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| 00:01.27 | Jareth | someone know a way I can install autoconf 2.64 or 2.65 on debian lenny? (with apt-get?) |
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| 00:03.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jareth: is it in backports? |
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| 00:05.34 | Jareth | I looked in apt-cache search, didn't see it. but I am not sure if there another sources server for get it i can add in my apt/sources.list |
| 00:05.57 | Jareth | like a no-stable fetch server or something |
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| 00:06.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions autoconf |
| 00:06.52 | judd | Package autoconf on i386 -- etch: 2.61-4; lenny: 2.61-8; lenny-backports: 2.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.67-2; squeeze: 2.67-2 |
| 00:07.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell Jareth about backports |
| 00:07.31 | Jareth | Thank you Kamping_Kaiser, great help :) |
| 00:08.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jareth: np :) |
| 00:09.08 | MindWarper | nice one |
| 00:09.32 | MindWarper | are you on mint ? |
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| 00:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | MindWarper: ? |
| 00:16.37 | MindWarper | mint debia linux |
| 00:17.09 | MindWarper | Kamping_Kaiser: ? |
| 00:17.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | MindWarper: you're in #debian, what do you think people are using? |
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| 00:17.34 | qq- | !mint |
| 00:17.35 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 00:17.39 | MindWarper | mint debian |
| 00:17.57 | MindWarper | its better then debian |
| 00:18.19 | MindWarper | why wouldnt peeps be using it |
| 00:18.19 | ajikeshi | O_o |
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| 00:24.11 | Jareth | my /etc/apt/preferences is empty, I added stuff for auto update from lenny-backports. I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, nuthing happened |
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| 00:28.32 | andzia | hello |
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| 00:29.25 | andzia | Agiofws, |
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| 00:34.41 | Haddem | hi |
| 00:35.07 | t3a | hello |
| 00:35.31 | Haddem | does anyone know why I can not download the package from my nano debian? |
| 00:35.34 | Haddem | :( |
| 00:35.49 | Haddem | # apt-get install nano |
| 00:35.50 | Haddem | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 00:35.54 | Haddem | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 00:35.55 | Haddem | [ed1703]: Couldn't find package nano |
| 00:36.00 | Haddem | :/ |
| 00:36.12 | Bop | Haddem, aptitude search nano |
| 00:36.25 | Haddem | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 00:36.35 | Bop | apt-get install aptitude |
| 00:36.50 | Haddem | Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:36.50 | Haddem | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 00:36.50 | Haddem | is only available from another source |
| 00:36.50 | Haddem | Hey, ed1703: Package aptitude has no installation candidate |
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| 00:36.58 | Haddem | ops |
| 00:37.00 | Haddem | wait |
| 00:37.42 | qeef | hmm what about /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:38.29 | Haddem | look |
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| 00:38.51 | qeef | think that important is |
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| 00:39.01 | qeef | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 00:39.20 | qeef | (not sure) |
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| 00:39.40 | Haddem | http://pastebin.ca/2030177 |
| 00:40.09 | qeef | try to add the row ;) |
| 00:40.15 | qeef | i posted |
| 00:40.28 | Haddem | what line ? |
| 00:40.33 | Haddem | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ lenny main ? |
| 00:40.37 | qeef | yop |
| 00:40.43 | Haddem | k |
| 00:40.44 | Haddem | wait |
| 00:41.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell Haddem about pastebin |
| 00:41.20 | t3a | is debian rex still supported? |
| 00:41.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | t3a: no |
| 00:43.09 | t3a | buzz? |
| 00:43.51 | Haddem | http://pastebin.ca/2030179 |
| 00:45.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Haddem: cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/debian_version ; lsb_release -a |
| 00:45.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | stick that line in a pastebin |
| 00:46.06 | qeef | type apt-get update |
| 00:46.39 | qeef | (updates server.list) |
| 00:46.51 | qeef | and then apt-get install nano¨ |
| 00:46.52 | Haddem | http://pastebin.ca/2030182 |
| 00:47.39 | qeef | what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? try cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:47.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Haddem: you need to use cat |
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| 00:53.21 | Haddem | hum |
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| 00:54.48 | qeef | so? |
| 00:54.59 | Haddem | DONE |
| 00:55.00 | Haddem | O/ |
| 00:55.03 | qeef | gg |
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| 01:07.32 | shalok | How do I make thunderbird display attached images inline (like it does in MS Windows)? |
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| 01:08.22 | xetocalf | @shalok - not really a debian question - #thunderbird |
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| 01:20.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | weird, i can't create a squeeze pbuilder |
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| 01:24.15 | t3a | I'm running Debian rex and KDE is really laggy. |
| 01:24.32 | MindWarper | whats debian rex ? |
| 01:24.50 | MindWarper | testimg |
| 01:25.04 | MindWarper | experimental ? |
| 01:25.08 | t3a | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Debian#1993.E2.80.931998 |
| 01:25.38 | t3a | actually https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Debian#Releases |
| 01:27.47 | MindWarper | how so your just trolling |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | MindWarper: Rex is a very old release of Debian |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | no longer supported |
| 01:29.31 | asg | s/supported/propped up at all/ |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:34.06 | MindWarper | why isn't debian joining ubunto ? |
| 01:34.52 | MindWarper | why continue has a separate distro ? |
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| 01:35.28 | abrotman | MindWarper: they're different distros ... end of discussion |
| 01:35.28 | dvs | looks for the bait |
| 01:36.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | dvs: its been getting dangled for some time |
| 01:36.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | starting roghly 70 minutes ago |
| 01:38.36 | dvs | oh |
| 01:40.17 | MindWarper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.02 | JairunCaloth | debian beta2 install works great on my machine :D |
| 01:49.22 | MindWarper | is that the new mint version ? |
| 01:49.45 | JairunCaloth | mint? |
| 01:49.58 | MindWarper | mint LMDE |
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| 01:50.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | MindWarper: please stop trolling, its rather annoying |
| 01:50.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | JairunCaloth: great news :) |
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| 01:50.45 | JairunCaloth | I didn't use GUI mode, it frightens me |
| 01:50.50 | MindWarper | herrubers ... |
| 01:51.37 | JairunCaloth | only complaint I have, if there are mirrors of the debian testing isos. I couldn't find them |
| 01:51.52 | JairunCaloth | and downloading from debian.org is painful |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | MindWarper: please go play somewhere else |
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| 01:52.54 | vvuja | hello |
| 01:52.58 | vvuja | help needed |
| 01:53.16 | h3sp4wn | !ask |
| 01:53.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:53.42 | vvuja | Debian 4 - 2.6.29.1-grsec |
| 01:53.49 | vvuja | any exploits or holes |
| 01:53.50 | vvuja | ? |
| 01:54.21 | h3sp4wn | Debian 4 is not supported afaik anymore |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | that's etch .. where did you get that kernel ? |
| 01:54.35 | vvuja | it is machine that is running |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:54.43 | vvuja | what should be done to patch almost all holes |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | !etch |
| 01:54.43 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 01:55.04 | vvuja | it is not possible to upgrade without problems |
| 01:55.10 | MindWarper | JairunCaloth: you didnt use wget or rsync for determining the site with the most throughput ? |
| 01:55.17 | vvuja | but I will recommend that to owner |
| 01:56.21 | vvuja | !etch lenny |
| 01:57.03 | vvuja | abrotman: It is machine of one friend that I'm helping him |
| 01:57.20 | vvuja | abrotman: it is shell server and uses that version. He compiled grsecurity patch |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | then he can compile it again ? |
| 01:57.58 | vvuja | abrotman: ok, so not to worry about setuid root programs since there is not lot of them |
| 01:58.05 | vvuja | abrotman: which kernel should he use |
| 01:58.12 | vvuja | abrotman: and compile grsec for that kernel |
| 01:58.21 | JairunCaloth | MindWarper: like I said, couldn't find a mirror for the testing iso files. mirrors during install was fine. |
| 01:58.39 | vvuja | upgrading to lenny failed for him |
| 01:58.44 | vvuja | can he upgrade kernel only |
| 01:58.53 | vvuja | for example to 2.6.33-7 |
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| 01:59.44 | vvuja | anyone? |
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| 02:00.03 | MindWarper | can i make wget download from difrent mirrors all at once is a distributed fashion ? |
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| 02:00.16 | abrotman | devfs has been deprecated since then IIRC |
| 02:00.19 | h3sp4wn | Can with axel |
| 02:00.30 | MindWarper | axel ? |
| 02:00.30 | vvuja | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 02:03.42 | MindWarper | so i should ude the -s option |
| 02:03.49 | MindWarper | ude = use |
| 02:03.53 | vvuja | ok thanks people |
| 02:03.58 | vvuja | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:04.10 | vvuja | abrotman: I can only recommend to my friend to upgrade to lenny |
| 02:04.28 | MindWarper | is there some kind of gui front end to axel h3sp4wn ? |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | vvuja: or backup/reinstall from scratch ... otherwise, he'll have to try to compile/upgrade |
| 02:05.03 | vvuja | abrotman: what? |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | compile/upgrade the kernel |
| 02:05.12 | h3sp4wn | MindWarper: No clue |
| 02:05.14 | vvuja | abrotman: backup/reinstall from scratch to go to lenny |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:05.24 | vvuja | abrotman: and compile/upgrade the kernel |
| 02:05.25 | vvuja | ok |
| 02:05.26 | vvuja | thanks |
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| 02:06.01 | h3sp4wn | MindWarper: axel-kapt (did you even try to look yourself ?) |
| 02:08.11 | MindWarper | sorry no |
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| 02:08.25 | MindWarper | since you seem idling |
| 02:08.39 | MindWarper | mabey you knew it already |
| 02:08.59 | MindWarper | i was starting to looking it up thow |
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| 02:17.09 | blast_hardcheese | So, I installed kde4.5, which turned out to be a huge mistake (no surprise there) |
| 02:17.12 | ntiy | hey people. sorry for offtop. in the following phrase " I believe that it gave me a very strong theoretical foundation." do I need an article "a" after word"me"? |
| 02:17.34 | ntiy | we have deadly arguing here... |
| 02:17.47 | blast_hardcheese | ntiy: I would say yes, personally. Without, it sounds very odd, even wrong. |
| 02:17.49 | ntiy | 2 non-native speakers as you can tell |
| 02:17.55 | JairunCaloth | strange |
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| 02:18.07 | JairunCaloth | any ideas on why the nivida driver isn't loading? |
| 02:18.07 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/95LgmC2x |
| 02:18.13 | JairunCaloth | says no such device |
| 02:18.35 | blast_hardcheese | back to KDE4.5; Unfortunately, it upgraded something in the process, and now gdm3's background image is set to nightly, despite me manually updating alternatives to point to moreblue |
| 02:18.40 | blast_hardcheese | This is really freaking annoying |
| 02:18.52 | ntiy | ok, thanks. will gladly accept more opinions (because I think there is no need in article here:))) |
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| 02:19.38 | blast_hardcheese | ntiy: You don't need "me", to be honest, but the "a", at least in that sentence, is required (to the best of my knowledge) |
| 02:20.16 | blast_hardcheese | I'm pulling my hair out over this gdm issue though |
| 02:20.28 | ntiy | why no me? if I take it away than "gave..." who? |
| 02:21.22 | blast_hardcheese | The speaker would be the implied subject, but it could also be referring to a group of people including the speaker. |
| 02:22.05 | blast_hardcheese | "it gave me a very" would be referring to the experience you got from it, It gave a very" would refer to many people getting the same benefit from it |
| 02:22.14 | h3sp4wn | first question is why not use kdm or xdm (given you are using kde) |
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| 02:22.27 | blast_hardcheese | I'm not using kde, first of all |
| 02:23.02 | JairunCaloth | really wish slim would become default for xfce4 |
| 02:23.03 | blast_hardcheese | I'm using wmii, but gdm/gnome-session/gnome-terminal seem to be the best display manager/session manager/terminal combo out there |
| 02:23.06 | JairunCaloth | off topic... |
| 02:23.16 | blast_hardcheese | Slim is quite good, but gdm3 is better |
| 02:23.47 | blast_hardcheese | well, "better" |
| 02:24.12 | h3sp4wn | So why did you install kde 4.5 ? |
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| 02:24.51 | blast_hardcheese | because a couple friends and I are contemplating trying to find out why most window managers suck by writing our own, as a LUG project |
| 02:25.04 | blast_hardcheese | there were apparently some new nice features in kde4 |
| 02:25.07 | blast_hardcheese | well, 4.5 |
| 02:25.18 | blast_hardcheese | so I installed it, tested them out, then purged kde |
| 02:25.44 | blast_hardcheese | such is one of the nice things about apt |
| 02:25.58 | sedulous | How would you turn an MPEG2 stream into Video DVD? |
| 02:25.58 | blast_hardcheese | unfortunately something got updated |
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| 02:26.15 | blast_hardcheese | and now I've got the nightly background, which I hate quite a bit |
| 02:26.24 | blast_hardcheese | debian swirl made out of stars and some other crap |
| 02:26.42 | blast_hardcheese | I really enjoyed moreblue, and I'm trying to get back to that. |
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| 02:27.06 | blast_hardcheese | Unfortunately both grub2 and gdm3 are ignoring my alternatives config |
| 02:27.23 | blast_hardcheese | nothing is pointing at nightly, as far as I can tell |
| 02:28.29 | blast_hardcheese | JairunCaloth: Are you sure the card you've got is supported by the version of the nvidia drivers you've got installed? |
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| 02:28.50 | JairunCaloth | blast_hardcheese: yeah, turns out annother module was conflicting |
| 02:28.58 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, awesome, you figured it out? |
| 02:29.02 | JairunCaloth | Yup |
| 02:29.07 | blast_hardcheese | very nice :) |
| 02:29.10 | JairunCaloth | it's workin now |
| 02:30.23 | blast_hardcheese | now if only gdm3 problems could be fixed... |
| 02:31.15 | JairunCaloth | I think it was nouveau, wouldn't let me pull it. So I just rebooted |
| 02:31.29 | JairunCaloth | which I hate to do, but meh |
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| 02:32.47 | blast_hardcheese | I wish I knew more about the underlying module system, I'd love to know why certain modules oops instead of just rmmodding themselves when something bad happens |
| 02:33.19 | blast_hardcheese | like alsa. I have a usb soundcard that I wanted to switch from the back to the front USB port; When I removed it I got an oops |
| 02:33.37 | blast_hardcheese | then everything I tried to do that touched alsa hung |
| 02:33.49 | blast_hardcheese | apparently got waiting in some kind of read loop, waiting for something that wasn't there |
| 02:34.23 | blast_hardcheese | but it was in the kernel, and the number of processes that were trying to touch those processes just kept growing... (top, kill, etc would all hang indefinitely, then refuse to die themselves) |
| 02:34.38 | blast_hardcheese | had to reboot, got stuck at trying to kill all processes, had to pull the plug. |
| 02:34.40 | blast_hardcheese | kinda sucked. |
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| 02:46.50 | blast_hardcheese | Screw this, purging gnome too |
| 02:47.36 | blast_hardcheese | fortunately I've got nothing that depends on gnome, so that's a win |
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| 02:51.45 | JairunCaloth | Yay, now for the fun that is getting a recent wine version in debian :D |
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| 02:53.15 | blast_hardcheese | JairunCaloth: :\ |
| 02:53.38 | blast_hardcheese | JairunCaloth: http://www.winehq.org/download/ |
| 02:54.03 | blast_hardcheese | Observe the nice spirally debian logo :) |
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| 02:56.31 | JairunCaloth | oprative word is recent |
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| 02:56.56 | JairunCaloth | 1.1.42 doesn't qualify |
| 02:57.28 | shadowarts | hi, i got a question about squeeze: i read that squeeze will not have binary firmware in the kernel anymore, i was wondering if i were to install squeeze today that would be true or if that wont really happen until squeeze is out of testing |
| 02:58.00 | dondelelcaro | shadowarts: it should be true now |
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| 02:59.31 | shadowarts | dondelelcaro, okay, then i guess a follow up question would be, since i do know i need the firmware for my wifi card is there a method for getting that working during the install process, i dont really have ethernet connection right now |
| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | shadowarts: yes, use the firmware-including netinst disk. |
| 03:00.32 | shadowarts | ok |
| 03:00.43 | shadowarts | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 03:00.49 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 03:23.30 | tprow | How do I do an HdInstall of Debian Sid? In other words, I want to get an installation ISO for Sid |
| 03:23.41 | tprow | How can I generate my own installation ISO for Sid if one is not available? |
| 03:24.33 | stew | tprow: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images |
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| 03:26.26 | tprow | um...ok |
| 03:26.55 | tprow | I think I will need to install testing and then upgrade to stable as my USB wireless card does not work under the installer... |
| 03:27.06 | tprow | err...upgrade to unstable, that is |
| 03:28.10 | stew | tprow: what keeps it from working under the installer? |
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| 03:28.38 | tprow | no driver, it seems |
| 03:28.49 | stew | tprow: which chipset? |
| 03:29.16 | tprow | I think rt2870 |
| 03:29.19 | tprow | as Windows XP |
| 03:29.32 | tprow | Windows XP's device manager says Service: rt2870 |
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| 03:30.07 | stew | dpkg: rt2870 |
| 03:30.07 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For device use on other architectures, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
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| 03:30.41 | stew | tprow: so the squeeze installer should have a driver for it but you need to add firmware, /msg dpkg ralink firmware ; /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 03:30.51 | tprow | stew: ok... |
| 03:31.07 | fonzi | has anyone here upgraded Squeeze? I did it about a week ago and i have this problem of net.agent process being generated incessantly, slowing down the system. |
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| 03:39.02 | fonzi | hey? |
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| 03:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | checked the bts? |
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| 03:43.36 | tprow | stew: I was able to view the list of files in the initrd of the squeeze installer under Windows with PeaZip, and, in flat view (this shows all files and folders in an archive at once), I cannot find a rt28*.ko file anywhere |
