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| 00:22.29 | soneal97 | Good evening. |
| 00:24.04 | thewanderer1 | hi, I can't start KVM as user with bridged networking |
| 00:24.12 | thewanderer1 | could not configure /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted |
| 00:25.48 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, how did you configure kvm storage? |
| 00:26.10 | thewanderer1 | storage? I just gave it a disk |
| 00:26.20 | thewanderer1 | -drive file=$(pwd)/omg.img,if=virtio,boot=on |
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| 00:27.33 | nsadmin | so I could provide it with something like file=/dev/sdb4 |
| 00:27.46 | thewanderer1 | sure nsadmin |
| 00:28.05 | nsadmin | what are you feeding those params to? |
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| 00:28.18 | thewanderer1 | `kvm` |
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| 00:29.57 | thewanderer1 | hm, I see the problem now |
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| 00:30.08 | ion_ | hello ... |
| 00:30.12 | nsadmin | I'm using that virt-manager thing |
| 00:30.19 | thewanderer1 | oh... I hate libvirt :P |
| 00:30.29 | thewanderer1 | (not gonna run VMs under root) |
| 00:30.41 | thewanderer1 | found the bug though... |
| 00:30.45 | nsadmin | well so far it's not giving me what I want either |
| 00:31.00 | thewanderer1 | on production servers I have my own kvm init scripts :P |
| 00:31.12 | nsadmin | can I see one? |
| 00:31.18 | ion_ | I wonder if anybody knows a irc channel for people that use debian and program in pascal, please |
| 00:31.25 | thewanderer1 | ion_: #pascal |
| 00:31.46 | nsadmin | ion, learning to program? |
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| 00:31.53 | thewanderer1 | you'll have to wait some minutes though... (and I have had the "pleasure" to meet Pascal, too... :/ ) |
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| 00:32.12 | ion_ | nsadmin: yes man ..any help will be welcome... |
| 00:32.31 | thewanderer1 | ion_: was Pascal forced upon you or a personal choice? |
| 00:32.54 | ion_ | thewanderer: yes at uni I have to use pascal... |
| 00:33.07 | nsadmin | pascal isn't that bad, but it doesn't give all the goodies |
| 00:33.07 | thewanderer1 | ion_: crap, I was afraid of that answer. poor students :( |
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| 00:33.30 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: not that bad? not ending the function upon return only to give me a day of debugging is not bad? :P |
| 00:34.03 | nsadmin | never had that problem... |
| 00:34.30 | thewanderer1 | ion_: first, get a decent book, and then, there's lots of documentation on FPC pages and in FPC documentation in Debian - it rounds up almost all FPC-specific stuff |
| 00:34.32 | ion_ | thewanderer: yeah nasty but I have no choice ..at least now |
| 00:34.37 | nsadmin | ion_ is there a SICP class at your uni? |
| 00:35.08 | thewanderer1 | besides *only* failing to mention that you need to pass -S2 to use default argument values in functions, and that return doesn't work like in C (I found out the hard way) |
| 00:35.38 | ion_ | nsadmin: what SICP stands for ? |
| 00:35.54 | nsadmin | structure and interpretation of computer programs |
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| 00:36.55 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: http://thewanderer.pastebin.com/PP2G0M1g the command line you asked for :) |
| 00:37.07 | nsadmin | oh thanks |
| 00:37.36 | thewanderer1 | (ah yes, we also have a hackish uber script that manages bridges based on NIC names) |
| 00:37.37 | ion_ | nsadmin: yeah I have I think I have um subject like that but just on the next semester |
| 00:37.47 | ion_ | nsadmin: why ? |
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| 00:38.32 | thewanderer1 | (side note: did you know that you can create network interfaces containing literal " in their name? O.o ) |
| 00:39.10 | ion_ | nsadmin: and I have to use the bloody windows is a hell ... |
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| 00:39.47 | thewanderer1 | ion_: I strongly suggest you get a shell somewhere and a decent SSH client :) |
| 00:40.01 | nsadmin | well you'll probably find SICP to be a better intro to CS |
| 00:40.10 | thewanderer1 | (oh, and Kate on Windows is good, and when you can't afford it, Notepad++ or ConTEXT are nice) |
| 00:40.47 | nsadmin | ocw.mit.edu, and look around for mit-6.001 instances |
| 00:41.20 | nsadmin | you won't necessarily have time, as of course that's a class all by itself |
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| 00:41.48 | ion_ | nsadmin: I've been looking those lessons on youtube ..is in python, isn't it? |
| 00:42.00 | nsadmin | no, lisp |
| 00:42.16 | nsadmin | I guess you could do sicp in python |
| 00:42.31 | nsadmin | dunno for sure |
| 00:43.06 | ion_ | nsadmin: lisp ..but is use for AI ....am I right ? |
| 00:43.21 | nsadmin | sure, that's one use |
| 00:43.44 | thewanderer1 | (you can use Brainfuck for AI as well...) |
| 00:44.01 | ion_ | nsadmin: yeah but this is language for the top guys in programming... |
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| 00:44.21 | nsadmin | you can learn the basics of lisp in about 20 mins |
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| 00:45.01 | nsadmin | lisp interpreters are generally slow |
| 00:45.22 | ion_ | nsadmin: I even don't know how lisp looks like.... |
| 00:45.26 | nsadmin | but there are actually shells that are scheme instead of (say) bash |
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| 00:46.06 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, that's all one commandline? |
| 00:46.15 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: yeah |
| 00:46.17 | ion_ | thewanderer: why you don't like AI .. ? |
| 00:46.43 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: we have lots of VLANs though and I decided not to internalize that, so what you see is a very crude command line |
| 00:47.08 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: plus, on the site I had to patch KVM to support more than standard number of network interfaces for this to work :P |
| 00:47.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, does that start multiple guests? |
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| 00:47.26 | thewanderer1 | no, just 1 guest but with hella lot interfaces, each bound to a host's VLAN interface |
| 00:47.43 | thewanderer1 | so it's like vlan20->guest20, vlan21->guest21 |
| 00:47.55 | thewanderer1 | (where guestNN are guest's network interfaces) |
| 00:47.59 | ksk | thanks thewanderer1 :) ill take a look at it later |
| 00:48.02 | nsadmin | I see, so it could be pared down a lot |
| 00:49.04 | rysiek|pl | yello |
| 00:49.08 | ion_ | nsadmin: but you said poor students ...but pascal is a language desinged for learners, isnn't it ? |
| 00:49.24 | rysiek|pl | guys, is there something along the lines of PPAs for ubuntu? |
| 00:49.25 | thewanderer1 | ion_: I did say that, and I meant that it should not ever be allowed for educational use :P |
| 00:49.27 | AimHere | It's a language designed in the 1960s for learners |
| 00:49.28 | peterrooney | nsadmin: I can just see making a mistake on a lisp command run from a bash shell. proper quoting indeed. |
| 00:49.36 | rysiek|pl | ducks |
| 00:49.49 | tuggle | how can I copy a partition from one usb thumb to another while the latter has more space? |
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| 00:50.01 | thewanderer1 | rysiek|pl: "unofficial repositories" they say, and you have to find out the hard way :P |
| 00:50.02 | ion_ | thewanderer1: why not ? |
| 00:50.03 | rysiek|pl | tuggle: copy, then expand |
| 00:50.09 | peterrooney | Wirth must be so angry that someone wrote an operating system in Pascal. |
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| 00:50.17 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: yeah, the google way :P |
| 00:50.51 | thewanderer1 | ion_: it's mostly a subjective personal issue, but I find it way easier to implement algorithms in C++ than in Pascal |
| 00:51.15 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: opposite here ;) |
| 00:51.31 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: and FreePascal + Lazarus = one helluva great RAD tool |
| 00:52.05 | ion_ | thewanderer1: but pascal is used just learn ... I won't program in pascal ... |
| 00:52.32 | thewanderer1 | ion_: ok, anyway to start in Debian you need fpc packages |
| 00:52.51 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: sure, if I wanted to move VLANs to the guest, I'd make a bridge from eth0 and br0 in the host, then make vlans on br0 and also join the tap interface of the guest and make internal vlans inside the guest... O.o |
| 00:52.59 | rysiek|pl | ion_: and I would recommend the Lazarus IDE. |
| 00:53.08 | thewanderer1 | isn't Lazarus for Windows? :P |
| 00:53.18 | ion_ | thewanderer1: I do have gpc installed ... |
| 00:53.18 | Aenigma | when I boot debian, the network manager fails to autostart my network connections. I can, however, start it using ifconfig. how can I make this automatic? |
| 00:53.31 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: it's cross-platform |
| 00:53.59 | thewanderer1 | ion_: I don't know gpc, thus I can only recommend fpc |
| 00:54.11 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: that's the beauty of it, the LCL (Lazarus Component Library) allows you to compile your app for win32, qt, gtk, etc |
| 00:54.34 | byrd_cleveland | hello - when I hit Control+Alt+F1 and try to login on the textconsole, then the I get loged out and see the login prompt again - can anyone help me please? |
| 00:55.12 | thewanderer1 | byrd_cleveland: you probably did something strange to your login script or your login prompt is replaced by a funny binary :) |
| 00:55.26 | ion_ | rysiek|pl: so is cross platform them ? |
| 00:55.41 | ion_ | I gonna try it ... |
| 00:56.03 | byrd_cleveland | would that affect xterm etc. as well? |
| 00:56.03 | rysiek|pl | ion_: yup. FPC and Lazarus will allow you to write cross-platform apps, including graphical ones |
| 00:56.26 | rysiek|pl | ion_: I have an OpenGL project somewhere written with Lazarus/FPC |
| 00:56.31 | thewanderer1 | byrd_cleveland: a shell init file - yes, otherwise no |
| 00:57.14 | tuggle | rysiek|pl: Well, that#s not very precise but thanks anyway. I found it already on my own :) |
| 00:57.24 | ion_ | rysiek|pl: can I see it, please... |
| 00:57.56 | rysiek|pl | ion_: mheh, I am not sure you want to see it, but sure |
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| 00:59.03 | ion_ | rysieK|pl: I think I can learn from other people code ...specially if I can talk with the owner..as you can see I have no experience in programing .. |
| 00:59.13 | byrd_cleveland | okay - i recently tried to replace gdm with cdm - a textbased displaymanager (http://cdm.ghost1227.com/) via make install. |
| 00:59.20 | rysiek|pl | ion_: in that case my code will not help you at all |
| 00:59.33 | thewanderer1 | byrd_cleveland: hm, I think it was a mistake then :P |
| 00:59.37 | rysiek|pl | ion_: you better start off with examples given with LAzarus/FPC |
| 00:59.44 | ion_ | rysiek|pl: why ? |
| 00:59.51 | byrd_cleveland | but unfortunately do not know how to fix that can you give me a hint? |
| 00:59.54 | rysiek|pl | ion_: and visit http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ |
| 01:00.13 | rysiek|pl | ion_: because it'd be much too much to try to understand at once |
| 01:00.46 | cirwin | byrd_cleveland: given that their website doesn't work, I don't have any confidence :p |
| 01:01.00 | rysiek|pl | ion_: my code is using some external libs, plus OpenGL, etc, so you'd be fighting your way through it to try to learn from it |
| 01:01.00 | cirwin | though it sounds interesting |
| 01:01.10 | rysiek|pl | ion_: better start with something much, much simpler |
| 01:01.20 | byrd_cleveland | to have the old loginshell back would be enough for me |
| 01:01.23 | rysiek|pl | ion_: and work your way up to complex things |
| 01:02.05 | ion_ | rysiek|pl: okay but thanks anyway ... |
| 01:02.32 | ion_ | rysiek|pl: one last question how long did you take to write down you project ? |
| 01:02.42 | rysiek|pl | ion_: cheers. the Lazarus/FPC community is really helpful; try joining the #lazarus and #fpc channels |
| 01:02.53 | rysiek|pl | humm |
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| 01:03.55 | rysiek|pl | ion_: bzr log tells me it was 6 months, but I wasn't working on it day in day out |
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| 01:07.38 | thewanderer1 | byrd_cleveland: ok, then fire up Debian with init=/bin/bash kernel parameter and rescue your system |
| 01:08.24 | byrd_cleveland | okay, thanks |
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| 01:11.20 | thewanderer1 | by the way byrd_cleveland, did you really replace login with this script? |
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| 01:12.27 | byrd_cleveland | i am not abselutely sure, but it seems to me that the problem appeared when i tried to install cdm |
| 01:13.45 | thewanderer1 | the code seems mostly clean |
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| 01:14.06 | thewanderer1 | so you should be able to just revert the install by fixing some configs and not worry too much about rootkits |
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| 01:16.55 | abrotman | why doesn't init=/bin/bash work ? |
| 01:17.13 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: hm, I don't know, last time it worked for me |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | i'm asking byrd_cleveland |
| 01:17.41 | thewanderer1 | I think that he didn't state it did not work... |
| 01:17.59 | byrd_cleveland | correct - did not try it yet |
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| 01:19.38 | zr0 | i'm having issues with the synaptics touchpad on my laptop.. it doesn't seem to respond to 25% of my taps.. |
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| 01:20.46 | zr0 | i've gone back and forth tweaking options in my xorg.conf, but i can't seem to make the touchpad more sensitive |
| 01:21.15 | rysiek|pl | humm |
| 01:21.22 | thewanderer1 | zr0: perhaps it's a hardware issue? |
| 01:21.26 | rysiek|pl | guys, I need a push in the right direction |
| 01:21.46 | zr0 | thewanderer1: it works fine in windows vista |
| 01:21.46 | rysiek|pl | had an experimental repo added, now disabled it and trying to downgrade back to original packages |
| 01:21.52 | rysiek|pl | any pointers? |
| 01:22.02 | thewanderer1 | rysiek|pl: yes - you're "toast" :) |
| 01:22.24 | rysiek|pl | thewanderer1: how much of a toast |
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| 01:22.34 | thewanderer1 | as in, it almost has the butter on the top |
| 01:22.45 | rysiek|pl | that is really helpful |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: use aptitude |
| 01:22.53 | rysiek|pl | thank you for your valuable input |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: please ignore thewanderer1 |
| 01:23.15 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: ok, sounds good (both, actually) |
| 01:23.27 | Rusty1_64 | zr0: there is a tpconfig package out there, no idea |
| 01:23.32 | Hydroxide | Merry Christmas UTC to all |
| 01:23.34 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: what should I look for? |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | looks at Hydroxide |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: which package do you want to downgrade? you can use -t or you can specify with = |
| 01:25.09 | zr0 | Rusty1_64: cool, i'll try that out |
| 01:25.15 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: many. the whole kde -_-' |
| 01:25.23 | Hydroxide | abrotman: yes, I'm a secular Jew. Not everyone is. :) |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i'm kidding ... i'm half, i know the feeling |
| 01:25.47 | Hydroxide | abrotman: ya :) |
| 01:25.48 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: is there a way to automagically filter out all the packages that are in more recent versions than currently avaliable in the repos? |
| 01:26.02 | abrotman | !tell rysiek|pl about which repo |
| 01:26.04 | rysiek|pl | 's an atheist |
| 01:26.07 | rysiek|pl | happy grav-mass |
| 01:26.43 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | Hydroxide: hope you're having a good night anyway :) |
| 01:26.58 | Hydroxide | abrotman: to some other people I said "Erev Yom Huledet Yehoshua Sameach", but that's too ironic, obscure, and timezone-dependent :) |
| 01:27.04 | Hydroxide | thanks, you too :) |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | "Happy Holidays" :) |
| 01:27.39 | Hydroxide | heh ... I get enough of that in store windows and on radio stations that play the same 40-60 holiday songs for a whole month :) |
| 01:27.58 | Hydroxide | ok, back to your regularly scheduled on-topicness, such as it is :) |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | Hydroxide: my co-workers gave me a dradel at our holiday party :) |
| 01:28.14 | Hydroxide | hah, nice, if a bit past the end of chanukah |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | it was on the 16th or something like that |
| 01:28.46 | Hydroxide | ya, still late - but chanukah came early this year so close enough |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | yeah .. i know, but the thought was nice |
