| 00:00.34 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 00:00.42 | ex3 | no ;d |
| 00:01.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:01.08 | ex3 | no ;] |
| 00:01.22 | abrotman | ex3: try #debian-offtopic .. or stay on topic here |
| 00:01.38 | ex3 | oh, thx :) |
| 00:01.55 | ex3 | and srry |
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| 00:07.21 | bolt | Jan\: you set up what exactly, and how? and how doesn't it work? |
| 00:07.46 | Jan\ | well samba is running and I used the gui to configure it |
| 00:07.55 | bolt | the gui? |
| 00:08.16 | Jan\ | I "see" the computers on the network but when I try to access them I get an error |
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| 00:08.27 | bolt | !error message |
| 00:08.27 | dpkg | If you get an error message and find that to be very annoying, how about telling us what error message you get? Stop saying "I get an error", or try pasting the error message in google. very often, you'll find the answer you're looking for there |
| 00:08.35 | Accelerator | What's the package name in debian for "PySQLite" |
| 00:08.35 | bolt | and what gui? |
| 00:08.53 | Jan\ | in administration |
| 00:08.55 | Jan\ | menu |
| 00:09.15 | Jan\ | says share files |
| 00:09.27 | bolt | gnome crap? |
| 00:10.32 | bolt | try checking the error message. see if you can ping the machine from xp, see if you can access it by ip instead of netbios name, check the samba config file and see that the gui tool didn't mess anything up for you, try listing the shares locally (smbclient) and perhaps attempt to mount locally |
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| 00:12.06 | cagdas | hi all, I've the classic question: how to prevent sudo to not change PATH? |
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| 00:12.18 | cagdas | the following page says that |
| 00:12.20 | bolt | cagdas: huh? |
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| 00:12.40 | cagdas | if the user is in "sudo" group the sudo does not change the env |
| 00:12.43 | cagdas | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm |
| 00:13.16 | bolt | oh. sorry. dunno. |
| 00:13.24 | cagdas | bolt: I've checked the net and found many contradictory answers |
| 00:13.32 | cagdas | and none seems to work |
| 00:13.39 | bolt | checked the manual? |
| 00:13.42 | bolt | doesn't use sudo |
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| 00:15.27 | Nepherius | what can I use to convert mp4 to avi on debian? |
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| 00:16.03 | Big_Brother | Is there any way to retrieve a password ? |
| 00:16.22 | ajikeshi | Nepherius, avidemux |
| 00:16.35 | bolt | Big_Brother: what password? local user? |
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| 00:16.42 | Big_Brother | Bolt, yeah. |
| 00:16.54 | bolt | Big_Brother: not really. unless you want to brute force it |
| 00:16.57 | ajikeshi | Big_Brother, rainbowtable and/or massive cpu power |
| 00:17.02 | Nepherius | ok ty |
| 00:17.05 | bolt | Big_Brother: root can reset it though |
| 00:17.06 | Big_Brother | Sure, bolt, that works. |
| 00:17.08 | ex3 | jhontheripper? |
| 00:17.12 | ex3 | john* |
| 00:17.13 | Big_Brother | I AM ROOT. |
| 00:17.13 | Big_Brother | Fml |
| 00:17.26 | bolt | Big_Brother: ... |
| 00:17.38 | bolt | Big_Brother: you forgot root's password? |
| 00:17.47 | ex3 | imao :D |
| 00:17.52 | Big_Brother | Yes. -cries- |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 00:17.56 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 00:18.21 | bolt | gah. what's the root password factoid again? |
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| 00:18.28 | ex3 | dpkg: thx ;] |
| 00:18.28 | dpkg | ex3: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 00:18.39 | Big_Brother | Bolt, it's been like a year since i used the system |
| 00:18.55 | bolt | Big_Brother: you can reset it by booting from another device |
| 00:19.02 | ex3 | dpkg: i dunno |
| 00:19.02 | dpkg | ex3: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:19.02 | Big_Brother | And i just loaded it with a RAID system and a jimmied GPU. |
| 00:19.11 | bolt | Big_Brother: basically you mount the root file system, chroot and run passwd as root |
| 00:19.11 | ex3 | dpkg: nope |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | yes |
| 00:19.16 | Big_Brother | "booting from another device" ? |
| 00:19.22 | bolt | Big_Brother: there's a factoid on it, but I can't remember the name |
| 00:19.35 | bolt | Big_Brother: usb, cd-rom, another hd |
| 00:19.43 | bolt | Big_Brother: anything that boots linux :) |
| 00:20.03 | Big_Brother | Bolt, if that were true... this system would have been compromised quick. |
| 00:20.15 | Big_Brother | I've had to use a LiveCD multiple times. |
| 00:20.27 | bolt | Big_Brother: unless the root is encrypted, what I said is perfectly true |
| 00:20.54 | Big_Brother | Would root otherwise be (normally) not-encrypted? |
| 00:21.01 | frikinz | rainbowtables on linux? |
| 00:21.09 | bolt | Big_Brother: drives are not encrypted by default |
| 00:21.17 | bolt | not in debian anyways |
| 00:21.26 | ajikeshi | frikinz, you can raionbowtable everything :D |
| 00:21.41 | Big_Brother | I can access the drive easily via LiveCD... |
| 00:21.53 | Big_Brother | But by no means has the root password been reset. |
| 00:21.55 | bolt | Big_Brother: then just chroot and change the password |
| 00:22.06 | bolt | Big_Brother: it wont be unless you tell it to |
| 00:22.28 | Big_Brother | Can i reset the user's password in the same manner? |
| 00:22.34 | bolt | sure |
| 00:22.35 | ajikeshi | Big_Brother, yes |
| 00:22.39 | bolt | passwd <username> as root |
| 00:23.23 | bolt | again, if you happen to be using encryption, based on the login password or something like that, you'll lose data and yada yada yada |
| 00:23.46 | Big_Brother | From / ? |
| 00:23.59 | frikinz | ajikeshi: as crypt uses a salt then rainbowtable is useless |
| 00:24.05 | bolt | dammit. doesn't anyone remember the name of that factoid? |
| 00:24.24 | ajikeshi | frikinz, depends on a) the length of the salt and b) how big the rainbowtable actually is |
| 00:24.27 | bolt | Big_Brother: mount the root filesystem somewhere, say in /mnt/harddriveroot/ |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | which? |
| 00:24.33 | bolt | Big_Brother: then chroot there |
| 00:24.38 | bolt | abrotman: the forgot root pass one |
| 00:24.42 | bolt | Big_Brother: then run passwd |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | bolt: see above, bot already said |
| 00:24.58 | frikinz | ajikeshi: ok then a really enormous rainbowtable. like on several terabytes.. good luck then |
| 00:25.07 | bolt | abrotman: lol. missed that |
| 00:25.08 | Big_Brother | Bolt, the data loss... will it be from / ? |
| 00:25.16 | ajikeshi | frikinz, hehe.. still faster than bruteforcing :D |
| 00:25.33 | frikinz | ajikeshi: if you have the table yes. |
| 00:25.38 | dvs | uses brute force anyways. |
| 00:25.43 | bolt | Big_Brother: anything you encrypted using the password will not be unencrypted by changing it. probably not relevant |
| 00:25.51 | ajikeshi | frikinz, i dont have one... but its possible to obtain |
| 00:27.21 | frikinz | that's my pass: $6$01ayNIpO$pJqJSDSLEjewjcJdP00aXd32w4fHEuK0uWboozD/SUoSXNWx7wU2IFE8XUV7IEyJ1QnXuqEV9QtdkcPzeBCnL1 . crack it |
| 00:28.08 | bolt | frikinz: done. it's $6$01ayNIpO$pJqJSDSLEjewjcJdP00aXd32w4fHEuK0uWboozD/SUoSXNWx7wU2IFE8XUV7IEyJ1QnXuqEV9QtdkcPzeBCnL1 |
| 00:28.28 | Big_Brother | Lol "jew" |
| 00:29.01 | bolt | ... |
| 00:29.13 | ex3 | ... |
| 00:29.20 | ajikeshi | hrr hrr hrr |
| 00:29.27 | ex3 | hitler maybe? ;x |
| 00:29.49 | ajikeshi | frikinz, and now plz a few 1TB drives and i can fetch the table tomorrow |
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| 00:35.45 | frikinz | like several thousands drives actually if not more |
| 00:35.50 | ewl | fc1Kbapmud fc1K |
| 00:35.55 | ewl | sorry |
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| 00:39.04 | ajikeshi | frikinz, yes... that could be the problem with it :D |
| 00:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes |
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| 00:39.42 | ajikeshi | if your passphrase is as random as a good salt it will be quite difficult |
| 00:40.22 | cast | it's not feasible to use rainbow tables for adequately salted passwords :). it amazes me they're still in use, but then again, it seems to be mostly for windows things.... |
| 00:42.01 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 00:42.08 | ajikeshi | but theyre still useful imo |
| 00:42.15 | ajikeshi | depending on the size of the hash |
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| 00:43.06 | Big_Brother | I hate you all. ;_; |
| 00:43.15 | cast | even 2 bytes of salt is going to make your rainbow table far too big to bother with |
| 00:44.18 | ajikeshi | yeah... |
| 00:44.33 | ajikeshi | unless your pass is just 4 chars xD |
| 00:44.49 | cast | if your pass is 4 chars why bother with a rainbow table :) |
| 00:45.02 | ajikeshi | hehe xD |
| 00:45.08 | ajikeshi | youre right :D |
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| 00:48.31 | cast | if you had a 4 char password to attack, lets say with a 2 char salt, using a precomputed rainbow table way would involve doing 64k times more work [to make said table] then just attacking it without the table |
| 00:48.46 | Big_Brother | Ok, so i somewhat fixed my bootup issue and my password problem but /home doesn't seem to have been set. any ideas? |
| 00:48.55 | cast | 'set' as in? |
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| 00:49.05 | cast | $HOME is empty? /home isn't mounted? |
| 00:49.13 | Big_Brother | Nope. |
| 00:49.16 | Big_Brother | Doesn't seem so. |
| 00:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still gooey and not firm... |
| 00:49.27 | Big_Brother | I log in but it asks me if i want to use / as a temp |
| 00:49.43 | cast | have you tried mounting /home then? |
| 00:49.55 | Big_Brother | I go on, says $HOME isn't defined, click close and then it bumps me out. |
| 00:50.14 | bolt | Big_Brother: check fstab |
| 00:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | go to the console, log in as root, roots $HOME is on the root partition |
| 00:50.31 | Big_Brother | Bolt, where is fstab again ? |
| 00:50.35 | bolt | Big_Brother: /etc |
| 00:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, that was concrete I was thinking about |
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| 00:52.55 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it's hard to follow when people are talking about construction and when they're on about software in here :) |
| 00:53.21 | bolt | cd house |
| 00:53.22 | bolt | make |
| 00:53.24 | bolt | dammit. |
| 00:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, cd $HOME; make install |
| 00:54.40 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: ah |
| 00:55.02 | bolt | it built a doghouse :( |
| 00:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleep; cat food; |
| 00:55.34 | bolt | maybe ./configure |
| 00:56.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, you're not ignoring dpkg, are you? |
| 00:57.09 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: nowai |
| 00:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | just you kept wondering about the root-pwd factoid after it's already been called up |
| 00:57.27 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. like i told abrotman, i just missed it |
| 00:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I missed you saying you missed it... sorrry |
| 00:57.59 | bolt | factoid name was so compact, i didn't think it was relevant to the current issue i was discussing |
| 00:58.35 | thewanderer1 | apt-cache depends nosuchpackage |
| 00:58.36 | thewanderer1 | E: Handler silently failed |
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| 00:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well good... now everything's as clear as mud |
| 00:58.47 | thewanderer1 | does "misleading error message" qualify as a bug? |
| 00:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | or as concrete, as it might be |
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| 00:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you fail, at least do it silently? |
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| 00:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | used to say W: Unable to locate package nosuchpackage |
| 01:00.05 | thewanderer1 | it should say that |
| 01:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a bug to me |
| 01:00.42 | thewanderer1 | with `show` command it does, but with `depends` it confuses me :P |
| 01:00.45 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 01:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not a very severe one, though |
| 01:01.00 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 01:01.49 | thewanderer1 | I just got pretty scared of memory errors when this came up :P |
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| 01:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me like it goes through all Packages lists until it runs out of |
| 01:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it fails with an error, but there's no error message |
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| 01:08.39 | gnoob | anyone know how to competely remove screenoutput for vms with qemu/kvm? Would like to redirect all to /dev/null .. no vnc wanted :p want to use ssh instead using port redirection:) |
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| 01:08.56 | thewanderer1 | gnoob: -nographic |
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| 01:10.01 | gnoob | thewanderer1: thanks, Should I just add a '&' on the end and ill start many vms on same tty? |
| 01:10.21 | thewanderer1 | gnoob: no, you should use screen sessions instead so that you can reconnect to the monitor afterwards |
| 01:10.45 | thewanderer1 | (this way you get it daemonized, in a crude manner) |
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| 01:11.15 | gnoob | thewanderer1: ahh, looks like thats the thing I have been struggeling with then :D |
| 01:11.51 | thewanderer1 | the monitor likes to capture the pty/tty because it expects rich input, kind of like screen (control sequences etc.) |
| 01:11.54 | gnoob | sorry the noob question but screen session you mean using the "screen" tool? |
| 01:12.00 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 01:12.34 | thewanderer1 | screen -S SomeNiceName kvm -option1 -option2 -nographic |
| 01:12.58 | thewanderer1 | then you can detach from it with C-a d, and reconnecting is done via screen -R |
| 01:13.03 | thewanderer1 | see the manpage anyway :P |
| 01:13.20 | gnoob | thewanderer1: awesome!! Have been struggeling a bit with this! Ill read up on screen command.. If Id like to run server from ssh too would that complicate things? |
| 01:13.46 | thewanderer1 | as in, start kvm remotely? |
| 01:13.55 | gnoob | yeah |
| 01:14.17 | thewanderer1 | you can run screen in daemonized mode so that it detaches right after launching the command - stays in the background |
| 01:14.26 | thewanderer1 | so it's not a problem at all |
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| 01:14.44 | gnoob | ok if I ask how :p |
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| 01:14.52 | gnoob | &? |
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| 01:15.35 | thewanderer1 | screen -m -d -S name kvm -youroption |
| 01:15.41 | thewanderer1 | and run that via ssh |
| 01:15.54 | thewanderer1 | (-m -d is a combo documented in man screen :P ) |
| 01:16.42 | gnoob | awesome :D Thanks a lot! Would take me quite a lot of time to get this I think, Ill read the doc anyway though to learn :) Looks like a nice piece of program |
| 01:17.08 | thewanderer1 | if it managed windows, I'd be using instead of KDE right now |
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| 01:17.19 | gnoob | :) cool! |
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| 01:17.36 | fas3r | hello |
| 01:17.55 | holycow | hi guys |
| 01:17.58 | thewanderer1 | I once tried to implement window management in ncurses on Gentoo (didn't know how to run X...) but got bored after a week. still, screen can manage tiled console :) |
| 01:18.17 | Jarvis | gnoob: you might look into using libvirt for managing kvm guests |
| 01:18.22 | fas3r | can i use the command "su - nameofmyuser" in a script to execute a part of a script with a different user then use the command "exit" to come back to the previous user ? |
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| 01:18.34 | thewanderer1 | Jarvis: uh. that's an overkill :D |
| 01:19.06 | holycow | i have a problem with emacs occasionally racing out of control and using up all the ram/swap space available. is there anything that can be done to monitor resources used by a specific binary and when it hits a ceiling have the system kill it? |
| 01:19.09 | Jarvis | thewanderer1: depends what u need, and it simplifies just about everythinf :) |
| 01:19.16 | Jarvis | everything |
| 01:19.20 | Jarvis | damn keyboard |
| 01:19.32 | thewanderer1 | Jarvis: yes, besides having to learn the ways of XML and submitting your whole OS to it :) |
| 01:19.41 | Jarvis | lol |
| 01:19.50 | Bushmills | fas3r: su - user -c command |
| 01:19.55 | holycow | i'm researching things like setrlimit but i don't see anything that can watch a particular binary for specific behaviour limits |
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| 01:20.13 | thewanderer1 | holycow: you can set a per-session limit |
| 01:20.18 | Jarvis | thewanderer1: iirc you can get away without learning xml for a lot of thingsm but yes i get your point :) |
| 01:20.23 | fas3r | Bushmills oki many thanks :) |
| 01:20.24 | holycow | thewanderer1: *hmm* googling |
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| 01:20.44 | thewanderer1 | /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 01:21.04 | thewanderer1 | but a better solution is writing a wrapper script, to be placed in your custom $PATH, to launch emacs with ulimit applied |
| 01:21.15 | holycow | oh! |
| 01:21.47 | Big_Brother | How do i fix broken packages |
| 01:21.54 | Big_Brother | ? |
| 01:21.57 | holycow | yes that indeed is what i ws looking for. i htnak you kind sir |
| 01:22.08 | thewanderer1 | I feel htnaked very much |
| 01:22.31 | holycow | heh |
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| 01:26.31 | tprow | hello |
| 01:26.51 | tprow | how can I change the configure arguments when recompiling a debian package? |
| 01:27.01 | thewanderer1 | tprow: see debian/rules |
| 01:27.04 | tprow | how do I compile a debian package without checkinstall anyways, the official Debian way? |
| 01:27.27 | thewanderer1 | tprow: you usually call `debian/rules binary` and poof! a package appears |
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| 01:27.36 | cast | tprow: read the new maintainers guide |
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| 01:27.50 | tprow | oh yeah.... |
| 01:28.01 | tprow | how do I get debhelper? |
| 01:28.07 | Big_Brother | How do i fix broken packages ? |
| 01:28.10 | tprow | and other debian package tools? |
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| 01:28.48 | thewanderer1 | tprow: install debhelper package... |
| 01:28.59 | samantha- | connecting to samba on squeeze. on w7, all i get is an endless authentication dialog. i enabled fallback to ntlm1, and i enabled the user via smbpasswd ... so ... where do i go now? |
| 01:29.36 | tprow | oh, and how do I get gcc 4.5.1? |
| 01:29.38 | tprow | I'm on sid |
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| 01:30.08 | tprow | I'm sick of debian including an OLD gcc |
| 01:30.25 | cast | i'm sick of people using sid and asking newbie questions :( |
| 01:30.36 | tprow | I know of the experimental repository |
| 01:31.14 | tprow | cast, nvm, I found gcc-4.5 package |