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| 03:44.54 | blast_hardcheese | GAAAAAH. I've now moved aside all the /usr/share/images/desktop-base/nightly* files, and now I've restarted completely; gdm is still using that nightly background image |
| 03:45.03 | blast_hardcheese | This is REALLY frustrating |
| 03:45.11 | blast_hardcheese | I've never found something that was THIS ridiculous to change |
| 03:45.19 | blast_hardcheese | I might just deal with slim, since this is unacceptable |
| 03:45.36 | tprow | blast_hardcheese: slim hass that nightly background image by default, too |
| 03:45.51 | blast_hardcheese | tprow: I'm sure it'll be able to be changed there though. |
| 03:45.55 | tprow | I hope that it is easy to change for your sake |
| 03:46.09 | tprow | Personally, I like it |
| 03:46.27 | blast_hardcheese | tprow: I probably would have liked it too, if I had chosen it. |
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| 03:46.54 | blast_hardcheese | It changed without asking me, and now the fact that I can't get rid of it is really stressing me out |
| 03:47.16 | blast_hardcheese | I would probably have liked it if I had seen it in a lineup |
| 03:47.54 | blast_hardcheese | but I restarted my machine and both grub2 and gdm3 (and kde4.5's background, which didn't really bother me for long, since I purged kde4.5 shortly after installing it) were all switched to nightly |
| 03:48.26 | blast_hardcheese | I just assumed it was a kde thing, since I had never seen that image before |
| 03:49.32 | blast_hardcheese | but then when I couldn't get it to go away... At this point it's just a matter of principle. I've overridden the setting in the Gnome registry, I've now completely purged and reinstalled all of gnome |
| 03:49.48 | blast_hardcheese | just to make sure there were no settings that had been messed with |
| 03:50.04 | blast_hardcheese | I've checked alternatives at every step of this process, |
| 03:50.18 | blast_hardcheese | Everything seems to be pointing at moreblue |
| 03:50.34 | blast_hardcheese | sudo grep -R nightly /etc/ gives me nothing |
| 03:51.54 | tprow | could you change the grub background image? |
| 03:52.11 | blast_hardcheese | Yes, that's now set correctly |
| 03:52.25 | blast_hardcheese | Simply changed the alternatives for it |
| 03:52.32 | blast_hardcheese | then ran update-grub2 |
| 03:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a lot of effort for something like that |
| 03:54.04 | tprow | blast_hardcheese: is the grub background you are using now a glossy light blue? |
| 03:54.48 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: The point of Debian (and linux in general) is that nothing should be "just that way". It's completely open, we should be able to customize everything. Something like the WALLPAPER OF GDM is so user-space it's not even funny, so this is infuriatingly useless |
| 03:54.58 | blast_hardcheese | tprow: Yes, let me find the exact name |
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| 03:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, well, but something like the gdm wallpaper for me ranges in importance... well, just behind everything |
| 03:57.07 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, well. I'm running a highly customized wmii environment, so I'm pretty far off the beaten path in terms of normal machine usage |
| 03:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is probably why you encounter problems |
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| 03:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | although gdm should be independent of WM |
| 03:58.25 | blast_hardcheese | s/should be/is/ |
| 03:59.19 | blast_hardcheese | Saying wmii is the reason I have problems with gdm3 is pretty silly. |
| 03:59.38 | blast_hardcheese | I appreciate your assistance with this particular problem though. I'm going to ask #gnome |
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| 04:00.26 | kanobe | Say, does anyone know a good channel to ask detailed ncurses development questions? |
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| 04:03.09 | kanobe | Or maybe basic ncurses development? |
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| 04:32.57 | miksuh | hi. Any idea what is wrong. I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze and now USB hotplugging does not seem to wor |
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| 04:33.48 | miksuh | none of the USB devices are detected if I unplug device and then plug it again |
| 04:34.13 | miksuh | in Lenny hitpluggin worked whitout problems |
| 04:34.49 | miksuh | wor = work |
| 04:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | find out what's responsible for it |
| 04:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... "doesn'T work" is vague, no? |
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| 04:39.29 | miksuh | CutMeOwnThroat: how is youir comment supposed to help? |
| 04:39.42 | miksuh | I have NOT changed any settings after uopgrade |
| 04:40.05 | miksuh | and in lenny hotplugging worked, but now in Squeeze it does not |
| 04:40.24 | miksuh | I mean that system does not even recognize any device |
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| 04:40.58 | miksuh | If I disconnect a device and then connect it again system does not recognize it |
| 04:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you know that? |
| 04:41.06 | miksuh | and lsusb does not show it etc |
| 04:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | check the output of dmesg to see if something happens when you plug it in |
| 04:41.20 | miksuh | I DID |
| 04:41.34 | miksuh | nothing is shown |
| 04:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | rather unusual |
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| 04:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that the regular debian kernel? |
| 04:42.36 | miksuh | yes |
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| 04:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | are any usb devices working? |
| 04:46.17 | miksuh | if I plug my USB memory stick in, dmmesg shows nothing new |
| 04:46.24 | miksuh | eg. USB stick |
| 04:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds a bit like you're missing some core usb kernel module for some reason |
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| 04:46.47 | miksuh | those do work which I have not unplugged after boot |
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| 04:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've only ever seen that happen when the hardware wasn't supported at all |
| 04:50.28 | miksuh | well as I said hotplugging did work in Lenny |
| 04:50.39 | miksuh | there was no problems at all while I was running lenny |
| 04:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what kernel version do you run now? |
| 04:51.41 | miksuh | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 04:51.50 | miksuh | standard kernel in Squeeze |
| 04:52.01 | miksuh | default |
| 04:52.07 | miksuh | I mean |
| 04:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 04:53.04 | Rusty1 | not plugged into a windows machine in between? |
| 04:53.51 | miksuh | I don't have any windows machines. I only have windows XP Pro installed on Virtualbox but it's awhile I have booted it |
| 04:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying to run the older kernel won't do no good, though, because there's some udev incompatibility between lenny and squeeze |
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| 04:59.40 | miksuh | yep I did read about it from release notes |
| 05:00.08 | miksuh | hm I'll boot this now |
| 05:00.33 | dclarke | debian squeeze is giving me very very poor disk io speeds. I have it installed on an AMD Opteron machine where IO is awesome and also on an Itel core i7 where it is just terrible for IO. Any obvious reasons why ? |
| 05:01.18 | Rusty1 | there is a usbmount package out there, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/usbmou |
| 05:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's gorn |
| 05:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but wouldn't help anyway, as the kernel didn't see the device at all |
| 05:01.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | if there was nothing in dmesg it implies the kernel didn't detect it at all :/ |
| 05:01.51 | dclarke | usbmount package ? I'm sorry .. how does that help with SATA disks |
| 05:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | he meant the other guy |
| 05:02.25 | Rusty1 | dclarke: wasn't for you, sry |
| 05:02.29 | dclarke | k |
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| 05:02.48 | jcress | i've been able to ssh into my server without any problems since i configured it (months ago) but now i'm getting 'connection refused' I don't have physical access to the machine (its in a different state) is there anything i can do from remote to troubleshoot? |
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| 05:07.20 | dondelelcaro | jcress: use a serial console; alternatively, reboot the machine. |
| 05:08.20 | jcress | dondelelcaro: ? is serial console, and i cant reboot the host |
| 05:09.04 | jcress | open port test (at dyndns.com) shows the port is open and accepting connections |
| 05:09.25 | jcress | if you meant reboot the client, i have |
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| 05:33.41 | nirazio | There are a plenty of textexpander programs for Mac OS X, but I wasn't able to find a good textexpander program for debian..Can anyone share some of them??? |
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| 05:36.18 | miksuh | Hm weird, now the hotplugging started to work. I really don't know what I did :) |
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| 05:44.05 | miksuh | Maybe it was some driver problem don't know if it was problem with hardware, drivers or something else. but anyway atlöeast now hotplugging seems to work |
| 05:44.23 | miksuh | atleast |
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| 05:55.45 | nirazio | I want to install Gujarat Fonts - INDIC.From where shell I get the concerned font file to install? |
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| 06:08.56 | funyun | hi. how do i start a service in debian? |
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| 06:12.27 | nirazio | I want to install Gujarat Fonts - INDIC.From where shell I get the concerned font file to install? |
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| 06:22.26 | blast_hardcheese | Newbie question; Am I supposed to remove "*** Please type your report below this line ***" from bugreport's message, or will bugreport do that for me? |
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| 06:35.09 | dondelelcaro | blast_hardcheese: reportbug will do that for you |
| 06:35.30 | dondelelcaro | (or it leaves it in; doesn't really matter.) |
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| 06:40.20 | laurus | Can anyone recommend a nice Helvetica-like font for web design that comes with Debian? |
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| 07:13.53 | macrobat | nirazio: ttf-gujarati-fonts ? |
| 07:14.03 | macrobat | ,versions ttf-gujarati-fonts |
| 07:14.06 | judd | Package ttf-gujarati-fonts on i386 -- etch: 1:0.4.7.4; etch-backports: 1:0.5.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:0.5.4; sid: 1:0.5.11; squeeze: 1:0.5.11 |
| 07:14.23 | nirazio | thank you |
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| 07:19.16 | minsa | a friend of mine once told me debian unstable is better than redhat stable. I wonder whether that still holds true. |
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| 07:19.55 | minsa | actually he said "debian unstable is more stable than redhat stable." |
| 07:22.01 | macrobat | define "stable" :D |
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| 07:24.57 | gnarface | hey people |
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| 07:25.27 | gnarface | remember when redhat 5.2's install disk said your swap should be the same as the amount of ram you have or 128MB, whichever is lower? |
| 07:25.42 | gnarface | how much swap should i have in debian if i have 2GB of ram? |
| 07:25.44 | gnarface | 128MB? |
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| 07:26.33 | bocaneri | Canon in days gone by had it that your swap should be twice your RAM. |
| 07:26.45 | gnarface | so 4GB? |
| 07:26.59 | gnarface | seems fair... should i put more? |
| 07:28.07 | bocaneri | I wouldn't. |
| 07:28.17 | gnarface | think 1GB is too little? |
| 07:28.33 | efazati | how i can remove last apt-get command? (my last command was cropped ) |
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| 07:30.11 | gnarface | what do you mean remove the last apt command? |
| 07:30.15 | gnarface | you mean remove the package? |
| 07:33.43 | efazati | gnarface, i want revert dpkg setting |
| 07:34.12 | gnarface | i don't know then efazati |
| 07:34.22 | efazati | i was install one pakage and middle of installation my system restart |
| 07:34.40 | gnarface | well what package was it? |
| 07:34.49 | efazati | gnarface, now i want install pakage i cant install any things |
| 07:34.56 | efazati | bluefish |
| 07:35.46 | gnarface | sounds messy |
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| 07:37.53 | efazati | now i want install any things |
| 07:37.56 | efazati | dpkg: warning: files list file for package `bluefish-data' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 07:37.57 | dpkg | efazati: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 07:37.59 | efazati | (Reading database ... 221470 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 07:38.01 | efazati | Preparing to replace bluefish-data 2.0.1-1 (using .../bluefish-data_2.0.1-1_all.deb) ... |
| 07:38.03 | efazati | Unpacking replacement bluefish-data ... |
| 07:38.05 | efazati | said this |
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| 07:38.32 | gnarface | that sounds like it is fixing itself |
| 07:38.51 | gnarface | why don't you put the whole output including the command you typed into pastebin |
| 07:40.21 | efazati | gnarface, its not fixed ... its hanged :D |
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| 07:44.14 | gnarface | efazati: i suggest that you actually read that output |
| 07:44.22 | gnarface | also i suggest you not randomly delete important directories |
| 07:44.40 | gnarface | this isn't windows, you don't fix things by amputating |
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| 07:48.39 | efazati | gnarface, what i can do? |
| 07:50.27 | gnarface | efazati: what you SHOULD have done was run dpkg -configure -a like it said |
| 07:50.45 | efazati | gnarface, i did :( |
| 07:51.03 | gnarface | efazati: what i saw you do was delete your dpkg lock directory |
| 07:51.31 | gnarface | efazati: are you even running the commands as root? |
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| 07:57.36 | n-iCe | anyone in here with access to debian.com? |
| 07:57.37 | n-iCe | You don't have permission to access /cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso on this server. |
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| 08:13.04 | macrobat | gnarface: use a swap partition if you want to suspend/hibernate. you can run swapless or make a swapfile. |
| 08:13.11 | gnarface | so what's the best way to expand my swap with a file intead of a partition? |
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| 08:14.18 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: create a file, run mkswapfs, then swapon it, then add the file to /etc/fstab in the proper order |
| 08:14.28 | gnarface | that's all? |
| 08:14.32 | gnarface | interesting |
| 08:14.43 | gnarface | will programs that are already running currently be able to recognize it? |
| 08:14.43 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: after all, this is unix. Everything is a file is a file is a file. |
| 08:14.54 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: has nothing to do with programs. Swap is handled by the kernel. |
| 08:15.09 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.13 | macrobat | and swapon |
| 08:15.31 | gnarface | ok |
| 08:15.33 | gnarface | thanks guys |
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| 08:18.47 | gnarface | so what's the deal with page sizes? |
| 08:19.26 | gnarface | is it best if my swaps are all even multiples of my architecture's page size or something like that? |
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| 08:20.21 | Guest36647 | hello |
| 08:20.39 | Guest36647 | I have decided to put Linux on my desktop |
| 08:20.47 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: doesn't matter |
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| 08:24.41 | gnarface | thanks guys |
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| 08:33.09 | hacker_kid | perhaps im just forgetting something but im using an old box as a router with iptables, im forwarding port 80 to an internal webserver and it works except that hosts on the local network cant access the webserver by the external ip |
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| 08:48.00 | entel | the openssh-server package in the stable repo sets 'UsePAM' to 'yes' in sshd_config; i understand this is not default in sshd; can anyone explain to me the pros/cons of this? |
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| 08:50.37 | win7suxast | have you read sshd_config manpage? |
| 08:50.42 | elik | I got a bit of a situation here... Right now, I have debian, windows 7 and windows xp installed on the same computer. Grub boots either linux or windows 7, which itself in turn allows me to select either windows 7 or older oses (windows xp) |
| 08:50.49 | elik | I want to get rid of windows xp |
| 08:51.11 | entel | win7suxast: yes. |
| 08:51.25 | elik | As of right now, sda1 is xp, sda2 is 7 and sda3 is debian |
| 08:51.40 | elik | I want to get rid of sda1, expand sda2 to take its space |
| 08:51.56 | elik | but I'm a bit confused about the whole boot process, and what resides where |
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| 08:52.23 | win7suxast | entel: having yes as a default would assume pam was present, i'm not sure if that would be a good assumption for openssh |
| 08:52.35 | elik | Where does grub reside? at the head of sda or sda1? |
| 08:52.49 | ali3n0 | elik, usually on the MBR |
| 08:53.00 | win7suxast | well, part of it's in the MBR... |
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| 08:53.14 | elik | ali3n0: right, and that's before sda1 right? |
| 08:53.20 | ali3n0 | i.e. the first sector of sda |
| 08:53.26 | elik | cool |
| 08:53.39 | elik | so messing around with sda1/sda2 should not be an issue here |
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| 08:53.51 | ali3n0 | you really have to do a backup first |
| 08:53.53 | entel | win7suxast: using PAM is a good idea it seems like.. i dont know much about it though so i cant really make a good decision here |
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| 08:54.30 | elik | ali3n0: took care of that. Messing around with partitions always makes it a must |
| 08:55.05 | win7suxast | elik: well, no, its still an issue |
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| 08:55.46 | ali3n0 | elik, ok. so you want to grow sda2 into sda1. I guess the best way to do this is to dd sda2 somewhere (usb drive),, remove sda2, and then dd from the usb drive to sda1 |
| 08:56.21 | ali3n0 | before the last dd you have to grow sda1 too |
| 08:56.41 | elik | ali3n0: I'll be using gparted. Served me well in the past |
| 08:56.43 | win7suxast | if sda2 < sda1, he can skip the usbdrive bit |
| 08:56.56 | ali3n0 | win7suxast, yep right |
| 08:57.01 | win7suxast | but since everyone should be using LVM this is all moot! |
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| 08:57.06 | ali3n0 | :) |
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| 08:57.15 | elik | win7suxast: yeah well, my NAS has lvm |
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| 08:57.32 | elik | win7suxast: and last time I checked, windows didn't like lvm so much :S |
| 08:57.40 | elik | win7suxast: so, erm, what is still an issue? |
| 08:57.55 | win7suxast | so your soltion was to stop using LVM? i'd have done the other option ;) |
| 08:57.56 | ali3n0 | elik, you will have to reconfig grub |
| 08:58.10 | ethanol | win7 > win7suxast |
| 08:58.42 | elik | ali3n0: right, so that this win7 boot option now points to (hd0,0) rather than (hd0,1) |
| 08:58.48 | elik | ethanol: that's pointless |
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| 08:59.03 | elik | win7suxast: different computers have different purpose |
| 08:59.17 | elik | win7suxast: I use what is appropriate depending on the needs :) |
| 08:59.19 | ethanol | elik: so is having a opiniated nickname |
| 08:59.23 | ali3n0 | elik, yes you have to tell grub where's the new partition containing win |
| 08:59.29 | elik | win7suxast: that happens to be my gaming computer |
| 08:59.46 | elik | ethanol: I have to agree with that |
