| 00:00.01 | HideMe | karlpinc_ Ok, but apache is what is held. |
| 00:00.10 | karlpinc_ | cogsu: There's a channel for ppc (#debian-ppc ??). You could always do a telinit 1 after boot. Otheriswe that's a boot loader question. |
| 00:00.40 | karlpinc_ | cogsu: Which is not to say you should not ask here, just gives you a pointer as to where to rtfm. |
| 00:00.42 | cogsu | ppc doesn't seem that active |
| 00:00.53 | cogsu | and I asked |
| 00:01.03 | cogsu | what's the boot option in grub on x86? |
| 00:01.36 | frikinz | 1 |
| 00:01.45 | frikinz | add 1 at the end |
| 00:01.49 | karlpinc_ | cogsu: You add "single" to the kernel line. |
| 00:01.59 | jordanm | HideMe: you can pastebin apt-cache policy and the output of what it wants to upgrade |
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| 00:02.19 | HideMe | jordanm sure, what do I find the cache? |
| 00:03.20 | karlpinc_ | HideMe: apt-cache is a command. |
| 00:03.59 | jordanm | HideMe: "apt-cache policy" |
| 00:05.30 | HideMe | jordanm got it... whats the best way to copy the list of packages to be upgraded? |
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| 00:06.00 | jordanm | !tell HideMe about paste |
| 00:06.54 | HideMe | jordanm no no... I mean the output of what it wants to upgrade. I can't just cut it from within aptitude. |
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| 00:09.37 | jordanm | HideMe: use interactive aptitude. aptitude full-upgrade -y -s |
| 00:09.46 | jordanm | err, non-interactive |
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| 00:11.22 | HideMe | jordanm This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. lol |
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| 00:12.22 | Bushmills | HideMe: shift-leftmousebutton |
| 00:13.31 | HideMe | Bushmills There ya go! Thanks. |
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| 00:14.04 | HideMe | jordanm http://pastebin.com/e3Udxeae |
| 00:15.22 | jordanm | HideMe: paste the entire output of "aptitude full-upgrade -s -y" |
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| 00:16.53 | HideMe | jordanm http://pastebin.com/c1hJR5uV |
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| 00:17.37 | jordanm | HideMe: that looks fine, run it without the -s |
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| 00:19.21 | HideMe | jordanm ok, updated. Still dunno why it did that though. |
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| 00:22.28 | HideMe | Thanks for your time. |
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| 00:25.14 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm uncertain whether I have found a bug or not, could I get assistance ? |
| 00:25.32 | stew | Bert_2: sure |
| 00:26.22 | Bert_2 | stew: it concerns the pure-ftpd-mysql package in lenny |
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| 00:26.40 | Bert_2 | the init.d daemon script thing contains some kind of error |
| 00:26.53 | Bert_2 | and because of that, it doesn't seem to be able to start at all |
| 00:27.00 | Bert_2 | it doesn't trow anything at you |
| 00:27.25 | Bert_2 | I think it has something to do with the usage of old ` quotes, though I'm not sure |
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| 00:27.40 | tifflor | can someone help me to find out why I can't change the serial port speed with setserial on my gsm modem? I get the following errors for stty: stty: /dev/ttyUSB0: unable to perform all requested operations for the stty . And for setserial this one: and setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB2 Cannot get serial info: Invalid argumentsetserial -a /dev/ttyUSB2 Cannot get serial info: Invalid argument |
| 00:27.45 | stew | Bert_2: try running "bash -x /etc/init.d/whatever start" which will give you more clues about where it is failing |
| 00:27.55 | stew | Bert_2: perhaps put it in a pastebin for us to see |
| 00:28.10 | Bert_2 | will do |
| 00:28.12 | Bert_2 | give me a sec. |
| 00:29.57 | Bert_2 | stew: http://pastebin.com/Hr1X48vz the script and the bash output |
| 00:31.34 | stew | Bert_2: its setup to run via inetd instead of running via the init script, so the init script stops without doing anything |
| 00:32.10 | Bert_2 | I see |
| 00:32.12 | Bert_2 | that's odd |
| 00:32.22 | Bert_2 | that was not the expected behavior |
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| 00:32.37 | Bert_2 | is inetd the prefered method nowadays ? |
| 00:32.51 | stew | Bert_2: iirc this is set via debconf, try "dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd" or "dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-comon" |
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| 00:33.30 | Bert_2 | the server is now rebooting, I'll try afterwards |
| 00:33.49 | Bert_2 | well, it didn't ask me to chose when I installed the packages |
| 00:34.49 | Bert_2 | okey wait, it's working now |
| 00:35.03 | Bert_2 | no idea, what I did, but it works |
| 00:35.09 | Bert_2 | sorry to have bothered you stew |
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| 00:37.29 | martianlobster | I ran dpkg --get-selections on one box and saved the output to a text file. How do I use this text file to install these packages on a new debian box? |
| 00:37.49 | martianlobster | I can't figure out how to use dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:38.35 | martianlobster | I did dpkt --get-selections > dpkg.txt on the first box |
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| 00:39.35 | martianlobster | when I do dpkg --set-selections < dpkg.txt nothing happens on the other box |
| 00:41.09 | martianlobster | I guess I will just put the output into a text edditor and write a script which does an apt-get install for every package name |
| 00:41.55 | crazygir | less of a debian question, but might be debian on xen.. I just added a new virtual interface to a debian xen vm of mine, and while both interfaces show up in the xen vif list for this vm, debian only sees one |
| 00:42.15 | crazygir | could debian be involved here, or does that seem like a xen thing? |
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| 00:42.38 | crazygir | only one interface (eth0) shows up in dmesg |
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| 01:12.14 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 01:12.33 | ZenWalker | thousan separators on gcalctool, not rules |
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| 01:17.26 | HeXiLeD | i have been having a shoucast problem with debian boxes for a while now and today i can confirn that is with he OS itself. when i try to open the shoutcast webadmin @ http://url:port i get Connection closed by remote server. i wonder if i am missing some libs somewhere needed for support . any ideas ? |
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| 01:18.55 | tlchack5 | !reference |
| 01:18.55 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 01:20.25 | HeXiLeD | should have rented a gentoo box |
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| 01:21.06 | tlchack5 | what ftp program would you guys recommend? I'm trying to set up a debian FTP server that saves to a directory I am hosting out via Apache. I'm going to mount the FTP as a folder in windows and save music to it. |
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| 01:21.33 | HeXiLeD | glftp |
| 01:21.38 | HeXiLeD | glftpd |
| 01:21.49 | HeXiLeD | or if you want something more simple. vsftpd |
| 01:22.10 | tlchack5 | I'm newish to Debian and I have never set up a ftp server before |
| 01:22.25 | HeXiLeD | but for local user dir ... u may want proftpd |
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| 01:22.59 | tlchack5 | alright cool, thanks |
| 01:23.04 | HeXiLeD | glftpd = advanced server | vsftpd middle ground | proftpd basic |
| 01:23.14 | HeXiLeD | you can also just use sftp |
| 01:23.21 | HeXiLeD | sshd --> sftp |
| 01:23.30 | HeXiLeD | and no need to install anything else |
| 01:23.47 | HeXiLeD | it will go right to the users home dir and its encrypted |
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| 01:24.31 | HeXiLeD | aptitude remove debian-reference (waste of time) |
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| 01:24.41 | gregbu | hi all |
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| 01:24.57 | tlchack5 | hmm... sftp doesn't seem like it will fully acomplish what I'm looking to do. debian-reference was for another project |
| 01:24.57 | uriahheep | hello |
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| 01:25.19 | gregbu | lynx and w3m does not provide ssl webpage browsing how to solve this issue? |
| 01:25.22 | HeXiLeD | what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:25.25 | uriahheep | is is possible to have InputClass'es in xorg 7.5? |
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| 01:25.47 | tlchack5 | what ftp program would you guys recommend? I'm trying to set up a debian FTP server that saves to a directory I am hosting out via Apache. I'm going to mount the FTP as a folder in windows and save music to it. |
| 01:25.54 | tlchack5 | ^^ |
| 01:26.28 | HeXiLeD | you want to mount the remote debian ftp diredctory on windows ? |
| 01:26.37 | tlchack5 | mount as a folder in windows -> save music -> ftp saves to a directory -> apache hosts out over the web |
| 01:26.53 | HeXiLeD | using samba ? |
| 01:27.07 | HeXiLeD | and its not folder. its directory. |
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| 01:27.23 | HeXiLeD | do you know how to mount it ? |
| 01:27.34 | tlchack5 | I'm going to use explorers built in ftp support |
| 01:27.48 | HeXiLeD | what a mess |
| 01:28.12 | tlchack5 | yup, its going to be hacked together but it should get the job done with occasional maintanance lol |
| 01:28.23 | HeXiLeD | mount it with samba. |
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| 01:28.45 | HeXiLeD | or sshdfs + cygwin |
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| 01:28.59 | HeXiLeD | anyway... what you want to do that way is messy as hell |
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| 01:29.33 | HeXiLeD | and apache will be running on windows ? |
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| 01:30.45 | tlchack5 | everything other than downloading and saving music is linux side. so basically ftp, apache, etc will all be on linux. Windows will think its just uploading to one of its local folders/directories and linux will think its just accepting a normal ftp transfer |
| 01:31.00 | HeXiLeD | ok. |
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| 01:31.19 | deepy | ftp saves to a dir sounds like a job for FUSE |
| 01:31.21 | mogaj | when using sshfs to connect to remote server i am getting this error "read: Connection reset by peer" |
| 01:31.29 | HeXiLeD | setup samba on linux. connect the directory from windows as a remote drive |
| 01:31.52 | HeXiLeD | this is the way to go. not with explorer |
| 01:32.09 | tlchack5 | so no ftp at all? download will be taken care of with samba? |
| 01:32.10 | deepy | net use Z: \\server\directoryy |
| 01:32.10 | dcedilotte | mogaj: did you make sure to open the port in your router? |
| 01:32.13 | HeXiLeD | mogaj: is regular sshd working ? |
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| 01:32.39 | HeXiLeD | and you need fuse support |
| 01:33.21 | mogaj | dcedilotte : how can i do that / |
| 01:34.02 | HeXiLeD | r u serious with that question ? |
| 01:34.17 | mogaj | HeXiled : till yesterday it worked while using sshfs ... now it doesnt work ... how can i see if sshd working or not / |
| 01:34.28 | tlchack5 | okay. Ill do some quick research on samba and fuse then. Thanks |
| 01:34.30 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.00 | HeXiLeD | if it connects its running . |
| 01:35.07 | HeXiLeD | then ssh user@ip |
| 01:35.25 | HeXiLeD | tlchack5: you only need one of the options |
| 01:35.38 | tlchack5 | so either samba or fuse?? |
| 01:35.45 | HeXiLeD | with sshdfs the remote mount will be encrypted |
| 01:35.47 | HeXiLeD | yes |
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| 01:36.47 | HeXiLeD | but windows wount support it unless some closed source tool is around. go with samba |
| 01:37.01 | tlchack5 | okay |
| 01:37.43 | HeXiLeD | and install swat ( webgui) - easier |
| 01:38.48 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: Not really easier, the choices are just as mysterious. |
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| 01:39.09 | tlchack5 | k |
| 01:39.21 | HeXiLeD | for his linux experience will be. |
| 01:39.21 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: A basic samba file share is painless working from the default config. There's built-in examples. |
| 01:39.31 | HeXiLeD | i know. |
| 01:39.42 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: He does need to know how to type text into a file, yes. |
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| 01:40.30 | HeXiLeD | now my problem still remains and this is a debian problem with shoutcast |
| 01:40.54 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: And then he does need to either reboot or restart the smb daemon. (BTW, that's: /etc/init.d/samba restart) |
| 01:40.54 | HeXiLeD | the server is up and all my browsers get Connection closed by remote server |
| 01:41.17 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: What do the logs say on both ends? |
| 01:41.40 | HeXiLeD | no errors. but let me check |
| 01:42.49 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: I know nothing of shoutcast. Just the basics of debugging. Use netstat -l to see if the server is listening. Check the logs. Start the client from the command line to see if it issues errors. Stuff like that. |
| 01:42.51 | bp0 | is alpha dropped in debian 6? |
| 01:43.14 | HeXiLeD | if i refresh the page it opens but fails after |
| 01:43.30 | karlpinc_ | bp0: /msg dpkg alpha seems to indicate so. |
| 01:43.34 | HeXiLeD | yah running |
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| 01:44.08 | HeXiLeD | going to try to run it with xinit |
| 01:44.12 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: Worst case you could use tcpdump and wireshark to see what's on the wire. Or try again later when someone knows something. |
| 01:44.37 | HeXiLeD | um.... i have this issue with 3 debian boxes |
| 01:44.46 | HeXiLeD | on 3 different countries |
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| 01:45.01 | bp0 | karlpinc_, bummer |
| 01:45.07 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: Make sure you can connect (perhaps using netcat or socat) to be sure the client can reach the server. |
| 01:45.19 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: Any firewalls? Sounds udp-ish. |
| 01:45.28 | HeXiLeD | if i send the stream the shoutcast shows the webpage |
| 01:45.35 | HeXiLeD | so it works |
| 01:45.46 | HeXiLeD | but it is just a weird error |
| 01:45.53 | karlpinc_ | HeXiLeD: You're beyond what I know of the app at this point. |
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| 01:46.07 | HeXiLeD | np. tks for the attention |
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| 01:54.06 | bp0 | mogaj, ~/.gvfs/... |
| 01:54.24 | jordanm | mogaj: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:54.34 | bp0 | oh i mean, this is #debian, ask #ubuntu |
| 01:54.48 | bp0 | but jordanm beats me to it |
| 01:54.49 | mogaj | ok thank u |
| 01:55.13 | ziroux | mogaj: type mount |
| 01:55.33 | bp0 | ziroux, won't show in mount |
| 01:55.39 | bp0 | only shows the gvfs root mount |
| 01:56.25 | ziroux | bp0: i see :] |
| 01:56.46 | mogaj | yes it shows root mount |
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| 02:13.51 | mogaj | i dont have ssh access in remote server ... now can i use sshfs / |
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| 02:42.33 | mogaj | how can i delete a ssh known host entry |
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| 02:42.57 | meltphace | mogaj: should be a line for it in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
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| 02:43.26 | mogaj | meltphace : its encrypted .. |
| 02:44.18 | dondelelcaro | mogaj: man ssh-add |
| 02:44.33 | dondelelcaro | mogaj: err, ssh-keygen, rather |
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| 02:45.26 | j`ey | how can I ise dpkg to make a local installation? |
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| 02:47.21 | dondelelcaro | j`ey: dpkg doesn't do local installations. |
| 02:47.21 | mogaj | dondelelcaro:am getting this outpu ssh-keygenGenerating public/private rsa key pair.Enter file in which to save the key (/root/.ssh/id_rsa): |
| 02:47.32 | dondelelcaro | mogaj: you did read the manpage right? |
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| 02:47.53 | j`ey | dondelelcaro: oh, can I do it with apt get? |
| 02:48.15 | dondelelcaro | j`ey: no. local installations aren't really supported. You can get at them using dpkg-deb and similar tricks, but it's fairly complicated to do right |
| 02:48.42 | j`ey | gr |
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| 02:50.52 | dondelelcaro | perhaps now would be the time to ask your real question |
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| 02:51.47 | Moult | i've uninstalled everything with the name sendmail in it from aptitude but i still have a /etc/init.d/sendmail, any ideas why? |
| 02:52.26 | peterrooney | Moult: apt-file search /etc/init.d/sendmail |
| 02:53.45 | Tramp | !tell Moult -about purge |
| 02:54.06 | dondelelcaro | Moult: aptitude purge sendmail-bin; removing packages doesn't remove their configuration files. |
| 02:54.22 | peterrooney | Tramp: I doubt /etc/init.d/ counts as a config file |
| 02:55.17 | peterrooney | s# /etc/init.d/ # /etc/init.d/sendmail # |
| 02:55.33 | Moult | peterrooney: yeah, that's why i dind't suspect purge |
| 02:55.38 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: what else would it be? |
| 02:55.47 | dondelelcaro | if it's in /etc, it's a configuration file. |
| 02:55.55 | Tramp | peterrooney: what makes you think that? |
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| 02:56.18 | Moult | /etc/conf.d <-- config files :) |
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| 02:56.32 | dondelelcaro | Moult: uh, no. |
| 02:57.00 | Tramp | !conffiles |
| 02:57.01 | dpkg | [conffiles] /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.conffiles. Ask me about <confmiss>, <confnew>. |
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| 02:57.52 | dondelelcaro | conffiles and configuration files are different things; conflating them will only lead you to confusion |
| 02:58.07 | Moult | ok, my bad. |
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| 02:59.20 | peterrooney | having just lookied into it, i've discoverd that the init script is, indeed, listed in the deb's conffiles. I feel silly now. |
| 02:59.24 | dondelelcaro | (though it is a fairly common thing to get confused, so don't feel too bad about it) |
| 02:59.28 | peterrooney | !smite me |
| 02:59.28 | dpkg | smites peterrooney with a plague of characters from an unknown locale |
| 02:59.32 | Tramp | yw |
| 02:59.46 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: right, but it all configuration files are not conffiles... so even if it wasn't listed there, it would still be a configuration file |
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| 03:00.07 | peterrooney | my conflation confuses me. |
| 03:00.26 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: conffile is a special type of configuration file which is handled directly by dpkg |
| 03:01.11 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: Debian Policy 10.7.3 disambiguates this a bit |
| 03:01.32 | dondelelcaro | (well, all of 10.7, really) |
| 03:01.35 | Moult | thanks folks, that cleared up that confusion |
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| 03:04.54 | under | Hi. |
| 03:04.55 | under | I done a IRC BOT in Java. How can I run it in background mode? (I made a JAR) |
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| 03:06.48 | Moult | under: java -jar mybot.jar & |
| 03:06.56 | Moult | (i think?) |
| 03:07.11 | tlchack5 | what does chmod mean when it says how many hard links there are to a file? |
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| 03:08.19 | Moult | tlchack5: a hard link is basically a link to the file (similar to a shortcut). |
| 03:08.25 | under | Moult: http://pastebin.com/WaNdMCdt |
| 03:08.45 | Moult | tlchack5: the difference is that with shortcuts, once the source file is deleted, none of the shortcuts, or soft links, will work |
| 03:09.08 | Moult | tlchack5: whereas with hard links, as long as a single hard link exists, the "source file", if you could call it that, still exists and is accessible by one of the hard links |
| 03:09.42 | Moult | under: yes...and? you can close that console and it'll still run i think |
| 03:10.07 | tlchack5 | Moult: So when you delete a file with hardlinks, the file is only removed from that directory, it still exists until all the hardlnks pointing to it are deleted and then the file gets deleted? |
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| 03:10.22 | Moult | tlchack5: correct. |
| 03:10.32 | tlchack5 | Moult: Awesome :-) Thanks |
| 03:10.34 | Moult | tlchack5: very useful in making staged backups. |
| 03:11.11 | under | Moult: I've not the prompt |
| 03:11.28 | tlchack5 | Moult: What if you have a file with a hardlink pointing to it and you alter the source file. that alters all the hard links correct? |
| 03:11.32 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: if you know how unix filesystems work, it'll become more obvious; basically, every thing stored on a filesystem has an inode, and filenames in the filesystem point at inodes. |
| 03:12.00 | Moult | tlchack5: yes, because as dondelelcaro described very nicely, you're altering what's in the inode |
| 03:12.23 | tlchack5 | okay cool. That actually makes sense :-P |
| 03:12.43 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: if you look at the ls -l output, you'll see some more things that'll make it clearer; every file has at least one hardlink to it |
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| 03:13.11 | tlchack5 | so the location in the directory is, in itself, a hard link? |
| 03:13.19 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: but if you do, say; touch foo; ln bar foo; ls -l; you'll now see -rw..... 2 blah blah blah foo |
| 03:13.23 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: yes |
| 03:13.50 | tlchack5 | dondelelcaro: Awesome! That actually pretty freakin sweet. |
| 03:14.00 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: the only issue is that hardlinks cannot span filesystems. |
| 03:14.20 | dondelelcaro | (and you normally can't hard link directories) |
| 03:14.22 | tlchack5 | so it has to be in the same partition as the inode? |
| 03:14.26 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: yes |
| 03:14.30 | Moult | dondelelcaro: normally? |
| 03:14.52 | dondelelcaro | Moult: technically, directories contain hardlinks themselves... but you generally can't create them |
| 03:15.06 | dondelelcaro | Moult: .. is a hard link to the previous directory, and . is a hardlink to the current directory |
| 03:15.12 | Moult | ah |
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| 03:15.46 | dondelelcaro | though in that case, they can span filesystems, and they don't point at inodes |
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| 03:15.57 | dondelelcaro | (so maybe it's confusing to call them hardlinks) |
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| 03:24.01 | raz | is there a way to figure out how much network traffic a given pid has consumed? |
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| 03:27.36 | Tramp | raz: none I know of, neither ex-post nor ex-ante |
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| 03:28.14 | raz | i'm playing with a little monitoring thinger here that shows this info by pid |
| 03:28.19 | raz | and i wonder how it does it |
| 03:28.22 | raz | closed source sadly |
| 03:29.05 | raz | ah well, it doesn't seem to be very precise anyways |
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| 03:31.44 | Tramp | conceptionally some sort of netstat/ss in a tight loop, combined with packet sniffine (or netfilter logging) for a best-effort approach |
| 03:31.57 | raz | yea sounds nasty enough |
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| 03:32.07 | AntiSociaL | howdy |
| 03:32.14 | AntiSociaL | any devs in here? |
| 03:32.16 | raz | i had hoped there was perhaps some socket accounting in procfs that i didn't know of |
| 03:34.09 | dondelelcaro | AntiSociaL: best to just ask your question |
| 03:34.32 | AntiSociaL | trying to compile native c code into android from debian lenny armel |
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| 03:36.02 | Edgardoweb | hi |
| 03:36.08 | mmnicolas | RoboDinosaur: |
| 03:36.32 | RoboDinosaur | Hi! |
| 03:37.13 | mmnicolas | AntiSociaL: that's just a statement, not a question |
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| 03:38.46 | AntiSociaL | ok... |
| 03:39.05 | AntiSociaL | does anyone know how to compile native c code into android from debian lenny armel? |
| 03:39.37 | AntiSociaL | i can compile it but im stuck with either 500k programs from 10 lins of code or libc conflicts |
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| 03:44.33 | AntiSociaL | ok thanks, that answered all my questions |
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| 03:59.33 | dyek | Hi! I was building Debian Testing linux-image Xen amd64 source package using "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" and it was interrupted after hours of build. Is there a straightforward way to incrementally rebuild? I suspect that typical source package tools aren't modeled to do incremental build, but I hope there is a straightforward way to do that, instead of having to restart everytime I apply a patch. Can dpkg-buildpackage do incremental build co |
| 03:59.34 | dyek | ntinue from where it was interrupted? |
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| 04:01.24 | karlpinc_ | dyek: You may be better off invoking "make" directly until you get what you want and then packaging it. There could be a way to do it with the packaging tools. I don't know. |
| 04:01.35 | karlpinc_ | dyek: "make" does this for you. |
| 04:02.01 | karlpinc_ | dyek: (If the Makefile is properly written.) |
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| 04:07.45 | stew | dyek: do you really want to be building it with dpkg-buildpackage instead of kernel-package? you are going to be building the kernel many times, you are going to make a openvz kernel, a vserver kernel, a xen kernel, the corresponding -headers packages, a -source package... |
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| 04:17.30 | dyek | karlpinc_, stew: Thanks! I'll look into that. |
| 04:17.52 | stew | dyek: see /msg dpkg kp |
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| 04:21.36 | chrono_ | hello guys, i need some help. does anyone get some problem trying to compile 2.6.37? |
| 04:22.07 | chrono_ | i get some problems about control |
| 04:22.16 | chrono_ | does anyone have a clue? |
| 04:22.32 | dvs | chrono_: I can compile it but my wireless doesn't work. |
| 04:22.36 | PhoenixGI | nope And you can take that any way you want |
| 04:22.58 | gnarface | ok so like, i'm having this problem with pidgin and icq. it seems to have been happening for a few weeks now but i thought i'd found a workaround - basically what happened is it started failing to log me on; the fix was easy (it was in fact reversing a setting that i had set in response to the same problem some months/years ago - the clientlogin/ssl thing) but now i've just realized that even though i can log on and i can send/r |
| 04:22.58 | gnarface | eceive messages again, i can't see ANYONE who is online in my buddy list -- does anyone have info about this issue? |
| 04:23.21 | chrono_ | dvs are you i386? what version of make-kpkg are you using? |
| 04:24.09 | dvs | chrono_: I'm using amd64 with kernel-package 12.036+nmu1 |
| 04:24.38 | karlpinc_ | stew: How does kernel-package compare with make-kpkg? |
| 04:24.59 | stew | karlpinc_: kernel-package is the name of the package containing make-kpkg |
| 04:25.06 | chrono_ | ty dvs |
| 04:25.10 | karlpinc_ | *facepalm* |
| 04:25.19 | dvs | chrono_: mp |
| 04:25.23 | stew | :) |
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| 04:25.39 | stew | karlpinc_: so it compares favorably |
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| 04:27.24 | gnarface | i'm the last person using icq, aren't i? |
| 04:29.30 | Zitman | gnarface: yes, did you not get the memo? ICQ is so 2010. |
