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| 00:11.00 | Pinchiukas | Anyone wanna tell me what these messages mean: http://pastebin.com/G3dT4Kdu ? This is from the CUPS error_log when trying to do something from a Windows box (open the properties dialog and such). |
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| 00:29.49 | Mikaze | Hello, all. Friend is throwing a fit about the problems Mickeysoft is having with file dates, and being unable to date older files any more to keep them accurate. I recall Norton Utilities having a file date change utility back in DOS days, and was wondering if Linux had similar file date problems, and if there's a file date changing utility? |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | that doesn't even make sense ? |
| 00:31.08 | Mikaze | Get smarter. |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | ask a windows support channel |
| 00:31.51 | Mikaze | I'm asking about Linux. |
| 00:32.13 | chipotle | how do i see the version of debian i am using? |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | you want to intentinonally alter a file to ahave a different date of creation ? |
| 00:32.35 | Mikaze | Yes. Like for old photographs. |
| 00:32.46 | Bushmills | Mikaze: touch |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | still not making sense |
| 00:32.53 | babilen | !tell chipotle -about version |
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| 00:34.43 | giwe | How do we setup scim with java applications? |
| 00:35.19 | giwe | I'm using testing release. |
| 00:36.13 | Mikaze | giwe: cat /etc/version |
| 00:36.30 | dvs | ???\ |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | dvs: get smarter |
| 00:37.19 | Mikaze | growls. |
| 00:37.22 | dvs | hmm... |
| 00:37.31 | dvs | moves to Yale |
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| 00:38.25 | Arrowmaster | Mikaze: although some filesystems not support it i dont think any utilities actually do anything with file creation date in linux |
| 00:38.52 | giwe | Mikaze: humn no /etc/version |
| 00:39.25 | giwe | Mikaze: cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 00:39.36 | giwe | Mikaze: it is up to date |
| 00:39.50 | babilen | giwe: Completely unrelated to your problem. Look into, e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE |
| 00:40.07 | babilen | giwe: (the version is unrelated, the link not) |
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| 00:40.34 | Mikaze | /etc/debian_version was the file I was thinking about. |
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| 00:40.52 | giwe | babilen: scim is working with web browser but can't make it work with a java ap. |
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| 00:41.01 | Mikaze | Or debian-version. |
| 00:41.06 | Jarvis | or lsb_release -a |
| 00:41.07 | Mikaze | Fuggit. |
| 00:41.07 | Jarvis | :p |
| 00:41.21 | giwe | Mikaze: cat /etc/debian_version squeeze/sid |
| 00:42.02 | Mikaze | You want the numbers for Squeeze? 5.0. |
| 00:42.09 | Jarvis | 6.0 :p |
| 00:42.16 | dvs | 7.0? |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | uhm .. that has nothing to do with it .. |
| 00:42.19 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:42.22 | Mikaze | You sure? |
| 00:42.26 | stew | squeeze is 6.0 |
| 00:42.34 | babilen | giwe: Read that link -- look into configuring a "X input method (XIM)" and related things. I assume that it is working as GTK input method now |
| 00:42.36 | Mikaze | thought Lenny was 4.0. |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | no, that was etch |
| 00:42.44 | Jarvis | nah lenny is 5 |
| 00:42.45 | stew | Mikaze: /topic |
| 00:42.49 | Mikaze | Did I miss an upgrade? |
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| 00:43.28 | Mikaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.51 | Jarvis | no it isnt |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 00:45.11 | Mikaze | ponders hacking touch to make it do file creation dates. |
| 00:45.39 | babilen | giwe: That should enable scim for all X programs. You should search for other websites on that topic as well, but I guess that Osamu knows something about it :) |
| 00:45.53 | Arrowmaster | i think a lot of other things need changed before touch could effect file creation dates |
| 00:46.00 | babilen | Mikaze: What do you need that for? |
| 00:46.15 | stew | s/hacking/using/? |
| 00:46.19 | k[t | reminds Mikaze to 0day the source when done: ( uuencode+sprunge : accepted everywhere ) |
| 00:46.26 | Mikaze | Bragging rights vs. a wWin7 user. Jeez. |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | hex editor ? |
| 00:46.59 | Arrowmaster | Mikaze: for example you would need a way to retrieve the file creation dates first before it would be any use to set them |
| 00:47.10 | babilen | Mikaze: What does "Bragging rights" mean? |
| 00:47.19 | Mikaze | He's already pissed off he can only edit .bat files with Notepad, and I wanna really rub it in. |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | sonuds like they've both lost |
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| 00:48.34 | k[t | wait a minute, doesn't touch already write metadata... not only touch, but exiftool as well... |
| 00:49.13 | babilen | Mikaze: Do you actually have a problem #debian could help you with? |
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| 00:49.33 | Arrowmaster | k[t: doesnt do creation date |
| 00:50.01 | Tramp | what filesystem stores creation date? |
| 00:50.08 | Arrowmaster | ext4 does |
| 00:50.13 | k[t | none... |
| 00:50.15 | Arrowmaster | but nothing uses it |
| 00:50.25 | giwe | babilen: k, gonna take a look. |
| 00:50.31 | Tramp | and he's talking about ext4? |
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| 00:50.46 | Arrowmaster | you cant even read the file creation date from ext4 in linux afaik |
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| 00:51.58 | Mikaze | Must be so others can monitor the goings-on in your puter when they confiscate it. |
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| 00:53.32 | Mikaze | Well, thankx for the info. |
| 00:54.30 | k[t | i really am trying to understand what you mean by creation date, for instance: "$ touch file ; touch --date="January 1 1970" file ; exiftool file -- ( date created: January 1 1970 )" |
| 00:55.06 | abrotman | k[t: he's gone, and it was really a windows question |
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| 00:55.53 | k[t | then alls fair and none won; carry-on and good-day lads... |
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| 00:56.38 | Arrowmaster | well i have no clue about exiftool and what its actually doing but nothing i have tired has any info on file creation date |
| 00:57.12 | Arrowmaster | how many different dates does exiftool list? |
| 00:57.42 | k[t | that was only sample output.. |
| 00:59.03 | Arrowmaster | oh so you didnt actually try that? im guessing since its exiftool its pulling data from the metadata in the file and not from the filesystem metadata |
| 00:59.41 | k[t | guess so.. |
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| 01:00.26 | k[t | so what file/device is being read to get the creation date/time? |
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| 01:00.56 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean? |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | k[t: ext3 doesn't store creation time .. touch foo; stat foo |
| 01:01.55 | k[t | well you said i'm reading the file, (which is right) and not the filesytem (which is also right). So my question is what request to what is being made? |
| 01:02.41 | k[t | no wonder i'm so blind, i use ext3/journaled.. |
| 01:02.55 | Arrowmaster | like i said i have absolutely no clue why exiftool would list a creation date on an empty file |
| 01:02.58 | k[t | well on the desktop atleast, the laptop is still ext2.. |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: i believe it pulls it from the image's exif data .. not the filesystem |
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| 01:04.35 | Arrowmaster | right but a zero length file just created by touch wouldnt have any data in it |
| 01:05.08 | abrotman | did he say what the value was ? |
| 01:05.37 | Arrowmaster | well he said "$ touch file ; touch --date="January 1 1970" file ; exiftool file -- ( date created: January 1 1970 )" but then said that was only sample output |
| 01:05.43 | k[t | so... how does one get "Creation Date" from a file/folder? |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | you don't |
| 01:05.56 | Arrowmaster | as i was saying, currently you cant afaik |
| 01:05.57 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: uhm, that isn't a real date |
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| 01:06.25 | abrotman | try making the date like October 15th, 1987 ? |
| 01:06.36 | k[t | lulz |
| 01:06.58 | k[t | i didn't notice: i guess i mean File Modification Date/Time, not Creation... |
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| 01:07.57 | k[t | well i thought xerox had computers like way before then... |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | many companies did |
| 01:08.18 | k[t | (before 1970 i mean) |
| 01:08.31 | Arrowmaster | right, stat for example can list last access, modification, and change (i think one of those is for the metadata and the other for the actual file data) |
| 01:08.33 | matt868686 | I installed Windows 7 and made partitions using Windows 7 installer. Now if I boot up from Live CD I can see following: http://pastebin.com/PVtyCzvk "Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary". I know, that those are just warning messages, but why does fdisk show those if for example sda1 ends on sector 206847 and sda2 start on 206848. I mean there should be no wasted space and partitions end on cylinder boundaries |
| 01:08.59 | k[t | aye caramba... |
| 01:09.09 | Vorbote | points Arrowmaster to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXIF (You are fighting windmills, btw). |
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| 01:09.31 | abrotman | k[t: what is the earliest date unix knows ? |
| 01:09.46 | k[t | wait vorbote, we need confirmation: reall big windmills or just a child's toy windmill... =P |
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| 01:11.04 | k[t | 1/1/70 ?? |
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| 01:11.29 | abrotman | k[t: internally, unix keeps track as 'number of seconds since Jan 1, 1970' .. so it's possible that exif data sees no date, and just uses 0 .. giving you a useless vlaue .. but i don't use it, so that's just conjecture |
| 01:11.30 | k[t | s/reall/really*/ |
| 01:11.39 | Vorbote | k[t: Quixotical. |
| 01:11.52 | Arrowmaster | abrotman: 1901-12-13 20:46:52 (UTC) |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | ah no |
| 01:12.13 | k[t | but very wise in fact; so in reality, time just doesn't exist... |
| 01:12.22 | k[t | that is a question.. |
| 01:13.26 | ziroux | /usr/bin/time |
| 01:13.47 | k[t | is not $date |
| 01:13.56 | ziroux | it might just be something different than u ecpect :> |
| 01:14.16 | ziroux | oh, /bin/date |
| 01:14.26 | NiLon | k[t indeed, time doesn't exists in the real world, it's just humans creation |
| 01:14.45 | k[t | yea... like $"time apt-get update" |
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| 01:15.18 | k[t | bad examples: "$ time ls /tmp" |
| 01:15.29 | k[t | s/examples/example/ |
| 01:16.13 | k[t | i'd like to see that in motion: sys => user => real .. time |
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| 01:20.26 | ziroux | there also is no width and height :> |
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| 01:50.15 | anisfarhana | Hello again :) |
| 01:50.43 | anisfarhana | I know my question is off-topic , somebody can help / advise me on squid ? already try #squid , so far no answer. |
| 01:52.04 | crazygir | hiya, is it possible to find out when a package was installed? |
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| 01:54.39 | cheater99 | anisfarhana: ? |
| 01:54.44 | cheater99 | anisfarhana: what do you need? |
| 01:55.03 | anisfarhana | cheater99: acl vp src 10.5.6.0/24 = open to all website and it works |
| 01:55.14 | anisfarhana | cheater99: acl vp src 10.5.7.40/32 = this one , didn't work. |
| 01:55.24 | anisfarhana | cheater99: All the website filtering off for acl vp |
| 01:55.56 | cheater99 | i haven't understood that last one |
| 01:56.06 | swoody | so I hear Debian 6.0 is going to be released with a 100% *free* kernel ( http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 ) |
| 01:56.07 | cheater99 | " All the website filtering off for acl vp " say what? |
| 01:56.19 | swoody | Does anyone know if this is already in the weekly-builds for Squeeze? |
| 01:56.36 | anisfarhana | cheater99: i mean the VP ACL i define there should be open to all website. |
| 01:57.04 | sweetandy | swoody, Squeeze is in uber deep freeze, I doubt they're going to make so vast a kernel change at the last minute. |
| 01:57.12 | cheater99 | that line will only match the ip 10.5.7.40. |
| 01:57.22 | cheater99 | this means you have to request from that ip, otherwise the line will not match. |
| 01:58.21 | anisfarhana | cheater99: Yes i'm using that IP at the moment , but i still can't access to the blocked website. |
| 01:58.55 | cheater99 | you notice that in the first one you're using .6 and in the second .7 right? |
| 01:58.59 | cheater99 | different subnet |
| 01:59.21 | anisfarhana | cheater99: running on VLAN here. |
| 01:59.23 | swoody | sweetandy: that's true, but when would they implement it before release? It would have to get tested at least to a certain point if that announcement is to hold true :/ |
| 01:59.41 | cheater99 | well see if 10.5.7.0/24 works |
| 01:59.46 | crazygir | sweetandy: "We are proud to announce that, to the best of our knowledge, all issues are solved and that we will be able to deliver a Linux kernel which is completely Free, according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), with Debian Squeeze. We hereby reaffirm Free Software as one of our priorities, as documented in the Debian Social Contract." |
| 02:00.02 | anisfarhana | cheater99: that will open to all the co-worker. |
| 02:00.17 | swoody | oh hey, very nice crazygir :) |
| 02:00.19 | cheater99 | why were you testing with .6 then? |
| 02:00.22 | cheater99 | if you're in .7? |
| 02:00.50 | anisfarhana | cheater99: I'm not testing with .6 |
| 02:00.59 | cheater99 | <anisfarhana> cheater99: acl vp src 10.5.6.0/24 = open to all website and it works |
| 02:01.08 | sweetandy | crazygir, that's fantastic, just what I had read. |
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| 02:01.26 | cheater99 | the third number in that ip is 6 |
| 02:01.44 | anisfarhana | cheater99: for the VLAN 10.5.6.0/24 , all people can access to the blocked website. |
| 02:01.51 | ion__ | how do I install lazarus under debian .... |
| 02:02.15 | cheater99 | anisfarhana: ok. try if 10.5.7.0/24 will work at all. |
| 02:02.18 | ion__ | on debian I mean... |
| 02:02.22 | anisfarhana | cheater99: And now i want only single IP to be excluded which is 10.5.7.40 , which is under VLAN 10.5.7.0/24 |
| 02:02.25 | ion__ | or fpc |
| 02:02.32 | anisfarhana | cheater99: k hold on |
| 02:02.34 | crazygir | s it possible to find out when a package was installed? |
| 02:02.39 | crazygir | *is |
| 02:02.51 | cheater99 | so this ip, 10.5.7.40, should not be able to access the proxy? |
| 02:03.39 | anisfarhana | cheater99: 10.5.7.40 should be able to access to the blocked website , same like 10.5.6.0/24 |
| 02:03.47 | cheater99 | ok |
| 02:04.37 | anisfarhana | cheater99: 10.5.7.0/24 didn't work. |
| 02:04.52 | cheater99 | then you've got a problem of some other kind |
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| 02:05.58 | anisfarhana | oh wait |
| 02:06.07 | anisfarhana | Maybe i should restart the squid instead of reload it ? |
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| 02:06.25 | cheater99 | yes, service squid restart or something |
| 02:06.36 | cheater99 | how do you "reload" it? |
| 02:06.48 | ion__ | sorry how do I install Lazarus on debian, please ..... |
| 02:06.49 | anisfarhana | cheater99: /etc/init.d/squid reload |
| 02:06.55 | ziroux | crazygir: you could for example peek into logs /var/log/apt/* |
| 02:06.56 | cheater99 | do restart |
| 02:07.02 | anisfarhana | cheater99: restarting. |
| 02:07.13 | cheater99 | sometimes squid doesn't want to start up for some time |
| 02:07.34 | cheater99 | then just do while true; do service squid start; sleep 1; done |
| 02:07.44 | cheater99 | and ^C when you see it's started |
| 02:07.48 | anisfarhana | cheater99: still same. |
| 02:08.01 | cheater99 | what does your complete config look like? |
| 02:08.19 | anisfarhana | Can i pm you ? |
| 02:08.53 | cheater99 | ok |
| 02:09.01 | anisfarhana | thanks. |
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| 02:11.24 | crazygir | ziroux: thanks! |
| 02:11.47 | ziroux | crazygir: n/p :) |
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| 02:12.10 | ziroux | crazygir: there should be also /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 02:14.45 | crazygir | insteresting |
| 02:14.50 | crazygir | cool beans |
| 02:15.27 | crazygir | also, and maybe I'm just lazy, but it seems like there is quite a bit of work in creating your own deb package? |
| 02:15.57 | crazygir | do you have to cgo through all the fake root busines? |
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| 02:17.19 | crazygir | I am only really trying to simplify releasing a package to a number of systems, nginx, my package would only be a version bump |
| 02:17.42 | crazygir | would it be safe just to modify the existing .deb? |
| 02:17.47 | crazygir | or is that nont possible? |
| 02:18.32 | crazygir | in BSD ports, I've just modified the URL used to grab the package |
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| 02:24.46 | Tussock | Need some help on Debian Installation CD/DVDs. |
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| 02:25.32 | Tussock | Why are there so many CDs to install? E.g., "debian-507-amd64-CD-19.iso" ... ? There are 30 in total, so do I install all? |
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| 02:26.56 | Dis0 | no |
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| 02:27.09 | Dis0 | just the first one |
| 02:27.26 | ceduardo | Tussock, you can install only the first one Cd... |
| 02:27.41 | Tussock | Oh, the same goes for DVD? |
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| 02:28.06 | Dis0 | i think the 30 cds contains most of the debian packages for people with no internet connection, not sure |
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| 02:28.21 | ajikeshi | Dis0, 27 i recall |
| 02:28.32 | Tussock | Ok, so just the first one. Thanks! :P |
| 02:28.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tussock: you'll love squeeze, its cleared 50 cds of binarys :p |
| 02:28.46 | ajikeshi | Tussock, 1-3 cover almost anything you ll need |
| 02:29.07 | Tussock | ajikeshi: 1-3 of CD or DVD? |
| 02:29.13 | ajikeshi | Tuomas, for a working "base" system just cd1 |
| 02:29.16 | ajikeshi | CD |
| 02:29.16 | Dis0 | 1 cd |
| 02:29.24 | Tussock | ajikeshi: Do you advice that I burn 1 - 3 then? |
| 02:29.39 | ajikeshi | Tussock, when you dont have inet access.. it would be better |
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| 02:30.05 | Tussock | ajikeshi: Does WiFi comes out-of-the-bow for the latest version? |
| 02:30.11 | ajikeshi | Tussock, depends.. |
| 02:30.16 | ajikeshi | which chipset do you use? |
| 02:30.28 | Dis0 | don't you have access to an ethernet connection? |
| 02:30.32 | Tussock | 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo |
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| 02:30.44 | dvs | Wifi chipset |
| 02:30.44 | Tussock | Dis0: I use wireless at home. |
| 02:30.49 | ajikeshi | for most chipsets you ll need propietary firmware which isnt included into the debian cd |
| 02:30.50 | ajikeshi | Tussock, no.. wireless chipset |
| 02:30.55 | Tussock | Oh, :P |
| 02:30.58 | ajikeshi | xD |
| 02:31.53 | ajikeshi | Dis0, not sure... but wasnt there some issue regarding wifi and the debian installer? |
| 02:32.10 | Tussock | Well, some Broadcom stuff, I'm using a macbook, so it should be Airport, right? |
| 02:32.20 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 02:32.20 | ajikeshi | dunno |
| 02:32.26 | Dis0 | well i know my wifi card doenst work out of the box |
| 02:32.29 | ajikeshi | never ever will use apple stuff |
| 02:32.34 | ajikeshi | Dis0, same |
| 02:32.36 | Tussock | ajikeshi: ? |
| 02:32.50 | ajikeshi | Tussock, just look it up on the internet which firmware deb you ll need |
| 02:33.06 | Tussock | Ok, cool. Thanks a lot! :) |
| 02:33.08 | ajikeshi | and |
| 02:33.29 | Tussock | I wanted to dual-boot Mac OS X with Debian ... not so sure now. |
| 02:33.36 | Dis0 | do it :) |
| 02:33.42 | ajikeshi | then put that deb on a usb stick or the harddrive (partition you wont format) and install it in the freshly installed debian system |
| 02:33.59 | ajikeshi | Tussock, sounds reasonable |
| 02:34.22 | Tussock | ajikeshi: I'll just give it a shot, if it fails, then I'll just erase :P |
| 02:34.30 | ajikeshi | Tussock, hehe yeah :D |
| 02:34.39 | ajikeshi | but before that try fiddling around :D |
| 02:34.43 | Tussock | Yeah, thanks again. |
| 02:34.47 | ajikeshi | when ure sure you ll reinstall |
| 02:34.52 | ajikeshi | you ll learn a lot this way |
| 02:35.10 | Tussock | I'm planning to use Debian for security stuff. |
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| 02:35.26 | Tussock | Like Ettercap and Wireshark, cause they don't really work nicely on Mac. |
| 02:35.36 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 02:35.46 | ajikeshi | i think backtrack would be better for that |
| 02:36.02 | Dis0 | well it should work fine on Debian |
| 02:36.05 | ajikeshi | but give it a shot :D |
| 02:36.07 | Tussock | Never heard of Backtrack |
| 02:36.18 | ajikeshi | Tussock, security livecd |
| 02:36.24 | Tussock | Oh just Googled, seems cool. |
| 02:36.31 | Dis0 | backtrack is a distribution aimed at network security |
| 02:36.38 | Tussock | I'll check it out. |
| 02:36.42 | Tussock | Thanks! |
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| 02:36.50 | ajikeshi | glad to help |
| 02:37.22 | Tussock | Yeh, it's great to have such people around. I was clueless about everything :P |
| 02:37.32 | ajikeshi | Dis0, are you experienced with debugging dbus/gconf? |
| 02:37.45 | Dis0 | nope ajikeshi , sorry |
| 02:37.52 | ajikeshi | Tussock, hehe.. thats y you bought a mac? *scnr* ;) |
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| 02:38.11 | ajikeshi | Dis0, mhh... i have weird issues after upgrading fro lenny to squeeze :D |
| 02:38.36 | ajikeshi | but nothing stopping me from using the system... |
| 02:38.41 | Dis0 | well you can always ask but I dont think i can help haha |
| 02:38.47 | Tussock | ajikeshi: Lol, no, I was just interested in finding out how Macs work... I do like OS X, great OS, but I think Linux beats all. |
| 02:38.51 | ajikeshi | just an odd feeling having error messages most time |
| 02:39.24 | ajikeshi | Dis0, yeah.. the problem is... i googled... but havent found _anything_ that could be somehow related to that :D |
| 02:39.34 | ajikeshi | so it would be more like... where to start looking |
| 02:39.47 | Dis0 | ajikeshi, yeah i know the feeling :) |
| 02:39.53 | ajikeshi | Dis0, hehe :D |
| 02:39.58 | Dis0 | ask on the forum |
| 02:40.06 | ajikeshi | hehe |
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| 02:40.18 | ajikeshi | when i roughly know whats broken i wil :D |
| 02:40.27 | ajikeshi | first i try to get it done by myself :D |
| 02:40.29 | Tussock | ajikeshi, Dis0 : Gtg, thanks a lot ... ! |
| 02:40.33 | Dis0 | right now im trying to get compositing to work on openbox but i think it s hopeless |
| 02:40.36 | ajikeshi | Tussock, good luck |
| 02:40.47 | Dis0 | Bye Tussock |
| 02:40.52 | Tussock | Bye, and thanks again! |
| 02:41.00 | ajikeshi | Dis0, openbox? |
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| 02:41.21 | Dis0 | yeah it's a windows manager |
| 02:41.50 | Dis0 | i need a lightweight system on my EeePc :) |
| 02:42.08 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 02:42.12 | ajikeshi | windowmaker is my fav :D |
| 02:42.18 | Dis0 | never tried it |
| 02:42.32 | Dis0 | but i love openbox ^^ |
| 02:42.53 | ajikeshi | hehe |
| 02:43.03 | ajikeshi | it has a somehow ancient feeling about it :D |
| 02:43.17 | Dis0 | but i want my terminal to have real transparency and its not working right :p |
| 02:43.22 | ajikeshi | eeew |
| 02:43.33 | Dis0 | yeah but you can get really nice looking desktop with it |
| 02:43.33 | ajikeshi | i prefer my term black/green :D |
| 02:43.44 | Dis0 | well i have it black/green too haha |
| 02:43.45 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 02:43.57 | ajikeshi | nice desktop is a desktop without any distractions |
| 02:44.02 | Dis0 | but i like to look at the webpages behind my term |
| 02:44.13 | ajikeshi | get a 2nd screen xD |
| 02:44.19 | Dis0 | i have haha :p |
| 02:44.31 | Dis0 | but I still want to do it ^^ |
| 02:44.32 | ajikeshi | additional projector for your wall :D |
| 02:44.42 | Dis0 | :p |
| 02:44.42 | ajikeshi | ah |
| 02:44.52 | ajikeshi | did you try enlightenment? |
| 02:44.54 | Dis0 | it should be working |
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| 02:45.03 | Dis0 | once, a while back |
| 02:45.07 | Dis0 | with elive i think |
| 02:45.10 | ajikeshi | me too |
| 02:45.11 | Dis0 | didnt like it lol |
| 02:45.18 | Dis0 | too "glossy" |
| 02:45.24 | ajikeshi | but i think when combining with eterm it worked somehow |
| 02:45.27 | Dis0 | too much eye-candy |
