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| 00:03.51 | terron | How do I delete a network interface? |
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| 00:12.46 | joltcan | terron: have a look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:12.53 | joltcan | terron: and ifdown interface |
| 00:13.03 | joltcan | or rather, do that first, then remove it |
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| 00:13.23 | terron | I have it set to down and it isn't in /etc/network/interfaces, I'm looking into how to remove it now (hopefully along with all its routes) |
| 00:13.44 | joltcan | terron: ifconfig etx down |
| 00:14.03 | joltcan | ifup/down is a debian wrapper around ifconfig/route etc |
| 00:14.21 | terron | I already did that joltcan, it still shows up in routes and ifconfig -a |
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| 00:14.52 | joltcan | terron: ifconfig -a shows all hardware interfaces, but that doesn't mean that it is enabled |
| 00:15.06 | terron | it isn't a hardware interface, it's virtual |
| 00:15.18 | stew | terron: if it is down the routes that are associated it should have already been removed. if you want it to not show up in ifconfig -a, you'd have to remove the driver from the kernel |
| 00:15.50 | joltcan | terron: what kind of virtual? in a virtual machine? a vlan? |
| 00:15.55 | terron | ipv6 tunnel |
| 00:16.15 | joltcan | terron: Then you probably have a daemon that is the actual tunnel interface |
| 00:16.34 | huglester | guys, does it happen that anybody of you are using cacti. and after installation you get white screen when enter localhost/cacti? |
| 00:16.49 | terron | i ended up doing it through my router, so i dont need it anymore. but it seems to be conflicting with that system's ability to use ipv6 as my others can |
| 00:16.53 | joltcan | and you have etc/init.d/daemon down |
| 00:17.09 | joltcan | and then remove it with apt if you don't want it anymore |
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| 00:20.08 | terron | hm, ill look into that joltcan. thanks |
| 00:20.47 | joltcan | huglester: isn't that a php proggie? Sounds like you have some php errors and the page isn't displayed |
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| 00:22.43 | huglester | joltcan, ye it is. seems so... but tried echoing all the error, but still get the white page. will try digging |
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| 00:23.06 | joltcan | huglester: look at the webserver logfiles, and enable php logging if you can |
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| 01:42.18 | dvs | grumbles |
| 01:43.40 | wobblyonions | anyone here care to help with an expect issue at all on v 5.43 |
| 01:44.08 | wobblyonions | seems that in the new version nonblocking is broken and its broken my rancid :-( |
| 01:44.36 | [gnubie] | is there a kernel option that can be set in the /etc/sysctl.conf to automatically reboot a system when there is a continuous 100% cpu usage for at least a minute? i know there is for kernel panic and oom but i don't know yet for a full cpu usage. please advice. thank you. |
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| 01:48.01 | jef91 | Anyone know what this error means when building a .deb? [distclean-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 01:48.27 | Bushmills | [gnubie]: nope, but there is a desmon |
| 01:48.40 | Bushmills | daemon, monit, which can do that |
| 01:48.44 | simonrvn_ | jef91: not enough info. |
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| 01:50.09 | jef91 | simonrvn_ http://pastebin.com/7RqdRAW9 |
| 01:50.16 | jef91 | Full dump output when it crashes ^ |
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| 01:50.50 | simonrvn | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 01:51.04 | simonrvn | broken makefile, i'd say |
| 01:51.39 | jef91 | hrm |
| 01:51.43 | jef91 | oh svn snapshots |
| 01:51.48 | simonrvn | there's no distclean target defined |
| 01:52.01 | jef91 | How do I define that? |
| 01:52.37 | simonrvn | i don't bother usually, but if you want to patch it for a package, add one |
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| 01:52.51 | simonrvn | google it |
| 01:53.32 | [gnubie] | Bushmills: what daemons do you have in mind? |
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| 01:58.59 | rpgdude | im trying to configure less to go back one screen when pressing backspace, but its not working |
| 01:59.06 | rpgdude | i created a lesskey file |
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| 02:16.21 | wobblyonions | anyone able tohelp with a cvs web issues, files are updated but the web gui is not showing them as being updated, seems to have been left behind so to speak |
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| 02:21.07 | karlpinc | wobblyonions: That sounds more browser related, as if your browser is caching the pages. |
| 02:21.31 | wobblyonions | nope its not that tried on various browsers and on different PC's |
| 02:21.41 | rpgdude | i think i found a bug in debian or less |
| 02:21.54 | jordanm | !tell rpgdude about bts |
| 02:22.49 | karlpinc | rpgdude: Unless you're really up on things you want to submit bugs to Debian and let the experts talk with upstream. |
| 02:23.28 | karlpinc | wobblyonions: And the web logs are no help? |
| 02:23.32 | wobblyonions | nope |
| 02:23.41 | wobblyonions | its a cvs thing not a bropwer thing |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | wobblyonions: look for a cron task that perhaps updates something ? |
| 02:24.36 | karlpinc | abrotman: (Yeah, but what? You'd think the webserver would get it's stuff straight from the cvs repo, unless it's somehow pointing at the wrong one.) |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | well, like uhm .. some of the log analyzers only go once per day/hour/etc |
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| 02:26.04 | apineda | if im on a desktop do i still need acpid? |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | you probalby want it |
| 02:27.22 | apineda | to handle my power button? |
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| 02:28.39 | queso | What should my /etc/apt/sources.list look like in squeeze for all the standard repositories? |
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| 02:29.20 | dvs | queso: you need the backported kernel first |
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| 02:32.05 | abrotman | he does? |
| 02:32.16 | queso | lost me there. |
| 02:32.44 | dvs | queso: did you already upgrade? |
| 02:33.00 | queso | dvs: It's a fresh install |
| 02:33.10 | dvs | queso: ah, sorry |
| 02:33.14 | queso | dvs: no prob :) |
| 02:33.32 | dvs | queso: you can pastebin it and we can have a look. |
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| 02:34.24 | queso | dvs: I'm re-installing again -- this time I'll get the latest from the Internet, the .iso is about a month old |
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| 02:35.17 | dvs | queso: if it's already installed, then you can just update from the Internet. |
| 02:35.56 | stew | dpkg: squeeze sources.list is <reply>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" where CC is your country code, Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:35.56 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 02:36.37 | queso | dvs: the only repositories listed were for security. |
| 02:37.07 | dvs | queso: ah, here's what I have: |
| 02:37.29 | dvs | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 02:37.50 | dvs | you'll probably have to substitute "ca" with your country |
| 02:38.21 | queso | dvs: ooh, so ordinarily, there are only two entries listed: security and ftp.cc ? |
| 02:38.37 | dvs | queso: yes |
| 02:38.49 | queso | dvs: That simplifies things -- okay, thanks for your help |
| 02:38.53 | dvs | np |
| 02:41.35 | apineda | i want to try enlightenment, and flux box, but i dont want pain especially if i want to revert back to metacity :( |
| 02:41.53 | queso | apineda: try it in a virtual machine |
| 02:42.21 | apineda | i dont know about that |
| 02:42.23 | apineda | my computer is slow |
| 02:42.37 | apineda | ill just have to upgrade sooner |
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| 02:43.26 | queso | apineda: doesn't hurt to try. use virtualbox-ose. if you don't like it, remove the package and delete ~/.VirtualBox |
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| 02:46.51 | zz5-ux | can someone let me know if ssh is listening on elitter.net ? or looks to be down |
| 02:47.27 | botmind | Hi. I have successfully installed Debian on a flash drive. But when I try to boot from it, the pc just freezes at the state where it is about to check the bootable devices |
| 02:48.17 | zz5-ux | try pressing ESC when the bios boot shows, you may get a boot device listing. it sounds like you may have not created the usb stick correctly |
| 02:48.35 | botmind | Even if 1st priority is CD/DVD and the second is USB, it does not even show the message like:: Checking for bootable CD.. just freezes before this part |
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| 02:48.57 | botmind | hmm |
| 02:49.55 | botmind | but are there any options? I've just burned a Debian ISO, made an installation on the USB drive and of course installed GRUB loader there.. |
| 02:50.53 | botmind | and I've done these for 2 times with different distributions - same result |
| 02:51.19 | zz5-ux | there are other steps you need to do for a flash drive, its not the same as a cdrom method |
| 02:51.41 | zz5-ux | here is an example, i have not tested the instructions on this page.. http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
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| 02:52.25 | iszak | So I'm running debian five and when I apt-get update it has 404's how to resolve these? |
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| 02:53.04 | dvs | iszak: use another site? |
| 02:53.04 | botmind | zz5-ux: thx.. but I am trying to install the whole system on a flash drive, not just the distro |
| 02:53.19 | zz5-ux | ok i'm not too sure of that. |
| 02:53.22 | iszak | dvs, i meant more so how to change the sources? |
| 02:53.36 | dvs | iszak: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:53.56 | iszak | where can I get another sources list? |
| 02:54.16 | dvs | iszak: chances are you just have to change two letters |
| 02:55.41 | dvs | iszak: oh wait, the US mirror has been having some trouble lately. |
| 02:56.09 | dvs | (specifically mirrors.kernel.org) |
| 02:56.09 | iszak | success. |
| 02:56.22 | iszak | thanks dvs. |
| 02:56.27 | iszak | it's a de server. |
| 02:56.31 | dvs | np |
| 02:57.36 | iszak | still getting it actually =x |
| 02:57.43 | iszak | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 02:58.28 | iszak | my fault i think, h/o |
| 02:59.04 | dvs | iszak: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 02:59.31 | epsilon | or the country mirror of it |
| 02:59.39 | dvs | is there a non-free part for security? |
| 03:01.50 | iszak | okay moving to my next issue.. |
| 03:01.51 | epsilon | good question... check out the index file |
| 03:02.00 | iszak | locale isn't set, how to set it? |
| 03:02.07 | epsilon | locales |
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| 03:02.23 | iszak | pardon? |
| 03:02.27 | dvs | iszak: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:02.33 | iszak | doesn't work |
| 03:02.43 | iszak | sorry let me explain why. |
| 03:03.06 | iszak | now resolved apt-get install locales solved it :) |
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| 03:05.31 | iszak | dvs, epsilon sorry if I wasted your time, thanks for your help. |
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| 04:30.55 | Bel_P | Hello |
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| 04:43.25 | Bel_P | I am looking into running debian on a eee pc netbook. Is there a specific version I should look up, or just grab a 5x image? |
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| 04:45.06 | dvs | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 04:45.57 | Bel_P | Thanks for the link. |
| 04:46.02 | dvs | np |
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| 05:25.58 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who has experience with Linux and USB ISDN interfaces? |
| 05:26.51 | HardDisk_WP | i need one which can be used together with a sound card so I can do voice calls over the sound card, and I also want to be able to send and recieve faxes |
| 05:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | want to turn my good old NSLU into a ISDN call answering / fax machine |
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| 05:38.56 | RobbieThe1st | Got a little harddisk question: I'm currently struggling with a couple of bad blocks not wanting to reallocate, and am thinking that the "ARRE and AWRE bits in the read-write error recovery mode page" may have been cleared(got the drive used) - How can I check? |
| 05:39.21 | RobbieThe1st | (Note - found that bit about those bits on the smartmontools bad blocks howto page) |
| 05:40.19 | mwallacesd | Hi all |
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| 05:41.31 | mwallacesd | after run dpkg-reconfigure locales the system is returning that the locales package is not installed, and is advising /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed too... |
| 05:42.51 | mwallacesd | I was already reinstall debconf and modified /etc/enviroment and /etc/default/locale but it did not work... |
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| 06:00.23 | skilz | I want to stretch my desktop across 2 monitors, how can I do this? I am using Nvidia Geforce Galaxy 210 1gb... |
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| 06:05.39 | karlpinc | skilz: It's something to do with xrandr, or randr. |
| 06:05.43 | karlpinc | !xrandr |
| 06:05.43 | dpkg | methinks xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 06:06.13 | skilz | no command line!!!! |
| 06:06.16 | skilz | GUI plz |
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| 06:06.46 | karlpinc | skilz: The wiki page can be accessed from a gui web browser. After that you're on your own. |
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| 06:09.28 | karlpinc | skilz: You could also poke about the gnome sysadm stuff. It might be in there. |
| 06:10.09 | skilz | ok cheers |
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| 06:34.19 | frewsxcv | what is the difference between sites-enabled and sites-available for apache config? |
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| 06:36.51 | LoneShadow | Anyone running Lenny Amd64 (2.6.32.x) as Xen Guests? |
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| 06:57.00 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: enabled means live and work, available means could be working if you use a2enable to enable them. |
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| 06:58.11 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: a2ensite I mean, not a2enable |
| 07:00.21 | frewsxcv | jmarsden: thanks |
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| 07:00.35 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: You're welcome. |
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| 07:15.43 | sysfault | is there a mkinitrd pkg available for lenny? |
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| 07:19.21 | simonrvn | initramfs-tools |
| 07:19.43 | lansink | oki |
| 07:20.22 | lansink | i know this aint squeeze but why does apt-get wanna install conkeror with centerim? :) |
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| 07:22.49 | nVee | Hey guys. I am running ubuntu but have gotten to the point that I would rather run windows than this piece of crap. I need a OS *preferrably linux* which can run a simple testing server (LAMP) but with the exception that I need the /var/www folder to have full write permission (777) to all the files within it, all the time. We have about 14 people working off the folder and everytime someone... |
| 07:22.51 | nVee | ...creates a new file we have to first manually go and change the permissions |
| 07:22.55 | nVee | is this possible with debian? |
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| 07:23.56 | lansink | mm |
| 07:24.06 | lansink | nVee: set umask for everyone to 002 :) |
| 07:24.14 | lansink | and add them all in /etc/passwd to the same group |
| 07:24.23 | lansink | aka all have gid 1000 or so |
| 07:24.27 | lansink | ugly way but it works |
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| 07:25.31 | lansink | nVee: but that is also possible with ubuntu |
| 07:25.39 | lansink | nVee: any linux you choose can do that |
| 07:26.04 | lansink | nVee: if you find ubuntu a piece of crap I would guess you find debian a piece of almost usable junk |
| 07:26.37 | lansink | nVee: they are not that different ubuntu and debian |
| 07:26.50 | nVee | i see |
| 07:26.53 | nVee | the think is just |
| 07:26.55 | nVee | support |
| 07:27.09 | nVee | cause most people must assume someone asking a question have NO IDEA how to do it :) |
| 07:27.10 | lansink | anyway, you would accomplish what you asked for with setting default umask to 002 changing the default group they write with to the same aka gid 1000 |
| 07:27.16 | nVee | i mean it sounds stupid i guess |
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| 07:27.32 | nVee | I have now been struggling for just under a month to get this to work |
| 07:27.43 | lansink | well |
| 07:27.44 | nVee | now I am spending most of my day changing file permissions for the developers |
| 07:27.49 | lansink | easy way to do it |
| 07:28.00 | lansink | wipw as root |
| 07:28.23 | lansink | change all all the fourth values to the same for your developers |
| 07:28.29 | lansink | i would greate a new group first |
| 07:28.33 | lansink | then change all gids to that |
| 07:28.38 | lansink | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 07:28.43 | lansink | gah |
| 07:28.44 | lansink | sorry |
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| 07:29.00 | ansgar | nVee: Hire somebody who is supposed to know how to do this if you don't know yourself. ;) |
| 07:29.06 | lansink | then since you have ubuntu they dont read the /etc/profiel well they do but they overwrite it :) |
| 07:29.07 | nVee | haha hells yeah |
| 07:29.16 | lansink | so change all .profiles to se umask 002 |
| 07:29.28 | nVee | even this is complete greek to me |
| 07:29.29 | nVee | :) |
| 07:29.37 | nVee | I have to be honest |
| 07:29.39 | lansink | then you have the wrong os in your hands :) |
| 07:29.47 | lansink | sorry but this is quite basic |
| 07:29.53 | nVee | I think its just best to cancel this linux idea in my mind :) |
| 07:29.54 | ansgar | lansink: Which will result in *all* files being writable by all users? |
| 07:29.58 | lansink | it is super ugly stuff too but it works |
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| 07:30.04 | lansink | ansgar: no thats 000 |
| 07:30.22 | lansink | ansgar: they will get g+rw u+rw and o+r |
| 07:30.29 | ansgar | lansink: And if all files are owned by the same group, 000 and 002 are not that different... |
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| 07:30.39 | lansink | ansgar: well just his developers |
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| 07:31.05 | ansgar | lansink: Including files in their home directory... Which is not what you want. |
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| 07:31.24 | lansink | ansgar: that they create afterwards yes |
| 07:31.41 | lansink | ansgar: not before the gid change but well, as I said, ugly but it solves his first issue |
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| 07:31.59 | lansink | ansgar: you might have better solution |
| 07:32.30 | nVee | hmmm |
| 07:32.41 | nVee | well, if I can give a simple rundown of how things work currently? |
| 07:33.05 | nVee | I know this isnt ubuntu support, but hell you appear to have given me more knowledge than 27 days in #ubuntu |
| 07:33.09 | ansgar | Two possible solutions: a) chmod g+s /a/directory → all new files and directories in /a/directory are owned by the directory's group instead of the default group, b) ACLs. |
| 07:33.28 | nVee | Really, I dont care how the hack works. Even if everyone accesses /var/www as a shared folder |
| 07:33.34 | lansink | ansgar: true your a) is the best I would use |
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| 07:33.54 | ansgar | With ACLs, you don't even have to care about the umask value as well. |
| 07:33.57 | nVee | infact, lets say thats the idea. I want /var/www to be a shared folder and full permission to anyone (even guests) to write/read/live in the channel |
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| 07:38.12 | lansink | nVee: go with ansgars A for easy fix and B if you want to read up on ACLs |
| 07:38.44 | ansgar | nVee: man setfacl (it's in the package acl) |
| 07:40.11 | lansink | nVee: groupadd www-devel && chown root.www-devel /var/www && chmod g+s /var/www || cl00p! |
| 07:41.42 | lansink | perhaps g+rsw |
| 07:41.46 | lansink | well coffee now anyway |
| 07:42.27 | jelly-home | cl00p: command not found |
| 07:43.09 | lansink | jelly-home: 000ps! |
| 07:43.22 | lansink | nVee: you still need to change umask with the A solution |
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| 07:43.57 | lansink | nVee: so perhaps do as ansgar suggested and read up on acl if you do not want to change all users .profile then again you could change one and then just copy it :) |