| 04:30.01 | gnarface | must have missed the memo because he couldn't log on to icq |
| 04:35.12 | gnarface | ok well here's the second question |
| 04:35.24 | f00li5h | gnarface: nah, i'm still on there... |
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| 04:36.21 | gnarface | f00li5h: when icq changed the network in december and you re-checked use clientLogin did your online friends show up again after that? |
| 04:36.41 | f00li5h | hahaha |
| 04:36.43 | gnarface | my second question of the night: how do i delete swap pages manually, by the program that created them |
| 04:36.50 | f00li5h | I don't use the ICQ client |
| 04:37.03 | gnarface | f00li5h: i don't either. i assumed you're using pidgin like me |
| 04:37.10 | f00li5h | I use bitlbee, I do not give a shit who's birthday it is, or that someone wants to start a web conversation or that tehre are profiles or ... |
| 04:37.15 | f00li5h | gnarface: bitlbee! |
| 04:37.26 | f00li5h | it is maintained and everything |
| 04:37.38 | gnarface | f00li5h: aah. does it do aim, yahoo and gtalk too? |
| 04:37.46 | stew | gnarface: yes |
| 04:37.48 | f00li5h | yahoo, i think |
| 04:37.51 | f00li5h | gtalk, no idea, don't have one |
| 04:37.56 | stew | it does |
| 04:38.04 | Zitman | pidgin does icq |
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| 04:38.19 | gnarface | stew: would you also concur that bitlbee is better than pidgin? |
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| 04:38.30 | gnarface | Zitman: yea for some values of "does" |
| 04:38.48 | stew | gnarface: i've never used pidgin. they use the same underlying library iirc. one is gui, the other is irc |
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| 04:39.05 | Zitman | yeah, you could say that about most of the protocols that pidgin "does" |
| 04:39.06 | stew | uhhh, its a lie to say that i've never used pidgin, but i don't use it |
| 04:39.07 | gnarface | stew: really? they're both based on libpurple? |
| 04:39.52 | gnarface | neat |
| 04:39.53 | stew | checks |
| 04:40.08 | stew | hmm, perhaps not |
| 04:40.08 | gnarface | i see bitlbee-libpurple in the packag elist |
| 04:40.28 | gnarface | maybe its optional |
| 04:40.34 | gnarface | i like the idea |
| 04:40.50 | gnarface | i still wish pidgin didn't suck though |
| 04:40.56 | stew | it works well until people want to do stuff like send you files over aim |
| 04:41.16 | stew | or something |
| 04:41.19 | gnarface | eh, that's more or less the same type of problems pidgin typically has |
| 04:41.31 | stew | but if all you want to do is chat with people, it works |
| 04:41.36 | gnarface | icq seems to throw it off every 14 months or so |
| 04:41.41 | Zitman | i agree with that, but i am using for this right now |
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| 04:43.22 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 04:43.30 | gnarface | so anyone know how to delete swap pages manually? |
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| 04:43.37 | f00li5h | quit your moaning and submit some damn patches |
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| 04:43.44 | f00li5h | patch it or shut it. |
| 04:43.52 | gnarface | f00li5h: noted |
| 04:44.37 | gnarface | suspects it may be a amd64-only bug |
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| 04:48.14 | gnarface | i want to browse my swap partition like a filesystem so i can randomly delete swap pages that piss me off. anyone got any advice for how to do that? |
| 04:48.38 | stew | gnarface: something tells me you are going down the wrong path |
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| 04:48.50 | Zitman | are you sure you are producing swap? that usually goes untouched by most systems |
| 04:48.55 | gnarface | stew: story of my life |
| 04:49.02 | gnarface | Zitman: oh yes... i'm quite sure |
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| 04:49.26 | tlchack5 | why is it when I type ls -l in a directory with 1 file it says total4 |
| 04:49.33 | gnarface | Zitman: actually i should caveat that; it's not *me* producing swap directly - its a misbehaving program |
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| 04:50.07 | Zitman | ah, i see, did you check the bug reports page? |
| 04:50.55 | tlchack5 | is it the files I've deleted in the past? |
| 04:51.07 | stew | tlchack5: because 4k is being used? |
| 04:51.26 | stew | tlchack5: i'd guess that you have 4k blocks and the single file is less than 4k |
| 04:51.39 | tlchack5 | the size is = 24 |
| 04:51.40 | gnarface | Zitman: its not a program that is in the debian repository. i've submitted bug reports but i'm not sure whether they care. they claim to be "working on it" and have been for several months now. its a very leaky program. I don't think any of them have tested it on amd64 either |
| 04:51.45 | stew | tlchack5: and if you increase the size of that file to 5k, it will say "total 8" |
| 04:52.13 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: it's just the number of blocks allocated in that directory |
| 04:52.22 | tlchack5 | okay cool |
| 04:52.23 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: normally not terribly useful, but there for historical reasons |
| 04:52.37 | tlchack5 | kk thanks |
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| 04:52.45 | dondelelcaro | tlchack5: info ls; for the complete details |
| 04:53.06 | Zitman | gnarface: so this program produces swap, and you eventually run out of space? |
| 04:54.23 | gnarface | Zitman: yes, slowly fills main memory, then swap, then finally grids the system to a complete halt while the harddrive thrashes out of control. if i wait too long to exit out of X ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't even work |
| 04:55.00 | gnarface | Zitman: i started watching it happen with repeating calls to free -mt |
| 04:55.10 | Rusty1 | and can the source be with him ? |
| 04:55.23 | Zitman | ouch, that doesn't sound good |
| 04:55.47 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: so kill off that program, and all of its memory will be freed |
| 04:56.06 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: you can't randomly kill pages in swap, because that'd cause everything to explode |
| 04:56.26 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: i know. but killing off the program does NOT free the memory. only exiting X completely frees it |
| 04:57.07 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: it frees all of the memory that the program is using, and if you've killed all of the things using the X resources, those will be freed as well. |
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| 04:57.25 | GinTonic | hello everyone |
| 04:57.49 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: ps aux --forest doesn't show any other related processes running. could there be anything else using those resources besides the video card driver? |
| 04:57.55 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: you can check to see if that is actually the issue using xrestop; or similar |
| 04:58.39 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: without knowing what program this is, I can't tell you; if it's not actually the program using the memory, but X, it's most likely because it was using an X resource. those get freed fairly quickly when everything using them goes away |
| 04:59.54 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: that is what i had always thought, but something seems to make this situation anomalous. i won't mention the program because its not a debian program. i was asking how to ransack my swap for revenge |
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| 05:00.13 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip on xrestop, i'll check it out |
| 05:00.35 | GinTonic | i can set up my printer,i have installed printconf,and the model of the printer is hp laserJET 1012 |
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| 05:02.21 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: incidentally do you know of a way that i could restart X in a way that would keep all my programs running? |
| 05:02.27 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: you can see what is using which pages of memory looking at /proc/<pid>/maps or similar |
| 05:02.37 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: no, there's no way to do that |
| 05:02.41 | gnarface | ok |
| 05:02.48 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you're doing something like xnest, or xmove or similar) |
| 05:03.42 | gnarface | xnest |
| 05:03.44 | gnarface | now that looks neat |
| 05:04.02 | gnarface | sound performance heavy but could be useful for other stuff, thanks |
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| 05:07.29 | GinTonic | PostScripti can set up my printer,i have installed printconf,and the model of the printer is hp laserJET 1012 |
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| 05:18.40 | GinTonic | i can set up my printer,i have installed printconf,and the model of the printer is hp laserJET 1012 |
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| 05:22.52 | stew | ruh roh: 14719 www-data 18 0 23.9g 11g 124 R 49.7 96.2 2:09.78 httpd |
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| 06:03.10 | shortcircuit | My xterm doesn't seem to be emitting the x11 bell event. I'm running the 'awesome' window manager, which implements a number of XDG standards, and PulseAudio, with the module-x11-bell loaded. All other audio (playback, recording, ALSA wrapper, straight to pulse, etc) seems to work. |
| 06:03.23 | shortcircuit | What's left to check? |
| 06:05.14 | f00li5h | are you running screen, with the bell muted? |
| 06:05.34 | shortcircuit | I'm testing without screen. |
| 06:05.53 | shortcircuit | (the screen session works fine from work via PuTTY, so I'm confident I've got that end of things figured out.) |
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| 06:06.42 | shortcircuit | Hm. Interesting bit of info. |
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| 06:07.01 | shortcircuit | I just dropped over to a console tty, and "tput bel" is also silent. |
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| 06:09.51 | shortcircuit | How do I list the termcaps for a given session? |
| 06:10.12 | shortcircuit | scratch that; I'll dig into this again later in the week. |
| 06:10.18 | shortcircuit | lurks |
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| 06:10.41 | dyek | Running "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image" command in linux-2.6-2.6.32 source package directory appears to not find configuration information that should have been set up in my earlier "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" interrupted run. How to make make-kpkg uses exactly the same package configuration? (Presumably used by dpkg-buildpackage?) |
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| 06:13.16 | dyek | stew: ... if you have the answer handy... ^^^ |
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| 06:18.13 | linuxfreaker | When is debian 6.0 gonna announce? |
| 06:18.16 | linuxfreaker | any idea? |
| 06:19.07 | jimmybgood | linuxfreaker: this year, I'll bet |
| 06:19.26 | f00li5h | umm, wait for the announcement |
| 06:19.30 | f00li5h | that's what announcements are for |
| 06:19.42 | f00li5h | also, you could join the team, i'm sure if you were submitting patches they'd tell you |
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| 06:44.17 | xaxes_work | hey all |
| 06:44.50 | xaxes_work | Im missing some C related manual pages and I dont know what package does them provide.. could somebody tell me the right package? |
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| 06:49.10 | dondelelcaro | xaxes_work: you probably want manpages-dev |
| 06:49.20 | dondelelcaro | xaxes_work: but otherwise, /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:54.38 | dyek | OK, I managed to proceed over the hurdle I posted above. I am continuing with rebuilding the kernel... |
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| 06:55.37 | xaxes_work | dondelelcaro: thank you, gonna looking for manpages-dev |
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| 06:57.49 | xaxes_work | dondelelcaro: yeah, manapges-dev brings me the right ones :) thanks! |
| 06:57.51 | xaxes_work | bye |
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| 07:47.46 | swilson06 | is there a way to figure out who or what started a process? i've looked in /proc and can't seem to find anything? |
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| 07:55.25 | jimmybgood | ps u <pid> lists the user and command that started the process |
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| 07:59.39 | swilson06 | yeah, but what started it? ie, if i create a cron job as root, it's going to tell me that root started a process and not crond. if i have an init script that starts at boot i'm going to get root. |
| 08:00.13 | swilson06 | granted, i should have log entries, but i want more of a system level process for getting at these things. |
| 08:03.00 | Holden | swilson06, try ps -ef , you can see the ppid |
| 08:03.34 | Holden | or ps -ef f |
| 08:05.11 | jimmybgood | swilson06: or pstree gives an ascii art chart of the parental heirarchy |
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| 08:06.46 | swilson06 | ps -ef f is pretty good. though, i don't see a good way of seeing how a service was started..... |
| 08:07.47 | swilson06 | what brought up this question, i've already killed :( centos had two yum processes sitting there for an hour and i wanted to check for updates. i couldn't figure out what might have started it, so i killed it. |
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| 08:37.40 | nsadmin | well I finally got my x up... what I didn't know, is a plain X no longer gets you the plain gray background and the X cursor, so I didn't realize the thing was working, pretty much the whole time |
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| 08:42.52 | Name1ess | how to find out my distro version? |
| 08:43.19 | jelly-home | Name1ess: lsb_release -a, perhaps |
| 08:43.29 | nsadmin | which one did you install? |
| 08:43.30 | jelly-home | !version |
| 08:43.30 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 08:43.50 | Name1ess | jelly-home: thanks |
| 08:44.26 | Name1ess | 5.0.4 then. |
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| 08:44.40 | Name1ess | I haven't ran this box for a while, guess I should update :V |
| 08:46.22 | nsadmin | well you can if you want |
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| 08:57.03 | Arm | hello people |
| 08:57.26 | nsadmin | all the people went to the club down the street |
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| 08:57.51 | nsadmin | nuthin left but us cows |
| 08:58.05 | Arm | I've been wondering this for a while now: how do I automatically remove all the development stuff that's been installed using apt-get build-dep ? I mean, it's oh-so-pointless to keep them in the system once I've rebuilt the package in question to my liking |
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| 08:59.29 | nsadmin | good question... I've been wondering if there is a "aptitude remove-build-dep <pkgname>" too |
| 08:59.57 | Arm | there should be |
| 09:00.25 | Arm | I don't want my system to be filled with crap everytime I do a source install |
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| 09:14.34 | Arm | good that I saved a list of packages before doing, then diffed to see what I needed to remove |
| 09:14.41 | Arm | but still |
| 09:14.46 | Arm | so annoying |
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| 09:16.45 | Arm | bad news is... now I'm having even mplayer removed, fucking shit, I did grep '^+' on the diff to grab only added packages |
| 09:16.47 | Arm | =/ |
| 09:17.54 | sector119 | Hello! New postgresql builds are made using libedit instead of libreadline, how to make it accept utf8 input and history search with ^r ? |
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| 09:18.10 | cahoot | Arm: you have a real problem with space or is it just a matter of principle? |
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| 09:19.47 | Arm | cahoot: both |
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| 09:22.39 | Arm | sector119: you could do what I (a former gentoo user) do, and recompile the package to your liking using apt-get source |
| 09:22.58 | Arm | s/, and/:/ |
| 09:23.45 | Arm | if I don't like something, bam! I recompile it |
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| 09:25.35 | swilson06 | Arm: per your apt-get remove build removing mplayer, did you 0 out install-recommends and install-suggests in apt.conf? |
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| 09:27.02 | Arm | I'm not sure what do install-* options have to do with remove |
| 09:27.14 | Arm | swilson06: please elaborate on that |
| 09:27.38 | Arm | (besides, where's that apt.conf you talk about?) |
| 09:27.48 | swilson06 | cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 09:27.48 | swilson06 | APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 09:27.48 | swilson06 | APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
| 09:28.00 | Arm | hmm |
| 09:28.05 | Arm | I have none of that |
| 09:28.15 | swilson06 | it ain't default |
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| 09:28.42 | swilson06 | create it, you'll end up with less crap |
| 09:28.43 | nettezzaumana | heya |
| 09:28.45 | nettezzaumana | isn't possible to have one xorg on two gfx cards ? right .. eg to have dvi+vga on pci-x nvidia and one more vga on built-in nvidia |
| 09:28.49 | nettezzaumana | eg to achieve one xorg for 3 monitors |
| 09:29.50 | Arm | nettezzaumana: xinerama rings a bell |
| 09:30.01 | Arm | s/$/? |
| 09:30.16 | nettezzaumana | Arm: so is it possible ?? |
| 09:30.20 | Arm | swilson06: thanks :-) |
| 09:30.25 | swilson06 | heh, i know a friend of mine took a week to setup a solution like that on a ubuntu box (though, i think his main issue was how gdm handled the mouse pointer) |
| 09:30.27 | Arm | nettezzaumana: aye |
| 09:30.59 | nettezzaumana | Arm: so is possible to run one xorg on two physical gfx cards? |
| 09:31.33 | Arm | nettezzaumana: yes |
| 09:31.34 | swilson06 | yeah - you can run it on 8 if you've got the hardware and the config time |
| 09:31.47 | ov3rmind | hi there to all |
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| 09:33.31 | sector119 | Arm: I prefer adding alias psql='rlwrap psql -n' to my .zshrc |
| 09:33.39 | sector119 | it works |
| 09:33.53 | Arm | that works too |
| 09:34.26 | Arm | you could also run psql in an emacs terminal |
| 09:34.43 | Arm | and you get the finest of editing environments for your commandline |
| 09:34.55 | nsadmin | that's a very handy thing for when you're playing with data models and queries |
| 09:35.16 | sector119 | Arm: no.. i was wrong.. it broke tab completition ((( |
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| 09:35.37 | nsadmin | especially if psql was not built with libreadline |
| 09:36.11 | nettezzaumana | ok, thanks Arm |
| 09:36.12 | Arm | sector119: aww damnit.. it's always something.. =/ |
| 09:36.24 | Arm | nettezzaumana: :-) |
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| 09:41.41 | Arm | hmm |
| 09:42.38 | Arm | after messing for a while, I now find myself with mpd marked with a big C instead of i, and I bet it has something to do with the overwritten conf file |
| 09:42.45 | Arm | any hint where is my old conf file? |
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| 09:44.09 | Arm | that's called half-configured |
| 09:44.31 | cahoot | !confmiss |
| 09:44.32 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
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| 09:45.57 | swilson06 | oooh, now that's cool |
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| 09:46.57 | swilson06 | i generally just use vm and snapshots. however i've needed that so many times... |
| 09:48.09 | Arm | cahoot: the thing is... my conf files are in place, but they are the default ones, and my working conf file is gone. |
| 09:48.20 | Arm | and.. I want it back! |
| 09:48.58 | SlayerXP | Arm: restore from your backup |
| 09:49.08 | Arm | SlayerXP: backup? what's that? |
| 09:49.11 | nettezzaumana | seems like self-babblers are not only problem in *sunos channels .. |
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| 09:50.05 | Arm | nettezzaumana: I'm not sure who are you pointing your finger at |
| 09:50.31 | Arm | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.02 | Arm | gentoo had a really nice policy for conf files, it would overwrite it but, save the old one as .file.conf_001 |
| 09:51.09 | nettezzaumana | Arm: your last sentence to me is excelent example of self-defending processess in human brain |
| 09:51.20 | Arm | then you could handle the merge interactively |
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| 09:51.48 | Arm | nettezzaumana: or a preparative for war |
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| 09:53.23 | nettezzaumana | Arm: no, you could trust me, although i'm it guy i studied a psychology |
| 09:53.31 | nettezzaumana | s/it/IT/ |
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| 09:54.46 | cahoot | nettezzaumana: one should refrain from abusing psychology on irc |
| 09:54.54 | Arm | I second that |
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| 09:56.00 | Arm | cahoot: I hope apt does incur in brain-dead policies like overwriting conf-files and keeping no backup of the previous one, so, it must be somewhere. Any hint as of where could it be? |
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| 09:58.21 | swilson06 | how about a simple cron job that backs up etc every so often. something like: 0 0 * * * * tar -cR /etc > etc-$(date +%Y%d).tar ? |
| 09:58.51 | swilson06 | heh, you might want a backup directory as well :) |
| 09:58.55 | cahoot | !apt-file |
| 09:58.56 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 09:59.08 | kgoetz | swilson06: etckeeper would be a better choice |
| 09:59.26 | Arm | swilson06: sounds good, but still, we are in 2010, there should be no conf overwrite ;-) |
| 09:59.35 | rot13 | haha just noticed my motd file was replaced but finally my dpkg lets me update my system again. mysql still fails to configure though. |
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| 10:00.28 | Arm | swilson06: and by the way, I think keeping /etc in a mercurial repository is way better ;-) |
| 10:01.15 | swilson06 | kgoetz: tar is on every system and that's just too simple. however, i like what apt-cache show says about etckeeper. sounds cool |
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| 10:01.50 | kgoetz | swilson06: i figure if you want a useful backup you can afford to install two bits of softwaare :) |
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| 10:02.25 | kgoetz | Arm: about your complaint - it may be a bug in the package, config files should be tracked by dpkg, and if changed it should merge or ask the user |
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| 10:03.45 | Arm | kgoetz: the thing is: I never purged mpd, happened to remove it though, but then reinstalled and bam! half-configured, conf-file overwritten |
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| 10:04.01 | Arm | sighs |
| 10:04.06 | Arm | reconfigures |
| 10:05.34 | kgoetz | Arm: if the config was left, i would have thought dpkg is still tracking it. |
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| 10:05.57 | kgoetz | mpd is a rather popular package though, so a bug like that would surprise me |
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| 10:08.03 | cahoot | kgoetz: he claims he's often recompiling from src - so noone knows what mpd package was used |
| 10:08.22 | kgoetz | cahoot: ah, that would help induce pain |
| 10:08.26 | Arm | cahoot: apt-get source rings any bell? |
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| 10:08.39 | kgoetz | fwiw, i don't see a confs entry in the debian packaging - may simply not hae it |
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| 10:11.54 | Arm | do_mpd_conf () { |
| 10:11.54 | Arm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.54 | Arm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.54 | Arm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.54 | Arm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.19 | Arm | leave the kick aside, I think that's what's causing it to be rewritten |
| 10:12.37 | Arm | or am I looking at the wrong place? |
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| 10:14.14 | Arm | disregard that |
| 10:14.16 | Arm | it's not |
| 10:14.26 | Arm | = |
| 10:14.28 | Arm | =| |
| 10:14.37 | cahoot | !enter |
| 10:14.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 10:14.42 | ethanol | like 50% on my screen is from you arm |
| 10:14.43 | ethanol | :< |
| 10:14.55 | Arm | ethanol: be happy then |
| 10:15.08 | ethanol | it makes me kinda sad actually :( |
| 10:15.29 | ethanol | anyway, aptitude never overwrites my conf files, it always asks me what it should do |
| 10:15.44 | ethanol | so I'm confident your error can be found in your chair |
| 10:16.09 | Arm | maybe I should use aptitude too, I usually stick to apt-get |
| 10:16.23 | lupine_85 | heya. So I've got some ruby source (not gem, very setup.rb-compatible) I need to package into .deb - the issue is it's several "binary" packages from the one source, and I need to generate one package each for jruby and mri1.8.7p248, for several components |
| 10:16.43 | lupine_85 | (since squeeze doesn't have a ruby-common-to-all-interpreters path) |
| 10:16.45 | lupine_85 | anyone done this? |
| 10:16.52 | kgoetz | ethanol: imo packages shouldn't rely on aptitude to handle it, they should work with dpkg alone |
| 10:17.33 | ethanol | shrugs |
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| 10:17.53 | ethanol | I have opinions on some debianisms too, but hey, we have to live with what we get. |
| 10:18.52 | [Sanyi] | re |
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| 10:19.21 | Shadur | I installed apache2-suexec-custom but apache is still complaining that a suexec'd script isn't in the /var/www/ document root even though for that user I configured /home/webclients/user as the docroot. |
| 10:19.29 | ethanol | for example, did unstable/testing finally switch to iproute2 as default? god knows I wish it would, but I doubt it. |
| 10:19.56 | ethanol | Shadur, #httpd |
| 10:20.20 | lupine_85 | they're both installed by default - but debian still uses ifupdown |
| 10:20.26 | Shadur | ethanol: I'm on there as well, but suexec-custom seems to be unique to debian and ubuntu |
| 10:20.38 | ethanol | never used it myself. |
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| 10:20.52 | lupine_85 | (gak, although better than NM or the crazy system RH uses) |
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| 10:22.53 | ethanol | lupine_85, sure iproute2 is provided, but the default setup still uses ifconfig |
| 10:23.32 | ethanol | it just doesn't encourage people to drop the old broken crap and learn |
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| 10:29.30 | poisonbit | ethanol, nothing stops you to use "ip" in /etc/network/interfaces, using pre-up, post-down, etc |
| 10:30.01 | ethanol | poisonbit, it still relies on ifconfig then |
| 10:30.55 | poisonbit | errr i could say "depends on if-up-down" and "i don't know what it uses below", I just use its interface, reading /usr/share/doc etc |
| 10:31.10 | swilson06 | um, i think it relies on the 'ip' command |
| 10:31.20 | poisonbit | you can plug any system (userland) command to if-up-down scripts |
| 10:31.24 | lupine_85 | quite, the interface people use is ifupdown |
| 10:31.27 | poisonbit | ifconfig, ip, nc, whatever |
| 10:31.31 | lupine_85 | (and that in itself is a real shame) |
| 10:31.54 | poisonbit | I'm about many years patching some of these scripts |
| 10:32.22 | poisonbit | had problems in sarge with bond2.34 type interfaces if i remember ok |
| 10:32.29 | ethanol | let me put it like this. if I removed ifconfig from my system, it would fail. |
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| 10:33.23 | poisonbit | it uses both |
| 10:33.29 | poisonbit | ifconfig and ip |
| 10:33.36 | ethanol | which is stupid |
| 10:33.42 | swilson06 | sure? |
| 10:33.43 | ethanol | in my opinion anyway |
| 10:33.47 | poisonbit | grep -rE '(ip|ifconfig)' /etc/network/* |
| 10:34.12 | poisonbit | mmm no, ip matches are comments |
| 10:34.17 | poisonbit | only ne ifconfig match |
| 10:34.23 | poisonbit | one |
| 10:34.32 | sweetandy | I just want you guys to know, you guys are the best. |
| 10:34.37 | sweetandy | Thanks for everything over the years |
