch: tasksel install desktop |
| 18:44.51 | zxoch | stew: how it works? Any kind of help. |
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| 18:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | zxoch: Did you choose graphical desktop when running the installer? |
| 18:45.25 | stew | zxoch: it would install the packages listed by "tasksel --task-packages desktop" |
| 18:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | zxoch: What install method did you use? |
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| 18:45.49 | laser__ | hi. Having trouble with auto-mounting a NFS share when booting. "mount 192.168.0.200:/Media /mnt/media" works. I then add this to /etc/fstab: "192.168.0.200:/Media /mnt/nas/media nfs defaults 0 0", but it doesn't get mounted when booting up. However running "mount /mnt/media" with that in /etc/fstab will mount it. (using debian sid, connecting over WiFi, with NFS on a NAS server) |
| 18:45.50 | stew | zxoch: (which would be a gnome desktop environment) |
| 18:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: You're using two different mount points. Does /mnt/nfs/media exist? |
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| 18:47.24 | erry | nvm it works |
| 18:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Any idea what happened to --list-packages? |
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| 18:47.39 | jhutchins_lt | stew: or --list-tasks? |
| 18:47.41 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: Oh sorry, copied one part and wrote the other directly. =) /mnt/nas/media should be the path on all commands! |
| 18:47.50 | zxoch | stew,<jhutchins_lt> I did not choose a graphical mode because it required a good Internet connection, so I just installed the base package. |
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| 18:48.16 | jhutchins_lt | zxoch: So a net install, that means you should have network repos enabled. |
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| 18:48.43 | keith4 | any potential repercussions to putting "kernel.shmmax=134217728" in /etc/sysctl.d/ somewhere? (changing shared memory size to 128M from 32M) |
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| 18:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Anything in the logs? |
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| 18:49.20 | stew | jhutchins_lt: never heard of --list-packages, i don't think anything happened to --list-tasks |
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| 18:50.40 | jhutchins_lt | stew: We were stumbling around yesterday trying to find --list-tasks and --list-packages is, of course, not it. |
| 18:50.47 | zxoch | <jhutchins_lt> Yep, I guess... Sorry for supposing, I'm a kind of newbie on this... ( I was thinking to download the complete DVD version ) |
| 18:50.55 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: Havent found anything useful, not that experienced with logs though - just opened them and scrolled, in which one should I search? |
| 18:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Unfortunately Debian goes for lots of different logs for different reasons, messages, syslog, bootlog (if enabled), dmesg |
| 18:51.33 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't really know what you're talking about |
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| 18:52.40 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Um, nevermind. |
| 18:54.00 | zxoch | stew. I can run tasksel. Should I be a root user? |
| 18:54.13 | stew | zxoch: yes |
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| 18:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Search for the mountpoint, search for nfs messages. |
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| 18:56.26 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: yes, I'm searching through all files in /var/log now. It's not related to if being WiFi, if it tries to mount it before it connects? |
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| 18:57.48 | SophieB_ | SophieB_: how do i do a full reinstall of apache |
| 18:57.48 | SophieB_ | SophieB_: on Debian Linux 5.0 |
| 18:57.48 | SophieB_ | SophieB_: with APT |
| 18:57.56 | SophieB_ | my configs are messed up |
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| 18:58.34 | stew | SophieB_: "/msg dpkg force confnew" but note that the conffiles are owned by the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
| 18:58.57 | SophieB_ | but i tried that |
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| 18:59.01 | stew | SophieB_: and that there are many files which might comprise your apache config coming from other packages (like php, 3rd party modules) |
| 18:59.02 | SophieB_ | and it didn't work |
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| 18:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Since wifi is often managed at the user level, yes, the fstab mounts all happen before userspace starts. |
| 18:59.07 | stew | SophieB_: what command did you run, exactly? |
