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| 00:02.37 | nsadmin | I'm wondering what effect an upgraded policykit and libpolkit would have on a lenny box... what are the specific implications? |
| 00:04.00 | IceWewe | jhutchins_lt, the fact that sata_mv isn't built into the debian kernel means I should buy different hardware? I'm sorry, life doesn't operate that way. |
| 00:04.38 | nsadmin | what's sata_mv? |
| 00:05.17 | nsadmin | IceWewe, but life can operate this way: less hassle if you check before buying hardware |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | IceWewe: it's a module .. fix your initramfs |
| 00:05.53 | IceWewe | abrotman, when I installed lenny, it didn't boot. |
| 00:05.59 | IceWewe | compiling my own kernel fixed that. |
| 00:06.05 | IceWewe | not magic. |
| 00:06.21 | nsadmin | well support for your kernel rests with the person who built it |
| 00:06.36 | IceWewe | nsadmin, the fact that dpkg is freaking out over an underscore character is ridiculous. |
| 00:06.51 | IceWewe | an underscore in a kernel name is not uncommon, so I find it hard to believe that dpkg really has a problem with this. |
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| 00:06.58 | nsadmin | an underscore in what? |
| 00:07.28 | nsadmin | in the version string? bad juju. |
| 00:07.32 | IceWewe | "<IceWewe> an underscore in a kernel name is not uncommon, so I find it hard to believe that dpkg really has a problem with this." |
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| 00:07.57 | IceWewe | Thanks for all your help, really. I'll just use Gentoo for this project. |
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| 00:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | We'd be very happy if you would. |
| 00:08.27 | nsadmin | !next |
| 00:08.27 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | he said squeeze above .. didn't he ? |
| 00:08.44 | frikinz | Stupid reaction for one single disagrement.. |
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| 00:09.07 | nsadmin | it's his choice... but yes, the attitude is telling |
| 00:09.37 | jhutchins_lt | He's gonna LOVE gentoo. |
| 00:09.55 | nsadmin | if he wanted to argue instead of edit the kernel makefile... that's up to him |
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| 00:13.29 | nsadmin | what depends on policykit and its lib? is there any connection to kernels? |
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| 00:16.20 | Chris___ | abrotman: no, gave up and decided to play SC:2 instead |
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| 00:17.45 | abrotman | okay ythen |
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| 00:35.02 | LemensTS | i have like 30 .deb packages I want to put in "pool" on Debian 5, then rip it to an iso so i do not have to download them. Is there an easy way to add them to Packages and Releases? |
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| 00:40.57 | frikinz | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto --> dpkg-scanpackages arguments | gzip -9c > Packages.gz |
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| 00:42.37 | frikinz | dunno for releases; i never generated it iirc |
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| 00:44.24 | katsrc | hi |
| 00:44.41 | katsrc | is there a KDE version of Synaptic? |
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| 00:45.35 | gtklocker | hi, I got a VPS with debian. Any idea how to destroy kerberos? |
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| 00:47.46 | abrotman | katsrc: adept, but i don't think it's maintained anymore ? |
| 00:48.03 | katsrc | abrotman: what about KPackageKit? |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | oh, it's gone .. adept is |
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| 00:48.40 | abrotman | never used it |
| 00:49.30 | katsrc | abrotman: Oh, ok. Thanks for your input. |
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| 00:52.02 | atula | #join #django |
| 00:54.39 | nsadmin | no, it's #djoin #jango |
| 00:56.03 | tharkun | Gentlemen i know it is extremely ot. I need to discuss about MS licensing not on a linux environment but on a more international law environment. Is #debian-legal the place, If so on what network it is located? |
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| 00:57.16 | babilen_ | tharkun: mailing list iirc |
| 00:57.54 | tharkun | babilen: thx, I'll google more on the subject |
| 00:58.18 | babilen | http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | it's not debian-legal related either .. |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | not even close |
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| 01:03.01 | thewanderer1 | is there a networking channel? |
| 01:03.17 | nsadmin | such as #networking? |
| 01:03.19 | dvs | dating? ;-) |
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| 01:03.35 | thewanderer1 | oh networking |
| 01:03.47 | nsadmin | or you want to meet donald trump and brian tracy |
| 01:03.51 | thewanderer1 | I couldn't remember the name, kept trying #net and #network , thanks |
| 01:03.57 | phogg | in the real world we call that "socializing" not networking |
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| 01:04.09 | thewanderer1 | phogg: I prefer to network. thanks |
| 01:04.25 | phogg | thewanderer1: it's just a bad word for the same thing |
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| 01:04.33 | phogg | not bad as in dirty, just as in not very good |
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| 01:08.13 | phorce1 | jordanm: that's cute. I did an aptitude install of 2.6.32-bpo.5 but haven't had a chance yet to set up installing the nVidia drivers so I haven't reboted into the new kernel yet .... the ethernet card started working again anyway |
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| 01:26.33 | kaste | just missing a module? |
| 01:30.39 | OnTheRock[A] | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 10 minutes |
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| 01:32.04 | abrotman | !tell OnTheRock[A] about away |
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| 01:33.08 | phorce1 | kaste: no, it's a buggy module. It'll probably crap out again later. 2 cards using the same module. One was working and the other not. It was throwing "unable to allocate memory" errors or some such whe I tried to ifup it. |
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| 01:58.40 | nick_h | any idea where the MySQL history file for the "debian-sys-maint" user is? |
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| 02:00.26 | Flawless | Hey. I've trying running Xen 4.0 on Squeeze, but the server fails in a pretty weird way. It hangs when I boot it, unless I press a key. Every time I press a key, I get a little bit more of the boot process finished |
| 02:00.35 | Flawless | Also, keyboard repeat does not work |
| 02:00.59 | Flawless | and things are generally slow, and the keyboard generally skips and repeats characters. It's very strange |
| 02:01.01 | Flawless | any ideas? |
| 02:01.08 | Flawless | Without xen hypervisor, everything is peachy |
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| 02:04.34 | thewanderer1 | Flawless: try KVM :P |
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| 02:05.02 | thewanderer1 | or at least full virt under Xen-KVM |
| 02:05.20 | Flawless | thewanderer1: This is the dom0! |
| 02:05.31 | Flawless | thewanderer1: I never got as far as a domu |
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| 02:05.38 | Flawless | thewanderer1: xen was working perfectly on lenny |
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| 02:11.13 | Flawless | anyone? |
| 02:11.46 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
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| 02:12.01 | thewanderer1 | so you're running a patched kernel with Dom0 support |
| 02:12.27 | thewanderer1 | do you have a PS/2 keyboard? |
| 02:12.31 | Flawless | thewanderer1: usb |
| 02:12.40 | Flawless | thewanderer1: it was the -xen-amd64 kernel, yes |
| 02:12.44 | thewanderer1 | so I don't think this is interrupt-related |
| 02:12.45 | Flawless | thewanderer1: running under the hypervisor |
| 02:13.14 | Flawless | thewanderer1: funny you should say that. I was suspecting something interrupt-related. Why are you saying it's not? |
| 02:13.27 | thewanderer1 | USB doesn't seem to use interrupts |
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| 02:13.36 | Flawless | thewanderer1: I'm pretty sure the controller does |
| 02:14.02 | thewanderer1 | sure, but the keyboard is polled |
| 02:14.06 | Flawless | o rly? |
| 02:14.13 | thewanderer1 | to the best of my knowledge |
| 02:14.19 | Flawless | surely you just? ;) |
| 02:14.20 | Flawless | jest* |
| 02:14.30 | Flawless | that would require insane amounts of wakeups/sec |
| 02:14.39 | thewanderer1 | that's what USB enemies say :) |
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| 02:15.03 | thewanderer1 | have you tried an PS/2 keyboard and compared that? |
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| 02:15.30 | Flawless | No ps2 on that server |
| 02:15.35 | thewanderer1 | hm, ok |
| 02:15.36 | Flawless | brand new HP DL160 g6 |
| 02:15.55 | thewanderer1 | all servers really should have PS/2... USB fails in so many ways :P |
| 02:16.03 | Flawless | I know, but alas |
| 02:16.09 | Flawless | I was surprised, too |
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| 02:17.51 | edbian | Is there any legal danger of seeding illegal torrent files? |
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| 02:18.02 | edbian | Or is it only downloaders that get in trouble? |
| 02:18.20 | Flawless | edbian: the real problem is that people will sue you over anything |
| 02:18.31 | edbian | Flawless: mhmm |
| 02:18.35 | Flawless | edbian: and if people get sued, "guilt" is much less important than "enourmeous lawyer bills" |
| 02:18.40 | Flawless | edbian: even if you are 100% innocent |
| 02:18.42 | thewanderer1 | edbian: it largely depends on your local law |
| 02:18.48 | trebuchet | edbian: Both. In fact you're in more danger probably, as seeders are on the torrent for prolonged periods(for which they can scrape for IPs to sue. |
| 02:18.48 | Flawless | edbian: so whatever you do, legal or not, don't get sued |
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| 02:19.08 | Flawless | edbian: I'd recommend the excellent package blockcontrol for a PeerGuardian-like alternative for linux |
| 02:19.37 | trebuchet | edbian: Invest some money in a vpn and a seedbox. Access the seedbox from that VPN. Maybe pay for both with bitcoins or something. |
| 02:19.48 | thewanderer1 | Flawless: I have yet to try Xen... for now I have no idea where the issue stems from |
| 02:19.51 | edbian | what is bitcoins? |
| 02:20.13 | Flawless | thewanderer1: ok, thanks :) |
| 02:20.18 | thewanderer1 | Flawless: they *could* be USB events delivered to the kernel connected to some buggy CPU idle implementation... |
| 02:20.33 | thewanderer1 | but check Xen bugzillas and other dinosaurs for hints |
| 02:20.41 | Flawless | thewanderer1: yeah, I'm talking to a guy on ##xen right now, suggesting pretty much the same thing |
| 02:20.57 | Flawless | thewanderer1: I've tried, but man it's a lot of information to sort through |
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| 02:54.37 | jimmybgood | just upgraded to squeeze and a cancer is eating my desktop. three times window contents have become all white and the window no longer responds to clicks. what's going on? |
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| 03:02.32 | abrotman | jimmybgood: which windows may be relevant |
| 03:03.05 | PizzaPlanet | WINDOWS VISTA |
| 03:03.17 | jimmybgood | the first was an ancient dockapp, wmbutton, then it was aumix-gtk |
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| 03:06.33 | PizzaPlanet | Hello, Parsifal. |
| 03:06.57 | Parsifal | Hello, PizzaPlanet. |
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| 03:07.14 | PizzaPlanet | Hello, cyzie |
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| 03:07.34 | PizzaPlanet | Hello, MadViking |
| 03:07.36 | peregrinator_six | hi. :0 |
| 03:07.40 | peregrinator_six | :) |
| 03:07.43 | PizzaPlanet | <3 |
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| 03:13.31 | abrotman | bot? |
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| 03:23.26 | tharkun | abrotman: thx you were right it wasn't even a #debian-legal question. I had a drink with a lawyer friend and slaped me in the right direction. |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | doesn't know why you had to ask a lawyer either ... |
| 03:25.03 | abrotman | IANAL, seemed like common sense it wasn't a debian-legal question :) |
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| 03:25.57 | tharkun | I had 3 reasons. 1.- He is my friend. 2.- It is the last tuesday of the month (we usually take a drink) 3.- I felt like it :) |
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| 03:26.49 | tharkun | And as allways. Asking a lawyer "before" dealing with Microsoft plays good dividends |
| 03:26.57 | tharkun | s/plays/pays/ |
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| 03:28.06 | tharkun | karlpinc: Thx for the info on darcs. git is behaving ok and it seems you can pulled one heck of a lot of tricks if needed. :D |
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| 03:28.22 | tharkun | s/pulled/pull/ |
| 03:28.44 | tharkun | goes to fix his English verbs |
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| 03:55.57 | uriahheep | I am setting squeeze up with encrypted partitions, and when setting up filesystems up inside of them the only fs option I get is ext2. why wouldn't debian installer allow use of any other filesystems than ext2? |
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| 04:36.01 | Tony22 | i can't fully boot linux 10 debian live cd. gets to network screen, stops, no hdd activity, no cd activity. i alt+f2 to command prompt, startx and get xinit: no such file or directory. any ideas? |
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| 04:41.52 | Rusty1 | Tony22: the possibility that the cd didn't burn right should be considered |
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| 04:48.08 | thepro4ever | HELP!! I can't download the SB-AllSource.zip file with iceweasel from this site http://www.starstonesoftware.com/OpenGL/fourthEdition.htm , is there anything else I can do?? |
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| 04:50.22 | PizzaPlanet | Get Chromium |
| 04:50.25 | Rusty1 | thepro4ever: highlight the download link, copy link address, open terminal type:wget: paste |
| 04:50.30 | PizzaPlanet | It downloads files much better. |
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| 04:52.10 | gonzaloaf | hello, I'm mounting my hard disks using the /etc/fstab file, but every time that my system loads the disk names are assigned different that the last time, i.e. /dev/sda turns to /dev/sdb, that issue affect the mount point specified in the fstab file, how can I solve that problem? |
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| 05:03.36 | randy_ | I want o resign debian forum,but I don't know the question What is the middle number?: 0 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 05:03.54 | randy_ | I don't know it english |
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| 05:04.01 | mentor | randy_: There is no middle |
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| 05:04.23 | randy_ | mentor, what is the middle? |
| 05:04.38 | randy_ | mentor, I know middle school |
| 05:04.56 | mentor | What's your native language? |
| 05:05.58 | mentor | randy_: |
| 05:06.08 | randy_ | mentor, chinese,the deibna-cn in oftg has a few people |
| 05:07.19 | mentor | randy_: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ |
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| 05:08.58 | randy_ | mentor, I konw but it has 6 number ,it ask the average number? |
| 05:09.13 | mentor | Well, that is rather the question |
| 05:09.20 | mentor | It is somewhat ambiguoug |
| 05:09.21 | mentor | s |
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| 05:09.48 | mentor | randy_: I would not normally take that sentence to mean "what is the mean?" |
| 05:10.27 | PizzaPlanet | It could very well be the median |
| 05:11.04 | mentor | In which case there are some extraneous numbers in the question |
| 05:11.21 | randy_ | mentor, please tell me the question answer,why the debian forum install phpbb3-chinese package |
| 05:11.54 | mentor | randy_: "the debian forum2? |
| 05:11.57 | mentor | " |
