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| 00:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, no |
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| 00:03.33 | s3a | Could someone please help me get my surround sound working in Squeeze so I can watch movies with my family? |
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| 00:03.53 | s3a | well i can watch now lol but 2 speakers isn't so great |
| 00:04.43 | s3a | what happened to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ? |
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| 00:05.02 | s3a | it doesn't exist anymore so I can't set my channels to 6 like in the old times |
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| 00:09.15 | woodgrain | abrotman, any recommendations on formatting a win7 laptop for debian? |
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| 00:10.29 | s3a | woodgrain, make a separate home partition, i don't know if that's the type of stuff you're asking for |
| 00:10.42 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: ever heard of a keyboard not working for one user in X but not for others? |
| 00:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:11.08 | woodgrain | s3a, gparted won't let me make any new primary partitions |
| 00:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but configuration in e.g. gnome should be on a per-user basis |
| 00:11.29 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: must be the quality of this 8 dollar cheap knockoff. |
| 00:11.51 | nutron | smacnay: only IBM model M's work with debian. |
| 00:11.59 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: is there a setting in gconf somewhere for keyboard? |
| 00:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: How many do you have now? |
| 00:12.15 | xyan | woodgrain: delete a primary and create logical volumes in an extented partition then |
| 00:12.18 | smacnay | nutron: well, this keyboard works for other users who log into X |
| 00:12.35 | s3a | woodgrain, maybe you need to resize/shrink the win7 partition? |
| 00:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots, I guess |
| 00:12.43 | nutron | I was only trolling... =) |
| 00:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely for language |
| 00:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | so does it work for another user? |
| 00:13.04 | woodgrain | s3a, not hard to shrink win7 partition. |
| 00:13.06 | jelly-home | smacnay: are you using a desktop environment like gnome or kde or xfce, that has their own keyboard configuration utility? |
| 00:13.12 | woodgrain | I just thought I needed a primary to put debian on. |
| 00:13.21 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: me? the keyboard works for all other users |
| 00:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: Logical will work fine. |
| 00:13.54 | smacnay | jelly-home: I do use gnome but have never altered the keyboard config - it worked before I started using this replacement keyboard. |
| 00:14.19 | s3a | woodgrain, you need unallocated space to install debian on (i'm not sure i'm understanding what you're asking) |
| 00:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, mkdir BROKEN; mv .[a-zA-Z]* BROKEN/ .... |
| 00:15.00 | woodgrain | jhutchins, so it doesn't matter if my new /home and / are on logical or primary? |
| 00:15.24 | woodgrain | s3a, I have lots of unallocated space. Just not sure what kind of partiton to make |
| 00:16.00 | xyan | woodgrain: if you already have 4 primary partitions then you cant create more partitions.. if you are ok having one partition you can install debian in a single partition. but having a seperate home parition is a nice idea backupwise |
| 00:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: Correct. I recommend that you use a single partion + swap though. Otherwise the space you need will be on the wrong partition. |
| 00:17.02 | s3a | woodgrain, the debian installer will take care of that for you, all you need is unallocated space until you start installing |
| 00:17.25 | woodgrain | s3a, this is a dual boot so I have to pre-partition |
| 00:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | I had a lenny server quit recognizing the USB:PS/2 adapters on the KVM this week. |
| 00:17.52 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks - worth a try |
| 00:17.53 | xyan | woodgrain: why that install grub and be happy |
| 00:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | Didn't want to diagnose it, I just grabbed a spare keyboard. |
| 00:18.35 | yagoo | so is that big crazy santa.. he gonna load me some squeeze this saturday? |
| 00:18.37 | yagoo | heheehe |
| 00:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | s3a: The installer will even offer to shrink an NTFS partition, won't it? |
| 00:18.46 | woodgrain | xyan, don't I have to create partitions before installing grub |
| 00:18.52 | stew | yagoo: definitely not |
| 00:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, move back one-by-one or in groups until you find the one (probably for gnome) that leads to failure |
| 00:18.59 | yagoo | ohh hehehe |
| 00:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: No, grub goes on the MBR for the disk. |
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| 00:19.15 | s3a | woodgrain, a partition without a filesystem (=unallocated space) will work, the installer will just install on that unallocated partition and then have grub handle the "dual-bootness" |
| 00:19.22 | xyan | woodgrain: the installer does the partitioning and sets up grub as one of the final steps.. thats it |
| 00:19.39 | s3a | jhutchins, actually, to be honest i'm not sure, i've always shrinked before using an installer |
| 00:19.50 | s3a | using a live cd or other installation |
| 00:20.10 | s3a | (using gparted) |
| 00:20.20 | woodgrain | so, to shrink or not-to-shrink? (first that is) |
| 00:20.21 | s3a | i wouldn't be surprised though if you can shrink during installation |
| 00:20.34 | woodgrain | I'm running gparted on the wintop now |
| 00:20.37 | woodgrain | live |
| 00:21.00 | xyan | woodgrain: whats your current partition layout? |
| 00:21.03 | yagoo | oh jingle bells jingles bells debian all the way.. i cant wait for squeeze this chrismast time.. upgrading all the way HEY!! |
| 00:21.10 | s3a | woodgrain, well you have to shrink in order to have free space to install debian on so shrink it, you can always resize the partitions to suit your needs later if you're unhappy |
| 00:21.13 | Arrowmaster | i would be, if the installer was to offer the ability to shrink NTFS partitions it would probably need ntfs-3g and fuse |
| 00:21.30 | xyan | woodgrain: you can shrink the hell out of your partitions if you have 4 primaries already and want to keep them... |
| 00:21.40 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I had the same issue when I was trying to log into an xfce session |
| 00:22.03 | s3a | Arrowmaster, ya that makes sense especially with squeeze having nothing proprietary in the kernel |
| 00:22.03 | woodgrain | xyan, but it really doesn'tt matter if my new debian is going onto a logical or primary partition?? |
| 00:22.18 | s3a | wait a minute |
| 00:22.23 | s3a | ntfs-3g is not proprietary |
| 00:22.24 | xyan | woodgrain: no it doesnt |
| 00:22.35 | s3a | i typed without thinking |
| 00:22.42 | jelly-home | s3a: also ntfs-3g is not in the kernel |
| 00:23.23 | s3a | ok but in ubuntu for example, ntfs-3g is pre-installed so that might be an option there? |
| 00:23.44 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: shrinking an ntfs is done with tools from ntfsprogs, not ntfs-3g |
| 00:24.01 | s3a | jelly, that's also true lol |
| 00:24.16 | yagoo | Arrowmaster, easiest way to shrink ext3/ntfs is with gparted live boot cd.. |
| 00:24.20 | jelly-home | /usr/sbin/ntfsresize |
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| 00:24.30 | s3a | i must be absent minded |
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| 00:24.42 | yagoo | then u might have to resize the partition as well.. it's a mess.. just use the gparted live cd.. |
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| 00:24.56 | s3a | i agree with yagoo |
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| 00:25.02 | babbage | NickServ identify fibonacci |
| 00:25.09 | babbage | crap |
| 00:25.13 | jelly-home | babbage: you'll want to change that password ;-) |
| 00:25.15 | s3a | also can someone help me set up my surround sound |
| 00:25.29 | Guest23417 | jelly-home, guess so. |
| 00:25.39 | s3a | how do people learn these things when there is no documentation? (serious question) |
| 00:25.45 | jelly-home | Guest23417: or I can change it for you! <g> |
| 00:25.53 | k[t | !alsa > s3a |
| 00:26.11 | s3a | k[t, that didn't tell me anything |
| 00:26.13 | jelly-home | k[t: "tell nickname about something" |
| 00:26.30 | k[t | tell s3a about alsa |
| 00:26.34 | s3a | tell s3a about !alsa |
| 00:26.35 | s3a | lol |
| 00:26.36 | jelly-home | and the ! |
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| 00:26.47 | woodgrain | xyan, gparted won't let me make my ext3 partion a secondary |
| 00:26.47 | s3a | it's funny how i'm trying to tell myself |
| 00:26.47 | k[t | !tell s3a about alsa |
| 00:27.04 | woodgrain | xyan, I mean logical |
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| 00:27.06 | yagoo | s3a, for alsa there is documentation.. it hits generic linux.. so it's applicable to use documentation there (especially for ~/.asoundrc ), if u have the sounddriver you don't need to follow any build instructions but diagnose instructions like aplay .. |
| 00:27.10 | jelly-home | it's not like that factoid is going to be helpful about setting up pulse |
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| 00:27.54 | yagoo | woodgrain, maybe becuase your HD is mounted many times.. use the live cd |
| 00:27.56 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: that worked... now to determine what config file was wrecking me |
| 00:27.59 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 00:28.18 | woodgrain | yagoo, I'm running the gparted live disc |
| 00:28.39 | yagoo | woodgrain, what ver? |
| 00:29.02 | yagoo | woodgrain, are you disks lvm ? |
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| 00:29.40 | woodgrain | fresh version of stable gparted 0.7.1 from last week |
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| 00:30.53 | s3a | yagoo, but where exactly do i learn about how to edit the files appropriately to configure my sound the way i want it? (I want music to play on 2 speakers and movies to be real 5.1 and not forcing 5.1 always or 2 always, etc) |
| 00:31.17 | s3a | yagoo, i searched the upstream documentation but i don't see anything like that |
| 00:31.58 | yagoo | s3a, did u try the alsa site? |
| 00:32.06 | yagoo | !alsa |
| 00:32.06 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:32.17 | s3a | yagoo, i'm on it as we "speak" |
| 00:32.46 | yagoo | s3a, you'll have to verify if the driver for linux already can do that for your device |
| 00:32.59 | yagoo | s3a, this wouldn't be debian's fault if it can't.. |
| 00:33.07 | s3a | yagoo, in general or in linux? (because i know it works in windows) |
| 00:33.19 | Guest23417 | jelly-home, well, that was embarrassing. |
| 00:33.28 | yagoo | s3a, i already inferred generic linux.. so yes, any linux |
| 00:33.33 | s3a | yagoo, in the past i had it working as a 5 speaker setup but now things changed |
| 00:33.35 | Guest23417 | At least I only had 2 passwords to change. |
| 00:34.12 | yagoo | s3a, well that's a very exotic feature.. you should** get it to work again if it worked previously |
| 00:34.25 | s3a | can ALSA be considered a programming language?? |
| 00:34.43 | yagoo | s3a, rtfm already. you're unbelievable.. what kind of question is that? |
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| 00:34.49 | yagoo | sees already so many alsa sites |
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| 00:35.06 | s3a | yagoo, i ask because http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/conf.html shows syntax which sees like programming like arrays, etc |
| 00:35.24 | xyan | s3a: at least the foo in .asoundrc could be considered a programming language |
| 00:35.27 | yagoo | s3a, what do u care? everything has api's and libraries.. |
| 00:35.40 | yagoo | just focus on the user documentation.. doesn't matter how it is coded ffs |
| 00:35.41 | s3a | i care because i love computers |
| 00:35.51 | yagoo | -_- naps out |
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| 00:36.06 | Testa | hi all |
| 00:36.46 | s3a | yagoo, do you have the link i need from the ALSA documentation? |
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| 00:38.36 | s3a | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc "Joining devices to make multichannel" ? |
| 00:38.40 | s3a | yagoo, ^ |
| 00:39.27 | Testa | i have a problem |
| 00:39.30 | Testa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.02 | Testa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.18 | Testa | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.22 | xk | gotta like those depends issues |
| 00:40.35 | Testa | but i need libsdl1.2-dev |
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| 00:55.37 | cusco | fsckww: wireless-tools |
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| 01:22.54 | GinTonic | hello ,all |
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| 01:24.04 | GinTonic | I upgrade debian to testing version,firefox works ,but the system can not apt-get |
| 01:25.56 | GinTonic | The icon on net connection show that it disconnected . |
| 01:26.25 | GinTonic | Does someone know what's wrong with it ? thanks |
| 01:27.15 | cusco | GinTonic: try 'dhclient' as root |
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| 01:28.16 | GinTonic | and then ? |
| 01:28.23 | GinTonic | cusco |
| 01:28.51 | cusco | then perhaps you have internet |
| 01:28.53 | cusco | apt-get then |
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| 01:30.08 | GinTonic | i can browse internet with firefox,but i can't apt-get and login pidgin also. |
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| 01:31.01 | Arrowmaster | sounds like just general NetworkManager being confused |
| 01:31.01 | GinTonic | what's means the 'dhclient' ? |
| 01:31.14 | Arrowmaster | you are using apt-get from a console? |
| 01:31.25 | GinTonic | yes |
| 01:31.42 | Arrowmaster | dont see why that would be effected by NetworkManager getting confused |
| 01:33.28 | ksk | hello |
| 01:34.07 | ksk | i got some problem using fuse/lenny/openvz |
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| 01:35.03 | ksk | if i try an "fusermount -u $bla" i get: fusermount: failed to clone namespace: Operation not permitted |
| 01:35.20 | GinTonic | the debian system has installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome . |
| 01:35.20 | GinTonic | should i uninstall them ?? |
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| 01:35.38 | ksk | any idea whats wrong? google just links to 1-2 mailinglists, but theres no solution im afraid |
| 01:36.14 | pasky | Hi! Is there a good place to get firefox 4 properly packaged from? I know there's a mozilla.debian.org repository but its dependencies are not met even in unstable |
| 01:37.17 | pasky | Also, anyone has an idea whether firefox-3.6 from experimental is generally working well? |
| 01:38.22 | pasky | Hmm, it seems the new enough libcairo2 is in experimental, but I'm a bit afraid to upgrade such a core library to experimental version. |
| 01:38.52 | GinTonic | ksk ,are you can not open sublink when browse internet ?check you DNS |
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| 01:40.42 | ksk | wtf? |
| 01:41.53 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 01:42.55 | tq | pasky: i've added the experimental repository versions and the libcairo2 seems to work fine running the firefox beta 8 from mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:43.22 | tq | pasky: i mean iceweasel |
| 01:43.31 | pasky | too ;) |
| 01:43.35 | pasky | ok, thanks for the info |
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| 01:44.15 | Tobias| | Whenever I change my monitor's configured resolution, Debian decides to decrease my screen brightness to its minimum |
| 01:44.22 | Tobias| | Anybody know how I could fix this? |
| 01:44.28 | pasky | my firefox^Wiceweasel is just way too memory-hungry, i will try to upgrade to 3.6 first to see if it helps any, then proceed to try firefox4 if not (or maybe libcairo2 will bubble through to sid in meantime) |
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| 02:02.12 | fugdnscerd | I am setting up a chrooted web server and the howto i am using is using bsd style init and wants me to put "syslogd_flags="-l /chroot/httpd/dev/log" " in the /etc/rc.conf file.... i am trying to figure out where in debian would I put this? |
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| 02:09.37 | Dewi | fugdnscerd: I dunno anything about jails, but syslog is started in /etc/init.d/rsyslog |
| 02:09.53 | Dewi | fugdnscerd: see RSYSLOGD_OPTIONS in that file |
| 02:10.26 | fugdnscerd | i found another tutorial that suggests I put it in /etc/default/syslogd |
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| 02:10.46 | fugdnscerd | a little different format tho |
| 02:11.19 | Dewi | fugdnscerd: ah yeah. Looks like /etc/default/rsyslog in debian overrides the options in the file I just said |
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| 02:28.01 | GinTonic | hello ,everyone |
| 02:30.32 | GinTonic | when i run :/etc/init.d/networking restart ,it shows me that restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces |
| 02:30.33 | GinTonic | and i found in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules that eth0's driver is a '?' ! |
| 02:31.35 | GinTonic | now i can pppoe ,and browse internet with firefox ,but i can't do apt-get ,there is no connection |
| 02:31.50 | GinTonic | the system is debian ,testing version |
| 02:32.00 | GinTonic | thanks all |
| 02:33.24 | GinTonic | does someone kown how i can set up this problem ?thank you . |
| 02:34.42 | dvs | GinTonic: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin |
| 02:36.05 | GinTonic | DVS ,BUDDY what is pastebin ? |
| 02:36.19 | dvs | !pastebin |
| 02:36.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 02:38.09 | GinTonic | the sources.list is all right ,there is no wrong with is |
| 02:38.30 | dvs | but what is it pointing to? |
| 02:39.02 | GinTonic | I am using cn99 sources |
| 02:39.13 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:40.30 | GinTonic | the icon on gnome desktop environment shows me that the net is disconnected . |
| 02:41.02 | GinTonic | does some wrong with eth0's drivers ? |
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| 02:41.30 | dvs | i dont use network manager |
| 02:42.09 | GinTonic | /etc/init.d/networking restart ,it tole me :reconfiging networking interfaces ...SIOCDELRT:No such process |
| 02:42.47 | GinTonic | shall i uninstall network-manager ? |
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| 02:43.22 | dvs | the alternative would be to configure it in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:43.49 | GinTonic | DVS, do you use desktop environment ? |
| 02:43.58 | dvs | yes |
| 02:44.27 | dvs | kde |
| 02:44.44 | GinTonic | i'm using gnome |
| 02:45.12 | GinTonic | let me try to uninstall network-manager |
| 02:45.35 | GinTonic | i'll be back . thank you DVS buddy ! |
| 02:45.43 | dvs | np |
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| 02:47.14 | pfred1 | avahi-deamon is a nice one to axe too |
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| 03:12.56 | GinTonic | DVS, i uninstalled network-manager and network-manager-dev ,now i can login pidgin |
| 03:13.26 | dvs | that's why i dont use it. ;-) |
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| 03:14.24 | GinTonic | but ,i can't apt-get yet |
| 03:15.04 | dvs | probably something wrong with sources.list |
| 03:15.36 | dvs | or did you do an "apt-get update" first? |
| 03:16.05 | GinTonic | yes ,i do it first |
| 03:16.10 | GinTonic | deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:16.11 | GinTonic | deb-src http://debian.cn99.com/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:16.11 | GinTonic | deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian-security/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 03:16.11 | GinTonic | deb-src http://debian.cn99.com/debian-security/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 03:16.11 | GinTonic | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main non-free contrib |
| 03:16.11 | GinTonic | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main non-free contrib |
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| 03:18.19 | jaggz-1 | what runs artsd? it's running on a server of mine but i can't see what starts it |
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| 03:19.27 | Arrowmaster | whats cn99.com? |
| 03:19.36 | Dewi | what ISN'T it? |
| 03:19.36 | dvs | dunno |
| 03:19.46 | Arrowmaster | maybe its a problem with that mirror |
| 03:19.57 | dvs | something in China |
| 03:20.02 | dvs | ? |
| 03:20.11 | Arrowmaster | would be .cn then |
| 03:20.22 | Arrowmaster | i would assume |
| 03:20.31 | dvs | Arrowmaster: mixing etch and testing (squeeze) doesn't help either. |
| 03:20.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 03:23.51 | jaggz-1 | how do I see which packages depend on package X? |
| 03:24.00 | jaggz-1 | (I want to see what uses ipmitool) |
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| 03:25.30 | jaggz-1 | I aptitude removed it and didn't see anything else removed.. I guess that's a good sign |
| 03:25.47 | dvs | yup |
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| 03:43.43 | jaggz-1 | can I only allow some users to ftp in, and not others? (using vsftpd) |
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| 03:49.15 | dzup2 | jaggz-1: make a group, get those users in, chown the ftpd with diferrent group and chmod o-x users |
| 03:50.48 | jaggz-1 | ahh |
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| 03:53.08 | jaggz-1 | hm.. ncftp connects to vsftpd from remote.. but mozilla gives this "425 failed to establish connection". Apparently this may have to do with a reverse connection from the server to the client on port 20 -- but my client is behind a firewall .. |
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| 04:00.32 | jaggz-1 | yeah.. hm.. how do I stop this port 20 thing.. grr |
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| 04:21.35 | hanasaki | what are the current vpn servers/clients out there for debian: free, with win/mac/linux support |
| 04:21.36 | hanasaki | ? |
| 04:22.40 | jaggz-1 | how in the world is this reverse port 20 connection supposed to work with everyone behind firewalls nowadays?? |
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| 04:23.09 | hanasaki | jaggz-1: what's the software |
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| 04:23.37 | Debian6 | hi all, anyone here running leafnode? |
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| 04:24.32 | hanasaki | what is it |
| 04:25.06 | bloodcry | nntp server |
| 04:26.18 | Debian6 | im looking for a report generator that will generate statistics reports for my leafnode server |
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| 04:28.11 | bzaks1424 | how can one determine which files are in use by a process? |
| 04:28.22 | bzaks1424 | I need to unmount a $FS and I want to make sure I do it safely |
| 04:28.42 | bloodcry | lsof |
| 04:29.32 | pfred1 | type sync first |
| 04:29.51 | bloodcry | doesn't umount send a sync? |
| 04:29.57 | pfred1 | I thought you used fuser? |
| 04:30.02 | bzaks1424 | lsof! I knew it was one of the ls'es |
| 04:30.06 | bzaks1424 | thank you bloodcry! |
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| 04:33.14 | andares | hey, how do I add an entry for Windows in grub2? |
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| 04:34.14 | jaggz-1 | hanasaki, vsftpd is my server -- but it appears firefox and msie on clients both require active ftp (port 20) stuff and neither me nor a friend of mine can get them to work .. supposedly our routers (mine is a relatively new dlink) should handle this but they don't seem to be -- and they should do it by default, not have to be fiddled with. |