| 18:59.08 | zxoch | <stew> How can I select one option on the tasksel menu?. I noticed that I can changed between them with tab key |
| 18:59.21 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: So unless you put the wifi in interfaces it won't be up. |
| 18:59.48 | stew | zxoch: btw, when you say <stew> it makes it look like you are mis-quoting me |
| 18:59.49 | SophieB_ | apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common |
| 19:00.05 | stew | zxoch: space would toggle. but i'd just run "tasksel install desktop" to install it |
| 19:00.06 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: how do I now how it's set up now? =) |
| 19:00.20 | stew | SophieB_: re-read "/msg dpkg force confnew" |
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| 19:00.39 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Presumably you were the one who set it up. Does wifi use the network manaager applet to set it's SSID and password? |
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| 19:01.11 | SophieB_ | it says no idea |
| 19:01.23 | stew | SophieB_: sorry, just "/msg dpkg confnew" |
| 19:01.35 | SophieB_ | i did |
| 19:01.41 | SophieB_ | oh |
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| 19:03.24 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: ah, didn't get the interfaces part... everything is set in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: In that case ... Hm. nas. |
| 19:04.03 | zxoch | stew, Thanks for your comments. Well I just got three options Mail Server, SSH Server, and manual package selection. So I've chosen manual package selection. |
| 19:04.16 | stew | zxoch: "desktop" isn't listed there? |
| 19:04.17 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: It seems to me that drive mounts happen before networking comes up, but CIFS mounts in fstab work. |
| 19:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: Possibly need to look at ifup/ifdown files and do the mount from there. |
| 19:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | !nfs |
| 19:04.46 | dpkg | Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at http://nfs.sf.net/nfs-howto/ . For notes on NFSv4 in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4. Mailing list: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-nfs . http://wiki.debian.org/NFS http://nfs.sf.net/ #linux-nfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:05.29 | zxoch | stew, desktop option is not there, maybe I didn't choose it! (Sorry man, you must be patient with me I am a newbie :P ) |
| 19:05.51 | stew | zxoch: no, i'd expect it to be there for you to choose now. but anyway, another way to get a gnome desktop is to run "aptitude install xorg gnome" |
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| 19:07.38 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: ok, the NAS has CIFS too, should I try that first then? ... the /etc/network/if-up.d has a file named mountnfs with a script in it...dont understand what it does though. |
| 19:08.09 | stew | laser__: your networking is setup by /etc/network/interfaces? and is configured to be brought up at boot? |
| 19:08.16 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: do you mean that mounting with filesystem CIFS in /etc/fstab could fix it? |
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| 19:08.29 | laser__ | stew: yes |
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| 19:08.49 | stew | laser__: then /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh should be mounting the filesystem for you, does "/etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start" mount it successfully? |
| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: I only know that when I was running Mandriva I had CIFS mounts in fstab, and at some point I was able to remove the mount -a command from my rc.local. |
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| 19:09.33 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: It doesn't make much sense for cifs to work and nfs not to though. |
| 19:09.44 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: hehe ok =) |
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| 19:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe you need to specify "auto"? |
| 19:10.30 | elif | Hi I'm using preseed to autoinstall lucid --(I know here not ubuntu, but ubuntu room is very poor technically), but it stops the automatic process asking me to choose one mirror. I pasted the mirror selecting part of preseed.cfg to http://paste.ubuntu.com/546361/, anyone could help me with that ? |
| 19:10.52 | stew | elif: sorry, we don't support ubuntu. if you can't get help from #ubuntu, try a mailing list or web forum |
| 19:11.03 | laser__ | stew: you mean booting (with mount failing) and then running the "/etc/.....sh start" line to see if it works? |
| 19:11.22 | stew | laser__: yes, or just unount it and see if the init script remounts it |
| 19:11.44 | elif | stew, ok, but this question is about the preseed i think more in general. |
| 19:11.46 | stew | laser__: are you seeing a mount failure? or just that it doesn't get mounted |