| 05:12.20 | randy_ | mentor, yes,forums.debian.net |
| 05:12.39 | mentor | debian.net is not part of the Debian project |
| 05:12.45 | mentor | I cannot speak for them either |
| 05:13.06 | randy_ | mentor, oh,but does debian project have forum |
| 05:13.14 | mentor | I don't believe so |
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| 05:15.56 | gonzaloaf | hello, how can I find out the uddi identifier of all my hard disks? |
| 05:16.07 | randy_ | mentor, it means debian has no forum? |
| 05:16.17 | mentor | No |
| 05:16.23 | mentor | There's a mailing list |
| 05:17.11 | randy_ | mentor, ok,for our chinese,most people don't use mailing list~ |
| 05:17.26 | randy_ | mentor, even irc |
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| 05:18.58 | mentor | Maybe you should suggest that forums.debian.net install Chinese language support |
| 05:19.09 | mentor | randy_: |
| 05:20.24 | randy_ | mentor, I know,but I don't want to use forums.debian.net,becuse it don't belog to debian,by the way,irc has many channel but I don't waht chaanel can ask question |
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| 05:20.53 | mentor | randy_: To be honest, the relation between this channel and the Debian project is a little tenuous as well. |
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| 05:22.16 | randy_ | mentor, I know,the maillist is the best way |
| 05:22.37 | mentor | For being official. |
| 05:23.34 | randy_ | mentor, but another question,for us chinese,why all about linux chinese doc is vety little except ubuntu |
| 05:24.08 | mentor | I don't think we have many Chinese authors |
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| 05:27.55 | randy_ | mentor, but it's a problem,I tranlate ubuntu because it have chinese page,so I know how to begain work |
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| 05:30.42 | randy_ | mentor, even I don't use debian for this,but I want to use debian,because ubuntu is often halt(but much less than M$) |
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| 05:30.57 | mentor | halt? |
| 05:32.25 | PizzaPlanet | Freezing. |
| 05:35.09 | randy_ | mentor, may be this,but not shutdown,I can use SysRq |
| 05:35.29 | mentor | Hmmm |
| 05:35.44 | ScottG | Does anyone know of any programs for pulling videos off of DVDs? I have some DVDs that I'd like to watch on other devices. |
| 05:35.45 | mentor | Are you using any of the restricted drivers? |
| 05:36.02 | mentor | ScottG: You want a transcoder |
| 05:36.16 | ScottG | mentor: Probably |
| 05:36.25 | mentor | ScottG: You can just pull the files of the DVD directly |
| 05:37.29 | ScottG | mentor: They are all in VOB files |
| 05:37.55 | mentor | Yes |
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| 05:38.20 | mentor | I can play those from the hard disk |
| 05:38.33 | mentor | Does rather depend on your target host requirements |
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| 05:40.20 | randy_ | mentor, ScottG want is not obey rules |
| 05:40.44 | mentor | randy_: I'm sorry, I don't understand |
| 05:40.47 | ScottG | What? |
| 05:41.27 | randy_ | mentor, but chinese don't obey the law |
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| 05:41.58 | mentor | randy_: Er, in terms of software licensing? |
| 05:42.03 | randy_ | ScottG, do you have courate to disobey the law |
| 05:42.17 | randy_ | mentor, no,file licensing |
| 05:42.33 | mentor | randy_: For media? |
| 05:42.47 | ScottG | randy_: Yea I don't care. I own the DVDs in this case. I want to watch them on a device that's smaller than a DVD |
| 05:42.55 | randy_ | mentor, film compancy make us can't copy dvd |
| 05:43.49 | randy_ | ScottG, I often raw way to copy it,if the dvd has protect tech,may can't do in linx |
| 05:43.58 | mentor | I was making no comment on any licences he may require to perform the actions he is taking |
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| 05:45.58 | randy_ | mentor, I just care for this,because I know in foregin coutry it will be a big problem |
| 05:46.08 | mentor | Haha |
| 05:46.28 | mentor | randy_: Not as much as you think, I suspect |
| 05:47.32 | randy_ | mentor, tell ScottG the answer,I want know also,thoug chinese don't buy dvd and always down form inteenet |
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| 05:50.26 | randy_ | oh,I should go to class,bybe |
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| 05:51.29 | mentor | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.06 | Tony22 | is there a "dir /p" functional equivalent in linux? |
| 05:52.19 | Tony22 | i type apt-get search nvidia and it's too many pages |
| 05:52.28 | simonrvn | | less |
| 05:52.37 | simonrvn | apt-cache |
| 05:52.38 | Tony22 | thanks |
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| 05:53.16 | Tony22 | i'm trying to get mint-debian livecd booting. have network access, it stopped before install x and nvidia drivers |
| 05:53.32 | Tony22 | is there an all-encompassing command to install both? |
| 05:53.37 | Tony22 | that's recommended? |
| 05:55.17 | simonrvn | dunno, never dealt with mint... |
| 05:55.30 | simonrvn | ask them, not us |
| 05:56.02 | Tony22 | it's debian |
| 05:56.17 | Tony22 | and it's mint. they said ask you guys |
| 05:56.24 | Tony22 | i feel i'm getting the run-around |
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| 05:57.20 | mentor | Tony22: Well, technically /p would be "more" but don't do that |
| 05:57.44 | Tony22 | i did do it and it didn't recognize it |
| 05:58.24 | mentor | Tony22: Sorry, what exactly is the problem you are experiencing with your livecd? |
| 05:58.58 | mentor | You're running a livecd install? |
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| 06:00.11 | simonrvn | Tony22: erm, they're passing the buck. /p would be asking the listing of the directory p |
| 06:00.27 | simonrvn | !more |
| 06:00.27 | dpkg | [more] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). See also <less>. |
| 06:00.33 | simonrvn | !less |
| 06:00.33 | dpkg | [less] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. |
| 06:00.40 | Tony22 | yes. it hangs before starting x. x log is "vesa kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load" |
| 06:00.46 | simonrvn | blah, where's that less is more thing? |
| 06:00.51 | simonrvn | !less is more |
| 06:00.51 | dpkg | ...but less is already something else... |
| 06:00.56 | simonrvn | !lessmore |
| 06:01.00 | simonrvn | !less more |
| 06:01.07 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 06:01.22 | mentor | Tony22: So you've not actually started running the install? |
| 06:01.52 | Tony22 | ....then "falling back, no devices detected" hardware is nforce3 based and nvidia 6800gt |
| 06:01.55 | simonrvn | go in"safe mode" or vga mode or something |
| 06:02.15 | simonrvn | i imagine mint is using d-i... |
| 06:02.33 | Tony22 | i have net access, it just hangs up on regular and compatibility mode before installing, apparently, the graphical components |
| 06:03.55 | Tony22 | how do i do that without x installed or working? i could reboot but is there some sort of magical hotkey to boot into non-gui mode? |
| 06:04.30 | mentor | I'm not sure how this mint is but you can usauly change virtual consoles |
| 06:04.44 | mentor | To be honest, it does rather seem like this is the Mint bit of the system |
| 06:04.46 | Tony22 | i don't even need a gui for install but that's what it came with. i don't think. maybe i do. i'm kind of *nixically retarded |
| 06:05.32 | Tony22 | "this mint"? never heard of it? pretty popular. started out as an offshoot of ubuntu |
| 06:05.40 | simonrvn | well, they seem to have defaulted to the gui install... i'd just go grab the non-gui installer from *debian*'s repos and use that |
| 06:06.07 | simonrvn | you're asking #debian, after all |
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| 06:06.29 | Tony22 | it may be sacreligious to ask here but is there a good debain distro you guys would recommend that uses the testing repos? |
| 06:07.03 | mentor | I'm not exactly sure what you expect the answer to be, but I like Debian. |
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| 06:43.40 | Tony22 | ok, had to set the "nomodeset" parameter or otherwise it'd blank screen. seems a common issue |
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| 06:50.49 | minsa | My linux is running on usb hd. I touched the cable and now nothing is working except the existing ssh and processes running without needing anything from the hd. |
| 06:50.50 | minsa | " |
| 06:51.03 | minsa | "journal commit I/O error" is the message |
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| 06:51.47 | minsa | shake the disk again ? |
| 06:51.49 | minsa | :P |
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| 07:11.26 | jelly-hme | minsa: was the root filesystem on that device? |
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| 07:12.02 | jelly-hme | minsa: if it was, reset the machine; no easy way of getting out of that |
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| 07:16.36 | eft | I am working with Drupal. For Drupal 7 I need to recompile php5 --with-gd ie the version bundled with php5. What is the best way to do this while minimizing impact on other libs, apps etc? |
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| 07:23.20 | simonrvn | eft: no you don't, you install the gd module |
| 07:24.06 | eft | simonrvn: you mean the package with apt-get install php5-gd? |
| 07:24.23 | simonrvn | yes, there's a gd2 iirc |
| 07:24.35 | simonrvn | d2 too* |
| 07:24.56 | simonrvn | (or maybe it is v2...) |
| 07:26.00 | eft | simonrvn: you mean another package that includes the version GD bundled with php (as opposed to the default package provided by debian)? |
| 07:27.00 | simonrvn | install it already ;) |
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| 07:28.20 | eft | hmm not sure what you mean |
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| 07:28.59 | simonrvn | aptitude install php5-gd . do it, be happy. |
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| 07:29.27 | eft | already installed that but it's the wrong version apparently |
| 07:29.37 | jelly-hme | eft: what is the source of this bit of information "For Drupal 7 I need to recompile php5 --with-gd"? I believe simonrvn is disputing that. |
| 07:30.14 | simonrvn | oh wait.. |
| 07:30.46 | simonrvn | nm |
| 07:31.05 | simonrvn | aptc search php gd -- php5-gd - GD module for php5 |
| 07:31.13 | simonrvn | (other stuff too) |
| 07:31.38 | jelly-hme | simonrvn: yes, that's the one linking against system gd library, not the one in php sources with so slightly different API |
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| 07:32.18 | simonrvn | i thought it was the one from the sources |
| 07:32.46 | simonrvn | it is: Source: php5 |
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| 07:33.19 | simonrvn | did s/he restart the fcgi/apache/whatever for it to take? |
| 07:34.19 | eft | simonrvn: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237. Still an issue in php-5.2 I believe |
| 07:34.48 | jelly-hme | simonrvn: when gd source bundled with php5 is used in building php interpreter, the gd extension gains some functionality it doesn't have when php is built against standard gd |
| 07:35.09 | eft | like image rotation etc. |
| 07:36.01 | simonrvn | ah yes, the "problem" is that the system gd is secure, and the php one isn't, but has those extra functions. |
| 07:36.07 | jelly-hme | fsvo secure |
| 07:36.25 | simonrvn | well, yes, let's say less holes ;) |
| 07:36.37 | jelly-hme | I'll take "working" over "secure" any day that I need to get paid |
| 07:37.28 | simonrvn | would probably take half a day''s work for the php people to fix it (*without* losing functions) |
| 07:38.12 | jelly-hme | eft: it shouldn't be _too_ hard to rebuild php packages with --with-gd |
| 07:38.37 | jelly-hme | it would take 3-5 years for them not to do a thing about it |
| 07:38.47 | simonrvn | eft: it isn't; i did it not too long ago ;p (then let the upgrade happen, but whatever) |
| 07:40.30 | eft | hmm, I'm no expert - how can I ensure I still get 5.2 (not 5.3)? |
| 07:40.55 | simonrvn | don't need to be an expert |
| 07:41.05 | simonrvn | certainly isn't |
| 07:41.32 | jelly-hme | I won't ask why you didn't provide patches back to Debian! |
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| 07:41.54 | simonrvn | a one-liner? |
| 07:42.51 | jelly-hme | oh, I understood you fixed the code, not just did a rebuild\ |
| 07:43.46 | eft | well my expertise pretty much ends at apt-get install |
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| 07:45.37 | simonrvn | no no, if i did then certainly i'd submit the patch, but it would take 4 times longer than some people |
| 07:45.53 | simonrvn | would take me 4* |
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| 08:14.05 | homie | wtf, why does grup always get upgraded in squeeze ? |
| 08:14.54 | homie | i thought once it is installed, it doesn't have to be reinstalled or upgraded... |
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| 08:15.13 | minsa | jelly-hme: thnx |
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| 08:16.26 | cahoot | homie: squeeze not stable yet? |
| 08:17.03 | homie | err, no |
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| 08:17.10 | homie | afaik |
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| 08:17.50 | cahoot | maybe that's the reason? |
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| 08:18.31 | homie | ok |
| 08:18.59 | macrobat | homie: you mean you are getting new versions of grub? or that grub manages new kernels? |
| 08:19.36 | homie | i get new versions of grub |
| 08:20.19 | homie | and the grub version i got tells me, blocklists are unreliable, however i already have another grub on my mbr, so i install it in the root dev instead.... |
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| 08:20.43 | homie | ok done, no errors |
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| 08:35.00 | elik | I've been trying to avoid burning a DVD for hours, but I'm running out of options... I have a windows 7 recovery cd that I'd like to boot from. I've read about approximatly 5-10 different methods, but I haven't been able to boot from that darn iso from usb |
| 08:35.34 | elik | My latest attempt (a simple dd) left the device in a state unrecognizable by gparted... |
| 08:36.02 | elik | I found many tool to do something like that, but they all work from windows (and I'm trying to fix it from debian) |
| 08:36.05 | randy_ | elik, do you use driver support usb-cdrom |
| 08:38.02 | elik | randy_: hum, let me see |
| 08:38.32 | elik | randy_: what is that exactly? |
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| 08:38.51 | R1ck | any people here that manage > 100 Ubuntu/Debian servers? How do you manage updating all those servers? |
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| 08:39.54 | randy_ | elik, I know you want boot a iso form usb isn't it |
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| 08:40.13 | elik | randy_: precisely |
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| 08:42.15 | randy_ | elik, do you know usb production tool?if you bios don't support usb-cdrom you can use usb0hdd |
| 08:42.59 | randy_ | elik, you can write iso into a usb disk,and boot like a hdd,use dd to do this |
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| 08:45.35 | elik | randy_: you got me thinking I might change the emulation type |
| 08:45.35 | elik | randy_: trying that a be right back |
| 08:45.35 | elik | randy_: but I don't know about usb production tool |
| 08:46.44 | randy_ | elik, I don't how to said usb production tool in english |
| 08:47.07 | randy_ | elik, what emulation type you used |
| 08:47.11 | elik | say it in your favorite langage, I'll figure out :) |
| 08:47.16 | elik | randy_: it was auto |
| 08:47.26 | elik | randy_: forced to cdrom now |
| 08:47.34 | elik | randy_: seem to have done it |
| 08:48.05 | elik | randy_: a simple dd and a few tweaks in the bios is all I need, yarrr! |
| 08:48.16 | randy_ | elik, it show cdrom in os?tell me you if your bios support usb-cdrom? |
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| 08:48.38 | randy_ | elik, what you first boot set |
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| 08:48.56 | elik | randy_: it seems like I'm currently booting from usb. I do have usb-cdrom emulation in my bios. It was set to auto before |
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| 08:50.22 | randy_ | elik, may be this time you should force biso first boot to usb-cdrom,cdrom or removeable(depend on you biso) |
