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| 00:53.30 | paxcoder | (didn't know about history) |
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| 00:53.43 | paxcoder | abrotman, and no, just cuz you hate me it still doesn't mean i'm trolling |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | i don't hate you .. you're just being difficult .. you were given a way to find your answer, and you insist on picking a fight .. have fun |
| 00:54.21 | paxcoder | hmm.. thought sid had 3.6, and experimental 4.0 |
| 00:54.58 | paxcoder | darnit, i'm confused... |
| 00:55.17 | paxcoder | beardy, shouldn't downgrading be impossible? |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | no, 4.x only exists in the debian-mozilla team's repo |
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| 00:56.07 | paxcoder | either i deluded myself into thinking i had 3.6, or i just went from experimental to squeeze |
| 00:56.31 | paxcoder | (i don't remember pinning iceweasel) |
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| 00:58.46 | paxcoder | geez. our browser is outdated ;-P |
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| 01:09.50 | CyL_ | Is there a way to create a liveusb installer for debian squeeze? |
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| 01:11.44 | icebrain | CyL_: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/the-basics.html#186 |
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| 01:12.14 | paxcoder | beardy, abrotman thx |
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| 01:12.23 | CyL_ | icebrain: thanks |
| 01:13.11 | CyL_ | icebrain: this procedure create an installer liveusb? |
| 01:14.06 | stew | CyL_: what do you mean by "live" in "liveusb"? |
| 01:14.45 | CyL_ | stew: something I can boot without the need to burn a cd |
| 01:15.44 | stew | CyL_: you can just get an installer image then |
| 01:16.46 | un214 | if its an image why can't I print it /ducks |
| 01:16.52 | CyL_ | stew: I did, and I did got it into the usb using unetbootin, but it looks like it won't boot |
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| 01:17.06 | stew | CyL_: /msg dpkg usb installer |
| 01:17.09 | icebrain | CyL_: sorry, I misread your first message, disregard my link |
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| 01:17.17 | stew | hmm, i guess they don't have th hybrid isos built yet |
| 01:17.29 | CyL_ | stew, icebrain: thanks |
| 01:18.02 | kgoetz | stew: i believe there will be no iso-hyb for squeeze |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | kgoetz: they just said there will be |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | kgoetz: http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs |
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| 01:22.58 | thepro4ever | how do i install wine on debian |
| 01:23.46 | kgoetz | abrotman: ah, changed again. thatsfantastic, i can completely dump legacy media now *g* |
| 01:24.36 | icebrain | thepro4ever: run "aptitude install wine" on a root shell |
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| 01:25.23 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: Happy New Year ... |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:25.48 | brokendatapoint | how's things? back at work yet? |
| 01:27.52 | brokendatapoint | went to install Skype onto Debian AMD64, ended up having to use Ubuntu package as the Debian one was 32 bit only ... sigh |
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| 01:33.02 | thepro4ever | walt that is so disgusting there are no types |
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| 01:45.05 | flock-_ | hello. how can I put my mail working on my virtual server debian based? any guide? on my /var/mail/ all mails come back to me. thank you. |
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| 01:46.11 | moi | salut |
| 01:47.52 | moi | je cherche a telecharger debian lenny en CD |
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| 01:48.14 | Andy[1] | Jarvis smells :p |
| 01:48.20 | Jarvis | pffrt |
| 01:48.24 | Jarvis | sure Andy[1] :P |
| 01:48.29 | Andy[1] | :p |
| 01:48.31 | Andy[1] | xD |
| 01:48.53 | moi | a cette adresse je vois qu'il y a plusieurs cd , mais je veux que debian en 1cd |
| 01:49.48 | Jarvis | flock-_: it depends what you want to do, theres a lot of guides out there |
| 01:50.05 | karlpinc | flock-_: That dependes on why the mail is having problems. What does the log say? |
| 01:50.18 | karlpinc | !tell moi about fr |
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| 01:50.34 | Jarvis | hehe |
| 01:50.42 | Jarvis | dpkg fr? |
| 01:50.42 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:50.46 | Jarvis | aha |
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| 01:50.58 | karlpinc | !tell Jarvis about selftell |
| 01:51.20 | Jarvis | :p point taken |
| 01:52.08 | flock-_ | jarvis, karlpinc |
| 01:52.09 | flock-_ | Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 01:52.24 | Jarvis | flock-_: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 01:52.34 | Jarvis | and select anything other than 'local only' |
| 01:52.47 | Jarvis | or exim4-config (i think it is) |
| 01:53.21 | flock-_ | postfix package isnt installed |
| 01:53.27 | flock-_ | exim4 is |
| 01:53.40 | Jarvis | flock-_: iirc then its dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:53.56 | Jarvis | if i remember exim has its config file in a seperate package |
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| 02:05.17 | Jarvis | really needs to do a perl script to stop people /msg'ing him for no reason |
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| 02:12.01 | rgr | how will this "perl script" determine if the have no reason or a valid reason to msg you? |
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| 02:12.39 | Jarvis | rgr: if theyre in $list, accept, otherwise, tell them off, and send them back to the channel |
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| 02:13.04 | Jarvis | and dont bother showing me the window :p |
| 02:13.07 | Jarvis | irssi ftw |
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| 02:13.22 | rgr | Sounds rather extreme and censorious. |
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| 02:13.44 | Jarvis | rgr: very very few people have a reason to be messaging me (with the exception of a few channels) |
| 02:14.11 | rgr | why's it such a big thing if you on a #irc anyway. Still, if thats how you like it then fine. |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:14.25 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:14.31 | rgr | sigh |
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| 02:14.36 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:14.41 | Jarvis | lol |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | you aren't much help |
| 02:15.15 | Jarvis | in what respect? |
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| 02:27.44 | CyL_ | I'm installing debian and it looks like it is instaling kde... I thought it came with gnome... |
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| 02:29.34 | daemonkeeper | Debian comes with both and installs neither without being told so (by you) |
| 02:30.23 | CyL_ | daemonkeeper: well, in fact I just just select laptop and graphical environment profile, but did not had a chance to choose which one |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | CyL_: to be honest .. people that have used debian for awhile, skip tasksel |
| 02:31.45 | stew | i have my own tasks instead :) |
| 02:32.00 | stew | but don't use them nearly as much now that i'm getting into puppet |
| 02:32.04 | daemonkeeper | heh, indeed. So I may not be precise, but I think the graphical environment installs both. |
| 02:32.37 | stew | no, it installs only one |
| 02:32.39 | CyL_ | daemonkeeper: is there an easy way to remove the unused one? |
| 02:32.44 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 02:32.58 | stew | used to be gnome. but this is the second person recently i've seen reporting they got kde instead |
| 02:32.59 | daemonkeeper | just finish the installation and remove either one. |
| 02:33.11 | stew | CyL_: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 02:36.51 | daemonkeeper | mhm stew, changelog mentions a multiselect debconf prompt. |
| 02:37.24 | daemonkeeper | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tasksel/tasksel_2.88/changelog see tasksel (2.67) (from 2007 though) |
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| 02:40.03 | Sonne | hello there! |
| 02:40.20 | catfish | hi |
| 02:40.58 | Sonne | i have a question regarding apt-get: when i type apt-get install gdm xfce4, it wants to download 91MB - if i type install xfce4 gdm, same packages but inverted order, it wants to download 210MB - how is that possible? |
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| 02:41.20 | thepro4ever | woah using wine is crazy it looks like windows when installing a game |
| 02:42.06 | Sonne | interestingly enough, the same thing happens with aptitude... |
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| 02:42.22 | daemonkeeper | thepro4ever: Pehaps because you are using a binary compatible Windows layer? |
| 02:44.05 | thepro4ever | daemonkeeper: whatevas man |
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| 02:55.57 | thepro4ever | how do i open my cdrom drive |
| 02:56.04 | thepro4ever | it won't open now that i have a cd in it |
| 02:56.23 | thepro4ever | nvm |
| 02:58.55 | beardy | I suppose you unmounted it. |
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| 02:59.05 | thepro4ever | i clicked eject in the filemanager display |
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| 02:59.20 | Sonne | Alt + F2 -> eject |
| 02:59.32 | thepro4ever | Sonne: that is pro |
| 02:59.36 | Sonne | that will always work, supposing you run gnome |
| 02:59.48 | beardy | That's a big assumption. |
| 02:59.48 | thepro4ever | i do |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | or keep a paper clip handy :) |
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| 03:08.09 | p3rror | abrotman, i have a question |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | i didn't do it |
| 03:08.44 | p3rror | abrotman, i have vlan running ipv6 |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | how did i get singled out? :) |
| 03:09.03 | p3rror | abrotman, they have to same tagg and can not talk eatch other |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | p3rror: what makes you think i'll know? |
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| 03:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that's a genesis song, I think you're quoting |
| 03:10.25 | p3rror | abrotman, i don't know |
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| 03:25.17 | frewsxcv | does anyone know how to enable tap to click on my laptop? syanptics option? xorg? openbox option? |
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| 03:34.36 | dondelelcaro | frewsxcv: assuming it's a touchpad which is driven by synaptics, you can use synclient or one of the many gui methods of controlling it |
| 03:34.44 | dondelelcaro | frewsxcv: if it's not, then I don't know how to modify it |
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| 03:49.53 | miasma | hi, what's the best way to set up lpd with cups in debian? |
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| 03:50.30 | miasma | i happened to found a device that wants to send stuff to port 515 so i needed lpd instead of ipp for printing |
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| 03:58.30 | miasma | ok, i managed to do that. apparently i had to set up the inet superserver as suggested here http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#8_2 |
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| 04:32.13 | gonzaloaf | hello, how do I know in what of the devices is my debian installed? |
| 04:33.25 | streuner | try fdisk -l |
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| 04:34.52 | gonzaloaf | streuner, I have many Linux filesystems, how do I know in what of these are my debian installed? |
| 04:36.05 | streuner | mount every Linux FS and run cat /etc/debian_version? |
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| 04:37.38 | gonzaloaf | ok, I found it |
| 04:38.06 | gonzaloaf | thanks, now how do I know what linux installations are my grub pointing to? |
| 04:38.28 | gonzaloaf | (I'm using grub v2) |
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| 04:39.41 | magik- | anyone know how i can figure out why iptables will only route some traffic to the web (such as STEAM chat) but not irc or www (using linux as a router) |
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| 04:43.05 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg? but read http://wiki.debian.org/Grub too |
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| 04:54.01 | Rusty1 | magik-: you can paste the output of iptables -L and maybe someone here will answer or /join # netfilter and ask there |
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| 05:50.58 | cmyers | ugh... I am trying to install grub on this hard drive which I am going to put into another machine. I have reasons I need to bootstrap it this way. Grub2 is "different". does anyone know of a guide or walkthrough for installing grub2 with a different configuration on a different device than your root device? |
| 05:51.05 | JordiGH | Got an issue with d-i, I think. Does it matter which version of boot.img.gz and which netinst iso I downloaded? It complained about not being able to find kernel modules (and couldn't find the network card). |
| 05:51.25 | JordiGH | Squeeze install, trying to do a usb flash drive netinst. |
| 05:51.26 | cmyers | I read the manpage for grub-install and saw the --root-directory option, but using it still caused it to install the wrong kernel so it couldn't find the kernel when I moved it to the other machine |
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| 05:55.12 | daedhel | z |
| 05:55.36 | daedhel | cmyers, i can help you a bit perhaps |
| 05:55.55 | daedhel | cmyers, you will need to mount your drive and chroot in it |
| 05:56.31 | daedhel | cmyers, then resintall grub |
| 05:56.35 | cmyers | daedhel: ok, so I can't use the --root-directory option, I have to actually chroot in it. I think that grub isn't installed on it though. so I guess I have to install grub into it also? |
| 05:56.44 | JordiGH | Okay, the linux you load from boot.img.gz provided right now is 2.6.26-stuff but the one in the iso is 2.6.32-stuff. When d-i looks for kernel modules, where does it look for them? |
| 05:56.59 | daedhel | cmyers, here is a good tutorial for chroot |
| 05:57.01 | daedhel | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chroot |
| 05:57.31 | cmyers | daedhel: sweet, thanks - I am pretty familiar with chroot. it is mostly the grub part that is confusing me. with no menu.lst, where does it get its configs from? |
| 05:57.51 | daedhel | cmyers, is it grub-legacy or grub2 ? |
| 05:58.12 | cmyers | I believe it is grub2. my laptop I am doing this from is running debian sid |
| 05:58.31 | cmyers | the hard drive I am trying to install onto is a slightly modified debian sarge from ~2005 |
| 05:58.37 | daedhel | cmyers, you need to know what grub you are fixing |
| 05:58.38 | cmyers | (long story) |
| 05:58.59 | cmyers | grub on my laptop is 1.98+20100804-8 |
| 05:59.28 | daedhel | cmyers, the grub version of your host box does not matter |
| 05:59.43 | JordiGH | Where does d-i look for modules? Why wasn't it able to find any? |
| 05:59.43 | cmyers | daedhel: awesome, that is what I was hoping =) |
| 05:59.52 | cmyers | the host box was using lilo =) |
| 06:00.12 | daedhel | cmyers, i assume you wanna repair a grub1 install on your drive |
| 06:00.46 | daedhel | cmyers, dont get me wrong |
| 06:00.46 | cmyers | daedhel: I dactually don't care if it is grub 1 or 2 (or really, even lilo - it used to use lilo) I just want to make booting from the disk work |
| 06:00.54 | daedhel | the host is the laptop |
| 06:01.07 | cmyers | instead of copying the old disk byte for byte with dd, I recreated the partition tables and rsync'd the contents so I could resize it |
| 06:01.14 | cmyers | so now I just need to get the bootable part working. |
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| 06:01.31 | cmyers | daedhel: oh, I see what you meant |
| 06:01.37 | daedhel | cmyers, you will have to make lilo work again then |
| 06:01.56 | daedhel | cmyers, you will have to reinstall lilo to the mbr |
| 06:02.19 | cmyers | daedhel: ah, I see =( well if that is what is easiest... so chroot in and run the lilo magic - I can try reading the lilo manpage and see what I can figure out |
| 06:02.34 | cmyers | thanks daedhel - I'll let you know how it goes. |
| 06:02.56 | daedhel | cmyers, the easiest way would be to boot with a live cd, mount the drive, and rsync for the livecd running with the mounted drive |
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| 06:03.41 | daedhel | cmyers, i would do that instead of trying to figure out old 2005 software |
| 06:05.05 | cmyers | daedhel: I need to continue to run the old software. the hardware it runs on is specialized |
| 06:05.16 | cmyers | this is an arcade cabinent. an "In the groove" machine. |
| 06:05.26 | cmyers | (that's the complicated part =) |
| 06:05.38 | daedhel | cmyers, you said all you wanted was to salvage the data |
| 06:07.39 | cmyers | daedhel: no, I wanted to make the drive bootable by the machine. Sorry I was unclear. |
| 06:07.54 | cmyers | this is a new drive which is bigger and I am replacing the old one |
| 06:08.12 | cmyers | but I didn't want to do a byte-for-byte image, then try to muck with the partition table to expand the partitions (they are XFS) |
| 06:09.08 | daedhel | ok |
| 06:09.45 | daedhel | cmyers, if youre lucky, you will find a howto to reinstall lilo to th MBR |
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| 06:11.44 | cmyers | daedhel: chroot is giving an error: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 06:11.54 | cmyers | googling it now, finding a lot of mixed advice |
