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| 00:00.17 | ssefa | awesome. now let's turn our attention to helping me, a cute and homeless orphan child |
| 00:00.48 | stew | ssefa: show us logs |
| 00:00.49 | stew | ssefa: use a pastebin |
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| 00:01.13 | niklaswe | djanowski_away: it shuting down all services and syncing disc so you can push the power off button |
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| 00:04.23 | ssefa | stew: please say of what things. I'm chatting on my laptop -- the dbian desktop in question does not connect to the internet (even with a lined wire) -- I was hoping that you could help me get it connected. please request relevant info and I'll try my best getting it to you :) http://pastebin.com/HVkbWuGv (yep, typed it!) |
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| 00:06.09 | niklaswe | ssefa: use dhclient eth0 |
| 00:06.12 | niklaswe | try. |
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| 00:09.03 | linux_direction | hi room : ) |
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| 00:10.04 | linux_direction | Is one able to manually configure the video component during installation? |
| 00:10.09 | SuperAlekZ | what's the comand for copying all the content from home/foo/27015 to home/foo/27035 ? |
| 00:10.16 | linux_direction | of debian 5? |
| 00:11.00 | ssefa | niklaswe: http://pastebin.com/yiJjQW1r |
| 00:11.09 | linux_direction | cp_command might be helpful SuperAlekZ. |
| 00:11.38 | SuperAlekZ | lol thx linux_direction i know that :D |
| 00:11.50 | linux_direction | oh. sorry. : ) |
| 00:11.59 | SuperAlekZ | but is it "cp -r home/foo/27015/* home/foo/27035/ ? |
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| 00:12.24 | klapaucjusz | SuperAlekZ: no, that will omit the dotfiles. |
| 00:12.40 | SuperAlekZ | so what's the command? :S |
| 00:12.52 | niklaswe | ssefa: how looks your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:13.03 | rswarbrick | SuperAlekZ: The easiest thing is cp -r home/foo/27015/ home/foo/27035/ if you don't need 27035 to exist beforehand |
| 00:13.04 | ssefa | oh... looks like it is connected, just a bit slow. ok, I guess I'll reinstall gnome from apt-get and hopefully that will resolve dependency problems |
| 00:13.17 | klapaucjusz | (cd /home/foo/27015/; tar cf - . ) | (cd /home/foo/27035; tar xf -) |
| 00:13.22 | linux_direction | oh. im not quite sure SuperAlekZ. im tottaly new to linux. but i was wanting to duplicate my hdd install for backup. and it was suggest that i could use the dd_cimmand or the cp_command |
| 00:13.24 | stew | ssefa: what dependency problems? |
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| 00:14.05 | linux_direction | i used the dd_command. and it ended stuffing up my newly installed Deb5 |
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| 00:14.20 | stew | you wouldn't use dd to copy files from one filesystem to another |
| 00:14.28 | stew | SuperAlekZ: your cp command is file |
| 00:14.42 | linux_direction | no. i wanted to duplicate my hdd, stew |
| 00:14.48 | ssefa | stew: I got a lot of stuff from the backports -- I think it was that doing that broke X. Is my approach of getting stuff now from apt-get (to essentially replace bad backports stuff) a good one ..or do you think I should try something else? |
| 00:15.15 | stew | ssefa: what is the dependency problem you are trying to fix? |
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| 00:16.07 | stew | ssefa: if you are trying to fix X, show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:16.29 | niklaswe | ssefa: ssefa did you get your internet to work on your desktop |
| 00:16.31 | stew | ssefa: if you haven't already, try starting X without an xorg.conf (perhaps by moving your currently one out of the way if it exists) |
| 00:16.33 | ssefa | stew: I don't exactly know -- X broke, I assume it was because backports getting new things(and I was on Debian 5.0 lenny) created dep. problems with existing stuff |
| 00:16.37 | linux_direction | stew. is X the video component? |
| 00:16.45 | ssefa | niklaswe: It looks like so, yes |
| 00:16.55 | niklaswe | ssefa: good |
| 00:16.57 | stew | linux_direction: X is the thing that gives you a graphical desktop |
| 00:16.57 | ssefa | ok, I'll get the /var/log// thing up |
| 00:17.56 | linux_direction | oh Okay. thanks stew. is "Vesa" another option available? |
| 00:18.11 | stew | linux_direction: vesa is a generic video driver for x |
| 00:18.55 | linux_direction | am i able to select this(Vesa) during install instead of "X" stew? |
| 00:20.08 | thewanderer1 | `virsh -c openvz:///system` returns "error: internal error OpenVZ control file /proc/vz is not accessible" |
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| 00:20.14 | stew | linux_direction: in general, x is autoconfigured, and vesa would be a last resort when there wasn't a more specific driver that could be used |
| 00:20.39 | stew | linux_direction: if you wanted to force it to use vesa instead of one specific for your video card you'd have to create a custom conf file |
| 00:20.43 | linux_direction | stew: oh Okay. thanks mate. |
| 00:20.58 | linux_direction | oh Okay. |
| 00:21.46 | linux_direction | got any links to good web pages on that(custom config)? |
| 00:22.06 | stew | linux_direction: why do you want a custom config? |
| 00:22.13 | stew | linux_direction: you actually want to use vesa? if so, why? |
| 00:22.38 | ssefa | stew: after # rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and $ startx, I get a blue screen for a few seconds, before being shot back to tty1, the following text: The X server is now disabled. Restart gdm when it is configured correctly. (by the way, the "ok" is messed up.. it's actually: <Okt^Q>) |
| 00:22.42 | linux_direction | stew: Okay. give me a sec to get my words together. |
| 00:23.00 | stew | ssefa: show is Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:23.28 | dvs | watches Xorg.0.log |
| 00:23.55 | ssefa | stew: do you know of a utility similar to wgetpaste? (wgetpaste doesn't seem to be available by apt-get) |
| 00:24.30 | ssefa | it's a utility to easily put things on pastebin sites (by cat file | wgetpaste -- and it'd spit back a URL with the paste) |
| 00:24.37 | stew | !pastebinit |
| 00:24.38 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 00:26.17 | ssefa | stew: http://pastebin.com/2W4Bvzu3 |
| 00:26.25 | linux_direction | stew: the video on the mobo is s3. install goes well except for when it gets to the full graphics screen/desktop. the OS is running. but Deb seems to lose its way to the S3 on the mobo. i have a s3 pci. when installed. everything is fine. |
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| 00:28.05 | linux_direction | i have tried puppylinux (for instance) during install it gives me the choice of Xorg or vesa. some how both options work with puppy. |
| 00:28.35 | linux_direction | without the need for my pci video card. |
| 00:29.08 | linux_direction | ubunutu gives me the same results as debian. |
| 00:30.34 | linux_direction | did i make sense? |
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| 00:31.37 | tonytraductor | so, two issues, restting x/screen res on one machine with changed monitor, and getting other machine to get eht0 up. |
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| 00:31.52 | tonytraductor | ani assistance will be deepli appreciated |
| 00:32.10 | tonytraductor | both machines running lenny |
| 00:33.21 | linux_direction | i wish i could help ya tonytraductor : ( |
| 00:34.26 | tonytraductor | ok, the one with connectiviti issues, it does dhcpdiscover like 8 times, then tells me it gets no offers |
| 00:34.54 | tonytraductor | wifi has been turned off on the router, and the onl other machine in the house connected now is this one (with bad resolution issues, but at least irssi in xterm works!) |
| 00:35.09 | linux_direction | are you able to test the dhco with a diffent machine than the one that can't get and address tonytraductor? |
| 00:35.36 | tonytraductor | clearli, the internet is working, or I wouldn't be ehre talking with u guys, so I don't understand why that machines gets no dhcp offers. |
| 00:35.36 | linux_direction | oh Okay. |
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| 00:35.50 | linux_direction | i see. yes. the machine you're on now right? |
| 00:36.18 | linux_direction | is via wire or wireless? |
| 00:36.26 | linux_direction | to the dhcp? |
| 00:36.31 | netkevin | I'm getting 404s from the US mirror. Anyone else? |
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| 00:36.41 | tonytraductor | this machine is connected fine (but resolution off, because I changed form mi 1680x1050 24inch monitor to a smaller monitor, so fonts are all huge and stuff, except in xterm, so i can use irssi) |
| 00:37.00 | tonytraductor | oh, it is via eth0 |
| 00:37.07 | dvs | netkevin: Accelerator did |
| 00:37.11 | linux_direction | oh Okay.] |
| 00:37.33 | linux_direction | is this connection you are on now, via wire or wireless? |
| 00:37.38 | tonytraductor | it couldn't get a dhcp offer during lenni install, so, after install I edited /etc/network/interfaces, gave it auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:38.08 | tonytraductor | but ifup eth0 is unproductive. tries dhcpdiscover like 8 times, then quits, says no dhcp offers. |
| 00:38.30 | tonytraductor | I had several computers connected and wifi on, but dumped the wifi and other computers. still no dhcp offers no that machine |
| 00:38.31 | niklaswe | tonytraductor: if you starting X from console you can try with this startx -- -dpi 96 |
| 00:38.47 | tonytraductor | no, I have gdm starting x |
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| 00:39.38 | niklaswe | tonytraductor: okey if you running gdmsetup or what then command is, you can change it there to, |
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| 00:39.44 | tonytraductor | for this machine (the bad res but good connectio) I did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and xrandr, all multiple times, no change |
| 00:39.47 | linux_direction | can you try this pc(you're on now) through the ether connection to test it? |
| 00:39.53 | netkevin | OK, not getting 404s anymore. I don't think I changed anything on my end. |
| 00:40.06 | tonytraductor | I also used the gui interface in xfce to alter monitor settings, still no good |
| 00:41.30 | tonytraductor | I'm more concerned with connecting the other machine. I caÅ't even effectiveli google anthing though, since this machine has bad resolution issues can't see anithing correctli (and no y key unless I stick m finger in the keboard!) |
| 00:41.41 | tonytraductor | fun fun! |
| 00:41.44 | tonytraductor | :) |
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| 00:41.49 | obnauticus | how do i enable ulimit? |
| 00:41.55 | obnauticus | so i can limit the number of processes a user can start |
| 00:42.07 | tonytraductor | but ever other machine int he house can connect, so I don't understand whi that one can't get a DHCP offer. |
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| 00:42.33 | tonytraductor | do I need to do soething to turn DCHP on? all I'm doing is ifup eth0 |
| 00:42.43 | linux_direction | sounds like its your router/modem problem. |
| 00:43.03 | tonytraductor | but like I said, in /etc/networking/interfaces I put auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:43.27 | tonytraductor | but everithing else connected to the router and modem connects fine, either wired or wifi |
| 00:43.29 | linux_direction | and i don't mean problem as in you modem is broken. may need to configured. |
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| 00:43.54 | linux_direction | but i thought you just said other machines "can't connect"? |
| 00:43.59 | tonytraductor | in fact, that machine is on the line this one was one for that past 3 uears without issue |
| 00:44.07 | tonytraductor | no, all these others are connecting fine |
| 00:44.18 | linux_direction | oh. sorry. |
| 00:44.38 | tonytraductor | I disconnected all but this one and that one, thinking I'd run out of DHCP leases or something, but that didn't change anithing (had to dump m daughter off W0W) |
| 00:45.18 | tonytraductor | disconnected wifi from m netbook and android, now onli two machines are connected to the router, this on which I am tping, and the one with connectiviti issue |
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| 00:46.22 | zvrk | tonytraductor, 2 systems are linux or another os |
| 00:47.04 | tonytraductor | everithing I use is debian/lenni, but mi kid just got a (BLECH) win7 machine from her mom for xmas |
| 00:47.12 | tonytraductor | I disconnected it |
| 00:47.16 | romel_ | hi guys. I want to create a custom debian image with a sshd included so I will be able to boot into this image through pxe boot then connect via ssh and do rest stuff such as creating md arrays and other |
| 00:47.22 | tonytraductor | (she was plaing wow) |
| 00:48.07 | linux_direction | so the machine with the connection issue is win7 tonytraductor? |
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| 00:49.16 | tonytraductor | no, the brand spanking new 2.8 duo core amd with 4gb ram, on which I just installed lenni |
| 00:49.26 | tonytraductor | here is preciseli what I get after ifup eth0: |
| 00:49.41 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: oh Okay. |
| 00:50.06 | tonytraductor | No DHCPOFFERS received / No working leases in persistent database - sleeping / grep: /etc/resolv.conf no such file or directory |
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| 00:50.33 | obnauticus | when is the limits.conf rehashed? when users reconnect |
| 00:50.35 | obnauticus | err |
| 00:50.37 | obnauticus | when users login* |
| 00:50.50 | tonytraductor | is this particulrali relevant, that I have no /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:51.03 | thewanderer1 | how do I use libvirt with OpenVZ on Debian? |
| 00:51.14 | tonytraductor | wow, I love tiping without a y key |
| 00:51.31 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: have you got or can you get a debian live cd that you could try on that machine? |
| 00:51.54 | tonytraductor | I hve the image in this machine |
| 00:52.05 | tonytraductor | or, I think I have one burnt up around here somewhere, even |
| 00:52.11 | linux_direction | oh man. im feeling for ya. |
| 00:52.12 | tonytraductor | the machines are in separate rooms |
| 00:52.22 | linux_direction | Okay |
| 00:52.30 | linux_direction | well id try the love cd. |
| 00:52.40 | linux_direction | see if that can connect to the router. |
| 00:53.15 | linux_direction | juz to make sure the connection can be made.(ya never know. could be a hardware issue. |
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| 00:54.13 | linux_direction | *live cd. but if anyones got a love cd, where can i get a copy ; p |
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| 00:57.25 | tonytraductor | seems I haev everuthing BUT a debian live disc (puppi, dsl, pslinuxos, ubuntu, blah blah). but I have the iso on this machine |
| 00:57.35 | linux_direction | hey |
| 00:57.44 | namidark|tux | Anyone familiar with this error? trying to configure 'interfaces' (reboot didnt help): https://skitch.com/joshren/rejs5/192.168.1.139 |
| 00:58.20 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: thats Okay. use the others. you just want to see if the machine can connect. to determine if its software or hardware issue |
| 00:59.06 | JoshH | namidark|tux: pastebin your interfaces file |
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| 00:59.33 | namidark|tux | JoshH: sorry doing this over remote desktop/vmware :( https://skitch.com/joshren/rejsx/192.168.1.139 |
| 01:00.06 | tonytraductor | 2I'm going to have to burn it from the command line (gui tools are useless until I resolve the resolution issue) |
| 01:00.21 | JoshH | namidark|tux: that ip isn't in the same subnet as your gateway or broadcast |
| 01:00.21 | tonytraductor | but I haven't burnt an iso from the command line probabli in 5 years. |
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| 01:00.37 | namidark|tux | JoshH: bah okay thats what i thought then waiting for DC to give me correct info |
| 01:00.42 | namidark|tux | JoshH: thanks! |
| 01:00.44 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: oh Okay. i cant help ya there. |
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| 01:01.05 | tonytraductor | oh, ok, I will attempt with ubuntu disk or something |
| 01:01.06 | tonytraductor | brb |
| 01:01.07 | JoshH | ya, once you get the addresses correct, it should work |
| 01:01.14 | linux_direction | im about 2weeks in with linux. |
| 01:01.21 | akos | Hello! I am creating a deb package using epm. Can anyone tell me how can I request input from the user in the post-install script? read will work, if installing from the command line, but will not work if installing from the gui (it freezez) |
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| 01:01.49 | deepy | Can I use FAT32 instead of ext3? |
| 01:02.09 | daemonkeeper | You should not prompt anything in postinst. This will break things as you found out. |
| 01:02.20 | daemonkeeper | If you really need to prompt something, use Debian's debconf system |
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| 01:02.43 | deepy | Apparently ext3 have problems with my SSD |
| 01:03.34 | thewanderer1 | deepy: use ext4 or sth... |
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| 01:03.45 | thewanderer1 | perhaps try xfs |
| 01:03.51 | akos | daemonkeeper, can you epand that thought a little bit? I am not familiar with the debian packaging system, as it is obvious |
| 01:04.09 | SpaceGhostC2C | Dearlawd, who said to use fat32 I hope they're trolling. |
| 01:04.16 | daemonkeeper | akos: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html |
| 01:04.39 | akos | thanks |
| 01:04.43 | linux_direction | SpaceGhostC2C: whats trolling? |
| 01:04.50 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: See ##linux |
| 01:05.12 | linux_direction | Okay. thanks |
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| 01:08.06 | linux_direction | is it possible to download older versions of Debian? |
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| 01:09.00 | tonytraductor | could ani of this issue have anithing to do with the fact that I did NOT run the disc that came with the mobo (Sistem utiliti DVD for AMD platform)? |
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| 01:10.08 | pipeline | tonytraductor: probably not |
| 01:10.50 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: don't forget im new. but i do know that you need the right version of linux for your machine type. egi386 or AMD ect. |
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| 01:11.26 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: Yeah. |
| 01:11.46 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: Why would you want an older version though? |
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| 01:12.40 | linux_direction | SpaceGhostC2C: i need to be able to select vesa, instead of X during install. |
| 01:13.09 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: You're confused. An older debian wouldn't solve that. |
| 01:13.20 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: And X isn't a kernel module for video. |
| 01:13.43 | linux_direction | Confued?.... Absolutely. |
| 01:13.57 | tonytraductor | well, this is mi fisrt AMD, and mi first dual core machine. but I installed from the same lenni xfce disk I used on this machine (3.2ghz celeron) |
| 01:14.00 | tonytraductor | was that bad? |
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| 01:14.03 | linux_direction | tonytraductor. maybe i should stand back. |
| 01:14.20 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: His issue isn't related to yours continue |
| 01:14.46 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: This isn't a forum or email, multiple discussions can take place. |
| 01:14.57 | SpaceGhostC2C | tonytraductor: What would be bad about it? |
| 01:14.59 | linux_direction | thanks SpaceGhostC2C. |
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| 01:16.52 | SuperAlekZ | is there a way to copy a user with all its settings? i want to copy "nobodyftp" and name the new one "nobodyftp2" |
| 01:16.56 | deepy | Can I somehow change FS of my install easily? |
| 01:17.16 | linux_direction | my issue SpaceGhostC2C: is that install goes great. but when it gets to the full graphics screen/desktop. deb can't seem to find my video. but puppy, DSL can. |
| 01:17.31 | thewanderer1 | SuperAlekZ: "all its settings" being what? |
| 01:17.32 | SpaceGhostC2C | SuperAlekZ: cp and chown? |
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| 01:17.51 | SuperAlekZ | thewanderer1: password, home-directory etc ;) |
| 01:17.54 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: You might want to specify vesa as a boot parameter. |
| 01:18.05 | SpaceGhostC2C | SuperAlekZ: Create user, copy files, chown files, done! |
| 01:18.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah, and copy group memberships and set the same password! |
| 01:18.33 | linux_direction | SpaceGhostC2C: and with pup and DSL. it not only gives me the option to choose between X and vesa. either option works. |
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| 01:18.54 | linux_direction | can i do that during installation? |
| 01:19.07 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: Do you need graphical to install? |
| 01:19.11 | SuperAlekZ | SpaceGhostC2C: but there's a setting that user has that i set for vsftpd but i don't know which it was :/ |
| 01:19.16 | ssefa | stew: are you there? everything okay? |
| 01:19.18 | SpaceGhostC2C | uses net install and can install desktop debian with the command line |
| 01:19.30 | SpaceGhostC2C | SuperAlekZ: Do you have root? |
| 01:19.37 | SpaceGhostC2C | Can't you just delve in and figure it out? |
| 01:19.45 | tonytraductor | I dno't know. is it the wrong lenny for my machine? |
| 01:19.45 | linux_direction | SpaceGhostC2C: no not to install. you know when install is nearly complete and you get a half graphics screen. |
| 01:19.57 | SpaceGhostC2C | Nope, I don't. |
| 01:20.10 | tonytraductor | It did seem to install without issue |
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| 01:20.20 | tonytraductor | well, except for networking failure |
| 01:20.24 | linux_direction | SpaceGhostC2C. thats as fas as i get. then i guess it switches to full graphics screen mode. and the screen goes blamk. |
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| 01:20.48 | linux_direction | i have a pci video card s3. and it works fine. |
| 01:20.58 | SpaceGhostC2C | linux_direction: Look up how to add vesa as a boot parameter in your grub bootloader |
| 01:21.17 | SpaceGhostC2C | I have to go... do creative things. |
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| 01:21.30 | linux_direction | Okay thanks SpaceGhostC2C |
| 01:21.44 | SuperAlekZ | lol :/ |
| 01:22.53 | linux_direction | hey tonytraductor. what's happened? did another flavour work? did you get that machine connected? |
| 01:23.05 | tonytraductor | hold on |
| 01:23.21 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: sure. |
| 01:23.32 | tonytraductor | still triing, it didn't want to boot from a cd, even though the bios was set to boot from the dvd drive first |
| 01:23.44 | tonytraductor | but it's coming up with ubuntu now (ver slow0 |
| 01:24.11 | linux_direction | oh Okay. but we still need to see if it will connect to the router. |
| 01:24.45 | tonytraductor | yes, it connected with ubuntu live disc |
| 01:25.04 | tonytraductor | I'm wondering if it's the resolution on this machine, or somethnig else |
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| 01:25.29 | linux_direction | well thats great news. |