| 10:34.39 | poisonbit | on "wireless-tools" script |
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| 10:34.59 | nsadmin | sweetandy, retiring? |
| 10:35.10 | poisonbit | sweetandy, maybe better to give thanks to DDs on irc.debian.org :) |
| 10:35.37 | swilson06 | DDs? |
| 10:35.43 | nsadmin | they'll find some way of turning it into a flamewar... |
| 10:35.43 | sweetandy | Debian Devs, most likely |
| 10:35.48 | swilson06 | oh |
| 10:35.54 | sweetandy | nsadmin, naw, just returning after a long absence. |
| 10:35.59 | sweetandy | I'm loving squeeze. |
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| 10:36.38 | nsadmin | yeah, I'm starting my long trek towards squeeze too |
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| 10:37.25 | swilson06 | any suggestions to get me to stop procrastinating on leaving irc to create a drupal site..... ? |
| 10:38.12 | lupine_85 | swilson06, go onto #freenode and call the ops faggots? |
| 10:38.15 | poisonbit | change the focus |
| 10:38.25 | lupine_85 | *shrug* |
| 10:38.29 | kgoetz | lupine_85: *ggrin* |
| 10:38.32 | swilson06 | oooh, good one |
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| 10:39.13 | nsadmin | swilson06, start a cron job that runs once every 15 mins, emailing you this text: "what is the highest, best use of your time right now?" |
| 10:39.38 | bassliner | nsadmin: sounds like very, very bad motivator script. |
| 10:39.42 | jelly-home | swilson06: if you wanted to get to work you would. |
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| 10:39.59 | poisonbit | note on /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/TODO (squeeze) ... whe are lacking the -doc package :) |
| 10:40.01 | poisonbit | we |
| 10:40.06 | jelly-home | this is what Free Will is all about |
| 10:40.16 | nsadmin | bassliner: why do you say that? |
| 10:40.18 | bassliner | swilson06: you could start writing an irc bot in python. |
| 10:40.40 | ethanol | oh yeah, I could upgrade my test system to squeeze |
| 10:40.43 | bassliner | nsadmin: ok you're right. it would lead him to stare at his mail client, awaiting the next mail. |
| 10:40.44 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.08 | jelly-home | bassliner: "better than supybot" |
| 10:41.15 | bassliner | :) |
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| 10:42.14 | swilson06 | bassliner: i'd learn djago just for that so that it would have a security vuln in less than a week :) |
| 10:42.46 | poisonbit | there was a _bash_ bot on #debian-es based on https://github.com/Lowercases/shirc |
| 10:42.58 | nsadmin | bassliner, well if he's not taking action, it's because he's stuck... if he starts to become aware of what he wants and takes action in that direction, then he's unsticking himself |
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| 10:43.26 | bassliner | irc support for bash? wtf? |
| 10:43.43 | poisonbit | that was my first reaction... wtf |
| 10:43.49 | poisonbit | :) |
| 10:43.53 | bassliner | wow. |
| 10:44.21 | jelly-home | if zsh can have an embedded ftp client, why not |
| 10:44.32 | bassliner | poisonbit: i was surprised how fast i've written a python based irc bot that works without using any irc library, but an irc bot purely in bash is really, uhm, wow. not bad... |
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| 10:45.12 | nsadmin | sh/bash and purity don't necessarily go together :) |
| 10:45.17 | poisonbit | there is also some "evalbots" in #bash, that runs each command on a isolated environment (bash, bash4, sh, etc) bbut there are perl+qemu |
| 10:45.31 | bassliner | poisonbit: i use that one. |
| 10:45.47 | ethanol | Current status: 423 updates [+423], 27346 new [+27319]. |
| 10:45.48 | ethanol | golly |
| 10:45.53 | ethanol | also, no squeeze/volatile ? |
| 10:45.58 | bassliner | by the way, #bash is extremely good. their wiki is really helpful. |
| 10:46.10 | nsadmin | until it's released, it's volatile anyway |
| 10:46.15 | nsadmin | the whole thing |
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| 10:46.17 | poisonbit | ethanol, I don't know, but maybe until the release there is not |
| 10:47.30 | nsadmin | I definitely bow to anyone who can write something complex in bash and then be able to read and understand it again in 6 months ^W minutes |
| 10:47.52 | ethanol | ah wait, probably no deb-src for volatile |
| 10:48.22 | nsadmin | there should be, why not? |
| 10:48.33 | ethanol | hrm. |
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| 10:48.39 | ethanol | Err http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main Packages |
| 10:48.39 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.45 | bassliner | nsadmin: i wrote some very complex stuff in bash. layout of your script, indendation and stuff like that will let you write readable scripts. |
| 10:48.47 | nsadmin | if it's gpl, they have to do something |
| 10:48.51 | bassliner | nsadmin: the problem is much bigger in perl. |
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| 10:49.18 | bassliner | nsadmin: tell someone to explain what he coded in perl a year ago by watching his code. |
| 10:49.26 | bassliner | nsadmin: mostly impossible. |
| 10:49.39 | poisonbit | http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/01/ pick one |
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| 10:49.57 | poisonbit | http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/apache-bencmark-flower-power-script/ |
| 10:50.00 | bassliner | rechtsrum. |
| 10:50.04 | ethanol | yeah volatile does not exist for squeeze |
| 10:50.10 | poisonbit | one year old perl code |
| 10:50.14 | poisonbit | I understand it |
| 10:50.25 | poisonbit | FUD !!!! |
| 10:50.32 | bassliner | i have major problems getting into old perl scripts. |
| 10:50.44 | poisonbit | and also it is not broken in one year old interpreters like others |
| 10:50.45 | nsadmin | mursthcer? |
| 10:51.33 | nsadmin | tcl is pretty good about keeping old code working |
| 10:51.41 | e0n | i m looking at ipv6 just for my personnal interest. but why /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr is unset by default? (i m on stable) |
| 10:52.43 | poisonbit | 0 on my squeeze |
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| 10:53.16 | poisonbit | zero use to mean 'disabled'... |
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| 10:54.13 | ethanol | 383 packages upgraded, 101 newly installed, 52 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
| 10:54.15 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 10:54.18 | ethanol | holy crapz |
| 10:54.19 | nsadmin | if it's unset it could mean the code that reads/writes/supports that var is not in the kernel and a separate module is also not present |
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| 10:55.38 | poisonbit | bassliner, If you want to avoid fuds, take a read to http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/index.html and maybe your view point about perl changes :) |
| 10:56.03 | poisonbit | free pdf as well as supporting the author buying, you choose |
| 10:56.03 | Azrael_- | i try to use dante-server for a server-chain but no matter what i try "route" is always omitted and connection always directly established. any idea? |
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| 10:56.18 | poisonbit | today there is a post about "free knowledge" on planet debian |
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| 10:57.27 | bassliner | poisonbit: i'm using python and tcl. |
| 10:57.36 | bassliner | poisonbit: and a shitload of bash of course. |
| 10:57.38 | lapsusbrutus | What would be a good debian desktop? Sid? |
| 10:57.50 | nsadmin | whatever you want |
| 10:58.03 | jelly-home | lapsusbrutus: sid is for reporting and fixing bugs. |
| 10:58.22 | poisonbit | Azrael_-, I've never used dante, but i use to look to /usr/share/doc/packagename for README.Debian etc |
| 10:58.35 | nsadmin | if you're thinking sid, maybe in reality you don't want the stability and therefore applied "limitations" that debian packaging enforces. |
| 10:58.49 | nsadmin | it's up to you of course |
| 10:58.57 | jelly-home | lapsusbrutus: if that's what you're using your desktop for, sure, go ahead. If you do work, try stable or squeeze which is hopefully going to become "stable" soonish |
| 10:59.29 | nsadmin | the rc bug count is hovering around 100 |
| 10:59.34 | ethanol | http://text.pastebin.com/3nQSeiDn who says yes? =D |
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| 11:00.49 | spliffi | hi community, I have some trouble with the sudoers file. I'd like to restart a dhcp3-server daemon by another user than root but still get permission issues. I added lines like "Cmnd_Alias DHCP = /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start, /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop, /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart" and "username hostname=(root) NOPASSWD: DHCP" What do I miss here ? It's spitting out that Iam not allowed to kill and to rm the pidfile |
| 11:00.53 | lapsusbrutus | Ok, squeeze then. :) |
| 11:00.55 | ethanol | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y |
| 11:00.55 | ethanol | Would download/install/remove packages. |
| 11:00.59 | ethanol | that was exciting =D |
| 11:02.04 | ethanol | going to upgrade apt and aptitude first |
| 11:02.27 | spliffi | sorry it is Cmnd_List of course |
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| 11:02.42 | spliffi | what do I miss ? |
| 11:03.17 | Azrael_- | poisonbit: how to see dante.conf(5) ? |
| 11:03.33 | poisonbit | man 5 dante.conf |
| 11:03.50 | poisonbit | sorry I go out with the dog (to take some wlking) :) |
| 11:03.53 | ethanol | open: 2802; closed: 2608; defer: 53; conflict: 155 |
| 11:03.55 | ethanol | and rising |
| 11:03.55 | ethanol | :( |
| 11:04.04 | ethanol | maybe I shouldn't have upgraded apt/aptitude first |
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| 11:04.58 | ethanol | 5k open / 4k closed |
| 11:05.52 | Azrael_- | poisonbit: ok, didn#t give more information :/ |
| 11:05.59 | ethanol | I think it's stuck in an endless loop or something.. just keeps rising >< |
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| 11:06.39 | ethanol | open: 7748; closed: 6859; defer: 53; conflict: 155 |
| 11:06.42 | ethanol | that can't be good right? :/ |
| 11:07.12 | jelly-home | ethanol: your chosen repos are broken at the moment for your desired packageset |
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| 11:07.25 | ethanol | well I do have preferences |
| 11:07.32 | jelly-home | get rid of them |
| 11:07.37 | ethanol | which ones? |
| 11:08.01 | jelly-home | the whole /etc/apt/preferences? :-) |
| 11:08.02 | ethanol | http://text.pastebin.com/42GTArGg |
| 11:08.13 | ethanol | only preferences, not sources? |
| 11:08.46 | jelly-home | hm |
| 11:09.22 | jelly-home | ethanol: sorry, I have to backpedal a bit here. What's your primary release, testing? |
| 11:09.30 | ethanol | I |
| 11:09.32 | swilson06 | ok, basic bash i've forgotten - how do you copy a file to your last directory? push or pop or something? |
| 11:09.44 | ethanol | ffs keyboard. I am on lenny now, wanting to upgrade to squeeze |
| 11:09.48 | kgoetz | swilson06: cd foo `cd -`/ |
| 11:10.04 | swilson06 | copy? |
| 11:10.13 | jelly-home | ethanol: get rid of unstable sources, and of preferences. |
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| 11:10.40 | jelly-home | ethanol: and backports and everything that's not just a squeeze debian mirror |
| 11:10.47 | ethanol | k |
| 11:10.54 | nsadmin | swilson06: you would have to know the last dir and the item(s) you want to copy there |
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| 11:11.20 | swilson06 | found it - $OLDPWD |
| 11:11.43 | ethanol | meh |
| 11:11.45 | SeySayux | Hi, why isn't vim considered an alternative for editor? |
| 11:11.58 | ethanol | it is? |
| 11:11.59 | kgoetz | swilson06: s/cp/cp |
| 11:12.03 | kgoetz | fucksake |
| 11:12.06 | kgoetz | today is not my day |
| 11:12.10 | kgoetz | s/cd/cp |
| 11:12.14 | kgoetz | SeySayux: its not installed? |
| 11:12.29 | SeySayux | kgoetz: it is, actually. |
| 11:12.32 | swilson06 | oh.... - works with cd...... hummmm |
| 11:12.35 | ethanol | swilson06, by default vim-tiny or something is only installed, not regular vim |
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| 11:12.42 | ethanol | errr, SeySayux * |
| 11:12.47 | ethanol | SeySayux, try aptitude install vim |
| 11:13.13 | SeySayux | Oh, so /usr/bin/vim is a symlink, okay :) |
| 11:13.13 | SeySayux | |
| 11:13.29 | SeySayux | nope... |
| 11:13.34 | ethanol | jelly-home, no luck. only have normal and security repo now. but still stuck :< |
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| 11:14.08 | SeySayux | okay, /usr/bin/vim is a symlink to /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 11:14.24 | swilson06 | hell, you're lucky you even get vim. i remember rh or fedora or something used to only come with nano - pissed me off something fierce |
| 11:14.53 | ethanol | SeySayux, well it works fine for me :) |
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| 11:14.57 | SeySayux | what? a unix distro that doesn't have vi(m) preinstalled? |
| 11:15.12 | SeySayux | ethanol: it works for me too now |
| 11:15.31 | nsadmin | swilson06: nano is very small and easy to understand. perfect for an initial, barebones install... not sure why you'd be pissed off... you can always compile anything you can get source for |
| 11:15.33 | SeySayux | I mean, even Mac OS X comes with vim, emacs and nano preinstaled. |
| 11:15.40 | jelly-home | ethanol: so wait a few days, or try apt-get |
| 11:15.55 | ethanol | jelly-home, I think it's cause I upgraded apt and aptitude first |
| 11:15.56 | ethanol | :( |
| 11:16.17 | ethanol | before that the simulate ran fine. now it gets stuck on simulate too. |
| 11:16.33 | nsadmin | SeySayux, no, vim is large, and so unsuitable for preinstall (also known as base-only install) |
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| 11:17.08 | jelly-home | ethanol: are you aware that /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, and the release notes actually say to go with apt-get dist-upgrade, not aptitude? |
| 11:17.16 | ericP | NetworkManager re-writes (at least the top of) /etc/hosts. any idea how i can teach it to add an alias for localhost when it writes the rest out? |
| 11:17.34 | SeySayux | nsadmin: all unix distros I know ship with vi or vim preinstalled. |
| 11:17.36 | swilson06 | nsadmin: because vim is small and powerful. i mean, if you're worried about space, just use cat as your text editor |
| 11:17.52 | ethanol | jelly-home, no I was only reading http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process which mentioned apt-get upgrade |
| 11:18.00 | nsadmin | SeySayux: not all. debian does not. |
| 11:18.05 | ethanol | but I wasn't aware it would matter that much :< |
| 11:18.05 | jelly-home | ethanol: also, my bad... I see now you were trying to safe-upgrade which won't work |
| 11:18.07 | ericP | i've grepped for "localdomain" in /etc/*.../etc/*/*/*/* |
| 11:18.15 | nsadmin | but no worries, you can easily install it |
| 11:18.37 | jelly-home | ethanol: it's almost expected for safe-upgrade not to be able to work in this situation. |
| 11:18.48 | ethanol | lol, apt-get upgrade instantly asks me if I want to continue |
| 11:18.48 | nsadmin | ericP: at some point, check the -r option of man grep |
| 11:19.01 | ethanol | I'll go with that I guess |
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| 11:19.48 | SeySayux | iirc vim.tiny is installed by default. |
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| 11:20.17 | ethanol | yes it is |
| 11:20.20 | swilson06 | it is |
| 11:20.26 | nsadmin | take a look at the packages that are on a netinst cd |
| 11:20.33 | nsadmin | those are the base pkgs |
| 11:20.42 | nsadmin | (and the installer udebs) |
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| 11:24.07 | nsadmin | perhaps vim-tiny is there... but the base is supposed to be -small-, and there's not need for every editor on the planet when you can easily install any one you want |
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| 11:25.54 | nsadmin | I could see your point if you were paying for debian, and getting each new package meant you'd pay more money, but that just isn't the case |
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| 11:28.16 | bassliner | vim-nox! |
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| 11:29.58 | nsadmin | someone should come up with a freesoftware editor that has serious power (like emacs/vim/some others have) but is much more modern in its look and feel |
| 11:30.18 | bassliner | nsadmin: vim works for me. |
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| 11:31.40 | tvm | how can a text editor be modern ? |
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| 11:33.18 | sweetandy | nsadmin, emacs with GTK is pretty swankin' |
| 11:33.30 | sweetandy | Stop changing your nick, vdagli |
| 11:33.44 | sweetandy | I hate it when people change their nick back and forth and back and forth and back and forth over and over |
| 11:34.00 | sweetandy | I have channels where the only message on-screen is somebody changing their nick over and over |
| 11:34.12 | sweetandy | SORRY I thought this was #defocus! |
| 11:34.14 | sweetandy | My bad! |
| 11:34.17 | sweetandy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.48 | nsadmin | tvm: you have a point... but, a word processor is more of a business application and there is still need for text processing of many kinds. otoh, by implying that text editors are ancient, that could extend to text processing, making unix/linux ancient as well (which it is of course) but if text is judged negatively for being ancient, what are programmers going to do if action to get rid of text entirely is taken? |
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| 11:38.24 | Azrael_- | i try to use dante-server for a server-chain but no matter what i try "route" is always omitted and connection always directly established. any idea? |
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| 11:40.05 | brahman | nsadmin: in a GUI environment and for a bigger project, I like Geany. Althoug most of the time I find myself using vim... |
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| 11:40.39 | tvm | nsadmin: but that won't happen IMO, text is and will be used as there is no substitute (at least i don't know about any). Maybe that is reason why the editors are ancient, since everything that could be possibly usable when working with text was already invented. |
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| 11:41.13 | tvm | i work with loads of text daily (it's part of my work), i use just vim/sed/grep. that's all i ever needed. |
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| 11:41.20 | ethanol | sweetandy, conference mode..? |
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| 11:44.32 | sweetandy | tvm, well, yes, has been invented, or can be extended/invented on-the-fly with something like emacs lisp |
| 11:44.49 | nsadmin | tvm: for one thing, for programmers there are the java ides which are very good, like forte/netbeans/eclipse among others I'm sure. |
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| 11:45.07 | tvm | or vimscript ;] |
| 11:46.01 | tvm | nsadmin: yes, but you mixed up simple text processing with programming. |
| 11:46.21 | nsadmin | becasue they're both... text... |
| 11:46.24 | tvm | i don't need a debugger and watch window in text editor. |
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| 11:46.56 | nsadmin | true, and nor do you need a builtin scripting language |
| 11:47.21 | tvm | yes, but it gives me a possibility to automate tasks. |
| 11:47.26 | nsadmin | or any of the power that editors like vi and emacs bring |
| 11:47.28 | tvm | which is what i need. |
| 11:47.46 | nsadmin | you could do that in a componentwise way |
| 11:48.14 | nsadmin | just like instead of netbeans you could use nano and javac |
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| 11:48.22 | tvm | yes, you could. |
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| 11:49.10 | tvm | i don't code, i only script and vim is completely sufficient for me. |
| 11:49.55 | tvm | and it saves me alot of time, compared to a fellow that sits next to me and uses mcedit all the time ;] |
| 11:50.17 | nsadmin | I think the "ancient" aspect is mostly provided by terminals and terminal emulators... the cursor is always the size of a char and always spans a character width and covers a character |
| 11:50.37 | nsadmin | more modern is the idea of an insertion point |
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| 11:51.04 | ethanol | manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 11:51.18 | ethanol | multiply that by about 300 occurances :< |
| 11:51.21 | ethanol | during upgrade |
| 11:51.54 | nsadmin | you can aptitude install locales if you're not in the middle of upgrading |
| 11:52.06 | tvm | nsadmin: but the modern stuff is bloated and slow, so i'm stuck with ancient things. |
| 11:52.12 | ethanol | I am in the middle |
| 11:52.20 | tvm | there were a few things that became better over time, but not too many of them. |
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| 11:52.48 | ethanol | lol and now it generates the new locales |
| 11:53.31 | nsadmin | after that it should be smoother (except I don't know if it sets LANG in the installing shell) |
| 11:54.17 | nsadmin | maybe in that case (default) you get the equiv of LANG=C |
| 11:54.21 | tvm | nsadmin: 'modern' was meant in the context we talk of course, i don't dare to say that modern implies bloated/bad. |
| 11:54.28 | jelly-home | ethanol: that's normal as well, ignore it |
| 11:54.33 | ethanol | ok :) |
| 11:55.34 | jelly-home | upgrading libc6 and locales separately, before doing the rest of the system, would have worked around it |
| 11:55.41 | ethanol | meh why the crap did my system suddenly need java-6-sun |
| 11:56.34 | ethanol | err, sun6-java-bin |
| 11:57.08 | Bushmills | aptitude why sun6-java-bin |
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| 11:57.42 | ethanol | aha |
| 11:57.50 | nsadmin | if you're in the middle of upgrading, you can kill it if it's -downloading- packages... but -not- at other times, you'd screw your package db up otherwise |
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| 12:00.23 | ethanol | there, enabled all my repos and preferences again |
| 12:00.34 | ethanol | weird it would pick libdb and openntpd from unstable though |
| 12:00.39 | jelly-home | nsadmin: screw? The process is restartable. |
| 12:00.40 | ethanol | it has lowests pinning prio |
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| 12:01.08 | jelly-home | ethanol: did you not disable all the repos other than squeeze? |
| 12:01.08 | lapsusbrutus | you happen to know how to put a specific color on my 'username@computername:~$' in gnome-terminal? I dont want it to have the same text color as the rest to easy see where output start and stop.. |
| 12:01.21 | ethanol | jelly-home, I did mention I just enabled them again |
| 12:01.29 | nsadmin | ethanol: just remember that mixing squeeze and sid would be you taking a risk :) |
| 12:01.45 | jelly-home | ethanol: oh, I'm stopping helping right now ;-) |
| 12:02.00 | ethanol | no worries. just wondered why it would pick those two from unstable. |
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| 12:02.08 | nsadmin | is helping jelly stopping helping right now! |
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| 12:02.30 | jelly-home | I'll try my best to be most unhelpful |
| 12:02.35 | ethanol | pretty much same version though |
| 12:02.36 | ethanol | Preparing to replace openntpd 3.9p1-7 (using .../openntpd_3.9p1+debian-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 12:02.42 | ethanol | used to be from backports I think |
| 12:03.07 | streuner__ | judd, versions openntpd |
| 12:03.10 | judd | Package openntpd on i386 -- etch: 3.9p1-3; lenny: 3.9p1-7; sid: 3.9p1+debian-6 |
| 12:03.27 | ethanol | oh, does not exist in squeeze? |
| 12:03.31 | ethanol | that would explain it |
| 12:03.40 | jelly-home | "too crappy for squeeze" |
| 12:04.15 | ethanol | yeah, debians definition of "too crappy" is vague at best, and often the definition itself is crap. |
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| 12:04.45 | jelly-home | "has more than zero RC bugs" isn't that vague |
| 12:04.45 | nsadmin | so if they say it's crappy, that's crappy? |
| 12:05.00 | abrotman | !removals |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
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| 12:05.33 | jelly-home | !why is openntpd not in testing |
| 12:05.33 | dpkg | openntpd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openntpd |
| 12:05.52 | ethanol | ROM; mostly usused |
| 12:05.53 | ethanol | usused? |
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| 12:06.12 | jelly-home | just use ntp like everyone else! |
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| 12:06.29 | ethanol | openntpd is sexier. |
| 12:06.31 | johndoe | can i somehow use apt-get thru socks proxy? |
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| 12:06.35 | ethanol | everyone else should use it! |
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| 12:06.54 | jelly-home | ethanol: except it doesn't work correctly in a number of situations |
| 12:07.11 | ethanol | works fine for me |
| 12:07.29 | Bushmills | openntpd was the bsd daemon iirc - i tried chrony, openntpd and ntpd - the bsd one suffered from mem leakage then |
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| 12:08.05 | Bushmills | took 2 weeks or 3 to gobble up 700 to 800 MiB of RAM |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | that is sexy |
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| 12:08.46 | Bennit | Hi |
| 12:08.49 | ethanol | "openntpd doesn't adjust |
| 12:08.50 | ethanol | the system's clock rate" |
| 12:08.52 | ethanol | whut? :< |
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| 12:09.14 | Bennit | I'm trying to compile lighttpd on my debian |
| 12:09.20 | jelly-home | I'm using chrony at home just for the kicks |
| 12:09.26 | Bennit | but I'm missing pcre |
| 12:09.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Bennit about build-dep |
| 12:09.46 | Bushmills | chrony had the problem here of jittering a lot |
| 12:10.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Bennit about ssb |
| 12:10.16 | Bennit | so I tried to apt-get libpcre3-dev, which dezpends on libpcre3 (which is installed) |
| 12:10.20 | jelly-home | ,versions lighttpd |
| 12:10.21 | judd | Package lighttpd on i386 -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; squeeze: 1.4.28-1; sid: 1.4.28-2 |
| 12:10.33 | jelly-home | Bennit: read what dpkg bot tells you in private. |
| 12:11.02 | Bennit | i'm not trying to install lighttpd |
| 12:11.05 | Bennit | via apt-get |
| 12:11.09 | Bennit | I want to compile it myself |
| 12:11.14 | jelly-home | no, you're building it. |
| 12:11.40 | jelly-home | Bennit: understood. Read the build-dep suggestion. |
| 12:12.04 | Bennit | I am |
| 12:12.05 | Bennit | thanks |
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| 12:12.12 | jelly-home | then, if you want to make your fresh build into a nice package, read the ssb one as well |
| 12:12.24 | NiLon | I have vps that have laggy ssh, would you think that setting up qos (for ssh) would reduce this lag, assuming that lag comes from other vpses? |
| 12:12.50 | jelly-home | NiLon: contact your provider? |
| 12:13.02 | NiLon | or does qos effect stop once it gets out that virtual pipe |
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| 12:13.43 | jelly-home | for obvious reasons you won't be able to affect other traffic if all you can control is one vps |
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| 12:17.38 | NiLon | thought so, tho if packets are shaped it could go thru from vps box into router that actually does that magic then |
| 12:18.05 | jelly-home | NiLon: do you have control of the router? |
| 12:18.13 | NiLon | no |
| 12:18.16 | jelly-home | well then |
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| 12:24.29 | arghx | good morning. what debian installer do I need to be able to connect to a WPA2 encrypted wlan with my ath5k wlan card without getting additional stuff from the internet? GUI config of WPA2 greatly preferred (wicd or such) |
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| 12:27.11 | nsadmin | arghx: it would probably be easier if you were to do the install using wired net |
| 12:27.37 | stew | arghx: afaik, installing via wpa2 is not yet possible with the debian-installer |