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| 07:44.29 | nVee | haha |
| 07:44.44 | zvrk | nVee, if you want to be administrator you need to read any unix / linux books and learn it is not possible to be admin be lazy |
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| 07:44.59 | nVee | okay |
| 07:45.00 | nVee | let me see what I can come up with |
| 07:45.00 | nVee | its just bad, and apart from the obvious security issue |
| 07:45.14 | nVee | that linux doesnt have a simpler way to just give a shared folder full write permission to whoever uses it |
| 07:45.31 | lansink | well it does |
| 07:45.35 | lansink | if you know how to |
| 07:45.45 | nVee | let me rephrase |
| 07:45.52 | nVee | when I say simple, I say windows simple ;) |
| 07:45.55 | lansink | it's just that there is no easy gui way of clicking to make it happen |
| 07:46.08 | nVee | as you can probably derive, i have been a windows users for many years :) |
| 07:46.13 | lansink | aye windows simple :) reboot if something seems funky :) |
| 07:46.17 | nVee | off course :) |
| 07:46.21 | zvrk | nVee, what version you using of ubuntu |
| 07:46.27 | nVee | desktop |
| 07:46.32 | nVee | 10.5 i thin |
| 07:46.34 | nVee | latest version |
| 07:46.48 | lansink | nVee: well we here have been linux users for a few years, it does take practice to know linux/unix as well as windows. |
| 07:47.01 | nVee | off course |
| 07:47.06 | nVee | that I understand :) |
| 07:47.07 | zvrk | nVee, lol you dont know |
| 07:47.36 | zvrk | nVee, you have 10.4 or 10.10 |
| 07:48.02 | nVee | 10.10 |
| 07:48.07 | zvrk | nVee, you using server ? |
| 07:48.08 | nVee | my bad |
| 07:48.17 | nVee | no, desktop (i played it smart) |
| 07:48.29 | nVee | well i thought i did |
| 07:48.43 | zvrk | nVee, how you become admin in |
| 07:48.45 | nVee | but i realised it was going to be one big ass leap from windows 7 to ubuntu server |
| 07:48.51 | nVee | figured the gui would help a bit |
| 07:49.11 | nVee | zvrk: i dont understand? |
| 07:49.36 | zvrk | nVee, with that ubuntu you are set just custom user |
| 07:49.57 | zvrk | nVee, you need to be admin |
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| 07:50.06 | nVee | well with terminal |
| 07:50.25 | nVee | i usually just use the sudo command to do admin configs |
| 07:50.31 | zvrk | nVee, are you root |
| 07:50.32 | nVee | but i dont know the commands that well :) |
| 07:50.44 | nVee | only root when i use sudo |
| 07:50.54 | zvrk | no |
| 07:51.05 | nVee | i dont think my user is set to global admin / root |
| 07:51.14 | nVee | sorry, im not familiar with the proper lingo of linux :) |
| 07:51.19 | nVee | i am however, as you can see, trying :) |
| 07:51.23 | zvrk | nVee, that is your problem |
| 07:51.37 | nVee | well true |
| 07:51.47 | zvrk | nVee, you need to be admin |
| 07:51.54 | nVee | i mean in no way am I denying that my linux skills in general is about 0.2% |
| 07:52.01 | nVee | okay |
| 07:52.11 | nVee | That sounds great, but now, how do I do that? |
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| 07:52.59 | zvrk | nVee, thta find good unix / linux book and read and learn --- read manuals etc |
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| 07:53.21 | nVee | okay |
| 07:53.24 | nVee | well for now |
| 07:53.35 | nVee | ill try to find a answer online :) |
| 07:53.41 | zvrk | nVee, only way |
| 07:54.53 | zvrk | nVee, when you find way you will be stack because you need a lot more skills |
| 07:55.41 | zvrk | nVee, learn first about structure linux /unix |
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| 08:09.59 | nVee | lansink: |
| 08:10.06 | nVee | I am trying the umask option |
| 08:10.10 | nVee | by doing sudo echo "session optional pam_umask.so umask=002" >> /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 08:10.15 | nVee | but i get a permission denied |
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| 08:14.41 | prince_jammys | sudo sh -c 'echo "blah" >> /etc/blah' |
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| 08:19.18 | lansink | nVee: or echo "gurka" | sudo tee -a <file> |
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| 08:21.02 | nVee | lansink |
| 08:21.05 | nVee | perfect |
| 08:21.07 | nVee | i got it to work |
| 08:21.13 | nVee | 1 question I have tho |
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| 08:22.34 | nVee | i changed the umask to 000 |
| 08:22.53 | nVee | but that only applies to users within the usergroup who owns that folder correct? |
| 08:23.00 | quiritius | people, please check this: trying to install another kernel results in a /boot/vmlinuz-(name) containing only the following text: "export CC=4.3 as recommended..." the kernel, natuarally, does not load. |
| 08:23.14 | nVee | but i find that when we access the shared folder from a win box, it doesnt ask for a username and password |
| 08:23.22 | nVee | so I access the folder as "nobody" i guess? |
| 08:23.30 | nVee | so the user permissions does not apply |
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| 08:27.55 | sheldonh | ugh, wrong #debian :) |
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| 08:38.32 | boudiccas | I've just installed debian on my laptop and now want to install KDE, but which dvd is it on please? |
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| 08:39.44 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 08:39.58 | Bartzy | How can I return 404 for all 'CVS' directories in my webroot ? |
| 08:40.14 | Bartzy | I use DirectoryMatch to 'deny all' but it returns 403. I want to return 404. (apache) |
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| 08:43.33 | ethanol | Bartzy, #httpd |
| 08:43.39 | Bartzy | oh thanks |
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| 08:56.05 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 08:57.22 | kibibyte | i have directory called repo: drwxrws--- 13 csv developers 4096 2011-01-11 16:13 repo , the problem is im logged as user who belongs to group developers but i have permisson denied when i want to enter to directory why ? |
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| 09:00.12 | tvm | kibibyte: chmod g+x repo |
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| 09:05.23 | kibibyte | tvm |
| 09:05.27 | kibibyte | bartos@bartos-desktop:~/test_cvs$ sudo chmod g+x repo |
| 09:05.27 | kibibyte | bartos@bartos-desktop:~/test_cvs$ ls repo |
| 09:05.27 | kibibyte | ls: cannot open directory repo: Permission denied |
| 09:06.29 | kibibyte | Access: (2770/drwxrws---) Uid: ( 1005/ csv) Gid: ( 1006/developers) |
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| 09:07.27 | Arrowmaster | are you that user or in that group? |
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| 09:08.22 | Arrowmaster | remember you must logout and back in after adding yourself to a group |
| 09:08.23 | kibibyte | bartos@bartos-desktop:~/test_cvs$ id bartos |
| 09:08.23 | kibibyte | uid=1000(bartos) gid=1000(bartos) groups=1000(bartos),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),115(admin),120(sambashare),130(libvirtd),1004(cvs),1006(developers |
| 09:08.34 | kibibyte | hmm |
| 09:08.52 | kibibyte | Arrowmaster, i just opened new xterm |
| 09:09.02 | kibibyte | maybe i need to relogin |
| 09:09.27 | kibibyte | ohh ok |
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| 09:09.36 | kibibyte | thx Arrowmaster now it wrks |
| 09:10.02 | Arrowmaster | next time just use `id` without any arguments to get your current settings |
| 09:10.23 | kibibyte | ok |
| 09:10.26 | Arrowmaster | guessing by adding the user name it looked it up instead of using whats currently in effect |
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| 10:14.57 | jelly | which kernel config enables existance of /proc/PID/io ? |
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| 10:18.05 | poppiez | hi, I want to mount a newly purchased harddrive to /var/www/. how can I do so? should I remove /var/www/ mount the harddrive to /var/www/ and then copy the stuff to /var/www/ that I want? |
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| 10:18.36 | raz0 | That'll work. |
| 10:18.41 | tvm | copy the content of the folder elsewhere, mount the harddrive and copy it back. |
| 10:19.21 | poppiez | tvm: can I copy the contents of /var/www/ to the harddrive on a temporary mount folder, then mount to /var/www/ and it will automatically overwrite it? |
| 10:19.47 | poppiez | tvm: we have a live site so we need the smoothest transition |
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| 10:21.04 | tvm | it should work that way. |
| 10:21.11 | tvm | you can mount "over" existing folders, iirc. |
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| 10:21.40 | Arrowmaster | if you dont delete the content from the old /var/www before mounting the new drive to /var/www it will continue to take up the space on the old drive |
| 10:22.03 | tvm | yes, but it will be "invisible" |
| 10:22.37 | poppiez | Arrowmaster: so I should take apache down, move the contents of /var/www/ to a temporary just in case backup folder, mount new harddrive (with the content I want) to /var/www/ and put apache back up? |
| 10:23.19 | Arrowmaster | do the files get altered by apache? |
| 10:23.40 | poppiez | Arrowmaster: nope |
| 10:23.42 | Arrowmaster | if they dont you can wait to take it down until you are at the point of deleting the old /var/www |
| 10:24.10 | Arrowmaster | just copy then take down apache and delete |
| 10:24.33 | Arrowmaster | since the copy could take a while depending on how much there is |
| 10:25.10 | huglester | poppiez, stop apache, mv /var/www to /var/www_old; mkdir /var/www; mount new drive to /var/www, copy content ov /var/www_old to /var/www (make sure you copy with right permiossions); start apache |
| 10:26.11 | poppiez | huglester: thanks. however, I probably should, like Arrowmaster said, copy the stuff from old /var/www/ to the new harddrive first |
| 10:26.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah make sure permissions and ownership are correct |
| 10:27.00 | Arrowmaster | and if you copy first youve got extra time to check all that stuff before taking down apache |
| 10:28.00 | poppiez | Arrowmaster: yeah, cp -Rp right? that will preserve permissions |
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| 10:28.10 | lestat | hi all |
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| 10:28.51 | lestat | i'd look to know the compilation option used to compile old php release (in sarge and etch), any idea where i could find this information ? |
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| 10:30.34 | Arrowmaster | poppiez: yeah that should work (as root) |
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| 10:32.35 | poppiez | Arrowmaster: great. thank you all. now I feel more confident in changing the harddrive |
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| 10:33.18 | SPF | ifconfig should show the total amount of TX and RX, but the total is incorrect. Does someone know a more reliable way of keeping track of total amount TX/RX ? |
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| 10:38.57 | Trewas | SPF: do you mean incorrect because the byte-values wrap around, or something else? |
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| 10:40.04 | SPF | Trewas: byte-values wrap around? |
| 10:41.50 | Trewas | SPF: they are 32bit integers (with 32bit kernels), so they wrap around every 4GB |
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| 10:42.25 | SPF | so after 4GB it's reset to 0? |
| 10:43.03 | Trewas | yeah |
| 10:43.46 | SPF | ah, so I could write a script to keep track of it, thx |
| 10:43.58 | discozohan | where different daemon ( nginx, httpd, mysql, mongodb ) are supposed to be on dedicated server with 1 site ? |
| 10:44.06 | discozohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.08 | petern_ | iptables doesn't wrap at 4GB |
| 10:44.13 | petern_ | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 4279M packets, 303G bytes) |
| 10:44.13 | discozohan | daemons* |
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| 10:50.18 | daemonkeeper | discozohan: You can run as much daemons as you want on your site. You might be happy with that or not, depending on your load. |
| 10:50.32 | daemonkeeper | I don't see a reason to run nginx AND Apache though |
| 10:51.01 | discozohan | apache for svn, only |
| 10:51.15 | emery | Having some trouble connecting wireless-ly to my network through fluxbox .. for some reason wicd wont connect while in fluxbox and it wont connect through command line (iwconfig) |
| 10:52.24 | daemonkeeper | discozohan: You can run svnserve standalone |
| 10:52.45 | discozohan | daemonkeeper: hmm, what you mean ? |
| 10:53.04 | discozohan | nvm, google will help me |
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| 10:53.58 | daemonkeeper | No reason to use Apache for SVN (only). Use svnserve http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.serverconfig.svnserve.html |
| 10:54.21 | daemonkeeper | Or no dedicated server at all, SSH works too. |
| 10:56.50 | discozohan | oh, great, i see ;) thanks |
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| 11:18.59 | szonek | i have lenny, how can i remove thermal ACPI module from loading every boot? |
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| 11:33.18 | boudiccas | a noob question here, i;ve d/l the update dvd and want to update my newly installed debian 507. but how please? |
| 11:33.46 | boudiccas | I;m used to using CentOS 5.5 so debian is completely new to me |
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| 11:35.50 | boudiccas | or can anyone give me an url which will help em get going?? |
| 11:35.59 | boudiccas | *me |
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| 11:39.21 | amee2k | how do i tell the Debian Live CD to use the plain vesa driver for X11? |
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| 11:39.49 | amee2k | i'm trying to boot it on a system with an ati video card |
| 11:40.08 | Shadow` | vesa? u sure? |
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| 11:40.28 | amee2k | yeap, kinda |
| 11:40.45 | amee2k | well, provided that it works at all. which would be an improvement |
| 11:41.05 | Shadow` | if u got an ati, why not use fglrx? |
| 11:41.21 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:41.56 | Shadow` | and u can try by editting the xorg.conf and ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 11:41.56 | amee2k | i only need it for pulling some data off the system before i reinstall it. not for gaming |
| 11:42.00 | simonrvn | he's having a problem with the ati driver and you tell him to use something unstable? |
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| 11:42.28 | Shadow` | fglrx runs more then fine on the systems i use/tested it on, better then vesa, radeon or w/e is set as default |
| 11:42.29 | amee2k | Shadow`: the display is for some weird reason split in three columns, and the right one is duplicated on the middle one |
| 11:42.51 | amee2k | and when i switch to a virtual terminal or just wait a few minutes the driver freezes the box |
| 11:43.02 | amee2k | thats what ati drivers normally do |
| 11:43.04 | Shadow` | you can try different drivers by editing xorg.conf amee2k, can try a few different ones, they do perform differently depending on GFX card |
| 11:43.38 | Shadow` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.51 | amee2k | i know where it is, but i don't see how i can get there |
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| 11:44.03 | Shadow` | oh |
| 11:44.04 | Shadow` | tty? |
| 11:44.05 | amee2k | it seems to ignore adding "2" to the boot prompt |
| 11:44.17 | amee2k | if i try to switch away from X it freezes |
| 11:44.24 | Shadow` | cant start in recovery/single user mode? |
| 11:44.38 | amee2k | its Debian Live and the "failsafe" option still loads X |
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| 11:44.47 | Shadow` | not failsafe |
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| 11:44.58 | amee2k | what else? |
| 11:45.21 | Shadow` | the list where u can select failsafe, iirc has something like 'netboot, start commandline blabla with networking' |
| 11:45.28 | amee2k | it only has Live, Live (failsafe), memtest and something unrelated |
| 11:45.38 | Shadow` | hmm |
| 11:46.04 | Shadow` | when u start up in X, cant u ctrl+alt+f1? |
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| 11:46.19 | amee2k | yes. thats what i meant by switch to virtual terminal |
| 11:46.22 | Shadow` | and just kill gdm/X before the window manager stuff crashes? |
| 11:46.41 | amee2k | yeah, boot menu only has live, live failsafe, memtest and "help" |
| 11:46.52 | amee2k | how do i do that? |
| 11:47.04 | simonrvn | amee2k: tried video=vesafb ? |
| 11:47.15 | simonrvn | boot option |
| 11:47.19 | Shadow` | im sorry, had lots of GFX issues myself, thought i could help, but doubt can help here =p |
| 11:47.23 | amee2k | lemme try |
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| 11:48.09 | amee2k | http://ompldr.org/vNnlkYw/cimg6655b.jpg << thats what it looks like btw |
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| 11:48.32 | amee2k | and when it freezes it usually looks like it tried to allocate the frame buffer memory for something else |
| 11:48.34 | simonrvn | maybe the livecd has an option to disable starting x.... checked the docs? |
| 11:48.41 | amee2k | somewhere between white noise and gibberish |
| 11:49.03 | amee2k | simonrvn: i'm booting with that video= option now |
| 11:49.38 | simonrvn | driver or device issue, probably former |
| 11:49.59 | amee2k | most certainly driver issue since it works perfectly up until the point where X loads |
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| 11:50.27 | amee2k | and the installed linux mint system works up until the login prompt (but i can't log in because the password is missing... hence the live cd) |
| 11:51.16 | simonrvn | can't reset the password? :) |
| 11:51.17 | amee2k | simonrvn: didn't work. same issue again :/ |
| 11:51.30 | simonrvn | *shrug* too bad. |
| 11:51.34 | simonrvn | !ifrp |
| 11:51.34 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 11:51.41 | amee2k | met me try killing X |
| 11:51.59 | Shadow` | only find x-window-less debian live, if you compiled your own live-cd |
| 11:52.00 | Shadow` | lol |
| 11:52.06 | Shadow` | but im a noob |
| 11:52.09 | simonrvn | or just boot to init 1 |
| 11:52.29 | boudiccas | i;ve d/l the update dvd and want to update my newly installed debian 507. but how please? can anyone help a debian noob??? |
| 11:52.49 | Shadow` | update? run synaptic? |
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| 11:53.20 | Shadow` | update your distro by chaning the version of your OS in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:53.21 | simonrvn | boudiccas: if you installed it then you just run aptitude -u (starts up the ui after running an update) |
| 11:53.24 | amee2k | bah, killing x from an xterm screws it up too |
| 11:53.54 | Shadow` | aptitude upgrade, iirc |
| 11:53.56 | simonrvn | i've seen ati card have issues with vt switching mine did until about a year ago. |
| 11:54.13 | simonrvn | cards*, and insert a comma somewhere ... |
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| 11:54.38 | Shadow` | maybe try the unstable fglrx simonrvn ;) |
| 11:54.43 | simonrvn | amee2k: what's the kernel version on that, and Xorg too? |
| 11:55.06 | amee2k | simonrvn: its the DDebian Live cd. whatever it is using |
| 11:55.22 | simonrvn | i don't need fglrx, and it wouldn't run here anyway. and why would i run something closed source when the open driver works for everything anyway? |
| 11:55.39 | simonrvn | amee2k: i'm asking you, i don't know what it has. |
| 11:55.48 | boudiccas | simonrvn, thanks, i;ll give it a try |
| 11:56.07 | amee2k | mmmh, i'm in the init=/bin/sh prompt |
| 11:56.15 | amee2k | kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 11:56.28 | amee2k | no idea what X version it has |
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| 11:56.50 | simonrvn | boudiccas: the ui allows you to search (so does the cli), install/remove stuff. has a help too. |
| 11:57.06 | amee2k | how do i do this boot only to init 1 thing? |
| 11:57.09 | y0m6uy | is away: Indisponible actuellement |
| 11:57.15 | simonrvn | amee2k: hm, that version is suspect... i think it still had that vt switch bug. |
| 11:57.24 | simonrvn | !tell y0m6uy -about away |
| 11:57.46 | amee2k | it ignored me appending "2" to the init prompt too |
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| 11:58.09 | amee2k | ati drivers are suspect, and usually guilty as charged</rant> |
| 11:58.13 | simonrvn | init 2 is the default |
| 11:58.19 | amee2k | ooh 0.0 |
| 11:58.28 | simonrvn | amee2k: not anymore, not for me anyway. |
| 11:58.29 | amee2k | i thought X usually only starts for 3 and up |
| 11:58.41 | simonrvn | nope. that's rhel and friends. |
| 11:58.47 | amee2k | lol |
| 11:58.51 | simonrvn | besides, they do gui on 5 |
| 11:58.56 | amee2k | my first linux was suse lol |
| 11:59.04 | amee2k | like, 7.3 or so |
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| 11:59.12 | simonrvn | debian lets you play with the runlevels |
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| 11:59.46 | amee2k | i used to rape suse runlevels until i get what i wanted anyway |
| 11:59.53 | simonrvn | a recent xorg helps too... is there a squeeze-based livecd? |
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| 12:00.51 | amee2k | not that i noticed |