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| 06:13.09 | daedhel | cmyers, ouch |
| 06:13.18 | daedhel | cmyers, cant help much now |
| 06:13.22 | daedhel | cmyers, good luck |
| 06:13.41 | cmyers | daedhel: d'oh. this explains it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=124571 |
| 06:13.49 | cmyers | bug in the 2005-era glibc =( |
| 06:13.57 | JordiGH | Wow, a failed assert in ld? |
| 06:14.06 | JordiGH | Dammit, asserts are supposed to be debug code. :-/ |
| 06:14.48 | cmyers | JordiGH: or system level code for stuff that *really* shouldn't happen, and if it does, you want your app to die before it kills your hardware or something. |
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| 06:15.41 | JordiGH | wonders how much hardware can be instructed to self-destruct. |
| 06:15.50 | JordiGH | pushes the red button. |
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| 06:38.58 | fprimex | hi all, trying to set up multiple IP addresses using 'up ip addr add' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:39.49 | fprimex | I can ping them on the local box but not from outside the network. I can ping the first ip set by the 'address' setting |
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| 06:47.21 | Jezek | hi can anyone help me set up an email pipe, i've tried different code with no success |
| 06:47.45 | Jezek | i added a pipe in the exim4 pipe-aliases file |
| 06:47.48 | Jezek | then i ran newaliases |
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| 06:53.29 | {{localhost}} | hi |
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| 06:53.55 | Jezek | hi |
| 06:54.00 | {{localhost}} | i have a Debian server and whenever i copying data to it over NFS it crashes |
| 06:54.19 | Jezek | oh |
| 06:54.21 | xk | kernel oops? |
| 06:54.40 | {{localhost}} | [ 2225.523494] kernel BUG at fs/jbd/transaction.c:1549! |
| 06:54.53 | xk | what kernel? what local filesystem? |
| 06:55.00 | {{localhost}} | and a whole bunch of lines after that |
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| 06:55.28 | {{localhost}} | filesyatem ext3 |
| 06:55.35 | {{localhost}} | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 06:55.47 | xk | try memtest86 on the box. |
| 06:56.10 | xk | what type of server? |
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| 06:57.05 | {{localhost}} | NAS |
| 06:57.48 | xk | hardware |
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| 06:58.14 | {{localhost}} | hardware? |
| 06:58.35 | xk | is it a homemade tower server, a tier-2 rackmount (supermicro,etc)? tier-1 rackmount (hp/sun)? |
| 06:58.51 | {{localhost}} | home made |
| 06:59.01 | xk | new/recent? old? |
| 06:59.11 | {{localhost}} | new a few months |
| 06:59.21 | xk | hmm... |
| 06:59.41 | xk | i'd recommend checking the hardware |
| 06:59.47 | xk | like cpu temperature |
| 06:59.55 | xk | then check ram with memtest86 |
| 07:00.34 | xk | im running 2.6.26-2-686 with a home nfs server, and it's been faultless. |
| 07:00.56 | {{localhost}} | also does this help? http://pastebin.com/8qPvF6Tr |
| 07:00.59 | xk | quite a few years ago, I did have weird corruption... ended up being dodgey ram. but that was ancient hardware (p166) |
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| 07:01.19 | {{localhost}} | ah |
| 07:01.20 | xk | hmm |
| 07:01.29 | xk | hows your swap space? |
| 07:01.35 | xk | partition based? filesystem based? |
| 07:01.50 | {{localhost}} | partition |
| 07:09.19 | lockon | {{localhost}}, have you run a disk check yet? You can do an fsck on the file systems while they're _not_ mounted with the fsck -y /dev/sdX command, and likewise, you can find bad blocks on the drive using the badblocks -v /dev/sdX command. I'd recommend a live CD for both unless you're familiar with both. |
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| 07:10.14 | xk | how big's the partition? |
| 07:10.29 | {{localhost}} | 3TB RAIDed |
| 07:10.36 | xk | software or hardware raid? |
| 07:10.41 | {{localhost}} | hardware |
| 07:10.55 | xk | raid5 eh? |
| 07:10.59 | {{localhost}} | yap |
| 07:11.11 | xk | im not a fan of hardware raid. |
| 07:11.25 | xk | if the card dies, your data is toast. |
| 07:11.43 | {{localhost}} | even with a same model of card? |
| 07:11.53 | xk | well... can you get the same card 3-5 years time? :> |
| 07:12.03 | xk | but anyway... that's another argument altogether |
| 07:12.18 | xk | it might be possible the linux drivers for that card are not up to standard. |
| 07:12.27 | {{localhost}} | hm |
| 07:12.39 | xk | its hard to say. |
| 07:12.41 | {{localhost}} | works well before though |
| 07:12.50 | {{localhost}} | just notice it today |
| 07:12.52 | xk | as I said... could be ram. |
| 07:12.55 | {{localhost}} | yah |
| 07:13.02 | xk | how much swap space do you hvae? and how muchis used? |
| 07:13.11 | xk | and same for the data.. how much of the 3TB is used? |
| 07:13.16 | {{localhost}} | swap is 2GB |
| 07:13.33 | {{localhost}} | and about 70KB was used |
| 07:13.48 | {{localhost}} | and about 50% of 3TB |
| 07:13.59 | xk | because it looks related to kswapd. |
| 07:14.16 | xk | how about disable swap |
| 07:14.18 | xk | and see how that goes |
| 07:14.24 | xk | or... make swappiness value 0 |
| 07:14.31 | {{localhost}} | ah |
| 07:15.39 | lockon | {{localhost}}, don't rule out faulty drive in the array. |
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| 07:20.22 | neoice | has anyone here used vim code-folding in C#? it looks like 7.1 has no syntax support. does 7.2? |
| 07:21.23 | {{localhost}} | xk: so how does disabling swap help? |
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| 07:22.22 | borgu | ~ |
| 07:22.43 | jimmybgood | neoice: turn on syntax in /etc/vimrc or maybe ~/.vimrc, haven't used code-folding |
| 07:23.26 | neoice | jimmybgood: its already on. I looked at the .cs syntax file and its fairly sparse. looks like updating to vim72 is not an easy thing to do. lots of weird deps. |
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| 07:24.15 | magik- | sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE ------ Shouldn't i see the effect of that command in iptables -L ????? |
| 07:24.47 | glutton | magik-: iptables -L -t nat |
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| 07:25.50 | magik- | excellent ;) |
| 07:26.19 | magik- | OH MY GOD! 40 HOURS OF IPTABLES PAID OFF! |
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| 07:28.32 | {{localhost}} | oh no memtest shows bad RAM |
| 07:28.48 | jimmybgood | neoice: cs.vim is 154 lines in 7.2 |
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| 07:28.56 | {{localhost}} | xk^ |
| 07:29.14 | neoice | jimmybgood: I just grabbed the 73 cs.vim and grepped for "fold". one whole line. |
| 07:30.32 | jimmybgood | neoice: looks like you have project inviting you |
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| 07:30.50 | neoice | I'm looking for someone else's solution first |
| 07:32.25 | neoice | I dont loose much coloring if I use syntax=cpp |
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| 07:36.13 | norii | loose=/=lose |
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| 07:36.57 | Lantizia | Hey if I wanted to give apache2ctl an extra parameter every time debian starts it up - where abouts is the best/safest place to put it? |
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| 07:38.06 | neoice | jimmybgood: my workaround is to just set .cs files to use foldmethod=ident. close enough for now |
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| 07:43.15 | cmyers0 | *sigh* ok, so I seem to have completely boned myself. I was trying to install grub on a second hard drive and I messed up my main drive's config. my main drive was set up for encryption using the standard debian installer. /dev/sda1 is boot, /dev/sda2 is a luks encrytpted volume, inside that volume is lvm LVs for root, home, and swap. I have managed to use a live USB install to boot into debian, use luks to unlock the volum, and mount root and home. I' |
| 07:43.15 | cmyers0 | ve even chroot'd into it. but when I `dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc` it installs grub, but then I reboot and it still fails to work. says "Waiting for encrypted source device... ... done." and gives up. says something about /dev/sda2 doesn't exist too? very weird. halp! =( |
| 07:44.04 | magik- | sounds like a headache |
| 07:44.35 | magik- | fresh install should fix your problems |
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| 07:45.13 | cmyers0 | um... will the installer be able to grok my encrypted stuff and preserve my partitions if I ask it to? |
| 07:45.32 | cmyers0 | or...he quit. hmm. |
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| 09:09.22 | superlinux | hi. how can I add a context-menu/right click menu command named "Play all multimedia in this folder" ? This menu item should show up if the targeted folder contains multimedia. |
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| 09:14.23 | Lantizia | Hey if I wanted to give apache2 an extra parameter every time debian starts it up - where abouts is the best/safest place to put it? |
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| 09:16.58 | lockon | Lantizia, you could modify the /etc/init.d/apache2 script to include what you want. |
| 09:17.27 | Lantizia | lockon, have looked in there - can't see any obvious place for it |
| 09:18.14 | lockon | Lantizia, what parameter are you trying to pass it? |
| 09:18.26 | Lantizia | -D custom |
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| 09:19.02 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.36 | Lantizia | cahoot, seems to be htcacheclean options |
| 09:20.15 | lockon | Lantizia, look around line 97 of the /etc/init.d/apache2 file if you wish to modify that script. |
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| 09:20.56 | Lantizia | lockon, why that line? |
| 09:21.49 | lockon | That and above is is where the script seems to call apache, although the defaults file does make more sense. |
| 09:22.12 | Lantizia | well i did find it odd there is an apache2 stop function but not a start |
| 09:22.27 | Lantizia | so presumably the htcacheclean thing starts apache? |
| 09:23.25 | lockon | Lantizia, no, it's just an extra step before starting, really. |
| 09:25.17 | Lantizia | ok so what line _actually_ executes apache2ctl start |
| 09:25.30 | Lantizia | because I can't seem to see one |
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| 09:28.29 | amigo1 | hi |
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| 09:29.14 | amigo1 | Hope you all are doing well :) |
| 09:29.22 | amigo1 | Here is my problem |
| 09:29.45 | amigo1 | I got USB sound speakers |
| 09:30.08 | amigo1 | But these are only Win compatable |
| 09:30.36 | filePeter | amigo1: Officially or practically |
| 09:30.40 | amigo1 | Is there any way around to get a package to play this on Debian? |
| 09:30.57 | amigo1 | Officially |
| 09:31.04 | cahoot | amigo1: they don't show if you: cat /proc/asound/cards? |
| 09:31.09 | amigo1 | as per documntation |
| 09:31.12 | lockon | Lantizia, try adding it to the end of line 68 before the quote. |
| 09:31.55 | amigo1 | sorry could you please clarify |
| 09:32.04 | amigo1 | cat /proc/asound/cards? |
| 09:32.14 | cahoot | amigo1: cat /proc/asound/cards in a terminal |
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| 09:32.29 | amigo1 | Debian does not recognize it then I plug USB in |
| 09:32.45 | cahoot | dmesg tells you so? |
| 09:32.55 | amigo1 | What is supposed to happen then ? |
| 09:33.10 | amigo1 | I got no message |
| 09:33.29 | amigo1 | It just doesn't play (the speakers) |
| 09:33.50 | cahoot | ok just plug them in and run cat /proc/asound/cards - anything indicating the presence of usb-speakers? |
| 09:34.08 | amigo1 | ok let me try |
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| 09:36.21 | amigo1 | ok here what I got: |
| 09:36.30 | cahoot | do not paste here |
| 09:36.44 | cahoot | (more that 2 lines) |
| 09:36.55 | amigo1 | understood |
| 09:37.29 | amigo1 | There will be 4 lines would you mind? |
| 09:37.36 | cahoot | use a pastebin |
| 09:37.44 | CyberDomovoy | can i change the umask for a particular directory and subdirectories? |
| 09:38.14 | amigo1 | ok |
| 09:38.16 | amigo1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.16 | amigo1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.26 | cahoot | so they are recognised |
| 09:38.36 | amigo1 | so it seems to me yes they are |
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| 09:38.52 | cahoot | try speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D plughw:1 |
| 09:39.01 | amigo1 | sorry want to try to play them now |
| 09:40.09 | cahoot | amigo1: alsa sees them as your 2:nd 'soundcard' (card1) |
| 09:40.55 | cahoot | card0 being the first and presumably 'default' |
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| 09:41.18 | amigo1 | ok still the USB speakers do not play, the sound comes from my genuine laptop speakers :( |
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| 09:41.49 | amigo1 | How could I switch to my USB speakers? Any ideas? |
| 09:42.14 | cahoot | try speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D 'Speaker' |
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| 09:43.17 | amigo1 | sorry "try" is a command? |
| 09:43.28 | amigo1 | or just try? |
| 09:44.05 | cahoot | try is for you - the rest a command |
| 09:44.22 | amigo1 | got it |
| 09:45.41 | amigo1 | ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM Speaker |
| 09:45.41 | amigo1 | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 09:45.55 | cahoot | ok my bad |
| 09:45.59 | amigo1 | That' what I am getting |
| 09:46.31 | cahoot | amigo1: can you put the output of aplay -L on a pastebin? |
| 09:47.00 | amigo1 | what is pastebin ? sorry? |
| 09:47.59 | cahoot | !pastebin |
| 09:47.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:51.38 | superlinux | it looks lie no one answered my question |
| 09:51.43 | superlinux | *like |
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| 09:52.00 | superlinux | i'll repeat it |
| 09:52.05 | superlinux | hi. how can I add a context-menu/right click menu command named "Play all multimedia in this folder" ? This menu item should show up if the targeted folder contains multimedia. |
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| 09:55.43 | hazz3 | hi |
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| 09:57.44 | hazz3 | Do gnome-core install mono on my system? I really dont want to install this mono crap. |
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| 09:58.28 | Arrowmaster | hazz3: then you might as well not use gnome at all, next version of it is going to heavily depend on mono afaik |
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| 09:58.54 | Arrowmaster | current version only depends on it because of the tomboy app which you can just remove |
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| 09:59.13 | hazz3 | gnote is the tomboy clone, right? |
| 09:59.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think |
| 09:59.27 | CyberDomovoy | i have: /mnt/data = rwxrwsr-x root data this way any member of group "data" can read/write files in that folder, and folders are created with +s for the group. Nice, but because umask is 022, members of group "data" can't create files in directories created by other users. I don't want to change umask globally, is there a way to do it just for /mnt/data? |
| 09:59.49 | hazz3 | I'd use kde in squeeze but kde4 seems really buggy |
| 10:00.12 | Arrowmaster | CyberDomovoy: i think you can do something using ACLs to mess with the umask |
| 10:00.34 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> any ressource i can read? |
| 10:00.44 | amigo1 | Back to my problem (if anyone still listens) |
| 10:01.01 | amigo1 | That's what I get on speakers testing: http://paste.debian.net/104116/ |
| 10:01.04 | cahoot | still waiting for the pastebin |
| 10:01.14 | hazz3 | btw, anyone runs also debian on a macbook here? |
| 10:01.34 | cahoot | amigo1: can you put the output of aplay -L on a pastebin? |
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| 10:01.51 | Arrowmaster | CyberDomovoy: sorry, im just going on memory from something i read before, but hopefully it points you in the right direction |
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| 10:02.39 | amigo1 | sorry what is applay -L and how can I use it? |
| 10:02.48 | Internat | cant you sent the umask for a mount point? |
| 10:02.53 | amigo1 | I just pated my stuff on patebin |
| 10:02.53 | Internat | i thought that was a mount option |
| 10:02.56 | cahoot | run aplay -L in a terminal |
| 10:03.19 | amigo1 | and what happens then? |
| 10:03.34 | Internat | yeah umask is a mount option |
| 10:03.36 | cahoot | run aplay -L in a terminal and see? |
| 10:03.38 | Internat | so you should be able to use it there |
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| 10:04.28 | amigo1 | applay -L > command not found :( |
| 10:04.30 | Arrowmaster | Internat: umask as a mount option is only for filesystems that dont support the posix permission model |
| 10:04.48 | cahoot | amigo1: check your spelling:aplay |
| 10:04.51 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> yes, thanks, i never used ACL before, time to read about it |
| 10:04.56 | amigo1 | sorry : aplay or applay? |
| 10:05.10 | kgoetz | surely changing the usmask is eaiser? |
| 10:05.12 | amigo1 | I type "applay" |
| 10:05.14 | kgoetz | *umask |
| 10:05.22 | Internat | oh really? |
| 10:05.27 | cahoot | amigo1: told you 3 times |
| 10:05.34 | Internat | bugga |
| 10:05.36 | Arrowmaster | kgoetz: users could still change it back on their own and the problem would still exist |
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| 10:06.26 | kgoetz | Arrowmaster: you can set it per mount (i assume /mnt/data is its own mount) |
| 10:06.39 | hazz3 | Arrowmaster: so gnome-core is mono free? |