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| 09:00.43 | win7suxast | i can pick whatever-the-fuck nickname i want. my choices of nickname will always be based on my opinion, in this case its a reflection that i'm currently using win7 |
| 09:01.40 | elik | win7suxast: as I said, my NAS uses lvm, but it gets me a bit scared as it's a live system and I'm not exactly sure how best to manipulate the partitions |
| 09:01.50 | elik | but that's another issue for another time |
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| 09:04.05 | win7suxast | does the squeeze inst default to LVM? a few distros seem to be defaulting to LVM |
| 09:04.40 | win7suxast | remember that only stage 1 of grub is in the MBR, the rest is else where....so you can quite easily break grub without touching the MBR |
| 09:05.52 | elik | win7suxast: which partition would those other parts be? my debian root partition? |
| 09:06.05 | nsadmin | no, I don't think so, doesn't default to lvm |
| 09:06.13 | Arrowmaster | i thought it did |
| 09:06.24 | elik | win7suxast: it would be in /boot, right? |
| 09:06.28 | Arrowmaster | depending on which layout option you picked |
| 09:06.29 | ali3n0 | last time I installed squeeze it didn't |
| 09:06.52 | Arrowmaster | maybe im just thinking that because ive always used expert install |
| 09:07.14 | ali3n0 | use to default to LVM though |
| 09:07.23 | win7suxast | elik: im not sure, there's a stage 2 and possibly stage 1.5, and things are different if you're using grub1 vs grub2, |
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| 09:08.18 | nsadmin | in order to get lvm you have to make the pv partitions, write them to disk, then set up lvm (unless they changed the order) |
| 09:08.20 | ethanol | win7suxast: cranky much? |
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| 09:09.00 | win7suxast | ethanol: yes, atm, this computer is unfriendly :( |
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| 09:09.12 | ethanol | win7suxast: most likely the error is in your chair |
| 09:09.14 | ethanol | :( |
| 09:09.33 | nsadmin | chaeroor? |
| 09:09.37 | win7suxast | i had great fun learning i couldn't install unsigned drivers |
| 09:09.58 | win7suxast | until i did some command line magic and pushed some magic keys and rebooted |
| 09:10.12 | nsadmin | oh, are we still talking about win? |
| 09:10.18 | elik | win7suxast: this magic is called rooting your machine :D |
| 09:10.34 | ethanol | win7suxast: not sure why you took such a detour. but if it works, it works :) - so what is the issue then? |
| 09:12.35 | win7suxast | ethanol: http://www.freeotfe.org/docs/Main/impact_of_kernel_driver_signing.htm :( |
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| 09:15.52 | nsadmin | ahh, so there are no remaining problems I guess... since you're not explaining them |
| 09:17.40 | win7suxast | not from me, my debian hosts are running quite happily :) |
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| 09:23.00 | Chris___ | what repo do I need to install nvidia-glx ? |
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| 09:27.24 | elik | Chris___: it's on the official mirror, but it must be in non-free |
| 09:27.50 | simonrvn | it is |
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| 09:27.54 | Chris___ | elik: I'll paste you my sources.list, I can't find it :/ |
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| 09:28.02 | simplechat | Hey guys, is there any way to only allow a user to sudo -u to a second user? |
| 09:28.30 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 09:28.30 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:28.33 | Chris___ | elik: http://pastie.org/1408149 |
| 09:28.37 | simonrvn | Chris___: ^^^ |
| 09:28.54 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: yes. man 5 sudoers; for details. |
| 09:28.59 | Chris___ | simonrvn: I have non-free enabled in my sources.list, but I still can't find it |
| 09:29.08 | simonrvn | did you update? |
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| 09:29.12 | Chris___ | yes |
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| 09:29.27 | Chris___ | fresh install of the latest squeeze beta iso |
| 09:29.28 | simonrvn | are you running testing? |
| 09:29.36 | simplechat | dondelelcaro, is there anywhere specific i should look at? |
| 09:29.40 | simonrvn | i bet... |
| 09:29.53 | simonrvn | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 09:29.53 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 09:30.25 | simonrvn | Chris___: ^^ check there |
| 09:30.59 | elik | simonrvn: although it is listed in packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-glx |
| 09:31.09 | simonrvn | mk |
| 09:31.20 | Chris___ | simonrvn: that link doesn't provide me any info :( |
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| 09:31.25 | Chris___ | not that I see anyway |
| 09:31.33 | Chris___ | I just need to get out of 800x600 |
| 09:32.03 | Chris___ | and I'd hate to mutilate my computer with ubuntu just because it has video support |
| 09:32.16 | Chris___ | but I can't get my NVIDIA driver working w/o that package apparently |
| 09:32.17 | simonrvn | switch mirror maybe |
| 09:32.30 | simplechat | dondelelcaro, i can find By default, commands are run as root, but this can be changed on a per-command basis." however i can't seem to find where to actually specify it |
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| 09:34.08 | xingu | Chris___: I'd simple-backport the release from experimental if I were you. |
| 09:34.27 | Chris___ | xingu: point me in the direction of how to do that? |
| 09:34.32 | xingu | Chris___: depending on which gpu you have that is |
| 09:34.43 | Chris___ | NVIDIA GeForce 210 |
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| 09:34.57 | MJBrune | has anyone set up a development environment using debian and either vb.net or java micro edition or has decent compatable replacements for them? |
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| 09:35.39 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: the whole thing is worth reading, but you want to read the User Specification section, followed by the following sections. The EXAMPLES section will also help you |
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| 09:36.06 | Christiannn | iam gettins this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 09:36.07 | Christiannn | ? |
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| 09:37.06 | simplechat | dondelelcaro, i've read it, i'm just having trouble making sense of some of it |
| 09:37.11 | simplechat | especailly as it doesn't seem to work on my end |
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| 09:37.35 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: then show us the line that you have, and we'll correct it |
| 09:38.01 | simplechat | user ALL=(storage) /bin/ls |
| 09:38.08 | simplechat | runing as user, when i go sudo -u storage /bin/ls |
| 09:38.33 | simplechat | wait, i know what i've done, i've forgot the NOPASSWD specifier, but i'm not sure where i should put it in that line |
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| 09:39.13 | xingu | Chris___: definitely then; it's been a long time since I built from the source tarfiles, just checking that what I know is even vaguely relevant these days |
| 09:39.15 | win7suxast | been using visudo too i hope? :) |
| 09:39.34 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: Cmnd_Spec ::= Runas_Spec? Tag_Spec* Cmnd |
| 09:39.35 | simplechat | ok, disreguard, i'm just an idiot who wouldn't read bcnf |
| 09:39.39 | Chris___ | xingu: I'm just desperate to get out of 800x600 :( |
| 09:40.05 | simplechat | donatilo, so user ALL=(storage) NOPASSWD: /bin/ls is the correct way to do this? |
| 09:40.09 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: right |
| 09:40.12 | simplechat | thanks |
| 09:40.19 | xingu | Chris___: ok grab the .dsc, tar.gz, and debian.tar.gz from the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 09:41.05 | xingu | Chris___: then evidently use dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_260.19.21-1.dsc |
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| 09:42.23 | xingu | Chris___: cd in to the nvidia-graphics-drivers-260.19.21 dir that hopefully will result (not sure exactly what it'll be called, might be some - vs _ going on, and maybe an extra version suffix like -1) |
| 09:42.35 | xingu | Chris___: finally, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 09:43.35 | xingu | Chris___: all this assumes that you already have a complete debian build environment (c compiler, yadda); you might need to install the build-dep's first. |
| 09:43.49 | win7suxast | hmm, would the !ssb also work? |
| 09:44.14 | xingu | probably |
| 09:45.15 | xingu | it's pretty dangerous to go slipping experimental into sources.list though, that puts you two beers and an unanticipated phonecall at the wrong moment away from serious horkage. |
| 09:45.32 | win7suxast | ahh. |
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| 09:46.16 | xingu | if you're going to mess with experimental backports at all it's a good idea to want to know how the moving parts all fit together - in my view |
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| 09:47.28 | xingu | I've been rolling my own glx for the thick end of the last decade, I switched to just using svn when the build env got cleaned up in the post-195 (256.xx branch) timeframe |
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| 09:49.42 | xingu | there's been that many bugs in the blob-glx/aiglx vs freedesktop vs xorg vs extmod vs COMPOSITE over the years... |
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| 09:50.27 | JyZyXEL | fuck, i forgot to give resize2fs the -P option so it prints out the progress |
| 09:50.40 | fi9o | :P |
| 09:50.46 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there is anything i can do |
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| 09:52.13 | win7suxast | are you growing? |
| 09:52.20 | JyZyXEL | shrinking |
| 09:52.28 | win7suxast | ahh :< |
| 09:52.47 | JyZyXEL | its been at it an hour already and itd be nice to know how long is this gonna take |
| 09:52.50 | win7suxast | random note, i noticed vxfs can be shrunk online, which is the first FS i've encounted that can do that |
| 09:53.06 | dondon | hi. i just installed debian. it will shutdown but it hangs trying to reboot. it gets to "will restart now\ restarting" but then doesnt. any ideas? |
| 09:53.28 | JyZyXEL | someone know a trick to get the progress? |
| 09:53.38 | JyZyXEL | maybe it takes USR1 like dd |
| 09:53.50 | nsadmin | I don't think you can shrink while the fs is live/mounted |
| 09:54.06 | JyZyXEL | thats why its not mounted obviously |
| 09:54.19 | JyZyXEL | maybe i can somehow see what blocks the process is accessing |
| 09:54.23 | JyZyXEL | and determine from that where its at |
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| 09:55.33 | win7suxast | i'd probably just leave that process alone :P |
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| 09:55.40 | JyZyXEL | taht way i won't know how long its gonna take |
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| 09:57.46 | JyZyXEL | 'iostat' allows to see the last written and read block |
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| 10:00.53 | Multiply | rsync -avq --exclude='images' --exclude='images/*' '/from/some/dir/' '/to/some/dir' <- This excludes kinda as I want it to, but it also excludes files within subdirectories that are not a descendant of '/from/some/dir/images/', but of '/from/some/dir/backup/2010/11/images/ - How do I avoid this? |
| 10:01.18 | JyZyXEL | they really should have added the USR1 trick that dd has |
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| 10:06.58 | xingu | sending signals to something that's got a mounted block device open for raw inode fiddling scares the living daylights out of me. :) |
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| 10:08.07 | JyZyXEL | hows so? |
| 10:08.22 | xingu | but then again I'm old enough to remember various bugs in lazy push/pop of register context seriously messing with reality |
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| 10:09.30 | JyZyXEL | i think its a great idea |
| 10:09.38 | JyZyXEL | just like it is with dd |
| 10:10.22 | Jordan_U | xingu: Signals will be sent to the process at one point or another. I'd much rather it be a feature as then it's more likley the signal handling will get more love. Then again I expect that a project like dd is going to take proper signal handling seriously either way. |
| 10:10.43 | xingu | Jordan_U: the bugs weren't in the user code |
| 10:10.51 | xingu | the calling chain is probably still approximately like so |
| 10:10.52 | xingu | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3985?page=0,1 |
| 10:11.34 | xingu | p5-era cpu's took forever to store the fpu register file; so someone added a handy optimasation that tracked how dirty the register file was, and selectively didn't push parts of it |
| 10:11.51 | xingu | which lead to all sorts of hilarity when user code started actually using glibc's sse/mmx interfaces |
| 10:11.53 | xingu | and other things. |
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| 10:12.47 | Christiannn | hello iam getting this adnsparse/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 10:13.38 | xingu | signals are really, really tough to get right. :) |
| 10:14.27 | win7suxast | my programs always handle -9 correctly :) |
| 10:14.40 | xingu | well, you hope they do. :) |
| 10:16.29 | JyZyXEL | how about the PWR_BTN |
| 10:16.51 | xingu | it's a variation on the hackneyed old philosophy question; if a diddled data block is faithfully preserved, and nobody is there to hear the user scream, has corruption occurred? |
| 10:17.18 | JyZyXEL | btrfs will answer these questions |
| 10:17.48 | dondon | dondon: hi. i just installed debian. it will shutdown but it hangs trying to reboot. it gets to "will restart now\ restarting" but then doesnt. any ideas? |
| 10:18.06 | dondon | i figured it out. add reboot=bios to boot parameters |
| 10:18.19 | dondon | if anyone else ever asks |
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| 10:21.09 | alsd | hi there |
| 10:21.27 | dondon | it's in reboot.c |
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| 11:29.41 | Gnudoll | can someone tell me what command to use to change the number of mounts before fsck is forced? (on /dev/sda) |
| 11:29.51 | debianull | Hi, I have a curiosity question. I did an install of debian squeeze and I see iceweasel instead of firefox. Why? |
| 11:29.57 | Gnudoll | hdparm did not do it |
| 11:31.19 | Gnudoll | debianull: because the logo and name for firefox has a cpoyright issue (not free) |
| 11:31.19 | Gnudoll | iceweasel is the saqme code, but without the logo |
| 11:31.39 | Gnudoll | from what I heard. . . |
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| 11:32.44 | debianull | But firefox is still being advertised as being free and open source/ |
| 11:32.52 | Arrowmaster | Gnudoll: tune2fs i believe |
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| 11:33.10 | Gnudoll | thanks Arrowmaster |
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| 11:33.33 | Gnudoll | debianull: Yes, and it is. . .All except the logo. . . |
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| 11:33.44 | Gnudoll | which is copyrighted. . . |
| 11:33.46 | debianull | Gnudoll, I see, thanks for clearing that up for me. |
| 11:34.19 | Arrowmaster | debianull: mozilla complained about debian and other distros offering old versions with security patches applied, mozilla prefers that people just run the latest release version |
| 11:34.24 | Gnudoll | that is all "as i understand it" |
| 11:36.39 | debianull | Arrowmaster, I see...well they complain but that's their problem...I(a beginner user) love debian philosophy about keeping everything free software and dumping the proprietary things. |
| 11:36.56 | debianull | That's what got me into using it. |
| 11:37.38 | debianull | Arrowmaster, I didn't knew about the logo and name copyright issue. They should re-brand it them selfs |
| 11:39.16 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but i think they might have retracted the complaint, but i dont think the original name and logo would be used again in debian even with explicit permission from mozilla |
| 11:39.52 | Arrowmaster | i wonder |
| 11:39.58 | Arrowmaster | !why iceweasel |
| 11:39.58 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 11:41.48 | Gnudoll | Arrowmaster: that did it, thanks! |
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| 11:44.17 | ma_tex | hi |
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| 11:49.53 | sxp | hi, I'm using Debian Squeeze, I want to change the OS boot oder (Debian, Win) and I can't find the menu.lst file in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:50.04 | sxp | I don't remember where is now located that information. |
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| 11:51.09 | aguitel | sxp, use startupmanager for that (aptitude install startupmanager) |
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| 11:52.42 | sxp | aguitel, thanks for the advice, but if it is possible, I prefer to do this just editing the configuration file... I must download 133MB in order to install startupmanager... |
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| 11:53.08 | sxp | and I haven't enough HD space available |
| 11:53.21 | aguitel | sxp, squeeze use grub2 that is not with menu.list |
| 11:53.25 | itai_michaelson | hi, i'm planing to install debian on an old laptop, it has to have a gui and the interface must be in japanese (its for a japanese friend |
| 11:53.55 | itai_michaelson | how can i find out if there will be a japanese translation for XFCE ? |
| 11:54.07 | sxp | yes, I know. But I remember there a way to change the boot order changing a configuration file... |
| 11:54.23 | itai_michaelson | or LXDE... |
| 11:55.47 | aguitel | sxp, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 11:57.33 | cm9 | Hi there, is there an easy way to tell if I've got any non-us packages installed? I'm having trouble with that repository in my sources.list and would like to remove it if it's unnecessary. Any advice gratefully received! |
| 11:58.06 | qq- | !non-us |
| 11:58.06 | dpkg | Non-US is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org. http://wiki.debian.org/non-US |
| 11:58.32 | cm9 | Aha, so I can safely remove it and it will all be fine. |
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| 12:01.31 | voltagex | hi guys, I'm trying to get an SSH forward going from my config, but LocalForward 8080:10.1.1.14:80 is causing a "missing target argument" from ssh |
| 12:01.34 | cm9 | Thanks for the help |
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| 12:04.37 | valdyn | voltagex: read the manpage |
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| 12:06.54 | voltagex | valdyn: In that case, I must've misread it the first time. |
| 12:08.02 | voltagex | yes, a space. |
| 12:08.20 | valdyn | !win voltagex |
| 12:08.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, voltagex! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 12:10.49 | SSL` | !win SSL` |
| 12:10.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, SSL`! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
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| 12:11.41 | kwork | !win |
| 12:11.47 | kwork | !win kwork |
| 12:11.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, kwork! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 12:12.09 | sekon | !win sekon |
| 12:12.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, sekon! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:12.24 | sekon | :) |
| 12:12.43 | kwork | i hope he runs out of tickets to badhdad soon |
| 12:12.49 | debianull | Hahahhaha |
| 12:12.58 | debianull | This win thing is so funny. |
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| 12:17.02 | ethanol | yes, hilarious |
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| 12:21.03 | archiepug | is there a way to find out, via hdparm, the age of a disk - or if it's been used before? |
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| 12:26.18 | xingu | archiepug: load unload count |
| 12:26.29 | xingu | archiepug: clicks up every time you tell the heads to park |
| 12:26.31 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 12:26.49 | Agiofws | any experienced users in here ? |
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| 12:27.13 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:27.31 | Agiofws | anyone using debian squeeze in here ? |
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| 12:28.52 | OpenTokix | Agiofws: yes and yes |
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| 12:29.27 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:29.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:29.36 | Agiofws | OpenTokix, i have a real problem with udev in squeeze |
| 12:30.06 | OpenTokix | Agiofws: explain |
| 12:30.47 | Agiofws | since upgrading udev is totally incompatible and is giving me messages thousands in boot up stalling my boot up until log in |
| 12:31.09 | OpenTokix | oh |
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| 12:32.16 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/129734 |