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| 04:36.47 | GinTonic | buddies. i can't apt-get ,why |
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| 04:39.34 | andares | also is there a way to use GTK+ transliterative Cyrillic input for all applications? |
| 04:39.49 | andares | currently, I like have to write stuff in a note in Tomboy, and then copy/paste it. |
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| 04:42.44 | bzaks1424 | if lsof and fuser return nothing on a filesystem - what could still be locking the filesystem (its a lvm mount) |
| 04:44.01 | Rusty1 | andares: with apologies to some , i suggest https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 04:44.30 | andares | thanks. |
| 04:47.49 | froggyman | are there are any ways to speed up samba share speeds? |
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| 04:53.15 | bzaks1424 | froggyman: use gigabit or 10 gig ;-) |
| 04:53.59 | froggyman | bzaks1424, thanks... |
| 04:54.01 | froggyman | lol |
| 04:54.38 | bzaks1424 | Froggyman - actually - I don't know enough about Samba - but how do you know samba is the hang up? |
| 04:54.40 | froggyman | Someone over at ##windows said that there were some optimizations that could be done to help speed up samba shares |
| 04:55.08 | bzaks1424 | Freenas might have some documentation on how to optimize samba shares - since that's what its really good at... I remember when setting one up there was some stuff to play with... that might be helpful? |
| 04:55.33 | froggyman | I'll take a look at that then |
| 04:56.26 | GinTonic | i'm back |
| 04:56.27 | GinTonic | buddies. i can't apt-get ,why |
| 04:56.40 | Debian6 | GinTonic what error are you getting? |
| 04:57.39 | GinTonic | can anybody help me ? |
| 04:58.29 | Tobias| | With problems like yours? Such as not listening to people asking you questions? |
| 04:58.35 | Tobias| | Probably not |
| 04:58.57 | bloodcry | oh no she didn't! |
| 04:59.03 | bloodcry | grabs popcorn |
| 04:59.28 | Tobias| | confiscates the popcorn, eats it. |
| 04:59.35 | Debian6 | GinTonic what errors are you getting? |
| 05:00.23 | GinTonic | ican login pidgin and browse internet ,but i can't do "apt-get update" no connection |
| 05:00.56 | Debian6 | GinTonic can you give more details about the error messages? |
| 05:01.28 | bzaks1424 | anyone ever had to umount /var on an lvm ? |
| 05:01.45 | Debian6 | GinTonic "no connection" really doesnt tell me anything. |
| 05:02.08 | jaggz-1 | ncftp falls back to PORT from PASV mode.. I don't recall the ftp server having to establish outbound connections to the client |
| 05:02.20 | GinTonic | when i run 'apt-get update ', it doesn't work |
| 05:02.46 | Debian6 | GinTonic sorry, "it doesnt work" still doesnt tell me anything |
| 05:02.47 | GinTonic | OK,wait please ,let me have a look at |
| 05:03.10 | Debian6 | GinTonic and please check your query window, i have a private message for you there |
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| 05:07.35 | skooby | hello |
| 05:16.42 | tharkun | !qotd0 |
| 05:16.42 | dpkg | <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 05:17.39 | Tobias| | Could've always run winscp under WINE ;D |
| 05:18.07 | tharkun | !flw0 |
| 05:18.07 | dpkg | <deadcat> Phated: ya... sarge only for them from now on... there no fucking way it will break. (= |
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| 05:46.12 | andares | hey, I'm not able to start any app that uses 3D, and I'm not sure why. |
| 05:46.25 | andares | I get X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 05:47.19 | stew | (that error, in itself, says very little) |
| 05:47.44 | andares | stew: how do I get more details. |
| 05:47.53 | andares | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.01 | andares | ooooh, I bet I need to recompile my nvidia drivers. |
| 05:48.05 | andares | that makes the most sense. |
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| 05:50.09 | stew | andares: you are trying to get the proprietary nvidia drivers working? |
| 05:52.01 | Tobias| | http://www.winehq.org/download/deb - ehm. Uhm. What? "Wine for Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives" |
| 05:52.07 | Tobias| | Where can I get the latest version of wine for debian? |
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| 05:59.35 | jaggz-1 | can I just make my ftp server (vsftpd) stay in PORT mode, and tell the client, so it's not all confused and so web browsers acting as ftp clients can handle this without erroring? |
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| 06:03.26 | Cullz | hi |
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| 06:16.10 | andares | stew: maaaaaaybe? I'm not sure.p |
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| 06:21.05 | ryan-c | so... |
| 06:21.36 | ryan-c | I want to change X to switch tty when i hit ctrl+alt+n instead of ctrl+alt+fn |
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| 06:56.02 | folklore | cookies make me smile :0 |
| 06:56.04 | folklore | :) |
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| 06:56.41 | morgonzola | hi there does anyone use the most recent power pc port of debian? |
| 06:57.24 | morgonzola | i got it installed i just want to ask is it cli only or am i missing something |
| 06:57.53 | morgonzola | when i boot up it tells me to log in from command line |
| 06:58.01 | folklore | morgonzola I don't know, but you may want to install in a vm, to test things out |
| 06:58.03 | morgonzola | and then it shows the promt |
| 06:58.07 | folklore | vmware is nice, vbox is pretty good |
| 06:58.20 | morgonzola | allright tahnks |
| 06:58.32 | morgonzola | alright thanks |
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| 07:04.15 | matu | Hi |
| 07:04.22 | GinTonic | there is something wrong with apt-get ,it cann't connect to sources, can someone tell me why ?thank you |
| 07:04.26 | matu | performing apt-get upgrade i get this debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 07:04.44 | matu | what is the problem please ? |
| 07:05.13 | matu | it says another process is using dpkg E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 07:05.25 | KB1JWQ | GinTonic: What's the actual issue? :-) |
| 07:05.30 | GinTonic | apt-get update ,it doesn't work ! |
| 07:05.37 | matu | :/ |
| 07:05.47 | KB1JWQ | GinTonic: "It doesn't work" is a crap problem description. |
| 07:05.55 | KB1JWQ | Is there an error? Does it return no data? |
| 07:07.02 | matu | i am running debian stable, please help me |
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| 07:09.11 | GinTonic | it show errors ,wait please |
| 07:09.36 | matu | it is not stable at all... |
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| 07:10.16 | GinTonic | i upgrade debian to testing |
| 07:10.17 | GinTonic | # apt-get update |
| 07:10.17 | GinTonic | Err http://debian.cn99.com testing Release.gpg |
| 07:10.17 | GinTonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.17 | GinTonic | Err http://debian.cn99.com/debian/ testing/contrib Translation-en |
| 07:10.17 | GinTonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.57 | matu | ok i just needed to create the file and it now works, shame on me |
| 07:11.19 | matu | i probably delete it by mistake |
| 07:11.21 | GinTonic | # apt-get update |
| 07:11.21 | GinTonic | Err http://debian.cn99.com testing Release.gpg |
| 07:11.21 | GinTonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.22 | matu | did |
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| 07:12.31 | arvind_khadri | GinTonic, try a different server |
| 07:13.57 | GinTonic | the same |
| 07:15.00 | GinTonic | i don't think it is in connection with those sources . maybe the apt is wrong |
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| 07:15.44 | GinTonic | any other server can not be connected by apt |
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| 07:16.21 | GinTonic | i have upgraded debian to testing |
| 07:16.45 | arvind_khadri | GinTonic, you tried the local mirror ?? |
| 07:17.19 | GinTonic | yes ,i did |
| 07:17.29 | arvind_khadri | is it the same?? |
| 07:17.37 | GinTonic | yes |
| 07:18.15 | GinTonic | so ,i do not think it has something to do with the source |
| 07:18.42 | arvind_khadri | you never know. |
| 07:19.14 | GinTonic | what's the broblem ? |
| 07:20.32 | GinTonic | buddies ? |
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| 07:21.57 | sporedi | what is nat-t and why i should use it |
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| 07:30.31 | mazzanet | what's the appropriate method of reporting a broken package? |
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| 07:32.36 | morgonzola | hello i am running debian lenny on a power pc. it is cli only and x server is not installed at all. i tried editing my sources.list but even then it still does not find the package |
| 07:32.43 | morgonzola | sorry |
| 07:32.54 | morgonzola | ii am trying to install xorg |
| 07:32.57 | morgonzola | on it |
| 07:33.03 | morgonzola | badly worded question |
| 07:33.21 | morgonzola | i put deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 07:33.38 | morgonzola | into my sources.list |
| 07:34.14 | morgonzola | and then did apt-get install xorg_7.3+20_powerpc.deb |
| 07:34.22 | morgonzola | and it cant find the package |
| 07:34.38 | mazzanet | you don't use apt-get on .deb's |
| 07:34.39 | morgonzola | am i doing anything incorrectly? |
| 07:34.45 | mazzanet | `apt-get install xorg` |
| 07:35.14 | mazzanet | use `dpkg -i` for .deb's |
| 07:35.20 | morgonzola | ah ok |
| 07:35.36 | morgonzola | but when i typed in what you suggested |
| 07:35.50 | mazzanet | you may also have to do a `apt-get update` |
| 07:35.51 | morgonzola | it said E: couldn't find package xorg |
| 07:35.59 | mazzanet | to fetch the package lists |
| 07:37.06 | morgonzola | ok i did that |
| 07:37.12 | morgonzola | but still the same error message |
| 07:37.35 | mazzanet | try xserver-xorg |
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| 07:39.00 | morgonzola | package xserver-xorg has no instalation candidate |
| 07:39.05 | morgonzola | is what is says |
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| 07:39.35 | GinTonic | would some buddy give me testing sources ? |
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| 07:41.19 | Tobias| | replace lenny/squeeze with sid in your sources.list? |
| 07:41.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, testing |
| 07:41.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 07:42.26 | streuner_ | dpkg, sources.list |
| 07:42.26 | morgonzola | wait i think i found the problem |
| 07:42.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:42.34 | morgonzola | my router is disconected |
| 07:42.45 | morgonzola | taht would probably explain why its not finding the packages |
| 07:42.47 | morgonzola | hahaha |
| 07:42.52 | morgonzola | sorry guys |
| 07:43.01 | morgonzola | but thank you for the help |
| 07:43.32 | morgonzola | *other router |
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| 07:52.40 | Chris`D | I'm looking at downloading/installing Debian, I'm currently at the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/bt-dvd/ page |
| 07:52.51 | Chris`D | do I actually need to download all 5 images? |
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| 07:56.10 | Arrowmaster | no you only need the first one |
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| 08:06.23 | freagg | greetings ppl, im trying to set up software raid 5 with 4 500gb drives, and after raid is fully set up, write performance is very low, mb soeone can give any advise? |
| 08:07.02 | xk | raid5 is crap for write performance. |
| 08:07.22 | xk | and software raid5 even more so |
| 08:07.24 | freagg | i know |
| 08:07.33 | xk | how low is low? |
| 08:07.51 | freagg | but 5mb/s write seems kinda weird on dual xeon 22gb ram server... |
| 08:07.53 | xk | did you set the striping when you formatted the fs? |
| 08:08.34 | freagg | striping is the stride option? |
| 08:08.35 | rozie | freagg: what is "very low", what controller, what drives |
| 08:08.54 | xk | freagg: yes |
| 08:08.56 | rozie | how did you set writeback option |
| 08:09.08 | folivora | I can say that some disks are sucky when use in raid.... |
| 08:09.18 | rozie | and did controller finish to set up array? |
| 08:09.38 | folivora | With good HW-Raid raid-5 has "ok" performance |
| 08:09.40 | freagg | very low: dd show 5mb per second write and 280 mb per second read on 12gb file |
| 08:09.55 | xk | hmmm what else. |
| 08:10.13 | freagg | no raid controler it has broken w8 4 replacemnt 2 weeks... |
| 08:10.20 | freagg | raid set up with mdadm |
| 08:10.24 | freagg | software raid |
| 08:10.34 | rozie | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 08:10.36 | xk | 4 KB sectors or 512 b sectors? |
| 08:10.52 | freagg | rozie, how to set writeback? |
| 08:10.58 | xk | or does that only apply for 1TB+ drives? |
| 08:11.03 | xk | journal=writeback |
| 08:11.11 | rozie | freagg: it's for hardware, mainly |
| 08:11.55 | xk | freagg: whats the drive model |
| 08:12.14 | freagg | tried 2 configs with 512k chunk and 128 stride and 8K chunk 2 stride |
| 08:12.24 | freagg | both same speed |
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| 08:12.51 | freagg | btw half year ago tried on same server software raid as test performnce was ok |
| 08:12.59 | freagg | seagate constelation |
| 08:13.13 | freagg | 32 mb cache |
| 08:13.21 | freagg | w8 no 16 mb! |
| 08:14.58 | freagg | about writeback, u think its so critical in performance? |
| 08:16.57 | xk | hmm |
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| 08:17.31 | freagg | kernel version is 2.6.36 |
| 08:17.51 | freagg | mdadm version is fresh to |
| 08:17.59 | xk | cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 08:21.10 | freagg | i googled about some troubles with superblock in previous versions of mdadm, but i dont know how to overwrite last |
| 08:21.11 | freagg | Personalities : [linear] [raid0] [raid1] [raid10] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] |
| 08:21.11 | freagg | md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdf[4](S) sde[2] sdd[1] sdb[0] |
| 08:21.11 | freagg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.57 | xk | one of the disks is off the array? |
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| 08:22.52 | nirazio | Is it possible to change sudo timeout?? |
| 08:22.53 | freagg | no sdf is marked as spare |
| 08:22.54 | xk | hmm... looks like mdadm does that by default. |
| 08:23.18 | freagg | all disks is on line |
| 08:23.29 | xk | "When creating a RAID5 array, mdadm will automatically create a degraded array with an extra spare drive. This is because building the spare into a degraded array is in general faster than resyncing the parity on a non-degraded, but not clean, array. This feature can be overridden with the --force option. |
| 08:24.40 | freagg | y i fixed it in the pas simply by readding hhd to array |
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| 08:25.35 | xk | mke2fs -b 4096 -j -E stride=32,stripe-width=96 -v -L raid5 /dev/md0 |
| 08:25.35 | xk | try that |
| 08:27.03 | freagg | i will, but looks like there's no chance to benchmark before rebuild |
| 08:27.08 | freagg | 4 hours) |
| 08:27.16 | xk | ^^ chunk size of 128 KB |
| 08:27.22 | xk | http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html |
| 08:27.48 | freagg | yy i googled that link yesterday |
| 08:28.00 | freagg | and a few more tons of info) |
| 08:28.14 | freagg | everything should work but ot doesnt) |
| 08:28.25 | freagg | btw how can i fully clean the drive |
| 08:28.30 | Arrowmaster | if you use lvm though it can screw up the alinement =( |
| 08:28.37 | freagg | no lvm |
| 08:28.44 | Arrowmaster | just found out my 8 drive array is misaligned |
| 08:29.38 | freagg | will filling the drives with /dev/zero clean the superblocks? |
| 08:30.25 | Arrowmaster | and im guessing its impossible to realign my array |
| 08:30.32 | freagg | why? |
| 08:30.43 | freagg | with mdadm there's an option |
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| 08:30.54 | Arrowmaster | mines a hardware raid |
| 08:30.55 | xk | freagg: mdadm --zero-superblock |
| 08:31.00 | freagg | when u reassemble u can set alignment |
| 08:31.07 | freagg | oh |
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| 08:31.20 | freagg | Arrowmaster, sad |
| 08:31.36 | freagg | tried |
| 08:31.40 | freagg | mdadm --zero-superblock |
| 08:31.42 | freagg | tat |
| 08:31.43 | Arrowmaster | and its off because the lvm2 metadata is taking up 196K instead of 256K |
| 08:31.45 | freagg | *that |
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| 08:32.57 | freagg | thanks alot, xk! |
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| 08:40.15 | colo-work | hi there |
| 08:40.44 | colo-work | is there a Debian/apt repo for CPAN packages for the amd64 architecture somewhere on the net? |
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| 08:43.53 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia |
| 08:43.59 | Chris`D | In a Win7 and Debian dual boot, a fully formatted drive, is it best to have Debian installed before Win7 or after? as far as GRUB |
| 08:45.20 | Chris`D | I have a 1 TB drive, I currently have the drive cut into 2 partitions; Win7 and "Data". I'd like to fit Debian into the mix so I can get some Linux exposure |
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| 08:45.46 | krion | Chris`D: after |
| 08:45.59 | kwork | Chris`D, first win then grub |
| 08:46.09 | kwork | linux is windows aware, windows isnt linux aware |
| 08:46.20 | krion | windows isn't aware at all |
| 08:46.24 | Chris`D | Ah, that's what I was thinking. |
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| 08:56.44 | Chris`D | alright, one last question before I go to bed... Debian comes standard with GNOME, or so it looks anyway. Is KDE a option at all during or after install? |
| 08:57.02 | sima | Hello guys |
| 08:57.11 | sima | help my plz |
| 08:57.53 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:58.00 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 08:58.06 | lenswipe | where should i put a new installation of jdk ? |
| 08:58.13 | lenswipe | specifically jdk6 |
| 08:58.21 | sima | help my configure MyDNS on Debian |
| 08:58.28 | jelly-home | !tell Chris`D about install kde |
| 08:58.48 | lenswipe | jelly-home, do you know where JDK goes on debian? |
| 08:58.51 | lenswipe | im installing JDK6 |
| 08:59.12 | sima | I need two ns-servers,ns1.site.org and ns2.site.org on my VPS |
| 08:59.31 | sima | I read manual vis bind9 |
| 08:59.37 | sima | on debian |
| 08:59.58 | Chris`D | jelly-home, very nice. I seen a mention of KDE CD, it doesn't appear to be a option now tho =( |
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| 09:00.23 | sima | help myplz |
| 09:01.15 | sima | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.16 | sima | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.16 | sima | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.32 | sima | and i have ISPconfig 3 panel |
| 09:01.38 | lenswipe | sima, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=configuring+DNS+on+debian |
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| 09:02.33 | sima | lenswipe, all manuals for BIND |
| 09:02.46 | sima | i need manual for MYDNS |
| 09:02.50 | jelly-home | Chris`D: it's there for Debian stable. If you have an internet connection, you just need the netinst image. |
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| 09:02.58 | lenswipe | sima, why did you install MyDNS if there are no manuals for it |
| 09:03.00 | sima | vith hosting-panel ISPconfig |
| 09:03.03 | lenswipe | sima, maybe you should use BIND |
| 09:03.06 | lenswipe | its probably better anyway |
| 09:03.21 | sima | bind with ISPconfig? |
| 09:03.24 | sima | how? |
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| 09:04.14 | sima | If there was all so easily, I wouldn't ask ;) |
| 09:04.46 | Bushmills | bind *has* manuals |
| 09:05.18 | sima | with ISPconfig? |
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| 09:05.53 | Dewi | sima: we don't support ispconfig in here |
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| 09:06.06 | Bushmills | ,versions ispconfig |
| 09:06.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ispconfig' was found in i386. |
| 09:06.09 | sima | ISP config have default DNS package MyDNS,and it configure to work with this package. |
| 09:06.20 | sima | aaaaaaaaa |
| 09:06.21 | Bushmills | ah. solved then |
| 09:06.25 | lenswipe | sima, why are you using ISP Config/ |
| 09:06.27 | lenswipe | sima, what is it? |
| 09:06.36 | sima | It's hosting panel |
| 09:06.42 | lenswipe | why not use CPanel or webmin |
| 09:06.46 | lenswipe | both of those support BIND |
| 09:06.49 | sima | Open Source hosting panel |
| 09:06.57 | lenswipe | Webmin is open source i belive |
| 09:07.01 | lenswipe | or at least free |
| 09:07.10 | Dewi | lenswipe: removed from debian for sucking tho |
| 09:07.16 | sima | Webmin - panel for configurate server |
| 09:07.20 | Bushmills | webmin was sponsored by Caldera |
| 09:07.20 | lenswipe | Dewi, it works fine for me |
| 09:07.27 | sima | I need hosting panel |
| 09:07.35 | lenswipe | sima, yeah, webmin has "Usermin" |
| 09:07.36 | lenswipe | :) |
| 09:07.41 | lenswipe | along with Virtualmin |
| 09:08.34 | lenswipe | sima, either way, i suggest you ask it the appropriate support channels for ISP Config or find a hosting panel that uses a DNS service that people have actually heard of |
| 09:09.10 | Dewi | sima: choose a control panel that supports your distro, too |
| 09:09.29 | sima | Give me money,I choose Cpanel. |
| 09:09.34 | Dewi | :) |
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| 09:09.42 | sima | I special find free panels. |
| 09:10.00 | sima | FOr up my skill in this category. |
| 09:10.16 | Dewi | well webmin is fairly popular, but not popular on this channel |
| 09:10.33 | Dewi | it's mainly for redhat, but they do provide a debian package, so it might work pretty well for you |
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| 09:11.03 | lenswipe | guys i just installed jdk6 but netbeans is winging that i havent |
| 09:11.04 | sima | I have webmin |
| 09:11.07 | lenswipe | anyone got any suggestions? |
| 09:11.18 | lenswipe | Dewi, its working ok for me |
| 09:11.25 | Dewi | lenswipe: ls -l /etc/alternatives/java |
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| 09:11.40 | sima | There there are no functions necessary to me |
| 09:11.45 | xixor | howdy y'all! |
| 09:11.53 | lenswipe | Dewi, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2010-12-22 09:10 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java |
| 09:12.01 | Dewi | lenswipe: hmm check javac |
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| 09:12.15 | lenswipe | ?? |
| 09:12.21 | Dewi | lenswipe: ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac |
| 09:12.42 | lenswipe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2010-12-22 09:10 /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javac |
| 09:13.03 | xixor | so, stupid question: do I just create a new file in /etc/apache2/sites-available for each virtual host? |
| 09:13.06 | lenswipe | i get "Glassfish Gem Requires JDK6 |
| 09:13.18 | lenswipe | which is bullshit because i have JDK6 installed as you can see |
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| 09:14.26 | sima | ISP config don't have IRC channel :( |
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| 09:14.40 | lenswipe | sima, bad choice of hosting panel then? |
| 09:14.50 | Bushmills | sima: start one |
| 09:14.52 | Dewi | lenswipe: maybe change your runtime from openjdk to sun |
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| 09:15.08 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
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| 09:15.40 | sima | lenswipe, no,good choise ^_^ |
| 09:15.45 | Dewi | lenswipe: ie you are currently using the sun JDK but a non-sun JRE. |
| 09:15.53 | sima | Bushmills, bad idea ( |
| 09:16.03 | lenswipe | sima, "Ive chosen a hosting panel that has a crap DNS module and no support" and that seems like a good choice does it? |
| 09:16.07 | lenswipe | ...i guess it takes all sorts to make a world. |
| 09:16.16 | lenswipe | Dewi, yeah i know, but idk how to change my runtime |
| 09:16.16 | Bushmills | sima: besides, one can set up name servers perfectly well by editing configuration and zone files without using a web administration frontend |
