| 00:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | !lart thewanderer1 |
| 00:00.02 | dpkg | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at thewanderer1 |
| 00:00.06 | dserban | oh oh oh I get it now |
| 00:00.27 | dserban | I feel like everyone's speaking in riddles today.. I must have had a minor stroke |
| 00:00.31 | dserban | =D |
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| 00:01.20 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.11 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: All I can say is study your nfs docs, there's probably some silly --allow_sub_mounts option or something. |
| 00:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | dserban: squashroot or whatever. |
| 00:03.09 | thewanderer1 | didn't crossmnt fix that? |
| 00:04.49 | dserban | thewanderer1: I haven't tried, I was RTFM'ing |
| 00:04.54 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha :P |
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| 00:05.14 | dserban | because now I can't see why it's worked ok for years for me and now it doesn't... so something's different |
| 00:06.31 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it included crossmnt by default, I don't know |
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| 00:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I've had that happen. Set something up accidentally taking advantage of some bug, they fix the bug, it breaks your system. |
| 00:10.05 | N2Deep_ | so now I have a static address is squeeze, but it kills my routing. |
| 00:10.16 | N2Deep_ | route -4 prints no routes now. |
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| 00:10.29 | thewanderer1 | omg! GRUB background theme in Squeeze! |
| 00:10.34 | jordanm | route add default gw <ip> |
| 00:10.44 | N2Deep_ | thanks let me try |
| 00:10.49 | dvs | thewanderer1: my kid did that. ;-) |
| 00:10.50 | thewanderer1 | N2Deep_: you need a "gateway 11.22.33.44" stanza in your file for that... |
| 00:11.11 | N2Deep_ | yes, it's already there |
| 00:11.21 | N2Deep_ | ifup -a |
| 00:11.22 | thewanderer1 | dvs: it's awesomely nice despite not looking entirely enterprise-ish :D |
| 00:11.37 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:11.38 | N2Deep_ | and then when I entered route -4 it was empty |
| 00:11.41 | thewanderer1 | N2Deep_: did you upgrade from Woody today or something? :P |
| 00:12.14 | N2Deep_ | like I said earlier, a barnd new frosh install of squeeze. |
| 00:12.20 | N2Deep_ | *fresh |
| 00:12.30 | jelly-home | frosh should be a word. |
| 00:12.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, like "squozen" in "freeze is squozen" |
| 00:13.01 | N2Deep_ | well on Dvorak layout all vowels are next to each other on home row. |
| 00:13.14 | N2Deep_ | so its easy to mix up o ond e |
| 00:13.21 | jelly-home | barnd obviously denotes the placement of said install |
| 00:14.18 | N2Deep_ | so anyway, route add default 192.168.10.1 returns |
| 00:14.36 | N2Deep_ | SIOCADDT: No such device |
| 00:14.50 | N2Deep_ | actually SIOCADDRT |
| 00:15.12 | thewanderer1 | `route add default via 192.168.10.1` |
| 00:15.41 | Erbureth | or `route add default dev eth0` |
| 00:15.48 | Erbureth | ? |
| 00:16.32 | thewanderer1 | aww, pam-auth-update is buggy as hell |
| 00:16.52 | thewanderer1 | it still hasn't managed to produce a working PAM config even once |
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| 00:23.37 | N2Deep_ | route add default gw 192.168.10.1 SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 00:24.32 | stew | N2Deep_: do you have a route to 192.168.10.1? |
| 00:24.43 | N2Deep_ | ip route add default via 192.168.10.1 RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 00:24.45 | stew | (or some network containing it) |
| 00:25.00 | dvs | jelly-home: frosh is the Canadian equivalent of freshman |
| 00:25.39 | N2Deep_ | yes, the machine was able to recieve echo replies just fine with DHCP |
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| 00:26.02 | stew | N2Deep_: you need to have a route to 192.168.10.1 before you can declare it the default |
| 00:26.11 | N2Deep_ | I could ping local and public addresses. also aptitude update worked fine with us.ftp.debian.org |
| 00:26.45 | stew | N2Deep_: can you put the output of "ip r" into a pastebin? |
| 00:27.33 | N2Deep_ | stew: please elaborate. this machine was just setup with squeeze beta2 a few minutes ago, and was using DHCP. clearly it was using 192.168.10.1 with DHCP |
| 00:27.45 | N2Deep_ | why is static networking killing my routing? |
| 00:28.11 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it had a different network set? |
| 00:28.23 | stew | N2Deep_: i was trying to help you figure out why you are getting "RTNETLINK answers: No such process" |
| 00:28.42 | stew | N2Deep_: my suspicion is that you don't have a route to 192.168.10.1, because I don't know what else would cause that problem |
| 00:29.06 | N2Deep_ | upon the first bootup after install (DHCP), route -4 showed that my default route was 192.168.10.1 |
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| 00:29.29 | thewanderer1 | N2Deep_: can you just paste your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere? |
| 00:29.36 | N2Deep_ | sure |
| 00:30.11 | N2Deep_ | there was some adjustment to networking here recently, but I don't think that is affecting anything. |
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| 00:30.20 | thewanderer1 | guys, why would mount.nfs4 hang indefinitely? |
| 00:31.27 | gnarface | disk failure? really long fsck? |
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| 00:33.29 | thewanderer1 | the server is up and running |
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| 00:39.45 | N2Deep_ | sorry for the delay, really busy today: http://pastebin.com/WBrJsx2v |
| 00:40.35 | N2Deep_ | what I'm trying to say is that the same way I set up static networking on Lenny, is not working for me on Squeeze beta2. |
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| 00:41.36 | N2Deep_ | I never have to manually add a default route on Lenny after going from DHCP to static. |
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| 00:45.38 | N2Deep_ | well I have my default route now. |
| 00:46.17 | N2Deep_ | though it was painful. There is something odd with Squeeze beta2. |
| 00:46.34 | N2Deep_ | I'm rebooting the machine, just for kicks. |
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| 00:56.01 | thewanderer1 | Yeah! NFS4 is working on Squeeze! |
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| 00:56.56 | thewanderer1 | now how do I tell it to initialize a ticket (kinit) upon login? |
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| 00:57.14 | N2Deep_ | NFS4, nice! |
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| 00:57.53 | N2Deep_ | so squeeze beta2 will become squeeze 'stable' thorugh the repositries, correct? |
| 00:58.02 | eadthem | ok so i just installed debian but the only avallable mouse i had was a old logitec serial port mouse(RS232) |
| 00:58.04 | N2Deep_ | *repositories |
| 00:58.19 | eadthem | is there a shortcut to get to the main menu to install its driver? |
| 00:58.20 | djura-san | o/ |
| 00:59.05 | centHOGG | eadthem: hi, mouse works with other linux distros? |
| 00:59.53 | eadthem | it worked during the mandriva install( thats about all that worked on that install) |
| 00:59.57 | eadthem | never worked once it was installed |
| 01:00.10 | eadthem | so i know the mouse works |
| 01:00.11 | centHOGG | y |
| 01:00.36 | centHOGG | idk, should work ok |
| 01:00.44 | eadthem | anyhow i can accualy boot and login to debian so guess im using it |
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| 01:01.48 | eadthem | well in windows you can normaly hit the windows key alt tab and tab key to move without a mouse |
| 01:02.00 | eadthem | none of this is working atm im loaded in to gnome |
| 01:02.10 | centHOGG | y |
| 01:02.13 | eadthem | of corse a console thing would be fine |
| 01:02.29 | centHOGG | ok, heard of puppy linux distro? |
| 01:02.31 | eadthem | mmm aparently atl control esc opens the menu |
| 01:02.45 | centHOGG | micro distro |
| 01:02.45 | eadthem | ya y? |
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| 01:03.00 | abrotman | eadthem: you probably have to add the serial mouse modules to /etc/modules |
| 01:03.02 | centHOGG | if the mouse works there then I think its ok |
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| 01:03.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | eadthem: echo sermouse >> /etc/modules .. reboot |
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| 01:09.50 | eadthem | didnt help the mouse |
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| 01:11.01 | centHOGG | what are the sys specs |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | eadthem: is the module loaded? |
| 01:12.06 | eadthem | im not 100% certan how to check that look in etc moduals for sermouse? |
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| 01:12.34 | gnarface | lsmod! |
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| 01:15.39 | pielgrzym | how to check if I'm using 32 or 64bit debian lenny? uname -a says: 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Fri Dec 10 16:59:53 UTC 2010 i686 - so it looks like 32bit? |
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| 01:16.08 | stew | pielgrzym: if you are running a 686 kernel it must be 32 bit |
| 01:16.19 | pielgrzym | stew: thanks |
| 01:16.58 | pielgrzym | stew: is lenny availible in 64bit? I've specified the installer for vm domU to use amd64 :/ |
| 01:17.28 | stew | pielgrzym: yes, amd64 is available for lenny |
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| 01:18.23 | pielgrzym | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.46 | pielgrzym | and it installed 32bit :/ I've used this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 01:18.56 | eadthem | ok how do you scroll up in console if something printed to fast |
| 01:19.14 | eadthem | nvm |
| 01:19.55 | eadthem | sermouse is loaded |
| 01:20.28 | centHOGG | more or less command |
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| 01:21.57 | thewanderer1 | heh, even krb5i works when you have ptr records set right |
| 01:24.28 | thewanderer1 | or at least seems to work :P |
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| 01:33.00 | crs | Hi, I am using debian on Openrd-ultimate. I want to apply linux-patch-grsecurity2 patch to vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-kirkwood which I am currently using. How would I do that? |
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| 01:36.41 | stew | crs: do you have the source of vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-kirkwood ? |
| 01:37.09 | sonnie | wbar issue: "couldn't load font". I have linked font.ttf to a real ttf file like what i've done in another working machine. |
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| 01:38.03 | eadthem | i moved my ps2 mouse to it and it worked right away im using the serial mouse on this windows box now witch oddly enuff worked without installing the driver |
| 01:38.24 | centHOGG | xcellnt |
| 01:38.32 | eadthem | i need another ps2 mouse anyhow |
| 01:38.44 | eadthem | this ones about 6 years old |
| 01:38.55 | centHOGG | eadthem: what's the sys spec |
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| 01:44.19 | crs | stew: I have a config file for it, yes. |
| 01:45.35 | crs | stew: But no sources in /usr/src. I downloaded .37. Can I obtain sources for currently running kernel with apt-get? |
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| 01:48.01 | eadthem | 2x via eden jetway j7f4k1g2es-LF mainboards 1GB ram each seasonic SS-350ST power supply WD barracuta 80GB and soon to be a 8.4GB seagate metalist for board 2 |
| 01:48.12 | eadthem | board 1 is server board 2 is router |
| 01:48.32 | eadthem | http://final.servegame.com/public/itx/done/ and a bit custom on the case |
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| 01:49.19 | centHOGG | so only the mouse was old skool |
| 01:49.23 | eadthem | ya |
| 01:49.28 | eadthem | just what i had handy |
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| 01:49.46 | eadthem | unfortuantly my prefferd mouse is hard to find outside of eurasia |
| 01:50.01 | centHOGG | well y'know how it is with old hw and linux |
| 01:50.15 | centHOGG | only certain distros work well with it |
| 01:50.16 | eadthem | it works better than new hardware? |
| 01:50.28 | centHOGG | it works better on new hw |
| 01:50.49 | centHOGG | not the latest but the common |
| 01:50.56 | gnarface | disabled all serial ports in the bios; reduced IO latency by 90% |
| 01:51.28 | eadthem | ya i only enabled it because of the mouse |
| 01:51.41 | eadthem | after its setup ile prob have usb disabled as well as the GFX card |
| 01:51.52 | centHOGG | they're gonna even phase out ps2 someday soon |
| 01:52.04 | eadthem | that will be a while i bet |
| 01:52.07 | max_sharpe | they are. |
| 01:52.10 | max_sharpe | i was at best buy |
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| 01:52.20 | max_sharpe | i just happen to look at the back of a desktop |
| 01:52.27 | max_sharpe | i think the ps2 port for the mouse was gone |
| 01:52.32 | max_sharpe | the laptop one was still there. |
| 01:53.05 | max_sharpe | not laptop |
| 01:53.07 | max_sharpe | keyboard |
| 01:53.11 | max_sharpe | damn my brain is sho |
| 01:53.13 | max_sharpe | shot |
| 01:53.13 | centHOGG | only thing about ps2 is sometimes those pins get bent... when you switch mouses alot |
| 01:53.21 | max_sharpe | Yeah. |
| 01:53.23 | eadthem | never had that happen yet |
| 01:53.27 | centHOGG | hard to do on USB :P |
| 01:53.28 | max_sharpe | i will use a mouse till it dies |
| 01:53.40 | max_sharpe | i just use a mechanical pencil to straighten it. |
| 01:53.42 | centHOGG | <trackballer |
| 01:53.45 | centHOGG | y |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | back to Debian ... |
| 01:53.54 | centHOGG | debian police |
| 01:53.55 | eadthem | this one i chopped off another mosue cable and replaced the cable on it to bring it back to life |
| 01:53.57 | max_sharpe | i have trackball i cant use it well |
| 01:54.01 | centHOGG | kewl |
| 01:54.02 | eadthem | this things the best mouse you can have |
| 01:54.21 | gnarface | i have a debian question - is the e17 build in sid way out of date? |
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| 01:54.36 | abrotman | gnarface: probably .. does anyone even use it? :) |
| 01:55.07 | gnarface | i keep trying but every time i try to load a non-stock theme it explodes catastrophically (crashes X/IO locks, ugly log errors, the whole mess) |
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| 01:57.12 | eadthem | trying to figure out synaptic package manager atm |
| 01:57.27 | eadthem | gnome depends on cheese(a web cam tool) |
| 01:57.32 | eadthem | ??? |
| 01:58.05 | gnarface | gnome deps ftl |
| 01:58.13 | eadthem | thats crazy |
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| 01:59.39 | abrotman | that's not crazy ... gnome is a metapackage |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 01:59.41 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 02:00.29 | crs | will: PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image produce a full, working (if lucky) kernel patched with patches in /usr/src/? |
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| 02:05.05 | CyberDomovoy | i have a NAS on wich i can't easilly add new software, it have a nfs server, wich gives access to a share that is actually a raid5+lvm. I have a raid5+lvm of about the same size on a client machine. I'd like to do a raid1 from those two raid5, is that possible? (that means mirroring my client data on the NAS in realtime, no rsync or such) |
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| 02:06.04 | eadthem | ok thers add remove programs and then there synaptic package manager |
| 02:06.26 | eadthem | add remove seams to beable to do nothing at all and everything mearly reffers you to synaptic |
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| 02:22.48 | eadthem | im trying to add the mariaDB packages to the package manager right now |
| 02:23.10 | eadthem | in suse i would mearly rt click the RPM and choose add to package manager and then they would be in the manager ready to be isntalled |
| 02:23.18 | eadthem | im not finding a option here |
| 02:23.19 | froggyman | When I unplug my laptop the Gnome power applet tells me that its still charging |
| 02:23.36 | froggyman | Is this some sort of GNU/Free power thing ? :) |
| 02:23.41 | eadthem | i did see file > add downloaded packages in synaptic but that didnt help |
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| 02:24.45 | abrotman | froggyman: might be a buggy acpi .. my netbook does something freaky like that |
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| 02:25.48 | froggyman | abrotman, alright |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | when i unplug it, the acpi instantly reports it to have 0 battery |
| 02:26.36 | froggyman | I have 100% |
| 02:26.44 | abrotman | i was commenting on mine ... |
| 02:26.45 | crs | can I use apt-get to obtain kernel sources? |
| 02:26.57 | froggyman | would like to just believe that its a new GNU/Free power movement |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | crs: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 02:27.54 | crs | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:29.09 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 02:30.18 | EagleScreen | I am running Debian squeeze, and I ma trying to create a pbuilder natty (ubuntu) enviroment, I have signature errors and I can't create it -> http://pastebin.ca/2039993 |
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| 02:33.30 | katsrc | has anyone successfully installed libreoffice from any of the debian repos? |
| 02:33.57 | stew | EagleScreen: use the --keyring argument to debootstrap |
| 02:34.11 | eadthem | that was on my todo list atm i cant get synaptic to even import a manaualy downloaded package |
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| 02:34.35 | EagleScreen | stew: I do it, I have it in my .pbuilderrc |
| 02:35.57 | stew | EagleScreen: does the keyring have 40976EAF437D05B5 ? |
| 02:36.37 | EagleScreen | how to check it? |
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| 02:37.29 | stew | EagleScreen: gpg --keyring /path/to/keyring --list-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 02:38.34 | EagleScreen | /path/to/keyring is a web site in this case? |
| 02:39.12 | stew | EagleScreen: they keyring you are specifying in your .pbuilderrc |
| 02:39.13 | eadthem | is there some other file synaptic needs inorder for it to accept a .DEB package |
| 02:39.18 | eadthem | ? |
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| 02:40.11 | EagleScreen | eadthem: want to install a local .deb package |
| 02:40.13 | EagleScreen | ?? |
| 02:40.17 | eadthem | ya |
| 02:40.29 | EagleScreen | Debian version, eadthem? |
| 02:40.51 | eadthem | 5.0.7 iirc |
| 02:40.55 | eadthem | downloaded yesterday |
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| 02:41.33 | EagleScreen | stew: http://pastebin.ca/2040013 |
| 02:41.43 | eadthem | when you go file > add downloaded packages its all grayed out |
| 02:41.48 | EagleScreen | eadthem: not sure if synaptic can do it |
| 02:42.02 | EagleScreen | eadthem: gdebi is designed to do that work |
| 02:42.06 | eadthem | is there another program? |
| 02:42.47 | eadthem | ok so whats synaptic for thers also add remove programs witch appears to be compleatly broken (everythign says to use synaptic when attempting to remove or add |
| 02:43.39 | EagleScreen | eadthem: synaptic is to install packages provided by online repositories, or by official Debian CDs |
| 02:43.54 | EagleScreen | and also for removing any installed package |
| 02:44.11 | EagleScreen | and gdebi is to install manualy downloaded .deb packages |
| 02:44.41 | eadthem | will gdebi handle dependicys by downloading them or asking for you to provide them? |
| 02:45.10 | stew | eadthem: "dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install" the dpkg will fail due to the missing dependencies, then aptitude installs them |
| 02:45.36 | eadthem | automaticly? with out warning or option? |
| 02:45.58 | eadthem | srry im use to suse and mandriva package manager yast and yum |
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| 02:46.58 | stew | eadthem: aptitude would tell you what it was going to do before it does anything, if there are multiple possible solutions, you could choose among them |
| 02:47.15 | EagleScreen | '# gdebi package.deb' will install the package installing also its dependencies |
| 02:47.43 | eadthem | will gdebi allow you to choose what to do with missing dependancys? |
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| 02:48.44 | EagleScreen | negative, it check it all dependencies are in the current configured repositories, if the aren't, it doesn't allow the package installation |
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| 02:53.34 | EagleScreen | I was using '--keyring' '/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg' and the right option is "--keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg" |
| 02:53.42 | EagleScreen | note the = |
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| 03:00.07 | dennister | EagleScreen: hey...what I was talking about in the wrong channel was a brand new debian lenny install |
| 03:01.16 | EagleScreen | oh you did a new lenny install |
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| 03:01.26 | EagleScreen | dennister: how new is your computer? |
| 03:01.35 | EagleScreen | or how old is it? |
| 03:02.17 | dennister | heheh...the one I'm trying to install lenny on is is a very old compaq p3 i'm very attached to, my oldest computer |
| 03:02.59 | EagleScreen | ok |
| 03:03.01 | dennister | but it had jaunty on it, which isn't supported anymore, so it was the first one to dump the ubuntu distros |
