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| 00:05.48 | acu_ | I am trying to delet some folders using rm -r foldername and it takes forever (more than an hour for few hundred gigs) is that normal ? |
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| 00:06.11 | acu_ | how can I stop that process and restarted |
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| 00:10.52 | xand | acu_: you could ctrl-c to stop it, but I would just leave it... |
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| 00:12.31 | acu_ | xand: are there other commands for delete - faster ? |
| 00:12.40 | xand | er, not really |
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| 00:14.42 | acu_ | xand: thanks |
| 00:14.56 | acu_ | ctrl+c does not work anyhow |
| 00:15.07 | acu_ | something might be screwed |
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| 00:38.55 | sonnie | i met a severe problem "insserv: There is a loop at service rmnologin if started". kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, testing version |
| 00:41.26 | CyberDomovoy | when badblocks keep printing numbers... are these dead blocks? |
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| 00:45.28 | sonnie | i met a severe problem "insserv: There is a loop at service rmnologin if started". kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64, testing version |
| 00:45.31 | linux_probe | if you did badblocks with "-s" it will list each block as it checks |
| 00:46.38 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> -vw , so i guess these are dead |
| 00:47.09 | linux_probe | well, im not sure if "-v" verbose reports each block it scans or not |
| 00:47.22 | linux_probe | also i hope there wa snothign on there you wanted |
| 00:47.41 | linux_probe | as "-w" writes and destroys data |
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| 00:48.43 | Rotham | hey.. noob question alert :D ... How do can I setup ftp on my server? |
| 00:48.50 | Rotham | or whats a good resource to read for that... |
| 00:49.07 | CyberDomovoy | oops, another disk, running badblocks on it seemed to went well, until it crashed the system... guess this one is dead too (debian 5.0 netinst cdrom, recovery mode) |
| 00:49.23 | CyberDomovoy | hope i'll find at least one disk that i can install on... |
| 00:49.45 | acu_ | I have some issues with access |
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| 00:50.31 | linux_probe | maybe the disks arent the issue :-P |
| 00:51.36 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> they are, i fond 1 that is good, but it only have 3.5Gb on it |
| 00:51.53 | linux_probe | lol |
| 00:52.03 | linux_probe | time to buy an hd? |
| 00:52.32 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> those are some disk i got from old computer found here and there |
| 00:52.40 | linux_probe | just booted debian for the first time in 380 days, doh |
| 00:52.50 | linux_probe | it was screaming at me =p |
| 00:52.52 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> i just ordered for 4 disk of 1To each :) |
| 00:53.02 | linux_probe | ah, nice |
| 00:53.35 | CyberDomovoy | but i'd like to dedicate them to data, so if i could find one for the system... |
| 00:53.43 | linux_probe | i have 4 1tb's setup as two raid-1's |
| 00:53.51 | linux_probe | and a 2tb for backups |
| 00:54.20 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> i prefer raid5 |
| 00:54.25 | linux_probe | amongst the other couple dozen smaller drives , 500gb or less |
| 00:54.27 | CyberDomovoy | with lvm |
| 00:54.32 | linux_probe | raid-5, mehhhhh |
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| 00:54.52 | linux_probe | on larger drivers your far more likely to have a second failure while trying to rebuild |
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| 00:55.01 | linux_probe | and that's death on raid-5 |
| 00:55.11 | CyberDomovoy | well, this will give me 3To of space, raid1 would give me only 2 |
| 00:55.25 | linux_probe | yep |
| 00:55.40 | CyberDomovoy | linux_probe> hmmm, good point, but, i need space :) |
| 00:55.42 | linux_probe | i ran raid-10 for a while also |
| 00:55.52 | linux_probe | got tired of it and split to two raid-1's |
| 00:56.03 | CyberDomovoy | raid10? what's that? |
| 00:56.16 | linux_probe | just how it looks |
| 00:56.19 | peetra | If I decide to install 4 OS on the same disk, debian, fedora, ubuntu and kubuntu and I have no or very wage knowledge about debian, isn't it then probably best to start with debian? |
| 00:56.21 | linux_probe | raid 1+0 |
| 00:56.28 | CyberDomovoy | ho, ok |
| 00:57.10 | CyberDomovoy | raid7 looks nice, if you have a lot of disk... |
| 00:58.35 | CyberDomovoy | peetra> why would you install 4 linux os? isn't one sufficient? if you want to test, don't bother installing them on your drive, just use a virtual machine |
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| 01:00.14 | peetra | I have intended to use at least ubuntu and kubuntu so a dualboot is the least. |
| 01:00.55 | peetra | And I want to try how it will end up with four. ;-P |
| 01:00.57 | Arrowmaster | why would you need both? |
| 01:01.01 | CyberDomovoy | peetra> what about ubuntu, with gnome and kde installed, and select the one you want at login? |
| 01:01.35 | CyberDomovoy | peetra> better, what about debian, with gnome, lxde, kde install, and select at login? |
| 01:02.13 | peetra | kde installed on ubuntu does not give me the same options as Kubuntu. |
| 01:03.12 | Arrowmaster | thats a stupid fault of ubuntu and kubuntu then, its possible to do that without having two distros |
| 01:03.19 | peetra | Hih, CyberDomovoy is a true debian-man. :) I have to have some Ubuntu somewhere, ubuntu is my lifeline. :) |
| 01:03.40 | linux_probe | id load one and use the rest as virtual machines :) |
| 01:03.53 | CyberDomovoy | ho, then i suggest you multi-boot, debian, ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, slack, fedora... |
| 01:03.59 | acu_ | how can I give full access write and read to everybody to a folder and its contents ? |
| 01:04.02 | peetra | ofcourse it is possible to get all the same stuff on both, but I don't have the necessay skills |
| 01:04.24 | CyberDomovoy | and of course window |
| 01:04.47 | peetra | virtual machines might be a better option... Haven't used those ever, so I didnät came to think about it. |
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| 01:05.04 | CyberDomovoy | peetra> i suggest you test all of this in a virtual machine, then install the one you prefer, and stick to it |
| 01:05.26 | linux_probe | he'll end up with a broken mess of a bootloader :-P |
| 01:05.42 | CyberDomovoy | sure, but he want to test :) |
| 01:06.13 | linux_probe | he'll learn fast that way i guess |
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| 01:06.22 | peetra | I'll install my favourite and use virtual machine for the other ones. Probably, thx, Great with other ppl, so one don't get stocked with stubberned thoughts! :D |
| 01:06.23 | Arrowmaster | most should hopefully setup chainloading instead of overwritting the bootloader |
| 01:06.27 | CyberDomovoy | and messing things is a good way to learn, as long as try to fix, and not reinstall ;) |
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| 01:07.23 | linux_probe | yeah, dedicated /boot parition for say ( grub) then load each os's own bootmenu ) boot from parition |
| 01:07.38 | peetra | :D I am studing IT at this time, so I'll have in mind to try to fix before I reinstall. :D |
| 01:07.53 | peetra | Happy New Year 2011! thx |
| 01:08.20 | CyberDomovoy | ho yeah, one more year, forgot about it |
| 01:08.52 | CyberDomovoy | where is my champagne? |
| 01:08.54 | dvs | peetra: congrats. We all have only one more year (according to one movie) |
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| 01:10.19 | CyberDomovoy | good news everyone! we're all gonna die! But it will be fast and painless. Or not... |
| 01:10.47 | dvs | Oh yeah. Skynet comes online this year. |
| 01:10.49 | peetra | wonders how she wandered into doomsday channel..... |
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| 01:12.15 | CyberDomovoy | doomsday... is that related to a known game? are we all gonna live with a load of big fat ugly monsters, and die with a shotgun in the hands? |
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| 01:16.41 | linux_probe | reads up and inserts foot in mouth for calling peetra a "him" |
| 01:17.05 | linux_probe | faceplams and reminds himself one should never assume anything :| |
| 01:18.21 | peetra | ASSUME = makes an ASS of U and ME ;-) |
| 01:18.30 | linux_probe | ._. jah |
| 01:18.57 | peetra | is so happy she had an opportunity to use that quote. :D |
| 01:19.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 01:20.16 | CyberDomovoy | Kamping_Kaiser> ho, you're there too :) |
| 01:20.19 | Crisco | what CD would I find mplayer and all the media codecs? |
| 01:22.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | CyberDomovoy: always |
| 01:23.26 | Jarvis | Assumption: The mother of all F*** Ups |
| 01:24.35 | dvs | Crisco: no Internet connection? |
| 01:25.16 | qq- | !multimedia |
| 01:25.17 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 01:27.12 | nsadmin | abrotman, what did you do/get to run the android emu directly under kvm? (as this may be ot, could you please /msg me the answer) |
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| 01:32.03 | CyberDomovoy | how can i know what tech my hard drive is? (ata133, sata, sata-II...) is there a command that says it? |
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| 01:35.33 | ryan-c | CyberDomovoy: Well, you can look up the drive's model with sudo hparm -i /dev/sdX and then search for that online |
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| 01:36.07 | CyberDomovoy | ryan-c> thx |
| 01:36.15 | streuner_ | dpkg, info lshw |
| 01:36.25 | linux_probe | or look at them physically, lol |
| 01:36.37 | ryan-c | sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda seems to have a 'transport' field |
| 01:36.43 | dpkg | lshw: (information about hardware configuration), section utils, is optional. Version: 02.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
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| 01:39.41 | debiantonio | dmesg |
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| 01:42.29 | debiantonio | 11:43pm here beeerrr down 8( |
| 01:48.15 | debiantonio | get more...happy 2011 :P |
| 01:48.15 | bocaneri | Happy gnu year! |
| 01:48.54 | Mad7Scientist | remember when it was 11111111 whatever in unix time |
| 01:50.14 | ryan-c | the most recent interesting time was 1234567890 |
| 01:50.57 | ryan-c | 11111111 was in 1970.... |
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| 01:52.06 | debiantonio | 1 January, 1293840000 |
| 01:52.32 | debiantonio | 2011 |
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| 01:56.17 | Mad7Scientist | yeah it was 1234567890 |
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| 01:56.55 | CyberDomovoy | how much disk space would take a minbase install, with apache, php, mysql, and git? |
| 01:57.41 | jhutchins_lt | 4-6G. |
| 01:58.13 | CyberDomovoy | and nfs, but that don't really take space |
| 01:58.42 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, 4-6... that could do the trick, i have 2 disks of about 3Go each |
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| 02:01.06 | CyberDomovoy | is there something that could make badblock success on those two, and fail on all the others, wich are bigger? i find it strange that on 8 disk tested, only those 2 are sane |
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| 02:02.02 | Mad7Scientist | CyberDomovoy, did you buy them used? |
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| 02:02.16 | Mad7Scientist | Often they start to go and lose a few sectors and people switch them out |
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| 02:02.19 | Mad7Scientist | or else |
| 02:02.20 | Silicium | hi there |
| 02:02.23 | Mad7Scientist | It is just with age |
| 02:02.42 | Mad7Scientist | Maybe it was bumped while running and a few sectors got knocked out |
| 02:02.43 | debiantonio | 2011, January 11293840000 ! |
| 02:02.45 | Silicium | whats about debian kbsd? it is GNU style with initscripts etc? or really BSD Style? |
| 02:02.53 | Silicium | or just BSD kernel and GNU userland? |
| 02:02.59 | Rotham | super-newb question... I have a debian server and I am running dpkg-reconfigure locales ... it pops up a dialog window... but I cant figure out how to select any of the language options... when I hit enter it just closes, and says its generating, but I dont think it is.... |
| 02:03.00 | Mad7Scientist | these drives are from before they automatically reallocate sectors |
| 02:03.37 | CyberDomovoy | Mad7Scientist> these come from here and there, didn't buy them |
| 02:03.54 | Mad7Scientist | There is nothing wrong with a few bad sectors |
| 02:04.02 | Mad7Scientist | unless you're getting more |
| 02:05.02 | CyberDomovoy | Mad7Scientist> actually, a few would be great, but the failing disks did at least had a load of them, when they didn't make badblocks crash the system |
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| 02:05.33 | Mad7Scientist | CyberDomovoy, my laptop here is spending over 6 hours to format the drive |
| 02:05.37 | CyberDomovoy | they were all badly stocked in my garinge since a year, or much |
| 02:05.39 | Mad7Scientist | because of all the bad clusters |
| 02:05.52 | CyberDomovoy | s/garinge/garage |
| 02:06.00 | Mad7Scientist | why does it crash the system |
| 02:06.15 | CyberDomovoy | if only i knew it |
| 02:06.30 | Mad7Scientist | describe crash |
| 02:06.57 | CyberDomovoy | crash mean blinking led on the keyboard, nothing responding, and a dump on the screen |
| 02:07.30 | Mad7Scientist | what process crashes? |
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| 02:07.32 | CyberDomovoy | with some stuff in the dump talking about dma and such |
| 02:07.34 | Mad7Scientist | are these IDE drives |
| 02:07.41 | Mad7Scientist | disable DMA on the drives with hdparm |
| 02:07.51 | Mad7Scientist | hdparm -d0 -c1 /dev/hda |
| 02:08.07 | debiantonio | Rotham, select with spacebar |
| 02:08.14 | CyberDomovoy | yes, ide, i test by booting debian 5.0 netinst in rescue, switching to a console after setting the language, and running badblocks |
| 02:08.30 | Mad7Scientist | try without DMA |
| 02:08.34 | CyberDomovoy | ok |
| 02:08.41 | debiantonio | Rothan, mark/unmark |
| 02:08.52 | Mad7Scientist | that's actually a kernel bug |
| 02:08.58 | Mad7Scientist | it shouldn't crash like that |
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| 02:09.25 | Mad7Scientist | Kernel Panic!!! |
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| 02:09.39 | debiantonio | #1 |
| 02:09.42 | Rotham | debiantonio: thank you :D |
| 02:10.04 | CyberDomovoy | well, this wil help some of them maybe, but others are definitly dead, i can tell it by the noise they make at boot, or as soon i start badblocks |
| 02:10.16 | debiantonio | :-D |
| 02:11.36 | debiantonio | get more beer yeeehhhhh happy Debian new year! |
| 02:11.56 | Mad7Scientist | I forget if raid 10 or 01 is better |
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| 02:12.45 | Mad7Scientist | raid 10 = [(raid 0) RAID 1 (raid 0)] |
| 02:12.48 | Mad7Scientist | right |
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| 02:17.29 | Mad7Scientist | Which single CD version of debian should I download? |
| 02:17.43 | Mad7Scientist | I want something that's new but not bleeding edge |
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| 02:17.49 | Mad7Scientist | It's my first time |
| 02:18.13 | debiantonio | CD1 |
| 02:19.03 | Mad7Scientist | debiantonio, aren't there different versions, like an unstable and such |
| 02:19.43 | debiantonio | http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 02:21.31 | Quantum_Ion | Do you use Ubuntu Linux too ? |
| 02:22.06 | dvs | Mad7Scientist: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:22.14 | debiantonio | now Knoppix 6.4 |
| 02:22.33 | debiantonio | usb pendrive |
| 02:23.42 | Mad7Scientist | Whet version of vim would I get with stable? I have vim 7.3 now with Gentoo |
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| 02:24.14 | sethrd | Woo hoo! Got wireless working. |
| 02:24.16 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, 7.1 |
| 02:25.02 | Quantum_Ion | sethrd, If you used Ubuntu Linux you would have be online a lot sooner ! |
| 02:25.24 | sethrd | Quantum_Ion: Yeah, but I wanted to run Ubuntu.... |
| 02:25.26 | sethrd | Er. |
| 02:25.29 | sethrd | Crap.... |
| 02:25.37 | Quantum_Ion | sethrd, wtf |
| 02:25.39 | Mad7Scientist | ready to get cancer! |
| 02:25.47 | Mad7Scientist | and wifi induced mood changes |
| 02:25.50 | Mad7Scientist | hehe |
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| 02:26.00 | sethrd | Quantum_Ion: I wanted to run Debian, not Ubuntu. |
| 02:26.07 | Quantum_Ion | Mad7Scientist, Can you get cancer from wifi ? |
| 02:26.26 | Mad7Scientist | Well it's microwave radiation. You certainly can from phones but wifi is less harmful. |
| 02:26.43 | Mad7Scientist | Microwave ovens often leak like 1 or 2W |
| 02:26.52 | Mad7Scientist | wifi is only 50 - 100mw |
| 02:27.14 | Mad7Scientist | The thing about radiation poisoning is that 10W isn't 10 times worse than 1W |
| 02:27.19 | Mad7Scientist | it's maybe 3 times as bad |
| 02:27.44 | Mad7Scientist | Which is good news if you're exposed to high power radiation, and bad news if you're exposed to low powered radiation |
| 02:28.14 | sethrd | ....Oh. Thanks for the lesson |
| 02:28.17 | Mad7Scientist | Having the wifi access point sitting there 24/7 broadcasting the beacons bothers me |
| 02:28.18 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, If you have broadband internet through an ethernet card I would recommend a netinstall image. |
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| 02:29.30 | Mad7Scientist | ElDiabolo, can I get the latest versions of packages that way? |
| 02:29.39 | shalok | Why does it take several seconds to view the contents of directories with large numbers of files using gui's (gnome/kde/whatever) even though listing the same files at the command line is instantaneous? |
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| 02:30.47 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, Testing (squeeze) is in feature freeze and should be usable |
| 02:30.55 | debiantonio | Mad7Scientist, i recommend live cd |
| 02:32.07 | ElDiabolo | vim in squeeze is 7.2 |
| 02:33.02 | Mad7Scientist | I haven't really had any trouble with Gentoo having the latest versions of everything |
| 02:33.09 | Mad7Scientist | well not quite the latest latest |
| 02:33.57 | Mad7Scientist | I guess it's in between Testing and unstable |
| 02:34.16 | sethrd | shalok: Using something like Nautilus, it has to process the file type and show the apropriate image / thumbnail and lots of other data where as in CLI it just needs to list name, permissions, etc. |
| 02:34.25 | sethrd | shalok: Basically, less data to read. |
| 02:35.24 | shalok | sethrd, I'd prefer speed over thumbnails. How do I turn them off? |
| 02:35.40 | sethrd | Look through the file manager options.. |
| 02:35.53 | sethrd | Anywho, I'm off. |
| 02:36.42 | ElDiabolo | shalok, Edit > settings > preview |
| 02:37.51 | Mad7Scientist | If I install everything on the 1st CD of stablern |
| 02:38.05 | Mad7Scientist | can I go and update everything from the Internet if I want without too much trouble? |
| 02:38.09 | Mad7Scientist | update to testing or such |
| 02:38.26 | dvs | Mad7Scientist: you can't install everything on the first CD |
| 02:38.34 | Mad7Scientist | oh why not? |
| 02:38.46 | Mad7Scientist | dependancies are on later CDs? |
| 02:38.51 | dvs | Mad7Scientist: packages will conflict with each other. |
| 02:39.15 | linux_probe | ahh, sounds like the debian i remember |
| 02:39.17 | Mad7Scientist | well is easy to install most everything? |
| 02:39.25 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, not necessarily on a by package basis. You can full-upgrade to testingg without too much trouble. |
| 02:39.33 | dvs | Mad7Scientist: But installing the 1st CD will allow you to install other packages over the Internet. |
| 02:39.33 | Mad7Scientist | It can't be more complicated than Gentoo can it |
| 02:40.02 | Mad7Scientist | CD1 = Net install CD + some packages yeah |
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| 02:41.03 | Arrowmaster | if you want to use testing you are better off just getting the latest testing netinstall and using it if you have a working internet connection at install time |
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| 02:42.35 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, with testing netinstall over wifi should be possible in most cases. |
| 02:43.00 | CyberDomovoy | Mad7Scientist> i don't have hdparm on the debian cd... |
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| 02:51.19 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, i have a load of "end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector xxxxxxx" on that disk |
| 02:52.05 | CyberDomovoy | could my problems come from something else than the disks? like the ide controller, or the cable or ... |
| 02:52.53 | CyberDomovoy | looks like running badblock on that disk just report ALL blocks being bad |
| 02:53.34 | streuner_ | How old is the HD? |
| 02:55.02 | CyberDomovoy | old, 2003, but i tested 9 disks, only 3 didn't report any bad blocks, and those 3 are about 3Go, the others are bigger, and all reports a load of bad blocks, or even crsh the kernel saying something about dma |
