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| 00:00.18 | raz | the driver loads now, after unloading r8169!!!1 |
| 00:00.27 | raz | yippeee |
| 00:00.29 | Jarvis | cristi8: try dpkg --force-all --purge runit |
| 00:00.38 | Jarvis | followed by apt-get -f install |
| 00:01.55 | Jarvis | it should purge runit, and -f should reinstall it |
| 00:02.08 | Jarvis | seems like the package hasn't installed properly |
| 00:02.19 | raz | hmm where do i put my rmmod r8169 ; modprobe r8101, so it happens in the boot sequence before networking? |
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| 00:03.37 | Jarvis | raz: raz alias it inside aliases.conf ? |
| 00:03.50 | cristi8 | Jarvis: all good now, thanks |
| 00:03.51 | Jarvis | so it loads your module , not the one it wants |
| 00:03.54 | Jarvis | cristi8: np |
| 00:04.17 | raz | Jarvis: trying, but i guess initrd will fail it again |
| 00:04.30 | Jarvis | raz: alias eth0 r8101 |
| 00:04.37 | Jarvis | iirc is it |
| 00:04.39 | Jarvis | but not sure |
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| 00:04.52 | raz | Jarvis: ..rebooting ;) |
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| 00:05.59 | Jarvis | prays for raz |
| 00:06.03 | raz | nope, still r8169 loaded |
| 00:06.06 | Jarvis | bah |
| 00:06.09 | raz | i'll just stuff my rmmod in rcS |
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| 00:07.18 | raz | ah n/m |
| 00:07.25 | raz | it seems that was just a lucky boot anyways |
| 00:07.30 | Jarvis | lol |
| 00:07.33 | raz | now it the mod fails again with r8101: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -22 |
| 00:08.44 | raz | picks some nice e1000 from amazon |
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| 00:09.33 | Cim | raz: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:09.48 | raz | Cim: realtek... |
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| 00:10.07 | Cim | raz: what OS you have? |
| 00:10.18 | raz | erm.. atari |
| 00:10.22 | raz | that's why i'm asking in here |
| 00:10.26 | Jarvis | lol |
| 00:10.49 | Cim | raz: I mean Squeeze or Etch or whaa? |
| 00:11.16 | raz | lenny |
| 00:11.21 | raz | and sorry, bit denerved by now :) |
| 00:11.42 | Cim | ok i understend you wery well :) |
| 00:12.11 | Jarvis | raz: you certainly brightened my day with that comment :P |
| 00:12.11 | Cim | its LAN not WLAN card? |
| 00:12.32 | raz | yea it's an RTL8101E/RTL8102E |
| 00:12.41 | raz | wlan works, i'm using that to debug this crap all the time ;) |
| 00:12.52 | raz | if you see that chip in a machine anywhere, run as fast as you can |
| 00:14.20 | Jarvis | ah raz |
| 00:14.25 | Jarvis | i've found some more information on this |
| 00:14.36 | Cim | hmm, so I don't have idea sorry, I checkd one thing but its only for wireless device's :( |
| 00:14.37 | Jarvis | i'm trying to find an actual fix for it |
| 00:14.47 | raz | Jarvis: lol, you'd make my day ;) |
| 00:15.07 | raz | but from what i found on google it seems this "might" be fixed in newer kernels, the rest didn't look promising |
| 00:15.24 | raz | altho if you have an idea why the blacklisting doesn't work.. |
| 00:15.25 | Jarvis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.43 | Jarvis | i'm trying to find the patch they used to fix it |
| 00:15.45 | raz | yea.. i'm not updating this kernel now tho. xen would inevitably break |
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| 00:16.39 | raz | i think this one should do fine |
| 00:16.40 | raz | http://www.amazon.de/Intel-EXPI9301CTBLK-PRO1000-Netzwerkkarte-PCIex/dp/B001CY0P7G/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1293754456&sr=1-5 |
| 00:17.32 | raz | 30 bucks in exchange for sanity.. sounds like a fair deal |
| 00:17.49 | Jarvis | lol |
| 00:17.57 | Jarvis | raz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/326891 |
| 00:18.19 | Jarvis | that bug pretty much describes your issue to the nose |
| 00:18.26 | raz | haha |
| 00:18.32 | raz | indeed, all the way down to the mini-itx board |
| 00:18.51 | raz | except mine is a core duo |
| 00:18.52 | Jarvis | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2010/01/msg00438.html |
| 00:18.58 | Jarvis | its for UML |
| 00:19.03 | Jarvis | but similar |
| 00:19.23 | Jarvis | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552465 << aha |
| 00:19.28 | raz | yea well, i should've known better than even trying to debug this |
| 00:19.34 | gnarface | i need a command-line tool that can generate pdf based on a webpage, with javascript, svg and css support... does anyone know of something that can do this other than firefox? |
| 00:19.52 | raz | i'm repeating my mistakes, i went down the same rabbit hole almost 10(?) years ago with that whole rtl8039 and 8039too (or whatever) mess |
| 00:20.12 | raz | i wish realtek would just die |
| 00:20.18 | Jarvis | the way i understand it it was a security thing that caused the issue :p |
| 00:20.36 | Jarvis | they elected to deny access to a specific register for all for a certain card |
| 00:20.46 | Jarvis | *all but for |
| 00:20.59 | dvs | raz: do you at least have the firmware-ralink package installed? |
| 00:21.21 | raz | dvs: ehm |
| 00:21.36 | raz | Binary firmware for Ralink RT2561, RT2571, RT2661 and RT2671 wireless cards |
| 00:21.40 | raz | how does that relate to my problem? |
| 00:22.21 | Jarvis | raz: incidentally was there a reason you compiled your own xen package instead of using the one in the archives? |
| 00:22.51 | dvs | oh nvm |
| 00:22.53 | raz | Jarvis: i didn't. the box runs on whatever apt-get gave me back then. i only had to fetch a matching kernel today in order to build that realtek module |
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| 00:23.06 | raz | matching kernel-source* |
| 00:23.15 | dos000 | howdo you force ssh (the client) to either use dsa or rsa ? |
| 00:23.19 | raz | and i have to say i was not impressed at all by that process either |
| 00:24.08 | raz | i understand there's some inherent complexity when the kernel gets involved. but there should be an easy way for the user to just "give me the damn source this was built with, including all config and patches" |
| 00:24.10 | Jarvis | raz: no way you could update to the latest -xen kernel ? |
| 00:24.18 | stew | dos000: ssh -i /path/to/key |
| 00:24.33 | raz | Jarvis: i could try, but i already know how that goes. i'd spend the rest of the night trying to get xen to work again |
| 00:24.50 | raz | didn't plan on doing that. in fact when this box dies i want the next one to run kvm. |
| 00:25.01 | Jarvis | :D |
| 00:25.03 | dos000 | stew, i dont have an key file ! |
| 00:25.06 | Jarvis | likes KVM :P |
| 00:25.21 | rysiek|pl | likes KVM too |
| 00:25.22 | raz | yea, i'm waiting for a good excuse and enough spare time to try it |
| 00:25.23 | stew | dos000: do you mean the host key then? |
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| 00:25.29 | raz | it looks very promising, i.e. much less convoluted than xen |
| 00:25.57 | dos000 | stew, i want to force rsa or dsa it is always defaulting to rsa |
| 00:26.10 | dos000 | stew, the server has both |
| 00:26.14 | Jarvis | anyways raz according to this your issue with the module is fixed in .26-2-* |
| 00:26.30 | rysiek|pl | raz: don't make my mistake and just go for libvirt/virt-manager |
| 00:26.50 | Jarvis | rysiek|pl: u had issues with libvirt? |
| 00:26.52 | Jarvis | hasnt |
| 00:26.55 | rysiek|pl | tried to go "I'l write my own scripts" |
| 00:26.59 | raz | Jarvis: i'm going for the amazon fix ;) amusingly the first 3 amazon-comments on that intel card are rants about realtek.. lol :D |
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| 00:27.08 | Jarvis | lol |
| 00:27.17 | rysiek|pl | Jarvis: nah, I'm just telling raz to just use it and NOT write his own manage scripts |
| 00:27.20 | raz | rysiek|pl: no worries ;) i've been through openvz and xen.. next stop is kvm |
| 00:27.27 | Jarvis | ah :) |
| 00:27.28 | rysiek|pl | :) |
| 00:27.39 | raz | i actually like openvz somewhat, but it's even messier than xen in terms of config |
| 00:27.44 | rysiek|pl | raz: I went from (shivers) VirtualBox to kvm, never looked back |
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| 00:27.59 | raz | heh |
| 00:28.09 | rysiek|pl | raz: xen was not an option, as I couldn't re-install the system |
| 00:28.10 | raz | well, if i hadn't backed up my initrd today... |
| 00:28.12 | raz | but nah |
| 00:28.26 | cristi8 | i am running apt-get dist-upgrade, and receive a lot of "manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" ..should i worry? |
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| 00:29.21 | Jarvis | cristi8: it usually disapears once locales is installed |
| 00:29.41 | Jarvis | dont worry unless it continues after upgrade |
| 00:30.20 | rysiek|pl | raz: when I had one of my virtual machines still running (headless) under VBox, a friend made a kernel upgrade on the guest; turned out this VBox didn't like that kernel and it went down in flames... trying to restore the bugger to a working condition was one of more-fun moments of my sysadmin life |
| 00:30.25 | dos000 | stew, on the client it always prints "unkown host ... RSA fingerprint is" how do i switch/force it to use dsa ? |
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| 00:35.26 | Jarvis | dos000: can u show us exactly what you mean ? |
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| 00:38.37 | stew | dos000: i don't know, I'd check the ssh and ssh_config manpages. but I'm not sure why you'd care |
| 00:38.54 | raz | rysiek|pl: hehe.. sounds fun. gladly at least the isolation part works mostly right on xen :) |
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| 00:39.42 | dos000 | Jarvis: stew: it looks like as part of the protocol dsa is only selectable if you have an indent file |
| 00:39.58 | stew | dos000: that's for authentication, not host key verification |
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| 00:40.42 | dos000 | stew, i guess host key verfication cannot be done wihtout a prior key then |
| 00:40.49 | dos000 | in the dsa case |
| 00:41.14 | stew | dos000: i don't know what you mean |
| 00:41.32 | stew | dos000: host key verification consists of comparing two keys to make sure they are identical, right? |
| 00:42.05 | stew | dos000: unless you have some other out of band way of verifying the host key, i suppose |
| 00:42.22 | dos000 | stew: ok someone on the other end (server side ) probably changed the ssh key files. so i am getting warnings since i dont have these new keys |
| 00:42.59 | stew | dos000: then you should contact them via some trusted mechanism |
| 00:43.20 | dos000 | stew, now i i know how to check the host finger print {dsa,rsa} on the server side so i asked them to do it and send it by email |
| 00:43.55 | dvs | email isn't trusted. |
| 00:43.56 | rudi_s | dos000: Just be careful with that, mails are not really secure, an attacker could just send you his keys and try a MITM. |
| 00:43.57 | dos000 | stew, the question is on the client side i need to check which host fingerprints is passed to me ... |
| 00:44.28 | dos000 | stew, the protocol always defaults to RSA .. |
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| 00:59.03 | thewanderer1 | while you guys mentioned that, what is a "secure mechanism"? OTR in XMPP, perhaps? |
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| 00:59.31 | daemonkeeper | Out of context: Yes. |
| 00:59.38 | ajikeshi | the-dude, pgp in xmpp |
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| 00:59.48 | ajikeshi | err thewanderer1 |
| 00:59.57 | thewanderer1 | poor the-dude, people do this to him every day :) |
| 01:00.00 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: If you verify the public keys, yes. |
| 01:00.17 | ajikeshi | hehe |
| 01:00.27 | thewanderer1 | hm the verification was supposed to happen automagically I think... some passphrase? |
| 01:00.29 | rudi_s | But you must do that through a different channel .. not internet. Phone, personal, etc. |
| 01:00.33 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: No. |
| 01:00.58 | rudi_s | There's no way to authenticate somebody using the same channel because the attacker (may) have full control over it. |
| 01:01.13 | daemonkeeper | Though OTR allows that. |
| 01:01.24 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: ? |
| 01:01.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, sure... I think a Pidgin plugin has an input field for a "trusted question" and a trusted answer it seems |
| 01:01.45 | rudi_s | Ah, yeah. But in that case the secure channel is you knowing the person. |
| 01:01.51 | thewanderer1 | hm yup |
| 01:02.07 | thewanderer1 | and the alternative is... |
| 01:02.15 | rudi_s | Alternative? |
| 01:02.18 | thewanderer1 | GPG with keys signed by an authority? |
| 01:02.44 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: You are technically right. Practically OTR allows you to authenticate (even though not in the tight sense of the word) by the same channel. |
| 01:02.51 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: ? |
| 01:03.07 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: I mean what is the alternative secure channel for communication... when e-mail fails |
| 01:03.12 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: Yeah. If you know the person. |
| 01:03.42 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: E-mail is okay if you use GPG/SMIME and can trust the signature. |
| 01:03.49 | thewanderer1 | hm ok |
| 01:03.56 | rudi_s | Phone is another possibility, best is of course meeting the admin/user in person. |
| 01:04.05 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: I've seen a lot of people prompting challenges like "type yes in upper case". Technically the implementation may be secure, practically there may be a lot of side channel/social attacks. |
| 01:05.05 | thewanderer1 | hm. technically, meeting in person is secure in implementation :) |
| 01:05.10 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: True, but sadly that's always the case .. if the user's aren't smart/educated you have a big problem .. not system can help with that. |
| 01:05.17 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Most of the time ;-) |
| 01:05.35 | rudi_s | Then you can verify GPG keys/SSH keys, whatever so you know whom you're talking to over the net. |
| 01:05.46 | daemonkeeper | Exactly. The biggest flaw in these days cryptography is the human user. |
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| 01:06.12 | rudi_s | Yeah, so true :-/ |
| 01:06.40 | thewanderer1 | mutters something about eliminating the bugs |
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| 01:06.43 | bzaks1424 | Does anyone know what the lightest possible desktop environment there is? |
| 01:07.18 | rudi_s | bzaks1424: Just X and a terminal ;-) |
| 01:07.23 | thewanderer1 | bzaks1424: hmm GNUstep? :P but really, LXDE |
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| 01:07.40 | rudi_s | I use xmonad and just urxvt, very light. |
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| 01:07.51 | thewanderer1 | it depends what you consider a DE |
| 01:07.52 | bzaks1424 | rudi_s: I would love just x and a terminal... but I actually need to use a windowed environment |
| 01:07.55 | rudi_s | But that's not really a desktop enviroment .. |
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| 01:08.09 | rudi_s | bzaks1424: It's windowed, .. terminal windows ;-) |
| 01:08.21 | bzaks1424 | hehehehe |
| 01:08.25 | thewanderer1 | LXDE is going to get its own display manager, which can be regarded as a sign of status :) |
| 01:08.29 | rudi_s | Not sure what light if you need a real DE. Both KDE and Gnome aren't .. |
| 01:08.51 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: http://pastebin.ca/2034721 |
| 01:09.04 | bzaks1424 | I'm basically trying to shrink my footprint as much as possible |
| 01:09.12 | rudi_s | bzaks1424: Why do you need a full DE? |
| 01:09.21 | chelz | bzaks1424: i have heard of people just going without x and launching it when they need it, for stuff like vimperator+firefox |
| 01:09.52 | bzaks1424 | I'm running VMWare Workstation - and the full screening didn't work right when just running straight x |
| 01:10.19 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: Hehe, so true. |
| 01:10.45 | daemonkeeper | Indeed |
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| 01:11.03 | rudi_s | bzaks1424: Weird. Maybe with a nice window manager it works, something like awesome or xmonad or something similar. |
| 01:12.00 | bzaks1424 | cool - I'll try them out in a VM here in a few minutes |
| 01:12.04 | bzaks1424 | thanks everyone :-) |
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| 01:12.28 | bzaks1424 | rudi_s: thanks specifically for the exact details |
| 01:12.45 | rudi_s | You're welcome, I hope they help ;-) |
| 01:14.27 | cristi8 | X does not start after upgrade to squeeze. The error is this: (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. .. anyone knows something about this? |
| 01:14.45 | cristi8 | i can't even google properly from this small-resolution console |
| 01:15.04 | rudi_s | cristi8: Use elinks, lynx or links. |
| 01:15.20 | rudi_s | cristi8: Just a wild guess, what happens if you delete the Xorg configuration file. |
| 01:15.24 | rudi_s | (Back it up of course.) |
| 01:15.54 | chelz | bzaks1424: what wm/de are you running? |
| 01:16.38 | bzaks1424 | chelz: currently I am running xdm + lxde |
| 01:16.41 | cristi8 | rudi_s: haha, it worked. complains about some theme files missing, and fonts look bad.. but works |
| 01:17.03 | rudi_s | cristi8: At least a start. |
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| 01:22.30 | deed02392 | hi guys |
| 01:22.46 | deed02392 | has anyone ever heard of an 'anti duplicate file system'? |
| 01:23.25 | deed02392 | i.e. one which instead of having multiple copies of the same file, simply appears as such to the operater when really it creates a link to it? |
| 01:23.25 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: you mean like de-duping for backups? |
| 01:24.22 | ajikeshi | deed02392, called hardlinks :D |
| 01:24.23 | ajikeshi | there are scripts to link identical files |
| 01:24.24 | deed02392 | i don't think so bzaks1424, i'm thinking more, i have the same file in more than one directory, but instead of it take up 3x the space for 3 copies, it takes up 1 size but is still accessible in the multiple places |
| 01:24.42 | rudi_s | deed02392: No, not possible. |
| 01:24.44 | deed02392 | yeah ajikeshi, but I was thinking of being able to do it across separate containers of an openvz system |
| 01:24.55 | rudi_s | (There are hardlinks of course, but if you change one you change all.) |
| 01:25.00 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 01:25.07 | deed02392 | hmm |
| 01:25.11 | ajikeshi | possible that such thing exists... |
| 01:25.18 | ajikeshi | still i havevnt heard of it |
| 01:25.20 | deed02392 | what if they were read only rudi_s |
| 01:25.33 | deed02392 | once created, they could only be deleted |
| 01:25.36 | rudi_s | deed02392: Then hardlink should work, but only on the same partition. |
| 01:25.38 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: How big are these files that you're genuine concerned? |
| 01:25.48 | deed02392 | they would exist until all users had deleted them |
| 01:26.00 | deed02392 | several GB bzaks1424 |
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| 01:27.02 | bzaks1424 | I remember reading that Facebook has done something like that with the filesystem for their photos - it was because more often than not a group of friends would have the same photo shared by 10 people |
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| 01:27.07 | bzaks1424 | or something to that effect. |