| 01:32.15 | tprow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.15 | tprow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.21 | tprow | aw man :( |
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| 01:32.51 | samantha- | sucks to be you. so go fix it. |
| 01:33.14 | tprow | I know of no way to fix it |
| 01:33.23 | samantha- | you're using sid. go learn. |
| 01:33.30 | tprow | how do I learn? |
| 01:33.38 | samantha- | google. |
| 01:33.39 | tprow | where do I get the documentation to learn? |
| 01:33.46 | tprow | google is not an answer |
| 01:33.49 | thewanderer1 | 42 |
| 01:33.59 | tprow | I have been using Linux for at least 3 years... |
| 01:34.03 | samantha- | that's a good answer. |
| 01:34.17 | tprow | samantha-, google is NOT an answer! |
| 01:34.48 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: if possible, run samba in debug mode and see what is happening under the hood |
| 01:35.04 | tprow | do any of you guys think google is not an answer? |
| 01:35.51 | samantha- | thewanderer1, log here: http://pastebin.ca/2029447 |
| 01:36.30 | thewanderer1 | sorry, "google is the answer" has 225 million results while "google is not the answer" has 191 million results |
| 01:36.50 | tprow | damnit |
| 01:37.06 | tprow | google is not a substitute for providing official debian documentation] |
| 01:37.08 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: firewall? |
| 01:37.15 | samantha- | thewanderer1, no firewall. |
| 01:37.17 | tprow | you guys are.... |
| 01:37.24 | thewanderer1 | tprow: yes. start with debian.org and follow the links, really |
| 01:37.29 | thewanderer1 | it's all there |
| 01:37.30 | samantha- | ... volunteers. take what you get or go away. |
| 01:38.03 | samantha- | tprow, also, google "how to ask smart questions" and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky" |
| 01:38.14 | tprow | ok, here is a smart question |
| 01:38.33 | samantha- | you think i'm joking. i'm not. go read the essay. |
| 01:39.05 | tprow | How do I learn how to fix package dependency unsatisfied problems in sid? I have been using debian for about 1 year, but it has been a while since I last used it. |
| 01:39.22 | cast | switch to stable or testing, wait 4 more years |
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| 01:39.25 | tprow | I think I can just recompile the source package of the dependency that is missing and install it |
| 01:39.46 | thewanderer1 | !tell tprow about uupdate |
| 01:40.25 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: an authentication error it is. do you have your users configured properly? |
| 01:41.00 | samantha- | thewanderer1, i have added the user via smbuser -a <username> and set a password that matches both my w7 password and the unix user password of the cooresponding username. |
| 01:41.04 | tprow | thewanderer1, thank you |
| 01:41.07 | samantha- | sorry smbpasswd |
| 01:41.23 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: and is the user on the allowed users list? |
| 01:41.34 | thewanderer1 | (some smb.conf setting) |
| 01:41.53 | tprow | um...what is this /lib/init/rw doing here? |
| 01:42.16 | tprow | why are the initramfs files being kept after boot? |
| 01:42.25 | samantha- | thewanderer1, swat gave me "valid users = %S" ... this is a default value. i do not remember having to edit any such setting in the past, ergo, if it's wrong, i've no clue :) |
| 01:43.09 | ailo | tprow: Never used sid myself, since it is the "unstable" version. Have you added repositories? |
| 01:43.18 | thewanderer1 | tprow: you sure it's mounted? |
| 01:43.54 | tprow | tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid,relatime,mode=755 0 0 |
| 01:44.09 | thewanderer1 | funny. I don't have this one :) |
| 01:44.18 | thewanderer1 | I bet it's in your /etc/fstab |
| 01:44.38 | tprow | nope |
| 01:44.40 | tprow | :q |
| 01:44.46 | tprow | it is not in my /etc/fstab |
| 01:44.52 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: tried with another client? try Windows XP if you have one handy, otherwise some smbclient or so |
| 01:45.14 | thewanderer1 | tprow: did you get it from `mount` or /proc/mounts ? |
| 01:45.27 | samantha- | thewanderer1, no other clients available, sadly. now a w7-only shop at the moment. i'm prepping for an ubuntu install on a laptop but that'll take a while |
| 01:45.46 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: you can install a smbclient locally and test it |
| 01:45.47 | tprow | thewanderer1, /proc/mounts |
| 01:46.13 | thewanderer1 | tprow: that's normal then. when Linux boots, it is fetched an initramfs image and mounts the said dir |
| 01:46.25 | tprow | ok... |
| 01:46.33 | thewanderer1 | tprow: pivot_root was indeed executed, but the directory is not umounted at any time |
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| 01:46.59 | thewanderer1 | it's like chroot :P |
| 01:48.13 | tprow | ok, is it correct that what you are saying is that it is safe to unmount it, even if I choose to reboot after unmounting it? I.E, unmounting /lib/init/rw will not have any affect on the stop actions in /etc/init.d? |
| 01:48.53 | samantha- | thewanderer1, again, NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. |
| 01:49.35 | samantha- | samba config here: http://pastebin.ca/2029450 |
| 01:49.38 | thewanderer1 | tprow: it won't because init is operating within the new root |
| 01:49.49 | thewanderer1 | tprow: however it might be extremely difficult to umount it :P |
| 01:50.44 | tprow | hahahahahah yeah right |
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| 01:52.08 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: does the user you're connecting as have access to that path? |
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| 01:52.25 | thewanderer1 | samantha-: (verify locally by su'ing to that user and navigating there and looking around the dir) |
| 01:53.44 | samantha- | thewanderer1, i've run into file permission problems before. as this is a single user setup, file permissions are less an issue, ergo, i have set the user to be owner of the directory. so the answer to your question is yet. |
| 01:53.45 | samantha- | yes. |
| 01:54.17 | thewanderer1 | have you verified that by actually entering the directory and listing its contents? |
| 01:54.27 | samantha- | thewanderer1, aye. |
| 01:55.11 | thewanderer1 | see samba log |
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| 01:55.26 | samantha- | which log? |
| 01:56.04 | thewanderer1 | something like /var/log/samba* |
| 01:56.06 | thewanderer1 | or smb* |
| 01:56.46 | thewanderer1 | actually, when does the problem emerge? upon trying to mount the share, or later? |
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| 01:57.01 | samantha- | upon trying to connect to the share, eg \\shooter\share |
| 01:57.25 | samantha- | windows/smbclient pops a username/password dialog, which fails |
| 01:57.58 | samantha- | log from attempt with smbclient: http://pastebin.ca/2029457 |
| 01:58.40 | samantha- | command line was: smbclient -U <username> //shooter/raid |
| 02:00.24 | thewanderer1 | alright, what does the server log say? |
| 02:01.59 | samantha- | var/logg/samba/log.smbd is here: http://pastebin.ca/2029458 |
| 02:02.43 | thewanderer1 | eh, it's a mess and doesn't tell anything in particular |
| 02:03.36 | thewanderer1 | are you running SELinux? |
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| 02:04.42 | samantha- | no. this is a stock squeeze install. |
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| 02:05.39 | thewanderer1 | set security = share option |
| 02:05.50 | thewanderer1 | security = SHARE |
| 02:06.09 | thewanderer1 | and you need something like workgroup... |
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| 02:09.46 | samantha- | could it be pam? |
| 02:10.06 | thewanderer1 | of course it could, but the workgroup has to be the same, to begin with |
| 02:10.21 | thewanderer1 | (at least so it seems to me) |
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| 02:10.33 | thewanderer1 | or... any workgroup should be defined on the server |
| 02:10.44 | samantha- | did that, restarted, still same errors. |
| 02:11.31 | thewanderer1 | then I have no idea |
| 02:11.47 | thewanderer1 | and it's 3am so it's high time I went from here :P |
| 02:12.14 | samantha- | kk ty |
| 02:13.44 | samantha- | i would like to at least get this fixed before my array rebuild is done |
| 02:17.33 | Big_Brother | I have a HighPoint RocketRAID 2640x1, what driver would be recommended? |
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| 02:21.17 | abrotman | we would need the PCI ID |
| 02:21.51 | gnoob | thewanderer1 when using kvm, how to know if Im using qemu, kqemu or kvm? :) Im using qemu command.. you happen to know? Im running on cpu with wmx flag and vmx enamled from bios.. Does it run kvm if possible and "qemu-mode" if HWvirtualizing is nessesary? |
| 02:22.17 | Big_Brother | Abrotman: 2:00.0? |
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| 02:25.58 | sontek | what is the app that searches for what package a file is in? |
| 02:28.21 | Coweater | apt-file |
| 02:28.54 | samantha- | how can i forcel aptitude overwrite existing files when installing a package? |
| 02:29.20 | Devastator | i would purge first and then install again |
| 02:30.06 | samantha- | ty |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | Big_Brother: the XXXX:XXXX at the end of lspci -nn |
| 02:31.01 | abrotman | !confnew |
| 02:31.01 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 02:31.30 | samantha- | so the purge worked, but upon reinstall, the configuration files i need recreated were not recreated. |
| 02:31.34 | Big_Brother | Abrotman: 1003:2640 |
| 02:31.39 | Big_Brother | Abrotman: 1103:2640 |
| 02:31.46 | Big_Brother | The second one. |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1103:2640 |
| 02:32.07 | judd | [1103:2640] is 'RocketRAID 2640 SAS/SATA Controller' from 'HighPoint Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1103:2640 |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | whoops |
| 02:32.50 | Big_Brother | :\ |
| 02:32.51 | Devastator | samantha- which ones? |
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| 02:36.30 | samantha- | Devastator, /etc/samba. dpkg -i --force-confnew <deb> and apt-get and aptitude all fail. |
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| 02:37.21 | samantha- | the example in confmiss also fails. |
| 02:37.41 | Devastator | way out my knowledge :| |
| 02:39.28 | samantha- | except for waiting for the raid array to format ext3, i could have rebuilt the entire machine with the amount of time i've spent waiting on this. :-( |
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| 02:47.34 | froggyman | I'm trying to install dropbox on squeeze and when I download the i386 deb it says that its missing dependencies |
| 02:47.42 | froggyman | How can I fix them? |
| 02:47.48 | samantha- | install them? |
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| 02:48.41 | froggyman | is there a meta package for them? |
| 02:50.51 | samantha- | as dropbox is a non-free package ... no. |
| 02:50.54 | cast | whoa, cfdisk has changed a lot |
| 02:52.12 | froggyman | samantha-, isn't nautilus-dropbox released on the GNU GPL though? |
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| 02:53.26 | samantha- | froggyman, no idea. take a look at the list of dependencies you're missing, and then try "aptitude install <dependency>" and see if it installs. |
| 02:54.32 | froggyman | samantha-, I'll give that a shot then |
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| 03:22.35 | Angel-SL | hi, what should I do about this when upgrading to squeeze? |
| 03:22.36 | Angel-SL | W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 03:22.36 | Angel-SL | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE |
| 03:22.58 | bolt | !no public key |
| 03:22.58 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/ |
| 03:23.47 | bolt | !etch key |
| 03:23.47 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 03:23.49 | bolt | try that |
| 03:23.54 | Devastator | i'm bored, is there anything i can do to help? |
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| 03:29.54 | tprow | is this ok for building a new binary package on debian? |
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| 03:30.05 | tprow | ./configure --host=i486-linux-gnu \ |
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| 03:36.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:36.54 | lenswipe | im having trouble instlaling RVM |
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| 03:36.55 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/Gt3D0Q7y |
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| 03:37.50 | tprow | um...install git |
| 03:37.52 | tprow | damn |
| 03:38.13 | lenswipe | git is already the newest version. |
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| 03:38.50 | streuner__ | dpkg, info rvm |
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| 03:41.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 03:41.24 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:41.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to setup email notification for nagios |
| 03:41.43 | lenswipe | i installed ruby manually because the version in the repos is probably older than i am, to that end it installed in /usr/local/ruby |
| 03:41.48 | lenswipe | to get rid of it, can i just delete the directory? |
| 03:41.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | i was wdonering if it uses a default connection to the email software installed? |
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| 03:42.34 | beanerman | HII!!! |
| 03:43.05 | ThePub | lenswipe: anything not tracked by the package manager can be freely removed, sure. you're going to have to cleanup any other files in /etc and environment you've setup too. |
| 03:43.25 | beanerman | hello. |
| 03:43.36 | beanerman | HEY\ |
| 03:43.40 | beanerman | CUNTSQABS |
| 03:44.22 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 03:48.54 | Big_Brother | Is it worth installing Squeeze to a desktop even though it has been frozen ? |
| 03:50.01 | cast | afraid it won't break? |
| 03:51.21 | tharkun | Big_Brother: Depends on what you are doing on the desktop. But if you can live with a few broken apps and the ocasional "This piece of crap will not start" then it is ok |
| 03:52.05 | Big_Brother | I have it on my netbook |
| 03:52.10 | Big_Brother | And it's working rather fine. |
| 03:52.41 | streuner__ | Why do you ask then? |
| 03:52.56 | tharkun | seconds the questions |
| 03:53.08 | Big_Brother | I have it on a netbook |
| 03:53.22 | Big_Brother | That won't be running 24/7. |
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| 03:53.53 | ThePub | Big_Brother: What else would you install? |
| 03:53.56 | tharkun | what? your run windows on your netbook every other day? |
| 03:54.20 | Big_Brother | ThePub: wine, utorrent and mIRC under wine. |
| 03:54.40 | ThePub | Big_Brother: but what does squeeze have to do with those? |
| 03:55.03 | ThePub | Big_Brother: the only "newer" alternative would be to run Sid(Testing) which isn't a very great choice. |
| 03:55.04 | tharkun | goes back to coding |
| 03:55.06 | Big_Brother | Any available RAID driver for RocketRAID 2640x1. |
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| 03:56.34 | Akkadius | 0 |
| 03:57.38 | ThePub | Big_Brother: although I have to wonder.. why run utorrent/mirc under wine, are the foss alternatives not doing something for you? irssi for example is an awesome irc client, and transmission or ktorrent offer great torrent features. |
| 03:58.36 | ThePub | Big_Brother: and the versions in squeeze are pretty close to the current release cycles for all of those. so suppose I don't understand your question. Sounds liek you run Windows software on Linux.. and in that case Wine's version only matters in-as-much-as it will run the software you need/want. |
| 03:58.43 | Big_Brother | Irssi would need much work and it's not a GUI in the end, Transmission couldn't be any less worthless. |
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| 04:00.07 | Big_Brother | I thought maybe i could get a working driver for my RocketRAID 2640x1 in Squeeze better than in Lenny. |
| 04:00.37 | cast | irssi is awesome. weechat seems the only worthy competitor |
| 04:00.52 | ThePub | Hardware drivers are going to be related to the Linux kernel. You could definitely upgrade that seperate of your debian release if a newer kernel has the right drivers. |
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| 04:01.10 | cast | given debian is the free OS, i feel we should discourage people from running mIRC under it |
| 04:01.23 | ThePub | Big_Brother: honestly though you would need to do that research on your own, I have no clue what hardware drivers are where :) |
| 04:01.38 | cast | it is a great example of a piece of software that doesn't win on any grounds, other than familarity |
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| 04:02.09 | ThePub | cast: it has been around since the win3.1 days, some people like "going home" :) |
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| 04:03.00 | Big_Brother | Cast: if i had a nice IPS panel (2560x1600) i'd sure as hell try and run multiple IRSSI instances in seperate windows. |
| 04:03.03 | cast | "so has herpes" |
| 04:03.06 | ThePub | But yeah, Irssi rocks imo. I have it setup on a hotkey to popup under xterm and scripts which update relavant portions of my desktop if necessary. |
| 04:03.21 | cast | Big_Brother: why would you run multiple irssi instances |
| 04:03.31 | ThePub | Good question.. why run multiples? |
| 04:03.40 | ThePub | irssi has the best multi-server support I've seen. |
| 04:03.41 | Big_Brother | I hate scrolling through different windows. |
| 04:03.58 | Big_Brother | I'd just want to click into the next one and get going. |
| 04:04.20 | Big_Brother | What i don't like about CLI clients is that you have to use a key to go to the next window |
| 04:04.33 | ThePub | nah, there are mouse patches for irssi :) |
| 04:04.44 | ThePub | http://darksun.com.pt/mirage/irssi/ |
| 04:04.45 | cast | yeah, using the keyboard for doing stuff on irc is so slow |
| 04:04.48 | Big_Brother | But while in a GUI, you can just click to the next one and you can even see if there's new activity by the color of the button. |
| 04:04.50 | ThePub | uses those mouse patches :) |
| 04:05.13 | cast | you can see if there's new activity in irssi by the color of the window number |
| 04:05.22 | Big_Brother | Then there's the whole thing about every window being numbered. |
| 04:05.28 | Big_Brother | I don't like that. |
| 04:05.31 | cast | you can also switch to a given window much faster than using the mouse to click |
| 04:05.41 | Big_Brother | "1-22" which was #7? |
| 04:06.12 | cast | when you have 1-22 full channel names, thats when you need the IPS panel to see them all :P |
| 04:06.20 | Big_Brother | Nah |
| 04:06.24 | Big_Brother | Not on a GUI |
| 04:06.29 | cast | at any rate, doesn't xchat give you a gui? |
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| 04:06.43 | Big_Brother | And a miserable GUI at that, cast. |
| 04:06.44 | cast | and decent scripting language options too |
| 04:07.04 | ThePub | yeah, xchat is pretty miserable last time I used it. I'd rather use Pidgin IRC |
| 04:07.15 | ThePub | And that's pretty horrible if you have more than a couple channels, lol |
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| 04:08.04 | ThePub | The irssi mouse patches are pretty awesome though imo :) Mouse gestures for going between channels and ability to click on the active channel numbers in the list. |
| 04:08.28 | ThePub | additionally they're setup as irssi commands so they can be changed/molded however you like. |
| 04:08.43 | cast | wonders what KDEs irc client is called |
| 04:08.51 | ThePub | used to be ksirc |
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| 04:09.11 | ThePub | dunno with kde 4.0 though if that has changed. |
| 04:09.54 | ThePub | Big_Brother: here you go.. the ultimate irc client: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ :) |
