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| 00:01.05 | hatoon | both fat16 |
| 00:01.13 | hatoon | charlvn |
| 00:01.39 | charlvn | wow, interesting |
| 00:02.04 | charlvn | i heard there were issues with multiple partitions on usb flash drives but i'm not too clued up on that in particular, never tried myself |
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| 00:02.40 | Crisco | packages.debian.org is the main debian repo right? |
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| 00:03.15 | hatoon | ok |
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| 00:05.19 | icebrain | Crisco: I think it's ftp.debian.org, but you should use ftp.<country>.debian.org |
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| 00:06.10 | Crisco | alright thanks that was right |
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| 00:07.15 | charlvn | or mirror.debian.org - not sure which is best |
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| 00:07.52 | charlvn | aha: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
| 00:08.20 | charlvn | cdn.debian.net seems to be the best |
| 00:08.22 | happyhobo | Are there backport repositories to get gnome-shell in its latest iteration, et cetera? |
| 00:09.27 | Crisco | alright, I added deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org lenny non-free contrib main |
| 00:09.30 | Crisco | and now I get http://pastie.org/1443956 |
| 00:10.00 | icebrain | Crisco: have you ran update? |
| 00:10.06 | Crisco | yeah |
| 00:10.12 | Crisco | that's when I get those errors |
| 00:10.37 | happyhobo | I need backports for sid and scud. |
| 00:11.25 | happyhobo | NOW! |
| 00:11.51 | icebrain | Crisco: I'd try again, that mirror round-robins between 4 servers, maybe one of them has some problem |
| 00:12.03 | icebrain | Crisco: or you can try a secondary mirror from the mirrors list |
| 00:12.05 | simonrvn | happyhobo: not very happy are you |
| 00:12.06 | icebrain | !mirrors |
| 00:12.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 00:12.15 | happyhobo | Nope simonrvn |
| 00:12.26 | simonrvn | happyhobo: that sort of behaviour can get you ignored or worse |
| 00:13.10 | happyhobo | I was only playing. |
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| 00:14.12 | zeitsofa | hello - i'm playing with xen live migration. and there is a problem i can't understand: if i start a vm on xen1 i can live migrate this vm to xen2 and backwards. |
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| 00:14.24 | zeitsofa | but if i create the same vm on xen2 and try to migrate the vm to xen1 the vm breaks down with a kernel error. can anyone help me to fix this issue? |
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| 00:14.44 | happyhobo | serious simonrvn are there backport repositories where I can get the latest iteration of gnome-shell? |
| 00:14.56 | happyhobo | I'm not currently happy with my gnome-shell. |
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| 00:14.57 | Crisco | alright, it's working now, but then I got this strange update manager error... |
| 00:15.07 | Crisco | told me to run "sudo apt-get install -f" |
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| 00:15.40 | Crisco | lol nvm |
| 00:15.51 | Makuew | Is it healthy on the system if /dev is using all its partition space? I mean, can it cause any crashes etc? |
| 00:15.53 | Crisco | tried installing an ubuntu .deb and it didn't work out to well |
| 00:16.12 | simonrvn | don't install ubuntu debs on debian |
| 00:16.30 | Crisco | lol |
| 00:16.35 | simonrvn | like trying to install madriva rpms on rhel |
| 00:16.40 | simonrvn | man* |
| 00:16.58 | Crisco | ubuntu has so many wonderful programs though :P |
| 00:17.24 | icebrain | Crisco: most are in Debian too.. |
| 00:17.25 | Makuew | Name one that debian doesent have. |
| 00:17.36 | daemonkeeper | simonrvn: Indeed this works flawlessly for most packages. |
| 00:18.09 | daemonkeeper | Well, being roughly equal old. A Lucid package may not suite for Lenny. |
| 00:18.11 | Crisco | it's mostly because I used to like how easy it was to just sudo dpkg -i file.deb for all those ubuntu programs |
| 00:18.24 | Crisco | I've been using Ubuntu for like 3 years now |
| 00:18.35 | Crisco | been babied too long |
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| 00:18.49 | daemonkeeper | Crisco: Obviously you do something completely wrong anyway, if you use dpkg at all. |
| 00:18.59 | daemonkeeper | Better you forget it exists. |
| 00:19.01 | simonrvn | you have to be careful |
| 00:19.05 | icebrain | yeah, it should just be a matter of "aptitude install X" |
| 00:19.13 | Crisco | daemonkeeper, why? |
| 00:19.29 | dclarke | hello . how do I turn off the blasted asistive technology ? the litle blue person icon in the gnome menu . its driving me crazy . arebot does not kil it ! |
| 00:19.39 | daemonkeeper | There is no reason to use dpkg manually. Use apt-get/aptitude. Those will take care about dependencies and appropriate installation handling. |
| 00:19.53 | ripero | dpkg is a low level tool |
| 00:19.53 | dpkg | ripero: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 00:19.57 | daemonkeeper | !why apt-get |
| 00:20.04 | daemonkeeper | Or was it aptitude? |
| 00:20.10 | simonrvn | aptitude |
| 00:20.18 | daemonkeeper | !why aptitude |
| 00:20.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 00:20.25 | Crisco | well, I usually use apt-get |
| 00:20.29 | simonrvn | 'why ...' and 'why not aptitude' |
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| 00:20.43 | Crisco | but when I didn't have internet connection I used .debs to install software |
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| 00:20.54 | Crisco | or I just compiled from source |
| 00:20.56 | dclarke | bloody hell . I not type two leters the same in arow ! |
| 00:21.35 | icebrain | !tell Crisco about apt offline |
| 00:21.43 | daemonkeeper | Crisco: You can use apt offline as well |
| 00:21.49 | daemonkeeper | Oh, icebrain was a bit faster |
| 00:23.13 | dclarke | how do I nuke apackage out of my machine? out of orbit ? This GNOME Onscreen Keyboard is killing me |
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| 00:25.09 | dclarke | $ sudo dpkg --remove gok gnome-accessibility |
| 00:25.12 | dclarke | got it |
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| 00:25.28 | icebrain | dclarke: aptitude remove --purge gnome-accessibility |
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| 00:26.47 | simonrvn | aptitude purge or dpkg -P/--purge |
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| 00:27.26 | dclarke | i will probably ned to rebot |
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| 00:27.41 | simonrvn | nah |
| 00:27.43 | dclarke | I can not spel neEd because it has two "e" in arow |
| 00:27.57 | happyhobo | are there backport repositories to get the latest gnome? |
| 00:28.10 | dclarke | this feature is alandmine of bad things |
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| 00:28.34 | happyhobo | debian is so far behind even sid and scud. |
| 00:28.51 | dclarke | wtf is sid and scud ? |
| 00:28.53 | happyhobo | Are there backports I]m missing to get the latest gnome? |
| 00:28.58 | dclarke | I'm running squeze |
| 00:29.04 | icebrain | happyhobo: there aren't backports for Sid, afaik. There's experimental, though |
| 00:29.13 | happyhobo | dclarke: sid is unstable and scud is experimental. |
| 00:29.18 | dclarke | pardon me ... must reboot |
| 00:29.24 | happyhobo | icebrain: do you have them can I have them? |
| 00:29.35 | icebrain | happyhobo: I don't have those packages |
| 00:29.40 | dclarke | happyhobo: so what is "squeeze" ? |
| 00:29.42 | happyhobo | scud the dog broke 10 times more toys than sid did even |
| 00:29.53 | happyhobo | squeeze is testing soon to be stable. |
| 00:29.58 | daemonkeeper | happyhobo: Well, if anything a backport is a package suited in testing/sid packaged to fit for stable (Lenny). If you are neither convinced for the package there, you won't he happy with a backport at all. |
| 00:30.09 | icebrain | dclarke: "squeeze" and "sid" are versions of Debian. There's also characters from Toy Story |
| 00:30.13 | icebrain | *they're |
| 00:30.19 | dclarke | yes .. I knew that |
| 00:30.25 | yebyen | wow i never heard of scud |
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| 00:30.35 | dclarke | however .. to me squeeze seems quite stable |
| 00:30.44 | happyhobo | squeeze is too stable |
| 00:30.47 | dclarke | ok .. must rebot |
| 00:30.47 | ripero | squeeze is at the end of the freeze process |
| 00:30.57 | ripero | it should become stable soon |
| 00:31.11 | catsup | happyhobo: being too stable is what debian is all about |
| 00:31.13 | ripero | as soone as some twenty-something RC bugs are squashed |
| 00:31.15 | happyhobo | there are records of the packages of squeeze being used to direct the mayflower. |
| 00:31.26 | yebyen | is anyone using this scud? |
| 00:31.31 | yebyen | do they put it on the regular mirrors |
| 00:31.34 | catsup | i use a kernel from experimental |
| 00:31.34 | happyhobo | I am yebyen] |
| 00:31.43 | icebrain | yebyen: according to happyhobo, scud is experimental |
| 00:31.45 | yebyen | ooh they have more kernels :) |
| 00:32.03 | ripero | to my knowledge, scud is not a version of debian |
| 00:32.13 | catsup | i never heard of scud |
| 00:32.16 | happyhobo | I was told that years ago. |
| 00:32.21 | daemonkeeper | No, scud are SRBM by Hussein :p |
| 00:32.32 | catsup | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg188000.html |
| 00:32.45 | kingsley | Is it just me, or has anyone else just started here getting "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" after doing "aptitude install package". |
| 00:32.46 | happyhobo | I can't remember who taught me that but Scud is Sid's dog and the only who brakes more toys than Sid is Scud. |
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| 00:32.58 | catsup | there's a discussion proposing codenaming experimental 'scud' |
| 00:33.00 | happyhobo | Scud breaks 10 times more toys than Sid did? |
| 00:33.07 | catsup | afaik, though, this was never done |
| 00:33.23 | yebyen | well, the thought still counts |
| 00:33.29 | yebyen | so his name is experimental the dog |
| 00:33.37 | yebyen | and he breaks more toys than sid |
| 00:33.41 | happyhobo | Yes. |
| 00:33.45 | kingsley | "aptitude install" used to work fine, and at least one of the packages is from http.us.debian.org unstable/main |
| 00:34.05 | happyhobo | I like playing with experimental but it's apparently under freeze too since squeeze is frozen. |
| 00:34.06 | catsup | it's a good name |
| 00:34.08 | catsup | i like it |
| 00:34.33 | ludens | where can i check for error logs when my WM does not run properly? |
| 00:34.39 | catsup | the only problem with it is that nobody knows what it means |
| 00:34.51 | kingsley | s/just started here/here just started/ |
| 00:34.52 | ludens | im trying to get scrotwm to work on squeeze |
| 00:35.01 | ripero | there's a way to help getting new packages into sid and experimental: squash squeeze RC bugs! |
| 00:35.15 | yebyen | ludens: is that more scrot, or more twm? |
| 00:35.26 | catsup | ludens: your best bet is to launch X without a wm, just an xterm, and then start your wm from within the xterm so you can see its output |
| 00:35.26 | ludens | :) |
| 00:35.33 | icebrain | ludens: it depends on the WM, probably. Try ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:35.34 | yebyen | i love linux software names |
| 00:35.46 | catsup | ludens: do that like startx -- |
| 00:35.49 | catsup | ooops |
| 00:35.49 | ludens | catsup: great advice, thx! |
| 00:35.53 | catsup | ludens: do that like startx $(which xterm) |
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| 00:36.47 | ludens | where am i when i run startx? |
| 00:36.51 | simonrvn | dvs: hi |
| 00:37.04 | dvs | hi |
| 00:37.07 | dvs | wazzup |
| 00:37.21 | simonrvn | not much, hanging |
| 00:37.26 | ludens | thanks icebrain |
| 00:37.30 | dvs | same here |
| 00:37.37 | icebrain | ludens: was it there? |
| 00:37.42 | ripero | kingsley: did you aptitude update before installing / upgrading the packages? |
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| 00:38.48 | dclarke | ookay ... this has hit near emergency situation. I removed gok and gnome-asistive technology packages and I stil can not type quicvkly anymore and things like cd .. take seconds to do . because I can not type two chars in a row quickly .. how to kill this ? do I ned to format and reinstal the machine ? |
| 00:39.02 | catsup | ludens: logged in on a virtual console |
| 00:39.05 | ludens | icebrain: cant check until ater |
| 00:39.08 | happyhobo | brb |
| 00:39.13 | icebrain | ludens: oh, ok |
| 00:40.18 | ludens | great thanks catsup icebrain i was totally lost |
| 00:40.25 | dclarke | this is a test ttttttttttttteeeeeeee ........ |
| 00:40.31 | dclarke | okay ...... fxed it ! |
| 00:40.37 | kingsley | ripero: A nightly cron job is supposed to update, but now that you mention it, cron sent me an email with errors. Maybe I should try to run it manually. |
| 00:40.44 | dclarke | never ever ever turn on the assistive technology |
| 00:40.46 | dclarke | ever |
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| 00:42.54 | kingsley | ripero: I'm happy to report that running "apt-get update" manually seems to have solved my problem. Thank you. |
| 00:43.13 | ripero | kingsley: you're welcome :) |
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| 00:50.24 | honeypot | how to run a command that doesn't exit on ssh logout please |
| 00:51.12 | catsup | ssh host; command & disown; logout |
| 00:51.46 | catsup | that first semicolon is, uh, figurative |
| 00:51.57 | honeypot | & disown |
| 00:52.03 | honeypot | what is it plz |
| 00:52.08 | icebrain | screen might be useful too if you want to be able to see its output afterwords |
| 00:52.08 | catsup | type 'help disown' |
| 00:52.40 | icebrain | well, not output, you can just pipe it to a file. But if it's interactive |
| 00:52.43 | ripero | I'd use nohup |
| 00:52.49 | daemonkeeper | Or your nohup |
| 00:53.02 | daemonkeeper | *use |
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| 00:53.43 | daemonkeeper | Once again too late. I should go to sleep. |
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| 00:55.40 | c00kiemon5ter | hi people, I was wondering if there's a wiki on how to use sha512 or sha256 hashes for /etc/shadow |
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| 00:58.53 | stew | c00kiemon5ter: what does "grep pam_unix /etc/pam.d/common-password" return? |
| 00:59.19 | c00kiemon5ter | I just changed it to |
| 00:59.25 | c00kiemon5ter | password required pam_unix.so use_authtok nullok sha512 |
| 00:59.30 | c00kiemon5ter | enable cracklib too |
| 00:59.34 | c00kiemon5ter | enabled* |
| 00:59.46 | stew | c00kiemon5ter: there you go... |
| 00:59.55 | c00kiemon5ter | it seems that's enough, as changing a user's passwd got $6$ on shadow |
| 01:00.20 | c00kiemon5ter | :) other distros need more configuration, like Arch needs to edit /etc/default/passwd |
| 01:00.30 | c00kiemon5ter | all good, thanks |
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| 01:01.00 | honeypot | ripero: nohup cmd right? |
| 01:01.15 | daemonkeeper | yes |
| 01:01.50 | honeypot | I have a problem in running vlc with nohup |
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| 01:02.11 | daemonkeeper | That may not work for graphical programs |
| 01:02.19 | daemonkeeper | Consider VNC for that purpose. |
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| 01:05.08 | honeypot | daemon keeper: it was a problem with running VLC as root, thank you! |
| 01:05.16 | honeypot | I'm using a vlc with no GUI |
| 01:05.23 | honeypot | cvlc or vlc-nox |
| 01:05.47 | daemonkeeper | That's fine then, as you found out yourself. |
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| 01:06.26 | honeypot | yah, thank you but tell me, does VNC work on mac??? |
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| 01:08.20 | redDEADresolve | anyone have experience installing debian on a macbook air? |
| 01:08.54 | deepa | honeypot: do you wonder if VNC works on a mac running Debian? |
| 01:09.45 | honeypot | deepa: I was wondering if I can open VNC from macos |
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| 01:09.56 | Azrael_- | redDEADresolve: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=macbook+air+debiani |
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| 01:10.30 | redDEADresolve | Azrael_-, yeah i have the debian page but i had questions |
| 01:10.41 | Azrael_- | ah, ok |
| 01:12.28 | stew | redDEADresolve: if you have questions, just ask them |
| 01:13.48 | redDEADresolve | stew, the install process on the debian page are a bit confusing. this is my first mac product. how does the mac actually boot/use bios |
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| 01:17.35 | neurolysis | Hi, I just tried to install testing from USB using boot.img and testing CD1 (i386) -- the Lenny usb booter/CD1 work fine, but on my laptop (acer aspire one ZG5) it seems like it completely freezes, there is no response from the keyboard to select anything from the menu, even if I connect an external keyboard (USB). Any ideas? |
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| 01:24.22 | Kitty | I recently did a dist-upgrade on my laptop, after a reboot to 2.6.32 kernel, X doesn't work atall |
| 01:24.36 | Kitty | I have console working, but not X (and thus limited google) |
| 01:24.42 | Kitty | I am using an IBM X31 laptop |
| 01:24.46 | Kitty | is this some known bug ? |
| 01:25.21 | daemonkeeper | Do you use (for example) the nvidia display driver? |
| 01:25.26 | Kitty | no, ati |
| 01:25.32 | daemonkeeper | Binary? |
| 01:25.36 | Kitty | no idea, |
| 01:25.44 | Kitty | it used to work quite happily... |
| 01:25.57 | daemonkeeper | Well, did you build a display driver on your own previously or did it "just work"? |
| 01:26.01 | Kitty | just worked |
| 01:26.24 | Kitty | uses the "ati" driver in X |
| 01:26.49 | daemonkeeper | Then look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log. There might be an indication of your problem. |
| 01:27.27 | daemonkeeper | Look for the (EE) lines |
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| 01:28.43 | Kitty | I see no obvious errors |
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| 01:29.02 | Kitty | infact, no EE lines atall |
| 01:29.02 | dvs | Kitty: pastebin it |
| 01:29.08 | Kitty | erm, can't |
| 01:29.10 | Kitty | lack of X |
| 01:29.19 | stew | Kitty: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:29.21 | Kitty | and using links as a browser for this is just painful |
| 01:29.22 | Kitty | erm |
| 01:29.25 | stew | Kitty: why can't you pastebin it? |
| 01:29.38 | Kitty | testing |
| 01:29.42 | stew | !pastebinit |
| 01:29.42 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 01:29.48 | Kitty | aah |
| 01:29.49 | droidbittin | pastebinit? |
| 01:29.50 | deepa | aptkiapt-get install pastebinit |
| 01:30.03 | stew | Kitty: did you just switch to testing? |
| 01:30.09 | deepa | okay that's nice, now I know what happens when I type while lagging |
| 01:30.12 | Kitty | no, it was working fine for ages |
| 01:30.20 | stew | Kitty: but you just upgraded to 2.6.32? |
| 01:30.41 | deepa | That reminds me, which kernel will I get if I install testing now? |
| 01:30.47 | daemonkeeper | 2.6.32 |
| 01:30.55 | Kitty | well apt-get install pastebinit results in several screen full of apt dependency errors... |
| 01:30.57 | deepa | Good, then my drivers will work, thanks! |
| 01:31.50 | Kitty | so, pastebin isn't happenning |
| 01:31.59 | deepa | Kitty: got python installed? |
| 01:32.01 | Kitty | yes |
| 01:32.07 | stew | Kitty: did you just upgrade what was a very out of date testing? |
| 01:32.11 | Kitty | nope |
| 01:32.22 | stew | Kitty: what kernel were you running before? |
| 01:32.30 | Kitty | 2.6.25 or 2.6.26 I think |
| 01:32.37 | daemonkeeper | So Lenny -> Squeeze? |
| 01:32.41 | daemonkeeper | Or just a backport? |
| 01:32.57 | Kitty | erm, I don't understand that question |
| 01:33.01 | stew | 2.6.26 was uploaded to lenny like 2 years ago |
| 01:33.16 | Kitty | I have been doing a dist-upgrade every few months for years |
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| 01:33.36 | stew | Kitty: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 01:33.50 | Kitty | erm |
| 01:34.12 | Kitty | 164-3 |
| 01:34.13 | deepa | Kitty: here's a link to pastebinit http://launchpad.net/pastebinit/trunk/1.1/+download/pastebinit-1.1.tar.gz or http://tinyurl.com/2ead2yl |
| 01:34.25 | daemonkeeper | stew: The kernel wouldn't even boot without having the required udev. |
| 01:34.44 | daemonkeeper | He seems to be booted into 2.6.32 though, just not having X |
| 01:34.50 | Kitty | she |
| 01:35.07 | Kitty | X starts, giving no errors in the logs, I just have a completely black screen |
| 01:35.14 | Kitty | with no mouse, or anything showing |
| 01:35.33 | stew | daemonkeeper: then how does the backports kernel work if that udev is required? |
| 01:35.54 | stew | Kitty: what resolution is it running at? |
| 01:36.24 | Kitty | right, after all that. |
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| 01:36.37 | Kitty | it was my window manager not giving anything on there |
| 01:36.43 | Kitty | black screen == waiting for user to do anything |
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| 01:36.51 | Kitty | X is working fine |
| 01:37.03 | metaldog | does anybody know how close is squeeze getting stable? |
| 01:37.13 | Kitty | I am a complete muppet on this one. |
| 01:37.21 | Kitty | sorry for this, and thank you everyone for your help. |
| 01:37.40 | stew | metaldog: http://blog.schmehl.info/ |
| 01:39.15 | metaldog | very cool, thanks stew, thats more than i've expected. |
| 01:39.53 | stew | metaldog: one unknown that I know about is that it hasn't yet been decided if we need an RC2 of the installer |
| 01:41.06 | metaldog | hmm. |
| 01:41.09 | daemonkeeper | stew: I guess, you intended to find out whether he has running into the udev isssue, that prevents newer kernels (iirc 2.6.28) to be booted if the the installed udev version is too old (which is also pointed out by the lenny->squeeze upgrade process). If he would have been hit by that issue the kernel wouldn't even boot as said. |
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| 01:41.55 | stew | daemonkeeper: i'm not aware of the issue you are talking about |
| 01:42.12 | daemonkeeper | stew: So forget my comment before. |
| 01:42.27 | metaldog | i've tried a fresh instalaltion of testing from 12/30, the installer did made a very marbled impression to me |
| 01:43.58 | metaldog | i didnt tied the graphically one, only text-based, which made it very well |
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| 01:44.07 | Kitty | cheers everyone foryour help |
| 01:44.08 | ripero | 25-> 26 |
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| 01:47.00 | daemonkeeper | stew: FYI http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549710 (see also the debconf warning when installing the 2.6.32 kernel on such systems) |
| 01:47.13 | metaldog | its much more easier for me, setting up an unknown wlan interface under debian (console), than with this "all-assisted" opensuse/yast XD |
| 01:48.17 | stew | daemonkeeper: this is saying that Kitty's old kernel would have stopped working. the new one should work with an older udev |
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| 01:49.36 | daemonkeeper | stew: Lenny ships 2.6.26 and and $newer_udev requires at least 2.6.27. That is you will break your system if you upgrade to squezze without doing the kernel as well. That is all I wanted to say ;) |
| 01:49.59 | daemonkeeper | I think also dpkg has a hint about that |
| 01:49.59 | stew | daemonkeeper: i'm not finding a udev warning from 2.6.32 |
| 01:50.16 | stew | daemonkeeper: that's different than what you've been saying |
| 01:50.28 | stew | daemonkeeper: you were saying that 2.3.32 wouldn't be bootable, not 2.6.26 |
| 01:50.41 | daemonkeeper | Whops, you're right. |
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| 01:52.35 | stew | (and if 2.6.32 didn't work with an older udev, the backports kernel wouldn't be useful) |
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| 02:15.19 | zignig | got myself a i7 mother board and 6G of ram, however lenny only sees 2G in system. |
| 02:15.24 | zignig | what would cause this ? |
| 02:16.24 | icebrain | zignig: is it 32 bit or 64 bit Lenny? |
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| 02:16.30 | crooks3o6 | zignig: what's the output of uname -a? |
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| 02:17.50 | coops89 | how do I create a user with useradd without prompting for password and which has no password (login not possible... just for services) |
| 02:17.56 | zignig | 2.6.26-2-686 SMP |
| 02:17.59 | zignig | icebrain: 32 bit |
| 02:18.17 | pipeline | install bigmem kernel, problem solved |