| 09:16.23 | lenswipe | Dewi, whats the command to change runtime? |
| 09:16.26 | lenswipe | oh wait |
| 09:16.28 | lenswipe | yeah. |
| 09:16.34 | Dewi | lenswipe: install it and then update-alternatives something |
| 09:16.47 | Bushmills | the tool would be an interactive configuration frontend, commonly called an "editor" |
| 09:16.48 | Dewi | lenswipe: looking up details... my packager is being slow :P |
| 09:16.50 | lenswipe | Dewi, i have it installed |
| 09:16.58 | sima | Bushmills, and? |
| 09:17.02 | lenswipe | Dewi, maybe i need to uninstall the other one? |
| 09:17.04 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
| 09:17.14 | ov3rmind | hii... |
| 09:17.33 | Dewi | !update-alternatives |
| 09:17.33 | dpkg | update-alternatives is probably a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. |
| 09:17.39 | Bushmills | sima: "and..." that breaks the dependency of one particular configration aiding interface |
| 09:17.52 | Dewi | lenswipe: I think it's 'sudo update-alternatives-java' and it should ask you which to make default |
| 09:18.05 | lenswipe | ok |
| 09:18.15 | lenswipe | sudo: update-alternatives-java: command not found |
| 09:18.16 | sima | oh |
| 09:18.22 | Dewi | lenswipe: sorry, space before java |
| 09:18.24 | lenswipe | ah ok |
| 09:18.36 | Bushmills | besides, editors are commonly agnostic of the application they are used for to configure. |
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| 09:19.04 | lenswipe | update-alternatives: unknown argument `java' |
| 09:19.06 | Dewi | lenswipe: update-alternatives --config java |
| 09:19.15 | lenswipe | ty |
| 09:20.00 | lenswipe | Dewi, still getting that damn error |
| 09:20.01 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 09:20.15 | sima | fuck,all manuals to installation MyDNS to other platforms ( |
| 09:20.18 | Dewi | lenswipe: damn. |
| 09:20.31 | lenswipe | Dewi, ikr |
| 09:20.33 | Dewi | lenswipe: you should be able to run netbeans without glassfish btw |
| 09:20.45 | Dewi | lenswipe: but I don't know how. :) glassfish is just the app server bundled with it |
| 09:21.11 | Dewi | lenswipe: I've had problems with it too |
| 09:21.20 | lenswipe | i can run netbeans without glassfish and use the alternate webserver if i have to, but i dont want to incase i get any kind of weird behavour |
| 09:21.25 | lenswipe | http://imagebin.org/129058 |
| 09:21.27 | lenswipe | thats the error look |
| 09:21.40 | Bushmills | there doesn't seem to exist any debian package which provides update-alternatives-java |
| 09:21.42 | Dewi | oh right |
| 09:21.54 | Dewi | lenswipe: there's a jdk selection within netbeans |
| 09:22.01 | lenswipe | Dewi, orlY/ |
| 09:22.05 | Dewi | Bushmills: yeah was just a typo |
| 09:22.06 | lenswipe | ill take a look at that |
| 09:22.11 | lenswipe | Dewi, do you love netbeans then? |
| 09:22.14 | lenswipe | like i do |
| 09:22.31 | Dewi | lenswipe: I do prefer it, but I haven't used it much lately. I'm a .NET developer primarily |
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| 09:22.52 | Dewi | lenswipe: actually if I did more java I would definitely buy intelliJ; those guys are awesome |
| 09:23.01 | lenswipe | iiieeeewwww |
| 09:23.03 | lenswipe | .NET |
| 09:23.13 | lenswipe | sorry, i just did VB in high school |
| 09:23.17 | lenswipe | hated it |
| 09:23.24 | lenswipe | nyway i dont use netbeans for Java |
| 09:23.28 | lenswipe | i use it for PHP at the moment |
| 09:23.36 | lenswipe | but im gonna do ruby with it(as you probly guessed :p) |
| 09:23.42 | Dewi | nods |
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| 09:24.05 | Dewi | yeah the PHP support seemed okay, but usually I just use vim with PHP |
| 09:24.22 | Dewi | I'll probably try it when I try ruby |
| 09:25.41 | lenswipe | its pretty cool with Python too |
| 09:25.57 | lenswipe | the other people in my class were screwing around with IDLE and all its quirks |
| 09:26.07 | lenswipe | i was just sitting with Netbeans open and it saves me loads of time |
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| 09:26.15 | lenswipe | they have to type all the class and method names out |
| 09:26.25 | lenswipe | i start typing Ctrl + Space and it completes it for me |
| 09:26.27 | lenswipe | <3 Netbeans |
| 09:26.29 | lenswipe | :D |
| 09:27.08 | Dewi | the free IDEs were terrible when I was at school |
| 09:27.13 | lenswipe | heh |
| 09:27.17 | lenswipe | what did u use? |
| 09:27.32 | Dewi | school had something stupid called kawa |
| 09:27.35 | lenswipe | ah |
| 09:27.40 | lenswipe | damn i have to go out :( |
| 09:27.45 | lenswipe | sorry |
| 09:27.52 | Dewi | I think there was a free sun one before netbeans, or an early netbeans, but it was sloooow and unsstable |
| 09:27.55 | lenswipe | maybe we can continue this conversation earlier |
| 09:28.03 | lenswipe | and yeah earlier netbeans was crap |
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| 09:36.10 | macsim | hi, I try to setup a dhcp failover I configure both server and when I start the primarty I got this : /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 47: primary failover server must have hba or split. |
| 09:36.18 | macsim | I didn't found anything about this any idea ? thanks |
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| 09:38.40 | Maikl27 | hi. when squeeze will be released? |
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| 09:38.51 | macsim | Maikl27, when it's ready ;) |
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| 09:39.17 | Maikl27 | macsim: about end of Decenmer? |
| 09:39.18 | Bushmills | Maikl27: before 2015 |
| 09:39.23 | Maikl27 | :) |
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| 10:02.50 | dutchfish | macsim: your dns server must be properly configured for that (bind9) see /etc/bind and how to setup rndc and failover zone, OR make your dns server split brain |
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| 10:07.34 | macsim | dutchfish, I found my mistakes I forgot the split value ;) thanks anyway |
| 10:07.51 | dutchfish | macsim: ok |
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| 10:36.55 | blue_sky | changed my server sshd to authenticate with pre-sharted keys, not password, also no root logins. When I ssh to the box I cannot su and become root. Is this correct? |
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| 10:37.52 | petemc | blue_sky: one should not affect the other. what happens when you try to su ? |
| 10:38.20 | xixor | yo, so mediawiki gets installed to /var/lib/mediawiki, and contains some settings in /etc/mediawiki including an example configuration for apache2. In all of my virtualhosts, <host>/mediawiki works, the problem is, I can't figure out why, there is no mention of an alias for /var/lib/mediawiki /mediawiki anywhere in /etc/apache2? Is there some where else that apache configs are stored? |
| 10:38.45 | blue_sky | petemc: 'authentication failure' |
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| 10:39.30 | petemc | blue_sky: does your password use any funny characters that might not work in your ssh terminal? |
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| 10:41.37 | blue_sky | petemc: no funny chars, all [A-Za-z0-9], I've just walked to the box and logged in as me, then did su and it worked, just not over ssh. |
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| 10:53.20 | blue_sky | ok, problem is not what it originally seemed. I cannot 'su' at all, I can login as root, when at the machine....oh, hang on. I did something bad yesterday, hmmm.... This is going to take some fixing.... but at least I know what I've done. BBIAB. |
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| 10:56.21 | Milp_main | Hey uuh i would like to benchmark the processing power of a single core of my server that is running debian and then benchmark a single core of my windows computer at home and compare them, does anyone have an idea how i could do that? |
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| 10:57.07 | colo-work | Milp_main, that's difficult, as you're not using the smae OS (and compilers, and libraries, and ...) |
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| 10:58.11 | Milp_main | hmm yeah, it doesnt have to be super accurate though, i am just wondering if my server is better or worse, because the dual core opteron seems to have problems running my srcds while the quadcore phenom didnt have as many problems with that, at least when it comes to complex physics |
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| 10:58.59 | wissem | hi all |
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| 11:06.59 | Milp_main | How do i batch rename a ton of files and folders recursively from upper to lowercase please? The files are super nested within 1000s of folders and contain all sorts of symbols, spaces, numbers and characters |
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| 11:10.56 | Bushmills | # var="FoEbAr;Ble%xL(erb)"; echo "${var,,}" |
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| 11:11.31 | Bushmills | rest is looping through filenames and do what you can see an example for by typing !pe on #bash |
| 11:12.18 | Bushmills | (or using find with -exec to run through the files for you) |
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| 11:14.54 | dummies_freelanc | how configure my slot for chip telephone en debian testing |
| 11:15.01 | dummies_freelanc | i have one netbook lenovo |
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| 11:36.00 | Insayne | Is anyone here who could help me get java up and running ? |
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| 11:38.01 | jelly | Milp_main: find /folder -print0 | xargs -0 rename '$_=lc' |
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| 11:38.26 | Milp_main | hmm jelly let me try that |
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| 11:39.18 | jelly | Milp_main: use rename -n first, before ruining your tree |
| 11:39.56 | Milp_main | huh, why? |
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| 11:40.21 | Milp_main | oh wait, do i have to run it again for every new "level", kind of? |
| 11:40.28 | jelly | no. |
| 11:40.36 | ElDiabolo | I have a very simple /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf , and it is completely ignored. Any hints on how to debug this. |
| 11:40.49 | Milp_main | because i just saw it rename a folder into lower case but the contents were not renamed, they only got renamed when i ran it the second time |
| 11:41.19 | jelly | Milp_main: so, use find to first rename only folders, or to first rename only files |
| 11:42.02 | Milp_main | well i think it worked already, thank you |
| 11:42.36 | Milp_main | no hold on, there some stuff duplicated now, wtf D: |
| 11:42.43 | Milp_main | *is |
| 11:43.32 | Milp_main | how could i make it so it merges the duplicated folders and just overwrites the stuff? |
| 11:44.32 | Milp_main | never mind, fixed it, thank you |
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| 11:55.29 | sedulous | which VNC server would you recommend for low bandwidth connections? is TigerVNC any good? |
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| 11:57.41 | po4 | hi |
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| 12:01.50 | po4 | ive been trying out a few versions linux now for the last five days. and have been trying to install den5 on a p4 and a p2. does the samba share thing. require minimum hardware requirements? |
| 12:02.46 | po4 | i did exactly the same thing through both installs. the p4 share works. when i try to share on the p2. it says in need to install samba. |
| 12:03.48 | po4 | with both installs. i inlcuded fileserver in the component section. |
| 12:04.04 | po4 | how might i start up the samba on the p2? |
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| 12:05.19 | po4 | or is it a case that the samba won't work on a p2? any help much apreciated. |
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| 12:05.25 | syn4pse | '/etc/init.d/samba restart' |
| 12:06.05 | po4 | hi and thanks syn4pse. ooo that sounds tricky. |
| 12:06.28 | po4 | i have just spent like 9 hrs trying to get it going on the p2. |
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| 12:06.42 | po4 | and i am 100%new with linux and debian. |
| 12:06.51 | po4 | where do i go to do that? |
| 12:07.59 | po4 | is it a file in computer? |
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| 12:10.12 | syn4pse | po4 you want to share between linux hosts ? |
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| 12:10.18 | syn4pse | or share linux for windows users? |
| 12:10.36 | po4 | i fold it in the folder. |
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| 12:10.57 | po4 | between linux and windows machines. |
| 12:11.08 | syn4pse | check your query ;) |
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| 12:12.17 | zealiod | I'm using sfdisk /dev/sda -d t look at my partition table and can see an error "sector 31455270" does not have an msdos signature - is this critical? Can it be fixed? |
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| 12:29.05 | sekon | Hello |
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| 12:29.12 | sekon | which package contains /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmisc |
| 12:29.18 | sekon | sorry |
| 12:29.29 | sekon | which package contains -lmisc |
| 12:29.48 | sekon | the only refernces i find are in |
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| 12:30.44 | bliss_ | I have leeny 64 bit server installed I found this howto although its for ubuntu is there any reason why it may not work on debian lenny http://nerdoftherings.net/wp/?p=90 |
| 12:30.47 | ElDiabolo | I want users to be able to umount other users usb storage. How do I do that? |
| 12:30.48 | bliss_ | lenny |
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| 12:31.25 | sekon | http://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 12:44.38 | bjorkintosh | is there any reason tab completion would append extraneous single letters in ksh? |
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| 12:48.55 | bjorkintosh | set -o emacs :) |
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| 12:50.29 | blenderer | apt and aptitude often suggest packages, that I want to install. How do I tell apt to just install all those? |
| 12:50.37 | blenderer | from the shell just once |
| 12:51.27 | Oleg | apt-get -f install? |
| 12:51.41 | Oleg | or does that install those without caring about the other needed ones? |
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| 12:52.31 | blenderer | that's what I thought that flag did |
| 12:52.55 | blenderer | no it's fix broken |
| 12:53.09 | blenderer | either way it's not what I'm loking for :) |
| 12:53.49 | blenderer | I want to install a few packages. It's suggesting the documentation for them. |
| 12:53.52 | Oleg | sorry, that's the first thing that came to mind because I just had to use it, apt-get said too, and I didn't bother reading what it does, just did myself |
| 12:54.04 | blenderer | I want to install all suggestions in this particular case |
| 12:54.20 | Oleg | I usually just sit there and look through the output and type it in manually, "I'm hourly" |
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| 12:55.08 | blenderer | Heh |
| 12:55.20 | blenderer | I'll at worst have to copy and paste 6 lines |
| 12:55.34 | blenderer | not type |
| 12:56.21 | X-Raimo | hello. I'm running 64-bit debian. I've installed LTSP. At 64-bit this works well, but 32-bit have kernel panic. How to fix or how to install 32-bit packages in LTSP? |
| 12:56.43 | Oleg | that could work, but I generally have things in my clipboard that I'm using already and dont' want to bother re-entering it |
| 12:57.25 | po4 | is there virtual machine software for debian 5? |
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| 12:58.17 | Oleg | virtualbox? |
| 12:58.20 | Oleg | qemu? |
| 12:58.24 | Oleg | vmware? |
| 12:58.32 | po4 | oh thanks. |
| 12:58.43 | Oleg | is that what you're looking for or something else? |
| 12:59.09 | po4 | is virtualbox the same as the one available on windows. |
| 12:59.13 | po4 | well. |
| 12:59.13 | Oleg | yup |
| 12:59.23 | po4 | i am new to linux |
| 12:59.31 | po4 | i have 3 machines. |
| 12:59.34 | Oleg | ah, welcome |
| 12:59.38 | po4 | 1 p4 desktop |
| 12:59.42 | po4 | 1 p4 lappy |
| 12:59.58 | po4 | and a p2 200Mhz 128 mb ram. |
| 13:00.18 | blenderer | i need to know how much ram your other two machines have |
| 13:00.29 | Oleg | lol blenderer |
| 13:00.29 | po4 | i some how got an ubutunu 10.1.1 live cd and liked it. |
| 13:00.46 | Oleg | po4, turn that p2 into a small firewall/router |
| 13:00.49 | po4 | DT 500mb. lappy 1GB |
| 13:01.28 | po4 | oh. thanks oleg. i was wanting to turn it into a filesever/storage machine. |
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| 13:01.42 | po4 | and as for the VMware question. |
| 13:02.01 | Oleg | po4, http://freenas.org/FreeNAS |
| 13:02.05 | po4 | well i thought id set up linux on the p4 desktop |
| 13:02.36 | po4 | i did download that iso oleg. i couldn't work it out, |
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| 13:03.14 | po4 | when i first tried linux it was the ubutuntu10.1.1 live and everything was pretty much ready to go. |
| 13:03.21 | po4 | but it did work on the p2. |
| 13:03.34 | po4 | i download ubuntu5. it works. |
| 13:03.46 | po4 | but i thought id try a few others. |
| 13:04.20 | po4 | ive had a look at puppy. DSL. debian5. and ubuntu 5 and 10 |
| 13:04.57 | po4 | at first all i want to achieve is a linux machine to work and learn from. and a linx file server. |
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| 13:05.42 | po4 | as quick and easy as possible. but will really get into the linux and free software, scene. |
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| 13:07.10 | ethanol | is my filesystem characterset determined by locale? |
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| 13:07.46 | colo-work | your filesystem does not necessarily have a charset. |
| 13:08.10 | ethanol | hrm |
| 13:08.16 | colo-work | Linux does not enforce any particular encoding at the VFS layer. the rules, in a nutshell, are: no slashes, no NUL |
| 13:08.31 | ethanol | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-options.html#option_mysqld_character-set-filesystem then I dunno what this one references, I will try #mysql :< |
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| 13:17.26 | po4 | oleg. do you know if Virtual Box will install straight onto a fresh install of D5? or will i need to down load updates or other packages? |
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| 13:18.36 | colo-work | don't they offer a debian repo? |
| 13:19.04 | po4 | i don't know. im new to linix? |
| 13:19.35 | kwork | po4, http://packages.debian.org |
| 13:19.57 | po4 | Okay thanks kwork. |
| 13:20.03 | po4 | i shall go look : ) |
| 13:20.06 | po4 | Be Right Back |
| 13:20.25 | centaurus | po4: vbox run debian5 with no problems (including X11) |
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| 13:21.06 | colo-work | po4, adding "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free" to your sources.list should make vbox available for your installation. mind you that PUEL is a non-free license. |
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| 13:21.40 | po4 | Wow. thanks centaurus. thats great. i think it will help lerning be a lot easier. setting them up on Vmachines. |
| 13:21.59 | colo-work | here's the official docs: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 13:22.16 | po4 | Okay. well im booing up the p4. |
| 13:22.25 | po4 | it has a fresh install of d5. |
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| 13:28.29 | po4 | i went to the packages.org site. and found the virtualbox list. which version would i click on? the first one? |
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| 13:30.02 | colo-work | po4, http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-in-Debian-Linux |
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| 13:32.20 | pozic | How can I get a Dell 3115 to work on Debian? |
| 13:32.24 | po4 | thanks colo-work. |
| 13:33.24 | blenderer | po4: that's a rather specific question you are unlikely to get an answer to |
| 13:33.35 | blenderer | po4: any specific problem you are having? |
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| 13:33.55 | blenderer | po4: doh sorry |
| 13:34.07 | blenderer | po4: meant to address pozic |
| 13:34.35 | blenderer | pozic: can you be more specific about the problem you are having? |
| 13:34.38 | po4 | no probs. things are still way over my head anyway : ) |
| 13:35.16 | pozic | blenderer: ok, in the cups configuration, it asks me for a Device. I can see a number of options, but I don't understand why all this configuration is not done automatically. |
| 13:35.40 | pozic | blenderer: e.g. I can pick ipp or http. |
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| 13:37.04 | pozic | blenderer: currently it is connected via the parallel port. It also has room for an UTP cable, but that's not connected and Windows also didn't need that. |
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| 13:37.37 | pozic | blenderer: parport0: Printer, Dell MFP Laser 3115cn |
| 13:38.15 | pozic | So, it's detected. I don't see the problem with automatically configuring the printer such that when someone presses Print in some application to have it actually print something. |
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| 13:39.30 | blenderer | pozic: I'm not too familiar with cups. but if you are connected via parallel port you probably would not being using http or ipp |
| 13:39.47 | pozic | blenderer: yes, I know that, but there is a list, but there is no parallel port option. |
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| 13:41.02 | pozic | blenderer: IMHO, it should simply pick a sane option based on whatever is detected. dmesg shows that on the parallel port there is a device. It should say "Hi user, we noticed that a new device has been installed. We have automatically configured it for you. Can you verify these settings?." |
| 13:41.12 | pozic | Why can |
| 13:41.15 | pozic | 't it do that? |
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| 13:41.54 | pozic | The first hit on Google gives a driverscollection.com which could be a site distributing trojans. |
| 13:42.49 | blenderer | no idea. perhaps one of the more "user friendly" distros like ubuntu do something like that. |
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| 13:43.10 | pozic | blenderer: they don't. |
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| 13:43.42 | pozic | blenderer: and there is no need to put user friendly in quotes; nobody likes hunting down drivers. |
| 13:44.31 | blenderer | well if it's a matter of missing drivers it would probably be a licensing issue |
| 13:45.00 | po4 | can i just downloaad the Vbox software from packages.org? if so what do i use to open/install it? |
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| 13:45.27 | blenderer | i have no idea if said distros are more user friendly, they tend to get in my way, hence the quotes. not saying anything about your specific issue |
| 13:46.59 | syn4pse | blenderer you can watch many distro reviews on youtube and then make your decision. I can recommend you Linux Mint for starters its very user friendly |
| 13:47.17 | syn4pse | for servers id use debian ;) |
| 13:47.23 | pozic | syn4pse: he was not the one asking a question. |
| 13:47.45 | syn4pse | oh just connected to my bnc ;) |
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| 13:49.33 | pozic | It is also supposed to be a "network printer". Does that mean they use a standard protocol? |
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| 13:50.18 | pozic | Maybe I should just read the complete specs, but it would be nice if one could you know have it just work without caring for details. |
| 13:50.22 | colo-work | pozic, you're asking in #debian what you should probably be asking Dell :) |
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| 13:50.35 | colo-work | pozic, have you checked linuxprinting.org yet? |
| 13:50.46 | colo-work | it features a comprehensive archive of printers |
| 13:50.53 | colo-work | and instructions on how to get them to work with cups |
| 13:51.41 | blenderer | pozic: i'm setting up cups and seem to have the choice of "local printer" with ltp1 and so on. |