| 04:10.02 | cast | do you think the hassle of getting mIRC running and having to pay for it, and its uglyness, and the lack of support by debian is made up for by the like of its gui interface? |
| 04:10.42 | Hydroxide | cast: not only don't we support it, isn't it windows-only? |
| 04:11.11 | ThePub | apparently it works well under Wine. Good enough to replace all the Linux clients. |
| 04:11.16 | cast | proprietary, windows only, is only a 30$ trial... |
| 04:11.27 | cast | erm, 30 day :), then some number of dollars |
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| 04:11.54 | Big_Brother | It's like 15$ for a lifetime key. |
| 04:12.20 | cast | i do remmeber when i switched from windows/mirc to gnu/irssi, and how great it was to not have to run 3 copies of my irc client to connect to three different networks |
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| 04:12.46 | Big_Brother | Also, cast: the trial doesn't necessarily end at 30 days... i used it for about 2 years before i bought the key- just to avoid that 10 second annoyance. |
| 04:12.49 | cast | or to not have my irc client crash when someone dcced me a 300 byte file name |
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| 04:13.32 | cast | Big_Brother: does the licence permit using past the 30 day marc? |
| 04:14.01 | Big_Brother | "lifetime key" |
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| 04:23.22 | cast | "mIRC can be downloaded freely and evaluated for up to 30 days. If after evaluating mIRC you find that you like it and wish to continue using it, you will need to register your copy." doesn't sound like it |
| 04:23.22 | cast | hey wait a second, so you pirated mirc for 23 months?! |
| 04:23.31 | cast_ | that sure took me a while to get through |
| 04:23.46 | cast_ | i said that 9 minutes ago :( |
| 04:23.51 | ThePub | oh, just drop it, it isn't important :) |
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| 04:24.06 | cast_ | isn't it |
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| 04:24.37 | cast_ | free software is critical to debian :P |
| 04:25.03 | ThePub | part of the reason people should use Debian and FOSS in general is choice, if they want to choose a closed-source option then it is by all means their /choice/ right? ^_^ |
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| 04:25.41 | cast_ | sure. i'm not mandating that we stop them, merely that we just tell them not to |
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| 04:26.22 | cast_ | and i don't really believe support in aid of running proprietary applications belongs here |
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| 04:26.36 | ThePub | I'm more concerned myself with the lack of quality in the choice. There are a ton of wonderful alternatives that run natively and they're not chosen... boggles my mind, personally. |
| 04:27.29 | ThePub | cast_: But the point of Wine is to do just that, no? :) Wouldn't support mIRC, no, but the question originally wasn't about mIRC, instead it turned out to be a debated about it. |
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| 04:29.46 | cast_ | well, the user was trying to decide what release to use, given the criteria that he wanted to run wine, utorrent and mirc |
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| 04:30.08 | cast_ | there are plenty of non-proprietary applications that will run under wine! |
| 04:30.17 | ThePub | really it turned out he was more concerned about a hardware driver for a raid controller. |
| 04:30.59 | cast_ | how does that work o_0 |
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| 04:31.26 | ThePub | 21:00 < Big_Brother> I thought maybe i could get a working driver for my RocketRAID 2640x1 in Squeeze better than in Lenny. |
| 04:31.42 | cast_ | what would the driver enable? management of the array? |
| 04:31.49 | ThePub | shrugs |
| 04:31.55 | cast_ | this sounds fishy |
| 04:32.02 | ThePub | anyways, off to work :) |
| 04:32.05 | cast_ | Big_Brother: what happens when you don't have the driver? |
| 04:32.29 | cast_ | later! |
| 04:34.19 | Big_Brother | Cast: i can't find the RAID array. |
| 04:34.59 | cast | is it a mirror? |
| 04:35.08 | Big_Brother | Mirror? |
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| 04:35.32 | cast | the simplest RAID |
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| 04:35.45 | Big_Brother | RAID1/0 ? |
| 04:35.46 | Big_Brother | No. |
| 04:35.48 | Big_Brother | RAID5. |
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| 04:36.06 | rigved | cast: RAID 0? |
| 04:36.20 | cast | RAID1 is a mirror. |
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| 04:39.02 | cast | hmm, so the raid card is fake raid? |
| 04:39.21 | Big_Brother | So it seems. |
| 04:39.36 | Big_Brother | But the purpose of the system is to be an NAS with a few extra features. |
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| 04:40.04 | Big_Brother | Eventually, i intend to add more ram and make the system something more. |
| 04:40.22 | cast | can you just switch to SW raid? :) seems much less painful |
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| 04:40.35 | Big_Brother | SW? |
| 04:40.41 | cast | software |
| 04:41.05 | Big_Brother | I can't at this point... |
| 04:42.27 | cast | i've heard mdadm can read some fake raid arrays, but have never done it myself |
| 04:42.46 | abrotman | !dmraid |
| 04:42.46 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 04:43.09 | tharkun | greets abrotman before going back to coding |
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| 05:01.51 | rigved | if i wanted to install Debian Sqeeze and Ubuntu Lucid on the same machine, then which partitions can be shared by them? /boot, /home, /tmp, /usr, /srv, /opt, /usr/local |
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| 05:34.05 | JairunCaloth | sharing partitions is asking for trouble IMO |
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| 05:35.27 | JairunCaloth | might get away with sharing /home. But don't be supprised if one overwrites a .config file or something |
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| 05:37.36 | bocaneri | It's precisely the .configs that I recommend *against* sharing homes. |
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| 05:38.13 | JairunCaloth | yeah, you might get two different versions of the same app installed that have changes in the config file |
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| 05:38.20 | JairunCaloth | no bueno |
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| 05:45.34 | Angel-SL | hi, how should I fix this? (while upgrading to squeeze) |
| 05:45.35 | Angel-SL | error: Problems detected: insserv: warning: script 'S10vzquota' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'vzquota' missing LSB tags and overrides, , package fam removed but not purged |
| 05:45.57 | rigved | JairunCaloth: ok. but i can share swap, right? as long as i do not hibernate in one and then open the other? |
| 05:47.58 | rigved | JairunCaloth: also, in the manual mount option for a partition, i can specify /media/Shared as the partition to be shared between the two installations, right? this way i can share and also not affect any configurations |
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| 05:50.28 | JairunCaloth | rigved: I think you are correct about swap. Don't take my work on that though. Best way to share a partition is like you said. Manually configure something that's not going to be used otherwise. |
| 05:51.03 | macrobat | rigved: you could make a "media" partition with video, audio, pics, isos and such, then share that partition. maybe make a "media" group that owns it and add accounts to it |
| 05:52.12 | JairunCaloth | I actually usually mount my odd stuff like that in /home/adescriptivename |
| 05:52.17 | JairunCaloth | but it's really up to you |
| 05:52.33 | rigved | JairunCaloth, macrobat: thanx |
| 05:52.36 | JairunCaloth | I think it's more common to put it under /mnt/ |
| 05:52.42 | JairunCaloth | ex /mnt/sharedmedia |
| 05:52.49 | rigved | macrobat: i'll give it a try |
| 05:53.07 | rigved | JairunCaloth: ok. :) |
| 05:53.30 | macrobat | perhaps make symlinks ln -s /mnt/sharedmedia/vids ~/vids |
| 05:53.51 | JairunCaloth | yup, exactly how I do it |
| 05:54.20 | JairunCaloth | it all comes down to what's easiest for you |
| 05:54.33 | rigved | macrobat: hmmm. manually in each account. ok. that's good enough for me as only 3 accounts. |
| 05:55.23 | rigved | JairunCaloth: yes. symlinks are easy for the other people on this machine to use then. |
| 05:55.44 | rigved | macrobat, JairunCaloth: thanx again. :) |
| 05:56.01 | macrobat | have fun |
| 05:56.13 | JairunCaloth | can you use /etc/skel to setup a simlink like that? |
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| 05:59.16 | JairunCaloth | score |
| 05:59.17 | JairunCaloth | it works |
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| 06:00.31 | JairunCaloth | rigved: add the symlink to /etc/skel it will be copied to new user's homedir's automaticly |
| 06:00.39 | Angel-SL | hi, how should I fix this? (while upgrading to squeeze) |
| 06:00.40 | Angel-SL | error: Problems detected: insserv: warning: script 'S10vzquota' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'vzquota' missing LSB tags and overrides, , package fam removed but not purged |
| 06:01.06 | rigved | JairunCaloth: wow. just what i was looking for. thanx a bunch. :) |
| 06:03.31 | JairunCaloth | np |
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| 06:04.17 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 06:04.20 | lenswipe | anyone know why i cant install E: Couldn't find package libreadline6 |
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| 06:06.05 | JairunCaloth | lenswipe: doublecheck your package name |
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| 06:06.39 | lenswipe | JairunCaloth, ok |
| 06:06.39 | JairunCaloth | well or not, it's good |
| 06:06.43 | lenswipe | ? |
| 06:07.02 | JairunCaloth | I just did aptitude search and it found it |
| 06:07.11 | lenswipe | really? |
| 06:07.12 | lenswipe | ...weird |
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| 06:07.18 | JairunCaloth | got anything weird going on in your sources.list? |
| 06:07.32 | JairunCaloth | have you run an update? |
| 06:08.08 | lenswipe | yes |
| 06:08.33 | lenswipe | JairunCaloth, https://gist.github.com/755246 |
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| 06:11.09 | JairunCaloth | libreadline6 isn't in lenny |
| 06:11.09 | JairunCaloth | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libreadline6 |
| 06:11.55 | lenswipe | hmmm |
| 06:11.58 | lenswipe | <JairunCaloth> I just did aptitude search and it found it |
| 06:12.02 | JairunCaloth | libreadline5 however is |
| 06:12.06 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 06:12.11 | samantha-- | is there a way to speed up writing inode tables on a huge drive with mkfs? |
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| 06:42.41 | pasquik | Angel-SL: i suggest you to read http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 06:47.31 | umarzuki | hi, how do i start emacs in gnome terminal? |
| 06:48.10 | umarzuki | simply running emacs will pop up a window |
| 06:50.12 | samantha-- | open the terminal and run emacs? |
| 06:51.07 | arjovr | emacs -nw |
| 06:51.11 | umarzuki | samantha--, it opens up another window of emacs |
| 06:52.18 | umarzuki | thanks arjovr. that is what i'm looking for. how did i missed it on the man page ;) |
| 06:53.33 | pasquik | umarzuki: I think you want "emacs -nw" |
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| 06:55.52 | scgtrp | i've installed debian on an acer aspire 5350, kde's power management thing can't seem to see that the battery is inserted or tell how much power is left in it |
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| 07:11.32 | pasquik | perhaps you have a partial ACPI installation |
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| 07:47.22 | samantha-- | is there a way to speed up writing inode tables on a huge drive with mkfs? |
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| 07:48.04 | codygman | Does anyone know if I can make a d-link wua-2340 work with ath5k drivers? |
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| 07:51.04 | codygman | If not, is there anyway to specify to only use ndiswrapper drivers on my usb dongle? |
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| 07:57.28 | erry | Hello uh |
| 07:57.32 | erry | my terminal became gibberish |
| 07:57.35 | erry | ââºâ¼@Aâ¼âââ¤â½:/â´ââ¼/â¬â¬â¬/â»âºââââââ$ |
| 07:58.13 | zinx | cat |
| 07:58.14 | zinx | ^O |
| 07:58.24 | zinx | ^D |
| 07:58.37 | erry | oh nevermind |
| 07:58.46 | erry | it works if i open another window |
| 07:58.48 | erry | xD |
| 07:58.49 | zinx | or type reset :P |
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| 07:59.03 | erry | Well i couldn't type anything cause the text i typed was also gibberish |
| 07:59.08 | erry | but yeah |
| 07:59.09 | erry | thanks |
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| 07:59.13 | zinx | ... |
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| 08:27.35 | samantha-- | at its present rebuild rate, my raid5 array will be ready for prime time in ... 3.91 YEARS! |
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| 08:35.03 | Bushmills | that's nothing, in astronomical terms |
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| 08:35.56 | Bushmills | just about the time light travels to our nearest cosmic neighbour |
| 08:36.13 | OpenTokix | samantha--: =) |
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| 08:40.22 | samantha-- | i, however, would like it to finish BEFORE i hit menopause. |
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| 08:41.24 | samantha-- | so. question. i'm getting dog shit slow network copy speeds dumping data onto the array while it's rebuilding. considering that the actual idle rebuild time will be about 60 hours ... should i just wait for the data dump until middle of next week? |
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| 08:44.00 | pebcak | moin |
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| 08:44.21 | pebcak | is somethin wrong with alioth? can't register an account |
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| 08:47.58 | slingshot316 | hey guys ! i got a new netbook and i want to install squeeze in it .. how can i make a bootable usb // |
| 08:47.59 | slingshot316 | ? |
| 08:48.50 | samantha-- | slingshot316, assuming you're starting from windows: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
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| 08:49.19 | slingshot316 | samantha--: no, m in lenny (my desktop) right now |
| 08:49.38 | slingshot316 | samantha--: i tried unnetbootin and its failing :( |
| 08:50.01 | samantha-- | no idea then. |
| 08:50.08 | samantha-- | dd, perhaps? |
| 08:50.27 | slingshot316 | samantha--: debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-CD-50.iso is this the iso for squeeze?? |
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| 08:51.31 | samantha-- | slingshot316, no. that's #50 if i'm not mistaken. use the businesscard installer. |
| 08:51.45 | slingshot316 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:51.58 | slingshot316 | samantha--: what should i download from that link ? |
| 08:52.12 | samantha-- | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:52.46 | samantha-- | the netinst will set up the networking, and then download the remaining packages during install. way more efficient than 53 CD images. |
| 08:52.46 | slingshot316 | and then use unnetbootin or pendrivelinux ? |
| 08:53.00 | samantha-- | how to get it onto the USB drive is up to you. |
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| 08:53.57 | slingshot316 | samantha--: okay, thank you :) |
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| 09:16.56 | WormFood | is there some trick I'm missing, to getting sound to work in iceweasel and pulseaudio? |
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| 09:17.25 | alfred__ | how to install file in my local drive ? what are the command ? |
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| 09:21.21 | buckfast | hi |
| 09:21.37 | buckfast | connected my old debian pc to a lcd tv via VGA cable |
| 09:21.45 | buckfast | debian login screen came up fine |
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| 09:22.00 | buckfast | but when I entered user and pass, the screen just went distorted and hanged |
| 09:22.05 | buckfast | what's the problem |
| 09:22.34 | buckfast | thought I could maybe play some xvids on the big screen |
| 09:22.59 | buckfast | that pc is too slow to play 720p |
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| 09:24.06 | WormFood | buckfast, could it be changing the resolution to something your TeeVee can't handle? |
| 09:24.50 | WormFood | that would be my guess, based on your description of the problem. |
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| 09:27.11 | cybertek | hi, my imap server is not accepting remote connections, anyone know why? |
| 09:28.15 | WormFood | cybertek, the imap daemon got tired, and decided to take a break? |
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| 09:29.25 | WormFood | the imap daemon isn't listening on the correct ip? |
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| 09:30.40 | cybertek | WormFood, no its listening on the right i[ |
| 09:30.42 | cybertek | ip |
| 09:31.10 | WormFood | and how are you testing it? |
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| 09:33.06 | cybertek | telnet 24.199.8.182 25 |
| 09:33.29 | petemc | thats a strange port to run an imap server on |
| 09:33.31 | opi | cybertek: nmap it on IP it should be binded to, check your /var/log/mail.err |
| 09:33.41 | opi | cybertek: that's SMTP port |
| 09:33.46 | WormFood | port 25 is the smtp port |
| 09:33.59 | cybertek | er, smtp not imap |
| 09:34.04 | cybertek | sorry I'm tired |
| 09:34.36 | WormFood | what mail server are you running? |
| 09:34.37 | petemc | some isps block port 25 |
| 09:34.58 | WormFood | yeah, my old datacenter did that |
| 09:35.06 | cybertek | I'm using postfix, and tat sucks |
| 09:35.08 | opi | cybertek: maybe you're using SSLed port? |
| 09:35.09 | cybertek | that* |
| 09:35.27 | petemc | its for a very good reason |
| 09:35.29 | WormFood | if postfix sucks, then why are you using it? |
| 09:35.42 | opi | I'm using postfix, too. Works well, never had any problems with that |
| 09:35.58 | opi | at least I managed to configure things the way I wanted |
| 09:36.02 | WormFood | I've used qmail since at least 1999 |
| 09:36.17 | opi | not the way m4 wanted when Sendmail did its "magic" ;-) |
| 09:36.34 | WormFood | qmail, while tricky to install (not really hard), is pretty easy to work with, and very secure |
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| 09:42.37 | cybertek | well this is weird, when I try to telnet using the localhost IP it works, but when I try using the external IP it doesnt work |
| 09:42.43 | cybertek | root@sonet:/etc/init.d# telnet 192.168.0.2 25 |
| 09:42.43 | cybertek | Trying 192.168.0.2... |
| 09:42.43 | cybertek | Connected to 192.168.0.2. |
| 09:42.43 | cybertek | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 09:42.43 | cybertek | 220 sonet.intertvnet.net ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) |
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| 09:44.28 | rigved | in the Software selection screen while installing Sqeeze from the netinst, is the screen supposed to be blank? or is it supposed to show a progress bar (of how many packages have been downlaoded)? |
| 09:44.42 | cybertek | http://paste.debian.net/103198/ |
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| 09:49.45 | rigved | i have selected the packages which should be downloaded but it seems to be stuck after that. it occasionally uses my internet connection. other times it just seems to be idle |