| 12:32.47 | OpenTokix | Agiofws: ok, I just did a search and replace |
| 12:32.49 | jelly | Agiofws: you may ignore those messages. |
| 12:32.52 | OpenTokix | on my machine at home |
| 12:33.05 | OpenTokix | found that solution on internet somewhere |
| 12:33.24 | Agiofws | OpenTokix, jelly i may ignore them BUT its slowing DOWN boot up .... |
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| 12:34.28 | Agiofws | like its searching for some compatible line IN all the udev files till it goes on to the following boot up process |
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| 12:34.41 | Agiofws | how did you fix it ? |
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| 12:35.32 | jelly | Agiofws: hmm, as far as I can tell, it could only significanly slow down the boot process if your console driver was slow and the scrolling was what did the slowdown |
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| 12:35.57 | jelly | I pretty much ignore it on my two squeeze desktop systems. |
| 12:36.01 | craigmarshall9 | Is php4-mysql no longer available in debian? Is there an easy upgrade path, or should I just bite the bullet, install apache2, php5, etc. and make it all work manually? |
| 12:36.31 | craigmarshall9 | (I was running a fairly neglected environment for too long) |
| 12:36.42 | Agiofws | it looks at all the udev files while on boot up till it goes on to the next boot up process it slows down boot up |
| 12:36.52 | Agiofws | http://devplant.net/2010/03/26/linux-upgrading-debian-lenny-to-testing-halts-on-udev-package can you guys look here |
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| 12:38.34 | jelly | Agiofws: that's not necessarily relevant. Are you booting a kernel equal or newer than 2.6.27? |
| 12:39.26 | Agiofws | i am booting with a vanilla kernel but also with a debian kernel getting the same result |
| 12:39.41 | jelly | Agiofws: uname -r? |
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| 12:40.02 | Agiofws | Linux ixus 2.6.31.6 #6 SMP Mon Dec 20 02:25:30 EET 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:40.36 | Agiofws | i don't think its irrelevant because i get thousands of these messages |
| 12:40.45 | jelly | do I dare ask why you're using 2.6.31.6 when the distro has 2.6.32 |
| 12:40.51 | Agiofws | udevd : SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device |
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| 12:41.29 | craigmarshall9 | Hi, when I install apache2, the /etc/apache2 directory stays mostly empty. Have I broken it? |
| 12:41.30 | Agiofws | i did not know that it required x> 2.6.31 does it ? |
| 12:41.33 | Holden | archiepug, you can see how many hours it has been on (and other things) with smartctl |
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| 12:41.59 | jelly | Agiofws: the main issue of that web page is the discrepancy between lenny kernel and squeeze udev. Your udevd warnings at boot time are secondary to that, and pretty much just cosmetic. |
| 12:42.19 | jelly | Agiofws: if you want to speed up the boot process, try disabling the framebuffer console |
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| 12:42.53 | jelly | this will make the messages scroll much faster ;-) |
| 12:42.59 | Agiofws | its not the frame buffer its the machine stalling on something wrong in udev |
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| 12:43.24 | Agiofws | not SUCH a slow machine ; dual core 2.2Ghz |
| 12:43.24 | jelly | Agiofws: those messages you quote aren't indicative of that symptom. |
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| 12:43.52 | Agiofws | it goes through all the udev files |
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| 12:44.21 | Agiofws | messages also come up with distros kernel |
| 12:44.23 | Agiofws | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sda5 ro vga=791 |
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| 12:45.07 | Agiofws | discrepancy between lenny kernel and squeeze udev : discrepancy ? |
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| 12:45.17 | Drmabuse | hello |
| 12:45.18 | jelly | Agiofws: indeed. Now instead of vga=791, use boot params appropriate for a disabled framebuffer, and see if there's a difference |
| 12:45.24 | jelly | !nofb |
| 12:45.24 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
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| 12:46.21 | craigmarshall9 | Is there a way to fully remove a package (I've tried apt-get --purge remove apache2), because It seems to not be installing correctly. /etc/apache2 isn't being made, for example. |
| 12:46.23 | Agiofws | i'd like to see BOOT up messages at boot time not disabling them jelly |
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| 12:47.08 | Agiofws | can you suggest anything robust to solve this problem and what IS to blame for it ? |
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| 12:47.52 | jelly | I already suggested an approach based on my experience with squeeze. |
| 12:48.40 | Agiofws | ok i'll try but i'll try to really solve it |
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| 12:51.18 | gintek | hi folks, are anyone of you had problem with TLS & apache 2.2.9-10+lenny8 ? |
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| 12:54.50 | craigmarshall9 | I am still trying to purge then reinstall apache2, but no apache2 directory appears in /etc ... Any ideas anyone, please? |
| 12:55.03 | jelly | dpkg, tell craigmarshall9 about confmiss |
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| 12:55.19 | gordonjcp | afternoon |
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| 12:55.38 | craigmarshall9 | jelly: Thanks, that looks like what I needed. |
| 12:55.48 | jelly | craigmarshall9: apply the confmiss procedure on apache2.2-common package. |
| 12:55.57 | jelly | craigmarshall9: why that one? dpkg -S /etc/apache2 |
| 12:55.58 | craigmarshall9 | jelly: Thanks - will do. |
| 12:56.04 | gordonjcp | I'm not sure I entirely understand the documentation for apt-cache search - it returns everything that includes the search term as a substring |
| 12:56.18 | gordonjcp | how can I get it to return a saner list of packages? |
| 12:56.28 | gordonjcp | "apt-cache search trac" returns around 1400 packages... |
| 12:56.33 | craigmarshall9 | jelly: Not sure what your latest comment means? |
| 12:56.40 | jelly | gordonjcp: aptitude has a more complex and more powerful search syntax |
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| 12:57.04 | gordonjcp | jelly: I don't like aptitude, it keeps throwing up a broken curses GUI thing |
| 12:57.08 | jelly | gordonjcp: if you're looking for trac, you might start by appending "| grep trac " to the command line |
| 12:57.16 | jelly | gordonjcp: aptitude has a CLI. |
| 12:57.30 | gordonjcp | jelly: apparently so |
| 12:57.44 | gordonjcp | and yes, I was piping it through grep, but that seemed inelegant |
| 12:57.45 | craigmarshall9 | gordonjcp: Another option if you want things that start with trac is to append "| grep ^trac" |
| 12:57.47 | notbobby | gordonjcp you can use regex with apt-cache search to get only the exact word to match. |
| 12:58.12 | gordonjcp | notbobby: hm, okay, I'll give that a go |
| 12:58.13 | jelly | craigmarshall9: if you want to restore /etc/apache2, you might want to ask the packaging system database which package was "/etc/apache2" part of in the first place |
| 12:58.42 | gordonjcp | notbobby: that's much better, I didn't realise it took regexes directly |
| 12:58.43 | craigmarshall9 | jelly: okay, I think I understand. I have enough to go on now anyway. Thanks again. |
| 12:58.47 | gordonjcp | thanks for all the help |
| 12:59.00 | Agiofws | jelly, could the problem be the nohotplug boot option ? |
| 12:59.49 | Agiofws | /boot/bzImage root=/dev/sda5 vga=791 ro selinux=0 nohotplug ? |
| 13:00.19 | gordonjcp | hm, turns out I need to install it from scratch anyway |
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| 13:02.54 | lamah | what is a commnad to dpkg for release date of squeeze |
| 13:03.00 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 13:03.00 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
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| 13:03.57 | jelly | lamah: also, /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 13:04.01 | lamah | now it's a christmas 2010 |
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| 13:04.39 | jelly | Agiofws: I have no idea what "nohotplug" does, can't comment on that |
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| 13:11.14 | DotHack | no debian squeeze release christmas present :( |
| 13:13.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | will be ready for Christmas 2011, then |
| 13:13.52 | ethanol | wwsr. when will squeeze release? |
| 13:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | rite |
| 13:14.01 | ethanol | lal |
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| 13:16.29 | Nepherius | I'm trying to install something and I get No package 'pygtk-2.0' found but I have python-gtk2 is already the newest version. So what am I missing ?:) |
| 13:16.46 | Nepherius | are those not the same thing ? |
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| 13:19.43 | JyZyXEL | has squeeze released yet? |
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| 13:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | again! |
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| 13:38.20 | sts | hello folks. is there any documentation about the debian build infrastructure? |
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| 13:41.41 | jelly | JyZyXEL: rest assured the topic will clearly say so when it gets released |
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| 13:42.48 | sts | anybody? |
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| 13:44.06 | jelly | !tell sts about buildd |
| 13:46.19 | jelly | sts: apologies, I have no idea if any information linked therein is actually useful |
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| 13:48.29 | obeattie | Hey, having a spot of bother, wondering if anyone can help me -- I need to go through a HTTP proxy for only some of my apt sources, not all of them (need to access an internal repository which does not require the proxy in addition to the debian ones which do [machine doesn't have direct access to the internet]) Is this possible? |
| 13:48.43 | Nepherius | anyone here using gcdemu ? |
| 13:49.12 | sts | jelly: thank you this looks quite useful for the beginning. I'm just tryting to figure out on how to be build packages which are only needed for my own company. |
| 13:49.55 | sts | so internal packages, but it should still be under revision control and reproduceable. :) |
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| 13:51.45 | noshadow | obeattie: you can specify proxy for some things, disable proxy for somethings, and have a proxy for all others. |
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| 13:51.50 | noshadow | sts: for internal packages buildd infrastructure is usually overkill. |
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| 13:52.17 | jelly | sts: yeah, after a point manual building is annoying and prone to mistakes |
| 13:52.34 | obeattie | noshadow: Brilliant, sounds just what I need. Any pointers to how? :) |
| 13:52.56 | noshadow | obeattie: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 13:53.10 | jelly | noshadow: if you have to support a range of arches and OS releases, it's a different story |
| 13:53.37 | jelly | we still have sarge machines in production |
| 13:53.39 | jelly | hides |
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| 13:54.43 | sts | noshadow: we still have etch systems running. and i need a current puppet version on these machines for example. |
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| 13:55.08 | noshadow | jelly: even there it depends on the package. if you need different source packages to target the different machines, things get ugly. but then buildd usually does not help that much, either. |
| 13:56.05 | jelly | yeah no, things can usually be hacked enough to be usable on older releases |
| 13:56.20 | noshadow | sts: ok, those are not really local packages, but rather local backports. |
| 13:56.25 | jelly | most of our packages are backports |
| 13:57.04 | sts | currently i have two small shell scripts which run cowbuilder. one to initiate different pbuilder environments and the other one which triggers git-buildpackage with the right options for each environment. |
| 13:57.09 | noshadow | sts: I guess in that case version control on the source package might not help that much but you rather want local package repositories with a way to get back... |
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| 13:57.35 | sts | this already seems to be pretty sufficient, but i still wondered how the debian project is doing such stuff |
| 13:58.00 | sts | and whether there are any other things i could adopt to our infrastructure. to make the packaging easier. :) |
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| 13:59.23 | noshadow | sts: solutions for a different problems often make things harder. Debian for example has no easy way to roll back if some package fails, as that is not a usefull step on a distribution-level. |
| 13:59.28 | sts | noshadow: well currently for puppet i keep a copy of the pkg-puppet git repo and have a private branch for each distribution. so i'm able to release new packages with the right control and changelog files. |
| 14:00.13 | guibou | hello. I'm trying to install debian on a computer, keeping my old data from ext2 harddrive. I had (in the live cd), converted the filesystem to ext4 such that now it mount as ext4. but the debian install still show it has ext3... and wants to format it as ext4 if I select ext4... What I have done wrong ? |
| 14:00.32 | sts | noshadow: what do you mean with roll back? rolling back the package on the destination system? |
| 14:01.10 | noshadow | sts: in your repository. |
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| 14:01.50 | sts | noshadow: oh rolling back to an older version of a package in the package repo? |
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| 14:03.23 | sts | noshadow: well, i'd just try to roll forward. same in the version control system. just fix the problem, by merging with an older revision, but still increasing the build version and then deploy it to the package repository. so i can avoid rolling back... |
| 14:03.30 | dadrian | hello, if i use something like: rsync / /mnt/backup , and then i try to boot up from the hardidisk that is mounted on /mnt/backup will it work ? |
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| 14:04.30 | noshadow | dadrian: not unless you are lucky and there is already a boot loader on the new harddisk that is compatible. |
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| 14:07.29 | dadrian | noshadow: how can i ensure that ? |
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| 14:08.17 | dadrian | noshadow: maybe use the cp /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 and then using rsync daily to keep them up2date ? |
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| 14:08.35 | noshadow | dadrian: the easiest way is to boot the machine with the new hard-disk ready from some rescue or chroot from some live system and then call grub-install (or whatever boot manager you use) |
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| 14:09.09 | obeattie | noshadow: Thanks a lot, works perfectly |
| 14:09.13 | noshadow | dadrian: the boot code will often not be in the partition but even earlier. |
| 14:09.43 | macrobat | guibou: how do you mean "(in the live cd), converted the filesystem to ext4"? |
| 14:10.05 | dadrian | noshadow: u are right, i meant cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 14:10.48 | dadrian | noshadow: then rsync the partitions to keep them updated |
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| 14:11.40 | noshadow | dadrian: with grub in the mbr (and some other contraints), that might work. in the worst case you still need to make it bootable with some rescue/life boot media, so there is not much lost... |
| 14:12.03 | guibou | macrobat: I had switched to a virtual terminal during the install process and set the command with tune2fs and fsck to convert my ext2 to ext4 |
| 14:12.12 | noshadow | of course assuming, everything has the same size and geometry. |
| 14:12.25 | macrobat | guibou: ok |
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| 14:14.03 | dadrian | noshadow: ok thx |
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| 14:15.31 | guibou | macrobat: I resolved it with a reboot... Perhaps the current installer does not update the partition map |
| 14:16.32 | macrobat | nice that it works anyway |
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| 14:44.26 | complete | Good morning from Germany! When I use vim locally, the terminal title is set to the name of the file im editing. When i do it in screen and hit CTRL+a" all windows are titled "bash". Is there a way to have the name of the file im editing in vim? |
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| 14:47.30 | phorce1 | so, when installing something that's just going to be symlinked to /usr/local/bin does one normally stick the whole package in /usr/local or in /opt? I need to run FF 3.6.x on Lenny to test some pages that aren't working in 3.5.x (highest IceWeasel version outside experimental) |
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| 14:48.40 | noshadow | complete: I guess you could change the screen terminal definition so that programs wanting to change the title will change the screen title. I guess this is usually not done so as such long things are usually not very usefull as screen title.s |
| 14:49.14 | complete | noshadow: well, i would love to try it |
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| 14:53.26 | noshadow | complete: alternatively you can also only tell vim to change the screen title. see http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Automatically_set_screen_title |
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| 14:56.01 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am a debian sid user (i need some wifi help) i wanted to know how and with what things can my 'system' be identified on wifi connection? [i am going to connect to a wifi network, wanted to know how can my system be identified, i know about host name and mac address, anythign else?] |
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| 14:57.07 | noshadow | khaleel5000: depends on what protocols you speak. Almost every protocol also enables to add additional identifiers. |
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| 14:57.35 | phorce1 | OK, looks like I have to use a native install of FF 3.6.x if I want to be able to manage my google apps domains |
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| 14:58.38 | complete | noshadow: strangely this works when not in screen. but in screen, all i see is "bash" |
| 14:58.44 | khaleel5000 | thing is my wifi guy told me he is banning linux machines(for soem reason i dont know) i cant get another wifi connection for next 2 days, i need to do some imp work, there are more than 1 linux users, so i wanted to know how how can he identify my system (i will use firefox, and download something, may be i need to use torrent to download a book) |
| 14:59.20 | ajikeshi | khaije|amalt, open ports |
| 14:59.41 | phorce1 | at least it picks up/uses my IceWesel profile so I didn't lose any settings when switching |
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| 15:00.01 | ajikeshi | and possibly by looking into the pakets |
| 15:00.02 | noshadow | khaleel5000: if all the linux users they have are not following rules and wanting to use torrents, I guess I know the "reason"... |
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| 15:01.50 | khaleel5000 | noshadow no our bandwidth is limited to 1mb, and you can do anythign you want with it.But now out of the blue he wants no linux (he switched his system from server 2003 to 7 or something, couldnt make the server work properly and blamed onl inux guys |
| 15:01.53 | khaleel5000 | no hackign or stuff was done |
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| 15:02.15 | khaleel5000 | i need a 2 books for finance, if i get them off rapidshe then cool else may need torrent |
| 15:02.18 | ethanol | khaleel5000: tell him he is a retard and should stfu |
| 15:03.11 | khaleel5000 | i cant i will switch to another one better deal and price, but for now i cant |
| 15:03.50 | noshadow | khaleel5000: sorry, if you tell us you want to do something illegal and are not fighting some evil dictatorship, please don't ask for help. |
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| 15:04.46 | khaleel5000 | noshadow we actually have a dictator ship here :) |
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| 15:06.13 | h3sp4wn | khaleel5000: You should use nmap on your own system (If you can trick nmap -A you will likely be ok) |
| 15:06.31 | noshadow | but if you can get another connection in a few days, it does not sound like some people here might be willing to go to jail for to fight against. |