| 02:18.31 | zignig | pipeline: will advise. ;) |
| 02:19.28 | zignig | pipeline: apt-get is so nice... |
| 02:19.45 | crooks3o6 | that would be the problem.. need bigmem and 32bit will only address 4gb of ram |
| 02:20.19 | zignig | crooks3o6: indeed , I might have to reinstall to 64 bit. |
| 02:20.34 | zignig | crooks3o6: which is ok , because the only thing installed is irssi |
| 02:20.59 | icebrain | crooks3o6: no, according to the package description it supports up to 16GB |
| 02:21.09 | icebrain | no, wait, 64 |
| 02:21.17 | zignig | icebrain: MWHAHAHA! |
| 02:21.27 | icebrain | zignig: ? |
| 02:21.37 | zignig | 64Gb of ram.... |
| 02:21.46 | zignig | icebrain: anyway... :) |
| 02:22.41 | Makuew | Is it healthy on the system if /dev is using all its partition space? I mean, can it cause any crashes etc? |
| 02:22.56 | crooks3o6 | icebrain: if it uses PAE I believe |
| 02:22.57 | icebrain | yes, 64. There are some servers with 64GB of RAM, like the pBlade. |
| 02:23.04 | dvs | Makuew: /dev is in memory |
| 02:23.13 | icebrain | crooks3o6: that's the whole purpose of bigmem, isn't it? |
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| 02:23.25 | crooks3o6 | icebrain: yep |
| 02:23.35 | Makuew | dvs: udev 10M 10M 0 100% /dev , so i can just leave it like this without worries? |
| 02:24.55 | dvs | Makuew: 10M used for /dev?!? |
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| 02:26.08 | icebrain | yeah, that's strange. My /dev has 256K used |
| 02:26.17 | zignig | will return with new kernel... |
| 02:26.22 | dvs | mine has 192K |
| 02:26.24 | frostschutz | Makuew: did you write something in there with dd into a non existing device file by accident, or some such? |
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| 02:27.14 | crooks3o6 | mine is 3M atm |
| 02:28.22 | uigne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89gIJtL-ODQ |
| 02:28.33 | j4son | beer:30 |
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| 02:29.08 | Makuew | I dont think so |
| 02:29.11 | zignig | nice free = 6218312 kb |
| 02:29.19 | zignig | rockon , thanks :) |
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| 02:29.35 | Makuew | I have been using dd allot to make speedtests. But i removed em all |
| 02:30.10 | frostschutz | Makuew: see if find /dev -type f -size +16 yields anything and then see how large it is |
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| 02:30.33 | icebrain | or just run 'du -h' in /dev |
| 02:30.41 | frostschutz | or that |
| 02:30.57 | Kitty | hi again, prior to my dist-upgrade I was using xbindkeys to allow me to use ctrl+shift+up and ctrl+shift+down to control the volume of my laptop, but, it doesn't seem to work anymore. |
| 02:31.00 | frostschutz | long list though |
| 02:31.06 | Kitty | any indications why that might be the case ? |
| 02:31.10 | Makuew | udev 10M 2.9M 7.2M 29% /dev |
| 02:31.11 | Makuew | now |
| 02:31.11 | Makuew | :P |
| 02:31.22 | dvs | better |
| 02:31.30 | frostschutz | du /dev | sort -n maybe |
| 02:32.22 | zignig | thanks all , off to read some kvm documention. |
| 02:32.27 | frostschutz | 2.9M is still a lot, less than 500k here :-) but it's okay I don't have as many usb rocket launchers as you do |
| 02:32.45 | Makuew | 2860 /dev/.udev/db |
| 02:33.14 | frostschutz | that's a directory, not a file |
| 02:33.51 | frostschutz | and it's better not to touch stuff in .udev even if it should be large for some reason |
| 02:34.42 | Makuew | Ok |
| 02:35.05 | Crisco | inb4tell |
| 02:35.07 | frostschutz | crap, du only lists directories, right? du -a then or sth ;) |
| 02:35.16 | Crisco | oh it does a pm |
| 02:35.41 | Crisco | yeah icebrain I know you can use apt offline, I just don't like having to download and burn discs |
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| 02:37.12 | icebrain | Crisco: you don't need to burn disks with apt offline, you can use whatever you use to move the 'debs around |
| 02:37.36 | icebrain | there's also apt-zip |
| 02:37.39 | icebrain | !apt-zip |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 02:38.19 | Crisco | ph |
| 02:38.21 | Crisco | well |
| 02:38.30 | Crisco | doesn't matter now that I'm networked amirite? |
| 02:38.36 | icebrain | right :) |
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| 02:41.11 | Crisco | also, I installed the nvidia drivers I wanted, do I need to restart for them to take effect? |
| 02:41.32 | aleray | hi, I have a server on debian lenny. I have some troubles that might be related to mod_wsgi. Can i install mod_wsgi from backport while keeping the rest of apache on lenny? SHould I desinstall mod_wsgi first before installing from backport? |
| 02:41.50 | icebrain | Crisco: I *think* you can just logout/login, but I'm not sure |
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| 02:42.50 | Crisco | I won't need to logout on tty1 will I? I'm running server software there |
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| 02:44.16 | Makuew | Stupid question. Lets say i run raid0 on 10 drives. Each drive has 100mb/s speed for example. Will i then be able to use 1000mb/sec on downloads to the raid0 partition mounted? |
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| 02:45.11 | icebrain | Crisco: I don't think so - X sessions should be enough - but again, I can't be sure. |
| 02:46.11 | Crisco | oh great... now I'm getting a pixmap error with compiz |
| 02:46.19 | Crisco | maybe I'll just switch to awesome |
| 02:46.23 | OrigenAG | Hi All, is there a way to route an address through a specific gateway based on the URL as oppose to IP? |
| 02:46.44 | frostschutz | Makuew: in theory, if there is no bottleneck somewhere... most likely there will be though and raid never scales perfectly like that |
| 02:47.27 | Makuew | frostschoutz: Ok, because i am only getting like 893mb/sec from debian mirror. But i guess you need to take some off. |
| 02:48.12 | JayEye | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.13 | icebrain | OrigenAG: I don't think so... does the URL have a dynamic IP? Can't you simply find out about its IP(s) and route using them? |
| 02:48.29 | Makuew | JayEye: Well, the network is 10gbps :p |
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| 02:48.55 | Makuew | And the server is located in the same dc as the mirror |
| 02:49.25 | Makuew | I have a feeling 10gbps for 200 pound is not right. |
| 02:50.46 | OrigenAG | icebrain: Thanks, that what I thought.... I was hoping to route anything going to Hulu or Pandora through a VPN. As my ADSL modem is on its way out I figured I may build a Debian router with an ADSL PCI card instead but I just may not need that much flexibility to warrant the effort |
| 02:51.12 | OrigenAG | DD-WRT should be enough to fulfil that goal |
| 02:51.45 | icebrain | OrigenAG: just 'dig' the domains and route that, I doubt their IPs change all the time |
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| 02:52.47 | Makuew | ahh, 10gbps down but 250mbit upload |
| 02:52.52 | Makuew | explains the price :/ |
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| 02:53.27 | OrigenAG | icebrain: Thanks, I'll roll that into a script so it can be set and forget |
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| 02:54.30 | JayEye | does that include transit, or is it just the link? |
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| 02:55.34 | Guest36119 | hi guys, I have a server that has a dynamic ip address hosted by dyndns, i would like to add it to my /etc/hosts file with an alias to avoid having to write the whole name everytime i want to connect through ssh... any ideas? |
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| 03:02.13 | aleray | I have a server on debian lenny. I have some troubles that might be related to mod_wsgi. Can i install mod_wsgi from backport while keeping the rest of apache on lenny? SHould I desinstall mod_wsgi first before installing from backport? |
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| 03:04.01 | stew | aleray: no need to deinstall, you can just upgrade |
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| 03:10.23 | Crisco | yay a restart of debian and a modification of xorg.cong fixed my problem |
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| 03:14.45 | aleray | stew, thanks. aptitude update -t lenny-backports libapache2-mod-wsgi throw an error: "update doesn't take parameters" (i'm translating from frenc) |
| 03:14.48 | aleray | french |
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| 03:15.58 | abrotman | aleray: install, not update |
| 03:16.48 | aleray | abrotman, it will desinstall the lenny version automatically? |
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| 03:17.06 | aleray | (to replace it with the backport version) |
| 03:17.09 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 03:17.39 | aleray | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 03:18.47 | Snowikku | hi, someone know to properly uninstall kerberos? |
| 03:19.48 | Makuew | Can you use for example ram/cpu manufractured by fujitsu on hp servers? |
| 03:19.54 | tharkun | Snowikku: aptitude purge krb5-admin-server |
| 03:20.00 | Snowikku | tharkun, thanks |
| 03:20.11 | Makuew | Or is it the same thing as a normal workstation? |
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| 03:20.38 | abrotman | Makuew: ##hardware |
| 03:20.44 | Snowikku | tharkun, does it also remove that annoying prompt when I type passwd? |
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| 03:22.28 | Snowikku | tharkun, wait it,s not even installed |
| 03:23.10 | tharkun | Snowikku: dpkg -l |grep krb5 and you should get the packages installed on your server |
| 03:24.11 | Snowikku | tharkun, hm I think I have something |
| 03:24.32 | Snowikku | PAM is configured to run with kerberos |
| 03:24.53 | tharkun | You will need to fix that before you get rid of kerberos |
| 03:25.01 | Snowikku | yes |
| 03:25.29 | Snowikku | is there a trick to return to the defaut conf with dpkg-reconfigure or something? |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | for what? |
| 03:26.13 | abrotman | !confnew |
| 03:26.13 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 03:27.02 | tharkun | Snowikku: depends on who is authenticating with pam. Things might be very complicated and no automated trick will get you out of the tight spot |
| 03:27.34 | Snowikku | Well, I want to authenticate with the normal UNIX password system |
| 03:27.58 | Snowikku | pam_unix.so or sth |
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| 03:28.19 | tharkun | What aditional service does that particular server has running? email server, .... |
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| 03:29.07 | Snowikku | well, not a lot |
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| 03:30.19 | tharkun | First make sure all other services are not authenticating whith the pam-kerberos-ldap combo and then restore pams cofig. If you do it before, you might run into trouble |
| 03:30.34 | Snowikku | ok |
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| 03:32.02 | Snowikku | hm, I didn't installed anything yet |
| 03:32.19 | Snowikku | but I removed libpam-krb5 |
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| 03:32.30 | Snowikku | then I did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh libpam-runtime |
| 03:32.43 | Snowikku | and it seems to work |
| 03:33.06 | Snowikku | thanks :) |
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| 03:35.29 | skutr3 | hi |
| 03:36.00 | skutr3 | can some help me please? |
| 03:36.02 | skutr3 | someone* |
| 03:36.17 | skutr3 | help me please |
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| 03:37.30 | edbian | A friend of mine and myself are writing a program. We want to release it as open source in the near future. What do we have to do to get an open source license? Where can I read about it? Is it enough to put a big 'this is open source software' comment at the top of the source? |
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| 03:37.36 | abrotman | skutr3: you have to actually ask a real quesiton |
| 03:37.51 | tharkun | !tell skutr3 about ask |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | edbian: opensource.org |
| 03:38.33 | edbian | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:38.47 | skutr3 | I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop that has Windows 7 built into it. I downloaded AMD64 as my laptop is a dual-core AMD vision processor and I'm trying to install Debian as a dual boot i boot the cd at pc startup and try to install and it says failed to boot press a keyy to retry |
| 03:39.48 | skutr3 | could this mean i downloaded the wrong version? |
| 03:40.22 | tharkun | !tell skutr3 check iso image |
| 03:40.29 | tharkun | !tell skutr3 about check iso image |
| 03:41.03 | skutr3 | what? |
| 03:42.04 | Zvrk | skutr3, how much memory you have? |
| 03:42.18 | skutr3 | hey |
| 03:42.22 | skutr3 | ? |
| 03:42.49 | skutr3 | idk.... |
| 03:43.00 | skutr3 | C: has 99.9 gb |
| 03:43.07 | Zvrk | skutr3, how much memory you have? |
| 03:43.18 | tharkun | ram |
| 03:43.18 | skutr3 | C: has 99.9 gb |
| 03:43.41 | skutr3 | how do i find ram |
| 03:43.48 | Zvrk | skutr3, that is harddrive |
| 03:44.50 | skutr3 | ive got C: which has 99.9 gb and i have local disk Q: which i dont have access to... |
| 03:46.37 | skutr3 | hello? |
| 03:46.45 | tharkun | skutr3: grab a live cd of the distro you want then cat /8et |
| 03:46.58 | Zvrk | skutr3, amd64 iso is for 64 bit systems with 4gb ram or more |
| 03:47.02 | tharkun | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 03:47.36 | Zvrk | skutr3, your win7 are 32 bir or/ |
| 03:47.56 | Zvrk | skutr3, your win7 are 32 bit or |
| 03:48.09 | skutr3 | im running a 64-bit version of windows 7 |
| 03:48.26 | skutr3 | its 64 bit windows 7 |
| 03:48.41 | skutr3 | what? |
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| 03:49.09 | Zvrk | skutr3, ok than amd64 will be fine |
| 03:49.40 | skutr3 | Zvrk: thats what i have |
| 03:49.41 | skutr3 | Zvrk: on a cd |
| 03:49.54 | skutr3 | Zvrk: but it wont install |
| 03:49.58 | Zvrk | skutr3, but you need to check sum of iso image |
| 03:50.29 | skutr3 | Zvrk: how? |
| 03:51.07 | Zvrk | skutr3, what kind of image you have |
| 03:51.22 | Zvrk | skutr3, like live cd dvds |
| 03:51.33 | Zvrk | skutr3, or |
| 03:52.04 | skutr3 | Zvrk: i downloaded the iso burned it to a cd-r |
| 03:52.50 | Zvrk | skutr3, buddy you got a lot cds for debian |
| 03:53.11 | skutr3 | Zvrk: booted the cd tried installing and got "failed to boot. press any key to retry |
| 03:53.26 | skutr3 | Zvrk: huh? |
| 03:53.43 | Zvrk | skutr3, best use netinstall cd |
| 03:53.47 | comradekingu | was it minimal, netinst, daily live, experimental? |
| 03:54.14 | Zvrk | skutr3, best use netinstall iso image |
| 03:55.24 | comradekingu | skutr3: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Try this, verify it with md5sum if you can |
| 03:55.32 | Zvrk | skutr3, btw do you have free space on your hard drive |
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| 03:59.51 | Zvrk | skutr3, for you best to find livecd and first try but read manual of installing debian and all options |
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| 04:04.32 | dfhsd | . |
| 04:05.51 | dfhsd | When to switch from sid 2 wheezle? |
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| 04:07.10 | abrotman | wheezy doesn't exist yet |
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| 04:11.13 | tonytraductor | I can run my scanner as root but not user. I tried to #useradd -G scanner me, and it says me exists, but, then, when I do groups, I do not see scanner. Please advise (thanks) |
| 04:12.08 | tonytraductor | was that confusing? |
| 04:12.34 | dfhsd | Strobe you will need. |
| 04:12.34 | dfhsd | * Beirut gives voice to dfhsd |
| 04:12.34 | dfhsd | <dfhsd> Surfraw you will need. . . |
| 04:12.34 | dfhsd | <dfhsd> Both written by Julia Assange. |
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| 04:12.44 | tonytraductor | I'm assuming my user (tony) is not in the scanner group, or something, since xsane as root (not recommended) works, but xsane as tony (user) says no device found |
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| 04:13.48 | tonytraductor | so I did (as root) useradd -G scanner tony, and I got "tony exists". But, as tony, I do :~$ groups(enter) and I get tony dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev (no scanner) |
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| 04:15.10 | abrotman | tonytraductor: you have to logout/login after adding yourself |
| 04:15.10 | Crisco | new problems, when compiling emerald-theme-manager I get the errors when doing ./configure http://pastie.org/1444344 |
| 04:16.31 | Crisco | should I trust the last post on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43514 ? |
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| 04:17.40 | tonytraductor | oh...thanks... |
| 04:17.47 | tonytraductor | old age...that's my excuse... |
| 04:17.52 | tonytraductor | I'll be back... |
| 04:17.56 | abrotman | i've been drinking? :) |
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| 04:20.53 | tonytraductor | logging out and back in didn't change anything...still no scanner group in my groups, and xsane still doesn't find the scanner when run as user (but does as root) |
| 04:20.56 | jmarsden | tonytraductor: I think you want usermod -G scanner tony # to modify the user, not add him |
| 04:21.28 | jmarsden | tonytraductor: After usermod and then logout/login, use id tony # to see what groups tony is in. |
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| 04:22.14 | jmarsden | tonytraductor: correction, you really want usermod -G -a scanner tony |
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| 04:24.49 | tonytraductor | that was bad...it CHANGED my list of groups....now I'm scanner, but not all the others I was in, and I don't remember what all they were to add them back |
| 04:25.04 | abrotman | <tonytraductor> so I did (as root) useradd -G scanner tony, and I got "tony exists". But, as tony, I do :~$ groups(enter) and I get tony dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev (no scanner) |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | how's that! :) |
| 04:25.48 | tonytraductor | oh thanks |
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| 04:26.19 | dfhsd | surfraw? |
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| 04:29.13 | dfhsd | strobe (included with Debian's netdiag package) |
| 04:29.24 | tonytraductor | almost seems silly to include floppy since I have no floppy drive, but, I suppose for nostalgia' s sake... |
| 04:29.27 | tonytraductor | brb |
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| 04:30.26 | dfhsd | floppy distros beats everything |
| 04:30.46 | dfhsd | 4 netbootin' |
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| 04:30.58 | tonytraductor | all good now! thanks |
| 04:31.00 | tonytraductor | ! |
| 04:31.01 | dfhsd | 1 second to boot |
| 04:31.03 | tonytraductor | :) |
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| 04:31.22 | tonytraductor | I'm sure I'll be back soon, likely with more silly questions. |
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| 04:32.19 | dfhsd | so : apt-get install surfraw netdiag |
| 04:32.21 | rking | Looks like my new ISP is going to try to charge $12.95 for a router with Wireless. No way. I'm either going to buy one myself or try to set my desktop up with a card and make it the Wireless AP. How hard is that Desktop-as-AP solution? |
| 04:33.01 | dfhsd | and enjoy Assange's programs |
| 04:34.25 | dfhsd | rking:is possible I hope |
| 04:35.09 | rking | dfhsd: It seems like one of those things that seems really easy to begin with then ends up hitting some huge snag that requires kernel recompilation, soldering, and crying. |
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| 04:36.20 | dfhsd | do you want lirc? infrared interface 4 your PC? |
| 04:36.45 | rking | dfhsd: Iunno... seems like an unrelated technology to Wifi. (?) |
| 04:36.46 | dfhsd | That means solldering. And about 10 $ |
| 04:36.51 | rking | Ahh, hehe |
| 04:36.54 | JuStIcIa_ | one question why debian/squeeze are stopped? |
| 04:36.58 | JuStIcIa_ | :/ |
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| 04:37.35 | dfhsd | wifi is integrated in Linux. Debian & so on. |
| 04:37.38 | kj4 | is it true you guys are about to squeeze out another release? |
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| 04:38.03 | dfhsd | waiting 4 wheasel. |
| 04:38.16 | rking | dfhsd: I figured so... I just wasn't sure if it was going to be trouble in this case. Thanks. |
| 04:38.26 | dfhsd | I join git. |
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| 04:39.40 | stew | JuStIcIa_: squeeze is frozen now to get it ready to release as the next stable |
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| 04:40.07 | kj4 | stew how soon do you figure that will be? |
| 04:40.09 | stew | kj4: http://blog.schmehl.info/ |
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| 04:40.16 | kj4 | thanks |
| 04:40.24 | JuStIcIa_ | thanks |
| 04:40.25 | dfhsd | rking, I needed firmware-ralink to get wifi working on all channels. |
| 04:41.12 | rking | dfhsd: I hope to find a wireless card that is very well supported |
| 04:42.27 | dfhsd | I've got ralink 2710 for 10 euro. It works. |
| 04:42.51 | dfhsd | usb-plugin that is. |
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| 04:44.34 | rking | dfhsd: You might want to contribute to this list (I see some similar, but not identical, to yours): http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_hostif.php?hostif=USB |
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| 05:33.53 | tonytraductor | ok, I knew I'd be back with more silly questions. It seems the /root partition is really not big enough (I did the guided partitioning during install, and it's 7gb, but already c. 6gb full...not good). |
| 05:34.44 | tonytraductor | so I loaded up the gparted livecd and it will allow me to shrink the /home partition, and move /swap, but no matter what I do, it won't allow me to expand the /root partition, even with all kinds of empty space right next to it...why? |
| 05:35.15 | tharkun | Because it is mounted |
| 05:35.17 | dfhsd | don't know. . . |
| 05:35.42 | dfhsd | init 1 would sove. |
| 05:35.55 | tonytraductor | shouldn't be mounted. I'm running a livecd (this is not on th machine I'm here on, which should be obvious). why would it be mounted? |
| 05:36.25 | dfhsd | sove =solve |
| 05:36.26 | tonytraductor | I didn't mount it, anyway |
| 05:37.02 | EmleyMoor | tonytraductor: Is / primary and the others extended, perhaps? |
| 05:37.11 | tonytraductor | hold on |
| 05:38.12 | tonytraductor | yes, that appears to be correct |
| 05:38.15 | EmleyMoor | If so, you need to make the holding partition for the extended partitions smaller first - so that it begins at the first extended partition's new place, not its old one |
| 05:39.18 | tonytraductor | and /boot is on the /root, which is different from the machine I'm on now (as /boot, /, /home, /swap here, the other, the one I'm trying to work on, only has /, /home /swap, with /boot right in the /root) |
| 05:39.36 | EmleyMoor | Yes, that's not unusual |
| 05:39.41 | tonytraductor | oh, that makes sense |
| 05:39.59 | tonytraductor | let me try that, brb |
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| 05:44.18 | tonytraductor | yep, that did it. I wasn't looking at the extended wrapping partition around /home and /swap, but once you mentioned that, it made sense. |
| 05:44.27 | tonytraductor | gparted is now doing it's thing. thanks. |
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| 05:46.44 | tonytraductor | probably going to take a long time, considering that's a 1TB drive...isn't it? |
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| 06:19.08 | skamikaze | coops89: talking bout user or process groups? |
| 06:19.17 | coops89 | talking about unix groups |
| 06:19.20 | coops89 | user groups |
| 06:19.37 | skamikaze | less /etc/group |
| 06:20.42 | coops89 | skamikaze: with a script.. automated |
| 06:21.28 | skamikaze | script arguments are usernames? |
| 06:22.35 | skamikaze | coops89: you maybe wanna adapt that: http://www.refining-linux.org/archives/31/24-The-awk-basics/ |
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| 06:26.22 | Arrowmaster | getent group GROUPNAME | awk -F: '{ print $3 }' |
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| 06:32.23 | GJdan | I have a nooby question |
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| 06:32.47 | GJdan | what's the difference between editing the $PATH variable in .profile or in .bashrc? |
| 06:33.54 | lockon | GJdan: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
| 06:34.02 | dfhsd | . |
| 06:34.08 | jmarsden | GJdan: whether shells other than bash will see it, basically |
| 06:34.47 | dfhsd | I like bah very much. |
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| 06:35.00 | dfhsd | bah=bash |