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| 09:50.22 | simonrvn | cybertek: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:53.13 | buckfast | WormFood: I don't know, the resolution on the login screen covers the whole 32 inch screen, why would it change on login? |
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| 09:56.02 | rigved | in the Software selection screen while installing Sqeeze from the netinst, is the screen supposed to be blank? or is it supposed to show a progress bar (of how many packages have been downlaoded)? |
| 09:56.09 | rigved | i have selected the packages which should be downloaded but it seems to be stuck after that. it occasionally uses my internet connection. other times it just seems to be idle |
| 09:56.38 | rigved | should i start the installation again? |
| 09:57.32 | petemc | switch to the fourth vt and it will show you a log of whats going on |
| 09:57.39 | simonrvn | well, check vt 4 and see if it's doing stuff (it's the syslog screen) |
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| 09:57.48 | cybertek | how can I tell if my ISP is blocking my SMTP port 25? |
| 09:58.03 | petemc | tcptraceroute can check ports along hops |
| 09:59.17 | simonrvn | cybertek: ask in #ubuntu. they probably are unless your eula/tos allows you to do so. once i asked an ex-isp if i could, told them why, and they allowed me to do so. that was close to 10 years ago though. |
| 09:59.39 | simonrvn | pete's suggestion is most excellent too |
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| 10:01.37 | reber | hi there. After an upgrade of squeeze i have now very small fonts on a 10'' screen. How to get previous fonts used instead ? |
| 10:01.58 | rozie | cybertek: take a look on http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ |
| 10:02.21 | rozie | will give much information, not only blocked ports |
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| 10:02.54 | JyZyXEL | is there support using a different sector size than 512 bytes? |
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| 10:04.11 | petemc | some drives do 4k sectors |
| 10:04.26 | JyZyXEL | but does the software do that |
| 10:05.00 | petemc | should do, not tried it myself |
| 10:05.15 | JyZyXEL | where would you even set that |
| 10:05.37 | petemc | fdisk? |
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| 10:06.44 | JyZyXEL | wait what |
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| 10:07.29 | nirazio | I had a DVD image attached to Virtualbox via Virtual Media Manager and had it deleted from my harddrive without removing or "releasing" it from Virtual Media Manager. Now the image is still shown in Virtual Media Manager but the remove and release options are greyed out. Is there a way to get rid of the image shown in Virtual Media Manager? |
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| 10:12.59 | olwm | hi, I recently installed debian squeeze over my lenny install, My configuration line for XKBOptions doesn't seem to be working anymore in my xorg.conf. Is there a new way to configure this? BTW the configuration line was Option "XkbOptions" "grp:menu_toggle,compose:rctrl" |
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| 10:15.52 | simonrvn | rozie: neat little network tester |
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| 10:16.37 | iluminator101 | Your window manager does not support the show desktop button, or you are not running a window manager.??? |
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| 10:20.05 | konraddo | hi, sorry for stupid question.... how to check whether i have gcc-4.1 installed or not? |
| 10:20.34 | echo-area | konraddo: aptitude show gcc-4.1 |
| 10:20.42 | petemc | gcc --version |
| 10:20.56 | opi | konraddo: or just type gcc --version, or gcc<TAB> |
| 10:22.11 | konraddo | ok, thanks, i have gcc 4.3, i've read that gcc-4.1 can co-exist with gcc-4.3 |
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| 10:22.51 | iluminator101 | hi, i am missing gnome-appearance-properties tab? |
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| 10:24.18 | olwm | nvm I figured this out, idiotic change to udev to configure keyboard, not to mention it seems the documentation and system want you to use a config file in /etc/default/ for nondefaults |
| 10:24.28 | babilen | iluminator101: How could we know? Are you? |
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| 10:25.07 | iluminator101 | i am missing the tab, how can this be fixed |
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| 10:25.42 | opi | iluminator101: check out what package holds missing program, --reinstall package? |
| 10:26.32 | babilen | iluminator101: Try to run it manually from the command line (gnome-appearance-properties) if it is not installed, search for it with "apt-file search gnome-appearance-properties" (/msg dpkg apt-file) and install the relevant package (probably gnome-control-center) |
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| 10:26.35 | iluminator101 | Opi how do i find out what package holds this |
| 10:27.01 | opi | iluminator101: check babilen answer |
| 10:27.56 | iluminator101 | this package come up but...like i said the appearance tab in the package is missing |
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| 10:29.04 | babilen | iluminator101: So, you can run it from the command line, but there is no icon to launch it in the control center? (i.e. the program that comes up if you run "gnome-control-center") |
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| 10:30.54 | iluminator101 | k thanks guys....brb |
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| 10:32.07 | babilen | shrugs |
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| 10:51.23 | WormFood | Is it possible to have sound working with flash in iceweasel with pulse audio under 64-bit debian? It seems to be broken |
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| 10:52.49 | WormFood | it seems there are no 32-bit library versions of libwrap and libgdbm...which is what is required for /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so |
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| 11:03.38 | WormFood | and even after you install the 32-bit version of those libs, it STILL does not fuckin' working |
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| 11:04.15 | razzq | Hi, using xrandr 1.3.3 also 1.3.4 gives me a wrong maximmum value on my laptop, it works on PC, any idea how to just correct size using xrandr automatically? thank you |
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| 11:18.26 | AnthonyCL | Hey how do I add source repositories for debian lenny |
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| 11:19.32 | babilen | AnthonyCL: It is as easy as editing your sources.list and adding a "deb-src" line for a "deb" line |
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| 11:20.17 | AnthonyCL | thanks |
| 11:20.27 | babilen | E.g: deb-src http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free |
| 11:20.38 | babilen | with CC replaced by your country code |
| 11:20.38 | AnthonyCL | Duh what time is it.. |
| 11:20.39 | AnthonyCL | jesus. |
| 11:20.41 | AnthonyCL | :) |
| 11:21.03 | babilen | 11:20 UTC |
| 11:22.20 | AnthonyCL | hah. more like 3:23am |
| 11:22.22 | AnthonyCL | pst |
| 11:23.05 | babilen | move to europe, solves a lot of your problems :) |
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| 11:23.15 | AnthonyCL | def. |
| 11:23.19 | AnthonyCL | you hiring me? |
| 11:23.20 | AnthonyCL | ;) |
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| 11:42.28 | macrobat | clicking on new document in openoffice writer opens abiword. i suspect update-alternatives, but i can't find out what "group" the word processors are |
| 11:43.03 | macrobat | using lenny. i'd like to open openoffice from openoffice :D |
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| 11:45.29 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: I think it's your desktop environment config, not alternatives |
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| 11:45.52 | macrobat | ok, it's xfce4, i'll look |
| 11:45.52 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have lots of large files in users' homedirs. any way to compress all that transparently? |
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| 11:47.50 | thewanderer1 | I could migrate to ZFS and enable compression, but performance on zfs-fuse is really poor and it doesn't support POSIX ACL as of now |
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| 11:48.37 | xand | buy more disk |
| 11:48.40 | xingu | thewanderer1: cpu seconds tend to cost more than disk space |
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| 11:49.12 | macrobat | maybe btrfs have compression |
| 11:49.23 | thewanderer1 | does btrfs handle ACL currently? |
| 11:49.52 | thewanderer1 | also, I'm a little bit afraid to use a filesystem marked as EXPERIMENTAL to store all user data on my system |
| 11:49.53 | xingu | thewanderer1: what sort of data is in the large files? compressed video? :) |
| 11:49.57 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 11:50.15 | WormFood | does anyone have sound working in flash on 64-bit debian (squeeze) with pulseaudio? |
| 11:50.17 | thewanderer1 | isos, some game data files (tga images, all kinds of crap), along with lots of small files |
| 11:50.23 | thewanderer1 | actually full /home |
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| 12:00.35 | WormFood | why does dealing with sound under Linux make me feel like it is 1983 again, and I'm working under DOS? I would have thought things would have improved by now, but obviously not. |
| 12:01.09 | noa | WormFood: some stuff move slowly |
| 12:01.27 | jelly-home | WormFood: it keeps being broken again and again. Why are you using pulse at all? |
| 12:01.30 | WormFood | I have to practically crawl through my own asshole just to make sound work under flash on 64-bit linux...what the fuck is this shit? |
| 12:01.46 | jelly-home | WormFood: mind your language if you want help. |
| 12:01.59 | Nepherius | alsa works fine for me :) |
| 12:02.03 | WormFood | I've been fighting with this ALL DAY...I'm rather frustrated |
| 12:02.35 | jelly-home | transferring frustration to other people usually isn't productive |
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| 12:04.31 | jelly-home | WormFood: putting this in .asoundrc breaks alsamixer default, but helps make apps go thru pulse: http://paste.debian.net/103204/ |
| 12:04.47 | jelly-home | WormFood: restart the browser after editing ~/.asoundrc |
| 12:05.08 | xingu | thewanderer1: here's a vaguely interesting approach - http://zlibc.linux.lu/ :) |
| 12:05.18 | xingu | thewanderer1: no warranty express or implied |
| 12:05.25 | WormFood | yeah jelly-home, that was there a long time ago |
| 12:05.28 | macrobat | WormFood: flash sound works for me on x86_64. i use plain alsa, though |
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| 12:06.04 | thewanderer1 | xingu: thanks, but executables are only 1% of this mess :D |
| 12:06.04 | WormFood | macrobat, using the 32-bit flash plugin? |
| 12:06.29 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: Flash is proprietary technology, bug them about that... |
| 12:06.46 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: by the way, didn't work for me with pulseaudio either, so I removed flash :P |
| 12:07.08 | macrobat | i dl:ed libflashplayer.so from adobe and copied to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 12:07.12 | WormFood | yeah, I'd love to remove flash, but unfortunately there are some sites I need to use that require that garbage |
| 12:07.34 | OpenTokix | WormFood: Use chrome for flash-sites, and flash-less browser for the rest. |
| 12:07.39 | thewanderer1 | oh, and Chromium doesn't support pulseaudio in WebM/HTML5 either |
| 12:07.58 | macrobat | i used the 64bit flash |
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| 12:09.09 | WormFood | macrobat, 64-bit flash is no longer supported...it has massive security holes in it |
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| 12:10.46 | macrobat | WormFood: yesterdays news, there is a 10.2 flash called "square". i havent checked in a month, though |
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| 12:11.01 | WormFood | macrobat, also only 32-bit |
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| 12:13.23 | thewanderer1 | eh, Flash is perfectly available for amd64 and with full support |
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| 12:14.12 | WormFood | thewanderer1, when? now? |
| 12:14.46 | WormFood | perhaps you're thinking of when there was a 64-bit version of flash available...now there is no 64-bit flash available. |
| 12:14.54 | thewanderer1 | w00t |
| 12:14.56 | thewanderer1 | again? |
| 12:15.10 | WormFood | yes, again, there is no 64-bit version of flash |
| 12:15.14 | WormFood | they're still working on it |
| 12:15.27 | thewanderer1 | omg, the horror returns |
| 12:15.42 | WormFood | the web would be a lot better off without flash |
| 12:15.45 | macrobat | WormFood: file on the file gives: libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 12:16.22 | thegraham | I've resized an 80GB ext3 partition to 40GB on a USB hard disk using "resize2fs -p /dev/sda2 40G" but when I look at fdisk it now appears as 80GB of FAT32, have I resized it incorrectly? I want to end up with two 40GB ext3 partitions |
| 12:16.44 | WormFood | macrobat, that is no longer available from Adobe, because it has massive security holes |
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| 12:21.38 | jelly-home | WormFood: those have been fixed since, I believe? |
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| 12:22.29 | WormFood | what has been fixed jelly-home? 64-bit flash? |
| 12:23.13 | jelly-home | WormFood: or I might be lying, the penguin.swf blog doesn't show a download |
| 12:24.15 | WormFood | I'm spent a major portion of my day, trying to figure out this shit....I can assure you, there is currently no 64-bit version of flash being distributed by adobe right now. |
| 12:24.25 | jelly-home | but there's a September 2010 article about "A preview release of the next Flash Player (named âSquareâ, designated as version 10.2.161.22) [...] available in both 32- and 64-bit flavorsâ for Linux, |
| 12:24.57 | WormFood | perhaps a few months ago, but now, if there is a 64-bit version of square out, I can not find it on their pages....they only list a 32-bit version |
| 12:25.09 | macrobat | adobe website is a labyrinth of misdirection |
| 12:25.33 | WormFood | no kidding....however, I did find the square page, and no mention of a 64-bit version |
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| 12:25.59 | macrobat | it was there in november atleast |
| 12:26.09 | macrobat | i don't know anymore |
| 12:26.23 | wilberfan | aptitude or apt-get is pretty nifty ... is there a way to completely remove kde4 from my gnome/kde4 system?? |
| 12:26.26 | WormFood | if it is still there now, then it is well hidden |
| 12:26.49 | wilberfan | i wanted to try kde4--but i don't like it, and never use it... |
| 12:27.03 | wilberfan | (and good god, it takes up a lotta disk space!) |
| 12:28.36 | WormFood | wilberfan, I think they are using window's bloat as a development model ;) |
| 12:28.45 | wilberfan | lol |
| 12:28.45 | jelly-home | I guess that's why I still boot i386 Debian instead of amd64 |
| 12:29.05 | WormFood | jelly-home, how much ram do you have in your machine/ |
| 12:29.06 | WormFood | ? |
| 12:29.11 | jelly-home | WormFood: 4GiB |
| 12:29.26 | WormFood | so you're really only using 3 gig, unless you're using PAE, right? |
| 12:30.14 | jelly-home | WormFood: I'm using the -amd64 flavor kernel |
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| 12:30.33 | jelly-home | WormFood: 64bit kernel, i386 userspace. |
| 12:30.45 | WormFood | my laptop has 4 gig in it, and although I run 64-bit windows/linux/osx on it, it only has access to 3 gig of ram, due to the chipset used (but osx reports 4 gig, and pretends like it is all usable) |
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| 12:31.29 | WormFood | for some things, 64-bit was a major performance boost....like vmware is much faster under 64-bit |
| 12:32.08 | jelly-home | we use our vSphere cluster for vmware |
| 12:32.54 | thewanderer1 | fortunately libvirt now works on Debian :) |
| 12:32.58 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 12:32.59 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28 |
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| 12:34.47 | jelly-home | there are some minor issues with 32bit compability of amd64 kernels in Debian though. suspend/hibernate didn't work for me |
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| 12:35.31 | jelly-home | that might be relevant for a laptop machine |
| 12:35.32 | WormFood | heh...I just noticed that on the flash download page, it says "64-bit users: Download a preview release of Flash Player with native support for 64-bit Linux from Adobe Labs.", with a link to http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html but no mention of a 64-bit version of flash at all |
| 12:36.43 | thewanderer1 | heh yeah |
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| 12:37.26 | jelly-home | WormFood: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html |
| 12:37.32 | WormFood | I have to take back what I said before...there is a 64-bit version of square available |
| 12:37.39 | jelly-home | it's hidden well |
| 12:37.43 | razieliyo | hi |
| 12:37.54 | WormFood | they make it not obvious |
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| 12:40.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, flash amd64 ~= s/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_square/ |
| 12:40.00 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jelly-home |
| 12:40.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, "flash amd64" ~= s/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_square/ |
| 12:40.24 | dpkg | jelly-home: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 12:41.12 | jelly-home | phew |
| 12:41.20 | jelly-home | !flash amd64 |
| 12:41.20 | dpkg | Adobe Flash for amd64 is now available again as a preview release (as of 15/9/10). See http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html for details. |
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| 12:42.04 | daemonkeeper | Someone knows a working mirror for a firmware netinst image? |
| 12:42.10 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ is broken ... |
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| 12:48.15 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.56 | daemonkeeper | Do you speak to me? |
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| 12:49.20 | thewanderer1 | guys, does anyone know why vsftpd wants to have CAP_SYS_ADMIN? O.o |
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| 12:49.51 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Because ftps run as root? |
| 12:49.52 | daemonkeeper | +d |
| 12:50.06 | thewanderer1 | this has nothing to do with running as root |
| 12:50.27 | thewanderer1 | I run web servers as root too, but they drop capabilities... |
| 12:50.29 | daemonkeeper | Sure, you need the privilege to setuid() |
| 12:50.38 | thewanderer1 | setuid is CAP_SETUID |
| 12:50.48 | thewanderer1 | and this wants CAP_SYS_ADMIN |
| 12:50.58 | daemonkeeper | That's different, though. A webserver needs to be _started_ as root only. |
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| 12:51.10 | xoveruk | hi guys |
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| 12:51.20 | daemonkeeper | A ftpd needs to run as root, to setuid/setgid to the user logging in |
| 12:51.31 | xoveruk | is it possible to rysnc an entire OS to a spare drive and then boot it using the same hardware by swapping the disks? |
| 12:51.38 | thewanderer1 | no, cherokee web server spawns FastCGI as users in runtime, so it needs CAP_SETUID all the time |