| 01:25.41 | tonytraductor | everthing looks fine in chrome, but all menus, panels, gui window, other than chrome, eeverthing is huge. |
| 01:25.54 | tonytraductor | like my xfcepanel is 4 inches high right now |
| 01:25.55 | linux_direction | well. i can't really help you with that kind of stuff tonytraductor. |
| 01:26.13 | tonytraductor | ok, so the connection issue ont he other machine is not a hardware issue |
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| 01:26.29 | linux_direction | which is good to know. |
| 01:26.34 | tonytraductor | shall I gank that ubuntu disk and reboot to the REAL system again? (debian) |
| 01:26.53 | linux_direction | so maybe it is the version of Deb. wrong for your machine type. |
| 01:27.13 | linux_direction | yeah. giv it a go. |
| 01:27.32 | linux_direction | but i expect yo will still get the same problem. |
| 01:27.47 | linux_direction | the problem you are having is the OS, or components of it. |
| 01:27.50 | tonytraductor | oh...I should be using debian AMD64? is that it? |
| 01:28.01 | linux_direction | yes. |
| 01:28.01 | tonytraductor | doh |
| 01:28.08 | linux_direction | if you have an amd machine. |
| 01:28.14 | tonytraductor | ok, I will download that iso now on this celeron mchine |
| 01:28.15 | linux_direction | you must.(i think). |
| 01:28.22 | linux_direction | no worries.. |
| 01:28.28 | tonytraductor | now, if I could resolve the screen issue in this puppy... |
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| 01:29.06 | linux_direction | what is the specs for the PC with video probs? |
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| 01:31.43 | tonytraductor | christ, I can't even download the iso, because the popup window for downloads has text 10 feet high, and even alt-click to move the window around is not working. |
| 01:31.48 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: maybe you could try part of what was suggested to me. |
| 01:31.55 | tonytraductor | I have to resolve this display issue here |
| 01:32.07 | linux_direction | same me. |
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| 01:32.23 | tonytraductor | well, I assume that installing the correct iso will resolve the connectino issue on the other machine. |
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| 01:32.36 | linux_direction | it was suggested that i try and add vesa to my boot parameter. |
| 01:32.44 | tonytraductor | but I am having trouble doing anithing on this machine because of the screen issue |
| 01:32.46 | linux_direction | it should do. |
| 01:32.47 | tonytraductor | how is that done? |
| 01:33.02 | linux_direction | thats something i need to find out. |
| 01:33.21 | tonytraductor | do I edit somethign in grub.menu.list? |
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| 01:33.37 | linux_direction | my install goes fine. until the full graphics screen/desktop comes on. then i get no picture. |
| 01:33.57 | tonytraductor | the funni thing is, I used this monitor on this machine before, but like 3 years ago. I was using fedora then, or something, though |
| 01:34.00 | linux_direction | i really don't know. |
| 01:34.04 | tonytraductor | mabe ubuntu |
| 01:34.15 | linux_direction | oh Okay. |
| 01:34.23 | tonytraductor | I finall switched to debian 2 years ago, and haven't looked back |
| 01:34.31 | linux_direction | do yo have another monitor you could use in the mean time. |
| 01:34.43 | akos | daemonkeeper, is there an alternative to using debconf? It seems I can't include a debian/templates file into the package using epm. |
| 01:34.45 | tonytraductor | I used rh/fedora for 8 years, but got tired of yum breaking stuff, then tried a few others before finally coming home to debian |
| 01:35.40 | linux_direction | Cool tonytraductor. i have only just decided to mov from win to lin in the last 2weeks. but so far its been a F'n headache. |
| 01:35.44 | tonytraductor | ok, I have the iso downloading, just not to where I want it (going straight to /home, rather than m dir fullo isos) |
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| 01:35.59 | daemonkeeper | akos: Not that I'd know of. |
| 01:36.02 | tonytraductor | oh d00d...windows is so full of headaches... |
| 01:36.21 | linux_direction | yeah well sort of. |
| 01:36.24 | tonytraductor | you couldn't pa me to give up m linux and go back to windows...no way |
| 01:36.52 | akos | daemonkeeper, ok, thanks |
| 01:37.18 | tonytraductor | I have been using gnu/linux for over a decade now. I run a business from home. I couldn't afford the downtime, headaches, and licensing expense of windows |
| 01:37.53 | linux_direction | well. to me. time is one of the most precious of things. and for it to have taken me like 2 weeks, to try and set up a file server/storage. |
| 01:38.06 | linux_direction | is ridiculous. |
| 01:38.13 | tonytraductor | I might be having headaches today, but they'll be resolved today, and I won't hve ani more until I buy a new machine in 2 to 4 years! Once debian/stable is up an running, problems dno'texist! |
| 01:38.33 | linux_direction | yeah. well thats lucky for you. |
| 01:39.03 | linux_direction | to me. all this has taught me. or confirmed to me. is that you get what you pay for. |
| 01:39.28 | linux_direction | to set up a file ser/storage. and its like taken me 2 weeks. |
| 01:39.47 | linux_direction | to me, ive paid $2000 |
| 01:40.16 | linux_direction | when i could have paid $200. and the server be up in an hour. |
| 01:40.23 | tonytraductor | oh I took the video card out of this machine to put in the new one, and am using the onboard mobo video...that might be part of the difficulti...then again, I had only installed that vidcard when I had bought the bigger monitor, so I had previously used this monitor with the onboard mobo video, but I probabl changed somethings int he video cnofigs for the other card and monitor, and am having trouble moving them back |
| 01:41.04 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: yeah well thats the problem. |
| 01:41.17 | tonytraductor | if only I could remember what I changed... |
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| 01:41.45 | tonytraductor | I kind of hope she would automagically reconfigure herself...no such luck |
| 01:41.53 | linux_direction | : p yeah. i guess you must a little like me. arrrr I'll right it down later... |
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| 01:42.16 | linux_direction | will linux do that? |
| 01:42.24 | tonytraductor | well, that waas a couple of years ago. had i written it down, I would have lost the note by now. |
| 01:42.32 | linux_direction | yep. |
| 01:42.41 | tonytraductor | for somethings, yes. It will detect new hardware and adjust accordingly |
| 01:42.47 | linux_direction | pen and paper are so 1900's ; ) |
| 01:43.08 | tonytraductor | but when you hve manually screwed with stuff, like I have, sometimes not |
| 01:43.21 | linux_direction | yeah. im the same mate. |
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| 01:43.34 | linux_direction | look. |
| 01:43.44 | linux_direction | im having video issues too. |
| 01:43.48 | tonytraductor | crikey. I should have torrented this iso. |
| 01:43.53 | linux_direction | been here for few hours. |
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| 01:44.06 | linux_direction | do you think i will get my solution? |
| 01:44.10 | linux_direction | probably not. |
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| 01:44.32 | linux_direction | so as far as im concerned. this cost of this is going up and up. |
| 01:45.51 | linux_direction | the web and the links run you round in circles. |
| 01:46.08 | linux_direction | not very clear. especially to those new to the OS. |
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| 01:47.26 | linux_direction | tony how long have you spent trying to fix your two issues? |
| 01:47.27 | Accelerator | Okay, I have a problem. |
| 01:47.32 | Accelerator | I need to remove something |
| 01:47.37 | Accelerator | but it wants to remove other programs |
| 01:47.41 | Accelerator | How can I prevent it from doing that |
| 01:47.44 | Accelerator | (apt-get) |
| 01:48.10 | linux_direction | i wish i knew Accelerator : ( |
| 01:48.49 | Accelerator | There's no way..? |
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| 01:49.40 | linux_direction | Accelerator. um i just don't know. im totally new with linux. |
| 01:49.47 | Accelerator | Oh, alright, heh.. |
| 01:49.51 | Accelerator | Thanks anyways |
| 01:50.09 | linux_direction | but i think if i knew that. then i'd probably be able to fix my video issue. |
| 01:50.15 | linux_direction | You're Welcome |
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| 01:51.19 | playerh | Anybody know how to boot Lenny from USB? |
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| 01:53.06 | linux_direction | playerh: not me. |
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| 01:56.27 | Accelerator | Basically, this is the problem. I want everything php to be removed, but I don't want plesk being removed. http://pastie.org/1439083 |
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| 02:00.44 | playerh | linux_direction: well thats too bad |
| 02:00.45 | CarlFK | http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/i386/debian_lenny_i386_small.qcow2 has .de repos and I am guessing a de keyboard layout or something that moves the @ button. anyone know of a .us image? |
| 02:02.02 | linux_direction | playerh: you've lost me : ( |
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| 02:02.40 | Babbelaar | hi |
| 02:02.51 | Wildweasal | !unetbootin |
| 02:02.52 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
| 02:02.59 | linux_direction | hi Babbelaar |
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| 02:03.27 | Babbelaar | Hi, I'm actually writing an awk program and tried to go to the awk channels, got a suggestion to come here instead. |
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| 02:11.07 | tonytraductor | I don't think I want vesa, since that's for nvidia |
| 02:11.36 | tonytraductor | I think I want some generic ati driver or somethng, but I know I changed to something else to drive that big 24inch 1680x1050 monitor |
| 02:11.41 | linux_direction | tonytraductor: i thought. that vesa, is more for older machines/equipment. |
| 02:11.55 | Wildweasal | !vesa |
| 02:11.55 | dpkg | VESA stands for "Video Electronics Standards Association" and is a mode that can be used on video cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. Not accelerated. The vesa Xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-vesa package) is incompatible with <KMS>. |
| 02:12.03 | linux_direction | yeah. but it will give you a screen in which you can work with. |
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| 02:12.10 | linux_direction | Be Right Back |
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| 02:12.54 | tonytraductor | I might do freshinstall on this machine, anway, after I get the other up and running. I'll probably move this one to testing, or something |
| 02:13.00 | Wildweasal | vesa is basically the fallback driver to go to incase you cant get anything else to work, or just want to get something to work immediately without trying to find your card specific driver (this is as i understand it) |
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| 02:14.25 | linux_direction | thanks dpkg and Wildweasal. |
| 02:14.39 | tonytraductor | apparently I do have vesa stuff on this machine... |
| 02:14.52 | linux_direction | i am able to select vesa during install of deb5? |
| 02:14.54 | tonytraductor | I need to figure out how to identify what video driver is in use, and how to change it |
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| 02:15.38 | tonytraductor | I will be back |
| 02:15.43 | linux_direction | that should have been... am i able to select vesa during installion? |
| 02:16.04 | Wildweasal | when i was having problems with a certain machine i was having, i didnt prompt me to select vesa during the install, but i put "vesa" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 02:16.31 | doublehp_ | a tutorial says to terminate a minicom cession with ^Z; i am scripting the operation; what shall i 'send' to terminate the cession from script ? failed with ^Z \^Z \03 \04 ... what is the ASCII number for ^Z ? |
| 02:16.38 | playerh | linux_direction: how did I lose you? we never even began discussing anything LOL |
| 02:16.38 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: did you make that adjustment before or after install? |
| 02:16.45 | tonyb486 | How do I make an init script run first? |
| 02:16.50 | Wildweasal | <Ctrl>Z |
| 02:17.03 | Wildweasal | linux_direction: after install |
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| 02:17.32 | linux_direction | Wildweasal. damn. i lose my screen after completion of install. |
| 02:17.52 | doublehp_ | tonyb486: name it wisely |
| 02:17.54 | Babbelaar | hi, I have a question about the language awk. |
| 02:17.57 | linux_direction | playerh: you said something about too bad. |
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| 02:18.15 | linux_direction | for me that is. |
| 02:18.16 | CarlFK | doublehp_: 26 (no clue if that will help. but it is ^z) |
| 02:18.17 | Wildweasal | linux_direction: but if you are having video problems related to X, before you start messing with the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, make sure you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" first |
| 02:18.17 | doublehp_ | Wildweasal: runscript only accepts ASCII cars above 64 |
| 02:18.28 | Wildweasal | that maybe able to fix it |
| 02:18.30 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: 26, in which base ? |
| 02:18.41 | CarlFK | doublehp_: 10 |
| 02:18.50 | linux_direction | thanks Wildweasal. where can i get that. |
| 02:18.51 | tonyb486 | doublehp_: But isn't lsb dependency based? |
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| 02:19.13 | Wildweasal | doublehp_: press the "Ctrl" button and the "z" button at the same time |
| 02:19.35 | Wildweasal | that should stop it, unless i don't understand the question |
| 02:19.47 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: and just a note. puppy and DSL, give me an option to select xorg or vesa. ive tried both options and they both work fine |
| 02:19.53 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: so, that is ... 0x1Ah, so, ... \032 or \32o ? |
| 02:20.06 | doublehp_ | Wildweasal: please, read the question ! |
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| 02:21.03 | CarlFK | doublehp_: yep. >>> int('1A',16); 26 |
| 02:21.27 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: but thanks for giving me another avenue to go down. |
| 02:21.41 | playerh | linux_direction: hey so you have no idea how to set up Debian Lenny on a USB? |
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| 02:21.58 | Wildweasal | !usb install |
| 02:21.58 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:22.21 | martianlobster | i loaded up a set of packages I want to install with dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt; How do I tell apt to actually download them and do the work now? |
| 02:22.23 | CarlFK | someone set us up the usb |
| 02:22.24 | linux_direction | playerh: not really. im still trying to install to harddrive. |
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| 02:22.37 | linux_direction | but it can't be too much different to that. |
| 02:22.50 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: worked \o/ thank you so much :) now, how do I know ^Z is 26d ? |
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| 02:23.12 | Babbelaar | :) |
| 02:23.28 | Tanubis | Ok, I've got the following iptables command that's supposed to take connections coming in from myip on sourceport and forward them to destport. Anyone know what's wrong with my rule? iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s myip -i eth0 -p tcp --dport <sourceport> -j REDIRECT --to-port <destination> |
| 02:23.31 | playerh | linux_direction: I feel like a retard, seriously... I could probably just use parted magic |
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| 02:23.56 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: did not find any website about those ^ chars |
| 02:24.05 | linux_direction | playerh: look you're not the only one. how long have you been using linux? |
| 02:24.06 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: years i use ^C ... for example |
| 02:24.21 | awesome_guest | hey I want to start a daemon every time I log in. Should I just put "sudo /path/daemon" in /etc/rc.local? |
| 02:24.32 | linux_direction | i feel like im brain dead sometimes. |
| 02:24.35 | playerh | linux_direction: forever... |
| 02:24.38 | linux_direction | this stuff juz does me head in. |
| 02:24.44 | doublehp_ | CarlFK: oh ... ^A = 1, and ^Z=26 ? like order in alphabet ? |
| 02:24.44 | linux_direction | what? |
| 02:24.44 | playerh | linux_direction: Like... since 2000 or something |
| 02:24.56 | CarlFK | doublehp_: yep. |
| 02:25.03 | linux_direction | really? and you havent done a usb install? |
| 02:25.19 | playerh | linux_direction: originally I used Debian, but I had an optical drive then, now I don't... |
| 02:25.22 | linux_direction | sheeze. you must know a lot of other things then. ; ) |
| 02:25.52 | CarlFK | doublehp_: after a while you start memorizing.. then it is time to take up goat framing |
| 02:26.08 | linux_direction | well anyway playerh. Cool man. you must be satisfied with it all(linux). |
| 02:26.10 | Babbelaar | hi, I have a question that is actually about the language awk |
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| 02:26.47 | playerh | linux_direction: Yeah im satisfied... totally... I may have to fuck around a bit here and there but overall Its a more free and ethical way... |
| 02:26.52 | linux_direction | sorry Babbelaar. im a newbie. i wish i could help. |
| 02:26.58 | Babbelaar | ok |
| 02:27.02 | Babbelaar | well I am a newbie too. |
| 02:27.14 | playerh | What do you need Babb? |
| 02:27.28 | Babbelaar | not sure what I am doing when I try to program in awk |
| 02:27.35 | Babbelaar | thanks for asking |
| 02:27.39 | awesome_guest | is there a specific tasK? |
| 02:27.50 | Babbelaar | here is my code |
| 02:27.54 | awesome_guest | use like.. pastebin |
| 02:28.00 | Babbelaar | http://pastebin.com/nx7VCMhy |
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| 02:28.14 | linux_direction | yeah. well thats always a good thing playerh : ) |
| 02:28.46 | Babbelaar | and I get: awk: syntax error at source line 3108 source file KoreanMT.falsepileup |
| 02:28.46 | Babbelaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.46 | Babbelaar | 3107N- >>> |
| 02:28.46 | Babbelaar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.47 | linux_direction | playerh: free and ethical i mean : ) |
| 02:28.47 | Babbelaar | awk: bailing out at source line 16572 |
| 02:29.02 | Babbelaar | am I still on? |
| 02:29.11 | awesome_guest | there's no 3108 dude |
| 02:29.13 | linux_direction | yes Babbelaar : ) |
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| 02:29.20 | Babbelaar | said I pasted a bit too much in there |
| 02:30.09 | awesome_guest | usually a good strategy is to just start commenting stuff out until it executes |
| 02:30.46 | awesome_guest | if you tell me what line 3108 actually corresponds to I might be able to take a look lol |
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| 02:31.35 | Babbelaar | line 3107: |
| 02:32.12 | Babbelaar | 3107\tN\t\n |
| 02:32.20 | Babbelaar | 3108\tT\tT\n |
| 02:32.31 | Babbelaar | (the \t and \n are Tab and Newline delimitations) |
| 02:33.24 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: do you know if any previous versions of debian, gave the option to use vesa, during install? |
| 02:33.40 | awesome_guest | are you talking about the line inside the for loop? |
| 02:34.08 | awesome_guest | you should probably like.. look at the pastebin and tell me what line it is lol |
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| 02:36.16 | piklu | hello |
| 02:36.18 | piklu | guys |
| 02:36.27 | piklu | I lost my password to a virtual server |
| 02:36.41 | piklu | but i can access its disk |
| 02:36.44 | piklu | i lost root |
| 02:36.53 | piklu | so i can recover the password? |
| 02:37.49 | awesome_guest | how did you ssh to it lol |
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| 02:38.58 | piklu | no, I have the vhd file, of virtual server, I ll probably attach it as disk to another machine |
| 02:39.00 | piklu | than edit it |
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| 02:39.57 | eikenberry | piklu. If you have access to its 'disk' you should be able to mount it via another system and chroot to it. Then just passwd should work. |
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| 02:42.34 | Wildweasal | linux_direction: as far as i know, debian at least since lenny, attempts to autoconfigure your video during install and it does not ask you to choose |
| 02:42.39 | Babbelaar | awesome_gue, I don't know what line is causing the syntax error |
| 02:43.18 | Wildweasal | linux_direction: the only reason why i ever had a problem with it is because i had a weird onboard video that is notorious for problems |
| 02:43.50 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: oh Okay. thanks man. thanks for remembering me. i just got off the ph. and forgot all about my question. |
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| 02:44.25 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: oh Okay. well im installing on an old beast. |
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| 02:44.56 | thepro4ever | how do I install an ELF file? |
| 02:45.10 | thepro4ever | its an ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
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| 02:46.11 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: Deb5 installs and boots up no worries(except for the onboard video) i have installed it using a pci version of the mobo video(s3). |
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| 02:47.50 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: once installed. i can take out the pci card. and the machine boots up as it should(except for the video). i can access shares etc. |
| 02:48.08 | Babbelaar | anyway, I found my way around the error |
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| 02:48.59 | Wildweasal | linux_direction: sounds good, what kind of computer / mobo is it? (just out of curiousity) |
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| 02:49.26 | Name1ess | is there a specific chatroom where wine install.use is focused on? |
| 02:49.48 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: can you prvt me. i dont want to embarres myself ; p |
| 02:50.00 | linux_direction | Naaaaah juz kidding |
| 02:50.03 | linux_direction | its |
| 02:50.25 | linux_direction | a p2 200mhz 128 ram. 160gbhdd |
| 02:50.42 | linux_direction | Wildweasal. one moment. |
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| 02:51.07 | Wildweasal | gotta love linux, it makes anything usable again :) |
| 02:51.48 | linux_direction | can i prvt ya for a sec Wildweasal? |
| 02:51.58 | linux_direction | or you me? |
| 02:58.31 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: does ubunutu practises work with debian? |
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| 02:59.13 | Wildweasal | for the most part yes, if you are talking about third party applications |
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| 02:59.52 | linux_direction | oh Okay. someone suggestered i look in the area of "how to add vesa as a boot parameter" |
| 03:00.06 | linux_direction | i googled it. and i see ubunutu come up. |
| 03:00.23 | linux_direction | does debian have a section on this? |
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| 03:00.38 | linux_direction | "how to add vesa as a boot parameter" that is. |