| 13:51.53 | blenderer | *lpt |
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| 13:57.21 | pozic | colo-work: yes, nowadays that's called openprinting. |
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| 13:59.06 | pozic | blenderer: I don't. |
| 13:59.06 | blenderer | have you tried using the utp and praying to perens? |
| 13:59.38 | pozic | blenderer: no, but that's practically not very easy now. |
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| 13:59.54 | pozic | blenderer: long distance and the thing is rather large. |
| 14:00.01 | rpgdude | im having trouble getting my radeonhd card working in squeeze |
| 14:00.13 | rpgdude | glxinfo reports software rasterizer |
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| 14:01.02 | pozic | blenderer: is it anywhere documented what these printers expect and which information they send? |
| 14:01.28 | pozic | blenderer: in my experience CUPS has never worked the first time, so maybe they just require some competition. |
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| 14:03.06 | blenderer | pozic: you mean at the byte level? |
| 14:03.41 | pozic | blenderer: yes |
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| 14:04.37 | rpgdude | dmesg said it was unable to load firmware for rv630_pfp |
| 14:04.52 | pozic | rpgdude: it didn |
| 14:04.56 | pozic | rpgdude: it didn't say why? |
| 14:05.30 | pozic | rpgdude: you should send a message to the maintainers of that piece of software demanding for them to put a real reason for failure in the code. |
| 14:05.30 | po4 | hey thanks for ya help everybody. im putting it in the too hard basket for now. maybe things might become a little clearer after a few pipes. |
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| 14:05.56 | pozic | Windows errors like "Error 20304" are the reason I switched to Linux. |
| 14:06.04 | rpgdude | i think i figured it out |
| 14:06.19 | rpgdude | i think i need to install firmware-linux-free package |
| 14:07.16 | rpgdude | ok gonna restart X |
| 14:07.23 | OutOfLine | how can i send binary data (*.tgz) by mail from a script? |
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| 14:08.47 | blenderer | OutOfLine: mailx has an attach file flag |
| 14:09.08 | OutOfLine | just read the man, didn't see that... |
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| 14:11.57 | rpgdude | nope, looks like i need non-free firmware after all |
| 14:12.00 | rpgdude | damn |
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| 14:13.39 | blendere1 | my internet connection is as flaky as my scalp |
| 14:14.02 | po4 | thanks again peoples/ have a good one. |
| 14:14.04 | po4 | bye |
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| 14:15.00 | OutOfLine | blendere1: I already had consulted man mailx, but did not see a file attach flag |
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| 14:15.36 | blendere1 | OutOfLine: there is a "-a" mentioned near the top of my main page |
| 14:16.05 | tux0 | OutOfLine: you can use shar, unshar, uuencode, and uudecode for this |
| 14:16.20 | blendere1 | pozic: in the old days you could just cat a file to the device and it would print |
| 14:16.32 | blendere1 | pozic: not sure if that's true anymore with modern printers |
| 14:16.56 | rpgdude | and it works awesome |
| 14:16.59 | OutOfLine | blendere1: -a Specify additional header fields on the command line... |
| 14:17.22 | rpgdude | now i need to figure out the mess that is pulseaudio |
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| 14:17.40 | po4 | hey room. back again. |
| 14:17.42 | blendere1 | OutOfLine: my mailx must be provided by a different package.. |
| 14:18.06 | po4 | i know this might not be the right room to ask. |
| 14:18.16 | po4 | but you all seem like a knowledgable bunch. |
| 14:19.20 | blendere1 | OutOfLine: I'm using heirloom-mailx |
| 14:19.26 | OutOfLine | blendere1: i once had the script with the -a option, now things seem to have changed |
| 14:20.16 | blendere1 | there are all kinds of different versions of these basic unix tools and everyone adds their own extensions |
| 14:20.17 | OutOfLine | blendere1: will try that, thanks |
| 14:21.05 | OutOfLine | tux0: thank you for answering my next question before typing it in ;) |
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| 14:21.58 | po4 | oh never mind. byeee : ) and merry christmas : ) |
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| 14:23.09 | OutOfLine | blendere1: no thinking about it, i'd rather not depend on a specific mail implementation, now that i have seen what can happen if i do |
| 14:24.40 | blendere1 | share |
| 14:24.51 | blendere1 | wrong window sorry |
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| 14:27.22 | kukosk | hello, how do i install a .cer certificate so the server can use it ? |
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| 14:29.00 | stew | kukosk: they typically don't require any installation other than putting it on the machine somewhere and pointing a config at it |
| 14:29.53 | kukosk | i found some certificates in /etc/ssl/certs, but all of them are .pem ⦠and the one i have is .cer |
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| 14:30.51 | colo-work | you can convert between popular formats |
| 14:30.54 | stew | kukosk: you mean DER? |
| 14:30.58 | colo-work | there's at least one other format that's quite common |
| 14:31.27 | kukosk | stew: not it's .pem not der |
| 14:31.49 | stew | kukosk: the filename doesn't matter as much as the format of the file contents |
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| 14:32.34 | stew | kukosk: what does "file /path/to/foo.cer" say it is? |
| 14:33.05 | kukosk | stew: second ⦠i dont have it on the server now |
| 14:33.07 | kukosk | just a se |
| 14:33.09 | kukosk | sec |
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| 14:35.58 | kukosk | stew: if it helps its a certificate i have to install for my push notifications (iphone) to work ⦠i have to have it to connect to apple APNS. its a 2048bit certificate from entrust⦠and the thins you asked: /entrust_2048_ca.cer: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators |
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| 14:37.51 | kukosk | *the thing you asked |
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| 14:38.09 | DustyDingo | hi |
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| 14:39.20 | djszapi | which package contains the 'killall' cmd on debian ? |
| 14:39.25 | DustyDingo | hm, i want to make an usb stick bootable |
| 14:39.36 | DustyDingo | so i did: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
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| 14:39.58 | DustyDingo | and i got a bootable stick with an installer,... i used the current squeez installer |
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| 14:40.11 | DustyDingo | but which iso image to use now? |
| 14:40.15 | llutz | djszapi: psmisc |
| 14:40.24 | kukosk | stew: no idea ? |
| 14:40.42 | tux0 | djszapi: dpkg -S $(which killall) |
| 14:40.44 | djszapi | llutz: not by me |
| 14:41.12 | djszapi | tux0: dpkg -S $(which killall) |
| 14:41.12 | djszapi | dpkg-query: --search needs at least one file name pattern argument |
| 14:41.16 | djszapi | blablabla... |
| 14:41.29 | tux0 | djszapi: so it is not installed? |
| 14:41.59 | stew | DustyDingo: a squeeze netinst iso or cd1 iso |
| 14:42.05 | djszapi | if it was installed I would not look for it, right ? |
| 14:42.15 | djszapi | anyway, psmisc nope. |
| 14:42.16 | tux0 | djszapi: you can use `apt-file' for this or maybe try `apt-cache search killall' and http://packages.debian.org/ and use the "search package directories" option |
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| 14:43.13 | djszapi | tux0: already tried... |
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| 14:43.40 | tux0 | if you used apt-file did you do apt-file update first before apt-file search killall? |
| 14:44.08 | ciupicri | is there a (sysv rc.d) function for find out what files are opened by a system service? Something that could be run a regular user; as root I know that I can inspect /proc/${PID}/fd or run lsof -p ${PID} |
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| 14:44.56 | tux0 | djszapi: it's in psmisc |
| 14:45.14 | DustyDingo | stew: is there already a squeeze iso? |
| 14:47.14 | djszapi | well then busybox sucks ;) |
| 14:47.24 | djszapi | or scratchbox, but it is another matter. |
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| 14:48.05 | iluminator101 | configuration defaults for gnome power manager not installed correctly??? |
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| 14:48.54 | m3asmi | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon |
| 14:49.00 | m3asmi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.07 | stew | DustyDingo: yes, there always has been |
| 14:52.33 | pozic | Does the name UX filter ring a bell? |
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| 14:54.57 | cusco | hi |
| 14:55.16 | iluminator101 | configuration defaults for gnome power manager not installed correctly??? |
| 14:55.24 | iluminator101 | k problem solved |
| 14:55.30 | iluminator101 | solution: mv ~/.gconfd/saved_state saved_state.old |
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| 14:59.12 | ciupicri | is there a (sysv rc.d) function/command for finding out what files are opened by a system service? I need something that could be run as a regular user; as root I know that I can inspect /proc/${PID}/fd or run lsof -p ${PID} |
| 14:59.44 | colo-work | what about fuser? |
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| 15:01.23 | cusco | one of our servers is one hour forward |
| 15:01.31 | cusco | uct=no in all of our servers |
| 15:01.41 | ciupicri | colo-work, fuser was for me? |
| 15:02.40 | colo-work | yes, ciupicri |
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| 15:05.56 | tux0 | lsof ? |
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| 15:07.36 | ciupicri | colo-work, fuser seems to do the opposite; for a given filename it tells me what process is using it |
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| 15:08.00 | tux0 | ciupicri: lsof |
| 15:08.04 | colo-work | ah, sorry. I read your qustionsb ackwards, I'm afraid |
| 15:08.51 | ciupicri | tux0, lsof doesn't work because of security issues |
| 15:09.16 | colo-work | well, those tools probably don't do much besides scanning /proc themselves, either |
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| 15:09.39 | tux0 | ciupicri: use sudo? |
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| 15:10.31 | ciupicri | tux0, I thought about it too, I forgot to mention it. I was hoping for something more elegant or for rc.d to keep the list of files somewhere in /var... |
| 15:10.37 | ciupicri | just like it does for the pid |
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| 15:11.54 | tux0 | most likely you would need to modify the specific rc.d scripts to create a listing of files opened whena process is started |
| 15:12.44 | tux0 | fix your security issues with sudo you can limit the specific command to a specific user/group |
| 15:13.05 | Bop | anyone uses mailx with foreign smtp to send mails ? |
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| 15:14.08 | colo-work | Bop, with an MTA and smarthost on your side of the fence? sure. |
| 15:14.20 | Bop | dont know why mailx doesnt read my .mailrc settings |
| 15:14.57 | helo | i'm trying to build a variation (qt-embedded) of a package (qt-x11-free) on armel using the build scripts and patches provided for qt-x11-free |
| 15:15.00 | tux0 | ciupicri: if you need very specific control of what resources a user has access to you might want to look into selinux grsecurity or any other system that supports ACL's etc. |
| 15:15.07 | Bop | colo-work, yeah , using mailx on debian , i forcely need to install exim4 MTA |
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| 15:15.54 | pozic | Is it normal that you have to pay Dell to get technical support with one of their broken products? |
| 15:16.00 | Bop | colo-work, my question is , how to you specify a user and password that is different from your system ? |
| 15:16.15 | helo | i need more info about the debian build process... it would be nice if i could just move the relevant debian directories from qt-x11-free.../ into qt-embedded.../ and initiate the debian build process |
| 15:16.16 | colo-work | Bop, I don't think that mailx implements a SMTP client. you'll have to configure yout MTA correctly in order to really make it send mail |
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| 15:16.25 | ciupicri | tux0, that would be way too much for a stupid homework |
| 15:16.49 | ciupicri | but thanks for your help |
| 15:17.13 | Bop | colo-work, u know how to answer what i've asked you ? |
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| 15:18.34 | colo-work | Bop, your question is basically unanswerable, as there are way too many variables to consider :) you probably need your MTA (exim) to be configured to authenticate at a smarthost relay via SASL. Google should be able to answer you how to achive such a setup. |
| 15:19.08 | colo-work | Bop, you could also use a much simplr MTA< like ssmtp. it offers less flexibility, but if you only want to send mail out via a relay, you should probably go for it. |
| 15:19.27 | Bop | ok |
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| 15:20.17 | Bop | my problem right now is the user logged in (xxx) is the user that goes as mail user xxx@gmail.com |
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| 15:21.07 | uwjesd | Hello everyone. Just wanted to say that switching from lenny to squeeze was childsplay. Very good job. |
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| 15:35.15 | tharkun | Bop: Are you using an mta or a nullmailer? |
| 15:35.29 | Bop | now using exim4 MTA |
| 15:35.48 | Bop | bsd mailx wont output nothing, cannot see what 's happening |
| 15:36.46 | tharkun | There is an option on exim that it lets the smarthost rewrite the sender. IIRC dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is the one that eventually displays it |
| 15:37.03 | colo-work | Bop, look into your syslog, mail facility |
| 15:37.09 | Bop | i think i already configured that for gmail |
| 15:37.23 | tharkun | Nice ;P |
| 15:37.27 | Bop | but not i've installed bsd-mailx and i cant see what's happening |
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| 15:37.38 | Bop | no verbose option |
| 15:37.53 | Tekk_ | when I try to use the network manager applet in kde it says that my wireless is unmanaged |
| 15:38.09 | Tekk_ | using squeeze, and I know that wireless works fine on this computer |
| 15:38.13 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: Most common reason for that is that you have defined it in the interfaces file. |
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| 15:38.30 | stew | Tekk_: see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian to see when n-m considers an interface managed or not |
| 15:38.42 | Tekk_ | jhutchins_lt: but it also has issues when I try to use the ifconfig method :/ |
| 15:38.54 | Tekk_ | when I got to dhcp it says that the network is down, when I know it isn't |
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| 15:39.35 | stew | Tekk_: try "ifconfig eth0 up" before dhcp. (substitute wlan0 or eth1 or whatever for eth0" |
| 15:39.52 | mama21mama | 0/ |
| 15:40.19 | Tekk_ | stew: up before dhcp? |
| 15:40.21 | Tekk_ | lemme try |
| 15:40.35 | Tekk_ | well, gonna update first to see if that's it |
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| 15:50.42 | paxed | my google-fu sucks. where do i find help on how to install from usb memstick? |
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| 15:53.58 | stew | paxed: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 15:53.58 | Insayne | Would someone be so kind and help me get java installed ? |
| 15:54.16 | stew | Insayne: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre (or -jdk) |
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| 15:54.38 | Insayne | will try |
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| 15:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 15:54.51 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 15:55.03 | ciupicri | what do I need to install in order to support the vim command filetype ? |
| 15:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | paxed: unetbootin also works from Linux, although we've seen people have trouble with the windows version. |
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| 15:56.32 | Shadow` | ciupicri; aptitude install vim? |
| 15:56.46 | histo | What's the package I need for tab completetion. Like if I type sudo apt-<tab> it won't auto complete |
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| 15:57.34 | Shadow` | histo press tab twice |
| 15:57.34 | stew | histo: bash-completion (assuming you are using bash) |
| 15:57.38 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions bash-completion |
| 15:57.40 | judd | Package bash-completion on i386 -- lenny: 20080705; sid: 1:1.2-3; squeeze: 1:1.2-3 |
| 15:57.40 | Shadow` | ? |
| 15:58.00 | ciupicri | Shadow`, yet the vim command worked |
| 15:58.07 | ciupicri | Shadow`, I'm install vim now; thanks! |
| 15:58.30 | Shadow` | heh, might've been vi? but np :) |
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| 15:59.09 | ciupicri | Shadow`, I had no idea what was behind you, but I typed "vim" at the command line and it didn't complain. |
| 15:59.15 | ciupicri | *behind it |
| 15:59.32 | paxed | stew, jhutchins_lt: thanks. another Q: can the installer reliably resize ntfs partition? |
| 15:59.32 | histo | stew: ty |
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| 15:59.38 | ajikeshi | qustion: does the netinstall images support the TP-Link WN 321G wlan stick? it uses the rt73usb kernel module |
| 15:59.42 | Shadow` | dunno, i prefer nano over vim =p if it doesnt work, try aptitude purge vim && aptitude install vim |
| 15:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | The alternatives system provides a link for vi to whatever version of vim you have installed. |
| 16:00.16 | Tekk_` | alright, still not working |
| 16:00.22 | nirgal | Hello everyone. I have a bash script I want to run suid. This is not supported, so I'm using sudo. But I'm looking for a way to know the user id of the invoker. I don't trust environment var SUDO_USER, as one can fake it. What I need now is to get the saved uid in a function like getresuid. Does anyone know how to get that from bash command? I'd rather keep my package for all architectures, without compiled parts... |
| 16:00.43 | Tekk_` | the commands I'm using for wireless: |
| 16:01.08 | Tekk_` | sudo ifconfig wlan0 down sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid [essid] sudo dhclient -v wlan0 |
| 16:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | paxed: I don't run the installer all that often, and I understand that there are different ones with different capabilities, but the ones I've seen do have that ability, and resizing NTFS has been very reliable in linux installers for years, |
| 16:01.18 | Tekk_` | and it says network is down at dhclient |
| 16:01.22 | Tekk_` | and then gives up |
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| 16:02.33 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_`: iwconfig doesn't provide the up/down capability, that's ip or ifconfig. |
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| 16:03.06 | Tekk_` | jhutchins_lt: which is why I use ifconfig to bring the interface down? |
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| 16:03.25 | Tekk_` | first command was sudo ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 16:04.03 | neurolysis | Hi, does anyone know of a Linux tool that has support for Advanced Format? |
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| 16:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_`: After you supply the ssid and passphrase with iwconfig, verify that it's associated (iwconfig wlan0). |
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| 16:05.09 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_`: You can also use iwlist wlan0 scanning to verify that the hardware is working correctly and that the driver is correct, |
| 16:05.11 | Tekk_` | O.o |
| 16:05.13 | Tekk_` | not associated |
| 16:05.19 | Tekk_` | oh wait |
| 16:05.23 | Tekk_` | essid:"pir8" |
| 16:05.25 | Tekk_` | so that's working |
| 16:06.00 | Tekk_` | the access point was not associated though |
| 16:06.11 | stew | ajikeshi: the driver is included in the installer kernel, but the non-free firmware it requires is not. see /msg dpkg installer firmware ; /msg dpkg rt73usb |
| 16:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_`: Ok, try iwlist scanning and verify that it can see the AP. |
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| 16:07.07 | Tekk_` | yes I can confirm that there's a point with the pir8 essid here |
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| 16:08.36 | eshat | hmmm, network-manger fails to connect to a simple WEP "secured" network while iwconfig works ?! |
| 16:09.05 | stew | eshat: are you perhaps confusing ascii and hex keys? |
| 16:09.07 | ciupicri | Shadow`, now vim works like a charm especially with the vimrc from Fedora :-) |
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| 16:10.00 | Tekk_` | oh yeah and the network is open so that's not a problem jhutchins_lt |
| 16:10.20 | ajikeshi | thanks stew |
| 16:10.29 | stew | Tekk_`: did you try my suggestion of "ifconfig wlan0 up" first? |
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| 16:12.01 | Shadow` | ciupicri, cool :) |
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| 16:12.27 | eshat | stew: no it fails setting the ip adresse (DHCP) |
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| 16:12.44 | Tekk_` | stew: tried one but maybe a different way |
| 16:13.24 | stew | Tekk_`: which way? |
| 16:13.38 | Tekk_` | stew: did up after iwconfig, now doing up at the beginnindg |
| 16:13.43 | Shadow` | how to enable/use shade on windows? |
| 16:13.51 | Tekk_` | which is still a no |
| 16:13.53 | stew | eshat: are you sure it gets successfully associated with the AP? |
| 16:14.20 | nirgal | FYI, "ps --pid $PPID --no-headers -o svuid" does the trick :) |
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| 16:15.02 | eshat | stew: well, the problem occures only with WEP, using WPA2 on the same network fails, and iwconfig works with WEP... |
| 16:15.16 | eshat | s/fails/succeed" |
| 16:16.00 | stew | eshat: when it fails, does it succeed in associating with the AP? |
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| 16:16.54 | eshat | stew: hmmm, I think it does not (according to console output) |
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| 16:17.15 | stew | eshat: is it possible you are confusing ascii keys with hex keys? |
| 16:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_`: Ok, try iwlist scanning and verify that it can see the AP. |
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| 16:19.02 | eshat | stew: I don't think so, since it fails in a very late state (Setting IP...) |
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| 16:19.42 | stew | eshat: no, it fails earlier if you aren't getting associated |
| 16:20.37 | Satpol | hi again :) I already install AC 97 from alsa and realtek driver for Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller, but I can't hear any sound, anyone can help me ? thanks |
| 16:20.39 | eshat | stew: I ll try to enter the HEX key |
| 16:20.43 | eshat | stew: thanks |
| 16:21.13 | Satpol | I can play audio but cant heard the sounds |
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| 16:21.47 | Satpol | ah sorry wrong place ;( |
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| 16:23.22 | jhutchins_lt | Satpol: Remove pulseaudio |
| 16:25.19 | Tekk_` | ping |
| 16:25.29 | wolfric | pong? |
| 16:25.45 | Tekk_` | alright, essid is available, no security, iwlist verifies that the essid is set but dhcp still fails saying the network is down |
| 16:25.45 | ajikeshi | peng! |
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| 16:33.27 | Tekk_` | O.O |
| 16:33.29 | Tekk_` | hwat was that? |
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| 16:35.01 | tharkun | I need to mount a cd but mount complains that special device /dev/scd0 does not exist . Any workarounds? |