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| 02:56.03 | poisonbit | see if any chipset is overheated... and of course bad ide cables can make I/O errors, I've seen it |
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| 02:56.28 | poisonbit | anyway if you want to be more sure, you can test them again on other hardware |
| 02:56.47 | streuner_ | it would be helpful, if those HDs have SMART available, new HDs arent that expensive nowadays... |
| 02:58.17 | streuner_ | (besides, you will need a NEW HD anyway...) |
| 02:58.30 | streuner_ | sooner or later :-) |
| 02:58.45 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, just saw i have a little ventilator not turning on my motherboard... dunno what is under it anyway, but that's hot |
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| 02:59.33 | streuner_ | AND, a new cable is helpful too :-) |
| 02:59.51 | CyberDomovoy | streuner_> the story is i ordered 4 disk of 1To each, but i'd like to use them for data only, so i'm looking in my bunch of hardware if there is a drive or two i could use for the system |
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| 03:01.22 | poisonbit | IDE will slow down the system I/O |
| 03:01.45 | poisonbit | supposing that the new discs are at least sata |
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| 03:03.11 | CyberDomovoy | poisonbit> so maybe i should use the sata disks i'll receive for the system too? |
| 03:03.42 | streuner_ | CyberDomovoy: if you cant be sure about the HDs, you cannot be sure, that you have to go to this soon again... |
| 03:03.54 | poisonbit | 4 disks of 1 TB sounds that a perfect setup... I personaly could try to avoid using old ide ones |
| 03:04.08 | CyberDomovoy | ok |
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| 03:04.46 | CyberDomovoy | i'd like to test those disks anyway, just know if i should throw them awy, or if they still can be of any use one day |
| 03:05.34 | poisonbit | if they doesn't have s.m.a.r.t. you can always try the support page |
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| 03:05.51 | poisonbit | seagate, fujitsu, etc has programs to test hard disks |
| 03:06.06 | poisonbit | usually ms-dos programs lol |
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| 03:06.20 | CyberDomovoy | and that ventilator not turning is not good, but there is a lot of dust in it ^^ maybe cleaning it would fix it |
| 03:06.29 | ElDiabolo | CyberDomovoy, but better be shure about the motherboard, too. If its actually the chipset thats causing bad blocks you should know that. |
| 03:06.53 | CyberDomovoy | ElDiabolo> yes, but how could i know that? |
| 03:07.16 | poisonbit | there is 2011... we should be using Debian Hollywood O.S. and we still are cleaning motherboards |
| 03:07.18 | Mad7Scientist | CyberDomovoy, look at dmesg to see if its using DMA you can also try passing ide=nodma to the kernel |
| 03:07.27 | ElDiabolo | CyberDomovoy, if the new disks have bad blocks, its the chipset. |
| 03:07.45 | streuner_ | or a bad cable :-) |
| 03:08.00 | Mad7Scientist | ElDiabolo, are you implying that with stable there is no wifi support so I can't netinstall over wifi? |
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| 03:08.17 | calliscope | hi |
| 03:08.28 | streuner_ | used an old cable and got headaches |
| 03:08.32 | CyberDomovoy | ElDiabolo> nice, screw up new disk to know if you could avoid it... |
| 03:08.42 | ElDiabolo | CyberDomovoy, if smart reports the disks as OK, although badblocks reports bad blocks, its the motherboard or the cable, too. |
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| 03:08.55 | poisonbit | got an iMac @ 24" 3 years ago... 4 years ago!! and I0ve not open my debian@64 desktop since 4 years ago... |
| 03:09.21 | poisonbit | no hardware issues at home is nice for a sysadmin work |
| 03:09.37 | CyberDomovoy | i found 3 sane disk using badblocks, of about 3Go each, don't that indicate the motherboard/cable is fine? |
| 03:09.42 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, With testing there is wifi support in the netinstall system. |
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| 03:10.13 | Mad7Scientist | ElDiabolo, what's this I read about not having security announcements for testing? |
| 03:10.29 | Mad7Scientist | most of the security announcements for stable should apply to testing too should they not |
| 03:10.30 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, I am not shure if stable has wifi support in netinstall |
| 03:11.02 | Mad7Scientist | I just want to install as much as I can from one CD then upgrade. I want to learn how to upgrade - I need to learn at some point. |
| 03:11.09 | streuner_ | some wifi stuff is supported, but usually you need to install firmware or such |
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| 03:11.34 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, depends, if you are setting up a server you'd better use stable. |
| 03:11.36 | streuner_ | newer kernels have better support |
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| 03:12.56 | Mad7Scientist | streuner_, heck I don't want an old kernel they are fully of exploits! |
| 03:13.02 | Mad7Scientist | Every couple months a new local exploit is found |
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| 03:13.27 | streuner_ | Mad7Scientist: thats why Debian has security.debian.org :-) |
| 03:13.30 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, people that know how to hack linux consider servers the more attractive target and automated attacks (worms and viruses) are really rare. |
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| 03:13.56 | streuner_ | Mad7Scientist: even a stable (Debian) kernel has updates :-) |
| 03:14.01 | poisonbit | last ISP I purchased a server, gives debian but with updated (and monolitic) kernels, availables to choose on /boot and under netboot |
| 03:14.23 | Mad7Scientist | streuner_, so once I install stable off the CD the 1st thing I should do is update the kernel just like installing Windows XP |
| 03:14.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, +tell Mad7Scientist -about security |
| 03:14.49 | dpkg | told Mad7Scientist about security. |
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| 03:18.58 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, if you downloaded the cd it has the latest kernel. |
| 03:19.42 | Mad7Scientist | </2010> <!-- Everybody! --> |
| 03:20.06 | Mad7Scientist | The date on the CD image for stable is November |
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| 03:26.24 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, my lenny kernels change log has its last entry dated Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:46:00 -0700 |
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| 03:28.25 | dvs | Happy New Year's, Newfie! |
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| 03:35.13 | Mad7Scientist | ElDiabolo, better upgrade |
| 03:35.15 | Mad7Scientist | Â Linux Kernel < 2.6.37-rc2 ACPI custom_method Privilege Escalation |
| 03:35.24 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, tge ventilator of my chipset is dead... |
| 03:35.29 | Mad7Scientist | or disabel ACPI |
| 03:35.43 | CyberDomovoy | and the chipset doesn't look very good too |
| 03:35.46 | Mad7Scientist | what's TGE ventilator |
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| 03:35.56 | CyberDomovoy | lol |
| 03:36.14 | CyberDomovoy | s/tge/the |
| 03:36.35 | CyberDomovoy | guess i'll have to find another motherboard |
| 03:37.16 | CyberDomovoy | but... i don't have any other motherboard with sata... santa! where are my presents? give me money! |
| 03:38.56 | Iridos | you must mean satan |
| 03:39.16 | Silicium | hmm |
| 03:39.23 | Mad7Scientist | santa uses SAS |
| 03:39.33 | Silicium | Santa -.- |
| 03:40.02 | Silicium | Satan uses USB |
| 03:40.07 | CyberDomovoy | Iridos> well, i guess satan would here me better than santa, so you may be right |
| 03:40.22 | ElDiabolo | Mad7Scientist, don't care, the users on that box are family. |
| 03:40.29 | Silicium | @all. does it make sense that my md-raid 5 takes double usage on one disk in the whole array? |
| 03:40.40 | Silicium | so parity should be distributed ober all disk, i mean? |
| 03:42.10 | wolfric | Is it possible to set up a cluster of sorts with debian where there are 2 servers that are completely mirroring each other. So if one goes down, its seamless. This includes any programs running on the box not just a web server for example |
| 03:42.10 | Mad7Scientist | parity should be distributed yeah |
| 03:42.53 | Silicium | hmm |
| 03:42.59 | Silicium | then the disk must be broken |
| 03:43.09 | Silicium | that goddamn WD 1.5TB disks |
| 03:43.12 | Silicium | i hate them |
| 03:43.13 | Mad7Scientist | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 03:43.25 | Mad7Scientist | my seagate keeps getting kicked out of the raid |
| 03:43.31 | Mad7Scientist | I have to keep adding it back in |
| 03:43.32 | Silicium | no, that just shows me if the km know that the disk is broken :D |
| 03:43.37 | Mad7Scientist | I think it gets a reallocated sector |
| 03:43.47 | Corey | Mad7Scientist: What do the logs say? |
| 03:43.48 | Silicium | it must be a controller issue |
| 03:44.02 | Silicium | its just slower than the other |
| 03:44.12 | Mad7Scientist | Corey, I think the log got deleted |
| 03:44.17 | ElDiabolo | nappy new year and gd n8. |
| 03:44.20 | Silicium | could also be a broken cable |
| 03:44.37 | Silicium | or cheap sata controller |
| 03:44.44 | Mad7Scientist | I think each time it gets a read error it kicks it our of the array |
| 03:44.55 | Silicium | dont get any read errors |
| 03:44.58 | Mad7Scientist | I have 19 reallocated sectors now |
| 03:44.58 | Silicium | its just slow |
| 03:45.07 | Mad7Scientist | that's what mine does |
| 03:46.08 | Silicium | .o(Whats happen when i remove the disk from the array) |
| 03:46.13 | Silicium | lets try :D |
| 03:46.54 | Mad7Scientist | It'll fail it :P |
| 03:47.01 | Mad7Scientist | then you have to rebuild with mdadm |
| 03:47.06 | Silicium | of course, just then another disk dies |
| 03:47.07 | Silicium | :D |
| 03:47.28 | Mad7Scientist | yeah |
| 03:47.30 | Mad7Scientist | of course |
| 03:47.30 | Silicium | Mad7Scientist: yes, and if the disk/cable/controller is broken, the raid should speed up |
| 03:47.48 | Mad7Scientist | hdparm -t /dev/each single drive |
| 03:47.56 | Mad7Scientist | see if they are all fast |
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| 03:49.33 | Silicium | ok just another disk takes the 100% usage |
| 03:49.45 | Silicium | that means that a mdraid problem |
| 03:50.22 | Silicium | i jave just a load of 2.5 for 2 cores |
| 03:50.33 | Silicium | with a 40MBps troughput |
| 03:50.46 | Silicium | with crytpo and mdraid |
| 03:51.12 | Silicium | that must be faster |
| 03:52.16 | Silicium | oh, now 80MB/s |
| 03:52.20 | Silicium | 120 |
| 03:52.22 | Silicium | uuuh |
| 03:52.25 | Silicium | with crypto |
| 03:52.28 | Silicium | yay |
| 03:53.40 | Mad7Scientist | after you pulled the drive? |
| 03:53.55 | Silicium | yep |
| 03:54.22 | Silicium | will test iostat with 30sec avg |
| 03:55.09 | Silicium | 40MB util:60% |
| 03:55.42 | Silicium | allright, lets change the disk |
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| 04:02.23 | wolfric | sorry for repeating, seems it got washed away in teh conversations: Is it possible to set up a cluster of sorts with debian where there are 2 servers that are completely mirroring each other. So if one goes down, its seamless. This includes any programs running on the box not just a web server for example |
| 04:02.29 | wolfric | the rather |
| 04:02.40 | Mad7Scientist | possible sure somehow but I have no idea |
| 04:03.31 | Mad7Scientist | wolfric, for web sites don't they have multiple A records in the DNS result to distribute over multiple web servers? |
| 04:06.55 | wolfric | i said not just web servers |
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| 04:07.49 | wolfric | and that's not clustering, which was why i specifically mentioned web servers ironicly |
| 04:08.53 | Mad7Scientist | wolfric, how do your users know to switch to the backup? |
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| 04:10.25 | wolfric | that's the whole point, to create a 2 servers that mirror each other in every way. They aren't 2 seperate servers, you could load balance connections between them or simply redirect traffic from one server to another at the firewall |
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| 04:31.43 | karlpinc | wolfric: You use heartbeat and drdb and probably other stuff. |
| 04:31.57 | karlpinc | !heartbeat |
| 04:31.57 | dpkg | from memory, heartbeat is a package which detects node failure and controls node failover in a cluster. See also <ldirectord>. |
| 04:32.08 | wolfric | cheers |
| 04:32.26 | karlpinc | !drbd |
| 04:32.26 | dpkg | [drbd] Distributed Replicated Block Device. It is designed for building high availability clusters, by mirroring a block device via a dedicated network. You could see it as a network RAID-1. Lenny users: the ABI compatibility issue introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21lenny3 is fixed in drbd8 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1 (DSA 2015-1), ask me about <dsa>, <security>. |
| 04:32.53 | wolfric | will this mirror memory and hense sessions though for example. So if i have an ssh session, i'd like it to be mirrored on both servers or else be able to seamlessly migrate over if needed |
| 04:33.13 | karlpinc | wolfric: Etc. Follow the factoids. |
| 04:34.33 | karlpinc | wolfric: I don't know. I would guess not but could be wrong. That kind of stuff is usually done at the hardware level. |
| 04:35.41 | karlpinc | wolfric: You can do that sort of stuff with virtual machines. There's dynamic migration facilities. But I'm not familiar with the details or how well they test for and respond to failure. |
| 04:35.45 | wolfric | I know of windows servers that will do it |
| 04:36.06 | wolfric | karlpinc: happen to know any more key words relating to what i'm trying to get at |
| 04:36.36 | karlpinc | wolfric: Look into virtualbox. Maybe xen. Probably kvm. (I think kvm. My brain is leaking.) |
| 04:38.26 | karlpinc | wolfric: But to really do it right you probably need _some_ level of hardware support -- that found in more recent/higher end processors. But that's a guess. |
| 04:39.38 | karlpinc | wolfric: I'd stay away from xen if I were you. It probably won't ever make it into the stock kernel. (Likewise for vmware. :-) |
| 04:42.52 | karlpinc | wolfric: FYI. Network bandwidth is just not in existance to fully sychnronize RAM. So you either do it in hardware or you lose _something_ on failure. |
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| 05:00.27 | diago1 | Happy New Year! |
| 05:00.32 | Backup | fuck yeha!" |
| 05:01.25 | gwz | Happy new year all! |
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| 05:13.06 | ubiquitous1980 | I don't nag, I whine. |
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| 05:46.55 | Juzzy | any grub guru's here? |
| 05:47.20 | yagoo | Juzzy, just ask the question to the channel |
| 05:47.24 | Juzzy | I have a full working linux hdd, and I built a software raid |
| 05:47.26 | yagoo | !ask |
| 05:47.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:47.31 | Juzzy | sorry. :) |
| 05:47.49 | Juzzy | So i built a raid1 / (which has /boot) |
| 05:48.05 | Juzzy | now I'm trying to get grub on the raid. |
| 05:48.17 | Juzzy | I've grub-installed all the physical drives |
| 05:48.22 | un214 | raid 1 = mirroring right? |
| 05:48.26 | Juzzy | correct. |
| 05:48.37 | un214 | install it as if there was no raid |
| 05:48.42 | Juzzy | but it's still looking for old uuid |
| 05:48.50 | Juzzy | even tho /boot has no sign of the old settings |
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| 05:49.04 | Juzzy | I don't want to reinstall |
| 05:49.06 | un214 | ugh |
| 05:49.15 | un214 | try using /dev/sdxy nodes |
| 05:49.30 | Juzzy | well, i need /dev/md0 |
| 05:49.38 | un214 | no you don't |
| 05:49.39 | Juzzy | else it wont be fail-safe |
| 05:49.48 | un214 | boot can't use software raid |
| 05:49.54 | Juzzy | it can use raid1 |
| 05:50.05 | un214 | not until kernel is loaded |
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| 05:50.20 | Juzzy | k |
| 05:50.21 | un214 | if you lose first disk, switch disks physically and it will boot |
| 05:50.38 | un214 | assuming you used /dev/sdxy rather than uuid |
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| 05:50.45 | Juzzy | yea ok |
| 05:50.52 | Juzzy | lemme try that |
| 05:50.53 | Juzzy | thanks |
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| 05:50.55 | un214 | (this is one of the few places where uuid = known worse) |
| 05:52.04 | un214 | now the trick is you have to install the grub stage 1 and 1.5 to both disks |
| 05:52.23 | Juzzy | hrm |
| 05:52.33 | un214 | lilo would have been easier, just fix mbr |
| 05:52.38 | Juzzy | so I might have to rebuild this then |
| 05:52.44 | un214 | maybe not |
| 05:53.01 | Juzzy | well If I get root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 05:53.02 | un214 | grub block lists works like lilo -- records block addresses to a file |
| 05:53.14 | Juzzy | then it'll boot and mount root to / |
| 05:53.14 | un214 | you will pass root=/dev/md0 to kernel |
| 05:53.26 | Juzzy | ah |
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| 05:54.04 | un214 | so you have to configure grub to use block lists, and transfer first 482 bytes to second disk |
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| 05:55.34 | Juzzy | http://pastebin.com/qM7A7DXk |
| 05:55.38 | Juzzy | there's an entry |
| 05:55.47 | Juzzy | it's insmodding mdraid |
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| 05:56.23 | Juzzy | do I need to grub-install again? after modifying? |
| 05:56.31 | Juzzy | grub.cfg / etc |
| 05:56.44 | un214 | shouldn't need to but it might be safer to |
| 05:57.22 | un214 | why do you have part_msdos 3 times? |
| 05:58.01 | Juzzy | confession time: this is ubuntu 10.10 ;( |
| 05:58.12 | Juzzy | and it's f'ing retarded |
| 05:58.27 | Juzzy | they removed menu.lst and went to some auto-generating crap |
| 05:58.56 | un214 | hot tip: apt-get install lilo |
| 05:59.14 | Juzzy | ooooooo |
| 05:59.18 | Juzzy | hot damn |
| 05:59.21 | Juzzy | it worked! |
| 05:59.23 | un214 | they haven't messed with lilo |
| 05:59.29 | un214 | oh good it worked |
| 05:59.34 | un214 | if it worked don't touch |
| 05:59.40 | Juzzy | yea grub-install was all it needed |
| 05:59.55 | un214 | worst case if you lose your primary second is intact but doesn't boot |
| 06:00.12 | Juzzy | well i didnt specify /dev/sd* |
| 06:00.16 | Juzzy | so it should be fine |
| 06:00.56 | Juzzy | nice, and raid knows the new drive letters |
| 06:01.09 | Juzzy | sdb -> sda, etc |
| 06:01.23 | Juzzy | now I need to add a new drive to the array and I'm done |
| 06:01.30 | Juzzy | what a good way to start the new yrs |
| 06:01.35 | Juzzy | happy new yrs btw |
| 06:01.39 | Juzzy | thanks |
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| 06:13.33 | Fireballoon | I have a question : how I access my grub configuration in order to add my other distribution... It was deleted from the menu during installation. |
| 06:14.20 | Fireballoon | Somebody knows? |
| 06:14.55 | Fireballoon | Ok, thanks, bye |
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| 06:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | kAFWWOOM! mERRY NEEW UEAR! |
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| 06:30.30 | \13k | happy new year |
| 06:30.37 | [Sanyi] | you too |
| 06:30.38 | [Sanyi] | :) |
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| 06:45.26 | _joey | how do i find and remove orphaned dependency packages? |
| 06:47.44 | CyberDomovoy | apt-get autoremove ? |
| 06:48.04 | _joey | i need interactive removal |
| 06:49.00 | CyberDomovoy | what do you mean, interactive removal? you want it to ask for each file it will remove? |
| 06:50.57 | _joey | that's what the term 'interactive' mean in the context |
| 06:52.37 | access_d | any devs here working on the squeeze installer? |
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| 06:55.03 | CyberDomovoy | _joey> autoremove will tell you what packages it will remove, if you don't agree, tell him not to do it, and remove the packages you want by apt-get remove. If you want to act on the files, then i guess you'll have to inspect the packages in order to know what files they would remove, and do what you want from here |
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| 06:56.37 | CyberDomovoy | _joey> you may want to take a look at deborphan too, maybe it finds more than apt-get autoremove, i don't know |
| 06:56.55 | _joey | deborphan and wajig |
| 06:56.58 | _joey | this what i need |
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| 07:25.47 | jaggz- | If I had an IP on one system, but I downed that iface and am bringing the same IP up on another computer -- but it says "cannot assign requested address" .. what do I do? |
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| 07:26.49 | un214 | huhwhat |
| 07:26.55 | un214 | ifconfig should always do it |
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| 07:43.17 | Bushmills | what says "cannot assign requested address" on that other computer? |
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| 07:56.29 | e1z0 | Bushmills, where you seen that message ? |