| 01:27.13 | chelz | deed02392: rsnapshot does hardlinks |
| 01:27.32 | chelz | zfs and btrfs are working on dedup, and transparent compression should go a ways toward that |
| 01:27.56 | bzaks1424 | http://muratbuffalo.blogspot.com/2010/12/finding-needle-in-haystack-facebooks.html |
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| 01:30.44 | deed02392 | that sounds like it chelz |
| 01:30.44 | deed02392 | 'deduplication' |
| 01:30.49 | deed02392 | so it has been conceived before |
| 01:31.04 | deed02392 | is it to the same practical extent as what i'm looking for, working across virtual machines? |
| 01:31.45 | chelz | deed02392: that is tricky. i'm actually not sure. some proprietary vm thing may have that, but afaik it's still new for filesystems |
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| 01:34.38 | deed02392 | looks exciting though eh |
| 01:34.43 | deed02392 | i'm quite intrigued |
| 01:34.53 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: I do know that a lot of companies like EMC are working on this - because it will help them in the long wrong - but I also know that the process of deduping data is kind of expensive at the moment. |
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| 01:35.36 | deed02392 | hmm bzaks1424 |
| 01:35.43 | deed02392 | where's the expense coming from? |
| 01:35.51 | deed02392 | determining if the data exists when going to write? |
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| 01:36.01 | deed02392 | does it check for duplication on a cluster level? |
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| 01:36.31 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: think of how it would have to be done: |
| 01:36.43 | bzaks1424 | in a vm world: |
| 01:37.07 | bzaks1424 | linked clones are for VMs, individual VMs - but if you want to do smaller - like files |
| 01:37.51 | bzaks1424 | then you need to start looking at things like keeping tables with hashes or md5 sums of files |
| 01:37.58 | bzaks1424 | and while the small files - might be easy and quick |
| 01:38.19 | bzaks1424 | you start getting bigger files and generating and comparing those hashes will take time an energy away from the operation of the machine. |
| 01:38.41 | deed02392 | yeah bzaks1424, if it was on the file system level though wouldn't it be irrelevant whether the call to write/read a file came from a vm? |
| 01:39.25 | deed02392 | i would think you'd do it on a block level, with each blocks data hashed in some way |
| 01:39.33 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: you're absolutely right - so you're talking about a storage backend controlling the deduping - EMC's avamar does that |
| 01:39.40 | bzaks1424 | but its really expensive in terms of $$$$ |
| 01:40.12 | deed02392 | ah ok bzaks1424, i'm just a student so i guess that's outta my reaches |
| 01:40.12 | deed02392 | the theory is quite interesting though |
| 01:40.16 | bzaks1424 | mostly because its EMC - but also because there's no tech in the area that even touches their de-duping rates.... I think its something sick like 90% |
| 01:40.27 | deed02392 | wow |
| 01:40.35 | deed02392 | are they the only people doing it? |
| 01:40.41 | deed02392 | gap in the market perhaps? |
| 01:41.05 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: No - but companies like EMC and VMware have done a lot to distinguish themselves from their competitors... look at Xen vs. VMWare anything.... |
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| 01:41.29 | daemonkeeper | bzaks1424: You should compare XenServer with Vmware, if anything. |
| 01:41.37 | daemonkeeper | That's somewhat different. |
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| 01:42.29 | bzaks1424 | daemonkeeper - I meant ANYTHING xen vs ANYTHING vmware.... we run both at my company and we're cutting over to VMware because of the benefits that VMware provides out of the box that would take years to develop for xen |
| 01:42.49 | daemonkeeper | For example? |
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| 01:42.59 | deed02392 | don't forget lack of memory causing processes to die bzaks1424 |
| 01:43.30 | deed02392 | you are talking about virtual machine type virtualisation right? |
| 01:43.52 | daemonkeeper | I mean, I don't want to say Xen as is is comfortable as Vmware. it has plenty advantages as has VMware as well. |
| 01:44.39 | bzaks1424 | daemonkeeper: look at the cloning tech in VMware - things like linked clones are amazing. Also replay capability within the vm, snapshotting is faster, storage, network as well as host DRS and HA, fault tolerance, |
| 01:44.58 | deed02392 | that comes at the cost of reduced isolation though bzaks1424 |
| 01:45.21 | deed02392 | or is that not a concern for your usage? |
| 01:45.28 | bzaks1424 | deed02392: reduced isolation? In terms of the linked cloning? |
| 01:45.52 | daemonkeeper | I'm not _that_ deep into VMware, but nothing of that sounds really unique to VMware. |
| 01:45.58 | deed02392 | i don't know what linked cloning is, but i just joined the hypervm developement team and i've recently been reading about the different types of virtualisation |
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| 01:46.26 | bzaks1424 | Full virtualization is the only way I really know about, paravirtualization is something I never really got into |
| 01:46.49 | daemonkeeper | Sure you don't as VMware user ;) |
| 01:46.55 | bzaks1424 | :-D |
| 01:47.35 | bzaks1424 | daemonkeeper: I believe VMWare has a paravirtualization model - but I'm pretty sure its not used because the performance you get in a fully virtualized VM is not that far akin from paravirtualized VMs |
| 01:48.11 | bzaks1424 | I promise - I'm not a VMware rep - but our offshore environment runs about 3000 desktops on 16 hosts - talk about crazy density |
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| 01:48.55 | bzaks1424 | anywho - I have to go... I'll come back and battle this some other time :-) thanks for the chat guys! |
| 01:49.00 | daemonkeeper | Well, it is. I appreciate the exact timing and scheduling of the VMware machines though, and the really great performance of full virtualized domains. |
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| 01:51.10 | deed02392 | nice guy :> |
| 01:52.15 | linux_probe | nice or nicely insane |
| 01:52.17 | linux_probe | >_> |
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| 01:57.13 | deed02392 | oh guys could you all do me a favour? |
| 01:57.20 | deed02392 | let me know what the home directory is for your irc user? |
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| 01:57.38 | daemonkeeper | Depends on your client of course. |
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| 01:57.47 | Asen-Ger | lol |
| 01:58.17 | Asen-Ger | erbärmliches Volk |
| 01:58.34 | daemonkeeper | Wrong language. |
| 01:59.17 | Asen-Ger | idioten? |
| 01:59.35 | daemonkeeper | Man weià nie, wer dich versteht. |
| 01:59.47 | Asen-Ger | right language? |
| 01:59.54 | daemonkeeper | indeed. |
| 02:00.17 | Asen-Ger | von eurem Schlag keiner! |
| 02:00.27 | deed02392 | daemonkeeper? i'm just talking a bout the home dir given in the default /etc/passwd file |
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| 02:00.47 | Asen-Ger | lol |
| 02:00.49 | deed02392 | because my hosts had it set to /var/run/ircd |
| 02:01.00 | deed02392 | which is volatile, meaning when it rebooted recently, i lost some data |
| 02:01.03 | daemonkeeper | Ah, you mean the irc_D_ user |
| 02:01.11 | deed02392 | no it's just 'irc' daemonkeeper |
| 02:01.33 | deed02392 | take a look |
| 02:01.38 | deed02392 | it's one of the default users |
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| 02:01.47 | Asen-Ger | unfähig? |
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| 02:02.00 | daemonkeeper | Sure, but you don't mean "What't the home of your personal IRC client" but "what's the home of my ircd's user called irc" |
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| 02:02.19 | daemonkeeper | That information was missing in your question ;) |
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| 02:03.17 | Asen-Ger | auweia, ihr seid echt ,scheisse, drauf, oder? |
| 02:03.26 | Tramp | !ops Asen-Ger trolling/insulting/spewing out nonsense (in german though ...) |
| 02:03.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: Asen-Ger trolling/insulting/spewing out nonsense (in german though ...) |
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| 02:03.57 | mentor | Definitely nonsense? |
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| 02:04.08 | daemonkeeper | But! But! He uses seid/seit correct, which is seldom these days! |
| 02:04.08 | deed02392 | i didn't say that did i daemonkeeper?? :S |
| 02:04.16 | daemonkeeper | mentor: Yes, he does. |
| 02:04.17 | Asen-Ger | looooool |
| 02:04.20 | Tramp | mentor: it's between general insults and nonsense |
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| 02:04.39 | Tramp | tx |
| 02:04.41 | deed02392 | please tell me so i can respond to my provider |
| 02:04.57 | deed02392 | what's +q? |
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| 02:05.01 | deed02392 | i thought that was owner |
| 02:05.22 | daemonkeeper | You're not on UnrealIRCd here or whatever supports +q |
| 02:06.01 | daemonkeeper | At least I think it was Unreal that identified channel owners with +q |
| 02:06.09 | deed02392 | and inspircd |
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| 02:06.15 | mentor | quiet |
| 02:06.24 | mentor | It's a ban without restriction on entry |
| 02:06.31 | mentor | hmmm |
| 02:06.37 | deed02392 | ah nice mentor |
| 02:06.48 | dvs | mentor: care to demonstrate? :-> |
| 02:06.48 | mentor | Bans remove the ability to send to a channel |
| 02:06.51 | daemonkeeper | ircd-seven hase some really nifty channel modes. |
| 02:07.00 | mentor | No |
| 02:07.15 | mentor | There's a list of features on the Freenode website |
| 02:07.19 | deed02392 | please, someone look at their /etc/passwd file and tell me the home directory of the irc user |
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| 02:07.36 | mentor | deed02392: No |
| 02:07.59 | mentor | deed02392: User for ircd? Look in the package pre/postinst for the command that creates it |
| 02:08.13 | daemonkeeper | deed02392: Noone might be able to help you until you say a full sentence like "I use XXX ircd and I accidentally deleted the user for it." |
| 02:08.32 | mentor | deed02392: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo |
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| 02:09.37 | mentor | deed02392: Alternatively, you could reinstall the package |
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| 02:14.05 | deed02392 | i was under the impression that distributions of debian came with the user 'irc' already added |
| 02:14.14 | deed02392 | is that not teh case? |
| 02:14.51 | icyfire0573 | apparently so: irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh |
| 02:15.02 | deed02392 | yes, thank you icyfire0573 |
| 02:15.13 | icyfire0573 | np |
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| 02:15.37 | deed02392 | which is of course a terrible misconfiguration, since that directory is volatile |
| 02:16.16 | mentor | Then it'll be in a different package. |
| 02:16.28 | deed02392 | what do you mean mentor? |
| 02:16.42 | mentor | Nothing installed in Debian does not come in a package |
| 02:17.10 | deed02392 | the irc user isn't 'isntalled' though is it? |
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| 02:17.31 | mentor | Nothing in Debian does not come in a package |
| 02:17.47 | fanderal | Evening. Got a small problem with pm suspend on 64-bit Squeeze, desktop, no DE. In Lenny and now in Squeeze, hitting the USB keyboard spacebar would resume. Starting a week ago, only the power button will resume. I prefer the keyboard resume. Dunno where to begin; is this an acpi event, a pm suspend hook/parameter, or ..? Thanks |
| 02:18.13 | deed02392 | ok mentor, so then the package responsible for adding the irc user needs modifying so that by default it doesn't create a user with that home directory |
| 02:18.41 | stew | deed02392: why? what is wrong with that home directory? |
| 02:18.46 | deed02392 | it's volatile stew |
| 02:18.53 | deed02392 | upon reboot, any files in there will be erased |
| 02:18.56 | mentor | No |
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| 02:19.10 | mentor | /var is not cleared on reboot |
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| 02:19.21 | stew | deed02392: what is wrong with that? |
| 02:19.21 | deed02392 | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.13.html |
| 02:19.32 | deed02392 | since when should a home directory be volatile stew? |
| 02:19.48 | deed02392 | also, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARRUNRUNTIMEVARIABLEDATA |
| 02:20.05 | cristi8 | i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze using apt-get dist-upgrade, and now when i run "aptitude install", i get the following: http://paste.debian.net/103511/ |
| 02:20.12 | cristi8 | and i don't understand why it does that |
| 02:20.14 | stew | deed02392: if you have requirements that the irc user have a home directory that is persistent, change the user's home directory |
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| 02:20.26 | stew | deed02392: that is a rare case among debian users, however |
| 02:20.35 | deed02392 | according to the FHS mentor, if it isn't it should be, and i'm talking about /var/run/, not /var |
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| 02:21.08 | deed02392 | i would have thought stew that if someone were using the irc user they'd expect the files in its home directory would not be erased upon reboot |
| 02:21.10 | stew | deed02392: "if it isn't it should be" <- what is "it" and what should it be? |
| 02:21.41 | deed02392 | it's home directory, should be set to a non-volatile directory in accordance with the FHS |
| 02:21.52 | dvs | cristi8: aptitude needs to forget the auto-installed packages. |
| 02:21.56 | stew | deed02392: in accordance with which part of the FHS? |
| 02:22.03 | mentor | I suspect the use of a home directory that it cleared on boot is a deliberate decision for daemon processes |
| 02:22.07 | deed02392 | stew: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#HOMEUSERHOMEDIRECTORIES |
| 02:22.30 | cristi8 | dvs: so what should i do? |
| 02:22.36 | stew | deed02392: its not in /home |
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| 02:23.31 | deed02392 | well, i use the irc user to run a statistics logging bot on my irc network |
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| 02:23.42 | deed02392 | i was storing the logs in the home directory |
| 02:23.46 | mentor | deed02392: It's not an ircd |
| 02:23.52 | dvs | cristi8: I'm not sure what the exact command is., |
| 02:24.00 | stew | deed02392: if the default home directory doesn't work for you, change it |
| 02:24.34 | mentor | Ye, you should choose a persistent data location |
| 02:24.38 | deed02392 | stew, i have done, but i can't imagine why it would be standard to have a home directory configured to a volatile location |
| 02:24.58 | cristi8 | dvs: so what does it mean to "forget the packages" ? to purge them, or to mark them as manually installed? |
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| 02:25.27 | stew | deed02392: so that the files are erased upon reboot |
| 02:25.27 | mentor | cristi8: Forget new packages. New packages are packages that have not been seen before. |
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| 02:26.21 | deed02392 | and what practical application for an irc user could there possibly be? |
| 02:26.29 | deed02392 | *the irc user |
| 02:26.39 | cristi8 | mentor: now i'm really confused.. aptitude needs to forget new packages?? |
| 02:27.05 | mentor | cristi8: They will no longer be new. They will still be packages. |
| 02:27.37 | dvs | !unmarkauto |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 02:27.41 | dvs | that's it |
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| 02:28.11 | mentor | dvs: No, it isn't |
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| 02:29.11 | stew | deed02392: running an ircd |
| 02:29.14 | dvs | for this? http://paste.debian.net/103511/ |
| 02:29.40 | deed02392 | wouldn't the ircd associated files only be of interest to the specific user used to run it though stew? |
| 02:29.58 | deed02392 | in which case according to the standards they should be placed in the home directory |
| 02:30.16 | deed02392 | suddenly making the idea of purging files from the home directory irrational |
| 02:30.20 | stew | deed02392: what files do you mean? |
| 02:30.23 | fanderal | cristi8: pkgs which are new/recent to repo are shown as new. 'forget new' means show the recent additions with everything else, not separately. |
| 02:30.51 | mentor | dvs: That's nothing to do with forget? |
| 02:30.58 | deed02392 | if they are only of concern to the irc user stew, they should be stored in the home directory |
| 02:31.00 | stew | deed02392: an ircd would put its binaries in /usr/bin, its libraries in /usr/lib, its runtime files in /var, ... just like any other package |
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| 02:31.25 | deed02392 | what of its configuration files stew? |
| 02:31.28 | stew | deed02392: /etc |
| 02:31.28 | mentor | /etc |
| 02:31.36 | cristi8 | fanderal, mentor: i did "aptitude forget-new", and it still wants to remove a lot of packages and install others |
| 02:31.53 | mentor | cristi8: That is unrelated |
| 02:32.07 | deed02392 | hmm |
| 02:32.08 | mentor | wonders what the original question was |
| 02:32.28 | deed02392 | ok, thanks for arguing it out with me guys |
| 02:33.11 | deed02392 | i guess i have to accept the irc user by default is not expected to be used for more than running an ircd |
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| 02:34.42 | dvs | cristi8: I'd let aptitude do its magic and reinstall the packages you want afterwards. |
| 02:34.45 | fanderal | cristi8: does dpkg msg (above) apply to your circumstance? |
| 02:35.29 | mentor | cristi8: I'd load up the curses interface and try and work out what's going on |
| 02:36.33 | fanderal | cristi8: I agree with mentor. open a terminal and type aptitude |
| 02:36.45 | cristi8 | fanderal: i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and i can't tell if all the packages are unneeded anymore / replaced, or is it a mistake and i should not let him do it |
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| 02:39.50 | stew | deed02392: you shouldn't consider any of the accounts with uid < 100 as normal user accounts, perhaps none < 1000 |
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| 02:40.31 | fanderal | cristi8:even if it uninstalls everything, just reinstall what you want afterward |
| 02:40.59 | deed02392 | indeed that looks like a safe way to go stew |
| 02:41.07 | dvs | watches fanderal sit on the fence |
| 02:41.09 | deed02392 | learned the hard way unfortunately |
| 02:41.25 | fanderal | dvs: ? |
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| 03:04.38 | Sorinan | There's an updated guide to install an A2DP-capable bluetooth headset on Debian Squeeze/Sid? |
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| 03:21.55 | mentor | Sorinan: It should just work, but you need the minimum versions of pulseaudio pulseaudio-bluetooth gnome-bluetooth etc |
| 03:22.18 | Sorinan | hmmm, pulseaudio? Doesn't work with alsa? |
| 03:22.30 | mentor | er |
| 03:22.48 | mentor | I believe the ALSA kernel level module is superceded |
| 03:23.36 | mentor | Sorinan: Yeah, I don't have any snd bluetooth related module loaded |
| 03:23.54 | mentor | Sorinan: You can have libasound talk to pulseaudio |