| 03:01.21 | linux_direction | or should i be Okay, following what is said in references to ubuntu? |
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| 03:03.09 | Wildweasal | not too sure to be honest, finding debian specific stuff is definitely preferable, but in a bind it wont hurt to atleast try what the ubuntu guides say |
| 03:03.53 | linux_direction | Wildweasal: Okay. thanks for your henesty and advice : ) |
| 03:04.07 | linux_direction | *honesty |
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| 03:07.20 | linux_direction | im starved. Be Back Later |
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| 03:07.33 | tonytraductor | the problem with the display seems to not be specificall resolution. I think the resolution is correct...just all text in all gui windows, with the sole exception of xterm, is HUGE. text in chrome is also normal. every other gui element, and even roxterm, has HUGE text....it's the strangest thing. but it makes all gui windows (with the exception of xterm and chrome) too huge to be useful. |
| 03:08.03 | linux_direction | thanks room. and byeeee : ) |
| 03:08.07 | tonytraductor | but, for instance, the desktop wallpaper and icons appear to be of appropriate size. |
| 03:08.44 | tonytraductor | the xfce panel is like 4 inches high, but the icons in it are normal 28px icons. it's weird. |
| 03:09.10 | tonytraductor | also, the - [] X buttons on the top of windows look normal. |
| 03:10.03 | tonytraductor | I think this is wh Xorg -configure, dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and xrandr have all proved unproductive. the problem isn't resolution. but I didn't do anythin to mess with fonts, or anything, so I'm a bit lost. |
| 03:10.26 | tonytraductor | when I fall back to a bash prompt without X, everything looks normal, of course |
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| 03:11.21 | tonytraductor | I've tried every trick in the book to coax X into behaving, and it seems to make no difference. |
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| 03:12.51 | tonytraductor | for those who missed it earlier, I changed monitors, from a 24in 1680x1050 to a smaller 15in 1280x960 monitor, and m displa y is whacky. changed the resolution using the gui tools, using xrandr, etc., but the xfce panel is huge, all text too huge, excpet in chrome and xterm. this is on lenny |
| 03:13.13 | piklu | eikenberry : i need the password, reset would be bad option, i can get shadow file |
| 03:13.33 | tonytraductor | if I open thunar, the icons are normal size, the text is huge |
| 03:13.49 | tonytraductor | never seen anything like it in a decade of using linux |
| 03:14.09 | jimmybgood | tonytraductor: interesting problem. why not try messing with the fonts? i'm not familiar with xfce, but it must have font configuration |
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| 03:16.52 | tonytraductor | well, I can't mess with anything via the gui. the fonts are so huge all gui windows have been rendered useless |
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| 03:19.14 | tonytraductor | I read somewhere about someone having a similar problem in ubuntu and altering the dpi settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, but they weren't specific about how to do that...just said, alter the dpi settings in there. I see no mention of dpi inthe script, so no idea how I would go about that |
| 03:22.03 | jimmybgood | iwas just going to mention that. create a file .xserverrc in your home directory with: exec /usr/bin/X -dpi 80 -nolisten tcp "$@" |
| 03:22.44 | jimmybgood | the fewer dots per inch, the smaller the fonts chosen |
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| 03:30.19 | tonytraductor | well, I made that change the xserverrc, but can't restart X since I'm waiting for the amd64 iso to download |
| 03:30.54 | tonytraductor | the problem isn't just in xfce. it also occurs in openbox, lxde, and wmii, too |
| 03:31.23 | tonytraductor | oddly, the text in conky in openbox is normal, as is the text in the bottom of the screen in wmii |
| 03:31.39 | tonytraductor | haven't tried logging into dwm, but suspect I would see the same thing. |
| 03:32.15 | tonytraductor | in the gdm login screen, everything looks normal, until I try to change session or somethng, and the menus that come up, again, have the huge text |
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| 03:32.24 | tonytraductor | can't figure out what could have made any such alteration |
| 03:33.34 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: You could try Xorg --configure and see if that helps. (The xrandr stuff is after-the-fact per-user sorts of things.) |
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| 03:35.49 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: I just switched graphics cards and found that the defaults with the new card assumed I'd a lcd monitor but I have a crt. This made the aspect ratio wrong and left me with a 60hz flickery display. I had to make my own xorg.conf with a minimal stuff, just the monitor section that gave the correct horz and vert sync rangees and just enough screen and device sections to tie the monitor into the config X made up. |
| 03:35.59 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: For some reason my monitor did not auto-detect. |
| 03:36.06 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Anyhow, good luck. |
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| 03:44.04 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Oh, and the gdm is still wrong, but I don't care enough to add more info to my xorg.conf to fix it. |
| 03:44.45 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: I fixed the post-login screen with the gui tool (which probably uses xrandr) and that works fine. |
| 03:45.20 | stew | base_files in squeeze got updated. that's always exciting |
| 03:48.21 | jimmybgood | nice, I'm now running debian_version 6.0 |
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| 03:49.58 | kgoetz | is it possible to get a list of packages which build-dep on ant, or will i have to knock up a shell script? |
| 03:50.36 | stew | apt-rbdepends () { grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends "$1" -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources } |
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| 03:51.04 | stew | uh in bash you are going to want a semicolon before the } |
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| 03:51.31 | kgoetz | stew: thanks. i guess you've had that thought before *g* |
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| 04:22.17 | JasonWoof | can I get reportbug to automatically subscribe me to bugs I submit? |
| 04:24.14 | kgoetz | yeah, theres an option for the config file |
| 04:25.06 | un214 | shall I troll? |
| 04:30.58 | JasonWoof | wow, I think gnome-terminal froze |
| 04:31.42 | JasonWoof | I've got 8 gnome-terminals open, and I went to open another, and now none of them are painting |
| 04:34.22 | JasonWoof | well, that sucks, that was the parent tty for most of my apps. going to reboot now |
| 04:34.36 | JasonWoof | every app except pidgin by a strange coincidence |
| 04:35.23 | un214 | I prefer my parent to be a more reliable terminal |
| 04:35.24 | un214 | xterm |
| 04:35.47 | un214 | or just launch gui apps with nohup |
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| 04:40.29 | JasonWoof | I would _really_ like to know how to spawn programs from gnome-terminal so they don't die when I close the terminal |
| 04:41.04 | un214 | easy |
| 04:41.08 | un214 | nohup applicationname & |
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| 04:43.26 | JasonWoof | genious |
| 04:43.45 | JasonWoof | genius even :) |
| 04:43.58 | un214 | why is genious a fool with a good memory? |
| 04:44.25 | un214 | I actually answered your question twice, first time while waiting for you to reboot. |
| 04:44.39 | JasonWoof | sometimes timing is everything :) |
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| 04:52.46 | CyberDomovoy | i have a cable that is usb male at one end, rj45 male on the other end, i can see there are only 4 wires in it, could this be a serial cable? is it safe for me to cut the rj45 plug, plug the usb to my computer, and test the wires with a multimeter? |
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| 04:54.42 | CompWizdr | how many pins are on the end? |
| 04:54.53 | CompWizdr | APC uses a 10P10C cable for their ups's nowadays |
| 04:55.23 | CompWizdr | with 5 wires though, now that i look at it |
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| 05:00.35 | CyberDomovoy | CompWizdr> this cable comes from my UPS, MGE ellipse 1500, that's why i think it's serial. I should try to find the manual |
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| 05:03.13 | CompWizdr | the ups might just speak USB internally, so i'm thinking it's not really a serial connector |
| 05:03.23 | CompWizdr | otherwise they'd have to put a usb to serial adapter in the wire somewhere |
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| 05:14.00 | awesome_guest | hey, I'm trying to mount my /tmp in RAM.. is 500M enough? |
| 05:15.31 | namidark|tux | what package creates the /usr/local/mysql directories? |
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| 05:19.48 | metrix | I was thinking about upgrading my xen debian server host to debian testing after noticing the bug list is pretty low.. are there any outstanding issues with xen and debian testing? |
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| 05:31.58 | kgoetz | awesome_guest: how big is your /tmp? |
| 05:32.03 | kgoetz | surely thts the question |
| 05:32.11 | kgoetz | namidark|tux: nothing shipped by debian |
| 05:32.28 | awesome_guest | it's currently 512M |
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| 05:33.06 | kgoetz | i'm guessing that won't fit in a 500mb /tmp then... |
| 05:33.55 | awesome_guest | yeah guess not :) |
| 05:34.08 | kgoetz | :) |
| 05:36.00 | karlpinc | metrix: bugs.debian.org |
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| 05:43.59 | hiexpo | ? do i need all the cd'sto install deb |
| 05:45.41 | karlpinc | hiexpo: No. Just the netinstall. |
| 05:46.05 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Being new to debian you should know the following: |
| 05:46.13 | karlpinc | !tell hiexpo about overview |
| 05:46.17 | hiexpo | karlpinc, but than it can take awhile that way right ? |
| 05:46.39 | karlpinc | hiexpo: No. It's faster becase you download _only_ what's installed, instead of having stuff you don't use on a cd. |
| 05:47.02 | karlpinc | hiexpo: The only thing the cds/dvds are good for is if you'll be spending a lot of time without a net connection. |
| 05:47.31 | hiexpo | karlpinc, so the cds are ;ike the repos |
| 05:47.54 | hiexpo | ^like sorry |
| 05:48.01 | karlpinc | hiexpo: They are copies of them, yes. (Though they get stale, unlike the repos.) |
| 05:48.26 | karlpinc | hiexpo: If you want the repos you can mirror or using something like apt-cacher. |
| 05:48.41 | hiexpo | karlpinc, so there is like a minimal |
| 05:49.16 | karlpinc | hiexpo: ? |
| 05:49.31 | hiexpo | minimal install cd |
| 05:50.03 | karlpinc | hiexpo: That's the netinstall. It can install just the minimum necessary to install other stuff. (Which is always how I install.) |
| 05:50.52 | hiexpo | ok karlpinc kool time forme to backup stuff now thanx |
| 05:50.59 | karlpinc | hiexpo: (After the minimum, I install, say xorg and gnome and then whatever else I want.) It can be nice to use tasksel (which is what the installer uses) and install "the desktop". |
| 05:51.34 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Don't forget about those other repos that arn't available by default. You doing lenny or squeeze? |
| 05:51.57 | hiexpo | squeeze |
| 05:52.30 | karlpinc | !tell hiexpo about install squeeze |
| 05:53.37 | hiexpo | kool |
| 05:54.15 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Note that you don't get the same level of security support as with stable. (But the installer will support newer hardware, as will the stable kmuto installers.) |
| 05:54.47 | karlpinc | hiexpo: If you felt like it you could install stable. Debian has always upgraded from release to release easily. |
| 05:55.55 | hiexpo | karlpinc, so lenny is stable and squeeze not yet |
| 05:56.09 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Right |
| 05:56.15 | karlpinc | !tell hiexpo about guess the release date |
| 05:57.03 | hiexpo | ok got it |
| 05:57.04 | phorce1 | keeps a local binary-only mirror of the repos. I have a mirror on a local machine that I rsync to a portable drive to cary back and forth between locations to do installs and updates. It is currently 96GiB large with squeeze, lenny, and lenny-backports saved. A complete mirror is a waste for less than 4 or 5 machines though. |
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| 05:59.44 | phorce1 | apt-cacher or apt-proxy is better for a smaler home network |
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| 06:12.01 | bonjoyee | i have installed debian as a minimal system...is selinux and pulseaudio necessary to complete the functionality? |
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| 06:19.15 | tonytraductor | I figured out that the text issue I was having was somewhere in gdm, so I removed gdm, but now I can't get an option for wm when starting X. It always starts LXDE, when I' d rather have plain openbox (and still have the option of choosing xfce, wmii, or dwm, as well, which I also have installed). |
| 06:19.46 | tonytraductor | I' ve been digging around in X stuff, trying to figure out where the default setting for the wm is, so I can change it, but I'm not having much luck |
| 06:19.59 | tonytraductor | or how to choose a wm when starting x |
| 06:21.01 | tonytraductor | I tried to just start openbox, but as one might guess, it won't start without X started, first, but, of course, when I start X, it starts LXDE (which doesn' t use my openbox configs, and has extra panels and crap I don' t need). |
| 06:21.44 | tonytraductor | so, without gdm or kdm, how can I startx while choosing which wm to use? |
| 06:23.54 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: IIRC startx has a command line option for what program to run. RTFM. But there's stuff in /etc/X11/ ... somewhere. Historically you change ~/.Xsession (or maybe ~/.xsession). For some reason I can't get that to work. There's a "session" something in /etc/X11, but that might be gdm only. (I think so.) |
| 06:24.46 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: What are you trying to do? Why don't you want a *dm? |
| 06:24.58 | tonytraductor | oh, I'm googling now, and I see I can edit ~/xinitrc, or something |
| 06:25.27 | tonytraductor | gdm was screwing up font sizes, so I removed, and I don't want any KDE crap on here, so won't use KDM |
| 06:25.28 | antivigilante | can anybody pull up www.kiarchive.ru? |
| 06:26.20 | antivigilante | gnome won't even install for me :/ |
| 06:26.23 | karlpinc | antivigilante: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 06:26.43 | karlpinc | antivigilante: What version of debian? Have you tried another mirror? |
| 06:27.03 | tonytraductor | Ibrb |
| 06:27.10 | phorce1 | tonytraductor: to set a default for startx change the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager link to point to your choice |
| 06:27.11 | karlpinc | tonyb486: There's also xdm... |
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| 06:27.24 | karlpinc | phorce1: How sane. |
| 06:28.08 | antivigilante | it's down for everyone |
| 06:28.52 | antivigilante | debian 6.0 netinstall |
| 06:29.02 | antivigilante | with updates |
| 06:29.31 | antivigilante | gnome claims that the power manager didn't install correctly |
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| 06:29.43 | antivigilante | i need 6.0 to have my wifi |
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| 06:33.08 | coolguy4 | hello, in nano can I move the cursor to the next/last word boundary? Like at the terminal, I can press ctrl-[left-arrow] to move the cursor left to the last word boundary. |
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| 06:36.20 | tonytraductor | creating a .xinitrc seems to have worked fine. |
| 06:37.26 | tonytraductor | I got it to offer me xfce, openbox, or wmii. started openbox, although, it did not use the autostart.sh in my ~/.config/openbox (but DID use my rc.xml, because my keyboard shortcuts are working...weird). |
| 06:37.36 | tharkun | Does changing the file /etc/debian_version from squeeze/sid to 6.0 means that squeeze will be released in a few weeks time? |
| 06:37.38 | tonytraductor | just means I had to start conky and xscreensaver by hand |
| 06:37.56 | tonytraductor | now back to installing lenny on the new machine! |
| 06:38.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need some help copying a filessytem from a broken one to a new one.. |
| 06:38.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | broken HD that is |
| 06:38.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried to install ddrescue but that didnt work |
| 06:38.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i just use dd? |
| 06:38.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | would that keep my grub and date intact? |
| 06:38.45 | tonytraductor | okay, that one has been on starting up partitioner / detecting file systems for near an hour now, without moving...is that bad? |
| 06:38.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | data |
| 06:39.02 | tonytraductor | it's the amd64 install |
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| 06:55.06 | tonytraductor | perhaps I should be more specific, since there seems to have been a shift change since I was in here earlier. I tried to install vanila lenny on an AMD dual core machine and had issues (duh...I never had an amd or dual core before). So I downloaded the am64 iso and am trying to install it now. It got to partitioning: starting the partitioner / detecting file systems, with the progress bar about 70% done pretty quick, but hs been stu |
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| 06:56.16 | cast | you got cutoff |
| 06:56.48 | phorce1 | tonytraductor: to set a default for startx globally change the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager link to point to your choice |
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| 06:57.07 | Jezek | how do i use openssl with debian |
| 06:57.32 | cast | Jezek: man openssl, after installing the openssl package |
| 06:57.53 | cast | Jezek: to install it, man aptitude |
| 06:58.13 | Jezek | how do i get out of the manual |
| 06:58.39 | Jezek | it says Manual page openssl line ?/? (END) |
| 06:58.57 | cast | q |
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| 06:59.41 | cast | what do you want to do with openssl? |
| 06:59.46 | Jezek | if i run openssl and it returns something does that mean it works |
| 06:59.48 | cast | it's non-trivial to use |
| 06:59.57 | Jezek | well |
| 07:00.09 | Jezek | there is some oauth extension that says it needs it |
| 07:00.14 | cast | it means part of it works. |
| 07:00.29 | Jezek | code.42dh.com/oauth/ |
| 07:00.58 | Jezek | does that mean the php extension is installed or is that something else? |
| 07:01.23 | cast | no idea. i don't do php. nor know what oauth is |
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| 07:02.03 | phorce1 | Jezek: if you didn't know how to use a man page the you should probably |
| 07:02.08 | phorce1 | !fundamentals |
| 07:02.08 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 07:02.15 | phorce1 | !ewbiedoc |
| 07:02.19 | phorce1 | !newbiedoc |
| 07:02.19 | dpkg | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 07:02.22 | trebuchet | cast: Don't you mean info openssl? |
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| 07:02.35 | cast | trebuchet: no. |
| 07:02.55 | trebuchet | well gnuevermind then |
| 07:03.28 | Jezek | i just didnt know the quit command |
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| 07:04.34 | phorce1 | you didn't know the "man" command either or you would have already been familiar with it and how to quit out of it |
| 07:04.49 | phorce1 | anyway |
| 07:05.04 | phorce1 | is starting to sound like a cranky old man --- bedtime |
| 07:06.17 | hiexpo | step 1 learn linux step 2 learn internet step 3 learn google step 4 < read all steps to learn |
| 07:06.47 | cast | we have other kernels, too |
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| 07:25.32 | Jezek | not applicaple |
| 07:25.36 | Jezek | applicable |
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| 07:31.24 | Guest84190 | I run debian squeeze amd64 on an atom dell - I want to create a usb bootable stick so I can install daily squeeze - can anyone help |
| 07:31.55 | cast | sure, that's described in the installation docs |
| 07:32.07 | WormFood | why would xulrunner-stub be sucking up over 2 gigs of ram, when I just have a handfull of pages open? |
| 07:32.26 | cast | "because it sucks" |
| 07:32.41 | WormFood | that is the obvious answer |
| 07:32.50 | cast | are the pages 500mb each |
| 07:33.08 | WormFood | I think maybe microsoft had planted some "programmers" in that project |
| 07:33.22 | cast | maybe they embedded a java app in it |
| 07:33.30 | WormFood | just blew me away it was suckin' up that much ram |
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| 07:53.22 | CyberDomovoy | i'm about to transfer my /home to another partition, i think about "rsync -aAE /home/ /mnt/new_home", does this seem correct? do i need more rsync options? |
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| 08:05.30 | cisc0ninja | anyone up? |
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| 08:05.53 | cast | no. |
| 08:06.16 | cisc0ninja | let me ask a more specific question...anyone familiar w/debian on sparc? |
| 08:06.17 | streuner__ | dpkg, listkeys multiple |
| 08:06.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'multiple' by key (5): gpg sign multiple files ;; multiple ask ;; multiple keyboard layouts ;; multiple default gw ;; x-multiple #del#. |
| 08:06.28 | streuner__ | dpkg, multiple ask |
| 08:06.28 | dpkg | The chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and OFTC at the same time; there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying. See <hurry> <cross post>. |
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| 08:07.05 | jelly-home | !tell cisc0ninja about sparc |
| 08:08.04 | cisc0ninja | what did you say not? |
| 08:08.06 | cisc0ninja | anyways, ty |
| 08:08.09 | cisc0ninja | take care |
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| 08:16.06 | antivigilante | all my downloads get as group fuse |
| 08:16.22 | antivigilante | how do I stop this behavior |
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| 08:17.27 | sweetandy | I was going to ask a question about my keyboard not repeating characters when a key is held, but turning the option off and on again solved it. |
| 08:17.33 | sweetandy | Carry on. |
| 08:18.59 | cahoot | sweetandy: could you please repeat that? |
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| 08:21.35 | cast | antivigilante: change your primary group i wonder |
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| 08:27.07 | coolguy4 | Hi, I'm trying to compile something from source, and I get a message saying make[1]: g++: Command not found . But gcc-4.1 is installed. |
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| 08:28.26 | JasonWoof | coolguy4: my /usr/bin/g++ is installed by the package g++ |
| 08:28.35 | JasonWoof | coolguy4: apt-get install g++ |
| 08:30.18 | JasonWoof | coolguy4: wait, g++ is required by build-essential. you should: apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:31.02 | coolguy4 | thank you JasonWoof |
| 08:31.06 | JasonWoof | np |