| 12:27.44 | pif | hi, how come I don't have a /sys/kernel/debug mount point? what kernel option do I need? |
| 12:27.45 | stew | wep is, but not wpa2 |
| 12:27.50 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone happen to know how to put a specific color on my 'username@computername:~$' in gnome-terminal? I dont want it to have the same text color as the rest to easy see where output start and stop.. Or if its even possible.. No info about coloring in man file |
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| 12:28.19 | nsadmin | pif: what' |
| 12:28.26 | nsadmin | is your uname -r |
| 12:28.45 | BW^- | in what directory is outgoing email normally stored? apparently from an error i have Loads of outgoing email in the bin, and sending it takes so much RAM the machine is unstable |
| 12:28.52 | BW^- | how can i remove all this mail in the pipE? |
| 12:29.01 | arghx | nsadmin: I know that, but that's not what I asked. I want an installer that installs debian (there are many,no internet needed, including netinst). however I want to connect to the internet via wpa with said installer |
| 12:29.16 | stew | arghx: none exist |
| 12:29.16 | nsadmin | see: stew |
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| 12:29.38 | arghx | cd1 apparetny has wpa-supplicant. it also has gnome network manager. with those two, it should be easily possible, no? |
| 12:29.47 | nsadmin | that may not have been what you asked, but it likely advances your purpose |
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| 12:29.49 | Rienzilla | sending email should not make your machine unstable. If you want to remove outgoing mail anyway, i'd look in exims queue directories |
| 12:30.19 | Rienzilla | somewhere in /var/spool/exim4 usually |
| 12:30.19 | BW^- | Rienzilla: what's the default for these? |
| 12:30.23 | stew | !dbugs 550744 |
| 12:30.27 | arghx | so rephrasing the questin: what additional packages do I need to download from pdo before installing to get on the interwebs? |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | #550744:W[netcfg] Please add support for WPA(2) (patch); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:27:02 UTC [327309] |
| 12:30.34 | Rienzilla | (that's provided you use exim in a default configuration) |
| 12:31.07 | arghx | stew: I don't care if apt can update its repository listing or such. I simply need enough software on the CD to get on the internet |
| 12:31.45 | BW^- | ah, thanks - /var/spool/nullmailer/queue was full of things |
| 12:31.45 | arghx | reading the bug right now |
| 12:31.48 | stew | arghx: see the above bug (550744). you'll need to get that patch and the source for netcfg, then you'll need to rebuild the netcfg package to create a new udeb which has this patch. then use that udeb to rebuild a d-i iso that has that udeb |
| 12:32.02 | stew | arghx: (this is assuming the patch works) |
| 12:32.04 | bassliner | as long as i can ssh to the outside while installing my system, everything is allright. |
| 12:32.16 | arghx | stew: I didn't ask for wlan in the debian installer, did I? |
| 12:32.50 | stew | arghx: that's how I read it, yes |
| 12:33.05 | arghx | as I said: I don't care if apt can update its repos in the installer as it wants to. totally non issue. I simply need enough software on the CD to get on the internet with a wlan chip that doesn't need (non-free) firmware like my ath5k |
| 12:33.09 | Rienzilla | get the package you neeed, and all its dependencies |
| 12:33.18 | nsadmin | arghx: hostility isn't necessary. either state your exact full purpose or find another dist or both |
| 12:33.31 | arghx | which is why I asked: CD1 contains wpa-supp and gnome network manager. that should be enough, no? |
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| 12:33.36 | stew | arghx: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 12:34.06 | stew | arghx: then cd1 is all you need |
| 12:34.21 | arghx | thank you |
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| 12:36.28 | mntzn | Hi, is testing frozen? when squeeze is released will I need to do dist-upgrade? or just change sources.list accordingly? |
| 12:37.15 | Rienzilla | both |
| 12:37.17 | Rienzilla | uhm |
| 12:37.28 | stew | mntzn: its been frozen since august. if you want to stick with squeeze when it releases, change your sources.list now to say "squeeze" instead of "testing". |
| 12:37.31 | Rienzilla | correction: 1. I don't know, 2. yes, 3. yes |
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| 12:38.03 | mntzn | stew: thanx, so no need to do dist-upgrade? |
| 12:38.12 | stew | mntzn: but although it is frozen, its still getting updated, so peroically upgrading IS still needed |
| 12:38.27 | Rienzilla | (if you run squeeze now, probably no need for dist-upgrade) |
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| 12:38.33 | stew | which could be done via dist-upgrade, yes |
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| 12:39.06 | mntzn | stew: Im fine with small updates, but no major version changes |
| 12:39.08 | arghx | another question: squeeze weeklies support 4k sector hdds? |
| 12:39.32 | stew | mntzn: yes, we should be past the major version changes at this point |
| 12:39.40 | arghx | mntzn: at this point in time, there are only small updates for squeeze anymore. basically bugfixes to fix rc bugs |
| 12:39.51 | mntzn | great, thanks |
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| 12:45.43 | Bert_2 | Hi, does anyone know a command to find out the rotational speed (rpm) of a disk ? |
| 12:46.07 | abrotman | did you look in dmesg ? |
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| 12:47.26 | Bert_2 | abrotman: no rpm info there, just size and the attaching info |
| 12:47.38 | cahoot | try hdparm |
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| 12:53.35 | delby | hi. is there a way to edit gconf settings stored in /var/lib/gconf/defaults/debian.defaults using gconf-editor? |
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| 12:54.39 | cheasee | im trying to put my kvm instance with option -no-frame on another workspace in "full-screen", but when there is no frame, i dont know how to move that window to another workspace or set it dedicated to a workspace. how is that possible? |
| 12:56.28 | cheasee | delby: just looked in the manpage of gconf-editor, it suggests gconftool |
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| 12:56.58 | cheasee | Usage: gconftool [OPTION...] - Tool to manipulate a GConf configuration |
| 12:57.09 | jrib | delby: http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-7.html.en might be helpful |
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| 12:59.06 | Bert_2 | cahoot: I can't seem to find any option in hdparm that displays the rpm speed |
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| 13:01.31 | cheasee | Bert_2: $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep Rotation Nominal Media Rotation Rate: 5400 |
| 13:01.42 | cheasee | Bert_2: $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep Rotation |
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| 13:03.38 | niklaswe | hello, i have some problem to get my new mailserver up and running, http://pastebin.com/SJTSTv4W |
| 13:04.40 | niklaswe | when i trying to send mail to my selft with telnet i got this messages.. Jan 6 13:04:12 desert postfix/pipe[22730]: 4729023172D: to=<niklas@allow.se>, relay=dovecot, delay=956, delays=956/0.2/0/0.17, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure) Any idé how i will fix it? |
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| 13:06.07 | dfdfsdf | hi, what package provides mkisofs in debian testing? |
| 13:06.24 | abrotman | !tell dfdfsdf about apt-file |
| 13:07.10 | dfdfsdf | so i did apt-file search mkisofs and i see no mkisofs inside any bin dir |
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| 13:07.24 | cheasee | dfdfsdf: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:08.02 | dfdfsdf | lenny (stable) (otherosfs): Dummy transition package for genisoimage |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | judd: file bin/mkisofs --release squeeze |
| 13:08.16 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | there we go, have a nice day! |
| 13:08.56 | dfdfsdf | so it's only in stable? |
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| 13:09.33 | abrotman | dfdfsdf: the package is now genisoimage .. which is available in squeeze |
| 13:09.42 | e-mode | dfdfsdf: in stable it is ... as it says... only a transitional package for genisoimage... which should tell you that you have to transition to genisoimage |
| 13:09.49 | dfdfsdf | i see |
| 13:10.02 | dfdfsdf | i hope they kept the same options |
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| 13:10.46 | dfdfsdf | yes they did , thanks |
| 13:10.47 | dfdfsdf | see ya |
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| 13:21.21 | delby | cheasee, jrib: thanks for your replies. thing is, i use gconftool for the actual editing, but i am finding it very difficult to know what and how to edit without looking at the settings in gconf-editor first. |
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| 13:24.02 | jrib | delby: well the "File" many has the options for "New Defaults Window" here on ubuntu. Does it have it for you? |
| 13:24.43 | jrib | delby: unfortunately it doesn't really seem to work very well as the tree is empty when I do that |
| 13:26.15 | delby | jrib: yes. that is the tree from /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults, which the general defaults tree. i am trying to edit the debian specific default tree. |
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| 13:27.15 | jrib | delby: might try the gnome channel on gimpnet, to me, seems like gconf-editor can't handle it (or at least there's no documented way to do it) |
| 13:27.23 | delby | basically what i am trying to do (i think) is change the path for gconf-editor to where the debian default tree is. |
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| 13:28.20 | delby | jrib: thanks. will try in gnome channels. |
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| 13:33.54 | Daemon_Byte | hey all. I'm using webmin to administer the firewall on my debian box. I'm basically opening certain ports to any ip. My iptables file is http://pastebin.com/jK6StGX6 The problem I am having is while I can connect to the server it is unable to do things like connect to dns or ping other servers. Once I change the line :INPUT DROP [0:0] to :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] it's all good again |
| 13:34.29 | Daemon_Byte | but then my firewall is open so I need to fix the problem and have no clue |
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| 13:36.36 | homie | what is [0:0] ? |
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| 13:37.09 | Bushmills | rather than accepting or dropping all, consider think along the line of accept some, drop the rest |
| 13:38.02 | babilen | Daemon_Byte: I (and a lot of other people) prefer to look at the output of "iptables -L" -- wouldn't #netfilter be a better place to ask anyway? |
| 13:38.18 | Bop | Daemon_Byte, u have default INPUT policy to drop |
| 13:38.21 | Daemon_Byte | don't ask me what [0:0] is. Webmin puts it there. I'm a developer not a sysadmin so I don't know the details :( |
| 13:38.40 | Bop | u should add a rule for related, established connections to be able to INPUT , i guess |
| 13:38.44 | Daemon_Byte | #netfilter is a firewall channel? |
| 13:38.45 | homie | ip:port range maybe ? |
| 13:38.55 | babilen | Daemon_Byte: #netfilter is the channel for iptables |
| 13:38.58 | Bop | Daemon_Byte, it is |
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| 13:39.13 | Daemon_Byte | I shall try there :) thanks |
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| 13:45.49 | Daemon_Byte | BOP your idea worked, thanks a lot. I never thought about related connections :) |
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| 14:00.05 | pielgrzym | hi |
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| 14:00.15 | pielgrzym | I've installed lenny in a xen domU vm |
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| 14:00.35 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 14:00.36 | pielgrzym | had major problems firing it up due to pygrub not understanding legacy grub syntax ;) |
| 14:00.51 | spiekey | how can i reinstall a package with its init script and config files? |
| 14:01.18 | pielgrzym | now I've fired it up, but I want to generate grub2 file (grub.conf). dpkg --configure grub2 doesn't want to recreate it :) how to force it? |
| 14:01.32 | MrOpposite | Hi |
| 14:01.51 | babilen | !tell spiekey about confmiss |
| 14:01.55 | MrOpposite | how do you uninstall packages installed with "dpkg -i"? |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | MrOpposite: man dpkg .. it has a remove option |
| 14:02.22 | MrOpposite | oh |
| 14:02.44 | MrOpposite | [mropposite@OppoNAS ~/rootstuff]$ man dpkg |
| 14:02.44 | MrOpposite | No manual entry for dpkg |
| 14:02.44 | MrOpposite | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 14:02.47 | thewanderer1 | hey, I have this line in udev rules: ENV{DM_VG_NAME}=="System", ENV{DM_LV_NAME}=="lolcats", MODE="0600", OWNER="libvirt-qemu", GROUP="disk" |
| 14:02.53 | babilen | MrOpposite: "aptitude remove" or "aptitude purge" or "apt-get remove" or "apt-get remove --purge" or "dpkg -r" ... |
| 14:03.01 | sekon | MrOpposite: dpkg --remove foo |
| 14:03.04 | thewanderer1 | the owner is set correctly, but the mode is 0660, not 0600 as I set it |
| 14:03.11 | MrOpposite | danke sekon |
| 14:03.18 | babilen | MrOpposite: Bitte sekon |
| 14:03.44 | MrOpposite | thewanderer1 I don't have aptitude as I can't upgrade sarge |
| 14:03.59 | spiekey | babilen, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install proftpd does not bring back my config files :-( |
| 14:04.45 | babilen | spiekey: It should -- Do you get any errors? |
| 14:05.14 | spiekey | babilen, nop, it runs fine |
| 14:05.42 | MrOpposite | If someone knows how to upgrade sarge to etch on an embeded system with custom built libc6, please tell me! |
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| 14:06.49 | spiekey | babilen, at least i dont see any: http://pastebin.com/MfgfshVY |
| 14:06.51 | babilen | spiekey: You could try purging the package (aptitude purge proftpd) if it is OK for all existing configuration files to go away, and then (re-) installing it (aptitude install proftpd / aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall proftpd) |
| 14:08.06 | babilen | spiekey: Reinstall "proftpd-basic" with the confmiss trick |
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| 14:09.42 | babilen | spiekey: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/proftpd-basic/filelist (for amd64, don't expect these files to be different on other architectures) |
| 14:09.45 | thewanderer1 | what am I doing wrong or why does something change my device permissions? |
| 14:10.01 | spiekey | babilen, oh, of course! Thanks! |
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| 14:10.38 | babilen | spiekey: It is generally a good idea to search for the files you want with "apt-files" as a bunch of packages are split and the master one (e.g. proftpd) do not contain the configuration files. |
| 14:11.01 | spiekey | babilen, i usually do that :) |
| 14:11.03 | spiekey | sorry |
| 14:11.08 | babilen | No problem :) |
| 14:11.16 | homie | dbus is messy again, fails to terminate when kdm terminates |
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| 14:12.52 | homie | and my whole kdm session crashes when i type in apt-get update on some tty for some blody reason i couldn't find now, but i think it's dbus again.... |
| 14:13.23 | thewanderer1 | homie: checked for OoM conditions? |
| 14:14.00 | homie | even sent a bugreport with kdecrash handler, i hope it got it's way to the bug handlers out there.... |
| 14:14.05 | homie | lol |
| 14:14.29 | catsup | dbus is such crap |
| 14:14.50 | thewanderer1 | right, let's go back to SysV IPC for every application, individually |
| 14:15.04 | thewanderer1 | apt-get doesn't even use dbus :P |
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| 14:15.48 | homie | and after that crash when i restart kdm, it uses another tty, and i looked and found dbus alive, and killed it and restarted kdm and viola tty7 normal... |
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| 14:18.02 | homie | and maybe it's that when networks change, routers get anew, and i type in apt-get update on the console, and dbus was running, dbus still is bound to old route or so i don't know..... |
| 14:18.45 | homie | maybe that's triggering it....can't say for sure though... |
| 14:18.55 | thewanderer1 | dbus doesn't use IP networking, does it? |
| 14:19.16 | homie | it uses ssh-agent |
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| 14:19.50 | thewanderer1 | hm, not the other way round? |
| 14:20.33 | thewanderer1 | oh, ssh-agent launches dbus-launch... |
| 14:20.41 | homie | yes yes |
| 14:21.06 | thewanderer1 | but this is only to set environmental variables, no IP networking takes place |
| 14:21.18 | thewanderer1 | it's just a KDE's wrapper |
| 14:21.26 | homie | hmmmm |
| 14:21.40 | homie | ok then maybe it is Xorg ? |
| 14:21.47 | homie | i don't know .... |
| 14:21.59 | thewanderer1 | have you checked dmesg to see if your kernel is not killing processes? |
| 14:22.08 | thewanderer1 | do you have swap? |
| 14:23.22 | thewanderer1 | `apt-get update` sometimes eats up large amounts of memory when processing lists (especially when dealing with large sources - testing+sid+experimental), and when you run out of memory, the killing begins :P |
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| 14:23.32 | homie | ah found this one Xorg[2793]: segfault at f000eeff ip 08195020 sp bf9e8e20 error 5 in Xorg[8048000+199000] |
| 14:23.54 | thewanderer1 | right... any other traces of failures? |
| 14:24.07 | stew | "ssh-agent launches dbus-launch" but not because they are at all related, just because Xsession starup is insane |
| 14:24.19 | homie | and this one CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1212337) |
| 14:24.19 | homie | [59523.851994] CPU0: Temperature/speed normal |
| 14:24.19 | homie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.23 | thewanderer1 | stew: yes, I know... |
| 14:24.31 | thewanderer1 | homie: there you go, your CPU is overheating |
| 14:25.00 | homie | and mtrr 4 not used stays there too |
| 14:25.11 | thewanderer1 | stew: still, I like having ssh-agent launched with KDE :P |
| 14:25.22 | stew | sure :) |
| 14:25.36 | antivirtel | hi! www-data has bash shell, is it required, or this is no security risk? |
| 14:25.48 | homie | but i have alot of cpu temperature overheating and getting reset whilst my kde session runs, whithout problems, i don't think it is due to that therefore |
| 14:26.09 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: this is not required, if you use PHP or some CGI it may be useful, otherwise you don't need it most likely |
| 14:26.30 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 yes, I use php5 |
| 14:26.43 | antivirtel | so this is required? |
| 14:26.46 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: do you use it as fastcgi? |
| 14:26.53 | thewanderer1 | or as an Apache module? |
| 14:27.00 | antivirtel | as an apache2 modul |
| 14:27.03 | antivirtel | +e |
| 14:27.08 | thewanderer1 | homie: memory errors might be triggered by high temperatures - memories tend to fail when it's hot |
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| 14:27.20 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: then you can turn off the shell for www-data |
| 14:27.28 | antivirtel | ok, thanks |
| 14:27.50 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: that is, unless you need shell_exec() or exec() |
| 14:28.01 | thewanderer1 | (most sane apps shouldn't be using that anyway) |
| 14:28.38 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 I think this isnt required, I run a WP and some static site :) |
| 14:28.46 | antivirtel | +s |
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| 14:29.45 | antivirtel | and thewanderer1, has it got pwd? |
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| 14:30.11 | homie | hmmm, i think i have to look again at the cooling system... one of the screws is a little loose but overall the cooling fan sits tight on the processor... |
| 14:30.18 | homie | but i seen very much dirt on it.... |
| 14:30.31 | stew | antivirtel: typically not "getent shadow www-data" should show a * or x in the second field |
| 14:31.04 | homie | oh man, i will have to screw all back and get it out and whatnot....bah |
| 14:31.12 | antivirtel | stew it shows "*" |
| 14:32.20 | stew | antivirtel: since that isn't a valid hash, it means it allow password logins |
| 14:32.43 | antivirtel | allow? |
| 14:32.50 | stew | does not* sorry |
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| 14:33.06 | antivirtel | :D ok, thanks thewanderer1 & stew :) |
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| 14:33.51 | juniorsa | Does anyone have a suggestion for an inexpensive reliable external disk array to use for backups? would you just use jbod and target a different disk for different days? |
| 14:34.01 | juniorsa | I guess no one uses tape anymore |
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| 14:34.56 | dkr | the r in raid stands for reliable |
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| 14:35.13 | petemc | no it doesnt |
| 14:35.14 | antivirtel | who uses rtorrent, how can I add a new tracker? |
| 14:35.38 | dkr | petemc: sorry. forgot to add the smiley. :) |
| 14:35.42 | petemc | ah :) |
| 14:36.10 | cathrin-tux | my load average is high, on a dual xeon server. 0.75 to be precise. I cant see anything in top that would push it that high, only like 7% cpu usage max. whys my load average so high? |
| 14:36.28 | petemc | processes waiting for disk? |
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| 14:37.03 | cathrin-tux | I dont know, is there a way to check? |
| 14:37.32 | petemc | ps aux| grep D |
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| 14:37.58 | juniorsa | dkr: can you recommend an external storage? |
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| 14:38.16 | cathrin-tux | so that will show me whats waiting to write to disk? |
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| 14:39.01 | petemc | processes in D state are waiting for disk, and are the most common cause for high loads |
| 14:39.06 | petemc | ime |
| 14:40.17 | cathrin-tux | petemc: thanks. I'll try and catch the process when my load average spikes again |
| 14:40.28 | petemc | theres also iotop |
| 14:40.53 | raz | anyone know how to disable ipv6 permanently in debian? |
| 14:41.10 | petemc | !disable ipv6 |
| 14:41.10 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 14:41.14 | raz | i see curious (probably malicious) connections in netstat that have ipv4 endpoints but go over tcp6 |
| 14:41.26 | cathrin-tux | petemc: awesome, thanks :) |
| 14:41.35 | petemc | np |
| 14:41.36 | raz | petemc: thx |
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| 14:43.05 | raz | petemc: do you have experience with this, would it be safe to set all chains in ip6tables to default DROP? |
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| 14:43.38 | raz | or might that affect my legit traffic? |
| 14:44.10 | petemc | if you dont have any legitimate ipv6 traffic i cant imagine that causing a problem |
| 14:44.22 | kefalo | raz, if you dont have ipv6 disable it... thats best solution |
| 14:44.36 | raz | kefalo: yea i'm just looking for a temp fix before i get a chance to reboot |
| 14:44.50 | kefalo | k |
| 14:45.07 | raz | added the drop rule, lets see if those connections calm down |
| 14:45.14 | nsadmin | what is it you're trying to fix? are there -existing- connections you want to stop? |
| 14:45.26 | raz | yes |
| 14:45.38 | nsadmin | to which ports? |
| 14:45.46 | nsadmin | is your auth.log growing? |
| 14:45.47 | stew | raz: are you sure you are seeing ipv6 connections in netstat? do you actually have ipv6 connectivity to the internet? |
| 14:45.51 | raz | tcp6 0 0 x.x.x.x:1935 y.y.y.y:59874 ESTABLISHED |
| 14:46.11 | raz | stew: that's the curious thing. they are using ip endpoint addresses, but netstat shows tcp6 |
| 14:46.12 | nsadmin | established... so you are using ipv6? |
| 14:46.24 | stew | x.x.x.x is ipv4 |
| 14:46.26 | raz | also i can't seem to block them with iptables, i even see new ones incoming now after i set ipv6 to DROP |
| 14:46.47 | raz | looks like someone is playing games with this host |
| 14:46.49 | raz | is not amused |
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| 14:47.05 | ragnar_ | i all |
| 14:47.22 | nsadmin | u all! |
| 14:47.26 | raz | wtf.. |
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| 14:47.48 | nsadmin | is your auth.log growing? |
| 14:47.50 | raz | i have set all ip6tables chains to DROP. i have the origin ip set to DROP in ipv4tables in all directions. |
| 14:47.55 | raz | and it's *still* making new ones |
| 14:47.58 | samtuke | I'm installing debian with encrypted LVM. Will I be able to resize the encrypted partitions at a later date, and if so, what tools would I use? |
| 14:48.03 | nsadmin | is your auth.log growing? |
| 14:48.25 | ragnar_ | i need >>> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/tap0/proxy_arp <<< for an virtual machine. but i dont have it? what do i have to do to get it? |
| 14:48.27 | nsadmin | how do you expect help if you're ranting instead of helping? |
| 14:48.30 | raz | nsadmin: nope |
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| 14:48.53 | stew | raz: are you sure you know which side is originating? even if you have one of the ips to drop, traffic could still be allowed by a ESTABLISHED match if it matches first |
| 14:49.01 | cathrin-tux | my auth.log is filled with failed passwords for a nonexistant user, "fluffy". weird. |
| 14:49.08 | kefalo | samtuke, yes you will be able to resize it... how... google it |
| 14:49.27 | nsadmin | raz, what's the shape of your net? one computer, to one cable/dsl modem? |
| 14:49.29 | raz | stew: well, i have also set the ip to DROP in the output chain |
| 14:49.30 | eldowan | is there a cli file transfer method that shows progress? |
| 14:49.43 | raz | nsadmin: this is a production server |
| 14:49.55 | samtuke | kefalo: I have been. I'm getting poor results. Have you actually done it? Can you give me the name of one of the utilities that would be used? |
| 14:49.58 | stew | raz: do you have an ESTABLISHED match in the output chain? |
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| 14:50.39 | raz | stew: no. but: netstat -n | grep badip | wc -l keeps fluctuating. it should only go down with the rules i have? |
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| 14:50.49 | Genk1 | !help |
| 14:50.55 | raz | however i'll add an established match, too |
| 14:50.57 | stew | raz: what processes own those ports? |
| 14:51.05 | stew | raz: no, established woudl allow MORE traffic |
| 14:51.06 | raz | stew: a java server |
| 14:51.08 | stew | raz: i mean, it could |
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| 14:51.16 | raz | ah.. |
| 14:51.24 | raz | no, iptables is completely blank, except for the DROP rules that i just added |
| 14:51.41 | kefalo | samtuke, yes i have done it... and lot worst things with encrypted partitions :) i just google things up when i need them and forget it later... |
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| 14:52.02 | nsadmin | they are drop rules, or setting the chain's default behavior to drop? |
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| 14:52.39 | raz | nsadmin: iptables -I INPUT -s bad.ip -j DROP (did that for INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD) |
| 14:52.49 | raz | nsadmin: in ipv6tables i just did ipv6tables -P DROP for all chains |
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| 14:53.16 | nsadmin | err oh, -P, is what, chain policy? |
| 14:53.19 | raz | yes |
| 14:53.26 | nsadmin | that's what I meant before :) |
| 14:53.36 | raz | Chain INPUT (policy DROP) |
| 14:54.03 | raz | hm.. weird stuff |
| 14:54.23 | nsadmin | what is that port they're connecting to |
| 14:54.35 | nsadmin | and what is listening on that port |
| 14:54.37 | raz | nsadmin: server port of a java media server |
| 14:54.47 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 14:55.07 | raz | it grabbed my attention because that ip has >200 connections, where normal is only 1-2 |
| 14:55.11 | nsadmin | and not setting the port in the rule means all ports? |
| 14:55.19 | samtuke | kefalo: thanks! |
| 14:55.27 | raz | afaik the policy should be ..well, the policy |