| 03:24.10 | Sorinan | mentor, it would worth changing from alsa to pulseaudio? |
| 03:24.42 | mentor | The question doesn't make sense as the two do not fill the same purpose |
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| 03:25.10 | mentor | I use pulseaudio, and find it excellent |
| 03:25.24 | Sorinan | mentor, oops, i think that I haven't understood for what pulseaudio is used... |
| 03:25.41 | mentor | ALSA drives hardware |
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| 03:25.45 | mentor | It's a kernel driver |
| 03:25.48 | mentor | Pulseaudio manages sound |
| 03:25.57 | Sorinan | ahh, on userspace! |
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| 03:26.32 | Sorinan | mentor, but, so far I hadn't used pulseaudio, what makes his job so? |
| 03:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | Pulseaudio is a solution in search of a problem. |
| 03:27.13 | mentor | No it isn't |
| 03:27.37 | mentor | Unless you still sit around setting the sample types that you want all your applications to use |
| 03:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | Yes it is. |
| 03:27.45 | mentor | Sorry |
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| 03:28.00 | mentor | So how do you switch your sound over to you wireless headphones when you turn them on? |
| 03:28.09 | mentor | Restart all your applications? |
| 03:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | It's totally unnecessary in 99% of all situations. |
| 03:28.27 | jhutchins_lt | AlSA has the ability to handle that. |
| 03:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | OSS does too, but it's not quite ready for publication. |
| 03:29.01 | mentor | Umm |
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| 03:29.17 | Jarvis | OSS has been deprecated for a while iirc |
| 03:29.22 | mentor | So, where to you switch to using hte subband codec for bluetooth, for example? |
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| 03:29.37 | dvs | Jarvis: it's attempting a comeback |
| 03:29.47 | Jarvis | ugh |
| 03:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, but oss is still on the verge of a functional release. |
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| 03:30.09 | Sorinan | So, I want to use my headset and when the battery goes off i just need to turn on my desktop soundboxes. Pulseaudio can help me with that? |
| 03:30.15 | mentor | As always, this sort of nonsense comment comes from someone who has a static configuration. |
| 03:30.29 | mentor | Sorinan: It should switch automatically actually |
| 03:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | No,pulseaudio can't actually do anything useful. Yet. |
| 03:30.38 | mentor | With Pulseaudio |
| 03:30.50 | jhutchins_lt | Nonetheless, it is in the default install of most distros. |
| 03:30.52 | nsadmin | how would it know to switch? |
| 03:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | For most users, the first thing to do with it is to remove it so that sound will work. |
| 03:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | alsa works. |
| 03:31.19 | Sorinan | Isn't possible to simple stream on all devices? |
| 03:31.21 | mentor | Well, if it's bluetooth the connectino frops |
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| 03:31.42 | mentor | So it gets a udev event about that, re-enumerates it's sound sinks |
| 03:31.49 | Jarvis | Is OSS manages to make any kind of successful comeback, to the extent its worth using i'll eat my hat. I dont own one yet, but i'd buy one just for the occasion. |
| 03:31.50 | mentor | Sorinan: Yes, you can also do that |
| 03:31.56 | Jarvis | *if |
| 03:32.05 | nsadmin | damn those fropping concertinos... |
| 03:32.17 | mentor | jhutchins_lt: So, how do I set up a desktop where I can switch all my sound between two sinks using ALSA? |
| 03:32.18 | Parsifal | I use OSS, it's perfectly usable. |
| 03:32.28 | Parsifal | The mixer's a bit hard to get the hang of, that's the only major drawback I've found. |
| 03:32.40 | dvs | Jarvis: ;-) |
| 03:32.48 | mentor | Parsifal: Your crazy |
| 03:33.02 | mentor | Parsifal: The mixer UI shouldn't be dependent on the underlying kernel interface. |
| 03:33.05 | mentor | you're |
| 03:33.10 | Jarvis | is probably going to be held to that now :p |
| 03:33.25 | mentor | Jarvis: I'll eat the other half of your hat |
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| 03:33.33 | nsadmin | there are pro audio driver authors (well at least one that I know for sure of) that dislikes alsa sufficiently to have decided to never support it |
| 03:33.45 | Jarvis | haha |
| 03:33.55 | mentor | nsadmin: Well, that's a damning admission |
| 03:34.02 | mentor | rolls his eyes |
| 03:34.26 | nsadmin | the thing is I'm not sure what the alternative is... but he uses jack |
| 03:34.31 | mentor | erg |
| 03:34.37 | mentor | JACK is a userspace interface! |
| 03:34.39 | dvs | will eat the other half. Oh wait. I wasn't good at math. |
| 03:34.41 | mentor | Not a driver interface! |
| 03:34.47 | Parsifal | mentor: Yes, I know. The fact that it is dependent on the underlying interface is the main problem I have with OSS. Even with that, I still prefer it to ALSA. |
| 03:35.01 | nsadmin | and yet he's done it |
| 03:35.29 | mentor | He's embedded a JACK interface in a kernel driver? |
| 03:35.44 | mentor | I'm guessing that this driver hasn't been accepted upstream |
| 03:35.58 | Sorinan | Ok, I'm installing pulseaudio |
| 03:36.36 | Parsifal | I don't see what the point of implementing the JACK interface as a kernel driver would be. |
| 03:36.46 | mentor | Parsifal: Quite. |
| 03:36.48 | nsadmin | not exactly sure. the details... this is for the RME hammerfall and other stuff; in my case I have a multiface II and a pcmcia interface for it |
| 03:37.03 | Jarvis | pcmcia ? :o |
| 03:37.07 | nsadmin | and the driver author in question is on irc as faberman |
| 03:37.23 | mentor | the Multiface II is the audio adapter? |
| 03:37.56 | nsadmin | yes, and he' |
| 03:38.27 | nsadmin | s somehow bypassed alsa and oss, wrote his own mixer app and it all works |
| 03:42.10 | Sorinan | mentor, Ok, I installed pulseaudio, now what? What should I do to make my bluetooth headset works? |
| 03:42.35 | mentor | Sorinan: You need gnome-bluetooth pulseaudio-bluetooth as well |
| 03:43.33 | Sorinan | mentor, Ok! Both installed! |
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| 03:44.10 | mentor | Now...you should get a bluetooth icon in your notify area |
| 03:44.28 | Sorinan | mentor, already paired... |
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| 03:44.57 | Sorinan | mentor, but the bluetooth device doesn't appear on the configs (the one that the tray icon launchs) |
| 03:44.57 | mentor | ah |
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| 03:45.20 | mentor | Sorinan: You need to pair using that bluetooth bit |
| 03:45.54 | mentor | nsadmin: The only multiface driver in the Linus' tree uses ALSA |
| 03:46.02 | Sorinan | mentor, yep! that's what I did. (gnome-bluetooth was already installed, I already had done it) |
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| 03:46.17 | FreezingCold | How much would getting connected with canarie cost? |
| 03:49.02 | mentor | Eh? |
| 03:49.07 | Jarvis | eh? |
| 03:49.07 | nsadmin | mentor: I wonder if he uses that driver or his own, |
| 03:49.34 | mentor | As I say, I strongly suspect it's his own, because upstream would never accept it |
| 03:50.08 | mentor | Sorinan: I fear you may need to do something like select "Use sound server" and restart your gnome-session |
| 03:50.19 | mentor | Sorinan: You also need puleaudio-detect-hal, or whatver |
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| 03:52.24 | Jarvis | !lart Randomness |
| 03:52.24 | dpkg | executes killall -HUP Randomness |
| 03:54.20 | nsadmin | so faberman is not the only one writing linux drivers for RME eqpt |
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| 03:55.25 | Sorinan | mentor, hmm, I didn't found any configs like these on gnome, only on gstreamer, which fails on configuring even alsa |
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| 03:56.42 | mentor | pulseaudio pulseaudo-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-utils |
| 03:57.16 | mentor | Preferences->Sound? |
| 03:58.12 | Sorinan | mentor, all but esound compat installed (it doesn't exists). Pref> Sound takes me to the volume selector, which only have the ALSA devices of my motherboard |
| 03:58.49 | mentor | Eh |
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| 03:59.08 | mentor | pulseaudio-esound-compat is in every distro since stable |
| 04:00.04 | Sorinan | mentor, ah, ok, it was already installed (I missed the typo) |
| 04:01.55 | mentor | Erg, just try restarting your session |
| 04:02.22 | Sorinan | mentor, ok! wait a min! |
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| 04:10.11 | mentor | Sorinan: Any luck? |
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| 04:11.01 | Sorinan | mentor, wait a minute, I'm fighting with BT (it where working before restart... grrr, we fix something and broke another) |
| 04:14.22 | Sorinan | mentor, YYYYEEEAAHHHH!!! it WORKS! it's alive! |
| 04:14.27 | mentor | heh |
| 04:14.35 | Sorinan | mentor, Thank you so much! |
| 04:14.49 | mentor | There should be a preferences->pulseaudio that has a virtual device for simultaneous audio |
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| 04:15.18 | Sorinan | mentor, aham, I already opened it. It's much more complete than the default one |
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| 04:15.26 | mentor | Excellent |
| 04:16.15 | Sorinan | mentor, and about the microphone, there's a way to work? |
| 04:16.25 | mentor | Which microphone? |
| 04:16.40 | Sorinan | mentor, the one in the bluetooth headset |
| 04:16.56 | mentor | You have to switch to the telephony profile for the headset |
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| 04:17.08 | mentor | It's in the volume settings somewhere |
| 04:17.15 | Sorinan | doesn't work on A2DP profile? |
| 04:17.42 | mentor | A2DP doesn't have microphones in it |
| 04:18.20 | Sorinan | mentor, ok, working too! |
| 04:18.39 | mentor | I don't believe that Pulseaduio will switch the profiles automatically yet |
| 04:18.52 | Sorinan | mentor, thank you so much. I would never thought that the pulseaudio would solve this problm |
| 04:19.11 | Sorinan | mentor, no problem, just working is excellent! maybe i can set a hotkey... |
| 04:19.36 | mentor | Possibly |
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| 04:34.21 | Sorinan | mentor, even the play/stop buttons are working! |
| 04:35.10 | mentor | Yep :) |
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| 06:17.00 | KjetilK | is this: |
| 06:17.04 | KjetilK | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/luckybackup-data_0.4.1-3_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 06:17.04 | dpkg | kjetilk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 06:17.06 | KjetilK | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.02 | KjetilK | hmmm, it should be sufficient to say whether it is a problem I should investigate or not, which is my question... |
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| 06:25.09 | Jarvis | KjetilK: by the looks of it theres a missing replaces on the package for the older version |
| 06:25.21 | Jarvis | i'd advise filing a bug report about it |
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| 06:26.56 | KjetilK | Jarvis, thanks |
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| 06:27.27 | Jarvis | but you'll need to paste the entire install log to be sure |
| 06:27.54 | Jarvis | but that looks the likely culprit :) |
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| 06:28.32 | KjetilK | yup |
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| 06:28.48 | KjetilK | I ran script before starting, so I hope I should have everything |
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| 06:29.37 | Jarvis | a quick fix for now, would be to manually remove the luckybackup package and then install the new version via apt |
| 06:29.46 | KjetilK | yup |
| 06:29.57 | KjetilK | I don't actually use it, so I just removed it |
| 06:30.02 | Jarvis | :) |
| 06:30.34 | KjetilK | ended up writing my own script with a bunch of rsyncs for my backups... |
| 06:30.40 | Jarvis | :p |
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| 06:30.49 | Jarvis | want me to file the bugreport against it ? |
| 06:30.53 | Jarvis | or u happy doing it ? |
| 06:31.34 | KjetilK | please do if you want, since I have a couple of kids here who wants full attention, so I never know when I have to run :-) |
| 06:31.45 | Jarvis | hehe np |
| 06:31.49 | Jarvis | i'll bugrep it in a bit |
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| 06:33.14 | KjetilK | :-( |
| 06:33.41 | KjetilK | please post me the bug number, I can follow up if I get time |
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| 07:02.36 | Jezek | pecl install oauth is failing |
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| 07:03.01 | RishE | jumps on goompas |
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| 07:16.27 | brokendatapoint | Jezek: hi, tesing ... can you see me? |
| 07:16.34 | brokendatapoint | tesing/testing* |
| 07:16.37 | Jezek | no |
| 07:16.43 | brokendatapoint | haha thanks |
| 07:17.28 | Jezek | http://pecl.php.net/ |
| 07:17.59 | Jarvis | right, Load on the server reduced from 14 to 0.7 :D |
| 07:18.17 | Maahes | anyone familiar with aptitude's ncurses interface? I've read through the manual but I'm not sure I've seen anything related to what I want it to do: I want it to sort by state flags, so I can have all %u and all %H grouped together, etc. |
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| 07:18.28 | brokendatapoint | yeah looking at your issue, are you having probs with installing it? |
| 07:19.43 | brokendatapoint | admires Lighttpd install as opposed to Cherokee ... |
| 07:19.52 | Jezek | pew pew pew |
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| 07:21.32 | brokendatapoint | Jezek: ? |
| 07:21.43 | Jezek | nothing |
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| 07:23.02 | brokendatapoint | k |
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| 07:33.45 | minsa | I just deleted a directory. Is there any way to recover it ? |
| 07:34.28 | ArtVandalae | minsa, on an ext3 filesystem, it will be very difficult |
| 07:34.50 | minsa | yap.. that's the one. |
| 07:35.02 | ArtVandalae | minsa, you can try this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 07:35.19 | ArtVandalae | But I've never had any luck recovering anything off ext3 |
| 07:35.30 | minsa | ArtVandalae, thnx |
| 07:35.35 | minsa | I will try out. |
| 07:37.31 | minsa | it's even gone from locatedb entry. |
| 07:37.40 | minsa | so on delete, updatedb is not needed ? |
| 07:39.26 | ArtVandalae | minsa, not sure sorry... I've read about my limit of knowledge for this question. Would be interested to know if you get somewhere with it though |
| 07:39.54 | minsa | lsof |grep filename shows up some of the entries that I am looking for. |
| 07:40.01 | minsa | at least I know what is gone at least. |
| 07:40.19 | minsa | I wonder how much lsof retains. time to read the manual |
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| 07:45.22 | minsa | it will be an enduring tragedy but the link is interesting. htnx |
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| 07:45.38 | Jarvis | lsof stands for list open files, so once its not bering accessed anymore it'll disapear ... |
| 07:45.52 | Jarvis | and yea recovery from ext3 is a pain |
| 07:46.29 | minsa | and in the meanwhile, don't create any new file, right ? |
| 07:46.59 | Jarvis | tbh any write can overwrite the data you just deleted |
| 07:47.57 | Jarvis | and since you'll need to logoff the system to do any kind of recovery, theres a high probability that the files u just deleted will be gone |
| 07:48.07 | minsa | wow.. |
| 07:48.13 | Jarvis | unfortunately |
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| 07:48.54 | Jarvis | and undelete on ext3 is never garunteed :( |
| 07:49.19 | Jarvis | its why i've never bothered going that route, and just restored from backups |
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| 08:00.19 | brokendatapoint | what is the correct way ... adduser or useradd? |
| 08:01.06 | zinx | adduser |
| 08:01.11 | zinx | as the manpage for useradd tells you >_< |
| 08:01.30 | brokendatapoint | zinx: thanks ... that was almost a RTFM ... snicker |
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| 08:05.39 | Jarvis | zinx: its slightly different on squeeze |
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| 08:06.20 | iluminator101 | my free disk space is mysterious getting full right after i startup...dont know why please help |
| 08:07.38 | iluminator101 | dmesg is full of [-28] |
| 08:07.38 | iluminator101 | [ 1029.437841] ecryptfs_write_end: Error encrypting page (upper index [0x0000000000000198]) |
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| 08:09.01 | Jarvis | zinx: ah i see, they've been crafty :/ |
| 08:09.05 | Jarvis | nvm |
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| 08:12.17 | nsadmin | abrotman, just ran hello android under the emulator... you weren't kidding when you said it would be slow |
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| 08:14.44 | Jarvis | iluminator101: you encrypted one of your filesystems ? |
| 08:15.12 | iluminator101 | yea /home partition |
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| 08:16.27 | Jarvis | mmh, iluminator101 would u have run out of space on /home ? |
| 08:16.28 | nsadmin | abrotman, additionally every time I run the emulator the whole vm crashes and I have to reboot it |
| 08:17.22 | iluminator101 | jarvis yea http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6374/screenshotvc.png |
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| 08:18.13 | Jarvis | you'll need to free some space on /home it seems |
| 08:19.03 | Jarvis | that error seems to be caused by running out of space on the encrypted volume |
| 08:19.08 | iluminator101 | yea but it keeps filling up |
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| 08:19.28 | Jarvis | do you know which directory is filling it? |
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| 08:20.13 | Jarvis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+bug/626088 i found this on the bug rep |
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| 08:20.35 | iluminator101 | jarvis /var |
| 08:20.56 | Jarvis | er |
| 08:21.30 | Jarvis | it'll probably be /var/log |
| 08:21.37 | Jarvis | no doubt filled with |
| 08:21.42 | Jarvis | that error |
| 08:21.47 | iluminator101 | Jarvis, yea filled with that error |
| 08:22.00 | Jarvis | its caused by running out of space on /home |
| 08:22.04 | Jarvis | free some space on it |
| 08:22.10 | Jarvis | and it should disapeart |
| 08:22.43 | Jarvis | at least thats what everything on google is telling me |
| 08:23.07 | Jarvis | unfortunately im not good with encrypted fs, so i can't say more than that im afraid |
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| 08:23.49 | iluminator101 | jarvis hmmm...this drive is really old and small i should have get a 1tb drive but to 40 at least |
| 08:23.55 | Jarvis | lots of people are complainint that its not returning -ENOSPC when an encrypted vol runs out of space |
| 08:24.15 | Jarvis | instead its throwing scary messages with err -22 |
| 08:24.53 | iluminator101 | Jarvis, whats that? |
| 08:25.01 | Jarvis | s/ -28 |
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| 08:25.18 | Jarvis | the error your seeing (code -28) |
| 08:26.08 | Jarvis | http://www.mail-archive.com/ecryptfs@lists.launchpad.net/msg01763.html |