| 10:06.43 | Arrowmaster | no, you cant |
| 10:07.13 | kgoetz | hazz3: 'apt-cache show gnome-core' and check its dependencies |
| 10:07.14 | Arrowmaster | hazz3: yes |
| 10:07.50 | amigo1 | ok this is my "aplay -L" output > http://paste.debian.net/104117/ |
| 10:08.15 | kgoetz | Arrowmaster: hm, you can'[t on ext*. i take it back then. |
| 10:08.26 | Arrowmaster | oh wow, gnote now is a virtual package of tomboy so i guess it should work as a drop in and you can still use the 'gnome' package |
| 10:08.37 | hazz3 | thanks |
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| 10:09.02 | Arrowmaster | kgoetz: yeah i already said that, the umask uid and gid mount options are only for filesystems that dont support the standard linux permission system |
| 10:09.19 | cahoot | amigo1: no speakers there - they're still connected? |
| 10:09.29 | amigo1 | yes they are |
| 10:09.44 | amigo1 | the light is on |
| 10:10.01 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is it possible to dist-upgrade a running system from 32bit to 64bit? |
| 10:10.03 | Arrowmaster | hmm trying to remember but i think i remember seeing something that altered file permission by directory, probably using fuse |
| 10:10.08 | Arrowmaster | hid3: no |
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| 10:10.28 | cahoot | amigo1: unplug/replug them then run dmesg - read the last 20 or so lines of dmesg for any msg about them |
| 10:10.34 | hid3 | Thanks |
| 10:10.52 | amigo1 | will try thanks |
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| 10:12.48 | pabs3 | Arrowmaster: no more/less use of Mono in GNOME 3.0 than 2.0 http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths#GNOME_3.0_depends_on_Mono.21 |
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| 10:13.03 | amigo1 | that's what I get with "dmesg" > http://paste.debian.net/104118/ |
| 10:14.00 | amigo1 | am I good to play them now? |
| 10:14.06 | Arrowmaster | could have sworn gnome-shell depended on mono at some point |
| 10:14.07 | cahoot | amigo1: and aply -l ? might as well run aplay -L too |
| 10:14.21 | cahoot | doh aplay |
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| 10:14.52 | amigo1 | ok so now what? aply -l ? |
| 10:15.04 | cahoot | typing error |
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| 10:15.13 | cahoot | aplay -l and -L |
| 10:15.26 | amigo1 | good |
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| 10:17.03 | amigo1 | ok this is my aplay -l output > http://paste.debian.net/104119/ |
| 10:17.22 | hazz3 | why is kde4 so buggy, I changed the resolution of my display and now there are black stripes in the taskbar. The only way to fix this is restart X. |
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| 10:19.54 | cahoot | try this: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D plug:Speaker |
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| 10:22.36 | amigo1 | cahoot: no luck again > No such file or directory |
| 10:23.41 | cahoot | and this? speaker-test -t wav -c 2 -D hw:1 |
| 10:24.29 | amigo1 | it worked now :) |
| 10:25.35 | cahoot | amigo1: if you want the usb-speakers to be 'default' you could make it so tha their module (snd-usbaudio) always gets index 0 |
| 10:25.39 | amigo1 | ok and how could I switch to the USB speakers now? |
| 10:26.34 | amigo1 | I'd like to have a list of priority sound devices |
| 10:26.44 | amigo1 | if possible |
| 10:26.55 | cahoot | amigo1: some sound apps lets you direct their output to the alsa device of your choice |
| 10:28.09 | amigo1 | but for time being is there a fast way of switching sound devices? |
| 10:29.06 | amigo1 | ok how can I make snd-usbaudio index 0 ? |
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| 10:32.16 | amigo1 | bash: mplayer: command not found |
| 10:32.37 | cahoot | amigo1: what player do you use? |
| 10:33.03 | amigo1 | hmmm flash |
| 10:33.10 | amigo1 | on a website |
| 10:33.27 | cahoot | the I suppose you want the usb-speakers as card0 |
| 10:33.54 | amigo1 | yes I do |
| 10:34.14 | cahoot | amigo1: the generic methos is described under 3:15 here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ |
| 10:34.16 | amigo1 | but how should I reorder those two cards? |
| 10:34.24 | cahoot | s/methos/method/ |
| 10:35.21 | hazz3 | which programming language is cool for writing an own blog? I had a look on ruby with the framework rails, but I guess it will use too much memory on a vserver. Java also need a lot of ressources and php is the hate. any tips? |
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| 10:38.42 | petemc | hazz3: arc |
| 10:40.06 | hazz3 | it looks like a lisp dialect |
| 10:40.38 | babilen | hazz3: Python + flask/django/pyramid or haskell + snap or erlang + nitrogen or scala + lift or ⦠just pick your poison |
| 10:41.09 | babilen | hazz3: Or just use one of the million blog engines out there |
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| 10:41.49 | hazz3 | babilen: yeah, its a choice, but I want to learn something, so I planned to write one myself :P |
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| 10:54.04 | hazz3 | babilen: thanks, scala looks cool |
| 10:54.38 | cahoot | amigo1: how's it going? |
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| 10:57.19 | babilen | hazz3: Yeah, scala is great. I recommend "Programming in Scala" if you want to learn it. There is a new edition coming up soon, so you might not want to invest money in the old one right now. |
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| 10:58.40 | amigo1 | thank you cahoot |
| 10:58.49 | amigo1 | for the help |
| 10:58.55 | hazz3 | babilen: how good is the performance of scala? |
| 10:59.00 | cahoot | amigo1: got it fixed? |
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| 10:59.15 | babilen | hazz3: http://learnyousomeerlang.com/ + http://learnyouahaskell.com/ are also good tutorials (take a look at all of these languages, although I guess you'll either settle on Erlang or Scala) |
| 10:59.32 | kenifanying | hi,I am a newbie, I want to upgrade lenny to squeeze, but I don't know how to do that. anyone can help me? |
| 10:59.38 | amigo1 | I did not |
| 10:59.56 | amigo1 | it seems more complex then I thought |
| 11:00.14 | cahoot | amigo1: this should do: echo -e "options snd-usb-audio index=0 \noptions snd-hda-intel index=1" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf - then you need reload alsa: alsa force-reload - all as root |
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| 11:00.50 | babilen | hazz3: Same as Java, but much better idioms/readable code/modern programming language features -- I particularly like the Syntax, which enables you to write code that feels native ... Well, but this is getting a bit OT, so ⦠have fun |
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| 11:02.14 | amigo1 | ok what I really want is simple priority : meaning if USB is available > system plays trough USB speakers if not it uses default ones |
| 11:02.41 | amigo1 | just like Windos do |
| 11:03.32 | amigo1 | I managed to make some changes on SYSTEM > SOUND PREFERENCES |
| 11:03.56 | amigo1 | USB works well, but I can't control sound volume then |
| 11:04.24 | amigo1 | it just plays as loud as it can :( |
| 11:04.30 | amigo1 | This is crazzy |
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| 11:05.34 | cahoot | amigo1: the mixer applet doesn't let you choose with device to control? |
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| 11:16.11 | CyberDomovoy | is there any way, using ACL i guess, to say that under directory "foo", files should be created "rw-r--r--", and directories "rwxrwsr-x"? |
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| 11:18.08 | hid3 | How do I reconfigure an already installed package? (For example console-data, to change keyboard layout, etc) |
| 11:18.29 | babilen | hid3: dpkg-reconfigure PKG |
| 11:18.37 | hid3 | Oh, thanks |
| 11:18.41 | babilen | yw |
| 11:18.48 | hid3 | I was trying dpkg --reconfigure and similar combinations ;-) |
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| 11:26.48 | hcfd | Hi. I need Ubuntu to support my 6-port serial card. I modified /etc/grub.d/40_custom to add a boot option with some extra kernel options, "config_serial_8250_runtime_uarts=6 config_serial_nr_uarts=6" --- this did not change the listings in /dev, I still only see ttyS0 through ttyS3. Can anyone help? I have posted relevant info with appropriate omissions here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552138/ |
| 11:27.56 | babilen | hcfd: Try #ubuntu (and take a look at /etc/default/grub -- not sure if Ubuntu works that way though, so ask them) |
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| 11:30.39 | hcfd | babilen, I have and not got a response yet. I appreciate that Debian != Ubuntu, but this is a linux kernel issue non-specific to any distro imho, but Debian and Ubuntu have common ground here as they both use GRUB2 afaik. I don't want to offend anyone here and I hope you can all see that this is related to linux, albeit not to Debian specifically. Thank you. |
| 11:31.09 | CyberDomovoy | is there a way, with ACLs i guess, that under directory "foo", files are created "rw-r--r--", and directories "rwxrwxr-x"? |
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| 11:33.24 | babilen | hcfd: Still, Ubuntu is not supported in here. -- /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 11:36.56 | hcfd | babilen, are you saying that the linux kernel is not supported in here? |
| 11:38.51 | babilen | hcfd: Try ##linux for general Linux support. Please understand that we can't support every single distribution in here that is based on Debian. I really don't want to be unfriendly and unwelcoming, but we just can't know all other distributions and support them well. |
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| 11:42.33 | mknob | I've installed Debian Squeeze with gnome-core and I'm trying to mount an external usb drive with ntfs but I'm getting this "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1". I've installed ntfs-3g, is there anything else I need? |
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| 11:43.33 | cahoot | how did you try mount? |
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| 11:43.54 | treebeen | mknob: mount -t ntfs-3g? |
| 11:44.07 | cahoot | ..and you're sure you try the correct device? |
| 11:44.22 | hcfd | babilen, I understand. Thanks for clarifying the position. I will no doubt find my answer :) |
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| 11:45.03 | mknob | cahoot: Just by plugging it in. |
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| 11:45.36 | babilen | hcfd: Good luck! |
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| 11:46.43 | Arrowmaster | CyberDomovoy: this might be a better solution for you http://code.google.com/p/bindfs/ |
| 11:47.31 | hcfd | babilen, thanks guy :) |
| 11:47.45 | mknob | Actually I plug the usb harddrive in and press "Elements" in Nautilus, that's when the error appears |
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| 11:51.50 | babilen | mknob: Could you try to mount it manually as suggested by treebeen and report on the results? |
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| 11:52.37 | babilen | mknob: Also make sure that you are a member of the "plugdev" group -- see output of "group" to check |
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| 11:55.10 | cahoot | groups |
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| 11:55.28 | babilen | uh oh -- right, thanks :) |
| 11:55.33 | mknob | babilen: the command group does not exist, apparently. and this is what happens when trying to mount, it's in swedish but maybe it looks familiar http://debian.pastebin.com/C0GEfgjK |
| 11:55.40 | mknob | ah, groups! |
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| 11:55.56 | mknob | output of groups is "root" |
| 11:56.11 | babilen | mknob: run "LANG=C mount -t ntfs-3g â¦" ... |
| 11:56.28 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> bindfs seems interesting, but what if someone find a way to act directly on the original directory, and not on the binded one? then it is useless |
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| 11:57.13 | babilen | mknob: You are logging in as root? I thought that you are using a normal user account when you try to mount the disk from nautilus. |
| 11:57.18 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> imo this leads to more potential misconfiguration: 1) on the original directory, 2) on the bind |
| 11:57.38 | Arrowmaster | CyberDomovoy: you should be able to bind it back onto the same directory, nobody will see the original |
| 11:57.40 | mknob | http://debian.pastebin.com/JFQCpgeF |
| 11:57.55 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> hmmm, right |
| 11:58.11 | Arrowmaster | CyberDomovoy: its a ubuntu forum post so quality is bad but it should give you a vague idea of how to use it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460472 |
| 11:58.21 | babilen | mknob: And you need to provide another argument that specifies the mountpoint (the location WHERE your disk is mounted -- I suggest "mkdir /mnt/foobar" + "LANG=C mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foobar" |
| 11:58.27 | mknob | babilen: oh, sorry i was doing it as root in the terminal. this is the real output for my user "mikaela cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev bluetooth netdev" |
| 11:58.39 | babilen | mknob: That looks good |
| 11:59.42 | mknob | babilen: doh, I totally forgot about the mount point. Now it works. But why isn't it mounting automatically? |
| 12:01.24 | babilen | mknob: Ok, so it works if you do it manually and as root, but fails from withing gnome (udisk IIRC) -- I have never had to deal with NTFS drives, so I am not entirely sure. But I remember that people had to alter their /etc/fstab in order to make it user accessible. -- /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 12:02.29 | mknob | babilen: Thank you! |
| 12:03.36 | babilen | mknob: don't forget to umount the drive / remove /etc/foobar ;) |
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| 12:20.15 | Benkinooby | hi, i want to make a minimal install pendrive, so i followed the manual until i got sudo zcat Desktop/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 12:20.15 | Benkinooby | bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied the pendirve is unmountedto |
| 12:20.55 | babilen | Benkinooby: Do it as root |
| 12:21.06 | babilen | "sudo -i" for example |
| 12:21.28 | Benkinooby | i used sudo. atm i am on ubunut |
| 12:21.46 | Benkinooby | let me try sudo -i and report back |
| 12:21.55 | babilen | Benkinooby: Do it as root and head over to #ubuntu -- I am not sure how this works on Ubuntu. |
| 12:22.39 | Benkinooby | babilen, now it works |
| 12:22.52 | Benkinooby | seems that i have top use sudo -i and then execute |
| 12:22.57 | babilen | Benkinooby: The reason for that is that the i/o redirect is unpriviliged |
| 12:23.07 | Benkinooby | ah, ok |
| 12:23.12 | babilen | the " > ..." |
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| 12:23.45 | Benkinooby | got it, thank you babilen ... i was allready a bit shocked when reading that sudo has not sufficient permissions ;) |
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| 12:24.26 | Benkinooby | babilen, thank you for your support -> i'm off to reboot and install... |
| 12:24.28 | babilen | Benkinooby: What you were executing translates to: (sudo zcat Desktop/boot.img.gz) > /dev/sdb |
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| 12:25.26 | babilen | Benkinooby: Welcome back -- I just wanted to suggest to actually install Squeeze and not Lenny (I assume that you are installing this on a netbook) |
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| 12:25.31 | babilen | gah |
| 12:25.49 | babilen | until later -- may you all have a nice day |
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| 12:25.56 | babilen | Benkinooby: Welcome back -- I just wanted to suggest to actually install Squeeze and not Lenny (I assume that you are installing this on a netbook) |
| 12:25.59 | babilen | cya |
| 12:27.17 | soby | Is it possible to have a hard link spanning two files in different filesystems? |
| 12:27.21 | soby | anyone? |
| 12:27.44 | xk | nope |
| 12:27.46 | llutz | soby: no |
| 12:28.07 | soby | okke...can you tell me what will be the reason |
| 12:28.08 | soby | ? |
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| 12:28.37 | llutz | soby: hardlinks are only possible on the same filesystem |
| 12:29.12 | soby | okk |
| 12:29.20 | llutz | symlinks can |
| 12:29.29 | soby | okke |
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| 12:30.18 | MooseMorals | what's the name of the script that adds/removes entries from /etc/rc[0-6].d? |
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| 12:30.27 | llutz | update-rc.d |
| 12:30.54 | MooseMorals | yeh, thats obvious. Thank you :) |
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| 12:35.13 | soby | can you use a 8k block ext3 filesystem on x86 machines?? |
| 12:35.31 | ^DEMOSS^ | yes |
| 12:37.31 | soby | demoss: can you explain me more about it?? |
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| 12:43.49 | soby | What type of file system would be most suitable for a character device? |
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| 12:46.50 | ^DEMOSS^ | more information about this, what do you want to do ? soby |
| 12:47.58 | soby | demoss: doing a questionaire for an interview...need to explain the answer |
| 12:48.24 | petemc | heh |
| 12:48.24 | MooseMorals | Can aptitute tell me what package provides a particular file (if that file doesn't exist on my machine)? |
| 12:48.44 | petemc | apt-file |
| 12:49.22 | MooseMorals | Um, what package provides apt-file? |
| 12:49.31 | petemc | apt-file |
| 12:49.43 | MooseMorals | should have guessed that :) |
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| 12:52.43 | soby | What type of file system would be most suitable for a character device? |