| 01:29.01 | Hydroxide | ok, we really should go to /msg or #-offtopic now :) |
| 01:29.02 | Hydroxide | yeah |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | still isn't sure how he never ran into Hydroxide at DC10 :( |
| 01:29.54 | Hydroxide | abrotman: I think we actually interacted, but I didn't realize you were the person who said his name was "Alex" until too late. and I might have been wrong |
| 01:30.20 | Hydroxide | I was under a lot of stress, which is common for DebConf organizers every year ... it's an intense process. |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | Hydroxide: yeah i know .. i think maybe you were on the train to coney island with me .. i can't recall |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | anyway .. another time i hope |
| 01:32.07 | Hydroxide | abrotman: I didn't make it to the daytrip, due to aforementioned stress. but, yes, another time. I'll be in NYC most of the time through at least May 2014. |
| 01:32.11 | Hydroxide | (law school) |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:32.20 | Hydroxide | seriously, though, /msg at this point :) |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | i know i know :) |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i'll let you know next time i'm headed up |
| 01:33.13 | Hydroxide | cool |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | now, back to Debian! :) |
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| 01:34.44 | ion_ | sorry I forgot ..... |
| 01:35.17 | ahri | what's the best way to re-install all packages? or check them for consistency? my hdd seems to be failing and i need to get stuff working even if it kills the hdd |
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| 01:35.48 | ion_ | MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE......!!!!! |
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| 01:36.36 | nsadmin | ahri: you might want to back up first |
| 01:37.15 | ahri | nsadmin: yeah, that's covered |
| 01:37.20 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: ok, I have the list of packages needed to be downgraded |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: so you fcan use aptitude get them downgtraded |
| 01:37.50 | rysiek|pl | abrotman: now, aptitude reinstall <packages> fails; and aptitude remove tries to remove other packages as well |
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| 01:37.55 | nsadmin | ok, so you've backed up... good. next thing to do is replace the drive |
| 01:38.55 | ahri | nsadmin: it will be, but right now i need to try to get packages working, regardless of whether they'll still be working next time i boot, or some random time when the hdd writes badly and dies |
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| 01:39.25 | ahri | so i'd like to check the consistency of the installed packages against the .debs, if possible |
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| 01:39.41 | ahri | alternatively, to force reinstall of every package |
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| 01:41.08 | ahri | i appreciate that what i'm asking is not good practice, and i won't be back blaming anyone when (not if) it ends badly |
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| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | what is the actual problem you're trying to solve |
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| 01:50.25 | peterrooney | ahri: what I do as a check against file corruption is to install debsums (and use it) as early as possible in the installation process |
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| 01:53.44 | WormFood | what is the deal with debian and flash and sound and pulse audio...why does this shit not work right? |
| 01:54.11 | xindz | Hey, I have a problem with my Samba server. I can see the machine from my windows computer but i can't login. Tried with root and my other useraccount. Were can i change so i can use the built in account? |
| 01:55.19 | ziroux | xindz: #samba |
| 01:55.59 | ziroux | WormFood: the deal is it doesn't work right until you fix it ;) |
| 01:56.22 | WormFood | why is it broken as a default? |
| 01:57.23 | ziroux | WormFood: no idea. many things just installed doesn't work as default, despite of it is in the repo |
| 01:57.37 | Rusty1_64 | WormFood: perhaps describing the problem with reference to hardware, software versions and the like would get some help |
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| 01:58.13 | Rusty1_64 | cat complaints >>/dev/null |
| 01:58.35 | WormFood | pulseaudio appears to work, but when any sounds plays with flash, nothing else can use the sound card |
| 01:58.36 | ziroux | hehe |
| 01:58.56 | ziroux | Rusty1_64: for now it is /dev/{ziroux,Rusty1_64} ;) |
| 01:59.55 | ziroux | WormFood: try to turn it off and on again || google it |
| 02:00.31 | WormFood | turn what off/on again? |
| 02:00.41 | Rusty1_64 | WormFood: do you need pulseaudio ? |
| 02:00.53 | WormFood | no, I don't suppose i need it |
| 02:01.06 | Rusty1_64 | i uninstalled it and stuck with alsa |
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| 02:01.47 | Rusty1_64 | there are instances when you might want it, certain devices i guess |
| 02:02.15 | ziroux | just get ubuntu or rtfm ;p ;) ;) |
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| 02:02.35 | WormFood | pulseaudio is waaay more trouble than it is worth |
| 02:03.09 | WormFood | I think Microsoft sponsors the development of pulseaudio to cause disruption of sound in the Linux world. |
| 02:03.14 | ziroux | WormFood: oh come on, it's just sound. where could it be trouble here? ;) |
| 02:03.36 | blackest_knight | hi guys i am totally baffled by a nas problem the drive is fat32 and it seems to have 2 sets of files ones i put on locally and ones i put on via the nas thing is the ones put on via the nas can't be seen when i connect locally and the ones put on llocally are invisible to the nas |
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| 02:04.28 | tabakhase | what was the name of this "dummyhttpd" (perl=) script? |
| 02:04.45 | tabakhase | it was a webserver that always returns 200 |
| 02:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no eye, dear |
| 02:06.22 | tabakhase | grr, googleing without a decent keyword is kind of kidding |
| 02:06.43 | WormFood | tabakhase, I can do it with echo and netcat |
| 02:07.26 | tabakhase | all i need is no "deadloding" on external pages while the apache is down |
| 02:08.20 | tabakhase | hm, http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php looks great |
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| 02:09.06 | rysiek|pl | guys, I have a list of many packages, and I want them reinstalled to whatever version is currently available in the repo |
| 02:09.14 | rysiek|pl | downgraded, actually |
| 02:09.17 | tabakhase | hm, missing https =( |
| 02:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !downgrade |
| 02:09.25 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 02:10.49 | rysiek|pl | right. |
| 02:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no automatic mechanisms present for downgrades for that reason, afaik |
| 02:12.46 | rysiek|pl | CutMeOwnThroat: okay, is there a way to *remove* them, without removing packages actually depending on them |
| 02:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude install <package> -t stable" or somesuch should try to install the correct version if you script it |
| 02:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... "dpkg -r packagename" |
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| 02:14.35 | rysiek|pl | here goes nothing! |
| 02:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | installing them again afterwards with just the correct repo might work... except for the config file issue |
| 02:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and perhaps some others I forgot :) |
| 02:15.25 | rysiek|pl | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg: error processing libsyndication4 (--remove): |
| 02:15.25 | rysiek|pl | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.30 | rysiek|pl | err |
| 02:15.57 | fonzi | 'ps -e' shows many 'sleep' processes. how do these come about? will they slow the system? |
| 02:16.39 | MindWarper | just press the snooz button |
| 02:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | --force-depends-version |
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| 02:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | err --force-depends, I guess |
| 02:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | all not so great... |
| 02:17.17 | ziroux | rysiek|pl: CzeÅÄ Rysiek! :D |
| 02:17.30 | rysiek|pl | ziroux: EHLO |
| 02:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | downgrading a lot of packages just doesn't work well... best to wait for repos to catch up |
| 02:17.57 | rysiek|pl | CutMeOwnThroat: won't work. kde 4.4.5 in squeeze, used 4.5.1 from some testing repo |
| 02:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | kde is exactly the type of thing that could throw you into some config-hell issue, though |
| 02:19.38 | ziroux | rysiek|pl: zdrowych, pogodnych i napij sie czegoÅ stary ;) ;) |
| 02:19.46 | MindWarper | is listening to Dj_Sunset_-_The_Sunshine.mp3 |
| 02:19.54 | ziroux | 250 |
| 02:20.04 | rysiek|pl | ziroux: dziÄks i wzajem :) |
| 02:20.19 | rysiek|pl | wÅaÅnie trzeźwieje po wodzie ognistej z rodzinkÄ
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| 02:21.08 | MindWarper | Ive eared about code obfuscation but this is ridicule. |
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| 02:22.47 | MindWarper | rysiek|pl is that kilingon ? |
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| 02:22.58 | blackest_knight | polish |
| 02:24.08 | blackest_knight | wÅaÅnie |
| 02:24.12 | rysiek|pl | MindWarper: kill-in-gone... nice. :) |
| 02:27.45 | MindWarper | thats the beauty of abstract art every one sees what the heck it wants to read |
| 02:28.38 | MindWarper | i only know one word in polish |
| 02:28.55 | MindWarper | kurwa |
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| 02:29.23 | MindWarper | thats polish ? right ? |
| 02:29.31 | blackest_knight | yes |
| 02:29.39 | rysiek|pl | MindWarper: and that's the one word you'd most probably ever need |
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| 02:31.01 | blackest_knight | rysiek thats bitter ;) |
| 02:32.18 | blackest_knight | wesoly swiat ( i think0 |
| 02:34.21 | ziroux | try kórwa |
| 02:34.35 | rysiek|pl | córva |
| 02:34.40 | ziroux | sound the same but more cool |
| 02:34.52 | rysiek|pl | voolva |
| 02:34.55 | ziroux | s/v/w/g |
| 02:34.56 | rysiek|pl | *coolva |
| 02:35.07 | MindWarper | ó_ó |
| 02:35.08 | ziroux | v is gay |
| 02:35.16 | ziroux | or german |
| 02:35.28 | ziroux | as in kurve |
| 02:35.57 | rysiek|pl | that would be Ein Prostitutearbaitfrau |
| 02:36.07 | rysiek|pl | /joke |
| 02:36.37 | rysiek|pl | just like "think tank" in German is "Ein Denkenpanzerkampfwagen" |
| 02:36.48 | rysiek|pl | /oh look another one |
| 02:37.01 | ziroux | great one |
| 02:37.05 | systm | i'm trying to instal flash, i've added backports, i've tried flashplugin-nonfree, i looked at the instructions for backports, but it's still unable to find the package |
| 02:37.08 | MindWarper | in germany they use twice the number of pens pre capita |
| 02:37.43 | fonzi | wtf, euros have taken over #debian. |
| 02:37.45 | MindWarper | and paper |
| 02:37.55 | ziroux | rysiek|pl: Denkpanzer should be shorter ,but they like it longer ;) |
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| 02:38.14 | MindWarper | ¤¤¤ |
| 02:38.33 | ziroux | lol |
| 02:38.38 | ziroux | bier ist kaputt |
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| 02:39.04 | ziroux | good i have more beer |
| 02:39.08 | rysiek|pl | lmao |
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| 02:39.21 | ziroux | god bless ETOH |
| 02:39.50 | rysiek|pl | there must be a way to test kde 4.6 RC1 on Debian without compiling it myself |
| 02:40.08 | MindWarper | beer is environmentally friendly |
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| 02:40.56 | MindWarper | can you figuere this one out rysiek|pl |
| 02:41.07 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 02:42.00 | ziroux | MindWarper: did u try _cold_ vodka + herring or picle? It's also ENV friendly and much more fun ;) |
| 02:43.53 | ziroux | it could overflow your stack in a minute, no just flodinng it like a beer ;) |
| 02:44.24 | MindWarper | i bet that works wonders in snowy weather |
| 02:44.56 | rysiek|pl | it does. |
| 02:44.59 | MindWarper | its like having a furnace inside |
| 02:45.01 | ziroux | eagels mostly |
| 02:46.08 | MindWarper | is it me or you guys aren't making sense anymore ...? |
| 02:46.44 | MindWarper | on second thought its not like you ever did |
| 02:47.15 | ziroux | MindWarper: alcohol reduce resisstance to cold, but vodka is refreshing |
| 02:47.53 | MindWarper | strange i allways feel hot on vodcka |
| 02:47.59 | MindWarper | :P |
| 02:49.04 | ziroux | Rum in low doses may get u out of snow, but generraly it helps hipotermia |
| 02:49.06 | rysiek|pl | whoa. my kde works again. |
| 02:49.15 | rysiek|pl | successful downgrade is successful |
| 02:49.20 | ziroux | rysiek|pl: xmas gift ;) |
| 02:49.53 | MindWarper | are you on debian mint ? |
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| 02:51.46 | MindWarper | can some one voice me on wikileaks? |
| 02:54.09 | MindWarper | im gone start my own site it gonna be called wikiclicks |
| 02:54.31 | thewanderer1 | Jimmy's not gonna be glad |
| 02:54.32 | tabakhase | schnittstelle.MYD 78% 632MB 70.2MB/s 00:02 ETA <3 gigabit |
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| 02:54.56 | tabakhase | external to him: 5minutes, from him to his brother 54 seconds oO |
| 02:55.14 | ziroux | rysiek|pl: to żeÅmy wykrakali ;) |
| 02:55.25 | Aenigma | when I boot debian, the network manager fails to start my network connections. It is running, however, and I can start them using ifconfig. how can I make this automatic? The problem is outlined in http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager and I followed the instructions but I get no change even after reboot and restart of networkmanager |
| 02:55.58 | Aenigma | I just did an update to squeeze from lenny |
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| 02:57.17 | MindWarper | juicy |
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| 02:58.21 | MindWarper | good Luke squeezing the Lenny |
| 02:59.46 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: put your connections in /etc/network/interfaces ... |
| 03:00.13 | MindWarper | like in everything with software you did it "at your own risk" |
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| 03:01.32 | MindWarper | any one using Mint ? |
| 03:01.38 | iuri | Hi there, i installed debian lenny and the i installed ssh package but i can't connect into it |
| 03:02.26 | iuri | i already check iptables looking for firewall blocking, i also look at /etc/hosts.deny /etc/hosts.allow |
| 03:02.36 | iuri | everything is fine |
| 03:02.36 | MindWarper | iuri: why use SSH unless you are an american agent ? |
| 03:02.53 | iuri | what do you mean? |
| 03:03.10 | ziroux | iuri: check from outside with nmap, nc, whatever |
| 03:03.33 | MindWarper | i mean with the wikileaks storie |
| 03:03.37 | iuri | that isn;t the reason |
| 03:03.41 | iuri | even worst |
| 03:03.48 | iuri | even weird |
| 03:03.59 | iuri | i can do ssh out |
| 03:04.04 | iuri | but i can ssh in |
| 03:04.22 | MindWarper | *g* |
| 03:04.26 | iuri | i can't |
| 03:04.29 | Aenigma | thewanderer1: when I run NetworkManager --no-daemon I get lines saying "/sys/class/net/eth0: couldn't determine device driver; ignoring..." |
| 03:04.31 | iuri | i can;t do ssh in |
| 03:05.08 | ziroux | iuri: just check the port from outside. you're connectong from different port out tnan in (default 22) |
| 03:05.26 | nickdaly` | <-- working on adding sound to xevil |
| 03:05.28 | iuri | i am using 22 |
| 03:05.47 | thewanderer1 | lines up to xevil with sound |
| 03:06.00 | MindWarper | http://boycottboa.org/ /me wonders who owns this domain :) |
| 03:06.02 | ziroux | iuri: ifyou do: nmap -p22 mentioned_host what do u get? |
| 03:06.03 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: fall back to the traditional method of managing interfaces, then |
| 03:06.13 | iuri | http://pastebin.com/VeNEegQE |
| 03:06.20 | nickdaly` | looking at the source, it seems fairly simple |
| 03:06.40 | Aenigma | that's what I did. It's just the gnome applications think I don't have a net connection and refuse to work. |
| 03:06.47 | nickdaly` | maybe I'll be able to finish it over the christmas holiday :) |
| 03:07.04 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: stop network-manager altogether :) |
| 03:07.26 | thewanderer1 | nickdaly`: so you're recording yourself and putting that in game? |
| 03:07.43 | nickdaly` | hahaha |
| 03:08.01 | nickdaly` | I'll add an evil laugh to the beginning of each level. |
| 03:08.13 | jhutchins | How do you tell the difference between a load spike and a DDOS? |
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| 03:09.10 | MindWarper | this chat is full of noobs |
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| 03:09.27 | kanzure | is squeeze the latest experimental branch? |
| 03:09.40 | iuri | ziroux, nmap return 22/tcp open ssh |
| 03:09.41 | MindWarper | lets go DDOS wikileaks site |