| 02:45.30 | ajikeshi | lol :) |
| 02:46.31 | Dis0 | i dont want anything on my desktop :) just a taskbar, a tray and a clock then my open windows |
| 02:47.06 | Dis0 | openbox + tint2 is perfect for me ^^ |
| 02:47.36 | Dis0 | and most people get xcompmgr to work fine but not me i must be missing something :p |
| 02:48.03 | ajikeshi | possibly |
| 02:48.11 | ajikeshi | i tried beryl a long time ago |
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| 02:48.25 | ajikeshi | but.. well it was just eyecandy... adding no real functionality |
| 02:48.26 | Dis0 | i installed a minimal debian sid then the minimal packages to get a x session working :p |
| 02:48.33 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 02:48.41 | Dis0 | i tried compiz not too long ago |
| 02:48.55 | ajikeshi | yeah.. theyre related somehow |
| 02:49.00 | Dis0 | yeah |
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| 02:49.18 | Dis0 | i liked some stuff, like the exposé when you put your mouse in the corner |
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| 02:49.45 | ajikeshi | mhhyes |
| 02:49.50 | ajikeshi | those were not bad |
| 02:49.54 | ajikeshi | still alt+tab is faster |
| 02:49.57 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 02:50.13 | Dis0 | but sometimes i like to use my comp with my mouse only |
| 02:50.45 | Dis0 | and thats useful for that ^^ |
| 02:51.10 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 02:51.22 | ajikeshi | even then i usually have one hand on the keyboard :D |
| 02:51.30 | Dis0 | but i dont miss it, my computer is too slow for that :p |
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| 02:53.14 | ajikeshi | hrr hrr hrr :D |
| 02:53.26 | ajikeshi | well.. a month ago my gfx card "blew up" :D |
| 02:53.27 | Dis0 | im looking at windowmaker s screenshot right now it looks really old lol |
| 02:53.43 | ajikeshi | now i have a cheap gf4 in it :D |
| 02:54.01 | ajikeshi | Dis0, it is... but still nicely working |
| 02:54.11 | ajikeshi | Dis0, take a look at cde |
| 02:54.15 | Dis0 | yeah i bet |
| 02:54.22 | Dis0 | cde? |
| 02:54.29 | ajikeshi | its even worse... but still the default in HP-UX |
| 02:54.45 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 02:54.53 | ajikeshi | common desktop environment |
| 02:56.00 | Dis0 | haha yeah |
| 02:56.06 | Dis0 | what s hp-ux? |
| 02:56.18 | ajikeshi | the unix made by hewlett packard |
| 02:56.31 | Dis0 | well is it used? |
| 02:56.35 | ajikeshi | yes :D |
| 02:56.49 | ajikeshi | still around.. and being used :D |
| 02:56.55 | Dis0 | ^^ |
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| 02:58.51 | Dis0 | oh btw, do you know how i can have the auto-completion when i use sudo? |
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| 02:59.16 | ajikeshi | mhhh dunno |
| 02:59.23 | ajikeshi | i dont use sudo |
| 02:59.26 | Chelsea | Hi all, How do I use find to filter (and maybe sort) by symlink? |
| 03:00.27 | stew | Chelsea: "-type l" filters by symlink. i don't know what it means to sort by symlink |
| 03:00.58 | Dis0 | i was wondering what it means too |
| 03:01.29 | ajikeshi | maybe sorty by the target of the symlink |
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| 03:09.05 | Chelsea | stew, I think this is indeed what I was looking for, thanks. |
| 03:10.33 | ajikeshi | aaah |
| 03:10.36 | ajikeshi | its good to be back on debian ;) |
| 03:11.00 | ajikeshi | after one month fedora i d be glad to use woody :D |
| 03:11.23 | Dis0 | damn i just noticed my wifi is not working :/ |
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| 03:11.38 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 03:11.53 | Dis0 | im on ethernet right now |
| 03:12.04 | ajikeshi | ah okay :D |
| 03:12.13 | Dis0 | ifconfig doesnt recognise my wireless card anymore :/ |
| 03:12.17 | Dis0 | dont know why |
| 03:12.23 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 03:12.23 | Dis0 | it used to |
| 03:12.27 | ajikeshi | module not loaded? |
| 03:12.29 | Dis0 | that sucks |
| 03:12.39 | ajikeshi | no firmware? |
| 03:12.42 | ajikeshi | did it work b4? |
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| 03:13.00 | Dis0 | yeah it worked, at least i could scan |
| 03:13.07 | Dis0 | but i was always on ethernet |
| 03:13.19 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 03:13.21 | Dis0 | and couldnt get an ip on my network with wifi |
| 03:13.28 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 03:13.34 | Dis0 | but now i dont even see my wlan0 anymore :/ |
| 03:13.40 | ajikeshi | maybe some weird firmware? |
| 03:13.55 | Dis0 | well firmware-ralink is installed |
| 03:14.08 | Dis0 | maybe if i reinstall ... |
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| 03:15.28 | ajikeshi | Dis0, check if the module is running |
| 03:15.43 | ajikeshi | on fedora i had issues with the rt73usb module dieing :D |
| 03:15.57 | Dis0 | well i dont know which module it is :s |
| 03:16.25 | ajikeshi | just past the complete lsmod output somewhere D: |
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| 03:16.54 | ajikeshi | and lspci/lsusb .... well which one ur wifi card is using |
| 03:16.55 | Dis0 | damn i have lots of module haha |
| 03:17.08 | ajikeshi | sure :D |
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| 03:18.34 | Dis0 | http://pastebin.com/9j6VEpyw |
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| 03:19.58 | ajikeshi | the module doesnt seem loaded |
| 03:20.31 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 03:21.48 | stew | Dis0: how is your wireless card connected? |
| 03:21.56 | ajikeshi | modprobe r8192s_usb |
| 03:21.59 | ajikeshi | try that |
| 03:22.06 | Dis0 | well it s pci |
| 03:22.06 | ajikeshi | stew, usb |
| 03:22.09 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 03:22.10 | Dis0 | im on a eeepc |
| 03:22.10 | ajikeshi | oh |
| 03:22.34 | stew | Dis0: its not listed in lspci, so your kernel doesn't know it exists |
| 03:22.39 | ajikeshi | modprobe ath9k |
| 03:22.45 | ajikeshi | ^^ that one should be correct |
| 03:23.06 | Dis0 | stew, yeah thats what i thought |
| 03:23.12 | ajikeshi | oh |
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| 03:23.17 | ajikeshi | crap stew... youre right |
| 03:23.21 | Dis0 | it s a ralink |
| 03:23.29 | Dis0 | it use to work wierd |
| 03:23.36 | ajikeshi | mhh |
| 03:23.39 | ajikeshi | Dis0, which one? |
| 03:23.54 | Dis0 | rt2860 i think |
| 03:24.03 | ajikeshi | and yre you sure that its connected via pci? |
| 03:24.26 | ajikeshi | because the internal stuff in an eepc might beconnected via usb |
| 03:24.29 | Dis0 | no, but i m not gonna open my eeepc :p |
| 03:24.32 | ajikeshi | nah |
| 03:24.39 | ajikeshi | just look at lsusb |
| 03:24.39 | stew | Dis0: check lsusb |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | if it has a hardware switch, make sure it's on |
| 03:25.25 | abrotman | the one for my netbook has a slide swithc, but if i pass certain kernel parms, it never comes on at all |
| 03:25.29 | ajikeshi | abrotman, if i remember correctly eeepc has a softwareswitch |
| 03:25.32 | Dis0 | well i have a keyboard switch with fn + F2 but its not working |
| 03:26.00 | Dis0 | nothing on lsusb |
| 03:26.38 | ajikeshi | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 03:26.39 | stew | Dis0: you might ask #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
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| 03:27.27 | abrotman | maybe it blowed up?! |
| 03:27.33 | Dis0 | dont think so haha |
| 03:27.47 | ajikeshi | Dis0, "have you tried turning it off and on again?" ;) |
| 03:28.53 | Dis0 | well the switch doesnt work i tried but the fn key dont work |
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| 03:29.53 | ajikeshi | because its not configured :D |
| 03:29.57 | Dis0 | yeah :p |
| 03:30.05 | ajikeshi | did u install the additional eeepc acpi tuff? |
| 03:30.24 | Dis0 | yeah eeepc-acpi-script |
| 03:30.34 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 03:30.37 | ajikeshi | weird then |
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| 03:32.56 | wahnfrieden | hi |
| 03:33.23 | wahnfrieden | the debian "unzip" isn't working with archived files that have unicode filenames |
| 03:33.37 | wahnfrieden | it just outputs files with ???'s in their name |
| 03:33.54 | wahnfrieden | This is the version I have: UnZip 5.52 of 28 February 2005, by Debian. Original by Info-ZIP. |
| 03:34.10 | wahnfrieden | is there something else I can use, or some way I can get unzip to cooperate? |
| 03:34.52 | abrotman | you oculd try the 7zip app to see if it behaves differently |
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| 03:37.22 | CyL | Night folks... is there a way to install debian to a luks ecrypted partition which uses aes-xts-plain |
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| 03:38.57 | wahnfrieden | it's not installed and I don't have permission :/ |
| 03:39.54 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 03:40.04 | ajikeshi | just use a statically linked bin |
| 03:42.01 | dondelelcaro | wahnfrieden: the 6.0 version of unzip supports unicode. Otherwise, fix the resultant filenames using iconv and mv or similar.... |
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| 03:43.47 | abrotman | judd: versions unzip |
| 03:43.49 | judd | Package unzip on i386 -- etch: 5.52-9etch1; etch-security: 5.52-9etch1; lenny: 5.52-12; sid: 6.0-4; squeeze: 6.0-4 |
| 03:45.32 | DasEi | wahnfrieden: you can't install as no root-pw ? |
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| 03:48.09 | wahnfrieden | ah I just DLed the source and compiled it, thanks |
| 03:48.15 | wahnfrieden | 7za works where unzip fails :) |
| 03:48.35 | wahnfrieden | is there a way to use apt without root? I guess not |
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| 03:50.31 | linuxman410 | what is the difference between debian stable and debian testing |
| 03:51.13 | ajikeshi | stability and version number |
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| 03:51.50 | linuxman410 | so testing is not that stable |
| 03:51.53 | ajikeshi | in general packages from stable are quite old but very stable... and testing is newer but you might have some issues which you have to solve yourself |
| 03:52.14 | linuxman410 | ok understand |
| 03:52.33 | ajikeshi | still... the current testing is almost stable |
| 03:52.59 | linuxman410 | is it based on squeeze |
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| 03:54.21 | Dis0 | well i rebooted and it worked but now it disappeared again :/ |
| 03:54.55 | Dis0 | at least it s listed in lspci now |
| 03:55.16 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 03:55.29 | Dis0 | i get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Opération non permise when i try to do ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:55.43 | ajikeshi | just look for a guide for you eeepc.. should be pretty well documented |
| 03:55.50 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 03:56.01 | CyL | How do I make the debian installer capable of aes-xts-plain? |
| 03:56.15 | Dis0 | i think it s cause of wicd cause it siappeared from ifconfig when i tried to connect to a wifi network with it |
| 03:56.39 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 03:56.40 | linuxman410 | is the testing version squeeze |
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| 03:56.51 | ajikeshi | linuxman410, yes |
| 03:57.00 | linuxman410 | thanks |
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| 04:10.28 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, which partition type is the best for storing data; the reason i'm asking this is because i'm currently using ext3 to store to data and i accidentally deleted some files and i had tried to retrieve it but i wasn't successful. i used 'photorec' to retrieve some video files i had lost but once i recovered them, the whole video were unable to be played |
| 04:11.17 | ajikeshi | paranoidphreak, try having a backup :D |
| 04:12.18 | paranoidphreak | ajikeshi: true........should've done that:( |
| 04:12.22 | stew | paranoidphreak: you mean filesystem, not partition type, btw |
| 04:13.00 | paranoidphreak | stew: yeah.....filesystem; thanks for clarifying that |
| 04:13.34 | stew | paranoidphreak: ext3 is the one we recommend for the most part |
| 04:14.36 | stew | paranoidphreak: ext2 makes it more likely that you can undelete, but you lose the benefits of having a journal |
| 04:15.11 | ajikeshi | and with ext4 you can loose even bugger files xD |
| 04:15.19 | ajikeshi | s/bug/big |
| 04:16.02 | paranoidphreak | stew: then there should be a way to retrieve the data unharmed; i had stopped using the filesystem once i had found out what had happened |
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| 04:17.57 | paranoidphreak | stew: i dont use the journal; so, if i use ext2 filesystem, can i retrieve the files with their original names? |
| 04:18.30 | stew | paranoidphreak: you use the journal anytime the system crashes or loses power |
| 04:20.55 | paranoidphreak | stew: oh k.....i'm not really a very good expert in computers; i'm a intermediatry; the only reason i use linux is for security purposes because my name says it all, lol |
| 04:21.42 | paranoidphreak | i'm focusing my career in finance and not computers |
| 04:21.52 | DasEi | paranoidphreak: you're crossposting, really stay with ext3/4 for best recovery and else get the habit to mv/rsync to a deleted" folder, which you empty only when sure |
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| 04:22.59 | DasEi | paranoidphreak: there are forensic possibs, but that's not the intend of rm, and finance.. wipe-- |
| 04:24.02 | paranoidphreak | DasEi: i know i'm crossposting, i thought maybe i might be able to get other ppls opinion because you heard the saying that two heads are better than one |
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| 04:25.45 | DasEi | paranoidphreak: that's fine, but either here or over in ubu other's read it, too at 1300 or 800 you get least two heads :) |
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| 04:32.47 | paranoidphreak | DasEi: lol....true |
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| 04:34.50 | EpicFialGuy | when is debian squeeze coming out? |
| 04:35.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell EpicFialGuy about wwsr |
| 04:35.45 | stew | EpicFialGuy: when it has fewer release critical bugs, see /msg dpkg wir ; /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 04:36.28 | EpicFialGuy | [cool] thanks |
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| 04:37.28 | jsvana | Alright, so I have an older (2005ish) Debian-based livecd that, when booted, throws "mount: Mounting /dev/sda2 on /cdrom failed: Invalid argument." Any ideas? |
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| 04:38.41 | stew | jsvana: ask in a channel specific for that livecd |
| 04:39.01 | stew | jsvana: we only support debian here, sorry |
| 04:39.03 | jsvana | It's a livecd from a book that doesn't have a channel |
| 04:39.12 | test1_ | hello, say me pls , what command i need to connect machine using vnc ? |
| 04:39.55 | test1_ | i have ip address and password |
| 04:40.03 | stew | jsvana: perhaps try a mailing list for that livecd or a webforum or perhaps try debian |
| 04:40.14 | stew | test1_: vncveiwer from xvncviewer is one |
| 04:40.32 | jsvana | Will do. |
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| 04:40.55 | test1_ | console# vncveiwer connect ip_addr password ? |
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| 04:43.22 | stew | test1_: if the xvncviewer package is installed, see "man vncviewer" |
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| 05:25.42 | entrex | if I wanted to allow an unprivileged user the ability to read /proc/net/dev (it's a link to /proc/self/net/dev) what would be the best way, if any? |
| 05:26.02 | entrex | I have already tried simply setting the read flag on both the link and the real file |
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| 05:35.37 | nsadmin | entrex what's the ls -l on that file show |
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| 05:36.29 | entrex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:41.01 | entrex | I figured that would fix it.. |
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| 05:48.22 | nsadmin | make sure you have perms on the dirs |
| 05:48.49 | nsadmin | and btw allowing everyone on the planet to write may or may not be a good thing :) |
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| 05:49.01 | entrex | yeah, I dunno why I did that |
| 05:49.05 | entrex | lame :P |
| 05:49.20 | entrex | I fixed it about 30 seconds after I pasted that |
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| 06:32.16 | jelly-home | entrex: an unprivileged user process has read access to that file by default, you wouldn't be using a custom kernel by any chance? |
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| 06:34.39 | ham5 | wondering why i cant boot the 2.6.36 kernel but i can run the 2.6.35 fine, my pc locked up doing a backup to usb drive i rebooted and had a problem starting back up to the 36 version i tried my older kernel build and im running fine now.... what changed |
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| 06:41.03 | snax | hi |
| 06:41.07 | snax | is squeeze stable? |
| 06:41.12 | ham5 | notyet |
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| 06:41.20 | ham5 | close |
| 06:41.35 | snax | thankx |
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| 07:03.47 | entrex | jelly-home, possibly. It's on a dedicated server that I did not personally install the OS on. |
| 07:04.24 | entrex | Linux localhost 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri Sep 17 16:06:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:29.56 | Jimmy89 | hey guys, I am having trouble with my fglrx drivers and xserver |
| 07:30.36 | kingsley | Jimmy89: Have you checked X's log file for specific errors? |
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| 07:34.05 | Jimmy89 | (EE) fglrx(0): Unable to initialize PCS database |
| 07:34.05 | Jimmy89 | (EE) fglrx(0): Missing PCS defaults file /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default |
| 07:34.05 | Jimmy89 | (EE) fglrx(0): PreInit failed |
| 07:34.22 | Jimmy89 | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 07:34.23 | Jimmy89 | Fatal server error: |
| 07:34.23 | Jimmy89 | no screens found |
| 07:34.57 | pom | I'm having problems with MD Raid locking my system when running it's checkarray-operation on lenny. |
| 07:35.07 | Dewi | !wwss |
| 07:35.14 | Dewi | !wwsr |
| 07:35.14 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 07:36.16 | babilen | Jimmy89: How did you install the driver? |
| 07:36.38 | Jimmy89 | though apt-get.. this time |
| 07:36.56 | Jimmy89 | but I don't think the installation worked |
| 07:38.29 | babilen | So it seems, there are a bunch of bug reports floating around. Did you follow the instructions given on http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ? |
| 07:39.04 | babilen | Is the radeon driver working? (i.e. xserver-xorg-video-radeon) |
| 07:39.54 | Jimmy89 | yes I followed those instructions in that link |
| 07:40.00 | Jimmy89 | and let me check the radeon driver |
| 07:40.21 | omid8bimo | hey i have a serius issue. my cpu on postgresql server reaches 100% everytime i run a select query. why this is happening? i have 4core cpu with 8GB RAM |
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| 07:41.19 | babilen | Jimmy89: Do you have the file "/etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default" ? (paste output of "ls -l /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default") |
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| 07:41.41 | Jimmy89 | no I do not have the file |
| 07:41.47 | Jimmy89 | the ati folder is empty |
| 07:41.53 | rozie | Jimmy89: what is your card? |
| 07:41.55 | Jimmy89 | which is why I don't think it installed :p |
| 07:41.57 | babilen | Jimmy89: And "fglrx-driver" is installed? |
| 07:41.57 | Jimmy89 | HD3200 |
| 07:41.59 | Jimmy89 | yes |
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| 07:43.22 | babilen | That is really strange, as that file is part of the fglrx-driver package. Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l fglrx-driver|tail -n 1" please? |
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| 07:43.58 | rozie | Jimmy89: try to reinstall package, observing errors |
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| 07:44.20 | rozie | Jimmy89: can you also show apt-cache policy fglrx-driver ? |
| 07:44.25 | babilen | btw, which version of Debian is this? |
| 07:44.39 | Jimmy89 | ii fglrx-driver 1:8-12-4 non-free AMD /ATI r5xx, r6xx, r7xx display driver |
| 07:45.13 | rozie | looks like Lenny |
| 07:45.31 | babilen | yeah |
| 07:46.04 | Jimmy89 | 5.0.7 |
| 07:46.16 | babilen | Could you reinstall that package as suggested by rozie and paste the output? |
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| 07:46.49 | Jimmy89 | ok how do I remove all the fglrx components? |
| 07:47.02 | rozie | Jimmy89: wajig purge fglrx-driver |
| 07:47.07 | babilen | Just run "aptitude reinstall fglrx-driver" |
| 07:47.16 | rozie | but simple apt-get install --reinstall fglrx-driver should be enough |
| 07:47.37 | rozie | ...or aptitude, as babilen suggests |
| 07:47.44 | babilen | rozie: You don't like sticking to one package manager? |
| 07:48.02 | Jimmy89 | i used the apt-get way just then |
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| 07:48.05 | rozie | babilen: I use one. ;) |
| 07:48.19 | rozie | babilen: wajig is just apt-get and dpkg frontend |
| 07:48.31 | babilen | I know |
| 07:48.31 | Guest38791 | tried the older initrd with my new kernel, no good, i get a bunhcha modules.deb errors, they are there. cant boot the new 37rc8 kern either :\ |
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| 07:48.41 | Jimmy89 | no errors from what I can see |
| 07:48.50 | babilen | Jimmy89: And is the file installed now? |
| 07:48.50 | rozie | Jimmy89: does file exists now? |
| 07:48.59 | babilen | hehe :) |
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| 07:49.09 | Jimmy89 | empty folder still |
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| 07:49.35 | rozie | well. you can copy if from .deb |
| 07:49.46 | babilen | Ok, one second please. /me is going to take a look at that package. |
| 07:49.53 | rozie | it might help. but that's ugly solution |
| 07:50.33 | amelin | hi, does someone could maybe point me to an howto set up an debian mirror on a _none_ debian system? |
| 07:50.46 | rozie | babilen: OK, you help here, I need to go to work. bb in an hour or so |
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| 07:51.22 | babilen | Jimmy89: That file is definitely in the package. I wonder why it is not installed. |
| 07:51.43 | babilen | rozie: Enjoy! (the free coffee at work at least) |
| 07:52.53 | babilen | Jimmy89: Do you have any of the other files (e.g. /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh) ? |
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| 07:55.08 | Jimmy89 | let me check |
| 07:55.20 | Jimmy89 | yes |
| 07:56.03 | babilen | ok, hmm. Try purging the package (aptitude purge fglrx-driver), check that /etc/ati is gone, an reinstall it (aptitude install fglrx-driver) |
| 07:56.42 | Jimmy89 | ok |
| 07:57.46 | Jimmy89 | the /etc/ati folder still remains |
| 07:58.31 | babilen | Jimmy89: Please remove that folder (rmdir /etc/ati) before installing the package |
| 07:58.46 | Jimmy89 | ok |
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| 07:58.56 | babilen | I guess that it has been created by an earlier (manual) install, did you do any? |
| 07:58.58 | babilen | !confmiss |
| 07:58.59 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 07:59.21 | babilen | You should then do: aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall fglrx-driver |
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| 07:59.40 | Jimmy89 | ok |
| 07:59.42 | babilen | (without the first aptitude, obviously) |
| 08:00.19 | babilen | Jimmy89: did you by chance install fglrx manually earlier? |
| 08:00.43 | Jimmy89 | ye |
| 08:00.44 | Jimmy89 | *yes |
| 08:00.59 | Jimmy89 | using the ati installer method, however i ran the uninstaller.sh file |
| 08:01.15 | babilen | yeah, seems as if it did not remove every trace of the install. |
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| 08:01.41 | Jimmy89 | well that makes sense |
| 08:01.43 | babilen | so, is the file there after performing these steps? |
| 08:02.03 | babilen | and the other in /etc/ati ? |
| 08:02.21 | Jimmy89 | just am in |
| 08:02.23 | Jimmy89 | *a min |
| 08:02.38 | babilen | sure, take your time |
| 08:03.53 | brbrbr | greets anyone and wish Happy New Year |
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| 08:07.39 | Jimmy89 | ok |
| 08:07.45 | Jimmy89 | files in the /etc/ati folder now |
| 08:07.51 | babilen | yay :) |
| 08:08.05 | Jimmy89 | should I set xorg back to fglrx driver and see if it works? |
| 08:08.20 | babilen | sure |
| 08:08.33 | babilen | that is the point of the whole excercise isn't it? |
| 08:08.44 | Jimmy89 | lol yes |
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| 08:13.44 | Jimmy89 | thanks mate, it seems to be working now :) |
| 08:13.50 | babilen | great! |
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| 08:19.50 | ebah | squeeze. |
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| 08:36.55 | everyman | A quick question. How to delete file name that looks like machine code e.g. "â^â?²_Ïl.7âx"? |
| 08:37.28 | everyman | rm -rf or with sudo would only yield Input/output error or read only file system. |
| 08:37.34 | everyman | any suggestion? |
| 08:38.31 | dc5ala | use wildcards |