| 03:03.22 | dennister | had enough with ubuntu |
| 03:03.33 | EagleScreen | dennister: install these packages: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and xorg |
| 03:03.54 | eadthem | kinda amased that the debian package system cant autohandle dependances youve manualy downloaded |
| 03:04.02 | dennister | they're already installed...at least I verified the first two were installed already |
| 03:04.16 | EagleScreen | dennister: but how did you install them? |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | he only needs to install 'xorg' |
| 03:04.25 | dennister | aptitude |
| 03:04.42 | EagleScreen | what happens if you run "startx"? |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | dennister: what is the problem you're having ? |
| 03:04.55 | dennister | nothing...black screen |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | dennister: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 03:05.27 | dennister | k, hold on...in other room |
| 03:05.28 | katsrc | does anyone know if w3m stores history? |
| 03:05.49 | abrotman | dennister: you might want to try using irssi |
| 03:05.54 | EagleScreen | katsrc: no idea, but look at some ~/.w3m |
| 03:06.11 | katsrc | EagleScreen: thanks |
| 03:06.35 | dennister | re-learn a new package just so i can fix this problem, after which I'll probably never use it again? |
| 03:06.40 | dennister | brb |
| 03:08.04 | abrotman | it's CLI irc .. but okay |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | that's right .. i'll capitalize CLI but not IRC :) |
| 03:10.30 | eadthem | nomatter witch package i attempt to install it has a missing depednancy witch is another of the packages ive downloaded witch also has a missing depednancy |
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| 03:10.49 | eadthem | there are no missing dependancys its that they are interdependant |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | eadthem: paste.debian.net .. show us |
| 03:13.52 | eadthem | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb-5.3.4/kvm-deb-debian5-x86/debs/binary/ |
| 03:14.03 | dennister | that took awhile :( finally got: 82815 intel chipset for my video controller |
| 03:14.07 | eadthem | one sec |
| 03:14.37 | eadthem | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/mariadb-5.2.4/kvm-deb-debian5-x86/debs/binary/ |
| 03:14.46 | dennister | like i thought, intel video driver |
| 03:14.48 | abrotman | dennister: do you want X to start automatically at boot ? |
| 03:15.03 | abrotman | dennister: and which WM do you want? |
| 03:15.04 | dennister | yes...seeing as how startx doesn't work either |
| 03:15.22 | dennister | WM doesn't matter so much, i can work with either |
| 03:15.28 | abrotman | either? there are dozens |
| 03:15.46 | dennister | k, talking 'bout gdm and kdm then, the most common |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | gdm and kdm are Display Managers .. not Window Managers |
| 03:15.58 | dennister | it's now set to use kdm |
| 03:16.04 | rudi_s | np |
| 03:16.16 | rudi_s | (Sorry, ECHAN.) |
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| 03:16.33 | abrotman | !flog rudi_s |
| 03:16.33 | dpkg | hog-ties rudi_s and starts the heavy punishment with a cat5-o-nine-tails. |
| 03:16.34 | dennister | yes, hence the 'd'...what do you mean by WM? |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | window manager |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | or Desktop Environment |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | fluxbox, gnome, kde, icewm, xfce4 .. etc |
| 03:17.27 | dennister | ive got both installed now, gnome and kde, but they both depend on x working, so let's fix that problem, k? |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | so when kdm starts .. it displays correctly? |
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| 03:18.23 | dennister | no. x server doesn't load, so neither do kdm or gdm |
| 03:18.40 | dennister | both depend on xorg, which isn't working |
| 03:18.45 | dennister | that's the problem |
| 03:19.15 | abrotman | have you looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors ? |
| 03:19.30 | dennister | no...brb |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | also make sure the 'xorg' package is fully/correctly installed |
| 03:21.44 | eadthem | abrotman was that what you wanted? |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:22.01 | eadthem | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/mariadb-5.2.4/kvm-deb-debian5-x86/debs/binary/ |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | ah no .. if you use `aptitude -f install` .. what is the error ? |
| 03:22.39 | abrotman | use paste.debian.et to show us errors |
| 03:23.34 | eadthem | aptitude -f install |
| 03:23.42 | eadthem | err wrong keyboard |
| 03:23.56 | EagleScreen | what? |
| 03:24.33 | abrotman | .net |
| 03:26.42 | dennister | took a look at Xorg.0.log...couldn't see anything untoward |
| 03:26.54 | eadthem | it basicly did nothing 0 packages upgraded newly installed to remove or not updated |
| 03:27.33 | EagleScreen | eadthem: now run this: "apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xorg" and tell us |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | dennister: you may want to generate an xorg.conf and force it to use vesa to see if that works |
| 03:27.39 | abrotman | EagleScreen: wrong person |
| 03:27.47 | EagleScreen | sorry |
| 03:27.53 | abrotman | EagleScreen: and i'll tell you again ... you *only* need 'xorg' |
| 03:28.00 | abrotman | xorg pulls in the other two |
| 03:28.23 | EagleScreen | eadthem: now run this: "apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xorg" and tell us |
| 03:28.30 | eadthem | umm |
| 03:28.42 | eadthem | slaps EagleScreen around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:28.43 | Zyf_Lappy | slaps eadthem around a bit with a large EagleScreen |
| 03:28.43 | Zyf_Lappy | You don't like this script, don't use the generic troutslaps! Simple as that! |
| 03:28.45 | EagleScreen | ok abrotman |
| 03:28.48 | abrotman | EagleScreen: stop sayingthat |
| 03:29.00 | abrotman | Zyf_Lappy: turn that off |
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| 03:29.28 | abrotman | EagleScreen: and you told the wrong person again .. he's trying to install a DB, now you have him installing X |
| 03:29.36 | abrotman | eadthem: you don't nheed to install xorg .. tha twon't help you at all |
| 03:29.36 | EagleScreen | eadthem: later, run this (ar root): "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" |
| 03:29.42 | dennister | k will try, but I already did try the dpkg-reconfigure line and it didn't work...did generate a new xorg.conf file but nothing changed |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | EagleScreen: STOP ALREADY |
| 03:29.45 | eadthem | no i got that much |
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| 03:29.54 | abrotman | eadthem: completely ignore EagleScreen .. he's not going to help you |
| 03:30.09 | abrotman | dennister: you will need to use Xorg -configure to get a real xorg.conf |
| 03:30.10 | dennister | abrotman: that command is the first thing i usually try |
| 03:30.26 | dennister | without the rest of the line? |
| 03:30.34 | eadthem | well im not going to compleatly ignore him but im certanly not going to start a xorg anything when gnome is working reasonably well |
| 03:30.49 | abrotman | eadthem: if you dpkg -i your mariadb package .. what is the error ? |
| 03:30.51 | EagleScreen | wow, meny people here chatting at the same time, I am getting confused, I AM SORRY |
| 03:31.47 | EagleScreen | the person with the Xorg issue is.... dennister, right? |
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| 03:32.18 | eadthem | says mariadb-server depends on mariadb-server-5.2 |
| 03:32.21 | dennister | abrotman: the Xorg.0.log did mention some things about drm problems at the end, and one thing i was gonna try was "Option "NoDDC" in xorg.conf |
| 03:32.30 | dennister | EagleScreen: yes, the xorg issue is me |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | eadthem: do you have tha tpackage also ? you can specify multiple packages on a single dpkg -i |
| 03:32.50 | dennister | brb |
| 03:32.53 | EagleScreen | the steps I gave to the other were for you, dennister |
| 03:33.08 | abrotman | and still wrong |
| 03:34.02 | eadthem | aaa see i think thats what needs to be done |
| 03:34.05 | dennister | EagleScreen: i did the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh....line before I even came into this channel...created new xorg.conf file but that's all it did...didn't solve the problem |
| 03:34.25 | EagleScreen | I see |
| 03:34.26 | abrotman | and that doesn't do much in lenny |
| 03:34.50 | dennister | i'll try the "Xorg -configure" |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | dennister: sorry .. X -configure |
| 03:35.04 | eadthem | because mariadb-server-5.2 depends on the same but core |
| 03:35.05 | abrotman | in lenny |
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| 03:35.12 | abrotman | eadthem: specify them all |
| 03:35.24 | eadthem | witch depends on ... and ... witch ends up back at dpending on mariadb server |
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| 03:36.08 | abrotman | eadthem: use paste.debian.net to show us ... |
| 03:36.13 | EagleScreen | dennister may have some kdm or gdm (crashed) instance running, blocking the X server |
| 03:36.20 | eadthem | one sec im chaning them atm |
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| 03:37.36 | EagleScreen | dennister: you may try this as root: /etc/init.d/gdm stop; /etc/init.d/kdm stop; startx |
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| 03:39.07 | Out`Of`Control | Hi, any one know why Debian is late with new version? |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | it's not late |
| 03:40.11 | Out`Of`Control | huh |
| 03:40.32 | EagleScreen | is it following the last two-years acorded cycle? |
| 03:40.53 | Out`Of`Control | no |
| 03:42.08 | abrotman | there is no schedule .. it cannot be late |
| 03:42.16 | EagleScreen | I supose they have to polish the installer |
| 03:42.40 | EagleScreen | when the installer to be completly ready, I think the new version will be released |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | or where there are no RC bugs |
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| 03:44.16 | Out`Of`Control | ok thanks |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | s/where/when/ |
| 03:45.44 | mactimes | Hi all. I'm trying to setup MIT Kerberos as per these instructions: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570. From the server itself, I'm able to kinit and krb5-rsh starts fine. From the client side, I'm getting kinit to issue a ticket OK, but when I try to krb5-rsh from a station to a host (in this case, the server itself), I'm getting "Unknown Host". Could someone provide me some assistance on this problem? |
| 03:46.59 | eadthem | irssi isnt connecting unfortuantly |
| 03:47.04 | eadthem | so much for the easer way |
| 03:47.28 | mactimes | Oh, by the way, nslookup, ping and dig are getting me proper responses from the client side. |
| 03:47.59 | dennister | k, so now i'm in a worse situation: before i tried the Xorg-configure I could at least access the system through recovery mode, now I can't even do that :( |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 03:48.21 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "update-rc.d xdm stop 20 2 3 4 5" and friends will also disable the dm. echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or just hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 03:49.27 | eadthem | abrotman the last paste on paste.debian.net is myn |
| 03:50.09 | dennister | k and since I can't even get into a console or any text-based command line environment, how do you recommend I enter this string? |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | eadthem: install libdbi-perl .. try again |
| 03:50.33 | eadthem | it seams clear didnt accualy clear all of it |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | dennister: init=/bin/sh |
| 03:50.39 | eadthem | srry bout the exess |
| 03:50.50 | eadthem | ic |
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| 03:52.01 | eadthem | wish synaptic wouldnt clean up alegidly broken packages when it runs |
| 03:52.25 | abrotman | use a better tool |
| 03:52.34 | eadthem | is there a?> |
| 03:52.47 | eadthem | is ther a better tool? |
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| 03:55.50 | EagleScreen | to disable kdm or gdm: apt-get install rcconf; rcconf; unmark kdm/gdm and reboot |
| 03:58.04 | EagleScreen | eadthem: synaptic marks them as autoremovable, if you order packages by state, you will see them (if any) |
| 03:58.19 | EagleScreen | dennister: any progress? |
| 03:59.51 | eadthem | k external dependancys cleared |
| 04:00.00 | eadthem | now the circular depdendacys are all thats left |
| 04:00.25 | eadthem | its on paste.debian.net |
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| 04:03.21 | eadthem | nvm it seams to of worked now |
| 04:03.56 | eadthem | whats scary is apache is next |
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| 04:20.56 | eadthem | k trying to install a ubuntu deb atm ubuntu 10.x is = to debian 6.x? |
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| 04:38.30 | veebull | does erasing the partitions on the disk take a lot longer on Squeeze, or is it just me? ;) |
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| 04:59.05 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 04:59.06 | dpkg | <Michiel1983> dpkg: I have problems with boot for the 2.6.9 kernel, I got a kernel panic:Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) On undernet they told me to: go to irc.freenode.net, join #debian and ask dpkg about bobbitt |
| 04:59.56 | stew | excellent |
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| 05:06.19 | dennister | EagleScreen: k, am getting somewhere....had trouble with one of abrotman's command strings, but did add the "vesa" driver to my device, so now I'm getting some video, but both kdm and gdm are not being started...have also added "NoDDC" and "NoDRM" as options in my monitor section, that may help in some other areas (am using a projector instead of regular monitor), but am now reinstalled gnome so maybe gdm will start |
| 05:06.44 | dennister | *reinstalling |
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| 05:11.55 | dennister | EagleScreen: u still here |
| 05:12.34 | dennister | ? |
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| 05:25.48 | Bastihase | how can extrat the boot.img.gz image under windows? |
| 05:26.01 | Bastihase | how can extract the boot.img.gz image under windows? |
| 05:27.38 | stew | Bastihase: it is compressed with gzip |
| 05:27.52 | Bastihase | i will unpack the file |
| 05:27.59 | Bastihase | i will install debian from usb stick |
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| 05:29.32 | mmcji | howdee, i need an rsync package for a debian etch amd64 server. it is an old server we need to rsync files off of so we can updated it to to the most current rev. I have been looking around for a .deb for etch, but have been unable to find one. anyone know where I can find one? |
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| 05:34.19 | abcr | is it possible to install debian with unetbootin as a live distro, on a usb stick? |
| 05:34.30 | stew | judd: info rsync --release etch |
| 05:34.31 | judd | Package rsync (net, optional) in etch/i386: fast remote file copy program (like rcp). Version: 2.6.9-2etch2; Size: 255.3k; Installed: 500k |
| 05:34.37 | stew | mmcji: debian has one? ^^ |
| 05:35.21 | mmcji | where can I find the etch rsync package? |
| 05:35.39 | stew | mmcji: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 05:36.41 | mmcji | the server does not have net access. it is in a secure env. I have to have the package and sftp it in through our vpn and install in manually via dpkg |
| 05:36.49 | mmcji | i can not do a apt-get install |
| 05:36.49 | dennister | ok, xorg all working now; not sure how i did it, but I did it, heheheh |
| 05:37.23 | mmcji | which is why i was asking where I could find the package. sorry I was not very clear. |
| 05:37.24 | stew | mmcji: you can get it from archive.debian.org |
| 05:37.40 | stew | mmcji: (which is what it tells you to put into your sources.list) |
| 05:37.43 | mmcji | i have been to there and can not find it. i did ont see any etch packages |
| 05:38.11 | stew | its there |
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| 05:38.26 | stew | rsync has been in debian forever |
| 05:38.54 | mmcji | stew: I have looked. Please provide url if you are 100% certain. thank you. I know rsync is in debian. it was not install in this etch server so i need to install it. |
| 05:39.35 | stew | mmcji: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rsync/ |
| 05:40.00 | mmcji | stew: Thank you!!!! woot |
| 05:40.40 | trebuchet | What is a small image viewer(as in it doesn't have a lot of dependencies, maybe not even GTK+) that can render animated gifs? |
| 05:40.55 | abcr | trebuchet: can feh do it? |
| 05:41.20 | trebuchet | abcr I'll look into that |
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| 05:43.10 | abcr | does debian have live distros like ubuntu? |
| 05:44.29 | trebuchet | abcr: That works well, but like so many other it does not do animated gifs(at first try). |
| 05:44.30 | trebuchet | :( |
| 05:44.50 | abcr | maybe if you compile it with animate image support? |
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| 05:45.04 | abcr | use the command 'display' by imagemagick |
| 05:45.11 | trebuchet | seems to use imlib2 exclusively, wonder |
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| 05:45.13 | abcr | imagemagick is big, but its very common |
| 05:45.16 | trebuchet | Okay. |
| 05:45.18 | sobczyk | are there any good web interfaces to manage servers? |
| 05:45.22 | abcr | maybe display can do it |
| 05:45.52 | sobczyk | mainly manage samba, cups, and running services |
| 05:46.26 | hotwings | i have a debian-based fileserver running samba.. if im watching something off the fileserver, and copy something to the fileserver (via ftp), the media playback stutters.. is there a way to give samba the highest priority and ftp the lowest, or some other way to eliminate this problem? aside of course just waiting til the media playback is over |
| 05:49.26 | sobczyk | is webmin good? |
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| 05:51.33 | peterrooney | hotwings: ionice |
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| 05:55.25 | hotwings | thanks, looks like that might work |
| 05:55.29 | SpaceAviator | ##worlddomination |
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| 06:10.05 | brokendatapoint | hi all, on Squeeze, are we still using the Christian Marrillat repository for Multimedia codecs for DVD fun-ness? |
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| 06:13.01 | brokendatapoint | am i here? ... is too quiet to be in Debian |
| 06:13.12 | sekon | makes noise |
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| 06:13.49 | peterrooney | rustles the ferns he's hiding behind |
| 06:14.15 | brokendatapoint | haha fair point |
| 06:14.25 | hotwings | lol |
| 06:14.36 | hotwings | get out from behind those ferns peterrooney |
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| 06:16.37 | peterrooney | but, but, but... all the herbivores come to me when I wait here! |
| 06:18.10 | hotwings | fine, you can hide there i guess |
| 06:20.27 | brokendatapoint | what's a her bee vor? is that something that eats Volkswagens? |
| 06:21.23 | brokendatapoint | anyone using proper Firefox 4 on Squeeze? |
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| 07:28.00 | Lantizia | Hey as apache reads it's config line by line - is there some command I put in to make it read no further? |
| 07:28.26 | Lantizia | e.g. if I've used <IfDefine blah> for a particular set up and want to to stop reading any other settings that come after |
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| 07:50.33 | Brian2898 | what are the advantages of using kfreebsd vs linux |
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| 07:51.27 | muhammadnk | Brian2898: What do you mean by "advantages"? it's vague since you may mean "licensing advantages" or "performance advantages" |
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| 07:51.39 | Brian2898 | performance |
| 07:53.10 | muhammadnk | Brian2898: then kfreebsd is what you're looking at (at the kernel level, network stack, etc) |
| 07:53.28 | brokendatapoint | says TF for screen |
| 07:53.58 | muhammadnk | Brian2898: but i am not sure if the latest kfreebsd is based on the latest freebsd kernel sources, so i cannot vouch for kfreebsd. Official FreeBSD is definitely robust and very high performance from my experience. |
| 07:54.54 | muhammadnk | Brian2898: kfreebsd is mostly; the official freebsd kernel, using GNU utilities and apt-get package management. |
| 07:55.03 | brokendatapoint | just upgraded to Squeeze on AMD64, reboot cos had to, no X, did "startx", got a blank grey screen but i can right click and access defualt Debian menu but have no KDE. No, I did not whack in Fluxbox etc, what is the likely issue? |
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| 07:56.00 | muhammadnk | Brian2898: Official FreeBSD is not completely GNU utilities (such as "cat" util), and are BSD licensed. They don't have apt-get and uses "ports" instead. |
| 07:56.58 | Brian2898 | why would anyone use linux/debian when bsd/debian is faster |
| 07:57.32 | brokendatapoint | Brian2898: why would anyone use Windows when BSD/*Nix is more secure and efficient? |
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| 08:00.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello all! anybody can say me, i connect to myserver from VNC , after 5-7 minutes numeric pad on my keybord stp working. I disconnect VNC go to server and test it numeric pad whith it kebord - IT IS NOT working O_o |