| 06:35.24 | GJdan | so basically, .profile is user specific and .bashrc is kinda universal? lawl |
| 06:35.28 | jmarsden | lockon: That article describe the difference between .bashrc and .bash_profile, which is not what GJdan was asking about, at least as I understood the question. |
| 06:35.32 | Arrowmaster | GJdan: no |
| 06:35.41 | GJdan | >.< k, I'll keep reading |
| 06:35.58 | Arrowmaster | GJdan: just set the path in .profile |
| 06:35.59 | jmarsden | GJdan: No. ~/.bashrc is only read by the bash shell, ~/.profile is read by some other shells including dash |
| 06:36.30 | Arrowmaster | ~/.profile is also read when you login to X |
| 06:36.30 | apt | Arrowmaster: okay |
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| 06:36.34 | lockon | jmarsden, yes, true, but it also explains what .bashrc is for as opposed to the .profile. |
| 06:37.05 | lockon | If he wants $PATH variables set only for non-login bash shells, .bashrc is the way to go. |
| 06:37.13 | GJdan | k I get it |
| 06:37.25 | dfhsd | jmarsden has it right. |
| 06:37.39 | jmarsden | lockon: Really? I see no mention of .profile at all in the article... |
| 06:37.42 | GJdan | but both are in your home folder :/ I was sort of hoping for a lazy solution that will set PATH for all users |
| 06:38.14 | jmarsden | GJdan: then edit /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc or do soemthing in /etc/profile.d/ |
| 06:38.22 | lockon | jmarsden, there isn't. |
| 06:38.26 | Arrowmaster | bash reads ~/.profile if ~/.bash_profile doesnt exist |
| 06:38.30 | GJdan | ah I see :D thanks |
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| 06:39.02 | dfhsd | Arrow You sure? |
| 06:39.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:39.16 | dfhsd | Thanks! |
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| 07:00.04 | dfhsd | ... |
| 07:00.16 | dfhsd | ...- |
| 07:00.20 | dfhsd | ..-- |
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| 07:00.35 | skamikaze | stop that please |
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| 08:02.49 | Kasreyn | first time this happens. apt-get update is stuck at "Fetched 259 kB in 12s (20.4 kB/s)" |
| 08:03.02 | Kasreyn | is it safe to Ctrl+C ? |
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| 08:03.51 | Kasreyn | oh.. it's stuck because of a hanged nfs mount |
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| 08:06.54 | pom | I'm having trouble unmounting /dev/md2. lsof shows this to be opened but I don't know how to close those resources. http://pastie.org/1444649 |
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| 08:08.32 | Guest57784 | md2 == /? |
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| 08:09.11 | pom | xk: No, it's /data/storage |
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| 08:10.15 | xk | lsof -n | grep /data/storage |
| 08:10.54 | pom | xk: That outputs nothing. |
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| 08:11.18 | xk | so you tried unmount /data/storage or /dev/md2? |
| 08:11.34 | pom | I tried both. |
| 08:12.30 | pom | My current state is that I tried to use umount -l, and that unmounted it, but didn't leave it idle for fsck.ext3 so check it. |
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| 08:23.04 | ethanol | pom, software raid? |
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| 08:23.39 | xk | so is it unmounted right now? |
| 08:24.52 | coops89 | how do I recursively move without overwriting existing files? |
| 08:25.00 | coops89 | using mv |
| 08:25.24 | pom | ethanol: Yes. |
| 08:25.33 | pom | xk: No, I solved it with fuser. |
| 08:25.54 | ethanol | coops89, you don't. use cp instead then. |
| 08:26.12 | xk | coops89: "mc" |
| 08:26.23 | ethanol | coops89, or use -u |
| 08:26.24 | coops89 | bash: mc: command not found |
| 08:26.36 | xk | apt-get install mc |
| 08:26.39 | coops89 | getting tons of Directory not empty |
| 08:27.06 | ethanol | coops89, what exactly did you run? |
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| 08:36.35 | bolt-work | Kasreyn: you can almost always ctrl+c apt-get |
| 08:36.47 | bolt-work | worst case, it'll tell you to do apt-get -f install afterwards |
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| 08:46.48 | hid3 | Morning everyone. Any ideas why does Squeeze instalaltion disk partitioner leaves a few megs of free/unallocated space before and after each partition? |
| 08:48.21 | streuner__ | Who cares about a few MBs nowadays in times when you have 1000-2000 GB availabe? |
| 08:48.34 | nevyn | me |
| 08:48.37 | streuner__ | available* |
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| 08:48.56 | kgoetz | hid3: its part of the global conspiracy to waste resources |
| 08:48.59 | nevyn | system volumes are still 40Gig here.. |
| 08:49.11 | nevyn | hid3: Alignment maybe. |
| 08:49.22 | pom | I'm having troubles with occasional system-hangs. The system is not completely frozen but there is no response to network requests. I have been able to login as far as entering username and pass, but the bash has not come up. Here's some info from my kern.log which I believe is relevant. I have also included the messages from the reboot following. http://pastie.org/1444702 |
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| 08:51.17 | hid3 | nevyn: so I shouldn't touch that thing manually, right? |
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| 08:55.12 | nevyn | hid3: if you're using lvm lvm uses a 4meg block size. this means there may be some wasted space that's some blath of a 4meg block |
| 08:55.20 | nevyn | I wouldn't touch it. |
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| 08:56.36 | nevyn | pom: that's pretty ugly |
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| 08:56.53 | nevyn | looks like a crash in the guts of the jbod driver or your filesystem. |
| 08:57.44 | nevyn | but it's missing the kernel symbols. you need to do a ksymoops on it if you want to report it. |
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| 08:59.48 | pom | nevyn: jbod = just a bunch of disks? |
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| 09:07.06 | nevyn | pom: yep |
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| 09:07.57 | nevyn | pom: nah actually it looks like filesystem the more I look at it. |
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| 09:08.14 | nevyn | jbd I think is actually a journal related function. |
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| 09:09.28 | pom | I've read up on ksymoops, but I don't understand how to use it exactly. Is the "oops-data" what I pasted? |
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| 09:13.50 | ethanol | pom, stop using software raid. |
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| 09:14.15 | xk | hardware is proprietary |
| 09:14.20 | xk | er, RAID |
| 09:14.41 | ethanol | I'll take a raid controller over software any day |
| 09:14.51 | xk | one that doesn't allow you backup its config? :) |
| 09:15.13 | xk | one that has an EOL of 1 year? :) |
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| 09:15.28 | ethanol | been using the same one for over 6 years in one of my machines |
| 09:15.33 | ethanol | so you must be on crack |
| 09:15.39 | xk | machine != server :) |
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| 09:15.50 | ethanol | semantics |
| 09:15.56 | xk | I've seen fucked up pseudo hardware RAID |
| 09:15.59 | xk | I wouldnt want to touch them. |
| 09:15.59 | ethanol | I call it a machine. |
| 09:16.51 | ethanol | have had no issues with my 3ware ones. |
| 09:16.57 | ethanol | they all work fine |
| 09:17.06 | xk | yeah... dont touch the other ones |
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| 09:17.26 | ethanol | I think our new ibm server has something else |
| 09:18.32 | ethanol | errr, hp server |
| 09:18.44 | ethanol | some smart array thingy. |
| 09:18.45 | ethanol | shrugs |
| 09:18.50 | xk | from the compaq days |
| 09:18.51 | xk | cciss |
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| 09:18.57 | ethanol | yeah, cciss |
| 09:18.59 | ethanol | works fine too |
| 09:19.22 | xk | not if the battery fails on the card :) |
| 09:19.26 | xk | good bye write performance |
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| 09:19.46 | xk | (had that happen last week) |
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| 09:20.01 | xk | friend's system, not mine. |
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| 09:20.23 | ethanol | write performance is hardly an issue on that server, so meh. |
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| 09:29.07 | ianuarius | i need to install debian on a comp. on my local network. due to some reasons i have to network boot that machine which i have managed to do. now i need to make that comp. use install packages from my comp. rather than dwnload again from net. i have the debian dvd iso's. ny help |
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| 09:36.28 | discozohan | Hello! My pc has just restarted by itself. Where should i try to look first in order to find the reason ? |
| 09:36.53 | ethanol | discozohan, could be it's depressed |
| 09:37.30 | discozohan | ethanol: mmm? ) |
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| 09:43.49 | Kasreyn | discozohan: overheating maybe |
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| 10:01.06 | renatov | hello guys! |
| 10:01.19 | renatov | (is it an English channel?) |
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| 10:01.56 | tvm | nods. |
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| 10:06.57 | niklaswe | renatov: yupp |
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| 10:08.20 | renatov | =] |
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| 10:10.24 | bolt-work | whoa! someone who actually asks instead of blabbering away in their own language? :O |
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| 10:30.49 | ethanol | bolt-work, ik snap niet wat je bedoelt :( |
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| 10:32.17 | jelly | !nl |
| 10:32.17 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
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| 10:34.48 | ethanol | :D |
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| 10:35.31 | ethanol | hrm. 11 vs 889. I think I'll stick to english :P |
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| 10:52.48 | bmm | Is it possible to INCLUDE files in dh_fixperms? |
| 10:52.59 | bmm | ( I have tried adding "DEB_DH_FIXPERMS_ARGS = conf/settings.xml" to fix it's executable state, but that doesn't work.) |
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| 10:59.33 | TheInfinity | hi everyone ... i have a question about debian / postfix / unit sockets. i have a debian virtual private server with virtuozzo (and of course without plesk). it has a unit socket limit of 600. i regulary archive this limit during brute force attacks, and even in normal operation i have a quite high value there. |
| 11:00.21 | TheInfinity | number of active sockets is around 150 (netstat -uxpen|wc -l), virtuozzo shows around 200 |
| 11:01.12 | TheInfinity | 60 of them are used by postfix, alltogether about 60 by dovecot and its several daemons (auth, imap, pop, managesieve) |
| 11:01.18 | Arrowmaster | dont really know but why not try using something to block brute force attacks |
| 11:01.49 | TheInfinity | i already use fail2ban, but this does not seem to be enough. what else would you recomment? |
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| 11:02.09 | Arrowmaster | oh if fail2ban isnt enough i dont know |
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| 11:03.20 | TheInfinity | seem to be koordinated attacks, different ip adresses and not so many attacks per second, but enough to get my sockets to the hard limit (600) |
| 11:04.24 | TheInfinity | and the usual accounts (administrator, root, several admin web guis, ... etc) |
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| 11:05.46 | TheInfinity | so any ideas? :) |
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| 11:08.28 | Arrowmaster | dont really know anything about the socket limit, maybe you could adjust the fail2ban setting though to be a bit more aggressive for certain things that would only ever happen from bruteforce attempts |
| 11:08.43 | Arrowmaster | like the specific common accounts you dont even have |
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| 11:11.52 | TheInfinity | Arrowmaster: changing ip adresses prevent fail2ban to work as efficient as it could work ... :/ |
| 11:11.54 | bmm | My questions is solved. It is not possible to INCLUDE files in dh_fixperms, you will have to use a binary-post-install rule and do the chmod on debian/package/etc yourself. |
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| 11:19.18 | surf | hi guys I have a /usr/bin/Xorg running always at more than 10/20% in idle |
| 11:20.18 | blip2 | define idle |
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| 11:20.41 | blip2 | just Xorg or have you got a desktop environment/window manager? |
| 11:22.20 | surf | compiz |
| 11:22.58 | surf | I'm trying to replace metacity and see the changes |
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| 11:24.23 | surf | blip2, the same, I have /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -audit 0 -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-oIcow9/database -nolisten tcp vt8 at 20% cpu |
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| 11:58.59 | Dis0 | Hi |
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| 12:04.03 | kzar | I'm trying to connect to a PPTP VPN server from my VPS that's running Debian. I have allowed incoming + outgoing tcp on port 1723 and GRE packets but I just can't get it to connect. I've checked with my VPS host and there's no natting or things above me that should cause a problem. I've also tried clearing all IPTABLES rules. I'm running with a PPTP config that I have tested and working on my desktop Debian box. Any |
| 12:04.03 | kzar | ideas? |
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| 12:11.48 | hid3 | Where can I set default/system-wide make options? |
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| 12:18.41 | OpenTokix | hid3: for what? |
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| 12:21.16 | TuGa | hi i have lenny installed with iptables 1.4.2 running, to make changes persistent after reboot i have created a file for rules on /etc/network and created a iptables script on /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ on the script i'm using iptables-restore < 'rules file' command, but after reboot i get the default iptables setup. |
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| 12:21.40 | TuGa | how can i make changes persistent after reboot? anyone? |
| 12:23.01 | hid3 | OpenTokix: I actually want "-j 2" to be always supplied when running `make`. And doing an `alias make="make -j 2"` doesn't sound right for me |
| 12:23.47 | daemonkeeper | Since make is nothing but a binary that may be arbitrarly called, there is no default/configuration file for it, unless hacked by $distro |
| 12:24.21 | OpenTokix | hid3: An alias is exactly what you want to do. [seconded also what daemonkeeper said] |
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| 12:25.03 | hid3 | well, it used to have a config file some time ago. Now it seems alias is the only way to go |
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| 12:26.05 | daemonkeeper | There is no configuration file, although I realize distributions like gentoo could have hacked one around for emerge. |
| 12:26.10 | OpenTokix | *shiver* |
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| 12:28.27 | bolt-work | hid3: have you considered using something like shorewall? that takes care of all the loading of rules for you |
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| 12:29.12 | bolt-work | er. |
| 12:29.16 | bolt-work | TuGa: ----^ |
| 12:29.33 | stew | TuGa: what is the name of the script in if-pre-up.d? is it complaint with the naming rules for run-parts? |
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| 12:32.17 | hid3 | uh. |
| 12:32.19 | hid3 | ;-) |
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| 12:39.44 | TuGa | bolt-work, stew nane of script in if-pre-up.d iptables and this is the content http://pastebin.com/bbCfNgbA |
| 12:40.36 | stew | TuGa: and it is chmod +x? |
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| 12:41.04 | TuGa | yes |
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| 12:41.31 | rethus | should i use backports for a stable server ? |
| 12:41.53 | rethus | ask cause i'd like to use sni on apache, but this is only up to 2.2.12 |
| 12:41.59 | rethus | and lenny only has 2.2.9 |
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| 12:42.29 | TuGa | stew, if i run the script manually it updates the tables no prob. |
| 12:42.37 | stew | hmm |
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| 12:45.42 | nirazio | I installed the postgresql-8.4 package with default options. Everything worked fine, however I can't seem to manage to create unicode databases..Can anyone help me? |
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| 12:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so any 10 people already asked when squeeze will release today? |
| 12:49.14 | sekon | CutMeOwnThroat: i did 10 times |
| 12:49.26 | kzar | Does anyone know when Squeeze is going to be released? |
| 12:49.28 | DustyDingo | what |
| 12:49.34 | DustyDingo | squeere releases today? |
| 12:49.42 | robokop | asked when released today???!!! |
| 12:49.54 | DustyDingo | today? when? |
| 12:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | asked today... |
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| 12:50.18 | robokop | oww, shame |
| 12:50.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sekon, oh, ok... I thought I might jump in if it hasn't been asked already sufficiently annoying frequency |
| 12:50.43 | DustyDingo | ;) |
| 12:51.03 | babilen | http://blog.schmehl.info/ â get to work! |
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| 12:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | weren't you there? I looked through the stuff yesterday... even for the few bugs left everyting seems well on the way |
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| 12:55.10 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: No, seems as if I missed that particular discussion due to awesomest supper thingie |
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| 13:04.29 | rethus | ddoes backports usable for stable-servers? |
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| 13:04.50 | babilen | yes |
| 13:05.14 | rethus | no problems, if i try to do a distribution-upgrade later? |
| 13:05.54 | nirazio | I did echo 8192 > /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size to improve my RAID performance, and it did helped alot. But I still can't figure out how to make it permanent. |
| 13:06.09 | rethus | on ubuntu i have 1 week before big problems, cause i had kde out of backports, and dist-upgrade didn't work, cause backports-version was newer than the stabel-version of the new distribution |
| 13:06.25 | rethus | so i ask before i add backports to my server-repos. |
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| 13:08.19 | omry | any idea where I can get a amd64 kernel deb >= 2.6.33 for squeeze? |
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| 13:09.53 | daemonkeeper | I think until $squeeze_release there won't enter a new kernel, neither experimental. |
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| 13:11.30 | macrobat | omry: you can compile one from kernel.org |
| 13:12.07 | daemonkeeper | But using the Debian way please |
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| 13:12.45 | abrotman | omry: experimental |
| 13:13.04 | daemonkeeper | Experimental has a newer kernel? |
| 13:13.21 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 13:13.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | yes, and it's uh .. experimental .. have fun |
| 13:13.48 | daemonkeeper | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all <- Why doesn't it appear then there? |
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| 13:15.55 | macrobat | daemonkeeper: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:16.26 | daemonkeeper | Ah, no meta-package for experimental? |
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| 13:16.40 | abrotman | should there be? |
| 13:16.58 | babilen | omry: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage + 2.6.36 from experimental. But note: *experimental* -- Why do you need it? |
| 13:17.19 | daemonkeeper | Guess so, unless you want to track the repository manually to find out the newest available kernel (for experimental, I admit) |
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| 13:18.00 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: that package will be the newest .. |
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| 13:19.26 | daemonkeeper | Sure, but once again, how do you want to find it, since the package name is version dependend. Just searching "linux-image" forces the p.d.o to surpress some results. |
| 13:19.34 | daemonkeeper | -the |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | it does? |
| 13:19.54 | daemonkeeper | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 13:20.14 | abrotman | oh, because it stops at 100 |
| 13:20.17 | daemonkeeper | Yeah |
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| 13:20.41 | abrotman | well, i guess if you're smart enough to find it, then you can use it |
| 13:20.53 | abrotman | knows how to find it ... |
| 13:20.55 | daemonkeeper | I haven't asked for that image ;) |
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| 13:23.32 | frikinz | isn't the virtual package linux-image-2.6 ? |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | not for experimetnal |
| 13:23.52 | daemonkeeper | Hence the discussion |
| 13:23.54 | frikinz | that's what my aptitude shows under v linux-image-2.6 |
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| 13:24.19 | frikinz | er linux-image |
| 13:26.07 | frikinz | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image |
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| 13:28.26 | abrotman | frikinz: virtual package is not the same as metapackage |
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| 13:33.20 | hogren | hello |
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| 13:36.45 | dclarke | Not sure if this is a bug, however while compiling vlc I see this "configure: WARNING: libva is present but libavcodec/vaapi.h is missing" and note that a search for that file reveals it does not exist in any package. I'm using squeeze btw |
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| 13:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | libavcodec-dev: /usr/include/libavcodec/vaapi.h? |
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| 13:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but that's in dmm |
| 13:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly |
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| 13:46.26 | pikaro | hi! i've got a strange problem with kernel 2.6.37 in aptosid (dist-upgraded two days ago). on boot, udev complains a lot it isn't able to get permission to modprobe, which is mode 0755, as is insmod. the modules in /lib/modules are all mode 0644, and modprobe config in /etc is readable as well. with 2.6.32, none of this happens, booting is perfectly fine. what's the issue here? |
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| 13:49.12 | pikaro | ah, #aptosid was able to help after quite some silence |
| 13:49.18 | pikaro | so, never mind ;) |
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| 13:50.54 | qwd | eh, /quit |
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| 13:57.01 | hogren | Can I launch a question for all ? |
| 13:57.24 | dclarke | hogren: you just did |
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| 13:57.50 | hogren | What is, for you, the most good look, gnome theme |
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| 14:01.54 | magopian | hello there |
| 14:01.56 | jelly | !aptosid |
| 14:01.56 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:02.25 | jelly | weird name for a distro |
| 14:02.26 | magopian | i'd like to install the msttcorefonts on a debian 5.0.3, but alas, i can't find it in the apt tree (apt-cache search corefonts return nothing) |
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| 14:02.53 | jelly | !tell magopian about contrib |
| 14:02.56 | jelly | !tell magopian about msttcorefonts |
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| 14:03.26 | magopian | jelly, oh, thanks, so i should add a source in the sources.list file? |
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| 14:03.49 | magopian | nice |