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| 08:39.19 | everyman | wild card `sudo rm -rf * `also response Read-only file system or input output error |
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| 08:41.16 | dc5ala | you have multiple files there with strange names? |
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| 08:42.00 | everyman | yes |
| 08:42.12 | everyman | something like tΩyâ«Ã öOt.Qâÿ |
| 08:42.19 | everyman | ûâ?è63J?.*âZ |
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| 08:42.40 | everyman | I try using rm -i, but rm says no such file or directory |
| 08:42.43 | babilen | so, is it mounted ro? |
| 08:42.56 | everyman | Not very sure if it is because from the flash disc or not. |
| 08:42.58 | bixgomez | Hello, I am an absolute noob in need of quick help -- I have entered what I believe to be a nonexistent command, and now I can't get back to my shell -- what do i DO? |
| 08:43.01 | babilen | (that might have happened due to corruption) |
| 08:43.27 | everyman | How can I check it is mounted as r/o? |
| 08:43.32 | bixgomez | I entered "grep ServerName" -- and now I am stuck. How do I get back to the shell? |
| 08:43.33 | dc5ala | everyman: when i "touch" such files i can remove them all via simple rm * |
| 08:43.47 | babilen | bixgomez: "ctrl-c" if you want to stop that process |
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| 08:44.05 | bixgomez | babilen: THANK YOU! |
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| 08:44.21 | babilen | everyman: check the output of "mount" |
| 08:44.33 | babilen | bixgomez: no problem :) |
| 08:44.54 | babilen | bixgomez: It looks as if your HDD is going the way of the dodo |
| 08:45.05 | bixgomez | babilen: how so? |
| 08:45.08 | everyman | It is mounted as vfat r/w => /dev/sdd1 on /media/MIO type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush |
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| 08:46.15 | everyman | @dc5ala: it is a flash disc and files are created by another person. I am just interested to know if there is any chance if I can delete it. |
| 08:46.22 | bixgomez | babilen: I am confused. What do you mean? |
| 08:46.48 | sep | everyman, if the disk have io errors then i think not (safely) tried looking at dmesg ? or logs ? |
| 08:47.32 | bixgomez | babilen: what do you mean by "It looks as if your HDD is going the way of the dodo" |
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| 08:48.30 | everyman | @sep: you are right. there is file system error message in dmesg. => FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdd1) |
| 08:48.38 | everyman | invalid access to FAT (entry 0x84c46999) |
| 08:49.02 | sep | everyman, your backups are fresh ? |
| 08:49.07 | everyman | does that mean the hardware problem that can not be solved in software? |
| 08:49.14 | everyman | sep: |
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| 08:49.39 | everyman | @sep: It is another person's flash disc. So it is no harm to my hard disk |
| 08:49.47 | sep | everyman, could be filesystem corruption as well |
| 08:49.58 | dc5ala | everyman: maybe have a look if you can do someting with fsck.vfat |
| 08:49.59 | sep | but i would want to have good backups. |
| 08:50.08 | sep | then run fsck |
| 08:50.42 | everyman | Ok. I will do a backup and then run fsck.vfat. |
| 08:50.58 | everyman | Thanks for help. I will keep you updated to see what's going on. |
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| 08:51.11 | sep | everyman, i would have hoped you had backups allready :) |
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| 08:55.54 | babilen | bixgomez: I mean that symptons like this typically occur when your HDD is starting to break |
| 08:56.14 | bixgomez | babilen: symptoms like what? |
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| 08:56.49 | bixgomez | babilen: This is a new VPS on Linode... |
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| 08:57.38 | babilen | bixgomez: ah, ok. It must be something else then. Make backups and fsck it. |
| 08:57.52 | bixgomez | babilen: ok, thanks! |
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| 08:58.54 | bixgomez | babilen, one more strange phenomenon is, my "delete" key does not go "backwards" in this shell -- I can only forward-delete. Is that normal in debian? |
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| 08:59.07 | babilen | no |
| 08:59.22 | babilen | does "ctrl-h" work? |
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| 08:59.43 | bixgomez | yes |
| 08:59.58 | babilen | how do you connect? |
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| 09:00.12 | bixgomez | ssh |
| 09:00.14 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 09:00.46 | holycow | how do i order services to precede one another now that dependency based booting is in debian? |
| 09:00.59 | babilen | bixgomez: from another linux install? (e.g. gnome-terminal has a setting like "backspace key generates ASCII DEL") |
| 09:01.02 | holycow | update-rc.d doesn't work any longer and sysv-rc-conf doesn't offer ordering |
| 09:01.06 | holycow | how is this managed now? |
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| 09:01.13 | holycow | google has basically nothing on this topic |
| 09:01.15 | bixgomez | babilen: from a Mac |
| 09:01.27 | jiero | Anybody improve the package page? Im so confused so don't know how to file a bug/ask a question. |
| 09:01.38 | babilen | !tell holycow -about lsb tags |
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| 09:01.54 | holycow | danke |
| 09:02.02 | babilen | bidde |
| 09:02.24 | babilen | bixgomez: check your terminal's settings |
| 09:02.35 | bixgomez | I shall, thanks! |
| 09:02.47 | babilen | good luck :) |
| 09:02.56 | bixgomez | thank you! |
| 09:03.15 | babilen | Can't help with OSX, you might want to ask in an OSX specific channel |
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| 09:03.22 | babilen | jiero: What do you mean? |
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| 09:06.11 | jelly-home | entrex: what you're seeing is a feature of the grsecurity patchset. |
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| 09:06.35 | jiero | babilen: I don't understand how the package descrition page so messed up. |
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| 09:11.44 | babilen | jiero: Could you provide an example of a messed up page? |
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| 09:13.29 | jiero | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/sid/fcitx |
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| 09:16.19 | everyman | I try sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdd1. The program asked me whether to drop some illegal files, but after dropping, the illegal files still there. |
| 09:16.29 | babilen | jiero: What is wrong with that page? |
| 09:18.23 | jiero | babilen: for a newbie, I don't understand what the links behind them |
| 09:18.28 | jiero | less link, more epic |
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| 09:18.43 | bolt-work | everyman: what illegal files? also, why are you using vfat anyway? |
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| 09:20.53 | everyman | I am trying to delete files stored in flash disc with name like machine code â©y¼9â¦âéå.\026\'ü |
| 09:21.24 | babilen | jiero: You might want to open some of those links to learn about their meaning. Why do you care about that page? It is meant as a comprehensive resource on packages, including links to debtags, developer information, links to related packages and the possibility to download builts for various architectures |
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| 09:21.43 | nsadmin | everyman: are you sure your flash drive is not corrupted? |
| 09:21.45 | everyman | (sudo) rm -rf * does not work. So I try with fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdd1 to repair it. but seems not work too. |
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| 09:22.23 | everyman | @nsadmin: I think the file system in that disc is corrupted because I had seen FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdd1) |
| 09:22.32 | everyman | invalid access to FAT (entry 0x8f44f42b) |
| 09:23.00 | jiero | babilen: I wanted to report a bug related to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/spring , for its out-of-date and no use anymore |
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| 09:25.24 | dc5ala | everyman: you could also do the other way round and rescue the sane files and then try to format that beast |
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| 09:26.09 | babilen | jiero: Use "reportbug spring" |
| 09:27.21 | everyman | dc5ala: Thanks. Looks like that's the only way. At least the uncorrupted files can be saved. |
| 09:27.40 | everyman | Thank you for all your help. I appreciate it : ) |
| 09:28.54 | jiero | babilen: ty, |
| 09:29.01 | jiero | i knew that |
| 09:29.14 | jiero | still complaining what a mess |
| 09:29.30 | everyman | wait a min. It seems that I removed that beast directory! |
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| 09:31.07 | everyman | I think I try unmount flash dev first then exec `sudo dosfsck -a -w -v /dev/sdd1`. Then using e.g. gnome file manager to remove a dir that contains those machine code files. |
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| 09:34.15 | dc5ala | everyman: normal rm * did the job here for me, though i tried on a sane ext3 and not corrupted vfat ;) |
| 09:35.13 | dc5ala | probably first must repair the vfat before can do such operations |
| 09:36.14 | dc5ala | everyman: how big is the flash disc? |
| 09:37.18 | everyman | @dc5ala: I think you are right. that looks like the file system corrupted which generates some illegal file names with e.g. control code contains. Also (I notice) the naming in that pen drive contains path e.g. /path/to/10-12-11\ somename/dir/machines_code_files |
| 09:37.44 | everyman | so previously the deletion using fsck.vfat failed. |
| 09:38.04 | everyman | I did not notice the drive size, but maybe 9g |
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| 09:43.10 | bassliner | hello, i try to find the curses application for enabling/disabling services and i remember it's name as "sysvconfig" but can't find any package matching this. any help? |
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| 09:44.53 | dc5ala | bassliner: you mean a frontend for update-rc.d? |
| 09:45.56 | bassliner | dc5ala: i think there was something like an ncurses app i used years ago. |
| 09:46.17 | bassliner | dc5ala: sysv-rc-conf looks decent for me i think |
| 09:46.53 | dc5ala | everyman: btw. i would do a 1:1 copy of the flash drive if you have the space for it. Then work on the copy till you found something that works, just in case something goes real bad... |
| 09:47.28 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v got a BGP related question. I'm working for a small ISP and we run our server under Debian. I need to setup a BGP server for null routing advertisement. I see that there are several available software: quagga, mrt & xorp, which one would you advice me? thanks |
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| 09:55.09 | ethanol | good mornin' all. best wishes :) |
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| 09:56.31 | B0o-supermario | Hi guys |
| 09:56.48 | B0o-supermario | !tea |
| 09:56.48 | dpkg | from memory, tea is the offical drink of KDE Developers, or not as efficient as koffee, or what makes geiseri want to pea, or part of katie, sanity checks the database, or what biscuits were invented for |
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| 09:57.24 | B0o-supermario | !php |
| 09:57.24 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:59.22 | B0o-supermario | What is +l? |
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| 10:00.09 | CissWit | /help cmode |
| 10:00.36 | CissWit | Depending on your irc client, you might what to use "/quote" or "/raw" in order to see the output of the help command :) |
| 10:00.45 | CissWit | what = want. |
| 10:01.53 | babilen | !tell B0o-supermario about msg the bot |
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| 10:04.16 | B0o-supermario | !tell help |
| 10:05.07 | ethanol | http://img51.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=20110103093703.jpg this is bad, isn't it? :( |
| 10:06.43 | ali3n0 | ethanol, a kernel panic is just perfect for a good new year start :-p |
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| 10:07.03 | ethanol | well it keeps doing that, that's kind of a down side if you ask me :P |
| 10:07.21 | B0o-supermario | Not kernel panic, a total wipeout |
| 10:07.34 | ethanol | any idea what could be causing them? |
| 10:07.44 | ethanol | it was running fine for over a week or so. but now it's all craptastic. |
| 10:08.07 | ethanol | could it be because it's a 64 bit install (I'm not certain if the machine is actually 64 bit) ? |
| 10:11.06 | B0o-supermario | How to find my ram in irc? |
| 10:11.27 | babilen | B0o-supermario: What are you talking about? |
| 10:11.55 | ethanol | he lost his ram on the internet and assumes it is hiding @ irc? |
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| 10:13.01 | babilen | ethanol: It would have never worked if the machine would not support 64bits, it must be something else. Does this happen with a stable Debian kernel? |
| 10:13.18 | ethanol | it's lenny with backports |
| 10:13.25 | B0o-supermario | Yes i think so |
| 10:13.36 | ethanol | pretty much the same as production server, which is running smooth and without troubles. |
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| 10:14.07 | ethanol | kernel 2.6.32 |
| 10:14.17 | ethanol | from backports |
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| 10:29.55 | B0o-supermario | Jjjj |
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| 10:46.51 | captnchaos | hi |
| 10:47.07 | B0o-supermario | Hi |
| 10:47.15 | captnchaos | is it possible to build a .deb package with excisting binaries and libraries? |
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| 10:49.51 | raw_ | http://pastebin.com/Hs5FYZqh <-- any idea what this kernellog means and how to fix it? |
| 10:50.19 | raw_ | it happens when a lot network traffic occures |
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| 10:50.56 | omid8bimo | captnchaos: yes |
| 10:51.20 | omid8bimo | antenagora: althought its hard to manage them inside |
| 10:51.52 | B0o-supermario | And your name is palindrome |
| 10:52.00 | captnchaos | omid8bimo: how do you have any docs? |
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| 10:57.10 | vtts | raw_, might be a memory leak, check memory usage of running processes |
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| 11:00.59 | raw_ | vtts, the memory usage increased a but, but there is still much memory left that is used by buffers/cache |
| 11:01.20 | omid8bimo | captnchaos: no. follow the same docs from debian manual |
| 11:01.34 | omid8bimo | captnchaos: also there is a nice doc from ibm |
| 11:01.46 | raw_ | vtts, would a memory leak in userspace not cause other programs to crash? its just forcedeth/cifs that appeas in the kernel log, no other applications |
| 11:02.30 | babilen | !tell captnchaos -about nmg |
| 11:03.02 | babilen | captnchaos: Ah, you don't have the source code, just the binaries? |
| 11:03.12 | anisfarhana | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A CUSTOMPREROUTING -s 10.5.6.0/24 -j ACCEPT |
| 11:03.16 | captnchaos | yes |
| 11:03.28 | anisfarhana | punchs her keyboard |
| 11:03.31 | anisfarhana | bad keyboard. |
| 11:03.36 | babilen | captnchaos: What do you need a package for? |
| 11:04.16 | captnchaos | batch some libraries and binaries |
| 11:05.11 | babilen | Write a makefile with "install" target and use checkinstall -- /msg dpkg checkinstall |
| 11:06.14 | babilen | captnchaos: But why don't you just install it to /usr/local with (e.g.) "make install" -- What do you want the package for? |
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| 11:13.30 | Internat | awww that poor keyboard.. what did it ever do to you anisfarhana |
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| 11:14.14 | anisfarhana | Internat : having problem with paste and copy a while ago sorry. |
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| 11:18.09 | Vonor | hi. /etc/init.d/networking seems to be broken. it only ever works at boot time but if i restart it, or stop it and then start it again the interfaces will not be brought up, neither for static ips, nor for dhcp (dhclient won't be started) |
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| 11:25.31 | kandinski | How can I have /usr/bin/python be a link to python2.5 if this doesn't work? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313632/ running etch |
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| 11:29.34 | omid8bimo | kandinski: cd /usr/bin && rm python && ln -s python2.6 python |
| 11:30.15 | omid8bimo | kandinski: s/2.6/2.5/ |
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| 11:30.44 | kandinski | omid8bimo: ta |
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| 11:39.22 | blackdawn | i'm having some troubles here. i just lost the cd that i used to install the debian now i want to use synpatic to download something then it asks me for the cd. |
| 11:39.24 | blackdawn | what do i do ? |
| 11:39.53 | petemc | blackdawn: do you have internet access ? |
| 11:40.01 | blackdawn | petemc, yes. |
| 11:40.04 | antenagora | blackdawn, remove the cd from the source.list of your apt |
| 11:40.07 | kandinski | apparently neither etch nor etch-backports have any package whose name or description matched "python2.5-pkg-resources" |
| 11:40.19 | petemc | !tell blackdawn about sources.list |
| 11:40.19 | kandinski | is it safe to install the package from lenny? |
| 11:40.25 | blackdawn | antenagora, i removed it from the synaptic then i try to reload the list and it says to be broken. |
| 11:41.08 | antenagora | try from the command line, cd /etc/apt |
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| 11:41.46 | antenagora | check if sources.list it's ok |
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| 11:42.56 | blackdawn | antenagora, i checked the lines which corresponds to the cds are just commented. |
| 11:42.58 | antenagora | blackdawn, read this > http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 11:43.05 | blackdawn | when i try to run apt-get update it says to be locked or something alike. |
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| 11:44.16 | antenagora | blackdawn, maybe you have another package manager running in the background |
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| 11:44.44 | antenagora | blackdawn, something like synaptic |
| 11:45.15 | blackdawn | antenagora, i checked for it. |
| 11:45.19 | blackdawn | there is no other. |
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| 11:47.01 | antenagora | blackdawn, are you root ? apt-get requires to be root privileges to install software |
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| 11:47.13 | blackdawn | antenagora, yes. |
| 11:47.17 | blackdawn | i'm logged as root. |
| 11:47.29 | blackdawn | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 11:48.00 | abrotman | so something else has it locked? |
| 11:48.12 | antenagora | abrotman, it was my first guess |
| 11:48.44 | blackdawn | hum i guess i got it. |
| 11:49.17 | antenagora | AFK |
| 11:49.26 | blackdawn | antenagora, when i opened the synaptic at first it just asked me for root password then when i ran it again it didn't ask me for password it must be running on background by some way. |
| 11:49.34 | blackdawn | that refrains apt-get to update. |
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| 11:49.41 | blackdawn | or something like it must be occuring. |
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| 12:05.41 | jorge__ | hi, i'm trying to make a debian package out of a source package but i'm facing some trouble... I've used dh_make to generate the debian but that doesn't seem to be enough... when the building reachs the make install, it tries to install the files to /usr directly instead of the directory it's supossed to isntall to (debian/building-something?), some help? where should i start checking? |
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| 12:07.47 | kandinski | I am running an etch chroot under sarge |
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| 12:08.08 | abrotman | eep! |
| 12:08.20 | kandinski | will the chroot still run if I upgrade it to lenny? |
| 12:08.30 | kandinski | abrotman: I know, long story. |
| 12:08.45 | abrotman | kandinski: i would think this would be easy to test with another machine ? |
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| 12:09.08 | kandinski | I mean if I upgrade tehe *chroot* to lenny, not the host machine |
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| 12:12.54 | abrotman | oh, well, it should, that's the idea with Debian .. you can still test it |
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| 12:17.01 | Pumba | kandinski: upgrading single packages is not much of a hassle ... unless it pulls in a lot of dependencies to upgrade ;) |
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| 12:17.32 | abrotman | he's talking about upgrading a chroot environment |
| 12:17.44 | abrotman | kandinski: there were some udev changes, not sure how much that will affect you |
| 12:17.48 | Pumba | alright |
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| 12:30.43 | gintek | hi folks, i have 2 exim servers, how to change config to setp up mx2 ? i change dns, add mx record, any changes is exim config ? |
| 12:30.54 | gintek | s/is/in |
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| 12:38.38 | ronr | hi, anyone has a clue what to do when getent passwd shows the right user (correct group id), but getent passwd <username> shows the entry with an incorrect group id? |
| 12:39.43 | abrotman | ronr: what is the default group on the passwd? |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | in the? |
| 12:40.36 | ronr | passwd comes from ldap, I just tried switching compat and ldap in nsswitch and somehow that fixed it |
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| 12:40.52 | ronr | still clueless as to why it didn't before, but at least it works now |
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| 12:46.35 | dels | for some plugins, like firesheep i need ff 3.6 but in debian squeeze the current version is 3.5.x. i would like to have 3.6 installed. is there any debian way to do this? without downloading and installing the tar.gz? |
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| 12:49.53 | abrotman | dels: not currently, there may be after it is released (via backports.org) |
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| 12:50.09 | abrotman | dels: or you can try the 3.6.x package from another tree, but that may break stuff |
| 12:50.13 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 12:50.14 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-3~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-3; experimental: 3.6.13-1 |
| 12:50.15 | bolt | there's always the "simple sid backport" thingy, isn't it? |
| 12:50.24 | bolt | oh. it's in experimental |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | if sid had 3.6.x .. |
| 12:50.43 | bolt | !simple sid backport |
| 12:50.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:50.49 | bolt | dels: do that when it gets there :) |
| 12:51.16 | abrotman | he could try to build it from experimental |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | or just try the package |
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| 12:52.09 | dels | abrotman: k, thx |
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| 12:55.44 | labirinto | hi. how is the format user to connect to debian from windows? user format (domain@user) ? |
| 12:57.10 | PeteB | Hi. On a server with ext3, RAID1 + LVM, is it wise to leave a small amount of disk space, for some low level reason, when configuring those partitions / arrays / volumes? I've occasionally read that it is but don't know why. |
| 12:57.16 | f8l | labirinto: I don't know what are you talking about, but usually if you connect to a service (like SSH or FTP) it's user@domain. |
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| 12:57.50 | labirinto | i talk about samba |
| 12:58.03 | labirinto | to connect from windows localy |
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| 12:58.48 | labirinto | the famouse windows with keys ask me for user and pass |
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| 12:59.22 | dels | i get always the message ALERT - script tried to disable memory_limit by setting it to a negative value -1 bytes which is not allowed (attacker 'REMOTE_ADDR not set', file 'unknown') does anybody know which daemon could report this? and what could this be? |
| 12:59.45 | f8l | labirinto: You may want to ask such question on #samba. |
| 12:59.54 | labirinto | oh ok |
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| 13:00.57 | PeteB | On a server with ext3, RAID1 + LVM, is it wise to leave a small amount of disk space, for some low level reason, when configuring those partitions / arrays / volumes? I've occasionally read that it is but don't know why. |
| 13:00.58 | JPT | dels: you get messages and you don't know what daemon sent it? |
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| 13:01.47 | jiero | hi, I got question, I was using Ubuntu 10.10 and keep /home with Linux Mint Debian replacement, now I found some of executables in /home not working. Any hints? |
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| 13:02.16 | JPT | chmod +x |
| 13:02.39 | jiero | bash: ./clonk: No such file or directory |