| 16:35.13 | Tekk_` | tharkun: use /dev/sr0 |
| 16:37.27 | tharkun | Tekk_`: thx found the real problem. A wrong entry on /etc/fstab |
| 16:38.29 | Tekk_` | ah |
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| 16:39.46 | tharkun | now it complains that the filesystem is not specified and that it can not be mounted. I hate this type of cd's |
| 16:40.12 | Tekk_` | I'll see if a distro that actually has the firmware I need built in will work |
| 16:40.19 | Tekk_` | I can live with a liveCD for this trip |
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| 16:59.47 | Zenox | How can I automatically reconnect the network after loosing internet connection (Debian Squeeze headless server is behind fiber converter and router)? |
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| 17:06.51 | az_ordog_maga | aloha hax0rs |
| 17:07.07 | Fargeee | http://imagetwist.com/e1ubou2tvag6/156897_168406319867731_100000950924332_325446_5758311_n_1_.jpg.html |
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| 17:08.17 | iwkse | Hi, i'm trying to install Tomcat 5.5 on Debian Lenny, Java 6 but there's some problems to start it. It looks like a PATH issue because java.lang.classNotFoundException: org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap |
| 17:08.24 | iwkse | anyone had this? |
| 17:08.35 | iwkse | asked in #tomcat without success |
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| 17:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | Zenox: How/why are you loosing the connection? |
| 17:13.58 | Zenox | jhutchins_lt: The fiber connection goes dead sometimes. And that worthless fibre converter doesn't reconnect automatically. I got to recycle power to the converter and the router to get internet connection again |
| 17:14.21 | Zenox | jhutchins_lt: After that I tried "/etc/init.d/networking restart" without success |
| 17:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think that's something you're going to solve through software. |
| 17:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | Zenox: For a reason I haven't tracked down yet, restarting "networking" no longer actually restarts the network connections, |
| 17:15.12 | Zenox | jhutchins_lt: But the Windows machines are up directly. Restarting the Debian box gets it online again, but that's pretty... |
| 17:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | Zenox: I think you have to rmmod the drivers. |
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| 17:15.54 | Zenox | jhutchins_lt: Ah hmm, could try that instead. |
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| 18:02.45 | jhutchins_lt | i wonder why konversation no longer shows the nic count, Doesn't seem to be a configuration option. |
| 18:03.34 | pthreat | $'\x3a\x28\x29\x7b\x20\x3a\x7c\x3a\x26\x7d\x3b\x3a' |
| 18:04.45 | stew | pthreat: do you have a question? what are you trying to do? |
| 18:05.14 | pthreat | stew: no not at all I just pasted by accident why ? |
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| 18:06.09 | stew | people, please note that pthreat was pasting something potentially malicious, don't just go pasting that anywhere |
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| 18:08.55 | nsadmin | is android development env packaged? |
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| 18:11.04 | stew | !dbugs 459219 |
| 18:11.08 | dpkg | #459219:W[wnpp] RFP: android -- Android SDK (mobile phone platform) (); Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:39:01 UTC [] |
| 18:11.24 | cga | hi al |
| 18:11.24 | cga | all |
| 18:12.23 | nsadmin | so that means it had been orphaned? |
| 18:12.31 | cga | I've just installed acct on my server (an RPS by OVH) and when Debian tries to start it afterwards, it fails and give me this message: Process accounting not available on this system. What can it be? |
| 18:13.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I'll have to paste that everywhere until I figure out what it does! |
| 18:13.18 | stew | nsadmin: no, RFP is "request for packaging". it's never been in debian |
| 18:13.30 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks much |
| 18:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a bash variable escaped in hex |
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| 18:13.53 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: its a forkbomb, you can echo it and it might look familiar |
| 18:14.13 | nsadmin | so it actually is malicious |
| 18:14.18 | stew | nsadmin: but read through the bug, there are some candidate packages |
| 18:14.18 | cga | time for a ban? |
| 18:14.20 | nsadmin | good to know |
| 18:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, it does look familiar |
| 18:14.42 | cga | jaromil forkbomb? |
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| 18:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | which reminds me to set * hard nproc 350 |
| 18:17.29 | nsadmin | stew: here's my situation a bit more specifically... yesterday I got an android phone with android-2.2 (and the phone is upgradable to at least 2.3). so I thought I'd try my hand at writing some apps... a few days ago, some sectors on a 250g drive failed, so found a 2tb for $100, and so now I have plenty of room for whatever... |
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| 18:19.48 | stew | nsadmin: what I have done is to untar android-$version into /opt, symlink /opt/android to /opt-$version (so that /opt/android can always be the latest) then symlink /opt/android/tools/* ~/bin/ so that the tools like 'emulator', 'adb', 'android' are all on my path |
| 18:20.31 | nsadmin | oh you have a phone/making apps too? |
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| 18:30.12 | tech13 | How long does it take for patchs/fixes/flags to effect http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html ? ie: libwww-myspace-perl has been flagged for removal http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=603737 but is still listed in the release-critical list. And is there a better resource to watch for guessing when squeeze will be ready? |
| 18:30.56 | nsadmin | you're trying to win the pool? |
| 18:32.29 | nsadmin | you might be able to write a script that finds all instances of that |
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| 18:33.16 | nsadmin | main.html sounds like a static file to me |
| 18:34.39 | stew | tech13: its regenerated 4 times a day, i believe. but this is showing RC bugs in sid as well. if you look at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libwww-myspace-perl you'll see that its no longer in testing |
| 18:35.08 | stew | tech13: you might look at http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both or change "both" to "squeeze" depending on what your goal is |
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| 18:36.17 | nsadmin | stew, on the machine you're doing the android stuff on, what's your libc version? |
| 18:36.36 | nsadmin | and your /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:37.18 | stew | nsadmin: 2.11.2-{6,7} ; squeeze/sid |
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| 18:38.46 | nsadmin | ok, so I'm installing kvm or xen and squeeze sometime today |
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| 18:38.52 | Chris_E | hi |
| 18:39.01 | tech13 | nsadmin, not trying for the pool. Planning a new server deploy. Got the boss to delay for a couple of months already. |
| 18:39.16 | nsadmin | why? |
| 18:39.23 | Chris_E | hello anyone here use Mirc? |
| 18:40.13 | nsadmin | Chris_E, easier if you say "I use mirc, and what I want to say about my using it is _________" |
| 18:40.52 | Chris_E | ok |
| 18:41.27 | Chris_E | I use mirc, and what i want to ask if anyone knows a working mp3 script for it? |
| 18:41.27 | nsadmin | or "I don't use mirc, and what I want to say about my not using it is _________" |
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| 18:43.25 | nsadmin | what would you want such a script to do? (also, have you considered trying other irc clients?)\ |
| 18:43.46 | Chris_E | i hear mirc is the best windows client |
| 18:43.49 | nsadmin | I don't use mirc myself, just asking. |
| 18:44.08 | stew | Chris_E: ask ##mirc |
| 18:44.10 | nsadmin | oh ok... so do you have debian installed? |
| 18:44.12 | Chris_E | i just like the scripts editor part of it, where i can add what i like |
| 18:44.14 | Tobias| | chiarrhea, but.. this is #debian O_o |
| 18:44.37 | Chris_E | stew: thanks |
| 18:44.43 | miguel000 | hello, I am now using debian on my acer notebook, but the only thing distrubing me is that the battery gets empty after about 4 hours, while in windows7 its almost 8... Is it possible to get close to this with finetuning my system. I do not need most of the components, like webcam or microphone, etc.. |
| 18:44.47 | Tobias| | But .. you can customize xchat with python, perl, tcl.. several languages not exclusive to the program |
| 18:44.55 | Tobias| | It's much more appropriate to use on Linux |
| 18:45.09 | Tobias| | And getting a now-playing script that integrates with your media player will likely be simpler |
| 18:45.31 | nsadmin | is that what he wants? a "now playing" script? |
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| 18:45.49 | Chris_E | that'll work |
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| 18:47.32 | Tobias| | Not sure if that's the specific term for it, nsadmin, but I believe so |
| 18:48.15 | Tobias| | http://www.liranuna.com/rhythmbox-now-playing-script-for-xchat/ |
| 18:48.19 | nsadmin | ok, how do I go about installing debian squeeze to run (and install) under kvm? (not really wanting to reboot) |
| 18:48.25 | Chris_E | i see it's more approprite with Tobias| |
| 18:48.28 | Chris_E | oops |
| 18:48.32 | Chris_E | typo |
| 18:48.38 | Chris_E | i hit "tab" :/ |
| 18:48.56 | stew | nsadmin: virt-manager makes this kind of thing simple |
| 18:49.27 | stew | nsadmin: also note that you can run android-x86 in kvm which is MUCH nicer for testing than the arm emulator/phone, since its so much faster |
| 18:49.29 | nsadmin | I'm almost positive I have the kvm modules going |
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| 18:49.50 | nsadmin | oh it's an arm? |
| 18:49.52 | nsadmin | good to know |
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| 18:50.41 | stew | nsadmin: i *think* that the emulator is an arm emulator running in qemu |
| 18:51.35 | stew | nsadmin: what I can tell you for sure is that running android-x86 in kvm is MUCH faster for testing |
| 18:52.02 | stew | nsadmin: deploying a new version of your app will take less less than a second instead of 5-10 seconds |
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| 18:52.24 | nsadmin | does what you have require libc-2.11? do you have any android dev stuff under lenny? |
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| 18:52.56 | nsadmin | you mean deploying it to the emulator? |
| 18:53.17 | nirazio | Can I set a delay on startup sounds? |
| 18:53.32 | nsadmin | I'm all for faster... and first I need helloworld :) |
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| 18:54.08 | stew | nsadmin: i havent tried lenny, but i'd be suprised to learn it doesn't work on lenny |
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| 18:55.30 | Chris_E | i wanna leave, but not casually |
| 18:55.36 | Chris_E | what can i do here to get banned quickest? |
| 18:55.51 | nsadmin | probably ask that question... |
| 18:56.05 | Chris_E | hahaha thats what i thoughty |
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| 18:56.20 | wolfric | why would you want to get banned...? |
| 18:56.27 | nsadmin | put a very large nuke in the middle of iran |
| 18:56.29 | Chris_E | what else? eh? |
| 18:56.33 | Chris_E | oh |
| 18:56.36 | Chris_E | always wanted to do that |
| 18:56.51 | Chris_E | ive been G-lined from my fav server :) |
| 18:58.14 | Chris_E | hmmm |
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| 18:58.38 | nsadmin | but seriously... this habit you have of trying to make people angry on purpose probably won't serve you in life :) |
| 18:58.49 | blackx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iQWBHPSN9E |
| 18:58.54 | Chris_E | oh yes it will |
| 18:59.04 | Chris_E | hey guys does this server have botserv? |
| 18:59.05 | stew | can you guys please move this to #debian-offtopic or somewhere more appropriate please? |
| 18:59.09 | Chris_E | i cant get it on commands |
| 18:59.45 | nsadmin | ok, tell ya what... go to harlem and yell racial epithets really loud and see what anger can do :) |
| 19:00.00 | Chris_E | thanks, ill do that |
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| 19:00.19 | nsadmin | the thing is, will they become angry or sad |
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| 19:00.25 | stew | nsadmin: wrong channel |
| 19:00.45 | Chris_E | yeah nsadmin, wrong channel! |
| 19:01.09 | Tobias| | Botserv sounds like a custom thing, Chris_E. Not sure it'l work on every network. Also, shouldn't you be asking questions more.. debian-related? :p |
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| 19:01.22 | coreyman1 | I have some apache processes running on my debian 5 box, i want to remove it so I tried apt-get remove apache but it says it isn't installed. How can I completely remove these apache processes? |
| 19:01.34 | Chris_E | ok |
| 19:01.38 | nsadmin | Tobias|: he wants to get banned... I guess... |
| 19:01.39 | Chris_E | fuck yall! |
| 19:01.42 | SuperNull | Hey guys i need some input on a DHCP server Software with DHCP6 support.. and easy integration .. much-preferably SQL based.. we use a software called docsis-server which is dhcp/tftp/ntp in one.. but it seems to be crashing on some options it is not expecting.. |
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| 19:03.35 | nsadmin | stew: so, anything android related you're running on lenny? |
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| 19:07.20 | eshat | Since I got really annoyed by KDE in the past days, I am planing to move to another DE |
| 19:07.41 | eshat | I am looking for something that concentrates on the elementary things |
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| 19:07.54 | eshat | as we say "less is more" |
| 19:08.10 | tabakhase | is there no way to install nagios via ftp without installing exim4? im using nullmailer |
| 19:08.28 | tabakhase | ftp=apt |
| 19:08.40 | Bushmills | luckily, there are many more elementary windows manager and desktop environments. |
| 19:08.41 | eshat | tabakhase: I think exim4 is just recommended |
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| 19:09.04 | eshat | tabakhase: try with --without-recommends |
| 19:09.13 | stew | nsadmin: nothing |
| 19:09.39 | tabakhase | esaym153 then all the rest is missing :D apt-get install nagios nullmailer seems to work... |
| 19:09.47 | eshat | Bushmills: but I also want the elementry things to work, what would you recommend |
| 19:10.10 | eshat | tabakhase: was that meant for me ? |
| 19:10.21 | tabakhase | yes |
| 19:10.44 | Bushmills | i can't recommend anything, as i don't know your requirements. i could suggest to check out lxde or xfce4 |
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| 19:11.06 | tabakhase | now running apt-get install nagios3 nullmailer in 4 shells simultan \o/ |
| 19:11.08 | Bushmills | or, drop the DE idea and look for a window manager |
| 19:11.11 | eshat | Bushmills: and if I add the wish, that it should be "good" looking, will there still remain some alternatives except e17 ? |
| 19:11.17 | mlody | hi. how to do backup via ssh? |
| 19:11.41 | eshat | mlody: rsync |
| 19:11.43 | tabakhase | ARg, on the dbservers he also want to install apache oO |
| 19:12.34 | Bushmills | thinks compiz looks better than kde, but doesn't quite comply with the "elementary" idea |
| 19:12.55 | az_ordog_maga | blackbox forever |
| 19:12.56 | eshat | Bushmills: compiz ??? I though thats just a composition thing |
| 19:13.08 | az_ordog_maga | ahaha |
| 19:13.15 | Bushmills | not only. a WM plus a load of screen candy applets |
| 19:13.33 | Shadow` | KDE has build in compiz :S |
| 19:13.49 | eshat | sorry didn't want to start a discussion about wich DM/DE is the best |
| 19:13.56 | az_ordog_maga | compiz == peasantlighting |
| 19:14.09 | eshat | I will try lxde and xfce |
| 19:14.15 | Shadow` | lxde is quite nice |
| 19:14.18 | Shadow` | imo |
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| 19:14.41 | eshat | But what if I also would like to have a powerful filemanger ? |
| 19:14.52 | eshat | with GUI, so that mc is no option :;) |
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| 19:14.58 | Shadow` | lxde has konquerer iirc |
| 19:15.15 | Bushmills | there's an X version of a file manager, based on mc |
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| 19:15.27 | eshat | Bushmills: :D |
| 19:15.30 | hetOrakel | hi, i seem to forget this each time and googling does not compute, but how can i change the number of started tty's (Debian) |
| 19:15.49 | eshat | is off for testing |
| 19:16.19 | stew | hetOrakel: man inittab |
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| 19:17.38 | nsadmin | stew: argh. I guess lenny is a dead end for that |
| 19:17.56 | stew | nsadmin: why? |
| 19:18.16 | nsadmin | the android docs say the sdk needs libc-2.11 |
| 19:18.43 | nsadmin | that's the only limiting factor I've found in the system requirements |
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| 19:19.42 | nsadmin | I'm not so sure that's actually true... but I don't really want to take a long intrepid journey into getting unknown things working at this moment |
| 19:19.49 | tabakhase | hm, nagios3 still wants apache2-utils *lol* |
| 19:19.58 | hetOrakel | stew: super, thanx |
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| 19:21.12 | jelly-home | tabakhase: what's wrong with apache2-utils? |
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| 19:21.31 | nsadmin | apparantly it's lollable |
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| 19:23.04 | tabakhase | -.- "Please specify the workgroup you want this server to appear to be in when queried by clients." |
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| 19:23.21 | tabakhase | group or name?! "host.tld" od "this.host.tld"? |
| 19:23.23 | nsadmin | installing samba? |
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| 19:23.44 | nsadmin | you could make it WORKGROUP |
| 19:23.49 | tabakhase | nsadmin jeps, nagios want it |
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| 19:24.09 | dvgsvc | i'm experiencing the problem described in the first post of this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=57379, anyone knows of a solution? |
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| 19:25.16 | nsadmin | a workgroup name isnt' a domain name (altho if . is allowed in workgroup names, it could be) |
| 19:25.57 | tabakhase | the label in front of the input is "Workgroup/Domain Name: " |
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| 19:30.14 | tabakhase | nsadmin so, what is that used for? |
| 19:30.37 | tabakhase | google bring lots of hits for samba and for nagios, but not for both combined =( |
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| 19:31.12 | Shadow` | wasnt it cps to copy-paste between machines? |
| 19:31.29 | nsadmin | tabakhase: no idea, as I forgot what nagios is |
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| 19:32.35 | nsadmin | Shadow`: between machines? you'd have to define that... but if you mean paste into a shell, that's easy if you're ssh-ed in |
| 19:33.02 | Shadow` | from one server to another, i thought it was cps * username@host:/folder |
| 19:33.09 | Shadow` | or something, its been a while |
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| 19:33.09 | Spec | scp |
| 19:33.12 | nsadmin | cps? |
| 19:33.12 | Shadow` | ah |
| 19:33.14 | nsadmin | scp |
| 19:33.16 | Shadow` | thanks |
| 19:33.20 | Spec | "secure copy" will help you remember. |
| 19:33.38 | nsadmin | that's not cut paste tho, that's "transfer a file" |
| 19:33.42 | Shadow` | ill try and remember the ..memory stone (i think) |
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| 19:40.22 | nsadmin | heya stew... I am runnign virt-manager now, it's empty and viewing all vm-s... also the "new" button is grayed out... is this an indication the kvm modules are not inserted and/or something else is causing it to not allow me to add vms? |
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| 19:42.21 | nsadmin | oh, I did modprobe kvm and then added a connection to localhost |
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| 19:42.30 | nsadmin | now I can "new" |
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| 19:44.05 | Tux^verdreifelt | is there a command which would allow me to do a certain task on a specified time once and never again? i don't think a crontab would be the way to go.. |
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| 19:44.20 | dvgsvc | Tux^verdreifelt, man at |
| 19:44.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | dvgsvc: ah, thanks |
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| 19:45.15 | goodnight | faq 1.2 "Debian GNU/Linux is a particular distribution of the Linux operating system" |
| 19:45.23 | hetOrakel | hi, this is non debian question, but xchat, how can i prepend the message i'm sending with a nick+semicolon of some of yout |
| 19:45.24 | goodnight | But, IMHO, Linux is a Kernel, not an OS |
| 19:45.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | indeed, goodnight. |
| 19:45.55 | nsadmin | goodnight, no! tomatoe! |
| 19:46.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: potayto! |
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| 19:46.54 | stew | goodnight: file a bug against the www.debian.org pseudo-package |
| 19:47.28 | nsadmin | goodnight: I mean, if you're really passionate about that kind of thing, you'll likely find kindred on #gnu |
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| 19:47.47 | goodnight | no i'm just learning |
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| 19:48.58 | nsadmin | well the statement is factual in that debian provides the linux kernel AND stuff from gnu |
| 19:49.28 | nsadmin | as well as other stuff |
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| 19:50.03 | nsadmin | , versions virt-manager |
| 19:50.05 | judd | Package virt-manager on i386 -- etch-backports: 0.5.4-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 0.6.0-6; lenny-backports: 0.8.4-4~bpo50+2; sid: 0.8.4-8; squeeze: 0.8.4-8; experimental: 0.8.5-1 |
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| 19:50.48 | stew | goodnight: kernel.org does refer to linux as an operating system in their FAQ, btw |
| 19:51.25 | nsadmin | stew: do you think I need qemu? |
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| 19:51.44 | nsadmin | oh, only if I'm doing paravirt?> |
| 19:53.25 | goodnight | stew: where? |
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| 19:53.52 | rpgdude | anyone know how to setup pulseaudio for ati hdmi |
| 19:53.55 | rpgdude | ? |
| 19:54.18 | stew | nsadmin: you need qemu-kvm |
| 19:54.27 | stew | goodnight: oh, not their faq, but on their homepage |
| 19:55.10 | nsadmin | looks like I have it |
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| 19:55.54 | goodnight | yes i've seen |
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| 20:00.25 | nsadmin | so I have the lenny-backport virt-manager, and I made a connection to localhost. when I then try to create a new virtual machine, it says "Error: No hypervisor options were found for this connection. This usually means that qemu or kvm is not installed on your machine. Please ensure they were installed as intended." |
| 20:00.32 | nsadmin | but isn't it installed? |
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| 20:01.18 | nsadmin | wait, hold that thought; brb |
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| 20:02.05 | stew | nsadmin: does "virsh --connect qemu:///system" work? |
| 20:02.32 | stew | nsadmin: like, for instance, does "virsh --connect qemu:///system list --all" work? |
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| 20:06.14 | illio | Several months ago I looked into TLS SNI support for Apache in Debian stable .. at the time it wasn't available, however someone in here apparently knew it was planned to be supported by Christmas this year.. do any of you know of the status on this and where can one find some kind of status overview on such things? |