| 14:55.33 | raz | but i'll add an explicit rule on that ip in ip6tables |
| 14:55.52 | raz | hmm |
| 14:55.55 | stew | forget ipv6, this is ipv4 |
| 14:56.05 | cathrin-tux | my load average is peaking at 0.64 again, and I cant see any culprots |
| 14:56.08 | raz | it seems i can't add v4 ip rules in ip6tables anyways |
| 14:56.08 | cathrin-tux | *culprits |
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| 14:56.18 | raz | stew: yes but netstat shows tcp6 |
| 14:56.26 | stew | that doesn't matter |
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| 14:56.43 | raz | well, that was my best explanation for iptables no catching it :( |
| 14:57.01 | raz | i also ran chkrootkit on that host, found nothing |
| 14:57.02 | nsadmin | one thing to consider is the server itself is probably not where you want to be adding rules, you want to do it in the router |
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| 14:57.53 | raz | nsadmin: it's in a colo, don't have router access. also i really want iptables to work. |
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| 14:58.25 | raz | next thing would be trying to set a null-route, but iptables not working worries me |
| 14:58.49 | nsadmin | ok, from what I understand, input and output are relevent, forward is not |
| 14:58.55 | raz | ah! |
| 14:59.06 | raz | perhaps the nat table is playing a role here |
| 14:59.19 | raz | i have a redirect from port X to the port that the connections are going to |
| 14:59.20 | nsadmin | is it natted somehow? |
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| 14:59.33 | raz | but input should drop them before they are redirected, no? |
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| 14:59.38 | nsadmin | the mysterious port X |
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| 14:59.56 | raz | nsadmin: port 80 ;) |
| 15:00.08 | nsadmin | well I think Stew understands this stuff better than I do |
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| 15:02.05 | stew | PREROUTING (where DNAT happens) happens before INPUT |
| 15:02.33 | raz | stew: ok then that is probably my problem. |
| 15:02.44 | raz | i even added a DROP rule there, but iptables says it's deprecated and doesn't work either |
| 15:02.56 | stew | but if you are matching on source address, that doesn't change during prerouting |
| 15:03.21 | raz | nope, i'm matching dpt |
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| 15:03.47 | raz | btw i just discovered ##Netfilter, i'll take my question there :) |
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| 15:08.49 | Kottizen | Ok, so, something very weird just happened. What does it mean and how do I solve it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/551103 |
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| 15:17.29 | notjon13 | Kottizen try apt-get update, then apt-get -f install, and then upgrade |
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| 15:18.16 | Kottizen | Same error, on "apt-get install -f". |
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| 15:19.41 | notjon13 | Kottizen maybe apt-et --reinstall install libc6 |
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| 15:19.44 | notjon13 | apt-get* |
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| 15:20.22 | stew | that would only help if somehow his maintainer scripts got altered, which I doubt |
| 15:21.19 | Kottizen | Didn't work either, no. :( |
| 15:21.28 | notjon13 | well, then try 'dpkg --configure -a', and then apt-get install libc6-xen |
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| 15:24.29 | Kottizen | Same error on "dpkg --configure -a". |
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| 15:28.43 | stew | Kottizen: you can try debugging it with "sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst configure" |
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| 15:30.21 | Kottizen | stew: thank you |
| 15:30.32 | Kottizen | the output doesn't make any sense to be though |
| 15:30.32 | Kottizen | http://paste.ubuntu.com/551113 |
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| 15:31.48 | stew | Kottizen: what does "dpkg -S etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf" return? |
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| 15:32.36 | Kottizen | libc6-xen: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf |
| 15:32.43 | stew | Kottizen: is libc6-xen installed? |
| 15:33.07 | Kottizen | yes, but not upgraded |
| 15:33.46 | stew | Kottizen: does the md5sum in "dpkg -s libc6-xen" match "md5sum /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf" ? |
| 15:33.59 | stew | Kottizen: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6-xen"? |
| 15:34.02 | notjon13 | well, you can do it the lame way and try searching for hwcap in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf and editing it |
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| 15:34.17 | stew | i'd not recommend editing it |
| 15:34.27 | notjon13 | I would. |
| 15:34.37 | stew | if there is really a bug in this package we should be it reported |
| 15:34.52 | stew | if the problem is that he doesn't have the maintainer version, he should get the maintainer version |
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| 15:34.58 | notjon13 | There probably isn't. |
| 15:35.19 | notjon13 | His package manager just got messed up by a partly installed package. |
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| 15:35.38 | stew | correctly, since the package doesn't configure |
| 15:36.44 | Kottizen | stew: I get |
| 15:36.45 | Kottizen | ps:~# md5sum "dpkg -s libc6-xen" |
| 15:36.45 | Kottizen | md5sum: dpkg -s libc6-xen: No such file or directory |
| 15:37.10 | notjon13 | No, I meant it got messe up beforehand. |
| 15:37.12 | Kottizen | And http://paste.ubuntu.com/551115 |
| 15:37.22 | stew | Kottizen: run "md5sum /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf" see if that md5sum matches the one in "dpkg -s libc6-xen" |
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| 15:37.30 | Kottizen | oh ok |
| 15:37.35 | notjon13 | It does, dude. |
| 15:37.52 | hss | hi how can i get latest debian-multimedia keyring ? is it still 2008 ? |
| 15:38.05 | Kottizen | It matches. |
| 15:38.24 | dvs | !multimedia |
| 15:38.25 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 15:38.28 | notjon13 | Told you. Kottizen just find hwcap in that file and edit it so it's not defined as nosegneg. |
| 15:38.44 | Kottizen | let me try, sorry for ignoring it |
| 15:38.57 | notjon13 | no worries. Pastebin the file if you like and I'll take a look. |
| 15:39.02 | stew | Kottizen: you should reportbug libc6-xen so this gets fixed |
| 15:39.13 | Kottizen | notjon13: it's just "hwcap 1 nosegneg" |
| 15:39.16 | Kottizen | stew: I'll do that, thank you |
| 15:39.30 | notjon13 | replace it by hwcap 0 nosegneg |
| 15:39.38 | dvs | hss: You would just have to install the debian-multimedia-keyring package to be up to date. |
| 15:40.04 | Kottizen | notjon13: Worked! :D |
| 15:40.08 | Kottizen | Thank you. |
| 15:40.37 | notjon13 | Yes. It's most definitely not a bug. The file probably got messed up when you interrupted an upgrade or something. |
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| 15:40.47 | raz | stew, nsadmin: wow. a genius in #netfilter figured it out. my java server is using raw sockets, and iptables does not filter raw sockets. but a null-route works. crazy stuff :) |
| 15:41.00 | stew | notjon13: the file didn't get messed up according to dpkg -s |
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| 15:41.53 | hss | dvs: ok i figure it i just miss the non-free part :) |
| 15:42.00 | dvs | ok |
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| 15:42.23 | dvs | non-free? You need that to get the keyring? |
| 15:44.25 | hss | dvs: i already get the keyring i mean in sources.list i miss to add the non-free part |
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| 15:44.46 | hss | but still i can't found the flashplugin ? |
| 15:44.48 | notjon13 | stew the hashes should match. By messed up I mean that an incomplete removal/upgrade left hwcap 1 nosegneg as set. |
| 15:45.01 | dvs | ah |
| 15:45.15 | dvs | hss: the non-free one? |
| 15:45.26 | stew | Kottizen: what does "dpkg -l libc6-xen" say in the first column? ii ? |
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| 15:45.41 | hss | dvs: yes |
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| 15:46.08 | karlpinc | hss: That's not in multimedia. It's in the regular repos. See <overview>. |
| 15:46.25 | dvs | hss: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:46.35 | stew | notjon13: you mean that libc6-xen is in a partially configured state? |
| 15:46.45 | notjon13 | stew yes. |
| 15:46.46 | stew | notjon13: the conffile md5s wouldn't match then |
| 15:46.48 | toni01 | hss: flashplugin-nonfree is in normal debian non-free sources |
| 15:47.02 | stew | toni01: in contrib, not non-free |
| 15:47.04 | hss | yes there is package flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound but i guess not this one right ? |
| 15:47.09 | Kottizen | stew: yes |
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| 15:47.16 | toni01 | stew: of course, sorry |
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| 15:47.33 | stew | notjon13: and it doesn't appear to be partially configured now at least |
| 15:47.37 | notjon13 | no stew, the script checks whether hwcap 1 nosegneg is set before setting it. If it's already set, it fails, obviously because it shouldn't be. |
| 15:47.49 | toni01 | hss: there is also a package without -extrasound |
| 15:47.50 | stew | notjon13: which script? |
| 15:48.01 | hss | http://pastebin.com/LvGzQ5na |
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| 15:48.32 | hss | http://pastebin.com/LvGzQ5na that's my sources.list i dunno what i miss :S |
| 15:48.51 | paxcoder | anyone ever used gmrun? |
| 15:49.11 | dvs | hss: nothing is missing |
| 15:49.11 | notjon13 | stew /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst |
| 15:49.17 | toni01 | paxcoder: me |
| 15:49.29 | stew | notjon13: that would definately be a bug if libc6 was editing a conffile of libc6-xen (by policy 10.7.4) |
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| 15:50.57 | hss | dvs: i cant seen flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 15:50.58 | notjon13 | stew it's more like a system-wide conf file. |
| 15:51.10 | stew | notjon13: libc6-xen declares it as a conffile |
| 15:51.11 | toni01 | hss: whats the error-message? |
| 15:51.25 | hss | nothing just can't seen it :S |
| 15:51.40 | notjon13 | stew dude, no worries. Maybe you're right and it's really a bug and he should report it. I was just telling him how to fix it. I'll let the mantainers of that package worry about their bugs =P. |
| 15:51.42 | dvs | hss: apt-get update? |
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| 15:52.29 | stew | sure, but if there are bugs in stable, i worry about making sure the maintainers knoww that there is a bug |
| 15:52.55 | toni01 | hss: whats the output when you type aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree? (or apt-get, whatever you use...) |
| 15:53.04 | dvs | hss: it should be in the contrib section of the main repo |
| 15:53.04 | paxcoder | toni01, is there a way for it to suggest but not comoplete? ie, i type in ged, it suggest gedit, but doesn't complete it. if it does, and i continue typing, it will say: geditit |
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| 15:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | paxcoder: no. |
| 15:53.50 | hss | toni01: No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:53.56 | paxcoder | jhujhiti, ok, thx. |
| 15:54.00 | haxi | hi everyone |
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| 15:54.29 | haxi | I've a problem, when I play a video on youtube I can't play a song in my music player (amarok) |
| 15:54.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:54.32 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 15:54.39 | toni01 | paxcoder: good question. i only tried it for a few minutes... i use fbrun usally. have you read the man-page? |
| 15:55.00 | haxi | my sound system is pulseaudio... |
| 15:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | haxi: flash does not share the audio device. |
| 15:55.13 | notjon13 | stew that's why you're a better person than me. I just try to make it work and don't really care when they'll fix their software. |
| 15:55.43 | dvs | hss: oh wait. Comment out the cdrom line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:55.56 | toni01 | hss: apt-get (aptitude) update? |
| 15:55.59 | stew | notjon13: the other problem with your solution is that when the package gets upgraded and the new version has a new copy of this conffile, he doesn't get the upgrade |
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| 15:56.20 | haxi | jhutchins_lt: well, it was working on my old system, and now on my new comp: no. There is no way? |
| 15:56.23 | hss | i have no problem with apt-get update everything looks fine :S |
| 15:56.25 | haxi | it's annoying |
| 15:56.28 | notjon13 | yes he does. Because the file was finally left the way the postinst script intended it to be. |
| 15:57.04 | stew | Kottizen: if you check the md5sum in "dpkg -s libc6-xen" does it still match the one now that you've changed it |
| 15:57.04 | paxcoder | toni01, no i only looked into the config file and online, nothing of a sort there. I'm guessing jhutchins is correct, doesn't seem like it'd be capable of doing so. I'll us kupfer |
| 15:57.05 | dvs | hss: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:57.07 | notjon13 | stew the script has changed that line back to hwcap 1 ... |
| 15:57.22 | stew | notjon13: if his md5sum is no longer matching, he'll no longer get upgrades |
| 15:57.29 | notjon13 | it will match. |
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| 15:57.44 | notjon13 | I bet a horse it will match. |
| 15:57.46 | G__81 | tatchi ? |
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| 15:58.16 | paxcoder | toni01, although kupfer deamon's icon looks like this: ♀ |
| 15:58.18 | paxcoder | o.O |
| 15:58.23 | hss | flashplugin-nonfree: |
| 15:58.24 | hss | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.24 | hss | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.24 | hss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.28 | Kottizen | stew: it does |
| 15:58.29 | nsadmin | did the horse win? |
| 15:58.37 | notjon13 | see? you own me a horse. |
| 15:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | hss: It's in backports. |
| 15:58.52 | notjon13 | =) |
| 15:58.57 | nsadmin | nonono, he bet a horse... |
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| 15:59.25 | paxcoder | toni01, that's kupfer daemon's tray icon. |
| 15:59.34 | notjon13 | Just for the record, I wouldn't have suggested that if I thought it was dangerous. |
| 15:59.41 | paxcoder | hides it |
| 16:00.04 | toni01 | paxcoder: cool icon ;) but a better solution for you than searching for the gmrum-thing ;) |
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| 16:00.23 | paxcoder | toni01, yeah, and figuring out your fbrun too ;-P |
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| 16:01.13 | toni01 | paxcoder: it's possible that fbrun is part of fluxbox, i'm not sure |
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| 16:02.10 | paxcoder | toni01, it works on other wm/de's |
| 16:02.22 | fishsponge_ | hey people - strange question... do GUI's exist in debian to allow configuration of apache, samba, etc..... some of our staff members use similar utils in opensuse to do stuff, but we'd like to start roling our debian everywhere :-) |
| 16:02.47 | fishsponge_ | if they do exist, could you let me know what package they're included in, so we can install them and allow people to test? |
| 16:04.12 | stew | fishsponge_: there are many for samba. i don't think there are any for apache |
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| 16:04.46 | zedboy | fishsponge_: I have yet to see a gui for that kind of thing that was really significantly different in user-experience from just editing the config file :) |
| 16:04.59 | rgr | I'm looking for a recommendation for a very light fairly modern netbook that will run Debian Squeeze. Anyone here got a recommendation? |
| 16:05.32 | notjon13 | fishsponge_ http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/apacheweb.htm quick google did it. |
| 16:05.52 | thewanderer1 | rgr: instead of crappy netbooks, go for a ThinkPad and pick a light one - Squeeze supports 100% of the hardware |
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| 16:05.57 | r101011 | any of them... or just get a normal laptop that is around the same price but has a screen you can really use and a full sized keyboard |
| 16:06.00 | notjon13 | the second entry is actually exactly what you want. An interface for both apache and samba. |
| 16:06.07 | rgr | I want a light netbook. I already have thinkpads. |
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| 16:07.18 | zedboy | rgr: then for sure you dont need a netbook, you already have a real laptop! |
| 16:07.19 | rgr | r101011: what do you mean "any of them". Thats nonsense. Many laptops are a pain to set up with Debian. I know. I've installed enough of them ;) |
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| 16:07.35 | rgr | OK,.. forget I asked... I'll go google. |
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| 16:07.52 | r101011 | he mad |
| 16:08.10 | r101011 | i dont see the point in netbooks |
| 16:08.25 | r101011 | when they become to small to have good cpu's and other components |
| 16:08.28 | cahoot | he does? |
| 16:08.45 | zedboy | r101011: if you've been suckered by the behemoth laptops from many manufacturers, you could be happy to find out laptops could be portable too |
| 16:08.49 | thewanderer1 | well, I'd sincerely have recommended him any, if I only knew that any particular model or brand worked with Debian... most require ugly hacks |
| 16:09.13 | tvm | i have asus eee and lenovo l512, both runing Debian without any problems |
| 16:09.43 | thewanderer1 | tvm: Asus eeepc require ACPI hacks and a custom installer, don't they? |
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| 16:10.35 | dvs | would rather have a tablet than a netbook |
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| 16:10.52 | tvm | i just hacked the iso onto USB stick and installed it without any problems |
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| 16:10.53 | dvs | thewanderer1: so does Toshiba |
| 16:10.59 | zedboy | would consider that lenovo netbook with a flip-around touch screen |
| 16:11.04 | thewanderer1 | well ThinkPad L512 is anything but a netbook with the 15,6 screen |
| 16:11.08 | tvm | there was a howto on that matter somewhere. |
| 16:11.11 | thewanderer1 | zedboy: it's crap, I've played with it |
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| 16:11.27 | tvm | i use L512 at work, at home everywhere. |
| 16:11.39 | tvm | have to use squeeze though as there are/were certain issues |
| 16:11.42 | zedboy | thewanderer1: yeah? that sucks :-| |
| 16:11.56 | thewanderer1 | the ThinkPad tablet line-up is fully supported and is light, on the other hand |
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| 16:12.04 | thewanderer1 | (if you don't mind the prices...) |
| 16:12.25 | zedboy | thewanderer1: yeah, they're premium, always have been. Love my T60, and we have a lot of T61s here. |
| 16:13.39 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I've just installed slapd. what do I do with this now? that is, how to start migrating user accounts or anything? |
| 16:14.02 | thewanderer1 | I'm on squeeze and I have this embedded LDIF-based configuration instead of config file and it scares me... |
| 16:14.09 | tvm | i will still have to tackle with ACPI though (on the Thinkpad) as it is anything but economic right now. |
| 16:14.19 | tvm | runs through the battery in 1,5 hours :| |
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| 16:14.36 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 16:15.52 | dvs | my Toshiba dies in 2h. |
| 16:15.57 | ethanol | jelly-home, when upgrading, how to I make it do locales only first? apt-get upgrade locales still results in 295 upgraded packages |
| 16:16.02 | ethanol | s/to/do/ |
| 16:16.42 | stew | ethanol: "apt-get install packagename" to upgrade a package. the upgrade command doesn't take arguments, it tries to upgrade everything |
| 16:16.49 | ethanol | ah |
| 16:16.51 | ethanol | my bad |
| 16:17.19 | stew | if "apt-get upgrade packagename" doesn't throw an error, it probably should |
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| 16:17.58 | zedboy | i think 'apt-get install foo' will install the newer version of foo if it's available |
| 16:18.00 | ethanol | no it just recommends everything needs upgrading and asks if I want to continue |
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| 16:18.13 | ethanol | zedboy, yes it did, done that now, as stew suggested |
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| 16:18.24 | zedboy | oh yeah didn't see that ;) |
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| 16:22.14 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to re-scan the disk for OS'es in GRUB2? |
| 16:22.18 | thewanderer1 | (Squeeze) |
| 16:22.25 | cahoot | os-prober? |
| 16:22.36 | thewanderer1 | so run it and it'll magically work? |
| 16:23.22 | cahoot | that's my impression |
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| 16:24.03 | maligor | update-grub2 |
| 16:24.21 | maligor | you should have os-prober installed tho |
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| 16:28.26 | Kottizen | Anyone with pptp experience? |
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| 16:36.51 | sash_ | i have a broadcom nic in a debian amd64 machine with current backports-kernel (2.6.32-amd64-bpo iirc) and after some hours the card goes down with tg_3_abort_hw timed out. the tg3-firmware is in firmware-nonfree (also backports). any ideas? |
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| 16:38.04 | sash_ | with lenny kernel the card worked for about a week, then just 24hours, with bpo-kernel it now worked... 36 hours. |
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| 16:42.19 | kraehe | has a problem with Lenny and bind9 after updating - libisc50 1:9.6.ESV.R3+dfsg-0+lenny1 is in Lenny, but libdns55 depends on libisc50 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R2+dfsg-0+lenny1) |
| 16:42.31 | sorressean | hello all, Was curious if someone could help me; I am trying to work out how to boot with brltty. |
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| 16:44.52 | stew | judd: depends libdns55 --release lenny-security |
| 16:44.55 | judd | Package libdns55 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap2 (>= 2.11), libisc52 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27). |
| 16:44.55 | kraehe | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg856956.html <- any idea how to fix this this (temporary right now - just on my system ;-) |
| 16:45.29 | kraehe | *oh* I'm not the only one with this bug ;-( |
| 16:45.37 | thewanderer1 | are there tools to let me manage LDAP users and groups, like adduser, addgroup? |
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| 16:45.46 | thewanderer1 | I just don't feel like writing LDIF on my own |
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| 16:45.55 | stew | kraehe: looks like it depends on libisc52 not libisc50 |
| 16:47.00 | martianlobster | what is the point of commenting out the first argument here? http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_45_0/doc/html/boost_asio/tutorial/tuttimer3.html it looks odd to have /* e */ why not just leave it out alltogether? |
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| 16:52.36 | kraehe | stew, I placed bind9 and releated updates on hold - hope they fix the repo soon |
| 16:52.50 | stew | kraehe: the repo looks correct to me |
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| 16:53.12 | stew | kraehe: the problem you are claiming doesn't seem to exist, there isn't a dependency on libisc50 but on libisc52 |
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| 16:54.35 | kraehe | the old one had isc52 dependency - so I now have libisc52 on hold |
| 16:54.54 | kraehe | the new is isc50 dependency, but with the wrong version number |
| 16:55.04 | stew | kraehe: what package has a isc50 dependency? |
| 16:55.48 | kraehe | libdns55 depends on libisc50 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R2+dfsg-0+lenny1) |
| 16:55.57 | stew | judd: depends libdns55 --release lenny-security |
| 16:55.58 | judd | Package libdns55 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap2 (>= 2.11), libisc52 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27). |
| 16:56.02 | stew | kraehe: ^^^ it depends on libisc52 |
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| 16:56.50 | kraehe | stew, the old working one depended on isc52 - the new current repository wants isc50 with wrong version number |
| 16:57.37 | stew | oh, i see, this is different for amd64 |
| 16:57.45 | stew | judd: depends libdns55 --release lenny-security --arch amd64 |
| 16:57.46 | judd | Package libdns55 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap2 (>= 2.11), libisc50 (= 1:9.6.ESV.R2+dfsg-0+lenny1), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27). |
| 16:57.58 | stew | judd: versions libisc50 --arch amd64 |
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| 16:57.59 | judd | Package libisc50 on amd64 -- lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R3+dfsg-0+lenny1 |
| 16:58.48 | stew | kraehe: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 16:59.07 | kraehe | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg856956.html <- vote for this one, stew |
| 16:59.24 | stew | vote? |
| 16:59.41 | kraehe | *lol* ok - me is used to jira, where one can vote for fixing bugs |
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| 17:00.57 | kraehe | and i'm not using amd64 architecture (i think) but 32bit |
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| 17:01.21 | stew | kraehe: this problem only exists for amd64 |
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| 17:02.10 | kraehe | what file in /etc tells my architecture? |
| 17:02.27 | kraehe | uname -a -> Linux durruti.kephra.de 2.6.32-5-vserver-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 10 19:15:00 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:02.47 | kraehe | the kernel certainly does not look like amd64 ;-) |
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| 17:03.31 | kraehe | *oups* me wrong window - stupid admin ;-) |
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| 17:03.59 | kraehe | *lol* 2.6.26-2-amd64 *ok* its an amd64 problem ;-) |
| 17:04.12 | jhutchins | I think instead of voting on debian bugs you have to add a "me too" comment. |
| 17:04.35 | kraehe | jhutchins, the classical (AOL) button? |
| 17:04.52 | stew | kraehe: see here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607113#10 |
| 17:04.54 | jhutchins | kraehe: Lost me on that one. |
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| 17:06.27 | stew | kraehe: so it looks like the solution is to remove libdns55 |
| 17:06.49 | kraehe | then dsel wants to remove everything up to bind9 |
| 17:06.59 | stew | kraehe: use aptitude for this |
| 17:07.42 | stew | kraehe: which is coverred in this and the subsequent two messages: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2010/12/msg00111.html |
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| 17:14.12 | jmd | I can't start my postgres server. |
| 17:14.37 | jmd | /etc/init.d/postgres start returns 0 but starts nothing. |
| 17:14.48 | karlpinc | jmd: What do the logs say? |
| 17:14.51 | jmd | There's nothing in syslog to indicate a error. |
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| 17:15.16 | karlpinc | jmd: /var/log/daemon? |
| 17:15.45 | stew | jmd: try "sh -x /etc/init.d/postgres start" to see what the script is doing |
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| 17:19.51 | jmd | Nothing in /var/log/deamon |
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| 17:20.54 | stew | postgres would log in /var/log/postgresql anyway |
| 17:21.10 | stew | jmd: what version of postgres are you hoping to start? |
| 17:21.19 | jmd | 8.3 |
| 17:21.32 | stew | jmd: do you have /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 ? |
| 17:21.59 | jmd | stew, Yes. That's what I've been calling |
| 17:22.01 | stew | jmd: use that instead of etc/init.d/postgresql |
| 17:22.15 | stew | oh, that's not what you said before |