| 08:50.57 | elik | randy_: that's what I did, It's slow, but it's already much better than before (simply fell back to grub) |
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| 08:53.20 | randy_ | elik, I don't understand your problem,because my native language is not language |
| 08:53.28 | randy_ | elik, I don't understand your problem,because my native language is not english |
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| 08:54.51 | fireba11 | hi, where are samba passwords stored on debian? |
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| 08:55.15 | randy_ | fireba11, you user password |
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| 08:56.16 | kaste | depends how you configured it fireba11 |
| 08:56.26 | kaste | possibly /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 08:56.28 | fireba11 | what's the default? |
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| 08:56.41 | trukosh | Hi, for our raidcontroller module aacraid is used. How can i find out which version of the upstream driver it is based on? |
| 08:56.56 | fireba11 | kaste: nope, that file does not exist |
| 08:57.13 | kaste | why don't you read /etc/samba/smb.conf and look for passdb backend |
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| 08:58.33 | randy_ | elik, you have a emulation usb-cdrom,and can't boot from it? |
| 08:58.44 | fireba11 | kaste: tried it doesn't say anything about where they are stored, only that system users are used but i kno i need to set up passwords with smbpasswd specifically ... |
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| 08:59.30 | elik | randy_: indeed |
| 08:59.52 | elik | randy_: I get a cursor, but it hangs there, I see the usb light flashing |
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| 09:00.30 | xingu | trukosh: try modinfo aacraid ? |
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| 09:01.11 | randy_ | elik, you problem is you have a emulation usb-cdrom,and can't boot from it? |
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| 09:01.19 | elik | randy_: yes |
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| 09:01.36 | trukosh | Thanks xingu! Works. |
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| 09:07.10 | randy_ | elik, does iso can boot |
| 09:07.30 | randy_ | elik, how do you write iso to usb disk |
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| 09:10.06 | elik | randy_: no, iso still cannot boot |
| 09:10.20 | elik | randy_: dd if=/my/iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 09:11.45 | randy_ | elik, if iso can't boot,of couse can't boot,and the way you write is a usb-hdd ,can't emulate as usb-cdrom |
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| 09:12.43 | elik | randy_: how should I write iso to usb? |
| 09:13.15 | Jordan_U | elik: unetbootin. |
| 09:13.34 | randy_ | elik, I said use usb production tool,and it as a true cd in OS,but a hdd |
| 09:14.02 | elik | Jordan_U: remember that I'm talking about booting a windows 7 recovery cd from usb |
| 09:14.13 | randy_ | Jordan_U, I said the true way,will see a a true cdrom |
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| 09:14.35 | Jordan_U | elik: Oh, no idea then. Sorry. |
| 09:14.38 | elik | Jordan_U: I tried unetbootin but I get error whenever I try to create the boot-usb |
| 09:14.58 | Jordan_U | elik: ##windows may be a better channel. |
| 09:15.15 | randy_ | elik, if only want to boot a iso file,use grub is best,I install win7 in this way |
| 09:15.23 | elik | Jordan_U: the issue is not windows, but the creation of a usb boot cd from linux |
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| 09:15.44 | elik | randy_: do you have a link? |
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| 09:15.49 | elik | randy_: I tried many ways |
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| 09:16.08 | randy_ | elik, yes the usb production tool should use in winxp,not vista and 7,linux has not such program,what you usb disk chip? |
| 09:16.10 | Jordan_U | elik: The issues with this particular problem are primarily related to windows, not linux. Even if you are making the USB from linux. |
| 09:16.28 | randy_ | elik, a chinese link do you want? |
| 09:16.44 | elik | randy_: hehe, let's see what I can get from it |
| 09:16.46 | Jordan_U | elik: And most of the users in ##windows also use linux anyway. |
| 09:16.51 | Jordan_U | *also |
| 09:17.08 | randy_ | Jordan_U, wait a moment |
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| 09:18.20 | tlchack5 | I installed debian on my laptop about a week ago and "iwl3945: could not read microcode -2" keeps randomly getting outputted to the screen in terminal (which has been getting more and more irritating) I've tracked down the issue to the driver with my broadcom wireless card but I can not figure out how to install the correct driver (ive tried like 3-4 different tutorials) or just disable the card so these errors stop. Any help would |
| 09:18.20 | tlchack5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.00 | randy_ | elik, different usb comtrol chip have different program,this http://dl.mydigit.net/2010/09/20.html is for PHISON usb chip |
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| 09:19.19 | randy_ | elik, you may can ask there http://bbs.mydigit.cn/thread.php?fid=87 |
| 09:19.37 | cahoot | tlchack5: you both a broadcom and an intel wifi? |
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| 09:20.24 | tlchack5 | cahoot: no... its an intel chipset tho. I'm fairly certain it is a broadcom wifi card although I may be mistaken |
| 09:20.25 | randy_ | elik, I should go home,today 12:00 bejing time ,I will here |
| 09:20.46 | elik | randy_: thank you very much for your time, appreciated |
| 09:20.53 | cahoot | tlchack5: lspci -nn | grep -i net might help elucidate |
| 09:21.49 | tlchack5 | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 09:22.00 | tlchack5 | cahoot: you are right, its an intel |
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| 09:23.46 | tlchack5 | is there a package that will install all my proprietary drivers for debian similar to what ubuntu has or should I go out and find and download them by hand? |
| 09:23.51 | cahoot | install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:24.19 | cahoot | might need non-free sources |
| 09:25.54 | tlchack5 | cahoot: alright, is there a way to just turn it off so it stops outputting error codes? |
| 09:26.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | blacklist the module probably |
| 09:26.28 | cahoot | why not fix the problem? |
| 09:27.09 | tlchack5 | *sighs* i guess I'll fix the problem lol |
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| 09:27.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | cahoot: unloading the module does fix it, unless he wants working wifi ;) |
| 09:28.05 | tlchack5 | cahoot: Thanks a million :-) |
| 09:28.50 | tlchack5 | Kamping_Kaiser: which is more complex? I just want to read the man pages right now and the wifi errors are getting irritating, |
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| 09:30.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | tlchack5: for me? you downloading the firmware, since cahoot told you how already :p |
| 09:30.46 | tlchack5 | :-) Fair enough lol |
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| 09:32.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 09:43.24 | tlchack5 | you guys are strait wizards, worked perfectly :-) thanks |
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| 09:46.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 09:57.06 | fireba11 | i found out that my samba uses the default passdb.tbd, how can i recreate that from passwd / shadow files? i can't just copy over the one from the old server since some system accounts have changed |
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| 09:57.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | fireba11: iirc there should be a set of smb* tools to help with that |
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| 10:02.11 | homie | why are there no motif headers in squeeze ? or -dev packages for the libs ? |
| 10:02.54 | Bushmills | libmotif-dev most likely |
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| 10:08.45 | homie | Bushmills: ok thank you, i thought that's only stable version |
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| 10:09.56 | jelly | ,versions libmotif-dev |
| 10:09.58 | judd | Package libmotif-dev on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.2.3-4; sid/non-free: 2.3.3-5; squeeze/non-free: 2.3.3-5 |
| 10:10.17 | jelly | ,versions lesstif2-dev |
| 10:10.19 | judd | Package lesstif2-dev on i386 -- etch: 1:0.94.4-2; lenny: 1:0.95.0-2.1; sid: 1:0.95.2-1; squeeze: 1:0.95.2-1 |
| 10:10.51 | jelly | homie: note that Open Motif isn't in Debian, just in the non-free repo. |
| 10:11.27 | homie | yep i saw it |
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| 10:19.17 | nsadmin | , versions policykit |
| 10:19.19 | judd | Package policykit on i386 -- lenny: 0.9-2 |
| 10:19.42 | nsadmin | , versions polkit |
| 10:19.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'polkit' was found in i386. |
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| 10:20.57 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.14 | nsadmin | oh thanks. |
| 10:21.52 | nsadmin | I need to ask some pretty specific questions... in the sid version what library version is generated? |
| 10:22.16 | nsadmin | also can I disable it needing any glib |
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| 10:27.45 | nsadmin | like, /usr/lib/libpolkit.so.2<--THIS.0.0 |
| 10:28.44 | nsadmin | I could go along this path or learn how to do net bridges |
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| 10:43.51 | `Assassin | Have any of you put Debian on a Kindle 3? |
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| 10:44.38 | dokma | can anyone take a look at the perms of /etc/modprobe.d/arch |
| 10:44.47 | dokma | I'm missing x flag on it for some reason.... |
| 10:46.53 | dokma | anyone? just a quick ls for me.... |
| 10:46.54 | cahoot | if it's any consolation I miss it totally |
| 10:47.08 | dokma | cahoot: talkin to me? |
| 10:47.12 | cahoot | yes |
| 10:47.19 | dokma | hmm... interesting... |
| 10:47.28 | dokma | I'll go try find out from which package it comes |
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| 10:49.07 | dokma | it's from module-init-tools |
| 10:49.17 | dokma | I guess I can download the package and extract it |
| 10:49.32 | dokma | is there any way to tell apt to recheck these things for a package? |
| 10:51.32 | dokma | yup... it's a 755... |
| 10:52.13 | dokma | I've found a number of these folders missing an x flag recently due to implementing an rsync backup which blocks on folders that do not have an x since it cannot read them... |
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| 10:52.33 | dokma | Now I'm wondering how did these permissions get messed up and is there a way to recheck them?? |
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| 10:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean... "miss" why should anything in modprobe.d be executable |
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| 10:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sub-directories? |
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| 10:58.10 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: it's on directories |
| 10:58.22 | dokma | so without an x rsync cannot read their contents |
| 10:58.25 | omid8bimo | hey anybody knows how to solve this error "cache is full, dropping node" ? |
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| 10:58.32 | dokma | and I get an error in backup log |
| 10:59.25 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know if there is a way to tell apt to recheck file permissions for a particular package? |
| 11:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | reinstall it? |
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| 11:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't see that in any package in squeeze |
| 11:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you just change permissions? |
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| 11:07.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | dokma: try debsums |
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| 11:08.19 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: the thing is now I don't know if there are some other folders from other packages that have messed up permissions |
| 11:08.29 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: so I would like to recheck for all packages... |
| 11:08.41 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: I did change the perms for this on particular folder |
| 11:08.52 | dokma | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks for that... let me check |
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| 11:27.28 | Cim | Hi |
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| 11:28.59 | Cim | My WiFi working now but I have next question, my camera in EeePC 1000 is always starting on boot. How to disable it? |
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| 11:43.42 | pythoned | Hi, I'm doing an upgrade of grub-common and grub-pc....terminal shows:"Installing new version of config file /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub ..." but it just stays like that.Why? |
| 11:44.41 | rozie | what do you mean 'stays like that'? |
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| 11:45.20 | pythoned | rozie: I mean the line in the terminal keeps blinking for like 6 minutes....it doesn't move forward in installing the update. |
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| 11:45.42 | rozie | strange. made it today on 3 machines without problem |
| 11:45.53 | rozie | I'd break and start once again |
| 11:46.30 | tlchack5 | what directory can I find the source files for the commands in /bin? Does that come pre-packed with debian? |
| 11:47.08 | dokma | This is starting to worry me a bit. My /tmp is all of a sudden drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 12288 2010-12-29 12:40 . |
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| 11:47.18 | dokma | and now noone other than root can write to it.... |
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| 11:47.53 | dokma | what are the proper perms for /tmp ?? |
| 11:48.49 | tlchack5 | dokma: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg00646.html |
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| 11:49.37 | tlchack5 | dokma: or you can log in as root and type chmod 1777 /tmp in the terminal. should accomplish the same thing |
| 11:49.52 | dokma | tlchack5: that's what I just did |
| 11:50.04 | tlchack5 | dokma: then you are fine :-) |
| 11:50.04 | dokma | but what worries me is that just a few moments ago it was fine |
| 11:50.12 | dokma | what changed it? |
| 11:51.28 | tlchack5 | what have you done between now and when they were normal? |
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| 11:58.10 | dokma | Anyone got any pearls of wisdom to explain why my folder permission change seemingly randomly... I just can't explain how my /tmp folder went from 1777 to 755 |
| 11:58.19 | dokma | or any of the ones that lost x flag... |
| 11:58.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | dokma: you got rooted? |
| 11:58.53 | dokma | Kamping_Kaiser: how would I know that... |
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| 11:58.58 | dokma | and easy checks? |
| 11:59.27 | dokma | any easy checks? |
| 11:59.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | dokma: you can try rkhunter, but if you've been compromised it may be compromiised... |
| 11:59.58 | dokma | I already run rkhunter |
| 12:00.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | dokma: if you're running an out of date exim 4.69 you may have been bitten by the recent crack |
| 12:00.07 | dokma | for a year or so |
| 12:00.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | (check security list) |
| 12:00.24 | dokma | ahhh... I do run exim... |
| 12:00.27 | dokma | let me check |
| 12:00.51 | dokma | and it's a 4.69 |
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| 12:02.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/en650/details_of_the_root_kit_that_go is the one i'm talking about |
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| 12:06.41 | dokma | Kamping_Kaiser: I've got none of those symptoms and I've upgraded exim this morning |
| 12:06.56 | dokma | I suppose those were the patches for that hole |
| 12:07.13 | dokma | so I seem to be on the safe side... |