| 08:00.31 | ^DEMOSS^ | num lock = on\off led, but num dont working |
| 08:00.59 | ^DEMOSS^ | but after reboot server in LOGIN ( gnome ) it is working. After login - stop working |
| 08:01.12 | ^DEMOSS^ | WTF ? |
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| 08:03.58 | brokendatapoint | ah dammit, KDE went to 4.0 on the upgrade to Squeeze? |
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| 08:20.50 | fragfutter | the debian squeeze installer (booted with pxe, netboot.tar.gz) won't detect any harddrives (pata). any hints? |
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| 08:22.08 | brokendatapoint | seems there is a bug for upgrade to KDE 4.0 with Squeeze on AMD64 ... sigh |
| 08:22.18 | fragfutter | same as bug 519194 |
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| 08:23.10 | brokendatapoint | i was going to reboot with Squeeze, install fluxbox and presto! |
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| 08:24.39 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello all! anybody can say me, i connect to myserver from VNC , after 5-7 minutes numeric pad on my keybord stp working. I disconnect VNC go to server and test it numeric pad whith it kebord - IT IS NOT working O_o |
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| 08:24.52 | ^DEMOSS^ | num lock = on\off led, but num dont working |
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| 08:24.57 | ^DEMOSS^ | but after reboot server in LOGIN ( gnome ) it is working. After login - stop working |
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| 08:26.00 | brokendatapoint | well, KDE is dead but i seem to be running Openbox, is this a default Debian WM? |
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| 09:09.00 | krion | hi |
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| 09:32.27 | niklaswe | morning |
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| 09:33.07 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello all! anybody can say me, i connect to myserver from VNC , after 5-7 minutes numeric pad on my keybord stp working. I disconnect VNC go to server and test it numeric pad whith it kebord - IT IS NOT working O_o |
| 09:33.15 | ^DEMOSS^ | num lock = on\off led, but num dont working |
| 09:33.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | but after reboot server in LOGIN ( gnome ) it is working. After login - stop working |
| 09:34.08 | jeff_hann | ^DEMOSS^, this is unrelated, but why do you need vnc to connect to a server? |
| 09:34.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can reinstall keybord ? |
| 09:34.37 | ^DEMOSS^ | i wanna that num start working |
| 09:35.59 | ^DEMOSS^ | i connecting, because wanna close Xchat and mp3 player |
| 09:36.28 | jeff_hann | killall |
| 09:37.02 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can start normal work my keybord ? |
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| 09:47.48 | nsadmin | why is xchat and mp3 player running on your server? |
| 09:47.53 | ^DEMOSS^ | you are all noobs )) i find problem - automaticaly started control cursour with keybord |
| 09:48.00 | jeff_hann | yeah, that too |
| 09:48.15 | jeff_hann | we're noobs, of course we are |
| 09:48.20 | ^DEMOSS^ | it is test server on desctop |
| 09:48.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | and my working place |
| 09:48.31 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^: does this mean you'll be asking less (or no) questions here? |
| 09:48.44 | as001 | Hi is it possible that tcpwrapped block ssh access on my server despite i have nothing in hosts.allow and hosts.deny files ? nmap scan says tcpwrapped for port where my ssh runs |
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| 09:49.21 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^: and you're running xchat and mp3 on them why? |
| 09:49.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | i test's some configuration, see internet , forum's chats, and other, if things work good - i transfer it on real server |
| 09:50.04 | ^DEMOSS^ | BECAUSE it is my desctop and TEST server, |
| 09:50.05 | nsadmin | so you write test code to make sure of that? |
| 09:50.19 | ^DEMOSS^ | desktop |
| 09:50.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | it ismy working place - i like working with music. lol |
| 09:51.05 | ^DEMOSS^ | i tested MariaDB - it good working on debian |
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| 09:51.30 | nsadmin | ok... I suppose the xchat test to see if you're connected to the internet is as good as any |
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| 09:52.19 | nsadmin | except for testing load, which should probably be done on the actual hardware in the actual position it occupies in production |
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| 09:52.50 | ^DEMOSS^ | Michael Widenius very good man ) |
| 09:53.21 | nsadmin | but anyway, good luck with that. glad it worked out. |
| 09:53.25 | nsadmin | !next |
| 09:53.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:55.01 | as001 | Has anyone of you similar problem like ssh dies suddenly in Debian lenny ? |
| 09:55.25 | nsadmin | http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 10:08.25 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 10:08.26 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 10:39.07 | nick108 | morning |
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| 10:40.04 | nick108 | I'm trying to diff two directories recursively, but only those files that exist in both directories |
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| 10:40.27 | nick108 | i.e. I want to avoid the "Only in ...." output |
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| 10:41.50 | joltcan | nick108: I really have no idea, but my colleagues are using "meld" for doing diffs in a easier way |
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| 10:49.44 | thewanderer1 | I've logged onto SSH which uses pam_krb5 and I got a ticket. now my krb5i NFSv4 share is accessible as the user as which I've logged on. however, when I log out, and later log on as root and `su - user`, I can still access the share with the user's rights. |
| 10:49.55 | thewanderer1 | where is the ticket or the permission cached? |
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| 10:51.33 | thewanderer1 | cause I'd like to log out and have the permission forgotten so that nobody else on that machine can impersonate my user |
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| 10:53.25 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: kdestroy |
| 10:54.23 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: I've called that, and it changes nothing |
| 10:54.24 | simonrvn | the tickets are usually found in /tmp-krb5cc_$(id -u) |
| 10:54.35 | simonrvn | er, /tmp/ |
| 10:55.09 | thewanderer1 | after kdestroy I can still make files etc. |
| 10:55.32 | simonrvn | after kdestroy you should log out |
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| 10:55.45 | thewanderer1 | ok, now I did |
| 10:56.16 | thewanderer1 | now I log on via SSH as root, `su - thewanderer` and I still have access |
| 10:56.40 | thewanderer1 | klist shows no ticket cache at all |
| 10:56.45 | simonrvn | are there any tickets in /tmp at all? |
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| 10:57.01 | thewanderer1 | now none |
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| 10:57.11 | simonrvn | there might be some machine or other tickets |
| 10:57.14 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:57.29 | thewanderer1 | this is what I was wondering... |
| 10:57.38 | simonrvn | what sort of krb install do you have mit, heimdal? |
| 10:57.48 | thewanderer1 | MIT krb5 |
| 10:57.58 | simonrvn | oh there's that other one, shishi or whatever |
| 10:58.29 | thewanderer1 | I'm concerned because someone might just rip out my hard drive, copy the key to their computer, and log on as thewanderer to my share without the user's ticket... |
| 10:58.39 | thewanderer1 | or can they? this is what I'm trying to find out |
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| 10:59.01 | simonrvn | i wouldn't know. seems as if it's being cached somehow. |
| 10:59.49 | thewanderer1 | let's reboot and see |
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| 11:03.47 | thewanderer1 | `su - thewanderer` - he can't access $HOME at all, not even the mountpoint itself, while root can |
| 11:04.36 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 11:04.54 | thewanderer1 | I do `kinit`, I cd freely to my home and make a mess there |
| 11:05.22 | thewanderer1 | I do `kdestroy`, I still am able to break stuff |
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| 11:06.17 | thewanderer1 | /tmp/ contains 1 ticket cache - the machine ticket cache |
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| 11:07.21 | Backie_ | Hey I am having issues getting my dual screen set up working. My xorg.conf http://pastie.org/1436846 and last 100 lines of Xorg.log http://pastie.org/1436851 anyone got any idea what I am doing wrong? |
| 11:07.26 | simonrvn | is puzzled |
| 11:08.02 | thewanderer1 | when I delete the machine ticket cache, nothing changes :D |
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| 11:08.51 | Big_Brother | Is it a smart idea to use Squeeze on an older system (AMD Duron 950MHz, 320MB RAM) or should i just use lenny? |
| 11:09.12 | simonrvn | won't matter |
| 11:09.20 | daemonkeeper | No reason not to use Squeeze. You won't be able to run full bloated desktop environments |
| 11:09.24 | daemonkeeper | (Neither on Lenny perhaps) |
| 11:09.26 | thewanderer1 | Big_Brother: many programs are faster but require slightly more disk space and some need more RAM. still, I ran Squeeze on worse hardware so it should work as good as lenny |
| 11:09.32 | simonrvn | uses sid on an amd thunderbird |
| 11:10.07 | simonrvn | the ram might be an issue, but should be ok |
| 11:10.16 | Big_Brother | I mainly ask because during a netinst, it can't figure out how to setup the network so i'm stuck with the bare minimum. |
| 11:10.18 | cahoot | Backie_: tried bypassing xorg.conf totally and fall back to xrandr ? |
| 11:10.37 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, what network setup do you have? |
| 11:10.50 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, on the machine or overall? |
| 11:10.57 | jeff_hann | both :) |
| 11:11.00 | Backie_ | cahoot, not really just been reading up on xrandr can't really figure out how to do anything in it (like 30 mins of reading on it so far so not much) |
| 11:11.54 | cahoot | Backie_: xrandr -q should liste the displays you can choose |
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| 11:12.00 | doublehp_ | !help |
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| 11:12.42 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann: on the machine: 10mbit(?) on-board(no LEDs), PCI 10/100mbit adapter(LEDs which blink). unmanaged gigabit switch (10/100/1000). machine -> switch: Cat5e. |
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| 11:13.02 | Backie_ | cahoot, yea it says I have 1 screen and the other three ports aren't connected but I know that there is another cable connected to one of the ports and is powered up. |
| 11:13.21 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, DHCP, fixed IP? DSL/router? |
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| 11:14.11 | Big_Brother | Probably no DHCP... (the switch is unmanaged). it's a WiMAX router. |
| 11:14.15 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann ^ |
| 11:14.44 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, so... router -> switch -> machine |
| 11:14.47 | jeff_hann | right? |
| 11:14.52 | Big_Brother | Yeah. |
| 11:15.12 | jeff_hann | ok, now what IP settings are there on the router? |
| 11:15.19 | cahoot | Backie_: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, but it seems you have a more fundamental problem with hw recognition |
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| 11:15.24 | jeff_hann | is it giving dhcp addresses ? |
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| 11:16.56 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, from what i gathered during my offline time... it uses minihttpd but it doesn't seem to do much else |
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| 11:17.39 | doublehp_ | what should i install to be able to compile a gkrellm module ? I have errors about glibc.h and gtk.h |
| 11:17.45 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, I gather you can access its interface from a browser, which is common |
| 11:18.01 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, yeah... but it's locked in fairly tightly. >:( |
| 11:18.04 | jeff_hann | right? |
| 11:18.18 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, "locked in" ? |
| 11:18.20 | Big_Brother | Uses a dev-based password. |
| 11:18.31 | jeff_hann | well, try to ping it |
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| 11:18.40 | Big_Brother | I.e., i can't access it. |
| 11:18.41 | simonrvn | doublehp_: apt-cache search glib gtk dev |
| 11:18.46 | jeff_hann | is it a 192.168.x.y - type of address? |
| 11:18.53 | Big_Brother | Yeah. |
| 11:18.56 | thewanderer1 | what good is a router that you can't access? :P |
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| 11:19.32 | thewanderer1 | wait, a WiMAX router, meaning... the WAN side or the LAN side is WiMAX? |
| 11:19.47 | Big_Brother | Thewanderer1, it's an ISP router- i can't use my own since there isn't any WiMAX routers out there that conform to the ISP's standards. |
| 11:20.05 | thewanderer1 | it should at least give out DHCP addresses |
| 11:20.17 | doublehp_ | simonrvn: nothing about gtk |
| 11:20.24 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, try ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:20.29 | Big_Brother | Thewanderer1, it's recieves the WiMAX signal and it networks through ethernet. |
| 11:20.31 | jeff_hann | or 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:21.05 | thewanderer1 | Big_Brother: yes, but if it's a router, it connects 2 networks so it could as well provide DHCP. unless it's just a modem |
| 11:21.30 | thewanderer1 | anyway, an nmap scan should reveal its address |
| 11:21.37 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, what were you looking for in the ping ? |
| 11:21.48 | jeff_hann | a response :P |
| 11:21.52 | thewanderer1 | it would be really useful to have some documentation provided from the ISP |
| 11:21.56 | Big_Brother | 0% loss. |
| 11:22.02 | jeff_hann | 0.1 ? |
| 11:22.06 | Big_Brother | Thewanderer1, oh wouldn't it? |
| 11:22.17 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, 0 percent loss. |
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| 11:22.27 | jeff_hann | from 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 11:22.33 | Big_Brother | Oh |
| 11:22.34 | Big_Brother | Er |
| 11:22.35 | Big_Brother | No |
| 11:22.36 | Big_Brother | Http://192.168.15.1/ |
| 11:22.43 | jeff_hann | ok |
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| 11:23.01 | jeff_hann | now try setting your computer's address as DHCP |
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| 11:23.46 | Big_Brother | stares at jeff_hann blankly. |
| 11:23.56 | jeff_hann | and in resolv.conf use 192.168.15.1 |
| 11:24.00 | jeff_hann | ok |
| 11:24.13 | jeff_hann | open as root /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:24.18 | Big_Brother | Ohhh |
| 11:24.25 | Big_Brother | On the OTHER computer. |
| 11:24.35 | jeff_hann | well, obviously |
| 11:24.45 | jeff_hann | the one you're having problems with |
| 11:24.58 | Big_Brother | WAIT A MINUTE... |
| 11:25.08 | Big_Brother | Use http://192.168.15.1/ when i install? |
| 11:25.13 | jeff_hann | no |
| 11:25.34 | jeff_hann | when you install , just select the DHCP option when asked about networking |
| 11:25.39 | jeff_hann | that is all |
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| 11:25.48 | jeff_hann | the installer will do the rest |
| 11:25.55 | Big_Brother | It does that automagically. |
| 11:26.03 | jeff_hann | yes |
| 11:26.04 | Big_Brother | ...and it failed. |
| 11:26.10 | Big_Brother | That's why i'm here. |
| 11:26.11 | jeff_hann | ok |
| 11:26.25 | jeff_hann | maybe the router is handing out fixed IP addresses |
| 11:26.38 | jeff_hann | so choose "no" when asked about dhcp |
| 11:27.10 | Big_Brother | chinless stare. |
| 11:27.15 | jeff_hann | you will be asked to enter addresses manually |
| 11:27.16 | Big_Brother | I'll be right back then... |
| 11:27.29 | jeff_hann | well, wait |
| 11:27.35 | jeff_hann | write this down |
| 11:27.44 | jeff_hann | to enter when asked |
| 11:27.57 | jeff_hann | ip : 192.168.15.101 |
| 11:28.08 | jeff_hann | netmask : 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:28.20 | jeff_hann | gateway : 192.168.15.1 |
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| 11:28.34 | jeff_hann | dns : 192.168.15.1 |
| 11:30.17 | thewanderer1 | let's hope the "router" has a DNS resolver :P |
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| 11:30.50 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, if not , he should call his ISP |
| 11:31.11 | thewanderer1 | or just type in OpenDNS addresses :P |
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| 11:31.22 | jeff_hann | yeah, 8.8.8.8 or smth |
| 11:31.28 | jeff_hann | we'll see |
| 11:31.32 | thewanderer1 | not Google :P |
| 11:31.54 | jeff_hann | at least he'll have it working, hopefully |
| 11:32.05 | jeff_hann | then he can change his DNS |
| 11:33.43 | Big_Brother | Well, thus far, it's accepted the info. |
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| 11:34.09 | Big_Brother | I'll be back in about 20min to tell how if it took. |
| 11:34.11 | jeff_hann | good |
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| 11:42.25 | musictoto | hi all! is it true that in Debian Squeeze, the kernel will be without proprietary binary blobs? |
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| 11:43.47 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, i don't think it worked. |
| 11:44.24 | kwork | musictoto, http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 |
| 11:44.30 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, why is that? |
| 11:44.33 | Big_Brother | I got to the 'choose mirror host' and it [seeminhly] tells me all the hosts are bad. |
| 11:44.40 | Big_Brother | [semmingly]* |
| 11:44.43 | jeff_hann | seemingly? |
| 11:44.45 | Big_Brother | headdesks |
| 11:44.48 | Big_Brother | Yeah. |
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| 11:45.11 | Big_Brother | Basically it tells me that all the hosts are bad. |
| 11:45.26 | jeff_hann | can you reproduce the exact message? |
| 11:45.43 | Big_Brother | Brb, |
| 11:45.48 | jeff_hann | ok |
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| 11:47.52 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann: "Bad Archive Mirror" is the title- the message is rather long. |
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| 11:48.54 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, I see. |
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| 11:49.20 | jeff_hann | call your ISP and ask them about what network settings to use |
| 11:49.30 | Big_Brother | Ha! |
| 11:49.45 | jeff_hann | trial-and-error like this is unacceptable |
| 11:49.46 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, they outsourced their customer service. :( |
| 11:50.01 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i just installed the netinst version and i want to know whats the login manager for LXDE so i can install it ? |
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| 11:50.15 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, so? |
| 11:50.28 | jeff_hann | what's your ISP, btw? |
| 11:50.38 | juniorsa | Hi, where would I find the latest planned release date for squeeze? |
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| 11:51.16 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, the last time i tried to call them, i was repeatedly asked "is the router plugged directly into the wall?" even though i use a UPS/BBS which is better than directly in the wall. |
| 11:51.43 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, what are you typing from right now? |
| 11:51.44 | cobra-the-joker | juniorsa , there is no planned release date |
| 11:52.10 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, a Unicomp Spacesaver. |
| 11:52.37 | jeff_hann | :)) the computer, I mean |
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| 11:52.57 | Big_Brother | A windows 7 machine. |
| 11:53.14 | Big_Brother | Same switch/network if that's what you wanna know. |
| 11:53.23 | jeff_hann | yeah, that was it |
| 11:53.29 | juniorsa | cobra-the-joker : is there an official website with number of open bugs or release info, where I can keep up? |
| 11:53.48 | jeff_hann | well, then , look up the connection's properties from windows |
| 11:53.52 | cobra-the-joker | i think yes |
| 11:54.19 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, both the PCI card and the switch tell me that they know they're connected to one another. |
| 11:55.02 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, ? |
| 11:55.36 | jeff_hann | is your ISP Clearwire, by any chance? |
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| 11:56.29 | Big_Brother | Yeah. |
| 11:57.08 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, as far as I see, it's some kind of modem |
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| 11:58.37 | tdn | !etch |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 12:00.13 | thewanderer1 | jeff_hann: modems don't usually do NAT |
| 12:01.43 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, yeah, but I looked on his ISP's page |
| 12:01.57 | jeff_hann | clearwire.com |