| 17:22.20 | jmd | Sorry I meant to have said it. |
| 17:22.29 | stew | jmd: can you show us the output of "sh -x /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start" |
| 17:23.48 | jmd | http://pastebin.com/qHdN5ypB |
| 17:24.17 | stew | jmd: /etc/postgresql/8.3 doesn't exist? |
| 17:24.43 | jmd | That's right. It doesn't. |
| 17:24.47 | stew | that's why |
| 17:25.02 | stew | jmd: someone must have deleted it |
| 17:25.21 | catsup | i didn't do it |
| 17:25.23 | jmd | stew, What's supposed to install it? |
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| 17:27.55 | stew | jmd: postgresql-8.3 |
| 17:28.12 | jmd | I installed that about 5 mins ago. |
| 17:28.19 | stew | jmd: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:29.11 | stew | jmd: someone deleted the directory before you installed |
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| 17:30.13 | jmd | But shouldn't it have been (re)created when I installed? |
| 17:30.18 | meder | I have the users 'chris' and 'john' as members of the 'web' group. I have /var/www/html as owned by chris:web. If I am chris and I create a file it becomes owned by chris:chris. How can I make it so all future files in that directory are group writeable/readable by 'web' group? |
| 17:30.26 | stew | jmd: no, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:30.35 | meder | If I am chris, I want to make it so if I create a file its chris:web |
| 17:30.37 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.46 | stew | jmd: if you delete conffiles it is assumed that you don't want them |
| 17:31.05 | stew | meder: make the directory g+s |
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| 17:31.23 | stew | meder: and make sure your umask is 002 when you create the file |
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| 17:31.41 | meder | stew: sudo chmod g+s /var/www/html ? |
| 17:31.42 | jmd | How the hell does the system know that a directory/file has been deleted, and not simply that it never existed in the first place. |
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| 17:32.21 | stew | jmd: becuase when you remove a pacakge but don't purge it, configurtion files and info about this is stored in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 17:32.40 | stew | meder: yes (you might read http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions ) |
| 17:33.10 | meder | i think the umask is still off |
| 17:33.19 | meder | when i create a new file its only writeable by original user |
| 17:33.23 | meder | but the group changed |
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| 17:33.37 | meder | maybe i was supposed to do g+sw? |
| 17:33.40 | stew | no |
| 17:33.47 | stew | meder: debian defaults the umask to 022 and you want 002 |
| 17:34.14 | meder | what can i do to fix that, then? |
| 17:34.30 | stew | "umask 002" will set it for that session |
| 17:34.42 | meder | permanently for that directory would be great |
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| 17:34.46 | meder | if possible.. |
| 17:34.56 | stew | meder: you'd have to use extended acls and set a default |
| 17:35.02 | jmd | --reinstall doesn't fix it :( |
| 17:35.05 | meder | is there an easier way? |
| 17:36.41 | stew | meder: you could make umask 002 for ALL logins |
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| 17:37.01 | K1BJWQ | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We support the new Republican House of Representatives. Be sure to join today, during the congressional reading of the constitution, where we will comment on the political state of this nation. GOD BLESS JOHN BOEHNER, ERIC CANTOR AND THE NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! K1BJWQ otibom maxxe AimHere githogori asdfasdfsaf sneezewort dvs timahvo1 meder proller Ralfi Sideb Lns Sieben Cibort jmd R |
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| 17:37.02 | ksk | you can set it in ~/.profile, too iirc |
| 17:37.02 | stew | meder: (but this won't help if people are creating files using apache or by sending them via ftp for instance) |
| 17:37.08 | ksk | wtf |
| 17:37.22 | meder | hm |
| 17:37.30 | Cibort | No me interesa su caga de canal |
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| 17:37.37 | Cubey- | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We support the new Republican House of Representatives. Be sure to join today, during the congressional reading of the constitution, where we will comment on the political state of this nation. GOD BLESS JOHN BOEHNER, ERIC CANTOR AND THE NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! Cubey- otibom maxxe AimHere githogori asdfasdfsaf sneezewort dvs timahvo1 meder proller Ralfi Sideb Lns Sieben Cibort jmd ROlds blow |
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| 17:37.41 | Cibort | No me interesa su caga de canal |
| 17:37.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:37.50 | Cibort | >:( |
| 17:37.54 | simonrvn | pats the bot |
| 17:38.07 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to setup kerberized SSH on Debian? |
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| 17:40.14 | meder | stew: i can set umask in .bashrc? |
| 17:40.18 | meder | of 002 |
| 17:40.20 | meder | that might be ok |
| 17:40.22 | stew | meder: yes |
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| 17:45.37 | thewanderer1 | what do I need to log onto SSH via Kerberos? |
| 17:45.39 | mattux | Cibort jajajajajaja |
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| 17:45.49 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:45.49 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:46.07 | thewanderer1 | do I need a 'ticket' for every client host? |
| 17:46.19 | mattux | Yes abrotman thx |
| 17:46.20 | negge | there seems to be a problem with one of my disk drives (sdb), but although I unplug it (both power and SATA cable) Linux doesn't notice it so it won't remove it |
| 17:46.33 | negge | any way to "force" it to rescan the sata controller without rebooting? |
| 17:46.42 | abrotman | !rescan scsi |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | i heard scsi rescan is echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Functionality now in sysfs (scsi host has scan node, scsi device has a rescan node). Alternatively, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh, or see the scsiadd package. |
| 17:47.12 | negge | abrotman: so I just run that while it's unplugged? |
| 17:50.36 | martianlobster | I am working with udp multicast for the first time. I have two clients listening to 239.255.0.1 and they are bound to 0.0.0.0. When I do a netstat -lu I see two entries: "udp 0 0 *:30001 *:*" How do these entries relate to the addresses 0.0.0.0 and 239.255.0.1 |
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| 17:53.21 | andares | hey, how do I list the contents of a package? |
| 17:54.07 | stew | andares: on that is installed or not? or a .deb? |
| 17:54.12 | ksk | you installed it? if yes: dpkg -L $package |
| 17:54.31 | andares | stew: installed. |
| 17:54.32 | andares | ah |
| 17:54.55 | andares | the heck. |
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| 17:55.07 | andares | libboost-signals-dev just contained the copyright and changelog. |
| 17:55.08 | andares | nothing else. |
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| 17:55.26 | andares | so did libboost-dev... |
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| 17:55.38 | stew | andares: check the package description, its probably a metapacakge |
| 17:55.44 | stew | (just existing to depend on other packages) |
| 17:55.58 | andares | ah, okay. |
| 17:56.34 | negge | abrotman: thank you so much, the drive seems to work again now |
| 17:56.42 | negge | I'll need to remember this trick in the future |
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| 17:56.57 | mac- | hi |
| 17:57.22 | mac- | can you provide any useful tutorial how to build Debian Package ? |
| 17:57.38 | ksk | guess theres something on google ;) |
| 17:57.43 | mac- | hm |
| 17:57.44 | mac- | :/ |
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| 17:58.23 | ksk | i dont know anything about it, but looks like a popular topic |
| 17:58.40 | stew | mac-: rebuild an existing package? or create a new one? |
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| 18:03.42 | negge | one more question guys. I just yanked out the SATA cable from one of the disk in a RAID1 array. It used to be /dev/sdc but now it's suddenly /dev/sdg, and the array is degraded |
| 18:03.46 | negge | how do I get it back to sdc? |
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| 18:07.40 | nbca | Hey, I recently installed Debian Testing on this machine. It has a Realtek ALC269 sound card in it, which doesn't work with the stock kernel 2.6.32 in testing. The driver was added in 2.6.34 and I tried upgrading to the recent 2.6.37rc7 package in experimental as I couldn't find any mention of a i686 release below that and above 2.6.34. |
| 18:08.12 | thewanderer1 | a question for you - how does a kerberized SSH server know where to find the keytab? |
| 18:08.26 | thewanderer1 | in other words, where do I set the path to the keytab file? |
| 18:08.52 | thewanderer1 | nbca: hm, so what? |
| 18:08.53 | nbca | I tried searching for a patch to the kernel but didn't find any but an Ubuntu one for their 10.04 release I couldn't get to work, and the 2.6.37rc7 release doesn't have any headers file in eperimental(some deps not fulfilled), do you guys know how I can get my audio thing to work? |
| 18:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | Oy. Mounted an empty USB drive, now kde won't unmount it, claims a file is open (no files exist). |
| 18:09.20 | stew | nbca: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 18:09.21 | thewanderer1 | nbca: if the driver was added, why are you looking for a patch? |
| 18:09.52 | nbca | thewanderer1: was looking for a patch to the 2.6.32 kernel since the 2.6.37 rc doesn't have an equivalent headers package |
| 18:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | umount doesn't complain. |
| 18:10.12 | thewanderer1 | nbca: compile 2.6.36.2 yourself |
| 18:10.37 | stew | m-a makes it easy to recompile just alsa into the currently running kernel |
| 18:10.38 | thewanderer1 | (actually, you can pick 2.6.34, too - 2.6.36 is said to be of poor quality... I myself haven't tried it on desktops yet) |
| 18:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:10.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-rc7-686 (2.6.37~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:11.04 | thewanderer1 | stew: I didn't know ALSA could be recompiled as modules |
| 18:11.23 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's compiled as modules to begin with. |
| 18:11.27 | Erbureth | 2.6.36 has poor responsiveness when under io load |
| 18:11.41 | thewanderer1 | Erbureth: I have yet to see that, actually... |
| 18:11.44 | Erbureth | .37 is only a bit better |
| 18:11.52 | stew | thewanderer1: yeah, we have a separate alsa-source package |
| 18:12.28 | thewanderer1 | okay, nbca should try m-a then |
| 18:12.29 | Erbureth | thewanderer1: be glad. BrainFuck scheduler is said to fix the problem, but i have yet to try it |
| 18:12.31 | dvs | Erbureth: no kidding! ;-) |
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| 18:13.18 | nbca | It says I need debconf-utils should I just install that one with apt-get -t unstable install debconf-utils? |
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| 18:15.22 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 18:16.17 | stew | nbca: you can use debconf-utils from squeeze, no need for -t unstable |
| 18:16.51 | nbca | stew: OK thanks |
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| 18:24.42 | abrotman | damnitdpkgisinsecure! |
| 18:25.01 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... when will debian 6 released ? |
| 18:25.06 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: /topic |
| 18:25.10 | stew | cobra-the-joker: when it has fewer release critical bugs |
| 18:26.30 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm .ok |
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| 18:27.13 | stew | cobra-the-joker: debian releases when goals have been met instead of on a schedule so its impossible to give you a more satisfactory answer |
| 18:27.16 | nbca | stew: thanks it worked |
| 18:27.21 | stew | nbca: excellent |
| 18:27.57 | cobra-the-joker | stew , thats more satisfactory |
| 18:28.14 | stew | I aim to satisfy! |
| 18:28.15 | cobra-the-joker | to know that they are really focusing on stability |
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| 18:28.42 | stew | cobra-the-joker: its likely to be within the next two months |
| 18:28.58 | cobra-the-joker | aha ... cool |
| 18:29.22 | stew | but don't bet the server farm on it |
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| 18:29.41 | cobra-the-joker | still 5 here |
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| 18:35.04 | Erbureth | two months? cool :) Already deploying to server anyway :D |
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| 18:36.45 | nbca | Debian Squeeze seems very stable already |
| 18:36.46 | stew | Erbureth: its a guess based on watching the number of rc bugs |
| 18:37.09 | Erbureth | indeed |
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| 18:37.25 | Erbureth | i have seen that the number went down pretty fast recently |
| 18:38.15 | dvs | 91 RC bugs |
| 18:38.22 | Erbureth | 91? |
| 18:38.25 | dvs | yup |
| 18:38.44 | Erbureth | http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/rc-stats/ says something |
| 18:38.47 | Erbureth | something else |
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| 18:39.16 | dvs | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:39.18 | Erbureth | 43 from maintainers' view |
| 18:39.49 | dvs | is happy if it's under 100 |
| 18:42.03 | Bennit | Hi all |
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| 18:42.28 | Bennit | how do I tell sshfs to be available to all users? |
| 18:42.44 | Erbureth | add those users to fuse group |
| 18:42.49 | Bennit | if I check the permissions of an sshfs-mounted directory from a different user than the one mounting it |
| 18:42.52 | Bennit | ok |
| 18:42.55 | Bennit | aha |
| 18:43.05 | Bennit | read something about that but couldn't find it back |
| 18:43.06 | Erbureth | ah, you mean something else |
| 18:43.14 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to setup password changing via Kerberos? so that passwd changes the krb5 principal password? |
| 18:43.56 | Erbureth | i am not sure then, never tried it... maybe some options to sshfs command |
| 18:44.10 | Bennit | Well i specified the groupid and userid |
| 18:44.27 | Bennit | (since they are different from the remote server) |
| 18:44.47 | Bennit | but when I inspect the permissions in the user corresponding to the groupid, it all says ????? |
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| 18:47.05 | Erbureth | possibly idmap=TYPE option? (just a wild guess) |
| 18:47.05 | Bennit | http://pastebin.com/uY8AJXRC # this is the "error" |
| 18:47.09 | thewanderer1 | Bennit: sshfs won't be able to support UID/GID properly because the remote end does not usually allow this - from the server's perspective, you're just another user... |
| 18:47.16 | wooden | I've got two physical disks in this 1U server. I want to set up a Debian system on one disk and mirror it to the other with software RAID1. I'd like to use LVM as well. Do I set up the system with LVM on one disk, and then create the RAID1 after the fact, or do I need to set the two drives up as RAID1 beforehand? Is this possible using the Debian installer? |
| 18:47.45 | Bennit | so I gotta mount the remote folder for each user i want to have access to it, mkay |
| 18:48.00 | thewanderer1 | wooden: you set up LVM *inside* RAID, and this is supported by the installer |
| 18:48.11 | Bennit | is there no way around this by starting a ftpserver hosting access to this one folder? |
| 18:48.54 | thewanderer1 | Bennit: you can tunnel NFS via SSH |
| 18:49.09 | Bennit | googles |
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| 18:50.03 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:51.57 | wooden | thewanderer1: Thanks. When I run to the installer I get to the 'partition disks' step before I see anything about RAID. |
| 18:52.14 | thewanderer1 | wooden: yeah, you set up software RAID in the partitioner |
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| 18:53.01 | danols | any idea why this might not be working ? */5 * * * * tar -cf /srv/www/django/ryatt/src/ryatt/ryatt.sqlite3.db-`date +%F-%Hh%Mm`.tar /srv/www/django/ryatt/src/ryatt/ryatt.sqlite3.db |
| 18:53.52 | dvs | danols: the full path for tar is not specified |
| 18:54.22 | danols | dvs: OHHH |
| 18:54.27 | danols | ok what is the full path ? |
| 18:54.38 | tech13 | danols, attempting to run as user 'tar'? |
| 18:54.50 | thewanderer1 | danols: `which tar` will tell you the full path |
| 18:54.55 | stew | danols: where does that line appear? |
| 18:55.03 | stew | danols: that crontab entry? |
| 18:55.06 | dvs | /bin/tar |
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| 18:55.53 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm trying to set up passwd so that it changes Kerberos password, but passwd tells me: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): user "thewanderer" does not exist in /etc/passwd |
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| 18:56.16 | danols | i don't understand cron |
| 18:56.30 | danols | I just want to add this tar ... to be run |
| 18:56.38 | thewanderer1 | I have enabled krb5 PAM module |
| 18:56.39 | danols | i'm using crontab -e to edit the file |
| 18:56.58 | danols | which tar cool! |
| 18:56.59 | danols | thanks |
| 18:57.02 | dvs | danols: tar doesnt have a PATH notmally |
| 18:57.04 | wooden | thewanderer1: Thanks a lot. I'm getting it now. |
| 18:57.17 | dvs | *normally |
| 18:57.31 | danols | do I have to activate my cron somehow ? |
| 18:57.39 | danols | it's a default debian install |
| 18:57.45 | danols | or how can I test the cron works |
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| 18:57.58 | thewanderer1 | dvs: you are implying that he's editing the global crontab which contains the USER field, and he is not |
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| 18:58.23 | danols | i am doing my edit by typing crontab -e ? |
| 18:58.27 | danols | it bring a file that I can edit |
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| 18:58.51 | stew | danols: yes, then you are doing the correct thing, and besides the path, i don't see anything else wrong |
| 18:59.01 | danols | ok i'll wait 5 mins and see if it backed up :P |
| 18:59.09 | stew | danols: does it run correctly when the user running "crontab -e" tries running it in a shell? |
| 18:59.16 | thewanderer1 | danols: do you see cron logs in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
| 18:59.36 | danols | stew: it runs fine I tested and wrote it myself |
| 18:59.50 | danols | thewanderer1: brb |
| 19:00.09 | stew | yeah, checking if cron is actually running is good |
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| 19:01.35 | coops89 | I have a lot of users with unique id's which are going to use my box. do I really need to add them as explicit users or can I just create files and run scripts etc with their particular UID? |
| 19:01.51 | coops89 | all IDs are 10k+ |
| 19:01.59 | thewanderer1 | coops89: it depends on your services, but most can run with just numbers, like NFS |
| 19:02.03 | thewanderer1 | (not NFSv4 tho) |
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| 19:02.11 | coops89 | cool, thanks |
| 19:02.22 | thewanderer1 | you'll need custom launchers though :P |
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| 19:02.51 | squidly | I'm using Lenny, and trying to setup automated updates on a number of systems. |
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| 19:03.15 | coops89 | yeah, they won't really use and command line stuff, it's more sftp + file permissions + www content etc |
| 19:03.24 | thewanderer1 | guys, any idea how to set up PAM so that passwd changes my krb5 password instead of trying to inspect /etc/passwd ? |
| 19:04.16 | thewanderer1 | coops89: provided that you can force sftp to authenticate them, yes. for WWW content (suPHP with unknown UIDs for example) it's perfectly fine, same goes for file permissions |
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| 19:04.32 | thewanderer1 | (on ZFS, file permissions might not work as expected though) |
| 19:04.49 | satdav | Hey guys I spoke to my host the packages are not installed so how do i install them |
| 19:06.07 | stew | satdav: "aptitude install package1 package2 package3"? we might need more context |
| 19:06.28 | satdav | OK |
| 19:06.36 | satdav | I mean all of the apt-get stuff |
| 19:06.40 | satdav | like znx and that |
| 19:06.50 | stew | satdav: what is znx? |
| 19:06.53 | satdav | znc and that |
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| 19:06.56 | satdav | I mean znc |
| 19:07.06 | dyek | Hi! Can driver packages installation modify installed initrd file? I built linux kernel (with initrd) from the source package, but the resulting kernel booted with different video driver support. I don't know the details on what are the differences yet, but I suspect that I somehow ended up with different video drivers set in the initrd I built. I wonder if more capable video driver was added to initrd (later) by the Nouveau driver package. |
| 19:07.09 | stew | satdav: "aptitude install znc"? |
| 19:07.20 | satdav | OK |
| 19:07.25 | satdav | I am using lenny |
| 19:10.24 | thewanderer1 | dyek: yes, driver packages can hook into initramfs |
| 19:10.43 | danols | thewanderer1: no cron logs |
| 19:11.02 | danols | thewanderer1: just DHCP it's not running I guess - how do I add it to start services ? |
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| 19:11.43 | thewanderer1 | danols: oh, check /var/log/syslog actually - I thought it would log to daemon.log which it does not |
| 19:12.09 | stew | danols: does "pgrep cron" return anything? |
| 19:13.25 | danols | seems to be running 6 06:30:01 klinsight /USR/SBIN/CRON[31689]: (root) CMD (tar -cf /srv/www/django/ryatt/src/ryatt/ryatt.sqlite3.db-`date +) |
| 19:13.28 | danols | stew: brb |
| 19:13.48 | dyek | thewanderer1: Thanks for the response. OK. That means that I need to force reinstall or maybe reconfigure individual relevant driver packages to get back the same behavior if I later custom-build a kernel from the source package (without any custom changes yet)? |
| 19:14.08 | danols | stew: yes |
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| 19:14.48 | thewanderer1 | dyek: it means that the given module probably autoloads and you could prevent it from loading by removing its hooks from initramfs config, or blacklist it altogether, or just pass kernel parameters to select a video driver |
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| 19:15.45 | danols | */5 * * * * does this mean i has to wait till a new hour starts to kick it or it should already be running on 5 min intervals from i.e. 00 05 10min of everyhour ? |
| 19:16.07 | karlpinc | danols: Every 5 minutes. |
| 19:16.25 | danols | i figuried it out /bin/tar -cf /srv/www/django/ryatt/src/ryatt/ryatt.sqlite3.db-`date + is what is in the log |
| 19:16.35 | danols | look like it's not complete or something yes ? |
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| 19:17.03 | dyek | thewanderer1: Thanks! |
| 19:17.16 | danols | looks like it's missing this +%F-%Hh%Mm`.tar /srv/www/django/ryatt/src/ryatt/ryatt.sqlite3.db part |
| 19:17.20 | danols | does it not like variables ? |
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| 19:17.55 | thewanderer1 | you should paste the crontab and the log entry |
| 19:18.06 | thewanderer1 | (use paste.debian.net) |
| 19:18.34 | danols | thewanderer1: ok brb |
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| 19:20.17 | danols | http://dpaste.com/294976/ |
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| 19:21.05 | CyberDomovoy | hi there |
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| 19:22.15 | CyberDomovoy | i'm about to setup a raid5+lvm on 4 1To disks, this will be for data storage, any advice on what filesystem i should use? |
| 19:22.36 | danols | thewanderer1: any idea http://dpaste.com/294976/ ? |
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| 19:23.05 | SpaceAviator | How well is the Macbook Pro 6,2 supported? (2010 Model) |
| 19:24.23 | mac- | how can I know which flags has been enabled during compilation of software from installed package ? |
| 19:24.49 | danols | yep http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352461 |
| 19:24.55 | danols | can't use dynamic variables in cron tab |
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| 19:26.20 | thewanderer1 | er what? |
| 19:26.24 | abrotman | !tell mac- about debian/rules |
| 19:26.34 | dvs | no surprise |
| 19:26.58 | danols | i'm using `date foo` and that's what is failing |
| 19:27.01 | dvs | hence why full paths to programs need to be specified |
| 19:27.02 | thewanderer1 | I had no idea you couldn't use dynamic variables... mine work well :P |
| 19:27.03 | danols | see my paste |
| 19:27.22 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it would work but with /bin/date instead of just date |
| 19:27.24 | dvs | danols: /bin/date ? |
| 19:27.27 | thewanderer1 | (or wherever date is...) |
| 19:27.28 | SpaceAviator | abrotman that failed.. |
| 19:27.29 | danols | OHHH |
| 19:27.34 | danols | one moment |
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| 19:27.51 | abrotman | SpaceAviator: no, it didn't |
| 19:28.08 | SpaceAviator | Nothing happened |
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| 19:30.24 | danols | no it doesn't work |
| 19:30.28 | mac- | abrotman: ok, but where is this make file used to build package ? |
| 19:30.28 | danols | god damn it |
| 19:30.44 | abrotman | mac-: read what the bot told you ... |
| 19:30.55 | abrotman | SpaceAviator: i got notice, so did mac- .. worked just the way it's supposed to |
| 19:31.25 | mac- | bot told me that somwhere is makefile |
| 19:31.28 | mac- | but where ? |
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| 19:31.44 | abrotman | what file did it say to edit to change the compilation options ? |
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| 19:32.09 | mac- | debian/rules |
| 19:32.21 | danols | how can I make tar output to console ? |
| 19:32.52 | mac- | but where it is ? |
| 19:33.03 | mac- | it is on my machoine after deb pckg installation ? |
| 19:33.18 | thewanderer1 | mac-: in the package source directory, which you can obtain by calling `apt-get source packagename` |
| 19:33.22 | abrotman | !tell mac- about source |
| 19:33.47 | macrobat | danols: --to-stdout (extract files to standard output) |
| 19:34.04 | thewanderer1 | is there any way I can see which PAM modules get activated when passwd runs? |
| 19:34.20 | thewanderer1 | I set it to use pam_krb5 but it still uses pam_unix |
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| 19:35.24 | danols | how can I read a file to stdout ? |
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| 19:36.39 | danols | http://superuser.com/questions/38278/howto-set-variable-output-in-crontab my sollution |
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| 19:37.19 | thewanderer1 | do I need libpam-ldap in order to change passwords in passwd when I have users in LDAP and passwords in krb5? |
| 19:38.21 | Selveste1_ | thewanderer1: way do you have you users in LDAP but not there passwords with them.? |
| 19:38.50 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: You need to restart whatever daemon is authenticating after you change pam. |
| 19:38.53 | thewanderer1 | Selveste1_: because I don't want to send passwords over network and I value my security... |
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| 19:39.04 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: `passwd` is authenticating... |
| 19:39.39 | thewanderer1 | Current Kerberos password: |
| 19:39.40 | thewanderer1 | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 19:39.41 | Selveste1_ | thewanderer1: then run LDAPs.? But yes, i think you need libpam-ldap, and you need to restart all services that handles krb5 and ldap |
| 19:40.02 | thewanderer1 | this is kind of strange as I'm not authenticating by LDAP at all |
| 19:40.20 | thewanderer1 | on the server side I see that passwd was using pam_unix |
| 19:40.32 | thewanderer1 | but passwd asked me about Kerberos password... O.o |