| 12:07.24 | dokma | but still lack an explanation of what chmods my folders |
| 12:08.16 | dokma | luckily my system is stripped to bare naked necessities |
| 12:08.29 | dokma | no compiler, assembler, linker or any of the usual system tools |
| 12:09.07 | dokma | the only thing that runs on it is apache mysql, php, exim and dovecot |
| 12:09.17 | dokma | and ssh of course |
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| 12:09.51 | f00li5h | meow! |
| 12:09.59 | f00li5h | where are the debian perl critters at? |
| 12:10.36 | f00li5h | I expect so. |
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| 12:15.24 | kaste | wouldn't a rootkit that takes away permissions on a folder seem uh off? |
| 12:15.46 | kaste | I'm hard pressed to find an advantage for it in doing this |
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| 12:22.22 | dokma | kaste: you're absolutely right |
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| 12:23.05 | dokma | perhaps I just caught them in some initial phase of the exploit |
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| 12:23.12 | dokma | because I upgraded exim today |
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| 12:23.23 | dokma | and I noticed the perms change today also.... |
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| 12:23.29 | dokma | it's hard to tell |
| 12:23.34 | dokma | rkhunter reports nothing |
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| 12:25.08 | petemc | dokma: try debsums |
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| 12:26.22 | dokma | petemc: I'm on it |
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| 12:28.47 | terrorpup | morning, is there a way to find what packages are install on one machine so I can install the same ones on another so they are both the same |
| 12:28.54 | petemc | !aptitude clone |
| 12:28.55 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>. |
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| 12:35.11 | terrorpup | petemc, thank you sir |
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| 12:35.52 | petemc | np |
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| 12:51.58 | ElDiabolo | It seems my /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf is ignored. Any hints on how to debug this? |
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| 13:03.29 | koskoz | hi guys |
| 13:03.46 | koskoz | i've got permission problem with apache and vsftpd and stuff like that |
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| 13:04.23 | koskoz | when I upload a file using vsftpd, the file is in 600 and belongs to user:user |
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| 13:04.35 | koskoz | so apache tells me : You don't have permission to access /test.html on this server. |
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| 13:06.09 | koskoz | I try to change the group of the file using chown, but I havn't rights to do that. I'm wondering why since i'm log in "koskoz" and the file belongs to "koskoz:koskoz" ?? |
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| 13:06.28 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/u0PuRiD6 - wtf? :/ |
| 13:06.46 | Pinchiukas | Now I try to purge the package but it asks me for a password and it fails again. |
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| 13:07.04 | ethanol | ok, so why is debian still using ifconfig? |
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| 13:08.19 | ElDiabolo | koskoz: The easy way out is chmod 644. |
| 13:08.26 | sep | koskoz, you can change your file's rights but you can not change group to a group you are not a member of |
| 13:09.02 | koskoz | sep, oh, ok |
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| 13:09.34 | sep | ethanol, or you can use iproute (your choice) |
| 13:09.42 | Nepherius | Anyone here using AWN ? |
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| 13:09.50 | ethanol | sep: yes, but /etc/network/interfaces is still the default and relies on ifconfig :, |
| 13:09.53 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:10.03 | ElDiabolo | koskoz: You could add www-data to the group koskoz and do a chmod 640 . |
| 13:10.04 | Pinchiukas | Anyone wanna tell me why I can't install completely or remove mysql? |
| 13:10.05 | koskoz | ElDiabolo, but how can I set up this autoatically with vsftpd ? |
| 13:10.13 | koskoz | ElDiabolo, I heard of umask |
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| 13:10.35 | ElDiabolo | koskoz: Unfortunately I don't know anything bout vsftpd |
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| 13:11.02 | ethanol | Pinchiukas: check your syslog for the errors it encountered |
| 13:11.46 | sep | ethanol, why is this a problem ? |
| 13:12.02 | ethanol | sep: ifconfig is old and deprecated. not to mention flawed :< |
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| 13:14.37 | Pinchiukas | ethanol: this is what I see in syslog: http://pastebin.com/kBu27ymM . |
| 13:14.41 | mirak | hello |
| 13:14.46 | mirak | I have a line like "blabla foobar eventX blabla" where X is a number. I searching a way to extract this number ? |
| 13:15.02 | koskoz | I really don't understand, vsftpd has a umask set to 022, so the files should be set to 755 right ? |
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| 13:15.07 | ethanol | Pinchiukas: brb, time to play some pool |
| 13:15.09 | mirak | I can't figure how, with hawk |
| 13:15.53 | ElDiabolo | Any hints on how to debug PolicyKit? |
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| 13:16.53 | sep | ethanol, migrations take time ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535850 |
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| 13:19.15 | Pinchiukas | Anyone wanna help me with this mysql-5.1 package? This is what I can see in syslog: http://pastebin.com/kBu27ymM |
| 13:20.31 | balau | I'm packaging a program containing CHANGELOG.txt and lintian complains with wrong-name-for-upstream-changelog tag. What's a good practice to rename the file to "changelog"? |
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| 13:21.14 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: |
| 13:22.22 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: I missed your problem. Seems your mysqld can't bind to port 3306. |
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| 13:24.12 | Pinchiukas | ElDiabolo: where do you get THAT? |
| 13:24.48 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: 15:14:07 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 13:24.56 | Pinchiukas | No. |
| 13:26.08 | nsadmin | well I got it going. I've been struggling for days to get a squeeze netinstall to run under kvm/qemu using virt-manager to define everything except the network bridge, which I got going from reading http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking#Bridged_networking_.28aka_.22shared_physical_device.22.29 |
| 13:27.07 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: Then why does your log say that? ps aux | grep mysql |
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| 13:27.38 | Pinchiukas | ElDiabolo: which line? |
| 13:28.03 | Pinchiukas | Found it. |
| 13:28.03 | slidesinger-lt | Trying to compile a 2.4 kernel from sources on squeeze for my RAM challenged laptop. I haven't done this in awhile and currently getting an error of /bin/sh: /sbin/genksyms: not found I already installed the build-essential package, which is all I have needed to compile kernels in the past. |
| 13:28.06 | slidesinger-lt | Using the package search tools finds /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-2.6.32/scripts/genksyms/genksyms, but it does not appear to be the same thing. The error seems to be well documented on the net, but I have yet to find a solution for this. Does anyone know what this genksyms:is and where I might obtain it? |
| 13:28.19 | Pinchiukas | Maybe the script is starting two instances of mysql, I don't know. |
| 13:28.20 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: 31 |
| 13:29.30 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: what does ps aux | grep mysql say? |
| 13:29.38 | Pinchiukas | Nothing. |
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| 13:32.47 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: What is your actual problem? You want to remove the mysql server package? |
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| 13:34.07 | Pinchiukas | ElDiabolo: I was trying to install it, actually. |
| 13:34.34 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: lenny? |
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| 13:35.52 | Pinchiukas | ElDiabolo: squeeze. |
| 13:36.19 | ElDiabolo | Pinchiukas: Need go go to buy some xplosives for my kids now, sorry. |
| 13:37.03 | Pinchiukas | lol |
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| 13:39.46 | Pinchiukas | Anybody else? :/ |
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| 13:48.14 | zand | how can I get the source for the kernel I am running, which is 2.6.26-2-amd64 ... linux-source-2.6.26 package doesn't match that version? |
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| 13:54.57 | ethanol | zomg kernel panic. where can I find the log/cause? |
| 13:56.05 | slidesinger-lt | Finally found out it is modutils and that modutils is kernel specific. Maybe I should have left my laptop on etch, heh. |
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| 13:56.39 | Pinchiukas | Oh f me! Managed to purge all the packages and tried to install again only to get the same errors. |
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| 13:57.27 | Psi-Jack | I'm trying to make a local ftpsync mirror of Debian 5, but ftpsync isn't getting /anything/. |
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| 13:59.38 | ethanol | l |
| 13:59.52 | Tau | hey. i want to turn on a webcam with amsn. the people who wants to turn on the webcam simply can't cause she tells that my amsn version is too old. |
| 13:59.56 | Tau | how could i solve it |
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| 14:02.11 | nsadmin | Tau: face it, she wants a younger version... |
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| 14:02.59 | Tau | nsadmin, lol |
| 14:03.26 | nsadmin | you should go ... install ... ten other, erm, softwares |
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| 14:05.12 | Tau | nsadmin, i will. |
| 14:05.17 | Tau | i'm trying emesene. |
| 14:05.42 | Psi-Jack | Anyone know how to mirror debian's repositories, so I have a local copy of them? |
| 14:05.44 | nsadmin | right now I'm working on installing android app development kit |
| 14:05.57 | Tau | nsadmin, k |
| 14:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | now what's that an anagram of..... but you got a couple of "e" too many |
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| 14:06.27 | Pinchiukas | So why the f is mysql not installing?! |
| 14:06.40 | Psi-Jack | Pinchiukas: Ask f |
| 14:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Psi-Jack -about mirror |
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| 14:07.26 | Psi-Jack | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. I'm trying to use ftpsync already, which is downloading absolutely /nothing/. |
| 14:07.38 | LemensTS | is there a way to display a custom message at the end of a debian installation? I am creating my own iso and it has a preseed file too |
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| 14:09.37 | Tau | lol |
| 14:09.41 | Tau | it still doesn't work. |
| 14:09.43 | Tau | the emesne. |
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| 14:13.47 | Psi-Jack | Bleh. I hate botted unhelpful responces. If ya don't know, don't tell a bot to answer for ya. :p |
| 14:15.35 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: in general, you'd probably want to use a proxy, not mirror the whole thing |
| 14:15.45 | Psi-Jack | Nop. |
| 14:15.59 | Psi-Jack | I want to mirror the i386 and amd64 repos completely. |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | all versoins of debian ? |
| 14:16.24 | Psi-Jack | The actual system doing the syncing isn't a Debian system either, hence why I'm wanting to use the recommended method of rsyncing. |
| 14:16.32 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: No, just 5, presently, until 6 is out. |
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| 14:16.48 | abrotman | right, use a proxy |
| 14:16.52 | Psi-Jack | No |
| 14:17.14 | Psi-Jack | I /want/ to use an rsync mirror approach, as I keep saying. |
| 14:17.40 | nsadmin | because? what would be the difference in results? |
| 14:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Psi-Jack, so what did you do to find out why that is? And it's the SISA principle... you ask vague, you get vague answers? |
| 14:17.50 | Nepherius | Anyone here managed to use AWN and dockbarx on debian ? |
| 14:17.54 | Psi-Jack | nsadmin: Again: Storage server is NOT RUNNING DEBIAN! |
| 14:18.03 | Psi-Jack | hence, proxy method will not suffice. |
| 14:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, excitement |
| 14:18.16 | petemc | Psi-Jack: had a read of http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror ? |
| 14:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 14:18.31 | nsadmin | this storage server, what has access to writing on it? |
| 14:18.32 | Psi-Jack | petemc: That's where I'm stuck at, ftpsync downloads nothing. |
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| 14:18.40 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: uhm, you could mount the proyy's storage over nfs/samba/whatever ? |
| 14:18.49 | Psi-Jack | nsadmin: It does. |
| 14:19.10 | nsadmin | the storage server has access to the storage server? |
| 14:19.28 | ScottG | What would you recommend ripping DVDs to, MP4 or MKV? |
| 14:19.46 | petemc | whatever the player you plan to play them back with best supports |
| 14:19.48 | Psi-Jack | Yep. It provides CIFS and iSCSI targets and FTP for the repositories. |
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| 14:20.09 | ScottG | petemc: There aren't any other significant differences? |
| 14:20.31 | petemc | not really, depends on the code you plan to use |
| 14:20.31 | nsadmin | well... whatever. obviously you're going to do whatever... and not consider the fact the mirror bandwidth is both -expensive- and -donated- |
| 14:20.43 | petemc | codec |
| 14:21.08 | ScottG | Then which has the most player support on average? |
| 14:21.21 | petemc | probably mp4 |
| 14:21.22 | Psi-Jack | nsadmin: hence, rsync. It reduces the amount of bandwidth used, and I'm going with a secondary mirror at that, not the primary mirror for public mirrors. |
| 14:21.32 | nsadmin | not the first time |
| 14:21.34 | ScottG | Yea, that's what I thought too |
| 14:22.03 | abrotman | actually, the proxy would use the lsat bandwidth ... |
| 14:22.08 | abrotman | least |
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| 14:22.19 | nsadmin | with a proxy, you're installing only certain packages, and those are what get downloaded (once) |
| 14:22.33 | Psi-Jack | And also doesn't provide a full mirror that I want. |
| 14:22.39 | nsadmin | with rsync mirror, the first time you do it, you get the entire archive |
| 14:22.41 | raz | hmm, what pkg is missing/broken when commands like 'top' give me: 'xterm-256color': unknown terminal type. |
| 14:22.52 | Psi-Jack | Which is intended for use in installing debian vm guests from local repositories from my storage server. |
| 14:23.08 | Psi-Jack | Which ultimately will actually SAVE bandwidth by using the local mirror. :p |
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| 14:23.49 | petemc | raz: try installing ncurses-term |
| 14:23.56 | nsadmin | so each is going to install typically the same thing? |
| 14:24.06 | raz | ncurses-term is already the newest version. |
| 14:24.07 | raz | hmm |
| 14:24.21 | Psi-Jack | nsadmin: No, actually. |
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| 14:26.19 | sep | Psi-Jack, if you want to do installations a proxy will save you a lot more bandwith then a local mirror.. and you will need to install a heck of a lot of systems before you save bandwith with a local mirror . since the whole mirror is HUGE. ; i suspect you did something wrong when you edited ftpsync.conf ? |
| 14:26.23 | nsadmin | but some will be the same, like the base and the installer |
| 14:26.25 | petemc | raz: ncurses-base installed too? |
| 14:27.01 | raz | petemc: ah, that one was missing! thanks :) |
| 14:27.05 | raz | works fine now |
| 14:27.14 | petemc | np |
| 14:27.30 | Nepherius | So no one using AWN and dockbarx ? ..ofc that would had made things to easy for me :( |