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| 19:12.05 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: According to http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s04.html#nfs_boot_time it should just work |
| 19:12.07 | stew | elif: ok, i don't know of a channel for such a thing |
| 19:12.16 | stew | elif: there is also ##linux |
| 19:12.28 | luk13 | hello |
| 19:12.47 | laser__ | stew: unfotunately there's no screen on the system, so I'm having some trouble finding any error message, tried the logs without luck... |
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| 19:13.07 | ethanol | !unfs |
| 19:13.08 | elif | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | ethanol | :< |
| 19:13.21 | stew | elif: try #ubuntu or ##linux, not here |
| 19:15.38 | laser__ | stew: yes, the "/etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs start" mounted it fine... |
| 19:15.45 | elif | anyone knows about the d-i (debian-installer) that could help with writing the preseed ? |
| 19:15.56 | stew | elif: are you just ignoring me? |
| 19:16.13 | elif | stew, no, I'm rephrasing my question |
| 19:16.17 | catsup | elif: upgrading your ubuntu to debian usually fixes the problem |
| 19:16.24 | stew | catsup: stop |
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| 19:16.53 | catsup | stew: stop whta |
| 19:16.54 | stew | elif: you are asking the question in the wong channel. its not that you are asking the question incorrectly phrased |
| 19:17.10 | stew | catsup: giving out non-helpful non-advice |
| 19:17.26 | stew | (to an off-topic question) |
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| 19:17.39 | netadmin | hello |
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| 19:18.01 | jhutchins_lt | elif: Ubuntu preseed is obviously NOT Debian preseed or you would end up with a Debian install. Our answers are not what you need, you need Ubuntu support. |
| 19:18.15 | catsup | stew: uh, that is just a snarky way of saying the question is off-topic |
| 19:18.45 | elif | ok thks guys. |
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| 19:20.39 | laser__ | stew: so, the error is most probably that it attempts to mount the share too early? before the WiFi is entirely set up? |
| 19:21.13 | stew | laser__: did you ever try "/etc/init.d/mountnfs start" ? |
| 19:21.16 | stew | err |
| 19:21.23 | stew | laser__: did you ever try "/etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start" ? |
| 19:22.13 | laser__ | stew: well, I used "/etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs start", should I try that one to? =) |
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| 19:23.14 | nirazio | How to set which application is launched by xdg-open? |
| 19:23.23 | stew | hmm, |
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| 19:24.50 | laser__ | stew: the file you proposed doesn't work... it just seem to return (no delay on the promt). |
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| 19:26.37 | jhutchins_lt | laser__: /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs shouldn't require any arguments, it should run automatically when the inteface comes up. |
| 19:26.46 | jhutchins_lt | interfaced even. |
| 19:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | sheesh. Interface. I'm gonna go get more coffee. |
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| 19:27.27 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: true. It does the job any way, if I call it. |
| 19:27.37 | laser__ | jhutchins_lt: hehe, go for it! =) |
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| 19:30.43 | laser__ | stew: , jhutchins_lt : you think there's any "ugly" fix for it? Like mounting it in a startupscript with sleep? =) |
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| 19:31.26 | Ferhat | hi |
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| 19:31.40 | Ferhat | anyone in the mood for helping me with an nfs problem? |
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| 19:33.16 | laser__ | Ferhat: if it's about nfs not being auto-mounted from /etc/fstab I can give you the previous part of my discussion =) |
| 19:33.36 | Ferhat | sure |
| 19:33.47 | laser__ | hehe =) |
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| 19:34.54 | Ferhat | waits |
| 19:34.56 | Ferhat | :) |
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| 19:35.12 | laser__ | yes, hold your horses ;) |
| 19:35.18 | Ferhat | cool |
| 19:36.09 | nirazio | I have set my default browser to chrome using update-alternatives,but when i open a website using xdg-open in terminal the website is getting opened in firefox..Why??? |
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| 19:39.04 | laser__ | Ferhat: http://pastebin.com/Y2iDCYaR |
| 19:39.13 | arnotixe | Hi I have an up-to-date git version of wine, and applied a patch. How can I build a debian package to test on other machines? |
| 19:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | Ferhat: If you haven't asked your question yet it's going to be a long wait. |