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| 14:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what fonts should one actually use in SVGs so that they work most universally? |
| 14:07.38 | mazigar_ | hi guys, noob here, I have got constant harddisk activity on my system but I only have a couple of apps open, firefox and xchat, anything I can do to check what's hogging my disk? |
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| 14:08.08 | magopian | brilliant jelly ! works like a charm, thanks a lot! |
| 14:08.30 | feder87 | hi everyone I'm having some trouble installing debian on my EEE 1005ha. I'm doing the netinst from a flash drive and after downloading everything and installing most of it I get an error from GRUB telling me it can't execute grub-install /dev/sda |
| 14:08.45 | xk | mazigar_: fspy |
| 14:08.54 | feder87 | I tried installing it 4 times already and I don't know what's up with this |
| 14:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mazigar_, iotop |
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| 14:10.09 | feder87 | anyone? Ideas on how to fixç this? |
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| 14:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... give us more of the error message |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 14:11.26 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:11.32 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:11.40 | abrotman | put your hand down |
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| 14:12.30 | feder87 | CutMeOwnThroat, it's actually in spanish, and that's as much as it says |
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| 14:13.02 | mazigar_ | iotop shows this on top "grep -iH --color=auto -n /home/mazigar/.xsession-errors |
| 14:13.02 | mazigar_ | " |
| 14:13.03 | frol | hi |
| 14:13.09 | mazigar_ | i am not grepping anything |
| 14:13.16 | frol | i have something really weird with my debian |
| 14:13.24 | frol | every time a copy files |
| 14:13.36 | frol | the speed decrease with time |
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| 14:13.42 | mazigar_ | it's around 10mb/s |
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| 14:14.00 | frol | does anyamone alredy heard something like that |
| 14:14.21 | abrotman | frol: how large are the files? |
| 14:14.25 | dkr | mazigar_: look to see what its parent proc is? |
| 14:14.56 | frol | abrotman: yeah but it also happend with a lot of small file (with i small file i haven't time to see) |
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| 14:15.15 | mazigar_ | drk: How do i find the parent proc? |
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| 14:15.41 | frol | abrotman: i try here the copy of a 47go file and it begins with something like 37 MB/s and it is now at 10 |
| 14:15.53 | dkr | mazigar_: pstree is probably the easiest. also odd that that grep command has no pattern to search for |
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| 14:18.07 | mazigar_ | pstree says -search---find---grep |
| 14:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | mazigar_, or ps -ef |grep grep - 3rd number is the PPID |
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| 14:18.44 | hogren | !option |
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| 14:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mazigar_, look for the options of the find with ps... and no idea what "search" is supposed to be |
| 14:20.04 | mazigar_ | tried pskill on both the grep pid and it's parents... no luck |
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| 14:20.08 | mazigar_ | pkill i mean |
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| 14:23.22 | mazigar_ | oh great, it gnome find thing running for some reason, killed it from system monitor. Thanks |
| 14:23.39 | hogren | What is, for you, the most good look, gnome theme ?? sorry it's the second time but nobody answers before. I don't try again, after. I promise |
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| 14:24.19 | dkr | hogren: that is a very subjective question that you really should answer yourself. |
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| 14:28.00 | magopian | is there a way to know if i'm running a debian 64 or a "simlpe" debian 32? |
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| 14:28.19 | SuperAlekZ | hey how can i see what percentage of my bandwidth is currently being used? |
| 14:28.20 | magopian | Linux radsql1 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux <========= amd64 means it's a 64 architecture? |
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| 14:28.23 | SuperAlekZ | "top" shows the CPU % etc |
| 14:28.31 | xk | magopian: uname -m |
| 14:28.37 | SuperAlekZ | but i need % of my 1000 mbit/s |
| 14:28.44 | xk | magopian: yes. |
| 14:28.47 | magopian | xk, x86_64 <=== thanks a lot ;) |
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| 14:29.02 | magopian | awesome |
| 14:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | magopian, means you're running a 64-bit kernel, so yes... the system might still have 32-bit userspace |
| 14:29.37 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, what does that mean? i'm trying to figure if i should download OOO .deb files for 32 or 64 |
| 14:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | OOO? |
| 14:29.54 | SuperAlekZ | xk: any clue about my question :o |
| 14:30.08 | xk | superjet_busy: iptraf |
| 14:30.09 | dkr | SuperAlekZ: iptraf |
| 14:30.11 | xk | superalekz rather |
| 14:30.23 | SuperAlekZ | hm i installed that |
| 14:30.31 | xk | not sure how to use it? |
| 14:30.36 | SuperAlekZ | correct ;) |
| 14:30.38 | xk | ok |
| 14:30.48 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, OpenOffice.Org |
| 14:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | magopian, why don't you let apt do everything for you, as intended? |
| 14:31.21 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, coz i need the version 3 of ooo, not the 2.4 included in the lenny apt tree |
| 14:31.50 | xk | SuperAlekZ: configure -> timers -> update interval -> 1. exit config. detailed interface stats -> (the interface you want to monitor) -> enter. |
| 14:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openoffice.org |
| 14:31.52 | judd | Package openoffice.org on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-11; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11 |
| 14:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell magopian -about backports |
| 14:32.16 | magopian | what is lenny-backports? |
| 14:32.18 | magopian | oh |
| 14:32.24 | magopian | you were too fast for me on that one ;) |
| 14:32.47 | SuperAlekZ | xk: rather logging interval? |
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| 14:33.13 | xk | SuperAlekZ: update interval. |
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| 14:33.23 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks a lot, i'll check into that (i believe i already have some "volatile" lines in my sources.list, could it be i already have backports?) |
| 14:33.29 | xk | unless you like it updating the screen 10+ times a second |
| 14:33.51 | stew | magopian: volatile is similar but distinct from backports |
| 14:34.22 | SuperAlekZ | xk: http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/1/909312416-orig.jpg |
| 14:35.13 | xk | ok, looks like its been renamed in newer debian, or I have an old binary installed. |
| 14:35.17 | xk | so screen update interval |
| 14:35.32 | magopian | stew, CutMeOwnThroat : awesome, i can just apt-get install -t lenny-backports openoffice.org and be done! |
| 14:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... and this was a nice example, why you should ask the <real question> :-P |
| 14:36.13 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, sorry about that ;) |
| 14:36.19 | SuperAlekZ | ah ok :) and what's lo and what is eth0 ? :S |
| 14:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (instead of something along the way of where you looked for the solution) |
| 14:36.34 | magopian | i thought i wasn't going to bother you with the whole image, but then, that's what i did, eventually ... |
| 14:36.56 | xk | SuperAlekZ: lo == local, eth0 == first ethernet interface. |
| 14:37.05 | xk | er, loopback rather. |
| 14:37.11 | SuperAlekZ | so i guess it's eth0? :p |
| 14:37.14 | xk | ya |
| 14:37.20 | SuperAlekZ | thanks :) |
| 14:37.53 | SuperAlekZ | incoming: 912.3 kbits/sec |
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| 14:38.19 | SuperAlekZ | could this be possible when i have 4 gameservers for sourceengine, two websites and 4 databases and 3 teamspeak-server? oO |
| 14:38.23 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, i installed (from source, and compiled) python2.7 lately, that's a shame, maybe i could have used backports too :( |
| 14:38.24 | SuperAlekZ | *servers |
| 14:38.31 | magopian | judd, versions python |
| 14:38.33 | judd | Package python on i386 -- etch: 2.4.4-2; lenny: 2.5.2-3; sid: 2.6.6-3+squeeze4; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze4; experimental: 2.6.6-9 |
| 14:38.44 | magopian | oh, no backports, well ;) |
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| 14:39.08 | xk | SuperAlekZ: hmm... if it's running a gameserver and some active websites, yeah. |
| 14:39.26 | xk | so approx 100 KB/sec. |
| 14:39.35 | SuperAlekZ | but 912.3 kbits/sec isn't this like.. 1% of 1000 mbit/s? :o |
| 14:39.45 | SuperAlekZ | oh it's 0.1 % :O |
| 14:39.55 | xk | yeah |
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| 14:40.21 | SuperAlekZ | nice 8-) |
| 14:40.25 | SuperAlekZ | space for servers lol |
| 14:40.32 | abrotman | frol: sorry .. caches? buffers? |
| 14:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | magopian, no, 2.7 is only in experimental as "python2.7" |
| 14:40.49 | magopian | oh ok |
| 14:40.53 | abrotman | frol: actually .. i have this strange feeling it's a known issue? |
| 14:41.38 | abrotman | frol: also use top to look at your IOWAIT % |
| 14:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh no, abrotman feels it in his water |
| 14:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and who'd want to argue with his water :-P |
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| 14:42.26 | magopian | what should i do if aptitude tells me a package is BROKEN ? should i reinstall? |
| 14:42.38 | magopian | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 14:42.38 | magopian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.43 | babilen | magopian: I would advise you to compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local -- You might want to use "stow" (/msg dpkg stow) to manage that installation. You should also delete "/usr/local/bin/python" (but keep /usr/local/bin/python2.7 in place) in order to make sure that "python" still runs the system's Python. You should also make sure that you install all compile prerequisites for Python. |
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| 14:43.11 | stew | magopian: "aptitude -f install" the f for "fix" |
| 14:43.18 | magopian | thanks |
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| 14:43.37 | babilen | stew: hehe |
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| 14:54.21 | magopian | ok, now openoffice 3 won't run, because (i believe) it can't find a proper java install (which i had) |
| 14:54.34 | magopian | i guess the install of the ooo3 from backports borked something |
| 14:54.53 | magopian | and now,if i do a dpkg -l openoffice.org-java it has a status of "un" (so not installed) |
| 14:55.14 | magopian | but if i try a "aptitude install -t lenny-backports openoffice.org-java" it tells me there's nothing to install |
| 14:55.26 | magopian | same thing if i try to install without the -t lenny-backports |
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| 14:55.56 | stew | magopian: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-java" in a pastebin |
| 14:56.22 | stew | judd: versions openoffice.org-java |
| 14:56.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openoffice.org-java' was found in i386. |
| 14:56.43 | stew | magopian: i think you have the wrong package name, where did you get this package name: "openoffice.org-java" |
| 14:56.48 | magopian | stew, http://friendpaste.com/5YrZ7FKUHKdaOHIOQS8fbu |
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| 14:57.03 | xk | magopian: i've noticed -t doesn't work... try PKGNAME/lenny-backports |
| 14:57.16 | stew | it works, but there just isn't such a package |
| 14:57.20 | xk | or maybe it does work with aptitude but not apt-get ;) |
| 14:57.22 | magopian | stew, from aptitude search openoffice.org-java |
| 14:57.30 | magopian | oh, it's a virtual |
| 14:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openoffice.org-java-common |
| 14:57.43 | judd | Package openoffice.org-java-common on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-11~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-11; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11 |
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| 14:58.10 | stew | magopian: then "aptitude search '~Popenoffice.org-java'" will find packages implementing it |
| 14:58.14 | magopian | ok, so openoffice.org.java-common is indeed already installed |
| 14:58.18 | stew | (and openoffice.org-java-common isn't it) |
| 14:58.24 | magopian | oh? |
| 14:58.35 | stew | magopian: what does "aptitude search '~Popenoffice.org-java'" return? |
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| 14:58.48 | stew | and why are we focusing on openoffice.org-java? |
| 14:58.49 | magopian | openoffice.org-core |
| 14:58.58 | magopian | because it's telling me java isn't found |
| 14:59.09 | stew | magopian: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 14:59.28 | magopian | /usr/bin/gij-4.3 |
| 14:59.46 | stew | magopian: yeah, you want a real java. i'd recommend "aptitude install openjdk-6-jre" |
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| 15:00.08 | stew | magopian: and if that is already installed, using "update-java-alternatives" to set it as default |
| 15:00.08 | magopian | when i try launching soffice or openoffice.org, it tells me "please ensure that a JVM and the package openoffice.org-java-common is installed" |
| 15:00.29 | magopian | thanks a lot, i'll try that straight away |
| 15:00.42 | magopian | you are very helpful i must say, thanks a lot for helping me out like that |
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| 15:00.45 | magopian | very much appreciated |
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| 15:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | magopian, well, turned out even "simply doing aptitude install openoffice.org -t backports" ain't so easy :-P |
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| 15:13.30 | skutr3 | hello |
| 15:13.39 | em | hello |
| 15:13.42 | skutr3 | i need help installing debian |
| 15:13.54 | magopian | CutMeOwnThroat, not that easy, but it seems i'm all sorted now! |
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| 15:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | good on yer, then |
| 15:14.24 | skutr3 | everytim i try to boot the disc it says "failed to boot disc press any key to retry" |
| 15:14.32 | magopian | yeah, that's brilliant |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | skutr3: what kind of computer? and which ISO ? |
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| 15:14.39 | magopian | i wasn't going to make it on my own :( |
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| 15:15.05 | hogren | skutr3 >> had you take a checksum ? |
| 15:15.23 | babilen | magopian: Good that there are a plethora of people willing to help here then :) |
| 15:15.31 | magopian | babilen, yeah! |
| 15:15.32 | skutr3 | abrotman: Gateway laptop AMD visision dual core so i downloaded amd64 |
| 15:15.44 | skutr3 | hogren: i dont know what that is.... |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | are you sure it's amd64? |
| 15:16.00 | abrotman | how old is it? |
| 15:16.02 | skutr3 | abrotman: the file? |
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| 15:16.06 | abrotman | the laptop :) |
| 15:16.13 | hogren | skutr3 Checksum is, in shot, a sum of bit |
| 15:16.39 | skutr3 | abrotman: yeah im running windows 7 64-bit its AMD Vision dual core |
| 15:16.42 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:16.44 | babilen | skutr3: Does the CD boot *at all* which results in an error, or are you able to boot it, but you get an error during the boot process? |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | skutr3: did you burn the ISO as an image or as data ? |
| 15:17.10 | hogren | In the mirror site, there is a file "Debian.........checksum" |
| 15:17.14 | skutr3 | abrotman: disc |
| 15:17.18 | hogren | or anything like this |
| 15:17.45 | skutr3 | babilen: the disc boots i hit install and it fails to install |
| 15:17.57 | skutr3 | hogren: ok... |
| 15:18.08 | hogren | you must check by a program the checksum of your iso image is the same by the file .checksum |
| 15:18.31 | skutr3 | abrotman: are there multiple discs |
| 15:18.47 | skutr3 | hogren: why? |
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| 15:19.13 | hogren | because it is possible there is a error in the iso image |
| 15:19.36 | skutr3 | hogren: ok can you give me a link to the file? |
| 15:20.10 | hogren | skutr3 what is the name (exactly) of your iso? |
| 15:21.06 | skutr3 | hogren: debian-507-amd64-CD-1 |
| 15:21.39 | skutr3 | hogren: thank god for copy and paste |
| 15:21.46 | hogren | ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-dvd/MD5SUMS |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | skutr3: if you look at the CD in Windows .. do you see a single file or lots of files? |
| 15:21.54 | skutr3 | hogren: not that that was alot to type |
| 15:22.18 | hogren | ??? |
| 15:22.19 | skutr3 | hogren: hold on |
| 15:22.24 | hogren | I dont understant |
| 15:22.27 | hogren | d |
| 15:22.44 | skutr3 | hogren: lots of file |
| 15:22.52 | skutr3 | hogren: files* |
| 15:23.01 | hogren | yes ^^ |
| 15:23.19 | skutr3 | hogren: huh? |
| 15:23.38 | hogren | sorry i dont understand very well, i am french |
| 15:23.57 | hogren | sorry but i go home |
| 15:23.58 | skutr3 | hogren: there alre lots of files so that means that it burned right... |
| 15:24.02 | hogren | bye everybody |
| 15:24.04 | magopian | hogren, il te demande si quand tu regarde le contenu du CD, il y a un seul fichier ou plein |
| 15:24.15 | skutr3 | hogren: cmon |
| 15:24.30 | skutr3 | hogren: you were helping me? |
| 15:25.07 | hogren | sorry |
| 15:25.14 | hogren | it-s the time for me |
| 15:25.22 | skutr3 | abrotman: are you still there? |
| 15:25.25 | hogren | i return in my home |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | yes? |
| 15:25.32 | hogren | bye bye |
| 15:25.54 | abrotman | skutr3: you see lots of files, not just one? |
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| 15:26.17 | skutr3 | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:28.11 | skutr3 | abrotman: i know it burned correctly because i am able to boot at pc startup and get to install menu and when i hit install i get "failed to boot disc press any key to retry" |
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| 15:30.16 | skutr3 | abrotman: could i have downloaded the wrong version for my pc |
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| 15:33.21 | skutr3 | abrotman? |
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| 15:37.31 | djszapi | Is there any way just to get back the package name for a binary file ? dpkg -S $(which phonet) |
| 15:37.34 | djszapi | phonet-utils: /sbin/phonet |
| 15:37.43 | djszapi | just 'phonet-utils' in this case with dpkg ? |
| 15:37.52 | XTF | Hi. What is the procedure for getting an important fix into stable? |
| 15:38.07 | djszapi | ask developers ? |
| 15:38.12 | petemc | djszapi: thats what dpkg -S does , so yes |
| 15:38.26 | djszapi | petemc: your mean ? |
| 15:38.32 | skutr3 | can someone help me install debian please? |
| 15:38.33 | XTF | djszapi: I am one of them |
| 15:38.40 | petemc | djszapi: you answered your own question |
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| 15:39.18 | djszapi | petemc: you did not understand the question: I would like to get "phonet-utils", not "phonet-utils: /sbin/phonet", in essense as such just the package name. |
| 15:39.25 | XTF | petemc: Don't be so silly |
| 15:39.32 | petemc | wtf |
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| 15:39.51 | MJD | djszapi: dpkg -S $(which filename) | cut -f1 -d: |
| 15:39.55 | MJD | does that help? |
| 15:40.13 | djszapi | y, ty. |
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| 15:41.15 | djszapi | dpkg -s `dpkg -S $(which phonet) | cut -f1 -d:` -> how to get the maintainer line ? :P |
| 15:41.15 | dpkg | Badgers ate my `dpkg -S $(which phonet) | cut -f1 -d:` -> how to get the maintainer line ? :P! |
| 15:41.27 | djszapi | or is there an information filter directly like in case archlinux, pacman ? |
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| 15:43.40 | MJD | dpkg -s package|grep Maintainer|sed s/Maintainer:\ // |
| 15:43.40 | dpkg | You Fool! package|grep Maintainer|sed s/Maintainer:\ // is installed! |
| 15:43.58 | MJD | djszapi: ^ That will extract the Maintainer line. |
| 15:44.30 | djszapi | ty |
| 15:45.17 | bolt-work | dpkg -s horse |
| 15:45.17 | dpkg | There is no record of a horse package |
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| 15:46.21 | bolt-work | :( |
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| 15:53.09 | Wyn | heya, anybody have an accurate sources.list for Debian Etch ? |
| 15:53.23 | dvs | !etch |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 15:56.22 | Wyn | !etch sources.list |
| 15:56.22 | dpkg | i guess etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 16:00.32 | Wyn | excellent, thanks ! |
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| 16:02.02 | ssvf | hi |
| 16:02.14 | ssvf | when i need to change the boot order to boot the cd |
| 16:02.34 | ssvf | do i have to change the boot priority to CD/DVD? |
| 16:02.36 | ssvf | in the bips |
| 16:02.38 | ssvf | bios |
| 16:03.38 | ssvf | nvm i tihnk i go tit |
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| 16:05.58 | ssvf | ok i have an issue |
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| 16:06.14 | ssvf | the cd just wont boot |
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| 16:06.58 | ssvf | i have the netinstall.iso on a cd and i changed the bootup processto boot from the cdrom, just wont pikc it up |
| 16:07.16 | ssvf | is there something else i need to change? |
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| 16:08.11 | eptalon | heyas |
| 16:08.20 | ssvf | is thee somethig i need to change in the BIOS to boot to cdrom? |
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| 16:08.24 | ssvf | there* |
| 16:08.54 | eptalon | I am running kernel 2.6.36 trunk (amd64), and need the headers for that kernel, but apt-cache does not find them? |
| 16:09.08 | ssvf | any ideas |
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| 16:09.15 | eptalon | ssvf: in bios you can set the boot order. |
| 16:09.29 | eptalon | ssvf: is it an external cdrom? |
| 16:09.31 | ssvf | eptalon: where though |
| 16:09.36 | lapfrog | ssvf, maybe you need to bring up a menu, try F9 |
| 16:09.37 | ssvf | no its internal |
| 16:09.49 | ssvf | i brougt up the menu boot menu f10 |
| 16:09.52 | eptalon | ssvf: in mine it's called "Boot device priority" |
| 16:09.58 | lapfrog | depends on your bios setup utility |
| 16:10.01 | ssvf | and selected the cdrom/dvd |
| 16:10.09 | ssvf | but it keeps booting to damn fedora |
| 16:10.28 | ssvf | is there sometihng i need to change in the BIOS? |
| 16:10.35 | ssvf | yeah |
| 16:10.43 | ssvf | i was in the boot device priority |
| 16:10.50 | ssvf | what do you select from there? |
| 16:10.58 | ssvf | it doesnt highlight or anything |
| 16:11.01 | eptalon | ssvf: most comps I have seen boot from cd, then try the harddrive |
| 16:11.34 | stew | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.37-trunk-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 16:11.37 | judd | Package linux-headers-2.6.37-trunk-amd64 on amd64 -- experimental: 2.6.37-1~experimental.1 |
| 16:11.49 | stew | eptalon: i'd expect them to be there but uninstallable due to a missing kbuild package |
| 16:11.52 | eptalon | ssvf: It lists the devices in the order it will try them; if CD-rom is before the harddisk, then it will boot from the cd. |
| 16:12.03 | ssvf | fucking shit |
| 16:12.14 | stew | eptalon: see: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage about how to make a kbuild package |
| 16:12.15 | eptalon | stew: thats currently the case in 2.6.37 |
| 16:12.16 | karlpinc | eptalon: AFAIK booting first from cd stopped being the default bios configuation as soon as live linux cds came out. |
| 16:12.19 | ssvf | under device pripority i clicked cd rom twice |