| 19:41.42 | CyberDomovoy | so, i have 4 sata disks of 1To each, for the moment my system is on a ide drive, but i'll install a new one on those sata drives. What i think: raid10 of about 20 Go in ext4 (partition 1 on each disk) for system, raid10 of about 40Go in ext4 (partition 2 on each disk) for /home, and raid5 of what is left, for data storage. Is that good? What filesystem should i choose for data storage? |
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| 19:42.58 | Selveste1_ | I'm not an expert, but as I understand then kerberos is a auth service, and its validating users against pam.d, and pam.d uses ldap or unix-passwd-file.. And if you user-information is in LDAP then I will guess that you need libpam-ldap also |
| 19:43.02 | Selveste1_ | *th |
| 19:43.12 | Selveste1_ | *thewanderer1 |
| 19:43.24 | thewanderer1 | well, PAM validates users against Kerberos which is the auth service... |
| 19:43.43 | thewanderer1 | I'll try adding pam_ldap to account, but not password nor session |
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| 19:44.08 | karlpinc | CyberDomovoy: That depends on what sort of data. (I heard here that ext4 is still troublesome. YMMV.) |
| 19:44.20 | Selveste1_ | thewanderer1: yes, sounds like a plan |
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| 19:45.51 | ElDiabolo | Are there any debian packages that create ldap databases? |
| 19:46.01 | catsup | apt-cache search ldap |
| 19:46.03 | CyberDomovoy | karlpinc> source code (git), movies, music, documents... anything that is not system and that is not in /home |
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| 19:46.41 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: LDAP is not a database, and packages usually let you configure them to fit in *your* hierarchy - it also means you get to configure everything yourself ^.- |
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| 19:47.57 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 19:48.07 | abrotman | LDAP can be stored in a database |
| 19:48.19 | thewanderer1 | yes, but itself it's a directory... |
| 19:48.21 | ttiicc | when will sqeeze be the stable version? |
| 19:48.26 | abrotman | ttiicc: /topic |
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| 19:48.47 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: when you install slapd .. it will ask you about setting up the LDAP storage |
| 19:49.08 | thewanderer1 | yes, it won't create any hierarchy on its own though |
| 19:49.15 | ttiicc | and do we got some thing called "long support version" or something in debian ? |
| 19:49.28 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, I am trying to create a backage that configures slapd as an evoulution address backend. Are you saying this is futile? |
| 19:49.45 | ElDiabolo | s/backage/package/ |
| 19:49.51 | thewanderer1 | ttiicc: no, every release is supported as long as it's stable + some time after (last was a year or more after it became oldstable I think) |
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| 19:50.35 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: you should probably ship that as user-runnable scripts in the package with adjustable parameters |
| 19:50.43 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, I am searching for an example to study. |
| 19:50.45 | thewanderer1 | (migration-tools does just that) |
| 19:50.53 | ttiicc | whhere could I check when the support for lenny will be inactivated |
| 19:51.11 | botmind | Hi. I'm using Debian Lenny. How do I make a certain domain to be pointed to another IP locally if I have been given the ip of the new DNS? |
| 19:52.03 | thewanderer1 | ttiicc: it will be announced in advance - see http://debian.org news archives and deduce from that how much time it took between the announcement and actual shutdown of support |
| 19:52.19 | CyberDomovoy | ho, i forgot, where do i put my swap on those raid? :) i guess swap will be raid0, no use for anything else |
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| 19:52.42 | botmind | I've tried to add a line into /etc/hosts like "dns-ip domain.com" and then /etc/init.d/network-manager restart.. and after this when typing this domain in the browser, I'm getting some server default configuration message... |
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| 19:52.52 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, aaah, thx. |
| 19:54.08 | abrotman | botmind: you wouldn't have to restart networking .. and it's normally something like "x.x.x.x foo foo.bar.com" |
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| 19:54.13 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: if your raid0 crashes, so does all your memory so expect anything, including data loss and random transforming of Linux into NT kernel... |
| 19:54.24 | abrotman | memory? |
| 19:54.31 | thewanderer1 | swap |
| 19:54.40 | thewanderer1 | but you never know what's there |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | swap doesn't need to be explicitly RAIDed .. just create more than one swap partition, the OS will take care of the rest |
| 19:55.24 | thewanderer1 | well yes, unless you want swap on RAID1 |
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| 19:57.16 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman> right, didn't thought of that... how would hibernation react with multiple swap? any issues? |
| 19:58.34 | abrotman | try it and see? |
| 19:59.31 | amphi | CyberDomovoy: there's a kernel arg to tell it what partition to restore from |
| 19:59.37 | botmind | abrotman: but it doesn't work as it should.. seems like I need to install bind9 for this? |
| 19:59.51 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 20:00.39 | botmind | abrotman: well when I add this line to /etc/hosts it loads this domain as if you had typed this ip |
| 20:01.26 | botmind | but this is not what I need.. I'd rather need domain-ip/~user to bind somehow to this domain locally |
| 20:01.44 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman> on the other hand, a raid0 swap will make it faster than 4 swap partitions, won't it? |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | CyberDomovoy: the OS makes it RAID0 all on its own |
| 20:02.09 | CyberDomovoy | ok |
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| 20:08.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:08.34 | dpkg | <aranjedeath> I would use unstable, but as I've heard debian unstable is actually unstable |
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| 20:09.23 | streuner | hehe |
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| 20:16.53 | CyberDomovoy | if i have only 4 partitions, does number 4 have to be an extended (ie sdb5), or can it be a primary (ie sdb4)? In other words, is partition 4 reserved for extended, or can i make it a primary? |
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| 20:21.10 | frostschutz | CyberDomovoy: you can make it primary but if you still have unpartitioned space then you can't make any more partitions to claim it... |
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| 20:23.16 | botmind | abrotman: ok I've done this by adding 2 lines into /etc/resolv.conf : search mydomain.com\n nameserver ip and nothing restarted |
| 20:23.52 | GeneralStupid | Hi can anyone tell me how to make my sound system louder ? its a debian squeeze notebook with HDA -Intel sound |
| 20:25.02 | JPT | mhh... if its similar to the desktop version of intel hda, you should have controls for each output and a global (was it called pcm?) control. |
| 20:25.49 | JPT | moving the pcm control up to 100% should blast your ears. |
| 20:25.51 | GeneralStupid | JPT: i have they are on 100% but is there a way to tell alsa to put it to 110% oder +10dB ? |
| 20:26.17 | JPT | mhh.. i guess that's not possible... |
| 20:26.30 | GeneralStupid | Hm damnit :-D |
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| 20:26.41 | JPT | the only thing you can put +10db or something on is the mic input |
| 20:26.58 | JPT | just make alsamixer give you all controls and play with them |
| 20:27.13 | stew | alsa does not go to 11 |
| 20:27.34 | stew | (not nigel tufnel approved) |
| 20:27.44 | JPT | also, as you have a laptop, try the fn-key things to make it louder... just a very easy guess but it might help |
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| 20:32.05 | GeneralStupid | JPT: i have tried everything is to 10 ;) |
| 20:32.16 | JPT | mhh |
| 20:32.22 | GeneralStupid | stew: these one only goes to ten, but i need this little push over the cliff |
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| 20:38.14 | thewanderer1 | what does passwd:chauthtok mean in PAM? |
| 20:38.24 | thewanderer1 | (called by program `passwd`) |
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| 20:40.05 | satdav | how do setup sudo on debrain |
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| 20:40.38 | abrotman | install it? |
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| 20:41.13 | JPT | install sudo + use visudo to edit the most important settings |
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| 20:43.22 | GeneralStupid | for installing and using sudo on debian its enough to enter the root all all all line in visudo and adding your user to sudoers |
| 20:44.23 | satdav | OK |
| 20:48.09 | satdav | oh that machime does not know what vis sudo or shell is |
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| 20:48.18 | satdav | it does not have any packages installed |
| 20:48.32 | stew | satdav: visudo is in the sudo package |
| 20:48.56 | satdav | I know but my machime does not have any of the packages installed it looks like |
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| 20:49.36 | stew | aptitude install sudo? |
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| 20:51.56 | catsup | thewanderer1: change auth token |
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| 20:52.18 | BrixSat | what permissions should have /var/www so that www-data user and proftpd user can write and read and execute? |
| 20:52.22 | thewanderer1 | catsup: thanks... I'm now trying to debug a peculiar PAM problem where passwd wants a user to be present in /etc/passwd |
| 20:52.25 | catsup | thewanderer1: i mean, change authentication token |
| 20:53.00 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#AccessControlListsinLinux |
| 20:53.08 | BrixSat | :) |
| 20:53.14 | catsup | it doesn't require that by default |
| 20:53.34 | satdav | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.38 | satdav | what does that mean |
| 20:53.52 | catsup | you probably want to add nullok to the password line |
| 20:54.03 | thewanderer1 | catsup: hm... where exactly? |
| 20:54.04 | catsup | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 20:54.09 | thewanderer1 | why is that? |
| 20:54.12 | catsup | in /etc/pam.d/passwd |
| 20:54.14 | BrixSat | thewanderer1: is that the only way? |
| 20:54.26 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: no, but it is the most precise way to do that |
| 20:54.44 | catsup | thewanderer1: please read up on pam basics... actually, your /etc/pam.d/passwd should contain only one non-comment line: @include common-password |
| 20:54.45 | BrixSat | dont booth proceses run under root? |
| 20:54.51 | BrixSat | no :p |
| 20:54.52 | thewanderer1 | catsup: it does |
| 20:54.55 | catsup | ok |
| 20:54.59 | BrixSat | i wil do it |
| 20:55.01 | satdav | how many packages are their |
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| 20:55.08 | Amnesia | hi, question here |
| 20:55.13 | Amnesia | I am running 32 bits firefox |
| 20:55.17 | catsup | and /etc/pam.d/common-password should contain the line i pasted above, with nullok on it |
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| 20:55.19 | Amnesia | and want to use flas |
| 20:55.24 | Amnesia | flash& |
| 20:55.29 | thewanderer1 | catsup: I'll see... |
| 20:55.31 | Amnesia | flashplug-nonfree has been installed.. |
| 20:56.12 | thewanderer1 | catsup: I configured PAM via pam-auth-update and passwd doesn't work as expected with krb5 password (PAM) and LDAP NSS, although `getent passwd` returns the user (for the background info) |
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| 20:56.58 | catsup | oh i see |
| 20:57.29 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu had a silmilar bug but the submitter solved it, and I can't |
| 20:57.34 | satdav | http://pastebin.com/zn0kHusj |
| 20:57.42 | satdav | their is one of my links to stuff I am getting |
| 20:57.44 | catsup | shouldnt' you be using kpasswd then? |
| 20:57.57 | thewanderer1 | I'd like passwd to communicate with Kerberos |
| 20:58.12 | thewanderer1 | indeed, `passwd` displays: Current Kerberos password: |
| 20:58.15 | catsup | well passwd doesn't work like that. it edits the files in /etc/. |
| 20:58.18 | thewanderer1 | so it seems to understand Kerberos... |
| 20:58.26 | catsup | oh ok, kerberos must have replaced the passwd binary with its own |
| 20:58.42 | catsup | however maybe you should be looking at /etc/pam.d/kpasswd anyway |
| 20:58.47 | thewanderer1 | actually, not really... |
| 20:59.01 | thewanderer1 | passwd is using PAM and PAM modules offer a way to change passwords |
| 20:59.24 | thewanderer1 | but passwd at some point *checks* if a user exists, and for some reason, it uses pam_unix for this |
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| 20:59.25 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 20:59.40 | Amnesia | firefox is 32 bits and flash 64 bits I guess |
| 20:59.48 | thewanderer1 | Amnesia: then install 64-bit firefox |
| 21:00.03 | thewanderer1 | I can't figure out at which point passwd uses pam_unix, though... |
| 21:00.06 | Erbureth | Amnesia: use iceweasel, it's renamed firefox |
| 21:00.14 | Amnesia | I know |
| 21:00.36 | Amnesia | but I prefer firefox |
| 21:00.41 | Amnesia | iceweasel runs crappy over here |
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| 21:00.50 | Amnesia | thewanderer1: no such thing on linux afaik |
| 21:01.21 | AimHere | You mean you manually installed 32-bit firefox on a 64-bit system? |
| 21:01.35 | thewanderer1 | well, have you tried chromium-browser? it's a good browser, too... |
| 21:01.43 | AimHere | Then installed 64-bit flash with that? |
| 21:02.14 | Amnesia | yep |
| 21:02.21 | Amnesia | installed flash from the repositories |
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| 21:02.37 | Erbureth | then use flash from Adobe's site |
| 21:02.38 | AimHere | Well you should probably have just manually installed the flash that matches your firefox too |
| 21:02.42 | BrixSat | can a user be in 2 groups? |
| 21:02.43 | Amnesia | gueah ok |
| 21:02.46 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: sure |
| 21:02.51 | Amnesia | thx |
| 21:02.55 | AimHere | Flash is an easy install, it's just dumping a .so file into the right plugins directory |
| 21:02.56 | BrixSat | thewanderer1: how do i do it? |
| 21:03.00 | Erbureth | BrixSat: sure, tough both groups can't be default |
| 21:03.07 | Erbureth | adduser user group2 |
| 21:04.52 | Amnesia | AimHere: yep |
| 21:05.07 | Amnesia | got to get the url now-.-:p |
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| 21:12.27 | thewanderer1 | omg, it works when I commented out @include common-password |
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| 21:12.35 | thewanderer1 | I wrote my own rules and now it's working |
| 21:12.58 | thewanderer1 | this is so wrong... |
| 21:13.45 | raz | meh, is anyone familar with those lsi controllers and that atrocious megaraid utility.. |
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| 21:15.00 | abrotman | I heard that the megaraid utility is atrocious .. does that count? |
| 21:15.23 | stew | yes |
| 21:15.29 | raz | well, take the vomit on my keyboard as a strong confirmation |
| 21:15.50 | raz | in addition to being unusable it seems to be stealing a full disk from my array |
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| 21:16.07 | raz | i suspect it perhaps creates an implicit hot-spare, but it doesn't show that fact anywhere |
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| 21:16.56 | raz | RAID Level: Primary-5, Secondary-0, RAID Level Qualifier-3 |
| 21:16.56 | raz | Size:24793600MB |
| 21:16.57 | raz | Number Of Drives:14 |
| 21:17.10 | raz | stupid thing |
| 21:17.12 | thewanderer1 | lol, it was just me typing the wrong current password and the system not being able to display an informative error message :D |
| 21:17.46 | gnarface | when i try to move 32,000+ emails from my SPAM folder to my Trash folder using icedove, how long should i expect that to take, and why does icedove appear to freeze up completely after a couple minutes? |
| 21:18.21 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: are you doing that locally on disk, or using IMAP? |
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| 21:18.57 | Arrowmaster | either way will take a long time |
| 21:19.14 | thewanderer1 | on disk it can freeze because of I/O load |
| 21:19.29 | sudoman | I upgraded my system from lenny so squeeze. is there a way to automatically remove old configuration settings that are no longer needed? I've manually removed my xorg.conf, commented out my /etc/network/interfaces list and purged and reinstalled the wacom driver which was giving tons of errors. is there a way to do this automatically? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't remove xorg.conf, for example. |
| 21:19.41 | gnarface | thewanderer1: imap, on Maildirs, on a dual P2-450 server with 512MB ram :( |
| 21:20.14 | raz | gnarface: just deleting instead of moving would be way quicker |
| 21:20.15 | BrixSat | thanks :D it worked thewanderer1 and i did not needed the acl |
| 21:20.27 | BrixSat | i just added user2 to group user1 :D |
| 21:20.30 | thewanderer1 | :P |
| 21:20.34 | thewanderer1 | welcome back to the 80's :D |
| 21:20.36 | CyberDomovoy | can someone give me a link for configuring a raid10+lvm for booting with grub? there seem to be some issues, but i can't find anything usefull on google |
| 21:20.49 | Amnesia | where should the libflashplayer.so go? |
| 21:20.52 | raz | i often do batch operations directly on the imap server because MUA's are notoriously retarded at dealing with any bulk operations that involve more than 2 messages |
| 21:20.56 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: then the server is the bottleneck (but nice hardware otherwise :P ) and Icedove just has a poor network I/O implementation |
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| 21:21.12 | Amnesia | already tried /usr/lib32/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 21:21.20 | gnarface | thanks guys |
| 21:21.23 | Amnesia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.28 | thewanderer1 | well actually running mutt and pointing it at the maildir directly has been my preference :D |
| 21:21.31 | Amnesia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.48 | zedboy | Amnesia: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 21:22.19 | thewanderer1 | one wonders when we'll finally get a MySQL storage backend for mail servers |
| 21:22.33 | Amnesia | ah I see |
| 21:23.57 | Amnesia | zedboy: thx:D |
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| 21:25.28 | Arrowmaster | Amnesia: why arent you just using the flashplugin-nonfree package to install it? |
| 21:25.30 | zedboy | thewanderer1: I think all the really high-performance mail daemons are commercial :-) |
| 21:25.41 | zedboy | thewanderer1: tho I wouldn't necessarily pick MySQL. |
| 21:25.43 | Amnesia | X does freeze when I pick full screen-.- |
| 21:25.50 | Amnesia | Arrowmaster: cause I'm running 32 bit firefox |
| 21:26.16 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have several NFS clients and 1 NFS server - I want to use Kerberos auth. thing is, all servers share a common root filesystem... |
| 21:26.52 | thewanderer1 | how to manage the keytabs in this situation? |
| 21:27.39 | thewanderer1 | (also, how would booting from NFS4 look) |
| 21:27.45 | Amnesia | flash seriously sucks donkeyballs |
| 21:28.16 | Arrowmaster | i think you can either put it in your ~/.mozilla somewhere or should be able to put it in /usr/local where you installed firefox |
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| 21:30.20 | Amnesia | the freeze on full screen is gay though |
| 21:31.07 | stew | Amnesia: please don't use 'gay' as a derrogatory adjective in here, its offensive to some |
| 21:31.44 | thewanderer1 | well I've never ever seen Flash work right on full screen with Linux :P |
| 21:31.55 | dvs | is amazed how a word can change from happy to derrogatory. |
| 21:32.01 | streuner | thewanderer1: i didnt too :-P |
| 21:32.22 | gnarface | hey so if icedove stops redrawing and looks/behaves completely locked up, i should just be patient and trust that it didn't time out or something weird and is actually just waiting for a reponse from the server to finish deleting all this trash? |
| 21:32.26 | thewanderer1 | Amnesia: have you tried minitube? it's a native client that lets you watch YouTube movies without having actual Flash |
| 21:32.27 | stew | dvs: please re-read what he is saying and tell me that you really think he is happy about how flash is working |
| 21:32.47 | Erbureth | thewanderer1: mine works... at least when i am not using dualhead |
| 21:32.55 | dvs | stew: Yeah, but I'm talking in general over time |
| 21:33.05 | stew | gotcha |
| 21:33.19 | thewanderer1 | Erbureth: with proprietary Adobe Flash? and your name is Linus? :P |
| 21:33.28 | streuner | well, this flash crap is an Adobe thingie, they arent manage to get that to work in Linux |
| 21:34.05 | Erbureth | thewanderer1: using flash from repository & os ati drivers |
| 21:34.10 | Erbureth | (R600) |
| 21:34.40 | thewanderer1 | hm, ATI. never used that after Rage 3D II... that would quite explain it |
| 21:34.45 | AimHere | If you're brave, or you listened to the Free Software Song one too many times, you can always attempt to run gnash |
| 21:34.57 | streuner | forget that |
| 21:35.09 | thewanderer1 | AimHere: or minitube given that you assume "flash == youtube" |
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| 21:35.35 | AimHere | I didn't assume no such thing. |
| 21:35.40 | stew | html5 works great on youtube (for those youtube videos they have made available in html5) |
| 21:35.46 | AimHere | There is a youtube-dl script for youtube as well |
| 21:35.55 | streuner | yes |
| 21:36.03 | streuner | youtube-dl that is |
| 21:36.06 | streuner | or html5 |
| 21:36.18 | thewanderer1 | yes, HTML5 under chromium still works slower than Flash on 1.2GHz Core Duo and GMA945 |
| 21:36.19 | ElDiabolo | Erbureth, are you on amd64 or on i386 ? |
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| 21:36.27 | Erbureth | amd64 |
| 21:37.43 | AimHere | Slower and not broken beats faster and broken |
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| 21:38.13 | keith4 | anyone know if this latest php floating poing bug affects php5 in lenny? |
| 21:38.33 | stew | keith4: is it a security bug? (does it have a CVE id?) |
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| 21:38.57 | gnarface | my favorite thing about gnash is that it works so badly most flash ads never load |
| 21:38.58 | AimHere | I imagine there's a DoS risk |
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| 21:39.24 | Erbureth | DoS from porn sites? :D |
| 21:39.28 | AimHere | In fact, I'm going to memorise that number and use it for every random number I type into the web from now on |
| 21:39.28 | kitallis | uhm, any doc that explains the CDn discs? and contained packages etc? |
| 21:40.01 | keith4 | stew: dunno. just saw it on pcworld: http://bit.ly/f5MBDR |
| 21:40.20 | CyberDomovoy | if i want to transfer my current system from an ide disk, to a raid10+lvm on my 4 sata disks, i should 1) create raid10+lvm, 2) copy / to raid10+lvm, 3) install grub on raid10+lvm (some issues here it seems), 4) reboot on raid10+lvm. Would that work? |
| 21:41.43 | stew | keith4: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-4645 |
| 21:42.14 | keith4 | stew: beauty. thanks |
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| 21:42.25 | stew | keith4: see the note at the bottom |
| 21:42.43 | keith4 | stew: ah. how mysterious! |
| 21:46.31 | ElDiabolo | CyberDomovoy, Does grub boot from raid10 + lvm? |
| 21:46.46 | ElDiabolo | Seems questionable. |
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| 21:49.26 | gnarface | i really have to wonder whether whoever commissioned these 23,000 spams realized they were all going to one guy |
| 21:49.40 | CyberDomovoy | ElDiabolo> i'll know that as soon as i tried, but i saw some things that indicates it does, like http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6518/1/ |
| 21:49.56 | thewanderer1 | how to setup NFS with per-user authentication? |
| 21:50.03 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 21:50.09 | Amnesia | anyone familiar with flash not saving settings? |
| 21:50.22 | pipeline | thewanderer1: nfsv4 supposedly supports that, but it's a PITA. NFSv3 just doesn't do that. |
| 21:50.49 | thewanderer1 | I know NFSv3 doesn't do that - that's why I'm trying to deploy NFSv4 now |
| 21:51.05 | thewanderer1 | but there are no guides it seems... |
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| 21:51.18 | gribouille | hi |
| 21:51.36 | gribouille | I've downloaded a package with 'apt-get --download-only source'. what is the command to build the package ? |
| 21:51.46 | Amnesia | :/? |
| 21:51.53 | Amnesia | I need to disable hardware acceleration |
| 21:51.59 | thewanderer1 | gribouille: debian/rules binary |
| 21:52.21 | gribouille | thewanderer1, I need a command that applies the patch first |
| 21:52.54 | thewanderer1 | gribouille: what patch? |
| 21:53.07 | thewanderer1 | debian/rules binary will apply patches |
| 21:53.10 | gribouille | thewanderer1, the patch that comes with tha package |
| 21:53.57 | gribouille | thewanderer1, the package contains three files : less_436-1.diff.gz less_436-1.dsc less_436.orig.tar.gz |
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| 21:54.27 | thewanderer1 | right... so read the makefile (debian/rules is a makefile) and see which command applies the patches |
| 21:55.02 | Amnesia | :/? |
| 21:56.17 | Amnesia | the settings don't save ffs |
| 21:56.35 | gnarface | Amnesia: flash has hardware acceleration?? |
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| 21:57.07 | Amnesia | gnarface: apparantly they have since newer versions |
| 21:57.14 | Amnesia | but it freezes X in fullscreen atm |
| 21:57.23 | gnarface | i didn't think that was a feature in the linux version |
| 21:57.29 | Amnesia | but disabling it seems impossible since it does not save the settings |
| 21:57.35 | Amnesia | hm dunno |
| 21:58.13 | Amnesia | http://www.alaskavrtours.com/flash-bug.php |
| 21:58.17 | Amnesia | that simply does not work:S |
| 21:59.16 | catsup | fuck flash |
| 22:00.11 | Flash__ | :( |
| 22:00.47 | catsup | awww |
| 22:00.51 | catsup | lol |
| 22:00.55 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:02.46 | Amnesia | catsup: +1 |
| 22:03.04 | squidly | how can I get dpkg to not ask about the config files that are chagned? |
| 22:03.06 | Amnesia | and ofc now it impossible to find a order version |
| 22:03.17 | squidly | just ignore the ones that have been changed |
| 22:03.30 | streuner | nah |
| 22:03.50 | streuner | thats not possible, IMRC |
| 22:03.58 | streuner | IIRC* |
| 22:04.32 | catsup | it's possible |
| 22:04.41 | streuner | hm |
| 22:04.45 | catsup | you can set the front-end to noninteractive |
| 22:04.45 | catsup | or |
| 22:04.59 | gnarface | there is a question threshold isn't there? |
| 22:04.59 | catsup | you can set the whatsitcalled level |
| 22:05.09 | gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure dpkg or something like that? |
| 22:05.12 | catsup | yeah question threshold |
| 22:05.21 | catsup | i don't recall |
| 22:05.33 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys threshold |
| 22:05.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'threshold' by key returned no results. |
| 22:05.37 | squidly | gnarface: this is an automated update and it broke a bunch of systems last night :( |
| 22:05.44 | streuner | dpkg, listvals threshold |
| 22:05.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'threshold' by value (3): nickometer-revhippie ;; progeny+debian ;; ms boolean algebra. |
| 22:06.31 | catsup | for an automated update, set the interface to noninteractive, since it is |
| 22:07.03 | catsup | oh DEBIAN_FRONTEND and DEBIAN_CRITICAL |
| 22:07.34 | peterrooney | debconf priority: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 22:07.36 | gnarface | fears automated updates |
| 22:07.36 | catsup | oh wait no |
| 22:07.49 | gnarface | yea that's the one i was thinking of peterrooney |