| 12:51.44 | xoveruk | my friend tried it and it failed, any ideas why? |
| 12:51.53 | WormFood | sorta xoveruk...you'll need to re-run the bootloader |
| 12:52.09 | thewanderer1 | xoveruk: it would be easier to just dd the whole device |
| 12:52.18 | xoveruk | is it to do with disk geometry? |
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| 12:52.32 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Only if you do use fcgi of course. And even then chances are there is a setuid-root binary somewhere, i.e. for suexec (not fcgi though) |
| 12:52.32 | koskoz | hi guys |
| 12:52.54 | thewanderer1 | sure daemonkeeper. still, the point is, why does vsftpd need CAP_SYS_ADMIN? O.o |
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| 12:53.20 | koskoz | i'm configuring my new dedicated server and I was wondering if it was better to do 2 separate partition for / et /home or if it didn't matter for a dedicated server ? |
| 12:53.38 | xoveruk | WormFood? |
| 12:53.52 | WormFood | koskoz, it depends on what you're doing with the machine....partitions can be good |
| 12:54.18 | WormFood | xoveruk, what you described won't work, because there is no bootloader installed on the new hard drive. |
| 12:54.36 | koskoz | WormFood, webhosting, bittorrent, CS1.6 server, teamspeak server, etc |
| 12:54.56 | WormFood | xoveruk, first off, is the hard drive you want to copy, currently being used? (is it a running system?) |
| 12:55.11 | xoveruk | yes |
| 12:55.29 | WormFood | koskoz, if you are low on disk space, one partition may be better...if you have space to spare, then make a partition, so that no program can suck up all your hard drive space, without you noticing it. |
| 12:55.29 | xoveruk | is it not possible to have a bootloader exist only on the bootable partition. lilo supports this does it not? |
| 12:55.49 | WormFood | xoveruk, you need to INSTALL a new bootloader on the NEW DRIVE |
| 12:56.12 | koskoz | WormFood, I've got a 160Gb hard drive |
| 12:56.18 | WormFood | xoveruk, also, you'll probably want to remount your root partition as read-only, or boot up in single user mode |
| 12:56.52 | WormFood | koskoz, that does not mean anything to me....you have to decide if you have enough space or not....bittorrent can take up a LOT of space, depending on how much porn you're downloading ;) |
| 12:57.15 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: do yourself a favour and set up LVM or ZFS |
| 12:57.37 | koskoz | WormFood, I was "ok" with a 50Gb hard drive on my previous server |
| 12:57.41 | WormFood | xoveruk, boot off a cd/usb on the machine you want to copy...and copy the entire drive, (/dev/sda) |
| 12:57.58 | WormFood | koskoz, thewanderer1 has the right idea there |
| 12:58.02 | koskoz | thewanderer1, I don't think my hosting provider allows me to do that |
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| 12:58.17 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: "hosting provider"? do you have a dedicated server or not? |
| 12:58.18 | WormFood | koskoz, if you want it to be simple, then make it one partition |
| 12:58.31 | WormFood | probably a VPS |
| 12:58.36 | koskoz | thewanderer1 : www.online.net => dedibox v3 |
| 12:58.50 | koskoz | WormFood, no no, it's a dedicated server |
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| 12:59.06 | koskoz | but i'm pretty naab on sys admin |
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| 12:59.47 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: doesn't look like a VPS |
| 13:00.01 | WormFood | thewanderer1, he just said it isn't :P |
| 13:00.01 | koskoz | as I said it's a dedicated server :o |
| 13:00.18 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 13:00.39 | thewanderer1 | so set up a ZFS pool, why not? |
| 13:00.50 | thewanderer1 | if your site is low-traffic, then ZFS is almost perfect |
| 13:01.04 | WormFood | why in the hell is techspider.net blocked in China? I mean, I understand some sites, but why that one? |
| 13:01.34 | koskoz | thewanderer1, I still have to partition my hd before using zfs right ? |
| 13:02.42 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: yes |
| 13:03.13 | koskoz | thewanderer1, so it doesn't answer my question :p |
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| 13:03.14 | WormFood | ok, maybe it is just down, and not blocked (hard to tell sometimes) |
| 13:03.28 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: but ZFS is like many filesystems in one |
| 13:03.34 | thegraham | Hi, I've resized an ext3 partition on a usb hard disk using resize2fs, which is showing up fine and mountable, but it displays as a FAT file system in fdisk. Any idea how to update the partition list in fdisk? |
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| 13:03.49 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: so you can make a single / partition, and put user data (torrents, WWW, lolcat images) on ZFS |
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| 13:04.21 | WormFood | thegraham, linux does not care what the partition type says in the partition table |
| 13:04.21 | thewanderer1 | thegraham: fdisk does not recognize filesystems |
| 13:04.22 | phaer | WormFood: Are you sure techspider.net is blocked? Because i can't access it too and i am not in China. Maybe its just down? |
| 13:04.25 | rozie | zfs? on Linux? what for? |
| 13:04.29 | koskoz | thewanderer1, ok, so I keep my single partition (except swap and /boot) in ext3 and then when i'm able to ssh in i install zfs ? |
| 13:04.35 | WormFood | phaer, I just said that |
| 13:04.51 | thewanderer1 | rozie: for flexibility. just that. |
| 13:05.05 | thegraham | WormFood thewanderer1: but it has the wrong size too, showing all the blocks allocated to the file system |
| 13:05.06 | WormFood | most sites, when blocked in China get a dns lookup to an IP that refuses the connection....which is what it did this time. |
| 13:05.24 | rozie | thewanderer1: flexibiltity in what kind of way? |
| 13:05.42 | thewanderer1 | rozie: you never have to resize partitions because there is a pool instead of partitions |
| 13:06.09 | phaer | WormFood: Ah, sorry i was offline for a moment. |
| 13:06.33 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: you make a single partition for root, another one for swap and perhaps one for /boot, and the rest you leave as "empty" and create a partition later |
| 13:06.49 | koskoz | thewanderer1, ok, this is my original setup |
| 13:06.52 | koskoz | thanks |
| 13:06.58 | war9407 | Anyone here use CUPS? When I print with LPRNG it prints great (to an HP 2200DTN) but with CUPS the quality is horrible, I tried 5-6 different drivers. |
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| 13:07.20 | rozie | thewanderer1: but with the fuse? |
| 13:07.41 | WormFood | just as a side note, you don't need a partition for swap...you can actually use a file....but I suggest a partition....and I suggest you put it at the end of your drive, because it will be slightly faster if you get it on the outer part of the platter |
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| 13:08.14 | jelly-home | WormFood: the faster part is the beginning of the drive |
| 13:08.24 | thewanderer1 | rozie: yes, there's currently no complete native implementation |
| 13:08.39 | xoveruk | hi i am trying to rsync a folder of data from my ssd to a sdhc card. when i do it using rsync -av every file is listed and reread, whereas when i rsync to my hdd it just shows the summary the 2nd time without pausing on each file. |
| 13:08.42 | WormFood | no jelly-home, on the outer part...where the disk is spinning faster |
| 13:08.44 | xoveruk | am i setting it up wrong? |
| 13:08.51 | jelly-home | WormFood: test it. |
| 13:08.57 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: you never know now with NCQ, multiple platters and so on |
| 13:09.19 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I know, and the hdd vendors know as well. |
| 13:09.30 | koskoz | ok guys, server is rebooting and preparing the installation \o/ |
| 13:09.43 | koskoz | this time I want to have a clean install, not like my previous server :D |
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| 13:10.23 | WormFood | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/short-stroking-hdd,2157-2.html "...the outer sectors of the drive (which provide the best performance)..." |
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| 13:10.44 | WormFood | think about it jelly-home....the outer edge of the platter is spinning faster than the inner edge |
| 13:10.51 | thewanderer1 | vsftpd insists on using CAP_SYS_ADMIN. what other secure FTP servers are there? |
| 13:10.52 | jelly-home | WormFood: I don't disput that. |
| 13:10.53 | azm | Hi. How can I install kernel headers for custom kernel please? |
| 13:10.59 | WormFood | of course it will read the data off the disk faster |
| 13:11.01 | jelly-home | dispute* |
| 13:11.35 | thewanderer1 | I just need an FTP server which will drop capabilities instead of exposing my whole system to exploitation |
| 13:11.45 | jelly-home | WormFood: those outer sectors are the "beginning" of the drive. |
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| 13:12.03 | WormFood | thewanderer1, run your ftp server on another port, above 1024, and don't be root |
| 13:12.18 | thewanderer1 | WormFood: but that's irrelevant to CAP_SYS_ADMIN |
| 13:12.44 | thewanderer1 | and ftp server *needs* to be able to do CAP_SETUID anyway, so it *will*, at some point, become root. |
| 13:13.11 | WormFood | of course, my solution to the problem is not to use a protocol that predates tcp/ip |
| 13:13.24 | thewanderer1 | I need to serve "legacy" (windows) clients |
| 13:13.53 | WormFood | yes, and we all know, FTP is the only thing windows supports |
| 13:14.26 | thewanderer1 | there are SFTP clients, but my users often can't download them due to local system restrictions... |
| 13:14.42 | WormFood | and you can't do it via http? |
| 13:14.50 | thewanderer1 | file management and uploading? |
| 13:14.55 | azm | anyone? |
| 13:15.16 | WormFood | ftp does make file management easy, if you know what you're doing |
| 13:15.21 | jelly-home | azm: ask whoever built your custom kernel |
| 13:15.40 | thewanderer1 | well right now I'm concerned about securing it |
| 13:15.41 | azm | well, i build it |
| 13:16.02 | jelly-home | azm: then you already have the build tree and the headers therein |
| 13:16.02 | thewanderer1 | from the host side, that is - not data itself, which is not so important |
| 13:16.36 | azm | jelly-home, but IM trying to install nvidia drivers and it says Idont have kernel headers |
| 13:16.43 | azm | Im* |
| 13:16.58 | azm | m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 13:17.25 | thewanderer1 | azm: symlink the source to /usr/src/linux .. |
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| 13:17.43 | azm | ah, thanks |
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| 13:17.54 | Mikaze | Greetings... |
| 13:18.44 | Mikaze | Anyone know which friggin tcp/udp port(s) to open for samba? |
| 13:19.17 | koskoz | ok I guess I missed something, my server appears to be on, but I can't login via ssh TT |
| 13:20.06 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: http://troy.jdmz.net/samba/fw/ |
| 13:20.11 | Mikaze | Can you access it via http://localhost? |
| 13:20.48 | koskoz | Mikaze, I'm not hosting it |
| 13:20.50 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: there's no place like 127.0.0.1. he's trying to connect to a remote dedicated server :P |
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| 13:21.42 | koskoz | ok it's on |
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| 13:21.46 | Mikaze | Ah. Good "set up your website" tutorial at www.dyndns.com |
| 13:21.48 | koskoz | took something like 5min to boot |
| 13:22.47 | koskoz | ok, where do I start to do a proper install of lamp ? |
| 13:22.48 | Mikaze | fires up edbrowse for the URL above. |
| 13:23.08 | koskoz | I think it's pretty easy but... |
| 13:23.14 | koskoz | maybe there's some tips |
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| 13:23.41 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: there's no "LAMP" - they are separate components and you need to remember that |
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| 13:23.49 | koskoz | yeah, I know |
| 13:23.53 | koskoz | it was to type faster :p^ |
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| 13:24.08 | koskoz | anyway I need python, php, mysql, phpmyadmin, apache |
| 13:24.10 | koskoz | basic stuff |
| 13:24.23 | thewanderer1 | sooo... use the super cow powers of apt-get to install them |
| 13:24.31 | koskoz | hum no |
| 13:24.37 | koskoz | first of all I need to configure sudo >< |
| 13:24.42 | koskoz | forgot about this |
| 13:24.43 | phaer | koskoz: You could use taskel or install the packages manually. There are plenty of howtos online, ask your favourite search engine for "debian lamp" |
| 13:24.43 | thewanderer1 | why? O.o |
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| 13:25.00 | koskoz | -bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 13:25.08 | thewanderer1 | oh who would have suspected that... |
| 13:25.16 | koskoz | well, I forgot about this |
| 13:25.19 | thewanderer1 | welcome to Debian :P |
| 13:25.35 | phaer | koskoz: Do you want to host a public accessible webserver? |
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| 13:25.47 | jelly-home | !lamp |
| 13:25.47 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 13:26.05 | babilen_ | ugh, mysql, php .... *shudder* |
| 13:26.09 | koskoz | :D |
| 13:26.24 | thewanderer1 | babilen_: bet you program in C and use sqlite... :P |
| 13:26.24 | koskoz | phaer, I'll only host my own websites |
| 13:26.41 | koskoz | no I bet he programs in python |
| 13:26.45 | koskoz | and use cassandra |
| 13:26.46 | jelly-home | babilen_: well if you use a database that doesn't start with M it's not a lamp any more |
| 13:27.02 | babilen_ | koskoz: 100 points for you :) |
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| 13:27.17 | babilen_ | jelly-home: yeah, i prefer a dapp stack :) |
| 13:27.21 | azm | thewanderer1, is this right command ln -s nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source /usr/src/linux ? |
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| 13:27.32 | jelly-home | babilen_: not dlpp? |
| 13:27.37 | azm | because I get creating symbolic link `/usr/src/linux': File exists |
| 13:27.45 | thewanderer1 | azm: it's syntactically correct, but so wrong in many ways |
| 13:28.02 | azm | how should it be? |
| 13:28.04 | phaer | koskoz: Be aware that the internet is a dangerous place. If you have to ask about how to install lamp on debian the chance is high that you should read about security on debian before hosting a website outside of your intranet ;) |
| 13:28.05 | thewanderer1 | you were supposed to symlink the *KERNEL* sources, not NVIDIA source :P |
| 13:28.05 | jelly-home | azm: where is your linux source tree? |
| 13:28.49 | koskoz | phaer, I did it for something like 2 years, didn't have any problem at all |
| 13:28.57 | jelly-home | azm: move away current /usr/src/linux, and symlink your linux kernel tree, where you built the kernel, to /usr/src/linux |
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| 13:29.00 | thewanderer1 | phaer: reading about security is like swimming up a river - more topics emerge than you can read in spare time :P |
| 13:29.24 | koskoz | i've got encoding issue under putty :/ |
| 13:29.46 | azm | jelly-home, I get this in /src : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Dec 26 07:05 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.34-r12 |
| 13:29.47 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: set UTF-8, try again (who the hell set the defaults? O.o) |
| 13:30.13 | koskoz | thewanderer1, set utf8 on the server or putty conf ? |
| 13:30.42 | jelly-home | azm: my sugestion still stands. |
| 13:30.47 | thewanderer1 | koskoz: assuming that your server uses UTF-8, set that in PuTTY Translation tab. if it does not, return to 21st century and try again |
| 13:31.20 | phaer | thewanderer1: Correct. But one should have some basic understanding about firewalling, permissions, debian-security-announcments, etc before going public |
| 13:31.48 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 13:32.09 | thewanderer1 | although I never felt quite compelled to use "firewalls" as means of security :P |
| 13:32.09 | koskoz | thewanderer1, it's weird because my other server under debian has a correct encoding and I use the same version of putty :o |
| 13:32.20 | azm | jelly, I dont need source if its already compiled or yes? I probably do not have kernel tree |
| 13:32.25 | phaer | koskoz: dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 13:32.36 | thewanderer1 | azm: yes you do, or at least the headers from the source |
| 13:32.43 | jelly-home | azm: you do need it. |
| 13:33.15 | koskoz | phaer, it says the package isn't installed |
| 13:33.28 | azm | so how can I find it out? |
| 13:33.30 | phaer | koskoz: apt-get install locale ? |
| 13:33.42 | azm | is it in /boot? |
| 13:33.48 | jelly-home | azm: find what out? Did you build the kernel, or someone else? |
| 13:33.48 | koskoz | phaer, ahah, didn't find it |
| 13:34.16 | Mikaze | loves firewalls! Keeps the riffraff out of my home network, as they can't get thru the router, and iptables defends the rest. |
| 13:34.40 | phaer | koskoz: I don't want to annoy you, but you should really read some manuals before you host something public. |
| 13:34.47 | azm | jelly-home, I downloaded source compiled and copied the bz image to /src |
| 13:34.58 | azm | on gentoo |
| 13:35.01 | koskoz | phaer, I had no problem with my other server :/ |
| 13:35.10 | azm | now Im using its source for debian |
| 13:35.24 | jelly-home | azm: so copy the whole build tree as well. |
| 13:36.14 | phaer | koskoz: If you don't know how to install packages on your system of choice you will run into troubles. At least when it comes to basic security. That does not necessarily mean that your website will be down, but maybe that your host will be used to send spam to my mailbox... |
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| 13:37.08 | Mikaze | You don't wanna know how to enlarge your penis for only $49.95? |
| 13:37.28 | thewanderer1 | Mikaze: XSS attacks. browser exploits. DNS rebinding. iptables helper module exploits (outbound IRC connection via <img src="omg.wtf:6667" /> triggers a RELATED condition). who cares about firewalls? :) |
| 13:37.52 | thewanderer1 | (oh, forgot UPnP DNS attacks via Flash...) |
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| 13:38.41 | koskoz | phaer, no no, it's ok |
| 13:38.52 | koskoz | phaer, I witched french to english |
| 13:38.56 | koskoz | no more problem now |
| 13:40.27 | phaer | koskoz: If you just want to host your website there are plenty of companies which will do it for you if you give them a few dollars. |
| 13:40.45 | abrotman | you could just help him do whatever he wants instead of giving a lecture? |
| 13:40.48 | phaer | (or euros ;)) |
| 13:41.46 | koskoz | phaer, I want more than just hosting website |
| 13:42.14 | koskoz | I'm just confused because I never had any locales problem, and I failed with dpkg-reconfigure because I missed the "s" at locales ;) |
| 13:42.56 | jelly-home | azm: you may still have issues with building kernel modules if the gcc version you used on the machine where you built the kernel doesn't match gcc available on Debian |
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| 13:43.41 | azm | jelly-home, well I still dont know what is build tree.. |
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| 13:44.57 | koskoz | ok, it's just perl now... "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
| 13:45.02 | jelly-home | azm: kernel source tree, and all the files that are left in it after you built the kernel |
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| 13:45.47 | azm | ah, I think I remember |