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| 12:54.00 | MooseMorals | Face it soby, I don't think you're getting this job |
| 12:54.46 | soby | moosemorals: tanks mate |
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| 12:55.22 | petemc | soby: do you know what a character device is? |
| 12:55.25 | stew | soby: you have an interview where they want to this channels knowlege before they decide whether or not to hire you? |
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| 12:57.06 | ivan-kanis | I am running Debian squeeze and the printer won't work |
| 12:57.31 | ivan-kanis | I can see it when I am running lsusb, i have added my user to the lp group |
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| 12:59.27 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 13:00.54 | ragnar76 | i need a tap0 network device. i did everything described in the howto but it doesnt work. can someone give me a hint how to create one? |
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| 13:04.09 | CyberDomovoy | Arrowmaster> found a really nice way to do what i wanted by using ACL and imonitor :) all that i can't do with ACL is done by monitoring the directory with icrond |
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| 13:18.48 | dynamite | Hey, im having some odd problem here. Im on a shell running mutt. shell locale is set to de_DE.UTF-8 - when writing an email with umlauts, they are shown fine, but on the reciever end (public freemail account) they appear bugged. same counts for commandline IM. Any idea what could cause that? |
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| 13:19.24 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:19.26 | przemo | hello |
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| 13:31.33 | treebeen | dynamite: yeah, maybe the receiver is not using unicode? |
| 13:31.53 | dynamite | doubtful. |
| 13:32.51 | treebeen | well, one quick look at thunderbird tells me that the default encoding is set to western |
| 13:33.33 | treebeen | (or icedove as it is called in debian) |
| 13:33.38 | dynamite | yea |
| 13:33.45 | dynamite | well, its a german freemail provider |
| 13:33.56 | dynamite | and i have the same issue using bitlbee |
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| 14:13.08 | mknob | I just installed a .deb with dpkg -i bla.deb, how do I uninstall it? |
| 14:14.42 | mknob | Ah I figured out what the name had been changed to and did dpkg -P newname |
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| 14:18.22 | Shine-neko | Dites quelqu'un un dépot ou svn est a jour ? |
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| 14:21.54 | WhatThePfargtl | hello everyone. I'm running on debian unstable. I'm having a problem with konqueror where when i try to load my home directory from the kde launcher or somewhere, it will launch window after window ad naseum until i kill the process. When i try to browse directly, i get the error: "There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but it cannot handle this file type." A google search for |
| 14:21.56 | WhatThePfargtl | the problem found this entry: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2008-January/040719.html which seems to be what's going on, but for some reason konq_iconview doesn't appear in the list of services to add. Anyone know how to fix this? Am i missing a package? |
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| 14:25.42 | Jemt | Hello. How do I execute a shell script using chroot ? I don't suppose I can do "chroot environment ./script.sh" - invoking it using 'sh' is not an option - it won't work |
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| 14:37.46 | Genscher | Hey :) Is there a way to let deb files install user files into home/<user>/.local/share/myApp ? Or is the debian way different? (like e.g. installing that into /usr/share and then the app has to copy the file from there to /home/<user>/.local/share) |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | probably the latter would be preferred .. |
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| 14:42.08 | Genscher | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:43.10 | iulhk | using ubuntu 8.04 server, i hv installed apt-get xvfb, getting problem, will anybody please take a look at this issue "http://paste.ubuntu.com/552182/"? |
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| 14:44.05 | babilen | iulhk: Try #ubuntu |
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| 14:51.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody know, how i can install linux on machine, if i have ssh \ftp access to machine ? |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 14:52.11 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 14:53.27 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:54.01 | eptalon | where the heck is glassfish (the utility scripts, such as asadmin) in debian (sid)? _ I didn't find any gf package |
| 14:54.32 | babilen | !apt-file |
| 14:54.32 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 14:55.48 | eptalon | babilen: doesn't seem to exist.. |
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| 14:56.30 | babilen | eptalon: "apt-cache search glassfish" comes up with a few results. |
| 14:57.12 | abrotman | eptalon: so maybe it's not packaged? |
| 14:57.57 | ^DEMOSS^ | abrotman yeah )) thanks |
| 14:58.01 | ^DEMOSS^ | debootstrap )) |
| 14:58.37 | babilen | eptalon: You might have to install it from upstream -- /msg dpkg stow -- because at least "asadmin" does not seem to be packaged. |
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| 14:59.16 | eptalon | the problem I have that there seem to be a few "glassfish-something" packages, but nonoe of them contains the binaries; what use is an application server you cannot start? |
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| 14:59.49 | eptalon | babilen: asadmin is a shellscript... |
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| 15:01.12 | eptalon | I'll see what I can do |
| 15:01.16 | eptalon | thanks.. |
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| 15:01.56 | ion_ | hi |
| 15:02.09 | eptalon | hello |
| 15:02.52 | ion_ | I think the mirror where I get my updated doesn't work so anyone here to help me out, please |
| 15:02.54 | babilen | eptalon: #glassfish and/or ##java might know how to install gf on Debian. I have never deployed that, so I don't know it off hand. |
| 15:03.47 | babilen | ion_: Just use a different mirror -- /msg dpkg mirrors -- but first: What is the problem? What do you mean by "doesn't work"? Is it just chilling on the couch? |
| 15:04.24 | ion_ | babilen: I triend to changed but I had more bugs then before. ... |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | ion_: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 15:05.44 | ion_ | abrotman:sure |
| 15:05.48 | babilen | ion_: Please specify -- If you can not do that, paste relevant output and /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net. Which mirrors did you try? What are the errors? What did you expect to happen? |
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| 15:06.45 | tdn | How do I upgrade from lenny (stable) to squeeze (testing)? |
| 15:06.51 | babilen | tdn: I |
| 15:06.58 | tdn | !lenny |
| 15:06.58 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.7>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 15:07.03 | tdn | !squeeze |
| 15:07.03 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 15:07.11 | ion_ | babilen: Sorry to ask but what's the url for the debian pastbin, please |
| 15:07.14 | babilen | tdn: ⦠would read the release notes. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 15:07.26 | babilen | ion_: I told you -- http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:07.28 | tdn | babilen, thanks. |
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| 15:07.48 | markit | hi, is it more recent and updated linux-image-2.6.37-rc7-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-amd64 ? |
| 15:08.02 | markit | s/updated/up to date |
| 15:08.30 | babilen | tdn: And don't follow any of the "just replace lenny with squeeze + aptitude full-upgrade" tutorials. There are a couple of things that you need to take of and all of them are explained in the release notes. |
| 15:08.54 | ion_ | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/104134 |
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| 15:09.08 | babilen | tdn: Such as: Use apt-get, make sure that you upgrade udev and the kernel together, reboot, continue ... (yadda yadda, ...) |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | ion_: generally, you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org |
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| 15:10.36 | ion_ | abrotman:so which one do I have to use, then ? |
| 15:10.40 | abrotman | ion_: perhaps instead use "deb http://debs.ifsul.edu.br/debian/ lenny main" |
| 15:10.49 | babilen | ion_: Ok, couple of problems. Backports is official right now and you would therefore use "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" and it is also a good idea not to use "ftp.debian.org" but one of the mirrors -- /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | markit: the latter probably depends on the former |
| 15:11.46 | babilen | ion_: Ah, I see abrotman kindly searched for a good one already -- Just make the changes we proposed (paste your sources.list again if you are unsure) and run "aptitude update" |
| 15:11.52 | ion_ | babilen: okay so I have to remove backdoors ? |
| 15:12.03 | ion_ | babilen: sorry backports |
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| 15:12.55 | babilen | ion_: No, you don't have to remove it altogether. It is just that the URL changed. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for the latest instruction. Backports are now official and hosted by Debian |
| 15:12.55 | ion_ | babilen: the only issue is I have to install lazarus so how I'm gonna do thins without using backports ? |
| 15:14.11 | babilen | ion_: Basically: replace "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" with "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" in your sources list and replace the ftp.debian.org mirror with the one abrotman suggested. |
| 15:15.23 | ion_ | babilen: If I do it the way you're saying how to my debian is goingo to recognised which one is right ...I mean the version ... |
| 15:15.51 | ion_ | babilen: so I have to remove that says lenny-backports? |
| 15:16.11 | tdn | babilen, ok. I am reading http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html right now. I guess that is kosher? |
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| 15:17.05 | babilen | ion_: The URL for backports CHANGED from www.backports.org (which you have in your sources.list) to backports.debian.org -- I am merely suggesting to CHANGE it in your sources.list |
| 15:17.07 | tdn | !lenny->squeeze |
| 15:17.23 | babilen | tdn: That is exactly that I was referring to |
| 15:17.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell tdn -about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:17.57 | babilen | tdn: dpkg has problem with "!" and "->" and the same time |
| 15:17.59 | abrotman | tdn: msg the bot please |
| 15:18.01 | tdn | babilen, what you were referring to as something NOT to follow? Or something to follow? |
| 15:18.02 | ion_ | babilen: Look I gonna make the changes put it on the pastbin and tell me whether is right or not ... |
| 15:18.08 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
| 15:18.25 | babilen | tdn: One of the million other "tutorials" or blog posts on the interweb |
| 15:18.28 | tdn | abrotman, I did, but I would like to show the answer in the channel for babilen :) |
| 15:18.35 | babilen | ion_: good idea :) |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | tdn: he knows what it says .. we don't all need to see it |
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| 15:18.55 | tdn | abrotman, ok. |
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| 15:19.23 | babilen | brb -- need some tea |
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| 15:23.12 | tdn | Just curious, why not use aptitude for upgrade but rather apt-get? Is it generally not recommended to use aptitude anymore? |
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| 15:24.46 | Enverex | Should dhcp3-server not install an init script of some sort in /etc/inid.d? |
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| 15:25.28 | abrotman | Enverex: lenny? |
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| 15:25.57 | ion_ | abrotman:have a look : http://paste.debian.net/104135/ |
| 15:25.58 | Enverex | abrotman, Sid, although if I remember correctly this file has been missing for some time |
| 15:26.16 | abrotman | Enverex: that's not the package anymore |
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| 15:26.41 | Enverex | abrotman, Yeah, it's isc-dhcp-server isn't it, that is installed though |
| 15:26.47 | abrotman | ion_: backports.debian.org .. not www.backports.debian.org |
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| 15:27.21 | abrotman | Enverex: so the script would be like /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server |
| 15:28.04 | Enverex | abrotman, Good point. I thought the good old generic "dhcpd" would have stuck for the init script as it's such a global thing. I guess not. |
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| 15:28.31 | abrotman | Enverex: apt-file or dpkg -L are your friend |
| 15:28.58 | Enverex | abrotman, I did grep dpkg -l after joining this channel and noticed the package name.. |
| 15:29.41 | ion_ | abrotman: I got that from a website..perhpas that was the reasons for the bugs....thanks ... |
| 15:29.54 | ion_ | babilen: thanks for you too... |
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| 15:30.34 | abrotman | Enverex: -l and -L are different |
| 15:30.38 | babilen | tdn: No, not at all. Just use it for the upgrade. |
| 15:30.43 | babilen | ion_: You are welcome. |
| 15:30.51 | Enverex | True, but it served it's purpose. |
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| 15:31.23 | ion_ | babilen: let's see if works now bucause I still have to install lazarus .... |
| 15:31.29 | luminoso | is there any easy way to have 2.6.37 in sid? |
| 15:31.41 | Enverex | That said, does the isc-dhcp-server use /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf or a diffent file? It isn't too obvious |
| 15:31.41 | dvs | lumines: compile it yourself? |
| 15:32.13 | abrotman | Enverex: the man page should say |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | luminoso: get it from experimental ? |
| 15:32.44 | tdn | babilen, ok. Is aptitude recommended for general use over apt-get? |
| 15:32.55 | tdn | babilen, or is neither prefered over the other? |
| 15:32.55 | dvs | tdn: yes |
| 15:32.59 | tdn | dvs, ok. |
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| 15:34.08 | ion_ | babilen: man didn't work look : http://paste.debian.net/104138/ |
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| 15:34.37 | babilen | tdn: Use whatever you feel more comfortable with, but note that aptitude has much more sophisticated (interactive) dependency handling. I personally use aptitude, but others prefer apt-get. |
| 15:34.48 | luminoso | abrotman, k. thank you |
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| 15:35.07 | honeypot | How to add gpg key for http://ftp.us.debian.org pleaseN |
| 15:35.21 | Krolik13 | on doing: make menuconfig , i'm getting the following error |
| 15:35.28 | babilen | ion_: Do you have another "apt-get" "aptitude" or "synaptics" process running? |
| 15:35.30 | Krolik13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.30 | Krolik13 | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of âcurrent_menuâ follows non-static declaration |
| 15:35.34 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
| 15:35.59 | ion_ | babilen: no I don't ... |
| 15:38.24 | ion_ | babilen: have a look if you find something wrong: http//paste.debian.net/104140/ |
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| 15:38.57 | abrotman | ion_: nothing is wrong .. |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | ion_: ps aux | grep "apt" .. return anything ? |
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| 15:40.50 | ion_ | abrotman:it says command not found... |
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| 15:40.59 | abrotman | which command not found? |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | i think you typed it worng |
| 15:41.05 | abrotman | wrong |
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| 15:41.46 | rooisto47 | hi everyone, I have qustion about gtk. Once you've a gtk2-engines-XXXX installed, where can you set it ?! (I mean make it in use) cause I don't find the new theme I just installed in the themes list ! (System -> Preferences -> Appearance) |
| 15:42.39 | ion_ | abrotman: perhaps I don't know .....anyway I typed the way you said... |
| 15:43.04 | babilen | ion_: Could you paste the exact commend and output, please? |
| 15:43.11 | babilen | *command |
| 15:44.23 | ion_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/104141/ |
| 15:44.39 | babilen | ion_: It is "ps" not "pas" |
| 15:44.54 | Krolik13 | ion=john? |
| 15:44.55 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 15:44.56 | Krolik13 | :) |
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| 15:45.53 | ion_ | Krolik13:no why :) |
| 15:46.07 | Krolik13 | ion bostan? |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | knock it off |
| 15:47.22 | ion_ | Krolik13:are you asking serious or making jokes with me ? |
| 15:47.32 | abrotman | ion_: just ignore him |
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| 15:47.49 | babilen | ion_: Disregard that -- Do you get any interesting output with "ps" instead of "pas" ? |