| 13:02.40 | dels | JPT: thats why i ask... |
| 13:02.47 | JPT | mhh |
| 13:03.12 | JPT | dels: grep the logfiles for it... |
| 13:03.17 | stew | jiero: sorry, we only support debian here |
| 13:03.30 | JPT | once it is in a specific logfile, you know where it comes from... |
| 13:03.45 | stew | jiero: "/msg dpkg mint" mint has a support channel on another network |
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| 13:03.59 | jiero | stew: ty |
| 13:04.04 | JPT | otherwise, google has a database of people who already answered that question ;) |
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| 13:05.34 | dels | JPT: oh its suhosin. but that doesnt make sense to me. i dont have apache installed and neither php nor suhosin are running |
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| 13:05.51 | JPT | dels: php for cli? |
| 13:05.57 | dels | hm.. |
| 13:06.03 | JPT | some fancy cronjob... |
| 13:06.24 | JPT | maybe one of your ircbots ;) |
| 13:06.34 | jiero | oh, google reminded me, I need to get lib32 installed to run those |
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| 13:07.33 | jiero | wondering which the package named lib32 should I use? |
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| 13:08.46 | JPT | mhh...that's why i went away from 64bit linux... getting 32bit binaries to work is a pain when certain libraries are missing |
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| 13:11.06 | jiero | How much difference between Debian Testing and Linux Mint Debian? |
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| 13:12.27 | maligor | jiero, you should ask that from mint people, usually those distributions add extra packages or alternative packages over a base debian |
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| 13:13.58 | jiero | maligor: since nearly all package from Debian, I believe here is most suitable as support channel to me. |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | jiero: ask the mint people, you're offtopic in this channel |
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| 13:28.38 | guzu | hello all |
| 13:29.26 | guzu | what gui music player is recommended in gnome/squeeze? i tried using audacious but, as usual, it crashed. |
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| 13:30.37 | abrotman | eh .. doesn't crash on me .. but lots of people like rhythmbox, quod libet, and uhm exfalso ? |
| 13:30.39 | dkr | guzu: rhythmbox has always worked fine for me. i thought it was the default |
| 13:31.04 | guzu | dkr, thank you, i'll try it |
| 13:31.17 | guzu | anything with a more simpler interface? |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | named three ? |
| 13:32.10 | jiero | guzu: good choice up to you: there are mpd, moc, gnome-mplayer, banshee, exaile, DeaDBeeF, Songbird and Quod Libet |
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| 13:32.30 | abrotman | songbird is dead i believe .. MPD isn't a front end .. |
| 13:32.48 | jiero | everything have custom UI |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | sorry, songbird on linux is dead |
| 13:32.50 | guzu | jiero, ooh, there are a lot :) thank you! |
| 13:33.13 | dkr | gxmms2 |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | guzu: why does audacious crash ? |
| 13:33.49 | guzu | abrotman, i have no idea. it does also in fedora |
| 13:33.58 | dkr | trying to live up to its name and allocate more memory than it really needs |
| 13:34.10 | abrotman | guzu: perhaps a bad sound file? |
| 13:34.52 | guzu | abrotman, possibly, but in squeeze i have a new music collection, different from fedora's. also, if the file it's bad, why not just skip it? :) |
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| 13:35.11 | abrotman | guzu: is it random? perhaps a bad plugin ? |
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| 13:35.39 | guzu | abrotman, stiil, i _think_ that the same file will play just fine in mplayer, or even in audacious, only not now |
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| 13:35.50 | guzu | abrotman, yes, it's random |
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| 13:35.53 | kryl | hi |
| 13:35.58 | guzu | hi |
| 13:36.20 | dkr | guzu: you could try running audacious with debugging enable, or run it from console so you can see and stderr output if the gui error message is not meaningful |
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| 13:37.03 | guzu | dkr, i can try taht. how can i run it with debug enabled? |
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| 13:37.30 | guzu | (i'll have to kill it first :)) |
| 13:37.30 | dkr | guzu: I've never used it. ;) I'd start with man page or --help run option |
| 13:38.41 | guzu | i don't understand what this means: 3651 pts/2 SLl+ 4:53 |
| 13:38.50 | guzu | that's audacious dead |
| 13:38.56 | jiero | Who want a legal copy of the rabbit game Lugaru? |
| 13:38.56 | jiero | just grab one. http://www.wolfire.com/qfVuSrh3/free-lugaru |
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| 13:41.23 | guzu | previously, firefox crashed too. could be bad hardware ... |
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| 13:41.41 | abrotman | jiero: you've been sileneced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, please keep it on topic in the future. |
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| 13:45.02 | cryptic | does anyone know why df is reporting 3762008 1K blocks on /dev/vzfs (mounted on / ), with 2119956 used, but 0 available and 100% use? |
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| 13:46.30 | abrotman | cryptic: df -i ? |
| 13:47.09 | cryptic | abrotman: /dev/vzfs Inodes = 1000000 IUsed = 63057 IFree = 936943 |
| 13:47.14 | cryptic | IUse = 7% |
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| 13:47.56 | cryptic | I get errors writing files, though |
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| 13:50.28 | cryptic | this problem began sometime last night |
| 13:50.40 | cryptic | could it be a hardware issue? |
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| 13:53.17 | abrotman | cryptic: could be, or osmething not in sync |
| 13:53.25 | cryptic | ugh |
| 13:53.26 | sid3k | is there anyone using dnsmasq? |
| 13:53.27 | cryptic | it's a vps |
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| 13:55.15 | sid3k | I've a good internet connection but my dns servers suck very bad. |
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| 13:55.57 | sid3k | because of this, I started to use dnsmasq (couldn't see any alternative) constructing a cache mechanism |
| 13:56.00 | sid3k | for dns |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | bind does caching by default |
| 13:56.11 | sid3k | but now I've realized that it sucks too |
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| 13:56.30 | cryptic | hopefully i wasn't a dick for requesting emergency support |
| 13:56.57 | sid3k | abrotman: what is bind? |
| 13:57.02 | guzu | thank you all good bye |
| 13:57.07 | cryptic | i've been a customer for almost 7 years, and this is the second time requesting support for something -- the first time, I accidentally killed ssh |
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| 13:57.37 | sid3k | it seems that dnsmasq removes some records randomly. or some records may expire |
| 13:57.45 | abrotman | records should expire |
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| 13:58.13 | sid3k | but I couldn't access google one time in every single day |
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| 13:59.01 | sid3k | I need a complete robust dns solution for my personal computer |
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| 14:00.23 | abrotman | why not just use other DNS servers? |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | as i said, bind caches by default |
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| 14:06.39 | sid3k | abrotman: which dns server do you prefer? |
| 14:06.40 | Burps | Hi. I used nail on an old box to rujn stuff like this : do-so-stuff.sh |nail -s "result of my-stuff" foo@bar.com. Mail used to arrive plain-text. Now, lenny, nail has been replaced with heirloom-mailx, the result of my script is attached to the email : how can I change that ? |
| 14:07.33 | Netlynx | Is there an outage on debian.org? The site is not reachable for quite some time now? |
| 14:08.01 | babilen | Netlynx: works fine here |
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| 14:09.36 | babilen | sid3k: Take a look at http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/ |
| 14:09.47 | Netlynx | babilen: thx. should be local problem then. |
| 14:10.17 | abrotman | Netlynx: actually http://www.debian.org/ or some sub-domain ? |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | sid3k: i'm okay with bind .. it works well, lots of docs |
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| 14:11.27 | babilen | sid3k: Ah, I somehow thought you are looking for open dns servers. bind9 is a good choice, can't really comment on the rest though |
| 14:11.30 | Netlynx | abrotman: any site that has debian.org in it so far. |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | just you ... |
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| 14:17.38 | sid3k | babilen: is bind a command or a popular tool? |
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| 14:20.02 | abrotman | sid3k: google ? |
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| 14:20.41 | stew | sid3k: its the most widely used dns server software |
| 14:20.42 | ethanol | babilen, it's a daemon |
| 14:20.43 | entrex | any chance anyone has a large enough buffer to paste what the last reply to me was? |
| 14:20.56 | ethanol | oh my bad, sid3k * |
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| 14:21.23 | ginet | have a look at powerdns apt-get pdns |
| 14:21.35 | stew | "<j*lly-home> entrex: what you're seeing is a feature of the grsecurity patchset." |
| 14:21.43 | sid3k | abrotman: arright, thanks |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | sid3k: oreilly even has a book about it .. (if that's some measure of software ..) |
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| 14:24.58 | entrex | stew: thank you. netsplit killed my buffer. |
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| 14:27.06 | zophy | why do debian distros always have male names ? |
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| 14:27.34 | stew | zophy: debian releases are named after toy story characaters |
| 14:27.44 | zophy | why not is there being a BoPeep release then ? |
| 14:27.49 | stew | !bo |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | from memory, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 14:27.51 | burd_tu | zophy, in case you haven't caught on the names of the distros are characters from Toy Story... |
| 14:28.24 | jelly | zophy: which gender are the squeeze aliens? |
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| 14:31.29 | djura-san | *happy new year :) |
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| 14:36.16 | zophy | there's still Barbie, Sally, Marie Antoinette |
| 14:37.18 | zophy | Janie |
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| 14:38.32 | babilen | is looking forward to the "troll" release :) |
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| 14:39.17 | stew | i love that we have rcbuggy pointing to experimental in places |
| 14:39.19 | bolt | Debian Barbie... that's gonna rule |
| 14:39.33 | zophy | Trixie, Dolly |
| 14:39.33 | stew | i doubt barbie would happen with fears of trademark infringement |
| 14:39.46 | babilen | right |
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| 14:40.05 | bolt | Bar-Bee? |
| 14:40.07 | zophy | what does barbie have to do with computers ? |
| 14:40.17 | zophy | she's a girl |
| 14:40.53 | bolt | so... wallpaper? |
| 14:41.06 | babilen | zophy, bolt: absolutely uncalled for |
| 14:41.09 | zophy | yeah |
| 14:41.17 | bolt | sorry :/ |
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| 14:43.02 | sep | babilen, Debian troll.... awesome :) |
| 14:44.42 | zophy | http://s.chakpak.com/se_images/316881_-1_564_none/barbie-wallpaper.jpg |
| 14:44.45 | zophy | wowser |
| 14:44.54 | dutchfish | lifts eyebrow and wonders what babilen has in mind regarding 'good intensions' for 2011 ... |
| 14:45.01 | sep | I'll have a problem when debian Pterodactyl is released. i'll never spell it properly |
| 14:45.05 | djura-san | zophy: lawl :D |
| 14:45.20 | jelly | sep: call it 13.0 or whatnot |
| 14:45.29 | sep | jelly, boooring :) |
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| 14:46.01 | kryl | do you know where can I find driver for this nic ? : 0b:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 12) |
| 14:46.01 | jelly | yes, it's much easier for all the normal people to memorize the codenames |
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| 14:46.33 | bolt | normal people be damned |
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| 14:46.48 | jelly | !tell kryl about bnx2 |
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| 14:48.32 | kryl | it looks better :) thanks |
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| 14:49.43 | Mykhaylo | Hello. While installing "Debootstrap Error. Failed to determinate the codename for the relase" Squeeze weekly snapshot installer. Any advice? |
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| 14:50.53 | zophy | here's a photo of my home office --> http://www.doll-house-miniature-club.com/images/princess-bedroom.gif |
| 14:51.04 | nio | hello i need to resize my root partition how to do that |
| 14:51.21 | ajikeshi | eeeew a gif |
| 14:52.39 | acu | I want to install debian squeeze with usb stick (I have an 8 GB one) - I usually install squeeze from debian-installer but I used always CDs - can anyone guide me to prepare the usb stick so I can do a NetIntstall of AMD64 squeeze daily ? |
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| 14:53.08 | ajikeshi | acu, should be possible... but i failed trying that :/ |
| 14:53.15 | abrotman | acu: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 14:53.54 | acu | nio: if you want GUI - use GPARTED or QTparted - but usually it lets you increase the root (if I remember rights) |
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| 14:55.03 | Mykhaylo | How does installer determinate codename? System variable? |
| 14:55.07 | satellit_ | acu: Here is the way I do it for a related distro based on squeeze: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Linux_Mint_Debian#How_to_Make_a_2GB_Installer_USB |
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| 14:55.42 | nio | sorry i was disconnected acu |
| 14:55.49 | satellit_ | should work from debian directly... |
| 14:55.54 | nio | gparted don't allow to resize / |
| 14:56.03 | nio | i have to unmount first |
| 14:56.58 | acu | nio: then boot with another hard disk - and resize the one you want |
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| 14:57.15 | acu | nio: or you can boot with a live CD |
| 14:57.29 | acu | I used Knoppix - always good - but Debian has live CD too |
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| 14:58.25 | nio | acu one more question if i am taking the extra gb from vmware partition /vmware which is by default 8gb would it make the vmware crash or system crash |
| 14:58.44 | nio | acu i have ubuntu live cd |
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| 15:00.06 | acu | nio: you can backup your image from wmware - I know you can shrink virtual .img - but it is more cumbersome - I usually use KVM and Virt-Manager - but I am sure there are ways to deal with it too |
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| 15:01.27 | stew | nio: you need to make it bigger or smaller? is it on a partition or lvm or what? which filesystem is it |
| 15:01.30 | acu | nio: what I meant - is back up your wmware img before shrinking the host - just in case - or shrink the wmvare image before shrink the host (I know is convolutied) |
| 15:01.40 | stew | nio: by it i mean / |
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| 15:02.15 | nio | it is not lvm |
| 15:03.31 | nio | i am using my laptop which i don't want to crash at the moment but my / partition is now 90% full now i had alloted 8gb to vmware which i think is too large i need just 1 or 2 gb at the most |
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| 15:04.14 | nio | here is the disk information url http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549845/ |
| 15:05.07 | stew | nio: what type of block device is /dev/sdall? |
| 15:05.11 | stew | nio: this is a ubuntu install? |
| 15:05.17 | nio | yes |
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| 15:05.28 | stew | nio: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 15:05.59 | nio | i could not find much help there so i came here if you can please |
| 15:06.23 | stew | nio: we only support debian here |
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| 15:07.07 | nio | ok thankx |
| 15:07.18 | nio | stew thanx by the way |
| 15:08.25 | kryl | how to force initramfs to reconstruct ? |
| 15:08.40 | kryl | (I want to be sure there is some files in /lib/firmware in the initramfs) |
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| 15:09.38 | robokop | update-initramfs |
| 15:09.52 | kryl | (with xen :) ) |
| 15:09.55 | kryl | sorry |
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| 15:11.05 | robokop | kryl: sorry no experience with xen |
| 15:12.06 | kryl | nop |
| 15:12.09 | kryl | thank you |
| 15:12.09 | gudmundur | I have a binary distribution (no option of a src distrib, packaged in a .tar.gz) and I need to build a .deb package out of it. Is there some simple way or some good tools I should check out? |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | gudmundur: stow? checkinstall? |
| 15:13.29 | kryl | that's the problem when I install bnx2 drivers |
| 15:13.34 | kryl | I have : update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 15:13.45 | kryl | and I'm under xen : 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 15:13.59 | kryl | I guess the firmware was not in the initramfs of xen ... |
| 15:14.34 | gudmundur | abrotman: I kind of need the .deb package, gonna build my own packages (based on sources I have) that depend on the binary one |
| 15:14.50 | robokop | kryl: update-initramfs -[cu] -k 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 ? |
| 15:15.02 | kryl | robokop, I'll allready try without success |
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| 15:15.56 | kryl | just if I have automatic change in kernel next time it will update I'll lost the firmware upgrade |
| 15:15.58 | kryl | no? |
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| 15:16.58 | nomism | hey, i want to set a russian keyboard layout via setxkbmap -layout ru -variant phonetic. so far this works quiet well. my problem is, that my hardware is a german querz keyboard, and the russian phonetic layout behaves like a querty layout (y and z are changed). has anyone a suggestion how i can get a russian phonetic querz keyboard layout? |
| 15:18.04 | nomism | i already had a look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols$ geany ru ... the description there looks quiet generic to me: ''key<LatZ> {[ Cyrillic_ze, Cyrillic_ZE]}; |
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| 15:38.34 | inchworm | hello, anyone have a clue how long a dist-upgrade via apt-get inside a virtualbox VM should take? |
| 15:39.04 | stew | inchworm: that depends on a lot of things, like the speed of the machine, the hard drives, the network... |
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| 15:39.17 | babilen | the number of packages that have to be downloaded ... |
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| 15:39.19 | stew | inchworm: how many things need to be updated... |
| 15:39.43 | astrostl | what is the general rule for whether or not something gets installed in (s)bin/ or in lib/ (and managed via update-alternatives)? |
| 15:40.09 | astrostl | i've noticed that firefox and valgrind, for example, live in /usr/lib |
| 15:40.30 | inchworm | stew: it's a pretty much default install from the net-install disk moving from lenny to testing. The machine is a 2gz macbook (pre 64bit) All the pacakges were downloaded yesterday. It's been at 99% all night. |
| 15:40.52 | stew | astrostl: if it is to be run by root it gets installed in /usr/sbin unless it needs to be run before /usr is mounted (durinng the boot process), in which case it goes in /sbin. if its to be run by regular users, then its /usr/bin or /bin. if its not to be run by users it goes in /usr/lib/ or /lib |
| 15:41.23 | astrostl | stew: that was my understanding as well, but how does that explain firefox being in /usr/lib? |
| 15:41.33 | stew | astrostl: if there are multiple commands that can stand in for eachother (they have the same command line arguments and function similarly) they *could* be managed with update-alternatives |
| 15:41.52 | Shadur | I need a quick favor - can someone look up www.hela.nl and tell me if the first two quads are 89.20 ? |
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| 15:42.36 | stew | astrostl: that is a directory for firefox/iceweasel to store arch dependant files. iceweasel installs a /usr/bin/firefox which you could use to launch iceweasel |
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| 15:43.19 | stew | hela.nl has address 89.20.83.118 |
| 15:43.28 | stew | Shadur: (and you mean octets, not quads) |
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| 15:44.00 | astrostl | breaking canon: the firefox install in usr/lib is actually on UBUNTU, not debian itself. /usr/bin/firefox is actually a symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.12/firefox.sh. update-alternatives still calls it the debian system, so i thought i might get help here. |
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| 15:44.44 | stew | astrostl: we only support debian here, go to #ubutnu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:45.02 | stew | astrostl: the stuff I said before might not apply to ubuntu, i dont know |
| 15:45.23 | astrostl | it would seem to violate FHS to do it that way. so the firefox .deb for debian doesn't symlink from /usr/lib? |
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| 15:46.06 | stew | astrostl: the iceweasel package in debian installs a shell script in /usr/bin/firefox |
| 15:46.20 | stew | astrostl: (debian renamed firefox to iceweasel) |
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| 15:48.38 | astrostl | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/amd64/iceweasel/filelist - looks like /usr/lib/iceweasel-bin might be the actual binary though? |
| 15:49.16 | inchworm | on my problem of a dist-upgrade taking forever, I killed the process and started it again. it actually seems to be doing something now |
| 15:49.29 | inchworm | and it had done quite a bit before |
| 15:49.30 | astrostl | (er, firefox-bin) |
| 15:49.30 | stew | astrostl: yes |
| 15:49.33 | stew | yes |
| 15:49.34 | inchworm | somewhere it just got hung |
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| 15:49.48 | astrostl | so what rationalizes that living in /usr/lib rather than /usr/bin? |
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| 15:50.00 | astrostl | is it because it's launched via shell script? |
| 15:50.15 | stew | astrostl: its not intended to by run by users, its intended that users start it via /usr/bin/icewasel or /usr/bin/firefox wrapper scripts |
| 15:50.41 | astrostl | gotcha, thx |
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| 15:56.40 | astrostl | somewhat interesting note: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLIBLIBRARIESFORPROGRAMMINGANDPA says "/usr/lib includes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that are not intended to be executed directly by users or shell scripts." <-- note the shell script part. i know FHS is old, but the 'if it starts with a wrapper throw it in /usr/lib' construct may not hold FHS water? |
| 15:56.45 | Tango_und_Cash | apt-get upgrade destroy my personal menu.lst , but no menu.lst.bak or some like this isn't created, is this there any chance to get it back? |
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| 15:59.46 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: it shouldn't have destroyed it, it should have just altered the "AUTOMAGIC" section that you are told not to edit |
| 15:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | Tango_und_Cash: Just restore the backup you made before the upgrade. |
| 16:00.06 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 16:00.06 | Bartzy | Limiting outgoing traffic on a DMZ server makes any sense ? |
| 16:00.17 | Bartzy | currently all of our DMZ servers have their output traffic open to all... |
| 16:00.32 | Bartzy | only inbound connections are monitored and have policies |
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| 16:01.01 | stew | Bartzy: it can help limit what an attacker can do AFTER you've already been exploited |
| 16:01.03 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, it has changed my personal entries and have cut of some booting parameters |
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| 16:01.37 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: inside the AUTOMAGIC section? or elsewhere? |
| 16:01.46 | JPT | Bartzy: so wget http://evilsite.com/botnetclient will work on your machines? :) |
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| 16:02.19 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, after this line ## ## End Default Options ## |
| 16:02.24 | pzn | any hint about a package that can "test" a given password to determine if it is a good/strong one? so I can use in my application to check before accepting a weak password |