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| 08:27.21 | iluminator101 | thanks jarvis...i gotta go. ttyl |
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| 08:41.58 | shylent | hmm, I am trying to build a package (debuild -us -uc) and all of a sudden it spews a 'Permission defined' error, while trying to write a binary package file in the upper-level directory |
| 08:42.23 | shylent | it all takes place in my home directory so I obviously have all the necessary permissions |
| 08:42.29 | shylent | what could be the problem? |
| 08:43.32 | Jarvis | shylent: are u running under fakeroot ? |
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| 08:44.06 | shylent | well, debuild does the call to fakeroot itself, yes |
| 08:45.42 | Jarvis | and your building as non-root yes? |
| 08:45.56 | shylent | yes, of course |
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| 08:46.19 | Jarvis | I'm having to check because i know it can do some very odd things otherwise :p |
| 08:46.43 | shylent | hmm, like what? |
| 08:46.47 | Jarvis | is it your own package? or one in the archive |
| 08:46.58 | shylent | well, you could say that it it "my own" |
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| 08:47.22 | shylent | because I know there was someone else working on this machine earlier and he could've run debuild using root |
| 08:47.34 | shylent | could that cause this? |
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| 08:48.12 | Jarvis | PHP for example as i remember wont build correctly if you run as root with fakeroot :p |
| 08:48.29 | Jarvis | you get all kinda funky errors |
| 08:48.59 | Jarvis | have a scan in the build directory for files owned by root, and see if u get anything |
| 08:49.08 | Jarvis | other than that im not sure what to suggest |
| 08:49.40 | Jarvis | i've got to go im afraid |
| 08:49.45 | Jarvis | hope u get it sorted |
| 08:50.06 | shylent | thanks |
| 08:50.24 | shylent | (that didnt work, obviously :P but thanks for your time nevertheless) |
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| 09:08.38 | tomsh | something chenage in squeeze regarding nic bonding? |
| 09:08.44 | tomsh | somethis has change |
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| 09:16.26 | dynamite | Hey there! A bit of confusion. Say I wanted a cronjob to run in the first minute of the 1.1.2011 - would that be 0 0 1 1 * ? |
| 09:17.01 | dynamite | or would that be the minute after 59 23 1 1 * ? |
| 09:18.03 | dondelelcaro | dynamite: 0 0 1 1 * is the first minute of the first hour of the first day of the first month |
| 09:18.27 | dynamite | dondelelcaro: marry me? (: |
| 09:18.29 | dynamite | thanks |
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| 09:33.57 | asperon | hi guys, i am about to install debian on a usb stick for my pogoplug, i remebers something about writing many times to a flash based media being bad, should i disable swap? |
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| 09:43.42 | nsadmin | asperon there's not another drive you could put into or on the side of your sheevaplug? |
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| 09:49.42 | yow | hi, does anyone know if growisofs will generate temporary file before burning onto DVD+R or DVD+RW disc? can it burn on-the-fly? |
| 09:50.03 | asperon | nsadmin: yeah, sure, i could do that, but id prefer to just use the flash media (to reduce the size) |
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| 09:52.22 | yow | i've been trying to burn some files onto a DVD+R and a DVD+RW discs using ASUS SDRW-08D2S-U (USB) burner but both "discs" FAILED! |
| 09:52.44 | yow | btw, im using Squeeze |
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| 09:59.09 | islevegan | what's the best way to set up a cron job for drupal's /cron.php? probably doesn't matter so much what the target is, but i wanted to mention it. i have a debian 5 server with several domains served by drupal. two of the domains are getting their crons but i can't figure out how / where it is being done. |
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| 10:11.48 | islevegan | when i do crontab -e it opens as a file in /tmp and when I save, it doesn't become active. not sure why it's opening and saving in /tmp |
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| 10:12.48 | daemonkeeper | That is by concept. |
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| 10:13.18 | daemonkeeper | You don't edit the crontab directly, so crontab wraps around a text editor and does syntax checks afterwards. |
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| 10:14.36 | islevegan | ok, well it opens in nano and i edit it, but the changes do not become active |
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| 10:15.02 | daemonkeeper | why do you think that? |
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| 10:15.44 | islevegan | because when i open it again the changes are not there and the action that i added never happens |
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| 10:16.06 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps you didn't save it then? ;) |
| 10:16.35 | islevegan | i did, it says saved. i will try again. |
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| 10:19.11 | islevegan | ok, it wrote to /tmp/crontab.yuAwdc/crontab, we'll see if it takes effect |
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| 10:23.43 | islevegan | i think i had some tiny syntax problem. |
| 10:23.44 | islevegan | :-o |
| 10:23.50 | islevegan | it seems to be working now |
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| 10:30.31 | islevegan | daemonkeeper - thanks for responding |
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| 10:33.35 | pozic | How can I copy a complete disk from one device to another? |
| 10:34.19 | timahvo1 | pozic: dd ? |
| 10:34.19 | pozic | (Preferably a tool which is designed for that specific task. ) |
| 10:34.23 | xyan | !dd |
| 10:34.23 | dpkg | hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD; see also <win32 dd>. |
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| 10:35.28 | pozic | timahvo1: there are multiple partitions on the first device. I want those partitions to become one partition on the new device. |
| 10:35.44 | xyan | pozic: copy the whole device then |
| 10:36.07 | xyan | should have read at first |
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| 10:36.25 | xyan | pozic: create a new filesystem and rsync the mounted stuff into your newly created partition |
| 10:36.47 | cahoot | wouldn't that recreate the struture? |
| 10:36.49 | sedulous | pozic: you can just use "cp" to create disk image files |
| 10:36.50 | pozic | xyan: fs access is extremely slow. |
| 10:37.08 | cahoot | err disregard |
| 10:37.10 | xyan | pozic: you dont have a choice i think |
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| 10:57.59 | mactimes | Hi. I had to remove my kerberos installation and manually removed /etc/krb5.conf file. Now, I reinstall krb5-admin-server and krb5-kdc, but it doesn't create a new /etc/krb5.conf file. How can I fix it? |
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| 10:59.49 | nsadmin | !confmiss |
| 10:59.49 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
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| 11:01.11 | mactimes | nsadmin, Thank you. |
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| 11:02.30 | nsadmin | did that do it? |
| 11:02.51 | nsadmin | you may have gotten other conffiles you had deleted too |
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| 11:03.38 | mactimes | nsadmin, I remember there was another way to do it, just cant remember what it was exactly. But I think that it should do. I'm removing the packages again to make a clean install since I was previously running tests. Once I have the results I'll let you know. |
| 11:04.50 | nsadmin | mactimes did you purge or remove before? |
| 11:05.02 | mactimes | nsadmin, Both. |
| 11:05.13 | mactimes | nsadmin, But on reinstall it was not recreated. |
| 11:05.20 | nsadmin | and after purging you didn't get conffiles? |
| 11:05.29 | mactimes | nsadmin, Didn't work, by the way. |
| 11:05.29 | nsadmin | this is lenny? |
| 11:05.34 | mactimes | nsadmin, Yeah. |
| 11:05.44 | mactimes | nsadmin, amd64 |
| 11:05.49 | nsadmin | ok, so something else creates the missing conf |
| 11:06.14 | nsadmin | anyway, that's a start... I have to read stuff |
| 11:06.38 | mactimes | nsadmin, Yeah, like I said, I've been through this before and someone here helped me out, but I can't remember how it was done. |
| 11:07.41 | nsadmin | specifically with the krb stuff>? |
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| 11:11.43 | mactimes | nsadmin, Nope, it was something else, but the problem was the same. I had uninstalled a package which left configuration behind. I manually removed the config file and when I reinstalled the same package it wouldn't recreated the default (maintainer) config file. |
| 11:12.51 | lansink | mactimes: put did you dpkg --purge it? |
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| 11:13.29 | mactimes | lansink, aptitude purge <packages> |
| 11:13.43 | mactimes | lansink, Would dpkg --purge do anything different? |
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| 11:30.41 | mactimes | lansink, nsadmin I just remembered how the other package was fixed and found the solution to the problem. The package I reinstalled previously (a long time ago) had a something-common dependency. Purging and reinstalling that fixed the problem |
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| 11:31.18 | mactimes | lansink, nsadmin For krb5, there is a package, which I don't know why it is not a dependency, but it is called krb5-config |
| 11:31.40 | mactimes | lansink, nsadmin In the description it clearly says it is responsible for providing the /etc/krb5.conf file. |
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| 11:31.51 | nsadmin | if it was a dep it would be purged by aptitude |
| 11:31.53 | mactimes | lansink, nsadmin Thank you very much for your time and help. =) |
| 11:32.12 | mactimes | nsadmin, Yeah, but IMHO, it should be. |
| 11:32.29 | mactimes | nsadmin, Anyways, I think I'll be able to fix it now. Thanks for your time. = |
| 11:32.32 | mactimes | =) |
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| 11:33.08 | nsadmin | maybe talk to the maints and see why they did what they did |
| 11:33.57 | mactimes | nsadmin, Yeah, I think I'll do that. The package had been marked as automatically installed. I'll check what package requires it now. |
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| 11:34.53 | nsadmin | oh interesting, so something depended on it |
| 11:35.02 | mactimes | nsadmin, krb5-clients. The weird think is that kadmind won't start if that is not properly configured. |
| 11:35.38 | mactimes | nsadmin, Anyways, I think I'll be able to go through the whole process again. |
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| 11:38.11 | nsadmin | write it down in that notebook you kept when you installed debian :) |
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| 11:40.16 | mactimes | nsadmin, Sure. In fact, I'm running tests to make a script later and distribute it for MIT Kerberos + OpenLDAP + Samba + Squid integration |
| 11:40.27 | mactimes | nsadmin, So, anyways, I'll have that written down. :) |
| 11:41.33 | nsadmin | awesome! |
| 11:42.21 | bloor | anyone can tell me how to disable NX protection? |
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| 12:02.03 | peadophile | Hi, i'm using ubuntu version 10.4 and sometimes I leave my laptop on for a little while, when I get back it's turned off |
| 12:02.14 | cheasee | peadophile, nick-fail! |
| 12:03.02 | peadophile | cheasee: i don't understand |
| 12:03.06 | xand | and channel fail |
| 12:03.16 | cheasee | xand, true |
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| 12:03.54 | peadophile | cheasee: your nick is also mispelled, deliberately i assume |
| 12:04.06 | peadophile | so what's your point? |
| 12:04.10 | cahoot | peadophile: i e offensive nick + wrong channel |
| 12:04.48 | peadophile | i am banned from ubuntu so i thought someone in here could help me since the kernels are the smae |
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| 12:05.00 | xand | no |
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| 12:05.35 | peadophile | i'm not banned there for any reason if that makes any difference |
| 12:05.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | peadophile: you should contact #ubuntu-ops to ask for your ban to be lifted |
| 12:06.03 | xand | it doesn't make any difference |
| 12:06.13 | xand | (to asking your question in here) |
| 12:06.15 | peadophile | well, i have never been there before, i think they just banned everyone from my ISP |
| 12:06.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | peadophile: the kernel in ubuntu /is not/ the same as in debian, so asking your question here is off topic |
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| 12:06.45 | xand | even if it was the same, nearly everything else is not |
| 12:06.53 | peadophile | Kamping_Kaiser: i have it on good authority that they are the same |
| 12:06.59 | xand | they are not |
| 12:07.08 | peadophile | xand: i asume it's a kernel panic |
| 12:07.14 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 12:07.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 12:07.35 | peadophile | !based on debian |
| 12:07.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 12:07.55 | peadophile | ok, thanks anyway |
| 12:08.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for your understanding |
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| 12:12.35 | SPF | I made a partition in ext3 that is 14TB (hardware raid5). fdisk says partition is 14TB, but df says the partition is only 2TB |
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| 12:15.39 | cheasee | peadophile, you are banned from #ubuntu because of your offensive nickname, so you should be banned from this (and other channels) too in my opinion |
| 12:16.01 | cheasee | my nickname isnt mispelled, its supposed to be that way ;) |
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| 12:16.43 | peadophile | cheasee: i don't thin kthat is right, i never went into ubuntu before |
| 12:17.13 | daemonkeeper | is it possible for a debconf script to access files shipped along the package, but are not going to be installed? |
| 12:17.19 | cheasee | peadophile, better change your nick so something other than that |
| 12:17.34 | daemonkeeper | like peter_file *scnr* |
| 12:17.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | cheasee: if you want to talk about peadophile 's nick please do it in pm/another channel |
| 12:17.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | scnr? |
| 12:17.53 | peadophile | there is nothing offensive about my nick, it is simply a word. if i was called paedophiles_are_good that might be offensive? |
| 12:17.59 | cheasee | Kamping_Kaiser, was my last comment about it |
| 12:18.00 | daemonkeeper | sorry could not resist |
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| 12:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: i don't know what it stands for |
| 12:18.54 | daemonkeeper | As said "sorry could not resist" |
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| 12:19.03 | peadophile | lol |
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| 12:19.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh... lol |
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| 12:19.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, *facepalm* |
| 12:19.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | d/me looks suitably daft |
| 12:19.50 | CissWit | d/me ? |
| 12:19.52 | CissWit | :) |
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| 12:20.06 | peter_file | cheasee: still banned |
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| 12:20.20 | innocuous | still banned |
| 12:20.34 | cahoot | so take it op with ubuntu ops |
| 12:20.52 | innocuous | sorry |
| 12:20.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | innocuous: i expect its because you have a bshell, try asking #ubuntu-ops for an exception |
| 12:21.26 | innocuous | yeha, your are probably right |
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| 12:22.02 | cheasee | ive got an own vanilla 2.6.20.4 on my old p133 host and would like to add modules to it but without rebooting as ive got a high uptime; so i tried to compile the same source of that kernel with the module i need; now when i issue insmod it tells me insmod: error inserting 'ftdi_sio.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module - am i doing something wrong or could anybody point me in the right direction please? |
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| 12:22.30 | cahoot | different gcc versions? |
| 12:22.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: and sorry, nto sure about your question. what sort of files do you need access too? |
| 12:22.57 | Iridos | the right direction would be to use debian stock kernels... but I suspect you didn't want to hear that |
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| 12:23.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: i'd suggest you find out where in teh dpkg process debconf is called. if its after extract there is no logical reason why you cant |
| 12:23.12 | daemonkeeper | I'm looking for a possibility to access files shipped along a package that are not going to be installed in postinst/debconf scripts. What's the right way to do, as I guess those files aren't available at installation time unless they are shipped somehow in the debian/ directory |
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| 12:23.41 | cheasee | Iridos, you're right but the problem is that ive setup 2.6.20.4 some years ago on it heh |
| 12:24.08 | cheasee | cahoot, could be, im not sure, how do i check what gcc version i used on the running kernel? |
| 12:24.20 | cahoot | cat /proc/version or such |
| 12:24.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: not sure what you mean by 'shipped' but 'not installed' |
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| 12:25.54 | cheasee | cahoot, ah sure, right ... ya seems i used 4.1.2 in the past and now used 4.3.2 ... i guess when i remove 4.3 make-kpkg will use 4.1 again, then it should work? |
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| 12:26.26 | cahoot | you could explicitly set what gcc to use |
| 12:26.44 | cahoot | like GCC=<versio> make .... |
| 12:26.45 | daemonkeeper | I want some files shipped along within the Debian package I made, that are not installed by it. I want access them exclusively during the postinst/debconf process where I want let the user decide what to happen. Of course I could install those files to a temporary location and delete afterwards, but that seems dirty to me. |
| 12:26.55 | cahoot | (IIRC) |
| 12:27.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: are you sur ethe files are in the binary package, or just in the source? |
| 12:28.01 | cheasee | cahoot, like just GCC=4.1.2 make-kpkg kernel_image ? |
| 12:28.22 | cahoot | CC= I guess is mor correct - consult the docs |
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| 12:28.40 | brainvision | hi man |
| 12:28.44 | brainvision | hi men |
| 12:28.46 | brainvision | :) |
| 12:28.46 | daemonkeeper | It's a meta package I make on my own. It does not contain any useful files, it just configures some mundane tasks. |
| 12:29.02 | cheasee | cahoot, ah ok, ill try that, thanks for your help :) lets see... |
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| 12:29.30 | brainvision | a little help, please: I would like to try debian, the testing squeeze release |