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| 15:48.40 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 15:48.42 | ion_ | babilen: yeah I did I gonna show you... |
| 15:48.53 | babilen | Azrael_-: welcome |
| 15:49.57 | ion_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/104142/ |
| 15:50.18 | abrotman | looks like someone is installing amule |
| 15:51.30 | lord_rob | Hi ! Do anybody know what wine-(...)-unstable packages correspond to ? Versions numbers are higher than wine-(...) packages but I don't know exactly what it does mean compared to upstream |
| 15:51.37 | ion_ | Krolik13:First I have to apologise everyone because what I'm about to say ..and now I have a question for you too : WHY WE FIND STUPIT PEOPLE EVERYWHERE...? |
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| 15:53.14 | Azrael_- | i just try to start a xen-vm with the standard debian kernel (pv) but it always stops after mounting the filesystems and doesn#t do anything more. doesn't the standard kernel already have the normal domU xen support? |
| 15:53.29 | ion_ | Krolik13: If I could I would knock you out from here because you show now respect towards people. |
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| 15:54.25 | abrotman | ion_: ignore him .. stop |
| 15:54.40 | ion_ | abrotman: sorry man ... |
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| 15:55.18 | Krolik13 | ion poponel |
| 15:55.19 | ion_ | abrotman: I apologise... |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | Krolik13: last warning .. knock it off |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | ion_: are you trying to install amule? check another xterm or console |
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| 15:57.25 | ion_ | abrotman: not only amule but the most important thing is install lazarus a compile for pascal.... |
| 15:57.54 | abrotman | ion_: finish that process, then use apt-get update;aptitude update |
| 15:58.26 | Krolik13 | abrotman> what are your warning me to? |
| 15:58.35 | tdn | I am trying to upgrade a server from lenny -> squeeze, but it seems that apt-get upgrade hangs on: Installing new version of config file /etc/javascript-common/javascript-common.conf ... |
| 15:59.15 | abrotman | Krolik13: stay on-topic |
| 15:59.23 | abrotman | tdn: use a pastebin to show us |
| 15:59.32 | tdn | stracing the process shows that it is hanging on "read(25, " |
| 15:59.34 | babilen | tdn: When does this happen? (which step in the release notes) ? |
| 15:59.51 | tdn | babilen, upgrade lenny. |
| 16:00.20 | tdn | "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
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| 16:00.44 | babilen | tdn: ok, please paste relevant information to a pastebin ... |
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| 16:00.59 | tdn | abrotman, pastebin of output: http://paste.adora.dk/P1874.txt |
| 16:01.23 | tdn | pastebin of 'ps faux': http://paste.adora.dk/P1875.txt |
| 16:02.30 | tdn | strace -p 13880 gives me: waitpid(-1, |
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| 16:03.05 | tdn | Hey, I have an idea to what is happening. |
| 16:03.06 | ion_ | abrotman:http://paste.debian.net/104143 |
| 16:03.45 | tdn | It tries to restart apache2, right? But apache2 uses a SSL cert with password. So I guess to restart script is waiting for a key to be entered. How do I solve this? |
| 16:03.52 | babilen | tdn: "/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start" -- spawned from 13880 |
| 16:04.18 | babilen | tdn: That is most likely the cause. |
| 16:04.35 | tdn | babilen, yeah. And that is the one that is hanging on a 'read'. |
| 16:04.47 | tdn | babilen, so I guess that is waiting for a password. |
| 16:04.56 | babilen | yeah, so what to do? |
| 16:05.04 | tdn | babilen, but how do I solve this? There is nothing in the terminal that is asking me for a password. |
| 16:05.19 | babilen | ion_: You have another apt-get/aptitude running -- end that process and run "aptitude update" |
| 16:05.29 | tdn | babilen, I don't know? |
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| 16:06.27 | tdn | babilen, can I just kill the process? Or will that make the upgrade process fail? Shouldn't the upgrade process be able to handle a password protected SSL key for apache? I think it should at least show me the password prompt, so that I have a chance to enter the password. |
| 16:06.33 | ion_ | babilen: I don't that is the only terminal that I have open I gonna but the machine and try it again... |
| 16:06.47 | babilen | tdn: I am not sure right now and I never had to enter a password even for SSL enabled sites for apache to restart. You might want to disable the SSL site and run the command again. |
| 16:07.11 | ion_ | babilen: * reboot I mean. |
| 16:07.19 | babilen | ion_: If you can't find it â log out and back in or reboot your computer. (Not a very elegant way, but it'll work) |
| 16:08.05 | babilen | tdn: You can then perform the upgrade and enable the SSL enabled host configuration again. |
| 16:08.44 | tdn | babilen, ok, I will disable the SSL site. But how do I then stop the upgrade process gracefully? Just kill the "/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start" process? |
| 16:09.08 | ratdeptrai | Hi! I'm trying to install debian squeeze (amd64) using netboot from a USB drive with little success... each time the installer fails during base-system-install: "Failed getting Release signature file http://frp.us.debian.org/debian/distros/squeeze/Release.gpg." VT4/syslog/dmesg show no error messages and when I try to manually wget that file from busybox on the installing-system, it comes down fine. |
| 16:09.35 | ratdeptrai | s/frp/ftp/ ...retyping from looking at other screen... |
| 16:10.13 | ratdeptrai | Frustrating that the installer gives no error message other than "failed". |
| 16:10.20 | babilen | tdn: You could try that. See how it reacts to SIGHUP and SIGKILL it if necessary. There shouldn't be a big problem with just killing 24555 as well (apt-get) |
| 16:10.23 | tdn | babilen, is there any way to paste the key in to STDIN on the "/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start" process? |
| 16:10.35 | babilen | tdn: There might be, but I have no idea. Sorry. |
| 16:10.40 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
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| 16:11.28 | tdn | babilen, oh, you think it would be better to kill 24555 instead of the apache process? |
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| 16:13.12 | tdn | babilen, kill -HUP 13926 made the installer continue :D |
| 16:13.34 | ion_ | babilen:http://paste.debian.net/104144/ |
| 16:13.35 | babilen | tdn: great |
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| 16:15.21 | tdn | babilen, yeah. Thanks for helping. |
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| 16:16.15 | babilen | ion_: You have still the wrong URL -- make sure that you have "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" (contrib non-free) in your sources.list -- and let me have a look again. (Must have missed that earlier, sorry( |
| 16:16.26 | babilen | tdn: Still something that should be noted. |
| 16:16.42 | babilen | tdn: But great that -HUP was sufficient |
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| 16:18.37 | tdn | babilen, should I report it as a bug? |
| 16:19.00 | tdn | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: ... openssl-blacklist ... Is this package really safe to remove now? |
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| 16:19.14 | babilen | tdn: I would do that actually. Not sure how many people will run into this problem, but it disrupts the upgrade process. |
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| 16:19.22 | babilen | tdn: yes |
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| 16:19.45 | babilen | tdn: But I would just continue with the upgrade as outlined in the instructions and "tidy up" later on |
| 16:20.05 | ratdeptrai | Currently trying the "expert install" in the hopes that it will not hide as much information... much nicer! |
| 16:20.19 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
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| 16:20.53 | tdn | babilen, not exactly sure where to report this bug? Is it the apache2 maintainer that is responsible for this? Or lies the problem with apt-get? |
| 16:20.58 | tdn | Or some other place? |
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| 16:22.15 | babilen | tdn: I guess that this bug/problem is triggered by every single package that causes a restart of apache2. I am at loss right now how to solve it as well apart from noting in the release notes to disable SSL configurations like this. |
| 16:22.21 | ion_ | babilen:yeah that's was the problem ...never mind man happens ... |
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| 16:22.47 | babilen | tdn: One second please |
| 16:22.57 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
| 16:23.20 | ^DEMOSS^ | hmmm |
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| 16:24.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have 2 machines with debian, no cd-rom, I have phisical access to this machines and i have ISO with linux system |
| 16:24.40 | ^DEMOSS^ | can i mount it and starting setup new system ? |
| 16:24.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have \/boot = 100 mb |
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| 16:28.08 | ion_ | abrotman: which one you recommend? |
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| 16:28.16 | abrotman | ion_: for what? |
| 16:28.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | for me ) |
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| 16:28.47 | ion_ | abroman: p2p which do I have to use instead of amule ? |
| 16:29.00 | tdn | babilen, the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" just terminated. (cleanly, exit status 0) So, should I proceed with the upgrade procedure as described by dpkg? |
| 16:29.31 | abrotman | ion_: heck if i know .. i don't use that stuff |
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| 16:29.46 | babilen | tdn: yes, I would do that. You might, however, disable the SSL configuration for now in case another postinst script triggers an apache2 restart (and the same behaviour) again |
| 16:30.16 | ion_ | abrotman: it's okay ...thanks anyway... |
| 16:30.23 | tdn | babilen, aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i' gives me: http://paste.adora.dk/P1876.txt |
| 16:30.24 | babilen | tdn: I am not sure how to report this bug -- one could argue that it should just be noted in the release notes (and therefore filed against release-notes) |
| 16:30.42 | tdn | babilen, I have disabled the SSL site. I will keep it off until I have fully upgraded. |
| 16:30.53 | babilen | tdn: Marvellous -- make sure to reboot into the 2.6.32 kernel when you are asked to reboot the system |
| 16:31.30 | tdn | babilen, I have not monitor nor keyboard on the server (controlling via ssh), so how can I make verify that 2.6.32 is selected by default during boot? |
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| 16:32.34 | meltphace | hey, has anyone gotten fglrx to work on 2.6.37 |
| 16:32.40 | abrotman | you? |
| 16:32.45 | babilen | tdn: It should be the default kernel (because it has the highest version number) -- you could make sure by checking the generated grub configuration |
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| 16:33.07 | ratdeptrai | Base system install worked under "expert install" even though I used nearly the same settings... mysterious but I'll not argue with success, just happy that I can get on with my install! |
| 16:33.44 | tdn | babilen, the first entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst is: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-486 root=UUID=eabefdaa-faec-4562-bc16-8a2b93c7d536 ro quiet |
| 16:33.49 | tdn | babilen, and default is 0 |
| 16:33.57 | tdn | babilen, so it should be a-okay, right? |
| 16:34.01 | meltphace | i got fglrx to compile on 2.6.37 but w/o 3d accel apparently, no errors in xorg log, fglrxinfo says vendor string is brian paul |
| 16:34.07 | luminoso | in experimental there is only linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-686. trunk? this means everyday i get a new .37 kernel? or since that .37 is now stable this trunk is also the stable version? |
| 16:34.33 | luminoso | i mean: is this the .37 final or the .37-git4 version? |
| 16:34.34 | abrotman | luminoso: it means the ABI is not stable and your stuff could break at any moment |
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| 16:34.41 | abrotman | the kernel abi |
| 16:35.02 | babilen | tdn: I would think so |
| 16:36.24 | tdn | babilen, ok. I will try to reboot into the new kernel. Anything I should be aware of before rebooting? |
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| 16:36.34 | luminoso | abrotman, but the -trunk experimental is the kernel.org git4 or the final version? |
| 16:37.16 | babilen | tdn: I guess that you don't have physical access to the server in question? |
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| 16:38.21 | ion_ | http://paste.debian.net/104146/ |
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| 16:38.37 | tdn | babilen, no. :/ |
| 16:38.47 | abrotman | luminoso: that's a metapackage |
| 16:39.16 | abrotman | ion_: you oculd have just said that :) |
| 16:39.22 | babilen | tdn: Well, it *should* be OK. And I am not sure what else to do. |
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| 16:39.59 | abrotman | luminoso: look at the changelog for the package |
| 16:40.04 | luminoso | abrotman, thank you |
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| 16:40.16 | luminoso | oh.. it's in rc7 still |
| 16:40.32 | tdn | babilen, ok. Rebooting. brb. |
| 16:40.45 | ion_ | abrotman: yeah man but you learn day after day ... |
| 16:41.29 | babilen | ion_: It's OK. Just keep in mind that we are all volunteers and that this is a much nicer place if we respect each other. |
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| 16:46.27 | tdn | babilen, it came back up with the new kernel :D |
| 16:46.52 | nirazio | Is it possible to align desktop icons on right side? |
| 16:47.22 | Azrael_- | i just try to start a xen-vm with the standard debian kernel (pv) but it always stops after mounting the filesystems and doesn#t do anything more. doesn't the standard kernel already have the normal domU xen support? this is the output of the startup: http://pastebin.com/V9VH3gJp i tried 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem and 2.6.32-5-xen-686 |
| 16:47.26 | tdn | babilen, however, it cannot mount LUKS devices now... cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda data gives me: Command failed: Can not access device |
| 16:48.06 | tdn | Oh. The device name has changed to sdb. |
| 16:48.27 | babilen | tdn: Great. I just talked with some people on #debian-bugs and they would be interested in seeing a transcript/bug against upgrade-reports with the pastes and relevant bits from apache/ssl configuration |
| 16:48.47 | babilen | tdn: yes, they have. I would suggest to switch to UUIDs or LABELs eventually |
| 16:49.03 | tdn | babilen, when trying to luksOpen sdb, I get this error: http://paste.adora.dk/P1877.txt not sure if this is serious? |
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| 16:49.48 | honeypot | I added a repository to sources list but now it claims a GPG error |
| 16:50.00 | xand | nirazio: that would depend on the desktop environment you're using. |
| 16:50.02 | babilen | tdn: That file is no longer in Squeeze -- I would just continue with the upgrade as you still have a bunch of old packages around. |
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| 16:51.35 | tdn | babilen, ok. |
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| 16:51.50 | babilen | tdn: BTW, don't you run into this problem (with apache/ssl/passphrase) every time you upgrade an apache related package? |
| 16:52.05 | tdn | babilen, yes, I do. |
| 16:52.12 | babilen | tdn: But please, continue to upgrade and we can take it from there. |
| 16:52.20 | tdn | babilen, well, the upgrade process has only one step left: apt-get dist-upgrade , here we go :) |
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| 16:52.25 | tdn | babilen, yes. |
| 16:52.26 | babilen | yay! |
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| 16:56.42 | thepro4ever | how do i know what my desktop size is |
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| 16:57.06 | abrotman | you mean the screen resolution ? |
| 16:57.14 | thepro4ever | nvm i found it |
| 16:57.16 | thepro4ever | and yes |
| 16:57.19 | abrotman | 'xrandr' |
| 16:57.46 | thepro4ever | what is the next step down from 1440x900 |
| 16:57.56 | thepro4ever | as far as typical sizes go |
| 16:59.12 | babilen | thepro4ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution â 2s google |
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| 17:08.59 | wildc4rd | evening all! |
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| 17:10.08 | petekaz | why do some segfaults appear in dmesg and others do not? |
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| 17:11.11 | petekaz | for example, if I send a SEGV to an arbitrary program, I see no corresponding entry in dmesg, but in other cases, right now every time I run aptitude or apt-* I keep getting segfaults in my dmesg. |
| 17:11.26 | petekaz | I don't understand why the different behavior. |
| 17:12.06 | zinx | sending sigsegv to a program isn't a segmentation fault, it's just getting the signal |
| 17:12.51 | petekaz | zinx: makes sense. thx. |
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| 17:18.13 | i80 | hello. i can't subscribe to any debian mailing list because my email address starts with "mail@". it looks like bug 145433. what can i do? i really have to create a new mailbox? i don't know how to name it. i'm not a creative person :) |
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| 17:20.01 | ksk | dml@? ;) |
| 17:20.18 | ksk | or debian@ or something like this |