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| 12:02.16 | thewanderer1 | hey, how is system shutdown in LXDE/KDE/GNOME handled in Squeeze now? I see something about DBus talking to UPower, UDisks, what?! |
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| 12:02.51 | musictoto | kwork: so the answer to my question was "yes" ? |
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| 12:04.02 | _Lemon_ | Hello, I've set up a GRE tunnel and it works. I was wondering what the Debian way was to set it up automatically on reboot (I would have thought /etc/network/interfaces but I can't find anything useful) |
| 12:04.14 | abrotman | _Lemon_: is it a script? |
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| 12:04.38 | _Lemon_ | What I've got? No it's just a set of commands to bring it up, nothing special (I guess it could be a script) |
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| 12:05.17 | abrotman | _Lemon_: make it a script, use the interfaces postup stuff |
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| 12:05.36 | _Lemon_ | Sound enough, thank you! |
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| 12:11.49 | thewanderer1 | how is system shutdown handled in Squeeze? cause apparently my normal user is allowed to bring down the system by clicking a button... O.o |
| 12:12.32 | thewanderer1 | if I set up LXDE or something else with a clickable "shutdown" button and they click it, the system goes down, and I'd like to control this behaviour |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | it's been like that for ages |
| 12:12.46 | thewanderer1 | sure, but can't one control that? |
| 12:12.49 | abrotman | sure |
| 12:13.06 | thewanderer1 | for example in KDE, kdm was running as root and it called `halt` |
| 12:13.51 | thewanderer1 | and now... something called UPower? |
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| 12:15.39 | neku | hi, what is the best way to install libreadline6-dev in debian? |
| 12:16.01 | neku | I heard about backports but it seems it don't have the port |
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| 12:16.22 | jelly | neku: why do you need it? |
| 12:16.26 | abrotman | judd: versions libreadline6-dev |
| 12:16.27 | jelly | ,versions libreadline6-dev |
| 12:16.27 | judd | Package libreadline6-dev on i386 -- sid: 6.1-3; squeeze: 6.1-3 |
| 12:16.35 | abrotman | neku: in lenny you mean? |
| 12:16.36 | jelly | ... |
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| 12:16.46 | poisonbit | will debian squeeze support 100% ipv6 ? are there known gottchas ? |
| 12:16.46 | neku | lenny yeah 5.0 |
| 12:16.56 | Iridos | judd, versions libreadline6 |
| 12:16.58 | judd | Package libreadline6 on i386 -- sid: 6.1-3; squeeze: 6.1-3 |
| 12:17.24 | nsadmin | you have libreadline5 in lenny. upgrading libs could make other software fail. |
| 12:17.26 | neku | jelly: i need to install ree with rvm |
| 12:17.57 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: OpenVZ kernels don't support IPv6 conntrack, the rest somewhat supports IPv6 |
| 12:18.08 | nsadmin | you could build libreadline6 in your home dir |
| 12:18.24 | nsadmin | and ruby, and rvm, and whatever else |
| 12:18.30 | CyberDomovoy | hmmm, i have a raid5 on my NAS wich should be used with lvm, one of the disk has failed, but the raid is still usable (even if it is now more a raid0 than a raid5 due to the failed disk). For a reason i don't know, the VG/LV corresponding to the raid doesn't exists anymore, i tried "vgchange -a y vg0", wich tells me 'Unable to find volume group "vg0"'. How can i get it back, without loosing my data? |
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| 12:19.15 | stew | libreadline5 and libreadline6 can be installed at the same time, since they are different packages with different sonames |
| 12:19.21 | stew | (same for the -dev versions) |
| 12:19.28 | stew | neku: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 12:20.02 | jelly | neku: i would be strongly surprised if your software _required_ readline6 |
| 12:20.16 | nsadmin | stew: the postgres maintainer should get a clue from htat |
| 12:20.52 | thewanderer1 | if readline5 and readline6 are different packages, why is kde3.5 obsoleted by kde4? |
| 12:20.54 | neku | stew: I'm trying to do "aptitude -t lenny-backports install "libreadline6-dev" " without success, |
| 12:21.24 | stew | neku: its not in lenny backports. you'd have to backport it, but it should be simple |
| 12:21.35 | stew | thewanderer1: how are readline and kde related? |
| 12:21.43 | thewanderer1 | libreadline5-dev conflicts with libreadline6-dev, by the way |
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| 12:22.20 | thewanderer1 | stew: was just trying to see logic in the decision to drop kde3.5, and yes, it was a fork on my part :P |
| 12:22.51 | abrotman | they conflict? |
| 12:22.51 | thewanderer1 | one can install libreadline6-dev from Squeeze repo... |
| 12:23.12 | thewanderer1 | so says `apt-cache show libreadline6-dev` |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | do the actual libraries conflict? |
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| 12:23.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm nope |
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| 12:23.54 | jelly | libs don't, -dev packages do |
| 12:23.58 | nsadmin | but that would pull more than he wants and then he's upgrading. IMO, either he builds what he wants in his home dir, or upgrades his whole thing to squeeze |
| 12:24.18 | jelly | or tries to build his thingy against system readline |
| 12:24.19 | stew | nsadmin: what would it pull that he doesn't want? |
| 12:24.26 | nsadmin | (and therefore suffers whatever unexpected changes await him as a result of upgrading) |
| 12:24.29 | thewanderer1 | actually, I was thinking along the lines of "download from packages.debian.org and dpkg --install it"... |
| 12:24.29 | neku | nsadmin: it is a production server |
| 12:24.34 | neku | I can't upgrade |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | neku: what are you actually trying to compile/build ? |
| 12:25.00 | nsadmin | then build it in your home dir. debian is then not involved in any way whatsoever. |
| 12:25.11 | neku | abrotman: ruby enterprise with rvm |
| 12:25.19 | abrotman | runs away |
| 12:25.20 | nsadmin | neku: you don't have a staging server? |
| 12:25.35 | nsadmin | you need to test this \ |
| 12:26.06 | nsadmin | if you don't and you pull this on your production box, you'll very likely generate consequences you didn't expect |
| 12:26.27 | stew | nsadmin: what possible consequences? |
| 12:26.42 | nsadmin | screwing up his production server. |
| 12:26.42 | neku | nsadmin: we are a startup and actually we have our laptos and this production server |
| 12:26.43 | neku | :F |
| 12:26.57 | stew | nsadmin: how might that happen? |
| 12:26.57 | nsadmin | get another box. |
| 12:26.59 | nsadmin | test it |
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| 12:27.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody know any pkg for debian, whose can help me UP router on my system and graphic \ visual control , have control panel... |
| 12:27.23 | nsadmin | see what happens when you make the moves you're proposing. |
| 12:27.26 | thewanderer1 | at least set up a virtual machine |
| 12:27.27 | abrotman | or a chroot? or vm ? |
| 12:27.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | as an mandriva |
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| 12:27.43 | abrotman | what did you use on mandriva? |
| 12:28.20 | nsadmin | if you don't test it, chances are really good unexpected things will happen |
| 12:28.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | ÑÑÑвкÑÐ¼Ñ ÑÑеÑкзкÑÑÑ ÑÑкмÑк |
| 12:28.31 | ^DEMOSS^ | mandriva enterprise server |
| 12:28.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | last version |
| 12:28.40 | abrotman | i meant, what application |
| 12:28.51 | ^DEMOSS^ | native app's |
| 12:29.09 | nsadmin | if you're not specific, he can't and shouldn't help you |
| 12:29.40 | stew | ^DEMOSS^: is there a url for "native app"? |
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| 12:30.21 | ^DEMOSS^ | ok, one minute |
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| 12:30.44 | ^DEMOSS^ | **starting installing web brouser |
| 12:31.02 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... cant seem to find b43-fwcutter package ... am i missing something ? |
| 12:31.35 | thewanderer1 | lol, I've hit a funny bug on a fresh Squeeze LXDE amd64 |
| 12:31.59 | thewanderer1 | 100% CPU usage, bottom panel is flashing as if it was restarting all the time |
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| 12:32.45 | thewanderer1 | will try to repeat that later... |
| 12:32.59 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker: b43-fwcutter is in contrib |
| 12:33.06 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: in which version of Debian ? do you have contrib? |
| 12:33.25 | cobra-the-joker | its lenny 5.0.7 ... i dont know whats contrib |
| 12:33.54 | thewanderer1 | hey, can anyone with Squeeze and LXDE confirm what I'm just seeing? |
| 12:34.38 | abrotman | i don't have it here, but i have it on my netbook, used it over the holiday, worked fine |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | !tell cobra-the-joker about contrib |
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| 12:35.09 | thewanderer1 | Right click on desktop -> new -> File |
| 12:35.46 | thewanderer1 | and the file name input window starts to flash, then moves with constant velocity with a down-right direction, then the panel starts to flash as well |
| 12:35.53 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, it's an oldish bug, actually |
| 12:36.12 | jeff_hann | I've encountered it myself |
| 12:36.13 | thewanderer1 | in what exactly? |
| 12:36.19 | abrotman | in pcman ? |
| 12:36.20 | jeff_hann | LXDE panel |
| 12:36.25 | thewanderer1 | hm... |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | Yeah, I don't create a lot of files using the clicky method :) |
| 12:36.40 | jeff_hann | AFAIK, it's reported |
| 12:37.09 | thewanderer1 | I don't see it on lxpanel bug page |
| 12:37.26 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, upstream or Debian's bug page? |
| 12:37.27 | abrotman | wonders the chance that squeeze comes out exactly two years after lenny ... |
| 12:37.37 | thewanderer1 | jeff_hann: Debian |
| 12:37.53 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, check upstream |
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| 12:39.08 | CyberDomovoy | is "cp -a" enough to make a "mirror" of a folder? |
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| 12:39.27 | thewanderer1 | can't seem to find the bug page... |
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| 12:39.52 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: yes, provided that it doesn't contain extended metadata... I'm not sure if it copies ACL or SELinux labels |
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| 12:40.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | http://polishlinux.org/reviews/mandriva_2007_odin/gnome_mandriva_control_center.png yeah |
| 12:40.49 | ^DEMOSS^ | stew like this |
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| 12:41.46 | ^DEMOSS^ | local application + web panel |
| 12:41.50 | abrotman | in KDE ? |
| 12:42.45 | thewanderer1 | ^DEMOSS^: OpenSUSE has YaST + web YaST for remote management. Debian is not so GUI-centric ^.- |
| 12:42.46 | ^DEMOSS^ | no? i wanna setup on my debian any pkg ROUTER or network configuration and administration system |
| 12:42.59 | ^DEMOSS^ | like as mandriva enterprise server 5 |
| 12:43.53 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> actually i just want to make a backup of what is on my NAS before another disk fails, i don't really care about permission, my NAS have the nfs share configured with all_squash anyway. So i guess "cp -a" will do what i want |
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| 12:44.40 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: yeah, I use that for backups too |
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| 12:45.20 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> thanks |
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| 12:48.04 | dyek | Hi! When building Linux kernel from the source package, if I used "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot", the linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64*.deb package appears exactly the same as the distribution version. However, if I used "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd", the package doesn't boot the same -- the video driver appears different. I'm hoping to make the make-kpkg command builds exactly like how dpkg-buildpackage builds the kernel. I have been lo |
| 12:48.05 | dyek | oking at the rules file, but it is not entirely straightforward. Anybody has prior experience on how to use make-kpkg to build the kernel package exactly like how dpkg-buildpackage does it? |
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| 12:49.07 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Release_Management |
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| 12:52.29 | CyberDomovoy | my system is on an ide disk for now, but i just got 4 sata disks and created a raid10 on them to hold my system, what i want is get my current system on it instead of reinstalling a new one, how coud i do it "the right way"? |
| 12:54.45 | jeff_hann | CyberDomovoy, reinstall :) |
| 12:55.14 | CyberDomovoy | jeff_hann> that's just what i don't want... |
| 12:55.29 | thewanderer1 | jeff_hann: any direct link? my search-fu is weak today |
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| 12:56.22 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, read the page |
| 12:56.38 | jeff_hann | CyberDomovoy, you asked for the right way |
| 12:56.39 | robokop | CyberDomovoy: rsync the system |
| 12:57.15 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: you should probably just install from scratch and copy configs, it's easier than copying everything and setting up GRUB - actually, manual GRUB setup is hard |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | it is? |
| 12:57.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | yeah |
| 12:57.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | i find it |
| 12:57.32 | ^DEMOSS^ | http://mds.mandriva.org/wiki/ScreenshotsMDS2.4.0 |
| 12:57.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | it is MDS server |
| 12:57.45 | thewanderer1 | at least GRUB setup on LVM on RAID in another RAID... |
| 12:57.52 | ^DEMOSS^ | that's i mean for debian |
| 12:58.21 | ^DEMOSS^ | grub can be installed on usb micro stick |
| 12:58.35 | ^DEMOSS^ | and insert in tower |
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| 13:04.57 | thewanderer1 | aww, I can't run *any* windows in LXDE now |
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| 13:05.36 | thewanderer1 | the window manager just runs away and the window starts drifting... |
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| 13:08.26 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, report a bug in Debian and reportbug will tell you if it's been reported before |
| 13:10.08 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> i guess you're right... any way to get back my current raid+lvm configuration during install? or will i have to recreate it? if so, i should stop my backup now and make the install first |
| 13:10.38 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: you can keep the current disk settings or re-create them |
| 13:10.56 | thewanderer1 | but if you format partitions, data will be lost :P |
| 13:11.51 | thewanderer1 | jeff_hann: I don't know against which package I should file that, actually... and it only happens with graphical (vga) display, not over SSH+X11 |
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| 13:12.10 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, odd |
| 13:12.19 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it thinks 9MB VRAM is not enough? O.o |
| 13:12.39 | jeff_hann | no, I ran it on a 8500GT |
| 13:12.59 | thewanderer1 | and 8500GT had less than 9MB VRAM? |
| 13:13.12 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> i guess i have to vgcfgbackup somewhere first, right? same for the raid configuration? or will it be detected from the disks themself? (i don't know much about lvm and raid yet) |
| 13:13.32 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, no :)) that's what I meant |
| 13:13.34 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: if you don't choose to wipe disk config, it will not be wiped |
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| 13:14.05 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, there is a lxde metapackage in Debian, use that to report your bug |
| 13:14.07 | thewanderer1 | the disks themselves should contain metadata regarding RAID and LVM |
| 13:14.24 | thewanderer1 | okay, will do when I get at it, but it might be hardly reproducible, if at all |
| 13:14.43 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, it happened to me |
| 13:14.44 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> ok, so no need to backup any of it then. I'll do it anyway, just in case :) |
| 13:15.00 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, what flavour of Debian? |
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| 13:15.36 | UukGoblin | hi |
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| 13:16.08 | UukGoblin | why does the syslog-ng package's default logrotate script only call syslog-ng reload with /var/log/syslog and not any other files (like /var/log/messages)? |
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| 13:22.47 | lauris | when Squeeze is expected to be released? |
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| 13:23.44 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, pretty much... i'm stuck? |
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| 13:24.29 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, as far as I can see, your best bet is contacting the ISP |
| 13:24.35 | rudi_s | !tell lauris about siyh |
| 13:24.39 | djura-san | hi |
| 13:24.45 | jeff_hann | or browsing their webpage carefully |
| 13:24.53 | Big_Brother | Ha! |
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| 13:26.45 | abrotman | lauris: /topic |
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| 13:27.24 | lauris | abrotman, i don't see any dates there |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | because there isn't one |
| 13:27.47 | lauris | and that is what i'm asking about |
| 13:27.50 | abrotman | Debian doesn't operate on dates for releases .. that's the way it should be |
| 13:28.03 | abrotman | lauris: it is expected to be released when goals have been met and RC bugs are 0 |
| 13:28.19 | UukGoblin | (is that the right place to ask my syslog-ng logrotation question?) |
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| 13:29.04 | Bushmills | lauris: before may 2015, is generally expected |
| 13:29.55 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann... you'll never guess what i found~ |
| 13:29.56 | lauris | very precisely :) |
| 13:30.03 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, ? |
| 13:30.15 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, found the password to the WiMAX device. :3 |
| 13:30.17 | abrotman | lauris: I believe there are roughly 50 or 60 RC bugs left to deal with, 30 or so need actual code fixes |
| 13:30.23 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, :) |
| 13:30.34 | lauris | abrotman, so it's quite close to release |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | as the topic says, it is frozen |
| 13:31.05 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 13:31.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 13:31.18 | Big_Brother | Jeff_hann, maybe now i can use this info to configure my computer? |
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| 13:32.16 | jeff_hann | Big_Brother, of course |
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| 13:35.20 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , cant seem to find wicd .. it differs to use some other mirror either than ftp.debian ? |
| 13:35.43 | cobra-the-joker | enabled contrib nonfree and multimedia |
| 13:35.56 | thewanderer1 | jeff_hann: sorry, I was afk. I have Squeeze amd64 here with LXDE, installed with Squeeze Beta 2 DVD 1 + net sources |
| 13:35.59 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: wicd? in which version of Debian ? |
| 13:36.16 | cobra-the-joker | lenny 5.0.7 |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: not in lenny, you'd have to use backports.org .. but wifi-radar is available |
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| 13:37.20 | abrotman | (obviously network-manager also) |
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| 13:37.53 | SurfCat | where's doogie |
| 13:37.54 | cobra-the-joker | lol..ok |
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| 13:38.11 | SurfCat | he still lurking around here? |
| 13:38.16 | cobra-the-joker | LXDE here .. cant use network-manager |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | SurfCat: maybe on OFTC |
| 13:38.39 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: wifi-radar it is! |
| 13:38.43 | SurfCat | ahh, gnice, thx |
| 13:38.47 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 13:42.00 | CyberDomovoy | lol, the raid on my computer is faster than the one on my nas, shame on you WD! |
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| 13:42.56 | thewanderer1 | what did you expect from a poor CPU+RAM combo? :P |
| 13:44.30 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to run a display manager inside Xephyr? |
| 13:44.38 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> well, i don't expect anything good from that nas anymore, two failure in less than a year, not "really" hackable... i wish i could get a refund |
| 13:45.08 | thewanderer1 | or am I only dreaming of embedding kdm in Xephyr? |