| 14:27.51 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can help me install mysql-5.1? This is what I see in syslog: http://pastebin.com/kBu27ymM . |
| 14:28.08 | Psi-Jack | sep: Not as far as I know. I setup the bare minimums in it, used a Push-Primary mirror, and nothing. |
| 14:28.14 | nsadmin | why would a proxy not have access to the nas, but rsync would? |
| 14:28.31 | Psi-Jack | sep: Also setup arch restrictions, so it would only get the two I want, i386 and amd64 |
| 14:28.51 | nsadmin | and you'd need -all |
| 14:28.59 | sep | and all |
| 14:29.03 | sep | is about 150 gb |
| 14:29.30 | Psi-Jack | ARCH_EXCLUDE="alpha arm armel hppa hurd-i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mipsel mips s390 sh sparc" |
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| 14:30.19 | nsadmin | can you at least go to a uni that has a mirror with a tb drive |
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| 14:30.31 | nsadmin | rephrase |
| 14:30.43 | sep | and since you probably dont install 80% of it ever... you'r have to install some hundred machines before you save bandwith. and you would _allways_ save more bandwith with a proxy. and if you mirrored testing and unstable you'd waste much more bandwith then you'd ever manage to save. |
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| 14:31.04 | nsadmin | can you at least go to a uni which has a mirror, and you bring a tb drive |
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| 14:31.28 | Psi-Jack | Aha! |
| 14:31.35 | Psi-Jack | Figured out what was wrong. |
| 14:32.02 | Psi-Jack | I just forgot to set the RSYNC_PATH correctly. ;) |
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| 14:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew that all along |
| 14:32.46 | sep | and this is a the daily bandwith usage by a mirror... http://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png i can't even calculate the amount of machines you will have to install and the varying packages you will need to save this bandwith you consume in the mirror. |
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| 14:33.16 | masak | running a netinst image on VMWare Player. how do I enter the installer? all I get is a login prompt. |
| 14:33.37 | nsadmin | usage would be justified if about 10,000 people could install debian off of it |
| 14:34.14 | sep | basicaly what we are saying is... a local mirror will waste huge amount of bandwith. but it will speed up access if you dont pay for bandwith and dont pay fotr storage it's "neat" but dont imagine that you save bandwith since that's just false :) |
| 14:34.19 | kaste | well but those figures are for official mirrors |
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| 14:34.46 | kaste | i mean if they do a private mirror the only traffic is going to be the deltas from upstream and the local traffic |
| 14:35.01 | kaste | that should be orders of magnitude smaller |
| 14:35.41 | kaste | or am i missing something? |
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| 14:36.24 | efazati | i use gnome ... how i can move between workspace? from wokspace1 to 3 or 4 to 1 ? |
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| 14:37.16 | ali3n0 | efazati, ctrl+alt+left arrow |
| 14:37.40 | sep | depends on what he mirrors; unstable/testing changes a lot so there is a lot of deltas. ; and a proxy will allways save more bandwith then the mirror anyway. since the proxy can also use rsync. |
| 14:37.56 | efazati | ali3n0 i use this key binding but i want ignore workspace 2 |
| 14:38.10 | kaste | yeah sure |
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| 14:38.21 | efazati | this key go to workspace 2 then 3 ali3n0 |
| 14:38.34 | efazati | and cant go from 4 to 1 ali3n0 |
| 14:38.48 | ali3n0 | pretty sure you can configure any key shortcut you like |
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| 14:39.01 | ali3n0 | look into system->preferences->shortcuts |
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| 14:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaste, I think the main argument was that you're adding traffic to the existing mirrors if you set one up that isn't used by a lot of people |
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| 14:40.38 | kaste | i support that argument |
| 14:42.03 | sep | i wondwer how many % (of the total arch+all) a regular kde or gnome install uses out of debian. can't be much |
| 14:42.04 | sep | :) |
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| 14:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | easy enough to calculate... go ahead |
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| 14:45.59 | sep | just wonderingm not curious enough to actualy bother doing the job :) |
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| 14:47.41 | jelly | does wonderingm rhyme with phlegm? |
| 14:47.53 | kaste | my daily plea: Does anybody have experience with a mailing list manager that does multiple domains, has an idiot-safe web interface and can be moderated (not necessarily administered) fuly via email? |
| 14:48.11 | kaste | Preferably one that is in the tree |
| 14:48.21 | kaste | not a strict requirement though |
| 14:48.38 | jelly | sep: there's a simple way to check if you already have it installed -- try to remove it and see how much apt{,itude} says it's going to free |
| 14:49.50 | masak | any tips on how to enter the installer on a netinst image? all I get is a login prompt. |
| 14:50.51 | jelly | sep: sudo apt-get remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5 [...] After this operation, 588 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
| 14:51.33 | kaste | say yes please :) |
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| 14:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes please |
| 14:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | masak, not a grub prompt? |
| 14:58.02 | masak | I get a GRUB prompt first, yes. |
| 14:58.06 | masak | should I do something there? |
| 14:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the installer doesn't give you a login... no idea what you did to get that |
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| 14:58.44 | masak | if I just choose the first alternative in GRUB, I get the login prompt. |
| 14:59.17 | kaste | sure you are seeing the right grub? ;) |
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| 14:59.22 | kaste | happened to me before |
| 14:59.38 | masak | how would I know I'm seeing the right GRUB? |
| 15:00.08 | kaste | is there any other in you system that could interfere? old local paritions ... |
| 15:00.16 | kaste | other medium |
| 15:00.36 | masak | this is a freshly installed VMWare image. |
| 15:00.41 | kaste | hmm k |
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| 15:07.18 | kaste | doesn noone have a mailing list manager that doesn't suck? |
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| 15:09.52 | ali3n0 | kaste, what does suck with mailman? |
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| 15:10.52 | kaste | you can't properly moderate it via the web interface, I am sick of decoding quote-printable and mime myself, i would love to have a couple of lists of the same name but a different domain, ... |
| 15:11.02 | kaste | s/via/without/ |
| 15:11.29 | ali3n0 | got it |
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| 15:11.43 | kaste | apart from that, somehow the interaction of mailman with outlook screws up the encoding for the line endings |
| 15:12.14 | kaste | although i'd give mailman the benefit of the doubt and assume M$ screwed this on eup |
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| 15:12.24 | djura-san | o/ |
| 15:12.50 | kaste | From what I gather mailman 3 is the answer to my prayers but it's alpha and this is a production server :( |
| 15:13.01 | ali3n0 | I have some ml with mailman and so far I haven't got any problem, but they are very low traffic... and no M$ user too :) |
| 15:13.19 | kaste | apart from some features just being promised instead of implemented so far |
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| 15:14.56 | nsadmin | !install java |
| 15:14.56 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 15:15.46 | jelly | kaste: Mailman 2.1 has a fugly web interface, and can be patched to support multiple domains |
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| 15:16.37 | kaste | i know |
| 15:16.42 | kaste | but that is a kludge |
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| 15:17.14 | kaste | i am just wondering |
| 15:18.27 | kaste | I was under the impression that every once in a while whenever someone is sufficiently fed up with the situation they try to roll their own |
| 15:19.00 | kaste | most of it is crap but all good Open Source projects appear to have started that way |
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| 15:19.22 | uriahheep | hello |
| 15:19.24 | kaste | Is this task so much harder than any other that the solutions are still kludges? |
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| 15:20.28 | uriahheep | is it possible to use the graphical debian installer to only redo the grub setup? |
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| 15:21.24 | rozie | uriahheep: yes |
| 15:21.37 | rozie | uriahheep: not sure if graphical one, but it's the same CD |
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| 15:22.50 | maxorator | is there a way to list installed packages chronologically by install date? |
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| 15:24.52 | abrotman | maxorator: possibly something involving /usr/share/doc/ ? |
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| 15:25.32 | uriahheep | rozie, ok, thanks |
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| 15:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maxorator, not as such, but you have /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 15:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, huh? all files get the timestamps from the archive, no? |
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| 15:34.20 | maxorator | CutMeOwnThroat and abrotman, thanks, got it |
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| 15:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | how? |
| 15:35.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: okay .. use /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
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| 15:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the *.list files? |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | just asking! |
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| 15:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea how they're made... but mine at least all seem from this year |
| 15:37.58 | LemensTS | d-i preseed/late_command string cp /cdrom/options/easyitsp_install.sh /target what does /target mean, from googleing it seems it is /root/ |
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| 15:40.01 | nsadmin | there's not a "kde" to install in sqieeze? |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | it has a different meta |
| 15:40.29 | nsadmin | what's it called for a somewhat mimimal install |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 15:40.33 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4>. |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | !install kde4 |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" provide minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" installs everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 15:40.51 | abrotman | there we go! |
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| 15:41.35 | nsadmin | thanks much |
| 15:41.53 | abrotman | good thing they changed it to make it less confusing! |
| 15:42.11 | nsadmin | by changing it, huh? |
| 15:42.57 | uriahheep | rozie, i've decided to chroot into my new debian install to fix grub, but is there a page somewhere describing the debian way of setting it up? I believe I am missing a certain few key commands or parameters, as i'm more versed in grub1 than grub2 |
| 15:43.06 | nsadmin | I -don't- want to install an x server tho |
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| 15:43.14 | nsadmin | other than possibly xnest |
| 15:43.32 | kaste | kde without X Oo |
| 15:43.54 | nsadmin | it doesn't have access to hw anyway |
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| 15:44.38 | nsadmin | kaste: btw did you know that X is client/server? |
| 15:44.46 | kaste | sure |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | you just figured this out? |
| 15:44.53 | nsadmin | man X for details and a good read |
| 15:45.05 | kaste | i am just wondering what you are trying to achieve |
| 15:45.12 | kaste | is this some terminal server equivalent? |
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| 15:45.41 | nsadmin | oh, ok... happy to answer that... this is a kvm/qemu guest |
| 15:45.59 | kaste | ok |
| 15:46.15 | nsadmin | I'll be running the servers on the host |
| 15:47.17 | nsadmin | can aptitude search for all metapackages? |
| 15:48.42 | nsadmin | the damn thing was going to install every last x server on the planet... |
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| 15:51.23 | rozie | uriahheep: if you run install CD, there's rescue mode |
| 15:51.34 | macrobat | uriahheep: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
| 15:51.51 | rozie | if you want to fix from chroot, make sure you have /proc and /dev binded |
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| 15:59.44 | uriahheep | rozie, yeah I do have then binded ;-) |
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| 16:01.10 | uriahheep | ok so just running grub-install makes grub go into rescue mode upon reboot. |
| 16:02.46 | uriahheep | the error is unknown filesystem, so I guess grub on mbr doesn't know what partition the rest of grub is on. right? |
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| 16:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh drat... chromium adblock has dialogs that are in-page... and mine must be positioned somewhere outside the area of the visible page |
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| 16:15.03 | andrea | hi all :-) In etch we had 2.6.18-xen-vserver kernel images |
| 16:15.13 | andrea | is it still possible to have xen+vserver patches together in the lenny (2.6.26) or squeeze (2.6.32) kernel images? |
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| 16:15.41 | andrea | reading the Debian kernel docs I would assume the vserver patch is already included but if I run a 2.6-xen-amd64 image (lenny, eg) then my vserver guests don't start anymore inside the Xen domU... |
| 16:16.08 | petemc | i see linux-image-vserver-686-bigmem in squeeze |
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| 16:16.50 | andrea | petemc: i need linux-image-xen-vserver...etc.. :) |
| 16:17.05 | petemc | oh, yes |
| 16:17.13 | petemc | silly me, i thought xen was in there |
| 16:17.20 | andrea | but I can't find it, yes |
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| 16:17.54 | andrea | browsing the kernel mailing list I cannot find an answer to my same question... |
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| 16:29.22 | JyZyXEL | how do you see all the SATA block devices available to the system and which controllers are they on? |
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| 16:30.21 | JyZyXEL | or just all the block devices |
| 16:30.48 | dvs | JyZyXEL: blkid ? |
| 16:31.27 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't show all |
| 16:31.29 | petemc | hwinfo --block |
| 16:32.22 | JyZyXEL | is there a more pretty UI for this? |
| 16:32.26 | JyZyXEL | like ncurses based |
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| 16:38.36 | dokma | does a laptop use batery when it's plugged in and does it have anything at all with debian? |
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| 16:39.04 | alexis | hi, I'm insterested by python related packaging in debian, I've just found the python-apps-team mailing list, and it seems to be spamed, anyone having an idea of why, and how to avoid that ? |
| 16:39.14 | alexis | e.g. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/python-apps-team/2010-December/thread.html |
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| 16:46.33 | alexis | is there any special irc channel for python packaging, by any chance ? |
| 16:46.41 | alexis | I mean, python packaging related to debian |
| 16:46.47 | andrea | dokma: it shouldn't use the battery when plugged in. What do you mean with "anything at all with debian"? |