| 12:29.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: i'm just trying to be sur eyou know the package you are working with /does/ contain the files. if its just in the debian directory but not installed, they won't be in the binary package |
| 12:29.46 | brainvision | so I downalod the squeeze_beta_2 iso |
| 12:30.09 | brainvision | do I am right? |
| 12:30.27 | brainvision | or I have to download an other iso? |
| 12:30.30 | brainvision | please? |
| 12:30.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | brainvision: whats your actual problem? |
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| 12:30.59 | brainvision | no problem, I only want to try debian |
| 12:31.02 | cheasee | brainvision, i guess you are right if you are sure to try testing version |
| 12:31.17 | brainvision | yes, I want the testing |
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| 12:31.36 | brainvision | the stable it seems quite old.. |
| 12:32.01 | daemonkeeper | Kamping_Kaiser: This is not related to Debian at all (besides resulting in a Debian package). I am my own maintainer for that particular package. I do want to ship along the package some pre-configured files (like .bashrc and so on) where the user may choose whether to install it or not. Hence I can't install that file using the traditional way, but only by copying them on my own on user's behalf. |
| 12:32.02 | ElDiabolo | Hi. How does gnome on squeeze control mount options for removable devices. |
| 12:32.02 | cheasee | brainvision, when i use testing, i head to cdimage.debian.org and get the weekly iso... the squeeze beta2 iso would be more stable than that i guess |
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| 12:32.25 | brainvision | mmm..ok, thanks.. |
| 12:32.27 | ElDiabolo | Looks like it is not in GConf any more. |
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| 12:33.20 | brainvision | anyway it seems a little complicated understand all the debian realeases.. |
| 12:33.40 | brainvision | current, testing, weekly, dayly.. |
| 12:33.43 | brainvision | uhhh! |
| 12:33.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: i'd suggest installing the files to /usr/share/packagename/data (or some such) , and offering to install them onto the system with debconf |
| 12:33.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | debhelper: note, i'm not very expert at packaging myselrf |
| 12:34.15 | daemonkeeper | Kamping_Kaiser: Ah, that's a good idea. |
| 12:34.38 | daemonkeeper | Though I'd use /usr/share/doc |
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| 12:34.59 | brainvision | ok thank you very much everybody |
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| 12:35.07 | brainvision | have a nice day |
| 12:35.13 | daemonkeeper | I think, that would suit to Debian policies as well, if I would be restricted to them ;) |
| 12:35.17 | brainvision | and a good 2011!! |
| 12:35.21 | brainvision | see ya! |
| 12:36.56 | cheasee | cahoot, i tried using CC=4.1.2 and CC=4.1 but both give "sh: 4.1: command not found" i tried GCC=4.1.2 as you told before, what seems to work as it doesnt give an error |
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| 12:37.33 | cheasee | i let it compile... another 2-3hours till its compiled... maybe i have to issue make clean before? |
| 12:37.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: not sure doc is the best place, but its your system :) |
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| 12:39.13 | daemonkeeper | Kamping_Kaiser: If you have ever looked to /usr/share/doc/<debian package name>/ you will notice, there is a lot of more or less helpful things _beside_ documentation. |
| 12:39.25 | daemonkeeper | I think, that's ok. |
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| 12:41.16 | daemonkeeper | just, one more question: Do I have to take care about that directory manually, or is there some deb helper magic, that puts certain files automatically to the said /usr/share/doc/<package name>/ directory |
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| 12:42.18 | cheasee | yup make clean is needed, make[1]: `debian/stamp/binary/pre-linux-image-2.6.20.4' is up to date. heh ... ok then a whole new compile is needed heh |
| 12:42.24 | Iridos | there should be a /var/log/beep.log into which all applications that produce beeps log the event |
| 12:42.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemonkeeper: there is a dh, i can't remember offhand whatits called. |
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| 12:42.56 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-docs That I guess |
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| 12:45.06 | cheasee | cahoot, where did you read that doc about using GCC= or CC= before issuing make ? im looking for it and cant find it? |
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| 12:49.00 | cahoot | cheasee: long time forgotten |
| 12:49.34 | cheasee | im not sure if to use GCC=4.1.2 or if GCC=4.1 suffices |
| 12:49.59 | cheasee | every try takes me 2-3hours as the pentium 133 needs its time to compile :D |
| 12:50.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | can you "cross compile" for it? (eg, in a chroot) |
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| 12:51.22 | cheasee | Kamping_Kaiser, how you mean? im not cross compiling, i just want to compile and insert modules for the running kernel without rebooting it :) |
| 12:51.39 | Nepherius | I'm trying to remove a program but iI get E: Unable to locate package |
| 12:51.48 | Nepherius | how can I remove it ? |
| 12:51.53 | cheasee | Nepherius, which program/package? |
| 12:52.03 | Nepherius | teamviewer |
| 12:52.05 | cheasee | Nepherius, try: dpkg -l | grep programname |
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| 12:52.46 | cheasee | well then: dpkg -l | grep teamviewer; then: aptitude purge <packages_shown_by_the_cmd_before> ;) |
| 12:53.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | cheasee: hence "". i'm assuming you have a faster machine too |
| 12:53.22 | cheasee | Kamping_Kaiser, ah! yes sure i have :) |
| 12:53.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 12:54.32 | cheasee | Kamping_Kaiser, so you think, i should get the source for the kernel on another host, compile with correct gcc version and just transfer the module and insert it? |
| 12:54.59 | cheasee | do i have to run it in chroot? or setup it somehow special? |
| 12:55.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | cheasee: i just suggest a chroot to avoid tainting your host system |
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| 12:55.40 | Nepherius | thanks cheasee |
| 12:56.12 | cheasee | Kamping_Kaiser, oh ok, i got a faster machine for testing purposes, so tainting the system isnt an issue for me ;) |
| 12:56.26 | cheasee | ill try that, thanks for the idea :) |
| 12:56.44 | cheasee | Nepherius, np |
| 12:56.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl |
| 12:57.18 | ElDiabolo | Hi. i am searching documentaton (for squeeze) on 2 topics: How do I configure gnome mount options and how do I configure policykit-1. Any hints? |
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| 12:59.46 | cheasee | ElDiabolo, just guessing... dpkg-reconfigure policykit-1 maybe? |
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| 13:03.08 | ElDiabolo | cheasee, unfortunately dpkg-reconfigure -plow policykit-1 does not ask any questions. |
| 13:06.40 | ElDiabolo | Having to configure something inside the gnome desktop seems really hard. |
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| 13:07.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | what sort of gnome mount options do you want configured? |
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| 13:09.55 | ElDiabolo | Kamping_Kaiser, I have a multi seat and I want to modify the behaviour of removable storage. Currently (squeeze) a (random?) logged in user automounts an inserted storage device. The other user (there are only 2) can not read it or unmount it. |
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| 13:11.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ElDiabolo: check incase the user is in a group like plugdev that the others are not, and what the users uids are |
| 13:11.33 | ElDiabolo | Kamping_Kaiser, In squeeze I had at least configured readability for the group plugdev. |
| 13:12.19 | ElDiabolo | Kamping_Kaiser, squeeze ha a different way of modifying mount options, it seems. |
| 13:12.42 | ElDiabolo | s/In squeeze/In lenny/ |
| 13:12.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ElDiabolo: i've no personal experience unfortunately:/ |
| 13:13.22 | ElDiabolo | Kamping_Kaiser, You are a lucky guy :) |
| 13:13.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | ElDiabolo: hehe. |
| 13:14.56 | ElDiabolo | I generally like the idea of "not configurable because it just works", but it looks that therefore customizing gnome is rarely done. |
| 13:15.48 | ElDiabolo | The good news is that my multi seat continued to work on squeeze with minor adaptions. |
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| 13:29.44 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 13:31.49 | Azrael_- | i want to change the kernel used on a server. i installed grub2, installed it into mbr of all hdds, installed linux-image-amd64 and removed the preinstalled kernel from /boot/grub/grub.cfg . but the preinstalled kernel is still being loaded. where is mz error_ |
| 13:31.53 | Azrael_- | ? |
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| 13:33.19 | xyan | Azrael_-: your error is editing grub.cfg directly, use update-grub |
| 13:33.29 | Azrael_- | xyan: i did |
| 13:33.44 | xyan | Azrael_-: remove the old kernel with aptitude |
| 13:33.48 | Azrael_- | update-grub only finds the kernel i want to load. |
| 13:33.50 | xyan | make sure the files in /boot are gone |
| 13:34.34 | zeltak | hi guys..im new to debian (runing arch mostly) but have squeeze on a arm machine. i cant find a way to change the time zone no matter what i try (ntpupdate, tzselect) time always go back to UTC..any ideas? |
| 13:34.51 | xyan | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 13:34.59 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.01 | Azrael_- | xyan: the preinstalled kernel is done without using the package-system. normally it should be possible to load the new kernel even if i didn't remove the old kernel-files physically |
| 13:35.16 | zeltak | ok thx ill try it now |
| 13:35.21 | xyan | Azrael_-: but its not a virtual server? |
| 13:35.29 | Azrael_- | no, a physical server |
| 13:35.57 | Azrael_- | does grub use a different install-function than "grub-install"? |
| 13:36.06 | Azrael_- | s/grub/grub2 |
| 13:36.10 | xyan | Azrael_-: no it shouldnt |
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| 13:36.27 | zeltak | thx xyan that worked..will that be persistant after a reboot? |
| 13:36.34 | Azrael_- | strange,ok, i'll remove the old kernel physically and see what a restart will tell me :) |
| 13:36.42 | xyan | zeltak: yeah it will |
| 13:37.10 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.21 | xyan | Azrael_-: did you configure something like kexec on that machine? |
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| 13:39.52 | zeltak | thx guys |
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| 13:41.13 | Azrael_- | xyan: no. normally the preinstalled system is using lilo (i already removed it completely, including mbr) |
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| 13:43.05 | abrotman | nsadmin: afaik, the whole thing runs in java .. |
| 13:43.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've update-notifier running on squeeze, but it won't notify me on new updates ^^ |
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| 13:45.49 | Azrael_- | xyan: the root is on a raid1. looks like this is the problem. how can i set up grub2 to use this properly? |
| 13:46.21 | itchi | Best wishes for next year guys |
| 13:47.22 | nsadmin | abrotman, so, the emulator runs in java which runs java inside that?? |
| 13:47.44 | nsadmin | no wonder it's so dog slow and unstable |
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| 13:48.44 | nsadmin | or are you actually saying the arm processor simulator runs in java (ewww) |
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| 14:05.29 | yeik | morning everybody |
| 14:05.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: good morning, wait it's afternoon here! |
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| 14:05.55 | yeik | well thats good. |
| 14:05.59 | petemc | its always morning on irc |
| 14:06.19 | yeik | is it always warm to? cause its cold outside. |
| 14:06.31 | petemc | mild here |
| 14:06.48 | yeik | oh yeah? nice. |
| 14:07.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh I guess I found out why update-notifier won't update a thing |
| 14:07.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | regular auto launch interval was set to 7 days <_< |
| 14:07.24 | yow | yeik & KaffeeJunky123, it's evening here. 2010 will be over in less than 2 hours from now :) |
| 14:07.27 | Azrael_- | xyan: ok, found the problem: the server didn't start any more last night, so a technican of the server-provider changed the config to boot always from a network-kernel. thus i could change anything on the server itself without anything happening :/ |
| 14:07.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | yow: what are you in a time loop? |
| 14:07.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | yow: oh overread that over XD |
| 14:07.53 | yeik | so what brings me here this morning, not really debian as much as linux in general, got a new keebox wireless adapter, finally got the rt3070sta driver compiled and can bring it up and down, but can't figure out how to get network manager to show it and configure it. |
| 14:08.15 | yow | KaffeeJunky123, :) |
| 14:08.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: does the device show in ifconfig? |
| 14:08.29 | yeik | yeah, after i bring it up |
| 14:08.53 | yeik | iwconfig shows it as well, ra0 |
| 14:09.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | nm should see it aswell then ^^ |
| 14:09.07 | yeik | but i can't set the essid with iwconfig, it just stays as "" |
| 14:09.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | I think I'll purge nm soon anyways... |
| 14:09.40 | yeik | KaffeeJunky123, thats what i thought. but i didn't know if it was because it is a persistent live usb that i have the os on. |
| 14:09.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | it wont remember that I want my wifi disabled |
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| 14:09.51 | xyan | Azrael_-: hah pxe, tricky! |
| 14:10.04 | Iridos | huh, chromium says about a pdf "this type of file can harm your computer" |
| 14:10.09 | yeik | KaffeeJunky123, i do have to bring it up each time i boot, and i am thinking that might be why nm doesn't see it. |
| 14:10.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Iridos: it's true |
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| 14:10.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | Iridos: embded javascript + exploits in foxit or adobe reader leads to shellcode execution |
| 14:11.38 | Iridos | javascript in pdf? |
| 14:11.41 | Iridos | sounds awful |
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| 14:12.03 | Iridos | foxit is a pdf reader? |
| 14:12.18 | yeik | whats really awful, someone at work told me the Developers in a certain group did not know what environmental variables are for windows. |
| 14:12.37 | Iridos | KaffeeJunky123, this one, I guess http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/hacker-finds-a-way-to-exploit-pdf-files-without-a-vulnerability/5929 |
| 14:13.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: are you serious? |
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| 14:14.05 | yeik | yeah, apparently the system admins asked why don't you use %appdata% for user data, and they went "huh?" |
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| 14:14.58 | Iridos | yeik, huh? |
| 14:14.59 | jpastin | yelk, sounds about right, we had an issue with our developers where they didn't understand the need to use a fqdn and stuff was acting all wonky |
| 14:15.06 | Iridos | just kiddin |
| 14:15.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: well, one shouldn't develop for windows anyways :> |
| 14:15.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | if noone would develop software for windows it would finally die ;) |
| 14:15.49 | yeik | Well, i agree completely. but, developping for windows is better than doing other jobs. |
| 14:16.05 | yeik | KaffeeJunky123, convince the people that make games to develop for linux. |
| 14:16.13 | Iridos | but MS will always keep "developing" MS-office |
| 14:16.17 | Iridos | anyway... |
| 14:16.23 | Iridos | looks at #debian-offtopic |
| 14:16.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: some actually do ^^ |
| 14:16.36 | yeik | I know, they have gotten a lot better the last 5 years too. |
| 14:16.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | what could cause mime sniffing to fail only in evolution and not in nautilus :>? |
| 14:17.10 | yeik | KaffeeJunky123, so any thoughts on my wireless usb device? |
| 14:17.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | evolution is trying to open pdfs as folders using nautilus XD |
| 14:17.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: besides nm sucks? |
| 14:17.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: nope =) |
| 14:17.39 | yeik | lol yeah, like i said, i also tried to set essid manually |
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| 14:17.55 | yeik | iwconfig ra0 essid network-name |
| 14:18.01 | shalok | Is there a KDE equivalent for Gnome's update-manager? |
| 14:18.03 | yeik | then iwconfig just shows essid = "" |
| 14:18.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | shalok: I think there is, look for something that starts with K and got update in it's name |
| 14:19.14 | shalok | KaffeeJunky123, Not getting any matches |
| 14:19.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | ^k\w*update\w*$ |
| 14:19.41 | yeik | apt is awesome. |
| 14:19.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | apt-search with regex |
| 14:20.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | it does eat regex, right? |
| 14:20.31 | yeik | i never actually used search, it always finds what i want, or doesn't have one and i have to download and compile. I love CLI! |
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| 14:21.28 | yeik | time to go to work, maybe if i get this thing figured out i'll come back, if not, maybe i'll come back and harass someone some more |
| 14:21.35 | yeik | *waves* |
| 14:21.37 | yeik | thanks |
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| 14:22.24 | JyZyXEL | if libata fails a hard reset on timeout and gives up, how do you manually make it try again? |
| 14:22.43 | JyZyXEL | talking about this: |
| 14:22.45 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973324] ata7: COMRESET failed (errno=-16) |
| 14:22.47 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973349] ata7: reset failed, giving up |
| 14:22.49 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973373] ata7.00: disabled |
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| 14:25.25 | JyZyXEL | prboably something in /sys/block/sd?/ ? |
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| 14:35.16 | ElDiabolo | pukes |
| 14:35.19 | ElDiabolo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562062 |