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| 20:09.34 | nsadmin | stew: yes; it's empty and I'm adding/deleting connections at the moment |
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| 20:10.15 | nsadmin | right now there is one connection in the virt-manager dialog |
| 20:10.38 | nsadmin | to localhost, and it's labeled "localhost (QEMU) |
| 20:10.39 | nsadmin | " |
| 20:11.15 | stew | nsadmin: that sounds right |
| 20:11.30 | stew | illio: such new features would not be added to stable. perhaps someone was trying to guess when the next stable release would come out |
| 20:11.33 | nsadmin | hmm. how can I find out what's missing? |
| 20:11.46 | nsadmin | or do I want breakfast first :) |
| 20:11.57 | illio | stew, that could also be the case :-) Any schedule on that? |
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| 20:13.08 | stew | illio: its not something that is scheduled, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/12/msg00002.html for the latest announcement from the release team |
| 20:13.31 | illio | stew, okay thanks :-) |
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| 20:15.26 | stew | nsadmin: so you still can't create domains in virt-manager? are you running it as a regular user or as root? |
| 20:15.35 | nsadmin | as root |
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| 20:16.18 | zoredache | Is there a command I can use to see if a package is already installed on a system that is a mail-transport-agent? |
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| 20:16.44 | stew | zoredache: aptitude search '~i~Pmail-transport-agent' |
| 20:16.47 | t3a | hey, how do i lock my screen? |
| 20:17.04 | nsadmin | large vault |
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| 20:17.49 | nsadmin | depends on what you're running |
| 20:17.56 | t3a | squeeze |
| 20:17.57 | zoredache | stew: thats great, thanks. |
| 20:18.05 | nsadmin | what wm? |
| 20:18.14 | t3a | kde |
| 20:18.15 | rozie | screensaver is universal |
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| 20:18.57 | nsadmin | the kde menu near the bottom |
| 20:19.44 | t3a | is there a way to do it in awesome actually? because i just reinstalled debian and i havent changed it to awesome yet |
| 20:20.15 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 20:20.31 | nsadmin | I don't run awesome, I just -am- awesome... |
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| 20:21.27 | OpenTokix | w |
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| 20:22.12 | dvgsvc | i'm experiencing the problem described in the first post of this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=57379, anyone knows of a solution? |
| 20:22.29 | nsadmin | ok, here's something... it says libvirtd isn't started |
| 20:23.21 | gp5st | I'm getting the second error here (http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/FAQ) i'm not able to find pkg.m4. (squeeze/sid // autoconf 2.67 // automake 1.11.1 // gcc 4.4.5) |
| 20:23.26 | nsadmin | , file init.d/libvirtd-bin |
| 20:23.29 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 20:23.49 | nsadmin | , file init.d/libvirt-bin |
| 20:23.52 | judd | init.d/libvirt-bin in lenny/i386: libvirt-bin: etc/init.d/libvirt-bin |
| 20:24.30 | eshat | Well, lxde nor xfce suite my needs |
| 20:24.48 | eshat | I want somethink good-looking and minimalistic, like apples OS X |
| 20:25.08 | gp5st | osx isn't minialisitc but that's neither here nor there |
| 20:25.12 | nsadmin | reinstalled libvirt-bin. ;et |
| 20:25.15 | gp5st | ratpoison is nice |
| 20:25.17 | nsadmin | let' |
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| 20:25.21 | nsadmin | s try not |
| 20:25.22 | gp5st | and ther eis fluxbox |
| 20:25.22 | eshat | gp5st: by minimalistic I meant the GUI |
| 20:25.27 | gp5st | that's what i meant too |
| 20:25.28 | nsadmin | ARGH. sorry |
| 20:25.36 | gp5st | have you used fluxbox? |
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| 20:25.40 | gp5st | eshat: |
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| 20:25.50 | eshat | gp5st: yeah, but it is too feature poor |
| 20:26.04 | gp5st | what's wrong with gnome or kde? |
| 20:26.10 | nsadmin | now libvirtd starts... |
| 20:26.20 | gp5st | there is the mods for netbook edition that put the menu par in the top panel |
| 20:26.28 | gp5st | err, the title bar |
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| 20:26.48 | eshat | I want thinks like "mounting USB sticks, MIME type association" to work with just a single click |
| 20:26.53 | yaaar | so let's get this straight...you want something minimalistic, but not feature poor |
| 20:27.10 | gp5st | eshat: again, what's wrong with gnome? |
| 20:27.25 | gp5st | i've never had issues mounting usbsticks with it |
| 20:27.25 | eshat | yaaar: minimalistic in the sense of, that it shouldn't have an overloaded GUI, like KDE is going |
| 20:27.39 | nsadmin | THERE, now it seems to be working |
| 20:27.42 | gp5st | ratposion;) |
| 20:27.50 | gp5st | that's about as minialistic as you'll get |
| 20:27.51 | eshat | gp5st: I haven't used gnome for a long time, maybe I should try that one, I was stick with KDE for almost 2 years now |
| 20:28.01 | gp5st | give it a shot |
| 20:28.14 | gp5st | it's pretty simple to use |
| 20:28.45 | gp5st | havn't had issues with associating files or usb/any disk mounting in a while |
| 20:28.57 | yaaar | yeah, gnome rules these days |
| 20:29.04 | eshat | well, ok thanks for all the feedback |
| 20:29.10 | yaaar | too bad they are going to destroy the interface in 3.0 |
| 20:29.17 | gp5st | also, hasn't kde always had everything being configurable? |
| 20:29.21 | eshat | yaaar: maybe I should not get used to it hten |
| 20:29.24 | eshat | then* |
| 20:29.24 | gp5st | yaaar: what? :( |
| 20:29.30 | gp5st | eshat: you don't have to upgrade |
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| 20:29.38 | eshat | is using sid |
| 20:29.42 | yaaar | gp5st: have you not seen/heard about gnome shell in 3.0? |
| 20:29.48 | gp5st | i mean, if you don't like anything else, then you don't have much to loose |
| 20:29.57 | gp5st | yaaar: i live under a rocks sometimes |
| 20:30.01 | Bushmills | wonders how fluxbox as "minimalistic" WM can be too "feature poor" |
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| 20:30.30 | gp5st | Bushmills: i think he means clean, not minimalistic |
| 20:31.24 | eshat | gp5st: Bushmills: yes, clean and good looking, and not taking hours/days to configure, that's why fluxbox is not an option |
| 20:31.27 | yaaar | http://gnomejournal.org/article/85/easy-breezy-beautiful-gnome-shell |
| 20:31.47 | h3sp4wn | minimalistic is ratpoison or ion |
| 20:31.49 | Bushmills | icewm? |
| 20:32.03 | omg22 | My apt-get install is basically broken: http://paste.debian.net/103033/ |
| 20:32.29 | gp5st | h3sp4wn: yeah |
| 20:32.30 | nsadmin | are there torrents for testing apps? |
| 20:32.31 | omg22 | Can anyone have a look? All kinds of broken dependencies and no way to simply say "delete all these packages" |
| 20:32.31 | yaaar | apparently they thought it would be a good idea to get rid of all the useful tools in gnome shell and replace them with "one button to rule them all" which resizes and moves everything on your desktop when you click it. |
| 20:32.41 | gp5st | i love ratposion, not fast enough though |
| 20:32.41 | nsadmin | oops, badly worded |
| 20:32.50 | nsadmin | are there torrents for squeeze images? |
| 20:32.57 | gp5st | yaaar: that makes no sense |
| 20:33.04 | omg22 | This theory that the package managers do not make mistakes is fundamentally broken. |
| 20:33.05 | yaaar | gp5st: tell me about it |
| 20:33.25 | yaaar | gp5st: look at that link above for some screens of what i'm talking about |
| 20:33.30 | ajikeshi | yaaar, gnome shell is a huge fail... |
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| 20:33.50 | yaaar | gp5st: the whole center of the panel is....a clock!? ....totally wasted space |
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| 20:33.52 | omg22 | Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all these Java packages to get the system in a sane state again? |
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| 20:34.00 | gp5st | wouldn't that just make it harder for non techies to use it? (gnomeshell i mean) |
| 20:34.08 | gp5st | I'm getting the second error here (http://wiki.apache.org/thrift/FAQ) i'm not able to find pkg.m4. (squeeze/sid // autoconf 2.67 // automake 1.11.1 // gcc 4.4.5 // pkg-config 0.25) |
| 20:34.30 | omg22 | Error is here: http://paste.debian.net/103033/ |
| 20:34.39 | yaaar | gp5st: well, it certainly looks to me like it will make it harder for every single user to use, no matter their knowledg |
| 20:35.01 | gp5st | yaaar: well, i don't mind a command line all that much |
| 20:35.15 | gp5st | i wish everything was like vim where i can go to command mode and type out everything i want to do |
| 20:35.51 | gp5st | as long as there is some reasonable way to figure out where settings are, i just frown on the idea because i know it'd make it harder for the average person |
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| 20:35.55 | nsadmin | gp5st: maybe you should install build-essential |
| 20:35.57 | nirazio | What can I use to read/write to my ext4 file system in Win7 x64? |
| 20:36.06 | gp5st | (even above average that isn't like me) |
| 20:36.08 | yaaar | gp5st: and i'm not the only one up in arms about it. all the stories i've seen on /. etc have been full of screaming anguish. heck, it's bad enough that Ubuntu has just decided to completely jump ship on gnome shell and write their own desktop from scratch for 11.04 |
| 20:36.09 | gp5st | nsadmin: i have |
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| 20:36.43 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe your debian doesn't have forexample gcc 4.4.5 |
| 20:37.06 | gp5st | ? it has 4.4.5 |
| 20:37.32 | yaaar | gp5st: hey, i love the command line...i've got about 15 terminals open right now. but i also like to have a useable GUI to deal with web browsing, looking through my music/photos, watch videos and a hundred other things that just really don't work well on the CLI |
| 20:37.33 | nsadmin | nirazio: I guess, a driver for windows that does ext4 |
| 20:37.50 | gp5st | this all works on another machine that has gcc 4.3.2 // pkg-config 0.22 |
| 20:38.07 | gp5st | yaaar: i know |
| 20:38.12 | nsadmin | find out why |
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| 20:38.29 | gp5st | nsadmin: that i don't know how to do |
| 20:38.31 | yaaar | nsadmin: is such a driver available? it's been a few months, but last time i looked i came up dry |
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| 20:38.43 | gp5st | i'm assuming something m4 or autoconf changed |
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| 20:39.09 | DogWater | Is there a way to use a driver disk to install Debian 5.0.7 on a Dell PERC H200? |
| 20:39.13 | gp5st | the work around mentioned says to make a symlink for pkg.m4, but i can't find that file |
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| 20:39.19 | DogWater | It doesn't seem to have the driver in the kernel |
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| 20:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | DogWater: Driver for what? |
| 20:39.48 | omg22 | Where is the "uninstall this package and do not even think of whining"-button? |
| 20:39.48 | gp5st | DogWater: are you installing a driver or the OS? |
| 20:40.03 | gp5st | -f? |
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| 20:40.08 | gp5st | :) |
| 20:40.11 | xzq | need some help with deps etc http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM-thanks |
| 20:40.17 | omg22 | gp5st: that doesn |
| 20:40.20 | omg22 | gp5st: 't work. |
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| 20:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I believe there are torrents for the squeeze images. |
| 20:40.53 | DogWater | jhutchins_lt: The Dell PERC H200 raid controller. |
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| 20:41.01 | omg22 | I can't believe I am the only one who wishes that the machine listens to me when I tell it do something. |
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| 20:41.17 | DogWater | gp5st: I am trying to install Debian and it tells me it cant find the disks, and then asks me to supply a driver via removable media.. where would this mythical driver be? |
| 20:41.19 | xzq | oops http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
| 20:41.22 | omg22 | Is there another package management system that does actually work? |
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| 20:41.47 | omg22 | Where "uninstall" doesn't give excuses, etc. |
| 20:41.51 | gp5st | DogWater: what are you install debian off of? |
| 20:42.03 | DogWater | gp5st: 5.0.7 network install media |
| 20:42.06 | nsadmin | omg22: maybe debian and its packaging system (and its fairly static, narrowly focused depend structure) doesn't suit you |
| 20:42.06 | DogWater | netboot |
| 20:42.09 | gp5st | omg22: it's not useful to get arrgesive |
| 20:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: You could just learn how to use apt properly. |
| 20:43.01 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: I disagree; I think it's too user-unfriendly. I know I can go and hack the post-install scripts, etc., but that's not a solution. |
| 20:43.07 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: I'm pretty sure lfs would suit him more |
| 20:43.24 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: I can build a better package management system, yet I have trouble using this one. |
| 20:43.31 | xzq | liable: how are things downunder? |
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| 20:43.41 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: at some point it's the system that has been designed in a broken manner. |
| 20:43.44 | nsadmin | omg22, build that system! |
| 20:43.55 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: NixOS e.g. has already shown how to do this. |
| 20:43.59 | omg22 | nsadmin: NixOS? |
| 20:44.01 | DogWater | anyway, I was just trying to figure out if there is actually a way to get a new mptsas driver and put it on a usb drive and have the debian installer use that. |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: So build it, the world will flock to your distribution if it's that much better. |
| 20:44.14 | stew | omg22: show us the command you are running and the output, use a pastebin |
| 20:44.30 | nsadmin | the package management system that you can build that's better than debian |
| 20:44.36 | omg22 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/103033/ |
| 20:44.45 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: So why aren't you using nixos? |
| 20:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: How many package managers have you used? |
| 20:45.00 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: because it doesn't have critical mass. |
| 20:45.08 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: 8. |
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| 20:45.15 | nsadmin | how do you think debian got critical mass |
| 20:45.27 | nsadmin | how long do you think that took |
| 20:45.31 | omg22 | nsadmin: by being there first and being relatively stable. |
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| 20:45.53 | Oleg | if I wanted to bring debian into a certain runlevel, what do I do? |
| 20:45.57 | DogWater | anyway is there a way to put the mpt2sas driver on a USB key? or not? |
| 20:46.02 | Oleg | I want to switch it to level 3 |
| 20:46.05 | nsadmin | oleg: man telinit |
| 20:46.06 | omg22 | Oleg: init <number>? |
| 20:46.31 | Oleg | telinit and init is what I thought, but if I want it to stay there, will it always be? |
| 20:46.32 | stew | omg22: that doesn't look like trying to remove something... |
| 20:46.41 | stew | omg22: but this is a problem with the package, not the package manager |
| 20:46.57 | omg22 | stew: I also did the same command with removing all those packages with problems. |
| 20:46.58 | stew | omg22: check the bts for gcj-4.4-jre-headless |
| 20:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | Oleg: telinit 3 would do that, but it wouldn't make any difference. |
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| 20:47.22 | nsadmin | well unless he' |
| 20:47.27 | omg22 | stew: I asked the package manager to remove all that stuff, but it delegates and listens to the output of the subprocess. |
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| 20:47.31 | nsadmin | has altered runlevel 3 |
| 20:47.46 | omg22 | stew: that is a broken design; I want it to remove the package and not listen to whatever other process. |
| 20:48.06 | stew | omg22: it would be more broken to ignore failures |
| 20:48.11 | xzq | thanks for some feedback http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
| 20:48.25 | stew | omg22: the right solution is to fix the buggy package, not to break the package manager |
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| 20:48.52 | omg22 | stew: I don't think so. It could simply remove complete directories. That won't ever break until your filesystem is broken. |
| 20:49.01 | omg22 | And filesystems can also be made more robust. |
| 20:49.02 | helo | but the easiest solution is to make the wrong choice |
| 20:49.09 | helo | lets do that... |
| 20:49.17 | gp5st | or use google omg http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3105915.30;wap2 |
| 20:49.20 | omg22 | From a system design point of view it is designed to fail. |
| 20:49.21 | gp5st | have you tried any of that? |
| 20:49.28 | stew | omg22: there is more to removing a package than just deleting directories in many cases, such as your case |
| 20:49.29 | omg22 | gp5st: yes |
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| 20:49.38 | gp5st | omg22: it's designed to fail when things aren't working |
| 20:49.39 | stew | omg22: just removing files is going to leave broken symlinks |
| 20:49.45 | gp5st | hmmm |
| 20:49.46 | omg22 | stew: then don |
| 20:49.49 | gp5st | what would you have it do? |
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| 20:49.52 | stew | omg22: don? |
| 20:49.57 | omg22 | stew: 't use symlinks. |
| 20:50.07 | omg22 | stew: symlinks provide no additional expressivity. |
| 20:50.10 | helo | even better! |
| 20:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: So port the nixos manager to debian, call it debianix, pirate Debian's repos and there you have the worlds best mousetrap. |
| 20:50.44 | stew | omg22: sounds like you might want to look at a distribution like gobolinux instead of debian |
| 20:51.21 | nsadmin | omg22, you're kinda irritating me... I'm trying to get things accomplished and you're raising the channel temp. could you discuss this elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic |
| 20:51.22 | omg22 | stew: why is that? They use a different directory structure, but how does their package manager differ? |
| 20:51.42 | omg22 | nsadmin: you could also simply answer my issue. |
| 20:51.43 | stew | omg22: i don't know anything about their package manager |
| 20:51.57 | omg22 | stew: then why do you suggest it? |
| 20:51.59 | nsadmin | where did I ever say that's on my todo list |
| 20:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | omg22: You don't have an issue, you have a rant. |
| 20:52.12 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: did you see my paste? |
| 20:52.15 | stew | omg22: because you want to be able to remove packages by just deleting directories |
| 20:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | No, I saw your rant. |
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| 20:52.27 | stew | omg22: if you really think that debian should stop using symlinks, that is madness, or trolling... |
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| 20:52.49 | nsadmin | looks like trolls abound this morning |
| 20:53.00 | gp5st | i'm not trolling |
| 20:53.01 | az_ordog_maga | evening |
| 20:53.04 | gp5st | i'm really stuck:( |
| 20:53.11 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: http://paste.debian.net/103033/ |
| 20:53.22 | eshat | I want this GUI, it is just amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvwh87xZSvo&feature=player_embedded |
| 20:53.35 | xzq | evening -depends where you are |
| 20:53.39 | omg22 | jhutchins_lt: other people had seen it before and have responded to it so that you didn't see it is entirely your weakness. |
| 20:54.03 | gp5st | az_ordog_maga: SGT is common on irc channels |
| 20:54.10 | az_ordog_maga | xzq: |
| 20:54.10 | eshat | wow, this elementary team is doing just great work |
| 20:54.17 | nsadmin | now he's trolling absolutely |
| 20:54.22 | omg22 | I think the system is broken if it just says "cannot do that". |
| 20:54.29 | az_ordog_maga | gp5st: please light me padawan |
| 20:54.29 | omg22 | Please tell me how the system is not broken. |
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| 20:54.33 | stew | omg22: it is broken |
| 20:54.38 | stew | omg22: its broken because |
| 20:54.44 | stew | omg22: its broken because gcj-4.4-jre-headless is broken |
| 20:54.47 | omg22 | a package manager messed up. |
| 20:54.51 | omg22 | Er maintainer |
| 20:54.59 | stew | omg22: no, the package manager did the right thing, its working exactly as designed |
| 20:55.04 | omg22 | Yes, and I am saying that should not have influence on the rest of the system. |
| 20:55.19 | omg22 | Because it stops me from installing _unrelated_ parts. |
| 20:55.22 | xzq | thanks for some feedback http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
| 20:55.23 | nsadmin | there exist bugs occasionally. live with it |
| 20:55.39 | stew | omg22: what is it preventing you from installing? |
| 20:55.41 | gp5st | az_ordog_maga: standard getting time or ugt univeraal greeting time. when you enter it's always morning, when you leave it's always night;) |
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| 20:56.11 | xzq | gp5st: uum wondered about that |
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| 20:56.29 | omg22 | stew: apt-get install abcde for example gives the exact same output. |
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| 20:56.47 | az_ordog_maga | gp5st: and padawan? |
| 20:57.10 | gp5st | don't know, what is it? |
| 20:57.13 | stew | omg22: well its going to continue to try to configure packages until all the packages are configured |
| 20:57.19 | omg22 | stew: I understand that the package manager moves the bits around as it is supposed to do, I am just saying that I think the specification is broken I think. |
| 20:57.20 | stew | omg22: which is again, by design, and not going to change |
| 20:57.20 | gp5st | and if i typed it my fingers must have bene spastic |
| 20:57.29 | eshat | This team ( www.elementary-project.com ) should help the KDE community |
| 20:57.42 | stew | omg22: its really not broken, ignoring errors is not a solution |
| 20:57.43 | omg22 | stew: so, I have to wait until the package maintainer fixes the problem? |
| 20:57.57 | omg22 | stew: or become maintainer for a package that I don't even want. |
| 20:58.02 | stew | omg22: you have to wait for someone to fix the problem, it doesn't have to be the package maintainer |
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| 20:58.07 | omg22 | stew: do you see the problem? |
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| 20:58.19 | stew | omg22: you could fix it without being the maintainer, there might be a fix already, check the bts |
| 20:58.30 | stew | omg22: yes, i see the problem, i'm looking at your paste |
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| 20:58.50 | omg22 | stew: I am not referring to this specific instance of this problem; these problems are epidemic. |
| 20:58.53 | zxoch | Hi everyone, I'm trying to load a java applet on chromium web browser, but it cannot load. Any suggestions? (Debian squeeze/sid i686 ) |
| 20:58.58 | nsadmin | or force its removal (but be warned, this can also cause problems, your package db might have broken references, etc etc) |
| 20:59.02 | Oleg | init 3 nor telinit 3 does a thing for me, I ran the command it just sits there(finished the command, throws me back a prompt) and if I reboot, it boots into level 5 anyways |
| 20:59.04 | gp5st | zxoch: do you have java? |