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| 13:46.47 | azm | jelly-home, it means all the folders in gentoo's /usr/src/linux to debian's /src ? |
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| 13:48.23 | jelly-home | azm: Debian's /usr/src . |
| 13:48.41 | azm | yep |
| 13:48.44 | azm | Im on it |
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| 13:50.47 | Mikaze | Thanks for the URL. |
| 13:50.52 | Mikaze | Keep well... |
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| 13:59.33 | koskoz | how do you manage multiple hosting on the same server ? I used to create one user by domain name, and then /home/user/www and /home/user/sd but I was thinking about a common directory : /home/www/website |
| 14:00.34 | gWillem | koskoz, it doesn't matter |
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| 14:01.11 | gWillem | koskoz, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/ |
| 14:02.33 | jelly-home | koskoz: for misc. reasons, at present $employer is using /home/username/.web/{site1,site2,...} |
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| 14:06.51 | koskoz | jelly-home, ok, thanks |
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| 14:27.28 | NAVEENGF | CHAT ONLINE, PLAY GAME, MAKE MONEY, GO TO http://letikfor.webs.com/ |
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| 14:28.31 | Godslastering | is there a way to FORCE the package maintainers version of the apache2 config files? i just upgraded and i chose to keep my current configs and now i'm having issues. i'd like to get the package maintainer's version and then change them |
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| 14:28.52 | dilbert | hello |
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| 14:29.14 | dilbert | can i list all rules with iptables but without the reverse dns ? (the ip direct) |
| 14:30.12 | abrotman | dilbert: man iptables .. iptables -Ln |
| 14:30.31 | dilbert | thanks abrotman :D |
| 14:30.33 | abrotman | stops buying IBM equipment |
| 14:30.42 | dilbert | good choice :D |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | especially if you work there :) |
| 14:31.09 | dilbert | :D |
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| 14:51.40 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 14:51.40 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 267 (2010-09-30). |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
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| 14:56.47 | dutchfish | hi, is xorg in expirimental the rc1 or the stable version? see the date in http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.6 |
| 14:57.21 | abrotman | packges.debian.org ? |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | packages |
| 14:59.02 | dutchfish | i only have this and no clue http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg/news/20101109T153225Z.html |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 14:59.30 | judd | Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+8; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.6~2 |
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| 15:04.09 | dutchfish | abrotman: still not conclusive, but thanks for trying. |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | dutchfish: or go ask #debian-ox |
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| 15:04.53 | abrotman | -x |
| 15:04.55 | tziku | hello, after i have updated my kernell my system is not booting and i have this: "Alert! /dev/sda1 does not exist" . In "cat /proc/cmdline" i have "root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet" and in ls /dev/sd* i have nothing |
| 15:05.16 | tziku | my hdd isn't in /dev ... |
| 15:05.56 | tziku | i make a debian livecd and there i can see /dev/sda1 and i can mount.... |
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| 15:09.19 | razzq | tziku: It's a custom kernel? |
| 15:11.38 | tziku | no |
| 15:11.51 | tziku | ls |
| 15:12.31 | tziku | sorry, |
| 15:12.46 | tziku | is any posibility to put old kernell ? |
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| 15:15.44 | phogg | tziku: do you see any disks in /sys/block/? |
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| 15:19.29 | dilbert | can i make a benchmark for iptables ? (i have a lot of rules i would like to bench it) |
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| 15:23.15 | abrotman | dilbert: perhaps ask #netfilter |
| 15:23.33 | dilbert | abrotman, i did already :D |
| 15:23.37 | tziku | dilbert: i can see onlt "ram*" in /sys/block |
| 15:25.33 | dilbert | tziku, what do you mean ? i dont have ram* on /sys/block |
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| 15:28.00 | tziku | at: "ls /sys/block" i have: ram1 ; ram2 ; ram3 .... to ram12 . No disks there. |
| 15:28.07 | abrotman | dilbert: then wait and be patient .. that's a better place to ask |
| 15:28.39 | dilbert | abrotman, yes for sure ... but it's ok |
| 15:28.54 | dilbert | tziku, oki me i just have my hd |
| 15:29.02 | dilbert | md-0, md-1, sda |
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| 15:48.41 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:48.41 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
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| 15:57.02 | doublehp | is there a CLI tool that can group 4 identical pictures in one big one ? 4x256x256p = 512x512p ? |
| 15:58.06 | western | maybe imagemagick |
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| 15:58.57 | chessboxing | hello, I get irssi: Depends: libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:58.58 | chessboxing | E: Broken packages. When I try to install irssi |
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| 15:59.58 | chessboxing | I'm using lenny btw |
| 16:00.41 | abrotman | chessboxing: aptitude update ; aptitude install irssi |
| 16:01.06 | chessboxing | abrotman: thats the same as: apt-get update, I assume? |
| 16:01.16 | abrotman | it can be ... |
| 16:01.32 | abrotman | chessboxing: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 16:01.57 | abrotman | paste.debian.net is available |
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| 16:03.15 | chessboxing | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/WmXVkgb6 |
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| 16:04.16 | abrotman | chessboxing: why were you mixing lenny and sid ? |
| 16:04.25 | abrotman | (this is where aptitude would help) |
| 16:04.38 | chessboxing | abrotman: because i needed a program, sabnzbd, that wasn't in lenny's repo... |
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| 16:05.24 | abrotman | chessboxing: aptitude update ; aptitude why-not libperl5.10 |
| 16:06.04 | chessboxing | Unable to find a reason to remove libperl5.10. |
| 16:06.38 | abrotman | and if you 'aptitude install irssi' ? .. does it want to remove something ? |
| 16:06.39 | zxd | in alsa how do I set a new device as default |
| 16:07.41 | chessboxing | abrotman: I get a solution... |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | which is? |
| 16:07.48 | chessboxing | Remove the following packages: |
| 16:07.48 | chessboxing | libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl |
| 16:07.48 | chessboxing | libarchive-zip-perl |
| 16:08.00 | chessboxing | Downgrade the following packages: |
| 16:08.00 | chessboxing | perl [5.10.1-16 (now) -> 5.10.0-19lenny2 (stable)] |
| 16:08.00 | chessboxing | perl-base [5.10.1-16 (now) -> 5.10.0-19lenny2 (stable)] |
| 16:08.00 | chessboxing | perl-modules [5.10.1-16 (now) -> 5.10.0-19lenny2 (stable)] |
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| 16:08.21 | chessboxing | back |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | try again .. use the pastebin |
| 16:08.29 | chessboxing | should use pistbin |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | but somehow, you have a perl not from Lenny |
| 16:08.42 | abrotman | judd: versions libperl5.10 |
| 16:08.44 | judd | Package libperl5.10 on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-16; squeeze: 5.10.1-16 |
| 16:08.51 | abrotman | right .. you have the sid perl in your lenny |
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| 16:09.24 | chessboxing | but I resync and commented it. Should aptitude not auto downgrade? |
| 16:09.35 | pickcoder | or a backport maybe ? |
| 16:09.44 | abrotman | chessboxing: the proper way to get sabnbd would have been to build a backport .. mixing versions of deban leads to breaking |
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| 16:09.50 | chessboxing | http://pastebin.com/PUnyYZwf |
| 16:10.15 | chessboxing | abrotman: well I know its not the best practise. But I am not that handy |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | chessboxing: so ideally, you would allow libperl to downgrade, then build sabnzbd against lenny |
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| 16:11.46 | chessboxing | abrotman: Can I use irssi from sid? So i just update with sid's repo. Then install irssi, then resync with lenny... |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | chessboxing: you should really use the lenny libperl and build a backport of the package you want |
| 16:13.19 | chessboxing | abrotman: how do I do that? I should read the fine manual I guess. Again. I'll study IT in oxford. |
| 16:13.56 | abrotman | !tell chessboxing about ssb |
| 16:14.07 | pickcoder | chessboxing: does backports have a version new enough? |
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| 16:14.19 | chessboxing | abrotman: I know of the backports, it wasn't in there. |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | read the rest .. |
| 16:14.42 | chessboxing | pickcoder: of what, sab? |
| 16:15.09 | pickcoder | whatever package you want |
| 16:15.38 | abrotman | judd: versions sabnzbd |
| 16:15.40 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sabnzbd' was found in i386. |
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| 17:02.23 | koskoz | is there a way to find the path of an installed package ? |
| 17:02.46 | sbine | which progname |
| 17:03.18 | llutz | koskoz: dpkg -L package |
| 17:03.40 | koskoz | sbine : uudeview |
| 17:04.19 | koskoz | ty llutz |
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| 17:53.52 | jhutchins | In kde, how do I tell the system not to open .zip files with oowriter (and who's stupid idea was that anyway)? |
| 17:54.56 | phogg | jhutchins well .odt files are zip files, so this must be magic number fail of some kind |
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| 17:59.24 | ahmadhesni | hi 2 all, To fix this problem, what solution do you, warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 45634 package 'virtualbox-2.2':error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Ubuntu_jaunty': invalid character in revision number |
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| 18:00.14 | jhutchins | What do I install if I need a jre? |
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| 18:01.51 | pipeline | jhutchins: sun-java6-jre |
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| 18:02.23 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: right click the file, edit MIME type => app mapping |
| 18:02.39 | jhutchins | I can launch kSar.jar with java -jar kSar.jar, but it freezes. |
| 18:03.14 | ahmadhesni | hi 2 all, To fix this problem, what solution do you, warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 45634 package 'virtualbox-2.2':error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Ubuntu_jaunty': invalid character in revision number |
| 18:03.25 | abrotman | ahmadhesni: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:03.59 | ahmadhesni | abrotman: why? my os : debian :-( |
| 18:04.17 | abrotman | ahmadhesni: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 18:04.33 | c0urier | It seems like you've downloaded a ubuntu package |
| 18:04.49 | ahmadhesni | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 18:05.12 | abrotman | ahmadhesni: so why did you install ubuntu packages on your Debian system ? |
| 18:05.30 | c0urier | And cat /proc/version |
| 18:05.43 | c0urier | ahmadhesni - Try cat /proc/version |
| 18:05.58 | jhutchins | virtualbox - we may be dealing with multiple Distros. |
| 18:06.06 | ahmadhesni | abrotman: I was wrong. I needed :-| |
| 18:06.12 | abrotman | needed ? |
| 18:06.25 | abrotman | Debian has virtualbox |
| 18:06.38 | c0urier | ahmadhesni you can find the right version here: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 18:06.43 | abrotman | uhmm, no |
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| 18:06.56 | abrotman | use the damn debian packages if you want help from us |
| 18:07.07 | c0urier | Or that ;) |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | don't be sending him all over the internet to fix his system .. it will still be broken if he uses that URL |
| 18:07.20 | rioch | I've written a script (python) which I'd like to run even when not logged in. Where is a good place to put such a script? |
| 18:07.32 | abrotman | run it when ? |
| 18:07.41 | ahmadhesni | abrotman: I know. I just ubuntu pkg. sorry |
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| 18:07.57 | rioch | abrotman: when no user is logged in, like a service |
| 18:07.59 | abrotman | ahmadhesni: huge mistake |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | !tell rioch about run at startup |
| 18:08.11 | abrotman | !tell rioch about screen |
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| 18:08.16 | abrotman | i'm sure one ofthose will help you |
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| 18:09.10 | thewanderer1 | hm, is anyone else getting kernel panics when starting netcat in an LXC with only utsname unshared? |
| 18:09.24 | rioch | abrotman: yes, they are useful, but I'm still wondering where to put my actual script, since home seems inappropriate. Perhaps somewhere under /usr? |
| 18:09.42 | ahmadhesni | abrotman: What do I do now? This message when installing any files. |
| 18:09.48 | rioch | /usr/local/bin perhaps? |
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| 18:10.37 | jhutchins | rioch: I think that's consistent with the lfhs |
| 18:10.58 | pierre___ | Hi ! I can't wake up from a standby with my (old) ibm thinkpad t40. I find only outdated information on the google. What should I check ? 2.6.32-5, squeeze. |
| 18:11.14 | thewanderer1 | ahmadhesni: fix the file manually... |
| 18:11.50 | rioch | jhutchins: I think so too. I've decided. There's no going back now.... :) |
| 18:12.38 | rioch | jhutchins: what about a location to save data created by those scripts? Where should I put that? |
| 18:12.57 | thewanderer1 | rioch: traditionally /usr/local is used for things outside dpkg management in Debian... and data goes in /var or home directories |
| 18:13.00 | jhutchins | !lfhs |
| 18:13.10 | jhutchins | Hm. |
| 18:13.11 | thewanderer1 | it's FHS |
| 18:13.33 | jhutchins | !fhs |
| 18:13.33 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
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| 18:13.56 | abrotman | ahmadhesni: ask #ubuntu why their package is broken |
| 18:14.00 | rioch | thanks |
| 18:17.03 | factran | Hi ! I can't wake up from a standby with my (old) ibm thinkpad t40. I don't really know what to check ? My kernel is a 2.6.32-5, squeeze just updated. |
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| 18:17.17 | factran | can somebody help me ? |
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| 18:20.00 | d2ogch3n | factran: I had the same issue, think I fixed it by installing acpi-support and acpid |
| 18:20.13 | JordiGH | I've got totem-mozilla installed, but Iceweasel shows me a blank white page whenever I try to open any media files in it. |
| 18:20.16 | factran | d2ogch3n: trying that. |
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| 18:20.23 | factran | *i'm |
| 18:20.28 | factran | thks |
| 18:20.31 | d2ogch3n | np |
| 18:20.50 | JordiGH | Ah, hm, I wonder if it's conflicting with the vlc plugin... |
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| 18:53.22 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
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| 19:10.37 | Big_Brother | I hate you all. |
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| 19:13.18 | wertik_any | lol |
| 19:13.38 | wertik_any | why are you hate all us ? |
| 19:14.06 | Big_Brother | Everytime i install debian to a system with more than one drive: Error 17. |
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| 19:17.19 | gnt | what's the ETA for squeeze? |
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| 19:17.56 | abrotman | gnt: /topic |
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| 19:34.18 | jelly-home | Big_Brother: you have an interesting approach for requesting help, I'll give you that |
| 19:34.34 | jelly-home | wonder how far it's going to get you |
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| 19:34.43 | Oday | hello |
| 19:34.44 | Big_Brother | Not far at all, jelly. |
| 19:35.00 | Oday | where can i get Debian that wont have problems with my hardware? |
| 19:35.09 | Oday | because i heard that Lenny will have problems |
| 19:35.18 | Big_Brother | Have you tried, Oday? |
| 19:35.32 | Oday | the last time, the installation was stopped due to a bad image |
| 19:35.44 | Oday | i have not been in the running desktop environment yet |
| 19:35.45 | Big_Brother | Torrent Debian. |
| 19:35.58 | Big_Brother | Better file checking afaik. |
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| 19:36.33 | Oday | can you link me to an image without me having to think and search for it? |
| 19:36.55 | Oday | because i have been searching for some time now, and i cannot find what is right |
| 19:37.05 | Big_Brother | Unfortunately, debian actually needs people to think on order for it to work. |
| 19:37.09 | Oday | haha |
| 19:37.17 | Oday | can't just throw a word like that can i |
| 19:37.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Oday about netinst |
| 19:37.36 | Oday | i'm going to install lenny |
| 19:37.42 | Oday | and that's that |
| 19:37.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Oday about kmuto |
| 19:38.17 | Oday | let me see what the faulty cd says |
| 19:38.20 | Oday | the one i tried the last time |
| 19:38.33 | Big_Brother | Oday: use ImgBurn if you're on windows. |
| 19:38.42 | Big_Brother | And make sure to check 'verify disk' |
| 19:38.58 | Oday | i am on fedora |
| 19:39.13 | Oday | i'm a convert |
| 19:39.16 | Oday | hehe |
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| 19:39.27 | Big_Brother | Find an image burner that supports verifying the burn. |
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| 19:40.03 | Oday | so you are very sure that lenny does not have any problem with relatively-recent hardware |
| 19:40.14 | Oday | it shouldn't, at least; i mean |
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| 19:41.17 | ewl | Lenny has a problem with my wifi card. But it's a kernel issue. |
| 19:41.34 | ewl | I'm running squeeze. I highly recommend it. |
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| 19:41.47 | Oday | fedora and ubuntu have a problem with my usb wifi adapter |
| 19:42.20 | Oday | im going to install the testing version, how does it differ from the stable? |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | it's testing, not stable |
| 19:42.50 | jelly-home | Oday: I suggest you fix your wifi adapter issue instead of jumping distros |
| 19:42.58 | Oday | i dont use it |
| 19:43.04 | ewl | It's very stable at this stage. It's more up to date. The kernel is 2.6.32... |
| 19:43.05 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 19:43.06 | Big_Brother | facepalms. |
| 19:43.10 | Oday | i have wifi built in |
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| 19:44.02 | Oday | but even the stable has regular upgrades |
| 19:44.09 | Oday | cant be the differing factor between it and the stable one |
| 19:44.47 | Oday | have to continue later |