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| 14:37.59 | zeitsofa | hello. can anyone help me to fix this iptables issue: http://pastebin.info/75 |
| 14:38.43 | babilen | zeitsofa: #netfilter ? |
| 14:38.59 | zeitsofa | babilen: ok thx for the hint :) |
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| 14:40.23 | babilen | zeitsofa: http://kobesearch.cpan.org/htdocs/IPTables-libiptc/README.html â first hit on google, but ask upstream how to deal with this |
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| 14:41.19 | zeitsofa | i have open this page - but i not real unterstand how to fix it :S |
| 14:41.52 | babilen | just wanted to point you into the right direction ⦠|
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| 15:42.01 | Chris___ | can I boot my Squeeze CD into a live desktop? I need to restore GRUB. |
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| 15:52.15 | Netlynx | Chris___, afaik there are terminals available while the debian install is running. try alt+ <Fx> button to switch terminal. |
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| 15:55.55 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 15:56.28 | Azrael_- | how can i distinguish wether a partition is ext3 or ext4? (after the upgrade with squeeze it is mounted as ext4) |
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| 15:57.29 | Dweezahr | Hello, running 5.07 in vm, Fresh install. apt-get install live-build: "E: couldn find package live-build" |
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| 15:57.38 | Dweezahr | Wrong repository? |
| 15:58.27 | Azrael_- | did you do a apt-get update before? |
| 15:58.42 | Dweezahr | yes |
| 15:58.58 | Jarvis | Dweezahr: according to this live-build is only in testing |
| 15:59.00 | Jarvis | not stable |
| 15:59.13 | Dweezahr | allright, where is the deb? |
| 15:59.22 | Jarvis | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/live-build |
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| 16:00.11 | Dweezahr | ahri, thanks |
| 16:00.19 | Jarvis | np |
| 16:00.38 | Dweezahr | I am going to use this as a live system for my portable pki |
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| 16:14.06 | yeik | I think something is wrong with the driver or this card, I can scan networks but can't seem to force a connection |
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| 16:14.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeik: wpa encrypted wireless? |
| 16:15.39 | yeik | Not this time, wep |
| 16:16.22 | yeik | Atleast nm shows a option for wireless but says disconnected and isn't scanning for them. |
| 16:16.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | just add your wireless in nm ^^ |
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| 16:18.11 | yeik | It is :( |
| 16:19.06 | yeik | Hmm wait, maybe its connecting! After I tell it to connect to a hidden network |
| 16:19.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm refering to the settings for the network connection ^^ |
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| 16:19.29 | yeik | Yes, it connected... |
| 16:19.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | neat |
| 16:19.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | now switch to wpa ^^ |
| 16:20.00 | yeik | I apparently didn't change config.mk in the driver before I compiled |
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| 16:20.17 | yeik | Lol, can't, the android phone doesn't support wpa. |
| 16:21.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | you're joking |
| 16:21.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | right? |
| 16:21.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | what is this 2001? |
| 16:21.31 | yeik | The wireless tether app doesn't anyway. |
| 16:21.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | how can a phone nowdays not support wpa? |
| 16:21.53 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
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| 16:22.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | wildc4rd: good evening! |
| 16:22.33 | yeik | I'm sure it does, as I have wpa2 at home, but to create an ad-hoc it doesn't give me the option. But I'm using an old version of the software on a rooted phone, update broke it so I reverted. |
| 16:22.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | ^^ |
| 16:22.58 | yeik | Hello and good morning wildc4rd |
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| 16:23.51 | daemonkeeper | What exactly is invoked within a Debian package when apt shows "Preconfiguring packages ..." |
| 16:24.00 | yeik | But, the cool thing is now I have a bootable usb drive and a mini usb wifi card, can go almost anywhere and get wifi access, linux vim! |
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| 16:26.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: some scripts that the maintainer packed into it I'd guess |
| 16:27.04 | daemonkeeper | Sure. Which exactly though? |
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| 16:29.36 | yeik | Daemonkeeper: I think that is a rather broad question, different versions, the command you typed to invoke apt, etc. Are all variables. |
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| 16:30.23 | daemonkeeper | My package gets "Can't exec "/tmp/mypackage.config.6381": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168." I have no idea why. config is my debconf script, but that _is_ in debian/ |
| 16:30.28 | complete | Good Evening Debian! Are you here or are you already moved to 2011? If anybody is still here ... i have a question: Whats a good way to find all files that contain the word "cheese" but not the word "coke"? |
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| 16:33.23 | Jarvis | complete: grep could do it |
| 16:33.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: so you're having trouble with a selfbuilt package? |
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| 16:33.53 | Jarvis | use remember -v inverts the match |
| 16:33.56 | Jarvis | just |
| 16:34.24 | daemonkeeper | Yes. I'm trying to install my own package. |
| 16:34.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: what sort of project is it? |
| 16:34.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: and what guide did you follow to build the .deb? |
| 16:35.43 | complete | Jarvis: well, to say it with linus words: "words are cheap, show me code". show me your bash line that finds files that contain cheese but not code. then i believe you. |
| 16:36.00 | daemonkeeper | No project, a little meta package I intend to use internally. The package builds fine as I can test the debconf script I wrote. |
| 16:36.34 | daemonkeeper | The package itself is also fine (in use since years). I just added a debconf script now that broke the package somehow. |
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| 16:37.02 | daemonkeeper | Although i think I have a general idea about that, as other packages I provide do make use of debconf already. |
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| 16:39.36 | daemonkeeper | Ah. I've got it. |
| 16:39.50 | Jarvis | complete: http://www.computing.net/answers/unix/grep-for-line-with-one-word-and-not-another/8427.html |
| 16:40.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: what was the problem? |
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| 16:40.30 | daemonkeeper | debconf fails to execute my script on a baseinstalled system because there is no Python available. My script is written in Python. I am just wondering why, since I've Python in Pre-Depends? |
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| 16:41.03 | complete | Jarvis: that looks like it searches for LINES. im searching for files. |
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| 16:42.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: the maintainer guide suggests to not use Pre-Depends at all |
| 16:42.46 | Azrael_- | how can i distinguish wether a partition is ext3 or ext4? (after the upgrade with squeeze it is mounted as ext4) |
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| 16:43.59 | daemonkeeper | KaffeeJunky123: I did as debconf-doc tutorial suggested. What's the alternative? |
| 16:44.25 | frikinz | Azrael_-: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 16:45.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: well, I'd use Depends but I'm really not into packaging stuff myself ^^ |
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| 16:45.09 | Azrael_- | frikinz: THX |
| 16:45.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: I'd hilighy doubt the problem is Pre-Depends |
| 16:45.43 | daemonkeeper | KaffeeJunky123: It is. Once i call dpkg-reconfigure again, after having Python installed, the package installs seamless. |
| 16:46.12 | frikinz | complete: find . -type f -exec awk '/cheese/ && !/coke/ {print FILENAME}' "{}" \; |
| 16:46.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: well you could try Depends then ^^ |
| 16:46.33 | complete | frikinz: wow, thats even nicer then the solution from #bash. which is find dir -type f -exec awk '/cheese/{f=1}/coke/{c=1;exit}END{exit !f ||c }' {} \; -print |
| 16:47.02 | daemonkeeper | That won't work, if I require the said package during the installation process, if I'm not wrong? |
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| 16:47.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: I'm unsure about that, but you trying won't hurt ^^ |
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| 16:48.23 | frikinz | complete: actually mine is wrong, it's line by line. so prefer the one from #bash :) |
| 16:49.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: Depends " The package will not be installed unless the packages it depends on are installed. Use this if your program absolutely will not run (or will cause severe breakage) unless a particular package is present. " from the debian maintainer's guide |
| 16:49.42 | daemonkeeper | Whereas pre-depends means: |
| 16:49.43 | daemonkeeper | Pre-Depends |
| 16:49.43 | daemonkeeper | This is stronger than Depends. The package will not be installed unless the packages it pre-depends on are installed and correctly configured. |
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| 16:49.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: so I'd guess those packages will be installed before it's trying to install yours |
| 16:50.08 | complete | frikinz: yeah! i diffed the two and saw that yours misses some files. |
| 16:50.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | "Read: don't use it at all. :-) " |
| 16:50.12 | daemonkeeper | I'll give a try, I'm pretty sure you're wrong though. |
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| 16:50.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | how does your dependencies list look like anyways? |
| 16:50.39 | daemonkeeper | Depends: sudo, openssh-server, zsh, vim |
| 16:50.39 | daemonkeeper | Pre-Depends: python, debconf (>= 0.2.26) |
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| 16:52.15 | daemonkeeper | Where the pre-depends packages are needed to configure the package itself. |
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| 16:57.04 | frikinz | complete: from #perl :) -> my ($cheese, $coke); while ( <$in> ) { $cheese ||= /cheese/; $coke ||= /coke/ } if ( $cheese and !$coke ) { ... |
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| 16:58.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: try ${python:Depends} and dh_python |
| 16:58.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: sorry for the stupid smiley ^^ |
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| 17:00.03 | daemonkeeper | Isn't dh_python (which is deprecated by the way) to build dependencies for software using python (e.g. to grep needed libraries out of the source)? |
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| 17:01.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: yes it is |
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| 17:01.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: by the Pre-Depends isn't what you think it is ^^ |
| 17:01.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_system_administration/debian_linux_guides/debian_linux_faq/ch-pkg_basics.en_009.html read |
| 17:01.30 | daemonkeeper | Yes, seems to work with Depends. |
| 17:02.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: good =) |
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| 17:04.28 | daemonkeeper | Now I have just to find out, why my script isn't called unless I dpkg-reconfigure it. Isn't a fresh install a 'configure' and dpkg-reconfigure 'reconfigure'? |
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| 17:04.52 | daemonkeeper | As command line argument i mean |
| 17:05.37 | yeik | Not really sure, don't create packages. |
| 17:05.52 | daemonkeeper | Wasn't asking you ;) |
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| 17:07.35 | yeik | Lol of course not, you were asking anybody who did know. |
| 17:07.45 | yeik | So I was just saying that I dont |
| 17:08.17 | daemonkeeper | http://www.digipedia.pl/man/doc/view/debconf-devel.7/ Although it should ... |
| 17:08.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: reconfigure does just rerun the config scripts, from what I know |
| 17:09.11 | frikinz | daemonkeeper: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html you'd have to read this maybe? (good luck) |
| 17:09.25 | daemonkeeper | It runs the debconf script with different arguments, refer to debconf-devel(7) |
| 17:09.30 | daemonkeeper | If a package is reconfigured, with dpkg-reconfigure, its config script it run, and is passed the parameters âreconfigureâ and installed-version. |
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| 17:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions spamassassin |
| 17:14.11 | judd | Package spamassassin on i386 -- etch: 3.1.7-2etch1; etch-volatile: 3.2.3-0.volatile1; etch-backports: 3.2.5-2~bpo40+1; lenny-volatile: 3.2.5-2+lenny1.1~volatile1; lenny: 3.2.5-2+lenny2; lenny-backports: 3.3.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.3.1-1; squeeze: 3.3.1-1 |
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| 17:14.54 | merkur2k | is there any way to have a package run a preinst script before installing dependencies? |
| 17:15.05 | merkur2k | my googlefu is failing me |
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| 17:16.52 | pipeline | that doesn't sound logically possible |
| 17:17.12 | Nepherius | hey , I'm trying to install nvidia-glx but I get The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx : Depends: nvidia-kernel-195.36.31 .Also tried installing legacy but i get nvidia-glx-legacy : Depends: nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx but it is not going to be installed , any suggestions ? |
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| 17:18.57 | merkur2k | or possibly some other way of doing what i need; modify something on the system before installing an existing package, without modifying said package |
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| 17:21.18 | yeik | much easier from here than from my phone |
| 17:22.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | merkur2k: create a dummy package that does whatever you need and add it as a dependencie to your other package ^^ |
| 17:22.49 | yeik | KaffeeJunky123, thats inventive. |
| 17:23.02 | Nepherius | so no suggestions for me ?:( |
| 17:23.04 | merkur2k | that would require modifying the upstream package, which isnt an option |
| 17:23.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: you're providing to few information |
| 17:23.30 | Nepherius | what do you need to know ? |
| 17:24.07 | merkur2k | and the opposite way, creating a package that depends on the upstream package, the preinst runs after the upstream package installs |
| 17:24.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: how are you trying to install nvidia-glx and provide a paste of the full output of the installation process |
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| 17:27.35 | Nepherius | http://pastebin.com/Dxa7Pcvi |
| 17:29.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-freedrivers you might want to read this |
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| 17:31.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) this is the part you're interested in I'd guess |
| 17:31.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: unless you've got a custom kernel |
| 17:32.17 | Azrael_- | is there a howto for migrating custom startup-scripts to the lsb-system? |
| 17:32.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | Nepherius: I'm off now, but you should be able to solve this yourself :) |
| 17:33.26 | frikinz | Azrael_-: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 17:35.00 | Azrael_- | frikinz: thx, but isn't it more difficult with this system to find out what script starts when if i try to figure it out manually? |
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| 17:37.10 | frikinz | Azrael_-: you want to create your own init script or migrate all from debian hum manually? I did some init scripts; the only one I cared about were the virtual ones (network, remote_fs,..) |
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| 17:39.40 | Azrael_- | no, i don't want to do it, but sometimes i have to do it (e.g. teamspeak and others) but if i want to debug for errors i think it'll be rather difficult to manually find out the startup-order in the current system |
| 17:40.00 | cristi8 | happy new year, guys! |
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| 17:40.32 | Azrael_- | cristi8: still some hours to go :) |
| 17:40.42 | yeik | Azrael_-, are you just trying to find the script? and is it your script, or someone elses? |
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| 17:42.02 | Azrael_- | the scripts are by someone else and i have to migrate them to the new system. frikinz already gave me the site which helps a lot for it. i just wanted a way to see in which order all the scripts would be started without restarting the server and then having a look into the logs |
| 17:42.23 | yeik | oh ok |
| 17:42.42 | yeik | did you get your ext3 vs ext4 filesystem figured out? |
| 17:42.46 | Azrael_- | yeah |
| 17:42.52 | Azrael_- | file -s /dev/md1 works fine |
| 17:43.19 | yeik | ok, good. |
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| 17:46.18 | Nepherius | wll i tried what Kaffe suggested but that also gives me an dependency error , any suggestions are welcomed .. |
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| 17:53.35 | em | what is the latest debian version? |
| 17:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | em: 5.0.7 |
| 17:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | em: lenny |
| 17:54.06 | em | hm okay |
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| 17:54.22 | em | when you are installing lenny does it give you a way to set up encrypted LVM ? |
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| 18:03.34 | Nepherius | guess everyone is gone :( |
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| 18:04.51 | nirazio | What is meta key and hyper key? |
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| 18:06.48 | homie | usually meta is ALT |
| 18:06.56 | homie | but i don't know about hyper, maybe it' |
| 18:06.59 | homie | is |
| 18:07.14 | homie | mapped to the windows keys ? or some such ? |
| 18:08.25 | nirazio | Oke |
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| 18:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | !telll Nepherius about nvidia |
| 18:09.41 | Cibort | Hi, I would know when launched Debian 6? |
| 18:09.52 | Cibort | Stable |