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| 15:07.09 | frikinz | khaleel5000: do you get an ip? |
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| 15:13.21 | h3sp4wn | khaije|amalt: you want something like this - http://ippersonality.sourceforge.net but this looks like it has not been updated for a long time |
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| 15:19.37 | complete | When im in screen and hit CTRL+ac then in the new window im not in the same directory as in the one where i hit ctrl+ac. Is there a way to change this. |
| 15:20.39 | noshadow | complete: as windows do not have an directory, I doubt there is a way. There might be some clever hacks, but they would not be able to catch all cases. |
| 15:21.12 | ethanol | khaije|amalt: http://nmap.org/misc/defeat-nmap-osdetect.html |
| 15:21.16 | h3sp4wn | complete: It will always start with the directory you were in when it started screen |
| 15:22.13 | h3sp4wn | complete: You can change that but only indirectly |
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| 15:23.54 | fantasticulous | hi guys |
| 15:24.06 | fantasticulous | i have two network cards, one is a pci card, the other is an on-board atheros |
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| 15:24.36 | fantasticulous | they both work fine, and i want to connect another computer through the atheros card to the internet. the pci card goes into the router, and this computer has internet |
| 15:24.52 | fantasticulous | so it's lappy -> this comp -> router -> internets |
| 15:25.25 | fantasticulous | it's already cabled up |
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| 15:26.51 | GreenDance | Hi |
| 15:26.57 | fantasticulous | lspci shows 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet (rev b0) |
| 15:27.20 | GreenDance | is it possible to disable "unmount" on CD/DVD drives? |
| 15:27.45 | h3sp4wn | fantasticulous: You need a static route on the router |
| 15:28.07 | h3sp4wn | fantasticulous: then just enable ip forwarding |
| 15:28.09 | fantasticulous | ok but first i wonder why i can't see the atl1e driver in lsmod |
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| 15:28.22 | fantasticulous | i'll check for any static route config |
| 15:28.49 | h3sp4wn | (don't use nat you can but double nat breaks alot of things |
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| 15:29.21 | fantasticulous | ok i found some static route config page |
| 15:29.27 | h3sp4wn | fantasticulous: Or you can put both interfaces if you want into a brige |
| 15:29.30 | h3sp4wn | *bridge |
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| 15:29.40 | fantasticulous | this is a temporary setup i need to mention |
| 15:29.42 | fantasticulous | it's just a lapto |
| 15:29.43 | fantasticulous | p |
| 15:29.50 | noshadow | fantasticulous: I guess the first question is if you can give your internal machines an IP your router understands. depending on that you can have multiple solutions. |
| 15:30.06 | fantasticulous | ip's are 192.168.1.* |
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| 15:30.22 | fantasticulous | also, it wants -> destination, subnet mask, gateway, hop |
| 15:30.35 | fantasticulous | let's say i want the laptop to have 192.168.1.200 |
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| 15:32.16 | fantasticulous | oh the atl1e module is loaded aparently |
| 15:32.18 | fantasticulous | so it should work |
| 15:32.38 | fantasticulous | the green led is on at the laptop's network input |
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| 15:33.40 | fantasticulous | so i need to setup the laptop with some static settings? |
| 15:33.48 | fantasticulous | without dhcp? |
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| 15:35.18 | noshadow | fatasticulous: if your router has dhcp and gives multiple computers IPs and the only reason you are using the two cards of your computer is that you are missing some switch to plug them all in, then you could just make your computer a switch and change nothing else. |
| 15:35.38 | fantasticulous | yes i filled up all 4 holes on the router you figured it out :P |
| 15:35.43 | fantasticulous | and now i need a fifth |
| 15:35.57 | fantasticulous | and how does one do that? |
| 15:36.03 | h3sp4wn | Is there a debianized switch package ? |
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| 15:36.11 | noshadow | fantaticulous: then install bridge-utils and change /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:36.18 | fantasticulous | ok |
| 15:36.21 | h3sp4wn | thats a bridge not a switch |
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| 15:36.32 | jelly | h3sp4wn: are you looking for bridge-utils? |
| 15:36.45 | fantasticulous | so in /etc/network/interfaces i have eth1 configured which is the old connection |
| 15:36.51 | fantasticulous | so i guess i'll have to add eth0? |
| 15:37.11 | noshadow | fantasticulous: check with ifconfig -a what names you have. |
| 15:37.13 | h3sp4wn | jelly: I am looking for something like freeswitch |
| 15:37.22 | fantasticulous | ohhhh isee eth0 |
| 15:37.30 | fantasticulous | and eth1 and lo and vboxnet0 |
| 15:37.42 | fantasticulous | so eth1 is connected to the router |
| 15:37.51 | noshadow | fantisticulous: replace the ethX you have with br0 and add some special headers to get eth0 and eth1 added to that bridge. |
| 15:37.52 | fantasticulous | and eth0 doesn't have an inet addr |
| 15:37.55 | jelly | h3sp4wn: I have no idea what that is or what it does |
| 15:38.19 | fantasticulous | you mean in /etc/network/interfaces noshadow? |
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| 15:38.56 | jelly | h3sp4wn: Linux kernel has bridge functionality, the userspace config tools to manage it are in the aforementioned package |
| 15:39.02 | noshadow | fantasticulous: yes |
| 15:39.14 | justin | technically a bridge is a switch |
| 15:39.24 | fantasticulous | i don't know what either is :P |
| 15:39.29 | fantasticulous | ok so |
| 15:39.39 | noshadow | fantisticulous: I think you need something like bridge_ports eth0 eth1 added to that. |
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| 15:39.56 | noshadow | ('that' being the old eth1 rule that then is a br0 rule) |
| 15:39.59 | complete | noshadow, h3sp4wn: the gnome terminal manager starts new tabs in the directory of the current tab. so i would think screen could do that too. |
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| 15:40.28 | fantasticulous | let me show you my current interfaces |
| 15:40.43 | fantasticulous | http://frogmod.pastebin.com/5w1E0N0q |
| 15:41.03 | fantasticulous | i think i need to configure eth0 before anything |
| 15:41.22 | fantasticulous | http://frogmod.pastebin.com/wB5yQsfA |
| 15:41.44 | noshadow | fantasticulous: not for a bridge. Never tried with dhcp, but I guess it is there also to only change all eth1 to br0 and add a bridge_ports eth0 eth1 line to that |
| 15:42.10 | fantasticulous | but will my local connection work then? |
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| 15:42.30 | noshadow | fantasticulous: it should... |
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| 15:42.54 | fantasticulous | so you're saying i should replace iface eth1 inet dhcp with: |
| 15:42.59 | fantasticulous | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 15:43.04 | jelly | fantasticulous: correct |
| 15:43.06 | fantasticulous | and then add |
| 15:43.09 | noshadow | and the other line with eth1, too. |
| 15:43.15 | fantasticulous | brodge_ports eth0 eth1 |
| 15:43.15 | fantasticulous | that? |
| 15:43.19 | fantasticulous | what other line? |
| 15:43.26 | noshadow | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 15:43.33 | fantasticulous | allow-hotplug br0? |
| 15:43.34 | noshadow | but better make that "auto br0" |
| 15:43.38 | fantasticulous | pl |
| 15:43.40 | fantasticulous | ok* |
| 15:44.00 | noshadow | and then add the bridge_ports eth0 eth1 (ideally with some tab before) after the iface br0 ... |
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| 15:44.07 | fantasticulous | http://frogmod.pastebin.com/NUAxe9pd |
| 15:44.15 | fantasticulous | ok now i just ifdown eth1 ifup eth1? |
| 15:44.45 | jelly | fantasticulous: it's not eth1 any more, you'll be dealing with br0 from now on |
| 15:44.46 | noshadow | ifup br0, and the ifdown eth1 might have been needed before changing it... |
| 15:45.02 | fantasticulous | ok going to try |
| 15:45.11 | noshadow | fantasticulous: better use some spaces or a tab before bridge_ports, I do not know if they are needed there. |
| 15:45.29 | jelly | ifdown eth1 before saving changes to the file, save changes, ifup br0 |
| 15:45.51 | jelly | noshadow: they aren't |
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| 15:47.28 | jelly | indentation is just commonly used to denote lines belonging to a single iface stanza, but isn't relevant for the parser |
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| 15:50.41 | fantasticulous | ok it seems to have worked |
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| 15:50.52 | fantasticulous | but the lappy still has no internet |
| 15:50.57 | fantasticulous | i tried using network-manager |
| 15:51.08 | noshadow | fantasticulous: check if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:51.15 | noshadow | contains 1 and put a 1 in there if not. |
| 15:51.17 | fantasticulous | it gave me inet addr: 169.254.9.86 |
| 15:51.34 | fantasticulous | ok it was 0 |
| 15:51.57 | fantasticulous | now what? |
| 15:51.58 | jelly | noshadow: no ip_forward needed |
| 15:51.58 | noshadow | also check if brcntrl showmacs br0 if the mac of the router and of the laptop are visible |
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| 15:52.25 | justin | brctl |
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| 15:52.34 | noshadow | jelly: I think there was some kernelt were it was necessary. |
| 15:52.49 | noshadow | justing: indeed |
| 15:52.51 | fantasticulous | brctl |
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| 15:53.05 | justin | if you are using bridging then you don't need to enable ip forwarding |
| 15:53.12 | fantasticulous | it shows me about 6 lines |
| 15:53.34 | fantasticulous | the lappy mac is in that list |
| 15:53.40 | fantasticulous | it says 'is local' = 'no' |
| 15:53.53 | fantasticulous | and ageing timer is 276.78 |
| 15:54.00 | noshadow | fantasticulous: it should show you which devices it sees on which side. the Laptop is not within your computer, so it should be 'no'. |
| 15:54.12 | fantasticulous | yes now it dissapeared >_> |
| 15:54.50 | noshadow | aeh no, it does not say the side, it only says if it is there and if it is part of the bridge or in the outside... |
| 15:55.11 | justin | noshadow: the port tells you which side it is on |
| 15:55.18 | fantasticulous | ok it reappeared after i plugged the cable out and in |
| 15:55.41 | fantasticulous | o so now i suppose i have to configure the lappy's ip settings? |
| 15:55.46 | noshadow | justin: already in lenny's brctl? |
| 15:55.58 | justin | noshadow: yes |
| 15:56.12 | noshadow | fantasticulous: try to make it just get an address via dhcp. |
| 15:56.14 | justin | bridging wired and wireless doesn't always work though |
| 15:56.41 | noshadow | justin: I think it's both via cable. |
| 15:56.56 | fantasticulous | both via cable |
| 15:57.06 | fantasticulous | i set it to dhcp and i plugged the cable |
| 15:57.26 | justin | oh, you said before one of the cards was atheros |
| 15:57.31 | fantasticulous | yes! it worked |
| 15:57.35 | fantasticulous | no, atheros wired |
| 15:57.40 | fantasticulous | :> |
| 15:57.44 | fantasticulous | thanks you guys |
| 15:57.57 | justin | ah, never seen an atheros card hat was not wireless |
| 15:58.18 | fantasticulous | it works fine but there are no mac os x drivers |
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| 15:59.07 | lapfrog | waka it's me from the laptop :D |
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| 16:00.02 | fantasticulous | so now if i want to revert to how it was before, i just edit /etc/network/interfaces and no problems, right? |
| 16:00.24 | noshadow | fantasticulous: theoretically, yes. |
| 16:00.32 | fantasticulous | ok thanks again |
| 16:00.37 | fantasticulous | happy holidays :) |
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| 16:05.41 | Spida | are there any known problems of ath5k of squeeze to assciate to open accesspoints? I can see the ap with iwlist wlan0 scan and kismet... |
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| 16:07.10 | h3sp4wn | I somehow always seem to get much reduced performance using linux software bridging (Its the last thing I would go for) static routes > proxy_arp > bridging (opensolaris / freebsd don't seem to have the same problems - no clue as to whats different either) |
| 16:07.19 | h3sp4wn | (any insight would be helpful) |
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| 16:11.08 | justin | h3sp4wn: define reduced performance |
| 16:11.25 | h3sp4wn | justin: 2MB/s less |
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| 16:11.49 | justin | 2MB/s less of what? |
| 16:11.59 | h3sp4wn | raw transfer rate |
| 16:12.13 | justin | 2MB/s less than 120MB/s? |
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| 16:13.05 | h3sp4wn | Its not on gigabit (wouldn't matter if it was) |
| 16:13.35 | feano2 | hi can you link me the way to request package update? |
| 16:13.37 | justin | 2MB/s from 120MB/s is a little different compared to 2MB/s from 10MB/s |
| 16:14.09 | zxd | heLLo |
| 16:14.17 | zxd | where does alsa keep its configuration files |
| 16:14.20 | zxd | dmix settings, rate |
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| 16:19.03 | xingu | h3sp4wn: if you're not getting ~1k frames/s you have a configuration problem. |
| 16:19.33 | frikinz | Spida: using 2.6.32 and ath5k I'm currently connecd to an open network. I use iwconfig from sid though |
| 16:19.35 | xingu | h3sp4wn: linux's routed performance should be ~= bridged performance in the non-offload-engine case |
| 16:19.58 | xingu | h3sp4wn: but its bridging performance is going to stink compared to a real bridge asic. |
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| 16:21.01 | acxty | Hi guys, I am getting this messages when loading debian lenny. Time: tsc clocksource has been installed and it freeze there |
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| 16:21.39 | acxty | I already try disabling acpi but still no result |
| 16:22.40 | feano2 | hi can you link me the way to request package update? |
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| 16:23.22 | acemi | feano2: for squeeze (the curretn testing) ? |
| 16:23.45 | feano2 | acemi, yes |
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| 16:24.09 | Vardan | hi all |
| 16:24.13 | acemi | feano2: no way, freeze time |
| 16:24.30 | feano2 | acemi, and for SID? |
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| 16:24.54 | acemi | feano2: after the release via buglist |
| 16:24.58 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Does the linux bridging code change anything with regards to the l2mtu ? |
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| 16:25.38 | Vardan | in ttf-dejavu.udeb I want to add/replace one file. How can I do that? |
| 16:25.48 | xingu | h3sp4wn: it won't forward a frame if it's larger than the tx-interface's mtu afaik |
| 16:26.43 | xingu | h3sp4wn: I think that's at a lower layer than bridge though, afaik bridge just uses the regular napi methods to get its thing done |
| 16:26.52 | acemi | Vardan: apt-get source package and then add/replace the file & build the deb |
| 16:27.38 | xingu | h3sp4wn: are you comparing like for like? is it possible that you've effectively benchmarking netfilter rather than bridge? |
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| 16:29.55 | xingu | h3sp4wn: well there you go, br_forward.c *does* do an mtu check vs skb length. |
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| 16:32.52 | p3rror | hello i use evolution |
| 16:33.06 | p3rror | what can make sed/receive button gray |
| 16:33.12 | Vardan | and how to build deb from source? :) |
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| 16:34.22 | tharkun | Can someone recomend a simple to use easy to learn version control system? |
| 16:34.29 | justin | p3rror: it's set to 'offline'? |
| 16:34.38 | p3rror | justin, it is not |
| 16:34.51 | justin | tharkun: git is easy. just stick to 'git add' and 'git commit' until you are ready to learn more |
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| 16:35.06 | karlpinc | tharkun: darcs is dead simple. |
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| 16:36.46 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Thanks |
| 16:36.57 | tharkun | justin, karlpinc I'll take a look at those. thx |
| 16:37.41 | karlpinc | tharkun: git is popular and the "one" to use. But I really like darcs. |
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| 16:38.31 | acemi | Vardan: the key word is dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:38.41 | mibocote | vgs reports there is 500G free, but when I attempt to use 'lvextend -L +400 /vol' on a 4TB volume, it says 'Extending logical volume vol to 4.00 TB', effectively not resizing anything. Any ideas? |
| 16:38.53 | tharkun | karlpinc: thx for the detail |
| 16:39.44 | justin | mibocote: give it a unit |
| 16:39.58 | mibocote | justin: isn't the default MB? |
| 16:40.03 | justin | oh, i guess so |
| 16:41.25 | justin | is /vol correct? I've always given it the path in /dev |
| 16:41.37 | justin | or vgname/lvname |
| 16:41.49 | mibocote | that is just a standin, I actually gave it a full path |
| 16:41.54 | frikinz | I love it when gnome power management tells me the computer will shutdown in a minute and 3 seconds after the power drops. Anyone know how to change the min value? |
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| 16:44.24 | xingu | h3sp4wn: google turns up this cite http://facweb.cti.depaul.edu/jyu/Publications/Yu-Linux-TSM2004.pdf a couple of times; table 3 shows the effect of rising framerates on cpu (1.3GHz duron) |
| 16:45.43 | xingu | h3sp4wn: I'd take a good guess that if your performance is suffering beyond the numbers there then there's something worth putting the effort into troubleshooting (ie, such as netfilter/ethertables/arptables being active or what have you) |
| 16:48.11 | xingu | h3sp4wn: I also read that 2.6.29-rc8 is about the minimum kernel you want to be running if you're serious about this. :) |
| 16:49.10 | mibocote | justin: wow, so I decided to try setting an absolute size instead of a relative one. 'lvextend -L 4.4T /vol' did what I wanted.. weird |
| 16:49.16 | h3sp4wn | xingu: I am using the squeeze xen kernel atm |
| 16:49.47 | h3sp4wn | 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 16:50.22 | xingu | h3sp4wn: coolio; if this is a guest-bridge thing I gather keeping the guest and physical and bridge interfaces at the same mtu is a good idea |
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| 16:50.38 | complete | Hey People! Whats the command to shut down a box at a certain time? |
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| 16:51.01 | AimHere | 'shutdown' |
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| 16:51.04 | xingu | h3sp4wn: this link http://amailbox.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2009/3/19/5196574/thread talks about hitting 8.7Gbps using jumbos |
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| 16:51.16 | xingu | h3sp4wn: ... in vserver |
| 16:51.18 | AimHere | If you feed it the right parameters it'll shutdown at whatever time yoiu specify |
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| 17:01.47 | JordiGH | Is there a way to forbid applications from using swap, and to only use it for hibernation? |
| 17:01.57 | JordiGH | I'd rather have things run out of memory than start thrashing. |
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| 17:03.38 | noshadow | jordiGH: you can either only activate swap before the hibernation. or limit the mount of memory a single process is allowed to allocate using limits. |
| 17:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | Does this code exit or continue if "ENABLED = true" preceeds it? [ "$ENABLED" = "true" ] || exit 0 |
| 17:04.24 | xingu | JordiGH: swappiness sysctl probably does what you think you want. :) |
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| 17:04.27 | JordiGH | noshadow: swapoff? |
| 17:04.54 | nirazio | How do I remove ndiswrapper completely? |
| 17:05.05 | JordiGH | xingu: Is that the actual name of the sysctl option? |
| 17:05.33 | xingu | JordiGH: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 17:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | nirazio: Why? |
| 17:06.34 | nirazio | jhutchins_lt: I would like to remove the ndiswrapper from my system after mistakenly installing it to enable a wifi card |
| 17:07.09 | jhutchins_lt | nirazio: How did you install it? |
| 17:07.33 | nirazio | I dont remember. |
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| 17:08.05 | JordiGH | xingu: so, if I set swappiness to 0, nothing will ever swap and I can still hibernate? |