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| 20:59.33 | omg22 | If you upgrade once every six months or something like that with a 1% probability of a bug in a package with 5000 packages, then you have a big problem. |
| 20:59.37 | stew | omg22: yes, well you are using an unrelease version of debian. the ONLY reason it is unreleased is that it is known to contain these type of bugs |
| 21:00.15 | nsadmin | omg22: if you make upgrade decisions based solely on time, you'd be potentially causing many problems |
| 21:00.21 | zxoch | gp5st, How do I know? ( I'm a quite newbie. ) |
| 21:00.24 | stew | omg22: if you are looking for a distro which has an unrelease development branch which is free of bugs, you are going to probably be disappointed |
| 21:00.27 | az_ordog_maga | use ubuntu garanteed more bugs every sixth month |
| 21:00.37 | omg22 | stew: except there are no versions that are bug free. |
| 21:00.43 | omg22 | stew: even Stable is not. |
| 21:00.58 | stew | omg22: correct |
| 21:01.02 | omg22 | Stable is just there to run the webservers of this world. |
| 21:01.06 | stew | omg22: this type of bug is rare in stable |
| 21:01.09 | nsadmin | true, but it has less bugs than unstable or testing |
| 21:01.09 | gp5st | zxoch: go to synaptic (system > admin) search for java |
| 21:01.12 | az_ordog_maga | on the server side i'm just using stable branch |
| 21:01.14 | stew | omg22: no, that's not true |
| 21:01.14 | omg22 | Which is where the "Linux for servers" mantra comes from. |
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| 21:01.40 | stew | i don't follow, but this is getting pointless |
| 21:01.42 | gp5st | zxoch: there should be a sun-jdk package |
| 21:01.43 | nsadmin | omg22: so now I hear you saying "I want newer versions" and "I want everything to work perfectly" |
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| 21:01.58 | nsadmin | and "I want to pay no money and spend no time" |
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| 21:02.26 | nsadmin | omg22: I call -bullshit-. |
| 21:02.32 | omg22 | nsadmin: I just want that package maintainers that break stuff are taken out of the Debian project. |
| 21:02.52 | omg22 | nsadmin: if a package does not exist, there also cannot be a problem with it. |
| 21:02.54 | nsadmin | you don't have a vote unless you are a debian dd |
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| 21:03.13 | zxoch | gp5st, There appear 1612 package, 1367 installed. Which one must I install? |
| 21:03.20 | az_ordog_maga | omg22: who are u? the dictator of the debian community?:D |
| 21:03.21 | omg22 | There is no reason why a package cannot be tested to be installable. |
| 21:03.38 | omg22 | az_ordog_maga: I should be. |
| 21:03.38 | stew | omg22: did you check the bts yet? |
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| 21:03.39 | nsadmin | so run stable. |
| 21:03.53 | phik | Question: Is "CC-BY v3.0" considered DFSG-compatible? I've been looking around the FAQ and "CC-BY-SA v3.0" is, but i couldn't find a clear answer for just "CC-BY" |
| 21:03.54 | omg22 | stew: no, sorry for ignoring that advice. I will do that. That was disrespectful. |
| 21:04.16 | xzq | thanks for some feedback http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
| 21:04.20 | gp5st | zxoch: did you do a search for java? or sun-java? |
| 21:04.23 | atoi | I'm looking to see if the openssh-server package in debian Lenny is vulnerable or secure. There is a neat little page that shows each debian package and whether it's vulnerable or not, but I can't remember where it is or how to find openssh-server on it. Can anyone help me find that? |
| 21:04.44 | az_ordog_maga | omg22: which mantainer your problem? |
| 21:04.59 | stew | phik: it is, its just CC-BY-SA with FEWER restrictions so its not a problem |
| 21:05.08 | nsadmin | omg22: it sounds an awful lot like some of your rants could be solved by you hiring someone who understands debian |
| 21:05.26 | OpenTokix | nsadmin: +1 |
| 21:05.30 | az_ordog_maga | atoi: gugli iz your frend and wiki is the girlfrend |
| 21:05.43 | omg22 | nsadmin: Debian maintainer makes a mistake and now that is my mistake... nice logic you have there. |
| 21:05.48 | phik | stew: thanks |
| 21:05.58 | atoi | az_ordog_maga, well, I've already searched for it, I should have added. |
| 21:05.58 | helo | omg22: did you file a bug? |
| 21:06.03 | zxoch | gp5st, About the number of packages number in all the machine. I just typed java, I'm searching sun-jdk. |
| 21:06.06 | atoi | az_ordog_maga, I found this: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssh |
| 21:06.11 | omg22 | nsadmin: you simply cannot comprehend that the Debian package management system has a fundamental weakness. |
| 21:06.12 | gp5st | omg22: how would that be different anywhere else? if someone messes up then... |
| 21:06.24 | atoi | but that isn't what I found before. I found another page which literally said "vulnerable" or "secure" for each version. |
| 21:06.26 | az_ordog_maga | atoi: why do u want the source package? |
| 21:06.31 | omg22 | gp5st: you can also make systems that work by construction. |
| 21:06.33 | nsadmin | omg22: whether it's weak or not, you're still choosing to use it |
| 21:06.35 | atoi | oh, yeah, maybe that's it. |
| 21:06.36 | stew | omg22: please take your ranting somewhere else. you aren't being constructive |
| 21:06.38 | nsadmin | what's up with that? |
| 21:06.46 | gp5st | zxoch: ok, i'm pretty sure there is a sun-jdk, though i'm not 100% sure if it's there by default |
| 21:06.48 | stew | omg22: this is a help channel. you don't seem to actually be seeking help |
| 21:06.56 | nsadmin | or offering it |
| 21:07.03 | omg22 | helo: I filed more bugs than most, can you please not annoy me with such stupid questions? |
| 21:07.12 | omg22 | helo: because all you want is have an argument. |
| 21:07.13 | gp5st | zxoch: http://wiki.debian.org/Java might be of help |
| 21:07.14 | helo | hahahahaha, ok i vote +b |
| 21:07.21 | omg22 | helo: you have zero intentions of helping. |
| 21:07.31 | omg22 | er intention |
| 21:07.32 | nsadmin | pot kettle black |
| 21:07.42 | omg22 | nsadmin: clue none |
| 21:07.42 | atoi | az_ordog_maga, well, I tried http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/package/openssh-server and http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/package/openssh |
| 21:07.58 | stew | omg22: nsadmin: lets please move on to constructive things. use /ignore if you must |
| 21:08.02 | atoi | az_ordog_maga, but neither seems to be there. |
| 21:08.03 | gp5st | omg22: so you want a system you can prove can never be put into a broken state, broken defined by your terms at the time, not by something that keeps the system up and running without unintended side effects? |
| 21:08.06 | omg22 | stew: "help" would be someone posting a command solving the problem. |
| 21:08.14 | stew | omg22: did you check the bts yet? |
| 21:08.19 | helo | if you want a problem with a debian package fixed, you file a bug on it. that's just how the software world works. |
| 21:08.32 | omg22 | stew: no, all kinds of people were annoying me as you might have observed. |
| 21:08.41 | stew | omg22: then use /ignore |
| 21:08.42 | gp5st | omg22: and don't be an asshat to helo; you never said you filed a bug and it's not an unreasonable question when someone finds something broken |
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| 21:09.10 | stew | gp5st: no namecalling in here please. keep your conversation constructive |
| 21:09.49 | gp5st | sorry |
| 21:09.53 | omg22 | gp5st: the only reason helo said that was to be able to say "if you don't file a bug, you also don't deserve anything to get fixed" or something like that, which is a typical response and you also know that if you have a clue. |
| 21:09.58 | nsadmin | s/asshat/non-asset/ |
| 21:10.04 | gp5st | :) |
| 21:10.13 | xzq | stew: you should get a gold watch soon the amount of time you sent here giving endless answers |
| 21:10.23 | xzq | spent |
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| 21:10.33 | stew | i don't need a watch, i got conky for free :) |
| 21:10.34 | gp5st | omg22: we don't know you have a clue, you've just been ranting about how this is broke and you don't know how to fix it and how it shouldn't be broken |
| 21:11.01 | omg22 | stew: yes, I checked and no it's not there. |
| 21:11.02 | stew | gp5st: omg22: seriously. move on. it doesn't matter who has a clue and who doesn't |
| 21:11.08 | stew | omg22: please file one |
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| 21:11.23 | omg22 | stew: why do you think it is in that package and not in one of the others? |
| 21:11.42 | Bushmills | suggests using closed-source, proprietary software. then there's someone who can be blamed |
| 21:11.44 | helo | omg22: i think you're reading into things way to much. you apparently found a problem with a package that is giving you grief, and you're calling for the removal of a debian developer instead of just filing a bug. |
| 21:12.16 | stew | omg22: because that is the one that dpkg cannot configure. if it ends up being the wrong package the bug will be reassigned |
| 21:12.18 | gp5st | so, how can i even begin to figure out my problem compiling thrift if the work around requires knowlege of the location of pkg.m4 that i can't find? i think it might be that i'm using 0.25 of pkg-config but i'm not sure as everything else has been upgraded too |
| 21:12.21 | zxoch | gp5st: I haven't found any with sun-jdk. I've just founded sunflow. Do you think that I must install manually? |
| 21:12.22 | omg22 | Bushmills: no, you can only blame a corporation then. |
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| 21:12.38 | Vardan | hi all |
| 21:12.46 | nsadmin | , file pkg.m4 |
| 21:12.49 | judd | pkg.m4 in lenny/i386: pkg-config: usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4 |
| 21:12.59 | nsadmin | there ya go |
| 21:13.00 | omg22 | Bushmills: the only real solution is to build everything yourself from scratch, but human lifespans are too short for that. |
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| 21:13.28 | gp5st | nsadmin: why didn't find / find it? |
| 21:13.31 | gp5st | anyway thanks |
| 21:13.37 | Vardan | people I have compiled debian-installer and now I have three files: debian-cd_info.tar.gz, initrd.gz and vmlinuz. How to make CD iso from that files? |
| 21:13.40 | xzq | zna wonders if he'll ever get pasted the apt-get stage |
| 21:13.41 | nsadmin | gp5st: not installed? |
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| 21:14.13 | gp5st | nsadmin: no, it's installed |
| 21:14.21 | gp5st | which is why i don't know find didn't see it |
| 21:14.45 | nsadmin | hmm. so the file is present in the stated location? |
| 21:14.51 | Bushmills | omg22: if building everything from scratch makes it possibly for you to avoid or prevent any bug, you'd save a lot of time by not needing to test or fix things. |
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| 21:15.02 | gp5st | hold on, nsadmin, my connection froze |
| 21:15.23 | ElDiabolo | How do I find a package that holds a certain file? |
| 21:15.35 | OpenTokix | omg22: why don't you just remove the broken packages for a while? - Since you where running some non-stable version? |
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| 21:15.42 | gp5st | apt-file or , file <filename> here |
| 21:15.42 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 21:15.50 | DelphiWorld | what package that have "makeinfo"? |
| 21:15.51 | omg22 | OpenTokix: the question was how to remove these packages... |
| 21:16.04 | DelphiWorld | i have a program to compile |
| 21:16.09 | DelphiWorld | complaining about textinfo |
| 21:16.11 | OpenTokix | omg22: ant apt-get -f remove does not work? |
| 21:16.15 | omg22 | OpenTokix: no.... |
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| 21:16.27 | stew | omg22: you'll have to debug and edit the maintainer script(s) to remove the package |
| 21:16.28 | OpenTokix | omg22: dpkg --fix-missing etc? |
| 21:16.35 | km | any ideas what might be cuasing this semaphore error? Error performing IPC_RMID control on semaphore 22675514 |
| 21:16.36 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 21:16.53 | omg22 | stew: right, which was my objection to the current system. |
| 21:17.09 | OpenTokix | omg22: what debian version are you running? |
| 21:17.11 | omg22 | stew: why exactly is it a problem that stuff is not fully "uninstalled"? |
| 21:17.38 | stew | omg22: because it would leave dangling symlinks |
| 21:17.40 | gp5st | nsadmin: i ran find again and it showed up. -_-; let me try this and get back to you |
| 21:17.42 | omg22 | stew: I think it is only because packages are interdependent. |
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| 21:18.12 | stew | omg22: and frankly, we don't care about your objection to the current system, only in helping you use it if you want help |
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| 21:18.18 | omg22 | If installing over something which has been installed means the same thing as installing it, there should not be any problem. |
| 21:18.33 | stew | omg22: yes, but unfortunately, squeeze and sid are buggy |
| 21:18.36 | xzq | thanks for some feedback http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
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| 21:19.14 | nsadmin | omg22, so you're talking about building additional infrastructure to make sure that one package that isn't properly installed and running is not involved in the dependency tree of one you' |
| 21:19.31 | nsadmin | re trying to install and/or remove. |
| 21:19.44 | gp5st | xzq: do you have any non-standard sources? |
| 21:19.57 | nsadmin | stress on the word "additional" |
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| 21:20.21 | stew | nsadmin: can we please just concentrate on fixing his problem, not theorizing some never going to be realized package manager |
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| 21:20.41 | Debinator | Hello |
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| 21:21.11 | miltio | hi |
| 21:21.17 | nsadmin | the point I'm trying to make is it may or may not ever be built and so may or may not ever satisfy him, and so his best move is to go with it or choose something else |
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| 21:21.33 | miltio | 2.6.32 lenny backports if the package of which 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 21:21.35 | Debinator | I installed Debian Squeeze amd64 on a laptop computer with ATI 4200 chipset. Unfortunately the sound does not work, and lxmusic segfaults now, after I tried to play a mp3 file with it. Is there a known bug? |
| 21:22.21 | Debinator | I should add that it was installed today and all packages are the most recent ones. I am using LXDE as desktop and ALSA. |
| 21:22.34 | nsadmin | where are torrents or jigdos for squeeze cd1 or dvd1 or netinstall? |
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| 21:23.28 | stew | nsadmin: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:23.35 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 21:23.42 | xzq | gp5st: not sure take a look http://pastebin.com/ypgFhWLV |
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| 21:24.24 | gp5st | xzq: where are the intergenia.de ones from? |
| 21:24.29 | ElDiabolo | How do I find packages (not installed on my system) that contain the file hal.storage.policy |
| 21:24.32 | _sho_ | does anyone have a working cuda install on lenny (64bit) |
| 21:24.43 | gp5st | (sorry not familar with german local mirrors) |
| 21:24.51 | omg22 | stew: I cannot install reportbug without fixing the issue myself first. Can't you just copy-paste my command and output? |
| 21:24.59 | gp5st | _sho_: if i did would you pay me for time on it? |
| 21:25.22 | xzq | gp5st: they where there all the time I am running lenny on a dedicated server |
| 21:25.26 | _sho_ | not particularly |
| 21:25.47 | _sho_ | i see there are nvidia packages released for lenny, but none seem to be 64 bit |
| 21:25.47 | xzq | are they non-standard |
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| 21:26.02 | _sho_ | which means i dont see how i could run 64bit cuda |
| 21:26.04 | gp5st | xzq: like i said they could just be german local mirrors, i'll run with that for the moment |
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| 21:26.29 | gp5st | can you paste the link to the error again xzq |
| 21:26.40 | gp5st | nsadmin: yeah, now that i found it and did the fix it's working |
| 21:27.35 | xzq | gp5st: http://pastebin.com/qF73CHWM |
| 21:28.42 | gp5st | is there anything special with your apache2 install? the suexec seems to bve custom and the rest of the errors are about apache dependencies it seems xzq |
| 21:30.29 | xzq | gp5st: I am following a howto-do you want to see it |
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| 21:31.36 | xzq | gp5st: i will give you the full apt-get line |
| 21:32.03 | gp5st | is the previous package (the one marked custom) from the how to? |
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| 21:32.34 | xzq | gp5st: http://pastebin.com/xcN94wRf |
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| 21:32.50 | gp5st | ok |
| 21:33.11 | gp5st | why do you have both suexec and suexec-custom? |
| 21:33.20 | stew | omg22: its already filed as #540939 |
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| 21:33.58 | gp5st | xzq: i'm assuming you did an apt-get upgrade before any of this? |
| 21:34.00 | xzq | gp5st: I will have to ask the guy who wrote the how to, does look like an error |
| 21:34.11 | omg22 | stew: why is it not here then? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gcj-4.4-jre-headless;dist=unstable |
| 21:34.12 | iluminator101 | how do i change screen refresh rate from console? |
| 21:34.15 | gp5st | well, it doesn't surprise me why the conflic |
| 21:34.25 | gp5st | conflict |
| 21:34.29 | Father0fNine | I'm trying to install LTSP. I did the install of what was in squeeze, followed the directions and I'm getting an NFS error on my client "nfsmount: need a path" Where should that have been configured? Anybody know this project? |
| 21:34.35 | xzq | gp5st: yes i did the upgrade |
| 21:34.39 | xzq | apt-get |
| 21:34.43 | stew | omg22: because the bug is closed |
| 21:34.45 | gp5st | but someone else will have to take you further, i'm not the best person here:-\ |
| 21:34.48 | stew | omg22: err, archived |
| 21:35.03 | gp5st | sorry xzq |
| 21:35.36 | xzq | gp5st: many thanks for your help this far |
| 21:35.48 | gp5st | xzq: np, sorry i couldn't help more |
| 21:36.06 | iluminator101 | how do i change the screen refresh rate from console? |
| 21:36.52 | omg22 | stew: basically the one person that is supposed to keep the package working says "nah, that's too much work!". |
| 21:37.08 | stew | omg22: no |
| 21:37.10 | jhutchins | iluminator101: _For_ a console? |
| 21:37.29 | stew | omg22: he's saying "the package that is broken is so old I can't fix it" |
| 21:37.30 | iluminator101 | jhutchins, yea from xterm or console |
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| 21:37.56 | jhutchins | iluminator101: I don't know of a way to change it for a console. |
| 21:37.58 | omg22 | stew: technically he could fix it, no? |
| 21:38.14 | jhutchins | iluminator101: True console is very much hardware driven and I've never seen a way to change it. |
| 21:38.15 | omg22 | stew: he just doesn't care about a particular subset of users. |
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| 21:38.36 | jhutchins | iluminator101: Framebuffer might allow some changes, I don't know how far into full graphics mode it actually goes. |
| 21:38.56 | stew | omg22: what is the fix? |
| 21:39.04 | iluminator101 | i changed my screen rate from 60 to 75 hz and reboot it wouldnt allow me into gui |
| 21:39.11 | jhutchins | iluminator101: The refresh rate of an xterm is determined by X, and can be set by xrandr. |
| 21:39.13 | iluminator101 | i just want to change it back to 60hz thats all |
| 21:39.19 | xzq | gp5st: wo very sorry the author says is for ubuntu but Should work on debian!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:39.34 | omg22 | stew: there is some rmi conflict. This is caused by some package which a user is expected to find. |
| 21:39.34 | iluminator101 | what file do i change in jhutchins |
| 21:39.34 | jhutchins | iluminator101: Where did you change it? |
| 21:39.50 | iluminator101 | preference monitor from gui i think |
| 21:39.57 | omg22 | stew: I never even heard of that conflict, but yet I am expected to learn about this implementation detail. |
| 21:40.03 | jhutchins | iluminator101: Gnome? |
| 21:40.07 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 21:40.18 | omg22 | stew: at that point I become a developer and not a user. |
| 21:40.23 | stew | omg22: yes. he doesn't care about users that either skipped a release or didn't follow the upgrade procedure at some point, or something that caused them to have a very old, buggy, obsolete version of gij installed. people that stick with stable, and follow the release notes when upgrading shouldn't have this problem |
| 21:40.39 | stew | omg22: did you try the solution from the bug? |
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| 21:40.52 | jhutchins | iluminator101: I don't know if it will have changed xorg.conf or something else (no gnome here), but I believe you can fix it with xrandr. |
| 21:40.53 | omg22 | stew: I don't have all the information to that yet. |
| 21:41.01 | stew | omg22: on what? |
| 21:42.13 | omg22 | I have: update-alternatives: error: alternative rmiregistry can't be master: it is a slave of java The bugreport says: > Remove the package(s) providing the java alternative that contains the > rmiregistry slave. |
| 21:42.32 | omg22 | stew: I have no idea which package that is. |
| 21:43.11 | jhutchins | I wonder how much it would cost to pay all of the people who's time omg22 has monopolized for the past hour at their regular pay rate? |
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| 21:44.03 | stew | omg22: can you pastebin the output of "update-alternatives --display rmiregistry" |
| 21:44.09 | helmut | hi. what does squeeze use for suspend to disk? uswsusp seems to be removed. |
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| 21:44.38 | gp5st | well, my rate is 50 and nsadmin is much more knowledgable than me as is stew and jhutchins so lets say 150 * 3 is 550 |
| 21:44.39 | omg22 | jhutchins: only stew has value here. |
| 21:45.07 | stew | can you guys please move the off-topic chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:45.12 | omg22 | stew: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for rmiregistry |
| 21:45.16 | gp5st | sorry:( |
| 21:45.23 | jhutchins | gp5st: They bill me out at about $300, and stew's definitely higher grade. |
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| 21:45.50 | helmut | does squeeze support suspend to disk at all? |
| 21:46.03 | stew | omg22: what about "aptitude search '~i~ngij'" |
| 21:46.17 | jhutchins | helmut: It's more "does the kernel support suspend on this hardware", and yeah, works great for me on my Acer One. |
| 21:46.37 | omg22 | i gij-4.0 - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter i A gij-4.1 - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter i gij-4.2 - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter |
| 21:46.37 | jhutchins | helmut: On the other hand nothing works on my desktop because the BIOS doesn't support it. |
| 21:46.42 | helmut | jhutchins: well lenny did. uswsusp is gone. release notes contain no word about upgrade. |
| 21:46.47 | omg22 | stew: ^^ |
| 21:47.05 | stew | judd: versions gij-4.0 |
| 21:47.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gij-4.0' was found in i386. |
| 21:47.10 | helmut | jhutchins: hardware and kernel is not the problem |
| 21:47.29 | stew | omg22: its these out of date packages, which were removed from debian a long time ago that are the problem |
| 21:48.01 | helmut | jhutchins: could you explain *how* it works on your acer one? that would help a lot. |
| 21:48.09 | stew | omg22: git-4.1 was in etch, but not lenny, so these packages are years old, and should have been removed by an upgrade a long time ago |
| 21:48.23 | stew | err gij-4.1 not git-4.1 |
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| 21:48.31 | jhutchins | helmut: I click "Suspend to disk", it does so and powers down. |
| 21:48.31 | wathek | hi all |