| 18:09.56 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: What release are you using? |
| 18:10.04 | Nepherius | squeeze |
| 18:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: Not ready yet. |
| 18:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: Still testing. |
| 18:10.39 | Cibort | Ah Okey :D |
| 18:10.47 | Nepherius | and I am already on that page ..I tried what kefe suggested and it failed as well |
| 18:11.00 | Nepherius | http://pastebin.com/ud1LXtVJ |
| 18:11.57 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: Pastebin your sources.list |
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| 18:12.16 | Cibort | jhutchins_lt: many months? |
| 18:12.34 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: No guarantees with squeeze, but you should be able to resolve dependencies with aptitiude. |
| 18:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: No schedule, it releases when it's ready. |
| 18:13.08 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze bet |
| 18:13.08 | dpkg | To add a bet to the <squeeze pool>, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 2 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 2 is full, create squeeze pool 3 and update this factoid. |
| 18:13.10 | Cibort | It is going to install debian and whether you need to upgrade soon, I'd rather wait |
| 18:13.20 | Nepherius | http://pastebin.com/dQWeK1vA |
| 18:13.29 | Cibort | Ah okey :D |
| 18:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: Stable/Lenny is recommended if you need to actually use the computer. |
| 18:13.34 | Cibort | Thanks jhutchins_lt :) |
| 18:13.57 | Cibort | Okey! |
| 18:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: You can install testing as a boot option to see if it works with your hardware, and to keep track of when it's ready. |
| 18:15.13 | Cibort | Then install lenny |
| 18:15.59 | em | what is the version of debian that has the most latest packages all the time? |
| 18:16.13 | pipeline | unstable |
| 18:16.35 | Nepherius | so how can I fix it jhutchins ? |
| 18:16.51 | em | pipeline: how do you install unstable? Is there a CD installer for that? |
| 18:17.11 | pipeline | em: use the stable or testing installer and upgrade |
| 18:17.20 | pipeline | em: unstable and experimnetal installers are, themselves, unstable and experimental |
| 18:18.53 | Cibort | jhutchins_lt: One last question ... As you choose architecture? My processor is "Intel core i5" |
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| 18:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: add the words contrib non-free to the end of the two deb lines |
| 18:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: then use aptitude to install. |
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| 18:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: I would recommend i386/i686 unless you know you need 64b compatibility. |
| 18:21.37 | Cibort | In my previous system and install that I did not recognize all ram |
| 18:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: How much? |
| 18:21.50 | Nepherius | install what the glx ? |
| 18:21.56 | Cibort | 1 GB |
| 18:21.59 | Cibort | Minus |
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| 18:22.21 | yeik | i dont recomment 32 bit to anybody. |
| 18:22.25 | yeik | recommend* |
| 18:22.28 | jhutchins_lt | Cibort: Don't know why it would have failed to recognize 1g, the limit is @4G. |
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| 18:22.55 | jhutchins_lt | 32b is better for desktops, multimedia software tends to be a little smoother. |
| 18:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | 64b is pretty well worked out these days, but not needed by most users, and most software doesn't take advantage of it. |
| 18:23.24 | yeik | jhutchins_lt, you have to factor in all sorts of other things like video cards, into the 4G limit |
| 18:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | yeik: Not really. |
| 18:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | yeik: Video RAM is not part of the limit. |
| 18:24.02 | Cibort | Okay I'll install i386/i686 |
| 18:24.15 | yeik | in every case i have seen, but then im use to seeing 4 gb, and having huge video cards. and it has always used the video as part of the limit. |
| 18:24.26 | Cibort | My computer have 3 GB ram |
| 18:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I thought you said 1. Still, 3 works with 32b, and there is 32b hugemem if you need to go 4+ |
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| 18:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | yeik: For someone who's not yet familiar with Debian 32b is a bit easier to learn on. |
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| 18:27.36 | stew | learning debian is no different for 64 bit as it is for 32 bit |
| 18:27.47 | Nepherius | that worked , thanks jhutchins |
| 18:27.50 | Cibort | What I want is an operating system that I recognized all my hardware and not have as many problems as my other distribution, something more solid |
| 18:28.01 | yeik | jhutchins_lt, i could understand a little bit if you have to configure packages or compile, becuase there are a few 32 vs 64 issues, like flash i think still has issues |
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| 18:28.44 | yeik | but i hate when people say to use 32 bit when 64 bit works just as well if not better, because that lets people who write software continue to write 32 bit instead of making everything 64 bit compatible at least. |
| 18:29.36 | yeik | Cibort, what other distributions have you tried? sometimes some hardware just doesn't work right. and some features aren't available in linux without special configuration. |
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| 18:31.08 | Cibort | yeik: I tried Ubuntu, Debian (long ago) and Arch-linux, Ubuntu now hold |
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| 18:31.47 | Cibort | Long time no debian occupy |
| 18:32.29 | Cibort | I hate to speak ill, but I do not want more ubuntu |
| 18:33.12 | yeik | a lot of people don't like the ubuntu changes, but ubuntu is just a specially packaged debian, with a few things added here and there. |
| 18:33.35 | Cibort | They have excellent support, but when you upgrade, you always ruin things that have nothing to do with updating |
| 18:34.52 | Cibort | If it is, but the changes are going to do, I prefer Debian, and I read on the web that will have a core debian 6 completely free and I like the idea |
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| 18:36.45 | ManateeLazyCat | How to disable TouchPad, i have try gsynaptics, but looks can't work, always enable after some time. |
| 18:36.55 | Cibort | Thank you very much for your time and jhutchins_lt Yeik :) |
| 18:37.00 | yeik | do you install or customize anything Cibort ? |
| 18:37.12 | karlpinc | Cibort: Debian traditionally upgrades well. |
| 18:37.35 | karlpinc | Cibort: There are some debian related things you may wish to know. |
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| 18:38.53 | karlpinc | Cibort: Type: "/msg dpkg bdo", "/msg dpkg volatile", "/msg dpkg kmuto", and, depending on your hardware, you may wish to read the install guide or type "/msg dpkg installer firmware" to deal with non-free firmware. |
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| 18:39.37 | karlpinc | Cibort: And "/msg dpkg dmm" |
| 18:40.13 | Cibort | Okey :D |
| 18:40.27 | Cibort | <yeik> do you install or customize anything Cibort ? <----- updates |
| 18:40.31 | frikinz | ManateeLazyCat: maybe try synclient? |
| 18:41.22 | ManateeLazyCat | frikinz: I have try, can't work. |
| 18:41.54 | ManateeLazyCat | gsynaptics can work when i set it, but i don't know why it can't work after some time. |
| 18:42.00 | Cibort | makes my backups and I'll go to debian, I'm not very happy with ubuntu |
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| 18:42.42 | ManateeLazyCat | frikinz: gsynaptics can't work always, i don't know why, i missing something? |
| 18:43.03 | ManateeLazyCat | I really hate TouchPad move my cursor when i coding. |
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| 18:44.01 | frikinz | ManateeLazyCat: remove gsynaptics? |
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| 18:44.30 | ManateeLazyCat | frikinz: ? Remove gsynaptics, which software can fix my problem? |
| 18:45.46 | stew | ManateeLazyCat: you could try synclient/syndaemon instead |
| 18:46.02 | Nepherius | Could something else other than the graphic card be the reason why AWN is not looking the way its supposed to ?:) |
| 18:46.15 | frikinz | stew: it's what I proposed him above |
| 18:46.43 | frikinz | I think now it's handled directly by xorg/hal ? |
| 18:46.48 | cheasee | how do i force usage of gcc 4.1.2 if gcc 4.1 and 4.3 are both installed? |
| 18:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | AWN? |
| 18:47.26 | Nepherius | avant-winndow-manager |
| 18:47.46 | Iridos | HAL2010... avaunt! |
| 18:49.28 | frikinz | cheasee: update-alternatives --config gcc ? |
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| 18:49.56 | Maahes | anyone familiar with aptitude's ncurses interface? I've read through the manual but I'm not sure I've seen anything related to what I want it to do: I want it to sort by state flags, so I can have all %u and all %H grouped together, etc. |
| 18:50.13 | ManateeLazyCat | stew: Can you more detail? |
| 18:50.16 | Maahes | Nepherius: bad install, buggy version, compositing not working right |
| 18:50.23 | Maahes | or not turned on |
| 18:51.31 | cheasee | frikinz, ill try that, google told me changing the symlink in /usr/bin/gcc to gcc-4.1 |
| 18:51.34 | cheasee | thanks |
| 18:51.45 | frikinz | cheasee: debian has a nice handling of alternatives |
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| 18:53.33 | Nepherius | guess debian dosen't have "hardware / aditional drivers" thing like ubuntu ? |
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| 18:55.14 | ThePub | Nepherius: what do you mean? |
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| 18:56.08 | Nepherius | Just some option i saw in ubuntus menu , made things rly easy :) |
| 18:56.13 | ThePub | Nepherius: Doesn't AWN require compositing to "look correct"? If you don't have a compositing WM then it would have a large boxy background no? |
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| 18:56.44 | ThePub | Nepherius: Ubuntu is all about being "really" easy at the expense of user choice. If you want "really easy" it probably is one of the best choices. |
| 18:56.53 | ManateeLazyCat | Sweet, synclient TouchpadOff=1 fix my problem, thanks all. |
| 18:57.08 | Nepherius | yea it has that largy boxy background :) |
| 18:57.26 | ThePub | Nepherius: what is your wm? |
| 18:57.46 | Nepherius | eh i tried maverick but to powerful for my old pc :) |
| 18:57.48 | Nepherius | my wm ? |
| 18:58.01 | ThePub | wm = window manager |
| 18:58.07 | Nepherius | aa gnome |
| 18:58.27 | ThePub | gnome isn't a window manager :) are you using the stock WM.. what is it, erm.. metacity? |
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| 18:59.01 | Nepherius | ok you lost me ..I am new to linux :) |
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| 18:59.18 | Nepherius | how do I find out ? |
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| 19:00.18 | ThePub | gnome is a "desktop environment" like windows, macos, kde, etc. They tie together components, like a "window manager" to display you pretty pictures in an organized way. anyways, if you have a large box in the back of awn you might want to enable compositing. |
| 19:00.53 | ThePub | http://www.deltanova.co.uk/linux/how-to-enable-compositing-in-metacity/ |
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| 19:01.39 | ManateeLazyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weS6zys3U8k http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Manatee |
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| 19:02.14 | Nepherius | first thing thre gives me a nice error |
| 19:02.54 | ThePub | oh well, you now know why it's blocky. it was a stab in the dark that apparently missed :) time to do some reasearch on your own I suppose. |
| 19:03.02 | ThePub | hasn't used gnome since 2000 |
| 19:04.00 | Nepherius | its some error i get lately something with dbus |
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| 19:08.00 | Nepherius | hmm should I have a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 19:08.12 | ManateeLazyCat | Hmm, syncclient TouchpadOff=1 still can't work. |
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| 19:09.34 | rkvirani | Am I muted? |
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| 19:10.09 | rkvirani | I cant find irssi or xchat for my debian machine, when I type apt-cache search irssi it doesnt show up, I noticed there are alot of peices of software that are not available in Debian 5. Are there some repos missing from my /etc/apt/sources.lst? |
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| 19:10.43 | valdyn | rkvirani: how would we know whats missing in your sources.list ? |
| 19:11.01 | rkvirani | valdyn, sorry its an out of the box sources.list |
| 19:11.13 | stew | rkvirani: we'd know if you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" or show us the contents of source.list |
| 19:11.19 | rkvirani | are there any additional repos that would be benificial to add for things like xschat and irssi? |
| 19:11.21 | stew | rkvirani: (use a pastebin, please) |
| 19:11.29 | stew | rkvirani: those would be in the main debian repos |
| 19:11.30 | rkvirani | ok will do |
| 19:11.31 | rkvirani | bbias |
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| 19:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions irssi |
| 19:14.56 | judd | Package irssi on i386 -- etch: 0.8.10-3; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.15-2; squeeze: 0.8.15-2 |
| 19:15.27 | rkvirani | lol I need to put more RAM in my VM |
| 19:15.40 | rkvirani | http://pastebin.ca/2035227 |
| 19:16.38 | stew | rkvirani: yes, you have volatile and security which are only partial repos with updates, but not a main repo, what country are you in? |
| 19:16.50 | rkvirani | CA |
| 19:17.18 | rkvirani | The installer asked me about adding updates from the internet at the time of installation and I said no. |
| 19:17.20 | stew | rkvirani: add "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.og/debian lenny main" |
| 19:17.22 | rkvirani | Would this be why? |
| 19:17.27 | stew | yes |
| 19:17.46 | rkvirani | stew, ahh makes sense |
| 19:17.48 | stew | after adding that (and if you like, a matching deb-src line), run "aptitude update" |
| 19:18.26 | rkvirani | I should be mainly good from here except for a wifi issue on my other laptop, works out of the box with ubuntu but I think it needs some propreitary firmware file to run, it was mentioned during setup... where would I go to find it? |
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| 19:18.49 | rkvirani | And wants the best OSS equivalent to RDP for Windows? |
| 19:18.57 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973324] ata7: COMRESET failed (errno=-16) |
| 19:19.00 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973349] ata7: reset failed, giving up |
| 19:19.02 | JyZyXEL | [729980.973373] ata7.00: disabled |
| 19:19.08 | JyZyXEL | how do i manually enable ata7.00 again? |
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| 19:23.25 | Iridos | hdparm perhaps? |
| 19:23.59 | JyZyXEL | hmm good idea |
| 19:26.40 | karlpinc | rkvirani, stew: I just wrote a new factoid for newbies. What do you think? |
| 19:26.42 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 19:26.42 | dpkg | See: <security> support (auto-installed); <kmuto>, install on new hardware; <installer firmware>, non-free firmware issues; <backports>, newer software for <stable>; <volatile>, <stable> software that must be new to work (spam scanners, etc.); <multimedia> software excluded for legal reasons; <non-free> and <contrib>, non-free software; <emdebian>, embedded devices; <debian-live>, running without installing. |
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| 19:29.16 | rkvirani | stew, couldnt resolve ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 19:29.17 | karlpinc | rkvirani: rdesktop? See "/msg dpkg search" to find more. (Many prefer vnc over ssh.) |
| 19:29.21 | rkvirani | should I just find my own mirror? |
| 19:29.45 | rkvirani | karlpinc, rdesktop is the client, I wanted a server software that does the equivalet of RDP services |
| 19:29.58 | karlpinc | rkvirani: For debian? |
| 19:30.00 | stew | rkvirani: ftp.ca.debian.org should work. but /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:30.11 | rkvirani | hrm... |
| 19:30.23 | rkvirani | it says it couldnt resolve it so it went to volatile.debian.org |
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| 19:30.55 | stew | rkvirani: then you have problems with your dns |
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| 19:31.25 | bjk | anyone know how to get lyx to export to linuxdoc format? |
| 19:31.44 | rkvirani | stew, nm it was a line error in the message above /.og/.org |
| 19:31.45 | karlpinc | rkvirani: Many like x11vnc over ssh. Others do ssh -Y and just run X itself. Some use openvpn for security instead of ssh. |
| 19:32.06 | rkvirani | karlpinc, does it allow for a persistant desktop session? |
| 19:32.12 | karlpinc | bjk: I thought lyx just did docbook. |
| 19:32.28 | karlpinc | rkvirani: I believe that x11vnc (or some other vnc) does. |
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| 19:33.30 | rkvirani | bbias |
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| 19:33.58 | rkvirani | x11vnc eh |
| 19:34.02 | rkvirani | ok I will go and give that a shot. |
| 19:34.11 | rkvirani | It would be nice to have access to my box at home |
| 19:34.21 | rkvirani | any ideas on finding what firmware file I need for wifi and setting it up? |
| 19:34.35 | rkvirani | I must say I do like the debian kde3 setup |
| 19:34.42 | rkvirani | so much nicer than that kde4 thing |
| 19:36.01 | karlpinc | rkvirani: I can't say, but debian's bound to move to kde 4 eventually. (It might even be in squeeze.) |
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| 19:36.44 | rkvirani | konqueror dont like fb |
| 19:36.57 | bjk | karlpinc, i cant export a document as sgml |
| 19:37.05 | rkvirani | hrm.. perhaps I can upgrade just konq |
| 19:37.30 | frikinz | rkvirani: it's usually not necessary to have the complete desktop shown. Unlike in windows, you can connect through ssh and run only one graphical application from your local machine. Or simply only use command line; normally sufficient. |
| 19:37.39 | karlpinc | bjk: Sorry. It's been too long since I did anything with lyx. I don't recall anything. |
| 19:37.41 | bjk | karlpinc, i've read that there was a template linuxdoctemplate.lyx for new documents but i dont see it anywhere in the dist |
| 19:38.30 | rkvirani | frikinz: well the problem is that I am on windows at work and I dont really like the idea of cygwin |
| 19:38.47 | frikinz | I connect from work (windows,cygwin) to home and run firefox from there |
| 19:39.02 | karlpinc | rkvirani: Home network uplinks tend to suck. YMMV. |
| 19:39.03 | frikinz | works perfectly |
| 19:42.24 | rkvirani | karlpinc: its just for testing. |
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| 19:43.07 | rkvirani | So sorry where would I find the setup docs for wireless on a laptop... right now Im in vmware but I have machine I want to run natively and it was complaining I didnt have XYZ firmware file |
| 19:45.20 | Iridos | http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 19:45.36 | Iridos | rkvirani, /msg dpkg wireless |