| 19:39.52 | Ferhat | ehhhh |
| 19:40.03 | Ferhat | it seems to work now for some reason |
| 19:40.06 | Ferhat | 0o |
| 19:40.09 | laser__ | hehe =) |
| 19:40.24 | Ferhat | I didn't change anything... hmm |
| 19:40.41 | Ferhat | reboots again |
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| 19:42.03 | Ferhat | sweet it works ^_^ |
| 19:42.16 | Ferhat | laser__: thanks anyway tho :) |
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| 19:42.27 | laser__ | Ferhat: np =) |
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| 19:54.50 | dubcl | how to download only some packages with apt? i try with "apt-get -d foo" but wondt work |
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| 19:56.09 | f8l | dubcl: `apt-get -d install foo` |
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| 19:56.16 | stew | dubcl: "aptidue -d install packagename" or "apt-get -d install packagename" would downlod them to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:57.38 | dubcl | i try it but apt say "is already installed" |
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| 19:58.00 | stew | dubcl: does it exist in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 19:59.51 | dubcl | no, i delete it accidentally, and i'll re-download thats pkg |
| 20:00.21 | stew | dubcl: you can chagne install to resinstall in aptitude or add --reinstall to the apt-get command line |
| 20:00.32 | f8l | dubcl: Try `aptitude download foo` |
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| 20:01.55 | dubcl | ok, wait |
| 20:03.04 | dubcl | nice, it's work, thanks |
| 20:05.11 | dubcl | mmmm, i try download openoffice.org but soly download the metapackage -_- |
| 20:05.16 | dubcl | only* |
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| 20:05.55 | f8l | dubcl: Now it's time for some aptitude ninja to tell you how to use aptitude magic. I'm not one. ;-) |
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| 20:06.44 | dubcl | i try with aptitude, but it's the same |
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| 20:07.47 | tyco | should i submit a bug report for this situation: i installed python out of testing, to replace 2.5 with 2.6. there was some trouble with libboost-python, and prevented all of my new python packages from configuring until i removed libboost-python* |
| 20:08.31 | stew | tyco: there is no package named "libboost-python" in debian |
| 20:08.38 | stew | tyco: can you show us the actual trouble? |
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| 20:09.02 | tyco | well i removed libbost-python* |
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| 20:09.11 | tyco | it was -dev and -1.something |
| 20:09.39 | tyco | libboost-python-dev and libboost-python-1.34.1 |
| 20:10.00 | stew | judd: versions libboost-python-1.34.1 |
| 20:10.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libboost-python-1.34.1' was found in i386. |
| 20:10.20 | tyco | sorry no dash |
| 20:10.20 | tyco | Note, selecting libboost-python1.34.1 for regex 'libboost-python*' |
| 20:10.54 | stew | judd: versions libboost-python1.34.1 |
| 20:10.56 | judd | Package libboost-python1.34.1 on i386 -- lenny: 1.34.1-14 |
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| 20:11.19 | stew | tyco: so this pacakge isn't in testing, there are newer versions which do work with the python in testing |
| 20:11.26 | tyco | right |
| 20:11.43 | tyco | i guess i was wondering whether is hould expect apt-get to address the conflict for me |
| 20:12.06 | tyco | or when doing installing out of mixed repos that sort of thing is expected |
| 20:12.23 | tyco | it seemed like maybe there was just a missing dependency somewhere |
| 20:12.24 | zxoch | stew, Thanks for your help. I'll see you later! |
| 20:13.16 | stew | tyco: mixing stable with non-stable is expected to break. if you tried to upgrade from stable to testing using the procedure in the release notes, You shouldn't have ended up in this situation, however |
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| 20:13.44 | tyco | stew: okay, i didn't upgrade my whole system. i just did install -t testing python |
| 20:14.12 | stew | oh, yikes |
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| 20:40.30 | jabastien | testing.. |
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| 20:43.13 | Qualcuno | hello |
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| 20:44.35 | Qualcuno | I'm running a debian server that is used to send push notifications to iPhones/iPads etc. I recently got an email from Apple: http://www.iphoneheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/push-notifications-security.jpg I am not an expert at all about SSL/TLS and cryptography in general, so I hope you could help me (folks at #iphonedev did not know). Basically, from what I am understanding, I have to add a new certificate autho |
| 20:44.36 | Qualcuno | right? If so, how do I do that on debian lenny? |
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| 20:50.06 | VanDamas | http://www.bbsex.org/index.php You must see that! |