| 07:56.51 | un214 | Bushmills didn't see it |
| 07:56.53 | un214 | jaggz did |
| 07:57.06 | e1z0 | btw, happy new year! |
| 07:57.07 | e1z0 | :-) |
| 07:57.15 | un214 | ah |
| 07:57.24 | un214 | somebody else wants to celebrate newyears here |
| 07:57.30 | un214 | there go the fireworks |
| 07:57.34 | un214 | 3 minutes early |
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| 07:57.56 | e1z0 | hmm there already is new year |
| 07:57.57 | e1z0 | lol |
| 07:58.08 | e1z0 | 9:58 AM |
| 07:58.14 | un214 | timezone! |
| 07:58.25 | e1z0 | yeah |
| 07:59.01 | un214 | since after me is pacific basin I almost always only have to worry about 1 way |
| 08:00.46 | un214 | happy new year |
| 08:00.48 | un214 | good night |
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| 08:19.52 | SolomonKull | Is there a release date for Squeeze yet? |
| 08:20.48 | SolomonKull | Does anyone know when 6.0 is going to be released to the public? |
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| 08:25.56 | Jarvis | SolomonKull: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/12/msg00002.html |
| 08:26.05 | Jarvis | was the last update on the list |
| 08:26.29 | Jarvis | release-date hasnt been set yet, but hopefully will be soon |
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| 08:28.31 | SolomonKull | Jarvis: if someone is using testing right now, and then when squeeze is updated they wanted to continue to use squeeze stable, would it just be a matter of changing the repos before updateing/upgrading so that reinstalltion is not required? |
| 08:29.20 | SolomonKull | Let's say im using testing, and want to use stable when it comes out, is my testing installation okay to use if I change the source list to stable without updating? |
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| 08:31.54 | Jarvis | if you wish to do that, use the release name: squeeze |
| 08:32.01 | Jarvis | as opposed to stable/testing |
| 08:32.42 | SolomonKull | Jarvis: yeah, I'll do it right when I do it, I was just wondering if it would work. |
| 08:34.04 | Jarvis | yea using the release name, will just mean it'll stick with squeeze when it becomes stable. Be aware tho, it'll mean it wont automatically upgrade to future versions unless u change it back to stable |
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| 08:34.53 | SolomonKull | Jarvis: I don't plan on upgrading, I plan on sticking with squeeze and keeping it when squeeze goes stable. |
| 08:35.22 | Arrowmaster | well you probably dont want it to automatically upgrade, always best to read the release notes first for any special procedures for upgrading |
| 08:37.14 | Jarvis | SolomonKull: i was referring to releases after squeeze, but yes :) |
| 08:38.08 | SolomonKull | I want to use testing and then when sqeeze, which is testing, goes stable I want to continue to use stable instead of testing, which will no longer be squeeze because squeeze is stable. |
| 08:38.20 | Jarvis | no |
| 08:38.25 | Jarvis | Lenny is the current stable |
| 08:38.34 | SolomonKull | Lenny is irrelevant |
| 08:38.37 | SolomonKull | No what? |
| 08:38.42 | Jarvis | squeeze will allways be squeeze |
| 08:38.54 | Jarvis | they'll just change stable to point at squeeze |
| 08:39.07 | Jarvis | release names dont change :) |
| 08:39.13 | SolomonKull | Jarvis: yes, but the current squeeze will no longer be squeeze is my point. |
| 08:39.27 | SolomonKull | It will be stable. |
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| 08:40.05 | SolomonKull | Anyway, my question was answered. |
| 08:40.06 | Arrowmaster | there wont be a difference |
| 08:40.07 | SolomonKull | Thanks. |
| 08:40.24 | Jarvis | heh |
| 08:40.47 | Jarvis | i think that converation got stuck in a feedback loop |
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| 08:48.00 | peterrooney | clearly, jimi hendrix uses debian. or would have. or would have made it awesomer. |
| 08:48.21 | Jarvis | heh |
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| 09:04.46 | Bushmills | he had probably used electric ladylinux |
| 09:05.26 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. Sometimes my DHCP interface looses the IP (can't contact the DHCP server due to unknown reason). All I need to do if `ifdown ethX` and then `ifup ethX` for it to catch. Is there any way to make this automatically, i.e. configure dhclient so after say 10 retries it would bring the itnerface down/up? |
| 09:06.41 | Bushmills | better yet would be to figure out why your ip address gets lost while re-requesting your leases fails |
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| 09:07.44 | Bushmills | i'd start by manually invoking dhcp client on the interface through which the dhcp server can be reached |
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| 09:08.33 | nio707 | hello all |
| 09:09.05 | hid3 | Bushmills: that's probably ISP's faulty/doggy hardware |
| 09:09.13 | hid3 | this happens randomly, once per 5-10 days |
| 09:09.15 | nio707 | how can i make my own toolchain |
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| 09:10.49 | Bushmills | make your own? start with deciding what platform/host cpu to support, then start coding an assembler, linker - if the targetted file format demands one -, start implementing libs, a compiler for a language of choice |
| 09:11.53 | Bushmills | for from-scratch development, i'd suggest to start with a Forth interpreter |
| 09:12.21 | nio707 | bushmills does the linux kernel of debian lenny has support for lzma or i have to patch it |
| 09:13.35 | nio707 | i asked it because the initrd image is compressed with gunzip not lzma |
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| 09:15.47 | nio707 | thanx but right now i am too confuse by initial plan is to download all the source fles and then store with the folder name |
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| 09:16.33 | nio707 | i want to build the source with th uclibc rather than gcc library |
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| 09:18.50 | ov3rmind | great 2011 to all |
| 09:20.16 | Jarvis | nio707: which arch? |
| 09:21.38 | nio707 | i need for i386 and arm both |
| 09:22.42 | nio707 | i actually tried to create a small working kernel based on ubuntu |
| 09:23.32 | Jarvis | If your doing what i think your doing, you do realise that standard kernel configs wont work here :p |
| 09:24.07 | hid3 | nio707: did you suceed with a custom kernel? |
| 09:24.14 | hid3 | I always make my own custom kernels |
| 09:24.21 | Jarvis | at least the debian utils wont generate an lzma compressed image |
| 09:24.28 | nio707 | yes i think there need to be some sort of system or script to create custom kernel quickly |
| 09:24.42 | hid3 | like make oldconfig? |
| 09:25.02 | hid3 | once you have a good, working and slim config file, you are the god |
| 09:25.07 | Jarvis | the easiest way would be to manual compile the kernel, and then lzma compress the kernel once your done |
| 09:25.19 | nio707 | it takes loot if you are creating custom kernel with copied files and you cannot keep track how many lib and dependies are needed |
| 09:26.10 | Jarvis | Whats device is the kernel for may i ask ? |
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| 09:31.18 | nio707 | hid3 i tried on vmware it works actually it only execute rdesktop xdm vnc connection |
| 09:31.18 | nio707 | i tried to use freerdp instead of rdesktop but freerdp is still in development stage which can run directly on linux framebuffer thus avoiding x11 or tinyx server |
| 09:33.01 | rasmuson | Hi, I have a Linkstation Mini nas server running ubuntu 9.04 armel. Now I wish to run Debian Lenny instead. Do I just change apt sources, or? |
| 09:34.26 | nio707 | rasmuson i would suggest you to freshly install lenny or upgrade it to ubuntu10.04lts |
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| 09:35.43 | rasmuson | nio707, unfortunately 10.04 does not have support for arm5 :( |
| 09:36.42 | rasmuson | nio707, Do you happen to know the plan for arm support in Debian's next release(s)? |
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| 09:57.15 | dutchfish | rasmuson, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/armel/release-notes/ |
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| 10:19.17 | hid3 | What domain should I distribute for my dhcp clients so that 'ping HOSTNAME.lan' would work across the LAN? |
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| 10:25.52 | Jarvis | er thats dns |
| 10:26.12 | Jarvis | the domain will be used for <hostname> expansions |
| 10:26.18 | Jarvis | for anything else its dns |
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| 10:27.16 | Jarvis | clients may add the domain to the resolv.conf |
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| 10:28.52 | Jarvis | slaps himself |
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| 10:29.04 | Jarvis | i think i've been awake too long |
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| 10:29.29 | Jarvis | hid3: just send the domain name of lan out to the clients |
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| 10:44.12 | Bushmills | hid3: you'd set up the dhcp client to do the query using hostname, and the dhcp server to add record to name server- alternatively, use a combination of dhcp server and name server which provides that functionality already, such as dnsmasq |
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| 10:59.31 | katsrc | hello |
| 10:59.57 | katsrc | where can |
| 11:00.32 | katsrc | where can i find out changes for future version of debian |
| 11:00.37 | katsrc | in particular certain packages |
| 11:01.36 | Jarvis | it depends on what changes your referring to, if you mean versioning, the package database would be your best bet http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 11:01.45 | katsrc | like if certain patches get patches |
| 11:01.51 | Jarvis | ah |
| 11:01.56 | katsrc | or changes, where is that discussed? |
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| 11:02.07 | katsrc | packages get patches* i mean |
| 11:02.28 | katsrc | aha thanks |
| 11:02.43 | Jarvis | http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 11:03.01 | Jarvis | if u search for the package on there, it'll give ya a bit more info |
| 11:03.26 | Jarvis | and gives u the history on it as well as well as the changelogs |
| 11:07.25 | katsrc | thank you |
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| 11:11.25 | hid3 | Jarvis: thanks, that worked! |
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| 11:21.35 | lsmith | aloha .. debugging a debian package build script with zero knowledge of debian package building |
| 11:21.56 | lsmith | just at the off chance someone has a clue what the person with a clue who wrote this could have meant with the following line |
| 11:22.00 | lsmith | `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc --source-option=--format='3.0 (native)'`; # use native to stop complaints about <packagename>.<upstreamversion> |
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| 11:24.04 | lsmith | if its not immediately obvious, then dont worry .. i will just wait until the original author answers me .. hopefully in the not too distant future |
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| 11:27.15 | uriah | hello |
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| 11:27.56 | uriah | is it currently possible to set an lzma-compressed kernel up with make-kpkg? |
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| 11:29.37 | nsadmin | , maint kernel-package |
| 11:29.39 | judd | Package kernel-package version 12.036+nmu1 was uploaded by Christian Perrier on 2010-11-16, last changed by David Prévot and maintained by Manoj Srivastava. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 11:30.36 | nsadmin | either talk to one of those guys or read man make-kpkg |
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| 11:30.49 | uriah | manpage doesn't mention anything |
| 11:31.26 | uriah | any idea what their irc handles might be? :) |
| 11:31.34 | nsadmin | manoj |
| 11:31.40 | nsadmin | and I dunno the other guy |
| 11:31.46 | nsadmin | try db.debian.org |
| 11:31.49 | uriah | thanks |
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| 11:34.15 | cristi8 | !versions libgphoto2-2 |
| 11:35.01 | Nepherius | I have some trouble with running x after installin the drivers from my graphic card.After i create xorg.conf and logout/reboot my display manger doesnt start anymore http://pastebin.com/pHwFZua7 (xorg.log and xorg.conf).I am running squeeze with gnome if that matters |
| 11:35.23 | Nepherius | Any ideas how I can make it work ? |
| 11:36.09 | Azrael_- | happy new year |
| 11:36.50 | Nepherius | happy new year :) |
| 11:37.36 | nsadmin | Nepherius: why did it work before? |
| 11:38.30 | Nepherius | because I didnt have a xorg.conf |
| 11:38.56 | Nepherius | but also dont have glx running and 3d doesnt work right |
| 11:38.59 | nsadmin | what's wrong with the way it worked before? |
| 11:39.10 | nsadmin | oh, 3d stuff |
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| 11:43.14 | nsadmin | howdid you make that log |
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| 11:45.07 | cristi8 | Nepherius: maybe your card is not supported by that driver? |
| 11:46.16 | nsadmin | not sure nvidia supports 24bit; I thought it was 16 or 32 |
| 11:46.31 | Nepherius | I have a old graphic card |
| 11:46.33 | nsadmin | that's old info tho, might not be still valid |
| 11:46.35 | Nepherius | ...its a old pc |
| 11:46.41 | cristi8 | i use nvidia driver too, and have 24bit |
| 11:46.55 | nsadmin | oh ok, so that doesn't apply |
| 11:46.56 | cristi8 | hmm, i think they have some "legacy drivers" |
| 11:47.06 | nsadmin | Nepherius, lspci -nn |
| 11:47.12 | nsadmin | show the line of the card |
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| 11:47.21 | Nepherius | i tried installing the legacy one but it gives an error |
| 11:48.00 | Nepherius | nvidia-glx-legacy : Depends: nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx but it is not going to be installed |
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| 11:48.44 | nsadmin | were you using apt-get? |
| 11:49.09 | Nepherius | VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] [10de:002d] (rev 15 |
| 11:49.19 | Nepherius | yes nsadmin |
| 11:49.38 | nsadmin | , pciid 10de:002d |
| 11:49.40 | judd | [10de:002d] is 'NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:002d http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 11:50.20 | cdynamics | I'm a little confused - what does this mean? http://paste.debian.net/103564/ |
| 11:50.26 | cdynamics | I've never seen something like this before |
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| 11:50.40 | nsadmin | not going there without more info |
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| 11:51.03 | cdynamics | I'm trying to use the 'ping' command, but get a lot of output about libc |
| 11:51.15 | Bushmills | memory corruption, me seems |
| 11:51.31 | cdynamics | Bad RAM? |
| 11:52.00 | Bushmills | possible, but not necessarily |
| 11:52.11 | cdynamics | Oh, modified memory |
| 11:52.19 | cdynamics | it's a openvz VPS |
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| 11:52.57 | cdynamics | isn't able to SSH/HTTP to it, but pings work |
| 11:53.00 | cdynamics | had to use console |
| 11:53.14 | nsadmin | why can't you ssh to it |
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| 11:54.18 | cdynamics | I get connection refused |
| 11:54.29 | cdynamics | ps, pstree, top all crash |
| 11:54.37 | cdynamics | Although top lasts a few seconds, and then crashes |
| 11:54.46 | nsadmin | how long have you had this thing |
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| 11:55.04 | cdynamics | Half a month or so |
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| 11:55.43 | cdynamics | Attempting to start ssh via init.d shows no input |
| 11:55.49 | nsadmin | if you have console it makes sense you'd have root too... had you ever altered /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:56.16 | cdynamics | Yes, the default one produced a lot of 404 errors |
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| 11:56.37 | nsadmin | even running update |
| 11:56.38 | nsadmin | ? |
| 11:56.52 | cdynamics | Aborted, same libc |
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| 11:57.02 | Nepherius | So ..i should just give on on 3d thing ?:) |
| 11:57.31 | nsadmin | no, I just don't know the driver or the card or whether one supports the other |
| 11:57.43 | nsadmin | what version of debian? |
| 11:58.09 | Nepherius | squeeze |
| 11:58.35 | nsadmin | you should use aptitude; you'll get better success with installing stuff |
| 11:59.04 | nsadmin | cdynamics: do you have data on the machine that's not backed up? |
| 11:59.36 | cdynamics | !? aptitude is missing |
| 11:59.36 | dpkg | cdynamics: okay |
| 11:59.47 | cdynamics | erm, I didn't mean to do that |
| 11:59.49 | Jarvis | lol |
| 12:00.01 | nsadmin | dpkg: APTITUDE!! |
| 12:00.01 | dpkg | nsadmin: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:00.11 | nsadmin | dpkg: aptitude |
| 12:00.11 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 12:00.19 | cdynamics | sadly, I think I do |
| 12:00.32 | Jarvis | !? |
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| 12:01.08 | nsadmin | ok, you should back that data up |
| 12:01.10 | cdynamics | thinks |
| 12:01.15 | nsadmin | what is it, sql? |
| 12:01.25 | nsadmin | a database dump? |
| 12:01.26 | cdynamics | is trying to remember if anything was changed |
| 12:01.42 | cdynamics | SQL, .git and a .php file |
| 12:02.21 | cdynamics | oh, now I can't even ls |
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| 12:02.39 | nsadmin | try getting sash to work |
| 12:02.48 | Nepherius | ok so aptitude lets me install the legacy one but http://paste.debian.net/103566/ ..some thins conflict there , should i keep going or it could make things worst ?:) |
| 12:02.54 | cdynamics | sash? |
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| 12:03.08 | nsadmin | its a static shell |
| 12:03.35 | cdynamics | I think i can contact my provider to take the files off the VPS |
| 12:03.37 | nsadmin | it might also have a busybox-like thing going |
| 12:03.52 | nsadmin | that would be a good thing |
| 12:04.00 | nsadmin | might cost you something |
| 12:04.00 | Jarvis | libc hosed :S |
| 12:04.02 | cdynamics | hopes this isn't the result of a 'rooting' |
| 12:04.24 | cdynamics | has kept it up to date, the only new software in the setup is varnish |
| 12:04.42 | cdynamics | uses ssh with keys only |
| 12:05.09 | Jarvis | :o |
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| 12:05.33 | nsadmin | resulting roots rot rarely; rhonda rows rinkydink ropes |
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| 12:06.03 | Jarvis | blinks |
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| 12:06.26 | Jarvis | nsadmin: have u finally lost the plot ? :p |
| 12:06.46 | nsadmin | plot plagarism! plugh. |
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| 12:07.53 | Jarvis | i think nsadmin's cheese slid off his cracker :P |
| 12:08.23 | Nepherius | so ..should I install the new stuff even if i get those warnings ? |
| 12:08.24 | nsadmin | have them provide the stuff on a separate storage somehow; then wipe/reinstall |
| 12:08.58 | nsadmin | find out what driver specifically supports your card |
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| 12:09.19 | nsadmin | it's ok, I don't like cheese on crackers anyway |
| 12:09.27 | cdynamics | After I grab my backup, I should do a full OS reload? |
| 12:09.45 | nsadmin | can you do that without them? |
| 12:10.01 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. I have a HP server and I have enabled the 'Console redirection' in it's BIOS. It redirects the output to ttyS0 nice until the GRUB starts to load. Then I loose the input/output. Any ideas how to enable GRUB/debian to talk with serial console? |
| 12:10.17 | cdynamics | can't remember if any changes were made |
| 12:10.33 | cdynamics | What a bad time for the backup server to be down :p |
| 12:10.37 | nsadmin | what database? |
| 12:10.47 | cdynamics | mysql |
| 12:10.50 | cdynamics | I also have some files |
| 12:10.56 | nsadmin | it can do dumps right? |
| 12:12.43 | cdynamics | oh! |
| 12:12.47 | cdynamics | I love myself! |
| 12:13.00 | cdynamics | I forgot that I migrated SQL to another server connected via VPN |
| 12:13.08 | Jarvis | hid3: you'll need to edit /etc/default/grub |
| 12:13.11 | cdynamics | was quite confused why no mysql files were in there |
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| 12:13.23 | cdynamics | just needs /var/www |
| 12:13.23 | Jarvis | and set GRUB_TERMINAL to something appropriate |
| 12:13.51 | cdynamics | hm, /var/log seems to be oddly empty |
| 12:14.59 | Jarvis | hid3: the default setting of console (for GRUB_TERMINAL) should be sufficient , so just uncomment it and run update-grub |
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| 12:15.41 | hid3 | Jarvis: thanks. Will that give the ability to use the serial console with the OS when it's loaded |
| 12:15.51 | hid3 | in `dmesg` in see console is set to tty0 |
| 12:16.04 | hid3 | I bet I need to change this one too somewhere but I'm unsure where |
| 12:16.15 | hid3 | I need two consoles actually: ttyS0 and tty0 |
| 12:16.22 | nsadmin | cdynamics, does your provider provide a remote syslog service? |
| 12:16.30 | cdynamics | Nope :( |