| 19:44.59 | Big_Brother | Well seeing as testing has been frozen... >_>; |
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| 19:50.48 | nsadmin | what's the theory of operation behind bridges made with brctl? |
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| 19:52.30 | abrotman | they are bridges! |
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| 19:55.17 | nsadmin | so they have endpoints... how do they connect to routing? |
| 19:55.33 | jelly-home | they're below routing. |
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| 19:56.31 | jelly-home | explaining what a bridge does is a bit out of the scope of this channel |
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| 19:56.49 | Innocentus | Hallo! |
| 19:56.57 | Innocentus | Merry Christmas! / Fröhliche Weihnachten! |
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| 19:57.08 | nsadmin | care to take it to /msg? |
| 19:57.24 | Innocentus | I would like to check what kind of ftp server is running on the vserver |
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| 19:57.30 | Innocentus | is there a quick solution for this? |
| 19:58.01 | abrotman | ftp to the port .. the issue should tell you |
| 19:58.09 | xingu | Innocentus: pick up the phone and dial support |
| 19:58.14 | tharkun | # netstat -pantu |
| 19:58.40 | Innocentus | it is my own vserver ;) |
| 19:58.50 | xingu | should be a short conversation then |
| 19:58.54 | nsadmin | to which you have shell access? |
| 19:58.58 | Innocentus | sshd |
| 19:59.00 | Innocentus | aha |
| 19:59.03 | Innocentus | I want to connect via sshd |
| 19:59.05 | Innocentus | sftp |
| 19:59.15 | Innocentus | how can I find out which users have got sftp-access? |
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| 19:59.35 | nsadmin | what os is running on the vserver? |
| 20:01.00 | jelly-home | Innocentus: sftp is a subsystem of ssh, completely separate from ftp, and usually shares the users database with ssh. This can be tuned by configuring the ssh service (man sshd_config) |
| 20:01.00 | nsadmin | Innocentus what os is running on the vserver? |
| 20:01.55 | nsadmin | no response... ping timeout? |
| 20:02.07 | jelly-home | !ping nsadmin |
| 20:02.07 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over nsadmin's head |
| 20:02.27 | nsadmin | nope, his client is synced |
| 20:03.28 | Innocentus | debian lenny |
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| 20:03.44 | Innocentus | nsadmin: sorry, but the irc client bothered to appear |
| 20:05.29 | nsadmin | ok, so, what happens when you try to sftp in? |
| 20:06.14 | Innocentus | Authentifizierung fehlgeschlagen. |
| 20:06.24 | Innocentus | which means Authentification failed |
| 20:06.28 | Innocentus | so the username / password is wrong :? |
| 20:06.50 | nsadmin | what users have you been able to ssh in as? |
| 20:06.50 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 20:06.50 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 20:07.14 | jelly-home | Innocentus: does this happen even with a user that's able to ssh in? |
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| 20:08.47 | Innocentus | the question for me is which user is allowed at all to use sftp |
| 20:09.05 | Innocentus | I have got one user account to access the shell via ssh |
| 20:09.19 | Innocentus | but this one shouldn't be used for sftp-access |
| 20:09.25 | Innocentus | because I want to separate them |
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| 20:14.12 | Innocentus | anyone online? :/ |
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| 20:15.54 | jhutchins_lt | Nobody here but us chickens. |
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| 20:17.09 | Innocentus | so I want to know how to list all users who have got sftp-access privelliges |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | BAWK! |
| 20:18.02 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Unless you've configured restrictions, all valid users may use ssh. |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | all users that can nomrally use ssh |
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| 20:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | I think we need a useful definition of "normally" here. |
| 20:20.23 | jelly-home | Innocentus: you will have to read the sshd_config manual to find out how to limit sftp to, say, certain groups |
| 20:20.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: "default" |
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| 20:24.52 | Innocentus | OK thank you |
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| 20:30.09 | fas3r | do you know the equivalent of the option -B ( with scp ) for ssh or rsh ? |
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| 20:30.59 | abrotman | which does what? |
| 20:31.16 | fas3r | to avoid the passphrase / password |
| 20:31.26 | nsadmin | avoid? why? |
| 20:31.37 | fas3r | humm .. sorry wrong word :) |
| 20:31.38 | abrotman | fas3r: use keys? |
| 20:31.40 | fas3r | yes |
| 20:31.43 | fas3r | i use key |
| 20:31.44 | fas3r | sorry |
| 20:31.49 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 20:31.51 | dpkg | ssh keys is, like, http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 20:32.04 | fas3r | many thanks abrotman :) |
| 20:32.06 | fas3r | as usual :) |
| 20:32.14 | abrotman | isn't sure if that was too easy or not |
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| 20:35.48 | fas3r | abrotman i already to this ... but if i switch with the good user it work (su - myuser) ... but if i try from root for example : ssh -2 myuser@myserver he ask me all time the password |
| 20:37.24 | acemi | fas3r: add key to root's ssh-agent too |
| 20:38.46 | fas3r | acemi for the other user ? |
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| 20:38.56 | fas3r | oki :) |
| 20:38.56 | fas3r | i try |
| 20:38.58 | acemi | ex: ssh-agent /bin/bash; ssh-add /home/youruser/.ssh/key; ssh myuser@myserver |
| 20:39.03 | acemi | as root |
| 20:39.23 | fas3r | oki |
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| 20:39.30 | fas3r | many thanks |
| 20:39.35 | acemi | np |
| 20:40.36 | acemi | no ';' between commands, just show the order |
| 20:40.51 | fas3r | yes yes ^^ |
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| 20:44.44 | Surf | I just installed ssh server on debian running locally on my computer. What IP should I use in Putty for ssh connection? |
| 20:45.13 | qeef | the ip of your server ;) |
| 20:45.21 | fas3r | Surf you mean in local network ? |
| 20:45.28 | Surf | the one at ifconfig? *confused* |
| 20:45.34 | fas3r | but yes the ip of your server |
| 20:45.38 | fas3r | yes exactly :) |
| 20:46.12 | qeef | hello there. i would like to know how can i use programs like shutdown, ifconfig and dhclient like regular user (not root)? |
| 20:46.24 | fas3r | qeef sudo |
| 20:46.29 | qeef | hmm :/ |
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| 20:46.38 | Surf | fas3r im getting network error: connection refused |
| 20:46.40 | qeef | and when i dont wanna use sudo? |
| 20:46.47 | fas3r | Surf port 22 ? |
| 20:46.50 | Surf | ya |
| 20:47.20 | fas3r | qeef you can create a group and give good right to execute this command |
| 20:47.47 | fas3r | Surf does your ssh run :) ? |
| 20:47.54 | Surf | fas3r how do I check :) |
| 20:48.04 | fas3r | Surf /etc/init.d/openssh restart |
| 20:48.06 | NoNaMeNo | hi, I have a couple of partitions formated with ext4 and now with Debian Lenny they can't be mounted, is it possible to install from the testing branch a newer kernel? |
| 20:48.10 | satdav | !sudo |
| 20:48.10 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 20:48.48 | satdav | !visudo |
| 20:48.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
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| 20:49.01 | Surf | fas3r No suck file or directory :O |
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| 20:49.07 | Surf | such* |
| 20:49.10 | fas3r | NoNaMeNo use a live cd and mount / then recompil your kernel :) |
| 20:49.17 | satdav | I am trying to get docs on how to add visudo users |
| 20:49.23 | satdav | !man visudo |
| 20:49.24 | dpkg | man visudo is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=visudo where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 20:49.37 | wolfric | rumour has it? lol |
| 20:49.46 | NoNaMeNo | fas3r: it's not the root which is ext4 |
| 20:50.35 | satdav | !rumour |
| 20:50.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, I think. |
| 20:50.39 | fas3r | NoNaMeNo well you can recompil it easily |
| 20:50.45 | wolfric | lol |
| 20:50.55 | wolfric | !home |
| 20:50.55 | dpkg | home are you? |
| 20:50.57 | satdav | !sudoers |
| 20:51.07 | wolfric | !127.0.0.1 |
| 20:51.07 | dpkg | 127 |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | leave the bot alone |
| 20:51.14 | NoNaMeNo | fas3r: just recompile 2.6.26? |
| 20:51.20 | fas3r | yes |
| 20:51.39 | fas3r | download source and all necessary packagee and you will be able to recompil it and add ext4 |
| 20:52.08 | abrotman | eh no he won't |
| 20:52.10 | NoNaMeNo | I read that it isn't safe to use ext4 with 2.6.26 |
| 20:52.19 | abrotman | !tell NoNaMeNo about bpo |
| 20:52.22 | abrotman | use the .32 from backports.org |
| 20:52.48 | fas3r | NoNaMeNo maybe ... but listen abrotman use the .32 from backport |
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| 20:53.16 | NoNaMeNo | .32 |
| 20:53.24 | NoNaMeNo | ok lets see |
| 20:53.28 | abrotman | lenny does not have the correct/stable ext4 .. it's in there as ext4_dev |
| 20:54.03 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:55.54 | razzq | Hi, someone knows how to execute .vim file that contains vim syntax? thanks |
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| 20:56.20 | nsadmin | draw your sword and shoot it? |
| 20:56.23 | abrotman | razzq: #vim ? |
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| 20:57.31 | rindolf | Hi all. The maintainer of the package this bug is filed against appears to be MIA. How can I notify other developers of it ? I'm the package's upstream maintainer - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589387 |
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| 20:58.03 | Surf | how do I see if openssh is up and running? |
| 20:58.14 | rindolf | Surf: pgrep? |
| 20:58.23 | abrotman | rindolf: it's really a wishlist bug .. you could offer to become the maintainer if you would like |
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| 20:59.07 | Surf | rindolf: pgrep? that returned in no matching criteria |
| 20:59.29 | rindolf | Surf: you need to pass arguments to it. |
| 20:59.38 | rindolf | abrotman: of the package in Debian? |
| 20:59.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:59.57 | rindolf | abrotman: well, I'm not actively using Debian. |
| 21:00.11 | acemi | Surf: /etc/init.d/ssh status |
| 21:00.12 | NoNaMeNo | changing paths to uuid, now I'm scared. Don't know if the system will be able to start |
| 21:00.14 | abrotman | rindolf: you just need a VM or something like that .. you're really just using it to package |
| 21:00.21 | rindolf | abrotman: OK. |
| 21:00.25 | rindolf | abrotman: I'm not a Debian developer. |
| 21:00.32 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:00.32 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:00.55 | Surf | acemi: thanks :) says sshd is running. but still, im having trouble connecting with putty. any ideas? |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | you'd ask if you can take over the package .. tell them you'd like to be upstream and package maintainer .. then use the mentors system to upload it once you find a mentor |
| 21:01.26 | rindolf | abrotman: OK. |
| 21:01.51 | abrotman | rindolf: start by appending the bug to see if the current maintainer would be interested in having you be a co-maintainer or take over the package |
| 21:02.07 | rindolf | abrotman: appending? |
| 21:02.14 | abrotman | rindolf: bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:02.28 | rindolf | abrotman: like I said, the current maintainer appears to be MIA. |
| 21:02.28 | acemi | Surf: check the ip, port vs. i don't know putty interface |
| 21:02.38 | rindolf | abrotman: what should I do with it? |
| 21:02.54 | abrotman | rindolf: it's just so there is a record of you asking .. |
| 21:02.54 | nsadmin | mail stuff you want to append to it |
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| 21:03.03 | rindolf | abrotman: OK. |
| 21:03.54 | nsadmin | 589387@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:04.01 | nsadmin | in this case |
| 21:04.13 | Surf | acemi: the inet addr at ifconfig is: 192.168.0.100. the port is set to 22 in putty. maybe the port is wrong? |
| 21:04.31 | acemi | Surf: no, it's ok |
| 21:05.40 | acemi | Surf: are username/password correct? |
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| 21:07.13 | Surf | acemi: im not promted with username and password. once i open ssh in putty i get: Network error: Connection refused |
| 21:07.52 | acemi | Surf: it seems a firewall problem |
| 21:08.05 | Surf | acemi: maybe it's because im on NAT then? let me try bridged |
| 21:08.22 | nsadmin | connection refused could mean service not listing at port |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | rindolf: what is your distro of choice? |
| 21:08.42 | rindolf | abrotman: Mandriva Cooker on my desktop machine, and Mandriva 2010.2 on my laptop. |
| 21:09.04 | rindolf | abrotman: I have a Debian VM and a partition but I'm not using them a lot. |
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| 21:10.01 | factran | d2ogch3n: sorry for the long elay for the answer, switching screen with fnf3 is now working, thanks, however,the resume from standby (fn+f4) is not working. |
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| 21:13.08 | d2ogch3n | factran: think I use my power key to resume haven't checked the Fn+F3 key also check out thinkwiki for your model, maybe some differences |
| 21:13.09 | abrotman | rindolf: okay, well, if you're a programmer, following the new maintainer stuff isn't too hard |
| 21:13.28 | rindolf | abrotman: OK. |
| 21:13.43 | rindolf | abrotman: well, I have a lot to do as it is. |
| 21:13.54 | factran | d2ogch3n: ok. |
| 21:13.56 | rindolf | abrotman: and now I also have a day job. |
| 21:14.39 | abrotman | rindolf: once you get used to it and use his as a template, it'll probably take you no time at all |
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| 21:14.58 | abrotman | rindolf: and since you're upstream, you can incorporate any changes into the source tarball making it even easier |
| 21:14.58 | rindolf | abrotman: OK. |
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| 21:20.50 | grafdiffuzor | Is there button/way for "previous N entries" on planet debian? |
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| 21:28.27 | Hydroxide | llama, huh... |
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| 21:33.59 | Nastya | hi everyone! |
| 21:34.04 | hyppie | hi |
| 21:34.41 | Nastya | I'm sintalling lsa an it asks for: Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
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| 21:34.49 | Nastya | where can I find them? |
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| 21:37.46 | nsadmin | if it says anything like that, the install wasn't done by dpkg/apt-get/aptitude |
| 21:39.05 | Nastya | yeap. and I can't find anything suitable with aptitude searhc kernel |
| 21:39.29 | acemi | linux-headers |
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| 21:42.07 | Nastya | thank you nsadmin |
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| 21:43.37 | NoNaMeNo | back |
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| 21:44.00 | NoNaMeNo | I had to set UUID in the grub menu.lst instead of /dev/hdX |
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| 21:56.42 | qeef | can i make some programs (like shutdown) executable by a group of users? (i dont want sudo, just want to enable shutdown for some people) |
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| 21:57.35 | abrotman | man shutdown |
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| 22:00.44 | KB1JWQ | I find that there's a bit of an issue with the standard base version of clamav; what's the "sensible" way to update it to a supported version (0.94 is EOL and breaks in interesting ways as a result)? |
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| 22:01.10 | KB1JWQ | Nothing in backports, and I'm a bit worried to break things if I don't get testing or unstable installed properly-- this box is somewhat important to a project I'm working on. :-) |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: do you have volatile sources? |
| 22:01.24 | KB1JWQ | abrotman: Not at the moment. |
| 22:01.27 | qeef | @abortman nop, man shutdown doesnt work :) just red it |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | judd: versions clamav |
| 22:01.34 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.5+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.5+dfsg-1; squeeze: 0.96.5+dfsg-1 |
| 22:01.34 | KB1JWQ | Suggestions on how to set that up so I don't blow gaping holes into things I love? |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: there isn't much in volatile .. mostly you'll see tzdata and clamav |
| 22:02.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell KB1JWQ about volatile |
| 22:02.52 | KB1JWQ | How would I go about pinning this properly so it doesn't overwrite things when new packages get added? |
| 22:03.08 | abrotman | like normal pinning IIRC |
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| 22:03.31 | abrotman | you could take a look and see what it would affect .. i've only seem clamav and tzdata AFAIR |
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| 22:12.07 | wassim | hiii |
| 22:12.23 | wassim | can i ask about LMDE ?? Mint based Debian ?? |
| 22:12.54 | Hydroxide | wassim: no. we only support regular Debian as provided by Debian. If you want to ask about some other distribution, go to their IRC channel or other support method, even if it's less helpful. |
| 22:13.14 | wassim | ok |
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| 22:13.34 | wassim | but i like to know if it is like Debian stable or no ?? |
| 22:13.43 | wassim | sorry debian test ?? |
| 22:14.00 | wassim | and whats the problems in debian test ?? |
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| 22:14.42 | Hydroxide | wassim: no clue about whether LMDE or mint-based debian is like debian stable or testing. debian testing works relatively well, if you aren't affected by the few remaining bugs and don't need security team support |
| 22:15.36 | djura-san | is any debian kernel using that "200 lines patch that do wonders"? |
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| 22:16.29 | Hydroxide | djura-san: no, it can have negative consequences for uses other than the consumer desktop which it was intended for. however some of the same articles that mentioned that also mentioned something you can add to your .bashrc to get the same effect. feel free to do that |
| 22:17.03 | Hydroxide | djura-san: also feel free to build your own kernel, though then you'd be responsible for security support for your kernel, or at least rebuilding it against newer debian sources |
| 22:17.16 | djura-san | Hydroxide: okay, i saw that for .bashrc but im not sure that i understand what that thing actually does so i will not apply it. I was just wondering :) |
| 22:17.25 | helmut | hi. I have a very strange problem with wwwoffle, glibc, getaddrinfo on squeeze. explanation takes a bit. would anyone volunteer in aiding me to debug it? I need some pointers on where to dig, but basically know my way around. |
| 22:17.25 | Hydroxide | np |
| 22:17.32 | djura-san | than you Hydroxide :) |
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| 22:23.56 | helmut | why would getaddrinfo("machinename", "1234", ..., ...) return EAI_NONAME when I am offline, but return 0 when I am online? |