| 17:08.32 | xingu | JordiGH: I'd say halve the default and see if the change is positive first. |
| 17:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | nirazio: It's smart to keep track of these things. Some people keep notes. |
| 17:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | nirazio: You can try aptitude purge ndiswrapper |
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| 17:09.05 | nirazio | I will try that |
| 17:09.21 | JordiGH | xingu: I don't want swapping at all. The only times I manage to use up my 4 gigs of RAM is when I accidentally tell Octave or some C++ app to allocate a huge matrix by mistake. |
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| 17:11.44 | JordiGH | An unrelated question, I want a key to zap X, but I want a different one, as the default one is too close to an Emacs keybinding. |
| 17:12.48 | noshadow | JordiGH: sounds like you mostly want to set some memory limit for applications. Allowing no application to use more than 3GB sounds like it would solve your problem without causing any new ones. |
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| 17:13.31 | JordiGH | noshadow: I think setting swappiness to zero should be enough. 4 gigs should be enough for everyone. |
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| 17:13.39 | JordiGH | And if not, I'd rather have the thing crash. |
| 17:13.40 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 17:14.56 | gordonjcp | JordiGH: I think you can probably modify X to sort the key combination |
| 17:15.09 | JordiGH | gordonjcp: I think so too! But where? |
| 17:15.42 | noshadow | JordiGH: I think swappiness is mostly about whether programs not having run for some time should be swapped out. I think if something actually requests 5GB it would get it from swap even with swappiness = 0. |
| 17:16.05 | JordiGH | noshadow: Oh. :( |
| 17:17.34 | xingu | noshadow: you'd be wrong. :) |
| 17:18.00 | sedulous | 4 GB are not enough for me :/ |
| 17:18.01 | noshadow | xingu: then the page you posted is wrong. |
| 17:18.14 | xingu | noshadow: depending on overcommit setting it'd either die, or, be handed enough vma to get the job done; linux mm very much depends on what happens with *dirty* pages |
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| 17:19.11 | xingu | noshadow: if an app requests a 5GiB region and dirties it, it'll get paged - eventually - after the wiles of swappiness have been satisfied - unless - it's requested nonpageable memory. |
| 17:20.04 | xingu | on 4GiB physical you're going to notice the brick wall approaching regardless of either of the relevant variables. |
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| 17:20.36 | noshadow | xingu: ? |
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| 17:20.43 | xingu | JordiGH: reduce swappiness, suck it and see; it'll probably do what you think you want to do. |
| 17:20.54 | JordiGH | Suck what? |
| 17:20.57 | lapfrog | it |
| 17:21.06 | noshadow | JordiGH: I still think from your description that you just want to set some ulimit. |
| 17:21.07 | JordiGH | I see... |
| 17:21.09 | lapfrog | giggles |
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| 17:22.01 | JordiGH | noshadow: I'm pretty sure swapping serves no useful purpose on this machine. |
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| 17:22.11 | JordiGH | noshadow: I never see any swap being used except when I fuck up. |
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| 17:22.31 | xingu | "swap" |
| 17:22.45 | noshadow | JordiGH: then if the ulimit avoids the fucking up, you would never see any swapping? |
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| 17:23.07 | xingu | if the sum of vma's is greater than physical, you're using linux "swap" |
| 17:23.12 | xingu | (it usually is) |
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| 17:23.39 | xingu | but we're going round in circles, your real problem is something somewhere in your io stack serialising on io completions |
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| 17:24.09 | JordiGH | sucks the swap. |
| 17:24.09 | xingu | tweak swappiness, see if it masks whatever symptom you think you have. :) |
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| 17:24.34 | brah | Hi. |
| 17:24.44 | brah | I need some help with a routing issue |
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| 17:25.33 | xingu | JordiGH: if you're trying to guard against that failure case (runaway allocation) as noshadow I think suggested a ulimit is a better way to do it |
| 17:25.34 | brah | I can ping 10.0.70.21, and a network is reachable through it. But when I try to add it using route I get SIOCADDRT: No such process |
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| 17:26.11 | brah | I've tried many variants of `route add -net 192.90.90.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.0.70.21` |
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| 17:26.55 | inkvizitor68sl | hi all |
| 17:27.01 | noshadow | brah: you could try the more modern "ip route". Also check the there is no other route for the net you want to route in there. |
| 17:27.27 | inkvizitor68sl | who can answer me few questions about debian.* domains ? |
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| 17:27.34 | xingu | JordiGH: I usually bound rss, stack, nproc in limits.conf fwiw; 64bit address spaces are scary huge, and you can zip through one on dual-6core's like no tomorrow. :) |
| 17:28.04 | brah | noshadow: These are my routes. http://pastebin.ca/2030645 |
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| 17:29.03 | xingu | brah: use 10.0.70.10 as the next-hop instead. |
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| 17:29.45 | pinkisntwell | what's the simplest way to mount a usb drive in lenny? i'm running kde |
| 17:29.47 | sangeeta | can you please tell me where can i find the file : 80211e_EDCF_CFB.tgz . i'm trying to install ieee 802.11e by using ns-2.34. |
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| 17:30.31 | brah | xinguHow would I go about doing that? |
| 17:32.04 | xingu | brah: ip route add 192.90.90.0/24 via 10.0.70.10 |
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| 17:33.28 | brah | Its not via .10, its via .21. If I put .21, I get RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
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| 17:34.01 | xingu | brah: the next-hop for .21 is .10 |
| 17:34.05 | xingu | brah: try it. |
| 17:34.14 | brah | I just have. Doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:34.22 | noshadow | brah: according to your table the only computers rechable as next hop are 10.0.70.10 and 10.15.20.x |
| 17:35.08 | brah | Yeah. .10 is the PtP end of a tun OpenVPN. |
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| 17:35.31 | noshadow | brah: is the route giving an error or the setting thus reached not working? |
| 17:36.49 | noshadow | also note that .10 will have to know where to send those packages to. Routing only works if every hop knows where to send it to. Otherwise you need an (additional) tunnel. |
| 17:38.36 | sangeeta | please can any one say about how to install mac 802.11e |
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| 17:40.55 | sangeeta | khaije|amalt: hai |
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| 17:45.24 | raz_ | hi |
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| 17:47.18 | raz_ | can u say where i can find the file 80211e_EDCF_CFB_tgz |
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| 17:53.52 | Agiofws | hello |
| 17:53.56 | Agiofws | since upgrading udev is totally incompatible and is giving me messages thousands in boot up stalling my boot up until log in |
| 17:54.12 | Agiofws | like its searching for some compatible line IN all the udev files till it goes on to the following boot up process |
| 17:54.26 | Agiofws | http://devplant.net/2010/03/26/linux-upgrading-debian-lenny-to-testing-halts-on-udev-package can you guys look here |
| 17:54.47 | Agiofws | udevd : SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device |
| 17:55.21 | Agiofws | anyone can help me ? |
| 17:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | !udev |
| 17:56.21 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 17:56.53 | Agiofws | !udev squeeze |
| 17:56.53 | dpkg | As of <udev> version 150 (i.e. squeeze), Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required for correct operation. As of udev 163, you should be able to accept this warning message and complete the dist-upgrade to squeeze. Ensure that you have the current squeeze kernel installed (aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i') prior to rebooting. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 17:58.30 | Agiofws | how can i find out what version of udev i have got and if its even running ? jhujhiti ? |
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| 17:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -l udev |
| 17:59.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching udev |
| 17:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: ^ |
| 18:00.43 | Agiofws | ii udev 164-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 18:01.02 | jelly | Agiofws: did you try disabling the fb? |
| 18:01.13 | Agiofws | yes |
| 18:01.28 | jelly | did disabling the fb driver work? |
| 18:01.32 | inkvizitor68sl | someeeone... where i can ask about domains like debian.* ? |
| 18:01.33 | Agiofws | and its not a fb issue it scrolls ALL udev dirs and files ... |
| 18:01.36 | inkvizitor68sl | debian.tld ? |
| 18:01.37 | Agiofws | no :) |
| 18:01.51 | Agiofws | how can i know if udev is working ? |
| 18:01.57 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$pidof udev |
| 18:01.57 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
| 18:01.58 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.11 | jelly | Agiofws: (not in the udev sense, in the "now you got a text console that scrolls much faster" sense) |
| 18:02.42 | jelly | Agiofws: the process name is actualy udevd |
| 18:02.43 | Agiofws | jelly, no scrolling seemed the same ... speed ... not much difference |
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| 18:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: If udev were NOT working you would probably not have a functional system. |
| 18:03.11 | jelly | Agiofws: eh, then you likely didn't succeed in disabling it |
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| 18:04.54 | Agiofws | i did ... i issued the commend in boot options |
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| 18:05.37 | Agiofws | jhutchins, maybe thats why my wifi device does not work at all even with debians stick kernel i don;t know ... |
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| 18:06.14 | Agiofws | 1) i get a "udev failed" message in boot up messages though i don;t know if its a false positive |
| 18:06.28 | Agiofws | This issue is because the new udev requires a > .31 kernel with |
| 18:06.32 | Agiofws | sysrq_deprecated=n (I am going off memory here so don't quote me). This |
| 18:06.37 | Agiofws | means you need to first upgrade to the squeeze kernel, reboot, then upgrade |
| 18:06.38 | Agiofws | udev and proceed with the "updgrade". |
| 18:07.49 | Agiofws | how I upgrade from lenny to squeeze and avoid the current kernel/udev problem |
| 18:08.17 | Agiofws | is hal conflicting with udev or something ? |
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| 18:10.26 | Agiofws | ffs this error is all over the net but i cant get a fix on it |
| 18:10.35 | Agiofws | is anyone here running squeeze ? |
| 18:10.50 | inkvizitor68sl | at desktop or server? |
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| 18:11.00 | Agiofws | desktop |
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| 18:11.32 | inkvizitor68sl | them i pass ) |
| 18:11.48 | Agiofws | jelly, jhutchins these are the types of messages i am getting |
| 18:11.52 | Agiofws | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47954 |
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| 18:12.12 | Agiofws | SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/56-hpmud_support.rules:10 |
| 18:12.21 | Agiofws | yep i've been getting this since 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 hasn't fixed it |
| 18:13.31 | Agiofws | the stupid thing about it is that i can't long the anoying messages i get ... |
| 18:15.49 | lapfrog | i got the same warning for some wacom related script i just replaced SYSFS with ATTR or something like that and it didn't warn |
| 18:16.05 | lapfrog | i haven't tested the wacom input yet though, still need to get a stylus :D |
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| 18:18.17 | Agiofws | lapfrog, ITS not just one udev rule ... its like ALL the udev files in the udev directory .... and secondly the messages are thousands so i can not pin point them out |
| 18:18.42 | lapfrog | sed? :P |
| 18:18.51 | Agiofws | squeeze |
| 18:19.02 | lapfrog | sed |
| 18:19.16 | lapfrog | the line editor :P |
| 18:19.36 | Agiofws | what about it ? |
| 18:19.45 | KB1JWQ | Stream editor, technically. |
| 18:20.02 | lapfrog | i mean you can use it to replace all occurences of SYSFS{} |
| 18:20.08 | lapfrog | and submit a patch or something |
| 18:20.10 | lapfrog | dunno |
| 18:20.34 | Agiofws | /etc/udev/rules.d# ls |
| 18:20.37 | Agiofws | in this dir ? |
| 18:20.44 | lapfrog | i suppose |
| 18:20.55 | lapfrog | im sure you can read just ONE of the lines to get a hint |
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| 18:22.07 | Agiofws | i did ... it goes through ALL udev files and it has a sequence number at the end until it finds the appropriate reading or something like that |
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| 18:25.52 | arp-off | Hello |
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| 18:26.39 | Agiofws | lapfrog, something like :%s/SYSFS/ATTR/g ? |
| 18:27.01 | arp-off | sorry, i need help |
| 18:27.50 | whatsdoom | how do you rewrite your to re-setup your grub2 |
| 18:27.56 | lapfrog | sorry, i was just saying that you can get rid of those SYSFS warnings by replacing every occurence of SYSFS in /etc/udev/rules.d with ATTR and you can use sed to do that quickly |
| 18:28.22 | lapfrog | for i in /etc/udev/rules.d/*; do sed -e "s/SYSFS/ATTR/g" $i; done |
| 18:28.22 | whatsdoom | how do you rewrite your mbr to re-setup your grub2 |
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| 18:28.28 | Agiofws | i am trying with vim is there a quiker way ? |
| 18:28.38 | Agiofws | ok |
| 18:28.49 | Agiofws | i have backed up rules.d |
| 18:28.52 | lapfrog | whatsdoom, try grub-install |
| 18:28.54 | arp-off | I like download debian SID amd64, from Torrent, where are the mirror for download this torrent? |
| 18:28.55 | lapfrog | Agiofws, good thinking |
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| 18:29.25 | lapfrog | arp-off, you don't need mirrors with torrents. you download from all "mirrors" simultaneously |
| 18:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | arp-off: You understand that sid is not a release. |
| 18:29.44 | arp-off | um |
| 18:29.45 | jhutchins_lt | arp-off: ? |
| 18:29.54 | arp-off | exist SID ISO? |
| 18:29.55 | Agiofws | i think that didn;t work |
| 18:29.58 | lapfrog | dang this lag |
| 18:30.02 | Agiofws | SYSFS{idProduct}=="c702", SYSFS{idVendor}=="046d", MODE="660", GROUP="plugdev" |
| 18:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | arp-off: Sid is the pool for new packages being migrated toward testing. |
| 18:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | arp-off: It's where we keep the software that's not tested yet. |
| 18:30.17 | arp-off | yes |
| 18:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | arp-off: The packages that will break your system. |
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| 18:30.52 | arp-off | then, download the debian stable? |
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| 18:31.00 | lapfrog | Agiofws, try sed -i -e ... |
| 18:31.03 | whatsdoom | lapfrog: no that fails |
| 18:31.24 | lapfrog | whatsdoom, dunno, google |
| 18:31.37 | Agiofws | no it works i just have to redirect to a file or something |
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| 18:31.53 | jordanm | -i does not need to be redirected |
| 18:32.01 | lapfrog | Agiofws, -i means edit-in-place |
| 18:32.40 | whatsdoom | tried that am currently paging through results, figured i would ask here, thanks |
| 18:32.43 | Agiofws | ok cool |
| 18:32.50 | Agiofws | edited |
| 18:32.55 | Agiofws | changed |
| 18:33.03 | lapfrog | good job |
| 18:33.12 | Agiofws | what if i cant boot into my system ? |
| 18:33.29 | lapfrog | Agiofws, the /etc/udev/rules.d might not be that essential |
| 18:33.39 | Agiofws | ok |
| 18:33.48 | lapfrog | Agiofws, use a rescue disk to restore the backup if anything happens |
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| 18:33.53 | lapfrog | have a rescue disk or bootable usb stick ready |
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| 18:34.15 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/udev# reboot |
| 18:34.32 | lapfrog | >_> |
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| 18:40.37 | Agiofws | lapfrog, THANKYOU i have had this problem for about a month now now its solved :) |
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| 18:49.54 | Spida | frikinz: sid and squeeze have nearly the same wireless-tools |
| 18:50.24 | dvs | who? |
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| 18:52.57 | h3sp4wn | wireless-tools is depreciated (but then again what isn't) |
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| 18:54.17 | dvs | h3sp4wn: really? |
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| 18:54.24 | jordanm | h3sp4wn: in favor of what? |
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| 18:54.32 | h3sp4wn | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/iw |
| 18:55.32 | jordanm | h3sp4wn: I don't think they deprecate things when the replacements "still under development. Features are added 'as we go'." |
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| 18:56.28 | jordanm | I believe you could however, say that ifconfig (net-tools) is deprecated in favor of iproute2 |
| 18:56.32 | h3sp4wn | jordanm: I think they do (Even at this point iw works better) |
| 18:57.17 | jordanm | either way, neither are deprecated in debian |
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| 19:02.09 | h3sp4wn | jordanm: Not yet (iw is in squeeze/sid though) and afaik the wireless-tools isn't patched for proper mac80211 support |
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| 19:03.22 | jordanm | ,depends ifupdown |
| 19:03.24 | judd | Package ifupdown -- depends: net-tools, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), lsb-base. |
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| 19:07.18 | froggyman | I'm trying to move my windows partition over to the end of my drive, and there's an extended swap partition in the way |
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| 19:07.46 | bolt | simple solution is to just temporarily remove the swap partition |
| 19:08.04 | bolt | if you have enough memory and don't do anything else at the same time, you shouldn't need it while moving the windows partition |
| 19:08.10 | froggyman | I swapoff ed it, but its being shown as a different unallocated space then the rest of my drive where I want windows to go |
| 19:08.37 | froggyman | bolt, thats what I did but now I have to unallocated spaces |
| 19:08.38 | bolt | you probably have to shrink the extended partition |
| 19:08.49 | bolt | i don't think you can have windows on anything but the primary one |
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| 19:09.04 | bolt | also, iirc it's "recommended" to let it stay at the beginning |
| 19:09.05 | froggyman | actually, I forgot to delete it.... |
| 19:09.09 | bolt | windows works in mysterious ways |
| 19:09.18 | froggyman | now i can move it... |
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| 19:09.31 | bolt | you might have problems getting windows to boot afterwards |
| 19:09.45 | bolt | but by all means, take a glance at your backup disks, then go right ahead |
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| 19:09.55 | h3sp4wn | old versions of windows (newer ones have a tiny boot partition) |
| 19:10.04 | froggyman | bolt, I've had it at the end of my drive for a couple of months now without a problem. I just got a new HDD that I'm transferring over to, from a 120GB to a 500GB |
| 19:10.45 | bolt | h3sp4wn: not necessarily. if you tell win7 to install on a pre-made partition, say if you partitioned the disk using linux before letting windows touch it, the boot partition will not be made |
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| 19:10.55 | bolt | froggyman: have fun then :) |
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| 19:13.04 | lapfrog | what? there's a froggyman? |
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| 19:13.45 | bolt | frog overload? |
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| 19:15.59 | h3sp4wn | bolt: Then you wouldn't be able to use GPT |
| 19:16.26 | Pumba | we've got two lives left for playing Frogger? |