| 12:16.39 | cdynamics | I've been thinking about setting a remote syslog server for a while |
| 12:16.45 | cdynamics | But I wasn't quite sure how to do that |
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| 12:17.03 | Nepherius | well legacy71xx is the one that should wrok |
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| 12:17.04 | Jarvis | that'll redirect the grub stuff to the console, but it wont open up a serial console on ttys0 to do that you'll need to uncomment the appropriate line in /etc/inittab |
| 12:17.05 | cdynamics | I do have a VPN setup now, all vpses have private ips |
| 12:17.12 | nsadmin | remote logging has been around for awhile |
| 12:17.33 | cdynamics | (It makes so much more sense than local logging) |
| 12:17.37 | Jarvis | hid3: at the bottom of the inittab file, just uncomment the 2 lines fopr ttys0 and ttys1 |
| 12:17.43 | Jarvis | then run init q |
| 12:17.47 | hid3 | Thanks! |
| 12:17.50 | Jarvis | np |
| 12:18.05 | cdynamics | nsadmin: FTP works, only if I do: "ftp hostname" |
| 12:18.17 | cdynamics | nsadmin: It will let me use my user/password - but then libc dumps |
| 12:18.29 | cdynamics | thinks if I were to somehow specify the file it would carry on |
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| 12:19.58 | Jarvis | cdynamics: doesn't openvz provide some way to access your vps? |
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| 12:21.03 | Jarvis | as its container based then iirc there should be a way to access the files on it, even if its not running |
| 12:21.11 | cdynamics | There isn't a client-side access |
| 12:21.27 | cdynamics | wonders why aptitude is missing |
| 12:21.35 | Jarvis | u got no control panel with the server ? |
| 12:22.18 | cdynamics | I do, but it doesn't provide file access (solusvm) |
| 12:23.40 | Jarvis | :s |
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| 12:25.08 | hid3 | Nice. Console redirection is really useful thing! |
| 12:27.38 | Jarvis | hid3: if u wanted console redirection on the kernel as well , you'd need to add a couple of console args to your grub_cmdline_linux_default line |
| 12:28.00 | Jarvis | otherwise it'll only display the grub details, then the login |
| 12:28.48 | hid3 | Jarvis: yep, this is the case ( I want full control of it and now what I see is only grub and then login (it the boot doesn't fail) |
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| 12:29.37 | hid3 | BTW, what console type should I use to get my keyboard recognized properly? vt100, vt100 8 bit or vt100+ (this is in BIOS) |
| 12:30.09 | Jarvis | in which case if u edit /etc/default/grub ,and where u have something like grub_cmdline_linux_default="quiet" ... youll need to change quiet to something like: quiet console=tty0 console=ttyS0,3400n8 |
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| 12:30.47 | hid3 | Oh, I see |
| 12:31.38 | Jarvis | as for the terminal type |
| 12:31.56 | Jarvis | if u use the line i mentioned above it'll be vt100 8 bit |
| 12:32.10 | hid3 | Thanks Jarvis! |
| 12:32.19 | Jarvis | not a problem |
| 12:32.24 | hid3 | as for the speed, I've set 115200 |
| 12:32.30 | hid3 | since this is what I enabled in BIOS |
| 12:32.56 | Jarvis | as long as they all match you shouldnt have a problem |
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| 12:34.02 | fredl | I'm having troubles with my diNovo Edge keyboard on Sid... |
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| 12:35.19 | fredl | it's kind of strange actually, the keyboard seems to have problems connecting with the dongle (an USB bluetooth dongle) |
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| 12:37.17 | hid3 | strange, but after that change I get only GRUB and the login window on the monitor. The boot output seems to go only to serial console |
| 12:37.30 | hid3 | dmesg | grep console says both, tty0 and ttyS0 now |
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| 12:38.34 | cdynamics | wonders if a reboot would help |
| 12:38.51 | Jarvis | hid3: ah, try using console=tty1 console=ttys0,112500n8 |
| 12:38.52 | fredl | on merely inserting the dongle (just did that now) /var/log/messages says http://pastebin.ca/2035639 |
| 12:38.56 | cdynamics | although that would possibly lose anything that could point to what happened |
| 12:39.17 | Jarvis | oh and hid3 if u dont have ttyS1 comment it out in inittab |
| 12:39.21 | Jarvis | and run init q |
| 12:39.31 | Jarvis | as if you dont have it it'll infinitely respawn |
| 12:39.50 | Jarvis | misread your earlier line |
| 12:39.51 | hid3 | I have this one but I'd like to use it for different tasks |
| 12:40.07 | fredl | (the keyboard isn't anywhere near the dongle still so it's not trying to connect right now, what I think is strange about it is that it says 'USB HID v1.11 Keyboard' and 'USB HID v1.11 Mouse' even without the keyboard near |
| 12:41.31 | Jarvis | fredl: yea, the second you plugin the dongle, itll recognise it, even if no devices are connected to it |
| 12:41.40 | fredl | BTW this keyboard hasn't worked for quite a while, so it may be a simple misconfiguration issue but I'm a bit at a loss |
| 12:42.41 | Jarvis | the driver knows your going to be only regisering HID Key/Mouse, so it pre-registers them |
| 12:42.59 | hid3 | Jarvis: no after all this being set up, will I need to have a RS232 always connected and controlling terminal to be present all the time on the remote end for this to work? Any ideas? Or can I just connect it and fire the terminal when/if I need it? |
| 12:43.25 | fredl | Jarvis - ok, so that explains that then. The next real 'problem' is when I try to connect the keyboard to the dongle. I do this on my laptop which is running Ubuntu by pressing the button on the dongle first and then the button on the keyboard, which results in a flashing indicator on the keyboard first which then turns solid and later shuts off |
| 12:43.36 | Jarvis | hid3: you dont have to keep it connected, just open it when you want it |
| 12:43.50 | hid3 | Now that's good news! |
| 12:44.14 | Jarvis | when you connect to it, if theres nothing on screen hit enter, and it should respond |
| 12:44.18 | fredl | on my Debian box, the LED keeps flashing, I'll go check now whether that generates any extra logging whatsoever (server is downstairs :) |
| 12:44.52 | hid3 | nice... |
| 12:44.59 | hid3 | not nice but just awesome |
| 12:46.07 | fredl | ok so the attempt to connect the keyboard to the dongle does not generate any messages in the syslog |
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| 12:46.27 | fredl | could it be that Debian somehow has initialized the dongle incorrectly and how to I check this? |
| 12:46.32 | hid3 | Now I need to figure out how to make special keys like F1..12 and PgUP/PgDN work with the vt100... |
| 12:47.08 | Jarvis | hid3: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 12:47.14 | Jarvis | to setup the keyboard iirc |
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| 12:47.30 | fredl | I've added the hciconfig -a to http://pastebin.ca/2035644 |
| 12:47.37 | Jarvis | fredl: hmm |
| 12:48.09 | fredl | I'm not sure but this looks a bit funny to me: Service Classes: Networking, Capturing, Telephony |
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| 12:49.10 | cdynamics | Just as I feared. The backup MD5 is different from current md5 |
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| 12:50.06 | Jarvis | hid3: i would advise you to tail -f /var/log/syslog and make sure your not getting any lines like: Id "blah" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 12:50.52 | fredl | Jarvis - long time ago before I had Sid on that box the keyboard worked without any problem or extra configuration. I've tried different USB ports too (it's on a USB hub right now but I've also tried putting it directly into the box) |
| 12:51.11 | Jarvis | fredl: i'm thinking missing package |
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| 12:51.15 | Jarvis | not sure which one tho :/ |
| 12:51.57 | Jarvis | ah fredl may have a solution |
| 12:52.49 | Jarvis | fredl: what does dpkg -l udev say ? |
| 12:53.26 | fredl | 164-3 |
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| 12:53.34 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 12:53.53 | Jarvis | ok, i've found an old bug relating to a pairing issue on that keyboard |
| 12:53.57 | Jarvis | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575548 |
| 12:54.02 | fredl | wait, lemme cut/paste the whole output |
| 12:54.28 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/2035671 |
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| 12:55.18 | cdynamics | nsadmin: The ticket is in, hopefully I'll get a response soon |
| 12:55.20 | fredl | that output look difficult to interpret to me... |
| 12:55.38 | fredl | shouldn't it be 'iii' |
| 12:55.56 | Jarvis | not really :) |
| 12:55.59 | fredl | ok |
| 12:56.06 | Jarvis | its only 3 chars with an error if i recall |
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| 12:56.37 | fredl | well lemme scan through the bugreport |
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| 12:57.45 | Jarvis | fredl: and another ... this one from august - 161-1 - fixed. |
| 12:58.52 | fredl | well mind you Jarvis, I haven't used this keyboard for a very long time so it may be a very old bug |
| 12:59.07 | Jarvis | it seems to be a recurring one |
| 12:59.16 | Jarvis | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589388 |
| 12:59.49 | hid3 | Jarvis: still, if I set onsole=tty1 console=ttys0,112500n8, all the boot output goes only to serial console and not the monitor. I want it to be forwarded to both. Is that possible? |
| 13:00.56 | Jarvis | hid3: did u miss a character? it should be console=tty1 console=ttys0,112500n8 |
| 13:01.11 | hid3 | no, I missed it only when I pasted |
| 13:01.14 | Jarvis | kk |
| 13:01.15 | hid3 | it's really there |
| 13:01.19 | Jarvis | let me check something :p; |
| 13:01.36 | fredl | Jarvis - I think I checked that last night, my keyboard should match to hidraw* but let me check that again |
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| 13:03.38 | fredl | Jarvis - this seems strange, I just added 'lsusb' to http://pastebin.ca/2035679 |
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| 13:04.00 | Jarvis | ah fredl for kernel output, you can only have it output to one console aparently, as /dev/console can only point to 1 place |
| 13:04.10 | Jarvis | so i'd strip out the console= lines |
| 13:04.32 | Jarvis | and leave it on the monitor, if u need to you can allways change it for a specific boot |
| 13:04.53 | fredl | Jarvis - looks like the 'BT Mini-Receiver' is in HCI mode while it's a HID keyboard/mouse (does that make any sense?) |
| 13:05.08 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 13:05.23 | fredl | Jarvis - I guess the latter about console= are meant for hid3? :) |
| 13:05.34 | Jarvis | fredl: sorry yes :) |
| 13:05.56 | hid3 | So either console, or a screen but not both at the same time, right? |
| 13:06.04 | Jarvis | yup , your choice :) |
| 13:06.09 | fredl | I will get the dongle and insert it into my laptop to see if lsusb gives a different output that way |
| 13:06.16 | Jarvis | kk fredl |
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| 13:10.09 | Jarvis | fredl: when u get back , what are your current lines in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-hid2hci.rules for 046d ? |
| 13:10.19 | Jarvis | both hidraw* and hidev* |
| 13:11.58 | fredl | added it to http://pastebin.ca/2035687 Jarvis, as well as the lsusb output on my laptop that works |
| 13:12.34 | fredl | clearly there is something different on my laptop... |
| 13:12.41 | Jarvis | yea there is |
| 13:12.44 | Jarvis | 1 sec |
| 13:13.15 | fredl | on my laptop I don't even SEE 046d:c709 |
| 13:13.30 | Jarvis | OK you need hidev* to something like C71[3] |
| 13:13.35 | Jarvis | oops |
| 13:13.41 | Jarvis | not that |
| 13:14.26 | fredl | you see that, that 046d:c709 doesn't show up on the Ubuntu laptop?? |
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| 13:15.29 | Jarvis | OK you need hidev* to something like ATTRS{idProduct}=="c70[35e]|c71[34]" |
| 13:16.59 | Jarvis | hiddraw looks ok |
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| 13:17.39 | Jarvis | yea |
| 13:17.53 | fredl | let me check what my laptop has for hiddev first |
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| 13:18.34 | fredl | on my laptop it's the same right now as on my server |
| 13:18.49 | Jarvis | :/ |
| 13:19.33 | fredl | so the change you propose would map c71* to hiddev instead of hidraw |
| 13:19.54 | fredl | well c71[34] to be more exact :) |
| 13:19.59 | Jarvis | no, keep it on hiddraw |
| 13:20.02 | Jarvis | just change hiddev |
| 13:20.52 | fredl | I will try it. But the way you suggest it would map it on both hiddev and hidraw, correct? |
| 13:21.06 | Jarvis | yesa |
| 13:21.54 | fredl | okay so I'll restart udev and go try again now |
| 13:22.00 | Jarvis | yup |
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| 13:23.15 | cdynamics | Is there any other type of archive besides zip/tar on a stock debian system? |
| 13:23.22 | Jarvis | hmm checking my server here (i've got a stock install with regards to udev) |
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| 13:23.50 | Jarvis | i've got values of hiddev= ATTRS{idProduct}=="c70[35e]|c71[34]" and hiddraw ATTRS{idProduct}=="c70[4abc]|c71[bc] |
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| 13:24.38 | fredl | that's odd... you have a Sid box? |
| 13:24.46 | Jarvis | nope squeeze |
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| 13:25.05 | fredl | ah okay so prolly also a different udev version right? |
| 13:25.14 | fredl | BTW, change didn't work |
| 13:25.19 | Jarvis | 1601 |
| 13:25.22 | Jarvis | * 160-1 |
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| 13:26.11 | Jarvis | fredl: try the settings from the last post on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589388 |
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| 13:26.26 | Jarvis | *last but 2 |
| 13:26.31 | jacekowski | hello |
| 13:26.37 | jacekowski | i have a question about GPL |
| 13:26.43 | Jarvis | makes sure that 046d:c713 and 046d:c714 are assigned to hidraw instead of hidev |
| 13:26.58 | jacekowski | if i write a code that links to GPL code |
| 13:27.03 | Jarvis | i was going the wrong way hehe |
| 13:27.23 | jacekowski | and therefore my code is on GPL and i'm paid to make that code ( as in my employer pays ) |
| 13:27.42 | jacekowski | is it legal for me to then take that code and distribute it somewhere else? |
| 13:27.49 | fredl | you mean that one by Jim Barber? |
| 13:27.58 | Jarvis | fredl: yea |
| 13:28.16 | Jarvis | fredl: i'm wonderin what the sid default is |
| 13:28.24 | Jarvis | checks |
| 13:29.03 | Jarvis | incidentally fredl whats the udev config for it like on your ubuntu machine ? |
| 13:29.05 | fredl | Jarvis - that's the Sid default for 164-3 :) |
| 13:29.11 | Jarvis | ah :p |
| 13:29.25 | fredl | as well as the udev config for my Ubuntu laptop |
| 13:30.10 | Jarvis | hmmm |
| 13:30.26 | fredl | I'm still very curious about '046d:c709 Logitech, Inc. BT Mini-Receiver (HCI mode)' NOT showing up in the lsusb output on Ubuntu while it does show up on Debian |
| 13:30.44 | fredl | I mean, I *think* that's the dongle itself. |
| 13:30.53 | jacekowski | same pc? |
| 13:30.58 | jacekowski | just different OS? |
| 13:30.58 | fredl | for lack of better terminology. |
| 13:31.06 | Jarvis | fredl: whats c709 mapped to ? |
| 13:31.07 | fredl | jacekowski - correct. |
| 13:31.16 | fredl | lemme see |
| 13:31.20 | jacekowski | that's strage |
| 13:31.26 | jacekowski | strange* |
| 13:31.45 | Jarvis | as i can't find any device with that id in my file |
| 13:32.00 | fredl | yeah it looks like it sees another USB id altogether on Debian that's not present on Ubuntu |
| 13:32.31 | Jarvis | fredl: what do you get from grep c70 /lib/udev/rules.d/* |
| 13:32.35 | fredl | and it's definitely GONE when I unplug the dongle |
| 13:33.25 | fredl | oof a whole bunch of stuff, lemme pastebin |
| 13:33.37 | Jarvis | :o i get 2 entires on squeeze - lol |
| 13:34.06 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/2035697 |
| 13:34.21 | fredl | oops, shoulda looked better and grepped c709 instead |
| 13:34.38 | Jarvis | thats ok |
| 13:35.08 | fredl | well lemme just google for 046d:c709 Logitech, Inc. BT Mini-Receiver (HCI mode) first |
| 13:35.14 | fredl | maybe somebody had this before :) |
| 13:35.33 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 13:36.33 | Jarvis | hmmm |
| 13:36.48 | Jarvis | fredl: do u have bluez installed ? ... specifically an old version |
| 13:37.23 | cdynamics | heads to bed - nsadmin if you're still interested tomorrow we can continue :) (thanks for all the help so far) |
| 13:37.25 | Azrael_- | i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. is it possible to set the options for apt never to ask for manual actions and always install the newer config-files? |
| 13:37.41 | Jarvis | some people are indicating thats whats causing your issue ... do u even need bluez ? |
| 13:39.13 | fredl | ii bluez 4.70-1 Bluetooth tools and daemons |
| 13:40.00 | fredl | I'm not sure, I know I've been experimenting with it in the past and found it to actually work with adding other bluetooth devices as opposed to the stock bluetooth stuff |
| 13:40.35 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.58 | fredl | well I guess I could just purge the whole bluetooth stack and reinstall |
| 13:42.24 | hid3 | Guys... Now I have a dilemma. I have two boxes: HP NetServer and HP Proliant. I want to use the console redirection on both. They both run Linux. Should I connect the serial port one to other (so one controls another and vice-versa) or should I connect them both to a separate Windows box to control them both? |
| 13:42.37 | fredl | see if 'bluetooth' will pick anything other than bluez by default perhaps (or can I check that somehow with dpkg?) |
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| 13:44.03 | Jarvis | apt-cache depends bluetooth |
| 13:44.04 | Jarvis | bluetooth Depends: bluez |
| 13:44.11 | Jarvis | hmmm |
| 13:44.32 | Jarvis | fredl: is bluez on your ubuntu laptop ? |
| 13:44.51 | fredl | affirmative :) |
| 13:46.18 | cristi8 | hi, i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and now my usb camera does not work anymore: no dialog appear when i connect it, and every application say that the camera is "locked" and can't access it |
| 13:46.23 | fredl | 4.69 is on ubuntu, 4.70 on Debian |
| 13:46.53 | fredl | hid2hci is owned by bluez |
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| 13:47.59 | Jarvis | haha |
| 13:48.04 | Jarvis | fredl: check out http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=bluez;dist=unstable |
| 13:48.10 | Jarvis | top outstanding bug |
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| 13:49.14 | fredl | 588034? |
| 13:49.30 | Jarvis | yea, states its fixed in 4.663 :S |
| 13:50.43 | fredl | well not quite :P |
| 13:51.03 | Jarvis | i'm wondering if a regression has kicked in :S |
| 13:51.43 | Jarvis | theyre hinting at /lib/udev/rules.d/62-bluez-hid2hci.rules being the culprit |
| 13:51.51 | fredl | you know.... |
| 13:52.03 | fredl | I just noticed that file exists on Debian but not on Ubuntu |
| 13:52.37 | Jarvis | i wonder, do u need hid2hci ? |
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| 13:52.53 | Jarvis | some people are indicating you dont for that keyboard |
| 13:54.07 | fredl | well remember the first syslog output where I said the keyboard and mouse are indicated as HID devices? |
| 13:54.19 | Jarvis | yea |
| 13:54.41 | fredl | what a mess :P |
| 13:54.47 | Jarvis | fredl: what does dpkg -S /lib/udev/rules.d/62-bluez-hid2hci.rules |
| 13:54.48 | Jarvis | say |
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| 13:55.07 | fredl | bluez: /lib/udev/rules.d/62-bluez-hid2hci.rules |
| 13:55.23 | Jarvis | hmmmm |
| 13:55.59 | fredl | funny thing is, c709 is not mentioned in the file |
| 13:56.34 | Jarvis | theres one thing i could suggest , and thats trying the .82 package for bluez from experimental |
| 13:56.52 | Jarvis | or downgrading bluez to the one from squeeze |
| 13:56.58 | Jarvis | .66-3 |
| 13:57.15 | fredl | I'm not sure how to do the latter, would you help me with doing that please? |
| 13:57.48 | Jarvis | lookin at this |
| 13:58.10 | Jarvis | deps for tesing look ok |
| 13:58.15 | Jarvis | so if we try that |
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| 13:58.35 | fredl | I've never downgraded a package myself. Is there some automatic way for that or should I download the deb or something? |
| 13:58.35 | Jarvis | fredl: download the deb for testing's bluez from |
| 13:58.41 | Jarvis | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bluez |
| 13:58.46 | Jarvis | onto the shell |
| 13:58.47 | Jarvis | and run |
| 13:59.29 | Jarvis | is using the dpkg route here, becuase that way you dont have to worry about maintaining 2 tree's |
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| 13:59.57 | Jarvis | dpkg -i <file.dpkg> |
| 13:59.57 | dpkg | removes a liver from jarvis and replaces it with <file.dpkg> |
| 14:00.07 | Jarvis | spanks dpkg |
| 14:00.08 | Jarvis | ty :p |
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| 14:02.13 | fredl | ok ii bluez 4.66-3 Bluetooth tools and daemons |
| 14:02.22 | complete_ | Good Morning Debian 2011! Do you know a solution how to get the same internet radio to all my rooms? I tried putting a computer in each and opening the same station. But the delay makes it a horrible experience. About one second or two. |