| 17:20.25 | ksk | no need to be creative :P |
| 17:20.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can modyfy grub, that he use mounted ISO ( /var/www/iso) to boot installation ? |
| 17:22.01 | i80 | ksk: ok, perhaps i should add debian@myrealname.net and forward it to mail@myrealname.net |
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| 17:27.15 | k4z | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian lenny non-free <- is this correct entry in sources.list ? |
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| 17:41.05 | superlinux | hi. how can I add a context-menu/right click menu command named "Play all multimedia in this folder" ? This menu item should show up if the targeted folder contains multimedia. |
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| 17:47.47 | lxsys | 'sup? is there a load average graphing thingy for debian? something that takes load average and graphs it to an image file that can be uploaded to my ftp for display on a website? |
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| 17:49.39 | lxsys | or am i going to have to get my C books out, and find a png library :P |
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| 17:51.35 | abrotman | lxsys: there are plenty of snmp web things |
| 17:52.38 | lxsys | snmp? |
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| 17:53.54 | charlvn | lxsys: simple network management protocol |
| 17:55.29 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can modyfy grub, that he use mounted ISO ( /var/www/iso) to boot installation ? |
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| 18:01.56 | waimondrio | Does there exist a bootloader that can do the following. (0) Can be installed on a USB flashdrive (1) operates as follows: first dynamically scans all attached drives and see whether they contain boot partitions, then present the options and allows you to choose one of them to boot from (2) is very easy to create (no additional tweaking needed). Creation lets say within 2 minutes. |
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| 18:02.28 | babilen | tdn: Hei, got disconnected during supper. How's it going? |
| 18:03.16 | lxsys | waimondrio, you could probably acheive that by scripting grub2. have a look at the super grub boot disk |
| 18:03.45 | waimondrio | lxsys: Ah... |
| 18:04.06 | waimondrio | lxsys: is it indeed easy? Scripting it sounds more than 2 minutes of work... |
| 18:05.40 | lxsys | waimondrio, im not sure. i've never scripted grub2 myself but i was aware that the super grub2 boot disk had a script to search for partitions automatically and boot from them. |
| 18:06.08 | waimondrio | lxsys: ah, that is what you mean, that that work already has been done in the super grub2 system |
| 18:06.18 | waimondrio | lxsys: I'll have a look at it... Thnx |
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| 18:10.16 | waimondrio | lxsys: sounds promising... "Detect any OS" is one of the menu options of the super grub boot disk... |
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| 18:11.08 | nirazio | How to disable laptop internal keyboard??? |
| 18:11.33 | lxsys | waimondrio: yeah. and *i think* its possible to install on a usb key too |
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| 18:12.48 | yebyen | anyone doing eucalyptus stuff? |
| 18:13.32 | babilen | yebyen: #eucalyptus probably |
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| 18:14.10 | yebyen | coolio |
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| 18:49.15 | oliva | hi there ... I need a program dat perform a Simple count where all the bytes are added in an 32 bit accumulator, starting by 0. Is there such a tool? |
| 18:49.26 | oliva | s/dat/that/ |
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| 18:51.05 | charlvn | oliva: just write a little python script or something |
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| 18:54.39 | oliva | charlvn: I'm more confortable with c |
| 18:55.00 | oliva | but how do I convert a byte in an intger? |
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| 18:56.25 | charlvn | oliva: just typecast it in the normal way |
| 18:56.44 | charlvn | oliva: int i = (int) b; |
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| 18:57.17 | niklaswe | have they remove com2com from the snmpd.conf (in squeeze ) ? |
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| 18:59.42 | oliva | charlvn: the integer should be positive |
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| 19:02.30 | nze | i'm thinking about moving to debian but a bit scared of being stuck with dated version and having to deal with software i prefer to build myself manually... |
| 19:02.30 | nze | does debian have something like the *-{git,hg,bzr,..} packages in arch linux? ie a "packages" that build from the latest vcs when you update them? |
| 19:03.05 | caraconan | Hi all. I have a Vmware ESXi virtual machine with support to USB devices working as expected. Once I unplug and the plug it again (usb device) it appears in the /var/log/messages, but not using fdsik -l. Any idea? I already asked in the #vmware channel |
| 19:03.22 | nze | or do i have to pull the latest versions and manually make a package of it every time? |
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| 19:05.34 | niklaswe | nze: if you want the lastest version of the package use unstable |
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| 19:05.47 | caraconan | It worked after replug the device again.... |
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| 19:06.08 | toad_ | what's my best option for getting /usr/lib32/libmpg123.so on lenny ? |
| 19:06.40 | jordanm | ,file libmpg123 |
| 19:06.42 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 19:06.50 | jordanm | ,file libmpg123 --release sid |
| 19:06.54 | toad_ | i need the 32-bit version |
| 19:06.54 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:06.57 | toad_ | that's the problem |
| 19:07.19 | toad_ | the testing version of ia32libs has it, but i suspect it has major dependancies, and there is no backport |
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| 19:07.42 | jordanm | what requires it? |
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| 19:08.02 | Azrael_- | toad_: why not install http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libmpg123-0 ? |
| 19:08.32 | toad_ | Azrael_-: because i need the 32-bit version? |
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| 19:08.43 | toad_ | or rather the 64-to-32 thunking library? |
| 19:08.54 | toad_ | if i pull it from the 32-bit package will it work? |
| 19:09.22 | jordanm | toad_: what requires the 32bit lib? |
| 19:09.26 | Azrael_- | is the lib only for 64bit? |
| 19:09.28 | jordanm | debian is not exactly mutl-arch |
| 19:09.31 | toad_ | wine |
| 19:09.35 | toad_ | crossover |
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| 19:09.44 | toad_ | debian has ia32libs - debian is vaguely multi-arch |
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| 19:10.39 | nze | niklaswe: i know there's unstable, but from a quick look at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ , i can't see source-packages. the software seems quite up to date though |
| 19:10.58 | jordanm | toad_: it says they support debian stable and you paid for it. seek support from them |
| 19:11.20 | jordanm | toad_: tell them that unlike their page says, it doesn't work with debian stable's ia32-libs |
| 19:11.33 | toad_ | their page says that? |
| 19:11.40 | jordanm | toad_: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/requirements/ |
| 19:11.42 | toad_ | has a look |
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| 19:11.54 | toad_ | yeah but it's the individual game - most games don't need the mp3 library |
| 19:12.06 | jordanm | "or 64 bit with 32 bit compatibility library installed". ia32-libs are the compatibility libraries |
| 19:12.29 | nze | niklaswe: but i like my distro to be able to handle management of self-brewed packages, and some integration with vcs would be desirable |
| 19:12.34 | toad_ | i just thought somebody might have an idea that doesn't involve me installing the testing distro :| |
| 19:12.40 | toad_ | or at least large chunks of it |
| 19:13.14 | jordanm | toad_: extract the 32bit .deb, drop the file in, see what happens |
| 19:13.28 | hermogenes | nze: you can get the source packages from the repositories listed on /etc/apt/sources by typing apt-get source <package_name> |
| 19:13.44 | jordanm | only deb-src repositories |
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| 19:14.22 | jordanm | nze: see git-buildpackage; svn-buildpacakge; etc |
| 19:14.25 | toad_ | jordanm: yeah i should have tried that in the first place ... the only libraries it depends on will themselves have versions in ia32libs, so i can be pretty confident it'll work ... |
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| 19:18.45 | toad_ | what do i use to unpack a deb now? i thought they were cpio archives? |
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| 19:19.22 | toad_ | dpkg --extract, doh |
| 19:19.22 | dpkg | toad_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:19.46 | jordanm | toad_: ar archives |
| 19:19.53 | toad_ | wonders if that is a trigger or a message from jordanm :) |
| 19:20.20 | jordanm | thats dpkgbot's way of saying "command not found" |
| 19:20.57 | toad_ | okay, so how do i test the library ... extract something 32-bit that uses it i guess ... |
| 19:21.29 | jordanm | toad_: what game are you trying to get to work? |
| 19:21.49 | toad_ | jordanm: starcraft 2 |
| 19:22.32 | toad_ | has nvidia drivers and more than adequate system spec so is optimistic |
| 19:22.32 | jordanm | toad_: awesome. add titan8990 (at) gmail |
| 19:23.26 | toad_ | hmmm? |
| 19:23.55 | jordanm | toad_: starcraft 2 friends list. goes by email these days |
| 19:23.56 | toad_ | ah you can arrange matches by email address? |
| 19:24.02 | jordanm | yeah |
| 19:24.02 | toad_ | ah cool |
| 19:24.13 | nze | jordanm: so you can use git-buildpackage to create a .deb from a git repo? but there's no way to create a package that actually builds from the repo? i'm not sure what the workflow would look like |
| 19:25.09 | toad_ | okay, the library definitely works, if i don't come back, that means the game works :) |
| 19:25.13 | toad_ | thanks jordanm will add you |
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| 19:26.22 | jordanm | nze: build from the repos? you can use apt-get source -b |
| 19:26.25 | nze | jordanm: is there some kind of repo for such vcs packages? |
| 19:26.39 | nze | jordanm: the vcs repo |
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| 19:27.23 | jordanm | nze: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html |
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| 19:29.33 | jordanm | nze: the actual repos used by the debian devs are on alioth, unable to provide exact link |
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| 19:30.39 | nze | jordanm: and then you basically maintain your local copy of the vcs repo and make a new package off it every now and then? |
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| 19:32.08 | Jemt | Hi. Where do apt-get store .deb files ? |
| 19:32.12 | jordanm | nze: yes. also, uscan can be used to pull sources from the upstream VCS's |
| 19:32.41 | dclarke | does anyone know how to kil the "visual keyboard" or "gok" helper ap for acesibility? It's pising me of and there sems to be no way to kil it |
| 19:32.46 | nze | jordanm: and i could then write a wrapper script myself to go into all the local copies, pull and create a new package, like every sunday evening? |
| 19:32.52 | jordanm | Jemt: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:33.00 | Jemt | Thank you, jordanm :) |
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| 19:33.23 | jordanm | nze: what are you trying to accomplish? track, say xfce's git work before they make the uploads? |
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| 19:34.32 | delby | how do i know which application/program a file belongs to? |
| 19:34.36 | nze | jordanm: pretty much, yes. as far as i get it, unstable picks a new source snapshot every now and then (eg when a new tagged release is made) and uploads packages |
| 19:34.44 | jordanm | delby: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 19:35.07 | delby | jordanm: thanks |
| 19:35.22 | jordanm | nze: no, uploads to unstable or not automated. they are done by the maintainer/uploader and reviewed by the ftpmasters |
| 19:35.31 | jordanm | s/or/are not/ |
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| 19:36.05 | jordanm | nze: but yeah, you could write a script to accomplish that goal |
| 19:36.42 | jordanm | I wouldn't recommend it unless you actually plan to help with debian development though. otherwise its a lot of headaches and work for extremely little gain |
| 19:36.44 | nze | jordanm: sry, with `unstable' i meant the package maintainers of unstable |
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| 19:44.58 | JayEye | OK, this must have been answered a zillion times, but all Ifind when i search is other people asking it... |
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| 19:45.34 | JayEye | How do I move a running debian system to boot off a USB stick, keeping the stuff on the stick read-only and just using tmpfs for logs and stuff |
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| 19:46.27 | jordanm | !persistant usb |
| 19:46.59 | JayEye | (I don't want all the log writing to kill the flash memory after a few thousand writes) |
| 19:47.02 | jordanm | JayEye: rsync the files over, install grub, edit /etc/fstab so everything but / and /var and /home is ro? |
| 19:47.18 | jordanm | mount tmpfs at /var/log |
| 19:48.07 | JayEye | that simple? |
| 19:48.18 | JayEye | I could have told me that :) |
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| 19:48.45 | babilen | JayEye: Change /etc/fstab with magnets if you want this to be a challenge |
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| 19:48.52 | JayEye | LOL@babilen |
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| 19:49.04 | JayEye | well, it's on flash, it would have to be with a FIB |
| 19:49.40 | jordanm | JayEye: debian-live may offer a "persistant" option like some other live distros, but I am not sure |
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| 19:51.03 | JayEye | ktnx. I guess I found what to do this afternoon :) |
| 19:51.35 | JayEye | good reason not to clean up my flat :) |
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| 19:54.17 | nze | babilen: butterfly... |
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| 19:55.15 | jordanm | nze: sucesfully flipped one bit! |
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| 19:58.42 | Jemt | Doesn't apt-get store a list of all packages available ? I suppose it can take up some space - how do I get rid of this database? I can always do 'apt-get update' again |
| 19:58.43 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:58.49 | lenswipe | does squeeze ship with kerberos by default? |
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| 20:00.30 | jordanm | Jemt: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 20:00.38 | Jemt | Thanks again, Jordan :) |
| 20:00.47 | jordanm | lenswipe: the kerberos package is available, yes |
| 20:01.00 | lenswipe | i have a squeeze vps and its asking me for my current kerberos password when i login |
| 20:01.09 | lenswipe | jordanm: i dont meanavailable, i mean installed |
| 20:01.09 | jordanm | lenswipe: on essential, required, and important packages are installed by default |
| 20:01.21 | jordanm | lenswipe: thats your hosting provider's configurations. consult them |
| 20:01.37 | lenswipe | jordanm: i thought so, he broke it, XD |
| 20:01.52 | lenswipe | rofls |
| 20:02.13 | lenswipe | jordanm: what the...? samba is installed out of the box too.... O_O |
| 20:02.19 | lenswipe | weird... |
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| 20:09.19 | masak | I'm on Debian 5.0. I need Mono >= 2.4, but apt pulls in Mono 1.9 for me. what should I do to get a newer Mono version? |
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| 20:10.56 | Azrael_- | masak: try backports |
| 20:11.08 | masak | gladly. how do I do that? |
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| 20:11.28 | Azrael_- | uhm :) i just know it's possible, never did it myself |
| 20:11.54 | Azrael_- | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 20:12.00 | masak | thank you. |
| 20:12.39 | lockon | masak, check this out, too: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:17.57 | masak | lockon: thanks. |
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| 20:37.37 | aways|bnc | Hi all |
| 20:37.46 | aways|bnc | excuse me I try to configure my surround |
| 20:37.49 | aways|bnc | with alsa |
| 20:38.08 | aways|bnc | But it's not work |
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| 20:38.40 | fbs | what doesnt work? |
| 20:38.53 | fbs | what kind of problems do you have?? |
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| 20:39.29 | aways|bnc | fbs, In alsaMixer |
| 20:39.35 | aways|bnc | I just have pcm |
| 20:39.42 | aways|bnc | and no other bar |
| 20:39.57 | aways|bnc | I have Sound blaster external |
| 20:39.58 | aways|bnc | usb |
| 20:39.58 | aways|bnc | :D |
| 20:40.02 | aways|bnc | 2.1 it's Ok |
| 20:40.13 | aways|bnc | In my ~/.asoundrc |
| 20:40.34 | aways|bnc | I have paste slave.pcm surround51 |
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| 20:41.49 | aways|bnc | http://pastie.org/1443495 |
| 20:41.57 | aways|bnc | fbs, ----^ |
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| 20:42.43 | fbs | i c i c |
| 20:42.55 | aways|bnc | ? |
| 20:43.29 | fbs | how about alsamixer? |
| 20:43.47 | fbs | is it on the right device? |
| 20:44.19 | fbs | are all the drivers ok |
| 20:44.19 | aways|bnc | In alsa mixer I just have one choice |
| 20:44.20 | fbs | ? |