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| 13:50.25 | thewanderer1 | hm. the mentioned bug in LXDE does not occur over XDMCP, jeff_hann |
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| 13:50.43 | thewanderer1 | so it looks like it's more of an X/driver issue than LXDE itself |
| 13:50.46 | jeff_hann | thewanderer1, report that too |
| 13:51.00 | jeff_hann | more likely a bad interaction between lxde and X |
| 13:51.27 | MrOpposite | Hmm if I maxed out some resource on my system, and the only way I can connect to it is trough SSH, am I in trouble? |
| 13:51.39 | MrOpposite | [mropposite@oppolap /mnt/root]$ ssh opposite.biz |
| 13:51.39 | MrOpposite | mropposite@opposite.biz's password: |
| 13:51.40 | MrOpposite | Received disconnect from 83.226.167.132: 2: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 13:52.48 | thewanderer1 | MrOpposite: yeah. do you have overcommit_memory turned off? |
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| 13:53.01 | thewanderer1 | normally, the OOM killer should handle this situation |
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| 13:54.03 | thewanderer1 | hm, so I have a lovely LXDE remote desktop accessed via XDMCP. now how do I transmit sound to thin clients? |
| 13:54.10 | MrOpposite | no idea |
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| 13:54.45 | thewanderer1 | MrOpposite: try logon as root if possible |
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| 13:55.35 | MrOpposite | [mropposite@oppolap /mnt]$ ssh root@opposite.biz |
| 13:55.36 | MrOpposite | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 13:55.39 | thewanderer1 | this is looking strange, are you in OpenVZ or anything? |
| 13:55.55 | MrOpposite | OpenVZ? |
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| 13:57.17 | thewanderer1 | yes, a VPS container technology |
| 13:57.31 | thewanderer1 | which by the way does strange things to memory accounting... |
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| 13:57.46 | MrOpposite | Don't think so |
| 13:57.54 | MrOpposite | It is an embedded system tho |
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| 13:58.36 | MrOpposite | Running Sarge, if that's any help |
| 13:58.45 | abrotman | MrOpposite: try using -v .. and usually google can help with those |
| 13:58.47 | Gabi | hey ppl, i have a problem with my ssh |
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| 13:59.14 | Gabi | sshd is not running failed! |
| 13:59.31 | Gabi | however the port 22 is still opened |
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| 14:00.11 | thewanderer1 | Gabi: is the process not running? ps aux | grep ssh |
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| 14:00.42 | pielgrzym | how can I make apt create default grub config? auto generate it that is :)( |
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| 14:02.04 | Gabi | thewanderer1: the process is running |
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| 14:02.38 | thewanderer1 | Gabi: so it's really running - it should be no surprise to you that the port is open :P |
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| 14:19.15 | crs | Hi, I am trying to build custom kernel on arm using make-kpkg but it keeps on failing with message: /bin/sh: arm-linux-gnueabi-ld: not found. What am I missing? If I execute make in kernel source directory it works as expected. Any ideas? |
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| 14:26.02 | ^shark_ | my processors use IO-APIC for interrupts. what is the criteria for IO-APIC-edge or IO-APIC-level, some devices IP-APIC sees as edge others as level, i am trying to understand how this happens |
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| 14:28.02 | Big_Brother | How would i change the mirror i use during install? |
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| 14:29.01 | ^shark_ | Big_Brother: change your APT settings |
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| 14:29.18 | Big_Brother | Wheren at ? |
| 14:29.20 | Big_Brother | Wher* |
| 14:29.24 | Big_Brother | facedesks |
| 14:29.43 | ^shark_ | Big_Brother: are you doing a fresh install? |
| 14:29.48 | Big_Brother | Yeah. |
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| 14:31.01 | ^shark_ | Big_Brother: there is a section that asks you to select repository or source for your APT region, its been ages since i did a fresh install, i don't recall the name well |
| 14:31.36 | Big_Brother | Right. |
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| 14:31.52 | Big_Brother | But apparently nobody carries Squeeze information (or so my computer thinks). |
| 14:32.20 | ^shark_ | what kind of information is that |
| 14:32.20 | stew | any official mirror that has lenny should have squeeze |
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| 14:32.49 | Big_Brother | Ack |
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| 14:33.06 | Big_Brother | goes to swap out the PCI network adapter. |
| 14:34.25 | vlt | Hello. How do I set the keyboard layout in a fresh Debian system? |
| 14:34.43 | EagleScreen | vlt: Gnome or KDE? |
| 14:34.48 | vlt | EagleScreen: No X |
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| 14:35.23 | EagleScreen | vlt: try: # apt-get install console-setup; dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 14:35.34 | vlt | EagleScreen: Thanks |
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| 14:38.46 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to manage PolicyKit in Debian? |
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| 14:46.48 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:46.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
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| 15:04.00 | lord_rob | Hi ! As I had a problem with my unofficial kde 4.5 install I wanted to go back to 4.4 using aptitude. While it was downloading, I had a (clever :p) idea which fixed the problem while aptitude was still downloading. So I interrupted it (CTRL+C). But now I want Aptitude to forget what I told him to do. How can I do that ? |
| 15:06.18 | eshat | lord_rob: start it without any options and select "cancel operation) (or similar) in actions menu |
| 15:06.27 | lord_rob | ok it was stupid, pin all packages it was about to install/delete via the interface ... |
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| 15:08.58 | Iridos | this remembering stuff after you canceled a command is weird, wish it wasn't there |
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| 15:10.08 | Iridos | there are keep-all and forget-new that partially deal with this... I think in your case just do another aptitude install newer-package and it should override your previous attempt to downgrade |
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| 15:10.15 | Iridos | I didn't know it was remembering that, too |
| 15:10.30 | Iridos | !why not aptitude |
| 15:10.31 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid; for lenny->squeeze use apt-get. |
| 15:10.49 | Iridos | I guess I should add "remembers weird stuff" to that one |
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| 15:11.12 | Iridos | I dunno how intuitive this behavior is for new users or why this was introduced at all |
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| 15:11.59 | thewanderer1 | use apt-get, it has super-cow powers... |
| 15:12.10 | dvs | !moo |
| 15:12.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:12.22 | Iridos | but I've been ctrl-c-ing apt-gets for years (and it still works as it used to with apt-get) and I even usually just do "apt-get install something-from-sid" or similar to see if I can mix the package in safely or if it'll upgrade a kazillion packages and break stuff... |
| 15:12.29 | Iridos | right! |
| 15:12.34 | Iridos | another reason for !why not aptitude |
| 15:12.36 | thewanderer1 | lol |
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| 15:12.48 | Iridos | the list is so long now, we'll have to split it onto several factoids |
| 15:13.04 | Iridos | also, we could form the "club of the aptitude haters" |
| 15:13.21 | stew | Iridos: a reason to not use aptitude is that you hit ctrl-c with apt-get? |
| 15:13.21 | thewanderer1 | I thought it was called Ubuntu - they removed aptitude by default :P |
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| 15:14.02 | cahoot | aptitude can be abused - hence it's faulty? |
| 15:14.06 | Iridos | stew, no a reason is that if I do the same with aptitude it'll remember the command I didn't want to run and try to do it (or part of it) the next time |
| 15:14.38 | stew | Iridos: so? |
| 15:14.56 | Iridos | nothing so |
| 15:15.00 | stew | Iridos: wait. so you are telling aptitude to do somehting you don't want to do, and don't like the fact that it tries to do it? |
| 15:15.11 | Iridos | if I cancel a command, I want to cancel it, not be done the next time I do something unrelated |
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| 15:15.34 | Iridos | no, I ask it _not_ to do it when I hit ctrl-c and that's ignored |
| 15:15.37 | stew | Iridos: aptitude forget-new |
| 15:15.49 | stew | err |
| 15:16.17 | Iridos | forget-new keep-all |
| 15:16.44 | Iridos | still, 'do not liek' |
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| 15:21.23 | lord_rob | I almost never use aptitude resolver :-) A computer can never replace a human brain. But still a curses interface is useful to resolve a lot of dependancies conflicts (esp. when you're using Sid :) |
| 15:22.51 | Iridos | actually aptitude also failed in quite some cases doing lenny->squeeze _AND_ took much longer for calculating the dependencies where apt-get went on regardless and did the job |
| 15:22.51 | lord_rob | 174 packages to delete suggested by resolver, 1 to pin suggested by my brain |
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| 15:23.40 | lord_rob | dunno. Always been using sid |
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| 15:25.00 | lord_rob | and for difficult dependency problems, aptitude is really a great tool |
| 15:25.15 | stew | Iridos: (note that aptitude worked when apt-get often didn't for the previous three releases as well) |
| 15:28.06 | Iridos | right... but finally the super-cow powers come in play! |
| 15:28.08 | thewanderer1 | lord_rob: dselect? :P |
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| 15:29.31 | lord_rob | Hey ! Don't laugh at dselect ! I used it to install my first Debian Sid (was about Testing/Woody) |
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| 15:30.53 | lord_rob | :p |
| 15:31.08 | thewanderer1 | did it have Super Woody Powers? :) |
| 15:31.11 | Iridos | stew, also I think the lenny->squeeze problems have been dealt with ... I was just collecting reasons for "why not aptitude" and I think there are quite some reasons why one might prefer apt-get (i.e. it's also often faster resolving dependencies in the cases that it doesn't fail) |
| 15:31.32 | thewanderer1 | actually my adventure yesterday from Lenny to Squeeze using aptitude was... hard |
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| 15:31.45 | stew | that's already mentioned |
| 15:32.00 | lord_rob | thewanderer1: Debian newcomer ? |
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| 15:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That's because yours could hardly be considered a standard system. You've messed with _everything_. |
| 15:32.31 | thewanderer1 | lord_rob, jhutchins_lt: was helping a friend with his Lenny which is hardly messed :D |
| 15:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You could find a quantum discontinuity tying a shoelace. |
| 15:33.31 | Iridos | hehe |
| 15:33.39 | Iridos | sounds like a good trick, though... |
| 15:33.49 | jhutchins_lt | Stock lenny->squeeze upgrades go very smoothly in general. Especially if you follow the instructions. |
| 15:35.01 | lord_rob | <sarcasm> well, almost as well as a Windows upgrade </sarcasm> |
| 15:35.26 | Iridos | == buy a new computer |
| 15:35.27 | thewanderer1 | hey, I'm monitoring 4 VM's - 2 of them running 2.6.32-5-amd64, other two running 2.6.36.2. I can see CPU usage plotted in virt-manager, and 2.6.32-5 guests have this funny periodic ticking, while 2.6.36.2 stays level... |
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| 15:35.42 | jhutchins_lt | based on the number of times people have brought up problems with upgrades to squeeze here, it's not a problem. |
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| 15:35.56 | alsd | hi there |
| 15:36.29 | thewanderer1 | it's as if the plot of 2.6.32-5 was a mountain range and 2.6.36.2 a flat line... |
| 15:36.39 | dvs | thewanderer1: and 2.6.37? |
| 15:36.48 | thewanderer1 | haven't tested that |
| 15:37.04 | thewanderer1 | (I only ever run kernels with even minor numbers...) |
| 15:38.03 | lord_rob | it's been a while since we're using 2. |
| 15:38.07 | lord_rob | 2.6 |
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| 15:39.16 | thewanderer1 | what could be alterating the system load in a cyclic manner? |
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| 15:40.15 | stew | thewanderer1: what period? |
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| 15:41.06 | thewanderer1 | about 2-3 seconds |
| 15:41.59 | thewanderer1 | one machine runs X and LXDE, the other does not |
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| 15:42.54 | thewanderer1 | will get a random distro and see if the effect is present there |
| 15:43.13 | dvs | picks OSX |
| 15:43.44 | stew | thewanderer1: is it accompanied by disk activity? |
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| 15:44.27 | thewanderer1 | I have no methods of measuring that from outside by graphs, but judging by noises coming from the server's case, not at all |
| 15:44.51 | thewanderer1 | all disks use virtio |
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| 15:45.24 | stew | you could turn on /proc/sys/vm/block_dump temporarily |
| 15:45.39 | stew | (you certainly only want to do that temporarily) |
| 15:46.17 | michelem | hello folks |
| 15:46.28 | michelem | I'm porting some scripts from BSD to a debian system |
| 15:46.58 | michelem | some get file creation time from "stat". Do Linux filesystems support this information? |
| 15:47.46 | alsd | i'm having trouble here with a Bind DNS setup : i've defined an internal use only subdomain, which works great on linux or MacOS, but doesnt on windows machines : they all seem to prefer the public DNS defined in DHCP, not the internal one. strangest thing is on windows nslookup returns the internal answer, but any other call (ping, firefox...) fails because the name is not on public dns. any clue? |
| 15:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think you might benefit from some time spent at kernel.org |
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| 15:48.29 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: that, or perhaps searching for graph-related bugs in virt-manager :P |
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| 15:48.49 | ChrisW | where does debian's fail2ban package keep its config file? |
| 15:48.50 | stew | michelem: i think ext4 does but there isn't a way to retrieve it. or something asinine like that, but typically no |
| 15:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | Someone was mentioning performance issues with recent non-released debian kernels. |
| 15:49.24 | thewanderer1 | I'm using 2.6.36.2 from kernel.org |
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| 15:49.26 | stew | ChrisW: /etc/fail2ban |
| 15:49.43 | prsn | Not sure if this is a debian issue, or at some higher or lower level... but I'm experiencing an annoying behavior where held modifier keys are forgotten after a short time |
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| 15:50.21 | ChrisW | stew: oh, I see, it's all been split into a million and one files in a folder, right? |
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| 15:50.29 | prsn | for instance, in emacs, if i hold ctrl and press n a few times, the cursor moves down a few lines.. but then if i wait, still holding ctrl, and press n again, an n is typed |
| 15:50.40 | prsn | this is true across applications and window managers |
| 15:50.52 | stew | ChrisW: there is more than one conffile, right |
| 15:51.07 | prsn | so I thought maybe it's a driver thing or something? |
| 15:51.09 | thewanderer1 | prsn: perhaps it's an X.org config option - persistent keys or so? |
| 15:51.26 | thewanderer1 | also, many window managers are engineered after one another |
| 15:51.26 | ChrisW | stew: however, I believe the original fail2ban software just has one file, doesn't it? |
| 15:51.40 | stew | ChrisW: i don't know |
| 15:52.08 | Iridos | prsn, how long do you wait? |
| 15:52.24 | prsn | maybe two seconds? |
| 15:52.37 | Iridos | hm, no, I don't see that on my system |
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| 15:52.53 | stew | ChrisW: it appears that upstream has a split config as well |
| 15:52.58 | prsn | seems like less than 2 seconds actually |
| 15:53.04 | prsn | it's really irritating :/ |
| 15:53.26 | Iridos | prsn, I guess you can watch it with 'xev' ... might be the keyboard? |
| 15:53.33 | prsn | I googled 'persistent keys' and didn't see anything that looked relevant |
| 15:53.37 | prsn | okay, i'll try that |
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| 15:53.47 | michelem | sigh this sucks big time |
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| 15:53.51 | ChrisW | stew: fair enough, must be a new version than the one I was thinking of :-) |
| 15:53.58 | michelem | I'll have to store the information explicitly separately then |
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| 15:54.37 | Iridos | dunno if xev does any good, but perhaps there are some additional events that trigger the release... |
| 15:54.57 | prsn | oh, i should mention |
| 15:54.59 | Iridos | I'd also try connecting a different keyboard, perhaps it's just sending a key-release for some reason |
| 15:55.08 | prsn | it doesn't time out if I haven't pressed any other key yet |
| 15:55.30 | prsn | i can hold ctrl for as long as i want, then press buttons quickly for as long as i want, and everything's fine |
| 15:55.45 | prsn | it's only *after* a modified keypress that the timer seems to start |
| 15:55.59 | prsn | xev is confusing and i'm still trying to figure out what it's telling me |
| 15:57.22 | Iridos | you could also see if it happens on the console, too |
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| 15:58.02 | prsn | yeah it looks like a second after pressing a modified key, a modifier keyrelease is sent |
| 15:58.26 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 15:58.31 | thewanderer1 | so it's either X.org or keyboard |
| 15:58.49 | thewanderer1 | (keyboard == hardware || keyboard == driver || keyboard == cosmic_rays) |
| 15:58.52 | prsn | yes, it happens in terminals |
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| 15:59.08 | thewanderer1 | do you have some kind of fancy keyboard? :P |
| 15:59.11 | prsn | nope |
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| 15:59.30 | prsn | it's super boring. And.. I'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't do this under windows |
| 15:59.33 | Kottizen | USB or ps/2? |
| 15:59.34 | prsn | on the same machine |
| 15:59.36 | prsn | ps2 |
| 15:59.38 | Iridos | well, still souns most likely to me that it's the keyboard |
| 15:59.48 | prsn | well, i do have another |
| 15:59.51 | prsn | i'll try it |
| 16:00.04 | Kottizen | The keyboard feels whether it's Windows or Linux and acts differently, exactly Iridos. |
| 16:00.40 | prsn | okay, new keyboard |
| 16:00.40 | Iridos | Kottizen, or it also happens under windows... |
| 16:00.54 | Iridos | and I hadn't read that at the time, anyway |
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| 16:01.25 | prsn | well huh |
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| 16:01.30 | prsn | i guess i was wrong |
| 16:01.35 | prsn | because it's better |
| 16:01.39 | Iridos | Kottizen, I've also had some hard-disks that felt if it was windows and would stop to fail there, while they'd produce lots of I/O timeouts under linux... |
| 16:01.54 | thewanderer1 | prsn: so it's the keyboard? |
| 16:01.57 | prsn | guess so |
| 16:02.01 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 16:02.07 | prsn | weird thing for a keyboard to do |
| 16:02.17 | thewanderer1 | you can now sell it on ebay as "Singularity keyboard" |
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| 16:02.33 | Iridos | send it to thewanderer1, he can use it to bind his shoe-laces :-P |
| 16:02.34 | prsn | could there be different keyboard drivers getting used? |
| 16:02.52 | thewanderer1 | prsn: nope :D |
| 16:02.54 | alsd | another DNS question: is it wise to define on a public (internet) zone an internal (192.168.0.0/16) only NS ? |
| 16:02.56 | prsn | mkay |
| 16:03.02 | stew | prsn: not if they are both ps2 |
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| 16:03.09 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: those are for the weak, I bind shoelaces with bind() only |
| 16:03.42 | thewanderer1 | alsd: yes, if you only have 1 interface and are using shorewall, for example |
| 16:03.46 | thewanderer1 | oh DNS |
| 16:03.50 | thewanderer1 | anyway, yes it is... |
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| 16:05.23 | thewanderer1 | unless you want external clients to work with that... :P |
| 16:05.25 | prsn | ok |
| 16:05.28 | prsn | i figured it out |
| 16:05.32 | prsn | i was lying a bit |
| 16:05.39 | prsn | it *is* as ps2 keyboard |
| 16:05.48 | prsn | but it was plugged into a usb adapter |
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| 16:05.57 | thewanderer1 | uh |
| 16:06.07 | prsn | and when i took that out |
| 16:06.14 | prsn | and plugged it into the ps2 port |
| 16:06.17 | prsn | it was fixed |
| 16:06.24 | Iridos | (which you shouldn't, when the machine is running) |