| 16:47.14 | dokma | andrea: I meant if there is a diff as to what OS is on the machine |
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| 16:49.33 | andrea | dokma: different OSs/distros may generally provide different programs/applet/ui to deal with the battery, but I would say that not using the battery when plugged-in is generally... distro independent :) |
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| 16:50.04 | dokma | andrea: yeah.... I just read the battery guide |
| 16:50.12 | dokma | I'll take the battery out.... |
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| 16:55.02 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Most people leave it in, it protects the system from power outages and accidentally unplugged cords. |
| 16:55.19 | dokma | that does not bother me much |
| 16:55.25 | dokma | I use my laptop as a dumb terminal |
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| 16:59.04 | andrea | dokma: :) |
| 16:59.53 | pythoned | Speaking of latops...does anyone know...dead pixels(white pixels in my case) can be repaired...or I have to change the display? |
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| 17:00.18 | dvs | pythoned: you have to change the display. |
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| 17:02.12 | pythoned | dvs: I just got back from eating and I saw on my laptop monitor a white pixel in the right part of the screen. I hope they will change it. I still have 2 years of warranty left...but in this days warranty means nothing. |
| 17:02.31 | pythoned | dvs: Thanks by the way! |
| 17:02.32 | lamah | !wwrtg |
| 17:02.37 | lamah | !wrtg |
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| 17:03.02 | dvs | pythoned: they won't change it for one white pixel. |
| 17:03.16 | pythoned | dvs: Only good news:D |
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| 17:03.49 | pythoned | dvs: Ahh at least it's not in the middle |
| 17:04.05 | dvs | pythoned: :) |
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| 17:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | pythoned: Actually, that can be caused by software glitches like a stray write to video RAM. |
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| 17:18.21 | pythoned | jhutchins_lt: I see..I just googled this issue and found some tips on how to fix a stuck pixel. I will try it out and see if it works. I saw on google that manufactures have special policies for returning lcds with dead pixel which is lame. |
| 17:18.59 | pipeline | pythoned: panels are actually classified by the potential number of dead pixels... so cheap monitors are going to have really brutal warranty policies |
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| 17:21.28 | adv_ | anyone know of an app that can read .epub files? |
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| 17:25.49 | pipeline | pythoned: that's not to say that cheap panels will have more dead pixels, just that there will be a less-good warranty on them |
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| 17:26.29 | mythmon | is this the right place to ask about ftpsync 'push' mirroring? |
| 17:26.31 | pythoned | pipeline: I just checked dell's website...6-or more pixels ...or else they won't change it... |
| 17:27.11 | pythoned | pipeline: I'll clean my laptop's screen and try the method with stylus...to see if I can revive it. Thanks |
| 17:27.20 | mythmon | in particular I am trying to find the local command that gets run by upstream to trigger a sync. |
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| 17:29.08 | ScottG | What is the difference between the apache2.conf and httpd.conf apache config files? |
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| 17:30.18 | tharkun | Gentlemen good evening. What file do i have to edit to tell portmap not to use port 631 that belongs to cups? |
| 17:31.30 | homie | /etc/default/portmap |
| 17:31.45 | homie | and give a hostname:port thing on the restrict line |
| 17:31.48 | jhutchins_lt | Strange,I've never had to bother with that. |
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| 17:32.18 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: second time i have to deal with it. The last time was so long ago that i completely forgot about the solution |
| 17:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Nothing. |
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| 17:32.52 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: The Debian apache2 files have migrated to a modular format with symlinks to activate various modules, sites, and features. |
| 17:33.02 | mythmon | ah, nevermind. I found what I was lookging for with ftp-sync |
| 17:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It's still possible to run with a monolithic config though. |
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| 17:38.32 | debiantonio | adv_,http://www.jedisaber.com/ebooks/Readers.asp |
| 17:39.17 | ajikeshi | lol jedi-sabber ;) |
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| 17:40.19 | pythoned | how do you install an executable (application/x-executable)? |
| 17:40.30 | pythoned | I tried ./name of app but it doesn't work. |
| 17:40.53 | pythoned | Also it is mark as allow executing this file as a program. |
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| 18:03.07 | ElDiabolo | I want to be able to allow users to umount other users (usb) devs. How do I do that. |
| 18:03.57 | cahoot | mount option users? |
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| 18:04.15 | bolt | ElDiabolo: just add users to the mount options in fstab |
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| 18:04.28 | bolt | ElDiabolo: then they can mount other users usb drives too :) |
| 18:04.48 | ElDiabolo | cahoot:, bolt: These are usb devices that are not listed in fstab. |
| 18:05.04 | bolt | ElDiabolo: how are the other users mounting them? |
| 18:05.21 | ElDiabolo | bolt: Gnome does that. |
| 18:05.31 | cahoot | gconf-editor then |
| 18:06.07 | ElDiabolo | bolt: Problem is, this is a multi seat. Gnome mounts them automatically, but likes to do that for the "wrong" user. |
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| 18:07.19 | bolt | you might have to do some manual scripting and stuff there, then dedicate a usb port to each seat |
| 18:08.02 | bolt | and disable the whole gnome automount thing somehow, as that probably doesn't have any features for that |
| 18:08.48 | bolt | or you could define the usb devices in fstab and allow everyone access to them |
| 18:08.57 | bolt | easier, but less l33t |
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| 18:10.09 | orangey | I'm trying to install horde via debian, and though I'm following the directions on the wiki, I get: |
| 18:10.19 | orangey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.27 | orangey | i've checked that all the packages seem in order - they do. that all the perms are correct - they are |
| 18:10.34 | orangey | Any thoughts? |
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| 18:12.12 | jordanm | ,versions hoarde |
| 18:12.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'hoarde' was found in i386. |
| 18:12.22 | jordanm | ,versions horde |
| 18:12.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'horde' was found in i386. |
| 18:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,versions horde3 |
| 18:12.54 | judd | Package horde3 on i386 -- etch: 3.1.3-4etch7; etch-security: 3.1.3-4etch7; lenny: 3.2.2+debian0-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.2.2+debian0-2+lenny2; sid: 3.3.8+debian0-2; squeeze: 3.3.8+debian0-2 |
| 18:12.58 | un214 | how to install stock firefox in debian? |
| 18:13.02 | tharkun | homie: I ended up assigning directly a port to nfs since it is the only daemon that is using portmap. I've taken notes on that set up and hope i don't need it again soon. |
| 18:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | un214, install iceweasel it's the same in everything but the name |
| 18:13.48 | un214 | stupid focus bug |
| 18:14.14 | un214 | I really don't think stock firefox has the right-click glitch I've been facing in iceweasel |
| 18:14.24 | tharkun | homie: BTW thx for the info |
| 18:14.44 | jordanm | un214: what glitch? |
| 18:14.55 | un214 | sometimes right clicking on something doesn't take |
| 18:15.03 | un214 | even when I've been typing into the textbox |
| 18:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that can be a WM thing, though |
| 18:15.56 | un214 | hmmm |
| 18:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see something similar in squeezes gnome, but not linked to any application |
| 18:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | focus gets stuck there, though |
| 18:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | once got stuck on the applet for changing desktops and couldn't get unstuck easily |
| 18:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | difficult to debug, though |
| 18:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | orangey, you installed the package and get the error on it? |
| 18:18.32 | orangey | CutMeOwnThroat: just fixed it by going into private browsing |
| 18:18.36 | orangey | I guess the old instance was messing things up |
| 18:18.39 | orangey | and the cache clear fixed it |
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| 18:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... generally http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=horde3; should be your friend |
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| 18:31.03 | orangey | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. for some reason, this is a particularly difficult package to get working for me.. |
| 18:31.04 | orangey | sheesh |
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| 18:33.28 | B0o-supermario | Hi |
| 18:33.54 | B0o-supermario | What's license preference of debian? |
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| 18:35.08 | stew | B0o-supermario: anything follows the DFSG (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 18:35.29 | B0o-supermario | So no preference? |
| 18:35.53 | stew | not as long as it is acceptable according to the DFSG |
| 18:36.10 | B0o-supermario | So what license will debian use if it creates a software? |
| 18:36.24 | stew | B0o-supermario: its up to the software author |
| 18:36.49 | B0o-supermario | So i hate gpl. |
| 18:36.56 | B0o-supermario | What can i do- |
| 18:37.24 | B0o-supermario | Debian is not as selfish as fsf, right? |
| 18:37.54 | stew | mit, bsd, apache, wtfpl, cc-sa-by 3.0, it goes on and on, there is a very long list of acceptable licenses |
| 18:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the factoid actually links to the full list |
| 18:38.29 | stew | no it doesn't |
| 18:38.33 | stew | i don't see how it could |
| 18:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... fullish, if you like |
| 18:38.46 | stew | there is no way that a full list exists |
| 18:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja, I see what you mean |
| 18:38.56 | B0o-supermario | Ok i asked about selfishness... That means gpling everything they derive... |
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| 18:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | _a_ list then |
| 18:39.12 | stew | debian doesn't relicense software |
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| 18:39.24 | stew | we just distrubite software in the license in which we receive it |
| 18:39.53 | stew | we will from time to time ask an author if they would be willing to relicense software in the cases where it is not distributable under its current licenes |
| 18:40.08 | stew | but debian cannot relicense a piece of software, only the copyright holder can do that |
| 18:40.17 | B0o-supermario | So debian does not create software usually, but they create a stacked up os, right? |
| 18:40.20 | tharkun | refrains from relicensing stew for distribution purposes |
| 18:40.50 | stew | people certainly write software on debian's behalf |
| 18:41.09 | stew | i'm not sure what a "stacked up os" is |
| 18:41.12 | B0o-supermario | What gets precedence? |
| 18:41.23 | stew | what? |
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| 18:41.28 | B0o-supermario | Stacked up operating system |
| 18:41.43 | B0o-supermario | What license is mostly used? |
| 18:42.02 | stew | i don't know what a stacked up operating syste is |
| 18:42.35 | B0o-supermario | I mean a collection |
| 18:42.45 | stew | yes, debian is a collection of software |
| 18:42.53 | B0o-supermario | Sorry if it means different hehe |
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| 18:43.24 | un214 | not a WM glitch |
| 18:43.25 | stew | i'm not sure anyone has ever bothered to calculate how often various licenses are used to be able to say which one is used most |
| 18:43.39 | un214 | iceweasel still has the weird right-click glitch in ratpoison |
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| 18:48.19 | bolt | un214: many applications are not too happy with tiling window managers |
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| 18:48.50 | bolt | un214: in awesome, you can set attempt to set those particular windows of the affected applications to be floating. dunno if ratpoison does that. works wonders for gimp and such |
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| 18:49.30 | roe | Is there a command-line ssl cert decoder? |
| 18:49.49 | B0o-supermario | Is there a kfreebsd user? |
| 18:50.38 | bolt | they probably exist |
| 18:51.05 | un214 | I grabbed ratpoison becuase it doesn't touch the mouse |
| 18:51.49 | bolt | un214: awesome does the same. but ratpoison is good too. |
| 18:52.12 | un214 | so mouse glitches caused by WM should not exist |
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| 18:53.06 | bolt | not if you make rules to handle the affected applications' special windows differently |
| 18:53.21 | bolt | or, much better, if you fix the application. that'd help others too :) |
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| 18:54.11 | un214 | I can't fix the application |
| 18:54.16 | un214 | that's beyond my skill |
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| 18:57.44 | B0o-supermario | Then put nuts... They will sparc... |
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| 19:04.29 | un214 | grrr |
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| 19:04.39 | un214 | trying to get stock firefox running yields a strange error |
| 19:04.43 | B0o-supermario | Wtf? |
| 19:04.48 | un214 | cannot find some library, but it's in /usr/lib |
| 19:04.48 | B0o-supermario | Ok |
| 19:04.51 | B0o-supermario | Sorry |
| 19:05.02 | un214 | ah |
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| 19:05.08 | un214 | 32 bit on 64 bit system |
| 19:05.16 | tekzilla | anybody having problems logging in to skype ? |
| 19:05.45 | B0o-supermario | Use windows... It does worth paying... |
| 19:08.18 | bolt | B0o-supermario: do you have a debian-related question, or are you just here to troll? |
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| 19:09.34 | B0o-supermario | Not trolling... Telling the truth is not trolling. Sorry if anyone gets mad with me... |
| 19:09.55 | bolt | B0o-supermario: whatever you call it, i suggest you stop. |
| 19:10.07 | B0o-supermario | Ok |
| 19:10.19 | B0o-supermario | Hehe :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) |
| 19:10.45 | pythoned | B0o-supermario: You seriously got nothing else to do? |
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| 19:11.58 | B0o-supermario | Hehe :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) |
| 19:14.52 | un214 | BOo-supermario: i've been down that path. You are either trolling or sadly mistaken. begone. |
| 19:15.27 | streuner | dont feed |
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| 19:17.55 | JyZyXEL | holy SHIT they weren't kidding when they said that XFS has way slower metadata operations than ext3 |
| 19:18.38 | nirazio | Is there an FTP client (GUI) that will let me search for text inside files? |
| 19:18.40 | JyZyXEL | creating a million symlinks is taking forever |
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| 19:20.43 | bolt | JyZyXEL: just out of curiosity... why make a million symlinks? |
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| 19:30.51 | tos9 | I'd assume this isn't distro specific, since I probably have had this issue before with other distros, it's just been a while since I added a new printer. How do I track down why I'm getting extra pages of gibberish (usually only one, and it's the last page printed, unless I print in reverse. I have all cover sheets off, and nothing noticeable in the CUPS logs) |