| 16:12.22 | ssvf | and it keeps booting to fedora |
| 16:12.47 | ssvf | eptalon: cdrom is on top of the list |
| 16:13.02 | eptalon | ssvf: the cd you want to boot from is ok? |
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| 16:13.33 | ssvf | f10 let me get into the boot option menu |
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| 16:13.56 | ssvf | i selected the cdrom DVD RW |
| 16:14.01 | ssvf | still keeps booting to fedora |
| 16:14.08 | ssvf | eptalon: yeah its a new cd |
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| 16:14.20 | ssvf | i copied the netinstall.iso to it and thats pretty much it |
| 16:15.05 | ksk | erm |
| 16:15.06 | eptalon | ssvf: the iso image is a "binary" image; a CD with the netinst.iso file won't boot. |
| 16:15.15 | ksk | coping netinstall.iso on it is not the solution.. |
| 16:15.20 | ssvf | what am i supposed to do then |
| 16:15.39 | ksk | use $program to burn the .iso on the disk |
| 16:16.04 | ksk | dunno which, but there should be a bunch of it |
| 16:16.11 | ssvf | burning as in writing it to the disk? |
| 16:16.26 | eptalon | ssvf: you currently running fedora? |
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| 16:16.44 | ssvf | yeah |
| 16:17.00 | eptalon | ssvf: there should be a program called "k3b"... |
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| 16:17.36 | ssvf | thee's a few programs |
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| 16:17.42 | ssvf | but i tought burning meant writing it to the disk |
| 16:17.51 | ssvf | windows has a default option to do that |
| 16:18.43 | eptalon | ssvf: Burning an iso image does not result in a cd with a file A.iso... |
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| 16:20.06 | eptalon | ssvf: in K3b: tools (4th menu from the left), "burn image" |
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| 16:20.27 | stew | or just "wodim foo.iso" |
| 16:20.39 | eptalon | alternarively: "More actions", "burn image" |
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| 16:35.53 | ssvf | ok done |
| 16:35.55 | ssvf | burned |
| 16:35.55 | ssvf | :D |
| 16:36.00 | ssvf | yeah gees im such a noob |
| 16:36.02 | ssvf | works now |
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| 16:46.59 | ssvf | shit isnt booting |
| 16:47.07 | ssvf | i burned the iso |
| 16:47.19 | stew | ssvf: which iso did you burn? |
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| 16:47.26 | stew | ssvf: what was the name of the file? |
| 16:47.26 | ssvf | netinst.iso |
| 16:47.40 | stew | ssvf: did you get it from debian? |
| 16:47.45 | ssvf | yeah |
| 16:47.46 | stew | ssvf: but you renamed it? |
| 16:48.05 | ssvf | nope |
| 16:48.05 | stew | ssvf: then you didn't get it from debian |
| 16:48.14 | ssvf | on the laptop i burned it from, when you load the cd, it popups the language preference even meaning it was burned right |
| 16:48.21 | ssvf | i got it from the debian mirrors |
| 16:48.41 | stew | ssvf: then you must have renamed it, it would have had a version and an arch in the name |
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| 16:49.11 | ssvf | i didnt rename it |
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| 16:49.25 | stew | someone did |
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| 16:50.40 | stew | the ones on the debian mirrors would be named somehting like debian-507-i386-netinst.iso or debian-squeeze-di-beta2-amd64-netinst.iso or something |
| 16:51.01 | stew | ssvf: what version of debian did you download and for which arch |
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| 16:51.58 | ssvf | after burning it |
| 16:52.06 | ssvf | its called debian 5.0.7.i386? |
| 16:52.14 | stew | is that a question? |
| 16:52.16 | ssvf | something along those lines |
| 16:52.34 | ssvf | i checked it and it has all the installation files and everything |
| 16:52.42 | ssvf | but its just not booting on the machine i want it to boot from |
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| 16:53.07 | ssvf | inspite of selecting to boot from cdrom/dvd |
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| 16:53.23 | ssvf | unless thee's something else i need to change here that fedora is not letting me do |
| 16:54.09 | deepa | I've got to know that ext3 + my ssd disk = problems |
| 16:54.23 | deepa | What fs should I pick? |
| 16:54.54 | jhutchins_lt | deepa: ext3 |
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| 16:55.11 | ssvf | any hints |
| 16:55.19 | deepa | jhutchins_lt: let me put it this way |
| 16:55.24 | ax-ax | does ext4 mean problems also |
| 16:55.26 | deepa | I once upon a time had a 166MHz PC |
| 16:55.33 | deepa | There's equal performance on this one and that one |
| 16:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | ext3 does not mean problems |
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| 16:56.11 | deepa | Fine, you help me figure out why this PC is incredibly slow |
| 16:56.22 | deepa | I previously ran FreeBSD on it and everything was instant |
| 16:56.26 | stew | deepa: show us the output of "vmstat 1 10" when it is slow |
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| 16:56.34 | deepa | stew: it's always slow |
| 16:56.43 | stew | deepa: slow doing what? |
| 16:56.53 | ssvf | so stew any hints? |
| 16:57.01 | stew | ssvf: do you know what version and what arch you downloaded? |
| 16:57.02 | deepa | Anything, alt+tabbing to another window |
| 16:57.09 | deepa | Writing in irssi, changing window in irssi |
| 16:57.10 | ssvf | stew: i386 |
| 16:57.12 | stew | ssvf: did you download an i386 image? ia64? amd64? |
| 16:57.19 | ssvf | i386 img |
| 16:57.22 | deepa | I pressed enter there and irssi paused for a split second |
| 16:57.41 | zvrk | ssvf, did you make boot-able dvd/cd on bios of your laptop on first place |
| 16:57.43 | stew | deepa: can you show us the ouptput of vmstat? |
| 16:57.53 | deepa | http://pastebin.com/HqaQQT3Y |
| 16:58.01 | stew | ssvf: can you boot any cd? |
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| 16:58.45 | stew | deepa: well it doesn't appear to be slow because of the filesystem |
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| 16:58.59 | stew | (not that hitting enter in irssi should be a big io hit anyway) |
| 16:59.36 | deepa | Browsers like firefox and iceape are impossible to use |
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| 16:59.45 | ssvf | let me check |
| 16:59.52 | deepa | but now once again, split second delay before I hit enter and irssi acknowledge the entry |
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| 17:00.26 | Wyn | !lenny sources |
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| 17:00.42 | Wyn | !lenny sources.list |
| 17:00.42 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | deepa: What filesystem did you use with bsd? |
| 17:01.01 | ssvf | woah weird |
| 17:01.09 | deepa | the default one |
| 17:01.17 | ssvf | stew: the cd/dvd isnt even reading any discs |
| 17:01.22 | ssvf | it says unable to mount location |
| 17:01.26 | ssvf | no media in the drive |
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| 17:01.54 | deepa | Also clarification, apparently it was just ext3 + sqlite + this SSD |
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| 17:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | ext3 is not likely a factor. |
| 17:02.14 | Trewas | deepa: a lot of cpu seems to be wasted on "system", maybe that's why everything seems slow |
| 17:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | deepa: What filesystem did you use with bsd? |
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| 17:02.30 | ssvf | looks like a bad cd drive |
| 17:02.47 | deepa | I'm gonna pick a guess and go for UFS then |
| 17:03.03 | stew | deepa: why do you thihnk this has anything to do with the filesystem? |
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| 17:03.28 | stew | deepa: if this machine were io bound, I'd expect to see i higher iowait % |
| 17:04.10 | zvrk | ssvf, try any original dvd cd |
| 17:04.20 | deepa | stew: I have not been able to find any other reason |
| 17:04.41 | deepa | and I've spent 4 days with #debian here, 2 days with #debian-eeepc and 2 days with #debian on OFTC |
| 17:04.59 | ssvf | zvrk: did already, not reading it |
| 17:05.05 | ssvf | says unable to find mount location |
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| 17:06.46 | zvrk | ssvf, inside fedora? |
| 17:07.03 | ssvf | yeah |
| 17:07.27 | zvrk | ssvf, did you try in win? |
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| 17:08.29 | ssvf | yeh |
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| 17:08.35 | deepa | stew: but if you would be able to help me solve this mystery then I will be realy happy |
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| 17:09.08 | zvrk | ssvf, same not reading? |
| 17:09.22 | ssvf | it reads everywhere else man |
| 17:09.26 | ssvf | just not on the desktop |
| 17:09.37 | ssvf | the desktop machine isnt reading anything from the cd/dvd drive |
| 17:10.57 | zvrk | ssvf, do you have spear dvd /cd drive ? |
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| 17:13.29 | zvrk | ssvf, desktop system are open build or corporate ? |
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| 17:14.27 | ssvf | i'll try to figure this out and get back to you |
| 17:14.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen when using gcalctool on lenny i get this 1000-10% = 999 It is obviously wron when i do the same calculation on gcalctool on sid i get the correct answer. Is it a config parameter or is it a bug? |
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| 17:17.01 | zvrk | ssvf, to make surethat your burn cd is ok try to boot you cd on laptop or any another sys |
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| 17:17.17 | Wyn | hey, on upgrading server from etch to lenny at the end i get update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 has been altered - update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option ? |
| 17:17.24 | Wyn | any advice |
| 17:17.26 | Wyn | apreciated |
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| 17:18.23 | melvin | Hello. i'm looking for a web gui to create preseed Files. is there such a project? |
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| 17:19.11 | dkr | melvin: what is a preseed file? oh, this has to do with torrents? |
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| 17:19.37 | dkr | or not. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:19.46 | zvrk | ssvf, one more tip when you burn cd /dvd try to burn with lowest speed |
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| 17:20.22 | abrotman | no, preseed is to automate the installation |
| 17:20.29 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 17:20.29 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 17:20.38 | melvin | dkr: a config files for automatic installtion of debian |
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| 17:21.46 | dkr | !fai |
| 17:21.47 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:37.23 | Ghebbo_Hck | Hi all =) |
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| 17:39.58 | Ghebbo_Hck | can i ask you a qestion? |
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| 17:42.32 | dpkg | from memory, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 17:42.54 | ThoMe | helloh! how i can send an mail from the console as utf8-encodet? |
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| 17:47.03 | tharkun | ThoMe: man mutt |
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| 17:49.00 | leoberns | whats is this is the error? /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qglobal.h: In function 'qint64 qRound64(qreal)': |
| 17:49.15 | leoberns | .. /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qglobal.h: In function 'qint64 qRound64(qreal)': |
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| 17:50.17 | babilen | leoberns: That is not an error. Please paste the whole thing to http://paste.debian.net -- Are you sure that this is a Debian related problem? |
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| 17:52.13 | babilen | leoberns: Educated guess: You might want to try #qt |
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| 17:52.22 | leoberns | babilen, the problem is related installed the google-gadgets.. |
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| 17:56.49 | babilen | leoberns: Which error? |
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| 17:58.13 | tharkun | leoberns: for someon to help you. Definetly you will have to paste the full output of the command and also the command you isued to your system. Else you will loose your time and also the time of the volunteer that might want to help your |
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| 17:58.34 | stew | leoberns: the problem appears to be with your locally installed copy of qt4 |
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| 17:59.31 | jair | rozie: hello my friend I am trying to configure the wifi on my debian 64bit following your blog |
| 18:00.14 | jair | rozie: what is the path for the wpasupplicant.conf file? |
| 18:00.39 | rozie | jair: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 18:00.47 | rozie | jair: which entry? |
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| 18:02.20 | jair | rozie: I installed wpasupplicant and I do not have any configuration on the /etc/metwork/interfaces yet (I thought I don't need it) |
| 18:02.46 | jair | rozie: I am opening the wpa_supplicant.conf file now |
| 18:03.02 | rozie | jair: which blog entry you're talkin about? |
| 18:03.30 | rozie | you need to configure both interfaces and wpa_supplicant |
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| 18:04.23 | jair | rozie: http://rozie.blox.pl/2009/07/WiFi-Intela-w-Linuksie-z-WPA-i-WPA2.html |
| 18:05.11 | jair | rozie: I don't have that file /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf I only have three other files |
| 18:05.48 | jair | rozie: I am running debian squeeze 64bit with 4965 AGN |
| 18:06.01 | jair | 4965 AGN adapter |
| 18:06.42 | rozie | I guess you need to create one |
| 18:06.56 | rozie | /usr/share/doc is good place to start |
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| 18:07.49 | jair | rozie: ohhh I read the /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:08.00 | babilen | jair: What kind of connection(s) do you use? Will they change? |
| 18:08.18 | jair | babilen: this is a wpa2 psk |
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| 18:08.43 | babilen | jair: And you will only connect to this single WLAN? |
| 18:08.45 | helo | yay, both of my debian boxes have been owned :D |
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| 18:08.53 | babilen | helo: "help disown" |
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| 18:09.27 | helo | stupid exim... |
| 18:09.27 | jair | babilen: yes |
| 18:09.41 | babilen | helo: And more seriously: Act now! Get them off the net immediately, create images of the disks and investigate what went wrong. |
| 18:09.55 | jair | babilen: wpa2-psk[AES] |
| 18:10.13 | helo | babilen: one is on slicehost, and it's already refreshed... the other is a four hour drive away, and is my dad's home NAT box (which i am requesting that he unplug and replace with a proper router) |
| 18:10.46 | helo | can't do much immediately though, but i can see exactly where the access is, and how it is sending spam... so it should be crippled for the moment |
| 18:11.28 | babilen | jair: In the light of this, I would recommend reading /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz and configuring "2. Mode #1: Managed Mode" |
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| 18:12.36 | babilen | helo: You seem to be quite certain that exim has been exploited, has there been a DSA for this? |
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| 18:13.10 | rozie | helo: I'd blame admin. First, who needs exim on router? second, there were updates... |
| 18:13.38 | helo | babilen: yep |
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| 18:14.02 | babilen | helo: And you installed the referenced packages, but exim could still be exploited? |
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| 18:15.19 | helo | rozie: no doubt. this machine used to be a full email/web/router, and google hosting has replaced everything but the router part. should have decommissioned this a long time ago... |
| 18:16.46 | helo | rozie: i prefer "why is exim installed by default?" |
| 18:17.26 | petemc | it doesnt listen on external interfaces by default |
| 18:17.28 | rozie | helo: it isn't |
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| 18:17.39 | rozie | and: use rcconf, Luke |
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| 18:18.27 | helo | no external interfaces? oh ok :) |
| 18:19.02 | catsup | exim used to be installed by default, if it isn't now |
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| 18:19.29 | helo | yes |
| 18:20.21 | stew | i would still expect exim4 to be installed after a default install, since it is recommended by cron |
| 18:20.37 | stew | Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent |
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| 18:22.41 | helo | i'm a little surprised that both of my completely unrelated debian installs were owned in the same way |
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| 18:24.31 | helo | i don't have time to be an admin any more, but it is kind of nice to have a remote system available |
| 18:25.07 | helo | maybe i'll crontab a daily safe-upgrade, and install only sshd on a high port |
| 18:25.40 | jair | babilen: I am on the document now, but there one thing I don't understand, I do not have a wpasupplicant.conf file do I need to create it? or I do the configuration on the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 18:28.45 | babilen | jair: No, you don't need to create it. That file is necessary if you run wpa-supplicant in roaming mode |
| 18:28.59 | cahoot | jair: there's a template in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/.. - you can cp and edit that |
| 18:29.27 | jair | cahoot: thank you I will check that right away |
| 18:29.38 | jair | babilen: thank you for the clarification =) |
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| 18:30.18 | babilen | jair: If you just connect to a single network, you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces as exemplified in wpa-supplicant's README.Debian.gz |
| 18:30.30 | llpj | what is the recommended way to install flash player on lenny? the current version seems to depend on a newer version of gtk than is available (cannot use full screen mode due to missing symbol gtk_widget_get_window) |
| 18:31.40 | babilen | llpj: Install flashplugin-nonfree from backports -- /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:32.11 | llpj | babilen, thanks, I'll try that |
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| 18:33.08 | jair | babilen: got it I see the example on the README.Debian.gz I will just run the command convert the ascii passphrase to hex |
| 18:33.23 | jair | babilen: that way is not in plain text on the computer |
| 18:33.28 | babilen | yes |
| 18:33.36 | jair | babilen: thank you I will give it a try now |
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| 18:35.17 | llpj | babilen, after adding the backports repo, I get: E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate - any idea what that means? |
| 18:35.35 | jordanm | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:35.37 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 18:35.57 | llpj | maybe it won't work because I'm on 64bit? |
| 18:36.11 | babilen | llpj: You followed http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ ? |
| 18:36.15 | llpj | babilen, yes |
| 18:36.46 | jordanm | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 18:36.49 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 18:37.21 | babilen | llpj: You probably did not add "contrib" after "main" in the backport "deb ..." line |
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| 18:38.28 | llpj | babilen, right, that was it, now i get a dependency error |
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| 18:38.39 | jelly-home | !flash amd64 |
| 18:38.39 | dpkg | Adobe Flash for amd64 is now available again as a preview release (as of 15/9/10). See http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html for details. |
| 18:38.48 | llpj | babilen, flashplugin-nonfree: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14) but 2.12.12-1~lenny2 is to be installed |
| 18:38.58 | llpj | how do i convince it to install 2.14 then? |
| 18:39.00 | tharkun | Gentlemen if /etc/debian_version changed from squeeze/sid to 6.0 Does that mean that the release of squeeze will be on this month? |
| 18:39.20 | jelly-home | tharkun: it's IMMINENT, fsvo imminent ;-) |
| 18:40.25 | babilen | ,versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:40.26 | judd | Package libgtk2.0-0 on i386 -- etch: 2.8.20-7; lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-2; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; experimental: 2.23.90-1 |
| 18:40.40 | jordanm | yay! they listened to my bug report |
| 18:40.51 | babilen | llpj: Should be available from backports as well. How did you try to install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 18:41.18 | llpj | babilen, I just tried 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree libgtk2.0-0' |
| 18:41.21 | tharkun | needs an excuse to upgrade 7 desktops to squeeze and his life will be less misserable |
| 18:41.31 | babilen | tharkun: It took roughly two ½ months the last time that happened and lenny was released on valentines day |
| 18:42.07 | babilen | llpj: Use "apt-get -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" or "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 18:42.52 | llpj | babilen, works! I thought I wouldn't need it because I also updated /etc/apt/preferencs |
| 18:43.02 | treebeen | !why aptitude |
| 18:43.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
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| 18:45.04 | babilen | llpj: You mean you adapted the apt preferences as suggested in the bdo instructions? If yes, that will only mean that once a package is upgraded aptitude/apt-get will install newer versions from backports. Note however that flashplugin-nonfree just downloads a file from adobe and installs that and there will *not* be a new package whenever the upstream version changes. You'll have to run "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" ... |
| 18:45.10 | babilen | ... repeatedly in order to upgrade it. |
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| 18:45.41 | babilen | or reinstall fwiw |
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| 18:46.18 | microtux | hi |
| 18:46.24 | llpj | babilen, yes that's what I did so I thought it would also pull libgtk from backports |
| 18:46.32 | jordanm | that is a problem. perhaps something I figure out how solve when I do the same as flashplugin for geoip data |
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| 18:47.14 | microtux | I've just installed Debian Lenny, and i have a problem with Xorg |
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| 18:47.35 | microtux | there no Xorg display, the monitor display "out of range" |
| 18:47.38 | microtux | any help ? |
| 18:47.47 | jordanm | microtux: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:47.58 | jordanm | microtux: what kind of card? |
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| 18:48.49 | microtux | jordanm, data sheet says : on board intel chip ? |
| 18:49.08 | karlpinc | microtux: find it in lspci -nn |
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| 18:50.45 | tylerl | does any current version of debian symlink /etc/motd to /var/run/motd? Or is that only ubuntu? |
| 18:51.22 | stew | tylerl: every current version of debian |
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| 18:51.49 | llpj | babilen, alas, it seems that my firefox is 32 bit so it is still picking the outdated 32 bit gtk :( |
| 18:52.13 | llpj | babilen, and ia32-libs-gtk apparently isn't available in a newer version from backports |
| 18:52.37 | llpj | 64bit hell |
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| 18:52.41 | tylerl | stew: why does dpkg -S /var/run/motd say "not found"? (This server is presumably lenny, but that's what I'm trying to figure out) |
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| 18:53.04 | stew | tylerl: becuase the package doens't provide the file, it provides scripts which generate the file |
| 18:53.27 | babilen | llpj: Which outdated 32bit gtk? You mean you don't have any other libflashplayer.so around, just /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so from Debian? |
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| 18:53.45 | babilen | llpj: Rather: Why outdated? |