| 16:06.31 | prsn | ? really? |
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| 16:06.53 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: eh, I once plugged in 2 keyboards to both PS/2 slots and they were both recognized at runtime... :P |
| 16:07.12 | alsd | thewanderer1: thing is, i dont want external (internet) clients to access this NS, which is not public anyway. trouble is, it's impossible to do fancy things on the public zone file, as it's locked by the DNS record hosting company |
| 16:07.13 | Iridos | yes... it seems that can sometimes grill some of the circuits... but now that you've done it once without any damage, I guess you can do it as often as you want :-P |
| 16:07.36 | prsn | also, another usb keyboard also works |
| 16:07.36 | thewanderer1 | alsd: so you want split-view DNS? you should probably implement views... |
| 16:07.45 | prsn | so it's pretty much the adapter |
| 16:07.48 | prsn | which is weird |
| 16:07.54 | prsn | but ... problem solved! |
| 16:07.59 | prsn | thanks guys |
| 16:08.12 | Iridos | I dunno, I've never myself ruined a mainboard by hot-plugging ps/2, but I was assured it can happen |
| 16:08.14 | alsd | thewanderer1: at first sight it's impossible with our DNS hosting company |
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| 16:08.43 | thewanderer1 | alsd: if you run your own DNS server like bind locally, then you can have zones for the local users and zones for The World |
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| 16:09.36 | Iridos | hmm, prsn / thewanderer1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_connector#Hotplugging |
| 16:09.56 | alsd | thewanderer1: that's what i have, but m$ windows clients keep asking the public DNS first, which says it has authority to answer hosts dont exist on the domain. no problem on linux/macos/bsd. only m$. which is boring |
| 16:10.01 | Iridos | "doesn't usually cause damage on modern systems anymore" |
| 16:10.23 | thewanderer1 | alsd: shouldn't you set windows clients to use local DNS? |
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| 16:10.51 | alsd | thewanderer1: they do. but they also have public dns, and prefer it |
| 16:11.42 | thewanderer1 | so... configure them to only use the local DNS, and use local DNS as recursive resolver? |
| 16:11.44 | alsd | thewanderer1: our stupid DHCP/router absolutely wants to say it's also a DNS server in DHCP replies, so i'm stuck |
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| 16:12.18 | alsd | thewanderer1: because its internal DNS goes to public DNS only |
| 16:12.42 | thewanderer1 | can't you set the router's DNS server to your resolver? |
| 16:12.48 | Iridos | switch off dhcp-server on the router and run one on a computer |
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| 16:13.02 | alsd | thewanderer1: mmh, will try that (if its ever possible)... |
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| 16:13.21 | thewanderer1 | of course it's very unoptimal |
| 16:13.38 | thewanderer1 | well, if you have DNS records that noone ever would care to see but your internal clients, then you can include them in your public zone |
| 16:14.11 | thewanderer1 | some inquisitive people will have their alarms triggered by DNS rebinding alerts and records pointing to their local resources :P |
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| 16:17.00 | alsd | thewanderer1: seems like it's working now, as you suggested. but if our internal DNS goes down, whole internal network goes down too |
| 16:18.15 | coops89 | hi, I'd like to restrict the disk space, bandwidth use and connection rate of the users in my system. are there any useful built in tools for this? |
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| 16:31.56 | daemonkeeper | Is there a tool to create DEP-3 compliant quilt headers? (e.g. similar to dch for changelog) |
| 16:32.53 | ChrisW | hmm, I've created a user with "adduser --disabled-password theuser" so that I can rsync-over-ssh some files to the machine from another machine, I have the public key set up correctly, but whenever I try and ssh or rsync -e ssh to the box, it just hangs, no messages in /var/log/auth in the target machine, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 16:34.31 | solifugus | How can I get squeeze packages? |
| 16:34.46 | solifugus | and use them in Lenny.. Is that allowable? |
| 16:34.56 | babilen | solifugus: What are you trying to do exactly? |
| 16:35.03 | crilly|w | Does anyone here have experience using FlowViewer? I have a load of data files from a NetFlow capture and although I have flowtools and the FlowViewer package setup, I don't know how-to make FlowViewer collect the information that is already available. |
| 16:35.06 | solifugus | Get and run virtuoso... |
| 16:35.21 | stew | ChrisW: does ssh work independant of rsync? |
| 16:35.22 | solifugus | babilen: I need to run a virtuoso server..... in production. |
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| 16:35.44 | ChrisW | stew: nope, same symptom just hangs, nothing in /var/log/auth |
| 16:35.57 | babilen | solifugus: I don't think that it is easy to backport virtuoso to Lenny ... |
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| 16:36.04 | stew | ChrisW: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 16:36.27 | solifugus | Does Squeeze eventually become Lenny? |
| 16:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions virtuoso |
| 16:36.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'virtuoso' was found in i386. |
| 16:36.48 | stew | solifugus: no, lenny becomes "oldstable" and squeeze becomes "stable" though |
| 16:36.57 | stew | solifugus: and a new "wheezy" becomes the new testing |
| 16:37.01 | thewanderer1 | ,versions virtuoso-opensource |
| 16:37.02 | judd | Package virtuoso-opensource on i386 -- sid: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1; squeeze: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1 |
| 16:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions virtuoso-server |
| 16:37.05 | babilen | solifugus: But it might be worth a try. Ask dpkg about it -- /msg dpkg ssb -- and try it. I guess that we are speaking about a production server here? (Which rules out upgrading your system to Squeeze as of now as it does not yet receive security support) |
| 16:37.05 | judd | Package virtuoso-server on i386 -- sid: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1; squeeze: 6.1.2+dfsg1-1 |
| 16:37.15 | solifugus | So I guess it'll have to be Sneeze, next.. |
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| 16:38.05 | ChrisW | stew: gah, I can't, since only port 22 is open through the firewall I have to go through :-( |
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| 16:38.20 | solifugus | babilen: yes.. a production server.. need virtuoso for scalable semantic web information store.. |
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| 16:38.39 | stew | ChrisW: where does "ssh -v" stop? |
| 16:38.59 | solifugus | It's also a really exceptional sql database...xml.. and rdf.. virtuoso really deserves to be the new mysql, i think.. |
| 16:39.36 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Request a backport |
| 16:39.54 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: where can I do that? |
| 16:40.05 | babilen | solifugus: Not quite sure what to suggest, you could try to backport it. But given that it has quite a bunch of dependencies that might be a hard task to do. |
| 16:40.07 | jhutchins_lt | first find the maintainer. |
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| 16:40.54 | solifugus | ok.. virtuoso's dependencies (to build) are just: autoconf, automake, libtool, flex, bison, gperf, gawk, m4, make, and openssl. |
| 16:41.12 | ChrisW | stew: hurmph, ssh -v worked |
| 16:41.28 | ChrisW | so does non-v now |
| 16:41.30 | babilen | solifugus: But I guess that you want to run it later ;) |
| 16:41.38 | ChrisW | I wonder if it may have just been load on the target server? |
| 16:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Contact Obey Arthur Liu <arthur@milliways.fr> and ask if he will provide a version for lenny. |
| 16:42.14 | watsoncj | Hi, I've got some binaries, and a udev rule that I'd like to turn into a deb. Is there an easy way to do this? I've waded throught the maint-guide but it seems to focus on starting from source. |
| 16:42.16 | solifugus | babilen: yes.. I guess I'll just install a squeeze virtual machine, unpack the source package and copy over to debian lenny.. |
| 16:42.34 | babilen | solifugus: That is an option as well. (sorry that i forgot about that) |
| 16:43.34 | thewanderer1 | watsoncj: man dpkg-deb - it lets you package files into a .deb as if it was a .tar.bz2... |
| 16:44.11 | watsoncj | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 16:44.18 | thewanderer1 | (you still have to write the debian/control and debian/md5sums files, though) |
| 16:44.41 | babilen | solifugus: Aeh, no. The software will probably not install/run without all of its dependencies. I am not sure how many of them have already been backported or are easily backportable. But it is worth a try. I thought you meant: Run it on a Squeeze VM -- You could also use a different distro or wait until Squeeze is released (might happen soonish) |
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| 16:45.01 | stew | watsoncj: so your source is your binaries, and your building step is a noop and you skip right to installing |
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| 16:45.51 | SirTopHat | I've been looking through Settings and other menus, can't find how to change how long it waits to turn off the monitor though |
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| 16:46.30 | stew | SirTopHat: /msg dpkg dpms |
| 16:46.39 | solifugus | IS squeeze debian-507 ? |
| 16:46.52 | daemonkeeper | no |
| 16:47.08 | daemonkeeper | Squeeze will be 6.0 |
| 16:47.11 | stew | solifugus: no squeeze will be 6.0, 5.0.7 is the current lenny |
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| 16:47.21 | solifugus | ok.. having trouble finding where to download a squeeze iso from.. |
| 16:47.26 | SirTopHat | ok |
| 16:47.30 | daemonkeeper | look out for testing |
| 16:47.40 | stew | solifugus: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:47.42 | babilen | solifugus: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:47.43 | daemonkeeper | That's how Squeeze is called before being released. |
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| 16:48.01 | daemonkeeper | Or more: being referred before being released |
| 16:48.25 | SirTopHat | is there a reason some things get a GUI and some things don't |
| 16:48.35 | SirTopHat | as far as system settings |
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| 16:50.07 | stew | SirTopHat: there probably is a gui setting for it somewhere |
| 16:50.25 | SirTopHat | ok |
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| 16:51.07 | stew | SirTopHat: which DE are you using? |
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| 16:52.56 | SirTopHat | xfce |
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| 16:53.23 | SirTopHat | I am getting very tired of programs complaining about being run as root |
| 16:53.52 | SirTopHat | from what I've understood part of unix philosophy was to let the user do what they want regardless of how insecure or stupid it is |
| 16:54.22 | SirTopHat | point in case right now: XScreenSaver's daemon |
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| 16:56.57 | SirTopHat | running everything as a priviledged user is inconvenient enough, I shouldn't have to deal with modifying everything to allow me to run it as root, it defeats the purpose of a root account if it's disallowed from doing anything |
| 16:56.58 | CarlFK | lenny apache2: "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" |
| 16:57.23 | CarlFK | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName says a /etc/hosts entry will fix, but that's already there. |
| 16:57.32 | stew | SirTopHat: why would you run everything as a privileged user? |
| 16:57.46 | stew | actually i don't feel like convincing him... |
| 16:57.54 | SirTopHat | stew: that's what it tells me to do constantly |
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| 16:58.14 | stew | SirTopHat: what is "it" and what exactly is it tell you to do? |
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| 16:58.19 | liel | Hello |
| 16:58.34 | CarlFK | I think I just need to echo "ServerName foo.example.com">/etc/apache2/conf.d/foo.conf - is that the right way? |
| 16:58.46 | stew | CarlFK: this is an ignorable warning, if it bugs you can you can add a "ServerName somename" to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 16:58.53 | stew | CarlFK: sure |
| 16:58.58 | SirTopHat | "You shouldn't run IRC as root" "Don't log into the desktop as root" "You should never run XScreenSaver as root" ugh |
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| 16:59.08 | SirTopHat | those aren't exact quotes but they're similar enough |
| 16:59.24 | stew | SirTopHat: that's telling you NOT to run everything as a privileged user, not the other way around |
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| 16:59.35 | CarlFK | stew: thanks. |
| 16:59.40 | SirTopHat | I meant to say unpriviledged |
| 16:59.59 | SirTopHat | how did I possibly confuse those .-. |
| 17:00.27 | CarlFK | woo! no more distracting errors |
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| 17:00.39 | thewanderer1 | SirTopHat: you only have to grant your user all capabilities (man capabilities) and you have root without UID 0 - simple enough? |
| 17:01.01 | SirTopHat | that sounds good, yes |
| 17:01.19 | SirTopHat | I think I've tried that before and it failed, but I will again when this ftp transfer is over |
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| 17:01.25 | thewanderer1 | I have done the opposite on my server - root is just a normal user without capabilities :P |
| 17:01.39 | SirTopHat | 8) |
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| 17:03.32 | thewanderer1 | you basically place a binary executable only by your uber-user somewhere (uber-user:root, 0700), use execap or whatever it was called to grant that binary all capabilities, and make sure the binary calls a shell for you |
| 17:03.36 | thewanderer1 | or X, or anything |
| 17:04.48 | thewanderer1 | you can use sucap as well - those programs lack manpages though and I forgot how to use them :P |
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| 17:07.04 | thewanderer1 | oh, of course sucap is not in libcap2-bin and the package description says it is included :P |
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| 17:10.13 | thewanderer1 | apparently capsh should be used now... set the capabilities that you need |
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| 17:11.16 | SirTopHat | I'd like to disable every last restriction X has about running anything as root, but I don't see anything more in xorg.conf relevant |
| 17:12.39 | peterrooney | SirTopHat: Imagine that there's a reason it's not recommended practice to do that |
| 17:12.58 | SirTopHat | imagine I obviously don't care |
| 17:13.10 | stew | SirTopHat: X doesn't have restrictions about running as root |
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| 17:21.20 | CyberDomovoy | lol, i used to write a "while true; do ... done" on my command line to monitor some stuff, i just discovered "watch" |
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| 17:28.05 | coops89 | can I somehow limit the connection rate of a process? |
| 17:28.30 | coops89 | e.g. prevent a process from doing more than say 1 connection per second |
| 17:28.44 | coops89 | (network connection) |
| 17:30.06 | stew | coops89: you could perhaps limit this with iptables, but it wouldn't be limiting how often the process makes attempts, just how often the attempts could succeed |
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| 17:32.13 | coops89 | stew: ah, thanks. so another solution would be to pass connection attempts trough some script so I can log bandwidth and deny/delay too fast connection. are there some way of implementing such a software "firewall" with iptables? |
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| 17:33.46 | stew | coops89: yes, google for iptables with 'recent' or 'hitcount' |
| 17:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | coops89: iptables throttling. |
| 17:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | coops89: Yes |
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| 17:45.40 | thewanderer1 | oh wtf. when I cd to "/root", my PS1 in bash shows rott instead of root |
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| 17:46.04 | babilen | thewanderer1: bit-rot? |
| 17:46.12 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 17:46.12 | stew | someone r0tted your box |
| 17:46.23 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 17:46.32 | thewanderer1 | when I cd into /boot I get bott, too |
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| 17:47.13 | thewanderer1 | it's a bug in \W in PS1 |
| 17:47.29 | thewanderer1 | \W is supposed to show only the basename, but it messes the name up |
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| 17:48.56 | thewanderer1 | it works the same with every 4-letter dirname containing a double letter in the middle |
| 17:48.59 | thewanderer1 | can anyone check that? |
| 17:49.24 | babilen | thewanderer1: What is your PS1? |
| 17:49.28 | robokop | /home -> hmee |
| 17:49.43 | thewanderer1 | export PS1="\u@\h \W \$ " |
| 17:49.54 | thewanderer1 | lol robokop, it works the same here |
| 17:50.03 | thewanderer1 | I got scared for a moment... |
| 17:50.12 | thewanderer1 | such a stupid bug :D |
| 17:50.38 | babilen | jupp, same behaviour here :) |
| 17:50.41 | babilen | I like it :) |
| 17:50.44 | robokop | pocc |
| 17:51.01 | coops89 | anyone know of some unix service that can log sent/received bandwidth traffic ammount and what uid the process sending/receiving the traffic has? |
| 17:51.19 | babilen | thewanderer1: Do you want to file that bug? |
| 17:51.26 | robokop | sbin -> sinn |
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| 17:51.55 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I'm not good at filing bugs :P |
| 17:52.05 | thewanderer1 | robokop: you sinned too much and that's what you get |
| 17:52.09 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ok, I'll do it then. |
| 17:52.12 | thewanderer1 | coops89: try NetAMS |
| 17:52.32 | dkr | coops89: systemtap |
| 17:53.02 | robokop | thewanderer1: all dirs under root which have names longer then 3 chars are b0rked |
| 17:53.24 | thewanderer1 | robokop: yeah :D |
| 17:53.52 | thewanderer1 | and where does that happen? the 3rd last char? |
| 17:53.53 | robokop | thewanderer1: nope selinux looks fine to me |
| 17:54.08 | thewanderer1 | hm, to me too |
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| 17:54.34 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:54.38 | babilen | welcome |
| 17:54.39 | thewanderer1 | but /abcdefghi breaks display as well |
| 17:55.30 | thewanderer1 | it seems to happen only with certain letter combinations or lengths... |
| 17:56.28 | thewanderer1 | apparently nobody uses \W :D |
| 17:57.54 | babilen | so it seems |
| 17:58.25 | thewanderer1 | or perhaps it's just a backdoor in Debian :P |
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| 18:00.58 | robokop | it is already a bug #589084 |
| 18:01.11 | babilen | robokop: yeah |
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| 18:03.47 | thewanderer1 | hm, ok |
| 18:04.00 | thewanderer1 | still, I'm on squeeze and the fix is still not in :P |
| 18:04.06 | qwd | Is it enough to uncheck ssh in Gnome Services Settings to avoid having openssh-server start automatically? |
| 18:04.12 | thewanderer1 | not even on sid... |
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| 18:04.57 | dvs | thewanderer1: file an RC bug! ;-) |
| 18:05.06 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 18:05.16 | thewanderer1 | "causes user panic and general havoc" |
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| 18:05.40 | thewanderer1 | and of course breakage of unrelated packages so system fails to bott... err boot |
| 18:06.09 | dvs | hehh |
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| 18:06.58 | dserban | anyone remember the secret handshake to defining a command in the gnome menu which has "commandline parameters"? |
| 18:07.16 | dserban | I remember i have to use percent something-or-other, but my google-fu is weak this morning |
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| 18:10.18 | dserban | hmm odd, nevermind I got it |
| 18:10.25 | abrotman | usually %s |
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| 18:13.40 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:13.41 | dpkg | <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 18:21.23 | qwd | Doh! I just installed Squeeze on a laptop with desktop-environment and it installed KDE. I was expecting Gnome. What's the best way of purging everything KDE? "aptitude purge kde-standard" or something with tasksel? |
| 18:22.27 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 18:22.28 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 18:24.33 | qwd | dvs: thanks! |
| 18:24.36 | dvs | np |
| 18:24.54 | qwd | Since when is KDE default? (I used debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-netinst.iso) |
| 18:25.06 | dvs | dunno |
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| 18:28.23 | babilen | qwd: Is it? |
| 18:29.21 | qwd | babilen: Seems like it. I've always gotten Gnome before when installing with desktop-environment but now I got KDE :( |
| 18:29.48 | babilen | Yeah, it should be like that. I am not aware of a change in that. Let me check that. |