| 08:31.11 | cast | build-essential sure is handy |
| 08:31.29 | JasonWoof | "apt-get build-dep" (which is awesome) assumes you've got build-essential installed |
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| 08:40.43 | simonrvn | coolguy4: gcc is not g++ |
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| 08:45.45 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. I am planning to move from ubuntu to debian (one year ago it was only windows). With ubuntu, using apparmor, I am running firefox+flash (installed only for that used). My concerns are only flash and skype. What could be my options in debian? I am not asking for apparmor replacement. I am asking - how one who knows better what is available in linux world will handle that problem. |
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| 08:47.25 | cast | adobe flash is shit, and should be avoided |
| 08:47.35 | mmm4m5m | true but... |
| 08:48.03 | cast | skype has some impressive reverse engineering countermeasures, but should also be avoided |
| 08:48.27 | simonrvn | nothing prevents you from installing them and using them. you won't find those PoS in the repos though. |
| 08:48.58 | coolguy4 | cast: what would you use instead of skype? |
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| 08:49.24 | simonrvn | skype for one is also unstable, more so than my frankenstein sid box. |
| 08:49.40 | antivigilante | you can't at the moment connect to skype users outside of skype |
| 08:49.57 | coolguy4 | I know skype sucks |
| 08:50.07 | antivigilante | all the im systems require it as a helper |
| 08:50.12 | mmm4m5m | It is both - home and work PC - my full time PC. Sometimes I really need to run adobe flash. I simply want to protect it with chroot, jail, sandbox - whatever (I do not understand all of these) |
| 08:50.27 | simonrvn | (once my workstation got a new psu ;) |
| 08:50.51 | antivigilante | what sux is that there is no ekiga directory function |
| 08:50.52 | simonrvn | don't use what you don't understand. |
| 08:51.15 | antivigilante | i use the debian-multimedia repo for flash |
| 08:51.27 | sweetandy | I'm in love with Debian |
| 08:51.36 | antivigilante | cast: i'm not in the fuse group at all |
| 08:52.35 | cast | antivigilante: oh, so touch /var/tmp/f1 && ls -l /var/tmp/f1 shows fuse? |
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| 08:55.48 | antivigilante | yup |
| 08:55.59 | cast | beats me! |
| 08:56.09 | hatter_ | i have a md device i want to mount to get data off, is it safe to create an array with '-n' number as '1' ? |
| 08:56.25 | antivigilante | it seems i'm not in the antivigilante group either! |
| 08:56.49 | simonrvn | hatter_: you could mount it as is |
| 08:57.13 | hatter_ | simonrvn, it is not currently part of the array |
| 08:57.49 | simonrvn | mount the partition as if it wasn't part of one |
| 08:58.15 | cast | we're presuming its a mirror? |
| 08:58.34 | hatter_ | simonrvn, it says 'mount: unknown filesystem type 'mdraid' |
| 08:58.40 | simonrvn | something like a non-0 raid 1 would work |
| 08:59.01 | cast | hatter_: you could use losetup with an offset |
| 08:59.02 | simonrvn | um, what's the fs on the partition? |
| 08:59.18 | cast | [to skip past the mdadm metadata] |
| 08:59.21 | simonrvn | use that. mdraid isn't a fs. |
| 08:59.40 | simonrvn | softraid is metadata. |
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| 09:00.37 | hatter_ | simonrvn, its ext3 |
| 09:01.08 | hatter_ | simonrvn, also, the superblock is broken |
| 09:01.36 | hatter_ | i can mount the other partitions by using, mdadm assemble with the uuid |
| 09:01.47 | jelly-home | hatter_: pastebin the output of mdadm --examine --scan --verbose, please |
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| 09:02.12 | simonrvn | aah well, so use a secondary one |
| 09:02.27 | simonrvn | or listen to my friend jelly-home here |
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| 09:02.52 | antivigilante | fuse by some odd setting was the primary |
| 09:03.22 | hatter_ | http://pastebin.com/CZPu0ZJE |
| 09:03.25 | cast | simonrvn: i don't understand how one would mount the FS with the mdadm superblock at the start, unless the filesystem driver was expecting it there i would have thought it would look for its internal structures, find mdadm junk at the start of the partition, and bail |
| 09:03.36 | jelly-home | mdadm, bless them, has a number of different metadata formats, some at the beginning, some at the end of the member block device |
| 09:04.04 | hatter_ | i think i should be able to create a new md* then add it then mount it |
| 09:04.05 | simonrvn | cast: dunno, i managed to mount a raid 1 without anything special and use it as is. |
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| 09:04.40 | cast | ahh, perhaps it was as jelly-home has mentioned, with the the metadata at the end |
| 09:04.40 | hatter_ | simonrvn, that has worked for me with the disk on the same box |
| 09:04.47 | simonrvn | the authors had foresight and were thoughtful in their design. |
| 09:04.56 | hatter_ | i cant use assemble without the uuid |
| 09:05.09 | jelly-home | hatter_: which one are you trying to mount? |
| 09:05.18 | hatter_ | jelly-home, /dev/sc7 |
| 09:05.20 | hatter_ | oops |
| 09:05.21 | jelly-home | hatter_: some of the sdc stuff I presume? |
| 09:05.23 | hatter_ | /dev/sdc7 |
| 09:05.26 | dserban | remind me where I set options for modules under squeeze? ie. create a file, with options blah=2/ |
| 09:05.27 | dserban | ? |
| 09:05.53 | hatter_ | which isnt there because it doesnt have an md superblock |
| 09:06.28 | hatter_ | mdadm --examine /dev/sdc7 = mdadm: no md superblock detected on /dev/sdc7 |
| 09:06.48 | simonrvn | dserban: /etc/modules |
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| 09:07.16 | jelly-home | hatter_: so something ate up your mdadm metadata on that device. You're really going to have to dig for an offset. |
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| 09:07.44 | hatter_ | jelly-home, i think i should be able to create a new md device and add /dev/sdc7 ? |
| 09:07.48 | dserban | uhmm, you sure? wouldn't I declare the module to be loaded with the options? Then I'd get errors on boot that it's already loaded wouldn't I? |
| 09:07.53 | jelly-home | hatter_: don't. |
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| 09:08.25 | jelly-home | hatter_: writing on sdc7, if you don't know exactly which metadata format had been used before, would not be wise |
| 09:08.34 | hatter_ | jelly-home, what else do you suggest ? |
| 09:08.39 | cast | i recently completely raped my mdadm raid1/lvm setup, that was fun recovering from that :) |
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| 09:09.09 | cast | hatter_: find out what FS it was, then search for bytes indicating that FS |
| 09:09.12 | jelly-home | hatter_: use gpart or a similar tool to find the filesystem beginning on sdc7 |
| 09:09.18 | hatter_ | cast, it was ext3 |
| 09:09.49 | simonrvn | dserban: yes, the options are set at load time |
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| 09:10.11 | simonrvn | you can't pass options to a kernel mod post-loading |
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| 09:10.58 | hatter_ | is there another way to find out the uuid ? |
| 09:11.11 | hatter_ | are there backup md superblocks ? |
| 09:11.16 | dserban | simonrvn, I know =D, just thought the mechanism changed a while back, where you'd have options files usually named by the module name. Then whatever hotplug event decided to load the module, would load it with those options. |
| 09:11.22 | dserban | I'll go do what you said though |
| 09:11.28 | jelly-home | hatter_: there's one on the missing sdd disk ;-) |
| 09:11.51 | hatter_ | jelly-home, yes :( which is 30 minutes drive away... (and closed) |
| 09:12.08 | jelly-home | hatter_: ARRAY /dev/md4 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=e57dc512:fcf98a61:1d34436b:bbb06310 \n devices=8:39 <- 8:39 is /dev/sdc7 |
| 09:12.53 | simonrvn | dserban: ah yeh, well the requirement is the same, in hotplugging; you still have to pass the mod args at load time. i imagine you'd use a file in /etc/hotplug/ or such |
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| 09:13.22 | hatter_ | jelly-home, i tried that, that uuid is for the pair, not for the individual partition |
| 09:13.23 | simonrvn | or /etc/modprobe.d |
| 09:13.30 | dserban | aha! that's it... |
| 09:13.33 | dserban | modprobe |
| 09:13.39 | dserban | <-- duh |
| 09:14.13 | jelly-home | hatter_: what uuid are you looking for then, and to what purpose? |
| 09:15.28 | hatter_ | jelly-home, you are right, the uuid is the same for both partitions, however using that uuid didn't work. |
| 09:15.41 | hatter_ | with : mdadm --assemble |
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| 09:16.31 | hatter_ | i get this : mdadm: /dev/md20 assembled from 0 drives - not enough to start the array. |
| 09:16.53 | hatter_ | however it worked fine for the other partitions which have valid mdadm superblocks |
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| 09:18.34 | jelly-home | this one doesn't. Either find an array member with a valid superblock, or hunt for data manually |
| 09:19.31 | hatter_ | so a backup ext3 superblock won't help me ? |
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| 09:19.57 | jelly-home | why bother with it if you may have a better copy half an hour drive away? |
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| 09:20.37 | hatter_ | jelly-home, what is half an hour away is a faulty hard drive also, however i thought i could get the uuid off it, though now i have the uuid |
| 09:20.52 | nkuttler | hrm, in the installer, if i pick the option one / and home /home/ partition, does the installer create the partitions automatically? |
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| 09:21.22 | nkuttler | should have picked the expert option.. |
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| 09:21.31 | jelly-home | hatter_: I still don't understand what would you do with that uuid, and which uuid you are refering to, md array uuid, or filesystem uuid |
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| 09:22.07 | hatter_ | maybe explore2fs would work under windows... |
| 09:22.38 | jelly-home | hatter_: use gpart to hunt for a supoerblock, if that's what you're going to do |
| 09:22.53 | hatter_ | jelly-home, this allowed me access to the other partitions : mdadm --assemble /dev/md7 --uuid=e57dc...etc |
| 09:23.09 | hatter_ | jelly-home, ok, i will try that |
| 09:25.03 | vlt | Hello. How can I disable the (ext3) file system check when mounting after X days not checked? Is this a /etc/fstab setting or a task for tune2fs? |
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| 09:29.49 | jelly-home | vlt: tune2fs |
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| 09:30.03 | vlt | jelly-home: Thanks. "-i 0 and -c 0"? |
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| 09:30.26 | jelly-home | vlt: if you also want to disable check after Y mounts, yes |
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| 09:31.08 | vlt | jelly-home: Thank you. |
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| 10:23.51 | sy | is working on the future debian Barbie release |
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| 10:28.35 | sy | geez |
| 10:28.51 | sy | a frozen squeeze |
| 10:29.02 | sy | this could be good |
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| 10:29.30 | cast | tries to remember the debian variant that had porn in the repos |
| 10:29.41 | sy | we shou;d have skipped over lenny entirely |
| 10:29.53 | cahoot | the correct quote would be: 'Jeez I can't find my knees' |
| 10:31.37 | sy | your knees are inside the knee pads you have to wear because you get down on your knees so often |
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| 10:32.23 | LoneShadow | Hi, Is Squeeze expected to be released in the next couple of months? |
| 10:32.35 | cast | maybe |
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| 10:34.58 | CyberDomovoy | if i reboot in recovery mode, i'll be in init level 1, and / will be mounted read-only, right? |
| 10:35.52 | kgoetz | yup |
| 10:36.20 | kgoetz | dpkg: tell LoneShadow about wwsr |
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| 10:45.20 | LoneShadow | kgoetz: Thanks |
| 10:46.27 | kgoetz | LoneShadow: np |
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| 10:57.23 | sy | how unstable is unstable ? |
| 10:57.40 | sy | are there safe times to update ? |
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| 10:59.53 | cast | sy: unstable enough that few people in this room will suggest you use it with questions like that |
| 10:59.54 | abrotman | sy: if you have to ask that, then no |
| 11:00.46 | k4z | Hi, I have a problem with my Webcam Creative Vista VF0010 - in lsusb - the webcam is detected OK, but in dmesg I see error: gspca: [spca5xx_set_light_freq:1932] Sensor currently not support light frequency banding filters. Can anyone help? |
| 11:01.27 | cahoot | the gspca devs? |
| 11:01.40 | k4z | yes, i`m using gspca |
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| 11:02.29 | cahoot | k4z: I'd google on it's usbid |
| 11:02.45 | cahoot | lsusb to find that |
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| 11:03.06 | OrigenAG | Hi All, I have a RAID 5 array using hardware RAID with a logical volume which I then mount. I'm looking at add a second RAID5 array on a second RAID card for more space. Is it dangerous to add this as another physical disk and expand my logical volume? |
| 11:03.33 | k4z | cahoot: I googled, many people have the same problem, but nobody answered |
| 11:04.18 | cahoot | seems to me the device has incomplete support in your version of gspca |
| 11:04.21 | CyberDomovoy | i need to mount my root filesystem read-only, i tried rebooting in recovery mode, but it is still read-write, it even mount everything that is in fstab. i tried "mount -o remount,ro /", of course it tells me that / is busy. How can i do? |
| 11:05.00 | cast | a debian-live cd/usb seems easy :) |
| 11:05.01 | k4z | cahoot: you may be right.. |
| 11:05.01 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: put ro flag in fstab |
| 11:05.11 | cahoot | k4z: no comment about your device from the gspca devoper(s)? |
| 11:05.23 | cahoot | developer |
| 11:05.33 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> no other way? this won't be a permanent setup, i'd like to do it just once |
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| 11:05.56 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: you can as well change your init program: init=/bin/bash ro |
| 11:06.05 | thewanderer1 | and init will not be executed so fstab won't be parsed |
| 11:06.24 | cast | OrigenAG: well, its not as safe as it could be, a failure of either controller will hurt your data, but its your data...you know how important it is. it might be fine :) |
| 11:06.47 | k4z | cahoot: I will look for it.. |
| 11:07.10 | cast | OrigenAG: i wouldn't run RAID5 without a hot spare |
| 11:07.37 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: another option is building a custom initramfs with hacked scripts that replace your fstab just before pivot_root |
| 11:07.41 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> i was thinking that recovery mode would mount only what is needed (/, and maybe /usr and such), and that it would to it read-only, isn't that the main purpose of recovery mode? |
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| 11:08.10 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: no, recovery mode is only supposed to not start non-essential services - it simply boots into runlevel S instead of runlevel 2 |
| 11:08.46 | k4z | cahoot: do you know any camera model, whithout install problems on debian? |
| 11:09.27 | cahoot | k4z: I've got a logitech 5000 - uses usbvideo, runs fine |
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| 11:09.43 | cahoot | a bit old now I guess |
| 11:09.43 | k4z | cahoot: OK, thank You |
| 11:10.22 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> hmmm, so this is more a "minimal mode" than a recovery... IMHO "recovery" means "i'll assume something is bad with your system, so i won't do anything that could be harmfull, like mounting a partition rw", but this is only my opinion... so lets change fstab then |
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| 11:10.39 | cahoot | k4z: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/#devices |
| 11:11.33 | k4z | cahoot: thx |
| 11:11.34 | thewanderer1 | CyberDomovoy: this option used to be called "(single-user)" instead of "(recovery mode)" but someone thought it would look nicer if it resembled Windows' naming convention... anyway, make a backup of fstab and be ready to remount root as rw before rebooting and restore original fstab |
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| 11:12.21 | CyberDomovoy | thewanderer1> i see, i remember now that "single-user", makes more sense to me... thanks for the info |
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| 11:14.49 | abrotman | eh .. he could have mounted / ro from the bootloader? |
| 11:15.21 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: no, the init scripts remount root as rw so he'd have to replace init=/bin/bash for example, as I suggested earlier |
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| 11:15.47 | abrotman | and? |
| 11:16.05 | thewanderer1 | and he somehow disliked the idea so he choosed to alter fstab for a moment |
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| 11:16.56 | thewanderer1 | I think he needed init to actually go through the scripts |
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| 11:19.47 | OrigenAG | cast: Thanks for the response. Say I have two hardware RAID5 sets running as a single logical volume. What would likely happen to my data if a single controller failed but the disks remain intact? |
| 11:20.27 | OrigenAG | Other option is JBOB and move to mdadm to manage the array |
| 11:20.31 | cast | you lose the LV until you replace the controller |
| 11:21.04 | cast | i like mdadm due to the ease of moving disks between machines |
| 11:21.37 | jelly-home | however, mdadm has complex hotplug procedures |
| 11:21.42 | OrigenAG | I'm after the simplest solution to minimise risk |
| 11:22.01 | cast | i imagine you coudl get better performance than a concat of two raid5 arrays, but i've never tested |
| 11:22.51 | thewanderer1 | mdadm gets problematic with bootloaders at times |
| 11:23.03 | thewanderer1 | booting GRUB from such setup could be a challenge |
| 11:23.10 | jelly-home | cast: raid50 implemented as hw raid5 and lvm or md raid0 over it? :-) |
| 11:23.19 | OrigenAG | I could also simply go 50-50 and mount each volume independently so if one dies half the data will be available but it just seems like a lot of hassle with managing space and mount points |
| 11:23.29 | jelly-home | er, s/lvm/dm/ |
| 11:24.14 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: thats' worked around by either having a separate system disk(array), or a separate /boot |
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| 11:25.34 | OrigenAG | In my case the OS runs on separate mirrored array |
| 11:25.51 | cast | i do think sw raid is a tad bit more complex than dealing with a single raid card, but given you end up if you have a few boxes often with N different raid cards, all requiring you to install their management utilities and work out how to use them..etc...at least mdadm is consistant and well understood by everyone :) |
| 11:26.02 | jelly-home | OrigenAG: Re: mountpoint, I have 8 of those for user data on a machine, primarily because ext3 sucks with fsck and backup times |
| 11:26.14 | thewanderer1 | OrigenAG: do you have hardware RAID controllers, or fakeraid? |
| 11:26.51 | OrigenAG | thewanderer1: hardware RAID (LSI 8708) |
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| 11:28.02 | thewanderer1 | so it's not a fakeraid? |
| 11:29.43 | thewanderer1 | if it's a real hardware RAID controller, you might get poorer performance when the CPU manages the RAID and not the controller itself |
| 11:29.51 | OrigenAG | To make sure we have the same terminology I assume fakeraid refers to offloading the RAID to the host CPU as oppose to the controlleR? |
| 11:29.57 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
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| 11:30.19 | cast | wonders how main times you get better performance with sw raid |
| 11:30.21 | OrigenAG | In that case its real RAID, the controller handles the processing |
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| 11:30.26 | cast | s/main/many |
| 11:30.48 | thewanderer1 | if it has a battery backing unit, too, then the question is kind of closed |
| 11:30.59 | OrigenAG | It does yes |
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| 11:31.54 | thewanderer1 | then mdraid lacks when compared to it, so if you value reliability, you probably shouldn't migrate to mdraid |
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| 11:32.36 | thewanderer1 | of course when a controller fails, you'll have to replace it before using the data, so if you expect a controller to fail, better make a second VG from the separate PV and divide data |
| 11:32.50 | thewanderer1 | but how often do RAID controllers fail? :P |
| 11:33.18 | jelly-home | often enough |
| 11:33.49 | jelly-home | keep a spare controller if your system needs to be up in under 24hours |
| 11:33.50 | OrigenAG | I suppose what I need to clarify to feel comfortable is if I add the new controller RAID5 set to a volume group and expand my logical volume and 1 controller dies will that volume simply become read only or do I risk corruption as someone could keep writing to it? |
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| 11:34.58 | jelly-home | that's a good question, probably needs to be asked in #lvm channel about what happens when a PV dies |
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| 11:35.16 | OrigenAG | Thanks, I'll do that |
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| 11:36.13 | jelly-home | does it get detected only on io (be it r or w)? What happens to the LVs? |
| 11:36.42 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How can I simulate a dhcp request without actually configuring the interface to use dhcp? |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | run dhclient manually ? |
| 11:37.05 | hid3 | abrotman, it sets the IP on the iface... |
| 11:37.53 | hid3 | And I need just to simulate something like this: mac XXX asks for IP. DHCP server gives mac XXX ip YYY. IP/MAC YYY/XXX says: OK, thanks. |
| 11:38.07 | hid3 | But I need to run a different IP configuration on the interface... |
| 11:38.08 | stew | hid3: supercede everything in dhclient.conf? |
| 11:38.30 | OrigenAG | a guess but you could try hping3 to spoof a DHCP request if it can do it |
| 11:38.45 | hid3 | Nice idea about superceeding! |
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| 11:39.31 | babilen | hid3: Read dhclient's manpage (-n / -w) |
| 11:39.35 | thewanderer1 | forging with hping3 could be difficult - DHCP address request has a few stages |
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| 11:40.19 | babilen | hid3: "The DHCP client can be directed not to attempt to configure any interfaces using the -n flag" |
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| 11:42.40 | hid3 | Thanks babilen. dhclient's man page really sucks. They could list the arguments in front of each paragraph, not combine them in text. This makes difficult to find something |
| 11:43.08 | babilen | hid3: true |
| 11:44.27 | abrotman | wishlist bug! |
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| 11:56.53 | *** topic/#debian is lenny (5.0.7) /msg dpkg 5.0.7 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog | Squeeze has been frozen: http://bit.ly/DebSqueezeFreeze |