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| 20:50.56 | epifanio | hello all |
| 20:51.30 | linksrum | hi |
| 20:51.45 | epifanio | i'm tring to mount a remote directory using samba, but i'm having problems |
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| 20:52.37 | resmo | epifanio, smbfs? |
| 20:52.44 | epifanio | i tried to add in fstab this line : //128.128.57.99/ /mnt/samba/ cifs username=username,password=password,dom=habcam-images2.whoi.edu 0 0 |
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| 20:53.26 | epifanio | but the command : sudo mount -a give me : |
| 20:53.56 | epifanio | http://paste.debian.net/102953/ |
| 20:53.57 | linksrum | epifanio: your url is incomplete |
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| 20:54.12 | epifanio | what i have to add to the url ? |
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| 20:54.37 | linksrum | url for cifs is //hostname/sharename |
| 20:54.38 | stew | epifanio: is there a share name? |
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| 20:57.23 | epifanio | yes!!! |
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| 20:58.14 | wissem | hello |
| 20:58.25 | wissem | how can i install docky on lenny ? |
| 20:58.26 | epifanio | works .. i had to ask to the admin for the shared directory |
| 20:58.28 | epifanio | thanks!!! |
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| 21:00.56 | nirazio | How to hide the present working directory in terminal?? |
| 21:01.12 | phogg | nirazio: adjust PS1? |
| 21:01.18 | mguy | nirazio: change the setting in your shell |
| 21:01.42 | phogg | PS1='\u@\h: ', or whatever |
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| 21:02.27 | nirazio | phogg: I wanna show time in terminal,is that possible?? |
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| 21:03.07 | phogg | nirazio: yes, but it might be a little complex depending on your exact requirements. many good examples can be found via google |
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| 21:03.32 | phogg | nirazio: I should clarify that to show it once it's easy: date. To show it in your prompt is harder |
| 21:04.43 | phogg | nirazio: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html (for example) |
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| 21:09.55 | nirazio | phogg: Thankyou,how to change the PS1 variable permanently ?? |
| 21:10.29 | phogg | nirazio: put the assignment in a file which is sourced by your shell at start |
| 21:10.45 | stew | nirazio: its typically defined in .bashrc (assuming you are using bash) |
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| 21:18.02 | jhutchins_lt | Why can't open office open documents over smb? |
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| 21:21.36 | blackplague1347 | Hello all. I'm having a screen resolution problem. I need to adjust it, but can't seem to figure out how. I try to go through System -> preferences -> Screen Resolution, but when I click the drop-down list, no options show up for me to choose from. |
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| 21:26.22 | mguy | blackplague1347: There's not even one option, the one it's set on? |
| 21:26.33 | mguy | blackplague1347: What video card are you using? |
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| 21:33.08 | osmosis | how do I view the new changelog before installing an update? |
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| 21:33.47 | stew | osmosis: aptitude changelog packagename |
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| 21:34.03 | stew | osmosis: or have a look at apt-listchanges if you want this to happen every time |
| 21:34.22 | blackplague1347 | mguy: No, no options at all. The box is blank and when I click it, it turns grey. I'm not sure what video card I'm using, how can I find out? |
| 21:34.51 | stew | blackplague1347: does "xrandr -q" list other modes? |
| 21:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | Backup: lspci | grep VGA |
| 21:35.09 | osmosis | stew, what do you mean every time? |
| 21:35.38 | stew | osmosis: every time you install an update |
| 21:35.52 | stew | osmosis: do you want to see the changelog for one particular update or for every update from now on? |
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| 21:41.23 | blackplague1347 | stew: It lists 3: 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480. Current is 1024x768, which is also the maximum. My monitor is widescreen, so 1024x768 doesn't look too pretty. |
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| 21:42.19 | andares | hey, I'm using grub2 and I want to be able to boot my Windows partition from it. |
| 21:42.25 | andares | how should I edit the conf files? |
| 21:42.49 | stew | blackplague1347: what video card do you have? |
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| 21:44.12 | blackplague1347 | stew: I don't know. Is there a command I can run to find out? Sorry, I'm new. |