| 16:02.39 | catsup | JPT: after i ran that program my system got real unresponsive, wtf? |
| 16:02.50 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, yes inside the automatic section |
| 16:02.53 | JPT | :D |
| 16:03.22 | JPT | catsup: that's an energy-saver tool. it will use your cpu for cloud computing while idle |
| 16:03.23 | tech13 | Bartzy, depends on the cost/risk of what is on the DMZ server. It may be worth it to monitor for unexpected outgoing traffic. |
| 16:03.24 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: right, so see the comments "lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below" |
| 16:03.39 | astrostl | thx again for the input stew, later |
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| 16:04.07 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, hgrr okay my fault |
| 16:04.10 | catsup | JPT: oh cool, i always try to save energy |
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| 16:05.07 | Tango_und_Cash | the machine is still running with current importat settings |
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| 16:05.17 | Juzzy | weird, model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+, cpu MHz : 1000.000 |
| 16:05.27 | Tango_und_Cash | but no chance to get them back without a backupfile? |
| 16:05.34 | Juzzy | for some reason my amd 3800+ is only 1ghz in linux |
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| 16:06.11 | shleda_ | hi, is it possible to install Ubuntu along with Windows on same drive w/out partitioning C drive? I have ISO with me |
| 16:06.15 | Bartzy | tech13, stew, JPT: But if you think about it, when I initiate a connection from the DMZ server, and the connection pass the firewall because it's outbound, and then the connection is ESTABLISHED (isn't it?), the outside side can do whatever it wants with that connection, right? (If my firewall is stateful, which it is ofcourse) |
| 16:06.27 | catsup | Tango_und_Cash: nope, not unless you've got some non-default automated backup mechanism :\ |
| 16:06.31 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: what are the settings? |
| 16:06.47 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: if its command line options, you can perhaps recover them if they are currently active |
| 16:06.55 | Tango_und_Cash | many pcibackhide parameters |
| 16:07.02 | stew | shleda_: please ask ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu, not here |
| 16:07.16 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: they current appear in "cat /proc/cmdline" ? |
| 16:07.38 | stew | Juzzy: sounds like frequency scaling to save power when your cpu is not being fully used |
| 16:07.53 | Juzzy | stew, maybe, but my load is crazy high b/c of it |
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| 16:08.01 | Tango_und_Cash | root=/dev/sdc1 ro nomodeset xen-pciback.permissive.... |
| 16:08.03 | stew | Juzzy: does "lsmod | grep cpufreq" return matches? |
| 16:08.07 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Your dmz server is already running a process that _it_ initiated. |
| 16:08.08 | Juzzy | 10:08:13 up 2 days, 1:13, 3 users, load average: 3.54, 2.43, 1.42 |
| 16:08.13 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, okay got them |
| 16:08.16 | Tango_und_Cash | puhhhhh |
| 16:08.28 | JPT | Bartzy: maybe the hacker doesn't know how to upload |
| 16:08.32 | Juzzy | lsmod | grep cpufreq = no match |
| 16:08.32 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: edit the # kopt= line in menu.list to include these paramaters, then run "update-grub" |
| 16:08.47 | stew | Juzzy: is your cpu being used heavily? |
| 16:09.02 | karlpinc | Bartzy: The reason you block outbound as well is so that if some process is compromised it cannot do arbitrary things. |
| 16:09.02 | stew | Juzzy: (note that load can be things other than cpu) |
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| 16:09.37 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Sure, if you're rooted then game's over. But you want to have roadblocks in place. |
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| 16:11.08 | stew | if you have a firewall separate from the DMZ servers, limiting outgoing connections can still limit what happens after you get rooted however |
| 16:12.30 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, did kopt work with different kernels ? i mean the regular kernel should be have the automatic update funktion but 2 different kernels especial xen kernels have to be ignored bei the update |
| 16:12.46 | Juzzy | stew, yea xbmc is running, 28% cpu |
| 16:12.53 | Juzzy | and X and such |
| 16:13.17 | stew | Juzzy: can you run "vmstat 1 10" and show us the output in a pastebin |
| 16:13.32 | Juzzy | k sec |
| 16:14.06 | stew | Tango_und_Cash: you can have multiple # kopt_2_6_26= options with different version strings for different kernels, see the surrounding comments |
| 16:14.06 | Juzzy | http://pastebin.com/tkw0Mgrz |
| 16:14.21 | Tango_und_Cash | stew, ah okay thanks a lot |
| 16:14.34 | Bartzy | karlpinc, stew: Lets say I have a laptop in my internal network. The laptop gets some malware toolbar while at home. Now if at work, the toolbar malware initiates a connection with some server on the internet and starts sending arbitrary data from my internal network - it will succeed right? |
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| 16:20.16 | stew | Bartzy: right. and this is often going to be hard to prevent for your trusted network, since, for instance, you are probably going to allow users on the trusted network to make port 80 connections |
| 16:20.49 | stew | Bartzy: however, you might limit the trusted network from making port 25 connections except to your smart host, and you might prevent DMZ from making random port 80 connections |
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| 16:22.51 | Bartzy | stew: And I can prevent my trusted network from going out with port 80, and use a proxy and only the proxy could go out on port 80. Or use transparent proxy.. right ? |
| 16:23.01 | Bartzy | stew: But how can I "proxy" FTP for example ? |
| 16:23.24 | Bartzy | Meaning making only 1 machine "catch" all the ftp requests, just like http proxy ? |
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| 16:24.03 | stew | Bartzy: i'm not sure. do you need to allow FTP at all? |
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| 16:24.53 | Bartzy | stew: Outgoing FTP ? Yes. |
| 16:24.54 | Juzzy | most ftp's will let you limit the passive port range, then you can just do your allows/fwds on those ports |
| 16:24.58 | stew | Bartzy: and just because you force your trusted users through a http proxy, did that prevent the type of problem you were asking about? ("starts sending arbitrary data from my internal network") |
| 16:25.22 | Bartzy | stew: No, but if I have an implicit deny on all output... then yes |
| 16:25.42 | Bartzy | but what about skype and p2p connections that are needed for every bussiness... How do other companies deal with it |
| 16:25.57 | Bartzy | a hacker can just piggyback on the opened outgoing skype port :| |
| 16:26.35 | stew | Bartzy: you should really try to be preventing the hacker from getting to the trusted part of your network |
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| 16:27.28 | Bartzy | stew: If a user catches a virus while at the airport I can't do much about it |
| 16:27.50 | stew | Bartzy: you can run virus software on their machine |
| 16:28.31 | Bartzy | Antivirus yes... but if it didn't catch it |
| 16:29.10 | stew | yes |
| 16:30.03 | Bartzy | stew: Yeah, but if they did catch it |
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| 16:30.30 | Bartzy | So I'm screwed if they connect it to my trusted network afterwards, and my outbound is ANY ANY ? |
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| 16:31.14 | stew | Bartzy: if virusses that aren't detectable by your antivirus software get onto your protected network, you are screwed no matter what your outbound policy is |
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| 16:31.44 | stew | s/protected/trusted/whatever |
| 16:31.55 | Bartzy | stew: No I'm not |
| 16:32.02 | Bartzy | stew: Because if they can't get out |
| 16:32.09 | Bartzy | I'm not compromised... |
| 16:32.11 | stew | yes you are |
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| 16:32.20 | Bartzy | I mean if the virus isn't doing anything bad to the data/computers themselves :p |
| 16:32.29 | Bartzy | They can't get data out. |
| 16:32.33 | stew | sure they can |
| 16:32.43 | Bartzy | by HTTP or something like that ? |
| 16:32.53 | stew | yes, or as you have mentioned, ftp or skype |
| 16:33.00 | Bartzy | yeah |
| 16:33.09 | Bartzy | but again egress filtering should be done right ? |
| 16:33.17 | stew | up to you |
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| 16:39.10 | mibocote | if I have two routing rules, one for 10./8 and one for say 10.1./16, will the more specific routing rule apply? |
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| 16:40.27 | stew | mibocote: the first one in the routing table matched |
| 16:40.53 | wissem_ | !topic |
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| 16:42.06 | a_ | sorry for offtop, but does anyone here have a nexus one? |
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| 16:42.38 | stew | a_: try #android |
| 16:42.58 | a_ | i tried, but i can't go to that channel |
| 16:43.12 | abrotman | a_: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:43.14 | a_ | Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 16:43.24 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 16:43.29 | a_ | how do i register my nick? |
| 16:43.35 | abrotman | a_: /msg nickserv help |
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| 16:43.43 | stew | a_: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 16:43.44 | a_ | thanks :) |
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| 16:50.07 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: for some time yes |
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| 16:58.18 | karlpinc | Any comments on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware ? |
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| 16:58.35 | karlpinc | (See also <overview>.) |
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| 17:02.28 | babilen | karlpinc: I like it. I'll let you know if I would change something (or just change it myself) |
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| 17:03.13 | pythoned | What is a kernel failure more exactly? I'm new to debian and just experienced one today. |
| 17:03.37 | karlpinc | babilen: It seemed there was no place where newbies could get such info. |
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| 17:03.51 | lilibox | hi |
| 17:04.07 | babilen | karlpinc: Yeah, it is a good overview. :) |
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| 17:04.35 | lilibox | need help with mediatomb, especialy ffmpeg support and iPad support |
| 17:04.39 | karlpinc | pythoned: The real question is "what's a kernel". Then you'll know what it means to fail. :-) The kernel mediates between programs and the hardware. See wikipedia. Then (possibly) ask here for details. |
| 17:05.15 | pythoned | karlpinc, I know what is a kernel. But I don't get it....if I have a failure, how my system was still operable? |
| 17:05.20 | lilibox | i am trying to build mediatomb 0.12.1 with ffmpeg option and configuration result says missing |
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| 17:05.39 | karlpinc | babilen: I fear that because the default debian install does not have "all that stuff" people go to other distros. |
| 17:05.47 | lilibox | when i try --enable-ffmpeg configurator says some error, what do i need add to enable this option |
| 17:05.49 | babilen | lilibox: How are you building it? You are probably missing some -dev package for ffmpeg |
| 17:06.17 | lilibox | and what is the best .config for running mediatomb as iPad streamer server with transcoding on |
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| 17:06.22 | karlpinc | pythoned: It could be with a piece of hardware you don't need so much and/or a failure that can be recovered from by retry or whatever. |
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| 17:06.32 | karlpinc | pythoned: If you have a panic then it crashes. |
| 17:06.42 | lilibox | babilen> yes, i guess soo, but which devs packages |
| 17:06.43 | lilibox | ? |
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| 17:07.18 | pythoned | karlpinc, I didn't had kernel panic. Ohh I get it now, thank you. I'll consult wikipedia for more info. Anyway I submitted the bug to kerneloops. Hope it helps them. |
| 17:07.51 | babilen | lilibox: I am not sure as I have never compiled mediatomb. Please explain how you are compiling it and paste the *exact* error to a pastebin |
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| 17:08.14 | karlpinc | pythoned: You could submit a bug to debian. They are more likely to know if it's already fixed upstream or could patch or push a more meaningful report upstream. I'm no expert at this. YMMV. |
| 17:08.42 | karlpinc | pythoned: Debian does patch it's kernels, so it could be debian specific. |
| 17:09.12 | pythoned | karlpinc, Didn't knew that. Ok |
| 17:09.30 | karlpinc | pythoned: Maybe someone else could comment as to the best way to report such a problem. (In general I report bugs to debian and let the experts worry about it.) |
| 17:09.48 | karlpinc | pythoned: Patching is a lot of what the security team does. |
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| 17:10.15 | karlpinc | !tell pythoned about reportbug |
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| 17:11.38 | pythoned | karlpinc, I messaged dpkg already for bugreport. |
| 17:11.53 | pythoned | karlpinc, Nice bot, I learned a lot for him :) |
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| 17:14.16 | lilibox | babilen> ./configure --enable-ffmpeg |
| 17:14.27 | lilibox | and result is configure: error: unable to configure ffmpeg support |
| 17:14.41 | lilibox | when i typed just ./configure configurator passed to end |
| 17:14.53 | lilibox | and says ffmpeg support missing |
| 17:15.03 | lilibox | other features says enable or disable |
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| 17:15.34 | lilibox | i asked at #mediatomb and there is silence :) |
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| 17:16.01 | csmalley | Hey guys, |
| 17:16.17 | karlpinc | pythoned: As a newbie you may find the <grounding> factoid helpful. |
| 17:16.25 | csmalley | I'm going to install debian on an x86_64 system. |
| 17:16.48 | csmalley | Should I download the ia64 DVD-1? |
| 17:16.54 | babilen | no |
| 17:16.57 | karlpinc | csmalley: You should download the amd64 netinstall. |
| 17:17.01 | CodeNinja | why is the roundcube package's locations alllll kinds of fubar'd? its got symlinks going back and forth between /var/lib/roundcube and /usr/share/roundcube, /etc/roundcube, and a whole bunch of crazy, the main config file is where it supposed to be by symlink, yet roundcube complains that it cant find it |
| 17:17.09 | babilen | csmalley: you want amd64 -- ia64 is Itanium |
| 17:17.30 | karlpinc | csmalley: Unless for some reason you don't have on-line access regularly the netinstall is the better choice. |
| 17:17.35 | csmalley | amd64 for an intel basaed system? |
| 17:17.42 | babilen | lilibox: I'll look into it later, let me know if you manage to solve it in the meantime |
| 17:17.43 | karlpinc | !amd64 |
| 17:17.43 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 17:18.01 | babilen | !tell csmalley -about why amd64 |
| 17:18.26 | lilibox | babilen> yes |
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| 17:19.01 | stew | lilibox: see what config.log says it is doing or looking for when it decides you don't have ffmpeg support |
| 17:19.11 | karlpinc | csmalley: You may consider i386. I hear the non-free adobe flash does not run well on 64 bit systems. (But then I don't know it runs well in any case.) |
| 17:19.39 | daemonkeeper | There are few reasons to run AMD64 distributions on your desktop. |
| 17:20.01 | karlpinc | csmalley: As long as you're new to this I'll try my new factoid out on you. |
| 17:20.06 | stew | daemonkeeper: is there a reason I wouldn't? i've been doing it for years without problems I'd attribute to amd64 |
| 17:20.09 | karlpinc | !tell csmalley about overview |
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| 17:21.13 | daemonkeeper | Some binary non-free software isn't available/is problemativ and makes the use of AMD64 more a pain than having benefits at all. |
| 17:21.18 | daemonkeeper | problematic |
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| 17:21.32 | csmalley | Actually, we want to install proxmox with a custmized partitioning. |
| 17:21.34 | stew | daemonkeeper: the easy solution is to not use non-free software |
| 17:21.47 | karlpinc | stew:) |
| 17:21.50 | stew | daemonkeeper: and I certainly get benefits of using amd64 |
| 17:22.02 | daemonkeeper | Sure you do. Hardly on your desktop |
| 17:22.16 | karlpinc | !tell csmalley about proxmox |
| 17:22.16 | stew | daemonkeeper: why is "desktop" important here? |
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| 17:22.48 | daemonkeeper | Because on your desktop you will rarely need more than 4 GB of memory _per process_. On servers/some special cases you will. |
| 17:23.06 | daemonkeeper | And for everything else you won't benefit to run AMD64 natively. |
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| 17:23.17 | daemonkeeper | (almost everything) |
| 17:23.25 | stew | daemonkeeper: i do work with large databases on my desktop |
| 17:23.33 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: Sure you will, if you're pushing data through the cpu. (If you don't do that then it does not matter.) |
| 17:23.40 | stew | daemonkeeper: and my desktop machine does have more than 4 gigs fo ram |
| 17:23.49 | daemonkeeper | stew: Note the _per process_. |
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| 17:23.57 | stew | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 17:23.59 | stew | daemonkeeper: i note it |
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| 17:24.26 | stew | anyway, no reason not to use amd64 |
| 17:24.31 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: A 64 bit cpu has twice the bandwidth to the cpu. |
| 17:24.46 | daemonkeeper | You can have more than 4 GB on Linux x86 as well using PAE. Not per process though, which is a huge drawback for databases for example. |
| 17:25.02 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: Right. You buy that by using twice as much memory. |
| 17:25.05 | stew | pae comes at a performance loss |
| 17:25.18 | stew | daemonkeeper: no, not twice as much memory |
| 17:26.02 | daemonkeeper | Sure. Consider a simple 4 byte integer stored in your memory (the default C-Type for int). On AMD64 you will need 8 byte to store the same numer. |
| 17:26.04 | daemonkeeper | numer |
| 17:26.06 | daemonkeeper | number! |
| 17:26.16 | stew | daemonkeeper: so twice as much if all memory is integers |
| 17:26.37 | stew | (which it isn't) |
| 17:26.46 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: _and_ you've random access and it won't fit in cache. |
| 17:27.25 | nsadmin | what;s the latest rc bug count |
| 17:27.34 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: You can make your argument about bits as well, but we don't need 32 times the ram because we use bit flags. |
| 17:27.52 | karlpinc | nsadmin: it's in <guess the release date> factoid. |
| 17:28.05 | magyar | hi, i have squeeze installed. I can't get sound to work with youtube (flash). How can I resolve this issue? |
| 17:28.16 | daemonkeeper | stew: True. Similar problems apply to other data types as well though. Come on, you really won't insist to say AMD64 wouldn't consume much more memory for the very same process compared to i386. |
| 17:28.21 | nsadmin | !guess the release date |
| 17:28.21 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. Ask me about <squeeze pool>. |
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| 17:29.18 | Trewas | karlpinc: there's no difference in bandwidth between x86 and amd64 processors |
| 17:29.45 | Trewas | and ints are 32bit in amd64, pointers are obviously 64bit though |
| 17:29.48 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: It's a difference whether you threat your 64 bit segment as single number or you look on single bits, which is in use for both architectures. |
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| 17:30.00 | karlpinc | Trewas: One has a 32 bit word, 32 bits into the processor per cycle (ish), the other a 64 bit word. 64=2*32. |
| 17:30.29 | daemonkeeper | Assuming you really _need_ more than 32 bits. |
| 17:30.34 | Trewas | karlpinc: all that is irrelevant because the bottleneck is the bus between cpu and ram |
| 17:30.49 | stew | daemonkeeper: i'm saying that processes on my amd64 install do not use twice as much memory as they would on a i386. I'm saying that my desktop would be less performant on i386. I'm saying that I would get no benefit of switching to i386 |
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| 17:32.04 | karlpinc | Trewas: amd64 does not clock(ish) 64 bits at a time from ram? There's still a 32 bit bus to ram and the 64 bits are only to cache? |
| 17:32.19 | daemonkeeper | stew: I didn't doubt that. I just mentioned that you will not profit from using AMD64 unless you have good reasons. Your database may be such an exception - which is what I meant by "desktop use". On servers this certainly makes sense (and it won't hurt if Flash - for example - is broken there) |
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| 17:34.28 | stew | daemonkeeper: what do you mean by "flash"? |
| 17:34.41 | karlpinc | stew: Youtube. |
| 17:34.42 | Trewas | karlpinc: it does not matter much what size of chunks the data is moved in when the theoretical maximum is much higher than what the actual bus can manage |
| 17:34.56 | stew | youtube works fine |
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| 17:35.19 | daemonkeeper | stew: Flash (the browser plugin) is a well-known example to be broken/faulty/buggy for Linux on AMD64. |
| 17:35.28 | daemonkeeper | If available anyway. |
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| 17:35.43 | maligor | daemonkeeper, they have a preview for amd64 available again |
| 17:35.46 | daemonkeeper | I think (I'm unsure) Adobe revoked AMD64 Flash recently. |
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| 17:35.54 | stew | daemonkeeper: you are wrong about that |
| 17:35.56 | karlpinc | Trewas: Ok. But if you've got 32 bits moving at a time surely that's half as fast as 64 bits moving at once, even if neither can keep the cpu pipleline full. (And then there's cache.) |
| 17:36.03 | daemonkeeper | Ah, maligor corrected me. |
| 17:36.15 | maligor | oh, it's beta 1 now |
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| 17:36.31 | maligor | the free versions work(ish) now also |
| 17:36.43 | karlpinc | If I get around to trying flash I'll see about using firefox 4 and html5. |
| 17:36.47 | stew | daemonkeeper: first of all, flash, if you mean the non-free software from adobe, is known to be broken, faulty, buggy on all platforms. its available on amd64, and there are free alternatives available for all the debian arches |
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| 17:38.19 | daemonkeeper | stew: I mean indeed this non-free crappy piece of software, every second site these days wants to use. I didn't say neither it wouldn't be available (as maligor pointed out, it is available again) - I said it is particularly broken on AMD64 Linux platforms - perhaps Windows versions are in a bad shape too, but I don't know. |
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| 17:38.27 | karlpinc | Trewas: You must have a good point though, or we'd be starting to see 128 bit x86 cpus by now. |
| 17:38.39 | stew | its particuarly broken on all platforms, linux and non-linux |
| 17:38.40 | Trewas | karlpinc: I don't think it's that simple, stuff like floating point numbers and SSE registers are larger than 32bit always and they can be moved with one instruction |
| 17:38.44 | stew | and its non-free anyway |
| 17:39.04 | daemonkeeper | True. |
| 17:39.36 | karlpinc | Trewas: The x86 cpu line sucks. Ah well. |
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| 17:40.15 | daemonkeeper | the whole x86 sucks. But that's what we have to deal with. |
| 17:40.22 | maligor | karlpinc, only in happyland with unicorns |
| 17:40.33 | daemonkeeper | +arch |
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| 17:40.43 | maligor | it's just the fastest arch you can get now |
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| 17:42.00 | daemonkeeper | Well, some others would argue that. Nonetheless it is full of ancient design flaws we still have to maintain in favor to backward compatibility. We've seen how Intel failed with IA64 being non comptaible to x86 compared to AMD64. |
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| 17:46.15 | karlpinc | local maxima |
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| 17:57.38 | perseo | !list |
| 17:57.38 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 17:57.42 | perseo | scusate |
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| 17:59.17 | daemonkeeper | Uh, dpkg has localized !list error messages? ;) |
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| 18:01.33 | stew | daemonkeeper: no, it is just that it only ever comes from people in italy, and it used to be happening rather consistently |