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| 11:57.06 | abrotman | definitely wrong |
| 11:57.08 | abrotman | !release history |
| 11:57.08 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html . |
| 11:57.19 | lxsameer | does any one knows the meaning of "Debian" word? |
| 11:57.37 | kgoetz | no one, in the entire world does |
| 11:57.41 | kgoetz | </sarcasm> |
| 11:57.44 | abrotman | lxsameer: Deb + Ian .. Ian Murdock and his then girlfriend Deborah |
| 11:57.56 | abrotman | yes, seriously |
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| 11:58.12 | lxsameer | abrotman: aha thanks |
| 11:58.26 | hid3 | his ex-wife actually |
| 11:58.41 | abrotman | now his ex-wife .. "his then" .. at the time they were just dating |
| 11:58.42 | hid3 | and I think it's pronounced debIAN instead of DEbian |
| 11:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | distributions last longer than relationships |
| 11:59.03 | hid3 | those women... She should ahve thought well before the divorce... |
| 11:59.12 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 11:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the joke is on him... we're all installing debs, not ians |
| 11:59.32 | hid3 | LOL |
| 11:59.38 | hid3 | that's nice ;-) |
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| 12:00.36 | hid3 | abrotman: the release history doesn't actually show how long each release was in testing/frozen stage before the actual release! |
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| 12:00.53 | jelly-home | "long enough" |
| 12:00.58 | hid3 | What I want to say is that it looks to me like Squeeze is sitting there longer than any |
| 12:00.59 | abrotman | hid3: sarge was frozen for a very long time |
| 12:01.05 | stew | it shows how long they were in the testing stage |
| 12:01.12 | poisonbit | maybe on mail archives |
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| 12:02.00 | stew | lenny was frozen july 27 |
| 12:02.04 | abrotman | hid3: also, it may be one of those "watched pot never boils" syndromes for you |
| 12:02.14 | stew | so squeeze will be frozen slightly less time probably |
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| 12:02.37 | abrotman | erm .. sarge wasn't frozen long .. it was testing long |
| 12:02.52 | stew | etch 11 dec 2006 |
| 12:03.18 | andre_pl | does anyone know what the 'update time' means in the output of mdadm --detail? |
| 12:03.23 | jelly-home | stew: etch sounds like it got thru nicely |
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| 12:05.06 | hid3 | Damn. The time is running really fast. I recall first time installing Debian (Potato) and it looks to me like it was last week... |
| 12:05.27 | hid3 | dpkg, c'ya! |
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| 12:06.32 | hid3 | hi there, dpkg :) |
| 12:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does? |
| 12:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, let us discuss about that next week... |
| 12:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | say, around 8/8/2026 |
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| 12:36.57 | kaiyin | what is the command for opening a shell in a split window? |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | split window in what? |
| 12:37.24 | obiwahn | kaiyin: screen? |
| 12:37.29 | kaiyin | emacs |
| 12:38.49 | kaiyin | obiwahn, emacs. |
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| 12:39.00 | xand | this isn't #emacs |
| 12:39.21 | obiwahn | oh dear gl:) i have no clue since i use ugly ugly vi:) |
| 12:41.39 | jelly-home | !start an editor war |
| 12:41.40 | dpkg | "cat >" bites. |
| 12:41.53 | jelly-home | that was anticlimactic |
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| 12:54.23 | himuraken | Getting ready to roll out a Dell Power Edge 2900. Will be used strictly for NFS serving. Lenny or Squeeze? Or Lenny then upgrade to Squeeze later while in production? |
| 12:54.46 | abrotman | himuraken: is it internal or external? |
| 12:56.10 | himuraken | abrotman, behind firewall, nothing port forwarded/NATd to it. |
| 12:56.27 | himuraken | Strictly serving up virtual disks to a pair of VMware servers. |
| 12:56.45 | jelly-home | himuraken: use whatever works. |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | himuraken: ultimately up to you .. squeeze has no real security support, the repo is there, but it's not a priority yet ... |
| 12:57.12 | abrotman | himuraken: there are going to be few changes in packages between now and release |
| 12:57.14 | jelly-home | "upgrade while in production" seems like the least sensible option |
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| 12:58.00 | himuraken | jelly-home, Yeah I normally would not consider that, but I am told that Debian upgrades between releases are quite good. So far I havent had one fail myself, but that is single digit installs. |
| 12:58.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: only if it breaks?! :) |
| 12:58.11 | himuraken | True abrotman |
| 12:58.27 | abrotman | himuraken: yes, normally they go just fine .. i have a system at my office that started as slink and it is now lenny, no reinstall |
| 12:58.42 | abrotman | uhm ..sarge .. not slink |
| 12:58.46 | himuraken | Yeah I was told the same thing yesterday by someone I know |
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| 12:59.14 | himuraken | I guess I will run Lenny and upgrade as needed. |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | it's a fringe system, but still .. though it is being replaced once squeeze is released, but that's because the architecture is going away after squeeze |
| 12:59.26 | himuraken | arm eh? |
| 12:59.35 | abrotman | i wish .. i wouldn't be replacing it .. it's an alpha box |
| 12:59.39 | himuraken | Ah |
| 12:59.46 | himuraken | Got my A's confused. |
| 13:00.05 | himuraken | As always, thanks abrotman jelly-home |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | himuraken: i have to concur with jelly about the 'upgrade while in production' |
| 13:00.11 | himuraken | ah |
| 13:00.18 | abrotman | it seems the least sensible .. especially for an internal system |
| 13:00.21 | himuraken | OK then... |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | if i were rolling something out internally, i'd be using squeeze |
| 13:00.41 | jelly-home | hell we have sarge machine internally |
| 13:00.52 | jelly-home | the policy seems to be "never upgrade" |
| 13:00.56 | himuraken | My other thought would then be to roll out squeeze internally and let it become stable. |
| 13:01.27 | himuraken | Does that seem reasonable? I was thinking squeeze because I dont plan on changing this server much throughout the length of time that squeeze is stable. |
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| 13:01.32 | abrotman | wonders why pidgin won't connect to gmail ... |
| 13:01.34 | himuraken | SO long as it doesnt force my hand. |
| 13:02.12 | himuraken | abrotman, gmail/pidgin failing here too. |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | hrm .. works on my phone and in the browser |
| 13:02.30 | himuraken | same. |
| 13:03.03 | himuraken | to explain further, I was/am worried that if I got squeeze now, that it will some how automagically break en route to stable? Reasonable concern? |
| 13:03.44 | abrotman | not really .. |
| 13:03.56 | abrotman | there are roughly 50 RC bugs, squeeze is frozen .. |
| 13:04.06 | himuraken | OK, and thats where I was thinking that it was OK. |
| 13:04.16 | himuraken | Not stable, but not under feature changes etc at this point. |
| 13:04.27 | abrotman | there should be no feature changes at this point |
| 13:04.35 | abrotman | unless the RC bugs push them to do so |
| 13:04.39 | himuraken | OK squeeze it is. |
| 13:04.55 | himuraken | Thanks |
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| 13:05.02 | abrotman | though .. you could be a "tester" to install lenny, setup the NFS, and then upgrade to squeeze, report if it breaks :) |
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| 13:06.06 | himuraken | Ill do that on my home server abrotman :-) Thanks again. |
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| 13:06.44 | abrotman | heh .. have fun |
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| 13:09.24 | neku | hello, I want to install mailman on my system, but it had an apache depency that I want not to installl beacause I use nginx to server my pages |
| 13:09.55 | neku | how can I install it without apache via apt-get ? |
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| 13:12.55 | wathek | Hi all I've installed pure-ftpd but I cannot find the config file it should be in /etc/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd.conf but it's not there ! |
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| 13:14.52 | CyberDomovoy | \o/ i finally transfered my system from ide to sata/raid10+lvm, and i didn't even reinstall it :) just rsync with filtering /dev /proc /sys, and, of course, the target directory, then reinstallation of grub in chroot. |
| 13:15.45 | Morten_ | wathek, tried to search for it? |
| 13:15.55 | wathek | Morten_, yep |
| 13:15.59 | wathek | Morten_, and didn't find it ! |
| 13:16.34 | Morten_ | did you updatedb first? |
| 13:16.39 | wathek | Morten_, sure |
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| 13:18.23 | abrotman | did you remove it manually, and then reinstall the package? |
| 13:18.37 | wathek | abrotman, nope cause pure-ftpd works well ! |
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| 13:19.07 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:19.22 | abrotman | wathek: find /etc/ -name *ftp* |
| 13:19.23 | wathek | abrotman, what ? |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | does that find anything ? |
| 13:19.26 | wathek | abrotman, ok |
| 13:19.30 | wathek | abrotman, yes |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | anything useful? |
| 13:19.41 | wathek | abrotman, one moment gonna pastbin the result |
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| 13:22.56 | wathek | abrotman, here it is http://pastebin.com/8yDUp3R4 |
| 13:23.47 | abrotman | is this lenny or squeeze? |
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| 13:24.14 | wathek | abrotman, lenny |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | wathek: looks like someone deliberately removed the conf files .. and the package was reinstalled at some point |
| 13:25.07 | abrotman | wathek: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/pure-ftpd-common/filelist |
| 13:25.14 | abrotman | see the 'conf' directory? |
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| 13:25.41 | wathek | abrotman, yep I got that dir |
| 13:26.13 | wathek | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/5r8KJTKq |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | why didn't it show up ? |
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| 13:26.37 | wathek | abrotman, cause it doesn't contain *ftp* |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | duh ... |
| 13:26.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | wathek: i believe that conf dir is what you're looking for .. they split up the files |
| 13:27.47 | wathek | abrotman, it's strange cause I need to set up the port range so that I can add that to my iptables rules |
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| 13:28.04 | wathek | but the files into conf dir are weird ! |
| 13:28.19 | abrotman | doesn't use pure-ftpd, but had to do something similar for vsftpd for IE users |
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| 13:54.58 | if_else | hi guys ,when I install debian at choosing pkgs, I want to know what "standard system utilities" contain,thx |
| 13:55.41 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell if_else about standard task |
| 13:56.33 | if_else | jelly-home: thanks ,jelly |
| 13:57.03 | if_else | jelly-home: I am fresh to debian , |
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| 13:57.27 | hid3 | Any ideas how to switch from LILO to grub2 when moving a system to another HDD? (I use cp -aux / /mnt/disk2 for that) |
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| 13:58.53 | jelly-home | if_else: also /msg dpkg tasksel, if you want |
| 13:59.19 | skamikaze | hid3: mount -o dev, proc, sys, chroot, install grub2, run grub-install, run grub-mkconfig |
| 13:59.30 | if_else | jelly-home: thanks . |
| 13:59.35 | skamikaze | hid3: you'd like to use os-prober there |
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| 14:00.58 | hid3 | skamikaze: would it be a good idea to boot from new HDD still using LILO then remove/purge it and install grub2 and then run grub-mkconfig followed by grub-install? |
| 14:02.01 | skamikaze | you just cp'd so you got no bootloader? |
| 14:02.12 | skamikaze | sry got no coffee yet - no warranties bout any statement :> |
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| 14:03.20 | hid3 | skamikaze: I haven't copied anything yet. but when I copy, I edit my lilo.conf and set boot dvice to /dev/sdX where X is 2nd drive letter |
| 14:03.27 | hid3 | ten just run LILO and it install MBR |
| 14:03.32 | hid3 | (to the 2nd drive) |
| 14:03.52 | hid3 | after booting from the 2nd drive (it becomes the 1st one), it uses old configuration |
| 14:04.09 | hid3 | That was the scenario I used for years |
| 14:04.27 | hid3 | now everyone's blaming on me for using LILO since that 'isn't cool anymore' |
| 14:04.34 | skamikaze | :) |
| 14:04.35 | hid3 | and I decided to make a switch to grub2 |
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| 14:04.48 | skamikaze | no need to switch to grub2 if you are satisfied imo |
| 14:05.10 | jelly-home | hid3: if it works, why change |
| 14:05.57 | jelly-home | grub legacy was nice. grub2 is too complex for its own good and a PITA to debug when things go wrong |
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| 14:06.25 | robokop | grub2 is quite easy actually |
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| 14:07.01 | jelly-home | everything is easy if it works |
| 14:07.36 | jelly-home | when it fails to work and leaves you in a rescue shell, it's much worse than legacy |
| 14:08.19 | robokop | i have no problems with the rescue shell ever. |
| 14:08.48 | hid3 | I commented half of the options in grub2.cfg on my new system since I didn't know what they do and thought they were not required |
| 14:09.38 | lupine_85 | I quite like grub2 |
| 14:09.48 | lupine_85 | debian's config structure around it, on the other hand... |
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| 14:10.48 | hid3 | I hate when they put those stupid UIDs in /etc/fstab and also grub config... |
| 14:11.04 | hid3 | I know what/which/where my drives are, leave me to rename/manae them |
| 14:11.08 | jelly-home | hid3: LABELs are nice, though |
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| 14:11.16 | hid3 | they're ugly |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | they're useful |
| 14:11.32 | hid3 | useless for me |
| 14:11.41 | jelly-home | ... |
| 14:11.52 | jelly-home | hid3: you realize that's a logical fallacy, right? RIGHT? |
| 14:11.52 | hid3 | I comment/replace them immediatelly after I find them |
| 14:11.57 | abrotman | wait until your OS renames your devices and your system doesn't boot .. |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | hid3: that's a really dumb thing to do |
| 14:12.15 | jelly-home | root=LABEL=root is a nice thing to type ;-) |
| 14:12.17 | hid3 | I'm on my own |
| 14:12.52 | abrotman | you know why? because everyone else does sane stuff |
| 14:13.07 | hid3 | The system has renamed my drives a few times. Just guessing root=/dev/sdX is much easier than working with those UIDs |
| 14:13.10 | hid3 | (for me) |
| 14:13.42 | hid3 | just a side note: is there any way to completely disable that disk UId'ing system? I want to be on my own! |
| 14:14.05 | abrotman | you wouldn't have that problem if you would use UUIDs .. |
| 14:14.39 | hid3 | abrotman: I don't feel comfortable with UID's, to be honest |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | i don't feel comfortable telling you how to disable them ... |
| 14:15.01 | hid3 | What is I clone HDDs? Will my new hdd boot being labeled with old UID? |
| 14:15.07 | hid3 | *if |
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| 14:15.49 | pipeline | of course |
| 14:16.17 | robokop | i prefer labels over UUIDs over /dev/sdX |
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| 14:17.22 | jelly-home | I can't live without UIDs. |
| 14:17.32 | jelly-home | all the linux machines have them! |
| 14:17.44 | dutchfish | points to http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/short-tip-get-uuid-of-hard-disks/ |
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| 14:18.45 | jelly-home | hid3: forcing UUID on the user at dist-upgrade time _is_ nasty, but in some cases the best thing to do |
| 14:19.13 | jelly-home | esp. if the reboot to new kernel means switching from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* |
| 14:19.43 | robokop | it should never be forced onto someone |
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| 14:19.54 | jelly-home | robokop: lenny->squeeze does it |
| 14:20.03 | hid3 | Oh. They mention the UUID exhaust problem too |
| 14:20.04 | hid3 | lol |
| 14:20.05 | hid3 | ;-) |
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| 14:20.23 | hid3 | I don't believe that exhaust problems at all |
| 14:20.25 | robokop | i know it is forced, but IMHO it shouldn't be forced on someone |
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| 14:20.39 | hid3 | all thet IPv4, MAC adress exhaustion is a scam for last 20 years or so |
| 14:21.31 | lupine_85 | pff |
| 14:21.36 | abrotman | robokop: the libata transition would likely leave them with an unbootable system .. which owuld you rather have? |
| 14:22.06 | hid3 | so you insert a live cd, edit the config and have a bootable system again |
| 14:22.09 | robokop | let dpkg ask them what to do |
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| 14:22.25 | abrotman | hid3: if your system boots so you can get a livecd ? |
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| 14:23.04 | abrotman | robokop: guess you should have filed an RC bug awhile ago ... |
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| 14:24.04 | coops89 | are there some way to deny a process access to the network? (without using an kernel hacking like modprobe/iptables whatever) |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | deny a process? |
| 14:24.44 | hid3 | kill -9 ? |
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| 14:24.53 | hid3 | bind it to localhost? |
| 14:25.00 | jelly-home | I've had network manager comment out my manual entry in interfaces(5) on the last upgrade |
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| 14:25.19 | jelly-home | "sorry, you can't have network until you log in via GUI" |
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| 14:25.26 | coops89 | I need to jail a process so that it can't read the filesystem (already accomplished with chroot) and so that it can't access the network |
| 14:25.41 | hid3 | abrotman: so you like UID system. Do you like the 'allow-hotplug' nonsense in /etc/network/interfaces file too? |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | yes .. what's wrong with that? |
| 14:25.59 | hid3 | It prevents from doing `networking restart` properly |
| 14:26.15 | abrotman | uhm .. ifdown eth1;ifup eth1 .. what's the problem ? |
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| 14:26.17 | jelly-home | hid3: how often do you do it anyway? |
| 14:26.19 | hid3 | All I need to fix that is replace with auto ethX / iface ethX inet static |
| 14:26.27 | hid3 | jelly-home: quite often |
| 14:26.39 | hid3 | and my netcards aren't hot pluggable |
| 14:26.43 | jelly-home | hid3: what's the usage scenario? |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | hid3: uhm, allow-hotplug doesn't mean tthey're hotpluggable on the PCI bus |
| 14:27.18 | aharris2325 | i'm trying to compile a kernel driver for a kernel that i just installed, and it is still looking for the old kernel headers. any ideas? |
| 14:27.20 | hid3 | usage scenatio? back from dhcp to static config, vice-versa, etc |
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| 14:27.46 | abrotman | hid3: do you actually read documentation, or just do whatever you want? |
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| 14:28.36 | dutchfish | hid3: rtfm, there was a sane reason to implement UUID for hotplugging disks |
| 14:28.51 | jelly-home | hid3: if the machine is a laptop, you might be better off with wicd or yes, NetworkManager |
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| 14:30.48 | dutchfish | hid3: ant it isnt new either because devmapper used that already for a long while |
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| 14:31.42 | jelly-home | uh, but you typically don't need uuids for devmapper because the devices in /dev/mapper/ have nice names |
| 14:32.14 | dutchfish | jelly-home: until you want something more fancy like xen or kvm |
| 14:32.58 | jelly-home | at least in multipath and lvm scenarios, you can name them arbitrarily or almost arbitrarily |
| 14:33.28 | dutchfish | i can understand the q for a desktop system with 1 drive or so, but for something with a bunch of disks, living without UUID's is a pita |
| 14:33.51 | jelly-home | living with UUIDs is a pita. I use LABELs <g> |
| 14:34.12 | dutchfish | sure |
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| 14:34.55 | jelly-home | it would be somewhat nicer if one could use shorthand like for git commits |
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| 14:35.09 | dutchfish | true |
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| 14:35.28 | jelly-home | UUID=last7num |
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| 14:36.14 | dutchfish | jelly-home: verry possible: http://pastebin.com/2qyLe3xp |
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| 14:36.56 | jelly-home | <g> |
| 14:37.00 | dutchfish | it is all in the docs |
| 14:37.15 | hid3 | abrotman: actually do what I want/know. And I don't have neither hot-pluggable disks nor network cards |
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| 14:56.20 | ramo102 | whois idoru |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | hid3: i told you before, that is NOT what allow-hotplug means .. try reading |
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| 14:57.02 | abrotman | apparently you don't know as much as you think |
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| 14:59.34 | coops89 | I need a wildcard in my /etc/hosts so that all subdomains points to a certain IP address, how can I accomplish this? (suggestions of other methods than using /etc/hosts are welcome) |
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| 14:59.51 | coops89 | e.g. *.example.org -> 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:01.39 | stew | coops89: you can't. you'd need to use a dns server |
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| 15:02.07 | Linux_Direction | hi room. |
| 15:02.14 | stew | !room |
| 15:02.15 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:02.36 | Linux_Direction | oh Okay. sorry. hi channel. |
| 15:02.41 | stew | ramo102: its a freenode service bot |
| 15:03.50 | Linux_Direction | i am able to change the video setting from the boot up command line in debian 5? |
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| 15:04.08 | AivarasKivilius | Hello, I have a little problem, may anyone help me? http://pastebin.com/At5Hm4e0 Thanks! I whint its 'sed' but I don't understand how to use it |
| 15:05.10 | Linux_Direction | oops. sleepiness must be setting in. |
| 15:05.42 | Linux_Direction | am i able to change the video settings from the boot up command line in debian5? |