| 12:01.10 | simonrvn | amee2k: try this http://live.debian.net/cdimage/squeeze-builds/ |
| 12:01.21 | simonrvn | bah, 404 |
| 12:01.28 | amee2k | booting to init 1 worked :) |
| 12:01.32 | amee2k | i've got a shell |
| 12:01.37 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 12:01.58 | simonrvn | there *is* http://live.debian.net/cdimage/monthly-builds/squeeze/current/ |
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| 12:02.38 | simonrvn | i like what they did with the dir index |
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| 12:05.16 | y0m6uy | is back. |
| 12:06.09 | amee2k | is hungry |
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| 12:08.08 | amee2k | simonrvn: woot, it worked. i added Driver "vesa" to the video card's section in xorg.conf and started gdm |
| 12:08.42 | amee2k | personally i'd nominate that the auto detection selects the vesa driver for ati cards anyway |
| 12:09.02 | simonrvn | nice |
| 12:10.03 | amee2k | thanks a lot, simonrvn and Shadow` |
| 12:12.46 | amee2k | mmmh, ext4 doesn't mount as ext3 eh? |
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| 12:17.01 | Shadow` | np, eventho my help was off little value |
| 12:17.48 | Shadow` | and vesa driver works worse then debians default driver on a few systems with ATI i fixed the gfx drivers too |
| 12:17.56 | Shadow` | for |
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| 12:21.49 | SkiLZ | amee2k, My first linux was Slackware |
| 12:24.06 | amee2k | hehe |
| 12:24.34 | amee2k | i started with suse because we didn't have internet at home, and pressed suse cds were easily available |
| 12:24.57 | SkiLZ | I had a 33.6k modem ^_^ |
| 12:25.21 | SPF | !ot |
| 12:25.21 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 12:25.22 | amee2k | when we finally got a sucky adsl line, i started looking around and tried a bunch of distros, finally settling on mostly debian and derivates |
| 12:26.36 | SkiLZ | SPF, Just trying to keep the channel active mate. No need to get your knickers in a knot... |
| 12:26.51 | amee2k | eh, thats normal here |
| 12:27.37 | SkiLZ | amee2k, can I /notice you? |
| 12:28.20 | amee2k | mmmh, i've got +g on |
| 12:28.32 | amee2k | try it now |
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| 12:30.33 | slysir | w splith |
| 12:31.04 | abrotman | SkiLZ: a channel with 900+ people doesn't need offtopic chatter .. take it to #debian-offtopic, thank you |
| 12:31.28 | abrotman | SkiLZ: and the conversation you're having is exactly what #debian-offtopic is intended for |
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| 12:40.19 | pielgrzym | hi, can I somehow configure debian to add defined dotfiles (.vimrc, .zshrc, .tmux.conf) uppond useradd to his newly created home? |
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| 12:40.55 | abrotman | pielgrzym: /etc/skel/ |
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| 12:41.09 | pielgrzym | abrotman: thank you :) |
| 12:41.24 | abrotman | pielgrzym: FWIW, you should be using adduser, not useradd |
| 12:44.34 | pielgrzym | abrotman: why? |
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| 12:44.45 | abrotman | in Debian, that's the recommended method |
| 12:44.55 | abrotman | it's has a bit more to it .. see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 12:44.57 | pielgrzym | ok, I'll stick to it then :) |
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| 12:45.05 | pielgrzym | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 13:05.54 | sash_ | can anyone help with this problem? http://paste.debian.net/104397/ i try to install nfs-kernel-server on a plug-pc with 1.2ghz arm-cpu and 128mb ram with debian-squeeze and kernel 2.6.32-5-kirkwood |
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| 13:20.45 | angelsl | hi, is there a way I can set up an encrypted LLVM on a live system (preferably without reboot)? |
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| 13:21.46 | angelsl | erm, LVM sorry |
| 13:21.48 | angelsl | not LLVM |
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| 13:27.06 | abrotman | angelsl: you might want to ask #debian-live on OFTC |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | assuming it is a Debian livecd |
| 13:27.24 | angelsl | erm |
| 13:27.30 | angelsl | i meant a running system :p not a livecd |
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| 13:27.54 | angelsl | i figured it out anyway, thanks |
| 13:27.58 | angelsl | >google :( |
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| 14:00.32 | datenritter | hi! i set up a box with squeeze. on boot it falls back to an initrd prompt, because it "could't find colume group vg1". when i run lvm, vgchange -a y, exit, exit it goes on, booting as expected. any ideas? i already updated the initrd.img several times. |
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| 14:03.04 | AltrortlA | I need help.... searching for Flash macromedia clone for Debian lenny I have read that F4L may be a good chance. But I don't know how to Install it and don't know where i can find reposities ... somebody have a tip for me? |
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| 14:11.35 | danols | to anyone with apache experience any way to disable directory indexing for all my vhosts without having to type the option in each vhosts file ? |
| 14:11.46 | danols | just make it default not to index ? |
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| 14:21.58 | deathtje | hey guys i'm looking for support for racoon / ipsec anybody have a clue where to be on irc ? |
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| 14:28.40 | arj1singh | Hi friends. |
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| 14:30.15 | arj1singh | I need a help... |
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| 14:31.33 | stew | arj1singh: if you have a question, just ask! |
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| 14:33.24 | Bushmills | arj1singh: mental? or lawyer? |
| 14:33.25 | arj1singh | I am an ubuntu user and found some programs having bugs. So, I have planed to move to Debian. Is it right decision? |
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| 14:33.48 | abrotman | arj1singh: only you can decide that .. you have to try it and see for yourself |
| 14:34.21 | stew | arj1singh: there is no guarantee that the same bugs aren't also in debian. have you tried asking in #ubuntu if your bugs in ubuntu might easily be solved? |
| 14:34.22 | arj1singh | Ok abrotman I will try it. |
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| 14:42.57 | sander^work | How do I see which initramfs the current kernel is using? |
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| 14:43.34 | stew | sander^work: unless you have done somehting wacky, it is /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 14:43.40 | arj1singh | stew, sorry, I tried but that channel is very busy. They didn't care about my problem. Btw I will try debian. Thanks for you help. |
| 14:43.46 | Krolik13 | what tool can I use to dessasemble a binary file, and to get the output intr-o a separate file? |
| 14:44.57 | sander^work | stew, How can I see from witch apt repository a kernel i'm using is installed from? |
| 14:45.00 | Krolik13 | what tool can I use to dessasemble a binary file, and to get the asm code output into a separate file? |
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| 14:45.40 | stew | sander^work: you cannot, as this information is not stored. however, if the package is still available from some repository, you can guess, see /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 14:46.14 | stew | sander^work: if its a non-debian kernel, you can sometimes guess if they have ammeneded the version string with some hint |
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| 14:58.08 | AlexC_ | I have a 64bit Lenny install here that I use as our development machine, on which I build packages for our 64bit production servers. However, one of our servers has a 32bit OS on it ... is it possible to build the same package for both x86 and x86_64 on the 64bit machine? |
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| 15:00.10 | Krolik13 | how to exit from the ReadOnly state once the box was power-recicled? |
| 15:02.12 | jhutchins | ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo;o9 |
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| 15:06.07 | morbidwar | hello, i'm trying to run gconftool-2 form a script and with no success ( /usr/bin/gconftool-2 -s -t string /apps/metacity/general/button_layout "menu:minimize,maximize,close" ) |
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| 15:07.51 | jhutchins | AlexC_: Yes, you can set up a build environment for any architecture. |
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| 15:08.31 | ttiicc | I just got DELL POTIPLEX 380 and during the installation it says that it the Ethernet card coldn't be found. I know it's a broadcom 57xx but can't find it in the list which I manually can choose from. Any idea what I can do? |
| 15:08.42 | AlexC_ | jhutchins I've just seen the '-a' argument to dpkg-buildpackage ... I guess I can use this? But what do I set it to? |
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| 15:09.56 | jhutchins | AlexC_: It's not quite that simple, you need the libraries and headers for the target architecture. I'm looking for info on how to set it up (it's not something I've done on debian). |
| 15:09.56 | xindz | nt |
| 15:10.33 | AlexC_ | jhutchins ah ok, cool thank you |
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| 15:15.27 | jhutchins | AlexC_: Some of these may be useful: |
| 15:15.29 | jhutchins | !nmg |
| 15:15.29 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 15:15.56 | jhutchins | AlexC_: Also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics |
| 15:16.15 | arj1singh | !smb |
| 15:16.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, smb is Server Message Block, or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic. See also <CIFS>, <samba>. |
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| 15:16.49 | jhutchins | !tell ttiicc about broadcom |
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| 15:17.17 | jhutchins | ttiicc: You will probably need a newer kernel or separate driver. |
| 15:17.35 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Which version were you installing? |
| 15:19.36 | AlexC_ | jhutchins thanks, I've been through these many times a while ago when learning how to make packages. TBH I think I'll just recreate this server with a 64bit OS and run with that |
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| 15:22.19 | itsmemario | hey boys and girls! i installed lenny from a dvd, which i found on the debian HP. the desktopmanager used is gnome. well, is there a reason why there is no KDE used? is there a save (stable?) way to install a KDE environment - without breaking packages? |
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| 15:25.21 | raz0 | itsmemario: aptitude install kde-full? |
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| 15:25.47 | raz0 | or through synaptic if you prefer that |
| 15:25.56 | aixenv | s/save/safe ? |
| 15:26.14 | aixenv | kde should easil be installable w/o issue |
| 15:26.20 | aixenv | *easily |
| 15:26.42 | aixenv | what raz0 said |
| 15:29.03 | themill | dpkg: tell itsmemario about install kde |
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| 15:29.35 | themill | raz0, aixenv: note that the instructions are different for kde3 (lenny) and kde4 (squeeze) |
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| 15:31.59 | AltrortlA | Problem E: impossible to find qt3-dev-tool on debian lenny |
| 15:32.19 | AltrortlA | How to solve? |
| 15:32.23 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a problem with phpmyadmin, i've get an error "#2002" |
| 15:32.40 | Upgreydd | any idea how to solve this problem? mysqld is started |
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| 15:32.54 | petemc | AltrortlA: apt-cache search qt3 dev |
| 15:33.45 | itsmemario | thank you guys. i am on the wiki page 'dpkg' pointed me to. however - i cant find a kde-full package. i already successfully updated aptitude. |
| 15:34.02 | foobar3d | i just reconfigured my kernel, when i boot my system now it halts at mounting root filesystem, anyone have any ideas why it would do that? |
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| 15:34.22 | themill | itsmemario: you'll notice that dpkg didn't mention a kde-full package for installing kde in lenny. |
| 15:34.46 | Upgreydd | "#2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) " my phpmyadmin error |
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| 15:36.04 | SerajewelKS | is there any existing free software to perform data recovery on damaged ntfs filesystems? |
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| 15:36.35 | itsmemario | themill: you are right, the linked page wants me to install, kde-desktop. however, i cant find this package too. |
| 15:37.29 | AltrortlA | patemc: thanks may be that i lost an "s" |
| 15:37.39 | AltrortlA | patemc: :-))) |
| 15:38.04 | AltrortlA | patemc: tools |
| 15:38.24 | itsmemario | SerajewelKS: when ntfs is damaged you can use the alternatives too fsck, but i remember, that their man-pages always encourage you to use the MS-tool |
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| 15:39.05 | foobar3d | i just reconfigured my kernel, when i boot my system now it halts at mounting root filesystem, anyone have any ideas why it would do that? |
| 15:39.23 | SerajewelKS | itsmemario: well, the damage is pretty severe. the filesystem header is irrecoverable, but i know that ntfs stores redundant copies of the main filesystem structures elsewhere on disk. the problem is that i can't get any tools to actually identify the filesystem as ntfs, therefore they won't operate on it. |
| 15:39.43 | themill | itsmemario: yes, the line "aptitude install kde-desktop" on the wiki is incorrect. (I'll fix that now....) |
| 15:40.24 | SerajewelKS | !ops Monsquaz trying PM exploits |
| 15:40.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: serajewelks complains about: Monsquaz trying PM exploits |
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| 15:40.37 | themill | acp Monsquaz |
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| 15:40.50 | SerajewelKS | !beer stew |
| 15:40.50 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for stew |
| 15:40.54 | itsmemario | themill: so its kdesktop? |
| 15:41.13 | themill | itsmemario: no. just do what dpkg told you |
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| 15:41.45 | arj1singh | !nmap |
| 15:41.45 | dpkg | [nmap] a free software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. Don't use it to do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. Popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on (ask me about <open ports>). http://nmap.org/ ##nmap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:41.56 | SerajewelKS | itsmemario: so this isn't really fsck territory. this is more like forensics/disaster-recovery territory. |
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| 15:43.09 | SerajewelKS | just curious if there are any free tools to help recover data or if i should just take it to an overpriced data recovery shop |
| 15:43.10 | Upgreydd | can someone help me with phpmyadmin? |
| 15:43.24 | itsmemario | SerajewelKS: okay - i see! but wont the recoverymode of a windows cd/dvd not solve this? did you try it? |
| 15:43.25 | SerajewelKS | Upgreydd: maybe. if you ask a real question we could tell you for sure. |
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| 15:43.35 | geekosopher | lenny has kde 3.5? |
| 15:43.51 | SerajewelKS | itsmemario: maybe -- i'd be surprised though, considering that the filesystem header is just *gone*. |
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| 15:44.15 | Upgreydd | SerajewelKS i was asking, when i try to login into my phpmyadmin i've get an error "#2002" |
| 15:44.34 | SerajewelKS | Upgreydd: did you try googling the error message? |
| 15:44.39 | sylarr | I have a problem with nautilus taking 100% CPU when connected to ftp |
| 15:44.41 | itsmemario | themill: well, so dpkg says - there are 3 ways to install kde. the full kde 3 will be installed through the meta package kde. i cant find this package within the '#aptitude search kde' results |
| 15:45.02 | Upgreydd | SerajewelKS: yes i was, but can't find good solution |
| 15:45.23 | aixenv | phpmyadmin blows |
| 15:45.24 | SerajewelKS | itsmemario: 'kde' only exists in lenny. if you are on squeeze, it's something else. |
| 15:45.41 | aixenv | however if you have to use it, it's a pretty simplistic package |
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| 15:45.57 | itsmemario | geekosopher: my sources say i am lenny and its a fresh install from a dvd i downloaded as 'stable' |
| 15:46.06 | itsmemario | i mean themill |
| 15:46.11 | aixenv | like SerajewelKS said, what's the exact issue? |
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| 15:46.25 | geekosopher | itsmemario: i read it the first time you wrote ;) |
| 15:46.43 | themill | itsmemario: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kde"? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 15:47.26 | itsmemario | geekosopher: i wanted to reply to you that it seems like KDE 4 is not considered stable at the moment (from what i read within the debian forums - (dated 2009/early 10) |
| 15:47.56 | themill | itsmemario: kde4 will be the kde version in the next debian release. |
| 15:48.08 | geekosopher | itsmemario: kde4 is not in stable as it was not stable when lenny was released |
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| 15:48.22 | HackeMate | what software i would use to burn cds like clonecd? |
| 15:48.49 | geekosopher | itsmemario: so if you want kde4, you will have to use testing (squeeze) |
| 15:48.53 | nephro | heya, guys... I want to use an external monitor on my laptop... I plugged it in, but nothing happened |
| 15:48.55 | itsmemario | themill: http://pastebin.com/sE6CjnFP |
| 15:49.24 | arj1singh | Hi, how nautilus mounts removable drives? |
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| 15:49.45 | themill | itsmemario: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" too please? and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:50.04 | foobar3d | anyone know why my system hangs when booting into my new kernel? it hangs at 'mounting root file system' |
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| 15:50.45 | foobar3d | is there a kernel option i missed? |
| 15:50.47 | itsmemario | geekosopher: actually i always loved kde 3 and i have bad experience with kde 4 on my thinpads and desktops (on different distros and installs) so i am completely fine with kde 3! |
| 15:50.54 | geekosopher | foobar3d: seems like your grub is not updated properly |
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| 15:51.45 | geekosopher | itsmemario: saw your paste, wierd |
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| 15:52.35 | itsmemario | themill: http://pastebin.com/VYPEmYkJ |
| 15:52.57 | geekosopher | foobar3d: make sure you have passed on the correct device id to the kernel line |
| 15:52.59 | foobar3d | geekosopher: i ran update-grub and it looks like everything corresponds accordingly.. the entries are all identical, except the new kernel entry points to the new vmlinuz-2.6.26 img, and the initrd lines points to the new initrd image.. i can boot into the previous kernels fine and the grub entries r da same with the exception of the image versions |
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| 15:53.13 | themill | itsmemario: you have no mirror in your sources.list. You should add one, run "aptitude update" and then try again. |
| 15:53.33 | foobar3d | geekosopher: should i paste it online? and device id? u mean root=/dev/sda1? |
| 15:53.44 | itsmemario | thats the last command i run. but ill do it again |
| 15:53.53 | geekosopher | foobar3d: yes please |
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| 15:54.12 | themill | itsmemario: you need to add a mirror to your sources.list first. |
| 15:54.36 | geekosopher | itsmemario: did you scan the dvd when installing lenny? |
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| 15:56.02 | foobar3d | geekosopher: |
| 15:56.10 | geekosopher | ?? |
| 15:56.20 | foobar3d | geekosopher: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553216/ |
| 15:56.22 | itsmemario | geekosopher: scan? well the dvd made some noise - i guess it was used during the install :D - but i just followed the graphical install for 64-bit systems. |
| 15:57.04 | foobar3d | geekosopher: i can boot into everything there except for kernel 2.6.26 |
| 15:57.38 | foobar3d | it hangs at mounting root filesystem |
| 15:59.00 | itsmemario | foobar3d: maybe its wise to use the completion of the grub shell. and if it doesnt work maybe to remake the kernel (thats quite fast -isnt it?) |
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| 15:59.52 | foobar3d | i remade the kernel and re installed |
| 16:00.12 | foobar3d | i let update-grub generate that file |
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| 16:01.39 | themill | itsmemario: that is not the sources.list that would be generated by the installer -- it looks like you've removed the DVD entry from it afterwards. You should include a mirror in it and optionally include an entry for the DVD if you want to continue to use it. |
| 16:01.42 | itsmemario | yeah, but you can use completion within the grub menue, when altering the menue-entries... in this way you can make sure that you know whats going on from there |