| 03:09.42 | jhutchins | MindWarper: Yeah, I've only been working with computers since 1973. |
| 03:09.45 | thewanderer1 | kanzure: no, you're somewhat mistaken :P |
| 03:10.11 | thewanderer1 | iuri: do you run denyhosts? |
| 03:10.18 | nickdaly` | jhutchins: there isn't much of one, technically. one is just full of people who have less intent of actually consuming your web services... |
| 03:10.26 | MindWarper | you need recycling |
| 03:10.52 | iuri | thewanderer1, there is nothing on the file /etc/hosts.deny |
| 03:10.56 | kanzure | thewanderer1: please correct me :( |
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| 03:11.04 | thewanderer1 | iuri: okay, but are you running denyhosts package? |
| 03:11.20 | iuri | i have to instal; it |
| 03:11.26 | andares | hey, does anyone know how to make nvidia's twinview not show full-screen apps on both screens? |
| 03:11.31 | jhutchins | kanzure: sid/unstable and experimental aren't really 'branches' - arguably they're not releases. |
| 03:11.32 | andares | or is it a gnome issue? |
| 03:11.44 | thewanderer1 | kanzure: squeeze is the current testing branch - the distro that will become stable |
| 03:11.49 | jhutchins | kanzure: They are software pools that feed testing. |
| 03:11.52 | thewanderer1 | andares: I'd bet GNOME |
| 03:12.06 | andares | thewanderer1: hm, I could verify easily, of course. |
| 03:12.30 | iuri | thewanderer1, i dont even have it installed. how could i possibly be running it |
| 03:12.33 | iuri | ? |
| 03:13.22 | ziroux | iuri: any ip conflicts on the network? || dunno |
| 03:13.26 | thewanderer1 | iuri: ok. now run sshd on the server with debug option and see what it says |
| 03:13.32 | ziroux | more vv |
| 03:13.45 | MindWarper | coool another bug hunt :^) |
| 03:14.16 | iuri | ziroux, no ip conflicts there are only two machines .3 and ,4 |
| 03:14.31 | andares | thewanderer1: a different wm didn't help at all. |
| 03:14.40 | ziroux | iuri: i suggets more verbosa and debug + me more beer |
| 03:14.45 | thewanderer1 | andares: then bug nVidians about that :) |
| 03:14.47 | ziroux | done |
| 03:14.53 | MindWarper | you got love technical jokes |
| 03:14.55 | andares | thewanderer1: they're legendarily unhelpful. |
| 03:15.01 | iuri | thewanderer1, how do i run sshd verbose? |
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| 03:15.15 | thewanderer1 | iuri: man sshd |
| 03:15.15 | ziroux | Happy Hogswath! |
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| 03:15.57 | jhutchins | loans ziroux a c. |
| 03:16.17 | ziroux | tx :) |
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| 03:19.06 | ziroux | a've lost some carbon. or more probably vit. c |
| 03:19.10 | iuri | thewanderer1, well i read man but it doesn't helped me that much |
| 03:19.24 | ziroux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L-Ascorbic_acid.svg yep, ho ho ho |
| 03:19.39 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 03:20.06 | thewanderer1 | `/etc/init.d/ssh stop; sshd -d` |
| 03:20.16 | thewanderer1 | it's about time I parted, though |
| 03:20.16 | ziroux | ho ho ho h.. o oh.. o |
| 03:20.21 | ziroux | and it's lost |
| 03:21.59 | iuri | thewanderer1, why can i ssh out but i can't ssh in then? |
| 03:22.03 | iuri | it make no sense to me |
| 03:22.17 | iuri | it makes |
| 03:22.24 | thewanderer1 | see what the debug says |
| 03:22.29 | thewanderer1 | I need to get some sleep at 4:22 am :P |
| 03:22.33 | iuri | i pasted here |
| 03:22.52 | iuri | i pasted on pastebin |
| 03:23.33 | iuri | i pasted on pastebin http://pastebin.com/VeNEegQE |
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| 03:26.09 | ziroux | i: oh it makes perfect senst~ |
| 03:26.20 | ziroux | uhm 2 late |
| 03:28.24 | ziroux | anybody beer? found two |
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| 03:32.20 | pepez | Hi, using "loadkeys" what is better to use for an uk or us keyboard? loadkeys us or loadkeys qwerty/us? using spanish keyboard I need to specify qwerty/es, any idea? |
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| 03:50.25 | jimmybgood | iuri: you don't have your privated key in /home/iuri/.ssh |
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| 03:52.39 | crazygir | it is possible to reinstall a debian system, remotely, using an existing install, in some way/shape/form? |
| 03:53.37 | crazygir | I have a 64bit system I need to reinstall as 32bit debian, but I only have remote access (otherwise I need to wait until late next week before an admin of mine can get there) |
| 03:55.38 | Aenigma | crazygir: yes. I don't know if there are better ways to do it, but you can do it by using a chroot |
| 03:56.21 | Aenigma | similarly to how you'd do a gentoo install |
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| 04:01.40 | Bushmills | crazygir: debootstrap |
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| 04:05.42 | crazygir | Aenigma: how would you use a chroot in that way? having started with gentoo a long while ago.. it required a livecd (and then enabling ssh). while I _could_ do that, I'm remote :) |
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| 04:12.34 | Aenigma | basically livecd or equivalent programs. Resize partitions to make room and go through the installation using a chroot and install on a new partition. install grub on it, boot into new system delete every other partition and resize partition. nasty and risky but should work |
| 04:12.36 | crazygir | Bushmills: ones I have the new install setup using debootstrap, how would I "swap" the old amd64 and i386 installs? |
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| 04:13.12 | crazygir | Aenigma: I'm working with a super small dis, so that wouldn't really work |
| 04:13.58 | Bushmills | you can swiitch directories. preferably from an alternate boot or rescue system. |
| 04:14.37 | crazygir | mmm |
| 04:15.04 | Aenigma | crazygir: you can always use disk space on your machine and scp it back in |
| 04:15.09 | Aenigma | :3 |
| 04:15.12 | crazygir | hah |
| 04:15.25 | Bushmills | don't forget about about a new kernel, which debootstrap won't install |
| 04:15.31 | crazygir | i might just have to wait for my admin :| |
| 04:15.53 | Aenigma | is there any reason it has to be done immediately |
| 04:15.57 | crazygir | yea, I don't think I have enough room to squeeze another install there |
| 04:16.34 | crazygir | Aenigma: I'd like to get my backup system running while I have some quiet time in the holidays, and because backups are important |
| 04:16.59 | Aenigma | and is there a reason it can't be done with 64bit? |
| 04:17.11 | crazygir | I currently have a working VM of the system, the hardware system has AMD64 and needs the VM's setup |
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| 04:17.43 | crazygir | the vendors installer works flawlessly with i386 and is attrocious with amd64 |
| 04:17.52 | crazygir | Aenigma: ^ |
| 04:18.36 | crazygir | I guess I will have to be patient |
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| 04:59.34 | nyRednek | ok, i have a cdma usb dongle that i use to connect to the internet...i'd like to make it autoconnect upon being plugged in...how do i do this? |
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| 05:10.01 | jhutchins_lt | *poof* - iceweasel crashes again. |
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| 05:12.50 | crazygir | if you were using SVN (or another SCM) for configuration file management/tracking, would you use an intermediary working copy, separate from the actual config files? |
| 05:13.00 | crazygir | I'm trying to envision how to do this across a couple dozen systems |
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| 05:23.40 | Bushmills | i do daily full configuration archiving, to day of week directories, of which i keep one per week, of those one per month are kept. thus, more like traditional backup management. seemed more appropriate than version control management of config files. about 10 hosts i collect config files for. archived they're small enough so i don't bother about incremental storage. |
| 05:26.37 | Joelito | question: does the current kernel in testing (squeeze) has the free kernel that debian annouced? |
| 05:27.12 | Bushmills | a kernel having a kernel? |
| 05:28.41 | jordanm | Joelito: yes, it has non-free firmware removed |
| 05:29.11 | Joelito | oh |
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| 05:31.58 | Joelito | nice, because I'm using it :) |
| 05:32.26 | nyRednek | ok, google is my friend, i found the answers to my questions |
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| 05:41.11 | sylar | can lenny run 2.6.36 kernel? |
| 05:43.11 | cast | yes |
| 05:43.57 | sylar | so how is that done? compile myself? |
| 05:44.50 | cast | yip |
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| 05:46.29 | sylar | k, and the source where I get from? |
| 05:47.16 | sylar | even sid don't have 2.6.36 |
| 05:47.31 | cast | kernel.org |
| 05:48.19 | sylar | won't that be hard labor to install from what I would get there? |
| 05:48.32 | cast | not by my standards |
| 05:48.45 | cast | perhaps by ubuntu standards it would be |
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| 05:49.30 | sylar | k |
| 05:50.01 | sylar | it is a very long time since I last got kernels directly form kernel.org |
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| 06:13.25 | GinTonic | hello ,everyone |
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| 06:16.42 | cast | hello |
| 06:16.48 | folklore2 | I love me some debian |
| 06:16.55 | folklore2 | but admittely I love me some ubuntu more |
| 06:17.09 | folklore2 | is like that perfect cup of coffee, mmm |
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| 06:18.46 | cast | i <3 debian-live |
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| 06:20.30 | folklore2 | haven't tried that one |
| 06:20.43 | folklore2 | does it blow your mind? :o |
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| 06:22.53 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys Settings get set to default after restart, i am not sure why this happens expect i recently changed my monitor? |
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| 06:23.01 | nirazio | Some weeks ago I've disabled the shadow of my top panel. And now I want to re-enable the shadow. I doesn't remember how I disable the shadow, but I already know I haven't done it with Compiz. So the solution with ccsm & window decoration won't help me. I'm really sure I've edited a text file and restarted the panel to drop the shadow.Can anyone help??? |
| 06:23.35 | cast | it does |
| 06:23.39 | cast | it is much win |
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| 06:29.13 | iluminator101 | whats the easiest way to upgrade kernels in debian squeeze? |
| 06:30.03 | KB1JWQ | aptitude |
| 06:30.30 | iluminator101 | i know but...kernel that i want is not available |
| 06:32.58 | nyRednek | iluminator101: make bzImage |
| 06:33.07 | cast | use make-pkg |
| 06:33.12 | cast | use make-kpkg* |
| 06:33.31 | nyRednek | cast: ok, my slackware roots were kinda showing |
| 06:34.26 | cast | !info kernel-package |
| 06:34.27 | iluminator101 | it could be availabe in unstable? |
| 06:34.52 | dpkg | kernel-package: (A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.), section kernel, is optional. Version: 12.036+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 492 kB, Installed size: 2316 kB |
| 06:36.48 | iluminator101 | thanks guys happy holidays |
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| 06:40.32 | pepez | Hi, on my laptop, xrand shows max resolution that my laptop supports and show a "big screen" instead of a correct one, any idea how to show xrandr to use correct values automatically? thx |
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| 07:41.34 | GinTonic | hi ,guys |
| 07:42.32 | GinTonic | when i use emscs23 to compile java program ,it show messege :"error in process filter: bsh-compilation-buffer: Wrong type argument: numver-or-marker-p "0"" |
| 07:43.32 | GinTonic | does someone have seen this problem ! |
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| 07:50.39 | samantha- | is squeeze-backports now open, with the feature freeze now in place? |
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| 07:52.08 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 07:52.36 | nsadmin | look at backports.debian.org |
| 07:53.46 | samantha- | it doesn't actually say. but adding squeeze-backports to sources.list produces (empty) index files. good enough for me. |
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| 08:35.28 | superlinux | hi. I am an Arab. I'd love to write a howto in arabic about something that's lately introduced to the Linux OS. I am talking about any project that is in production for not more than a year. please guide me to such new projects so I can write an article/howto in Arabic about it. |
| 08:36.13 | ThePub | trolling isn't good :) |
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| 08:37.29 | nsadmin | superlinux: howbout looking at slashdot.org |
| 08:37.43 | nsadmin | or linux weekly news |
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| 08:37.54 | nsadmin | or debian weekly news if that's still maintained |
| 08:37.57 | superlinux | nsadmin, I don't want news as in political news. |
| 08:38.24 | nsadmin | what you want is what's new |
| 08:38.25 | superlinux | i mean in same trend of the TV news |
| 08:38.44 | nsadmin | have you checked? |
| 08:39.13 | superlinux | nsadmin, what is for example the most hottest software people are talking about now? |
| 08:39.36 | nsadmin | have you checked slashdot and its equivs? |
| 08:39.46 | superlinux | not yet |
| 08:39.50 | superlinux | i'll see |
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| 08:40.27 | superlinux | nsadmin, can you give me yourself a software name? |
| 08:40.48 | nsadmin | ok. |
| 08:40.49 | jelly-hme | superlinux: read lwn.net, there're a number of nice features |
| 08:40.58 | nsadmin | you are now called superlinuxsoftware |
| 08:41.55 | superlinux | I always look for hottest and most exquisite topics. that's how I keep my reputation and fame in the forum I belong to. |
| 08:42.49 | superlinux | things that are not mentioned yet in the forum; I rush to make it mine |
| 08:42.58 | nsadmin | no, I suspect not always... my evidence for this is your resistance to doing the research work |
| 08:43.19 | jelly-hme | superlinux: this is a debian distro support channel. Try asking in #debian-offtopic or ##linux or some other relevant place. |
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| 08:43.46 | superlinux | nsadmin, I am not resisting I just talk too much, I am a teacher. :D |
| 08:45.41 | nsadmin | one thing you should be doing is watching for new kernel versions or git commits to come out of kernel.org |
| 08:46.16 | nsadmin | well s/should/could/ |
| 08:46.31 | nsadmin | I dunno how interested you are in the kernel |
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| 08:47.24 | superlinux | not really. i just liked the patch lately added to increase the desktop performance. |
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| 08:48.54 | nsadmin | I guess ocw.mit.edu is about to complete a section of its work |
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| 09:16.10 | nsisodiya | need help, how to list available packages |
| 09:16.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 09:16.19 | nsisodiya | using apt or any command ? |
| 09:16.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | are there tools to check to see if a fa file changes or a folder is deleted? |
| 09:16.36 | nsisodiya | please help ! |
| 09:16.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | besides tripwire.. |
| 09:16.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | list packages? |
| 09:16.58 | nsisodiya | How ? |
| 09:17.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | aptitude search packagename |
| 09:17.16 | Bushmills | Eryn_1983_FL: inotify. for example, through incron |
| 09:17.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | you looking for installed packages? |
| 09:17.25 | nsisodiya | I know apt-cache search pkgname but it will all,, installed + available |
| 09:17.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it cli? |
| 09:17.35 | nsisodiya | I want only available package |
| 09:17.37 | nsisodiya | from cli |
| 09:17.42 | nsisodiya | not from synaptic |
| 09:17.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | dunno |
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| 09:18.26 | Bushmills | incron? it is a daemon, with a text file to configure which events to trap, and how to respond to those |
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| 09:19.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 09:19.17 | Bushmills | editing that file with a GUI editor would make it a "GUI program" - with a console editor, i'd say it is cli |
| 09:19.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks Bushmills |
| 09:19.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying to figure out why my movies keep dissappearing.. |
| 09:20.08 | Bushmills | mice. |
| 09:20.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | i thought that too |
| 09:20.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 09:20.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont see any filesystem problems.. |
| 09:20.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | not that there couldnt be |