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| 20:06.22 | Azverkan | I am rebuilding a lenny machine which was attacked by a scripted exploit. I had tripwire, chkrootkit, and rkhunter on the machine and also used debsums, but I am not confident that I was able to find everything using them which is why I am doing the rebuild. I already migrated the package list to the new install via dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections. Is there a recommended way to migrate the debconf data? |
| 20:09.45 | centHOGG | did they get your root info? |
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| 20:14.13 | Azverkan | unsure but changing just be safe |
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| 20:14.24 | Azverkan | likely no |
| 20:14.31 | centHOGG | which is good |
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| 20:15.00 | Azverkan | I thought it was funny that the attack script had the lines commented in it |
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| 20:15.11 | centHOGG | troublemakers |
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| 20:15.42 | centHOGG | what kind of server |
| 20:16.09 | centHOGG | last lenny i had was a galley server |
| 20:16.15 | centHOGG | gallery |
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| 20:24.49 | Maahes | is there a way, using aptitude or whatever, to unset the remembered package state? I have packages that did not finish configuring (because the file system is read only [live usb]) and I downgraded them back to what they should have been, but now they're unconfigured too |
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| 20:26.50 | yeik | if its truly read only then rebooting should fix it. |
| 20:30.01 | Maahes | yeik: it's partially read only, the config dirs and such are writable, the kernel, busybox, etc, are not |
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| 20:35.08 | Nepherius | how do I add a new resoution ? |
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| 20:46.03 | rkvirani | hrm... |
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| 20:50.31 | BLZbubba | is it possible to remove a package with a dependency but leave the dependency on the system? |
| 20:50.43 | BLZbubba | i guess I could list the files and | xargs rm them, but that seems even grosser |
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| 20:53.43 | abrotman | nsadmin: unsure, there is an android dev channel on freenode |
| 20:54.56 | rkvirani | so the suggestion is x11vnc eh |
| 20:55.11 | rkvirani | I will give it a shout is there a good quick tutorial on x11vnc over ssh for debian? |
| 20:56.14 | BLZbubba | ok and then is it possible to apt-get something if there is a failed dependency? |
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| 21:10.19 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, how could i install debian on a machine that doesn't have a graphic card? |
| 21:11.29 | rkvirani | CyberDomovoy: boot it up and get a reverse ssh connection? |
| 21:11.32 | rkvirani | hrm... |
| 21:11.51 | rkvirani | there are some distros that support setup over VNC but Im not sure about debian. |
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| 21:13.55 | nsadmin | I think debians of late can do it |
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| 21:14.08 | nsadmin | that is, install via ssh |
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| 21:14.23 | nsadmin | check this: |
| 21:14.25 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 21:14.25 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.7) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 21:30.31 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: Or use the serial port as a console. |
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| 21:32.15 | karlpinc | !tell Azverkan about aptitude clone |
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| 21:39.52 | CyberDomovoy | is the serial console enabled by default? is there a way to use it by the network? |
| 21:41.17 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: I forget whether it's enabled. I think so, because I've installed on several boxes with no video and don't recall anything speical. |
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| 21:43.03 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: The only way to use it on the network is to plug the serial port into another device that's network capabable. Usually another computer connected to the network. (This is typical if you're serious about remote support for any sort of box -- enable the serial console and put grub on the serial port. This also preserves logs and enables debugging that you just can't get without physical presence.) |
| 21:43.45 | hoban | hello. I'm looking for a simple suggestion. My wife wants to run a stable linux distro on her laptop (she is used to using Ubuntu) but has a requirement that she use gimp 2.6. Should I install lenny and then build gimp from source or I would I be better off using squeeze now that it's frozen? |
| 21:43.52 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: Read the install guide for details vis a serial install. |
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| 21:44.07 | karlpinc | ,versions gimp |
| 21:44.09 | judd | Package gimp on i386 -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; sid: 2.6.11-1 |
| 21:45.10 | karlpinc | hoban: Hard to say. You could try to backport it yourself using the debian tools. |
| 21:45.13 | karlpinc | !ssb |
| 21:45.14 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:46.10 | karlpinc | !gdebi |
| 21:46.10 | dpkg | [gdebi] a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility. https://launchpad.net/gdebi |
| 21:46.21 | hoban | karlpinc: I wouldn't expect to end up in dependency hell should I do something like that? |
| 21:46.58 | karlpinc | hoban: Not if you backport. gdebi by itself can get you in trouble if you try to install something not-in-your-release. |
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| 21:47.23 | FlUnKoUt | hi/salut |
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| 21:47.52 | Dwade09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.53 | CyberDomovoy | is badblock available on the netinst cd? |
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| 21:48.36 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: Yes. (At least for lenny. Or so I recall. Could be wrong.) |
| 21:48.44 | CyberDomovoy | great |
| 21:49.16 | karlpinc | Dwade09: This channel is for debian support. We can't help with mint because it's offtopic, and we could give the wrong advice and break your box. |
| 21:49.58 | hoban | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 21:50.05 | Dwade09 | karlpinc, i was sent here through ##ubuntu |
| 21:50.17 | CyberDomovoy | i found this: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1357 in the comments there a short howto for presseeding the installation to use ssh :) then if badblock is there i'll even be able to check my disks \o/ |
| 21:50.43 | hoban | !bdo |
| 21:50.44 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 21:52.40 | karlpinc | !tell hoban about msg the bot |
| 21:56.11 | FlUnKoUt | good night |
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| 21:58.54 | karlpinc | Dwade09: I don't either. FWIW you're better off sticking with the stock kernel drivers. See the link you get by typing "/msg dpkg binary-only drivers" into your irc client. |
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| 21:59.33 | Dwade09 | thank you karlpinc ill try that. |
| 22:01.32 | hoban | thanks again karlpinc |
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| 22:03.54 | bp0 | re: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 are there some details somewhere? |
| 22:04.00 | bp0 | like a list of drivers that were removed |
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| 22:07.50 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, looks like my motherboard won't boot without a graphic card, i'm f**ked |
| 22:08.34 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: There's no bios setting or jumper? (You could put a card in and then remove it....) |
| 22:09.00 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: And then there's flashing the bios to hope that it fixes your problem. :-P |
| 22:09.30 | CyberDomovoy | karlpinc> i don't have a card that would work, i need a pcie-e one, and the only one i have is in the computer i currently use... |
| 22:10.09 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: Perhaps there's a manual that would give you hope it would work. |
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| 22:11.34 | CyberDomovoy | karlpinc> trouble is, i'm trying to make something with with all the spare hardware i collected, and i don't even know wich work, and wich don't... (i'm only sure about the motherboard, cpu and ram, i used them before upgrading my computer) |
| 22:13.14 | karlpinc | hoban: I'm curious how it works out. |
| 22:14.02 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: The mobo manual should say something about bios settings. Maybe it's on-line. |
| 22:14.56 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: There's also pxeboot for installs. Then you only need a psu, motherboard, cpu, and ram. |
| 22:15.25 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: (Well, and something to install onto, but that'll at least boot and run diagnostics.) |
| 22:15.52 | CyberDomovoy | karlpinc> i'll first check what hardware actually works ^^ having a screen to see what happens would be nice |
| 22:16.20 | karlpinc | hoban: There's also "/msg dpkg make your own .deb", but I think doing a backport from a source .deb is much better. |
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| 22:17.31 | hoban | karlpinc: yeah, I'll go that route. I'm still trying to decide if debian is right for her laptop though. How well supported is HP laptop hardware on stable? It's a 5 year old dv1000. |
| 22:19.54 | karlpinc | hoban: I am not the one to ask. But I would say that anything old is very supported. Something like that is perfect. However, I'm not a laptop guy. It's possible that there's hardware oddities that make laptop-y things not work right. |
| 22:20.24 | karlpinc | hoban: If the hardware behaves as it should then no problem. |
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| 22:21.53 | hoban | karlpinc: ok, I'll try it out and see how it works |
| 22:21.54 | karlpinc | hoban: OTOH, if it's a rare model and uses rare hardware with proprietary bits then you might have problems. Although by now much must have been figured out and made to work.) |
| 22:22.33 | smv | Happy GNU Year 2011 ! |
| 22:22.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | smv: :) |
| 22:24.22 | karlpinc | hoban: (I am especially bad at wireless.) |
| 22:26.11 | hoban | karlpinc: haha, no problem, I'll give it a shot |
| 22:26.44 | thmstcls | where is default terminal emulator set? |
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| 22:27.18 | CyberDomovoy | i have a screen! \o/ found an old pci graphic card :) |
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| 22:30.15 | karlpinc | thmstcls: Depends on the desktop/window manager. |
| 22:30.19 | CyberDomovoy | i have a cdrom drive too :) just miss a keybord, that shouldn't be too hard to find |
| 22:30.58 | thmstcls | karlpinc: thanks, i needed that lightbulb to flicker on ;| |
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| 22:31.11 | thmstcls | gonna be a long new year's eve hehe |
| 22:31.17 | thmstcls | i was looking in xorg.conf |
| 22:31.19 | thmstcls | haha |
| 22:31.21 | thmstcls | after inittab |
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| 22:37.50 | stathis_ | hi people. I'd like to enable tap-to-click feature on my touchpad. What files should I edit and what should I add to them ? |
| 22:38.00 | stathis_ | minda that I don't have any xorg.conf |
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| 22:39.15 | stathis_ | ah there's a menu for it |
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| 22:42.17 | karlpinc | stathis_: Where? |
| 22:43.15 | stathis_ | karlpinc, system -> preferences -> mouse -> touchpad |
| 22:43.56 | karlpinc | stathis_: gnome? |
| 22:44.09 | stathis_ | karlpinc, yes |
| 22:44.43 | karlpinc | stathis_: Ok. Thanks. (No gnome at the moment.) |
| 22:44.52 | stathis_ | your welcome |
| 22:45.38 | stathis_ | something unrelated. what repo should I add to my sources.list file, in order to get access to the closed non-free flash plugin from adobe? |
| 22:46.34 | tvm | just the standard one with non-free section. |
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| 22:47.21 | Arrowmaster | if you are on lenny you need backports |
| 22:47.43 | tvm | hmm, maybe yes. |
| 22:47.47 | stathis_ | I think I'm on 'unstable' (sid?) |
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| 22:47.52 | mbruins | any idea when there will be a next stable release. and please dont say when ready... just a estemate |
| 22:47.54 | tvm | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 22:48.06 | tvm | so this, i'm on squeeze and i have that plugin available with that line |
| 22:48.09 | Arrowmaster | actually its in contrib it seems, not non-free |
| 22:48.13 | stathis_ | thanks tvm :) |
| 22:49.32 | stathis_ | do I also have to add a deb-src line as well ? |
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| 22:49.42 | mbruins | and how about contrib? |
| 22:49.43 | karlpinc | !guess the release date |
| 22:49.43 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 22:49.53 | mbruins | xD |
| 22:49.57 | mbruins | ok ty karlpinc |
| 22:50.14 | tvm | stathis_: i have that line and same one with deb-src |
| 22:50.21 | tvm | that's it. |
| 22:50.29 | stathis_ | ok, thanks again |
| 22:50.33 | tvm | np :) |
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| 22:53.48 | stathis_ | ok, I did it. I then did a 'apt-get update', but apt-cache search flash | grep -i plugin doesn't show up anything related. Hm. |
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| 22:56.44 | Arrowmaster | i said that it was in contrib not non-free |
| 22:57.27 | CyberDomovoy | what's the easiest way to burn a cd under debian? |
| 22:57.49 | stathis_ | oops, sorry Arrowmaster -- works now |
| 22:57.58 | mbruins | CyberDomovoy: cdrecord imho |
| 22:58.42 | stathis_ | and now the 1M $ question. Which network manager works best with debian? :) |
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| 23:00.05 | linduxed | Happy New Year! |
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| 23:04.21 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: wodim is the cdrecord replacement. There's a kde gui app that's brain dead simple. |
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| 23:05.37 | CyberDomovoy | any gtk gui for burning a cd? |
| 23:06.40 | centHOGG | isn't there one built in? |
| 23:06.42 | centHOGG | idk |
| 23:07.22 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: debtags helps with that sort of question. |
| 23:07.36 | Arrowmaster | brasero is the gnome default i think |
| 23:08.09 | centHOGG | i use one in windows that I think is open source... imagebrn or something like that |
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| 23:19.17 | sethrd | Hey guys. Trying to get my Dell 1490 wireless card (BCM43xx) working using the wl driver. However, modprobe lib80211 fails sayng it doesn't exist, same with lib80211_crypt_tkip. Er, how do I go about getting those? |
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| 23:26.40 | stathis_ | hey people. I have no sound with debian, although my sound card is detected |
| 23:26.45 | stathis_ | (aplay -l lists it) |
| 23:26.58 | stathis_ | I can't reproduce .wav files |
| 23:27.12 | stathis_ | either from cmd line or hear songs with flash plugin in youtube |
| 23:27.30 | centHOGG | yeah, what version |
| 23:27.47 | stathis_ | squeeze |
| 23:28.05 | centHOGG | ok, has sound every worked on it before or this new install |
| 23:28.20 | stathis_ | it has worked with other linux distributions + windows xp |
| 23:28.28 | stathis_ | but 1st time I try debian |
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| 23:28.43 | centHOGG | ok |
| 23:28.57 | centHOGG | have you tried installing pulseaudio |
| 23:29.00 | centHOGG | yet |
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| 23:29.03 | stathis_ | nop |
| 23:29.06 | stathis_ | I'm using gnome |
| 23:29.09 | centHOGG | thats an option |
| 23:29.17 | centHOGG | like system are gone right? |
| 23:29.21 | centHOGG | system sounds |
| 23:29.29 | stathis_ | I can't hear system sounds |
| 23:29.31 | stathis_ | either* |
| 23:29.40 | centHOGG | yeah try that maybe google it first |
| 23:29.47 | centHOGG | because its an issue |
| 23:29.52 | centHOGG | pulseaudio is a fix |
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| 23:30.22 | stathis_ | ok thanks i will google. i'd like to avoid pulseaudio |
| 23:30.28 | centHOGG | yeah |
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| 23:31.45 | karlpinc | !tell stathis_ about alsa checklist |
| 23:32.06 | sethrd | Hey guys. Trying to get my Dell 1490 wireless card (BCM43xx) working using the wl driver. However, modprobe lib80211 fails sayng it doesn't exist, same with lib80211_crypt_tkip. Er, how do I go about getting those? |
| 23:32.26 | centHOGG | sethrd: what version |
| 23:32.38 | centHOGG | i use bcm43 |
| 23:32.53 | sethrd | Lenny. fresh install |
| 23:32.56 | centHOGG | ok |
| 23:33.11 | centHOGG | lemme think... it works ok with other versions and os? |
| 23:33.28 | centHOGG | the nic |
| 23:33.41 | sethrd | I just got the system with a blank hard drive. |
| 23:33.46 | centHOGG | alright |
| 23:33.54 | centHOGG | you know those live cds? |
| 23:33.58 | sethrd | It sees the card in lspci. |
| 23:34.05 | centHOGG | of various linux distros? |
| 23:34.17 | sethrd | No, on the box right now. |
| 23:34.35 | centHOGG | ok, what I would do is verify that the hardware is working to begin with ok? |
| 23:34.46 | centHOGG | like try another livecd to see if it can hook up with that |
| 23:34.54 | centHOGG | like ubuntu or something else |
| 23:35.00 | centHOGG | if it can you are good |
| 23:35.15 | centHOGG | then you have to see what is missing from your lenny |
| 23:35.28 | centHOGG | compare |
| 23:35.32 | stathis_ | "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" doesn't work for root |
| 23:35.46 | stathis_ | I mean file is played fine, but I get not sound |
| 23:35.57 | sethrd | Alrighty. I'll mess around with it some more then. |
| 23:36.03 | centHOGG | after pulse audio? |
| 23:36.20 | stathis_ | nop, trying 'dpkg' suggestions |
| 23:36.35 | stathis_ | modprobe snd-pcm-oss didn't help either |
| 23:36.50 | centHOGG | like it works with an ubuntu livecd right? |
| 23:37.05 | stathis_ | yeh |
| 23:37.07 | centHOGG | good |
| 23:37.17 | centHOGG | i've had this problem on new install |
| 23:37.29 | centHOGG | no sound, no system sound |
| 23:37.39 | centHOGG | added pulse audio... got sound |
| 23:37.53 | centHOGG | google |
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| 23:38.31 | stathis_ | oh wait, I did a 'alsactl init' and now the .wav played fine |
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| 23:38.40 | centHOGG | good for you |
| 23:39.25 | stathis_ | and youtube is ok too. So.. :) How would I make 'alsactl init' persistent across reboots ? :p |
| 23:39.29 | stathis_ | is pita |
| 23:40.05 | centHOGG | google :P |
| 23:40.15 | Vorbote | stathis_: now, as root, do "alsactl store 0" to save the default configuration. That way it will be restored on bootup. |
| 23:40.15 | stathis_ | damn :P |
| 23:40.26 | stathis_ | Vorbote > google |
| 23:40.40 | stathis_ | thanks |
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