| 16:01.47 | geekosopher | foobar3d: strange |
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| 16:02.27 | itsmemario | themill: you are right, i removed the DVD source directly after install... i thought the other sources are complete and ready to go? |
| 16:03.04 | themill | itsmemario: no. security is only for security updates and volatile is only for things like virus scanner definitions. |
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| 16:03.58 | foobar3d | geekosopher: indeed |
| 16:04.15 | foobar3d | geekosopher: looks ok, right? |
| 16:04.27 | geekosopher | foobar3d: just a minute, you said you used update-grub right? |
| 16:04.33 | itsmemario | themill: ah okay. i should have read more carefully and use a dictionary :D ... thanks man! i found the package |
| 16:04.34 | foobar3d | yes |
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| 16:05.08 | geekosopher | foobar3d: but it looks like you are not using grub2 |
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| 16:05.22 | geekosopher | because the format of the file is different |
| 16:06.05 | foobar3d | geekosopher: i think im using grub 0.97 |
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| 16:06.06 | geekosopher | foobar3d: in case you are using grub-legacy, update-grub does not pick up new kernels i guess |
| 16:06.14 | itsmemario | foobar3d: yeah, use completion within grub - the completion wont fail. |
| 16:06.16 | geekosopher | ok |
| 16:06.35 | foobar3d | itsmemario: i dont get what u mean? |
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| 16:06.40 | geekosopher | foobar3d: in that case you will have to add the kernel entry manually |
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| 16:07.38 | thewanderer1 | hey, can I make up my own log facility name and tell syslog to log under that facility? |
| 16:08.02 | foobar3d | geekosopher: i did that too and the manualaddition still matches the update-grub entry. before i ran update-grub my entry was listed becuz i added it manually, then when i ran update-grub because the manual entry didnt work, it looked just like if i added it |
| 16:08.41 | itsmemario | when u start your computer and see the grub menue, there are written two options below. as i remember it says ' PRESS O TO ALTERNATE LINE' or something like this. then you browse to the line with the new kernel... then you press O .... you can alter the write 'hd(' and then press TAB then you get all devices... press tab again for the partitions |
| 16:08.47 | itsmemario | just pick the correct one |
| 16:09.00 | itsmemario | remember the place and update the menue.lst urself |
| 16:09.01 | geekosopher | foobar3d: can you paste the result of /boot/grub/ directory? |
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| 16:09.33 | foobar3d | itsmemario: i dont see such a thing itsmemario when booting.. not no alternate line sentence |
| 16:09.38 | foobar3d | geekosopher: okie |
| 16:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | If anyone knows where to find docs on how to enable nagiosgrapher using the current lenny packages I would appreciate a link. |
| 16:10.39 | foobar3d | http://paste.ubuntu.com/553228/ |
| 16:11.45 | itsmemario | foobar3d: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntu-how-to-edit-grub-boot-parameters.html - well u have to press E for editing |
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| 16:13.13 | geekosopher | foobar3d: seeing your paste, and you want the use the vmlinuz-2.6.26 file in that directory right? |
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| 16:14.00 | foobar3d | yes |
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| 16:14.19 | itsmemario | foobar3d: does the edit work? |
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| 16:15.06 | geekosopher | foobar3d: in that case the file looks correct. really strange :| |
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| 16:15.15 | Rikr | hello |
| 16:15.17 | despe70 | I have my imap set up to be run via xinetd. Works fine, but I wonder where the configfile of my imapd is ? |
| 16:15.28 | despe70 | locate imapd.conf doesn't find anything ... |
| 16:15.40 | snow_man | Rikr: hello |
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| 16:16.21 | foobar3d | indeed |
| 16:16.31 | foobar3d | itsmemario: what edit |
| 16:16.57 | thewanderer1 | what local log facilities are reserved on Debian? (I mean local0 to local7) which local facilities can I freely use? |
| 16:17.30 | itsmemario | foobar3d: i tried to give you a link. it describes how to test several grub entries while within the grub menue |
| 16:17.34 | itsmemario | http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntu-how-to-edit-grub-boot-parameters.html |
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| 16:18.33 | itsmemario | i had the problem you have right now more than 3 times. two times within a linux system and boith times it was because of screwed device-mappings.... both times i solved it with grub completion. |
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| 16:19.16 | geekosopher | itsmemario: the link is not working for me |
| 16:20.38 | itsmemario | well, it just says: press ESC to stop grub-cowndown, press E to edit the entries, use completion on the 'hd(' entry by pressing TAB... |
| 16:20.46 | jhutchins_lt | despe70: dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 16:21.36 | itsmemario | geekosopher: http://pastebin.com/F5Zu2RmA |
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| 16:22.55 | itsmemario | okay, you use the completion on 'root(hd' with [TAB] |
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| 16:22.59 | despe70 | jhutchins: thx, seems this server is running RH instead of Debian as I thought ... |
| 16:23.16 | ethanol | lal |
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| 16:23.30 | jhutchins_lt | rpm -ql <packagename> |
| 16:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | despe70: ^ |
| 16:23.41 | ethanol | that's like stepping into a ford when you imagine it's a bmw. |
| 16:23.42 | ethanol | :< |
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| 16:24.29 | jhutchins_lt | ethanol: If it's a Boss 302 you'll be pleasantly surprised. |
| 16:24.46 | ethanol | lets assume for the sake of the argument that it is not |
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| 16:26.09 | itsmemario | foobar3d: still there? |
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| 16:27.10 | despe70 | jhutchins_lt, thx, this one reports that imap and imapd are not installed. apparently we managed to compile it from source then ... |
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| 16:27.53 | jhutchins_lt | despe70: Not necessarily. You might be running dovecot, |
| 16:28.18 | despe70 | no, i'm certainly running imap. that I get from my /var/log/maillog and from my xinetd ... |
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| 16:28.37 | g00se | Am in expert graphical install and keep hoping to see 'continue over ssh' or some such. At what point can that appear? |
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| 16:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | despe70: If the call in the xinetd config doesn't state the conf file, there might be a script in /etc/init.d (inactive) that does, otherwise use locate. |
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| 16:29.17 | foobar3d | itsmemario: yes |
| 16:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | !ssh install |
| 16:29.20 | dpkg | methinks ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 16:29.45 | foobar3d | itsmemario: was tlking to a detective, i got shot 5 times the day ater christmas, he had to take my statement |
| 16:29.46 | itsmemario | foobar3d: and does hitting E work within the start-grub-screen? |
| 16:29.49 | foobar3d | im back |
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| 16:30.09 | despe70 | jhutchins: k, locate didn't give me anything unfortunately. could it be i'm just running it without any conf, and using the default values ? |
| 16:30.11 | itsmemario | foobar3d: happy new year, then |
| 16:30.24 | foobar3d | thank you |
| 16:30.31 | foobar3d | likewise |
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| 16:31.05 | itsmemario | foobar3d: and does hitting E work within the start-grub-screen? |
| 16:31.20 | bpgoldsb | I'm taking a run at preseeding. I'm using the netboot version of Debian. I'd like to host my preseed file on a webserver. However, doing that means it doesn't get loaded until I manually configure the keyboard and such. Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 16:31.35 | foobar3d | itsmemario: start-grub-screen? u mean when i reboot? |
| 16:31.41 | itsmemario | yes |
| 16:31.52 | foobar3d | id have to reboot and see. its the system im on. |
| 16:31.57 | itsmemario | press e and chose the kernel u made and press e again |
| 16:32.08 | foobar3d | so when i press e, what do i do? |
| 16:32.14 | itsmemario | e for edit |
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| 16:32.34 | foobar3d | choose da kernel then press e again and do wat? |
| 16:33.05 | itsmemario | chose kernel , press E , chose the entry root (hdX,Y) , press E .... then you delete the X,Y) part...like this "root(hd" |
| 16:33.13 | itsmemario | and you press TAB |
| 16:33.21 | itsmemario | and he will show you all options |
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| 16:34.45 | itsmemario | then, when u chose the correct X and Y (just like with TAB in the bash) you remember the X and Y ... if they work you change these numbers in the grub.menue |
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| 16:35.40 | foobar3d | i see |
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| 16:35.50 | itsmemario | good luck then |
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| 16:35.52 | foobar3d | gonna try now |
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| 16:35.59 | foobar3d | brb, thank you! |
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| 16:37.49 | pm2 | Hi. I have a Debian firewall box, that is fairly "lightweight," but is heavily configured to interface OpenVPN with Active Directory, some complex port forwarding rules, etc. What I'd like to do is make a LiveCD (or better, a live USB drive) that is essentially an exact copy of the way this box is setup. Is there an easy way to make this? |
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| 16:46.27 | karlpinc | !tell pm2 about debian-live |
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| 16:47.41 | alanp | What is the process for updating a package that already has a maintainer? |
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| 16:48.10 | stew | alanp: update how? a new upstream version? a patch to the existing version? |
| 16:48.25 | alanp | New upstream version |
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| 16:48.45 | stew | alanp: file a wishlist bug against the package requesting the new version if one doesn't already exist |
| 16:48.48 | alanp | The package is libevent2, it's in experimental only with an old alpha release. There has been a stable release. |
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| 16:49.39 | foobar3d | anyone know why my system halts at 'waiting for root file system' when botting into my new kernel? |
| 16:49.41 | arvenius | hello |
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| 16:50.08 | arvenius | whats the easiest way to make a users files readable by the apacheuser by default? |
| 16:50.09 | cahoot | foobar3d: wrong partition? |
| 16:50.30 | stew | !dbugs 607984 |
| 16:50.35 | dpkg | #607984:W[libevent-dev] Please upgrade experimental libevent-dev to 2.0.10 (patch); Sat, 25 Dec 2010 17:06:02 UTC [] |
| 16:50.44 | stew | alanp: ^^ check that bug, looks like its tagged "patch" even |
| 16:52.05 | foobar3d | cahoot: no, im using da right partition. if u were connected for da last 30 mins, u can scroll up. i was just here and sumone was helping me but to no avail... my grub config file is correct |
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| 16:52.31 | foobar3d | i pasted my grub conf and da contents of my /boot folder |
| 16:52.46 | foobar3d | we were stumped at why it would b doing that |
| 16:53.00 | foobar3d | i think its a kernel prob |
| 16:53.09 | cahoot | foobar3d: ok - I think I understand what you try to convey |
| 16:53.41 | foobar3d | it boots correctly, then it mounts da root filesystem, after that it halts at 'waiting for root file system....' |
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| 16:54.29 | alanp | stew: So it's already done.... Can I just submit a new build, though? |
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| 16:55.29 | cahoot | foobar3d: I suppose you're left to fixing your kernel config or use a real debian kernel then |
| 16:55.33 | ttiicc | I got a Ethernetcard from broadcom and can't have it running on debian. does any one know how I would be able to install the drivers form it? broadcoms official site provides drivers but they are not packaged in .deb format... I've tried the .deb version from http://www.retsedge.org/apps/firmware-bnx2_0.23_all.deb but still not working |
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| 16:56.12 | foobar3d | cahoot: real debian kernel? im compiling d kernel from apt-get install linux-source-.. |
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| 16:56.38 | cahoot | i e precompiled |
| 16:57.02 | pm2 | karlpinc: would debian-live allow me to essentially take a snapshot of my current system? or would I have to configure from scratch? |
| 16:57.25 | foobar3d | im using dat one now... just a lot of unecessary options and stuff enabled.. i wanted to compile my own |
| 16:57.42 | cahoot | foobar3d: and failed obviously |
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| 16:57.56 | pm2 | karlpinc: I have some custom-complied software, etc... |
| 16:58.30 | foobar3d | but what option could i enable to fix this halting problem.. 'waiting for root filesystem....'... i dont get it |
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| 16:58.52 | cahoot | foobar3d: some 'unnecessary option' seems to be not so |
| 16:59.03 | Jarvis | ttiicc: thats just the firmware ,not the driver |
| 16:59.17 | Jarvis | incidentally the firmware is available under firmware-bnx2 |
| 17:00.24 | Jarvis | (non-free) ofc |
| 17:01.20 | Jarvis | ttiicc: what card is it your attempting to get to work |
| 17:01.37 | stew | alanp: no, debian doesn't accept uploads from just anybody. what you could do is test the patches already uploaded and comment on whether they are good or not |
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| 17:02.15 | alanp | What's the process to maintain a package, then? Seems rather restrictive. |
| 17:02.20 | g00se | jhutchins_lt: Thanks |
| 17:02.21 | ttiicc | Jarvis: it's my Ethernetcard |
| 17:02.42 | ttiicc | I think it's the 57xx version of it |
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| 17:03.00 | karlpinc | pm2: I'm not clear. You could use the "aptitude clone" method to do so and make a live stick from that. |
| 17:03.07 | karlpinc | !tell pm2 about aptitude clone |
| 17:03.36 | karlpinc | pm2: Or just restore your system onto a live usb stick. |
| 17:03.56 | stew | alanp: for someone not a debian developer, the process of maintainer a package is to prepare packages which are then reviewed and uploaded by a debian developer |
| 17:04.37 | stew | alanp: and it needs to be restrictive, since what you are uploading is going to be run as root on thousands of machines |
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| 17:05.29 | Jarvis | ttiicc: apt-get install firmware-bnx2 && modprobe bnx2 |
| 17:05.36 | Jarvis | see if that helps |
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| 17:06.38 | ttiicc | I'll try that! |
| 17:06.42 | Jarvis | if it still doesn't see it, unplug the card, plug it back in again,and check dmesg for any messages |
| 17:06.58 | Jarvis | it might give you a hint of whats happening |
| 17:07.15 | krle | hi |
| 17:07.20 | krle | say i have a file to download |
| 17:07.21 | krle | a script |
| 17:07.28 | krle | how do i do that using the package manager |
| 17:07.33 | krle | its not a debian pkg per se |
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| 17:08.18 | nephro | any advice on solving this? |
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| 17:08.59 | ttiicc | hmm I can't connect to internet with the comp so Im not able to run apt-get |
| 17:09.09 | ttiicc | I'll have to find another computer |
| 17:09.14 | ttiicc | debian computer |
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| 17:12.20 | foobar3d | how can i install yaird on lenny? |
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| 17:13.56 | stew | foobar3d: realize that the reason yaird isn't in lenny is that it is too buggy |
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| 17:15.39 | stew | foobar3d: why do you want to user yaird instead of initramfs? |
| 17:15.55 | foobar3d | stew: i think its making my system hang at 'waiting for root filesystem' |
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| 17:16.10 | foobar3d | i want to build da image with yaird instead |
| 17:16.41 | foobar3d | im googling my problem and a lot of the so called answers say to remove initramfs-tools and install yaird |
| 17:17.03 | stew | foobar3d: how old are those answers? i'd guess they are from before lenny was released |
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| 17:17.29 | foobar3d | yea, possibly, darn.......... |
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| 17:18.33 | stew | foobar3d: was this working, then failed after an upgrade? |
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| 17:20.06 | foobar3d | im in the system now, im using the precompiled kernel. i edited and compiled my own kernel of da same version and then tried booting it and i get that error |
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| 17:22.52 | ma3x | hi |
| 17:22.57 | ma3x | smartctl shows LBA_of_first_error 214762474 . what block number is this? how do i calculate it? |
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| 17:24.38 | BLZbubba | ouch i got a nasty surprise today, my system wants to load sysv-rc |
| 17:24.47 | BLZbubba | how does this compare to "upstart" ? |
| 17:25.43 | BLZbubba | upstart being arguably the worst piece of crap house of cards software ever written |
| 17:25.52 | BLZbubba | sorry to sugar coat it so much :) |
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| 17:30.02 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: the block number is 214762474, of course |
| 17:30.15 | stew | BLZbubba: which release are you running? what made you switch to upstart in the first place? |
| 17:30.25 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: LBA means "logical block addressing" |
| 17:30.35 | stew | BLZbubba: sysv-rc is the more standard, more traditional one that was default in all the previous debian releases |
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| 17:32.16 | BLZbubba | stew: i was a debian user long ago, and switched to ubuntu a few years ago. but lucid and maverick are total pieces of sh!t because of upstart so screw those guys |
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| 17:32.45 | stew | BLZbubba: this is the wrong channel for ubuntu discussion |
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| 17:33.35 | BLZbubba | stew: well you asked why i switched to upstart. i'm back on debian now, just worried that i will be forced into another lame dependency based boot system that will leave my servers frozen with no indications on the screen about what's going wrong |
| 17:34.18 | stew | BLZbubba: sysv-rc is not dependency based. insserv is |
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| 17:35.01 | BLZbubba | stew: weird, when i did my upgrade today on squeeze i got a big popup saying that it wanted to switch to a dependency-based rc system called sysv-rc |
| 17:35.03 | judgen | is there a ncurses image viewer/manager? |
| 17:35.05 | stew | and if you are meaning to say that you switched to upstart on debian because of the state of lucid and maverick, i'm not sure I follow |
| 17:35.32 | stew | BLZbubba: that would be insserv |
| 17:35.39 | BLZbubba | stew: gotcha, no, i abandoned ubuntu recently because i got burned by their bad decision to use upstart/plymouth |
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| 17:36.32 | stew | BLZbubba: are you familiar with the /etc/rc?.d directories? which contain S?? and K?? symlinks to init scripts contained in /etc/init.d? |
| 17:36.43 | stew | BLZbubba: that is sysv-rc |
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| 17:37.17 | SerajewelKS | judgen: how's that going to work? aalib? |
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| 17:37.26 | ma3x | SerajewelKS: but which file system block contains that LBA? |
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| 17:37.44 | stew | BLZbubba: oh, and it looks like in squeeze we are switching to using insserv with sysv-rc to prioritize the rc?.d symlinks |
| 17:37.50 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: how should i know, i don't know your partition layout. you'll have to use the partition table to compute that. |
| 17:38.02 | stew | i didn't realize that was a strict dependency |
| 17:38.10 | BLZbubba | stew: :( :( :( that is horrible |
| 17:38.30 | BLZbubba | what do we have to do to reverse that decision? |