| 20:44.21 | aways|bnc | it's pcm |
| 20:44.33 | fbs | no errors in dmesg etc? |
| 20:44.37 | aways|bnc | fbs, => for the driver i thinks |
| 20:44.43 | aways|bnc | fbs, nop |
| 20:45.17 | aways|bnc | http://pastie.org/1443504 and this |
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| 20:48.38 | Ghebbo_Hck | hi all |
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| 20:51.04 | ranix | -offtopic |
| 20:51.18 | ranix | ahem |
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| 20:55.31 | JordiGH | On a fresh squeeze install from yesterday, /etc/debian_version doesn't exist. Whose fault is this? |
| 20:55.36 | Idol_Mind | I'm wanting to move my linux install from a large rotational drive to a small SSD. Is this safe or am I better off installing fresh? |
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| 20:55.58 | fbs | aways|bnc: i was loooking, but i couldnt find a answer |
| 20:56.15 | Spreadsheet | If I download unstable right now, and then stable is released, will I have to upgrade all of my packages? |
| 20:56.23 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Yep. |
| 20:56.31 | Spreadsheet | err, "testing"? |
| 20:56.34 | JordiGH | There's a huge deluge of unblocked packages after release. |
| 20:56.37 | Spreadsheet | Sorry I'm new |
| 20:56.41 | JordiGH | Oh, testing no. |
| 20:56.54 | JordiGH | Testing will become stable and your packages will be mostly untouched for a long time to come after the release happens. |
| 20:56.56 | Spreadsheet | I mean the current release of squeeze |
| 20:57.05 | JordiGH | You'll still be doing lots of updates until squeeze releases, though. |
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| 20:58.16 | Spreadsheet | when there's a widely used package that's in say, Ruby, and it is usually installed using that language's packager, are those sometimes still in the Debian repos? if so , why? |
| 20:58.31 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Oh, god, Ruby is a can of worms. Please pick another example. |
| 20:58.44 | Spreadsheet | Python, it has easy_install, for example |
| 20:58.48 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Ruby hates all distribution systems except its own (unlike Perl, Python, or PHP). |
| 20:58.56 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Python is sane, use apt. |
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| 20:59.11 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: In general, use apt for everything, don't learn a distribution system for each one. |
| 20:59.43 | Spreadsheet | Distribution systems usually have more up to date releases |
| 20:59.49 | wissem | does skype support video call on deian lenny? |
| 21:00.06 | Spreadsheet | Will squeeze have "subpixel hinting" for fonts? |
| 21:00.09 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: If you want "up to date", then Debian stable is not for you. |
| 21:00.15 | Spreadsheet | The kind used by Ubuntu and Fedora |
| 21:00.35 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Debian stable doesn't believe that newest == best. |
| 21:00.41 | Spreadsheet | I just don't want to have to upgrade twice a year |
| 21:01.00 | JordiGH | Good, upgrade every two years, that's the rough release schedule that Debian stable has had so far. |
| 21:01.10 | masak | twice a year doesn't sound too bad. :) |
| 21:01.33 | JordiGH | masak: It does to me, but hey. Whatever floats your boat. |
| 21:01.52 | masak | that's about how often a Windows reinstall is required :P |
| 21:02.17 | JordiGH | masak: You're saying this as a reason in favour of upgrading twice a year? |
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| 21:02.50 | masak | I'm saying that doing it voluntarily is a step up from doing it because it's a necessity. |
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| 21:06.35 | aways|bnc | fbs, No pb thanks :D |
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| 21:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno... every 2-3 years seems enough for me to have a lot of stuff break or need some adjustment |
| 21:08.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course sometimes a shame about software that isn't easily backported when you're on a desktop |
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| 21:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or where backporting means you're ending up with a big chunk of versions from testing regardless |
| 21:10.08 | JordiGH | Yeahyeahyeah CUT. |
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| 21:12.09 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: I suppose you could mostly use apt and only when you know you absolutely need a newer version than what's packaged in Debian and you don't want to package it yourself, you can go and use whatever external packaging tool you want to use. But don't think you need to use external packaging tools for everything instead of preferring Debian versions. This way lies madness and Gentoo. |
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| 21:13.08 | JordiGH | Spreadsheet: Unless you're using Ruby, which hates all packaging tools except its own. |
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| 21:13.53 | gnarface | howdy people |
| 21:14.45 | gnarface | i'm trying to compile wine 32-bit with OpenAL support on amd64 but i can't seem to find the 32-bit openal dev files. which package would they be in? |
| 21:15.25 | gnarface | i have ia32-libs-dev, ia32-libs-gtk and ia32-libs installed |
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| 21:18.26 | JordiGH | openal? |
| 21:18.28 | JordiGH | opengl? |
| 21:18.33 | gnarface | openal |
| 21:18.47 | JordiGH | doesn't know what that is, shuts up. |
| 21:18.49 | gnarface | the 32-bit opengl libraries are installed just fine |
| 21:18.55 | gnarface | its for audio |
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| 21:19.29 | gnarface | it seems to be some sort of alternative to alsa or oss |
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| 21:22.53 | Gm4n | I just ran into a bug that's on bugs.debian.org, but (as far as I can tell) it says it's "Fixed in version" that I have. Am I misreading the page? |
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| 21:27.26 | surf | hi guys if I set color depth to 32 in the xorg.conf X does not load. How can I do it? Running deb squeeze on thinkpad t400 |
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| 21:28.43 | babilen | surf: radeon or fglrx? have you tried without a xorg.conf? |
| 21:28.47 | Mr_Queue | I have an external hdd that I'm having trouble with at home. The disk only goes between two squeeze machines and at home I get a 'can mount ... helper program' problem. Which is very odd. I was able to use the drive just a few day ago. |
| 21:29.24 | Mr_Queue | When I bring the disk back to the other machine it seems to be fine. |
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| 21:29.34 | Bushmills | surf: set it to 24. 32 isn't more colours, it is only for some video hardware which handles 32 bit access more efficiently then access of 3 byte lengths |
| 21:29.43 | Mr_Queue | I ran fsck.ext3 on the drive and all looks well. |
| 21:29.44 | Bushmills | than .. |
| 21:30.13 | JordiGH | Wow. I segfaulted Python. |
| 21:30.15 | surf | babilen, it's an integrated Intel 4500 mhd. It's just that I dunno how to check which is the color depth running without xorg. Is it said in the logs? |
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| 21:31.04 | babilen | surf: Yes it is, so does it work without a xorg.conf? Make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed |
| 21:31.30 | babilen | surf: And contemplate on Bushmills' remark |
| 21:31.46 | babilen | JordiGH: Please don't do this |
| 21:31.54 | surf | babilen, yes the fact is that I suppose it's 16 because of my headache :) |
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| 21:32.14 | JordiGH | babilen: What, segfault Python? |
| 21:32.14 | babilen | surf: Fire it up and paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:32.28 | babilen | JordiGH: Yes. How did you manage that? |
| 21:33.04 | JordiGH | babilen: I think it was that it expected to use GTK but X permissions were wrong over ssh, so no X, so possibly no pointer somewhere so possibly UB. |
| 21:33.15 | JordiGH | babilen: This is software-properties-gtk |
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| 21:38.48 | babilen | JordiGH: And you segfaulted Python? Not just a "normal" exception? (Traceback ...) |
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| 21:39.26 | ssvf | hi |
| 21:39.34 | ssvf | where can i see a list of supported motherboards for debian lenny |
| 21:39.50 | ssvf | i have an intel desktop board D945gcpe |
| 21:40.24 | ssvf | as i understand from some of the forums and stuff, the board has to work with the kernel in question |
| 21:40.33 | babilen | ssvf: Not exactly what you are looking for, but still helpful: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 21:40.37 | JordiGH | babilen: Yes, segfault. |
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| 21:40.51 | ssvf | babilen: i was there awhile ago |
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| 21:41.11 | ssvf | my board is listed |
| 21:41.15 | JordiGH | Try running software-properties-gtk from a tty. Seems reproducible. |
| 21:41.16 | jhutchins | ssvf: There are thousands of different motherboards out there. The only thing you can find is a possible posting from someone who has one and has run linux on it. |
| 21:41.17 | ssvf | im not sure if its supported by debian lenny |
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| 21:41.37 | jhutchins | ssvf: Debian doesn't explicitly support hardware. |
| 21:42.02 | jhutchins | ssvf: Possible issues would be with the various chipsets on the board - Memory controller, I/O controller. |
| 21:42.11 | jhutchins | ssvf: How old is it? |
| 21:42.27 | ssvf | the board? 2 yrs |
| 21:42.39 | ssvf | i made the box from apevia xpqpack 32 |
| 21:42.40 | jhutchins | Should be well supported in Linux then. |
| 21:42.42 | ssvf | 2 |
| 21:43.06 | jhutchins | You can always try a live CD. |
| 21:43.08 | jhutchins | !live |
| 21:43.09 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta1/ |
| 21:43.17 | ssvf | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Intel/D945GCPE |
| 21:43.19 | ssvf | ah |
| 21:43.21 | ssvf | its supported |
| 21:43.22 | gnarface | live cd is a great option |
| 21:43.27 | ssvf | does it all look good there? |
| 21:43.32 | ssvf | im kinda new to linux |
| 21:43.34 | surf | babilen, ok if I set it to 32 from "default" in xorg.conf X does not load. Then if I put defaultdepth to 24 and in the subsection to 32 in the log is 24. If I remove the xorg.conf it's 24 |
| 21:44.01 | babilen | surf: Stick with 24 and be happy then. |
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| 21:44.01 | jhutchins | ssvf: Linux is more of a community effort than an organized business. |
| 21:44.13 | ssvf | jhutchins: does the list ok for my board to run lenny? |
| 21:44.19 | ssvf | look ok* |
| 21:44.33 | surf | babilen, so I need to think what's causing my headache :) |
| 21:44.40 | jhutchins | ssvf: No idea, but if it's two years old the chipsets should be supported by now. |
| 21:44.46 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:44.55 | jhutchins | ssvf: You can always google the board model + linux |
| 21:44.58 | babilen | ssvf: It looks as if that board is well supported. I take it that you haven't yet installed Debian and are trying to decide which motherboard to buy? |
| 21:45.07 | gnarface | ssvf: just try out the livecd... |
| 21:45.14 | ssvf | babilen: no i have a machine and im just trying to install debian |
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| 21:45.32 | jhutchins | ssvf: With Linux, YOU are the one in control, YOU are the one who can tell US if it works. |
| 21:45.36 | ssvf | i have the cd image burned to a cd and all, just making sure before i get rid of fedora i dont want hardware issues on debian |
| 21:45.41 | babilen | ssvf: Do you actually run into problems? |
| 21:45.50 | ssvf | babilen: on f9 nothing whatsoever |
| 21:45.54 | babilen | ssvf: So it is working with Fedora? |
| 21:45.59 | ssvf | perfectly |
| 21:46.03 | ssvf | fedora 9 an old version |
| 21:46.04 | jhutchins | ssvf: `Fedora and Debian both use the same kernel (with different modifications and versions). |
| 21:46.21 | gnarface | ssvf: which kernel version is in your fedora install currently? (type uname -a) |
| 21:46.28 | ssvf | hold on |
| 21:47.52 | babilen | ssvf: Which kernel version do you run now? (uname -a) If it is higher than 2.6.26 (e.g. 2.6.32) I would actually suggest to install Squeeze -- Follow http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual and download the images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:47.54 | ssvf | 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 |
| 21:48.19 | gnarface | ssvf: lenny has a newer kernel than that. you should be fine |
| 21:48.30 | gnarface | ssvf: always make a backup just to be sure |
| 21:48.37 | ssvf | sweet |
| 21:48.44 | ssvf | na i got nothing on that machine thats important |
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| 21:48.52 | ssvf | btw i downloaded the i386 netinstall |
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| 21:48.57 | ssvf | that is the one needed right? |
| 21:49.21 | babilen | ssvf: Good choice if you have a working network connection (wired) during the installation |
| 21:49.22 | gnarface | most likely |
| 21:49.27 | ssvf | sweet |
| 21:49.49 | ssvf | i'll be back to bug you guys on the partitioning later |
| 21:49.50 | ssvf | :d |
| 21:49.58 | ssvf | i studied the installation guide but still |
| 21:50.01 | ssvf | one thing though |
| 21:50.06 | babilen | hmm? |
| 21:50.12 | ssvf | can i make a choice during installation to run xfs as my primary fs? |
| 21:50.18 | ssvf | or by default its ext3? |
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| 21:50.26 | gnarface | you get to pick |
| 21:50.35 | ssvf | what do you suggest |
| 21:50.37 | gnarface | ext3 is the default though |
| 21:50.38 | babilen | Default is ext3, but you can choose. Why do you want xfs? |
| 21:50.43 | ssvf | fro what i've read, xfs is good on anything |
| 21:51.02 | un214 | I stayed with ext2 for years but I currently recommend ext3 |
| 21:51.04 | ssvf | because i've read benchmarks and stuff saying xfs is good on small files and very good on big files |
| 21:51.13 | ssvf | and its good in journalling |
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| 21:51.24 | ssvf | not that i means anything to me but i just want to keep my system on top of things |
| 21:51.25 | babilen | ssvf: I would recommend ext3 |
| 21:51.28 | ssvf | thats all |
| 21:51.30 | un214 | ext3's fsck is much more proven |
| 21:51.31 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:51.36 | ssvf | so say i keep ext3 |
| 21:51.38 | gnarface | xfs is very good for large files and volumes. its pretty fast... personally i prefer reiserfs but ext3 is the linux darling, so pretty much everyone is going to recommend that if you don't know for sure |
| 21:51.40 | ssvf | can i switch to xfs later? |
| 21:51.52 | gnarface | not easily, but yes |
| 21:51.55 | un214 | if you have scratch space eqv. to all your files |
| 21:51.58 | ssvf | gnarface: yeah thats what i read too, reiserfs is very good on small files |
| 21:52.06 | ssvf | but reiser has little or no support, so.. |
| 21:52.11 | ssvf | .gn ok |
| 21:52.15 | ssvf | gnarface: ok |
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| 21:52.36 | ssvf | so if i have to swtch to xfs do i need to do a whole install or just i can do it within the debian system? |
| 21:52.49 | Idol_Mind | I'm wanting to move my linux install from a large rotational drive to a small SSD. Is this safe to shrink partitions or am I better off installing fresh? |
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| 21:53.22 | gnarface | ssvf: you don't have to reinstall, but you would have to manually back up each partition before reformatting it as xfs |
| 21:53.22 | ssvf | ok another thing when it comes to space, debian recommends 2gb or so for var? i forgot, it was in the installation guide |
| 21:53.37 | ssvf | the whole system has only 2GB |
| 21:53.38 | un214 | personally I'd recommend jffs2 for small SSD |
| 21:53.42 | vlt | Idol_Mind: You can shrink partitions AFTER shrinking the file systems on them |
| 21:54.04 | ssvf | is that enough to keep it running smooth? ( i dont game or anything) |
| 21:54.07 | un214 | acutally I'd recommend transferring with gnutar in pipeline mode |
| 21:54.08 | gnarface | ssvf: for a system that small that is only for desktop use (no public file serving) i would just put everything in one partition, under / |
| 21:54.12 | babilen | ssvf: I would rather recommend: Use ext3 now, ext4 soon and btrfs once its ready. zfs would be a good choice if you would install one of the BSDs ;) |
| 21:54.28 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:54.33 | ssvf | so all in one partition |
| 21:54.42 | ssvf | no need for a swap too? |
| 21:54.49 | ssvf | but debian recommends using a swap if i recall |
| 21:54.54 | babilen | yes |
| 21:55.00 | gnarface | swap IS optional but recommended |
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| 21:55.06 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:55.13 | ssvf | so swap and everything else in one partition? |
| 21:55.19 | gnarface | yep |
| 21:55.23 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:55.23 | gnarface | how much ram does it have? |
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| 21:55.31 | ssvf | 2GB |
| 21:55.37 | gnarface | hmm |
| 21:55.45 | ssvf | why |
| 21:55.49 | gnarface | just curious |
| 21:55.53 | ssvf | is that low |
| 21:55.59 | gnarface | no, normally i'd say match your swap to your ram size |
| 21:56.02 | un214 | yeah |
| 21:56.05 | un214 | that's low for system |
| 21:56.08 | gnarface | but if you only have 2GB of harddrive space... |
| 21:56.14 | ssvf | un214: not by the installatio guide |