| 19:16.55 | Pumba | (make it lifes) |
| 19:17.33 | bolt | h3sp4wn: and? |
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| 19:18.17 | ajikeshi | .dpkg stable |
| 19:18.41 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 19:18.46 | ajikeshi | what is the current stable? |
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| 19:18.50 | ajikeshi | already squeeze? |
| 19:18.54 | jordanm | lenny |
| 19:18.55 | jhutchins_lt | lenny, 5.0.7 |
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| 19:19.24 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 19:19.40 | ajikeshi | when will the next stable release come? |
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| 19:20.39 | jhutchins_lt | ajikeshi: When it's ready. That's the great thing about debian, they don't go and release a bunch of broken stuff to meet a deadline like other distros do. |
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| 19:20.53 | ajikeshi | yeah i know |
| 19:21.06 | ajikeshi | but are there rumors... like mid 2011 |
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| 19:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | ajikeshi: There were rumors of early 2010 too. |
| 19:21.25 | ajikeshi | i know :D |
| 19:21.44 | ajikeshi | but the more recent might be more accurate |
| 19:21.46 | Bushmills | there must be somebody in the world who seems to know, and consequently spread that information |
| 19:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | It's really just a matter of how long it takes to get stuff like the intel graphics problems fixed. |
| 19:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | It's not a date, it's a level of quality. It's having all of the bugs marked "release critical" closed. |
| 19:22.39 | jhutchins_lt | You never know how long it's going to take to fix a system or a package until it's fixed. |
| 19:22.42 | Bop_ | ,versions kernel |
| 19:22.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 19:22.52 | Bop_ | ,versions linux-image |
| 19:22.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 19:23.23 | jhutchins_lt | I've known coders who could pretty confidently estimate how long a certain task would take, but if it was an unexpected bug they didn't know the reason for they couldn't. |
| 19:23.25 | Bushmills | did nostradamus write anything about squeeze? |
| 19:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:23.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 19:24.12 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: He wrote the mysterious phrase "wirsiyh". |
| 19:24.36 | Bushmills | sounds like it. did he attribute a date to it? |
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| 19:27.27 | h3sp4wn | bolt: I don't see why you would want to not use it given the chance |
| 19:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | Sadly, no. |
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| 19:27.44 | bolt | h3sp4wn: i don't want to not use it |
| 19:27.48 | jhutchins_lt | h3sp4wn: What, squeeze? |
| 19:28.00 | h3sp4wn | jhutchins_lt: gpt |
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| 19:28.46 | bolt | h3sp4wn: i was just saying recent windows versions don't necessarily use the boot partition you mentioned |
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| 19:29.00 | bolt | h3sp4wn: doesn't mean i'm doing it |
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| 19:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | Windows doesn't have to be on the first partition, in fact most OEM installs it's the second or third. |
| 19:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think it minds being on a logical partition either. |
| 19:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | Not since NT anyway. |
| 19:30.55 | zq2 | hello. i have debian lenny and openbox (without any panel). if i run transmission and then click the close button, it won't quit, it just get minimized. but since i don't have a tray, i'm unable to restore the window. is there some way? |
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| 19:31.21 | h3sp4wn | zq2: You can set it to not do that |
| 19:31.48 | zq2 | h3sp4wn: i checked. but it's an old version of transmission (since i use stable debian) |
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| 19:32.54 | queso | Has something changed with the packaging of postgresql in Debian so it no longer uses readline but instead uses editline? |
| 19:32.57 | h3sp4wn | zq2: So the show icon in notification area button doesn't exist ? |
| 19:33.17 | zq2 | h3sp4wn: no |
| 19:33.44 | h3sp4wn | queso: readline is gplv3 now |
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| 19:34.49 | queso | h3sp4wn: Sorry, I don't know what that means. It's gplv3, so debian no longer uses readline? |
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| 19:36.42 | h3sp4wn | queso: readline is gplv3 and potentially that makes it incompatible with gplv2 software so its editline (bsd license is used instead) |
| 19:37.09 | h3sp4wn | queso: likely to do with extensions or so |
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| 19:38.11 | h3sp4wn | queso: (Dunno why they didn't keep both a gplv2 licensed readline as well or not upgrade it but its not my decision |
| 19:38.40 | queso | h3sp4wn: okay. |
| 19:38.58 | queso | Can someone tell me how to configure editline to use vi editing mode? |
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| 19:39.38 | h3sp4wn | see man editrc |
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| 19:40.18 | queso | h3sp4wn: No man page. Are there some packages I have to install to get it to use an editrc file? |
| 19:41.48 | jelly-hme | judd: file editrc.* |
| 19:41.52 | judd | editrc.* in lenny/i386: tnftp: usr/share/man/man5/editrc.tn.5.gz; libedit-dev: usr/share/man/man5/editrc.5el.gz |
| 19:42.06 | jelly-hme | libedit-dev, it seems |
| 19:42.14 | queso | jelly-hme: ty |
| 19:42.57 | jelly-hme | queso: file a bug! That manual page should probably be moved to the libedit package ;-) |
| 19:43.33 | jelly-hme | er, libedit2 |
| 19:44.28 | jelly-hme | and there's also a libeditline0, which is also an editline but apparently not BSD editline |
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| 19:45.24 | jelly-hme | "thank you SO much FSF" |
| 19:45.56 | queso | jelly-hme: What do you mean? |
| 19:46.11 | naphex | I have /tmp, /var and /home on an SD card (/dev/sdbX), but these block specials do not exist yet when fsck wants to check them at boot (or when mountall.sh attempts to mount them). I can work around the problem by adding a "sleep 10" at the beginning of mountall.sh, but what would be the correct way to solve it? This is on squeeze. |
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| 19:47.33 | homie | does anyone here have xsane running with squeeze ? |
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| 19:48.15 | homie | mine does give me errors something like check the scanner-head or so....that's not likely to be the cause alas... |
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| 19:49.26 | homie | and saned is also weird, it does AF_INET6 on some address, and tries to bind, though it is running locally, and the bind to that address fails, telling me it is already in use, though saned will nevertheless will get to run.... |
| 19:50.25 | queso | There must be a bug in editline. When I up-arrow to view the previous query in psql, it chops off the query at a certain point when re-displaying the text. |
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| 19:54.31 | burd | Does it not seem odd that the current squeeze installer allows wireless over insecure open and wep (un)protected networks yet cannot use the current standard wpa or wpa2? i wonder if there is a logical reason for this... |
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| 19:55.25 | dvs | burd: and the WiFi wiki says not to use wep... |
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| 19:57.25 | Agiofws | what should you use then ? |
| 19:57.45 | burd | wpa2 is the only relatively secure method of connecting to wifi |
| 19:57.53 | Agiofws | yah |
| 19:58.04 | Agiofws | but ONLY if linux supports it ? |
| 19:58.12 | burd | it does |
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| 19:58.46 | burd | thats the even goofier portion of this is that wpasupplicant is on CD1.. |
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| 19:59.10 | h3sp4wn | Is it in the netboot ? |
| 19:59.25 | burd | i havent checked |
| 19:59.39 | Agiofws | use no encryption TILL wifi works then secure your network |
| 19:59.56 | burd | Agiofws, that is NOT a solution |
| 20:00.17 | Agiofws | why not it leads to a solution |
| 20:00.19 | burd | that means while I install debian i have to have an open access point on my secure network that anyone driving by can access |
| 20:00.28 | burd | NOT a solution |
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| 20:01.23 | h3sp4wn | mpls (guess thats not supported by the installer either) could use pppoe |
| 20:01.32 | Agiofws | well first i would see IF actually my wifi works ok then i would secure it ; doing it the other way around would only confuse you if you were having network issues |
| 20:01.59 | burd | Look I have been using debian since 1999 I KNOW how to use wifi and set up a proper network.. |
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| 20:02.41 | Agiofws | then you do |
| 20:03.24 | burd | Agiofws, I'm going to lunch so you will have to troll elsewhere |
| 20:03.25 | h3sp4wn | burd: Any devices that need (non-free) firmware for wpa ? |
| 20:03.40 | h3sp4wn | burd: I think there is (perhaps that is the reason) |
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| 20:04.05 | Agiofws | burd, nice appetite you may have i not troll i live under bridge though |
| 20:04.22 | burd | h3sp4wn, could very well be i have not done much checking it just seemed odd that Debian is so about security yet they allow you to install over insecure networks |
| 20:05.11 | burd | not like it was a big deal to me, I just installed with disk 1, skipped all network and apt repository stuff, install wpasupplicant and then set up apt.. just sucked time was all |
| 20:05.27 | Agiofws | h3sp4wn, i guess you would need the latetest firmware update to get wpa2 support for a wlan card ... |
| 20:05.37 | burd | off to lunch |
| 20:06.04 | burd | I have yet tp require extra firmware for wpa2.. although I always use atheros based cards |
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| 20:15.13 | darkstego | me gusta |
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| 20:17.39 | Pinchiukas | When booting a freshly debootstrapped system I get a 'ALERT! /dev/mapper/vg1-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!' Seems like lvm isn't working? |
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| 20:23.07 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell Pinchiukas about initramfs debug |
| 20:23.26 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: did you rebuild your initramfs image after installing lvm package? |
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| 20:33.01 | lapfrog | dpkg, hi |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | hi, lapfrog |
| 20:33.21 | siva_ | does anyone know a website, where i can build a distro online and download the iso? |
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| 20:36.22 | h3sp4wn | siva_: I only know suse studio |
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| 20:36.50 | Pinchiukas | Seems there is no /dev/mapper when I check in (initramfs) shell. |
| 20:36.51 | siva_ | h3sp4wn, i heard there is a debian version. unable to recollect it's url |
| 20:37.08 | Pinchiukas | That's saying that the initramfs kernel doesn't support lvm? |
| 20:37.14 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: what if you manually do a vgchange -ay |
| 20:37.46 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: is there a vgchange binary in /bin or /sbin or whatever the initramfs image has in PATH? |
| 20:38.14 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: if there's not, you'll have to rebuild initramfs |
| 20:38.28 | Pinchiukas | No such command - vgchange. :) |
| 20:38.41 | Pinchiukas | Seems no vgchange on my system. :) |
| 20:39.10 | jelly-hme | well then, you know what to do next |
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| 20:41.46 | Pinchiukas | Install the lvm2 package? |
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| 20:50.21 | Surf | might anyone know why all my ports are not responding to ping on my home network? I have tried forwaring ports without luck. also, firewall is complitely off .. |
| 20:50.44 | Pinchiukas | Thanks jelly-hme. :) |
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| 20:55.17 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: not just install the package, rebuild initramfs afterwards |
| 20:55.55 | Pinchiukas | jelly-hme: it auto-triggers the rebuild of initramfs. |
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| 21:01.16 | Pinchiukas | Can I set nginx to use pam for authentication and the tell it to use pam_unix so that all users with ssh access would have access to the nginx resources? |
| 21:02.09 | jelly-hme | Pinchiukas: for the kernel running at present; not necessarily the kernel you're going to boot next time |
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| 21:03.34 | Pinchiukas | jelly-hme: what if I'm in a chroot environment? :) |
| 21:04.11 | jelly-hme | "rebuild initramfs" |
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| 21:04.44 | Pinchiukas | But it's triggered by the package installatoin somehow and gets executed anyway. |
| 21:04.47 | jelly-hme | if you don't know how, the correct question is "how?", not "what if" |
| 21:04.56 | Pinchiukas | That's why I was able to boot my system, I suppose. |
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| 21:07.40 | jelly-hme | in any case, make sure the correct initramfs image is updated. If it's not done automatically, use update-initramfs manually on the kernel you're going to boot |
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| 21:08.57 | frikinz | Spida: did you manage? I use nothing but iwconfig iwconfig wlan0 essid HotSpot_UM ; iwconfig wlan0 channel 1 ; dhclient wlan0 |
| 21:10.53 | frikinz | I love poland. 10 networks around the house, 9 use no security. handy |
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| 21:11.46 | f8l | frikinz: Yes... So called "Children of Neostrada" are not educated well about the Internet and other networks. |
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| 21:21.11 | frikinz | 10mn lag later... f8l maybe but the router I'm going thru is a dd-wrt and has only ssh opened and filtered. |
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| 21:21.46 | pension | is there a way to manually turn on the fan on my laptop? |
| 21:21.55 | pension | i cant seem to get it to run |
| 21:22.03 | pension | and my laptop constantly overheats |
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| 21:22.36 | AimHere | Might it be clogged up with dust and fluff and toenails? |
| 21:22.45 | pension | runs fine on windows |
| 21:23.09 | pension | is there a way to manually set the thermal trip_points |
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| 21:29.28 | jelly-home | pension: first try a newer kernel. Which debian release are you using? uname -r? |
| 21:29.51 | frikinz | pension: write to /proc/acpi is possible |
| 21:30.45 | pension | jelly-home: trying new kernels as we speak |
| 21:30.54 | pension | 2.6.35 |
| 21:30.59 | pension | and 2.6.36 |
| 21:31.10 | jelly-home | hmph, that doesn't sound so good |
| 21:31.19 | f8l | pension: 2.6.37 is availible |
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| 21:31.26 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 21:31.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:31.29 | f8l | is configuring one right now. |
| 21:31.39 | fi9o | :) |
| 21:31.49 | jelly-home | f8l: kernel.org doesn't say so |
| 21:31.51 | fi9o | f8l: Jestes juz developerem debiana czy nie? :) |
| 21:32.00 | pension | also, how do i get a kernel to use my own DSDTs |
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| 21:32.14 | frikinz | its even preconfigured in experimental :) |
| 21:32.31 | f8l | fi9o: No, I'm not a Debian developer. |
| 21:32.43 | pension | i thought putting DSDT.aml in /etc/initramfs-tools would work |
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| 21:34.26 | pension | is http://wiki.debian.org/OverridingDSDT still relevant? |
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| 21:43.01 | Pinchiukas | Now when shutting down I see "Can't deactivate volume group vg1 with 1 open logical volume(s)". :/ |
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| 21:43.42 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: that's what happens when you have your root filesystem on a lvm, for obviuos reasons |
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| 21:44.18 | jelly-home | in other words, it's normal |
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| 21:47.42 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: oh... I thought that might be possible but wanted to be sure. :) |
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| 21:54.12 | afuentes | I cant make my npg dvb-t plus to work. Its a tv usb stick syntonizer. Any help? thank you |
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| 22:02.38 | naphex | It seems I need to manually create device nodes. /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz states that "devices nodes present in /lib/udev/devices will be copied to /dev/ at boot times". How do I create these device nodes in /lib/udev/devices/ ? |
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| 22:03.07 | metalfan__ | hi |
| 22:03.22 | gnarface | naphex: i haven't needed to manually create a device node since udev was released - what is it you're doing that requires this? |
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| 22:04.07 | simonrvn | has, when udev was new... |
| 22:04.25 | naphex | gnarface: I have /tmp /home and /var on an SD card (/dev/sdbX) but these devices do not exist yet when mountall.sh tries to mount them at boot. |
| 22:05.28 | naphex | gnarface: actually, I can work around the problem by adding a "sleep 10" at the beginning of mountall.sh, but it does not feel very right. |
| 22:06.04 | gnarface | naphex: i'm not familiar with mountall.sh - maybe you can change your boot priorities to make that happen later? |
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| 22:07.23 | simonrvn | mountall.sh is an init script. it mounts everything in fstab, not marked noauto |
| 22:07.48 | gnarface | simonrvn: so it runs before the SD drivers? |
| 22:07.51 | simonrvn | naphex: i'm starting to think that your /etc/fstab isn't correct. |
| 22:07.54 | nsadmin | there's a parameter for how long to wait for root fs to become available |
| 22:08.25 | gnarface | i like SD cards! |
| 22:08.26 | naphex | nsadmin: rootdelay=10 does not solve the problem, the root fs is found correctly. |
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| 22:08.45 | simonrvn | hmm, could be that. long enough wait could do it. no modules are loaded first. |
| 22:08.51 | simonrvn | no, * |
| 22:08.52 | nsadmin | so it's an fs other than /? |
| 22:09.43 | gnarface | nsadmin: he said /tmp, /home and /var |
| 22:09.44 | naphex | nsadmin: /var /tmp/ /home |
| 22:10.14 | nsadmin | oh ok... so everything else... and so they're not on the same drive? |
| 22:11.43 | naphex | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/u0Tp6jCB is fstab. |
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| 22:14.57 | karlpinc | tharkun: I'm curious. What did you decide? |
| 22:15.00 | naphex | nsadmin: right, / is found correctly, but /var /tmp and /home are found with some delay. For instance, if / has to be checked by fsck (25 mounts or so), then udev has time to create the devices and the mountall.sh init script mounts /var /tmp and /home without problem. |
| 22:17.03 | naphex | gnarface: could you tell me more about changing boot priorities? I did not understand that. |
| 22:17.26 | gnarface | hmm. you know, i've had some weird issues with off-brand 2GB SD cards labeled at SDHC but judging by the log errors i get from mount incapable of responding at SDHC speeds |
| 22:17.37 | gnarface | what brand/model SD cards are these naphex? |
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| 22:18.35 | gnarface | naphex: i don't understand them either since everything went to insserv/concurrent booting voodoo but originally i thought your issue was just that your SD drivers were loading AFTER mountall.sh was run - now i'm not so sure that's the case |
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| 22:18.54 | karlpinc | naphex: You could file a bug. (Against sysvinit?) |
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| 22:19.27 | gnarface | naphex: try to check your logs for errors like "waiting for device to settle down before querying" or something like that |
| 22:19.35 | gnarface | hang on i'll get the exact messages i get |