| 21:44.56 | stew | blackplague1347: lspci -nn | grep VGA ; and tell us the the two numbers at the end, something like "8086:10de" |
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| 21:46.37 | blackplague1347 | stew: [8086:2a42] |
| 21:46.59 | stew | judd: xorg 80867:2a42 |
| 21:47.02 | judd | Device 0867:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 21:47.07 | stew | judd: xorg 8086:2a42 |
| 21:47.09 | judd | Device 8086:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 21:47.30 | stew | blackplague1347: is this pretty new hardware? |
| 21:47.37 | stew | blackplague1347: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 21:49.05 | blackplague1347 | stew: it's about a year old. And yes I have xorg.conf. It doesn't have a whole lot in it, but it's there. |
| 21:49.49 | stew | blackplague1347: i would have recommended NOT using xorg.conf, but if there is nothing in there about drivers or modes, its probably just as good |
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| 21:52.18 | blackplague1347 | stew: The only section(s) that say anything about drivers is "InputDevice". Monitor just lists "identifier" as "configured monitor" and Screen has "identifier" as "default screen." |
| 21:52.30 | stew | that's good |
| 21:52.30 | jhutchins_lt | It's an intell chipset. What's the output of lspci | grep VGA? |
| 21:52.53 | stew | yeah, i'm suprised that an intel chipset wouldn't have a driver claiming support in sid |
| 21:53.02 | stew | but judd's database might be out of date |
| 21:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: You can probably move/rename that file and it should do just as well or better. |
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| 21:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: Never mind, that's an Intel Mobile 4 series, should work with the i915 driver. |
| 21:55.26 | blackplague1347 | So did I screw up during the installation process somehow or...? |
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| 21:57.30 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: Dunno, I just found the .26 kernel is supposed to support it. |
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| 21:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: Try moving/renaming the xorg.conf file. Do you have xserver-xorg-video-all? |
| 21:58.31 | blackplague1347 | jhutchins_lt: Yeah I've been distro hopping for a while now and I've never encountered this before. |
| 21:58.51 | blackplague1347 | jhutchins_lt: would that be located in the same directory as xorg.conf? |
| 21:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -l | grep video |
| 21:59.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep video |
| 21:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: dpkg -l | grep video |
| 22:01.25 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: No, not in the /etc tree. |
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| 22:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | blackplague1347: Actually, what you need is xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:06.02 | blackplague1347 | jhutchins_lt: Okay. Where might I find that? |
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| 22:08.21 | stew | blackplague1347: you almost definitely already have it. what does "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel" return? |
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| 22:10.08 | blackplague1347 | stew: Which line should I be looking at? |
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| 22:11.44 | stew | blackplague1347: the last one. it starts with "ii" ? |
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| 22:15.50 | blackplague1347 | stew: The last line says: "ii xserver-xorg-v 2:2.3.2-2+lenn X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d" |
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| 22:20.46 | stew | blackplague1347: yeah, you might be stuck with this resolution until there is a newer driver available that actually supports your card |
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| 22:23.27 | blackplague1347 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.03 | stew | blackplague1347: jhutchins_lt seems to say that the driver actually does support your card. he might know somehting I don't |
| 22:24.31 | Milp_main | How do i batch rename a ton of files and folders recursively from upper to lowercase please? |
| 22:24.56 | jelly-home | Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (desktop equivalent of your mobile chip, I think) can be made to work with lenny thru careful selection of packages from late 2008 sid snapshots that kind-of match xserver-xorg in lenny |
| 22:25.40 | jelly-home | but mine's listed: |
| 22:25.54 | jelly-home | judd, xorg 8086:2e22 |
| 22:25.56 | judd | Device 8086:2e22 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:26.04 | jelly-home | judd: you are broken |
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| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | judd, xorg 8086:2e23 |