| 22:08.07 | peterrooney | yay! my first correct answer of the year |
| 22:08.50 | catsup | lol, congrats |
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| 22:15.37 | neoice | I'm about to create a ~3TB RAID5 using mdadm. is there any compelling reason to use ext4 over ext3? I doubt I'll have the opportunity to change the file system in the near future. |
| 22:17.39 | gnarface | neoice: i'd use xfs |
| 22:18.09 | neoice | gnarface: I'm actually reading about it now. apparently it handles large files (like media) well |
| 22:18.26 | thewanderer1 | ext4 is faster than ext3, period |
| 22:18.28 | neoice | I'm also doing rsync backups to this file tank too |
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| 22:19.31 | gnarface | neoice: yea its pretty fast compared to other filesystems for large files, and the max volume size and max file size blow most the other filesystems right out of the water |
| 22:19.58 | neoice | I still wish I could use ZFS :( |
| 22:20.21 | thewanderer1 | you can use ZFS in FreeBSD (FreeNAS comes to mind) on a network |
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| 22:21.12 | thewanderer1 | neoice: technically you *can* use zfs-fuse, but its performance is currently the worst |
| 22:21.28 | neoice | thewanderer1: I know, but the ZFS version is very far behind. there's a ZFS-for-Linux project but without the POSIX layer, I have no use for it |
| 22:21.54 | thewanderer1 | actually zfs-fuse is pretty current, but I stopped using it because of lack of POSIX ACL |
| 22:21.55 | neoice | I'd kill for some ZFS-22 with dedup |
| 22:22.07 | thewanderer1 | well, I think zfs-fuse does that |
| 22:22.30 | thewanderer1 | but I got 40% CPU usage on a home server pretty often, so... |
| 22:22.32 | neoice | if I recall, the performance is complete garbage |
| 22:22.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 22:22.52 | thewanderer1 | for low-I/O environments though it's useful |
| 22:23.35 | neoice | I'd like to be able to move data around at at least 802.11g speeds |
| 22:23.47 | neoice | preferably 100Mbit ethernet |
| 22:24.34 | thewanderer1 | heh... 802.11g with encryption leaves you with ~3MB/s transfers with home-grade equipment, so this is no challenge :) |
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| 22:26.00 | N2Deep_ | has anyone here setup squeeze beta 2 with a static IPv4 address? I'm having trouble |
| 22:26.16 | thewanderer1 | N2Deep_: in the installer? |
| 22:26.21 | thewanderer1 | works for me... |
| 22:26.39 | N2Deep_ | no, after the OS is installed. |
| 22:27.02 | thewanderer1 | so you edit /etc/network/interfaces and that's it |
| 22:27.10 | N2Deep_ | I can't even get it back to dhcp now. |
| 22:27.44 | thewanderer1 | why? |
| 22:27.53 | N2Deep_ | I've done it a thousand times in 5.0. As far as I know, the method for setting a static address is the same in squeeze. |
| 22:28.01 | thewanderer1 | yes, it is |
| 22:28.11 | daemonkeeper | What specific problem do you have? |
| 22:29.11 | N2Deep_ | well I put in the correct lines for a static address, restart networking, run an ifconfig and now it's not listing my address. |
| 22:29.19 | N2Deep_ | it's blank |
| 22:29.32 | daemonkeeper | You mean ifup |
| 22:29.41 | N2Deep_ | upon the first bootup, I got a dhcp address fine. |
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| 22:30.03 | daemonkeeper | Use ifdown/ifup. Not ifconfig. ifconfig is for direct (low level) configuration. |
| 22:30.15 | N2Deep_ | well I restarted the whole machine for kicks, just to see what happened. |
| 22:30.17 | daemonkeeper | Well, at least lower than ifup/ifdown |
| 22:30.32 | N2Deep_ | daemonkeeper: i ran ifconfig -a |
| 22:30.40 | N2Deep_ | I did not make changes with ifconfig |
| 22:30.46 | daemonkeeper | you mean ifup -a if anything. |
| 22:30.59 | daemonkeeper | ifconfig -a shows you all available devices, no more. |
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| 22:31.18 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: it also shows addresses... |
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| 22:31.36 | N2Deep_ | ifup -a returns nothing |
| 22:31.44 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: already configured, it won't changes them as indicated by interfaces(5) |
| 22:32.07 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: yes, that's what he meant - he ran that to inspect if configuration has worked |
| 22:32.14 | thewanderer1 | N2Deep_: paste your config somewhere |
| 22:32.37 | N2Deep_ | what I'm trying to say is that the same way I set a static address on a Lenny machine, is not working on a Squeeze machine. |
| 22:32.52 | N2Deep_ | is this a bug in the networking stack for squeeze? |
| 22:33.07 | thewanderer1 | there are no known bugs, it's probably a bug in your config |
| 22:33.26 | thewanderer1 | show us the config... |
| 22:33.37 | N2Deep_ | a clean, fresh squeeze install is what I'm referring to. |
| 22:33.43 | sudoman | N2Deep_: is NetworkManager running? i had difficulty getting wlan0 to work manually with it going. try killing it. |
| 22:33.43 | N2Deep_ | ok |
| 22:34.24 | thewanderer1 | sudoman: by default, NetworkManager only manages interfaces that are not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:34.40 | thewanderer1 | (or at least that are not configured there_ |
| 22:34.53 | sudoman | oh ok |
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| 22:35.00 | N2Deep_ | allright guys, this is going to have to wait. |
| 22:35.17 | N2Deep_ | evidently my 3:30 meeting, is now 2:30 and I'm just now being told. |
| 22:35.32 | N2Deep_ | this is a text only install FYI |
| 22:36.10 | N2Deep_ | I will be back in about an hour or so. |
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| 22:37.45 | gnarface | every time i tried to use NetworkManager i found it harder to figure out than the /etc/network/interfaces text file |
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| 22:38.59 | thewanderer1 | I once fell back to wpa_supplicant itself on my laptop :P |
| 22:39.11 | thewanderer1 | wpa_cli is all you need... |
| 22:40.11 | thewanderer1 | what would be the preferred way to get a remote desktop from a terminal server, including sound? |
| 22:40.13 | CyberDomovoy | i have two raid10 and one raid5, for lvm, is there any use for one VG by raid, or do i simply create one VG, and in it one LV by raid? |
| 22:41.11 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: it depends on what you want to achieve |
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| 22:41.52 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: if you ever want to migrate stuff between RAIDs then one VG per RAID is desirable, otherwise just one big VG consisting of PV=RAID parts is enough |
| 22:42.37 | thewanderer1 | of course one VG per RAID means less flexibility in space - you can't have LV spanning 2 VG's |
| 22:43.04 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> raid10 are respectively for / and /home, raid10 is for data storage, so i guess one VG is enough |
| 22:43.36 | thewanderer1 | if you need to control what ends up where, then one vg might not be the best solution |
| 22:44.20 | thewanderer1 | for example when the arrays have differing speeds |
| 22:45.14 | CyberDomovoy | actually i misunderstood what a VG is, i was thinking VG was like sda, and LV was like sda[1,2,3...], i'm right for LV, but not VG |
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| 22:50.44 | thewanderer1 | LV is a virtual block device on which you make filesystems, and VG is a container for them, which may consist of several PV's (physical volume) |
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| 22:51.49 | thewanderer1 | most systems have one VG per one [disk chassis | disk array | storage group | whatever name you like] |
| 22:52.26 | thewanderer1 | woah! just installed Squeeze and what am I seeing? SQUEEZE ARTWORK! |
| 22:52.36 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: Thank for helping me out with kvm that day.. Now everything works exactly as I want it to.. and lightning fast. |
| 22:52.48 | thewanderer1 | hehe, am just running a desktop in KVM |
| 22:52.59 | thewanderer1 | VNC is not entirely suited for this :D |
| 22:53.23 | lapsusbrutus | I just installed squeeze too. spaceships lol |
| 22:54.01 | lapsusbrutus | for linuxboxes i use -nographic and ssh to their ip's (got bridging to work too ;)) |
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| 22:54.46 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but running a desktop over SSH could turn out to be unrewarding :D |
| 22:55.02 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
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| 22:57.13 | creitve | hello |
| 22:57.32 | creitve | how do I rebuild program with make install? |
| 22:57.59 | thewanderer1 | !tell creitve about checkinstall |
| 22:58.17 | creitve | I mean, if I just do configure - make - make install, will it be reinstalled properly? |
| 22:58.26 | creitve | but thanks |
| 22:58.27 | creitve | ) |
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| 22:58.35 | thewanderer1 | it *will* but please use checkinstall to avoid mess :D |
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| 22:58.48 | creitve | okay thanks |
| 22:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | What's wrong with building a package? |
| 22:59.50 | thewanderer1 | hey I've enabled GSSAPI authentication and now I can't login via password in SSH... |
| 23:00.11 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: `make install` is wrong in that it install files beyond dpkg's control, checkinstall alleviates that |
| 23:00.59 | thewanderer1 | hmm how do I make SSH understand password logins again? :P |
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| 23:01.21 | Erbureth | ssh server? |
| 23:01.40 | DeathNostril | # PasswordAuthentication yes |
| 23:01.52 | thewanderer1 | yes, this is the default and it's left this way |
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| 23:02.12 | thewanderer1 | but the password seems to go somewhere else... |
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| 23:02.37 | Erbureth | what does your pam module chain look like? |
| 23:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Well, it doesn't really alleviate the problem, it just gives you an uninstall option. |
| 23:03.02 | thewanderer1 | auth sufficient pam_krb5.so minimum_uid=1000 |
| 23:03.04 | thewanderer1 | auth required pam_unix.so try_first_pass nullok_secure |
| 23:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Pretty much the same as tee-ing the output of make install. |
| 23:03.18 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, it effectively puts the package under dpkg's control |
| 23:03.28 | Erbureth | make the pam_unix sufficient? |
| 23:03.33 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Boy, it must've changed a lot since I last used it then. |
| 23:03.50 | thewanderer1 | it outputs a nice shiny .deb :P |
| 23:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I'd still recommend trying to build a .deb if at all reasonable. |
| 23:04.10 | thewanderer1 | yes, which it does :D |
| 23:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. That's not at all the same program I've used by that name. |
| 23:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | Essenntially replaces dbuild then. |
| 23:06.05 | thewanderer1 | hm, how do I pass a password from one module to another? |
| 23:07.06 | thewanderer1 | I already have "try_first_pass" as an argument to pam_unix, thought it'd work |
| 23:08.15 | homie | wtf, why is bluetooth a dep of kde or gnome ? |
| 23:08.30 | Erbureth | and swapping those two modules in the chain? |
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| 23:09.15 | thewanderer1 | hm they were placed there by pam-auth-update... |
| 23:10.13 | thewanderer1 | and it works via PAM when asking about a user's (UID 1000) password - only pam_unix fails |
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| 23:11.52 | thewanderer1 | perhaps not fails - logon failure would indicate that SSH never gets that far |
| 23:12.10 | thewanderer1 | homie: GNOME and KDE contain applets for managing bluetooth, hence the dependency |
| 23:12.59 | thewanderer1 | local login to root using `su` works |
| 23:13.55 | Erbureth | then something might be wrong with ssh-specific module chain |
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| 23:15.21 | jhutchins_lt | homie: If it is it should be bugreported, bluetooth is not common on desktops. |
| 23:15.55 | jhutchins_lt | Good ol' kitchen sink mentality, install everything just in case. |
| 23:16.28 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: That's wrong if you include notebooks and netbooks to your "desktop" list. |
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| 23:19.10 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: kde and gnome are huge metapackages, they're supposed to do just that |
| 23:19.22 | lapsusbrutus | I want a nice file manager (for the rare times when gui is needed) on awesome wm |
| 23:19.28 | thewanderer1 | my ssh-specific module chain @includes common-auth now |
| 23:19.44 | lapsusbrutus | anyone can recommend one? :) |
| 23:19.44 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: pcmanfm-nohal |
| 23:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | IF <bthardware> THEN <install bluetooth> else next; |
| 23:19.56 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: USB adaptors :) |
| 23:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | If <usb bluetooth detected by hal> then if <blutooth not installed> <install bluetooth>; |
| 23:20.46 | lapsusbrutus | ok :) thanks Ill try that one |
| 23:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | However, I don't really believe the system should be prepared for every possible peripheral that could be connected. |
| 23:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | If <user too stupid to install bluetooth to use USB bluetooth> then <install windows>; |
| 23:21.39 | thewanderer1 | that's why you don't install kde-full nor gnome metapackage :P |
| 23:21.57 | thewanderer1 | it looks much like a bug in SSH to me... |
| 23:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | It still leaves some stuff out, I just have a different opinion on what that should be. |
| 23:22.08 | thewanderer1 | let's disable GSSAPI and try again |
| 23:22.36 | thewanderer1 | oh crap |
| 23:22.46 | thewanderer1 | I had "KerberosOrLocalPassword" set to "no" :P |
| 23:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen some really good handling of the "if someone tries to use a device that doesn't have software installed, offer to install the software" handling in modern distros, I think that's a good approach. |
| 23:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | (I think printing is one example of that) |
| 23:23.38 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: perhaps you've noticed that the distro you've mentioned bears the same "user == admin" assumption that Windows did for 15 years |
| 23:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | You could have a bluetooth icon in the control panel, if you click on that and the software's not there, install. |
| 23:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Nope. |
| 23:24.01 | thewanderer1 | so it makes sense there to display such notifications to the user |
| 23:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | Prompts for admin password. |
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| 23:24.45 | thewanderer1 | sure, but it's still about passing admin matters to users |
| 23:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | Which the current version of squeeze kde4 is VERY deficient in. |
| 23:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | System options are displayed to a regular user, but there is no option to go to superuser mode and change them. |
| 23:25.14 | thewanderer1 | actually, kde4 now displays notification prompts about upgrades which annoys me... I'm not root |
| 23:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | Which actually encourages users to run the GUI as root. |
| 23:25.28 | thewanderer1 | so... why should the user care about root matters? |
| 23:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | Give the user the option.l |
| 23:26.07 | thewanderer1 | if it was configurable or depended on a group membership, I'd have nothing against |
| 23:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | Or set every possible thing up so the user never has to be root. |
| 23:26.14 | gnarface | haha |
| 23:26.17 | gnarface | he ran as root |
| 23:26.20 | gnarface | http://www.garyshood.com/root/ |
| 23:26.26 | thewanderer1 | right... :P |
| 23:27.15 | thewanderer1 | I run my system as root. a root with all CAPabilities dropped so he's a normal user but has # instead of $ in bash :P |
| 23:27.28 | thewanderer1 | now how cool is that... |
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| 23:28.31 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Pretty lame. You could have achieved the same by replacing \$ by # in your $PS1 :p |
| 23:28.41 | thewanderer1 | but you wouldn't be root then :P |
| 23:28.43 | gnarface | just adds himself to every system group |
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| 23:29.10 | thewanderer1 | heh. in-kernel MAC for the win |
| 23:29.23 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Yet lame. You could have named yourself root and rename root to thewanderer1 :p |
| 23:29.52 | dserban | ok, please tell me I'm not going crazy... I have a squeeze nfs fileserver, with /srv/store as the exported directory. fstab on the server mounts multiple devices under /srv/store ... such as /srv/store/vol-1 being a 1tb raid array, /srv/store/vol-2 being a plain 500g hard drive etc... all works great. I then mount the remote nfs share to my client machine from xx.xx.xx.xx:/srv/store and it mounts fine, but the vol-1 vol-2 etc directo |
| 23:29.55 | thewanderer1 | awww... I have ping problems again |
| 23:30.16 | thewanderer1 | dserban: define "directo" |
| 23:30.35 | nsadmin | define "crazy" too :) |
| 23:30.36 | thewanderer1 | dserban: if you mean "are empty" then you forgot "crossmnt" option in /etc/exports... |
| 23:30.45 | dserban | it seems that I can't mount a mount with multiple mounts under it. Which option do I need to add to the exports file for this to work... |
| 23:30.59 | dserban | crossmnt? Oh wow, haven't heard of that one before. |
| 23:31.09 | dserban | Thought I'd done this prior lots of times. |
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| 23:31.28 | thewanderer1 | you can also list every single share in exports and mount them one by one :P |
| 23:31.38 | dserban | thewanderer1: that's retarded :P |
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| 23:32.52 | dserban | heh thanks for the pointer, I don't know why I haven't run into this issue before, is this a new option/feature in nfsv3? |
| 23:32.57 | thewanderer1 | I ping a machine. the machine responds in 2 seconds yet ping says it took below 1 milisecond. what is this? |
| 23:33.17 | thewanderer1 | dserban: it's most certainly documented in `man exports` or /usr/share/doc/nfs* |
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| 23:33.40 | gnarface | thewanderer1: hmm. i dunno... routing issue? arp failure at the switch level maybe? sounds weird |
| 23:34.05 | thewanderer1 | okay, it happens only when I ping via DNS name, not when I ping by number |
| 23:34.08 | dserban | thewanderer1: aye I see that, didn't say it wasn't :). Just hadn't been bitten by it before, I'm just concerned that I've misconfigured something somewhere. |
| 23:34.23 | gnarface | thewanderer1: oh. dns latency. run a local dns resolver and you'll be fine |
| 23:34.37 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I'm doing that O.o |
| 23:34.42 | gnarface | uh oh |
| 23:34.43 | gnarface | ! |
| 23:34.54 | gnarface | sounds like its out to lunch |
| 23:35.03 | thewanderer1 | nslookup takes no time at all |
| 23:35.10 | thewanderer1 | ping 192.168.0.21 works like a charm |
| 23:35.23 | thewanderer1 | but pinging by hostname... awww |
| 23:35.31 | NiLon | so I have wired and wlan connection to same router, both get confs via dhcp, main question is that how I can increase metric value of wlan so that it won't prefer it over wire unless forced |
| 23:35.34 | gnarface | thewanderer1: is it just dnsmasq or the like, or is it actually bind? i run bind |
| 23:35.42 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: dnsmasq |
| 23:36.03 | NiLon | windows for example adds 10 to metric value for wlan connections, so I'm looking similar behaviour |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | NiLon: man interfaces IIRC |
| 23:36.06 | gnarface | thewanderer1: does it happen the second time you ping the same dns name, like after it should be cached? |
| 23:36.22 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: yes |
| 23:36.41 | NiLon | abrotman with dhcp it's no go (option has no effect) |
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| 23:36.48 | thewanderer1 | moreover, SSH connection to the machine takes about 15 seconds to ask me for a password |
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| 23:37.01 | gnarface | thewanderer1: sounds like its gone out to lunch. |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | really? |
| 23:37.13 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: meaning what? O.o |
| 23:37.16 | NiLon | abrotman atleast in this case it does nothing |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | NiLon: post ifup scipt to change it with something? |
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| 23:37.48 | NiLon | mm could try that |
| 23:37.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i dunno seems odd. i'd 1) check logs for errors, 2) check its the most recent version 3) restart it, like unto pissing on a spark plug |
| 23:38.12 | NiLon | abrotman is that kind of only option to get it do that? |
| 23:38.29 | abrotman | you have to find the right tool first |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | NiLon: not an awful method |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | NiLon: or have the postup for the wifi take the wired down? |
| 23:39.10 | thewanderer1 | I think it might be reverse DNS... the client which works slowly doesn't have a DNS entry |
| 23:39.46 | gnarface | thewanderer1: you might want to try to nslookup on it directly, local to the box its running on just to rule out something wrong with the network between you and it |
| 23:39.52 | NiLon | abrotman they are separate nic's so don't think so |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:40.13 | abrotman | eahc dev can have its own postup |
| 23:40.22 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: nslookup of SSH server's DNS in the console of the client works in about 0ms |
| 23:40.45 | thewanderer1 | hey, solved |
| 23:40.55 | NiLon | abrotman well will try that |
| 23:41.03 | gnarface | thewanderer1: what was it? |
| 23:41.09 | thewanderer1 | reverse DNS |
| 23:41.13 | gnarface | ah |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | NiLon: seems like it shouldnt be thta hard? |
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| 23:41.22 | thewanderer1 | but ping? (!!) |
| 23:41.32 | thewanderer1 | I had no idea ping would need reverse DNS to work |
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| 23:42.10 | dserban | thewanderer1: I was just looking over your responses to me, you asked about two seperate things regarding my first statement, which I see here no problem. I wonder if you're experiencing packet loss? |
| 23:42.10 | gnarface | still seems weird to me, like reverse dns wasn't missing but actually misconfigured? |
| 23:42.30 | thewanderer1 | dserban: nope, no packet loss |
| 23:42.35 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Um, ping does NOT need dns or rdns to work. |
| 23:42.47 | thewanderer1 | ^ that's what I thought... |
| 23:43.26 | thewanderer1 | hm, the host has avahi-daemon running |
| 23:44.11 | thewanderer1 | whatever it was, it's gone |
| 23:44.32 | gnarface | thewanderer1: do you have other dns servers listed in your resolv.conf? you could be getting good responses from some and then timing out on invalid ones |
| 23:44.53 | dserban | exported directory. <-- what I typed, what you said --> dserban: define "directo" ... directories are empty <-- what I typed, what you said --> if you mean "are empty" then you |
| 23:44.54 | thewanderer1 | nope, just this local resolver |
| 23:45.01 | dserban | why I assumed packet loss |
| 23:45.26 | thewanderer1 | dserban: no, they usually appear empty when you forget crossmnt |
| 23:46.17 | dserban | Yeah heh, I get it, your responses didn't seem to fit =D .. never mind, you've got plenty of help here.. I'll go fix my nfs issue |
| 23:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: He's like that sometimes. |
| 23:47.04 | thewanderer1 | it's the IRC server which cuts off messages... :P |
| 23:47.05 | gnarface | thewanderer1: how many dns servers does your dnsmasq setup query? maybe one of THEM is down/timing out? |
| 23:47.22 | gnarface | it would cause intermittent behavior |
| 23:47.33 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: does it matter as long as it's querying in-addr.arpa ? |
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| 23:47.50 | catsup | yes |
| 23:47.56 | gnarface | thewanderer1: only if one of them is down |
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| 23:48.10 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: So you were wanting to mount an nfs share, then mount other nfs shares within that share's tree? |
| 23:48.18 | N2Deep_ | thewanderer1, daemonkeeper: I'm back now, doing a fresh install of squeeze again, might need help with the static ipv4 again. |
| 23:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ie /mnt/nfs, /mnt/nfs/nfs2 |
| 23:52.03 | dserban | jhutchins_lt: nope, actual hard drives mounted via fstab... so /dev/sda1 /srv/store/vol-2 etc... then I export /srv/store so no nfs over nfs.. just nfs to local drive mounts |
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| 23:52.37 | thewanderer1 | I'm configuring libnss-ldap and it wants a user with "root privileges" - why would I want to give it an admin user on client machines? |
| 23:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: I believe that CAN be done, it's just such a very bad idea that it's hard to do it. |
| 23:54.11 | thewanderer1 | why a bad idea? |
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| 23:54.49 | thewanderer1 | NFS4 works by exporting only a single directory tree and nobody says it's a bad idea :P |
| 23:54.53 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: nfs mounts shared via nfs? One gnat fart and the whole network locks up. |
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| 23:55.08 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: no, he said he shares hard drives |
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| 23:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | I must be missing something. |
| 23:55.39 | thewanderer1 | perhaps your parser is buggy |
| 23:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, he has not been able to share a directory with hw mounted within the three. |
| 23:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | tree even. |
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| 23:56.44 | jhutchins_lt | That _should_ work. |
| 23:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | So if /home were a seperate partition he couldn't share /. |
| 23:57.40 | thewanderer1 | he could, but he'd get owned sooner than later :P |
| 23:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | Hypothetical using a known tree model. |
| 23:58.13 | dserban | jhutchins_lt: well ... hmm the only other option .. to group stuff would be lvm, but that's an inherently bad idea as well ... this way, I only lose small chunks of data at a time when a drive dies |
| 23:58.35 | dserban | once the drives are mounted, they're part of the filesystem, didn't know that it was a bad idea |
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| 23:59.13 | dserban | jhutchins_lt: yes correct... |
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| 23:59.25 | dserban | I can't access part of the tree further in. |
| 23:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: Not a bad idea, thewanderer1 was going off on the tangent that sharing / is insecure. |
| 23:59.39 | dserban | thewanderer1: why owned, explain it to this noob |
| 23:59.44 | dserban | ahh |
| 23:59.47 | thewanderer1 | dserban: /etc/shadow |
| 23:59.48 | thewanderer1 | :P |