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| 09:20.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | but atleast i would be notifed when its gone and research from there. instead of going like i want to watch X and looking and X is not there anymore ! |
| 09:21.44 | xingu | Eryn_1983_FL: inotify-tools |
| 09:21.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | k |
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| 09:23.34 | nsisodiya | aptitude search also give installed + available package |
| 09:23.47 | nsisodiya | I want available packages |
| 09:24.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | why dont your just grep tat archives for the repos? |
| 09:24.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | they got text files with the available packages? |
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| 09:26.25 | nsisodiya | How ? |
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| 09:31.13 | kantor | Hello, I'm struggling for a few hours now, and I can not find out how to delete single emails in evolution. It is actually possible to do that ? or only emptying the trash is possible ? |
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| 09:37.13 | Big_Brother | How do i re-make a partition table? |
| 09:37.34 | Big_Brother | I'm rather locked out of my system because of the partition tables. |
| 09:38.26 | nsisodiya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:41.15 | i5noc | Big_Brother, do you know the old sizes of the partitions? |
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| 09:42.16 | stockholm | Big_Brother: there are tools that will scan the harddisk for potential starts of partitions |
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| 09:42.44 | cast | testdisk! |
| 09:43.03 | markvandenborre | I'm looking for a tool for the music academy where I work; we want to digitise our sheet music and add lots and lots of metadata to it |
| 09:43.13 | xingu | cast: you pipped me to the post |
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| 09:43.15 | Big_Brother | Stockholm, i did this once before manually... |
| 09:43.22 | xingu | Big_Brother: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download |
| 09:43.28 | markvandenborre | any idea what free software tool to use for that? |
| 09:44.01 | konraddo | hi, if i've used ati with official ati drivers, and now i changed graphic card to nvidia, how can i remove old drivers? |
| 09:44.04 | markvandenborre | (I realise the concept must sound very vague) |
| 09:44.24 | cast | markvandenborre: not so much, a specialist OCR |
| 09:44.46 | markvandenborre | cast: thanks for the hint, but it's not about ocr at all |
| 09:45.08 | markvandenborre | think sheet music in pdf format, without that kind of intelligence |
| 09:45.15 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:45.28 | cast | so are these pdfs of bitmaps? |
| 09:45.47 | markvandenborre | for example, or plain png/tiff/... |
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| 09:46.31 | markvandenborre | the idea is to tag them like easy, composer name, specific difficulty, ... |
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| 09:47.12 | markvandenborre | and keep a repertoire of students with the pieces they've played |
| 09:47.41 | cast | the metadata part seems easy enough |
| 09:47.43 | markvandenborre | in the easiest way possible (think "drag piece to student") |
| 09:47.57 | cast | though i don't have an answer to your original question evidently |
| 09:48.09 | markvandenborre | cast: it's all about usability, maintainability, and reusability of the metadata, ideally |
| 09:48.44 | markvandenborre | I know the question was _very_ broad |
| 09:49.55 | markvandenborre | any hints welcome |
| 09:50.02 | Big_Brother | Any channels for CPU tweakers? |
| 09:50.12 | konraddo | ##hardware maybe? |
| 09:50.26 | markvandenborre | I've been thinking plone document management, but the tagging part seems to be a little underdeveloped |
| 09:50.39 | markvandenborre | and I'd love to have the metadata available separately |
| 09:50.52 | markvandenborre | (for copyright reasons) |
| 09:51.04 | markvandenborre | that's not exactly easy either |
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| 09:58.07 | Araneidae | What am I doing wrong here? Have followed instructions on http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable lenny-backports, but when I try `aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree` I get the message "No candidate version found". |
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| 10:05.06 | ThePub | Araneidae: and you ran "apt-get update" as the instructions say? |
| 10:05.40 | Araneidae | Indeed |
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| 10:05.48 | geever | hi |
| 10:06.01 | ThePub | Araneidae: and if you do an "apt-cache search <keyword>" can you find the package in your cache? |
| 10:06.06 | Araneidae | It's very odd. Is there another package that should be in lenny-backports I can search for? |
| 10:06.11 | Araneidae | It's not in the cache |
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| 10:06.43 | geever | do you know why gnomebaker was removed from Squeeze? |
| 10:06.51 | ThePub | I'm not completely familiar with the backports, but does it work with nonfree stuff like flash or is it only FOSS software? |
| 10:07.08 | Araneidae | So I guess the first question is do I *really* have lenny-backports configured! I seem to, `aptitude update` shows lenny-backports being fetched |
| 10:07.17 | ThePub | Araneidae: although if it's not in your cache then there will not be anything to install. |
| 10:07.52 | Araneidae | Well, the package webpage shows it's in lenny-backports: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:08.05 | Araneidae | No sign on my machine though... |
| 10:08.11 | ThePub | yeah, just 2checked that :) |
| 10:08.29 | geever | What sw do you use for dvd burning? |
| 10:08.40 | geever | Once I used Brasero.... but it segfaulted during burning. so I don't trust it |
| 10:08.47 | geever | and now baker is removed :( |
| 10:10.10 | ThePub | Araneidae: It's part of Squeeze or I might actually be able to help, sorry :\ |
| 10:10.14 | ThePub | uses squeeze |
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| 10:10.48 | Araneidae | ThePub, still, there's one thing you can help with. |
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| 10:11.10 | Araneidae | How do I verify that I've actually got my selected package in my cache and configured properly? |
| 10:11.20 | Big_Brother | How do i re-make a partition table? I'm rather locked out of my system otherwise. |
| 10:11.43 | Araneidae | geever, wodim worked for me |
| 10:11.54 | ThePub | You should have a "deb" line for the backports in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:12.06 | Araneidae | Well, yes, I put it there ;) |
| 10:12.13 | ThePub | when you run "apt-get update" there should be information showing it pulling from the repository. |
| 10:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:12.25 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.2~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.2; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2 |
| 10:12.35 | Araneidae | Yes, that too. So seems I do have it |
| 10:12.49 | geever | Araneidae, cli tool is fine, I like them, but somedays I'm just lazy and I want a GUI tool :) |
| 10:12.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you add contrib to the backports line or just main |
| 10:12.55 | konraddo | how to turn xorg off? :F |
| 10:12.55 | Araneidae | lenny-backports/contrib |
| 10:12.58 | Araneidae | hmm |
| 10:13.03 | Araneidae | No, that's what's missing! |
| 10:13.09 | ThePub | good catch, thank you :) |
| 10:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | contrib non-free, actually |
| 10:13.19 | ThePub | was drowning ! |
| 10:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a flash plugin in dmm for lenny |
| 10:13.32 | Araneidae | yeah. Ok, I'll if I can figure how to get that working... |
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| 10:13.43 | ThePub | geever: idk about dvd's, but I've always used xfburn. |
| 10:14.18 | geever | Big_Brother, you loast your partition table or just have your boot loader fcked up? |
| 10:14.33 | geever | ThePub, on Gnome, or Xfce? |
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| 10:14.46 | geever | I wonder how xf stuff work on gnome |
| 10:14.58 | geever | I used k3b loong time ago on kde |
| 10:15.02 | ThePub | xfce isn't as locked into huge library sets like gnome and kde :) |
| 10:15.13 | geever | but I don't wanna install the half of the KDE for just one tool |
| 10:15.29 | ThePub | xfce is gtk-based so much of what you already have in gnome will be available. if you use gnome. |
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| 10:15.38 | geever | thx |
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| 10:15.43 | geever | I'm going to check it |
| 10:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Araneidae -about adobe flash |
| 10:15.52 | ThePub | doesn't use a DE but WMII |
| 10:15.56 | cahoot | wodim? growisofs? |
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| 10:16.34 | Big_Brother | Geever: loaded the HDD into a different system. |
| 10:16.53 | Big_Brother | So i need to re-make the partition table to what the new system has. |
| 10:17.18 | ThePub | Big_Brother: no, it's position in the chain probably changed so your grub and/or lilo configuration is probably pointing at the wrong spots |
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| 10:17.37 | cahoot | just use uuids |
| 10:17.48 | geever | I hate uuids |
| 10:17.48 | shirish | hi all, does anybody how to get javac |
| 10:18.00 | ThePub | shirish: install a JDK |
| 10:18.02 | geever | shirish, install openjdk |
| 10:18.03 | cahoot | geever: foolish |
| 10:18.14 | ThePub | UUID or LABEL is definitely more portable. |
| 10:18.29 | geever | no |
| 10:18.41 | ThePub | but that's fstab, and after grub/lilo :) |
| 10:18.49 | Big_Brother | Either way, i'm pretty much locked out of the system until i can fix the partition table. |
| 10:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on people, it's his choice... some people hate when their boot breaks whenever they plug in a disk, others hate uuids |
| 10:19.17 | cahoot | messing with the partition table is probably not the way forward |
| 10:19.21 | shirish | ThePub: geever: there is not just openjdk, there are many packages having that name, which one I should install ? |
| 10:20.27 | ThePub | shirish: go with openjdk as geever suggested. if you want to know more, definitely could read up. there are a ton of JDK options since Java was open-sourced. |
| 10:21.02 | ThePub | additionally I'm sure openjdk will be supported best under debian |
| 10:22.10 | shirish | ThePub: I just need the javac compiler to compile a few .java files. Just need to know which package to take. |
| 10:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell shirish -about apt-file |
| 10:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can find out... |
| 10:23.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for bin/javac else you get too many hits |
| 10:23.33 | shirish | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried the apt-file search and regexp, as you told. too many hits. |
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| 10:24.22 | shirish | CutMeOwnThroat: this is nice, didn't know you could do bin/binaryname. |
| 10:24.41 | shirish | apt-file search bin/javac is this good ? |
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| 10:25.17 | Big_Brother | ThePub: how do i fix this. |
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| 10:26.17 | Jemt | Hi. What command line program can I use to remove a user from a group ? |
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| 10:27.15 | shirish | ok guys, will try it out, thank you for the soda and the chips :) |
| 10:27.30 | shirish | Happy holidays and Merry Christmas ! |
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| 10:28.47 | Jemt | Ah, user mod |
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| 10:29.33 | Big_Brother | A10112 to XTremdreamer: you honestly think DDR can do dual channel ? XTremdreamer: yes XTremdreamer: I have done it |
| 10:29.59 | Big_Brother | Wrong channel. |
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| 10:32.10 | cast | of course DDR can do dual channel :| |
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| 10:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he cannot :-P |
| 10:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
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| 10:38.39 | cast | hah |
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| 10:40.09 | nirazio | I've got a 3-rd party proprietary application server daemon which can be started and stopped by couple of command lines. I need this daemon to start when the system starts up and correctly stopped on system shutting down. How do I correctly implement this? |
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| 10:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !init script |
| 10:40.46 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags> |
| 10:40.49 | az_ordog_maga | aloha hax0rs |
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| 10:42.50 | nirazio | I've got a 3-rd party proprietary application server daemon which can be started and stopped by couple of command lines. I need this daemon to start when the system starts up and correctly stopped on system shutting down. How do I correctly implement this? |
| 10:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked that 5 minutes ago and I answered it |
| 10:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or let dpkg answer it |
| 10:43.31 | nirazio | CutMeOwnThroat: What about startupapplications? |
| 10:43.45 | rozie | nirazio: look for skeleton in rc.d |
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| 10:44.17 | rozie | nirazio: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 10:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was all in the factoid! |
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| 10:44.36 | rozie | and README in the same place |
| 10:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | also linking to the relevant documentation |
| 10:46.41 | cast | i see the problem |
| 10:46.46 | cast | proprietary application |
| 10:47.34 | babilen | cast: Why would that be a problem? You can still write an init script for it, given that it implements the necessary commands |
| 10:49.33 | cast | well, if the vendor properly supported the OS he's trying to run it under, one would be rather surprised to find that they had omitted the part of the package that actually launched their daemon |
| 10:50.35 | babilen | cast: Yes, but we have no idea which application we are talking about and how it is supposed to be used. |
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| 10:51.20 | cast | we don't, but we do know that's it's proprietary which creates many potential problems ;P |
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| 11:00.21 | MJBrune | how can i fully reconfigure dpkg? |
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| 11:04.11 | mahen23 | MJBrune: define fully, then re and configure |
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| 11:04.40 | MJBrune | mahen23: define define. |
| 11:05.05 | ksk | tell us what you want to do. |
| 11:05.38 | MJBrune | i get issues like this dpkg: warning: files list file for package `libgudev-1.0-0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 11:05.44 | MJBrune | i wish to fix them |
| 11:05.46 | cast | is there a factoid for when someone asks a weird question, it normally because they're doing something very wrong |
| 11:06.03 | cast | how about we fix the warning |
| 11:06.44 | MJBrune | i dont want to remove the package... |
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| 11:07.06 | cast | reinstalling help at all? |
| 11:07.49 | MJBrune | i've forgotten how to reinstall in apt |
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| 11:08.10 | MJBrune | i started out in linux mint like 4 years ago or longer. I quickly moved to BSD though |
| 11:08.34 | geever | BSD don't have man? |
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| 11:08.58 | MJBrune | geever: no need to be snippy |
| 11:09.20 | MJBrune | geever: our man pages are organized and cleaner. |
| 11:09.47 | geever | apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 11:10.40 | MJBrune | that seemed to fix it |
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| 11:17.38 | ThePub | MJBrune: are you installing debian packages with dpkg? |
| 11:19.05 | ThePub | MJBrune: generally speaking you shouldn't get holes from dependencies unless you're forcing single archives into your system that are either; a) not correctly packaged or b) knowingly circumventing dependencies. |
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| 11:31.57 | wm4 | how can I create a debian package of a simple python program in 5 minutes? |
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| 11:33.14 | geever | wm4, I only created from a perl module it was quite straight forward. I've googled for it... |
| 11:33.17 | babilen | !checkinstall |
| 11:33.17 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
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| 11:33.49 | wm4 | babilen: I don't use make, though |