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| 14:02.50 | fredl | I'll go unplug/replug the dongle and see if that makes a difference, if not I'll reboot the system and be back |
| 14:02.52 | Jarvis | ok fredl reload udev (just incase) , and then unplug the bt |
| 14:02.57 | Jarvis | kk |
| 14:03.23 | fredl | I got the impression somewhere else that rebooting may actually be required :/ |
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| 14:04.13 | Jarvis | ick |
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| 14:06.00 | fredl | that worked! didn't even need to reboot :) |
| 14:06.05 | Jarvis | :D |
| 14:06.06 | Jarvis | exellent |
| 14:06.09 | Jarvis | fredl: what i would do now |
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| 14:06.14 | Jarvis | is hold that package |
| 14:06.15 | Jarvis | do |
| 14:06.39 | fredl | do that from dselect you mean? |
| 14:06.49 | fredl | ehr |
| 14:06.52 | Jarvis | either from deslect |
| 14:06.59 | Jarvis | or via dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:08.22 | fredl | oh man has dselect been a long time... :) |
| 14:08.44 | Jarvis | if u need to use dpkg (dpkg --set-selections << "EOF" ,,, a new line will appear type bluez hold <enter> EOF <enter> |
| 14:09.26 | Jarvis | then when u do dpkg -l bluez it should say something like hi instead of ii for the status |
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| 14:09.53 | fredl | LOL I even forgot how to do that with dselect :P |
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| 14:10.27 | Jarvis | wildc4rd:p |
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| 14:10.29 | Jarvis | oops |
| 14:10.30 | Jarvis | :po |
| 14:10.34 | Jarvis | sorry wildc4rd :) |
| 14:10.46 | fredl | ok, done it with dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:10.52 | Jarvis | :) |
| 14:10.57 | fredl | and shows hi now |
| 14:11.05 | fredl | thanks a lot Jarvis, much obliged :) |
| 14:11.10 | Jarvis | not a problem |
| 14:11.32 | fredl | I know it's not a problem, Happy Newyear! |
| 14:11.37 | Jarvis | !lart bluez |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | raises middle finger to bluez |
| 14:11.50 | Jarvis | Happy new year to you too :p |
| 14:12.15 | fredl | this thing has been bugging me for quite a while but never took a real effort to figure it out, I'll see that I add a bugreport in a bit |
| 14:12.19 | fredl | ciao for now! |
| 14:12.28 | Jarvis | hehe ciao :P |
| 14:12.37 | Azrael_- | when i set the configuration of debconf to non-interactive and low, can i force debconf to assume always yes as default? |
| 14:15.19 | cristi8 | is there a way i can see what program accesses my usb PTP class camera? it stays locked and i can't do anything with my cam :( |
| 14:15.24 | Jarvis | Azrael_-: --assume-yes via command line ,or add it to dpkg's options |
| 14:16.01 | Jarvis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.15 | Azrael_- | Jarvis: does this also work if the process is started by apt? i doubt it... |
| 14:16.39 | Jarvis | Azrael_-: if you add it to the options file it will |
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| 14:17.07 | Jarvis | create a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 14:17.10 | Jarvis | and add something like |
| 14:17.52 | Jarvis | DPkg::Options { "--assume-yes"; }; |
| 14:17.52 | dpkg | Jarvis: are you using Windows? |
| 14:18.06 | Azrael_- | ok, thx |
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| 14:27.55 | Azrael_- | Jarvis: dpkg tells me "unkown option --assume-yes" |
| 14:28.58 | Jarvis | ah |
| 14:29.18 | Azrael_- | can't find the appropriate option |
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| 14:29.30 | Jarvis | Azrael_-: man apt.conf |
| 14:29.38 | Jarvis | it actually gives you the options :P |
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| 14:30.00 | Jarvis | its the i assumed it was a dpkg option, its actually an apt one :) |
| 14:30.24 | nsadmin | or man dpkg |
| 14:30.28 | nsadmin | or dpkg --help |
| 14:30.38 | nsadmin | or all three |
| 14:30.51 | Jarvis | assume yes isnt a dkpg option :) |
| 14:30.59 | Jarvis | not tht i can see |
| 14:31.17 | nsadmin | dpkg is agreeing with you |
| 14:31.17 | dpkg | nsadmin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:31.42 | Jarvis | !lart dpkg |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | executes killall -TERM jarvis |
| 14:31.46 | Jarvis | lol |
| 14:31.47 | Jarvis | cute |
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| 14:33.06 | Azrael_- | Jarvis: man dpkg tells me there is no such option to assume yes. any more ideas? |
| 14:33.14 | Jarvis | Azrael_-: man apt.conf |
| 14:33.35 | Jarvis | first block in thr syntax section |
| 14:33.39 | Jarvis | on my screen anyways |
| 14:33.48 | Azrael_- | this works for apt |
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| 14:34.27 | Jarvis | are u referring to the configuration section where it asks u to replace the file by any chance ? |
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| 14:34.33 | mariok | good day |
| 14:35.00 | Azrael_- | Jarvis: yes |
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| 14:35.17 | mariok | Can you suggest me a program to make my own apt-repositories? |
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| 14:35.48 | mariok | In the last year I spent several hours to debug apt-move, and today apt-move decided to drop a few packages without any reason. |
| 14:36.13 | Jarvis | Azrael_-: you'll need an options declaration of something like --force-confold |
| 14:36.21 | Jarvis | so |
| 14:36.41 | Jarvis | Dpkg::Options { "--force-confold"; }; |
| 14:36.41 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Jarvis |
| 14:37.09 | Jarvis | that'll force it to keep the old configutation file |
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| 14:37.45 | Azrael_- | thx, perfect, that was what i searched for |
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| 14:37.56 | Jarvis | np |
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| 14:40.44 | Dweezahr | Hello, kde-core, how is the package called on debian? |
| 14:41.08 | Dweezahr | I am looking for the smalles kde package for a live system |
| 14:41.11 | Dweezahr | I now get: E: Unable to locate package kde-core |
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| 14:43.35 | Jarvis | Dweezahr: try kdebase-bin |
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| 14:44.39 | Jarvis | mariok: try having a look at http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_your_own_APT_repository_with_upload_support |
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| 14:45.43 | mariok | Jarvis: thanks, I' lave a look at it |
| 14:45.58 | Jarvis | np |
| 14:46.01 | Dweezahr | Jarvis, seems to work after specifying the debian version, lenny. thanks |
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| 14:46.42 | Jarvis | not a problem :) |
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| 14:49.18 | kryl | hi |
| 14:50.35 | kryl | I'm looking for a very simple way to graph cpu load and memory usage (and have an history like rrdtools) but I don't want to create my own script :) |
| 14:50.37 | kryl | if possible |
| 14:53.02 | frikinz | munin has some default script for this |
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| 14:54.00 | kryl | oki |
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| 15:01.56 | mariok | good bye |
| 15:01.56 | Bushmills | munin uses rrdtools |
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| 15:14.37 | sporedi | hello @all |
| 15:14.40 | sporedi | Dear Friends !Wish you and your family Very Happy New Year |
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| 15:16.48 | chomwitt | i tried to install libreoffice in debian squeeze and when i start it complains for java missing. but aptitude says i have openjdk installed. |
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| 15:25.11 | acathur | chomwitt: do you have "openjdk-6-jre" installed? |
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| 15:28.03 | chomwitt | acathur: yes . its installed |
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| 15:28.58 | Bop | anyone can tell me if debian stable kernel is shipped with PAE support ? |
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| 15:29.16 | Bop | debian testing * |
| 15:29.38 | Azrael_- | why is git2.kernel.org so slow? |
| 15:29.43 | chomwitt | acathur: one moment... i was wrong . sorry. |
| 15:29.48 | Jarvis | Bop: i would have thought so, but sec i'll check |
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| 15:30.00 | chomwitt | acathur: it was marked pi in aptitude |
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| 15:31.10 | chomwitt | acathur: ok . its opened now. thanks |
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| 15:31.59 | Jarvis | Bop: if im reading this right, for proper support for PAE, you'll need to use a -bigmem kernel (linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem) |
| 15:32.02 | acathur | chomwitt: np |
| 15:32.07 | Jarvis | that should hae PAE enabled |
| 15:32.51 | Bop | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 15:33.07 | Bop | that will solve my 4GB to be fully detected ? |
| 15:33.17 | Jarvis | yes |
| 15:33.20 | Bop | ok thanks |
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| 15:33.28 | Jarvis | np |
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| 15:37.38 | Jarvis | chomwitt: apt-get install java-common , and run update-java-alternatives if your still having issues with java |
| 15:38.09 | Jarvis | ah |
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| 15:38.14 | Jarvis | i see your sorted |
| 15:38.18 | Jarvis | right bbiabv |
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| 15:39.13 | chomwitt | Jarvis: ok . thanks for the tip. for now it works, although i now new debian menu entries were added after libreoffice installation.. |
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| 15:40.20 | Jarvis | im not sure but i think update-menus or similar gets called every so often , if not by a script during install |
| 15:40.34 | Jarvis | could be wrong with that one tho |
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| 15:43.47 | sporedi | where do i get any antivirus for debain which support http/s scan |
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| 15:44.58 | alecjw | sporedi, antivirus softare is practically unheard of on gnu/linux systems, and is also completely unneeded |
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| 15:46.15 | sporedi | yes but i am using my debian based system as a gateway level ,want to scan internet traffic |
| 15:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | alecjw: Not true in a mixed environment. |
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| 15:46.48 | jhutchins_lt | sporedi: avg has a good one, many people use clamav which is known to miss significant windows malware. |
| 15:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | sporedi: Or rather detects it and does nothing. |
| 15:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | sporedi: Some of the commercial AV packages have linux versions. |
| 15:47.45 | sporedi | how do i add database of apt to system as this is a harden system and they use thier path to search packages |
| 15:48.26 | sporedi | ok ,thanks |
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| 16:03.25 | bintut | waves |
| 16:03.30 | bintut | happy new year! |
| 16:03.39 | kryl | happy new year ;) |
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| 16:05.10 | bintut | how to check the properties of a logical volume's ext4 filesystem? |
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| 16:06.09 | Jarvis | bintut: lvdisplay /dev/vg/lv |
| 16:06.18 | Jarvis | or lvdisplay will list all the lv's |
| 16:06.35 | Jarvis | if you want the filesystem itself |
| 16:06.39 | sporedi | ok i got ./etc/apt/sources.list but what i should add there |
| 16:08.42 | Jarvis | bintut: for ext4 speecific info uyse dumpe2fs /dev/vg/lv |
| 16:08.50 | Jarvis | *use |
| 16:09.22 | Jarvis | be aware you'll need to pipe it into more or less ( dumpe2fs /dev/vg/lv | more ) |
| 16:09.29 | Jarvis | its very verbose |
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| 16:10.13 | Jarvis | sporedi: what are u attempting to do ? |
| 16:10.34 | Vorbote | sporedi: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 16:10.36 | sporedi | i am trying to install some packages using apt |
| 16:11.11 | sporedi | but in my soruce.list there is only 1 package of my service provider's link |
| 16:11.21 | sporedi | thanks i will look @link |
| 16:11.35 | Jarvis | also |
| 16:11.47 | Jarvis | dpkg tell sporedi about sources.list |
| 16:12.29 | sporedi | thanks |
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| 16:19.00 | bintut | Jarvis: thanks. i will try the dumpe2fs command |
| 16:19.11 | Jarvis | not a problem :) |
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| 16:20.17 | complete | Gooohoood Evening! I always wonder: How often will Linux saved stuff in its write buffer to disk? For example when I mount filesystems over sshfs. I always wonder after I saved "Hmm.. is this saved now or just in the write buffer"? |
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| 16:22.43 | Jarvis | you can force it to sync the buffers to sync by running sync manually |
| 16:23.10 | Jarvis | I'll rephrase that so it doesn't sound like gibberish: You can force a sync by typing: sync |
| 16:23.22 | Jarvis | not sure of the timescales behind it tho |
| 16:23.27 | complete | i know all that |
| 16:23.30 | Vorbote | or mount the filesystem with the sync option (and watch your disk feel like molasses). |
| 16:23.34 | complete | i know all that !!! |
| 16:23.51 | complete | i just wondered after what time the kernel will write to disk on its own. |
| 16:24.44 | Vorbote | That depends of a lot of factors, ram, hardware caches, vm pressure, whatnot. |
| 16:24.52 | complete | yeah |
| 16:25.03 | complete | just as everything |
| 16:25.29 | complete | but whats a normal time. 1/1000000 second? 1 second? 1 minute? 1 hour? |
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| 16:27.27 | Jarvis | it used to be 30 seconds, a sync used to be called via update() , but thats for 2.4 iirc |
| 16:27.32 | Jarvis | not sure about 2.6 |
| 16:28.16 | Vorbote | 2.6 is very flexible. More reason to tune the vm.* parameters if you are running big iron. |
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| 16:30.36 | KjetilK | I'm seeing 100% reproducible crashes when I try to start the "Desktop" configuration in KDE on Squeeze. This is the stacktrace I currently have: http://pastie.org/1421537 |
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| 16:31.32 | KjetilK | which seems insufficient for anyone trying to figure out the problem, so I was wondering if there are any packages I should install that contain more debugging symbols that would be relevant? |
| 16:32.33 | Jarvis | errr , wheres #0 through #4 ? :p |
| 16:32.44 | Jarvis | but anyways |
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| 16:33.12 | KjetilK | uhm, yeah... |
| 16:34.01 | Jarvis | and also, look for the -dbg packages |
| 16:34.20 | Jarvis | libgl1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev, nvidia-glx-dev [i386, amd64], nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev [i386, amd64] |
| 16:34.41 | KjetilK | hmmm, this is on radeon, but yeah |
| 16:34.56 | Jarvis | if u run dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:35.08 | Jarvis | it.ll list the package which cntains that file |
| 16:35.14 | Jarvis | then just fine the dbg version of it |
| 16:35.20 | KjetilK | ah, ok |
| 16:35.34 | KjetilK | hmmm, I should remove the fglrx-glx at least |
| 16:35.43 | Jarvis | ick fglrx |
| 16:35.59 | Jarvis | i never got on with fglrx |
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| 16:36.11 | KjetilK | whaddayaknow, that fixed the problem! |
| 16:36.27 | Jarvis | yea, but it'll mean you wont have gl accelleration |
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| 16:36.42 | KjetilK | but I'm not using fglrx :-) |
| 16:36.54 | KjetilK | I use the radeon driver... |
| 16:36.56 | Jarvis | ah |
| 16:36.59 | Jarvis | ok :) |
| 16:37.00 | KjetilK | <- saint |
| 16:37.07 | Jarvis | 9:p |
| 16:37.09 | Jarvis | *:P |
| 16:37.12 | complete | Jarvis: thanks for the info! |
| 16:37.20 | Jarvis | no probs |
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| 16:37.42 | frikinz | Are performance of fglrx really above radeon ? |
| 16:38.03 | Jarvis | it'll only really matter for 3d apps iirc |
| 16:38.14 | Jarvis | if your not having any problems with gl apps |
| 16:38.15 | KjetilK | for me, radeon works just as well for the stuff I use it for |
| 16:38.19 | Jarvis | then i wouldnt worry |
| 16:38.30 | Jarvis | it wont affect X's functionality in the slightest |
| 16:38.50 | KjetilK | still, a crash is a crash, so perhaps I should report it... |
| 16:39.07 | KjetilK | but I don't know what to report, really :-) |
| 16:39.18 | Jarvis | its probably because your using the radeon driver and fglrx gl libs :p |
| 16:39.25 | Jarvis | or were :p |
| 16:39.25 | KjetilK | "don't use fglrx-glx when you're not using it" :-) |
| 16:39.32 | Jarvis | indeed :p |
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| 16:40.16 | KjetilK | should there be a package conflict there, or would that be a too heavy-handed approach? |
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| 16:41.50 | Jarvis | hmmm |
| 16:42.08 | Jarvis | not entirely sure |
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| 16:43.17 | Jarvis | i'm not sure if they'd do anything to fglrx being in non-free ... |
| 16:43.24 | Kottizen | hi. |
| 16:43.49 | Jarvis | Kottizen: whats up? |
| 16:43.54 | Kottizen | I have a server which is being DDoSed pretty often. Is it possible to log the IPs that send these packets in some way by using iptables? |
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| 16:45.37 | Jarvis | Kottizen: theres a target for matching and limiting in iptables |
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| 16:45.51 | Jarvis | if u do a rule to accept a certain ammount of a particular packet |
| 16:46.14 | Jarvis | and then log the rest , and drop |
| 16:46.22 | Jarvis | but it'd be messy |
| 16:46.27 | Kottizen | I used webmin to setup a rule. |
| 16:46.32 | Kottizen | But I'm not sure if it logs. |
| 16:47.38 | Jarvis | it wont, if u list the rules in iptables tho, and fine the one dropping it .. create a new rule just above it with target -j LOG ... it'll log them before dropping them, be aware tho it will generate lots of spam in the kernel log & dmesg |
| 16:47.48 | Jarvis | so i wouldnt recommend doing it for long |
| 16:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: Throttling will often help with that. |
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| 16:49.03 | Jarvis | i would look into some kind of additional protection - ie port sentry or something |
| 16:49.22 | Kottizen | I'm planning to install a Watchguard. |
| 16:49.31 | Jarvis | not used that one |
| 16:49.58 | Jarvis | portsentry, snort |
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| 16:50.07 | Jarvis | snort specifically may help |
| 16:51.32 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 16:51.32 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 16:52.13 | Jarvis | and yea, avoid webmin :P |
| 16:54.04 | Kottizen | I installed it for the iptables thingie only, since I don't want to lock myself out, once again. |
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| 16:56.14 | Jarvis | Kottizen: if u mess up iptables, webmin wont help you |
| 16:56.37 | Kottizen | it helps me not to mess it up |
| 16:56.38 | Jarvis | allthough what will is creating a script which resets the default action to ACCEPT on all chains, and flushes them |
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| 16:57.09 | Jarvis | so if you mess up, it'll reset them |
| 16:57.25 | Jarvis | (set the script to run */5 from crontab or the like |
| 16:57.37 | Jarvis | so if u lose access, it'll get cleared in 5 mins flat |
| 16:58.08 | Jarvis | useful esp if u dont have KVM access or the like |
| 16:58.08 | ajikeshi | Jarvis, nice idea :D |
| 16:58.19 | Kottizen | ah, no, that's not needed, I realised I had an iLO on the server, but I still prefer webmin for managing iptables |
| 16:58.26 | Kottizen | but thank you |
| 16:58.34 | Kottizen | I'll look on some hardware solution instead |
| 16:58.47 | Jarvis | :) kk |
| 16:59.14 | Jarvis | ajikeshi: i learned the hard way a long time ago to put in a safeguard when doing anything remote without a KVM :P |
| 16:59.30 | ajikeshi | hehe |
| 16:59.39 | ajikeshi | never got me a toy like that xD |
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| 17:00.20 | Jarvis | :p |
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| 17:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: webmin is a serious potential source of problems. |
| 17:01.10 | mac | whazzup! |
| 17:01.21 | Jarvis | evening mac |
| 17:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: Read this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and this: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 17:01.39 | mac | or morning here on east coast USA |
| 17:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | They are more oriented toward building actual firewalls, but one of them has a script to test iptables rules and fall back if they fail. |