| 17:38.35 | BLZbubba | this sucks |
| 17:39.05 | BLZbubba | unless it is optional |
| 17:39.07 | stew | BLZbubba: what would be a reason to reverse this decision? |
| 17:39.24 | stew | BLZbubba: there are other non-sysv-rc init systems |
| 17:39.30 | stew | but with sysv-rc, its not optional |
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| 17:40.31 | BLZbubba | it is a house of cards, if upstart is any indication |
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| 17:40.44 | BLZbubba | maybe that other project is just too immature and this one is better |
| 17:40.46 | stew | BLZbubba: how is it a house of cards? what would upstart have to do with it? |
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| 17:41.17 | stew | it has, in fact, turned up bugs which forced maintainers to improve their init scripts, which is a good thing |
| 17:41.26 | judgen | SerajewelKS: Well i was thinking the manager part in curses and something like directfb or svgalib for the image output. |
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| 17:42.53 | BLZbubba | stew: i am just nervous after how unreliable ubuntu lucid server was once they forced everyone into a dependency based init system. i don't want to see the same thing happen to squeeze, since the only reason I chose squeeze instead was that it didn't have a dependency based boot system |
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| 17:44.09 | ma3x | i figured it was (214762474(LBA of error sector)-63(Starting sector of partition))*512/4096 = 26845301 |
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| 17:44.44 | stew | BLZbubba: looks like its had a dependency based boot manager for a half a year or so |
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| 17:45.05 | stew | BLZbubba: i still don't see what ubuntu which is using a completely different init system has to do with this |
| 17:46.11 | nbnds | does anyone know when will LibreOffice get into testing? approximately? |
| 17:46.28 | ma3x | when i do badblocks -svn -b 4096 /dev/sda1 26845301 26845301 i get this Testing with random pattern: badblocks: Invalid argument during seek .... Pass completed, 1 bad blocks found. |
| 17:46.29 | dvs | nbnds: after squeeze for sure. |
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| 17:49.03 | BLZbubba | stew: trying to share a personal experience with this kind of system. it seems really risky to add so late in the process |
| 17:49.25 | stew | BLZbubba: late in the process? how do you figure? |
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| 17:50.38 | ttiicc | I'm still having problem with lenny and an Ethernet card from Broadcom. I have downloaded and installed firmware-bnx2_0.14+lenny2_all.deb and then I ran the command modprobe bnx2. and it's till not working! |
| 17:50.42 | ttiicc | any ideas? |
| 17:51.05 | cahoot | any error(s)? |
| 17:51.27 | cahoot | dmesg reports successful loading of firmware? |
| 17:52.03 | Bushmills | which broadcom device? |
| 17:52.16 | cahoot | did you unload the module first? |
| 17:52.17 | BLZbubba | well i'm just getting back into debian so maybe i don't understand the culture. but as an example I tried to get the maintainers to update tgtd from the ancient and in fact unusable version it's at in squeeze (1.0.4) to something more recent like 1.0.10 and was told that squeeze is frozen and this would be impossible |
| 17:52.31 | ttiicc | Im new with dmesg but I found no error when I typed dmesg|grep ERROR |
| 17:52.41 | stew | BLZbubba: yes, squeeze has been frozen since august |
| 17:52.53 | SerajewelKS | judgen: ah. i'm not aware of such a program, but it does sound interesting. |
| 17:53.07 | ttiicc | it's the Ethernetcard from broadcom |
| 17:53.17 | BLZbubba | stew: so how can it be frozen if the basis for the whole operating system - init - is changing in a fundamental way? |
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| 17:53.22 | stew | BLZbubba: my point is that this change to insserv is not really late in the game. insserv has been in debian for almost 3 years now, its been the default for many months now |
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| 17:53.36 | stew | BLZbubba: the swutch to insserv is not at all new |
| 17:53.44 | cahoot | ttiicc: try this: modprobe -r bnx2; modprobe bnx2; dmesg | tail -n20 |
| 17:53.54 | SerajewelKS | i was getting the prompt to migrate to insserv since i think june |
| 17:54.02 | SerajewelKS | or thereabouts |
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| 17:54.19 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: if it makes you feel better, all of my squeeze boxen are running insserv and have had no issues |
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| 17:55.15 | ttiicc | someone with any ideas for my problem? |
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| 17:55.51 | stew | BLZbubba: r1554 | pere | 2009-07-26 13:17:03 -0400 "Let sysv-rc depend on insserv (>= 1.12.0-10) to activate dependency based boot sequencing by default" |
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| 17:56.09 | SerajewelKS | ah, so july |
| 17:56.11 | notjon13 | ttiicc what's your problem? |
| 17:56.12 | foobar3d | anyone know what resolution my nvidia geforce 8400m gs card does? |
| 17:56.19 | stew | SerajewelKS: july of 2009, not 2010 |
| 17:56.27 | SerajewelKS | stew: oh... d'oh |
| 17:56.46 | SerajewelKS | stew: i guess june was the first time i upgraded some of my boxen for a while :X |
| 17:56.54 | ttiicc | I wrote it 18:50 |
| 17:57.06 | stew | it wouldn't have been in squeeze immediately of course, but its not exactly new |
| 17:57.08 | BLZbubba | so why is it only happening now? i installed the weekly build in december |
| 17:57.23 | cahoot | ttiicc: did you try this: modprobe -r bnx2; modprobe bnx2; dmesg | tail -n20 ? |
| 17:57.26 | notjon13 | ttiicc I'm not in your timezone. |
| 17:57.37 | BLZbubba | this decision should have been reversed when it was frozen |
| 17:58.15 | stew | BLZbubba: why should the decision have been reversed? |
| 17:59.12 | notjon13 | ttiicc are you sure that's your card? |
| 17:59.22 | stew | BLZbubba: note that people have been working on this since 2006 |
| 17:59.37 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: You know what? Stop freaking out. Give it a try, or choose the option not to use it. |
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| 17:59.49 | stew | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 17:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: I can't even tell you what this fairly recent squeeze uses, but it works just fine. |
| 18:00.15 | stew | there's the official announcement of the switch, 1.5 years ago |
| 18:00.22 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: you have yet to give a cogent reason why you don't think insserv should be the default, except for "i don't like upstart". insserv is not upstart. |
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| 18:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: We get squeeze users all the time here and on oftc.net, and I haven't seen one problem with the system init scripts. |
| 18:00.39 | stew | BLZbubba: ahh, here's the history: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 18:00.52 | stew | BLZbubba: i guess in planning since 2002, so not exactly a last minute decision |
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| 18:02.05 | BLZbubba | ok thanks for the info, as you can tell I have PTSD from how badly the same transition went with lucid. i will give it a try; i just hope it fails gracefully and works on container based systems |
| 18:02.40 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: If not, don't bitch, bugreport. Squeeze IS still TESTING! |
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| 18:03.17 | stew | BLZbubba: lucid didn't do the same transition |
| 18:03.25 | stew | BLZbubba: lucid was using upstart |
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| 18:07.04 | foobar3d | i wanna edit x accordingly so i can get da most out of my nvidia geforce 8400m gs card.. |
| 18:07.10 | Rickasaurus | Hi there, I'm trying to sudo run a script but it's not seeing my added PATH |
| 18:07.15 | foobar3d | can anyone help me? |
| 18:07.19 | Rickasaurus | if I sudo echo $PATH, it's in there |
| 18:07.24 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: my understanding is that upstart provides a replacement for the entire boot system, while insserv provides a way take a dependency tree and use it to automatically assign numbers to the start/kill scripts |
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| 18:07.54 | Rickasaurus | I just need this extra path directory for the sake of executing this one script |
| 18:07.59 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: so insserv doesn't actually modify how the sysv boot process works, it just manages scripts for you |
| 18:08.14 | SerajewelKS | someone please correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 18:08.57 | SerajewelKS | or, rather, it manages the *symlinks* to the scripts |
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| 18:10.57 | stew | SerajewelKS: you are correct |
| 18:11.05 | ttiicc | modpobe -r bnx2 and then modprobe bnx2 and then dmesg tail -20 showed me this as the last line: [36.942842] hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x7 (ctl = Capture Volume) |
| 18:11.09 | ttiicc | any idea? |
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| 18:12.06 | cahoot | ttiicc: any mention of the firmware? |
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| 18:12.32 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: so, in short, the exact same code will continue to boot the system |
| 18:13.11 | notjon13 | ttiicc that's useless. |
| 18:13.51 | dvs | ttiicc: did "modprobe bnx2" print anything? |
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| 18:14.03 | notjon13 | ttiicc what's your card's model? maybe you should get the driver from the website, it's non-free, anyway. |
| 18:14.04 | ttiicc | What I have done so far is donwloading the dpkg file and installed it and then I ran modprobe bnx2 |
| 18:14.20 | notjon13 | are you sure that's your card, though? |
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| 18:14.35 | ttiicc | no the modprob didn't give any output at all so I gues it went through |
| 18:14.44 | dvs | yup |
| 18:14.56 | cahoot | ttiicc: any mention of the firmware in dmesg? |
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| 18:15.16 | ttiicc | as far as I know that the card you're getting when you buy a DELL optiplex 380 |
| 18:15.41 | BLZbubba | SerajewelKS: ah, awesome |
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| 18:15.52 | BLZbubba | ok sorry i freaked out there |
| 18:16.00 | disposable | i have a failed disk in my MD (raid1) array and I want to replace the disk with a one from another server that hasn't been used much. the new disk has the same sized partitions as the one it is replacing, but different data on them. do i need to do something with the disk before i 'add' it to the array or will mdadm handle it? |
| 18:16.05 | BLZbubba | again, PTSD caused by !@#^%^ Lucid :) |
| 18:16.11 | ttiicc | dmesg|grep bnx2 showed nothing |
| 18:16.30 | cahoot | ttiicc: dmesg | tail -n20 ? |
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| 18:17.07 | dvs | disposable: if the disk is failed then you shouldn't have to do anything else. |
| 18:17.16 | SerajewelKS | BLZbubba: remember ubuntu and pulseaudio too -- debian didn't go for that either. debian isn't going to go with alpha-quality software for core components. |
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| 18:18.03 | ttiicc | cahoot: I type tail -n 20, could this be something: NET Registered protocol family 10 ? |
| 18:18.05 | SerajewelKS | dvs: when you add the new disk to the array, the raid software should treat it as new/out-of-sync and will rebuild the disk |
| 18:18.31 | dvs | yes |
| 18:18.35 | dvs | exactly |
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| 18:18.55 | cahoot | ttiicc: why don't you just pute the ouput of: dmesg | tail -n20 on a pastebin - I've prblems follow you ? |
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| 18:19.50 | ttiicc | cahoot: no ethernet connection on that comp but sure will have to move the output with a usb dongle, 1 min |
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| 18:20.23 | SerajewelKS | dvs: oops, i meant to direct that to disposable |
| 18:20.32 | SerajewelKS | disposable: see what i said ^^^ |
| 18:20.37 | dvs | lart SerajewelKS |
| 18:20.45 | SerajewelKS | cowers |
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| 18:22.27 | GJdan | GAWD I don't get why the sound doesn't work :( |
| 18:22.31 | disposable | dvs, SerajewelKS: just to clarify - i have sda and sdb. sdb has the failed partition, so i failed all sdbX. i'm adding sdc (as i'm not 100% sure which one is sdb, and don't want to pull out the wrong one) with same sized partitions but full of different data. so simply doing e.g. "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdc1" will overwrite the data on sdc1 with whatever is on sda1? i want to be sure it doesn't try to copy the data the other way around |
| 18:23.07 | cahoot | GJdan: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal - any error? |
| 18:23.19 | SerajewelKS | disposable: it won't |
| 18:23.29 | dvs | disposable: it won't |
| 18:23.30 | SerajewelKS | disposable: when you add a disk to a mirrored RAID, it knows which one was new |
| 18:23.38 | SerajewelKS | disposable: it will rebuild the new disk from the existing disk(s) |
| 18:23.42 | disposable | SerajewelKS: thank you |
| 18:23.45 | disposable | dvs thanks |
| 18:23.54 | dvs | np |
| 18:24.01 | dvs | (heh heh heh) |
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| 18:24.12 | ttiicc | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/qdMuWDm4 there you go guys |
| 18:24.54 | DotHack | disposable, did you also remove the sdbX partitions? |
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| 18:25.17 | foobar3d | i wanna edit x accordingly so i can get da most out of my nvidia geforce 8400m gs card.. |
| 18:25.20 | foobar3d | can anyone help me? |
| 18:25.21 | dvs | would rather see /sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:25.40 | GJdan | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 18:25.40 | GJdan | cahoot: Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 18:25.54 | SerajewelKS | dvs: "ip link" would probably be even more useful |
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| 18:26.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell foobar3d about nvidia one-liner |
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| 18:27.16 | ttiicc | ok 1 min |
| 18:28.03 | cahoot | GJdan: you're member of audio group according to 'id' ? |
| 18:28.07 | disposable | DotHack: no, i did not |
| 18:28.24 | GJdan | heh probably not |
| 18:28.27 | disposable | DotHack: i removed them from the array |
| 18:28.34 | disposable | DotHack: not from the disk itself |
| 18:28.56 | disposable | DotHack: as in mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:28.58 | DotHack | disposable, ok! if its removed from the array its ok |
| 18:28.59 | ttiicc | dvs: http://pastebin.com/qFcq8VAZ sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:29.42 | GJdan | cahoot says I'm already a member of audio, so yes |
| 18:30.08 | ttiicc | anyone in here who sees anything? |
| 18:30.36 | cahoot | GJdan: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) return anything |
| 18:31.16 | DotHack | disposable, be carefull when you shutdown your system and remove sdb, the current sdc can become sdb on restart |
| 18:31.26 | GJdan | cahoot: there is no snd directory in dev |
| 18:31.59 | cahoot | GJdan: so cat /proc/asound gves an error? |
| 18:32.41 | GJdan | cahoot: no |
| 18:33.03 | GJdan | cahoot: sry I spoke too soon, fuser -v... returns Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory |
| 18:33.17 | cahoot | GJdan: that's ok |
| 18:33.29 | SerajewelKS | DotHack: i think the raid system is smart enough to deal with that |
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| 18:33.30 | disposable | DotHack: that's ok, this server can't be shut down. ever. |
| 18:33.50 | cahoot | GJdan: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? |
| 18:34.07 | SerajewelKS | DotHack: i think the raid software looks for RAID headers on each device/partition on boot and reassembles RAIDs using that data |
| 18:34.13 | notjon13 | ttiicc dude, you're not giving enough info. I'm still guessing you've got the wrong driver. |
| 18:34.24 | ttiicc | ok |
| 18:34.27 | DotHack | SerajewelKS, ah ok.. just ignore me then :) |
| 18:34.31 | GJdan | cahoot: 0 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI |
| 18:34.31 | GJdan | cahoot: HDA ATI HDMI at 0xfb9fc000 irq 17 |
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| 18:34.56 | ttiicc | so you mean that I got another driver? |
| 18:35.02 | ttiicc | so you mean that I got another Ethernet card? |
| 18:35.05 | SerajewelKS | DotHack: it's a valid concern. older RAID software would be confuzzled by renamed devices. :) |
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| 18:35.12 | cahoot | GJdan: that's all? |
| 18:35.22 | GJdan | cahoot: yes |
| 18:35.28 | GJdan | cahoot: I don't know if this helps but I have no audio control options up top, it says, "cannot find device to control, either no gstreamer plugins or no sound card configured" |
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| 18:36.04 | notjon13 | ttiicc so it seems. Usually the right driver just works. |
| 18:36.38 | ttiicc | ok I'll look at the motherboard and see if it's written anything there! |
| 18:36.51 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: pastebin the output of 'lspci -n' |
| 18:37.00 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: that'll go a long way to identifying your card |
| 18:37.05 | cahoot | GJdan: is this some sounddevice located in the monitor? |
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| 18:37.22 | diphthong | All I want for Christmas is to use the font that 'pterm' uses, in gnome-terminal . Can someone help me with my dream? |
| 18:37.25 | GJdan | cahoot: nah, speakers plugged into the back |
| 18:38.09 | cahoot | GJdan: any soundcard show up in lspci -nn | grep -i audio? |
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| 18:38.43 | ttiicc | ok 1mion |
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| 18:39.28 | GJdan | cahoot: no |
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| 18:40.27 | krle | when im adding a user to the root priviledges |
| 18:40.32 | cahoot | GJdan: anything looking like soundcard in lspci -nn ? |
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| 18:40.40 | krle | in the etc/sudoers file |
| 18:40.50 | krle | after root ALL=(ALL |
| 18:41.01 | JasonWoof | diphthong: I see "XFree86-Bigfont" in the strace output for pterm |
| 18:41.08 | krle | i added krle ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 18:41.17 | krle | is that right? |
| 18:41.20 | GJdan | cahoot: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05) |
| 18:41.34 | GJdan | cahoot: 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio [1002:aa30] |
| 18:42.09 | jordanm | the ATI is likely for HDMI |
| 18:42.10 | ttiicc | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/xqjPnsKD for lspci -n |
| 18:42.11 | cahoot | GJdan: isn't the latter some device in the monitor? |
| 18:42.44 | notjon13 | ttiicc lose the -n |
| 18:42.56 | SerajewelKS | notjon13: it's fine |
| 18:42.56 | krle | so does it look right? |
| 18:43.00 | ttiicc | ahh |
| 18:43.03 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: you want the "tg3" driver |
| 18:43.08 | jordanm | krle: test it |
| 18:43.14 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: modprobe tg3 |
| 18:43.20 | GJdan | cahoot: I don't think so, but I've been wrong before |
| 18:43.29 | krle | sure but it says file name to write: /etc/sudoers.tmp |
| 18:43.31 | dvs | SerajewelKS: you can tell from "-n"? You're gooooooooood. |
| 18:43.38 | krle | is that where it should be at? |
| 18:43.40 | diphthong | JasonWoof: cool! any idea what font that really is? some googling on my part doesn't tell me anything very useful. i tried xterm -fn XFree86-Bigfont but font not found |
| 18:43.43 | cahoot | GJdan: the first seems more like an onboarh hda-intel device |
| 18:43.46 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i'm good, yes. i also have http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ open. |
| 18:43.52 | ttiicc | tg3 driver for debian where could I find it? |
| 18:43.56 | jordanm | krle: probably if you used visudo |
| 18:44.01 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: use modprobe... |
| 18:44.04 | krle | yeah im using visudo |
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| 18:44.14 | dvs | ttiicc: modprobe -r bnx2; modprobe tg3 |
| 18:44.28 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: if it can't find the module it's because your kernel is too old |
| 18:44.39 | JasonWoof | diphthong: oh, that's an X extension, not a font. the next call in the trace says "fixed" |
| 18:44.59 | ttiicc | Im having lenny on my comp |
| 18:45.03 | JasonWoof | diphthong: I think pterm is using an x11 bitmap font, and gnome-terminal uses truetype fonts |
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| 18:45.53 | ttiicc | http://pastebin.com/1w5ucapU for lspci |
| 18:45.56 | diphthong | i really like how whatever font pterm is using, looks. |