| 11:34.00 | babilen | wm4: Another approach is to use dh_make if you want to create a real Debian package. You should read the new maintainer guide and the Python policy |
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| 11:34.57 | wm4 | babilen: I have to admit, I don't really want to read the maintainer guides |
| 11:35.20 | wm4 | I once created a debian package for some c-like packages, and I don't feel like having this experience again |
| 11:35.30 | wm4 | s/packages/program/ |
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| 11:36.22 | babilen | wm4: Well, don't create a Debian package then. I would use distutils/setuptools and virtualenvs for that. |
| 11:37.38 | wm4 | is there some well know simple python program, whose debian package metafiles I could copy? |
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| 11:39.38 | cast | sure |
| 11:40.02 | wm4 | cast: well, which? |
| 11:40.18 | cast | s3cmd is relatively simple |
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| 11:41.13 | wm4 | cast: looks good, thanks |
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| 11:42.50 | babilen | wm4: You should still use dh_make for the initial debianisation. But I just shut up as you don't want to read the documentation. |
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| 11:45.53 | wm4 | well my biggest fear is that these scripts will make me do "stupid things" with my source directory... e.g. dh_make is complaining that my directory has no version in its name |
| 11:46.12 | babilen | which is a stupid thing anyway |
| 11:46.31 | wm4 | why? |
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| 11:47.55 | babilen | because you are not including the release version in the name of your tarball |
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| 11:48.04 | wm4 | but it's not a tarball |
| 11:48.25 | jerng | hi all! i recently installed a new cpu (i7-950), and the temperatures (in degrees) are in idle-mode 35,29,35,28. so, does this mean i distributed the thermal compound in an irregularly way? |
| 11:48.27 | babilen | what is it then? |
| 11:48.37 | wm4 | babilen: a normal source directory |
| 11:48.43 | wm4 | babilen: where I develop |
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| 11:49.08 | babilen | wm4: And how are people downloading it? |
| 11:49.21 | babilen | Or rather: In which form do you release your program? |
| 11:49.25 | wm4 | babilen: not at all (but it's a local git repository if that helps) |
| 11:49.26 | xindz | Hey, I want two users to have acces on the samefolder, how can i do that ? |
| 11:49.35 | xindz | to the* |
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| 11:50.17 | Bushmills | !permissions |
| 11:50.17 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 11:50.46 | vtts | wm4, if you use helper scripts, you have to make some compromises for them to work. But you can do _everything_ your way by not using any dh script. |
| 11:51.40 | babilen | wm4: Well, you can use tools like checkinstall to wrap the installed files in a Debian package or debianise the sources. Tools to look at comprise dh_make for the initial Debianisation (and debhelper in general) and maybe git-buildpackage or gitpkg |
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| 11:53.04 | babilen | wm4: #debian-mentors and #debian-python are good channels to discuss packaging related problems |
| 11:53.14 | wm4 | thanks |
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| 11:54.25 | cast | checkinstall is nasty |
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| 11:55.04 | babilen | cast: yes it is, but it is *one* way to create a "Debian package" |
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| 11:55.30 | babilen | especially if the maintainer refuses to read the NMG and relevant policies |
| 11:56.20 | tuggle | hi, if I created a lvm on a hard disk and the root should be on it how can I install debian on it without the installer? /boot will be on a usb stick. Is there a guide for such a thing? |
| 11:56.43 | babilen | wm4: I assume that you are already using distutils (or setuptools) -- what is wrong with the virtualenv+pip approach? Or in other words: Why do you actually want a Debian package? |
| 11:56.48 | tuggle | it is and extern hard disk |
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| 11:56.56 | wm4 | babilen: no, not using distutils |
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| 11:56.57 | tuggle | and->an |
| 11:57.23 | babilen | wm4: Why not? |
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| 11:57.57 | wm4 | babilen: why would I (even if, I'd prefer a Debian package... though I figure all python debian packages use distutils) |
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| 11:59.29 | babilen | wm4: Well, because most packaging tools can use the functionality provided by "setup.py", because it enables you to put your program in the cheeseshop, because you can install your program with pip/easy_install, ..... well, because it is the standard way of packaging Python?! |
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| 11:59.44 | cast | tuggle: and why do you want to install debian without using the installer? |
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| 12:00.26 | Bushmills | tuggle: debootstrap |
| 12:00.46 | cast | Bushmills: that's very terse instructions! |
| 12:01.02 | Bushmills | those are not instructions. just a pointer to what can be used |
| 12:01.27 | Bushmills | doc is available for it, no need for me to retype what has been written already |
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| 12:01.50 | cast | though not for what he wants to do, at least with stable |
| 12:01.51 | wm4 | babilen: also I've been awake for maybe 20 hours and just wanted to test it on my system |
| 12:02.10 | babilen | wm4: test what? |
| 12:02.13 | wm4 | right now my tolerance for this stuff is overly low |
| 12:02.16 | wm4 | babilen: the program |
| 12:02.43 | Bushmills | "extern hard disk" .. "root should be on it" ... |
| 12:03.00 | tuggle | Bushmills: thank you ! |
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| 12:03.51 | wm4 | and I wonder why creating a glorified .tar.gz is so hard |
| 12:03.57 | babilen | wm4: Just make sure your modules are in the PYTHONPATH (change it if necessary) and run the program? |
| 12:04.21 | qwertz | Hi, is there any possibility to log every activity of an root user on a machine to an external log host? |
| 12:04.36 | wm4 | babilen: no, I want it system-wide... |
| 12:04.44 | cast | qwertz: yes |
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| 12:05.21 | qwertz | cast: any hint what to look for? |
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| 12:08.37 | bolt | qwertz: on lenny, "snoopy". on squeeze you can apparently use auditd, but i haven't gotten it to log to syslog yet, so i dunno how to get it to log remotely |
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| 12:09.06 | qwertz | bolt: thanks, will have a look at |
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| 12:29.39 | wm4 | now dpkg-buildpackage isn't including my source files in the deb, although distutils seems to copy it into its build dir |
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| 12:34.30 | faliva | hi |
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| 12:34.56 | faliva | how can i add something to the package depends? i don't know what's meant by that, but someone suggested that i should add "python-pkg-resources (>= 0.6c9-1maemo2)" to the "package Depends:" in order to solve a problem i have |
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| 12:36.57 | wm4 | any other examples of simple packages of python programs in debian? preferable where the debian/* files are included in the program's home SCM |
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| 12:42.39 | wm4 | and actually distutils installation works |
| 12:42.50 | wm4 | just dpkg-buildpackage forgets half the files |
| 12:43.13 | vtts | or the rules are wrong |
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| 12:43.55 | wm4 | I copied the rules verbatim from s3cmd and changed the names in it, not sure what could be wrong |
| 12:44.07 | wm4 | it doesn't output any specific warnings either |
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| 12:46.43 | vtts | wm4, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-install |
| 12:47.14 | wm4 | vtts: s3cmd doesn't have it |
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| 12:49.14 | vtts | i do not know anything about s3cmd, maybe it should have it, maybe it should not copy those files, or maybe they should be invoked in a different manner. Anyway install file is one way of doing what you want |
| 12:50.15 | n0mad | hi $ uname -r 2.6.30.9-elive-686 i have no clue about kernels so, can i install custom linux-image-2.6.36-mfat (deb/ubuntu)? thanks (and what do i ned to read to understand) thanks :). Mry Cristmass ;] |
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| 12:56.42 | RA3OR | Merry Xmas all :D |
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| 12:58.49 | ThePub | Switch to a distro that's source-based and provides a more simple packaging format. :) |
| 13:00.50 | wm4 | I think I'm going to write a small script that packs files into a tar, and adds some deb stuff around it |
| 13:01.07 | wm4 | will take less than bothering with these debian dh scripts |
| 13:01.11 | n0mad | my sys is debian(based), i use it about 5years, just want to aply that 200lines patch (simple patch wont work) |
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| 13:08.26 | country0129 | OK. Networking Problem. Windows 7 can see my Ubuntu laptop on the network. 7 Machine wired to modem/router (327w Linksys). Laptop connected wireless. Can access Ubuntu folders from 7 Machine. Ubuntu keeps asking for username and password even though I'm entering properly to access shares in the Windows folder of Ubuntu. Windows Live Essentials installed on 7 machine, messenger removed to allow me to see others on network. I'd uni |
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| 13:10.08 | MrFrood | n0mad: if you go and abuse your search engine of choice there have been quite a few blog posts about doing what you want to do |
| 13:10.41 | cahoot | also this is #debian - not #debian(based) |
| 13:11.16 | country0129 | Does that mean I'm in the wrong place? |
| 13:11.28 | n0mad | is use debian repos, its fully allowed :) |
| 13:11.44 | country0129 | Thank you, Sir. |
| 13:12.26 | cahoot | country0129: ubuntu has a channel of it's own |
| 13:12.37 | country0129 | Been there, no joy. |
| 13:12.46 | country0129 | And to Samba. |
| 13:12.54 | cahoot | still - this is a channel for debiansupport |
| 13:13.05 | country0129 | And on Google until my mouse button wore out. |
| 13:13.28 | n0mad | MrFrood, im afraid to do something then i do not understand what i doo (foloving those blogs), i saw now that patch nad i wondered can i aplay it without much digging, |
| 13:13.31 | country0129 | I'm dumb as a hoe handle; so I don't know if it's a Debian problem or what. |
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| 13:13.47 | cahoot | looks like a ubuntu matter |
| 13:15.01 | country0129 | From what I've seen, the same problem happens with other distro's, too. I prefer Simply Mepis, but I got a lot further along with Ubuntu. If there's another distro that may be more friendly with windoze, I'm not averse to installing it. |
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| 13:16.13 | ThePub | seems google has a lot to say about such issues. |
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| 13:16.35 | ThePub | doesn't own a Windows machine to verify the solutions. |
| 13:17.24 | country0129 | I'm almost convince that it's a Debian/Win7 issue. I've involved MSSupport, and they're dumber than me. Ubuntu gurus haven't been able to help. SO! Asking the experts here if there's something. |
| 13:17.36 | cahoot | country0129: the point is - you use ubuntu - your problem isn't fpr #debian |
| 13:17.55 | country0129 | But isn't Ubuntu debian based? |
| 13:17.56 | ThePub | How can it be a Debian issue if ytou're using Ubuntu? Ubuntu ceased being Debian a long time ago. |
| 13:17.59 | ThePub | NO |
| 13:18.09 | ThePub | Just because it uses apt doesn't make it debian. |
| 13:18.19 | country0129 | Oh.....didn't know that. But Mepis is a debian distro? |
| 13:18.35 | cahoot | no - debian |
| 13:18.38 | cahoot | is |
| 13:19.03 | cahoot | there are a host of derivatives - they are not on topic here |
| 13:19.19 | country0129 | Well, thank you folks for your support. Can you recommend somewhere to go other than Ubuntu? |
| 13:19.37 | MrFrood | country0129: it's xmas morning in north america and xmas dinner tine in Europe - may I suggest try on the ubuntu channel again in a few hours time when there might be more people around |
| 13:19.53 | country0129 | Thank you, Sir. |
| 13:19.57 | country0129 | Out here. |
| 13:19.58 | ThePub | country0129: I would assume if you get a login over-and-over from the Windows box that there are 2 possibilities; first is that ubuntu doesn't support the windows 7 authentication method; second, windows 7 isn't configured to accept a non-windows connection. |
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| 13:20.25 | country0129 | This is correct. |
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| 13:20.44 | country0129 | However, I had everything working when I uninstalled Windows Live Essentials. |
| 13:20.52 | country0129 | Reinstalled, and everything quit working. |
| 13:21.15 | country0129 | Took off MSN Messenger, and all works except authentication on the Ubuntu box. |
| 13:21.17 | ThePub | country0129: try google, typing in simple searches with "windows 7", "ubuntu", etc.. there are is a bunch of info out there. people who have the same issues. maybe go read some of that stuff and compare it to your own problems to see if they match. |
| 13:21.40 | country0129 | I'll do it again. Again, thanks. |
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| 13:21.58 | ThePub | Windows is, as usual, Windows. It's not designed to be open :) |
| 13:22.20 | ThePub | wonders why people don't understand that O.o |
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| 13:25.29 | nirazio | On update i get this error http://pastebin.ca/2028893 can anyone help me??? |
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| 13:30.34 | nirazio | what happens when we uncomment GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub. |
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| 13:35.50 | vtts | nirazio, it uses device names when generating grub config with update-grub |
| 13:38.24 | nirazio | vtts: Can you explain a bit more pls |
| 13:39.00 | nirazio | vtts: I dont find any differences after uncommenting that line |
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| 13:40.12 | ThePub | beware, grub will explode on the next reboot! |
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| 13:41.58 | vtts | nirazio, check root=... option |
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| 13:42.26 | vtts | it specifies either /dev/sdXY or UUID=.... |
| 13:43.41 | nirazio | vtts: where that option will be present??? |
| 13:43.54 | vtts | /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 13:48.49 | nirazio | vtts: I have checked that file..I dont find any changes in that file |
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| 13:50.48 | Led_Zeppelin | has anyone used pNFS here? |
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| 13:52.26 | vtts | nirazio, did you run "update-grub" ? |
| 13:53.26 | nirazio | Yes i ran |
| 13:54.14 | rigved | can anyone tell me the link to check which packages are available in CD1 of Squeeze? |
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| 13:56.25 | rigved | never mind, got it! :) |
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| 13:58.35 | vtts | nirazio, pastebin output from "grep root /boot/grub/grub.cfg" from both configurations |
| 14:03.49 | nirazio | vtts: http://pastebin.ca/2028925 |
| 14:05.27 | vtts | nizario "dpkg -l | grep grub" |
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| 14:05.41 | vtts | sorry, nirazio |
| 14:05.58 | nirazio | It's oke wait a min |
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| 14:08.34 | nirazio | No change in that also..Oke no problem..Thank you vtts |
| 14:09.08 | vtts | nirazio, no, show me the output :) |
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| 14:10.05 | rigved | gnome, kde and xfce...does debian come with any other desktop environments like LXDE? |
| 14:10.23 | therealgalen | I'm trying to rip as much of Evolution out of Gnome in Debian unstable; the problem is that it wants to remove *everything* in Gnome |
| 14:10.41 | therealgalen | Can anybody suggest a course of action to kill Evolution? |
| 14:10.59 | vtts | rigved, it does, in the same cd as xfce |
| 14:11.07 | bolt | rigved: it comes with whatever you want to install... |
| 14:11.26 | bolt | rigved: just do a base install, and you can put whatever desktop environment you want on there. most are in the repos |
| 14:11.42 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: are you doing that with aptitude or apt-get? cause aptitude likes to remove unneeded dependencies, and gnome depends on evolution, so when you remove evolution, the metapackage goes out, and aptitude wants to be smart |