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| 18:53.53 | tylerl | sry -- DC'ed |
| 18:54.20 | llpj | babilen, no I'm afraid that what debian installs is all 64bit, but I installed firefox myself so it was 32bit (and hence it's not using flash from debian either); now switching to debian's iceweasel |
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| 18:54.46 | babilen | llpj: Good choice. I wasn't aware of your manualy firefox install. |
| 18:54.56 | llpj | babilen, i installed firefox without debian package to get the current version. i wasn't aware of backports |
| 18:54.58 | babilen | s/manualy/manual |
| 18:55.04 | babilen | ok |
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| 18:55.52 | microtux | jordanm, karlpinc , http://debian.pastebin.com/qKUKLtxu |
| 18:55.54 | tylerl | Can someone help solve this mystery? /etc/debian_version says "squeeze/sid" but dpkg -l base-files says base-files version 5.8 is installed.... |
| 18:56.22 | microtux | jordanm, karlpinc , lspci -nn displays : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Auburndale/Havendale Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0042] (rev 12) |
| 18:56.23 | tylerl | I'm trying to figure out what might have caused that. |
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| 18:56.52 | llpj | babilen, it works fine now, I just need to get hold of 64bit jvm for the java plugin. thanks a lot! |
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| 18:57.48 | jair | babilen: alright I configured the "/etc/network/interfaces" file like this: http://paste.debian.net/104222/ |
| 18:58.10 | babilen | llpj: http://wiki.debian.org/Java -- I would recommend openjdk + icedtea, but you can also install SUN's java if you like |
| 18:58.28 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:0042 |
| 18:58.31 | judd | [8086:0042] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0042 |
| 18:58.39 | babilen | jair: yesâ½ |
| 18:58.50 | jair | babilen: when the machine restart spend a couple of minutes looking for the eth0 adapter which is not configured, I do ctrl+c and skip that but at the end connects without problems to the wifi =) |
| 18:58.50 | jordanm | microtux: upgrade to squeeze |
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| 18:59.06 | jair | babilen: this is working and I will make sure to give you credits in my blog posting |
| 18:59.07 | babilen | jair: You can just remove the "auto eth0" to stop that. |
| 18:59.23 | babilen | jair: Much appreciated. May you have a nice day :) |
| 18:59.32 | jair | babilen: I see what is I move it to the bottom? |
| 18:59.36 | microtux | jordanm, no way, i prefer letting it as last alternative |
| 18:59.38 | stew | tylerl: yes, "squeeze/sid" is what I'd expct for base-files 5.8 |
| 18:59.39 | jair | under the auto wlan0? |
| 18:59.40 | babilen | jair: Just comment it |
| 18:59.43 | jair | ohh ok |
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| 19:00.00 | stew | tylerl: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy base-files" ? (in a pastebin) |
| 19:00.07 | jordanm | microtux: well, you are at the last alternative. I would not consider using squeeze's xorg on lenny an option |
| 19:00.40 | jair | babilen: alright, thank you so much for your help this was very simple. So the only case I will need a wpa_supplicant.conf file is if I will be switching from one AP to another in my work area or home office? |
| 19:00.48 | tylerl | stew: http://pastebin.com/4NzKbKed |
| 19:01.03 | llpj | babilen, got it, thanks again. |
| 19:01.10 | tylerl | stew: i thought squeeze was 6.0, not 5.8 |
| 19:01.12 | babilen | jair: The system scripts that bring up the network use "ifup -a" which in turn tries brings up all interfaces for which an "auto INTERFACE" stanza is found in /etc/network/interfaces -- "man interfaces" for the gory details |
| 19:01.33 | jair | I see |
| 19:01.44 | karlpinc | microtux: You could use a newer kernel from backports .... If there's one new enough. But then again, that won't get you a new X driver. :( |
| 19:01.44 | babilen | and understand! w00t :) |
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| 19:01.52 | stew | tylerl: your sources are pointing at lenny not squeeze. you ahve an old version of squeeze's base-files |
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| 19:02.03 | stew | tylerl: you also don't have a security mirror, btw |
| 19:02.07 | jair | babilen: so i can just comment out that specific line and leave everything else untouch |
| 19:02.18 | stew | judd: versions base-files |
| 19:02.20 | judd | Package base-files on i386 -- etch: 4; etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 5lenny8; sid: 6.0; squeeze: 6.0 |
| 19:02.25 | babilen | jair: Exactly -- just comment the "auto eth0" line |
| 19:02.55 | stew | tylerl: if your lenny sources are pointing at 5lenny7, it seems you haven't updated recently |
| 19:03.03 | microtux | jordanm, karlpinc , i don't know what is the problem ? There is a driver missing or what ? |
| 19:03.04 | jair | babilen: cool, what about the comment I just sent? roaming and more than one AP then requires a wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 19:03.13 | tylerl | stew: not my server -- I'm just trying to figure out what version he has and how it got to be that way... |
| 19:03.18 | tharkun | Hadn't the lenny->squeeze factoid some reference to the bpo kernel to avoid some trouble? |
| 19:03.25 | jordanm | microtux: the driver is too old for your card |
| 19:03.44 | jordanm | microtux: support was added in newer version of xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:03.45 | babilen | jair: Yes, which is why I asked you about the way you are using your computer. You don't have to configure roaming mode if all you do is to connect to a single unchanging WLAN |
| 19:04.04 | jair | correct |
| 19:04.09 | jordanm | microtux: I am a big fan of running stable everywhere, but for something like that, I wouldn't bother |
| 19:04.14 | tylerl | stew: so where did it get an old version of base-files? Would that have to have been downloaded manually? (This server was provisioned as lenny). |
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| 19:04.34 | stew | tylerl: someone probably partially upgraded the server from stable to testing them removed the testing sources |
| 19:04.42 | stew | tylerl: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 19:04.42 | pbn | got a question: running Debian "squeeze", since the latest aptitude upgrade, I no longer get the splashscreen in GRUB.... any idea ? |
| 19:05.20 | karlpinc | microtux: I am unclear on how much an older X cares about what kernel driver is used. |
| 19:05.33 | jair | so if I go to another place and there is just one wlan I will create another passphrase with hex code and place it in the network/interfaces file, that way I will be able to connect to that other AP if uses wpa2/psk[AES] |
| 19:05.40 | babilen | pbn: I get the cute "spacefun" background. Have you configured splashy (or something like that) |
| 19:05.54 | karlpinc | microtux: The hardware is too new for the stock lenny kernel. |
| 19:06.05 | jair | babilen: so if I go to another place and there is just one wlan I will create another passphrase with hex code and place it in the network/interfaces file, that way I will be able to connect to that other AP if uses wpa2/psk[AES] |
| 19:06.07 | babilen | jair: Do you actually go to another place? |
| 19:06.16 | bolt | how can I "flush" a fifo made with mkfifo? say I put some stuff in it, but I want to just toss that and start over? do I have to make it again, or can I empty it somehow? |
| 19:06.22 | karlpinc | microtux: And may be too new for the stock lenny Xorg. (I'm unclear on this.) |
| 19:06.23 | cahoot | pbn: take a look into /etc/default/grub |
| 19:06.30 | karlpinc | microtux: You know about backports? |
| 19:06.33 | jair | babilen: sometimes I do, but they may have a different enc security like my GF house |
| 19:07.09 | microtux | karlpinc, yes, i know about that |
| 19:07.18 | jair | babilen: I am not sure if is wpa2 or wep, I will make sure she change it to wpa2 it will be at least harder to crack |
| 19:08.00 | microtux | jordanm, i'm using many proprietary tools (cross-compilers , etc), and i'm not sure that upgrade will not cause damages |
| 19:08.06 | tylerl | stew: libc6 version 2.11.2-2 --- that what you're looking for? |
| 19:08.09 | microtux | karlpinc, jordanm, i'm using many proprietary tools (cross-compilers , etc), and i'm not sure that upgrade will not cause damages |
| 19:08.13 | babilen | jair: gah! I would have recommended to configure roaming mode or using wicd then. I guess you know where to find the information. There is an example wpa-supplicant.conf in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf for that |
| 19:08.32 | microtux | karlpinc, jordanm i will try to upgrade, any way |
| 19:08.42 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 19:08.44 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny6; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny6; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7; squeeze: 2.11.2-7 |
| 19:08.55 | karlpinc | microtux: You could start with a newer kernel from backports and see if that fixes it. |
| 19:08.58 | stew | tylerl: ^ so yes, you were at some point partially upgraded to testing |
| 19:09.31 | babilen | jair: Also read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz -- But honestly: It is much easier to install wicd (from backports if you are using lenny) and use the gtk applet or ncurses interface. But using the roaming mode of wpa-supplicant has its beauty as well. Up to you |
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| 19:09.56 | microtux | karlpinc, ok, and i think i should also use xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports |
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| 19:10.42 | stew | tylerl: judging by those versions, it was sometime in july or august |
| 19:10.48 | tylerl | stew: Around January of 2010 sound like about the right time for those packages to be available? |
| 19:10.56 | babilen | jair: I used roaming mode for ages on my lappie, but switched to wicd and am quite happy with it. (I wouldn't recommend network-manager though) |
| 19:11.16 | stew | tylerl: it could have been unstable and not testing, but look at when base-files was at 5.8 in testing an unstable here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files.html |
| 19:11.31 | stew | tylerl: or libc6 at 2.11.2-2 here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eglibc.html |
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| 19:12.37 | stew | tylerl: you might see if you have /var/log/dpkg logs from them if you want to investigate further |
| 19:12.41 | pbn | cahoot: indeed, thank you |
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| 19:13.07 | tylerl | stew: thanks! |
| 19:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: wicd in it's current incarnation fails to see several chipsets. |
| 19:13.35 | Nephro | Hey guys... When scanning through some screenshots on the internet, I often see these cool terminals or other apps that have no decoration, not even a border. What do I google for to find out more about this? |
| 19:14.09 | ranix | Nephro: try googling "best tiling window manager" |
| 19:14.13 | ranix | or something similar |
| 19:14.19 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Uh oh! It might therefore not be a very good idea to recommend it. Thanks for the information. Does that apply to the version in Squeeze as well? |
| 19:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | Definitely. |
| 19:14.49 | babilen | ok |
| 19:15.21 | jhutchins_lt | Did not see my Atheros AR9285 when I installed a couple months ago. |
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| 19:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose the good thing is that it doesn't work badly or fail vaguely - it just doesn't find the card, so you uninstall it. |
| 19:16.07 | supastuff | hi, I'm wondering why debian still has 2.6.32 as kernel? |
| 19:16.12 | karlpinc | Nephro: www.xwinman.org IIRC. |
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| 19:16.55 | karlpinc | !tell supastuff about stable |
| 19:16.55 | jhutchins_lt | supastuff: Because version numbers only tell part of the story. |
| 19:17.03 | karlpinc | !tell supastuff about overview |
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| 19:17.36 | supastuff | thanks ;) |
| 19:17.47 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: And you adapted the interface name to its actual value? Has that bug been reported? (I'll check if you are unsure) |
| 19:17.55 | D356R | hi, I just installed debian lenny and had installed from cd but now I want to add network sources to the sources.list file, however I am having difficulty finding the proper list, can I get a link to the correct deb lines? Thanks. |
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| 19:18.13 | jelly-home | !tell D356R about lenny sources.list |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | D356R: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 19:18.20 | supastuff | I see 2.6.37 recently entered experimental |
| 19:18.24 | D356R | abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:18.30 | abrotman | supastuff: and so what? |
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| 19:18.54 | supastuff | I guess it would take a few years to enter unstable/testing ;) |
| 19:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Like I said, I did this a couple of months ago. I don't think I filed a bugreport on wicd, this is pretty well known behavior from what I've seen. |
| 19:19.03 | abrotman | supastuff: no, after squeeze releases, it will go in |
| 19:19.24 | ranix | supastuff: debian evangelizes much more rapidly than popular misconception indicates. |
| 19:19.24 | supastuff | when is that expected? please forgive my ignorance. |
| 19:19.29 | jelly-home | supastuff: kernel people usually build those often. It doesn't mean any particular build is good for general use |
| 19:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I suppose what I should do is now that I have everything working correctly, go back and test it again for clean data. |
| 19:19.35 | ranix | !siyh |
| 19:19.35 | dpkg | methinks siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 19:19.41 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Ok -- works fine with my (ancient) ipw3945 :) |
| 19:19.43 | karlpinc | !tell supastuff about guess the release date |
| 19:19.48 | supastuff | I'm very happy with debian's up to dateness with most packages, but the kernel is a bit lagging in unstable I'd say |
| 19:20.07 | ranix | the kernel is something easily built onesself or backported |
| 19:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,kerels |
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| 19:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:20.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:20.28 | jelly-home | supastuff: unstable isn't used for its usual purpose at the moment; this will change after the release |
| 19:20.30 | stew | supastuff: they wouldn't upgrade the kernel in unstable utnil squeeze releases so that we have unstable to be able to testing an upgrade to squeeze if that is needed before release |
| 19:20.31 | supastuff | indeed, I build my own kernel that's newer than what's available in unstable as I need a few features. I was just wondering. |
| 19:20.33 | pbn | cahoot: hmmm well I'm lost |
| 19:20.36 | jhutchins_lt | supastuff: Again, version numbers don't tell the full story. |
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| 19:20.53 | supastuff | indeed they don't |
| 19:21.01 | supastuff | thanks for the explanations |
| 19:21.02 | babilen | supastuff: Sid lags and most development (if any at all -- DDs should work on RC bugs dammit!) when testing is frozen ;) |
| 19:21.09 | cahoot | pbn: not really - you're still in #debian |
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| 19:21.36 | babilen | supastuff: You might find the following page interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 19:21.44 | pbn | cahoot: heh :) I mean ther's something I don't get with my grub configuration |
| 19:21.46 | ranix | cahoot: perhaps he's in #debian on his cell phone, on the wrong train to an unknown destination |
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| 19:21.51 | supastuff | babilen: I already build my kernels the debian way, thanks |
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| 19:22.11 | pbn | I see no "splashimage" stanza in /etc/default/grub nor in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ... so where do I tell what splashimage I'll use |
| 19:22.16 | babilen | supastuff: Ok, wasn't sure and that page explains the process quite well. Have fun then :) |
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| 19:23.44 | cahoot | pbn: maybe you need grub2-splashimages (personally I use plain txt) |
| 19:24.18 | pbn | cahoot: it's there: ii grub2-splashimages |
| 19:24.57 | cahoot | pbn: maybe you need edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme (or such) |
| 19:25.23 | supastuff | thanks again, I was just a bit curious. I'm sure it was a pretty annoying question ;) |
| 19:25.35 | nickjones | I discovered by accident that if you drag a firefox tab to a nautilus window, a file.desktop is created that links to the web page. That's great, but my question is: where are this and other similar features documented? |
| 19:27.17 | karlpinc | nickjones: That behavior probably is dependant upon your desktop/window manager. |
| 19:27.20 | pbn | cahoot: aaah indeed... perhaps should I just export GRUB_BACKGROUND="someimage.xpm.gz" ? |
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| 19:27.38 | babilen | supastuff: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=4870 |
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| 19:28.01 | cahoot | pbn: I fear I have to leave that to your own judgement |
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| 19:29.14 | nickjones | ok. I'll look in kde docs. interestingly it depends in part on the browsers, because chrome doesn't behave that way. |
| 19:29.43 | karlpinc | nickjones: There may be some linux standards base influence. ? |
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| 19:30.38 | nickjones | Where would I look for linux standares base docs? |
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| 19:32.55 | karlpinc | nickjones: I don't know. There's some lsb* packages and then there's http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb |
| 19:33.22 | nickjones | karlpinc: I googled l. s. b. succesfully. thanks! |
| 19:33.53 | karlpinc | nickjones: Wouldn'tchaknow, dpkg has a lsb factoid too. ;) |
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| 19:33.59 | pbn | looks like the current GRUB in squeeze does not support .xpm or xpm.gz anymore.. ? |
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| 19:37.27 | lilibox | hi, |
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| 19:39.31 | karlpinc | lilibox: Hi. You have a question? Just ask. |
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| 19:40.56 | microtux | karlpinc, i've installed a new 2.6.32 kernel with xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports, same problem :( |
| 19:41.09 | Nephro | Is there an easy way to fix Skype installation? Google is really confusing and outdated. (I've got a fresh amd64 sid) |
| 19:41.14 | lilibox | i want kill wifi at certain times, i would like to ask how to check if it is realy donw |
| 19:41.32 | lilibox | ie i want wifi down at 4pm and wifi up at 6am |
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| 19:41.43 | karlpinc | Nephro: There's a skype page on wiki.debian.org. |
| 19:42.00 | joltcan | lilibox: I guess iwconfig to control/check that |
| 19:42.06 | lilibox | i can set it by cron, but what will happen when whole system restarts at ie 6pm |
| 19:42.06 | karlpinc | lilibox: You'd use cron to bring it up and down. |
| 19:42.19 | joltcan | lilibox: unfortunately I don't remember the syntax, but thats something you could google on |
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| 19:42.48 | karlpinc | joltcan: I'm not a wifi person. Why not just ifup/ifdown? |
| 19:42.52 | joltcan | lilibox: or ifdown / ifup with cron, and verify with iwconfig if you are concernd |
| 19:42.58 | joltcan | karlpinc: You were totally right |
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| 19:43.11 | joltcan | are even |
| 19:43.25 | karlpinc | has heard that wicd is used to avoid having to type wireless passwords.... |
| 19:43.41 | ma3x | hi, how can i check /dev/sda1 (debian partition) with fsck with -ck for badblocks? if i boot to single user mode, I can't fsck it because it's mounted. any way to add -ck to shutdown -F ? |
| 19:44.27 | ma3x | (don't have cdrom on this system) |
| 19:44.31 | karlpinc | ma3x: What is -ck? (I'm running lenny and don't see it.) |
| 19:44.32 | cahoot | use a livecd? |
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| 19:44.53 | skutr3 | hello |
| 19:44.57 | ma3x | karlpinc: man e2fsck |
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| 19:45.06 | skutr3 | i need help with debian installation |
| 19:45.12 | ma3x | cahoot: dont have cdrom |
| 19:45.18 | lilibox | ok and second question, looking for tiny smtp, i want send just warning emails from time to time over postfix at another puter in LAN |
| 19:45.23 | karlpinc | ma3x: Or boot off usb. |
| 19:45.25 | cahoot | ma3x: I noticed too late |
| 19:45.26 | treebeen | ma3x: remount it read-only |
| 19:45.29 | karlpinc | ma3x: Thanks. |
| 19:45.37 | skutr3 | i try to boot the disc and it says failed to boot press any key to retry |
| 19:45.49 | lilibox | ssmtp is ok? |
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| 19:46.16 | karlpinc | skutr3: What arch did you download? |
| 19:46.33 | treebeen | ma3x: mouunt -o remount,ro /dev/sda1 |
| 19:46.38 | karlpinc | ma3x: You could file a bug report /wishlist against the initscripts. |
| 19:47.00 | joltcan | lilibox: never used, that or nullmailer should be fine |
| 19:47.14 | ma3x | ok great i'll mount it read only |
| 19:47.17 | karlpinc | lilibox: Use debtags to search for choices. |
| 19:47.23 | ma3x | thanks brb |
| 19:47.54 | karlpinc | skutr3: ? |
| 19:48.00 | lilibox | karlpinc> problem is that i do not know exact terminology :-( |
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| 19:48.18 | lilibox | i know what i want, but dunno exact how to ask for it |
| 19:48.29 | karlpinc | lilibox: debtags will tell you what keywords exist. |
| 19:49.37 | lilibox | and the last question comes, any tool that will kill my wifi if someone will try to "hack" it, does exist anything such? |
| 19:49.41 | karlpinc | lilibox: You may wish to use lmtp for that. (And if disk space is not your worry, tune postfix so that it does outbound only. Come to think of it dpkg-reconfigure postfix will do this.) |
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| 19:50.09 | karlpinc | lilibox: You'll have to use swatch or some such and write your own kill script. |
| 19:50.11 | lilibox | karlpinc> ok, i will look on it, thank you |
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| 20:04.59 | g105b | Hi all. I've set up plenty of web servers but never an email server and would like some guidance. I have a spare domain name + fresh dedicated server, but have no idea how to get sending/receiving mail from there - I have read these tutorials but I haven't quite understood yet: |
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| 20:05.11 | g105b | http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/virtual2.html, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianserver.htm |
| 20:05.36 | g105b | So if anyone could recommend any other tutorials or just point me in the right direction, I can get learning and will be very grateful. |
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| 20:05.40 | nirazio | When I right-click, menu popup too quickly, and the first menu item is clicked. If I right-click in desktop, it create a new folder sometime. If I right-click in terminal, it open a new terminal sometime.Is there some way to delay context menu? |
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| 20:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: http://tldp.org has some tutorials. |
| 20:07.17 | GangsterBono | I want to be a singer like Ray Davies. |
| 20:07.28 | g105b | cheers jhutchins_lt |
| 20:07.50 | GangsterBono | I am velvety and clean cut. A real Dandy if I say so myself. |
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| 20:08.06 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: I believe this has a chapter on mailserver, good info on over-all security: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 20:08.32 | GangsterBono | I'm a gangster. |
| 20:08.50 | GangsterBono | What are you? |