| 18:46.24 | dvs | ttiicc: modprobe -r bnx2; modprobe tg3 |
| 18:46.43 | ttiicc | I'll try that |
| 18:46.44 | cahoot | GJdan: try alsa force-reload as root and paste cat /proc/asound/cards on apstebin |
| 18:47.43 | ttiicc | dvs: nothing happened |
| 18:47.57 | dvs | ttiicc: that's good |
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| 18:48.11 | ttiicc | ok, and what should I do then? |
| 18:48.17 | dvs | ttiicc: ip link |
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| 18:48.53 | ttiicc | pastebin for it? |
| 18:49.02 | dvs | yup |
| 18:49.10 | GJdan | cahoot: ok, but it's no different from what I showed you before |
| 18:49.12 | GJdan | cahoot: http://dpaste.org/irfb/ |
| 18:49.44 | cahoot | agreed |
| 18:50.20 | bpgoldsb | Anyone here preseeding their Debian mirror? |
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| 18:50.44 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 18:50.50 | ttiicc | http://pastebin.com/tnbL8tVS for ip link |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: preseeding the install? or creating a mirror? |
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| 18:51.01 | bpgoldsb | the install with a specific mirror. |
| 18:51.09 | abrotman | Oh, the manual tells you how IIRC? |
| 18:51.29 | bpgoldsb | Yes, I've set the options. It doesn't seem to be respecting them as far as I can tell. |
| 18:51.41 | dvs | hmmm... it's still not visible |
| 18:51.42 | bpgoldsb | The other options (such as NTP, partitioning) are being respected. |
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| 18:52.14 | ttiicc | but you guys are sure that I'm working with drivers and etc for the right card? |
| 18:53.13 | krle | how ah works |
| 18:53.14 | krle | :D |
| 18:53.28 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: what's your kernel version? (uname -r) |
| 18:54.12 | ttiicc | dpkg -l |grep bnx2 prints out: ii firmware-bnx2 0.14+lenny2 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII |
| 18:54.13 | dpkg | ii |grep bnx2 prints out: ii firmware-bnx2 0.14+lenny2 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII 1.5-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:54.13 | cahoot | GJdan: what happans if you run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0? |
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| 18:54.39 | GJdan | cahoot: Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 18:55.03 | cahoot | GJdan: speaker-test still fails? |
| 18:55.12 | stew | ttiicc: you are asking about your Broadcom? |
| 18:55.18 | ttiicc | my version is 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:55.25 | dvs | ttiicc: that too old |
| 18:55.34 | dvs | ttiicc: you need at least a 2.6.29 |
| 18:55.40 | stew | judd: 14e4:1692 |
| 18:55.42 | GJdan | cahoot: ya |
| 18:55.45 | stew | judd: pciid 14e4:1692 |
| 18:55.47 | judd | [14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692 |
| 18:55.59 | stew | yeah, "no known module in lenny" |
| 18:55.59 | ttiicc | okej but Im running debian stable, and this is the kernel you got with it |
| 18:56.08 | stew | ttiicc: you can use the kernel from backports |
| 18:56.11 | jordanm | the kmuto installer and backports kernel has it IIRC |
| 18:56.17 | jordanm | possibly firmware needed too |
| 18:56.18 | nirazio | How to stop running pidgin at logins and disable window hiding feature? |
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| 18:57.03 | blue_sky | is it possible to copy the kernel that boots a netinst cd to a system and use that? |
| 18:57.22 | nbnds | is there any command to enforce swapping or to free unused memory? |
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| 18:57.32 | ttiicc | so the solution you guys gives me is that I should use backport version of the kernel? |
| 18:57.39 | ttiicc | is it recommended to do so? |
| 18:57.53 | GJdan | cahoot: http://dpaste.org/OHUw/ speaker-test returns that, and repeats the last two lines over and over until I stop it. |
| 18:57.57 | dvs | ttiicc: yes, backports are ok |
| 18:57.59 | jordanm | nbnds: sure. kill <pid using memory> |
| 18:58.28 | jordanm | nbnds: oh, unused. if its free and used, then its being for disk caching. why would you want to drop the disk cache? |
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| 18:58.57 | preller_ | an way to get exFAT support on debian? |
| 18:58.59 | ttiicc | since Im downloading from one comp and installing it to the comp with no internet connection, what would be the esiest way do download the backport of the kernel for Lenny? |
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| 18:59.15 | ttiicc | any commmand for it or do I have to edit the source list and all that? |
| 18:59.59 | blue_sky | ttiicc: http://backports.debian.org, just DL it |
| 19:00.19 | dvs | ttiicc: download the linux-image-2.6.32-5-386.deb file and use dpkg on the other computer to install it. |
| 19:00.29 | jordanm | !tell ttiicc about kmuto |
| 19:00.41 | cahoot | GJdan: the output of lspci lokks (to me) like you have two soundcards on the system |
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| 19:00.54 | cahoot | s/lokks/looks/ |
| 19:00.57 | diphthong | where is inexpensive place to acquire many SSL certs? |
| 19:01.21 | nbnds | jordanm, im running inside vm with total of 256mb ram, sometimes memory usage peaks occur which slows the system down |
| 19:01.55 | GJdan | cahoot: does this help at all? http://dpaste.org/jtPQ/ |
| 19:02.07 | ttiicc | ok I will start my downloads now, see you later! |
| 19:03.34 | jordanm | nbnds: ok, so you need to fix the applications that are spiking memory usage, or get more ram |
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| 19:05.34 | nbnds | jordanm, is it possible to restrict the amount of memory which running application can use? im using opera browser which eats up a whole bunch of memory |
| 19:05.49 | jordanm | nbnds: on your vps?!? |
| 19:05.59 | ttiicc | diphthong I ran in to some opensource SSL certification org, just google and you'll find it |
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| 19:06.14 | jordanm | nbnds: no, and if you could, it would cause said application to crash when it fails to allocate memory |
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| 19:07.10 | nbnds | jordanm, i have debian running inside VirtualBox |
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| 19:07.39 | cahoot | GJdan: both soundcards use the same module (snd-hda-inel) - I've no clue how to get the Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] come to life |
| 19:07.49 | jordanm | ah, idk why I read that as "vps". too much time at work i suppose |
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| 19:13.21 | nbnds | jordanm, i solved the isseue now, by adjusting opera preferences, and setting fixed cache size of 4mb instead of auto setting. it cut off about 80mb memory usage |
| 19:13.53 | jordanm | nbnds: application fixed :) |
| 19:14.47 | nbnds | uninstalling opera would free up another 40 mb of memory :D |
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| 19:15.44 | ttiicc | I have the 2.6.26-2-amd64 which one of these images should I download http://pastebin.com/xE2Aj7A0 |
| 19:15.54 | ttiicc | I dint k now which one to download |
| 19:16.05 | SerajewelKS | ttiicc: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 19:16.07 | dvs | ttiicc: the first one |
| 19:16.07 | JasonWoof | diphthong: terminus is pretty close. at 9px size there's no anti-aliasing and it's similar and very clear: http://www.ax86.net/2009/11/03/generating-up-to-date-ttf-files-for-the-terminus-font |
| 19:16.08 | stew | ttiicc: aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 19:16.11 | SerajewelKS | dvs: no |
| 19:16.18 | SerajewelKS | dvs: the first one is headers |
| 19:16.21 | jordanm | erm |
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| 19:16.22 | dvs | oops the image, not the headers |
| 19:16.24 | jordanm | stew: meta package? |
| 19:16.32 | SerajewelKS | stew: he doesn't have net access on that box |
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| 19:16.34 | stew | jordanm: sure |
| 19:16.52 | ttiicc | okej |
| 19:17.32 | stew | ttiicc: you might use linux-image-2.6-amd64 instead, which would depend on whatever is the latest |
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| 19:17.44 | ttiicc | what does the bpo stands for? |
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| 19:18.02 | stew | ttiicc: backports.org (the old home of backports.debian.org) |
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| 19:18.17 | jordanm | stew: I think we can say BackPOrts now :) |
| 19:18.19 | ttiicc | ok thanks |
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| 19:18.29 | stew | ttiicc: its stands for BackPOrts |
| 19:18.43 | dvs | ttiicc: you'll need the linux-base package too |
| 19:19.01 | jordanm | I would expect that to be a depends and automatic |
| 19:19.13 | stew | judd: depends linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 --release lenny-backports |
| 19:19.14 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 2.6.32-29~bpo50+1), initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | linux-initramfs-tool. |
| 19:19.23 | stew | indeed |
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| 19:20.58 | diphthong | JasonWoof: I am now doing that. thank you. |
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| 19:24.02 | ttiicc | ok guys which more packages do I have to downlad? |
| 19:24.10 | dvs | linux-base |
| 19:24.40 | ttiicc | ok |
| 19:24.42 | stew | dvs: its a dependency |
| 19:25.05 | dvs | stew: no lan connection means that it won't be downloaded automatically. |
| 19:25.20 | stew | ah |
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| 19:26.14 | JasonWoof | diphthong: there's also a ttf for misc-fixed: http://www.ank.com.ar/fonts/ try it at size 10. there is some anti-aliasing, but it's minimal, and has shapes almost identical to what I see in pterm |
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| 19:26.40 | thewanderer1 | how to resolve a hostname to AAAA record in console? |
| 19:26.59 | jordanm | thewanderer1: dig -t AAA? |
| 19:27.04 | brugidou | dig |
| 19:27.17 | thewanderer1 | alright... this is strange |
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| 19:27.32 | thewanderer1 | dig -t AAAA test-ipv6.com returns no record |
| 19:27.32 | JasonWoof | diphthong: oh, it appears to show in the font chooser dialog as "Fixed" |
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| 19:28.08 | thewanderer1 | oh, I had to ask the authoritative server for that domain. |
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| 19:28.39 | jordanm | dig -6 maybe? |
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| 19:29.11 | thewanderer1 | well, it only returns the SOA with some ns'es |
| 19:29.44 | ttiicc | the download gave me 2 files, linux-base_xxxxx and libuuid-per_xxxx |
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| 19:30.07 | ttiicc | so in which order should I install these packages? |
| 19:30.33 | thewanderer1 | I have a tunnel to HE tunnelbroker (IPv6-in-IPv4) and so far I'm unable to connect to anything on IPv6 |
| 19:30.49 | stew | ttiicc: you shoudl install all of them at once |
| 19:31.00 | ttiicc | ok |
| 19:31.03 | dvs | o_O that works? |
| 19:31.16 | stew | why wouldn't it? that's what apt would do |
| 19:31.29 | thewanderer1 | eh, it was just Chromium Browser which doesn't handle IPv6 right |
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| 19:31.41 | thewanderer1 | or somehow I can not force it to connect over IPv6 |
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| 19:32.01 | eshat | HELP! After fsck.ext4 all files on my partition disappeared ? |
| 19:32.24 | eshat | and it is my home partition |
| 19:32.53 | eshat | fsck found some errors, which I fixed automatically with -y option |
| 19:34.49 | ttiicc | Im done with the installation, should I reboot? |
| 19:35.00 | dvs | yes |
| 19:35.05 | thewanderer1 | how do I enable IPv6 in Chromium? |
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| 19:35.16 | ttiicc | nice, cause it doesn't work :) |
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| 19:36.27 | thewanderer1 | oh great. so I have to use a command line switch to enable IPv6... |
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| 19:37.11 | ttiicc | it's still not working!? |
| 19:37.38 | dvs | ttiicc: ip link |
| 19:37.51 | thewanderer1 | now, what DHCP6 server should I use and how to configure the clients? |
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| 19:38.08 | thewanderer1 | I've been using dnsmasq so far but it doesn't seem too good with IPv6 |
| 19:38.41 | ttiicc | http://pastebin.com/tnbL8tVS |
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| 19:39.07 | dvs | still not showing? |
| 19:39.19 | ttiicc | uname -r gives me 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 19:39.24 | dvs | what does uname -r say? |
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| 19:40.19 | ttiicc | dvs: 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 19:40.29 | dvs | ttiicc: lsmod | grep tg3 |
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| 19:41.08 | ttiicc | tg3 95519 0 |
| 19:41.25 | ttiicc | libphy 14006 1 tg3 |
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| 20:23.33 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I think I'll use a bridge with a subnet and allow traffic into that while dropping traffic into LAN in the end... |
| 20:23.44 | thewanderer1 | even if it means running apache2 on the bridge without any slave ifaces |
| 20:23.57 | thewanderer1 | well, perhaps I'll replace it with loopback if I can |
| 20:24.02 | ttiicc | still not working |
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| 20:24.58 | dvs | ttiicc: I'm out of ideas then. "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" might bring it up now but at this point, it should automatically come up whenever the computer is turned on. |
| 20:25.04 | ttiicc | and ip link just shows me the first lo line, I have to run modprobe -r tg3 and modprobe tg3 again ti get the second eth0 entry! |
| 20:25.58 | pLr | whippiii: try apt-get -f install |
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| 20:26.25 | ttiicc | ok what else do you think I could do |
| 20:26.27 | whippiii | pLr: doesnt work :S |
| 20:26.38 | pLr | whippiii: same error? |
| 20:26.42 | dvs | ttiicc: no ideas at this point |
| 20:26.44 | ttiicc | would installing sqeeze be an option |
| 20:27.05 | dvs | ttiicc: yes, but it uses the same kernel. |
| 20:27.10 | whippiii | pLr: yes |
| 20:27.18 | ttiicc | which's? |
| 20:27.19 | thewanderer1 | hey, I can use `arp` command to display the system's ARP cache. now I also have IPv6 working... how to manage the NDP cache, if something like that even exists? |
| 20:27.20 | pLr | whippiii: sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:27.24 | ttiicc | 32 or 26? |
| 20:27.26 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I'm not sure what you think you're doing but you may want to read man ifconfig for alias interfaces. |
| 20:27.37 | dvs | ttiicc: 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:27.37 | whippiii | pLr: gonna try |
| 20:27.46 | ttiicc | hmm okej |
| 20:27.59 | ttiicc | could it be that my card is to new? |
| 20:28.08 | ttiicc | but I don't think so |
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| 20:28.18 | dvs | ttiicc: could be but I think that one has been around for a while. |
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| 20:28.34 | ttiicc | anyhow thanks for all the help which I got |
| 20:28.44 | dvs | remembers using it on his P4P800 motherboard |
| 20:28.52 | pLr | thewanderer1: man ndp |
| 20:28.54 | ttiicc | there's another day tomorrow |
| 20:29.32 | thewanderer1 | pLr: not installed... will apt-file it |
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| 20:29.50 | pLr | thewanderer1: ndp is a utility specifically for that |
| 20:30.19 | thewanderer1 | pLr: yes, I can't seem to find it on packages.debian.org though |
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| 20:31.49 | thewanderer1 | hence "man ndp" yields no results |
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| 20:31.57 | eightcell | ls -la |
| 20:32.00 | eightcell | lol |
| 20:32.06 | eightcell | command fail |
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| 20:45.12 | SerajewelKS | crontab is for doing stuff every so often, not on boot |
| 20:45.44 | ttiicc | they got a special @reboot too! |
| 20:45.55 | SerajewelKS | still, that's the wrong tool for the job |
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| 20:46.19 | dvs | In the meantime, you can upgrade to squeeze while the link works. |
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| 20:46.35 | SerajewelKS | you'd be better off blacklisting the module that's causing trouble |
| 20:46.48 | ttiicc | I create a script and runs it with crontab @reboot |
| 20:46.53 | dvs | oh? is bnx still being loaded? |
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| 20:47.20 | nirazio | dkr: Gedit and Nautilus are started. Nautilus is in the background and Gedit in the foreground. How to bring Nautilus in the front with a shell command? |
| 20:47.27 | SerajewelKS | dvs: you seemed to indicate so: 15:44 < dvs> ttiicc: you have to run modprobe -r; modprobe; ifdown and ifup all again |
| 20:47.37 | dvs | smacks himself |
| 20:47.54 | pLr | alt+tab ? |
| 20:47.57 | pLr | >< |
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| 20:48.08 | dkr | nirazio: by not being lazy and reading the link I gave you and reading how to use wmctrl |
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| 20:50.43 | nirazio | dkr: I read that link,how ever it is not working when i try to bring nautilus in-front.. |
| 20:51.20 | gena2x | xdotool windowraise $(xdotool search --name nau|head -n 1) |
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| 20:51.52 | dkr | oops, that raised my naughty school girls window |
| 20:52.02 | dvs | woohoo! |
| 20:52.46 | gena2x | more shell sex may help to find window you want |
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| 20:53.00 | tzafrir_laptop | I got a hold of a poor Sylvania netbook. |
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| 20:55.21 | tzafrir_laptop | It's VIA C7, 512MB RAM, 30GB disk, small display (800x480) |
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| 20:55.32 | tzafrir_laptop | I wonder what I can do with it |
| 20:55.33 | nirazio | gena2x: It's not working |
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| 20:56.58 | tzafrir_laptop | It currently has "gOS", which I don't really like |
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| 20:57.15 | thewanderer1 | tzafrir_laptop: gOS is actually Linux, so there's a good chance it will work with Debian |
| 20:57.16 | tzafrir_laptop | Though I hope I'll be able to put something newbie-friendly on it |
| 20:57.36 | Sony666 | hi |
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| 20:57.45 | thewanderer1 | tzafrir_laptop: if it has a USB port, you can probably boot off that |
| 20:57.54 | tzafrir_laptop | thewanderer1, the device is rather old. from the looks of it, the hardware should work well with a recent Linux |
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| 20:58.36 | tzafrir_laptop | But I wonder what UI I can use that will work well in 800x480 and be reasonable for a newb |
| 20:58.58 | thewanderer1 | tzafrir_laptop: LXDE would be okay for this kind of hardware |
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| 20:59.14 | thewanderer1 | I'm gonna use the same on a mobile phone with this kind of desktop resolution :P |
| 20:59.17 | ScottG | Does anyone know of a way to get wgetpaste for debian? |
| 20:59.37 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: and wgetpaste does what? |
| 20:59.50 | stew | the same as pastebinit probably |
| 21:00.27 | ScottG | thewanderer1: wgetpaste file.xt - then it will spit a link back to you of a pastebin (or another site) that has your file hosted |
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| 21:00.37 | ScottG | stew: Haven't heard of that one |
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| 21:02.02 | ScottG | stew: Awesome, thanks. wgetpaste seemed popular. Never heard of this one. Gonna try it out |
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| 21:08.22 | akio | Why isn't there news of RC1? |
| 21:08.45 | stew | akio: it should go out shortly |
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| 21:09.16 | akio | I'm excite!(sic) |
| 21:09.56 | akio | Although I am having issues installing squeeze. |
| 21:10.13 | akio | But I am trying to install with the root on an lvm, on a raid1. |
| 21:10.22 | akio | I mean raid0. |
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| 21:11.00 | karlpinc | akio: Report a bug if there is one. |
| 21:12.11 | akio | I'm right in thinking I should be able to tell partman to not install to mbr, but to /dev/md0 correct? |
| 21:12.48 | stew | that doesn't sound right |
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| 21:13.14 | akio | There are two disks that are actually two hardware raid mirrors. |
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| 21:14.07 | akio | Software raid0 is used over those to make a lvm root. |
| 21:14.47 | karlpinc | akio: Grub may not understand raid, so so not get the right device when it tries to load the 2nd stage boot loader. Dunno. |
| 21:15.10 | stew | the software to assemble the raid0 is on the raid zero which cannot be used to assembe the raid0 in order to boot the system in order to assemble the raid0 |