| 14:12.29 | thewanderer1 | er it likes to remove unneeded packages, the ones which were installed as dependencies (it does autoremove every time you run it) |
| 14:13.20 | thewanderer1 | if you really want to use aptitude for that, try `aptitude keep-all` and then progress with removal |
| 14:13.31 | thewanderer1 | (see manpage for what that causes) |
| 14:14.25 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: i have been using synaptic; i can use aptitude and keep-all; is there a real "dependency" between gnome and evolution? will anything aside from evolution-related functionality brea? |
| 14:15.16 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: there is no dependency that I know of. gnome metapackage depends on evolution because it is designed to do just that - depend on everything GNOME-related |
| 14:16.05 | thewanderer1 | if aptitude still wants to remove the rest of GNOME after keep-all, then it means there is a real dependency |
| 14:16.13 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: alright, as soon as this current set of updates/removals finishes, i will try aptitude |
| 14:16.24 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: can this be done in synaptic? |
| 14:16.37 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea, haven't seen that beast for 6 years |
| 14:17.50 | rigved | vtts, bolt: thanx. :) |
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| 14:18.24 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: thank you for the help |
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| 14:34.33 | thewanderer1 | I'm currently writing a wrapper script for KVM - is there anything worthwhile in Debian for this already? I specifically needed to run a machine with a given disk and network interfaces (bridged) |
| 14:34.44 | thewanderer1 | (oh, and not running KVM as root - I'm not mad) |
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| 15:02.12 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:02.12 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
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| 15:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | these things happen |
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| 15:16.38 | delarge | with which program i can open a VSD file ? |
| 15:17.11 | thewanderer1 | when I press ctrl+a and then C in telnet, what does it send? |
| 15:17.37 | thewanderer1 | or, to state it some other way... I have a socket to which I need to write the equivalent of doing that O.o |
| 15:17.47 | ThePub | delarge: would suppose visio, no? |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you mean if you have 'screen' running ? |
| 15:18.53 | delarge | ThePub: yup |
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| 15:19.01 | abrotman | dia maybe? |
| 15:19.15 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: the case is precisely this: I have KVM running and the monitor is redirected to telnet, and I have to press C-a c to activate monitor mode after connecting to telnet. however, there is also an option to run monitor on TCP, without telnet at all |
| 15:19.16 | ThePub | don't think dia does that. |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | i'm not sure, but it's the closest to visio |
| 15:19.37 | delarge | ThePub: some idea ? |
| 15:19.39 | thewanderer1 | so I need to send commands to KVM monitor somehow |
| 15:19.40 | ThePub | http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq#Can_Dia_open_Visio_.vsd_files.3F |
| 15:19.47 | ThePub | that faq could be wrong though :) |
| 15:21.02 | ThePub | delarge: no idea. even when using Windows I stay away from the MS solution since when going back to Linux it's much more difficult to use any product. |
| 15:21.13 | ThePub | uses Dia |
| 15:21.49 | delarge | a profesor send me in this format |
| 15:22.10 | delarge | i want convert the picture from vsd to png |
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| 15:22.45 | ThePub | :( |
| 15:22.50 | ThePub | university lab? :) |
| 15:23.00 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: after running aptitude keep-all, i'm still getting aptitude trying to be too aggressive - can you clarify? |
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| 15:24.13 | stwg_ | xxx |
| 15:24.30 | homie | shut the wg |
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| 15:25.48 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: apparently gnome-core depends on evolution, you might want to remove gnome-core and keep only the needed packages manually |
| 15:26.00 | thewanderer1 | (gnome-core is a metapackage as well) |
| 15:26.24 | thewanderer1 | and about aptitude being generous, I'd suggest trying apt-get |
| 15:26.33 | abrotman | it's still a depends |
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| 15:26.43 | delarge | the size of vicio it is a CD |
| 15:26.46 | delarge | @ |
| 15:26.48 | delarge | @#$! |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | therealgalen: what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 15:27.11 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yes, but gnome-core is just a metapackage which a GNOME user might not need... |
| 15:27.20 | therealgalen | abrotman: i am just trying to slice down debian to be very very slim |
| 15:27.27 | abrotman | using gnome? |
| 15:27.38 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: actually, I'd suggest trying LXDE if that's your goal... or at least XFCE :P |
| 15:27.45 | therealgalen | abrotman: yes, i use gnome |
| 15:28.08 | ThePub | therealgalen: start with a basic net install w/o any other packages and add individual packages on top of it :) |
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| 15:28.13 | abrotman | therealgalen: they recently changed gnome-core to make evolution a depends .. you can get around this by installing parts of gnome directly, or choose a more reasonable WM |
| 15:28.16 | ThePub | therealgalen: you will get a very small installation |
| 15:28.28 | dipilibupap | hi all |
| 15:28.31 | dipilibupap | i got a simple question |
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| 15:28.36 | abrotman | therealgalen: so you could look at what the gnome-core package depends on, and install those components yourself |
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| 15:28.42 | dipilibupap | i would like to try out debian with openbox |
| 15:28.49 | dipilibupap | i have an old computer with 512 of ram |
| 15:28.56 | abrotman | old? 512? |
| 15:29.00 | dipilibupap | and celeron M processor |
| 15:29.13 | abrotman | dipilibupap: please stop hitting enter, put the whole question on one line |
| 15:29.14 | dipilibupap | its 32bits |
| 15:29.17 | rockworldmi | that's not old i have one with 256mb ram and p3 |
| 15:29.38 | therealgalen | is there any way to swizzle things around to kill gnome-core and like metapackages without removing the actual packages? |
| 15:29.54 | dipilibupap | which iso should i download to be able to install no other DE or WM appart from openbox |
| 15:30.00 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: aptitude keep-all; aptitude remove gnome-core |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | dipilibupap: the netinst is your best option most likely |
| 15:30.35 | dipilibupap | ok will try that |
| 15:30.36 | abrotman | dipilibupap: and when your install is done, and you're at teh CLI, just type `aptitude install xorg openbox xdm' |
| 15:30.40 | abrotman | as root |
| 15:31.00 | dipilibupap | CLI? |
| 15:31.14 | thewanderer1 | !cli |
| 15:31.14 | dpkg | [cli] Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around. See http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 or ask me about <general cli tutorial>. Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. Common Language Infrastructure, ask me about <mono>. |
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| 15:31.19 | dipilibupap | ok |
| 15:31.33 | ThePub | Personally I use a netinst CD and do only a basic cd install using Expert Mode |
| 15:31.37 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i don't know why you keep telling therealgalen to use keep-all .. it won't help him |
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| 15:32.00 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: why? I thought aptitude would not remove packages pulled in automatically as depends |
| 15:32.04 | ThePub | you end up with a very simple linux installation and a basic debian setup. make sure to enable the "mirror selection" or whatever option to setup a network mirror for updating. |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | thewanderer1: read the man page |
| 15:32.21 | therealgalen | abrotman: i agree, keep-all does not do what i want |
| 15:32.26 | dipilibupap | ThePub, what WM do you use? |
| 15:32.35 | ThePub | dipilibupap: wmii |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | therealgalen: perhaps unmarkauto ? |
| 15:33.10 | dipilibupap | ThePub, thats a tiling rite? |
| 15:33.18 | ThePub | dipilibupap: yes, it's not for everyone :) |
| 15:33.26 | dipilibupap | why not? |
| 15:33.39 | dipilibupap | what difference with wmfs and Awesome and dwm etc.. |
| 15:33.51 | ThePub | why doesn't everyone love the color blue? idk why! :) |
| 15:33.52 | therealgalen | abrotman: that does not seem to do it either |
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| 15:34.10 | abrotman | therealgalen: depends which you package run it on |
| 15:34.28 | abrotman | therealgalen: honestly, it's easier to probably remove the gnome, and then reinstall exactly what you want |
| 15:34.34 | vidkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.58 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: IIRC, apt-get doesn't automatically remove stuff like aptitude... |
| 15:35.14 | thewanderer1 | (that is, "auto" packages) |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | thewanderer1: they changed that |
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| 15:36.03 | ThePub | dipilibupap: debian doesn't have a current wmii package but the mercurial archive builds a debian package. I like that wmii doesn't require anything other than xlib to work, simplifies things a bit. Additionally the ability to script it with bash instead of needing to learning something like ruby (ick) or haskell has its advantages imo. |
| 15:36.23 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: only on removal, on general? cause my apt-get still tells me that I might want to run "autoremove" anytime soon... |
| 15:36.41 | dipilibupap | wmfs is just simple text :p |
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| 15:36.48 | ThePub | apt-get does NOT, but it will continue to build up a huge list of autoremove items. |
| 15:36.51 | dipilibupap | downloading debian netinstall now |
| 15:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's fine... easy to ignore |
| 15:37.07 | dipilibupap | will run it in VB |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | thewanderer1: read the man page |
| 15:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that also documents autoremove |
| 15:37.58 | ThePub | wasn't there a package that ran as a service which would track library/program usage over a period and then suggest a set of packages to remove/keep based on usage? |
| 15:38.29 | ThePub | oh, but that's been years since it was even of interest for me. |
| 15:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "there are unused icons on your desktop, do you want to clean your desktop now?" |
| 15:39.03 | ThePub | haha, good one ;) |
| 15:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "no, dammit, there was just no reason to boot into windows for 3 years, of COURSE they're unused" |
| 15:39.33 | ThePub | my brain is funny, misfires most of the time. think preload was what I was thinking of. |
| 15:39.43 | mama21mama | offtopic: feliz navidad! |
| 15:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | artificial severe stupidity... ASS |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | mama21mama: #debian-offtopic please |
| 15:40.22 | ThePub | still in the repos even |
| 15:40.42 | thewanderer1 | apt-get -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=false remove gnome-core # I think it might do it |
| 15:41.14 | thewanderer1 | (and yes, I wasn't aware of AutomaticRemove being true now. on my system it's not...) |
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| 15:42.09 | therealgalen | thewanderer1: i am testing now |
| 15:42.21 | ThePub | whats /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove in relation? |
| 15:42.52 | thewanderer1 | some apt config, it seems |
| 15:43.11 | thewanderer1 | what is funny is that it contains Ubuntu entries O.o |
| 15:43.42 | ThePub | there was a time ubuntu was just a tested sid.. remembering better times? |
| 15:44.27 | therealgalen | well, i am thinking about it, i want to keep gnome-core, just nuke evolution and a few other things that it depends on... and thewanderer1, the command you suggested did not work |
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| 15:45.28 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: apt still removing everything? I don't think that's expected behaviour... |
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| 15:45.55 | abrotman | right .. anyway .. he could just remove gnome-core and install the pieces he wants .. like i said 30 minutes ago |
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| 15:46.19 | thewanderer1 | okay, I think it's the only solution provided that apt-get doesn't want to cooperate |
| 15:46.40 | abrotman | or doesn't do what you think it does? |
| 15:46.46 | ThePub | thewanderer1: he said earlier that apt-get only listed the suggestions. I was trying to find the line. |
| 15:46.58 | therealgalen | abrotman: i would prefer to keep the metapackage so it tracks and adds new things added to gnome in the future |
| 15:47.10 | therealgalen | i just want to selectively nuke certain elements of it... |
| 15:47.17 | therealgalen | it does not seem like rocket science. |
| 15:47.37 | therealgalen | i could hold/keep the current package then kill the binaries, |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 15:47.38 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 15:47.40 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 15:47.56 | ThePub | what about pinning? |
| 15:48.10 | therealgalen | ThePub: pinning? |
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| 15:49.01 | ThePub | therealgalen: idk, I'm not an apt genius or anything. just thought you could "blacklist" a single package that way. |
| 15:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like another case of wanting to eat the cake and have it, too |
| 15:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't want the stuff the metapackage pulls in but you want the stuff the metapackage pulls in |
| 15:49.22 | Enverex | Am I going mad or has Iceweasel 3.6 disappeared from experimental? I remember installing it the other day (as I needed multi-select file uploaders) but now trying to install it on my laptop, even specifying experimental only finds 3.5.16 |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 15:49.36 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.15-1; sid: 3.5.16-2; experimental: 3.6.13-1 |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | still there! |
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| 15:49.52 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: don't forget the arch |
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| 15:50.21 | therealgalen | i think that equivs is exactly what i want |
| 15:50.33 | abrotman | he didn't specify anything .. he just asked |
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| 15:50.49 | abrotman | he can use packages.debian.org just as well as i can |
| 15:50.59 | Enverex | Ignore that, seems I was mistyping "experimental" >.< surprised it didn't give me an error message or warning that I'm typing nonsense, lol. |
| 15:51.24 | Enverex | abrotman, I was on the site and saw it there which is why I expected it to be available, I wondered if there was a sync delay if it had been removed |
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| 15:51.33 | Enverex | *or if |
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| 15:53.31 | Enverex | Cheers all |
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| 15:55.07 | therealgalen | equivs is what i want, but it will take a very long time to create all the control files manually - is there a way i can point it at an existing package and generate a dummy package from that? |
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| 16:01.22 | therealgalen | Any ideas on automating equivs? |
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| 16:01.45 | Big_Brother | How do i re-make a partition table? I'm rather locked out of my system otherwise. |
| 16:03.09 | cahoot | Big_Brother: why are you so confident you need redreate the partitiontable? |
| 16:03.40 | Big_Brother | Cahoot: last time this happened, i had to do just that. |
| 16:04.00 | abrotman | judd: info testdisk --release lenny |
| 16:04.01 | judd | Package testdisk (admin, optional) in lenny/i386: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. Version: 6.9-1.1; Size: 1189.2k; Installed: 3716k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/testdisk |
| 16:04.03 | abrotman | use at your own risk |
| 16:04.27 | Big_Brother | Is that something i do once booted into the system ? |