| 21:56.19 | gnarface | un214: don't troll him |
| 21:56.40 | un214 | my installed system has 5gb used |
| 21:56.48 | ssvf | gnarface: what do you mean meatch it? |
| 21:56.52 | ssvf | how do i do that |
| 21:57.31 | ssvf | so i need to keep swap at 2gb too? |
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| 21:57.37 | gnarface | ssvf: like, 2GB ram would call for 2GB of swap.... but since you said you only have 2GB of harddrive space total, maybe you should try it without swap entirely for now. you can always add swap later as a file (its not required for it to be on a partition) |
| 21:57.41 | un214 | huh what |
| 21:57.43 | lft | kuku |
| 21:57.55 | un214 | I used to run w/o swap on a 512mb ram machine and had no problems |
| 21:58.09 | ssvf | ok gnarface |
| 21:58.10 | un214 | (slooow disk) |
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| 21:58.32 | ssvf | ok noted |
| 21:58.42 | ssvf | btw in the netinstall does it come with the latest kernel? |
| 21:58.48 | ssvf | and has gcc? |
| 21:58.56 | un214 | these days I have swap but only so I can hibernate and use /tmp as tmpfs |
| 21:58.57 | ssvf | or do i have to update later using aptget? |
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| 21:59.37 | gnarface | ssvf: i think you will want to update after install. |
| 21:59.43 | ssvf | ok |
| 21:59.52 | ssvf | so what comes with the netinstall? |
| 22:00.00 | ssvf | will it autodetect my network settings? |
| 22:00.12 | ssvf | for f9 alli had to do was plug in the cable and it connected |
| 22:00.28 | gnarface | the netinstall uses your network connection |
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| 22:00.48 | ssvf | gnarface: i dont know what you mean |
| 22:00.51 | gnarface | i'm not sure whether it pulls latest versions, i think there may be security fixes and such that you need to get after the install, but it should be fine for you |
| 22:01.03 | ssvf | ah after install you mean |
| 22:01.20 | ssvf | but once its installed, can i connect to the net without any hassles? |
| 22:01.30 | ssvf | i dont want ot go about manually confg mynetwork |
| 22:01.35 | ssvf | f9 picked it up right away |
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| 22:02.46 | thewanderer1 | can I run KVM and VirtualBox in parallel on one computer? |
| 22:02.50 | ssvf | will debian(netinstall) do that? |
| 22:03.00 | thewanderer1 | (without nesting hypervisors) |
| 22:03.13 | gnarface | ssvf: the netinstall should carry the network config to your install. it should have a dhcp option |
| 22:03.24 | ssvf | gnarface: right i read about that |
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| 22:03.31 | ssvf | if it has dhcp it should do it automaticallly |
| 22:03.36 | ssvf | i read that bit |
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| 22:03.49 | ssvf | imon verizon and DSL cable |
| 22:04.01 | ssvf | which means DHCP is there right? |
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| 22:05.23 | gnarface | ssvf: presumably if your fedora install auto-detected, yes |
| 22:05.38 | mknob | Debian Squeeze with gnome-core to avoid all the extra stuff I don't need with gnome. I've installed Synaptic and when I try to start it from the menu I get an error message saying "Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory)". I figured out that it's due to the package menu missing, it's suggested by synaptic, shouldn't it be depend considering it won't start... |
| 22:05.39 | mknob | ...without it? (unless you do "gksu synaptic" in terminal) |
| 22:05.40 | ssvf | yep f9 autodetected it |
| 22:05.53 | ssvf | alli had to do with plug in and bam |
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| 22:06.10 | ssvf | ok sweet |
| 22:06.14 | ssvf | thanks |
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| 22:06.24 | ssvf | prays nothing goes wrong |
| 22:06.27 | ssvf | late rguys |
| 22:06.28 | Zvrk | ssvf, before you do any install please read and know about your conf that is your problem |
| 22:06.29 | Gm4n | mknob: file a bug? |
| 22:06.39 | ssvf | Zvrk: what conf? |
| 22:06.45 | thewanderer1 | mknob: this is only for the software launcher, not for software itself... |
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| 22:07.23 | mknob | thewanderer1: hm, i don't understand. what do you mean? |
| 22:07.23 | ssvf | Zvrk: what confg are you talking about that i missed out on? |
| 22:07.34 | Zvrk | ssvf, about your system hardware internet connection etc |
| 22:07.40 | ssvf | i thought gnarface and the rest kinda cleared up my problems |
| 22:07.46 | thewanderer1 | mknob: synaptic is launched by a menu entry. it does not technically depend on su-to-root I suppose |
| 22:08.14 | ssvf | Zvrk: well thats what i came looking for in the beginning in caser you weren't here, regarding my hardware support |
| 22:08.18 | ssvf | and it's supported |
| 22:08.29 | thewanderer1 | mknob: but su-to-root is actually provided in 'menu' package |
| 22:08.37 | ssvf | see if you're going to help me, try to stay in focus with the conversation or else it only confuses us noobs more |
| 22:08.46 | mknob | thewanderer1: yeah but synaptic doesn't depend on menu |
| 22:08.49 | ssvf | howeever thanks for the input |
| 22:08.51 | thewanderer1 | mknob: you could insist on adding menu package to Recommends |
| 22:09.07 | ssvf | gnarface thanks babilen too |
| 22:09.10 | ssvf | later all |
| 22:09.11 | thewanderer1 | mknob: it doesn't Depend on menu because menu is not strictiy required for operation - it can be launched in different ways and it works |
| 22:09.24 | thewanderer1 | but it would make a nice Recommends, indeed |
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| 22:09.34 | mknob | thewanderer1: ah, I see. I'll file a bug report about it as soon as I'm back at my own computer then. |
| 22:10.29 | mknob | thewanderer1: thanks for the help! |
| 22:10.54 | thewanderer1 | have fun :P |
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| 22:15.56 | Gm4n | for some reason, DNS lookups seem to take a few seconds on my box. However, /etc/resolv.conf specifies two nameservers that work just great. Is there another place that can override resolv.conf? |
| 22:16.33 | thewanderer1 | Gm4n: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 22:17.05 | thewanderer1 | particularly the "hosts" line |
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| 22:18.27 | Gm4n | awesome, thanks! I have "files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4", which I think needs to be "files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4". Does that seem reasonable? |
| 22:19.04 | un214 | darn it, just killed kde taskbar |
| 22:19.07 | un214 | how do I respawn it |
| 22:19.22 | thewanderer1 | Gm4n: if you don't need mdns, just remove it |
| 22:19.29 | thewanderer1 | (multicast DNS - avahi-daemon) |
| 22:19.49 | thewanderer1 | in general "files dns" should suffice |
| 22:19.51 | Gm4n | uninstall the whole daemon, I'm guessing? |
| 22:20.01 | Gm4n | (I seem to have libnss-mdns installed) |
| 22:20.08 | thewanderer1 | no, just remove the entry from the file |
| 22:20.15 | thewanderer1 | hosts: files dns |
| 22:20.38 | thewanderer1 | you can remove libnss-mdns if you're not using it as well... |
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| 22:21.56 | Gm4n | do I have to restart networking or anything to make changes to nsswitch take effect? |
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| 22:54.12 | thewanderer1 | hey, I'm trying to run a virtual machine in VirtualBox and it says it can not cooperate with KVM kernel module loaded, but I'm pretty sure I've disabled VT in VBox |
| 22:54.24 | thewanderer1 | it's still trying to use it somehow |
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| 22:55.41 | jthill | hi, anyone have a failing ps2 mouse and willing to test a mouse driver patch? |
| 22:56.23 | deepa | as in, the mouse not working or the mouse literally failing? |
| 22:56.32 | thewanderer1 | sorry, I only have a failing mouse with a funny thick connector which looks like a car cigatette lighter |
| 22:56.32 | jthill | mouse behaving very erratically |
| 22:57.07 | jthill | messages on syslog about parity errors and desyncs |
| 22:58.25 | jthill | "funny thick connector which looks like a car cigarrette lighter"? |
| 22:58.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, in a '95 PC... |
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| 22:59.15 | un214 | ps2 is not hotswap |
| 22:59.23 | jthill | that might actually be the kind |
| 22:59.30 | jthill | right. |
| 22:59.35 | un214 | however funny thick connector sounds like the old keyboard connector |
| 22:59.40 | un214 | which isn't hotswap either |
| 22:59.44 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 23:00.10 | un214 | anyway if a ps2 mouse is having electrical problems, there may well be nothing a driver can do about it |
| 23:00.13 | thewanderer1 | that's why the mouse wasn't quite working |
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| 23:00.24 | jthill | works for mine |
| 23:01.21 | jthill | I think I found a common failure mode that another OS handles well |
| 23:01.31 | jthill | and fixed it. |
| 23:01.44 | un214 | well good for you |
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| 23:03.17 | jthill | the patch is in bug 607242, also on linux-input and linux-kerel, 'mitigate failing mouse symptoms', patch v2 |
| 23:03.50 | Pumba | so it will probably make it to the kernel in time :) |
| 23:05.04 | jthill | if it helps most mice that'd be good, not much point if it doesn't often help |
| 23:05.08 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. Any ideas how to get rid of the 1 second delay before having a command prompt after a successful login (both, console and via ssh have the delay). My older system didn't have this but freshly installed squeeze has |
| 23:06.41 | jthill | check /etc/profile, see what it's doing |
| 23:06.52 | jthill | I think I saw it tell me how many updates are pending |
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| 23:07.31 | thewanderer1 | hid3: if what jthill mentioned doesn't relieve the problem, analyze your PAM config - you might have unwanted modules there |
| 23:07.40 | hid3 | Uh, my old profile is almost empty while the new one has got many if blocks and etc... |
| 23:07.52 | hid3 | Will do that too, thanks! |
| 23:09.04 | cmyers | hey all - I am trying to chroot from a fairly new (squeeze) debian host OS into an older (sarge) guest. when I do, I get an assertion error from ld: "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!" According to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1284918, I need to disable "vdso", but /proc/sys/kernel/vdso doesn't exist. Anyone know what is going on? |
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| 23:10.29 | un214 | just spotted something I'd forgotten about |
| 23:10.33 | un214 | thanks guys |
| 23:10.38 | thewanderer1 | cmyers: perhaps Debian kernels or new kernels in general do not have VDSO set as a runtime tunable |
| 23:10.39 | un214 | (the /etc/profile thing) |
| 23:11.07 | cmyers | thewanderer1: so trying the kernel parameter "vdso=0" might still work in that case? one of the resources I saw suggested that but I haven't tried it |
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| 23:11.17 | thewanderer1 | do you have the colourful PS1 yet? export PS1="\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] " |
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| 23:11.35 | thewanderer1 | cmyers: disabling VDSO is a bad idea in general |
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| 23:11.58 | thewanderer1 | cmyers: it might be easier to just run that in a virtual machine |
| 23:12.06 | cmyers | thewanderer1: I see =/ oh, ya know, that isn't a bad idea |
| 23:12.28 | cmyers | what is the easiest option for booting up off an attached drive? virtualbox, or something else? |
| 23:12.37 | thewanderer1 | VirtualBox |
| 23:12.47 | cmyers | thewanderer1: thanks for the advice, I will try that. |
| 23:13.15 | thewanderer1 | if you have hardware virt in the CPU you can try KVM, it's simple if you know how to use it or find a good CLI example |
| 23:13.32 | cmyers | thewanderer1: I do have that, so maybe that would be a lighterweight solution |
| 23:13.55 | thewanderer1 | in KVM you do `kvm -hda /dev/whatever -m 512 -snapshot` and you should boot into the disk |
| 23:14.01 | thewanderer1 | -snapshot ensures nothing will be written |
| 23:14.24 | daemonkeeper | If you want to use virtualization just from time to time, you may be fine with Virtualbox. It is perhaps the most easy to use solution for Desktop virtualization |
| 23:14.28 | thewanderer1 | might save you some clicking in the plastic GUI |
| 23:14.44 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: yes, but not when you need to boot a disk :D |
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| 23:17.19 | thewanderer1 | cmyers: if you need to transfer some files from there, use a second disk (create it with dd if=zero of=random.img bs=1024k count=N where N is size in MB) like -hdb /home/lolrus/random.img, you can then create a filesystem on it in Sarge and just loop mount it on the host later (then run it without -snapshot option for "rw" mode) |
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| 23:17.56 | thewanderer1 | or just set up networking... I'm off, cya |
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| 23:21.36 | Krolik13 | wich is the simpliest in complication socks4 daemon |
| 23:21.36 | Krolik13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.07 | Azrael_- | Krolik13? |
| 23:22.45 | Krolik13 | Azrael_-? |
| 23:23.26 | Azrael_- | what do you want? |
| 23:24.09 | Krolik13 | sorry |
| 23:24.14 | Azrael_- | your request is a little bit inspecific |
| 23:25.25 | Krolik13 | Azrael_-> you know socks proxy daemons/services in linux? which one is most simple in compilation? |
| 23:25.37 | Krolik13 | the most simple implementation |
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| 23:26.25 | peloverde | Are these isohybrid CDs ready? http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs |
| 23:26.29 | Azrael_- | no idea, i was glad to get "dante" to work. quite simple to configure/set up but had some problems as not everything of it worked |
| 23:26.54 | Krolik13 | Azrael_-> thanks mate |
| 23:27.01 | Azrael_- | if you find sth better, please tell me |
| 23:27.18 | Azrael_- | e.g. server chaining didn't work |
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| 23:28.07 | Krolik13 | thanks |
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| 23:29.09 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 23:29.31 | zmitya | is there any aimed date fro squeeze release as stable ? |
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| 23:41.17 | Crisco | hey, I got debian working with my internet connection now, and I need help with video drivers. |
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| 23:41.53 | charlvn | Crisco: cool! which video drivers? |
| 23:41.59 | Crisco | I have a nvidia GeForce 6200 and whenever I run compiz --replace I get a whitelisted driver problen |
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| 23:42.14 | Crisco | I believe it's because my video card is using a nv driver |
| 23:42.32 | charlvn | nvidia? |
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| 23:42.54 | Crisco | so I need to figure out if http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-glx would work as a replacement and what repo to add to install it |
| 23:43.00 | Crisco | yeah |
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| 23:44.44 | charlvn | yeah i took the Nouveau drivers for a spin but didn't work out too well for me personally |
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| 23:45.10 | Crisco | would that driver I linked to work for me? |
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| 23:45.57 | charlvn | not sure, haven't really tried it yet |
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| 23:46.38 | Crisco | oh, well what repository would I have to add to install it? |
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| 23:50.15 | icebrain | hi! I'm trying to use VirtualBox on a Squeeze system running 2.6.32-5-686. I've installed the appropriate linux-headers and the virtualbox-ose-dkms package, which compiled the modules. Now, when they are loaded, I get "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 6406f297". Any tips? |
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| 23:50.50 | charlvn | Crisco: you need non-free - see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 23:51.10 | icebrain | by the way, I've also run memtest86+ for 12 hours and there were no error |
| 23:51.12 | icebrain | *erros |
| 23:51.19 | icebrain | damn. *errors |
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| 23:54.55 | Crisco | charlvn, so add "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ hamm contrib main non-free" to my repos? |
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| 23:55.55 | raz | anyone know a good CLI utility to aid with managing bind zone files? (auto-generate PTR zones and so on) |
| 23:56.08 | raz | i've switched from tinydns to bind and am a bit astonished by the apparent lack of sane tooling |
| 23:56.19 | hatoon | hi |
| 23:58.19 | charlvn | Crisco: well you just need "non-free" really, not sure of the others |
| 23:58.24 | charlvn | Crisco: you should have main already i think |
| 23:58.53 | hatoon | Can someone help me I have a problem with pendrive, I made 2 partitions but Windows only recognize one, how can he do to acknowledge even the two since both are in linux recognized. |
| 23:58.53 | Crisco | charlvn, I couldn't use the main ubuntu repo... |
| 23:59.01 | Crisco | it was missing something iirc |
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| 23:59.35 | charlvn | Crisco: mmm ok well just add non-free then you should be fine :) |
| 23:59.56 | charlvn | hatoon: what are the formats of the partitions? |