| 22:24.11 | abrotman | localhost missing in /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:24.15 | helmut | nope. |
| 22:24.40 | helmut | even worse dig -t a machinename always works. (resolv.conf contains 127.0.0.1 which is pdnsd) |
| 22:25.25 | dondelelcaro | helmut: what's in /etc/hosts? |
| 22:26.05 | helmut | dondelelcaro: basically the only interesting line is: 127.0.0.1 machinename localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 22:26.12 | dondelelcaro | helmut: well, that's not quite right |
| 22:26.36 | dondelelcaro | helmut: getent hosts machinename; should return the FQDN first, then the hostname. |
| 22:26.38 | helmut | uhm. I never understood what the 127.0.0.1 line should look like. |
| 22:26.49 | karlpinc | helmut: "getent hosts foo" is what the resolver returns. /etc/nsswitch.conf controls database search order. (In cases like this I sometimes suspect mdns aka avahi.) |
| 22:26.54 | helmut | is there any documentation on this? |
| 22:27.01 | dondelelcaro | helmut: sure, man 5 hosts; |
| 22:27.09 | helmut | dondelelcaro: thanks. I'll read. |
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| 22:27.54 | helmut | karlpinc: hosts: files gw_name dns |
| 22:28.35 | helmut | karlpinc, dondelelcaro: thank you very much. I'll read man 5 hosts now and come back if it still does not work out |
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| 22:32.28 | helmut | dondelelcaro: uhm. man 5 hosts tells *very* little about this matter |
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| 22:33.22 | helmut | dondelelcaro: for instance it doesn't event talk about fqdn |
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| 22:33.31 | helmut | dondelelcaro: do you have any better documentation at hand? |
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| 22:34.52 | helmut | karlpinc: I fear that getent hosts foo does *not* return the same as getaddrinfo. I just reproduced it |
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| 22:38.42 | helmut | how do I find out what my /etc/hosts should look like? |
| 22:39.59 | wolfric | helmut: what do you mean "should" look like? |
| 22:40.22 | wolfric | it should have any static dns entries in there you might need/want. An ip followed by a hostname |
| 22:40.48 | wolfric | usually there'll be 127.0.0.1 your_computer_name etc |
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| 22:41.16 | helmut | wolfric: dondelelcaro just pointed out this method to be "wrong". |
| 22:41.25 | helmut | wolfric: I still lack understanding in why this is wrong |
| 22:41.51 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/45A3KpPR |
| 22:41.53 | wolfric | this is mine |
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| 22:42.29 | helmut | wolfric: ok. I just tried a very similar one, the underlying problem remains: |
| 22:42.38 | wolfric | whats the problem? |
| 22:42.58 | helmut | wolfric: getaddrinfo("machinename", "1234", ..., ...) returns EAI_NONAME when I am "offline", but returns the intended results when I am "online". |
| 22:43.26 | helmut | wolfric: note that the getaddrinfo call does not result in any packets being sent over the network. |
| 22:43.49 | helmut | any ideas on how to debug this? |
| 22:44.08 | helmut | note that this is squeeze and the problem started appearing within the last 2 weeks. |
| 22:44.39 | helmut | I am kind of tempted to file a grave bug report against wwwoffle for not working without a internet connection. |
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| 22:44.58 | dondelelcaro | helmut: show us your /etc/hosts |
| 22:45.14 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I already showed. do you really need all the remaining ipv6 addresses? |
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| 22:45.32 | wolfric | actually what would be better, tell us the encoding of your hosts file as well |
| 22:45.42 | dondelelcaro | helmut: I want to see the exact file |
| 22:45.49 | dondelelcaro | helmut: use a paste site to give it to us |
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| 22:46.14 | wolfric | do file /etc/hosts |
| 22:46.32 | helmut | http://pastebin.com/jdzCwvpm |
| 22:46.46 | helmut | wolfric: it is plain ascii |
| 22:46.49 | dondelelcaro | helmut: and your machine name is really machinename? |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | asked that 10 minutes ago |
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| 22:47.48 | helmut | dondelelcaro: sanitized. however hostname and hostname -f return the same name. |
| 22:47.56 | dondelelcaro | helmut: well, they shouldn't |
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| 22:48.07 | abrotman | is /etc/mailname empty? |
| 22:48.15 | abrotman | or not relevant here? |
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| 22:48.21 | helmut | abrotman: it contains localhost.localdomain |
| 22:48.41 | dondelelcaro | helmut: you should have a 127.0.0.1 line which just lists localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 22:48.44 | helmut | dondelelcaro: well I still have no clue why nor what should be the case. |
| 22:48.52 | wolfric | what are you using to call getaddrinfo? i wonder would an strace show anything |
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| 22:48.59 | dondelelcaro | helmut: then a 127.0.1.1 machinename.domainname machinename |
| 22:49.04 | helmut | wolfric: wwwoffle calls getaddrinfo (according to ltrace) |
| 22:49.04 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
| 22:49.22 | helmut | dondelelcaro: ok. I will try that. |
| 22:49.35 | helmut | dondelelcaro: not exactly, I *did* try that. no change in results |
| 22:50.04 | abrotman | :Wq |
| 22:50.06 | abrotman | bleh |
| 22:50.09 | dondelelcaro | helmut: it may not resolve this problem, but that's how your /etc/hosts should look. Once you've fixed it, we can move on |
| 22:50.19 | helmut | dondelelcaro: updated. |
| 22:50.53 | dondelelcaro | helmut: now, when you are offline, does ping machinename; work? |
| 22:50.54 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I found http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/666-Does-Debian-need-the-local-host-name-in-etchosts-for-IPv6.html minutes earlier and followed that example. |
| 22:51.04 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I will try. one moment |
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| 22:54.05 | helmut | dondelelcaro: ping machinename works as expected |
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| 22:54.45 | helmut | wwwoffle does another thing. getaddrinfo("127.0.0.1", "1234", ..., ...) which returns EAI_ADDRFAMILY when offline and 0 when online |
| 22:55.38 | helmut | I have absolutely no clue how the online/offline state affects this |
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| 22:55.52 | NoNaMeNo | any way to automatically add a couple of dns servers to resolv.conf after each reboot? |
| 22:56.12 | helmut | NoNaMeNo: why does the file change in the first place? |
| 22:56.38 | abrotman | i think he means in addition t the DNS ones ? |
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| 22:56.55 | abrotman | erm ... dhcp ones |
| 22:57.04 | dondelelcaro | NoNaMeNo: if you're using resolvconf, yes |
| 22:57.13 | NoNaMeNo | ups, I thought resolv.conf does not save the dns after a reboot |
| 22:57.16 | helmut | NoNaMeNo: if you are using resolvconf (package) then look at /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail |
| 22:57.22 | helmut | NoNaMeNo: see man resolvconf |
| 22:57.29 | NoNaMeNo | no, im not using resolvconf nor dhcp |
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| 22:57.39 | abrotman | then they shouldn't change |
| 22:57.44 | dondelelcaro | helmut: uh... how are you setting offline/online? |
| 22:57.59 | helmut | dondelelcaro: ifup eth0 vs ifdown eth0. |
| 22:58.04 | helmut | dondelelcaro: this is dhcp |
| 22:58.07 | dondelelcaro | helmut: and loopback is still up? |
| 22:58.11 | helmut | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 22:58.46 | helmut | dondelelcaro: note that the getaddrinfo call does not cause any packets to be transmitted |
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| 22:59.55 | helmut | any further ideas on how to debug this? |
| 23:00.14 | dondelelcaro | helmut: sure, because it's looking for an interface with that address, and it doesn't need to send any packets to do that. |
| 23:00.27 | dondelelcaro | helmut: it would help if you would give us the actual call that is being made instead of obfuscating it |
| 23:00.40 | helmut | dondelelcaro: you mean from ltrace? |
| 23:00.49 | dondelelcaro | helmut: from strace, yes |
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| 23:01.10 | helmut | dondelelcaro: getaddrinfo("127.0.0.1", "8081", 0xbf8fb96c, 0xbf8fb98c) = -9 |
| 23:01.20 | Bop | ,versions hedgewars |
| 23:01.22 | judd | Package hedgewars on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.13-1; sid: 0.9.14.1-1 |
| 23:01.34 | helmut | dondelelcaro: vs getaddrinfo("127.0.0.1", "8081", 0xbfc3ff8c, 0xbfc3ffac) = 0 |
| 23:01.37 | frikinz | isn't threre something to do after changing /etc/hosts so that it is taken into account? |
| 23:02.19 | helmut | frikinz: if there is no caching service: no. and pdnsd automatically checks timestamp of the file. |
| 23:03.01 | helmut | dondelelcaro: of course strace does not show any getaddrinfo calls |
| 23:03.13 | dondelelcaro | helmut: err, right |
| 23:03.50 | helmut | dondelelcaro: do you have an idea, on how I could get the contents of the hints structure (third parameter)? |
| 23:04.23 | helmut | waits for the "apt-get source ..." response... |
| 23:04.26 | frikinz | just take the snippet from the manpage |
| 23:04.41 | helmut | frikinz: the actual contents |
| 23:05.03 | dondelelcaro | helmut: the answer is to run it under a debugger with the appropriate -dbg packages installed... |
| 23:05.08 | frikinz | helmut: maybe try the snippet in getaddrinfo manpage |
| 23:05.35 | helmut | dondelelcaro: wwwoffle does not provide dbg packages, libc6 debug packages installed. would that work? |
| 23:05.44 | dondelelcaro | helmut: yes, that would be enough |
| 23:05.49 | frikinz | at least I'm sure having the hostname on the same line as localhost is wrong |
| 23:05.59 | helmut | frikinz: I do not understand what you mean |
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| 23:06.21 | helmut | frikinz: chance is you are trying to solve a different problem |
| 23:06.44 | helmut | dondelelcaro: ok. let me try the online case first ;-) |
| 23:06.45 | jhutchins | frikinz: Not necessarily. |
| 23:06.57 | frikinz | it fools a lot of programs |
| 23:07.09 | jhutchins | frikinz: It's valid to have multiple hostnames for each IP entry. |
| 23:07.17 | helmut | dondelelcaro: hints: $1 = {ai_flags = 34, ai_family = 0, ai_socktype = 1, ai_protocol = 0, ai_addrlen = 0, ai_addr = 0x0, ai_canonname = 0x0, ai_next = 0x0} |
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| 23:07.48 | helmut | dondelelcaro: should I verify that wwwoffle uses the same hints when offline? |
| 23:08.12 | jhutchins | frikinz: Have a look at the hosts manpage. |
| 23:08.17 | frikinz | jhutchins: not for 127.0.0.1 iirc |
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| 23:08.49 | dondelelcaro | helmut: hrm... what is the output of ip lo? |
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| 23:08.58 | dondelelcaro | helmut: err, ip addr lo; of course. |
| 23:09.18 | jhutchins | frikinz: ydnrc |
| 23:09.33 | dondelelcaro | ip addr show dev lo; |
| 23:09.46 | dondelelcaro | needs to stop mapping ifconfig arguments onto ip |
| 23:09.58 | frikinz | see this for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=247734 |
| 23:10.02 | helmut | now the last one makes sense. |
| 23:10.27 | helmut | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/FEGya312 |
| 23:10.30 | dondelelcaro | helmut: I just want to make sure that you have 127.0.0.1/8 and ::1/128 there |
| 23:10.53 | dondelelcaro | helmut: hrm. that looks perfectly fine |
| 23:11.06 | dondelelcaro | helmut: and this is what you see when you're offline too, right? |
| 23:11.10 | helmut | dondelelcaro: keep in mind that this setup worked fine until some upgrade within the last three weeks. |
| 23:11.24 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I was unable to find out the precise difference by downgrading some packages. |
| 23:11.26 | dondelelcaro | helmut: ah. must have missed that key bit of information. |
| 23:11.37 | dondelelcaro | helmut: do you still have /var/log/dpkg.log for the range of time? |
| 23:11.37 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I will try with offline now |
| 23:12.04 | helmut | dondelelcaro: no difference with offline |
| 23:12.07 | jhutchins | frikinz: The filer is incorrect, it's a valid format and the installer isn't the only thing to use it. The fact that some programs fail to handle it correctly is a bug for those respective programs. |
| 23:12.25 | helmut | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 23:12.34 | helmut | dondelelcaro: 4k lines |
| 23:12.37 | jhutchins | frikinz: Remember that the hosts file is common across multiple OSs. |
| 23:12.42 | jhutchins | frikinz: Including MS. |
| 23:13.07 | helmut | dondelelcaro: one of my first guesses was glibc, which was not the cause |
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| 23:13.35 | dondelelcaro | hrm |
| 23:13.59 | dondelelcaro | helmut: do all of your other listening daemons work properly? |
| 23:14.41 | helmut | dondelelcaro: there isn't much other daemons for a laptop. pdnsd works fie. |
| 23:14.43 | helmut | *fine |
| 23:15.00 | helmut | dondelelcaro: I could try restarting cups in offline mode |
| 23:15.58 | helmut | dondelelcaro: oh and this problem seems to have some ipv4/ipv6 touch. (hard to explain. experience ;-) |
| 23:16.17 | helmut | dondelelcaro: one hint for this is the EAI_ADDRFAMILY |
| 23:16.54 | dondelelcaro | helmut: yeah, it's also the flags that are set |
| 23:17.15 | helmut | dondelelcaro: another is that if I set bind-ipv4 = ip6-localhost in wwwoffle.conf (yes this sounds deeply wrong), then wwwoffle starts up fine binding to ::1 in offline mode. |
| 23:17.46 | dondelelcaro | helmut: hrm... yeah, I think I sense what the problem is here |
| 23:17.59 | helmut | dondelelcaro: great. please share then :-= |
| 23:18.01 | helmut | :-) |
| 23:18.33 | helmut | (and thanks for taking the time all this way down) |
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| 23:20.39 | dondelelcaro | helmut: getaddrinfo is being called with AI_ADDRCONFIG | AI_ALL | AI_NUMERICHOST; I have the suspicion this is just wrong |
| 23:20.50 | rubin110 | Are there instructions on how to create a bootable thumg drive to install Debian, on a Mac? |
| 23:20.59 | dondelelcaro | helmut: but I'm not certain |
| 23:21.14 | helmut | dondelelcaro: this would indicate that wwwoffle is deeply rc buggy |
| 23:21.34 | abrotman | rubin110: on OSX you mean? |
| 23:21.48 | rubin110 | abrotman: Correct. |
| 23:21.52 | helmut | dondelelcaro: looks like I am not alone: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/04/msg00597.html |
| 23:21.56 | abrotman | the regular instructions don't work ? |
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| 23:22.16 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 23:22.16 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:22.39 | Surf | how come all my ports are not responding? I have tried port forwarding without any luck. OS firewall is off and, I don't have ny other firewall that might be blocking. Any ideas? |
| 23:22.46 | dondelelcaro | helmut: yeah, I'd make sure a bug (probably RC?) is filed against wwwoffle |
| 23:22.53 | satellit_afk | rubin110: Virtualbox 4.0 lets you run squeeze on OSX (MacBook Air) install from .iso |
| 23:23.15 | helmut | dondelelcaro: well I cannot start or control it when I am offline. |
| 23:23.21 | helmut | dondelelcaro: which kind of defeats its purpose |
| 23:24.08 | helmut | dondelelcaro: could you tell why the flags are wrong? |
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| 23:24.54 | dondelelcaro | helmut: it just sounds wrong to ask for a numeric address socket, but then ask for all of them back |
| 23:25.26 | helmut | dondelelcaro: ok. and why should the online/offline state affect the glibc resolver? |
| 23:25.44 | helmut | dondelelcaro: maybe I should try even older glibc packages to see whether that makes a difference. |
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| 23:27.02 | helmut | (man getaddrinfo is very precise about the meaning of AI_ALL btw. did I mention that these manual packes suck?) |
| 23:27.13 | helmut | s/packes/pages/ |
| 23:29.18 | helmut | Surf: with port forwarding did you switch on the ip4_forward sysctl knob? |
| 23:29.41 | helmut | Surf: err ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:30.19 | dondelelcaro | helmut: not sure myself; someone who knows how this all interacts would know better. |
| 23:30.27 | Surf | helmut: naa, should that be an option? can't see it |
| 23:30.31 | helmut | dondelelcaro: #debian-glibc? |
| 23:30.47 | helmut | Surf: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 23:39.15 | qeef | hey. i wanted to make some programs (like shutdown) executable for another users then root. i made it this way: |
| 23:39.15 | qeef | chown root:newGroup /sbin/shutdown |
| 23:39.15 | qeef | chmod 4750 /sbin/shutdown |
| 23:39.15 | qeef | now, anyone from group newGroup is able to execute /sbin/shutdown . |
| 23:39.15 | qeef | my question: is this solution all right or is there any big problems? thanks |
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| 23:40.18 | qeef | hey. i must not copy my msgs from txt file :D |
| 23:40.30 | prince_jammys | i'd configure /etc/sudoers, and use sudo |
| 23:40.52 | qeef | so.. i wrote: i wanted to make some programs (like shutdown) executable for another users then root. a made it this way: |
| 23:41.01 | prince_jammys | it showed here |
| 23:41.06 | qeef | hey |
| 23:41.08 | qeef | thanks |
| 23:41.20 | qeef | hmm i dont want to use sudo |
| 23:41.23 | qeef | because.. |
| 23:41.49 | qeef | i dont want to type another command to use command.. if you understand |
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| 23:42.46 | prince_jammys | beats me then. the sudoers solution is what i normally use. i don't know the drawbacks, if any, of yours |
| 23:43.32 | qeef | is it possible to configure sudoers without sudo? |
| 23:43.55 | KB1JWQ | Sure, although nothing will use it. :-) |
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| 23:44.17 | prince_jammys | the drawbacks depend probably on exactly what commands you're doing this with |
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| 23:44.48 | qeef | hmm i need shutdown, ifconfig, dhclient primary |
| 23:45.11 | qeef | so i set them up to chmod 4750 |
| 23:45.38 | qeef | but.. if its possible to make it throw sudoers, it could be better |
| 23:46.07 | qeef | know that chmod 4750 is potential risk |
| 23:46.40 | prince_jammys | if you choose to use sudo, you'll see examples in ''man sudoers'', or maybe even in comments in /etc/sudoers |
| 23:47.30 | qeef | and if i dont want to use sudo? will sudoers work? |
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| 23:48.06 | prince_jammys | no |
| 23:48.12 | qeef | :( |
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| 23:48.36 | qeef | hmm i think that i will let it like i have it right now |
| 23:49.09 | prince_jammys | it can't be that hard to type 'sudo', unless you shut down many times per session |
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| 23:50.34 | qeef | it is not and i think that i will use it if i will admin some pc classroom or like that.. |
| 23:51.08 | qeef | but this is for my computer |
| 23:51.28 | qeef | ^^ |
| 23:51.46 | qeef | anyway.. thanks for sudo tip. i know that i will use it sometime |
| 23:51.53 | prince_jammys | welcome |
| 23:53.16 | KB1JWQ | !pinning |
| 23:53.17 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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