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| 18:31.58 | karlpinc | I've a box with a newer intel 8-something integrated graphic chip and I've attached a crt. X was assuming a "widescreen" lcd format and refereshing at 60 hz. I fixed this by making my own xorg.conf with an accurate Monitor section with horz and vert refresh limits, a minimal device section listing only "intel" as the driver, and a minimal Screen section to put the two together. ... |
| 18:32.34 | abrotman | 8-something isn't newer |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | not remotely newer |
| 18:33.06 | karlpinc | Then I used the gnome "screen resolution" tool to up the refresh hz to 85 and fix the resolution to get rid of the "widescreen" aspect ratio. However, this only fixed the user's session, not the gdm screen. |
| 18:33.18 | karlpinc | abrotman: You should have seen what was there before :) |
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| 18:33.30 | abrotman | no, really, 8xx is from like 2005 |
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| 18:33.57 | stew | i'm not sure this is a point worth arguing :) |
| 18:34.17 | karlpinc | So, what does that gnome tool actually frob? Is there a config file? What's the "right way" so that the gdm screen has the higher refresh rate and correct aspect ratio? |
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| 18:34.31 | abrotman | it probably uses xrandr |
| 18:34.51 | karlpinc | I'm more curious than anything. I checked the checkbox that says "make this the default for this computer". |
| 18:35.16 | karlpinc | Lenny, fyi. |
| 18:35.19 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: did it ask for a root password? |
| 18:35.31 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: No. Dunno why not. |
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| 18:35.52 | thewanderer1 | then it couldn't have changed X configuration... no means to do that |
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| 18:36.31 | karlpinc | (It was exciting to see that when I gave it an xorg.conf with details on the monitor the gui then gave me the option to change from a 60hz refresh rate to something better for a crt.) |
| 18:36.37 | stew | karlpinc: if you want gdm to be affected, i believe you'll need an xorg.conf |
| 18:36.45 | thewanderer1 | lots of "save as global default" options are often broken on Debian, including stable, just saying |
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| 18:37.00 | babilen | qwd: sorry, no time right now -- sure some of the other fine people can answer the question |
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| 18:37.19 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. I'll probably not mess with it becuase it really does not matter. But it's good to know the right way to proceed. |
| 18:37.35 | qwd | babilen: that's alright :) |
| 18:37.44 | thewanderer1 | qwd: I'll check what the installer installs by default, already have the DVD image for amd64 (Squeeze beta2 DVD 1) |
| 18:37.56 | thewanderer1 | qwd: just to make sure, what's your ISO's filename? |
| 18:38.11 | qwd | thewanderer1: debian-squeeze-di-beta2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:38.25 | thewanderer1 | alright... I'll try with amd64 though |
| 18:38.52 | stew | karlpinc: the only other way that I could think of would be if you can do it via hal fdis |
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| 18:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: gdm's display is controlled by gdmrc |
| 18:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, that's xrandr-based, then... |
| 18:39.09 | karlpinc | stew: Gosh. That sounds acronym laden. |
| 18:39.17 | karlpinc | :) |
| 18:39.23 | thewanderer1 | stew: then HAL gets obsoleted and he's left on ice :D |
| 18:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably... gdm of course would run as root, so if that would offer anything (but that's not what we're talking about, I think) |
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| 18:40.21 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Ok. If I want to frob gdm separately then that's the way to go. We'll see how the whole thing upgrades to squeeze, time come. |
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| 18:40.45 | N2Deep_ | hi all. what's the easiest way to quickly change between two different keyboard layouts on a server/text installation? |
| 18:41.04 | karlpinc | Thanks for the help. |
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| 18:43.01 | thewanderer1 | qwd: did you use "install" option in d-i menu? |
| 18:43.24 | qwd | thewanderer1: you mean right in the beginning? |
| 18:43.30 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 18:43.39 | qwd | thewanderer1: yeah, not the graphical install, the one with ncurses |
| 18:43.50 | thewanderer1 | trying this out... |
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| 18:44.28 | qwd | then in the end with tasksel I think desktop was already chosen so I just okayed it |
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| 18:49.35 | thewanderer1 | hey, is libnss-ldap's config file compatible with libnss-ldapd ? |
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| 18:58.44 | thewanderer1 | qwd: Squeeze beta2 DVD 1 amd64 seems to be installing GNOME for me |
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| 19:00.26 | qwd | thewanderer1: that's odd. I'm off in 10 minutes and won't be back until sunday maybe but I'll try my iso in Virtualbox and see if I get Gnome or KDE. If you want I'll let you know how it goes |
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| 19:05.49 | klapaucjusz | Hi. |
| 19:06.06 | klapaucjusz | What does "...-trunk-..." mean in a Linux kernel image package? |
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| 19:07.50 | elkclone | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48790 |
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| 19:08.00 | Accelerator | KSo |
| 19:08.02 | dvs | klapaucjusz: a mistake. Don't use it |
| 19:08.03 | Accelerator | I ran "apt-get install courier-imap" |
| 19:08.11 | Accelerator | and it just unstinalled PLESK |
| 19:08.14 | Accelerator | Without any consent |
| 19:08.18 | Accelerator | What, the, fuck? |
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| 19:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | Intel video drivers updated again in squeeze. Didn't break this system, but they usually don't. |
| 19:10.06 | coops89 | are there any quick way to see where apt-get has installed files for a certain package? |
| 19:10.39 | Accelerator | Okay. This package needs to be REMOVED from the aptitude repository |
| 19:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | coops89: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 19:10.44 | Accelerator | Because it obviously is fucking malicious. |
| 19:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | Accelerator: Or maybe you don't know what the fsck you're doing. |
| 19:11.35 | Accelerator | jhujhiti, Installing a package != Delete something totally unrelated off my system |
| 19:11.41 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: plesk isn't a part of Debian. In fact it makes so many changes, the system can't honestly be called Debian after that |
| 19:12.07 | Accelerator | So it just decided "Hey, I don't like PLESK, let me delete that for you" |
| 19:12.10 | jhutchins_lt | Besides, the package didn't remove anything. YOU removed the packages. |
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| 19:12.18 | Accelerator | I said to INSTALL something |
| 19:12.25 | Accelerator | why did it translate that to UNINSTALL. |
| 19:12.27 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: best to contact your vendor to see if it's allowed to install alternative smtp/pop3/imap stuff |
| 19:12.43 | Accelerator | I don't give a damn about that right now |
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| 19:12.46 | Accelerator | I want to undo what it just did |
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| 19:13.05 | Accelerator | If it even touched my damn database files I swear to god. |
| 19:13.06 | jelly-hme | apt-get or aptitude would have told you it was going to remove a package |
| 19:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | Accelerator: This is why things like plesk and webmin are so dangerous. |
| 19:14.41 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: but ot answer the question, some packages conflict each other. Often it's packages that provide similar functionality (ie. you can't have two SMTP servers installed) |
| 19:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | Accelerator: Anyway, we really can't help you re-install it. Presumably you made a backup before you installed a new subsystem. Only an idiot would make major changes without a backup. |
| 19:15.09 | Accelerator | Plesk makes daily DB dumps |
| 19:15.15 | Accelerator | Assuming it didn't decide to delete those |
| 19:15.28 | Accelerator | Now I can't even re-install those packages. FSCKING A!!! LOVELY. |
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| 19:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | Accelerator: No, I mean a system backup in case there was a problem with the installation. |
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| 19:16.12 | Accelerator | ===> Removing temporary database backup file /var/lib/psa/dumps/mysql.preupgrade.dump.gz LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS. |
| 19:16.21 | Accelerator | Nevermind |
| 19:16.25 | Accelerator | Misread out of frustration |
| 19:17.25 | Accelerator | Well okay then. |
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| 19:17.30 | Accelerator | The programs not installed, but it's conflicting? |
| 19:17.31 | stew | uh, this is NOT why plesk and webmin are so dangerous |
| 19:17.50 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: inspect your dpkg and apt/aptitude logs, remove what you last installed, use the vendors docs to install your plesk stuff |
| 19:17.51 | stew | they are dangerous for lots of other reasons |
| 19:17.56 | solifugus | how can I find out what files are in a debian package? (looking for the executable) |
| 19:18.07 | stew | solifugus: that is installed? or not yet installed? |
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| 19:18.11 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/1438046 |
| 19:18.22 | solifugus | stew after install |
| 19:18.24 | stew | solifugus: dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:19.05 | jelly-hme | ,versions psa-courier-imap |
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| 19:19.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'psa-courier-imap' was found in i386. |
| 19:19.21 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: that package doesn't seem to come from Debian |
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| 19:20.22 | klapaucjusz | dvs: so which kernel image am I supposed to use if I want .36 or later? |
| 19:20.26 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: you're going to have to remove the clashing Debian package courier-authlib first |
| 19:20.29 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/1438053 |
| 19:20.38 | Accelerator | jelly-hme, ^ :/ |
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| 19:20.46 | dvs | klapaucjusz: what version of Debian? |
| 19:21.02 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: use dpkg to remove them. |
| 19:21.06 | kraehe | did I miss a security announce? both debian and ubuntu are updating dpkg and dselect today |
| 19:21.09 | klapaucjusz | i386, mostly testing, with a pinch of unstable. |
| 19:21.27 | Accelerator | jelly-hme, Could you instruct me how? Not entirely familiar with dpkg |
| 19:21.37 | stew | kraehe: http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2142 |
| 19:21.43 | rozie | kraehe: yes you did |
| 19:21.44 | stew | Accelerator: or use aptitude which is smarter |
| 19:21.46 | dvs | klapaucjusz: I'd compile the kernel from kernel.org |
| 19:21.52 | kraehe | thanks stew and rozie ;-) |
| 19:21.55 | jelly-hme | Accelerator: it's not that hard, there's --remove and --purge |
| 19:22.08 | hiexpo | morning all |
| 19:22.36 | klapaucjusz | Why? I see both .37-rc7- and .37-trunk- in experimental. |
| 19:23.05 | morbidwar | hello, i have a question. i run a vpn server on my network, and i need to route the vpn's ips so i will be able to reach the intralan. do i need to add -net route or a -host route? in the statement < route add -net VPN-NETWORK-IP netmask 255.255.255.0 gw vpnd's-public-ip > |
| 19:23.17 | dvs | klapaucjusz: I'd take the rc7 version out of those two. |
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| 19:23.25 | klapaucjusz | Ok. |
| 19:23.35 | klapaucjusz | (I've just upgraded :-/ ) |
| 19:23.39 | klapaucjusz | Out of curiosity -- why? |
| 19:23.57 | dvs | klapaucjusz: because it's experimental. Very untested. |
| 19:24.35 | klapaucjusz | Mhm. |
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| 19:24.46 | Accelerator | Okay.. and now it's hung up trying to connect to the database/MySQL........ |
| 19:25.12 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/1438065 |
| 19:26.31 | Accelerator | and it's continuasly trying to start MySQL which is already started and failing. |
| 19:26.34 | Accelerator | Why the hell.. |
| 19:26.45 | stew | Accelerator: what does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/mysql" return? |
| 19:26.52 | Accelerator | Actually no it's not |
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| 19:26.56 | Accelerator | It killed MySQL to ^_^ |
| 19:27.10 | Accelerator | and now it won't start! |
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| 19:27.12 | Accelerator | Yay! |
| 19:27.29 | Accelerator | stew, I'm listening to it whine about problems with MySQL right now trying to re-install eevrything |
| 19:27.42 | stew | Accelerator: what does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/mysql" return? |
| 19:28.08 | Accelerator | mysql-server-5.0: /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 19:28.30 | stew | its screwy that one package's maintainer scripts are calling an init script of another package |
| 19:28.32 | JasonWoof | can I test if there's a program listening on a given tcp port on localhost without connecting to it? |
| 19:28.45 | Accelerator | MySQL just won't start period now. |
| 19:28.46 | Accelerator | GREAT., |
| 19:28.49 | stew | JasonWoof: netstat |
| 19:28.51 | klapaucjusz | JasonWoof: netstat -apn |
| 19:29.06 | Accelerator | Goddamn this. |
| 19:29.13 | stew | Accelerator: run "mysqld" as root and see what error comes out |
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| 19:30.00 | Accelerator | It's crashing |
| 19:30.04 | Accelerator | Fuck this goddamn bullshit |
| 19:30.10 | Accelerator | Again |
| 19:30.13 | Accelerator | One minute. |
| 19:30.16 | stew | ? |
| 19:30.38 | Accelerator | Okay, how do I make this output to a text file again? |
| 19:30.44 | jair | If I am running debian is here a good place to discuss about wifi as well? I have debian installed very clean, and have wireless-tools the firmware and packages to make my wifi adapter connect to open networks without encryption |
| 19:30.56 | Accelerator | mysqld < error.txt doesn't work. |
| 19:31.04 | Accelerator | > * |
| 19:31.05 | jair | I am trying to connect to a network with web and 128 enc |
| 19:31.58 | Accelerator | k well copying what I can see. |
| 19:32.07 | klapaucjusz | jair: and what's the problem? |
| 19:32.21 | Accelerator | 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
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| 19:32.29 | e-mode | oh geez |
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| 19:32.52 | hiexpo | wow |
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| 19:34.27 | JasonWoof | stew, klapaucjusz: ok, I've got this working: netstat -ln --inet | grep -q 55224 |
| 19:34.33 | JasonWoof | seems a little cumbersome though |
| 19:34.39 | JasonWoof | that really the best way? |
| 19:34.49 | JasonWoof | it's fine, only seems to take 7ms |
| 19:34.57 | jair | klapaucjusz: if the configuration is using an wpa psk I need to install wpa_supplicant to run the command that converts the phrase from ascii to hex? |
| 19:35.16 | stew | JasonWoof: you can also "lsof -i :55224" |
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| 19:35.22 | klapaucjusz | jair: no. |
| 19:35.31 | stew | JasonWoof: perhaps with a -n |
| 19:35.51 | klapaucjusz | WPA/WPA2 are a different protocol than WEP. |
| 19:36.05 | klapaucjusz | WEP uses a static shared key, and is insecure. |
| 19:36.05 | stew | JasonWoof: and that will exit with status 0/1 depending on wither someone is on that port |
| 19:36.14 | klapaucjusz | WPA/WPA2 changes keys periodically. |
| 19:36.21 | JasonWoof | stew: cool, thanks! |
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| 19:36.30 | jair | klapaucjusz: I understand that so sorry, the network I have at home is wpa/wpa2 psk |
| 19:36.31 | klapaucjusz | So you need to be running wpa_supplicant to dynamically change keys periodically. |
| 19:36.36 | klapaucjusz | Ok. |
| 19:37.03 | klapaucjusz | I recommend that you use the widget that comes with your desktop environment, which will do the right thing for you. |
| 19:37.29 | klapaucjusz | If you're the hardcore type, you may also install wpa_supplicant and edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf manually. |
| 19:37.36 | klapaucjusz | It should be pretty self-explanatory. |
| 19:37.38 | jair | so I was following this tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834 |
| 19:38.02 | klapaucjusz | jair: it's from 2006 :-/ |
| 19:38.11 | jair | klapaucjusz: as you know we can ignore the fact that is ubuntu forum, the wifi configuration does not care =) |
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| 19:38.13 | klapaucjusz | Things have improved quite a bit since then. |
| 19:38.28 | klapaucjusz | jair: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 19:38.54 | jair | I am using gnome in debian squeeze, 64bit but I don't want to install network manager guis |
| 19:39.34 | klapaucjusz | Why not? |
| 19:40.16 | stew | jair: how about wicd-curses? |
| 19:40.28 | klapaucjusz | jair: apt-get install wpa_supplicant |
| 19:41.05 | stew | (he means wpasupplicant without the _) |
| 19:41.10 | klapaucjusz | sudo vi /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 19:41.22 | klapaucjusz | sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf & |
| 19:41.22 | jair | klapaucjusz: I am not using sudo ;) |
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| 19:41.37 | jair | wext is the driver right |
| 19:41.41 | stew | "sudoedit" > "sudo vi" :) |
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| 19:42.26 | jair | stew: I am sorry i did not understand that comment? isn't that the one for cd-dvd manipulation? |
| 19:42.44 | JasonWoof | stew: strange... "lsof -n -i TCP:5522e4 >/dev/null" is 7-9 times slower than "netstat -ln --inet | grep -q 55224" |
| 19:43.48 | JasonWoof | thanks for the help! this will speed up my desktopcouch-url script |
| 19:43.56 | jair | klapaucjusz: then if I will not be installing a gui, I will be able to follow the tutorial I showed to you? |
| 19:44.04 | klapaucjusz | I have no idea. |
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| 19:44.24 | jair | klapaucjusz: well let's see: |
| 19:44.32 | klapaucjusz | I tend to avoid Debianisms to the extent possible, and try to use the upstream configuration methods. |
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| 19:44.59 | jair | klapaucjusz: I see, I like to understand what is happening and how things connect |
| 19:45.02 | jair | or work |
| 19:45.17 | pielgrzym | I'm writing a simple init script to start django fcgi apps. is such construct valid and safe: start) su djangouser -c /home/djangouser/start_siteA.sh RETVAL=$? ? |
| 19:45.37 | jair | so klapaucjusz 1. I do need wpa_supplicant in order to configure the network adapter and the AP wpa/wpa2 psk? |
| 19:45.44 | klapaucjusz | I can certainly sympathise with that. |
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| 19:46.16 | jair | 2. I will need to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 19:46.30 | rozie | jair: is there any special reason you don't use network helpers? |
| 19:46.39 | rozie | such as network manager or wicd? |
| 19:46.44 | klapaucjusz | (1) yes. With WPA/WPA2, the hardware keys are changed periodically, and you need a supplicant to make that work. |
| 19:47.00 | jair | rozie: I just want to be able of configure it using the command line, for automation in the future |
| 19:47.13 | klapaucjusz | (2) no, you may run wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd yourself. |
| 19:47.20 | dondelelcaro | jair: you can configure it all using the command line, and still use /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:47.36 | rozie | jair: wicd does automation part. and runs in cli... |
| 19:47.41 | jair | changed periodically? I already created one passphrase? you mean the hex conversion will constantly change? |
| 19:47.55 | stew | JasonWoof: odd, its fast for me "lsof -n -i TCP:22 0.00s user 0.04s system 101% cpu 0.039 total" |
| 19:48.11 | jair | rozie: I will need to check how it works |
| 19:48.42 | klapaucjusz | jair: yes, that's the whole point of WPA. |
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| 19:48.52 | rozie | OK, then wpa_supplicant with manual configuration is fine |
| 19:48.53 | stew | JasonWoof: uh, yeah, but still much slower than netstat |
| 19:48.54 | jair | rozie: that's the reason why I am here to discuss what will be the closest way to configure the network adapter using pur bash shell |
| 19:49.08 | jair | rozie: sounds good |
| 19:49.15 | jair | klapaucjusz: got it |
| 19:50.50 | jair | rozie: something like this plus installing wpa_supplicant? http://paste.debian.net/103999/ |
| 19:51.25 | jair | klapaucjusz: I appreciate your help and clarifying that I will need to read how wap/wpa2 works |
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| 19:51.42 | dvs | jair: Sounds like you want to create a credentials file |