| 21:15.58 | karlpinc | akio: You may need to install twice, once to the mbr of each half of the software raid0. Each would get the 2nd stage loader from it's own half of the mirror. You could switch from one to the other if a "disk" goes out. |
| 21:16.27 | karlpinc | akio: (install grub that is) |
| 21:16.33 | stew | karlpinc: are you confusing raid0 with raid1? |
| 21:16.39 | akio | I think so. |
| 21:16.49 | stew | karlpinc: if a disk goes out you lose everything in raid0 |
| 21:16.51 | karlpinc | stew: Humm. I think so too. |
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| 21:17.32 | akio | from what I have read it appears that grub2 is able to boot to a raid0 |
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| 21:22.17 | akio | stew: I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that I am not actually installing to hard drives, I am installing to four drives, of which two hardware raid1 mirrors are created. |
| 21:23.00 | akio | When grub-installer is run, I'm wondering if it creates an MBR or if in this case there isn't one and doesn't create one... |
| 21:23.03 | stew | akio: it shouldn't matter if the devices are hard drives or hardware raid1 mirrors, they should all look the same tolinux |
| 21:23.31 | akio | I'm going to try again with the rc1 images. |
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| 21:24.34 | Quibus | hi all |
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| 21:25.36 | Quibus | After downloading a dsc, orig and diff.gz file of a package, what's the fastest way to make a .deb out of this? |
| 21:26.20 | Bushmills | probably, using the fastest machine you can get hold of |
| 21:27.04 | karlpinc | Quibus: Dunno. You could "/msg dpkg make your own .deb". That might or might not help. |
| 21:27.41 | Sony666 | i just dl debian-507-ia64-kde-CD-1.iso, it's not bootable cd ??? |
| 21:27.57 | dvs | Sony666: ia64 is Itanium |
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| 21:28.10 | stew | Sony666: it is, but you probably don't have an itanium2, and you want the amd64 image instead |
| 21:28.28 | Sony666 | Itanium ? |
| 21:28.31 | stew | Quibus: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc ; cd foo-$version ; debuild |
| 21:28.33 | Quibus | karlpinc: this is more about making a .deb out of source packages |
| 21:28.36 | dvs | !itanium |
| 21:28.36 | dpkg | from memory, itanium is intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 21:28.41 | dvs | ha!~ |
| 21:28.43 | pipeline | that's a terrible definition |
| 21:28.45 | Quibus | stew: teh files are not on a repository |
| 21:28.53 | Quibus | Does that matter? no. |
| 21:28.55 | Quibus | I'll try it :-) |
| 21:28.59 | Sony666 | yes i've an intel 64 bit |
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| 21:29.03 | stew | Quibus: no. but you'll also have to install the build-deps |
| 21:29.05 | dvs | pipeline: so kick dpkg's butt! ;-) |
| 21:29.08 | stew | Sony666: you ahve an amd64, not an ia64 |
| 21:29.19 | stew | Sony666: if you had an ia64 you'd know exactly what an itanium2 was |
| 21:29.23 | dvs | Sony666: it's not an Itanium |
| 21:29.33 | pipeline | !itanium |
| 21:29.33 | dpkg | methinks itanium is intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 21:29.33 | Sony666 | i've an intel core I5 64 bit |
| 21:29.39 | Sony666 | it' amd64 ? |
| 21:29.42 | stew | Sony666: yes |
| 21:29.44 | dvs | Sony666: yes |
| 21:29.56 | Sony666 | it's strange |
| 21:29.56 | dvs | AMD created the 64-bit extensions |
| 21:29.56 | pipeline | !itanium |
| 21:29.56 | dpkg | methinks itanium is intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. It is primarily used in HP-UX systems. |
| 21:30.02 | Sony666 | ok dvs |
| 21:30.10 | karlpinc | !why amd64 |
| 21:30.10 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 21:30.16 | dvs | Then Intel licenced them from AMD |
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| 21:32.55 | pipeline | I kept thinking about buying an itanium system for the cheap RAM capacity |
| 21:33.01 | pipeline | now that PC laptops hold 8G, I'm pretty glad I didn't |
| 21:33.14 | Quibus | stew: seems I don't have 'debuild' |
| 21:33.36 | Quibus | Should I install devscripts? |
| 21:33.39 | dvs | pictures pipeline dragging his Itanium on a dolly. |
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| 21:34.09 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: you'd actually appreciate the cleanliness of IA-64 platform... less bugs and less workarounds in kernel :) |
| 21:34.29 | dvs | thewanderer1: of course, but the public spoke. |
| 21:34.39 | pipeline | thewanderer1: less hardware to find bugs in ! |
| 21:34.53 | dvs | less legacy too |
| 21:34.59 | Mad7Scientst | could someone please dpkg-query -S bin/loadkeys |
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| 21:35.29 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, what about 32bit emulation on IA-64? |
| 21:35.44 | dvs | Mad7Scientst: it was too slow to be useful |
| 21:35.58 | nirazio | The anti-aliasing of my system (of GTK?) has gone weird after I did one of two things - do a system update, and install gimp 2.7 beta...How to get it back??? |
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| 21:36.29 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: non-existant, which is a good thing :) |
| 21:36.43 | adb | , versions gimp |
| 21:36.45 | judd | Package gimp on i386 -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; sid: 2.6.11-1 |
| 21:36.56 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: and loadkeys is in `kbd` package |
| 21:37.32 | Mad7Scientst | thanks!!! |
| 21:37.56 | Mad7Scientst | dvs, so linux doesn't implement it |
| 21:38.20 | dvs | Mad7Scientst: the emulation? I'm not sure. |
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| 21:39.42 | Quibus | hmm, the signing of the package failed |
| 21:39.49 | Quibus | (but I don't care) |
| 21:39.56 | Quibus | How do I make sure debuild doesn't fail on this? |
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| 21:40.37 | Quibus | ah, I found some options |
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| 21:43.34 | Mad7Scientst | Yeah wasn't ia64 supposed to be some awesome new architecture |
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| 21:43.45 | dvs | Mad7Scientst: yes |
| 21:43.57 | Quibus | OK, got it, thanks all |
| 21:44.00 | Mad7Scientst | but that there is no compiler which can take advantage of it |
| 21:44.10 | akio | stew: I have some Itaniums lol |
| 21:44.12 | pipeline | Mad7Scientst: ia64 actually accomplished its goals: it killed off the bulk of the RISC vendors without actually shipping a single unit. |
| 21:44.32 | pipeline | Mad7Scientst: MIPS, Alpha, and HPPA just gave up the ghost because they couldn't compete against ia64, sight unseen. |
| 21:44.33 | Mad7Scientst | ia64 can execute 6 instructions concurrently with proper ASM programing |
| 21:44.35 | Mad7Scientst | that's funny |
| 21:45.02 | Mad7Scientst | We shoud have had ia64 back in 1993 when games were coded in asm |
| 21:45.07 | Mad7Scientst | it would have been amazing |
| 21:45.20 | Mad7Scientst | Alpha was the best! |
| 21:45.31 | Mad7Scientst | Isn't it still the fastest core / MHz or something |
| 21:45.32 | akio | Also, grub will not install to anything I tell it to. |
| 21:45.43 | Mad7Scientst | grub-install /dev/xxx doesn't work? |
| 21:45.55 | akio | I'm using the debian installer. |
| 21:45.56 | Quibus | see you |
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| 21:46.17 | akio | grub-installer I think is the command. |
| 21:46.23 | akio | And no. |
| 21:46.30 | pipeline | Mad7Scientst: Alpha was the smallest RISC player, they were never competitive on $$$, and their performance lead was on-again/off-again. |
| 21:46.36 | Mad7Scientst | Elshar, how can somebody back you on IRC if you have a made up reverse DNS like that? |
| 21:46.56 | Mad7Scientst | ban you not back you |
| 21:47.17 | Mad7Scientst | Computers have gotten so fast it is amazing |
| 21:47.36 | dvs | Mad7Scientst: seems to be stalled at the moment. |
| 21:47.40 | jelly-home | and yet the software they're running still seems sluggish, esp. the free software |
| 21:48.12 | Mad7Scientst | Yeah now they have to go multi core |
| 21:48.52 | Mad7Scientst | I keep thinking of my Pentium 3 1GHz CPUs as fast |
| 21:49.05 | Elshar | What, you don't like it? :( |
| 21:49.10 | Mad7Scientst | In 2004 I had 233MHz computer |
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| 21:56.28 | minver | When I create user like passenger or mongodb to handle my webserver and database, I don't need a home directory, right? Is that good-practice? |
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| 21:58.01 | krion | hey guys |
| 21:58.10 | karlpinc | minver: I don't know what those are, but daemon's don't need home directories in /home. They do need to have some current working directory though, usually in /var somewhere. |
| 21:58.18 | Bushmills | can somebody who runs pidgin please move the mouse pointer into its chat window, wait for 10 .. 20 seconds, and see whether mouse pointer starts to flash quickly while CPU load goes up? |
| 21:58.19 | karlpinc | minver: s/'// |
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| 21:59.12 | minver | minver: okay, thanks, so I just remove the home folder for those users then |
| 21:59.24 | Bushmills | ehm ... refining those instructions: seombody who also has unclutter installed |
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| 22:01.46 | karlpinc | minver: That depends on what you put in /etc/passwd for their home directory. |
| 22:03.13 | thewanderer1 | minver: why don't you just run the web server as www-data? |
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| 22:11.14 | KipMacy | I have a debian host with an external Ip, port 80 is reachable by the whole world. on this host, i have a Vbox VM, running apache, port 80. How can i make it so the world can see apache on the vm ? |
| 22:11.16 | minver | thewanderer1: thanks for that advise |
| 22:12.05 | thewanderer1 | KipMacy: so you want to run 2 HTTP servers on 1 external IP address? |
| 22:12.58 | KipMacy | thewanderer1: i am ok with not running a web server on the debian host with external ip. maybe something like perlbal ? or is pound smart enough to proxy things to do what i want? |
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| 22:13.28 | krion | looks like i hit bug 600241 |
| 22:13.30 | thewanderer1 | KipMacy: do you have a domain for host Apache and another domain name (can be subdomain) for the virtual apache? |
| 22:13.55 | KipMacy | thewanderer1: i do! |
| 22:14.01 | thewanderer1 | KipMacy: cause in this case you can set up haproxy as a reverse proxy and have it route packets to whichever server is appropriate, based on Host: header |
| 22:14.23 | KipMacy | thewanderer1: so i set up haproxy on the debian host? ok i'll go try |
| 22:14.27 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 22:15.33 | Chelsea | Hi all, I've heard Linux mint has a version out (rolling) based on Testing. Can anyone tell me what goes into testing? When is something "stable" enough to be in testing? |
| 22:15.40 | someuser | I've just updated to squeeze and can't figure out how to get grub to update using the settings in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:15.47 | someuser | update-grub and update-grub2 both appear to do nothing. |
| 22:15.51 | someuser | and grub-mkconfig has no output. |
| 22:16.03 | thewanderer1 | and you set up ACL entries so that vmhostdomain.tld uses backend "vbox" or whatever you call it, and externaldomain.tld gets assigned to your "host" backend |
| 22:16.05 | someuser | what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:16.09 | eshat | someuser: what exactly is missing ? update-grub is correct |
| 22:16.40 | someuser | eshat: there's no output (I forget if there should be), and /boot/grub/grub.cfg isn't updated. |
| 22:16.48 | jelly-home | Chelsea: typically it's 10 days after it fails to acquire serious bugs being in unstable branach |
| 22:16.53 | eshat | someuser: it updates /boot/grub/grub.cfg . If you want to install grub to your MBR use grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 22:16.58 | someuser | I don't. |
| 22:17.00 | someuser | and it doesn't. |
| 22:17.10 | eshat | someuser: that is strange |
| 22:17.13 | someuser | or if it does, it's not modifying the time on the file. |
| 22:17.29 | someuser | I'm trying to disable the graphical interface so I can... actually use grub2 with a serial console. |
| 22:17.56 | thewanderer1 | Chelsea: "When packages have met certain criteria, they are automatically moved from unstable to the current "testing" branch." |
| 22:18.07 | Chelsea | jelly-home, So that would make it almost identical to current in upstream right? |
| 22:18.38 | jelly-home | Chelsea: no, it would make it similar to what's in debian unstable, but delayed by 10 days or more |
| 22:18.44 | thewanderer1 | Chelsea: original "testing" announcement with policy statement: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html |
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| 22:19.08 | thewanderer1 | but now Testing is frozen, you have to take that into consideration |
| 22:19.31 | Chelsea | thewanderer1, thanks! |
| 22:20.12 | jelly-home | during the freeze there are different rules, /msg dpkg freeze |
| 22:21.22 | thewanderer1 | this dpkg here tells me that freezes are now time-based... is this news still current? |
| 22:21.35 | thewanderer1 | I thought this proposal was rejected after all |
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| 22:23.04 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: plz fix the factoid if you find issues with it? |
| 22:23.07 | someuser | eshat: ugh. It's my own fault, I use a grsecurity kernel normally and downgrade to a stock debian kernel for upgrades... of course grub2 defaults to the newest kernel (grsec enabled) and because it's a graphical console I can't see what I'm doing to change it. Disabling all grsec protections on /usr/sbin/grub-probe fixed it. Annoying. |
| 22:23.27 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: dunno how, do I even have permissions? |
| 22:23.35 | someuser | thanks. |
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| 22:24.04 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: yes. everyone/anyone does, except for a very small numbe of locked factoids |
| 22:24.06 | Chelsea | So if testing is frozen during feature freeze, and that takes "until it's ready", sid would make it current bleeding edge. |
| 22:24.17 | thewanderer1 | Chelsea: pretty much yes |
| 22:24.23 | thewanderer1 | with much bleeding indeed |
| 22:24.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: /msg dpkg no, foo is [something else] |
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| 22:24.57 | Chelsea | Now I have something to look forward to .... next realease ;) |
| 22:25.45 | thewanderer1 | wow jelly-home, I had no idea... it worked |
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| 22:25.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: of course you're going to be ridiculed if you leave crap in the database ;-) |
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| 22:26.15 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I know, but this about time-based freezes seemed inaccurate |
| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you can also check whether a factoid is merely a symlink to some other before making a change -- /msg dpkg literal foo |
| 22:26.59 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: eg. /msg dpkg literal d-m |
| 22:27.43 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the hint |
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| 22:27.56 | thewanderer1 | looks as if dpkg should implement its own VFS layer :P |
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| 22:28.22 | jelly-home | lays it on thewanderer1 |
| 22:28.45 | thewanderer1 | frowns upon his poor coding skills |
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| 22:29.26 | thewanderer1 | well, I could do it, but then dpkg would end up being rewritten from scratch in PHP |
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| 22:32.50 | susurration | Hello |
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| 22:34.03 | susurration | Which is best: apt, aptitude, or synaptic? |
| 22:34.05 | krion | if i want to modify grub2 behaviour from "rescue" system, modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg is enough right ? |
| 22:34.17 | krion | i want to add acpi=off to squeeze debian acpi=off bios freeze |
| 22:34.27 | thewanderer1 | susurration: use whatever works for you. |
| 22:34.29 | krion | i want to add acpi=off to multiboot /xen line |
| 22:34.40 | krion | susurration: in my POV, aptitude |
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| 22:35.19 | thewanderer1 | krion: no, you should edit /etc/default/grub instead |
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| 22:36.08 | blue_sky | susurration: I like dselect, but I think I'm the only person who still uses it! |
| 22:36.48 | krion | thewanderer1: even if i can't manage to chroot and update-grub ? |
| 22:37.20 | thewanderer1 | krion: then just append whatever options you need for the time being, but they will be wiped with next update-grub |
| 22:37.28 | krion | ok thanks |
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| 22:39.51 | Rickasaurus | man, this whole new sudo subsystem has made working in debian impossible |
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| 22:41.41 | stew | Rickasaurus: what sudo subsystem? |
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| 22:42.31 | nevyn | suspects that the managemnt practices of the project systems were changed. |
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| 22:51.02 | jelly-home | stew: it's next to the pumpkin |
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| 22:53.03 | thewanderer1 | when I execute `startx fluxbox`, it starts X with xterm... why? |
| 22:53.23 | thewanderer1 | I'd like to start this all without any xterm |
| 22:53.54 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: do you have a ~/.xinitrc, and if so, what's in it? |
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| 22:54.15 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: no such file |
| 22:54.34 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: this also happens when I run startx and xinit as root, who doesn't have such file either |
| 22:55.07 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: is there an /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc? |
| 22:55.33 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 22:56.41 | thewanderer1 | it calls some file called /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20x11-common_process-args |
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| 22:57.04 | thewanderer1 | and this in turn launches xterm |
| 22:58.07 | maplebed | I'm upgrading to squeeze and trying to diagnose a problem getting my hostname set correctly. Is there a page describing the differences between the dhcp3-client package used in lenny and the isc-dhcp-client package in squeeze someone could point me to? |
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| 23:00.10 | zz5-ux | hi, i have had an issue with two separate debian systems rebooting themselves, only once but still not good, in the messages log it looks like a normal reboot was called, but it was not |
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| 23:01.24 | thewanderer1 | so startx always starts the session in "failsafe" mode |
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| 23:03.42 | thewanderer1 | also, I can't spawn a subshell after launching startx |
| 23:04.02 | thewanderer1 | as in, every attempt to launch a terminal emulator fail |
| 23:04.08 | Rickasaurus | stew, sudoers |
| 23:04.08 | thewanderer1 | a window flashes by and then disappears |
| 23:04.17 | thewanderer1 | this is crazy |
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| 23:06.14 | blue_sky | thewanderer1: have you thought of using a session manager? xdm, wdm, or gdm? |
| 23:07.03 | thewanderer1 | blue_sky: yes, it works fine with that, but I'd like to launch X automatically on vt8 |
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| 23:07.38 | thewanderer1 | and start, say, a browser window within... or a console, or anything at all for now |
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| 23:08.55 | thewanderer1 | I thought it'd be possible with `startx openbox -- :1 vt8`, but apparently things are not working as expected |
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| 23:12.20 | Bushmills | use full path |
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| 23:13.52 | ajikeshi | hi... |
| 23:14.36 | ajikeshi | i need help regarding wifi... is there a possibility to forbid usage of an AP by MAC? currently i switch using iwconfig bla ap mac |
| 23:14.39 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 23:14.58 | ajikeshi | both AP have the same ssid |
| 23:15.14 | ajikeshi | googling just brought up macos crap |
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| 23:16.36 | thewanderer1 | I think I'll just use kdm with autologin :P |
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| 23:17.44 | m1ndvirus | Is there a user-made package archive? |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: not really |
| 23:18.24 | m1ndvirus | :( |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: nothing to the extent of the PPA garbage Ubuntu has |