| 17:02.26 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: If you really need something to manage iptables use shorewall instead of webmin. |
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| 17:02.33 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions fwbuilder |
| 17:02.34 | judd | Package fwbuilder on i386 -- etch: 2.0.9-1.2; lenny: 2.1.19-6; squeeze: 3.0.7-1; sid: 4.1.2-1; experimental: 4.1.3-1 |
| 17:02.40 | dvs | Humbug New Year. |
| 17:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | Or that. |
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| 17:03.00 | Kottizen | jhutchins_lt: thank you, I'll check it out |
| 17:03.13 | Jarvis | mac: true ;) |
| 17:03.19 | Jarvis | ,help |
| 17:03.19 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 17:03.40 | Jarvis | needs to remember some of these bot commands heh |
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| 17:27.17 | KjetilK | uh, now I get another error: http://pastebin.ca/2035900 |
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| 17:27.36 | KjetilK | at line 75, it complains about a version mismatch |
| 17:27.54 | KjetilK | err |
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| 17:29.09 | KjetilK | hmmm, the font scales poorly, so I can't see the first digit of the line number... |
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| 17:30.43 | KjetilK | anyway, this is the critical line, it seems: |
| 17:30.45 | KjetilK | [dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0, |
| 17:30.53 | KjetilK | [dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.0.0. |
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| 17:31.20 | rozie | KjetilK: what card? |
| 17:31.29 | KjetilK | Radeon HD 4770 |
| 17:33.38 | valdyn | KjetilK: so what is the output for "uname -r" and which debian release is this? |
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| 17:34.10 | KjetilK | valdyn, I'm trying an upgrade to squeeze, so 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 17:36.19 | lapfrog | can someone recommend a good SATA RAID card (for use on a debian server)? I aim to use 2 SATA 1 or 2 TB HDD's with mirroring. Maybe Seagate, i dunno. |
| 17:36.50 | KjetilK | lapfrog, I'm very happy with my 3ware cards, even though I only have old PATA versions of them |
| 17:37.01 | valdyn | lapfrog: theres no point in getting a raid card for this setup |
| 17:37.12 | lapfrog | but the computer doesn't have sata slots :D |
| 17:37.27 | lapfrog | it's an old compaq desktop computer i got it cause it's silent and i can run it from my room |
| 17:37.29 | valdyn | lapfrog: so get any sata card with 2+ ports |
| 17:37.35 | lapfrog | and do swraid? |
| 17:37.43 | rozie | KjetilK: Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.32.26-dsa-amd64 x86_64 Debian |
| 17:37.47 | valdyn | lapfrog: naturally |
| 17:37.52 | lapfrog | and uhh |
| 17:38.01 | rozie | isn't it previous kernel? |
| 17:38.01 | lapfrog | there's no performance problem? |
| 17:38.13 | valdyn | lapfrog: nope |
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| 17:38.26 | lapfrog | valdyn, benchmark page to prove it? |
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| 17:38.43 | valdyn | lapfrog: look it up yourself, its really common knowledge |
| 17:39.01 | Jarvis | lapfrog: i use mdadm on 3 of my servers and havent had an issue |
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| 17:39.12 | KjetilK | rozie, interesting... |
| 17:39.21 | lapfrog | i don't know what mdadm i yet, but it's probably the software raid manager? |
| 17:39.26 | Jarvis | yup |
| 17:39.34 | KjetilK | rozie, I get nothing newer when I dist-upgrade |
| 17:39.47 | valdyn | lapfrog: whatever you think of as "raid" card is probably a software raid anyway |
| 17:39.50 | lapfrog | and by haven't had an issue you mean some hard drives died and you replaced them without an issue/ |
| 17:40.09 | Jarvis | yes |
| 17:40.18 | lapfrog | well i was just thinking of a card that i can plug two SATA hdd's into, and my system sees it as one hdd |
| 17:40.25 | valdyn | lapfrog: but look up 3ware card prices |
| 17:40.29 | KjetilK | lapfrog, 3ware is true hardware RAID :-) |
| 17:40.34 | lapfrog | ok will do |
| 17:40.47 | Jarvis | expect to pay ££ for it tho |
| 17:40.53 | valdyn | lapfrog: and compare to "raid" crap off the shelf thats sold for < 50$ |
| 17:41.09 | Jarvis | and avoid anything with states HBA |
| 17:41.11 | pipeline | valdyn, lapfrog : actually 3ware isn't what they used to be ;_; |
| 17:41.18 | Jarvis | its basically software raid anyways |
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| 17:41.20 | KjetilK | once had a hard drive crash |
| 17:41.26 | lapfrog | hum you know what? i'm not too good at research so i'll just get a sata card and do software raid |
| 17:41.28 | KjetilK | took two weeks before I noticed |
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| 17:41.34 | pipeline | lapfrog: you should be able to get an LSI or Adaptec RAID card for <$50 on ebay |
| 17:41.40 | valdyn | pipeline: i have no idea, but im sure they are still pricey enough to scare him? |
| 17:41.49 | pipeline | lapfrog: the units that *only* do raid1 are *much* cheaper than full-scale RAID5/RAID6 units |
| 17:41.50 | lapfrog | i can afford it if it's worth it |
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| 17:42.03 | lapfrog | raid5/raid6 would mean striping yes? |
| 17:42.15 | lapfrog | i only want to get 2 hdd's |
| 17:42.16 | pipeline | lapfrog: RAID5/RAID6 use complex parity schemes to reduce the amount of redundant data |
| 17:42.23 | wildc4rd | afternoon/evening all! |
| 17:42.25 | pipeline | lapfrog: RAID1 is for your situation: just a clone of a HDD for redundancy |
| 17:42.36 | lapfrog | yes it's what i want because it's easy to understand right now |
| 17:42.41 | Jarvis | evening wildc4rd :) |
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| 17:42.45 | lapfrog | besides, i can't fit more than 2 hdd's into the machine |
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| 17:42.50 | Gijs | How to see login logs? |
| 17:43.06 | pipeline | lapfrog: LSI Logic and Adaptec are *the* names in RAID. Accept no substitutes. Often, LSI and Adaptec units are branded HP or Dell. Much cheaper that way. Even brand new, a RAID 0/1/JBOD card is pretty cheap. It's the 5/6 stuff that will cost you. |
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| 17:43.07 | lapfrog | Gijs, there's /var/log/auth.log i think |
| 17:43.07 | Jarvis | lapfrog: RAID 5 and 6 are out of the question for only 2 hard drives anyways |
| 17:43.23 | {sofone_b} | salutare e cineva din romania pe aici? |
| 17:43.26 | lapfrog | da |
| 17:43.30 | {sofone_b} | :) |
| 17:43.32 | lapfrog | dar vorbeste in engleza pls |
| 17:43.34 | valdyn | lapfrog: when this is just about 2 disks then software raid is normally better. Cheaper maybe, but its not slower and more versatile |
| 17:43.38 | {sofone_b} | ok |
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| 17:43.51 | {sofone_b} | where do you came from? |
| 17:43.55 | {sofone_b} | witch city? |
| 17:43.57 | pipeline | valdyn: 3ware is cheap compared to LSI/Adaptec... but still expensive. And horrible, now. Their reputation is built on the state of the art in the 90s. I would not recommend 3ware to anyone today. |
| 17:44.00 | valdyn | lapfrog: unless you need to dual boot windows obviously |
| 17:44.10 | lapfrog | no windows |
| 17:44.13 | valdyn | pipeline: i see, good to know |
| 17:44.18 | pipeline | valdyn, levifig : I disagree. For your boot device, hardware RAID is ideal, because redundant grub is kind of a pain in the butt. |
| 17:44.30 | alecjw | {sofone_b}, offtopic belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:44.38 | pipeline | valdyn, levifig : just in general, booting off of software RAID is frustrating |
| 17:44.45 | lapfrog | hm? |
| 17:44.47 | valdyn | pipeline: just works for me |
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| 17:44.58 | lapfrog | what's this booting frustration thing? |
| 17:45.39 | pipeline | software RAID isn't visible to the BIOS, so grub has to be installed twice etc |
| 17:46.00 | pipeline | it's not a big deal, it's just annoying and more complicated than hardware raid |
| 17:46.01 | lapfrog | but when i run grub-install, doesn't it write it to both hdd's? |
| 17:46.09 | valdyn | lapfrog: depends |
| 17:46.10 | lapfrog | T_T |
| 17:46.24 | lapfrog | i remember getting an option dialog with hdd's to install grub to |
| 17:46.28 | lapfrog | so i can just check both |
| 17:46.31 | KjetilK | rozie, indeed, it seems like the build happened on a kernel two previous versions to the one I'm currently running, do you think that is what is breaking accelaration completely? |
| 17:46.32 | valdyn | lapfrog: in debians grub2 you just tick off all disks, and youre done |
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| 17:46.37 | lapfrog | yes |
| 17:47.02 | valdyn | lapfrog: in grub1 you probably need to do it manually, I dont remember |
| 17:47.09 | lapfrog | i have grub2, no worries |
| 17:48.05 | {sofone_b} | somebody like the servers? |
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| 17:48.56 | lapfrog | we all like the servers |
| 17:48.57 | lapfrog | :P |
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| 17:49.53 | valdyn | lapfrog: grub2 knows raids and knows lvm, that should be painless |
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| 17:50.42 | valdyn | lapfrog: up to the amount of disks that your bios can find ( thats 4 I suppose ) |
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| 17:50.49 | delby | hi. i am currently running squeeze. how do i handle the transition from testing to stable when squeeze is finally released? |
| 17:51.04 | dvs | delby: there will be instructions |
| 17:51.18 | valdyn | delby: theres no transition of your sources.list uses "squeeze" |
| 17:51.20 | dvs | oh wait |
| 17:51.36 | lapfrog | well the hdd's will be connected to the SATA card, not sure how the BIOS sees those |
| 17:51.37 | valdyn | delby: so if it uses "testing", fix that right now |
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| 17:51.51 | valdyn | lapfrog: it sees them |
| 17:51.57 | Jarvis | yup, if you use squeeze in your sources.list it wont matter |
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| 17:52.00 | lapfrog | oh sorry wrong nick :P |
| 17:52.04 | valdyn | lapfrog: sata card bios hooks into the mainboard bios |
| 17:52.19 | valdyn | lapfrog: i dont know hwo that works either, but its like that, for decades |
| 17:52.24 | lapfrog | haxx! :D |
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| 17:52.57 | lapfrog | good, no problem |
| 17:52.59 | delby | so as long as my sources.list specifies squeeze rather than testing, i dont need to do anything on release? |
| 17:53.05 | lapfrog | im still looking for a sata card |
| 17:53.06 | dvs | delby: no |
| 17:53.06 | Jarvis | indeed |
| 17:53.12 | lapfrog | (online stores) |
| 17:53.13 | valdyn | delby: nearly correct yes |
| 17:53.26 | delby | thanks all for your help. |
| 17:53.31 | valdyn | delby: the security repo should be available and probably already is, you may not have it yet |
| 17:54.20 | delby | valdyn: ok will bear that in mind. thanks. |
| 17:54.25 | Jarvis | valdyn: it is, i've been using it for a while :) |
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| 17:55.11 | valdyn | delby: then theres volatile too, i dont know if you want that |
| 17:55.26 | valdyn | thats it I think |
| 17:55.35 | Jarvis | is that running for squeeze yet? |
| 17:55.46 | cristi8 | hello, after i upgraded from lenny to squeeze, a lot of application image data dissapeared (menus do not have item icons anymore) |
| 17:56.03 | valdyn | Jarvis: not there |
| 17:56.19 | valdyn | Jarvis: 404 Not Found |
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| 17:56.44 | Jarvis | *nods* |
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| 17:57.01 | Jarvis | cristi8: try running update-menus |
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| 17:59.00 | cristi8 | Jarvis: no changes. the gnome menu Applications and Places have icons, but System doesn't. System submenus have icons, Iceweasel doesn't have menu item icons anymore, neither does Pidgin... |
| 17:59.22 | bluegene | guys, i have added the daily wine repository from winehq.org but i cannot install the latest version, it seems that the squeeze version (1.0.1) is simply overriding it |
| 17:59.25 | Jarvis | have u logged out and in again since the upgrade? |
| 17:59.27 | bluegene | how can i install the latest wine? |
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| 17:59.46 | valdyn | bluegene: apt-get install wine=<version> |
| 17:59.53 | cristi8 | Jarvis: sure, rebooted |
| 17:59.57 | Jarvis | hmm |
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| 18:00.20 | TimmyT | When stable version of squeez will be released? |
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| 18:00.31 | Nephy | ..i got a nasty problem , any idea how i can get past a grub rescue with only windows installed ? |
| 18:00.38 | Jarvis | TimmyT: no date has been set yet |
| 18:00.56 | dvs | Nephy: Live linux CD? |
| 18:01.09 | Jarvis | super-grub-dosl |
| 18:01.15 | Jarvis | *super grub2 disk |
| 18:01.18 | Nephy | well i am on a linux live cd .. |
| 18:01.49 | Nephy | just dont want to install it just to get the grub working , how can I do that ?:) |
| 18:02.22 | dvs | Nephy: grub-install /dev/<disk> |
| 18:02.45 | Jarvis | cristi8: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure menu-xdg |
| 18:02.46 | bluegene | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:03.34 | cristi8 | Jarvis: that command finishes instantly with no output/interraction |
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| 18:04.13 | Jarvis | gnome yes? |
| 18:04.19 | cristi8 | Jarvis: yes. do i need to log off and back in? |
| 18:04.26 | Jarvis | try it |
| 18:04.27 | Nephy | hmm how can i mount a dev/sda1 from cl ?:) |
| 18:04.58 | Jarvis | Nephy: umount /dev/sda1 |
| 18:05.20 | Jarvis | cristi8: if that doesn't work try dpkg-reconfigure gnome-menus |
| 18:05.24 | Nephy | isnt that for unmount ? |
| 18:05.28 | Nephy | i need to mount it |
| 18:05.31 | Jarvis | oh |
| 18:05.35 | Jarvis | sorry, misread :) |
| 18:05.52 | Jarvis | mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mount |
| 18:06.05 | Jarvis | you'll need to create a directory for it if need be |
| 18:06.06 | Jarvis | eg |
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| 18:06.20 | Jarvis | mkdir /mnt/tmpmount && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmpmount |
| 18:06.29 | Nephy | ok ty |
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| 18:10.08 | Nephy | dvs: that didnt work |
| 18:10.43 | dvs | Huh? |
| 18:10.54 | cheasee | cat /proc/version shows (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) and gcc -v shows gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25) - how do i get the exact gcc version the kernel was built with? |
| 18:11.02 | Nephy | grub-install /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:11.21 | valdyn | cheasee: you just pasted it |
| 18:11.22 | dvs | /dev/sda1? It's suppose to be /dev/sda in that case. |
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| 18:12.33 | cheasee | valdyn, the issue is, ive got gcc 4.1.3 installed, the kernel was built with 4.1.2 - after i compiled the kernel source with gcc 4.1 it tells me insmod: error inserting 'ftdi_sio.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 18:12.55 | valdyn | cheasee: you are not supposed to use insmod, ever |
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| 18:13.12 | cheasee | (i changed the gcc symlink to point to gc-4.1 instead to gcc-4.3) |
| 18:13.14 | valdyn | cheasee: why would the compiler version have anything to do with this? |
| 18:13.39 | cheasee | im got told so here yesterday |
| 18:13.47 | Nephy | http://pastebin.com/SfhhFYv0 still getting an error |
| 18:14.07 | cheasee | im wanting to load a module without rebooting the machine |
| 18:14.21 | cheasee | that module wasnt built with the running kernel |
| 18:14.52 | valdyn | cheasee: the compiler has nothing to do with your issues |
| 18:15.11 | cheasee | i got the kernel source, copied .config over and compiled to have the modules to insert |
| 18:15.13 | jaggz- | what's a good secure dns server? |
| 18:15.29 | dvs | Nephy: You mount /dev/sda1 and you grub-install /dev/sda |
| 18:15.59 | valdyn | cheasee: im not sure i want to explain the whole stuff, but fragments.. |
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| 18:16.14 | valdyn | cheasee: modules are versioned, you cant mix those |
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| 18:16.30 | valdyn | cheasee: the source is probably not the same, even though you think it is |
| 18:16.39 | valdyn | cheasee: and use modprobe, not insmod |
| 18:16.40 | cheasee | valdyn, ok? then how do i go about that? i need ftdi module to be loaded what wasnt built with the running kernel... and i dont want to reboot |
| 18:16.52 | cheasee | thats why i cant use modprobe |
| 18:16.57 | valdyn | cheasee: build it against the running kernel |
| 18:17.18 | valdyn | cheasee: that is not a reason why you could not use modprobe |
| 18:17.26 | cheasee | ok, how do i do that? |
| 18:17.35 | Nephy | mount: you must specify the filesystem type ..how do i do that , sorry for all the newbish questions |
| 18:17.42 | valdyn | cheasee: is it a debian kernel? |
| 18:17.52 | cheasee | valdyn, no, own built |
| 18:18.01 | cheasee | thats how i come to that issue heh |
| 18:18.04 | dvs | Nephy: mount -t <fstype> /dev/sda /<dir> |
| 18:18.08 | valdyn | cheasee: then its your responsibility to preserve the original source |
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| 18:18.17 | valdyn | cheasee: including the original config |
| 18:18.21 | dvs | Nephy: I assuem that <fstype> would be ext3 |
| 18:18.34 | Nephy | its windows |
| 18:18.40 | valdyn | cheasee: the error however might be totally unrelated to that |
| 18:18.46 | Nephy | sda is windows |
| 18:19.02 | dvs | Nephy: You're trying to install grub into windows? |
| 18:19.02 | valdyn | cheasee: a missing symbol could just aswell mean that the module providing that symbol is not loaded |
| 18:19.02 | cheasee | valdyn, ok i got the original source and config.. |
| 18:19.28 | cheasee | oh ok |
| 18:19.42 | Nephy | i only have windows installed , and i need to get past the grub rescue |
| 18:19.45 | valdyn | cheasee: in order to use modprobe you copy the module where depmod searches, run depmod -a, then you can use modprobe |
| 18:19.52 | cheasee | valdyn, would i see what symbol it needs or depends on somewhere? |
| 18:19.59 | valdyn | cheasee: its in dmesg |
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| 18:20.20 | cheasee | ok ill try that |
| 18:20.33 | dvs | Nephy: grub rescue of what? It doesn't make sense to install grub if linux is not installed. |
| 18:20.35 | valdyn | cheasee: you should use what i said to get modprobe functionality |
| 18:20.58 | valdyn | cheasee: depmod will already give a list of *really* unavailable symbols, not just ones you failed to load the module for |
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| 18:21.49 | Nephy | dvs I had debian and tried to install ubuntu but after i formated the linux partitions i got a error and rebooted the pc.Now the ubuntu cd doesnt work anymore |
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| 18:22.13 | valdyn | cheasee: if your symbols are not versioned then theres no compiler version issue or unknown symbols issue related to versions |
| 18:22.14 | Nephy | when i turn on the pc now i get to grub rescue ..I just want to get past that to windows |
| 18:22.40 | valdyn | cheasee: and the wrong compiler will probably causea crash, but it will not make the module fail loading |
| 18:22.50 | dvs | Nephy: Oh, you have to boot up your Windows rescue disk and restore the MBR. |
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| 18:23.22 | valdyn | cheasee: ( though usually mixing compilers is not an issue, its just something you dont do, because its practically impossible to predict ) |
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| 18:23.32 | Nephy | i still have the linux partitions made , can I install the grub there ? |
| 18:23.43 | cheasee | valdyn, ya just saw in dmesg.. there are some usb symbold missing... im trying what you told with depmod |
| 18:23.44 | Nephy | they are just ..empty |
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| 18:24.02 | dvs | Nephy: No, that won't work. |
| 18:24.23 | valdyn | cheasee: versioned symbols like like symbol_name followed by some garbage |
| 18:24.34 | Nephy | I dont have the win cds with me |
| 18:24.43 | valdyn | s/like like/look like/ |
| 18:25.14 | Nephy | guess i can install this linux mint to get the grub back ..Was trying to avoid that |
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| 18:25.50 | dvs | Nephy: Try "install-mgr /dev/sda" |
| 18:26.40 | cristi8 | logged back in, same menu item icons missing, tried installing everything "aptitude search gnome | grep icon" returns, and re-login, and still icons are missing |
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| 18:26.57 | Reventlov | O hai |
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| 18:26.59 | Holden | Hello. I am trying to install squeeze on my pc, but when it searches for hard drives and loads the ahci module it doesn't see my sata disk and I get the error: "sd_mod: Unknown symbol blk_queue_physical_block_size_fixed". This is also reproducible in virtualbox (image: http://imagebin.org/130531 ). I'm using grub on my disk + linux and initrd.gz files from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debia |