| 22:19.46 | Arm | hello. I've been trying to get a list of explicitly installed packages but still haven't got a good solution: dpkg -l is not what I want, I don't want the list to include automatically selected packages. Y tried this on my own grep 'Commandline: apt-get \(install\|\(auto\)\?remove\)' /var/log/apt/history.log | cut -d' ' -f3- but I then have to take out the install and removed entries |
| 22:19.50 | naphex | gnarface: inov8-memory ... |
| 22:19.59 | Arm | is there a clean orthodox way to do it? |
| 22:20.07 | naphex | gnarface: no such errors... |
| 22:20.29 | karlpinc | Arm: Read the aptitude search docs. Html (ick) in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/.... |
| 22:20.46 | karlpinc | Arm: file:///usr/share/doc/ |
| 22:21.39 | naphex | gnarface: only fsck.ext4: No such file or directory while trying to open device ... |
| 22:21.54 | karlpinc | Arm: There's a number of ways to use grep to filter too, but that just seems clunky. |
| 22:22.09 | gnarface | naphex: in dmesg do you see "waiting for device to settle before scanning" |
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| 22:22.38 | naphex | gnarface: no |
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| 22:23.17 | gnarface | naphex: probably not the same issue i'm having then, sorry |
| 22:23.20 | naphex | gnarface: but just waiting a couple of seconds while the boot sequance is hung asking for a root password for maintainance is enough to see the devices being created |
| 22:23.40 | naphex | sequEnce, sorry. |
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| 22:24.39 | gnarface | naphex: it certainly *sounds* similar to the mount/unmount delay issues i've had with certain el-cheapo SD cards mounted over drives in usb devices, but i'm not doing any of this at boot so i'm not having the same problem eactly |
| 22:24.42 | gnarface | exactly |
| 22:25.03 | nsadmin | naphex: you say you "see" something after a few secs waiting? |
| 22:25.10 | karlpinc | naphex: The kernel sends signals to udev, but something is not waiting for udev. (In the general case how would it know to wait?) The linux-hotplug mailing list would know aout this, but it's not really their issue. They might know who to ask. |
| 22:25.27 | karlpinc | s/aout/about/ |
| 22:26.14 | nsadmin | is the drive where /home/user, /var, /tmp is stored, connected by usb? |
| 22:27.05 | naphex | nsadmin: it is an SD card on the right side of an eeepc (one o fthe first models, 701 I think)... |
| 22:27.08 | Arm | aptitude search '~i!~M' <-- this is what I wanted |
| 22:27.09 | karlpinc | naphex: I think mountall.sh (or something common that also mounts /) needs to look at fstab and know whether to wait for a device special file to show up. Maybe. |
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| 22:27.28 | nsadmin | maybe the reader is usb |
| 22:27.46 | gnarface | SanDisk Ultra II (high-throughput digital camera grade) SD cards don't give me any problems - but 2GB "SDHC" Lexar "Gaming Edition" card that cost like 9$ that gives me no end of issues mounting/unmounting and transferring too many files at once |
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| 22:28.24 | karlpinc | I have had problems with CF cards that are not Sandisk or Transmeta (or one other that costs 3 times as much. I forget.) |
| 22:28.37 | karlpinc | They say they do ide, but don't. |
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| 22:29.05 | NightMonkey | Arm: I've been looking for a solution for that query, too, thanks. Terrible way to have to do it, though. |
| 22:29.13 | gnarface | i don't have the error on hand but it seems that when i unmount after copying or deleting a large amount of files (>1MB) there's a REALLY long wait for the device to sync up the SD card |
| 22:29.20 | karlpinc | NightMonkey: Why so terrible? |
| 22:29.36 | karlpinc | NightMonkey: (Except that the aptitude syntax is terrifying.) |
| 22:29.37 | gnarface | it says something about it taking more than 120 seconds to respond and that there's a config parameter somewhere to make it wait longer |
| 22:29.55 | gnarface | i've learned to just wait 20 minutes or so till it catches up it will finally release the prompt |
| 22:30.08 | naphex | nsadmin: yes, I see on the console [timestamp] sd 2:0:0:0 [sdb] Assuming drive cahce: write through. After that, the boot can proceed normally if I tell the thing to mount all the drives. |
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| 22:30.40 | Arm | NightMonkey: this kind of stuff should not be in aptitude, but in apt-cache. Debian should break backwards compatibility once every 10 years or so and do things right. Look pacman, this same thing is done with just pacman -Qe (query explicit) |
| 22:30.53 | NightMonkey | karlpinc: That's what I mean. I should be able to get installed packages from 'apt-search --installed', but that actually searches dependencies. |
| 22:31.08 | NightMonkey | s/apt-search/apt-cache/ |
| 22:31.33 | naphex | karlpinc: do you have an idea how to instruct the init system to wait for these /dev/sdbX devices to be created? |
| 22:31.37 | NightMonkey | Arm: I agree. |
| 22:32.15 | NightMonkey | Arm: Would adding (not removing) an option actuall break backwards compatibility? |
| 22:32.38 | Arm | NightMonkey: don't think so, but I've seen many inconsintencies in apt commands set |
| 22:32.57 | Arm | that's why I say break backwards compatibility to make things right |
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| 22:33.45 | karlpinc | naphex: No. But there must be a "right way". That's why I'm thinking bug report (or ask the udev folks). |
| 22:34.27 | red-paladin | Hello, I am trying to get an ipad touch to work on debian, but I am having trouble, is there someone who could help me? |
| 22:34.29 | Arm | for some reason I'm bug-report-phobic, you guys do it :-) |
| 22:34.53 | karlpinc | !tell red-paladin about anyone |
| 22:34.54 | naphex | karlpinc: ok, thanks. |
| 22:35.21 | karlpinc | !tell red-paladin about dosen't work |
| 22:35.25 | NightMonkey | Arm: Your method is interesting. I wonder how aptitude gets this information, when it is so hard to get it from the shell tools? |
| 22:36.09 | gnarface | wait, dpkg -l doesn't list packages installed as dependencies? |
| 22:36.19 | karlpinc | NightMonkey: It's not _that_ hard. There's an apt-cache command to show lots of package info and then grep will filter. But why go to the trouble. (I don't do apt-cache much.) |
| 22:36.29 | Arm | NightMonkey: I was wondering the exact same thing. I guess it parses some files in /var/lib/apt/ |
| 22:36.31 | red-paladin | I am trying to follow the step of creating a device directory in .gvfs, adn it says operation not permitted |
| 22:36.44 | karlpinc | red-paladin: Are you root? |
| 22:36.48 | red-paladin | yes |
| 22:36.58 | NightMonkey | karlpinc: You never want to see a list of installed packages? |
| 22:37.05 | Arm | still, I'm against tools like aptitude. The reason there are so many apt-* commands is: do one thing and do it right |
| 22:37.06 | karlpinc | NightMonkey: I use aptitude. |
| 22:37.08 | red-paladin | either way I get the same result |
| 22:37.12 | Arm | aptitude is almost a fucking IDE |
| 22:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | red-paladin: Is there a procedure you're following? |
| 22:37.22 | red-paladin | yes, http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 22:37.24 | Arm | you could say "well.. it does package management well" |
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| 22:37.33 | Arm | f*ck it |
| 22:37.33 | karlpinc | Arm: (and I hate it's curses interface.) |
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| 22:37.38 | Arm | f*ck it |
| 22:37.40 | Arm | f*ck it |
| 22:37.43 | Arm | >_< |
| 22:37.44 | Arm | >_< |
| 22:37.45 | Diytto | Lol @ * |
| 22:37.47 | lapfrog | sp*m it |
| 22:37.52 | Diytto | Lol |
| 22:37.53 | red-paladin | I can see the ipod on the desktop and can see the pictures inside, so I know it's mounter |
| 22:37.56 | red-paladin | mounted |
| 22:38.13 | karlpinc | s/'// *sigh* |
| 22:38.16 | Arm | karlpinc: just the other day we bumped onto an aptitude bug |
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| 22:38.48 | red-paladin | and I can see a directory gphoto2\ mount\ on\ usb%3A001,007 |
| 22:38.49 | red-paladin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.52 | Arm | and it doesn't surprise me, being a complex app, made in C++ |
| 22:38.57 | Arm | holly cow |
| 22:39.02 | lapfrog | s/ll/l/ |
| 22:39.04 | karlpinc | Arm: Trouble is, package management only goes back to the middle 90's. Nobody knows what the "one things" are. |
| 22:40.16 | Arm | karlpinc: I can see your point but: if you got to gestionate stuff locally, or with the packages database, apt-cache, if you need to do something with remote packages, apt-get, if you need to do stuff with packages files, dpkg |
| 22:40.19 | Arm | that's what I mean |
| 22:40.25 | nsadmin | actually "it's mounted" is correct, "its mounted" is not |
| 22:40.26 | Arm | so you don't have 50Kb man pages |
| 22:40.32 | Arm | and you can actually find anything |
| 22:40.37 | NightMonkey | karlpinc: We're getting a decent idea of some of the most common needs in packaging. |
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| 22:41.17 | NightMonkey | karlpinc: One I'm pretty confident in is "show me packages I've got installed". |
| 22:41.25 | karlpinc | NightMonkey: :) |
| 22:42.09 | NightMonkey | karlpinc: :) |
| 22:42.15 | red-paladin | jhutchins, it shows as being mounted rw but I can't seem to create any files or directories. |
| 22:42.34 | naphex | karlpinc: it seems I am experiencing bug #464418 |
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| 22:43.24 | karlpinc | red-paladin: Maybe you need to be in the plugdev group? (I forget. I think the groups are in the debian policy manual....) |
| 22:44.06 | red-paladin | Root should already be in there right? |
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| 22:45.36 | NightMonkey | So, to compensate, I've just created 'apt-installed' in my $HOME/bin, with "aptitude search '~i!~M'" as the 2nd line. |
| 22:45.41 | karlpinc | red-paladin: I suppose so. I'm probably wrong then. (FWIW if it's a driver issue you could try a newer kernel. Running lenny? Get one from backports.debian.org.) |
| 22:45.59 | NightMonkey | Gosh, I hope I remember that. ;) |
| 22:46.12 | karlpinc | naphex: At least write in and tell them it's not just a swap problem. You're not on a vm either, right? |
| 22:46.24 | red-paladin | karlpinc, I'm running 2.6.32-5 |
| 22:46.35 | naphex | karlpinc: no. |
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| 22:46.55 | karlpinc | naphex: If they know it's not just vm and not swap they might be more anxious to fix it. |
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| 22:47.30 | karlpinc | red-paladin: Humm. Ok. My brain's empty now. |
| 22:47.32 | naphex | karlpinc: ok, I will try to add information to the bug. |
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| 22:48.34 | karlpinc | naphex: Someone might also know on the debian mailing list, or ask back here later. |
| 22:48.52 | red-paladin | Thanks anyway |
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| 22:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | red-paladin: mounted read-only then. |
| 22:51.47 | red-paladin | jhutchins, well it says rw with the mount command, but it behaves as if it is read only |
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| 22:52.37 | tharkun | karlpinc: It seems git is easy enough for someone as forgetful as me. Plus the man pages are great |
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| 23:02.52 | red-paladin | jhutchins, I can see the Ipod in rhythymbox now. But when I try to drag a file there, it says "Unable to send file to MTP device: PTP Layer error 02ff: LIBMTP_Send_File_From_File_Descriptor(): Could not send object." |
| 23:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | red-paladin: That rather vaguely suggests that the filename or character set may not be compatible. |
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| 23:05.57 | red-paladin | jhutchins, is there a better place to ask about this? |
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| 23:11.31 | thewanderer1 | what would you recommend for securing a Debian shell/HTTP+PHP server (SSH, bash for users) with user space tools installed such as gcc, other compilers? |
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| 23:12.59 | Bushmills | a wire cutter |
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| 23:15.51 | [--a_syd_guy--] | hi. |
| 23:16.25 | [--a_syd_guy--] | i just tried to read the guidlines but it did quite work. |
| 23:16.39 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: then it would cease to be a shell server wouldn't it? |
| 23:16.55 | Bushmills | hopefully :) |
| 23:17.10 | ajikeshi | lol |
| 23:18.32 | Bushmills | [--a_syd_guy--]: reading did work? congrats. |
| 23:18.53 | [--a_syd_guy--] | well i am new here. |
| 23:19.09 | [--a_syd_guy--] | so i thought id read the guidelines |
| 23:19.26 | Bushmills | ah. right you mean, reading those was quite some work? |
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| 23:20.00 | [--a_syd_guy--] | no. i mean it didn't work. |
| 23:20.01 | Bushmills | well, now that you're through with those, you can set yourself new goals |
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| 23:20.55 | Bushmills | oh. so, reading did not work? then pray tell, what about reading didn't work? |
| 23:21.05 | [--a_syd_guy--] | so i just thought i would wait a little. and ask for some help |
| 23:21.17 | Bushmills | you followed text from left to right, horizontally? |
| 23:21.29 | [--a_syd_guy--] | ye |
| 23:21.34 | [--a_syd_guy--] | yep |
| 23:21.44 | Bushmills | skipping to next line when done with one? |
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| 23:24.27 | NightMonkey | cracks up. |
| 23:24.47 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, when I do iostat on lenny it shows stats for all partition, on squeeze it just shows the disk. |
| 23:26.45 | [--a_syd_guy--] | would someone be willing to help me download Dedian 4 etch. ive been running around in circles trying through Debian.org. ive managed to find the etch FTP download folder. but i am not quite sure which 1 in need to download. |
| 23:27.58 | Jordan_U | [--a_syd_guy--]: Why? |
| 23:28.07 | pipeline | [--a_syd_guy--]: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 23:28.35 | pipeline | [--a_syd_guy--]: also your nick is horrendously lame. It's not normal or acceptable behaviour to use non-alpha characters at the beginning of your IRC nick |
| 23:28.36 | [--a_syd_guy--] | thanks. one moment please |
| 23:29.10 | [--a_syd_guy--] | oh Okay. sorry. not only am i new to linux. im new to irc as well. |
| 23:29.40 | [--a_syd_guy--] | Okay. ive been to you the link you provided. |
| 23:29.43 | Arrowmaster | is there a specific reason you need etch? |
| 23:29.46 | [--a_syd_guy--] | and thanks for that. |
| 23:29.48 | ailo | Im thinking of getting rid of flashplayer for good now. Just had a memory leak that took all of my ram + swap. Can I live without it? What's your thoughts on that, anyone? |
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| 23:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | [--a_syd_guy--]: We might have other resources that would be more appropriate depending on what you're trying to do. |
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| 23:31.18 | pipeline | ailo: good riddance to bad trash |
| 23:31.37 | jhutchins_lt | ailo: A significant portion of the sites I regularly visit use flash. I very rarely have trouble with it on lenny or so far on squeeze. |
| 23:31.43 | pipeline | ailo: in addition to how pokey it is, flash has frequent security holes. Adobe is tardy about patching them. Your life is simpler without those problems. |
| 23:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | I use the non-free installer to run the Adobe code. |
| 23:32.11 | [--a_syd_guy--] | hey thanks jhutchins. Be Right Back |
| 23:32.26 | ThePub | "Can I do without something only I know if I can do without?", answer: "I don't know." |
| 23:35.16 | ailo | Perhaps html5 will redeem this flash problem automatically with time? I'm trying gnash now. No more flash for me. That's it! |
| 23:36.31 | ThePub | ailo: if you don't use flash, why install flash at all? If you do use flash, why would you use an oss alternative when they're woefully inadequate for everything out on the internet? Why would HTML5 resolve any flash "issues" when open standards in the past which were just as good never did? |
| 23:37.38 | thewanderer1 | ailo: many YouTube movies support HTML5 already, as does Chromium-browser in Debian (sid). I can get by with that :) |
| 23:37.58 | thewanderer1 | (no gnash either, nor any other flash-like thing) |
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| 23:38.39 | ailo | ThePub: I don't know the specifics for sure, but from what I understand html5 will include native support for audio/video and that this will make it easier to have a multitude of video formats at any website |
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| 23:39.43 | deepy | I have a usb stick I need to turn into a ext3 |
| 23:39.46 | thewanderer1 | ailo: try it. get a recent browser (can be Sid on a VM with Chromium) and see what it's like... |
| 23:40.10 | pipeline | deepy: cfdisk /dev/sdb; mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:40.25 | deepy | Fatal error cannot read disk drive |
| 23:40.26 | pipeline | deepy: substitute whatever the usb device is for /dev/sdb |
| 23:40.33 | pipeline | deepy: well it may not be sdb, it could be something else |
| 23:40.47 | ailo | thewanderer1: I'm on firefox 4. I did try html5 on Youtube a couple of months ago. I'm sure it's improving with time. |
| 23:41.26 | deepy | It's sdc |
| 23:41.31 | deepy | or at least was |
| 23:41.43 | deepy | [3197219.713870] sdc: unknown partition table |
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| 23:41.53 | deepy | Oh hey now it shows up |
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| 23:42.28 | MindWarper | cant find the gingerbread mirrors |
| 23:42.31 | Jordan_U | deepy: Be carefull, if you choose the wrong device you could lose a lot of data. |
| 23:42.32 | thewanderer1 | deepy: pendrives are often formatted as filesystems, not as DOS partition tables... you can make a filesystem spanning the whole device just as well |
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| 23:42.56 | deepy | Jordan_U: I know it's sdc |
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| 23:43.07 | thewanderer1 | ailo: sure it is. however, I never had any success with flash emulators (gnash, swfdec), so I don't recommend them... flash-free world is a cleaner one for me |
| 23:43.14 | pipeline | I would encourage you to create a DOS partition table and mark the partition as type 82/83 whatever the linux type is |
| 23:43.27 | deepy | And I didn't get any sdc1 |
| 23:43.29 | pipeline | if you just mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc, windows etc will detect it as a blank, unformatted device. Not good. |
| 23:43.36 | pipeline | deepy: there's no sdc1 yet because you have not created it with cfdisk |
| 23:43.40 | ThePub | ailo: a website must stupport those html5 setups.. it doesn't just magically replace flash. your original question is bogus and silly, only you know if you can replace flash. if all you do is go to sites with an html5 alternative than it can definitely replace it! otherwise... *rolls eyes* |
| 23:44.24 | deepy | pipeline: I pick cfdisk, choose new, primary, pick size, pick write |
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| 23:45.07 | deepy | Did I miss anything there? |
| 23:46.44 | MindWarper | cant i use ssl to connect to freenode ? |
| 23:47.02 | deepy | pipeline: did I? |
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| 23:48.05 | ailo | ThePub: What do you mean with html setups, and I'm sure my question is silly. Is html5 setups done on the website, the browser or both? |
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| 23:48.40 | Jordan_U | ailo: Both. |
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| 23:49.45 | Jordan_U | ailo: To use HTML5 video the website must be serving HTML5 video content and you must be using an HTML5 capable browser. |
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| 23:51.34 | [--a_syd_guy--] | jhutchins. can you Please pvt me |
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| 23:52.17 | [--a_syd_guy--] | if you're not busy that is? |
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| 23:56.45 | thewanderer1 | any reason why `harden-servers` conflicts with vsftpd? vsftpd sounds like it's secure... |
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| 23:58.01 | its-me-again | hi all just wanting to know where default walpaper files are kept |
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| 23:58.17 | thewanderer1 | /usr/share/wallpapers |
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| 23:59.51 | nsadmin | , versions libvirt |
| 23:59.52 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libvirt' was found in i386. |
| 23:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ftp is inherently insecure. |