| 19:51.45 | JasonWoof | stew: yeah, I thought it very strange. I'm testing if desktopcouch is running on the port I have cached. locally, I can wget a simple page from the port in 6ms when everything is hot, so it hurts to just test for the port in 35ms |
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| 19:52.01 | JasonWoof | stew: the big win, is when I'm testing for the ssh tunnel on my laptop |
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| 19:52.29 | dvs | /credentials/config |
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| 19:53.07 | rozie | jair: depends on card. and network settings. take a look on mine http://rozie.blox.pl/2009/07/WiFi-Intela-w-Linuksie-z-WPA-i-WPA2.html (PL, use google translate) |
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| 19:56.03 | klapaucjusz | rozie: you don't need proto and pairwise entries, they will be negotiated automatically. |
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| 19:58.26 | jair | dvs: so I will need that configuration on the /etc/network/interfaces plus have wpa_supplicant installed |
| 19:58.38 | dvs | jair: no |
| 19:58.48 | dvs | jair: only if you want to |
| 19:59.19 | jair | dvs: then what do I need the minimum to configure the card through the cli? |
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| 20:00.18 | Accelerator | , |
| 20:00.20 | rozie | klapaucjusz: good to know, but I switched completly to wicd right now |
| 20:00.53 | dvs | jair: You need to configure the interface to use a configuration file and the configuration file can hold the config info you want. Your script can just modify the conf file whenever the keys change. |
| 20:00.54 | Accelerator | Okay then. So. I accidentally forgot to copy the link to the pastebin, and isntead pasted the contents. |
| 20:00.57 | Accelerator | Sorry about that. |
| 20:01.16 | jair | dvs: I see |
| 20:01.42 | jair | dvs: so all I will need to do is configure the wpa supplicant config file |
| 20:01.51 | dvs | jair: yes |
| 20:01.54 | jair | I will follow rozie tutorial |
| 20:02.14 | jair | dvs: that will allow me to get the configuration even after rebooting the system? |
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| 20:02.53 | Accelerator | Am I still banned from here? :/ |
| 20:03.14 | dvs | Accelerator: if you act foolishly |
| 20:03.30 | Accelerator | dvs, I got banned for a pastebin fail earlier and klined from freenode. |
| 20:03.35 | dvs | jair: How are you going to "get the configuration" |
| 20:03.44 | Accelerator | An epic fail on my end, |
| 20:03.55 | dvs | Accelerator: So all those 0000 what a paste? |
| 20:04.01 | Accelerator | Yeah. |
| 20:04.07 | Accelerator | That's mysqld crashing. |
| 20:04.20 | Accelerator | Don't ask me what the massive wall of 0's in the middle are about |
| 20:04.58 | dvs | Accelerator: the pasting multiple lines got you kicked out and logining in and out rapidly got you klined because the bots thought you were spamming. |
| 20:05.17 | Accelerator | dvs, http://pastie.org/1438085 |
| 20:05.32 | Accelerator | attempted to leave the channel to kill the pasting |
| 20:05.37 | Accelerator | then got klined |
| 20:07.12 | dvs | Accelerator: Yeah, in the past, spammers logged in, spamed, logged out repeatedly. You just inadvertently followed that pattern. |
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| 20:07.28 | Accelerator | Ahh, whoops o.e |
| 20:09.34 | jair | dvs: here is my blog http://jairzhino.blogspot.com/ I want to understand how to configure the wifi on my debian squeeze 64bit network adapter PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 20:09.46 | jair | dvs: this will help everyone |
| 20:09.57 | jair | including myself and the wifi linux newbies |
| 20:10.21 | dvs | jair: I thought you wanted to automate changing the keys somehow. |
| 20:10.28 | jair | I just connected myself using the basic wifi tools and a wep enc which is not secure at all |
| 20:10.33 | stew | dvs: i don't belive the loggging out and back in has anything to do with it, just flooding the way he was is enough |
| 20:11.04 | dvs | stew: Then how'd he get k-lined right afterwards? |
| 20:11.26 | jair | dvs: well all I want is underdstand how to configure the wpa/wpa2 using psk passphrase key |
| 20:12.17 | jair | dvs: I know the security protocol I am using and the passphrase |
| 20:12.38 | dvs | jair: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:12.44 | dvs | jair: That's how I did it. |
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| 20:13.25 | dvs | Roaming mode |
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| 20:13.40 | jair | dvs: ok I will check that |
| 20:13.47 | jair | dvs: thank you so very much |
| 20:13.52 | dvs | jair: no problem |
| 20:14.15 | jair | I will go work on that document |
| 20:14.25 | jair | thank you again klapaucjusz and rozie as well |
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| 20:15.07 | stew | dvs: I'm assuming he was still flooding after rejoining |
| 20:15.16 | coops89 | starting snort on command line works fine but the init.d script appears to be working but silently fails (snort is terminated), there appears to be no logging present anywhere. how do I figure out what's wrong? |
| 20:15.51 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys .... i really want to disable the pcspkr ... but putting " blacklist pcspkr " in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesnt seem to work ... any help please |
| 20:15.54 | dvs | stew: if he was, I didn't see it after he logged in again. |
| 20:16.01 | stew | dvs: becuase he was +q |
| 20:16.04 | dvs | ah |
| 20:16.25 | stew | dvs: (but the channel is +z and idoru is +o, so idoru DOES see it) |
| 20:16.40 | dvs | isn't it special. ;-) |
| 20:17.32 | JasonWoof | does bash have a "if not [command]; then ... fi" syntax? |
| 20:17.44 | brokendatapoint | hi all, how do i kill Fluxbox/Openbox? have installed xfce4 but the WM run at the same time |
| 20:17.46 | JasonWoof | sorry, I could have picked a better channel for that one |
| 20:18.53 | stew | JasonWoof: command || dosomething |
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| 20:19.08 | sha | JasonWoof: if ! command ; then ... fi |
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| 20:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cobra-the-joker, the blacklist only comes in effect after the next reboot... remove the pcspkr module with rmmod pcspkr |
| 20:19.48 | doublehp | how do i do bluetooth pairing in CLI ? |
| 20:20.11 | sha | doublehp: there is "simple-agent", but i never used it with debian |
| 20:20.11 | stew | doublehp: hcitool cc address |
| 20:20.39 | stew | wall, that's connecting, which is different than pairing iirc |
| 20:20.42 | cobra-the-joker | CutMeOwnThroat , this occurs .ERROR: Module pcskpr does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 20:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, then should already be unloaded |
| 20:21.16 | stew | well it will pair if hcid.conf is correct |
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| 20:21.30 | cobra-the-joker | its loaded |
| 20:21.31 | stew | i guess. ask abrotman if you should be trusting me to give out advice on bluetooth pairing |
| 20:21.56 | sha | ... or just use simple-agent. |
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| 20:22.50 | doublehp | stew i don't have hcid.conf |
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| 20:23.20 | doublehp | stew aptitude search don't find simple-agent |
| 20:23.29 | stew | doublehp: in /etc/bluetooth? |
| 20:23.41 | doublehp | stew locate => whole disk |
| 20:23.50 | doublehp | and, yes i am up to date; just ran updatedb |
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| 20:24.00 | sha | simple-agent is a tool in bluez-package or how it's called |
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| 20:24.54 | doublehp | bluez-compat ? |
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| 20:25.32 | JasonWoof | stew, sha: ah! I was doing: "if ! cat ... | grep; then ..." and the ! and | didn't mix. I added perens and now it works |
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| 20:31.13 | obiwahn | is there a how to on reverting back to the distribution nvidia-glx drivers? |
| 20:33.01 | sha | JasonWoof: it would be better to remove the useless cat |
| 20:33.41 | sha | JasonWoof: something like "if ! grep -q ... ; then |
| 20:33.59 | bassliner | isn't it a bit stupid you don't file /usr/bin/sar when a package only has /usr/bin/atsar and update-alternatives uses it to provide /usr/bin/sar? |
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| 20:34.18 | bassliner | * when using apt-file search |
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| 20:35.32 | vtts | grep -q ... && echo "OK" || echo "Damn..." |
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| 20:49.42 | doublehp | !bluetooth |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
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| 20:53.22 | doublehp | stew: sha solution comes from http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser : run bluetooth-agent on the side |
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| 21:00.38 | abrotman | stew: yes! |
| 21:02.14 | keith4 | what does "pn" in dpkg -l output indicate? |
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| 21:02.43 | keith4 | purged/not-installed? |
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| 21:04.08 | stew | keith4: you requested the package to be purged, and it is (no files) |
| 21:04.33 | keith4 | stew: k, thanks |
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| 21:07.23 | daedhel | how do I add commands to the kernel line in grub ? I have tried editing /usr/share/grub/default and then executing update-grub as root, but the added commands dont appear on reboot |
| 21:07.56 | dvs | daedhel: what version of grub? |
| 21:08.15 | justin | daedhel: editing files in /usr/share/ is not a good idea |
| 21:08.51 | daedhel | dvs, grub current, in sid |
| 21:08.55 | daedhel | so grub 2 |
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| 21:09.04 | dvs | daedhel: you want to change /etc/default/grub |
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| 21:09.47 | daedhel | dvs, ALRIGHT |
| 21:09.50 | daedhel | thanks man |
| 21:09.53 | dvs | np |
| 21:10.26 | daedhel | hm |
| 21:10.27 | daedhel | also |
| 21:10.32 | roni | hi everybody , just a little question , i install 5.0.7 but i say no to the mirror in the installation , now i wanna install openssh but always ask for the CD , how can i do to install from internet |
| 21:10.40 | roni | with apt-get |
| 21:10.54 | daedhel | anyone has a conversion table ro the framebuffer resolutions for grub? |
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| 21:10.55 | dvs | roni: Well, you have to go to the mirrors. |
| 21:11.11 | daedhel | i want 1680x1050, I think it is 0x365 |
| 21:11.14 | daedhel | but i'm not sure |
| 21:11.56 | roni | i gonna search in google , i m just a little lazy ... |
| 21:12.45 | dvs | !tell roni -about sources.list |
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| 21:13.41 | daedhel | roni, edit /etc/apt/sources.list , comment the line about the cd |
| 21:13.41 | niklaswe | roni: you must first comment out the cd source in sources.list and after that add an mirror |
| 21:13.56 | niklaswe | daedhel: you was to fast for me ^^ |
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| 21:15.23 | roni | yes .. i do that .. but now i try to install apt-get install openssh-server and dosent work .. |
| 21:15.36 | roni | says the is no package or something like that |
| 21:15.54 | dvs | !sources.list |
| 21:15.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 21:15.58 | niklaswe | roni: have you ad an mirror? |
| 21:16.30 | roni | just the default one .. |
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| 21:19.00 | niklaswe | roni: have you done like dpkg says..? |
| 21:19.21 | niklaswe | and after you have change in sources.list run apt-get update |
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| 21:20.16 | roni | yes .. i just think that the default mirror is not workin ... is something like security.debian .. or something like that .. i gonna try another one |
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| 21:20.32 | dvs | roni: That's not the default mirror |
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| 21:25.31 | Neozonz | okay i've got a retarded question here |
| 21:25.46 | Neozonz | I've changed the ip of a computer in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:26.15 | Neozonz | and restarted networking through /etc/init.d/networking but ip isn't changing |
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| 21:29.08 | roni | somebody can send me a source.list or some mirror that works please ? |
| 21:29.14 | roni | new in debian . sorry |
| 21:29.28 | dvs | roni: read what dpkg said |
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| 21:30.55 | niklaswe | roni: i using this mirror deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 21:30.58 | niklaswe | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 21:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 21:31.40 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 21:34.03 | niklaswe | Neozonz: set the ip with ifconfig |
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| 21:34.52 | Neozonz | is there a reason why it doesn't reset it with /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:34.55 | roni | thank you very much is workinkg now |
| 21:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Didn't see that you'd allready done that, sorry. |
| 21:35.23 | SeanInSeattle | Hey all. I've installed from a minimal net install of 5.7, and I don't have a graphical environment. Is there a tutorial on how to install one? |
| 21:35.27 | dvs | jhutchins: sure, sure. ;-) |
| 21:35.48 | dvs | SeanInSeattle: kde or gnome? |
| 21:35.54 | SeanInSeattle | gnome. |
| 21:35.58 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 21:35.58 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 21:36.21 | SeanInSeattle | !install x |
| 21:36.22 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 21:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: As we move toward more user-manageable configurations it's harder for the system scripts to keep track of everything. |
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| 21:36.45 | dvs | SeanInSeattle: installing Gnome should install X for you. |
| 21:36.46 | Tekk_ | what package provides the mig command? |
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| 21:37.06 | cahoot | !apt-file |
| 21:37.06 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 21:37.23 | Tekk_ | ooh, never knew about apt-file |
| 21:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Not necessarily. Some people use a remote X. |
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| 21:38.18 | dvs | thinks X over a network is crazy! |
| 21:38.37 | Bushmills | xorg is only a recommendation by gdm3 on which gnome-desktop-environment depends on |
| 21:38.41 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: Works great here, I have ONE mail client no matter which PC I'm on. |
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| 21:45.00 | AVRS | Hi. I am running a mixture of Debian lenny and squeeze. In Firefox 4 betas and nightly builds, the context menu of toolbars (and sometimes the tab bar) fails to open properly when called by a click near the right edge of the screen: it doesn't render properly, and keeps sliding to the bottom of the screen repeatedly. I can reproduce it with both xmonad and xfwm. Has anyone seen that happen? |
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| 21:45.32 | Tekk_ | stupid ubuntu based....they don't keep contents >< |
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| 21:51.29 | coops89 | anyone aware of some way of display total network usage by processes? e.g. netstat -pt but with total sent/received |
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| 21:56.53 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/1438524 <- Problem trying to install xml-core on debian |
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| 22:02.18 | abrotman | Accelerator: apt-get update .. try again |
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| 22:12.58 | daedhel | coops89, did you try "nettop" ? |
| 22:13.36 | daedhel | or jnettop |
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| 22:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | Blast it, why can't oo open documents over smb? |
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| 22:43.51 | pthomas | can I disable forced root password updates? |
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| 22:46.45 | AVRS | Good night. |
| 22:46.55 | thewanderer1 | hey, libvirt supposedly supports OpenVZ, but I can't create an OpenVZ container using virt-manager, why? |
| 22:46.57 | thewanderer1 | (Squeeze) |
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| 22:49.43 | jimmybgood | pthomas: look at man chage |
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| 22:52.09 | Altreus | Just installed sun-java6-jre for java 1.6 but java -version still says 1.5. Can we deal with this without rebooting? |
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| 22:53.24 | rswarbrick | Could it be an /etc/alternatives problem? I don't use java, but check what /usr/bin/java points at |
| 22:54.21 | rswarbrick | Ah, yes. Try "sudo update-alternatives --config java" |
| 22:54.27 | rswarbrick | It might be pointing at the wrong thing. |
| 22:54.36 | Altreus | sec, I will try :) |
| 22:54.44 | pthomas | jimmybgood, thanks! |
| 22:55.02 | pthomas | could an apt-get update change that policy? |
| 22:55.15 | Altreus | rswarbrick: might have worked <3 |
| 22:55.27 | rswarbrick | takes a bow |
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| 22:56.31 | Altreus | thank you sir :) good morrow |
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| 22:57.02 | jimmybgood | pthomas: I don't think so - the config is in /etc/shadow, but wwho knows? |
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| 23:16.28 | rswarbrick | Ah - "-np" apparently |
| 23:16.39 | rswarbrick | (see the info file for wget for more information) |
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| 23:17.11 | sacredchao | so wget -np -r remotedir |
| 23:17.36 | rswarbrick | Maybe. Try it with "-l1" or "-l2" first to check it works (this limits the recursion) |
| 23:17.59 | sacredchao | The directories I am attempting to pull have no subdirs |
| 23:18.09 | thewanderer1 | hint: links to page indexes with changed sort orders will also get processed |
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| 23:23.14 | thewanderer1 | hey, my user is in libvirt group yet I'm unable to access a VM's console - says permission denied; /dev/pts/5 (under which the console is) is owned by libvirt-qemu, group tty, mode 0620. is this supposed to work like this? |
| 23:23.25 | thewanderer1 | (my user currently manages qemu:///system guests) |
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| 23:27.51 | jimmybgood | thewanderer1: 0620 means rw for user libvirt-qemu and r for members of group tty, is your user in group tty? |
| 23:28.00 | thewanderer1 | no... should it be, at all? |
| 23:28.11 | thewanderer1 | I mean not in this special case, but in general... |
| 23:29.32 | jimmybgood | if you want them to read /dev/pts/5, they will need to be in group tty or you''ll need t o change the permissions of /dev/pts/5 |
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| 23:31.27 | stew | jimmybgood: 620 is write for group, not read for group |
| 23:31.30 | jimmybgood | thewanderer1: excuse me I'm wrong, that w for group tty. I don't kn |
| 23:31.51 | thewanderer1 | well, I was asking more in terms of libvirt |
| 23:32.00 | thewanderer1 | cause it's apparently libvirt which operates these ptys |
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| 23:36.45 | jimmybgood | usually the ownership of a pty is assigned to the user that opens it. |
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| 23:54.26 | djanowski_away | hi all. any ideas why i can't shutdown my debian 5 server via ssh? |
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| 23:55.29 | rswarbrick | djanowski_away: Do you get an error message? |
| 23:55.57 | djanowski_away | rswarbrick: no, but the server just never shuts down |
| 23:56.15 | rswarbrick | What command are you trying to run? |
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| 23:56.35 | ssefa | hi guys. I was on Debian Lenny for a while... and I had to get lots of stuff from back-ports... and I eventually started getting a lot of stuff from back-ports, I think somewhere along the way I got too much and it created dependency problems.. and now I cannot start x. Also, it doesn't connect online with a non-wired connection. I've hooked up a lined wire connection to it now -- could someone please help me in getting it connected wit |
| 23:56.55 | djanowski_away | rswarbrick: `shutdown now`. that correct? |
| 23:57.18 | rswarbrick | Ah. And what do you mean by doesn't shut down? Nothing happens at all? |
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| 23:58.03 | Zxcvb | is having 4 udma crc errors after three badblocks runs (0xaa, 0x55, and 0xff) on a new drive anything to be concerned about? |
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| 23:58.34 | djanowski_away | rswarbrick: well i don't have a screen attached to the computer, but when i run the command i can hear the HDD working. then nothing happens, the machine stays on |
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| 23:58.52 | niklaswe | djanowski_away: use shutdown -h now |
| 23:59.07 | rswarbrick | Drat Stole my thunder! :-) |
| 23:59.36 | rswarbrick | djanowski_away: As niklaswe said, or use halt. |
| 23:59.38 | niklaswe | =) |
| 23:59.49 | djanowski_away | niklaswe: interesting, i thought that was by default ;) what is a shutdown without power off? |
| 23:59.58 | rswarbrick | outdated... |