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| 19:36.09 | h3sp4wn | tos9: Are you using something compatible as opposed to your exact model (check linux-printing.org for an exact match if you can) |
| 19:36.22 | noa | I'm failing, trying to set up a pdebuild normalized build environment building squeeze packages on a lenny box |
| 19:36.43 | B0o-supermario | Is kfreebsd alive? |
| 19:36.45 | tos9 | h3sp4wn: no, I'm using hpijs, with the exact model of my printer |
| 19:36.51 | noa | once the initial chroot is set up using debootstrap cowbuilder fails since it is missing command 'apt-get' |
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| 19:37.22 | noa | creating a cow hierarchy for lenny on the same box works nicely |
| 19:37.40 | noa | any suggestions? |
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| 19:37.53 | B0o-supermario | Is kfreebsd alive? |
| 19:37.54 | noa | perhaps stockholm is awake? |
| 19:37.56 | B0o-supermario | Hey |
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| 19:39.58 | B0o-supermario | Imho, bsd is better (and as not greedy as) linux... |
| 19:40.11 | bolt | B0o-supermario: go away |
| 19:41.00 | B0o-supermario | Some Debian projects use bsd kernel so nothing to worry. It is on topic. |
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| 19:41.44 | h3sp4wn | B0o-supermario: It will be (experimentally) supported for squeeze |
| 19:42.01 | B0o-supermario | What is squeeze? |
| 19:42.03 | h3sp4wn | B0o-supermario: Installer supports zfs now (not tried it but read it) |
| 19:42.06 | h3sp4wn | !squeeze |
| 19:42.06 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 19:42.13 | B0o-supermario | I386? |
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| 19:42.51 | h3sp4wn | I wouldn't use zfs on i386 but I suppose you can (usual cavats apply) |
| 19:43.01 | B0o-supermario | So will kfreebsd prefer bsd licensed software or not? |
| 19:43.19 | h3sp4wn | Not really - it uses glibc not freebsd libc |
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| 19:43.54 | B0o-supermario | Why? |
| 19:44.09 | h3sp4wn | nexenta is probably the only debian alike distro using a non glibc |
| 19:44.20 | B0o-supermario | Gnu is irritatink |
| 19:44.30 | B0o-supermario | Why? |
| 19:45.00 | h3sp4wn | Much more effort required |
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| 19:45.43 | B0o-supermario | But bsd's tradition is being permissive |
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| 19:46.49 | B0o-supermario | So will it be possible in future? |
| 19:46.51 | h3sp4wn | And ? Debian's tradition is using the gnu userland |
| 19:47.15 | h3sp4wn | unlikely (look at what happened to debian knetbsd) |
| 19:48.08 | B0o-supermario | Netbsd is looking on security and portability |
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| 19:54.59 | B0o-supermario | What is glibc license? |
| 19:55.59 | B0o-supermario | !me |
| 19:56.10 | B0o-supermario | !i |
| 19:56.10 | dpkg | somebody said i was the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 19:56.34 | B0o-supermario | This looks like phpbot's hehe |
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| 19:57.09 | B0o-supermario | !glibc |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | [glibc] at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html (dead), http://pessoal.sercomtel.com.br/assis/linux/glibc-2.HOWTO/ (archive). GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. glibc is the most fundamental piece of software on your machine, basically every piece of software you have installed other than your kernel depends on it, so upgrading it is essentially upgrading your entire system/debian release/version. |
| 19:57.55 | B0o-supermario | !freebsd |
| 19:57.55 | dpkg | i heard freebsd is NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. For the Debian port, ask me about <kfreebsd>. |
| 19:58.18 | B0o-supermario | !kfreebsd |
| 19:58.18 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. The kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 architectures will be released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:58.38 | B0o-supermario | !ubunto |
| 19:58.38 | dpkg | ubunto is, like, http://www.erisian.com.au/wordpress/2005/06/07/on-ubuntu, or an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 19:58.49 | B0o-supermario | Hehe |
| 19:58.53 | bolt | B0o-supermario: please msg the bot |
| 19:58.54 | B0o-supermario | !bsd |
| 19:58.54 | dpkg | well, bsd is read also <bsd license>, or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying, or <debian bsd>, <kfreebsd> |
| 19:58.59 | B0o-supermario | Ok |
| 19:59.11 | streuner | !ops B0o-supermario abuse the bots and trolling |
| 19:59.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: B0o-supermario abuse the bots and trolling |
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| 19:59.20 | B0o-supermario | Sorry |
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| 20:05.44 | nirazio | Is there a way to find out which package was responsible for a Dependecy PackageInstallation? |
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| 20:06.18 | un214 | apt-get remove packagename |
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| 20:06.51 | un214 | if there are dependents keeping it active it lists them as to be removed and asks for confimration |
| 20:07.27 | bolt | aptitude why <package> |
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| 20:08.04 | stew | B0o-supermario: you can /msg the bot so you don't flood the channel |
| 20:08.33 | B0o-supermario | Hehe :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) |
| 20:08.47 | streuner | stew: thats not his intention... |
| 20:08.55 | bolt | B0o-supermario: for christ's sake, stop using that macro or whatever |
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| 20:09.17 | un214 | look if I wanted to flood the channel I could do it easily |
| 20:09.23 | un214 | there's no point in doing so |
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| 20:19.00 | bolt | someone's getting ready to cyber? |
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| 20:34.07 | koskoz | I try to allow remote connection of mysql on my server, it seems that everything is well configured on the mysql side, but the port 3306 is not visible from the outside and I don't run iptable. I can't see why the port is still closed |
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| 20:36.56 | mguy | koskoz: What's between you and the server, just a switch or the internet |
| 20:37.11 | koskoz | the internet I think |
| 20:37.15 | koskoz | it's in a datacenter |
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| 20:37.56 | mguy | What exact error are you getting? Can't connect etc |
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| 20:38.15 | KB1JWQ | Can you establish a TCP connection to that port via telnet or netcat? If not, what's the error mode? |
| 20:39.09 | wissem | hello |
| 20:39.45 | koskoz | mguy : ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'ip' (111) |
| 20:39.52 | wissem | i cant open videos on vlc i get only sound allthought i vae all codecs installed how can i solve this please? |
| 20:40.16 | mguy | wissem: make sure mysql is running on the server, 'ps ax | grep mysqld' |
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| 20:40.31 | KB1JWQ | koskoz: Yeah, that's not what telnet's saying. :-) |
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| 20:41.01 | mguy | wissem, that was meant for koskoz |
| 20:41.26 | wissem | okay |
| 20:41.26 | koskoz | KB1JWQ : :D |
| 20:41.30 | wissem | lol |
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| 20:42.12 | mguy | koskoz: Do you have a firewall on the system you are trying to access the system with? |
| 20:43.06 | koskoz | mguy, not as far as I know |
| 20:43.09 | koskoz | (no iptable) |
| 20:43.17 | KB1JWQ | koskoz: netstat -antp to a pastebin please. |
| 20:43.25 | mguy | koskoz: well, let's make sure your sever is actually running mysqld |
| 20:43.33 | koskoz | it is |
| 20:43.36 | koskoz | i'm sure ;) |
| 20:44.41 | KB1JWQ | koskoz: netstat -antp to a pastebin please. |
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| 20:47.46 | koskoz | KB1JWQ : the only 3306 is this one : tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 20:48.03 | KB1JWQ | koskoz: What a surprise, you're not listening externally. |
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| 20:48.25 | koskoz | KB1JWQ, still want the netstat ? |
| 20:48.53 | KB1JWQ | Assuming you're telling the truth, that's all that's needed. MySQL is only bound to the local intervace. |
| 20:49.12 | koskoz | I can't see here why I'd lied... |
| 20:52.50 | koskoz | KB1JWQ, in netstat I've got the 53306, but I think it has nothing related |
| 20:53.22 | KB1JWQ | koskoz: I've already found your problem for you. The solution should be obvious. |
| 20:54.01 | koskoz | ? |
| 20:55.02 | koskoz | KB1JWQ, what is the solution ? |
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| 20:55.21 | KB1JWQ | "Make mysql listen externally." |
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| 20:56.06 | koskoz | KB1JWQ, it seems that the mysql conf is fine :/ |
| 20:57.59 | KB1JWQ | I do feel I'm done spoonfeeding for the moment. |
| 20:58.20 | koskoz | ok, thanks for your help anyway |
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| 21:02.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi there, when I'm trying to open a pdf attached to an email in evolution on squeeze, by double clicking it, I'll get a nautilus complain about it not being a folder. |
| 21:02.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | evince is set as the default pdf viewer in gnome, any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 21:08.27 | nsadmin | under squeeze, somehow the pkg kde-standard depends on all the x servers... this is a bug, right? |
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| 21:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I dunno, could be a response to all the griping here. |
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| 21:17.46 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Isn't there a designated dependency cleanup week before release? |
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| 21:18.11 | nsadmin | I suppose there -should- be :) |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen some stupid stuff, I'm amazed that dependencies are as clean as they are. |
| 21:18.59 | xingu | jhutchins_lt: the problem is knowing which week the release will be. :) |
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| 21:19.38 | jhutchins_lt | I remember one package where the dev built it in his development environment and it tried to duplicate it if you installed it. |
| 21:19.43 | nsadmin | oh, nonsense... we have a betting pool for that ! |
| 21:20.19 | nsadmin | where everyone can know when the release will be and they don't all have to match! |
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| 21:28.04 | ElDiabolo | As tradition requires I do the engineers victory dance ... |
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| 21:29.11 | ElDiabolo | bolt: Thx. |
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| 21:35.37 | lvh | Hi |
| 21:35.58 | lvh | Is there a fancy tool for viewing vCard files and exporting to plain humanreadable text |
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| 21:53.21 | Crisco | so, I downloaded debian-507-i386-CD-30.iso and burned it to a disc but it won't boot. any ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 21:53.54 | Crisco | btw it boots dban just fine, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have to do with the machine, more the disc |
| 21:54.17 | peterS | Crisco: CD-30.iso? isn't that number 30 in the series? You want the first one. Or just the netinst CD, which is much smaller and assumes you can perfectly well download more stuff later as needed |
| 21:55.07 | Crisco | oh... well, this computer isn't connected to the internet yet, I don't have any cat5 laying around anymore |
| 21:55.11 | peterS | Crisco: also, if you have a 64-bit machine you probably want the amd64 install instead of the i386 install. (And yes, Intel 64-bit chips are compatible with the architecture AMD invented, hence the name.) |
| 21:55.44 | Crisco | this is a really old computer |
| 21:55.47 | Crisco | so I doubt it has a 64 bit processor |
| 21:55.56 | peterS | well, in any case, you want CD 1, not CD 30 |
| 21:56.16 | Crisco | alright |
| 21:56.18 | Crisco | thanks |
| 21:56.40 | Crisco | I haven't installed debian like this before so I assumed that 30 was the latest |
| 21:57.02 | peterS | no, debian has simply grown so large that a single CD or even a dozen CDs will not hold all the software (: |
| 21:57.28 | Crisco | well... maybe I should find some cat5 |
| 21:57.42 | Jordan_U | Crisco: You don't ever install all of debian. |
| 21:57.46 | eldowan | so, what would be the best way to transfer all the data on the / partition, leaving out other partitions as well as the dynamic ones like /dev and such? |
| 21:57.47 | Crisco | or could I just install the first disc and then use a usb drive to install from source |
| 21:57.52 | peterS | ...or that (: Note the CD contents are ordered roughtly by popularity, so the most popular packages all appear on the first 2 or 3 CDs |
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| 21:58.20 | peterS | so you don't need a full set of 30, the first CD will get you a usable system |
| 21:58.37 | Crisco | ah so that probably means DE and WM are there |
| 21:58.52 | peterS | yes though not necessarily _every_ DE and WM |
| 21:59.05 | Crisco | this is probably going to end up a media center PC so I think I might install xbmc onto it... |
| 21:59.40 | peterS | swapping CDs in and out is so 2002, you really should get the cat5 instead (: |
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| 22:00.02 | Crisco | heh yeh |
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| 22:00.15 | Crisco | but my parents won't let me buy anything yet >_> |
| 22:01.22 | eldowan | I'm thinking cp -a -x would be the command, any thoughts? |
| 22:01.33 | Crisco | if I hook up the computer later to cat5 I'll still be able to install stuff with apt-get right? |
| 22:01.41 | dvs | eldowan: cp -aux usually. |
| 22:01.42 | peterS | eldowan: sure but I spell it cp -ax. I do use it a lot. |
| 22:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | Most distros these days can do a full install with 3 CD's. Debian's just got a lot more packages and architectures available, |
| 22:01.48 | NiLon | Crisco yes |
| 22:01.51 | eldowan | yes, just aptitude update to make sure you get the most recent |
| 22:01.56 | Crisco | thank goodness |
| 22:01.58 | Crisco | alright |
| 22:02.04 | eldowan | dvs: peter: Thanks |
| 22:02.04 | NiLon | Crisco just make sure you have proper conf in sources file and run update |
| 22:02.16 | Crisco | time to download the first disc |
| 22:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | Crisco: In fact a desktop usually takes only two CD's if you're doing american english. |
| 22:02.23 | peterS | Crisco: yeah you might have to switch your sources.list to use http instead of the pile-o-CDs. there are instructions here and there if you look |
| 22:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | If you need servers and internationalization then you'll need more. |
| 22:03.30 | Crisco | I've only done installs of ubuntu like 7 times and arch three times, and debian seems a little different |
| 22:04.08 | Bushmills | different in terms of how often you need to install it? |
| 22:04.49 | peterS | well, if you use the defaults, you can do a Debian install in fewer keystrokes than it takes to type a Microsoft license key. so (unless you have unusual requirements or run into odd issues), it's not something that can be simplified _too_ much further. |
| 22:05.32 | Crisco | I'm not really sure right now |
| 22:05.37 | Crisco | bushmill |
| 22:05.43 | Crisco | Bushmills* |
| 22:05.57 | NiLon | and installer should not be too simplified |
| 22:06.07 | NiLon | causes too much manual work after installion otherwise :p |
| 22:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | does that include googling for the license key on the interents or not |
| 22:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I didn't say that |
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| 22:07.14 | peterS | ha |
| 22:07.24 | dvs | hmmm |
| 22:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess you have to seriously wonder for the "typical install" |
| 22:07.48 | Bushmills | does windows require a license key nowadays? |