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| 15:08.17 | abrotman | AivarasKivilius: #bash would probably be more help |
| 15:08.39 | AivarasKivilius | abrotman, Thanks! :) |
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| 15:11.47 | jogo | hi |
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| 15:12.25 | jogo | i need to change a configure flag for gnustep-base but apt-get source gnustep-base did not give me the debian directory where I could do that |
| 15:13.14 | jogo | is there a other way to see the default debian configure flags so I can make by hand? |
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| 15:14.20 | InvaderZim | deborphan reports to me libqt4-core... is it really safe to remove it? |
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| 15:15.27 | abrotman | try to remove it, see what else wants to be removed .. |
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| 15:24.19 | hid3 | abrotman: do you earn money for the support? |
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| 15:27.54 | IngCre | Hi |
| 15:28.06 | dydy | Hi |
| 15:28.16 | abrotman | hid3: How does that matter? |
| 15:28.28 | dydy | IngCre how are u ? |
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| 15:28.36 | IngCre | Fine thanks dydy |
| 15:28.44 | IngCre | Nice to meet you |
| 15:28.45 | frikinz | Hi all! Can someone remind me where to start if I want to build a kernel headers package for 2.6.37 (none exist yet) |
| 15:29.06 | dydy | fine |
| 15:29.08 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 15:29.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 15:29.16 | dydy | IngCre You are italian ? |
| 15:29.23 | hid3 | abrotman: just curious. If you do that as a volunteer work, it's a really great job you have done. Thanks! |
| 15:29.43 | jelly-home | ,versions linux-headers-2.6.37-trunk-686 |
| 15:29.45 | judd | Package linux-headers-2.6.37-trunk-686 on i386 -- experimental: 2.6.37-1~experimental.1 |
| 15:29.52 | IngCre | Can anybody tell me why tunnelling through ssh from localhost to remotehost I can't connect to mysql? |
| 15:30.00 | jelly-home | frikinz: looks to me like a least -686 is there |
| 15:30.25 | frikinz | jelly-home: hum let me aptitude update :) thanks |
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| 15:32.22 | jelly-home | frikinz: now, usually what's missing is linux-kbuild-2.6.37 |
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| 15:32.48 | frikinz | jelly-home: ok, it goes quicker than I think of doing updates. My kernel is said to be obsolete :) 2.6.37 came quickly this time in debian! |
| 15:33.10 | jelly-home | that's what she said :-( |
| 15:34.09 | frikinz | dang missing kbuild |
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| 15:35.37 | jelly-home | frikinz: /msg dpkg kbuild |
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| 15:35.48 | frikinz | jelly-home: so then linux-headers-2.6.37 is uninstallable, more or less the same for me as missing |
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| 15:36.13 | frikinz | jelly-home: thanks. that's the wiki I was looking for. |
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| 15:43.49 | xushi | hi all |
| 15:44.17 | xushi | i have debian 505 amd64 installed, and noticed there's 507 now. Is there anything i need to do to upgrade or is a simple apt-get update/upgrade sufficient? |
| 15:44.44 | daemonkeeper | upgrade will take care |
| 15:44.50 | xushi | thanks |
| 15:46.06 | jelly-home | xushi: a full-upgrade may be needed for certain packages to update, in particular things built from bind9 source |
| 15:46.28 | xushi | how would i do that? |
| 15:46.42 | jelly-home | xushi: that's a command for apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 15:47.09 | xushi | dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:47.36 | jelly-home | xushi: that's the old name, yes. you only want to do it if a mere upgrade says some packages had not been upgraded |
| 15:47.53 | xushi | yea the latter says some packages were heald back |
| 15:48.00 | xushi | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 15:48.00 | xushi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.33 | jelly-home | yep, you're going to need full- / dist-upgrade for those |
| 15:49.23 | xushi | cool, thanks |
| 15:50.17 | frikinz | jelly-home: do you know the reason why this kbuild is not built? Just curious. |
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| 15:50.50 | jelly-home | frikinz: the wiki page explains it, I think |
| 15:51.05 | jelly-home | in short, it's not built from the same source as the kernel packages |
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| 15:53.10 | daemonkeeper | is there an easy way to install packages inside a pbuilder chroot? I do not only want to build them, but also test the maintainer scripts. |
| 15:53.52 | daemonkeeper | I mean I could --login and copy the packages of course |
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| 15:55.48 | frikinz | Unfortunatly I've never used pbuild chroot but if it's a chroot, can't you aptitude install with apt-option instdir set to the chroot root? |
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| 15:56.48 | frikinz | hum no, it might check dependencies against the normal root. forget my advice :) |
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| 15:59.13 | daemonkeeper | frikinz: it's a bit more complicated, I guess it is not too complicated to woraround, I do a bind mount inside it right now, but you know, being lazy ... |
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| 16:04.05 | dydy | otibom salut |
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| 16:09.06 | brabo | hey, i'm having a weird issue, if i connect my monitor to my pc thru a kvm switch, it can run on higher resolution than when i connect it directly.. any ideas how i can let it run at those higher resolutions without the kvm? |
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| 16:12.08 | hid3 | How much of swap space should I dedicate for a system which has got a P4 3.2 GHz CPU, 3 GB or RAM and runs various small services (cacti, mrtg, apache2/php, openvpn, bind9, dhcpd)? At the moment the old server has got 1 Gig of ram and has never used more than 35 megs of swap. |
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| 16:13.56 | daemonkeeper | A perhaps a bit outdated consideration was twice times the ram size. But as RAM grew more and more some people do not use swap at all anymore. |
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| 16:14.10 | daemonkeeper | (You should though) |
| 16:14.37 | hid3 | Well.. |
| 16:14.48 | hid3 | I'm thinking about somewhat like 500 megs in cfdisk |
| 16:14.52 | lapsusbrutus | Is there anything (but my knowledge about virtual networking) that is stopping me from connecting a uplinked/tagged cable with many vlans to my normal NIC eth0 and make eth0 a slave for a "br0" that contains several virtual nics.. one for each vlan? (tired of switching cables when I need to change to another vlan :)) |
| 16:14.57 | hid3 | so that will end up being even less in real |
| 16:15.11 | hid3 | BTW, I know about that 2x RAM thing but that waaaay outdated |
| 16:15.27 | hid3 | I used to do 1:1 RAM:Swap some years ago but now I'm confused |
| 16:15.46 | daemonkeeper | That's fairly ok. The maximum RAM usage will mostly depend on your configuration. If you can make sure not to run out of memory, you may use as less as you want. |
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| 16:16.00 | hid3 | At the moment probably the best practice might be RAM/6, sth like that |
| 16:16.20 | brabo | on the other hand, if you have enough enough diskspace available, can it hurt to still use 1:1? |
| 16:16.47 | hid3 | daemonkeeper: if you run out of memory, then swap is your enemy. Once it starts swapping much, the system somehow freezes. Ask me how I know. |
| 16:17.00 | hid3 | Once I had an apache failure (actually an attack). |
| 16:17.02 | daemonkeeper | I wanted to say that right now. |
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| 16:17.09 | daemonkeeper | Honestly, as soon as your server starts swapping you are almost dead anyway. |
| 16:17.10 | hid3 | so It used all the swap until kernel killed the process |
| 16:17.36 | hid3 | OK, I'm ending up with 500 Megs of swap per cfdisk ;-) |
| 16:17.38 | daemonkeeper | _but_ having a swap as last resort keeps the chance to get you an ability to log-in. |
| 16:17.38 | Jarvix | I need some help with Linux Integration Compontents for my debian running on HyperV. Anyone experience with that? |
| 16:17.53 | lapsusbrutus | I usually put a swap to 1g if ram is enough for what I plan to use server/desktop for.. |
| 16:18.05 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise the kernel will kill processes as it runs out of memory. |
| 16:18.10 | hid3 | BTW, this is a WD20EARS 2.0TB 'green' harddrive which recently had that nasy head parking feature disabled |
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| 16:19.48 | jelly-home | hid3: anything more than 2GB of swap, unless your swap is on a SSD, meand it's quicket to push the reset button than to wait for the machine to become responsive again |
| 16:20.04 | jelly-home | typos notwithstanding |
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| 16:20.41 | jelly-home | hid3: those drives are especially horrible with random io that is swapping |
| 16:20.47 | hid3 | jelly-home: indeed, my practice says the same! |
| 16:21.24 | hid3 | and if you *really* need some swapspace later, you can alway add a partition on your 2nd drive IMHO |
| 16:21.41 | hid3 | Any ideas about a reasonable mount/days count to fsck for a server? |
| 16:21.42 | jelly-home | they're mode to be slow, and heat up less |
| 16:21.54 | hid3 | I'm considering 1000 days/50 mounts, |
| 16:21.59 | lapsusbrutus | Jarvix: I would probably use debian as the host instead and putting windows on top virtualized. Im not a virualization guru though :P but I use windowns as little as possible and would not use it as base os for virtualization |
| 16:22.11 | jelly-home | hid3: 0/0, then put LVM on it and fsck snapshots on a regular basis |
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| 16:22.26 | hid3 | Oh, no LVM, sorry. Don't want it here |
| 16:22.42 | jelly-home | it's one of the things it's useful for |
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| 16:23.03 | Jarvix | lapsusbrutus, i have no choice in that ;) The client has a windows netowkr (educational) and i need a debian server for my software. So i am running one but i need the LIC installed |
| 16:23.24 | jelly-home | hid3: or 0/0 and schedule downtime for fsck every 6 or 12 months |
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| 16:23.59 | jelly-home | else you're going to get a fsck when you reboot for some _other_ reason and you don't need it then |
| 16:24.00 | hid3 | Who cares about that fsck... |
| 16:24.12 | Bert_2 | Is it me or is the ftp.nl.debian.org mirror down ? |
| 16:24.17 | hid3 | jelly-home: exactly. It passes the check every (random) reboot |
| 16:24.21 | hid3 | but I like that |
| 16:24.26 | jelly-home | hid3: you will, when it happens exactly when you don't want it |
| 16:24.26 | hid3 | actually, love that |
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| 16:24.39 | hid3 | well, you can always terminate it ;-) |
| 16:24.48 | jelly-home | hid3: what what's the bloody point then? |
| 16:24.54 | jelly-home | s/what/and/ |
| 16:24.57 | hid3 | then you can edit fstab file and say "0 0" for dumps and checks |
| 16:25.19 | hid3 | just don't want the check to happen too often |
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| 16:26.31 | lapsusbrutus | Jarvix: Im sorry to hear ;) I dont have much experience with HyperV so then I cant help Im afraid. GL though! |
| 16:26.53 | Jarvix | thanks :( |
| 16:27.31 | daemonkeeper | Jarvis: You may try ##windows. |
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| 16:27.47 | daemonkeeper | *jarvix |
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| 16:28.10 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Ja<TAB> ;) |
| 16:28.25 | jelly-home | hid3: dunno. I either have machines at home that I don't care about fscking, or I have servers where I care about downtime very much and I can't let fsck run randomly on a kernel upgrade or when the machine breaks (which are the only two reasons why I'd reboot) |
| 16:28.26 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Both of them do exist ;=) |
| 16:28.48 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Hence the problem ... ;) |
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| 16:29.14 | lapsusbrutus | babilen: Cool! Been using irssi for some time and didnt know about this one: Excellent! Thanks for tip!! |
| 16:29.17 | babilen | daemonkeeper: (don't want to get too off-topic, but irssi at least suggests completions based on recency if you complete with TAB) |
| 16:29.28 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: hehe, great :) |
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| 16:29.45 | daemonkeeper | babilen: xchat as well. You might need to read those though, before typing enter and xchat suggested the wrong one ... |
| 16:29.46 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: Works with filenames as well -- but enough irc tutorial right now, pray continue |
| 16:29.54 | lapsusbrutus | :p |
| 16:30.18 | b0tz | hello, im working on getting a debian 5.0 install up and running, I get this pasted whenever I try to install\remove package(s) http://paste.debian.net/104063/ |
| 16:30.41 | b0tz | How can i fix this\get rid of it |
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| 16:31.04 | hid3 | It takes some time to create a 1.7 TB ext3 partition ;-) |
| 16:31.16 | johaBBa | it seems i cannot get debian 5.0.7 amd64 to boot after install when using lvm and 2 encrypted PVs. has anyone else encountered this? It only asks me for the password for the 2nd PV after install |
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| 16:31.25 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:31.48 | Posterdati | please I could not mount floppy in kde4 (debian squeeze). thanks |
| 16:31.57 | brabo | b0tz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 16:33.11 | babilen | b0tz: Rather "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 16:33.12 | b0tz | I get the same print and /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed |
| 16:33.20 | b0tz | ah |
| 16:33.27 | brabo | b0tz: try locales instead |
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| 16:33.43 | b0tz | i believe that worked :) thanks |
| 16:33.46 | brabo | my bad, i missed the s ;) |
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| 16:34.11 | babilen | !next |
| 16:34.11 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:34.41 | daemonkeeper | Strictly speaking he's yet here :p |
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| 16:37.34 | johaBBa | msg dpkg 5.0.7 |
| 16:37.35 | babilen | daemonkeeper: :-þ |
| 16:37.47 | babilen | johaBBa: /msg dpkg 5.0.7 |
| 16:37.54 | b0tz | what should be the default locale? english iwll be the only language. en_US.UTF-8? |
| 16:38.02 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 16:38.16 | b0tz | cool thanks. |
| 16:38.18 | babilen | b0tz: Proper choice, although I prefer en_GB.utf-8 |
| 16:38.26 | daemonkeeper | Any en_*.utf-8 may be fine. |
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| 16:39.24 | johaBBa | hrm. no one besides me using 2 encrypted PVs in debian.../sigh |
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| 16:48.50 | lxsameer | what name do you choose for an administration panel for debian ? |
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| 16:50.57 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:50.59 | babilen | lxsameer: What do you mean? |
| 16:52.21 | deepa | I name my servers after types of wizards/magicians |
| 16:52.25 | lxsameer | i'm weak in choosing name for a software, so what name will you choose for a administration panel like webmin for debian ? |
| 16:52.37 | brabo | lol |
| 16:52.42 | deepa | lxsameer: is it solely for debian? |
| 16:53.06 | brabo | debmin haha |
| 16:53.12 | lxsameer | deepa: yeah |
| 16:53.41 | jelly-home | lxsameer: "rootkit", it's a kit for administration |
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| 16:54.08 | lxsameer | jelly-home: nice and tricky ;) |
| 16:54.15 | deepa | Piddap, Pretty interesting debian developed administration panel |
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| 16:54.23 | babilen | lxsameer: http://namingschemes.com/ |
| 16:54.29 | deepa | And if someone whines about the name, tell them shaddap |
| 16:55.08 | babilen | lxsameer: I would personally go with "characters from bulgakov novels" |
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| 16:56.04 | lxsameer | babilen: wow .Oo |
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| 16:58.11 | nyl | ey has anyone tried kde 4.6 on debian? |
| 16:58.20 | niteria | Which is better, raid1 on lvm partitions or lvm on raid1 ? |
| 16:58.34 | niteria | I'd guess the latter |
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| 16:59.05 | lxsameer | niteria: i think second one |
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| 17:03.11 | neodragon | hello all |
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| 17:04.35 | lupine_85 | always puts lvm on raid, rather than the other way around |
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| 17:06.28 | neodragon | I am just curious, I have used linux for about 10 years, but never tried debian, currently I am using Gentoo. I have fairly new hardware, how outdated is the stable branch? |
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| 17:08.15 | lupine_85 | outdated? |
| 17:08.24 | lupine_85 | lenny has 2.6.26-2 as the kernel, if that helps |
| 17:08.35 | lupine_85 | you can browse all the packages at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 17:08.53 | lupine_85 | obviously, squeeze should be stable "soon" |
| 17:09.02 | lupine_85 | I think that's 2.6.32 or something |
| 17:09.04 | babilen | neodragon: Squeeze will release soonish and you can install it easily using: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:09.57 | babilen | neodragon: It is also possible to upgrade any Lenny (stable) system to Squeeze (testing) by following the release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
| 17:10.18 | babilen | neodragon: The installation guide for Squeeze might also be interesting: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual |
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| 17:10.29 | neodragon | OK good because I need at least kernel 2.6.30+ for some of my hardware to work out of the box |
| 17:10.57 | babilen | neodragon: I would strongly suggest to download the "netinstall" images if you have a working internet connection during the installation (wired) |
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| 17:11.18 | babilen | neodragon: What kind of system is this? Just your personal laptop/desktop? |
| 17:11.27 | niteria | lupine_85: I've just created /dev/md1 on my secondary disk, can I clone my /dev/sda2 which is managed by lvm easily? |
| 17:11.41 | niteria | clone to /dev/md1 |
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| 17:13.53 | niteria | in theory i could just see the lvm config on /dev/sda2 and replicate it, then copy underlying partitions |
| 17:14.12 | babilen | neodragon: Enjoy the Debian experience. If you have question and/or problems do not hesitate to ask. You might also want to take a look at the reference -- /msg dpkg reference -- which explains a lot of Debian specific things and various Linux tidbits |
| 17:14.14 | niteria | but maybe there's a shortcut |
| 17:14.18 | neodragon | babilen: Desktop(AMD Phenom 2 Quad core 2.4 GHz, 4GB PC6400 RAM, 500 GB WD SATA HD, Nvidia Geforce 9600 512MB video |
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| 17:15.27 | neodragon | babilen: thanks for the links and suggestions |
| 17:15.33 | babilen | neodragon: Hehe, no I rather meant: What is the purpose of the computer. As in: "I will use it to provide DNS,Mail,DBs for 10.000 clients" vs "Just the little compie I personally play with" (i.e. "Server" vs "Desktop") |
| 17:16.01 | babilen | neodragon: You are welcome. I hope you like it -- and if not: there are a bunch of other distros to try. :) |
| 17:16.42 | neodragon | babilen Desktop/File server for home network of 4 other PC and laptops |
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| 17:18.23 | babilen | neodragon: Just a few suggestions: Use the expert installation, do not install the tasks (desktop in particular) but start with a minimal system and start adding exactly the packages you want. (I guess that this approach caters to your preferences as a Gentoo user) |
| 17:19.08 | neodragon | babilen: sound like I should feel right at home |
| 17:19.14 | lupine_85 | niteria, if it's the right size, dd is your friend |
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| 17:19.16 | babilen | neodragon: I was just asking, because Squeeze does not receive the same level of security support as Lenny (stable) and I therefore wouldn't recommend it for production/security relevant systems |
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| 17:20.38 | neodragon | babilen: that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 17:22.20 | babilen | neodragon: Great. Just wanted to make sure that we are not creating the next spam-galore ;) |
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| 17:22.41 | neodragon | babilen: lol I know what you mean |
| 17:22.52 | babilen | Have fun them ... |
| 17:22.56 | babilen | *then |
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| 17:25.15 | Krolik13 | Hi. i want to develop an simple application on C, but I get the following error: stdio.h not such file. What should I install to debian, to allow me to compile simple C apps? |
| 17:25.47 | neodragon | babilen: the reason I wanted to try debian is because I kind of got tired of waiting for packages to compile for everything I installed, but I don't want to use ubuntu, been there done that don't want to go back, I need something rock solid and that won't take 15 hours to update each time I want to update my system |
| 17:26.03 | stew | Krolik13: build-essential |
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| 17:26.25 | niteria | lupine_85: what if /dev/sda2 changes when i copy? |
| 17:26.37 | babilen | Krolik13: You probably want to make sure that you have the "build-essential" meta-package installed. |
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| 17:27.02 | babilen | neodragon: Sounds like Debian is what you are looking for :-D |
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| 17:27.33 | neodragon | well thanks for the help and this should be fun |
| 17:27.47 | lupine_85 | niteria, it's up to you to make sure that what you're doing is sane |
| 17:27.49 | lupine_85 | unmount it? |
| 17:27.58 | Krolik13 | thanks, i'll install it ;) |
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| 17:28.05 | niteria | I can't, it's system partition |
| 17:28.12 | Krolik13 | it is nice to get such a fast reply from you guys |
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| 17:28.36 | niteria | dd probably isn't sane, given it's 1000gb partition |
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| 17:29.04 | babilen | neodragon: You are welcome. QOTD: "Hug a tree, use Debian!" -- /msg dpkg greenhouse |
| 17:29.16 | niteria | I thought about pvmove but I'm not sure if it does what I think it does |
| 17:29.54 | stew | niteria: pvmove makes it easy to move off of a block device |
| 17:30.39 | neodragon | catcha later |
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| 17:31.09 | stew | niteria: and pvmove will work even while you are using the vg using the block device |