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| 20:09.15 | fnb2 | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! fnb2 linuxwizard Biolunar githogori GangsterBono ansgar aindilis nirazio muneeb JPP g105b xlotlu JogiT4 za |
| 20:09.15 | fnb2 | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! jthomas_sb D356R sshc cahoot ungage phik ksool tylerl ROlds benebt czaja jamfade HackeMate Yu\2 gpm eSa| m |
| 20:09.15 | fnb2 | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! raz0 joeytwiddle PizzaPlanet G_O_D MadViking Matic`Makovec Deathvalley122 jair streuner__ davyg yaaar Ital |
| 20:09.43 | PizzaPlanet | Derp |
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| 20:09.49 | g105b | Herp? |
| 20:09.56 | PizzaPlanet | Durr |
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| 20:11.18 | biggayal` | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! biggayal` spope __neila__ linuxwizard Biolunar githogori GangsterBono ansgar aindilis nirazio muneeb JPP g105b xlotlu Jog |
| 20:11.18 | biggayal` | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! tempeldirne Dbug qq- supastuff afxx jthomas_sb D356R sshc cahoot ungage phik ksool tylerl ROlds benebt czaja jamfade Hack |
| 20:11.18 | biggayal` | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! ThoMe mquin yogurt2ungue balor dzup2 krushik raz0 joeytwiddle PizzaPlanet G_O_D MadViking Matic`Makovec Deathvalley122 ja |
| 20:11.22 | pipeline | masterful trolling |
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| 20:11.59 | phik | bots can't troll |
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| 20:12.20 | pipeline | the authors of the bots are the ones doing the trolling |
| 20:12.21 | PizzaPlanet | Everybody way oh |
| 20:13.31 | abrotman | Walk like an Egyptian ? |
| 20:13.59 | helo | i was thinking "hip-hop hoo-ray" |
| 20:14.11 | ranix | isn't the tea party a conservative party |
| 20:15.43 | lord_rob | Isn't the tea party unrelated to Debian ? |
| 20:15.50 | yaaar | ranix: inasmuch as it's a "party" (it really lacks much organizational structure) it is far right. it was created/stoked by some longstanding Republican organizations (Club for Growth, etc.) |
| 20:15.54 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic if you want to talk about it |
| 20:15.57 | jelly-home | yaaar, ranix: you fail at not being trolled. The messages are constructed to be inflamatory. |
| 20:16.03 | yaaar | and yes, that's totally offtopic, sorry |
| 20:16.18 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, I solved my acpi power button problem by editing /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh and commenting the policykit stuff out. Thx. |
| 20:16.32 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: glad I helped |
| 20:17.22 | thewanderer1 | I hope Squeeze isn't going to get released with this kind of policykit "improvement" |
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| 20:20.05 | MJD | g105b: There is a tutorial out there for setting up up a mail server called ISP Mail Server. My internet connection sucks right now so I can't google it, but I followed it for my mail server and it works great |
| 20:20.42 | g105b | MJD: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 20:21.07 | helo | i'm running debian (armel) with a non-debian kernel (android), and i'm trying to compile a kernel to support the same hardware. anyone know what driver/module is indicated by: "# Unknown net device (/devices/platform/imapx200_mac/net/eth0) (imapx200_mac)" in udev's persistent-net.rules? |
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| 20:21.25 | MJD | g105b: As a hint, it uses postfix+dovecot+mysql to run. |
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| 20:22.05 | tdn | Why is apt-get recommended for lenny->squeeze upgrade but aptitude recommended for etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 20:22.10 | tdn | Just curious.... |
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| 20:22.29 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, The policykit was already in lenny. |
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| 20:22.40 | g105b | MJD: the main thing I'm confused about is the correlation between my domain name and the server itself - I just need to specify a mx record and the server takes it from there?? |
| 20:22.51 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: yes, but it didn't limit the power button, did it? :P |
| 20:23.52 | thewanderer1 | g105b: other mail servers, while sending mail to yours, will look up the MX DNS record for the @domain part of the address |
| 20:24.00 | jelly-home | tdn: because it works better in that particular case |
| 20:24.14 | MJD | g105b: Basically. You setup a mx record pointing to your server, then all other email servers lookup that record to find you. The MX record *CANNOT* point to a CNAME record, it has to be an A record or ip address. Then yes your server takes it from there. |
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| 20:24.52 | jelly-home | MJD: it pretty much has to be A record |
| 20:25.15 | MJD | jelly-home: It can't be an ip address? |
| 20:25.23 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, no idea what problem policykit has on my system. It may be confused by multiple seats. Actually I am quite happy about removing it from the power button. If someone presses the power button the system should just should down. No questions, no exceptions. |
| 20:25.31 | jelly-home | MJD: that wouldn't be wise. |
| 20:25.35 | g105b | MJD: so even without an MX record, once I have set up the email server I can start to send emails from it? |
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| 20:25.44 | jelly-home | g105b: correct |
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| 20:25.49 | MJD | g105b: Yes. |
| 20:25.58 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. |
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| 20:27.22 | MJD | jelly-home: Well not a wise choice to have ips in mx records, is it legal? |
| 20:27.45 | g105b | MJD: I'm going to start setting up the server, do you mind if I private message you? |
| 20:27.56 | pipeline | MJD: no, it's not |
| 20:28.07 | jelly-home | MJD: it's probably more legal to use a CNAME ;-) |
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| 20:28.16 | pipeline | MJD: you could try reformatting the ip as an in-addr.arpa name, but I can't guarantee that it would work... |
| 20:28.27 | pipeline | MJD: you really need separate 'A' and 'MX' records. |
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| 20:28.50 | jelly-home | you don't really need an MX record at all if an A record matches |
| 20:28.54 | MJD | g105b: I can see I can help, probably better to post here to get maximum help |
| 20:28.56 | pipeline | MJD: if you don't control the proper place for the 'A' record, that's ok. Just create a zone on the server you DO control so that when you are queried for the MX record, you will non-authoritatively return the A records also, in the "additional" section |
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| 20:29.14 | pipeline | MJD: that's a nasty solution, but it will actually work, whereas the solution you propose will probably not :) |
| 20:29.26 | g105b | ok, just didn't want to spam the channel with questions when I get confused. |
| 20:30.16 | MJD | pipeline: That was more out of curiosity. My MX record only points to A records |
| 20:30.29 | MJD | could have sworn I read somewhere ips ok, cnames not. |
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| 20:31.40 | Vardan | people I have confused: I downloaded ttf-dejavu-udeb-2.31.udeb and ttf-dejavu 2.31 archive from dejavu official site. When I extracted udeb and tar I found that DejaVuSans.ttf files have different sizes. How can it be? |
| 20:32.44 | Vardan | my problem is that in udeb version font haven't the needed language support, but the one from official site have |
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| 20:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | Vardan: Ask the dejavu support people, that isn't a debian problem. |
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| 20:34.19 | jhutchins_lt | Vardan: Why would you even use them when there are debian packages? |
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| 20:34.30 | g105b | MJD: I have searched for that tutorial ISP Mail Server but there are loads :S |
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| 20:35.17 | Vardan | I need that for debian-installer |
| 20:35.29 | MJD | g105b: Found it (internet seems to be a bit better for now): workaround.org/ispmail/ |
| 20:36.53 | g105b | MJD: ah, to be honest I had started that tutorial earlier and got confused quite early on :D |
| 20:37.12 | g105b | I'll have another attempt, hope you don't mind me asking simple questions in here... |
| 20:37.25 | MJD | it is a little more complicated, but I like it for its flexibility. |
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| 20:41.47 | g105b | MJD: as this is a fresh debian install and I'm new to this, should I ignore the page "Migrating from the Etch tutorial"? |
| 20:42.03 | MJD | g105b: yes |
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| 20:52.03 | bolt | !dead |
| 20:52.03 | dpkg | yes :( |
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| 20:55.02 | blue_sky | New install won't boot. Grub gives a boot list, then "gave up waiting for root device", a list of common probs, then "Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/[lots of hex] does not exist. Dropping to a shell". Any ideas? |
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| 20:57.45 | karlpinc | blue_sky: What version of debian? |
| 20:57.54 | g105b | MJD: Well, I got so far to install phpmyadmin and now I'm lost :S |
| 20:58.00 | blue_sky | karlpinc: squeeze |
| 20:58.03 | karlpinc | !tell g105b about overview |
| 20:58.11 | karlpinc | g105b: ^^ fyi |
| 20:58.29 | ajikeshi | !tell g105b about security issues of webinterfaces |
| 20:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't just make up any old factoid name |
| 20:59.03 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 20:59.07 | quiritius | hi, i took a 2.6.37 kernel-source from experimental and compiled it (2 packages) for my squeeze system. the new kernel cannot load: "error: cannot read the Linux header". any pointers? |
| 20:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone needs to have created the factoid, ya know? |
| 20:59.11 | ajikeshi | but i thought it was that commin.. that it must exist :D |
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| 20:59.22 | HackeMate | hello, i want to backup my wii game, and i read there is only a way: friidump, is that true? |
| 20:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ajikeshi -about you can't just tell people about random factoid names |
| 20:59.58 | ajikeshi | hehe |
| 21:00.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but there is |
| 21:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !phpmyadmin |
| 21:00.12 | dpkg | phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle MySQL administration over the Internet. Can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. Read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian and run "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" to configure your web server. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq #phpmyadmin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:00.48 | karlpinc | ajikeshi: You can make your own factoids though. /msg dpkg dpkgbot and chase the links |
| 21:01.25 | lord_rob | quiritius: compiled with debian tools ? |
| 21:01.26 | ajikeshi | thy karlpinc |
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| 21:02.41 | quiritius | lord_rob: yes. "make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=custom.001 kernel_image kernel_headers" |
| 21:03.39 | cusco | hi |
| 21:03.59 | cusco | I just installed squeeze on a laptop which has a intel gfx card: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 21:04.17 | TuGa | hi i have lenny installed with iptables 1.4.2 running, to make changes persistent after reboot i have created a file for rules on /etc/network and created a iptables script on /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ on the script i'm using iptables-restore < 'rules file' command, but after reboot i get the default iptables setup. |
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| 21:04.31 | TuGa | how can i make changes persistent after reboot? anyone? |
| 21:04.47 | cusco | I should be using intel driver right? |
| 21:05.08 | cusco | i915 should be the module |
| 21:05.33 | cusco | but I can only get 1024x768 and 800x600 |
| 21:05.39 | cusco | laptop screen is widescreen |
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| 21:06.03 | quiritius | lord_rob: btw, i tried to install liquorix kernel. i know it is for sid and maybe should not work anyway, but the error is exactly the same. |
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| 21:06.47 | cusco | what can I do? |
| 21:06.48 | lord_rob | quiritius: tried the vanilla kernel ? from kernel.org ? |
| 21:07.05 | quiritius | lord_rob: not yet. |
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| 21:07.31 | lord_rob | quiritius: Is your problem at boot time or during installation ? |
| 21:07.35 | amgarchIn9 | hi, is there a tool to detect/remove duplicate files based on their content, not names? |
| 21:07.48 | MJD | g105b: How are you lost? |
| 21:08.34 | jelly-home | cusco: pastebin your dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log please |
| 21:08.51 | cusco | hold |
| 21:08.55 | babilen | amgarchIn9: fdupes |
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| 21:10.05 | quiritius | lord_rob: it install fine, but after i try to load the .37 kernel from grub, i get "Loading Linux 2.6.37.../ Error: cannot read the Linux header. / loading initial ramdisk ... / error: you need to load the kernel first" |
| 21:10.08 | amgarchIn9 | babilen: thanks! |
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| 21:10.19 | babilen | amgarchIn9: You are welcome. :-D |
| 21:10.31 | cusco | jelly-home: xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/104243/ |
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| 21:11.02 | cusco | jelly-home: dmesg log: http://paste.debian.net/104244/ |
| 21:11.20 | quiritius | lord_rob: then i can only return to grub and load stock .32 kernel |
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| 21:12.48 | jelly-home | cusco: you could try forcing the kernel i915 driver to use kms feature, /msg dpkg kms |
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| 21:13.50 | lord_rob | quiritius: maybe I didn't see that but have you tried taking the compiled deb from experimental ? |
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| 21:15.43 | quiritius | lord_rob: don't want to. it wants to install some (many actually) packages from experimental. i'd prefer to retain the basic squeeze installation though. |
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| 21:16.48 | g105b | MJD: lost because when installing mysql-server and postfix-mysql, I wasn't asked anything (it says you will be asked for mysql root password and such) |
| 21:17.02 | cusco | jelly-home: /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf already has modeset=1 |
| 21:17.06 | cusco | as option |
| 21:17.23 | g105b | MJD: and then after installing phpmyadmin, there was no response when going to server.ip.address/phpmyadmin |
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| 21:17.49 | cusco | also the following line on lsmod: i2c_core 15712 6 videodev,i915,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_i801,i2c_algo_bit |
| 21:17.59 | MJD | g105b: it asked me. weird. try running: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 |
| 21:18.31 | MJD | as for the other issue, is your webserver setup to have phpmyadmin there / do you have a web server setup? |
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| 21:18.56 | g105b | MJD: will do - I've rebuilt the server with a fresh image and starting again while learning |
| 21:19.01 | BusMaster | what kernel version does lenny come with? |
| 21:19.15 | g105b | MJD: yeah, I did my usual web server setup procedure |
| 21:19.15 | jelly-home | cusco: however, the dmesg doesn't show it active. |
| 21:19.20 | babilen | BusMaster: 2.6.26 -- do you need anything special? |
| 21:19.24 | cusco | ow.. |
| 21:19.29 | lord_rob | quiritius: I had a look in aptitude and no, it depends on package linux-base actually |
| 21:19.40 | lord_rob | that's all but that's important |
| 21:19.41 | BusMaster | babilen, I need 2.6.31 is it in the repositories or will I have to roll my own? |
| 21:19.41 | jelly-home | cusco: does adding i915.modeset=1 as a boot parameter make any difference |
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| 21:20.01 | babilen | BusMaster: What is the purpose of the machine you are installing on? |
| 21:20.05 | Jemt | Can I update a "field" in /etc/fstab using a console tool? I need to change the <pass> argument for an entry in fstab, so my FAT32 partition is not being checked on every boot. I need to do this on many installations, so I would like to be able to do it using a command rather than opening the file and modify it |
| 21:20.09 | jelly-home | BusMaster: 2.6.32 is available at /msg dpkg bdo |
| 21:20.10 | cusco | jelly-home: as kernell boot parameter? |
| 21:20.16 | jelly-home | cusco: indeed |
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| 21:21.04 | cusco | what bit of grub.cfg should I add that in? |
| 21:21.08 | babilen | BusMaster: You have a couple of options, but tell us about the purpose of the box and the reason why you need >= 2.6.31 first :) |
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| 21:21.41 | stew | and if its 2.6.31 or >= 2.6.31 |
| 21:21.41 | BusMaster | babilen, the machine will sit in a 30 ton truck and drive it autonomously on public streets :) We will use it to compete in the Grand Cooperative Driving Challenge http://www.gcdc.net |
| 21:21.41 | cahoot | Jemt: any editor |
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| 21:21.56 | stew | BusMaster: can you use 2.6.32? |
| 21:21.59 | BusMaster | babilen, jelly-home it has to be 2.6.31, nothing more or less |
| 21:22.11 | tdn | After upgrading from lenny to squeeze, bind has stopped working. I see errors like this in the log: 2011-01-10T22:20:51.451563+01:00 syrah.vineyard.sikkerhed.org named[4792]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'www.debian-multimedia.org/AAAA/IN': 2001:500:c::1#53 |
| 21:22.16 | quiritius | lord_rob: you mean it is easy to revert later, if needed? in this case i can wait for a backport couple of weeks/months. but still interested in building the kernel myself. |
| 21:22.19 | tdn | Could this be because I do not use IPv6? |
| 21:22.34 | stew | BusMaster: then you'd be rolling your own, you might see "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 21:22.40 | BusMaster | because we are using a wireless protocol called 802.11p for which the competition organizers provide a driver which is guaranteed to work only with 2.6.31 (some PhD student wrote it and that is all they have) |
| 21:22.59 | tdn | babilen, hey. My server got back up after rebooting into the newly upgraded squeeze system. With some quirks though. |
| 21:23.03 | BusMaster | ok. thanks |
| 21:23.03 | linduxed | hello, for some reason i can ssh into my server (i don't have physical access to it) but i can't ping anything outside of it (like google.com for instance) |
| 21:23.15 | babilen | tdn: great! what were the quirks? |
| 21:23.21 | linduxed | obviously it has contact with the internet, so what could the issue be |
| 21:23.23 | linduxed | ? |
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| 21:23.47 | tdn | babilen, one thing is that bind has stopped working. I have still not figured out what exactly has happened. |
| 21:23.57 | babilen | BusMaster: Do you need it during the installation as well? |
| 21:24.04 | lord_rob | quiritius: 'fcourse, aptitude gui interface is a dream :) Haven't seen any operating system managing programs as well (but well, I only use two :) |
| 21:24.17 | tdn | babilen, also dhcp has stopped handing out IPs to the MAC addresses it should. |
| 21:24.21 | cusco | jelly-home: that made a difference, lsmod|grep video|xargs rmmodM modprobe i915 modeset=1 |
| 21:24.26 | BusMaster | babilen, no.. after install I can roll it at leisure |
| 21:24.34 | tdn | babilen, so now dhcp just hands out dynamic IPs from the dynamic range of IPs. |
| 21:24.37 | cusco | console got different straight away and I now have correct resolution |
| 21:24.47 | tdn | babilen, I guess the two problems (dhcp and dns) are related. |
| 21:24.49 | babilen | BusMaster: And let me guess: You developed kernel modules against 2.6.31 and they don't compile with anything but vanilla 2.6.31 for some truck driving software something? |
| 21:24.55 | cusco | why the hell it is not being read from /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf ? |
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| 21:27.18 | quiritius | lord_rob: yes, aptitude ;) ah, well... it plain vanilla kernel doesn't build on me again, i will wait for backports. apart from a couple of minor glitches there's no pressing need for upgrading kernel here. |
| 21:27.45 | jelly-home | cusco: your graphic chip might be blacklisted for kms because of reported issues. I don't know where exactly this is done |
| 21:27.49 | BusMaster | babilen, almost right. This is ageneric driver for 802.11p that is a modification to the ath5k driver that only works with a vanilla 2.6.31 kernel (may work with others, but it is not guaranteed. which means nobody will use it in an autonomously moving vehicle at 80kmph :) |
| 21:28.19 | linduxed | anyone who's had this type of problem? |
| 21:28.34 | linduxed | or any idea of what could be causing it? |
| 21:28.42 | lord_rob | if you add sid and experimental in your source.list but with a lower priority you'll be able to install that kernel quiritius |
| 21:28.53 | cusco | :| |
| 21:28.57 | jelly-home | cusco: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable |
| 21:29.02 | cusco | where is the best way to conf it |
| 21:29.03 | lord_rob | experimental has a priority of 1 |
| 21:29.16 | cusco | squeeze is not unstable |
| 21:29.22 | lord_rob | (I don't remember the term for "priority") |
| 21:29.28 | cusco | nvm, |
| 21:29.35 | jelly-home | cusco: I'm aware of that bit of information. |
| 21:29.52 | solifugus | Where is the ssh timeout that disconnects my session set up? |
| 21:29.53 | stew | lord_rob: it's "priority" |
| 21:30.01 | lord_rob | hehe |
| 21:30.02 | stew | solifugus: in your router, not in debian |
| 21:30.17 | stew | solifugus: oh wait, what do you mean by "session set up"? |
| 21:30.18 | BusMaster | babilen, I use ubuntu on my desktop, but (right or wrong I don't know) I am thinking debian stable would be more stable and that is what I should put on the machine that will actually go in the truck. |
| 21:30.28 | babilen | BusMaster: Ok, I would then install Lenny and roll your own kernel. And good luck! Is this some VIAC/DARPA thingie? |
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| 21:30.52 | quiritius | lord_rob: i understand that. still building is really more of an educational value ;) and would get none from installing precompiled kernel. |
| 21:30.55 | solifugus | stew: I mean when i ssh into a server and not type for a little while, it disconnects me.. I want to stop that |
| 21:31.08 | solifugus | I want to stay connected longer |
| 21:31.13 | babilen | BusMaster: I just asked to make sure that you (for some obscure reason) don't need the exact kernel version during the installation. |
| 21:31.15 | BusMaster | babilen, it is quite similar to the DARPA urban challenge. The trick here is to use wireless communications to form platoons autonomously |
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| 21:31.57 | stew | solifugus: LoginGraceTime in sshd_config |
| 21:32.08 | babilen | BusMaster: Well good luck and may your heuristic prune enough subtrees! |
| 21:32.13 | solifugus | thanks.. looking for that now |
| 21:32.16 | BusMaster | babilen, thanks :) |
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| 21:32.24 | lord_rob | quiritius: sure I was doing that when I was young, at the begging of my studies at uni ;) |
| 21:32.35 | lord_rob | beggining |
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| 21:33.25 | jimmybgood | Are the static device nodes in a debian install universal or do they depend on the machine? |
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| 21:33.56 | rpgdude | i installed git-daemon-run package, but the package did not create gitdaemon user |
| 21:34.13 | lord_rob | maybe you forgot to do "make oldconfig" quiritius |
| 21:34.29 | lord_rob | dunno |
| 21:34.53 | lord_rob | anyway it's time to go to bed here cya |
| 21:35.10 | quiritius | lord_rob: i made "make menuconfig". cya and thanks! |