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| 18:03.06 | nirazio | Is it possible to connect to a specific Ubuntu machine from a computer on another country and gain root access level? |
| 18:03.26 | eject_ck | Hi guys, I wanna install squeeze on machine where I have no keyboard and monitor, looking for installation over serial port /ssh and network. My question is how to make debian installer booted with serial console redirection? |
| 18:03.31 | daemonkeeper | You noticed the channel name? Nonetheless: Sure. Why not? |
| 18:04.22 | daemonkeeper | stew: Why is that? I remember IRC/XDCC file sharing being popular in other countries too, when i last noticed it like 6-7 years ago. Italians still didn't get that one-click-hoster do exist? |
| 18:05.09 | stew | eject_ck: i'm not sure if it is up to date, but http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 18:05.19 | stew | daemonkeeper: i've never been able to get a satisfactory answer to that question |
| 18:06.28 | eject_ck | stew, thanks! |
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| 18:09.15 | Arrowmaster | stew, daemonkeeper: ive been told the more common joining a channel, saying ciao, and then doing !list is some common italian client script |
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| 18:09.56 | daemonkeeper | What sense would that make? |
| 18:10.03 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue |
| 18:10.28 | daemonkeeper | I mean ciao is one thing, that's the Italien "Hi", but !list? |
| 18:10.46 | cahoot | it's an attack on the x86 |
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| 18:11.11 | Arrowmaster | maybe it was a bad attempt at disguising the client script as a common user by saying Hi first |
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| 18:11.23 | Arrowmaster | very very bad attempt |
| 18:12.21 | haxi_ | how can I access to the files burnt on a file-cd ? |
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| 18:12.42 | thewanderer1 | haxi_: you mount the CD as a filesystem |
| 18:13.10 | daemonkeeper | Arrowmaster: That makes no sense in all channels, but file sharing related ones only one will not find on Freenode anyway. |
| 18:13.18 | haxi_ | isn't it automatical? |
| 18:13.31 | macrobat | haxi_: man mount and look for mount -o loop |
| 18:13.50 | thewanderer1 | haxi_: it depends. under GNOME, you can find it in sth like "Computer" or "Media"... |
| 18:13.52 | Arrowmaster | daemonkeeper: i see it happen on gamesurge all the time which will gline people for filesharing |
| 18:14.11 | thewanderer1 | macrobat: why would he need loop for a CD? |
| 18:14.45 | daemonkeeper | Arrowmaster: Yes, sure. You know for what !list was used once? |
| 18:15.05 | Arrowmaster | yes i know, and it still is used for that on other networks |
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| 18:15.11 | macrobat | oh, i didnt read that the right way, i'm too tired for irc :D |
| 18:15.19 | haxi_ | I'm not familiar with mount -_- |
| 18:15.38 | macrobat | haxi_: mount is your friend |
| 18:16.06 | haxi_ | not sure dude. ^^ i'm rtfm |
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| 18:16.14 | daemonkeeper | Yes. I said "once" since I find it hard to believe people still do care about that painful way, since one click hoster do exist these days. Anyway, we should ask the next Italian we meet ;) |
| 18:16.24 | daemonkeeper | (Well, besides me, as I obviously don't know) |
| 18:17.10 | Arrowmaster | i still get my unlicensed anime fansubs via xdcc, rapidshare clones are annoying |
| 18:17.15 | thewanderer1 | any ideas how to prevent DNS rebinding attacks on public services? |
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| 18:17.41 | thewanderer1 | I have dnsmasq configured, but it doesn't help if a website I'm using gets attacked... |
| 18:17.51 | frikinz | How does one use a scanner through network (wifi) ? I don't see so many thing on sane website. usb to wifi gateway? |
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| 18:18.32 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: fire up saned on the server, you connect with the clients |
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| 18:18.54 | haxi_ | macrobat: thanks. :) |
| 18:19.23 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: basically it's as simple as configuring /etc/default files on the host and setting /etc/sane.d/net.conf on the clients |
| 18:19.24 | macrobat | have fun, haxi_ |
| 18:19.39 | frikinz | thewanderer1: the server is .. the scanner (HP) which has a wireless interface. for printing it took me about 3mn (cups, hplip,..) but for scanning.. |
| 18:20.15 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: oh, I have no freakin idea. I have only ever used sane with a USB-attached device. |
| 18:20.42 | frikinz | thewanderer1: if I connect the scanner via usb to my server yes, it's easy. What I want is PC <--wifi-->scanner |
| 18:21.03 | Seb | my system still does the "system beep" even after I rmmod'ed pcspkr, any ideas ? |
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| 18:21.26 | cahoot | snd-pcsp? |
| 18:21.34 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: then it's not entirely sane-net related |
| 18:21.41 | Seb | cahoot: it's not loaded |
| 18:21.45 | frikinz | thewanderer1: it might be a proprietary interface yes |
| 18:22.04 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: you need a driver for this, and you'll probably have to configure it |
| 18:22.13 | thewanderer1 | if it's TWAIN, you're in deep crap |
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| 18:25.21 | frikinz | thewanderer1: I'm actually lucky the printer I bought today is recognized since.. 2010-12-24 in experimental.. :) |
| 18:25.52 | thewanderer1 | check the driver specs |
| 18:26.36 | thewanderer1 | hmm you could try hplip |
| 18:26.40 | frikinz | yes, I'll have to open this nice CD given by hp with all this load of crap software |
| 18:26.58 | frikinz | thewanderer1: for printing it is hplip 3.10.9-1 yes |
| 18:27.09 | thewanderer1 | so have you tried hplip for scanning as well? |
| 18:27.13 | cahoot | frikinz: tried snae-net? |
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| 18:27.18 | cahoot | sane-net |
| 18:27.41 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: look, "network" scanners are using inSANE protocols, as in, proprietary |
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| 18:27.51 | frikinz | cahoot: not yet, printed the firs page 10mn ago.. let me check |
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| 18:28.21 | frikinz | thewanderer1: yes but as it goes over wireless.. it might be reversable.. or I'll stand and push the button on the printer.. less funny |
| 18:28.34 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.04 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: yes, to saned working on a remote host. no scanner I know runs saned... |
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| 18:31.47 | haggl | hey guys, i've got a serious problem with dm-crypt/LUKS |
| 18:32.07 | haggl | can anyone help me with that? |
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| 18:35.21 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: try configuring the hplip backend via hplip-gui perhaps |
| 18:35.48 | Bushmills | haggl: sure... a: determine reason for "serious problem", b: take steps to solve "serious problem", c: test whether fix for "serious problem" was effective. |
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| 18:37.50 | haggl | Bushmills: ^^ |
| 18:37.58 | trebuchet | Anyone know a magical way to make perl or some other general purpose programming language compatible with ircii/epic scripting via some mediator/api/module? I don't want to learn another specialized language for a single application again like tintin++ |
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| 18:38.33 | haggl | Bushmills: ok, i created a luksdevice via "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda7 .key" |
| 18:38.34 | frikinz | thewanderer1: that's what I am currently installing :) recommended in libsane-hpaio (sane backend for hp stuffs whatever that means) |
| 18:38.43 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 18:39.48 | haggl | Bushmills: then i opened it with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda7 home .key", created a ext4 filesystem ("mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/home") and copied my data onto it. it all worked fine. |
| 18:40.33 | haggl | Bushmills: BUT: after a reboot cryptsetup luksOpen ... terminates with "Device /dev/sda7 is not a LUKS partition." |
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| 18:46.28 | frikinz | haggl: what does file -s /dev/sda7 say? |
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| 18:48.02 | haggl | frikinz: /dev/sda7: data |
| 18:49.06 | frikinz | haggl: oops |
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| 18:49.41 | haggl | frikinz: it's beyond repair, isn't it? |
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| 18:50.10 | CaspeR-Bz | hy! is there a way to recover a deleted mysql database ? i dropped it accidentaly from phpmyadmin |
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| 18:50.38 | frikinz | haggl: you kept backup right? |
| 18:50.51 | trebuchet | of course he did |
| 18:51.00 | haggl_ | frikinz: ^^ |
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| 18:51.10 | haggl_ | frikinz: nope, i mv'd it |
| 18:51.44 | haggl_ | frikinz: otherwise i would just do the same procedure again |
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| 18:52.08 | haggl_ | frikinz: but why did it seem to work initially? |
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| 18:53.06 | edwin_quijada | alguien esta usando fetchamail para traer correo |
| 18:53.19 | edwin_quijada | estoy tendiendo un problema al tratar de log a mi cuenta |
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| 18:53.55 | edwin_quijada | esto es lo q consigo |
| 18:53.56 | edwin_quijada | fetchmail: El «CommonName» del servidor no coincide: titan.nswebhost.com != mail.jqmicrosistemas.com |
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| 18:55.24 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: english |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:55.35 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 18:55.50 | edwin_quijada | Oops!! Sorry I lost my mind !!! :( |
| 18:56.01 | abrotman | sounds like the cert has a different name than the host you're connecting to ? |
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| 18:56.29 | edwin_quijada | yeah.. but I dont know where to look to find out the real name |
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| 18:57.00 | frikinz | haggl: because it normally does.. did you close the luks volume before rebooting? |
| 18:58.01 | frikinz | haggl: there are quite some tools to recover things but if it's in a (partially) encrypted container... not sure |
| 18:58.02 | haggl | frikinz: no |
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| 18:58.50 | haggl | frikinz: ok, thx anyway. i'll have to use my "old" copy and do all the config-work again... |
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| 19:00.30 | haggl | frikinz: ok, i got a new problem ^^ |
| 19:00.36 | frikinz | haggl: normally init script should close the volume automatically so this is not really nominal. you might take care to really keep backup |
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| 19:01.44 | haggl | frikinz: "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda7 .key" where .key is my keyfile. then "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda7 home --key-file .key" returns "... not a LUKS partition.." again? |
| 19:01.51 | haggl | frikinz: what am i doing wrong? |
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| 19:04.40 | xyan | haggl: read the manpage.. "luksOpen <device> <name>" is the correct syntax it will ask you for a keyfile i think |
| 19:04.42 | haggl | frikinz: oh no. i found the error |
| 19:04.52 | frikinz | haggl: try cryptsetup --key-file .key luksOpen /dev/sda7 home |
| 19:05.39 | haggl | frikinz: in luks format it says "..type UPPERCASE yes". i typed lowercase yes all the time. so i think my partition was never really set up |
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| 19:08.38 | frikinz | haggl: so when you moved your data you moved them maybe to an unencrypted directory? hum |
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| 19:14.57 | deepy | How do I use a key.pem to login with ssh? |
| 19:15.45 | daemonkeeper | Do you mean a public key? |
| 19:15.49 | karlpinc | deepy: You need a new version of ssh (IIRC) and then use authorized_keys. (man sshd) |
| 19:16.03 | deepy | I'd assume it's the private key |
| 19:16.15 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: The new ssh allows use of certificates. |
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| 19:16.36 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: I just wanted to be sure, as this is rather uncommon (yet). |
| 19:16.38 | deepy | karlpinc: I have the key, I don't want to setup sshd to allow me to login with it |
| 19:16.43 | deepy | I want to use it to login to another PC |
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| 19:17.10 | deepy | Do I use -I? |
| 19:17.17 | deepy | err, -i |
| 19:17.17 | karlpinc | deepy: You might need a new client. I don't know the option. -I could be it. |
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| 19:17.54 | daemonkeeper | -l is the user |
| 19:18.04 | daemonkeeper | l(ogin) |
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| 19:18.56 | deepy | It's -i |
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| 19:19.34 | karlpinc | deepy: It works? (same -i flag as with a public/private key.?) |
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| 19:20.05 | daemonkeeper | Well, -i works today already with several types of keys (RSA, DSS, ...) |
| 19:20.17 | daemonkeeper | So why not |
| 19:20.26 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: Sure. |
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| 19:21.05 | deepy | karlpinc: Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 19:25.48 | tuggle | hi, does anyone know whether xts mode is necessary in loop-aes? |
| 19:26.52 | deepy | karlpinc: yes, -i works |
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| 19:29.55 | deepy | Which is the most efficient httpd? |
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| 19:30.11 | deepy | All I need is the ability to serve static content, virtual host and wsgi |
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| 19:30.52 | I-are- | can anyone help me figure out why my sound is not working with zsnes? |
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| 19:31.05 | robokop | deepy: lighttpd? |
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| 19:31.25 | I-are- | I have read some stuff on the net about oss emulation and I ran the modprobe commands but still nothing... |
| 19:31.33 | petemc | deepy: nginx is popular |
| 19:32.08 | deepy | petemc: I don't need popular, I need a minimum amount of CPU cycles :p |
| 19:32.19 | deepy | robokop: that's what I will go with if I can't find anything else |
| 19:32.23 | pipeline | deepy: believe it or not, tomcat |
| 19:32.34 | pipeline | deepy: tomcat is actually faster than apache at serving static content. Shocking, eh ? |
| 19:32.53 | pipeline | deepy: but it's also huge (memory) and complicated to configure. You probably really want apache, and don't care as much about efficiency as you thought you did ;) |
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| 19:33.06 | deepy | pipeline: I pay per cpu cycle |
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| 19:34.26 | entel | should packages for etch work with lenny? |
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| 19:35.18 | robokop | entel: should? no, perhaps do? yes |
| 19:35.30 | entel | robokop: wonderful :D |
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| 19:45.12 | karlpinc | deepy: I've used thttpd. Dunno if it meets all the requirements though. |
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| 19:47.53 | jhutchins_lt | What steps are necessary for dolphin to be able to browse a samba domain? |
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| 19:48.31 | jhutchins_lt | entel: Actually, mixing releases is a pretty good way to break a system. |
| 19:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | entel: What is it you actually want to do? |
| 19:48.44 | pyth0n3 | hi |
| 19:48.52 | jordanm | deepy: I would highly recommend not buying any shared hosting or VPS servers that charge you based on CPU usage |
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| 19:49.36 | jordanm | deepy: the webserver it self should not be an issue, but the applications you run on it may be |
| 19:49.42 | pyth0n3 | i cannot see my sdcard on debian, which module need to load |
| 19:49.46 | pyth0n3 | ? |
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| 19:49.57 | pyth0n3 | im using debian lenny |
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| 19:51.35 | CyL | Evening folks, I'm trying to install Mint on a system with encryptes LVM volumes, and it looks like Mint use plain Debian packages. I've been able to get the system bootin and asking for the LUKS password, and also getting the system to detect the LVM volumes, but for an unknown reason I'm getting dropped in the initamfs rescue shell... The setup is like this: hard disk -> partition -> luks -> lvm -> file system Any advice |
| 19:51.55 | jordanm | !lmde |
| 19:51.55 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 19:52.25 | CyL | jordanm: Sure, I don't want support on lmde, but the debian package itself... |
| 19:53.00 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: Doesn't matter, you're using it on mint. We can't help you. |
| 19:53.01 | jordanm | CyL: debian packages on anything other than debian are not supported here |
| 19:53.08 | CyL | jordanm: maybe you could point me some reading about debian's initramfs setup, I have bee googling around for some time now |
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| 19:53.40 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: Why not get help from the proper channel instead? |
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| 19:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: initramfs is exactly the kind of thing mint changes. |
| 19:53.59 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: I have been trying it for a few days now |
| 19:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: In that case, simply install Debian, and if it doesn't work we'll be able to support you. |
| 19:54.26 | jordanm | debian users get the benefit of asking questions in #debian :) |
| 19:54.34 | CyL | Lol... |
| 19:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | Also the benefit of answers that actually apply to the system they're using. |
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| 19:55.54 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: Okay, so I'll ask it differently... regarding the setup I have told before, is debian capable of being installed on it without deleting what I have already there? |
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| 19:56.07 | sphenxes | I have installed squeeze (debian) on my first hard drive. I am planning to buy a second hard drive and install windows xp on it. What is the best way to install windows xp after linux with the minimum work to reinstall grub. I would like to install the new hard drive (disconnect the linux harddrive) install windows then reconnect my linux hard drive. |
| 19:56.09 | sphenxes | of course i would have a problem with grub. can someone tell me the best way to go after that |
| 19:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | No, don't ask differently, don't try to trick people, ask mint support. |
| 19:56.33 | abrotman | CyL: go to the correct channel or install Debian .. This channel does not support distros other than Debian |
| 19:56.37 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: it is important to not that my system is encrypted with aes-xts-plain, and the installer doesn't seem to support that |
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| 19:57.29 | CyL | jhutchins_lt, abrotman: I'm not trying to trick people, I maybe have not expressed myself in the right way, but before trying to install Mint I was trying to install Debian, and changed my mind because of this |
| 19:57.41 | jordanm | sphenxes: just manually select the debian partition from the boot menu after you have both OS installed and hooked up, and run 'update-grub' as root |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | CyL: try #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 19:57.45 | robokop | sphenxes: boot from your linux hdd and run update-grub (if you are using grub2) or add a manual chainloader entry to your menu.lst if you are using grub-legacy |
| 19:57.54 | abrotman | CyL: either get a Debian installer, or go away |
| 19:57.58 | jordanm | sphenxes: that should be enough. ensure that your bios always boots to the debian drive with grub |
| 19:58.00 | CyL | jhutchins_lt, abrotman: so if you help me out, I could return to my original intention of installng debian |
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| 19:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 19:58.11 | stew | CyL: we can't help you with installing mint |
| 19:58.17 | sphenxes | thanks, jordanm , robokop |
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| 19:58.34 | Enverex | The .32 kernel doesn't support half my hardware but .36 does (i've been using 2.6.36-trunk from experimental) but I noticed there isn't a kernel-headers package for this version of the kernel in the repos for some reason. Can anyone suggest anything other than a manual kernel build? |
| 19:58.35 | CyL | Damn people, I already stated that I wih to install debian if I could work this out! |
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| 19:58.45 | CyL | *wish |
| 19:58.48 | jordanm | robokop: update-grub should work fine for grub-legacy as well |
| 19:58.52 | jordanm | robokop: lenny had os-prober |
| 19:58.59 | stew | CyL: ok, are you having trouble installing debian? |
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| 19:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 19:59.17 | robokop | jordanm: ke, didn't know that, long time since i had a dual boot on debian |
| 19:59.53 | jordanm | robokop: your advice would still have worked anyhow |
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| 20:00.14 | CyL | stew: Yes... I'm trying squeeze, and using the default netinst, I'm not able to get the installer recognizing my encrypted lvm volumes because it doesn't recognizes aes-xts-plain mode of encryption... |
| 20:00.23 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: I'll take a look right away |
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| 20:01.17 | Guest69307 | happy new year, i run debian with kde 3.5, for some reason switching layout keyboard shortcut doen's work, can someone help please? |
| 20:01.17 | jordanm | CyL: also on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm |
| 20:01.22 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bother i have this pciid 1002:5a61 video card on a machine. It is supposed to use the ati-agp module which is in place. But i can't change resolutions from 1280x768 to anyother. As a matter of fact it only displays this resolution on this particular monitor. |
| 20:01.33 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: the problem is that I'm not installing on a clean hard drive, it already have some volumes that I would like to keep |
| 20:01.44 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: We had some fool waste about four hours in here this weekend and his system just kept getting more and more broken, because he was applying debian fixes to an ubuntu system. I'm pretty sure he ended up re-installing, I don't know any other way out of the mess he made. |
| 20:01.44 | jordanm | ,pciid 1002:5a61 |
| 20:01.45 | judd | [1002:5a61] is 'RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5a61 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 20:02.23 | jordanm | tharkun: does "xrandr" display available resolutions? pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:03.04 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: Sure buddy, as I said I originally planned on installing Debian, and switched to Mint because I was unable to accomplish the task with debian... but If I could get it working I'll forget about Mint, you have my word :) |
| 20:03.35 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: backups! |
| 20:03.39 | jhutchins_lt | We don't mind if you want to run mint, it's just that we CAN'T help you with it. |
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| 20:03.56 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: And I also could join the channel disguising my intended use of your help, right? But I was clear right away... |
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| 20:04.15 | abrotman | Okay .. seriously .. either install Debian or go ask the Mint people .. stop arguing about this in the channel |
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| 20:04.28 | CyL | Okay, what must I do to convince you I want to run debian? |
| 20:04.33 | stew | CyL: nothing |
| 20:04.44 | stew | CyL: and we gave you instructions on how to do what you want, right? |
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| 20:05.07 | CyL | stew: not very much, But I didn't look at the wiki yet, let me take a look at it |
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| 20:05.20 | stew | CyL: what do you mean by "not very much"? |