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| 16:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "this" |
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| 16:10.30 | ThePub | Big_Brother: You need to reconfigure lilo or grub bootloader I would imagine. You said last nigh that the HDD was moved from one computer to another, correct? Have you varified that those configurations match the new system? If not, you need to do that before continuing. |
| 16:10.38 | tuggle | hi, does anyone know whether the XTS mode is available for loop-aes or whether it is even neccessary? |
| 16:10.46 | ThePub | Big_Brother: If you're running lilo it's going to probably be more painful than grub :) |
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| 16:12.06 | Big_Brother | ThePub: it's grub. |
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| 16:12.37 | Big_Brother | ThePub: it's error 17. >_>; |
| 16:15.05 | ThePub | http://stringofthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/grub-error-17-debianubuntu/ seems to be about right for you |
| 16:15.09 | ThePub | Big_Brother: |
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| 16:16.47 | kantor | Hi. I have a real problem. I changed my yahoo account password and I can not log in any more. What is real strange is that I also use a mail client (evolution) and in evolution for the pop and smtp servers the new password is working. But When I want to log into with my browser for the new password that I enter it tells me that it is wrong, but if I try with the old password it doesn't tells me anything it just reloads the login page. |
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| 16:17.25 | lotus | hey, I've sync'd a motorola bluetooth headset with my netbook. However, all my sound is stil comming through my speakers. How to fix? |
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| 16:30.57 | xindz | Justed installed rtorrent + rutorrent. Were can i edit my password for my loign to the webbpage? |
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| 16:34.23 | bint | xindz ask in the specific channel of rtorrent or rutorrent |
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| 16:35.23 | nirazio | I just checked the system monitor to see what processes run in a linux system..and noticed something strange. There were many python processes running (status:-sleeping)...Why is this? |
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| 17:02.28 | thewanderer1 | virsh list doesn't list my domains but it allows me to edit them... how? |
| 17:02.40 | thewanderer1 | virsh -c qemu:///system list : returns empty line |
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| 17:03.08 | thewanderer1 | virsh -c qemu:///system edit vm1 : opens editor with the desired config |
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| 17:04.42 | ex3 | hi |
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| 17:06.49 | thewanderer1 | oh, I needed to use --all flag to virsh |
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| 17:08.48 | bastla | hi, http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso returns 403 |
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| 17:20.53 | oznt | hi everyone, gnome used to have a nice option to login new window. It was ideal for me for testing different things. Now on gnome 2.30 this thing is not anymore. I don't understand how to work with Xnest or Xephyr, can some one give me ahint ? |
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| 17:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still there... lock the screen, button is called "switch user" |
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| 17:30.40 | oznt | CutMeOwnThroat, but it's not letting me log in new window ... anyway I found the answer -> gdmflexiserver -n |
| 17:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it'll let you log onto a different screen with a different user |
| 17:31.32 | oznt | that's what I wanted ... |
| 17:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also do "startx -- :1" |
| 17:31.58 | oznt | i should have written login in new window |
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| 17:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but need to allow the user to run X from the commandline (/msg dpkg xrwapper.config for that) |
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| 17:41.29 | CR0W | Hello. I have a problem with ubuntu. I've made a seccond account for my brother and to ease the setup, i just coppied my settings form my home to his home and chowned it to him, and also gave him full priveledges through admin, sudo etc groups. And all works fine except for one thing: nm-applet asks for a password to some keys base when connecting to wifi. Without it I my brother can still connect but he has to type the password, beacuse this base as i think |
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| 17:43.02 | CR0W | Now I know that probably some of the settings was that base's file or something like that, the question is which file/files is it? |
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| 17:46.49 | thewanderer1 | !tell CR0W about ubuntu |
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| 18:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange, the gnome was always automounting stuff in /media... and seems to have stopped doing so |
| 18:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/stuff/usb drives/ |
| 18:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, the whole gnome stuff is nearly as bad as windoze |
| 18:56.35 | nirazio | What happens when we uncomment GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true? |
| 18:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok when it works and you can wildly click on stuff... but when things fail you even have a hard time finding out what program it is that fails |
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| 18:57.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: what did you break? |
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| 18:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't do nuffin! |
| 18:58.09 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 18:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon is running, too |
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| 19:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | twice! |
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| 19:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I did switch of the "ask if you want to import photos" thingy |
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| 19:21.41 | vampirefrog | hi guys i have a compaq tc4400 tablet/notebook with a SD card slot and i want to boot netinst from a 256MB card in that slot |
| 19:21.51 | vampirefrog | it detects it as /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 19:21.57 | vampirefrog | what netinst image should i use?\ |
| 19:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't that be the same as from an usb stick? |
| 19:23.41 | vampirefrog | i suppose, im not sure |
| 19:23.48 | vampirefrog | but i guess it's the only option |
| 19:23.53 | vampirefrog | hopefully i can boot from it |
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| 19:24.04 | vampirefrog | also, what is the procedure? |
| 19:24.17 | vampirefrog | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/mmcblk0 ? |
| 19:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you boot from that at all? |
| 19:25.36 | vampirefrog | ill have to check the bios but i cant do that now |
| 19:25.36 | homie | there's something wrong with kaffeine |
| 19:25.48 | homie | it does double epg entry and even triple them |
| 19:25.55 | homie | epg entrys |
| 19:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno about that mounting stuff - gconf*-2 says automount_media = true and automount_drives = true |
| 19:26.13 | homie | unless i remove them completely |
| 19:26.16 | homie | and start anew |
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| 19:27.40 | vampirefrog | thanks |
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| 19:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the damn gnome-volume-properties thingy should have an option, but seems not... can't stand that graphical stuff |
| 19:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, the gnome thinks it's doing it |
| 19:29.39 | nirazio | In terminal the bash history is often helpful when you are searching for a command-line that you already used. But is there a way to influence the behavior of the bash history (i.e. which commands are saved, how long they are saved, how many are saved and so on)? |
| 19:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... lots |
| 19:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in the bash FAQ at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ ... there should be an entry "how do I prevent that any history is erased ever" or so that deals with most of them |
| 19:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, of course "man bash" has all the details when you know what to search for |
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| 19:34.42 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: option for what? |
| 19:34.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | automounting |
| 19:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it thinks it's doing it anyway, so probably no matter |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | what if you put noauto in the fstab ? |
| 19:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's usbdrives... they're not in fstab |
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| 19:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nor should they |
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| 19:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | they should go to /media or somesuch |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: that'sw where mine go |
| 19:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I just install usbmount and let that do the stuff |
| 19:36.20 | abrotman | in /media/ i mean .. but i've defined mine in fstab in the past |
| 19:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's where mine used to go, too... and now it stopped and I have no clue why |
| 19:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it put it in /media/disklabel, which I found kind of neat |
| 19:36.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | while usbmount just mounts in /media/usb0 /media/usb1 and so on |
| 19:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or at least it did so in lenny, possibly that can be configured differently) |
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| 19:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, I see how the system recognizes a new disk as sdf1 and that's it |
| 19:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's a process root 21010 0.0 0.0 3520 1172 ? S 20:34 0:00 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdf (every 2 sec) |
| 19:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so hal's got it, dmsg shows it, gnome ignores it |
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| 19:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | sdf would seem to imply flash. |
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| 19:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb |
| 19:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, do you have gnome-mount installed? |
| 19:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a long time ago, thogh... 2010-10-02 07:26:09 remove gnome-mount 0.7-2 0.7-2 |
| 19:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gnome-mount |
| 19:45.30 | judd | Package gnome-mount on i386 -- etch: 0.5-3; lenny: 0.7-2 |
| 19:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, probably not |
| 19:46.56 | ThePub | hal should find the device and pass off through dbus to gnome |
| 19:47.06 | ThePub | for usb/sd/cd/etc |
| 19:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it used to |
| 19:47.29 | ThePub | gnome-mount is a screwed up version of pmount |
| 19:47.42 | ThePub | er.. I mean "improved" version by gnome standards. |
| 19:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it doesn't exist anymore in squeeze anyway |
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| 19:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and gconftool-2 seems to be an improved version of the windows registry |
| 19:49.44 | cast | i still hate it :< |
| 19:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I meant |
| 19:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the same crap in blue |
| 19:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | blue crap... from eating too many blueberries |
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| 19:51.02 | ajikeshi | CutMeOwnThroat, lol.. blue carp :D |
| 19:51.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, I'll install usbmount and see if that collides with the inactive crap from gnome *sigh* |
| 19:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity, I liked using disklabels for the directory name |
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| 19:53.47 | MrFrood | halevt? |
| 19:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | never tried that |
| 19:56.55 | Allanis | Um. I am writing a game engine in C++ I have made a screw up somewhere and I have an infinate loop somehwere, before I get to a state. I have used xkill on the application, and realised a few hours later after fixing my bug that my CPU usage is a little high to say I am doing nothing.. I checked running applications and found my application still running. can not kill it with pid or anything.. |
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| 19:58.25 | MrFrood | not having any usb devices niether have I but I think it can be made to do what you seem to desire |
| 19:59.47 | bzed | Allanis: try kill -9 pid |
| 20:00.18 | Allanis | Thanks, I should have known that realy. |
| 20:00.28 | Allanis | My system can breath now. :) |
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| 20:12.52 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try that too, I have a flash card reader that is detected according to dmesg whenever I plug a card in, but doesn't create a mountable device. |
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| 20:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. Still doesn't. |
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| 20:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | I get a kde notification offering to mount usb sticks, but nothing from the card reader. |
| 20:17.18 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: no /dev/mmcblk* appears? |
| 20:18.36 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. |
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| 20:18.51 | cast | anything in dmesg? |
| 20:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, it's all drives as far as I can tell... wonder if it's some regression from here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520501 |
| 20:19.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that was fixed only two minor versions ago |
| 20:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I started gnome-volume-manager with -n(odaemon) and it sees the disks appear |
| 20:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | just doesn't act on it |
| 20:20.43 | jhutchins_lt | Not mine, I have as little gnome as possible. |
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| 20:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | Let me get a pastebin up... |
| 20:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I then do pmount /dev/disk/by-label/8G* it mounts it under media under the name by-label-<label> and asks me if I want to import photos (which it used to do when automounting) |
| 20:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I used to just use fvwm2... though I give gnome a look after I had to do a fresh install as my lenny wouldn't run when transplanted on the new machine |
| 20:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | http://paste.debian.net/103185 |
| 20:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's different... kernel isn't giving it a device name |
| 20:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the usb_storage module loaded? |
| 20:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | for mine, last dmesg line after plugging in is simply: [828983.361680] sdg: sdg1 - but that's fine |
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| 20:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | shows it's giving it sdf1 |
| 20:25.13 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, usb_storage is loaded. |
| 20:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | It's not a generic usb error, as I said regular thumb drives work fine. |
| 20:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sd card hardware needs a different driver, though |
| 20:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | It's just SD cards in this Acer One's built in reader. |
| 20:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never got _any_ sd cards even seen in my old laptop.. seems there never was any driver in mainline kernels |
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| 20:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... that's an acer, too... so you're already better off! |