| 18:27.00 | Holden | n-installer/amd64/ . Any advice? |
| 18:27.12 | Nephy | is that supposed to be mbr dvs ? |
| 18:27.22 | dvs | Nephy: Oops. Spelling mistake. Yes, you're right. |
| 18:27.34 | valdyn | Holden: dont use the squeeze installer, use the lenny installer or kmutos installers |
| 18:27.37 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 18:27.37 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 18:27.46 | Jarvis | cristi8: you dont have anything in ~/.config/menus |
| 18:27.48 | Jarvis | do u ? |
| 18:28.05 | cheasee | valdyn, dmesg output when i modprobe ftdi_sio http://pastebin.com/kG53fk1r |
| 18:28.07 | Nephy | install-mbr: command not found |
| 18:28.23 | cristi8 | Jarvis: i don't have that folder |
| 18:28.29 | Jarvis | Holden: i would saw try the daily netboot |
| 18:28.30 | cristi8 | or file |
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| 18:29.01 | Jarvis | if it still happens then it'll need a bug filing |
| 18:29.01 | dvs | Nephy: Don't know what else to try. You need to restore the MBR back to Windows. |
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| 18:29.38 | Jarvis | Nephy: do u have a grub install you can get to on a cd ? |
| 18:29.42 | dvs | Nephy: Or install linux temporarily and hopefully it will set up GRUB for you. |
| 18:29.49 | Jarvis | ie super grub-disk or the like |
| 18:30.06 | Jarvis | you can use that to boot into windows |
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| 18:30.33 | Jarvis | if u can get to a grub> prompt on a CD |
| 18:30.35 | cristi8 | Jarvis: but for example, in "gedit", File menu has no icons for menu items |
| 18:30.49 | Holden | Jarvis, I don't have a blank cd now :) but on virtualbox the businesscard image works just fine. |
| 18:31.01 | Jarvis | hmm, strange |
| 18:31.09 | Holden | valdyn, ok, or maybe I'll wait until squeeze is out :) |
| 18:31.18 | Jarvis | cristi8: do u mean icons in the application? or on the gnome menu |
| 18:31.19 | Nephy | I'' just install this linux that should restore my grub .. |
| 18:31.31 | Nephy | thank you for your help dvs |
| 18:31.35 | dvs | np |
| 18:31.46 | Jarvis | keeps a supergrub disk handy for these situations :) |
| 18:31.58 | cheasee | valdyn, how do i find out which module is needed to get that symbols? just had a look in kernel config but seems its the wrong place to look for |
| 18:32.05 | dvs | installs GRUB on both HDs for these situations. |
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| 18:32.10 | valdyn | cheasee: do what i said |
| 18:32.17 | Jarvis | hehe :) |
| 18:32.18 | Nephy | I should probably have one too Jarvis :) |
| 18:32.18 | cheasee | doing |
| 18:32.30 | valdyn | cheasee: that will fix it if you have that symbol anywhere |
| 18:32.32 | cristi8 | Jarvis: icons in applications are missing from menus, and in gnome's "System" menu (but Not missing for other gnome menus) |
| 18:32.39 | cristi8 | Jarvis: hmm, i think i make screenshots :) |
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| 18:32.57 | valdyn | cheasee: or use grep |
| 18:33.02 | cheasee | valdyn, seems i dont have that symbol... |
| 18:33.05 | valdyn | cheasee: ...with your modules |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn | cheasee: possibly |
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| 18:33.48 | valdyn | cheasee: where is that modules from? |
| 18:34.09 | valdyn | cheasee: what are the requirements of that module regarding kernel version? |
| 18:34.23 | Jarvis | cristi8: is gnome-icon-theme installed ? dpkg -l gnome-icon* |
| 18:34.37 | cheasee | valdyn, thats what im asking :) how do i find out the requirements? |
| 18:34.50 | valdyn | cheasee: ask the vendor |
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| 18:35.01 | cheasee | heh ok |
| 18:35.25 | cristi8 | Jarvis: yes, http://codepad.org/mMCAyj9n |
| 18:35.56 | Kottizen | ok fast |
| 18:36.02 | Kottizen | I need a sniffer for network traffic |
| 18:36.08 | Jarvis | tcpdump |
| 18:36.08 | cristi8 | but i don't think it's "gnome's icons" only, because in Iceweasel, icons are missing from Noscript plugin, or AdBlock+ too |
| 18:36.09 | Kottizen | to be able to identify sources of ddoses |
| 18:36.13 | cristi8 | (from the context menu) |
| 18:36.14 | Kottizen | thanks |
| 18:36.43 | Jarvis | hmmm |
| 18:36.58 | Holden | Jarvis, ok, i'm trying daily netboot on virtualbox... i'll let you know if it works. |
| 18:37.14 | Jarvis | kk |
| 18:37.42 | cristi8 | Jarvis: hmm, even in Gimp all menus have no icon |
| 18:37.53 | cristi8 | this is wierd.. |
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| 18:37.59 | Jarvis | dodgy theme maybe ? |
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| 18:38.48 | Jarvis | er |
| 18:38.59 | Jarvis | cristi8: System , preferences , appearance |
| 18:39.14 | Jarvis | interface ... is there an option for menu icons in there ? |
| 18:39.15 | ElDiabolo | Is there a scrit that creates lsb headers for old style sysv scripts. |
| 18:39.37 | cristi8 | holy ****, it may have smth to do with UMASK 027 in login.defs ? |
| 18:39.48 | cristi8 | before upgrade |
| 18:39.55 | cristi8 | i mean right when it upgraded |
| 18:40.27 | valdyn | cristi8: no |
| 18:40.29 | Jarvis | no |
| 18:40.38 | Jarvis | thats just the mask for new files |
| 18:40.56 | valdyn | cristi8: why the hell would you have that umask setting though? |
| 18:41.48 | cristi8 | so my brother's/mom user can't see my files |
| 18:41.53 | Jarvis | 750? it could be worse :) |
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| 18:42.37 | Jarvis | ElDiabolo: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 18:45.25 | Holden | Jarvis, ah perfect. no problem at all with the daily netboot initrd/linux . So I guess no need to file a bug report (the other one I tried was from 20101127 so a bit old) |
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| 18:45.57 | Azrael_- | xen-specialists here? just compiled xen 4.0.1 myself. kernel works fine but xend can't find xen.xm and thus refuses to start. (xen.xm nowhere available at all). any ideas? |
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| 18:47.54 | hsa2 | hello |
| 18:48.09 | Jarvis | cristi8: dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
| 18:48.16 | Jarvis | anything bar the header in that ? |
| 18:48.47 | hsa2 | how can i install a package from a specific repo? (like testing) btw, testing is enabled in sources.list |
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| 18:49.16 | Jarvis | hsa2: apt-get -t testing install <blah> |
| 18:49.19 | cristi8 | i don't understand the question.. there are a lot of packages that start with "rc" |
| 18:49.32 | Jarvis | cristi8: can u pastebin ? |
| 18:49.47 | Jarvis | rc basically means the package has been removed, but configs remain |
| 18:50.29 | cristi8 | Jarvis: http://codepad.org/7afeZVSx |
| 18:50.29 | hsa2 | Jarvis, thank you |
| 18:50.37 | Jarvis | oh wow |
| 18:50.43 | Jarvis | np hsa2 |
| 18:50.57 | cheasee | valdyn, big thanks for your help! i just googled the dmesg output and came to the point that i need usbserial.ko too :) now ftdi_sio is loading! :) thanks again! |
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| 18:51.37 | cheasee | modprobe usbserial ftdi_sio worked :) |
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| 18:52.18 | Jarvis | ,versions extra-xdg-menus |
| 18:52.20 | judd | Package extra-xdg-menus on i386 -- lenny: 1.0-4; sid: 1.0-4; squeeze: 1.0-4 |
| 18:52.43 | Jarvis | that wont help |
| 18:52.55 | Jarvis | cristi8: apt-get install extra-xdg-menus |
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| 18:53.04 | c0nsole | Anybody up for a job ? (photoshop/gimp) I can offer rapidshare access or megaupload / megavideo for 1 month access. PM me for more details. |
| 18:53.46 | valdyn | c0nsole: wrong channel |
| 18:53.47 | ElDiabolo | Jarvis, thx |
| 18:54.10 | binaryhat | i want to install virtualbox so i can run win7...in doing that i would like to remotely connect (locally) To win7 from a laptop. suggestions? |
| 18:54.46 | Jarvis | not a problem ElDiabolo |
| 18:54.47 | jordanm | binaryhat: aptitude install virtualbox-ose? |
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| 18:54.55 | valdyn | binaryhat: windows support is not here |
| 18:54.55 | jaggz- | if installing a package makes directories, how do I get a list of this? dirs created and files modified, etc. |
| 18:55.22 | binaryhat | no the host is debian |
| 18:55.23 | valdyn | jaggz-: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 18:55.35 | jaggz- | oh I thought that only lists included files in the package |
| 18:55.44 | Jarvis | that includes dirs :) |
| 18:55.57 | valdyn | jaggz-: thats true; packages do not "create" files |
| 18:56.09 | jordanm | as long as it was created by dpkg and not the invocation of the application |
| 18:56.50 | valdyn | jaggz-: tools contained in packages might be run in postinstall scripts however |
| 18:57.05 | valdyn | jaggz-: you would need to read the documentation |
| 18:57.11 | cristi8 | Jarvis: still no menu icons, but i think it's rather related to gtk, because i have gimp installed from source in /usr/local, and his menu icons disappeared |
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| 18:58.32 | hsa2 | is there any additional package required for using repo priorities in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:58.33 | Jarvis | well, gimp from source - theres not much we can do with , it may require recompiling ... however .. in that list ,you've got a load of gtk specific libs that have been removed |
| 18:58.45 | Jarvis | libgtk1.2 for example |
| 18:58.49 | jordanm | hsa2: no |
| 18:58.52 | Jarvis | ,versions libgtk1.2 |
| 18:58.53 | judd | Package libgtk1.2 on i386 -- etch: 1.2.10-18; lenny: 1.2.10-18.1 |
| 18:59.06 | Jarvis | gone in squeeze |
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| 18:59.31 | Jarvis | if theyre manually compiled , they're probably linking to libs that arent there sny longer |
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| 19:00.43 | cristi8 | oh, that's not the case of *all* other programs |
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| 19:00.52 | Jarvis | no its not |
| 19:01.32 | Jarvis | but i also notice libgnome-desktop-2 |
| 19:01.38 | Jarvis | has been removed |
| 19:01.44 | Jarvis | but the configs for it remain |
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| 19:03.03 | cristi8 | Jarvis: this fixed my problem.. http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com/2010/05/getting-your-menu-icons-back-in-gnome.html |
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| 19:03.43 | Jarvis | lol |
| 19:03.47 | cristi8 | i wonder why it would have changed |
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| 19:04.04 | Jarvis | thats nuts |
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| 19:06.03 | Jarvis | ubuntu did the same, but they left the interfaces option there for u to turn it back on... |
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| 19:07.06 | cristi8 | disable menu icons by default? i agree with the writer of that post.. who wouldn't want icons in the menus? |
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| 19:09.05 | cristi8 | heh, buttons_have_icons is also disabled |
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| 19:11.02 | Pumba | cristi8: who would not want menu icons? -> maybe someone with visual impairments/who is not mainly using optical means of getting output? |
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| 19:12.27 | cristi8 | Pumba: oh.. correct |
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| 19:14.08 | Jarvis | aparently they turned them off because they dont all fit correctly |
| 19:14.23 | Jarvis | but even so, you should at least give people the option |
| 19:14.27 | jaggz-1 | anyone have a doc on how to setup tinydns in debian? (from the dbndns package) .. |
| 19:14.49 | jordanm | jaggz-1: try /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian |
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| 19:18.12 | jaggz-1 | nothing special there.. just pointing out they put a patch in (turns out it's one for ipv6). |
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| 19:18.38 | jaggz-1 | guess I can follow normal instructions.. just that they seem to vary from person to person.. like making accounts for things |
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| 19:23.59 | jaggz-1 | I hate ssh'ing to a server and having my password not work once although I think I typed it right. |
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| 19:24.44 | jordanm | jaggz-1: better than it not work 3 times and getting fail2banned |
| 19:25.29 | Jarvis | disables password auth :) |
| 19:25.31 | jaggz-1 | heh.. well I mean.. I feel like I'm being watched :) |
| 19:25.41 | jaggz-1 | Jarvis, just keys? |
| 19:25.46 | Jarvis | yup |
| 19:26.36 | Jarvis | i've got 1 server with password auth enabled, and its got fail2ban , root login off,and password complexity requirements :p |
| 19:26.40 | johnfg | howdy. |
| 19:26.56 | johnfg | How's openafs doing in latest squeeze? |
| 19:27.07 | jaggz-1 | I'm so tired.. wife been ill and going through hospitalizations .. and now I have to deal with admin work when I'm rusty .. |
| 19:27.40 | jaggz-1 | can any of you help me get mail and dns working securely on a new server? I'm getting rid of an old server but that's about all it handles |
| 19:27.57 | jordanm | bets Jarvis has physical access to his servers, just in case |
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| 19:28.19 | MrOpposite | hello |
| 19:28.20 | Jarvis | johnfg: if i drive to the DC, sure :) |
| 19:28.23 | MrOpposite | I have a problem |
| 19:28.43 | MrOpposite | I think my apt repo contains an old version of su |
| 19:28.55 | MrOpposite | so su gives me permission denied |
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| 19:29.05 | MrOpposite | even when I use sudo su |
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| 19:29.42 | jordanm | MrOpposite: sudo -i |
| 19:29.53 | MrOpposite | hmm |
| 19:29.55 | MrOpposite | that works |
| 19:30.01 | MrOpposite | but why is my su broken? |
| 19:30.03 | Jarvis | then again, I've only ever had to use it once .. and that was a couple of years back when mdadm took a dump and crapped out |
| 19:30.16 | jaggz-1 | any of you for hire? |
| 19:30.18 | jordanm | MrOpposite: paste stat /bin/su |
| 19:30.32 | jordanm | jaggz-1: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 19:30.35 | jaggz-1 | I guess I need to learn how this is managed myself |
| 19:30.40 | jaggz-1 | jordanm, nice, thanks |
| 19:31.11 | MrOpposite | jordanm http://pastebin.com/iczsiJF9 |
| 19:31.36 | Jarvis | ok random question MrOpposite did u set a root password? |
| 19:31.40 | MrOpposite | yes |
| 19:31.55 | MrOpposite | however |
| 19:32.08 | MrOpposite | the sudo and su and ssh login broke after dist-upgrade |
| 19:32.11 | Jarvis | ok,the reason i ask is because if u didn't, su - wont work |
| 19:32.15 | MrOpposite | I fixed sudo and ssh |
| 19:32.16 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 19:32.27 | jordanm | MrOpposite: dist-upgrade to what? how did you fix? |
| 19:32.29 | MrOpposite | also the proccessor achitecture is sparc |
| 19:32.32 | Jarvis | MrOpposite: anything in /var/log/auth.log? |
| 19:32.35 | MrOpposite | uhm |
| 19:32.45 | MrOpposite | the sshd needen an sshd user |
| 19:32.49 | MrOpposite | needed* |
| 19:32.49 | Jarvis | err |
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| 19:32.59 | Jarvis | what on earth |
| 19:33.08 | MrOpposite | the sudo needed to be updated into a newer version and have pam.d/sudo modified |
| 19:33.16 | Jarvis | err |
| 19:33.32 | jordanm | MrOpposite: ... did you try to do an upgrade from etch -> squeeze or something? |
| 19:33.39 | MrOpposite | nope |
| 19:33.49 | Jarvis | MrOpposite: dpkg -l sudo |
| 19:33.49 | MrOpposite | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:33.54 | Jarvis | im intrigued now |
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| 19:34.20 | MrOpposite | http://pastebin.com/BHNN9PpQ Jarvis |
| 19:34.25 | jordanm | MrOpposite: pastebin apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy sudo libc6 |
| 19:34.36 | jordanm | ,versions sudo |
| 19:34.38 | judd | Package sudo on i386 -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4; lenny: 1.6.9p17-3; lenny-security: 1.6.9p17-3; squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2; sid: 1.7.4p4-5 |
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| 19:34.56 | jordanm | MrOpposite: etch is no longer supported |
| 19:35.04 | Jarvis | etch ? :o |
| 19:35.35 | MrOpposite | http://pastebin.com/rGZrSd6a jordanm |
| 19:35.40 | MrOpposite | etch? |
| 19:35.49 | jordanm | holy crap |
| 19:35.51 | jordanm | !sarge |
| 19:35.52 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 19:35.52 | Jarvis | omg |
| 19:36.15 | jordanm | MrOpposite: you need to upgrade to etch, then lenny... |
| 19:36.31 | MrOpposite | uhm... How? |
| 19:36.37 | jordanm | and remove the pinning for libc6 |
| 19:36.53 | jordanm | MrOpposite: see the etch release notes. there is a section on upgrading |
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| 19:37.08 | MrOpposite | right... |
| 19:37.20 | MrOpposite | The machine is a ReadyNAS fyi |
| 19:37.27 | MrOpposite | ReadyNAS duo |
| 19:37.58 | MrOpposite | !etch |
| 19:37.58 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 19:38.04 | jordanm | MrOpposite: well, you can stick with that ancient release if the readynas community will support it. unfortunately, we will not |
| 19:38.12 | MrOpposite | well |
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| 19:38.24 | MrOpposite | I won't use it as the readynas community suggests |
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| 19:38.34 | MrOpposite | therefore I'd like support from the debian community |
| 19:38.36 | MrOpposite | But |
| 19:38.45 | MrOpposite | I still have no idea how to update it... |
| 19:38.59 | Jarvis | MrOpposite: i can guide you through it if you want |
| 19:39.02 | MrOpposite | (I run Archlinux on my computer) |
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| 19:39.04 | jordanm | !tell MrOpposite about sarge->etch |
| 19:39.08 | MrOpposite | yes pelase |
| 19:39.21 | Jarvis | PM for this one i think |
| 19:39.25 | Jarvis | might take a while :) |
| 19:39.40 | MrOpposite | ok |
| 19:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | MrOpposite: If you would care to install debian on your system we would be happy to help support you. |
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| 19:40.37 | MrOpposite | I have debian on the system that has problems |
| 19:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, ok. THe scrollback is a bit confusing. |
| 19:41.06 | Jarvis | hasnt seen a sarge system for a while hehe |
| 19:41.18 | jordanm | because something as important as libc6 is not from debian, it is "questionable" whether or not to call it debian :) |
| 19:41.21 | Gijs | I need help, i lost my root password. and now i need to change it, OVH (my hoster) allows me to put the server in rescue mode and get some temporary password. but i have no idea how to change the password of my installation. |
| 19:41.36 | jordanm | Gijs: "passwd root" |
| 19:41.55 | Gijs | doesn't help |
| 19:42.09 | jordanm | Gijs: where you initiate the command will be dependant on the recovery environment that your host provides |
| 19:42.13 | jordanm | you will need to consult them |
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| 19:49.08 | Miika-- | Hello! |
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| 19:50.23 | Gijs | Oke now i need to mount my files in rescue mode |
| 19:50.28 | Gijs | but i get an error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid' |
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| 19:51.19 | Gijs | what's wrong? |
| 19:51.41 | Miika-- | I have a problem: I have entry on fstab and the mount is ok, but it's owner is root.vboxsf... and rights are 0770... I need it to be either owned by some other user or rights to be 0777... How I can change that? |
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| 19:53.22 | ryan-c | /etc/fstab should be 0644 or 0664 |
| 19:54.39 | Gijs | anybody? |
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| 19:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Have you looked at the fstab manpage? |
| 19:56.49 | Gijs | no |
| 19:58.45 | johnfg | Jarvis, Sorry, got distracted watching football. Didn't understand the humor... |
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| 20:00.45 | Jarvis | d/w johnfg i think that line was destined for jordanm :) |
| 20:01.36 | Gijs | People i really need some help |
| 20:01.51 | Gijs | i need to change my root password of my server, but if i wanna do that i need to mount files. |
| 20:02.19 | Gijs | so anybody please tell me how to just fix this problem: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid'" |
| 20:03.10 | un214 | mdraid is not a filesystem type |
| 20:03.25 | un214 | you need raid initialized, then you mount /dev/md0 |
| 20:04.16 | Gijs | how do i get raid initialized? |
| 20:04.35 | Gijs | btw i use the command: mount /dev/sda1/ /mnt/ |
| 20:04.37 | un214 | doesn't use raid |
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| 20:05.50 | vlt_ | Gijs: If you mount sda1 and change the password, your raid will not be consistent anymore |
| 20:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Did you build this system? |
| 20:06.25 | Gijs | no |