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| 20:05.53 | maxorator | I want to make changes to the source files of PHP, but compiling from source would break installed php extensions, what should I do? |
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| 20:06.26 | CyL | stew: as I stated, I have some encrypted volumes on the hard disk that I would like to keep, but debian installer does not recognize the aes-xts-plain ecryption mode that I used |
| 20:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: We've tried to explain to you that deceiving us about what distro you're running is stupid and just wastes everybody's time, possibly resulting in an unusable system for you. |
| 20:07.01 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: If you don't want to help me this is okay, but don't call me a liar if you can't just believe a free man of good will... |
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| 20:07.21 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: That really doesn't matter - you can still install debian to other partitions. |
| 20:07.23 | stew | CyL: and the instructions on the wiki don't work? or what? |
| 20:07.43 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: not since the wholes disk is encrypted except for a small boot partition |
| 20:08.00 | jhutchins_lt | Then you'll have to go with the info on the wiki. |
| 20:08.06 | CyL | stew: no it won't work I already tried the wiki approach yesterday |
| 20:08.19 | sussudio | so... piggy kernel panicked this morning with something about EID _spin_lock. google doesn't really give me any satisfying result what this is supposed to mean. is it a kernel bug or what. |
| 20:08.24 | stew | CyL: using debootstrap? or using joeyh's installer? |
| 20:08.29 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: It's not like we're holding out on you. |
| 20:08.49 | tharkun | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/103702/ |
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| 20:09.01 | tharkun | jordanm: thx in advanced for your time |
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| 20:09.21 | NiveusLuna | Do I need to do any special setup on a debian server to make an ssh tunnel through it? |
| 20:09.28 | CyL | stew: yes, but instead I was following the debian installer guide instead of the wiki, since the wiki says it's outdated (the debian installer has a deboostrap guideline in the appendiz d.3 if i recall correctly) |
| 20:09.29 | tharkun | no |
| 20:09.34 | robokop | NiveusLuna: nope |
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| 20:09.46 | NiveusLuna | thanks. |
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| 20:09.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | Where can I set the filehandlers that gnome-open is using, on debian squeeze. |
| 20:10.17 | stew | CyL: so the wiki instructions which you weren't following don't work? how do you know? |
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| 20:10.39 | abrotman | !confuse stew |
| 20:10.39 | dpkg | Yes, who are their gerbil today, stew? Trousers of the Monarchy of Tahiti with extra crabpaste. |
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| 20:11.09 | Enverex | Does anyone here happen to be using a Vaio 11F? |
| 20:11.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's ridicoulus, gnome-open will try to open pdfs and a lot of other stuff with nautilus, wich will obviously fail |
| 20:11.27 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: right click, open with .. alter the settings |
| 20:11.36 | maxo | I've got a usb drive that keeps getting suddenly unmounted. The logs give "usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 9" - does that indicate a kernel level problem, or is it more likely to be hardware? |
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| 20:11.39 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: and there is a way to open it with nautilus IIRC |
| 20:11.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: that's the nautilus thing not gnome-open :/ |
| 20:11.55 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: Might be something useful here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
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| 20:12.17 | jordanm | tharkun: log looks fine. best I recommend is trying the proprietary drivers |
| 20:12.35 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's the third time~ |
| 20:12.36 | abrotman | ! |
| 20:12.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: I can open files in nautilus fine, but any application that relys on gnome-open fails to open a lot of files because it just passes them to nautilus ^^ |
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| 20:13.02 | jhutchins_lt | Heerm, messed up the pastebuffer. |
| 20:13.10 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: checked the man page? |
| 20:13.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: also, a hell of a lot of applications appear dublicate in the openwith dialog, but that's yet another issue |
| 20:13.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: ofcourse |
| 20:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry.. |
| 20:13.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: was the first thing I did |
| 20:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 20:13.30 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: no reference? (I don't have gnome here) |
| 20:13.46 | tharkun | jordanm line 562 No connected devices found! ?? |
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| 20:13.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: when I found out that gnome-open is the root of my issues ^^ |
| 20:14.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | " This program opens files using file handlers configured in GNOME." |
| 20:14.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | I searched the gconf stuff with gconf-editor |
| 20:14.26 | tharkun | I allready used this machine with a monitor that has the same model and it rendered fine. Any ideas? |
| 20:14.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | but couldn't find anthing usefull |
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| 20:17.39 | subsume | what's a good command line pastebin i can use? pastebinit isn't returning me a useful url |
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| 20:17.51 | abrotman | subsume: in lenny? |
| 20:17.56 | subsume | yes |
| 20:18.03 | abrotman | subsume: ask jordanm :) |
| 20:18.07 | subsume | hrmfp |
| 20:18.16 | norbert_ | ... | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:18.17 | chrisb | why no snoopy in testing? it seems like a nice tool to give me an audit trail |
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| 20:18.28 | jordanm | subsume: that happens sometimes when you are trying to send more data to the pastebin service then it allows |
| 20:18.36 | subsume | hmm... that could be it |
| 20:18.39 | jordanm | subsume: or, you haven't updated to > 5.0.6 |
| 20:18.55 | subsume | maybe i haven't. |
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| 20:19.01 | subsume | seems like a simple thing to have to upgrade for. |
| 20:19.03 | abrotman | gives jordanm a cookie |
| 20:19.10 | jordanm | subsume: it was completely broken and fixed in a point release |
| 20:19.16 | norbert_ | hi, I'm doing a dist-upgrade to squeeze, and apt is asking me for a 'Linux command line' for grub-pc; the suggested command line is empty; any ideas what I should enter? or just leave it empty? |
| 20:19.25 | subsume | yeah. |
| 20:19.32 | jordanm | norbert_: empty |
| 20:19.37 | norbert_ | jordanm: k, thanks |
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| 20:20.49 | jordanm | !tell subsume about wgetpaste |
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| 20:21.08 | jordanm | subsume: wgetpaste is nice because it does not have any depends. not packaged for debian though |
| 20:21.08 | subsume | woop thanks |
| 20:21.25 | subsume | apprec. |
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| 20:22.11 | tharkun | Does anyone know the url on debian.org to set a xorg resolution manually. The bot factoid would be fine also |
| 20:22.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: hell yeah I solved my issue |
| 20:22.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: there's a nifty tool called gconf-cleaner :> |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | weird ... |
| 20:22.46 | abrotman | tharkun: Xorg -configure |
| 20:22.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: it deleted 486 gconf keys and now it's working xD |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | tharkun: or xrandr .. or grandr |
| 20:23.03 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: icky |
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| 20:23.09 | jordanm | tharkun: I don't think you will be able to manually set a resolution in xorg.conf that is not detected by xrandr |
| 20:23.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: and my nm-applet is now even working as expected :D |
| 20:23.12 | jordanm | I could be wrong though |
| 20:23.18 | tharkun | abrotman: sorry i need to set the resolution first |
| 20:23.24 | thewanderer1 | hmm... anyone else getting the impression that gconf is becoming Windows Registry? |
| 20:23.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: gconf is almost as bad as the registry on windows... |
| 20:23.47 | jordanm | has been for as long as I have been using linux |
| 20:23.55 | tharkun | jordanm: no, i mean the procedure to tell xrand about a certain resolution. i only need 1024x768 atn 60HZ |
| 20:24.10 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the advice; I had already tryed the last link you gave me, but since I'm booting the debian installer from a "liveusb" created with unetbootin, it looks like I'm not able to pass boot options to the kernel... |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: i know ... |
| 20:24.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | using a program with cleaner in it's name on linux ^^ |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | tharkun: xrandr |
| 20:24.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | this is a sad day |
| 20:24.41 | thewanderer1 | any KDE4 users on board willing to tell me how to run KMail without it crashing on starting Akonadi? O.o |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | CyL: That shouldn't matter, boot options don't depend on media. |
| 20:24.57 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: I'll try stew's approach though |
| 20:25.00 | tharkun | abrotman: precisely i need that line to set the resolution with xrandr. ;P |
| 20:25.11 | jordanm | CyL: unetbootin is known not to work with lenny's installer |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | tharkun: man xrandr |
| 20:25.32 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I don't know ahy the liveusb won't let me pass boot options... maybe I have to hit some keys while it is still booting? |
| 20:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 20:25.42 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:25.52 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: I'd preffer squeeze instead of lenny |
| 20:26.01 | tharkun | abrotman: thx kind of slow today ;P |
| 20:26.46 | CyL | jhutchins_lt, jordanm: it does boot, but as I stated, it won't let me pass boot option, so I'm not able to boot into a rescue liveusb |
| 20:27.06 | jordanm | CyL: right, it will boot, but then d-i will fail to find the installation medium |
| 20:27.21 | jordanm | unless unetbootin fixed the issue |
| 20:27.40 | Enverex | Does anyone know how much longer .32 is going to be the current Kernel for? |
| 20:27.55 | CyL | jordanm: it seems not, as I believe I'm using the latest version (494 IRC) |
| 20:28.04 | jordanm | Enverex: 3 years or so |
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| 20:28.47 | Enverex | jordanm, Sorry, I should have rephrased. On Testing and Unstable. |
| 20:29.02 | jordanm | Enverex: until testing becomes stable |
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| 20:29.54 | Enverex | jordanm, I'm guessing that's a "how long is a piece of string" question then? |
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| 20:30.09 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 20:30.09 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 20:30.26 | stew | what is my approach? |
| 20:31.01 | Enverex | jordanm, My issue at the moment is that my sound card isn't supported in .32 hence the urgency to upgrade |
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| 20:31.11 | CyL | Just throwing a question from curiosity here... I thought that #debian had switched to OFTC some years ago... is it back to freenode/ |
| 20:31.14 | CyL | ? |
| 20:31.31 | jordanm | Enverex: debian provides an alsa-source package that you can build with module-assistant |
| 20:31.36 | jordanm | ,versions alsa-source |
| 20:31.37 | judd | Package alsa-source on i386 -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1; etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1; lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2 |
| 20:32.00 | Enverex | jordanm, Hrm, I thought that would conflict with the kernel. I'll try that then |
| 20:32.02 | jordanm | Enverex: don't know if that is newer than what already exists in the kernel or not, but you can try |
| 20:32.11 | jordanm | Enverex: no, its setup to allow for that |
| 20:32.11 | dkr | !tell CyL about oftc move |
| 20:32.43 | Enverex | jordanm, 36-trunk worked well which is annoying because they never made a linux-headers for that one. Any idea why not? |
| 20:32.55 | CyL | dkr: thnks |
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| 20:33.15 | jordanm | Enverex: you can build headers for it |
| 20:33.16 | dkr | yes, I do think occasionally |
| 20:33.17 | jordanm | !kbuild |
| 20:33.17 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 20:33.21 | stew | CyL: no, #debian never moved. irc.debian.org changed what it pointed to. both channels existed before and still exist after |
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| 20:37.08 | abrotman | thought he saw a note about moving the alias back to freenode |
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| 20:39.52 | stew | that would suprise me |
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| 20:43.09 | worm | Hi, i'm not able to kill a process even with -9 flag ... What can I do please ? |
| 20:43.21 | worm | here is the ps -x entry : |
| 20:43.25 | worm | 16669 ? Zl 153:48 [oregon-core] <defunct> |
| 20:43.35 | worm | PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND |
| 20:44.17 | Arrowmaster | zombie processes cant be killed |
| 20:44.20 | Arrowmaster | they are already dead |
| 20:44.29 | stew | worm: /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 20:45.15 | worm | okay but how do i find their parents ? |
| 20:45.24 | daemonkeeper | ptree |
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| 20:46.20 | worm | ptree 16669 = no such command :o |
| 20:46.24 | Arrowmaster | ps -f has a PPID column |
| 20:46.48 | worm | oh it was pstree |
| 20:47.07 | worm | $ pstree 16669 |
| 20:47.08 | worm | oregon-core---{oregon-core} |
| 20:47.16 | worm | it seems this zombie doesnt have any parent.. |
| 20:47.48 | Arrowmaster | try ps -fp 16669 |
| 20:48.03 | Arrowmaster | if PPID is 1 then youll have to reboot to remove it |
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| 20:48.57 | worm | ok i killed ppid and it worked, thanks |
| 20:49.02 | peterrooney | i always use "ps -ef f | most" for the big picture |
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| 20:50.16 | worm | indeed |
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| 20:51.25 | i | hi, does kde 4 runs in debian? |
| 20:52.10 | daemonkeeper | Yes, for Squeeze and beyond. |
| 20:52.27 | daemonkeeper | Backports may (or may not) exist. Don't know. |
| 20:52.34 | Guest23 | is it heavy in resources? |
| 20:52.35 | stew | they do not |
| 20:53.23 | daemonkeeper | KDE tends to be heavy, yes. At least comparable heavy to the other big desktop environment. |
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| 20:53.44 | Guest23 | thanx |
| 20:53.45 | edwin_quijada | Can I download my emails using mutt ? |
| 20:54.12 | daemonkeeper | If you have a reasonable fast computer you may be ok though. |
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| 20:54.49 | Guest23 | i have an amd 1,6 with 1.25 ram |
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| 20:55.49 | daemonkeeper | Well try it. That may be within the range where KDE starts to be usable. Of course there do exist lighter environments. |
| 20:56.08 | daemonkeeper | Don't try desktop effects though ,) |
| 20:56.49 | Guest23 | well... i guess i 'll stick with 3.5 |
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| 20:58.41 | Guest23 | a weird thing, 3.5 has a bug with keyboard layout switch, managed to find a solution here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3091461.0 but now i have 2 flags, on greek one usa |
| 20:58.43 | abrotman | squeeze only has kde4 |
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| 20:59.57 | Guest23 | can i get rid of the one that doesnt show the switch and works only with a click? |
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| 21:01.53 | Guest23 | nevermind |
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| 21:03.09 | motoko_ | I have a xp box in my network. I do nmap 192.168.1.- -sP and it doesnt show up. If i ping the machine with ping it responds. does anybody know what is happening? |
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| 21:07.00 | abrotman | motoko_: nmap 192.168.1.0/24 -sP ? |
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| 21:07.52 | vtts | motoko_, are you runing nmap -sP as root? |
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| 21:08.32 | abrotman | hasn't see the .- notation |
| 21:08.35 | abrotman | seen |
| 21:08.52 | homie | does anyone use opmpi or mpi here ? |
| 21:09.05 | homie | and have problems with the headers ? |
| 21:09.22 | valdyn | !homework |
| 21:09.22 | dpkg | homework is, like, something you should do yourself. |
| 21:09.37 | abrotman | homie: there are MPI channels on this network |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | or .. there used to be ... |
| 21:10.44 | daemonkeeper | homie: Problems like what? Linking? |
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| 21:13.30 | xiaoy | how can i install OpenFWWF b43 drivers (http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/) |
| 21:13.38 | xiaoy | on debian squeeze |
| 21:14.28 | xiaoy | i have Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 wireless pci card |
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| 21:15.47 | xiaoy | i tryed to follow this guide (of course changing the commands and adapting them to debian, ex: i didn't install the kernel suggested) but doesn't work :( |
| 21:15.57 | dondelelcaro | xiaoy: patch the kernel, put the firmware in the proper location, and build a new kernel, then boot off of it |
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| 21:16.15 | dondelelcaro | xiaoy: you'll have to match the kernel to whatever version the patches are for. |
| 21:16.47 | dondelelcaro | xiaoy: and honestly, since it's still in development, if any part of it is confusing, it's asking a lot for someone to walk you through it |
| 21:16.50 | daemonkeeper | Or hope that APIs didn't change at least. |
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| 21:17.52 | tharkun | Gentlemen what am i supposed to do when there is no powerdev group on a machine. How can i add it? |
| 21:18.04 | xiaoy | dondelelcaro, TKZ |
| 21:18.25 | CyL | Well, following the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm, after installer grub-pc, and when configuring the package, the configuration scripts says it was unable to install grun on the proper device, any advice? |
| 21:18.56 | CyL | stew: any advice? |
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| 21:21.13 | adrian15 | CyL: Usually you need to setup a dedicated /boot partition based on probably ext3 |
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| 21:22.04 | CyL | adrian15: sure I do, but shouldn't grub be able to install itself on the MBR of the disk? |
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| 21:22.55 | adrian15 | CyL: Did you run the grub-install command manually? Or do you mean from normal Debian installation ? |
| 21:23.07 | CyL | jhutchins_lt, jordanm: any advice? |
| 21:23.28 | CyL | adrian15: I'm installing debian through debootstrap |
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| 21:25.36 | adrian15 | CyL: In that case I suppose that apt-get install grub-pc that does not run grub-install to the MBR but I am not sure of it |
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| 21:26.39 | CyL | adrian15: it looks like it runs an installer script, maybe a dpkg-reconfigure something |
| 21:27.59 | frikinz | humm my machine only sees my usb devices when I issue something like lsusb.. interesting.. wakeup/resume problems again |
| 21:28.17 | adrian15 | CyL: So if you want grub to be installed on the mbr you should run manually something like: grub-install /dev/sda inside the chroot |
| 21:29.12 | adrian15 | CyL: And make sure that /boot is mounted inside the chroot |
| 21:29.15 | CyL | adrian15: it already presents me with the disks whose mbr I want to install grub to, but selecting the proper disk issues an error message... |
| 21:29.33 | CyL | adrian15: I'll recheck that, thanks |
| 21:29.38 | derobert_work | dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc will prompt to install grub |
| 21:30.59 | eldowan | if I copy data from one disk to another, via rsync or cp, would chrooting to the copied disk, and then running grub-install do a full install on the second drive? |
| 21:31.20 | frikinz | eldowan: yes |
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| 21:31.32 | derobert_work | eldowan: well, you'll have some weirdness, like persistent net devices in /etc/udev |
| 21:31.44 | derobert_work | eldowan: (assuming this is a different machine) |
| 21:31.48 | eldowan | So, how would I work around that, without doing a dd or regular image. |
| 21:31.49 | edwin_quijada | I am downloading emails with getmail without problem but this emails have a attachment and I want to sepaarte this attachment and send to another directory . Cant I ? |
| 21:31.55 | eldowan | same machine, different drive derobert_work |
| 21:32.12 | frikinz | eldowan: maybe change some fstab entries also.. |
| 21:32.39 | frikinz | I also change grub UUID although I'm surprised I have to do this |
| 21:32.43 | derobert_work | eldowan: watch out if you're using filesystem UUIDs or labels, you'll need to change those |
| 21:32.46 | eldowan | Yeah, i'd have to do that too. But the base idea should work, correct? other than data and grub, it should be alright? |
| 21:33.01 | adrian15 | CyL: If it fails again, please use pastebin to report the error if it is too big |
| 21:33.05 | derobert_work | eldowan: also make sure to exclude /sys, /proc, etc. when doing rsync, but yeah, the idea is sound |
| 21:33.12 | CyL | adrian15: okay |
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| 21:33.39 | eldowan | derobert_work: I used ls -ax I believe. Shouldn't have crossed FSs, I think |
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| 21:33.57 | derobert_work | eldowan: well, make sure you rsync'd /boot then |
| 21:34.04 | derobert_work | (if that's on a different partition) |
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| 21:37.01 | pythoned | I did an install of squeeze with a debian dvd i386 but it keeps installing the amd64 version. Why and how can I make it install the i386 kernel? |
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| 21:37.24 | derobert_work | pythoned: if you switch the debconf priority to low, it should prompt you which kernel to install |
| 21:38.02 | pythoned | derobert_work, I'm a beginner. Didn't understood that. If it helps I did a graphical install. |
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| 21:38.44 | derobert_work | pythoned: if your system is installed, you can just install the linux-image-2.6-i686 package in the package manager |
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| 21:39.25 | Dantix | hi all, I've just installed ltsp on lenny. My problem is the workstations boots on a graphical shell not to gdm, surely I forgot install something, what could be that? |
| 21:39.44 | derobert_work | pythoned: (I think that is the correct name) |
| 21:40.14 | pythoned | derobert_work, Ohh yeah, by any chance...do you know how the name of the package with pae for the linux kernel? And also how to remove amd64 kernel from grub? |
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| 21:40.54 | derobert_work | pythoned: once you have it installed, reboot, select it from the menu, and if the machine still boots fine, you can remove the -amd64 package. Removing the -amd64 package will get the entry out of grub |
| 21:41.08 | pythoned | derobert_work, Ok, thanks so much. |
| 21:41.26 | derobert_work | pythoned: I think the pae packages have 'bigmem' in them or somesuch |
| 21:42.14 | derobert_work | pythoned: so lenny's is linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
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| 21:42.29 | pythoned | derobert_work, I'm running squeeze. |
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| 21:42.37 | jhutchins | pythoned: If you have a 64b system installed it's not going to be happy with a 32b kernel. |
| 21:42.50 | derobert_work | pythoned: same name, just with 2.6.32-5 then, I believe |