| 22:26.40 | judd | Device 8086:2e23 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:26.43 | stew | judd: xorg 8086:29c2 |
| 22:26.44 | judd | In lenny, device 8086:29c2 is matched by xorg driver: 'intel'. |
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| 22:30.22 | stew | Milp_main: rename '$_=lc' file1 file2 file3... |
| 22:30.45 | stew | Milp_main: or perhaps somehting like: find .... -print0 | xargs -0 rename '$_=lc' |
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| 23:12.41 | wolfric | i've been trying to google this but not sure i'm using the right terms. Does debian have an option to upgrade newer releases of packages? |
| 23:13.10 | wolfric | for example at the moment, irssi seems to be up to date for debian.... it's 0.8.12 which was released in 2007 |
| 23:14.04 | Arrowmaster | ,version irssi |
| 23:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: It's one of the best, most upgradable systems there is. |
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| 23:14.37 | Arrowmaster | ,versions irssi |
| 23:14.40 | judd | Package irssi on i386 -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-1; sid: 0.8.15-2 |
| 23:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: You need to understand that the package versions don't tell the whole story though - Debian packages are heavily patched, and although the base version may appear to be a couple of years old, the package is often current. |
| 23:15.21 | Arrowmaster | current with security patches, not current with new features |
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| 23:15.52 | wolfric | right but what sort of releases should i enable in sources to get not just back ports but the latest in features as well |
| 23:16.00 | Arrowmaster | but 0.8.15 is in lenny-backports |
| 23:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Packages in the main repositories should be current as far as bug fixes and security goes. Significant new features may be available through the backports repository, and for things like anti-virus that need frequent updates there is volitile. |
| 23:16.20 | wolfric | is there anyway to tell ? |
| 23:16.52 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Well, one way is to query judd, as Arrowmaster did above. |
| 23:17.00 | wolfric | ah i see so i don't need to enable backports, main should have them for major security updates then? |
| 23:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: You can also join the mailing lists. |
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| 23:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: main should be reasonably current, security.debian.org has urgent stuff that might be more likely to break something. |
| 23:18.23 | wolfric | is there anyway to get that information that Arrowmaster did on debian itself (not online) |
| 23:18.50 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: If you add the repos and do an update, it should show the packages as .bpo packages iirc. |
| 23:18.56 | Arrowmaster | not unless you have every possible repo in your sources.list which you shouldnt |
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| 23:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: In other words, should list them as available options. |
| 23:19.38 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Backports are set up in such a way as to require you to manually request the backport package so it doesn't just update everything. |
| 23:20.05 | Arrowmaster | if you want every possible update for stable you should have main, security, volitile, and backports |
| 23:20.46 | jhutchins_lt | There are other repos, but those are the official ones we recommend here. |
| 23:20.48 | Arrowmaster | once you install a backport though it will keep upgrading it with everything else |
| 23:20.51 | wolfric | i'm sorry i seem to be slightly confused on this one, you said that main included backports for major security updates right? so what would be the difference between backports and main? |
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| 23:22.08 | Arrowmaster | wolfric: main only gets updated on a stable release, security updates goto security which is just the main version with patches fixing only security issues, backports is a newer version with everything including new features |
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| 23:23.18 | Arrowmaster | sometimes they release a minor stable update like 5.0r1 which is just moving everything from security over to main and releasing new official install iso's |
| 23:24.11 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: Actually, we've been getting some updates to the whole tree in between the minor releases. |
| 23:25.00 | Arrowmaster | but its nothing major |
| 23:25.20 | cretsiah | hi has any1 used this avi 2 smv converter http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~yurac/interests/smv-encode/ if so could some1 tell me where abouts the display size is stored as i am limited to 2 sizes 1) 96x128 and 2) 127x159 i need around the 320 size to fit screen properly |