| 21:35.22 | solifugus | stew: they had LoginGraceTime set to 120.. that was really frustrating.. especially since I have to tunnel to get to the servers I have to work on... and all of them are at 120 seconds.. |
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| 21:35.35 | stew | solifugus: 120 is the default |
| 21:35.43 | catsup | jimmybgood: i'd guess any static nodes would be generated by /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 21:35.45 | rpgdude | actually, nevermind it did |
| 21:36.59 | catsup | jimmybgood: (so the same). maybe not though. |
| 21:37.45 | catsup | jimmybgood: they would of course always have the same name->major,minor mapping; only which nodes exist would vary |
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| 21:38.11 | linduxed | hello, for some reason i can ssh into my server (i don't have physical access to it) but i can't ping anything outside of it (like google.com for instance) |
| 21:38.11 | linduxed | obviously it has contact with the internet, so what could the issue be? |
| 21:38.26 | stew | linduxed: do you get an error? |
| 21:38.32 | km | what tools available for apache performance monitoring? |
| 21:38.36 | catsup | linduxed: can you resolve anything? |
| 21:38.46 | jimmybgood | catsup: what I'm curious about is how it's decided which nodes are created and which nodes are actually necessary |
| 21:38.54 | linduxed | stew: when i ping i don't get answers on anything except local addresses |
| 21:39.00 | linduxed | catsup: how would i check that? |
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| 21:39.10 | g105b | I'm setting up a mail server for the first time - when asked for my fully qualified hostname, what do I enter? |
| 21:39.12 | catsup | linduxed: does ping say 'ping: unknown host google.com'? |
| 21:39.24 | stew | linduxed: can you tell us what error you actually get? |
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| 21:39.38 | Tramp | linduxed: please don't crosspost. You will only get confused |
| 21:39.45 | Tramp | and you're wasting peoples time |
| 21:39.46 | linduxed | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 21:39.53 | linduxed | Tramp: ok |
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| 21:40.24 | catsup | jimmybgood: well, it's either a run of MAKEDEV without arguments, which creates everything, or it's some script run by the installer, which you could probably find just looking around on it |
| 21:40.36 | linduxed | catsup: exactly |
| 21:40.50 | linduxed | stew: forgot to highlight you there |
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| 21:41.20 | catsup | linduxed: your DNS resolution is broken. edit /etc/resolv.conf, add dns-nameservers to /etc/network/interfaces, etc. |
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| 21:41.51 | ktwilight | hi :) need some help. so i have this package that's stuck in setting up during apt-get install. how can i reset apt-get's behaviour? i.e. i don't want to install this package anymore. |
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| 21:42.06 | ktwilight | i vaguely remember there's a trick in modifying a file in /var/cache or something? |
| 21:42.35 | stew | ktwilight: aptitude remove packagename ? |
| 21:42.52 | catsup | apt-get -f install |
| 21:42.57 | ktwilight | stew that'd uninstall every other packages it depends on, which i don't want. |
| 21:43.04 | MJD | g105b: the full hostname of your server |
| 21:43.24 | MJD | so if you server's name is server, and your domain is example.com, your fqdn is server.example.com |
| 21:43.34 | stew | ktwilight: then first run "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rpackagename~i'" |
| 21:43.43 | linduxed | catsup: ok, i think you're right about the resolv.conf being at fault, might be that |
| 21:43.48 | catsup | if a preinst script is failing, and you want to fix it, you can edit it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.preinst |
| 21:43.49 | linduxed | catsup: not sure yet |
| 21:44.14 | jimmybgood | catsup: yeah it appears to be "MAKEDEV std" and then something creates a couple pipes in /dev as well - thanks - just curious |
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| 21:44.23 | g105b | MJD: I haven't pointed any domains to the server yet - do I *need* a domain name at this point? |
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| 21:45.32 | linduxed | catsup: stew: i changed the nameserver to 8.8.8.8 and it worked |
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| 21:45.59 | MJD | g105b: you don't need to point the domain at the server, you just need to know what the server's domain *will* be |
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| 21:47.32 | catsup | g105b: the mail server needs to know what domain to report itself as, and what domain(s) to accept mail for. however, you can always change it later. |
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| 21:51.10 | ktwilight | hm, no...that doesn't quite work. |
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| 21:52.47 | ktwilight | ok, the issue is that a stable release is trying to install over a backports, but the backports has a higher version than the stable release. the install script is failing, 'cuz one of the dependencies can't find the file required 'cuz hte stable release has the older version. so, am trying to remove the instance of the stable release installation, and keep the existing backport package (which is already installed). if this makes sense at all... |
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| 21:53.34 | ktwilight | isn't there a way to override whatever that's interrupting apt-get? i get an iF status when i do dpkg -l 'pkgname' |
| 21:53.42 | Ratty_ | Hi. I have a server which has all 4 cores maxed at 100%us. But I see no processes using more than 1% CPU. Any ideas what's up? |
| 21:53.57 | ktwilight | i want it to be un status, and done manually. |
| 21:54.13 | stew | ktwilight: you don't want to do that. you should fix the problem in the scripts |
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| 21:54.27 | stew | ktwilight: perhaps we could help if you show us what is actually happening |
| 21:54.28 | ktwilight | stew, so the preinst script is the way to go? |
| 21:54.34 | ktwilight | stew, sure, lemme pastebin |
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| 21:54.56 | stew | is it really preinst and not postinst that is failing? |
| 21:55.08 | karlpinc | Ratty_: Someone's hammering your sshd and the processes are failing fast? |
| 21:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ratty_, a lot of processes that exit very fast? |
| 21:55.30 | Ratty_ | Hmm... |
| 21:55.33 | Ratty_ | Anyway to check for that? |
| 21:55.39 | stew | Ratty_: where are you getting the 100% number from? |
| 21:55.44 | karlpinc | Ratty_: logs |
| 21:55.44 | ktwilight | stew, i think it's preinst. http://pastebin.com/tRwMQv2g |
| 21:55.46 | Ratty_ | stew: from 'top' |
| 21:56.03 | Ratty_ | Cpu(s): 99.7%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 21:56.10 | stew | ktwilight: what is "backports"? |
| 21:56.34 | stew | ktwilight: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 21:56.35 | ktwilight | ii python2.6 2.6.6-8+b1 |
| 21:56.44 | ktwilight | stew, ^^^ that's dpkg's output |
| 21:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ratty_, how would output look like that you'd like to see when "checking for that"? |
| 21:57.00 | stew | ktwilight: you realize that squeeze isn't stable, right? |
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| 21:57.35 | ktwilight | stew, http://pastebin.com/YgUVvcwF |
| 21:57.37 | karlpinc | ktwilight: (And as such, backports is not appropriate.) |
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| 21:57.39 | ktwilight | stew, yes. |
| 21:57.50 | ktwilight | karlpinc, and yes. |
| 21:58.07 | stew | ktwilight: what version of python-minimal do you have installed? |
| 21:58.11 | Ratty_ | auth and messages are pretty idle. |
| 21:58.23 | karlpinc | Ratty_: daemon? |
| 21:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | squeeze-backports? |
| 21:58.31 | ktwilight | stew, ii python-minimal 2.6.6-3+squeeze4 |
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| 21:59.02 | Ratty_ | daemon idle too |
| 21:59.32 | stew | ktwilight: you are intending to run squeeze aka testing, not lenny aka stable, right? |
| 21:59.39 | ktwilight | oh i see, python-minimal was replaced! 2.6.6-8+b1 to 2.6.6-3+squeeze4 |
| 22:00.22 | karlpinc | Ratty_: Humm.. You could do a lot of 'ps ax' and diff the results.... |
| 22:00.26 | stew | ktwilight: there was never a 2.6.6-8+b1 version of python-minimal |
| 22:00.35 | Ratty_ | karlpinc: Okay, cheers. |
| 22:00.43 | ktwilight | Preparing to replace python2.6-minimal 2.6.6-6 (using .../python2.6-minimal_2.6.6-8+b1_amd64.deb) |
| 22:00.48 | karlpinc | Ratty_: That's a guess. |
| 22:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he's running a lenny/squeeze mix with backports at the lowest possible priority |
| 22:01.21 | stew | ktwilight: are you trying to run squeeze or lenny? |
| 22:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, I'm reading this wrong |
| 22:01.30 | ktwilight | oh my goodness... *faints* |
| 22:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, I'm not |
| 22:01.48 | ktwilight | it's supposed to be running on lenny, with backports. |
| 22:01.54 | stew | ktwilight: you aren't even close |
| 22:01.55 | ktwilight | squeeze is not supposed to be in the picture. |
| 22:02.11 | ktwilight | but i just check sources.list and it has squeeze in it along with lenny. o.O |
| 22:02.18 | stew | ktwilight: you are running mostly squeeze, it seems, i'd guess that the lenny being at priority 990 is probably part of your problem |
| 22:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the output of your policy that you pasted |
| 22:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you think he's running mostly squeeze? |
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| 22:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | because python is a version from squeeze? |
| 22:03.24 | ktwilight | http://pastebin.com/i6WA914Z that's what it supposed to be. |
| 22:03.29 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 22:03.48 | ktwilight | and sources.list has both lenny and squeeze :/ |
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| 22:03.54 | stew | ktwilight: you should not try to mix a stable release with a non-stable release |
| 22:04.00 | ktwilight | knows |
| 22:04.06 | ktwilight | wonders who tampered with the server |
| 22:05.01 | ktwilight | i guess the next step is to remove everything of squeeze, and reinstall, right? |
| 22:05.19 | stew | ktwilight: reinstall what? |
| 22:05.40 | ktwilight | stew, python |
| 22:05.49 | stew | ktwilight: you've upgraded more than just python |
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| 22:06.28 | ktwilight | stew, from what i can count, only 12 packages. |
| 22:06.37 | stew | ktwilight: where are you counting? |
| 22:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, well, you could run apt-show-versions, then you know. Of course, you can't easily install it right now... |
| 22:06.44 | ktwilight | stew, this broke when the apt-get upgrade script kicked in |
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| 22:08.20 | stew | ktwilight: how many of your 12 packages are not directly python related? |
| 22:08.44 | ktwilight | stew, these are the packages: libncursesw5 python2.6 libssl0.9.8 python python-minimal python2.6-minimal pootle libncurses5 libxml2 libfreetype6 python2.5 |
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| 22:09.06 | ktwilight | seems that removing those automatically removes everything else... :| |
| 22:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also see 12 packages that apt wants to upgrade when you install python2.6-minimal from squeeze into lenny |
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| 22:09.36 | stew | ktwilight: what version of libc6 is installed? is libreadline6 installed? |
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| 22:09.54 | stew | ktwilight: and what version of libdb4.8? |
| 22:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | namely bkchem libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libncursesw5 libncursesw5-dev libsqlite3-0 libssl-dev libssl0.9.8 mftrace ncurses-bin python-scapy python-scientific |
| 22:10.33 | ktwilight | libreadline6 6.1-3 installed. libc6 from lenny. and libdb4.8 4.8.30-2 |
| 22:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, 4 of those probably only I have |
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| 22:10.46 | stew | judd: versions libdb4.8 |
| 22:10.47 | judd | Package libdb4.8 on i386 -- etch-backports: 4.8.24-1~bpo40+1; lenny-backports: 4.8.24-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.8.30-2; sid: 4.8.30-3 |
| 22:10.53 | stew | judd: versions libreadline6 |
| 22:10.55 | judd | Package libreadline6 on i386 -- sid: 6.1-3; squeeze: 6.1-3 |
| 22:11.21 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm quite sure that this machine was clean before this time...so am guessin' there wasn't an upgrade to squeeze |
| 22:11.38 | ktwilight | it was just a lenny and lenny-backports. squeeze somehow got squeezed into the system somewhere... |
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| 22:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so right now you still have the problem in an install/remove script |
| 22:13.27 | ktwilight | and libdb4.8 and libreadline6 sneaked in... |
| 22:13.50 | ktwilight | i guess the entire machine is squeeze? but /etc/debian_version states 5.0.7 |
| 22:14.05 | ktwilight | what's the safest route? completely upgrade to squeeze? |
| 22:14.11 | karlpinc | ktwilight: When you mix releases things break. |
| 22:14.34 | ktwilight | it wasn't my intention. :/ |
| 22:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, but probably mixed quite a bit... |
| 22:14.50 | karlpinc | ktwilight: Probably. I'm not an expert. You may want another opinion. |
| 22:15.04 | karlpinc | ktwilight: (upgrade to squeeze) |
| 22:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, right now he can't |
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| 22:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | because one of the install scripts fail |
| 22:15.33 | ktwilight | awesome. |
| 22:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't you say that? |
| 22:15.42 | ktwilight | yes. |
| 22:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could pastebin that error |
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| 22:16.09 | karlpinc | ktwilight: You could try following the squeeze release notes to upgrade. |
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| 22:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | most probably {pre,post}{install,rm} |
| 22:16.19 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, http://pastebin.com/tRwMQv2g |
| 22:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !postrm |
| 22:16.20 | dpkg | methinks postrm is /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package name>.postrm and this is where most of the package problems appear. Edit the script and comment out offending lines or just NULL the file. |
| 22:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | post-inst |
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| 22:17.26 | AntiSociaL | hmmmmm |
| 22:17.49 | AntiSociaL | could someone lend me a hand |
| 22:17.55 | AntiSociaL | i need a way to get around this: |
| 22:17.56 | AntiSociaL | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT: Invalid argumen |
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| 22:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, the fun thing here is... I wonder if there's any other postinstall/postrm et al scripts that use python and that all start to fail if you null that file and continue with a broken python install |
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| 22:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not SO many? |
| 22:21.29 | ktwilight | CutMeOwnThroat, but enough to keep you busy :) |
| 22:21.56 | AntiSociaL | hmmm |
| 22:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, not me |
| 22:22.03 | AntiSociaL | mustve stumped everyone |
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| 22:22.03 | ktwilight | how kind... |
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| 22:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | mixed systems aren't supported on #debian :) |
| 22:22.08 | AntiSociaL | thanks anyway |
| 22:22.13 | ktwilight | i know :( |
| 22:22.26 | ktwilight | it's a shared system, so...can't be all my fault. |
| 22:22.43 | ktwilight | will sleep on it. hopefully the answer bings into my head for tomorrow. |
| 22:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ktwilight, well, try nulling the file, then install apt-show-versions and have a look for how many packages it says "testing" |
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| 22:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or instead of nulling it write "exit 0" after the #!/bin/something line |
| 22:24.15 | ktwilight | doesn't quite solve the problem though. |
| 22:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, shows you what solutions you have available |
| 22:24.35 | ktwilight | how do you get rid of the mixed environment cleanly.it's either a reinstall, or a complete upgrade |
| 22:24.42 | ktwilight | true |
| 22:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's only a few packages, you can try downgrading |
| 22:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, you want to see what different things you mixed in |
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| 22:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, the reinstall solution will always stay present :) |
| 22:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like apt-show-versions |egrep -v 'stable|lenny' |
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| 22:28.22 | ktwilight | hmmm... |
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| 22:58.10 | piklu | hello |
| 22:58.16 | piklu | how are you guys ? |
| 22:58.25 | piklu | can u suggest me a good FTP server? |
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| 22:59.13 | dondelelcaro | piklu: proftpd is pretty common, but there are tons of them. |
| 22:59.28 | piklu | ok |
| 22:59.33 | piklu | than proftpd it is |
| 23:00.00 | Makuew | Soon comes the question of inetd or standalone. |
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| 23:03.11 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 23:04.13 | Azrael_- | i try to use blktap/blktap2 on squeeze with xen 4.0.1. i only find this text "Debian doesn't build blktap support, because of some previous licensing issues. Those issues were resolved a couple of months ago. |
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| 23:04.30 | Azrael_- | what's meant with "were resolved"? |
| 23:06.09 | piklu | I used the option inetd to install proftpd |
| 23:06.14 | piklu | but now i want to go for standalone |
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| 23:06.30 | piklu | removing it, installing it again nothing happens, i do not get the prompt again |
| 23:06.44 | piklu | which asks for how it should be installed |
| 23:07.35 | Azrael_- | piklu: try dpkg-reconfigure your-proftpd-package |
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| 23:13.16 | aladds | would someone be able to tell me why I can't ping localhost, or access anything network related for that matter, as a user? root is fine |
| 23:13.30 | aladds | can't ping 127.0.0.1 either |
| 23:13.54 | aladds | I assume it's a permissions error, but I haven't the foggiest idea what's wrong... |
| 23:13.59 | dondelelcaro | aladds: ping isn't setuid root. |
| 23:14.41 | aladds | dondelelcaro: it's: -rwsr-xr-x root root |
| 23:14.44 | Chris___ | I accidentally deleted my /etc/motd on my server; is there any way to recover it? |
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| 23:15.13 | dondelelcaro | aladds: then there should be no difference between root and non-root, unless /bin is mounted nosuid. what does which ping; output? |
| 23:15.30 | aladds | socket: Permission denied |
| 23:15.44 | dondelelcaro | aladds: "which ping;", not ping. |
| 23:15.56 | aladds | oh sorry |
| 23:16.07 | dondelelcaro | aladds: or just: stat $(which ping)|grep Access|head -n1; |
| 23:16.14 | aladds | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.34 | aladds | Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/root) Gid: (0/root) |
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| 23:17.53 | dondelelcaro | aladds: and what does cat /proc/mtab; output? Is this system running selinux or something else? |
| 23:18.03 | dondelelcaro | aladds: err, cat /proc/mounts; |
| 23:18.07 | dondelelcaro | (use a paste site) |
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| 23:19.24 | Arrowmaster | usually if you cant ping localhost i would say to check ifconfig that you actually have a loopback |
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| 23:19.51 | aladds | Arrowmaster: I can't ping anhthing |
| 23:20.02 | aladds | s/anhthing/anything |
| 23:20.26 | aladds | dondelelcaro: Give me a second, it's a slow arm-based chap :) |
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| 23:20.39 | dondelelcaro | aladds: uh... is this actually running Debian? |
| 23:20.53 | aladds | dondelelcaro: Yes, yes it is. I installed it |
| 23:20.57 | dondelelcaro | cool |
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| 23:22.31 | aladds | It *was* a rootfs tarball concocted by someone else for a specific setup, so it's a bit barebones. I've found some other problems with it too (permissions on /tmp and /var), but I've fixed most of them. The problem is that installing isn't an option on this specific machine due to the fact that it's got a wierd disk setup. |
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| 23:23.29 | aladds | dondelelcaro: LggG02vK |
| 23:23.33 | aladds | oh, pastebin |
| 23:23.37 | aladds | :) |
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| 23:26.54 | dondelelcaro | aladds: hrm; ok, the only other thing I can think of is if you are using selinux, or you're running a custom kernel, or somehow something else is screwy |
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| 23:27.18 | aladds | There is a custom kernel, but surely that shouldn't mess with network access? |
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| 23:27.30 | aladds | selinux isn't installed |
| 23:27.31 | dondelelcaro | aladds: there all all kinds of ways that it can, actually |
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| 23:27.45 | aladds | the rtc is broken |
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| 23:28.39 | jeti | I removed start-stop-daemon. How do I get it back? |
| 23:28.50 | dondelelcaro | jeti: reinstall dpkg |
| 23:28.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell jeti -about search |
| 23:29.47 | jeti | with apt-get? |
| 23:29.58 | dondelelcaro | jeti: or aptitude, or dpkg, yes. |
| 23:30.08 | jeti | thx |
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| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | aladds: if a Debian kernel will work, try booting off of it, and see if that fixes the ping problem. If it doesn't, then there is something else; if it does, you've identified the problem. |
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| 23:34.09 | aladds | dondelelcaro: A regular Debian kernel won't work unfortunatly as there's no support for its chipset yet, I'll see if there's a newer kernel available though. Thanks! |
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| 23:38.48 | jeti | tried `apt-get install --reinstall dpkg' but sais start-stop-daemon is missing |
| 23:39.24 | jeti | s/saos |
| 23:39.38 | dondelelcaro | jeti: what says that? |
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| 23:40.43 | jeti | dpkg: »start-stop-daemon« not found in $PATH |
| 23:40.43 | dpkg | jeti: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 23:41.38 | dondelelcaro | jeti: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_<tab>; and see the output. |
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| 23:43.08 | dondelelcaro | jeti: actually, just aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-bad-path" reinstall dpkg; |
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| 23:45.27 | jeti | looks very good |
| 23:45.34 | jeti | thx |
| 23:46.33 | dondelelcaro | (the lesson from this is to not delete things at random) |
| 23:46.49 | jeti | yep |
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| 23:49.38 | dvs | why not? ;-) |
| 23:50.11 | tharkun | would rm -rf / take out the random part ? |
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| 23:54.32 | eldowan | tharkun: among other things, probably |
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