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| 21:43.10 | pythoned | jhutchins, The problem is that the system is 32 bit and the kernel is 64 |
| 21:43.22 | jhutchins | pythoned: I seriously doubt that. |
| 21:43.22 | daemonkeeper | pythoned: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem note what jhutchins said. |
| 21:43.24 | pythoned | jhutchins, I have a t4300 intel and 4gb of ram. |
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| 21:43.49 | derobert_work | jhutchins: well, if he sees the -686 kernels in his package manager, he has a 32-bit system installed. |
| 21:43.51 | valdyn | pythoned: why is it a problem that the kernel is 64-bit? |
| 21:44.03 | jhutchins | 32b binaries don't work on 64b kernels and vice-versa. |
| 21:44.11 | pythoned | valdyn, Adobe flash which I use a lot sadly. |
| 21:44.14 | valdyn | jhutchins: err |
| 21:44.15 | daemonkeeper | *that* is wrong jh |
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| 21:44.21 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins: |
| 21:44.31 | stew | 32 bit binaries certainly work on 64 bit kernels |
| 21:44.33 | daemonkeeper | You can safely run a 64 bit kernel in a 32 bit userland |
| 21:44.36 | derobert_work | pythoned: is there a reason you want 32-bit kernel, btw? |
| 21:44.43 | valdyn | pythoned: is that bug documented? |
| 21:44.45 | daemonkeeper | Natively or on demand |
| 21:44.51 | pythoned | derobert_work, Adobe flash.... |
| 21:45.03 | eldowan | derobert_work: Thanks. Yeah, I moved /boot over as well. |
| 21:45.12 | jhutchins | pythoned: There's a 64b flash available. |
| 21:45.13 | daemonkeeper | *g* we had this discussion already today stew ;) |
| 21:45.14 | derobert_work | pythoned: that needs a 32-bit userland, not 32-bit kernel. You should be fine with a 64-bit kernel |
| 21:45.33 | pythoned | jhutchins, I have it installed but it runs like hell. |
| 21:45.34 | derobert_work | pythoned: and actually, there is a 64-bit flash, though its alpha |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | he has no use for 64b flash |
| 21:45.53 | valdyn | why is that even being brought up? |
| 21:46.04 | daemonkeeper | That's the real question. |
| 21:46.20 | pythoned | derobert_work, I know, but sadly still beta. |
| 21:46.39 | daemonkeeper | I know there are multi-arch images, but for DVD's I would not know of i386/amd arch images at once. |
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| 21:46.41 | valdyn | pythoned: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit debian? |
| 21:46.49 | derobert_work | pythoned: but anyway, have you tried flash with your 64-bit kernel/32 bit system? It should work fine. |
| 21:46.51 | pythoned | valdyn, amd64 |
| 21:47.14 | pythoned | derobert_work, With 64 kernel it works like hell....32 bit it runs great and I have no issues |
| 21:47.17 | valdyn | pythoned: you gave the impression that you were running an amd64 kernel with 32-bit userland |
| 21:47.34 | pythoned | valdyn, That's what I am running. |
| 21:47.35 | daemonkeeper | pythoned: What exactly did you use to install your system? Would you mind to show me the image source? |
| 21:47.58 | pythoned | daemonkeeper, It's a i386 dvd debian squeeze for the website. |
| 21:48.02 | valdyn | pythoned: the stock debian kernel should be ok for you |
| 21:48.04 | daemonkeeper | which exactly. |
| 21:48.15 | valdyn | pythoned: no good reason to use bigmem |
| 21:48.53 | derobert_work | daemonkeeper, etc.: only the i386 sources have the -i686 kernels in squeeze. AMD64 only has amd64 kernels (which makes sense, of course, since 64-bit system/32-bit kernel will not boot) |
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| 21:49.24 | pythoned | daemonkeeper, Sadly I can't remember. |
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| 21:49.55 | pythoned | Well thanks for the help. |
| 21:50.07 | daemonkeeper | derobert_work: I know, I was just wondering what exactly pythoned did, to install a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland. That's not _that_ easy to do it accidentally. |
| 21:50.07 | derobert_work | pythoned: I'm surprised a 32-bit kernel works better with flash... but I guess flash is surprising in many ways. |
| 21:50.29 | derobert_work | daemonkeeper: no, it's very easy, it's the default |
| 21:50.34 | valdyn | i guess the kernel is not even the real issue |
| 21:50.37 | daemonkeeper | for squeeze? |
| 21:51.15 | derobert_work | daemonkeeper: its been a while since I tried it, but last time I tried it, if you install 32-bit on a 64-bit-capable machine, it'll default to a 64-bit kernel |
| 21:51.28 | derobert_work | daemonkeeper: that is, after all, supposed to work |
| 21:51.39 | valdyn | derobert_work: thats not the default in debian |
| 21:51.45 | daemonkeeper | derobert_work: I recently installed x86 sid on my 64 bit capable notebook and got a x86 kernel. |
| 21:51.48 | daemonkeeper | So I doubt that. |
| 21:52.04 | derobert_work | ok, it must have changed then, either that or I'm crazy. |
| 21:52.12 | derobert_work | it has been a while |
| 21:52.15 | valdyn | derobert_work: debian does not even check the cpu, it just installs the default kernel, whatever that is right now |
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| 21:52.48 | daemonkeeper | I know there are multiboot netinst images where you can choose the arch to be installed. Since pythoned didn't state to use that, I was wondering how he produced that result |
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| 21:53.17 | daemonkeeper | As said, its safe to do so, but I was wondering how one would do that accidentally ;) |
| 21:53.18 | derobert_work | maybe it asks on priority low? |
| 21:53.27 | derobert_work | well, easy enough to find out, time to fire up a vm |
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| 21:55.12 | derobert_work | I don't have a squeeze i386 iso, it seems :-( |
| 21:55.39 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 21:56.06 | derobert_work | yeah, it'll just take a while to download one, that's all |
| 21:56.57 | tharkun | jordanm, abrotman: FTR everything works fine. it was a faulty video cable. Changed it and voila i can read everything now |
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| 21:58.04 | aphrek | HI all, I'm trying to update my kernal to 2.6.32 - using backports - I'm currently in Lenny & I get linux-base: Depends: libuuid-perl which is a virtual package. |
| 21:58.04 | aphrek | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: |
| 21:58.11 | aphrek | any ideas? |
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| 21:58.37 | daemonkeeper | What does aptitude suggest you? |
| 21:59.06 | stew | aphrek: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 21:59.31 | stew | libuuid-perl isn't a virtual package, i'm guessing he removed his main repo |
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| 22:01.03 | aphrek | thanks all -the pastebin is n3XGahhY |
| 22:01.11 | daemonkeeper | *g* |
| 22:01.11 | stew | aphrek: what is the url? |
| 22:01.29 | aphrek | sorry - http://pastebin.com/n3XGahhY |
| 22:01.45 | daemonkeeper | You are right steffen- |
| 22:01.48 | daemonkeeper | *stew |
| 22:02.03 | stew | aphrek: yeah, you don't actually have a main debian repository. what country are you in? |
| 22:02.07 | aphrek | uk |
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| 22:02.38 | stew | aphrek: add "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run "aptitude update", then try again |
| 22:02.41 | aphrek | I wonder how I messed that up |
| 22:03.05 | aphrek | thanks stew/daemonkeeper |
| 22:03.07 | daemonkeeper | Likely you replaced the main repository with backports rather than extend it with that. |
| 22:03.10 | aphrek | appreciate it |
| 22:03.13 | aphrek | ahh |
| 22:03.20 | aphrek | I see - a bit dim! |
| 22:03.25 | aphrek | thanks again |
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| 22:04.08 | xiaoy | is there an how to on how to modify a deb package: i need to delete a file from a pkg :D |
| 22:04.09 | derobert_work | aphrek: also, it appears you need to read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ ... in particular, the section on editing /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:04.32 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Read the Debian (new) maintainer guide. |
| 22:04.51 | xiaoy | daemonkeeper, ok tkz |
| 22:04.52 | tharkun | Gentlemen when i installed this lenny the group powerdev was not created. Is there some factoid that states how it can be done. Or at least a google keyword that will point me in the right direction |
| 22:05.13 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Or more briefly man deb/dpkg-deb and some more |
| 22:06.14 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Actually you don't need to modify the package at all though. It's enough to build it from source |
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| 22:06.25 | aphrek | derobert_work - were there other errors? |
| 22:06.57 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: read about Debian source packages (apt-get source, ...) |
| 22:07.11 | derobert_work | aphrek: it looks like you didn't edit /etc/apt/preferences, because apt-cache policy showed a prio of 1, not 200 |
| 22:07.12 | xiaoy | daemonkeeper, i just need to get the pkg, then unpack it, delete a file from inside, and remake a new pkg :) |
| 22:07.39 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Well, its easier to build it from source then. That leaves you the possibility to hook up. |
| 22:07.58 | aphrek | I see- thanks |
| 22:07.59 | derobert_work | aphrek: that's not necessarily an error (its possible you don't want auto-updates), but I'm guessing it is. |
| 22:08.04 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Otherwise, just extract it, replace the data.tar.gz within the archiv and glue it together again. |
| 22:08.10 | xiaoy | daemonkeeper, you say to get the source of the pkg, then delete the file from inside and make a new pkg? |
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| 22:08.26 | daemonkeeper | xiaoy: Yes. This is a semi-automatic process. |
| 22:08.38 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 22:08.44 | daemonkeeper | just delete/modify whatever you want before packaging again |
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| 22:09.01 | zmitya | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.09 | zmitya | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/314037/ |
| 22:09.18 | daemonkeeper | ... because its not a dynamic executable? |
| 22:09.27 | daemonkeeper | (at all/for your arch) |
| 22:09.47 | derobert_work | zmitya: because it's statically (i.e., not dynamically) linked |
| 22:10.01 | daemonkeeper | Yes. Mention the "statically linked" |
| 22:10.17 | derobert_work | zmitya: someone probably thought that'd gain some additional performance from mysql. |
| 22:10.41 | derobert_work | zmitya: whether it does or not, and if it does if it matters, I have no idea. |
| 22:10.44 | RichiH | hmm, aren't all lists on alioth supposed to have a report spam button in their archives? |
| 22:10.48 | zmitya | derobert_work: hmm, let me check the configure parameters |
| 22:10.48 | roe | anyone recommend a good Tex gui front-end? |
| 22:10.51 | RichiH | or am i confuzzeled? |
| 22:11.05 | derobert_work | roe: LyX |
| 22:11.12 | daemonkeeper | or kile. Depending on what you want |
| 22:11.34 | zmitya | daemonkeeper, derobert_work: hmm, I forgot it: --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static |
| 22:11.45 | zmitya | sorry, thanks |
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| 22:12.20 | stew | RichiH: are you thinking of the bts perhaps? |
| 22:12.40 | RichiH | maybe that's where the confusion is coming from |
| 22:12.52 | roe | Thanks |
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| 22:13.54 | CyL | how to force aptitude to reinstall a given package? |
| 22:14.18 | daemonkeeper | man aptitude. Straight on the top ;) |
| 22:14.33 | CyL | daemonkeeper: resintall doesn't seem to be working |
| 22:14.40 | CyL | daemonkeeper: *reinstall |
| 22:14.57 | daemonkeeper | What do you expect it to do wich isn't done? |
| 22:15.09 | lordnazgul | kind of in a conundrum. I have a script that I would like to schedule, but the purpose of the script is to display text on the screen and beep until the user hits a key (to remind them to change tapes) However cron runs in the background. Is there any way I can attach it to a tty? |
| 22:15.57 | CyL | daemonkeeper: the package is already installed, and I want it to be reinstalled (replacing all files); using reinstall won't work, do I need to purge it first and than reinstall? |
| 22:16.14 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: you could open the tty device in /dev and attach to it, I believe... |
| 22:16.24 | daemonkeeper | If someone is asking like you, he typically wants to replace existing configuration files? |
| 22:16.39 | CyL | daemonkeeper: everything |
| 22:16.49 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: but this behavior would probably be considered fairly obnoxious. |
| 22:16.56 | CyL | daemonkeeper: including rerunning the installs cripts |
| 22:17.13 | daemonkeeper | Do you look perhaps for dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 22:17.40 | CyL | daemonkeeper: I'd prefer an aptitude reinstall as stated |
| 22:17.48 | lordnazgul | derobert_work obnoxious is good, its actually what I am going for, but how would I open the device and attach to it. |
| 22:17.52 | CyL | daemonkeeper: is there such an option? |
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| 22:19.43 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: well, you'd open it with the open syscall. If you have no controlling terminal, and open a terminal, it becomes your controlling terminal unless you pass O_NOCTTY |
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| 22:19.52 | zmitya | CyL: is apt-get install --reinstall package good for you ? |
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| 22:20.21 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: if you don't want it to be the controlling terminal, you can still write to it... Not sure exactly how to pull off reading from it |
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| 22:20.38 | CyL | zmitya: works perfectly, thanks |
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| 22:20.46 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: but possibly try a programming channel, this is actually POSIX stuff, not really Debian stuff |
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| 22:21.16 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: you could also of course have your reminder program just own a tty, and run it out of inittab |
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| 22:23.10 | lordnazgul | derobert_work that was actually one of my thoughts, but I couldn't switch to that tty for some reason 8:23:respawn:myscript.bash |
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| 22:23.28 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: chvt |
| 22:23.40 | xiaoy | in which pkg is stored dch command? |
| 22:23.56 | xiaoy | i need to install to bould a pkg :) |
| 22:24.08 | xiaoy | s/install/install it/ |
| 22:24.30 | derobert_work | lordnazgul: also make sure you did a kill -HUP 1 after editing said file, of course |
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| 22:25.10 | lordnazgul | derobert_work: telinit q, but thanks I think you may have pointed me in the right direction |
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| 22:32.56 | frikinz | xiaoy: devscripts. Install apt-file to know such things. apt-file -x search /dch$ |
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| 22:35.18 | pythoned | I see there is no package for firefox, do you have to download it from it's website? |
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| 22:35.31 | stew | pythoned: its renamed to iceweasel in debian |
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| 22:36.35 | pythoned | stew, But it was criticized about it's security updates, and not implementing all of firefox's patches. |
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| 22:37.06 | gigo | how can I install daytime server? |
| 22:37.06 | stew | pythoned: where is this? |
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| 22:37.35 | stew | pythoned: one of the reasons that it is renamed is so that we can provide security fixes for it. if we don't rename it we are not allowed to provide security fixes |
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| 22:38.43 | pythoned | stew, My iceweasel is 3.5.16 when firefox is 3.6.13 |
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| 22:39.05 | frikinz | my iceweasel is 4.0b7 |
| 22:39.18 | stew | pythoned: that sounds right |
| 22:39.24 | pythoned | stew, Isn't iceweasel supposed to be 3.6.13?I'm running squeeze |
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| 22:39.40 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 22:39.42 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-3~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-3; experimental: 3.6.13-1 |
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| 22:39.52 | stew | pythoned: no, see above, 3.5.16 is current for squeeze |
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| 22:40.27 | pythoned | stew, Ok, thanks for making it clear for me. |
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| 22:40.55 | stew | pythoned: and the only known security issue is with < 3.0.7. see http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/iceweasel |
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| 22:43.36 | Agiofws | http://ht.ly/3xBeR |
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| 22:45.24 | gigo | how can I install daytime server? |
| 22:45.33 | stew | Agiofws: wrong channel |
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| 22:48.25 | gigo | how can I install daytime server? |
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| 22:50.21 | tom__ | hi - I am running squeeze and since today I cannot update/install new packages anymore. the following deb-src http://distro.ibiblio.org/debian/ squeeze main fails to verify or sends NODATA messages |
| 22:50.41 | tom__ | has something changed since I installed it about 2 weeks ago? |
| 22:51.51 | nsadmin | but... why can't you install packages? |
| 22:52.37 | nsadmin | the deb-src line or the mirror it's pointing at wouldn't be the reason unless you're using that mirror elsewhere in your sources.list... speaking of which, pastebin it |
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| 23:00.46 | xiaoy | frikinz, TKZ |
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| 23:03.34 | tom__ | nsadmin - actually you're right the error for installing a new packet is - Size mismatch . And that's for htop. Strange |
| 23:03.57 | ctp_ | hi folks. anyone has a hint how to copy the first 500 files from a dir to another? |
| 23:05.11 | nsadmin | tom__, I hav to leave in about 1 min... you should still pastebin your sources.list and someone will look at it |
| 23:06.13 | adrian15 | ctp_: With an script that read files from a stream till the counter variable is 500 or something like it? |
| 23:06.51 | ctp_ | was hoping, there's a simple loop or something like that ;-) |
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| 23:07.08 | tom__ | that's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/5SE4DXp4 |
| 23:07.22 | frikinz | ctp_: ls -1 | head -500 | while read i; do mv "$i" DIR; done |
| 23:07.54 | tom__ | no it's not - sorry |
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| 23:09.30 | ctp_ | frikinz: cool, works fine. thx ;_) |
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| 23:10.58 | slon | hi |
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| 23:17.55 | kaeles | I'm having issues with gem on lenny, should I ask in here about it? If so, its whenever I install a gem, from then on, the gem command doesn't work anymore, and i have to delete the .gem folder in root to make it do anything, is there a different way I should be doing it? |
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| 23:44.11 | linux_direction | hi room. the heading said etch no longer on mirrors. does this mean that it is not available on the main server? |
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| 23:45.26 | ginet | check archive.debian.org |
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| 23:46.19 | linux_direction | thanks ginet : ) |
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| 23:46.45 | linux_direction | hope you have a great day. bye4now : ) |
| 23:46.56 | linux_direction | is away -[ Be Back Later ]- at 10:55:a -[ P:On / L:On ]- |
| 23:46.57 | ginet | yw :) i have a raq4 machine with sarge using archive.debian.org |
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| 23:47.20 | linux_direction | is back -[ Be Back Later ]- gone 25 s |
| 23:47.31 | stew | linux_direction: please turn that off in here |
| 23:47.33 | linux_direction | hey thats sounds great g0bl1n. |
| 23:47.55 | linux_direction | um, yeah sorry. im new to IRC. thing. |
| 23:48.06 | linux_direction | something came up. |
| 23:48.28 | linux_direction | do you know what i have done wrong. and how i can rectify my action? |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | you didn't ask a question ? |
| 23:48.57 | linux_direction | sorry g0bl1n. i meant ginet. |
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| 23:49.13 | linux_direction | i did ask a question. |
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| 23:49.19 | linux_direction | and ginet. answered me. |
| 23:49.25 | abrotman | the topic also tells you to msg a bot |
| 23:49.46 | linux_direction | oh. i don't know how to msg a bot. |
| 23:49.48 | ginet | set archive.dbian.org etch main in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:49.54 | ginet | sorry fgor typos |
| 23:50.04 | linux_direction | oh Wow. thanks ginet. |
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| 23:50.35 | linux_direction | would mind private message me ginet? |
| 23:50.37 | ginet | hope actually trust it will run smoothly |
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| 23:50.47 | stew | linux_direction: why would you use etch instead of a currently supported release? |
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| 23:51.47 | robokop | why o why does find always give me missing argument to -exec to me |
| 23:52.09 | linux_direction | coz i wish to turn an old p2 in into a file server/sorage machine. |
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| 23:52.30 | stew | robokop: it needs to be terminated with either ; or + (which have different semantics) |
| 23:52.36 | linux_direction | and to also make the move from win to lin : ) |
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| 23:52.45 | stew | linux_direction: ok, but why would you use etch instead of the current release? |
| 23:52.58 | ginet | use samba and meeet both ends |
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| 23:53.20 | linux_direction | um coz the latest gives me samba problems. |
| 23:53.21 | robokop | stew: what is wrong with this: find . -type d -exec 'chmod ug+x {};' |
| 23:53.34 | abrotman | linux_direction: sounds like oyu've configured it badly |
| 23:53.42 | linux_direction | maybe i did something wrong at install time. |
| 23:53.46 | linux_direction | oh. |
| 23:54.01 | linux_direction | well the install proces seem to have worked with a problem. |
| 23:54.07 | linux_direction | it booted up Okay. |
| 23:54.10 | stew | robokop: if you execute that in a shell your shell would think that the ; is indicating a command separator and not pass it to find, try "find . -type d -exec 'chmod ug+x {} \;" the \ to tell the shell to ignore it |
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| 23:54.23 | ginet | find . -type d -exec chmod ug+x {} \; |
| 23:54.23 | stew | linux_direction: what problems do you have with samba? |
| 23:54.56 | robokop | i thought i prevented that with putting it in single quotes |
| 23:55.05 | stew | robokop: (and, using "{} +" instead of "{} \'" would do the same thing but more efficiently, since it would only call chmod once instead of once per process |
| 23:55.06 | linux_direction | but when i went to share something on the newly installed linux machine. it said that the samba sevice need to be installed. |
| 23:55.11 | stew | robokop: oh, right then add a space |
| 23:55.55 | linux_direction | i followed what it said. and what i could work out on the net. |
| 23:56.11 | linux_direction | but it then said samba was already installed. |
| 23:56.26 | ginet | apt-get install samba smbfs |
| 23:56.27 | stew | linux_direction: how were you trying to share something? with some clicky interface somewhere? or by editing smb.conf? |
| 23:56.32 | ginet | and use cifs |
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| 23:56.56 | ginet | mount -t cifs |
| 23:56.56 | linux_direction | so i just thought. that the latest deb, must have also had a new samba component. hence which is why i am trying an outdated version of deb. |
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| 23:57.08 | linux_direction | clicky interface |
| 23:57.36 | tharkun | How can i find what [program|file] is responsable for creating the powerdev group, and how can i set it up since i have xfce installed fresh? |
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| 23:58.03 | linux_direction | hey stew, thanks for your interest to help? |
| 23:58.19 | stew | linux_direction: the samba in the curent release would be a few years old now |
| 23:59.11 | linux_direction | hmmm. oh Okay. um. im not sure what to do, from here. can i just share with the room my objective? |
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| 23:59.45 | stew | sure |