| 17:33.05 | jelly-home | !greenhouse |
| 17:33.05 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 17:33.29 | jelly-home | babilen: the debian that doesn't enable cpu frequency scaling by default? |
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| 17:34.04 | babilen | jelly-home: it doesn't? shame on us! |
| 17:34.25 | jelly-home | quick, file a Priority: GREEN bug |
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| 17:35.13 | babilen | jelly-home: I like that :) |
| 17:35.43 | lupine_85 | *shrug* dd can copy a terabyte as fast as anything else. and you can always boot from somewhere else to do the copy |
| 17:35.54 | lupine_85 | mind you, if you /can/ do it with pvmove, all to the better |
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| 17:41.10 | markit | hi, I've 2 directoryes with almost the same files, but there are some unique ones inside. How can I find them? In short, the contrary of what fdupes does :) |
| 17:42.19 | pipeline | markit: if you pass directories to diff, it will diff the directory listings |
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| 17:42.58 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:43.05 | markit | pipeline: mmmm very interesting, should be enough... (in fact, a md5sum would be wrong, I need to find unique file names) |
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| 17:43.32 | eptalon | Got a small problem with network interfaces being renamed (eth0 -> eth5) on a new system. |
| 17:43.38 | babilen | markit: There is also "dirdiff" (and million other diffs) -- things like "unison" or "rdiff" might also be worth a look |
| 17:43.43 | markit | pipeline: great, works ! |
| 17:43.48 | eptalon | Got a message like "unable to apply firmware patch". |
| 17:43.49 | babilen | !tell eptalon -about 70 |
| 17:43.53 | markit | babilen: thanks :) |
| 17:44.02 | eptalon | Kernel is 2.6.36, I think; distro is sid |
| 17:44.22 | babilen | !sid |
| 17:44.22 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 17:46.16 | markit | don't bit me, I'm using sid and looking forward sqeeze to become stable and still start again being very updated and unstable... any reasonable timeframe? (I know "when is ready", but... ) |
| 17:46.31 | babilen | markit: s/rdiff/rsync -- too many diffs :) |
| 17:46.33 | markit | s/still/sid |
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| 17:47.03 | babilen | markit: soonish (~2-4 months) are a good guess |
| 17:47.24 | markit | urgh :( hoped 2-4 hours... |
| 17:47.26 | markit | ;) |
| 17:47.54 | markit | I'm poisoning sid with some experimental package, but is not a good practice |
| 17:48.10 | markit | loves bleeding edge |
| 17:48.19 | babilen | markit: Well, depends on how many RC bugs you can fix, but even pushing everyhting to the mirrors and creating the images takes more than a couple of hours. |
| 17:48.24 | markit | (except on his servers, of course) |
| 17:48.44 | daemonkeeper | babilen is pehaps a bit pessimistic though. |
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| 17:48.57 | babilen | markit: Well, read what dpkg told you. I guess it'll fix your problem/point you in the right direction. |
| 17:49.02 | markit | sure, was just to tell that is a long time I'm waiting, and 2-4 months is long long time again |
| 17:49.17 | babilen | daemonkeeper: yes, probably. |
| 17:49.32 | daemonkeeper | You may expect it within $now to $babliens_estimation. |
| 17:49.37 | hid3 | Any ideas how to clone a running system without having to swap HDDs? I mean, I need some remote clonning via networking. Samba probably won't be useful here because of ownership/permissions issue... |
| 17:49.45 | babilen | daemonkeeper: hehe :) |
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| 17:50.06 | markit | hid3: rsync? and a lot of care and knowledge? |
| 17:50.38 | hid3 | Uh. Never used rsync for that. Will it maintain permissions/original ownership too? |
| 17:50.47 | daemonkeeper | Indeed the RC bug counter decreased a lot. |
| 17:50.59 | stew | hid3: it can, given the right options |
| 17:51.01 | markit | hid3: also, after the first run, you should stop all services except sshd, and do another rsync to save latest changes |
| 17:51.30 | hid3 | Is rsync the only way to go? |
| 17:52.12 | hid3 | Or would it be a better idea to `tar -czf ` a running system to a tar archive and then extract it on the remote machine, on a clean partition? |
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| 17:52.24 | hid3 | (the system has all the services stopped, BTW) |
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| 17:52.47 | markit | there is also farchiver or something like that |
| 17:53.03 | markit | hid3: http://www.fsarchiver.org/Main_Page |
| 17:53.14 | hid3 | Thanks, will take a look at that |
| 17:53.18 | markit | hid3: oh you can use also clonezilla |
| 17:53.27 | markit | clonezilla also works on the net |
| 17:53.41 | markit | you boot with clonezilla and "copy" the hd to the remote pc |
| 17:53.59 | markit | then you can, if you hd is bigger, resize partitions with gparted (and systemrescuecd) |
| 17:54.10 | markit | if targhet hd is smaller, does not work |
| 17:54.15 | hid3 | way too complex |
| 17:54.24 | hid3 | Unfortunately I don't have physical access to the original machine |
| 17:54.37 | markit | hid3: not really... clonezilla is just a matter of some choices, as far as I remember |
| 17:54.39 | hid3 | Guess I'll go either rsync or tar way |
| 17:54.50 | markit | in this case, sure |
| 17:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: It's a REALLY bad idea to do this on a live system - one that's running on the filesystem you're copying. Can you get them to boot to a CD for you? |
| 17:56.50 | romel_ | hi guys. could someone tell me how to create bootable (with pxe) custom debian images with set of necessary software (such as sshd) ? |
| 17:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | !live |
| 17:57.16 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/ |
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| 17:58.40 | mmnicolas | romel_: also take a look at simple-cdd and bootcd |
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| 18:01.23 | hid3 | jhutchins_lt: nothing bad, I think. I've done `cp -aux / /mnt/disk2` on that system several times and it sill works flawlessly. |
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| 18:04.04 | mmnicolas | the debian-live manual says that squeeze is stable at the time of writing |
| 18:04.37 | mmnicolas | they must think it will be released pretty soon |
| 18:04.52 | fergal32 | hi everybody |
| 18:05.25 | daemonkeeper | !rc-bugs |
| 18:05.25 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 18:05.33 | daemonkeeper | Don't guess. |
| 18:06.05 | mmnicolas | daemonkeeper: it's still an approximate, it wont necessarily get to zero no ? |
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| 18:08.17 | stew | mmnicolas: it will except for the ones tagged squeeze-ignore |
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| 18:11.15 | hid3 | OK. Trying to do a test-clone-system with rsync plus -a and -x args.. |
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| 18:13.30 | sigtau | My copy of debian doesn't seem to have ifconfig installed (that is, when I type 'ifconfig' it doesn't display the IP address information). |
| 18:13.38 | sigtau | How would I go about getting the ip address of my server? |
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| 18:14.38 | xindz | sigtau are you logged in with root? |
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| 18:15.37 | sigtau | nope, that was the problem. dunno how I could've forgotten that, thanks. |
| 18:15.49 | xindz | :) |
| 18:16.04 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: It won't harm the originating system, but the target system should not be trusted. |
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| 18:16.34 | hid3 | jhutchins_lt: all the fuss might be only with PID/lock files |
| 18:16.39 | hid3 | never had any problem |
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| 18:17.25 | jhutchins_lt | [12:04] <mmnicolas> the debian-live manual says that squeeze is stable at the time of writing |
| 18:17.37 | jhutchins_lt | mmnicolas: Could you provide a link to the page that says that? |
| 18:17.49 | sebyte | hi all, two quick questions about disk partitions... do they have to be primary partitions to be bootable? does the swap partition have to be a primary partition? |
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| 18:17.54 | hid3 | The system in question was installed in ~2001 and has gone thrrough 6-7 different machines and 12-14 different HDDs. Each time being cp-aux'ed. Never a single problem. |
| 18:18.13 | hid3 | sebyte: do you need more than 4 partitions per disk? |
| 18:18.20 | mmnicolas | jhutchins_lt: sure, hold on |
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| 18:19.18 | sebyte | hid3: yes i do - one for macos, one for windows, one for linux, one for linux swap, one vfat for cross-platform storage - 5 in total |
| 18:19.39 | hid3 | Oh, then you need to start messing with those extended parts.. |
| 18:19.52 | sebyte | hid3: yeah |
| 18:20.08 | mmnicolas | jhutchins_lt: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/1.html#39 in the Terms 1.2, "- Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid" |
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| 18:20.27 | sebyte | hid3: i'm thinking macos, windows and linux partitions as primary, linux swap and storage as logical |
| 18:21.17 | Posterdati | please I lost cdrom drive after read error on a cd, it disappeared from /dev |
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| 18:21.27 | Posterdati | squeeze |
| 18:21.43 | Posterdati | kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:21.58 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: yeah, things like that happen with documentation when a release is close |
| 18:22.37 | jelly-home | do I dare say imminent? |
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| 18:25.27 | mmnicolas | jelly-home: meanwhile its a lie :P |
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| 18:29.53 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: you might be thinking of "cake" |
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| 18:30.48 | sobersabre | hi. I want a web based audio streaming server capable of playing mp3, flac and ogg, with web based interface. something except gnump3d |
| 18:31.09 | mmnicolas | sobersabre: why not gnump3d ? |
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| 18:31.37 | sobersabre | mmnicolas: I want to compare to gnump3d. I believe in pluralism :) |
| 18:31.53 | delby | hi. how do i cancel the 60 sec delay in the dialogue box that appears when i press shutdown in gnome? |
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| 18:33.14 | mmnicolas | sobersabre: mediatomb maybe |
| 18:34.04 | aharris2325 | quick question. i am running debian squeeze, and my box has two sound cards. i would normally use alsaconf to switch to the sound card i need to use as default, but alsaconf is no where to be found. |
| 18:34.12 | mmnicolas | sobersabre: ampache |
| 18:34.13 | aharris2325 | how do i change the default sound card? |
| 18:34.28 | sobersabre | mmnicolas: thanks. |
| 18:34.30 | sobersabre | trying. |
| 18:38.01 | lapsusbrutus | aharris2325 using alsa? |
| 18:39.24 | lapsusbrutus | If I remeber well you can do it from the alsamixer and F6. There you can change at least.. Maybe you have to go to alsa config file to make it persistent |
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| 18:40.31 | jhutchins_lt | !alsaconf |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
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| 18:42.36 | aharris2325 | where is the alsa configuration file? |
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| 18:54.27 | hotwings | hey fellas.. using a keyboard/monitor-less debian box for my lan fileserver. whats the best way to mount drives that doesnt involve fstab? whenever i change the drive arrangement (or drive problem), im stuck with finding a keyboard & monitor to plug in to get past fstab whining about a missing drive.. i'd much rather deal with it over ssh |
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| 19:00.03 | BenSamKrumnack | Hi guys, I'm setting up a server (mostly for website hosting, emails, etc.) and I really can not decide whether to install Debian Lenny or Squeeze...any tips for me? |
| 19:00.05 | jelly-home | hotwings: use LABEL=foo or UUID=.... instead of /dev/whatev in fstab |
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| 19:02.53 | hotwings | is there a way to bypass fstab completely? |
| 19:03.35 | abrotman | hotwings: why not just make it noauto ? |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | or not put them in the fstab at all |
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| 19:06.01 | hotwings | the only way i know of to mount a drive is by adding it in fstab. thats why im asking if theres a way to avoid it. i want the box to boot regardless of what storage drives are there, rather then whine and require user input locally. |
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| 19:08.15 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: mount them remotely by ssh when you plug them |
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| 19:08.41 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: or make a udev rule that will mount them automagically (EXEC="/my/script/to/mount") |
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| 19:09.40 | thewanderer1 | ivman is very neat for managing device events, but HAL is obsolete now so I'd stick with udev, even though it's more difficult to configure |
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| 19:14.39 | tonytraductor | on a new install of lenny, I'm having trouble running a couple of 3rd party apps (kompozer and acroread). Both tell something likeerror while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (different lib for kompozer), but, when I locate whichever lib they are looking for, I find it in /usr/lib...so, it's there. ?? |
| 19:14.40 | hotwings | so by making udev rules, i can bypass using fstab completely for mounting harddrives? |
| 19:15.08 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: with removable drives, yes - I wouldn't recommend replacing fstab when it comes to system storage, though |
| 19:15.27 | hotwings | tonytraductor - maybe those apps were compiled to look in a different location. maybe theres a setting to tell them where to look ? |
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| 19:15.58 | tonytraductor | well, I can't start them to recnofigure them, and both have a lot of code to dig through to figure out where their looking |
| 19:16.10 | tonytraductor | oddly, on another machine here running lenny, I can run both of these apps fine |
| 19:16.21 | tonytraductor | Is it significant that this is an amd64 dual core machine? |
| 19:16.33 | hotwings | thewanderer1 - none of them are removable drives, but why is it bad to want to bypass fstab for storage drives? |
| 19:16.36 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: most closed-source apps are 32-bit |
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| 19:16.50 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: look at udev manpage and see for yourself... |
| 19:16.58 | tonytraductor | kompozer is free software |
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| 19:17.08 | tonytraductor | but they don't have a distinct download for 64bit |
| 19:17.15 | avis | how is debian security compared to ubuntu ? |
| 19:17.17 | tonytraductor | is there a way to make 32bit apps run on here? |
| 19:17.41 | jelly-home | avis: sometimes debian releases patches first, sometimes ubuntu does |
| 19:17.45 | hotwings | ubuntu is basically debian with a desktop gui right? and without a root login |
| 19:18.06 | avis | ok |
| 19:18.11 | jelly-home | hotwings: no, they have lots of customization. /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 19:18.15 | avis | i am unsure if i should switch from fedora to debian |
| 19:18.15 | tonytraductor | I can live without kompozer...nice, handy, but ftp and a text editor work fine, anyway, but the acroread does some stuff that's pretty useful for my work |
| 19:18.23 | tonytraductor | I should see if they have a 64bit version |
| 19:18.51 | hotwings | thewanderer1 - i just looks at the udev manpage.. saw no mention of why its bad to avoid fstab |
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| 19:20.03 | hotwings | jelly-home - customization that extends beyond changing directory trees and gui element placements? |
| 19:20.12 | jelly-home | hotwings: correct |
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| 19:21.28 | hotwings | now im not sure what to believe since i was told the opposite |
| 19:22.06 | hotwings | i only use linux for lan fileserver and htpcs anyways.. no need for a desktop environment |
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| 19:23.29 | jelly-home | they've implemented some interesting things in dpkg and apt first, for example triggers |
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| 19:25.58 | hotwings | i installed a linux desktop for the first time just the other just on a testbox.. xubuntu installed but wouldnt boot, ubuntu & kubuntu both installed and worked. not sure why they thought its a good idea to move window buttons to the left when most people are right-handed and the mouse spends most of its time on the right side of the screen.. but whatever, that was easily fixed |
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| 19:31.29 | tonytraductor | there doesn't seem to be a 64bit acroread, but I found where the 32b has been dpkg -i --force-all installed |
| 19:31.32 | tonytraductor | going to try that |
| 19:32.00 | tonytraductor | the author who did that was in ubuntu, but, since ubuntu is a girly os, and could do it, I'm sure lenny can |
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| 19:34.33 | tonytraductor | nah...didn't work...and being closed source, of course, there's no way I can get in there and tell it where to look... |
| 19:34.46 | tonytraductor | why would they not make a 64bit version? isn't 64bit very common now? |
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| 19:35.02 | cahoot | ask adobe? |
| 19:35.07 | hotwings | ok so just create a symlink for where they want it to where it actually is |
| 19:35.13 | tonytraductor | they never answer my questions |
| 19:35.28 | tonytraductor | this is the ONLY unFOSS program int he world that I want/need to run, too |
| 19:35.49 | tonytraductor | well, my other machines have it, so I can do what I need on them, but there's going to be headaches moving files around and shite... |
| 19:35.52 | tonytraductor | I'll survive. |
| 19:36.08 | tonytraductor | and, hey! now I can that THIS machine has no proprietary apps on it! |
| 19:36.20 | tonytraductor | oh, wait...google-chrome is a proprietary app, isn't it? |
| 19:36.36 | andre_pl | tonytraductor: chromium isn't |
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| 19:41.07 | cast | tonytraductor: need is such a strong word |
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| 19:41.54 | jordanm | tonytraductor: RHEL, is mult-arch, which is typically what is supported by proprietary applications |
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| 19:46.31 | delby | does anyone know how to cancel the 60 sec delay in the dialogue box that appears when i press shutdown in gnome? |
| 19:47.18 | jordanm | hold the power button down? |
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| 19:47.48 | babilen | delby: Given that nobody here knows (and I have personally never experienced that problem / use gnome anymore) you might want to try #gnome either on this network or on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:48.00 | sy | delby, there is no delay, you are spacing out dewd |
| 19:48.18 | hotwings | yeah there is |
| 19:48.31 | abrotman | i use gnome, don't have that display |
| 19:48.33 | abrotman | delay |
| 19:48.52 | babilen | delby: And don't listen to jordanm, it is not a good idea to turn off your computer like this. You don't have to wait 60s if you do it like this, but the next boot will probably take longer :-þ |
| 19:48.53 | sy | spacy users man |
| 19:48.56 | catsup | i think i've seen that |
| 19:48.56 | hotwings | 60 sec delay was there last night on a fresh ubuntu install. |
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| 19:49.09 | catsup | it might only exist when there are running applications |
| 19:49.15 | babilen | hotwings: Ubuntu != Debian |
| 19:49.19 | catsup | i don't really use gnome though |
| 19:49.22 | jordanm | babilen: sorry, that was my way of saying "I don't understand the question" |
| 19:49.49 | catsup | i seem to recall seeing it on my parents' tv box |
| 19:49.56 | babilen | jordanm: Sure, I understood that -- But I learned not to make assumptions in here :) |
| 19:49.56 | hotwings | at most the only thing i wouldve had running at the time was firefox.. but i dont think that was even open |
| 19:50.26 | babilen | I can't recall any kind of delay. I'll try it fwiw (but this is squeeze) |
| 19:50.30 | catsup | hotwings: maybe something running in the little icon area in the corner, wtf is it called |
| 19:50.40 | tonytraductor | oh, no, this is weird...I can't run xkill, because it can't find /usr/lib/libXmuu.so.1 |
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| 19:50.50 | tonytraductor | there is something very weird going on here. |
| 19:51.03 | thewanderer1 | someone is messing with libraries... |
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| 19:51.14 | tonytraductor | I have libs in /usr/lib/ but various apps aren't finding them, and not just the 3rd party stuff now. xkill should work. |
| 19:51.25 | tonytraductor | I didn't mess with the libraries. |
| 19:51.33 | tonytraductor | it's brand spanking new install, just this morning! |
| 19:51.50 | delby | let me clarify, when i press shutdown, it 'The system will automatically shut down in 60 seconds' and then i press 'Shutdown' and it shuts down immediately. i want it to shut down without me pressing shutdown in the dialogue box. |
| 19:51.51 | jordanm | tonytraductor: of which release? |
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| 19:51.58 | tonytraductor | lenny 64bit |
| 19:52.04 | tonytraductor | xfce version |
| 19:52.12 | thewanderer1 | strange |
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| 19:52.28 | tonytraductor | very strange, indeed... |
| 19:52.30 | thewanderer1 | so did you install third-party software yet? |
| 19:52.36 | tonytraductor | strokes beard, raises eyebrow |
| 19:52.49 | tonytraductor | I did try to install acroread |
| 19:52.50 | catsup | delby: i can give you a solution -- just add an icon that directly runs the command 'poweroff' |
| 19:52.50 | jordanm | tonytraductor: pastebin ldd $(which xkill); apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy x11-utils |
| 19:52.59 | tonytraductor | also I installed google chrome |
| 19:52.59 | catsup | delby: or, rather, 'sudo poweroff' |
| 19:53.15 | hotwings | just google'd the 60 second shutdown delay.. pretty simple to disable |
| 19:53.32 | thewanderer1 | catsup: do you realize that this creates problems for the session management part of GNOME? |
| 19:53.35 | babilen | and apparently pretty simple to google as well :) |
| 19:53.42 | delby | simple to disable in debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:53.56 | babilen | delby: Debian, why Ubuntu? |
| 19:54.03 | hotwings | tonytraductor: did you try this: [11:35] <hotwings> ok so just create a symlink for where they want it to where it actually is |
| 19:54.19 | tonytraductor | okay: http://debian.pastebin.com/uD8f37Ay |