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| 23:26.44 | misnix | 2/.und.irc |
| 23:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | cretsiah: That's not a debian package. |
| 23:27.11 | jhutchins_lt | cretsiah: I'm pretty sure mencoder, which is a debian package, has that ability. |
| 23:27.52 | nutron | what's the terminology when searching for a proper howto in enabling a second x server which auto starts on virtual console 8? I want to run multiple DE's and have the ability to use a single monitor setup for gaming. |
| 23:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: Check the X docs. |
| 23:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: It's a matter of setting which console it uses. |
| 23:29.09 | cretsiah | sorry jhutchins_lt: i got the orginal file from yahoo answers however now i cant access the page and it was a deb-i386 dkg |
| 23:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | cretsiah: Being packaged for debian is not the same as being a debian package. |
| 23:29.50 | jhutchins_lt | cretsiah: In any case, it doesn't seem like anyone here is familiar with it. |
| 23:29.52 | stew | nutron: you can "startx -- :1" |
| 23:30.05 | nutron | jhutchins_lt: ahh, that sounds messy :) Right, I want to run concurrent x servers though, I have a triple monitor setup so alt-ctrl-f7 are screens :0 to :2, wonder if I startx with screen 3 |
| 23:30.16 | nutron | stew: aye, can I automate that? |
| 23:30.21 | nutron | rc? |
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| 23:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: You're session's probably being launched by ?dm, that may have an option. |
| 23:31.18 | nutron | jhutchins_lt: aye, slim, it doesn't |
| 23:32.16 | cretsiah | yeh ok jhutchins_lt: thanx, at least it worked unlike the windows version converter. so catch u later |
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| 23:32.26 | nutron | I'll go look at the docs, didn't go there as I felt it was a "specialized" case. |
| 23:32.27 | Arrowmaster | can you run another instance of the DM and have it run on tty8 |
| 23:32.56 | nutron | Arrowmaster: yeah, I've done it in the past (years ago) I just don't remember how exactly :) |
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| 23:36.04 | Arrowmaster | ive messed with using xinit to start another X server on tty8 to run games in before but ive had some issues with it when switching between ttys |
| 23:36.23 | nutron | yeah, what kind of issues? |
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| 23:37.25 | smacnay | Here is a new issue I have never seen before - I put a new keyboard on my machine and now, when I log in as my user, the keys don't work. |
| 23:37.44 | smacnay | Other users can log in and type - I just get an error sound on all keys. |
| 23:37.55 | Arrowmaster | mostly graphical glitches until the game display updated the entire screen, also ran into an issue where i couldnt get anything to run at a fast enough frame rate once until i rebooted |
| 23:38.02 | smacnay | this is only in X. |
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| 23:38.23 | nutron | Arrowmaster: hmm was that recently? |
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| 23:38.54 | Arrowmaster | probably 6 months ago, they were all games running in wine though |
| 23:38.58 | nutron | Could just be driver problems, I just want to be able to seperate stuff out, and do it properly under the right user. |
| 23:39.00 | Arrowmaster | so that could have been it |
| 23:39.15 | nutron | Arrowmaster: ahh, yeah, well that's always a possibility. |
| 23:40.16 | nutron | I just find that I own a whole lot of old games I miss, wouldn't mind firing up quake once in a while, hate the windowed mode, but my desktop is 6144x1152... pretty horrid ;) |
| 23:40.31 | xk | 6144x1152 far out |
| 23:40.45 | xk | on how many screens? |
| 23:40.50 | nutron | try finding a wallpaper ;) |
| 23:40.52 | nutron | 3 |
| 23:41.05 | xk | what res screens? |
| 23:41.18 | nutron | 2048x1152 16:9 23" samsungs |
| 23:41.40 | Arrowmaster | that is an odd size |
| 23:42.00 | xk | pets his 2560x1600 30" screen :) |
| 23:42.03 | nutron | aye, they're still around, meant for true 16:9. |
| 23:42.10 | nutron | most are 16:10 |
| 23:42.27 | nutron | xk: hah, must be a biggun |
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| 23:42.50 | nutron | oh you already said 30" ;) |
| 23:42.53 | nutron | nice |
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| 23:52.49 | smacnay | Hi, a keyboard died on me and was replaced while the machine was on. Now, when I boot, I have no keyboard in X. Is there a reset I need to make on my keyboard for my user? |
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| 23:54.10 | FilipeMaia | Can anyone tell me a ps or pdf viewer with few dependencies so that I can easily compile it by hand? |
| 23:54.43 | pipeline | FilipeMaia: ghostscript/ghostview |
| 23:54.53 | FilipeMaia | Ok, thanks |
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