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| 20:29.07 | Bushmills | both the JMicron SD card reader (non-USB) and the USB Genesys reader in my Acer are supported. |
| 20:29.32 | Bushmills | (using stock kernels) |
| 20:30.16 | zinx | all USB readers should be supported |
| 20:30.22 | zinx | they are standard USB MSC devices |
| 20:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | I've tried several different cards, they all generate the same text in dmesg - same serial number &c. |
| 20:30.47 | zinx | but the sdcard reader in my ASUS G1S-A1 works fine as well |
| 20:30.51 | zinx | (non-USB) |
| 20:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | THis is squeeze up-to-date |
| 20:32.11 | Bushmills | actually, my root fs is on a sd card in one of the readers |
| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: So how does the system respond when you insert a card? |
| 20:33.02 | Bushmills | one i never remove. root fs, as said. the other mounts, through usbmount |
| 20:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | So just like a thumb drive then. |
| 20:33.54 | Bushmills | there are two readers, as one is meant as storage expansion, and the other as removable medium |
| 20:34.12 | Bushmills | removable one is the usb reader |
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| 20:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | Tried another sd, two xd's, two sd, same result. |
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| 20:40.12 | nirazio | What is the difference between HISTFILESIZE and HISTSIZE?? |
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| 20:43.53 | azm | Hello I have just installed Squeeze beta2 and after copying vmlinuz to boot(sda1) I get this error |
| 20:44.01 | azm | http://i.imgur.com/f2O75.jpg |
| 20:44.19 | azm | Im not sure what to do. can someone help? |
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| 20:44.51 | azm | join #gentoo |
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| 20:45.02 | bzed | azm: why do you copy vmlinuz manually? |
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| 20:45.18 | bzed | azm: my guess would be that you're missing your initrd |
| 20:45.32 | azm | bzed, I have separated boot on /dev/sda1 |
| 20:45.37 | bzed | and? |
| 20:45.46 | bzed | tell the installer to use it. |
| 20:45.53 | azm | too late |
| 20:45.55 | azm | I forget |
| 20:46.06 | OpenTokix | azm: Where is the bootloader looking for root-fs? |
| 20:46.23 | azm | root (hd0,0) ? |
| 20:46.30 | bzed | azm: than you need to copy the whole content of your /boot onto the device and mount the partition on /boot |
| 20:46.32 | azm | also I can see this line in grub edit mode |
| 20:46.42 | bzed | azm: vmlinuz alone is not enough |
| 20:46.47 | azm | how come? |
| 20:47.01 | azm | cant* |
| 20:47.11 | azm | ubuntu worked that way:) |
| 20:47.11 | raouf | hi everyone |
| 20:47.17 | bzed | azm: for sure not. |
| 20:47.32 | raouf | I've a problem with sip-communicator, the text work but not the audio ! |
| 20:47.37 | bzed | it probably did something, but not as result of what you did. |
| 20:47.40 | raouf | have anyone there used it before ?! |
| 20:47.40 | azm | bzed, can you explain why will not work when I simply copy the kernel? |
| 20:48.03 | bzed | azm: you need an initrd at least |
| 20:48.06 | bzed | and the grub config |
| 20:48.12 | bzed | and such things |
| 20:48.22 | azm | butthat is all in my old boot |
| 20:48.31 | azm | grub.conf/menu.lst |
| 20:48.33 | bzed | azm: why don;t you just leave /dev/sda1 away and use what you have now/ |
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| 20:48.41 | azm | oh fail |
| 20:48.52 | azm | that is not solution |
| 20:48.59 | azm | dirty hack/smack |
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| 20:49.23 | azm | you dont know the pluses of sepatrate boot? |
| 20:49.30 | jargon- | Merry Xmas! :-) |
| 20:49.40 | azm | at least Id like to have all kernel on one place |
| 20:49.53 | bzed | azm: fix your installation then. |
| 20:50.11 | azm | k |
| 20:52.16 | azm | just havent noticed that it using initial ramdisk |
| 20:53.07 | azm | why is that anyway? |
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| 20:53.17 | azm | it should not be necessary |
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| 20:54.50 | azm | modules? |
| 20:56.11 | azm | ok.IM goin to try.thanks. |
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| 21:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'squeeze' of package 'gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh |
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| 21:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so changelog says (and it's indeed disabled) that automounting now is disabled because nautilus is supposed to handle it |
| 21:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so barking up wrong tree |
| 21:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | this gnome stuff gives me the humorous vegetables |
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| 21:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, so in short... it's now nautilus doing the automount and something was wrong with the process running... after some fiddling with it nautilus even froze and ate up one CPU... after killing it and starting a new nautilus things are again automounted |
| 21:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | that took long to find out it's just some type of hickup |
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| 21:45.48 | gnoob | Hi guys, just did a clean install. And would like to enter cdrom where does it mount? cant find it in fdisk -l or in dmesg |tail |
| 21:46.26 | teonanacatl | mount /dev/cdrom /mountpoint |
| 21:46.35 | gnoob | ohh thanks :) |
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| 21:47.58 | cnfrg | Can I ask questions here or is there a channel specifically for help? |
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| 21:58.54 | Bushmills | this channel allows questions only if they end with an exclamation mark |
| 22:00.48 | nsadmin | ??????????! |
| 22:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | cnfrg, this might come as a shock, but what you asked already was a question |
| 22:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | only one per person and day, though, so sorry... (just kiddin) |
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| 22:01.43 | nsadmin | cnfrg, /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnoob, as I just ranted on... gnome/nautilus should automount it if you are using gnome... and it would go under /media/<disk-label> |
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| 22:06.16 | Bushmills | why nautilus instead of usbmount? latter can mount even when you just run console, or different desktop/window manager |
| 22:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) just describing what you would see on a fresh install using the default WM/DE |
| 22:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and b) I think it's kind of neat that things are mounted under the name of the disk label, which usbmount doesn't |
| 22:07.31 | Bushmills | it does. |
| 22:07.32 | bolt | i think you confused poor cnfrg so much he stopped talking... |
| 22:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | because that means you'll find the same disk under the same name |
| 22:07.40 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.44 | gnoob | no X :) trying to make a KVM virtual host. But forget really basic stuff once in a while :D |
| 22:07.49 | Bushmills | symlinks to /media/... |
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| 22:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it? |
| 22:08.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not so nice a path, though |
| 22:08.53 | Bushmills | change it. that's just a config item |
| 22:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's a nice behavior to mount stuff under /media/disklabel |
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| 22:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I looked through the config just now |
| 22:09.13 | Bushmills | change it to /media |
| 22:09.41 | bolt | as if the stuff in /mnt isn't on some sort of media? |
| 22:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't see anything regarding labels |
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| 22:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's in mount.d/ |
| 22:10.54 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | all right... |
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| 22:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | symlinks tab-complete a bit worse than real directories, though |
| 22:13.14 | Bushmills | works independently of nautilus |
| 22:13.37 | Bushmills | i suppose you can also mount --bind instead of ln -sf |
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| 22:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to use usbmount for years |
| 22:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you just install squeeze including the desktop task, that's what you get |
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| 22:18.22 | ewl | Anyone know what the name of the new testing will be once Squeeze becomes stable? |
| 22:18.51 | dvs | weezy |
| 22:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | wheezy |
| 22:18.56 | dvs | the penguin |
| 22:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | the old man |
| 22:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 22:19.03 | dvs | oops |
| 22:19.16 | ewl | Ahhh, thanks. |
| 22:19.21 | dvs | oh, I thought it was the penguin |
| 22:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 22:19.35 | dvs | an old man penguin? hmmm.... |
| 22:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.. someone who's wheezy... |
| 22:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | horrible name |
| 22:20.02 | dvs | wonders when spell will get his props. |
| 22:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, what's wrong with "troll" :-P |
| 22:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... rc buggy |
| 22:20.26 | ewl | When will they run out of toy story characters? |
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| 22:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2107 |
| 22:20.50 | dvs | heh |
| 22:20.55 | ewl | Accuracy, I love it. |
| 22:21.08 | Bushmills | CutMeOwnThroat: if you install squeeze *without* desktop task, you won't have nautilus to automount usb devices :P |
| 22:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | tell a lie, there'll be toy story XI out by that time |
| 22:21.50 | abrotman | thought gvfs did it |
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| 22:23.27 | Diytto | Hello |
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| 22:23.45 | Diytto | How can i check where i last logged in from on a server |
| 22:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'last' |
| 22:23.58 | Bushmills | log files. auth.log |
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| 22:24.09 | Diytto | Theres not a command? |
| 22:24.15 | Diytto | Okay where is this log? |
| 22:24.18 | satdav | guys you need to update the znc on your os |
| 22:24.26 | Bushmills | on your hard disk, presumably |
| 22:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it! |
| 22:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ironic, that I was the first to answer last |
| 22:25.56 | Diytto | Ok |
| 22:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it seems to be involved somewhere... aptitude changelog gnome-volume-manager |grep -B1 automount |
| 22:27.30 | abrotman | no! |
| 22:27.40 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: FWIW, lxde tries to automount my phone ... |
| 22:27.42 | KB1JWQ | satdav: ...not quite. :-) |
| 22:28.20 | abrotman | not sure what with though |
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| 22:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, but seems nautilus plays an important role... dunno, havent fully found out what does what... or whta did what in lenny and is now done by totally different programs in squeeze |
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| 22:29.01 | abrotman | yes, it does |
| 22:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but gnome-mount is gorn |
| 22:29.37 | ewl | Wheezy |
| 22:29.40 | ewl | Wheezy, often known as Wheezy the Penguin, is a rubber squeeze toy penguin with a red bow tie. He is voiced by the late Joe Ranft. |
| 22:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | here, ewl have a mint and you'll feel less wheezy, hopefully... |
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| 22:30.46 | dvs | or wheezy can get me some coffee! ;-) |
| 22:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh no... was I just advertising a different distro? |
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| 22:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell... |
| 22:32.14 | ewl | Why have mint when you can have the original? |
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| 22:32.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'cause it's less wheezy? |
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| 22:40.59 | bzaks1424 | Does anyone have any ideas on how to get 802.11b on my wireless? :-D Still running a b-router at my parents house. |
| 22:41.29 | dvs | bzaks1424: depends on what NIC you're using. |
| 22:42.50 | dvs | bzaks1424: lspci -nn | grep -i wire |
| 22:43.17 | bzaks1424 | I have a intell wireless |
| 22:43.19 | bzaks1424 | an* |
| 22:43.43 | bzaks1424 | dvs: I'm aware it supports wireless B because it works on windows xp |
| 22:43.43 | dvs | there are several intell wireless |
| 22:46.18 | bzaks1424 | dvs: I have the intel wireless wifi link 5100 |
| 22:46.48 | dvs | bzaks1424: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 22:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:48.36 | bzaks1424 | So basically my findings are pretty simple: no b is not supported on Debian :-) |
| 22:48.42 | bzaks1424 | works for me! :-D |
| 22:48.46 | bzaks1424 | TO THE VM! |
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| 22:56.24 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: isn't it linked to installation of mpm-worker (default)/mpm event /itk / prefork which changes the link /usr/sbin/apache2? |
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| 23:01.35 | jhutchins_lt | Eh? 802.11b is supported in linux. There are a number of 'n' cards for which n is not supported. |
| 23:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: I'm asking of the difference between the prefork and threaded packages is a matter of configuration or of how the binary was compiled. I THINK it's the latter. |
| 23:02.45 | frikinz | How can one check if one is connected to a a/b/g/n network by the way? |
| 23:03.01 | jhutchins_lt | I have a site I want to migrate from prefork to threaded. |
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| 23:03.50 | dvs | frikinz: iwconfig |
| 23:05.44 | frikinz | dvs: it says bg .. |
| 23:06.06 | frikinz | and something bgn |
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| 23:06.13 | frikinz | sometimes |
| 23:07.58 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: if you did not install mpm-prefork then you use threads |
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| 23:10.23 | frikinz | mpm event is good for websites that has a lot of persistent connections, itk is based on prefork and uses privilege seperation but considered experimental |
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| 23:17.26 | frikinz | jhutchins_lt: apache2 -l might also tell you |
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| 23:19.10 | teonanacatl | unhide sys finds various mysql-related hidden processes |
| 23:19.17 | frikinz | php and multithread is said to be incompatible cause php is not thread safe |
| 23:19.24 | frikinz | cause php is crap |
| 23:19.48 | teonanacatl | i thought it could be short-time-processes - but shouldn't the PIDs change then from one scan to another? |
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| 23:20.35 | azm | after copying vmlinuz and initrd is it something else I should do to boot uu debian without kernel panic? |
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| 23:21.04 | p3rror | hello |
| 23:21.12 | p3rror | what can cause a SASL authentication failed in mutt |
| 23:21.48 | abrotman | lots of things .. |
| 23:22.16 | p3rror | abrotman, like bad credentials ? |
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| 23:25.10 | azm | *copying in to separate /boot |
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| 23:29.23 | abrotman | p3rror: self-signed cert, mismatched hostname? |
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| 23:33.45 | p3rror | abrotman, please explain |
| 23:34.03 | p3rror | abrotman,the urn is set correctly in my mutt config file |
| 23:34.26 | p3rror | abrotman, smtp://login@smtp.domain.tld/ |
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| 23:34.42 | p3rror | abrotman, as like as credentials login and password |
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| 23:55.11 | Jan\ | i setup sharing on debian to work with windows but it doesn't |
| 23:55.33 | Jan\ | windowx xp |
| 23:55.51 | azm | cool story. |
| 23:56.25 | Jan\ | so how do I fix it? |
| 23:58.59 | ex3 | who watched "furtv"? :D |