| 20:06.52 | vlt_ | Gijs: either start your raid (mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd[ab]1, for example) or mount sda1 with "-t ex3" ... |
| 20:07.12 | vlt_ | s/ex3/ext3 |
| 20:07.20 | Gijs | uhm, |
| 20:07.29 | Gijs | mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd[ab]1, what will this do? |
| 20:07.56 | vlt_ | Gijs: _A_ssemble the existing array md0 from sda1 and sdb1 |
| 20:08.14 | vlt_ | Gijs: This was an example. I don't know your raid layout |
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| 20:26.09 | fanderal | Odd pm suspend problem on 64-bit Squeeze, desktop, no DE. In Lenny and now in Squeeze, hitting the USB keyboard spacebar would resume. As of a week ago, keyboard doesn't work, only the power button resumes. I checked suspend wiki, man pages, docs, and files in /usr/lib/pm-utils/, but didn't find a hardware wake/resume option. How do I re-enable the keyboard as a resume device? Thanks |
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| 20:28.35 | jhutchins | Gijs: If you're going to be responsible for this system you'll need to understand it a lot better. The fstab and mdadmin manpages would be a good start. |
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| 20:39.08 | johaBBa | hello. i installed lenny just now from disc1 with encrypted lvm. install went fine, but I cannot boot after first reboot. I have two encrypted PVs. during boot i get prompted for the 2nd PV passwd, but not the first. is this a common error? |
| 20:39.33 | johaBBa | both PVs are in /etc/crypttab |
| 20:39.40 | johaBBa | not using uuids |
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| 20:41.53 | fanderal | Would really appreciate a pointer in the right direction... is this a suspend hook/parameter edit, an acpi event, something to do with udev? |
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| 20:51.39 | un214 | how to build the ultimate firewall |
| 20:52.05 | un214 | take etherenet cable apart, swap wires 1 with 4 and 2 with 3 |
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| 20:53.24 | Jarvis | is really beginning to hate libc6 :p |
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| 20:55.04 | un214 | Jarvis: I think I have libc5 in my archives, want? |
| 20:55.17 | Jarvis | no thanks ;) |
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| 20:56.55 | un214 | any particular danger these days of moving root's home to /home/root? |
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| 21:05.40 | Qation | Can anyone help me with docky? this is the error it gives: http://pastie.org/1421933 and I have dbus running |
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| 21:37.51 | lapsusbrutus | kvm > vmware? anyone tried both recently and have strong opinions? :) |
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| 21:39.01 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: they only differ in user interface, integration with system (libvirt) and level of bloat (here, VMware > KVM :P ) |
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| 21:39.15 | therealgalen | I've got a system where ~50-60% of the cpu appears to be in use at all times, but the system is doing virtually nothing, and when i look at top, the % of cpu in use nowhere near approaches the total reported at the top |
| 21:39.30 | therealgalen | any ideas on what this is or how to find out? |
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| 21:39.51 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: hm... sort by CPU usage? also, what value is that? usr? sys? wa? |
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| 21:44.27 | therealgalen | the usage is roughly split between usr and sys |
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| 21:47.06 | thewanderer1 | are you sorting tasks by CPU usage? |
| 21:47.10 | therealgalen | I am |
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| 21:48.09 | therealgalen | http://pastebin.com/CY3uby92 |
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| 21:49.18 | therealgalen | i feel like i am going insane |
| 21:50.03 | cristi8 | what happened to gcalctool in squeeze? :| |
| 21:50.24 | cristi8 | ,versions gcalctool |
| 21:50.25 | judd | Package gcalctool on i386 -- etch: 5.8.25-1; lenny: 5.22.3-2; sid: 5.30.2-2; squeeze: 5.30.2-2; experimental: 5.31.1-1 |
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| 21:54.50 | thewanderer1 | therealgalen: are you using a non-standard kernel? |
| 21:54.59 | therealgalen | nho |
| 21:55.29 | thewanderer1 | what's your uname -a ? |
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| 22:02.59 | lwizardl | hello |
| 22:03.15 | lwizardl | I'm having problems with my headphone jack on my laptop. |
| 22:03.35 | lwizardl | what would i need to do to enable it when plugged in ? |
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| 22:05.52 | MrOpposite | ok |
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| 22:08.38 | MrOpposite | why does my debootstrap fail on my sparc device? |
| 22:09.01 | MrOpposite | root@opposite-nas:/lenny-chroot/bin# ./bash |
| 22:09.01 | MrOpposite | -bash: ./bash: cannot execute binary file |
| 22:09.13 | MrOpposite | root@opposite-nas:/# debootstrap --arch=sparc lenny /lenny-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 22:11.26 | qq- | --arch sparc |
| 22:11.47 | MrOpposite | thanks qq, I'll try |
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| 22:21.58 | fosstux | Hi! I'm currently using Debian Testing. It has Chromium 6.0.472.63 in the repository - my question now is: how can I install a newer Version? |
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| 22:23.18 | d9500 | fosstux: doesn't google.com/chrome have debian packages? or do you want the foss-only chromium instead off the official google branded binaries under the google eula? |
| 22:23.55 | fosstux | I'd prefer chromium... |
| 22:24.31 | Arrowmaster | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 22:24.33 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-4; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-4; experimental: 9.0.597.19~r68937-1 |
| 22:24.48 | fosstux | okay - thanks |
| 22:24.54 | Arrowmaster | experimental has 9.x |
| 22:25.44 | Arrowmaster | since testing is frozen, unstable probably isnt being upgraded either so thats why experimental has a much newer |
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| 22:27.38 | d9500 | fosstux: there's a statically linked compressed binary available from http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~cxs548/chrome.tar.gz |
| 22:28.17 | fosstux | thanks |
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| 22:29.46 | d9500 | not sure what version, and they mention centos rather than debian, but if you have xdg-utils and libXcomposite installed, it might work. i got an ELF error when running the binary from terminal, though |
| 22:30.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | d9500: google provide debs, why would you point to thta tarball? o.o |
| 22:30.25 | MrOpposite | !sparc |
| 22:30.26 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:30.54 | d9500 | Kamping_Kaiser: google's official debs are google eula licensed, aren't they? |
| 22:31.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: what sort of sparc to you have? |
| 22:31.17 | MrOpposite | How do I check? |
| 22:31.20 | MrOpposite | well |
| 22:31.24 | MrOpposite | I did some research |
| 22:31.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | d9500: yeha, they are chrome, not chromium |
| 22:31.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:31.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | *yeah |
| 22:31.46 | MrOpposite | and the binaries of the --arch=sparc is SPARC32PLUS |
| 22:32.16 | MrOpposite | and my binaries is simply SPARC |
| 22:32.32 | MrOpposite | http://pastebin.com/ypF4rN5Y |
| 22:32.40 | MrOpposite | theres the output Kamping_Kaiser ^ |
| 22:32.42 | d9500 | Kamping_Kaiser: well, fosstux wanted the FOSS version. since testing is frozen for squeeze and hence sid is frozen too (at least per aptosid's website) then a statically linked binary might be the quickest way to get running without having to compile from source |
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| 22:33.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | d9500: ah, i missed that bit. (the foss bit). thanks :) |
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| 22:33.39 | d9500 | Kamping_Kaiser: that said, i couldn't get the binary to run, so YMMV. |
| 22:34.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | d9500: i know it runs on centos, i'd guess it would be easier to !ssb the package fromom experimental |
| 22:34.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: ah, an oooold sparc |
| 22:34.45 | MrOpposite | Humm? |
| 22:35.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: i take it thats not SUN hardware? |
| 22:35.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: what is currently running on it, and what are you trying to debootstrap? |
| 22:35.51 | MrOpposite | Currently? |
| 22:35.54 | MrOpposite | Sarge |
| 22:35.58 | MrOpposite | Debootstrap? |
| 22:35.59 | MrOpposite | Lenny |
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| 22:37.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect youll find sparc (pre 32plus) got dropped somewhere around there, but i'm not sure |
| 22:37.14 | MrOpposite | hmm |
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| 22:38.31 | staybb | whats the program name to download files from hoster like rapidshare in text based debian? |
| 22:39.03 | Arrowmaster | a browser? |
| 22:40.04 | dvs | wget |
| 22:40.06 | Arrowmaster | although im guessing those kinda sites arent very text based browser friendly |
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| 22:43.18 | staybb | i dont remember the name of the tool it begans with a... |
| 22:43.26 | Alagar | good evening all |
| 22:43.27 | staybb | and "2" at least |
| 22:43.47 | MrOpposite | Kamping_Kaiser you were right... "SPARC 32-bit hardware support dropped." @ lenny |
| 22:43.52 | Alagar | is possible to encrypt the configuration file in debian? |
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| 22:44.35 | Arrowmaster | what configuration file |
| 22:45.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | staybb: apt-cache search rapidshare |
| 22:45.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ? |
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| 22:45.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: had a feeling that was the case :/ |
| 22:45.37 | Alagar | Arrowmaster: i need to encrypt httpd.conf in my linux box |
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| 22:46.01 | MrOpposite | but that means that it should be good with etch? |
| 22:46.01 | Arrowmaster | why? |
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| 22:46.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrOpposite: yeah. note that etch is unsupported and now no longer on the main ftp servers |
| 22:46.54 | MrOpposite | yea |
| 22:46.58 | MrOpposite | I just found it |
| 22:47.49 | Alagar | Arrowmaster: for the security reason... |
| 22:47.57 | Alagar | Arrowmaster: is possible? |
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| 22:48.16 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it since the daemon has to be able to read it |
| 22:49.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Alagar: why encrypt it rather then make it owned by apache and then remove 'other' read access? |
| 22:49.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | (and why are you storing passwords in it?) |
| 22:50.03 | Alagar | Kamping_Kaiser: yes iam storing some password?, |
| 22:50.21 | nozick | what's the easiest way for a beginner to install debian with a custom kernel? |
| 22:50.24 | Arrowmaster | read your webserver docs better then, you should be able to encrypt the passwords |
| 22:51.58 | Silicium | hi there |
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| 22:52.20 | Silicium | does anyone run skype on debian testing? AMD64? |
| 22:52.20 | Pumba | nozick: install debian, build custom kernel, reboot |
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| 22:52.25 | staybb | aria2 was the program i searched |
| 22:54.09 | frikinz | jdownloader is great too |
| 22:54.12 | nozick | Pumba: i've got a macbookpro7.1 that i want to install debian, but the default kernel doesnt support it, so what would be the second easiest way then? |
| 22:54.47 | qq- | !kmuto |
| 22:54.47 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 22:57.05 | peterrooney | nozick: there's the make-kpkg package, which builds a custom kernel deb for you |
| 22:57.08 | Arrowmaster | nozick: use the kmuto installer for lenny, or just try squeeze, both should have a recent enough kernel |
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| 22:59.06 | nozick | thanks everyone |
| 22:59.42 | qq- | !macbook |
| 22:59.42 | dpkg | methinks macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
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| 23:06.41 | cdynamics | nsadmin: you around? |
| 23:07.54 | H2S04 | whois sshorm |
| 23:08.13 | MrOpposite | ok |
| 23:08.24 | MrOpposite | NOW WHAT IS IT COMPLAINING ABOUT? |
| 23:08.29 | MrOpposite | root@opposite-nas:/lenny-chroot/bin# file bash |
| 23:08.29 | MrOpposite | bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 23:08.47 | MrOpposite | root@opposite-nas:/lenny-chroot/bin# file /bin/bash |
| 23:08.47 | MrOpposite | /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 23:08.59 | MrOpposite | Both are for SPARC, not SPARC32PLUS |
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| 23:09.15 | MrOpposite | but it gives "Illegal instruction" |
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| 23:10.19 | MrOpposite | well when chrooting that is |
| 23:10.40 | MrOpposite | not when executing the bash file with /lenny-chroot/bin/bash |
| 23:11.22 | babilen | Silicium: A bunch of people do, what is the problem? |
| 23:12.41 | staybb | how can i copy a long console text into a txt file? |
| 23:12.49 | staybb | in text lined debian |
| 23:13.08 | robokop | staybb: what do you mean exactly? |
| 23:13.25 | Silicium | babilen: iam unable to load some shared libs |
| 23:13.28 | un214 | gdm |
| 23:13.38 | robokop | staybb: you could do output redirection or don't you mean anything like that |
| 23:13.40 | Silicium | e.g: libQtDBus.so.4 |
| 23:13.44 | staybb | i get a long command in my console. i need to restart the system and dont want to write the command in too |
| 23:13.50 | un214 | or read from /dev/vcs1 |
| 23:13.50 | Silicium | but the library exists |
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| 23:13.56 | babilen | Silicium: You might want to install them. (ia32-libs come to mind) |
| 23:14.01 | Silicium | it is |
| 23:14.14 | Silicium | it works on ubuntu64 and debian 5 |
| 23:14.17 | Silicium | but not debian 6 |
| 23:14.34 | robokop | staybb: no bash history? |
| 23:14.42 | babilen | Silicium: What about ia32-libs-gtk ? |
| 23:14.56 | staybb | robokop, if i restart the system, the bash history is deleted or? |
| 23:15.07 | Bop | its not deleted |
| 23:15.08 | robokop | not by default |
| 23:15.12 | babilen | Silicium: In general: Search for the libraries with apt-file and install the missing packages |
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| 23:15.47 | Silicium | they are installed |
| 23:16.13 | staybb | ok i hope i restart |
| 23:16.24 | Silicium | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.44 | Silicium | marco@Julie:/usr/bin$ file /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4.6.3 |
| 23:16.44 | Silicium | /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4.6.3: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 23:17.08 | Silicium | so they must be a problems in the ia-32-libs |
| 23:17.18 | Silicium | so, skype ist just 32bit |
| 23:17.46 | babilen | The lib is /usr/lib32/libQtDBus.so.4.6.3 |
| 23:21.24 | babilen | Silicium: Do you have that file? |
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| 23:21.43 | Silicium | nope |
| 23:22.10 | babilen | Silicium: And you are sure that ia32-libs-gtk is installed? |
| 23:22.18 | Silicium | no :D |
| 23:22.31 | Silicium | uuh |
| 23:22.42 | babilen | "they are installed" ? |
| 23:22.44 | Silicium | here we go |
| 23:23.08 | Silicium | nope, i belive in thats all in the ia32-libs package |
| 23:23.10 | staybb | where does wget save the downloaded files? |
| 23:23.11 | Silicium | but i was wrong ;) |
| 23:23.25 | Silicium | now it works |
| 23:23.26 | Silicium | thanks a lot |
| 23:23.29 | babilen | Silicium: Which is why I mentioned it earlier. Is it working now? |
| 23:23.35 | babilen | great :) |
| 23:23.50 | robokop | staybb: current directory |
| 23:23.56 | Silicium | i'am sorry, never had to install the gtk lib32 |
| 23:24.34 | pabs3 | anyone good at pixel art? want to draw us some bugs? http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/thread/24 |
| 23:24.44 | staybb | and if i download a webside with wget -r -l 5 i get the files that i can upload to have the same side? |
| 23:25.35 | robokop | you get a subdirectory with the files in it |
| 23:26.57 | staybb | so the files i can uplad 1:1 on my server to have the same webside? |
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| 23:32.18 | thewanderer1 | staybb: for making mirrors of WWW sites, use httrack |
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| 23:32.40 | MrOpposite | wellwell |
| 23:32.47 | MrOpposite | let's try an upgrade again |
| 23:32.56 | MrOpposite | as the chroot didn't work |
| 23:33.14 | staybb | thewanderer1, httrak is text based too? |
| 23:33.38 | thewanderer1 | staybb: yup |
| 23:34.06 | MrOpposite | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 23:34.06 | MrOpposite | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit |
| 23:34.08 | MrOpposite | uhm |
| 23:34.11 | MrOpposite | what should I do? |
| 23:36.53 | un214 | wow |
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| 23:38.08 | un214 | you have rescue cd handy? |
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| 23:38.24 | staybb | thewanderer1, u know accidentally the simple bash command to mirror a page with httrack? |
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| 23:39.05 | thewanderer1 | staybb: I quite entirely accidentally forgot it |
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| 23:39.47 | antivigilante | what's the unixy way creating user oriented partitions |
| 23:40.03 | thewanderer1 | antivigilante: "user-oriented"? |
| 23:40.05 | un214 | MrOpposite: trying to skip versions or something? |
| 23:40.44 | antivigilante | as in I have a mount point for my massive source code library (hypothetically) |
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| 23:41.51 | antivigilante | but one drive has partitions with game and 3d source code and another drive has lisp and AI stuff |
| 23:41.54 | MrOpposite | un214 I have no idea how... |
| 23:42.07 | antivigilante | these aren't available at all times |
| 23:42.49 | antivigilante | but I use lvm and want to keep some space set aside for these partitions |
| 23:44.44 | antivigilante | i'm looking for a way to split up /home/antivigilante/ -maybe that's a clearer description |
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| 23:45.15 | chrisign | hello, can I change the process-scheduler to another desktop friendly one? on a running system? |
| 23:45.25 | un214 | well |
| 23:45.43 | un214 | nothing says you can't mount partitions inside of /home/antivigilante |
| 23:46.12 | antivigilante | how do i do it so I don't have to sudo |
| 23:46.30 | un214 | are they always available (I belive you said the answer was no) |
| 23:46.43 | antivigilante | no they're not |
| 23:47.00 | un214 | add user to the options in fstab permits it |
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| 23:47.20 | antivigilante | ok so user in the options |
| 23:47.26 | antivigilante | coolies |
| 23:47.34 | un214 | and then the user can do mount foldername |
| 23:48.11 | un214 | it pokes a bit of an interesting security hole, but then again anybody to exploit it has local access |
| 23:48.35 | antivigilante | also I have one drive with an lvm partition is there anyway to make this automount like usb flash disks do |
| 23:48.39 | un214 | so its really not all that interesting |
| 23:49.10 | un214 | usb hard drive? |
| 23:49.24 | antivigilante | normally i have to go in and do vgchange -a y vgroup |
| 23:49.32 | antivigilante | enclosure for 2.5 SATA |
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| 23:50.03 | un214 | unfortunately my recall of architecutre is poor here but udev post handler might be able to do it |
| 23:50.25 | antivigilante | so i'd have to write my own - ok |
| 23:50.37 | un214 | you might be better off not using lvm |
| 23:50.52 | un214 | lvm + removable drive sounds painful |
| 23:51.04 | antivigilante | it's ornery not painful |
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| 23:55.57 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1, hi, you was the one helping me out with kvm I remeber. the screen command thing to avoid vm taking over hosts screen and be able to run vms smoothly from remote computer. Thanks for helping :D Ive got 6 vms running now experimenting with different windowmanagers and a lot of cool things ;) |
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| 23:57.06 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: glad I helped |
| 23:57.12 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
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