| 21:48.50 | jhutchins | helmut: That or I close the lid and it either suspends to ram or to disk. |
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| 21:49.06 | helmut | jhutchins: great answer. I can tell if I upgrade it will not work. |
| 21:49.17 | omg22 | stew: a correct upgrade script would know about the preconditions that it needs to work and act accordingly. |
| 21:49.45 | omg22 | stew: stating something "will never happen" or something like that are just laziness. I will see whether this has solved it. |
| 21:49.58 | jhutchins | helmut: Squeeze isn't an upgrade, it's an experiment. Put it on another partition as a boot option. |
| 21:50.13 | helmut | jhutchins: ??????? |
| 21:50.37 | omg22 | stew: it works now. |
| 21:50.37 | stew | omg22: when you upgraded from sarge to etch, did you follow the procedure in the release notes? |
| 21:50.55 | omg22 | stew: that was years ago. |
| 21:51.14 | stew | yeah, should have been 4 or 5 years ago, i guess, that is when you made the mistake |
| 21:51.19 | helmut | jhutchins: could you check a few things on your acer one for me? |
| 21:51.25 | stew | omg22: do you remember what you did? |
| 21:51.34 | jhutchins | stew: Why would he do that? The package manager should do that for him. |
| 21:51.49 | omg22 | stew: I usually read the messages from the maintainers. |
| 21:51.50 | helmut | jhutchins: 1) is it running squeeze? 2) is the hibernate package installed? |
| 21:52.08 | omg22 | stew: but IMHO, messages should not be needed. |
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| 21:52.21 | jhutchins | helmut: Yes it's running squeeze. Let's see if it's online. |
| 21:52.29 | omg22 | stew: most messages that I see could be fixed by more code. |
| 21:52.31 | stew | omg22: oh, wall. this is somehting you are going to have to live with |
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| 21:52.35 | helmut | jhutchins: 3) did you upgrade from lenny or install squeeze? |
| 21:52.38 | Debinator | I have no sound under Squeeze amd64 with AMD sound chipset :/ is this normal? Programs either output no sound, or just segfault |
| 21:52.41 | omg22 | stew: wall? |
| 21:52.45 | stew | omg22: submit aa patch |
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| 21:53.22 | stew | omg22: well, not a patch this time, since the buggy package was dropped from debian many many years ago |
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| 21:53.46 | jhutchins | helmut: dpkg -l | grep hibernate returns nothing. No, clean install (NIC not supported pre-squeeze). |
| 21:54.03 | omg22 | stew: I consider Debian to be all possible results of users interacting with a Debian system by using Debian APIs. |
| 21:54.07 | helmut | jhutchins: ok. it uses some other means then. I have no clue what that would be. |
| 21:54.12 | omg22 | stew: your definition of Debian is more narrow. |
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| 21:54.29 | omg22 | stew: I am not saying that one is "better" than the other. |
| 21:54.32 | jhutchins | omg22: You should demand your money back. |
| 21:54.42 | stew | omg22: sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about now |
| 21:54.55 | stew | omg22: i didn't intend to define debian or say that one is better than the other |
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| 21:55.25 | stew | omg22: i'll say this though, if you use testing, expect bugs. if you upgrade from one release to another or skip a release, expect bugs liek this one |
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| 21:56.45 | omg22 | stew: is there some other distro where I can walk away for a few years, run one command, come back after an hour, do ten minutes of configuration and continue my life? |
| 21:56.57 | omg22 | (one command to upgrade) |
| 21:57.00 | stew | omg22: no idea. not debian. perhaps ask ##linux |
| 21:57.01 | helo | one should expect bugs when upgrading from one stable the next? |
| 21:57.24 | omg22 | stew: for which company do you work, btw? |
| 21:57.25 | stew | helo: if you don't follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes, yes |
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| 21:57.35 | helo | ok, yeah |
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| 21:57.39 | omg22 | stew: or is this all hobby? |
| 21:58.16 | stew | sorry, this isn't a social channel |
| 21:58.28 | helo | thought stew must be omg22's employee |
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| 21:58.35 | iluminator101 | jhutchins, how do i change screen refresh rate 60hz using xrandr |
| 21:58.35 | omg22 | stew: sure, thanks for your help. |
| 21:58.58 | helmut | jhutchins: ahh. I bet it uses the full in kernel solution that was not available with etch |
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| 21:59.01 | celialol | Good evening, my new debian is booting well but I can't find any grub.conf or menu.lst to add a not-detected windows partition... Any clue ? |
| 21:59.25 | helmut | jhutchins: Documentation/power/swsusp.txt contains a few pointers on how to do it. :-) |
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| 22:00.04 | woodgrain | my netinst. iso disk is booting into a blinking cursor. ??? |
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| 22:00.33 | jhutchins | iluminator101: I don't know, you'll have to look at the xrandr docs. |
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| 22:00.47 | iluminator101 | thanks jhutchins |
| 22:00.55 | celialol | woodgrain: Are you sure it boots well ? What do you get when booting without the disk ? |
| 22:01.07 | jhutchins | omg22: Everybody here is just a fellow user. |
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| 22:01.31 | woodgrain | celialol, machine boots win/7 fine if that's what you mean. |
| 22:01.44 | stew | woodgrain: are you sure you have the right arch? which cd did you download? |
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| 22:02.22 | woodgrain | stew ... I am using ia64 for a lenovo t410 laptop |
| 22:02.30 | woodgrain | i5 core |
| 22:03.00 | stew | woodgrain: you want amd64, not ia64, ia64 is for itanium2 which is something very different |
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| 22:03.15 | woodgrain | it's not an amd ... it's an intel |
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| 22:03.44 | stew | woodgrain: yes, i understand that. its not an itanium2 though. your cpu supports the amd64 instruction set |
| 22:03.50 | stew | woodgrain: /msg dpkg amd64 ; /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 22:04.00 | woodgrain | stew thanks |
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| 22:06.14 | woodgrain | stew, dpkg says I can run i386 or amd64 which is better? |
| 22:06.24 | helmut | woodgrain: depends on what you want to do |
| 22:06.47 | woodgrain | helmut, I just want the thing to work, be stable and be able to design my electronics on it |
| 22:06.50 | helmut | woodgrain: if you have >4G memory, amd64 poses an advantage since a single process can then address it |
| 22:07.29 | helmut | woodgrain: if you wish to run a bit of proprietary software (flash, skype, whatever) you are probably better off with i386 |
| 22:07.51 | stew | what he said |
| 22:07.52 | helmut | woodgrain: there are some more explanations on ask.debian.net about this question |
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| 22:08.31 | helmut | woodgrain: personally I can tell I'd always choose amd64, but I am at least half a software developer. |
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| 22:09.12 | woodgrain | helmut, so amd64 is a drag if you aren't a hacker |
| 22:09.50 | helmut | woodgrain: hmm. if you are a scientist (particle physics or astronomy) you'd definitely choose amd64. |
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| 22:10.24 | helmut | woodgrain: but then again you'd know that. :-) |
| 22:11.34 | helmut | woodgrain: also note that there is quite some software that is not written very well and may only support i386 (due to bugs). |
| 22:11.49 | helmut | woodgrain: this trend seems to slowly change to software that only runs on amd64. |
| 22:12.52 | woodgrain | helmut, what kinds of stuff is only amd64 binaries? |
| 22:13.20 | helmut | havn't seen that much. I think mainly scientific |
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| 22:13.35 | helmut | and for i386 it is most often just old software |
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| 22:15.55 | gp5st | which package has bzip.h in it? i installed the linux headers and bzip2 and there doesn't seem to be a bzip2-dev or libbzip2-dev |
| 22:16.21 | dvs | libgz-dev? |
| 22:16.24 | nkuttler | gp5st: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:16.30 | helmut | gp5st: tried libbz2-dev? |
| 22:16.33 | gp5st | thanks |
| 22:16.40 | gp5st | helmut: didn't know that existed |
| 22:16.51 | helmut | gp5st: apt-file search foo |
| 22:17.02 | helmut | gp5st: looks for files in packages that are not installed |
| 22:17.04 | gp5st | apt-file gives meth can't find contents.zip error |
| 22:17.11 | helmut | gp5st: apt-file update then |
| 22:17.17 | gp5st | that's what gives the error |
| 22:17.30 | helmut | uhm. no clue then. mine works. |
| 22:17.50 | helmut | maybe your mirror is incomplete? |
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| 22:17.58 | gp5st | i'm using the defaults |
| 22:18.28 | helmut | that would be ftp.debian.org or what? bad idea. |
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| 22:19.20 | gp5st | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 22:20.00 | helmut | I think security mirrors don't provide contents |
| 22:20.34 | gp5st | workaround? |
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| 22:21.27 | helmut | ignore? |
| 22:21.53 | gp5st | doesn't seem to be an option for that in the man page |
| 22:22.09 | gp5st | and besides, shouldn't that work out of the box? |
| 22:22.43 | gp5st | :: shrug :: |
| 22:22.54 | helmut | for most cases it is enough if the main mirror's contents files are used |
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| 22:23.15 | jhutchins | gp5st: It may just be that there was a glitch and that file didn't get updated. Try again later/tomorrow. |
| 22:23.30 | gp5st | ok |
| 22:23.37 | helmut | jhutchins: no. the file simply does not exist |
| 22:23.49 | gp5st | is there anyway to just tell it not to care? |
| 22:24.01 | jhutchins | helmut: Agreeed - but that may be the glitch. |
| 22:24.22 | helmut | gp5st: in theory (but I'm talking about sid) it should download all the other lists and you can search those |
| 22:25.41 | helmut | gp5st: maybe you could try apt-file search somefileyouknowexists |
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| 22:25.57 | gp5st | huh |
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| 22:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | of course security doens't exist for sid (or squeeze). |
| 22:26.34 | gp5st | well, it returns stuff, but not my answer:-p |
| 22:26.42 | jhutchins_lt | I get the error too, and I haven't before, so I'm pretty sure it's temporary. |
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| 22:29.21 | gp5st | ok |
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| 22:30.26 | Debinator | How do I set the transmission rate of my WLAN interface? |
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| 22:40.03 | h3sp4wn | Debinator: Depends what you are using - iw is the non depreciated option |
| 22:40.37 | h3sp4wn | Debinator: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw |
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| 22:42.34 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: the repo exists for squeeze, and it has packages in it |
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| 22:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Ah, I'm behind then, they were still arguing last I knew. |
| 22:43.05 | h3sp4wn | Debinator: there is also iwconfig |
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| 22:43.22 | Debinator | thx |
| 22:43.27 | Debinator | it now sais that "set bit rate is not supported" :( on my broadcom interface |
| 22:43.47 | comodi | hi to all |
| 22:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: So it does, and I apparently get a contents.gz from it because apt-file doesn't complain. |
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| 22:45.47 | comodi | i get some trouble using ldapsearch in M$ AD domain (from now DOMAIN A) trusted to another one (DOMAIN B); i'd like to query the DOMAIN A to get user info in DOMAIN B; any help? |
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| 22:47.36 | karlpinc | comodi: If you don't get help here try #samba. |
| 22:47.49 | comodi | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 22:54.04 | celialol | Still me, I can't find the GRUB config files on my fresh debian install |
| 22:54.09 | celialol | though it boots well |
| 22:54.26 | celialol | no /boot/grub/grub.conf or menu.lst, neither is it in /etc/ |
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| 22:55.15 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: How did you install? |
| 22:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: There are some situation where the installer thinks it's meant to be a chroot and doesn't do grub. |
| 22:55.39 | jhutchins_lt | situations |
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| 22:56.25 | celialol | netinstall, and I clicked "yes, install grub" when asked |
| 22:56.58 | celialol | jhujhiti: But I think the problem could come from the distro that was previously installed, it was a SalixOS which uses Lilo |
| 22:57.15 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: Possibly, debian can use lilo as well. |
| 22:57.15 | celialol | but as said, grub works well and boots fine |
| 22:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: Is this a lenny/stable install? |
| 22:57.55 | celialol | it is a squeeze install |
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| 22:58.28 | nsadmin | celialol, when you boot, does it say LILO? |
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| 22:58.43 | celialol | No, nothing |
| 22:58.49 | celialol | straight Grub thing |
| 22:58.53 | nsadmin | so, doesn't boot at all |
| 22:58.54 | celialol | "Starting grub" |
| 22:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: You didn't read the release notes, did you? |
| 22:59.08 | celialol | it does boot well, my debian install works very fine |
| 22:59.15 | nsadmin | oh |
| 22:59.21 | celialol | No I didn't... |
| 22:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: You don't have grub, you have grub2. |
| 22:59.27 | nsadmin | never mind :) I thought there was a problem :) |
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| 22:59.50 | Luthenis | any .deb to upgrade kmess? to last version 2.03 is so buggy.... |
| 23:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: Since afik one of the things that's not finished yet is the documentation for grub2, /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 23:00.43 | magyar | hi, i have mozilla repositories installed but iceweasel 4.0.8b is broke. Anyone managed to install it on squeeze? |
| 23:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: Do read the release notes though |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | magyar: that's why it's not in squeeze .. if you don't want broken, don't install things from more-than-experimental sources |
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| 23:02.32 | celialol | Okay thanks jhutchins_lt though on the Grub prompt it is written "grub 1.98" |
| 23:02.38 | nsadmin | heya stew, you around? |
| 23:03.18 | jhutchins_lt | celialol: The previous grub, now called grub legacy, was 0.x |
| 23:03.37 | nsadmin | yeah, 2 is a very large value of 1.98 |
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| 23:04.09 | celialol | haha, yes |
| 23:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | 0.97-47 |
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| 23:04.41 | nsadmin | thats the old faithful grub |
| 23:04.50 | ajikeshi_ | who needs grub... im running still lilo :D |
| 23:04.59 | nsadmin | ok |
| 23:05.09 | jhutchins_lt | lilo's great, I just got tired of fighting with installers that insist on grub. |
| 23:05.15 | nsadmin | I dunno, see if you like it |
| 23:05.18 | ajikeshi_ | hehe ack |
| 23:05.34 | ajikeshi_ | well.. and i gave up on installing lilo all the time a couple of years agi |
| 23:06.02 | nsadmin | grub is not bad |
| 23:06.32 | nsadmin | old faithful legacy grub could install itself from its own shell |
| 23:06.49 | nsadmin | which you get when you boot |
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| 23:07.07 | nsadmin | and you can poke around and see what you can boot too |
| 23:08.08 | atoi | I'm still having a tough time finding a page that says whether the Debian Lenny openssl-server, or openssl package by itself, is secure (patched.) |
| 23:08.22 | atoi | If anyone has any pointers where I can find it, please let me know. I think even the bot knows but I don't remember what to ask. |
| 23:09.22 | DotHack | Antons xp witheet strongswan and xl2tpd witheet Lenny? |
| 23:09.48 | DotHack | Crappy autocompletion |
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| 23:10.57 | atoi | DotHack, was that directed @ me? |
| 23:11.02 | citizenkeys | what's a good dlna server that i can install via apt-get ? |
| 23:12.58 | DotHack | Atoi no |
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| 23:16.28 | DotHack | Im using strongswan icw xl2tpd to create à VPN tunnel from my Windows box, but when rekey happen it looses the l2tp tunnel |
| 23:17.16 | DotHack | Anyone knows why tuis happend(using Lenny) |
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| 23:20.45 | deepy | how do I get pgp? |
| 23:20.46 | atoi | What's the proper way to change the SSH banners so that the OS of the machine can't be guessed on Debian Lenny? |
| 23:20.59 | Tobias| | 'banners'? :P |
| 23:21.16 | Tobias| | Sorry, *random comment* |
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| 23:30.10 | mrkotfw | I'm a bit confused as to why Debian doesn't use my domain name |
| 23:30.35 | mrkotfw | If foo is my hostname, and bar.com is my domain name, shouldn't hostname print it all out? |
| 23:30.37 | dclarke | I tried to play a movie DVD on my machine and I was told "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable" .. is there a libdvdcss lib avail somewhere for squeeze ? |
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| 23:30.51 | mrkotfw | I only see user@foo |
| 23:31.04 | Tramp | atoi: so you did "man sshd_config" and searched for "banner"? |
| 23:31.40 | atoi | I did not, I wouldn't have known to man for sshd_config, that's interesting. |
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| 23:31.48 | atoi | Usually I just search for, like, a motd file |
| 23:31.55 | atoi | but I wasn't sure if that's how Debian prefers it done. |
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| 23:32.03 | dclarke | never mind .. reading http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html |
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| 23:32.16 | stew | nsadmin: in 35 minutes... feel free to msg if I can help |
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| 23:32.25 | |Puty| | hi. what happens with skype? |
| 23:33.03 | Tramp | mrkotfw: no. hostname shows the hostname. However, there is an option for the fqdn |
| 23:33.21 | stew | |Puty|: hopefully dies a quick death? |
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| 23:35.02 | atoi | stew, don't bet on that. |
| 23:35.02 | mrkotfw | Tramp: OK |
| 23:35.21 | phogg | atoi: we can always hope |
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| 23:36.11 | |Puty| | some dark news? :D |
| 23:36.20 | |Puty| | hacked? |
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| 23:36.58 | satellit_ | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202198/Skype_blames_service_outage_on_supernode_problem |
| 23:38.44 | nicko | My wireless is gone and I'm getting this message "Failed to initiate AP scan" in /var/log/syslog after a network-manager update. I'm using squezee |
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| 23:39.12 | nicko | Any hint of what this means? |
| 23:39.50 | Debinator | I dont have /etc/dsp :p why? |
| 23:39.52 | Debinator | Sound driver is loaded |
| 23:40.06 | Debinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.38 | ajikeshi | dev/dsp is somehow "virtual" |
| 23:42.41 | ajikeshi | not a real file |
| 23:43.09 | ajikeshi | just like eth and wlan |
| 23:43.31 | woodgrain | netinst doesn't have my network card so I'm stuck. |
| 23:43.47 | woodgrain | any chance the big install disk would have it? |
| 23:44.03 | ajikeshi | woodgrain, there seems to be an iso that has propietary firmware on board... but havent tried it yet |
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| 23:44.33 | ajikeshi | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 23:45.01 | theodore | hi guys |
| 23:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: What network card? |
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| 23:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: Probably no different on the full install disk. |
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| 23:48.39 | woodgrain | intel pro 1000 |
| 23:48.54 | woodgrain | actyally it's on the list but won't find the card in the machine? |
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| 23:49.14 | woodgrain | network card works under windows though. |
| 23:49.54 | nsadmin | are you installing or adding net card to machine with debian installed? |
| 23:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: Its supported but requires firmware. |
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| 23:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | !installer firmware |
| 23:50.35 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 23:50.39 | woodgrain | new installation. |
| 23:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | Our lug got hit when the kernel upgrade removed the firmware - took the server off-line. |
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| 23:52.05 | woodgrain | jhutchins, what's a lug? |
| 23:52.16 | jhutchins_lt | Linux User Group |
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| 23:52.28 | jhutchins_lt | http://kclug.org |
| 23:52.43 | jhutchins_lt | #kclug here. |
| 23:53.36 | theodore | modprobe e1000 |
| 23:54.00 | randomOfAmber | hello, how can I get ext4 support in debian 5.0.7? I have e2fsprogs and cannot find ext4dev in the repos. I'm still getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" when trying to mount an ext4 filesystem (2.6.26-2-amd64) |
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| 23:54.50 | theodore | no u can't till debian adapts a newer kernel |
| 23:55.01 | randomOfAmber | ahh, so if I enable testing repos I can? |
| 23:55.09 | theodore | till then it's ext3 for all |
| 23:55.15 | stew | randomOfAmber: no, don't do that. there is a backported kernel, /msg dpkg bdo |
| 23:55.35 | randomOfAmber | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.35 | stew | randomOfAmber: if you install the kernel from backports.debian.org, you'll have ext4 support |
| 23:55.36 | theodore | stew is right |
| 23:55.39 | randomOfAmber | o.O |
| 23:55.58 | randomOfAmber | ok thanks, I'll do that |
| 23:56.14 | theodore | actually don't do that |
| 23:56.19 | randomOfAmber | ? |
| 23:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | !ext4 |
| 23:56.34 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available since 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:56.41 | theodore | do not use backports |
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| 23:56.59 | stockholm | hi |
| 23:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | theodore: Why? |
| 23:57.05 | randomOfAmber | so what's the solution? |
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| 23:57.32 | theodore | read the dpkg message |
| 23:57.39 | ajikeshi | building your own kernel |
| 23:58.22 | theodore | not recommented |
| 23:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | theodore: Use backports + lilo or grub2. |
| 23:58.37 | theodore | risky |
| 23:58.42 | randomOfAmber | hmm, well thanks anyway |
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| 23:59.54 | theodore | dpkg is it safe to turn in ext4? |
| 23:59.55 | dpkg | theodore: I give up, what is it? |