| 22:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | although the most typical install is probably the pre-install |
| 22:07.59 | eldowan | ya, it's alive and well in win7 |
| 22:08.10 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: yeah, aside from OEM versions |
| 22:08.14 | Bushmills | ah. good to know. |
| 22:08.23 | Bushmills | just in case |
| 22:08.40 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: and I mean big-vendor OEM versions. mom-and-pop OEM versions might still need one. |
| 22:08.53 | Bushmills | my last windows install was the one which came with os/2 |
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| 22:09.20 | eldowan | Hydroxide: so do the big OEMs as well, unless you get it pre-loaded. Or so I understand. |
| 22:09.27 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: even in addition to the various ethical and freedom issues with Windows, one of the largest practical issues in administering windows is that the licensing is absurdly complicated to the point where even companies that try to understand it have a hard time figuring out how to do it |
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| 22:09.59 | Hydroxide | eldowan: they pre-load it already activated, and the only media they will give or sell you is a factory restore disc which also is pre-activated, but is also not "pristine" (it's messed up with whatever they pre-load on to it) |
| 22:10.20 | eldowan | huh, i wonder why my acer has the key on the license tab |
| 22:10.22 | eldowan | tag |
| 22:10.23 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: which, to bring this back on topic, is something I'm very glad isn't a problem on Debian :) |
| 22:10.26 | Bushmills | hm. that probably doesn't refer to reading the terms, and clicking "accept" |
| 22:10.40 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: volume licensing is way complicated :) |
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| 22:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, ha, you ever read the terms? |
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| 22:11.55 | Hydroxide | eldowan: hm, yeah, I guess it also depends on the vendor. my lenovo thinkpad doesn't have a key on it, but I know dells do |
| 22:12.01 | Bushmills | actually, i do, usually. |
| 22:12.08 | eldowan | weird. good to know |
| 22:13.03 | un214 | * |
| 22:13.10 | Hydroxide | as I said, very complicated and hard even for MS volume licensing resellers to understand and explain to customers who want to comply.but, if we're going to keep discussing this without enough Debian tie-ins, let's go to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 22:13.57 | un214 | * |
| 22:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's just using a glob hoping we'll expand it... I call that unfair |
| 22:14.33 | Hydroxide | haha |
| 22:15.01 | un214 | get telepathic |
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| 22:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but no way man, I'll interpret it as a regexp, and then it's still just a star |
| 22:18.02 | raboof | is there a package that provides a 'weather' icon/app for NETWM taskbars? |
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| 22:20.16 | un214 | what's a good way to manually sync time? |
| 22:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | netwm? |
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| 22:21.06 | raboof | CutMeOwnThroat: a freedesktop.org standard that various panels (including iirc the gnome panel and fbpanel) support |
| 22:21.15 | entel | i need to reinstall debian on a machine that has debian on it, is there a way to do that without a cd/usb? |
| 22:21.33 | un214 | debootstrap and switch root |
| 22:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... wouldn't the gnome weather applet do then? |
| 22:21.49 | raboof | there's a gnome weather applet? :) |
| 22:21.58 | Bushmills | un214: manually having to sync time can hardly be called "good" |
| 22:22.14 | un214 | autosync won't work with the machine usu. hibernated |
| 22:22.17 | ElDiabolo | Documented my findings, see removable devices in http://www.heute-morgen.de/site/01%20Linux%20at%20Home/01_Linux_Family_Desktop.shtml |
| 22:22.55 | Bushmills | assuming you mean system time, and not file stamps, there's rdate and ntpdate |
| 22:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, in gnome-applets |
| 22:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not really good though |
| 22:23.25 | Bushmills | for re-reading time from cmos clock, there's hwclock |
| 22:23.45 | un214 | cmos seems to wonder about 1 minute every couple of months |
| 22:24.02 | raboof | CutMeOwnThroat: hrm, /usr/lib/gnome-applets/gweather-applet-2 |
| 22:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd think most of the weather applets would fit your description... |
| 22:24.25 | raboof | CutMeOwnThroat: nothing happens when i start that - guess it uses something other than the standard netwm stuff then |
| 22:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | un214, what's "manually" ... restarting the ntpd service would sync time from lenny on |
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| 22:27.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's "too automatic", there's always "date" |
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| 22:27.44 | un214 | actually ntpdate is the correct answer |
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| 22:28.12 | Arrowmaster | ntpdate is deprecated |
| 22:28.24 | Arrowmaster | ntpd -q i think is the replacement |
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| 22:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought -s, but restarting /etc/init.d/ntp will call with the correct option, whatever it is |
| 22:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I said it |
| 22:29.59 | Arrowmaster | its -q |
| 22:30.46 | Arrowmaster | thats the suggested replacement for ntpdate but i dont know if that behaves properly if you already have ntpd running as a daemon |
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| 22:32.26 | avalarion | hey there, what is sidux-pontas for? |
| 22:32.44 | avalarion | is using gentoo... But a friend of mine has problems with it =). |
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| 22:33.07 | cybor0 | hello |
| 22:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don't know... sidux != debian |
| 22:33.17 | cybor0 | some help with postfix and vacation |
| 22:33.31 | karlpinc | cybor0: What's your question? |
| 22:34.41 | cybor0 | karlpinc when i run vacation from consol every think is ok byt when i send mail to accoun i dont have vacation message |
| 22:35.14 | cybor0 | everything |
| 22:35.57 | cybor0 | i think i have problem with master.cf or transport_maps |
| 22:36.10 | avalarion | CutMeOwnThroat: after "apt-get install audacityx" he gets the notice: "Could not find sidux-pontas"... Now I asked him for uname -a... |
| 22:37.08 | un214 | actually its ntp -g -q |
| 22:37.32 | Arrowmaster | ntp not found |
| 22:39.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah i guess if your time is really off you would want to use -g once to get it right |
| 22:40.10 | cybor0 | how check is message transport to vacation |
| 22:40.26 | Bushmills | very check, or just a bit check |
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| 22:40.54 | cybor0 | bit |
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| 22:41.32 | karlpinc | cybor0: The "local" process should deliver mail, including delivery to destinations specified in ~/.forward, which is where vacation is usually invoked. What do your logs say? Is local configured to not allow program exeuction at all? |
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| 22:42.33 | karlpinc | cybor0: Have you created a ~/.forward file and used it to tell vacation to run? |
| 22:42.47 | cybor0 | karlpinc i have virtual accounts |
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| 22:43.18 | karlpinc | cybor0: Ok. So how do you invoke vaction? In the aliases file? |
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| 22:44.58 | cybor0 | karlpinc here you have what i;m doing http://paste.debian.net/103434/ |
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| 22:46.31 | cybor0 | karlpinc i hink i have problem with this #/etc/postfix/master.cf: |
| 22:46.31 | cybor0 | vacation unix - n n - - pipe |
| 22:46.31 | cybor0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.27 | cybor0 | i log file i donlt have any activiti of that vacation script so i think message dose;nt reach that perl script |
| 22:47.39 | karlpinc | cybor0: What makes you think so? (Did you do a "postfix reload" to pick up changes? (I forget if this is needed for master.cf.) Where did these instructions come from?) |
| 22:47.50 | cybor0 | yes i do |
| 22:48.01 | cybor0 | postfix reload |
| 22:48.12 | cybor0 | where i |
| 22:48.56 | cybor0 | ./vacation -f aaaa@aaa.pl -- dddd@ddd.com everything is ok |
| 22:49.19 | cybor0 | i have debug nad ingo in vacation log file |
| 22:49.54 | cybor0 | but when i send message there is't any log debug info |
| 22:49.57 | karlpinc | cybor0: If it's not getting invoked your transport map is not working. That's my guess. Where did this script come from? |
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| 22:51.09 | cybor0 | what script ?? |
| 22:51.20 | cybor0 | configuration file ?? |
| 22:51.36 | cybor0 | from postfixadmin |
| 22:52.35 | karlpinc | cybor0: What is postfixadmin? |
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| 22:53.49 | cybor0 | postfixadmin is php application with sql file to create , edit etc virtual_maps etc |
| 22:54.38 | karlpinc | cybor0: Ah. Ok. (FWIW I don't see it in debian, right?) |
| 22:54.59 | cybor0 | yes |
| 22:55.01 | karlpinc | cybor0: So, you need to see that your transport map is working.... My postfix is a bit rusty. |
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| 22:55.19 | cybor0 | so how do this i check |
| 22:55.28 | cybor0 | this transport |
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| 22:55.35 | cybor0 | my transport file is very simple |
| 22:55.51 | cybor0 | autoreply.domain.pl vacation: |
| 22:55.53 | cybor0 | done |
| 22:56.27 | cybor0 | i send message to cybor0@domain.pl |
| 22:56.28 | karlpinc | cybor0: Is it a db or something that needs postmap to be run? |
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| 22:56.35 | cybor0 | postmap |
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| 22:57.18 | cybor0 | virtual_maps i have in mysql byt transport is postmap |
| 22:57.25 | karlpinc | cybor0: You could try using postmap to make sure that your map works as expected. |
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| 22:57.44 | cybor0 | hm |
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| 22:58.40 | cybor0 | so how do this |
| 22:58.41 | karlpinc | cybor0: postmap -q |
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| 22:59.21 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 22:59.30 | HardDisk_WP | can I make USB device sharing over network? |
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| 23:00.18 | HardDisk_WP | like, I have one machine with some strange USB device and want to attach it to a small debian box and then use it on a Windows machine just as if it were attached directly to it? |
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| 23:00.36 | cybor0 | oki so when i postmap -q autoreply.domain.pl transport |
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| 23:00.43 | cybor0 | i get vacation: |
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| 23:02.19 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: I have not heard of a protocol do anything like that... what does the USB device do? |
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| 23:02.40 | HardDisk_WP | jordanm, it's three USB disks, I don't want the overhead of samba/NFS |
| 23:02.48 | HardDisk_WP | the NSLU2 has not that much CPU power |
| 23:03.01 | cybor0 | karlpinic any another option |
| 23:03.04 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: NFS has extremely small overhead |
| 23:03.11 | cybor0 | karlpinc |
| 23:03.19 | HardDisk_WP | jordanm, the NTFS driver has, though |
| 23:03.28 | karlpinc | cybor0: Thinking. Gotta go soon. |
| 23:03.52 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: only if you need to write :) |
| 23:04.21 | HardDisk_WP | jordanm, that's the sole purpose ^^ |
| 23:04.32 | HardDisk_WP | hmm usbip looks promising |
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| 23:05.18 | karlpinc | cybor0: You have the right transport_maps= line in main.cf? |
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| 23:05.31 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: reading the description it doesn't sound like you are getting away from overhead with it |
| 23:05.55 | HardDisk_WP | better than the NTFS-3G CPU load anyways, i'll try it out |
| 23:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | accessing a disk over the net usually _is_ ... "overhead" |
| 23:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like a thinner pipe, really |
| 23:06.47 | cybor0 | if i have domain.pl so in main.cf i should have autoreply.domain.pl right ?? |
| 23:07.26 | cybor0 | so if i would like to autorreply to cybor@domain.pl |
| 23:07.30 | cybor0 | right |
| 23:07.42 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, as long as it's enough data rate to watch a 1080p movie, it's fine |
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| 23:09.19 | karlpinc | cybor0: ? transport_maps should point to your transport map file. |
| 23:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what you'Re saying is you don't want any protocol via the net |
| 23:10.01 | cybor0 | hash:/etc/postfix/transport |
| 23:10.07 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: you should be able to watch 1080p streamed over 10Mb *easily* |
| 23:10.49 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: I am better you get 25-50MB/s throughput on the drive, and likely 100Mb or 54Mb over the network |
| 23:10.54 | jordanm | s/better/betting/ |
| 23:11.06 | karlpinc | cybor0: However, you do need autoreply.domain.pl in /etc/hosts (or somewhere) if it does not exist. I think. Because I think what's happening is that the instructions are using this "fake" domain to deliver mail. |
| 23:11.09 | HardDisk_WP | the point is that I don't want that stupid USB cable on my laptop when watching movies... it's stupid enough that I keep kicking out the power cord |
| 23:12.19 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: right, which is why a regular file protocol or a media streamer is the answer :) |
| 23:12.19 | cybor0 | i have it in /etchost |
| 23:12.19 | cybor0 | 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:12.19 | karlpinc | cybor0: I'm trying to figure out how to get trivial-rewrite to log, or in general increase the verbosity. You should be seeing something in your logs. |
| 23:12.19 | HardDisk_WP | not enough money |
| 23:12.19 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 23:12.19 | HardDisk_WP | do I look like I have money? ;) |
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| 23:12.33 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: that doesn't require any more money that usbip |
| 23:12.35 | karlpinc | cybor0: Gotta go. You could go to the postfixadmin people for help if you can't get more here. Or to the postfix people. |
| 23:12.59 | karlpinc | cybor0: 127.0.0.1 sounds right.... |
| 23:13.03 | jordanm | samba and NFS are certainly free |
| 23:13.11 | cybor0 | oki i try this |
| 23:13.11 | jordanm | as is VLC |
| 23:13.13 | cybor0 | thenls |
| 23:13.22 | cybor0 | for help |
| 23:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | jordanm, i meant the media streamer solution^^ |
| 23:13.49 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ |
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| 23:14.27 | HardDisk_WP | VLC can't playback 1080p on my laptop, no GPU acceleration under Win XP :( |
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| 23:15.38 | HardDisk_WP | so, let's see what the most current NSLU2 debian image is |
| 23:16.42 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: pretty sure they have their own channel, or perhaps #emdebian |
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| 23:37.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 23:37.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there another way to sync the addition of a new group to a user besides completly loggin out ? |
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