| 19:54.39 | tonytraductor | but I don't know where these programs are looking.../usr/lib seems like the logical place, no? |
| 19:54.47 | delby | babilen: because when i googled, ffound plenty of answers of how to disable in ubuntu but none in debian |
| 19:54.55 | sy | is there a really nice wireless connection manager for debian ? |
| 19:55.04 | babilen | tonytraductor: libxmuu1 installed? |
| 19:55.04 | tonytraductor | wicd or wifi-radar |
| 19:55.13 | sy | tnx |
| 19:55.14 | tonytraductor | yes, it is in /usr/lib |
| 19:55.19 | cahoot | what's really nice? |
| 19:55.39 | tonytraductor | I think wicd is 3rd party, not in repos...don't remember....pretty sure wifi-radar is, however |
| 19:55.53 | stew | judd: versions wicd |
| 19:55.55 | judd | Package wicd on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-5; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5 |
| 19:56.05 | tonytraductor | oh, look at that! |
| 19:56.10 | tonytraductor | versions wifi-radar |
| 19:56.14 | babilen | sy: People like wicd or network-manager. You could also configure wpa-supplicant in roaming mode, statically in /etc/network/interfaces ... |
| 19:56.37 | tonytraductor | ok, I was backwards...we have wicd, but not wifi-radar |
| 19:56.47 | tonytraductor | oh |
| 19:56.52 | tonytraductor | judd: versions wifi-radar |
| 19:56.53 | judd | Package wifi-radar on i386 -- etch: 1.9.6-3.1; lenny: 1.9.9-1.1; sid: 2.0.s05-1.2; squeeze: 2.0.s05-1.2 |
| 19:56.56 | tonytraductor | we have both! |
| 19:57.16 | tonytraductor | okay, so anyway, why in god's name would xkill be looking in the wrong place for a librar? |
| 19:57.47 | babilen | delby: I guess the reason for that is that most of the "What do I have to click in order to make my computer do $task" are more frequently asked by Ubuntu users and not Debian users. You could try the solution anyway, or ask in Gnome specific channels like #gnome here or on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:58.08 | catsup | thewanderer1: gnome's session manager should get a SIGINT and a delay before the SIGKILL. |
| 19:58.13 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: do you have 'libxmuu1' package installed? |
| 19:58.31 | babilen | thewanderer1: He refuses to answer that question ;) |
| 19:58.35 | thewanderer1 | catsup: yes, but it doesn't handle that very well, neither does KDE :P |
| 19:58.44 | tonytraductor | yes, I do. /usr/lib/libXmuul.so.1 |
| 19:58.46 | catsup | well, gnome fail :| |
| 19:58.59 | tonytraductor | same withthe libs that kompozer and acroread were seeking but not finding |
| 19:59.03 | catsup | (and KDE) |
| 19:59.05 | tonytraductor | they're there in /usr/lib |
| 19:59.12 | babilen | tonytraductor: Could you reinstall the package? |
| 19:59.36 | tonytraductor | I tried to aptitude install one of them, but it didn't want to do anything...should I remove it first? |
| 20:00.02 | babilen | tonytraductor: Or get accustomed with "ldconfig" but I fear that you might end up in a bigger mess than what you are in right now. |
| 20:00.19 | babilen | tonytraductor: reinstall |
| 20:00.23 | tonytraductor | oh, I did aptitute reinstall libXmuu, but xkill still doesn't want to work...this is so weird. |
| 20:00.59 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: what does `file $(which xkill)` tell you? |
| 20:01.10 | babilen | tonytraductor: It is libxmuu1 not libxmuu -- Did you still get the same output from ... ^^^ |
| 20:01.24 | hotwings | symlinks are you friend.. learn to use them |
| 20:01.24 | jordanm | thewanderer1: the ldd output indicates ELF binary |
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| 20:01.38 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: it's the arch which matters |
| 20:01.46 | babilen | tonytraductor: Err i meanldd $(which xkill) |
| 20:01.46 | jordanm | ah |
| 20:03.05 | tonytraductor | awwman...libreoffice is giving me headaches, too (just installed the 64bit version) |
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| 20:04.17 | tonytraductor | okay: http://debian.pastebin.com/1qjH28Tm |
| 20:04.41 | jordanm | erm /lib32? |
| 20:04.55 | jordanm | tonytraductor: dpkg --print-architecture. file $(which xkill) |
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| 20:05.07 | tonytraductor | redid the aptitude reinstall with libXmuu1, still no joy |
| 20:05.07 | jordanm | thewanderer1: good call :) |
| 20:05.35 | babilen | tonytraductor: where is that /lib32 from? |
| 20:05.36 | thewanderer1 | how the hell is xkill 32-bit? :D |
| 20:05.41 | tonytraductor | that just gives me dpkg: unknown option --print-architecture. |
| 20:06.06 | jordanm | --print-architecture |
| 20:06.10 | thewanderer1 | dpkg --print-installation-architecture |
| 20:06.10 | dpkg | thewanderer1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:06.11 | jordanm | did I spell it wrong? |
| 20:06.23 | thewanderer1 | no, --print-architecture is new, --print-installation-architecture is old |
| 20:06.29 | jordanm | ah |
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| 20:06.52 | tonytraductor | dpkg --print-architecture gives me amd64 |
| 20:06.52 | dpkg | tonytraductor: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 20:06.59 | tonytraductor | which xkill gives me /usr/bin/xkill |
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| 20:07.12 | jordanm | tonytraductor: no, `file $(which xkill)` |
| 20:07.46 | tonytraductor | oh..this doesn't look good: /usr/local/bin/xkill: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, stripped |
| 20:07.56 | tonytraductor | looks like I have 32bit xkill on my 64bit machine |
| 20:08.01 | tonytraductor | shall I reinstall xkill? |
| 20:08.03 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: /usr/local/bin |
| 20:08.05 | thewanderer1 | look... |
| 20:08.19 | thewanderer1 | you have both local and dpkg-managed versions of software |
| 20:08.23 | jordanm | awesome, manually installed non-debian software! |
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| 20:08.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so you've installed something that you probably should not have |
| 20:08.43 | tonytraductor | weird...aptitude reinstall xkill told me that it couldn't reinstall, bc it's nto installed |
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| 20:08.50 | tonytraductor | even though I have /usr/bin/xkill |
| 20:09.02 | tonytraductor | so I did aptitude install xkill, and then ran xkill, and got the same error |
| 20:09.25 | jordanm | tonytraductor: /usr/local/bin comes first in PATH by default |
| 20:09.26 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: that's because package names don't correspond to command names in a 1:1 manner |
| 20:09.30 | tonytraductor | oh...aptitude install xkill said no candidate version found |
| 20:09.37 | tonytraductor | apparently we have no 64bit xkill? |
| 20:09.50 | jordanm | tonytraductor: x11-utils IIRC |
| 20:09.57 | jordanm | ,file /usr/bin/xkill |
| 20:09.58 | babilen | its x11-utils -- and you might want to run that with an absolute path |
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| 20:09.59 | judd | /usr/bin/xkill in lenny/i386: x11-utils: usr/bin/xkill |
| 20:10.04 | tonytraductor | man...this is lenny, not unstable, I wasn't expecting problems like this |
| 20:10.17 | jordanm | tonytraductor: then why did you manually compile x11 tools? |
| 20:10.25 | tonytraductor | I didn't! |
| 20:10.31 | tonytraductor | I didn't manually compile anything! |
| 20:10.35 | jelly-home | LIES |
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| 20:10.38 | jordanm | dpkg will never install anything to /usr/local |
| 20:10.39 | dpkg | jordanm: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:10.54 | babilen | tonytraductor: You apparently did something wrong. You ended up with /lib32 and a X whatever installation in /usr/local -- that is *not* related to Debian packages, but to your own actions. |
| 20:10.54 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: were you following some tutorials describing "how to install this and that"? |
| 20:11.16 | tonytraductor | no, /usr/local hasn't even come up in this conversation |
| 20:11.17 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: just for fun, what does readlink -f /usr/local/bin/xkill say? |
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| 20:11.40 | jordanm | tonytraductor: yes, it has |
| 20:11.58 | tonytraductor | just gives /usr/local/bin/xkill |
| 20:12.03 | tonytraductor | weird...I don't know how that got in there |
| 20:12.25 | tonytraductor | but I DID copy some scripts from the /usr/local/bin from my old machine over to this one, so maybe I copied that xkill over. |
| 20:12.29 | tonytraductor | I'm going to remove it |
| 20:12.31 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: someone put it there. I'm not saying it was you, but someone did... |
| 20:12.50 | tonytraductor | I had some tcl scripts and stuff, and I just copied them from /usr/local/bin on the old machine onto a usb key and copied them in here |
| 20:12.55 | tonytraductor | that's probably how it got here |
| 20:13.07 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: you should definitely inspect the contents of /usr/local/bin and perhaps even set your PATH accordingly until you get that fixed |
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| 20:13.29 | tonytraductor | ok, that's gone, but I still have a /usr/bin/xkill, which must have gotten there somehow |
| 20:13.46 | tonytraductor | everything else in /usr/local/bin is stuff i wrote, now |
| 20:13.54 | tonytraductor | tcl scripts and bash scripts |
| 20:14.02 | tonytraductor | one python script |
| 20:14.09 | thewanderer1 | /usr/bin/xkill should be fine I think |
| 20:14.36 | tonytraductor | it won't run |
| 20:14.37 | thewanderer1 | you can try launching xkill now and seeing if it works |
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| 20:14.41 | thewanderer1 | saying what? |
| 20:14.53 | tonytraductor | it says bash: /usr/local/bin/xkill: No such file or directory |
| 20:15.06 | tonytraductor | so it's looking in /usr/local/bin, and I just removed that one |
| 20:15.25 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: `hash -r`, try again |
| 20:15.31 | thewanderer1 | it was just bash remembering old paths |
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| 20:16.00 | tonytraductor | okay, but aptitude refuses to recognize that there IS an xkill in /usr/bin |
| 20:16.10 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: in what way? |
| 20:16.17 | tonytraductor | won't remove or reinstall, and, of course, if I do aptitude install xkill, I am told there is no version candidate |
| 20:16.31 | jordanm | tonytraductor: we already told you the package name is x11-utils... |
| 20:16.33 | tonytraductor | I tried aptitude reinstall xkill, and it says can't reinstall because not installed |
| 20:16.34 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: this is because file /usr/bin/xkill is NOT in package named "xkill" |
| 20:16.43 | tonytraductor | tried aptitude remove xkill, and says can't remove, because not isntalled |
| 20:16.49 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: which shell are you using> |
| 20:16.53 | tonytraductor | bash |
| 20:16.57 | jordanm | tonytraductor: because there is no package called "xkill" |
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| 20:17.16 | tonytraductor | why does aptitude say there is no candidate version to install? do we not have a 64bit xkill? |
| 20:17.18 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: run "hash -r" like thewanderer1 said to make it re-read the PATH |
| 20:17.34 | tonytraductor | as root or no? |
| 20:17.41 | tonytraductor | or does it matter? |
| 20:17.44 | thewanderer1 | doesn't |
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| 20:17.59 | tonytraductor | ha! xkill worked! |
| 20:18.05 | jelly-home | you'll have to do it each of the shells you have opened at present |
| 20:18.20 | thewanderer1 | each shell that you called xkill in, to be precise |
| 20:18.25 | jelly-home | if you want them to know about those changes |
| 20:18.28 | thewanderer1 | or just close them all and re-open... |
| 20:18.35 | jelly-home | or reboot, but hey |
| 20:18.39 | jelly-home | no need to |
| 20:18.42 | tonytraductor | okay, that fixed xkill...now to figure out why all these other programs can't find the libs in /usr/lib |
| 20:18.58 | jelly-home | what other programs |
| 20:19.08 | tonytraductor | acroread and kompozer and libreoffice |
| 20:19.26 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: libreoffice - you should download an amd64 version |
| 20:19.35 | tonytraductor | I did |
| 20:19.47 | tonytraductor | actually, the libreoffice error seems unrelated, or different, at least |
| 20:19.48 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.53 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: acroread -- install it from d-m, or use something else (okular? evince?) |
| 20:19.57 | jelly-home | !d-m |
| 20:19.57 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 20:20.07 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: also, do you specifically need LibreOffice? |
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| 20:20.20 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: OpenOffice.org is included in Debian repositories - saves you much trouble |
| 20:20.33 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: but it's 3.1 and this is 3.3!!!! |
| 20:20.34 | tonytraductor | I use evince most of the time to view pdf files, but acroread does a great job of converting pdf to text, that's mostly what I want it for |
| 20:20.52 | tonytraductor | actually, if there's a good native tool for that, I'd toss acroread out |
| 20:20.58 | tonytraductor | but I don't know of any |
| 20:21.02 | cast | there is.. |
| 20:21.14 | tonytraductor | which is? |
| 20:21.21 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: do you use GNOME or KDE? |
| 20:21.25 | tonytraductor | neither |
| 20:21.41 | thewanderer1 | but you have GNOME libs installed, right? |
| 20:21.43 | tonytraductor | at the moment I'm using xfce, only because I haven't logged out and into openbox since installing it |
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| 20:21.47 | jordanm | tonytraductor: IIRC, imagick can convert pdf to text using ghostscript |
| 20:21.47 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 20:21.49 | tonytraductor | no, I do not have gnome installed |
| 20:21.57 | tonytraductor | I installed from the xfce-lxde disk |
| 20:22.16 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: epdfview is a nice PDF browser |
| 20:22.28 | tonytraductor | at the risk of starting a fight: I don't like bloated eye-candy that I don't need running on my machine |
| 20:22.30 | thewanderer1 | evince is fine, too, but might require you to install some libraries from GNOME project |
| 20:22.40 | tonytraductor | and it converts to plaintext |
| 20:22.41 | tonytraductor | ? |
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| 20:22.52 | thewanderer1 | I don't remember, try it |
| 20:23.02 | tonytraductor | honestly, that's the absolutely only reason I us acroread |
| 20:23.05 | thewanderer1 | as for OpenOffice: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 20:23.18 | thewanderer1 | "converts to plaintext" meaning - you can mark text and copy into clipboard? |
| 20:23.34 | tonytraductor | I'm a translator, and people send me pdf files, and acroread exports to plain text so i can use my CAT tools (OmegaT or Anaphraseus) with them |
| 20:23.56 | jelly-home | your nickname explained. |
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| 20:24.07 | tonytraductor | ok, with evince I can copy the text and paste into a text editor, but with acroread I can simply click "export to txt" and it's done for me |
| 20:24.12 | tonytraductor | sipo, soy traductor |
| 20:24.18 | jelly-home | ,versions acroread |
| 20:24.20 | judd | Package acroread on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0 |
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| 20:24.34 | jelly-home | see, packaged for your perusal |
| 20:24.41 | jelly-home | ,versions acroread --arch amd64 |
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| 20:24.42 | deepa | 6 |
| 20:24.42 | judd | Package acroread on amd64 -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.0 |
| 20:24.52 | tonytraductor | gosh, I didn't even think to look in the repos for acroread...not sure if I have non-free enabled yet |
| 20:25.01 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 20:25.04 | jordanm | !tell tonytraductor about dmm |
| 20:26.12 | tonytraductor | okay, so I need to enable non-free and dmm |
| 20:26.16 | jordanm | yes |
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| 20:27.47 | jelly-home | just dmm; the "non-free" is a repo IN dmm |
| 20:27.52 | jelly-home | in this case |
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| 20:28.51 | tonytraductor | where do I find the urls for non-free and dmm to add to my apt list? |
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| 20:29.06 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:29.31 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: non-free you just put next to "main" in sources.list, and multimedia: http://debian-multimedia.org and it's on the site |
| 20:29.58 | eptalon | Of the two alternatives that can interpet/play shockwave flash, which would you recommend? (swfdec or gnash)? |
| 20:30.02 | thewanderer1 | I've just mounted /dev/sdc1 as /mnt/localdisk, then /dev/sdc3 as /mnt/localdisk/home (both are ext4) and my X crashed, funny |
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| 20:30.35 | jordanm | eptalon: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:30.35 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: none - run a browser with HTML5 support or install minitube client for YouTube and skip flash on the rest of sites |
| 20:30.41 | tonytraductor | oh, I think I have non-free managed, must copied main and put non-free at the end instead of main |
| 20:30.58 | jordanm | thewanderer1: still doesn't work with videos that include ads |
| 20:31.01 | eptalon | jordanm:thats what I am currently using. |
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| 20:31.07 | tonytraductor | oh, should I have just added non-free after main, rather than adding another entry to the list? |
| 20:31.07 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I had no idea |
| 20:31.13 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: yes |
| 20:31.28 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yeah, they are still working on a way to support ads in html5 |
| 20:31.38 | eptalon | thewanderer1: some websites (like wilmaa, web-based tv insist on using flash) |
| 20:31.40 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, I didn't see any ads |
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| 20:31.57 | tonytraductor | I've got to remember how I enabled backports on my other machine and do that here, too, but that can wait for another time, and I'm sure i can do that with some googling |
| 20:31.59 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: they will not work with gnash nor swfdec anyway :P |
| 20:32.37 | eptalon | thewanderer1: they can't prescribe what I use to decode the SWF? |
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| 20:33.11 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: gnash and swfdec have lots of holes in Flash implementation - actually getting YouTube to display correctly is a feat |
| 20:33.56 | tonytraductor | weird... /etc/apt/sources.list is empty |
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| 20:34.08 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: that's not good :P |
| 20:34.16 | eptalon | thewanderer1: so you are telling me there's no way around using the proprietary plugin? |
| 20:34.37 | tonytraductor | yeah, that's freaking me out |
| 20:34.44 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 20:34.59 | cast | doesn't find it that hard to just not use flash |
| 20:35.15 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: there may be files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ... Ubuntu started with that sh, er, feature |
| 20:35.20 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: I'm saying that if you want to use Flash, which is a proprietary technology, then it's exactly what you fear |
| 20:35.25 | tonytraductor | but if I open synaptic, it has repos listed in there |
| 20:35.32 | tonytraductor | source.list.d was also empty |
| 20:35.43 | jelly-home | inconceivable! |
| 20:35.48 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: how did you open that file? |
| 20:35.50 | tonytraductor | so I added non-free in the synaptic repo lis thingy, but still can't find acroread |
| 20:35.52 | eptalon | cast: You do have a tv, and dont rely on some internet sites steaming tv.. |
| 20:36.08 | tonytraductor | I cd-ed to /etc/apt and did nano source.list |
| 20:36.11 | tonytraductor | as root |
| 20:36.22 | jelly-home | sources.list |
| 20:36.28 | tonytraductor | right |
| 20:36.30 | tonytraductor | typo in here |
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| 20:37.02 | tonytraductor | doh...you're right, the typo was the problem, did the same type in terminal as I did here! |
| 20:37.08 | tonytraductor | it's not empty...phew.... |
| 20:37.22 | cast | eptalon: no, i don't :) |
| 20:37.29 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: Tab key is your friend |
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| 20:38.02 | deepa | cast: HTML5? |
| 20:38.05 | tonytraductor | probably helps if I run aptitude update after changing the sources.list... |
| 20:38.29 | tonytraductor | still no acroread found...must not have a 64bit version? |
| 20:39.17 | thewanderer1 | I don't see acroread package here either, someone must have had inaccurate info |
| 20:39.23 | eptalon | tonytraductor: what do you need acroread for? |
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| 20:40.13 | thewanderer1 | tonytraductor: you're either copy-pasting the text yourself, or using `pdftotext` command (this is nice!), or messing with acrobat stuff... |
| 20:40.13 | eptalon | PDF is "quite open", and for like 85% of all PDFs there are good programs on linux (eg. okular). |
| 20:40.30 | thewanderer1 | Okular is imho the best, but requires a huge pile of KDE stuff |
| 20:40.33 | jelly-home | eptalon: the reason is in the lastlog, read it |
| 20:40.34 | tonytraductor | well, epdfview looks a lot like evince, still doesn't export to text |
| 20:40.46 | tonytraductor | pdftotext....gosh, who'd a thunk of that... |
| 20:40.55 | tonytraductor | I'm going to apt-cache search that right away |
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| 20:41.01 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: yeah, _when_ it works |
| 20:41.16 | jelly-home | it often doesn't |
| 20:41.18 | eptalon | tonytraductor: I think its the usual command line tool... |
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| 20:42.10 | tonytraductor | look at that...pdftotext...gawd I <3 DEBIAN! |
| 20:42.11 | eptalon | tonytraductor: another is using pdftops (2ps?) and then play around with the ps |
| 20:42.14 | tonytraductor | that was easy! |
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| 20:43.33 | eptalon | perhaps a very stupid question: I got gfx integrated into the chipset/cpu, do I need to add a special driver to X, or is X smart enough? |
| 20:43.40 | eptalon | (Core i5) |
| 20:43.43 | tonytraductor | now I just have to figure out what's wrong with kompozer |
| 20:44.02 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: hmmmm, Core i5 graphics is tricky... |
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| 20:44.29 | thewanderer1 | it *should* be handled by the normal "intel" driver, but if it doesn't work, you should try newer drivers |
| 20:44.45 | eptalon | thewanderer1: i5-650/3.2Ghz (with integrated graphics) |