| 23:18.59 | ajikeshi | yeah.. such a thing would endanger the stability of debian |
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| 23:19.42 | m1ndvirus | abrotman: Anything like AUR? |
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| 23:20.30 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: we don't have user archives in general .. Debian doesn't revolve around the SNS syndrome |
| 23:20.53 | m1ndvirus | Eh? |
| 23:21.11 | m1ndvirus | The thing is, I want more updated packages from upstream. |
| 23:21.12 | abrotman | and the users are generally savvy enough to figure out how to backport packages and/or compile their own stuff if they want newer software |
| 23:21.19 | m1ndvirus | Aha. |
| 23:21.23 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: for which package? which version of Debian ? |
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| 23:21.34 | m1ndvirus | Linux Mint Debian. |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: FFS .. this channel isn't for supporting Mint .. go ask them |
| 23:22.04 | Spec | !backports |
| 23:22.04 | abrotman | and no, it's not Debian |
| 23:22.04 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:22.20 | m1ndvirus | abrotman: As far as I understand Linux Mint Debian is based on Debian (100% compatible) so I feel safe asking here. |
| 23:22.23 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: i believe the channel is #linux-mint on irc.spotchat.org |
| 23:22.28 | Spec | m1ndvirus: but it's not Debian. |
| 23:22.31 | m1ndvirus | I am there, and it's #linuxmint-debian. |
| 23:22.32 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: it is NOT Debian .. it is not up for discussion |
| 23:22.41 | Spec | m1ndvirus: If it's the same as Debian, why'd you install it, instead of installed Debian? :( |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: if it were Debian, it would be called Debian .. |
| 23:22.52 | m1ndvirus | Spec: Because it's Debian plus a few niceties. |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: it's offtopic here, have a nice day |
| 23:23.07 | Spec | Oh. so you should ask in #linux-mint on irc.spotchat.org |
| 23:23.18 | Spec | m1ndvirus: Debian backports might break mint, anyways. |
| 23:23.29 | m1ndvirus | Look, you can be pedantic, but anything you say here that will help a Debian user will help me. |
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| 23:23.36 | m1ndvirus | I am just asking for hospitality. |
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| 23:23.53 | Spec | I don't think he understood the part where he needs to ask the mint people for help on mint. |
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| 23:24.04 | abrotman | m1ndvirus: you are offotpic in this channel, please keep it ontopic, you've been silenced for 10 minutes .. ask the Mint people for |
| 23:24.05 | abrotman | bleh |
| 23:24.08 | Spec | abrotman: how often do you get mint guys in here? :-/ |
| 23:24.20 | abrotman | too damn often .. |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | it might be easier if the Mint people had a channel on freenode, but not really my problem i guess |
| 23:27.03 | ShakeyJake | Hi guys, are there any known problems with the week's testing builds? I'm trying to install i386 on my eee and it'll get to installing software and then fail at about 66% |
| 23:27.21 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: how old is it? you probably want to use a Daily netinst and update from there |
| 23:27.34 | ShakeyJake | the build? today it says |
| 23:28.09 | ShakeyJake | i got it from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | i386? |
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| 23:28.24 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: yup |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | dunno, i always use the netinst .. much better use of network resources |
| 23:28.44 | ShakeyJake | i see |
| 23:28.46 | stew | Rickasaurus: sudoers hadn't changed in a long time. are you just saing that you don't like using sudo? |
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| 23:29.03 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: was it a CDRW? |
| 23:29.11 | Rickasaurus | maybe the vps image I was using before was very old |
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| 23:29.20 | abrotman | VPS? |
| 23:29.26 | stew | Rickasaurus: why? what is different? |
| 23:29.29 | Rickasaurus | virtualized server |
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| 23:29.37 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: yes it was, installed via sd card. |
| 23:29.38 | abrotman | oh .. wrong person .. ignore me :) |
| 23:29.45 | Rickasaurus | I'm having all kinds of problems with environment stuff not making it past su |
| 23:29.46 | ShakeyJake | cool |
| 23:29.54 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: oh .. did you check the Debug console in the installer to see where it was stuck ? |
| 23:29.58 | Rickasaurus | in end end I've just been passing env the things I need |
| 23:30.02 | Rickasaurus | but it's very tiresome |
| 23:30.06 | gondoi | i'm trying to get some info on how apt-get "locks" the dpkg lock file |
| 23:30.07 | stew | Rickasaurus: ah, yes, in that respect, some security stuff has been tighttened |
| 23:30.07 | ShakeyJake | no, but the error is still on screen |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | the error is? |
| 23:30.18 | ShakeyJake | how would i do that? <---- is a newb |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: alt-f4 IIRC or f3 .. one of those |
| 23:30.45 | gondoi | figured out it's not a flock, but how does apt-get know the db is being used? |
| 23:30.53 | stew | Rickasaurus: there are ways to make adjustments to what is scrubbed from the environment if you look at the sudo and sudoers manpages |
| 23:30.54 | ShakeyJake | installation step failed - you can try to run the failing item again from the menu or skip it and choosre something else . . . . . |
| 23:30.55 | Rickasaurus | By locking things down so far you just encourage people to run as root |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: which step ? |
| 23:31.25 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: warning: meny item 'pkgsel' failed |
| 23:31.30 | ShakeyJake | installing software |
| 23:31.39 | ShakeyJake | menu* |
| 23:31.41 | stew | Rickasaurus: the other option is to give root privileges away that you didn't intend to give away... |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: i'd try the netinst .. see if it goes differently |
| 23:32.01 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:32.05 | Rickasaurus | stew, for a one user system it's a bit pointless |
| 23:32.22 | Rickasaurus | I'm just trying to set up a git + continious integration server |
| 23:32.26 | Rickasaurus | and it's making my life hard |
| 23:32.29 | abrotman | good security practice is pointless? |
| 23:32.50 | ShakeyJake | can i whack on the sd card again? |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | it's your SD card? |
| 23:33.04 | Rickasaurus | I'm just saying, debian is falling into the same trap thay windows did with UAC |
| 23:33.15 | Rickasaurus | now everyone just shuts off security because it's too much of a PITA |
| 23:33.17 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: i was using one to install to the eee |
| 23:33.18 | stew | Rickasaurus: not just debian, every os that uses sudo |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | Rickasaurus: and you want to fall into the same trap they had with DOS and Win95 .. |
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| 23:33.26 | stew | Rickasaurus: this is not at all a debian specific change |
| 23:33.53 | Rickasaurus | well, the defaults are debian specific right? |
| 23:33.58 | stew | Rickasaurus: no |
| 23:34.25 | Rickasaurus | I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just think it's the wrong way |
| 23:34.33 | Rickasaurus | why not use jails or something like that |
| 23:34.39 | stew | Rickasaurus: go for it |
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| 23:34.54 | Rickasaurus | I'm trying to write up a tutorial for beginner linux users |
| 23:34.57 | Rickasaurus | on setting this stuff up |
| 23:35.04 | Rickasaurus | and sudoers has made it about 200% harder |
| 23:35.12 | stew | Rickasaurus: then don't use it |
| 23:35.26 | jelly-home | relying on distro defaults doesn't seem to fall under "good security practice" |
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| 23:35.32 | Rickasaurus | well, I'm not in control of their boxes :) |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: i meant the using of users other than root on a single-user box |
| 23:35.55 | stew | Rickasaurus: how is sudoers making this harder then? |
| 23:36.04 | stew | Rickasaurus: are you in control of /etc/sudoers on their boxes? |
| 23:36.11 | Rickasaurus | for example, one step in this is building and installing mono |
| 23:36.21 | Rickasaurus | it suddenly become very complex to add mono to the path |
| 23:36.43 | jelly-home | Rickasaurus: sounds like you want to contact your admins |
| 23:36.48 | Rickasaurus | also confusingly, su echo $PATH lies for some reason |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | i think he is hte admin? |
| 23:37.00 | Rickasaurus | I am the admin... |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: how long will it take to test? |
| 23:37.04 | stew | Rickasaurus: "aptitude install monodevelop" |
| 23:37.12 | Rickasaurus | It's outdated... |
| 23:37.16 | abrotman | backport it! |
| 23:37.25 | Rickasaurus | the backport is outdated |
| 23:37.29 | ShakeyJake | wget says 30% so far, i was thinking about just waiting till tomorrow (its 23:37 here) |
| 23:37.36 | jelly-home | ,versions monodevelop |
| 23:37.38 | judd | Package monodevelop on i386 -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 2.2.1+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.4+dfsg-3; squeeze: 2.4+dfsg-3; experimental: 2.4.1+dfsg-1 |
| 23:37.44 | stew | Rickasaurus: "su echo $PATH" doesn't lie |
| 23:37.52 | Rickasaurus | 2.4 is about 2 years old |
| 23:38.00 | stew | Rickasaurus: and that is rather silly thing to do, since echo doesn't need superuser rights |
| 23:38.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | can somebody help me with sar.. |
| 23:38.26 | Rickasaurus | when I run 'su ./file.sh' it doesn't get my user path |
| 23:38.34 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: up to you .. |
| 23:38.37 | Rickasaurus | but when I type su echo $PATH it does |
| 23:38.44 | Rickasaurus | oh, that was a dumb mistake |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: please ask a better question .. that's vague |
| 23:38.48 | stew | Rickasaurus: no, its not supposed to, see "man su" |
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| 23:38.52 | Rickasaurus | $PATH is resolved by my local shell |
| 23:38.54 | jelly-home | Rickasaurus: "MonoDevelop 2.4 has been released. See the official announcement. |
| 23:38.55 | jelly-home | June 16, 2010" |
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| 23:39.03 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: at the risk of sounding like a newbie, what is different with the netinst? |
| 23:39.06 | stew | Rickasaurus: and the manpage tells you how to change this if you want to change this |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: almost two years ago! |
| 23:39.17 | ShakeyJake | actually, thats a job for google, doesnt matter |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: lots more people use it? |
| 23:39.40 | Rickasaurus | ,versions mono |
| 23:39.41 | judd | Package mono on i386 -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1 |
| 23:39.43 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: lol, fair enough |
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| 23:40.02 | Rickasaurus | ,versions cli-common |
| 23:40.04 | judd | Package cli-common on i386 -- etch: 0.4.6; lenny: 0.5.7; lenny-backports: 0.7~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.1; squeeze: 0.7.1 |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | Rickasaurus: lenny or squeeze? |
| 23:40.17 | Rickasaurus | I'm on lenny |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | judd: versions libmono2.0-cil |
| 23:40.29 | chilli0 | Hello, How can I find the uptime in debian ? I know it is in a file cheers. |
| 23:40.29 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: i appreciate your time, but I'm certainly waiting till tomorrow after work |
| 23:40.30 | judd | Package libmono2.0-cil on i386 -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-backports: 1.9.1+dfsg-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | much better |
| 23:40.40 | Rickasaurus | 2.6.7 is about a year old |
| 23:40.41 | stew | judd: versions mono-runtime |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: got it .. come back if you have more questions |
| 23:40.43 | judd | Package mono-runtime on i386 -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-backports: 1.9.1+dfsg-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 23:40.44 | jelly-home | chilli0: amazingly, it's the "uptime" command. |
| 23:41.00 | chilli0 | jelly-home, No, I need to fine the file that it is kept in. |
| 23:41.05 | jelly-home | chilli0: why? |
| 23:41.06 | k[t | :i assume you just want the: "Defaults !env_reset" option in your sudoers file |
| 23:41.17 | nkuttler | chilli0: have a look in /proc |
| 23:41.20 | chilli0 | jelly-home, Running it through a program. |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | chilli0: cat /proc/uptime ? |
| 23:41.31 | stew | Rickasaurus: lenny is 2 years old |
| 23:41.46 | ShakeyJake | abrotman: we'll see, im hoping once im installed setup is fairly ubuntuish (well, ubuntu is debianish but you get the point) |
| 23:41.53 | chilli0 | abrotman, Thanks, is that time in seconds? |
| 23:42.08 | Rickasaurus | stew, I get it though, that's why I just built from source |
| 23:42.11 | Rickasaurus | I need 2.8.2 |
| 23:42.35 | stew | Rickasaurus: and what about sudo makes this hard? |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | ShakeyJake: you might need a bit more hand holding .. but we'll be here :) |
| 23:42.50 | Rickasaurus | stew, that it doesn't preseve environment variables |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | it can |
| 23:43.13 | stew | Rickasaurus: it would be insane to preserve all the environment variables from a security standpoint |
| 23:43.16 | stew | by default |
| 23:43.19 | ShakeyJake | well isn't that nice |
| 23:43.20 | jelly-home | chilli0: man 5 proc will confirm that guess |
| 23:43.42 | stew | since that would prevent you from being able to limit a sudoer to a single command |
| 23:44.06 | Rickasaurus | hrm, that's true |
| 23:44.11 | stew | Rickasaurus: what environment variables do you need to preserve? |
| 23:44.13 | Rickasaurus | It's a difficult problem |
| 23:44.24 | stew | Rickasaurus: can you not just run a script with sudo that sets the environment it needs? |
| 23:44.33 | Rickasaurus | just path, I ended up using env to pass in the path I needed |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | that's crazy talk! |
| 23:45.01 | jelly-home | having a separate env.setting script IS silly |
| 23:45.03 | pielgrzym | hi, I'm seeking advice - what is the best place to place an application socket? I place it right now in /tmp since each socket is owned by unprivileged user, but /tmp doesn't seem a valid place for that. /var/run needs special root permissions to be written to :/ any ideas? :) I want each user to be least powerfull since each app can be potentially compromised |
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| 23:45.15 | stew | Rickasaurus: and you can't set the path of the user they sudo to? |
| 23:45.33 | abrotman | pielgrzym: could you perhaps create a subdir under /var/run/ that would allow a user to write the file ? |
| 23:45.47 | pielgrzym | abrotman: great idea! :) |
| 23:46.49 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: you can mkdir and chown a directory in /var/run/ in the service init script if it doesn't exist. /var/run may be cleaned on reboot |
| 23:47.08 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: good to know |
| 23:47.40 | pielgrzym | best practice would be to create a user dir inside /var/run on each service start for socket that belongs only to this service, right? |
| 23:47.47 | justin | pielgrzym: why not just store it in the users home directory? |
| 23:48.03 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: that's what many packaged services do. |
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| 23:48.15 | jelly-home | justin: violates FHS ;-) |
| 23:48.36 | pielgrzym | justin: well, I just realized that a init script I've written does su - user /the/script so this is basically the best idea :D |
| 23:48.45 | jelly-home | (unless the users' home IS in, say, /var/lib/servicename) |
| 23:48.47 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: violates what? :) |
| 23:48.49 | justin | FHS is stupid about some things :) |
| 23:48.54 | jelly-home | !FHS |
| 23:48.54 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 23:49.20 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: thanks for the links :) |
| 23:49.33 | justin | how many temp file creation vulnerabilities have there been over the years that would have been avoided if ~/.tmp (or at least per user /tmp/) was used instead? |
| 23:49.35 | jelly-home | justin: I agree, but don't think this is one of the things it's stupid aboot |
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| 23:50.21 | jelly-home | justin: /var/run/servicename owned by the user service is running as isn't vulnerable to those |
| 23:50.41 | Rickasaurus | stew, well they need mono/bin in path |
| 23:50.50 | jelly-home | Debian doesn't do /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 23:50.52 | Rickasaurus | stew, so they can run a script that installs F# :) |
| 23:51.47 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: as those scripts are just fcgi apps (django) it might be safer to keeps it as simple as it can get - that is create $HOME/run ? |
| 23:51.53 | benji1232 | Hi, what would be the best place to define some environment variables ? |
| 23:51.57 | stew | Rickasaurus: what is "mono/bin"? a directory they create? |
| 23:52.32 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: hey, whatever works for you |
| 23:53.22 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: nope, this won't work. nginx is using www-data group :) there has to be some global dir :) |
| 23:53.29 | jelly-home | benji1232: /etc/environment? /msg dpkg environment; also, /msg dpkg locales |
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| 23:54.03 | aladds | which module do i need to load for parallel port access? |
| 23:54.18 | jelly-home | aladds: parport-pc |
| 23:54.25 | benji1232 | jelly-home, what if I don't have root privileges and just want to defined user env vars ? |
| 23:54.56 | benji1232 | jelly-home, I'd say ~/.profile but I need someone to confirm |
| 23:55.02 | aladds | jelly-home, Do I need to do anything special to get a device made for it? Nothing seems to have happened... |
| 23:55.02 | Rickasaurus | stew, yeah it's made by the mono install process |
| 23:55.05 | jelly-home | benji1232: whatever your shell uses for that, check its manual for its rc files |
| 23:55.15 | stew | Rickasaurus: you can see the insanity of "i'll let you run anything you put in this directory as root", right? |
| 23:55.28 | benji1232 | jelly-home, isn't there 1 file that would be sourced for sure by any shell ? |
| 23:55.44 | jelly-home | aladds: /dev/lp0 or similar will get created when the module is loaded |
| 23:55.49 | Rickasaurus | stew, yeah, you're right. I just wish there was a good solution. |
| 23:56.02 | Rickasaurus | stew, I'm trying to drive windows guys over to linux for cheap build servers |
| 23:56.08 | jelly-home | benji1232: no. |
| 23:56.16 | stew | (or "i'll let you run this as root with an LD_PRELOAD env variable of your choosing") |
| 23:56.22 | benji1232 | jelly-home, ok, thanks |
| 23:56.38 | aladds | jelly-home, there's no /dev/lp* |
| 23:56.46 | aladds | that's my concern |
| 23:56.48 | aladds | :S |
| 23:56.54 | stew | Rickasaurus: why don't you give them mono packages of whatever version they need? |
| 23:56.54 | aladds | It's a thinkpad, if that help |
| 23:56.56 | jelly-home | aladds: even after modprobing that module? |
| 23:56.59 | aladds | helps |
| 23:57.02 | aladds | yup |
| 23:57.17 | jelly-home | aladds: do you, in fact, have a parallel port on that machine? |
| 23:57.22 | aladds | indeed i do |
| 23:57.26 | aladds | it's a thinkpad x30 |
| 23:57.32 | Rickasaurus | stew, I've never made a mono package before. |
| 23:57.39 | Rickasaurus | stew, I mean a debian package |
| 23:57.41 | jelly-home | aladds: is it enabled in bios? |
| 23:57.44 | aladds | with a big, purple, parallel port on the back |
| 23:57.46 | aladds | indeed |
| 23:57.59 | aladds | irq 7, 0x378 IIRC |
| 23:58.19 | Rickasaurus | stew, it seems there's a lot to it, and it could break things by messing with the existing package |
| 23:58.25 | jelly-home | aladds: please pastebin your dmesg or /var/log/kern.log. Which debian release are you using? |
| 23:58.30 | aladds | stable |
| 23:58.33 | aladds | er, lenny |
| 23:59.30 | aladds | there is a parport message in dmesg |
| 23:59.38 | jelly-home | aladds: oh... also modprobe lp after parport-pc |
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